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froudAfrican greetings08:02
maskiemorning froud how you08:10
froudmorning maskie, fine thanks and yourself08:10
maskiei am fine ... weather is just not that nice down here today ... 08:12
froudGreat morining here in JHB, not much Sun, but not cold08:12
froudBTW, I will be in Cape Town next week, from 23  - 2608:13
froudhoping for good weather08:13
froudfirst time in Cape Town08:14
maskiewe had great weather the last week and think it will be the same again the coming week 08:14
maskiewere will you be08:14
froudI will be staying in Bishops Court08:16
froudI have meetings in Mowbray and Stellenbosh08:17
maskienot a bad place to stay at all 08:17
froudSome B&B in the countryside08:17
maskieon the other side of the city from me08:18
froudwhere are you?08:18
maskiedo not think there is much countryside there08:18
maskienorthern suburbs ... durbanville/bellville area08:18
froudcountryside, a large estate, perhaps?08:19
maskieall the property in bishops court is massive ... all are large estates .. it is the most upmarket area in cape town08:20
froudDunno exact details as I did not make the booking, but the pictures look green :-)08:20
froudAh, Ha08:20
froudthat explains it then08:20
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maskieknow mark thatcher ... well he just sold his house there for 20 million08:20
froudYes he must pay mommy back :-)08:21
froudPoor Margret08:21
maskietrue ... but then i suppose he can affort it08:21
froud20 million, my home in JHB Northclif is worth 1.5 Million and I thought that was allot08:22
maskiei stay in sabdfl country ... were in northcliff do you stay .. high up on the ridge08:23
froudI wonder if he will ever be aloud to come back08:23
froudI mean his wife and kids left in a hurry08:23
maskiei am sure he will ... he is here often ...08:23
maskiehe say that he is busy looking for another house here08:24
froudfeel sorry for the kids having to leave school and stuff08:24
froudbut will the gov let him  back08:24
maskiei am sure ... he was in court yesterday again and answered all their questions and then said he is staying08:24
froudI dunno, but the whole mercenary story is a bit fishy if you ask me08:25
froudza and zim gov know more than they let on08:25
maskiei also think so ... but i think he made a deal with the gov when he pleaded guilty and paid the 3 mill08:25
froudyes, what I would do to be a fly on the wall08:26
frouddid you see that telkom is taking Helkom to crt08:27
froudShould be an interesting case08:29
froudan Pres. Mbeki has also been criticising them08:29
froudMaybe the pressure is starting08:30
froudany clug stuff on in CT or will everyone be up in JHB for the LPI exams?08:31
maskieyes .. the helkom thing is coming a long time already ... i think telkom though that helkom is going to cave in which they did not08:31
maskiehave no idea ... the clug scene down here is not that lifely08:31
froudYep. just the same up here08:32
froudbut I think many from CT are comming to JHB to do LPI exams over the period I will be down there08:32
froudSee Alan from AfriBiz is on Front Page of Computing SA08:32
froudGood for him, he has worked so hard08:33
maskieyes he has done a lot .. partular when the ICANN meeting was held down here in december08:33
froudGood bloke, we will be partnering this year08:34
froudworking on using Ubuntu from training GNU/Linux08:35
froudfrom = for08:35
maskiegood .... you have your own company right08:35
froudalways self employed. 08:35
froud:-) Don't get rich working for somebody else08:35
maskiesame here ... not always the same thing08:36
maskiesame = easy08:36
froudNo, it's not easy. But it was, everyone would be doing it08:36
maskieagree ....08:36
froudI have a few companies now08:36
froud2 in the tech sector and 3 in real-estate08:37
maskiewhat do you do in real-estate08:37
froudInvestment, sometimes buy-to-let, sometimes buy and sell, sometimes developments08:38
maskieok ...08:38
froudbut interest rate is to low for buy-to-let now08:38
froudso buying comercial prop08:38
maskieyes agree ... our next donald trump ... lol08:39
froudhe, he, just bought and old kresh near cresta for 200K08:39
froudwhat a bragain08:39
froudnow I am opening a child care business08:39
froud:-)08:39
maskiethat sound cheap08:39
maskieall your own children :)08:40
froudIt is, it should be worth 40008:40
froudyes I do have three, but no not for my children08:40
froudshould be interesting I never owned a kindergarten before08:40
maskiechild care is not the easiest thing to run .. probably a lot of regulations08:41
froudfortunately I dont run them, I get management, they get staff I just give the investment08:41
maskiejust make sure the management is good08:42
froudtwo business secrets: 1. process, 2. management08:42
froudget the process right and get the management who will keep to it08:42
maskieyes agree08:43
froudLuckily I    don't spend much time in that side. My side is the technology companies08:43
maskiebut it is good to be diversified08:43
froudAfter 2000 I was gonna giveup tech, but it's in my blood, I just can't do it08:44
maskieonce a techie always a techie :)08:44
froudyes, diversified is always good08:44
froudadict :-)08:44
maskiecurrently most of my working day is spend managing but i always come back and get my hands dirty with development stuff08:45
froudNeo always goes back to the src08:45
froudaaaargh! we're stuck in the matrix08:46
maskieyes ... 08:46
froudwe're kept in check by the program smith08:47
froudwas looking for smith08:47
froudpin smith: 08:47
froudpin smith: grepping /var/lib/pin/ARCHIVES.gz ... please wait08:47
froudpin smith: 08:47
froudpin smith: pin 0.30 - package info for smith08:47
froudpin smith: 08:47
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froudpin smith: *** no rpm named smith installed08:47
froudpin smith: ------------------------------------------------------------------08:47
froudpin smith: 08:47
froudpin smith: 08:47
froudpin smith: ------------------------------------------------------------------08:48
froudpin smith: *** zgrep smith /var/lib/pin/ARCHIVES.gz08:48
froudpin smith: ------------------------------------------------------------------08:48
froudpin smith: 08:48
froudpin smith: 08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-fonts-cyrillic-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/make-3.80-186.i586.rpm:        Paul Smith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-server-glx-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-Xvnc-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/cpp-3.3.4-11.i586.rpm:        Danny Smith <dannysmith@users.sourceforge.net>08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/coreutils-5.2.1-32.i586.rpm:        Randy Smith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-fonts-scalable-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-fonts-75dpi-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-libs-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-Mesa-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:48
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/vim-6.3-7.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1195 Oct  5 02:44 /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/smith.vim08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-server-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD2/suse/i586/avifile-0.7.38-212.i586.rpm:        Eugene Smith <divx@euro.ru>08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD2/suse/i586/vorbis-tools-1.0.1-88.i586.rpm:        Michael Smith <msmith@labyrinth.net.au>08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD2/suse/i586/gnome-themes-2.6.1-34.i586.rpm:        Suzanna Smith <suzanna.smith@sun.com>08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD2/suse/i586/gabber-0.8.7-745.i586.rpm:        Dave "DizzyD" Smith <dave@jabber.org>08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD3/suse/i586/gcc-3.3.4-11.i586.rpm:        Danny Smith <dannysmith@users.sourceforge.net>08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD3/suse/i586/xorg-x11-devel-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root              881 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/help/blacksmith.hlp08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root              256 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/icons/blacksmith-button.csi08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1024 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/icons/blacksmith0.csi08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1024 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/icons/blacksmith1.csi08:49
froudpin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1024 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/icons/blacksmith2.csi08:49
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froudHmm, interesting. each time I use that feature in Konversation, I get " Connection to Server irc.freenode.net lost."08:51
froudWell I guess it is a flood08:51
froudIt does the same thing in private channels08:52
froudI wonder why they developed it08:52
maskieit was .. see it was all suse stuff ... you not running ubuntu08:52
froudI have Ubuntu Hoary running on seperate box08:53
froud:-) But SuSE is my darling08:54
froudI want KDE08:54
maskiei see novell is busy with a road show here in sa08:54
froudso I installed a KDE on Ubuntu08:54
froudyes, 2nd of March08:54
froudher ein JHB08:54
maskie1st of march here in cape town08:54
froudHe he they will be busy08:55
maskiehow is kde on ubuntu .. imagine lots of rough edges08:55
maskieit is at a hotel here i have never heard off ... must still go find the place08:55
froudIt was a mind bender getting it to work and I just cant get it stable08:56
maskiehopefully they will give out some suse 9.2 cd's08:56
froudSo I have a disk for kubuntu and a disk for GNOME08:56
froudI the CDs early ;-)08:56
froudI get08:56
maskienice08:57
maskiewith my connection speed it is not worthwhile download the stuff08:57
froudyeah, it helps to do work for them. But I wish they had better budgets here in ZA :-)08:57
froudIf you want I will get you a copy and post it to you.08:58
froudOr better, I can make a copy and meet you between 23 -2608:58
froudAny other distro's you want08:58
maskienot to worry ... have  not got that many spare space to install it anyway at the moment08:58
froudI solved that problem by using removable HDD08:59
froudNow I have eight HDD's08:59
froudAll for one machine08:59
maskiewith the cheap cost of hard drives it is a good idea08:59
froudpull it out and zip a new one in, press the button and I have a new machine, yes very cheap and if you shop around you will find many reasonably sized disks going for duch food09:00
maskieyes ... is suse your primary os09:01
froudSure, since 8.009:01
froudstable and reliable09:02
froudHowever, Ubuntu is growing on me :-)09:02
maskieunfortunately i have to run windows a lot of the time since the companies i work with is mostly windows based09:02
froudI am working on a Hoary via VNC, perhaps you can work on Windows the same way :-)09:03
maskieyes suppose that will work ...09:04
froudI have the same problem. Companies use Windows for many of the projects I do. So I just use those removable HDDs and VNC09:04
froudBut geeze, I am starting to forget how to use Windows :-)09:05
froudWent to a GLUG meeting and asked how many people are actually using a GNU/Linux Desktop. 3 out of 10 people said they use Linux. All the rest used Windows :-)09:06
maskiei try to use product on widows which is also available on linux like openoffice, thunderbird, firefox ect so it makes things a bit easier09:06
froudHey, I must goo. Nice chatting with you again. B c'ing ya. Let me know ifyou want distro's I still have a few warty CD's if you are interested.09:07
maskiei have also have some still so it is ok ...09:08
froudI plan on taking them to CT to give them away09:08
froudok bye09:08
maskiecheers09:08
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unifiJust for everyone's information... warty does not install with the shuttle G4 case05:23
froudunifi: which system? 8500G05:40
unifiST61G4B05:41
unifiI tried to install it for 2 days 05:42
unifiand it would hang at the x86 free05:42
froudwhere does it fail? NVidia05:42
unifino setting up xserver05:43
froudHave you tried it with Hoary?05:44
unifiyes that is what worked05:45
froudthe x.org is good05:46
unifioh ok05:46
unifiwell now I am having usb detection problems05:46
unifiany suggestions on that side?05:46
froudThe kernel modules installed?05:47
unifisorry a bit of a newbie... kernel modules?05:47
froudthe new grepmap stuff has worked on oall my test boxes05:47
froudwhich kernel did you use, the default one or a custom05:48
froudthe default one has what you need05:48
froudotherwise check your BIOS settings05:48
unifihmmm I just downloaded the latest hoary05:48
unifiand that seemed to work05:49
froudthen you used the default05:49
froudeverything cool user the BIOS?05:49
unifione other problem now is that tat when restarting the computer freezes up at starting hotplug system05:49
unifiI think so..05:49
unifiseems like it05:50
froudgo into BIOS and switch off ACPI. It's the source of many problems05:50
froudyou can also try boot with option linux acpi=off05:50
unifisorry for my newbieness... what is acpi?05:51
unifiwaht does that do?05:51
froudacpi is the power control system05:51
froudI had to tun it off to get hoary to work05:51
froudwell not hoary, but warty05:51
froudhowever, I noticed similar problems on hoary when I re enabled it05:52
froudacpi is a problem on most distros05:52
froudunifi: r u gonna contribute to the docs. we could use some help?05:53
froud:-)05:53
unifiha I would love to05:54
froudcool, where would you like to start?05:55
unifiwhere can I start?05:56
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unifiwell if I can figure out my usb problem05:56
unifiok05:56
froudWe are currently working on the Quick Guide05:56
froudWhen you are ready checkout http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam05:57
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abellidoes someone of you ppl know, if libdvdcss is illegal in europe?06:33
enricoabelli: depends on which state06:36
abelliitaly, uk, france, spain, germany06:36
abellii thought we were one06:37
abellii mean im not paying an icecream, 2 euros while before were about 1500 lire, for nothing06:37
abellis/were/was06:37
enricoabelli: you pay that more so that the police is more efficient to check you06:38
abelliahh..06:38
abellibut what if you read on the newspaper, as i did today,06:38
abellithat tim has run out of slots in Amanda 06:38
abelli[the new interception thing] 06:38
abellibecause the police tried to intercept calls coming from more than the 5000 allowed06:39
enricothen it means that the price of icecreams is going to go up again06:39
abellibut i really think that price(amanda)<price(totalslots)-price(5000slots)06:39
abelliso someone is tricking me: i want my money back, or just more icecream next time im going to have one06:40
abellienrico: so is it illegal in italy?06:42
enricoabelli: yes06:43
abelliwhy?06:43
enricoabelli: any circumventing of any protection device is06:43
enricoabelli: you can't open a door even if it's unlocked, because that's intended to be a protection device06:43
abellimmm... my xbox is not illegal?!06:43
abelliwell... lets make it clear I DIDNT PAY IT...06:44
abellithey were broken and we just recovered the situation06:44
abellienrico: are you sure?06:45
enricoabelli: italian reception of EUCD.  It's also illegal to explain how to circumvent things, so crypto course are kind of controversial now06:46
abellithey teach reverse engineering at the university..06:47
abellioohhhh..06:47
abellimy...06:47
enricocrypto teaches how to make codes and how to break them06:47
enricoif you can't break them, you can't make them06:47
abelliso if my girlfriend writes "protection devices" on her panties...mmm..06:48
enricoeh06:49
enricoBut if they are jeans, you can rape her06:49
abelliyeah.. i remember it..06:49
abellibut what if it, as she normally do, wear them underneath jeans06:50
abelli*s06:50
abellis/it /she/06:51
abelli...lots of mistakes06:51
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froudenrico: I have finished for today. I think I updated the status of all nodes. I managed to add some new texts and review the texts from Jeff.08:42
enricofroud: oh, cool!08:43
enricoI'm building a new tarball for Mako08:43
froudcool, still not automated hey;-)08:43
enricoeh08:43
froudOK bye08:44
froud c ya tomorrow08:45
enricoEHI08:45
enricowhy is that blue on orange??08:45
froudI want to close this thing best we can before freeze. I will be away 23 -2608:45
froudjust testing toys08:46
enricocute :)08:46
abellifroud: sup yo?08:46
froud will be in Capte Town from 23 - 26 a bit of business and a break :-)08:46
froudabelli: you stil alive08:47
abellifroud: not sure08:47
froudhow's mamma and pappa :-)08:47
abelliwell mamma is ok08:47
abelliand i had steak and vegetables tonite08:47
froudah and papa is also happy08:48
abelliyeah, or so it seems08:48
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froudabelli try something for me08:50
froudadd '' to the start of a line08:50
froudoops08:50
froudhow to escape in irc08:51
froud\08:51
abelli''sup08:51
abelli\'' sup08:51
enrico\cippolippo abc08:51
froud ok do % then C2 then comma the 1308:51
froudthen write some text08:51
abelli%c2,1308:51
froudC not c08:52
abelli%c2,13 cippo lippo08:52
abelli%C2,13 cippo lippo08:52
enrico\e asfd08:52
froudHmm I dont see colors08:52
enrico[c2,13m08:53
froudYou run irssi v0.8.10-rc5 - running on Linux i68608:53
frouddoes it enable IRC colors08:53
abellino idea08:53
abellibut yes08:53
abellii can see your broken-pink writings08:53
froud cool I am just playing with all the new stuff in Konversat08:54
abelliKDE is not allowed in here 08:54
froud wicked IRC colors08:54
froudKDE rules08:54
abelliroooarrrrr08:54
froudwoof08:55
abellieverybuddy jumping08:56
froudsomebody needs to invent Paper, Rock, Scissors for IRC08:56
abelliis just the sound a particular kind of animal08:56
abelliwow... so you have it?08:56
froudthat way we will have a way to settle our differences08:56
froud:-)08:56
abelliwho's the cheeky unemployed who translated it08:56
froudOh is there such a thing08:57
abelliyes08:57
froudwhere can I get it08:57
abelliwe can also "bim bum bam" if you want08:57
froudwe need to install it here08:57
froudbim = ?08:58
abellido you mean a script..08:58
abelliok... we can do it...08:58
froudyes08:58
abelliin Ruby [<=Kinnison  obviously] 08:58
froudgreat fun in deciding who is the winner08:58
froudKDE or GNOME08:58
abelliif only our master and only lord enrico allows it08:58
abellino no..08:58
abelliat most gnome or Ion 08:59
abellior gnome or blackbox08:59
froudhe who must be obeyed08:59
froudhe he konversation has a url catcher09:00
froudit catches URLs in the channel in a new window09:00
froudcool09:00
froudand it now has a remember line09:00
froudit inserts a colored line in the channel so you can remember a spot09:01
abelliKonversation is B0rk3d... 09:01
abellidoes it remind you about this09:01
abelli?09:01
froudwhat is B0rk3d.09:02
abelliKonversation09:02
abelli..09:02
abelliborked09:02
froudborked09:04
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froudhe he auto spell check too09:04
abelliits normal when you use kde09:04
froudcool09:04
froudyep kde rocks so configurable 09:05
abellimmm.. yeah with all those useless utilities:)09:05
froudand XIM input method09:05
abelliobviously the great invention after the lighter09:05
froudI love my computer I like to make her look beautiful09:06
froudKDE got the look09:06
abellieven enlightment..09:06
abellixfce..09:06
abelliand gnome obviously09:06
froudOneday ubuntu will ascend to the point where it has KDE :-)09:07
froudKDM is fine thanks09:07
abellioneday, berlusconi will be italian prime minister...09:07
abelliooops he already is09:07
abellisomething must be really wrong09:07
froudgimme a K (K), gimme a D (D), gimme a E (E). What do ya got? K D E09:10
froudb c'ing ya09:10
abellithis is so so so so wrong09:11
froudjealously gets you nowhere, coming to KDE does :-)09:12
abelliback in the 90s?09:12
froudI must go, nice chatting non-sense with you again. keep well09:12
abelliwith windows 9509:12
abelli?09:12
abellifroud: all the best to you09:12
abelliciao09:12
froudwelcome to the future, with KDE09:12
abelliehehe..09:13
abelliwelcome back to the future, with KDE09:13
abellidate: january 21th, 188709:13
enricochildren... be good... this channel has a public log... :)09:13
abellisorry Lord09:14
abellihave a good life until we catch up again09:14
abelliim off ciao09:16
abelliAnd the only sound thats left09:16
abelliAfter the ambulances go09:16
abelliIs cinderella sweeping up09:16
abelliOn desolation row09:16
sivangenrico: Hi!11:12

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