[12:00] <|junit|> is there a way ubuntu can automatically recover grub?
[12:00] <thenuke> with simple commands you should able to install it again
[12:00] <randabis> best way would probably be to use a livecd and chroot
[12:00] <pauldaoust> Khan: well, maybe, if you feel like it, you could mark down any dangerous-sounding messages on a piece of paper... that is, if the keyboard isn't locked at that point too.
[12:00] <sladen> hello kandinski
[12:00] <thenuke> if you are able to get to run the grub that is
[12:01] <pauldaoust> Ribs: so the general consensus is that you folks use inches for length, but kilos for weight?
[12:01] <|junit|> I have a Gentoo LiveCD
[12:01] <|junit|> will that work
[12:01] <Ribs> pauldaoust: Depends who you talk to
[12:01] <Ribs> the older generation use pounds and onces for weight
[12:01] <pauldaoust> Ribs: :) so it's a bit half-and-half then
[12:01] <lonewolff> in britain we tend to use metric measurmeants , except older people
[12:01] <Ribs> yes
[12:01] <Ribs> for distance, we use miles
[12:02] <Ribs> so you know
[12:02] <CarlK> junit - you should use a nick that doesn't require shit
[12:02] <pauldaoust> Ribs: so if it's meant for 40-something businesspeople, I could be safe using metres and kilos?
[12:02] <bascule> lonewolff: except miles, we still like those :)
[12:02] <Ribs> and I think that's purely 'cos changing all the road signs would be a pain in the ass.
[12:02] <sladen> |junit|: fire up the livecd, drop to a console (Alt-F2), mount your main partition, chroot into it and run install-grub
[12:02] <pauldaoust> Ribs: heh
[12:02] <junit> ok
[12:02] <junit> that better
[12:02] <CarlK> junit - thanks.  gentoo cd will work
[12:02] <lonewolff> yeah except miles, which is odd really if u think about it
[12:02] <CarlK> but... do you get a grub promt when you boot?
[12:02] <junit> No
[12:02] <Ribs> pauldaoust: I guess, yeah
[12:02] <junit> it just goes to error 22
[12:02] <pauldaoust> Ribs: let me tell you, it's exhilarating being allowed to drive 100... just seeing that number on a road sign makes you feel fast, even if it's just 60 mi :)
[12:03] <pauldaoust> Ribs: well, thanks for all your help; I really appreciate it.
[12:03] <junit> i think Hoary screwed it up
[12:03] <CarlK> junit - so no "press escape" or anything ?
[12:03] <Ribs> pauldaoust: Given you're canadian, and use metric more than we do, you'll probabily be okay
[12:03] <junit> negative
[12:03] <pauldaoust> koo
[12:03] <Ribs> they'll be more understanding
[12:03] <pauldaoust> (ironically, we still use a lot of imperial measurements too :) )
[12:03] <pauldaoust> Khan: how ya doing?
[12:03] <CarlK> junit - then gentoo cd
[12:03] <junit> I don't know where to start with the Gentoo CD
[12:04] <Khan> Sorry man I had a phone call.
[12:04] <pauldaoust> Khan: no prob :)
[12:04] <sladen> junit: do you have the Ubuntu install CD?  You can get a shell from that
[12:04] <CarlK> junit - gentoo cd is basicaly a Live cd with the things you need to install gentoo
[12:04] <junit> yes, I have a gentoo install cd
[12:04] <junit> i mean ubuntu
[12:04] <junit> =/
[12:05] <neiras> junit, is Ubuntu the only os on your hard drive?
[12:05] <Khan> pauldaoust: Ok so I should try that and write down anything that looks important?
[12:05] <junit> 2 ubuntu's
[12:05] <neiras> which partition contains the installation you want to boot into?
[12:05] <pauldaoust> CarlK: did anyone answer you about that aplay -l thingy?
[12:05] <CarlK> junit - you shrould really get either DSL or Knoppix (depending on your connection speed)
[12:05] <junit> after i installed hoary, i think it messed something up
[12:05] <CarlK> pauldaoust - nope
[12:05] <pauldaoust> Khan: yeah, try that out... see if you can find anything
[12:05] <junit> How Do I get to the shell from the ubuntu cd?
[12:05] <Khan> Alright. Will do right now :)
[12:06] <Khan> Thanks
[12:06] <neiras> junit, put the Ubuntu install disc in, then type linux root=/dev/hda1
[12:06] <pauldaoust> junit: it should be near the bottom of the installation menu.
[12:06] <neiras> at the prompt
[12:06] <neiras> or listen to pauldaoust
[12:06] <pauldaoust> Khan: I'm wondering if your card supports multiple streams? I don't have one of those myself, but maybe that's what it looks like :)
[12:06] <pauldaoust> not Khan
[12:06] <krism> KHAAAAN
[12:06] <pauldaoust> I meant CarlK
[12:06] <krism> erm. sorry
[12:06] <junit> Crud, I'm not sure what partition it is on, ill try 1
[12:06] <pauldaoust> ha ha
[12:06] <Khan> ... :P
[12:07] <junit> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown block
[12:07] <neiras> ok
[12:07] <neiras> wrong partition
[12:07] <pauldaoust> CarlK: so yeah, when I said to Khan that their card supports multiple streams, I meant to say it to you :)
[12:07] <junit> hmm
[12:07] <CarlK> pauldaoust - got it
[12:07] <junit> ill keep going down the list
[12:07] <pauldaoust> coo
[12:08] <sladen> junit: if you're getting that error, it means that grub is fine, but it's being passed the wrong  root=/dev/XXXX
[12:08] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, I have to get back to work. Khan, if you do find any messages, I'm sure someone would be able to help you out. Good luck!
[12:08] <junit> hmm
[12:08] <kandinski> sladen, hey!
[12:08] <kandinski> how is Seven Sisters?
[12:08] <neiras> sladen - he's trying to boot into a system using the install cd, not getting that error after grub
[12:08] <mz2> how come in OOo Calc in hoary things get moved out of my way when I paste stuff
[12:09] <sladen> kandinski: hello again
[12:09] <haggai> mz2: it's a bug and will be fixed in the next upload
[12:09] <haggai> mz2: you can work around it by using paste special
[12:09] <sladen> kandinski: not sure.  I'm currently in Edinburgh, then going ->Paris->Brussels->Frankfurt->Dublin :)
[12:10] <kandinski> oooh
[12:10] <kandinski> lotsa work!
[12:10] <junit> um...
[12:10] <junit> Something is up
[12:10] <neiras> junit, got it going?
[12:10] <kandinski> I might do the Madrid->Duisburg->Passau->Paris->Madrid->London->Hamburg->Madrid soon too
[12:10] <ShadeofGrey> holy crap guys! i tried to install the amd64 version of ubuntu and ended up almost losing my whole system! it autoset the grub bootloader to only include ubuntu and screwed the rest of my masterbootrecord
[12:10] <krism> OMGF
[12:11] <ShadeofGrey> thank god for my spare copy of Fedora Core 3
[12:11] <junit> I looked in the partitioner, and it said it was partition 2, but it still kernel panics
[12:11] <krism> *cough*
[12:11] <junit> it says please appened a correct root= boot option
[12:11] <mz2> haggai, actually it's kind of useful :)
[12:11] <neiras> junit: Hmm
[12:11] <mz2> don't take it away from me :))
[12:11] <ShadeofGrey> and after the ubuntu install it wouldnt boot at all
[12:11] <ShadeofGrey> it kept getting stuck at the hot something manager
[12:12] <ShadeofGrey> i dont understand tho... i douwnloaded the liveCD first and it ran fine!
[12:12] <ShadeofGrey> what gives?
[12:12] <junit> I don't know what to do
[12:12] <ShadeofGrey> jesus that was scary
[12:12] <randabis> livecd != install cd by any means
[12:12] <haggai> mz2: heh, well it can be annoying too, and confuses everyone who knows OOo from other platforms
[12:13] <haggai> mz2: you can do that by using paste special anyway
[12:13] <mz2> ShadeofGrey, do you have any exotic stuff plugged in your computer that might be brought up by hotplug?
[12:13] <randabis> you should also try the amd64 hoary install cds...I hear they work better than the old warty one
[12:13] <junit> =(
[12:13] <ShadeofGrey> randabis: Well... isnt it logical to assume that if the LiveCD boots fine with no errors that the regular install will be based on at least the same BASIC components?
[12:13] <CarlK> junit - how many physical drives do you have?
[12:13] <mz2> haggai, i'm just going to lock my openoffice packages and keep this version for ever and ever :)
[12:14] <krism> ShadeofGrey : hear of backups?
[12:14] <haggai> mz2: hehe ok then :)
[12:14] <ShadeofGrey> mz2: none i can think of
[12:14] <junit> I have 2
[12:14] <junit> 1*
[12:14] <mz2> haggai, how can i actually do that with paste special? i would've actually needed to do that a few days ago
[12:14] <CarlK> junit - ide or scsi?
[12:14] <haggai> mz2: something about shift cells down I think (OOo isn't loaded atm)
[12:14] <junit> ide
[12:15] <ShadeofGrey> krism: sure! but the winner of the arstechnica distribution of the year award shouldnt require backups period
[12:15] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, the livecd you used could have been for i386
[12:15] <INRSboy> can i use rpm on ubuntu ?
[12:15] <AndyR> xdmcp is now working here :)
[12:15] <ShadeofGrey> randabis: okay. i can accept that
[12:15] <krism> ShadeofGrey : wow! my car is so safe, i shouldn't have to wear my seatbelt@!
[12:15] <tritium> INRSboy, should be installed
[12:15] <mz2> haggai, oh right... there it is. this is something new to 1.1.3 isn't it?
[12:15] <krism> see the flaw in your logic yet? shit happens sometimes.
[12:15] <CarlK> junit - using /dev/hda1 terms, where do you want grub, where is the kernel and where shoudl / be mounted?
[12:15] <mz2> or have i just been a bit blind
[12:16] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, again, I recommend the newer hoary cds and not the warty ones for amd64
[12:16] <INRSboy> tritium: and if it' s installed
[12:16] <ShadeofGrey> randabis: where do i get the hoary CD's?
[12:16] <junit> CarlK- I am confused about what you are askin =/
[12:16] <haggai> mz2: I don't think it is new, but I never really needed it so I wouldn't have noticed
[12:16] <tritium> INRSboy, yes, you can use it.  I personally wouldn't, but you can.
[12:16] <mz2> ok
[12:16] <randabis> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/
[12:16] <junit> my root partition is on /dev/hda2
[12:17] <INRSboy> tritium: ok then if no .deb exist ?
[12:17] <Octane> can someone please help me? for the second time, im trying to apt-uget upgrade all my packages and dpkg returns a parse error
[12:17] <Pluk> INRSboy, you can use alien to convert rpm to .deb
[12:17] <junit> Should I make a grub boot floppy?
[12:17] <Octane> talking about update-mime
[12:17] <junit> because i have another ubuntu computer in the house
[12:17] <ShadeofGrey> im hesitant to even bother with ubuntu if the default settings for the bootloader totally disregard all other drives and installations WITHOUT ASKING ANY QUESTIONS OR OFFERING INTERACTION BEFORE MAKING CRITICAL CHANGES TO THE MBR
[12:17] <INRSboy> ok
[12:18] <junit> would that be the easiest way
[12:18] <tritium> INRSboy, what software?
[12:18] <CarlK> junit - it might help
[12:18] <INRSboy> tritium, kile
[12:18] <ShadeofGrey> thats a SERIOUS oversight
[12:18] <junit> ok...
[12:18] <tritium> INRSboy, that's in universe in Hoary
[12:18] <Pluk> if i were grub i would ignore the windows partition too :D
[12:18] <ShadeofGrey> randabis: which array should i get?
[12:19] <Octane> anyone have any idea before i scrap ubuntu all together
[12:19] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, that's not the case
[12:19] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, the latest 4...or you could see if anything newer is in current...array 4 should be good though
[12:19] <INRSboy> tritium, i'm newbie on deb so i can i do that ?
[12:19] <SiRrUs> Octane whats your problem
[12:19] <tritium> INRSboy, are you using Warty or Hoary?
[12:19] <Octane> i try to upgrade all my packages from apt-get and dpkg returns a parse error
[12:19] <INRSboy> tritium, warty
[12:19] <Octane> off a fresh install
[12:20] <Pluk> kile is in universe
[12:20] <robtaylor> Octane: have you modified your apt.sources?
[12:20] <Octane> no i havent touched them
[12:20] <tritium> Pluk, yes
[12:20] <INRSboy> ok pluk
[12:20] <tritium> But in Hoary
[12:20] <Pluk> ah thats possible
[12:20] <ShadeofGrey> tritium: what do you mean that s not the case... thats EXACTLY what happened
[12:20] <robtaylor> Octane: can you post the exact error at pastebin.ca, please?
[12:20] <Octane> hmmm
[12:21] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, in your particular case, perhaps.  Not in general, however.
[12:21] <ShadeofGrey> tritium: what do you mean not in general? i followed the exact directions on the download site and was given no reason to believe id have problems
[12:22] <ShadeofGrey> i ran the liveCD first as well
[12:22] <randabis> the ubuntu installer normally detects other linux and windows installs and automatically adds entries for them in grub
[12:22] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, I mean, that doesn't happen for nearly everyone else that has installed it.
[12:22] <ShadeofGrey> randabis: have any idea why it wouldnt in my case?
[12:22] <ShadeofGrey> is it because i downloaded the warty version?
[12:22] <randabis> no
[12:22] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, you know that Hoary is not a stable release yet?
[12:23] <randabis> hoary isn't stable, but I've heard it works better on amd64 than warty
[12:23] <ShadeofGrey> tritium: what difference does it make? the stable version wouldnt even finish the install after first reboot
[12:23] <ShadeofGrey> what i REALLY dont understand is why it would just STOP
[12:24] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, just a warning, so you don't get upset if something doesn't work quite as expected.
[12:24] <mz2> i really like that recovery thing in OOo2
[12:24] <ShadeofGrey> tritium: ill be impressed if it actually installs... ill give the distro one more chance
[12:24] <ShadeofGrey> after that, its back to Fedora
[12:25] <junit> i got my boot floppy
[12:25] <mz2> it's such a lot nicer than the yes/no you get in OOo1.x. i've lost numerous documents because of accidentally pressing no when i was supposed to say yes :)
[12:25] <Octane> robtaylor, ready?
[12:25] <robtaylor> ShadeofGrey: if it doesnt work, please log a bug before, hey? ;)
[12:25] <ShadeofGrey> this is an excellent example of why linux just plain doesnt have the balls to take REAL maeketshare from winblows
[12:25] <robtaylor> OC_Linux: yep
[12:25] <binks> how do i find out what ver of x86i have so i can d.l the ati drivers
[12:26] <junit> Can anyone help me repair my MBR using my boot floppy?
[12:26] <Octane> robtaylor can i pm you with URL
[12:26] <CarlK> junit - back to the 3 things you need to tell grub- first, do you want grub to be on hda? (normal)
[12:26] <junit> yes
[12:26] <robtaylor> Octane: here's fine
[12:26] <randabis> binks, just use synaptic
[12:26] <ShadeofGrey> robtaylor: you bet i will. are you a developer?
[12:26] <binks> how will it tell me
[12:26] <CarlK> junit - what hdXY is the kernel file on?
[12:26] <randabis> it has the ati drivers already...just waiting for you to install
[12:26] <junit> hda2
[12:27] <CarlK> junit - and the / partition?
[12:27] <robtaylor> ShadeofGrey: good. no not really, well kindof - i'm a gnome maintainer for debian
[12:27] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, amd64 is among the newer architectures, and Hoary is not yet stable.
[12:27] <voda> how can i download in the shell?
[12:27] <junit> I am not sure, default place I guess
[12:27] <blah09> ack i didnt know 2.6.11 was out, im building a 2.6.10 now =(
[12:27] <voda> is tehre a command for it?
[12:27] <randabis> 2.6.11 isn't stable yet I thought
[12:28] <robtaylor> Octane: eeek
[12:28] <binks> no but the warty drivers have problems
[12:28] <binks> out of date
[12:28] <Octane> robtaylor that doesnt sound good :)
[12:28] <voda> is there a command in the shell like: download http://get.bitlbee.org/src/bitlbee-0.91.tar.gz or is there an other way?
[12:28] <randabis> wget http://get.bitlbee.org/src/bitlbee-0.91.tar.gz
[12:29] <binks> are the hoary fglrx drivers uptodate
[12:29] <mz2> binks, yes they are
[12:29] <randabis> binks, yes, hoary has the latest of almost everything
[12:29] <tritium> I'l wait until linux-image-686 depends on it
[12:29] <robtaylor> Octane: try doing an apt-get update
[12:29] <junit> CarlK - are you still here?
[12:29] <randabis> yeah 2.6.11 is only available in prepatch form
[12:29] <Octane> robtaylor i did, of course
[12:30] <randabis> it is not a stable kernel build yet
[12:30] <mz2> it was a rather interesting effect what you get when you run fglrx drivers built for X.org on XFree 4.3 :)
[12:30] <mz2> it actually sort of works
[12:30] <robtaylor> Octane: is apt-get update exiting with an error?
[12:30] <INRSboy> can we use lilo instead of grub ?
[12:30] <blah09> randabis: its already on the ubuntu repositories
[12:30] <randabis> yes, but lilo is clunky imho
[12:31] <Octane> robtaylor no, just when i try to upgrade all the packages does it
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> INRSboy: if it aint broke, don't fix it
[12:31] <robtaylor> Octane: try apt-get updateing again
[12:31] <tritium> mz2, incidentally, I had some problems with oo.org2 reading word .docs with tables
[12:31] <randabis> blah09, I know, but that doesn't mean anything...it's just experimental right now
[12:31] <blah09> yep
[12:31] <INRSboy> thank's to all bye
[12:31] <tritium> blah09, yes, but linux-image-686 doesn't depend on it yet because of what randabis is saying
[12:31] <randabis> the linux-image packages are still 2.6.10
[12:31] <blah09> oh
[12:32] <robtaylor> Octane: that should regenerate that file
[12:32] <blah09> but linux-source is .11
[12:32] <junit> hell ya, i got it working =D
[12:32] <tritium> sure, the source is available, if the image is
[12:32] <randabis> because linux-source is only meant to provide the source of the latest kernel
[12:32] <robtaylor> Octane: sorry i'm wrong.. hang on i'll just look a bit deeper
[12:32] <blah09> ah
[12:33] <randabis> linux-headers are what you use to build modules, etc
[12:33] <junit> now i know how to fix an F'ed up MBR
[12:33] <junit> =D
[12:33] <Octane> robtaylor i tried doing it twice though
[12:34] <blah09> i never understood the difference between source and headers
[12:34] <Octane> thank you
[12:34] <randabis> blah09, I just told you
[12:34] <blah09> is that it?
[12:34] <randabis> headers are for building modules, source is for building new kernels
[12:34] <blah09> headers for modules, source for whole kernel?
[12:34] <blah09> ah
[12:34] <ShadeofGrey> okay wait let me make sure i do this right this time. the ubuntu install iso's are singular right? there are only single install discs correct?
[12:34] <robtaylor> Octane: dpkg --clear-avail
[12:35] <randabis> yes, only one cd
[12:35] <khinester> hello
[12:35] <robtaylor> then try an upgrade again
[12:35] <randabis> maybe you should try the amd64 live cd first though and make sure that works okay
[12:35] <tritium> I agree
[12:35] <Octane> upadte then upgrade?
[12:35] <ShadeofGrey> also - i saw online that its supposed to ask you what kind of install you want and if you want to connect to the internet to download updates? mine didnt do any of that
[12:35] <khinester> hi do i display the size of the hard disk in Kb rather then blocks
[12:35] <khinester> i have done du -k, but this did not work
[12:36] <blah09> but you can build modules with the full source right>
[12:36] <blah09> ?
[12:36] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, it only does that if an internet connection is detected
[12:36] <ShadeofGrey> i THINK i DID try the 64 bit version of the liveCD hang on ill look
[12:36] <dud> du -h
[12:36] <robtaylor> Octane: might as well.
[12:36] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, doubtful...warty only have i386 livecds
[12:36] <ShadeofGrey> it WAS detected - it connected through dhcp successfully and told me so
[12:36] <mz2> tritium, well yeah, there's a lot of that around... it's not really usable. it's just quite impressive to look at every once in a while :)
[12:36] <Octane> now i cant get a lock on the list though
[12:36] <tritium> mz2, yeah, it is
[12:37] <robtaylor> Octane: is an apt-get/dpkg still running?
[12:37] <mz2> you can get it to crash for example by inserting pictures :)
[12:37] <ShadeofGrey> you guys have to understand -- i know nothing of linux. zilch
[12:37] <Octane> yah sorry had it in another terminal sorry dumb me
[12:37] <robtaylor> Octane: have you been kill -9ing things? ;)
[12:37] <robtaylor> ah ok :)
[12:38] <ShadeofGrey> thats part of the reason im apprehensive about trying to learn it -- because the learning curve is so damn steep
[12:38] <randabis> I don't think it is that steep...especially since everything linux is so well documented
[12:38] <dud> ShadeofGrey, its better to start learning linux/unix by getting a shell account first
[12:38] <Octane> okay i changed from security.ubuntu to archive.ubuntu, robtaylor
[12:39] <ShadeofGrey> but at this point i feel like i have to because im a writer who just sold a 3 book deal and i want a system more secure from invasion so i dont lose my manuscripts to hackers and lose my lifes dream
[12:39] <dud> then you wont have the ability to fuck up things, and you can just get to know the cli a bit....
[12:39] <robtaylor> ShadeofGrey: its not that hard really.. start with gnome ;)
[12:39] <randabis> that's one thing we have over windows, our documentation owns microsoft's
[12:39] <binks> if i change the warty bits of sources.list will i just update packages i warty or will it upgrade to hoary
[12:39] <ShadeofGrey> you own the licensing of microsoft documentation?
[12:39] <sontek> Hey, I'm looking at installing ubuntu. But I have a "WinModem" does the Linux kernel have support for dialup modems in it now?
[12:39] <robtaylor> ShadeofGrey: a guy at my work who'se avoided linux for every had to start using it for a project.. he seems to be gtting on pretty well.
[12:39] <khinester> how do you setup WebDAV on ubuntu
[12:40] <randabis> binks, if you change sources.list and then run apt-get dist-upgrade, you will upgrade to hoary
[12:40] <robtaylor> Octane: is it working now?
[12:40] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, I mean ours is better by leaps and bounds
[12:40] <binks> i only want the latest fglrx driver
[12:40] <ShadeofGrey> robtaylor: well..,. i tried to start using fedora core 3 -- i cant believe how slow it boots
[12:40] <mjr> sontek, for winmodems, it depends; see http://linmodems.org/ for more info
[12:40] <robtaylor> ShadeofGrey: thats one place where ubuntu is a lot faster ;)
[12:40] <Octane> robtaylor: it was always working, it was just failing after it extracted the packages and was about to install
[12:41] <ShadeofGrey> randabis: ah.. the OTHER type of own
[12:41] <randabis> binks, you can't safely mix hoary and warty stuff..you have to do a complete upgrade
[12:41] <Octane> im trying again.. this time using archive.ubuntu.com, not security.ubuntu.com
[12:41] <robtaylor> Octane: so, after doing dpkg --clear-avail
[12:41] <sontek> mjr: I was looking there but they didn't have much info on what chipsets were in the kernel
[12:41] <robtaylor> does apt-get upgrade start working?
[12:41] <Octane> robtaylor i'll only know in 1.5 hours when it finishes upgrading
[12:41] <robtaylor> its not to do with your apt.sources
[12:41] <mjr> sontek, ah well. I don't have any first-hand info.
[12:41] <binks> will tr in morning cant be arsed now
[12:41] <randabis> gentoo boots the fastest for me :p
[12:41] <robtaylor> Octane: ah
[12:42] <Octane> should use security or archive though
[12:42] <Octane> ?
[12:42] <robtaylor> Octane: stop your upgrade
[12:42] <Octane> okay
[12:42] <Octane> stopped
[12:42] <robtaylor> Octane: then just do something like apt-get install grub
[12:43] <Octane> newest version, can you think of something else? im drawing a blank
[12:43] <mz2> is xcompmgr or the composite-enabled metacity somewhere as an ubuntu/debian binary?
[12:43] <robtaylor> Octane: hm, , thinking...
[12:43] <Octane> vi?
[12:44] <robtaylor> Octane: try it. ialso lsof
[12:45] <Octane> sorry for beating a dead horse, but should i use archive or security in my sources.list
[12:45] <MobyTurbo> Octane, you need both
[12:46] <Octane> well vim worked
[12:46] <Octane> nice
[12:46] <robtaylor> Octane: cool
[12:46] <robtaylor> so i'd expect the full upgrade shouls work
[12:46] <robtaylor> look like somehow your availiable packages list got corrupted..
[12:47] <Octane> yah
[12:47] <binks> what was that upgrade to hoary cmd again
[12:47] <Octane> well thanks so much
[12:47] <robtaylor> i couln't hazard a guess at how, tho ;)
[12:47] <Octane> i really apperciate you helping me troubleshoot
[12:47] <coreyh> anybody having troubles with their AC97 showing up as two dsp devices?
[12:47] <robtaylor> Octane: np ;)
[12:47] <nburns> what's the stability of hoary looking like?
[12:47] <kandinski> bye all
[12:47] <kandinski> bye rob
[12:47] <robtaylor> bye kandinski
[12:47] <robtaylor> !
[12:48] <blah09> randabis, so why ditch gentoo for ubuntu?
[12:49] <randabis> I didn't
[12:49] <randabis> pretty much the other way around
[12:49] <blah09> oh youre running gentoo now?
[12:49] <randabis> yes, but ubuntu hoary is still on a couple of systems
[12:49] <randabis> and hoary is still on my hard drive on this computer...dual boot works
[12:49] <tritium> randabis, you're not going to ditch completely, are you?
[12:50] <randabis> tritium, no way, it works too good on my laptop, and works well on my sister's box
[12:50] <tritium> glad to hear it :)
[12:50] <randabis> gentoo would be a nightmare on the laptop
[12:50] <randabis> compiling a base system on a 450 mhz pentium 3 is not something I would look forward to
[12:50] <tritium> yeah
[12:50] <blah09> lol
[12:51] <blah09> you could do a stage 3
[12:51] <ShadeofGrey> can i ask some important questyions about ubuntu?
[12:51] <randabis> stage 3...bah what's the point...hehe
[12:51] <randabis> plus, wireless is not going to work out of the box...I'd have to get ndiswrapper, etc
[12:51] <randabis> just like I had to do with ubuntu
[12:51] <blah09> emerge? but then you might as well be using debian =)
[12:52] <ShadeofGrey> okay - heres my big question... since ubuntu is debian, and the mac os is based on debian, is it possible to download the osx interface and install it?
[12:52] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, go ahead
[12:52] <blah09> mac os isnt debian
[12:52] <krism> gah. forgot i was on irc already
[12:52] <Pluk> mac os debian?
[12:52] <Pluk> no man
[12:52] <farruinn> ShadeofGrey: what have you been smoking?
[12:52] <blah09> mac os ist based on nextstep
[12:52] <randabis> uh...mas osx is based on freeBSD
[12:52] <Pluk> based on BSD
[12:52] <joda> Grey: macOS is based on BSD
[12:52] <ShadeofGrey> really?
[12:52] <krism> holy shit
[12:52] <Pluk> lol
[12:52] <Pluk> echo!
[12:52] <krism> rofl chris
[12:52] <krism> +t
[12:53] <ShadeofGrey> okay - fine... but its still a linux kernel right?
[12:53] <tritium> no
[12:53] <Pluk>  :)
[12:53] <MobyTurbo> ShadeofGrey, Mac OSX uses a modified Mach kernel
[12:53] <ShadeofGrey> why not?
[12:53] <ShadeofGrey> then whats the darwin project for?
[12:53] <farruinn> ShadeofGrey: http://developer.apple.com/darwin/
[12:53] <ebone> I've left planet Ubuntu !
[12:53] <MobyTurbo> ShadeofGrey, because OS X is a decendant of NeXTStep
[12:53] <Parallax> puff you sholdn 't say that in here ShadeofGrey
[12:53] <Parallax> jeje
[12:53] <ebone> and am now exploring the Universe !
[12:54] <Pluk> i just love 86% pure chocolate
[12:54] <MobyTurbo> ShadeofGrey, the kernel is open source, but is not Linux.
[12:54] <ShadeofGrey> okay fine.. let me revise my question
[12:54] <krism> ShadeofGrey no, you can't.
[12:54] <ShadeofGrey> is there any way to make ubuntu mimic the mac interface?
[12:55] <blah09> gnome looks mac-y
[12:55] <krism> see? i have precognition!
[12:55] <blah09> out of the box already
[12:55] <Pluk> :D
[12:55] <blah09> but no quartz
[12:55] <Pluk> just install a mac theme
[12:55] <joda> Grey:  not really, no
[12:55] <MobyTurbo> ShadeofGrey, ubuntu is sort of somewhere between Mac OS and Windows in interface, with a bit of Linuxy multiple desktops and the like thrown in.
[12:55] <MobyTurbo> ShadeofGrey, Ubuntu uses GNOME 2
[12:56] <Pluk> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548 here is a macosx theme
[12:56] <ShadeofGrey> ive seen pictures on kde-look.org of linux desktops that have a dock that looks just like the mac on fedora, FreeBSD, and... I think debian as well
[12:56] <MobyTurbo> ShadeofGrey, both KDE and GNOME have Mac-like themes.
[12:56] <blah09> if you run ubuntu youll probably want gnome-look.org
[12:56] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, SuperKaramba and gDesklets are what make those mac-like docks
[12:57] <ebone> hey guys ...
[12:57] <Pluk> hi
[12:57] <randabis> yes?
[12:57] <ebone> anybody got mono running with apache2 on Ubuntu ?
[12:57] <ShadeofGrey> okay
[12:58] <ebone> specifically, the apache mod_mono way ?
[12:58] <ShadeofGrey> so i have to install superkaramba and gdesklets to get my machine to look like that?
[12:58] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, either/or
[12:58] <randabis> you don't need both, but super karamba is for kde, gdesklets is for gnome
[12:58] <MobyTurbo> ShadeofGrey, under Ubuntu you probably want gdesklets
[12:59] <ShadeofGrey> okay
[12:59] <randabis> though technically you CAN use super karamba in gnome, and gdesklets in kde
[12:59] <randabis> I've done it for kicks before
[12:59] <bascule> supercpu-muncher
[01:00] <farruinn> the gdesklet thing really isn't much like OS X dock in terms of functionality though
[01:00] <randabis> ShadeofGrey, just keep in mind that using an AMD64 build limits you in software that you can use
[01:00] <nburns> does hoary still have a lot of bugs, or is it looking pretty stable now?
[01:00] <randabis> farruinn, agreed
[01:00] <ebone> Mono anybody ?
[01:00] <Pluk> guess not ebone
[01:00] <randabis> no mono here...I was vaccinated
[01:00] <Pluk> lol
[01:00] <ebone> :)
[01:01] <MobyTurbo> ebone, I've run "blam!", a mono app, under Ubuntu. That's about the limit of my mono expertise for now.
[01:02] <ShadeofGrey> why?
[01:02] <ShadeofGrey> you mean totell me the 64bit version of ubuntu can ONLY RUN 64 bit software?
[01:03] <ShadeofGrey> thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard
[01:03] <nburns> anyone using hoary?
[01:03] <SiRrUs> yep
[01:03] <farruinn> nburns: since it's not release time yet, I'd say, yes, there are still bugs
[01:03] <MobyTurbo> ShadeofGrey, that's a problem with all Linux distros
[01:03] <robtaylor> ShadeofGrey: no distro really does it right yet
[01:03] <robtaylor> ShadeofGrey: shared libraries get very very complicated
[01:04] <ShadeofGrey> then why the hell am i downloading it then... forget it
[01:04] <robtaylor> ShadeofGrey: the solution is debian multiarch , but you'll have to wait for that
[01:04] <nburns> farruinn - ok.. i started using warty prior to the release date and didn't have any stability problems.. i didn't know if it was looking the same for hoary
[01:04] <ShadeofGrey> so okay. i guessill download the x86 version
[01:06] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: FWIW, I had stability problems with the 32-bit version on 64-bit proc
[01:07] <robtaylor> does anyone actually knwo what amd64 universe is missing?
[01:07] <Parallax> I have AMD64 and i need 32 bit apps so i had to install back a 32 bit hoary instead of 64
[01:07] <hawke> robtaylor: wine :-)
[01:07] <Parallax> for exmaple
[01:07] <robtaylor> obviously multiverse is probably messing..
[01:08] <robtaylor> hawke: you use that? ;)
[01:08] <hawke> robtaylor: Yeah...only way I can play The Game of Life. :-)
[01:09] <robtaylor> Parallax: can you remember what yours were?
[01:09] <Parallax> 3
[01:09] <Parallax> array-3
[01:09] <Parallax> wine and something else that I really needed
[01:10] <hawke> robtaylor: Is there any site that documents why stuff hasn't "moved into" universe from Debian?  (It's automated, right?)
[01:10] <Parallax> I think I ll wait till hoary-stable and then switch to 64
[01:10] <ludi> why does ubuntu's gnome come with firefox instead of epiphany
[01:10] <hawke> robtaylor: Similar to packages.qa.debian.org
[01:10] <Parallax> firefox rules
[01:10] <robtaylor> hawke: good q. i dont know.. try asking in #ubuntu-devel
[01:11] <ludi> I was thinking of switching from Debian to Ubuntu, but then I read on their website that they ship gnome with the firefox browser :(
[01:11] <ludi> why not just use the native gnome browser--epiphany?
[01:11] <hawke> ludi: Not hard to switch...
[01:11] <robtaylor> ludi: just as in debian, you can still choose ;)
[01:11] <tritium> ludi, so install epiphany
[01:11] <randabis> ludi, epiphany is easy to install
[01:11] <hawke> lol
[01:11] <ludi> yes yes
[01:11] <hawke> echo
[01:11] <ludi> but
[01:12] <ludi> it's a question of why ubuntu would make the decision to have default of firefox
[01:12] <hawke> bbl
[01:12] <robtaylor> ludi: they all suck IMHO ;)
[01:12] <Zotnix> ludi, because firefox is awesome.
[01:12] <ludi> I don't prefer firefox to epiphany
[01:12] <thundrcleeze> so you can install epiphany.
[01:12] <farruinn> so don't use it
[01:12] <robtaylor> i prefer galeon, so go figure
[01:13] <tritium> ludi, you're not prevented from using epiphany, nor are you forced to use firefox
[01:13] <Zotnix> ludi, so... they should not install the default as firefox because you don't them to?
[01:13] <thundrcleeze> and you can install galeon, robt
[01:13] <robtaylor> thundrcleeze: and i do, and i do ;)
[01:13] <ludi> Zotnix: No.
[01:13] <tritium> ludi, they probably chose it as default because so many people are familiar with it, including Windows users who may switch to ubuntu
[01:13] <thundrcleeze> It's not like it's integrated into everything like IE, ludi
[01:14] <ludi> tritium: I don't like that reason, if indeed that is the reason
[01:14] <mz2> ** (Tomboy:15570): WARNING **: Missing method DestGetTargetList in assembly /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe typeref index 103
[01:14] <mz2> what might that mean?
[01:14] <tritium> ludi, you're free do dislike whatever you want
[01:14] <mz2> what am i missing?
[01:14] <randabis> ludi, just because you don't like mustard on your corn dog doesn't mean everyone should have to use ketchup instead
[01:14] <ludi> well, ubuntu is supposed to be a gnome distribution.....yet they don't ship it with epiphany which is the default browser for the gnome project.
[01:15] <tritium> ludi, just like I can dislike debian since it's default browser isn't NCSA Mosaic
[01:15] <robtaylor> right. its bedtime for me!
[01:15] <ludi> but NCSA Mosaic isn't the gnome browser...epiphany is.
[01:15] <farruinn> ludi: ask canonical then, we don't make ubuntu, we just use it
[01:15] <sladen> ludi: there was a thread on ubuntu-devel called:  "Epiphany vs. Firefox (Duck!)"  about this.  Just ask yourself which browser has mindshare
[01:15] <thundrcleeze> ludi, just because it's a gnome distro doesn't mean it has to follow gnome exactly.
[01:16] <tritium> ludi, it doesn't matter.  I can dislike it for that reason.
[01:16] <Zotnix> ludi, it comes with many apps that aren't default in gnome.
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> ludi: because epiphany is not up to the standard which ubuntu wanted and as such firefox was included
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> abiword is the gnome word processor
[01:16] <ludi> HrdwrBoB: not up to the standard?  How so?
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> and gnumeric is the gnome spreadsheet
[01:16] <thundrcleeze> and abiword is available.
[01:16] <tritium> and gpdf is the PDF viewer
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> however ubuntu comes with openoffice
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> and 'comes'
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> meaning it's in the standard install
[01:16] <thundrcleeze> and all of those are available if you want to use them.
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> thundrcleeze: precisely
[01:16] <MobyTurbo> abiword and gnumeric aren't even in universe, they are in the regular repository.
[01:17] <farruinn> ludi: perhaps the thread on ubuntu-devel would answer your question more fully
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> yes, they'r ein main
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> they're
[01:17] <ludi> HrdwrBoB: epiphany not up to the standard?  How so?
[01:17] <sladen> tritium: gpdf is unfortunately majorly buggy in its font-handling
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> ludi: I an not 100% on the reasons
[01:17] <tritium> sladen, yes, for sure
[01:17] <ludi> well, that's what I'm asking about.
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> I personally don't like epiphany so I'll not comment
[01:17] <farruinn> xpdf is fine though
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> given my inherent bias
[01:18] <tritium> xpdf is pretty good
[01:18] <sladen> ludi: again, Openoffice has mindshare
[01:18] <mz2> ludi, but you're not really making sense, why not just install epiphany? it's not like you can't get it from the ubuntu repository? i think it's a marvellous idea that ubuntu installs one app for rougly one purpose as a default, and firefox is really not a bad choice if a choice has to be made
[01:19] <ludi> mz2: why was firefox chosen over epiphany.  what part of that question makes no sense?
[01:19] <randabis> ask the devs
[01:19] <randabis> there is a thread about ff vs epiphany on the mailing list
[01:19] <tritium> ludi, what a trivial issue...
[01:20] <MobyTurbo> ludi, make your own distro then that defaults to epiphany and offers firefox as a download rather than the other way around.
[01:20] <randabis> again just because you like ketchup doesn't mean we can't use mustard
[01:21] <randabis> you eat what's on your plate or don't eat at all
[01:21] <randabis> lolz
[01:21] <mz2> ludi, it's not like ubuntu is the only distro that has made that choice... it does make sense, it's just something that is something that literally tenfolds of people are more comfortable with and know better (and let's face it, it's not that bad a bad browser either :)
[01:22] <mz2> oh cool, hoary comes with f-spot
[01:22] <sladen> ludi: you've ask the question several times.  You've had answers several times.  Please read:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-January/thread.html#3371
[01:23] <Zotnix> Besides, 25 million users can't be entirely wrong ;)
[01:23] <tritium> I don't imagine there are > 25 million epiphany users
[01:23] <tritium> Zotnix, :)
[01:23] <Zotnix> tritium, hehe.
[01:24] <mebaran151> yo
[01:24] <mz2> Zotnix, well that may be just a bit controversial :)
[01:24] <CarlK> what does it take to fax from warty?
[01:24] <ebag> where can i read up on apt and sources?  i'd like to figure out what apps are available in the universe etc, but haven't been able to find a list.
[01:25] <tritium> CarlK, not sure, but did you apt-cache search fax?
[01:25] <CarlK> I started teh fax setup wiz, and got stuck on the "enter command line" step
[01:26] <sladen> CarlK: dunno.  It may involve 'hylafax
[01:26] <CarlK> tritium - no, but given that one of the ToDo's for hoary is "fax support" I don't think it is just a matter of apt
[01:26] <farruinn> ebag: just browse with synaptic?
[01:27] <ebag> farruinn: neat.
[01:27] <tritium> CarlK, well, fax software is available that will work.
[01:29] <CarlK> tritium - yeah, but I am more interested in spenidn time getting my sound working than faxing ;)
[01:30] <Okys> hi there im tryng to boot the live cd on my toshiba satelite pro 4600... it hangs on the x-server black mesh screen
[01:30] <tritium> CarlK, yeah, me too
[01:30] <Okys> i want to load it on, if the live wont work is there any point?
[01:32] <deshantm> I am getting a lot of processes that look like:  sendmail: MSP: ./j1FBH2AK030474 [127.0.0.1] : user does anyone know what they are?
[01:34] <Okys> ..
[01:34] <Okys> now trying knoppix
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[01:36] <Okys> why would knoppic boot and ubuntu not, its the old knoppic cd at that?
[01:37] <randabis> Okys, try the newest hoary live cd
[01:37] <Okys> ok ill have a look, cheers
[01:38] <Okys> i can only get warty
[01:39] <farruinn> Okys: see the link in /topic
[01:40] <Okys> ohh right
[01:44] <macewan> someone say my name, need to test a plugin
[01:44] <jesuel> macewan
[01:44] <macewan> shit
[01:44] <macewan> thanks
[01:44] <farruinn> lol
[01:45] <farruinn> I guess it didn't work
[01:45] <macewan> nope
[01:45] <macewan> f'ing with monkeychicken
[01:49] <ShadeofGrey> eob: still there?
[01:49] <ShadeofGrey> robtaylor: still there?
[01:50] <ShadeofGrey> okay guys i opted to download the x86 iso installer CD
[01:50] <ShadeofGrey> because as it turns out, i downloaded the 32 bit version of teh LiveCD and that worjed just fine
[01:51] <randabis> told you :p
[01:51] <Khan> Hmmm I have a problem. I havnt been able to get Ubuntu to start up because during the process of loading everything it stops at "* Starting hotplug subsystem... " and never goes any farther and I cant do anything. I have tried a couple different things and I am lost.
[01:51] <ShadeofGrey> randabis: im just REALLY worried about the bootloader probs i had using the warty 64bit
[01:52] <randabis> Khan, file a bug
[01:52] <minimec> Khan: Hi. Do you have any usb hardware plugged?
[01:52] <Khan> Only my printer.
[01:52] <ShadeofGrey> it didnt ask for details of what i wanted in the bootloader, took windows out of the list entirely, and even rendered my wijndows 98 boot disk inoperable
[01:52] <ShadeofGrey> TOTALLY
[01:52] <Airforcepunk04> hello
[01:53] <Khan> I tried unplugging my printer and booting up but that didnt work.
[01:53] <minimec> Khan: so try to start without the printer first. the we will see.
[01:53] <Airforcepunk04> are the free cd's that i ordered going to be live cd's(runs on cdrom)
[01:54] <Khan> minimec: I tried unplugging my printer and booting up but that didnt work. Infact I tried unplugging everything accept my monitor just to see if that owuld work and it didnt. :P
[01:54] <Airforcepunk04> is anyone going to help me
[01:54] <farruinn> Airforcepunk04: for x86 and amd64 you'll get both, ppc just install
[01:54] <minimec> Khan: ok. you did a normal ubuntu install, didn't you?
[01:54] <Khan> minimec: Correct didnt change any settings.
[01:55] <randabis> file a bug
[01:55] <Khan> minimec: I tried searching the forums for a solution and it appears it is a common problem. But none of the ideas there worked.
[01:55] <minimec> Ok. Do you have any Live Disk around to start a system?
[01:55] <Khan> minimec: That I do not.
[01:55] <Khan> I will randabis. Just wanted to see if I could find a solution first.
[01:56] <Airforcepunk04> HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE BEFORE THEY ARRIVE AT MY HOUSE
[01:56] <randabis> a million years
[01:56] <randabis> Khan, indeed, the devs might be able to help you though also
[01:57] <Airforcepunk04> so how long before they arrive
[01:57] <Airforcepunk04> ?????
[01:57] <thundrcleeze> What's they?
[01:57] <minimec> Khan: Hmm.. Try to boot in recovery-mode (I'm not sure if I used the right term) and don't start the hotplug system
[01:57] <randabis> how long ago did you order?
[01:57] <mebaran151> Anyone know how to make the i950 work on AMD64
[01:57] <Airforcepunk04> 2-15-2005
[01:57] <mebaran151> the gimp print driver works
[01:57] <mebaran151> but everything is like 100 times too small
[01:57] <randabis> Airforcepunk04, a month or more
[01:57] <Airforcepunk04> why that long
[01:57] <mebaran151> it is sort of like an S800
[01:58] <randabis> because you get what you pay for
[01:58] <Khan> minimec: Actually I tried booting in recovery-mode and it hung on the same problem.
[01:58] <Khan> So I dunno.
[01:58] <Airforcepunk04> there live cd's right?
[01:58] <Xirdneh> hi there, anybody has a problem when a windows driver is trying to initialize a device but it cant :S????
[01:58] <randabis> you should get livecds and regular install cds
[01:59] <randabis> Xirdneh, I don't use windows
[01:59] <minimec> Khan: I didn't do that for myself :-) . But isn't there the possibility to start one deamon after the other by choice?
[01:59] <Airforcepunk04> can i resale them when i upgrade to a new version
[01:59] <thundrcleeze> Why would you sell something that was given to you for free?
[02:00] <Khan> minimec: Hmm Maybe Lemme check it out.
[02:00] <Khan> I will be back shortly.
[02:00] <Airforcepunk04> if they come out with a version that is almost required
[02:00] <minimec> Khan: So do I. HAve to smoke ...
[02:00] <randabis> Airforcepunk04, uh...no?
[02:00] <randabis> you don't have to sell the old ones to get new ones...
[02:01] <Airforcepunk04> do i have to activate them
[02:01] <randabis> no
[02:01] <randabis> this isn't windows
[02:01] <thundrcleeze> Free.  Everything's free.
[02:01] <randabis> we don't believe in activation around here
[02:01] <Airforcepunk04> whats the requirements to use them
[02:01] <Airforcepunk04> install version and live
[02:01] <randabis> a computer
[02:02] <ebone> hey guys ...
[02:02] <Airforcepunk04> ram?? etc...
[02:02] <randabis> ubuntulinux.org should have that info
[02:02] <thundrcleeze> It should be listed on the site where you ordered
[02:02] <ebone> any Ubuntu Mumbo Warriors here ?
[02:02] <randabis> wtf is that?
[02:02] <ebone> i'm just being silly ...
[02:02] <randabis> ah
[02:02] <ebone> silly willy ...
[02:03] <ebone> seriously, can I add some debian sources to my sources.list file ?
[02:03] <thundrcleeze> yes, but you shouldn't.
[02:03] <randabis> ebone, yes, but BE CAREFUL
[02:03] <thundrcleeze> unless you know what you're doing.
[02:03] <Airforcepunk04> does it come with intructions
[02:03] <ebone> thundrcleeze: i wouldn't say that !
[02:03] <randabis> only one I can think of that would be semi useful is christian marillat's
[02:04] <ebone> there are just a few things that I can't find in universe ...
[02:04] <randabis> such as?
[02:04] <ebone> but they are available on my debian box.
[02:04] <ebone> apache2-dev , e.g.
[02:04] <randabis> you might want to try multiverse too
[02:04] <Airforcepunk04> how to operate it install live etc??
[02:04] <ebone> and also libapache-mod-mono
[02:04] <thundrcleeze> Airforcepunk04, the install cd are fairly easy to install.
[02:04] <ebone> ohh .... cool, what's that ?
[02:04] <thundrcleeze> Airforcepunk04, the live cd all you have to do is put it in your computer and start it up.
[02:05] <randabis> another ubuntu repo
[02:05] <randabis> just add multiverse to the universe lines
[02:05] <Airforcepunk04> thanks for your time bye..
[02:05] <randabis> I don't think it will have that stuff you want though
[02:05] <ebone> worth a try i guess.
[02:06] <randabis> if you do add debian repos, make sure they have the lowest priority possible
[02:06] <randabis> you you don't break the whole system with an apt-get upgrade, etc
[02:06] <randabis> so
[02:08] <ebone> randabis: good idea ...
[02:08] <ebone> actually, that multiverse has a couple of things i was looking for.
[02:09] <ebone> would you build from source or try renegade debian packages ?
[02:09] <ebone> prolly should stop being lazy and just build from source ...   :)
[02:10] <CarlK> I am fleshing out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:10] <randabis> source might be a good idea
[02:10] <randabis> make sure you have build-essential
[02:10] <CarlK> after one figures out what chipset they have (lspci or lspnp) where should one look to figure out what moduels need to be loaded?
[02:11] <rel> hello, I just installed hoary amd64. some issues. oe annoying: when I want to run synaptic it prompts me for root password. but fails to lauch the app. saying password is wrong. altough, doing this with gtksuexec worjs. anyone a clue?
[02:11] <CarlK> ack... i skipped a step... what is replacing alsaconfig ?
[02:12] <minimec> rel: are you sure that you use the right keymap in your Desktop envirment?
[02:13] <Gotcha> Looking for someone who has Aspire 1350
[02:13] <randabis> rel, try your user password
[02:13] <randabis> you shouldn't have a root password
[02:13] <rel> minimec, well not totally sure. have selected dutch lang. and want to get rid of it soon. My root password doesnt contain any charaters, only letters
[02:13] <mebaran151> anyone know a good place to start learning python
[02:14] <mebaran151> just a good way to start
[02:14] <mebaran151> I already got vim down
[02:14] <mebaran151> heheh
[02:14] <farruinn> mebaran151: did you ask last night?
[02:14] <minimec> rel: well I'm new to ubuntu, but you have to use your user password typing 'sudo synaptic'
[02:15] <farruinn> isn't 'gksudo synaptic' a better idea?
[02:15] <mebaran151> I never got the response
[02:15] <mebaran151> my internet sort of died on me
[02:15] <mebaran151> I did ask though
[02:15] <farruinn> oh, I see
[02:16] <farruinn> there are some links from the python website
[02:16] <[Spooky] > hello folks !
[02:16] <rel> randabis, when using my users password it dialogs me "child terminated with status 1"
[02:16] <randabis> hi
[02:16] <randabis> rel something isn't right then
[02:17] <rel> randabis, I know that :)
[02:17] <rel> does the default install put users to sudoers?
[02:17] <[Spooky] > randabis: hows it going ?
[02:18] <randabis> rel, yes, it puts the user you created in sudoers
[02:18] <farruinn> rel: only the first user though
[02:18] <randabis> but not users you create after the install
[02:18] <randabis> [Spooky] , just fine
[02:18] <rel> randabis, this is the second installation of hoary. on an other machine I had exactly the same issue. maybe somthing wrong in hoary
[02:19] <[Spooky] > randabis: cool :)
[02:19] <rel> randabis, I am not in sudoers. maybe the install forgets about this
[02:19] <minimec> rel: the problem could be, that your choice of keymap during the installation isn't the same in your X-desktop. I had that problem using the us keymap for xfree and CH_de in Gnome :-)
[02:19] <[Spooky] > im curius about the firewall "firestarter" anyone good in using it ?
[02:20] <randabis> strange, I used the hoary install cd and never had a problem with not being a sudoer
[02:20] <[Spooky] > its like a b*tch to have on and at the same time use bittorrent hehe
[02:20] <rel> minimec, oh, well. if I type my password in a shell it comes out right.
[02:21] <minimec> rel: Ok.
[02:22] <[Spooky] > isnt there something like ip* something a file to alter and have as a firewall ?
[02:22] <farruinn> [Spooky] : you have the port bittorrent uses open?
[02:22] <minimec> rel: how about 'sudo apt-get ...' in a console. Does that work. (Well normally it should not...)
[02:22] <[Spooky] > farruinn: mm but later on its like 50 ips on diffrent udp ports thats been blocked...
[02:23] <rel> minimec, I doesnt.. rel not in sudoers file
[02:24] <rel> minimec, how does your line in /etc/sudoers look like?
[02:24] <minimec> rel: I have to check that.
[02:26] <minimec> rel: quiet simple: minimec ALL=(ALL) ALL
[02:27] <bumperland> how do you listen to streaming audio such as shoutcast
[02:27] <kent> bumperland, well, with my ears..  ;)
[02:28] <bumperland> lol
[02:28] <[Spooky] > bumperland: try xmms
[02:28] <rel> minimec, that did the trick. now it doesnt prompt me with a password dialog at all
[02:28] <rel> kinda scary though
[02:29] <farruinn> rel: it asked you at least once though, right?
[02:29] <minimec> rel: I figured that out too. Sometimes it does, sometimes not. So we are happy then :-)
[02:29] <rel> farruinn, after visudo not once
[02:30] <rel> minimec, almost happy :)
[02:30] <farruinn> it will timeout
[02:30] <farruinn> or if you open a new terminal
[02:30] <bumperland> i have xmms but i can't make it the default
[02:30] <minimec> rel: with 'sudo -s' you have a root terminal. sometimes very cool...
[02:30] <kapputu> hi all
[02:30] <kapputu> where do I get hoary?
[02:31] <farruinn> rel: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more sudo happiness
[02:32] <rel> minimec, ah :) its cool. but its dangerous. I guess I'll define the apps to sudo.
[02:32] <rel> farruinn, oke..  sneaking at it
[02:33] <minimec> rel: I see the problem. As a Debian User I wasn't really used to the 'sudo-thing'. some kind of strange, but you get used to it...
[02:35] <kapputu> any help?
[02:35] <[Spooky] > kapputu: with ?
[02:36] <minimec> kapputu: www.ubuntulinux.org ?
[02:36] <kapputu> downloading hoary
[02:36] <kapputu> well first I need to know why hoary is better than warty
[02:37] <kapputu> I have been using ubuntu for quite sometime now though I have not been keeping up with the developments in the community
[02:37] <rel> kapputu, its not better, its newer
[02:37] <minimec> kapputu: go into your /etc/apt/sources file and change 'warty' to 'hoary'. that's it :-=
[02:37] <rel> minimec, I even did tat with debian woody
[02:37] <kapputu> hmm
[02:37] <rel> it updates quite well
[02:37] <minimec> rel: srage to sid :-)
[02:38] <rel> woody to hoary
[02:38] <kapputu> but there must be something better so that they released a newer version
[02:38] <minimec> rel: cool :-) Did that work, without problem?
[02:38] <rel> kapputu, it contains gnome 2.10
[02:39] <rel> minimec, not with dramatic problems. just some package conflicts
[02:39] <rel> minimec, the box still runs apache2
[02:39] <rel> I use it as a intranet server..
[02:39] <kapputu> ok then why is gnome 3.10 better?
[02:39] <rel> not 3.10
[02:39] <kapputu> oops 2.10
[02:40] <rel> kapputu, loads of bugfixes
[02:40] <minimec> rel: well why not. It's the same familiy :-) I use the debian bootsplash packages and the debian mplayer sourcec. Works good. :-)
[02:40] <rel> and very stable for me
[02:41] <kapputu> hmm
[02:41] <kapputu> any good distro with KDE?
[02:41] <minimec> rel: I'm testing ubuntu on my laptop. No problem until now.
[02:41] <nomasteryoda> kapputu, suse
[02:41] <|QuaD-> kapputu: ubuntu :)
[02:41] <nomasteryoda> lol
[02:41] <kapputu> lol
[02:41] <minimec> kapputu: Suse
[02:42] <kapputu> expected that
[02:42] <|QuaD-> why not use kde on ubuntu?
[02:42] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[02:42] <Riddell> kapputu: it's easy https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[02:42] <|QuaD-> kapputu: apt-get install kde :)
[02:42] <nomasteryoda> when you want a distro to install on a system that has dialup only, suse beats ubuntu.. no downloads
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> but i like ubuntu for it's simplicity
[02:43] <kapputu> hmm ok which is better?
[02:43] <[Spooky] > man in firefox you had to type like ::about to get a list off options what is it i should type ?
[02:43] <kapputu> I have been using gnome
[02:43] <kapputu> but I seem to like KDE too
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> kapputu, kde has a great many options
[02:43] <kapputu> will probably install it on my desktop
[02:43] <kapputu> I want to use KDevelop
[02:44] <minimec> kapputu: stay with gnome. You will be the 'winner' in the future. Im quiet sure.
[02:44] <kapputu> I believe it has support for ftp support
[02:44] <dakam> Hey i have a problem i just installed Ubuntu yesterday
[02:44] <nomasteryoda> minimec, yea according to ESR
[02:44] <kapputu> minimec: I sure do want to keep using gnome on atleast one machine
[02:44] <dakam> What is the Directory for a CDROM Drive?
[02:44] <kapputu> dakam: /media/cdrom
[02:45] <minimec> well I need another cigarette. Will be back...
[02:45] <dakam> thanks i thought it was /media or /cdrom lol
[02:45] <kapputu> ok one more question
[02:45] <kapputu> is there a good sound recorder which can record sound from line-in
[02:45] <kapputu> I'm forced to use Windows only for this reason
[02:45] <LinuxJones> kapputu, audacity
[02:46] <dakam> Ok It didnt work my CD Player that Came with Ubuntu... I changed it to /media/cdrom (I screwed up the first time)
[02:46] <dakam> It says CD PLayer Device: then a Text box
[02:46] <dakam> im sorry if im a noob lol
[02:47] <kapputu> nope dakam: we are happy that you are trying out Ubuntu
[02:47] <rel> is it normal that  "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates" is unavailable?
[02:47] <dakam> well im not trying im freeing myself of Windows :)
[02:47] <kapputu> good
[02:47] <kapputu> I did too
[02:47] <Riddell> rel: since hoary hasn't been released there are no updates
[02:48] <rel> Riddell, makes sence :)
[02:48] <kapputu> any good themes for Ubuntu or gnome in general
[02:48] <kapputu> I want to add some spice
[02:48] <dakam> But how do i fix this... Its the Default CD Player that came wit Ubuntu
[02:49] <skel_home> anyone running ubuntu on an ibook g3 ?
[02:49] <skel_home> having suspend issues
[02:49] <rel> Riddell, found out that hoary by default doesnt support mp3 playback. not in rhyhembox or totem
[02:49] <skel_home> rel: xmms?
[02:49] <rel> skel_home, nah.. like rhythembox
[02:50] <dakam> Warty wont Stream with Rhythembox, but maybe thats my CPU
[02:50] <skel_home> rel: thats weird though
[02:50] <rel> guess I need to use multiverse
[02:50] <rel> whatever that means
[02:50] <LinuxJones> kapputu, gnome-look.org
[02:50] <minimec> rel: that means that you have access to some packages with 'licence'-problems...
[02:51] <rel> skel_home, I find that too. the previous install of hoary mp3 was working normally
[02:51] <rel> minimec, thaught of that. I'll change universe to multiverse and see
[02:52] <minimec> rel: you have to have them both I think.
[02:52] <rel> ok
[02:52] <minimec> rel: if you install xmms, you should be able to use mp3 on totem. Well it works on my machine.
[02:53] <dakam> i tried /media/cdrom in CD player as the Device but it wont work..
[02:53] <[Spooky] > hm http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#unrar dosent work...
[02:54] <rel> minimec, I was using restricted only. This probably means "tested packages" only?
[02:55] <minimec> dakam: try /media/cdrom0. 'cdrom' is just a link to the first cdrom drive.
[02:55] <dakam> ok
[02:55] <minimec> rel: Good question. :-)
[02:56] <LinuxJones> dakam, what is the output for ls -al /dev/cdrom ?
[02:56] <dakam> Not sure but im trying something
[02:56] <skel_home> so no one running on an ibook?
[02:56] <minimec> skel_home: not me :-(
[02:57] <rel> minimec, gstreamer should support mp3 playback. must be.
[02:57] <dakam> Im not sure about the /dev thing
[02:57] <minimec> rel: Hmmm. Let me check that.
[02:58] <kbrooks> What package can I install to get all the manual pages?
[02:59] <dakam> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[02:59] <dakam>        or too many mounted file systems
[02:59] <dakam> one CD ROM and one Floppy
[03:01] <rel> minimec, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=hoary%20mp3
[03:01] <dakam> there we go
[03:01] <dakam> Fixed it
[03:01] <dakam> /dev/cdrom
[03:01] <dakam> thanks for the help
[03:02] <rel> minimec, gstreamer-mad provides this
[03:02] <minimec> rel: rythembox is not playing mp3!
[03:02] <simonw> does anyone know how to get an external FireWire hard drive working under Ubuntu?
[03:03] <simonw> I can't find it documented anywhere
[03:05] <rel> minimec, now it does :)
[03:05] <minimec> rel: :-)
[03:05] <rel> minimec, just install he mad plugin. no need for xmms
[03:06] <minimec> rel: I like xmms. I like the small gxmms applet for my panel.
[03:09] <rel> simonw, guess your drive needs the right usb/firewire drivers/modules enabled. try compiling a custom kernel and check out menuconfig
[03:10] <rel> minimec, yea. its all about choice
[03:10] <kbrooks> What package can I install to get all the manual pages??
[03:11] <simonw> rel: I just did some modprobe stuff and got the thing to show using rescan-scsi-bus.sh
[03:13] <simonw> I can see the drive, but the permissions are screwed up - I can't cd in to it
[03:13] <simonw> aah - sudo modprobe sbp2
[03:13] <simonw> wrong paste - I think I'm OK now
[03:14] <minimec> rel: well a lot of choices in linux... :-)
[03:17] <minimec> rel: by the way... one day, I don't even remeber why, I started to use irssi as chat client. It was a choice, and I don't see any reason to change. :-)
[03:18] <farruinn> kbrooks: you want *all* the manual pages?
[03:19] <kbrooks> farruinn, man pges, yes
[03:19] <aurax> does hoary can be installed to harddrive?
[03:19] <farruinn> when you install a package it comes with the related man pages
[03:19] <minimec> aurax: why not?
[03:19] <aurax> hoary is better then warty?
[03:20] <rel> minimec, my choice also. its a kick ass clinet :)
[03:20] <thundrcleeze> hoary is the next version.
[03:20] <aurax> minimec, oh i had the hoary livecd
[03:20] <aurax> from gnoppix
[03:20] <minimec> aurax: wouldn't go so far...
[03:20] <aurax> so its basiclly the same
[03:20] <aurax> a bit faster maybe?
[03:20] <thundrcleeze> um...
[03:21] <aurax> whats array ?
[03:21] <aurax> like rc?
[03:21] <minimec> aurax: Yes. The 2.6.10 or ...11 kernel is quiet faster I guess. (I'm using warty)
[03:22] <aurax> im on warty atm...
[03:22] <neom> Anyone else find my blog really slow to load? http://blog.neom.ca/
[03:22] <aurax> is it worth installing hoary
[03:22] <aurax> its ok neom
[03:22] <ImagistTD>  I finally got my install to work. But I accidentally set the graphics to a higher screen size (1024 by 800) than I actually have (1024 by 768). Now it won't let me access the graphical user interface. How do I reset the graphics to the correct values from the text console version?
[03:22] <minimec> aurax: I would say, no ! Not yet.
[03:23] <minimec> aurax: never change a running system...
[03:23] <aurax> just installed it
[03:23] <aurax> im testing few linux dist's
[03:23] <aurax> for my comapny...
[03:23] <farruinn> ImagistTD: modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file
[03:23] <aurax> what is hoary-current ?
[03:23] <aurax> its the array-4 ?
[03:24] <rel> ImagistTD,  ` dpg-reconfigutre xfree-xorg ` maybe
[03:24] <minimec> aurax: so it seems to be quiet stable, but there are some problems with depedencies, I think.
[03:24] <aurax> ic
[03:25] <minimec> rel: my words!
[03:25] <smx> I need a little help with some basics   any takers?
[03:25] <minimec> smoking again...
[03:25] <thenuke> smx: depends. we are not reading your mind you know
[03:25] <ImagistTD> farruin/rel, how do I do that?  I'm new to linux and completely lost in the GUI.
[03:25] <jesuel> mmm drunk computing ....mmm
[03:25] <smx> okay nuke
[03:26] <ImagistTD> I can sign in, but I don't know what commands do what.
[03:26] <thenuke> smx: so Never Ever ask if someone is willing to help you or know answers to your questions which you have not even asked yet ;-D   go ahead now ;)
[03:26] <smx> First ... In Slackware, you've got "pkgtool" ... is there is an evuivalent config program for ubuntu (I know about apt)
[03:27] <thenuke> apt-get yes, apt is kind of frontend for dpkg
[03:27] <jesuel> there is also synapic
[03:27] <jesuel> err synaptic
[03:27] <smx> What I want is to configure stuff like the default wm
[03:27] <smx> services etc
[03:28] <smx> without having to hand-edit all the etc files
[03:28] <thenuke> jesuel: yup, synaptic uses apt or dpkg or something :9
[03:29] <smx> I think synaptic uses all of those programs
[03:29] <smx> But .. how do I configure the system, once things are installed?
[03:29] <jesuel> ive always just edited the config files
[03:29] <minimec> smx: synaptic is in fact just a GUI for apt.
[03:30] <thenuke> smx: umm, by editing the configs :) ?
[03:30] <smx> lol   most dists have tools that make it a haor quicker
[03:30] <smx> a hair quicker     a hair
[03:30] <thenuke> when I have used apt-get to install something, sometimes it have asked from me about some configs
[03:30] <thenuke> but very rarely
[03:30] <smx> me too'
[03:31] <smx> what is that program?
[03:31] <hawke> The level of questioning you get can be changed with 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf'
[03:31] <smx> it's an ncurses thing
[03:31] <thenuke> smx: what do you mean by that? doing that more quickly? how does slack for instance handle those then?
[03:31] <hawke> questioning -> prompting for config options
[03:31] <smx> slack's pkgtool has a simple ncurses interface
[03:31] <farruinn> smx: see hawke's answer
[03:32] <thenuke> and it forces you to config whatever configfiles there might be then?
[03:32] <smx> that lets you change basic configuration stuff
[03:32] <smx> it doesn't force you
[03:32] <smx> but it's quick
[03:32] <farruinn> smx: the ubuntu default is to be really really quick by asking you hardly anything =)
[03:32] <smx> updates env
[03:32] <jesuel> smx, basically what youre looking for is a centralized configuration tool, that uses a text mode interface?
[03:33] <smx> yupper
[03:33] <smx> that's it jesuel
[03:33] <thenuke> smx: sounds ok
[03:33] <hawke> On the same lines, I'm curious to find out how to change the system default window manager..
[03:33] <jesuel> as far as i know, one doesnt exist for ubuntu. Although you could always create one.
[03:33] <thenuke> smx: I have not yet tried slack
[03:33] <farruinn> hawke: for gnome?
[03:33] <smx> I used slack for years
[03:33] <minimec> smx: I used Slack and I loved it, but 'apt' is a smoking peace of software.
[03:33] <hawke> farruinn: Well, for gdm
[03:34] <smx> Yup -- apt is the best
[03:34] <smx> slapt-get suckes
[03:34] <hawke> farruinn: Desktop environment would be more appropriate, I guess
[03:34] <jesuel> slapt-get? lol
[03:34] <smx> for now ... I hear that they're working hard on it
[03:34] <smx> yea   slapt-get is an apt-like program for slackware
[03:35] <farruinn> hawke: when you log into one that's different it asks you if you want to make that default
[03:35] <hawke> farruinn: I have Gnome, KDE, XFCE4 installed ... Don't understand why it defaults to XFCE4...
[03:35] <hawke> farruinn: System default, not user default...
[03:35] <minimec> smx: to configure your software, you have webmin or other programs, or you edit the config file, as usual- :-)
[03:35] <rel> what i cannot figure is why when I select evolution-exchange for removal, apt wants to remove ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[03:36] <hawke> rel: Because ubuntu-desktop depends on evolution-exchange
[03:36] <farruinn> rel: removing a metapackage doesn't remove what depends on it
[03:36] <farruinn> so it's safe to remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:36] <smx> where is the list of files for potential installation kept by apt? var?
[03:37] <farruinn> smx: you can use apt-cache search [package] 
[03:37] <rel> hawke, applies to fetchmail and webcal too. So, it doesnt remove all the packages what ubuntu-desktop provides
[03:37] <hawke> smurfix: /var/lib/apt/lists
[03:37] <rel> farruinn, roger that
[03:37] <minimec> smx: hmm.. /var/cache/dpkg I think.
[03:37] <hawke> er, smx rather
[03:37] <smx> oh ... there it is!
[03:37] <smx> cool
[03:37] <OC_Linux> anyone running egoboo?
[03:39] <hawke> rel: No...but if you're tracking hoary, you might want to keep an eye on ubuntu-desktop's depends so you can install the new stuff that it adds as time goes on.
[03:43] <rel> hawke, in other words. with this metapackage removed I cannot upgrade its dependancies? And should apt-get it. Then it will reinstall the packages I just removed? Im dutch and my englisch isnt so good :/
[03:44] <BrianAnthony> how do I mount an external harddrive
[03:44] <smx> your english is better than my girlfriends'
[03:44] <hawke> rel: You can upgrade its dependencies.  But if it depends on a new package, the new package will not automatically be pulled in.
[03:44] <rel> BrianAnthony, like a local hdd in most cases.. when linux can speak to it that is
[03:45] <hawke> rel: if you watch the version number, and do 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' when it changes, you will get a list of other packages that it wants to pull in from dependencies, and then manually install those.
[03:45] <rel> hawke, oke.. understand it. guess apt will mention that to me if these new pkgs where added. Il manually apt them if needed
[03:45] <hawke> BrianAnthony: USB?
[03:46] <BrianAnthony> it auto detected
[03:46] <BrianAnthony> I was afraid it wouldn't pick up the fat file systen
[03:46] <rel> hawke, okay. ty
[03:46] <smx> here's one for ya: does it hurt anything to use, say, aptitude one time, then synaptic the next?
[03:47] <hawke> smx: nope.
[03:47] <rel> smx, they use the same database
[03:47] <smx> damn   debian folks are smart, aye?
[03:47] <rel> smx, it would hurt when using them at the same time
[03:47] <smx> apt is flat out the best program for linux I've ever used
[03:48] <smx> lol
[03:48] <rel> smx, tried portage?
[03:48] <smx> yuppers
[03:48] <smx> pain in the arse
[03:48] <rel> heh.. its evolving.
[03:48] <rel> nah
[03:48] <sladen> rel: ''didn't have the time ;-)''
[03:48] <smx> compared to apt?
[03:48] <rel> quite funny
[03:48] <hawke> rel: I have, but IMO apt is quite better.
[03:48] <rel> sladen, :)
[03:49] <smx> portage is better than apt?
[03:49] <smx> I installed gentoo once
[03:49] <rel> hawke, no doubt. second place is portage. they just need to provide a binary repository
[03:49] <smx> Took me four days
[03:49] <rel> smx, learn alot i guess?
[03:49] <pussfeller> portage is good especially if you have certian needs  for certain flags
[03:49] <smx> lol
[03:50] <smx> learned that I don't like gentoo
[03:50] <rel> pussfeller, true.. its very flexible
[03:50] <pussfeller> i like apt too now tho
[03:50] <socomm> apt is boring.
[03:50] <smx> the worst of all is YAST
[03:50] <socomm> Where's the fun in apt-getting everything?!
[03:50] <hawke> heh
[03:51] <sladen> socomm: you get to play with it quicker
[03:51] <socomm> Back in my days we build everything from source.
[03:51] <pussfeller> doesnt yast cost money
[03:51] <rel> socomm, it gives me the space to jerkoff
[03:51] <smx> "tar xjvf"
[03:51] <rel> pusling, want that opensourcd
[03:51] <socomm> None of that instant gratification for me. No thanks!
[03:51] <fsc> ...back in my days we had punch cards..and walked two miles in the snow uphill to school -both ways
[03:51] <smx> lol
[03:51] <socomm> And we loved it!
[03:52] <fsc> and we were grateful
[03:52] <smx> I really have compiled and installed KDE by hand
[03:52] <socomm> Now you got all these out of shape kids with their apt-get, and their pkg_add.
[03:52] <smx> needless to say, I had a lot of time on my hands
[03:52] <fsc> yeah, we all know that compiling code burns them calories
[03:53] <bascule> back in my day, black hats used to run in to the computer room and throm cokroaches into the rlay arrays, and enjoyed it
[03:53] <fsc> heh
[03:53] <hawke> bascule: lol
[03:53] <rel> one thing I've never understood is to compile/configure a custom kernel with apt.
[03:53] <mike998> thbis is strange
[03:53] <socomm> 'thbis' is strange!
[03:54] <mike998> indeed
[03:54] <mike998> you making fun of me and my dyslexic fingers?
[03:54] <jesuel> yes... :)
[03:55] <mike998> heh at the moment saying "this is strange" is about five minuites away from throwing this stupid wireless access point out the window
[03:55] <jesuel> haha ;p
[03:55] <mike_douglas> how can I get apt to think that a package is installed?
[03:55] <jesuel> dont forget the computer with it
[03:55] <mike998> ubuntu+wireless=trouble and problems
[03:55] <mike998> oh no not the computer... my laptop and me... we are..uh...
[03:55] <fsc> this comment is so bizarre and wrong -http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=65767&postcount=16
[03:55] <mike998> friends
[03:55] <jesuel> hahah
[03:55] <fsc> mike998, ndiswrapper?
[03:55] <bascule> linux/wireless/firmware /drivers/ dodgy patent laws == trouble
[03:55] <mike998> fsc yep
[03:56] <socomm> mike998: ubuntu=wirless+trouble?
[03:56] <jesuel> mike998, what kinda laptop?
[03:56] <fsc> mike998, did you upgrade to hoary?
[03:56] <socomm> s/wirless/wireless
[03:56] <mike998> dell inspiron 1150
[03:56] <jesuel> ahh
[03:56] <fsc> mike998, make sure you have the right ndiswrapper for your kernel
[03:56] <jesuel> im very partial to my amd64 laptop
[03:56] <mike998> fsc yep on hoary now.. it's the way that I got it to work
[03:56] <mike998> uh?
[03:56] <mike998> ummm
[03:56] <jesuel> but i dont have the guts to install linux on it
[03:57] <mike998> it's getting close to my installing XP back on this thing to get wireless running
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> get some guts man
[03:57] <jesuel> heh
[03:57] <fsc> mike998, i didn't upgrade my kernel in the initial horary upgrade and ndiswrapper got updated
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:57] <jesuel> i got 3 linux systems and one windows
[03:57] <fsc> mike998, i thought you said you got wireless working?
[03:57] <jesuel> not too bad so far
[03:57] <bascule> mike998: din't you dare, we'll come round
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> cool
[03:57] <mike998> lol
[03:57] <mike998> fsc: nope i /thought/ I had it working
[03:58] <mike998> it was coming up but I only got a hold of a wirless router today
[03:58] <jesuel> amd64 + ati radeon graphics card, + wireless ...uhm worried about linux with that combo
[03:58] <mike998> hang on a second... gotta play with my network settings to see if i can get this thing on my wired network
[03:58] <fsc> mike998, i had problems with ndiswrapper until i upgraded the kernel to match the current ndiswrapper in hoary
[04:02] <hawke> rel: Have you investigated the package 'kernel-package' for building a custom kernel?
[04:06] <BrianAnthony> does anyone know the package name for Xine?
[04:06] <smx> what is an ndiswrapper?
[04:06] <hawke> smx: A wrapper for an NDIS driver.
[04:06] <bretzel> xine, in the multiverse or / and universe repository
[04:06] <hawke> smx: NDIS is a standard network driver API.
[04:06] <smx> ohhhhh
[04:07] <hawke> smx: use by Windows.
[04:07] <smx> Yuppers. I get it.
[04:07] <sladen> smx: a 'glue' driver to use binary windows drivers for network devices not directly supported by Linux:  http://www.google.com/search?q=ndiswrapper
[04:07] <hawke> k
[04:07] <smx> <-- Not the sharpest tool in the shed
[04:08] <bretzel> I have a problem: no more menu in top main panel in Gnome ... hoecomes !???? Don;t feel like to rm Gnome/Gnome2 directory and re-start themes and other stuff!!!
[04:09] <bretzel> It is the second time it happens to me. Even on Warty. I huess it is gnome bug.
[04:09] <bascule> try adding it with a right-click add to panel
[04:09] <bretzel> huess:: read guess ...
[04:09] <cisei> BrianAnthony: libxine1 + xine-ui or totem-xine
[04:10] <cisei> apt-get install totem-xine will take care of everything
[04:10] <rel> hawke, about to..
[04:10] <bretzel> bascule: All i can have is the "standard" Main menu... it is no more the Ubuntu menu setup
[04:10] <hawke> rel: If you need help, I exist.
[04:11] <rel> hawke, thanks mate!
[04:11] <bascule> bretzel: O I see, no ides, sorry
[04:12] <inc> sup peeps
[04:12] <BrianAnthony> it says it's not found
[04:13] <hawke> rel: which is not to suggest that my existence is dependent on your need for assistance.
[04:13] <BrianAnthony> totem-xine that is
[04:13] <hawke> BrianAnthony: xine-ui
[04:13] <smx> Thanks for the help, guys. I plan on staying with ubuntu for awhile -- small problems here and there, but it rocks, don't it? Night ...
[04:13] <rel> hawke, that package wants gcc3.3, any chance that I can set gcc3.4 for the compilations
[04:13] <cisei> BrianAnthony: make sure you have the repositories as per Ubuntuguide
[04:13] <hawke> rel: Not sure, I think the kernel just uses whatever is 'gcc'
[04:13] <rel> hawke, we all exist because we depend on eatchother somehow
[04:14] <hawke> rel: This is true.
[04:16] <inc> so how's the stable version of hoary coming alone hehe
[04:16] <Ainvar> I am about to try it as I am typing this
[04:16] <Ainvar> doing a dist-upgrade to it now
[04:16] <Pluk> coming along very good :)
[04:17] <Ainvar> all I can say this is one of the best distros I have had the pleasure of trying out
[04:17] <Ainvar> very quick too
[04:18] <jeramey> Ainvar, i agree. i'm shocked to find a linux distro that a) works on my laptop and b) doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out :)
[04:18] <eskilo> GATES: We're responsible for the creation of the PC industry.
[04:19] <Ainvar> yup and it is not a bloated distro
[04:19] <rel> ahum
[04:19] <Ainvar> forgot what it was like to finda  linux distro still on one cd
[04:19] <eskilo> i was blown away by ubuntu when i installed it.
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> kinda does that to ya
[04:20] <Ainvar> never been a big fan of gnome but it isa ctually a nice desktop system the way ubuntu has it setup
[04:20] <eskilo> i think gnome is awesome.
[04:20] <Ainvar> it is growing on me
[04:20] <eskilo> please don't say you like kde. :)
[04:20] <eskilo> i'll gouge my eyes out.
[04:20] <Ainvar> I do
[04:20] <jeramey> yeah, i never figured gnome would be speedy, but it's come a long way since i last seriously used it (which, granted, was back in 2000 or so)
[04:20] <Ainvar> haha
[04:21] <Ainvar> only reason I like kde over gnoe I guess is the way the file browseer is
[04:21] <eskilo> i think there's a fundamentally different train of thought between kde likers and non-likers.
[04:21] <Ainvar> other than that I like gnoe for everything else
[04:21] <eskilo> it's like our brains work differently.
[04:21] <inc> i like fluxbox
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> eskilo, call the doctor  cause you're now blinde
[04:21] <Ainvar> you are correct sir!
[04:21] <eskilo> flux is the best
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> flux is good ...
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> i use kde mostly
[04:21] <eskilo> nomasteryoda:  i'm blind?
[04:21] <Ainvar> prolly does not help Ia m left handed
[04:21] <eskilo> kde is so ugly.
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:22] <eskilo> just my opinion.
[04:22] <inc> you can get nice themes for kde
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> nice ones for flux too
[04:22] <inc> get a pretty mac os x theme
[04:22] <inc> hehe
[04:22] <eskilo> even with themes.  it's "feel" and behavior feel so odd to me.  it's very windows-like i think.
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> damnsmall has good implementation
[04:22] <eskilo> its
[04:22] <jeramey> inc:  and then be sad you aren't actually using OS X ;)
[04:22] <dud> i really don't like kde either
[04:22] <inc> hhmm kde .. windows like?? no...
[04:22] <dud> its as eskilo says, something about the feel
[04:23] <Ainvar> prolly why I liked kde over gnome since I am windows user primarily
[04:23] <eskilo> fluxbox would be perfect if it had better gnome interoperability.
[04:23] <inc> well kde is made so that windows user can just use it with out much fuss
[04:23] <Ainvar> but all three laptops are running ubuntu right now
[04:23] <dud> and in my experience, kde is very prone to breakage
[04:23] <Riddell> inc: no it isn't
[04:23] <Ainvar> just my server and main rig is running windows
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> inc, i really despise windows
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> kde is so much better
[04:23] <inc> flux is da bomb and i like using gnome nad kde apps hehe
[04:23] <bascule> eskilo: XFCE$ is what you want hten, it is *the* best, I ysed gnome for a week, thought it was nice, started XFCE again today, and that is it :)
[04:24] <Ainvar> never really used flux
[04:24] <Ainvar> wait I dont think I ever used flux
[04:24] <dud> fluxbox is very excellent
[04:24] <inc> well i'm just saying isn't that what the makers of kde were going for... to windows users can switch
[04:24] <dud> but it could have better gnome support indeed
[04:24] <bascule> xfce4 wiukd be better than xfce$ I believe ... :P
[04:24] <Tzi> Hi =)
[04:24] <Ainvar> ohh and the unofficial ubuntu guide is very very nice
[04:24] <Ainvar> I rate  itu p there with the gentoo documeentation
[04:25] <Ainvar> ok my typing went downhill fast
[04:25] <inc> gentoo.. damn that coq
[04:25] <inc> cow
[04:25] <Riddell> inc: no
[04:25] <Tzi> I'm having problems with my Dell Inspiron 8600 laptop crashing while on battery.. it will crash within an hour, whether I begin on ac power or not.  Anyone have any idea what could be going on?
[04:25] <inc> riddell: what? lol
[04:26] <janc> Ainvar : i'll tell the gentoo documentation project manager
[04:26] <janc> will probably see him tomorrow  :)
[04:26] <Riddell> inc: KDE is not designed for windows users, it's designed to be the best desktop it can be (same as gnome et al)
[04:27] <bascule> isn't KDE just a mac clone?
[04:27] <bj_> hey people
[04:27] <Ainvar> janc, that would be cool
[04:27] <janc> don't know if he will be amused  ;)
[04:27] <Riddell> bascule: I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago
[04:27] <bj_> I cant sign in to a normal gnome session. metacity hangs
[04:28] <bj_> Is there a log somewhere to see whats going ojn
[04:28] <bascule> Riddell: OK :)
[04:28] <janc> and i'm not sure he will come to the anti-swpats demo today
[04:28] <inc> but i tell you what sit a windows user that never touched linux in front of kde or gnome and the poor windows user will some what feel drawn to the KDE
[04:29] <janc> inc : depends on how his system was set up
[04:29] <inc> i'm talking stock
[04:29] <bascule> I reckon win98/Me/2000 users will pick gnome XP eill pick KDE
[04:29] <janc> nobody is using stock windows :-P
[04:30] <inc> ok?
[04:30] <inc> hey as long as it's linux it's all good
[04:30] <bascule> just cause KDE is like a chick with too much make-up on, like XP
[04:30] <bascule> :P
[04:30] <Ainvar> hahaha
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[04:30] <Ainvar> I like that
[04:30] <skel_home> so is it safe to add debian apt sources to ubuntu?
[04:31] <bascule> :))
[04:31] <skel_home> like I would like eric3 (a python IDE ) but its not in warty
[04:31] <farruinn> skel_home: not usually
[04:31] <skel_home> I guess i can wait until hoary
[04:31] <farruinn> skel_home: if it's in hoary it would be better to add a deb-src line for hoary and 'apt-get source -b eric3'
[04:31] <inc> bascule: if you going that route the flux box is the striped down motorcycle
[04:32] <inc> that kicks butt
[04:32] <skel_home> farruinn: isn't it bad to mix the two releases? messes up deps?
[04:32] <ShadeofGrey> okay - this officially blows. i JUST downloaded the x86 version and every time i run it it HANGS right after asking me the user locale info. at least in the 64bit version the installer didnt crash
[04:32] <farruinn> skel_home: yes, but you are less likely to run into trouble by building the hoary source package on your warty box
[04:33] <goli> i am trying to mount a windows share using... mount -t smbfs -o username=goli,password=goli //server/folder mntpnt/....but it is complaining that wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //athena/data ...but this works from my debian m/c
[04:33] <ShadeofGrey> what program do i use to check the md5 signatures
[04:33] <janc> debian & ubuntu are also '2 releases'?
[04:33] <bascule> inc: yeah, and xfce is the balance yuou know you want ....
[04:33] <skel_home> farruinn: ok thanks. I'll try that
[04:33] <snowblink> ShadeofGrey: md5sum
[04:33] <inc> must have dockapps
[04:33] <farruinn> skel_home: the apt howto at www.debian.org/doc is pretty good
[04:33] <bascule> it does
[04:33] <eskilo> is sha1 really broken?
[04:34] <inc> xfce has the mouse right
[04:34] <bascule> I have rhythmbox as a little musical note right now
[04:34] <eskilo> inc yeah
[04:34] <bascule> inc: yeah thats it
[04:34] <eskilo> if i really felt like taking the effort to tweak fluxbox to get sessioning like in gnome and all of that, it would be the best.
[04:35] <eskilo> not worth it though really.  gnome is good stuff.
[04:35] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: Sounds like you might have the same stability problems that I did running x86 on x86-64.
[04:35] <bascule> eskilo: xfce have already done that for you
[04:35] <snowblink> goli: apt-get install smbfs
[04:35] <eskilo> eskilo:  xfce have made a version of fluxbox that is really good with gnome compatability?
[04:35] <inc> i judge distros on their logos
[04:35] <bascule> lol
[04:35] <eskilo> inc:   hah
[04:36] <bascule> eskilo: practically yes
[04:36] <inc> debian has a cool logo
[04:36] <goli> snowblink, thanks so much...doing now
[04:36] <calamari> hi
[04:37] <eskilo> bascule:  interesting.  when i last used it, it didn't seem to do anything better than gnome.
[04:37] <ramb0> is there some way to have color on the RC scripts?
[04:37] <ramb0> like on gentoo
[04:37] <bascule> I didn't say better, I said balance, I mean balance between bloat and functionality
[04:38] <bascule> fluxbox toooooo stripped for comfort, gnome, fat. xfce .... balanced
[04:38] <mike998_> still nothing on this wirless access point
[04:39] <inc> fluxbox- beat the bloat
[04:39] <mike998_> i don't even see it transmitting
[04:40] <inc> bascule: just go with console... no need for x-window
[04:40] <goli> snowblink, thanks again...it worked...i thought apt-get install samba would do
[04:40] <bascule> weel that is too far, ratpoison, hell screen .. why not, then wmacs and your own LISP stuff ...
[04:40] <eskilo> bascule:  good point about balanced.
[04:40] <bascule> not me :)
[04:40] <eskilo> is it easy to set up xfce in ubuntu?
[04:40] <rel> mike998, iwconfig all ok?
[04:41] <mike998_> looks like it is
[04:41] <bascule> eskilo: yeah it was what I really wanted, and xfce does that for mew
[04:41] <mike998_> ohh essid off/any.. .that's gonna cause problems
[04:41] <rel> mike998, I had success with ndiswrapper on my precision dell laptop
[04:41] <snowblink> goli: np. smbfs is for doing mount/umount commands
[04:41] <bascule> eskilo: err, I dunno, i chroot ubuntu most of the time
[04:41] <rel> mike998, yes. maybe reset your ap, so that it transmits its essid
[04:42] <mike998_> rel: I thought I had it up and running until I actually got my router
[04:42] <mike998_> hang on - that will cause me to lose my connection
[04:43] <mike998__> the thing is, I don't see any activity on my wlan led
[04:44] <rel> strange, it could be a defect in hardware
[04:44] <mike998__> i had this thing running XP and it could pick up 3 wirless networks in this building
[04:44] <mike998__> might be a problem with the router though
[04:44] <Ainvar> mike998__ what kinda wifi card you have?
[04:44] <ShadeofGrey> okay i just checked the MD5's
[04:45] <ShadeofGrey> they match
[04:45] <rel> yes, a wl router?
[04:45] <ShadeofGrey> i dont get it
[04:45] <Ainvar> and what kinda wlan router?
[04:45] <mike998__> if I do a ndiswrapper -l it shows me bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[04:45] <bascule> iwconfig wlan0 Mode managed ad-hoc
[04:45] <mike998__> and it's a dlink di-524
[04:45] <Ainvar> just might be a simple setting with it
[04:45] <rel> dmesg?
[04:46] <mike998__> nothing really in dmesg
[04:46] <rel> mike998, I am using the same driver
[04:46] <eskilo> brb..trying xfce
[04:46] <rel> mike998, did you modprobe ndiswrapper?
[04:46] <mike998__> rel: as far as I can tell the drivers are pretty much the same across the different laptops
[04:46] <mike998__> yeah, and there is still nothing
[04:47] <ShadeofGrey> this sucks! i totally dont get it ... i downloaded the amd64 liveCD. ran fine. the installer version hung on the hot something manager every time, didnt ask for input into how i wanted grub configured, and didnt ask me what kiknd of install i wanted.. made a mess of my masterboot record and made it impossible to boot to windows. after the amd64 install i couldnt even get any of my windows boot disks to work
[04:47] <Pluk> darn gdm messing with my DPI
[04:47] <bascule> dots per inch?
[04:47] <Pluk> yup
[04:47] <mike998__> veeery strange is this
[04:47] <Pluk> fixed it already though
[04:47] <snowblink> mike998: does iwconfig show correct details?
[04:48] <rel> mike998, if dmesg doesnt report any wlan card then its not your router. funny thig is why iwconfig shows the iface
[04:48] <ShadeofGrey> tonight i grabbed the x86 liveCD. again it worked fine. the minute i run the main installer it asks for the language and input locale and then hangs at the blue screen. i even tried the special install option to ignore the buggy interrupt thing
[04:48] <mike998__> ifconfig shows the wlan0 interface
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> mike998, check the card version
[04:48] <Pluk> ShadeofGrey, warty?
[04:48] <mike998__> nomateryoda: how can I do that?
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> lspci
[04:49] <dakam> Hello again...
[04:49] <mike998__> 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[04:49] <mike998__> internal
[04:49] <Pluk> hi dakam
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> mike998, you need the bcmwl5a driver
[04:49] <dakam> got an error
[04:49] <dakam> Totem could not play 'http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1003'.
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> i have same card here
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> basically same ...
[04:49] <ShadeofGrey> Pluk: YES
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> using ndiswrapper
[04:49] <mike998__> hmmm okay - I tried the bcmwl5a driver and it didn't work
[04:49] <mike998__> didn't even come up.
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> well, maybe not then
[04:50] <Ainvar> firmware?
[04:50] <dakam> Why wont Rhythm Play MP3?
[04:50] <dakam> and where do i get the MP3 Plug
[04:50] <snowblink> mike998: You have configured with iwconfig for your essid? Your router allows your MAC?
[04:50] <hawke> dakam: Install gstreamer-0.8-mad
[04:50] <dakam> ok?
[04:50] <mike998__> ESSID is showing off/any
[04:50] <ShadeofGrey> could it be because i have fedora installed?
[04:50] <hawke> dakam: gstreamer0.8-mad rather
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> mike998, encryption?
[04:51] <mike998__> set
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:51] <rel> mike998, Im using the bmcwl5 driver found on Dell's website. And have exactly the same wireless card
[04:51] <zenwhen> does anyone have a clean /etc/modules.d/alsabase i can look at?
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> rel, using dell driver here too
[04:51] <dakam> where would i get it?
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> bcmwl5a
[04:51] <snowblink> mike998: perhaps try sans encryption first?
[04:51] <hawke> Is there an easy (GUI) way to allow another user beyond the first to admin the system?
[04:52] <mike998__> snowblink: I believe I tried that before but I can try again
[04:52] <inc> mike998: I set my /etc/network/interfaces with this and my wireless nic works fine http://minimzx.com/interfaces
[04:52] <Ainvar> wow over 920 packages to upgrade to hoarty
[04:52] <bascule> hawke: edit /etc/sudoers, copy the line exactly, nor GUI but easy
[04:52] <ShadeofGrey> where do i get the hoarty iso's?
[04:52] <dakam> ok Hawke where would i find gstreamer-0.8-mad
[04:53] <mike998__> inc: checking now
[04:53] <bascule> gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:53] <Ainvar> uhh hI did a search on google for it to find the link
[04:53] <dud> ShadeofGrey, see the topic
[04:53] <farruinn> bascule: isn't there a command like visudo or something that adds users to /etc/sudoers?
[04:53] <hawke> dakam: Search in synaptic
[04:54] <dakam> im in synaptic and i couldnt find -mad but i found everything else
[04:54] <bascule> I tink visudo is a safety thing to stop concurrent edits, I may be wrong
[04:54] <hawke> bascule: Yeah, I know how to do it manually, just wondering if there's an option that I'm missing somewhere...it really ought to be a systematic thing, IMO.  Like the Mac, "Allow this user to administer the system"
[04:54] <hawke> dakam: You may have to add "universe"
[04:54] <rel> dakam, maybe u need to enable multiverse in sources.list
[04:54] <blackdog> hi, what's the easy way of installing fonts? i found dfontmgr, it's too long winded tho
[04:54] <bascule> yeah I guess, the *nix way eh ... :)
[04:54] <mike998__> inc: heh - it REALLY didn't like that config
[04:54] <dakam> can you walk me through that? im not very sure on it
[04:55] <mike998__> I gotta get a mop to clean up the error messages my laptop barfed there
[04:55] <bascule> hawke, there is that 'wheel' group thing, then add user to group wheel
[04:55] <farruinn> blackdog: the fonts:/// location in nautilus
[04:55] <farruinn> drag-n-drop
[04:55] <inc> you try iwconfig ath0
[04:55] <rjgrel> does warty only have the sources for linux kernel 2.6.7 in the repository?
[04:55] <blackdog> ah :), ok, I admit it, I'm testing xfce4.2
[04:56] <rjgrel> i don't see anything above 2.6.7
[04:56] <blackdog> thanks
[04:56] <hawke> bascule: does that allow them to use sudo? I wouldn't think so...
[04:56] <bascule> think so
[04:56] <mike998__> inc: I changed the interface name to wlan0, tried again and nothing
[04:56] <bascule> or if they are in wheel they don't need it
[04:56] <mike998__> it's showing the correct information
[04:56] <bascule> # %wheel        ALL=(ALL)       NOPASSWD: ALL
[04:57] <bascule> # %wheel        ALL=(ALL)       ALL <-- same as sudo ???
[04:57] <inc> mike998: you in flood?
[04:57] <ShadeofGrey> alright guys. im d-loading the newest hoarty version for x86 -- if it doesnt install this time im writing off ubuntu and returning to Fedora core 3.
[04:57] <hawke> bascule: Ah, my sudoers doesn't ahve that.
[04:57] <rel> mike, what when you give iwconfig essid "default"?
[04:57] <dr_willis_> ShadeofGrey,  Hmm. whats not installing on the other tries?
[04:58] <rel> busted
[04:58] <inc> mike998: will in the setup i showed you did you change ath0 to wlan0? and input the essid that you are usinf and the rest?
[04:58] <hawke> bascule: Heh, 's OK.  Except for the NOPASSWD: ALL, that sounds right to me.
[04:59] <ShadeofGrey> dr_willis_: on the amd64 version the installer NEVER asked what kind of install, or how i wanted grub configured - it set grub with ONLY ubuntu in the list, and failed to start after the initial install and reboot that was supposed to lead to the end of the install... and i had to install fedora to fix the mess it made of my MBR -- after installing the 64 bit version it wouldnt even allow my system to boot from floppy even after i ch
[05:00] <ShadeofGrey> NOW - on the warty version of i386, the installer wont even get as far as the amd64 version. it asks for language and input locale and then hangs at the blue screen
[05:00] <ShadeofGrey> how messed up is that???
[05:00] <mebaran151> try a Hoary disk
[05:00] <mebaran151> they are very stable now
[05:00] <mebaran151> and work pretty well
[05:00] <mebaran151> I have some weird hardware and the install went ok
[05:00] <rel> ShadeofGrey, just installed hoary amd64 a hour ago.. like a dream was the installation
[05:00] <mebaran151> and I am on AMD6
[05:00] <mebaran151> 4
[05:00] <bascule> root@Kript:/ # cat /etc/issue
[05:00] <bascule> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[05:00] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: 32-bit warty locked for me consistently on 64-bit hardware.
[05:01] <farruinn> ShadeofGrey: why would the i386 install disc ask about amd64?
[05:01] <bascule> <-- cheat
[05:01] <rjgrel> is it possible to dist-upgrade to hoary?
[05:01] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:01] <mebaran151> just change your sources
[05:01] <bascule> yes, from a cheroo if you like :P
[05:01] <mebaran151> to hoary sources
[05:01] <bascule> chroot*
[05:01] <jesuel> so where can i dl a iso of hoary a64?
[05:01] <dr_willis_> ShadeofGrey,  Interesting....
[05:01] <mebaran151> and distpugrade way
[05:01] <farruinn> jesuel: /topic
[05:02] <mebaran151> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <ShadeofGrey> hawke: so what do you suggest? the horary ver. of amd64?
[05:02] <mebaran151> it is pretty clear
[05:02] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:02] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: probably.
[05:02] <mebaran151> try the Hoary version
[05:02] <mebaran151> the Warty version never gave me a good X Server
[05:02] <ShadeofGrey> will 32 bit applications run?
[05:02] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: you can work with the grub menu.lst to add windows back in, if you need to.
[05:02] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: They should.
[05:02] <mebaran151> which 32 bit apps?
[05:03] <mebaran151> you arent going to have a full set of 32 bit libraries
[05:03] <mebaran151> but if you are willing to play with the chroot
[05:03] <mebaran151> you can bootstrap yourself enough
[05:03] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: what was the problem with the x86 hoary?
[05:04] <rel> mebaran151, why would one use chroot to run apps on 64?
[05:04] <rjgrel> i'm dist-upgrading to a64 hoary
[05:04] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: You should be able to work with the /boot/grub/menu.lst to get windows to boot..
[05:04] <ShadeofGrey> hawke: havent tried it. dloading it now
[05:04] <ShadeofGrey> so far im not impressed guys
[05:04] <dr_willis_> How well done is the PPC versions of Ubuntu? about to 'fix' an imac :P
[05:04] <ShadeofGrey> i cant believe this distro won 3 arstechnica awards
[05:05] <farruinn> dr_willis_: G5 imac?
[05:05] <mebaran151> rel, if you want to run 32 bits
[05:05] <mebaran151> other than like openoffice
[05:05] <mebaran151> you have to build a chroot
[05:05] <dr_willis_> ShadeofGrey,  actually you are one of the FIRST ive ever heard thats had any issues at all installing this Disrto.
[05:05] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: Presumably they're judging 32-bit Ubuntu on 32-bit hardware
[05:05] <mebaran151> so that apt and the library loader
[05:05] <dr_willis_> farruinn,  old imac DV. its a g3 i think.
[05:05] <bascule> ShadeofGrey: you are trollong but here goes, if you were the rule rather than the exception it wouldn't have now would it?
[05:05] <farruinn> dr_willis_: I don't think you'll have much trouble
[05:06] <MacPlusG3> dr_willis_: i've used the livecd on ppc (still running debian on my ppc). works well. (Hoary live that is)
[05:06] <dr_willis_> farruinn,  i seem tor ecall ages ago with YellowDog - getting the thing to boot the cd was funky. the 'c' key dident boot it - i had to twiddle with the firmweare.
[05:06] <ShadeofGrey> dr_willis_: i just dont get why its having problems. its an athlon64 3500 with a gig of 3200 ram and i gave it a 200gig drive to install to
[05:06] <dr_willis_> MacPlusG3,  cool. theres a livePPc cd eh.. got to track that down.
[05:06] <dr_willis_> ShadeofGrey,  ide drive? serial ata?
[05:06] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: Because it's an athlon64.  That's basically it.
[05:06] <MacPlusG3> dr_willis_: see /topic for array 4. grap the ppc one from there
[05:07] <mebaran151> I am running AMD^$ now
[05:07] <dr_willis_> I got an AMD64 machine here.. i had issues with it the other day.. but wasent sure what was the cause.. GRUB dident boot. may be due to me haveing a Serial ATA raid also on the box.
[05:07] <farruinn> dr_willis_: booting with c key didn't work on an imac? that doesn't sound right
[05:07] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: Oh yeah, sata could be a problem too...forgot about that.
[05:07] <MacPlusG3> farruinn, dr_willis_ : could just have been that CD
[05:08] <mebaran151> if you are on an NV chipset
[05:08] <mebaran151> the sata_nv is pretty flawless for me
[05:08] <ShadeofGrey> hawke: they're the best processors on the market... if your telling me ubuntu isnt suitable for them -- thats a dumb manuever on the developers part
[05:08] <rel> mebaran151, oke. first time using 64 today. didnt know what to expect. all is running fine, wthout chroot. also openoffice works out of the box
[05:08] <mebaran151> rel, yep
[05:08] <farruinn> MacPlusG3: that'd be my guess
[05:08] <mebaran151> it will
[05:08] <mebaran151> the chroot is only for stuff like 32 bit Java and Flash
[05:08] <rel> aha
[05:08] <mebaran151> not GNU FLash but macromedia
[05:08] <rel> I see :)
[05:08] <ShadeofGrey> okay .. correction -- best NONPPC chipson the market
[05:09] <rel> mebaran151, I was afraid nvidia-kernel wouldnt work. but that went fine.
[05:09] <MacPlusG3> ShadeofGrey: AMD64 in 64bit mode has come a long way recently. there's still some problems (e.g. the bi-arch stuff). reporting problems in bugzilla is a good idea too
[05:09] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:09] <mebaran151> Ubuntu is sexy for AMD64
[05:09] <Pluk> ubuntu is sexy whatsoever
[05:09] <ShadeofGrey> well all im saying is that i chose ubuntu because i want to learn linux and fedora core 3 is painfully slow
[05:09] <mebaran151> the only 32 bit app I use is Openoffice
[05:09] <hawke> ShadeofGrey: Not saying that...or at least not that it's intentional.  But I personally experienced lockups with 32-bit warty on amd64, and very minor problems with 64-bit warty on amd64 (windows wasn't detected so I had to add it to grub's menu.lst manually)
[05:09] <mebaran151> so I really dont have to complain
[05:09] <ShadeofGrey> with a gig of ram it still takes almost four minutes to comeup
[05:10] <mebaran151> ShadeofGrey, what are you loading
[05:10] <mebaran151> my Ubuntu Box on half that
[05:10] <mebaran151> with the same processor
[05:10] <bascule> ShadeofGrey: FC does? omg!!
[05:10] <mebaran151> takes like 2 minutes
[05:10] <jesuel> hoary 64 has the 32bit library availible right?
[05:10] <mebaran151> you sure something isnt really messed up
[05:10] <salti> hi all
[05:10] <mebaran151> Jesuel you have to give them a chroot
[05:10] <ShadeofGrey> bascule: yeah. fedora core 3 is ridiculously slow
[05:11] <jesuel> now how do i do that ;p
[05:11] <bascule> that is awful ... ughh <PUKE>
[05:11] <rjgrel> when i dist-upgrade from warty to hoary, will it install the correct amd64 apps?
[05:11] <jesuel> cause i play q3 and there is not 64 bit binary for it ;p
[05:11] <ShadeofGrey> mebaran151: if something is messed up, fedora hasnt complained about it ... its just friggin slow as all hell
[05:12] <ShadeofGrey> and i have a 128 bit graphics card with 256 of vmemory
[05:12] <eskilo> being in xfce was terrible.
[05:12] <ShadeofGrey> even with all the eyecandy enabled it shouldnt take 3 minutes
[05:12] <hawke> rjgrel: Are you running amd64 already, or x86?
[05:12] <MacPlusG3> ShadeofGrey: is the card supported and does it have accellerated drivers? was it detected?
[05:12] <bascule> eskilo: you didn't like it :(
[05:12] <ShadeofGrey> YES
[05:12] <eskilo> no.
[05:12] <bascule> why?
[05:12] <eskilo> it had this way over-produced feel.
[05:12] <ShadeofGrey> g'night guys
[05:12] <eskilo> and the panels weren't configurable.
[05:13] <rjgrel> hawke: amd64 already
[05:13] <ShadeofGrey> ill check in tomorrow
[05:13] <bascule> eskilo: compared to Gnome you thought that ... ????
[05:13] <eskilo> yeah.
[05:13] <eskilo> gnome is so structured and intuitive.
[05:13] <bascule> OK
[05:13] <hawke> rjgrel: Then it should get the correct packages with dist-upgrade
[05:13] <rjgrel> ok, just making sure :)
[05:13] <rjgrel> thanks
[05:13] <eskilo> the most structured and intuitive would be fluxbox, but i like gnome's gnome compatibility. :)
[05:14] <mebaran151> hey XFCE is real cool
[05:14] <Pluk> yeah it is
[05:14] <Pluk> xfce rox
[05:14] <Pluk> rox rox too
[05:14] <Pluk> :)
[05:14] <eskilo> i don't see what people like about it.
[05:14] <mebaran151> XFCE or rox
[05:14] <mebaran151> I dont like rox
[05:14] <mebaran151> but I like XFCE
[05:14] <mebaran151> even (gasp) the file manager
[05:15] <SiRrUs> anyone install from array 5 yet
[05:15] <bascule> mebaran151: your alone in liking xfce file manager .. nasty thing
[05:15] <mebaran151> haha
[05:15] <mebaran151> I probably am
[05:15] <rjgrel> i love xfce
[05:15] <rjgrel> xfce is all i use
[05:15] <mebaran151> I tend to use bash as my file manager
[05:15] <bascule> xfce is here it is at
[05:15] <Pluk> dont like xffm
[05:15] <mebaran151> rjgrel, here here, I approve
[05:15] <mebaran151> I find it is quicker just to use mv and rm
[05:16] <bascule> mebaran151: bash is the best file manager, with *Very* few exceptions
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use 'mc' :P
[05:16] <mebaran151> I know waht is going to happen with bash
[05:16] <mebaran151> that is why I like it
[05:16] <mebaran151> I never get weird errors or nautilus complaining it cant do something
[05:16] <mebaran151> bash does it
[05:16] <mebaran151> and it does it quickly
[05:17] <darmou> does anyone here know how to use parted?
[05:17] <mebaran151> darmou
[05:17] <mebaran151> why not just use qtparted
[05:17] <mebaran151> if youre not resizing ext3
[05:17] <darmou> I'm trying to install ubuntu
[05:17] <mebaran151> qtparted should cut the bill
[05:17] <mebaran151> oh
[05:17] <mebaran151> cfdisk maybe
[05:17] <mebaran151> then
 I/O errors!!!!
[05:17] <mebaran151> it is easier than parted I find
[05:19] <SiRrUs> regeya_ is here :)
[05:19] <bascule> parted is one of those tools you can't really *learn* how to use, you either get ir right or you loose everything :P
[05:20] <hawke> bascule: heh
[05:20] <hawke> qtparted is pretty slick
[05:20] <bascule> it is
[05:20] <hawke> and several boot CDs include it.
[05:20] <hawke> systemrescuecd, for example
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> knoppix has it
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> ultimate boot cd too
[05:20] <hawke> nomasteryoda: yup
[05:20] <bascule> it does, feather?
[05:20] <hawke> and mepis installer cd does too
[05:21] <Amaranth> qtparted is a PITA
[05:21] <mebaran151> PITA?
[05:21] <mebaran151> I dont know what that means
[05:21] <Amaranth> pain in the ass
[05:21] <mebaran151> but qtparted keeps failing on me
[05:21] <mebaran151> I need to resize an NTFS partition
[05:21] <mebaran151> on my laptop
[05:22] <OmniColos> it means "it's nice with falafel"
[05:22] <Amaranth> qtparted never got beyond loading for me
[05:22] <darmou> cfdisk says cannot open disk drive my drive is /dev/rd/0
[05:22] <mebaran151> what kind of rd is it?
[05:22] <compmanio36> hey y
[05:22] <compmanio36> all
[05:22] <darmou> hardware rd
[05:22] <compmanio36> dumb keyboard :P
[05:22] <mebaran151> hardware rd
[05:22] <darmou> raid 0
[05:22] <hawke> darmou: rd == ramdisk... ???
[05:22] <mebaran151> is it like real rd
[05:22] <darmou> raid
[05:23] <mebaran151> or fake stuff that is in software
[05:23] <mebaran151> software raid uses drivers to work
[05:23] <hawke> darmou: it may be /dev/sda
[05:23] <hawke> darmou: what kind of raid card?
[05:23] <calamari> I heard that I could do ssh drag & drop from nautilus.. true or false ? :)
[05:23] <compmanio36> i recently got a Lexmark all-in-one X4270 that is supported through Windows but I can't find a driver for Linux
[05:23] <regeya_> fame?
[05:23] <mebaran151> calamari, you can
[05:23] <SiRrUs> your welcome
[05:23] <mebaran151> also ftp
[05:23] <regeya_> What, did my collection of homemade porn make it out into the wild?
[05:23] <calamari> mebaran151: how? :)
[05:23] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:24] <mebaran151> I think you go like
[05:24] <regeya_> o_O
[05:24] <mebaran151> ssh://(whatever path you use to ssh)
[05:24] <mebaran151> so for me
[05:24] <darmou> csb6 ultra
[05:24] <regeya_> gungh.
[05:24] <darmou> I have ata raid
[05:24] <mebaran151> I have never used it
[05:24] <mebaran151> as when I need to ssh
[05:24] <darmou> not scssi
[05:24] <SiRrUs> brb guys
[05:24] <darmou> there is no hd or sd devices
[05:24] <hawke> darmou: Some hardware ata raid cards show up as scsi devices
[05:25] <mebaran151> hawke, I think most do
[05:25] <mebaran151> as scsi is like the lowest common denominator
[05:25] <hawke> mebaran151: Could be, I don't have much experience with ide raid
[05:25] <mebaran151> why dont you do this
[05:25] <inc> I/O error :(
[05:26] <mebaran151> ls /dev/
[05:26] <mebaran151> and tell us what you see
[05:26] <mebaran151> we can find that pesky hdd
[05:26] <mebaran151> is this from the installer?
[05:26] <mebaran151> some distros use like devfs
[05:27] <bascule> ls /dev could be lengthy, ls -l /dev/sd*
[05:27] <Bandit> regeya did you say porn
[05:27] <mebaran151> pr0n please
[05:27] <mebaran151> my virgin eyes
[05:27] <Bandit> channel is getting wild i say
[05:28] <bascule> says the Bandit, now that is scary ... :P
[05:28] <Bandit> ;)
[05:28] <regeya> sorry for mentioning porn in a linux-centric channle
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> move this junk to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:28] <hawke> hah
[05:28] <bascule> surely the two are inseperable
[05:28] <mebaran151> Linux is sexy
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> bascule, ask ESR about that
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:29] <inc> rm -rf /
[05:29] <regeya> O_o
[05:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> woah
[05:29] <regeya> okay okay
[05:29] <darmou> there are no sd devices
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> ewwwwww
[05:29] <regeya> settle down
[05:29] <Doc_Willis> Hay MacPlusG3  - this is dr_willis  down stairs next to the imac. :P trying to get Ubuntu on it..  Problem is - thers a cd in the drive.. i can tget it out - Lol. :P there some key sequence at boot time to pop out the cd?
[05:29] <bascule> hawke: that is just horrible and not what i need to hear :) (LMAO)
[05:29] <mebaran151> darmou
[05:29] <hawke> :-)
[05:29] <Bandit> lol regeya see what ya started
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> regeya, yea only do tha on TheLinuxShow .. =)
[05:30] <bascule> LOL!!
[05:30] <regeya> heh
[05:30] <bascule> mass exodus now
[05:30] <Bandit> ok what is a nick collision from services
[05:31] <MobyTurbo> Bandit, getting rid of a ghost present from a bad disconnection
[05:31] <hawke> God *damn* metacity sucks
[05:31] <Doc_Willis> MacPlusG3:  heh - i got it. :P
[05:31] <Bandit> MobyTurbo got it :)
[05:31] <mebaran151> what is wrong with metacity
[05:31] <mebaran151> I never used it
[05:31] <zenrox> ok i get a nifty error from xorg saying nvidia module ant the same and xorg dies out
[05:31] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:31] <hawke> mebaran151: Yeah you have, if you use ubuntu...it's the default gnome window manager.
[05:31] <Doc_Willis> mebaran151:  lack of featuers and silly eye candy that you cant disable are my 2 issues.
[05:31] <MobyTurbo> mebaran151, metacity is GNOME2's default WM, you probably have used it
[05:32] <mebaran151> oh really
[05:32] <mebaran151> I thought that was nautilus
[05:32] <Bandit> zenrox did you get your rpos sorted out
[05:32] <mebaran151> what you learn
[05:32] <hawke> mebaran151: No, nautilus is a file manager.
[05:32] <zenrox> Bandit:  yep now i just need to fix my vid card
[05:32] <mebaran151> hawke, yeah
[05:32] <mebaran151> I just realised taht
[05:32] <mebaran151> zenrox, just modprobe -f
[05:32] <OrangeSlice> hey now, Nautilus also handles the desktop.
[05:32] <Bandit> zenrox what was wrong with them
[05:32] <mebaran151> you wont break anything
[05:32] <bascule> Doc_Willis: I hear you can run Gnome on xfwm, is that true?
[05:32] <regeya> hey neat http://www.google.com/search?q=regeya
[05:32] <hawke> mebaran151: metacity is the program that draws the window borders and close/min/max buttons.
[05:32] <darmou> ok /dev/rd/0 is the only device avaliable and cfdisk thinks it is just 10mg which is totally incorrect:(
[05:33] <mebaran151> it doesnt seem THAT bad
[05:33] <regeya> first thing returned on a search on my nick is my happy-birthday message to my wife :-)
[05:33] <hawke> anyway, my beef with metacity is its focus-follows-mouse behaviour.
[05:33] <mebaran151> what else is there for gnome
[05:33] <hawke> I turn it on, and click in a window still brings it to front.
[05:33] <hawke> mebaran151: sawfish
[05:33] <Bandit> zenrox what was wrong with them
[05:33] <mebaran151> hmm
[05:33] <mebaran151> i shall try it
[05:33] <mebaran151> is it better or worse
[05:33] <mebaran151> remember I like eyecandy
[05:33] <hawke> mebaran151: I like it better, it's way more configurable.
[05:33] <mebaran151> but could do with some more functionality
[05:33] <hawke> mebaran151: visually it's the same.
[05:33] <mebaran151> oh
[05:33] <mebaran151> sweet
[05:34] <hawke> mebaran151: if you like functionality, sawfish has it...it's insanely configurable.
[05:34] <mebaran151> do I have to kill metacity for it to work
[05:34] <Doc_Willis> all rigthy. PPC Ubuntu is installing. :P
[05:34] <mebaran151> like destroy
[05:34] <hawke> mebaran151: yeah.
[05:34] <mebaran151> I mean completely purge it
[05:34] <hawke> mebaran151: oh, no
[05:34] <mebaran151> cool
[05:34] <lightcap> how to I get changes to /etc/group to take effect for a user that's not logging in? (for example a service being started by an init.d script)
[05:34] <Doc_Willis> Hmm. I notice my imacs screen is shifted to the left about 3 charcters. thats annoying.
[05:34] <hawke> mebaran151: Just 'killall metacity' until it stops respawning, run 'sawfish &', and then run gnome-session-save
[05:35] <lightcap> surely it doesnt reqiure a reboot
[05:35] <OmniColos> ubuntu was a brainless install on me ibook g3
[05:35] <hawke> mebaran151: unfortunately, no clean way to change window managers, at least that I know of.
[05:35] <mebaran151> anyway to do it without a kill
[05:35] <mebaran151> yeha
[05:35] <mebaran151> probably a gconf setting
[05:35] <OmniColos> tho I did warty...
[05:35] <bascule> hawke: can't you just select sawfish in some gnome preferences menu
[05:35] <hawke> bascule: Not anymore.
[05:35] <bascule> boo!
[05:35] <hawke> bascule: That was there in ... gnome 2.0 I think?
[05:35] <hawke> bascule: pissed me off when it was removed.
[05:36] <bascule> yeah, I remeber it from somewhere
[05:36] <Doc_Willis> I really liked sawfish.
[05:36] <mebaran151> here
[05:36] <mebaran151> to do a nice easy cahnge
[05:36] <christopher_> hey
[05:36] <mebaran151> you just go gconf
[05:36] <Doc_Willis> But that was when gnome went from 1.0 to 2.0 sawfish had some issues - so they want to Metacity - which like NO ONE had heard of.
[05:36] <christopher_> do any of you know how to play a ram file on Ubuntu
[05:36] <bascule> is ther one of those nautilus foo:/// things now?
[05:37] <regeya> ooh, ram...realaudio, right?
[05:37] <snowblink> christopher_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[05:37] <christopher_> correct
[05:37] <regeya> bless ye snowblink
[05:37] <bascule> realplayer, yuk use mplayer for those things, or xine
[05:38] <mebaran151> how can I check if sawfish is my manager
[05:38] <mebaran151> I just did a gconf
[05:39] <darmou> is /dev/rd/0 a real device cfdisk seems to think it's only 10 mb
[05:39] <hawke> mebaran151: 'ps auxww | grep sawfish'
[05:39] <Bandit> anyone install array 5?
[05:39] <hawke> mebaran151: and 'ps auxww | grep metacity'
[05:39] <zenrox> ok that dint work
[05:39] <snowblink> bascule: they can play streamed ram files?
[05:39] <bascule> yup
[05:39] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:39] <mebaran151> sawfish ir running
[05:39] <mebaran151> they look exactly the same
[05:39] <zenrox> it loaded the driver but just displays nvidia logo 3 times then its locked up
[05:39] <christopher_> hey
[05:39] <snowblink> bascule: cool. Goes and tries
[05:40] <christopher_> i am back
[05:40] <regeya> what the devil is a 'cup of ubuntu'
[05:40] <mebaran151> ok
[05:40] <christopher_> it gave me this error message
[05:40] <christopher_> The filename "realplay-10.0.2.608-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "executable". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[05:40] <christopher_> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "executable", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[05:40] <mebaran151> so how do I configure this sawfish
[05:40] <bascule> snowblink: mplayer -cache 700 -playlist foo.url
[05:40] <b0x> hello all, i'm curious, does ubuntu (warty) come with a kernel source?
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> christopher_,  you run that thing.
[05:40] <hawke> mebaran151: now system -> preferences -> windows should give you the sawfish config
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> sh ./whatever.bin
[05:40] <christopher_> adn this one
[05:40] <christopher_> The filename "realplay-10.0.2.608-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "executable". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[05:40] <mebaran151> is it only supposed to have like three things
[05:40] <bascule> or in xine, download the liitle 17KB file and open it
[05:41] <bascule> easy christopher_
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> christopher_,  its their own "self installing executable" format.. which is pathic.
[05:41] <mebaran151> it doesnt look very configurable
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> mebaran151,  sawfish is SOO configurable its scary.. its 'scriptable' to the extreame
[05:41] <christopher_> so what do I do about it
[05:41] <mebaran151> Dr_Willis, but how
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> christopher_,  depends.. you could run the thing. :P
[05:41] <hawke> mebaran151: There should be a bunch of things...
[05:41] <zenrox> modprobe -f nvidia worked but gdm still dies out
[05:41] <mebaran151> I go to windows preferences
[05:41] <mebaran151> It says I loaded sawfish
[05:41] <hawke> mebaran151: is the window called "sawfish configurator"
[05:42] <qlo-xael> I can't seem to find the kernel source files in the ubuntu install distribution
[05:42] <qlo-xael> do they not come with?
[05:42] <christopher_> Lets pretend I am a computer novide
[05:42] <mebaran151> hawke
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> mebaran151,  last i used it theres a bunch of config files you CAN alter if you want.. or use its build in config tools.
[05:42] <christopher_> how do I do that
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> as i sayd earlier ------>    sh ./whatever.bin
[05:42] <bascule> chmod +x big_named.bin
[05:42] <bascule> ./big_named.bin
[05:42] <christopher_> ok do i just rename it
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> or what bascule  says :P
[05:42] <hawke> mebaran151: ?
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> You dont need to rename it.
[05:42] <christopher_> or do i have to do something else
[05:43] <christopher_> then what do i have to do
[05:43] <qlo-xael> Does anyone know if ubuntu 4.10 comes with kernel source?
[05:43] <hawke> mebaran151: there may be arrows next to the tabs to scroll left and right
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> sh whatever.bin    -- Or do the chmod +x whatever.bin  then ./whatever.bin
[05:43] <zenrox> qlo-xael: yes it does but you got to install it yourself
[05:43] <jonx_> and then I farted on his head and ran man.. best day of my life
[05:43] <mebaran151> arrows next to waht tabs
[05:43] <christopher_> dude like I said i am a comoputer novice I have no idea what you are saying
[05:44] <Pluk> amazing ati released new drivers so soon
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> christopher_,  FIRE up a shell.. and type the commands.
[05:44] <mebaran151> oh metacity is still there
[05:44] <mebaran151> hmm
[05:44] <christopher_> see I even spelled compueter wrong
[05:44] <qlo-xael> zenrox: how would i go about doing that?
[05:44] <bascule> type that stuff in a shell/terminal/console thingy
[05:44] <bascule> looks like a dos prompt
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> "thingy" :P real technical. :P
[05:44] <christopher_> um how do i start up the command shell
[05:44] <qlo-xael> i'm new with this debian packages thing
[05:44] <Bandit> qlo-xael why would you want to
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> Now is the time when we start pasteing Linux 101 Tutorial URL's :p
[05:45] <christopher_> yes
[05:45] <bascule> well it may be a little trickier and require you to be in the correct drectory
[05:45] <qlo-xael> because i want to compile my own kernel
[05:45] <snowblink> christopher_: did you go to ubuntuguide?
[05:45] <bascule> christopher_: http://linuxcommand.org
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> Which remindes me - looking for a "beginners guide to linux" download/booklet/ect. for a friend at work.
[05:45] <bascule> or there or lots of places
[05:46] <bascule> Dr_Willis: linux cookbook surely
[05:46] <qlo-xael> is kernel compilation not a good idea with ubuntu?
[05:46] <bascule> or were you looking for a more overall view?
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> bascule,   yea.. imagine somehign for a TOTAL Ms-windows Zombie-Lemming :P
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> bascule,  ie: an Idiot. :P
[05:46] <bascule> qlo-xael: *never* compile a distro shipped kernel, get a tarball ffrom kernel mirrors and use those
[05:47] <bascule> trust me recompiling dostro kernels is asking for trouble
[05:47] <hawke> bascule: I disagree...
[05:47] <bascule> Dr_Willis: I dunno if we stoop that low .. :P
[05:47] <bascule> hawke: OK ...
[05:47] <christopher_> ok
[05:47] <qlo-xael> bascule: sounds good
[05:47] <bascule> <-- burned a few times
[05:47] <christopher_> now I am in the terminal
[05:47] <regeya> I disagree about getting stock kernels, at least until linus and andrew get their #$%! heads screwed on straight :-/
[05:47] <snowblink> christopher_: did you go to ubuntuguide?
[05:47] <Doc_Willis> heh 87% done...
[05:47] <christopher_> what code to i use to start it
[05:47] <christopher_> yes
[05:48] <Doc_Willis> start what?
[05:48] <snowblink> christopher_: are you having problems following their step by step guide?
[05:48] <christopher_> yes
[05:48] <qlo-xael> bascule: i have 2.6.10 with an already configured config file on a cdrom, would that be a better idea?
[05:48] <snowblink> christopher_: which step?
[05:48] <bascule> in my opinion, others here seem to think differently ..
[05:48] <qlo-xael> i think that would be easiest
[05:49] <bascule> it is undeniably the safest
[05:49] <christopher_> i can't find how to just start the stupid program
[05:49] <ahmed> sup
[05:49] <zenrox> ok le me go tharu step buy step on how to get my nvidia card worken
[05:49] <Pluk> kernel config can be a bitch though
[05:49] <snowblink> christopher_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[05:49] <bascule> christopher_: the tv looking icon up the top of the screen
[05:49] <qlo-xael> is ubuntu smooth with installing new kernels? in slackware, my manual pages broke
[05:49] <snowblink> christopher_: step 3 explains how to do that
[05:50] <Doc_Willis> of course step 2.5 (not shown) assumes you know how to open up a shell to type commands into.
[05:50] <snowblink> christopher_: If you're wondering how to run realplayer, that's explained in step 5
[05:50] <snowblink> Doc_Willis: covered in step 1
[05:50] <bascule> qlo-xael: why that is connected to a kernel is beyond me, but if you have done them before do it
[05:51] <bascule> snowblink: he os trying to open a terminal
[05:51] <BrianAnthony> is there any _easy_ way to get a working front-end for xine-lib?
[05:51] <snowblink> bascule: it's in the general notes. Step 1
[05:51] <brian> Anyone have nautilus crash often? seems to be happening more and more
[05:51] <BrianAnthony> packaged aswell
[05:51] <qlo-xael> alright thanks
[05:51] <Pluk> BrianAnthony, xine-ui ?
[05:51] <bascule> ah, sorry I thought you were still at #realplayer
[05:52] <BrianAnthony> Pluk: I can't find that package with apt-get
[05:52] <christopher_> there is nothing that looks like a tv on the top of the gnome destop
[05:52] <BrianAnthony> I'm google'ing like crazy
[05:52] <qlo-xael> I have another question, can anyone tell me how to set the resolution/font in the framebuffer console?
[05:52] <Pluk> BrianAnthony, its prolly in universe .. edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:53] <Doc_Willis> qlo-xael:  I think the res needs to be set when the kernel boots. or module is loaded for the frame buffer..
[05:53] <Doc_Willis> qlo-xael:  the font can be set with some command..  i forget. :(
[05:53] <christopher_> hey willis
[05:53] <Pluk> fbset
[05:53] <BrianAnthony> pluk I don't even know any ubuntu apt sources though
[05:53] <christopher_> what looks like a "TV"
[05:53] <BrianAnthony> It just automaticaly set the default
[05:53] <Pluk> BrianAnthony, just read that file, you just have to uncomment stuff there
[05:53] <Doc_Willis> christopher_:  theres an icon that looks like tv/shells all over my desktop.
[05:54] <BrianAnthony> Pluk: okay I was just thinking that
[05:54] <BrianAnthony> thanks
[05:54] <Pluk> yw
[05:54] <qlo-xael> i know its something like vga=800x600x256, where do i put this declaration in ubuntu?
[05:54] <bascule> qlo-xael: vga=788 or 791 depends what you want
[05:54] <qlo-xael> bascule i want 800x600x256
[05:54] <bascule> in boot.lst is it, I have no idea on grub
[05:54] <christopher_> are you using gnome?
[05:54] <snowblink> christopher, doc_willis: Step 3 of the general notes: If you see "$", means you have to execute the command in Terminal mode (Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal)
[05:54] <bascule> 788 is what you wnat then
[05:54] <qlo-xael> muchas gracias
[05:55] <bascule> maybe 784, if you google them you will find a whole breakdown
[05:55] <christopher_> ???
[05:55] <christopher_> i see nothing that looks like a tv
[05:55] <bascule> 788 is 16bit I think, slight over kill
[05:55] <jacquesmerde> are there any downsides to activating the universe repository? it seems like a big floodgate to open just to get a few multimedia codecs...
[05:55] <jesuel> hrm, well im gonna do it, t-minus 2 hours till i install hoary64 on my poor laptop
[05:55] <timothy> sometimes when I change desktop backgrounds (especially when changing from "center" to "fill screen" , etc), I get a couple error messages: "I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit" and then "The application 'gnome-panel' has quit unexpectedly. You can inform the developers...etc" has this ever happened to anyone else?
[05:55] <fsc> anybody know what "no damage extension" when i run xcompmgr means?
[05:55] <zenrox> ok now how do i get this nvidia card to work
[05:55] <snowblink> christopher_: Click Applications. Then click System Tools. Then click Terminal
[05:55] <timothy> it restarts fine and everything, it's just strange
[05:56] <christopher_> ok
[05:56] <christopher_> did that
[05:56] <bascule> christopher_: you have this lookin thing christopher@localhost:/home $
[05:56] <christopher_> yes
[05:56] <snowblink> christopher_: have you installed realplayer yet?
[05:56] <bascule> follow the steps on the guide, I thiught that was where you were stuck
[05:56] <christopher_> yes
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> how 'zenlike'
[05:56] <christopher_> i installed it
[05:56] <snowblink> snowblink: so follow step 5
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:56] <christopher_> step 5?
[05:57] <jacquesmerde> are there any downsides to activating the universe repository? it seems like a big floodgate to open just to get a few multimedia codecs...
[05:57] <snowblink> christopher_: I have asked you about a dozen times if you followed ubuntuguide and you said yes
[05:57] <Dreamer3> can you assign a shortcut key to a launcher in gnome?
[05:57] <christopher_> give me that URL again
[05:57] <GammaRay> Dr_Willis: hmm.. what are you doing in here?
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[05:57] <christopher_> i fullowed the linuxcommand one
[05:57] <Dreamer3> n/m, i guess i already did :)
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> GammaRay,  where else am i?
[05:58] <snowblink> christopher_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[05:58] <dc17> Does anyone know of .torrent files for hoary array-5?
[05:58] <GammaRay> Dr_Willis: are you thye same Dr_Willis who was in #mandrake for a long time and then when to the dark "source nbased
[05:58] <GammaRay> Dr_Willis: are you thye same Dr_Willis who was in #mandrake for a long time and then when to the dark "source based" world :-P
[05:58] <bascule>  cd browse_to_your_download_folder <-- unclear I guess
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> GammaRay,  I am all over the place. :P
[05:58] <Bandit> nope not the torrent i just installed the iso of array 5 tho
[05:59] <GammaRay> Dr_Willis: that was a question btw
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> GammaRay,  heh  - putting Ubuntu on my imac at the moment. :P then i got to get my AMD64 setup
[05:59] <christopher_> it's like reading greek
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> GammaRay,  Mandrake had 'issues' with amd64 -  SUSE was much better.. so ive been useing it mainly lately.
[05:59] <snowblink> christopher_: I ask again. Which step are you having problems with?
[05:59] <bascule>  cd browse_to_your_download_folder <-- at a guess
[06:00] <christopher_> i got this
[06:00] <christopher_>  cd browse_to_your_download_folder
[06:00] <christopher_> $ chmod +x realplay-10.0.2.608-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[06:00] <christopher_> $ sudo ./realplay-10.0.2.608-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[06:00] <christopher_> Enter the complete path to the directory where you want
[06:00] <christopher_> RealPlayer to be installed.  You must specify the full
[06:00] <christopher_> pathname of the directory and have write privileges to
[06:00] <christopher_> the chosen directory.
[06:00] <christopher_> Directory:  [/home/chua/RealPlayer] : /opt/RealPlayer
[06:00] <christopher_> You have selected the following RealPlayer configuration:
[06:00] <christopher_> Destination:            /opt/RealPlayer
[06:00] <christopher_> Enter [F] inish to begin copying files, or [P] revious to go
[06:00] <christopher_> back to the previous prompts: [F] : F
[06:00] <christopher_> Copying RealPlayer files...configure system-wide symbolic links? [Y/n] : Y
[06:00] <christopher_> enter the prefix for symbolic links [/usr] : /usr
[06:01] <christopher_> i have absolutely no idea what they are talking about
[06:01] <snowblink> christopher_: step 3 then?
[06:01] <snowblink> christopher_: did you read step 1 general notes?
[06:01] <GammaRay> Dr_Willis: I installed ubuntu for a family member. I like it but I still perfer mandrake I think.
[06:01] <dc17> Bandit: do you know of a changelist for array-4 to array-5?  I'm hoping for better acpi support and faster wifi.
[06:01] <snowblink> christopher_: pay particular attention to the 3rd line in general notes
[06:01] <GammaRay> Dr_Willis: I just could not wait for mandrake to go to gnome 2.8. which seemed to take forever.
[06:02] <crimsun> dc17: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022856.html
[06:02] <Doc_Willis> GammaRay:  lol. Gnome is not an issue for me. - i tend to install windowmaker right off.
[06:02] <christopher_> is there any way you guys could just tell me shat to type in
[06:02] <Doc_Willis> then again being the latest and greatest/versions of stuff.. is sort of the reason  i Liked Gentoo.
[06:02] <christopher_> the file name is /home/christopher/realplay-10.0.2.608-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[06:02] <Doc_Willis> But computers are my Hobby.. I do what i feel like.
[06:03] <jesuel> hmm array-5
[06:03] <bascule> mandrake seem to never do version bumps in releases, just maintain
[06:03] <GammaRay> Doc_Willis: dare I say it in this channel but urpmi/rpm is just cleaner in many ways than apt/deb.
[06:03] <snowblink> christopher_: your download folder is /home/christopher
[06:04] <christopher_> yes
[06:04] <Doc_Willis> GammaRay:  yea they all have their pros and cons. Like all tools/Machines/OS's
[06:04] <snowblink> christopher_: so?
[06:04] <christopher_> so what
[06:04] <christopher_> now what do i do
[06:04] <GammaRay> bascule: well this was the first time I had noticed such a lag
[06:04] <snowblink> christopher_: what it says in step 3!!!
[06:04] <christopher_> what is step 3
[06:04] <tritium> GammaRay, in what way are you referring to>
[06:04] <tritium> ?
[06:04] <snowblink> somebody give me a stone
[06:05] <christopher_> for me it sais step 3 is # Where to find a list of all the programs/libraries that comes with Ubuntu?
[06:05] <snowblink> christopher_: are you taking the piss?
[06:05] <GammaRay> Doc_Willis: though i dislike that urpmi is written in perl... it's bugs me a lot on a slow computer.
[06:05] <christopher_> that dosn't help me
[06:05] <snowblink> christopher_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[06:05] <bascule> GammaRay: try to find KDE on official repositories?
[06:06] <GammaRay> bascule: not really.. (-;
[06:06] <bascule> that still isnt in i think
[06:06] <Doc_Willis> GammaRay:  yea- but i say in a year or so.. all the package managers will be much improved.. Thers a lot of new stuff being tried out.  I rember the state of Linux 3 years ago.. shudder
[06:06] <bascule> rh 7.0 was my first go, lasted 3 months
[06:07] <christopher_> forget it
[06:07] <Doc_Willis> Should of just pasted some Linux Tutorial URL's :P
[06:07] <snowblink> Doc_Willis: was he green or taking the piss?
[06:07] <bascule> some people just won't take the time
[06:08] <Doc_Willis> snowblink:  "windows-Lemming-zombie"
[06:08] <Doc_Willis> Following the pack.. and not able to think... :()
[06:08] <Doc_Willis> Linux Lesson #1 - THINK.
[06:08] <bascule> snowblink: I think he was completely windows damaged and never typed a thing into his computer
[06:08] <Doc_Willis> Lesson #2 - READ... then repeate #1...
[06:08] <GammaRay> tritium: in mdk everything can be dome w/ either urpm* or rpm. in debian the functions seem spread about over many differently named commands.
[06:08] <snowblink> there were step by step instructions!
[06:08] <GammaRay> s/dome/done/
[06:09] <snowblink> What I would have given for step by step instructions when I started.
[06:09] <Doc_Willis> GammaRay:  actually thers 'apt' that rolls most into one command.. but i used apt4suse.. Not sure if thers a similer thing for ubuntu
[06:09] <bascule> snowblink: yeah but the concept of typing and not clicking next is beyond some people, I have seen it
[06:09] <bascule> :(
[06:09] <tritium> GammaRay, oh, I see where you're going with that
[06:09] <Doc_Willis> "whers the any key" ?
[06:09] <Doc_Willis> :)
[06:09] <bascule> exactly that mentality
[06:09] <Dreamer3> does evolution have a outlook "what's going on today" kinda view?
[06:10] <tritium> Dreamer3, not anymore
[06:10] <tritium> Dreamer3, you mean like the Summary View?
[06:10] <bascule> good idea :)
[06:11] <stuNNed> wb HrdwrBoB
[06:11] <Dreamer3> tritium: i don't know, how do i get taht?
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> thanks
[06:11] <tritium> Dreamer3, no, I mean i Outlook
[06:11] <GammaRay> Doc_Willis: yea but there is no way to do urpmq filename w/ apt, is there?
[06:11] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB: so to run ubuntu in a virtual machine have to select 'vesa' video driver?
[06:11] <tritium> Dreamer3, there is a daily calendar view in evolution, however
[06:11] <Dreamer3> tritium: the one that shows everything, messages, tasks, etc
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: yes
[06:11] <tritium> Dreamer3, not anymore
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: depends on the vm though
[06:11] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB: ms vm
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, I think vesa
[06:12] <Dreamer3> tritium: huh?
[06:12] <stuNNed> okiez tnx
[06:12] <Dreamer3> tritium: it disappeared with 2.0?
[06:12] <tritium> yes
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> GammaRay,  i forget.. what does urpmq do?
[06:13] <crimsun> Dr_Willis: http://clug.net.nz/index.php/urpmq
[06:13] <GammaRay> Dr_Willis: I meant urpmf anyways.. it searchs for packages that contain that file
[06:13] <crimsun> GammaRay: apt-cache search foo
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> crimsun,  heh - yea :P
[06:13] <crimsun> GammaRay: apt-file search foo
[06:13] <bascule> Dr_Willis: query
[06:14] <crimsun> GammaRay: or if the package is installed, use dpkg -S, or install and use dlocate
[06:14] <tritium> or dpkg -S file
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> But - i recall 'apt' for suse (apt4rpm) that had consolidated a lot of these commands. Is there 'apt' for other disrtos also? cant seem to fuind any mention of it.
[06:14] <bascule> equery, gaze
[06:14] <crimsun> Dr_Willis: apt-rpm
[06:14] <reed_> I am on Hoary and I keep getting the error "Can't open resource for writing" in Rhythmbox whenever a new song starts playing
[06:15] <crimsun> reed_: have you updated within the last 2 hours?
[06:15] <Dreamer3> tritium: that's so not cool, and there is no comparison?
[06:15] <GammaRay> crimsun: no such command apt-file
[06:15] <crimsun> reed_: if not, do so.
[06:15] <stuNNed> crimsun: lol i did, why? :P
[06:15] <stuNNed> oh
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> crimsun,  yea. so apt-rpm can work under ubuntu? i think theres geting to be tooo many things useing the word 'apt' in the name :P  hard to g et them straight.
[06:15] <stuNNed> ok
[06:15] <crimsun> GammaRay: sudo aptitude install apt-file
[06:15] <reed_> ok
[06:15] <tritium> reed_, I'm getting the same problem, and I'm totally updated
[06:15] <reed_> what, specifically, should I update?
[06:16] <bascule> Dr_Willis: didn't you find that with emerge, surely the most overloaded command in history
[06:16] <reed_> actually I just installed the new upgrades
[06:16] <crimsun> reed_: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[06:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: how is the xfce wiki going?
[06:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: testing packages
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> bascule,  actually i tended to just install stuff. and update the system every week. :P
[06:16] <stuNNed> crimsun: is aptitude safer to use than say apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> bascule,  rarely used any other features of it.
[06:16] <bascule> yeah, it allows that doesn't it
[06:16] <crimsun> stuNNed: "safer?" for me, it's preference.
[06:16] <tritium> crimsun, upgrading doesn't resolve the polypaudio problems
[06:16] <bascule> I only ran it a month a found something I liked better, and still do :)
[06:16] <GammaRay> crimsun: I know how to do it w/ dpkg.. I was just bemoanging all the different commands :-D
[06:16] <crimsun> tritium: then refer to the url I posted last night if you were around...
[06:17] <Dreamer3> crimsun: huh? is there a url?
[06:17] <crimsun> Dreamer3: for the wiki page? no, not yet.
[06:18] <reed_> also, I'm trying to install a plugin for gaim "OpenQ" and the configure script tells me it can't find gcc
[06:18] <Doc_Willis> dang - thers a lot of updates its downloading.
[06:18] <tritium> crimsun, do you mind posting it again?
[06:18] <crimsun> reed_: / tritium: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022670.html
[06:19] <crimsun> reed_: sudo aptitude install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep gaim
[06:19] <GammaRay> never the answer.... I know (-:
[06:19] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[06:20] <crimsun> reed_: err, scratch that second command
[06:20] <crimsun> reed_: you need: sudo aptitude install gaim-dev
[06:21] <GammaRay> dlocate -du easier to remember than the rpm way: rpm --queryformat '%{NAME} %{SIZE}\n'
[06:21] <tritium> crimsun, didn't work
[06:21] <bascule> GammaRay: rpmdrake, been done
[06:21] <crimsun> tritium: what doesn't work?
[06:21] <Arion> Hmm, anyone in here ever use Roxio software?
[06:21] <tritium> crimsun, url you posted
[06:21] <tritium> the instructions
[06:21] <Doc_Willis> Arion:  the Ez-cd stuff ya mean?
[06:21] <crimsun> tritium: please be precise
[06:21] <bascule> Arion: as in CD-Creator
[06:21] <Arion> Yea Doc
[06:21] <Arion> Yea
[06:22] <Rotund> anyone else having problems w/ flight gear?
[06:22] <Doc_Willis> Arion:  UGH  :P
[06:22] <Dreamer3> does evolution have a 3 pane view?
[06:22] <Doc_Willis> Arion:  lol.. I dump it as fast as i can and normally put on NERO.
[06:22] <Arion> Yea, I know, but it's all I have right now
[06:22] <GammaRay> bascule: are you sure? isn't that the gui frontent to urpmi?
[06:22] <tritium> crimsun, ESD Sink Test fails, for one thing
[06:22] <Arion> Unless you know where I can download Nero from...
[06:22] <bascule> cdrecord -v dev=ATA:1.0.0 spped=8 -dao foo.iso , all i need
[06:22] <crimsun> tritium: pgrep polypaudio
[06:22] <Doc_Willis> or for fast and easy burning of iso files under windows. I HIGHLY reccoend "Burn At Once" - its free. :P
[06:22] <bascule> GammaRay: yes, I thought that is what you said
[06:22] <reed_> crimsun, audio seems to work, thanks
[06:22] <crimsun> reed_: np
[06:23] <bascule> GammaRay: two lins, missed the second, lol
[06:23] <bascule> <-- muppet
[06:23] <tritium> crimsun, and?
[06:23] <Doc_Willis> Nero has free demo versions you can download also.
[06:23] <crimsun> tritium: ...what does it return? an integer (pid)? nothing?
[06:23] <Arion> Yea, just noticed that...
[06:23] <Arion> Goin to get it...
[06:23] <Arion> I can't get the CD to boot right with roxio
[06:23] <tritium> crimsun, yes, the pid from the 3rd instruction
[06:24] <Doc_Willis> Depends on your needs.. you just burnign an iso image?
[06:24] <tritium> polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[06:24] <crimsun> tritium: does paplay function correctly?
[06:24] <tritium> crimsun, let me see what package needs to be installed for that.  All I did was allow the esound->polypaudio transition.  I didn't install extra packages
[06:25] <crimsun> tritium: the esd->pa transition is smoothest if you allow those extra packages to be installed
[06:25] <tritium> crimsun, I didn't disallow anything from being installed.  There must be no dependencies on those extra packages
[06:26] <jacquesmerde> tritium, thanks for your help yesterday, i dloaded array4 and isntalled it and its working fine
[06:26] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you're welcome.  I'm glad it's working.
[06:26] <jacquesmerde> tritium, could i just verify whether hoary-updates are on the ubuntu mirror repos? synaptic seems to be having trouble with them...
[06:27] <tritium> jacquesmerde, not yet
[06:27] <crimsun> tritium: I updated manually and pulled them all in
[06:27] <tritium> jacquesmerde, after it's released
[06:27] <tritium> crimsun, I'm pulling them in
[06:28] <jacquesmerde> tritium, so change hoary-updates back to the archive.ubuntu.com server? or just comment those two lines back out?
[06:28] <tritium> interesting, though.  esound functions with esound-clients
[06:28] <crimsun> esound should also function with polypaudio-clients
[06:28] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, just comment them out until after Hoary is released
[06:28] <jacquesmerde> sweet tritium, thanks
[06:28] <tritium> I meant esound didn't require esound-clients to function
[06:29] <Dreamer3> does evolution have a 3 pane view?
[06:29] <tritium> but it seems polypaudio does require its clients
[06:29] <crimsun> tritium: no, it works just fine without 'polypaudio-clients'
[06:29] <jacquesmerde> tritium, actually out of curiousity, how come aptitude had no problem when i ran update, but synaptic complained?
[06:29] <fsc> so xcompmgr with ati drivers are slooooowww, but is it the shadows that are slow or the transparency or both.  i don't really care about shadows, but transparency would be nice
[06:30] <tritium> crimsun, well, not in my case, yet
[06:30] <crimsun> tritium: you have a local config issue, I presume?
[06:31] <tritium> crimsun, I've done no configuration beyond the default package config
[06:31] <tritium> I haven't touched a thing
[06:31] <tritium> polypaudio is supposed to be a drop-in replacement, so I dropped it in
[06:31] <tritium> and didn't touch it
[06:31] <crimsun> tritium: odd, since everyone else's drop-in works :)
[06:31] <jacquesmerde> tritium, hoary-security universe sounds like an oxymoron...enable it?
[06:31] <tritium> I read a bug report on it, actually
[06:31] <crimsun> (there are quite a few ;)
[06:32] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, just main and restricted for security
[06:32] <tritium> crimsun, I only find this one: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6582
[06:33] <tritium> I get tons of errors on /var/log/messages about too many connections (>10)
[06:33] <tritium> which is strange
[06:34] <Dreamer3> does evolution have a 3 pane view? anyone?
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: isn't that the default?
[06:35] <crimsun> Dreamer3: sorry, not an evo user.
[06:35] <snowblink> Dreamer3: CTRL+`
[06:35] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: i mean like all the newer programs are doing, 3 vertical panes
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> wtf?
[06:36] <stuNNed> ?
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> three vertical panes?
[06:36] <stuNNed> windowpanes
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> so it's really hard to read your email?
[06:36] <Doc_Willis> Well if all the Newer Programs Jumped off a Cliff.. would you do that too? :P
[06:36] <Dreamer3> snowblink: ok, that hides and shows the preview... i want it on the far right...
[06:36] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: balsa, outlook 2003, thunderbird do it... it must be cool
[06:36] <snowblink> Dreamer3: ah you want it like tbird
[06:36] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: i just want to know if i can try it with evo or not
[06:36] <Dreamer3> snowblink: yes
[06:36] <crimsun> tritium: I don't have any such ">10" messages
[06:37] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[06:37] <tritium> I'll be back
[06:37] <Dreamer3> snowblink: i finally switched completely to local IMAP though, so i'm free to pick and choose any mail agent :)
[06:37] <snowblink> Dreamer3: I switched to mutt. Evo has an annoying composer you can't change
[06:38] <snowblink> Dreamer3: why not use thunderbird if you want the panes?
[06:40] <dc17> Dreamer3: AFAIK evolution will do a 3 pane layout like thunderbird
[06:44] <rel> is there a list of what patches go into ubuntu kernel?
[06:45] <stuNNed> tritium: eeewww
[06:45] <spinifex> cripes.  I right-clicked on my gaim systray icon and clicked "remove from panel" accidentally.  And now it's gone... and I can't figure out how to enable it again
[06:45] <tritium> stuNNed, heh
[06:46] <crimsun> rel: see changelogs for linux-image-$(uname -r). They're in linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.1x
[06:46] <crimsun> x={0,1}
[06:46] <spinifex> the program quits when I hit the X, rather than its usual behavior.  I've tried dpkg-reconfigure on it, and reinstalling it, but gnome won't show it.  How do I fiddle with my systray display?
[06:46] <Dreamer3> dc17: but how? :) i'm missing it
[06:46] <Dreamer3> snowblink: switched to mutt, eh? *laughs*
[06:46] <spinifex> I'd also like it to show xstroke, but it doesn't
[06:46] <Dreamer3> the only console tool i've fallen in love with (besides bash) is irssi :)
[06:47] <Dreamer3> oh, and aptitude
[06:47] <tritium> crimsun, I'm out of ideas
[06:47] <dc17> Dreamer3:let me check, I don't have evolution installed on this machine
[06:47] <crimsun> Dreamer3: man, lsmod, alsamixer, strace, sudo, ...
[06:47] <snowblink> Dreamer3: it is the most configurable client
[06:48] <crimsun> tritium: on which step does the workaround first fail?
[06:48] <spinifex> advice?
[06:48] <tritium> crimsun, testing the ESD sink
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> anyone on hoary got realplayer 10 working ?
[06:49] <crimsun> tritium: what does lsof report regarding the actual devices being used?
[06:49] <tritium> crimsun, and no rhythmbox, and only short system sounds
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> tritium: even i noticed the esd updates
[06:49] <tritium> da_bon_bon, no, this is about polypaudio
[06:49] <spinifex> there were..  70+ updates for me
[06:50] <regeya> http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/GFDL_DFSG_solution.txt
[06:50] <crimsun> I miss overfiend's cup of stfu image.
[06:50] <regeya> I'm not branden, but branden seems to have the sole remaining copy of my old cup of stfu.
[06:50] <tritium> crimsun, lsof returns nothing
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> tritium: whats polypaudio ? is it better than esd ?
[06:51] <regeya> crimsun, I wish I'd copyrighted it and put it on some mugs, believe me.
[06:51] <tritium> da_bon_bon, not in my opinion
[06:51] <spinifex> =\ anyone?
[06:51] <regeya> maybe I could have a sum of ...
[06:51] <regeya> $10
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> tritium: then why do u want to use it ?
[06:51] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it replaces esound if you allow ubuntu-desktop to be upgraded
[06:51] <dc17> Dreamer3: Try "Preview Pane" under the View menu
[06:51] <regeya> crimsun: http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg
[06:51] <crimsun> tritium: lsof /dev/dsp*   and    lsof /dev/snd/*   both return nothing?
[06:52] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I had allowed the dist-upgrade to remove esound and replace it with polypaudio.  I'm about to undo this mistake.
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> tritium: then u mean to day that in a normal warty -> hoary upgrade ubuntu-desktop isnt updated ?
[06:52] <tritium> da_bon_bon, no, only if you dist-upgrade
[06:52] <tritium> or explicitly install the new ubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> tritium: then i will update ubuntu desktop now, would u suggest it ?
[06:53] <Dreamer3> dc17: that only hides/shows it... i want what thunderbird does :)
[06:53] <tritium> crimsun, yeah, checked them all
[06:53] <Dreamer3> dc17: guess i might have to just get thunderbird :)
[06:53] <tritium> da_bon_bon, heck no
[06:54] <bascule> new kernel, reboot, all working still ... kinda boring really :)
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> tritium: why ? polypaudio is that bad ?
[06:54] <crimsun> tritium: you get _nothing_ for either?
[06:54] <tritium> crimsun, that's correct
[06:54] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it's sucking pretty hard for me, yes
[06:54] <regeya> dang, I was dumb back then.  didn't even embed a comment.
[06:54] <crimsun> tritium: erm, then polypaudio hasn't actually opened a device to which to write output.
[06:54] <regeya> I have no way of proving that I made that, but I did.  and now I should go to bed.
[06:54] <dc17> Dreamer3: what's missing.  The evolution I'm looking at looks real similar to Thunderbird.
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> tritium: updating ubuntu-dktop has any other advantages except audio ?
[06:55] <tritium> crimsun, paplay works
[06:55] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I don't believe so.  Use the "-s" switch to simulate what would happen
[06:55] <crimsun> tritium: and you're positive you're synced with current hoary?
[06:55] <tritium> crimsun, definitely
[06:55] <Dreamer3> dc17: i want my view like ||| windows
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> tritium: well, i am updating and i will repot back to you in 10 mins.
[06:56] <jacquesmerde> tritium, since you've answered all my questions so well before, how do i make a terminal my desktop background? what should i be googling for?
[06:56] <Dreamer3> dc17: not |=
[06:56] <tritium> jacquesmerde, say what?  :)
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: whatrs ||| and |= ?
[06:56] <tritium> da_bon_bon, ok
[06:57] <dc17> Dreamer3: I'm not sure how to do that, sorry.
[06:57] <Dreamer3> i'm downloading thunderbird :) gonna give it a spin
[06:57] <bascule> I just did all hoary updates and booted to the new kernel, al is well
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> tritium: can i then roll back ?
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> bascule: u didnt update ubuntu-desktop
[06:57] <Dreamer3> da_bon_bon: window layouts :)
[06:57] <dc17> Dreamer3: I ditched Evolution for Thunderbird and like it much better.
[06:57] <Dreamer3> da_bon_bon: rough like
[06:57] <bascule> da_bon_bon: I didn't?
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: ah, ok.
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> bascule: did a dist*upgrade ?
[06:57] <tritium> da_bon_bon, why not just do an upgrade?
[06:57] <bascule> apt-get upgrade
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> tritium: what upgrade ? i do a dist-upgrade twice a day
[06:58] <bascule> apt-get upgrade
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> bascule: do apt-get dist-upgrade to warty->hoary
[06:58] <bascule> I am already on hoary
[06:58] <tritium> da_bon_bon, do you pay attention to what's going to be installed/removed?
[06:58] <jacquesmerde> tritium, i've seen on other peoples computers that their desktop background is an active terminal. seems kinda like windows's active desktop...do you know how i could do that?
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> tritium: i did. why ?? esoind was removed and polypaudio was installed
[06:59] <bascule> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[06:59] <tritium> jacquesmerde, are you using gnome?
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> bascule: how many mb did it download ?
[06:59] <spinifex> dammit.
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> spinifex: what ?
[06:59] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you can make your terminal transparent.
[06:59] <bascule> well I did the initial jump last week, so today 37MB
[06:59] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:59] <Dreamer3> dc17: but it doesn't do tasks and calendar and such :)
[06:59] <bascule> about 150MB IIRC
[06:59] <Dreamer3> dc17: i need a GOOD web based shared task and calendar system
[06:59] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I thought you were heading off to do that now?
[07:00] <spinifex> I accidentally 'remove from panel' 'd the systray icon for gaim.  I can't get it back
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> bascule: then its still warty, no /system/ packages have been updated. do a dist*upgrade
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> tritium: did it. lemme reboot
[07:00] <bascule> listen to me man, I *did* it last week
[07:00] <SiRrUs> wow so much tension ;)
[07:00] <dc17> Dreamer3: I agree, I haven't found a good calendar system yet
[07:01] <bascule> SiRrUs: lol
[07:01] <dc17> Dreamer3: Mozilla Sunbird is a Calendar but it's 0.2 or something
[07:01] <snowblink> spinifex: add the notifications area to your panel
[07:01] <snowblink> spinifex: applet
[07:01] <jacquesmerde> tritium, yeah, am using standard ubuntu gnome with standard ubuntu gnome terminal.. i didnt realise gnome terminal had transperancy? anyway that seems the OPPOSITE of a background. that means it can go always on top, rather than always behind
[07:01] <spinifex> oo
[07:02] <Dreamer3> dc17: i need something nice and webbased that my partner and i could share for work
[07:02] <spinifex> heheh just googled and found that.  Thanks
[07:02] <Dreamer3> dc17: might have to write something for the tasks portion
[07:02] <bascule> perhaps cause I do these updates at the shell I get less hassles than most people, I dunno
[07:02] <spinifex> btw, any tips-- Xstroke won't show up on my gnome system tray, but it will in KDE
[07:02] <crimsun> tritium: do you have a wav file around 1 minute in length?
[07:02] <bascule> <-- relatively informed Linux user
[07:02] <lil_anthony> please help i installed kde as a test to see how ti looked from synaptic and now gnome will not start i get a mouse then it stops and goes back to the login screen any idea how to fix this issue?
[07:02] <shad0w1e> anyone here familiar with tinyirc ???
[07:02] <SiRrUs> bascule i do then all over and they work as well
[07:02] <dc17> Dreamer3: I just saw this today http://www.hula-project.org/index.php/Hula_Server
[07:02] <crimsun> tritium: if so, what's the output of ,,lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*'' while paplay is running?
[07:02] <tritium> crimsun, perhaps, why?
[07:03] <tritium> one moment
[07:03] <Dreamer3> lil_anthony: kde... ubuntu is a gnome distro ;-)
[07:03] <spinifex> kubuntu.
[07:03] <dc17> Dreamer3: I'm going to check it out for my company.  This looks like it still needs a lot of work
[07:03] <spinifex> heh
[07:03] <bascule> SiRrUs: I just recoil from updating desktop apps and so while the desktop is running, asking for trouble IMO
[07:03] <crimsun> hi james.
[07:04] <dr_willis> all righty - got my imac dv all set up :P
[07:04] <lil_anthony> fair enough but what i'm saying is i can no longer get gnome to run
[07:04] <lil_anthony> how can i fix it?
[07:04] <tritium> crimsun, /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[07:04] <dr_willis> dang console is 3 characters to the left side however. :( bummer
[07:04] <SiRrUs> It adds a sense of excitment
[07:04] <dutch> morning crimsun
[07:04] <crimsun> tritium: just for kicks, please paste your /etc/polypaudio/default.pa onto http://pastebin.ca
[07:04] <tritium> crimsun, I'm noticing plenty of errors in /var/log/messages related to module loading failures in module.c
[07:04] <bascule> heh, it does, but I got other things in computing for that
[07:04] <dc17> Dreamer3: check out http://basecamphq.com too.  It has calendar + task.  You can get a free on project account.
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> tritium: audio is fine, its better. but how do i make sure polyp and not esd is running ?
[07:05] <SiRrUs> lol
[07:05] <Dreamer3> dc17: hehehe, we already pay for basecamp each month :)
[07:05] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: pgrep polypaudio
[07:05] <Dreamer3> dc17: it can be slow to manage lots of tasks on dialup though
[07:05] <bascule> lil_anthony: short of mv .gnome2 and .gconf2 I dunno
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: 6726
[07:05] <dc17> Dreamer3: It's not bad over broadband
[07:05] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: polypaudio is running.
[07:06] <Dreamer3> dc17: of course not, what is? :)
[07:06] <crimsun> tritium: dpkg -l \*polyp\*|grep ^ii|wc -l
[07:06] <SiRrUs> well array 5 went on perfectly
[07:06] <bascule> boring huh ... :P
[07:06] <tritium> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/242815
[07:06] <SiRrUs> yeah very :(
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: its releaser
[07:06] <bascule> SiRrUs: change glibc, that'll make things fun
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: that dpkg command shows me 3. is it ok ?
[07:06] <SiRrUs> lol
[07:06] <tritium> crimsun, 5
[07:07] <dc17> Anyone running array5 on a Thinkpad?
[07:07] <Dreamer3> dc17: i use the framework basecamp was developed on for work too (rails) it's amazing
[07:07] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if sound works fine for you, then yes, it's ok.
[07:07] <tritium> da_bon_bon, congrats, you have no problems :)
[07:07] <crimsun> tritium: what errors?
[07:07] <tritium> crimsun, I'll paste on pastebin
[07:08] <viper12> just finished the big upgrade via the system upgrade tool......compaq x1000 wifi etc., etc.,  absolutely no issues.
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: its much much better than esd. now, how do i set it to free the audio server after set no. of secs ?
[07:08] <crimsun> 'k
[07:08] <dc17> Dreamer3: We've done some trivial rails stuff, it's a refreshing change from J2EE
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> tritium: right.
[07:08] <Dreamer3> dc17: indeed
[07:08] <bascule> is rails ruby?
[07:08] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: it does that automatically, but if you need to force a value, use one of the terminate/unload options
[07:08] <Dreamer3> bascule: yes
[07:08] <Arion> Someone mind helping me out with something (burning the CD)?
[07:09] <Dreamer3> bascule: and ruby is beautiful :)
[07:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: polypaudio -h
[07:09] <Dreamer3> Arion: cdrecord ;-)
[07:09] <bascule> framework ...?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: where do i find those options ?
[07:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: just told you.
[07:09] <lil_anthony> anyone else?
[07:09] <tritium> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/242816
[07:09] <Dreamer3> bascule: www.rubyonrails.ocm
[07:09] <bascule> thanks,remeber some slashdot story a while ago vaguely
[07:09] <Arion> Tried that Dreamer, it always writes the ISO file to the CD instead of burning the Ubuntu files...
[07:10] <Dreamer3> Arion: huh?
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: right.
[07:10] <Arion> Heh, it basically moves the ISO file from my HDD to my CD...
[07:11] <Arion> Now, I'm fairly new to burning CDs, but something tells me, that's not what's supposed to happen...
[07:11] <viper12> nope
[07:11] <crimsun> tritium: it's not loading the esound/unix module
[07:11] <tritium> crimsun, I noticed.
[07:11] <viper12> you need to 'burn image'.  just copying an iso don't do it.
[07:12] <viper12> but you figur'd dat one.
[07:12] <Arion> Yea...
[07:12] <Arion> ...that's just it, I can't seem to get it to burn the image
[07:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: you still planning on putting up a wiki?
[07:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3: of course.
[07:12] <Arion> I'm using Nero on WinXP by the way
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: is 1sec a proper exit-idle-time ? or should i set less or more ?
[07:12] <Dreamer3> ok, just checking :)
[07:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: gnome will get old eventually :)
[07:13] <viper12> oh arion...........thats EASY.
[07:13] <Arion> ?
[07:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I'm not claiming sole rights to it, so if you feel like putting one up, go ahead. Please let me know the url, however.
[07:13] <viper12> go side bar. i'll walk you thru it.
[07:13] <Arion> Ok, side bar?
[07:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i wouldn't even know what to put, since i'm not involved yet :)
[07:13] <Arion> Ahh, the app tabs...?
[07:14] <Agabus> in the hoary test i plugged in my usb flash disc and it popped up with a browser and showed the files on it, but when i pasted a file on it it showed it there, but when i move the flash device to a windows machine it doesn't see it?
[07:14] <crimsun> tritium: sudo aptitude reinstall polypaudio
[07:14] <tritium> crimsun, already tried that :)
[07:15] <tritium> at least I can use rhythmbox with ALSA sink if I just forget about using Gnome system sounds
[07:15] <Pluk> lol
[07:15] <Arion> Ok, I think I got it...
[07:15] <Pluk> composite kinda works
[07:15] <Arion> ...at least I'll find out in about 20 minutes.
[07:15] <Pluk> in the new fglrx driver
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> tritium: for me, polyp is /much/ better than esd. why not try - dpkg-reconfigure polypaudio ?
[07:16] <Arion> I'm guessing everyone here prefers Ubuntu of Win?
[07:16] <viper12> no arion.  when you're burning from nero.  first you open the cd 'data' and go to the main nero window if you're currently using smart start.
[07:16] <tritium> da_bon_bon, how is it better?
[07:16] <tritium> da_bon_bon, there's nothing to configure
[07:17] <bascule> dist-upgrade, all till cool
[07:17] <crimsun> tritium: what are the permissions on ,,ls -l /tmp|grep polypaudio'' ?
[07:17] <pagefault> i'm sure this has been asked before but does anyone have any idea when the new ati drivers will be in apt?
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> tritium: its richer, and realplayer works perfect now.
[07:17] <tritium> da_bon_bon, that's cool
[07:17] <bascule> except I am missing my partition icons
[07:17] <crimsun> pagefault: they're in Hoary and have been for a few weeks
[07:17] <tritium> crimsun, checking...
[07:17] <pagefault> crimsun, I mean the ones released today
[07:17] <Dreamer3> crimsun: what is this polypaudio thing?
[07:18] <crimsun> Dreamer3: drop-in replacement for EsounD
[07:18] <tritium> supposedly ;)
[07:18] <tritium> crimsun, 700
[07:18] <crimsun> it has dropped in for everyone except tritium ;)
[07:19] <Dreamer3> crimsun: hmmm... and i'd want it because? :)
[07:19] <bascule> esd sucks BIG time
[07:19] <tritium> Dreamer3, ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[07:19] <tritium> Dreamer3, it does replace esound
[07:19] <crimsun> Dreamer3: don't worry, you don't HAVE to have it. Granted, you won't have much choice when you dist-upgrade.
[07:19] <Dreamer3> tritium: since when?
[07:19] <tritium> yesterday
[07:19] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah
[07:19] <Dreamer3> crimsun: interesting :)
[07:20] <Dreamer3> is it available for warty?
[07:20] <Dreamer3> if so i'll check it out after thunderbird finished downloading
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: dist-upgrade doesnt install polyp
[07:20] <crimsun> tritium: try this: polypaudio -k && rm -rf /tmp/polypaudio-$(echo $USER)
[07:20] <tritium> da_bon_bon, you said you already have it installed...
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> tritium: yes, but not by default - dist*upgrade doesnt do it by default
[07:21] <tritium> da_bon_bon, yes, it should, because ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> tritium: but it didnt do it for me- i did it just now a few mins. back.
[07:22] <crimsun> tritium: also, are you using a hardened kernel or a non-Ubuntu-compiled kernel?
[07:22] <tritium> crimsun, nope, ubuntu 2.6.10-3
[07:22] <Eagleray> Any XF86Config gurus lurking who can advise on monitor configs?
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: whats the hardened kernel ?
[07:22] <tritium> crimsun, I have to disable parallel port in my BIOS, or use acpi_irq_isa=7 to get sound with esound
[07:22] <crimsun> Eagleray: what about monitor configs?
[07:23] <tritium> crimsun, right now, parallel port is disabled in BIOS
[07:23] <raghu> ubuntu has openoffice 1.1.2...how to get new one?
[07:23] <crimsun> raghu: running hoary?
[07:23] <raghu> apt-get installs same 1.1.2 version
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> raghu: hoary has 1.1.3
[07:23] <Dreamer3> crimsun: are you running hoary?
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> raghu: and 1.9
[07:23] <crimsun> raghu: install openoffice.org2 if you're running hoary
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: crimsun has warty
[07:23] <crimsun> Dreamer3: personally? no, sid+experimental+hoary
[07:23] <raghu> crimsun: thx
[07:24] <bascule> OK, what is the solution to rhythmbox dropping polypaudio between tracks?
[07:24] <Eagleray> Crimsun, I've just installed Ubuntu on an IBM Netvista S42, and can't get decent res + colour. I want to run 1024x768 true colour. It only wants to run 640x480
[07:24] <bascule> *every* track
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: OOo2 installs kdelibs too. does that mean i have to use kde ?
[07:24] <Dreamer3> crimsun: wow, you like to live on the edge :)
[07:24] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I've been with sid for many years.
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> Eagleray: hoary/warty ?
[07:24] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah, i see
[07:24] <Eagleray> Crimsun: warty
[07:24] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i was with Debian for quite a while, but I left ;-)
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> Eagleray: i asked, not crimsun
[07:25] <tritium> OOo2 is a bit buggy.  e.g. .doc files with tables
[07:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: more stable (but less so than 'stable') packages are a plus when you're on dial-up
[07:25] <Eagleray> sorry, this big screen is making it hard to read!!! ;)
[07:25] <crimsun> Dreamer3: certainly
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> Eagleray: anyway, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i added backports right away and upgraded a few apps, but i'm happy with warty for the most part ...
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: OOo2 installs kdelibs too. does that mean i have to use kde ?
[07:26] <tritium> crimsun, still no better
[07:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no
[07:26] <Pluk> hmm nice speed improvement with the new ati drivers
[07:26] <Eagleray> da_bon_bon: I'll give it a go, but does that do anything different from the configuration at initial installation?
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: kdelibs wont install the kde desktop and stuff, right ?
[07:26] <Dreamer3> Eagleray: possibly your graphics card is'nt supported?
[07:26] <Dreamer3> Eagleray: what is it, do you know?
[07:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: the libs are just the libs
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> Eagleray: no. for that, try "xf86config" or "XF86config" command, i dont remember which
[07:27] <pablo928> I've got a D-Link ethernet adapter installed in a ISA slot running Ubuntu. Hardware manager doesn't recognize it. Anyone able to help?
[07:27] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it doesn't install kde libs
[07:27] <Eagleray> Dreamer3, it's an i810 (at least it's detecting as such)
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> tritium: synaptic told me it does
[07:27] <Dreamer3> Eagleray: don't know, i have a little savage :)
[07:27] <crimsun> tritium: I presume you've been (re)starting ,,polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa'' each time?
[07:27] <tritium> crimsun, yep
[07:27] <Eagleray> da_bon_bon - already been there with XF86config, nasty thing screws up all sorts of stuff!
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> tritium: right, it doesnt :)
[07:27] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I have it installed
[07:27] <raghu> crimsun: i have no hoary....is there a way to get new openoffice
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> Eagleray: then edit by hand
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> raghu: update to hoary. its worth the effory
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> *t
[07:28] <crimsun> raghu: aside from installing it manually into another directory, no.
[07:28] <Eagleray> da_bon_bon: yeah, I've been messing with it, I'll try a bit more. Gotta run to a meeting now. Thanks for the advice.
[07:28] <raghu> da_bon_bon: how to update to hoary?
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> tritium: it gives the proper icons ? it removes the old ooo ? if not, doesnt it conflict ? is it stable ?
[07:28] <raghu> crimsun: thx...for help
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> raghu: ubuntuguide.org
[07:28] <lil_anthony> can someone help me in getting gdm working again please?
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: what happened ?
[07:29] <tritium> da_bon_bon, no, it co-exists with the old oo.org
[07:29] <Dreamer3> crimsun: you said you'd been working on the xfce thing thoguh?
[07:29] <lil_anthony> installed kde trying to see what it looked like
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> tritium: ok..
[07:29] <lil_anthony> it wouldn't work so i switched back to gnome
[07:29] <lil_anthony> as in a session
[07:29] <crimsun> Dreamer3: yes
[07:29] <lil_anthony> but gnome doesn't like me anymore
[07:29] <Dreamer3> crimsun: what thing were necessary to "unbutuize" the packages?
[07:30] <tritium> lil_anthony, what's your dm now?  kdm?
[07:30] <tritium> lil_anthony, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:30] <lil_anthony> ok let me try that
[07:30] <lil_anthony> didn't do that one
[07:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3: menus, session configs, rox-filer integration, and some things we haven't completed yet: ubuntu themes, among others
[07:31] <lil_anthony> givin me the 10 seconds or less error
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thats all OOo2 ?
[07:31] <bascule> tritium: got a good 'everything you wanted to know abot apt but were scared you'd get flamed if you asked' links?
[07:31] <lil_anthony> do i need to kill gnome-panel?
[07:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah, theme's should be too hard, should they? :)
[07:32] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: what I'm discussing with Dreamer3 is xfce 4.2, not ooo2
[07:32] <lil_anthony> aww ice authority
[07:32] <tritium> bascule, there's the apt-howto
[07:32] <lil_anthony> brb let me try
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok, sorry.
[07:32] <tritium> bascule, you can apt-get install it
[07:32] <bascule> heh
[07:32] <pablo928> Can anyone tell me if Warty is compatible with a ISA bus device?  I have one that isn't showing on device manager>
[07:33] <crimsun> pablo928: absolutely
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> at the end, when hoary is eventually released, and i am on the devel now, will i need to reinstall from the cd. ? will it change the "ub 5.04 hoary devel branch" to "ub 5.04 hoary" on the terminal ?
[07:33] <jdub> da_bon_bon: no, yes
[07:33] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you simply update && dist-upgrade
[07:33] <tritium> crimsun, still getting module loading errors with polypaudio
[07:34] <|QuaD|> note to self, never apt-get install kde, do kde-core, too many packages to uninstall!
[07:34] <tritium> I do believe I'm switching back to esound.  It's not worth any more effort.
[07:34] <pablo928> crimsun: then whay doesn't it detect my ethernet adapter? I've tried two.
[07:35] <lil_anthony> ok the reconfigure worked
[07:35] <lil_anthony> thanks mate
[07:35] <crimsun> pablo928: isa devices are more finnicky. Under Warty, you'll probably have to configure them manually.
[07:36] <pablo928> I'm very new to Warty. How do I do that?
[07:36] <crimsun> pablo928: what nics?
[07:36] <bascule> get rid of the exit-idle-time = -1 stops the rhythmbox drop
[07:36] <tritium> crimsun, thanks for all your help
[07:36] <bascule> changed mine to 50
[07:36] <lil_anthony> tritium: many thanks again
[07:36] <pablo928> A D-Link  De 220 PCT.
[07:37] <tritium> lil_anthony, sure thing :)
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> jdub: thnx.
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: will it update the desktops wallpapers and themes ?
[07:38] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: afaik, yes
[07:39] <crimsun> tritium: please submit a bug report about it, thanks.
[07:39] <tritium> crimsun, I will.
[07:39] <crimsun> excellent.
[07:39] <tritium> but tomorrow, I'm exhausted
[07:39] <bascule> on hoary, in /etc/polypaudio/daemon.conf
[07:39] <bascule> some ogf the lines atart with a ; should they?
[07:40] <tritium> crimsun, my first major problem of any kind with Hoary :(
[07:40] <crimsun> bascule: yes.
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> damn! polyp doesnt mix sounds.
[07:40] <jacquesmerde> tritium..everything soundwise was working fine on warty, even after a dist-upgrade, but now i've installed array4, i can play multimedia but no sound comes out.....is this a common problem? i've searched ubuntu's troubleshooting and docs
[07:40] <bascule> OK, the -1 on  exit-idle-time doesn't seem to stop it dying
[07:41] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I've seen that problem come up quite often, yes
[07:41] <crimsun> bascule: it shouldn't stop it; "-1" indicates that it should remain loaded.
[07:41] <bascule> yes, but rhythmbox drops after each track, I changed it to 50 it has played 3 in a row now..
[07:42] <pablo928> Crimsun: is my best bet to replace the ISA  nic with a PCI?
[07:42] <crimsun> pablo928: easiest, probably.
[07:42] <borgista> hello.
[07:42] <crimsun> pablo928: have you checked which kernel module that nic uses?
[07:42] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it's not so great after all?
[07:42] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: sure it mixes sounds.
[07:42] <pablo928> Thanks,crimsun, I'll try that.
[07:43] <jacquesmerde> tritium..and what is the solution? remembering to plug in your speakers? remembering to remove the install cd from your ear canal?
[07:43] <pablo928> Just means I have to spend money!
[07:43] <crimsun> pablo928: to search the web? :)
[07:44] <tritium> jacquesmerde, it depends...
[07:44] <pablo928> ) crimsun:and to network with this computer I'm using now.
[07:45] <GammaRay> after gnome has been on for days, telling it to shutdown through the logout prompt freezes everything except the mouse.
[07:45] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I'm about to head to bed.
[07:45] <jacquesmerde> tritium: what if one were to correct BOTH the aforementioned solutions, and still find oneself saddled with the problem? the fact that this wasnt a problem after a dist-upgrade intrigues me
[07:45] <reed_> how do I get sound juicer to rip to mp3?
[07:46] <jacquesmerde> tritium...if this is a common problem there should be a url out there i'm just too dumbe to find, yeah?
[07:46] <reed_> i followed this advice: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=957&highlight=sound+juicer+mp3
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> tritium, crimsun: set alsa up to mix sounds - and thus polyp too works great. actually, in multimedia system selector i changed both to alsa, does it affect polyp ?
[07:46] <crimsun> pablo928: have you tried using the "ne" kernel module?
[07:46] <reed_> but i get no mp3 option
[07:46] <tritium> da_bon_bon, you don't get gnome system sounds with that, do you?
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> tritium: no, i dont :)
[07:47] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if you choose alsa directly, you bypass polypaudio
[07:47] <tritium> jacquesmerde, perhaps there is.  I haven't followed it really.  You might search the wiki and forums.
[07:47] <bascule> da_bon_bon: i got polypaudio mixing sound, rhythmbox and cursos hovers in nautilus
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: then, in the selector i dont get any option for polyp.
[07:47] <pablo928> crimsun: don't know where to start. Doesn't even show in device manager.
[07:47] <|QuaD|> so i have a problem, is anyone here familiar with ibm's product?
[07:47] <zenrox> had to delete the .ICEathorty file from my home to fix the esd breaking gnome
[07:48] <|QuaD|> *products
[07:48] <tritium> da_bon_bon, you would want to select ESD
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> bascule: so did i.
[07:48] <|QuaD|> like linux products
[07:48] <bascule> ahcool
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> tritium: but i have no esd.
[07:48] <tritium> which, of course, doesn't work for me
[07:48] <tritium> da_bon_bon, polypaudio is supposed to function in place of ESD
[07:48] <crimsun> pablo928: you have to do this: sudo modprobe ne io=0xfoo
[07:48] <tritium> da_bon_bon, hence, you leave it at ESD
[07:48] <jacquesmerde> tritium, i tried the wiki..i'll give the forums a punt. any recommendations for search terms?
[07:48] <crimsun> pablo928: where "foo" is the i/o address of the d-link
[07:49] <tritium> jacquesmerde, obvious ones, like sound and Hoary and upgrade
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> tritium: selectin esd doesnt work.
[07:49] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it doesn't work for me either.  Welcome to the club
[07:50] <pablo928> crimsun: I'll give it a try. Thanks.
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> tritium: no, it worked a few mins. back. maybe will work after restart.
[07:50] <Dreamer3> hmmmmm
[07:50] <Dreamer3> can thunderbird display a smarter "date" field? like evo?
[07:50] <Dreamer3> or relative would be ever better "3 hours ago"
[07:50] <bascule> got xine polypaudio too :)
[07:51] <tritium> I must have installed malignant-polypaudio
[07:51] <bascule> poor guy, I dunno, I'm getting the 'just works' thing, well I had to tell xine esd, but is fine
[07:52] <tritium> bascule, cool :)
[07:52] <borgista> quick question: I have a HP PSC 1210 printer that for some reason doesn't get detected. Any Ideas? (it's usb-connected)
[07:52] <bascule> Jimi Hendrix Woodstock video with Dire Strits Going Home sounds horrible yet nice to hear
[07:52] <bascule> lol
[07:53] <bascule> now to check the latency on DVD rips
[07:55] <reed_> I want to change my cdlossy recording to mp3.  What should I change this line to: /system/gstreamer/audio/profiles/cdlossy/pipeline
[07:55] <reed_>  audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! vorbisenc name=enc quality=0.5
[07:56] <reed_> lamenc instead of vorbisenc?
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:56] <jesuel> *yawn* backing up over the network is sllllllllllllllllllllllllllow
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: tritium quit ? i wanted to ask him the club membership fee.
[07:57] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: he's off to sleep
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: what do i do to get polyp esd working ?
[07:57] <bascule> same as esd, but I spotted a suid dangerous option thingy, so I will have a go :)
[07:57] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: it doesn't work?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: just a few mins. ago it was great and now no. :(
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> and now polyp doenst even mix audio
[07:58] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: did you reboot in-between?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: theres no program such as esdlink
[07:58] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: or log out and back in?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: reboot
[07:59] <bascule> crimsun: ## commented out.  Use either ; or # for commenting <-- /etc/polypaudio/daemon.conf
[07:59] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: then you have to repeat those steps on http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022670.html
[07:59] <crimsun> bascule: yes.
[07:59] <tritium> crimsun, success!
[07:59] <crimsun> tritium: with esd or polypaudio?
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> tritium: how ?
[08:00] <rel> make-package not found on system, not in apt. how do  i get this?
[08:00] <tritium> crimsun, polypaudio
[08:00] <crimsun> tritium: what changed?
[08:00] <crimsun> rel: install 'build-essential'
[08:00] <tritium> crimsun, I just killed polypaudio, removed the poly dirs in /var, disabled sound server, saved profile on logout, and rebooted
[08:01] <tritium> da_bon_bon, see ^^^
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i need to do all that on evry startup ?
[08:01] <tritium> da_bon_bon, what I just described?  No.
[08:01] <bascule> wants sudo for priorities
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> tritium: no not that.
[08:02] <rel> crimsun, I have it already installed
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> tritium: the link he gave on list.ubu.org
[08:02] <crimsun> rel: then 'make' is already installed.
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i need to do all that on evry startup ?
[08:03] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: each gnome login afaict
[08:03] <rel> crimsun, iam confused. folowing a howto for creating custom kernel. make-package command fails.
[08:03] <crimsun> rel: do you mean make-kpkg?
[08:03] <rel> oh
[08:03] <crimsun> rel: install 'kernel-package', then.
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: afaict ?
[08:04] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: "as far as I can tell"
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: screw!
[08:04] <rel> spank me!
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> tritium: if u disable sound server then how it works ?
[08:04] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I re-enabled it when I logged it
[08:05] <ells> tritium: what is up
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> tritium: so u need to re-enable it evry login ?
[08:05] <tritium> ells, hello :)  Just getting ready to sleep.  You?
[08:05] <Dreamer3> how can i assign a shortcut key to an app in gnome?
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> tritium: so u need to re-enable it evry login ?
[08:05] <ells> in a while
[08:05] <tritium> da_bon_bon, no
[08:05] <ells> tritium: got a quick question
[08:05] <tritium> okay
[08:06] <ells> how can I delete an entire directory that is permission protected
[08:06] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if it does not work by default for you on login, you will have to follow those steps each gnome login.
[08:06] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[08:07] <tritium> ells, rm -rf dir/
[08:08] <tritium> ells, use chmod to change the permissions
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> tritium: there are no poly dirs in /v
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> *var
[08:09] <tritium> da_bon_bon, polypaudio-$USER
[08:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: he meant /tmp/polypaudio-$(echo $USER)
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> tritium: no such dir
[08:10] <tritium> da_bon_bon, that was just an example, with $USER representing your user name
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> tritium: u said /var not /tmp
[08:11] <tritium> da_bon_bon, did I?
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> and u disable server in sound prefs. right ?
[08:11] <tritium> I meant /tmp
[08:11] <crimsun> ('sok, I understood tritium)
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> ok
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> and u disable server in sound prefs. right ?
[08:11] <tritium> yes
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> thanks
[08:11] <jacquesmerde> hey, were people discussing the no sound with polypaudio problem here before?
[08:11] <tritium> crimsun, :)
[08:11] <snowblink> Dreamer3: xbindkeys?
[08:11] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: we're still talking about it.
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> and after reboot i enable it. then, i enable. then i do that every reboot ?
[08:11] <tritium> jacquesmerde, yes
[08:12] <Dreamer3> snowblink: is that a program?
[08:12] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I just got mine fixed, actually
[08:12] <snowblink> Dreamer3: yes
[08:12] <ells> thanks for the advice Tritium
[08:12] <jacquesmerde> tritium, i assume thats my problem. i certainly have polypaudio running now, and presume i didnt when my sound was working (with warty and then after the dist-upgrade)
[08:12] <Dreamer3> snowblink: was hoping for something inside of gnome, i setup a lot with gnome keyboard shortcuts, prolly enough for now
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> tritium: after i reboot, i enable. then ?
[08:12] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I can help you, hopefully
[08:12] <tritium> da_bon_bon, yeah, that's what I did
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> tritium: then for subsequent reboots ?
[08:13] <jacquesmerde> tritium, you've NEVER failed to help me so far...
[08:13] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I'll try to keep up my record :)
[08:13] <Dreamer3> what's news aggregator does everyone use?
[08:13] <viper12> lol
[08:13] <zenrox> hehehe
[08:14] <jacquesmerde> out of interest, what soundcard do you have tritium?
[08:14] <tritium> jacquesmerde, first thing I did was "polypaudio -k"
[08:14] <viper12> ohhhhhhhhh tritium yer mah herooooooooooo.  -j/t. ;)
[08:14] <viper12> :D
[08:14] <viper12> better to see that than some forums rtfm crap anyday.
[08:14] <zenrox> Dreamer3, computer -> desktop settings -> keyboard shortcuts
[08:14] <tritium> jacquesmerde, onboard Cirrus Logic CS4205 rev 3
[08:14] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you?
[08:15] <tritium> viper12, heh
[08:15] <viper12> :D
[08:15] <zenrox> realtek 6.1 ac97
[08:15] <jacquesmerde> tritium, audigy. on the forums a lot of people who said they had this problem had audigy and live cards. but i guess that could just be a matter of them being popular cards...
[08:15] <Dreamer3> zenrox: yeah, those are the ones i setup already :)
[08:15] <tritium> true
[08:15] <jacquesmerde> tritum, i dont suppose you want to tell me what polypaudio -k does? i like to know what i'm doing to my system....
[08:16] <viper12> just fyi.........live cards don't have near the issue rate that the audigy cards do.  I've installed 2 boxes with live cards with NO problems.
[08:16] <Dreamer3> zenrox: just was looking for an _easy_ way to assign gaim to a shortcut for example
[08:16] <tritium> jacquesmerde, okay, so did you kill polypaudio?
[08:16] <Dreamer3> zenrox: since i have am IM key on my keyboard :)
[08:16] <zenrox> oh
[08:16] <tritium> viper12, good to know...
[08:16] <jacquesmerde> well, i bought my audigy card coz i really wanted to use onboard soundfont. though it seems linux still doesnt support this : (
[08:16] <pablo928> crimsun:: I now show the nic on device manager as unknown ethernet device
[08:16] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  might be a way if you edit the shout cut file but i ant to shure google it you might find somthing
[08:17] <crimsun> fwiw, there's no need to kill polypaudio and restart it manually each time you log into gnome.
[08:17] <tritium> crimsun, I don't plan on doing it beyond this one time
[08:17] <crimsun> I've confirmed that the steps tritium took resolve the problem; we can consider this issue closed.
[08:17] <tritium> crimsun, thanks!  you were a big help to me
[08:18] <viper12> yeah trit.  the forums are stuffed with audigy anguish (at least with hoary).  Live seems to be more of 'why can't i do x?" than "it doesn't work".
[08:18] <zenrox> i agree ill stick with my alsa
[08:18] <crimsun> tritium: np.
[08:18] <jacquesmerde> tritium, i did your polypaudio -p, now rhythmbox wont even PRETEND to play mp3's. it just says "could not pause playback" "could not open resource for writing"
[08:18] <tritium> jacquesmerde, it's more involved.  That was just the 1st step
[08:19] <tritium> jacquesmerde, and it should be -k
[08:19] <jacquesmerde> ok, sorry. to be impatient
[08:19] <zenrox> tritium, write up a wiki page and put it on ubuntus wiki
[08:19] <jacquesmerde> whoops, i meant-k, thats what i did
[08:19] <jacquesmerde> what are the other steps? do i have any hope of understanding them or will i just have to blindly follow them?
[08:19] <tritium> jacquesmerde, next step I took was to "rm -rf /tmp/polypaudio-$(echo $USER)"
[08:20] <jacquesmerde> do i actually type "$USER"
[08:20] <tritium> jacquesmerde, yes
[08:21] <tritium> it's an env. variable for your username
[08:21] <jacquesmerde> my username is michael, i cant just write rm -rf /temp/polypaudio-michael?
[08:21] <reed_> I just want sound juicer to rip mp3s
[08:21] <reed_> can anyone help?
[08:21] <da_bon_bon> tritium: works, but no sound mixing in polyp.
[08:22] <tritium> da_bon_bon, well, at least it's a start...
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> tritium: so i decided to use alsa and i can live without system sounds.
[08:22] <reed_> I dl'ed goobox and it can rip to mp3 but without CD data
[08:22] <reed_> I'm on hoary and I have mp3 support in gstreamer
[08:23] <tritium> da_bon_bon, oh, okay.
[08:23] <jacquesmerde> tritium: "env"?
[08:23] <tritium> jacquesmerde, environment
[08:23] <tritium> zenrox, I will, perhaps tomorrow.  I'm so ready for bed...
[08:24] <zenrox> kewl
[08:25] <tritium> jacquesmerde, ready for the next step?
[08:25] <jacquesmerde> tritium: so it should be equivalent to just /temp/polypaudio-michael?
[08:25] <tritium> yes
[08:25] <tritium> if that's your username
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> tritium: whats env ?
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> tritium: plz email me the complete steps on rohandhruva@gmail.com
[08:25] <jacquesmerde> tritium: ready and waiting, though i have NO idea what i've done so far
[08:25] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I was abbreviating environment
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> tritium: thanks, plz
[08:25] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it's also a command to show your enviroment variables
[08:26] <tritium> environment
[08:27] <tritium> jacquesmerde, the first step killed the running polypaudio process
[08:27] <tritium> the second just removed some files in the /tmp directory, just in case
[08:28] <tritium> jacquesmerde, now go up to System->Preferences->Sound
[08:29] <crimsun> if anyone else reports problems with polypaudio and the "cannot create..." errors, refer them to http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[08:29] <jacquesmerde> tritium, done that. btw, did that rm do a permanent thing? will it be rm'ed after my next reboot?
[08:30] <tritium> crimsun, thanks.
[08:30] <tritium> jacquesmerde, yes, it was permanent, but those were temporary files
[08:30] <bascule> will rhtymbox and so start ppaudio if it isn't running, like xmms will start esd
[08:30] <jacquesmerde> if they're temporary files wouldnt they just be recreated as needed?
[08:31] <tritium> jacquesmerde, they will next time polypaudio is started
[08:31] <crimsun> bascule: gnome-session (which is invoked automatically when you log in) handles starting polypaudio.
[08:31] <bascule> of course, thanks
[08:31] <jacquesmerde> ok, gotcha tritium, i'm right with you
[08:31] <tritium> jacquesmerde, crimsun wrote up the remaining steps at the URL he pasted above
[08:31] <bascule> whast if I told it not to? :)
[08:31] <ells> tritium: my keyboard for my laptop is intermittently doing crazy stuff. Is there a way i can reset the keboard
[08:32] <jacquesmerde> tritium, is this a bug in polypaudio itself? wont ubuntu have to upgrade the package pretty quick with a patch since its a supported package?
[08:32] <tritium> ells, you could try "reset"
[08:32] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: no, this is not a bug in polypaudio
[08:33] <ells> type reset
[08:33] <tritium> yes
[08:33] <ells> cool
[08:33] <jacquesmerde> crimsum, then what is  the source of the problem? has this affected everyone with array4?
[08:33] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: perhaps one in gnome-session, but that may be something of a stretch.
[08:33] <ells> what exactly does it reset
[08:33] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: the source is a stale session state file
[08:34] <tritium> zenrox, since crimsun wrote it up, I don't believe I'll write a wiki page :)
[08:35] <jacquesmerde> crimsum...its a problem that ubuntu will post an update for though, yeah?
[08:35] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: rest assured it will be fixed before Hoary releases.
[08:36] <tritium> jacquesmerde, are you all set with that URL?
[08:36] <zenrox> probly befor the first test releace
[08:37] <jacquesmerde> trtium, sorry missed that . going to url now. actually, since i have an audigy card, do i need polysound or equivalent at all??
[08:38] <tritium> I don't know what you're referring to
[08:40] <crimsun> pablo928: please use Computer>System Configuration>Networking  to configure your network card
[08:40] <jacquesmerde> trtium, ok..i got that url. i assume you're referring to the last, unindented steps?
[08:41] <jacquesmerde> tritium: if i just reboot my computer, will i have undone the polypaudio kill and thus the rm of the tmp file?
[08:41] <ironwolf> Are there know issues with thinkpad T series and Netgear WG511 wireless cards?
[08:41] <tritium> jacquesmerde, yes
[08:41] <Nemesis__> ubuntu hoary on sparc doesnt boot
[08:41] <bob2> insightful!
[08:41] <Nemesis__> i know :)
[08:42] <bob2> fabbione: do you have any newer sparc boot images than the ones on sparc.u.c?
[08:43] <fabbione> bob2: not yet
[08:43] <jacquesmerde> tritium, so i can just reboot my computer and follow crimsun's seven steps and stop bugging you?
[08:43] <fabbione> but sparc is not going to get any love before i am back the 7th of MArch
[08:43] <Nemesis__> awww
[08:43] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you're not bugging me, but I need sleep.  it's nearly 3 a.m. here
[08:44] <jacquesmerde> what percentage of people who installed array4 will get this polypaudio problem? will the fix be placed somewhere easier for casual users to find? closer to ubuntu's main page?
[08:45] <Nemesis__> fabbione: i'll he happy to test it on an Ultra 5/10
[08:46] <jacquesmerde> btw, can anyone recommend a better emule client for ubuntu that amule?
[08:47] <tritium> jacquesmerde, do you want to log in and out and check that before I go?
[08:49] <jacquesmerde> tritium, sure! thanks for the offer. i'll do it right now
[08:50] <fabbione> Nemesis__: thanks! but i am leaving today for my honeymoon and there will be nobody taking care of it
[08:51] <Nemesis__> fabbione: ooh where ya goin?
[08:51] <fabbione> Nemesis__: ecuador
[08:51] <fabbione> and galapagos
[08:51] <Nemesis__> fabbione: *jealous*
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: here ?
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: are u here ?
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> tritium: are u here ?
[08:53] <tritium> yes
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> tritium: thanks a lot for the mail. what have u set for the default input source ?
[08:54] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I didn't edit the /etc/polypaudio/default.pa at all
[08:54] <tritium> da_bon_bon, just leave it as it was installed
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> tritium: no, in the multimedia systems selector
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> whats the default ? plz tell me coz i xhanged it.
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> \*changed
[08:55] <jacquesmerde> tritium, didn't work. oops, i forgot to save system setup...though it seemed to save it anyway...lemme try again...back in 5
[08:55] <tritium> ok
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> tritium: whats the default ? plz tell me coz i changed it.
[08:56] <tritium> da_bon_bon, one second
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> tritium: sure
[08:57] <ells> Tritium: how can I go and reconfigure my keyboard
[08:57] <ells> what is the command
[08:57] <jacquesmerde> tritium, damn, lemme try just ONE more time...
[08:57] <tritium> ells, wouldn't you rather use the gnome keyboard configuration tool?
[08:58] <ells> I will give it a try
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> tritium: found ?
[08:59] <jacquesmerde> tritium: still no sound
[08:59] <tritium> jacquesmerde, and you followed every step?
[09:00] <jacquesmerde> yup
[09:00] <pussfeller> jacquesmerde, mldonkey is prob what you want for emule
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> tritium: use email. irc dcc send doesnt work in xchat
[09:00] <jacquesmerde> i dont understand how the final step works. how does just enabling startup after you've logged in change anything?
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> tritium: and i havent touched my default.pa - whats the input selected in multimedia systems selector by defualt ?
[09:00] <jacquesmerde> tritium: yup. every step
[09:01] <tritium> da_bon_bon, ESD
[09:01] <jacquesmerde> when logging out with saving changes, should you have to click ok/close on a warning about what you've done?
[09:01] <jacquesmerde> pussfeller: thanks! why do you prefer mldonkey over amule?
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> tritium: not hte defualt sink. the default source is esd too ?
[09:01] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no
[09:01] <tritium> da_bon_bon, yes
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> ok
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> brb
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> tritium: wait plz till i am back
[09:02] <pussfeller> jacquesmerde, it runs client/server mainly, as well as being able to connect to all the major p2p type things
[09:03] <pussfeller> ie, you can run it on one box without X and control it from any computer in the world
[09:03] <jacquesmerde> pussfeller, so do i run it under mldonkey-gui? you too?
[09:03] <jacquesmerde> pussfeller: through ssh?
[09:03] <pussfeller> don't know about that, i just use the built in webserver
[09:04] <jacquesmerde> so how do i run mldonkey once its apt'ed?
[09:04] <jacquesmerde> tritium - yeah, i got that message when i thought i'd done it wrong. so i tried it again, didnt get that message, but it still didnt work
[09:04] <pussfeller> you might try reading the docs...
[09:05] <jacquesmerde> pussfeller - good answer
[09:05] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I'm sorry
[09:06] <tritium> jacquesmerde, the only thing that I did differently from crimsun was to actually reboot, rather than log out and back in
[09:06] <jacquesmerde> did you have to reboot to make it work? i'll try it that way if so!
[09:07] <tritium> I only tried that way.  I didn't try only logging out
[09:07] <fabbione> Nemesis__: a new sparc installer should be available in a couple of days (if it doesn't fail to build automatically)
[09:07] <fabbione> acutally
[09:07] <fabbione> no
[09:07] <fabbione> i can manage to do it differently
[09:07] <jacquesmerde> tritium: i understand why you disable it before you log back into gnome, but what does reenabling it then do???
[09:08] <tritium> jacquesmerde, hopefully starts polypaudio nicely with a fresh session
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> tritium: works rockingly!! mixes too :))
[09:08] <Nemesis__> fabbione: sweet :)
[09:08] <tritium> da_bon_bon, :)  all right!
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> tritium: tell me, do i need to check enable the soundserver at startup every time i login ?
[09:09] <tritium> da_bon_bon, no, you should only need to do that this one time
[09:09] <Nemesis__> fabbione: do you even want a description of the problem i had? hehe
[09:10] <fabbione> Nemesis__: yeah
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> tritium: ok, great. u r a scholar
[09:10] <fabbione> Nemesis__: but i can't be sure 100% the new installer will fix it
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> how do i get xine to use esd ?
[09:10] <fabbione> Nemesis__: neither i will be able to fix anything if the new one fails
[09:10] <tritium> da_bon_bon, heh, thanks.  I'm glad it works for you :)
[09:10] <Nemesis__> fabbione: if its based on the debian installer, very possibly will fix it
[09:10] <Nemesis__> ah here we go
[09:11] <Nemesis__> it gets to the SILO boot: prompt
[09:11] <Nemesis__> i press [enter] 
[09:11] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[09:11] <Nemesis__> it loads the kernel
[09:11] <Nemesis__> then tries to load the ramdisk into memory
[09:11] <Dreamer3> grip's cddb support isn't working or cddb isn't working?
[09:11] <Nemesis__> and dies with a "Fast Instruction Access MMU Miss"
[09:11] <Panzerboy> hello
[09:11] <fabbione> Nemesis__: what machine is that?
[09:11] <Dreamer3> ok
[09:11] <Dreamer3> better
[09:11] <fabbione> Nemesis__: that error can happen in 2/3 situations
[09:11] <Nemesis__> Ultra 5/10 -- UltraSparc IIi 440 Mhz
[09:11] <Panzerboy> i would like to ask probably the most asked question about ubuntu :)
[09:12] <Panzerboy> so please bear with me
[09:12] <Panzerboy> but
[09:12] <Nemesis__> Loaded kernel version 2.6.10
[09:12] <Nemesis__> Loading initial ramdisk (2527537 bytes at 0xFC0200 phys, 0x40C00000 virt)....
[09:12] <Nemesis__> Remapping the kernel... Fast Instruction Access MMU Miss
[09:12] <Panzerboy> is it possible to install ubuntu without gnome?
[09:12] <Panzerboy> or xorg?
[09:12] <bob2> yes
[09:12] <Nemesis__> then boots me out to an openfirmware prompt
[09:12] <bob2> xorg is only in hoary, anyway
[09:12] <Panzerboy> i am looking at installing it on a server
[09:12] <fabbione> Nemesis__: either silo is broken, your OBP is old or the kernel has issues with yout CPU
[09:12] <Panzerboy> bob2: x then :)
[09:12] <Panzerboy> sorry
[09:12] <bob2> Panzerboy: the easiest way is to do a normal install and remove the stuff yo udon't want
[09:12] <Panzerboy> bob2: and the hard way ? :D
[09:13] <Nemesis__> fabbione: debian-installer -rc2 gets past that and into booting the kernel   (it does when it tries to mount a root)
[09:13] <bob2> use the "expert" or "custom" boot option
[09:13] <Panzerboy> lots of stuff to remove :)
[09:13] <bob2> but Kamion beats me whenever I suggest that
[09:13] <jacquesmerde> tritium: how do i start polypaudio manually? whats the start switch if -k is kill?
[09:13] <Panzerboy> bob2: do you have any idea if there's a doc somewhere that describes this options?
[09:13] <fabbione> Nemesis__: let's see. silo in debian is compiled with gcc-2.95
[09:13] <fabbione> Nemesis__: we build with 3.3
[09:13] <fabbione> Nemesis__: that can make silo cry
[09:13] <Nemesis__> fabbione: ahhhh
[09:13] <bob2> Panzerboy: it tells you this on the boot screen
[09:14] <tritium> jacquesmerde, yes, -k
[09:14] <Panzerboy> bob2: ok, thanks
[09:14] <jacquesmerde> tritium: so -k interchangable starts AND kills polypaudio?
[09:14] <fabbione> Nemesis__: but importing an entire gcc in hoary is kinda of a suicide
[09:14] <fabbione> Nemesis__: so we will see how it goes. for now sparc is really unofficial
[09:15] <bob2> fabbione: is that a gcc or silo bug?
[09:15] <fabbione> Nemesis__: so i am not too worried about it
[09:15] <Nemesis__> fabbione: yeah, i know, i just tried it to keep bob2 happy
[09:15] <fabbione> bob2: dunno. could be even an OBP problem that doesn't understand gcc3.3 generated code properly
[09:15] <bob2> ah
[09:15] <fabbione> it boots fine here
[09:16] <fabbione> but i have a pretty updated sparc
[09:16] <fabbione> it's not something you can constantly reproduce
[09:16] <Nemesis__> across machines at any rate
[09:16] <jacquesmerde> tritium: i cant start it with -k
[09:18] <tritium> jacquesmerde, sorry, I stepped away for a second
[09:18] <tritium> no, -k is to kill it
[09:18] <tritium> jacquesmerde, just polypaudio with no switches will work
[09:19] <tritium> jacquesmerde, but don't start it manually
[09:19] <tritium> just re-enable the sound server when you log back in
[09:19] <jacquesmerde> doesnt work anyway
[09:20] <tritium> jacquesmerde, look at your /var/log/messages for errors
[09:20] <jacquesmerde> cool
[09:21] <jacquesmerde> tritium...reading the file...i've never seen polypaudio written so many times...
[09:21] <tritium> jacquesmerde, not surprising.  Paste some of the errors to pastebin
[09:22] <jacquesmerde> pastebin?
[09:22] <tritium> jacquesmerde, http://www.pastebin.com/
[09:22] <wAsgOedlyN> hey ppl, i just installed ubuntu on a k6/2 500MHz with 64Mb of RAM. i followed the HOWTO in the ubuntu website on how to install ubuntu with minimal components and install a small giu afterward. im new 2 linux so getting an error message bowls me over. it says: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server....
[09:23] <wAsgOedlyN> after i run the startx command
[09:23] <jdub> Today is Ubuntu Love day, everyone! http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/UbuntuLove
[09:23] <jdub> #ubuntu-love is in effect :)
[09:23] <Tsjoklat> jdub... wonder about the 'love' bit :)
[09:24] <jacquesmerde> tritium - ooh, what IS this site?
[09:24] <fabbione> Nemesis__: i just upload the new installer, but it can take up to a few hours before you can find it on the mirrors
[09:24] <fabbione> Nemesis__: 20041227ubuntu12 <-
[09:24] <tritium> jacquesmerde, a place to post things publicly
[09:24] <Nemesis__> fabbione: doesnt matter, my sparc's at work; it'll be 12 hours before i touch it
[09:24] <fabbione> ok
[09:24] <Tsjoklat> thanks to everyone for the birthday wishes and e-mail :)
[09:25] <jacquesmerde> tritium - i have no idea which bits are the bits i should paste...
[09:25] <tritium> Tsjoklat, :)
[09:25] <jacquesmerde> tritium, can i just chuck the whole file in?
[09:25] <tritium> jacquesmerde, just give me a random sample of the errors with polypaudio in them
[09:25] <tritium> jacquesmerde, the whole file may be too large
[09:25] <P3L|C4N0> wAsgOedlyN, http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> hey tritium?
[09:26] <tritium> Hi there Tsjoklat
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> tritium you were right yesterday :P
[09:26] <pussfeller> anybody know how to make thunderbird use differing smtps
[09:26] <pussfeller> or is that still not implemented
[09:27] <pussfeller> they are all set up but theres no way to associate accounts with identies
[09:27] <tritium> Tsjoklat, it's okay.  Peace :)
[09:28] <jacquesmerde> tritium, done. i put my name as polypaudio
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> tritium :)
[09:28] <tritium> jacquesmerde, what do you mean, exactly?
[09:28] <jacquesmerde> what do you mean what doi mean?
[09:29] <tritium> you put your name as polypaudio?
[09:29] <tritium> Oh, on pastebin
[09:29] <tritium> now I'm with you...
[09:29] <jacquesmerde> pussfeller...any hints on finding rar'ed albums of oggs on emule?
[09:29] <tritium> dude, it's 3:30 a.m. here...
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> lol
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> no rest for the wicked
[09:30] <tritium> heh, I haven't slept yet since we talked last
[09:30] <pussfeller> jacquesmerde, not that I would ever download copywrited materials, ever ever, help me jesus, but you might try punching the bandname or album title into keyword and selecting "archive" in  the format section
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> me neither tritium
[09:31] <tritium> Tsjoklat, well, I hope you were celebrating your birthday ;)
[09:31] <jacquesmerde> pussfeller, oh i know that much, but as far as sorting the wheat from the chaff, i thought you might have some expert tips
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> tritium, yes I was thank you :)
[09:31] <tritium> good!
[09:32] <pussfeller> oggs I dont know, I would look for mpcs if possible and then convert em
[09:32] <jacquesmerde> tritium, are you tired? i've heard rumours that you never sleep
[09:32] <tritium> jacquesmerde, lol
[09:32] <tritium> yeah, I'm pretty tired
[09:33] <jacquesmerde> trilium, you're like a laptop. used to have a sleep mode, but now that mode has become obsolete
[09:33] <pussfeller> sleep is over rated
[09:33] <tritium> ah, but I have hibernate working pretty well.  Maybe that's what I'll do.
[09:34] <tritium> See you in the spring ;)
[09:34] <jacquesmerde> well, sleep => dreams. and in my dreams i have a slightly better success rate with girls
[09:34] <tritium> heh
[09:35] <tritium> jacquesmerde, if you're around tomorrow and still having troubles, we can take another look at it, okay?
[09:36] <jacquesmerde> cool, tritium, sure thing. any recommendations re experimentation with the problem during your deep hibernation period?
[09:36] <tritium> jacquesmerde, play with /etc/default/acpi-support
[09:37] <tritium> and if you don't have that, install acpi-support
[09:37] <kandinski> now seriously, difference between sleep and suspend?
[09:37] <tritium> Tsjoklat, how about tomorrow? :)
[09:37] <kandinski> hibernate is to disk, I know that
[09:38] <Tsjoklat> tritium, but but but... :P
[09:38] <jacquesmerde> i sleep so long i make a bear's hibernation look like a cat-nap
[09:38] <tritium> :)
[09:38] <tritium> Okay, good night...
[09:38] <Tsjoklat> tritium, night
[09:38] <jacquesmerde> g'night, sleep tight, don't let those bedbugs give you any shit
[09:40] <HiddenWolf> woohoo: 6 month average on distrowatch over 1000 :-)
[09:40] <Pluk> yay
[09:40] <Ribs> you should see http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=4
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> I know, but I was waiting for the 1000hpd on 6 month. More meaningful. :-)
[09:43] <techn9ne> thats the advtanges of .deb to .rpm?
[09:44] <techn9ne> whats
[09:44] <Agrajag> nothing really, they're just package formats
[09:44] <Agrajag> and apt works with both
[09:45] <techn9ne> im just wondering the point of having 2 then
[09:45] <techn9ne> rather than standardize
[09:45] <HiddenWolf> tecn9ne: distro-pride :)
[09:45] <Pluk> i agree, we all shoud use .deb
[09:45] <Pluk> :)
[09:45] <HiddenWolf> Pluk: amen
[09:45] <GammaRay> nah.. we should all use rpm :-P
[09:45] <Pluk> too late i was 1st
[09:46] <HiddenWolf> techn9ne: If you use .deb, it's garuanteed to run on debian. rpm > redhat
[09:46] <dud> deb is so superious its not even funny
[09:46] <HiddenWolf> It's apt that's superior to yum, not really deb to rpm
[09:46] <GammaRay> huh?
[09:46] <jdub> techn9ne: there's not a lot of qualitative difference. there are comparisons on the 'net.
[09:47] <GammaRay> apt really has nothing to do w/ this
[09:47] <techn9ne> well it just makes all the ppl making software more work
[09:47] <techn9ne> that they have to package in multiple formats
[09:48] <Agrajag> techn9ne: not just multiple formats, you have to have a different version for each distro and version of that distro, unless you statically compile everything
[09:48] <Nemesis__> on a side note, whats the difference between a .deb and a .udeb ?
[09:48] <HiddenWolf> techn9ne: the price you pay for freedom :-)
[09:48] <techn9ne> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3475 ... what a stupid review
[09:49] <techn9ne> all he talks about is how he doesnt like the name and default theme
[09:49] <techn9ne> well i think theres a small army of ppl packing stuff for deb
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> techn9ne: and he says kde is not available and moans about it, then enables universe and raves about how much stuff there is available.
[09:50] <techn9ne> mepis & ubuntu prob. help
[09:50] <techn9ne> moaning about no gnome in a distro like suse or no kde in ubuntu is stupid
[09:51] <HiddenWolf> I agree
[09:51] <techn9ne> they were able to create a solid distro that works great 'cuase they focused
[09:51] <HiddenWolf> No need to convince us, convince the world.
[09:52] <techn9ne> isnt there a kubuntu project or something?
[09:52] <selinium_> Hi all, I am having problems mounting my wiindows drive :( can anybody help, please?
[09:52] <techn9ne> selinium_: whats the prob?
[09:52] <techn9ne> did you add the line to your /etc/fstab file?
[09:53] <selinium_> techn9ne: Yes i followed the instructions on the ubuntu site.
[09:53] <techn9ne> did you reboot?
[09:53] <techn9ne> are you sure you referenced the correct partition?
[09:53] <HiddenWolf> secn9ne: he doesn't have to, he can just do mount /dev/hd(x)
[09:53] <snowblink> selinium_: what is your error message?
[09:53] <AndyR> lo all
[09:54] <selinium_> techn9ne: pretty sure, the error is mount: can't find /dev/hdb2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:54] <ata> what does the line for hdb2 look like in fstab?
[09:54] <techn9ne> hmm i didnt know that... i thought it had to be /dev/hd(drive)(partition)
[09:54] <snowblink> selinium_: mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt
[09:54] <techn9ne> selinium_: its your slave drive?
[09:55] <HiddenWolf> selinium: you have to give a destitnation for the mounted drive.
[09:55] <techn9ne> sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[09:55] <techn9ne> then type p
[09:56] <techn9ne> and make sure its on B
[09:56] <selinium_> techn9ne || snowblink: No it is the primary, but I fdisk'd and that was the drive it said
[09:56] <HiddenWolf> selinium 'mount /dev/hd(x) /target > where x is the partition number, and target is where you want to mount it
[09:56] <snowblink> selinium_: listen to hiddenwolf. You have not mount point set in fstab
[09:57] <HiddenWolf> example: mount /dev/hda4 /target
[09:57] <snowblink> selinium_: mount -t vfat or ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt
[09:57] <HiddenWolf> snowblink: you're complicating matters. :-)
[09:57] <techn9ne> selinium_: is it fat or ntfs?
[09:57] <selinium_> What is the addy for the code dump?
[09:57] <snowblink> HiddenWolf: how so? I already gave hime the mount command - scroll up
[09:57] <selinium_> ntfs
[09:58] <techn9ne> next version of ubuntu should automatically mount windows partitions like suse
[09:58] <snowblink> selinium_: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt
[09:58] <snowblink> selinium_: did you read ubuntuguide.org?
[09:59] <selinium_> Yes, i read the guide. What is the code dump. I can show you what I have done there
[09:59] <snowblink> selinium_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows will show you how to keep it on reboot
[10:01] <mlambie> quick question: is there a 2.4 kernel install option for Ubuntu? The reason I ask is that I'm messing with SunRay thin clients and the SunRay mailing list recommends a 2.4 kernel.
[10:02] <selinium_> I think I read the fdisk wrong.... One mo
[10:04] <jdub> mlambie: 2.4.26 is available in warty
[10:04] <jdub> mlambie: called 'kernel-image-*' unfortunately
[10:04] <mlambie> jdub: thanks
[10:04] <mlambie> i'll check that one out
[10:10] <selinium_> snowblink: I have mounted the windows drive now. but i cant seem to navigate it!
[10:14] <Nermal> lo lo
[10:14] <Nermal> whats the easiest way to install the kernel sources for my running kernel in hoary ?
[10:14] <HiddenWolf> apt-get them
[10:15] <Nermal> HiddenWolf, yes.. but I can only see kernel-source for 2.6.9 not 2.6.10 which is what I'm running
[10:16] <HiddenWolf> nermal: go raise hell
[10:16] <Nermal> HiddenWolf, meh
[10:17] <Nermal> I  don't think vmware will be very happy
[10:18] <HiddenWolf> nermal: I don't think i'd be very happy, with vmware. :-)
[10:21] <beezly> hmmm, bonobo in hoary seems to be broken. anyone know anything? gnome-panel won't start, nautilus, epiphany the same
[10:21] <lapo> hi there
[10:23] <beezly> seems like I've semi-answered my own question - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5565
[10:23] <Nermal> morning beezly :)
[10:23] <beezly> heya Nermal!
[10:24] <beezly> hows u?
[10:24] <Nermal> not too bad
[10:24] <Nermal> just got vmware up and running under ubuntu
[10:24] <Nermal> recovering from lug :|
[10:24] <beezly> ah, nice. I'm impressed with vmware
[10:24] <beezly> for the odd occasion when I have to use XP (like beating Exceed into submission) it does a great job
[10:25] <Nermal> does the vmware 4.x licence key work with 5.x beta ?
[10:25] <beezly> nope
[10:25] <Nermal> meh
[10:25] <Nermal> :|
[10:25] <beezly> i might just get work to buy me a copy of 5.0 when it is released, it's good stuff
[10:28] <shock> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050217 <--- wahahahaaa *lol*
[10:30] <Nermal> brb
[10:35] <myzt1qu3> !seen da_bon_bon
[10:36] <myzt1qu3> help
[10:37] <myzt1qu3> i don't know how to configure my modem
[10:37] <myzt1qu3> i don't know how to conf my modem
[10:38] <myzt1qu3> help
[10:38] <myzt1qu3> anyone
[10:38] <myzt1qu3> i don't know how to conf my modem
[10:38] <myzt1qu3> anyone
[10:38] <myzt1qu3> help
[10:39] <myzt1qu3> help
[10:39] <myzt1qu3> help
[10:39] <beezly> i think there's an echo in here
[10:39] <myzt1qu3> i don't know how to conf my modem
[10:39] <myzt1qu3> yes indeed
[10:40] <myzt1qu3> support room???
[10:40] <Nermal> hmm.. I seem to have no sound in gnome now :|
[10:40] <beezly> Nermal: are you running hoary or warty?
[10:40] <HiddenWolf> beezly: check your mixers
[10:40] <HiddenWolf> same for nermal
[10:40] <myzt1qu3> how do i conf my modem???
[10:40] <housetier> myzt1qu3 it works the other way around: you tell us what modem you have and then we can try to help you
[10:40] <Nermal> hoary
[10:41] <Nermal> it was working yesterday
[10:41] <beezly> Nermal: I suspect you've hit the same problem as me
[10:41] <myzt1qu3> thanks
[10:41] <Nermal> I updated... had to disable esd
[10:41] <stvn> Nermal: you got polypaudio update?
[10:41] <myzt1qu3> i have a tornado 56k
[10:41] <Nermal> now I've updated again and re-enabled it
[10:41] <housetier> myzt1qu3 however asking too often is very annoying
[10:41] <stvn> Nermal: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6582
[10:41] <myzt1qu3> in one of my pci
[10:41] <Nermal> stvn, just updated now
[10:41] <stvn> Nermal: hoary is chanin from esd to polypaudio, but apparently there are some problems related to it
[10:42] <housetier> myzt1qu3 do you have experience with linux or friends that have more experience
[10:43] <stvn> Nermal: I more or less lost my sound as well, but trying a bit gave me sound for rhythmbox and bmp at least
[10:43] <beezly> right, brb
[10:44] <myzt1qu3> is there anyone who can help me with my modem conf
[10:44] <myzt1qu3> ???
[10:44] <beezly> hah, weird... bonobo just fixed itself for me!
[10:45] <beezly> myzt1qu3: what modem is it?
[10:45] <myzt1qu3> a simple 56k
[10:45] <myzt1qu3> tornado i think
[10:46] <beezly> not a winmodem?
[10:46] <P3L|C4N0> myzt1qu3, lspci
[10:46] <myzt1qu3> when i try the pon or wvdial the system replies with a
[10:47] <myzt1qu3> "unable to find folder or filename:/dev/modem
[10:47] <myzt1qu3> "
[10:47] <Nemesis__> myzt1qu3: external or internal?
[10:47] <spiral> hi
[10:47] <Nermal> gah
[10:47] <Nermal> what package is cc1plus in ?
[10:47] <myzt1qu3> internal
[10:47] <Nemesis__> bah so no flashing lights
[10:48] <Agrajag> Nermal: build-essential
[10:48] <Nermal> hmmm.. gah
[10:48] <Enflam3D_89> Is Ubuntu good?
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> Enflam3D_89: yes.
[10:48] <Nermal> stupid question
[10:48] <Nemesis__> myzt1qu3: onboard, AMR, or pci card?
[10:48] <Enflam3D_89> I am installing it on VMware.
[10:48] <Enflam3D_89> LOL
[10:48] <housetier> Nermal "dpkg -S cc1plus" hints at g++
[10:48] <myzt1qu3> pci
[10:48] <Agrajag> Enflam3D_89: what answer do you think you will get, asking here?
[10:48] <Enflam3D_89> I heard it only comes with GNOME.
[10:48] <Nermal> OLOLOLOLOMGWTFBBQ
[10:48] <Enflam3D_89> Does KDE work well on it?
[10:48] <Nermal> o_|/
[10:48] <myzt1qu3> pci
[10:48] <Nermal> housetier, I've install g++ .. no dice :|
[10:48] <Nemesis__> myzt1qu3: under Windows; does it come up as COM1 or COM2?
[10:49] <Agrajag> Nermal: build-essential
[10:49] <Enflam3D_89> :(
[10:49] <Enflam3D_89> Does KDE work well under Ubuntu?
[10:49] <Nermal> Agrajag, installed
[10:49] <beezly> P3L|C4N0: ooh yeah, I didn't think of that.
[10:49] <beezly> Nermal: g++<version>
[10:49] <Nermal> still no cc1plus :|
[10:49] <housetier> Nermal which problem are you trying to solve that you need cc1plus for?
[10:49] <Nermal> housetier, vmware module compilation
[10:49] <Nermal> it compiled just before I patched it
[10:49] <Nermal> and now it's dead :(
[10:50] <Nermal> gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory
[10:50] <housetier> Nermal have you tried to reinstall g++?
[10:51] <housetier> Nermal are you trying to compile a module for vmware?
[10:51] <Nermal> ok
[10:51] <Nermal> that was odd
[10:52] <beezly> Nermal: what's the patch? maybe it's doing the wrong thing. cc1plus is in your g++ package underl /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux/<version>
[10:52] <Nermal> I symlinked g++ to cc1plus and it compiled .. I think it may be a bug in the vmware patch
[10:52] <Nermal> *removes ugly as hell symlink*
[10:52] <beezly> i think so too ;)
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> vmware compiler is crack
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> well, compile system
[10:53] <housetier> I have /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/cc1plus and /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux/3.4.4/cc1plus, from g++-3.3 and g++-3.4 resp.
[10:54] <myzt1qu3> does anyone know how can i conf my winmodem???
[10:54] <shock> http://insitu.lri.fr/~chapuis/metisse/ <--- lolo @ desktop
[10:54] <d3vic3> myzt1qu3, www.linmodems.org
[10:54] <shock> u guy think it might run on powerpc?
[10:54] <shock> :P
[10:55] <xsnakex> hello
[10:55] <myzt1qu3> thanks d3vic3
[10:55] <Nermal> myzt1qu3, how many times do you want to ask that question ?
[10:55] <myzt1qu3> :)
[10:55] <Nemesis__> shock: looks kinda like SphereXP
[10:56] <housetier> or looking glass
[10:56] <oz> Anyone think installing hoary on a dev box w/sata nvidia2 chipset is a bad/good idea?
[10:56] <Nermal> ahh.. /ignore :)
[10:56] <xsnakex> hello houstier
[10:58] <gus_m> hi all
[11:06] <Nermal> for streaming anyway
[11:10] <Nermal> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate <-- any idea how I would go about installing that ?>
[11:11] <oz>  sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts ?
[11:11] <Nermal> also.. anyone know how to boot the ubuntu kernel with himem support ?
[11:11] <Nermal> oz, that's what produces that error
[11:12] <snowblink> Nermal: apt-get update
[11:12] <Nermal> snowblink, just done that :|
[11:12] <dredg> Section: multiverse/x11
[11:12] <Nermal> any idea why the ubuntu kernels aren't himem support enabled by default ?
[11:13] <dredg> msttcorefonts are in multiverse.
[11:13] <dredg> is*
[11:13] <Nermal> ah..
[11:13] <Nermal> I thought I had that in my sources
[11:13] <Nermal> hmm
[11:14] <bborkk> Anyone have scientific plotting capabilities working with matplotlib or scipy under Hoary?
[11:14] <Nermal> dredg, thanks :)
[11:14] <aurax> hello
[11:14] <aurax> where can i get ubuntu's installed applications list
[11:14] <aurax> ?
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg --list
[11:15] <shock> in synaptic - "installed"
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> that too
[11:15] <shock> thats more GUI
[11:15] <shock> :P
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> yes :)
[11:15] <aurax> is it listed somewhere
[11:15] <oz> Has anyone run hoary on a asus a7n8x mb (nv2 chipset) with sata?....
[11:18] <prego> Which font is used for "Sans"? I wish I could make it "point" to "Bitstream Vera Sans"...
[11:19] <andy> i want to install the 6629 Nvidia driver..how do i run as root to install?
[11:19] <aurax> su
[11:19] <prego> andy, sudo
[11:19] <oz> sudo -
[11:19] <neil__> sudo su
[11:20] <andy> thankies..brb
[11:20] <prego> andy, sudo nvidia-installer ?
[11:25] <andy> #ubuntu
[11:26] <tweek> pwned
[11:26] <tweek> your already here :)
[11:27] <andy> ok sudo worked..but now it wants me to exit x-server..cant seem to do it the same way as Fedora
[11:28] <oz> ctrl-shit-backspac
[11:28] <andy> lol shit?
[11:28] <andy> ok thx i try that..but i'll use shift instead
[11:29] <oz> oop - strl-alt-backspace...
[11:29] <Nemesis__> i aws gonna say...
[11:29] <symbiont_> yay! hoary live works!
[11:30] <oz> 4th beck's.... getting to me.
[11:30] <Nemesis__> wondering if hoary livecd will do widescreen ... hehe
[11:32] <andy> i cant run the install from a root terminal window..how do i get a command prompt like screen..i used to use just "init 3" that dont seem to work
[11:32] <symbiont_> wow, firefox downloaded and installed flash, but sound is lacking
[11:33] <andy> sorry if i am being a pain..am about 3 hrs old on warty
[11:34] <andy> never used debian before
[11:36] <andy> ok here is where i am at..have Nvidia 6629 and want to install..i need to exit x-server to run the install..ctl+alt+backspace gets me the log in screen..what option from there do i need to run the install
[11:36] <symbiont_> andy, which install are you referring to?
[11:36] <andy> the 1.0-6629 Nvidia Linux driver
[11:36] <symbiont_> oh, login as your user and use sudo
[11:37] <reed_> does anyone know how to get hoary sound juicer to rip CDs to mp3?
[11:37] <andy> should i be able to install from a terminal window?
[11:37] <oz> you've obviously read the install guide - telling you to goto single user mode.
[11:38] <oz> I've installed while in multiuser mode w/o anyone else logged in w/o probs.
[11:39] <oz> init 5. Though not on ubuntu.
[11:40] <oz> just open a terminal session and run it - sh nv-instal....
[11:43] <andy> damn it keeps telling to exit x-server
[11:46] <andy> can i log in to a text mode..not gnome?
[11:47] <spiral> hi
[11:48] <andy> gday
[11:48] <spiral> hmmm... ipw2200 broken on hoary or is it only me ?
[11:48] <Nermal> I think someone else was having trouble with it
[11:49] <spiral> Nermal: all right, so I'm not alone...
[11:49] <spiral> It says load failed : Reason -2 & Can't accept firmware 0xFFFFFFFFF
[11:52] <spiral> anyone here know if I can do something to get it working, except praying for an update of linux-restricted-modules ? :-)
[11:56] <Nermal> spiral, yup.. guy with same problem was here yesterday
[11:57] <spiral> Nermal: and do you know if he got some answer ?
[11:58] <Nermal> he didn't :|
[11:58] <spiral> Nermal: :-/
[11:58] <oz> andy, did you work out how to kill x yet?
[11:59] <spiral> Nermal: I suppose this is a bug with latest linux-restricted-modules or smth like this, because it worked fine a few days ago
[12:01] <snowblink> Andy: CTRL+ALT+F1 to F6 will drop you into a text tty
[12:01] <oz> snowblink, x will still be running in the background
[12:02] <Nermal> spiral, aye
[12:02] <snowblink> Andy: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:02] <andy> thx
[12:02] <oz> or kdm stoo if you are running k
[12:02] <oz> damn - typing's getting worse......
[12:05] <oz> hey - looks like andy's worked it out ;) ...
[12:05] <Nermal> are there any gaim smiley themes in apt ?
[12:08] <andy> thx that worked..but now it says i am missing a package called "CC"..lol i cant win
[12:08] <andy> can install without that there
[12:08] <oz> can or can't?
[12:09] <spiral> Nermal: should I post it to bugzilla, or do you know if people are already working on it ?
[12:09] <andy> cant..i get a nvidia screen comming up in the install saying i am missing a package
[12:09] <mafix\nti> hi :] 
[12:10] <andy> should i look for it in the synaptic?
[12:10] <housetier> andy whats the error message`
[12:11] <andy> brb i do it again and write it down
[12:11] <Nermal> hm.. what do I install to get java applet support in firefox ?
[12:11] <tweek> goto the sun website
[12:11] <tweek> www.sun.com
[12:11] <tweek> and install the appropriate item
[12:11] <Nermal> good grief
[12:12] <Nermal> very helpful
[12:12] <tweek> ya =\
[12:12] <Nermal> what would I do without you
[12:12] <tweek> uhh
[12:12] <tweek> dunno
[12:12] <oz> see: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[12:13] <oz> download jre from : http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[12:13] <Nermal> ta
[12:13] <snowblink> Nermal: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[12:13] <tweek> o, ubuntu needs to get more support for amd64 =\
[12:14] <Nermal> snowblink, aye. found it .. F3 is my friend :)
[12:15] <tahorg> hi
[12:15] <tahorg> gnome-session is broken in hoary ?
[12:16] <Nermal> tahorg, um.. update the esd stuff
[12:16] <stanic> how can i test the 3d engine?
[12:16] <edulix> glxgears
[12:17] <stanic> thaks :-)
[12:17] <edulix> :)
[12:17] <tahorg> Nermal: it works :)
[12:17] <tahorg> Nermal: thanks
[12:18] <Nemesis__> Nermal: i made a .deb of sun jre somewhere...
[12:20] <Nemesis__> http://www.realmtech.net/debian/pool-i386/sun-j2re1.4_1.4.2+06_i386.deb
[12:20] <andy> Unable to find the developent tool ~cc" in your path;  please make sure that you have the package `gcc` installed.  if `gcc` is installed on your system, then please make check that `cc` is in your path
[12:20] <andy> oops `cc` there at the start
[12:21] <housetier> andy do you have the package "build-essential" installed?
[12:21] <andy> cant tell you without looking..i let the machine do a default install..i look now
[12:22] <Nemesis__> andy: dpkg -l build-essential
[12:22] <andy> ah ok
[12:23] <andy> nope
[12:23] <Nemesis__> you'll need it to compile anything
[12:23] <andy> should that have gone on the install by default?
[12:23] <Nemesis__> no
[12:23] <Nemesis__> most people don't need to build shit
[12:24] <raghu> any shorewall experts????
[12:24] <Nemesis__> they just apt-get it
[12:24] <andy> i tend to break more than i build
[12:24] <Nemesis__> raghu: whats the problem..
[12:24] <bellissima> hello
[12:24] <Nermal> Nemesis__, done :)
[12:24] <bellissima> ya kk1??
[12:24] <bellissima> http://www.cotedeporc.org/team_concept/DVD_moins_cher.free.fr pb
[12:24] <bellissima> you and me
[12:24] <bellissima> no??
[12:24] <Nemesis__> i'd hardly consider myself a shorewall expert, but i've broken it enough times to know a bit...
[12:24] <bellissima> What??
[12:24] <Nemesis__> Nermal: that deb work for ya?
[12:25] <bellissima> i dont understand
[12:25] <raghu> Nemesis__: Rule "DNAT net loc:192.168.0.5 tcp 80 - IPaddress" added ....is this rule correct  for redirecting all requests coming to ipaddress:80 to 192.168.0.5:80
[12:26] <raghu> Nemesis__: "DNAT net loc:192.168.0.5 tcp 80 - public-IPaddress" ....is this rule correct  for redirecting all requests coming to ipaddress:80 to 192.168.0.5:80
[12:27] <Nemesis__> asking once is enough
[12:27] <oz> andy: when you su do you use 'su -' ?
[12:27] <Nemesis__> i've never seen a "DNAT" rule.... I use the following to foreward https to a machine in my lan:
[12:27] <Nemesis__> ACCEPT          sat     loc:10.1.1.5    tcp     https   -               all
[12:27] <Nemesis__> my "sat" probably is your "net"
[12:28] <raghu> Nemesis__: i will see..just a sec
[12:28] <Nemesis__> i thought rules could only be ACCEPT, DROP, or REJECT .... but maybe im running an older version of shorewall
[12:29] <raghu> Nemesis__: https...instead that can i give some other port
[12:29] <Nemesis__> raghu: replace 'https' with 'http' or '80'
[12:29] <raghu> Nemesis__: ok
[12:33] <Nemesis__> nite all
[12:33] <raghu> Error: Only DNAT and REDIRECT rules may specify destination mapping; rule "ACCEPT net loc:192.168.0.5 tcp 80 - all"
[12:34] <raghu> Nemesis__: no luck
[12:39] <jacquesmerde> jdub, volume control still wont open, even after a reboot
[12:40] <jdub> weird
[12:41] <andy> ok ..that got me a whole new error screen..now the nvidia installer says it cant find the kernel source tree and says i should add `--kernel source-path` option to the command line
[12:41] <jacquesmerde> jdub, maybe its time for the only sysadmin trick i know, reinstalling the entire distro from scratch
[12:42] <Nermal> install the kernel source
[12:43] <oly> hi, is there anyway to make sure all default packages are installed in ubuntu with out knowing what they are ?
[12:43] <jacquesmerde> jdub, doubt it'll fix my sound problem, but at least i'll be able to run volume control (even though it'll have become redundant)
[12:43] <jdub> jacquesmerde: erk :|
[12:43] <mpq> I need help from someone
[12:44] <jdub> oly: install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[12:44] <mpq> I want to do away with windoze
[12:44] <oly> okay thanks
[12:44] <mpq> but I can't because of my sister
[12:44] <mpq> something happened today that convinced me there is absolutely NO reason to keep windoze on my laptop
[12:44] <jacquesmerde> jdub, so all those output messages i showed you, did they suggest something had gone wrong, but something not wrong with polyp? or did everything look fine and the problem could be far more facile?
[12:45] <jacquesmerde> mpq, you dropped your laptop off the top of a building?
[12:45] <mpq> no
[12:45] <mpq> I spent three hours trying to install a game
[12:45] <mpq> and it waited until everything was registered before it told me the graphics card was incompatible
[12:45] <mpq> so I am pissed
[12:46] <mpq> and I realized that my laptop is not a gaming machine
[12:46] <tweek> cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom0 file.iso would this burn an iso image and be bootable?
[12:46] <mpq> so there's no reason to keep windoze on it
[12:46] <oz> andy: dont' believe it - it's messing with your head.
[12:46] <mpq> but I have a snag
[12:46] <mjr> tweek, if file.iso is bootable :)
[12:47] <mpq> does anyone know if it's at all possible to run the sims 2 in anything other than xp?
[12:47] <jdub> jacquesmerde: no, just status
[12:47] <jacquesmerde> jdub. no? which no? what do you mean just status?
[12:47] <oz> andy: when you do su use "su -". that will put you in su mode with your path's set.
[12:48] <jdub> jacquesmerde: it's nothing wrong, polypaudio is just noisy about status atm
[12:49] <jacquesmerde> jdub...is polypaudio noisy about status with EVERYone?
[12:49] <zeuclas> mpq: try using an emulator if you want to play games
[12:49] <fsc> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=139690&cid=11697093
[12:50] <zeuclas> like wine or something
[12:50] <jdub> jacquesmerde: at the moment, yes
[12:50] <robodex> ...I came on to ask something, and then suddenly the problem went away
[12:51] <jacquesmerde> jdub, since we cant determine anything wrong, and since our fiddling seems to have disabled sound volume, and i only installed this distro a few hours ago....recommend a fresh array4 install? or go back to a warty install where i have plenty of sound?
[12:51] <jdub> jacquesmerde: we have determined that it's not polypaudio
[12:51] <jdub> jacquesmerde: you can successfully play sounds, you just can't hear them atm
[12:51] <pfefferkeks> hi, can someone tell me the pakename to remove gnome?
[12:52] <jacquesmerde> thats like saying you can chew perfectly, but unfortunately you dont have a stomach
[12:53] <fsc> i get gnome sounds, but still can't play mp3s
[12:53] <biatche> A laptop, a floppy, an external cdrom (usb), 3 boot options: floppy,cdrom,hd. Is there a way i can get ubuntu installed?
[12:53] <zeuclas> use mp3blaster then
[12:53] <andy> i dont know whats worse..trying to get nvidia driver installed in warty or trying to install gentoo
[12:54] <zeuclas> it plays mp3 very well
[12:54] <jacquesmerde> jdub...thats it, i'm gonna reinstall. heads i reinstall array4, tails i reinstall warty
[12:54] <zeuclas> works perfectly on gnome
[12:54] <oz>   bye all
[12:57] <biatche> So.........
[12:57] <biatche> is cdrom the only option available........
[12:59] <jacquesmerde> biatche, can you boot of a usb cdrom?
[01:01] <biatche> no
[01:02] <biatche> else i would
[01:02] <jacquesmerde> biatche, so what are you going to do?
[01:02] <jacquesmerde> my laptop has a cdrom drive that you have to take the floppy out to put in, and you certainly cant boot from it, so i'm more screwed than you
[01:04] <edulix> hey
[01:04] <edulix> anyone having problems with jabber servers?
[01:05] <realist_> hello, i was adviced to install ubuntu on my old laptop, is ubuntu light-weight for old hardware ?
[01:05] <biatche> So....... and well................. what do i do now... haha.
[01:05] <jacquesmerde> how much ram you got realist_?
[01:06] <realist_> 64MB and a pentium2 300 Mhz
[01:07] <hikaru79> I've run Ubuntu on worse; you're me OK
[01:07] <hikaru79> *you'll be
[01:07] <^della^> r irc.le.lt
[01:07] <realist_> i am running mandrake 10 with KDE 3 now and its horrible
[01:07] <biatche> so anyone got a clue how to install ubuntu onto a laptop with usb cdrom, without that as a boot option however....
[01:08] <mjr> realist_, I'd perhaps install xfce4 instead of gnome after the base install
[01:08] <mjr> that 64 megs of RAM is somewhat little
[01:08] <realist_> so ur saying, i remove kde and put xfce4 instead ?
[01:10] <mjr> well, what I was saying was install ubuntu, then install xfce4 and use it instead of gnome, but that probably works too ;)
[01:11] <pppinguin> Hi, I want to begin and say, I just tried out unbuntu linux, and it's great, I realy like it, solid feeling(Niiiice packet manager), fast, and with gnooome(don't you just hate kde's plottering things, they are everywhere, everrrywhere) :;)), but I have a problem, i'm trying to setup NFS, and I always get connection refused by portmapper.. this is my setup so far:
[01:12] <pppinguin> /etc/hosts.allow
[01:12] <pppinguin> portmap: ALL : allow
[01:12] <pppinguin> lockd: ALL : allow
[01:12] <pppinguin> rquotad: ALL : allow
[01:12] <pppinguin> mountd: ALL : allow
[01:12] <pppinguin> statd: ALL : allow
[01:12] <pppinguin> /etc/exports
[01:12] <pppinguin> /home/nfs_share 198.168.0.(rw,ro,sync,insecure)
[01:12] <pppinguin> /home/nfs_share 127.0.0.1(rw,ro,sync,insecure)
[01:12] <pppinguin> sorry for spam ;(
[01:12] <pppinguin> :)
[01:14] <hagrid> Try rpc2portmap: ALL : allow ??
[01:14] <raghu> any shorewall experts
[01:14] <hagrid> (without the question marks at the end)
[01:14] <raghu> any shorewall experts?
[01:16] <shock> not me
[01:18] <selinium_> hi all, how do you copy directories using the terminal?
[01:19] <selinium_> ALso cheers to all those that helped me mounting the windows directory
[01:19] <Ribs> selinium_: man cp
[01:22] <Jeremy_D> hello all
[01:23] <Jeremy_D> hows everyone
[01:23] <selinium_> Ribs: I am using this command but it omits the source directory : sudo cp /media/windows/swamp/www /var/www
[01:23] <Ribs> try with the -r switch
[01:23] <selinium_> hi Jeremy_D
[01:24] <LinuxJones> morning Jeremy_D
[01:24] <Jeremy_D> hello howdy :D
[01:26] <selinium_> Ribs: it seems to be doing something! :)
[01:28] <Jeremy_D> gosh i wish i could figure out these silly themes lol
[01:29] <tsjubu> yesterday a lot of people had had prob to loggin
[01:29] <tsjubu> is that fix now
[01:29] <tsjubu> th?
[01:29] <tsjubu> ?
[01:30] <tsjubu> is that fixed now?
[01:30] <Cerbeertje> Jeremy_D, what themes ;)
[01:30] <jdub> tsjubu: it was a bug in libesd0
[01:30] <jdub> tsjubu: if you've upgraded that recently, you should be fine
[01:30] <Jeremy_D> http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/778/
[01:30] <tsjubu> ok thx
[01:31] <Cerbeertje> Jeremy_D, how to install them you mean right? Take a look here http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[01:31] <Jeremy_D> yeah im trying to install them :P
[01:32] <Cerbeertje> but it is not working?
[01:33] <Jeremy_D> omg! it worked thank you so freaking much!!!!
[01:33] <Jeremy_D> shite that is awesome
[01:34] <Cerbeertje> lol
[01:34] <Cerbeertje> i actually helped someone :)
[01:34] <Jeremy_D> heck yeah
[01:34] <Jeremy_D> awesome
[01:34] <Cerbeertje> i'm just using linux for 2 days
[01:34] <Cerbeertje> ::)
[01:35] <selinium_> Cheers Ribs, it worked a treat!
[01:36] <Jeremy_D> i was trying to install the wrong thing, in the wrong place... like i was trying to install an application theme in a windows border thingo
[01:36] <selinium_> what is the terminal command to move a file, please! I too have been using linux for two days!
[01:36] <Tomcat_> selinium_: mv
[01:36] <selinium_> Cheers Tomcat
[01:36] <Tomcat_> :>
[01:37] <Cerbeertje> i make those mistakes all the time Jeremy_D
[01:37] <selinium_> While i am at it, what is the terminal command for delete file!
[01:37] <Cerbeertje> my last stupid mistake was
[01:37] <Cerbeertje> installing something manually
[01:37] <Cerbeertje> and it was in apt-get list
[01:37] <Cerbeertje> ;)
[01:38] <Jeremy_D> .l.
[01:38] <Jeremy_D> lol
[01:38] <selinium_> Tomcat_ While i am at it, what is the terminal command for delete file!
[01:39] <wdh> does anyone have any experience with the update manager not updating when i tell it to? It notifies me of the available updates nicely, but i cannot install them directly through the update manager..
[01:40] <Cerbeertje> selinium_, it is $rm "filename"
[01:40] <Cerbeertje> i think ;)
[01:40] <selinium_> thanx Cerbeertje!
[01:41] <Cerbeertje> np ;)
[01:42] <Jeremy_D> i am so excited about this, windows has nothing as supreme as the customisations this has
[01:42] <Jeremy_D> wow
[01:42] <Jeremy_D> to get these sort of features you must pay companies outrageous amounts just to change icons and things badly
[01:42] <jdub> Jeremy_D: ;)
[01:43] <Jeremy_D> gosh i am on a mission now to make it look like a mac hahaha
[01:43] <njan> Jeremy_D, welcome to the world of Free Software :)
[01:43] <Cerbeertje> :)
[01:43] <Jeremy_D> ive been using linux for almost two years, i just only recently started using it seriously and only recently have i made progress in understanding..
[01:43] <Cerbeertje> yeah you can make it look pretty cool
[01:44] <Jeremy_D> my first attempts were just experimenting/trying out
[01:44] <Jeremy_D> yeah pretty awesome
[01:44] <Cerbeertje> i just threw my windows partition away
[01:44] <Cerbeertje> :)
[01:44] <haggai> pppinguin: edit /etc/default/portmap and add your network address
[01:45] <Jeremy_D> i can now point out features that ubuntu has over windows xp
[01:45] <Jeremy_D> you know what i dont understand is, how can small groups, doing trades of code can make more progress than a huge company like microsoft
[01:46] <Jeremy_D> they are their own worst enemy
[01:46] <Cerbeertje> http://www.dnaresearch.com.au/images/linux/dual_head_3200x1200_2.jpg
[01:47] <Cerbeertje> how the hell do you make that thing with disk status load etc... appear?
[01:47] <Get> Anyone here that uses mathematica in ubuntu horay?
[01:47] <Get> hoary*
[01:48] <Zotnix> Beertje|GONE, the thin on the left?
[01:48] <Zotnix> Ah... okay
[01:48] <Beertje|GONE> yes Zotnix
[01:48] <Zotnix> grekllm
[01:48] <aplsin> bash: make-kpkg: command not found
[01:49] <aplsin> what do i need to install to get make-kpkg?
[01:49] <tezza> i upgraded to hoary and my whole system is fux0red ;o(
[01:50] <aplsin> tezza, well hoary IS beta :D
[01:50] <jdub> aplsin: kernel-package
[01:50] <spiral> aplsin: apt-file search is quite usefull
[01:50] <tezza> i was told it was pretty stable
[01:50] <pppinguin> haggai, hmm, thanks, trying your things, havn't succeded so far, just checking syntax, and such it accepts, (-i x.x.x.x/24 or x.x.x or -i x.x.x.x), (can't find anyywhere what that -i does, but I think it is inteference... anyway, thx, for suggestion, still trying :)
[01:50] <aplsin> spiral, bash: apt-file: command not found :D
[01:51] <spiral> aplsin: apt-get install apt-file
[01:51] <pfefferkeks> hi
[01:51] <aplsin> spiral, thanx :)
[01:51] <Zotnix> Oops
[01:51] <Zotnix> gkrellm
[01:51] <pfefferkeks> in debian I have the tool modconf, is there anything with the same funktion onder ubuntu?
[01:51] <Zotnix> I can never spell it right
[01:53] <CarlK> modprobe snd-es18xx erros with "ESS AudioDrive ES18xx soundcard not found or device busy"
[01:53] <phill``> hi, is anyone here running 5.04-array 4 (xorg) with ati binary drivers?
[01:54] <CarlK> my guess is it isnt found because of a missing modules.conf parameter or something
[01:55] <Zotnix> CarlK, did you see if anything is using your sound device?
[01:55] <pppinguin> haggai, tried your things, in all sort of combination's, did not succed.. one of the odd thigns are is that I succed to mount it locally, on the ubuntu dist, but I fail with gentoo/mac os x, and all other in my network.. I still get Rpc connection refused.
[01:56] <deki_> hallo all
[01:56] <CarlK> Zotnix - how would i check?
[01:56] <deki_> where to get recent hoary package repositories
[01:56] <Zotnix> CarlK, lsof /dev/dsp
[01:56] <Nermal> how do I get himem support enabled in the ubuntu kernel ?
[01:56] <Nermal> is there a kernel parameter I can pass ?
[01:57] <SiRrUs> good morning guys
[01:57] <phill``> hi
[01:59] <Jeremy_D> SiRrUs, good morning!@
[01:59] <SiRrUs> topic even
[01:59] <deki_> i have big problems with performance of the system
[01:59] <deki_> the windows are drawed with delays from up to bottom
[01:59] <deki_> on the mandrake 10.1 with 2.6.3 kernel there are no such things
[01:59] <Jeremy_D> its actually like almost 11PM in OZ
[02:00] <deki_> i think that it is a preemption kernel
[02:00] <deki_> how to switch a preemption off?
[02:00] <SiRrUs> thurs?
[02:00] <deki_> or can you give me some tips how to builg and INTEGRATE vanilla kernel into ubuntu?
[02:00] <bob2> deki_: I really doubt it's the problem
[02:00] <bob2> if your kernel is a bottleneck, file a bug
[02:00] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[02:01] <SiRrUs> hello da_bon_bon
[02:01] <deki_> bob2, oh really?
[02:01] <deki_> bob2, lol
[02:01] <rat3idea> Hey everyone, I got a question about getting video out on a laptop working
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> brb. need to logout and back in.
[02:01] <deki_> bob2, and how should i know wht is wrong with it?
[02:01] <deki_> bob2, when i load mandrake kernel with ubuntu everything works just fine
[02:02] <SiRrUs> deki_ mandrake 10.1 was the slowest for me
[02:02] <deki_> SiRrUs, i am talking about mandrake 10.0
[02:02] <deki_> not 10.1
[02:02] <Zotnix> SiRrUs, heh, was the fastest for me.
[02:03] <deki_> SiRrUs, with kernel 2.6.3
[02:03] <deki_> now i have kernel 2.6.10-3-k7 with all the stupid patches which perverted it from vanilla
[02:03] <rat3idea> I have the intel 82855 integrated graphics card and was wondering if there was any way to get the video out working with the liveCD
[02:03] <SiRrUs> deki_ and 10.0 is even slower
[02:03] <deki_> SiRrUs, i have exotic hardware
[02:03] <deki_> SiRrUs, then ubuntu is much more slower
[02:03] <lonewolff> does anyone know why sound would just stop working after turning a machine off/on ?
[02:03] <deki_> SiRrUs, look
[02:03] <deki_> SiRrUs, i can see how it draws windows even with nvidia driver enabled!
[02:04] <deki_> and hardware accel
[02:04] <deki_> ok
[02:04] <SiRrUs> deki_ then why not just use Mandrake???
[02:04] <deki_> i will solve this problem myself, another question: what is the default burning app for ubuntu
[02:04] <deki_> SiRrUs, i will do it maybe
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:06] <bob2> deki_: then file a bug saying that
[02:07] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon hello
[02:07] <bob2> deki_: you know of every patch the ubuntu kernel team has applied and you know that every one is "stupid"?
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: now, sound is ok.
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: here ?
[02:07] <deki_> bob2, all patches are not nescesarry
[02:07] <shock> hmpf - I got trouble with this polypaudio crap
[02:07] <SiRrUs> yep
[02:07] <shock> *grml*
[02:07] <tweek> whats a good place for lexmark drivers =\
[02:07] <LinuxJones> Ubuntu Hoary review for anybody interested >> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3475
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> shock: wait, i got a link..
[02:08] <deki_> bob2, i have got an experience that vanilla kernel runs much better as the kernel with 1000 patches in it!
[02:08] <deki_> bob2, i am using linux long enough to state that
[02:08] <shock> anything would be nice
[02:08] <bob2> deki_: then file a bug
[02:08] <shock> I tried the stuff in the forums to no avail
[02:08] <bob2> deki_: but you're obviously wrong saying they are "stupid"
[02:08] <deki_> bob2, are you a robot?
[02:08] <shock> rhythmbox would only work if I select alsa as output
[02:08] <deki_> bob2, they are not stupid
[02:08] <deki_> bob2, but bloared
[02:08] <deki_> ted
[02:08] <bob2> deki_: are you making unsubstantiated claims because you're annoyed?
[02:08] <deki_> bob2, what should i complain about?
[02:09] <deki_> bob2, i will try another kernels
[02:09] <bob2> deki_: you seem to think it's slower
[02:09] <deki_> bob2, and then when i found out what causes the slowdown i will fil a bug , ok?
[02:09] <da_bon_bon> shock: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[02:09] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, read it... it was not a good review (it wasn't trying to be objective at all)
[02:09] <deki_> bob2, sure
[02:09] <shock> thx, will check that out
[02:09] <deki_> bob2, it is visually slower
[02:09] <da_bon_bon> sure, np
[02:09] <bob2> "visually" sounds awfully subjective
[02:09] <deki_> bob2, when you look at windows, they apper from bottom to down
[02:09] <bob2> that doesn't sound like a kernel issue
[02:10] <deki_> bob2, you can see how the window is slowly drowed
[02:10] <bob2> unless DRI somehow got disabled
[02:10] <njan> deki_, that doesn't sound like a kernel issue at all.
[02:10] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, yeah but it had some valid points like the color/naming schemes :D
 --- tried that allready - wont work
[02:10] <deki_> njan, what can it be then?
[02:10] <deki_> i think it is preemption issue
[02:10] <da_bon_bon> shock: ok. worked for me.
[02:10] <shock> :(
[02:10] <deki_> cause when i am beeing root
[02:10] <shock> hm
[02:10] <deki_> it works much quicker
[02:10] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, actually that is what I was referring to.
[02:10] <deki_> cause it don't get preempted
[02:10] <njan> deki_, that clearly demonstrates it isn't a kernel issue
[02:10] <deki_> i think the x server gets preempted
[02:10] <da_bon_bon> but bloody polyp / esd daemon dies after some time, and i need to logout and back in!
[02:10] <deki_> njan, rofl
[02:11] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, one that could be changed very easily and one that doesn't have any bearing on whether the system is good or not.
[02:11] <bob2> deki_: if it works better when you're root, then it is absolutely not a preemption issue
[02:11] <deki_> njan, what clearity of permissions??!!!
[02:11] <deki_> bob2, it is
[02:11] <deki_> bob2, there is not preemption for root
[02:11] <njan> deki_, try moving your home directory and replacing it with an empty folder, log off/on as you
[02:11] <bob2> no
[02:11] <njan> deki_, I virtually guarantee you the slowdown will have gone.
[02:11] <bob2> you're wrong in this case, sorry
[02:11] <deki_> njan, what ? there is nothing in there
[02:11] <bob2> the kernel scheduler doesn't know or care what your uid is
[02:11] <deki_> bob2, what can it be then?
[02:11] <deki_> bob2, sure it does
[02:11] <shock> Feb 17 14:11:24 localhost polypaudio[17410] : Module load failed. Module load failed.
[02:11] <shock> :(
[02:11] <deki_> bob2, there is different queue for root processes
[02:11] <njan> deki_, there are all of your gnome and gconf configurations in there. If you're having slowdown in gnome, that's almost certainly the issue.
[02:11] <deki_> bob2, i read some articles on it
[02:11] <bob2> deki_: no, there's not
[02:12] <bob2> deki_: unless you can point me at a section of code...
[02:12] <deki_> bob2, yes there it is
[02:12] <deki_> bob2, ok i will spent hours sutdiing the code
[02:12] <bob2> deki_: and which file should I look at?
[02:12] <bob2> or are you guessing?
[02:12] <bob2> url for the "article" then.
[02:12] <deki_> bob2, rofl
[02:12] <deki_> bob2, www.linux-magazine.de
[02:12] <CarlK> hoary - when I run shutdown, aimixer tries to run about 15 times... anyone know whats going on?
[02:12] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, The person who wrote it was obviously a KDE user.
[02:12] <deki_> bob2, i will send it to you , ok ?
[02:12] <deki_> bob2, give me your email address or similar
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: wrote what ? the hoary array4 review on madpenguin ?
[02:13] <bob2> deki_: no, show my the URL.
[02:13] <deki_> bob2, why the fuck i get no slowdown when i you mandrakes kernel
[02:13] <deki_> bob2, it is a magazine
[02:13] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, yeah
[02:13] <deki_> bob2, which is printed
[02:13] <pppinguin> Someone successfully setup NFSD, and other machines?.. got some settings to flood, and dont wish to spam the channel ^^
[02:13] <deki_> bob2, it is not in internet
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> linuxboy: that was /such/ a biased review.
[02:13] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, yeah. It is a sad day when a desktop manager specific distro gets a bad review because it uses a certain desktop manager
[02:13] <bob2> deki_: there are lots of differences between mandrake and ubunt kernels
[02:13] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, he seemed pretty happy once he added the universe repo tho :D
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: ubuntu is not for fools who dont read - he shouldve reaad that kde is in unuiverse, befor crying out loud
[02:14] <deki_> bob2, sure sure
[02:14] <bob2> deki_: I think it's highly premature to jump on one option which you don't seem to know much about
[02:14] <Zotnix> Maybe I should write a bad review for SimpleMephis because it defaults to KDE
[02:14] <deki_> bob2, it is vanilla
[02:14] <bob2> deki_: please file a bug if you think this is an issue
[02:14] <deki_> bob2, sure and you know everything
[02:14] <deki_> bob2, what should i write in a bug?
[02:14] <deki_> bob2, you crazy idiot
[02:14] <bob2> deki_: no, I don't know anything
[02:14] <bob2> I don't much about kernel stuff at all
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> the ubuntu kernels are in what way different from vanilla ?
[02:14] <bob2> but I'm 99% sure there is not a special schedulaer queue for uid 0
[02:14] <deki_> bob2, i go to ubuntu-devel
[02:14] <bob2> deki_: no, file a bug
[02:15] <bob2> this is not a development issue
[02:15] <deki_> bob2, about what?
[02:15] <deki_> it is and fuck you
[02:15] <LinuxJones> That's nice
[02:15] <Zotnix> bob2, wow, you sure have patience.
[02:15] <bob2> charming
[02:16] <SiRrUs> must be to early in the moring for him
[02:16] <pppinguin> it all went quiet now, mind if I spam my settings here on nfsd, or could someone join #flood at take a look at it?
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> ah, array5 is out ? 3 days late :P
[02:16] <SiRrUs> bob2 you handled that very well
[02:16] <SiRrUs> 3days late?
[02:16] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no, milestons are aiming for wednesdays
[02:17] <bob2> heh, thanks
[02:17] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon you said your sound shuts down after awhile and you have to log back in?
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> anyone using OOo2 (1.9) can tell me whether its worth the 69mb download or no ?
[02:18] <SiRrUs> bob2 yw
[02:18] <shock> g.r.e.a.t. ... ESD wont work nomore... alsasink or osssink seem to work :/
[02:18] <CarlK> da_bon_bon - you got Bit Torrent and a fast connection?
[02:18] <aplsin> how do i change the bakcground-colour in xchat?
[02:18] <shock> but only one app at a time
[02:18] <da_bon_bon> how do i reinstall packages using apt-get or dpkg ?
[02:18] <CarlK> I got OO 1.9 in 7min
 settings->preferences->colors
[02:19] <LinuxJones> aplsin,  settings >> interface >> colors
[02:19] <shock> haha - i was faster and more precise
[02:19] <shock> :P
[02:19] <LinuxJones> shock, you are the man !!
[02:19] <LinuxJones> :D
[02:21] <shock> no - i have no sound... no sound = no man
[02:21] <shock> *grml*
[02:22] <Zotnix> never heard a person do it.
[02:23] <shock> localhost polypaudio[17712] : Module load failed. <---- can anyone hint me to a clue?
[02:23] <Nermal> anyone know how to enable 4gb himem support in the ubuntu kernel ?
[02:24] <pppinguin> Ok, I post my settings here, cause then maybe someone notice something wrong, but it's abit floody, bu it's pretty quiet here, now, i'm sure you all dont mind ^^^^
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:24] <pppinguin> /etc/default/portmap
[02:24] <pppinguin> ARGS=?-i 192.168.0.1 (nfsd eth0 ip)
[02:24] <pppinguin> /etc/exports
[02:24] <pppinguin> /home/nfs_share 192.168.0.(rw,ro,sync,insecure)
[02:24] <pppinguin> /home/nfs_share 127.0.0.1(rw,ro,sync,insecure)
[02:24] <pppinguin> (192.168.0. is the subnet of the network, no firewall in between..)
[02:24] <pppinguin> /etc/hosts.allow
[02:24] <pppinguin> /etc/default/portmap
[02:24] <pppinguin> ARGS=?-i 192.168.0.1 (ip on the eth0..)
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> can anyopne suggest nice GRUB ubuntu-based splash for hoary ?
[02:24] <pppinguin> /etc/exports
[02:24] <pppinguin> portmap: ALL : allow
[02:24] <pppinguin> rpc2portmap: ALL : allow
[02:24] <pppinguin> lockd: ALL : allow
[02:24] <pppinguin> rquotad: ALL : allow
[02:24] <pppinguin> mountd: ALL : allow
[02:24] <pppinguin> statd: ALL : allow
[02:24] <pppinguin> thats it
[02:24] <LinuxJones> lol
[02:25] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> whats so funny ?
[02:25] <haggai> da_bon_bon: you asked about downloading OOo2.  If you've not got much bandwidth wait until 1.9.76 hits the archive
[02:26] <pppinguin> oh and I by the way, I forgot to post what I get for error msg, I get RPC- connection refused.
[02:26] <pppinguin> and on the local computer it works..
[02:26] <pppinguin> to mount that is :)
[02:27] <haggai> pppinguin: I'm just firing up my laptop where I have it working
[02:27] <pppinguin> great, great :)
[02:27] <dtygel> hi folks.
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> haggai: thats how many days wait ?
[02:27] <dtygel> I need some help: just started ubuntu. A new ubuntu user!
[02:27] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, did you allow portmap to listen on your network ?
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> also, is it ok to add the warty java reps. in hoary sources ?
[02:27] <haggai> da_bon_bon: depends on whether it builds.  It's currently building the 4th attempt
[02:28] <pppinguin> Linux notice the -i 192.168.0.1, it's my eth0 ip, so I think it could be listning..
[02:28] <haggai> pppinguin: ah, I just commented it out :)
[02:28] <haggai> #ARGS="-i 127.0.0.1"
[02:28] <pppinguin> hmm, I've tried that already, but I try again.
[02:28] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, no did you edit the portmap configuration file
[02:28] <pppinguin> LinuxJones, which?
[02:28] <haggai> pppinguin: and then /etc/init.d/portmap restart
[02:29] <pppinguin> ye, I do restart all my services, before, I try.. to be sure.
[02:29] <dtygel> hi: could anyone help me? 3 questions...
[02:31] <pppinguin> :q
[02:31] <pppinguin> oops
[02:31] <LinuxJones> dtygel, just ask :)
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> can anyopne suggest nice GRUB ubuntu-based splash for hoary ?
[02:32] <pppinguin> LinuxJones, which portmap conf file are you refearing to?
[02:32] <pppinguin> haggai, didn't work :(
[02:32] <dtygel> question #1: I have an old monitor, and want do set it 800x600. I did it in the configuration of gnome, but the icons are too big. Is there anything to do to make them smaller?
[02:32] <pppinguin> still same error..
[02:33] <e-Jah> lut
[02:33] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, /etc/default/portmap
[02:33] <pppinguin> LinuxJones Yes...
[02:33] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, haggai already pointed out what to do
[02:34] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, did it work ?
[02:34] <pppinguin> nope
[02:34] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, what service are you running again ?
[02:34] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, nfs ?
[02:34] <pppinguin> ye
[02:34] <dtygel> question#2 (very easy and stupid!) I've just installed ubuntu: i'm using it right now. The install process only asked me a login and password for normal user. What is the default password for the root?
[02:35] <Shimonn> hi, my network card doesn't work with ubuntu. the configuration is 100% correct. is posted here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9860 but it's still unsolved
[02:35] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, did you see the nfs hoto on the wiki ?
[02:35] <Phreakazoid> dtygel, there is none, you do root activities by putting "sudo " before the command, then typing your own password
[02:35] <pppinguin> yes, I followed it didnt work
[02:35] <pppinguin> I can mount it locally, but not when I try on antoher comp in my network
[02:36] <pppinguin> and I do not have a firewall
[02:36] <beezly> pppinguin: is the other machine running ubuntu?
[02:36] <pppinguin> no.. gentoo / mac ox x
[02:36] <pppinguin> os x
[02:36] <dtygel> thank you phreakazoid! so it's the same password as the one I set in the beginning: ok!
[02:37] <CarlK> dtygel - not really.
[02:37] <Nermal> dtygel, you can get root by doing sudo su but it's rarely needed
[02:37] <beezly> pppinguin: and what happens when you try to mount froma nother machine?
[02:37] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, your sure you ahve the server names correct when trying to mount ?
[02:37] <pppinguin> RPC - connection refused.
[02:37] <pppinguin> LinuxJones yes, I mount after ip
[02:37] <CarlK> dtygel - your pw is your pw, the one you set for your account.  that is the pw that sudo wants
[02:37] <dtygel> question #3 (difficult one): this question has to do with configuring a small network using samba. I think it would be best to talk to someone by IM? (this chat is quite busy right now)
[02:38] <Shimonn> my network works with MandrakeMove, Debian Woody, Ubuntu LiveCD ; but not with Gentoo LiveCD, Knoppix, Ubuntu ...
[02:38] <dtygel> Thanks Nermal. I got it;)
[02:38] <CarlK> dtygel - the missing key is that your username was added to /etc/sudoers
[02:38] <beezly> pppinguin: can you do rpcinfo -p on your nfs server?
[02:38] <pppinguin> here's whole line, just noticed i didn't mention something...
[02:39] <pppinguin> beezly same thing, hang on, i'll give you whole line
[02:39] <Nermal> Shimonn, boot with pci=noacpi noapic ?
[02:39] <LinuxJones> dtygel, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:39] <Shimonn> Nermal: with Ubunut ? how to do this ?
[02:40] <dtygel> linuxjones: I'll check the link: thank you very much!
[02:40] <Nermal> Shimonn, either edit it at the grub stage by hitting "e" and editing the kernel line in grub
[02:40] <LinuxJones> dtygel, GL :)
[02:40] <Nermal> or add the two to the end of the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:40] <binks> is it safe at the mo to upgrade to hoary
[02:41] <Shimonn> as it ? "linux pci=noacpi noapic"
[02:41] <Nermal> um
[02:41] <Nermal> kind of
[02:41] <dtygel> folks: I tried to "su" using the same password as the one I gave before. It didn't work!
[02:41] <pppinguin> when I do rpcinfo -p <nsfd server>.. rpcinfo: can't contact oprtmapper: RPC: remote system error - connection refused, when mount: RPC: remote system error - connection refused.
[02:41] <fsc> i upgraded to xorg last night, but noticed just now that x-window-system-core wants to upgrade from 4.3.0 to 6.8.1. so what's going on there. how come that wasn't a dependency when i upgraded to xorg?
[02:41] <binks> sudo instead of su
[02:41] <SiRrUs> dtygel sudo
[02:41] <Nermal> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-2-386 root=/dev/hda2 pci=noacpi noapic
[02:41] <Nermal> for example
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> how is esd vs. alsa vs. polypaudio /?
[02:42] <beezly> pppinguin: ok, but it works if you run it from the server itself?
[02:42] <Nermal> dtygel, it won't
[02:42] <pppinguin> beezly yes
[02:42] <Nermal> su is to gain root
[02:42] <Nermal> root account is disabled
[02:42] <SiRrUs> unless you set it up
[02:42] <beezly> pppinguin: do you have an /etc/default/portmap?
[02:42] <Nermal> sudo su just runs su as root so it won't ask for a password
[02:42] <beezly> on the server
[02:42] <pppinguin> beezly yes, i've uncommented it.
[02:42] <pppinguin> the -i 127.0.0.1
[02:42] <beezly> the -i blahblah
[02:42] <Shimonn> i fact the network seems to be up. i can *send* data, but not *receive* anything
[02:43] <beezly> did you restart portmap and nfs-kernel-server after that?
[02:43] <pppinguin> yes
[02:43] <LinuxJones> pppinguin, you restarted networking and services ?
[02:43] <pppinguin> yes..
[02:43] <beezly> pppinguin: just try it once more, make sure you stop nfs-kernel-server first, then portmap, then restart portmap, then nfs-kernel-server
[02:43] <pppinguin> #/bin/sh
[02:43] <pppinguin> sudo /etc/init.d/portmap restart
[02:43] <pppinguin> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:43] <pppinguin> sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
[02:43] <pppinguin> sudo mount -t nfs 127.0.0.1:/home/nfs_share /mnt/tmp
[02:43] <pppinguin> I do that all time, to verify it ;)
[02:44] <beezly> pppinguin: that won't work
[02:44] <pppinguin> which?
[02:44] <pppinguin> (trying stop)
[02:44] <dtygel> ok: so there is no "root" account. thank you.
[02:45] <dtygel> how about the 800x600 stuff: make icons smaller? does someone has a hint?
[02:45] <beezly> make sure you stop portmapper, then nfs, then restart portmap, then nfs
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> hey, hoary doesnt automagically dtect the mirror closest and fastest and download :(
[02:46] <fsc> da_bon_bon, i was getting 300kB+ on my upgrade to hoary the other night
[02:47] <oly> hi i have managed to mess up xorg a bit :p
[02:47] <oly> i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> fsc: i was getting 11-13kbps when updating to haoart
[02:47] <pppinguin> Still not working, Connection Refused, on remote computer.
[02:47] <beezly> pppinguin: has that helped?
[02:47] <rubixXx> whats up all
[02:47] <pppinguin> beezly no ^^
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> how do i set apt to automagically discover the nearest & fastest mirror ?
[02:47] <beezly> pppinguin: bugger
[02:49] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon are you asking about the mirrors for the install cds?
[02:49] <pppinguin> haggai, did you get nfsd with only ubuntu' comp's or you able to access it with others too?
[02:49] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, you need apt-spy
[02:50] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, I dunno if it can be made to work with ubuntu tho
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: no, the apt mirrors
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> the mirrors wiki page on ubuntu says that hoary users have that facility
[02:52] <shock> narf
[02:52] <shock> now this sound issue is something i would have loved not to have!
[02:52] <shock> *grml*
[02:52] <pppinguin> someone running nfsd with other comp's then only ubuntu's ?
[02:52] <shock> at least alsa and oss sinks seem to be working
[02:52] <beezly> pppinguin: i am
[02:53] <pppinguin> and ubuntu is the nfsd?
[02:53] <beezly> pppinguin: yes
[02:53] <pppinguin> hmm, did you do anything out of the ordinary, to get it to work?
[02:53] <beezly> pppinguin: nothing at all it "just worked"
[02:53] <pppinguin> cause I only get that RPC - connection, refused..
[02:53] <beezly> pppinguin: ah, hold on...
[02:53] <beezly> pppinguin: I'm rememebering something about OS X
[02:54] <pppinguin> Hmm.. I get it from my gentoo / ppc, aswell.. so it is a larger issue, i think
[02:54] <xiximkopp> hi there. i updated my hoary yesterday. now it uses polypaudio instead of esd. but it doesnt work anymore... i cant use esd or alsa as gstreamer backend... and when i run polypaudio from cli, i get this message: 'main.c: read() failed: No such file or directory'. any suggestions?
[02:55] <beezly> oh right, that doesn't sound like the problem I was thinking of
[02:55] <stvn> xiximkopp: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6582 <- like that?
 -- wanna join my club?
[02:55] <shock> same problem here
[02:56] <beezly> stvn: they ought to search bugzilla first, but nevermind :(
[02:56] <stvn> beezly: true
[02:58] <xiximkopp> thanks
[02:58] <xiximkopp> anybody know the current progress on usplash?
[02:59] <JustinChrist> namaste! I just wanted to say how happy i am with ubuntu...it's the only linux distro that i've been able to get to work completely...including sound/wi-fi on my dell latitude....
[03:00] <JustinChrist> not even distros that i payed for, including mandrake, fedora, suse, linspire, xandros....just to name a few.....thanks for a wonderful distro ;)
[03:00] <shock> hm... that polyaudio issue seems to be powerpc related :/
[03:01] <pussfeller> how was linspire
[03:02] <xiximkopp> is an alsa guru among you?
[03:03] <shock> alsa ?
[03:03] <shock> i hate alsa!
[03:03] <stvn> shock: update the bugreport with an x86 report ;)
[03:04] <shock> never got it to work the way i wanted back on my thinkpad 770
[03:04] <CarlK> xiximkopp - I am collecting sound card problems - what you got?
[03:04] <xiximkopp> lol, me too
[03:04] <shock> I am on powerpc
[03:04] <shock> I was acutally pretty happy with esd
[03:04] <shock> worked out-of-the-box on this powerbook
[03:05] <shock> i was really impressed when greeted by gnome-startup sounds
[03:05] <shock> but now.... back to osssink
[03:05] <shock> *sigh*
[03:05] <CarlK> worked out of the box for a toshiba 2600
[03:05] <xiximkopp> i have an via8237 sound chip integretated on my mainboard. cant get that stupid mixer working... i heard theres an softvol plugin in 1.0.8 but i couldnt set it up...
[03:05] <CarlK> even with a dlink 650 mystry wifi card
[03:07] <Babbage> Hi all, does anyone think they can point me in the right direction of help for my PPC installation that I can't complete ?
[03:07] <shock> ask me =)
[03:08] <shock> whats the problem Babbage?
[03:08] <Babbage> First, I'm a newb : )  -so that's likely part the prob at least !
[03:08] <shock> and the real problem ?
[03:09] <CarlK> xiximkopp - might want to read through all the notes: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=VIA&card=.&chip=VIA82C686%2C+VIA8233%2C+VIA8233A%2C+VIA8235&module=via82xx
[03:09] <CarlK> I got tired of reading ;)
[03:10] <Babbage> The install stalled with error related to /sbin/ini:429, corrected, I believe, by following directions on forum by 'Random JuJu' editing 'loadmodules' file in boot ramdisk
[03:10] <Semt-X> Sooo
[03:10] <SiRrUs> hmm everything works with array5
[03:10] <Semt-X> A working support channel, heaven
[03:11] <Babbage> Now when I reboot after part 1 of install I get an errorcat: proc/sys/kernel/real-root-dev: no such file or directory & so on & so forth
[03:11] <Babbage> I'm on PPC G4 machine BTW.
[03:11] <xiximkopp> CarlK, nope, no fix for my volume problem
[03:11] <CarlK> xiximkopp - rats
[03:12] <Semt-X> So, anyone have any solutions to get X to ignore my onboard RagePro and to use my PCI Voodoo3 3k?
[03:13] <xiximkopp> CarlK, yep
[03:13] <xiximkopp> CarlK, u dont know how to set up the softvol plugin?
[03:13] <shock> ximimkopp - I am running OSS as default sink now - at least my movies and rhythmbox have sound again
[03:14] <shock> should do untill the update comes
[03:14] <CarlK> xiximkopp - sorry, I am still at step one: get the module to load
[03:14] <xiximkopp> CarlK, which one?
[03:14] <evarlast> shock: ALSA is prefered if you can use it.
[03:14] <CarlK> modprobe snd-es18xx erros with "ESS AudioDrive ES18xx soundcard not found or device busy"
[03:15] <shock> why?
[03:15] <CarlK> dmesg shows "input: PC Speaker" - should that worry me?
[03:15] <evarlast> shock: OSS is depricated.  ALSA is more feature rich.
[03:15] <xiximkopp> CarlK, maybe ur ubuntu is as stupid as mine and loads also oss modules... i deleted them and made an depmod...
[03:16] <evarlast> shock: that said, your OSS usage is probably emulated by ALSA, so it is not a big deal.
[03:16] <shock> the only feature I want from my sound-system is: u guessed right - SOUND :)
[03:16] <shock> indeed
[03:16] <CarlK> I could go for a simple beep too
[03:16] <shock> lol
[03:17] <xiximkopp> sry should be alsa and oss
[03:17] <evarlast> shock: one thing that ALSA MAY give you that OSS may not is hardware mixing.  So you can play 2 sounds at once.
[03:17] <CarlK>  /usr/bin/speaker-test  wont even run
[03:17] <Semt-X> pc speaker is quite capable of playing wave
[03:18] <evarlast> Semt-X: there used to be OSS drivers for it even!  But PC speaker has never played it even remotely well.
[03:18] <Semt-X> true
[03:18] <CarlK> apparently mine is being used as a mike - guessing it is being used to spy on me
[03:18] <Semt-X> I still recall norton commander playing 5mb wave files through pc speaker
[03:19] <Semt-X> But since I seem to have the attention... ;)
[03:19] <Semt-X> How will Xconfig not use my onboard ati ragepro
[03:19] <Semt-X> and instead use my v3 3k
[03:20] <Semt-X> I know debian dont really like having multiple videocard in a system and all
[03:20] <evarlast> Semt-X: AFAIK there aren't any good "automatic" configuration tools for multiple video cards.
[03:21] <flosch> hi
[03:21] <Semt-X> evarlast, i know, but it's also quite tough to find -any- info on the subject
[03:21] <Semt-X> I do not fear manually editing files
[03:21] <evarlast> Semt-X: you best solution will be to manually configure the xorg/XFree file.
[03:21] <Semt-X> ;)^^^^
[03:21] <evarlast> Semt-X: I have done it.  I can help.
[03:22] <Semt-X> http://support.jp.dell.com/docs/systems/ban_gx1/specs.htm
[03:22] <Semt-X> Thats my box
[03:22] <Semt-X> the 400celeron version, X will not ignore the ati onboard
[03:22] <evarlast> Semt-X: you have add in voodoo3-3k?
[03:22] <Semt-X> PCI, yes
[03:22] <Semt-X> but xconfig just keeps on trying to use the ati
[03:23] <Semt-X> and disabling the ati via bios is a no-no
[03:23] <CarlK> how do I turn off ipV6?
[03:23] <evarlast> Semt-X: (somewhat) easy fix.
[03:23] <Semt-X> evarlast, for the chap who knows;)
[03:23] <evarlast> Semt-X: xorg or XFree86?
[03:23] <Semt-X> xf86
[03:24] <evarlast> CarlK: for i in `/sbin/ifconfig | grep '^\w' | awk '{print $1}'` ; do /sbin/ifconfig $i|grep inet6|awk '{print $3}'| xargs sudo /sbin/ifconfig $i del ; done
[03:24] <bob2> haha
[03:24] <bob2> ew
[03:25] <CarlK> in fact, I have a buch of modules loaded that I dont need: ipv6, usb, floppy, parport_pc... what loads them?
[03:25] <CarlK> evarlast - thanks...
[03:26] <evarlast> CarlK: unless you have only TINY amounts of memory, don't worry about those modules.
[03:26] <evarlast> Semt-X: edit your XF86Config file, and in your "device" section, change driver from "ati" to "tdfx"
[03:26] <CarlK> evarlast - 80 meg.. not "tiny", but just clogging up dmsg and logs and stuff
[03:27] <Semt-X> the thing is, i used the config prog to generate a XF86Config file and already stated tdfx as the driver to use
[03:27] <evarlast> CarlK: for floppy, parport, usb - it is probably hotplug or dbus seeing that you have a floppy, parport, usb and so it loads the modules to enable them.
[03:27] <CarlK> evarlast - trying to figure out why modprobe snd-es18xx errors
[03:28] <evarlast> Semt-X: its ok, don't trust the config program.
[03:28] <evarlast> Semt-X: pastebin your XF86Config file even?
[03:28] <Semt-X> well, i wish i had that box here, wich is the main problem
[03:28] <Semt-X> its offline and about 30 minutes from where I am now
[03:28] <CarlK> evarlast - but I dont have usb anywhere.  I can see floppy - even though the drive is removed (bay is used for CD)
[03:28] <Semt-X> Wich makes getting support for it a real bitch
[03:29] <Semt-X> But I will try as you suggested, thank you.
[03:29] <evarlast> Semt-X: ah, also try "cat /proc/pci" and find the PCI ID for the card.
[03:29] <evarlast> Semt-X: and add that PCI ID to the Driver section as well.
[03:29] <Zotnix> Someone needs to invent a "sticking tongue out" emoticon that is mean.
[03:29] <Zotnix> :-p   is just too... happy.
[03:29] <Semt-X> >:P
[03:29] <CarlK> cute
[03:30] <Zotnix> Looks like an antelope is sticking his tongue out at me... in fun
[03:30] <evarlast> Semt-X: or maybe "lspci" if /proc/pci isn't there.
[03:30] <Semt-X> evarlast, another thing about that, the XF86Config file states tdfx as the driver to load.
[03:30] <Semt-X> evarlast, but when startx runs, it still tries to use the ati card
[03:30] <CarlK> >:(#)  (those are teath)
[03:30] <Semt-X> Looks more like beaten up teeth
[03:30] <CarlK> or a waffle
[03:30] <Semt-X> har
[03:32] <Semt-X> waffles are good
[03:33] <Semt-X> evarlast, do you have any links to more resources about my 'troubles'
[03:34] <Semt-X> the xf86 pages dont really have comprehensive info
[03:34] <evarlast> Semt-X: use the BusID command... so add a line like :   BusID "0:0:3"
[03:34] <Semt-X> I thought so
[03:34] <evarlast> to your device section.
[03:34] <Semt-X> BusID "bus-id"
[03:34] <Semt-X> that one
[03:34] <evarlast> where 0:0:3 is the ID from lspci output.
[03:34] <evarlast> Semt-X: yup.
[03:35] <Semt-X> OK
[03:35] <Semt-X> Thanks
[03:35] <evarlast> good luck.
[03:35] <Semt-X> :)
[03:35] <Semt-X> No luck required, just knowledge and a continuous power supply
[03:35] <Semt-X> and maybe some coffee
[03:36] <evarlast> Semt-X: excellent attitude.  Never limit yourself.
[03:36] <Semt-X> Of course not.
[03:36] <Semt-X> We are only at the beginning of our evolution
[03:37] <Semt-X> But props to Ubuntu team though, its one fine distri
[03:39] <CarlK> Semt-X - agreed
[03:39] <Semt-X> Finally a debian wich is workable by people who do not think like 00011111110101011100
[03:40] <evarlast> And is not 3 years between stable releases.
[03:41] <bob2> that's pretty harsh and unfair
[03:41] <bob2> since Debian is 1100 people
[03:41] <Frederick> evarlast amem
[03:41] <rubixXx> i prefer ubuntu to debian
[03:43] <evarlast> bob2: I don't see it as harsh or unfair.  There are good project and there are poorly managed projects.  Debian seems to fall under the latter.
[03:43] <evarlast> Ubuntu is proof that it can be done properly
[03:44] <bob2> again, that's harsh and unfair
[03:44] <bob2> also, wrong
[03:44] <tsw> for a desktop.. I still prefer debian on server
[03:44] <bob2> painting all 1100 DD's with one brush is pointless
[03:44] <rubixXx> jus about any distro can run a good serverf
[03:44] <rubixXx> its a nice desktop that gets tricky
[03:45] <rubixXx> different users want different things out of their desktop, but in servers its all the same, you want a managable, fast, powerful server
[03:45] <rubixXx> thats still secure
[03:45] <tsw> its nice that ubuntu finds my soundcard correctly without any configuration from me, but still my main desktop is debian
[03:45] <evarlast> bob2: Sorry, don't get me wrong.  I think debian is great, I'm using it right now.  I'm just saying there are certain points where debian is a failure.  Hopefully that will change soon.
[03:45] <CarlK> huh why would  cat /proc/bus/pnp/escd take out my ssh connection?
[03:45] <bob2> CarlK: are you using an ISA modem?
[03:45] <rubixXx> that command will output text
[03:46] <CarlK> bob2 - yup
[03:46] <bob2> CarlK: playing with pnp while using a modem sounds like a bad idea
[03:46] <bob2> it might reset the card or something
[03:46] <CarlK> rubixXx - yup, and then my ssh session dropped, and I can't reconnect
[03:46] <CarlK> the box is 2 steps away, so no biggie
[03:46] <Semt-X> evarlast, debian suffers from<Semt-X> the xf86 pages dont really have comprehensive info
 Semt-X: use the BusID command... so add a line like :   BusID "0:0:3"
 I thought so
 to your device section.
 BusID "bus-id"
 that one
[03:47] <CarlK> just wondering what happened
 where 0:0:3 is the ID from lspci output.
 Semt-X: yup.
 OK
[03:47] <Semt-X> omg
[03:47] <Semt-X> w t f
[03:47] <Semt-X> lets clear clipboard
[03:47] <bob2> er
[03:47] <bob2> leave busid blank
[03:47] <bob2> as the help says
[03:47] <CarlK> this deb 001 stuff should be taken to #politics or #religion or something... ;)
[03:48] <Semt-X> haha
[03:48] <Semt-X> #religion sounds great
[03:48] <Semt-X> pupt some windoze fanatics in there too then
[03:48] <Semt-X> -p
[03:48] <Thom_Ubuntu> wtf
[03:48] <io> I just switched from Gnome to XFCE and got myself in some keyboard trouble, ive got almost everything up and running now except the pipe key. <> works, but pipe wont, any ideas?
[03:48] <tsw> and a dozen trolls
[03:48] <evarlast> bob2: no, he should use BusID, because he has 2 cards, and he only wants to use 1, and without BusID, it is using the wrong card.
[03:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> this is new
[03:49] <bob2> ah
[03:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> welcome to the world of Dell Semt-X
[03:52] <CarlK> what is the first column of /proc/devices represent?
[03:53] <evarlast> The Major
[03:54] <Semt-X> Oh noes
[03:54] <Semt-X> evil family on irc
 welcome to the world of Dell Semt-X  <- You have a Apple, case closed.
[03:55] <Thom_Ubuntu> at least it works :)
[03:57] <evarlast> Apple <3
[03:58] <Semt-X> I like apples too
[03:58] <Semt-X> For eating
[03:58] <Semt-X> Jonagold are the best
[03:58] <krism> iCrunch?
[04:02] <Thom_Ubuntu> yippieee they uploaded a new sparc-installer mini.iso for ubuntu-sparc :
[04:02] <Thom_Ubuntu> finally
[04:02] <rubixXx> i hate macs
[04:02] <rubixXx> they are dumb
[04:02] <Semt-X> Finally
[04:02] <Semt-X> someone who understand
[04:02] <Semt-X> +s, I do not hate macs though
[04:02] <Semt-X> I cannot hate mentally or physically challenged people either
[04:02] <ebone> I hate "Mac-heads"
[04:02] <Thom_Ubuntu> rubixXx, dumb? i guess you may like to config. your machine all day long but i actually have a life as well :P
[04:02] <krism> i can!
[04:03] <rubixXx> Thom_Ubuntu): i used macs for 4 years in high school, i hate macs
[04:03] <Semt-X> High school o
[04:03] <L3th3M> hi somebody!
[04:03] <rubixXx> Thom_Ubuntu): they ARE good for graphics work, but thats it
[04:03] <evarlast> you need to drink the blue apple koolaide and turn to the dark side.
[04:03] <Thom_Ubuntu> my ibook is my main machine :) its good for everything
[04:03] <ebone> they are nice machines hardware wise.
[04:03] <krism> rubixXx : shut your trap, no flamewars needed.
[04:03] <beezly> rubixXx: you mean you hate Mac OS?
[04:03] <ebone> there apostles are annoying as hell though.
[04:03] <Semt-X> krism says the word
[04:03] <ebone> the OS is nice too.
[04:04] <evarlast> OSX is heaven.
[04:04] <ebone> PC's are just as good for graphics nowadays as Macs.
[04:04] <Semt-X> Every OS/Machine/Religion has its apostles
[04:04] <beezly> blah blah
[04:04] <Semt-X> They are to be ignored
[04:04] <rubixXx> beezly): nope, i hate the little 1 button mouse, the wierd keyboard, the stupid monitors
[04:04] <L3th3M> I have a problem with gnome; It doesn't work good
[04:04] <L3th3M> This problem is new
[04:04] <ebone> Semt-X: the Mac-heads are the most annoying zeolots ever ...
[04:04] <rubixXx> i havn't used any new mac os though, so i cant' say nething for the OS
[04:04] <Semt-X> ebone, not really.
[04:04] <ebone> Semt-X: I think they are even more annoying than the Linux-heads
[04:04] <evarlast> rubixXx: Get a MacMINI, it doesn't come with key, mouse, or display - so outfit it as you want - with a PC keyboard, a 5/7 button mouse and a display
[04:04] <Semt-X> ebone, not really
[04:05] <krism> ebone : *blinks*
[04:05] <krism> you're in a linux channel on IRC!
[04:05] <Semt-X> haha
[04:05] <ebone> I mean, the machines are nice ...
[04:05] <ebone> but there users have ruined it for the rest of us.
[04:05] <L3th3M> I upgraded ubuntu, but it wasn't solution
[04:05] <Semt-X> This is not the place to start smashing Apples (or bashing for that matter)
[04:05] <ebone> they are so self-satisfied and smug i cant stand it.
[04:05] <bob2> or talking about random off-topic stuff
[04:05] <bob2> ebone: that's nice, but off-topic
[04:05] <Semt-X> ebone, buy a baseball bat and take them out.
[04:05] <bob2> thanks!
[04:05] <Semt-X> Please do not litter my logs
[04:06] <ebone> Semt-X: like i said, the mahines are great !
[04:06] <Semt-X> Are you finished?
[04:06] <Thom_Ubuntu> you guys dont get it- osx is designed to be operated with one mouse button :) -other than that you can hook up any mouse you want-- ive got my 5-button trackball attached to it when its on my desk
[04:06] <ebone> if i could just avoid all the users.
[04:06] <bob2> thanks guys
[04:06] <Semt-X> ebone, then put Thom_Ubuntu on ignore
[04:06] <ebone> :)
[04:06] <Thom_Ubuntu> hehe
[04:06] <krism> hmm i need a script to trigger /ignore add as soon as someone starts talking about osx
[04:06] <ebone> not all of em ...
[04:06] <Semt-X> ooo
[04:06] <ebone> but i'm sure you know what i mean.
[04:06] <bob2> enough
[04:06] <bob2> thanks
[04:06] <Thom_Ubuntu> indeed
[04:06] <krism> .ignore Semt-X all
[04:06] <Semt-X> ebone, no I do not
[04:06] <krism> damnit
[04:06] <evarlast> Thom_Ubuntu: not really "designed"  I mean, the 2nd mouse button does a context menu nearly EVERYWHERE!  I had a powerbook, but I used it mostly with a std. 5 button(3+scroll) mouse.
[04:07] <bob2> seriously, people
[04:07] <Coily> can someone recommend a cpu temperature monitor OR a repository with emifreq and all of its dependencies?
[04:07] <Semt-X> OK, lets close the fruit subject
[04:07] <krism> i just ignored about half the channel.
[04:07] <ebone> Semt-X: you don't get around much on the web i guess ...
[04:07] <Semt-X> haha krischan
[04:07] <Semt-X> krism even
[04:07] <evarlast> ubuntu is so good that no one needs help, and there is nothing to say - so we have to be off topic ;)
[04:07] <Semt-X> Semt-X, you should know
[04:07] <Semt-X> er ebone
[04:07] <Coily> anyone?
[04:07] <ebone> there are Mac blogs and Mac sites that are just dripping with self-satisfaction and congratulations.
[04:07] <Semt-X> I just do not like OS or machine bashing
[04:07] <bob2> ebone: dude, enough
[04:07] <Thom_Ubuntu> blablaall computers and os's rule, blabla they all have their downsides blahblah all have their zealots blahblah
[04:07] <Semt-X> Its like saying one football club is better than the other one
[04:07] <Thom_Ubuntu> there pacified
[04:07] <Semt-X> totally obsolete discussions
[04:08] <bob2> thank you
[04:08] <rubixXx> perfect way to start ya day
[04:08] <rubixXx> nice hot mug of ramen
[04:08] <evarlast> sorry for OT.   Anyone know about mono 1.1.x on ubuntu?
[04:08] <rubixXx> i wanna try the ramen from japan
[04:08] <Semt-X> There, ignore is my friend
[04:08] <Coily> repeating: can someone recommend a cpu temperature monitor OR a repository with emifreq and all of its dependencies?
[04:09] <Echylo> hi, everything I boot the computer I get this error before it continues booting : mod probe FATAL: error inserting pciehp /lib/modules/..... & error inserting shpchp
[04:09] <Echylo> everytime*
[04:09] <bob2> evarlast: yes, it was discussed on the dev list last week
[04:09] <bob2> Echylo: ignore it, it's harmless if slightly annoying
[04:09] <Coily> ^^^
[04:09] <Echylo> it slows down booting I guess
[04:09] <Echylo> hotplug is very slow
[04:09] <Echylo> dunno why
[04:09] <Delgul_at_work> Anyone with knowledge of polypaudio?
[04:10] <bob2> Echylo: because it's shell and ass
[04:10] <bob2> and will be replaced in the medium term
[04:10] <Echylo> so I can't do shit about it?
[04:10] <evarlast> bob2: dev list?  url?  I'd like to sign up.
[04:10] <bob2> Echylo: how much do you care?  the entire problem is one extra line of text during your boot up
[04:10] <bob2> evarlast: /topic
[04:10] <bob2> evarlast: it is for development, tho, not $random_blue_sky_idea_you_wont_code_yourself
[04:11] <Echylo> k
[04:11] <Echylo> next question
[04:11] <Frederick> Echylo you can blacklist it
[04:11] <evarlast> bob2: I am ready and willing to code, but I'm not very self directed.  I need ot be told: we need this - go do it.
[04:11] <ebone> you could prolly twiddle with the modprobe.conf file if you wanted
[04:11] <Frederick> so it wont boot
[04:11] <Echylo> I know Frederick
[04:11] <Echylo> but that doesn't speeds up
[04:11] <Echylo> anyway
[04:11] <Frederick> Echylo if you dont boot you speed up
[04:12] <Echylo> ok then
[04:12] <Echylo> I'll check it later
[04:12] <Echylo> next question :p
[04:12] <Echylo> I have pan news reader and when I try to save attachements to a specified folder, like /home/echylo/downloads/pan it doesn't wants to save it(it's a mp3 for example) anyone who knows how to fix that?
[04:13] <Echylo> It downloads it
[04:13] <Echylo> but doesn't saves it to that folder
[04:13] <Frederick> Echylo and who cares about bootig time, leave you pc turned on forever and solve the problem
[04:13] <Frederick> Echylo do you have the right permission for this folder?
[04:13] <krism> evarlast : we need to give me all your money - go do it.
[04:14] <krism> :)
[04:14] <ebone> there is a famous german girl named krism.
[04:14] <evarlast> krism: ?  Give you money?  Did i miss something?
[04:14] <Echylo> yes
[04:14] <Echylo> I have the right permission
[04:14] <ebone> she runs around naked all over germany ... sort of a wild nudist activist.
[04:15] <Seq> could anybody help me figure out why my hard disk's apm level keeps resetting itself to 254?
[04:15] <krism> evarlast : your bit above about coding
[04:15] <Delgul_at_work> "polypaudio -k && polypaudio -nf /etc/polypaudio/default.pa" Gives me a working sound system. Sadly I must do it every time I log on. Anyone any ideas?
[04:15] <ebone> Seq: what's the apm level ?
[04:15] <Seq> ebone: advanced power management
[04:16] <ebone> Seq: so, it sets itself to turn off after 254 minutes ?
[04:16] <Seq> ebag: i set it to 128 using hdparm, and then I'll check it about a minute later and it goes back to 254
[04:16] <ebone> a minute later !
[04:16] <Seq> ebag: no, its a scale of how "aggressive" power management is on the drive
[04:16] <ebone> hmmm ... i was thinking it might be a start up script in init.d
[04:16] <ebone> but that wouldn't explain it then.
[04:16] <pfefferkeks> hi, is ther a tool like modconf in debian?
[04:16] <bob2> there's modconf, but it's broken
[04:17] <Seq> ebone: there is an hdparm start up script, which I've configured with my desired settings. All the other settings seem to be in order..
[04:17] <bob2> what module do you think you need to load manually?
[04:17] <pfefferkeks> bob2: fb
[04:17] <Thom_Holwerda> finally, ubuntu-sparc mini.iso works!
[04:17] <bob2> pfefferkeks: just load it with fb, I suppose
[04:17] <bob2> modconf is broken, tho they wil take patches, aiui
[04:18] <pfefferkeks> bob2: ok than I will load it manualy ;)
[04:18] <ebone> Has anybody gotten mono running with Apache2 ?
[04:20] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda, working?
[04:20] <Semt-X> nvm
[04:21] <Seq> anybody know why I have no apm support at all? :(
[04:21] <evarlast> ebone: there is no mod-mono package for Apache2 AFAIK.  only apache1 ;(  But XSP works well.
[04:21] <ebone> thanks.
[04:22] <ebone> there is one in debian, but it's actually broken.
[04:22] <ebone> i may just go with XSP.
[04:22] <Thom_Holwerda> okay installing on a 270mhz 64bit ultrasparc does go slower than installing on a athlon xp 1600 :P
[04:22] <pfefferkeks> I will do that: fbset ./.fluxbox/back/sf.jpg and alway I get the error: open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[04:23] <evarlast> Thom_Holwerda: yah.  UltraSparcs and Sparcs are SLOWWWWW
[04:23] <bob2> pfefferkeks: you're sure you don't want to just use X?
[04:23] <ebone> hey guys, ssh service isn't started by default after a Ubuntu install ?
[04:23] <pfefferkeks> bob2: I use X but I will have my backround Image in fluxbox
[04:24] <bob2> pfefferkeks: er
[04:24] <bob2> pfefferkeks: then you're using the wrong tool
[04:24] <bob2> fbset is for playing framebuffer games
[04:24] <bob2> not for setting a background in fluxbox
[04:25] <pfefferkeks> bob2: bob2 ;) I have use thise tool the last 2 years in debian :)
[04:25] <bob2> you don't want to be touching /dev/fb0 if you're in X
[04:25] <pfefferkeks> bob2: ok I will search again
[04:26] <bob2> pfefferkeks: just use xsetbg
[04:26] <evarlast> ebone: no, ssh service is not even installed by default AFAIK
[04:26] <bob2> or the imagemagick equivalent
[04:26] <spiral> any idea how I can fall back to older linux-restricted-modules working with my ipw2200 ?
[04:27] <bob2> get it from the mirror if it's still there
[04:27] <pfefferkeks> bob2: ok thangs I will test ist.
[04:27] <bob2> if not, wait until they fix it
[04:27] <Echylo> I can't solve the goddamn pan problem, I try to save an attachements, it says saving blabla.mp3 and when I look in folder I specified it isn't there
[04:27] <bob2> chilll
[04:27] <Echylo> and I get nuts of it
[04:27] <bob2> perhaps it's just a bug
[04:28] <Echylo> I dunno
[04:28] <bob2> it's not like downloading mp3s off usenet is a critical task
[04:28] <Echylo> you know an other news reader that downloads too?
[04:28] <spiral> bob2: hmmm... how can I check on the mirror ?
[04:28] <bob2> spiral: archive.ubuntu,com
[04:29] <Echylo> bob2 ? you know another news reader with the ability to download stuff?
[04:29] <spiral> bob2: do they keep older versions ?
[04:29] <bob2> spiral: only for a day or two
[04:29] <bob2> there's no snapshopt.debian.net equivalent afaik
[04:29] <pfefferkeks> bob2: thangs!!
[04:29] <bob2> Echylo: all of them?
[04:29] <spiral> bob2: :-/
[04:29] <Echylo> no a good one
[04:29] <Echylo> :p
[04:30] <spiral> bob2: how does the file architecture work on archives ?
[04:30] <spiral> bob2: where are the .debs ?
[04:30] <bob2> spiral: in the pool
[04:30] <spiral> bob2: thanks... I'll check
[04:30] <ebone> evarlast: i was planning on tweaking my setup from work.   :)
[04:30] <ebone> guess it will have to wait.
[04:30] <Echylo> bob2 you know a good newsreader/downloader?
[04:31] <bob2> Echylo: chill dude
[04:31] <Echylo> ow ok
[04:31] <Echylo> thought you hadn't saw it
[04:31] <bob2> obviously not
[04:31] <spiral> hmmm, and linux-restricted-modules, is that main ?
[04:31] <ebone> Echylo: the 2 greatest newsreaders ever coded are Free Agent and Xnews
[04:31] <bob2> spiral: no, restricted
[04:31] <Echylo> ok
[04:31] <Echylo> lemme check out then
[04:31] <ebone> unfortunately, they are both windows apps.
[04:31] <ebone> you can get them to run with Wine though.
[04:31] <spiral> bob2: ok... I'm dumb, sorry :-)
[04:32] <CarlK> dmesg shows cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x220-0x22f 0x250-0x257 0x330-0x337 0
[04:32] <CarlK> x388-0x38f 0x408-0x40f 0x4d0-0x4d7
[04:32] <ebone> Echylo: from the console, try slrn
[04:32] <ebone> For Linux X, Pan is about the best it gets.
[04:32] <CarlK> my isa soundcard uses 0x0220-0x02ff, 0x0388-0x0388, 0x0330-0x0331
[04:32] <CarlK> does this look like a problem?
[04:32] <ebone> There was one project in Germany that looked really promising, can't remember it's name though.
[04:33] <Echylo> ebone, you have read my prob?
[04:33] <Echylo> about saving attach
[04:33] <ebone> Echylo: yeah, briefly.
[04:33] <Seq> nobody has any ideas about apm being reset to 254 on hard disks in hoary?
[04:33] <ebone> Xnews is amazing dude ...
[04:33] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: you here? the mini.iso for sparc seems to work a-okay now :) just ot let you know
[04:33] <ebone> if your not averse to running Wine ...
[04:34] <ebone> If you don't mind the console, slrn is really good ... but has a learning curve.
[04:34] <fridge> can someone tell me where the init scripts source log_begin_msg() from?
[04:34] <fridge> appears to have vanished from my system
[04:34] <Echylo> ok
[04:34] <spiral> bob2: it seems they don't have the previous one... how strange :-/
[04:35] <ebone> /etc/init.d/rcS maybe ?
[04:35] <ebone> Echylo: Pan is about as good as it gets for Linux X
[04:35] <fridge> they seem to source /lib/lsb/init-functions, but it isn't in there
[04:35] <ebone> you should join the mailing list and see if anyone else has the problem.
[04:35] <Echylo> hmm
[04:35] <felix_1> Is there one versed about my problem ? ( hoary cd4 ) I never been able to play cd music nor DVD: access denied to the /dev/cdrom , or /media/...
[04:36] <spiral> fabbione: are you there ?
[04:36] <ceu> I'm using warty and mozilla-firefox from warty-backports. Firefox takes 4 seconds to start (firefox "vanilla" from mozilla.org takes only 2 seconds). The version from warty-backports shows (at every launch, not only at first) this error: "*** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skipping."
[04:36] <ceu> what's the problem?
[04:36] <ebone> check the owner and permissions on it.
[04:36] <fridge> hmm, I did a forced reinstall of lsb-base
[04:36] <fridge> appeared to fix it
[04:36] <fridge> thanks!
[04:36] <ebone> you may have accidentally installed it as root or something.
[04:37] <scorpy> what is the meaning of arrey 4?
[04:38] <bob2> scorpy: it's the 4th test cd
[04:38] <Echylo> where can I subscribe to mailing lists?
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> but why is it called "array" ? i always wanted to know that
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> heh - i cant even rember which is the latest. hoary or warty...
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> (as if it is the question of life :s)
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> i wonder what the next one will be... "scuzzy"
[04:40] <Thom_Holwerda> warty... hoary... no, naming isnt a strong point
[04:41] <Semt-X> It's done on purpose.
[04:41] <bob2> Thom_Holwerda: array is the collective noun for hedgehogs
[04:41] <Semt-X> So you can go like, 'well did you see the latest gdbsdfgdsgsdfgsdfg release?'
[04:42] <njan> scuzzy squirrel
[04:42] <njan> :)
[04:42] <njan> that'd be a cool name :-p
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> I always thoguht it was a 'herd of `hogs' :P
[04:42] <scorpy> in jigdo, what mirror should i put when it asks me?
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> Thats the sort of term the Redwall Novel writer uses. :P
[04:43] <felix_1> Is there one versed about my problem ? ( hoary cd4 ) I never been able to play cd music nor DVD: access denied to the /dev/cdrom , or /media/...
[04:43] <Thom_Holwerda> bob2, ah
[04:43] <Semt-X> hoary is somewhat sketchy
[04:43] <scorpy> anybody?
[04:44] <bob2> scorpy: any ubuntu mirrors
[04:44] <bob2> also, don't be so impatient
[04:44] <scorpy> where can i find a list of ubuntu mirrors?
[04:45] <jwilson1> Is there a document on how to get PHP4 working with Apache2?
[04:45] <bob2> scorpy: on the wiki
[04:45] <bob2> jwilson1: install it
[04:45] <scorpy> tnx bob
[04:45] <bob2> (libapache2-mod-php4)
[04:45] <jwilson1> i used Synaptic to install it
[04:46] <jwilson1> oh. i think i forgot that lib file
[04:46] <jwilson1> thanks
[04:46] <shekhar> hi can anyone help me install the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox? sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad doesn
[04:46] <shekhar> ''t work
[04:46] <bob2> "does'nt work" is too vague for anyone to help you
[04:47] <shekhar> it can't find the package
[04:47] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:47] <jwilson1> i just checked synaptic and it says that libapache2-mod-php4 is already installed but when i go into apache.conf, there is nowhere to check and make sure the module has been added
[04:48] <BrianAnthony> what do I need for XMMS to play mp3's?
[04:48] <BrianAnthony> It needs a special plugin, if I can recall
[04:48] <BrianAnthony> or something
[04:49] <bob2> jwilson1: yes, that's not how apache 2 works, look at the mods-enabled directory
[04:49] <bob2> BrianAnthony: no, you don't need anything extra
[04:49] <jwilson1> bob2:  i will look there and thanks for your help
[04:50] <lotusgeek512> my monitor just died and i had 2 hook up a smaller one which is now out of range, I dropped into a virtual terminal and went to edit /etc/X11/X11Config-4. there are many default sessions? with resolutions out of range.  Does anyone know which of these that i have 2 edit inorder to be able to change my resolution to work with the smaller monitor
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. How the heck do i cut/paste text on my imac with ubuntu/gnome and a 1 button mouse.. :P
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> there that worked. lol
[04:51] <shock> ctrl+c,ctfl+v ?
[04:52] <jwilson1> bob2:  i see that php4.conf and php4.load are in mods-enabled.  however, when i try to call on a php file in my /www dir., it asks me is i want to save the file
[04:52] <BrianAnthony> bob2: well, I have sound configured, but it won't put out audio when I try to play an mp3
[04:52] <bob2> BrianAnthony: and it won't for any other format either, I bet
[04:52] <BrianAnthony> It probably won't
[04:52] <BrianAnthony> I haven't tried any other
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> but I was watching and hearing movies last night
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> of course
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> that was with xine-ui
[04:53] <Thom_Holwerda> this sucks :s
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> what is the problem?
[04:53] <Thom_Holwerda> on my sparc, it fails to install a package after initial reboor and then it drops to cli-- i thought that was a problem x86 had for a short while
[04:53] <Thom_Holwerda> CRAP
[04:53] <Thom_Holwerda> *reboot
[04:54] <jwilson1> bob2:  i see that php4.conf and php4.load are in mods-enabled.  however, when i try to call on a php file in my /www dir., it asks me is i want to save the file
[04:54] <bob2> BrianAnthony: perhaps you need to configure xmms to use esd
[04:54] <bob2> jwilson1: ok!
[04:54] <bob2> (no idea, I don't use php)
[04:54] <Thom_Holwerda> is there anyway to restart the second part of the install?
[04:54] <Echylo> jwilson1, try to reinstall apache
[04:55] <Echylo> through synaptic
[04:55] <Thom_Holwerda> im in cli
[04:55] <jwilson1> bob2: you could have said something instead of ignoring it
[04:55] <bob2> Echylo: that will help?
[04:55] <Thom_Holwerda> x obviously hasnt been installed yet :/
[04:55] <bob2> Echylo: or are you guessing?
[04:55] <bob2> jwilson1: indeed.
[04:55] <benjami> ls -al
[04:55] <benjami> ^^
[04:56] <benjami> hoary gnome is broken?
[04:56] <seb128> no
[04:56] <Thom_Holwerda> anyone know how to restart stage 2 of the install without going through stage 1 again..?
[04:57] <Echylo> bob2, I think I solved it that way
[04:57] <rubixXx> anyone use cedega with ubuntu?
[04:57] <Echylo> not yet
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> rubixXx,  planing on it later
[04:58] <bob2> rubixXx: probably in #cedega
[04:58] <rubixXx> na
[04:58] <rubixXx> that chan is useless
[04:58] <benjami> whats youre question
[04:58] <bob2> well, yeah
[04:58] <rubixXx> ahh none yet
[04:58] <meuserj|work> Thom_Holwerda, "base-config" will do most of it.. not all though
[04:58] <benjami> great
[04:58] <felix_1> Anyway, I don't really care, April is approaching fast and I am sure all will be ok! :-) btw, KDE-3.3.2 in hoary CD4 is almost complete and works well :-) but still I prefer Gnome -->
[04:58] <bob2> but when you buy propprietary software, you presumably get some support with it
[04:59] <Thom_Holwerda> meuserj|work, base-config only does timezone slection
[04:59] <rubixXx> first imma install this stuff
[04:59] <felix_1> Because of its config features and themes engines - better and more refined ... :-)
[04:59] <Xappe> rubixXx, well i've installed cvscedega but haven't had any luck with it yet
[04:59] <benjami> what games you want to play rubixXx
[04:59] <meuserj|work> Thom_Holwerda, ah.. dunno then
[05:00] <Thom_Holwerda> well ill go through stage one again
[05:00] <rubixXx> transgaming-mozctlinstaller
[05:00] <rubixXx> whats that
[05:00] <benjami> some letters
[05:00] <benjami> :P
[05:01] <benjami> if i try "apt-get install gnome" = gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 62ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
[05:03] <benjami> but its not broken?
[05:04] <benjami> mensch is hier tote hose
[05:05] <kaha> *cranks up "Hier Kommt Alex"*
[05:05] <benjami> ^^
[05:05] <rubixXx> benjami): steam and d2
[05:05] <benjami> d2?
[05:06] <rubixXx> diablo ii
[05:07] <rubixXx> wow...actually getting support
[05:07] <benjami> i already used steam/source with cedega
[05:07] <rubixXx> i know this really cool ver of steam that lets you download the source's too
[05:07] <rubixXx> its awsome
[05:07] <bascule> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts <-- firefox speedie uppy :)
[05:08] <benjami> rubixXx, steam lets you download the sources?
[05:08] <benjami> what you mean
[05:09] <rubixXx> benjami): if you buy them...this is a topic better used in a PM
[05:10] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu and then ran "mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/" which reports "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy". I can't see hda1 in /mnt/ or (like my usb stick) on the desktop, and I don't know what the "busy" means. I did a "cat /proc/mounts" but can't see where hda1 (brw-rw----) may be mounted.
[05:10] <bascule> mount -r ?
[05:11] <bascule> alright man page it is ...
[05:12] <bob2> hitu: please turn that off
[05:12] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: are you in /home/ubuntu/suse whe running it?
[05:12] <hitu> bob2: sorry :P
[05:12] <vi111e> how do I know if I am using my ATI drivers correctly? I tried changing to fglrx drivers as told in ubuntu wiki page but my system didn't find things and was not able to start x server, so I had to go back to "ati" ... I think I need the drivers because the foobillard is really slow and laggy
[05:13] <bascule> did you change Driver "radeon" in /etc/X11/XF86Config or xorg.conf
[05:14] <Vectalix> hello
[05:15] <Legendre> Ok, Ubuntu on a PII laptop, for a first time linux user. Good/Bad idea.
[05:15] <bascule> hey
[05:15] <vi111e> I did this sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and I also sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 where I changed ati to fglrx and after that x server didn't start
[05:15] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, I just ran the mount command in the root console (/home/ubuntu/ ?) after opening that console. I created the /suse/ dir with the GUI. Should I try the mount command from within /dev/ or /suse/ ?
[05:15] <Vectalix> where is the french tchat for linux ubuntu?
[05:15] <Legendre> try #ubuntu-fr
[05:15] <bascule> no IamJacksUsername I was suggesting that you shouldn't be in the dir that you want to mount to
[05:15] <bob2> Legendre: gnome is slow without a fair amount of ram
[05:15] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, -r = read only
[05:15] <bascule> yeah I got it
[05:15] <bascule> :)
[05:16] <Vectalix> that goo
[05:16] <Vectalix> d
[05:16] <Legendre> bob2 - is ubuntu heavily gnome-centric?
[05:16] <Vectalix> thank you
[05:16] <bob2> Legendre: the default desktop is gnome, if that's what you mean
[05:16] <zido> can i download something from Synaptic to get eggdrop working with Tcl? in that case; what?
[05:16] <bob2> zido: er, eggdrop is in ubuntu
[05:17] <zido> bob2: can't start it?
[05:17] <zido> i get this:
[05:17] <Akiyuki> I downloaded and attempted to install ubuntuu yesterday. Everything worked fine until it started trying to unpack the netcfg stuff, and then it kept looping, going into low-memory mode, and trying to unpack it, low-memory mode, unpack..etc
[05:17] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, would it be okay to ask this in the wiki?
[05:17] <zido> Tcl error in file: "./eggdrop.conf"
[05:17] <aplsin> someone here using a wacom graphire 3 tablet?
[05:17] <bob2> zido: seems pretty clear, you need to fix the config
[05:17] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: kinda slow to get a response in there
[05:17] <bob2> Akiyuki: how much memoery do you have?
[05:18] <Akiyuki> bob2: 32mb
[05:18] <zido> it doesn't "like" alltools.tcl
[05:18] <bascule> if any at all, not really a wiki topic, wiki is to give information not ask questions, if I understand them correctly
[05:18] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, yeah in /home/ubuntu/: "root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu # mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/"
[05:18] <benjami> so hoary gnome is not broken?
[05:18] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: that worked?
[05:18] <zido> invalid command name "usr/share/eggdrop/scripts/alltools.tcl"
[05:18] <bob2> Akiyuki: is that enough for loew-memory mode?
[05:19] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, nope, that from the log. It gives "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy"
[05:19] <bob2> I wouldn't bother asking for help on the wiki
[05:19] <Akiyuki> bob2: I'm not sure, I don't see any documentation on it.
[05:19] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: umount /dev/hda1
[05:19] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, Ah!
[05:19] <lupusBE> the open Terminal option on the desktop
[05:19] <lupusBE> who takes care off that?
[05:19] <bascule> might not work ...
[05:20] <lupusBE> nautilus?
[05:20] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, I'll try that tonight. Thanks a lot.
[05:20] <bascule> np, but it might be something else, you are sure it is ext3 and so on?
[05:21] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: scrap the last, it didn't say that
[05:21] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, I think so: SUSE professional 9.0
[05:21] <fr500> hi
[05:21] <bascule> eyah if it was wrong the shell eould have said wrong fstype or badsuperblock on /dev/hda1
[05:22] <bascule> cat /etc/mtab is another way to check mounts
[05:22] <lupusBE> anyone? I need to know so I can fill in bugreporty
[05:22] <njan> heya, bluefoxicy
[05:22] <rubixXx> bascule): ddin't you used to kick it in the #mandrake channel
[05:23] <bascule> I did, then I got well I dunno.... I changed :)
[05:23] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, I'll try both those. Thanks again. Ciao.
[05:23] <IrIT> Hi all! :D
[05:24] <rubixXx> bascule): thought so
[05:24] <vi111e> bascule there is XT (RV350 AR)"	Driver		"ati"	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0" in xorg.conf .... now after I changed it back to ati..
[05:24] <rubixXx> i like ubuntu better too
[05:24] <bascule> rubixXx: the chan craped out totally, all  the real gurus dissappeared off, they are logged in but never say a word, it is cold in there now
[05:24] <vi111e> I mean when I changed it from the reconfigure thing... haven't modified xorg.conf at all
[05:25] <IrIT> I've a P4 with Hyper Threading. Is the linux 686smp the right kernel then?
[05:25] <rubixXx> bascule): try #lfd
[05:25] <rubixXx> its a nice channel
[05:25] <bascule> vi111e: I dunno then, I was guessing, I know nvidia not radeon
[05:25] <bascule> rubixXx: well I was there a bit too up until last week
[05:25] <Necrosan> any way to get DRI w/ an nvidia geforce 4 mx in ubuntu/ppc?
[05:26] <IrIT> I've a P4 with Hyper Threading. Is the linux 686smp the right kernel then?  <-- anyone+
[05:26] <vi111e> oki
[05:26] <njan> IrIT, ask and wait.
[05:26] <njan> IrIT, if you spam the channel, people won't want to answer.
[05:26] <IrIT> sorry:(
[05:26] <bob2> IrIT: yeah
[05:26] <Necrosan> IrIT: No
[05:26] <Necrosan> that sounds wrong, but try it :)
[05:26] <njan> An i686 kernel will run happily on a p4; but I don't know if there's one which is more optimised for your CPU, I haven't checked.
[05:26] <IrIT> but smp is for HT right?
[05:26] <bascule> IrIT: actually yes it is, and pass acpi=ht as a boot option
[05:27] <bob2> no
[05:27] <bob2> but it will work
[05:27] <IrIT> ok, thx bascule
[05:27] <Necrosan> bascule: Wouldn't he just use a regular kernel then? SMP seems a bit over the top for him.
[05:27] <bascule> maybe there are other ways, I dunno
[05:27] <IrIT> should i add the acpi=ht in my grub conf?
[05:28] <bascule> IrIT: yeah, wherever grub has such things
[05:28] <orfeus> hi. how do i change file associations? default webbrowser?
[05:28] <njan> Necrosan, linux and windows both see HT processors as SMP, so actually it kinda makes sense..
[05:28] <bascule> maybe I'll learn it one day
[05:28] <njan> Necrosan, my dual 3.06 machine has 4 processors according to windows :)
[05:28] <IrIT> hehe;D
[05:28] <Necrosan> njan: Ah. heh. I don't even use the x86 arch, so I wouldn't know. :)
[05:28] <Necrosan> Dual xeons
[05:28] <Necrosan> ?
[05:28] <bascule> I know that SMP and acpi=ht is the way it will/can work, if there are others I don't know of them
[05:28] <njan> Necrosan, dual xeon 3.06s. :)
[05:28] <Necrosan> Cool
[05:29] <njan> Necrosan, in an IBM eServer with 2gb of ram :p
[05:29] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione, in case you're reading this: release-file problems again on sparc.ubuntu.com--- they just did an update
[05:29] <Necrosan> Ahh... I'm on a dual 800mhz powermac g4 w/ 2gb ram.
[05:29] <Necrosan> OS: Darwin 7.8.0/Power Macintosh - CPU: 2 x Motorola PowerPC G4 (800.00 MHz) - Processes: 55 - Uptime: 17h 1m - Load Average: 0.23 0.33 0.18 - Memory Usage: 262.26MB/2048.00MB (12.81%) - Disk Usage: 32.18GB/54.26GB (59.32%) - Ethernet Traffic (en0): 0.00MB In/0.00MB Out
[05:29] <njan> Necrosan, :(
[05:29] <IrIT> but wont it work, if i doesn't add acpi=ht ?
[05:29] <bascule> njan: and I assume you paid the multi-processor licence for those :P
[05:29] <njan> Necrosan, this has dual gig-E and 3x73gb 10k SCSI raid drives :)
[05:29] <benjami> njan, youre playing games?
[05:29] <njan> benjami, nope.
[05:29] <benjami> ^^ okok
[05:29] <njan> benjami, it's a sql database server.
[05:29] <Necrosan> njan: Cool, how much was it?
[05:30] <njan> Necrosan, about 7000gbp, including a 2k3 license.
[05:30] <njan> (and CALs)
[05:30] <orfeus> anyone?
[05:30] <bascule> apic=ht seems more likely, god those *damn* acronyms ... :(
[05:30] <Necrosan> Ouch.. You could have built an equally decent machine for nearly 5000 less. :>
[05:30] <njan> Necrosan, I could. But this has a 4-hour 24/7/365 warranty from IBM for 3 years
[05:30] <rubixXx> anyone in here play dod or cs
[05:30] <bascule> Advance Peripheral Interrupt Controller <-- that would be it
[05:31] <fr500> i play
[05:31] <fr500> good old cs
[05:31] <Necrosan> Yeah, I guess. :)
[05:31] <njan> Necrosan, plus, I have the added assurance that it won't break which custombuilds just don't have.
[05:31] <njan> :)
[05:31] <sgteich> can anyone help out with a video display problem?
[05:31] <bascule> IrIT: dod you get that subtle but important change there?
[05:31] <njan> We went the build-your-own route with some workstations once and it just wasn't worth it. For the 75quid we saved per station on buying them from compaq/dell/etc, we wasted so much time and effort.
[05:32] <Necrosan> heh
[05:32] <orfeus> hi. how do i change file associations? default webbrowser?
[05:32] <Necrosan> Yeah, I got this mac for all of $300.
[05:32] <IrIT> bascule?
[05:32] <bascule> apic=ht no acpi
[05:32] <njan> Necrosan, ouch
[05:33] <IrIT> so, i should add that to my grub conf? And get the linux686smpt?
[05:33] <bob2> no
[05:33] <bob2> leave it alone
[05:33] <njan> Necrosan, this machine is a 2.2GHz Dell Inspiron with 1.3gb of ram, and I payed nothing for it :)
[05:33] <njan> But I confess I'd rather have a dual 800MHz powermac.
[05:33] <bascule> IrIT: yup
[05:33] <Necrosan> heh
[05:33] <IrIT> ok.
[05:34] <Necrosan> I actually sold my old Alpha to get this machine..
[05:34] <IrIT> Then i'll read the man for grub. To see where i should add the line :(
[05:34] <IrIT> *:)
[05:34] <Necrosan> Came as a 500mhz machine, sawtooth w/ ati rage 128gfx and 1.5gb ram
[05:34] <bascule> if it fails I will change my nck and hang out in #debian .. :P
[05:34] <shock> crap! - I bungled my command key! wanted to emulate the mouse buttons... and now its screwed and keepy saying "button 2"
[05:34] <bascule> or worse #gentoo
[05:34] <shock> *grml*
[05:34] <shock> any hint on how to reset?
[05:35] <njan> bascule, nothing wrong with #gentoo
[05:36] <bascule> <-- knew he was being inflamatory :)
[05:36] <vi111e> umh how  was I supposed to uninstall applications in ubuntu?
[05:36] <bascule> notice the way I mentioned the two most populated chans, percentages see :)
[05:37] <vi111e> wasn't sudo apt-get uninstall application at least
[05:37] <bascule> yes or synaptic will do it too
[05:37] <hawkman> how do I install JRE5 on Ubuntu, it won't let me run the official .bin installer
[05:37] <vi111e> E: Invalid operation uninstall
[05:37] <bascule> chmod +x foo.bin
[05:38] <IrIT> apt-get remove
[05:38] <vi111e> oh thanks
[05:38] <jacquesmerde> which gnome-theme manager has ubuntu made into "theme preferences"?
[05:39] <sgteich> can anyone help me out with a display problem?
[05:40] <fr500> how do  i mount a smb share?
[05:40] <jacquesmerde> this is one of my (only) gripes, ubuntu changes the name of stuff to something more generic, but then n00bs like me dont know which man to rtfm, so it turns out being less usable
[05:40] <Yannick_> Array 5 is just released... ;-)
[05:40] <tvon> Is anyone using Hoary with GVim?  I'm getting strange UI artifacts...
[05:40] <tvon> in gvim
[05:42] <shock_> hoi
[05:42] <shock_> question: what is the right keymap for an apple powerbook?
[05:48] <TML> Does ubuntu have an equivalent to packages.d.o?
[05:49] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:50] <fr500> hello
[05:51] <BockBilbo> any of you have tried to install hoary from the latest installation iso?
[05:51] <fr500> what are the differences between warthy and hoary?
[05:51] <Nermal> any idea when php5 will be packaged for hoary or if there are any packages available anywhere else ?
[05:51] <BockBilbo> fr500, warty is actually de stable version
[05:52] <fr500> oh
[05:52] <fr500> thx
[05:52] <BockBilbo> which has no updates but the bug fix upgrades
[05:52] <BockBilbo> i think
[05:52] <BockBilbo> hoary is the development version, which is actually about to become stable in april
[05:53] <BockBilbo> logically hoary has more up to date programs, but isnt as stable as warty
[05:53] <fr500> i have a laptop, how can i enable the Fn keys? i' mostly interested in hibernation
[05:54] <BockBilbo> fr500, i have no idea... but.. im using a laptop now too... and ubuntu detected my fn keys automatically
[05:54] <fr500> hmmm
[05:54] <fr500> you have hibernation and sleep mode?
[05:54] <BockBilbo> i just configured the key combinations in the gnome system
[05:54] <BockBilbo> fr500, i think i dont
[05:55] <Schaap> Hi, ifi want to install a USb webcam
[05:55] <Schaap> do i need to install software first
[05:55] <fr500> i like hibernation a lot but i havent got it to work
[05:55] <fr500> actually i dont have a clue on how to do it
[05:55] <Schaap> before inserting the USB device?
[05:55] <BockBilbo> hae you find info in the wiki?
[05:55] <shekhar> hello can someone help me with the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[05:55] <Schaap> i wanna create some sort of security thing
[05:56] <fr500> i'll loook for it now
[05:56] <Schaap> and link it to my webserver
[05:56] <dido161> Hello
[05:56] <cavediver> Hi. I'm using Hoary and have no flash and Java in my browser. How do I install that?
[05:57] <sgteich> is there a way to add screen resolutions to the desktop?
[05:57] <BockBilbo> cavediver
[05:57] <BockBilbo> look at the ubuntu guide
[05:57] <fr500> cave: synaptic
[05:58] <jacquesmerde> why doesnt ubuntu like me putting themes in ~/.themes/ ? does ubuntu want me to put theme somewhere else?
[05:58] <cavediver> I've installed libflash-mozplugin and it doesn't do anything...
[05:58] <fr500> are u using firefox?
[05:58] <BockBilbo> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:58] <cavediver> Yes,
[05:58] <BockBilbo> cavediver look in that link
[05:58] <dido161> I need some helo with Ubuntu not seeing FIberChannel hard drive connected to a QLA2100 during th einstall....anybody can hel me with it?..:)
[05:58] <cavediver> I will
[05:58] <BockBilbo> everything you need is explained there
[05:58] <fr500> ceve: u need flashplayer-mozilla
[05:59] <shekhar> can someone tell me the name of the package to install for mp3 plugin in rhythm box?
[05:59] <jacquesmerde> shekhar gstreamer-mad
[05:59] <BockBilbo> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:59] <jacquesmerde> what he said
[05:59] <jacquesmerde> why doesnt ubuntu like me putting themes in ~/.themes/ ? does ubuntu want me to put theme somewhere else?
[06:00] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, what do you mean?
[06:00] <Echylo> loool
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[06:00] <cavediver> BockBilbo: The guide wants med to install flashplayer-mozilla, but I don't have that package availible and marrilat ain't working with amd64 port.
[06:00] <shekhar> BockBilbo, it is not in apt-get
[06:01] <fr500> cave u need to add the apt repos first
[06:01] <BockBilbo> shekhar, it is, but you have to add repos
[06:01] <BockBilbo> look at the restrictedformats page
[06:01] <BockBilbo> in the official wiki
[06:01] <shekhar> link?
[06:01] <BockBilbo> everything you need is explained ther shekhar
[06:01] <jacquesmerde> BockBilbo, i dload a gnome2 theme, extract it to ~/.themes, then go sysyem configuration -> themes ->install -> file, but does nothing
[06:02] <cavediver> fr500: It's in marrilat, which doesn't work-
[06:02] <BockBilbo> cavediver,
[06:02] <fr500> well, what is marrilat?
[06:02] <cavediver> fr500: a repository-
[06:02] <BockBilbo> cavediver, it isnt in marrillat
[06:02] <cavediver> Really. I have all others. Universe and multiverse
[06:02] <cavediver> can't find that package anyway.
[06:02] <fr500> hmmm
[06:03] <BockBilbo> cavediver, there ar lots of repos available from diferents distros
[06:03] <BockBilbo> go to the wiki page
[06:03] <BockBilbo> ....
[06:03] <BockBilbo> cavediver, if you want to install java
[06:03] <BockBilbo> you need to download jre 5.0 from the sun page
[06:03] <jacquesmerde> BlackBilbo, whats the point of "install theme..." in the theme choser if gnome gets you to put your themes into a hidden directory which "install theme..." won't let you browse to
[06:04] <cavediver> I know. Doing it right now.
[06:04] <sgteich> is there a file I need to edit besides the XF86Config-4 file to get 1600X1280 on the desktop
[06:04] <sgteich> ?
[06:04] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I'm back
[06:04] <BockBilbo> and then execute the binary file doing sudo ./jdkbinary.bin
[06:04] <jacquesmerde> cavediver, the instructions on ubuntuguide.org and the ubuntu wiki are exactly the same for jre
[06:04] <CarlK> how can I turn off the hotplug manager?
[06:04] <raydoo_> hello
[06:04] <jacquesmerde> tritium, woke up finally?
[06:04] <BockBilbo> after you do that, just follow the instructions of the ubuntu guide to create simlinks to it
[06:05] <CarlK> I am trying to simplify my lack of sound card problem
[06:05] <BockBilbo> and to add the java plugin to firefox
[06:05] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, it's noon here.  It's my lunch break!
[06:05] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, i also had that problem installing some gnome themes
[06:05] <BockBilbo> :(
[06:05] <BockBilbo> sucked...
[06:05] <tritium> I wish I got that much sleep...
[06:05] <jacquesmerde> well, its 4am here, its my try and make my computer less screwed break
[06:05] <cavediver> Actually FF discovers a flash plugin when trying to access a page. Even claims to install it. But it doesn't work :=)
[06:05] <Schaap> nothing in the wiki about webcams and ubuntu
[06:05] <tritium> Ah, are things not going well?
[06:05] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, have you downloaded the metacity-themes packages from apt, those themes work fine!
[06:06] <jacquesmerde> BockBilbo..so its only SOME gnome themes? or all? how did you get around that? is it a debian thing or an ubuntu thing?
[06:06] <CarlK> Schaap - I think I saw something.. lemem look
[06:06] <jacquesmerde> BockBilbo..no...i never really understood what metacity actually is
[06:06] <tritium> jacquesmerde, what problem are you tackling now?
[06:06] <legion> its a window manager... iirc
[06:06] <BockBilbo> cavediver, for installing the FF flash plugin i did nothing but install it from FF itself
[06:07] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, its the window manager in which gnome is based i think
[06:07] <BockBilbo> download that package
[06:07] <BockBilbo> and youll get themes for gnome
[06:07] <BockBilbo> also try downloading gnome-gartoon-theme
[06:07] <BockBilbo> for icon themes
[06:07] <BockBilbo> and...
[06:07] <raydoo_> can somebody help me with an cisco wifi card ?
[06:08] <BockBilbo> i think there is also a gnome-themes package
[06:08] <BockBilbo> tritium, hes trying to install some gnome themes
[06:08] <BockBilbo> but they dont work
[06:08] <jacquesmerde> BockBilbo, installed metacity-themes..now how do i get them selectable from my theme selector program?
[06:09] <tritium> BockBilbo, odd...
[06:09] <Echylo> with what program I can unrar files in ubuntu?
[06:09] <BockBilbo> yes
[06:09] <jacquesmerde> tritium, turns out polypaudio was working fine, my problem was something far worse. so i've just switched back to warty. (though that has present an equally frustrating bug with rhythmbox)
[06:09] <tritium> jacquesmerde, oh?  What was your problem?
[06:09] <BockBilbo> Echylo, unrar
[06:09] <jacquesmerde> tritium, which?!?
[06:09] <Echylo> hmm
[06:09] <neighborlee> Echylo, there is unrar for linux..dont recall where but there is as I have it..not in repoistory so you'll have to google
[06:09] <tritium> tritium, the one that you say was far worse...
[06:10] <Echylo> k thx
[06:10] <Amaranth> neighborlee: It's in one of the repositories.
[06:10] <BockBilbo> Echylo, you must have it in your repositories
[06:10] <BockBilbo> ther is also the unrar-nonfree package
[06:10] <neighborlee> Amaranth, then its new as when I checked last month there was nothing
[06:10] <Amaranth> There is a free version that doesn't always work and a non-free version that worked 100% of the time for me.
[06:10] <Amaranth> I've had it since I first started using Ubuntu.
[06:10] <BockBilbo> neighborlee, its not new
[06:10] <neighborlee> I ran synatpic and checkd for
[06:10] <neighborlee> unrar..and nothing came up
[06:11] <jacquesmerde> tritium, oh, i'm just being melodramatic. but someone else was helping me, but it seemed that polypaudio was working just fine...so i have no idea what the problem is at all
[06:11] <tritium> oho
[06:11] <sgteich> is there a file I need to edit besides the XF86Config-4 file to get 1600X1280 on the desktop?
[06:11] <BockBilbo> neighborlee, apt-cache search unrar
[06:11] <tritium> oh, ok
[06:11] <tritium> cavediver, are you installing java?
[06:11] <Amaranth> sgteich: There is a tool for that in GNOME.
[06:11] <cavediver> tritium: just ready
[06:11] <Amaranth> I just can't remember which menu...
[06:11] <CarlK> Schaap - nm... I can't find anyting
[06:11] <tritium> cavediver, are you going to build your own .deb with java-package?
[06:12] <Xappe> the nonfree totally working unrar can be found at www.rarlabs.com
[06:12] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, for what?
[06:12] <cavediver> tritium: no, did the bin-installer and manually linked it. Dl from sun.
[06:12] <Echylo> nonfree totally working?
[06:12] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: screen resolution
[06:12] <BockBilbo> its in the system menu
[06:12] <tritium> cavediver, oh, okay...I was going to suggest java-package to you if you weren't too far along already.
[06:13] <BockBilbo> System-->Preferences
[06:13] <jacquesmerde> tritium, you heard of rhythmbox being asked to import a directory, importing a couple of the files, and then sitting there searching indefinitely without importing more files?
[06:13] <BockBilbo> (in hoary)
[06:13] <sgteich> Amaranth: I found that, but I don't have any resolution about 1280X1024 listed....
[06:13] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, not really.
[06:13] <sgteich> above 1280
[06:13] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, it does search
[06:13] <BockBilbo> but it takes lots of time
[06:13] <tritium> jacquesmerde, but I do know that you can install gnome themes in hidden directories
[06:14] <Amaranth> sgteich: Then you need to edit the config file.
[06:14] <mmuller> whoooo, nearly missed ubuntu love day !!
[06:14] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you have to right-click in the directory browser and check "Show Hidden Files"
[06:14] <sgteich> Amarnth: I've added the setting in the XF86Config-4 file.....
[06:14] <Amaranth> sgteich: You need to restart X.
[06:15] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, or CTRL+H if you have warty
[06:15] <sgteich> Amaranth: I've done that also....
[06:15] <Amaranth> sgteich: Hrm.
[06:15] <mmuller> does anyone feel like testing a .deb i just made for graveman 0.3.8 which i want to add to hoary if the dev's allow it
[06:15] <Amaranth> sgteich: Are you using hoary?
[06:16] <cavediver> Anyone know which repository to add for flashplayer-mozilla ? It doesn't say in the guide.
[06:16] <ago73> Hi
[06:16] <sgteich> Amaranth:Warty
[06:16] <BockBilbo> tritium, Amaranth have you tried the latest hoary alpha installer?
[06:16] <Amaranth> sgteich: I dunno then.
[06:16] <jacquesmerde> tritium, BockBilbo...its not working...you mean right click in the browse box from install theme?
[06:16] <tritium> BockBilbo, no.  Why?
[06:16] <tritium> jacquesmerde, yes
[06:16] <jacquesmerde> does "install theme..." want a .tar.gz or a directory?
[06:17] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Nope, I dist-upgrade'd from warty when Xorg langed.
[06:17] <mmuller> jacquesmerde, .tar.gz afaik
[06:17] <tritium> jacquesmerde, .tar.gz, I believe, although I haven't done it
[06:17] <mmuller> thats what i use
[06:17] <legion> jacquesmerde, it is .tat.gz
[06:17] <legion> *tar
[06:17] <tritium> Amaranth, me too
[06:17] <legion> ;p
[06:17] <BockBilbo> :S see... i had some probs with my ubuntu installation and installed hoary yesterday with that installer
[06:17] <BockBilbo> and it seens to have a prblem
[06:17] <BockBilbo> ...
[06:17] <tritium> with?
[06:17] <tobbe> How do I add stuff to the Applications menu? I've tried nautilus applications:///internet but I get "nautilus applications:///internet is not a valid location". I'm running Hoary
[06:17] <sgteich> Amaranth: Thanks
[06:18] <jacquesmerde> tritium, ctrl-h isnt working. and i have my ~ directory open, so its not like i wouldnt be able to tell...
[06:18] <mmuller> array 5 is out btw guys just incase you weren't aware
[06:18] <BockBilbo> it doesnt have the ESOUND package
[06:18] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:18] <CarlK> hoary - when I run shutdown, aimixer tries to run about 15 times - says "invalid card number" and dumps the syntax ... anyone know whats going on?
[06:18] <tritium> BockBilbo, it was replaced by polypaudio
[06:18] <mz2> in gnome 2.9, how do i change the default apps for mime-types?
[06:18] <mmuller> tobbe, hoary does'nt support app adding to menu's
[06:18] <tritium> tobbe, that's being addressed, though
[06:18] <BockBilbo> tritium, what is polypaudio?
[06:18] <acidmaxd> tobbe: nautilus applications:///
[06:18] <tritium> BockBilbo, a drop-in replacement for esound
[06:19] <mmuller> gnome dev's didnt like the way it worked and took the code out its not just an ubuntu problem
[06:19] <acidmaxd> tobbe: and then click on Internet
[06:19] <tobbe> ok, thanks guys
[06:19] <tritium> BockBilbo, it's a sound server that's designed better
[06:19] <BockBilbo> but... using that some programs' sound wont work
[06:19] <tritium> One sec...
[06:19] <BockBilbo> at least... rythmbox wasnt working
[06:19] <tobbe> acidmaxd, that doesn't work :(
[06:19] <jacquesmerde> tritium, Bockbilbo, this theme selectorjust doesnt work for me, i'm installing gtk-theme-switch
[06:19] <ago73> Does ubuntu work on AMD Sempron?
[06:19] <mmuller> tobbe
[06:19] <mmuller> gnome dev's didnt like the way it worked and took the code out its not just an ubuntu problem
[06:20] <mmuller> :)
[06:20] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Is gstreamer set to use polypaudio?
[06:20] <_4strO> re
[06:20] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: I think /usr/bin/gst-config will let you change that.
[06:20] <tritium> BockBilbo, I had trouble too.  We got it working last night.  You probably have an issue with your session.  See this: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[06:20] <acidmaxd> tobbe: are you using Hoary? I am using Warty :)
[06:21] <tritium> Amaranth, you leave it with ESD selected
[06:21] <Amaranth> tritium: Oh, they symlinked?
[06:21] <BockBilbo> thanks.. gonna see what i can do
[06:21] <jacquesmerde> tritium, running switch2 instead of Desktop Preferences _> Theme solved all my problems. it allowed me to chose from all the themes i'd unpacked intothe .themes directory, but hadnt beeen recognised in  the other selector
[06:22] <tritium> Amaranth, polypaudio replaces esd.  It does include a shell script at /usr/bin/esd
[06:22] <tobbe> acidmaxd, Yeah...
[06:22] <Amaranth> tritium: Well, polypaudio has an esd-like interface, yeah.
[06:22] <jacquesmerde> pardon my type-s, but i just switched to a theme where my text and the text boox are the SAME color in x-chat
[06:22] <tritium> jacquesmerde, very good.
[06:22] <jacquesmerde> *typo's
[06:22] <Amaranth> tritium: I think it has an artsd interface too.
[06:23] <BockBilbo> wow
[06:23] <tritium> Amaranth, yes, it's supposed to be a drop-in replacement for esd.  It has to have that inferace ;)
[06:23] <marcin_ant> hello
[06:23] <tritium> wow what?
[06:23] <BockBilbo> is it like a hyper sound server or what?
[06:23] <tritium> Is it working for you now?
[06:23] <BockBilbo> im downloading it
[06:23] <BockBilbo> ill tell you soon
[06:23] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me how to configure ati driver (fglrx) on xorg?
[06:23] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: It's meant to be a way to join the work of the KDE and GNOME devs, iirc.
[06:24] <tritium> I thought you installed it already.
[06:24] <aplsin> im trying to build psi but i get an error when running configure:
[06:24] <BockBilbo> tritium, nope
[06:24] <aplsin> There was an error compiling 'conf'.  Be sure you have a proper
[06:24] <aplsin> Qt 3.x Multithreaded (MT) build environment set up.  This
[06:24] <aplsin> means not just Qt, but also a C++ compiler, the 'make' command,
[06:24] <aplsin> and any other packages necessary to compile C++ programs.
[06:24] <aplsin> See conf.log for details.
[06:24] <tritium> BockBilbo, then how did you know there was no esound?
[06:24] <BockBilbo> i dont have to uninstall esound-comon
[06:25] <BockBilbo> tritium, cause i installed hoary
[06:25] <mjr> Amaranth, it's a bit easier to imagine both GNOME and KDE using gstreamer with arts or polypaudio backends ;)
[06:25] <BockBilbo> and it had no sound server at all
[06:25] <BockBilbo> !
[06:25] <acidmaxd> aplsin: apt-get install psi ?
[06:25] <Amaranth> mjr: KDE 4 is going to use gstreamer, isn't it?
[06:26] <tritium> BockBilbo, array 5 installed with no sound server?!?
[06:26] <aplsin> acidmaxd, old version, i want the latest.
[06:26] <Amaranth> array 5 is out?
[06:26] <afo-blackness> hyea all
[06:26] <BockBilbo> mm i think it was array4
[06:26] <tritium> BockBilbo, ubuntu-desktop depends on polypaudio...
[06:26] <mjr> Amaranth, I'm not sure, but at least gstreamer does try to be desktop-neutral. I hope it is.
[06:27] <mjr> Amaranth, I'm not following KDE stuff that closely
[06:27] <afo-blackness> i have an question how can i use an .bin in linux here ? ubuntu.... really cant find it i used chmod a+x Desktop realplayer10gold.bin but then it says unknown file or map :S so how to compile ?
[06:28] <BockBilbo> tritium, and before polyaudio was inforced, to which esound package was ubuntu-desktop depending on?
[06:28] <BockBilbo> esound-common?
[06:28] <cavediver> it's a binary
[06:28] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: chmod +x realplayer10gold.bin && ./realplayer10gold.bin
[06:28] <Amaranth> mjr: I know KDE apps are starting to use gstreamer (amarok) so hopefully that'll help. It'd be nice to have toolkits be the only main difference between the two DEs.
[06:28] <cavediver> afo-blackness: sh real.bin
[06:28] <tritium> BockBilbo, no, esound
[06:28] <afo-blackness> ok i ll try it
[06:28] <BockBilbo> well..
[06:28] <BockBilbo> see.. in the installation i did
[06:28] <tritium> BockBilbo, lots of others dep. on esound-common, though
[06:28] <BockBilbo> yeah
[06:29] <mmuller> any dev's here atm ?
[06:29] <BockBilbo> cause in the installation i did i just had esound-common installed
[06:29] <tritium> Amaranth, yes, its' out
[06:29] <BockBilbo> esound wasnt installed
[06:29] <BockBilbo> :S
[06:29] <tritium> BockBilbo, well, no matter...
[06:29] <Riddell> Amaranth: no decision yet on multimedia for KDE 4, but gstreamer is the obvious choice
[06:29] <BockBilbo> :S
[06:30] <selinium_> Hi everyone, is there anyone here who uses bluefish?
[06:30] <afo-blackness> euhm guys even then it says it doesnt work
[06:30] <Amaranth> Now all we need is a QT theme that uses GTK to match the gtk-qt engine. ;)
[06:30] <afo-blackness> it cant find it :S
[06:30] <Amaranth> Or is that not possible with QT?
[06:30] <BockBilbo> tritium, so.. if i want to switch to polypaudio do i have to remove the gnome-desktop?
[06:30] <BockBilbo> cause i guess i would have to remove the esound-common package, righr?
[06:30] <tritium> BockBilbo, no
[06:31] <tobbe> How do I change the language my GTK apps use for spell checking?
[06:31] <tritium> BockBilbo, you keep esound-common
[06:31] <tobbe> (i.e. Gaim)
[06:31] <BockBilbo> alright
[06:31] <afo-blackness> i did "chmod +x realplayer10gold.bin && ./realplayer10gold.bin" in my terminal and still cant find file or map
[06:31] <selinium_> Hi everyone, is there anyone here who uses bluefish? I am trying to save a file but it wont let me :(
[06:31] <BockBilbo> so... right now for example, i have all the polypaudio packages installed and just the esound-common package
[06:31] <tritium> afo-blackness, what does "file realplayer10gold.bin" say?
[06:32] <BockBilbo> and i can heard the sound...
[06:32] <aplsin> acidmaxd,  i found out what was wrong, i needed the multithreaded version of QT, i didnt RTFD :)
[06:32] <afo-blackness> also cant find map
[06:32] <BockBilbo> can i guess that im running polyaudio?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> afo-blackness: you are probably in the wrong directory
[06:32] <raydoo_> can sombody help me with my cisc wifi card
[06:32] <raydoo_> aem cisco
[06:32] <tritium> BockBilbo, it's probably not running
[06:32] <acidmaxd> i was wondering... i am using Skype, on my Gnome desktop, but it looks terrible (built using Qt). Is there any way to make it good-looking (AA fonts at least)
[06:32] <tritium> BockBilbo, see that URL
[06:32] <afo-blackness> wait
[06:32] <afo-blackness> now it says
[06:33] <afo-blackness> cannot open no such file or directory
[06:33] <afo-blackness> it is my desktop
[06:33] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: ls real* ?
[06:33] <thoreauputic> afo-blackness: what dir is it in? I bet it's on the desktop, right?
[06:33] <tritium> BockBilbo, you can hear sound?
[06:33] <afo-blackness> yes it is
[06:33] <tritium> BockBilbo, then maybe you're all set.
[06:33] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: well, open terminal, type "cd Desktop" and then repeat the commands
[06:33] <Amaranth> acidmaxd: Not that I'm aware of.
[06:33] <afo-blackness> and the file stands on my desktop
[06:34] <BockBilbo> tritium, it works
[06:34] <Echylo> what you need to compile c files ?
[06:34] <tritium> BockBilbo, :)
[06:34] <Echylo> know I am lazy :p
[06:34] <thoreauputic> afo-blackness: cd Desktop then chmod +x and ./runthecommand as in instructions
[06:34] <afo-blackness> wait it works already :)
[06:34] <tritium> Echylo, it's easiest to "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[06:34] <BockBilbo> so... that must mean that im using polypaudio, right?
[06:34] <tritium> yu
[06:34] <tritium> yup
[06:35] <Xappe> tritium, have you got polypaudio to work properly now?
[06:35] <aplsin> howcome psi ./configure says "Error: need QCA 1.0!" when i already installed QCA-TLS?
[06:35] <Echylo> and how I compile .c files then?
[06:35] <BockBilbo> even considering that ihave the esound-common package installed?
[06:35] <Echylo> with g++ ?
[06:35] <tritium> BockBilbo, pgrep polypaudio will verify
[06:35] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes...
[06:35] <thoreauputic> aplsin: dev package required for compiling
[06:35] <tritium> Xappe, sure do
[06:36] <tritium> Xappe, you?
[06:36] <acidmaxd> aplsin: why don't you try to fetch ant install the required libraries (using apt-get source psi && apt-get build-dep) ?
[06:36] <afo-blackness> ow no still it says unknown file or map i did it right as the instrucions :S
[06:36] <acidmaxd> aplsin: then try to compile your version
[06:36] <tritium> Echylo, gcc for C compiler.
[06:36] <Xappe> tritium, no :/ what did you do (you can tell me in a query if you wish)
[06:36] <aplsin> thoreauputic, aaah, but i dont think its in the respiritory
[06:36] <thoreauputic> aplsin: those errors almost always mean you lack the relevant dev packages
[06:36] <aplsin> acidmaxd, i already did
[06:36] <tritium> Xappe, try this:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[06:36] <Xappe> tritium, ok, will do
[06:37] <aplsin> thoreauputic, yeah, but qca-tls-dev isnt in the respitory :/
[06:37] <BockBilbo> tritium "pgrep polypaudio" shows nothing :S
[06:37] <thoreauputic> aplsin: you have multiverse and universe enabled?
[06:37] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: "cd Desktop && ls [rR] eal*"
[06:37] <tritium> BockBilbo, dpkg -l | grep esound
[06:37] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hiho
[06:38] <tritium> BockBilbo, and pgrep esd
[06:38] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: what is the output of this command?
[06:38] <aplsin> thoreauputic, yep
[06:38] <BockBilbo> tritium, what output should i get?
[06:38] <afo-blackness> guys ok i think it worked now it says: name.bin elf 32-bit lsb executable blabla bla is it ok ?
[06:38] <afo-blackness> Dynamicly linked etc
[06:38] <tritium> BockBilbo, do you see the "esound" package from the first?
[06:38] <aplsin> thoreauputic, you search for "qca" and tell me what you get
[06:39] <BockBilbo> yes
[06:39] <BockBilbo> esound-clients and esound-common
[06:39] <tritium> BockBilbo, but not just "esound"?
[06:39] <BockBilbo> nope
[06:39] <tritium> good deal
[06:39] <tritium> now, just verify that esd is not running
[06:39] <BockBilbo> how?
[06:39] <tritium> pgrep esd
[06:39] <BockBilbo> top?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> aplsin: I get qca-tls but no dev package :/
[06:40] <BockBilbo> it is running
[06:40] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:40] <BockBilbo> 8499
[06:40] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: yes
[06:40] <tritium> BockBilbo, oh...
[06:40] <BockBilbo> i guess i have to restart the sound server...
[06:40] <afo-blackness> now it says file.bin unkown file or map
[06:40] <tritium> BockBilbo, you better follow http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[06:40] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: i don't think i can understand you
[06:40] <BockBilbo> ok
[06:40] <BockBilbo> brbr
[06:40] <afo-blackness> "/exec name.bin" gets me /name.bin unkown file or map
[06:40] <aplsin> thoreauputic, yeah same here.. :/
[06:41] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: the file 'file.bin' is on your Desktop, right?
[06:41] <afo-blackness> yes
[06:41] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: the name is 'file.bin' ?
[06:41] <afo-blackness> no
[06:41] <afo-blackness> it is realmediaplayer10gold.bin
[06:41] <tritium> afo-blackness, what does "file realmediaplayer10gold.bin" say?
[06:41] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: now... open Terminal, type "file realmediaplayer10gold.bin"
[06:41] <acidmaxd> tritium: :)
[06:41] <tritium> acidmaxd, :)
[06:41] <afo-blackness> ELf 32 executble etc etc
[06:42] <tritium> okay, good
[06:42] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: good, now type "chmod +x realmediaplayer10gold.bin"
[06:42] <shock> blargh ... finally... my keyboard works again
[06:42] <shock> *sigh*
[06:42] <afo-blackness> done
[06:42] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: ... and then
[06:42] <acidmaxd> ./realmediaplayer10gold.bin
[06:42] <afo-blackness> i get an new commanline
[06:43] <afo-blackness> yeah !
[06:43] <afo-blackness> it installs
[06:43] <afo-blackness> whooo
[06:43] <afo-blackness> t
[06:43] <acidmaxd> heh :)
[06:43] <afo-blackness> tnx acid :)
[06:43] <afo-blackness> lol this is my first time with linux so i need to learn pretty much ^^
[06:44] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: http://www.ubuntuguide.org is the best resource
[06:44] <zido> i still don't get this.. when i try starting my eggdrop with Tcl scripts, i get this: invalid command name "..../scripts.tcl" while executing "..../scrilts.tcl"
[06:46] <afo-blackness> ok acid tnx
[06:48] <tioumen_2k5> lut
[06:48] <BockBilbo> tritium
[06:48] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes?
[06:48] <BockBilbo> i have restarted, and now esd is not running
[06:48] <BockBilbo> and polypaudio looks to be the sound server
[06:48] <tritium> BockBilbo, good
[06:48] <BockBilbo> (its running)
[06:49] <tritium> ok
[06:49] <BockBilbo> i have sound-clients and esound-common when doing dpkg -l | grep esound
[06:49] <BockBilbo> and the sound works...
[06:49] <BockBilbo> but i have 2 problems
[06:50] <hawkman> any easy to install archive progs that can handle .rar for ubuntu ?
[06:50] <tritium> BockBilbo, those esound packages are not a problem
[06:50] <BockBilbo> tritium, hehe.. those packages arent my problem
[06:50] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:50] <tritium> ok
[06:51] <BockBilbo> my first problem is that gnome sounds sound... but... for example rythmbox doesnt work
[06:51] <CarlK> something is runnign amixer 15 times on both startup and shutdown....  on startup it is right before "starting internet superserver"
[06:51] <BockBilbo> when trying to play a song
[06:51] <BockBilbo> it says that "could not pause playback" and that "could not open resource for writing"
[06:52] <BockBilbo> in beep media player, now i cant listen to the music configuring it using esound
[06:52] <thoreauputic> hawkman: enable universe/multiverse and install unrar-nonfree
[06:52] <BockBilbo> ...
[06:53] <BockBilbo> tritium, do you have the same problem?
[06:53] <tritium> BockBilbo, that's the problem I had before doing the steps in that URL
[06:53] <BockBilbo> ok
[06:53] <BockBilbo> gonna do them
[06:53] <tritium> You saved your sesson on log out?
[06:53] <Echylo> which namespace should I use for c++ in linux?
[06:53] <tritium> BockBilbo, and you had killed any running sound server?
[06:53] <BockBilbo> nope
[06:53] <BockBilbo> gonna do it now
[06:53] <BockBilbo> hold on
[06:54] <crimsun> Echylo: std; ?
[06:54] <tritium> BockBilbo, that's what you were going to run off and do...
[06:54] <tritium> silly
[06:54] <Echylo> ow wait a sec
[06:54] <Echylo> omg
[06:54] <Echylo> I was trying to compile it with a c compiler
[06:54] <evarlast> Echylo: std
[06:54] <Echylo> :|
[06:54] <Echylo> that explains the errors
[06:54] <tritium> g++ Echylo
[06:54] <Echylo> :shy:
[06:54] <Echylo> yea
[06:54] <Echylo> I know
[06:55] <Echylo> was trying gcc
[06:55] <BockBilbo> brb
[06:57] <Echylo> where are the arguments stand for in int main(int nNumberofArgs, char* pszArgs[] )
[06:58] <CarlK> looks like then number of parameters, then an array of the parameters
[06:58] <crimsun> Echylo: do you mean "what do they mean?" the first is the number of arguments passed on the command line; the second is an array...  like CarlK typed.
[06:58] <Echylo> hmm
[06:59] <tritium> crimsun, hello again
[06:59] <crimsun> typically it's: int argc, char *argv[]    (or char **argv)
[06:59] <crimsun> but again, that's just an actual parameter expression, so it doesn't much matter
[06:59] <crimsun> hi tritium
[06:59] <Echylo> k
[07:00] <CarlK> dmesg shows: "Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda2 ro nousb nobiospnp noacpi"
[07:00] <evarlast> don't forget char**env in tehre :)
[07:00] <CarlK> then pnp: PnP ACPI: ACPI disable ... PnPBIOS: Scanning system for PnP BIOS support...
[07:01] <CarlK> shouldn't it not do that?
[07:01] <CarlK> or is the kernel option just nopnp ?
[07:03] <crimsun> CarlK: noisapnp pci=noacpi
[07:03] <CarlK> thanks
[07:03] <Thom_Holwerda> aaargh the ubuntu-sparc install keeps hanging in second stage
[07:04] <Thom_Holwerda> there appears to be something wrong with some evolution deps or something
[07:04] <CarlK> is there some way to log the output durring shutdown?
[07:05] <CarlK> something is freaking out and runing amixer about 15 times,  but I have no sound, so it errors
[07:05] <CarlK> which is probably why it is run 15 times
[07:07] <BockBilbo> tritium!!!! 1 of 2 problems solved
[07:07] <BockBilbo> :)
[07:07] <tritium> BockBilbo, okay.  Now what?
[07:07] <BockBilbo> ok
[07:07] <BockBilbo> yhe next is that
[07:07] <BockBilbo> everytime i boot ubuntu
[07:07] <BockBilbo> the sound is muted
[07:07] <BockBilbo> and the master volume is off
[07:08] <tritium> BockBilbo, but polypaudio is now working in gnome?
[07:08] <BockBilbo> i have to unmute it and turn up the master volume in order to listen
[07:08] <tritium> with system sounds, rhythmbox, etc?
[07:08] <BockBilbo> tritium, i guess so
[07:08] <BockBilbo> yes
[07:08] <tritium> BockBilbo, great.
[07:09] <BockBilbo> though, beep media player isnt working fine..
[07:09] <BockBilbo> but anyways, ill get to fix it bymyself
[07:09] <BockBilbo> ... now.. do you know how to fix the muted problem?
[07:09] <tritium> But your Multimedia Systems Selector is set to ESD...
[07:09] <CarlK> hmm, it beeped 15 times... I don't remember beeps before... so maybe a hint of progress
[07:10] <BockBilbo> tritium, it is
[07:10] <Torakiky> hi, I need help...who can help me?
[07:10] <CarlK> not me
[07:10] <tritium> BockBilbo, I usually use alsamixer when I first set up sound.
[07:10] <tritium> BockBilbo, and I haven't had that problem.
[07:10] <BockBilbo> tritium, both default sink and source are set with esound
[07:10] <BockBilbo> :S
[07:11] <tritium> BockBilbo, good
[07:11] <racoontje> Hi!
[07:11] <WW> Torakiky: Ask your question. If someone can help, they (probably) will.
[07:11] <CarlK> the memtest that gets installed is 1.3, but the current release is 3.1... who should I tell?
[07:11] <tritium> BockBilbo, try using alsamixer.  It should save your volume settings, I believe.
[07:11] <BockBilbo> ok
[07:12] <crimsun> CarlK: memtest86+ != memtest86
[07:12] <crimsun> CarlK: (and the newest version of the latter is 3.2)
[07:12] <BockBilbo> brb
[07:12] <Torakiky> I don't know how to change the default audio card
[07:13] <Torakiky> in hoary there isn't alsaconf
[07:13] <tritium> that's true
[07:13] <Torakiky> how can I do?
[07:14] <Yannick_> If I installed Hoary array 4, does the updatemanager keepmy Ubuntu to current, or do I have to install array 5?
[07:16] <rel> how can I reinstall nvidia-kernel driver after having booted into a new kernel?
[07:16] <tritium> rel, just make sure you have the matching linux-restricted-modules
[07:16] <evarlast> rel: you have to rebuild the kernel module, basically run the nvidia installer again.
[07:17] <evarlast> tritium: oh is there a deb?  cool.
[07:17] <rel> tritium, Ive tried 2.6.11 -amd64, guess it doesnt have restricted modules
[07:17] <tritium> evarlast, absolutly
[07:17] <tritium> absolutely
[07:17] <tritium> rel, that's not stable yet
[07:18] <tritium> rel and none of the kernel metapackage depend on anything > 2.6.10
[07:18] <rel> i know.. 2.6.10 isnt stable either i suppose
[07:18] <thenuke> Argh, why ubuntu kind of letterboxes screen on laptop..
[07:18] <tobbe> I lost my internet connection. Did anyone replay to my question about spell checking?
[07:18] <tritium> rel, but that's what the metapackages depend on, and they're "supported" with restricted modules
[07:18] <thenuke> it uses only the middle section of the screen
[07:19] <crimsun> 2.6.11 is experimental, hence why it's in universe
[07:19] <rel> Tr0gd0r,
[07:19] <thenuke> lots of empty space on top and bottom parts of screen in console
[07:19] <Beertje|GONE> is it usefull to upgrade to hoary
[07:19] <thenuke> Beertje|GONE: No.
[07:19] <tritium> evarlast, you'be been building your own?
[07:19] <Echylo> how to take a square in c++
[07:20] <Echylo> sqr(variable); ?
[07:20] <Beertje|GONE> ok thx thenuke
[07:20] <Beertje|GONE> :)
[07:20] <thenuke> Beertje|GONE: most propablt it will brake sooner or later
[07:20] <Beertje|GONE> i'll stay with warty ;)
[07:20] <rel> tritium, oke. i come from gentoo and therein its easy. whatever the kernel I install its just "emerge nvidia-kernel/glx". Why isnt this done for ubuntu also
[07:20] <evarlast> tritium: not on ubuntu.  I've not yet used nvidia on ubuntu, but I'm supposed to get a card soon (lent to friend)  so this is useful info
[07:20] <Echylo> eindelijk iemand van belgi
[07:20] <Echylo> beertje :p
[07:20] <Beertje|GONE> Jow :)
[07:20] <Echylo> hehe
[07:21] <WW> Echylo: Do you mean a square root?
[07:21] <evarlast> Echylo: pow()
[07:21] <Echylo> ok
[07:21] <Beertje|GONE> Echylo, #ubuntu-nl
[07:21] <Beertje|GONE> :))
[07:21] <tritium> rel, we don't need to build our packages
[07:21] <zenrox> for ubuntu to get nvidia is 2 simpole steps sudo apt-get nivida-glx nvidia-setting
[07:21] <rel> tritium, just for the nvidia kernel as it is already binary
[07:21] <tritium> zenrox, yes, but he's using kernel 2.6.11
[07:21] <zenrox> then nvidia-settings enable
[07:21] <tobbe> evarlast, isn't it faster do do iNum*iNum ?
[07:22] <zenrox> tritium,  still shouldent matter
[07:22] <evarlast> tobbe: probably, but who knows, maybe pow is optimized.
[07:22] <rel> zenrox, how?
[07:22] <tritium> zenrox, yes, it matters, as there are not linux-restricted-modules-2.6.11
[07:22] <rel> zenrox, apt-get reinstall nvidia-glx?
[07:22] <zenrox> oh ya thats right it need the restricted modules
[07:23] <tritium> as I was saying
[07:23] <tobbe> evarlast, yeah, it should be, but I've allways heard that pow() is slow when doing anything less than ^4
[07:23] <rel> tritium, so, the only way out is to use the installer script?
[07:23] <tritium> rel, no, you can build your own from nvidia-kernel-source
[07:23] <agenteo_> hi I need to install pgadminIII version 1.2, I've googled and founded it on hoary... can you giveme an url about installing packages from hoary? Thanks...
[07:24] <tritium> rel, it's simple.  You just need linux-headers, and kernel-package
[07:24] <zenrox> agenteo_,  do sudo apt-get pgadminIII
[07:24] <agenteo_> it's not 1.2
[07:24] <agenteo_> in wharty
[07:24] <evarlast> tobbe: I don't see why it would be any slower, except for the added function call, which would probably get inlined by the compiler.
[07:25] <zenrox> agenteo_,  then get the source and compile it
[07:25] <tritium> rel, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source", and then read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source to build your own nvidia module since you're using 2.6.11
[07:25] <agenteo_> zenrox: pgadmin people suggest to use a packages version... there's a debian one but not all the dependencies are satisfied
[07:26] <rel> tritium, oke. gonna try that. thanks
[07:26] <zenrox> agenteo_,  then upgrade to hoary
[07:26] <tobbe> evarlast, I don't know. Probably won't notice any speed difference anyway no matter what method you choose...
[07:26] <tritium> rel, sure
[07:26] <zenrox> agenteo_, and hope for the best
[07:26] <kengur> hi, how do i add another category to gnome application menu? like Development?
[07:27] <Thom_Holwerda> is there some sort of "force" command in apt-get?
[07:27] <mmuller> kengur, if ur hoary you cant
[07:27] <CarlK> I am running hoary - I should be using polyaudio, not esound, right?
[07:28] <kengur> i'm warty
[07:28] <tritium> CarlK, yes
[07:28] <CarlK> tritium - thanks
[07:29] <tritium> np
[07:29] <Yannick_> when is hoary giong final, around april 2005?
[07:29] <afo-blackness> back again with anothwr question.  i have an nvidea card in the linux pc by the guide it says this apt get install nvidia-glx thats step 1 what does they mean by that ?
[07:29] <CarlK> and crimsun - thanks for the memtest info
[07:29] <zenrox> afo-blackness,  thats so it can get the package
[07:29] <kengur> afo-blackness, u have to activate the driver
[07:29] <BockBilbo> this sucks
[07:29] <BockBilbo> :S
[07:29] <Yannick_> If I remember well 5.04 means 4th month of 2005, I'm I right, anyone?
[07:30] <tritium> BockBilbo, what?
[07:30] <afo-blackness> yeah but must i said in in the terminal ?
[07:30] <BockBilbo> ...
[07:30] <zenrox> Yannick_, probly true
[07:30] <mmuller> Yannick_,  sounds right warty was 4.10 october 2004
[07:30] <BockBilbo> well... the new sound server works just by doing what it is told in the page you gave me...
[07:30] <afo-blackness> unable to lock the administraton directory :S
[07:30] <BockBilbo> but... after restarting the session
[07:31] <BockBilbo> i have to do it all over again
[07:31] <BockBilbo> :s
[07:31] <tritium> BockBilbo, have you tried saving your session on logout just once?
[07:31] <Torakiky> someone can give me the hoary repository?
[07:31] <BockBilbo> tritium, yes
[07:31] <BockBilbo> :s
[07:31] <BockBilbo> same problem
[07:31] <Yannick_> mmuller, great, but I thought it was due in march, is it posible that the first date was 5.03?
[07:31] <zenrox> Torakiky,  change all the warty ones into hoary
[07:31] <tritium> BockBilbo, hmm, I must admit I haven't logged out since I got it working last night...
[07:32] <tritium> Maybe I should try it myself.
[07:32] <BockBilbo> lol
[07:32] <BockBilbo> xD
[07:32] <Torakiky> no zenrox , i HAVE HOARY INSTALLED
[07:32] <crimsun> (caps)
[07:32] <afo-blackness> wait !
[07:32] <afo-blackness> now it asks for an password but i cant enter it :S
[07:32] <BockBilbo> tritium try it now in one sec and tell me... just log out and go to gdm again...
[07:32] <Torakiky> but on the base repository a lot of packages are missed
[07:33] <BockBilbo> there is no need to reboot
[07:33] <afo-blackness> nevermind
[07:33] <afo-blackness> wierd
[07:33] <crimsun> Torakiky: did you upgrade from warty, or did you install freshly via array[45] ?
[07:33] <afo-blackness> it didnt show the psw
[07:33] <tritium> BockBilbo, I wil..
[07:33] <tritium> will
[07:33] <BockBilbo> alright
[07:33] <afo-blackness> however it is running now :)
[07:33] <Torakiky> i installed it from the cd
[07:33] <invisible_jim> currently running 2.6.8.1standard kernel on a compaq armada m700 (laptop). ive tried to run a custom recompile of the same version, code compiles and installs fine but on boot i get:- 'Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)' --- ive checked to most common things, making sure to compile with root filesystem, IDE support etc in the kernel but i keep getting the same problem. at the minute my lappy is compili
[07:33] <invisible_jim> ng without support for ext3 extended attributes, im hoping that will help. any suggestions?
[07:34] <BockBilbo> when will polypauido be installed by default in ubuntu?? in the hoary release?...
[07:34] <Torakiky> crimsun, I installed it from the cd
[07:34] <BockBilbo> cause in array 4 doesnt work properly
[07:35] <evarlast> invisible_jim: using a initrd that has the ide drivers?
[07:35] <crimsun> Torakiky: _which_ cd?
[07:35] <invisible_jim> how do you mean, evarlast?
[07:35] <Torakiky> crimsun,  I downloaded it from ubuntulinux.org
[07:36] <evarlast> invisible_jim: regular debian/ubuntu kernels do not have support for IDE or SCSI in the kernel itself, but as modules.
[07:36] <mmuller> when will beagle be released guys ?
[07:36] <evarlast> so the kernel has an initrd (initial root disk) that has kernel modules (drivers) for the ide or scsi for your system.
[07:37] <evarlast> invisible_jim: so you need to be sure to boot with an initrd
[07:37] <mmuller> Yannick_, sorry can't answer that one
[07:37] <Yannick_> mmuller, no problem
[07:38] <invisible_jim> yea, ill have to check to make sure, but i think i am. i use the '--initrd binary' option when building the .deb and my grub menu lists an initrd for the new kernel
[07:39] <evarlast> invisible_jim: sounds good.  on boot you should see where it mounts the initrd and loads the ide kernel modules.  If you don't see those, you can tell it is not using initrd, or the initrd doesn't have the ide modules.
[07:39] <afo-blackness> :P
[07:41] <afo-blackness> yeah mp 3 works now in linux cool ^^
[07:41] <evarlast> invisible_jim: you may run mkinitrd manually and see if it puts ide and ext3 modules in there ( the same it true for filesystems ) - you can force it by adding modules to /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[07:41] <tritium> BockBilbo, you're right.  The fix is not permanent.  (crimsun, better not consider the issue resolved)
[07:42] <vi111e> can someone name all the dvd/video-players that I can apt-get to ubuntu
[07:42] <invisible_jim> im using xconfig to configure the kernel, and telling it to compile code for IDE support (not as a module), is that enough? or do i need to be more explicit about getting support in the initrd?
[07:42] <tritium> BockBilbo, I too have to go through the same process with every login, even if I save my session on logut.
[07:42] <BockBilbo> :s
[07:42] <kengur> afo-blackness, u only sudo in ubuntu
[07:42] <BockBilbo> yes tritium...
[07:42] <afo-blackness> i,m just using the musicbox
[07:42] <Echylo> is four in a row unbeatable in ubuntu,
[07:42] <Echylo> :p
[07:42] <BockBilbo> that solution might work for people who keeps the session up much time
[07:42] <tritium> BockBilbo, well, at least we're in the same boat together ;)
[07:42] <BockBilbo> yes
[07:43] <BockBilbo> lol
[07:43] <tritium> BockBilbo, you're right.
[07:43] <invisible_jim> ill try your suggestion, im using the command 'make-kpkg --append-to-version=.frenzy kernel_image --initrd binary' to compile so far.
[07:44] <tritium> crimsun, those procedures you wrote up need to be done after every login
[07:45] <Euphoria> wenas
[07:45] <crimsun> tritium: which set, #1 or #2 (revised, which are supposed to obsolete #1) ?
[07:45] <rubixXx> any1 use steam
[07:45] <tritium> #2, the ones we did really early this morning
[07:46] <crimsun> hum.
[07:46] <crimsun> BockBilbo: all you need to do is update && dist-upgrade, there's no need to reinstall.
[07:47] <BockBilbo> thanks crimsun
[07:48] <BockBilbo> but ive done that today... and the problem still remains
[07:48] <thenuke> why I did not find this earlier :O http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[07:48] <BockBilbo> ive just done what peppo said... gonna reboot to see if it saved the mixer config and if the sound isnt muted at boot
[07:48] <thenuke> now I can have ubuntu in my p233/64 laptop too, and p100/64 machines too =)
[07:48] <no0tic> I'm on hoary, I'm trying to install gnome-cpufreq-applet and it wants me to remove all gnome-applets* packages... it's normal?
[07:49] <BockBilbo> gonna reboot
[07:49] <BockBilbo> brb
[07:50] <nanomad> n0tic: I think it is included with gnome-applets
[07:50] <tritium> haggai, had to do a little "apt-get -f install" to get over a small error updating oo.o2 packages.  No problem.  Was this expected?
[07:50] <minde911> invisible_jim: look in kernel config Miscellaneous filesystems>Compressed ROM file system support is inculuded or not, i had the same problem, compile Compressed ROM file system support in kernel
[07:51] <crimsun> tritium: ok, so it's a gnome-session+polypaudio issue, not sure offhand which is more likely the culprit
[07:51] <no0tic> nanomad: it's another package. I have gnome-applets installed and there's also another package named gnome-cpufreq-applet
[07:51] <tritium> crimsun, sounds right to me, though I wouldn't know either
[07:52] <Einzelganger> A friend of mine who is not very technical has installed Ubuntu Warty on his laptop, but his network card was not recognized during the installation (there is not eth0 available and the installation suggested using etherconf after installation). However, when booted with the live CD of Warty, his networkcard was detected and automatically (dhcp) configured. How can I make it work for him (I was thinking about something with lsmod and
[07:52] <Einzelganger> checking which module is (extra) loaded, but that's hard to talk over over the phone ?
[07:53] <nanomad> n0tic: I have that applet installed (not that package) already with gnome-applets, it is the last in the list
[07:53] <vi111e> how can I test how my ATI card is working ? I have problems installing that fglrx and I was wondering how I can cehck some fps things or such to see how this works? because it is really slow in foobillard
[07:54] <no0tic> nanomad: it isn't the same
[07:55] <nanomad> n0tic: it is sooo strange. what does that applet do?
[07:56] <no0tic> nanomad: i'm no0tic :) same thing, if you don't trust me, search for this package, in hoary (gnome-cpufreq-applet)
[07:57] <no0tic> nanomad: as I try to install it it wants me to remove gnome-applets and gnome-applets-data
[07:57] <jesuel> mmmm pizza
[07:58] <Climber> Hello, I discovered that some fonts installed by Ubuntu by default in "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts", including the important "Helvetica" font, are not selectable in GNOME's font settings. How can that be and how to fix it? Any hints are appreciated.
[07:58] <thenuke> what file it was again which I needed to edit to prevent ubuntu speaking swedish instead of english to me :)
[07:58] <nanomad> n0tic: i've tried this now... u are right. don't know...
[07:58] <tritium> There she is...what's up Tsjoklat ?
[07:58] <afo-blackness> :S ^^
[07:59] <no0tic> nanomad: no0tic, not n0tic :)  it's strange, isn't it?
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> tritium, hello :) not much here.. having lunch.. you?
[07:59] <tritium> Same, late lunch
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> early lunch here
[07:59] <tojileon> Hello
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> debating whether to install polypaudio or not
[07:59] <tritium> Tsjoklat, ah, youre in CA?  I'm in IN.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> tritium, does that stand for Indiana?
[08:00] <tritium> Yes
[08:01] <tojileon> Hello friends. Is this the place to ask technical doubts about Ubuntu?
[08:01] <nanomad> no0tic: sorry... Yes, it's strange. Try a post in the forums...
[08:01] <nanomad> tojileon: yes
[08:02] <no0tic> nanomad: I tried installing it, hoping it would bring also the others applets but it messed up my gnome-panel... recovering
[08:02] <Climber> @villle: You can test if it is installed correctly with "fglrxinfo". If it says something with "ATI", then it should be fine. Try glxgears, too - if it is around 1000 fps, everything should be ok.
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> I see to many issues with polypaudio :(
[08:02] <tritium> Tsjoklat, on bugzilla?
[08:02] <aplsin> someone know where i can get mplayer that works on AMD?
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> tritium, on here and from users complaining to me
[08:02] <tojileon> Good :) (0) Anyone please tell me the equivalent of 'service' and 'chkconfig' commands
[08:03] <tritium> Tsjoklat, it works pretty well for the duration of one session, once you get it setup right.  How often do you log out?
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> tritium, a few times a day... have to reboot in another OS
[08:04] <tritium> oh, well, you may want to wait.  Otherwise you'll be monkeying with polypaudio with every reboot
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> tritium, my idea.. lol
[08:04] <BockBilbo> tritium, :S any ideas of how to fix it?
[08:04] <BockBilbo> ive been doing some experiments now
[08:05] <tritium> BockBilbo, no, not yet.  Did you find anything?
[08:05] <BockBilbo> but Ive got nothing new
[08:05] <tritium> darn
[08:05] <BockBilbo> :(
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> 1) Set all apps to use EsounD output;
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> 2) polypaudio -k
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> 3) polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> 4) Desktop>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Sink>ESD>Test
[08:05] <thoreauputic> tojileon: services are started/stopped with /etc/init.d/nameofservice  start|stop|restart and so on
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> that's the fix I got .. but I have no idea if it will work
[08:05] <tritium> Tsjoklat, that's the "single-session fix"
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> tritium, here is a 'multi-session' fix?
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> there even
[08:06] <tritium> Actually, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[08:06] <thoreauputic> tojileon: of course if you wish you can set up aliases for those commans
[08:06] <thoreauputic> *commands
[08:06] <zido> how do i add another user to sudo users?
[08:06] <tritium> Tsjoklat, don't think there is atm
[08:07] <thoreauputic> zido: visudo
[08:07] <BockBilbo> GOT IT
[08:07] <tritium> BockBilbo, no way.  What?
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> zido, ubuntuguide.org
[08:07] <tritium> but he pauses...
[08:08] <BockBilbo> what tsjoklat said works withouht having to do what the page said
[08:08] <tritium> heh
[08:08] <BockBilbo> see..
[08:08] <crimsun> tsj, how was the birthday? :-)
[08:08] <tritium> BockBilbo, even after logout/login?
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> crimsun, was good thanks! so nice of you to remember :)
[08:08] <BockBilbo> the page said that we have to switch of the server, save session, logout, login, and enable the server
[08:09] <tritium> BockBilbo, that page has those instructions Tsjoklat just paste at the top
[08:09] <BockBilbo> doing what tsjoklat said, we dont have to do that logout login thing
[08:09] <BockBilbo> ...
[08:09] <tritium> BockBilbo, see the page again
[08:09] <tritium> and look at the top
[08:09] <BockBilbo> oh... so.. i guess i didnt read that part
[08:10] <BockBilbo> cause i dont use to read quotes :s
[08:10] <BockBilbo> lol
[08:10] <BockBilbo> xD
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> I'll guess I have to find more guinea pigs to test out polypaudio before even thinking of touching it lol
[08:10] <BockBilbo> anyways... that works fine... so even if doing what the page says doesnt work
[08:10] <BockBilbo> we can still do an script
[08:10] <tritium> although, that's a fairly simple script to run on login
[08:10] <rel> havent had any trouble with polyaudio (whatever that is for)
[08:10] <BockBilbo> yeah
[08:10] <tritium> rel, sound server to replace esound
[08:11] <rel> tritium, ive read on that on a gnome mailing list. gnome and co are still using esd here it seems. overkill?
[08:12] <tritium> rel, ubuntu is using polypaudio now in place of esd
[08:12] <BockBilbo> gonna try saving the session now to see if it works ... otherwise... i guess it would be a good idea to create an script
[08:12] <tritium> BockBilbo, looking forward to your report
[08:12] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:12] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:13] <rel> tritium, ive noticed that. the logfiles read polyaudio all over.
[08:14] <Kvark> I'm kinda new to linux, and have a hard time finding the programs after installing them... any tips on how/where to look for them?
[08:14] <tritium> rel, oh, /var/log/messages?
[08:14] <crimsun> it's a lot of pa spew due to providing the backend for EsounD compatibility, rel.
[08:14] <tritium> hell, my script can't kill polypaudio with "polypaudio -k"
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> still long ways to go for Hoary release
[08:14] <edulix> hi !
[08:15] <crimsun> tritium: try ,,pkill polypaudio || true''
[08:15] <rel> tritium, yes crouwded with it!
[08:15] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> crimsun, what does the double ,, do?
[08:16] <tritium> crimsun, that worked.  Thanks.
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Kvark: type `which progname` (where progname is the name o course)
[08:16] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: it's just the syntax I use to denote a command
[08:17] <tojileon> thoreauputic: Thanks. /etc/init.d/foo {start|stop} will do that temporarily. Right? What if I want to run a service when the system boots up? Or when it changes to another runlevel?
[08:17] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione, are you here?
[08:17] <Kvark> wow, thanks :D
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Kvark: usually they will be in your "path" so they just run by typing the name
[08:17] <Kvark> that makes things a lot easier
[08:17] <thoreauputic> tojileon: look at update-rc.d
[08:17] <Tsjoklat> crimsun, ah okay sorry too early for me I guess
[08:18] <rel> crimsun, oke. distributors/gnome.kde should be supporting alsa instead. would make things simpeler and better
[08:18] <thoreauputic> tojileon: it updates your start up scripts
[08:18] <H0lyD4wg> heya folks. i've searched the wiki and the forums but couldn't find out what was The Right Way to load my iptables rules at boot. anyone can point me at the right direction?
[08:18] <Riddell> rel: alsa is linux only, gnome and kde can't be linux only
[08:18] <tritium> H0lyD4wg, did you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/iptables?
[08:18] <JDigital> Hiho. Can anyone tell me how to set Ubuntu to a resolution higher than 1024*768 or a refresh rate above 60Hz?
[08:18] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: hehe, np
[08:19] <Echylo> how do you save a article in pan full without decoding?
[08:19] <rel> Riddell, oke.. cant kde/gnome then use the audio backend on the hostOS's?
[08:19] <JDigital> The screen resolution options only go up that far.
[08:19] <crimsun> rel: that's precisely what esd and polypaudio are...
[08:20] <rel> crimsun, got the point :)
[08:20] <thoreauputic> JDigital: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or xserver-xorg for Hoary)
[08:20] <tojileon> thoreauputic: Thank you :)
[08:21] <thoreauputic> you can edit the XF86Config-4 file manually, but it isn't recommanded in Debian style distros
[08:21] <thoreauputic> in fact it's warned against...
[08:22] <H0lyD4wg> tritium, i didn't know it existed. reading now.
[08:22] <tritium> H0lyD4wg, yeah, all packages store their docs in /usr/share/doc
[08:22] <copilot> I'm following the wiki guide to recompiling the kernel, is there anything else i should know?
[08:22] <edulix> hi !
[08:22] <rel> tritium, I am about to give up on unsupported kernels and want to make my custom "by ubuntu supported" kernel, but without the zillions of modules loaded, that I don;t need anyway.
[08:22] <tritium> Tsjoklat, so you support users?
[08:23] <edulix> how can I easily configure xfree ? gdm doesn't show. it first blinks and then it ask if I want to see the errors or not
[08:23] <Tsjoklat> tritium, yes I do, got a group of 32 ppl on my ar... I mean neck :P
[08:23] <edulix> it is warty in a imac g3 rev. A
[08:23] <tritium> rel, okay, I recommend using kenrel-package
[08:23] <tritium> Tsjoklat, cool, they use ubuntu?  :)
[08:23] <edulix> is there away to automatically configure xfree?
[08:23] <edulix> (re)configure
[08:23] <tritium> rel, kernel-package, rather ;)
[08:23] <BockBilbo> :s
[08:23] <tritium> edulix, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfre86
[08:24] <tritium> xfree86
[08:24] <BockBilbo> tritium, didnt work following all the steps on the site
[08:24] <tritium> BockBilbo, same problems?
[08:24] <marciano> hello everyone
[08:24] <BockBilbo> and neither adding the 2 polypaudio commands in the session start
[08:24] <BockBilbo> tritium, yes
[08:24] <tritium> BockBilbo, I just made a script
[08:24] <marciano> I just installed the new ubuntu system
[08:24] <BockBilbo> you have?
[08:24] <tritium> yes
[08:24] <BockBilbo> can i try it?
[08:25] <BockBilbo> i was about to do it now
[08:25] <edulix> tritium: when it ask for color depth, I enter <whatever> (24,16,8...) and it always keep saying "/usr/sbin/laptop-detect: line 1: dmiecode: command not found"
[08:25] <JDigital> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" seems to have no effect
[08:25] <tritium> it's just pkill polypaudio on the first line, and polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[08:25] <BockBilbo> but
[08:25] <JDigital> oh, it works if I run it in a terminal.
[08:25] <tritium> JDigital, did you hand-edit?
[08:25] <BockBilbo> you dont even need to do pkill polypaudio
[08:25] <thoreauputic> JDigital: you should get asked questions
[08:26] <tritium> BockBilbo, you don't think so:
[08:26] <tritium> ?
[08:26] <BockBilbo> nope...
[08:26] <Tsjoklat> tritium, yes they do.. it is after al the best :)
[08:26] <BockBilbo> i just log in to the sesssion
[08:26] <BockBilbo> and do
[08:26] <thoreauputic> JDigital: if you edited the file, you will ahve to do it manually
[08:26] <BockBilbo> polypaudio -k
[08:26] <BockBilbo> and
[08:26] <tritium> Tsjoklat, cool.  What kind of place?
[08:26] <BockBilbo> polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[08:26] <thoreauputic> JDigital: which is why it isn't recommanded
[08:26] <JDigital> o
[08:26] <JDigital> what's the recommended method then
[08:26] <thoreauputic> *recommended
[08:26] <BockBilbo> let me see it if works just with oe of those
[08:27] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:27] <tritium> BockBilbo, the polypaudio -k didn't work, but that tries to kill it, just like pkill
[08:27] <Tsjoklat> tritium, prive server and a mailing list I have
[08:27] <thoreauputic> JDigital: the command I gave you
[08:27] <BockBilbo> ohh
[08:27] <JDigital> I'm using that
[08:27] <BockBilbo> i see
[08:27] <BockBilbo> o same same
[08:27] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:27] <thoreauputic> JDigital: if you have hoary, substitute xserver-xorg in the command
[08:27] <tritium> JDigital, it you hand-edited it, you'll have to re-set the md5sum
[08:27] <JDigital> I have warty
[08:28] <JDigital> I didn't hand edit, I'm using this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" at the command line
[08:28] <thoreauputic> JDigital: nothing happens at all?
[08:28] <Slask3n> hi =)
[08:28] <JDigital> Not unless I tick the box "run in terminal", in which case it brings up a config program
[08:28] <JDigital> which I am using now
[08:28] <tritium> JDigital, does the md5sum of your file match that listed in /var/lib/xfree86/ ?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> JDigital: hah - where did you type it??
[08:29] <JDigital> No clue.
[08:29] <BockBilbo> tritium,  what does "polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa" do? does it open polyaudio with the default.pa config file?
[08:29] <JDigital> In the "Run Application" menu
[08:29] <JDigital> option
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> tritium, it's a channel were ppl use linux for certain purposes rather to be unknown :)
[08:29] <JDigital> alt-f2
[08:29] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes.  type polypaudio -h to see what the switches do
[08:29] <JDigital> which I rebound to my start key
[08:29] <tritium> Tsjoklat, oh, is that so?
[08:29] <JDigital> tried to make it Start-R like Windows but it doesn't work.
[08:29] <bas> how do i get ubuntu to recognize my ieee1394 drive? i modprobe'd sbp2... what should i do next?
[08:29] <Slask3n> when i open an audio//ideo file by double-clicking it, it is starting an new VLC-window and plays the file in it for each time, instead of playing it in the already opened window :s how can i fix this?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> JDigital: ah - you need to ty[pe it in a terminal - as you discovered :)
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> tritium, yes exciting isn't it hahah
[08:29] <tritium> heh
[08:29] <BockBilbo> so i guess the problem is that polyaudio loads a wrong config at the session start
[08:30] <BockBilbo> right?
[08:30] <jovian> what can I use or learn how to use something to partition and reformat a second harddrive
[08:30] <tritium> BockBilbo, or some strange interaction with gnome-session
[08:30] <BockBilbo> yes
[08:30] <madduck> what does D-BUS stand for?
[08:30] <thoreauputic> JDigital: most things are better typed in a terminal - except commands for graphical apps perhaps
[08:30] <LJ> madduck, it's a messaging bus
[08:30] <madduck> right. i know.
[08:30] <JDigital> Odd. I set that up and there's still no option to use above 60Hz
[08:30] <tritium> JDigital, can you ls /var/lib/xfree86 ?
[08:30] <madduck> LJ: but what's the acronym?
[08:31] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:31] <LJ> madduck, I'm not sure Data Bus maybe ??
[08:31] <Slask3n> when i open an audio//video file by double-clicking it, it is starting an new VLC-window and plays the file in it for each time, instead of playing it in the already opened window :s how can i fix this?
[08:31] <madduck> or distributed, or dumb, or ...
[08:32] <zenrox> ok i just reupgraded to hoary and gdm fails to load
[08:32] <zenrox> with the nvidia driver enabled
[08:32] <tritium> zenrox, did Xorg get configured to use nvidia?
[08:33] <zenrox> yes
[08:33] <LJ> madduck, it doesn't even say on the d-bus webpage
[08:33] <tritium> zenrox,  did you comment out "GLcore" and "dri"?
[08:33] <IneedSOMEhelp_> when i open an audio/video file by double-clicking it, it is starting an new VLC-window and plays the file in it for each time, instead of playing it in the already opened window :s anyone know how can i fix this?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: sounds like you are expecting a file manager to act as a media player...
[08:34] <zenrox> tritium: yep i dint modprobe the newer driver for nvidia
[08:34] <JDigital> XF86Config-4.md5sum  X.md5sum  Xwrapper.config.md5sum
[08:34] <JDigital> XF86Config-4.roster  X.roster  Xwrapper.config.roster
[08:34] <zenrox> 6111 for warty 6629 for hoary
[08:34] <tritium> JDigital, the XF86Config-4.md5sum has to match the md5sum of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or dpkg-reconfigure won't work
[08:35] <JDigital> What's the command to md5sum
[08:35] <tritium> md5sum
[08:35] <GammaRay> After a few days of being on, gnome will freeze if I try to shutdown using the logout dialog. Has anyone noticed this also?
[08:35] <JDigital> doh :)
[08:35] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: n, ive installed vlc and it works perfect, but are there any parameters or something that opens the audio/video-file in the already opened vlc instead of opening a new one?
[08:35] <tritium> followed by the filename
[08:35] <IneedSOMEhelp_> no*
[08:35] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: ah - or a browser
[08:35] <BockBilbo> tritium, after loggin in, if you do: "polypaudio it says that "main.c: read() failed: No such file or directory"
[08:35] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes, I get that on occasion with my script
[08:36] <BockBilbo> you do?
[08:36] <BockBilbo> :s
[08:36] <tritium> yes
[08:36] <BockBilbo> so, the script doesnt work
[08:36] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: I see - I don't know - possibly the man page or --help will give you an option
[08:36] <BockBilbo> right?
[08:36] <tritium> BockBilbo, I just re-run it
[08:36] <BockBilbo> yes..
[08:36] <AndyR> anyone know why my nvidia server works with 2.6.10-3-386 but not with 2.6.10-3-686??
[08:36] <zenrox> hehehe
[08:36] <vi111e> how can I see hidden files and folder in that BROWSE thing
[08:36] <JDigital> tritium: It matches.
[08:37] <BockBilbo> tritium, perhaps thats what i was about to tell you
[08:37] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: there may be a command line switch for what you want
[08:37] <BockBilbo> rerunning it works fine
[08:37] <tritium> JDigital, good deal
[08:37] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:37] <JDigital> So how do I get it to give me the option to run in 85Hz 1024*768 instead of this annoying 60Hz?
[08:37] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: as it is now it opens a new window and then both the old and the new windows are playing at the same time, and that is annoying! ive already searched the internet for a solution but i cant find any
[08:37] <BockBilbo> gotta go to eat dinner
[08:37] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: try typing vlc -help in a terminal
[08:37] <tritium> zenrox, did you figure it out?  you're laughing...
[08:37] <IneedSOMEhelp_> ok
[08:37] <tritium> BockBilbo, see you
[08:38] <zenrox> yep
[08:38] <Tsjoklat> toodles BockBilbo
[08:38] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: or  `man vlc` for more info
[08:38] <tritium> AndyR, do you have linux-restricted-modules for 686?
[08:38] <zenrox> just re probe the nvidia driver
[08:38] <tritium> good
[08:38] <tritium> AndyR, it has to match your kernel version exactly
[08:39] <AndyR> tritium, will check now
[08:39] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: no, i cant find anything there either
[08:40] <angelo> help
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> angelo, er?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: not even the man page? You may be out of luck then...
[08:40] <angelo> my gnome desktop is broken
[08:40] <tritium> AndyR, okay, then I'm going to get going here.
[08:40] <robertj> is enough of the hardware stuff merged that live cds are good tests for power management?
[08:41] <angelo> the taskbars are not displaying
[08:41] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: you meen its impossible?? itcant be! or can it??
[08:41] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: nothing is impossible.. ;) I don't know enough about vlc to help though, I'm afraid
[08:42] <angelo> ok bye fellas im going to try one of the gurus
[08:43] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: if you can write simple scripts, you could script a command to kill the running instance and start a new one, for example
[08:43] <AndyR> tritium, no i didnt have them on
[08:43] <JDigital> I'm still having no luck getting the screen to go above 60Hz. Is there an updated driver for it someplace?
[08:43] <JDigital> where "it" is an nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200
[08:43] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: that would have the same effect I guess
[08:43] <tritium> AndyR, sudo apt-get install it, then
[08:44] <jovian> what program should I use to repartition a drive perfereably with a gui but not necessary
[08:44] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: or even an alias  like killall vlc && vlc %s or something similar
[08:44] <FLeiXiuS> jovian: I love sudo cfdisk /dev/hdx
[08:44] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: ok, thanks anyway :) but maybe you can help me with another problem then? where can i change the preffered applications for more stuff then just web browser, email client, text editor and terminal? i want to make .torrent files open in azureus and .php in quanta etc.. do you know where i can do this?
[08:44] <AndyR> tritium, im just installing them via xdmcp on the box
[08:44] <tritium> JDigital, what does "sudo ddcprobe" return?
[08:45] <tritium> AndyR, okay.
[08:45] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: im not that into linux-scripting
[08:45] <jovian> ok FLeiXiuS
[08:45] <jovian> thx
[08:45] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: my solution involves installing the rox filer, which allows me to change those associations "ad lib"
[08:45] <JDigital> tritium: Whole bunch of modes.
[08:46] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: will i find this "rox filer" in apt-get?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: I personally find the gnome way of doing thngs frustrating at times...
[08:46] <tritium> JDigital, what about rates?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: no, unfortunately - I compiled mine
[08:46] <albi1>  IneedSOMEhelp_, look under gnome-menu: computer->desktop settings, ther should be something like prefered applications or so (sorry my gnome is german :-P ...
[08:46] <JDigital> It doesn't appear to list refresh rates at all
[08:46] <tritium> JDigital, did you check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for errors?
[08:47] <ebone> do you guys ever find the Dependencies reported by apt-get to be perplexing ?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: there is a debian deb for it though (in sid)
[08:47] <IneedSOMEhelp_> albi1: thats what i NOT ment :P hehe but thanks anyway
[08:48] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: i found rox-filer and i have installed it now.. i will check now :)
[08:48] <tritium> JDigital, it may be that you need to manaully specify HorizSync and VertRefresh for your monitor.
[08:48] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: you can do it in the gconf editor - but it isn't user friendly
[08:49] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: read the docs - it's a bit confusing at first
[08:49] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: but it's an excellent file manager
[08:50] <BockBilbo> im back
[08:50] <BockBilbo> tritium, any advance?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: right click and choose "set run action"
[08:50] <albi1>  IneedSOMEhelp_, the other way could be in nautilus: right click and select "open with" and then other applications (or so...)
[08:50] <unbuntu|n00b> i just finished installing unbuntu (i guess the first step) but when it boots it hangs on the "Setting the System clock using the hardware clock as reference..." Any ideas ?
[08:50] <Climber> JDigital: You should verify that the settings for your Monitor in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 are correct.
[08:51] <tritium> BockBilbo, no
[08:51] <Climber> JDigital: As a last try, you could use modelines - there is some web page from nvidia that generates modelines
[08:51] <JDigital>         HorizSync       30-60
[08:51] <JDigital>         VertRefresh     50-75
[08:51] <BockBilbo> the script dint work?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> albi1. IneedSOMEhelp_, indeed I forgot you can set apps in the properties dialog in nautilus
[08:52] <tritium> JDigital, do those match your monitor specs?
[08:52] <JDigital> Might do. I've had it running 1024*768@85Hz no problem in Windows.
[08:52] <rel> oke, whats the difference between "linux-image-2.6.10-3-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on AMD K8." and "linux-image-2.6.10-3-amd64-generic - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on x86_64."? The description of the first one, doesnt mention 64bit, while the same package of version 2.6.9 does. Is this a typo? And are these sources patched by ubuntu patches, as these patches have their own package.
[08:52] <JDigital> which is why I'm wondering if I need to update some drivers
[08:53] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:53] <tritium> JDigital, what is your monitor capable of?
[08:53] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic, albil: thanks :) i got it now, and it works :) but where and how can i make irc:// links open xchat and make it connect to the server and join the channel like mirc does on windoZe?
[08:54] <JDigital> 1024*768@85Hz, resolutions up to maybe 1280*something at 60Hz
[08:54] <JDigital> or so I think, anyway.
[08:54] <tritium> JDigital, I mean the rates
[08:54] <JDigital> I know it can do better than 60Hz at 1024
[08:54] <tritium> JDigital, i.e., are those rates you pasted above right?
[08:55] <tritium> AndyR, get it working yet?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: for Xchat I don't know - but if you install the chatzilla extension for firefox you can use irc://  bookmarks for the same purpose
[08:55] <JDigital> I'm not entirely sure. They don't seem particularly inaccurate
[08:55] <tritium> JDigital, you should find out the specs of your monitor.
[08:56] <JDigital> I can't just set it to 75Hz and hope for the best?
[08:56] <Cookies> hi what version of kernel is on in latest ubuntu realise?
[08:57] <tritium> JDigital, that's not advisable
[08:57] <tritium> Cookies, 2.6.10
[08:57] <rel> comcor, 2.6.10 here
[08:57] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: also in firefox clicking a link for an unknown protocol usually brings up a dialogue asking what app you want to use
[08:57] <Cookies> thanks
[08:57] <AndyR> tritium, yes working fine, thank you greatly
[08:58] <tritium> AndyR, no problem.
[08:58] <comfrey_> any quick tips on running vnc without a local head.  spawning its own X session?
[08:58] <INRSboy> question: how can i add stuff to the menu ?
[08:58] <tritium> Okay, I'm takig off.  See you all later.
[08:58] <JDigital> Drag it on?
[08:58] <JDigital> The thing is that I've run it in Windows at 1024*768 at 60Hz, 72Hz, 75Hz and 85Hz without problems.
[08:58] <rel> tritium,  bye
[08:58] <tritium> rel, so you later, buddy
[08:59] <INRSboy> ok ?!
[08:59] <comfrey_> it is possible i believe, but i think it is an x.org thing
[08:59] <comfrey_> may not be in warty
[08:59] <INRSboy> question: how can i add stuff to the application menu ?
[09:00] <ficusplanet> INRSboy: Warty or Hoary?
[09:00] <Jeremy_D> hello everyone and good morning from australia!
[09:00] <INRSboy> Warty
[09:00] <comfrey> INRSboy: right click and add to menu
[09:00] <thoreauputic> INRSboy: right click at the end of a submenu, choose whole menu. add a launher for your app
[09:00] <ficusplanet> INRSboy: Right click in the menu and choice to add a new item.
[09:00] <rel> INRSboy, gnome? guess this not possible/easy thing
[09:00] <thoreauputic> *launcher
[09:00] <INRSboy> ok thanks
[09:00] <thoreauputic> rel, yes, it's quite easy
[09:01] <Jeremy_D> i have added new packages/applications to my ubuntu system, but i cant find them anywhere, any ideas anyone?
[09:01] <Climber> Jeremy_D: Start synaptic and do a search in that program
[09:02] <Jeremy_D> Climber, and then what?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: and/or just type the name of the app in a terminal to launch it
[09:02] <warty> hola
[09:02] <Jeremy_D> Climber, all that will tell me is if its been installed?
[09:02] <Jeremy_D> hmm
[09:02] <rel> thoreauputic, strange, out of the "whole menu" I can only select to add the submenu or the selected to my panel
[09:02] <ebone> couple of questions ...
[09:02] <warty> estoy intenrando instalar ubunru
[09:02] <warty> y se me keda colgado
[09:02] <Jeremy_D> okay.. ill try that
[09:03] <thoreauputic> rel, try (in nautilus) : ctrl -L ; applications:///
[09:03] <ebone> Is there anyway to have apt tell you WHERE a package is coming from before installing ?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> ebone: apt-cache policy <package>
[09:04] <thoreauputic> ebone: should tell you if its in "universe" or whatever
[09:04] <Climber> Jeremy_D: It's right-click and properties, then "installed files"
[09:05] <ebone> ohh ... cool
[09:05] <Jeremy_D> Climber, where in synaptic?
[09:05] <rel> thoreauputic, it cant find that path. but oke.. no need to change menustructure for now :)
[09:05] <ebone> thoreauputic: what would be cool is this ....
[09:06] <thoreauputic> rel: this is hoary, am I right?
[09:06] <ebone> have apt-get print out all that info before you install ...
[09:06] <rel> thoreauputic, yes
[09:06] <ebone> it would be nice to know what all is getting done ...
[09:06] <thoreauputic> rel, I think it's changed in the latest gnome.
[09:07] <ebone> I wonder if one could "script" an apt-get wrapper that does this ?
[09:07] <Jeremy_D> how do i know which version of gnome i have?
[09:07] <rel> thoreauputic, what doesn't change in gnome :D
[09:07] <ebone> Jeremy: dpkg -l "gnome*"
[09:07] <thoreauputic> ebone: before apt-getting, do  apt-cache search <keyword> then apt-cache show or apt-cache policy (or just look in synaptic)
[09:08] <ebone> that's what i do now.
[09:08] <ebone> but it's a bit of a pain ...
[09:08] <thoreauputic> rel: blame havoc - everyone else does ;)
[09:08] <ebone> cause apt-get is always pulling in other stuff too ...
[09:08] <ebone> i would think a nifty "wrapper" script may be able to print all this out ...
[09:08] <thoreauputic> ebone : apt-cache depends is another
[09:09] <rel> rel,  yes.. that dude is wicked. I already blame him for that "reduced recource" option for metacity.. actually or that ugly minimize effect
[09:09] <ebone> Just a one shot deal ... you know ....
[09:10] <thoreauputic> ebone: there's an excellent apt-howto on debian.org - in fact I think you can apt-get the howto as well
[09:10] <Climber> Does anybody know how to activate fonts that are installed, but not selectable by default, like Helvetica?
[09:10] <Jeremy_D> is there a special folder where new packages are installed?
[09:11] <Jeremy_D> so i can take a look at all of the new ones i have installed :oP
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: no, not as such
[09:11] <Jeremy_D> well isnt that bad :P
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: mostof the binaries land in /usr/bin though
[09:11] <Jeremy_D> well i have loved ubuntu up until now... arg
[09:11] <Jeremy_D> okay ill take a look there, thanks :)
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: no it isn't bad - its *nix ;)
[09:11] <Gul3> hello, where can i get hoary install fresh isos?
[09:12] <Gul3> ehrm, where can i download hoary isos
[09:12] <Gul3> ?
[09:12] <Gul3> :)
[09:12] <rel> Gul3, see topic
[09:12] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: the config files are mostly in /etc
[09:12] <Gul3> thanks! lol
[09:14] <cg0def> does anyone know how well ubuntu works on amd64?
[09:14] <cg0def> should I just use 32bit packages or give 64  a try?
[09:15] <edulix> hey has someone seen ktoon ? it's like macromedia flash palyer but gpl ! but a .deb for is still lacking :)
[09:15] <rel> cg0def, with hoary it all works perfectly here
[09:16] <cg0def> nice
[09:16] <cg0def> when is the stable version of hoary supposed to come out
[09:16] <vjaz_> april
[09:17] <vjaz_> the releases are made every six months
[09:17] <cg0def> yeah I know
[09:17] <cg0def> but wasn't sure when the previous one came out :)
[09:18] <Gul3> 4.10 = four for 2004, ten for october?
[09:18] <cg0def> there's something else I have been using debian so far and I am probably going to move to ubuntu because it's better suted for desktops (debian unstable has problems with lash media and stuff)
[09:18] <cg0def> is there anythign that I should know before I switch
[09:19] <cg0def> like any significan differences
[09:19] <cg0def> Gul3: thanks for the info did not know that
[09:19] <vjaz_> Gul3, I didn't know that either and was wondering about it. Thanks.
[09:19] <vjaz_> That also explains why Hoary is 5.04
[09:20] <BockBilbo> im back
[09:20] <cg0def> so Hoary would be 5.04?
[09:20] <vjaz_> Isn't that 7 months though?
[09:20] <Gul3> yes
[09:20] <BockBilbo> where is tritium?
[09:20] <Gul3> 11 12 1 2 3 4
[09:20] <Gul3> no
[09:21] <vjaz_> Hm... Yeah, you're right. My bad.
[09:21] <Gul3> my little secret. i did not know either, it's just a guess but it seems right
[09:21] <ewf345> can someone help me with an installation problem?
[09:21] <rel> hmm, there arnt any linux-sources for amd64
[09:21] <vjaz_> It has to be right. I don't know how they could had announced Hoary's version number otherwise.
[09:21] <thoreauputic> ewf345: hard to say until you ask the question ;)
[09:21] <ewf345> Hoary Array-5
[09:21] <ewf345> My installation is stuck on "Creating device node /dev/raw1394"
[09:21] <ewf345> This also happened in previous releases.
[09:21] <ewf345> Any help would be really appreciated.
[09:21] <ewf345> Thanks
[09:21] <vjaz_> And also I don't see how they could had missed versions 1-3.
[09:22] <BockBilbo> crimsun, do you know where tritium go?
[09:22] <vjaz_> I guess it's kind of like Gentoo's versioning, but even better.
[09:22] <rel> BockBilbo, he left :)
[09:22] <BockBilbo> :s
[09:22] <BockBilbo> rel, did he fix the problem?
[09:22] <Gul3> vjaz_: yeah.
[09:22] <bas> ewf345, strange.. try disabling Firewire/IEEE1394 support in a 'expert install'
[09:23] <rel> BockBilbo, whitch problem?
[09:23] <BockBilbo> the problem with polypaudio
[09:23] <BockBilbo> i think you also had it
[09:23] <ewf345> ok thanks ill try that
[09:23] <BockBilbo> that it doens work fine when loging in a new session
[09:24] <rel> oh, I didnt follow that discussion. my audio works fine here.. just for the many messagelog entries it generates
[09:24] <vjaz_> http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/linuxbeat3.htm
[09:24] <feliXDZ> hello
[09:24] <BockBilbo> rel, do you use polypaudio or esound?
[09:24] <vjaz_> hm, oops
[09:24] <rel> BockBilbo, on hoary. using polyaudio
[09:24] <vjaz_> wrong channel, but you can read that too, it's funny
[09:25] <rel> BockBilbo, but i remember chocolate mentioning about a workaround
[09:25] <Jeremy_D> wow armagetron is pretty good :) better than i expected
[09:25] <Jeremy_D> :)
[09:25] <BockBilbo> rel,  and does it work fine after restarting a session???
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > > 1) Set all apps to use EsounD output;
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > > 2) polypaudio -k
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > > 3) polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > > 4) Desktop>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Sink>ESD>Test
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > >    should now work
[09:25] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, that doesnt work
[09:25] <JDigital> Can someone tell me how to 1) quit X, or 2) get Windows back because now it boots straight to Linux :)
[09:25] <feliXDZ> I have an official ubuntu live cd but it won't boot on a Dell Inspiron 5000
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 1) System>Preferences>Sound: uncheck (disable) the option "Enable sound
[09:25] <Tsjoklat>    server startup"
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 2) click Close
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 3) System>Log Out: check (enable) the option "Save current setup"
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 4) click Ok
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 5) log back in
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 6) repeat step [1] , only this time check (enable) the option "Enable
[09:25] <Tsjoklat>    sound server startup"
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 7) click Close
[09:26] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, thanks... but is not it
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> still searching for more BockBilbo
[09:26] <BockBilbo> who, me?
[09:26] <vi11e> hey how do I run a.out c++ compiled file in terminal?
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> BockBilbo, no me :)
[09:26] <rel> BockBilbo, is your nick the same as chocolate? It is in my native language :P
[09:27] <rel> i mean Tsjoklat
[09:27] <BockBilbo> rel, whats your native language? russian?
[09:27] <rel> hehe, no.
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> rel yes
[09:27] <rel> I mean Tsjoklat
[09:27] <rel> my native lang is morrocan
[09:27] <Vjaz> Dutch?
[09:27] <BockBilbo> oh
[09:27] <feliXDZ> Is there a set of cheatcodes for ubuntu like knoppix?
[09:27] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> it is Dutch yes
[09:28] <CarlK> will options in /etc/modules.conf be used?
[09:28] <vi11e> hey how do I run a.out c++ compiled file in terminal?
[09:28] <rel> Vjaz, in dutch it is chokolade
[09:28] <BockBilbo> i didnt know you guys also write using occidental letters
[09:28] <evarlast> vi11e: . is not in your path, run as ./a.out
[09:28] <vi11e> ahh
[09:28] <vi11e> thank you
[09:28] <BockBilbo> i was in morroco once,
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> Tjoklat was a brand of a Dutch chocolate maker
[09:29] <BockBilbo> in tangier
[09:29] <CarlK> vi11e - you may need to make it execuatable
[09:29] <BockBilbo> im expecting to go back, i liked it
[09:29] <vi11e> hmm, I used to manage to run it just with that ./
[09:29] <vi11e> but now it just doesn't do it
[09:29] <rel> Tsjoklat, that must be ages ago.. I only know verkade
[09:29] <ewf345> i dont see anything I can disable in the expert install there is only kernel modules none of which say 1394 and hardware detection only mentions a floppy drive
[09:29] <Tsjoklat> rel Droste.. was from Indonesia
[09:29] <rel> BockBilbo, nice.. you should then visit the south
[09:29] <ewf345> the live cd works fine though...
[09:29] <Echylo> how to restart X-server after installing nvidia drivers?
[09:30] <BockBilbo> i will when i have the money
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> rel before WWII
[09:30] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:30] <JDigital> No, how to quit it so that I can install the drivers
[09:30] <OrangeSlice> ctrl-alt-backspace?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:30] <rel> Tsjoklat, jeeez.. man you that old?
[09:30] <vi11e> hmm now it works...
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> rel woman please
[09:30] <rel> hehe
[09:30] <rel> yes dear
[09:30] <BockBilbo> i visited tangier cause i usually spend some time in cadiz, spain... and tangier is just about 1h 30 min from gibraltar by ship
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> rel no.. my grandmother use to have tin cans of that brand in her house..
[09:31] <rel> Tsjoklat, I see. nostalgic memories :) always nice to have
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> rel yes.. in honor of her I use this nick :) (plus I am addicted to chocolate)
[09:32] <JDigital> okay, ctrl-alt-backspace just brings me to the login screen
[09:32] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, we all are chocolate addicts
[09:32] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:32] <rel> BockBilbo, I have never been in Tangiers, most of the other towns I did. I dont feel home in those crowded morrocan city's
[09:32] <JDigital> cities
[09:32] <thoreauputic> JDigital: yes - you need to do /etc/init.d/gdm stop as root (sudo in other words)
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> BockBilbo, that's all you need in life most of the time :)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> JDigital: that should produce a satisfying blackness for you ;)
[09:33] <rel> JDigital, sorry :) my dutch is bad i know
[09:33] <JDigital> Hehe
[09:33] <JDigital> With like a command line, though, right?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> JDigital: yes. you type your login and password
[09:34] <JDigital> ok
[09:34] <thoreauputic> to get back to gdm, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:35] <BockBilbo> brb
[09:36] <rel> hmm, well
[09:36] <rel> does someone know if linux-sources for am64 exist?
[09:37] <netmonk> how can I make a daemon start every time I start Ubuntu?
[09:37] <thoreauputic> rel, why would the sources be different? Wouldn't you just compile them?
[09:37] <thoreauputic> netmonk: use update-rc.d
[09:38] <rel> thoreauputic, was thinking they would contain amd64 specific patches
[09:38] <BockBilbo> im back
[09:38] <netmonk> thoreauputic, how?
[09:38] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, im gonna give up with polypaudio
[09:38] <BockBilbo> im back to esound...
[09:39] <Tsjoklat> BockBilbo, can you do that?
[09:39] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, what? go back to esound?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> netmonk: erm... read the man page: it isn't difficult
[09:39] <Tsjoklat> BockBilbo, yes
[09:39] <BockBilbo> yes
[09:39] <BockBilbo> perhaps, im using esound now
[09:39] <rel> BockBilbo, so, the issue is that when you logout your gnome session your audio breaks?
[09:39] <BockBilbo> rel, well smthing like that
[09:39] <rel> hmm
[09:39] <BockBilbo> the audio works fine for system events
[09:40] <BockBilbo> but not for rythmbox, beep media player, xine, etc
[09:40] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:40] <thoreauputic> netmonk: an easier way is to add a command at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, but it isn't recommended
[09:40] <rel> BockBilbo, going to test that.
[09:40] <BockBilbo> i have to kill and start again polupaudio
[09:40] <BockBilbo> in order to make it work..
[09:40] <Echylo> damn
[09:40] <Echylo> my screen looks fucked up
[09:40] <albi1> netmonk, copy the start script which should come with the program/daemon into /etc/init.d and then run update-rc <scriptname> defaults
[09:40] <Echylo> trying to run Enemy Territory
[09:41] <BockBilbo> which is a bit anoying if you dont stay in a session
[09:41] <albi1> update-rc --help gives help, btw
[09:41] <albi1> and don't forget to sudo!
[09:42] <netmonk> thank you thoreauputic and albi1 ;)
[09:42] <rel> BockBilbo, no problems at all. logged off gnome and back in. rhythembox still works
[09:42] <thoreauputic> netmonk: heh - sorry that wasn't meant to be a "RTFM" response - but it's pretty straightforward ;)
[09:43] <BockBilbo> rel, ussing polypaudio??
[09:43] <rel> BockBilbo, how to check. using hoary so i must be
[09:43] <Echylo> what do about this error, Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:43] <FR500> hello again
[09:43] <Echylo> I think opengl is installed
[09:43] <scizzo> Echylo: hoary?
[09:43] <Echylo> nope
[09:43] <thoreauputic> Echylo: if everything works, ignore it ;)
[09:44] <Echylo> that's the prob
[09:44] <rel> BockBilbo,  2065 ?        Ss     0:11 /usr/bin/polypaudio
[09:44] <FR500> got standby and hibernation to work, now how do i make my Fn keys to work
[09:44] <FR500> any clues?
[09:44] <BockBilbo> oh...
[09:44] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:44] <rel> Im just lucky
[09:44] <Echylo> the game(enemy territory) doesn't launch
[09:44] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:44] <BockBilbo> anyways
[09:44] <tracks> hi guys , any wireles router experts on?
[09:44] <BockBilbo> i think i will switch to polypaudio later on time
[09:45] <Echylo> I'm wireless, I have a router but I'm totally not an expert :p
[09:45] <tracks> :)
[09:45] <El_Che> FR500: have a look in /var/log/acpid
[09:45] <rel> tracks, just ask your question
[09:45] <Echylo> yea
[09:45] <Echylo> some1 will answer
[09:45] <tracks> k
[09:45] <El_Che> FR500: do the fn combination and have a look there if its registered
[09:46] <tracks> got the router all working but now & again i have to reset power in order for it to connect
[09:46] <rel> Tsjoklat, do you have any clues on why polyaudio does work normaly on my system?
[09:46] <Seazzy> Does anyone know about processor requirements for ubuntu?
[09:46] <El_Che> tracks: open system, wep, wpa?
[09:46] <tracks> yep
[09:46] <Echylo> Seazzy, it works fine on a P2 433mhz here
[09:46] <vi11e> what was the command that I could use to see if I am using ati or fglrx drivers?
[09:47] <Echylo> that's only thing I can say about it
[09:47] <Echylo> so you could try lower
[09:47] <rel> Echylo, you should upgrade dude
[09:47] <netmonk> thoreauputic, i it tells me that I don't have the file doesn't exist in /etc/init.d. how do I add the file there?
[09:47] <Seazzy> I am running it on a celeron, and it keeps crashing
[09:47] <Echylo> you gonna send me money?
[09:47] <Echylo> I'm 17, still school so
[09:47] <Echylo> and no work
[09:47] <Echylo> only in vacations
[09:47] <feliXDZ___> Hi I am trying to get the ubuntu live cd to connect to the internet with casema.nl adsl.
[09:47] <rel> Echylo, whats your bankaccount
[09:48] <Echylo> haha
[09:48] <feliXDZ___> Anybody know how?
[09:48] <rel> :P
[09:48] <Echylo> for 1s I thought you were serious :p
[09:48] <tracks> very helpful.............not lol
[09:48] <rel> hehe
[09:48] <Echylo> tracks
[09:48] <Echylo> you just said yes
[09:49] <Echylo> he asked , opensystem, wpa or wep
[09:49] <Echylo> what do you use
[09:49] <rel> where you had to choose
[09:49] <thoreauputic> netmonk: what are you trying to start?
[09:49] <tracks> trust turbo wireless
[09:49] <Echylo> trust
[09:49] <Echylo> don't
[09:49] <Echylo> but that's personal
[09:49] <netmonk> fnfxd
[09:49] <Echylo> you can connect though?
[09:49] <tracks> sure
[09:49] <Echylo> brb
[09:50] <netmonk> it unables me to use the fn key on my toshiba
[09:50] <netmonk> if i type fnfxd it works
[09:50] <thoreauputic> netmonk: I know nothing about it, sorry - but surely the docs or README tell you how to get it going?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> netmonk: I suggest you try `sudo gedit /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh` , add fnfxd at the end of that file, save and reboot to checjk that it works
[09:52] <thoreauputic> netmonk: not the recommended way, but it should work fine
[09:53] <thoreauputic> put the command on a separate line at the bottom of that file
[09:53] <isengard> buenas tardes
[09:53] <isengard> desde argentina
[09:53] <nomasteryoda> hola
[09:53] <isengard> gentes una consulta sobre vmware
[09:53] <nomasteryoda> mi espanol es rusty
[09:53] <guptan> how can I enable pango support in firefox?
[09:54] <nomasteryoda> vmware i know
[09:54] <thoreauputic> netmonk: did you get that? Was it clear to you ?
[09:54] <netmonk> thoreauputic, how about if i make a link in /etc/init.d to /usr/local/sbin/fnfxd
[09:54] <nomasteryoda> bbl
[09:54] <TraceyTux> Can you help me use my USB pen drive?  I've already created a file called sda1 in my mnt/ directory, but I still can't use the USB drive!!
[09:54] <CarlK> where is a good place to put a bunch of rmmod commands that will be run at the end of bootting?
[09:54] <isengard> no encunstra el /usr/src/linux/include
[09:54] <guptan> TraceyTux, how u mounted it?
[09:54] <netmonk> and than update-rc.d
[09:55] <thoreauputic> netmonk: I think my suggestion is simpler and will work for you
[09:55] <isengard> y ya baje el source del kernel con apt-get y tb hise el link ln -s linux-source-2.6.8.1 linux pero nada
[09:55] <CarlK> trans_err - type lsusb - see if it says anything interesting
[09:55] <thoreauputic> netmonk: that would probably work as well
[09:55] <guptan> I wud like to have pango support for firefox, how can I enable pango?
[09:55] <netmonk> ok, thoreauputic, thank you very much
[09:55] <TraceyTux> guptan: I did sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1
[09:56] <CarlK> TraceyTux - that was a mistake (mkdir...sda1)
[09:56] <guptan> TraceyTux, that won't help, mount your usb disc with proper mount options
[09:56] <thoreauputic> netmonk: I've used the bootmisc.sh hack to start dma for instance, and it worked fine
[09:56] <CarlK> TraceyTux - oh wait... mnt.. I was thinking /dev/sda1... nm
[09:57] <TraceyTux> Ok, how do I mount it?
[09:57] <CarlK> TraceyTux prettu sure hotplug should have mounted it for you
[09:57] <TraceyTux> Well, it didn't!
[09:57] <CarlK> TraceyTux - lsusb -  is the device listed?
[09:59] <isengard> alguien tuvo el mismo problema que yo?
[09:59] <TraceyTux> It says Belkin - that's my USB hub, I use that for my USB pen drive because I don't have any USB ports at the front of my PC case
[09:59] <CarlK> TraceyTux - I think that means you have a problem that you need to solve before you worry about mounting it
[09:59] <El_Che> TraceyTux: try to see if hotplug see it when you put it in the back?
[10:05] <netmonk> thoreauputic, my last line in bootmisc.sh sais : exit 0
[10:05] <netmonk> thoreauputic, do i put fnfxd under that line?
[10:05] <CarlK> netmonk - i would gess before
[10:06] <CarlK> exit 0 will exit the script and not run anything after it
[10:06] <thoreauputic> netmonk: heh - yes, put it *above* that line :)
[10:07] <netmonk> just did it, will see what happens now ;)
[10:07] <thoreauputic> should work (famous last words ...)
[10:09] <BockBilbo> im leavig
[10:09] <BockBilbo> bye!
[10:09] <Jeremy_D> WOW i cant believe it, i was sucked into a game on linux
[10:09] <Jeremy_D> wow
[10:10] <Jeremy_D> armagetron
[10:10] <Jeremy_D> simalur to tron for windows
[10:10] <TraceyTux> No, I don't I think I can see it in lusb - I've removed my USB hub - now it just says "bash: lusb: command not found"
[10:11] <CarlK> lsusb
[10:11] <CarlK> ls is like ls, and usb is for usb ;)
[10:11] <CarlK> Jeremy_D - tron like the old movie?
[10:13] <TraceyTux> Yes - I'd typed it in wrongly! Anyway, lsusb says "M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers" - my drive is a Disgo 1Gb drive
[10:14] <CarlK> TraceyTux - good.
[10:14] <CarlK> TraceyTux see what mount says
[10:14] <CarlK> or df
[10:14] <TraceyTux> What do I need to type in with mount
[10:15] <CarlK> the word mount ;)
[10:15] <BrianAnthony> why am I getting no sound from audio files, bu tI can get sound from movie sjust fine?
[10:15] <TraceyTux> mount doesn't mention sda1 at all
[10:16] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: what kind of audio files? If mp3, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:16] <CarlK> TraceyTux - next step: dmesg
[10:16] <dubwav> I'm unable to remove a package, because I accidentally removed one file belonging to it...how can I force apt-get to remove it?
[10:16] <CarlK> TraceyTux - don;t worry about all the stuff you missed, only care about the last few lines
[10:16] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: any audio. like cd's or mp3's
[10:16] <rel> man...! trying to compile a kernel with kpkg, I use the --initrd switch. Now it complains that it cannot find cramfs and if iam sure to continue with it. Have checked the menuconfig but no option for cramfs. Is it wise to skip initrd and compile everything in?
[10:16] <thoreauputic> see above re  gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:18] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: that package enables eg. rhythmbox music player to decode mp3
[10:18] <TraceyTux> dmesg gives Buffer I/O errors for sda1
[10:19] <CarlK> i wonder what that is about
[10:19] <juanfra> hola
[10:19] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: XMMS still won't play it
[10:20] <BrianAnthony> well it'll play it
[10:20] <BrianAnthony> but there's no sound
[10:20] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: have you configured XMMS? choose the plugin in prefs and config it
[10:21] <TraceyTux> I'm wondering what the buffer I/O errors are about!
[10:21] <guptan> how can I enable pango support in Firefox? (for indic font support)
[10:21] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: also if your CDs won't play, you may need to enable digital play for the CD plugin ( many machines lack a wire from cd-rom to sound card)
[10:23] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: and the default cd player won't do digital - you need to use xmms or beep-media-player
[10:23] <thoreauputic> (if that's the problem)
[10:23] <shock> one thing i am missing under ubuntu on my powerbook - the ability to launch a quick game of wc3 or q3a or something
[10:24] <neighborlee> shock, q3a ?
[10:24] <neighborlee> shock, not working right ?
[10:24] <vi11e> tell me what multimedia players are available from apt-get other than xine,xmms and totem player?
[10:24] <Jeremy_D> i need to burn a data cd, whats a basic burner?
[10:24] <neighborlee> shock, you dont need wc3..lol..there are tons of good quality games for linux albeit I feel for you..it seems popular ;-)...just use what games we DO have and youll be fine
[10:25] <shock> for linux, yes
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: nautilus has one built in
[10:25] <neighborlee> shock, if you like wc3 you will likely enjoy for example ut2k4 or nwn or savage for example..
[10:25] <shock> for osx, yes
[10:25] <shock> but for linux powerpc
[10:25] <shock> *sigh*
[10:25] <Jeremy_D> thoreauputic, i havent been able to get it going for some odd reason
[10:25] <shock> and I wont enjoy those truly great games when not having DRI
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: Places -> CD Creator
[10:25] <neighborlee> shock, hmmm have little experience with powerpc ;(
[10:26] <Jeremy_D> places?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> drag files there, and burn
[10:26] <neighborlee> shock, ouch no you wont
[10:26] <shock> ;)
[10:26] <Jeremy_D> where is places? lol
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: in the file manager
[10:26] <Necrosan> linux ppc is trash
[10:26] <jesuel> burning array-5 hoary now :)
[10:26] <shock> maybe i'll install ubuntu on virtualpc
[10:26] <shock> :P
[10:26] <Necrosan> it needs to be destroyed by a meat grinder
[10:26] <shock> lol
[10:26] <Necrosan> im serious man
[10:26] <shock> no - it needs to be upgraded by a great community
[10:26] <thoreauputic> file - edit -view - places (a the top)
[10:26] <Jeremy_D> how do i get to the file manager?
[10:26] <Necrosan> its like horrible, nvidia cards cant even be DRI'd
[10:27] <Jeremy_D> oh
[10:27] <Necrosan> and it has no good games.. nope.. no good games
[10:27] <Necrosan> lol
[10:27] <Necrosan> what a clever nickname, windosuninstall
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: click the home icon under Computer (in Warty)
[10:27] <neighborlee> lol
[10:27] <Jeremy_D> yes got it open now... where i was earlier
[10:27] <Jeremy_D> but i cant get it going from there
[10:27] <shock> lol
[10:28] <Jeremy_D> i have files there, waiting to be burned.. but when: file, write to disc it gives me an error message
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: Fiel -Write to disc
[10:28] <thoreauputic> *file
[10:28] <shock> actually... gaming is not ALL that important... but at this time of a day
[10:28] <Jeremy_D> no selected files...
[10:28] <Jeremy_D> but i have files in it...
[10:28] <thoreauputic> so select them
[10:28] <thoreauputic> !
[10:29] <Jeremy_D> i have though
[10:29] <thoreauputic> hmm
[10:29] <Necrosan> shock: stick ubuntu up your ass and never think of it again
[10:29] <Necrosan> im warning you. you will be hurt
[10:29] <shock> lol
[10:29] <Jeremy_D> it says this "you need to copy the files you want to write to disc to the CD/DVD creator window. (Which i already did.) Would you like to open it now? and i click open CD... yadda yadda
[10:29] <shock> no actually I'm doing really great using ubuntu here
[10:29] <shock> :P
[10:30] <shock> finally a real working os on my powerbook
[10:30] <Jeremy_D> shock, yeah me too :)
[10:30] <shock> :P
[10:30] <Jeremy_D> powerbook, i would have stuck with osx
[10:30] <shock> one thing I am lacking under osx is far more severe then no games: no decent way to configure the keyboard
[10:30] <shock> *grml*
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: you have permission on those files? they are yours and not system files or something?
[10:31] <shock> if osx had the power of a simple xmodmap file
[10:31] <shock> ...
[10:31] <shock> now that would be something
[10:31] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: actually I find Linux more powerful and useful on my iBook than OS-X
[10:31] <AndyR> how do i format a usb drive?
[10:32] <Jeremy_D> err i was able to use os x on my ibook very easily, i just didnt like it because it ran a bit too slow
[10:32] <dtygel> hi all.
[10:32] <Jeremy_D> i still cant get this sucker to burn
[10:32] <Jeremy_D> i have replaced it with a file i know is mine...
[10:32] <thoreauputic> OS-X looks pretty, but the way the files are organised is ... odd
[10:32] <dtygel> I'm having troubles mounting a partition on startup through /etc/fstab. Can someone help me there?
[10:33] <Jeremy_D> dtygel, do you know the location of your partition?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> dtygel: put the line from fstab up and let us see it
 <-- actually i "fixed" my osx to look like my linux and the way the files are organized....
[10:33] <shock> blah
[10:33] <Jeremy_D> err
[10:34] <Jeremy_D> my current system looks like osx :)
[10:34] <shock> lol
[10:34] <thoreauputic> shock: yeah, I fiddled too - but it isn't worth it in my opinion - and the apps available from Fink etc are usually outdated
[10:34] <Jeremy_D> once i figured out how to install themes... it was on :D anyone want to see a screen shot?
[10:34] <Jeremy_D> i plan on getting the docker, i just cant remember the name of it
[10:34] <Jeremy_D> lol
[10:34] <shock> yeah... but at least fink has a decent xchat
[10:35] <dtygel> the line is the following: /dev/hda4
[10:35] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: re CD burner - you might try installing xcdroast - it doesn't look very pretty but it does the job
[10:35] <dtygel> the line is the following /dev/hda4   /frutos   /vfat   /iocharset=iso8859-1,auto,users,rw   0   2
[10:36] <thoreauputic> shock: theres an acqua xchat as well
[10:36] <dtygel> had problems with fsck...
[10:36] <dtygel> something like "long filenames"...
[10:36] <shock> yeah... but the aqua xchat stinks
[10:36] <thoreauputic> dtygel: why the / before iocharset?
[10:36] <Jeremy_D> thoreauputic, thanks :) i will
[10:36] <dtygel> sorry, there is no /
[10:37] <dtygel> I misstyped it
[10:37] <thoreauputic> dtygel: OK
[10:37] <dtygel> what could be wrong?
[10:37] <Jeremy_D> darn it cant find the dependant packages
[10:37] <dtygel> it mounts without trouble.
[10:37] <thoreauputic> dtygel: I take it th e/ before vfat is also a typo?
[10:38] <dtygel> let me see...
[10:38] <dtygel> yes let me repeat the line correctly:
[10:38] <thoreauputic> it shouldn't be there...
[10:38] <Jeremy_D> any other suggestions for cd burners?
[10:38] <dtygel> It is: /dev/hda4       /frutos         vfat    iocharset=iso8859-1,auto,users,rw 0       1
[10:38] <thoreauputic> just copy paste it
[10:38] <thoreauputic> k
[10:39] <dtygel> (got the copy-paste: i'm new to ubuntu)
[10:39] <dtygel> (started it today...)
[10:39] <vi11e> how can I change that "current encoding" being from default encoding in gnome terminal window?
[10:40] <thoreauputic> I don't really follow why you need to specify iocharset ...
[10:41] <dtygel> It's because i'm brazilian: we use accents (, etc...)
[10:42] <dtygel> And the /dev/hda4 partition will be shared with windows users.
[10:42] <thoreauputic> vi11e: Terminal-> Set Character Encodings ?
[10:43] <dtygel> some clue on the fstab stuff? something to do with the fsck command during boot.
[10:43] <thoreauputic> dtygel: what errors do you see if you try  mount  /frutos ?
[10:43] <dtygel> no errors at all. It works just fine.
[10:44] <dtygel> During boot, fsck gives up!
[10:44] <thoreauputic> you set "users" so that should work
[10:44] <vi11e> it won't allow me to remove the "current locale UTF-8" and always I open a new terminal it will open with that encoding thoreauputic
[10:44] <thoreauputic> ah - try  0 0 instead of 0 2
[10:44] <dtygel> ok, I'll try it.
[10:44] <kbrooks> OK. I ave a vital question
[10:45] <Beertje|GONE> shoot ;)
[10:45] <vi11e> thoreauputic: you know where I could change my whole system encodings ?
[10:45] <dtygel> There is another problem: As user, I don't have the rights to right, although I put "users" and "rw" options! Why?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> vi11e: hmm - maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[10:45] <dtygel> It doesnt even recognize the directories. Only when I'm as root in nautilus can I see the directories.
[10:46] <kbrooks> kyle@family:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/ez-ipupdate start
[10:46] <kbrooks> Starting Dynamic DNS client: no .conf file in /etc/ez-ipupdate.
[10:46] <kbrooks> Wtf? Why do I get that?
[10:46] <dtygel> ooops: the "rights to write", and not "to right" :)
[10:46] <Jeremy_D> whats a good copy of winamp for linux?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: try dpkg-reconfigure ez-ipupdate, and choose automatic config by debconf, answer the questions
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: xmms, beep-media-player
[10:47] <kbrooks> dtygel, check the permission of the actual directory you mounted your partition under
[10:47] <thoreauputic> beep looks better but has less options
[10:47] <Beertje|GONE> Jeremy_D, xmms is winamp it's practicly the same
[10:48] <dtygel> ok: I'll take a look now...
[10:49] <kbrooks> finally.
[10:49] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: my guess is you chose the wrong option on install ( ez-ipupdate) I did the same.. ;)
[10:49] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, thanks. where's your site ;)
[10:49] <dtygel> magic! I cannot change the permissions, even as root! When I click on the square, the check-mark appears ad suddenly disappears again: it stays always as 744!
[10:49] <Jeremy_D> thanks, what is the main player though, there are so many different things on xmms
[10:49] <dtygel> didn't get it at all...
[10:50] <Beertje|GONE> Jeremy_D, you can apt-get it
[10:50] <Beertje|GONE> i will give you the command
[10:50] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: heh - it's kind of mostly not linux :)  http://interlink.webhop.org
[10:50] <vi11e> hmm thanks thoreauputic ...
[10:50] <Beertje|GONE> sudo apt-get install xmms
[10:50] <Jeremy_D> Beertje|GONE, okay :)
[10:50] <Rocha> Hello, I can't download nothing from merillat
[10:50] <Rocha> Synaptic always says "Failed", any idea why?
[10:51] <glyf> Hi everyone - I have a laptop dual-booting Hoary and XP Home, and I am having some trouble with the clock
[10:51] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, heh.
[10:51] <glyf> what is the package I have to reconfigure to adjust Hoary's idea of whether the hardware clock is set to GMT or not?
[10:51] <kbrooks> run base-config.
[10:52] <kbrooks> sudo base-config
[10:52] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: you looked at the site?
[10:52] <dtygel> glyf: this question appears in the beginning of the install, just run again base-config
[10:52] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, i like it.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: thanks :)
[10:52] <Pluk> i love this! composite rox!
[10:52] <kbrooks> yay,
[10:53] <kbrooks> Non-authoritative answer:
[10:53] <kbrooks> Name:   kyleb.ath.cx
[10:53] <kbrooks> Address: 24.42.86.66
[10:53] <glyf> dtygel: OK
[10:53] <kbrooks> works,
[10:53] <nomed^> hi .... kubuntu?
[10:53] <kbrooks> nomed^, you want kde.
[10:53] <CarlK> "ESS AudioDrive ES18xx soundcard not found or device busy" - details http://paste.phpfi.com/51552
[10:53] <nomed^> kbrooks: i was thinking on it
[10:54] <kbrooks> nomed^, DO YOU WANT KDE?
[10:54] <nomed^> kbrooks: why not?
[10:54] <kbrooks> nomed^, it is in ubuntu hoary. try sudo apt-get install kde
[10:55] <dtygel> thoreauputic: do you have any clue on the permissions thing?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: looks like you have some apache config to do ;)
[10:55] <nomed^> kbrooks: so the mirrors for kubuntu and ubuntu are the same
[10:55] <Jeremy_D> what is composite
[10:55] <Pluk> shadows and transparent windows
[10:55] <kbrooks> nomed^, yes
[10:56] <glyf> dtygel: Is there any way I can tell Windows to do this?
[10:56] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, heh.
[10:56] <thoreauputic> dtygel: not really, sorry - I can show you the line I have for Win XP in my /etc/fstab if you like
[10:56] <dtygel> nice: i'd like to see it.
[10:56] <kbrooks> nomed^, i doubt it is in ubuntu warty, but you could TRY
[10:56] <glyf> dtygel: Thanks for the pointer, by the way.  It fixed the clock w/ hibernate (finally)
[10:56] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda1       /mnt/winXP      ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=peter,gid=peter 0 0
[10:57] <thoreauputic> my user name is peter, obviously
[10:57] <dtygel> glyf: I simply gave up giving gmt time in ubuntu. Then everything was ok. I didn't touch windows...
[10:57] <Jeremy_D> when i open beep-media-player in terminal, i cant close terminal without having to close beep-media-player, why?
[10:57] <Pluk> Jeremy_D, http://www.freedesktop.org/~jg/R6.8/sco-xorg.jpg
[10:57] <Jeremy_D> cant i just open beep-media-player?
[10:57] <dtygel> thor: did you succesfully put permissions 777 in /mnt/winXP?
[10:57] <glyf> dtygel: I would like to just use non-GMT time in Ubuntu as well
[10:58] <kbrooks> dtygel,
[10:58] <farruinn> Jeremy_D: it should be in your "multimedia" menu
[10:58] <kbrooks> errr
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: isn't beep in your menu?
[10:58] <glyf> dtygel: but when I try it, every time I hibernate ubuntu, my clock is screwed up by my GMT diff x2
[10:58] <farruinn> Jeremy_D: if not, you can create a new launcher
[10:58] <Jeremy_D> nope
[10:58] <dtygel> glyf: well, then the trouble is in windows. Must do some research in internet... :'(
[10:58] <Jeremy_D> oh okay
[10:58] <kbrooks> dtygel, does he have to?
[10:58] <Jeremy_D> i will try
[10:58] <Jeremy_D> i like that screen shot
[10:58] <Jeremy_D> i need to get the docker and i will be set :D
[10:59] <thoreauputic> dtygel: drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         1024 2005-02-11 15:38 winXP
[10:59] <thoreauputic> 755 I believe
[10:59] <Jeremy_D> when creating the launcher, do i put beep-media-player in the command box?
[10:59] <farruinn> Pluk: you need to put close, min, max on the left yet ;)
[10:59] <dtygel> kbrooks: I wand /dev/hda4 to be open in our local net: 777...
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: yes
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> wow
[11:00] <dtygel> ok: 755 is ok too, since we will not run anything in this device...
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> that was easy!
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> thank you!
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> wow
[11:00] <glyf> dtygel: speaking of hibernate, time to do so :)
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> awesome
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> shite
[11:00] <vi11e> anyone have a clue what might be my problem with my dcgui-qt. Everytime I run it, the terminal floods loads of errors and all the personal information fields are blank, other words... it doesn't know where to look for my information obviously?
[11:00] <Pluk> farruinn, its not my screenshot :)
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: and click the blank icon to choose an icon
[11:00] <shock> ok - now im back under osx
[11:00] <Pluk> but i have it right too though :)
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> yeah got that
[11:00] <shock> now I need a tool to remap my keyboard
[11:01] <farruinn> Pluk: :D
[11:01] <dtygel> maybe it's impossible to create a directory in "/" and set 755 permissions to it? I'll check it right now.
[11:01] <Jeremy_D> shock, it has that stuff built in and its easy
[11:01] <thoreauputic> dtygel: no
[11:01] <Jeremy_D> shock, what exactly are you wanting to do?
[11:01] <shock> ok - several things
[11:01] <Pluk> vi11e, its a bug
[11:01] <shock> i want (what ucontrol can do):
[11:01] <Pluk> its fixed in 0.3.5
[11:01] <shock> swap arounf alt,apple and control
[11:01] <Pluk> but ubuntu doesnt have 0.3.5 yet
[11:02] <shock> no problem so far
[11:02] <vi11e> pluk, ok...
[11:02] <shock> but I also want: fn+left to be "beginning of line" and fn+right "end of line"
[11:02] <qlo-xael> Hi, I'm trying to configure a kernel, when i try to run 'make menuconfig' i get the error that the Ncurses libraries are not installed.  How do i install these?
[11:02] <shock> and I want Control to be forward delete
[11:02] <dtygel> I got it! We can only change permissions while unmounted... It now worked.
[11:02] <kbrooks> qlo-xael, apt-get it?
[11:02] <shock> thats about the most important
[11:02] <Jeremy_D> shock, i dont understand you lol good luck
[11:03] <Pluk> qlo-xael, you need libncurses5-dev
[11:03] <Jeremy_D> but i do think it has a good customization feature, with the keyboard and things
[11:03] <shock> but I wouldnt mind getting | and {} and []  to the PC-places
[11:03] <Jeremy_D> i dont know if you can actually reassign things, but im sure it might be posible
[11:03] <vi11e> where should I check for information about when 0.3.5. might be available for ubuntu?
[11:03] <shock> im still looking for a way
[11:03] <dtygel> glyf: I hope you can solve the problem. I didn't get it exactly.
[11:03] <qlo-xael> Pluk: so i type: apt-get install libncurses5-dev ?
[11:03] <Pluk> yeah qlo-xael
[11:04] <dtygel> The clock went messed up after hibernating ubuntu?
[11:04] <shock> its a real pain when used to pc keyboards and having to use pc keyboards all the time
[11:04] <Pluk> vi11e, get  the source from : http://dcgui.berlios.de/index.php and compile it yourself
[11:05] <vi11e> pluk, naah, I am a total newbie, I have lots of things I should fix but I don't even bother to start asking them all here :I
[11:06] <Pluk> :D
[11:06] <Pluk> you learn a lot from it though
[11:06] <HansKaiser> hi
[11:07] <vi11e> one is that I get error "perl:setting locale failed" now even when I uninstalled dcgui-qt it mentioned about that... weird
[11:07] <qlo-xael> Pluk: do you know offhand if ncurses comes with the warty ubuntu installation?
[11:07] <vi11e> and I couldn't change my finnish keyboard layout really :S
[11:07] <Pluk> dunno qlo-xael
[11:07] <Pluk> try apt-cache search libncurses dev
[11:07] <dtygel> I'll try your suggestions about fstab right now,
[11:07] <Pluk> thatll give you some
[11:07] <farruinn> qlo-xael: 'apt-cache show [package]  | grep Status'
[11:08] <dtygel> cya
[11:09] <Rocha> I can't download nothing from merillat
[11:09] <Rocha> Synaptic always says "Failed", any idea why?
[11:10] <shock> ukelele might be what I want!
[11:10] <shock> *hopes*
[11:10] <hikaru79> Rocha, Hoary or Warty?
[11:10] <Necrosan> rocha is the new name of it?
[11:10] <Necrosan> the newest alpha build
[11:10] <Necrosan> oh nm, Rocha
[11:10] <Necrosan> lol
[11:11] <Rocha> hikaru79, hoary
[11:11] <Rocha> Necrosan, :D :D
[11:12] <farruinn> Rocha: does it say failed when you hit "reload" or when you try to install something?
[11:12] <Rocha> farruinn, when reloading
[11:12] <farruinn> are you absolutely sure that your repository entry is correct?
[11:12] <Rocha> I copy-pasted from ubuntuguide
[11:13] <thenuke> umm, can I clone ubuntu installed into my laptop to another desktop PC?
[11:13] <Rocha> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[11:13] <Rocha> right?
[11:13] <vi11e> hey, how come there is no package limwire
[11:13] <farruinn> ok, first of all ubuntuguide is primarily for warty
[11:13] <Jeremy_D> thenuke, i have thought the same thing...
[11:13] <Jeremy_D> i dont feel like setting up a whole new system, once i get my laptop going...
[11:13] <Rocha> farruinn, i just want the codecs for divx and dvd
[11:14] <farruinn> Rocha: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:14] <Jeremy_D> i had troubles with isntallation...
[11:14] <thenuke> Jeremy_D: yep :I I bet that it could be copied
[11:14] <Rocha> farruinn, that site says that i have to download them from merillat
[11:14] <Jeremy_D> things failed once, id try again and they would work, which is weird
[11:14] <Jeremy_D> thenuke, yeah i am sure its possible
[11:14] <brap> I want to install gdm but when I use apt-get it also wants to install 2 alsa packages.  Is there a way to install gdm without the dependencies?
[11:14] <farruinn> Rocha: yes, and it also says specifically what your sources.list entry should be for hoary
[11:15] <Rocha> farruinn, unstable
[11:15] <bascule> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts
[11:15] <Rocha> i added all of them
[11:15] <farruinn> Rocha: in synaptic or directly into /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <Rocha> in synaptic
[11:16] <brap> I want to install gdm but when I use apt-get it also wants to install 2 alsa packages.  Is there a way to install gdm without the dependencies?
[11:16] <farruinn> Rocha: if you did a copy-paste I'd bet you got the entire line into the URI field...
[11:16] <farruinn> brap: we heard you the first time.  why would you want to do that?
[11:17] <brap> farruinn: because I don't need the alsa packages
[11:17] <Rocha> farruinn, nop :)
[11:17] <Rocha> farruinn, i erased the "deb" and the other stuff
[11:18] <farruinn> Rocha: :/ don't know what to tell you then except that maybe stable doesn't exist
[11:18] <farruinn> you should just have the unstable one, not the other two
[11:18] <Rocha> ok
[11:18] <Rocha> i'll try again
[11:19] <shadeofgrey> your never going to believe this guys
[11:19] <kbrooks> huh
[11:19] <shadeofgrey> i actually got ubuntu horay to install!  im using it right now!
[11:19] <blahrus> way to go shadeofgrey
[11:20] <shadeofgrey> now i need help
[11:20] <farruinn> congrats, but I believe you of course :D
[11:20] <shadeofgrey> to make sure things are okay
[11:20] <shadeofgrey> first of all...  in Fedora i had to download special drivers to get my nvidia to display fonts properly and shit.  do i still need to do that?  i dont hace the same font problems
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: you can install the nvidia binary drivers if you want 3d
[11:21] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: I want you to think very carefully about what you just asked :)
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> (assuming you haven't installed them already)
[11:22] <Rocha> farruinn, still fails :(
[11:22] <shadeofgrey> second of all and most importantly - when I booted the LiveCD i automatically had the ability to see my windows partition in the filemanager and now i cant how do i set that up?  because all my mp3's are on my win32 partition?
[11:22] <Rocha> i'll go back to fedora, i can't use this if i can't watch dvd's
[11:22] <shadeofgrey> and im going to go NUTS if i cant have my tunes
[11:23] <Cerb|AFK> Rocha, why is that
[11:23] <Rocha> Cerb|AFK, i can't load the packages from marillat
[11:23] <Cerb|AFK> http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[11:23] <Rocha> synaptic always fails why reloading the packages
[11:23] <Cerb|AFK> that is not working?
[11:23] <Rocha> nop, i don't know why
[11:23] <Cerb|AFK> weird
[11:24] <thoreauputic> dialup disconnect :(
[11:24] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, well
[11:24] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, are you ready to edit text files? ;)
[11:25] <Rocha> Cerb|AFK, i'll try adding the line on the text file, without synaptic
[11:25] <shadeofgrey> sure
[11:25] <Cerb|AFK> yes you can try that
[11:25] <Cerb|AFK> school in 6hours pffffffffff
[11:25] <Cerb|AFK> off to bed :)))
[11:25] <kbrooks> oops
[11:25] <kbrooks> ok
[11:26] <kbrooks> what is your windows partition seen in windows as?
[11:26] <kbrooks> the drive letter?
[11:26] <Cerb|AFK> hda
[11:26] <kbrooks> Cerb|AFK, NOT YOU!
[11:26] <Cerb|AFK> lol
[11:26] <Cerb|AFK> sorryyyyy :p
[11:27] <Cerb|AFK> why the hell do u ask it then ;)
[11:27] <thor|afk> Cerb|AFK: heh - get some sleep ;)
[11:27] <shadeofgrey> hda -- its known as C:\
[11:27] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey,
[11:27] <kbrooks> well,
[11:27] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, ok. sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:28] <shadeofgrey> i type that in a terminal window?
[11:28] <kbrooks> yes
[11:28] <kbrooks> so add this to the bottom:
[11:28] <shadeofgrey> okay wait
[11:29] <kbrooks> ( ) /dev/hda1 /mnt/mountpoint fat32 rw,user 0 2
[11:29] <kbrooks> note: delete the ( )
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> its not fat32
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> its NTFS
[11:29] <kbrooks> ntfs
[11:30] <kbrooks> (lowercase)
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> where do i type that though?  im in a really weird window
[11:30] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: it's an editor
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> okay wait i get it
[11:30] <thoreauputic> navigate with arrow keys
[11:30] <kbrooks> ^ means control.
[11:31] <thoreauputic> instructions on the bottom line
[11:31] <kbrooks> nano is really easy to use
[11:32] <kbrooks> thats why i use nano all the time
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> okay...  so i go to the bottom and type "/dev/hda /mnt/mountpoint ntfs r, user 0 2"
[11:32] <kbrooks> ew
[11:32] <kbrooks> yeah
[11:32] <kbrooks> rw*
[11:32] <kbrooks> and say:
[11:32] <kbrooks> rw,user
[11:32] <kbrooks> instead of
[11:32] <kbrooks> rw user
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> because i just want to be able to read.. i dont want to be able to write to the disk
[11:32] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: /mnt/mountpoint dhould be *your* mountpoint
[11:33] <thoreauputic> ie /mnt/mountpoint must exist...
[11:33] <shadeofgrey> okay so what do i call the mountpoint
[11:33] <kbrooks> all entries in the file are seperated by whitespace
[11:33] <kbrooks> tabs or spaces will do
[11:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: do you have an existing directory in mnt?
[11:34] <shadeofgrey> i have no idea what your asking when you say that thor
[11:34] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, and REMEMBER to chmod that directory to 644.
[11:34] <Rocha> farruinn, i really can't donwload the marillat packages :(
[11:34] <Rocha> farruinn, back to fedora :(
[11:34] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, sudo mkdir -p /mnt/mountpoint (fill in mountpoint)
[11:34] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, and then
[11:34] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: umm OK - well you need a directory to "mount" to before you edit that file
[11:34] <shadeofgrey> okay wait
[11:35] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:35] <thoreauputic> ctrl - x to escape nano
[11:35] <kbrooks> edit as necessary
[11:35] <kbrooks> exit
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> the directory i want to mount is c:\mp3 and all its sub directories
[11:35] <kbrooks> well
[11:36] <Rocha> farruinn, i'll try installing totem-xine
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> would it be easier if i just copied them all to my ubuntu partition?  its only 67 gigs of data - and the partition i put ubuntu in has 189 free
[11:36] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, yes and no.
[11:36] <bascule> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ <-- those are OK as apt sources I presume?
[11:36] <kbrooks> it is easy.
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> okay im out of nano
[11:37] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, now do
[11:37] <kbrooks> sudo mount /mnt/mountpoint
[11:37] <kbrooks> (fill in mountpoint)
[11:37] <Schaap> So is webcam support crap in ubuntu or just linux in general
[11:37] <thenuke> where did the mozilla-flashplayer package go :o
[11:37] <sri> hey does anybody know how to get jabberd working on ubuntu?
[11:37] <tidalwav1> hi, room, I have a problem
[11:37] <sri> I'm having some trouble trying to gt it to work
[11:38] <sri> it won't accept any connections
[11:38] <tidalwav1> I tried changing all of my references to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.listy
[11:38] <tidalwav1> *sources.list
[11:38] <shadeofgrey> how do i make c:\mp3 a mountpoint?
[11:38] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, and it *should* work.
[11:38] <tidalwav1> and I ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:38] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, you cant. not directly.
[11:38] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you don't
[11:38] <tidalwav1> and now apt-get is choking on some gimp packages
[11:38] <kbrooks> tidalwav1, pm?
[11:38] <tidalwav1> the upgrade isn't working
[11:38] <Schaap> Can ubuntu use drivers provided for windows?
[11:38] <tritium> has anyone tried mythtv on powerpc?  If so, what tuner card did you use?
[11:38] <Schaap> dll files
[11:38] <thoreauputic> Schaap: in general, no
[11:39] <Schaap> aha
[11:39] <Schaap> so webcam support is crap
[11:39] <thoreauputic> dll files aren't drivers :/
[11:39] <kbrooks> Schaap, no
[11:39] <Schaap> well
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> Schaap: no, webcam support is specific
[11:39] <Schaap> inf then
[11:39] <kbrooks> Schaap, DLL FILES ARE NOT DRIVERS
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Schaap: you are making a lot of assumptions...
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> it well either work or.. not.
[11:40] <Schaap> kbrooks. *.inf then
[11:40] <kbrooks> information files are .ini files
[11:40] <Schaap> well you know what i mean
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Schaap: you have some reading to do, methinks :)
[11:40] <Schaap> ok, so i cant use my webcam
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Schaap: Schaap: you are making a lot of assumptions...
[11:40] <kbrooks> Schaap, i'll find it.
[11:40] <Schaap> no problem
[11:40] <shadeofgrey> okay.  lets make this easier...  how do i just copy the whole directory from win to ubuntu?
[11:41] <shadeofgrey> surely its possible?
[11:41] <Schaap> well, webcams dont seem as wel documented for Linux
[11:41] <Schaap> shadeofgrey, samba
[11:41] <shadeofgrey> or ... well...  i suppose i have to mount it anyway huh?
[11:42] <zorba64> tidalwav1: what error mesages are u getting when apt "chokes"
[11:42] <kbrooks> Schaap, not samba
[11:42] <Schaap> just create a smaba share, copy it from windows to there
[11:42] <Schaap> done
[11:42] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs /mnt ; cp -a /mnt  (or something like that as root)
[11:42] <kbrooks> zorba64, ...
[11:42] <kbrooks> NOT SAMBA
[11:42] <tidalwav1> zorba: working on it with kbrooks :)
[11:42] <Schaap> Geez FINE
[11:42] <CarlK> where is the proper place to put module parameters?  it was /etc/conf.modules, then modules.conf, then modprobe.conf, now I think they go in seperate files or something?
[11:42] <Schaap> ILL LEAVE THEN
[11:42] <Schaap> btw THANKS
[11:42] <sjoerd> Schaap: webcams with an philips chipset will work, various others too more or less
[11:42] <zorba64> ok
[11:43] <thoreauputic> Schaap didn't hang around to learn anything, I notice...
[11:44] <AndyR> tritium, i have a g3 and a bttv but not together
[11:44] <AndyR> can do a test tomorrow
[11:44] <tritium> AndyR, really?
[11:44] <shadeofgrey> okay
[11:44] <tritium> That would be fantastic!
[11:45] <tritium> AndyR, only if you don't mind, and it's not too much trouble.
[11:45] <shadeofgrey> so mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs
[11:45] <AndyR> no problems, im on holiday
[11:45] <cg0def> does anyone know a good usb tv tuner
[11:45] <shadeofgrey> that'll mount it in the file browser?
[11:45] <cg0def> I am trying to find one for a laptop
[11:45] <tritium> AndyR, you're awesome.  I sincerely appreciate the kind offer.
[11:45] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: no - sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[11:46] <shadeofgrey> what does that do?
[11:46] <shadeofgrey> in plain english
[11:46] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you don't have a working /etc/fstab so you need admin privileges, That connects your win partiton to the /mnt directory
[11:47] <thoreauputic> assuming win is on /dev/hda1
[11:47] <tritium> AndyR, which bttv card do you have?
[11:47] <dtygel> thoreauputic: thank you very very much: fstab worked allright!
[11:47] <shadeofgrey> okay done
[11:47] <shadeofgrey> now what?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: if that command returns no error, now do
[11:48] <thoreauputic> cd /mnt
[11:48] <thoreauputic> then do
[11:48] <thoreauputic> ls   (you should see windows in the terminal now0
[11:48] <thoreauputic> now)
[11:48] <dtygel> Now folks, I have one more quest before me: installing apache+php+mysql. Does anyone have a suggestion of a tutorial or some documentation to do it straight forward in ubuntu?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> dtygel: glad to hear it :)
[11:49] <dtygel> thor: yeah!
[11:49] <thoreauputic> dtygel: and you're welcome :)
[11:49] <qlo-xael> Hi all, I am trying to configure a kernel and I am getting the error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses", when I check the synaptic package manager, i already have ncurses 5.4.4 installed.  Does anyone know what the problem might be.
[11:49] <shadeofgrey> okay i get it now
[11:49] <shadeofgrey> sort of
[11:49] <qlo-xael> the error actually says "you must install ncurses-devel.."
[11:49] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: can you see the files when you ls ?
[11:49] <shadeofgrey> yes
[11:50] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: OK now do
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> so now i can copy them
[11:50] <shock> ok - now its getting _really_ tough for linux to beat my osx :P
[11:50] <MobyTurbo> qlo-xael, ncurses-devel is a seperate package of headers from the basic ncurses package.
[11:50] <shock> even though I lub linux
[11:50] <shock> the only thing I could not by no means change is the Sideways-K => Delete
[11:50] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you should be able to, yes
[11:51] <shadeofgrey> what command do i use to do that?
[11:51] <LinuxJones> qlo-xael, apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[11:51] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: open your file manager and have a look
[11:51] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: all the win stuff should show up in your nautilus file manager if you navigate to the /mnt directory now
[11:52] <shadeofgrey> okay i tried to click on it and it says i dont have permission to view the contents
[11:52] <qlo-xael> LinuxJones: "Couldnt find package libncurses5-dev"
[11:52] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: OK then in a terminal, cd /mnt
[11:52] <BockBilbo> tritium, you there?
[11:52] <tritium> BockBilbo, yeah
[11:52] <BockBilbo> have you fixed the problem?
[11:52] <qlo-xael> LinuxJones: sounds like i need to use the internet and not the install cd maybe?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: then do sudo -s to get root privileges
[11:53] <tritium> BockBilbo, nope
[11:53] <tritium> haven't tried
[11:53] <qlo-xael> i can't seem to find ncurses-devel on freshmeat..
[11:53] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: the prompt should change to #
[11:53] <BockBilbo> tritium, :S i just switched back to esound
[11:53] <tritium> BockBilbo, you did?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: then cd to the dir you want to copy
[11:53] <BockBilbo> yes
[11:53] <MobyTurbo> qlo-xael, it's in the apt-get repositories, you'll need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines dealing with internet apt sources. Then run apt-get update
[11:53] <LinuxJones> qlo-xael, yeah
[11:53] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: OK?
[11:54] <qlo-xael> thanks MobyTurbo
[11:54] <Cerb|AFK> where do i find httpd.conf to change my webservers port i tried /etc/apache2 but that httpd.conf file is empty?
[11:54] <CarlK> any recomendations on a live cd that might get my isa sound working so I can see how it did it?
[11:54] <BockBilbo> i will go back to polypaudio once its well incorporated in hoary
[11:54] <qlo-xael> MobyTurbo: how do i run apt-get update?
[11:55] <dtygel> Folks, does someone have some experience in establishing a apache-mysql-php server in ubuntu?
[11:55] <qlo-xael> Also, can someone tell me how enable the universe?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you still alive ? ;)
[11:55] <BockBilbo> qlo-xael, Gnome terminal and then type
[11:55] <BockBilbo> sudo apt-get update
[11:55] <qlo-xael> u know, i figured it was that easy
[11:55] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: hehe - only root can enable the universe ;)
[11:55] <Cerb|AFK> :)
[11:56] <kbrooks> yay
[11:56] <kbrooks> i finally helped him
[11:56] <shock> man - now I'm beginning to like osx :( - now what? is there a cure?
[11:56] <BockBilbo> qlo-xael, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?expr=HowTo
[11:56] <kbrooks> if anyone ever wants the logs of my talk with him, pm me ;)
[11:56] <qlo-xael> Thanks much
[11:58] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, what are the packages needed to add the debian menu to the app menu?
[11:58] <shadeofgrey> im here
[11:58] <shadeofgrey> sorry
[11:58] <shadeofgrey> phone rang
[11:58] <bascule> http://www.smh.com.au/news/Breaking/Multiple-flaws-found-in-Linux-kernel/2005/02/17/1108609328729.html?oneclick=true
[11:58] <Burn`> Ophalen: 1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/multiverse Packages [69,7kB] 
[11:58] <Burn`> Foutief http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/multiverse Packages
[11:58] <Burn`>   Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[11:59] <Burn`> somebody knows this fault?
[11:59] <bascule> should I apply for a job as a news caster?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> BockBilbo: hmmm... there is a menu package but it doesn't do that - I think the ubuntu devs decided debian menus were A Bad Thing (tm)
[11:59] <shadeofgrey> okay once i get to the directory i want to copy how do i actually copy everything
[11:59] <shadeofgrey> and where should i put it?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> did you become root as I suggested?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: to do the copying?
[11:59] <shadeofgrey> yes the prompt is a # now
[11:59] <BockBilbo> thoreauputic, but... i uses to have it in hoary 3 days ago...
[12:00] <BockBilbo> :S