[12:00] <jbailey> T-Bone: What are you hacking?
[12:01] <T-Bone> jbailey: i'm whacking, mind you. The ppc kernel :P
[12:01] <jbailey> Oh nice.  Je te laisses tranquille!
[12:01] <T-Bone> though i wonder whether that could be some glibc bug
[12:01] <T-Bone> s/laisses/laisse/ ;)
[12:02] <jbailey> Mm.  that's right.  conjugated from Je, not te.
[12:02] <T-Bone> since I built my ppc64 gentoo fine on that very same box...
[12:02] <T-Bone> s/te/tu/ ;)
[12:02] <jbailey> No, I had 'te' in the sentence, unless that was wrong?
[12:03] <mxpxpod> jbailey: you said they're using a mmap in update-icon-cache?
[12:03] <jbailey> T-Bone: I was playing with the that that our glibc might be the cause of my gij breakage, since I couldn't imagine that noone else was seeing it, but upstream glibc is currently have gcc4-on-ppc issues at the moment.
[12:03] <T-Bone> jbailey: sorry yeah, i've too hasty :)
[12:03] <jbailey> mxpxpod: I think so.  I remember seeing that it pulled in mmap and such.
[12:03] <T-Bone> jbailey: well, that'd make sense. I have no such issues on my pegasos running either debian or gentoo
[12:03] <mxpxpod> I'll have to go over the source tonite
[12:03] <jbailey> mxpxpod: It either is trying to mmap and arch-indep file, or it should be in /usr/lib, mind you.
[12:04] <T-Bone> jbailey: the bugzilla stuff is complete crackpot
[12:04] <jbailey> T-Bone: We use the same glibc as Debian pretty much, down to the same compiler.
[12:04] <T-Bone> hmm
[12:04] <jbailey> T-Bone: If you're seeing a difference between Debian Sid/Sarge and Hoary there, I'd suspect our kernel.
[12:04] <T-Bone> jbailey: i just tried a pristine kernel from -mm series, had the bug.
[12:05] <jbailey> Fall back to 2.6.8 maybe?
[12:05] <T-Bone> so it's either not the kernel or not our kernel
[12:05] <T-Bone> could try this
[12:05] <jbailey> Just thinking that we've moved beyond even in releases.
[12:06] <T-Bone> gentoo is running 2.6.10. And you know how build intensive that shit is. Never got any build kill there...
[12:06] <T-Bone> but that's a g4 cpu
[12:06] <T-Bone> and UP
[12:06] <jbailey> Mm, that's true.  Do try the Debian kernel package, anyway.
[12:06] <jbailey> It's a a quick enough test.
[12:06] <T-Bone> i built mplayer under debian pretty fine. I can try loop building glibc/gcc/kernel to check tho
[12:07] <jbailey> T-Bone: You should be able to also load the Debian glibc onto Ubuntu without any hiccups.
[12:07] <mxpxpod> jbailey: welp, I'll take a look at the icon cache thing tonite and see if I can see what's wrong... where does gtk+ read the caches?
[12:07] <jbailey> mxpxpod: ISTR that the file is called gtk-icon-cache.c =)
[12:07] <mxpxpod> :P
[12:07] <mxpxpod> I just saw that
[12:07] <T-Bone> jbailey: fwiw, if you wanna hang out, we've setup a #ubuntu-kernel irc chan for us kernel crackheads ;)
[12:07] <jbailey> I remember it took me 30 seconds to find it and 2 minutes to read the code. =)
[12:08] <T-Bone> jbailey: i wonder if building inside a chroot would be a good enough test
[12:08] <T-Bone> a debian chroot, that is
[12:08] <mxpxpod> gotta go
[12:08] <jbailey> T-Bone: I don't know enough about the mechanics of a chroot on Linux.
[12:09] <T-Bone> it should be enough to isolate glibc
[12:09] <jbailey> Cool.  Remind me, chroot is a syscall, right?  Not an emulation through the chroot program?
[12:10] <T-Bone> err
[12:10] <T-Bone> i'm talking about chrooting myself into a sid jail from my hoary system
[12:11] <T-Bone> so that i'd end up using a sid environment while running the hoary kernel
[12:11] <T-Bone> if it goes fine, then the kernel is not to blame
[12:11] <T-Bone> and thus, most likely the glibc ;)
[12:11] <T-Bone> if it goes wrong, it proves nothing :)
[12:12] <jbailey> True.  I think replacing your kernel and rebooting might be less work than that. =)
[12:12] <T-Bone> jbailey: actually i have a chroot ready :)
[12:13] <T-Bone> fired a make -j4 loop. Waitandsee
[12:13] <luis_> hrm
[12:14] <luis_> oh, nm
[12:28] <lamont> gpg: Note: This key has expired!
[12:28] <lamont> bad seb128
[01:03] <sid77> ciao
[01:04] <Riddell> if I have a package version 1.2beta3-0ubuntu1  what do I call the final version?  dpkg seems to think 1.2-0ubuntu1 is a downgrade
[01:05] <crimsun_> it is
[01:05] <crimsun_> (a downgrade)
[01:06] <crimsun_> calc suggested doing betas and rcs as, for instance, 1.2~beta3-foo
[01:06] <zul> hey
[01:06] <crimsun_> lo
[01:07] <Riddell> hmm, do I need to up the epoc again?
[01:07] <crimsun_> that's what I'd do in the last case
[01:14] <zul> mavo: i just sent you the signed coc
[01:16] <zul> bleah..mako i just sent you the signed coc
[01:16] <zul> sorry my bad
[01:17] <mako> zul: cool
[01:21] <luis_> tseng: what is the sources.list line for your f-spot and muine packages? (and is there anything else in there?)
[01:26] <zul> hey jdub 
[01:27] <rburton> yo yo jdub 
[01:27] <rburton> jdub: new g-a-i in ubuntu!!! :)
[01:35] <luis_> g-a-i?
[01:35] <Mitario> hi jdub
[01:36] <jdub> morning
[01:37] <zul> how come?
[01:37] <jdub> dunno
[01:37] <ajmitch> morning jdub 
[01:38] <jdub> luis_: gnome-app-install, first sweep at doing a really usefully user-centric application installer
[01:38] <luis_> ah, nice
[01:38] <ajmitch> luis_: uploading muine & gtk# for tseng in a few min
[01:38] <Mitario> wow, buildd was fast? michael uploaded a source package about one hour ago
[01:38] <luis_> ajmitch: ah, cool
[01:38] <luis_> any idea about f-spot?
[01:39] <ajmitch> not as yet
[01:39] <jdub> Mitario: buildds are super speedy and run every half hour :)
[01:39] <Mitario> jdub, ahh nice :)
[01:39] <luis_> (this is probably the last liveCD I can build for a bit over a week)
[01:39] <luis_> hrm
[01:39] <jdub> luis_: mako tells me you guys hooked up at lwe
[01:39] <ajmitch> he said he packaged it this morning
[01:39] <luis_> is there a way to do something like 'dpkg -i http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/f-spot/f-spot_0.0.8-1_i386.deb'
[01:39] <ari> jdub: it was hot
[01:39] <luis_> jdub: yeah, we talked for a bit, not long enough :)
[01:39] <jdub> luis_: wget... ;)
[01:39] <luis_> jdub: blah, rpm -ivh and rug in can both take URIs ;)
[01:40] <jdub> yeah, we'll fix apt to do that soon
[01:40] <jdub> apt-get install <deb> and apt-get install <deb-uri>
[01:40] <jdub> so we can completely ignore dpkg :-)
[01:40] <Mitario> jdub, btw, can you do something for me? modifying my pgo feed
[01:40] <jdub> (that said, it could be smartpm)
[01:41] <jdub> Mitario: got your mail
[01:41] <Mitario> ok great
[01:41] <Mitario> :)
[01:41] <Mitario> nm me then
[01:41] <rburton> luis_: g-a-i kicks arse if i do say so myself
[01:41] <rburton> even more so with mvo's latest patch
[01:42] <jdub> rburton: good stuff
[01:42] <jdub> ?
[01:42] <rburton> jdub: runs synaptic in a thread so the UI doesn't die and embeds the synaptic progress window
[01:42] <Mitario> rburton, do you think we can integrate your neat .desktop file app icon fetch thingy in update-manager?
[01:43] <jdub> rburton: haha, rad
[01:43] <rburton> Mitario: jdub was writing that
[01:43] <mako> jdub: yeah we had a good time
[01:43] <rburton> jdub: another new release with that and new desktop files next week i guess
[01:43] <mako> jdub: i had a good time with the host of the gnome guys actually
[01:43] <jdub> rburton: yeah, i'll ship a data package probably over the weekend
[01:44] <rburton> jdub: that would totally rock
[01:46] <jdub> Mitario: hrm
[01:46] <jdub> Mitario: that gets kinda backwards on us
[01:46] <jdub> Mitario: although it's probably doable
[01:46] <Mitario> jdub, how do you mean?
[01:47] <Mitario> well, i don't think it's nescesairy or something :) it would just look cool
[01:47] <jdub> Mitario: you're coming from binary/source names, and want to get .desktop metadata; g-a-i has .desktop metadata and wants binary names (we just add a field in the .desktop file)
[01:47] <jdub> Mitario: just gotta figure out how to do it ;)
[01:47] <jdub> and it doesn't cover libraries and so on
[01:47] <Mitario> no that's allright..
[01:48] <Mitario> just an app icon for the apps that g-a-i also shows
[01:48] <jdub> that said, it would be nice to have update-manager only show applications (and libraries only on checkbox, etc)
[01:48] <Mitario> some sort of filters you mean?
[01:49] <Mitario> my head's a bit slow atm, probably have to go to bed ;)
[01:49] <jdub> ;-)
[01:49] <jdub> nah, something to think about for hoary+1 anyway :)
[01:49] <Mitario> hehe ok :)
[01:49] <Mitario> all fine by me
[01:50] <rburton> jdub: i want to get g-a-i ready for hoary so keep in touch if anything needs to be done
[01:50] <rburton> i'm off to bed
[01:52] <Mitario> brb need to restart X
[01:56] <Mitario> back
[01:56] <Mitario> ok, this is just like: WOW, I configured X to use hardware accel, started xcompmgr
[01:57] <Mitario> it almost looks the same like NLD's flash-hack demo now :)
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> and it runs so very, very slow
[01:59] <ajmitch> HrdwrBoB: depending on your hardware, ran fast enough for me
[01:59] <Mitario> HrdwrBoB, its so fast for me
[01:59] <Mitario> I have an nvidia card with some options from that gnomedesktop.org article
[01:59] <Mitario> opening menus with fades + shadows is normal speed
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> ajmitch: I tried it on a 440mx and it made a very large performance difference
[02:02] <Mitario> the only comment I have, is that my nautilus icons fall behind my panel :) and I can slide windows over my panel
[02:10] <ari> i wonder how hard it would be to re-port xchat's perl plugin support to gaim
[02:10] <ari> and python
[02:59] <robertj> has there been general funkyness reporting on ppc recently?
[02:59] <T-Bone> robertj: what kind?
[02:59] <ari> i got a really weird bug report on gaim from ppc
[02:59] <T-Bone> icons? SIGILL?
[02:59] <robertj> icons
[03:00] <T-Bone> known bug
[03:00] <robertj> also I have a supicion that xorg-driver-synaptics doesnt take over for xfree86's synaptics
[03:02] <daniels> er, it does
[03:03] <robertj> daniels: it just removed it and I just installed xorg-driver-synaptics
[03:03] <robertj> let me kill X and see if this is fixed
[03:03] <robertj> brb
[03:04] <mjg59> sivang: So everything works now?
[03:07] <tritium> mjg59, sivang and I got his latitude 8200 suspending/resuming today with nvidia module using NvAGP
[03:07] <robertj> daniels: it removed it when I installed xorg and I had to reinstall it
[03:08] <mjg59> tritium: Ah, ok
[03:08] <mjg59> Is that the default?
[03:08] <daniels> robertj: so don't uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[03:08] <tritium> mjg59, are you asking me
[03:09] <mjg59> tritium: Yeah
[03:09] <robertj> hrmm, wadda ya know, I didn't notice
[03:09] <tritium> mjg59, no, if you don't blacklist intel_agp, agpgart will load, despite your xorg.conf setting
[03:09] <robertj> thanks, sorry about that
[03:09] <tritium> mjg59, also, had to pass module params for nvidia and disable video posting
[03:10] <mjg59> tritium: Argh
[03:11] <mjg59> I've no nvidia stuff to test this on, sadly (thankfully?)
[03:11] <mjg59> It'd be nice if it could Just Work, but it sounds like it'd be a mess to integrate
[03:11] <tritium> mjg59, and, even though my GeForce4 440 Go doesn't support SBA, this is the module param combination I need to use: mjg59, in /etc/modules: nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1
[03:11] <daniels> i have nvidia at hand, but unfortunately not laptops
[03:11] <tritium> otherwise, it won't seem to work
[03:12] <tritium> mjg59, send any tests to me, if you like
[03:12] <mjg59> tritium: But it works fine with nv?
[03:12] <tritium> mjg59, actually, I haven't really used with nv
[03:13] <tritium> mjg59, I do have one strange problem.  I have to press power button 2X to resume
[03:13] <tritium> haven't figured that one out yet
[03:13] <mjg59> tritium: Yeah, you said. I have no idea whatsoever what could be causing that.
[03:13] <tritium> Nor I.  Anyway, if you want me to test things out, let me know.
[03:14] <mjg59> Will do
[03:14] <tritium> cool
[03:17] <tritium> mjg59, so what packages am I missing to have suspend an option on logout.  I have powermanagement-interface
[03:18] <Mitario> guys, what do you think as something like http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/wp-content/updatealert.png as a 'U have software updates' systray icon?
[03:19] <mjg59> tritium: The code doesn't seem to be written yet
[03:19] <tritium> mjg59, okay, thanks
[03:19] <tseng> luis_: sorry, id gone to dinner
[03:19] <robertj> Mitario: I would think a red background would be better
[03:20] <Mitario> robertj, what do you mean?
[03:20] <Mitario> robertj, i mean, isn't this already red?
[03:20] <tseng> luis_: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/muine ./
[03:20] <tseng> luis_: f-spot doesnt  have a Packages.gz
[03:20] <robertj> Mitario: that icon looks black to me
[03:21] <tseng> luis_: i can make you one if you are still around.
[03:21] <Mitario> robertj, well i guess it's pretty darkish yeah :)
[03:21] <Mitario> robertj, so you think it should be somewhat brighter?
[03:21] <robertj> it should make your eyes burn
[03:21] <tseng> ajmitch: oh snap.. muine is accepted before gtk#
[03:21] <robertj> throbbing would be best
[03:22] <Mitario> hehe ;)
[03:22] <tseng> ajmitch: it might get stuck in dep wait
[03:23] <tseng> ajmitch: was gtk# rejected, or not upped yet?
[03:29] <luis_> tseng: nah, if it is going to get into universe within the next... well, say, next 7-8 days, don't bother
[03:29] <tseng> luis_: f-spot was packaged also by the debian maintainer im told. sounds like we'll have that within that time frame hopefully
[03:30] <tseng> luis_: you asked about other goodies.. my other package there was tomboy and is now in the archive proper
[03:30] <tseng> so no, nothing else.
[03:30] <tseng> some older stuff built against warty
[03:32] <ajmitch> tseng: gtk# will be in NEW
[03:32] <ajmitch> I uploaded them both at the same time
[03:32] <luis_> tseng: cool, thanks
[03:32] <ajmitch> only change I made was changing the distribution in debian/changelog to hoary
[03:33] <tseng> right.. did you get an accepted mail for gtk#?
[03:33] <ajmitch> no, but I don't get any mail when I upload normally :)
[03:33] <tseng> it goes to hoary-changes
[03:34] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:35] <Mitario> robertj, still here?
[03:35] <ajmitch> I had issues uploading it the first time, possilby a partial .orig.tar.gz was uploaded, 2nd time it uploaded with no complaints
[03:37] <Mitario> ok can anyone else critisize this one? :) http://www.geeklog.eyesopend.nl/wp-content/softupd2.png?
[03:38] <ari> Mitario: link no work
[03:39] <Mitario> ehh sorry http://www.geeklog.eyesopened.nl/wp-content/softupd2.png
[03:39] <jdub> Mitario: our icon designer is going to do Human icons for those, btw.
[03:39] <Mitario> oooh
[03:39] <Mitario> ok, nice :)
[03:39] <jdub> Mitario: might be worth using one of the gnome ones by default though
[03:39] <tseng> Mitario: eh that second one doesnt seem working either here.
[03:39] <Mitario> yeah, but which one
[03:39] <jdub> tseng: strip the www
[03:39] <Mitario> http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/wp-content/softupd2.png
[03:39] <Mitario> right, i really should go to bed
[03:40] <daniels> jdub: word
[03:40] <tseng> heh.
[03:40] <Mitario> hmm, really? ;)
[03:40] <Mitario> i'm awake 20h now :/
[03:40] <jdub> 11:49 < Mitario> my head's a bit slow atm, probably have to go to bed ;)
[03:40] <jdub> and it's 13:40 now ;)
[03:40] <Mitario> oh well,  :p
[03:41] <Mitario> jdub, is there a schedule for the icons to 'officially' use them as default icon theme?
[03:44] <jdub> next week or so
[03:44] <Mitario> ahh ok, nice :)
[03:44] <Mitario> will it have an 'you have software updates' icon?
[03:44] <Mitario> a*
[03:45] <jdub> the first drop might not
[03:45] <jdub> but we will have one :)
[03:45] <Mitario> ok
[03:45] <Mitario> ok great :)
[03:46] <Mitario> well, current update-notifier icon is also custom
[03:46] <Mitario> michael suggested to design a new icon if i really had nothing to do anymore :)
[03:46] <Mitario> and because i'm lazy right now.. and tired, and broke
[03:50] <jdub> hrm
[03:50] <jdub> windows is weird
[04:00] <tseng> ajmitch: I guess we'll figure it out tommorow. thanks
[04:00] <ajmitch> yeah, sorry about that
[04:03] <Mitario> woo, finally fixed the bug
[04:04] <Mitario> now i'm going to bed, good night/day everyone!
[04:04] <ajmitch> night Mitario 
[04:04] <tseng> night.
[04:07] <luis_> oh, hrm
[04:08] <luis_> can you not upload files to the ubuntu wiki?
[04:13] <jdub> hrm
[04:13] <jdub> dunno
[04:13] <jdub> no, i think you can
[04:14] <luis_> I couldn't find a link for it
[04:14] <jdub> you'll have to search for a link somewhere, might be on the edit page page
[04:14] <luis_> but maybe I was just failing to grok something obvious
[04:14] <luis_> yet again
[04:14] <jdub> no
[04:14] <luis_> ah
[04:14] <jdub> there is nothing obvious about zwiki
[04:14] <jdub> well
[04:14] <jdub> apart from the huge mole
[04:16] <jdub> so i can't figure out how to make windows output via the spdif
[04:16] <luis_> prayer
[04:17] <jdub> btw luis_, we're having a party tonight, come over
[04:17] <luis_> haha
[04:17] <luis_> sure
[04:18] <daniels> jdub: can you send some pizza around?
[04:18] <luis_> well, blah, my script is not as loveydovey as I'd hoped
[04:18] <jdub> btw, are you getting spammed from FOSSTEC?
[04:19] <luis_> I am not
[04:19] <luis_> at least not that I've noticed
[04:21] <luis_> blah, blam seems to have grabbed my keyboard and not let go
[04:21] <jdub> aha! worked it out
[04:22] <jdub> oof
[04:22] <jdub> sounds good
[05:38] <lamont> daniels: you around?
[05:38] <lamont> oh! jdub
[05:40] <daniels> lamont: word
[05:41] <lamont> daniels: I have a patch for you for xresprobe - wanna see it?
[05:41] <daniels> lamont: fo'sho
[05:41] <lamont> daniel.stone@u.c?
[05:41] <daniels> yahy
[05:41] <daniels> also, yah
[05:42] <lamont> makes it into if i386 else if ppc else ...
[05:42] <daniels> cool
[05:43] <lamont> Makefile:21: *** extraneous `endif'.  Stop.
[05:43] <lamont> well.  that was the intent anyway...
[05:43] <lamont> gimme a minute
[05:51] <lamont> daniels: better patch mailed - actually works on at least 2 architectures. :-)
[07:41] <jdub> bad connection fu today
[08:04] <dilinger> hrm
[08:04] <dilinger> it's another jdub
[08:05] <dilinger> #   Signed-off-by: Josh Boyer <jdub@us.ibm.com>
[08:06] <jdub> spoken to him before, too :-)
[10:20] <pitti> Morning folks
[10:20] <lifeless> daniels: ping
[10:32] <lifeless> someone tell daniels xorg preconf is fuxked
[10:36] <lifeless> I mean really, I've been asked the 'do you want hw detection' question like 15 times now.
[10:36] <lifeless> *I've answerd already, now go away kthnxbye*
[10:58] <lifeless> lamont: ping 
[10:59] <lifeless> - want a machine-hard-lokcup bug ?
[10:59] <lifeless> or would you rather I don't share ?
[11:06] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[11:06] <da_bon_bon> is gnome-panel maintainer here ?
[11:08] <lifeless> thatd be seb128, who isn't
[11:08] <da_bon_bon> ah, i wanted to make a reuest
[11:33] <minghua> Hi, I have a question about mp3 support in Ubuntu
[11:34] <minghua> the FAQ says mp3 is not supported due to patent issues
[11:34] <minghua> and indeed gstreamer0.8-mad is not included in main (I suppose for exactly this reason)
[11:35] <minghua> but on the other hand python-hip is included
[11:35] <minghua> which can decode mp3 using libmp3hip0 (which comes from lame)                   
[11:36] <minghua> I am perfectly happy with including libmp3hip0
[11:36] <minghua> I am using it to listen to my mp3s now
[11:36] <minghua> but I am just curious about the inconsistency here
[11:37] <minghua> if we can include libmp3hip0, when not just have gstreamer0.8-mad so that we can listen do mp3s from rhythmbox?
[11:38] <minghua> by the way this is about warty, I haven't looked at hoary yet
[11:49] <pitti> minghua: hmm, that's a good discovery
[11:49] <pitti> minghua: I think this deserves to be discussed on the mailing list
[11:50] <minghua> pitti: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel?
[11:51] <pitti> minghua: of course :-)
[11:51] <minghua> if yes, would you please send one mail for me?
[11:51] <pitti> minghua: yes, I added it to my todo list
[11:51] <minghua> I am not subscribed, and last time I sent a mail, it took about two weeks to pass moderation
[11:51] <minghua> thanks. :-)
[11:58] <pitti> minghua: send
[11:58] <pitti> minghua: thanks a lot
[11:59] <minghua> pitti:  Thank you.  I am probably going to subscribe ubuntu-devel soon. :-)
[12:13] <pitti> Morning seb128
[12:13] <seb128> hey
[12:14] <seb128> pitti: the jail has a good internet connection ?
[12:14] <seb128> :)
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: I hope so
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: to download mp3 w4r3z :-)
[12:14] <pitti> hehe
[12:14] <seb128> :)
[12:32] <lifeless> pitti: you're doing kernel stuff now rightr ?
[12:32] <pitti> lifeless: oh, I didn't know that up to now :-)
[12:32] <lifeless> oh, I'm confused then :)
[12:32] <pitti> lifeless: zul and lamont are core members of the kernel team
[12:32] <lifeless> I know lamont is  .. ah
[12:32] <pitti> lifeless: I only collect vulnerabilities :-)
[12:33] <lifeless> zul ping ?
[12:34] <lifeless> at least you aren't a crack dealer :)
[12:37] <T-Bone> lifeless: what about kernel?
[12:38] <lifeless> fuse-source needs a patch, fabbione wanted feedback on it, this was while he was handing over to the kernel team.
[12:38] <T-Bone> pitti: btw, dunno if lamont told you about #ubuntu-kernel :)
[12:38] <lifeless> also the module control file incorrectly depends on kernel-image not linux-image
[12:38] <pitti> T-Bone: no, indeed not. thanks
[12:38] <T-Bone> pitti: well then now you know :)
[12:50] <pitti> lifeless: btw, if 2.6.11 hangs, boot it with "noinotify"
[12:50] <pitti> lifeless: that helped for me
[12:51] <pitti> lifeless: 2.6.11 now ships fuse by default? good crack :-)
[12:51] <lifeless> during the gnome-login is your hang ?
[12:51] <pitti> lifeless: exactly
[12:51] <pitti> lifeless: inotify is the culprit
[12:51] <lifeless> pitti - no, apt-get install fuse-source + a small aptch
[12:51] <pitti> lifeless: fabbione added a kernel parameter "noinotify" to disable it
[12:51] <lifeless> pitti: thanks. someone should add that to the bug :)
[12:51] <pitti> lifeless: hmm, jdub once told me that fuse will eventually be merged upstream
[12:52] <Treenaks> pitti: fuse is in some -mm1 patch for the 2.6.11rc series though
[12:52] <pitti> lifeless: its a s3kr3t :-)
[12:52] <lifeless> yes
[12:52] <pitti> lifeless: no, sersiously, it should be added
[12:52] <lifeless> pitti (was answering treenaks)
[12:53] <lifeless> cool. fuse working.
[12:55] <lifeless> heh, that hangs it though :[
[12:55] <lifeless> it ain't good at reentrancy
[01:02] <Mitario> hi everyone
[01:36] <pitti> seb128: I dist-upgraded and now most of my icons are gone
[01:37] <pitti> seb128: known bug?
[01:37] <seb128> pitti: ppc ?
[01:37] <pitti> seb128: indeed
[01:37] <seb128> iz gtk bug
[01:37] <tseng> seb128: arg, i lost another build-dep to control.in on f-spot. my bad
[01:37] <pitti> seb128: I did not upgrade this for maybe two weeks
[01:37] <seb128> sudo rm -f /usr/share/icons/*/icon-theme.cache
[01:38] <pitti> and relogin?
[01:38] <seb128> killall nautilus
[01:38] <seb128> just restart the apps, nautilus is the most obvious
[01:38] <pitti> gnome-panel, I suppose
[01:38] <seb128> if you have the issue on the panel yep
[01:38] <pitti> yay, they are back
[01:38] <pitti> seb128: thanks, dude
[01:38] <seb128> tseng: could you make a 0ubuntu2 ? :)
[01:38] <seb128> pitti: np
[01:38] <tseng> seb128: already did.
[01:39] <seb128> tseng: same location ?
[01:39] <pitti> seb128: how can an arch-all thing like icons be ppc-specific?
[01:39] <tseng> seb128: not uploaded yet. 2 mins
[01:39] <seb128> pitti: that's the icon cache
[01:39] <seb128> pitti: probably and endian issue
[01:39] <seb128> s/and/an/
[01:40] <pitti> hmm
[01:40] <seb128> pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/295815
[01:40] <pitti> seb128: btw, "cache" sounds like it should live under /var/cache, not /usr
[01:41] <pitti> seb128: will that break with a r/o /usr?
[01:41] <seb128> I've not tried
[01:41] <T-Bone> jbailey suspespected an endianness/mmap issue
[01:41] <seb128> possible
[01:41] <seb128> gtk-update-icon-cache /dir/to/cache
[01:41] <seb128> to create a cache for a dir
[01:42] <seb128> that's what is called in the postinsts
[01:42] <tseng> seb128: 0ubuntu2 in the same place.
[01:43] <seb128> tseng: thanks!
[01:43] <tseng> thank you.
[01:43] <seb128> :)
[01:44] <tseng> ajmitch: no sign of gtk-sharp-unstable yet.
[01:45] <tseng> ajmitch: if you dont have a rejected mail we should ask around
[01:45] <seb128> is that a new package ?
[01:45] <tseng> yep.
[01:45] <tseng> do they need extra work?
[01:45] <seb128> need 2 approvals
[01:46] <seb128> one before build
[01:46] <seb128> and one before getting in the archive
[01:46] <tseng> hm, oh =/
[01:46] <seb128> when have you uploaded it ?
[01:46] <tseng> aj uploaded for me last night my time
[01:47] <tseng> its universe and only used by muine, approval should be no problem.
[01:47] <seb128> yeah
[01:47] <seb128> probably waiting on elmo
[01:48] <tseng> I'd not asked anyones permission other than the debian maint. again.. universe
[01:48] <tseng> appologies if I missed some proceedure.
[01:48] <seb128> no, don't worry
[01:49] <seb128> all the new packages go to NEW
[01:49] <seb128> and wait for a ftpmaster approval
[01:49] <seb128> in debian or ubuntu main or universe
[01:49] <seb128> for everybody
[01:50] <tseng> fair enough.
[01:53] <azeem> did you guys consider reintroducing autoconf-doc into the autoconf package?
[01:53] <winkle> tseng: you did tomboy right? it crashes when trying to make notes here, ideas?
[01:53] <tseng> winkle: hm, it does now here as well.
[01:54] <tseng> winkle: thats quite odd, wonder whats changed
[01:54] <tseng> i doubt it needs rebuilt against a new libpanel-applet..
[01:56] <seb128> tomboy doesn't work for some time here
[01:56] <tseng> winkle: hm it needs rebuilt against *some* lib. I built again from source and is working
[01:56] <tseng> we just need a no-change revision to get built with the latest deps I believe
[01:57] <winkle> tseng: check, hm, I seem to recall some -cil package being upgraded...
[01:57] <tseng> winkle: gtk-sharp 1.0.4 yes.
[01:57] <tseng> but thats a minor release
[01:57] <tseng> on a stable branch
[01:57] <winkle> ok
[02:00] <tseng> winkle: thanks for pointing this out, I dont use tomboy often
[02:01] <winkle> tseng: np, first time I tried it :P
[02:03] <tseng> i love how mono is impossible to strace
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> seb128: here ?
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> is the gnome-panel maintainer here, i want to make a small request ?
[02:05] <seb128> afternoon
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> seb128: evening :)
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> seb128: i know that people always demand rebuilds, but can i just ask when is the next rebuild scheduled for ?
[02:06] <seb128> rebuild for what ?
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> gnome-panel
[02:06] <seb128> a rebuild doesn't change anything
[02:06] <seb128> you mean "update" ?
[02:06] <seb128> "release" ?
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> due to a nasty bug i cannot work properly. i reported on bugzilla of gnome
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> the bug was fixed in cvs
[02:07] <seb128> what bug ?
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> thats why i am curious
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> wait a sec
[02:07] <seb128> the package is update on upstream releases
[02:07] <seb128> or to include patches
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> 167478
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> bug no. 167478 on gnome bugzilla
[02:07] <tseng> da_bon_bon: the next release is due by Feb 28th, as you can see at http://gnome.org/start/2.9/
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> tseng: sorry, mea culpa :)
[02:08] <tseng> da_bon_bon: if you can get a patch from cvs, and prove why its a major bug, it might get fixed sooner
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> i thought that ubuntu people compile every night from cvs..
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> am i wrong ?
[02:08] <tseng> heh, nope :P
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> then ?
[02:08] <seb128> da_bon_bon: yep you are
[02:09] <tseng> we go by the same 2.9.x prereleases as everyone else gets. plus patches
[02:09] <seb128> da_bon_bon: we package upstream releases
[02:09] <seb128> and include patches for some stuff
[02:09] <da_bon_bon> seb128: if i am right, then is it not fixed or some other problem ?
[02:09] <seb128> it's fixed in the CVS
[02:09] <seb128> but there is no new release since then
[02:09] <da_bon_bon> ok, so u dont compile from cvs ?
[02:09] <seb128> next one is planned for 28th feb as said by tseng 
[02:09] <seb128> no
[02:10] <da_bon_bon> oh, sorry, i didnt know.
[02:10] <da_bon_bon> sorry for the trouble
[02:10] <seb128> that would be a lot of work to package every day every module
[02:10] <da_bon_bon> ok.. so i cant add stuff to gnome panel until 29-30th of feb ?
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> also, how do i edit menus is hoary ?
[02:11] <seb128> I can include a patch to the package
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> *in
[02:11] <seb128> you don't
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> seb128: so, patching, but then how do i update it ?
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> i cant edit menus in hoary ?
[02:11] <seb128> you can add .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/
[02:11] <seb128> look on /usr/share/applications/
[02:12] <seb128> right, there is no menu editor for GNOME 2.10
[02:12] <da_bon_bon> :(
[02:12] <seb128> they have changed the code to use the freedesktop format
[02:12] <seb128> but nobody worked on a menu editor yet
[02:12] <da_bon_bon> but in nautilus, applications:/// doesnt work, so i needed to ask
[02:12] <seb128> yeah, that's the 2.8 crappy system
[02:12] <da_bon_bon> ah, ok.. 
[02:12] <seb128> 2.10 is much better but that's a different code
[02:13] <seb128> so this need to be rewritten
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> but not out until 19march :(
[02:13] <seb128> and nobody has worked on it for the moment
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> ok..
[02:13] <seb128> for the patch, just update the gnome-panel package
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> so, the development team actually packages the software when a release is made ?
[02:13] <seb128> I'll grab the patch from the CVS
[02:13] <seb128> correct
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> seb128: thanks a lot... but then when do i update ? 
[02:14] <seb128> in 1 or 2 hours
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> ah, so it /is/ a critical bug ?
[02:14] <seb128> no
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> ok..
[02:15] <seb128> I just do that so you can use your panel
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> thank you sooo much.
[02:15] <seb128> no problem :)
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> but, say, if people like me go on increasing, doesnt your work increase ? for every bug fix people ask you to rebuild..
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> :)
[02:16] <seb128> there is not a lot of crasher
[02:16] <seb128> you are the first to bug me about this one
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> :)
[02:26] <seb128> da_bon_bon: panel patched uploaded. It should be in the archive in 1 hour. Let me know if that works and if you have a broken icon in the "add to panel" with it
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> seb128: why the icon ?
[02:28] <seb128> because that's probably what's crashing it now
[02:28] <seb128> a broken icon
[02:28] <seb128> maybe that's due a package
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> oh, i didnt realize that
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> i thought maybe a big bug or somethin
[02:29] <da_bon_bon> u there for the hour it will take to upload ?
[02:31] <seb128> yep
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> ok'
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> so m i
[02:38] <da_bon_bon> can u explain why once u have uploaded it takes 'bout an hour, seb128 ?
[02:39] <seb128> because it needs to be built
[02:39] <seb128> and then it needs to be synced on the mirror
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> ok, so u dont build the binary on ur own pc ?
[02:39] <tseng> da_bon_bon: we dont upload the binaries. just a source package
[02:39] <seb128> I do, but I upload only the sources
[02:39] <tseng> da_bon_bon: it gets built by a pbuilder.
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> whats a pbuilder ?
[02:39] <tseng> an automated builder daemon
[02:40] <seb128> buildd
[02:40] <tseng> or that.
[02:40] <seb128> (pbuilder is a package)
[02:40] <HiddenWolf> tseng: what's the hardware on the server-side? :)
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> oh ok.. what notions i had aobut maintainers, how wrong i was!
[02:40] <tseng> HiddenWolf: not sure specifically. its big and bad
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> the moment u upload, it starts building ?
[02:41] <HiddenWolf> da_bon_bon. I imagine it'll have a queue of packages that need to be build. :)
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> really ?
[02:42] <HiddenWolf> da_bon_bon: that server only has limited capacity. So it can't possibly do everything at once. 
[02:42] <tseng> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources
[02:42] <tseng> there is information on this sort of thing here.
[02:42] <tseng> read around
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> are uploaders notfiied when package is built ?
[02:43] <tseng> no, but they are notified when it is accepted
[02:43] <tseng> would you mind reading that page, esp BuildDaemons link?
[02:44] <tseng> i appreciate your curiosity but its getting a bit OT
[02:44] <da_bon_bon> ot ?
[02:44] <tseng> off topic.
[02:44] <da_bon_bon> sorry
[02:45] <tseng> thanks.
[02:52] <seb128> tseng: f-spot 0.0.8 in the archive
[02:52] <tseng> seb128: i see it :)
[02:52] <seb128> tseng: thanks :)
[02:53] <tseng> seb128: if you have another free moment today.. could you help me with a no-change upload of tomboy?
[02:53] <tseng> I really need to sort this gpg stuff soon =/
[02:55] <seb128> tseng: what's the issue with it ?
[02:55] <seb128> when I start it here it hangs, no icon in the notify
[02:55] <seb128> and it return to the console after some min
[02:55] <tseng> seb128: here it crashes when adding a note, same for winkle 
[02:55] <tseng> rebuilding it solves the issue.. some lib inconsistancy
[02:56] <seb128> k
[02:56] <tseng> seb128: are you using --tray-icon ?
[02:56] <seb128> no
[02:56] <tseng> see, its an applet now
[02:56] <tseng> so you can a) add the applet, or b) call with --tray-icon
[02:56] <seb128> it breaks working configuration
[02:56] <seb128> iiiiiiiiiih
[02:56] <tseng> yeah =/
[02:57] <tseng> upstream crack, calling it w/ no args should make an icon imo
[02:57] <seb128> rebuilding now BTW :)
[02:57] <tseng> you see the crasher?
[02:57] <seb128> yep
[02:58] <seb128> #4  0xb74201ca in pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 ()
[02:58] <seb128>    from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
[02:58] <seb128> #5  0xb7f3d256 in mono_method_full_name () from /usr/lib/libmono.so.0
[02:58] <seb128> #6  0xb7f4bee4 in mono_once () from /usr/lib/libmono.so.0
[02:58] <seb128> rebuild fix it
[02:58] <tseng> indeed
[02:58] <seb128> ABI breakage in a minor update ?
[02:59] <tseng> looks that way =/
[02:59] <seb128> not nice
[02:59] <tseng> ive not seen anything else break.
[02:59] <seb128> uploaded
[02:59] <tseng> you rock.
[03:00] <seb128> thanks :)
[03:00] <seb128> do you know if 1.1.4 is packaged somewhere ?
[03:00] <tseng> it is not
[03:00] <seb128> it needs some packaging changes IIRC
[03:00] <tseng> if you saw the recent chat in here with miguel
[03:00] <seb128> nop
[03:00] <tseng> he raised several issues with the current debian mono policy
[03:00] <tseng> so updating to 1.1.4 will also involve a new policy
[03:01] <seb128> k, so not for hoary ?
[03:01] <tseng> likely not
[03:01] <tseng> http://wiki.debian.net/?MonoDebianPlan for anyone interested.
[03:02] <seb128> k
[03:02] <tseng> latexer@gentoo tells me that most apps are compatible with 1.1.4 from a non-packaging standpoint. he is working on fixing tomboy, believe thats the last
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> seb128: i need to go. will update later at night and will tell u when we next meet. thanks for the trouble :)
[03:03] <seb128> da_bon_bon: k, later
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> seb128: later
[03:04] <tseng> im off as well, maybe for the rest of the day.
[03:04] <tseng> many thanks seb128 
[03:04] <seb128> have a good afternoon :)
[03:16] <seb128> jdub: where have you seen the rawhide patch for the menus ?
[03:16] <jdub> seb128: saw seth's desktop sshots ;-)
[03:16] <jdub> seb128: perhaps ping him
[03:16] <seb128> k
[03:16] <seb128> because there is no patch in the current srpm
[03:16] <jdub> bum
[03:17] <seb128> jdub: do you know if somebody is working on sabayon packaging ? I'm tempted to start it :p
[03:18] <jdub> :-)
[03:19] <jdub> haven't heard so far, no
[03:20] <seb128> k
[03:20] <seb128> it looks cool by reading planet :)
[03:28] <seb128> jdub: an user is asking if we are going to move nautilus-sendto to main or in the desktop. Already considered it ?
[03:29] <da_bon_bon> seb128: here ?
[03:30] <seb128> yep
[03:30] <da_bon_bon> works great now. thanks
[03:30] <seb128> np
[03:30] <seb128> do you have a screwed icon ?
[03:31] <da_bon_bon> where ? all icons are ok.
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> seb128: thanks, then cya later
[03:32] <jdub> seb128: yes, i think we should
[03:33] <seb128> jdub: k. Should I mail -devel or something ?
[03:34] <jdub> seb128: i'll confirm and add it now ;)
[03:34] <seb128> cool
[03:47] <_d4vid> hi all
[03:51] <jdub> seb128: blame lamont for no nautilus-sendto seed love atm ;)
[03:53] <seb128> he has a lock on the seed again ? :)
[03:58] <jdub> seb128: -r--r--r-- ;-)
[04:01] <unifi> has anyone had ubuntu installation freeze up at setting up xserver?
[04:01] <unifi> because i have been trying for 2 days to install the thing and It wont budge past this point
[04:08] <unifi> no one?
[04:09] <seb128> nop
[04:12] <unifi> I guess I should just go back to using mepis
[04:13] <sivang> unifi: or you can go ask around #ubuntu, it's for user issues and trouble.
[04:16] <unifi> I have... they dont know either
[04:17] <unifi> I have been at this for 2 days now
[04:17] <unifi> have installed suse
[04:17] <unifi> mepis
[04:17] <unifi> even linspire on this thing trying to find a decent distro
[04:39] <lifeless> seb128: you know about complete-hangs when you unmount something while a nautilus window is open on it ?
[04:40] <jdub> lifeless: boot with 'noinotify'
[04:40] <lifeless> seb128: just happened when I upgraded today, hadn't upgraded for a week or two before
[04:40] <lifeless> jdub: 2.6.10-3, never had this problem before,
[04:40] <jdub> lifeless: trust me. :)
[04:41] <lifeless> jdub: robert.collins@canonical.com--general/bazaar-fuser--0 for fuse module for bazaar
[04:41] <lifeless> jdub: pybaz is not packaged yet - but on ddaa.net
[04:41] <lifeless> jdub: ok, I trust you, when will inotify suck less ?
[04:43] <seb128> lifeless: as jdub said, inotify bug
[04:44] <jdub> lifeless: rml is working on a lockless version atm
[04:44] <jdub> lifeless: go to the odeon! :)
[05:06] <zul> hey
[05:10] <jbailey> http://ubuntu.hands.com/releases/4.10/ has "Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) as its page title. =)
[05:10] <T-Bone> lol
[05:35] <lifeless> wireless rocks my world
[05:35] <lifeless> jdub: empire - the life fantastic
[05:40] <lamont> jdub: blame the root cause, not the trigger-man... :-)
[05:40] <lamont> seb128/jdub: seed archive repaired
[05:40] <seb128> thanks lamont 
[05:42] <zul> is the person who is working on accessibility CD-ROM around?
[05:43] <dholbach> hai
[05:44] <amu> sync
[05:44] <amu> argl :)
[05:48] <lamont> seb128: but I don't know what seed action jdub had planned.
[05:49] <HWolf> Anyone here?
[05:49] <T-Bone> no
[05:49] <azeem> what a strange question
[05:49] <T-Bone> we're all zombies
[05:50] <Treenaks> 17:49 -!- Irssi: #ubuntu-devel: Total of 95 nicks
[05:50] <seb128> lamont: addind nautilus-sendto to the desktop 
[05:53] <lifeless> jdub: http://www.advogato.org/person/robertc/diary.html?start=30
[05:54] <HWolf> My internet connection is wacky. Is there anything in today's updates that could mess it up?
[05:56] <zul> have you tried calling your isp?
[06:45] <Evaso> is there a way to regenerate fstab as on a new fresh installed ubuntu system?
[06:49] <HiddenWolf> Evaso: why do you need to do that?
[06:50] <Evaso> i'm only guessing about it, i had touched an fstab and i want to automatically regenerate one as on installing ubuntu is there a way?
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> Evaso: not that I know of. But you can just manually edit it, right?
[06:52] <Evaso> HiddenWolf: Yes i could edit it, but if i want to return to the autmacally generated one of the install time can i do?
[06:53] <Evaso> HiddenWolf: with new kernel 2.6.10 the support of udf is introduced but i tink that packet cd are not autmatically mounted by pomunt i tink in hoary so i want to verify it without reinstalling
[06:55] <sid77> ciao
[07:47] <dholbach> hai ogra
[07:47] <ogra> hi
[07:51] <dholbach> ogra, looks good, as far as i understand it
[07:51] <ogra> heh
[08:08] <sdfsadf> hello
[08:24] <dholbach> bbl
[08:25] <LarryT> dholbach tobad :)
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> larryT: how about checking the md5sum first?
[08:26] <LarryT> :( i didn't :-[ 
[08:26] <LarryT> that's the reason why i download it again ;)
[08:27] <LarryT> 25 minutes still :)
[08:27] <HiddenWolf> LarryT: Why do you delete the iso then? :-P
[08:28] <LarryT> because i thought about md5 after :-[ :)
[08:35] <HiddenWolf> LarrtT: sucks
[08:49] <dholbach> re
[09:03] <LarryT> Hi dholbach : how are you doing ?
[09:04] <dholbach> LarryT, thanks... fine :-)
[09:04] <dholbach> LarryT, what about you?
[09:04] <LarryT> about more than a week that i have no news from plosr :(
[09:04] <LarryT> south american is far away :)
[09:04] <LarryT> but  connection must work there ;)
[09:05] <dholbach> LarryT, ah, now i recognize you
[09:05] <LarryT>  :)
[09:05] <LarryT> dholbach you better have "ein mass Bier , nicht war ? " :)
[09:05] <LarryT> "var"
[09:06] <LarryT> i have succesfully added gparted on the ubuntu live cd
[09:06] <dholbach> LarryT, wow - cool!
[09:06] <LarryT> dholbach :but i can't resize any kind of partition :(
[09:06] <LarryT> dholbach : dunno why
[09:07] <dholbach> LarryT, any debug messages in the console about it?
[09:07] <LarryT> dholbach nothing at all. I can resize fat32, create all kind of partition, but i can't resize neither ntfs nor ext :(
[09:08] <dholbach> LarryT, maybe they're mounted?
[09:08] <LarryT> dholbach : in that case, gparted shows a lock , isnit ?
[09:09] <dholbach> LarryT, try   mount   in the console
[09:09] <LarryT> dholbach, it seems one can resize a partition only if there is nothing after :(
[09:09] <LarryT> dholbach, yep gonna try : just a while ...
[09:10] <dholbach> LarryT, yes... i think there must be free space after a partition to resize it
[09:13] <LarryT> dholbach, you mean : even if you want to reduce it ?
[09:13] <LarryT> dholbach, ubuntu live larrycustom is running ...
[09:13] <dholbach> LarryT, i think i read something in some TODO somewhere
[09:14] <LarryT> dholbach, hmm ...
[09:22] <LarryT> dholbach, yep this time it works :) 
[09:22] <LarryT> dholbach, do tou know hwoto resize or delete extended partition ?
[09:23] <LarryT> dholbach, it is free, absolutly blank :)
[09:23] <dholbach> LarryT, sorry, i don't know - is there nobody at irc://irc.gnome.org/gparted? :-)
[09:23] <LarryT> dholbach, no matter . :) cul8r :)
[09:24] <dholbach> LarryT, see you!
[09:50] <srbaker> anyone know of a good todo list app for gnome?
[09:50] <srbaker> with check boxen?
[09:51] <ari> there's gtodo
[09:51] <ari> do you want hierarchical?
[09:51] <srbaker> doesn't need to be hierarchical, but it'd be nice
[09:52] <ari> there's devtodo, but that's console
[09:52] <srbaker> no, i want gnome.
[09:53] <T-Bone> evolution
[09:53] <T-Bone> check "Tasks"
[09:53] <srbaker> i don't use evolution for anything else.
[09:54] <T-Bone> so what's the problem?
[09:54] <srbaker> T-Bone, if evolution is too bloated and slow for me to read email in, i'm certainly not using it for only task list
[09:55] <T-Bone> srbaker: you want something nice looking with eye candy, nice integration, you use gnome, and you dare complain about evolution's slowlyness and bloatedness? :P
[09:55] <srbaker> T-Bone, it's not just the slowness and bloatedness that bothers me :P
[09:55] <srbaker> gtodo looks like what i want, i think
[10:11] <jdub> configure:19318: Looking for Python version >= 2.3
[10:11] <jdub> configure:19338: checking for python
[10:11] <jdub> configure:19356: found /usr/bin/python
[10:11] <jdub> configure:19368: result: /usr/bin/python
[10:11] <jdub> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:12] <jdub>   File "<string>", line 7, in ?   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/string.py", line 403, in atoi
[10:12] <jdub>     return _int(s, base) ValueError: invalid literal for int(): 1a0 
[10:12] <jdub> 
[10:13] <dholbach> jdub, debian/control and configure.ac seem not to be in sync at all
[10:14] <jdub> hrm?
[10:15] <dholbach> oops
[10:15] <dholbach> i mistook something for something else ;-)
[10:16] <jdub> (this is flumotion 0.1.5, it has built previously, i'm just trying to get it to build again)
[10:29] <dholbach> hi jani, long time no see ;-)
[10:32] <jani> hello :)
[10:34] <dholbach> metalikop, cfv looks quite ok... i give it a test build
[10:35] <kent> It seems that Muin for a long time in Hoary will not install since its linked against libflac4, and libflac4 is not in Hoary. Does the Muin in Hoary need libflac4, or is it just a bug that it tries to compile to the wrong libflac?
[10:35] <metalikop> thx
[10:35] <dholbach> jani, metalikop, whiprush: i hope you understand, if i want to hear the opinion of another MOTU for the NEW packages, alright?
[10:35] <metalikop> sure
[10:37] <jani> dholbach :absolutely
[10:38] <whiprush> rock
[10:38] <dholbach> whiprush, i didnt look at them yet... i just wanted to make clear, i wouldnt decide on them on my own
[10:38] <whiprush> no problem, I'm not in a rush
[10:38] <dholbach> metalikop, in cfv: Standards-Version: >=3.6.1 (you should throw out ">=")
[10:39] <metalikop> k
[10:41] <metalikop> dholbach: re-uploaded
[10:43] <dholbach> metalikop, sorry: one more thing, use Build-Depends-Indep instead of Build-Depends to get rid of the last lintian-warning ("lintian -ci cfv_1.18.1-0ubuntu1.dsc" will show you, why)
[10:45] <dholbach> metalikop, apart from that: nice work - another test build and you'll have another package to tick off :-)
[11:06] <dholbach> metalikop, duplicity was fine - just uploaded it
[11:06] <dholbach> whiprush, i'll look after pysol, while metalikop gets cfv sorted
[11:07] <whiprush> ok.
[11:07] <whiprush> bbiab
[11:11] <dholbach> whiprush, you have no .orig.tar.gz - pysol*.dsc tells me something about pysol_4.82.1-2ubuntu1.tar.gz - you should get pysol_4.82.1.orig.tar.gz and   debuild -S   again
[11:12] <sivang> hey all
[11:12] <sivang> hi dholbach 
[11:12] <dholbach> hi sivan!
[11:12] <sivang> what's up?! ;-)
[11:12] <dholbach> sivang, reviewing packages ;-)
[11:12] <sivang> dholbach: an nice :)
[11:15] <sid77> ciao
[11:15] <dholbach> hi sid77 
[11:28] <metalikop> dholbach: new cfv up
[11:33] <bulio> does Ubuntu have any support for Usb Dsl modems?
[11:33] <dholbach> metalikop, looks good
[11:36] <metalikop> great.
[11:36] <bulio> does Ubuntu have any support for Usb Dsl modems?
[11:36] <bulio> oops nvm
[11:37] <metalikop> duplicity is awaiting checkout as well
[11:37] <metalikop> is waiting to be checked out
[11:37] <dholbach> bulio, /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-<kernel-version>/Documentation should tell you
[11:38] <bulio> well I'm going to use Ubuntu live for the moment
[11:38] <dholbach> metalikop, already uploaded it, it was good
[11:39] <metalikop> great
[11:41] <dholbach> metalikop, katie should get in touch with you :-)
[11:41] <metalikop> katie?
[11:41] <dholbach> metalikop, 2 packages to tick off - i wonder how much are still remaining
[11:43] <sivang> metalikop: katie is elmo's gf, she sends email back to people who uploaded pkgs IIRC :))
[11:43] <metalikop> ahhh
[11:43] <metalikop> :)
[11:44] <dholbach> metalikop: you should get mail from Ubuntu Installer <katie@jackass.warthogs.hbd.com>
[11:44] <dholbach> :-)
[11:45] <metalikop> i'll watch for it
[11:46] <ogra> dholbach: katie only talks to whitelisted guys ;)
[11:46] <dholbach> ogra, nope... then she's been untrue to you ;-)
[11:47] <dholbach> ogra, i got mails for "sponsored uploads" as well
[11:47] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Uploads
[11:47] <ogra> The archive scripts will only send mail (e.g. ACCEPT/REJECT notification) to a white-listed address.
[11:49] <dholbach> ogra, you remember, when you waited for an upload receipt, when you uploaded a package for me? 
[11:49] <ogra> dholbach: the "sponsored uploads" go to all whitelisted adresses
[11:49] <dholbach> i meant that mail - katie sends it as well
[11:49] <dholbach> oh damn... yes - he should be on hoary-changes then
[11:50] <ogra> dholbach: every MOTU/dev should ;)
[11:50] <ogra> #its essential
[11:50] <metalikop> i'm on hoary-changes
[11:51] <ogra> huh ?
[11:51] <ogra> what happened ? where i my log ?
[11:51] <ogra> is even *G*
[11:52] <metalikop> dholbach: lfm is waiting for you :)
[11:52] <ajmitch> dholbach: katie doesn't love me, she never sends me mail..
[11:52] <metalikop> same location dholbach 
[11:52] <ogra> ajmitch: so you are not whitelisted ?
[11:53] <ajmitch> ogra: I'm not sure, I use the address that I told elmo to whitelist
[11:53] <dholbach> metalikop, i give bluefish some loving
[11:53] <dholbach> metalikop, hope it won't take long
[11:53] <metalikop> no rush
[11:53] <ogra> ajmitch: upload@ubuntulinux.org ?
[11:53] <ajmitch> hm?
[11:54] <ogra> ajmitch: did you send it there ?
[11:54] <ajmitch> yep
[11:54] <ogra> ah, ok
[11:54] <ajmitch> iirc :)