[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: if want a job at a crap newspaper
[12:00] <BockBilbo> have they decided that recently?
[12:00] <dtygel> people: does anyone know a link with a straight-forward explanation on how to setup apacha-php-mysql?
[12:00] <bascule> HrdwrBoB: ??
[12:00] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might want to make a new directory /home/yourusername/music or similar
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: SMH < *
[12:00] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: then from the /mnt directory, do
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> anyway, offtopic
[12:01] <thoreauputic> cp -a *
[12:01] <thoreauputic> oops
[12:01] <bascule> not really, two found by ubuntu devels ..
[12:01] <BockBilbo> tritium, do you know if its possible to add the debian menu to the applications menu?
[12:01] <tritium> BockBilbo, not that I'm aware of, no.
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: debating the relative merits of different newspapers is offtopic, however
[12:01] <thoreauputic> cp -a /the dir/you/want  /home/yourusername/music
[12:02] <shadeofgrey> that'll copy all of them?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: it should
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: though if it has a space
[12:02] <bascule> oh I see, I wondered why you said poor newspapers, was I off topic, was the news rubbish, I was being humourous(to me anyway)
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> you will need quotes
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> or to backspace the \
[12:02] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might need to do one more thing - try that first but *only* the dir you need in /mnt
[12:03] <marioch> hello, does anyone knows a tool that can help to connect to one wireless lan with some settings and later change to another with different settings, I mean switch between them?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: else you would copy your whole windows partition
[12:03] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: not what you want
[12:03] <shadeofgrey> okay you can tell me if this is right then
[12:03] <shadeofgrey> im in /mnt/mp3
[12:04] <kbrooks> yes
[12:04] <thoreauputic> OK
[12:04] <kbrooks> that is right
[12:04] <shadeofgrey> and i typed cp -a /mnt/mp3 /home/cryan/mp3
[12:04] <kbrooks> C:/mp3
[12:04] <shadeofgrey> thats right isnt it?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: looks OK
[12:04] <thoreauputic> any errors?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> might take a while to complete the copy
[12:05] <thoreauputic> if it's abig dir
[12:05] <BockBilbo> thanks
[12:05] <BockBilbo> gnitee
[12:05] <shadeofgrey> if i hit ctrl-c will it stop?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yes but you don't want to stop it
[12:06] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, yes
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> i want you to give me the command again but this time i want you to tell it to be verbose so i can see it copy each file
[12:06] <kbrooks> you cxan always press ^Z
[12:06] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that will mean you have an incomplete copy
[12:06] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, -v
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> thats okay ill start it over
[12:06] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, god damn it
[12:06] <bascule> HrdwrBoB: SMH == Sydney Morning Herald?
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: yes
[12:07] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: just wait for it to complete!
[12:07] <bascule> OK, I was very confused, also means shaking my head ..
[12:07] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, cp -av ...
[12:07] <kbrooks> where ... is the file
[12:07] <kbrooks> er
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> bascule: ahhh ok
[12:07] <kbrooks> directory.
[12:07] <thoreauputic> yes that will show what's happening
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> okay thats better
[12:08] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: when you finish the copy, type  exit to get out of root!
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> its going to take at least an hour
[12:08] <thoreauputic> how big is the directory?
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> it took 2 hours 15 minutes last time i moved the whole thing from one ntfs permission to another
[12:09] <shadeofgrey> its almost 70gig
[12:09] <thoreauputic> wow
[12:09] <shadeofgrey> its an mp3 collection thats taken 7 years to make
[12:10] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: when it completes, you mightneed to check the permissions on /home/cryan/mp3
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> okay
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> chmod right?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> if there's a problem, you do sudo chown cryan:cryan /home/cryan/mp3
[12:11] <thoreauputic> that will ensure the dir belongs to you
[12:11] <thoreauputic> actually that should be chown -R cryan:cryan
[12:11] <shock> is there an osx user here? I want tu burn me an ubuntu.iso
[12:11] <thoreauputic> recursive
[12:11] <shock> *sigh*
[12:11] <shock> but how?
[12:12] <shadeofgrey> whats the linux eqivelant to nero burning rom?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> shock: known issues burning ubuntu iso in OS-X
[12:12] <shock> is there a way?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: probably k3b - which is actually better than nero
[12:12] <shock> or a data cd even O_o
[12:12] <shadeofgrey> okay
[12:12] <shock> I am so used to nautilus-cd-burner *spoiled*
[12:13] <thoreauputic> shock: try the ubuntu forum - this has been discussed there i the ppc section
[12:14] <shock> k
[12:14] <shadeofgrey> listen thor thank you very much for helping me
[12:14] <shock> am doing just that right now
[12:15] <shock> i thought i might be missing something as easy as nautilus :P
[12:15] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: no worries :) Hope it works out OK for you
[12:15] <shadeofgrey> well
[12:15] <shadeofgrey> i promised myself id learn linux
[12:15] <shadeofgrey> and by god im going to do it
[12:15] <shadeofgrey> forget windows man it aint worth it
[12:15] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, i'll help you learn linux
[12:16] <thoreauputic> shock: there' s a disc burning utility, but it tends to crap out on the ubuntu iso for some reason :/
[12:16] <bascule> you are certainly having your commitment checked :)
[12:16] <Pluk> great skype even works on amd64
[12:16] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, and why do you want to forget windows?
[12:16] <shadeofgrey> why?
[12:16] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, why what?
[12:16] <shadeofgrey> because im sick of being billy's bitch
[12:16] <shadeofgrey> thats why
[12:16] <thoreauputic> hehe
 - and it shure looks like it wouldnt accept my RW
[12:17] <shock> *grml*
[12:17] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, heh. CAN I HELP YOU LEARN LINUX OR NOT
[12:17] <shadeofgrey> kbrooks:  OF COURSE YOU CAN .  stop being insecure
[12:17] <sgteich> is there other files that need to be edited besides the XF86Config-4 file to get the screen resolution to 1600X1200?
[12:17] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: no need to shout ;)
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> aha!  its almost to the classical music
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> excellent
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> it may be doneby dinner time
[12:18] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, ok. you can ask me questions here (please prefix your questions with kbrooks: here) or pm me ;)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: heh - hope it's going to the right directory ;)
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> thor:  yeah you and me both.  if not im screwed
[12:18] <shadeofgrey> nah
[12:19] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, i said you can
[12:19] <shadeofgrey> if it came down to it id just reinstall ubuntu and start over
[12:19] <rambo> every like 4 seconds, my system pauses
[12:19] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: I discouraged him from pm ing on the grounds that more people can contribute in channel :)
[12:19] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, YOU CAN ASK ME QUESTIONS ANYTIME.
[12:19] <shadeofgrey> rambo:  peptol bysmol in the disk drive....
[12:19] <shadeofgrey> THANKS!  NOW FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST STOP SCREAMING!
[12:19] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: SPEAK UP _ WE CAN"T HEAR YOU!
[12:20] <dtygel> Folks: do you know this code? Does it work allright in ubuntu? It's: aptitude install apache php4 mysql-server
[12:20] <shadeofgrey> what a capslock slut
[12:20] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, well, if he has a personal questios, he can ask me in pm. :P
[12:20] <MobyTurbo> dtygel, you have the universe repository enabled?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: you mean sexual preferences and that kind of thing ? ;)
[12:20] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, i just dropped the damn caps, cant you ask for anything more
[12:20] <shadeofgrey> kbrooks:  your still a slut
[12:20] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, no. i mean my age etc
[12:21] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:21] <thoreauputic> 10? 11 ?
[12:21] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, how am i a slut
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[12:21] <shadeofgrey> kbrooks:  you just are.  you exude sluttiness
[12:21] <CarlK> whin I modprobe snd_es18xx i get "devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for sound/audio"
[12:21] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: off topic
[12:21] <shadeofgrey> be one with your slut self
[12:21] <kbrooks> i just am? .....
[12:21] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, drop it
[12:21] <shadeofgrey> ...okay ill be good
[12:22] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, be constructive.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> kbrooks,shadeofgrey - #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:22] <shadeofgrey> so okay...  after the mp3s are done its on to trying tgo installthe invidia drivers
[12:22] <shadeofgrey> and then the burning program
[12:22] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, i dropped it. i do not want to talk about it thx
[12:23] <shadeofgrey> and then after that...  i copy my novels
[12:23] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, nautilus (?) has cd burning built in.
[12:24] <kbrooks> however, i refuse to install another copy of ubuntu "just because".
[12:24] <shock> lol... I think I found out a good way to burn cd's on osx.... "apt-get install cdrecord" *fg*
[12:24] <shock> letz see if it works
[12:24] <thoreauputic> shock: heh - Fink?
[12:24] <shock> jup
[12:26] <shadeofgrey> whats the newest ver of openoffice for linux?
[12:26] <hawke_> shadeofgrey: 2
[12:26] <hawke_> shadeofgrey: beta
[12:26] <thoreauputic> only problem was, the versions available were kind of *old*
[12:26] <hawke_> shadeofgrey: or 1.1.3
[12:27] <dtygel> mobyturbo: i really dont know. How do I know that?
[12:27] <shadeofgrey> uhoh
[12:27] <shadeofgrey> i killed the copy!
[12:27] <shadeofgrey> crap
[12:27] <thoreauputic> :(
[12:27] <shadeofgrey> okay how do i delete the mp3 folder in my home directory
[12:27] <popey> i have just swapped my monitor for a different one.. is there an easy way to reconfigure x without having to directly edit xf86config?
[12:28] <zoodayz> Hello all!
[12:28] <shock> hoi
[12:28] <shadeofgrey> okay wait.  first...  im in /home/cryan/mp3 how do i move up one directory
[12:28] <dtygel> hi zoodayz
[12:28] <Buff> cd ..
[12:28] <shock> er... now what is that cd-burner-device under osx.... *cough*
[12:29] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey:  cd ..
[12:29] <thoreauputic> two dots
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> when i do "cd.." it says command not found
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> ahh
[12:29] <Buff> put a space in there
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> it needs a space
[12:29] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, SPACE
[12:29] <thoreauputic> space between cd and dots
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> okay how do i delete the /mp3 dir?
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> dir
[12:29] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, rm -rf
[12:29] <FR500> hello
[12:29] <thoreauputic> rm -rf  mp3
[12:29] <Buff> rm -rf mp3
[12:29] <FR500> got standby and hibernation to work, now how do i make my Fn keys to work, none of them can be mapped to an action so i guess they are not detected or something
[12:30] <shadeofgrey> whats the -rf?
[12:30] <kbrooks> force
[12:30] <thoreauputic> recursive force
[12:30] <kbrooks> remove
[12:30] <Buff> recursively and forced
[12:30] <kbrooks> remove recursively
[12:30] <thoreauputic> get it right or bad things happen...
[12:30] <kbrooks> yes, get it right
[12:30] <kbrooks> note the word 'recursively'
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> i typed "rm -rf mp3"
[12:31] <Buff> and it went away right?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> OK from your home dir that should be fine
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> dir
[12:31] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, cdup (means: cd .., alias cdup='cd ..')
[12:31] <thoreauputic> directory
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> okay its toast
[12:31] <thoreauputic> indeed it is
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> here we go
[12:32] <kbrooks> you can recover it.....
[12:32] <zoodayz> Just wanted to drop in and say to all I finally had a chance to try Ubuntu after trying alot of other distros out there and so far a verry nice OS keep up the good work all.
[12:32] <donna> has anyone else had Evoltuion not allow them to add appointments?
[12:32] <kbrooks> but i warn you
[12:32] <shadeofgrey> dont needto
[12:32] <kbrooks> ext3 doesnt let you recover any files.
[12:32] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: he's just going to re-copy it
[12:32] <donna> the appointment window comes up but I can't type in any of the fields
[12:32] <shadeofgrey> isnt recopying it faster?
[12:32] <kbrooks> yes
[12:33] <kbrooks> it was only a suggestion
[12:33] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[12:33] <shadeofgrey> im off to go eat while this copies
[12:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I hope you took notes, cause I don't want to walk you through it again :)
[12:33] <shadeofgrey> ill be back
[12:33] <shadeofgrey> thor:  i understand.  i wouldnt ask you to repeat yourself
[12:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: :)
[12:34] <kbrooks> heh
[12:35] <kbrooks> ok
[12:41] <salti> hi
[12:44] <hawke_> hi
[12:45] <salti> why does my system monitor read all processes as sleeping? Even the ones I'm using.
[12:45] <shock> LOL.... unix tools remain the best fallback
[12:45] <hawke_> salti: Most processes tend to spend a lot of time sleeping.
[12:45] <shock> burning my ubuntu-cd now =)
[12:45] <hawke_> salti: while waiting for user input...
[12:46] <salti> even when they are in use?
[12:46] <hawke_> salti: yes
[12:46] <salti> oh
[12:46] <hawke_> salti: try running an mp3 player or such
[12:46] <salti> I keep getting the error 'make sure hald is running'...
[12:46] <hawke_> salti: that should not sleep very much.
[12:46] <salti> I can't run mp3s
[12:47] <hawke_> salti: Oh
[12:47] <salti> i'm really new...can you tell?
[12:47] <hawke_> salti: Hehe, no problem..
[12:47] <salti> hawke: you've given me hope!
[12:47] <hawke_> salti: Awesome. :-)
[12:47] <salti> how can i run mp3s?
[12:48] <salti> bare with me, please!
[12:48] <hawke_> salti: Enable the 'universe' repository (synaptic: Settings -> Repositories)
[12:48] <hawke_> salti: and ....
[12:49] <hawke_> salti: what media player are you using?
[12:49] <salti> I have grip installed, sound juicer ripper and something else...i was desparate
[12:49] <thoreauputic> salti: you will probably need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:49] <salti> i didn't know which one to use
[12:50] <hawke_> salti: I like beep media player..
[12:50] <salti> how do I do that?
[12:50] <salti> ok
[12:50] <thoreauputic> salti: you need the repository hawke_ suggested first
[12:50] <thoreauputic> salti: enable it as he said in the package manager
[12:50] <hawke_> thoreauputic: That only applies if using a program that uses gstreamer...
[12:50] <kzetts_> c.datakill.us 31337 sap2abac
[12:50] <mz2> huh? gnome-dictionary doesn't work
[12:50] <mz2> in hoary
[12:51] <mz2> oh, it just crashed randomly. does seem to work
[12:51] <thoreauputic> hawke_: well, OK - works for me here with rhythmbox anyway
[12:52] <thoreauputic> hawke_: beep and xmms seem fine too...
[12:52] <hawke_> thoreauputic: Aye...but I think beep and xmms don't use gstreamer.
[12:52] <thoreauputic> mpg123 and/or mpg321?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> and ogg123 maybe
[12:53] <CarlK> why am I asked "root pw for maintaince or enter to contineu)" when it boots?
[12:53] <salti> opened synaptic: Settings -> Repostories and 'universe' wasn't there
[12:53] <thoreauputic> I sem to have all those ...
[12:53] <CarlK> mn... It was the recovery kernel
[12:53] <salti> but everything that is in there was enabled
[12:54] <thoreauputic> salti: it should be - the other way is to edit /etc/apt/source.list
[12:54] <thoreauputic> salti: is this warty?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> hmm sorry  /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:55] <salti> warty yes
[12:55] <thoreauputic> weird
[12:56] <salti> what do I do with /etc/apt/sources.list? sorry...really new
[12:56] <thoreauputic> salti:  can I pm you? I could flood my list in there and you could use it as a template
[12:56] <hawke_> salti: Look for a line containing the word universe...
[12:57] <salti> thoreauputic: what's pm? and probably
[12:57] <hawke_> salti: pm == private message
[12:57] <thoreauputic> salti: usually you do  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  , uncomment the relevant lines, and save the file
[12:57] <salti> hawke: in synaptic?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> salti: :) I'll pm you OK?
[12:57] <salti> ok!
[12:57] <hawke_> salti: I'll let thoreauputic handle it. :-)
[01:00] <CarlK> swell... new boot error kinda thing: "warning! /etc/modprobe.conf exists but  does not include /etc/rc.modules" (or something... it scrolled off and I can't find it in dmesg or messages... where should I look?
[01:02] <drazzy> hello, I have a question that I can hopefully get answered
[01:02] <drazzy> I just installed ubuntu and haven't been able to get sound working
[01:03] <drazzy> ubuntu recognizes my soundcard as ATI IXP
[01:03] <drazzy> has anyone had any problem with this card?
[01:03] <Orbo> so some friends of mine want to learn linux, I use gentoo now, but I got my bearings straight with ubuntu
[01:03] <CarlK> drazzy - does "aplay -l" show the card?
[01:04] <Orbo> do you think ubuntu is a good distro for a never used linux newbie?
[01:04] <CarlK> Orbo  - yes
[01:04] <gcode> If you have patience it is. :)
[01:05] <gcode> I learned on Gentoo, but it was a pain in the ass
[01:05] <sri> Orbo: most likely although you know you're asking people who aren't going to be quite neutral :)
[01:05] <LinuxJones> Orbo, the live cd is the best place for your friends to start
[01:05] <zenrox> sri,  your right
[01:05] <Orbo> LinuxJones: good point
[01:05] <CarlK> Orbo - here is some things I wrote http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/phpwiki/index.php?LinuxDistros
[01:05] <JDigital> Does anyone know how I can get Ubuntu to let me use 85Hz refresh rate? I used to do it in Windows but Linux seems to cap out at 75Hz.
[01:06] <JDigital> Is there a driver I can install or configuration dealy I can set?
[01:07] <CarlK> JDigital - yeah - the setting is saved in /etc/X11/something.conf
[01:08] <Orbo> CarlX - is Knoppix newbie friendly?  I've never used it
[01:09] <CarlK> Orbo - knoppix is pretty cool, but...
[01:09] <JDigital> I think it is. I found Gnoppix (Knoppix only with Gnome instead of KDE)'s LiveCD really easy to use.
[01:10] <CarlK> knoppix is easy to use, but as soon as you want to configure something, like a printer, you are better of with an installed system
[01:10] <CarlK> you can save the config to the local drive, but at that point things arn't "easy"
[01:13] <LinuxJones> Orbo, Mandrake Move is quite a good Live CD it allows you to save your info on a usb pen drive and has a very easy installer.
[01:15] <JDigital> what's the program to edit XF86Config-4 again
[01:16] <LinuxJones> JDigital, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:17] <JDigital> thanks
[01:17] <dimgr> how do i search for a package in ubuntu? apt-cache search doenst work
[01:18] <AndyR> popey, having fun?
[01:18] <LinuxJones> dimgr, sure it does did you jsut do an install ?
[01:18] <popey> :)
[01:18] <popey> bit busy at the moment figuring out where our wiki spammer comes from
[01:18] <AndyR> sussed it mate?
[01:18] <dimgr> its not me .... im helping another person who just installed ubuntu and he says it doesnt work:P
[01:18] <popey> yeah, screen works now
[01:18] <AndyR> oh good
[01:20] <LinuxJones> dimgr, you have to enable a ubuntu repository
[01:20] <LinuxJones> dimgr, it's probably only set to read the cdrom
[01:21] <LinuxJones> dimgr, did you do apt-get update ?
[01:22] <billytwowilly> where should I put startup scripts?
[01:23] <Orbo> #gentoo is pretty busy, so I'll ask here, is there any way to map a keyboard volume dial to the master sound volume?
[01:24] <LinuxJones> Orbo, under keyboard shortcuts
[01:25] <CarlK> is there a window manager I can apt-get?
[01:26] <Buff> type: apt-cache search window manager
[01:26] <Buff> it'll be a long list
[01:27] <minimec> Buff: :-)
[01:27] <CarlK> cool - I thought gnome was my only choice without going outside the lines
[01:28] <moquist> i've been impressed by how easy it was for me to switch to ion2.
[01:28] <moquist> i just installed it, restarted GDM, and selected ion2 from the list
[01:29] <moquist> it couldn't have been any easier
[01:30] <Buff> and there, i guess are your instructions for changing to your chosen WM, CarlK
[01:30] <CarlK> P1-233, crappy 1meg vidio - recomendations?
[01:30] <Buff> fluxbox seems to be popular with minimalists
[01:30] <CarlK> not sure I even have twm right now... i started with a server install
[01:30] <CarlK> so I have heard.. so fluxbox it is
[01:31] <meltbanana314> anyone have trouble booting from CDs after installing Ubuntu?
[01:33] <fsc> Buff, fluxbox is good for my old thinkpad 166 - 80 meg that lives under the bed
[01:33] <FR500> hello
[01:33] <meltbanana314> I set up my BIOS to boot from CD (Slack 10.1) but GRUB automatically loads into Ubuntu instead
[01:33] <Zitter> hi someone can tell me wich driver I have to load for my via ethernet controller VT6102? TIA
[01:33] <FR500> can anyone help, i recompiled kernel for suspend to disk support, now my wifi is broken
[01:34] <Buff> i used to use pwm, similarly light on an old 166, but i think that's fused with ion now
[01:34] <fsc> FR500, are you using ndiswrapper?
[01:34] <FR500> fsc: "stock" ubuntu
[01:34] <FR500> so i guess yes
[01:35] <fsc> FR500, ndiswrapper wouldn't be "stock"
[01:35] <FR500> mmm
[01:35] <FR500> i didnt have to do athing to make it work
[01:35] <pauldaoust> now this is curious: has anyone encountered this problem? Whenever I have Firefox running, and click my Firefox icon in the panel, it does that stupid 'open another profile' thingy.
[01:35] <Zitter> ok found
[01:35] <fsc> FR500, stock would be a driver that is in the kernel proper
[01:35] <FR500> oh
[01:35] <FR500> then thats it
[01:35] <pauldaoust> I've had that problem a lot, and i know I can delete the 'lock' file in my ~/.mozilla/firefox/default directory... but even that's not working anymore.
[01:36] <FR500> there are no linux drivers for my wifi card, still worked out of the box
[01:36] <FR500> now it doesnt work
[01:37] <pauldaoust> sooooo... nobody with this problem?
[01:37] <fsc> FR500, hmm.. I don't know how ndiswrapper could work out of the box because you need the windows *.inf and *.sys driver binaries
[01:37] <moquist> pauldaoust: I don't use Gnome, so I don't click on anything.  Sorry.  :|
[01:37] <FR500> u didnt get me, i don't know how is that it works
[01:37] <pauldaoust> moquist: serious?
[01:37] <pauldaoust> wow
[01:37] <pauldaoust> what do you do then?
[01:37] <moquist> pauldaoust: ion2.  I type "firefox" in a terminal and away I go.  :)
[01:37] <pauldaoust> are you a true-blue command-line junkie?
[01:38] <FR500> it just used to work, always wored out of the box
[01:38] <FR500> *worked
[01:38] <moquist> pauldaoust: yep.
[01:38] <fsc> pauldaoust, gnome isn't the only window manager out there
[01:38] <moquist> pauldaoust: WRT your problem, though, I think it's a rather terrible usability problem that FF needs to fix.
[01:38] <FR500> fsc: any clues?
[01:38] <pauldaoust> fsc: yes, I know that, but...
[01:39] <pauldaoust> moquist: hear hear. I don't know why this would be such a headache...
[01:39] <fsc> FR500, you say that there are no linux drivers for your wireless, but that it worked out of the box, so i don't know what your problem is
[01:39] <moquist> pauldaoust: asking the user about that sort of profile junk is a tremendous bother, as you've found.  (*especially* on Linux, where each user has his/her own home directory with his/her own FF profile, etc.)
[01:39] <pauldaoust> fsc: I'm curious though... if one doesn't use GNOME, what are they doing in an Ubuntu channel? ;)
[01:39] <FR500> i recompiled my kernel and now it's broke
[01:39] <pauldaoust> moquist: too true
[01:39] <FR500> i added suspend to disk support and it broke
[01:39] <fsc> pauldaoust, you don't have to run gnome to run ubuntu.  i was thinking about trying out E17 cvs for the helluva it
[01:40] <pauldaoust> wait... come to think of it, I have a headless Ubuntu machine myself :) no GNOME, no X11, nothing like that :)
[01:40] <fsc> pauldaoust, but you should know that
[01:40] <pauldaoust> well don't I feel silly
[01:40] <moquist> pauldaoust: as far as I understand it moz and ff try to do some magic to re-use their already-running sessions if any are found.  perhaps you have some hung/zombie/runaway FF processes hanging around?
[01:40] <al3x> morning, all... :)
[01:40] <moquist> pauldaoust: you comfortable on the command line?
[01:40] <pauldaoust> moquist: perhaps... hm, let me check
[01:41] <pauldaoust> moquist: oh yeah, like I said, I have a no-X Ubuntu machine in the other room
[01:41] <pauldaoust> so yep, I'm comfy with the command line :)
[01:41] <fsc> FR500, ok..hold on
[01:41] <moquist> pauldaoust: k.  That'll make this easier.  :)
[01:41] <FR500> thank you
[01:41] <pauldaoust> okay, I have a copy of firefox running with a very low PID; I'll try killing that and seeing what happens.
[01:42] <fsc> FR500, did you copy your config file over from /boot to /usr/src/linux before you compiled.  is this is a stock kernel or an ubuntu kernel?
[01:42] <FR500> hmm i'm a noob, i just this this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto/view?searchterm=laptop
[01:43] <fsc> FR500, why did you recomple your kernel...for suspendhowto?
[01:43] <fsc> newbs shouldn't be recompiling kernels
[01:43] <pauldaoust> moquist: ha, that's exactly what it was
[01:43] <FR500> i recompiled to enable hibernation
[01:43] <pauldaoust> I killed the mystery process and now it's working fine ^_^ sometimes it's the simplest things... I guess I'd been typing 'killall firefox' instead of 'killall firefox-bin'
[01:43] <moquist> pauldaoust: cool.  glad I could help even though I don't use Gnome.  ;)
[01:44] <FR500> i just checked the configfile and it has wifi enabled, i'm confused
[01:44] <moquist> pauldaoust: I've done the same thing.
[01:44] <qlo-xael> Hello peoples, I just compiled a kernel (the 'make' part) but i'm not sure how to go about installing the new kernel
[01:44] <fsc> go back to your old kernel and do some research on the forums.  copy your /boot config over to /usr/src/linux if you hadn't done that
[01:44] <pauldaoust> cool. thanks so much for your help, moquist.
[01:44] <qlo-xael> I have ubuntu 4.10 with grub
[01:44] <moquist> np.
[01:44] <Slask3n> hi =)
[01:44] <pauldaoust> (sometimes you need a third party to offer a suggestion and help ya along)
[01:44] <FR500> ok, thank you
[01:45] <fsc> qlo-xael, make install
[01:45] <pauldaoust> adios folks!
[01:45] <qlo-xael> mainly i'm concerned with how to install it with grub, the README files only deal with lilo
[01:45] <qlo-xael> fsc that will work with grub?
[01:45] <FR500> this file? config-2.6.8.1-3-386
[01:45] <qlo-xael> fsc provided i modify /boot/grub/menu.lst of course
[01:45] <fsc> qlo-xael, edit grub or maybe do the kernel the "debian" way. i've never recompiled an ubuntu kernel
[01:45] <Slask3n> how can i connect my tv and get picture like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found...
[01:45] <qlo-xael> how is the debian way?
[01:46] <fsc> qlo-xael, they've got their own process for building and installing kernels
[01:47] <qlo-xael> hmm
[01:47] <fsc> qlo-xael, but just editing grub should be fine if you've already done everything else
[01:48] <qlo-xael> ok lets try
[01:48] <FR500> fsc: config-2.6.8.1-3-386 this file?
[01:49] <Slask3n> how can i get picture like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found...
[01:51] <Slask3n> nobody that knows??
[01:52] <Slask3n> how can i get picture on my TV like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found...
[01:52] <qlo-xael> while i'm configuring grub in menu.lst, where exactly would i put the framebuffer console argument? (vga=788)
[01:52] <qlo-xael> it doesnt seem to make a difference where i put it
[01:52] <LinuxJones> Slask3n, you need nvtv I think do a search on google
[01:52] <Slask3n> ok, ill try :)
[01:53] <LinuxJones> Slask3n, that's your computer on your TV right ?
[01:58] <moquist> qlo-xael: you should just be able to list it as a grub parameter (e.g.: http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-3523.html )
[02:01] <qlo-xael> thanks moquist
[02:01] <moquist> qlo-xael: np; hope you get it working
[02:02] <tritium> Slask3n, you need to enable TwinView
[02:02] <tritium> Slask3n, read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/, particularly README.gz
[02:03] <tritium> Slask3n, LinuxJones nvtv doesn't work with the nvidia driver, only with nv
[02:03] <mike998> *sigh* couldn't get my wireless working last night
[02:03] <Dreamer3> trying to use elinks and getting ERROR at interlink.c:444: connect() failed: 13 (Permission denied)
[02:03] <Dreamer3> what's up with that?
[02:03] <Dreamer3> it works when i run it as root... but... ya know?
[02:04] <Slask3n> tritium: thnx, ill try it :)
[02:05] <ron_> ok
[02:06] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:06] <tritium> Slask3n, okay
[02:06] <tritium> Slask3n, you're on Hoary or Warty?
[02:06] <Slask3n> warty
[02:06] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:06] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:06] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:06] <tritium> It'll require modifying your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:07] <ron_> i want two computers to talk
[02:07] <ron_> and share files
[02:07] <ron_> how?
[02:07] <FR500> hi again
[02:07] <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu
[02:07] <Vjaz> ron_, quit repeating your question for starters
[02:07] <Slask3n> tritium: ok, but ill look into the readme first
[02:07] <ron_> i want to use a network printer how do i do this?
[02:07] <FR500> i want to recompile my kernel with only one difference on what it is now, only one additional option
[02:08] <tritium> Slask3n, yes, it'll explain all that.
[02:08] <FR500> how can i do that?
[02:08] <Vjaz> ron_, On the top of your screen you have "Computer" (I think, I'm using Ubuntu in Finnish).
[02:08] <Vjaz> ron_, From that menu, select System Settings, and from that submenu Network Settings
[02:09] <TOP1yuiop> will ubuntu work on an amd k6 machine?
[02:09] <ron_> ok
[02:09] <Vjaz> ron_, if you're using a local network and don't want to setup DHCP, you'll use that configuration application, select your network card, then "Properties" and switch it to manual configuration.
[02:09] <hawke> TOP1yuiop: Should.
[02:09] <TOP1yuiop> kool thnx
[02:09] <bob2> FR500: what option?
[02:10] <FR500> software suspend
[02:10] <bob2> that's included in hoary kernels already
[02:10] <Vjaz> ron_, Then set your ip to 192.168.0.1 or something, and 192.168.0.2 for the other computer. (Examples, but you should start it with 192.168 in any case)
[02:10] <ron_> ok i already have the internet
[02:10] <FR500> i use warty
[02:10] <ron_> it is automatic
[02:10] <ron_> so your saying set up a new
[02:11] <ron_> connection?
[02:11] <FR500> so i should update kernel?
[02:11] <Vjaz> ron_, Hm... you probably don't want to do that unless you have two network cards.
[02:11] <bob2> FR500: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[02:11] <Vjaz> ron_, How are your computers connected?
[02:11] <ron_> they
[02:11] <ron_> are through
[02:11] <ron_> a router
[02:11] <ron_> cable into router then
[02:11] <ron_> they both go into the router
[02:12] <Vjaz> Hm... do you mean a hub?
[02:12] <ron_> i want them to be able to share files
[02:12] <ron_> yes
[02:12] <ron_> a hub
[02:12] <ron_> 4 outputs on the hub
[02:12] <ron_> im using two
[02:12] <ron_> redhat used samba
[02:13] <ron_> i think
[02:13] <ron_> bu tubuntu doesnt have samba
[02:13] <Vjaz> Yes, that's what you want to use...
[02:13] <ron_> anyway it should be easier than using samba
[02:13] <Slask3n> tritium: sorry, but i didt really understand that :s i read the appendix J...
[02:13] <FR500> bob2: what do they mean with eating hdds?
[02:13] <Vjaz> You will need to use Samba if you need "Windows Shares".
[02:13] <ron_> no
[02:13] <ron_> i dont need window shares
[02:13] <tritium> Slask3n, read the TwinView section as well
[02:13] <ron_> i have two ubuntu computers
[02:13] <linuxn00b> Hi, i'm don't understand this line  your_system_username = "your network username" (ubuntuguide) do I enter my current username and my hostname? so it would look like xquizit = faith ??
[02:13] <ron_> i want to avoid samba
[02:14] <ron_> and go directly
[02:14] <Slask3n> ok :)
[02:14] <ron_> to the other computer
[02:14] <Vjaz> Uh...
[02:14] <shade_eating> okay guys i need help
[02:14] <Vjaz> You'll need some server anyways.
[02:14] <ron_> ok what server
[02:14] <ron_> even telnet
[02:14] <Vjaz> Well a Samba server for example. :-P
[02:14] <shade_eating> how do i make the following command valid for the mp3 directory and EVERY other directory within it?
[02:14] <ron_> i can use because it is a private network
[02:14] <shade_eating> sudo chown cryan:cryan /home/cryan/mp3
[02:14] <Vjaz> Hm...
[02:14] <ron_> how do i do this as easy as possible
[02:14] <thoreauputic> ron_: don't use telnet - use ssh or nfs
[02:14] <Vjaz> I thought there was an easy way to configure Samba shares in Ubuntu, but I think that's in Hoary.
[02:15] <Vjaz> Weird.
[02:15] <Vjaz> ron_, By the way, have you searched the forums?
[02:15] <ron_> i dont care which i use just the easiest as possible
[02:15] <thoreauputic> shade_eating: chown -R cryan:cryan mp3
[02:15] <thoreauputic> or /home/cryan/mp3
[02:16] <thoreauputic> -R fro recursive
[02:16] <thoreauputic> *for
[02:16] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: got it?
[02:17] <shadeofgrey> yeah
[02:17] <shadeofgrey> think so
[02:17] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you may need to sudo
[02:17] <ron_> ok how do i use ssh
[02:17] <thoreauputic> sudo chown -R
[02:17] <ron_> ssh
[02:17] <shadeofgrey> illegal operation
[02:18] <ron_> ssh -i
[02:18] <thoreauputic> ron_: you'll need the ssh server - sudo apt-get install ssh should do it
[02:18] <ron_> i think its on there
[02:18] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: ?
[02:18] <kapputu> hi thoreauputic
[02:18] <hawke> thoreauputic/ron_: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[02:19] <thoreauputic> hawke_, not necessary - ssh depends on the other packages
[02:19] <thoreauputic> hawke it pulls them in
[02:19] <hawke> thoreauputic: I know
[02:19] <hawke> thoreauputic: But if one needs the server specifically...
[02:19] <thoreauputic> kapputu: hi
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> sudo doesnt like the -r switch
[02:19] <thoreauputic> capital R
[02:19] <thoreauputic> -R
[02:20] <ron_> its loading brb
[02:20] <shadeofgrey> nope
[02:20] <ron_> let me do this on the other computer too
[02:20] <thoreauputic> sudo chown  -R user:user
[02:20] <shadeofgrey> same error
[02:20] <shadeofgrey> i dont understand.  its telling me i cant view the files because im not root?
[02:21] <shadeofgrey> and im trying to give myself permission?
[02:21] <Slask3n> tritium: im really sorry, im pretty n00b and i cant see how it makes sense... can you please explain a bit more?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I just ran that command on a directory here and it works fine
[02:21] <jimcooncat> would like to play with rsnapshot, it's not in my repositories but has a .deb available. How do I install this?
[02:22] <FR500> while i wait for the new kernel to download, how can i make the ubuntu grub loader look nicer, with a backdrop like fc3 or something
[02:22] <shadeofgrey> thore:  i understand.  im just saying that mine doesnt like the -r as a lower or uppercvase letter
[02:22] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: are you sure you got it exactly right?  sudo chown -R cryan:cryan mp3 or whatever
[02:23] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that I don't understand. It should work AFAIK... :(
[02:23] <ron_> it says its already on this computer
[02:23] <ron_> ....................
[02:23] <ron_> ....................
[02:23] <ron_> it says its already on this computer
[02:23] <ron_> ....................
[02:23] <shadeofgrey> okay let me try again
[02:23] <ron_> ssh ie
[02:23] <wasabi> Can one launch the debian installer from the ubuntu cd?
[02:24] <ron_> how do i run ssh
[02:24] <thoreauputic> ron_: so try to ssh to the other one : ssh 192.168.*.* or whatever
[02:24] <ron_> they have the same ip address
[02:24] <dopp0> hello, I'm having problems upgrading to hoary. it's breaking apt-get with the package libgtksourceview-common_1.1.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[02:24] <bob2> ron_: please try to be a bit less obnoxious...
[02:24] <ron_> 192.168.0.1
[02:25] <shadeofgrey> success!
[02:25] <dopp0> can someone support me out with that?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> ron_: well, your network isn't going to work if the boxes all have the same IP
[02:25] <thoreauputic> is it?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yay!
[02:26] <Vjaz> ron_, Is the network configured via DHCP or is it manual?
[02:26] <ron_> they automatically loaded that ip
[02:26] <ron_> dhcp
[02:26] <ron_> not manual
[02:26] <Vjaz> That's weird.
[02:26] <Vjaz> are you sure the ip is the same? Where are you checking it?
[02:26] <dopp0> anyone? dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-common_1.1.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:26] <dopp0>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-cil
[02:26] <dopp0> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[02:26] <ron_> not 100 percent
[02:26] <ron_> let me check
[02:26] <bob2> dopp0: that's a bug in one of those packages
[02:27] <tritium> Slask3n, I have work to do at the momemt, so I can't really explain it any better than the documentation.  I can send you my config as an example, though.
[02:27] <bob2> dopp0: presumably it will be fixed soon
[02:27] <Slask3n> sure, thanks :)
[02:27] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you can access your mp3 files now?
[02:27] <dopp0> bob2: but how can I supass it so I can finish doin' my dist-upgrade?
[02:28] <shadeofgrey> jesus christ!  now it says i have no decoder to read mp3 files
[02:28] <bob2> you can't
[02:28] <Vjaz> Hm... I wonder if it actually *is* possible for two computers behind a router and a hub to work with the same ip if they don't run any servers...
[02:28] <dopp0> I can't? :-(
[02:28] <shadeofgrey> this is exactly why i hate linux
[02:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: please read the FAQ or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:28] <shadeofgrey> EVERYTHING is hard
[02:28] <holycow> Vjaz, its not on the same network
[02:28] <bob2> dopp0: you have to wait
[02:28] <bob2> shadeofgrey: no, it's really not
[02:28] <bob2> please chill out
[02:28] <Slask3n> tritium: that would be nice, i understand you need to work... but maybe i understand it better tomorrow... its 02:28 AM now so i soon go to bed, and maybe it makes sense tomorrow :)
[02:28] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: do you have univers enabled? if so sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:28] <jimcooncat> can I use a local directory as a repository?
[02:29] <holycow> you could litterrally two identical networks and have them go through a proxy of some kind but ...
[02:29] <bob2> jimcooncat: not simply
[02:29] <ron__> ok im on the other computer now
[02:29] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: it gets easier
[02:29] <jimcooncat> Trying to install a .deb
[02:29] <bob2> dopp0: please don't /msg people unless they ask you to
[02:29] <holycow> infact thats what most home networks are, identical subnets (linksys, netgear default settings) behind isp proxies
[02:29] <FR500> you can't have equale netwroks unless u are behind a NAT router
[02:29] <bob2> dopp0: you can fix the bug yourself, or you can wait for someone else to fix it
[02:29] <tritium> Slask3n, here it is: http://www.pastebin.com/243139
[02:29] <bob2> dopp0: if it's reported, it will be in the bug tracking system, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[02:30] <Vjaz> ron__, could you run a terminal and run ifconfig?
[02:30] <FR500> routing wont work that way
[02:30] <Slask3n> tritium: thanks :)
[02:30] <tritium> Slask3n, just keep in mind that it's a config file for X.org, not XFree86, but the TwinView stuff is identical
[02:30] <tritium> You're welcome
[02:30] <ron__> they are the same ip address
[02:30] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: and possibly sudo apt-get install mpg321
[02:30] <FR500> will never work
[02:30] <Slask3n> :)
[02:30] <ron__> ok
[02:30] <TOP1yuiop> what is the minimum ammount of ram for ubuntu?
[02:30] <dopp0> bob2, ok man, I'm not complaining, I just asked where can i track this bug (may be it's not even detected by the team), and if it is... I would loke to see. sorry to bother you anyway...
[02:30] <FR500> ron__ do u have windows?
[02:30] <fsc> still can't totem to play mp3s after the hoary upgrade...
[02:30] <bob2> TOP1yuiop: depends what you want to do
[02:30] <thoreauputic> TOP1yuiop: I believe 128MB is recommended
[02:31] <bob2> fsc: 11:28:29           bob2 | shadeofgrey: please read the FAQ or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:31] <TOP1yuiop> a few small app
[02:31] <holycow> TOP1yuiop, 64 megs is fine if you don't plan or running more than one app at a time
[02:31] <thoreauputic> for gnome anyway
[02:31] <bob2> TOP1yuiop: you'll have trouble installing with less than 48MB
[02:31] <TOP1yuiop> ok
[02:31] <TOP1yuiop> i got 64
[02:31] <holycow> gnome can load in less than 48 mb
[02:31] <bob2> dopp0: erm? and I replied saying where you can see that.
[02:31] <holycow> what bob2 said
[02:31] <TOP1yuiop> thnx
[02:31] <tritium> Slask3n, good luck.  I'm around very often if you have questions.
[02:31] <fsc> bob2, installed gstreamer-mad
[02:31] <thoreauputic> holycow: sure, but it would be kind of.. sluggish
[02:32] <kapputu> hmm should I upgrade to hoary?
[02:32] <shadeofgrey> cant find package
[02:32] <Vjaz> ron__ you'll never get the two computers talking to each other if they have the same IP address. Perhaps you should check your router's settings.
[02:32] <holycow> thoreauputic, you would be surprised how spiffy it is tho
[02:32] <shadeofgrey> ubelievable
[02:32] <fsc> hmm...tought i had installed gstreamer-mad
[02:32] <fsc> maybe not
[02:32] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[02:32] <bob2> fsc: no, gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:32] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you need to read the link I gave you
[02:32] <bob2> not skim, read
[02:33] <kapputu> I'm really tempted to upgrade to hoary
[02:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you need to read the FAQ as bob2 suggested
[02:33] <Slask3n> tritium: thanks for that :) ill be looking for you :P
[02:33] <kapputu> don't know what it'll break
[02:33] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you are doing fine so far - just need to read the stuff
[02:33] <Slask3n> is hoary stable or is it a beta now? i know its nt beeing published before april..
[02:33] <bob2> Slask3n: it's the unstable branch of ubuntu
[02:33] <fsc> no, i do have have gstreamer-mad-0.8.7.1 installed
[02:34] <Slask3n> ok
[02:34] <bob2> fsc: er
[02:34] <kapputu> how unstable is it?
[02:34] <bob2> fsc: the name of the package you want is gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:34] <fsc> bob2, yes. i have that installed
[02:35] <Slask3n> will it be easier to upgrade to the newest software in hoary? i know in warty its almost impossible to upgrade many apps like firefox and gaim to the newest version in an easy way
[02:35] <bob2> I'm not sure why that confuses people so much
[02:35] <bob2> warty is frozen
[02:35] <bob2> it doesn't get nmew software
[02:35] <bob2> that's what "frozen" means
[02:36] <bob2> hoary will freeze in april
[02:36] <bob2> then it won't get new software either
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> Slask3n: hoary will come out with the latest software
[02:36] <Slask3n> will hoary be frozen when it gets released?
[02:36] <kapputu> unless u get stuff from debian repo?
[02:36] <bob2> kapputu: bah
[02:36] <bob2> you can install packages out of your belly button if you want
[02:36] <bob2> but that defeats the point
[02:36] <qlo-xael> so, I just compiled and installed my kernel, but the very first few modules loaded failed, i suspect it has something to do with the fact I commented out the line dealing with the initrd
[02:36] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:36] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: for firefox 1.0 you can install the binary from mozilla.org - it will work fine
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> i found the package manager
[02:37] <qlo-xael> but i dont know how to create a new initrd for 2.6.10
[02:37] <kapputu> so what's the point in working with software that's 10 years old?
[02:37] <bob2> kapputu: come on
[02:37] <qlo-xael> can anyone help?
[02:37] <bob2> please stop being utterly insane
[02:37] <bob2> it's a 6 month release cycle
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> it wont accept any new addresses
[02:37] <bob2> at worst software is 6 months away from the latest release
[02:37] <Slask3n> thoreauputic: yes, but youll need to make a fresh install but cant "upgrade" the old installation...
[02:37] <bob2> qlo-xael: why do you want to build a new kernel?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: find repositories and enable  universe (it's a check box0
[02:38] <qlo-xael> lots of reasons, my new kernel works, i just havent installed it correctly
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: not elegant I know, but it works here
[02:38] <bob2> qlo-xael: no, that's not the problem
[02:38] <ompaul> Slask3n, you develop something - you change it - you freeze and release it you then _only_ fix bugs that need attention (not all bugs do :-)) you then move on to the next cycle where this  thought started
[02:38] <bob2> qlo-xael: what's missing from the official 2.6.10 ones?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: and if you install in /usr/local/bin or /home/user it won't break anything
[02:38] <kapputu> bob2: be realistic
[02:39] <Slask3n> but if im not too wrong, ubuntu will release every 6 months right? then with the newest software... but then its getting frozen?? software developes very much in 6 months...
[02:39] <qlo-xael> bob2: i dont understand
[02:39] <bob2> qlo-xael: why do you want to build a new kernel at all?
[02:39] <bob2> kapputu: I am, you're the one being hyperbolic
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: that's what the development branch is for
[02:39] <bob2> kapputu: 6 months is not very long and no where near " 10 years"
[02:39] <qlo-xael> to add support for my devices that aren't working correctly
[02:39] <bob2> qlo-xael: which ones?
[02:40] <qlo-xael> specifically wireless, frambuffer etc etc
[02:40] <fsc> so is there a conflict between esd and alsa?
[02:40] <Slask3n> but will it be able to upgrade the software on hoary or will that be frozen too after release?
[02:40] <bob2> qlo-xael: which wireless driver doesn't work?
[02:40] <bob2> fsc: no, theyre different things
[02:40] <kapputu> 10 years is an exaggeration but it probably is in OS time or whatever u call it
[02:40] <bob2> Slask3n: you can install whatever you want
[02:40] <bob2> Slask3n: but hoary itself will freeze
[02:40] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: there will be a new dev release
[02:40] <bob2> Slask3n: can you really not wait at most 6 months for some new random version?
[02:40] <bob2> kapputu: 6 months release cycle.
[02:41] <fsc> bob2, so can totem use esd then?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: what is it that is so important it can't wait 6 months?
[02:41] <bob2> yes
[02:41] <Benbis> If anyone has time, I have an installation problem.
[02:41] <kapputu> somehow ubuntu appeals a lot to me though
[02:41] <kapputu> this is one distro I have been sticking to for a long time
[02:41] <Benbis> And being a total utter newbie, I have no clue where to go from here.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Benbis: just ask
[02:42] <bob2> Benbis: it's best to just ask
[02:42] <Benbis> I have the shipit CD
[02:42] <Slask3n> it just seems a little bit weird for me.. it reminds me a little of M$ IE, never gets upgraded more than an absolutely minimum
[02:42] <holycow> kapputu,  i've been on debian for a year and a half
[02:42] <bob2> Slask3n: dude
[02:42] <holycow> i ain't movin either :) its a good corner of the os world to be in
[02:42] <qlo-xael> bob2: its a long story, i need wlan-ng drivers to use my wireless device, but i need kernel source files to use the drivers
[02:42] <Benbis> It starts off ok, but is unable to mount CD
[02:42] <kapputu> I don't like Fedora half as much now
[02:42] <bob2> Slask3n: it gets completely updated every 6 months
[02:42] <shadeofgrey> okay i opened the repository list all i see is "CD Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary (Binary)"
[02:42] <bob2> qlo-xael: no, you don't
[02:42] <ompaul> slask3n you can adapt the release any way you like (open source) however peeps who support a release only support that release as configured (there is not the time or energy to look after each and every individual [unless you hire a sys admin  for yourself]  but if you want the ubuntu world you stick to what it releases if you want debian unstable this is not the right channel
[02:42] <shadeofgrey> how do i enable universe ?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Slask3n: if you'd been here any length of time, you'd realise hoary is constantly changing
[02:42] <kapputu> though I would like to get a snappy looking KDE distro on my desktop
[02:42] <bob2> qlo-xael: you need the kernel headers, not the source
[02:43] <kapputu> but I'm not changing Ubuntu on my laptop
[02:43] <fsc> Slask3n, if you want to be on the bleeding edge then when 11.04 comes to the repositories you just switch to that
[02:43] <shadeofgrey> the learning curve for linux is steep compared to windows
[02:43] <CarlK> what is the lightest WM that has icons to launch apps?
[02:43] <kapputu> shadeofgrey: that depends
[02:43] <holycow> shadeofgrey,  not really
[02:43] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, how so?
[02:43] <qlo-xael> bob2: i appreciate where you are trying to take me with this, but the kernel is already compiled and installed, i just havent created a ramdisk init and thats what i need to know how to do
[02:43] <holycow> windows users expect linux to work like windows, thats the real problem
[02:43] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: because you haven't read the wiki or the FAQ, have you?
[02:43] <kapputu> also once you get an idea of the system, you can practically do anything
[02:44] <holycow> also windows users have 15 years of training on windows
[02:44] <kapputu> with Windows your IQ drops
[02:44] <bob2> qlo-xael: creating an initrd is annoying and unnessecary.  if you insist on building your own kernel, compile the basic stuff into it so you don't need an initrd at all
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> no, your right i havent
[02:44] <holycow> most are just now trying linux and expecting that 15 years of training can be replaced in one day
[02:44] <Benbis> Well, I had some ms-dos training before too :)
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> but its HARD to read really complicated stuff with NO TUNES
[02:44] <CarlK> I plan on hooking up a touch screen so that I don't have to use the moose and keyboard, and the hope is to have a big icon that you can stick your thumb on
[02:44] <ompaul>  Benbis ohh come on CP/M
[02:44] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: this is open source - you read you learn and then you contribute
[02:45] <Ex-Cyber> I think the main thing is that less-experienced Windows users tend to have someone physically at hand at some point that they can bug to fix their problems for them
[02:45] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that's how it works
[02:45] <Benbis> But that still doesn't give me a clue why I get an unable to mount cd message
[02:45] <holycow> what thoreauputic said, don't expect marketing or someone kissing your ass and handholding
[02:45] <qlo-xael> bob2: thats what i thought i did but for some reason when it looks for things like psmouse and lp at the beginning of the boot screen, it fails
[02:45] <bob2> qlo-xael: the --initrd option to make-kpkg for what you want
[02:45] <bob2> qlo-xael: that's not a fatal error
[02:45] <bob2> Benbis: the live cd?
[02:45] <Benbis> No, the install cd
[02:45] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might recall we spent *some* time helping you a while ago
[02:45] <shadeofgrey> look.  its 2005 -- if an operating system cant handle .mp3 files straight out of the gate that operating system is doomed to reside in places like this
[02:46] <qlo-xael> bob2: no its not fatal, but i can't use my mouse for example, no X
[02:46] <holycow> actually no
[02:46] <bob2> shadeofgrey: well, we're sorry to see you go
[02:46] <holycow> you don't understand the issues behind .mp3
[02:46] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you might want to one day actually look into why this is the case, tho
[02:46] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: complain to the companies that made the formats unfree
[02:46] <holycow> mp3 is a patented codec
[02:46] <Benbis> I said I was a newbie, not that I was totally dense :)
[02:46] <bob2> qlo-xael: then you need to load the modules yourself later
[02:46] <holycow> you cannot legally sell a player for it wiithout paying royalties to the mp3 consortium
[02:46] <Buff> shadeofgrey: thats a legal problem. the codec is patented
[02:46] <bob2> holycow: no
[02:46] <qlo-xael> bob2: so from /usr/src/linux, make make-kpkg --initrd  ??
[02:46] <holycow> you also cannot give an mp3 player away for free
[02:46] <bob2> holycow: you can't distribute it, either
[02:46] <bob2> qlo-xael: no
[02:46] <bob2> qlo-xael: you need more options than that
[02:46] <holycow> like i said
[02:46] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: frankly, you are now coming across as ignorant and uninformed
[02:47] <bob2> qlo-xael: and a working .config
[02:47] <shadeofgrey> then how is winamp free?
[02:47] <qlo-xael> i have a working config
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: they have paid
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> and organised a license
[02:47] <holycow> right
[02:47] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: free as in free speeh - not gratis
[02:47] <shadeofgrey> with what?  their player is free!
[02:47] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, you could of course buy up all the companies that own the mp3 stuff and force them to release it for free or you could say to hell with that and get with the progam - ogg or some such
[02:47] <qlo-xael> bob2: or by these errors, do i not have a working config?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> no it's "unfree"
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: I don't know if you've noticed, but AOL own winamp
[02:47] <holycow> shadeofgrey, they are owned by aol
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: and AOL have lots of money
[02:48] <holycow> aol is a 100 billion dollar company
[02:48] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:48] <bob2> chill a bit, folks
[02:48] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: go and read richard stallman's web site and debian.org
[02:48] <bob2> qlo-xael: I don't know, I can't see your errors
[02:48] <holycow> you need a licence from the mp3 consortium to even give away an mp3 player
[02:48] <Benbis> Okies, from the Ubuntu site, it gives this channel as a support one, is there another?
[02:48] <bob2> qlo-xael: but this is why I was hinting that buliding your own kernel is a bad idea...
[02:48] <bob2> Benbis: ask on the mailing list
[02:48] <bob2> Benbis: if it's a new machine, it's probably an apic issue
[02:49] <holycow> shadeofgrey, also linux is not 'competing'
[02:49] <shadeofgrey> exactly
[02:49] <qlo-xael> bob2: is there a way to pause the bootup?
[02:49] <shadeofgrey> THATS the problem
[02:49] <holycow> frankly at the end of the day no one gives a crap if a windows user switches
[02:49] <Benbis> It's a P4 if that's what you mean
[02:49] <holycow> acutally its not
[02:49] <holycow> its YOUR problem
[02:49] <bob2> qlo-xael: scroll lock.
[02:49] <bob2> holycow: stop it
[02:49] <holycow> we don't give a shit
[02:49] <Slask3n> isa it possible to add hoary repoitorys in warty without fucking the system completely?
[02:49] <CarlK> shadeofgrey et all - take it to #politics or #religion....
[02:49] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: no one is forcing you to use lInux
[02:49] <qlo-xael> k
[02:49] <holycow> bob2 go fuck your self, you always ban those that make sense and do nothing about those that start it
[02:49] <bob2> Slask3n: that's not a good idea
[02:50] <Slask3n> ok
[02:50] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: but you are ill informed in the extreme
[02:50] <bob2> holycow: now I remind you of the Ubuntu Community Code of Conduct
[02:50] <bob2> and I expect you to follow it from now on
[02:50] <ogra> holycow: please keep it nice
[02:50] <holycow> code of conduct prohibits a discussion?
[02:50] <holycow> or making sense?
[02:50] <holycow> no
[02:50] <holycow> go fuck your self
[02:50] <jimcooncat> oh, where's the humanity in it all????
[02:50] <CarlK> an op!
[02:51] <drasko> I've got a neewbie question... I'm trying to set apache server and I configured virtual host and everything and made index.htm in appropriate directory.  If I wnat to test this site, what is the virtual address in httpd.conf?
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> thor:  most definately i am.  im just saying - as a casual user - ubuntu and the other flavors of linux are incredibly newbie unfriendly
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: unfortunately with respect to mp3
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> there is nothing at all that can be done
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> well then
[02:51] <bob2> shadeofgrey: if you can think of things to improve it, we'd love to hear about it
[02:52] <bob2> unfortunately the world's patent system makes it very hard to do some things
[02:52] <shadeofgrey> i understand
[02:52] <bob2> but it is easy to get around
[02:52] <bob2> as that wiki page explained
[02:52] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, stand back from that comment for a minute. My wife has her first computer - she has been using that other stuff for years - I installed ubuntu for her and she loves it so much that she is thinking that maybe her fathers first pc should have it too, and he only has like 4 weeks of class room experiance
[02:52] <shadeofgrey> look - im using this system because i write books for a living and i need a more secure way of storing my manuscripts while they're under development
[02:53] <Buff> well it can do that fine
[02:53] <Buff> i'm sorry it doesn't play mp3s
[02:54] <drasko> anyone?...
[02:54] <fsc> so i have gstreamer-0.8mad installed so that's not the problem
[02:54] <Benbis> ompaul: as a newbie who has asked questions around for a few weeks, and even ordered the Ubuntu CD because I was told I probably wasn't burning it right, I don't think user friendly comes to mind
[02:54] <fsc> Buff, here. hold on. let me give you a link
[02:54] <bob2> fsc: ok, that's not the package name
[02:54] <fsc> bob2, i've got the package regardless of my typo
[02:54] <bob2> great!
[02:54] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: remember that what  you were doing a while ago is not typical for a newbie - but with some help you did it - that's how open source works
[02:54] <Buff> fsc: oh i know it can with the extra packages installed if thats what you meant
[02:55] <ompaul> Benbis, I find that interesting, how do you figure you have progressed?
[02:55] <fsc> Buff, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=alsa%20esd
[02:55] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you can't really complain when volunteers are producing this for you, can you?
[02:55] <hikaru79> Can anyone tell me how to format a USB flash drive as a FAT32 volume?
[02:55] <shadeofgrey> well.. i mean icouldnt have done it without you guys, im not afraid to admit i know nothing about linux
[02:55] <bob2> thoreauputic: I think you made your point already
[02:55] <Benbis> I haven't. And I asked again this evening in here, and still do not have an answer, nor an inkling where to find one.
[02:55] <bob2> hikaru79: sudo mkfs -t vfat /dev/fd0
[02:56] <hikaru79> Thank you, bob2 =)
[02:56] <bob2> Benbis: as I said, ask on the mailing list
[02:56] <thoreauputic> bob2: sorry, I'm just annoyed - I'll take a deep breath
[02:56] <bob2> Benbis: long complicated questions don't work very well on IRC
[02:56] <ompaul> Benbis, find what?
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Hello
[02:56] <DaSkreech> What are the zlibs called in Ubuntu?
[02:56] <Benbis> I didn't think asking 'Any idea why I get a can't mount CD-ROM' was a long question...
[02:56] <shadeofgrey> why dont i ask a better question.. does ubuntu ship and install with good .ogg format support?
[02:57] <bob2> DaSkreech: same as on Debian, zlib0g
[02:57] <bob2> Benbis: it's not, but debugging it is
[02:57] <hikaru79> bob2, it tells me:
[02:57] <bob2> shadeofgrey: yes!
[02:57] <hikaru79> mkfs.vfat: /dev/sda1 contains a mounted file system.
[02:57] <bob2> hikaru79: you have to umount it first
[02:57] <hikaru79> Ooh
[02:57] <hikaru79> I knew that :$
[02:57] <bob2> hikaru79: 'sudo umount /dev/sda1'
[02:57] <DaSkreech> apt-get install should be able to install them correct?
[02:57] <tidalwav1> Hi again, people, just upgraded to Hoary, and I don't like the new cursors at all...I downloaded Pinux's Tux Cursors but have no idea how to install 'em.
[02:57] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yes, i think you'll find it so
[02:57] <DaSkreech> I'm not having much sucess
[02:57] <hikaru79> Oh, thanks
[02:57] <ompaul> benbis, you want to mount a CD-ROM, can you tell me what you expect to find on that cdrom?
[02:57] <hikaru79> Is it normal for the whole thing to only take about 2 seconds?
[02:58] <bob2> DaSkreech: do you mean "How do I compile a piece of software that requires zlib?"?
[02:58] <ompaul> benbis, music / data ?
[02:58] <shadeofgrey> okay.  whats the easiest fastest way to convert 67 gigs of mp3s to .ogg?
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Well ... ok Yes
[02:58] <bob2> shadeofgrey: not bother
[02:58] <tidalwav1> any help on installing cursors?
[02:58] <Benbis> ompaul - I have the Ubuntu CD that gets shipped and am trying to install that.
[02:58] <Buff> shadeofgrey: perfect
[02:58] <Vjaz> Could someone confirm a bug in GStreamer/Rhythmbox using Warty? If I play an OGG/Vorbis file and use the slider to rewind it to 00:00 (just drag it to the left over the slider), Rhythmbox crashes.
[02:58] <Benbis> But the install fails as it is unable to mount the cd-rom drive
[02:58] <Buff> oops, was reading further back
[02:58] <bob2> DaSkreech: apt-cache search zlib dev
[02:59] <bob2> (hint: zlib1g-dev)
[02:59] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: heh - sox springs to mind but I think you'd lose quality - I may be wrong on that
[02:59] <bob2> you will lose quality
[02:59] <bob2> it's really not worth it
[02:59] <thully> does anyone know if hoary is going to be released with OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 or 2.0 as default?
[02:59] <Benbis> Was wondering if there was, for example, a way to just copy the CD on the new HD, and run the install from there.
[02:59] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you don't need to you know - I'm playing mp3 streams here for instance
[02:59] <bob2> Benbis: no
[02:59] <DaSkreech> bob2: I was installing clamav from source and it requires zlib. So I tried to apt-get zlib but couldn't find it
[03:00] <shadeofgrey> okay well...  does xxs play mp3s?
[03:00] <bob2> DaSkreech: yes, but I just told you the actual name of the package
[03:00] <DaSkreech> bob2: Thanks
[03:00] <bob2> shadeofgrey: xmms? yes.
[03:00] <DaSkreech> bob2: Right I got it now I think
[03:00] <ompaul> Benbis, it is possible but it would be much easier to try to fix the problem
[03:00] <bob2> thully: it's been discussed on the dev list, I do believe.
[03:00] <ompaul> Benbis, is it on a seperate machine?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you just need to install the right stuff - that's why bob2 pointed you to tose links
[03:00] <thully> well, what decisions have been made?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: and yes, xmms plays mp3 s
[03:01] <Benbis> The new cd you mean?
[03:01] <ompaul> yes
[03:01] <Benbis> er, hd
[03:01] <Benbis> I remove the Windows hd, and put in a brand new formatted hd on which the install is to go
[03:01] <shadeofgrey> is xmms easy toinstall?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> so does rhythmbox, or beep-media-player
[03:01] <ompaul> benbis why?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install xmms
[03:02] <bob2> shadeofgrey: yes
[03:02] <Benbis> Space issues. Just wanted to start fresh
[03:02] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: but read the info bob32 gave on restricted formats
[03:02] <bob2> thoreauputic: rhytmbox requires gstreamer0.8-mad which shadeofgrey is apparently having trouble with
[03:02] <thoreauputic> bbob2
[03:02] <Benbis> figured cleanest install was on a clean hd
[03:02] <tidalwav1> ...so no one can tell me how to install new cursors? :(
[03:02] <bob2> tidalwav1: ask on the user list, I guess
[03:02] <qlo-xael> bob2: the error messages i'm getting when i boot up are: Trying Module psmouse, " " mousedev, " " ide-cd, " " idegeneric, " " module lp.. and then i'm getting vgscan, vgchange LVM driver not loaded? Finally FATAL: Module dm_mod not found. Engine: Unable to open control node for Deivce-Mapper
[03:02] <peloy> okay, this must be a FAQ item somewhere but I can't for the life of me find the user ID I need to use to log into a box booted with a LiveCD. Does anyone know what I need to use?
[03:02] <fsc> he's not the only one having problems
[03:02] <ompaul> benbis fine, okay, the format for windows on a hd is different for Linux :-)
[03:02] <thoreauputic> bob2: he hasn't enabled his sources yet, I think?
[03:03] <shadeofgrey> the gstreamer thing wont load with apt- whatever
[03:03] <fsc> shadeofgrey, apt just installs it
[03:03] <shadeofgrey> so
[03:03] <Vjaz> Anyone with an OGG/Vorbis file and Rhythmbox? Does it crash if you play the OGG and then while playing rewind it to the beginning?
[03:03] <shadeofgrey> well it wont install
[03:04] <Benbis> OK. I suppose there would be something on the live disk to format the hd properly?
[03:04] <shadeofgrey> so i trust if i were to download xmms id use the debian binaries
[03:04] <hawke> Vjaz: Well, mine crashes pretty much randomly.
[03:04] <fsc> shadeofgrey, do this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=alsa%20esd. this fixed it for me
[03:04] <bob2> thoreauputic: I don't know
[03:04] <bob2> shadeofgrey: no
[03:04] <fsc> Buff, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=alsa%20esd fixed it for me with totem
[03:04] <ompaul> Benbis, first thing to do is to check what the disk is that you are trying to install to, so my first question is, is it an ide disk, the second is the disk set to cable select, if so can you please change it to slave
[03:04] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you'd install it from ubuntu, same as you install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:05] <bob2> shadeofgrey: I'm almost certain the problem is that you didn't follow all the steps on the page I gave you, tho
[03:05] <bob2> Vjaz: rhythmbox has lots of bugs, unfortunately
[03:05] <peloy> anyone knows the user ID need to use a LiveCD?
[03:05] <bob2> Benbis: that won't help you install
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: but if universe isn't enabled, you will have problems - I also enabled multiverse
[03:05] <shadeofgrey> okay hold on
[03:06] <Vjaz> hawke, But can you replicate the bug I'm experiencing?
[03:07] <FR500> ok i sorted out everything, now only thing i lack is fn keys support
[03:07] <Vjaz> hawke, It seems like I can repeatedly crash Rhythmbox by doing this.
[03:07] <Vjaz> hawke, I can't crash it doing the same thing with an MP3.
[03:07] <aroman> hello people
[03:07] <Benbis> The disk - if I trust the device manager (I can go look on manufacturer site for better details) is 80 Gig IDE, SATA
[03:07] <ompaul> benbis - your arrangement for sanitys sake should really be ide0 drive one [set to master] - some other operating system, drive two [set to slave]   for ubuntu ide 1 cdrom/dvd set to master - and something set as slave
[03:08] <Vjaz> bob2, It does have a lot of bugs, but it will *continue* to have a lot of bugs if people don't report bugs like this, which is why I want to know if other people experience the same bug.
[03:08] <Vjaz> bob2, I'll need to try this out in the newer version of Rhythmbox though, since this is 0.8.5 from Warty.
[03:08] <Benbis> That is exactly how it is set up now, ompaul
[03:08] <aroman> I just installed ubuntu (had gentoo before) and I am trying to copy files over from a fat32 partition onto my /home/ folder (on a reiserfs partition). The copying process is extremely slow. I checked the drive parameters with hdparm /dev/hda and /dev/hdb and they seem to be running with dma on. Any ideas how to increase my file transfer rate? Thank you.
[03:09] <Vjaz> Luckily I have a dual boot to Hoary so I can try the new version there. ;-P
[03:09] <ompaul> benbis so if you leave all the drives in and you tell the bios to boot from CDROM what happens next?
[03:09] <aroman> ompaul, if you insert a bootable cd, the BIOS will boot from that cd
[03:09] <bob2> aroman: 32-bit transfer might help if your chipset supports it
[03:10] <Benbis> Been 2 weeks since I tried that one. :) Back in 2 min after I try again.
[03:10] <bob2> (ie -c2)
[03:10] <aroman> bob2 do I just do something like... hdparm -c2 /dev/hda and then /dev/hdb?
[03:10] <bob2> if it's safe, yes
[03:10] <shadeofgrey> okay look
[03:10] <ompaul> aroman, that is usual however benbis was complaining that there were issues I want to try to identify exactly what issue is there
[03:10] <shadeofgrey> ive read the stuff you asked meto
[03:11] <shadeofgrey> im on the "how to access the universe repository" page - i followed the directions exactly and nothing happened the way it was suppoosed to
[03:11] <fsc> "supposed to"?
[03:11] <fsc> are you using synaptic?
[03:12] <aroman> bob2, ok... I did a -c2. It still is slow :(
[03:12] <aroman> bob2, would the changes be instant?
[03:12] <bob2> yeah
[03:12] <bob2> no idea then
[03:13] <aroman> :(
[03:14] <aroman> a hdparm -t /dev/hdb shows me:  Timing buffered disk reads:  148 MB in  3.01 seconds =  49.16 MB/sec
[03:14] <aroman> like.. that's fast enough to copy files... :/
[03:15] <bob2> hdparm's benchmarking is useless
[03:15] <bob2> ignore it
[03:15] <aroman> really
[03:15] <aroman> ok
[03:15] <aroman> another question then
[03:15] <aroman> how can I make cp skip the .something directories when copying?
[03:15] <bob2> cp /blah/* /bleh/
[03:16] <Benbis> Same as when I only have the new HD in. Unable to detect common CD-ROM drive.
[03:16] <ompaul> aroman, or you could do cp -R /somepath/whereever/* .
[03:17] <aroman> ompaul, that is what I did.. I also added -v
[03:17] <aroman> it seems to be fast now o_O
[03:17] <aroman> yet under nautilus it was DEAD slow
[03:17] <aroman> hmm
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> arg!
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> i hate being a newbie
[03:17] <aroman> lol... it's ok shadeofgrey
[03:18] <bob2> the first step is to stop using the word "newbie"
[03:18] <ogra> yeah
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> well its hard man.  i know how to do ALL this stuff in windows.  i could be WORKING right now and instead im fighting my computeer over music files
[03:18] <aroman> I'm new to ubuntu... is there a way to increase screen resolution without editing XF86Config-4 (which I'm ok with)?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you're learning a new operating system - I guess that takes a bit of time and effort
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> it took me three days to learn windows
[03:20] <aroman> shadeofgrey, but, then again, I had to reboot windows twice a day...
[03:20] <Benbis> It does get irritating when you can build a computer from scratch just fine, but can't even install an OS...
[03:20] <ompaul> benbis is that the accurate error message - not words like it ?
[03:20] <aroman> shadeofgrey, my gentoo box (this one, before tonight) was up and running like.. 24-7 for weeks
[03:20] <Zotnix> shadeofgrey, oddly enough, you can thank MS and big companies like it for making it hard to get MP3 support on Linux ;)
[03:21] <robertj> Zotnix: no, actually you can thank all your numbscull IRC users for pirating mp3s an a licensed format
[03:21] <Benbis> Yes it is Ompaul. Initially, it says unable to find common CD-Rom drive, then if I continue, trying all the drivers offered to be selected manually, I get the unable to mount message
[03:21] <karlos> aroman: >computer > system configuration > screen res...
[03:21] <shadeofgrey> okay so if i get the debian binarys for xmms they should install right
[03:21] <bob2> shadeofgrey: dude
[03:21] <TongMaster> Anyone know of any problems with warty 686 kernels not automount CD's?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: well, it's a question of whether you want to discover the power of linux, or just use something friendly: I guess a ma would be easier,, but I find os-x is just as hard when you dig a bit deeper
[03:21] <bob2> shadeofgrey: no
[03:21] <aroman> karlos, no, that gives me up to 1024x768.. I want more, and to change the refresh rate
[03:21] <robertj> thoreauputic: haha, I wish it was, it's bad
[03:21] <bob2> shadeofgrey: if you really can't get the instructions on the wiki to work, say so
[03:22] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you need to stop thinking of packages in isolaton
[03:22] <karlos> aroman: aroman , i think you have to set that up during installation
[03:22] <robertj> OS X is Ubuntu's big retarded brother
[03:22] <karlos> or like you say edit the x86 files
[03:22] <Jae_> Heh.
[03:22] <robertj> Although it's got lots of nice points, someone needs to lure the DirectoryService team away
[03:22] <aroman> karlos, I wasn't given the option
[03:23] <Jae_> Quite a greeting.
[03:23] <mxpxpod> is anyone running hoary having a problem with evolution's composer not showing icons on its toolbar buttons?
[03:23] <Jae_> I've got... three... things I want to install, and I was wondering if I could get a bit of help?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> robertj: well, fink and darwin are kind of tricky ;)
[03:23] <karlos> aroman, dunno then..may be your monitor
[03:24] <thoreauputic> robertj: the file system is weird
[03:24] <bob2> Jae_: best to just ask...
[03:24] <robertj> thor: I like it, it's just used very stupidly
[03:24] <robertj> most .files go to live in ~/Library/blah
[03:24] <thoreauputic> robertj: agreed - it's bsd underneath, but it's well hidden
[03:24] <shadeofgrey> bob2:  the info on the wiki is just like every other linux doc attempt.  its not thorough, and makes too many assumptions
[03:24] <robertj> which would be just great if the preference lists in ~/Library/blah defaulted back to /Library/blah
[03:24] <ompaul> benbis what kind of cdrom drive is that?
[03:25] <nix000> anyone tell me wehre i can get the kernel config file in hoary ? i want to compile 2.6.10 in warty
[03:25] <robertj> the bsd part of darwin is one of the biggest problems
[03:25] <shadeofgrey> bob:  i followed its directions exactly and now synaptic doesnt work at ALL
[03:25] <bob2> shadeofgrey: like what?
[03:25] <bob2> gah
[03:25] <bob2> nevermind then
[03:25] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you can rewrite them for us in a few months. as you're a writer :)
[03:25] <robertj> the bsd utils need to go far far away
[03:25] <Benbis> hp dvd-writer dvd300i
[03:25] <Jae_> Alrighty. I didn't know the protocol. Some places prefer you get friendly, first.
[03:25] <robertj> hopefully Tiger will replace them with resource-fork aware versions of utilites
[03:25] <shadeofgrey> i'd be more than happy to rewrite them if one of you linux aces could just provide me with the rigfht steps
[03:25] <karlos> shadeofgrey: try looking on the HOW-TO'S  on the ubuntu forum...i've found them most helpful
[03:26] <bob2> shadeofgrey: paste the contents of the file /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:26] <Benbis> I also tried with a Samsung CD-Master 48e, model SC-148
[03:26] <Jae_> I guess the easiest thing to do is explain my setup. I've got a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 PCI-based sound-card that's showing up but not actually... y'know... making any sounds. I've got an nVidia GeForce MX 4000 which is working just fine, but the 3D functionality is slow as ass despite it being a 64MB card (it can't even run simple 3D screen savers).
[03:26] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: well, start witha howto on copying 7gigs of mp3s from your windows partiton ;)
[03:26] <Jae_> I've also got a tablet, an AceCat Flair, that I'd like to get working with GIMP.
[03:27] <Benbis> At this rate, I'll move down to my NAD turntable :)
[03:27] <bob2> Jae_: a) you need to define "not making any sound"
[03:27] <bob2> Jae_: b) wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, install the non-free binary-only drivers
[03:27] <bob2> Jae_: 3) don't know
[03:27] <ompaul> Benbis,  you could but it might not improve the situation
[03:28] <ompaul> Benbis, :)
[03:28] <Benbis> Was afraid you'd say that ;-)
[03:28] <Jae_> Bob - Well by "not making sound" I mean that it's just... not playing the sounds through to my speakers.
[03:28] <bob2> Jae_: when you do what?
[03:28] <shadeofgrey> how do i look at the contents of the file you want bob?
[03:29] <WW> Hello, world.
[03:29] <bob2> shadeofgrey: you haven't opened a text file on ubuntu before?
[03:29] <shadeofgrey> bob:  nope
[03:29] <WW> Does anyone have Java 1.5 installed and working with firefox?
[03:29] <shadeofgrey> correction...  once - but that was many hours ago
[03:29] <Jae_> Use CD Player or the movie player or anything that should put sounds through.
[03:29] <bob2> shadeofgrey: hit alt-f2.  type "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" (no quotes). hit enter.
[03:29] <AlohaWolf> WW you need to tell FireFox where Java is Located
[03:29] <Jae_> I've got a CD in the player right now and CD Player shows it playing, but I'm getting no sound.
[03:29] <bob2> Jae_: cd player doesn't count
[03:30] <bob2> Jae_: movie player may.
[03:30] <bob2> Jae_: open a terminal and type "lsmod | grep emu10k1"
[03:30] <ne0genius> hey guys .. i just upgraded to hoary through apt-get and the nvidia drivers i installed i guess need to be reinstalled cause X isn't starting .. anyone can help me
[03:30] <WW> AlohaWolf: Yup, I know.  But there is an applet that I want to use that works with Java 1.4.  It does not appear to work with 1.5.
[03:30] <peloy> The Hoary LiveCD is asking for me for a user ID in gdm. What am I supposed to use? Can someone give me a clue?
[03:30] <shadeofgrey> it opened as read only
[03:30] <shadeofgrey> okay i see what i need to do
[03:30] <bob2> shadeofgrey: that's fine
[03:30] <bob2> shadeofgrey: paste it to #flood
[03:31] <Jae_> Okay. Got a list.
[03:31] <kdtresh> can anyone tell me what audit(1108664938.653:0): initialized refers to?
[03:31] <WW> AlohaWolf: So I'm looking to see if someone else who has 1.5 installed could test it.
[03:31] <bob2> Jae_: cool
[03:31] <bob2> Jae_: now "lsof | grep /snd".  does it mention esd?
[03:32] <bob2> kdtresh: to do with the kernel LSM hooks, aiui
[03:32] <Jae_> mixer_app 19881        jae   37u   CHR      116,0              6167 /dev/snd/controlC0
[03:32] <Jae_> mixer_app 19881        jae   38u   CHR     116,32              6760 /dev/snd/controlC1
[03:32] <Jae_> That's all it shows.
[03:32] <bob2> try running "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp", does it make a horrible noise?
[03:32] <kdtresh> on my system?
[03:33] <kdtresh> it hangs right after that audit
[03:33] <nix000> anyone can suggest easiest way of getting nvidia latest binaries working in warty ?
[03:33] <Jae_> Nope. Not a blessed sound.
[03:33] <bob2> Jae_: have you unmuted the soundcard?
[03:33] <Jae_> Okay, I should've done this first, but lemme make sure the speakers are plugged in. I did a minimal install the other day while upgrading the processor and might not've plugged 'em back in.
[03:33] <Jae_> bob - No, how do I do that?
[03:33] <bob2> Jae_: run the gnome mixer or alsamixer in a terminal
[03:34] <Jae_> Okay, I have it plugged in. :P
[03:34] <Jae_> How?
[03:34] <kdtresh> bob2: what would cause a system to hang at the audit(1108664938.653:0): initialized?
[03:35] <Jae_> Gag. I talk to too many AOLers. Their infectous use of smilies has... well... infected me.
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> wow
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> i crashed the whole system
[03:35] <Jae_> Good jorb.
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> just changing themes!
[03:35] <Jae_> KDE?
[03:35] <ne0genius> anyone .. nvidia drivers .. hoary?
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> gnome
[03:35] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: most of the sources are commented out in the file you pasted
[03:35] <Jae_> Weird.
[03:35] <Jae_> nVidia drivers? Install 'em. :D
[03:36] <Ainvar> ok, I think I am blind or dumb or prolly both!! Where do I find updated source lists for hoary like the list for warty?
[03:36] <Jae_> http://www.nvidia.com/ <-- Support / Drivers / Download
[03:36] <bob2> kdtresh: I don't know, I doubt it's related
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> Jae_: no
[03:36] <Jae_> >_> No?
[03:36] <kdtresh> i'm kinda trying to diagnose what i think might be a hardware problem
[03:36] <shadeofgrey> tho:  yes.  how do i make the file editable so i can change it?
[03:36] <bob2> Ainvar: how do you mean? security updates?
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> ne0genius: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[03:36] <kdtresh> trying to find out where the load is failing
[03:36] <bob2> Jae_: run 'alsamixer' in a terminal.
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:36] <shadeofgrey> i think i actually set the rest of it rightr
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:36] <bob2> kdtresh: run memtest86 overnight
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Got it installed and setup properly :-)
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Thanks bob2
[03:37] <bob2> np
[03:37] <kdtresh> bob2: i have, there is no problem with memory
[03:37] <bob2> shadeofgrey: someone has messed that file up
[03:37] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: well if you want to use gedit, start it with sudo gedit
[03:37] <shadeofgrey> how can that be?  its never been edited?
[03:37] <ne0genius> HrdwrBoB: i upgraded to hory thru apt and it broke X .. i figure i would re run nvidia-glx-config .. didn't do the trick
[03:37] <shadeofgrey> i deleted something out of.. whats it called
[03:38] <shadeofgrey> would that have done it?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> synaptic?
[03:38] <shadeofgrey> correct
[03:38] <robertj> are there plans for the oo2 database component to make it into hoary?
[03:38] <shadeofgrey> my list in synaptic is empty
[03:38] <thoreauputic> yes, that coud have stuffed the file
[03:39] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: basically synaptic is connected to that list, and fiddling in synaptic with administrator privikeges can break things
[03:39] <thoreauputic> *privileges
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> ne0genius: how is X broken
[03:39] <shadeofgrey> okay.  how do i create a repository listing?
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> all i do is hit add and then type the address right?
[03:40] <kdtresh> bob2: when i try to boot failsafe, it hangs on "using anticipatory io scheduler"
[03:40] <Jae_> Bob2 - How do I get things to stop saying "[off] "?
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> it starts with "deb http://"
[03:40] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: also you areusing hoary, which is a Bad Move (tm) for someone inexperienced
[03:40] <bob2> kdtresh: ok
[03:40] <bob2> Jae_: I don't know
[03:40] <ne0genius> HrdwrBoB: well it won't start .. gnome
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> sio what do i do ?  reinstall ubuntu?
[03:41] <shadeofgrey> i can have that done in 40 mins
[03:41] <kdtresh> i'm just trying to boot the warty livecd
[03:41] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you probably need somone to send you their hoary sources file
[03:41] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I'm using warty or I'd do that for you
[03:41] <bob2> no you don't
[03:41] <Ainvar> shadeofgrey,  I can do that for you
[03:41] <shadeofgrey> its just easier to reinstall it isnt it
[03:42] <gcode> So using warty Ubuntu I can't get firefox 1.0 until 2 months from now or something?
[03:42] <Ainvar> shadeofgrey, gimme an email addy I can send it to for you
[03:42] <Jae_> Ah.
[03:42] <Jae_> You hit "m" for "Mute"
[03:42] <Jae_> :D
[03:42] <Jae_> man -- it's what's for dinner!
[03:42] <thoreauputic> ah - shadeofgrey, you could run sudo apt-setup
[03:42] <rattboi> gcode, how about use the backports repo?
[03:42] <WW> gcode: You could use the warty backports repository.
[03:42] <WW> rattboi: :)
[03:43] <gcode> Is that safe to use and everything? I know nothing about it. I'm primarily a Gentoo user and I'm used to portage.
[03:43] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that should give you a fresh file
[03:43] <farruinn> gcode: what's in ff 1.0 that you need?
[03:43] <Jae_> Still not working. Unmuted everything I've got in alsamixer.
[03:43] <Jae_> Maybe I gotta quit to apply changes.
[03:43] <rattboi> gcode, if you're a gentoo guy, aren't you used to bleeding edge?
[03:43] <gcode> Uh, all the fixes and updates from 1.0. :)
[03:43] <gcode> right
[03:44] <rattboi> and in that case, why not use warty?
[03:44] <gcode> I just wasn't sure how ubuntu handled the latest releases
[03:44] <farruinn> gcode: hrm, the ff with warty works fine for me...
[03:44] <gcode> I am using warty
[03:44] <WW> gcode: To be honest, I used 1.0 from backports for a little while, but there was some weirdness with how it interacted with workspaces, so I went back to 0.9.3.
[03:44] <shadeofgrey> okay i guess it worked
[03:44] <gcode> Well there are also major updates to gaim that aren't in ubuntu right now too
[03:44] <rattboi> oh
[03:44] <gcode> I just prefer to have the latest features of course
[03:44] <rattboi> hoary, I meant
[03:44] <farruinn> gcode: best bet there to build the gaim source yourself and install it in /usr/local
[03:44] <gcode> hmm
[03:45] <gcode> ok
[03:45] <Jae_> bob - still isn't working.
[03:45] <gcode> I may just end up going back to gentoo. :)
[03:45] <farruinn> whatever suits  you
[03:46] <gcode> I just wanted to check out the ubuntu hype ;)
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Well how about bleeding edge gaim-vv :)
[03:46] <gcode> the installer was quite nice
[03:47] <mz2> whoa, tomboy rocks
[03:47] <Ainvar> yeah the build of haory from the repos is running very nice
[03:47] <mz2> i never imagined it would be actually useful, but this is reaally cool
[03:47] <DaSkreech> try Beagle
[03:47] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: any special reason you are using the development version? you didn't have a warty cd or something?
[03:48] <DaSkreech> It's just as mind blowing
[03:48] <mz2> it's not yet in the repos, or is it?
[03:48] <kdtresh> bob2: any ideas?
[03:48] <mz2> and it keeps leaking memory for quite a bit
[03:48] <mz2> beagle, i mean
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Yeah it's like 6 months old :-)
[03:48] <mz2> f-spot wouldn't run, though
[03:48] <mz2> it complains this to me:
[03:48] <DaSkreech> All Six month old beagle's leak if you put that much pressure on them L)
[03:49] <mz2> Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libfspot
[03:49] <mz2> in <0x00053> (wrapper managed-to-native) FSpot.ImageView:f_image_view_new ()
[03:49] <Ainvar> so is there a list of extra repos for hoary like there was for warty that was listed in the unofficial ubuntu guide?
[03:50] <Ainvar> or can I just do a replace of warty with hoary in repos that have warty listed in them?
[03:51] <FR500> hey
[03:51] <FR500> is there a way to play wma in rythmbox?
[03:51] <mz2> but is there a debian/ubuntu package of beagle somewhere, then?
[03:51] <ne0genius> Ainvar: i was wondering the same thing
[03:52] <Ainvar> hehe
[03:52] <Ainvar> I guess my question can go along with the question to mr owl on how many licks does it take to get to the middle of a toitsie roll lollipop
[03:53] <ne0genius> 3
[03:54] <thoreauputic> FR500: is there a way to play .ogg in win media player ? ;)
[03:55] <FR500> ok thx
[03:55] <FR500> so i guess i gotta convert
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> oh great
[03:56] <bob2> kdtresh: no
[03:56] <salti> thoreauputic: can I pm you?
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> now when i minimize my windowsthey dont show anywhere they just disappear
[03:57] <thoreauputic> salti: what is your question?
[03:57] <Jae_> How do I drop to shell from Gnome? I need X shut down.
[03:57] <FR500> but i'm just worried about sonic stage's capability of converting ogg  so i can use them in my netmd
[03:57] <kdtresh> ok, thanks for your time
[03:57] <FR500> Jae: ctrl alt f1?
[03:57] <ne0genius> is the array 5 cd usable?  topic is showing 4
[03:57] <salti> I didn't write down the commands that we did earlier and I just wanted to remember what they were.
[03:57] <FR500> if u want to restart gnome ctrl alt bkspace works
[03:57] <Jae_> I can give it a shot.
[03:57] <salti> ahhh!
[03:58] <nix000> anyone tell me where i can get the kernel config file for hoary ? i am running warty now.
[03:58] <hawke> is not-being-able-to-switch-vts-out-of-x a new "feature"?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: try right click on panel, "add window list"
[03:58] <Vjaz> Jae_, If you need to shut down X for more than a second (for which you can press ctrl+alt+backspace like fr500 said), run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[03:59] <mz2> thoreauputic, yes there is a way to play .ogg in win media player :)
[04:00] <thoreauputic> mz2: ah, interesting! :)
[04:00] <Vjaz> I was thinking of saying something funny about Jae_ quitting just after that, but I guess he would've had to quit IRC in any case if he wasn't using it in the console, which is highly unlikely given his question.
[04:00] <mz2> similarly there is a gst-plugin for wma, isn't there? from 0.8.6 onwards or something (i might be wrong?)
[04:00] <thoreauputic> mz2: didn't know that - but then I never use windows these days
[04:00] <shadeofgrey> holy cow batman!  i did it!
[04:01] <mz2> thoreauputic, well me neither,but i found out about it for a friend who couldn't play a song i sent him :)
[04:01] <mz2> there's a directplay dll for ogg vorbis
[04:01] <thoreauputic> mz2: I see :)
[04:01] <qlo-xael> Can anyone help me create an initrd file for my newly compiled kernel?
[04:04] <qlo-xael> anyone???
[04:04] <rubixXx> whats a good burning prog
[04:05] <bob2> qlo-xael: I already told you how
[04:05] <bob2> qlo-xael: --initrd to make-kpkg
[04:06] <FR500> soo mz2, how do i play wma in rythmbox?
[04:06] <bob2> you probably can't
[04:06] <bob2> unless the gstreamer ffmpeg stuff can do it
[04:06] <ions> I just freshly installed ubuntu and started customizing my Gnome panel
[04:07] <ions> it's now completely frozen
[04:07] <shadeofgrey> whats the apt-install command for the nvidia drivers?
[04:07] <ions> restarting X does nothing, the panel freezes right away
[04:08] <ions> if I do a kill -1 it doesn't even restart
[04:09] <hawke> shadeofgrey: apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-[processortype] 
[04:09] <cisei> shadeofgrey: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> hawke: $(uname -r)
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:09] <cisei> shadeofgray: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[04:09] <ions> no ideas?
[04:09] <cisei> shadeofgrey: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:10] <bob2> shadeofgrey: wiki.ubtunu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:10] <bob2> ions: warty?
[04:10] <qlo-xael> bob2: how do i "--initrd to make-kpkg"
[04:10] <ions> yeah
[04:10] <qlo-xael> what is make-kpkg?
[04:10] <bob2> haha
[04:10] <bob2> qlo-xael: if you're building it manually and want an initrd, you need to go read a whole lot of stuff
[04:10] <bob2> (I don't know how to do it)
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:11] <bob2> it's really far far far far less hassle to use an Ubuntu kernel or to compile yours monolithically
[04:11] <qlo-xael> what is compiling monolithically
[04:11] <FR500> what is a diff file?
[04:11] <bob2> qlo-xael: compiling (at least) the basic stuff into the kernel instead of as modules
[04:12] <bob2> like I said a couple of hours ago
[04:12] <qlo-xael> thats what i've done
[04:12] <bob2> FR500: a file that describes the differences between two files
[04:12] <qlo-xael> almost nothing in my kernel is a module
[04:12] <bob2> qlo-xael: then you don't need an initrd
[04:12] <membreya> what's the easiest way (apart from remote computers) to test my sambafs?
[04:12] <qlo-xael> but for some reason, its still trying to load those modules
[04:12] <qlo-xael> and thats where i'm getting an error
[04:12] <rubixXx> whats a good, easy-to-use burning prog
[04:13] <farruinn> nautilus?
[04:14] <hawke> HAM
[04:14] <hawke> rubixXx: k3b
[04:15] <nhudson> does anyone have a good way of mounting an ipod and be able to write to it?
[04:15] <rubixXx> hawke): does it actualy work?
[04:15] <nhudson> I can mount the ipod but I cant write to it
[04:16] <hawke> rubixXx: Like hooked on phonics, it works for me.
[04:16] <bob2> rubixXx: aiui, you need something like gtkpod to do that
[04:18] <scoon> nhudson, /dev/sda2       /media/iPod             vfat            noauto,users,exec,dev,suid      0       0
[04:19] <scoon> nhudson, i have a second gen firewire ipod and that seems to work for me
[04:19] <scoon> and has since i got it
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Does Ubuntu have any known issues with Some USB keys?
[04:19] <rubixXx> yep
[04:19] <rubixXx> mine was messed
[04:19] <nhudson> scoon: hmm for some reason I thought the iPods were hfs only
[04:19] <rubixXx> try a ps/2 adapter if ya got 1 and it should work fine
[04:20] <scoon> nhudson, no.  you can make a vfat one hfs and an hfs one vfat
[04:20] <sigglet> http://pag.lcs.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[04:20] <scoon> nhudson, even apple has scripts to convert between the 2 types
[04:20] <nhudson> scoon: so I can get this from Apple then?
[04:20] <sigglet> scoon: read that url I pasted above
[04:20] <DaSkreech> a PS2 adapter for a USB memory stick?
[04:21] <hawke> DaSkreech: good call, I was wondering the same.
[04:21] <scoon> thanks sigglet but my ipod works just fine.  maybe nhudson would want to take a peek at that.
[04:22] <DaSkreech> I'm thinking thats not the reason your Memory stick was messed up :-)
[04:23] <nhudson> scoon: sigglet: thanks that looks to be what I needed
[04:24] <FR500> how do i install deb files? i have been spoiled by apt-get
[04:25] <jdub> FR500: dpkg -i <file>
[04:25] <farruinn> dpkg -i [file] .deb
[04:25] <scoon> FR500, you may be better served opening up a terminal and doing a quick man dpkg
[04:26] <qlo-xael> bob2: can you tell me what make-kpkg is and how to use it?
[04:26] <qlo-xael> bob2: does it take the place of make? make install??
[04:26] <bob2> qlo-xael: it's a tool for buliding Debian/Ubuntu kernel packages
[04:26] <bob2> it takes the place of both of them for kernel compiles
[04:27] <farruinn> qlo-xael: I think there's a howto or something at www.debian.org/doc
[04:27] <qlo-xael> what about make modules_install
[04:27] <bob2> and that
[04:27] <qlo-xael> do i not need that either?
[04:27] <bob2> if you want an initrd, yes
[04:27] <farruinn> I know that there is at least a quick overview of the "debian/ubuntu" way at the end of the install manual
[04:27] <fsc> is the nuvola theme new in hoary? i don't remember seeing it before and i noticed on my update that gnome-theme-extras was updated.  looks great
[04:29] <FR500> why is that i can't install an mplayer with a gui, synaptic tells me it can't find some deps
[04:29] <FR500> i added all the repos in the unofficial faq
[04:31] <Dreamer3> FR500: dunno, i think that's mentioned in the ubuntu guide though
[04:32] <MMA[Cory] > Anyone home?
[04:32] <SiRrUs> good evening fellows
[04:32] <FR500> no,  only the mozilla plugins
[04:33] <bestadvocate> anyone elses lush theme foobared?
[04:33] <qlo-xael> so, in order to compile a kernel with make-kpkg, all i need to do is put a working .config file in /usr/src/linux and type make-kpkg --initrd
[04:33] <bob2> FR500: doesn't work on warty, unfortunately
[04:34] <MMA[Cory] > Can anyone tell me where the ".Xdefaults" file is?
[04:34] <qlo-xael> am i way off here?
[04:34] <FR500> but it's only matter of dependencies i think, it lacks libarts and something else, nothing more
[04:34] <farruinn> MMA[Cory] : locate .Xdefaults
[04:34] <MMA[Cory] > Ill try again
[04:34] <thoreauputic> salti: sorry - dialup disconnect :(
[04:34] <casimir> so with make-kpkg I can make a custom kernel, is there a way that I can make my nvidia drivers work with it?
[04:35] <salti> thoreauputic: no problem!
[04:35] <MMA[Cory] > "warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory"
[04:35] <casimir> I haven't made the nvidia drivers with .deb files before
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Ok another question does apt-get keep a log of the messages?
[04:35] <DaSkreech> and obviously where they are :-)
[04:36] <farruinn> MMA[Cory] : I think you need to run 'sudo updatedb'
[04:36] <MMA[Cory] > ahh
[04:36] <farruinn> DaSkreech: messages?
[04:37] <MMA[Cory] > Farruinn: same warning
[04:37] <DaSkreech> farruinn: Well I just installed spamassassin and I wanted to get a list of the packages it said it needed to install to satisfy deps
[04:37] <farruinn> DaSkreech: apt-cache show spamassasin
[04:37] <farruinn> that will list dependencies
[04:37] <farruinn> as well as other info
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[04:38] <salti> thoreauputic: by the way, thanks again for the help!
[04:38] <thoreauputic> salti: no problem :)
[04:38] <MMA[Cory] > Im lookin for the .Xdefaults file to install a mouse theme.
[04:39] <qlo-xael> so, in order to compile a kernel with make-kpkg, all i need to do is put a working .config file in /usr/src/linux and type make-kpkg --initrd
[04:39] <SiRrUs> qlo-xael why do you want to compile a kernel
[04:40] <qlo-xael> oh no here we go again
[04:40] <qlo-xael> thats how i do it
[04:40] <qlo-xael> all my previous linux experience is in slackware
[04:40] <qlo-xael> i'mnot familiar with make-kpkg
[04:40] <qlo-xael> i would just like some help with that to make sure i'm doing everything right
[04:41] <SiRrUs> sorry i asked
[04:41] <membreya> has anyone here gotten mplayer to work on an amd64 system??
[04:42] <qlo-xael> ubuntu doesnt come with make-kpkg
[04:43] <qlo-xael> please dont be offended, i just want to stem off any argument as to why i shouldnt compile my own kernel
[04:43] <qlo-xael> and go straight for the help i'm looking for
[04:43] <SiRrUs> qlo-xael iasked you a simple question wasnt planning on arguing. It seems your a bit defensive. But good luck
[04:44] <farruinn> you might ask on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[04:44] <qlo-xael> sirius, i am defensive, bob2 has made me this way with, i'm very glad you werent going to argue with me
[04:45] <TongMaster> Has anyone seen a situation where Warty won't auto-mount any CD's put into a particular model of CD-RW? (Note: these CD's mount in Warty on machine with different IDE cdroms)
[04:45] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: there are docs on debian.org about compiling a kernel with kpkg
[04:45] <thoreauputic> and it is available in ubuntu repos - you might need univers
[04:45] <thoreauputic> *universe
[04:45] <bob2> er, how did I make you defensive?
[04:45] <Amaranth> osnews had a guide to compiling a 2.4 kernel with debian
[04:45] <bob2> afaict you have no reason to be building a kernel, so I advised you to not and save everyone a huge amount of hassle
[04:46] <Amaranth> you can adapt it to 2.6 if you know what to ignore
[04:46] <bob2> then you insisted so I explained how to do it anyway
[04:46] <qlo-xael> u wanted to argue about whether it was worth my time to compile a kernel, bob2
[04:47] <qlo-xael> which is fine, i just dont have time for that
[04:47] <bob2> no I didn't
[04:47] <bob2> I was just pointing out that you had no reason
[04:47] <qlo-xael> why?
[04:47] <bob2> and that if you'd use an ubuntu kernel, you'd be done and down at the pub by now
[04:47] <stuNNed> heh
[04:47] <bob2> hm
[04:47] <stuNNed> bob2: how much ac patches make it into ubuntuoolios kernelz?
[04:47] <bob2> speaking of which, it's lunch o'clock
[04:47] <casimir> ubuntu has pretty good wireless support, he might be at the pub right now
[04:48] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: actually kernel-package is in main
[04:48] <bob2> qlo-xael: good luck, yes "make-kpkg --initd" with the ubuntu .config in an ubuntu kernel source should work
[04:48] <Codyman> hello
[04:49] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: apt-cache policy kernel-package ; apt-cache show kernel-package
[04:49] <qlo-xael> its just that the whole reason i am compiling my own kernel is so it is configured for my system, if i download preconfigured kernels, this is not moving in the direction i want
[04:49] <casimir> is there a way I can prevent agpgart from loading
[04:49] <Codyman> i am new to ubuntu... i installed it but it refuses to launch gnome because it is detecting my integrated video card and not my ATI one.. so i have pico'ed the xorg.conf file and see that it is finding my intel chipset, but how do i reset it to find my PCI ATI card?
[04:49] <bob2> qlo-xael: yes, but "configuring it for your system" is no gain
[04:50] <bob2> stuNNed: whatever fabio decides is needed to fix bugs/add features
[04:50] <delltony> hi anyone here use winetools by chance reason i ask in the base setup do you have to install internet explore 6 and if so have you been able to successfully do this cause with me it freezes at around 44 percent
[04:50] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: so don't worry about justifying yourself - just apt-get kernel-package and go for it
[04:50] <bob2> qlo-xael: anyway, install kernel-packageand run the command I said earlier
[04:50] <qlo-xael> but honestly, thanks so much for your help
[04:51] <qlo-xael> ubuntu drove me nuts when i first got it
[04:51] <qlo-xael> its growing on me
[04:51] <qlo-xael> ubuntu just wants to be in X so bad
[04:51] <qlo-xael> hehe
[04:52] <membreya> ubuntu is awesome for me ..got tv out working, tv tuner...all the hardware I need...just got to get around to all the divx'ing ;)
[04:52] <qlo-xael> thats why i'm putting it on my desktop next
[04:52] <Codyman> how can i reset my xorg.conf file since it is corrupt
[04:52] <thoreauputic> different language from slack - but equally tweakable if you want it
[04:52] <stuNNed> membreya: how'd you get tvout working? :P
[04:52] <membreya> stuNNed: ...editing my xorg.conf :D
[04:52] <stuNNed> membreya: ouch :(
[04:52] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic: thats good to hear, i was worried ubuntu was resistant to tweaking
[04:53] <membreya> very easy to do stuNNed :)
[04:53] <membreya> want it ?
[04:53] <stuNNed> membreya: shouldn't really have to do that, was it hard or can you put something up somewhere? sure!
[04:53] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: well, gnome is a bit resistant to tweaking ;)
[04:53] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: but with your slack experience, you'll find stuff :)
[04:54] <sn0wman> Hi.  Is Hoary stable enough for everyday use yet?
[04:54] <qlo-xael> coolness
[04:55] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: install build-essential and the dev x packages and checkinstall ::)
[04:55] <thoreauputic> if you haven't already
[04:55] <farruinn> sn0wman: I think that depends on your level of tolerance
[04:55] <MMA[Cory] > sn0wman: not from what Ive read, but Im still a n00b. ;)
[04:56] <sn0wman> farruinn, do things still crash. (I tried it a while ago, and the stability was aweful)
[04:56] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic: already got build-essential, but for the rest: apt-get install devx? apt-get install checkinstall
[04:56] <qlo-xael> "
[04:56] <qlo-xael> ?
[04:56] <Codyman> i just installed ubuntu.. how do i set a root password
[04:56] <farruinn> sn0wman: no idea, it think it's a unique experience for everyone, and besides, I'm not running hoary atm
[04:56] <thoreauputic> x-window-system-dev and checkinstall
[04:57] <qlo-xael> thanks so much
[04:57] <invisible_jim> anyone know if warnings and errors (or the entire session) are logged during a kernel compile? - and where to find them :)
[04:57] <Amaranth> Codyman: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:57] <farruinn> Codyman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo is your friend :)
[04:57] <farruinn> haha
[04:57] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: apt-cache show x-window-system-dev for the summary
[04:57] <Codyman> mind readers!
[04:57] <Amaranth> We _really_ need a bot to spit things like that out.
[04:57] <farruinn> I had one around
[04:57] <farruinn> but then I reformatted my drive
[04:58] <matt_1> how do I choose my network card during the install, if the auto detection fails?
[04:58] <Amaranth> I had one that may or may not still be on my server. If not I could recreate it in about 20 minutes.
[04:58] <matt_1> it says to 'go back to the network hardware detection step', but then the autodetect just fails again
[04:58] <sounix> hola
[04:58] <invisible_jim> anyone had problems compiling ide.ko (in 2.6.8.1)?
[04:58] <farruinn> Amaranth: that'd be cool because I'm usually not online 24/7
[04:59] <qlo-xael> ok, well thanks for the help, i have to get offline so i can get on with my laptop
[04:59] <qlo-xael> thanks
[05:00] <stuNNed> will be an ubuntu hoary array 5?
[05:00] <stuNNed> will/will there
[05:00] <SiRrUs> stuNNed there is
[05:00] <SiRrUs> i am running it
[05:00] <stuNNed> array 5 already??
[05:00] <stuNNed> SiRrUs
[05:00] <stuNNed> ?
[05:00] <SiRrUs> came out wed
[05:00] <stuNNed> whoa thansk
[05:00] <stuNNed> thanks, SiRrUs you have url?
[05:00] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:01] <membreya> currently running gcc 3.3.5 but I'm getting ICE's...how do I upgrade to 3.4? :( tried synaptic but it still report 3.3.5
[05:01] <Vjaz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-5/
[05:01] <stuNNed> Vjaz: thanks!
[05:01] <Vjaz> That should be updated in the topic, by the way.
[05:01] <Vjaz> It's just 4->5
[05:01] <SiRrUs> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[05:01] <SiRrUs> there you go
[05:02] <delltony> when will ubuntu be taking orders for hoary cds?
[05:02] <britt_radiofree> so, typeahead in epiphany hasn't worked for me forever ... can anyone confirm having or not having this problem?
[05:02] <calamari> anyone happen to know if it might mess up the conducting pad if I were to take off my heatsink (intel p4 stock)?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: lots of firefox devotees here I suspect ;)
[05:03] <calamari> britt_radiofree: the folks in #kde are friendly and helpful. check 'em out
[05:04] <thoreauputic> calamari: er - epiphany is a gnome browser
[05:04] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, surely someone uses ephy! :)
[05:04] <britt_radiofree> calamari, huh?
[05:04] <calamari> ok
[05:04] <britt_radiofree> calamari, the base gnome browser
[05:04] <calamari> anyone have an idea on that heatsink question? :)
[05:04] <calamari> thats what's mainly on my mind right now :)
[05:05] <SiRrUs> calamari sorry
[05:05] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: I used to use galeon until Havoc and co took it out of gnome, effectively - so I'm a little biased against epiphany ;)
[05:05] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: although it's a nice browser - I'm not trying to start a holy war ;-)
[05:06] <matt_1> i imagine you would impair the heat transfer if you took the heatsink off and put it back on, but to what degree i couldn't say
[05:06] <calamari> matt_l: oic.. thanks
[05:06] <hawke> calamari: He is correct
[05:06] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, yeah, there are obviously pros and cons to both ephy and ff, which have been discussed ad hom. :)
[05:06] <hawke> calamari: If you did that, it would be wise to put some thermal grease on.
[05:07] <hawke> calamari: (after removing any remaining pad)
[05:07] <calamari> it's weird.. just built this system, turn it on and I get nothing (except fans blowing).. no heat from the cpu heatsink, no beeps.. reset and power switches work.  that's about it
[05:07] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: the lack of configurability in epiph drives me nuts
[05:07] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, what does ff allow you to configure that ephy doesnt?
[05:08] <hams> how do i add a hostname/ip association?
[05:08] <Codyman> whats the hotkey to cycle resolutions again?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: if youu know a command to make it open tabs without popping in my face, I'm all ears
[05:08] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: with galeon you did galeon --no-raise -n
[05:09] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, don't get me wrong, when developing web apps I use ff for the extensions, but i personally prefer ephy for general browsing
[05:09] <thoreauputic> great for clicking links in mail and rss readers
[05:09] <britt_radiofree> i don't understand 'tabs popping in your face' ... what exactly is popping up?
[05:09] <matt_1> calamari: i have no idea about your experience, but putting any cables in backwards often stops the computer from POSTing even
[05:09] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: as I said, it's nice enough  - but  a lot of galeon's options are missing
[05:10] <hams> where can i download hoary?
[05:10] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: I like to open stuff from other apps in the bckground: afaik you can't do it with epiphany
[05:10] <calamari> matt_l: everything is keyed on this motherboard.. quite nice actually :)  I think I will pull off the usb connections I wired just in case tho
[05:11] <sigpi222> calamari: make sure you dont have a ground-out somewhere too
[05:11] <sigpi222> calamari: something touching that shouldnt be.
[05:11] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: I have to shunt the browser to another workspace to avoid it covering what I'm reading when it loads
[05:12] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, you mean you click 'open link in new window'?
[05:12] <calamari> matt_1, hawke, sigpi222: thanks for your help, even though this is pretty offtopic, I appreciate it :)
[05:13] <matt_1> np, good luck
[05:13] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: no, for example if I click an URL in an email. it pops up regardless of what options I enter (new tab or whatever)
[05:13] <hawke> calamari: Ooh, good point on the cables...
[05:14] <hawke> calamari: IDE particularly does that
[05:14] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, well that's a metacity thing
[05:14] <hawke> calamari: Also, try disconnecting all drives
[05:14] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, the fix is in, but everyone has to fix their apps, which hasn't been completed yet so it's not going to make 2.10
[05:14] <britt_radiofree> probably 2.12 though
[05:14] <calamari> hawke: I don't actually have any drives plugged in right now .. hehe
[05:14] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: no it isn't - with galeon you could do galeon --no-raise -n
[05:14] <hawke> calamari: I've seen where particular CD drives and hard drives didn't like to be t....nevermind then. :-)
[05:15] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: you could specify that in gconf or whatever
[05:15] <britt_radiofree> thoreauputic, that might have been a temp fix in galeon, but the proper solution is desktop-wide w/ metacity
[05:15] <britt_radiofree> it's not just a browser thing, for example gaim chats popping up and stealing focus while i'm typing an email
[05:16] <Codyman> xorg.conf is located in /etc/X11 right?  cause its it unusual that i don't have one...
[05:16] <aroman> what is the best way to upgrade firefox 0.9.3 to 1.0?
[05:16] <matt_1> maybe the motherboard manual will tell you what it means when the computer doesn't POST
[05:16] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: you see my irritation though? Gnome needs to have a *few* configurable options that don't require workarounds
[05:16] <sigpi222> aroman: apt-get
[05:16] <matt_1> the only other thing I can think of is that the RAM isn't pushed in all the way
[05:16] <farruinn> Codyman: you have hoary?
[05:16] <Codyman> yes
[05:17] <aroman> sigpi222, well, it's not in the apt-get repository... 0.9.3 is the latest
[05:17] <Mr_Milenko> anybody here care to help me setup ident2 >_<
[05:17] <hawke> metacity needs to have clicking in the window body not bring it to the front when focus-follows-mouse is on. :-)
[05:17] <Mr_Milenko> i cant get it to work for the life of me
[05:17] <farruinn> Codyman: and X is installed and configured?
[05:17] <sigpi222> aroman: you apt-get update?
[05:17] <Codyman> yes i'm using xchat right now in gnome
[05:17] <britt_radiofree> hawke, it used ot be that way ... lots of people complained and it eventually got changed
[05:17] <aroman> sigpi222, I think so.. hmm let me do it again
[05:18] <farruinn> aroman: ff 1.0 is in hoary
[05:18] <britt_radiofree> it used to be only alt-click body would bring to front i believe, but i'm not positive
[05:18] <hawke> BrianAnthony: Hmm...what's the point of ffm if clicking a window brings it to the front anyway?
[05:18] <hawke> er
[05:18] <hawke> britt_radiofree: rather
[05:18] <aroman> farruinn, ah
[05:18] <hams> what's the site for downloading hoary?
[05:18] <sigpi222> aroman: synaptic has 1.0-2 for me..
[05:18] <aroman> well ok, I ask you ppl... how stable is hoary at the current stage?
[05:19] <britt_radiofree> hawke, yeah it can be annoying ... hopefully you already have the widget in the background app focused :)
[05:19] <farruinn> hams: just s/warty/hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:19] <calamari> hmm.. maybe I should pull the ram out and try it then.. should at least beep or something, right?
[05:19] <hawke> britt_radiofree: exactly.  Completely defeats the usefulness of ffm.  Only thing that's keeping me with sawfish instead of metacity.
[05:20] <matt_1> good question
[05:20] <hams> farruin: i want to get the install cd, to install onto an external drive
[05:20] <farruinn> hams: /topic
[05:20] <britt_radiofree> hawke, file a bugreport and bitch and moan! :) I'd post to it as well
[05:20] <farruinn> although I think it needs to be updatead, array 5 is out
[05:20] <matt_1> i never had problems and never learned any of this in a structured way, so i'm just not very experienced with POSTing or motherboard problems
[05:21] <hawke> britt_radiofree: I would, if I didn't hate bugzilla. :-)
[05:21] <aroman> hams, hoary is not a full distro, like warty. It is just a bunch of debs... which are newer than warty debs
[05:21] <thoreauputic> britt_radiofree: heh - actually I use fluxbox a lot because it obeys my changes- changing gnome has become awkward. i know the reasons - i just find some things illogical
[05:21] <aroman> hams, like debian sid
[05:22] <hams> aroman, so there's no test install cd?
[05:22] <stuNNed> hawke: lol
[05:22] <farruinn> hams: there is a link in the topic
[05:23] <hams> it's not in the faq
[05:23] <farruinn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4
[05:23] <farruinn> just change that 4 to a 5
[05:23] <ions> have any of you had trouble with gnome-panel applets completely freezing gnome in Warty?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> ions: yes
[05:24] <sigpi222> ions: my application bar, like the start menu, has disappeared.
[05:24] <ions> how did you fix it
[05:24] <ions> ?
[05:24] <hams> thanks
[05:24] <ions> this is a completely fresh install and gnome-panel is now unusable
[05:24] <thoreauputic> ions: try killall gnome-panel
[05:24] <ions> lasted all of 5 minutes
[05:24] <thoreauputic> it regenerates
[05:24] <ions> did that
[05:24] <aroman> is there a list with the current packages in hoary?
[05:25] <ions> I also did a kill -1
[05:25] <ions> it regenerates into it's previous useless form
[05:25] <thoreauputic> oh dear
[05:25] <farruinn> aroman: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ might be what you're looking for
[05:26] <thoreauputic> ions: hmm - well a bit drastic but you can try /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then try re-running from console
[05:26] <ions> I think cause the install is fresh it'll actually be faster to reinstall than fix
[05:26] <aroman> farruinn, thanks
[05:26] <sigpi222> i cant figure out what i've got set wrong w/ samba as to why my xp box wont see shares..
[05:27] <aroman> yuck... how come there's no mono-1.1 series in hoary? :S
[05:27] <membreya> had u added the samba user sigpi222 ?
[05:28] <invisible_jim> anyone know if i -need- to include ide and ext3 modules into a initrd.img in order to boot the corresponding kernel on an ide hdd with ext3 fs? or is there another way round?
[05:29] <hams> if i attach a external firewire hdd, how do i see if it was detected?
[05:30] <matt_1> does anybody know how much disk space the warty base install takes?
[05:30] <membreya> hams: dmesg
[05:31] <hams> membreya, are those just boot messages?
[05:31] <thoreauputic> matt_1: I think bob2 was saying 200MB for the base
[05:31] <invisible_jim> matt_1: with a 'custom' install (no X, very much just the base OS) it took 200-300mb for me.
[05:31] <bob2> the default is 1.8GB, tho
[05:32] <membreya> hams: yup
[05:32] <hams> membreya, can firewire devices be "hotplugged" ?
[05:32] <bob2> yes
[05:32] <matt_1> hmm- i don't even remember choosing an installation type. so i guess i'll see if I run out of space during the install...
[05:32] <hams> how can i see if it was detected?
[05:33] <bob2> hams: tail -f /var/log/messages
[05:33] <bob2> matt_1: if you didn't do some magic at the beginning, you'll get the default 1.8GB install
[05:34] <hams> bob2, nothin... can i force bus scan?
[05:34] <matt_1> ok
[05:34] <bob2> hams: that won't help
[05:34] <stuNNed> bob2: whoa, that was a quick lunch :P
[05:34] <bob2> does "dmesg" say anything at the bottom about it?
[05:35] <hams> bob2, it didn't have it turned on at boot
[05:35] <aroman> question: what happens if I try to install packages made FOR Debian under ubuntu?
[05:36] <farruinn> aroman: you run the risk of breaking your system
[05:36] <aroman> farruinn, okie...
[05:38] <invisible_jim> is there any way to boot a kernel on an ide, ext3 disk without having the relevant ide and ext3 modules within a corresponding initrd.img?
[05:38] <hams> ok, does anyone know how to prevent the 'md' driver from scan my RAID array? can i disable it?
[05:39] <bob2> hams: physically plugging and unplugging might work
[05:39] <bob2> invisible_jim: why don't you just use an ubuntu kernel?
[05:39] <bob2> aroman: why do you want to?
[05:40] <hams> bob2, ok, the /var/log/messages indicates it found something, is it now undeer /dev/ as???
[05:41] <invisible_jim> bob2: im wanting to build from the ubuntu source because i need to add netfilter support and make some optimisations.
[05:41] <aroman> bob2, mono 1.1.4 but nm now.. compiling manually
[05:42] <bob2> invisible_jim: the ubuntu kernels include all mainline netfilter modules
[05:43] <bob2> and are "optimised" in whatever way you mean
[05:43] <bob2> but meh
[05:43] <bob2> use the ubuntu config and source and patch if you insist
[05:43] <hams> does Warty support reading MacOS Extended partition types?
[05:43] <Codyman> what card should I selelect (vesa, vga, etc) for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for my PCI ATI 9200
[05:44] <bob2> hams: yes
[05:44] <bob2> hams: it may be under /dev
[05:44] <bob2> hams: what sort of device is it?
[05:44] <bob2> Codyman: radeon
[05:44] <hams> bob2, what is the type string for that?
[05:44] <invisible_jim> bob2: so ill need to just load the modules as i need them, i meant optimised as in removing support for hardware that i dont have and configuring proccessor optimisations
[05:44] <farruinn> hams: you'll probably have to 'modprobe hfsplus' before you can mount it
[05:45] <bob2> invisible_jim: well, no support is included for things youdon't use in the ubuntu ones, anyway.  and they're optimised for specific cpus.
[05:45] <invisible_jim> bob2: im using linux-source from the ubuntu apt url, 2.6.8.1 -- same as my current kernel
[05:45] <bob2> invisible_jim: but if you realy think it will help, at least start with the ubuntu kernel source and config and change only thing things you care about
[05:45] <bob2> invisible_jim: custom compiling a kernel with modular IDE is kinda silly, tho
[05:45] <farruinn> hams: or just 'sudo echo hfsplus >> /etc/modules'
[05:46] <Codyman> bob2: ok.. how can i find what the video card's identifier is?
[05:46] <bob2> Codyman: are you on i386?
[05:46] <Codyman> yes
[05:46] <bob2> then leave it blank
[05:47] <hams> if the drive has multiple partitions, do i need to mount each one or what happens if i just mount /dev/sdd ?
[05:47] <invisible_jim> bob2: i know, but the kernel fails to boot, i get: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)
[05:47] <invisible_jim> bob2: thats with all ide stuff and ext3 code compiled in the kernel.
[05:47] <snowblink> invisible_jim: ext3 needs initrd I believe
[05:48] <bob2> hams: you need to mount each one
[05:48] <bob2> stuNNed: no, it doesn't
[05:48] <bob2> er, snowblink
[05:48] <bob2> invisible_jim: well, you forgot something in there.  go and again, carefully.
[05:49] <bob2> (dn't mean to be harsh, but it's extremely unlikely to be anything other than a config error)
[05:50] <snowblink> bob2: if you have ext3 as a module you need to?
[05:50] <invisible_jim> snowblink: that would be fine, ive been going down that route so far. but i hit a brick wall when ide.ko and ide-mod.ko fail to compile (in order for me to add them to initrd.img)
[05:50] <hams> bob2, i tried this: sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdd2 /mnt and it seems to mount, but if cd /mnt it says permission denied
[05:51] <bob2> snowblink: right
[05:51] <bob2> snowblink: but invisible_jim is buliding it in
[05:51] <snowblink> bob2: got ya
[05:51] <farruinn> hams: you might want to add a line to your /etc/fstab with the users option
[05:51] <bob2> hams: you probably need "-p umask=002"
[05:51] <bob2> er, -o
[05:52] <Amaranth> farruinn: I finished the bot. :)
[05:53] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  For a few days now in hoary I've been having a problem with HAL.  When I boot up it takes a minute or two after getting into GNOME for HAL to see all my devices.  (For example, Device Manager's list grows slowly and NetworkManager doesn't see my card for a while.)
[05:53] <bob2> heh, I'd just be glad networkmanager isn't randomly crashing on you ;)
[05:54] <farruinn> Amaranth: cool, what's its nick?
[05:54] <Amaranth> hang on
[05:54] <ficusplanet> bob2: Yeah, I do love NetworkManager.  It has made life very easy and has been perfectly stable for me.
[05:54] <bob2> hm, cool
[05:54] <hams> faruinn, ok that did it! :) but hfsplus still doesn't seem to let me read MacOS Extended ...
[05:55] <Amaranth> farruinn: That one. :)
[05:55] <bob2> hams: isn't "macos extended" the partition table type?
[05:55] <farruinn> huh, something about the name gave it away :D
[05:55] <SiRrUs> Amaranth what does it do?
[05:55] <invisible_jim> bob2: on my first tries i made sure to build in ide, ide-mod, piix, ide-core, ide-generic, ide-disk and ext3 -- and i get 'Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)' -- i know i must be missing something, but after my 7th try ill be damned if i know what.
[05:55] <sigpi222> Amaranth:  you sure thats a bot? ;)
[05:55] <bob2> invisible_jim: well, I don't know your hardware, so I can't guess
[05:55] <hams> bob2, what i use macos extended in the /etc/fstab?
[05:56] <bob2> hams: ?
[05:56] <Amaranth> farruinn: "+tell foo about something" will PM the user about message, "+something" will tell the channel, "+learn something is some info" will make the bot learn an entry
[05:56] <bob2> I think you're a bit confused about what you're trying to do
[05:56] <invisible_jim> bob2: thanks for your help, youve cleared some stuff up for me.
[05:56] <bob2> you don't mount disks, you mount partitions
[05:56] <bob2> invisible_jim: just have to keep going over it until it jumps out at you
[05:57] <Bandit> hmmm Amaranth is it a smart one
[05:57] <hams> bob2, for the mount command what type do i use?
[05:57] <Amaranth> farruinn: Perhaps you could stuff it full of common things?
[05:57] <g> ia getting this message dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:57] <bob2> hams: hfsplus
[05:57] <g> and i do not know how to solve it
[05:57] <bob2> hams: I guess
[05:57] <bob2> hams: the line you ave before should work
[05:57] <bob2> g: did you run that command?
[05:58] <g> it is my second day with unbutu
[05:58] <g> yes
[05:58] <g> yes
[05:58] <hams> bob2, hmm... doesn't seem to work. it mounts, but not as the correct file system type
[05:58] <Bandit> Bandit> ubuntu
 Bandit "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are". The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world.
[05:58] <Bandit> now theres a smart bot ;)
[05:58] <bob2> hams: I don't know what that means
[05:59] <bronson> "ulimit -n" shows 1024 maximum open FDs for processes on my system.
[05:59] <Amaranth> Bandit: Just a simple info bot. Only about 150 lines of code.
[05:59] <bronson> Anyone know how to boost that?
[05:59] <bronson> (not for root; for regular users?)
[05:59] <hams> bob2, i macos extended disk can mount as a plain old HFS type disk which has a single file that tells you the drive was mounted as HFS,
[05:59] <bronson> ulimit -n 50000 works fine for root.
[05:59] <bob2> bronson: /etc/security/limits.conf
[06:00] <bob2> hams: is "macos extended" a filesystem or partition type?
[06:00] <hams> that's what i'm getting.
[06:00] <bob2> hams: is it the same as HFS+?
[06:00] <bronson> bob2: thanks.
[06:00] <hams> bob2, i dunno... can't remember
[06:00] <farruinn> I'm pretty sure it is
[06:00] <farruinn> macos extended = hfs+
[06:00] <Amaranth> farruinn: Chaning something real quick with the bot, it'll brb.
[06:01] <bob2> ok
[06:02] <bronson> bob2: do I need to reboot?
[06:02] <stuNNed> thoreauputic: use galeon here, back again! :D
[06:03] <stuNNed> thoreauputic: eh, a little late, sorry
[06:03] <farruinn> hams: this hfs+ partition doesn't have OS X on it does it?
[06:03] <Underlord> i have ubuntu installed on my x86 box which has 2 usb 1.10 root hubs (each with 2 ports) and one root usb 2.0 hub (which also includes a 1.10 for compat), if i connect a usb mass storage device when i first turn on the pc it mounts fine off /dev/sda1 and everything is wonderfull, often i can reconnect the device again, but after the pc's been on for a while and the mass storage device has been used before it seems to sto
[06:03] <Underlord> p functioning all together, regardless of which hub i connect the device to, it appears ubuntu's kernel has stopped taking notice and isnt linking /dev/sd?? to the usb device anymore, what could be the problem/
[06:04] <Underlord> sorry for long message
[06:04] <hams> farruin, not a system install, but it was created under osx
[06:04] <Amaranth> +test3
[06:04] <Amaranth> bleh
[06:05] <bronson> Underlord: what do your kernel messages say when you plug/unplug?
[06:05] <farruinn> hams: what's happened to me is every file I touch in linux has its owner:group changed to numbers which has to be fixed if you want to use the partition with OS X
[06:05] <bob2> bronson: don't think so
[06:05] <bob2> bronson: logging out and in again should be enough
[06:05] <Amaranth> +test3
[06:05] <UbuntuBot> test3 is w00t!
[06:05] <bronson> Hm.  Must be something else setting it on my system then...  I can't get it to take hold.
[06:06] <Amaranth> all fixed
[06:06] <Amaranth> farruinn: Have fun. :)
[06:06] <farruinn> :D
[06:06] <Underlord> bronson, kernel messages? how do i find out?
[06:06] <bob2> erk
[06:06] <Amaranth> farruinn: Try +tell again.
[06:06] <bob2> please make sure that bot won't flood the channel
[06:06] <bronson> Underlord: look at /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages.
[06:06] <Amaranth> bob2: I have a +ban command.
[06:06] <Amaranth> bob2: Want access to it?
[06:07] <bob2> Amaranth: what does that do?
[06:07] <farruinn> +tell farruinn test3
[06:07] <Amaranth> bob2: Makes the bot ignore that a user. +ban farruinn, for example
[06:07] <bob2> ah
[06:07] <Amaranth> farruinn: +tell farruinn about test3
[06:07] <bob2> hm, that might be handy
[06:07] <bronson> Underlord: or run dmesg.  Running tail -f on those /var files and then plugging might help too.
[06:08] <Amaranth> bob2: I figured it would be good for telling people about root and networkmanager and such.
[06:09] <Underlord> bronson, nothing reported from syslog, i slas try the other...
[06:09] <Amaranth> farruinn: that ubuntu guide one is going to come out funny
[06:09] <bronson> Means the kernel didn't see it.
[06:09] <bronson> Underlord: you might want to run usbview too.  It can be handy.
[06:09] <hams> farruinn: ok it worked. is /etc/fstab only read at boot?
[06:09] <Amaranth> farruinn: No it won't, I'm stupid. :P
[06:09] <Underlord> i tried, seems ubuntu doesnt include usbview
[06:10] <bronson> Underlord: apt-cache search usbview
[06:10] <bronson> Sure it doesn.
[06:10] <farruinn> hams: there's an option used with mount I think that remounts stuff in fstab, but I don't remember what it is
[06:10] <hawke> what is usbview?
[06:10] <bronson> hawke: run it and see.  :)
[06:10] <bronson> Just shows attached usb devices.
[06:10] <Underlord> ahh, ill install...
[06:11] <hawke> bronson: similar to lsusb?
[06:11] <bronson> hawke: in GTK.
[06:11] <hawke> bronson: ah, thx.
[06:11] <hams> ok, how can i remove or disable the 'md' driver/module from running on boot?
[06:12] <bronson> hams: delete it.  works for me.  ;)
[06:12] <Underlord> grrr, my gnome installation is screwed up
[06:12] <bronson> I don't know the correct way of doing it...
[06:12] <hams> bronson, it's not in /etc/modules it's built into the kernel
[06:13] <bronson> hams: oh.  you get to rebuild the kernel then.
[06:13] <Codyman> does ubuntu hoary support NTFS partitions (reading)?
[06:13] <bronson> hams: you mean /lib/modules ?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Codyman: reading, yes
[06:13] <Codyman> thoreau: how can i enable it
[06:14] <hams> bronson, no.. but i don't really want to remove it, just turn it off.
[06:14] <thoreauputic> Ihvae this in /etc/fstab , Codyman
[06:14] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda1       /mnt/winXP      ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=peter,gid=peter
[06:14] <thoreauputic>  0 0
[06:15] <Codyman> gracias
[06:15] <thoreauputic> peter being my user name
[06:15] <hawke> hams: I don't think there is a way
[06:15] <thoreauputic> yocan use uid numbers instead I guess
[06:16] <hawke> thoreauputic: you can
[06:16] <hams> hawke, that's crazy... no config or control file?
[06:16] <farruinn> hams: maybe in the initrd
[06:16] <hawke> hams: /etc/raidtab, maybe...
[06:17] <hawke> hams: But the autodetect just happens, as far as I know
[06:17] <hawke> hams: the bit of googling i've done has turned up nothing.
[06:17] <bronson> hams: why do you want to turn it off?
[06:17] <hams> bronson, cuz i don't want it to mess with the array, it's my windows install
[06:18] <hams> farruinn, the initrd has a control file?
[06:19] <farruinn> no, but there is a file in the image called loadmodules
[06:20] <hams> farruinn, is there a way to see what is in it?
[06:21] <hawke> hams: Look around in /usr/share/initrd-tools
[06:21] <hawke> hams: assuming you use mkinitrd to make your initrd
[06:21] <farruinn> yeah, but it's rather complex, this is an example: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[06:22] <farruinn> that of course doesn't outline exactly what you want, but it gives you a sort of broad picture
[06:27] <W3BMAST3R101> Yo. In ubuntu do you have to update config files manually or are they automatic?
[06:27] <W3BMAST3R101> **err or do they automatically update?
[06:27] <bob2> depends what you want to do
[06:27] <W3BMAST3R101> what choices are there?
[06:27] <hams> i get an error from mount, no device /dev/loop#
[06:28] <bob2> hams: modprobe loop
[06:28] <bob2> W3BMAST3R101: what are you asking?
[06:28] <bob2> do you mean "Does Ubuntu use GUI tools to configure every possible program?"?
[06:29] <W3BMAST3R101> bob2: if you upgrade your system to the latest and greatest ubuntu does it also upgrade your config files
[06:29] <bob2> yes, it does
[06:29] <hams> bob2, thanks.
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:29] <W3BMAST3R101> *joy*
[06:29] <hams> hmm... no 'md' in the loadmodules file.
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?
[06:30] <W3BMAST3R101> and the second question is. Is it possible to compile open source programs by source code?
[06:30] <W3BMAST3R101> or is ubuntu binary?
[06:30] <OrangeSlice> whoa
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> W3BMAST3R101: yes, possible
[06:30] <farruinn> this is a gnu/linux distro we're talking about...
[06:31] <bob2> W3BMAST3R101: possible but usually pointless
[06:31] <bob2> hams: why do you want to stop it?
[06:31] <W3BMAST3R101> well i have been wondering when the 64 bit processors become mainstream will ubuntu still support the 32 bit architecture?
[06:32] <bob2> of course
[06:32] <W3BMAST3R101> or would the older platforms be forced to go to source based distros?
[06:32] <bob2> that would be pointless even in the medium-term
[06:32] <hams> bob2, i don't want it to mess with the RAID array, and two it doesn't seem to read it correctly anyways.
[06:32] <bob2> and "source-based distros" don't support more architectures than binary ones
[06:33] <bob2> debian and netbsd are both binary and the most portable unices in the world, afaik
[06:33] <W3BMAST3R101> hmm... I may look into ubuntu. Thanks for the help Bob.
[06:33] <Arion> How many people in here are in the US (more specifically, Central or North)?
[06:34] <OrangeSlice> aww, west coast doesn't count :(
[06:34] <Arion> Well, or west :
[06:34] <Arion> Fogot to add that in :
[06:34] <Arion> :P
[06:34] <Arion> Nah, for real though...
[06:34] <Arion> A friend of mine got a pretty good idea to kill two birds with one stone...
[06:35] <OrangeSlice> for what purposes are this demographic being used :p
[06:35] <Arion> Well two reasons...
[06:35] <Arion> 1.) To help distribute Linux
[06:35] <Arion> 2.) Money (the underlying factor of everything)
[06:36] <Arion> 3.) Something I just realized, to help save the schools (seeing as how most of them can't help themselves)
[06:37] <OrangeSlice> yes, we should raise our children on linux.
[06:37] <Arion> Anyway, I'm working on gettings things started in Florida, the guy that thought it up already has a meeting with the tech committee in Alabama.
[06:37] <OrangeSlice> nice
[06:37] <Arion> Thanks
[06:37] <Tomcat_> I think we should raise children on the most important... so it's Windows, Linux, Mac. :o
[06:37] <Arion> Lol
[06:37] <OrangeSlice> I never got my ShipIt cd's, but I had planned to talk to some people about switching :(
[06:37] <Arion> That may be true...
[06:38] <Arion> But in my home state, Alabama, the schools are going broke because noone wants to fund them
[06:38] <OrangeSlice> and MS wants millions of dollars :p
[06:38] <Arion> So, thereforeThe following error has occurred:
[06:38] <Arion> Exactly
[06:38] <Tomcat_> Oi.
[06:38] <Tomcat_> Different here in Germany...
[06:38] <OrangeSlice> free software is beautiful
[06:38] <Arion> Eh, blasted Trillian (can't wait to get rid of Windows)
[06:38] <Arion> And Linux is Open Source
[06:39] <Tomcat_> The schools do have not enough money... but Microsoft gives their OS out for free almost for universities and schools.
[06:39] <Arion> Heh
[06:39] <Arion> Didn't know that...
[06:39] <Tomcat_> Because they are being threatened badly by Linux here...
[06:39] <OrangeSlice> yes they are
[06:39] <Arion> Yes
[06:39] <Tomcat_> Many schools, cities, businesses use it...
[06:39] <Arion> And hopefully we'll be able to finish them off :)
[06:39] <Tomcat_> And especially universities... my uni practically runs on open source...
[06:39] <OrangeSlice> SuSE and Mandrake are both owned and primarily developed in germany, I think.
[06:40] <Arion> Anyway, I'll be back in a few...gotta change a few things
[06:40] <Tomcat_> Although all students can get nearly everything by MS (except Office) for free, with valid keys.
[06:40] <Tomcat_> OrangeSlice: Mandrake is French, but it's similar. :o
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> hey dudes, whats the use of "conmsole-data" update in hoary ?
[06:40] <OrangeSlice> er, right
[06:40] <OrangeSlice> I knew SuSE was
[06:40] <bob2> da_bon_bon: there's no changelog entry?
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i am sorry i dont know how to see it..
[06:41] <OrangeSlice> I had bad experiences with mandrake
[06:41] <Tomcat_> Yeah me too.
[06:41] <bob2> da_bon_bon: /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz
[06:42] <OrangeSlice> I went Win98 > RedHat > Win XP > Mandrake > Ubuntu
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i need to unzip it and then read ?
[06:42] <Tomcat_> I don't like SuSE and Mandrake... SuSE is "too much, too heavy, too big", Mandrake doesn't feel "right"... :O
[06:42] <OrangeSlice> and here I am, quite happy.
[06:42] <bob2> da_bon_bon: or use zless
[06:42] <OrangeSlice> I've been meaning to set up a gentoo box
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok.. and if i say "pgrep udev" and it gives a number oes it mean that its running fine ?
[06:43] <g> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[06:43] <bob2> g: and you ran that?
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> hey, on the wiki it says that on hoary apt automagically finds the mirror near u to dnld the package - but its not doing so for me. i get pathetic speeds - 500bytes/sec
[06:45] <OrangeSlice> I have a stupid question
[06:45] <Codyman> what package is needed for rhytmbox to be able to play mp3
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: i have a stupid answer.
[06:45] <farruinn> +tell Codyman about restrictedformats
[06:45] <OrangeSlice> orange@ubuntu ~/apps/DataWorkshop-1.1 $ java -jar DataWorkshop.jar
[06:45] <OrangeSlice> Can't access JAR file ``DataWorkshop.jar'': java.io.IOException: No such zip file DataWorkshop.jar
[06:45] <OrangeSlice> help me.
[06:45] <OrangeSlice> lol
[06:46] <aspro> OrangeSlice, is it in the directory your in?
[06:46] <OrangeSlice> yes
[06:46] <aspro> no idea then :)
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> hey, on the wiki it says that on hoary apt automagically finds the mirror near u to dnld the package - but its not doing so for me. i get pathetic speeds - 500bytes/sec. how do i enable that facility ?
[06:46] <Codyman> thank you farruinn
[06:46] <OrangeSlice> blasted java.
[06:47] <Dreamer3> da_bon_bon: maybe selectmirror or something? but i'm thinking debian, not ubuntu, not sure
[06:47] <Dreamer3> da_bon_bon: dpkg -l | grep mirror and see if you get anything useful
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: it /automagically/ finds..
[06:48] <Dreamer3> da_bon_bon: well, you just said that wasn't working... so... *shrugs*
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: i meant that it does not automagically find - as it says that it must
[06:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: where does it say that?
[06:49] <bob2> and I'd suspect that would only happen for new installs
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> bob2: just a sec
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> bob2, Dreamer3: Users of Hoary should automagically discover their nearest / best package mirror and use that. on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/view?searchterm=mirrors
[06:52] <Amaranth> farruinn: Get the PM?
[06:53] <farruinn> yes, sweet =)
[06:54] <hams> ok i modified /etc/mdadm/debian.conf and changed START_DAEMON and AUTOSTART to false, that seems to squelch md
[06:55] <farruinn> good night folks
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2, Dreamer3: what say ?
[06:56] <martine> hi everyone!
[06:57] <martine> i'm having some problems with locales and i was wondering if anyone here would be able to help...
[06:58] <martine> i can't seem to get any programs to use any language other than english, despite reconfiguring my locales and installing a lang pack.
[06:58] <Dreamer3> da_bon_bon: i told you what to try
[06:58] <bob2> da_bon_bon: meh
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> bob2: meh ?
[07:03] <bob2> martine: don't do that
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> bob2: whats meh ?
[07:03] <bob2> nevermind.
[07:04] <martine> i couldn't tell if you were ignoring me or if i was lagged.
[07:04] <martine> but it's the former!
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> "<bob2> nevermind. " me ?
[07:04] <bob2> lord
[07:04] <bob2> nevermind
[07:04] <bob2> = I have no idea
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> whats the fastest ubuntu packages mirror ?
[07:07] <Codyman> ok.. rhythmbox is reporting that it "could not open resource for writing" and "could not pause playback"
[07:08] <Mr_Smiley> is the sound server used only for those annoying sounds?
[07:08] <Codyman> yesss
[07:08] <Mr_Smiley> well i'll kill it then :)
[07:08] <Codyman> thank you
[07:08] <Codyman> kill two birds with one stone
[07:08] <Mr_Smiley> lol
[07:08] <Mr_Smiley> ?
[07:08] <Codyman> i'm assuming the "bongo drums" deal is hogging the soundcard
[07:09] <andy> anyone had anyluck installing Point2Play/Cedega and World of Warcraft
[07:09] <Mr_Smiley> it could be Codyman it works now?
[07:09] <Mr_Smiley> i've installed point2play/cedega but not world of warcraft
[07:09] <Codyman> just declick "sounds for events" right?
[07:09] <Mr_Smiley> i just unticked enable sound server startup
[07:10] <Mr_Smiley> but yes that should do it
[07:10] <andy> yeh that part i can do to ..seems P2P/cedega dont like the 2.6 kernel
[07:10] <Mr_Smiley> :(
[07:10] <andy> when it comes to the game install that is
[07:10] <Mr_Smiley> what happens?
[07:10] <Codyman> Mr_Smiley: do i need to logout/restart for it to reconfigure itself.. still not working
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> Mr_Smiley: u a registered transgaming user ?
[07:10] <Mr_Smiley> maybe Codyman i'm not sure :)
[07:11] <andy> absolutely bloody nuthin
[07:11] <Mr_Smiley> yeah i am da_bon_bon
[07:11] <Codyman> i guess i'll restart then just for kicks
[07:11] <Mr_Smiley> da_bon_bon: why do you ask?
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> Mr_Smiley: coz 90% of the cedega users use stolen copies.
[07:12] <Mr_Smiley> damn that sucks
[07:12] <Mr_Smiley> i like to support them
[07:12] <andy> hell yeh am registered
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> :) i dont use it - gaming sucks
[07:13] <Mr_Smiley> hehe yeah i don't game much anymore :)
[07:13] <andy> there is an FC3 2.6 kernel workaround but seems no one has got to the debian variety yet :-/
[07:13] <Amaranth> it's basically the same as the official version just without p2p and the copy protection stuff
[07:13] <Mr_Smiley> yeah
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> copy protection stuff ?
[07:14] <andy> i'm really keen to give Ubuntu a go for WoW..would really suck if i had to go back to FC3
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> whats the latest cedega version ?
[07:15] <andy> 4.2.1
[07:17] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  Will dbus-0.23.1 make it into hoary anytime soon?  I noticed that the latest beagle requires it?  Also, do the latest hoary kernels have inotify-0.18?
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?query=cedega&submit.x=0&submit.y=0 see how easy it is to get cedega ? :P
[07:17] <hawke> ficusplanet: beagle?
[07:17] <Mr_Smiley> da_bon_bon: why would you post that?
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> ficusplanet: better ask on #ubuntu-devel
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> Mr_Smiley: so that people who want may get it.. (i am a devil ? )
[07:18] <ficusplanet> hawke: New search tech for GNOME.
[07:18] <Mr_Smiley> :(
[07:18] <hawke> ficusplanet: ah, neat.
[07:19] <ficusplanet> hawke: http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/
[07:19] <andy> Mr_Smiley: its well worth the $5 US a month to support em mate
[07:20] <Amaranth> ficusplanet: I'm pretty sure they have inotify.
[07:20] <FAST> anyone else have this problem?    a web page w/ embedded mp3 launches xmms to play it, or if xmms is open, it has an error, and clears the whole playlist
[07:20] <ficusplanet> Amaranth: They do, but I wasn't sure if they had the latest inotify patch.
[07:20] <OrangeSlice> embedded mp3's are evil
[07:20] <Amaranth> ficusplanet: *shrug*, TIAS :)
[07:20] <OrangeSlice> but try installing the mplayer plugin
[07:21] <OrangeSlice> it should handle media from within the browser
[07:21] <ficusplanet> Amaranth: I've played with earlier versions of beagle but it would use over 500MB of ram in less than a few seconds.
[07:21] <Amaranth> ficusplanet: Yeah, they say the new version can run a couple days before killing your machine.
[07:25] <Mr_Smiley> andy: yeah i know $5 US a month is cheaper than buying windows
[07:26] <cybane> Hey all I am a first time user of Linux and I chose Ubuntu dunno why but did it
[07:26] <OrangeSlice> good choice.
[07:27] <OrangeSlice> now start figuring things out, and come here if you have a question :p
[07:27] <cybane> My brother suggested it to me
[07:27] <cybane> First question is how do I get rid of gnome and load up FVWM2
[07:28] <OrangeSlice> Can't answer that one, I use Gnome :)
[07:28] <cybane> Also, there needs to be a zen master on getting the damn geometery of the screen to be square
[07:28] <OrangeSlice> although I suspect it's as simple as installing the new window manager and changing some config files
[07:29] <OrangeSlice> er, desktop.  whatever
[07:31] <cybane> However, I also wanna get drop Gnome from my PC and I am kinda used to ummm System -> Add/Remove Programs lol
[07:31] <cybane> I think I might need a linux tut
[07:31] <OrangeSlice> Synaptic is your add/remove programs equivalent
[07:31] <OrangeSlice> only, it can actually ADD programs.  haha
[07:31] <jacquesmerde> are there any dangers of changing sources.list to hoary from warty, but diong an upgrade, and not a dist-upgrade?
[07:31] <OrangeSlice> it's in Computer > System > Synaptic
[07:32] <OrangeSlice> regular upgrade will upgrade everything except system components (i.e. gnome)
[07:32] <OrangeSlice> some software packages will not work if you install from hoary though
[07:32] <jacquesmerde> i wont break anything? last time i dist-upgraded from warty to hoary i broked stuff anyway
[07:33] <cybane> Does Ubuntu come loaded with PHP5 already?
[07:33] <OrangeSlice> ubuntu is pretty bare-bones ish
[07:33] <cybane> sweet
[07:33] <cybane> I get to customise!!
[07:33] <OrangeSlice> yes
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> hey, why does my sound not work in wine ? windows program dont even detect the card! :(
[07:35] <OrangeSlice> I've never gotten sound in wine
[07:35] <OrangeSlice> but why do you need it :p
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: to play my win. games
[07:35] <jacquesmerde> ooh, facile question, i switched themes from default to some strange one, then back, now default seems to give me graphical x's from half my icons...
[07:35] <OrangeSlice> use WineX?
[07:35] <andy> how do i change the colour depth of the desktop?
[07:35] <Codyman> when i get a "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" i'm assuming I don't have a compiler.. what file(s) do i need
[07:35] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon, you realise there ARE linux versions of freecell and minesweeper!
[07:36] <OrangeSlice> Codyman: you need gcc and possible g++
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: not of re-volt and counter-strike-1,6
[07:36] <Codyman> orange: ok thanks
[07:36] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: counterstrike works on linux?? man, i think i just had an orgasm
[07:36] <OrangeSlice> yes, yes it does
[07:36] <andy> yeh u can play those under P2P/Cedega  ;)
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> andy: plain old wine
[07:36] <OrangeSlice> I believe counterstrike is supported by both wine and cedega
[07:36] <jacquesmerde> is it hard to get working?
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: yes, just run the wine-config-sidenet script
[07:37] <jacquesmerde> oh wait...i guess you still have to OWN a copy first...
[07:37] <cybane> cool gnome auto mounts my cdrom drives for me?
[07:37] <jacquesmerde> i'll stick to freecell then
[07:37] <OrangeSlice> mine used to automount
[07:37] <OrangeSlice> it quit for no reason a few weeks ago
[07:37] <cybane> lol
[07:37] <OrangeSlice> not that I mind mounting it manually though
[07:37] <cybane> Now if I can just get an XMMS icon
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: counter strike nosteam is free.
[07:38] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: why are you so desperate for sound in wine? do you REALLY need to hear your 12 year old cstriek opponents call eachother "fags"?
[07:38] <OrangeSlice> http://pwned.nl
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: i know.
[07:39] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: i play with bots, not online
[07:39] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: whats the non-steam version?i don't even have to own half-life?
[07:39] <andy> i changed colour depth last night (was pissed at the time)..someone please tell me how i did it
[07:39] <cybane> I love Ubuntu so much better than FreeBSD for a first time user
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: nothing. its  illegal, bewarned
[07:40] <jacquesmerde> andy: well first you had a couple of beers, then you switched to shooters...
[07:40] <andy> i hear steam are gonna release a bot patch for CS
[07:41] <andy> haha..nope just lots of victoria Bitter
[07:41] <ions> any suggestions on a good sources.list for Warty?
[07:41] <cybane> How would I go about getting PHP5 for my Computer.  The Synaptic thing only had PHP4
[07:41] <jacquesmerde> andy: vb is the ultimate summer beer
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> how do i compile wineX under lin ?
[07:42] <andy> ultimate anytime beer
[07:42] <jacquesmerde> andy: i can't stomach vb in winter or on a cold day
[07:42] <andy> in fact i'm going down to the local soon to imbibe a few
[07:42] <jacquesmerde> andy: what's your local?
[07:43] <andy> Windaroo Tavern..Beenleigh
[07:43] <jacquesmerde> can anyone tell me how to get my system icons back? otherwise i'm just gonna have to reinstall ubuntu from scratch AGAIN
[07:43] <OrangeSlice> which icons
[07:43] <OrangeSlice> desktop icons?
[07:44] <jacquesmerde> from switching themes and back, i've lost the "show desktop" icon in the bottom left, and a few icons in my "computer" folder up the top...
[07:45] <jacquesmerde> like, the one for "system configuration" and the one for my home directory, mounted devices etc...
[07:45] <Codyman> OrangeSlice: thank you.. now it is nagging about (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2) ... what apt-get install xyz file is that
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu dont have CVS ?!!
[07:46] <chaosmind> i've sworn off switching themes after the last reinstall of Ubuntu...
[07:46] <jacquesmerde> if i'm gonna have to reinstall ubuntu to fix it, i'd rather do it sooner than later
[07:46] <jacquesmerde> chaosmind: me too
[07:46] <chaosmind> once your set of icons/theme elements get hosed, so is your desktop!
[07:46] <OrangeSlice> Codyman: try installing libgtk2.0-dev
[07:47] <chaosmind> ubuntu needs a "restore desktop" theme that catches all font settings, icons, etc.
[07:47] <ions> I get an odd error when I try and install bluefish
[07:47] <OrangeSlice> I've never had problems switching fonts
[07:47] <Codyman> OrangeSlice: Bingo
[07:47] <OrangeSlice> er, themes
[07:47] <ions> and other stuff too actually
[07:47] <ions>   bluefish: Depends: libpcre3 (>= 4.5) but it is not installable
[07:47] <jacquesmerde> chaosmind: that's exactly what i was thinking....since necessity is the mother of invention i was hoping it existed...
[07:48] <OrangeSlice> install bluefish from source
[07:48] <OrangeSlice> I don't think the repository has version 1.0
[07:48] <chaosmind> i've usually had good look switching themes, until about 20 or 30 deep, and then I try to get back to something clean...
[07:48] <OrangeSlice> well, you'll have to fetch that library anyway
[07:48] <cybane> So if I want PHP5 I am going to have to download the source code and compile and install myself correct?
[07:48] <chaosmind> ... and something nasty is still hanging around.
[07:48] <ions> I don't want to install from source
[07:48] <chaosmind> a restore option would be nice
[07:48] <ions> I want to use the package manager
[07:48] <OrangeSlice> programs work better if you install from source
[07:49] <jacquesmerde> chaosmind, are you safe if you just stick to themes in the gnome-themes package etc and not use random themes from gnome-look etc?
[07:49] <ions> I don't want to install from source
[07:49] <cybane> Ubuntu only has support php4 in the pkg mngr
[07:49] <chaosmind> webmin works *vastly* better if you install from source!
[07:49] <chaosmind> jacquesmerde (heh!), yes!
[07:49] <jacquesmerde> chaosmind, so you support my decision to reinstall ubuntu from scratch again to get my stuff back?
[07:49] <chaosmind> clean themes==safer
[07:50] <chaosmind> ....
[07:50] <chaosmind> question of time!
[07:50] <chaosmind> if you can backup your home easily, yes.
[07:50] <jacquesmerde> well, bye chaosmind, all, i'm off to wipe this partition clean...ciao!
[07:50] <Echylo> any idea why my ubuntu removed libmikmod & made xmms unusable that way?
[07:50] <chaosmind> peace!
[07:50] <OrangeSlice> package conflicts?
[07:50] <chaosmind> Echylo: warty or hoary?
[07:50] <jacquesmerde> my home is still practically empty, hence wipe it now
[07:50] <Echylo> warty
[07:50] <Echylo> btw
[07:51] <chaosmind> =)
[07:51] <Echylo> is it safe to update to hoary ?
[07:51] <Echylo> on a clean installation ofcourse
[07:51] <Echylo> or is it still broken?
[07:51] <chaosmind> ... architechture?
[07:51] <Echylo> i386
[07:51] <chaosmind> i've had problems w/my home AMD 64
[07:51] <Echylo> x86
[07:51] <chaosmind> but my PPC notebook went well...
[07:51] <jacquesmerde> Echylo, just what i'm wondering. i've tried a dist-upgrade, and it broke me. i'm wondering if just an upgrade would keep things unbroken...
[07:52] <Echylo> hmm
[07:52] <chaosmind> and PPC tends to be screwed for linux!
[07:52] <Echylo> I gonna install ubuntu on a new partition then
[07:52] <Echylo> en try it on that
[07:52] <OrangeSlice> naw, my friend put gentoo on an old powerbook g3
[07:52] <OrangeSlice> and it works fine
[07:52] <Echylo> I'm planning to make a lfs
[07:52] <Echylo> but will be a though road :p
[07:52] <chaosmind> but last i tried hoary on AMD64 was Array 3
[07:52] <chaosmind> Array 5 came out today.
[07:53] <chaosmind> good time to test, especially w/Live CD...
[07:53] <jacquesmerde> Array5 is just a sweetspot-snapshot, yeah?
[07:53] <chaosmind> nothing before Array5 worked on my PowerBook
[07:53] <cybane> For a beginner to Linux would it be best to learn to compile from source code?
[07:53] <Sye> Hello hello :)
[07:53] <cybane> sup Sye
[07:53] <chaosmind> =)
[07:53] <OrangeSlice> compiling from source is not hard
[07:53] <Echylo> hmm cybane, I don't know, it's a frustrating road to take :p
[07:54] <Echylo> if you need to solve depencies etc
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> apt-get build-dep <package> :p
[07:54] <chaosmind> cybane: depends on whether or not the beginner to linux is also a beginner to DOS or BASIC!
[07:54] <Echylo> pfuh
[07:54] <Echylo> :p
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> or the fun way
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> find all the required libs, and install them from source!
[07:55] <Sye> I agree with chaosmind... if you've got a text os background, it isn't that bad
[07:55] <chaosmind> but .configure;make;make install is essential to learn!
[07:55] <chaosmind> yes, t'anks Sye!
[07:55] <OrangeSlice> no no, /make all/ :p
[07:55] <chaosmind> =)
[07:55] <Echylo> I always worked with confi.. on mandrake
[07:56] <chaosmind> one of the beauty things about Ubutntu is a really polished Synaptic...
[07:56] <Sye> my main computer (ubuntu) has died on me. Hardware, not software
[07:56] <chaosmind> love the MacOS ease-of-use for apt-get kind of polish!
[07:56] <cybane> When I am using Gnome I feel like I am on a Mac
[07:57] <chaosmind> gnome is good Mac-UI, but *great* Windows 3.1 keyboard-command functionality  ;-)
[07:57] <OrangeSlice> one of the best things about linux in general (well, debian anyway) is having thousands of software packages available in neatly organized repositories.
[07:57] <OrangeSlice> customize your gnome :p
[07:57] <chaosmind> OrangeSlice: though package-dependancies still haunt us....
[07:57] <OrangeSlice> mine doesn't look like mac os :O
[07:57] <cybane> well I just finished installing Ubuntu like 10mins ago
[07:57] <OrangeSlice> mine looks like awesome
[07:58] <chaosmind> a good desktop pic and the right font size go a long way...  =)
[07:58] <cybane> first thing I did was hit up the internet browser to google and found out how to install XMMS
[07:58] <OrangeSlice> ubuntu comes with xmms I think
[07:58] <Sye> no, I don't think it does
[07:58] <OrangeSlice> of course, there's also Open Terminal > apt-get install xmms libmikmod
[07:58] <chaosmind> i wish i could get DVD playing going under PPC or AMD64 architechtures, tho'...
[07:58] <cybane> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:59] <OrangeSlice> viola! xmms.
[07:59] <Echylo> cybane
[07:59] <cybane> what does that mean?
[07:59] <Echylo> you miss
[07:59] <Echylo> libmikmod
[07:59] <Cerberus> OrangeSlice, no it does not come with xmms
[07:59] <Echylo> I had the error today
[07:59] <OrangeSlice> hm, thought it did
[07:59] <Cerberus> but it is installed as easy as "apt-get install xmms
[07:59] <Echylo> but yea synaptic is easy to solve :p
[07:59] <Cerberus> ;)
[07:59] <OrangeSlice> gui's are for losers :p
[07:59] <Cerberus> my problem with gnome is
[07:59] <Echylo> I hope I can leave my computer alone with you :P
[07:59] <Cerberus> it looks so big
[07:59] <Cerberus> :)
[08:00] <Echy|School> bleh
[08:00] <Echy|School> almost no lessons today
[08:00] <Echy|School> still gtg
[08:00] <OrangeSlice> oh that's right, ubuntu came with rhythmbox.
[08:00] <OrangeSlice> silly me
[08:00] <Cerberus> why the hell are gui's for losers
[08:00] <OrangeSlice> terminal > all
[08:00] <Echy|School> cause it's not the linux spirit :P
[08:00] <cybane> prolly cuz command line is more powerful
[08:00] <OrangeSlice> that's right.
[08:00] <Cerberus> pfffffff
[08:01] <Cerberus> i need firefox
[08:01] <chaosmind> oh, CLI v. GUI, my favorite flame-war!!  ;-)
[08:01] <Echy|School> haha
[08:01] <cybane> So is there a way to start up XMMS without having to open a Terminal?
[08:01] <Echy|School> k cya all
[08:01] <OrangeSlice> well a GUI is acceptable for some things
[08:01] <chaosmind> next: the emacs v. vi slugfest!
[08:01] <Cerberus> i open a terminal if i need something changed
[08:01] <Echy|School> alt + F2 cybane
[08:01] <Echy|School> then type xmms
[08:01] <Cerberus> but i can't surf websites with lynx sorry ;)
[08:01] <Echy|School> and smash enter
[08:01] <OrangeSlice> sure you can
[08:01] <OrangeSlice> lynx is the best
[08:02] <OrangeSlice> none of those annoying images
[08:02] <ions> apt-get is failing on just about everything I try
[08:02] <Cerberus> lol :-)
[08:02] <ions> bluefish, gftp
[08:02] <chaosmind> hey Echy|School: have you run Moodle on Ubuntu?
[08:02] <ions> gnump3d
[08:02] <OrangeSlice> and when people send you a link with some nasty pic, you can just laugh
[08:02] <Echy|School> no why?
[08:02] <Cerberus> ions, had that to did you added extra repositorys
[08:02] <chaosmind> ah, you had school in the name...
[08:02] <Echy|School> and what is moodle?
[08:03] <cybane> why is there a lock on my icons for my mp3s that I just copied over from my CDs
[08:03] <ata> I'm trying to check my video settings with glxgears, but it seg faults on me every time. glxinfo does the same. any hints on how to debug?
[08:03] <chaosmind> moodle is a content-management stuff for online classes
[08:03] <Echy|School> cause you can't acces them with your account cybane
[08:03] <OrangeSlice> you don't have write permissions
[08:03] <Echy|School> change the permissions
[08:03] <OrangeSlice> chmod 777 *.mp3
[08:03] <chaosmind> i wish it were it Ubuntu's Synaptic repositories
[08:03] <ata> i'm using the nvidia driver
[08:03] <OrangeSlice> or, uh, through nautilus
[08:03] <ions> I added the extra repos listed here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:03] <Pluk> cybane, cuz files on cd? are write protected, and you copied them without changed permissions
[08:03] <bascule> 777? 755
[08:04] <OrangeSlice> oh yeah, 777 gives you execute
[08:04] <Cerberus> yes those are the ones ions, weird it goes wrong then :s
[08:04] <OrangeSlice> I've been working with bash scripts a bunch, and keep using 777
[08:04] <cybane> so I need to do that in the Terminal?
[08:04] <Cerberus> can't help you any further i thought that was the problem =(
[08:04] <OrangeSlice> no, the file manager can do it
[08:04] <OrangeSlice> but using the terminal makes you sexy
[08:05] <OrangeSlice> and women will be all over you
[08:05] <OrangeSlice> if you can work that terminal
[08:05] <Echy|School> the ugly ones
[08:05] <Echy|School> :p
[08:05] <Cerberus> lol OrangeSlice
[08:05] <Zombiee> ?
[08:05] <Cerberus> my girlfriend only uses MSN
[08:05] <Cerberus> ;)
[08:05] <cybane> the weird thing is if the files didn't come over why are they showing up when I ls the dir
[08:05] <Echy|School> sorry If I make some1 mad
[08:05] <Echy|School> :p
[08:05] <Cerberus> she does not even know Linux :)
[08:06] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[08:06] <Echy|School> cya all really gtg now
[08:06] <Echy|School> gotta run :p
[08:06] <Cerberus> lol :)
[08:06] <Cerberus> bye Echy|School
[08:07] <cybane> okay kinda confused on what I am supposed to do here
[08:09] <cybane> So do I have to chmod on the files that have been copied or do I need to do it before I copy anything
[08:10] <OrangeSlice> after copying
[08:10] <OrangeSlice> and you can highlight them in nautilus and rclick > properties > permissions
[08:10] <OrangeSlice> you don't /have/ to use chmod from a terminal
[08:11] <cybane> I went to terminal anyway
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> good ;)
[08:11] <cybane> it did all the files at once
[08:11] <cybane> So what would have happened if I didn't do a chmod on the files
[08:12] <cybane> I could still play them with the lock on their icon
[08:12] <OrangeSlice> not much
[08:12] <OrangeSlice> the lock means, in windows terms, read only.
[08:12] <cybane> lol
[08:12] <OrangeSlice> i.e. you can't modify it
[08:13] <OrangeSlice> so you can still open/view the files
[08:13] <cybane> nothing happens it just blinks at me!@!
[08:14] <cybane> what file holds extension file associations(sp)?
[08:14] <OrangeSlice> none.  lol
[08:14] <cybane> Sorry win XP still in me
[08:15] <Zombiee> @"@
[08:15] <OrangeSlice> rclick on a file and use Open with other application
[08:15] <OrangeSlice> then choose one.  you can set the default for that type in the properties
[08:16] <OrangeSlice> and why does xmms-infopipe not read AAC bitrate properly?
[08:16] <OrangeSlice> lol
[08:16] <OrangeSlice> Playing: The Eagles (Desperado) Doolin Dalton (2:29 / 3:33) @ -1kbps
[08:16] <OrangeSlice> negative one!
[08:16] <Mr_Smiley> lol
[08:16] <Mr_Smiley> nice bitrate
[08:16] <OrangeSlice> outputs musepack bitrate just fine
[08:16] <OrangeSlice> and mp3
[08:17] <OrangeSlice> but I load up an m4a and... it doesn't :p
[08:17] <OrangeSlice> oh well
[08:18] <Mr_Smiley> hehe
[08:18] <cybane> I will have to say the sound and graphics on a linux box are a lot better than what I had on Windows
[08:18] <cybane> it looks a lot cleaner
[08:18] <OrangeSlice> :)
[08:18] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[08:19] <cybane> I dunno why but Gnome is starting to grow on me
[08:19] <OrangeSlice> see now this MP3's bitrate is shown just fine
[08:19] <OrangeSlice> maybe infopipe can't read aac.
[08:19] <cybane> I just wish there was an easy eay to get my monitor geometery to square up properly
[08:19] <OrangeSlice> that's done in the actual monitor
[08:19] <OrangeSlice> you don't have buttons or dials to change that?
[08:20] <cybane> I do it is just a bitch to get it plum
[08:20] <cybane> wish I had a vitrual level
[08:21] <Zombiee> o.o?
[08:23] <OrangeSlice> lol
[08:23] <OrangeSlice> use a real one :p
[08:23] <cybane> LOL
[08:23] <cybane> I think they would drive me more nuts
[08:23] <Mr_Smiley> lol
[08:24] <cybane> the only thing that sucks about using Linux is that I can't play Kotor anymore
[08:24] <OrangeSlice> games are overrated
[08:24] <jesuel> cybane: cedega
[08:24] <jesuel> emulution!
[08:24] <jesuel> errr emulation ;p
[08:24] <OrangeSlice> then again, I've always been a console gamer
[08:24] <cybane> Well another reason for me using Linux is I am trying to kick the MMORPG habit
[08:24] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[08:24] <jesuel> cybane: which mmorpg?
[08:25] <cybane> Name any 3d MMORPG and I have prolly played it
[08:25] <jesuel> well cedega will let you play almost all of them :)
[08:25] <OrangeSlice> no it won't
[08:25] <Zombiee> junk... it is
[08:25] <jesuel> uhm
[08:25] <jesuel> it worked with wow/eq/daoc
[08:26] <jesuel> not ffxi though
[08:26] <OrangeSlice> look at their application database
[08:26] <jesuel> I didnt try eq2 though.
[08:26] <OrangeSlice> there's like 10-12 games that are fully supported
[08:26] <jesuel> lol
[08:27] <cybane> I didn't try EQ2 either
[08:27] <cybane> I have sworn to never play any game developed or run by SOE ent
[08:27] <jesuel> I played in beta, didnt like it too much.
[08:27] <Zombiee> What's that? o.oa
[08:27] <OrangeSlice> console games > pc games
[08:27] <cybane> WoW = steaming pile of crap
[08:27] <cybane> More free content for PC games than Console games
[08:27] <jesuel> matrix online is kinda fun :)
[08:27] <OrangeSlice> lol
[08:28] <OrangeSlice> mod your console ;)
[08:28] <OrangeSlice> download all the games you want
[08:28] <cybane> or just get a dreamcast lol
[08:28] <cybane> hell you can put NETBSD on it
[08:28] <OrangeSlice> yeah, there's specialized linux distros for xbox and gamecube
[08:28] <cybane> PS2 too
[08:29] <Zombiee> linux on ps2
[08:29] <OrangeSlice> never heard of linux on ps2 :p
[08:29] <cybane> Sony even sells a linux kit for PS2
[08:29] <Zombiee> !
[08:29] <OrangeSlice> don't use the official one, lol
[08:29] <OrangeSlice> it keeps the copy protection
[08:29] <Zombiee> !!
[08:29] <cybane> I saw a webserver that was clustered from 4 XBoxes
[08:29] <OrangeSlice> the whole point is to bypass that and play burned games :p
[08:29] <OrangeSlice> well, except in the case of xbox
[08:30] <jesuel> mmm xbox cluster!
[08:30] <Zombiee> XBox clusters?
[08:30] <cybane> yeah
[08:30] <cybane> google it
[08:30] <cybane> you know the only thing that sucks about all thie knowledge of php5 and I can't even use it very much
[08:30] <cybane> Webhosting is expensive
[08:31] <jesuel> it is?
[08:31] <cybane> If you want anything besides crap it is
[08:31] <cybane> Plus, I would rather have a static IP and do my own domain name registration
[08:32] <cybane> they say the domain name is 3.95 but they don;t tell you the $70 fee that they have to pay
[08:32] <cybane> which they pass on to you
[08:33] <OrangeSlice> oh yeah, if anyone wants it: http://orangeslice.datamachine.net/stuff/xmmsinfo
[08:33] <OrangeSlice> it does this :p
[08:33] <OrangeSlice> Playing: Pink Floyd (The Dark Side Of The Moon) 08 - Brain Damage (2:32 / 3:50) @ 224kbps
[08:34] <OrangeSlice> everyone loves things to spam what they're currently playing
[08:34] <OrangeSlice> so I wrote one for xmms
[08:34] <OrangeSlice> lol
[08:34] <Rattboi> beep is better
[08:34] <ata> i'm having the opengl-blues. all glx-enabled programs seg fault on me. i'm using the nvidia driver
[08:35] <OrangeSlice> well, it just uses the xmms-infopipe plugin
[08:35] <OrangeSlice> which works with beep also
[08:35] <Rattboi> yeah
[08:35] <Rattboi> figured
[08:35] <OrangeSlice> it's a very simple script
[08:35] <Rattboi> paste it somewhere
[08:35] <Rattboi> is it perl?
[08:35] <OrangeSlice> shell ;)
[08:35] <Rattboi> bash?
[08:35] <Rattboi> I don't know much about shell scripting
[08:36] <OrangeSlice> it grabs the infopipe output and pipes it through grep/sed to make it readable, then sticks it in the clipboard
[08:36] <Rattboi> could you paste it somewhere? Like... http://www.rafb.net/paste/ ?
[08:36] <OrangeSlice> uh, I linked to it
[08:37] <OrangeSlice> but sure
[08:38] <Rattboi> you linked to it where?
[08:38] <OrangeSlice> http://orangeslice.datamachine.net/stuff/xmmsinfo
[08:38] <Rattboi> oh
[08:39] <Rattboi> didn't read up enough
[08:39] <Rattboi> sorry
[08:39] <Kream> dreamhost is a good webhost
[08:39] <OrangeSlice> yeah, it should work as-is
[08:39] <OrangeSlice> uses /tmp for the *cough* temporary file it creates :p
[08:40] <Rattboi> why not rm /tmp/xmmsread at the end of the script?
[08:40] <jesuel> grr.. download going slow..
[08:41] <OrangeSlice> I was having some output problems early on
[08:41] <OrangeSlice> it works the way it is, I'm leaving it alone.  lol
[08:41] <Rattboi> yeah
[08:41] <Rattboi> doesn't matter
[08:41] <jesuel> mumble, 141KB/sec
[08:41] <OrangeSlice> and I swear, sed is needlessly complicated when you need to do anything other than replace text
[08:42] <Rattboi> I don't know
[08:42] <OrangeSlice> see that insane sed line towards the end?
[08:42] <Rattboi> I'm not that good with that stuff yet
[08:42] <Rattboi> I just figured out grep, for god's sake
[08:42] <OrangeSlice> all that, to find/replace carriage return/endlines.
[08:42] <OrangeSlice> with emptiness
[08:42] <Rattboi> like I said, I dont know shell scripting stuff or any of that
[08:42] <Agrajag> OrangeSlice: wanna see something probably worse than what you're doing?
[08:42] <Agrajag> http://student.ucr.edu/~abneyw01/xmmsout.c
[08:42] <Rattboi> relatively new to unix style commands
[08:42] <Agrajag> I don't know why I did it in C
[08:43] <OrangeSlice> yeah I went for simple
[08:43] <OrangeSlice> alt+f2 > xmmsinfo > paste
[08:43] <OrangeSlice> works for me
[08:43] <Agrajag> ubt with this I can be annoying on IRC with /exec -o
[08:43] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[08:44] <OrangeSlice> the only thing I'd like to add would be codec info, but infopipe doesn't display it
[08:44] <goli> on a fresh install of ubuntu...evolution hangs when i try to read attachments or attach files to mail...i have apt-get upgraded to 2.0.2...but it still freezes and the last debug line is "(evolution:10981): Bonobo-WARNING **: non dirty node, but widget mismatch a: 'placeholder:MailNextButtons', b: 'NULL:NULL' '0x84f6768'"....any idea what i am doing wrong?
[08:44] <cybane> do I need to be SU to compile from source?
[08:44] <Agrajag> OrangeSlice: wnna see soemthign even worse than that?
[08:44] <OrangeSlice> I thought about using the file extension and sed'ing it, but that would add needless bloat to the script
[08:45] <Agrajag> http://student.ucr.edu/~abneyw01/ underneath that picture is a script I wrote for muine
[08:45] <OrangeSlice> right now my output looks like this
[08:45] <OrangeSlice> Playing: Yasunori Mitsuda (Dark Chronicle Premium Arrange) Neverending Adventure (Rush's (0:11 / 3:36) @ 192kbps
[08:45] <OrangeSlice> which I think is quite nice for a few lines of shell ;)
[08:45] <OrangeSlice> and damn xmms for using ID3v1 :(
[08:45] <cybane> But why do people care what you are listening to?
[08:45] <OrangeSlice> yes
[08:46] <OrangeSlice> everyone cares!
[08:46] <cybane> lol
[08:46] <jesuel> they do?
[08:46] <jesuel> :)
[08:46] <OrangeSlice> actually, yeah.
[08:46] <Rattboi> I know I do
[08:46] <Orphan> :))))))
[08:46] <Agrajag> They do if you're in a channel about music
[08:46] <OrangeSlice> I listen to cool stuff
[08:46] <Rattboi> except when they listen to like...techno or anime shit
[08:46] <Rattboi> *stuff
[08:46] <jesuel> Hahaha
[08:46] <OrangeSlice> ^ video game music
[08:46] <jesuel> Well im listening to kmfdm atm :). Its very good!
[08:47] <Rattboi> oop, forgot video game music
[08:47] <Rattboi> put that with the anime
[08:47] <OrangeSlice> you suck :p
[08:47] <OrangeSlice> vgm rules
[08:47] <Rattboi> no, it doesnt
[08:47] <Rattboi> except metroid metal
[08:47] <Rattboi> and rpg themes
[08:47] <Rattboi> old old old rpg themes
[08:48] <mlambie> no one sleep in tokyo
[08:48] <mlambie> initial D :)
[08:48] <OrangeSlice> ew
[08:48] <jesuel> go excel saga
[08:48] <Orphan> how old?
[08:48] <cybane> when I am getting soruce is Unix source okay to get?
[08:48] <helio7> evening all; can anyone point me toward documentation that explains how to add alternate (non-gnome) desktop managers to the configuration file (don't know its name) so I may run a session in say, blackbox when I feel like it?  I realize it's googlable but I'm lacking good searching syntax
[08:49] <Agrajag> cybane: that's what you want to use
[08:49] <Orphan> xfce
[08:49] <helio7> I installed blackbox via synaptic, but am unsure of the simplest way to enable it
[08:50] <cybane> I am getting apache2 and decided I might as well use the terminal for this and get it via compile from source
[08:50] <Orphan> oh...
[08:51] <Rattboi> helio7, where did you get blackbox?
[08:51] <Orphan> piece of cake...
[08:51] <helio7> Rattboi via synaptic
[08:51] <Rattboi> it isn't in your list if you logout?
[08:51] <helio7> no
[08:51] <Rattboi> weird
[08:51] <Amaranth> UbuntuBot is a new info bot for the channel. Type +UbuntuBot for details.
[08:51] <Amaranth> No, this isn't a script. ;)
[08:51] <Rattboi> +UbuntuBot
[08:51] <UbuntuBot> UbuntuBot is http://realistanew.com/ubuntu.php
[08:51] <Amaranth> The bot is, my advertisement isn't.
[08:52] <bob2> please don't do that in the channel
[08:52] <cybane> ls
[08:52] <cybane> opps
[08:52] <Cerberus> can i install quanta
[08:52] <bob2>  /msg it if you want to talk to the bot
[08:52] <helio7> anyone else use anything other than gnome that could tell me how to add a 2ndary DM to the login screen/
[08:52] <Cerberus> when i'm not running KDE
[08:52] <Orphan> do what?
[08:52] <OrangeSlice> KDE!?
[08:52] <Amaranth> bob2: Want me to remove that functionalilty? Make it PM only?
[08:53] <Cerberus> yes can i install "quanta", something to create websites
[08:53] <bob2> Cerberus: er, yes?
[08:53] <bob2> Amaranth: just don't encourage people to use it in the channel so much
[08:53] <Cerberus> i'm not running KDE bob2
[08:53] <Cerberus> it sais
[08:53] <Cerberus> This package is part of the official KDE web development module.
[08:53] <bob2> Cerberus: so what?
[08:53] <Amaranth> hehe, didn't want to explain how the bot works since that entry explains it
[08:53] <bob2> it's just a program, it runs under X
[08:54] <Cerberus> ow
[08:54] <Cerberus> so it's not like
[08:54] <Amaranth> Cerberus: It'll run with GNOME.
[08:54] <Cerberus> it will not run in Gnoma
[08:54] <Cerberus> gnome
[08:54] <Cerberus> ok thx
[08:54] <Amaranth> Cerberus: KDE apps work in GNOME and GNOME apps work in KDE.
[08:54] <Cerberus> did not knew that :)
[08:54] <Orphan> ? @.@
[08:54] <sn0wman> kde blows ass
[08:55] <sn0wman> just thought i'd mention that
[08:55] <cybane> $ mv httpd-2.0.53.tar.gz /usr/src/
[08:55] <bob2> sn0wman: please reead the community code of conduct
[08:55] <Madeye> salam
[08:55] <sn0wman> lol
[08:55] <cybane> if I am in the working directory when I type that command the file should go to /usr/src/ correct?
[08:55] <OrangeSlice> hey, kde does suck.
[08:55] <Amaranth> OrangeSlice, sn0wman: You prefer GNOME or XFCE or whatever. Doesn't mean the others suck.
[08:55] <Orphan> xfce lol
[08:56] <bob2> cybane: yeah
[08:56] <OrangeSlice> perhaps, but kde is bloated and ugly
[08:56] <OrangeSlice> and slow
[08:56] <cybane> mv: cannot move `httpd-2.0.53.tar.gz' to `/usr/src/httpd-2.0.53.tar.gz': Permission denied <--that is what it spit back at me
[08:56] <bob2> cybane: but apache2 is in ubuntu...
[08:56] <sn0wman> Amaranth, yes i know, that's why i said i don't like it
[08:56] <OrangeSlice> does that not equal suck?
[08:56] <Orphan> m
[08:56] <bob2> OrangeSlice: please try to stay on-topic
[08:56] <OrangeSlice> aww :p
[08:56] <Amaranth> cybane: You need to use sudo
[08:56] <bob2> OrangeSlice: your negative opinions on random bits of software are a bit off-topic
[08:56] <cybane> bob I am trying to learn how to instal from source since this is my first time using Linux
[08:56] <OrangeSlice> yes I know
[08:56] <bob2> cybane: yes, you need root priveleges to write to /usr/src/.  but why are you moving it there anyway?
[08:57] <sn0wman> it's 3 in the morning.  is anything really on topic?
[08:57] <bob2> cybane: you can build software in your home dir instead (and that's recommended).
[08:57] <bob2> sn0wman: it's 1900 here.
[08:57] <jesuel> sn0wman: nope :)
[08:57] <sn0wman> oh
[08:57] <cybane> cuz my PHP5 book told me that is where I should movie it to
[08:57] <jesuel> ...
[08:57] <goli> on a fresh install of ubuntu...evolution hangs when i try to read attachments or attach files to mail...i have apt-get upgraded to 2.0.2...but it still freezes and the last debug line is "(evolution:10981): Bonobo-WARNING **: non dirty node, but widget mismatch a: 'placeholder:MailNextButtons', b: 'NULL:NULL' '0x84f6768'"....any idea what i am doing wrong?
[08:57] <sn0wman> sorry, it's "Thirsty Thursday here" :-)
[08:58] <bob2> cybane: ouch
[08:58] <bob2> cybane: well, you don't need to compile apache at all
[08:58] <cybane> gunzip httpd-2.0.53.tar.gz
[08:58] <cybane> damn it
[08:58] <bob2> cybane: and if you do want to compile, it's best to do it in ~/
[08:58] <otz> what's going on?
[08:58] <cybane> I am trying to install Apache2 from source code
[08:58] <cybane> been using Linux for about 2 hours now
[08:58] <Amaranth> cybane: why not sudo apt-get install apache2?
[08:59] <cybane> I want to learn how to install from source incase I can apt-get
[09:02] <cybane> is su the same as sudo
[09:02] <OrangeSlice> no
[09:03] <otz> o.o go ahead
[09:03] <Amaranth> ok, just found a problem with UbuntuBot
[09:04] <Amaranth> I have no idea whether or not cybane got the message from it
[09:05] <cybane> I got it
[09:05] <cybane> but it does not say explicitly the difference between sudo and su
[09:06] <jesuel> reboot time
[09:06] <io> I just switched from Gnome to XFCE and got myself in some keyboard trouble, ive got almost everything up and running now except the pipe key. <> works, but pipe wont, any ideas?
[09:06] <otz> what is difference?
[09:07] <cybane> # of keystrokes
[09:07] <otz> no idea
[09:07] <Amaranth> sudo gives you root for just that command
[09:07] <Amaranth> su is switch users
[09:07] <otz> orz
[09:07] <Amaranth> typing just su will get you to root
[09:08] <vi11e> what's a good p2p program to download porn films?
[09:08] <Amaranth> vi11e: ...
[09:08] <otz> su -c
[09:08] <cybane> okay so if I want to add a user not able to sudo do I not make them part of the wheel group?
[09:08] <vi11e> hmm is that a program or confused reply
[09:09] <Amaranth> cybane: I believe so.
[09:09] <vi11e> dcgui really is bugging with me and dcgui-qt version of ubuntu has known bugs so
[09:09] <vi11e> and I'm not into compiling
[09:10] <OrangeSlice> use DC++ with wine :)
[09:10] <OrangeSlice> I'm running the latest 0.670 just fine
[09:11] <vi11e> heh..
[09:11] <cybane> holy crap that is a lot of files
[09:11] <cybane> I just unpack my first tar.gz file
[09:12] <cybane> ls
[09:12] <membreya> is there any reason that nautilus applications:///Internet no longer works???
[09:14] <BadGuy> GNoppix,POS System,in trouble ,no HDD space to work with
[09:16] <BadGuy> Coulde some1 help I've never even used Nix before
[09:16] <bob2> BadGuy: what's your native language?
[09:16] <cybane> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:16] <cybane>  is this bad?
[09:17] <Agrajag> cybane: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:17] <rootcode> does having a root directory mounted over nfs put a lot of stress on the server?
[09:18] <bob2> the bigger issue is that it's a pain in the arse to get going on the clients
[09:18] <BadGuy> Jargon ,-)
[09:18] <cybane> when using ./configure should that be done as sudo?
[09:18] <OrangeSlice> no
[09:18] <bob2> cybane: no
[09:18] <OrangeSlice> you don't have to use sudo except for the 'make install' command
[09:19] <cybane> damn this command takes forever
[09:19] <rootcode> bob2, well I'd be using stateless linux, so much of the scripting is already written
[09:19] <OrangeSlice> it's changing the code so it will compile properly on your system
[09:19] <BadGuy> Im talking on a prototype cell network , its very hard to talk
[09:20] <cybane> so once that is done it is a sudo make install clean?
[09:20] <OrangeSlice> well no first you just run make
[09:20] <OrangeSlice> that will compile it
[09:20] <membreya> anyone here use firestarter?
[09:20] <cybane> k
[09:21] <cybane> this one takes awhile too?
[09:21] <cybane> I would just like to point out that you guys are a lot nicer than the people in the FreeBSD channel I was in earlier today
[09:21] <BadGuy> Im trying to run GNoppix on a old system
[09:22] <BadGuy> I'll second that!
[09:23] <BadGuy> The GNoppix Miniprototype
[09:23] <OrangeSlice> a good community is what makes free software work :)
[09:23] <cybane> damn this thing takes forever lol
[09:23] <BadGuy> Thats what im trying to install
[09:23] <michael> is security.ubuntu.com on the mirrors as well as archive.ubuntu.com?
[09:24] <cybane> so when I have done the make install command I can delete the directory that was made when I did the tar command?
[09:24] <OrangeSlice> yes
[09:24] <OrangeSlice> though it's good to keep it for a while
[09:24] <OrangeSlice> you can't uninstall the app easily if you don't
[09:25] <OrangeSlice> so if it doesn't work or something...
[09:26] <BadGuy> Anyone here use LiveCD Distribution's
[09:26] <OrangeSlice> the point being you can't use 'make uninstall' if it doesn't have something to remove :p
[09:27] <cybane> checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 2420: lex: command not found
[09:27] <cybane> configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up <--any thoughts?
[09:27] <bob2> cybane: install flex
[09:27] <bob2> cybane: this is why people try to avoid building stuff, btw...
[09:27] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[09:28] <michael> on ubuntu mirrors, is archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu mirrored at the same directory?
[09:28] <OrangeSlice> but it feels so good to compile for 2 hours
[09:28] <cybane> well there is no package for php5.0.3
[09:28] <cybane> so I have to do this one manual
[09:28] <linuxboy> How can I make sure Ubuntu is using my hard drives at UDMA-133 ?
[09:30] <BadGuy> LinuxBoy you know Microboy? ,-)
[09:30] <FAST> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:30] <FAST>   mplayer-586: Depends: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[09:30] <FAST> where's libarts in ?
[09:31] <OrangeSlice> search www.apt-get.org
[09:31] <linuxboy> BadGuy: nope
[09:31] <cybane> anyone know where I can an xml2-config file?
[09:31] <OrangeSlice> and (if found) add the line to your apt sources
[09:31] <cybane> configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation.
[09:31] <bottest> +Amaranth
[09:31] <UbuntuBot> Amaranth is my creator. His email is alleykat@gmail.com
[09:32] <cybane> However Synaptic says libxml2 is installed
[09:32] <BadGuy> lol
[09:32] <bottest> +Amaranth
[09:32] <delltony> question why is it under the open with tab you can add programs to open say mpegs like xine but you can not remove Totem? Totem simply doens't work for me so therefore i wish to remove it and make xine my default player any help on this would be great
[09:32] <OrangeSlice> totem is part of gnome
[09:32] <Amaranth> bob2: You should be setup with ban privledges now.
[09:32] <delltony> oh didn't know that
[09:32] <bob2> danke
[09:32] <bob2> FAST: mplayer isn't installable on warty any more
[09:32] <delltony> then how do you associate it to use xine as a backend?
[09:33] <Amaranth> bob2: Want to test it? :)
[09:33] <FAST> why's that?
[09:33] <OrangeSlice> install mplayer-xine
[09:33] <OrangeSlice> er
[09:33] <OrangeSlice> totem-xine
[09:33] <OrangeSlice> lol
[09:33] <Amaranth> bob2: +ban Amaranth
[09:33] <delltony> oh ok
[09:33] <OrangeSlice> getting sleepy
[09:33] <bob2> FAST: because the packages were for sarge and now they're binary incomptable
[09:33] <bob2> +foo
[09:33] <FAST> what is there that will play embedded media in web pages, then?
[09:33] <vi11e> hey what exactly means: file browser: internet <- where does this suggest me to go
[09:33] <BadGuy> Try setting up a ATA 100 RIG and test it out?
[09:34] <FAST> because its annoying when either totem or xine pops up to play some junk in a web page
[09:34] <OrangeSlice> to the internet?
[09:34] <Amaranth> FAST: It's either called mplayer-mozilla or mozilla-mplayer
[09:34] <vi11e> then it says file menu - create launcher .... where is this
[09:34] <bob2> Amaranth: he/she can't get mplayer
[09:34] <delltony> fast there was a thing on the forums or the wiki one i seen you could pinn to the hoary files and download mplayer
[09:34] <Amaranth> oh
[09:34] <Amaranth> bob2: +ban Amaranth please :)
[09:34] <OrangeSlice> or install mplayer from source
[09:34] <cybane> What is the best way to search my HDD for one specific file?
[09:34] <OrangeSlice> an actually get a user interface
[09:35] <OrangeSlice> cybane: menu, Computer > search for files
[09:35] <EvanCarroll> cybane: depends on how many times you need to search it
[09:35] <Amaranth> +foo
[09:35] <vi11e> hey can someone help me with this: file browser: internet  ; file menu -> create launcher  <--- I don't simply find these places...
[09:35] <Amaranth> vi11e: warty?
[09:36] <vi11e> hoary
[09:36] <Amaranth> I don't think those will work with hoary.
[09:36] <BadGuy> What about Micropau :~)
[09:36] <Amaranth> I haven't used it in about a month though so I dunno.
[09:36] <EvanCarroll> cybane: if only once you can do a simple "find / -name '*filename*'" if you need to search a bunch, run updatedb, and when it finishes, just run 'locate filename' and you get almost instant results
[09:36] <vi11e> maybe it's different in hoary, but in the ubuntuguide there is the warty herlp Amaranth
[09:36] <bob2> +ban Amaranth
[09:36] <Amaranth> +foo
[09:36] <Amaranth> ok, you're set
[09:36] <Amaranth> now +unban Amaranth ;)
[09:36] <bob2> +unban Amaranth
[09:36] <Amaranth> +foo
[09:36] <Amaranth> all good
[09:37] <vi11e> so where can I create that launcher in hoary if that place is not valid place in hoary
[09:37] <cybane> How do you get an sml2-config file?
[09:37] <Amaranth> someone starts spamming the channel and you can block them completely
[09:37] <cybane> err xml2-config
[09:37] <Amaranth> i couldn't even unban myself
[09:37] <delltony> i just found out somethign cool i didn't know was in firefox you can actually make keywords so i just type in linux and it brings up ubuntus page :) (i'm slow but hey i'm getting there)
[09:37] <vi11e> ohh got it now
[09:37] <bob2> cybane: probably libxml2-dev
[09:38] <Amaranth> delltony: You can make it do searches too. That's how the google search works (google word in the address bar)
[09:38] <cybane> k put that one in now lets see how far the ./configure gets
[09:38] <Amaranth> I have bug set to pull up the mozilla bug and gbug to pull up the gnome bug :)
[09:39] <delltony> thats cool used firefox for a while on windoze but didn't realize it did that
[09:39] <delltony> gotta love tabbin :)
[09:40] <bob2> cybane: 'sudo apt-get build-dep apache2' should install all the build depenednecies for you
[09:40] <delltony> thats one of the main reasons i like the browser other than the fact you don't get pounded by exploits
[09:40] <Dreamer3> delltony: how do you do that?
[09:40] <cybane> I did apache2 already
[09:40] <delltony> how do i do what?
[09:40] <cybane> I am installing php-5.0.3
[09:40] <Dreamer3> delltony: keywords
[09:40] <delltony> make a bookmark of the page
[09:40] <delltony> then go to its properties
[09:41] <delltony> and there is a thing that says keyword there
[09:41] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: It's a special bookmark.
[09:41] <delltony> might be a faster way but thats the only way i have found
[09:41] <Amaranth> You can use %s in the URL of the bookmark for a variable. That's how the google search works.
[09:41] <delltony> yeah i found that out the other day
[09:41] <BadGuy> I'll tell you all now K-Meleon
[09:42] <cybane> sweet some Juno Reactor just came on in my random
[09:42] <BadGuy> Is far superior
[09:42] <delltony> oh while i'm asking questions i read something about kubuntu is that officially by ubuntu or no?
[09:42] <bob2> delltony: no
[09:42] <bob2> delltony: it's a semi-seperate project
[09:42] <delltony> ok so let me ask this then is hoary gnome or kde? or pick one?
[09:43] <bob2> ubuntu's default is gnome
[09:43] <bob2> and will be for the forseeable future at least
[09:43] <delltony> ok thats fine
[09:43] <delltony> was just curious thanks for the info
[09:43] <cybane> I plan on dropping gnome and switching to FVWM2
[09:43] <delltony> i know one thing all the guys in here and gals if any are very helpful when problems come about
[09:43] <delltony> thats one of the main reasons i like using this distro
[09:44] <Amaranth> The day Ubuntu switches to KDE is the day I find a new distro. GNOME all the way. :)
[09:45] <OrangeSlice> yes, Gnome is the best.
[09:45] <delltony> the first of march if i read the page correct i can submit an order for some hoary cds and they will be shipped when it it offically released am i understanding that correct?
[09:45] <OrangeSlice> Gnome was one of the reasons I moved onto Ubuntu
[09:46] <delltony> ok since we are on kde and gnome i'm curious whats the big differnce i have yet to really get a clear understanding even after looking at screens
[09:46] <delltony> only thing i have seen is kde eats up memory
[09:46] <bob2> there's no big difference
[09:46] <OrangeSlice> I had been using mandrake, which had gnome 2.6, but also came with 3 other desktops, which meant specific support and integration weren't so great
[09:46] <bob2> just use them both and see which you like best
[09:46] <delltony> well i tried to use kde to see and it borked ubuntu so i said heck with that for now :)
[09:46] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[09:46] <bob2> hah
[09:47] <OrangeSlice> it depends on your taste
[09:47] <delltony> have to get more notches under my belt
[09:47] <OrangeSlice> kde (by default) resembles windows
[09:47] <OrangeSlice> gnome looks more like macos
[09:47] <OrangeSlice> but they're both very customizable
[09:47] <bob2> that also depends on which distribution you're using
[09:47] <Amaranth> GNOME is a bit more minimalist and seems to have a lot more polish. KDE is eyecandy galore and needs some standardization (like HIG).
[09:47] <bob2> whatever redhat uses looks quite windowsy
[09:48] <Amaranth> redhat uses KDE
[09:48] <Mr_Smiley> gnome i think
[09:48] <OrangeSlice> yeah, Gnome is better for actually doing things :p
[09:48] <Amaranth> they used to have a bluecurve theme for both GNOME and KDE that made them look almost the same
[09:48] <Amaranth> i think that was the RH7 days though
[09:48] <Mr_Smiley> theres still the bluecurve theme
[09:48] <cybane> is apache installed into /usr/bin by default?
[09:48] <FAST> the gnome 'notification area' panel item is buggy. like when logging in and gaim starts automatically, its only 4% visible in the notification area.... eh
[09:49] <delltony> well i'm curious to know this you know how you have the application folder or menu if you will is there a way to add new ones like say MyMenu or whatever? so i could do  MyMenu:/// in a file browser?
[09:49] <OrangeSlice> I used redhat back in 6.1 :p
[09:49] <bob2> cybane: if you're buliding from source, you don't want to drop them in /usr/bin/
[09:49] <OrangeSlice> still have my cd's
[09:49] <cybane> I am trying to find the httpd.conf file
[09:49] <bob2> cybane: give it the --prefix=/usr/local/ option (to configure)
[09:49] <Amaranth> OrangeSlice: I have a copy of RH5 that came with a Linux for Dummies book from years and years ago. :)
[09:49] <Cerberus> stijn@ubuntu:~ $ sudo rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty apache2-default/
[09:50] <Cerberus> why isn't it deleting the dir :s
[09:50] <Amaranth> Cerberus: sudo rm -rf apache2-default/
[09:50] <P3L|C4N0> ?
[09:50] <OrangeSlice> yes mine's also from one of those books :p
[09:50] <OrangeSlice> I have an old old copy of SuSE somewhere too, but I can't find it.
[09:50] <Amaranth> OrangeSlice: Remember when getting sound working was a big deal and to test it you got to listen to Linus pronounce Linux?
[09:50] <OrangeSlice> hee hee
[09:51] <OrangeSlice> red hat made me go back to windows
[09:51] <OrangeSlice> I couldn't stand it
[09:52] <OrangeSlice> I reclaimed my freedom again about 7 months ago
[09:52] <FAST> http://members.cox.net/lafolieverte/redhat.jpg                 heh heh ;)
[09:53] <OrangeSlice> redhat on floppies :p
[09:53] <delltony> well long time ago i put slack on my desktop got it all working after reading things left and right then the file system borked on me and i couldn't recover and it was help setting it up so i said screw this and went back to windows then i recently found ubuntu and i like how its to the most part a nice smooth install
[09:53] <Amaranth> OrangeSlice: I spent two months trying to get my modem to work and when I figured out how to recompile my kernel to get it going it was still compiling 48 hours later. I went back to Windows until Ubuntu.
[09:53] <delltony> help = hell
[09:53] <OrangeSlice> yeah, 'nix was difficult to use back then
[09:54] <OrangeSlice> but it's come so far
[09:54] <delltony> yeah i was amazed
[09:54] <Amaranth> I've always been good with it though, thanks to servers. :)
[09:54] <Amaranth> btw, never let me admin your RHEL server
[09:54] <delltony> someone told me about ubuntu and i was like man linux is hell putting on but i was worth the challenge
[09:54] <delltony> and when it just worked
[09:54] <delltony> i go dang
[09:54] <OrangeSlice> haha, yeah exactly
[09:54] <Mr_Milenko> anyoen awake in here?
[09:54] <OrangeSlice> er...
[09:54] <OrangeSlice> lol
[09:55] <delltony> you what kills me any of you guys read business week?
[09:55] <FAST> yeah i went from redhat 5.2 to slackware 7 and finally freebsd.  i had a winmodem at the time, so everything sucekd.  now ubuntu is here + broadband = happy
[09:55] <delltony> and i'm still green by far but this kinda struck me as being false
[09:55] <Amaranth> I killed a RHEL3 server _three_ times in two weeks.
[09:55] <cybane> I am
[09:55] <Mr_Milenko> i need some help.. i cant get ident to work for the life of me..
[09:55] <Amaranth> ident?
[09:55] <OrangeSlice> ubuntu took me half an hour to install, and every last bit of my hardware worked just like that
[09:55] <Amaranth> same here, but it only took about 15 minutes
[09:55] <OrangeSlice> even my firewire
[09:55] <Mr_Milenko> ident2*
[09:55] <OrangeSlice> and it hotplugs
[09:56] <Mr_Milenko> for IRC
[09:56] <delltony> in the article on page 63 of the january issue it talks about linux and Microsoft says with their Get the facts that windows is less expensive and more secure than linux. i just don't see how in the long run this is even remotely true
[09:56] <Mr_Milenko> every time i log in i get that stupid ~username bull..
[09:56] <OrangeSlice> and thanks to a DHCP client, I was online immediately.
[09:57] <Mr_Milenko> anyone care to spend some time trying to help me fix this problem?
[09:57] <Amaranth> Mr_Milenko: That's something you set in X-Chat.
[09:57] <Amaranth> Wait, no it isn't.
[09:57] <Mr_Milenko> uh.. no it not O_o
[09:57] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[09:57] <Amaranth> It's something you set in mIRC. :P
[09:57] <Mr_Milenko> yeah heh
[09:57] <Amaranth> I've never setup identd, I was happy with ~travis
[09:57] <Mr_Milenko> see i need to setup identd...
[09:58] <cybane> hey Orange where do I change it so that it will show only one window for the filesystem
[09:58] <delltony> mirc? that works on nix?  i been using xchat but mirc i was basically raised on
[09:58] <OrangeSlice> what do you mean?
[09:58] <Amaranth> no, i'm on a windows machine right now
[09:58] <delltony> oh ok
[09:58] <Amaranth> mIRC can run in WINE but it sucks
[09:58] <Mr_Milenko> im an oper on another network.. and they wont allow me to change the oper block.. and im an op in a few channels on efnet..
[09:58] <Amaranth> X-Chat is better anyway :)
[09:58] <FAST> cybane, computer->desktop preferences->file management
[09:58] <delltony> well true i like xchat
[09:58] <FAST> behaviour tab
[09:58] <delltony> being able to run multi servers at one time
[09:58] <delltony> dont think you can do that in mirc
[09:59] <Mr_Milenko> mirc does that lol
[09:59] <FAST> delltony, you can
[09:59] <FAST> not that it matters..
[09:59] <delltony> oh ok then scratch that idea :)
[09:59] <cybane> there is nothing that says "open in same window" to draw a micro$oft parallel
[09:59] <delltony> didn't know it did that never really tried actually
[09:59] <FAST> "always open in browser windows"   check that
[09:59] <Mr_Milenko> see.. im normally a windows user.. but do to the lack fo security im moving over (slowly) to linux and was reccomeneded this distro for its eas of installation.. but i need to fix thsi ident problem until its complete..
[10:00] <cybane> that opened up a internet browser
[10:00] <delltony> i was talking so not sure if someone answered this or not can you add new menus you know how you have applications and computer can you ad more like tonysstuff or whatever?
[10:00] <cybane> just trying to make it so I can fricken edit the httpd.conf file
[10:00] <Dreamer3> Mr_Milenko: if you can stick around a while you'll like it... when i first tried (several times over several years) i'd always go back to windows after a week or two... but one day i stayed :)
[10:01] <Mr_Milenko> no i love it.. but i need to fix ident
[10:01] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[10:01] <Mr_Milenko> i cant get any identd's to work i've tried ident2.. oidentd.. none of em work :(
[10:02] <cybane> when i open the file in the gnome text editor is it readonly and I need to make it so I can modify it
[10:02] <Mr_Milenko> ident is the last thing i need to fix and im set
[10:03] <Mr_Milenko> so i take nobody here can help with this problem?
[10:06] <Amaranth> Mr_Milenko: You could make a new user with the name of the ident you need.
[10:09] <Mr_Milenko> thats the problem..
[10:09] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[10:09] <Mr_Milenko> all my idents are set to Mr_Milenko
[10:09] <Mr_Milenko> to oper and to get +o on efnet channels
[10:11] <FAST> shit
[10:12] <FAST> how do i kill firefox from the terminal /
[10:12] <delltony> pgrep firefox and get the processes it is using
[10:12] <Dreamer3> FAST: killall firefox?
[10:12] <delltony> then kill them by number or like Dreamer3 said
[10:13] <FAST> $ killall firefox
[10:13] <FAST> firefox: no process killed
[10:13] <sunbeam> Hi all, I've updated my Hoary yesterday and suddenly dbus-1 (and with it, nerarly the whole desktop) stop working and complaining about a missing /etc/dbus-1/system.conf. Does anyone know a quick fix for that?
[10:13] <FAST> ...
[10:13] <delltony> pgrep firefox
[10:13] <delltony> and look and see if it returns anything
[10:13] <FAST> excellent, killed that id
[10:14] <FAST> thanks
[10:14] <delltony> sometimes its firefox-bin i have noticed
[10:14] <delltony> and welcome
[10:15] <Digis> Hi, I updated ubuntu hoary, and not it complains about not finding log_begin_msg...at system startup..what should I do?
[10:15] <delltony> what you guys think bout my new nick red-nix   --> redneck on linux :)
[10:24] <scotty> Hey, 'shock' if you're the chap that helped the PPC newb 'babbage' yesterday afternoon, it's me ! IRCing from my up & running Ubuntu. Thanks !
[10:25] <shock> hey scotty!
[10:26] <shock> kewl beans!
[10:26] <shock> :D
[10:30] <scotty> Ah, it turned out that the boot flag... and others for that matter weren't set, so I fixed 'em, but still had to re-install.... waited overnight for the install to live-update & got to playing for the first time this morn. I'm 'well chuffed' so just thought I'd pop along to offer my thanks ...  keep up the good work, I'm off to spread the word ! ; )
[10:32] <red-nix> how do you pipe a tar file to bzip2  i tried tar c myfile.ext  > bzip2 filename.bz2  but it does not work
[10:34] <viper12> hola room
 --- its all in the manpage ;)
[10:35] <red-nix> ok gonna have to relook
[10:35] <fc> do you know if exists an italian channel ?
[10:35] <red-nix> thanks
[10:36] <goli> ...i am not trying a source install for evol [since the bug seems to be unresolved [https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4481] ...it is complaining that C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check....i have installed gcc, cpp, libcommoncpp2-1.0-0c102 and libcppopt..what else do i need
[10:36] <shock> goli - what bug is unresolved?
[10:36] <red-nix> you say its in the man page for what tar or bzip?
[10:36] <shock> tar
[10:37] <red-nix> hmm obviously i'm missing something let me look again
[10:37] <goli> shock, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4481 ... evolution hanging while trying to save attachments
[10:37] <shock> should be something like: "tar -cjf m00h.tar.bz2 files"
[10:37] <shock> hm.... *tries*
[10:37] <shock> works for me :/
[10:38] <linuxboy> why does bugzilla use ssl ?
[10:38] <goli> shock, hmm..
[10:38] <sladen> goli: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:38] <lunatik> hi there !
[10:38] <red-nix> ok what was throwin me off is it said decompress ok thanksk
[10:38] <lunatik> ubuntu is great ! :)
[10:38] <shock> tried with like a pdf, a zip and a jpg....
[10:38] <sladen> goli: sudo apt-get install build-dep mozilla-firefox
[10:38] <lunatik> thank you
[10:39] <goli> sladen, trying now
[10:39] <lunatik> I bought a dell inspiron 9200 and all work without configuring anything :)
[10:41] <FAST> anyone know why mozilla-player is  hanging after loading up a video
[10:41] <FAST> mplayer plugin
[10:41] <goli> sladen, is the syntax correct? i am getting "E: Couldn't find package build-dep"
[10:41] <sladen> goli: remove the 'install'
[10:42] <goli> sladen, thanks
[10:42] <goli> sladen, does that fix evol or does that allow me to proceed with source install?
[10:43] <sladen> goli: 'build-essential' is a virtual package that depends on things like the C compiler;  'apt-get build-dep' fetches all the packages required to /build/ a particular package
[10:43] <goli> sladen, okay got it...thanks so much
[10:43] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu with the GUI and then ran "mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/" as root from /home/ which reports "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy". I can't see hda1 in /mnt/, the desktop (like my usb stick), with "cat /proc/mounts", with "cat /etc/mstab", and I get "umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted". Anyone know what the "busy" means?
[10:44] <sladen> goli: it allows you to build the package from source  (apt-get source -b ...    will do this)
[10:45] <goli> sladen, okay...will try to reinstall evol from source...thanks so much for this
[10:54] <Yawboy2> hi I'm new to ubuntu
[10:54] <Yawboy2> anyone available to give me support?
[10:54] <njan> Yawboy2, ask your question, I'm sure someone'll answer :)
[10:55] <Yawboy2> ok njan
 <-- and remember to visit/participate in the wiki/forums =)
[10:56] <Yawboy2> I've downloaded a package from the mysql site but can't have them installed
[10:56] <shock> Yawboy2 - You are aware of the apt-get thingy?
[10:57] <Yawboy2> the packages are MySQL-client-4.1.10-0.i386.rpm,  MySQL-server-4.1.10-0.i386.rpm,  MySQL-shared-compat-4.1.10-0.i386.rpm
[10:58] <Yawboy2> nope I'm not aware
[10:58] <fsc> Yawboy2, use search in synaptic
[10:58] <shock> oh -ok
[10:58] <fsc> Yawboy2, you want debs
[10:58] <shock> synaptic should rock your world ;)
[10:58] <Neil3> it certainly rocked mine
[10:58] <shock> :)
[10:59] <fsc> Yawboy2, or as a last resort use alien for those rpms to convert them to debs
[10:59] <Neil3> ahhhhhhhhhhhh synaptic
[10:59] <shock> im used to commandline - but synaptic actually IS a nice and powerfull frontend
[10:59] <Yawboy2> u mean the synaptic package manager
[10:59] <shock> yes
[10:59] <shock> that one
[10:59] <fsc> i've always been command-line apt-gett'er, but i've been using synaptic strictly the past few days and it's nice
[10:59] <shock> u need to enter your password
[10:59] <Neil3> be careful using rpms in ubuntu, as they are made for another distro so might do things differently
[10:59] <Neil3> ie not work
[10:59] <Yawboy2> ok.  from there how do I lockage the packages I've downloaded?
[11:00] <Yawboy2> do I have to use alien to convert them to debs first?
[11:00] <fsc> Neil3, yeah...that would be last resort.  actually it would be preferrable to build from source and then deb'ify if a particular version was needed
[11:00] <shock> (u might have to adjust the preferences->repositories to point to the web)
[11:00] <Neil3> yeah
[11:00] <fsc> Yawboy2, don't worry about alien right now
[11:00] <Yawboy2> ok
[11:00] <fsc> Yawboy2, open up synaptic and do a search for mysqul
[11:00] <fsc> mysql
[11:01] <shock> yeah... just use the ubuntu packages found in synaptic
[11:01] <Neil3> mysql especially for you Yawboy2
[11:01] <IamJacksUsername> PC crashed, dunno if anyone answered before: Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu with the GUI and then ran "mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/" as root from /home/ which reports "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy". I get "umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted". Anyone know what the "busy" means?
[11:02] <Yawboy2> I tried searching but nothing comes up
[11:02] <shock> "busy" <--- means working
[11:02] <Yawboy2> I have the packages in my /root folder
[11:02] <shock> Yawboy2 - forget about the rpm's
[11:03] <shock> better delete them, even
[11:03] <fsc> shock, hehe..yeah, really
 <-- check that no bash session/nautilus window or anything is open and in a directory of the mounted partition
[11:03] <fsc> mysql is in synaptic
[11:03] <fc> Yawboy2: the packages you've downloaded are not for  ubuntu.. forget it
[11:03] <shock> ofc it is
[11:03] <viper12> are the mysql's in the default repos after a new install?  if not, he may have to add a repos.
[11:04] <Yawboy2> fsc yes but that one is only MySQL commons
[11:04] <fsc> Yawboy2, did you just install ubuntu - and what version are you using?
[11:04] <viper12> :)
[11:04] <fsc> Yawboy2, I see client and server in there
[11:04] <Neil3> mysql common, server and client are there
[11:04] <Neil3> ubuntu specific packages
[11:04] <Yawboy2> fsc: so how do I get MySQL running.  I new to dis ubuntu stuff
[11:05] <Neil3> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installmysqldatabaseserver
[11:05] <viper12> sometimes when things are EASIER.........its a shock.  :)
[11:05] <fsc> Yawboy2, I don't know anything about mysql.  your first step is to install it
[11:05] <shock> lol
[11:05] <Amaranth> You just download an RPM off the internet and it Just Works(tm).
[11:05] <viper12> neil3....are the packages in the default repositories?
[11:06] <Neil3> as far as i can tell
[11:06] <IamJacksUsername> shock, I checked for that, the only thing that was open was the terminal in which I ran the command from /home/.
[11:06] <Neil3> they have the ubuntu logo next to them, viper12
[11:06] <viper12> rpms blow the nard..........dependency hell.  my opinion.
[11:06] <viper12> wasn't sure....i've got so many stupid repos's added now, couldn't remember if they were in the default list.  ;)
[11:06] <fsc> viper12, so do debs.  it's the front-end that handles the dependency
[11:06] <Yawboy2> fsc: mine only shows MySQL common
 <--- in console you can run "lsof /dev/hda1"
[11:07] <Amaranth> viper12: debs blow, dependency hell. common knowledge
[11:07] <shock> gives you a list of what uses the "file" hda1
[11:07] <Amaranth> viper12: debs and rpms both suck unless you use a package manager
[11:07] <viper12> lol respectfully disagree.  tomato/tomahto. ;)
[11:07] <Yawboy2> fsc: thanks.  I'll see what I can do
[11:07] <Nermal> ellooooo
[11:07] <Neil3> Yawboy2, here is a tutorial for mysql for when you've got it installed http://ubuntuguide.org/#installmysqldatabaseserver
[11:07] <fsc> Yawboy2, check settings and respotiories
[11:07] <Neil3> oops wrong url
[11:07] <Nermal> anyone know of any PHP5 debs or a nice way to get PHP5 (with apache 2) on ubuntu ?
[11:07] <Neil3> this is the one, Yawboy2: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/MySQL/Beginning-MySQL-Tutorial/
[11:07] <Amaranth> viper12: Don't confuse rpm with apt-get. rpm compares to dpkg and apt-get compares to yum
[11:08] <fsc> viper12, you're confused
[11:08] <viper12> ama..ahh knows.
[11:08] <fsc> everything is dependency hell
[11:08] <fsc> because most stuff has dependencies
[11:08] <fsc> .debs are no different
[11:08] <Yawboy2> Neil3: thanks
[11:08] <Neil3> ohh
[11:08] <IamJacksUsername> shock, shouldn't I run "lsof /home/ubuntu/suse/"?
[11:09] <viper12> see my comment above about 'preferences" and IMHO. ;)
[11:09] <Neil3> Yawboy2, click the reload button in synaptic
[11:09] <shock> hehe
[11:09] <Neil3> then do a search
[11:09] <Neil3> see what it turns up then
[11:09] <Yawboy2> Neil3: yeah checking that out
[11:09] <Amaranth> viper12: I don't think you understand. debs putting you in dependency hell isn't an opinion. It's a fact.
[11:09] <shock> mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/ <--- should be fine either way
[11:09] <shock> you could check both
[11:10] <IamJacksUsername> shock, will do tonight. Thanks a lot.
[11:10] <shock> :)
[11:10] <viper12> amaranth...........you need ta see that I'm "over" it.  we're not here to 'convince each other of stuff........rather to help.....and if I got yer dander up, my apologies....but drop it please.
[11:11] <shock> *nods*
[11:11] <shock> helping is more fun and rewarding than flaming, too :P
[11:11] <shock> ] :)
[11:11] <Amaranth> viper12: Just trying to help you learn. I'll stop now.
[11:11] <Neil3> aye
[11:11] <Yawboy2> Neil3: now I don't even have anything showing up in the synaptic
[11:11] <Neil3> hmz
[11:12] <shock> Yawboy2 <-- check the preferences->repositories
[11:12] <Neil3> is it still downloading all those list thingies?
[11:12] <shock> damn... I tell you, plain console apt-get is easier
[11:12] <shock> :P
[11:12] <shock> sometimes
[11:12] <viper12> lol
[11:12] <Neil3> yeah shock definitely
[11:12] <Neil3> actually
[11:12] <Neil3> where does console apt-get log to?
[11:12] <Neil3> cos synaptic makes a log
[11:12] <Yawboy2> shock, ok
[11:13] <Neil3> i looked in /var/log but didnt find much
[11:13] <Amaranth> synaptic just runs apt-get :)
[11:13] <shock> Yawboy2 - are you absolutely new to linux or just ubuntu/debian-distroy?
[11:14] <Slask3n> what is best of Xfree86 and X.org?
[11:14] <Amaranth> xorg
[11:14] <Slask3n> whats the difference really?
[11:14] <fsc> Slask3n, Ubuntu is moving to xorg
[11:15] <Slask3n> ok, but what makes xorg better than xfree?
[11:15] <fsc> Slask3n, xorg is a fork of xfree86 where there were development problems or something
[11:15] <Amaranth> Slask3n: xfree development stalled, xorg is a fork with new features, big fixes, drivers, etc
[11:15] <andy> whats a fork
[11:15] <andy> joking
[11:15] <fsc> Slask3n, most distros are moving to xorg
[11:15] <Slask3n> ok
[11:16] <Neil3> hey guys do a google search for 'miserable failure'
[11:16] <Neil3> hehehe
[11:16] <Neil3> and look at the first hit
[11:16] <andy> does my name show up?
[11:16] <Yawboy2> shock, new to ubuntu/debian-distroy
[11:16] <Slask3n> hehe George W. Bush's profile at the White House :P
[11:16] <Neil3> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=miserable+failure
[11:16] <Neil3> yeah
[11:16] <Neil3> :)
[11:17] <Yawboy2> shock, I've been using Red Hat but not much.
[11:17] <Nermal> Slask3n, Slask3n meet googlebomb. googlebomb, meet Slask3n
[11:17] <viper12> lmao nermal
[11:17] <Nermal> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=bastards is another example
[11:18] <Neil3> hahahaha
[11:18] <Nermal> hmm... why are PHP5 packages listed in apt with a "v" if you can't actually install them
[11:18] <Nermal> that's like putting a naked fit girl in a perspex box
[11:18] <viper12> lmao x 10 nermal.  SCO. choked on coffee over here. lmao
[11:18] <fc> I have a problem with pnp bios, how can i set the opion nobiospnp ?
[11:18] <Nermal> "you can see.. but no! you can't install me!"
[11:18] <Nermal> fc, in the kernel parameters ?
[11:19] <Yawboy2> shock, r u there?
[11:19] <fc> yes, i think in kernel or grub... but i don't know...
[11:19] <Nermal> there are two ways
[11:20] <Nermal> on the boot menu, hit "e" and edit the kernel line before you boot, then hit "b" to boot it
[11:20] <Nermal> or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add it to the end of the kernel line of the appropriate entry
[11:20] <fc> ok .. I try now thanks
[11:27] <fc> I have added nobiospnp after "... ro quiet splash" line but nothing changes...
[11:27] <Nermal> hm
[11:27] <Nermal> whats your actual problem ?
[11:28] <fc> when booting an error says the there is a problem with pnp bios.. and to rebbot whith this option to solve...
[11:29] <Nermal> ah..
[11:29] <Nermal> tried adding it at the grub menu ?
[11:29] <fc> yes
[11:32] <snowblink_> fc: does it actually stop you from booting?
[11:33] <fc> no it boot.. only this message..
[11:34] <snowblink_> fc: I get it as well, but it has not adversely effected me. So I ignore it
[11:35] <fc> ok..
[11:37] <ernstp> hi #ubuntu
[11:37] <ernstp> anyone else having trouble with totem-xine?
[11:38] <ernstp> no picture! except for one frame when you close totem
[11:38] <edulix> hey !
[11:38] <edulix> here someone with an imac rev A
[11:39] <edulix> I'm having problem with  xfree configuration
[11:39] <edulix> I've dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree, and restarted gdm
[11:39] <edulix> (closing session)
[11:40] <edulix> in the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 I've seen that I have only put support for 800x600 and 640x480
[11:40] <ernstp> ok?
[11:40] <edulix> but my resolution is 512x384 and gnome doesn't let me change it !
[11:40] <ernstp> worked a bit with linux on them old imacs...
[11:42] <ernstp> try adding your sync values to your xfconfig file
[11:42] <edulix> ernstp ? really I'm lucky then !
[11:42] <edulix> ernstp: which sync values? :P
[11:42] <edulix> Section "Monitor"
[11:42] <edulix> 	Identifier	"iMac"
[11:42] <edulix> 	HorizSync	28-50
[11:42] <edulix> 	VertRefresh	43-75
[11:42] <edulix> 	Option		"DPMS"
[11:42] <edulix> EndSection
[11:42] <edulix> that are the one's I have
[11:42] <daniels> should be going a lot higher than that
[11:42] <ernstp> oh. yeah, those. your _real_ sync values. :-)
[11:42] <daniels> to roughly 1024x768 at 75Hz
[11:43] <ernstp> they are in apple's hardware notes
[11:44] <edulix> in the manual you mean? or in the web ?
[11:44] <ernstp> developer.apple.com
[11:44] <edulix> ok
[11:45] <edulix> and I'm curious how can it be using a resolution I haven't set up ?
[11:45] <ernstp> you don't have to set up very much really
[11:45] <ernstp> it'll calculate it from the sync values
[11:47] <ernstp> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/hardware2.html
[11:47] <ernstp> damn, it's really hard to find. thought I'd help you a bit.. been there before
[11:48] <Amaranth> ok, done messing with the bot for a least 12 hours :)
[11:50] <edulix> ernstp: I've found it
[11:51] <edulix> BTW, all imacs (I've a rev. A) have the same monitor specs right?
[11:51] <edulix> and does it support graphic accel via dri or something (in linux/ubuntu I mean) ?
[11:52] <edulix> 	HorizSync	60.015
[11:52] <edulix> 	VertRefresh	75.03-117.233
[11:53] <edulix> this should be right?
[11:53] <edulix> (I don't want to make my monitor explode :)
[11:53] <edulix> ernstp ?
[11:54] <Cosco`> hello , i forgot my password and now i cant login .. what can i do?
[11:54] <Cosco`> when i type username root and password it ask me to relogin
[11:54] <bob2> er
[11:54] <bob2> there's no root account by default
[11:55] <Cosco`> oh..
[11:55] <Cosco`> so what can i do?
[11:55] <edulix> oh, well there is :P
[11:55] <bob2> ?
[11:55] <edulix> sudo su -
[11:55] <edulix> and then passwd
[11:55] <bob2> Cosco`: login as your normal user
[11:55] <pdr> Cosco`: reboot to single-user mode
[11:55] <Cosco`> i cant sudo .. because i cant login
[11:55] <Cosco`> bob2: i cant , i forgot my user pass
[11:55] <bob2> then reboot and hit "esc" over and over
[11:55] <Cosco`> pdr : how?
[11:55] <bob2> when you get to the grub menu, choose the emergency option
[11:55] <Cosco`> i dont see the emergency option
[11:56] <Cosco`> where is it?
[11:56] <bob2> dude
[11:56] <Amaranth> second in the list of kernels to boot
[11:56] <bob2> are you at the grub boot menu?
[11:56] <MartinC> if anyone has time could they help me out, i'm a total n00b, it's about an ATI issue, x server cannot start because of it, ive read the ubunto dox but I dont understand, am I supposed to download fglrx for my radeaon 9100 and then try and install it how help?!
[11:56] <pdr> Cosco`: edit the grub boot line and put the word "single" after it
[11:56] <bob2> MartinC: no, you don't need to do that
[11:56] <Cosco`> ah , in boot mode, not in the login screen?
[11:56] <bob2> yes
[11:56] <Cosco`> so..i edit it and i add single at the end?
[11:56] <MartinC> bob2 can u help me out please? I'm in dire need of your expertise
[11:56] <Amaranth> MartinC: You don't need the fglrx driver for that card. There is an opensource driver that should have been setup when you installed.
[11:57] <Cosco`> bob2 : and what after ? i boot on ubuntu and it will not ask me the pass?
[11:57] <pdr> Cosco`: there's probably already a line for it, but that's what you do if there's not
[11:57] <bob2> MartinC: if it didn't work out of the box, try asking on the user list
[11:57] <bob2> Cosco`: yes
[11:57] <Cosco`> ok
[11:57] <Cosco`> let me test , brb
[11:57] <pdr> if he was on irc, how was he logged on?
[11:58] <pdr> sorry, how was he *not* logged on
[11:58] <viper12> more than one pc or dual boot and get here from doze pfr
[11:58] <viper12> ?
[11:58] <pdr> so why did he just log off?
[11:58] <viper12> prolly dual boot from doze........to get back to ubuntu.........shrugs.
[11:58] <pdr> maybe he hit ctrl-alt-del on the wrong keyboard?
[11:59] <pdr> whatever..
[11:59] <viper12> lol
[11:59] <MartinC> i type startx and the it says fatal screen error no devices found ...
[12:02] <MartinC> ok lets say i try and install this 9100 linux driver from ATI. it's a .rpm package how do i unpack it?
[12:03] <pdr> it's possible you could convert it with the alien program
[12:03] <pdr> fakeroot alien blah.rpm
[12:03] <Cosco> bob2 : thank man , i made it :) it works now
[12:04] <bob2> MartinC: that won't help
[12:05] <MartinC> bob2 any suggestions I'm all out of ideas, it's a fresh install. i basically put in the cd partioned the drive and when it starts up it doesnt go into x-server
[12:05] <MartinC> the screen blinks a few times
[12:05] <edulix> ernstp: still not working :(
[12:06] <MartinC> when i run startx all hell breaks loose over the screen
[12:06] <viper12> which version you installing martinc? warty or hoary?
[12:06] <MartinC> warty
[12:06] <viper12> 9100 radeon you said?
[12:07] <MartinC> it's onboard radeon when the pc starts up it says graphics by radeon (9100) top right
[12:07] <Amaranth> oh man, sabayon looks incredible
[12:07] <viper12> sabayon Ama?  blinks.
[12:07] <viper12> what pc type martin?
[12:07] <andy> how do you change colour from 16 bit to 24 bit
[12:08] <Amaranth> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog//sabayon
[12:08] <daniels> andy: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (hoary) or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (warty), change DefaultDepth from 16 to 24
[12:08] <viper12> ty am.  checkin'.
[12:09] <Amaranth> MartinC: You have a PM from the bot.
[12:09] <MartinC> thanks amaranth :)
[12:09] <MartinC> i saw that doc
[12:09] <andy> daniels: thx mate..was drunk when i did it last night and could not remember what i had done
[12:09] <daniels> andy: heh
[12:09] <viper12> holy crap Am...........spooooon!!!!!!!!!
[12:09] <MartinC> when i run ... sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[12:10] <Amaranth> MartinC: pastedump your X error log somewhere
[12:10] <MartinC> i get it says couldnt find package fglrx-driver
[12:10] <bob2> MartinC: then you probably just found a bug
[12:10] <bob2> MartinC: ask on the mailing list
[12:11] <bob2> installing firegl is unlikely to help
[12:11] <bob2> does it even work with a 9100?
[12:11] <MartinC> it cant find the package ... should i get it from somewhere
[12:12] <MartinC> the precise error is E: Couldn't find package driver fglrx-driver
[12:12] <MartinC> it buils the package lists and dependency trees
[12:12] <MartinC> and then says that
[12:12] <viper12> what worries me is that its an onboard chip........I had BIG probs with an ati onboard chip awhile back.....all the 'solutions' didn't work, and it turned out it was a tweaked chip by the manufacturer. blargh.
[12:13] <Cosco> i have another question .. how do i set my ident name@ .. with @ at the end
[12:13] <bob2> MartinC: if you actually want to use firegl, read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:13] <Cosco> (in x-chat)
[12:13] <bob2> Cosco: as part of the username?  or with no hostname at all?
[12:13] <Amaranth> bob2: firegl is for nvidia cards
[12:13] <Cosco> bob2 : a part of the username
[12:13] <Cosco> for connecting to my psybnc
[12:13] <bob2> Amaranth: no, it's not
[12:14] <Amaranth> oh
[12:14] <jacquesmerde> hmm...how come synaptic says to install a simple bittorrent package (gnome-btdownload), it has to remove evolution, gedit, gdm, rhythmbox, a whole lot of gnome- packages and a whole lot of python- packages?
[12:15] <viper12> :O  it shouldn't.  I just installed the base bittorrent package earlier this evening on another box..........didn't say anything about removing anything.
[12:15] <bob2> yes, but that wasn't the gnome one
[12:15] <bob2> which probably depends on an old version of python or something
[12:15] <MartinC> k guys i'll check back later, i might just install ubuntu on an old box with pci vga card haha
[12:16] <Cosco> bob2: can you answer my question please.. ?
[12:16] <MartinC> cya ;)
[12:16] <bob2> Cosco: no
[12:16] <bob2> if I knew the answer I'd have said so
[12:16] <bob2> but it sounds silly and probably not possible
[12:16] <Cosco> ok.
[12:16] <Cosco> anybody else .. how can i connect to my psybnc on x-chat.. if i set the username cosco@ it doenst work
[12:16] <Amaranth> bob2, Cosco: It's possible. You need to run an ident server.
[12:16] <Amaranth> No idea how to set that up.
[12:16] <jacquesmerde> gnome-btdownload is just a package for bittorrent which plugs it into the gnome interface...why would it want to remove all those other packages?
[12:16] <Cosco> hm , and with other irc clients ?
[12:16] <bob2> just install one then
[12:16] <bob2> no irc client on unix includes an inetd server
[12:17] <Cosco> and how does mirc support on windows?
[12:17] <bob2> because it includes one
[12:17] <snipper__> hello all
[12:17] <bob2> because windows is all about pointless code duplication like that
[12:17] <bob2> install oidentd or so
[12:17] <Cosco> oidentd?
[12:18] <shock> how can i connect to my psybnc on x-chat
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[12:18] <shock> cause thats exactly what im doing in quakenet
[12:18] <shock> :P
[12:18] <viper12> jacques......it shouldn't.  unless you had something else going on in synaptic that would remove those apps. but bittorrent....that one is fresh on my mind...and there was no uninstall at all.
[12:18] <Cosco> shock : ok
[12:19] <shock> all I had to do was:
[12:19] <shock> enter nickname for being online
[12:19] <shock> enter username (for psybnc)
[12:19] <shock> enter the server password
[12:19] <shock> set the server address
[12:19] <shock> and thats it
[12:19] <shock> connects wonderfully
[12:20] <jacquesmerde> viper12, well, i installed off the warty cd, changed my sources to hoary, did an upgrade (not dist-upgrade). opened synaptic, went to dload gnome-btdownload, and it said it wsa going to remove all that stuff
[12:20] <Cosco> bob2 :
[12:20] <Skid> hi, I've removed one of my drives out of my pc, so natureally it's re-arrange the drive numbering system (i..e hd(2,0), etc) - grub therefore has spat it's dummy out over it.. is there anyway I can get ito my pc and like auto fix it?
[12:20] <shock> its in XChat->serverlist->editmode
[12:20] <Cosco> i installed oidentd : what now?
[12:20] <Skid> compile psybnc with oidentd support?
[12:20] <Skid> assuming thats what you're using it for
[12:20] <jacquesmerde> viper12, i just tried marking bittorrent itself for dload instead of the gnome one, and had the same list of to be removed packages
[12:21] <viper12> ahhh.......now..........the possibility there is the warty to hoary move.  (i'm guessing.)  I installed from a straight hoary install. (bit) and nothing was removed.
[12:21] <shock> so, viper?
[12:21] <viper12> so....what shock?
[12:21] <jacquesmerde> viper12, i'm assuming the move has something do with it, but gdm, gedit and evolution are all central parts of both systems
[12:22] <shock> ahhh.......now..........the possibility there is the warty to hoary move. ?
[12:22] <shock> what about that?
[12:22] <shock> o was that no question?
[12:22] <viper12> was talking with jaque shock.
[12:22] <shock> ah ok
[12:22] <shock> *g*
[12:22] <jacquesmerde> sorry, shock, didn't mean to make you jealous
[12:23] <viper12> lol
[12:23] <jacquesmerde> any advice, viper12? or am i destined to go bt-less...
[12:23] <viper12> man this almost sounds like something d.base fooey going on.
[12:23] <oz_> hi all - just a quick(?) question on partitions/filesystems... How would you guys divy up a 160g drive for a new install?
[12:24] <jacquesmerde> viper12, i think i'm gonna try doing a dist-upgrade again, hope it doesnt remove all the sound from my computer this time though
[12:24] <viper12> are you actually using ev and gedit?  I'd write down what apps are marked for uninstall......let syaptics do its thing.......and if nothing else do a apt-get to put them back on.
[12:24] <viper12> if this is a hoary 'play' box and not critical that is.
[12:25] <oz_> I've had some problems with reiserfs and fedora... - it's a development box..
[12:25] <jacquesmerde> viper12, its my main box, and my play box, nothing critical at all
[12:25] <viper12> lol  yeah, right. lol
[12:26] <viper12> well the apps you listed won't kill the system....but gdm could kill the gui........but easily reinstalled piece.
[12:26] <rjw> I have a weird issue with gstreamer (using hoary). It will only work ( in Multimedia Systems Selector) if I use OSS. For Alsa or ESD, it will say: Failed to construct test pipeline. Alsa and polypaudio are working however ( tested with aplay & paplay). Any ideas?
[12:26] <viper12> you might want to do it and toss what happened on the dev forum jacques
[12:26] <jacquesmerde> viper12, what if i just did a aptitude install ubuntu-desktop afterwards? wouldnt that pull my system together?
[12:27] <lubomir> hello
[12:27] <viper12> it should, but you may not have complete issues.  let synaptics do its thing....could be that something from the wart>hoary move didn't finish properly? again...guessing here.
[12:28] <jacquesmerde> viper12, i think i'll just head back to slack. not as pretty, but i much prefer the transperancy
[12:29] <viper12> lol.........well you gotta admit you are in a 'testing' environment with hoary..........and the warnings were on the site. heh heh
[12:29] <Scaramouche> If a kind soul can answer a very newbie question:  how can I save my changes to gnome settings (panels and so forth), export them, and reinstall them if I have to reinstall ubuntu?
[12:30] <viper12> As for transparency jacques....you can do the same thing in ubuntu at the command line, but I prefer not doing the command line....gives me hives if i do it too much. ;)
 -- that never is ia good idea right now
[12:31] <Scaramouche> why, shock?
[12:31] <shock> but its being asked for alot lately
[12:31] <shock> because evolution i.e stores some unique ID's in gconf
[12:31] <shock> gconf being what you wanted to know, btw - the settings are mostly there
[12:31] <Scaramouche> ah hah!
[12:32] <jacquesmerde> viper12, i was warned, but it ubuntu is so preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty. i normally do stuff at the command line, aptitude gives me warnings about removals and upgrades etc, but its the whole apt-get system which is the achilles heel
[12:32] <shock> but it think its rather easy to get gnome configured to whatever you want
[12:32] <shock> :P
[12:32] <Scaramouche> shock, it is easy, but it still takes time!
[12:33] <linuxboy> jacquesmerde: what would you recommend over apt-get ?
[12:33] <Tsjoklat> jacquesmerde, there is no comparing between slack and ubu in my opinion
[12:33] <viper12> nods jaq.  When I moved to ubuntu, I forced myself to stay AWAY from apt-get and use the synaptics interface, to keep the potential for problems in 'one' spot.  and I've had nothing but success with it.
[12:33] <Scaramouche> and, newbie that I am, I've already given myself a pretty polluted system I think...
[12:34] <viper12> its still doin' the stuff, but I let it 'smart-upgrade' and stay within the framework of ubuntu, if for nothing else, to test the system.
[12:35] <oz_> anyone have any opinions about what filesystems to use on a large disk > 150g?
[12:35] <viper12> shouldn't BE a comparison tween slack and ubuntu........slack is 'ground-up' for rock stability and is more an 'admin/guru' system.  ubu is trying to woo the 'joe-user'..they both have their place.
[12:35] <jacquesmerde> woah. woah, i'm not knocking apt-get, not trolling. but we all know apt-get on an "unstable" system has its dangers, no more than any other "unstable" systems thogh, its just that with apt-get, apt-get does the unstablising for you, youdont get to do it yourself
[12:35] <daniels> dudes, please not so much with the distro wars here
[12:36] <viper12> which be why, jacque, I'm staying with snaptics interface.  If ubu is gonna barf......I want it to be 'their' barf and not mine.  heh heh
[12:36] <Scaramouche> shock, just so I'm clear:  if I save my current gconf somewhere, and reinstall warty (or if I try hoary?) I can get back to my panel, window etc preferences by overwriting gconf with what I saved?
[12:36] <jacquesmerde> i only meant what i said to be offhand. its like that fawltey towers episode, "just don't mention the war"
[12:36] <viper12> what 'war?'  comparisons and opinion are all i'm seeing here. (no flames that I can see.)
[12:37] <viper12> lmao jacques
[12:37] <shock> probaly some of that
[12:37] <jacquesmerde> viper12, thats the blessing and the curse of unstable apt-get, you have less control over barfing, but when you DO barf, everyone else does the same barf, so there's only one barf to fix
[12:37] <shock> .gnome_private and those might contain some stuff too
[12:37] <shock> what you could do, ofc - is tar your complete home dir ;)
[12:37] <shock> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050218
[12:38] <viper12> you got it jacq.  and with hoary......that's actually a good thing......if documented. :D
[12:38] <viper12> afk brb
[12:38] <Scaramouche> thanks shock!
[12:39] <jacquesmerde> viper12, its especially good if you have generic hardware, so MORE and MORE people can be saddled with your barf, so it'll get fixed sooner. thats the joy of apt-get on ubuntu hoary, taking everyone down with you! i just get a bit impatient about the fix though, though about is pretty fast in barf-fixing
[12:39] <shock> thats why having a seperate /home partition is usually a good idea
[12:40] <shock> so if you reinstall - go for manual partitioning and set up a seperate home ( if you do 5-7 G is WAY enough for / )
[12:40] <CarlK>  can flukebox have "desktop icons" ?
[12:40] <Tsjoklat> I think you are comparing apples with oranges.. apt-get is fantastic.. synaptic a tad less
[12:42] <Scaramouche> yes shock, that's exactly my dilemma.  I should have tried to change the partition options to begin with.  But I went with the default warty install.
[12:42] <viper12> back.
[12:42] <Scaramouche> quick def of barf would be appreciated
 -- well use parted to resize the partitions
[12:43] <viper12> and lol jacqes...I hear you...another reason I decided on ubu for my distro.......the community/development is really really on target.
[12:43] <shock> and create a new one
[12:43] <Scaramouche> qtparted?
[12:43] <shock> then mount it, copy your entire home dir to that partition and change fstab accordingly
[12:44] <shock> i allways go with console parted :P
[12:44] <shock> cause Im comfy with it
[12:44] <shock> dunno how  well qt-parted is
[12:44] <shock> *g*
[12:44] <Scaramouche> ok!
[12:45] <shock> its some hassle - but the benefit of a home partition that wont vanish if a reinstall is required greatly outstands this
[12:45] <viper12> I want the interface from 'snow crash'.  no text, no command lines, I just put the headset on, and there we all are.....in a bar shooting the shiz.  heh heh
[12:45] <jstn_7> hi, has any one had trouble installing ubuntu as a dual boot with windows xp?
[12:45] <shock> btw - the fstab entry for the home partition shoul later look like this: "/dev/hda6       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2"
[12:46] <viper12> jstn..........dual boot if xp on first, or xp on AFTER?
[12:46] <shock> ofc u need to adjust the "/dev/hda6" part
[12:46] <jstn_7> xp on first
[12:46] <Scaramouche> shock, my only issue with the seperate home partition is, I have no clue how much space I should leave for the rest of linux on this 40 gig drive... should say 2 gigs be enough for the non-home system files or whatever?
[12:46] <viper12> then that'd be a 'no' from my neck of the woods...didn't have any probs. ( i did have to repartition, but used part.magic to do that.)
[12:47] <jstn_7> what happens is i install ubuntu, install grub on the mbr, as suggested, then i can't get into windows
 --- 2 gig is too few
[12:47] <viper12> I didn't have any issues with that at all jstn.  grub loaded up and saw xp and listed it no sweat.
[12:47] <shock> id say leave 5-7 gig
[12:48] <jstn_7> hmm,
[12:48] <jstn_7> I had a look through the forums
[12:48] <shock> that way you will never ever have to worry about your system space ;)
[12:48] <jstn_7> and changed the relevant line to rootnoverify
[12:48] <CarlK> viper12 - I vote 4gig.
[12:48] <jstn_7> and all i get is a flash cursor when loading windows
[12:48] <jstn_7> flashing*
[12:48] <viper12> 4gig? carl? were you talking to shock?
[12:48] <jstn_7> and then nothing happens
[12:48] <vniki> wha best distro hoary or warty?
[12:48] <shock> kde+gnome+some devel-tools is around 4.2 gig
[12:49] <CarlK> viper12 - um... looks like it
[12:49] <CarlK> shock - I vote 4gig.
[12:49] <viper12> vniki, warty is production........hoary is test at this point.  so if you want it to work, i'd say warty for now.
[12:49] <CarlK> vniki - hoary
[12:49] <Scaramouche> Cool!  Is repartioning with parted fairly safe, shock?  That stuff is what kept my out of linux before.  I trashed a hard drive with Mandrake once.
[12:49] <viper12> (althouth hoary is 'cooler'.)
[12:51] <CarlK> vniki - if you are up to helping make ubunto better, then hoary.   If you just want to install and forget about the rest of us, warty
[12:52] <Rattboi> CarlK, what a choice :P
[12:52] <viper12> lol carlk.......jeez...........lol
[12:52] <viper12> and if vniki NEEDS it to 'work'.....and hoary ka-booms.........blame carlk.
[12:52] <viper12> heh heh
[12:53] <jacquesmerde> viper12, i can't fight the temptation to upgrade my system to a point where its frustratingly too unstable for me, just coz i love the features
[12:53] <Rattboi> I'm with jacquesmerde
[12:53] <Scaramouche> hey I think I'm making ubuntu better by being the "idiot" in "idiot proof" ;-)
[12:53] <viper12> that is WHY I have hoary running on a laptop, and my main box is warty.  I can play.......and still be here if crap goes south.
[12:54] <jacquesmerde> right now i'm thinking, all i want is for hoary to go stable, but once that happens, i'll be sucked into the next unstable release
[12:54] <CarlK> viper12 - thats what the Live CD is for ;)
[12:54] <viper12> .....having been a tech for toooo long me thinks.  heh heh
[12:54] <CarlK> jacquesmerde - I just want to be able to say I am running Grumpy Groundhog
[12:54] <daniels> grumpy is not hoary+1
[12:54] <viper12> that's a good point carlk, but live cd vs. an installed 'unstable'......its jes not the same thing. ;)
[12:55] <jstn_7> is there any way to install grub to a floppy instead of the mbr?
[12:55] <viper12> jstn.......you still sweating that boot loader? lol
[12:55] <CarlK> viper12 = I didn't make my self clear... the live CD is what you use when your unstable goes south
[12:55] <CarlK> jstn_7 - yes (but I am not sure how)
 --- remember to run parted from a live cd
[12:55] <jstn_7> too right, I've installed ubuntu 3 times, and its messed my system :(
[12:56] <viper12> lmao......even better point carlk.........but I still like having more than one box. heh heh
[12:56] <jacquesmerde> when, groundhog hits stable, i shall dub it groundhog day, and will wish to live it every day over and over
[12:56] <shock> cause u need to have the partitions unmounted
[12:56] <shock> :)
[12:56] <shock> but then its fairly safe, yes
[12:56] <shock> atleast for ex2/3 partitions
[12:56] <CarlK> viper12 - besides, what ar the odd's of both unstable's going south at the same time?
[12:56] <Scaramouche> good catch shock!  thanks!
[12:56] <viper12> jstn, you can also install grub in another partition besides the mbr.
[12:56] <kzm> Hi all....
[12:57] <kzm> Question: I can't seem to get Emacs keybindings in GTK (i.e. Gaim)
[12:57] <jstn_7> yea, i was thinking of creating a /boot partition
[12:57] <viper12> carlk.............murphy's law dictates that the odds are 1:1 at the worst time. ;)
[12:57] <CarlK> viper12 - lol... good point
[12:57] <Scaramouche> jacquesmerde, what if it sees it's shadow, 6 more weeks of hoar-frost? ;-
[12:57] <viper12> jacq just bailed. scara.
[12:57] <kzm> I've modified (created) .gtkrc-2.0, added the line to it, checked (strace) that Gaim reads it, but it still loads Default keybindings....any hint?
[12:58] <jstn_7> but, would that need to be within the first 1024 cylinders?
[12:58] <Scaramouche> another bad pun wasted
[12:58] <jstn_7> I heard some about a bios cylinder limit
[12:59] <jstn_7> something*
[12:59] <viper12> jstn, I believe those limitation warnings apply to older hardware.  if the bios supports large parts, and I'm guessing yours does.......it should be okay.....but grub is pretty rock solid.
[12:59] <Scaramouche> Shock, thanks for the clear info.  helps a lot.  Now where did i put that cd...
[12:59] <shock> *g*
[12:59] <jstn_7> ok, thanks
[12:59] <viper12> np
[01:00] <kzm> Anybody?
[01:00] <viper12> If it were up to me........I'd make everyone download a live cd and TRY it first before installing....
[01:01] <viper12> kzm...sorry, don't have ze first clue.  if noone can answer in here.........you might wanna post that to the forums....bet someone would have an answer.
[01:01] <aroman> how stable are hoary packages? are there any major problems? and is there a list of current bugs?
[01:02] <viper12> not shabby aroman........but it still is test releases.........and the ubu forums have really good info on show stoppers and such.
[01:02] <jdub> aroman: it's in development, but close to release. bugzilla.ubuntu.com for bugs.
[01:02] <CarlK> aroman - the only problem I have found with hoary is apt-get depdancies aren't all there
[01:03] <CarlK> er, one or two aren't
[01:03] <aroman> CarlK, which ones?
[01:04] <CarlK> aroman - looking for it...
[01:05] <CarlK> "apt-get install gnome" said among other things: "...package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed."
[01:05] <aroman> jdub, so was debian sarge for more than a year, yet was perfectly stable for me... I guess I'm saying... if I upgrade through apt, how well will it work?
[01:06] <jdub> aroman: lots of people are using it. our release schedule is not like debian's.
[01:06] <CarlK> damm, someone did tell me to file... I thought i was told not to...
[01:06] <aroman> jdub, well if lots of ppl are using it... I think I should ;)
[01:06] <jdub> CarlK: we don't have a 'gnome' meta package
[01:06] <CarlK> ah, I was told both, and missed the bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[01:07] <jdub> CarlK: not supported, anyway
[01:07] <jdub> CarlK: why do you want to install that?
[01:07] <aroman> I'm guessing... that to upgrade all I need to do is s/warty/hoary/g in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:07] <CarlK> jdub - I started with a server install
[01:07] <viper12> the trick aroman is to decide if you want to use it.  if you need 'stability' and potential downtime isn't an option...then don't.  If you wish to test and such..then do....and for the most part its pretty rock solid, but mileage, like users, will vary.
[01:07] <jdub> CarlK: ok, so either reinstall, or install ubuntu-desktop
[01:08] <CarlK> jdub - it is a small box, don't want everything
[01:08] <aroman> viper12, all right... I'm willing to take my chances ;)
[01:08] <viper12> dat's da spirit! :)
[01:08] <aroman> what's the proper upgrade path?
[01:08] <CarlK> yipee!
[01:08] <jdub> CarlK: so look through the dependencies before it installs, and pick and choose
[01:08] <CarlK> jdub - that's what I am doing
[01:09] <viper12> aroman:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2555
[01:09] <viper12> the first two posts are all ya need.
[01:09] <pdr> nor nagios 2.0
[01:10] <viper12> oh...aro, you on warty now right?
[01:10] <CarlK> the plan is to put the box in my front room and have a touch screen (touch-mate old pizza box type)
[01:10] <aroman> viper12, hehe I was right there ...
[01:10] <viper12> lol.
[01:10] <viper12> day ja vooo.
[01:12] <CarlK> so what windo manager (or would it be something else) that will let me have desktop icons to lauch apps?
[01:12] <Thom_Holwerda> erm
[01:12] <Thom_Holwerda> gnome, kde
[01:12] <jdub> CarlK: nautilus manages the desktop
[01:13] <CarlK> jdub - so nautilus and flukebox is a valid pair?
[01:13] <jdub> sure
[01:13] <Thom_Holwerda> there's a folder in your home dir called "Desktop"
[01:13] <CarlK> thanks
[01:13] <Thom_Holwerda> indeed
[01:13] <viper12> welp, i'm outta here. take care all.
[01:14] <aroman> damn my dns lookups are slow :( and I disabled ipv6...
[01:14] <shock> cu all on sunday...
[01:14] <LinuxJones> aroman, where did you disable it ?
[01:14] <aroman> LinuxJones, in /etc/modules.conf or something like that
[01:15] <aroman> and why does apt-get dist-upgrade want to remove ubuntu-desktop (after sources.list update to hoary)?
[01:16] <jdub> aroman: start with upgrade, not dist-upgrade
[01:16] <aroman> jdub, why?
[01:16] <jdub> aroman: to avoid that
[01:17] <aroman> bu what is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[01:17] <CarlK> On startup I see: "warning! /etc/modprobe.conf exists but  does not include /etc/rc.modules" (or something... it scrolled off and I can't find it in dmesg or messages... where should I look for the message?) or if that is the message, what do I need to do?
[01:17] <jdub> aroman: dist-upgrade will happily add and remove packages to resolve the upgrade
[01:18] <aroman> ah ok
[01:18] <daniels> whereas upgrade just installs new versions of stuff
[01:18] <LinuxJones> aroman, you need to edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases to stop that module from being loaded
[01:18] <aroman> LinuxJones, yeah that's prolly waht I did
[01:19] <aroman> followed that ubuntuguide.org
[01:19] <dtygel> hi all :)
[01:20] <dtygel> Does anyone know how to install apacha-php-mysql in ubuntu?
[01:20] <dtygel> I tried aptitude install apache php4 mysql-server, but it didn't find any php4 package...
[01:21] <dtygel> ...so I gave up.
[01:22] <jdub> dtygel: libapache2-mod-php4
[01:22] <jdub> dtygel: and that will install apache2, not apache
[01:23] <jdub> dtygel: on a server, i strongly recommend sticking to supported packages, not enabling universe
[01:25] <dtygel> so apache 2 is supported package, and apache1.3 is universe?
[01:25] <dtygel> rather odd.
[01:28] <xukun> Hi all, I,m having hard time installing user modde linux. Is there anybody who I can ask some quations?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> dtygel, no it would be the other way around
[01:31] <dtygel> linuxjones: I thought apache1.3 was more stable...
[01:31] <Tsjoklat> dtygel, Apache2 is better
[01:31] <Tsjoklat> Apache1 already uses heaps of things from Apache2
[01:32] <dtygel> nice: so I'll stick to apache 2:) (you convinced me). And how is the command line to install the whole pack (apache2, php4, mysql)?
[01:32] <Tsjoklat> apt-get install apache2
[01:32] <LinuxJones> dtygel, it's just that alot of plugins are not as well supported in Version 2
[01:33] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: isnt it early there to be awake? :)
[01:33] <dtygel> linuxjones: I didn't get it. So why is apache 2 better?
[01:33] <dtygel> tsjoklat: thank you. And then mysql? What comes first?
[01:33] <LinuxJones> xukun, what is user mode linux again ?
[01:34] <raghu> dtygel: you can brake the long apache file to smaller modules
[01:34] <raghu> dtygel: in version2
[01:34] <|QuaD|> dtygel...do it in either order... if there is  adependency it will fix it automatically
[01:34] <LinuxJones> dtygel, that's where are of the coding is taking place,
[01:35] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, haven't slept yet dear :)
[01:35] <Tsjoklat> dtygel also Apache2 is nicer on your mem
[01:36] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: leading a schedule like mine... though i went to bed early tonight. how was your kubuntu install?
[01:36] <dtygel> cool, raghu, tsjoklat and linuxjones: I'll try it.
[01:36] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, still plotting away .. had to take a break yesterday.. was my bday
[01:36] <|QuaD|> happy bday did you do anything fun
[01:37] <raghu> Tsjoklat: belated wishes dude
[01:37] <RU63> can anyone help me out with xorg?  i just did a: sudo apt-get source xorg
[01:37] <nix000> anyone tell me where i can get the kernel config file for hoary ? i am trying to run it under warty.
[01:37] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, eat a lot lol and thanks raghu even though I am a dudette :)
[01:37] <RU63> what should i do now
[01:38] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: as long as you had fun :) i am stuck in an airport hotel now waiting for my ride
[01:38] <nix000> Tsjoklat, what you doing in here with a baby poo on your hands !!!
[01:38] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, where are you right now?
[01:38] <Tsjoklat> nix000, hamana?
[01:38] <dtygel> Folks, am I correct if I put: 1)apt-get install apache2; 2) apt-get install mysql-server; 3) configure for php (how?)
[01:38] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: philly... some company flew me out here
[01:39] <Tsjoklat> dtygel there is a great wike page about it do a google for it
[01:39] <nix000> Tsjoklat, me no understand
[01:39] <dtygel> tsjoklat: I'll go for it, thanks.
[01:39] <Tsjoklat> nix000, me neithre
[01:39] <Tsjoklat> nix000, that makes two I meant
[01:39] <maximaus> hallo! Anyone familiar with getting an ancient ISA soundcard to talk?
[01:39] <Tsjoklat> dtygel, I would give you the link but I have no web browser atm sorry
[01:39] <RU63> if i have installed xorg, do i need to do anything?
[01:40] <nix000> maximaus, pray a lot !
[01:40] <CarlK> maximaus  - I am working on that too - what card?
[01:40] <maximaus> LOL
[01:40] <maximaus> I think its just a sb compatible
[01:40] <CarlK> maximaus - does "aplay -l " show a card?
[01:40] <maximaus> Ive only one pci port and thats for networking
[01:40] <nix000> maximaus, they had a plug and pray concept for isa cards back then
[01:40] <maximaus> CarlK,  let me check
[01:41] <maximaus> no soundcards found :/
[01:41] <maximaus> crap
[01:41] <CarlK> maximaus - lspnp - that should give you a hint as to which card
[01:42] <maximaus> CarlK, Ive not got that command available.
[01:43] <dtygel> Tsjoklat, is it a wiki page inside ubuntu.org? I searched it and found nothing. I also googled and found anything. Should I look for "debian" instead of "ubuntu"?
[01:43] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[01:43] <Tsjoklat> dtygel, hold a minute will you please? I'll get it for you
[01:43] <CarlK> um, anyone know why maximaus doesn't have lspnp?
[01:43] <CarlK> maximaus - warty or hoary?
[01:43] <maximaus> Im on warty.
[01:44] <maximaus> Im on vacation in Sweden and bringing an ancient box to life. :D
[01:44] <CarlK> hmm.. I am on hoary... surprised you don't have lspnp
[01:44] <maximaus> me too
[01:44] <maximaus> I ran a whereis just to make sure
[01:44] <CarlK> maximaus - if you only have 1 pci, i would use that for sound and isa for ethernet
[01:45] <maximaus> CarlK, yeah thats logical--but my cousins just sprang for a new pci network card--the fools...LOL
[01:45] <CarlK> I am assuming you have a pile of cards to pick from ;)
[01:45] <maximaus> pile of soundcards. :P
[01:45] <CarlK> maximaus - maybe you can hook some speakers up to it
[01:46] <zim> need to burn 50 CDs fast where can i find a command line script to hdc to hdd
[01:46] <maximaus> LOL, no the mixer shows nothing and the pci card works great.
[01:46] <fc> how can i install firefox 1.0 with dom inspector ?
[01:46] <zim> Please anyone who can help
[01:46] <CarlK> zim - huh?
[01:46] <edulix> hey
[01:46] <edulix> someone installed recently beagle in hoary?
[01:47] <Tsjoklat> dtygel, apachefreaks.com
[01:47] <maximaus> catch you all later, Ive got to grab the last two hours of scandanavian daylight.
[01:47] <maximaus> thanks
[01:47] <zim> need to make 100 cds for a cliant i have made the master and want to copy it 100 times
[01:47] <dtygel> thank you Tsjoklat! I'm opening it right now.
[01:47] <Tsjoklat> dtygel, http://www.apachefreaks.com
[01:47] <remon> Hi, does anybody know if a 250 Gig hdd can be used with just one partition (ext3) Grub fails to load after install with error 18 when I do a "simple" install :-( It worked before on a hard disk of 10 Gigs. The system is a PIII
[01:47] <CarlK> maximaus - i hear SB compat isn't al;wasy SB compat
[01:47] <CarlK> zim - 2 steps
[01:48] <CarlK> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=master.iso
[01:48] <zim> ok
[01:48] <zim> then
[01:48] <CarlK> cdrecord dev=/dev/cdr master.iso
[01:48] <zim> ty
[01:48] <CarlK> (i made up the cdr.. you will need to figure out the device)
[01:48] <zim> will try it
[01:48] <CarlK> zim - linux 2.4 or 2.6?
[01:49] <remon> btw, I was very surprised by the installer, on my 10 Gig hdd the install was the most simple I'd ever had with a Linux system :-)
[01:49] <zim> have ubuntu and fc3
[01:49] <zim> both are 2.6 i think
[01:50] <CarlK> if the cdrecord can't find the burner, come back ;)
[01:50] <CarlK> cdrecord -eject dev=/dev/cdr master.iso
[01:51] <CarlK> just so you know when to switch disks
[01:51] <CarlK> btw - now would be a good time to buy a faster burner ;)
[01:54] <CarlK> maximaus - (if you are still here)  "A word about compatibility: even though most sound cards are claimed to be SoundBlaster compatible, very few currently sold cards are compatible enough to work with the Linux SoundBlaster driver."
[01:54] <CarlK> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO/x96.html
[01:54] <zim> CarlK :[root@targa equiplus] # dd if=/dev/hdc of=master.iso
[01:54] <zim> dd: reading `/dev/hdc': Input/output error
[01:54] <zim> 281512+0 records in
[01:54] <zim> 281512+0 records out
[01:55] <CarlK> zim - best not to do multi line pastes in IRC...
[01:55] <CarlK> zim - you may have a bad master
[01:56] <CarlK> but, you can test master.iso
[01:56] <CarlK> mkdir iso
[01:56] <zim> will do with mount
[01:56] <CarlK> mount -o loop master.iso iso
[01:57] <CarlK> yup
[01:57] <zim> do you need the last iso i have never used it what is it
[01:58] <zim> sorry dumb Q
[01:58] <CarlK> zim - the mount.. yeah...
[01:58] <CarlK> its the somewhere in mountsomething somewhere
[01:58] <zim> i normaly call (iso) CD
[01:59] <CarlK> find iso/ -exec md5sum {} \;|tee index.md5
[02:00] <CarlK> cd /mnt/cdrom
[02:00] <CarlK> md5sum --check /otherdir/index.md5
[02:01] <zim> CarlK can you make an iso from a folder
[02:01] <CarlK> I have been making index.md5 part of the master so that I can check the cd
[02:01] <CarlK> zim - mkisofs
[02:01] <zim> rfm yeah
[02:09] <AndyR> ll
[02:09] <AndyR> lo all
[02:09] <inc_> sup room
[02:10] <LinuxJones> hi guys
[02:11] <scoon> yo, yo, yo
[02:12] <CarlK> where do sound card module parameters go?
[02:13] <jono> how can I find out which module in lsmod is the one for my wireless card (centrino)?
[02:13] <daniels> jono: ipw2[12] 00
[02:13] <CarlK> jono - dmesg|less
[02:13] <CarlK> or just ask here ;)
[02:13] <LUDO_I_BRZO> hi all
[02:14] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i need some help
[02:14] <scoon> LUDO_I_BRZO, we all do.  but none of us can read minds or fingers for that matter.
[02:14] <LUDO_I_BRZO> can enyone tel me where can i get img files for ubuntu for meaking a bootable floppies with rawrite
[02:14] <CarlK> I can...
[02:14] <CarlK> you need to type some things...
[02:15] <scoon> CarlK, you can read minds and fingers
[02:15] <scoon> CarlK, damn, that's hot.
[02:15] <jono> daniels, cheers
[02:15] <inc_> floppies.. eww
[02:15] <CarlK> don't really need to.  all problems have a basic answer
[02:15] <jono> I am having some real problems with the driver - it keeps dropping the connection
[02:15] <LUDO_I_BRZO> hey do not disscredit floppies
[02:16] <LUDO_I_BRZO> the thing is
[02:16] <CarlK> LUDO_I_BRZO - you have a CD but it wont boot?
[02:16] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i have a laptop with no cd-rom
[02:16] <LUDO_I_BRZO> just a floppy and usb
[02:16] <inc_> usb :)
[02:16] <LUDO_I_BRZO> now, my bios does not have a boot from usb device option
[02:16] <inc_> :(
[02:16] <LUDO_I_BRZO> and i want to install ubuntu on it
[02:17] <dtygel> folks: is it possible to just install LAMP from apachefriends.org in ubuntu?
[02:17] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i did it with mandrake and rawrite and bootable floppy to get to my usb cd-rom
[02:17] <LUDO_I_BRZO> now.. where can i find the img files for ubuntu?
[02:17] <rel> hi, anyone knows whats the difference between amd64-generic and amd64-k8
[02:17] <inc_> damnsmalllinux would prob be better in that case .. it rox
[02:17] <CarlK> LUDO_I_BRZO - try this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:17] <jono> is there a way I can find out the driver version of my ipw2200 driver?
[02:18] <LUDO_I_BRZO> That link doesnt tell me where to get img files
[02:19] <CarlK> LUDO_I_BRZO correct.
[02:19] <inc_> don't have the ubuntu iso?
[02:20] <LUDO_I_BRZO> no img files to use with rawrite to make a boot floppy that can probe my usb cd-rom
[02:21] <CarlK> huh - I thought it would boot from usb...
[02:22] <inc_> ludo.. you reading that link  carlk sent you?
[02:22] <CarlK> inc_ - it doesn't look like it it will cut it
[02:23] <inc_> the smart boot manager looks like it may
[02:23] <inc_> maybe able to choose the usb dev to boot from
[02:23] <CarlK> inc_ - it doesn't do usb
[02:24] <CarlK> inc_ - i would think they would mention it, but so far none of the doc pages mention usb
[02:24] <Rocha> Hello
[02:24] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i was look up this link...
[02:24] <LUDO_I_BRZO> if it doesnt do usb then its no use...
[02:24] <LUDO_I_BRZO> how come mandrake does?
[02:24] <LUDO_I_BRZO> and ubuntu doesnt?
[02:25] <CarlK> cuz most boxes have a CD rom ;)
[02:25] <LUDO_I_BRZO> coz ubuntu sucks?
[02:25] <LUDO_I_BRZO> or u guys suck? ;)
[02:25] <LUDO_I_BRZO> kidding
[02:26] <housetier> "haha"
[02:26] <LUDO_I_BRZO> no realy, there must be a way!
[02:26] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i just have to find it even if it means sticking with mandrake
[02:26] <CarlK> LUDO_I_BRZO - can yout bios boot from USB?
[02:26] <Rocha> I have a computer here where i can't install ubuntu because the installer doens't find the cdrom
[02:26] <LUDO_I_BRZO> nope
[02:26] <inc_> i dunno maybe the caveman hardware sucks lol
[02:28] <Rocha> Do you have any idea of what might be happening?
[02:29] <LUDO_I_BRZO> come on guys! i tought u where all ubuntu gurus here.. a tip. a hint... anything?
[02:29] <Rocha> The installer boots, prompts for the language and keyboard but when it is going to start the installation it fails because it can't find the cdrom
[02:29] <inc_> hey.. you running windows on that box lundp:
[02:29] <inc_> ludo^
[02:29] <evarlast> LUDO_I_BRZO: what is the issue?
[02:29] <LUDO_I_BRZO> nope
[02:30] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i got it erased...
[02:30] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i had winxp on it
[02:30] <inc_> found a cool thread on installing linux from windows
[02:30] <inc_> http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=12;t=4683;hl=boot+floppy+to+usb
[02:31] <LUDO_I_BRZO> now i have mandrake but i want ubuntuuuuuu
[02:31] <Rocha> Mandrake is not a good distro
[02:31] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i know!
[02:31] <LinuxJones> LUDO_I_BRZO, why can't your system boot to a usb cdrom ?
[02:31] <LUDO_I_BRZO> my bios doesnt support it
[02:31] <evarlast> Mandrake is a VERY good distro - obviously - it solves this problem for LUDO_I_BRZO, yet ubuntu does not!
[02:31] <LUDO_I_BRZO> its a hp pavilion n5295
[02:31] <LUDO_I_BRZO> pentiom III
[02:32] <LinuxJones> LUDO_I_BRZO, do you have an old cdrom kicking around ?
[02:32] <LUDO_I_BRZO> i have an external usb cd rom
[02:32] <LUDO_I_BRZO> and i did use it do install mandrake...
[02:32] <LUDO_I_BRZO> now i want the same thing with ubuntu but...
[02:32] <LUDO_I_BRZO> a big BUT
[02:32] <CarlK> i bet the USB cd is just an IDE cd in a box....  got a screwdriver?
[02:32] <LUDO_I_BRZO> nobody can tell me how
[02:32] <evarlast> LUDO_I_BRZO: I think the "debian way"(which is the ubuntu way, when ubuntu doesn't have a better solution)  would be to build your own boot floppies which include usb modules for your system.
[02:33] <LUDO_I_BRZO> that sounds complicated
[02:33] <evarlast> LUDO_I_BRZO: or build a monolithic kernel with all the drivers you need to install.
[02:33] <LUDO_I_BRZO> im new to this linux thing
[02:33] <CarlK> screwdriver...
[02:33] <evarlast> LUDO_I_BRZO: it is not easy.  I'd stick with MDK for now.
[02:33] <apj_ubuntu> I think may be use debian
[02:33] <LUDO_I_BRZO> jup clarck, u are right
[02:33] <LUDO_I_BRZO> its an ide cd rom in a usb hard drive box
[02:33] <LUDO_I_BRZO> but it works
[02:34] <apj_ubuntu> and after that you upgrade it to ubuntu
[02:34] <LUDO_I_BRZO> it doesnt work that way
[02:34] <LUDO_I_BRZO> this is not windows we are talking about
[02:34] <LUDO_I_BRZO> oh u mean from debian to ubuntu?
[02:34] <LUDO_I_BRZO> it can be done?
[02:35] <CarlK> huh?  hook the CD drive up to the IDE, install, put the CD back in the USB box
[02:35] <MartinC> hey guys just a quick question ... i installed a fresh copy of ubuntu on a newly partioned hd, it installed fine and now it's downloading A LOT of updates ... how long will these updates take on an adsl connection?
[02:35] <apj_ubuntu> Yes..
[02:35] <apj_ubuntu> i have the same problem as you face now.
[02:35] <LUDO_I_BRZO> clarck! pay attention.. its a laptop we are talking about!!!!!
[02:35] <apj_ubuntu> my pc have no external cd
[02:35] <apj_ubuntu> i install debian with floppy
[02:35] <HiddenWolf> MartinC: it will tell you.
[02:36] <LUDO_I_BRZO> how?
[02:36] <LUDO_I_BRZO> net boot?
[02:36] <LUDO_I_BRZO> ap'j..
[02:36] <apj_ubuntu> after that i upgrade it to hoary by change the apt source
[02:36] <apj_ubuntu> by 3 floppy of debian
[02:36] <MartinC> <- n00b
[02:36] <MartinC> thanks wolf
[02:36] <CarlK> oh yeah...
[02:36] <HiddenWolf> MartinC: np. :-)
[02:36] <LUDO_I_BRZO> 3 floppies?
[02:36] <apj_ubuntu> yep
[02:37] <LUDO_I_BRZO> where can i get them from?
[02:37] <apj_ubuntu> root.img
[02:37] <apj_ubuntu> boot.img
[02:37] <LUDO_I_BRZO> where can i get these img files from?
[02:37] <LUDO_I_BRZO> got any links?
[02:37] <apj_ubuntu> net-drivers.img
[02:37] <apj_ubuntu> wait a moment
[02:37] <LUDO_I_BRZO> usb.img? maybe?
[02:38] <LUDO_I_BRZO> for mandrake its hdcdrom.img... and it probes my usb as well
[02:38] <MartinC> wolf after the installation is complete will the pc boot into an ubuntu GUI ? Also will it have issues with an OOOOooold cirrus logic circa 1995 vga display adapter?
[02:38] <apj_ubuntu> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/
[02:39] <no0tic> hi
[02:39] <Nermal> beep
[02:40] <no0tic> I'm searching for an independent equalizator, not integrated in any app
[02:40] <apj_ubuntu> http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst
[02:40] <apj_ubuntu> Please refer to above url for floppy disk
[02:40] <inc_> LUDO: try this http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/talk/node/60
[02:40] <no0tic> so I can manage trebles and basses with it for the whole system or something similar...
[02:41] <apj_ubuntu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1100762912/view?searchterm=debian
[02:41] <apj_ubuntu> the above url tell the instruction to upgrade to ubunt=
[02:42] <apj_ubuntu> :)
[02:42] <inc_> LUDO: url to your boot.img ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/
[02:42] <LUDO_I_BRZO> tnx guys... i think i can take it from here.. i think...
[02:42] <LUDO_I_BRZO> tnx for your patience and all ur help, god bless and love u all!
[02:42] <LUDO_I_BRZO> mey the force be with u
[02:43] <inc_> ubuntu
[02:43] <LUDO_I_BRZO> bles ur kernels and speed up ure machines
[02:43] <apj_ubuntu> Force be with ubuntu
[02:43] <Nermal> LUDO_I_BRZO, speak properly
[02:43] <Nermal> or apt-get install aspell
[02:43] <LUDO_I_BRZO> ubntu to the people
[02:43] <Nermal> berk
[02:44] <inc_> anyone know some good apps from sniffing wireless and maybe massaging crypted connections lol
[02:44] <apj_ubuntu> Good luck
[02:45] <Nermal> inc_, there are a couple
[02:45] <Nermal> snort ?
[02:45] <Nermal> airjack ?
[02:45] <inc_> heard of snort
[02:45] <Nermal> maybeyoushouldgetoutmore?
[02:45] <inc_> airjack?
[02:45] <Nermal> aye
[02:45] <inc_> i'm lookin lol
[02:46] <Nermal> "AirJack is a device driver (or suit of device drivers) for 802.11(a/b/g) raw frame injection and reception. It is ment as a development tool for all manor of 802.11 applications that need to access the raw protocol."
[02:46] <inc_> well i'll google airjack.. was mainly looking for some good ones
[02:46] <Nermal> AirSnort is a wireless LAN (WLAN) tool which recovers encryption keys. is about as good as it gets
[02:47] <Nermal> I presume this is solely for research purposes / proof of concept
[02:47] <inc_> i want to crack my wireless... and may someone elses lol
[02:47] <Nermal> that would be airsnort then
[02:47] <Nermal> "AirSnort operates by passively monitoring transmissions, computing the encryption key when enough packets have been gathered."
[02:47] <Nermal> I heard you have to have quite a large amount of packets though
[02:47] <inc_> security reasons :)
[02:48] <evarlast> Nah, he is parked outside a walmart right now.
[02:48] <Nermal> ah.. a bushism
[02:48] <inc_> hehe starbucks.. hotspot... nah.. at home right now
[02:48] <CarlK> that's because he was hired by walmart to evaluate there security ;)
[02:48] <Nermal> <-- inc_ has quit (Read error: 108 (Being towed))
[02:49] <CarlK> lol
[02:49] <inc_> noo..... haha get the hooks off
[02:49] <inc_> you're gonna scratch the primer
[02:50] <CarlK> anyone good with convert?  I need to make a mutipage .tiff from foo1.scx, foo2.scx, foo3.scx
[02:50] <CarlK> not sure how to do the muli page thing
[02:51] <MartinC> will this installation of ubuntu work today?
[02:52] <MartinC> mmm heads
[02:52] <pinotree> hi all
[02:52] <krism> hi, piney.
[02:52] <apj_ubuntu> what installaton?
[02:52] <CarlK> eight ball syas yes
[02:52] <apj_ubuntu> hoary or warty
[02:52] <CarlK> wow... convert foo?.gif foo.tiff
[02:52] <MartinC> sounds promising carlk
[02:52] <CarlK> that simple.
[02:53] <pinotree> i installed Xorg from ubuntu on my Debian
[02:53] <krism> pinetree: i assume you mean ubuntu-hoary ?
[02:53] <pinotree> which package the file Xdmcp.h is in?
[02:53] <apj_ubuntu> you have to install ubuntu desktop
[02:53] <daniels> pinotree: libxdmcp-dev
[02:54] <krism> daniels : how did you figure that out so fast?
[02:54] <daniels> krism: because I maintain the package and I was the one that split libxdmcp* out of xlibs-static-dev
[02:54] <krism> daniels : (it often happens to me that i need to find out which package has $x, .. so i usually spend an eternity googling)
[02:54] <krism> daniels : oh.
[02:54] <krism> daniels : :)
[02:54] <pinotree> daniels: thanks, i'm updating sources now
[02:56] <pinotree> daniels: thanks, it works now :D
[02:59] <pinotree> daniels: it would be nice thing to have the "search for/in package" like debian site does
[02:59] <daniels> pinotree: yeah, tell me about it :\
[02:59] <rcaskey_> hey daniels: has anyone ever speced out the hardware database fully?
[03:00] <daniels> rcaskey_: not sure, sorry
[03:00] <MacPlusG3> daniels: dude!
[03:00] <daniels> MacPlusG3: dude!
[03:00] <MacPlusG3> daniels: how's things?
[03:00] <zim> CarlK you still here ?
[03:00] <daniels> MacPlusG3: busy, but good -- you?
[03:01] <MacPlusG3> daniels: same. very sleepy atm. should probably actually sleep at some point :)
[03:01] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh :) i know the feeling
[03:01] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i took the plunge and switched desktop from sid to hoary.
[03:01] <MacPlusG3> daniels: discovered great brokenness in d-i's raid setup tools. must remember to file bugs....
[03:02] <Patke> Can someone help me...
[03:02] <rel> any easy way to remove kernel-modules I dont need? Or the only option is to compile a cutom kernel?
[03:02] <MacPlusG3> rel: modules that you don't need aren't loaded. they only use up space on disk
[03:02] <AndyR> anyone installed warty on a biege g3 (old world)
[03:02] <Nermal> Patke, probelem?
[03:02] <MacPlusG3> rel: which is useful if you ever buy that hardware
[03:02] <Patke> It's about installing ubuntu while i want to keep my windows...
[03:03] <AndyR> as i need to use BootX nat yaboot
[03:04] <rel> MacPlusG3, I am used to just enable what I need in a kernel. the defualt ubuntu kernel enables all compiled-in and as modules. Well if it doesnt harm, I can just leave it this way.
[03:04] <AndyR> snot/nat
[03:04] <rel> Wonder how many users leave this as it is
[03:04] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh :) bugs are always good
[03:04] <MacPlusG3> rel: lots. it's really annoying recompiling a kernel just to plug a new device in
[03:04] <tritium> rel, blacklist them
[03:04] <nix000> anyone tell me where i can get the kernel config file for hoary ? i am trying to compile it under warty.
[03:05] <MacPlusG3> daniels: oh, as far as i can work out, along the process of trying hoary, warty (and d-i releases) - it rewrote the RAID superblock.
[03:05] <MacPlusG3> daniels: changing the stripe size.
[03:05] <rel> MacPlusG3, I dnt buy new HW that often, once a year maybe
[03:05] <tritium> rel, i.e. put modules you don't want loaded in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:05] <MacPlusG3> daniels: XFS has trouble mounting a FS where the RAID has just jumbled things up
[03:05] <Nermal> still no working gtk-gnutella for hoary
[03:05] <zim> CarlK: cdrecord -eject dev=/dev/hdd cdmaster.iso is there any way to remove the time out warning
[03:05] <Nermal> I want the MPAA for some company
[03:05] <daniels> MacPlusG3: ah, bugger
[03:05] <rel> tritium, hmm.. Il check on that :)
[03:05] <MacPlusG3> rel: yeah - but security updates as well.
[03:05] <MartinC> hey guys x-server tries to start up and then my screen says frequency out of range
[03:06] <MartinC> what can i do about it ?
[03:06] <MacPlusG3> daniels: interestingly enough, doing 'mdadm --create' fixed it all okay :)
[03:06] <Nermal> MartinC, run xf86config ?
[03:06] <rel> MacPlusG3, there maybe a good point
[03:06] <Patke> I was just wondering can ubuntu read fat32 partitions and write to them
[03:06] <daniels> MacPlusG3: i'd be scared that that would be destructive, but there you go ;)
[03:06] <krism> Patke : yes
[03:06] <MartinC> thaks nermal will give it a go
[03:06] <MartinC> should i try and set the screen resolution lower
[03:06] <MartinC> ?
[03:06] <Patke> thanx alto
[03:06] <Nermal> yah :)
[03:07] <Nermal> or the refresh rate lower
[03:07] <rel> tritium, I always tend to think that compiled in stuff that is not needed effects the kernel in some way. but then again, I don't know shit about kernel internals
[03:07] <MartinC> :)
[03:07] <MacPlusG3> daniels: interesting thing was, you could 'hexdump -C /dev/hda5' and see the outline of an XFS superblock (well, you could with xfs_db as well). xfs_repair would go 'can't find valid superblock' as it looks for some sane things along the way. Going from 8k to 64k stripes doesn't keep much sane. but, the --assemble option has a 'no darnit, ignore the superblock and just listen to what i tell you' option. That was useful.
[03:07] <dtygel> hi all: I just tried to do apt-get install php4 and it says: "cannot find any php4". What is wrong? Doesn't ubuntu have php4??
[03:08] <dtygel> ...tried to google and didn't find a clue on that.
[03:08] <rel> dtygel, apt-cache search php
[03:08] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh, nice :) hardcore fs debugging
[03:08] <dtygel> rel, will it be php4 or php5?
[03:08] <rel> dtygel, that should list you the right package names
[03:08] <tritium> dtygel, it's in Hoary universe
[03:08] <rel> dtygel, whatever you want to install
[03:09] <MacPlusG3> daniels: you have no idea of the horror of xfs_repair scanning every block of a 200GB raid device and just giving up.
[03:09] <MacPlusG3> daniels: all that mythtv footage :)
[03:09] <daniels> MacPlusG3: aieeee
[03:09] <dtygel> tritium: how do I access universe?
[03:09] <tritium> MacPlusG3, do you have mythtv running on powerpc?  What kind of tuner card do you have?
[03:09] <dtygel> rel, it listed several names... how to decide?
[03:10] <apj_ubuntu> bye everybody
[03:10] <sireesh> hey does ubuntu have any embedded linux distribution
[03:10] <MacPlusG3> tritium: have tuner card on x86. never really got mythtv compiled and running on ppc. but that was a while ago.
[03:10] <tritium> dtygel, include the repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <tritium> MacPlusG3, oh, okay.  Thanks.  I just ordered 2 of these yesterday since they were so cheap: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/CRD10186.html
[03:11] <MacPlusG3> daniels: I realised i was way too hardcore when my first guess of my stripe size (when recovering) was correct. it's been like, a year and 3 or 4 months since i made that raid.
[03:11] <dtygel> tritium: I'm using warty: should I upgrade to hoary??
[03:12] <dtygel> ...or can I just include the universe of hoary in the apt file?
[03:12] <tritium> dtygel, that depends on how badly you need php4
[03:12] <MacPlusG3> tritium: you're north american based right? i.e. have no idea if this works in .au
[03:12] <tritium> MacPlusG3, yes, I am.
[03:13] <MacPlusG3> tritium: doh! would love to know if these things work here.
[03:13] <dtygel> tritium: I really need it: I'm installing a local server (apache-php-mysql) for web-designing...
[03:13] <sireesh> every one is trying to use WINCE as embedded system os and initialy everone starts with that. If distribution for embedded Linux id available , which contain all development toolset kike WINCE platform builder then everyone will start using embedded Linux as OS.
[03:15] <tritium> MacPlusG3, I think it does
[03:15] <tritium> dtygel, it would be easiest to upgrade to Hoary then
[03:16] <evarlast> sireesh: says you.
[03:16] <dtygel> tritium: how do I do that? apt-get upgrade?
[03:16] <tritium> MacPlusG3, this guy is using one in Australia: http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0700H/vnewsf4.htm
[03:16] <sireesh> evar last is it possible like that ...
[03:17] <pybe> trying to boot the net-install kernel from grub for dos. it loads the initrd then says cannot open root device rd/0 does anyone know what the root device should be set to?
[03:17] <dtygel> tritium, I found it in ubuntu site. I'll do it. Is it too dangerous? Am I going to loose something?
[03:17] <MacPlusG3> tritium: wow... os2... haven't heard of that in yeras.
[03:18] <tritium> dtygel, you need to understand that it's not a stable release yet
[03:18] <evarlast> sireesh: anything is possible.  but it is not lickly.
[03:18] <evarlast> likely
[03:18] <MacPlusG3> dtygel: php4 should be in universe at least.
[03:18] <tritium> MacPlusG3, yeah.  Looks like he had to load some region-specific file when he used it...
[03:18] <JsPr> MacPlusG3, take a look at http://www.ecomstation.com then :-)
[03:19] <MacPlusG3> dtygel: is at least in hoary universe. don't see why php wouldn't be in warty.
[03:19] <dtygel> tritium and macplus: so maybe I should just enable universe, download php4 and stick in warty?
[03:19] <sireesh> every tools are available on the net if any one intialize the project then linux will be only OS used and we can standardize the computing world.
[03:19] <tritium> MacPlusG3, I checked with apt-cache policy.  It's only in Hoary.
[03:20] <dtygel> (maybe it's better: I'm too new in ubuntu and debian...)
[03:20] <tritium> I have the Warty repos in my list too, so I can check
[03:20] <MacPlusG3> dtygel: also, you will want the mysql-server-4.1 package (or possibly just use the binaries off mysql.com). 4.1 is the recommended release. (I work for MySQL btw :)
[03:20] <dtygel> thanks tritium!
[03:20] <tritium> dtygel, It's not in Warty universe
[03:20] <sireesh> I think ubuntu's aim is also like that.
[03:21] <dtygel> ok: I'll enable hoary universe and download php4.
[03:21] <tritium> dtygel, you're welcome
[03:21] <dtygel> macplus: I've just installed mysql right now simply by sudo aptitude install mysql
[03:22] <dtygel> macplus, should I change it? Or is it ok?
[03:24] <nix000> i ve been looking for the hoary kernel config file for a while now. i asked in here multiple times beside google. no one knows this or what ?
[03:24] <pybe> never mind its /dev/ram - dont you just love trial and error
[03:24] <dtygel> tritium, I added the following line in the sources.list file: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe" and it didn't find php4 yet. Why? Have I type something wrong?
[03:25] <tritium> dtygel, did you "sudo apt-get update"?
[03:25] <dtygel> tritium let me do it right now. (I did it yesterday afternoon)
[03:25] <tritium> dtygel, that's the only way apt will become aware of what's available in the new repos you added
[03:26] <tritium> yesterday you didn't have those repos listed
[03:26] <dtygel> tritium: ugh, quite a newbie am I :-P
[03:27] <tritium> it's okay :)
[03:27] <DarkMaul> hai guys en galls
[03:27] <DarkMaul> can i ask a question
[03:28] <apokryphos> DarkMaul: Fire away
[03:28] <dtygel> tritium: now it didn't install php4 because the version of apache2 wasn't "good enough". I got the apache2 package from warty repo...
[03:28] <DarkMaul> ty ..
[03:28] <DarkMaul> well iam a n00b on Linux.. but hey need to strat at some place right ..
[03:28] <DarkMaul> start that is
[03:29] <DarkMaul> and ubuntu looks pretty cool .. for me to start with ..
[03:29] <apokryphos> DarkMaul: That's right, you do. Ubuntu is a reasonable distro to start with. Do you have it installed?
[03:29] <DarkMaul> yes ..
[03:29] <DarkMaul> on a second PC
[03:29] <tritium> dtygel, that's why I told you it's easiest to upgrade to Hoary all the way
[03:29] <apokryphos> DarkMaul: Ubuntulinux.org and ubuntuguide.org are good places to start some reading.
[03:30] <DarkMaul> yes yes .. i have seen it al
[03:30] <dtygel> tritium: I guess I'll have to uninstall apache2... and reinstall it from the hoary repo. Correct?
[03:30] <MacPlusG3> okay, sleep time.
[03:30] <DarkMaul> the question .. is more about the desktop manager
[03:30] <MacPlusG3> daniels: night dude - catch up for beer soon.
[03:30] <tritium> dtygel, no need to uninstall
[03:30] <dtygel> tritium: ??
[03:30] <DarkMaul> if i have programs that are based for KDE ... can i just install them on a GNOME desktop
[03:30] <DarkMaul> ?
[03:30] <apokryphos> DarkMaul: I probably won't be able to help you (I use KDE), but ask away -- others might know.
[03:31] <daniels> MacPlusG3: indeed.  flat out all this weekend, but belgian next weekend?
[03:31] <tritium> dtygel, if you install a higher version, it will replace the older version
[03:31] <apokryphos> Oh, sure you can. They won't run as fast, but they will run.
[03:31] <daniels> MacPlusG3: (or maybe the weekend after, when I've been paid; flat broke as well as flat out atm)
[03:31] <DarkMaul> well thats my only question
[03:31] <DarkMaul> :-)
[03:31] <apokryphos> ok =)
[03:31] <DarkMaul> thank you for your time
[03:31] <dtygel> tritium: got it! So I just have to ask to apt-get install apache2 and it will do it? Including the related packages and dependencies?
[03:31] <apokryphos> You will need to have KDE installed, naturally; kdebase and the like.
[03:31] <tritium> daniels, if we contribute to the paypal account on www.ubuntu.com, will that help buy you some beer?
[03:32] <daniels> tritium: unfortunately not
[03:32] <MacPlusG3> daniels: sounds good.
[03:32] <tritium> daniels, strictly for bounties?
[03:32] <MacPlusG3> daniels: after pay is good. beer good. belgian good.
[03:32] <daniels> tritium: i don't have a massive beer deficiency, but I just have to choose what I do -> buy a six-pack of Coopers and head over to a mate's place, not go out in the city for outrageously expensive Belgian beer :)
[03:33] <tritium> daniels, well, enjoy!
[03:33] <daniels> tritium: i'm not exactly sure.  but, in any case, i'll be paid by the time paypal takes to pay out to me
[03:33] <daniels> tritium: will do :)
[03:33] <Nermal> I only have a drink problem when I run out
[03:33] <tritium> dtygel, yes
[03:34] <tritium> dtygel, now you'll have a mixed system.  Don't be surprised if it pulls in a lot of dependencies
[03:34] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh
[03:34] <dtygel> tritium: you are right. I guess I'll just upgrade to hoary!
[03:34] <daniels> MacPlusG3: night dude
[03:34] <tritium> dtygel, how many additional packages does it want to pull in?
[03:35] <remon> perhaps a BUG: during bootup: filesystemtype: ext2 but it's really ext3
[03:35] <p-fox> anyone here tried the gnome-launch-box? how do you run it?
[03:35] <bascule> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4274811.stm
[03:35] <remon> not sure if it can harm one way or the other
[03:36] <AlphaZero> i did a dist-upgrade today and now when i boot it just goes to a black screen, is my system hosed?
[03:36] <AlphaZero> i tried to upgrade to hoary
[03:36] <kreiger> Hey guys
[03:37] <Nermal> eh oh
[03:37] <edulix> hi !
[03:37] <kreiger> ?
[03:37] <MartinC> the screen still says out of frequency, i'm trying an old cirrus logic card because the onboard ati radeon 9200 just makes the screen blink twice
[03:37] <MartinC> ANY ideas?
[03:37] <edulix> there's a graphical tool to fit xfree in the screen ?
[03:37] <edulix> (the monitor doesn't provide one. it's an imac)
[03:37] <Nermal> radeon may need some funky pci=noacpi to work
[03:38] <tritium> AlphaZero, probably just needs a quick fix to your xorg.conf
[03:38] <tritium> AlphaZero, are you using nvidia?
[03:38] <AlphaZero> yes
[03:38] <MartinC> how do i do that nermal?
[03:38] <MartinC> i'd appreciate your help
[03:38] <kreiger> mm
[03:39] <kreiger> i have no sound
[03:39] <AlphaZero> after "loading acpi modules" it goes black and thats it
[03:39] <Nermal> edit /etc/grub/menu.lst and add it to the end of the kernel line
[03:39] <kreiger> i think it decided to use my camera drivers for sound.. how do i find out?
[03:39] <Nermal> or push "e" on the appropriate grub menu entry and edit the kernel line, then hit "b" to boot it
[03:39] <Nermal> kreiger, why would it do that ?
[03:39] <Nermal> I guess dmesg would help
[03:39] <kreiger> I don't know. the knoppix live cd did
[03:40] <kreiger> and i had no sound
[03:40] <kreiger> So i'm assuming
[03:40] <tritium> AlphaZero, in the upgrade, you switched to X.org
[03:40] <kreiger> All i know is that i have no sound
[03:40] <JsPr> Nermal, y might mean /boot/grub/menu.lst. At least in Warty?
[03:40] <tritium> AlphaZero, you might need to check that it's using the "nvidia" driver, and not loading GLcore or dri
[03:40] <kreiger> And i'm not entirely sure i have access to root.. if asks me for a password, but i never assigned it one
[03:40] <AlphaZero> ok
[03:40] <Nermal> JsPr, aye.. it's a friday
[03:41] <Nermal> kreiger, lsmod ?
[03:41] <AlphaZero> how do i do that? by changing the boot option in grub?
[03:41] <kreiger> hm?
[03:41] <JsPr> Nermal, right :-)
[03:41] <Nermal> kreiger, no root in ubuntu, no password in knoppix
[03:41] <kreiger> ubuntu has no root?
[03:41] <Nermal> AlphaZero, aye.. boot with pci=noacpi or acpi=off
[03:42] <MartinC> nermal it says no write permission for file /etc/grub/menu.1st
[03:42] <Nermal> I've just said how for MartinC
[03:42] <AlphaZero> ok i'll try that
[03:42] <MartinC> i'm logged in as root
[03:42] <Nermal> MartinC, its /boot not /etc
[03:42] <tritium> kreiger, did you just dist-upgrade on Hoary?
[03:42] <MartinC> oh ... tnx ;)
[03:42] <Nermal> sorry :)
[03:42] <kreiger> NO, tritium, i did not.
[03:42] <kreiger> i just installed it and ran everything it asked me too.
[03:42] <AlphaZero> trit, thats what i did to bugger my system up "P
[03:42] <tritium> kreiger, okay.  Then it's not polypaudio woes in your case
[03:43] <AlphaZero> dist-upgrade to hoary
[03:43] <tritium> kreiger, you might have the IRQ 7 problem.  Did you look into that?
[03:43] <kreiger> No, i came here first.
[03:43] <MartinC> it says no edit mailcap rules found for for type application/x troff manor something nermal
[03:44] <dtygel> tritium: sorry, phone rang... It wanted the following packages: "libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.4 will be installed"; and "php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but it isn't installable"
[03:44] <tritium> dtygel, oh...
[03:45] <tritium> kreiger, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ParallelPortIRQ7/view?searchterm=IRQ%207
[03:45] <edulix> how can I move the image that xfree shows in the screen to fit it into the screen?
[03:45] <tritium> kreiger, that's not necessarily what's giving you grief, but you can at least rule it out if it doens't fix anything
[03:45] <tritium> doesn't, that is
[03:46] <kreiger> is there a way to check what driver it's using for sound?
[03:46] <kreiger> before i edit my bios
[03:46] <kreiger> *grin*
[03:46] <tritium> lsmod | grep snd
[03:46] <tritium> also try cat /dev/sndstat
[03:47] <kreiger> mm
[03:47] <kreiger> can i copy paste my output somewhere?
[03:47] <dtygel> tritium: what does "oh..." mean?
[03:47] <AlphaZero> hoary is kernel 2.6.10 right?
[03:47] <apokryphos> kreiger: pastebin.com
[03:47] <kreiger> mm
[03:47] <kreiger> danke
[03:47] <tritium> AlphaZero, yes
[03:47] <AlphaZero> ok thanks
[03:47] <tritium> AlphaZero, did you fix the X.org problem?
[03:47] <MartinC> when i enter ... edit /boot/grub/menu.lst i get no edit mailcap rules found for type "application/ ........
[03:48] <AlphaZero> not yet
[03:48] <AlphaZero> i went into grub 2.6.10 recov mode
[03:48] <tritium> dtygel, let me look into that...
[03:48] <dtygel> tritium: thanks...
[03:48] <kreiger> http://www.pastebin.com/243360
[03:48] <tritium> dtygel, what Hoary repos do you have enabled now?
[03:48] <AlphaZero> if i cant get this working, i'll take it as a cue to try vida linux
[03:49] <kreiger> ALpha, vida didn't recognize my scrollwheel
[03:49] <tritium> AlphaZero, what prompted you to upgrade to Hoary?
[03:49] <AlphaZero> i cant imagine a better package management than deb though
[03:49] <AlphaZero> tritium, i had a couple bugs and i thought they may go away
[03:50] <tritium> I'd hate to see you get frustrated and give up on a development release
[03:50] <AlphaZero> warty was a dev realease right? cause it was buggin
[03:50] <Nermal> uh
[03:50] <Nermal> no
[03:51] <Nermal> warty was stable
[03:51] <nix000> is hoary array 5 supposed to be out yesterday ? the topic only mentions array4 while the site has array 5 available.
[03:51] <kreiger> is
[03:51] <Nermal> "ubuntu - redefining stable since 2004" D:
[03:51] <tritium> nix000, yes, it's out
[03:51] <AlphaZero> ok what file did i need to edit?
[03:51] <kreiger> hmm, trit? have a second of your valuable time?
[03:52] <Nermal> you just did :|
[03:52] <AlphaZero> the conf for x.org or something
[03:52] <Nermal> having to read that can I ask a question question
[03:52] <kreiger> lol
[03:52] <kreiger> http://www.pastebin.com/243364
[03:52] <nix000> tritium, thanks
[03:52] <Nermal> eep
[03:52] <MartinC> hey there Nermal, I've tried edit /boot/grub/menu.lst but I get no "edit" mailcap rules found for type application/*
[03:53] <MartinC> <- Sheep in need of help
[03:53] <Nermal> MartinC, erm.. you did vi /boot/grub/menu.lst yeah ?
[03:53] <Nermal> or nano or pico
[03:53] <rel> I want to read about how the kernel configurations of ubuntu. what are restricted-modules and how do these work. why do I have kernel-images in apt and no corrosponding modules. etc. have seached for a howto but found no info.
[03:53] <MartinC> Nermal no surprises this is my first day ever using Linux so i'll try those
[03:53] <Nermal> oh :)
[03:53] <Nermal> no command called "edit" in linux :|
[03:53] <kreiger> This is my first day too
[03:53] <dtygel> tritium: I have enabled only universe repo of hoary. Should I activate stable?
[03:53] <Nermal> try pico or nano
[03:53] <kreiger> T_T
[03:54] <Nermal> this is my 7th year
[03:54] <AlphaZero> try pico
[03:54] <Nermal> I _think_ :|
[03:54] <tritium> dtygel, you mean main?
[03:54] <thoreauputic> dtygel: yes
[03:54] <kreiger> Then nermal, can i suck up to you for help?
[03:54] <Nermal> uh.. depends
[03:54] <MartinC> Nermal ok vi got me in
[03:54] <Nermal> if the question is well formed and informative
[03:54] <MartinC> now do i add that line to the very end?
[03:54] <Nermal> MartinC, vi is a little hard to use for a newbie
[03:54] <Nermal> but if you want to edit stuff hit "i" to insert stuff
[03:54] <kreiger> Well, did you look at my two links i posted?
[03:55] <Nermal> then hit escape and then do :wq to write and quit
[03:55] <nix000> Nermal, 7 year daily usage 8hr/day ?
[03:55] <Nermal> pico is easier ;)
[03:55] <Nermal> nix000, pretty much
[03:55] <MartinC> wow craziness ok
[03:55] <MartinC> do i add pci=noacpi to the very end of tha tfile?
[03:55] <Nermal> mostly at home though I obviously used it when I worked for suse
[03:55] <AlphaZero> tritium, you mind if i msg you?
[03:55] <Nermal> and use it on the servers here
[03:55] <Nermal> MartinC, no
[03:55] <Nermal> look for the kernel line for the appropriate menu entry
[03:55] <tritium> AlphaZero, okay
[03:56] <Nermal> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash vga=791
[03:56] <Nermal> something like that
[03:56] <spiral> hi
[03:56] <Nermal> go to the end of the line, hit i and type pci=noacpi then hit escape
[03:56] <dtygel> tritium and thor: yes, I should activate main... I'll do it: should it be hoary-security main restricted??
[03:56] <Nermal> then do : (to enter command mode) wq <enter>
[03:56] <Nermal> pico is a non mode based editor
[03:56] <Nermal> vi is :|
[03:56] <MartinC> then i make it kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash vga=791 pci=noacpi
[03:57] <NetwrkMonkey> hrm
[03:57] <Nermal> MartinC, yes...
[03:57] <Nermal> though I added the vga=791 to mine
[03:57] <MartinC> k lemme go mess some stuff up
[03:57] <Nermal> and I'm using a 686 kernel not a 386 kernel
[03:57] <thoreauputic> dtygel: basically just give it as many repos as you have - so it can find dependencies for you
[03:57] <MartinC> brb
[03:57] <nix000> Nermal, i was getting the same error. i edited the kernel line but i think i just entered noapic. apic=off would not work. go figure.
[03:57] <Nermal> well
[03:58] <Nermal> apic != acpi
[03:58] <thoreauputic> dtygel: just uncomment all the repos in sources.list
[03:58] <tritium> dtygel, sorry, I'm a little overwhelmed with messages right now
[03:58] <Nermal> noapic or acpi=off
[03:58] <Nermal> does two completely different things
[03:58] <thoreauputic> dtygel: or the equivalent in synaptic
[03:58] <dtygel> thor: I was affraid of doing that, since it will broaden the way in to programs which are fully unsupported by ubuntu...
[03:58] <Nermal> one is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller and the other is Advanced Configuration and Power Management
[03:58] <Nermal> didn't you learn anything in college ? :)
[03:58] <nix000> Nermal, no wonder !
[03:58] <dtygel> tritium: it's allright. Don't worry ;)
[03:58] <Nermal> Management  = Interface
[03:58] <Nermal> definately friday :|
[03:59] <thoreauputic> dtygel: if you don't, you'll just keep getting errors when you use apt
[03:59] <Nermal> pci=noacpi was the universal suse fix for most of our customers ;)
[03:59] <Nermal> that and "use the big knife in the drawer by your sink"
[03:59] <dtygel> thoreauputic. Ok, you convinced me: are the hoary files in "archive" or in "security"?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> dtygel: don't stress about it  - your earlier errors were because it couldn't find stuff you haven't enabled
[04:00] <Nermal> dtygel, both ?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> you need both
[04:00] <Nermal> archive = main repository security = security updates
[04:00] <nix000> Nermal, bad bad memory never helps
[04:00] <Nermal> iirc
[04:00] <dtygel> Nermal and thoreauputic. I'll give it a try then...
[04:00] <Nermal> nix000, they're easily confused
[04:00] <Nermal> dtygel, apt-get install aspell ;)
[04:01] <spiral> hmmm, ooo testing get's updated....
[04:01] <Nermal> *coffee time*
[04:01] <spiral> how unlucky... they just released a new test release :-)
[04:01] <nix000> Nermal, is'n there a src repository for hoary where i could get the kernel config file from ?
[04:02] <nix000> Nermal, i meant a cvs/web interface
[04:02] <no0tic> nix000: the config file of the installed kernel are in /boot
[04:02] <no0tic> nix000: the config files of the installed kernels are in /boot
[04:02] <nix000> no0tic, i am running warty
[04:03] <no0tic> nix000: I think it's the same
[04:03] <Echylo> back
[04:03] <nix000> no0tic, what do you mean ? hoary is supposed to have 2.6.10 i heard
[04:03] <Nermal> I love the huge "APPROVED" box you get when you get out of xlock :)
[04:03] <dtygel> Nermall, what is aspell? (didn't get it) :-X
[04:03] <Nermal> makes me feel so leet
[04:04] <Nermal> dtygel, nevermind :)
[04:04] <no0tic> nix000: yes, now I understood your question, you want hoary kernel config file to compile 2.6.10 on warty?
[04:04] <AlphaZero> where is it that I edit the boot sequence to start X-org i guess (i'm a noob to linux) for nvidia etc...
[04:04] <dtygel> Nermall: I'm brazilian, that's why my english is quite poor
[04:04] <nix000> no0tic, yesssssssss
[04:04] <no0tic> nix000: what arch?
[04:04] <Rocha> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu on a pc, the install cd boots but the install program says it can't find the cdrom
[04:04] <spiral> fabbione: are you there ?
[04:04] <dtygel> Nermal and tritium: it didnt install php4 again!! What a nightmare...
[04:05] <Echylo> what kind of cdrom you have Rocha
[04:05] <dtygel> I broadened to security and archive of both hoary and warty... and it still says that it cannot install php4.
[04:05] <nix000> no0tic, i386 to begin with .. (maybe) later i'll do am64.  i have a brand new compaq amd64 laptop
[04:05] <dtygel> should I turn apache2 off?
[04:05] <Rocha> Echylo, i don't know, it's not my computer.
[04:05] <Echylo> just install apache
[04:05] <Echylo> not 2
[04:05] <thoreauputic> dtygel: you did sudo apt-get update after editing your sources?
[04:05] <Echylo> install the php4
[04:05] <Echylo> and after that install apache
[04:06] <dtygel> Echylo: if I install apache, will apache2 still be installed?
[04:06] <Echylo> and reboot or something
[04:06] <Rocha> Echylo, but it's a dvd and cd-rw combo
[04:06] <Echylo> no
[04:06] <Echylo> cause you have to remove apache2
[04:06] <dtygel> Echylo, reboot? In linux?
[04:06] <Echylo> ok don't reboot
[04:06] <Echylo> and restart apache
[04:06] <dtygel> :)
[04:06] <Echylo> :)
[04:06] <Echylo> hmm rocha
[04:06] <Rocha> Echylo, the install program says that i can install the modules from a floppy, but i don't know what to do
[04:06] <Nermal> dtygel, I just had to get php5 working
[04:06] <Zotnix> Anyone know a more suitable app other than rhythmbox that can handle 5000+ songs?
[04:06] <Nermal> utter PITA
[04:07] <Nermal> Zotnix, beep-media-player ?
[04:07] <MartinC> Nermal nope i still get a screen that says "I cannot start x-server (the graphical interface) this just after the screen blinked twice
[04:07] <MartinC> I am going craaaaaZzzzyyy
[04:07] <Echylo> sorry rocha, can't help you, search for drivers(linux) and put them on a floppy
[04:07] <Nermal> MartinC, anything in the x logs ?
[04:07] <Rocha> Echylo, ok
[04:07] <MartinC> oh i'm sure there's lotsa stuff in there but what am i supposed to look 4?
[04:07] <Echylo> sorry :)
[04:07] <Patke> Sorry to bother, but can anyone tell me does ubuntu needs to be installed on a logical or primary partition?
[04:07] <dtygel> my god, my god!! What is going on? It didn't install apache! I requests more dependencies!
[04:07] <dtygel> is it an endless cycle?
[04:08] <Echylo> patke, on a primary?
[04:08] <Echylo> that would be the safest thing I guess
[04:08] <kreiger> ok, new problem, i can't seem to sudo ANYTHING. it asks me for a password, and my user password doesn't work
[04:08] <Echylo> dtygel, how you try to install it?
[04:08] <Nermal> dtygel, ?
[04:08] <kreiger> Is there a default sudo password?
[04:08] <Echylo> kreiger, you have the right keyboard layout?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> dtygel: I suspect your sources are wrong or you forgot to update them, or both
[04:08] <Echylo> when you were installing it
[04:08] <Nermal> apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 should do the whole lot
[04:08] <kreiger> Yeah, i logged in.
[04:08] <dtygel> Echylo and Nermal: I said sudo apt-get install apache
[04:08] <Echylo> dtygel
[04:08] <kreiger> and i had to enter a password to do that
[04:08] <Nermal> kreiger, it's your user password
[04:09] <Echylo> get synaptic
[04:09] <kreiger> i tried that
[04:09] <Echylo> dtygel
[04:09] <Nermal> thats what it is
[04:09] <Echylo> install it through synaptic
[04:09] <Zotnix> Nermal, it handles the amount fine (even when loading the music info automatically rather than on scrolling)... but it lacks searching and needs better organization.
[04:09] <Echylo> much easier
[04:09] <tritium> dtygel, are you switching to apache from apache2?
[04:09] <Patke> But when I use partiton magic and want to make it 25GB big it tells me something about 1024 cylinders and that it would be unbootable!
[04:09] <Nermal> Zotnix, hmm
[04:09] <dtygel> thor: can I print here the lines in my sources.list?
[04:09] <Nermal> Patke, umm.. depends on your bios
[04:09] <{{JuKeBoX}}> I just installed ubuntu and rebooted after the system told me to and I get GRUB ERROR 18, how do I fix it?
[04:09] <Nermal> google for that one :)
[04:09] <kreiger> DUH
[04:09] <kreiger> i got it
[04:09] <Nermal> capslock ? :)
[04:09] <kreiger> stupid too many passwords
[04:10] <Echylo> :D
[04:10] <kreiger> Capslock is the button that's supposed to be lit, right?
[04:10] <dtygel> Folks: I was first trying only apache2, as you said. Now Echylo suggested me to try apache.
[04:10] <nix000> anyone know how to unpack a .deb file ? is it a normaol zip/tar file ?
[04:10] <Patke> but can the ubuntu system partition be logical?
[04:10] <kreiger> Capslock is the torch that guides my way into the internet
[04:10] <Echylo> don't blame me, don't blame me :p
[04:10] <{{JuKeBoX}}> can someone help me out?
[04:10] <dtygel> So now I'm stuck: in the middle-way...
[04:10] <Echylo> hmm :(
[04:10] <Nermal> dtygel, if you want php
[04:10] <Echylo> let me see if I can get apache 2 with php working
[04:11] <Nermal> just do what I said and it will do it all
[04:11] <Nermal> apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 should do the whole lot
[04:11] <Nermal> remove the 2 for apache 1.x
[04:11] <dtygel> Nermal: I'll try it and give the feedback.
[04:11] <Echylo> why do u all use terminal for that
[04:11] <Nermal> if you want PHP5 sell you're firstborn :/
[04:11] <Nermal> your*
[04:11] <Echylo> if the synaptic package manager, manages it for you
[04:11] <Patke> but can the ubuntu system partition be logical?
[04:11] <Nermal> Echylo, because it's far quicker and more accurate than clicking on pretty buttons
[04:11] <Echylo> I dunno patke
[04:11] <Echylo> I think you better get a primary
[04:12] <apokryphos7> Does anyone have any idea when the repositories are going to get libapt-pkg in? It's causing broken dependencies.
[04:12] <Nermal> and easier to describe over irc
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Echylo: synaptic is just a front end for apt
[04:12] <Patke> ok thanks...
[04:12] <Echylo> ok
[04:12] <Nermal> else we'd have a screen full of "left a bit" "right a bit" "left" "left" "up" CLICK
[04:12] <Nermal> :)
[04:12] <Echylo> :)
[04:12] <tritium> dtygel, I think the easiest approach is to fully upgrade to Hoary
[04:12] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: sup
[04:12] <Semt-X> evarlast: thanks, XFree86 up and running
[04:13] <dtygel> Nermal: I tried your line, and it just seys that I already have it correctly installed
[04:13] <dtygel> tritium, maybe you're right.
[04:13] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: BEEP
[04:13] <Nermal> dtygel, then it should be running :)
[04:13] <dtygel> tritium: but first I should maybe uninstall apache and mysql, which are already installed?
[04:13] <Nermal> dtygel, could do
[04:14] <tritium> dtygel, you can, but you don't have to.  They'll just get upgraded along with the rest
[04:14] <dtygel> Nermal: apache is running. But when I type apt-get install php4 it doesn't install it. It says that some dependencies arent installable.
[04:14] <Thom_Holwerda> erm
[04:14] <Nermal> ah
[04:14] <Nermal> because they conflict with the apache2 stuff ?
[04:15] <evarlast> Semt-X: EXCELLENT!
[04:15] <dtygel> nermal, it says that the version of two files are too low.
[04:15] <Semt-X> evarlast, yes! Only it will not recognize my Crystal Semiconductor CS4236 ob audio
[04:15] <Thom_Holwerda> Semt-X, the noob :P
[04:15] <dtygel> Nermal, I'll copy paste it here, with translation to english:
[04:15] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda, come say that face to face
[04:15] <Semt-X> ;)
[04:16] <Semt-X> stfu Thom_Holwerda!
[04:16] <Nermal> Semt-X, is that :) -> :)
[04:16] <Thom_Holwerda> lol
[04:16] <Semt-X> heh Nermal
[04:16] <Echylo> can I install ubuntu from my harddisk?
[04:16] <Echylo> is there a tutorial about that?
[04:16] <evarlast> Semt-X: really, it doesn't see your cs4236?  that is onboard on that dell eh?
[04:16] <Nermal> :) ->{ I think you're an idiot } (:
[04:16] <Nermal> I have too much free time
[04:16] <Semt-X> evarlast, http://support.jp.dell.com/docs/systems/ban_gx1/specs.htm
[04:16] <dtygel> php4: Depends on: libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but won't be installed or  libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.4 will be installed or caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but it is not installable.       Depends on: php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but it is not installable.
[04:16] <Semt-X> yes, the dell ob
[04:17] <Nermal> urgh
[04:17] <Semt-X> linux boot just states no sound card found o_O
[04:17] <evarlast> Semt-X: can you run "modprobe snd-cs4236" as root?
[04:17] <Semt-X> linux *ubuntu
 can I install ubuntu from my harddisk?
 is there a tutorial about that?
[04:17] <Nermal> so php4-common is the problem ?
[04:17] <Semt-X> evarlast, if I was behind my box, yes.
[04:17] <evarlast> Semt-X: give it a try :)
[04:17] <Semt-X> I will take the cmd and use it when im back behind my box
[04:17] <evarlast> Semt-X: let me know if it works on monday :)
[04:17] <Semt-X> ;)
[04:17] <Echylo> I feel ignored
[04:17] <Semt-X> I will, thank you.
[04:18] <dtygel> Nermal: yes, and also the version of libapache-mod-php4
[04:18] <Nermal> Echylo, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=ubuntu+hard+disk+install
[04:18] <Semt-X> heh
[04:18] <Echylo> :(
[04:18] <Echylo> that's not friendly
[04:18] <Semt-X> nice link Nermal
[04:18] <Nermal> Echylo, hey, it's a working link :)
[04:18] <Echylo> yea
[04:18] <kreiger> k so i fixed that.. now i need to get my sound working.
[04:18] <kreiger> hm
[04:18] <Echylo> omg
[04:18] <Echylo> it is
[04:18] <Semt-X> hehe
[04:19] <Semt-X> I like freenode MOTD
[04:19] <Semt-X> <3 pie
[04:19] <wdh> anyone here is using the mail-notification tool which is in universe repositories?? it works pretty good, but marks all my messages as read after checking if there is a new one.. anyone knows a workaround for this?
[04:20] <Semt-X> Welcome to the club, kreiger
[04:20] <Nermal> kreiger, does the modprobe work ?
[04:23] <Echylo> :(
[04:23] <Echylo> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:23] <Echylo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:23] <Echylo> is only available from another source
[04:23] <Echylo> E: Package rar has no installation candidate
[04:23] <Nermal> I _HATE_ that error
[04:23] <Semt-X> lies!
[04:23] <Nermal> Echylo, you got multiverse and universe in your sources ?
[04:23] <Echylo> universe
[04:24] <Echylo> not multi I guess
[04:24] <evarlast> try package "unrar"
[04:24] <Nermal> add multiverse and see if that helps
[04:24] <Echylo> k
[04:24] <Semt-X> h8 rar
[04:24] <Nermal> do an apt-get update afterwards mind
[04:24] <Nermal> h8 txt spk
[04:24] <Echylo> how to add multiverse?
[04:24] <Nermal> Echylo, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add it to the end
[04:25] <Echylo> just like that?
[04:25] <png> how  can i control (on/of) startup scripts
[04:25] <Echylo> multiverse?
[04:25] <Nermal> of the lines with universe on them
[04:25] <no0tic> brb
[04:25] <Nermal> as a rough guide
[04:25] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: http://fwerp.ath.cx/
[04:25] <kreiger> modprobe in terminal?
[04:25] <Nermal> it should be fairly self explanitory
[04:25] <thoreauputic> unrar-nonfree (multiverse)
[04:25] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: say what you want him to do
[04:25] <dtygel> Nermal: do you have any clue on the php4 issue?
[04:25] <Nermal> kreiger, modprobe <modulename>
[04:25] <Thom_Holwerda> ?
[04:25] <Nermal> dtygel, like I said.. I guess see why php4-common can't be installed
[04:25] <kreiger> which module would i be testing?
[04:25] <Nermal> maybe do an apt-get -f install
[04:25] <kreiger> Anyway, i just installed nvidia
[04:25] <Echylo> what is the website of multiverse?
[04:26] <Nermal> and maybe a dpkg --configure -a
[04:26] <kreiger> lemme reboot real quick and then come back here
[04:26] <kreiger> brb
[04:26] <Nermal> Echylo, eh ?
[04:26] <dtygel> Folks: Does anyone of you have installed successfully apache-mysql-php?
[04:26] <Thom_Holwerda> Semt-X, thats like th epitome of the word nerd
[04:26] <Nermal> ADD IT TO THE END
[04:26] <Thom_Holwerda> :s
[04:26] <kreiger> ?
[04:26] <Echylo> I don't get it
[04:26] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: He wont like that
[04:26] <Nermal> ffs
[04:26] <Echylo> it's full of websites
[04:26] <Thom_Holwerda> he only lacks the black t shirt
[04:26] <kreiger> lol
[04:26] <kreiger> brb
[04:26] <Nermal> it's full one ONE URL
[04:26] <Nermal> add that to the end
[04:26] <Nermal> *nails wrists to a cross*
[04:26] <Echylo> do it again
[04:26] <Echylo> cause I don't get it
[04:26] <Nermal>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[04:27] <Nermal> like so
[04:27] <dtygel> Nermal: forcing didn't work
[04:27] <Echylo> now that's something
[04:27] <Echylo> I have warthy btw :p
[04:27] <Nermal> thats ok
[04:27] <Nermal> just leave it as warty
[04:27] <Nermal> add multiverse to the end of the deb-src line below it too
[04:27] <Nermal> and the security lines at the bottom
[04:27] <Echylo> yes I get it
[04:28] <Nermal> \o/
[04:28] <Echylo> pretty fast ergh?
[04:28] <Echylo>  :p
[04:28] <Nermal> :)
[04:28] <wdh> :P
[04:28] <Nermal> yup.. only 1.5 screens of text
[04:28] <wdh> sudo apt-get update :)
[04:28] <Echylo> that's not much :p
[04:28] <Nermal> no.. it's not
[04:28] <kreiger> k
[04:28] <kreiger> i HAD sound at the startup screen
[04:28] <Nermal> I've had people say "source code? that's just zeros and ones isn't it" when I worked at suse
[04:29] <Nermal> god bless the hold button
[04:29] <kreiger> but i don't have sound now
[04:29] <Nermal> kreiger, there was an esd sound problem a couple of days back
[04:29] <Nermal> but I thought it was fixed now :|
[04:29] <Echylo> lol nermal
[04:29] <Echylo> you worked at suse?
[04:29] <Nermal> and that was only in hoary
[04:29] <Nermal> Echylo, aye :|
[04:29] <kreiger> Well, i got sound on login at the main screen, that drum beat
[04:30] <kreiger> but now, nothing
[04:30] <apokryphos7> Anyone have any idea why Ubuntu refuses to play sound out through all speakers?
[04:30] <kreiger> lemme try an mp3
[04:30] <wdh> apokryphos7, it doesnt
[04:30] <Nermal> kreiger, change the sound thingy ?
[04:30] <wdh> :P
[04:30] <dtygel> I'll give up for now folks! Must lunch!
[04:31] <Nermal> system -> preferences -> multimedia systems selector ?
[04:31] <wdh> at least not mine.. maybe you should redefine _all_ a bit..
[04:31] <dtygel> no php4 installed! How can that be real? :'(
[04:31] <Nermal> god knows
[04:31] <Nermal> it's a piece of piss to install normally :|
[04:31] <Nermal> my poor hairline :|
[04:31] <Echylo> nermal you reall have to explain multiverse thing again it aint working
[04:31] <Echylo> sorry :$
[04:32] <Nermal> Echylo, you've ran apt-get update yes ?
[04:32] <Echylo> just kidding :p
[04:32] <kreiger> which sound thingy?
[04:32] <Echylo> :D
[04:32] <kreiger> and how?
[04:32] <Nermal> Echylo, you bastard
[04:32] <Echylo> haha
[04:32] <kreiger> I still think it's a driver error
[04:32] <Nermal> kreiger, I just said
 system -> preferences -> multimedia systems selector ?
[04:32] <dtygel> bye folks...
[04:32] <kreiger> ahh
[04:32] <Nermal> change it to OSS or alsa
[04:32] <kreiger> danke
[04:32] <kreiger> sorry, nermal
[04:32] <kreiger> <3
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Echylo: you just add the word "multiverse" at the end of your "universe" lines
[04:32] <Nermal> if you get a drum beat, it's not a driver issue
[04:32] <Nermal> it may be esd ballsing up
[04:32] <ceu> I've installed k3b. I'm installing kcontrol. Should I install other packages?
[04:33] <Nermal> I've only used ubuntu for like a couple of months :|
[04:33] <Nermal> ceu, not if you don't need to I guess
[04:33] <Echylo> I use it since wednesday
[04:33] <Nermal> apt should sort out the dependencies :|
[04:33] <Echylo> thoreauputic, I was just kidding
[04:33] <Echylo> I know
[04:33] <Echylo> unrar is already installed
[04:33] <Echylo> :p
[04:33] <kreiger> mm
[04:33] <ceu> Nermal: the "problem" is that font used by keb is ugly :-)
[04:33] <Echylo> already unraring
[04:33] <kreiger> how do i get to system?
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Echylo: yeah, I saw it too late :)
[04:34] <Nermal> ceu, ah... you use kde ?
[04:34] <ceu> Nermal: s/keb/k3b
[04:34] <Echylo> :)
[04:34] <vi11e> hey has anyone got dcgui or dcui-qt or some other direct connect client installed without compiling from sources ?
[04:34] <ceu> Nermal: no, i'm using k3b under gnome
[04:34] <Nermal> Ceu: just use nautilus-cd-burner ?
[04:34] <Nermal> or did you want music cds and all that
[04:35] <Nermal> gnomebaker is quite nice.. but I can't see a .deb for it :|
[04:35] <kreiger> m
[04:35] <kreiger> nerman, where do get into system?
[04:35] <kreiger> nermal*
[04:35] <Echylo> how to install a normal .deb on your HD?
[04:35] <apokryphos7> wdh: Erm, it really does.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Echylo: sudo dpkg -i <package>
[04:36] <Echylo> k thankies
[04:36] <ceu> Nermal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker
[04:36] <Nermal> :D
[04:36] <Nermal> kreiger, hmm ?
[04:36] <spiral> hmmm, any new about ipw2200 fix ?
[04:36] <kreiger> Nermal, how do i get INTO system
[04:36] <kreiger> for the system --> preferences stuff
[04:36] <ceu> Nermal: here there is the .deb of the latest version
[04:36] <Nermal> splendid
[04:37] <Nermal> I created an ebuild for gentoo but not seen a .deb before now :0
[04:37] <Nermal> kreiger, into what system sweetie ?
[04:37] <Echylo> lol
 <Nermal> system -> preferences -> multimedia systems selector ?
[04:37] <Echylo> I tried to install cedega
[04:37] <kreiger> That system, hunny.
[04:37] <Echylo> but it gave me depency error
[04:37] <Echylo> so I install libpng3
[04:37] <Nermal> wouldn't you all just love it if I turned out to be a big breasted slim single brunette now
[04:37] <Echylo> and it automatically installs cedega
[04:37] <Echylo> :D
[04:37] <kreiger> No, i'm taken
[04:37] <edulix> well noone know how to center image in the monitor's screen?
[04:38] <Nermal> kreiger, entry on the gnome panel
[04:38] <kreiger> and my GF would tear your eyes out.
[04:38] <Nermal> applications | places |system
[04:38] <Nermal> at least on mine..
[04:38] <Nermal> maybe thats a gnome 2.10 thing :/
[04:38] <kreiger> lol
[04:38] <kreiger> yeah, i don't have that
[04:38] <kreiger> how do i upgrade to gnome 2.10?
[04:38] <Nermal> well.. upgrade to hoary :)
[04:38] <kreiger> hm.
[04:39] <kreiger> Is that wise considering my newbishness?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> kreiger: probably not ;)
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> kreiger, all you need is: apt-get dist-upgrade, after replacing all instances of "warty" to "hoary" inside /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <Thom_Holwerda> and an apt-get update in between btw
[04:40] <kreiger> Yeah, but it's still unstable, right?
[04:40] <snowblink_> Does bind9 have an internal root nameserver list?
[04:40] <thoreauputic> kreiger: yes
[04:40] <Thom_Holwerda> kreiger, my x86 runs it just fine
[04:40] <Thom_Holwerda> but, yeah
[04:40] <kreiger> yeah, i'm newbi
[04:40] <kreiger> i'll try it later
[04:40] <kreiger> and i'm running athlong xp 2400+
[04:41] <Nakah> hello, is it possible to specify wich modules to load at boot time ?
[04:41] <snowblink_> Nakah: /etc/modules
[04:41] <Thom_Holwerda> where on earth does ubuntu store the xf86config-4 file
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Nakah: put their names in /etc/modules
[04:41] <Nakah> I know this one but all modules are not there
[04:41] <snowblink_> Thom_Holwerda: /etc/X11
[04:41] <thoreauputic> /etc/X11
[04:41] <kreiger> MM
[04:41] <Thom_Holwerda> ?
[04:41] <Thom_Holwerda> it doesnt seem to find it... mmm
[04:41] <kreiger> is apt-get upgrade always the best idea?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> snowblink_: ;)
[04:42] <Nakah> because Ubuntu is loading modules that I don't need
[04:42] <Xappe> hmm, can you get skype working with polypaudio somehow?
[04:42] <tritium> Xappe, hey
[04:43] <Pointwood> the latest version of Mozilla Thunderbird that seem to be available is 0.8 - anyone know whether 1.0 will be available soon?
[04:43] <kreiger> hey Nermal, out of curiousity, ARE you female? or did you just call me sweetie cause i'm annoying you?
[04:43] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda
[04:43] <Semt-X> ./etc/X11
[04:43] <Semt-X> I think ;)
[04:43] <Nermal> no.. I called you sweetie as it's endearing and keeps the channel sweeter :P
[04:43] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda, query me
[04:43] <Nermal> diffuses rage
[04:43] <kreiger> Awww
[04:43] <kreiger> Who's raging?
[04:43] <Echylo> some knows a good renamer program for ubuntu?
[04:44] <Nermal> no-one at the moment.. it seems to be working :)
[04:44] <tritium> Pointwood, in warty?
[04:44] <kreiger> cool
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Nermal: do I detect a hint of sarcasm? ;)
[04:44] <Nermal> me?
[04:44] <tritium> Pointwood, only security updates at this point in Warty.
[04:44] <thoreauputic> hehe
[04:44] <snowblink_> Echylo: rename?
[04:44] <ceu> what should I use to make a cd/dvd copy (as ISO image) on my hard disk?
[04:44] <Nermal> I call my boss darling sometimes :| he's not to keen on that :|
[04:44] <Echylo> is that a question?
[04:44] <Echylo> or a suggestion
[04:44] <Nermal> I just forget :|
[04:44] <kreiger> brb. restarting gnome again
[04:44] <kreiger> i mean ubuntu
[04:44] <Nermal> rename is a program
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Echylo: suggestion
[04:45] <Pointwood> tritium: yes, Warty, but I tried adding the hoary rep and that didn't change
[04:45] <Nermal> it renames multiple files
[04:45] <Nermal> otherwise use mv
[04:45] <Echylo> hmm
[04:45] <Nermal> mv <oldfilename> <newfilename>
[04:45] <tritium> Pointwood, I have 1.0 on Hoary
[04:45] <Echylo> not it's to cut pieces out of names
[04:45] <Nakah> can someone help me ?
[04:45] <Echylo> like -EMG on end of songs etc
[04:45] <Nermal> Nakah, just ask the question
[04:45] <Nermal> *Sigh*
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Echylo: sed. awk, cut
[04:46] <Echylo> eh?
[04:46] <Nermal> why do people insist on making people work to get the information to help them
[04:46] <snowblink_> Nermal: to annoy you. ;)
[04:46] <Ribs> 'cos people are stupid
[04:46] <Nermal> thoreauputic, :)
[04:46] <thoreauputic> Echylo: heh - that sounds like a foreign language, eh?
[04:46] <Nermal> snowblink_, that's it!
[04:46] <Nermal> sed is splendid
[04:46] <tritium> Ribs, no need for that
[04:46] <Nakah> I've already asked it, :) Ubuntu is loading modules that I don't need, where can I specify modules that I don't want ?
[04:46] <Xappe> tritium, hello
[04:46] <kreiger> k
[04:46] <tritium> Xappe, how are you?
[04:46] <Ribs> tritium: It's the truth!
[04:47] <snowblink_> Nakah: try /etc/modules.conf
[04:47] <tritium> Nakah, blacklist them
[04:47] <kreiger> can i upgrade to 2.10 WITHOUT switching to hoary?
[04:47] <Ribs> tritium: As soon as people need help or something from you, they turn dumb.
[04:47] <kreiger> or will it be unstable?
[04:47] <LinuxJones> Nakah, it's kind of a mess really
[04:47] <Ribs> tritium: Try working in Retail for a while, you'll see what I mean.
[04:47] <Pointwood> tritium: I temporarily added this rep: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[04:47] <Nermal> kreiger, hoary IS unstable
[04:47] <tritium> LinuxJones, not with blacklisting.  It's easy
[04:47] <kreiger> I know
[04:47] <Nakah> How can I blacklist them ,
[04:47] <thoreauputic> kreiger: it will be unstable
[04:47] <Nermal> :)
[04:47] <Nakah> ?
[04:47] <kreiger> what about gnome 2.10?
[04:47] <LinuxJones> blacklisting doesn't work for some modules
[04:47] <kreiger> k
[04:47] <kreiger> that answers my question
[04:47] <Nermal> it would probably be more work
[04:47] <tritium> Nakah, append the modules you don't want to load to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:47] <kreiger> so now i need to find media preferences so i can swtch
[04:48] <Nermal> is there no preferences menu in gnome anywhere ?
[04:48] <krism> Nakah : /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:48] <Nermal> it's under preferences here which may be desktop preferences in gnome 2.8
[04:48] <Nakah> ok, thanks I will try this
[04:48] <Xappe> tritium, well, i'm fine but the "winter vomit desease" is spreading at work...eeek...
[04:48] <tritium> ick
[04:48] <LinuxJones> tritium, I tried blacklisting about 10 different modules but they keeps getting called from somewhere else :(
[04:49] <tritium> LinuxJones, which ones?
[04:49] <kreiger> I see a device manager
[04:49] <LinuxJones> tritium, I think they are required by other modules being loaded from some other place
[04:49] <Pointwood> what repository do I need to add to sources.list to get Thunderbird 1.0?
[04:49] <tritium> LinuxJones, perhaps
[04:49] <chutwig> friends, is there by any chance an area where hoary ISOs are built on a scheduled basis for testing?
[04:49] <chutwig> sort of like how debian testing gets new CD sets built each week
[04:49] <tritium> Pointwood, it's in main
[04:50] <tritium> chutwig, daily
[04:50] <chutwig> ah
[04:50] <LinuxJones> tritium, vesafb, cfbcopyarea, cfbimgblt, cfbfillrect, agpgart .... the list goes on and on
[04:50] <Pointwood> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse <-- shouldn't that work then?
[04:50] <tritium> LinuxJones, agpgart, for one, is being loaded by intel_agp (if that's your arch)
[04:51] <chutwig> so i guess hoary hasn't got any snapshot images built, then
[04:51] <tritium> Pointwood, did you apt-get upgrade after adding that?
[04:51] <Pointwood> hrm
[04:51] <LinuxJones> tritium, I have junky via chipset :(
[04:51] <Pointwood> that might be it :)
[04:51] <chutwig> ;_;
[04:51] <tritium> LinuxJones, I blacklisted intel_agp in order to use NvAGP
[04:52] <tritium> Pointwood, definitely
[04:52] <tritium> chutwig, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[04:52] <chutwig> debian is pissing me off
[04:52] <chutwig> tritium: hey-zeus will sing your praises for years to come
[04:52] <tritium> chutwig, heh, thanks
[04:53] <LinuxJones> tritium, lahh
[04:53] <chutwig> debian does not play nice with any computer that uses SATA
[04:53] <tritium> LinuxJones, the others are probably loaded by fbcon
[04:53] <thoreauputic> chutwig: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ubuntu+daily+iso+hoary&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[04:54] <chutwig> thoreauputic: thanks, tritium already showed me where to find them
[04:54] <thoreauputic> chutwig: ;)
[04:54] <chutwig> incidentally, does anyone have any experience using non-standard resolutions with a radeon
[04:54] <Codyman> where can i report a broken apt-get package?
[04:55] <Codyman> chutwig: like what non standard
[04:55] <chutwig> the last computer had an i915, which wouldn't do 1680x1050 because xorg didn't know how to set the video BIOS mode
[04:55] <LinuxJones> tritium, fbcon not loaded either
[04:55] <chutwig> if this radeon has the same problem i will be upset and may have to reinstall windows :(
[04:55] <Codyman> chutwig: 1680x1050 thats a pretty non standard resolution :-)
[04:56] <chutwig> meh, it's a dell 2005fpw
[04:56] <Echylo> omg
[04:56] <Echylo> now gaim says I need correct SSL support
[04:56] <Echylo> didn't deleted a shit
[04:56] <Codyman> chutwig: well have you edited your xorg.conf
[04:56] <krism> anybody know what could be periodically causing my laptop h/d?
[04:56] <chutwig> Codyman: i haven't even touched that computer yet, i'm at work right now using their bandwidth to get the daily hoary image
[04:57] <Codyman> chutwig: so do you have hoary installed, or the warty one
[04:57] <krism> (ubuntu warty, mostly stock install, ext3 - im wondering if journalling is doing this)
[04:57] <chutwig> Codyman: there's nothing installed yet
[04:57] <kreiger> hm
[04:57] <Echylo> heelp! :p
[04:57] <Echylo> I need SSL for Gaim
[04:57] <Echylo> what do I need to install
[04:57] <Nermal> install it then
[04:57] <kreiger> Nermal, when i try to record something, the recorder program freezes
[04:57] <Nermal> libssl ?
[04:57] <Codyman> chutwig: o in that case it should work.. you just need to install hoary and edit the xorg.conf.. as long as your monitor supports that
[04:57] <Echylo> It's installed :s
[04:58] <Nermal> libnss
[04:58] <Nermal> for msn
[04:58] <chutwig> Codyman: i'm just concerned about the xorg module for the card also not supporting it
[04:58] <chutwig> but if ATI were the ones who did it it ought to work
[04:58] <chutwig> guess i'll find out when i get home from work
[04:58] <Nermal> Echylo, apt-get install libnss3
[04:58] <chutwig> nothing like babysitting a bunch of windows XP upgrades all day long
[04:58] <Codyman> chutwig: i have an ATI Radeon 9200 PCI card even and i'm using custom resolutions as well
[04:58] <chutwig> Codyman: that's good news
[04:59] <Echylo> it is installed Nermal
[04:59] <Nermal> then it should woerk
[04:59] <Echylo> why you think I ask ...
[04:59] <Nermal> because you are incapable of operating the os you've installed ?
[04:59] <Nermal> I just don't know
[05:00] <Nermal> :)
[05:00] <Echylo> it worked yesterday
[05:00] <tritium> Nermal, be nice
[05:00] <Nermal> Echylo, excellent answer :)
[05:00] <Nermal> tritium, I am
[05:00] <vladis> I have a problem with my resolution I am now with 1024X768 85 Hz, but I want to be with 100 Hz. What I have to do?
[05:00] <Nermal> but he asks for help, I give him help and he goes "why you think I ask"
[05:01] <Nermal> the real question would be "why do I continue to help him" ?
[05:01] <Nermal> because I'm an arse obviously
[05:01] <Echylo> yes
[05:01] <Echylo> you are
[05:01] <Nermal> vladis, if you have gnome you can use the screen resolution applet
[05:01] <Echylo> but you're ok
[05:01] <Nermal> Echylo, two cheeks are better than one :P
[05:01] <Nermal> means I can turn the other one :)
[05:02] <Echylo> libnss3 is already the newest version.
[05:02] <Echylo> :)
[05:02] <Echylo> You think I invent this? :p
[05:02] <Nermal> Echylo, I think you don't give us an error message
[05:02] <Echylo> wait then
[05:02] <thoreauputic> thanks to whoever posted the link for gnomebaker debs !
[05:02] <spiral> hmmm... any idea when the latest ooo testing will be put in hoary ?
[05:02] <Nermal> you formulate your own idea of whats wrong rather than letting us workit out
[05:02] <Nermal> spiral, there was an update earlier today
[05:03] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, it works very nicely, been using gnomebaker for about a week
[05:03] <Nermal> 767 or something ..
[05:03] <Echylo> SSL Support is needed for MSN. Please install a supported SSL library.
[05:03] <Nermal> hm
[05:03] <Echylo> and I installed libnss3
[05:03] <Nermal> thats the lib it needs
[05:03] <Nermal> not sure why it can't find it
[05:03] <spiral> Nermal: yes, I know... they updated on their website... And I think the version on hoary is older
[05:03] <ceu> Pointwood: I'm using firefox from ubuntu-backports repository (on my warty)
[05:03] <Echylo> would rebooting help?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: yeah - I tried greveman but it compiled then refused to talk to cdrecord ;)
[05:03] <Echylo> not that it's windows
[05:03] <Echylo> but maybe?
[05:04] <Nermal> peter@ubuntu:~$ oowriter2 --version
[05:04] <Nermal> This is OpenOffice.org built with ooo-build-1.9.74
[05:04] <Pointwood> ceu: well, there's no thunderbird 1.0 available in the backports AFAIK
[05:04] <ceu> Pointwood: yes, there is
[05:05] <ceu> dpkg --status mozilla-thunderbird|grep Version
[05:05] <ceu> Version: 1.0-0ubuntu1-4.10ubp1
[05:05] <spiral> Nermal: yeah, wright... & on the website : m79
[05:05] <spiral> Nermal: http://download.openoffice.org/680/index.html
[05:05] <Nermal> hum
[05:05] <ceu> I'm using that
[05:05] <Nermal> I dunno
[05:06] <Pointwood> hrm
[05:06] <spiral> Nermal: hmmm, and what about the locales... Do you know if they can be packaged ?
[05:06] <Nermal> it's bloody ugly whatever build it is :|
[05:06] <Nermal> spiral, no idea
[05:07] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, it only crashed once while assembling a dvd backup of about3 gigs of data
[05:07] <fc> how can i upgrade to firefox 1.0 ?
[05:07] <Nermal> firefox 1.0 should be in warty :|
[05:07] <Nermal> I thought
[05:07] <Nermal> and hoary
[05:07] <tritium> Nope
[05:07] <Nermal> hm :/
[05:07] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: hmm - I won't be puttingit under that kind of presure :)
[05:08] <spiral> Nermal: ;-)
[05:08] <krism> fc, nemal: just get firefox 1.0 and thunderbird 1.0 from mozilla.org,
[05:08] <tritium> Close enough, though:  0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3 in Warty
[05:08] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I know it's only early in development but what the heck, they are re-writable dvd 's :)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> fc: I installed the binary from mozilla.org - works fine on warty
[05:08] <krism> and install them in ~, maybe make ~/apps .. then change your shortcuts and preferred apps to your local install
[05:08] <jovian> questoin how can I set the background for all nautilus windows at once
[05:08] <snowblink_> FYI to answer my own earlier question: bind9 has the root servers compiled in
[05:09] <fc> thanks
[05:09] <jovian> I know how to do it one at a time but can't find any option or setting to make it all over
[05:09] <Pointwood> ceu: something must be wrong with my sources.list then
[05:09] <jovian> and its annoying changing them one at a time
[05:10] <Echylo> voila
[05:10] <Echylo> gaim error fixed
[05:10] <Echylo> :p
[05:10] <firefly> WINE question.  How do I get around MS new wine detection thing?  I need some base files...
[05:10] <Nermal> Echylo, probably needed an ldconfig
[05:10] <krism> firefly : set your wine install to emulate XP.
[05:10] <Nermal> meh
[05:10] <Pointwood> ceu, I got this: deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe <-- shouldn't that be enough?
[05:10] <firefly> How?
[05:11] <krism> firefly i dunno, never used wine. see the /. story about it.
[05:11] <ceu> Pointwood: deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:11] <ceu> Pointwood: that's the old url
[05:11] <tritium> firefly, in your .wine directory, there's a config file
[05:12] <firefly> Tx, got it.
[05:12] <jovian> nevermind just found it
[05:13] <Pointwood> ceu: k, thx
[05:15] <krism> anybody know a quick way to prevent my hard drive from going into sleep mode?
[05:15] <Semt-X> check bios?
[05:15] <Pointwood> ceu: that helped quite a bit :)
[05:15] <krism> it's actually something in warty doing it :/
[05:16] <Semt-X> oshi
[05:16] <thenuke> krism: hpdarm maybe?
[05:16] <kreiger> mm, Is Nerman still around or do i have to bug somebody else now?
[05:16] <kreiger> nermal.
[05:16] <kreiger> ARGH
[05:16] <krism> (in windows, you can do this by opening the "Power Management" but in the control panel
[05:16] <krism> thenuke : ill check it out
[05:16] <kreiger> stupid n
[05:16] <thenuke> "hdparm -S   set standby (spindown) timeout"
[05:16] <thenuke> try -S0 or something
[05:17] <krism> thenuke : thanks, according to hdparm manpage, -S0 will do the trick
[05:17] <thenuke> great
[05:17] <krism> thenuke (waiting until this cd finishes burning before i mess with hdparm )
[05:18] <tritium> kreiger, what's going on?
[05:19] <vi11e> tell me some movie player which I could install with apt-get and plugins with apt-get if necessary to play my dvd movie
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Anybody recommend a decent 17 " LCD screen "on the cheap" !!
[05:19] <tritium> vi11e, see ubuntuguide.org
[05:20] <vi11e> well there they say xmms but I can't get it working... I click open file and nothing happens
[05:20] <vi11e> or some open file dialog appears
[05:20] <vi11e> and same thing was with xine
[05:20] <Nermal> kreiger, ?
[05:20] <Nermal> stupid n ? :)
[05:21] <tritium> vi11e, you need more than just the player
[05:21] <kreiger> Yeah, i called you nerman again
[05:21] <kreiger> Anyway, i'm still rolling around the same problem with sound.
[05:22] <tritium> vi11e, did you do this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback ?
[05:22] <vi11e> yes
[05:22] <kreiger> i did just update my kernel to be more AMd xp specific tho.
[05:22] <vi11e> I can play my movies with totem player but for example my boogie nights dvd just doesn't work
[05:22] <vi11e> or well, I have tried simpsons dvd's they work with totem player, but boogie nights doesn't work :(
[05:22] <Nermal> kreiger, hum
[05:23] <Nermal> its not under the desktop preferences ?
[05:23] <vi11e> I'll try xine-ui once more then
[05:23] <kreiger> is there a button to screenshot?
[05:23] <kreiger> i'll show you what's there
[05:23] <Nermal> print-screen should work
[05:23] <Nermal> in gnome
[05:23] <evarlast> vi11e: decss?
[05:23] <vi11e> what's decs?
[05:23] <Nermal> else import -root <filename> I think
[05:23] <tritium> vi11e, I just gave you a URL for that
[05:24] <Nermal> vi11e, install libdvdread
[05:24] <vi11e> you gave url to dvdplayback
[05:24] <thoreauputic> import -window root filename
[05:24] <kreiger> then how do i paste it somewhere?
[05:24] <tritium> vi11e, which included installing libdvdcss2
[05:24] <vi11e> I have that installed ye
[05:24] <tritium> you just asked what it was
[05:25] <vi11e> I asked what decss is, not libdvdcss.. I thought it was other thing
[05:25] <Nermal> thoreauputic, thats the one
[05:25] <Nermal> shameful ;)
[05:25] <Nermal> libdvdread has decss in it I thought
[05:25] <vi11e> hmm, I don't know about libdvdread though...
[05:25] <Nermal> or maybe not :|
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Nermal: but I don't think imagemagick is installed by default ...
[05:26] <Nermal> ah ..good point
[05:26] <tritium> thoreauputic, just use print-screen
[05:26] <tritium> or alt-print-screen if you want to capture just a window
[05:26] <thoreauputic> tritium: or the gimp :)
[05:27] <thoreauputic> or whatever...
[05:27] <tritium> yes, if you want to start it up :)
[05:27] <Nermal> or scrot :P
[05:27] <tritium> that sounds nasty
[05:27] <Nermal> and kind of sexual :P
[05:27] <Nermal> I guess the lack of "um" makes it all the better
[05:28] <thoreauputic> actually print screen doesn't seem to work here :/
[05:28] <tritium> indeed
[05:28] <Nermal> thoreauputic, works in gnome on my gentoo box
[05:28] <tritium> thoreauputic, check your Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:28] <Nermal> I was surprised :|
[05:28] <thoreauputic> tritium: right
[05:29] <Nermal> it opened gnome screenshot on mine
[05:30] <aroman> okie... I upgraded to hoary... how do I upgrade to X.org?
[05:32] <tritium> aroman, dist-upgrade automaticall upgrades to X.org
[05:32] <aroman> tritium, dist-upgrade also removes ubuntu-desktop :(
[05:33] <vi11e> heyy, I manage open the dvd with xine, but the xines gui, the control things are real small.. how do I enlarge them? :S and why doesn't that xine accept my mouse pressings within the dvd screen
[05:33] <vi11e> fonts are small
[05:33] <tritium> aroman, did you allow that to happen, or did you not dist-upgrade?
[05:34] <aroman> tritium, I did upgrade, not dist-upgrade as someone here recommended
[05:35] <tritium> aroman, that's actually smart of you to observe
[05:35] <vi11e> hmm , so if I installed that dvd-playback capability codecs, it should be fine hmm.. is there any other alternative codecs maybe that I could try
[05:35] <tritium> aroman, is ubuntu-desktop the only think it wants to remove?
[05:35] <tritium> If so, that's trivial.  It's just a metapackage
[05:35] <aroman> tritium, no.. iirc...
[05:36] <kreiger> brb
[05:38] <kreiger> Yo.
[05:38] <aroman> tritium, 27 packages in total. Some -dev, esound, fglrx-driver (which HAS to be removed), and xserver-xfree86
[05:38] <aroman> and 2 python modules...
[05:38] <aroman> and those 27 include ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <tritium> arachne, fixedpoint and mpz?
[05:38] <aroman> tritium, what should I do? go forward with dist-upgrade?
[05:39] <tritium> arachne, sorry, wrong person ;)
[05:39] <tritium> aroman, esound will be replaced with polypaudio when ubuntu-desktop is upgraded anyway.  python-fixedpoint and -mpz are removed, yes
[05:40] <kreiger> hrm
[05:40] <kreiger> Nermal?
[05:40] <tritium> aroman, I can't make that decision for you.
[05:40] <tritium> It's up to you.
[05:40] <aroman> tritium, so... should I go forward with dist-upgrade? A ton of new packages will be installed...
[05:40] <Nermal> sorry
[05:40] <Nermal> I was on the toilet and I have no wifi at work
[05:40] <tritium> glad to know that
[05:40] <Nermal> well..
[05:40] <kreiger> heh
[05:40] <aroman> tritium, lol... meh... I'll do it.. shouldn't matter
[05:41] <Nermal> *core dump*
[05:41] <kreiger> i dun wanna know
[05:41] <Nermal> moving on..
[05:41] <kreiger> check THIS little thing out.
[05:41] <tritium> apt-get remove --purge bowel
[05:41] <Nermal> kreiger, I bet you say that to all the girls
[05:41] <kreiger> I found out some of my sound mixers were muted
[05:41] <kreiger> so i unmuted and turned the sound up
[05:41] <Nermal> ah :0
[05:41] <kreiger> and i definetely here hissing
[05:41] <kreiger> but no sound
[05:41] <kreiger> hear*
[05:41] <Nermal> that doesn't mean much
[05:41] <Nermal> just that your soundcard is relatively noisy :|
[05:41] <Nermal> you need to stop using esd and use alsa
[05:42] <Nermal> though I'm not sure how you switch it
[05:42] <kreiger> me either
[05:42] <Nermal> try disabling it in gconf
[05:42] <Nermal> system tools -> config editor yeah ?
[05:42] <kreiger> yeah
[05:42] <kreiger> in it
[05:42] <kreiger> now where?
[05:42] <Nermal> then drop into desktop ->gnome -> sound
[05:43] <Nermal> and I have "enable esd" and it's checked
[05:43] <Nermal> you could try disabling that
[05:43] <kreiger> checked is when the thing is in, right?
[05:43] <Nermal> um... yes
[05:43] <tritium> kreiger, is this Hoary?
[05:43] <Nermal> tritium, no :(
[05:43] <kreiger> No.
[05:43] <kreiger> Maybe i should just jump into hoary
[05:43] <Nermal> he gets the drum beat but no sound when he logs in :|
[05:43] <kreiger> you guys seem more capable of fixing
[05:43] <tritium> Does Warty have the Multimedia Systems Selector?
[05:44] <tritium> you can choose ALSA that way
[05:44] <Nermal> I don't think so.. thats what I told him to find
[05:44] <kreiger> Noa that i see
[05:44] <tritium> okay
[05:44] <Nermal> it doesn't have the system menu for starters :|
[05:44] <tritium> Computer menu
[05:44] <Nermal> and its not in preferences
[05:44] <kreiger> I looked, trit
[05:44] <tritium> it's in a submenu of Computer if I remember right
[05:44] <tritium> ok
[05:45] <kreiger> I have desktop pref and.. system config
[05:45] <kreiger> and neither of them have a multimedia thing
[05:45] <aroman> does anyone notice that evolution is really slow to retrieve emails from a pop server on warty?
[05:46] <kreiger> i REALLY think it's the camera drives
[05:46] <kreiger> i know that knoppix did something with them
[05:46] <kreiger> anyway, i unenabled esd, do i need to reboot?
[05:46] <kreiger> cause i still get no sound
[05:46] <Nermal> just restart X
[05:46] <thoreauputic> aroman: seems OK here
[05:46] <kreiger> except for a hissing in my headphones
[05:46] <Nermal> ie: logout
[05:46] <kreiger> k
[05:46] <kreiger> one sec
[05:47] <aroman> thoreauputic, :(
[05:48] <kreiger> i get nada.
[05:48] <kreiger> one sec
[05:48] <Pallino> soory
[05:49] <Pointwood> I've added a few applications to my Applications menu, but they don't show up, though if I open the folder by running applications:// then they are there?!
[05:49] <njan> Pointwood, have you restarted gnome?
[05:49] <Pointwood> yes
[05:49] <njan> Pointwood, :(
[05:49] <kreiger> k.loud hissing in my headphones, but still nothing
[05:49] <afo-blackness> hey all i am back again with an problem
[05:49] <Pointwood> njan: the machine has been rebooted
[05:49] <njan> Pointwood, not sure what the problem is, then..
[05:50] <afo-blackness> wtf i got kicked
[05:50] <afo-blackness> just gived my commanbd line
[05:51] <Nermal> excess flood dear
[05:51] <njan> * afo-blackness has quit (Excess Flood)
[05:51] <afo-blackness> any dedicated server (games cs source) users who know about linux problems ?
[05:51] <ebag> is there any problem w/installing 2 versions of libgtk?  i.e. libgtk1.2-dev and libgtk2.0-dev ?
[05:51] <afo-blackness> then pm because here i flood in the main chat
[05:51] <kreiger> hm
[05:51] <Nermal> ebag, shouldn't be
[05:51] <kreiger> hm
[05:51] <kreiger> here's a question
[05:51] <tezem> My friend compiled a new kernel with the config from the standard kernel he used before but he now gets a Kernel Panic. It's likely that the Problem has to do with the initrd. We don't have a initrd for this kernel. Where could it found?
[05:52] <Nermal> tezem, mkinitrd
[05:52] <kreiger> if i use the ubuntu CD to wipe the partitions linux is currently on, can i overwrite my grub safely?
[05:52] <kreiger> cause i think it's the drivers from the cam for some reason.
[05:52] <Nermal> I think so...
[05:52] <kreiger> i don't want to lose my windows partition
[05:52] <Nermal> yeah you do!
[05:52] <afo-blackness> any 1 ?????????
[05:52] <Nermal> gowaaaaan
[05:53] <Nermal> afo-blackness, it should just be a concise question
[05:53] <kreiger> not until i have a stable linux one.
[05:53] <kreiger> and not until i have Cedega working properly so i can play CS:S
[05:53] <afo-blackness> i found something:  ./hlds_run: line 423: 4026 Segmentatie fout (core dumped) $HL_CMD
[05:53] <Chester> hi
[05:53] <afo-blackness> maybe that is my problem.
[05:53] <tezem> Nermal: for what are these initrds?
[05:54] <kreiger> i might as well try it.
[05:54] <kreiger> see you guys on the other side.
[05:54] <Chester> can someone help me with my install. Every time I want to install it, it looks like this: http://www.chester.speedxs.nl/fubar.jpg
[05:54] <Nermal> tezem, initrd = initial ramdisk - loads an inital filesystem with things like filesystem driver modules and things in
[05:54] <edmack> Hi, when I plug my non UMS iRiver (899), it crashes my wacom drivers in Warty and Hoary
[05:54] <Nermal> Chester, looks like a framebuffer issue
[05:54] <edmack> should I report it in bugzilla?
[05:54] <Nermal> try booting the install with vga=normal
[05:55] <tezem> Nermal: why is this needed in Ubuntu. I use Arch and I don't need such things
[05:55] <Chester> k, I'll try that now
[05:55] <Nermal> tezem, compile the kernel without initrd support ?
[05:55] <afo-blackness> i found probaly the error:  ./hlds_run: line 423: 4026 Segmentatie fout (core dumped) $HL_CMD       at least i hope so,
[05:55] <Thom_Holwerda> ive had it with ubuntu-sparc and linux-sparc in general :(
[05:56] <Thom_Holwerda> im gettign back to solaris on my sparc
[05:56] <afo-blackness> for my full
[05:56] <afo-blackness> error please go to
[05:56] <Nermal> afo-blackness, gdb ?
[05:56] <afo-blackness> http://forum.counter-strike.nl/showthread.php?t=11302
[05:56] <afo-blackness> gdb ??? huh ?
[05:57] <tezem> Nermal: yes ok but why should somebody need this initrd support?
[05:57] <Nermal> because some distros want to load ide controller modules in before they try to load the root fs
[05:57] <Nermal> and they can only do that if they are not on the fs they are trying to read ;)
[05:58] <Chester> Nermal, It still looks like that
[05:58] <Nermal> hometime :0
[05:58] <tezem> Nermal: ok thx
[05:58] <Nermal> *waves*
[05:59] <pronik> hi guys, is there any possibility to start gnome-volume-manager in a non-gnome session automatically?
[05:59] <afo-blackness> so still no one knows
[06:01] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda: BLEH
[06:01] <Moof> hey
[06:01] <LinuxJones> afo-blackness, did you try a Half-Life/CS support channel ?
[06:02] <Moof> how do I add an application to the applications menu?
[06:03] <spiral> Moof: applications:/ in gnome ?
[06:03] <spiral> Moof: nautilus
[06:03] <thoreauputic> applications:///
[06:04] <afo-blackness> no linuxjones i don;t know the server.
[06:04] <spiral> thoreauputic: whoa... so much "/" :-p
[06:04] <thoreauputic> or right click in the menu and add from there on warty
[06:04] <thoreauputic> spiral: works here ;-)
[06:05] <thoreauputic> don't know what the extra // are for...
[06:05] <afo-blackness> linuxjones ?????????
[06:05] <spiral> thoreauputic: I'm under kde, won't check... But this kind of reminds me the C:\\Windows\\" & etc things when I had to devel under windows... or the "\\\\\uncname\\thing" for network under windows
[06:05] <Pointwood> repost: I've added a few applications to my Applications menu, but they don't show up, though if I open the folder by running applications:// then they are there?!
[06:06] <thoreauputic> spiral: actually one works fine - jut tried it
[06:06] <spiral> thoreauputic: all right, thanks :-)
[06:06] <LinuxJones> afo-blackness, you've used Linux before ?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> spiral: I just did it that way because someone told me that!
[06:07] <spiral> thoreauputic: all right, no problem... I was just amazed :-)
[06:07] <firefly> Does the hoary xorg already have the xorg.6.8.2 ati drivers?  Switched from arch, where I ran 6.8.2 and I could get a screen with 1280x1024, ubuntu only gives me 1024x768.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> spiral: yes, don't know why I was told that - it was one of the devs here as well
[06:07] <spiral> thoreauputic: :-)
[06:09] <thoreauputic> I have xcdroast as well, but this seems to work well
[06:10] <Moof> ok, so now I have a folder there, how do I create the pgadmin3 app in there?
[06:10] <dem> any hints on buildking a lirc modules?
[06:10] <firefly> gnomebaker, which version -- universe?
[06:10] <kent> graveman is a good burning program aswell.
[06:10] <thoreauputic> firefly: no - I'll give you a link
[06:11] <thoreauputic> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[06:11] <thoreauputic> firefly: ^^^
[06:12] <LinuxJones> kent, graveman looks too much like xcdroast
[06:12] <thoreauputic> kent: I compiled graveman on warty - but it errored out talking tocdrecord for some reason
[06:13] <thoreauputic> kent: I was annoyed as I spent some time getting the dependencies together for the build :/
[06:13] <spiral> hmmm... Any new about a package for amarok 1.2 final ?
[06:13] <spiral> Riddell: maybe ?
[06:13] <dem> i wish there was a lirc kernel package, because they don't build with a stock kernel-headers
[06:14] <Riddell> spiral: it's on my todo list, keep poking me and I might do it this evening
[06:15] <firefly> thoreauputic:  Tx, installed.  Looks good.  BTW, live in Thoreaus fav. state in US...
[06:15] <Semt-X> You like that?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> firefly: :)
[06:15] <spiral> Riddell: all right.. If you want it :-)
[06:15] <spiral> Riddell: please !!! ;-)
[06:17] <Mitario> is anyone seeing weird X overlay color changes?
[06:17] <Mitario> If I start totem, and I play a movie, I everytime have to go to Display settings and reset the color sliders
[06:18] <Moof> hmmm
[06:18] <Mitario> and i have to set saturation all the way to 0 to get normal colors
[06:18] <Moof> is there anywhere I can get a postgresql 8 package for warty?
[06:21] <vi11e> how can I unpack an .ace file ?
[06:22] <kaha> Hello
[06:22] <zenrox> hello
[06:23] <kaha> I have a question. Does the spam filtering on Evolution actually work for everyone else, or am I missing something? It's for an imap account.
[06:23] <afo-blackness> as i said i am totally new to linux
[06:24] <kaha> Or would #evolution be a better place to ask that?  :)
[06:24] <zenrox> kaha dont know
[06:24] <thoreauputic> kaha: not sure, but I think it needs "training"
[06:24] <zenrox> ya i agree
[06:25] <thoreauputic> I would guess it improves as you tag more stuff as spam
[06:25] <kaha> Been "training" it, but it seems to have no effect. Doesn't even mark stuff as junk. Thunderbird, OTOH, works great. But I like Evolution.
[06:25] <thoreauputic> hmm
[06:26] <kaha> Yeah, this makes me wonder if I've got something wrong.
[06:26] <zenrox> hmmm
[06:26] <dem> getting lirc modules going in hoary is driving me nuts, anyone done it before?
[06:28] <Echylo> hi
[06:28] <Echylo> question :p
[06:28] <Echylo> how you update to hoary? just with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:29] <farruinn> once you've changed every mention of warty to hoary in your sources.list, yes :)
[06:29] <Echylo> ok
[06:29] <farruinn> there is no hoary-updates though (in case you have that)
[06:29] <zenrox> yep hes right
[06:29] <Echylo> that was a little detail I missed :P
[06:29] <Echylo> where is the sources.list again?
[06:29] <kreiger> I have sound
[06:29] <LinuxJones> Echylo, /etc/apt/
[06:29] <Echylo> k thanks
[06:29] <LinuxJones> :)
[06:30] <farruinn> Echylo: also, if you have any backports those might have to be removed first
[06:30] <kreiger> Anybody know how to change your root password when you can't remember it in the first place?
[06:30] <Echylo> I installed a clean ubuntu
[06:30] <kreiger> well, user password
[06:31] <kaha> a true Jedi never forgets his root password.  :P
[06:31] <kaha> heh
[06:31] <kreiger> Well, i'
[06:31] <kreiger> m not jedi
[06:31] <kreiger> and what's weird is that i was able to log into root.
[06:31] <zenrox> lol
[06:31] <kreiger> i mean gnome
[06:31] <kreiger> so i don't know what i did.
[06:32] <kreiger> but entering the same thing gives me an  authentication failure
[06:32] <farruinn> how did you log into gnome?
[06:32] <Echylo> yea was wondering that too
[06:32] <kreiger> user and password
[06:32] <Echylo> so
[06:32] <kreiger> and it worked
[06:32] <Echylo> hmm
[06:32] <Echylo> check your keyboard layout
[06:32] <kreiger> but i'm typing the same thing
[06:32] <Echylo> it doesn't has the same layout at the login
[06:32] <Echylo> not here anyway
[06:32] <kreiger> hrm
[06:32] <kreiger> where do i check that?
[06:32] <Echylo> wow
[06:33] <Echylo> 489mb
[06:33] <Echylo> for hoary ?
[06:33] <Echylo> can that be correct?
[06:33] <thoreauputic> yes
[06:33] <Echylo> lets go then
[06:33] <farruinn> you're upgrading every single package that's installed, it's going to be a lot
[06:33] <Echylo> yes
[06:33] <Echylo> I have time
[06:33] <kreiger> Echylo, how do you check layout?
[06:33] <Echylo> computer
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Echylo: what were you expecting? It's a complete upgrade...
[06:33] <Echylo> dekstop config
[06:33] <Echylo> keyboard
[06:34] <kreiger> found it
[06:34] <Echylo> 2nd tab I think
[06:34] <Echylo> how long will it take?
[06:34] <Echylo> 3-4 hours?
[06:34] <Echylo> on a p2 433
[06:34] <kreiger> So, jedi, i can't change this?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Echylo: that depends entirely on the speed of your connection
[06:34] <kreiger> hm
[06:34] <Echylo> ow
[06:34] <Echylo> 150kb/s
[06:34] <kreiger> brb
[06:35] <Echylo> but max 400kb/s
[06:35] <Echylo> now it runs @200
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Echylo: well , do the maths
[06:35] <Echylo> yea
[06:35] <Xappe> i did it in like 12 mins, 1,1 MB/s
[06:35] <Echylo> but then it has to set up & stuff
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Xappe: I hate you ! I'm on dialup.. :/
[06:35] <Echylo> lol
[06:35] <Echylo> I have 3.3mbit
[06:36] <Echylo> but it's restricted
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Echylo: that bit won't take long
[06:36] <Echylo> I have a 10gig limit per month
[06:36] <Hannes_> ^_^
[06:36] <Echylo> which is pretty sucky
[06:36] <Hannes_> full rate ADS with no bandwidth limits :P
[06:36] <Hannes_> *ADSL
[06:36] <Echylo> pfuh :p
[06:37] <Xappe> that was when my net were not that filled with porn leechers as it is now
[06:37] <Xappe> *was
[06:37] <Echylo> lol
[06:37] <Hannes_> yap :P
[06:38] <selinium_> hi all, I am trying to dynamically create some javascript with PHP. But i am very new to Javascript. can someone have a look at the output and let me konw where I am going wrong please
[06:38] <Xappe> now I ger around 400 -600 kB/s when updating from the ubuntu repos
[06:38] <Echylo> but why you get 400
[06:38] <Echylo> when I can reach at max 400
[06:38] <selinium_> Duh sorry, wrong tab!
[06:38] <Echylo> and it only downs @ 146
[06:38] <kreiger> i fixed my problem
[06:38] <kreiger> i win at internet
[06:38] <Echylo> what did you solved?
[06:38] <Xappe> Echylo, becaus i'm on a 10 Mbit connection
[06:39] <Echylo> so?
[06:39] <Echylo> if you reach 400 which is normal for you
[06:39] <Echylo> and I only reach 150 and I can reach 400 @ max
[06:39] <Echylo> doesn't sounds logic no?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Echylo: he just has a superior connection
[06:40] <Echylo> hmm
[06:40] <THe_DoOrS>  join #ccpower
[06:40] <Echylo> sudo apt-get install libsuperior-connection
[06:40] <Echylo> it will work!
[06:40] <Echylo> :p
[06:41] <kreiger> lol
[06:41] <thoreauputic> THe_DoOrS: hey, at least be orignal ! ;)
[06:41] <thoreauputic> the trout is a bit *old*
[06:41] <zenrox> thats original
[06:42] <Xappe> well, that should be  "shared 10 Mbit"...and we are connected to the SUNET (swedish university networks) Gbit line
[06:42] <Xappe> something like that
[06:42] <zenrox> lol
[06:43] <farruinn> lol, that doesn't even make sense!
[06:45] <kreiger> Mm
[06:46] <kreiger> i think this is the proper forum to say i frickin LOVE ubuntu
[06:46] <kreiger> ^_^
[06:46] <thoreauputic> that should hurt...
[06:46] <NermalLaptop> boops
[06:47] <kreiger> NermalLaptop, i was right.
[06:47] <kreiger> it was the camera drivers
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> :)
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> well done :)
[06:47] <kreiger> X was loading them instead of my motherboards drivers
[06:47] <thoreauputic> ouch
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> odd
[06:47] <kreiger> SO i reinstalled, and now i'm fine
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> and I'm knackered
[06:47] <kreiger> No, actually in windows when i install the cam, it does the same thing.,
[06:47] <kreiger> it's like "MINE"
[06:47] <NermalLaptop> lol
[06:48] <kreiger> Nermal, what location art thou from?
[06:48] <dr_willis> THe_DoOrS,  whats with the "On Join" invite spam?
[06:48] <ions> anybody here have any idea what the problem is here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=73397#post73397
[06:48] <ions> the whole thread, not just that post
[06:49] <prego> hi! can I change the Xcursor instantly?
[06:49] <NermalLaptop> you cant
[06:49] <dr_willis> the summary of that post is you cant install xmms ?
[06:49] <NermalLaptop> best you can do is apt-get install gcursor
[06:49] <NermalLaptop> and then it will take effect at next logon
[06:50] <prego> NermalLaptop, I've done just that ;-)
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> ah :)
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> me too :)
[06:50] <prego> NermalLaptop, however, do you know why is that not possible? is it sth related to Xorg?
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> probably
[06:50] <kreiger> M
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> I'm not entirely sure why
[06:50] <ions> dr_willis: the WHOLE post is my problem not just the xmms thing
[06:50] <NermalLaptop> my brain is melting
[06:50] <prego> hehe
[06:50] <kreiger> i'm in console, and i was asked if i wanted to view the differences in packagaes
[06:51] <kreiger> i chose to, and now i can't get out of that screen
[06:51] <kreiger> wtf?
[06:51] <markuman> i have problems with apt-get update
[06:51] <markuman> E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/htt could not be found.
[06:51] <kreiger> i'm at a thing saying "END"
[06:51] <markuman> what can i do?
[06:51] <NermalLaptop> urgh
[06:51] <prego> Anyone using a SiS card in Hoary's Xorg? cannot enable OpenGL at all...
[06:52] <NermalLaptop> looks like some fs corruption
[06:52] <NermalLaptop> oh hang on
[06:52] <NermalLaptop> does one of your lines in /etc/apt/sources.list read htt:// not http?
[06:52] <WW> markuman: This is a shot in the dark... make sure sources.list doesn't have any errors in it.
[06:52] <markuman> oh. LOL yes. thx
[06:52] <NermalLaptop> :)
[06:52] <Deicide-> Hello i got a problem: I got a new HDD today. BIOS cant recognise my disc, but the Ubuntu installation program did. So i installed the first stage of Ubuntu without problem. Now, it wants me to remove the CD and boot from the HDD to begin the second stage install. The problem is, as i said, that my HDD isnt recognised by BIOS, so i cant start the second stage. Can i, in some way, start the second stage from the CD?
[06:52] <WW> markuman: What NermalLaptop said :)
[06:53] <NermalLaptop> Deicide-, um... how can it not be recognised by the bios ?
[06:54] <dgp> Deicide-: is it a very old machine?
[06:54] <Deicide-> Its an old computer, and it just cant be found. I now that i cant upgrade BIOS, but im fine with booting from a CD or a floppy. So, thats why im wondering if i can boot from the CD.
[06:54] <Deicide-> Its a AMD-K6 at 350 mhz.
[06:54] <NermalLaptop> ah
[06:54] <NermalLaptop> ubuntu wax cylinder edition :)
[06:54] <dgp> Deicide-: and what about the disk? Have you tried with setting lba mode in the bios?
[06:55] <Deicide-> Yes, i have. But i can try again. Wait a few seconds.
[06:55] <prego> Deicide-, just for curiosity, how large is the HD?
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> 3.5"?
[06:56] <Deicide-> It says: "Detecting IDE primary master.. [Press F4 to skip]    And nothing more happen.s
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> badomtish
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> hmm
[06:56] <Deicide-> Its at 3.5" 40gb HDD. My old HDD was also a 40gb and it worked fine.
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> update the bios ?
[06:56] <NermalLaptop> hmm
[06:57] <Deicide-> Actually, its 41 gb.
[06:57] <spiral> Riddell: may I insist ? amarok 1.2 :-p
[06:57] <dgp> Deicide-: strange. same brand?
[06:57] <spiral> Riddell: sorry :-)
[06:57] <Deicide-> No, not the same brand.
[06:57] <Deicide-> So i cant boot the second stage from the CD huh?
[06:57] <dgp> Deicide-: i think not
[06:57] <evarlast> Deicide-: is the drive properly jumpered for the position in the IDE bus?  Master/Slave/etc
[06:57] <NermalLaptop> even if you could it would be pointless
[06:58] <NermalLaptop> as your bios reads the MBR to load the bootloader iirc
[06:58] <dgp> Deicide-: try to enforce some other mode, e.g. chs or large or whatever, until it works
[06:58] <Deicide-> Yes. I mean, the Ubuntu installation found it and installed the system without any problem. So there is nothing wrong with the HDD.
[06:58] <Deicide-> I have tried all.
[06:58] <Deicide-> But i can try again.
[06:58] <dgp> Deicide-: does it power up instantly or after some seconds? try setting a delay
[06:59] <Deicide-> If i press "HDD IDE AUTO DETECTION" the bios just hangs. I did that with my old HDD without any problems.
[06:59] <dgp> i've seen older machines see only some part (like the first 8gb) of a disk
[07:00] <dgp> Deicide-: if it hangs it is a bios bug, and not fixable :-(
[07:00] <Deicide-> Oh, ok. So there is no chance to boot the second stage installation from the CD?
[07:01] <NermalLaptop> no
[07:01] <NermalLaptop> and it would be pointless
[07:01] <dgp> Deicide-: with a grub floppy (and some knowledge) you can boot your system once, but i don't know if you can setup it properly
[07:01] <NermalLaptop> please read what we type
[07:01] <Deicide-> Must have missed that.
[07:01] <Xappe> humhum, anyone for the solution of the problem "skype and polypaudio"?
[07:01] <Deicide-> Oh well, thanks for the help. Guess i have to upgrade the BIOS.
[07:02] <dgp> Deicide-: if it is possible, that's the best solution
[07:02] <prego> Deicide-, *perhaps* you may use another computer to do the install
[07:02] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got somthiong 'backwards'  Warty is the "testing version"? and Hoary is the 'tried and true/stable' one? or am i backwards
[07:02] <prego> Deicide-, install everything there, create bootdisk, put the hd in the old one and see if it boots ?????
[07:02] <dgp>  dr_willis: backwards
[07:03] <Deicide-> But how about the hardware issue?
[07:03] <dr_willis> installing to a machine.. 2 weeks ago - it was a 10 sec fix to get the ati drivers going on it.. buit now i cant get the thing woirking. I think i put on the new one :P
[07:03] <dgp> no, he's having problem when booting
[07:03] <Pointwood> dr_willis: warty is stabel
[07:03] <Pointwood> * stable
[07:03] <dr_willis> dgp,  so if i want my ati stuff going.. I think i need the old one.. "warty"
[07:03] <prego> Deicide-, perhaps the floppy does that right I don't know
[07:03] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: relatively stable ;)
[07:03] <Deicide-> Oh, ok. Thanks for your help.
[07:03] <prego> Deicide-, sorry, I missunderstood you
[07:03] <dgp> dr_willis: just install xorg-driver-fglrx on hoary, fglrx-driver on warty
[07:04] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: hehe, not entirely bug free, I agree ;)
[07:04] <dr_willis> dgp,  well i did that - and it still aint finding the fglrx
[07:04] <dr_willis> so i tried installing the xfree, and that fglrx.. still no go.
[07:04] <alien_in_rm_309> how do i install apps that rn't in synapse?
[07:04] <dr_willis> following the howto/driver guide. but somthing aint right..
[07:04] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: Debian Woody is *really* stable - but old and boring ;)
[07:04] <NermalLaptop> alien_in_rm_309, depends on the app
[07:04] <dgp> dr_willis: but are you using the stable distro?
[07:04] <keyshawn2> alien_in_rm_309, you have to install from source.
[07:04] <NermalLaptop> or a .deb
[07:04] <alien_in_rm_309> how do i do that?
[07:04] <farruinn> alien_in_rm_309: what do you want that's not in the repos?
[07:04] <alien_in_rm_309> is there a how to guild on that
[07:04] <NermalLaptop> oh god
[07:04] <keyshawn2> ha
[07:05] <dr_willis> dgp,  not sure which cd i put in this time - lol :P
[07:05] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: you're prolly right ;) I'm just wondering about my vanishing menu entries...
[07:05] <dr_willis> dgp,  reburning a warty cd - and doing a reinstall
[07:05] <klaym> hello! has anyone got experience on installing phobia 3 on ubuntu?
[07:05] <alien_in_rm_309> i am just looking at some games that i have found on the net and want to know how i can install them
[07:05] <dgp> dr_willis: anyway, just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg) and select fglrx
[07:05] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: warty has problems with gnome-panel and a few other things...
[07:05] <dr_willis> dgp,  xorg was installed on the machine by defaulg - that ment it was useing Hory. but the fglrx stuff wasent working.  :(
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: sometimes "killall gnome-panel" works (it regenerates)
[07:06] <farruinn> alien_in_rm_309: first make sure you have universe enabled
[07:06] <dgp> dr_willis: open xorg.conf, and in the Device section select the fglrx driver
[07:06] <dr_willis> its seeming to not find the module..  Grr.. wife keeps pestering me when i am in the middle of somthing.. :P will try again. thanks for the help
[07:06] <dr_willis> dgp,  right - i edited the ati - to be fglrx.
[07:06] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: the machine has been rebooted and some entries I've added before the reboot, doesn't show up
[07:06] <alien_in_rm_309> I am a newbie, i really dont know what some of this stuff is
[07:06] <alien_in_rm_309> where would i find that
[07:07] <dgp> alien_in_rm_309: which programs are you looking for?
[07:07] <alien_in_rm_309> lore
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: yeah - funnily enough the ppc version on my iBook laptop seems more stable than the X86 version
[07:08] <dgp> alien_in_rm_309: remember that you can find packages only for free software
[07:08] <alien_in_rm_309> yeah i know
[07:08] <farruinn> alien_in_rm_309: http://www.ubuntlinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:08] <alien_in_rm_309> how would i install a program like that though
[07:08] <farruinn> That wiki page will tell how to enable universe
[07:08] <dgp> alien_in_rm_309: either you find it in some external repository, or you have to use other means
[07:09] <alien_in_rm_309> that link is bad
[07:09] <alien_in_rm_309> what r the other means?
[07:09] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:09] <farruinn> that link shouldn't be wrong...
[07:09] <dgp> alien_in_rm_309: converting an rpm with alien, or installing a tarball.
[07:10] <alien_in_rm_309> ok
[07:11] <ron_> how do i share a printer on another computer
[07:11] <ron_> how do i share a printer on another computer
[07:11] <dgp> but before going out in the wild, search in universe and multiverse repositories and look at the ubuntu web site
[07:11] <ron_> how do i share a printer on another computer
[07:11] <thenuke> ron_: OK.
[07:11] <ron_> ok
[07:11] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: that link works fine here - keep trying
[07:11] <dgp> ron_: not by flooding the channel ;-)
[07:11] <ron_> one computer is ubuntu and the other is too
[07:12] <alien_in_rm_309> thanks i got it to work this time
[07:13] <dgp> ron_: don't know for sure... try to install a network printer on the remote machine (Administration->Printers)
[07:14] <ron_> but one has the driver
[07:14] <ron_> and the other doesnt
[07:14] <ron_> how do i share a printer on another computer
[07:14] <ron_> anyone know?
[07:14] <ron_> i tried
[07:14] <ron_> it doesnt work
[07:14] <LinuxJones> lol
[07:15] <aplsin> what package do i need to compile programs which need to use the alsa-mixer?
[07:16] <gro> aplsin: sudo apt-get build-dep alsa-mixer ;)
[07:17] <dgp> ron_: locally, it works for me: Printer->Add printer->Printer type->Network printer->CUPS (IPP) and then the ip address. it appears to works
[07:17] <Xappe> ron_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[07:17] <aplsin> gro, didnt work ^^
[07:18] <Xappe> ron_, you have to edit your cupsd.conf to allow connections from the other computer
[07:18] <prego> ron_, Xappe and also be sure that you put the correct url on the other computer...
[07:18] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: it's wierd, I just tried editing a menu item/launcher (Firestarter - it needs root) and after I did that, *pow* it was gone but I can still see it if I open applications:///
[07:18] <Xappe> prego, yes
[07:19] <alien_in_rm_309> how do i install a tar ball?
[07:19] <aplsin> i found it i think, libasound-dev :)
[07:19] <farruinn> Pointwood: maybe restart the ubuntu menu applet
[07:19] <prego> ron_, Xappe Ximian desktop configured cups to auto-detect printers on network... anyone knows how to do that?
[07:19] <dgp> prego: maybe it makes cups listening on the network by default
[07:19] <Xappe> alien_in_rm_309, most of the time: "./configure" followed by "make" followed by "make install"
[07:20] <prego> dgp, can I enable that easyly?
[07:20] <alien_in_rm_309> ok will try that
[07:20] <dgp> prego: yes, look at the faq page, it explains how to edit cupsd.conf
[07:20] <farruinn> alien_in_rm_309: source tarballs usually come with a README and INSTALL file.  Read them.
[07:21] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[07:21] <BadGuy> What channel can I get support for GNOPPIX
[07:21] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: the firestarter package installed its own menu entry here: under interbet
[07:21] <thoreauputic> *internet
[07:21] <prego> dgp, which faq page?
[07:21] <dgp> BadGuy: is there #gnoppix?
[07:22] <dgp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[07:22] <farruinn> prego: the one in the topic maybe?
[07:22] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: yes, it did and it was there until I edited it
[07:22] <kreiger> Will repository items for firefox work if i upgrade it to 1.1?
[07:22] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: the fact that it needs root would be confusing for people who only know about sudo
[07:22] <BadGuy> No
[07:23] <kreiger> I really need extentions.
[07:23] <kreiger> it's killin me
[07:23] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: that's what it complains about when I start it
[07:23] <dgp> BadGuy: don't know, then...
[07:23] <Pointwood> it asks me to enter the root password
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: it *really* needs gksudo , not gksu
[07:23] <Pointwood> ahhh
[07:23] <dgp> kreiger: can't u install ext with ff 1.0?
[07:23] <Pointwood> anyway, that was another problem :)
[07:24] <Deicide-> Just one question: Can i create a grub floppy frn the CD?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: I just set up a root user (heresy) ;)
[07:24] <BadGuy> Anyone know about Gnoppix ?
[07:24] <prego> farruinn, nope
[07:24] <dgp> Deicide-: not sure, but there is the grub-floppy command
[07:24] <thenuke> frn :)
[07:25] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: started fine with that change :) I never heard about either gksu or gksudo before...
[07:25] <dgp> i guess it means from. is that swedish or a language from norway?
[07:25] <thenuke> that was funny somehow because I have never before seen swede mixing swedish and english
[07:25] <thoreauputic> ;) I'm a mine of trivial information
[07:25] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: but the vanishing menu items annoys me more ;)
[07:26] <Deicide-> A grub floppy command? I'll check it out.
[07:26] <dgp> prego: look at the page i told you, and look for sharing printer on lan
[07:26] <kreiger> dgp, i tried
[07:26] <BadGuy> Can I install GNoppix without a HDD
[07:26] <kreiger> it said only compatible with 1.1
[07:26] <kreiger> *sniff*
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: I get crashes when I change the desktop background sometimes - really shouldn't happen :/
[07:26] <Pointwood> ouch! :(
[07:26] <dgp> kreiger: but 1.1 isn't out yet
[07:27] <kreiger> .
[07:27] <kreiger> hm
[07:27] <kreiger> cool
[07:27] <kreiger> it worked this time
[07:27] <kreiger> ^_^
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: when i get fed up, I just log in to Fluxbox :) Most of the issues are Gnome issues
[07:27] <Pointwood> :)
[07:28] <dgp> kreiger: :-)
[07:28] <kreiger> I wish i could get my res higher tho.
[07:28] <dgp> BadGuy: you can run it because it is a live, but not installing
[07:28] <kreiger> this 1028 shit is annoying
[07:29] <Deicide-> grub-floppy wont work, it says it cant find the kernel-image.
[07:29] <BadGuy> RamDisk?
[07:29] <selinium_> hi all, I have installed the apache server, do i need to install a firewall?] 
[07:29] <dgp> BadGuy: installing a system to a ramdisk (supposing you have that much ram) is pointless
[07:30] <farruinn> selinium_: no, the linux kernel has iptables
[07:30] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: I'm still very much a n00b :)
[07:30] <drasko> hello. When I am making php4.log, who should be the owner to write in it? data_write? write_data? I've forgotten that...
[07:31] <selinium_> farriun: Cheers!
[07:31] <BadGuy> Well thats what I need to do to diagnos my drive
[07:31] <thoreauputic> selinium_: for a nice graphical front-end to iptables, try firestarter
[07:31] <farruinn> selinium_: if you want to configure iptables though you might want to install Firestarter or shorewall
[07:31] <dgp> BadGuy: just boot up the live cd and use it. it should work
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: everything is relative - I know only about the things I've needed to learn
[07:31] <klaym> where could I get libvorbisfile.so.0? it's needes by phobia 3 :P
[07:32] <davix> i've installed hoary arrey 5 and i cant "open device for writing" when trying to play mp3s
[07:32] <davix> any ideas?
[07:32] <BadGuy> And have light browsing
[07:32] <selinium_> thoreuaputic && farruin: cheers. Is there anything I should do straight away with the iptables?
[07:32] <davix> when i used warty music worked out just fine btw
[07:32] <drasko> how to chown php.log to write_data? What options?
[07:33] <BadGuy> It stalls @ ....
[07:33] <thoreauputic> selinium_: firestarter has a wizard thing that walks you through setting it up
[07:33] <aplsin> is there a "rc.local" or "local.start" in ubuntu? (to start programs at boot)
[07:33] <prego> dgp, I have compared cupsd.conf from ubuntu and SuSE 9.1 ... the keyword for what I want seems to be "browse" instead of "listen"...
[07:33] <thoreauputic> selinium_: it's trivially easy
[07:33] <BadGuy> RAMDISK FOUND IMAGE AT 0
[07:33] <selinium_> thoreuaputic: Thanxs for your help!
[07:34] <thoreauputic> selinium_: you're welcome :)
[07:34] <dgp> prego: it works now?
[07:35] <dgp> aplsin: there isn't, but you can write one
[07:35] <thoreauputic> selinium_: if it complains about root passwords, start it from a terminal with ` sudo firestarter`
[07:35] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i asked b4 how to install a tar ball, what do i use to install it
[07:35] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: you usually need to compile it
[07:35] <alien_in_rm_309> with what?
[07:35] <selinium_> thoreuaputic: I worked that one out myself with bluefish accessing the webroot!
[07:36] <deancographics> Hello, I have a Logitec USB mouse using a PS/2 adapter.  When I attempt to use it, the mouse jumps all over the place.  Any ideas?
[07:36] <Deicide-> dgp, can i create a grub-floppy to boot from? Didnt understand what you meant.
[07:36] <alien_in_rm_309> i am new to this kind of stuff
[07:36] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: which requires build-essential
[07:36] <prego> dpg, I have not the other machine right here now :-(( but I'll try it next week. Thanks for your help
[07:36] <Pointwood> thoreauputic: I don't think sudo firestarter works - I believe I tried it without luck just a few min. ago
[07:36] <BadGuy> Do i need a special boot command?
[07:36] <aplsin> dgp: where shall i put it?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: compiling can be a bit tricky when you are new to it
[07:36] <dgp> Deicide-: that you could create a generic boot floppy with grub-floppy
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: hmm - worked here
[07:37] <dgp> aplsin: under /etc/init.d and then create startup links to it
[07:37] <klaym> has anyone got experience on running phobia 3 on linux?
[07:37] <farruinn> Pointwood: _gksudo_
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Pointwood: else do sudo -s to get a root shell first
[07:37] <Pointwood> farruinn: yup :)
[07:38] <Deicide-> dgp, how do i do that then?
[07:38] <prego> firestarter can only manage one ethernet card, isn't it? or could it be used to configure more advanced cases (two cards pointing to local networks routed to third card pointing to internet) ?
[07:38] <dgp> Deicide-: but with such a floppy you need to manually enter the commands to grub every time you boot
[07:38] <aplsin> dgp: then i must write a start) stop) script?
[07:38] <alien_in_rm_309> i installed build essential
[07:38] <alien_in_rm_309> now what?
[07:39] <Deicide-> Oh, ok. Thanks anyway.
[07:39] <dgp> aplsin: something like that
[07:39] <BadGuy> Im stuck
[07:39] <dgp> aplsin: use /etc/init.d/skeleton as example
[07:39] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: navigate to the directory with the tarball, and issue  tar xvzf <tarballbame>
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Tarballname
[07:40] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[07:40] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: that should decompress it into a directory
[07:40] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[07:40] <dgp> Deicide-: you can find the commands in your /boot/grub/menu.lst. i don't know whether copying that file on the floppy would automate the process
[07:40] <thoreauputic> then you move to the directory and *read the README or INSTALL* files
[07:41] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[07:41] <thoreauputic> usually it's ./configure && make && make install as root
[07:41] <mephisto_> hi
[07:41] <mephisto_> i have a serious problem with ubuntu linux
[07:41] <thoreauputic> alien_in_rm_309: but you will often find configure complains about missing development packages
[07:42] <mephisto_> several X- Applications crash - for example firefox when opening ebay
[07:42] <davix> i've installed hoary arrey 5 and i cant "open device for writing" when trying to play mp3s when i used warty music worked out just fine btw
[07:42] <mephisto_> evolution when printing and so on
[07:42] <LinuxJones> mephisto_, have you upgraded your packages since your install ?
[07:43] <farruinn> mephisto_: warty or hoary?
[07:43] <mephisto_> yes
[07:43] <mephisto_> warty
[07:43] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[07:45] <mephisto_> it seems like some gtk stuff is broken
[07:45] <nanomad> what is broken?
[07:46] <mephisto_> i don't know exactly
[07:46] <mephisto_> some of my gnome application do not work
[07:46] <aplsin> dgp: okey i have done it now, but the pid-file isnt created so the script can'
[07:47] <aplsin> dgp: okey i have done it now, but the pid-file isnt created so the script can't stop the daemon
[07:47] <nanomad> mephisto_:mhh..hope are only dev packages :)
[07:48] <mephisto_> perhapps it is some pc specific stuff
[07:48] <heliolith> question about X-server problems in Ubuntu.  I am a 2nd grade teacher and have installed Ubunu on a bunch of classroom computers, unfortunately after powering on one of the machines that was running the smoothest the other day, X failed to load and I can't find anything wrong with the XF86.conf file... it uses nvidia drivers, but nothing was changed and one day it just stopped loading gnome... any ideas?
[07:49] <chrismurf> does anybody here have ndiswrapper working with ubuntu?
[07:49] <tritium> heliolith, first place to look is /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[07:49] <mephisto_> i tried current firefox, but it doesn't work either
[07:50] <chrismurf> I have ndiswrapper installed; I see wlan0 with ifconfig and iwconfig but I cannot find any nodes with iwlist scanning (there are tons.)
[07:50] <heliolith> tritium I looked there it said error in loading nvidia kernel or something like that... i can't IRC from school b/c of firewall
[07:50] <nanomad> mephisto_: i am using standard firefox (d/l from official site)
[07:50] <tritium> heliolith, did you upgrade a kernel and not also upgrade linux-restricted-modules?
[07:50] <heliolith> I wish there was a CD/iso i could pop in to auto-diagnose and repair X
[07:51] <heliolith> tritium I'm not sure about that... I used the direcitons on the unofficial guide page
[07:51] <heliolith> it was working for a couple of weeks before it crashed
[07:51] <chrismurf> heliolith, it doesn't sound like a crash, it sounds like something changed and it waited until you reooted to take effect (like a kernel)
[07:52] <nanomad> mephisto_: i tried std firefox (installed via apt) and it works too... try an upgrade maybe it could solve your problems
[07:52] <tritium> heliolith, yes.  I suggest you first check to make sure that the running kernel and linux-restricted-modules have the exact same version number
[07:52] <heliolith> I used the steps from this page (same as with all the machines I've put Ubuntu on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 (install nvidia-glx and config enable
[07:53] <zenrox> as well as modprobe nvidia
[07:53] <zenrox> and add it to the modules file in /etc
[07:53] <tritium> and make sure /etc/modules contains "nvidia"
[07:53] <tritium> :)
[07:53] <zenrox> lol
[07:53] <zenrox> i had the smae prob
[07:54] <heliolith> tritium I'm pretty sure a friend of mine who looked at it yesterday briefly checked exactly that (checked version numbers) so zenrox just run "modprobe nvidia?
[07:54] <zenrox> yep
[07:54] <heliolith> modprobe will check or install?
[07:54] <zenrox> and make shure its in /etc/modules too
[07:54] <zenrox> check
[07:55] <tritium> heliolith, that will load the module if it's not loaded
[07:55] <zenrox> modprobe will probe the nvidia card
[07:55] <tritium> but that will only remain loaded until the next reboot
[07:55] <tritium> that's why you'll need to add it to your /etc/modules
[07:55] <tritium> That will ensure that it's loaded every time
[07:56] <heliolith> if it's not there how do i correct it? I didn't make any changes to the setup... it's tempting to start over and install from scratch... like i said it was working for at least 2 weeks, powering on and off every day
[07:56] <oDysseas> I'm trying to install ubuntu linux but after installation it hands at Loading grub Please wait...
[07:56] <heliolith> do you think it could be hard drive errors that caused the messup?
[07:56] <oDysseas> hangs*
[07:56] <tritium> heliolith, it's fairly likely just that the module is not loaded if it was ever rebooted
[07:56] <tritium> heliolith, no, don't think so
[07:57] <tritium> I think you didn't add the nvidia module to /etc/modules, and it was rebooted at some point
[07:57] <heliolith> it was rebooted daily
[07:57] <tritium> can you ssh into the box now?
[07:58] <heliolith> for 2 weeks every day I went in I booted it up... no it's behind a firewall... you know how to IRC behind a firewall?
[07:58] <tritium> I think that depends on how it's configured
[07:58] <tritium> so your firewall doesn't allow ssh even?
[07:59] <heliolith> firewall does allow ssh but the machine's not on atm, and I don't know it's dhcp ip
[07:59] <tritium> okay
[07:59] <heliolith> I could probably Irrsi via ssh
[07:59] <tritium> yes, I'll bet so
[08:00] <heliolith> once i get in there anyway... oh well thank you for the help!  talk later (=
[08:00] <tritium> Okay!  :)
[08:01] <rusty_> hi
[08:01] <rusty_> can somebody help me please
[08:01] <zenrox> shure rusty_
[08:01] <rusty_> i just installed kde 3.2 and it killed my sound which was working with gnome and now it's not working in gnome either
[08:01] <rusty_> thanks
[08:01] <zenrox> i dont know kde
[08:01] <rusty_> that's ok
[08:02] <rusty_> i've searched the forums but there don't appear to be any answers there either
[08:02] <rusty_> i was just wondering whether there were any sound config files that might have been changed
[08:03] <rusty_> my sound setup was done automatically and i was using alsa i believe with realtek ac97....
[08:03] <rusty_> but then i installed kde via synaptic and i've lost all my sound...
[08:03] <thoreauputic> rusty_: just a guess - but kde uses artsd and perhaps there's a conflict with that
[08:03] <rusty_> ok
[08:04] <qm> hi
[08:04] <qm> why is array5 live so slow?
[08:04] <rusty_> this is what i get when i type artsd rusty@asahel:~ $ artsd
[08:04] <rusty_> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:549:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe
[08:04] <rusty_> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:549:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe
[08:05] <qm> is it possible to install hoary live array5 to hard drive?
[08:06] <ZellSF> Hi... A question; I should kill X and everything before updating ubuntu?
[08:06] <chrismurf> does anybody have ndiswrapper working under hoary?
[08:07] <rusty_> nah not in my experience
[08:07] <rusty_> just update within x
[08:07] <rusty_> and restart x
[08:07] <ZellSF> Yeah, but when I tried updating earlier, after reboot, all I got was a terminal :/
[08:07] <rusty_> hmmmm
[08:07] <ZellSF> Should I just keep updating then?
[08:07] <rusty_> well did you wait until the update was complete?
[08:08] <rusty_> was this a full system update?
[08:08] <ZellSF> yes, of course
[08:08] <ZellSF> no, probably not :P
[08:08] <rusty_> like from hoary?
[08:08] <ZellSF> yes, upgrade from hoary
[08:08] <rusty_> hmmmm
[08:08] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: and did the kernal change? if so, are you usin nvidia ?
[08:08] <rusty_> i'm doing that right now myself!
[08:08] <ZellSF> Doesn't really matter much, I'll figure that out later, just wondered if I had to kill X or not
[08:08] <rusty_> i've only updated from warty before...
[08:09] <ZellSF> Well, my main reason for coming here was to ask how to set up ubuntu to allow me to remotely access it from my iBook.
[08:09] <rusty_> i just installed kde and it killed my sound!
[08:09] <rusty_> oooh
[08:09] <rusty_> well i'm no good then as i'm a noob
[08:09] <zenrox> ZellSF,  read www.ubuntoguide.org
[08:09] <ZellSF> O_o
[08:09] <ZellSF> maybe you should learn how to spell :P
[08:09] <zenrox> its on that site
[08:09] <zenrox> i know
[08:10] <zenrox> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:10] <ZellSF> :)
[08:10] <zenrox> sorry i am sick today
[08:10] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: it was a typo ;)
[08:10] <ZellSF> Yeah, that's why I commented on it.
[08:10] <zenrox> lol
[08:10] <ZellSF> I'm tired of Windows. Again, why does that happen every time you run Windows for more than a month?
[08:11] <qm> what is the id and password for live cd?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: with me it only takes minutes....
[08:11] <ZellSF> hehe
[08:11] <INRSboy> Q: is it possible to have two distributions (Mdrk & Ubuntu) which share the same /home directory ?
[08:11] <zenrox> lol
[08:11] <zenrox> INRSboy, yess
[08:12] <ZellSF> yeah, that should be possible O_o
[08:12] <Mitario> anyone who uses ACL permissons on their directories? files?
[08:12] <INRSboy> zenrox, is their some sing special to do
[08:12] <zenrox> nope
[08:12] <INRSboy> just point the same sirectory and mounting point ?
[08:12] <zenrox> yep
[08:12] <INRSboy> ok
[08:12] <zenrox> and create a same username
[08:13] <INRSboy> so you can share the mail box and everything
[08:13] <ZellSF> Mdrk = Mandrake?
[08:13] <zenrox> dont know about that
[08:13] <INRSboy> Mdrk = mandrake yes
[08:13] <thoreauputic> there could be issues with uid numbers (mandrake uses 501 rather than 1000 I seem to recall)
[08:13] <zenrox> INRSboy, theoreticky yes
[08:13] <INRSboy> ok
[08:14] <qm> how do I kill x completely?
[08:14] <ZellSF> The only reason I'm unable to use Mandrake is because it doesn't like setting Firefox as default browser :/
[08:14] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  but you can tell mdk to use 1000
[08:14] <qm> gdm loads when I press Ctrl+Alt+backspace
[08:14] <thoreauputic> zenrox: yes
[08:14] <jason_> Hi, my wireless card comes up as eth1 is there a way to change it to wlan0?
[08:14] <ZellSF> Ctrl-alt-f1 ... I think
[08:14] <INRSboy> thank's
[08:14] <qm> thanks
[08:14] <qm> thanks ZellSF
[08:14] <ZellSF> Something like that, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE is restart X
[08:14] <ZellSF> Not kill
[08:14] <thoreauputic> qm:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:14] <ZellSF> or something like that
[08:14] <ZellSF> :/
[08:15] <qm> thoreauputic, i can't even load gnome
[08:15] <zenrox> ctrl+alt+f1 than do what thoreauputic says to do
[08:15] <zenrox> that will stop gdm
[08:15] <zenrox> and x
[08:15] <qm> gnome in live cd is just so slow
[08:15] <zenrox> qm how much ram do you have
[08:15] <qm> 128
[08:15] <ZellSF> btw:  anyone know any Linux Live CDs which'll work on my iBook?
[08:15] <qm> but graphic card uses about 16mb
[08:15] <thoreauputic> to restart gdm substitute start or restart for stop in that command
[08:15] <zenrox> hmm expect it to be slow then
[08:16] <qm> so i have about 102mb left
[08:16] <zenrox> i have ubuntu running on a 64 mb box with x
[08:16] <qm> cool
[08:16] <zenrox> but x is so slow
[08:16] <thoreauputic> qm: 128 is a bit low for a live CD
[08:16] <qm> that's what i experience
[08:16] <zenrox> but it works (remote ssh box)
[08:16] <qm> can i install in the livecd in console?
[08:17] <qm> i quited x
[08:17] <qm> with c+a+F1
[08:17] <qm> now i want to install ubuntu onto hardrive..
[08:17] <zenrox> now do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:17] <thoreauputic> qm: that doesn't kill X - it is probably still running on tty7
[08:18] <thoreauputic> qm: I don't think you can hd installfrom the live CD
[08:18] <ZellSF> Eh, I think you can :/
[08:18] <thoreauputic> qm: you need the installCD
[08:18] <qm> really?
[08:18] <marcin_ant> hello short question - how to install wireless nic based on rtl 8081L chipset?
[08:18] <ZellSF> Ok, I don't really know :P
[08:18] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: really? the warty CD?
[08:19] <ZellSF> I'm not sure, I'm probably thinking about another distro
[08:19] <thoreauputic> qm: AFAIK the warty CD has no install script
[08:19] <qm> i'm using hoary array5 livecd
[08:19] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: knoppix perhaps
[08:19] <ZellSF> Yeah, I guess O_o
[08:20] <ZellSF> I don't like KDE :(
[08:20] <jason__> Hi, my wireless card comes up as eth1 is there a way to change it to wlan0?
[08:20] <sege> ZellSF: dont use kde then? =)
[08:20] <ZellSF> WEll, I was refering to Knoppix
[08:20] <ZellSF> Anyone knows if Linux got airport support yet?
[08:21] <zenrox> dont know ZellSF  but google can be youyr friend too
[08:21] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: airport yes, airport extreme no
[08:22] <marcin_ant> jason_: hmmm I don't know - but could you tell me what network card you got (what chipset?)
[08:23] <jason__> senao prism 2.5 minipci
[08:23] <oDysseas> I'm trying to install ubuntu linux but after installation it hangs at Loading grub Please wait... What am I doing wrong?
[08:24] <dem> i've updated to hoary on my mythbox, but when i try to apt it's missing libavcodeccvs
[08:24] <dem> where is it @
[08:24] <ZellSF> Ok, now I've installed the SSH server... Is it set to autostart at system start automatically?
[08:24] <ZellSF> or is there something I should do?
[08:24] <marcin_ant> jason_: heh I got something with rtl8081L chipset and I don't know how to install
[08:24] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: I think it will autostart
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: it did here, anyway
[08:25] <ZellSF> "The authenticity of host '192.168.1.15 (192.168.1.15)' can't be established."
[08:25] <ZellSF> That means?
[08:25] <aroman> hi
[08:26] <thoreauputic> it means it's the first time you tried to ssh to that box
[08:26] <jason__> marcin_ant: I got this card because of linux compatibility, even had to hack my bios to get my ibm to boot with it and i keep getting errors
[08:26] <ZellSF> oh, ok
[08:26] <thoreauputic> ZellSF: just say yes
[08:26] <aroman> how can I make ubuntu not load a module at boot? more specifically the 'pcspkr' module
[08:26] <jason__> sposed to work with hostap drivers
[08:27] <thoreauputic> aroman: add it to th ehotplug blacklist
[08:27] <jason__> I havent been successful yet
[08:27] <aroman> thoreauputic, how can I do that?
[08:27] <thoreauputic>  /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:27] <chrismurf> does anyone here have ndiswrapper working with hoary?
[08:27] <aroman> thanks
[08:27] <thoreauputic> put it in there
[08:28] <ZellSF> how do you use sudo to gain root access?
[08:28] <ZellSF> (permamently)
[08:28] <thoreauputic> sudo -s
[08:28] <thoreauputic> gives you a shell
[08:28] <thoreauputic> exit when done
[08:28] <thoreauputic> or ctrl-D
[08:28] <ZellSF> ok, thanks
[08:29] <tritium> sudo -s -H is nice too
[08:29] <thoreauputic> ah - what does the -H do, tritium?
[08:30] <jason___> heh a kernel update must of fixed my problem, now my wireless works
[08:30] <cyklus> what CD burning software do you recommend?
[08:30] <carajea1> can someone help me mount my second harddrive?
[08:31] <jason___> carajea1: sure
[08:31] <Stinky_Taco> trying to unpack a .tar.gz , Anyone know the name of the unpackageing GUI for Gnome? is it just nautalis, or is there a seperate unpacking utility? I am in XFce is why I need to know command, TIA :)
[08:31] <jason___> carajea1: what kind of partition?
[08:31] <tritium> thoreauputic, sets $HOME to root's home dir
[08:32] <tritium> man sudo ;)
[08:32] <carajea1> um i dont really know
[08:32] <carajea1> its a 60 gig hard drive that is a backup of my music
[08:32] <tritium> carajea1, is it ide?
[08:32] <carajea1> yeah
[08:32] <tritium> fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[08:32] <tritium> use sudo
[08:33] <bestadvocate> i just had a nervous breakdown. i need a headdoctor
[08:33] <Stinky_Taco> fdisk -l /dev/hdb will this let me see my windows partition?
[08:33] <tritium> no
[08:33] <carajea1> ok thanks i just switched from mandrake 10.1
[08:33] <Stinky_Taco> ok :)
[08:33] <tritium> Stinky_Taco, it will list the partitions on /dev/hdb
[08:33] <Stinky_Taco> think I got to get captive NTFS before reading windows partition
[08:33] <tritium> it won't mount them or anything
[08:33] <Stinky_Taco> Ok :)
[08:34] <carajea1> ok we need to mount
[08:34] <carajea1> it sais cannot open /dev/hdb
[08:34] <tritium> carajea1, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[08:35] <carajea1> ok i think it worked but how do i find out
[08:35] <tritium> what did it say?
[08:35] <carajea1> Disk /dev/hdb: 61.4 GB, 61492838400 bytes
[08:35] <carajea1> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7476 cylinders
[08:35] <carajea1> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[08:35] <carajea1>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[08:35] <carajea1> /dev/hdb1   *           1        7476    60050938+  83  Linux
[08:36] <bestadvocate> im going  to go then
[08:36] <carajea1> did that mount it?
[08:36] <tritium> okay.  Do you recall what filesystem you were using on Mandrake?
[08:36] <tritium> no, just listed it
[08:37] <carajea1> no i dont
[08:37] <tritium> was it ext3?
[08:37] <carajea1> yeah
[08:37] <carajea1> i believe so
[08:37] <zenrox> tritium,  it has to be ext3
[08:37] <tritium> do you have a mount point set up?
[08:37] <carajea1> nope
[08:37] <tritium> zenrox, Mandrake doesn't support reiserfs or any other
[08:37] <tritium> ?
[08:38] <zenrox> no it does support outher file systems
[08:38] <zenrox> just ext3 is the default
[08:38] <wasabi> Has anybody put any work into running Xen on Ubuntu?
[08:38] <tritium> wow
[08:38] <tritium> carajea1, where do you want to mount it?  (What directory)
[08:39] <carajea1> i want  it to be separate any directory will do
[08:39] <cyklus> can anyone recommend a cd burning app?
[08:39] <zenrox> carajea1, then do a sudo mkdir /mnt/name.of.dir.you.wand.here
[08:40] <carajea1> ok
[08:40] <zenrox> cyklus, k3b
[08:40] <carajea1> does ubuntu do /home?
[08:40] <tritium> carajea1, then mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb3 /your-mount-dir-here
[08:40] <cyklus> zenrox: will it run in gnome?
[08:40] <zenrox> cyklus, yes
[08:40] <tritium> carajea1, removable media is mounted under /media
[08:40] <tritium> carajea1, you might mount this one under /mnt
[08:41] <tritium> carajea1, finally, you'll want to edit /etc/fstab so that you don't have to do this manually all the time
[08:42] <wdh> "dcop kwin KWinInterface setCurrentDesktop 1" << In KDE this allows one to switch to desktop 1 on a CLI.. does anyone know how to perform the same thing in Gnome??
[08:42] <ZellSF> What is the command for upgrading ubuntu?
[08:42] <carajea1> sudo mkdir /mnt/drive2
[08:42] <carajea1> is that directory ok
[08:42] <zenrox> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:43] <tritium> that's fie
[08:43] <carajea1> ??
[08:43] <tritium> fine
[08:43] <tritium> carajea1, you're in control :)
[08:43] <thenuke> zenrox: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:43] <carajea1> sudo  mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb3 /drive2
[08:43] <carajea1> mount: mount point /drive2 does not exist
[08:43] <carajea1> thats what i get
[08:43] <tritium> you forgot the /mnt in front
[08:43] <zenrox> too true thenuke
[08:43] <thenuke> zenrox: zenrox or use synaptic to do that
[08:43] <carajea1> oh ok lol
[08:44] <ZellSF> I'm logged in via SSH
[08:44] <Hannes_> bluetooth stopped working in hoary?
[08:44] <thenuke> oh I was talking to the wrong person but does not matter
[08:44] <dale_gribble> does anyone have any experience installing ubuntu 64 bit on an asus k8vse deluxe software raid, dual booting with windows?
[08:44] <zenrox> ZellSF,  use thenukes ver
[08:44] <ZellSF> I can't use synaptic.
[08:44] <wdh> ZellSF, what nuke said :)
[08:44] <Hannes_> it has worked before
[08:44] <carajea1>  special device /dev/hdb3 does not exist
[08:44] <Hannes_> now it can't find the device
[08:44] <wdh> ZellSF, 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:44] <ZellSF> Yeah, doing that now, downloading 400MB now :P
[08:44] <carajea1> fix one thing and somethin else is wrong
[08:44] <tritium> carajea1, hdb1
[08:44] <zenrox> carajea1, /dev/hdb1
[08:44] <ZellSF> :)
[08:45] <thenuke> zenrox: and you must be root to do that, so do first sudo -s  or use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:45] <zenrox> lol
[08:45] <zenrox> the ambuguis sudo
[08:45] <carajea1> cool it worked
[08:45] <tritium> carajea1, great.  Now you'll probably want to setup your /etc/fstab
[08:46] <thenuke> ambuguis?
[08:46] <carajea1> yeah im there now
[08:46] <carajea1> so far i got this
[08:47] <zenrox> thenuke sorry cant spell
[08:47] <carajea1> im stuck at the options and dump pass part
[08:47] <thenuke> zenrox: no problem with that :) but I just have no glue what word you mis spelled :)
[08:47] <zenrox> thenuke and i cant even spell it
[08:47] <zenrox> lol
[08:47] <thenuke> zenrox: ah, ok :)
[08:48] <zenrox> hehe
[08:48] <carajea1> what do i put in the options part
[08:48] <thenuke> ambiguous! :) google helped me :)
[08:48] <carajea1> ??
[08:48] <tritium> carajea1, 0 0 most likely
[08:48] <thenuke> now I have to find out what that does mean =)
[08:48] <zenrox> lol
[08:48] <zenrox> yep thats it thenuke
[08:48] <tritium> carajea1, for dump and pass
[08:48] <tritium> for options, you might want rw,user
[08:49] <carajea1> ok cool
[08:49] <tritium> I assume you don't want noauto
[08:49] <carajea1> maybe maybe not dont know what it does
[08:49] <tritium> it means it won't be auto-mounted
[08:50] <cyklus> how do i get gnomebaker? ...dont seem to be able to install it with apt-get?
[08:50] <carajea1> oh no i'll pass on that
[08:50] <carajea1> where is openoffice at i cant find it
[08:50] <tritium> It's in main
[08:51] <tritium> you should be able to get it
[08:51] <carajea1> E45: 'readonly' option is set (add ! to override)
[08:51] <tritium> in fact, it's installed by default, I believe
[08:51] <carajea1> that what i get when i do :wq to save the file
[08:51] <carajea1> is that not correct?
[08:51] <tritium> carajea1, you didn't edit that with sudo
[08:51] <carajea1> oh man forgot
[08:52] <tritium> openoffice.org should be under Applications->Office
[08:53] <carajea1> ok i found it thanks a bunch now i have java and nvidia drivers so i can play world or warcraft
[08:53] <tritium> great
[08:53] <carajea1> yeah lot of fu
[08:53] <carajea1> fun
[08:54] <tritium> nvidia can be installed in ubuntu natively, you know
[08:54] <dale_gribble> when i try to install the 64 bit ubuntu, it goes to a screen for formatting the harddrive and says that its going to have to write to the disk for my software raid.  will it overwrite my windows partition?
[08:54] <carajea1> no i didnt know how can i do that im kinda new to ubunut
[08:54] <tritium> i.e., modules and .debs are available
[08:54] <tritium> carajea1, http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[08:55] <tritium> carajea1, you're using Warty, right?
[08:55] <farruinn> dale_gribble: most likely yes
[08:55] <dale_gribble> doh :(
[08:57] <mando> does anyone have a current/semi-current mono development env working under ubuntu?
[08:57] <tritium> carajea1, I'm about to get going.  Any last questions?
[08:58] <qm> gatta reboot
[08:58] <qm> take care
[09:00] <tritium> carajea1, final suggestion:  build your own java .deb using java-package
[09:00] <markuman> i've problems with hoary amd64 kernel.
[09:00] <markuman> Konnte http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz nicht holen  404 Not Found
[09:01] <markuman> he could not find packages for amd64
[09:01] <farruinn> um... why are you using a debian repository?
[09:01] <markuman> is it wrong?
[09:02] <markuman> ok, i try it only with ubuntu
[09:02] <cab1`> hello
[09:03] <cab1`> i was wondering if it would be a good idea to install linux as a server pc on a LAN with both windows and Mac computers on
[09:03] <cab1`> any help would be greatly appreciated
[09:04] <tritium> carajea1, here's the executive summary for making your own java package: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1107188236/view?searchterm=java
[09:04] <thoreauputic> cab1`: samba can handle linux and mac, so yeah, why not?
[09:04] <thenuke> ARR.. Grub error 18
[09:04] <cab1`> so yes, ubuntu will work
[09:04] <cab1`> ive never used linux for more than 10minutes, but am a mac user
[09:04] <markuman> what have i type in my apt/source.list for installing wine?
[09:04] <cab1`> i have downloaded ubuntu
[09:05] <markuman> i've delete the debian src. now
[09:05] <cab1`> is it difficult to set up a server?
[09:05] <cab1`> on linux
[09:05] <thenuke> cab1`: like what server?
[09:05] <cab1`> or will i figure it out
[09:05] <thoreauputic> cab1`: well, in that case you need to read a bit about config for samba I'd say
[09:05] <thenuke> cab1`: usually it is not hard to set up some normal servers
[09:05] <cab1`> just a LAN server so i can share an inet connection and conenct the various pcs
[09:05] <cab1`> just a plain server that does nothing
[09:06] <tritium> bye
[09:06] <cab1`> just a gateway server
[09:06] <cab1`> set ip, and subnet and thahts it
[09:06] <cab1`> drivers is what im stressing bout
[09:06] <cab1`> dont have drivers for my hub
[09:06] <Tomcat_> cab1`: Routing via NAT is a bit tricky, but doable with good HOWTOs... servers are easy.
[09:07] <thenuke> should not be too hard, never done that by self, but I know that there just must be A LOT of documentation and howtos about that in the net :)
[09:07] <cab1`> ill go have a look
[09:07] <thoreauputic> the firestarter app will set up NAT very easily
[09:08] <markuman> what are you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:08] <markuman> ?
[09:08] <cab1`> firestarter , where can i get that?
[09:08] <thenuke> markuman: :o about same thing what you do have?
[09:08] <thoreauputic> cab1`: it's in the ubuntu repositories
[09:08] <thoreauputic> "universe" I think
[09:09] <thenuke> markuman: some uncomment the lines which have the words 'universe' in them to get some more packages available
[09:09] <thoreauputic> cab1`: I suggest youi read the links in the /topic first
[09:09] <markuman> thenuke: i have deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe , but don't find wine.
[09:10] <markuman> and yes, i have mad apt-get update
[09:10] <tritium> markuman, wine on winehq.com is newer
[09:10] <LinuxJones> markuman, that's the security repo
[09:10] <cab1`> cool, thanks, gna give it a bash tonyt
[09:10] <cab1`> if it dont work, ill just put windows 2003 server back on
[09:10] <markuman> LinuxJones, and what instead of security?
[09:10] <LinuxJones> markuman, your looking for the one that starts with deb and doesn't have security in it
[09:10] <tritium> markuman, check this out: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[09:11] <thoreauputic> cab1`: if you have zero linux experience, read up first on ubuntulinux.org
[09:11] <cab1`> thnx for the help
[09:11] <cab1`> cheers
[09:11] <vi11e> hey is mplayer and codecs in repositories ?
[09:12] <tidalwav1> hi, all--what package needs to be apt-getted to install kernel sources?
[09:12] <farruinn> linux-source I believe
[09:12] <tritium> linux-source-#
[09:12] <Vjaz> vi11e, most probably not
[09:12] <tidalwav1> okay :)
[09:13] <tritium> vi11e, see ubuntuguide.org
[09:13] <thoreauputic> vi11e: you need the marillat debian repos
[09:13] <markuman> LinuxJones, i don't understand. http://deb.ubuntu.com/ hoary universe doesn't work
[09:13] <tritium> tidalwav1, are you in need of custom-built kernel modules?
[09:14] <markuman> oh
[09:14] <farruinn> markuman: I think he means deb http://archive.ubuntu...
[09:14] <tritium> markuman, did you see the URL I sent you?
[09:14] <vi11e> hmm I think I have them... all in all, is mplayer as easy to set up as xmms and xine and others if I have the marillat repos?
[09:14] <LinuxJones> markuman, the line should look like this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[09:15] <tidalwav1> tritium, nope--trying to compile ndiswrapper from source
[09:15] <tidalwav1> and it needs kernel sources
[09:15] <markuman> ok, thx.
[09:15] <tritium> tidalwav1, oh, you only need linux-headers in that case
[09:16] <tidalwav1> oh, okay
[09:16] <tidalwav1> instead of linux-source?
[09:17] <tritium> yeah
[09:17] <tritium> just match linux-headers to the same version as your kernel
[09:17] <tidalwav1> okay
[09:17] <tidalwav1> thanks
[09:17] <tidalwav1> I'll try that
[09:17] <tritium> and remember that the config file for your kernel is in /boot
[09:18] <tritium> markuman, are you looking for wine?
[09:21] <markuman> tritium, not only. i have now amd64, and i have some problems with the amd64 kernel
[09:22] <jacquesmerde> hello party people, put yo hand in da ay-air
[09:22] <vi11e> hey does mplayer come with some gui if I install mplayer from the marillat repos thoreauputic ?
[09:22] <LinuxJones> vi11e, gmplayer ?
[09:22] <tritium> markuman, okay.  The winehq link I sent you is only for i386
[09:22] <Snipper__> hey
[09:23] <vi11e> hmm, soI install mplayer and gmplayer and it will automatically open mplayer in gmplayer if I run gmplayer or how?
[09:23] <tritium> But the newer wine + winetools is great
[09:23] <Snipper__> any one know how to install MS TT FOnts on GNOME?
[09:23] <ompaul> it is my job to install ubuntu (warty) for my father in law in the morning :) he has only got dialup :( I want to install lots of documentation, is there a iso or some such I could download and install from so that he would have the docs before he went anywhere ?
[09:23] <markuman> tritium, where i get it for amd64? or do you now a few apt sources for amd64 tolls/prog
[09:23] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[09:23] <tritium> Snipper_, put them in ~/.fonts
[09:24] <markuman> tritium, i have read about new wine version, with directX9 support
[09:24] <ompaul> btw our phone system demands payment on a timed unit basis
[09:24] <tritium> Snipper_, or drag and drop into the Fonts folder when using the capplet
[09:24] <zenrox> ompaul, on the dialup make shure he dont have a winmodem
[09:24] <Snipper__> tritium: wud that be, /home/USER/.fonts?
[09:24] <tritium> markuman, not sure about amd64
[09:24] <jacquesmerde> woah, why didnt a dist-upgrade to hoary put me in array5 land? i feel like i'm living in the stone age....beam me up, scotty!
[09:24] <tritium> Snipper_, yes
[09:24] <tritium> Snipper_, or open your Font Preferences
[09:24] <ompaul> zenrox, thanks for that - I will be getting an external serial modem
[09:24] <Snipper__> tritium: Cheerz mate
[09:24] <zenrox> ompaul, good
[09:24] <vi11e> LinuxJones I install mplayer and gmplayer and it will automatically open
[09:25] <tritium> Snipper_, then Details->Go to font folder
[09:25] <zenrox> ompaul, just so you dont have to go tharu the hassels of winmodems
[09:25] <LinuxJones> vi11e, in console type gmplayer and it should open the gui mplayer front end
[09:25] <ompaul> zenrox, modprobe is not my friend :)
[09:25] <vi11e> alright, I could try
[09:25] <zenrox> lol
[09:26] <tritium> Snipper_, :)
[09:26] <jacquesmerde> will some give me a lift to array5 land? i've lost my streetmap and i dont know how to get there without an array5 ise
[09:26] <jacquesmerde> *iso
[09:26] <tritium> jacquesmerde, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-5/
[09:26] <ompaul> ahh feck
[09:27] <tritium> ahh merde
[09:27] <ompaul> tritium, oui
[09:27] <tritium> ompaul, what happened/
[09:27] <tritium> ?
[09:28] <jacquesmerde> tritium, you serious? is that the only way? when i installed array5 off that iso it gave me no sound....
[09:28] <ompaul> I saw the array five and now I have to go and build that for torrent :)
[09:28] <tritium> oh, sorry ;)
[09:29] <vi11e> LinuxJones: how about the codecs, I once installed the codecs as suggested at ubuntuguide, do they work in mplayer automatically?
[09:29] <ompaul> tritium,  thinks maybe I will just offer warty for the parts of the weekend I am online
[09:29] <izmaelis> how to catch keycode of laptop special buttons? email, browser, help etc...
[09:29] <vi11e> hmm I think it installed some codecs on the way
[09:29] <jacquesmerde> tritium, there must be anothe way... show me a manual to rtfm, show me a secret repo, show me the way to san jose, just dont make me install that cursed .iso
[09:29] <josue> hey
[09:29] <Tomcat_> izmaelis: Press them, then check /var/log/syslog... it's tell you.
[09:29] <Tomcat_> it'll tell you :o
[09:30] <izmaelis> ok, I shall check it
[09:30] <izmaelis> xev didn't show me any output
[09:30] <tritium> ompaul, aww...
[09:30] <Tomcat_> izmaelis: When I press the WLAN key on this lappy, syslog gets a few messages... :o
[09:30] <tritium> jacquesmerde, what's wrong with the .torrents?
[09:31] <vi11e> LinuxJones: hmm, where can I find the packages for gmplayer? not find with "gmplayer" at least
[09:31] <tritium> jacquesmerde, so do you want array-5?  you asked for it, but now it seems like you don't want it
[09:32] <izmaelis> Tomcat_,  localhost kernel: atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x9e on isa0060/serio0).
[09:32] <ompaul> tritium, what is really wrong for me with that is this, I can't find the hoary links from the front page of the site - it is not obvious to me .. .and I have been using FOSS as a desktop for over 10 years now
[09:32] <jacquesmerde> tritium, oh its not the torrents. for some reason when i installed array5 my computer lost the ability to make sound. so i installed warty again, and distupgraded to hoary. i'm just curious why i dont have array5? i thought array5 was just a snapshot of what dist-upgrade and upgrade would give you....
[09:33] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you don't need array-5 if you have dist-upgraded to Hoary
[09:34] <jacquesmerde> i DID dist-upgrade to hoary, but my system isnt looking hoary-ish at all
[09:34] <tritium> ompaul, that's okay.  The cdimage.ubuntu.com URL is not listed on the main page anywhere, at least not in a conspicuous place
[09:37] <ompaul> tritium, there is no torrent edition there afic see
[09:37] <tritium> ompaul, scroll down
[09:38] <jacquesmerde> tritium, when i had array5, i had a torrent client in my internet folder, cd's mounted and iconified on the desktop, my multimedia folder had a something & something name, how do i get that stuff back?
[09:38] <ompaul> tritium, iso jigdo list template is all i can see
[09:39] <Xappe> well now, this is weird. my xmms dies when it goes to the next song in the playlist. god I hate polypaudio so far...
[09:39] <tritium> ompaul, scroll down all the way?
[09:39] <tritium> jacquesmerde, sounds like something didn't fully upgrade
[09:40] <ompaul> tritium, as far as I can get :)  Apache/2.1.2 (Ubuntu) Server at cdimage.ubuntu.com Port 80
[09:40] <tritium> jacquesmerde, have you subsequently done updates, upgrade, and dist-upgrades?
[09:40] <jacquesmerde> yup
[09:40] <tritium> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-5/ ?
[09:40] <tritium> jacquesmerde, is ubuntu-desktop installed?
[09:41] <jacquesmerde> tritium, its probably for the best better, i'm like a kitten, always giving up too much stability for something bright and shiny
[09:41] <tritium> heh
[09:41] <tritium> ompaul, what architecture do you want?  live or intall?
[09:41] <jacquesmerde> ooh, tritium, can you tell me something i reaaaaaaaly want to know? you have NEVER disappointed me yet! (well, only sexually....)
[09:41] <tritium> intsall
[09:41] <ompaul> tritium, okay did that - missed a trick :-/ missed the "live" cd so that has been activated
[09:42] <tritium> jacquesmerde, what is it?
[09:42] <shadeofgrey> this is so sad
[09:42] <tritium> what is?
[09:43] <jacquesmerde> tritium, ubuntu is the first distro i've ever used which has worked with my wifi card (linksys wmp11) right out of the box, most of the time i have to install a wlan-ng package to make it work, but ubuntu works it with an oronico.o module? HOW does it do THAT?
[09:43] <shadeofgrey> i satyed up late last night, finally got synaptic running, downloaDED XMMS - ran it once, and now this morning it wont run at all
[09:43] <ompaul> tritium, thanks for that
[09:43] <shadeofgrey> i can click on the icons and it makes the 'im running noise' but nothing happens
[09:44] <tritium> ompaul, sure thing
[09:44] <shadeofgrey> i think ubuntu hates me
[09:44] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I don't know what the other distros are doing, except debian.  I also have orinoco cards, and they work with debian as well.
[09:44] <jacquesmerde> tritium, btw, when ugprading stuff, and it asks me whether i want a new config file or keep the old one, do i just select the default, "no"?
[09:45] <jesuel> yeah, im fighting with my wireless card :(
[09:45] <tritium> jacquesmerde, if you've custom-configured, usually.  e.g. if you set up a printer in cups, don't upgrade your printers.conf
[09:45] <jacquesmerde> tritium, but is mine is NOT an oronico card. its a prism2.5 card, and wlan-ng gets it working with a prism2_pci module
[09:45] <jesuel> stupid broadcom :(
[09:45] <tritium> jacquesmerde, there are a few different modules that work
[09:45] <jesuel> This laptop is just a evil thing
[09:46] <shadeofgrey> aldo
[09:46] <shadeofgrey> how do you shut down the xserver so that i can instaall the nvidia drivers?
[09:46] <jacquesmerde> tritium, but if i havent changed any conf files myself, is ubuntu just trying to give me a new conf file its improved on with the newer package?
[09:46] <tritium> jacquesmerde, yeah, if you've not configured, go ahead and install the new ones
[09:46] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, what it means is that the driver fits the hardware, now the reason for this is most likely that the "magic" chips are the same on your card and the oronico card
[09:46] <jacquesmerde> tritium, you mean with my card? i would LOVE to know the best way to get my wifi card working, i've given up on a LOT of distros i'd love to try because i cant get it to play with my wifi card
[09:47] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: sudo /tc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:48] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: sorry /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:48] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you'd want to bind orinoco_cs, or whichever module is working for you, to the card you're using
[09:48] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, well a lot of distro's seem to THINK my card is orinco compatible, load the oronico.o module, but it never works. my suspicion is that ubuntu (or someone before them) has patched the oronico.o module to make it work with my card...
[09:48] <thoreauputic> sub restart to restart (or just start)
[09:49] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you said the other distros used prism2_pci
[09:49] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, or they (other distros) are broken in other places and commonly broken if you understand my drift but I would not know
[09:49] <jacquesmerde> tritium, yup, but that module comes from linux-wlan-ng, its not native to the kernel
[09:50] <cristiano_e> hi guys
[09:50] <cristiano_e> need a quick help
[09:50] <cristiano_e> i'm on an ubuntu live
[09:50] <jacquesmerde> tritium, ompaul, i'm prepared to spend plenty of time looking into this, i just want to know where i should be looking...
[09:50] <cristiano_e> and i need to copy some files on a floppy
[09:50] <ompaul> cristiano_e, to where?
[09:50] <cristiano_e> but ubuntu looks like it can't find the floppy!
[09:51] <tritium> jacquesmerde, then on these other distros, change the pcmcia config
[09:51] <cristiano_e> ompaul i need to copy them on a floppy
[09:51] <jacquesmerde> pcmcia? whats that got to do with anything?
[09:51] <tritium> jacquesmerde, take a look in /etc/pcmcia/config
[09:51] <ompaul> cristiano_e, from where to where?
[09:51] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you said it was a card?
[09:51] <tritium> pcmcia or not?
[09:51] <carajea1> ok im havin trouble installing cedega and point2play
[09:51] <carajea1> ??
[09:51] <cristiano_e> ompaul from the desktop to a floppy
[09:51] <shadeofgrey> anybody feel like helping me with my Xmms problems
[09:51] <jacquesmerde> its pci
[09:51] <thoreauputic> cristiano_e: in a terminal, try     dd if=yourfile of=/dev/fd0
[09:52] <tritium> jacquesmerde, okay, mine are pcmcia
[09:52] <cristiano_e> thoreauputic i didn't understand what to write
[09:52] <jacquesmerde> actually, at the moment tritium, i have a more pressing question. i think its quite common though
[09:52] <carajea1> ok how to install a prog. for some reason it wont dpkg
[09:52] <cristiano_e> however it looks like Ubuntu live isn't mounting my floppy!
[09:53] <tritium> carajea1, dpkg -i <package>
[09:53] <thoreauputic> cristiano_e: from the directory containing the file you want to put on floppy,  type   dd if=yourfile of=/dev/fd0
[09:53] <abelli> hi there..
[09:53] <ompaul> cristiano_e, cat /etc/fstab and see what it calls the floppy
[09:53] <ompaul> cristiano_e, then mount it
[09:53] <carajea1> i tried that
[09:53] <abelli> is there any burning app apart k3b in warty?
[09:54] <jacquesmerde> i just tried another dist-upgrade, tritium, it upgraded a few packages, then said "errors were encountered while processing synaptic, aptitude and ubuntu desktop. then i tried to sudo aptitude dist-upgrade again, and it said, aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:54] <jacquesmerde> michael@ubuntu:~ $
[09:54] <tritium> I use graveman, but it's only in Hoary
[09:54] <tritium> jacquesmerde, try apt-get -f install
[09:54] <abelli> tritium: yeah i know
[09:54] <abelli> ...thx
[09:54] <jesuel> abelli: gtoaster is decent for cdburning
[09:54] <ompaul> abelli, there is this fantastic program called cdrecord start with cdrecord -scanbus then
[09:54] <cristiano_e> # UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM
[09:54] <cristiano_e> # Added by Morphix
[09:54] <cristiano_e> /dev/cloop0 /mnt/cloop0 auto noauto,users,exec 0 0
[09:54] <cristiano_e> # Added by Morphix
[09:54] <cristiano_e> /dev/hde /mnt/hde auto noauto,users,exec 0 0
[09:54] <thoreauputic> abelli:  try gnomebaker from: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[09:54] <cristiano_e> /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 auto noauto,users,exec,umask=000,uid=warty 0 0
[09:54] <cristiano_e> this is my fstab
[09:55] <cristiano_e> i can't find anything related to my floppy
[09:55] <abelli> thx everybody
[09:55] <jacquesmerde> tritium, what does -f switch do again. i've seen it before. i know apt-get install fixes it. i just want to know what goes wrong
[09:55] <thoreauputic> abelli: that url has debs for warty and hoary
[09:55] <tritium> abelli, if -scanbus doesn't work, try dev=ATA: -scanbus, or dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[09:55] <jesuel> jacquesmerde: -f = force i believe.
[09:56] <tritium> jacquesmerde, --fix-broken
[09:56] <tritium> -f is the same thing
[09:56] <tritium> man apt-get
[09:56] <ompaul> cristiano_e, that may give some clue, it appears the machine has not seen your floppy drive for whatever reason
[09:56] <abelli> tritium: thank you, its not a problem of mine.. is just a friend..
[09:56] <Panzerboy> hmm
[09:56] <tidalwav1> I'm back
[09:56] <jacquesmerde> yeah, i'm ahead of you on the "man", tritium. i love man. though info makes me want to suck my thumb and cry for my mummy
[09:56] <Panzerboy> security problems in gaim 1.1.2
[09:56] <tritium> abelli, okay.  Good luck to him
[09:56] <abelli> and i didnt remembar what burning gui did warty had
[09:56] <tidalwav1> I'm the idiot that asked linux kernel headers--now I can't get ndiswrapper to work
[09:57] <cristiano_e> ompaul it's quite strange coz the floppy is working fine...i have it as my first boot drive
[09:57] <tritium> mummy?  heh, how Egyptian
[09:57] <ompaul> cristiano_e, that sucks - what I suggest is that you ftp it to a web directory and back down onto the other platform
[09:57] <jacquesmerde> tritium, i bet you once this -f install has finished, i'll boot back into my system, and have NO sound
[09:57] <tidalwav1> I'm on the internet on my Windows box...I installed the driver into ndiswrapper for my USB wireless adapter, and ndiswrapper recognizes the device, but iwconfig does nt
[09:57] <tidalwav1> anyone know why?
[09:58] <cristiano_e> i don't have another platform avaible :(((((((
[09:58] <tidalwav1> ndiswrapper -l says netprism | driver present
[09:58] <tidalwav1> |hardware present
[09:58] <jesuel> tidalwav1: ndiswrapper -m
[09:58] <tidalwav1> isn't that the same as typing modprobe ndiswrapper one time though?
[09:58] <tritium> jacquesmerde, could be.
[09:58] <ompaul> cristiano_e, mail it to yourself on a gmail or some such account
[09:59] <tritium> I'm not betting.  Too many problems with polypaudio right now.
[09:59] <ompaul> cristiano_e, then you can go about fixing the problem without pain
[09:59] <zenrox> polypaudio works just fine for me
[09:59] <cristiano_e> ompaul ok but i can't get it so, i have only ubuntu live on my pc now, i have to install windows xp but i need this floppy to do so
[09:59] <tidalwav1> jesuel: isn't ndiswrapper -m like going modprobe ndiswrapper, but on boot?
[09:59] <Xappe> zenrox, i don't want to hear that ;)
[10:00] <zenrox> lol
[10:00] <Xappe> mine is a mess
[10:00] <jacquesmerde> tritium, ooh, i STILL have sound. i'm gonna reboot ubuntu and see if this is still so
[10:00] <jesuel> tidalwav1: i think its actually different, the -m creates the modprobe entry right it seems. Or at least thats how it worked for m3e
[10:00] <ompaul> cristiano_e, do you not have a mail account with web access?
[10:01] <carajea1> can some one help i tried to install a prog and got this error
[10:01] <carajea1> shicara@carajean:~/downloads $ sudo dpkg -i Point2Play_1.3.2_i386.deb
[10:01] <carajea1> Password:
[10:01] <carajea1> dpkg: error processing Point2Play_1.3.2_i386.deb (--install):
[10:01] <carajea1>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:01] <carajea1> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:01] <carajea1>  Point2Play_1.3.2_i386.deb
[10:01] <carajea1> shicara@carajean:~/downloads $
[10:01] <thoreauputic> carajea1: #flood
[10:02] <carajea1> oh srry
[10:02] <tritium> for some of us, the polyp is malignant.  I guess for zenrox, it is benign
[10:03] <carajea1> if someone will go to flood and look at that i would be very happy
[10:03] <carajea1> i dont know why i cant install this prog
[10:03] <jacquesmerde> tritium, YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. i'm all array5'ed, AND i have sound! man, ubuntu can't be a chick. no chick is THIS hot and THIS low maintenance (pardon my occasional misogyny)
[10:04] <ompaul> tritium, that torrent is the lowest I ever saw - 2kb up and 7kb down - I am just about ahead of the game
[10:04] <tritium> jacquesmerde, good deal!
[10:04] <zenrox> lol @ tritium
[10:04] <tritium> :)
[10:05] <tritium> ompaul, I've seen good days and bad days with the torrents
[10:05] <ompaul> tritium, there is that :)
[10:05] <jacquesmerde> tritium, oh wait, cd player is giving me no sound
[10:05] <tritium> jacquesmerde, hah!
[10:05] <tritium> :)
[10:06] <cristiano_e> damn i need the floppy!!!!:'((((((
[10:06] <tritium> cristiano_e, is the module loaded?
[10:06] <cristiano_e> i think so
[10:06] <cristiano_e> i'm using ubuntu live
[10:06] <bassinboy> cristiano_e: /quit and /exit were in a boat. /quit fell out, who was left?
[10:07] <tritium> lsmod | grep floppy to check.  modprobe floppy to load it either way
[10:07] <tidalwav1> okay, I did ndiswrapper -m and nothing works, still
[10:07] <jacquesmerde> tritium, this WILL not stand. i WILL be like cliff richard. i WILL be wired for sound!
[10:07] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you're running polypaudio now?
[10:07] <jacquesmerde> yup
[10:07] <tritium> it seems to be fixable on a per-session basis
[10:08] <jacquesmerde> though last time i had no sound, i couldnt even play .wav's and got no system sound, but now that part is fine
[10:08] <jacquesmerde> tritium, crimsum's trick?
[10:08] <carajea1> hey anyone know why rhythm box wotn show my mp3's
[10:08] <carajea1> or why xmms wont appear??
[10:08] <tritium> jacquesmerde, hey, my trick too ;)
[10:08] <cristiano_e> tritium module floppy not found
[10:09] <tidalwav1> anyone know a lot about ndiswrapper? :P
[10:09] <tritium> cristiano_e, you're kidding
[10:10] <cristiano_e> nope
[10:10] <cristiano_e> i'll try with another live distribution
[10:10] <carajea1> do i need to create a repositories?
[10:10] <tritium> what LiveCD are you using?
[10:10] <ZellSF> Can you get Rhythmbox to ignore txt files?
[10:10] <cristiano_e> ubuntu livecd
[10:10] <tritium> which version?  Warty?  Array 5?
[10:10] <cristiano_e> warty
[10:11] <tritium> that doesn't make much sense
[10:11] <cristiano_e> i try now with another distro
[10:11] <cristiano_e> c ya later guys
[10:11] <thoreauputic> cristiano_e: if it makes you feel any better, the live ubuntu CD was broken for me too (the install disk worked fine)
[10:11] <tritium> I'm sure the warty livecd has the floppy module
[10:12] <bassinboy>  /quit and /exit were in a boat. /quit fell out, who was left?
[10:12] <Xappe> even budweiser isn't that bad compared to the present polypaudio hell
[10:12] <aburlet> bassinboy: never heard that stupid joke, but like it ;)
[10:13] <thoreauputic> carajea1: enable universe, then install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:13] <bassinboy> aburlet: lol
[10:13] <tritium> bassinboy, :)
[10:13] <cryan> okay look
[10:13] <cryan> i need help with xmms
[10:13] <tidalwav1> cryan: what's the problem
[10:13] <tritium> tidalwav1, if I ever used ndiswrapper, I'd try to help
[10:14] <cryan> tida:  okay.  i selected all its packages in synaptiuc..  it installed them all with no errors\
[10:14] <tidalwav1> tritum, well, thanks anyway ;)
[10:14] <tidalwav1> cryan: okay
[10:14] <cryan> now... i went into applications menu and xmms was there but it had no icon.  i clicked on it and nothing happened
[10:14] <tidalwav1> hmm
[10:14] <tidalwav1> first try apt-get install xmms
[10:14] <cryan> i figured, okay, ill restart and it'll be happy
[10:14] <tidalwav1> which is what you should have done originally
[10:15] <cryan> okqay handg on
[10:15] <tidalwav1> okay
[10:15] <jacquesmerde> tritium, man, i AM wired for sound.
[10:15] <ompaul> cryan, apt-get install xmms*
[10:15] <aburlet> is there a tool to centrally manage many ubuntu workstations ?
[10:15] <tritium> jacquesmerde, meaning?
[10:15] <ompaul> cryan, do the asterix :)
[10:15] <carajea1> ok where is synaotic located?
[10:16] <aburlet> carajea1: which synaptic
[10:16] <carajea1> the one where i can download prog and updates
[10:16] <carajea1> i can install any multimedia packages
[10:16] <aburlet> carajea1: in a terminal, do "which synaptic"
[10:16] <carajea1> i cant*
[10:16] <jacquesmerde> tritium, wait, just to be sure, i'm gonna reboot my computer and THEN see if i'm still wired for sound. i just installed "53 updates" from that wierd updates thing up the top right, that might have barfed my sound
[10:16] <cryan> ..holy cow
[10:17] <cryan> terminal is having an anyurism
[10:17] <ompaul> cryan what cow
[10:17] <cryan> its downloading a lot of crap
[10:17] <carajea1> it said /usr/sbin/synaptic
[10:17] <thoreauputic> carajea1: computer -> system configuration-> synaptic package manager
[10:17] <tidalwav1> cryan: it's okay
[10:17] <cryan> and kde libraries
[10:17] <tidalwav1> :P
[10:17] <aburlet> carajea1: so you now know where synaptic is ... what do you really meant ?
[10:17] <ompaul> carajea1, that is where it lives
[10:17] <cryan> eww!  kde loose on my harddisk
[10:18] <cryan> get it off!  get it off!
[10:18] <cryan> kde is the devil
[10:18] <carajea1> ok i just want to know how to run it
[10:18] <cryan> or at least his second cousin
[10:18] <carajea1> where it is located at on the menu
[10:18] <ompaul> carajea1, that is the command line for it
[10:18] <tidalwav1> cryan: calm down, it'll be okay
[10:18] <tidalwav1> lol
[10:18] <aburlet> so see what thoreauputic  said
[10:19] <thoreauputic> carajea1: computer -> system configuration-> synaptic package manager
[10:19] <aburlet> right
[10:19] <josue> hey ppl
[10:19] <josue> i need to rip a dvd to my hdd
[10:19] <josue> any good programs?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> carajea1: that's on warty
[10:19] <aburlet> josue: I used dvd::rip at the time
[10:19] <tidalwav1> you could try smartripper running under wine :p
[10:19] <josue> nah, no wine here.
[10:20] <jacquesmerde> tritium, YES! SOUND!
[10:20] <josue> will check for dvd::rip
[10:20] <carajea1> is there a way to download w32codecs
[10:20] <carajea1> ??
[10:20] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you suck :(
[10:20] <cryan> okay its done
[10:20] <jacquesmerde> tritium, explain my suckage!
[10:20] <cryan> now what
[10:20] <tritium> jacquesmerde, just kidding.  :)
[10:20] <aburlet> carajea1: by hand or find a package repository
[10:20] <cryan> ....the icon in my applications menu still doesnt work
[10:20] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, ubuntuguide.org tells you how
[10:20] <jacquesmerde> btw, what does "Buffer !/O error on device hdc logical block 1/2/3/4.etc"mean?
[10:21] <carajea1> i know i did it that way or tried but got an error
[10:21] <ompaul> cryan, have a look at its properties and see if they match the  "/usr/sbin/synaptic" for the command line
[10:21] <josue> ah theres also drip which rips to divx
[10:21] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, you may also need sh.nu to offer missing packages
[10:21] <cryan> how do i do thgat
[10:22] <Xappe> jacquesmerde, well, sounds loke the cd is bad
[10:22] <carajea1> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:22] <carajea1> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:22] <carajea1> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[10:22] <carajea1> thats the error
[10:22] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I'm glad it works for you.
[10:22] <cryan> howdo i look at its properties
[10:22] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, have you run apt-get update with your new repositories?
[10:22] <ompaul> cryan, right click on the icon
[10:22] <cryan> okay
[10:22] <jacquesmerde> Xappe, the cdrom or the actual discs? the discs are brand new audio cds...
[10:22] <thoreauputic> carajea1: because you don't have the repo for it
[10:22] <cryan> i see Command: xmms %u
[10:22] <aburlet> carajea1: maybe read the 2nd prerequisite
[10:22] <cryan> thats not right is it
[10:23] <MobyTurbo> brb
[10:23] <jacquesmerde> carajeal, w32codecs is in universe
[10:23] <carajea1> no
[10:23] <jacquesmerde> carajeal, w32codecs is in universe, actually, possibly multiverse
[10:23] <cryan> anybody know what the right command is
[10:23] <carajea1> oh that was my question earlier do i need to create a repository
[10:23] <tidalwav1> cryan: for what, again?
[10:23] <vi11e> does anyone know why my menus are in really small resolution? I have to press ctrl+alt+"+" three or four times to see what the menus say.. menus in xmms,mplayer and many other software.
[10:23] <cryan> tida:  xmms?
[10:23] <tidalwav1> cryan: you mean, to run xmms?
[10:23] <aburlet> carajea1: no need to create one, but maybe add one to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:23] <ompaul> cryan, you typed which program_name it returned a value that is the value you need
[10:23] <tritium> w32codecs is on ftp.nerim.net
[10:24] <cryan> no
[10:24] <cryan> i right clicked on an icon and checked its propertiers
[10:24] <ompaul> cryan   /usr/sbin/synaptic
[10:24] <jacquesmerde> ubuntuguide.org tells you how to install w32codecs
[10:24] <jacquesmerde> tidalwav1, what card are you trying ndis with?
[10:24] <carajea1> ok i will add one
[10:24] <tritium> jacquesmerde, carajea1 w32codecs are on marillat's repo (ftp.nerim.net)
[10:25] <tidalwav1> jacques: a D-Link dwl-122 :p
[10:25] <cryan> ompaul:  it REALLY didnt like rthat
[10:25] <cryan> at all
[10:25] <thoreauputic> cryan: it should just say xmms
[10:25] <ompaul> cryan there is more needed in that
[10:25] <vi11e> does anyone know why my menus are in really big resolution? I have to press ctrl+alt+"+" three or four times to see what the menus say.. menus in xmms,mplayer and many other software.
[10:25] <tidalwav1> jacques: and the netprism drivers and hardware appear to be detected/present
[10:25] <ompaul> thoreauputic, cryan is looking for syanptic
[10:25] <tidalwav1> jacques: and I ran ndiswrapper -m
[10:26] <cryan> mo.. ium looking for a reason why my xmms icon doesnt do anything
[10:26] <jacquesmerde> tidalwav1, sorry to give you false hope, i'm not a guru who can help you, just someone hoping to try out ndiswrapper for myself soon
[10:26] <cryan> it did something last night before i shut down
[10:26] <cryan> i ran it once and it was fine
[10:26] <cryan> now its brokeb
[10:26] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I think you got your wires crossed ;)
[10:26] <tidalwav1> jacques: damn it. ;)
[10:26] <ompaul> thoreauputic, so it appears
[10:26] <cryan> how do i run xmms from cmandline
[10:26] <vi11e> you type xmms
[10:27] <thoreauputic> cryan: xmms &
[10:27] <ompaul> cryan type xmms
[10:27] <farruinn> and push enter
[10:27] <MobyTurbo> cryan, either in a terminal or with alt-F2
[10:27] <ompaul> thoreauputic, catch the errors?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> the &  just backgrounds it
[10:27] <cryan> uh oh
[10:27] <cryan> terminal flipped out
[10:27] <Xenguy> "In the beginning was the command-line..."
[10:27] <cryan> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:27] <ompaul> okay can we restore that icon before
[10:28] <ompaul> cryan,  okay can we restore that icon before you go further
[10:28] <cryan> okay
[10:28] <MobyTurbo> cryan, try apt-get libmkmod2
[10:29] <MobyTurbo> er, apt-get install
[10:29] <ompaul> cryan - you used to have xmms %u as the value before I got the wires very crossed
[10:29] <MobyTurbo> s/mkmod2/mikmod2
[10:29] <MobyTurbo> :-(
[10:30] <ompaul> MobyTurbo, that might be confusing would you like to do the whole line again - better user experiance
[10:30] <cryan> okay screw this...  lets totally remove it and try again
[10:30] <MobyTurbo> apt-get install libmikmod2
[10:30] <cryan> how do i remove it via cmdline
[10:30] <ompaul> cryan, remove which xmms?
[10:30] <Xappe> hmm, is it only me that gets segmentation fault in xmms with esound output to polypaudio?
[10:30] <MobyTurbo> cryan, apt-get remove --purge xmms
[10:31] <cryan> okay
[10:32] <ompaul> cryan so now you do apt-get install xmms
[10:32] <cryan> just did
[10:32] <cryan> it took like 2 seconds
[10:32] <cryan> and still doesnt work
[10:33] <ompaul> cryan, there must be something else broken
[10:33] <cryan> imma reboot and see if that helps
[10:33] <ompaul> cryan, no
[10:33] <ompaul> ohh well
[10:34] <MobyTurbo> rebooting in Linux rarely helps, this isn't windows.
[10:34] <ompaul> linux != windows
[10:34] <thoreauputic> cryan: sounds like you ubuntu is deeply ill - do you have mp3 syuff installed like gstreamer0.8-mad and/or mpg321 or some such?
[10:34] <MobyTurbo> thoreauputic, he's not here now
[10:34] <thoreauputic> MobyTurbo: ah yes, the old reboot reflex :/
[10:34] <ompaul> thoreauputic,  Cryan is now missing in action :-)
[10:35] <Mitario> anyone here ever tried iFolder?
[10:35] <josue> i have
[10:35] <josue> installed in ubuntu hoary, and in an xp box
[10:35] <josue> was never able to synch em
[10:35] <jacquesmerde> tritium, why did i have to do that -f install? seems to have happened to a lot of people, would love to know the cause
[10:35] <Mitario> hmm, i get the error 'cant find --stdc++' when trying to compile semias
[10:35] <Mitario> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++
[10:36] <Mitario> but i have libstdc++*-dev installed
[10:36] <carajea1> still no luck on the movie playback and the mp3 playback
[10:37] <tritium> jacquesmerde, because you had broken package due to that error you got, which I don't recall what it was
[10:37] <sontek> Does ubuntu plan on coming out with a sparc version?
[10:37] <refugedk> hi there :)
[10:37] <carajea1> what is the current libdvdcss???
[10:38] <mcphail> Mitario: do you have libstdc++ in /usr/lib?
[10:38] <Se-chan> Can I install ubuntu from the live-cd? =/
[10:38] <august> Hello there. I installed ubuntu, but apparently didn't put the boot sector in the right place. I'm in Knoppix. Can Ubuntu's grub be fixed from knoppix?
[10:38] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, apt-cache search libdvdcss
[10:38] <Mitario> mcphail, eh no
[10:38] <thoreauputic> august: I believe so - I think knoppix includes grub
[10:38] <tritium> carajea1, apt-cache policy libdvdcss2
[10:39] <thoreauputic> august: grub-install perhaps
[10:39] <Mitario> mcphail, oh wait yes I have
[10:39] <Mitario> no .la files though
[10:39] <august> thoreauputic: thanks I will go research then how to do it to not bother here
[10:39] <giard> just curious, anyone know when 1) mono will be upgrade and 2) if/when hula will make it in?
[10:39] <carajea1> i fear i will never watcha movie or hear a song on ubuntu
[10:40] <carajea1> the media codecs are really messed up
[10:40] <Xappe> xmms and mplayer. problem solved.
[10:40] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, you must be doing something wrong - I listen to streaming mp3s and watch movies here fine.
[10:40] <mcphail> Mitario: which .so files do you have?
[10:41] <GilGalad> Mitario you need /usr/lib/libstdc++.so  . if you don't have make a link to /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
[10:41] <cryan> okay i give up
[10:41] <LDR> Q: can i mount a partition that is ignore during installation process ?
[10:41] <thoreauputic> carajea1: I think marillat update his stuff recently - you may have the wrong versions
[10:41] <cryan> whats another mp3 player that i can install using apt-get
[10:41] <apokryphos> carajea1: Follow the full instructions on ubuntulinux.org, and it will all work fine.
[10:41] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, you need to add sh.nu
[10:41] <carajea1> well i dont know what im doin wrong i did exactly what the guide said
[10:41] <thoreauputic> cryan: I don't think your problem is the player
[10:42] <thoreauputic> cryan: more likely the decoder
[10:42] <cryan> i should just totally redo my ubuntu install
[10:42] <ompaul> cryan, totem is one, however you seem to have a problem that runs much deeper
[10:42] <carajea1> where do i add sh.nu onto
[10:42] <carajea1> ??
[10:42] <ompaul> cryan, linux is not windows that is a tad drastic
[10:42] <cryan> thats exactly what im going to do
[10:42] <Mitario> GilGalad, ah, right that helped, thanks
[10:42] <MobyTurbo> deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[10:42] <Mitario> mcphail, thanks too for the help
[10:42] <cryan> ompaul:  yeah but i havent accumulated any important data yet
[10:42] <cryan> if im going to do it
[10:42] <ompaul> cryan, well if you do grab any data off to one side before you do go killing partitions
[10:42] <cryan> nows the time
[10:43] <mcphail> Mitario: de nada
[10:43] <ompaul> cryan, enjoy
[10:43] <thoreauputic> cryan: do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed? If so rhythmbox will play mp3
[10:43] <cryan> relax fellas...  ill be back in 30-40 mins
[10:43] <Se-chan> Bah, sombody must now how/if i can install ubuntu live cd to the hardrive?
[10:44] <carajea1> you gave me this link but im a total newb and dont know what to do with it
[10:44] <cryan> ill be back guys
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Se-chan there's no installation script afaik
[10:44] <Se-chan> How disturbing... =/
[10:44] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, add the deb line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:45] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, you can also add repositories in synaptic
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Se-chan: don't you have an installation disc?
[10:46] <drasko> gotta problem - i tried to install some package I downloaded from the net with dpkg-i, but it had some unamet dependencies... Now command apt-get -f wants to remove whole gnome (126 packages) just to remove this half installed package aftervards. How to manually remove this package, so apt-get -f wons show no packages for removal.
[10:46] <carajea1> ok lets go the synaptic route how do i add them from there?
[10:47] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, search the menus for "repositories"
[10:47] <carajea1> ok they are all checked
[10:47] <august> thoreauputic: ok, I'm having trouble finding an appropriate answer for my situation. I have installed ubuntu to dual boot with windows. I want to do it from the win boot loader. However, when telling ubuntu to install the boot sector in its own (non hda1) partition, I made a mistake and enterred a non existent partition. (hda3). So I have tried, first restoring the bootability of ubuntu TO ITS OWN PARTITION, and second, be able to make it bootab
[10:47] <august> le from windows. (I partly know how to do the second, though)
[10:48] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, but you need to add multiverse, and maybe sh.nu, plus the merillat(sp?) sources.
[10:48] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, multiverse is just like universe - it's easy. The others are explained at ubuntuguide
[10:48] <carajea1> omg thats a lot for a newb to do
[10:49] <august> thoreauputic: all instructions I find are for restoring the Ubuntu grub to the MBR. I don't want to put it in MBR
[10:49] <Se-chan> thoreauputic, no, I dont. Not a working one.
[10:49] <thoreauputic> august: I don't understand the need to use the windows bootloader: grub is *much* better
[10:49] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, there are legal reasons why they have to be added later
[10:50] <carajea1> i understand the legal part but now the hard part is getting all that done
[10:50] <august> thoreauputic: personally, I'd use it too, but we have a weird external requirement here. Does that mean it's not possible to restore grub to ubuntu's own partition?
[10:50] <MobyTurbo> carajea1, let ubuntuguide be your guide. :-)
[10:51] <thoreauputic> august: you can install grub in the ubuntu partition
[10:51] <carajea1> im tryin it out now
[10:51] <thoreauputic> august: I have a good grub howto link here - hang on
[10:51] <mcphail> Does anyone know if I can install source .debs with synaptic? I'm probably missing something obvious, but although I have several source repositories on my list, I can't select a source download. Can I only do this from the command line?
[10:53] <drasko> how to remove package that was only half installed?
[10:53] <august> thoreauputic: this link is the closest to my problem, and doesn't have an answer http://www.mail-archive.com/redhat-list@redhat.com/msg102038.html
[10:53] <thoreauputic> august: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
[10:53] <MobyTurbo> mcphail, it appears that you need to use build-dep and source -b from the command line.
[10:54] <thoreauputic> august: you can pretty well put grub anywhere you wish - even on a floppy
[10:54] <mcphail> MobyTurbo: I just want to download the code - not compile it. Will your method be OK?
[10:54] <jacquesmerde> damn, the only sound i can get now is through my pc-speaker. and it was the last sudo aptitude dist-upgrade that did it...where's the log of what those packages were?
[10:54] <MobyTurbo> mcphail, don't run -b then
[10:55] <august> thoreauputic: thanks for the link. bbl
[10:55] <mcphail> MobyTurbo: thanks
[10:55] <MobyTurbo> np
[10:55] <thoreauputic> august: you're welcome
[10:56] <drasko> how to remove package that was only half installed?
[10:57] <jinx_> hey guys - I'm having trouble getting the live cd to work on my laptop.  It basically tells me something like it can't read from loopback device on hdc and spews that error repeatedly before rebooting
[10:57] <jacquesmerde> damn, the only sound i can get now is through my pc-speaker. and it was the last sudo aptitude dist-upgrade that did it...where's the log of what those packages were?
[10:57] <jacquesmerde> oops, sorry, didnt mean to repeat myself
[10:58] <thoreauputic> drasko: have you tried sudo dpkg -r <packagename> ?
[10:58] <drasko> it has a dependency problems so wont remove...
[11:00] <abiertos> hello
[11:00] <abiertos> my name is Ernesto
[11:00] <abiertos> I need some help
[11:01] <ompaul> abiertos, ask your question, and if someone can help with usually will
[11:01] <josue> arg, whats the damn command to xtract a tar.gz file
[11:02] <josue> got it
[11:02] <josue> lol
[11:02] <ompaul> josue, tar xzvf foo.tar.gz
[11:02] <josue> thanks yea
[11:02] <abiertos> I want to know how I can to activate root login in tty1,tty2,tty3,etc.
[11:02] <jacquesmerde> josue tar -xvvzf
[11:02] <ompaul> josue, no worries
[11:03] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, can you tell me where my aptitude log is? i want to know which package broke my sound...
[11:03] <ompaul> abiertos, in my stupidity I ask why do not log into a ttyn and then type sudo su -?
[11:03] <thoreauputic> abiertos: ctrl-alt-F1, F2, F3 and login
[11:03] <abiertos> I know that
[11:04] <thoreauputic> alt-F7 to return to X
[11:04] <abiertos> I know that shit
[11:04] <abiertos> the problem is
[11:04] <thoreauputic> abiertos: then ask a more intelligent question
[11:04] <mvo> mcphail: synaptic can't download the source for you. use "apt-get source $pkg" for that
[11:04] <abiertos> the root login is disable
[11:04] <Vjaz> abiertos, sudo passwd root
[11:05] <mcphail> mvo: ty
[11:05] <abiertos> the root login is disable
[11:05] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, is it /var/log/aptitude?
[11:05] <abiertos> is disactivated
[11:05] <thoreauputic> abiertos: Vjaz just told you how to enable root in ubuntu
[11:05] <abiertos> when you type root
[11:05] <shadeofgrey> okay
[11:06] <shadeofgrey> fresh install complete
[11:06] <thoreauputic> abiertos: scroll up
[11:06] <jinx_> gah - this thing live cd just won't work... Is there some documentation i'm supposed to follow?
[11:06] <abiertos> the cosole print login incorret and dont give the option for to put the password
[11:06] <shadeofgrey> now i have to recopy all my mp3s -- but i think that i might just install samba instead
[11:06] <abiertos> because one person disactivated the rootlogin
[11:07] <drasko>  dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libgnomevfs2-0: and the long list follows... I can not remove this package... any solutions?
[11:07] <shadeofgrey> okay i need help with one thing first
[11:07] <ompaul> jinx_, what do you "just won't work" ?
[11:07] <abiertos> must be a file that I have to change
[11:07] <abiertos> or something
[11:07] <shadeofgrey> guys i need to reinable the universe thing through synaptic
[11:08] <ZellSF> Hmm, after replacing "warty" in sources.list to "hoary" and running dist-upgrade ... all I get is a terminal
[11:08] <shadeofgrey> hang on
[11:08] <ZellSF> ?
[11:08] <ompaul> jinx_, sorry that should read 'what do you mean by "just won't work" ?'
[11:09] <shadeofgrey> okay where do i put the sources.list file again?
[11:09] <abiertos> whats up
[11:09] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, YES! thankyou. i dont know why it took so long for me to root through /var/
[11:09] <jinx_> ompaul: When I attempt to boot the CD and view the boot messages, it spews out loads of stuff about not being able to read loopback and hdc or something - it scrolls so fast I can't really tell.  The last message I see is about not being able to uncompress the image
[11:09] <jinx_> then it just reboots
[11:09] <abiertos> I waiting for your answer
[11:09] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, no worries
[11:09] <carajean> ok i followed the guide and still no luck
[11:09] <carajean> but everything installed great
[11:09] <abiertos> the only way of login in this computer is typing su
[11:10] <shadeofgrey> ompaul:  can you assist me with my sources.list file - it was sent to me last night via email and i know it works i just cant recall where to put it
[11:10] <ompaul> jinx_, which live CD there is more than one
[11:10] <abiertos> and after the password. I want to change that
[11:10] <carajean> anybody else get sound working in ubuntu
[11:10] <carajean> ??
[11:10] <thoreauputic> abiertos: you probably need to boot linux single to recover the root password - I've seen howtos on it but never needed them : google is your friend on this one
[11:11] <abiertos> you dont understand
[11:11] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, if you look in /etc/apt/ you might find what you want :)
[11:11] <thoreauputic> abiertos: no, clearly not: might have somethingto do with the way you ask questions
[11:11] <abiertos> the person put disabled the root login in the terminals directly
[11:11] <drasko> how to remove package with unmet dependencies?
[11:11] <abiertos> if you want to log typing root
[11:12] <abiertos> the console print login incorrect
[11:12] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, so i've found the list of upgraded, removed and installed packages, in the aptitude actuion that barfed my sound, now how do i pinpoint the problem?
[11:12] <p-fox> has the default sound server changed in hoary? i've upgraded, but now multiple sound output isn't working
[11:12] <jinx_> ompaul: erm - the Intel x86 Live CD, just downloaded from the downloads section on the Ubuntu website under the bit that reads 'Live CD' :/
[11:12] <abiertos> but if you type other user thats no be root
[11:12] <jinx_> ompaul: I tried the disk check thing to see if my image/burn was damaged - and it checks out fine
[11:12] <ompaul> jinx_, that is warty then?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> abiertos: you are just repeating: you need to google for "lost root password" I guess
[11:12] <jinx_> ompaul: yeah
[11:12] <abiertos> the login its work
[11:12] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, AND polypaudio seems to be nowhere in sight
[11:12] <tormod> abiertos, "no root login" is a security feature. Is that "person" the administrator/owner of the machine ? :)
[11:13] <abiertos> I know what is my password
[11:13] <thoreauputic> abiertos: you are stubbornly missing the poit I'm afraid
[11:13] <abiertos> I can login as root typing su and after the password
[11:14] <thoreauputic> so why do you need to log in as root? it's not necessary
[11:14] <mcphail> abiertos: have you definitely set a root password? This isn't done by default on Ubuntu.
[11:14] <abiertos> but I what to login the root user directly without put su and after the password
[11:14] <thoreauputic> su is all you need
[11:14] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, no idea how to check it after the event
[11:14] <thoreauputic> abiertos: what on earth for??
[11:14] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[11:14] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, but look at what fixed it and see what was there before
[11:14] <shadeofgrey> im going to TRY installing xmms again
[11:14] <shadeofgrey> fresh install this time
[11:15] <shadeofgrey> so there wont be any conflicts
[11:15] <mcphail> abiertos: does sudo work for you?
[11:15] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, apt-get install xmms
[11:15] <shadeofgrey> its apt-get install xmms* correct?
[11:15] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, presumably the lack of sound would be caused by a particular package (whether it was upgraded, removed or installed), so i need to find out which of afermentioned packages are "sound-y"
[11:15] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: take my advice and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:15] <abiertos> the root is activated but dont work in ttys terminals directly
[11:15] <shadeofgrey> thor:  you want me to do that first?
[11:15] <abiertos> I what to change that
[11:15] <Vjaz> abiertos, root login should work if root has a password... so is it the case that you/someone else using the system has deliberately disabled root login on your system?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> or at the same time, yes
[11:15] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, it could also be a "mixer" option
[11:15] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i've never "fixed" my sound problem. only reinstalled ubuntu with a different .iso
[11:16] <abiertos> I know my root password
[11:16] <shadeofgrey> okayso
[11:16] <mcphail> abiertos: .bashrc?
[11:16] <carajean> ok so no one has ever fixed there sound issues???
[11:16] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, so aptitude could have changed a "mixer option" without ANY reference to it in its log?
[11:16] <ompaul> jinx_, your situation has me puzzled
[11:16] <abiertos> but I cant use in ttys terminals
[11:16] <shadeofgrey> then i would type apt get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:16] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yes
[11:17] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, well look at it like this - something used to point to /dev/notworking and then something changes that
[11:17] <jinx_> ompaul: I don't understand why it is attempting to do anything with hdc tbh
[11:17] <thoreauputic> you can install both at once   apt get install gstreamer0.8-mad xmms
[11:17] <shadeofgrey> okay done.
[11:17] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, also, how come after i did an update, i could then do an upgrade, dist-upgrade, upgrade, dist-upgrade, etc...each time installing new packages?
[11:17] <ompaul> jinx_,  hdc indicates you have two hard drives before the cdrom
[11:17] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: see if rhythmbox will play an mp3 first
[11:18] <tormod> abiertos, man securetty
[11:18] <abiertos> tormod I done
[11:18] <abiertos> that
[11:18] <bucky> apokryphos, there are 338 people logged into this channel... you cant get an answer here?
[11:18] <shadeofgrey> now then....  how do i set up my system so that i can just read the mp3s from my win partision?
[11:18] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, that is a fun one, upgrade is one level of paranoia - dist-upgrade is different
[11:18] <shadeofgrey> partition rather
[11:19] <thoreauputic> abiertos: logging in directly as root is stupid anyway - much better log in as user and use su
[11:19] <mcphail> /dev/hdc defaults to cdrom even if you don't have a hdb
[11:19] <p-fox> anyone know whats happened to the sound in warty -> hoary
[11:19] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, combined they do several things and adjust that which is not installed yet
[11:19] <p-fox> ?
[11:19] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, but i think dist-upgrade was just a once-only action, that would take you from warty's base system, to hoary's. how come i could keep donig it with different results?
[11:19] <nomasteryoda> shadeofgrey, open terminal... type sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[11:19] <jinx_> ompaul: ok. But if the cd checks out ok, then I'm not sure why it can't read from it properly
[11:19] <tormod> abiertos, check auth.log and system.log for clues, after a login attempt,
[11:20] <jinx_> ompaul: that is, if the cd drive is being detected as hdc
[11:20] <nomasteryoda> shadeofgrey, then sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdX (replace x with letter of windows part) /mnt/windows
[11:20] <apokryphos> Is there any hope of Ubuntu sorting out its dependencies issues in the repositories?
[11:20] <carajean> anybody solve the sound problem? i just want to listen to mp3's
[11:20] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i guess all i have to do now is reinstall warty AGAIN, and follow the actions i took in my aptitude log, until the last one which barfed my sound
[11:20] <apokryphos> carajean: See ubuntulinux.org. I recommend amaroK though, personally.
[11:20] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: what dependency issues? I have none here
[11:21] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I have several. For one, in trying to install qtorrent; secondly, kynaptic.
[11:21] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i dont know WHY i did another dist-upgrade, my system was fine. but i thought it was just a once-only thing, so i thought if there was still more dist-upgrade'ing to do, then it hadnt finished properly the last time
[11:21] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, or you can apt-get remove --purge some sound stuff until you get lucky
[11:21] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: OK
[11:21] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Other random ones too, but not that spring to mind at the mo.
[11:22] <shadeofgrey> mount: /dev/hda already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
[11:22] <ompaul> jinx_, that cd is on ide 1 disk 1 am I right?
[11:22] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, of course! i manually wind back to BEFORE that last aptitude action, then try each one one by one until i find the culprit!
[11:22] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, it is one way
[11:22] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: then it's mounred and you can access it from your file manager
[11:23] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, but wait, you were saying that aptitude dist-upgrade could change certain settings which weren't merely changing of packages? so my arduous method isnt foolproof?
[11:23] <carajean> i just found out that ubuntulinux.org doesnt help with my sound problem any other suggestions?
[11:23] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, true :) but it comes with 99% chance of being okay
[11:23] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: possibly mounted in /media or something
[11:24] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Should repository problems be reported anywhere? I gather that many others haven't encountered problems.
[11:24] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, is it working atm?
[11:24] <mcphail> shadeofgrey: just type mount
[11:24] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, also, i can easily install what aptitude removed, and remove what aptitude installed, but can aptitude downgrade packages?
[11:24] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I guess you could write a bug report
[11:24] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, everything works except for the COMPLETE absence of sound (my swearing doesnt count)
[11:24] <ompaul> hehe
[11:25] <shadeofgrey> hda is not in the list
[11:25] <chutwig> hooray everything works
[11:25] <chutwig> all is well in the world of linux
[11:25] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, at the risk of getting shot - I would do the following, and comes with te warning YMMV remove totem or xmms and then reinstall it
[11:25] <jinx_> ompaul: this is my laptop i'm trying to get it to work on if that's any help - and the hdd is on ide0-1 and the cd is on ide1-1
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> /dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[11:26] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, also....apart from how to "downgrade" packages with aptitude, can you explain to me in what way aptitude can change your system outside of merely changing packages?
[11:26] <ZellSF> CAn anyone help me? I get "No volume control elements and/or devices found." each time I login
[11:26] <ompaul> jinx_, if it not reading from the disk there is not a lot I can do for you
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> ZellFS:  reinstall ubuntu?
[11:27] <shadeofgrey> i did it in 15 minutes
[11:27] <ZellSF> Eh, why?
[11:27] <jacquesmerde> ompaul,  dont have xmms on my system, and totem, other than totem-gstreamer hasnt been affected for a while, why would that help?
[11:27] <ZellSF> I'd still get the same error
[11:27] <jinx_> ompaul: as I said, it passes the disk check..  Let me reboot the machine and see if I can get the exact error message
[11:27] <mchasard> why the last hoary  is so long to boot as a live cd ?
[11:27] <ompaul> jinx_, just take the live CD to a friend and see if it boots their system
[11:27] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, they depend on sound being presesnt
[11:27] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: re: bug reports - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[11:28] <jinx_> ompaul: yeah, i'll go try it on another pc... thanks for your time though
[11:28] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Yup, I'm entering one now.
[11:28] <mcphail> shadeofgrey: post /etc/fstab to #flood
[11:28] <ompaul> jinx_ enjoy
[11:28] <goldfish> (nautilus:5131): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:28] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, so kill our friendy music player :)
[11:29] <goldfish> I am haveing trouble with gtk
[11:29] <goldfish> *having
[11:29] <goldfish> I keep getting that error
[11:29] <goldfish> when i try open stuff
[11:29] <thoreauputic> goldfish: are you trying to open nautilus as root?
[11:29] <goldfish> ye
[11:29] <goldfish> *yes
[11:29] <thoreauputic> or as another user?
[11:29] <goldfish> root
[11:29] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i'm removing totem, its taking ubuntu-desktop with it!
[11:29] <thoreauputic> goldfish: well that is your problem
[11:30] <goldfish> hmm...
[11:30] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, not good
[11:30] <goldfish> happens in my user account too thoreauputic
[11:30] <goldfish> :
[11:30] <goldfish> :/
[11:30] <thoreauputic> goldfish: you can't have two users using the same X display at once -security issue
[11:30] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i'm gonna reboot and see if i have sound
[11:30] <goldfish> oh right
[11:30] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, okay
[11:30] <ompaul> brb
[11:30] <carajean> ok can anyone help with sound trouble???
[11:30] <goldfish> I tried it there from my user account, and i get the same error.
[11:30] <thoreauputic> goldfish: your .ICEauthority file has probably changed permissions
[11:30] <carajean> and yes i have tried the guide
[11:31] <thoreauputic> goldfish: ls -l .ICEauthority
[11:31] <apokryphos> carajean: What's the problem? No sound-output or not playing mp3s?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> goldfish: my gues is it now belongs to root
[11:31] <goldfish> -rw-------    1 root     root            0 Feb  8 05:22 .ICEauthority
[11:31] <goldfish> good guess :)
[11:32] <farruinn> it's what you get for running an X app as root ;)
[11:32] <carajean> both
[11:32] <thoreauputic> goldfish: as root,    chown youruser:youruser .ICEauthority
[11:32] <ZellSF> CAn anyone help me? I get "No volume control elements and/or devices found." each time I login
[11:32] <ZellSF> ...?
[11:32] <carajean> i can finally watch dvds but silently
[11:32] <thoreauputic> goldfish: and *don't do it again* !  8grin*
[11:33] <carajean> it plays the mp3's but no sound
[11:33] <goldfish> thoreauputic: lol, I don't even know how i did it :)
[11:33] <thoreauputic> goldfish: *never* run X apps as root!
[11:33] <goldfish> thoreauputic: Do i need to reboot for that to take affect?
[11:33] <goldfish> thoreauputic: okay
[11:33] <thoreauputic> goldfish: got it?
[11:34] <goldfish> thoreauputic: yep
[11:34] <goldfish> sorry, n00bie here
[11:34] <goldfish> :)
[11:34] <thoreauputic> goldfish: just log out and back in
[11:34] <thoreauputic> goldfish: should work
[11:34] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i still have no sound, but for some bizarre reason, i STILL have totem!!!
[11:34] <balor> w00t...just installed Ubuntu
[11:35] <jacquesmerde> totem can NOT be aptitude removed!
[11:35] <balor> jacquesmerde: try good old "apt-get remove"
[11:35] <goldfish> thoreauputic: works, thanks alot.
[11:35] <carajean> Hey I still have no sound either it seems to be a commen theme in ubuntu!!!!
[11:35] <balor> jacquesmerde: "apt-get remove totem-gstreamer" to be exact
[11:36] <ZellSF> what filesystem does Windows XP use??
[11:36] <p-fox> any ideas how to get sound to work with gaim on hoary? none of the output options work
[11:36] <jacquesmerde> balor, nah, i need aptitude, i need everything logged so i can trace what i'm doing
[11:36] <GammaRay> ZellSF: ntfs or fat32
[11:36] <balor> carajean: Can I say "me too"...what soundcard do you have
[11:36] <jacquesmerde> balor, but yeah, should have done totem-gstreamer, not just totem
[11:36] <ompaul> ZellSF, it might be NTFS
[11:36] <carajean> no sound card
[11:36] <carajean> onboard
[11:36] <Panzerboy> ok, so in ubuntu guide it says to do something like "nautilus applications:///Internet" for installing a new launcher in the menu
[11:36] <thoreauputic> goldfish: just remember - no X apps as root
[11:36] <Panzerboy> but it seems in the new version of nautilus is not possible anymore
[11:37] <balor> carajean: intel i810?
[11:37] <Panzerboy> so are there any alternatives?
[11:37] <carajean> no way im amd all the way ac'97
[11:37] <Panzerboy> how the hell do I add a launcher to the menu ?
[11:37] <jacquesmerde> balor, totem-gstreamer is now removed. anything else to remove balor? have you been following what i'm trying to do?
[11:37] <josue> Panzerboy, i also can't do that,
[11:37] <balor> jacquesmerde: I've not been following, what's the problem?
[11:38] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: right click at the end of a submenu, choose whole menu, add launcher
[11:38] <p-fox> any ideas how to get sound to work with gaim on hoary? none of the output options work?
[11:38] <balor> carajean: I thought ac97 was a sound spec that was implemented on cards...my bad
[11:38] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: hmm.. maybe not in hoary
[11:38] <Panzerboy> no, not in hoary :)
[11:38] <carajean> ok here is a quick fact about ubuntu sound will NEVER work!!!
[11:38] <jacquesmerde> i did a third in a series of dist-upgrades, and now i can not get ANY sound. ompaul seemed to think removing and reinstalling totem might help. i was more inclined to undo everything in the last list of aptitude changes
[11:38] <Panzerboy> hmm
[11:38] <Panzerboy> strange thing
[11:39] <jacquesmerde> balor, do you know how to downgrade packages in aptitude?
[11:39] <Panzerboy> and also very annoying
[11:39] <balor> jacquesmerde: what does "alsamixer" say if you run it as root
[11:39] <BiteMeBill> carajean: Strange, mine seems to be working fine.
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: maybe the GNOME team decided to take away *yet another* option ;/
[11:39] <balor> carajean: It's easy to get sound working but I think ubuntu have some problems with the current Hoary kenrel
[11:39] <jacquesmerde> interestingly, polypaudio has been removed from my system, and STILL no sound
[11:39] <carajean> this is the only distro where sound has not worked right after installation
[11:40] <jacquesmerde> balor, alsa mixer says "pretty pictures"
[11:40] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: yeah, that would be a reasonable explanation :)
[11:40] <Panzerboy> but tell me, is it too much to ask ?
[11:40] <balor> jacquesmerde: What do you mean...does it actually say that string?
[11:40] <Panzerboy> to add a blody thing to a menu
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[11:40] <Panzerboy> in a EASY and INTUITIVE way
[11:40] <balor> Panzerboy: you have to write a .desktop file
[11:40] <carajean> ok so if there is any easy way why after searching google forever have i not found it or out of the 339 people in this chat no one has said so???
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: I agree completely
[11:41] <Panzerboy> with all the hot shots gnome developers now getting money from canonical
[11:41] <jacquesmerde> it shows most of my volume controls at about half-full, except "3d contr"
[11:41] <Panzerboy> you'd expect they'll do something about issues like this
[11:41] <thoreauputic> balor: and how is a user supposed to know that?
[11:41] <Panzerboy> c'mon, it's not like i'm asking for the moon
[11:41] <balor> jacquesmerde: then your sound card is working
[11:41] <Panzerboy> balor: yeah, i don't have the slightest idea how to write a .desktop file
[11:41] <jacquesmerde> balor, i know, my soundcard is fine. its some weird shit thats going down here
[11:42] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: file a bug / complaint
[11:42] <balor> jacquesmerde: you need to "amixer set Master 100 on" and "amixer set PCM 100 on" to unmute it
[11:42] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: i'll do that :)
[11:42] <thoreauputic> it's absurd
[11:42] <Panzerboy> yeah, it is
[11:42] <Panzerboy> good thing though that we have the new package updater :)
[11:42] <carajean> does anyone know short and easy way of fixing sound??
[11:42] <Panzerboy> and thank god it is already in the menu !
[11:43] <balor> carajean: What does "alsamixer" do?
[11:43] <mcphail> Panzerboy: it seems that every alternate version of GNOME removes things, only for them to be reinstated next time.
[11:43] <carajean> dont know where is it?
[11:43] <Panzerboy> yeah
[11:43] <balor> carajean: It's a command line program..open a terminal and type it
[11:43] <Panzerboy> i was about to say some nasty stuff
[11:43] <Panzerboy> but then again, this is oss
[11:44] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, just from eariler - upgrade updates packages but not dependencies - dis-upgrade but changes the installation status of dependencies
[11:44] <Panzerboy> if you don't like something, do something about it
[11:44] <Panzerboy> and not just bitch and complain
[11:44] <carajean> it shows up
[11:44] <Panzerboy> right? :D
[11:44] <mcphail> Panzerboy: or stick with warty...
[11:44] <Panzerboy> mcphail: or switch distro :P
[11:44] <balor> carajean: do the amixer stuff that I suggested to jacquesmerde earlier
[11:44] <jacquesmerde> oh, so that WAS a nasty chain i caused, ompaul
[11:44] <mcphail> heaven forbid!
[11:44] <Panzerboy> :)
[11:44] <carajean> all my line-in are off so is my mono
[11:44] <Panzerboy> mcphail: i've already installed hoary
[11:45] <Panzerboy> so it stays
[11:45] <mcphail> sensible
[11:45] <junit> My Ubuntu is going extremely slow for some reason
[11:45] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, how do i downgrade packages with aptitude so i can roll back my system?
[11:45] <Panzerboy> but at least i will file a buf report
[11:45] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, you might have a chance to do something with deselect
[11:45] <Panzerboy> bug that is :)
[11:45] <junit> it happened after I compiled GTK2.4.0
[11:45] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: that's why I suggested installing another window manager - but really, the GNOME crew are getting out of touch i you ask me
[11:45] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, it front ends apt-get
[11:45] <junit> could that be the cause?
[11:45] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: yeah man, but this is why i wanted to install ubuntu in the first place, to see what gnome is now
[11:45] <balor> junit: why are you running gtk 2.4 ?
[11:46] <mcphail> thoreauputic: wasn't there an alternate GNOME branch?
[11:46] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, dselect doesnt seem to have an option for downgrading
[11:46] <junit> im an idiot
[11:46] <Panzerboy> and gnome it's supposed to be something great in ubuntu
[11:46] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i think i'm just gonna reinstall my warty cd
[11:46] <junit> im trying to remove it, but it is going extremely slow
[11:46] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, 2 things before i do that
[11:46] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, can you get your data off that box first?
[11:46] <Panzerboy> i had BIG problems with mp3 playing in warty
[11:46] <Panzerboy> now i didn't try yet to play a mp3 :P
[11:46] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, 1, whats the correct way to get my system up to date from warty? i dont want a repeat of what i've just done then
[11:47] <Panzerboy> i'm scared :p
[11:47] <thoreauputic> mcphail: I don't know - but each release seems to make more and more assumptions about what things users shouldn't be able to change... I find it insulting
[11:47] <mcphail> Panzerboy: never had probs
[11:47] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, oh, there is NO data on this disk, i've been reinstalling ubuntu twice a day for the last few days...
[11:47] <mcphail> thoreauputic: 2.8 is much better than 2.6
[11:47] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, well what I do given that there are several ways to be correct :) is this
[11:47] <shadeofgrey> okay i need help guys.  editted /etc/fstab - just as the starter guide suggested did mount -a as root and i still see a red x in my /mnt/windows with the file manager
[11:47] <Panzerboy> mcphail: well, every player i've tried in warty played like 5-8 secs from a file
[11:47] <junit> If I install Hoary, once the final comes out, will i be able to install without losing everything
[11:47] <Panzerboy> then it get to the next
[11:47] <Panzerboy> and the same thing happened
[11:48] <carajean> balor, its not there i must have logged in after that
[11:48] <mcphail> Panzerboy: just worked "out of the box"
[11:48] <balor> junit: do you have /home on a separate partition?
[11:48] <junit> no
[11:48] <Panzerboy> but i found out there were some problems with the fs
[11:48] <balor> carajean: you need to "amixer set Master 100 on" and "amixer set PCM 100 on" to unmute it
[11:48] <Panzerboy> because the mp3's are on a ntfs partition
[11:48] <thoreauputic> mcphail: well, at least the option to disable "spatial" in nautilus is there - I believe it's been hidden again now
[11:48] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, 1) edit the souces file in /etc/apt to allow all sources to be active, 2) only do the following "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" I never do further than that and apt has been good to me
[11:48] <Panzerboy> and when i've tried to copy them, it failed for each file
[11:48] <junit> I want to try hoary out, and I don't want to lose everything once it comes out
[11:48] <mcphail> thoreauputic: wth is spatial?
[11:49] <Panzerboy> but then again, in mandrake it worked
[11:49] <balor> junit: if /home is on the same partition as /, it'll get whacked when you upgrade.  Burn a CD and put /home on a separate partition
[11:49] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, anything else?
[11:49] <Panzerboy> but maybe the kernel was broken or smth
[11:49] <Panzerboy> anyway
[11:49] <mcphail> Panzerboy: my XP is FAT32
[11:49] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, but ubuntu is so much prettier after a dist-upgrade, whats more, i dist-upgraded twice before my system barfed on the third
[11:49] <Panzerboy> back to installing some more stuff :)
[11:49] <thoreauputic> mcphail: the nautilus windows that open all over your desk when you open a new directory :/
[11:49] <carajean> ok both those are 100
[11:49] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: that's also shitty
[11:49] <thoreauputic> mcphail: one of my pet hates
[11:49] <mcphail> thoreauputic: that is crappy
[11:49] <carajean> and still no sound
[11:49] <balor> carajean: can you play sound now?
[11:49] <balor> carajean: strange
[11:49] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, may I suggest that you put a partition away to one side for two things future data config files you think might be useful
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> i dont believe it
[11:50] <thoreauputic> mcphail: I now use rox- thay got it right: middle click to open a new window
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> i actually did it!
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> hell yeah!'
[11:50] <thoreauputic> mcphail: in nautilus, you have to midle click to avoid polluting the desktop
[11:50] <junit> OMFG, this is going soooo slow
[11:50] <carajean> stil no sound
[11:50] <mcphail> thoreauputic: I'll stick with GNOME as long as they keep .gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[11:51] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, since dloading ubuntu packages has become almost a gig a day habit for me, i want to switch my sources.list to a local mirror (which doesnt effect my dload cap), i know archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu goes to mirror.pacific.net.au/ubuntu but i have no idea what to change sercurity.ubuntu.com/ubuntu to
[11:51] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: congrats :)
[11:51] <Panzerboy> any of you guys installed mplayer?
[11:51] <junit> i did
[11:51] <Panzerboy> junit: how?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you have mp3 now?
[11:51] <Panzerboy> manually ?
[11:51] <junit> i forget
[11:51] <junit> ha
[11:51] <Panzerboy> :)
[11:52] <junit> i don' think it was manually
[11:52] <Panzerboy> f**k u :-)
[11:52] <Panzerboy> j/k :P
[11:52] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i'm definitely going to copy my aptitude /var/log files to my windows partition...i'd just rollback to before my last dist-upgrade, but i dont think you can downgrade packages...
[11:52] <carajean> balor, any suggestions on how to fix??
[11:52] <shadeofgrey> thor:  yup!
[11:52] <Panzerboy> well, apt-get-ing it fails
[11:52] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: aha - so rhythmbox and xmms are both working?
[11:53] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, sorry I do not know enough about the mirrors to help there, however I think you can now figure out what I am going to check into :)
[11:54] <shadeofgrey> thor:  no -- havent installed xmms yet
[11:54] <Panzerboy> well, again, same problems with mp3-s
[11:54] <Panzerboy> playing 10-12 secs
[11:54] <Panzerboy> then the next
[11:55] <Panzerboy> and again and again
[11:55] <thoreauputic> right - well gstreamer is doing the job with rhythmbox
[11:55] <balor> carajean: Are you in the audio group?
[11:55] <Panzerboy> well, ubuntu, it was nice knowing you
[11:55] <Panzerboy> tomorrow is the beginning of a new era
[11:55] <ebone> hey guys.
[11:55] <shadeofgrey> thor:  now i need to know how to create a link to my main launch panel that opens my c:\mp3 directory so that i can get straight there with a single mouseclick
[11:55] <ebone> question.
[11:55] <Panzerboy> rather the re-begining of a new era
[11:55] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, security.ubuntu does seem to point to archive (or that could be sleep in my eyes)
[11:55] <Panzerboy> the gentoo era
[11:56] <ebone> is there any documentation on how to customize Gnome ?
[11:56] <Panzerboy> ebone: no
[11:56] <Panzerboy> gnome is NOT customizable
[11:56] <ebone> :)
[11:56] <balor> ebone: it depends on what you want to do
[11:56] <Panzerboy> the devs of gnome already know what you want
[11:56] <balor> Panzerboy: you're an idiot
[11:56] <ebone> yeah ... let me continue ...
[11:56] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, what are you saying ??
[11:56] <carajean> um i dotn know what an audio group is?
[11:56] <ebone> i prefer "old-skool" vi style customizing ...
[11:56] <balor> carajean: give me a minute to test it first
[11:56] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: just make an icon/launcher with nautilus /path /to /directory I guess
[11:56] <ebone> all the user documentation assumes you are using it's interface ...
[11:57] <carajean> ok
[11:57] <ebone> i'd rather just edit text files honestly ...
[11:57] <Panzerboy> simple question: how do I add a launcher to a menu ?
[11:57] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: can you answer me ?
[11:57] <ebone> i know where all the KDE files are kept ...
[11:57] <shadeofgrey> i figured it out
[11:57] <Panzerboy> balor: and stop calling names
[11:57] <shadeofgrey> now heres a different question
[11:57] <ebone> i'm having a hard time figuring out which files do what and stuff like that.
[11:57] <Panzerboy> balor: you don't know me, so there's no need to insult me
[11:57] <Panzerboy> balor: ok?
[11:57] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, you having trouble with audio or something ?
[11:58] <shadeofgrey> how do i make the file manager NOT open a new window every time i go up or down a directory?
[11:58] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: well, yes
[11:58] <shadeofgrey> it makes the desktop very cluttered very fast
[11:58] <balor> carajean: type "groups" in a terminal to see if your're in the audio group
[11:58] <mcphail> shadeofgrey: one minute
[11:58] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: actually i don't think it's with audio
[11:58] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: i have a ntfs partition where i have some mp3's
[11:58] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, do you know if your using the alsa sound modules ?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: middle click - or edit preferences behaviour  and choose browse mode
[11:59] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: nope, how can i find out?
[11:59] <Panzerboy> anyway
[11:59] <Panzerboy> i cannot even copy them
[11:59] <carajean> yeah it says audio
[11:59] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, can you copy one to your local drive and see if it makes a difference ?
[11:59] <Panzerboy> well, there's the trick
[11:59] <mcphail> shadeofgrey: apps > system > cong editor > apps > nautilus > desktop > prefs > use browser
[11:59] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: the copying fails for every single one of them
[11:59] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, umm