[08:02] <froud> African greetings
[08:10] <maskie> morning froud how you
[08:10] <froud> morning maskie, fine thanks and yourself
[08:12] <maskie> i am fine ... weather is just not that nice down here today ... 
[08:12] <froud> Great morining here in JHB, not much Sun, but not cold
[08:13] <froud> BTW, I will be in Cape Town next week, from 23  - 26
[08:13] <froud> hoping for good weather
[08:14] <froud> first time in Cape Town
[08:14] <maskie> we had great weather the last week and think it will be the same again the coming week 
[08:14] <maskie> were will you be
[08:16] <froud> I will be staying in Bishops Court
[08:17] <froud> I have meetings in Mowbray and Stellenbosh
[08:17] <maskie> not a bad place to stay at all 
[08:17] <froud> Some B&B in the countryside
[08:18] <maskie> on the other side of the city from me
[08:18] <froud> where are you?
[08:18] <maskie> do not think there is much countryside there
[08:18] <maskie> northern suburbs ... durbanville/bellville area
[08:19] <froud> countryside, a large estate, perhaps?
[08:20] <maskie> all the property in bishops court is massive ... all are large estates .. it is the most upmarket area in cape town
[08:20] <froud> Dunno exact details as I did not make the booking, but the pictures look green :-)
[08:20] <froud> Ah, Ha
[08:20] <froud> that explains it then
[08:20] <maskie> know mark thatcher ... well he just sold his house there for 20 million
[08:21] <froud> Yes he must pay mommy back :-)
[08:21] <froud> Poor Margret
[08:21] <maskie> true ... but then i suppose he can affort it
[08:22] <froud> 20 million, my home in JHB Northclif is worth 1.5 Million and I thought that was allot
[08:23] <maskie> i stay in sabdfl country ... were in northcliff do you stay .. high up on the ridge
[08:23] <froud> I wonder if he will ever be aloud to come back
[08:23] <froud> I mean his wife and kids left in a hurry
[08:23] <maskie> i am sure he will ... he is here often ...
[08:24] <maskie> he say that he is busy looking for another house here
[08:24] <froud> feel sorry for the kids having to leave school and stuff
[08:24] <froud> but will the gov let him  back
[08:24] <maskie> i am sure ... he was in court yesterday again and answered all their questions and then said he is staying
[08:25] <froud> I dunno, but the whole mercenary story is a bit fishy if you ask me
[08:25] <froud> za and zim gov know more than they let on
[08:25] <maskie> i also think so ... but i think he made a deal with the gov when he pleaded guilty and paid the 3 mill
[08:26] <froud> yes, what I would do to be a fly on the wall
[08:27] <froud> did you see that telkom is taking Helkom to crt
[08:29] <froud> Should be an interesting case
[08:29] <froud> an Pres. Mbeki has also been criticising them
[08:30] <froud> Maybe the pressure is starting
[08:31] <froud> any clug stuff on in CT or will everyone be up in JHB for the LPI exams?
[08:31] <maskie> yes .. the helkom thing is coming a long time already ... i think telkom though that helkom is going to cave in which they did not
[08:31] <maskie> have no idea ... the clug scene down here is not that lifely
[08:32] <froud> Yep. just the same up here
[08:32] <froud> but I think many from CT are comming to JHB to do LPI exams over the period I will be down there
[08:32] <froud> See Alan from AfriBiz is on Front Page of Computing SA
[08:33] <froud> Good for him, he has worked so hard
[08:33] <maskie> yes he has done a lot .. partular when the ICANN meeting was held down here in december
[08:34] <froud> Good bloke, we will be partnering this year
[08:35] <froud> working on using Ubuntu from training GNU/Linux
[08:35] <froud> from = for
[08:35] <maskie> good .... you have your own company right
[08:35] <froud> always self employed. 
[08:35] <froud> :-) Don't get rich working for somebody else
[08:36] <maskie> same here ... not always the same thing
[08:36] <maskie> same = easy
[08:36] <froud> No, it's not easy. But it was, everyone would be doing it
[08:36] <maskie> agree ....
[08:36] <froud> I have a few companies now
[08:37] <froud> 2 in the tech sector and 3 in real-estate
[08:37] <maskie> what do you do in real-estate
[08:38] <froud> Investment, sometimes buy-to-let, sometimes buy and sell, sometimes developments
[08:38] <maskie> ok ...
[08:38] <froud> but interest rate is to low for buy-to-let now
[08:38] <froud> so buying comercial prop
[08:39] <maskie> yes agree ... our next donald trump ... lol
[08:39] <froud> he, he, just bought and old kresh near cresta for 200K
[08:39] <froud> what a bragain
[08:39] <froud> now I am opening a child care business
[08:39] <froud> :-)
[08:39] <maskie> that sound cheap
[08:40] <maskie> all your own children :)
[08:40] <froud> It is, it should be worth 400
[08:40] <froud> yes I do have three, but no not for my children
[08:40] <froud> should be interesting I never owned a kindergarten before
[08:41] <maskie> child care is not the easiest thing to run .. probably a lot of regulations
[08:41] <froud> fortunately I dont run them, I get management, they get staff I just give the investment
[08:42] <maskie> just make sure the management is good
[08:42] <froud> two business secrets: 1. process, 2. management
[08:42] <froud> get the process right and get the management who will keep to it
[08:43] <maskie> yes agree
[08:43] <froud> Luckily I    don't spend much time in that side. My side is the technology companies
[08:43] <maskie> but it is good to be diversified
[08:44] <froud> After 2000 I was gonna giveup tech, but it's in my blood, I just can't do it
[08:44] <maskie> once a techie always a techie :)
[08:44] <froud> yes, diversified is always good
[08:44] <froud> adict :-)
[08:45] <maskie> currently most of my working day is spend managing but i always come back and get my hands dirty with development stuff
[08:45] <froud> Neo always goes back to the src
[08:46] <froud> aaaargh! we're stuck in the matrix
[08:46] <maskie> yes ... 
[08:47] <froud> we're kept in check by the program smith
[08:47] <froud> was looking for smith
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: 
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: grepping /var/lib/pin/ARCHIVES.gz ... please wait
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: 
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: pin 0.30 - package info for smith
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: 
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: ------------------------------------------------------------------
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: *** no rpm named smith installed
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: ------------------------------------------------------------------
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: 
[08:47] <froud> pin smith: 
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ------------------------------------------------------------------
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: *** zgrep smith /var/lib/pin/ARCHIVES.gz
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ------------------------------------------------------------------
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: 
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: 
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-fonts-cyrillic-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/make-3.80-186.i586.rpm:        Paul Smith
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-server-glx-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-Xvnc-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/cpp-3.3.4-11.i586.rpm:        Danny Smith <dannysmith@users.sourceforge.net>
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/coreutils-5.2.1-32.i586.rpm:        Randy Smith
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-fonts-scalable-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-fonts-75dpi-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-libs-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:48] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-Mesa-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/vim-6.3-7.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1195 Oct  5 02:44 /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/smith.vim
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD1/suse/i586/xorg-x11-server-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD2/suse/i586/avifile-0.7.38-212.i586.rpm:        Eugene Smith <divx@euro.ru>
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD2/suse/i586/vorbis-tools-1.0.1-88.i586.rpm:        Michael Smith <msmith@labyrinth.net.au>
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD2/suse/i586/gnome-themes-2.6.1-34.i586.rpm:        Suzanna Smith <suzanna.smith@sun.com>
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD2/suse/i586/gabber-0.8.7-745.i586.rpm:        Dave "DizzyD" Smith <dave@jabber.org>
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD3/suse/i586/gcc-3.3.4-11.i586.rpm:        Danny Smith <dannysmith@users.sourceforge.net>
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD3/suse/i586/xorg-x11-devel-6.8.1-15.i586.rpm:        Alan Coopersmith
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root              881 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/help/blacksmith.hlp
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root              256 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/icons/blacksmith-button.csi
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1024 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/icons/blacksmith0.csi
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1024 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/icons/blacksmith1.csi
[08:49] <froud> pin smith: ./CD4/suse/i586/lincity-1.12.0-67.i586.rpm:    -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1024 Oct  5 01:56 /usr/share/lincity/icons/blacksmith2.csi
[08:51] <froud> Hmm, interesting. each time I use that feature in Konversation, I get " Connection to Server irc.freenode.net lost."
[08:51] <froud> Well I guess it is a flood
[08:52] <froud> It does the same thing in private channels
[08:52] <froud> I wonder why they developed it
[08:52] <maskie> it was .. see it was all suse stuff ... you not running ubuntu
[08:53] <froud> I have Ubuntu Hoary running on seperate box
[08:54] <froud> :-) But SuSE is my darling
[08:54] <froud> I want KDE
[08:54] <maskie> i see novell is busy with a road show here in sa
[08:54] <froud> so I installed a KDE on Ubuntu
[08:54] <froud> yes, 2nd of March
[08:54] <froud> her ein JHB
[08:54] <maskie> 1st of march here in cape town
[08:55] <froud> He he they will be busy
[08:55] <maskie> how is kde on ubuntu .. imagine lots of rough edges
[08:55] <maskie> it is at a hotel here i have never heard off ... must still go find the place
[08:56] <froud> It was a mind bender getting it to work and I just cant get it stable
[08:56] <maskie> hopefully they will give out some suse 9.2 cd's
[08:56] <froud> So I have a disk for kubuntu and a disk for GNOME
[08:56] <froud> I the CDs early ;-)
[08:56] <froud> I get
[08:57] <maskie> nice
[08:57] <maskie> with my connection speed it is not worthwhile download the stuff
[08:57] <froud> yeah, it helps to do work for them. But I wish they had better budgets here in ZA :-)
[08:58] <froud> If you want I will get you a copy and post it to you.
[08:58] <froud> Or better, I can make a copy and meet you between 23 -26
[08:58] <froud> Any other distro's you want
[08:58] <maskie> not to worry ... have  not got that many spare space to install it anyway at the moment
[08:59] <froud> I solved that problem by using removable HDD
[08:59] <froud> Now I have eight HDD's
[08:59] <froud> All for one machine
[08:59] <maskie> with the cheap cost of hard drives it is a good idea
[09:00] <froud> pull it out and zip a new one in, press the button and I have a new machine, yes very cheap and if you shop around you will find many reasonably sized disks going for duch food
[09:01] <maskie> yes ... is suse your primary os
[09:01] <froud> Sure, since 8.0
[09:02] <froud> stable and reliable
[09:02] <froud> However, Ubuntu is growing on me :-)
[09:02] <maskie> unfortunately i have to run windows a lot of the time since the companies i work with is mostly windows based
[09:03] <froud> I am working on a Hoary via VNC, perhaps you can work on Windows the same way :-)
[09:04] <maskie> yes suppose that will work ...
[09:04] <froud> I have the same problem. Companies use Windows for many of the projects I do. So I just use those removable HDDs and VNC
[09:05] <froud> But geeze, I am starting to forget how to use Windows :-)
[09:06] <froud> Went to a GLUG meeting and asked how many people are actually using a GNU/Linux Desktop. 3 out of 10 people said they use Linux. All the rest used Windows :-)
[09:06] <maskie> i try to use product on widows which is also available on linux like openoffice, thunderbird, firefox ect so it makes things a bit easier
[09:07] <froud> Hey, I must goo. Nice chatting with you again. B c'ing ya. Let me know ifyou want distro's I still have a few warty CD's if you are interested.
[09:08] <maskie> i have also have some still so it is ok ...
[09:08] <froud> I plan on taking them to CT to give them away
[09:08] <froud> ok bye
[09:08] <maskie> cheers
[05:23] <unifi> Just for everyone's information... warty does not install with the shuttle G4 case
[05:40] <froud> unifi: which system? 8500G
[05:41] <unifi> ST61G4B
[05:42] <unifi> I tried to install it for 2 days 
[05:42] <unifi> and it would hang at the x86 free
[05:42] <froud> where does it fail? NVidia
[05:43] <unifi> no setting up xserver
[05:44] <froud> Have you tried it with Hoary?
[05:45] <unifi> yes that is what worked
[05:46] <froud> the x.org is good
[05:46] <unifi> oh ok
[05:46] <unifi> well now I am having usb detection problems
[05:46] <unifi> any suggestions on that side?
[05:47] <froud> The kernel modules installed?
[05:47] <unifi> sorry a bit of a newbie... kernel modules?
[05:47] <froud> the new grepmap stuff has worked on oall my test boxes
[05:48] <froud> which kernel did you use, the default one or a custom
[05:48] <froud> the default one has what you need
[05:48] <froud> otherwise check your BIOS settings
[05:48] <unifi> hmmm I just downloaded the latest hoary
[05:49] <unifi> and that seemed to work
[05:49] <froud> then you used the default
[05:49] <froud> everything cool user the BIOS?
[05:49] <unifi> one other problem now is that tat when restarting the computer freezes up at starting hotplug system
[05:49] <unifi> I think so..
[05:50] <unifi> seems like it
[05:50] <froud> go into BIOS and switch off ACPI. It's the source of many problems
[05:50] <froud> you can also try boot with option linux acpi=off
[05:51] <unifi> sorry for my newbieness... what is acpi?
[05:51] <unifi> waht does that do?
[05:51] <froud> acpi is the power control system
[05:51] <froud> I had to tun it off to get hoary to work
[05:51] <froud> well not hoary, but warty
[05:52] <froud> however, I noticed similar problems on hoary when I re enabled it
[05:52] <froud> acpi is a problem on most distros
[05:53] <froud> unifi: r u gonna contribute to the docs. we could use some help?
[05:53] <froud> :-)
[05:54] <unifi> ha I would love to
[05:55] <froud> cool, where would you like to start?
[05:56] <unifi> where can I start?
[05:56] <unifi> well if I can figure out my usb problem
[05:56] <unifi> ok
[05:56] <froud> We are currently working on the Quick Guide
[05:57] <froud> When you are ready checkout http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam
[06:33] <abelli> does someone of you ppl know, if libdvdcss is illegal in europe?
[06:36] <enrico> abelli: depends on which state
[06:36] <abelli> italy, uk, france, spain, germany
[06:37] <abelli> i thought we were one
[06:37] <abelli> i mean im not paying an icecream, 2 euros while before were about 1500 lire, for nothing
[06:37] <abelli> s/were/was
[06:38] <enrico> abelli: you pay that more so that the police is more efficient to check you
[06:38] <abelli> ahh..
[06:38] <abelli> but what if you read on the newspaper, as i did today,
[06:38] <abelli> that tim has run out of slots in Amanda 
[06:38] <abelli> [the new interception thing] 
[06:39] <abelli> because the police tried to intercept calls coming from more than the 5000 allowed
[06:39] <enrico> then it means that the price of icecreams is going to go up again
[06:39] <abelli> but i really think that price(amanda)<price(totalslots)-price(5000slots)
[06:40] <abelli> so someone is tricking me: i want my money back, or just more icecream next time im going to have one
[06:42] <abelli> enrico: so is it illegal in italy?
[06:43] <enrico> abelli: yes
[06:43] <abelli> why?
[06:43] <enrico> abelli: any circumventing of any protection device is
[06:43] <enrico> abelli: you can't open a door even if it's unlocked, because that's intended to be a protection device
[06:43] <abelli> mmm... my xbox is not illegal?!
[06:44] <abelli> well... lets make it clear I DIDNT PAY IT...
[06:44] <abelli> they were broken and we just recovered the situation
[06:45] <abelli> enrico: are you sure?
[06:46] <enrico> abelli: italian reception of EUCD.  It's also illegal to explain how to circumvent things, so crypto course are kind of controversial now
[06:47] <abelli> they teach reverse engineering at the university..
[06:47] <abelli> oohhhh..
[06:47] <abelli> my...
[06:47] <enrico> crypto teaches how to make codes and how to break them
[06:47] <enrico> if you can't break them, you can't make them
[06:48] <abelli> so if my girlfriend writes "protection devices" on her panties...mmm..
[06:49] <enrico> eh
[06:49] <enrico> But if they are jeans, you can rape her
[06:49] <abelli> yeah.. i remember it..
[06:50] <abelli> but what if it, as she normally do, wear them underneath jeans
[06:50] <abelli> *s
[06:51] <abelli> s/it /she/
[06:51] <abelli> ...lots of mistakes
[08:42] <froud> enrico: I have finished for today. I think I updated the status of all nodes. I managed to add some new texts and review the texts from Jeff.
[08:43] <enrico> froud: oh, cool!
[08:43] <enrico> I'm building a new tarball for Mako
[08:43] <froud> cool, still not automated hey;-)
[08:43] <enrico> eh
[08:44] <froud> OK bye
[08:45] <froud>  c ya tomorrow
[08:45] <enrico> EHI
[08:45] <enrico> why is that blue on orange??
[08:45] <froud> I want to close this thing best we can before freeze. I will be away 23 -26
[08:46] <froud> just testing toys
[08:46] <enrico> cute :)
[08:46] <abelli> froud: sup yo?
[08:46] <froud>  will be in Capte Town from 23 - 26 a bit of business and a break :-)
[08:47] <froud> abelli: you stil alive
[08:47] <abelli> froud: not sure
[08:47] <froud> how's mamma and pappa :-)
[08:47] <abelli> well mamma is ok
[08:47] <abelli> and i had steak and vegetables tonite
[08:48] <froud> ah and papa is also happy
[08:48] <abelli> yeah, or so it seems
[08:50] <froud> abelli try something for me
[08:50] <froud> add '' to the start of a line
[08:50] <froud> oops
[08:51] <froud> how to escape in irc
[08:51] <froud> \
[08:51] <abelli> ''sup
[08:51] <abelli> \'' sup
[08:51] <enrico> \cippolippo abc
[08:51] <froud>  ok do % then C2 then comma the 13
[08:51] <froud> then write some text
[08:51] <abelli> %c2,13
[08:52] <froud> C not c
[08:52] <abelli> %c2,13 cippo lippo
[08:52] <abelli> %C2,13 cippo lippo
[08:52] <enrico> \e asfd
[08:52] <froud> Hmm I dont see colors
[08:53] <enrico> [c2,13m
[08:53] <froud> You run irssi v0.8.10-rc5 - running on Linux i686
[08:53] <froud> does it enable IRC colors
[08:53] <abelli> no idea
[08:53] <abelli> but yes
[08:53] <abelli> i can see your broken-pink writings
[08:54] <froud>  cool I am just playing with all the new stuff in Konversat
[08:54] <abelli> KDE is not allowed in here 
[08:54] <froud>  wicked IRC colors
[08:54] <froud> KDE rules
[08:54] <abelli> roooarrrrr
[08:55] <froud> woof
[08:56] <abelli> everybuddy jumping
[08:56] <froud> somebody needs to invent Paper, Rock, Scissors for IRC
[08:56] <abelli> is just the sound a particular kind of animal
[08:56] <abelli> wow... so you have it?
[08:56] <froud> that way we will have a way to settle our differences
[08:56] <froud> :-)
[08:56] <abelli> who's the cheeky unemployed who translated it
[08:57] <froud> Oh is there such a thing
[08:57] <abelli> yes
[08:57] <froud> where can I get it
[08:57] <abelli> we can also "bim bum bam" if you want
[08:57] <froud> we need to install it here
[08:58] <froud> bim = ?
[08:58] <abelli> do you mean a script..
[08:58] <abelli> ok... we can do it...
[08:58] <froud> yes
[08:58] <abelli> in Ruby [<=Kinnison  obviously] 
[08:58] <froud> great fun in deciding who is the winner
[08:58] <froud> KDE or GNOME
[08:58] <abelli> if only our master and only lord enrico allows it
[08:58] <abelli> no no..
[08:59] <abelli> at most gnome or Ion 
[08:59] <abelli> or gnome or blackbox
[08:59] <froud> he who must be obeyed
[09:00] <froud> he he konversation has a url catcher
[09:00] <froud> it catches URLs in the channel in a new window
[09:00] <froud> cool
[09:00] <froud> and it now has a remember line
[09:01] <froud> it inserts a colored line in the channel so you can remember a spot
[09:01] <abelli> Konversation is B0rk3d... 
[09:01] <abelli> does it remind you about this
[09:01] <abelli> ?
[09:02] <froud> what is B0rk3d.
[09:02] <abelli> Konversation
[09:02] <abelli> ..
[09:02] <abelli> borked
[09:04] <froud> borked
[09:04] <froud> he he auto spell check too
[09:04] <abelli> its normal when you use kde
[09:04] <froud> cool
[09:05] <froud> yep kde rocks so configurable 
[09:05] <abelli> mmm.. yeah with all those useless utilities:)
[09:05] <froud> and XIM input method
[09:05] <abelli> obviously the great invention after the lighter
[09:06] <froud> I love my computer I like to make her look beautiful
[09:06] <froud> KDE got the look
[09:06] <abelli> even enlightment..
[09:06] <abelli> xfce..
[09:06] <abelli> and gnome obviously
[09:07] <froud> Oneday ubuntu will ascend to the point where it has KDE :-)
[09:07] <froud> KDM is fine thanks
[09:07] <abelli> oneday, berlusconi will be italian prime minister...
[09:07] <abelli> ooops he already is
[09:07] <abelli> something must be really wrong
[09:10] <froud> gimme a K (K), gimme a D (D), gimme a E (E). What do ya got? K D E
[09:10] <froud> b c'ing ya
[09:11] <abelli> this is so so so so wrong
[09:12] <froud> jealously gets you nowhere, coming to KDE does :-)
[09:12] <abelli> back in the 90s?
[09:12] <froud> I must go, nice chatting non-sense with you again. keep well
[09:12] <abelli> with windows 95
[09:12] <abelli> ?
[09:12] <abelli> froud: all the best to you
[09:12] <abelli> ciao
[09:12] <froud> welcome to the future, with KDE
[09:13] <abelli> ehehe..
[09:13] <abelli> welcome back to the future, with KDE
[09:13] <abelli> date: january 21th, 1887
[09:13] <enrico> children... be good... this channel has a public log... :)
[09:14] <abelli> sorry Lord
[09:14] <abelli> have a good life until we catch up again
[09:16] <abelli> im off ciao
[09:16] <abelli> And the only sound thats left
[09:16] <abelli> After the ambulances go
[09:16] <abelli> Is cinderella sweeping up
[09:16] <abelli> On desolation row
[11:12] <sivang> enrico: Hi!