[12:00] <balor> carajean: I think there may be a bug in the current Hoary kernel...I'm in the same state as you.  Hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
[12:00] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, that would explain why it doesn't work
[12:00] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: i was thinking now about installing another kernel
[12:00] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: indeed
[12:00] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, have you upgraded your system ?
[12:00] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: had the EXACT same problem with warty
[12:00] <carajean> oh ok so no sound for a while just great
[12:00] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, the packages i mean not to hoary
[12:00] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: no, installed hoary fresh
[12:00] <carajean> im depressed i must eat now brb
[12:00] <Panzerboy> i just wanted to give it a try
[12:01] <Panzerboy> but the ntfs partition is ok
[12:01] <mcphail> Panzerboy: ntfs is a black art
[12:01] <Panzerboy> because from mandrake 10.1 official it worked, also the copying and, obviously the playing
[12:01] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, you have a knoppix cd kicking around so you can try copying a file or 2 to your /home directory
[12:01] <Panzerboy> so i've never had such a problem before
[12:02] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: as i said above, from mandrake it worked
[12:02] <Panzerboy> so i suspect an issue with the kernel
[12:02] <mcphail> Panzerboy: what was your /etc/fstab entry from mandrake. Was it the same as it is now?
[12:02] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, how is the drive mounted what does mount output for the ntfs drive ?
[12:03] <Panzerboy> mcphail: yes
[12:03] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/big type ntfs (rw,umask=0222)
[12:04] <Panzerboy> i've mounted with mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/big -o umask=0222
[12:04] <shadeofgrey> mcphail:  desktop doesnt have a pref's tab beneath it.  theres a prefs tab at the same lervel as desktop under nautilis but neither contain anything called use browser
[12:05] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: did you install warty?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> if so it's under Edit-Preferences-Behaviour-  in nautilus itself
[12:06] <mcphail> shadeofgrey: warty or hoary?
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> i goy it thanks mcphail
[12:06] <mcphail> shadeofgrey: np
[12:07] <shadeofgrey> now i need help installing the nvidia drivers..  heres what i need to know - how do i shut down the xserver so i can run it?
[12:07] <Panzerboy> well
[12:07] <aroman> can anyone recommend me a filesystem that has really fast read/write speeds?
[12:07] <nomasteryoda> lol
[12:07] <Panzerboy> i think i'll go to bed now
[12:07] <Panzerboy> :)
[12:07] <mjr> shadeofgrey, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:07] <aroman> shadeofgrey, or just killall X :P
[12:08] <Panzerboy> thanks guys
[12:08] <aroman> though mjr's way is preferred
[12:08] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, that looks ok maybe it's a bug in the kernel module
[12:08] <nomasteryoda> cleaner
[12:08] <mcphail> Panzerboy: gn
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> i typethat in terminal?
[12:08] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: i also suspect that
[12:08] <nomasteryoda> yup
[12:08] <nomasteryoda> any terminal
[12:08] <Panzerboy> LinuxJones: but then again, tomorrow is another day :)
[12:09] <LinuxJones> Panzerboy, :)
[12:09] <Panzerboy> bye
[12:09] <shadeofgrey> will it shut down all the apps i have running right now?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> yup
[12:09] <nomasteryoda> yes
[12:10] <thoreauputic> any X apps will die
[12:10] <nomasteryoda> will be rebooting here... applying kernel patches
[12:10] <nomasteryoda> later
[12:12] <TheBanished> im looking cool wallpaper for my fresh linux anyone have idea ?
[12:13] <aroman> what filesystems are you ppl using for /?
[12:13] <thoreauputic> ext3
[12:13] <TheBanished> ext3
[12:13] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[12:13] <I_Need_Help666> how do I install a Gnome (GTK) theme in ubuntu
[12:13] <aroman> hm
[12:14] <aroman> I use reiserfs...
[12:14] <FR500> like all gnome themes
[12:14] <I_Need_Help666> i downloaded the tar
[12:14] <I_Need_Help666> i do not know how tho
[12:14] <FR500> www.gnome.org
[12:14] <FR500> i dont remember now
[12:14] <aroman> I_Need_Help666, open up the theme selection dialog
[12:14] <thoreauputic> I_Need_Help666: put it in .themes in your home directory
[12:14] <FR500> but it's easy
[12:14] <aroman> then select install theme
[12:15] <thoreauputic> yes the graphical way is easier
[12:15] <FR500> what means array4
[12:15] <aroman> doesn't work for icons though :(
[12:15] <thoreauputic> you can even drag it onto the dialogue
[12:15] <aroman> thoreauputic, even nicer :)
[12:15] <thoreauputic> .icons for icons
[12:15] <FR500> correct question, what does array 4 mean
[12:15] <FR500> ?
[12:15] <aroman> I just installed ubuntu last night and it's pretty cool... it's like debian on steroids.. hehe I had gentoo until last night...
[12:16] <I_Need_Help666> never mind I figured out, Desktop>Themes
[12:16] <I_Need_Help666> thanks for the help anyways :D i appreciate it
[12:16] <FR500> lol
[12:16] <junit> I tried Gentoo,
[12:16] <junit> couldn't install it, figures
[12:16] <aroman> junit, well it doesn't have an installer... you have to do it yourself
[12:16] <junit> lol, i know that
[12:16] <thoreauputic> .... half a day to compile Open Office :/
[12:16] <aroman> and it's pretty cool, but I don't always have time to wait 10 hours for a program to build..
[12:16] <ITSpot> gotta question : I installed ubunut a few mins ago, and i cant seem to pull any webpages up.  DHCP is enabled and I also tried to manually set the ip, all the settings appear to be correct.  any ideas or thoughts?
[12:17] <aroman> thoreauputic, man you have a fast computer! mine takes longer lol
[12:17] <junit> ya, that sounds like a nightmare
[12:17] <FR500> ITSpot: do u use a proxu?
[12:17] <FR500> proxy?
[12:17] <aroman> it's not really THAT bad, but I'd rather use apt-get and synaptic ;)
[12:17] <ITSpot> fr500 no
[12:17] <thoreauputic> ITSpot: see if you have nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
[12:17] <nomasteryoda> wow... kde 3.4
[12:17] <nomasteryoda> nice
[12:17] <red-nix> try sudo ifdown -a; sudo ifup -a  in the shell and see if it works i have to reset mine several times before it kicks in
[12:18] <junit> what is the benefit of kde over gnome
[12:18] <nomasteryoda> junit, don't start something
[12:18] <nomasteryoda> lol
[12:18] <thoreauputic> junit: matter of taste
[12:18] <nomasteryoda> taste
[12:18] <aroman> some say kde looks better
[12:18] <FR500> for a laptop, what hoary should i get, there is array 4 array 5 and current
[12:18] <FR500> don0t know he difference
[12:18] <mcphail> junit: apples and oranges
[12:18] <nomasteryoda> aroman, latest has transparency
[12:18] <nomasteryoda> fully
[12:18] <junit> ya, i like simplicity, but also usability
[12:18] <junit> i hate oranges
[12:18] <FR500> gnome is faster i think
[12:18] <nomasteryoda> icons show on desktop right thru windows
[12:18] <aroman> nomasteryoda, does it use the composite extension?
[12:18] <nomasteryoda> yea
[12:19] <aroman> well I've always liked gnome, though I've tested most new kde versions... I prefer leaner desktops...
[12:19] <thoreauputic> groan - typos everywhere today
[12:19] <thoreauputic> where's my coffee?
[12:19] <junit> aroman: those are the words i was looking for, lean desktop
[12:19] <aroman> I can't say kde is worse than gnome or vice versa.. it's a matter of taste like thoreauputic said
[12:19] <wdh> i always liked KDE.. Ubuntu taught me that i well configured gnome is nice as well :)
[12:19] <ITSpot> thoreauputic : yeh, i do and they are right
[12:20] <aroman> junit, :)
[12:20] <thoreauputic> ITSpot: OK
[12:20] <Zitter> hi, a link to recover my ubuntu? I've installed win after that and now MBR is cancelled
[12:20] <wdh> Zitter, www.google.com
[12:20] <wdh> :P
[12:20] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[12:20] <Zitter> I've tryed to search a "rescue" mode in Cd but I didn't fin it
[12:20] <FR500> isn't it possible with the CD?
[12:21] <aroman> Zitter, I think you'd have to boot with linux rescue and then chroot to your installation, then run grub and set it up on the mbr
[12:21] <shadeofgrey> once i instyall the drivers and edit the config file - do i need to totally restart orjust restart X server from cmdline?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Zitter: windows has stuffed your MBR
[12:21] <FR500> if u have a rh9 or fc3 u can use that
[12:21] <wdh> *killall windows*
[12:21] <aroman> Zitter, boot from cd, at the boot: prompt enter linux rescue
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Zitter: always install win first...
[12:21] <Zitter> aroman, ok try
[12:21] <wdh> Zitter, always dont install windows :P
[12:21] <carajean> ok im back can anybody offer some fresh ideas about my sound crisis??
[12:21] <Zitter> it's not my pc
[12:21] <thoreauputic> indeed
[12:21] <joredg1> Hi , I tried the ubuntu live cd on my laptop (tosh sat a65) and a lot of things weren't recognized ,is it there the same problem if I do the installation?
[12:22] <aroman> Zitter, well not sure if it will work... it's pretty standard with linux distros... I just installed ubuntu last night :P
[12:22] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[12:22] <mcphail> joredg1: often not
[12:22] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: restart X
[12:22] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey:  /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:22] <shadeofgrey> thor":  whats the command to restart X
[12:23] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[12:23] <aroman> why is ubuntu offering free ubuntu cds?
[12:23] <shadeofgrey> okay
[12:23] <TalkSoup> impressive--even many of the GNUstep packages are configured nicely on ubuntu
[12:23] <Zitter> mmmm written linux rescue but it seems that start installation not rescue mode :/
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> aroman: because they can
[12:23] <aroman> like.. I understand it'll get them more users
[12:23] <regeya> rockage
[12:23] <shadeofgrey> im off to go try see you in a few
[12:23] <Zotnix> aroman, the man is rich that started Ubuntu ;)
[12:23] <aroman> but yeah.. how come they can? it costs you know? :)
[12:23] <thoreauputic> aroman: because they are nice people ;)
[12:23] <aroman> thoreauputic, I agree with that :)
[12:23] <aroman> and ubuntu is really neat :)
[12:23] <thoreauputic> aroman: the business model is to sell support
[12:24] <thoreauputic> not ones and zeros ;)
[12:24] <regeya> heh
[12:24] <Zotnix> arachne, it isn't TOO expensive to mass produce CDs, though. But the guy has millions and millions.. he doesn't know how Ubuntu is going to make money yet.
[12:24] <mcphail> who is "the guy"?
[12:25] <cyklus> im reintalling a server and was wondering if there is any way I can save and restore the current users of the server.. any advice appriciated?
[12:25] <regeya> ubuntu could make money selling support, though.
[12:25] <aroman> ubuntu has support for reiser4? :S
[12:25] <BiteMeBill> anyone suggest a good distro for a 233Mhz 48MB laptop?
[12:25] <aroman> mkreiser4 command exists... hmm
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> cyklus: backup /home and /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow
[12:25] <thoreauputic> mcphail: Mark Shuttleworth ?
[12:25] <regeya> it may seem a bit distasteful, but perhaps they could sell their services to proprietary software manufacturers, to port software to ubuntu/linux
[12:25] <thoreauputic> mcphail: something like that
[12:25] <aroman> BiteMeBill, DSL?
[12:25] <regeya> Mark Shuttleworth, the astronaut
[12:25] <regeya> brilliant name for an astronaut
[12:26] <mcphail> yup lol
[12:26] <thoreauputic> regeya: indeed
[12:26] <BiteMeBill> aroman: Tried it but it seems not ot like it for somereason.
[12:26] <carajean> anybody care to help with sound??
[12:26] <BiteMeBill> Maybe I will keep messing with it.
[12:26] <regeya> well, I was just checking to see if this was a working copy of Talksoup.app, bbiab
[12:26] <aroman> BiteMeBill, yeah cuz I am about to format one of my partitions... dunno if I should use reiser 3.6 or 4
[12:26] <aroman> lots of ppl suggest 3.6, although tests show reiser 4 is faster
[12:27] <aroman> meh.. I guess I'll go with 3.6
[12:27] <FR500> do i need to reboot after installing tt fonts?
[12:27] <cocozz> Hi, im trying to do a "make menuconfig" but its says it need ncurses-devel, where can I get it
[12:27] <thoreauputic> aroman: ricerfs - goes *really8 fast then blows up...
[12:27] <thoreauputic> *really*
[12:27] <thoreauputic> FR500: no
[12:28] <FR500> ok
[12:28] <thoreauputic> FR500: yu only need toreboot for new kernels in linux
[12:28] <carajean> ok anyhelp on sound?
[12:29] <FR500> hmmm
[12:29] <FR500> ok
[12:29] <thoreauputic> lucky junit
[12:30] <thoreauputic> of course, trimming my figernails might help too ...
[12:30] <thoreauputic> heh fingernails
[12:30] <thoreauputic> there I go again
[12:30] <cyklus> Thanks HrdwrBoB
[12:31] <cyklus> also i was wondering... currently I have /home on a separate disk.. after a reinstall, how do I remount that disk as home permanently?
[12:31] <Lunatik> quick question regarding how to setup/view a FAT partition
[12:32] <kent> cyklus, you put it in /etc/fstab   (that file specify what gets mounted where.. )
[12:32] <red-nix> question, i have this script that will cache the music videos from launch.yahoo.com and play them thru mplayer but what im curious to know is there a way to save these videos with linux? if so what program ?
[12:32] <Lunatik> I'm unable to see a valid FAT parition on my laptop in GRUB, but I can't access it in Gnome
[12:32] <Lunatik> Anyone have any ideas?  I searched the website
[12:32] <mcphail> cocozz: libncurses5-dev
[12:33] <junit> help =(, every time i select a video driver, it does the same thing over again in the hoary instlall
[12:33] <cocozz> yes thanks
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Lunatik: in /etc/fstab, something like /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat  auto,users,exec,uid=1000,gid=100 0 0
[12:34] <carajean> Help with sound?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> but check for syntax
[12:34] <Lunatik> I'll do that, thanks
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Lunatik: and the directory /mnt/windows has to exist first
[12:35] <I_Need_Help666> how do I get the MAC bar on the bottom of http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme
[12:35] <thoreauputic> the gid should be 1000 in fact, sorry
[12:35] <I_Need_Help666> how do I get the MAC bar on the bottom of http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme
[12:36] <Lunatik> thoreauputic:  I have neither in my ETC or MNT folders
[12:36] <thoreauputic> I_Need_Help666: no need to repeat
[12:36] <mcphail> I_Need_Help666: i suspect that isn't an actual functioning item
[12:36] <kent> I_Need_Help666, but that is from a macintosh, isn't? To get that, either buy a mac, or perhaps use the gdesklet starterbar :(
[12:36] <thoreauputic> Lunatik: lower case: and you have to put them there
[12:36] <junit> help me
[12:36] <thoreauputic> and you *must* have an existing /etc/fstab
[12:36] <junit> I just installed hoary, and now when it tries to load x, i think it is too big of a resolution
[12:37] <junit> my monitor says: OVER
[12:37] <thoreauputic> otherwise your system wouldn't be working at all
[12:37] <Lunatik> I don't have  /etc/fstab/ for sure
[12:37] <junit> it isn't a directory
[12:37] <mcphail> Lunatik: remove the trailing slash
[12:37] <thoreauputic> /etc/fstab
[12:37] <junit> ahhh
[12:37] <junit> how do i fix this?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> it's a file
[12:37] <I_Need_Help666> my friend has it on his Ubuntu, with the Mac bar. but i dunno
[12:37] <Lunatik> oh, it's a file - sorry about that
[12:38] <thoreauputic> I_Need_Help666: probably gdesklets
[12:38] <kent> I_Need_Help666, you can get one that looks sort of like it the Mac one, from gdesklet.
[12:38] <I_Need_Help666> what site could I get the maclike tool bar
[12:38] <junit> sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[12:38] <I_Need_Help666> i have gdesklets installed
[12:38] <I_Need_Help666> where can I get some
[12:38] <kent> I_Need_Help666, http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=210
[12:38] <thoreauputic> I_Need_Help666: you don't - you set up your repositories and install it with synaptic
[12:39] <Br34ch> I'm completely new to Linux . . . and need some desperate help. Can anyone tell me where I can begin to solve my problem . . . my soundcard isn't detected, I'm running it on my laptop and it is extremely old.. pentium 2, says soundcard isn't found.. any hints would be great
[12:39] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[12:39] <junit> how do i change the resolution without being in a window manager?
[12:39] <FR500> hi
[12:39] <junit> Ahhh =(, I can't see anything because my monitor doesn't display it
[12:39] <thoreauputic> junit: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:39] <I_Need_Help666> kent, thanks for the site of it
[12:39] <junit> how do i get into the command line
[12:40] <kent> I_Need_Help666, if you have gdesklets installed. then run it, and from its menu, you choose the option to install a desklet and from there you install that desklet from the page i sent yuo. Ok?
[12:40] <FR500> i had a bunch of files on my desktop, they were owned by root, so i went to a console, sudo - and deleted them with rm /home/username/Desktop/*
[12:40] <junit> and I am in hoay
[12:40] <thoreauputic> or xserver-xorg in hoary
[12:40] <FR500> now panels dont work
[12:40] <junit> ya
[12:40] <FR500> how do i fix it
[12:40] <junit> But I can't even see anything on the screen
[12:40] <junit> so
[12:40] <I_Need_Help666> kent, yea I know how, just didn't know where to get it
[12:40] <junit> i can't type anything in
[12:40] <shadeofgrey> okay - i successfully shut down x and logged in as my user but after typing the run command it told me i had to be root - so i got back to the prompt and typed su and my password, but it told me the password was wrong - and its the same password i use when i open the root terminal
[12:40] <thoreauputic> FR500: you just blew the whole desktop away
[12:40] <kent> I_Need_Help666, gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org  has them all :)
[12:40] <shadeofgrey> so whats wrong
[12:40] <I_Need_Help666> kent, thanks man
[12:41] <johns__> junit: try ctrl-alt-f1
[12:41] <FR500> damn
[12:41] <kent> thoreauputic, are you sure?  rm Desktop/* should only remove the files, not the panels?
[12:41] <junit> NICE
[12:41] <FR500> no way to recover?
[12:41] <johns__> shadeofgrey: login with your username
[12:41] <thoreauputic> kent: hmm - you could be right
[12:41] <I_Need_Help666> kent, if I want more images for the folders/icons do I go to the same site?
[12:42] <FR500> hmmm
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> okay fine but how do i figure out what the root password is?
[12:42] <FR500> still it's broke
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> because i never set oneat the install
[12:42] <FR500> maybe if i create a new user?
[12:42] <johns__> there is no root password
[12:42] <thoreauputic> FR500: try killall gnome-panel && gnome-panel
[12:42] <FR500> ok
[12:42] <kent> FR500, if your good, you might rightclick on the desktop and start a terminal. From there, start "gnome-panel". That will get you one panel, and from that one, you can add the other panel. Then you have the panels back, but you need to configure them.
[12:42] <johns__> do sudo passwd root
[12:42] <aroman> how can I make my mounted partition accessible by other users?
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> as far as i knolw i onbly have one user -- "shadeofgrey" and its password is the one i use to login to my root terminal
[12:43] <johns__> sudo asks for your own password
[12:43] <kent> I_Need_Help666, icons can be fetched from either gnome-look.org   or art.gnome.org
[12:43] <FR500> thoreauputic
[12:43] <FR500> thoreauputic kill all didi it all
[12:43] <johns__> you could give root a password by typing: sudu passwd root
[12:43] <junit> It doesn't automatically detect my Graphics Card =(
[12:43] <FR500> i didnt even have to start it again
[12:44] <Br34ch> Can anyone tell me where I can begin to solve my problem . . . my soundcard isn't detected, I'm running it on my laptop and it is extremely old.. pentium 2
[12:44] <carajean> sound help please
[12:44] <thoreauputic> FR500: it resurrected?
[12:44] <I_Need_Help666> kent, how do I add more buttons?
[12:44] <FR500> by itself
[12:44] <rel> FR500, session does that for you
[12:44] <FR500> i didnt have to restart it
[12:44] <FR500> do what?
[12:44] <I_Need_Help666> kent, nvm
[12:44] <thoreauputic> FR500: yes,, it usually respawns
[12:45] <rel> FR500, restarting gnome-panel
[12:45] <junit> thoreauputic: It doesn't detect my graphics card, and it is was detected in Warty, so am I doing something wrong, or is this normal?
[12:45] <shadeofgrey> now i cant get X to stop
[12:45] <FR500> oh
[12:45] <FR500> ok
[12:45] <shadeofgrey> i typed the rught command and it says gnome display managernot running
[12:45] <johns__> shadeofgrey: killall gdm
[12:45] <shadeofgrey> but that makes no sense - all my gui stuff is running
[12:45] <rel> shadeofgrey, killall X
[12:46] <johns__> or telinit 1
[12:46] <johns__> and then: telinit 2
[12:47] <aroman> why doesn't this work?
[12:47] <aroman>  mount -o uid=aroman -t reiserfs /dev/hdb5 /mnt/personal
[12:47] <rel> oops
[12:47] <johns__> aroman: uid is a numeric value
[12:48] <rel> try username
[12:48] <Airforcepunk04> what is the limit to get the free cds
[12:48] <FR500> 10 i think
[12:49] <mcphail> Airforcepunk04: I think they prefer bulk orders
[12:49] <Airforcepunk04> i ordered 20 intel cd's will that effect my shippment date
[12:49] <rel> Dont understand that cd action.. is that marketing?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Airforcepunk04: no that isn't that many
[12:49] <FR500> don't u like nice looking printed cds?
[12:49] <Airforcepunk04> no i have some friends that one some
[12:49] <mcphail> Airforcepunk04: it is cheaper for them to deliver 20 cds to one address than 1 cd to 20
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Airforcepunk04: you can order quite a few
[12:50] <carajean> help with sound??
[12:50] <rel> carajean, whats wrong?
[12:50] <Airforcepunk04> can you cancel an order
[12:50] <rel> thoreauputic, that costs a lot of $$
[12:50] <shadeofgrey> okay now when i run the nvidia driver installer it says that no precompiled kernel interface was found.  it asked me if i wanted it to download one and i said no
[12:50] <Lunatik> thoreauputic:  Thanks again for the help, I just have to tweak it in now.
[12:51] <shadeofgrey> should i let it?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> Lunatik: you're welcom :)
[12:51] <Airforcepunk04> can you cancel an order
[12:51] <Lunatik> man, the support on this distro is amazing.  take it easy all
[12:52] <shadeofgrey> is there any way to install the nvidia component drivers through apt-get?
[12:53] <zenrox> shadeofgrey,  ya apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[12:53] <rel> shadeofgrey, apt-get install nvidia-glx ?
[12:53] <mcphail> Airforcepunk04: don't think so
[12:53] <carajean> i have absoletly no sound
[12:53] <aroman> johns__, then how can I make fstab mount my reiserfs partition so it's accessible by other users, non-root?
[12:54] <Airforcepunk04> can you burn more copies of the cd's
[12:54] <carajean> i can hear a thing out my speakers no matter what i try i installed all the codecs according to the guide
[12:54] <zenrox> shadeofgrey,  better yet read www.ubuntuguide.org on nvidia drivers
[12:54] <rel> carajean, look on alsa.org if your card is supported
[12:54] <mcphail> Airforcepunk04: of course
[12:54] <Airforcepunk04> what is it better to download on a CD-R or a CD-RW
[12:55] <rel> carajean, alsa-project.org that is
[12:55] <carajean> i dont have a sound card
[12:55] <mcphail> Airforcepunk04: CD-Rs are cheaper
[12:55] <Br34ch> Can anyone tell me where I can begin to solve my problem . . . my soundcard isn't detected, I'm running it on my laptop and it is extremely old.. pentium 2
[12:55] <Br34ch> !ping
[12:55] <rel> aroman, add the option user?
[12:56] <Br34ch> !ping
[12:56] <Br34ch> !d
[12:56] <rel> !pong
[12:56] <BrianAnthony> Does anyone know of a good cobol editor/compiler with a gui?
[12:56] <johns__> aroman: couldn you juist use the default options?
[12:56] <johns__> what is is /dev/hdax /mnt/point reiser defaults 0 0
[12:56] <aroman> johns__, it mounts it such that the root user has access
[12:56] <aroman> :/
[12:56] <johns__> or something like that
[12:57] <carajean> i dont have a sound card i have onboard sound
[12:57] <zenrox> carajean, thats still a sound card
[12:57] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: COBOL ? wow . that takes me back a long way...
[12:57] <rel> carajean, type alsamixer in a console and see what that does
[12:57] <BiteMeBill> carajean: do you know what motherboard you have?
[12:57] <carajean> yeah
[12:58] <carajean> it gives me alsa where i can change the volume
[12:58] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: lol. yeah, it's sort of odd, I know. but I have to take the class for my degree.
[12:58] <johns__> aroman: http://www.namesys.com/mount-options.html has more info on reiser
[12:58] <rel> carajean, Br34ch, probably the gains are muted?
[12:58] <BrianAnthony> I would just use emacs, but cobol is so strict on character placement
[12:58] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: I see :)
[12:58] <BrianAnthony> unless emacs has a grid
[12:58] <rel> carajean, do you see "MM" on the gains?
[12:58] <carajean> i have a gigabyte kt600
[12:58] <carajean> i dont know im a newb to linux and ubuntu
[12:58] <rel> carajean, well, look in there
[12:59] <rel> carajean, using gnome?
[12:59] <carajean> where are the gains
[12:59] <carajean> ??
[01:00] <carajean> yeah im using gnome
[01:00] <Br34ch> rel: gains? Please elaborate, and oh - I'm a nub, if you'd rather direct my on by some links, that'll be good 'nuff too
[01:00] <aroman> johns__, well that doesn't tell me anything
[01:00] <rel> those things to raise the volume
[01:00] <carajean> no none are muted
[01:00] <Br34ch> Oh, it's probably not that.. it kinda says "no soundcard found"
[01:01] <rel> Br34ch, I'am dutch :) englisch is not my native slang.. alsa-project is the site you need
[01:01] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help here
[01:01] <BrianAnthony> where would I put a .emacs file?
[01:01] <BrianAnthony> I found one that will tokenize cobol
[01:01] <shadeofgrey> im following the instructions on ubuntu guide for nvidia drivers
[01:01] <mcphail> BrianAnthony: home dir
[01:01] <rel> carajean, then I wouldnt know. your card is setup ok. check the cables or somthing
[01:02] <shadeofgrey> but its saying to type "nautilus applications:///System" and that causes an error
[01:02] <Br34ch> rel: alsa-project, got it - thanks
[01:02] <johns__> aroman: a normal mount would be: moutn -t reiserfs -o conv /dev/hda(or someting) /mnt/mountpoint
[01:02] <carajean> i do not have a sound card
[01:02] <BrianAnthony> like /home/user/.emacs?
[01:02] <johns__> so fstab would look like: /dev/hdaX /mnt/mountpoint reiserfs defaults,conv 0 0
[01:02] <pestilence> could somebody tell me why, after i put the following in my /etc/modutils/alias file, bttv still loads the wrong tuner?
[01:02] <johns__> I guess.
[01:03] <pestilence> options bttv card=26 tuner=2
[01:03] <johns__> I still use ext3
[01:03] <pestilence> it loads tuner 19 for some reason
[01:03] <shadeofgrey> guys i really need help here
[01:03] <Kirk> hey all.. i'm installing 4.10 and getting an error while installing the base files: something about debootstrap exiting with error
[01:03] <pestilence> on boot
[01:03] <thor|afk> shadeofgrey: just look in the menu for system tools
[01:03] <shadeofgrey> im trying desperatelyto get this to work and need someone with experience to help me
[01:03] <shadeofgrey> what menu
[01:03] <sid77> ciao
[01:03] <thor|afk> shadeofgrey: same effect
[01:03] <mcphail> BrianAnthony: yes
[01:03] <rel> carajean, then what do you want?
[01:04] <Kirk> can anyone help me with this ?
[01:04] <johns__> shadeofgrey: what did you do until now
[01:04] <carajean> ok so there is no way on earth ubuntu can have onboard sound??
[01:04] <carajean> i do not have a sound card so the sound on ubunut wont work is that what u are telling me
[01:04] <mjr> ubuntu doesn't have a board to have the sound on
[01:04] <aroman> johns__, why -o conv? I'm not trying to convert the filesystem!
[01:04] <shadeofgrey> jons:  i did sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> then
[01:05] <pestilence> kirkt: what happens after the error?
[01:05] <rel> carajean, onboard sound is a soudcard. so you have a card. check the cabeling
[01:05] <Br34ch> rel, I shuold be able to get it by synaptic, right..?
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> then
[01:05] <rel> Br34ch, what? sound?
[01:05] <kirkt> pestilence: the install stops and wants to revert to the install menu. further attempts to resume fail
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> and its after that last step i get stuck
[01:05] <Br34ch> alsa project or what is was you told me
[01:05] <carajean> i did it worked a half hour ago in mandrake then i decided to switch to ubuntu not changing any cables.
[01:05] <kirkt> pestilence i've checked the cd MD5sum it's ok.
[01:06] <pestilence> kirkt: did you try alt+ctrl+f2
[01:06] <kirkt> pestilence also, i'm running this under VMWare
[01:06] <shadeofgrey> the docs say open a file browser and go to File --> Create Launcher
[01:06] <johns__> hm, and what doesn't work right now?
[01:06] <thor|afk> shadeofgrey: ewere you in X when you typed the command that gave an error?
[01:06] <shadeofgrey> thor:  i didnt get any errors!
[01:06] <rel> Br34ch, ww.alsa-project.org is the project site of alsa, those that provide us with the nice drivers
[01:06] <thor|afk> ?
[01:06] <shadeofgrey> thor:  im stuck on the part AFTER entering the terminal commands
[01:06] <kirkt> pestilence i've gotten to a shell and 'cat /var/log/syslog | grep deboot'
[01:06] <dilema-U> anyone know if i can add Debian unstable package reposes?
[01:07] <dilema-U> to synaptic
[01:07] <shadeofgrey> it says open nautilus and go to File --> Create Launcher
[01:07] <thor|afk> shadeofgrey: <shadeofgrey> but its saying to type "nautilus applications:///System" and that causes an error
[01:07] <shadeofgrey> yes
[01:07] <rel> Br34ch, they have info for your soundcard and how to set it up if you have trouble with it
[01:07] <shadeofgrey> it does
[01:07] <Airforcepunk04> can u start a private network with one computer windows xp and the other Linux
[01:07] <johns__> shadeofgrey: that won't work when you' re nog in a graphical environment
[01:07] <johns__> startx doesn' t work?
[01:07] <kirkt> pestilence it says: info: execution hook before debootstrap
[01:08] <thoreauputic> Airforcepunk04: yes
[01:08] <rel> dilema-U, guess you can
[01:08] <dilema-U> hrm'
[01:08] <dilema-U> hope so cause Ubuntu default reposes are lacking
[01:08] <Airforcepunk04> is it hard to do so
[01:08] <rel> hmm, lacking packages?
[01:08] <dilema-U> rel yes
[01:09] <dilema-U> lots
[01:09] <shadeofgrey> heres what i get after i did nautilus applications:///System
[01:09] <pestilence> dilema-U: did you try universe multiverse?
[01:09] <rel> dilema-U, havnt noticed that :)
[01:09] <shadeofgrey> (nautilus:9010): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[01:09] <shadeofgrey> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[01:09] <dilema-U> yes
[01:09] <thoreauputic> Airforcepunk04: not really - you need to have samba installed
[01:09] <pestilence> dilema-U: what packages
[01:09] <Airforcepunk04> can you download samba off a website
[01:09] <dilema-U> beep-media player for 1
[01:09] <crimsun_> carajean: paste onto http://pastebin.ca  the output of ,,cat /proc/asound/cards''
[01:09] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: are you running it as root?
[01:09] <dilema-U> a few others
[01:09] <johns__> uh shadeofgrey : you type that in a xterm
[01:09] <rel> dilema-U, u probably need parallelverse
[01:10] <shadeofgrey> yes im root right now
[01:10] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: if so that's the problem
[01:10] <oz_> anyone have any opinions about what filesystems to use on a large disk > 150g?
[01:10] <zenrox> sha
[01:10] <shadeofgrey> okay so i need to not be root
[01:10] <shadeofgrey> okay
[01:10] <zenrox> shadeofgrey,  dija modprobe nvidia\
[01:10] <dilema-U> rel, pestilence uh can these modes be selecte din synaptic
[01:10] <dilema-U> selected*
[01:10] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you can't run graphical spps as root in the same session as your user
[01:10] <pestilence> dilema-U: what modes
[01:10] <crimsun_> oz_: for what will the disk be used? multimedia? db?
[01:10] <mjr> oz_, I'd just go with good ol' ext3
 dilema-U, u probably need parallelverse
[01:11] <mjr> but xfs/jfs are valid choices (I'd avoid reiser for reliability)
[01:11] <crimsun_> "parallelverse?"
[01:11] <rel> dilema-U, that was a joke :)
[01:11] <pestilence> beep-media-player - Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp
[01:11] <BrianAnthony> FSCK! Emacs has tetris
[01:11] <pestilence> that the one?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might find your .ICEauthority is now wrong
[01:11] <BrianAnthony> screw turning in my C homework
[01:11] <dilema-U> hrm
[01:11] <thoreauputic> thoreauputic: which will stop you running other stuff
[01:11] <rel> dilema-U, I have all packages I need with uni and multi
[01:11] <pestilence> because that one is in one of (warty, universe, multiverse)
[01:11] <shadeofgrey> okay i did the nautilus line as shadeofgrey and it did it
[01:11] <dilema-U> yeah you need
[01:11] <shadeofgrey> now what
[01:11] <dilema-U> you are not i
[01:12] <pestilence> pool/universe/b/beep-media-player/beep-media-player_0.9.6.1-3_i386.deb
[01:12] <pestilence> it's in universe
[01:12] <pestilence> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:12] <carajean> crimson i posted it
[01:12] <dilema-U> gah
[01:12] <dilema-U> just opened synaptic
[01:12] <johns__> shadeofgrey: dunno. I normally edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:12] <johns__> then a modprobe nvidia
[01:12] <dilema-U> and i am getting unverse aerrors
[01:12] <johns__> and there it is
[01:12] <shadeofgrey> oh
[01:13] <shadeofgrey> im at the part where i have to edit the config file
[01:13] <shadeofgrey> ?
[01:13] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: continue following the instructions perhaps?
[01:13] <crimsun_> carajean: did you ever post ,,amixer'' output?
[01:13] <shadeofgrey> i know what to do with that
[01:13] <dilema-U> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:13] <carajean> um no
[01:13] <shadeofgrey> i wrote it down
[01:13] <junit> what audio players do you guys use?
[01:13] <carajean> i didnt know what to type
[01:13] <johns__> in that XF86Config-4 is a line with 'nv' that must be 'nvidia'
[01:13] <crimsun_> junit: right now I'm using wxvlc at work
[01:14] <pestilence> dilema-U: here is the line you want
[01:14] <pestilence> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse
[01:14] <G_pooper> is there a way to have Gdesklets stay over your windows
[01:14] <junit> ISthere any good audio player with a good library feature?
[01:14] <tritium> johns__, you can dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 rather than edit the config file by hand
[01:14] <thoreauputic> dilema-U: either 1) your sources are not complete or2) you haven't reloaded them
[01:14] <crimsun_> junit: amarok and rhythmbox are both good
[01:14] <crimsun_> junit: but "good" is subjective
[01:14] <junit> I tried rhythm box, but it never added my whole library
[01:14] <johns__> tritium: could be, but it didn't work for me.
[01:14] <dilema-U> thoreauputic, dude i literally just installed Ubuntu
[01:14] <G_pooper> junit, amarok and rhthmbox have good libraries, but I use XMMS if you want good skins
[01:14] <dilema-U> i installed xmms only
[01:14] <tritium> johns__, if you edited it and changed the md5sum, that's probably why
[01:14] <crimsun_> junit: warty? if so, the version of gst doesn't have the fix for skipping image files.
[01:15] <carajean> how do i do the amixer post
[01:15] <dilema-U> so i didn't do anything
[01:15] <carajean> ??
[01:15] <G_pooper> junit, amarok and rhthmbox have good libraries, but I use XMMS if you want good skins
[01:15] <G_pooper> opps
[01:15] <dilema-U> if ubunut is spitting out errors not my fault
[01:15] <G_pooper> sorry
[01:15] <johns__> tritium: I know
[01:15] <thoreauputic> dilema-U: yes, well you need to enable your sources and reload them I think
[01:15] <junit> I am on Hoary
[01:15] <johns__> I always hack my X config
[01:15] <G_pooper> Is there a way I can put Gdesklets over windows, like keep them on top
[01:15] <tritium> johns__, that can be remedied, however
[01:15] <pestilence> dilema-U: if you have added the above to your sources.list, go to a command line and type "sudo apt-get update"
[01:15] <dilema-U> LOL
[01:16] <higgs-boson> carajean, just type amixer in console
[01:16] <dilema-U> i have a main universe
[01:16] <dilema-U> in synaptic
[01:16] <dilema-U> main restricted
[01:16] <dilema-U> whatever that emans
[01:16] <dilema-U> means*
[01:16] <higgs-boson> carajean, then see what it says
[01:16] <junit> another question, why does gnome sometimes smash my windows together on the bottom
[01:17] <pestilence> dilema-U: i'm not a synaptic guy, but the method i have described is a sure-fire winner
[01:17] <thoreauputic> dilema-U: just tick all the boxes- it will make your life easier
[01:17] <G_pooper> junit, it's because you have not changed it. To change go to your Control Centre
[01:17] <Airforcepunk04> can someone tell me what samba is and who makes it
[01:17] <dilema-U> thoreauputic, i did
[01:17] <thoreauputic> dilema-U: then reload
[01:17] <crimsun_> Airforcepunk04: http://www.samba.org
[01:17] <dilema-U> kk
[01:17] <dilema-U> i didn't reload
[01:17] <dilema-U> doing it now
[01:17] <thoreauputic> or sudo apt-get update from the terminal
[01:17] <dilema-U> maybe that was the prob
[01:17] <carajean> higgs-boson it posted a lot of stuff anything special im lookin for?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> yes
[01:18] <crimsun_> carajean: paste the output to http://pastebin.ca
[01:18] <Airforcepunk04> thanks
[01:18] <G_pooper> well anyone have an idea where I can read on making Gdesklets on top
[01:18] <tritium> junit, right-click on the little pad just to the left of the window list to edit the preferences
[01:18] <junit> Control Center?
[01:18] <Airforcepunk04> can you download samba
[01:18] <junit> what should i change tritium?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Airforcepunk04: yes, use the package manager (synaptic)
[01:18] <tritium> junit, did you find the preferences?
[01:19] <junit> yep
[01:19] <tritium> junit, you can make the size bigger, for one thing.  You can also tell it not to group windows
[01:19] <carajean> ok posted
[01:19] <higgs-boson> carajean, whats the link
[01:20] <thoreauputic> Airforcepunk04: and lots of people all over the world make samba - like the rest of Linux :)
[01:20] <carajean> http://pastebin.ca/6093
[01:21] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: well, you like syanaptic apparently :)
[01:21] <Airforcepunk04> does the free cd's come with instructions
[01:21] <crimsun_> carajean: you're positive the speakers are connected and powered correctly?
[01:22] <carajean> yeha
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Airforcepunk04: read the stuff in the links from the channel /topic
[01:22] <carajean> i have a power led and its on
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Airforcepunk04: ubuntulinux.org has a lot of stuff: start with the FAQ
[01:23] <carajean> i tried it in everywhole nothin
[01:23] <carajean> man i been tryin for 7 hours my eyes hurts
[01:23] <higgs-boson> carajean, try this in console "aplay /usr/share/sounds/error.wav"
[01:23] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, alot.. nice frontend
[01:23] <BrianAnthony> damnit...
[01:24] <carajean> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/error.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
[01:24] <higgs-boson> carajean, no sound
[01:24] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: so you don't hate *all* of linux at least ;)
[01:24] <carajean> nope
[01:24] <carajean> i have it cranked sky high to
[01:24] <BrianAnthony> why the hell does XMMS and my audio players want to use my onboard sound, but my video player uses my pci card
[01:24] <crimsun_> carajean: please close all sound apps (including esd and mixer_applet), then: sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx && sudo modprobe snd_via82xx dxs_support=1
[01:24] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, nah, like linux :)
[01:24] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:24] <carajean> i did only thing i have open is gaim and terminal
[01:25] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, is yum an apt frontend too?
[01:25] <higgs-boson> carajean, close gaim and try what crimsun says
[01:26] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: no, I think yum has its own backend - but I know very little about it
[01:26] <carajean> ok
[01:26] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: I'm basically a Debian person
[01:26] <kirkt> can ubuntu be installed under vmware ?!
[01:26] <nomasteryoda> higgs-boson, you run into any quarks lately?
[01:26] <nomasteryoda> lol
[01:26] <thoreauputic> kirkt: I expect so
[01:26] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, oh, oke.. dont know so much either. Am ex-gentoo addict
[01:27] <BrianAnthony> how do I run modconf? I have module-init-tools installed
[01:27] <kirkt> then i have no idea why this error occurs
[01:27] <BrianAnthony> isn't it just the command modconf?
[01:27] <higgs-boson> nomasteryoda, such as?
[01:27] <higgs-boson> kirkt, Ive had trouble installing ubuntu on vmware running gentoo. so just try
[01:27] <nomasteryoda> higgs-boson, your nick sounds like the particle
[01:27] <cavediver> Anyone know a good movie-editing program for gnome.?
[01:27] <nomasteryoda> subatomic particles
[01:28] <kirkt> higgs-boson i didnt understand that phrase
[01:28] <kirkt> you're now running gentoo instead ?
[01:28] <higgs-boson> nomasteryoda, it is.. quarks run into me ;)
[01:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[01:28] <nomasteryoda> higgs-boson, just as long as it's not midichlrons
[01:29] <nomasteryoda> (sw reference)
[01:29] <higgs-boson> nomasteryoda, I give quarks their mass
[01:29] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: now if you've seena few tachyons lately, that would be interesting :)
[01:29] <zOap> Haii, i have installed hoarty and he cant find my videocard, s3virgemx.. what do i do?
[01:29] <nomasteryoda> thoreauputic, lol
[01:29] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, tachyons? thats boring..
[01:29] <higgs-boson> why not some hot blonde babes
[01:29] <thoreauputic> hehe
[01:30] <carajean> no luck im tired im movin on to another problem
[01:30] <carajean> hey ubuntu uses .deb files right?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> yes
[01:30] <nomasteryoda> yup
[01:30] <higgs-boson> carajean, you really have to make sure your sound cables etc are oke
[01:31] <carajean> ok i wil but spending more than 5 hours on sound is givin me a headache
[01:31] <crimsun_> carajean: did you try dxs_support=1?
[01:31] <higgs-boson> understandable :)
[01:31] <crimsun_> carajean: (I wasn't finished.)
[01:31] <carajean> oh ok
[01:31] <thoreauputic> hmm.. is there a gnome app sort of like kworldclock? I find it useful and I'm missing it...
[01:31] <carajean> i guess a couple more minutes wont hurt
[01:32] <crimsun_> carajean: I gave you a command earlier with a dxs_support parameter of 1. What happened when you typed the entire command?
[01:32] <carajean> yeah
[01:33] <carajean> it gave me nothin at all just went to the next line
[01:33] <thoreauputic> aha - gworldclock..
[01:33] <carajean> i tried again but same thing
[01:33] <kirkt> damnit
[01:33] <kirkt> it woudn't install
[01:33] <carajean> ok if i download a deb file is there a default installer??
[01:33] <crimsun_> carajean: now try with dxs_support=3
[01:33] <kirkt> what the hell IS debootstrap
[01:34] <carajean> ok
[01:34] <crimsun_> kirkt: man debootstrap
[01:34] <kirkt> fuck man.. i don't have linux because of debootstrap
[01:34] <tritium> carajean, dpkg
[01:34] <kirkt> it fails the ubuntu install
[01:34] <higgs-boson> carajean, that would be "dpkg -i foo.deb"
[01:34] <kirkt> i'm at this for 2 hours now
[01:34] <tritium> yes, but the "default installer" he asked about is dpkg
[01:35] <BrianAnthony> Wow
[01:35] <BrianAnthony> The Debian channel is hostile towards Ubuntu users
[01:35] <higgs-boson> crimsun, do you happen to know alot about viaxx sound driver?
[01:35] <crimsun_> higgs-boson: a fair mount.
[01:35] <crimsun_> ^amount
[01:35] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: heh - just "hostile" I'd say, but yeah
[01:35] <kirkt> BrianAnthony try asking a Gnome question
[01:35] <higgs-boson> crimsun, I dont have rear output with that driver
[01:35] <tritium> BrianAnthony, they're very zealous, some of them
[01:36] <BrianAnthony> I just want to make ALSA use the right sound card
[01:36] <BrianAnthony> I mean, how different is it =S
[01:36] <crimsun_> higgs-boson: 4 speaker configuration?
[01:37] <higgs-boson> crimsun, yes. a speakerset with 3 jackplugs.
[01:37] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: they get tired of people thinking anything debian based is Debian - but they aren't very tolerant about it
[01:37] <kirkt> can I use the LIVE warthy to install it to HDD ???
[01:37] <crimsun_> higgs-boson: have you used the speaker-test utility?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: ubuntu is mostly similar, but there are differences
[01:37] <higgs-boson> crimsun, no.. didnt know it existed
[01:37] <crimsun_> BrianAnthony: ask about Ubuntu questions in #ubuntu, thanks. :)
[01:37] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: what about as far as alsa goes
[01:37] <crimsun_> ask in here, or ask me in #alsa
[01:38] <tritium> BrianAnthony, what did you ask about in there?
[01:38] <higgs-boson> crimsun, I have that same issue with an aureon 7.1 car. funny thing my speakers are oke. just the rear on both cards dont speak
[01:38] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: well, for example debian has alsaconf: ubuntu doesn't as far as I know
[01:38] <BrianAnthony> Well, XMMS is using alsa and it's outputting to my onboard sound card. but my movie player xine-ui is outputting to me pci card
[01:38] <crimsun_> thoreauputic: alsaconf was removed because it is ineffectual and has some serious security bugs.
[01:38] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: that's where they busted me =P
[01:38] <higgs-boson> crimsun, I'll try #alsa
[01:38] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: so an answer involving alsaconf would lead to frustration all round
[01:39] <netmonk> kirkt, i don't think so
[01:39] <thoreauputic> crimsun_: Ok - good to know why anyway :)
[01:40] <higgs-boson> alsaconf?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: ncurse alsa config utility
[01:40] <thoreauputic> ncurses ?
[01:40] <higgs-boson> yes
[01:41] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, that would be as easy as adding a debian repo to install it
[01:41] <crimsun_> absolutely NOT.
[01:42] <crimsun_> there's a reason it was removed, don't do the silly thing and reinstall it.
[01:42] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: see crimsun's explanation above - but yeah, I guess you could use a debian repo for it
[01:42] <higgs-boson> crimsun, just to get my rear working and then remove it :)
[01:42] <crimsun_> no. alsaconf will NOT assist you with that.
[01:43] <higgs-boson> oh, oke.. curious as I am.. googling for it :)
[01:43] <ebone> How can I edit the Gnome "Menu Bar"
[01:43] <higgs-boson> crimsun, and that speakertesting tool? iss it in ubuntu?
[01:43] <crimsun_> higgs-boson: yes.
[01:43] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: crimsun_ is pretty emphatic about it - I'd be inclined to believe him since he's involved :)
[01:43] <higgs-boson> ebone, applications:/// (in nautilus) ?
[01:44] <ebone> thanks
[01:44] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, yes, but if the debian folks include it.. my logic says it must be save
[01:45] <ebone> higgs-boson: any way to rename it ? call it just "apps" e.g. ?
[01:45] <crimsun_> higgs-boson: and I will tell you, being involved with it, that it's in danger of being removed from Sid's alsa-utils package, too.
[01:45] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: hehe - let's not start a Holy Distro War ;)
[01:45] <tritium> what's the speakertesting tool?
[01:45] <higgs-boson> ebone, no idea.. just try and see
[01:45] <higgs-boson> crimsun, I take your word for it mate
[01:46] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, gentoo rocks!
[01:46] <job3> algun espaol??
[01:46] <crimsun_> job3: #ubuntu-es
[01:46] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: crimsun knows whereof he speaks ;)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: slackware!!!
[01:46] <higgs-boson> heh
[01:46] <job3> thx
[01:47] <tritium> thoreauputic, man, I haven't used slackware since `95
[01:47] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, grrrr!
[01:47] <thoreauputic> tritium: I've used Vector Linux (slack based) - nice distro for old machines: very fast
[01:48] <kirkt> how can i navigate ib partman without arrow keys?
[01:48] <kirkt> in
[01:48] <Phusion> hey guys, nabbin Ubuntu ISO, thinkin' of installing on my mandrake 10.1 box, can I chose not to format certain partitions during install?
[01:48] <higgs-boson> Phusion, ifcource you can
[01:49] <Phusion> k, just makin' sure
[01:49] <thoreauputic> Phusion: you can do whatever you like - of course, it might not work hehe ;)
[01:49] <Phusion> from what I've seen Ubuntu is looking really nice
[01:49] <thoreauputic> Phusion: /home should be safe enough
[01:49] <Phusion> latest gnome was all I had to hear haha
[01:49] <higgs-boson> Phusion, just watch out not to select the installer to partition for you
[01:49] <Phusion> of course :)
[01:49] <kirkt> how can i navigate in partman without arrow keys?
[01:50] <kirkt> i need to select the free space partition
[01:50] <Phusion> hoary is latest eh?
[01:50] <kirkt> but i cant use arrow keys
[01:50] <higgs-boson> Phusion, hoary is unstable
[01:50] <Phusion> oh
[01:51] <higgs-boson> warty is latest stable
[01:51] <higgs-boson> Phusion, but these things mean little today
[01:51] <Phusion> bloody heck man, just nuked my hoary dl haha so its stable enough for use? FTP serving and irc/browsing
[01:52] <higgs-boson> gnome beta is as solid as "stable" windows
[01:52] <higgs-boson> Phusion, sure
[01:52] <Phusion> well gnome is just a wm, it doesn't have to do as much things as windows but yes. Explorer sucks
[01:52] <kirkt> damnit
[01:52] <Phusion> ok then I'll get hoary, betanews had a very fast mirror
[01:52] <kirkt> fuck this.. im going knoppix =|
[01:52] <thoreauputic> higgs-boson: "stable"and "windows" should never appear in the same sentence...
[01:53] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, :D
[01:53] <higgs-boson> thoreauputic, I must say NT4 with SP6a is very stable
[01:53] <Phusion> look what this idiot said on Betanews
[01:53] <Phusion> It should be called Junk Linux. Couldn't get past the install. If you want a true win-like Linux try PCLinuxOS it has everything Firefox, Thunderbird truly the closest to windows yet.
[01:53] <Phusion> holy crap, I hope he hangs himself in his closet
[01:54] <higgs-boson> Phusion, dont talk that way about idiots
[01:54] <Phusion> they don't like it?
[01:55] <tritium> kirkt, what's the matter?
[01:55] <kirkt> tritium damn thing wont install, when trying to extract the basefiles. i get a "debootstrap" error
[01:55] <tritium> kirkt, Warty?  Array-5?
[01:56] <kirkt> i've read on a forum that this may have to be with the way ubuntu defaults the partition managing
[01:56] <kirkt> no.. 4.10
[01:56] <kirkt> but i cannot use arrows with this laptop
[01:56] <tritium> Okay, that's Warty.
[01:56] <tritium> Why not?
[01:56] <kirkt> i cannot navigate to my free space partition and create a custom one
[01:56] <kirkt> tritium i spilt coffee on them
[01:56] <kirkt> only the up arrow works =|
[01:56] <tritium> yikes
[01:57] <tritium> how will knoppix help you with that?
[01:57] <httpdss> kirkt: any usb keyboard ??
[01:57] <kirkt> i'd install knoppix on my hdd
[01:57] <tritium> but you still won't have arrow keys to navigate
[01:57] <kirkt> httpdss: if i put a usb keyboard it'll conflict with the mouse
[01:57] <kirkt> and then everything would get stuck
[01:58] <kirkt> tritium yes but i'll have linux installed
[01:58] <tritium> kirkt, what makes you say that?
[01:58] <mailon> hi
[01:58] <Thyphoid> hi
[01:58] <kirkt> tritium what makes me say what?
[01:58] <tritium> usb keyboard conflict with mouse?
[01:58] <ebone> What is a "seed" ... I see there is a Kubuntu "seed" ... but I don't know what that means.
[01:58] <kirkt> tritium yes, once i plug the keyboard in, the mouse will never work again until reboot
[01:58] <httpdss> seed as of torrent
[01:59] <ebone> ohh ...
[01:59] <ebone> bittorent ... gotcha. i was thinking "deb" source or something.
[01:59] <mailon> someone can tell me how i can restrict cdrom from all users except from one? /q me please
[01:59] <thenuke> how can I stop ubuntu from fetching some things from the CD :I
[01:59] <ebone> that must be if you want to d/l the whole kabootle.
[01:59] <tritium> kirkt, can you just use the touchpad or joystick for the time being and not use the external mouse?
[01:59] <thenuke> when I use apt to install something, it might ask me to insert ubuntu-cd in :)
[01:59] <ebone> thenuke: try editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:59] <httpdss> mailon: groups
[01:59] <kirkt> tritium: nope.. touchpad is also fucked
[02:00] <kirkt> tritium they made navigation by letters to the whole interface but i think they forgot how people supposed to navigate to the partition entries!
[02:00] <thenuke> ebone: oh, I had a quick look into that but I thought that I did not see anything, thanks
[02:00] <mailon> httpdss, i had allready tried with groups, but it doesn't work
[02:00] <kirkt> tritium can't i install ubuntu from the livecd ??
[02:01] <tritium> kirkt, no
[02:01] <httpdss> mailon: there is a group called "cdrom" if the user has that group then it will have access to the device
[02:01] <kirkt> tritium should i try the array 5 then ?
[02:01] <Pinguvin> i cant hear gaim sounds while playing music.. help please
[02:01] <tritium> kirkt, you could try that
[02:02] <kirkt> tritium but it doesn't have that many mirrors does it ?
[02:02] <Pinguvin> forget it.. lol :D
[02:02] <tritium> kirkt, or you could try unloading mouse modules to try to use the usb keyboard
[02:02] <crimsun_> Pinguvin: just tell libao to use esd by default
[02:02] <kirkt> tritium whats more stable array 5 or 4 ?
[02:03] <tritium> 5
[02:03] <Pinguvin> crimsun_: i changed it to ESD in gaim, but how do i set esd as default?
[02:03] <lavigj> hey guys, any ideas what would cause my nic card to misbehave? I checked iwconfig and all the specs are right...
[02:03] <kirkt> no mirrors for array5 ?
[02:03] <BiteMeBill> Anyone familiar with Debootsrap Errors while installing base system.  Couln't retrieve bsdutils.
[02:03] <tritium> mailon, changes to a logged-in user's group don't take effect for that user until he/she is logged out and then back in
[02:04] <kirkt> BiteMeBill: JOIN THE CLUB!!!
[02:04] <G_pooper> how do I get the new icon set in my gdesklets/menu bars
[02:04] <kirkt> tritium: SEE? this error is a trend!
[02:04] <tritium> kirkt, this is the first time I've seen it
[02:04] <BiteMeBill> kirkt: Could it be something with lack of network ro somthing?
[02:04] <tritium> And I've been here nearly every day since october
[02:04] <lavigj> my card does keep looking like it is scanning, trying to connect, and then flashes like it is connected. it keeps running through this cycle
[02:04] <kirkt> BiteMeBill  no i'm networked already
[02:04] <G_pooper> how do I get the new icon set in my gdesklets/menu bars
[02:05] <tritium> kirkt, no mirrors, but torrents
[02:05] <kirkt> tritium: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?goto=lastpost&t=10423
[02:05] <crimsun_> Pinguvin: echo "default_driver=esd" | sudo tee -a /etc/libao.conf
[02:05] <kirkt> this is not a new error
[02:05] <kirkt> its a goddamn BUG
[02:05] <BiteMeBill> kirt: ok Cause I'm trying to install it on an older Laptop....
[02:05] <kirkt> BiteMeBill i'm on a laptop too
[02:05] <Pinguvin> crimsun_: thank you so much
[02:06] <tritium> crimsun, could that be my problem?
[02:06] <kirkt> this is the first distro that doesn't install on this laptop
[02:06] <crimsun_> tritium: sorry, not familiar with your problem?
[02:06] <tritium> crimsun, the polypaudio problem where I have to kill then restart.  It's effective for one session.
[02:06] <BiteMeBill> kirkt: well I can't say that..  Mandrake wouldn't either..  Redhat did but now I just killed it.
[02:07] <kirkt> BiteMeBill: just do a knoppix install to hardisk
[02:07] <BiteMeBill> kirkt: What version are you trying to install
[02:07] <kirkt> thats what i'm gonna do
[02:07] <kirkt> i've already wasted 2.5 hours on this bug
[02:07] <kirkt> and that sux
[02:07] <crimsun_> tritium: no, that's orthogonal to libao settings
[02:07] <tritium> okay.  I noticed that mine is set to oss
[02:07] <kirkt> BiteMeBill im trying the regular 4.10
[02:08] <BiteMeBill> kirkt: tried that with DSL and Feather but can't get those CD's to boot for some reason.  They will boot on this machine but not the other.
[02:08] <tritium> I've never heard of libao2 before
[02:08] <BiteMeBill> kirkt: ok same here.
[02:08] <lavigj> anyone at all? this was working fine until I did an update... the new kernel won't even load my card, and apparently something else is keeping me from holding my connection with wirless routers
[02:08] <tritium> kirkt, bug + hardware problem
[02:09] <ebone> Hey guys, the Gnome user manual says I can edit menus by right clicking ...
[02:09] <BiteMeBill> I'm shocked that crimsun is going to let us stay here in a windows world and not figure a way around this.  :)
[02:09] <ebone> when i right-click something in the menu it launches it though.
[02:10] <dongcalmada> hi. i wonder if there is an updated deb/ubuntu package for openoffice.org--beyond 1.1.2.
[02:10] <crimsun_> dongcalmada: hoary has both 1.1.3 and 1.9*
[02:10] <kirkt> BiteMeBill: download knoppix, boot it up, then do knoppix-installer to install.
[02:11] <kirkt> im doing it right now
[02:11] <kirkt> i'll wait until array 5 would have more mirrors
[02:11] <BiteMeBill> ok
[02:11] <tritium> crimsun, my libao.conf is set to oss
[02:11] <dongcalmada> crimsun: k. thanks. i'll try it out.
[02:11] <wdh> why do we want knoppix to be installed on anything?
[02:11] <wdh> or am i misunderstanding the concept 'knoppix-installer'?
[02:12] <crimsun_> tritium: not a huge deal, but setting it to esd might simplify things for apps that use libao, like gaim, mpg321, ogg123, ...
[02:12] <ebone> Has anyone gotten kde on ubuntu ?
[02:12] <wdh> ebone, yeah.. works like a charm
[02:12] <Riddell> ebone: yes
[02:13] <Riddell> ebone: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[02:13] <BiteMeBill> kirkt: what version is it up to?  I have the 3.2 here now
[02:13] <tritium> crimsun, thanks.  I guess the ubuntu default is oss.  dpkg-reconfigure doesn't offer a chance to change it
[02:13] <ebone> Riddell: i saw that. when i apt-cache show kde it shows as version 3.1.2
[02:13] <ebone> is 3.2 supposed to be available ?
[02:13] <ebone> i have universe added, and am using warty.
[02:14] <ebone> universe and universe.
[02:14] <Riddell> ebone: what does apt-cache show kdebase  give you?
[02:14] <ebone> 3.1.2 supposedly
[02:14] <ebone> but the wiki says 3.2
[02:14] <wdh> 3.2.2
[02:14] <ebone> hmm ...
[02:14] <wdh> actually its different from the metapackage 'kde'
[02:15] <ebone> that's what you get when you apt-cache show ?
[02:15] <wdh> yes
[02:15] <ebone> ohh ... that explains it.
[02:15] <wdh> for kdebase
[02:15] <ebone> alright ... looks good.  :)
[02:15] <higgs-boson> crimsun, setting liao.conf to esd even when using polyaudio?
[02:15] <wdh> probably the metapackage didnt update :
[02:15] <wdh> :)
[02:15] <ebone> can i just apt-get install kde ? will that pull everythign in ?
[02:15] <wdh> ebone, yes
[02:15] <tritium> higgs-boson, polypaudio is a drop-in replacement for esd
[02:15] <crimsun> higgs-boson: libao.conf is not related to polypaudio
[02:15] <ebone> cool beans.
[02:15] <admin_> hey guys i need some sources in sources.list. can someone paste some for me?
[02:15] <higgs-boson> oke
[02:16] <cevans> I am trying to switch from metacity to xfwm4 for GNOME, but every time I reboot or logout/login gnome overwrites my gconf settings and ignores my session properties. Does anyone know what is doing this?
[02:16] <higgs-boson> tritium, drop-in, mean it replaces it partly?
[02:16] <wdh> admin_, of course we could.. but i recommend you check ubuntulinux.org for that
[02:16] <admin_> wdh, ok thanx
[02:16] <crimsun> cevans: changed the gconf key?
[02:17] <tritium> higgs-boson, not just partly
[02:17] <cevans> crimsun: Yes. I set /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current to /usr/bin/xfwm4, and when I log in again gnome has changed it to /usr/bin/metacity.
[02:17] <higgs-boson> tritium, it is backing esd for now? and will evantually replace it?
[02:17] <tritium> higgs-boson, try apt-cache show polypaudio
[02:17] <higgs-boson> oke
[02:18] <tritium> higgs-boson, it has already replaced esound in Hoary
[02:18] <tritium> ubuntu-desktop depends on it, rather than esound
[02:19] <ebone> apt-get question.
[02:19] <ebone> is there a way to tell it "just install whatever darn version you need".
[02:19] <higgs-boson> Tr0gd0r, thats what I use.. hoary.. why I asked the question about libao.conf. When not using esd (esound)? anymore. I wont need esd in there
[02:19] <higgs-boson> tritium
[02:19] <ebone> i've noticed sometimes it wont install cause something needs version 2.2, e.g.
[02:19] <ebone> and it wants to install 2.2.3 or something ...
[02:20] <ebone> can you pass it a switch to just "install this", and install whatever versions of whatever you need to make it happy ?
[02:20] <ebone> in the past i've had to hunt down the package ... and pass it the "version" switch ...
[02:20] <ebone> but that's a pain.
[02:20] <tritium> higgs-boson, yes?
[02:21] <ebone> i see the issue ...
[02:21] <higgs-boson> tritium, thats what I use.. hoary.. why I asked the question about libao.conf. When not using esd (esound)? anymore. I wont need esd in there
[02:21] <ebone> the "bad" package WAS installed .. it needed to be downgraded.
[02:21] <tritium> higgs-boson, yes, you will.  polypaudio pretends to be esd
[02:22] <tritium> (so to speak), so the apps still expect to use esd
[02:22] <higgs-boson> tritium, oke.. thats cleared out :)
[02:23] <zenrox> yep an polypaudio works with out a hitch for me
[02:23] <zenrox> i happen to be in the luckey few it works for
[02:24] <SpinalTapp> yo yo people
[02:24] <blahrus> it works just fine in hoary
[02:24] <det> Does Ubuntu have any plans to support WPA for wireless networking?
[02:24] <blahrus> better than esound
[02:24] <zenrox> lol @ HrdwrBoB
[02:24] <crimsun> cevans: you're not supposed to change the "current" key
[02:24] <zenrox> blahrus, i agree
[02:25] <crimsun> cevans: instead, change the "default" key
[02:25] <SpinalTapp> I just downloaded the Ubuntu Live CD, and now i'm confused....
[02:25] <cevans> crimsun: Ah - I see. Thank you.
[02:25] <cg0def> how do you switch from grub to lilo?
[02:25] <SpinalTapp> do I just burn the .iso file straight to a cd and try to boot from that?
[02:25] <zenrox> SpinalTapp, yep
[02:26] <cg0def> do I just uninstall grub and install lilo or there is more to it
[02:26] <zenrox> make shure you burn it no higher than 4x
[02:26] <SpinalTapp> ok, i just burned it using the default windows burner, i'll use Nero.
[02:26] <cevans> zenrox:  why 4x?
[02:27] <cg0def> huh? I burn ubuntu cds at 44x and never had a problem
[02:27] <tritium> blahrus, not for everyone
[02:27] <zenrox> just to make shure it dont get crupted at burn time
[02:27] <SpinalTapp> i tried to boot from the cd, but it didn't. i changed my primary boot drive to the CD drive in my BIOS, but it still skipped it and and went straight to Windows. wtf?
[02:27] <tritium> SpinalTapp, if your CD burner goes to 11, be sure to set it to that
[02:27] <SpinalTapp> lol awesome
[02:27] <tritium> :)
[02:28] <SpinalTapp> i'm just frustrated that I can't seem to get my pc to boot from the CD
[02:28] <helio7> SpinalTapp did you try the noapic nolapic boot options?
[02:29] <SpinalTapp> nope... what is that?
[02:29] <zenrox> helio7,  his bios wont boot from cd
[02:29] <SpinalTapp> i feel like such a n00b
[02:29] <SpinalTapp> heh
[02:29] <helio7> zenrox/ SpinalTapp oh nm my misunderstanding
[02:29] <zenrox> SpinalTapp,  whats your bios
[02:29] <SpinalTapp> I didn't check.... i suppose i should do that, eh?
[02:29] <cevans> SpinalTapp: Can you do an md5sum of the disk?
[02:30] <SpinalTapp> n00b mistake.
[02:30] <SpinalTapp> i suppose, how do i go about doing this?
[02:30] <zenrox> SpinalTapp, no just look for also in the bios
[02:30] <zenrox> for a setting to check cd drive first
[02:30] <zenrox> or inalize it any way
[02:31] <SpinalTapp> i could've sworn I did that... i even disabled my HD and made my cd drive my only bootable drive, and it still didn't register
[02:31] <mike__> whats up everyone
[02:31] <SpinalTapp> yo mike____
[02:31] <zenrox> SpinalTapp, hmm thats odd it shouldent do that
[02:31] <zenrox> hmmm
[02:31] <zenrox> got me
[02:31] <mike__> is there a way i can run .bin files
[02:32] <helio7> SpinalTapp md5 sum is a good idea also; I swapped out a CDrom the other day when boot from CD was failing... turned out it was a bad CD
[02:32] <SpinalTapp> yeah it starts looking for DHCP stuff, and then says "no boot file found. insert boot failed
[02:32] <SpinalTapp> er, insert boot file or select bootable drive
[02:32] <cevans> SpinalTapp: you did burn the iso directly, and didn't copy it onto the cd, right?
[02:33] <mike__> why does linux have to be so confusing sometimes!
[02:33] <cevans> mike__: .bin is rather ambiguous.
[02:33] <Neil3> SpinalTapp, ubuntu goes up to eleven!
[02:33] <SpinalTapp> nope, i just cut and pasted. should i go into nero and burn it from scratch?
[02:33] <mike__> yeah. i just downloaded JRE
[02:33] <cevans> SpinalTapp: Oh - you need to burn the file as an ISO file.
[02:34] <helio7> So I'm having a problem: I'm installing Ubuntu on a variety of old machines and on some of them I have succeeded, whereas on others X will never load, and on others I have a successful environment and then one day on reboot X fails me completely... any ideas?  I have 2 machines on hand that are stuck with no X
[02:34] <cevans> mike__: Oh, just do "sh <filename>"
[02:34] <lavigj> anyone handy with kernel modules around tonight?
[02:34] <mike__> of cool
[02:34] <SpinalTapp> good call. i'll try that, and hopefully i'll be back on in thirty minutes or so from Ubuntu
[02:34] <SpinalTapp> thanks all
[02:35] <fsc> helio7, check your Xfree84-4 or xorg.conf file first
[02:35] <cevans> mike__: The .bin files for the JRE are really just shell scripts. I don't know why they have that extension.
[02:35] <fsc> helio7, basically it comes down to doing a little research about your video cards, what linux drivers are available, and adjusting your X config file approprietly
[02:35] <mike__> so do you think it would be a good idea to just intstall all of the packages from my cd after install ubuntu?
[02:36] <zenrox> mike__,  do you want them all installed
[02:36] <cevans> mike__: Probably not.
[02:36] <cevans> mike__: You probably don't need them all.
[02:36] <mike__> i dont know, i just go to install things that i want and im always running into errors saying install this or that
[02:37] <helio7> fsc: Ok i'm familiar with that... what's your first suggestion as to the part... ?
[02:37] <helio7> the /var/log/XFree86.0.log file says "no devices detected" if these are donated machines (I'm an elementary school teacher) How can I find out what video cards I have?
[02:37] <cevans> helio7: lspci?
[02:37] <mike__> sorry, if you couldnt tell, im new to the linux world
[02:37] <cowbud> anyone explain to me the advantage of using a sound server e.g. polyaudio or esd? I can already play multiple sounds simultaneously
[02:38] <lavigj> man this sucks... I just can't get wireless working...
[02:38] <cevans> mike__: Well, there are probably packages that are useless to you on the CD. And there are probably packages that you will want that won't be on the CD.
[02:38] <helio7> thanks cevans; it's a VGA compatible ATI Tech Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) I guess I'll go google that... any other terms I should include in my google search?
[02:38] <cevans> helio7: wait a second, I think I remember that.
[02:39] <helio7> weirdest thing about it is that it was working fine and then boom one day i'm gnomeless
[02:39] <cevans> helio7: Try "ati" as the driver.
[02:39] <mike__> so once ive unpacked the JRE file, how do i install it
[02:39] <osmel> what is an equivalent software for Partition Magic? with a GUI?
[02:39] <mike__> or did it install when i opened it?
[02:39] <osmel> gtksomething?
[02:40] <cevans> mike__: I don't remember. The jre package isn't very intuitive.
[02:40] <tritium> heh, I just installed MSN messenger beta7 under wine
[02:40] <helio7> Ok cevans trying that now thanks.
[02:40] <cevans> mike__: You might want to look for a .deb for JRE or something.
[02:41] <helio7> Tritium: you think Wine is stable enough to run Educational software in a school environment?
[02:41] <raydoo> hi
[02:41] <SpinalTapp> bah my nero is all F'ed up. is there a way to burn a bootable ISO file using just windows?
[02:41] <tritium> helio7, perhaps.  Especially if you use the newer wine from winehq.com and winetools
[02:41] <zenrox> mike__,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for instructions for installing java
[02:41] <osmel> SpinalTapp, NO
[02:41] <SpinalTapp> damn
[02:41] <raydoo> anyone here who could help me with my cisco wlan card ?
[02:41] <helio7> tritium it emulates Win98 or Xp?
[02:41] <mike__> cool
[02:41] <tritium> helio7, http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[02:42] <cevans> tritium: Is that wine more recent than the one in hoary?
[02:42] <SpinalTapp> i suppose I need to find a good cd burning prog. for free. any suggestions?
[02:42] <tritium> cevans, yes
[02:42] <dud> k3b is the superiour one
[02:42] <tritium> cevans, helio7 setup the repos, then install wine and winetools.  Then, run winetools to setup wine.
[02:42] <dud> but it is kde based, not gnome...
[02:43] <cevans> SpinalTapp: Hmm... I usually use cdrecord on windows, but it is command-line based.
[02:43] <tritium> helio7, are you the 2nd-grade teacher that's been in here before?
[02:43] <helio7> oh, another random question; do people think I should enable the universal repositories on school workstations?
[02:43] <SpinalTapp> hmm.... is it that difficult?
[02:43] <helio7> tritium yes
[02:43] <tritium> helio7, cool.  Hi again.
[02:43] <cevans> SpinalTapp: No, I think there are others. One minute.
[02:43] <helio7> hiyas tritium yeah i shortened my nick a bit for ease of addressing me
[02:43] <tritium> helio7, a lot more software is available in universe and multiverse
[02:44] <cevans> dud: I think SpinalTapp is looking for a windows cd burning prog to burn the Ubuntu cd.
[02:44] <dud> in my experience from windows, the good free programs have spyware which makes them the worst of all, and the ones who doesnt have spyware really sucks
[02:44] <dud> cevans, yeah, i didnt read up
[02:44] <tritium> helio7, cool :)
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help with my nvidia setup
[02:44] <BrianAnthony> uhhh
[02:44] <tritium> shadeofgrey, how so?
[02:44] <cevans> SpinalTapp: Well, cdrecord works really well.
[02:44] <BrianAnthony> brian@ALFRED:~ $ gcc cellphone.cpp -o cellphone
[02:44] <BrianAnthony> gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory
[02:44] <BrianAnthony> what is cclplus?
[02:45] <helio7> SpinalTapp you running Windows XP? does'nt that have a built in CD-burn function? Otherwise does Nero have a free-trial version?
[02:45] <tritium> BrianAnthony, did you install build-essential before you tried compiling?
[02:45] <subterrific> BrianAnthony: the c++ compiler
[02:45] <SpinalTapp> Nero trial=expired
[02:45] <cevans> SpinalTapp: Hmm - is there an option to burn the ISO when you right click on it?
[02:46] <shadeofgrey> okay - the nvidia logo pops up on system startup now but theres no nvidia subset in the configuration area like theres supposed to be
[02:46] <SpinalTapp> and yeah, i copied the .iso file from my folder to a cd, but i'm told that could be the reason it's not working
[02:46] <cevans> SpinalTapp: I mean like a "Burn ISO" option or something.
[02:46] <tritium> shadeofgrey, configuration area of what?
[02:46] <SpinalTapp> nope
[02:46] <shadeofgrey> can i edit the /etc/x11/xorg.conf file while X is running?
[02:46] <YankDownUnder> Anyone have issues trying to install XFce on 5.0.4?
[02:46] <poningru> spinaltapp: UNT?
[02:46] <SpinalTapp> yep
[02:47] <poningru> univ of ?
[02:47] <SpinalTapp> univ of north texasd
[02:47] <SpinalTapp> *texas
[02:47] <tritium> shadeofgrey, yes, but it won't take effect until after you restart it
[02:47] <httpdss> shadeofgrey: yes ...
[02:47] <cevans> Err, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ has a list of free windows CD burning programs.
[02:47] <YankDownUnder> Ain't UNT close to Wolfe City?
[02:47] <httpdss> shadeofgrey: ctrl + alt + backspace to restart
[02:47] <helio7> CEVANS you rock; I can't believe that I salvaged one out of the 4 X-less Ubuntu machines using "ati" in XFree86.conf using an edit as simple as changing device driver to "ati" lmao
[02:47] <helio7> 1 down 3 more to go!
[02:47] <shadeofgrey> okay i can see the conf file but its read only
[02:48] <httpdss> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:48] <cevans> helio7: I have a ATI Rage in my server. Most ATI cards will work with the 'ati' driver. I am not sure why Ubuntu didn't set this in the first place, though.
[02:48] <zenrox> or sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:48] <httpdss> or vi ...
[02:48] <tritium> zenrox, pico is a symlink to nano
[02:48] <zenrox> lol
[02:49] <zenrox> didnot know that
[02:49] <shadeofgrey> okay lemme ask this
[02:49] <dakam> Hello all No problem just here to hang out :)
[02:49] <helio7> cevans i'm baffled as to why it worked for a while and then spontaneously failed... Maybe a video card patch update I tried overwrote the conf file with less appropriate settings
[02:49] <dakam> well... i have a problem really
[02:49] <dakam> how do i view games that ive downloaded in the repository
[02:49] <shadeofgrey> once i shutdown X and login in a regular text way, how do i edit the conf file? whats a txt only editor that will let me edit it if i login as root
[02:50] <tritium> nano
[02:50] <cg0def> how can I get Rhythmbox to play online radios?
[02:50] <mike__> woo hoo
[02:50] <zenrox> shadeofgrey, sudo nano
[02:50] <dakam> cg0def
[02:50] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:50] <tritium> shadeofgrey, what's wrong with your config file?
[02:50] <httpdss> apt-get install rhythmbox
[02:50] <helio7> dakam did you use synaptic to download them?
[02:50] <dakam> cg0def: go to your repositorys and enable multiverse
[02:50] <cevans> helio7: Ubuntu might have some strange way of autodetecting, like having X do it every time or something. It is probably better on old machines to check the X config and set the drivers properly.
[02:50] <cg0def> dakam: ok I'll do that
[02:50] <cg0def> dakam: thx
[02:51] <helio7> dakam you can do a search for "games" in synaptic (select names and descriptions) and see what you have already downloaded, as well as the path to each installed game
[02:51] <dakam> Ok
[02:51] <dakam> Wait Helio
[02:51] <ebone> guys ... vi disappeared
[02:52] <cevans> ebone: ?
[02:52] <cevans> ebone: Did it get removed?
[02:52] <ebone> i had vi, now it's gone ...
[02:52] <ebone> maybe it did. i just installed kde.
[02:52] <mike__> sweet
[02:52] <dud> did you try find / -name vi?
[02:53] <ebone> yeah. found it.  i guess my PATH changed is all.
[02:53] <ebone> :)
[02:53] <dud> heh ;)
[02:53] <ebone> actually, they are dead links.
[02:54] <sgteich> How do I get my desktop resolution to 1600X1200? I've added that to my XF86Config-4 file, restarted gnome.  Have I missed anything?
[02:54] <ebone> dead links to /etc/alternatives/vi directory.
[02:54] <helio7> Hey I've googled this but am still confused: where is the file that determines what DEsktop managers you can choose when you log in?  I've dl'ed several, but only have gnome as an option
[02:54] <ebone> sgteich: the first resolution listed in the XF file for the color depth you are using is the one that comes up by default.
[02:54] <SpinalTapp> rebooting..
[02:55] <shorty114> anyone know when GIMP will be updated to 2.2?
[02:55] <ebone> sgteich: you can always do Ctrl+Alt+ (+ or -) to change the resolution too.
[02:55] <cg0def> do the ati drivers install the same way on ubuntu the same way they do on debian?
[02:56] <dud> shorty114, gimp has been 2.2 for a looong time on hoary
[02:56] <mike__> anyone here used dslinux?
[02:56] <shorty114> dud: how about warty?
[02:56] <helio7> mike_ i've tried the livecd
[02:56] <sgteich> ebone: I've tried that - is there a way to see what resolution and color depth I'm running at from the command line?
[02:56] <dud> on a side not... i've been using gimp since it was about 1.5... and 2.2 is the without doubt best version
[02:56] <dud> shorty114, everything is ancient in warty hehe
[02:57] <shorty114> hmm
[02:57] <dud> its frozen many months ago ;)
[02:57] <mike__> i was thinking of putting the live cd on my mp3 player so i can have it where ever i go
[02:57] <shorty114> crap.
[02:57] <shorty114> when's hoary gonna be released?
[02:57] <dud> i'd venture to say that 2.2 compared to 2.0... 2.2 is about 25% better
[02:57] <helio7> is there way to schedule synaptic to DL all updates periodically?
[02:58] <mike__> but im not sure if it would work
[02:58] <dud> look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule shorty114
[02:58] <shorty114> dud: k...so if i'm using warty, i have to compile it myself?
[02:58] <dud> helio7, write a line in your crontab to get apt-get do it
[02:58] <cevans> helio7: has anyone answered your desktop environment question yet?
[02:58] <mike__> anyone have ideas?
[02:58] <dud> shorty114, unless there's a back port... but hoary is very stable now you know...
[02:59] <ebone> i seriously don't have a vi guys.
[02:59] <shorty114> dud: i'm waiting for the shipments of cds :)
[02:59] <ebone> vi got wacked somehow.
[02:59] <helio7> cevans: no desktop environment question stands: where can I add fluxbox/blackbox to my bootup options? (=
[02:59] <tritium> helio7, update manager should DL update periodically
[02:59] <dud> shorty114, shipments of warty right?
[03:00] <shorty114> dud: the CD's for hoary
[03:00] <dud> they're shipping those now?
[03:00] <helio7> tritium update manager? what/where's that?
[03:00] <shorty114> they're switching over to it @ end of feb
[03:00] <shorty114> so i'll wait until then >.<
[03:00] <dud> i dont know, but my cds took like 2 months to arrive heh
[03:00] <cevans> helio7: I usually just modify .xsession in my home directory and then startup with startx or select the xsession option in GDM.
[03:00] <dud> you're lucky to have them before summer :P
[03:00] <shorty114> dud: mine came in 2 weeks
[03:01] <dud> perhaps its not that many orders now
[03:01] <tritium> helio7, Hoary main
[03:01] <shorty114> dud: i got mine like 3 months ago
[03:01] <dud> hmm, k
[03:01] <cevans> helio7: I think you can add scripts to /etc/gdm/Sessions as well.
[03:01] <mike__> dsl doesnt come with a gcc?
[03:02] <helio7> cevans when you say startup with startx you mean you ask it to bootup without GUI and then you can load startx manually? GDM is what again?
[03:02] <bob2> mike__: ubuntu doesn't install it by default, if that's what you mean
[03:02] <shorty114> dud: where are you?
[03:02] <shorty114> i'm in seattle
[03:02] <cevans> helio7: GDM is the login manager. Actually adding file to /etc/gdm/Sessions is probably a better idea.
[03:02] <mike__> i know, i found that out
[03:02] <dud> shorty114, oh... I'm in Norway
[03:02] <shorty114> dud: that'll explain it :)
[03:03] <dud> heh >_<
[03:03] <dud> norway isnt caveman country you know
[03:03] <cevans> helio7: And in GDM you can select the xsession option to have it use .xsession.
[03:03] <shorty114> dud: from the people i've talked to, the ppl in the US got their cd's first
[03:03] <shorty114> but it's farther
[03:03] <shorty114> *further
[03:03] <dud> true hehe
 i know, i was just thinking of putting DSLinux on my 20g mp3 player to take with me
[03:03] <dud> perhaps the mail gets stuck in all the snow
[03:03] <shorty114> heh
[03:03] <shorty114> no snow in SEA to get stuck in ;)
[03:04] <helio7> cevans ok thanks working on it now (=
[03:04] <dud> I've seen snow in seattle in movies I think
[03:04] <dud> too embarrsed, as a man, to say which movie it was ;/
[03:04] <shorty114> rofl
[03:04] <ebone> jesus ... even --reinstall doesn't bring it back.
[03:05] <shorty114> we get maybe about half a CM of frosty snow-like white powder when it's really cold
[03:05] <daniels> ebone: if what you lost is under /etc, try --force-confmiss
[03:05] <shorty114> (right about this time)
[03:05] <helio7> cevans in Login screen setup on the "XDMCP" tab enable XDMCP?
[03:05] <dud> ok... we get 1.5M of snow ;\
[03:05] <cevans> helio7: no
[03:05] <shorty114> dud: lol
[03:05] <helio7> oh lol ok
[03:06] <dud> its fun for the kids heh
[03:06] <ebone> daniels: which command do i use that switch with ?
[03:06] <mike__> will the bios allow booting from usb?
[03:06] <cevans> helio7: When you login, you should be able to press "Sessions" or something and Xsession should be an option there.
[03:06] <helio7> after I add it to the .xsession conf file right?
[03:06] <cevans> helio7: xdmcp is some strange network system.
[03:06] <helio7> lol =P
[03:07] <cevans> helio7: Yes. You add the command to run the desktop environment to .xsession, and then you select Xsession as your session in GDM.
[03:08] <cevans> mike__: Some BIOS's will.
[03:08] <daniels> ebone: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename*.deb
[03:09] <lavigj> any ideas why i keep getting "network unreachable" for my wireless connection?
[03:09] <ebone> thanks
[03:09] <cevans> lavigj: What are you using to set it up?
[03:09] <mike__> it might still be smart to keep a boot floppy with me though
[03:10] <lavigj> cevans: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:10] <lavigj> cevans: I have a connecttion, and iwconfig shows everything being correct
[03:10] <lavigj> the card is also showing activity... I just can't ping or do anything else related
[03:11] <cevans> lavigj: Hmmm, are you using dhcp?
[03:11] <lavigj> cevans: yes, I am also getting an IP ok
[03:11] <lavigj> cevans: the router is showing the same IP assigned to the wireless cards MAC address as well
[03:12] <cevans> lavigj: Do you have another network interface up? It might be a routing problem.
[03:12] <lavigj> cevans: shouldn't be.. but let me make sure
[03:12] <Ex-Cyber> how can I interrogate a SMART-enabled drive to get more detailed information than the "SMART status Bad" error that my BIOS throws at startup?
[03:12] <lavigj> cevans: I will down all eth interfaces and then restart ath0
[03:12] <cevans> lavigj: Good idea.
[03:13] <lavigj> cevans: it would have been a better idea if it had worked :)
[03:13] <ebone> where do i change the resolution KDE uses ?
[03:14] <lavigj> cevans: brb
[03:14] <cevans> Ex-Cyber: smartmontools?
[03:14] <png> after dist-upgrading system. esound didnt work
[03:14] <Ex-Cyber> cevans: d'oh, missed that in the list, thanks
[03:14] <tritium> png, many people are experiencing trouble with polypaudio, which replaced esound with your latest dist-upgrade
[03:15] <lavigj> cevans: this is really confusing... I just can't figure out why it is not working
[03:15] <Torakiky> hi
[03:15] <png> tritium, what d u prefer? i want my sound back
[03:15] <ebone> god damn, it's as if KDE is ignoring my XF86 file.
[03:15] <tritium> png, well, I think polypaudio is technically better, but still a bit buggy
[03:15] <cevans> lavigj: route doesn't show any other interfaces?
[03:16] <Torakiky> does someone know how to remove the ipv6 module?
[03:16] <thenuke> why there is this guide for how to install xfce to ubuntu (http://www.tuxme.com/node/358)  when you can simply apt-get it :)
[03:16] <tritium> Torakiky, blacklist it
[03:16] <tritium> and modprobe -r ipv6 in the mean time
[03:16] <thenuke> in that guide you are told to install some libraries and whatever, and then install and use somekind of xfce -installer to install it finally :)
[03:17] <Torakiky> tritium:  I'm quite newbie on linux..I don't know how to do..
[03:17] <lavigj> cevans: umm... route doesn't show anything....
[03:17] <Torakiky> blacklisting I mean..
[03:17] <cevans> Torakiky: add the module name to /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[03:18] <Torakiky> cevans:  ok thank you
[03:18] <cevans> lavigj: Not even for ath0?
[03:18] <tritium> cevans, that's right
[03:18] <tritium> Torakiky, see cevans' reply
[03:18] <lavigj> cevans: nothing...
[03:18] <Ronan151> does anyone know of a good anti-virus for linux?
[03:18] <tritium> Torakiky, and for now, run this: "sudo modprobe -r ipv6"
[03:18] <cevans> Ronan151: Why do you need one?
[03:18] <Ronan151> i dont know
[03:19] <Ronan151> just thought i would add one to my arsonal
[03:19] <cevans> lavigj: Maybe /etc/network/interfaces didn't set up the gateway right?
[03:19] <dash> hiya! has anyone here used Xen with ubuntu?
[03:19] <GammaRay> Ronan151: find a good virus first
[03:19] <Ronan151> good point
[03:19] <lavigj> cevans: hmm... it could be, but shouldn't DHCP take care fo that?
[03:20] <dash> i'm trying to figure out if it's possible to get the ubuntu kernel patches to work with it.
[03:20] <cevans> lavigj: Well, if route doesn't show anything, I don't think it is set up right.
[03:20] <cevans> lavigj: But dhcp should set that up, yes.
[03:20] <lavigj> cevans: ok, any recommendations on how to take care of that? :)
[03:21] <cevans> lavigj: Have you tried just running dhcp by itself without using /etc/network/interfaces?
[03:21] <lavigj> cevans: no, how might I go about that?
[03:21] <cevans> lavigj: "dhclient ath0"
[03:21] <thenuke> WHOA, apt-getting firefox will take 77megs from hd =)
[03:21] <GammaRay> frasnkly there are so many different distros and setups I doubt there would ever be a wide spread virus; everyone even runs different versions of the kernel.
[03:21] <Torakiky> mmm
[03:21] <lavigj> cevans: thanks, I will try
[03:21] <Torakiky> it gives me an error
[03:22] <Torakiky> tells me ipv6 is in use..
[03:22] <Torakiky> even if I disconnected
[03:22] <Ronan151>  error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed
[03:22] <Ronan151> is that packaged with ubuntu
[03:22] <lavigj> cevans: still nothing in route... and based on what that did, I think that /etc/network/interfaces is handling DHCP ok
[03:23] <GammaRay> Ronan151: sure
[03:23] <cevans> Torakiky: You probably need to reboot. I think it is difficult to remove ipv6.
[03:23] <lavigj> cevans: based on another ubuntu machine I have, route should have stuff in it, so I think that's probably it.
[03:24] <Torakiky> I want to remove it..
[03:24] <cevans> lavigj: I am not sure then. It am nearly certain it is a route problem though. I have stuff in mine.
[03:24] <sgteich> Is there a way to see what resolution and color depth X is running at from a terminal command line?
[03:24] <Torakiky> internet browsers go very very slow
[03:24] <cevans> Torakiky: I mean, it is difficult to remove without blacklisting and restarting.
[03:25] <cevans> Torakiky: It causes browsers to go slowly?
[03:25] <lavigj> cevans: I have heard this before... that it could cause browsers to work more slowly. don't remember who or where, but I have heard it
[03:25] <Ex-Cyber> is Array 5 out, or is the array-5 directory a snapshot or somesuch?
[03:25] <Torakiky> I think yes
[03:25] <Ronan151> anyone here use wine?
[03:26] <lavigj> cevans: I may just do another ubuntu install on this laptop... I can back everything up pretty easy.
[03:26] <cevans> Hmmm... I know I am not using ipv6, and lsmod shows it being used heavily.
[03:26] <Mr_Milenko> hey, does anyone know.. this might sound retarded.. but i cant get GNOME's splash screen too change :-/
[03:26] <cevans> lavigj: That would probably help, though it might be a driver issue.
[03:26] <Mr_Milenko> anyone know how to change it from the Ubuntu logo?
[03:27] <tritium> Mr_Milenko, that's in the FAQ, I believe
[03:27] <Mr_Milenko> i read a few things i found in google but that didnt work lol
[03:27] <Torakiky> cevans: I think yes
[03:27] <adoyretsamon> wow.. forgot how "clean" fvwm is
[03:28] <tritium> Mr_Milenko, if not, it's in the wiki
[03:28] <lavigj> cevans: yeah.... I dunno. I know that the drivers from when I first installed worked. I may try to get it working, and then hold the drivers at that version
[03:29] <tritium> Mr_Milenko, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OldFrequentlyAskedQuestions/
[03:29] <cevans> Torakiky: Hmm... thanks - I will try removing that.
[03:29] <pagefault> Mr_Milenko, update-alternatives --config desktop-splash
[03:30] <Mr_Milenko> erm..
[03:30] <Mr_Milenko> No alternatives for desktop-splash.
[03:30] <pagefault> weird
[03:30] <Mr_Milenko> im a newbie man.. gotta be clearer.. sorry :(
[03:30] <pagefault> are you using warty or hoary?
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> warty
[03:31] <pagefault> hrm
[03:31] <pagefault> not sure then
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> so far i love this distro.. but im a general linux newbie
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:31] <cevans> Mr_Milenko: start a terminal, and then type that command in.
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> i did
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> as root or as myself?
[03:32] <aroman> in hoary, why is there a splash option on the kernel command line in grub? there are no bootsplash packages
[03:32] <tritium> aroman, there's a grub splashimage package
[03:33] <tritium> Mr_Milenko, I sent you a link
[03:34] <Mr_Milenko> oh ok
[03:34] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:34] <Mr_Milenko> didnt see it
[03:34] <tritium> Mr_Milenko, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#splashscreenimage
[03:34] <lavigj> cevans: thanks a lot for all your help... seriously
[03:34] <Mr_Milenko> thankyou
[03:34] <tritium> Mr_Milenko, that may be out-dated.  If it is, let us know
[03:34] <cevans> lavigj: No problem.
[03:35] <lavigj> cevans: I plugged in to a cable connection and I am backing up files now. you helped me figure out that this was more than i wanted to deal with right now :)
[03:35] <Mr_Milenko> aaah.. i see now..
[03:36] <lavigj> peace ya'll, I am off to do other things wile files backup
[03:36] <Mr_Milenko> thats what i was doing but i was only doing it for root.. and root has no session
[03:36] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[03:36] <Mr_Milenko> didnt know i could run that from a regular user...
[03:36] <Ainvar> evening all
[03:37] <Mr_Milenko> nwo toos ee if it works
[03:38] <Ainvar> man I am digging ubuntu so much
[03:38] <dash> it is diggable
[03:38] <Ainvar> I made my linux box at work ubuntu
[03:38] <Ainvar> both of them actually
[03:39] <Ainvar> one was running suse 9.2 and the other fedora core 3
[03:39] <Ainvar> now I have one running warty and the hoary
[03:40] <cevans> Ainvar: Yes, ubuntu is quite nice. I switched over from running Debian unstable/experimental, and I still get very recent GNOME packages..
[03:42] <dash> yes
[03:42] <dash> if i could get the ubuntu kernel patches to a xen kernel, i would have no problems at all :)
[03:43] <cevans> dash: Hmm... what do you mean - you are trying to run xen in ubuntu, or ubuntu in xen?
[03:43] <dash> cevans: yes
[03:43] <helio7> cevans: I don't have a file called .xsession in my /home directory!
[03:43] <dash> cevans: not sure what "xen in ubuntu" means
[03:44] <Ainvar> what is xen?
[03:44] <cevans> helio7: Did you create that?
[03:44] <dash> cevans: i'm not picky about what i run in domU but i would like my dom0 to run ubuntu
[03:44] <helio7> cevans: I need to create one?
[03:44] <dash> Ainvar: hypervisor thingy
[03:44] <PapaPitufo> Cube-ness? as in pyCube?
[03:44] <tritium> I'm getting "Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion" when using xfig.  I think I need iso-8859-1 locale to fix that.
[03:44] <cevans> helio7: Yes, create a file called .xsession in your home directory, and put the command you need to start the desktop environment in there.
[03:45] <dash> dang, people still use xfig? :)
[03:45] <helio7> cevans: ahhh ty
[03:45] <cevans> dash: Oops, I was confused about what xen was.
[03:45] <tritium> dash, yes, for figures in conference and journal papers using LaTeX
[03:45] <helio7> relogging
[03:45] <cevans> dash: xfig is a great program.
[03:46] <cevans> dash: Though metapost works well too.
[03:46] <dash> cevans: well except for the athena widgets
[03:46] <tritium> I've not come across an xfig replacement that can use the Special flag for text so that LaTeX can be run on that text.
[03:46] <dash> doesn't inkscape do eps yet? :)
[03:46] <tritium> eps, but not LaTeX text
[03:46] <dash> tritium: well ok, i've never needed that, that's a good point
[03:46] <PapaPitufo> Who can give me a hint here? Ubuntu has squibbled up things to that my first partition is hda2, and the start of the extended partition is hda1? ?? Anybody seen this before?
[03:47] <tritium> dash, :)
[03:47] <dash> PapaPitufo: i did that once! it was awesome!
[03:47] <PapaPitufo> I can't access hda2 at all
[03:47] <PapaPitufo> dash: how dya fix it?
[03:47] <tritium> So what's the argument against enabling that locale in Hoary?
[03:47] <dash> PapaPitufo: oh. i didn't
[03:47] <dash> PapaPitufo: i never had problems accessing any of the partitions though
[03:47] <Ainvar> ok I searched on this but did not find anything with my search strings
[03:47] <Ainvar> in gnome 2.8 in warty
[03:47] <dash> PapaPitufo: i use lvm these days *shrug*
[03:47] <PapaPitufo> dash: when logging from a boot disk, my hda2 partition (fat32) gives me an abort retry fail
[03:47] <Ainvar> the taskbar at the bottom actually filled up with my windows and shrunk them as needed
[03:48] <PapaPitufo> dash: lvm?
[03:48] <Ainvar> now all the tasks are like really compact small showing just the icon a d a few letters
[03:48] <Ainvar> anyway to fix this
[03:48] <dash> PapaPitufo: yes! it is way better than partitioning
[03:49] <PapaPitufo> dash: never heard of it. Will it help me get my hda2 (1?) back?
[03:49] <dash> PapaPitufo: well yeah once you've gotten this far, it's tricky
[03:49] <dash> PapaPitufo: what tools were you using for editing your disk?
[03:50] <PapaPitufo> dash: I had the partitions already setup since ages ago. It's just after deciding to install Ubuntu that things got messy
[03:51] <oz_> hiya all - does anyone know of issues with nautilius opening a location eg: applications:///
[03:51] <cevans> dash: For Xen, why can't you just use a stock kernel?
[03:51] <PapaPitufo> dash: this is the output from lvmdiskscan: http://www.pastebin.com/243597
[03:51] <dash> cevans: because the way xen works requires a non-stock kernel
[03:51] <Airforcepunk04> are the cds live cd (run off cdrom)
[03:51] <dash> Airforcepunk04: there is a live cd, and an install cd
[03:51] <cevans> dash: Err, I mean with the stock kernel for xen, and nothing ubuntu specific.
[03:52] <dash> cevans: Oh
[03:52] <dash> cevans: well i would like it to support my wifi card, for one thing
[03:52] <SpinalTapp> grrrrr
[03:52] <dash> cevans: but yeah, maybe i oughta start there... hm
[03:52] <SpinalTapp> after all this time, i still haven't managed to figure out how to burn a freakin ISO cd that will boot.
[03:53] <SpinalTapp> i've gotten it to boot up from the disc, but never to the Ubuntu live ISO... i keep screwing it up
[03:53] <PapaPitufo> dash: I know hda1 is physically *after* hda2
[03:53] <dash> yeah
[03:53] <dash> which is handy for booting windows
[03:53] <SpinalTapp> i downloaded CDBurnerXP Pro 3
[03:53] <PapaPitufo> dash: come again? was that to me?
[03:54] <ray2004airforce> what is the best cdburner software to use to burn live cd's
[03:54] <tritium> I'm not too familiar with locales.  Is there any negative effect of re-enabling iso-8859-1?
[03:54] <Ainvar> in linux or winblows?
[03:54] <cevans> SpinalTapp: And it won't burn the ISO?
[03:54] <dash> PapaPitufo: yeah. i wound up in that situation once, trying to get stuff moved around on disk to support dual boot to windows
[03:54] <PapaPitufo> ray2004airforce, cdrecord
[03:54] <PapaPitufo> dash: yes! that's where I'm at
[03:54] <dash> tritium: it'll sap and impurify your bodily essences, probably
[03:54] <dash> tritium: but other than that, i bet it is ok
[03:54] <ray2004airforce> Papapitufo cdrecord is a software program
[03:54] <tritium> dash, but it's not only possible, it's essential
[03:55] <SpinalTapp> cevas: it has like 2 or 3 different ways to burn an ISO, i can't seem to get the right one
[03:55] <PapaPitufo> dash: I installed windows first, as often suggested
[03:55] <cevans> SpinalTapp: What are the options?
[03:55] <PapaPitufo> dash: and later I installed Ubuntu
[03:55] <ray2004airforce> i have roxio easy creator 5 will that work for LIVE CD"S
[03:55] <ray2004airforce> download than burn
[03:56] <PapaPitufo> dash: do you think this situation is an Ubuntu misconfiguration, or do you think stuff in the disk has been physically meshed up?
[03:56] <DonL> Yes. I have Roxio here too. Couldn't get nero to work properly
[03:56] <dash> PapaPitufo: well, what's happening exactly? you can't boot windows?
[03:56] <dash> tritium: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:56] <PapaPitufo> ray2004airforce, yes EasyCD should let you burn livecds. they're normal isos
[03:57] <dash> tritium: wait. is that water with flour in it?
[03:57] <PapaPitufo> dash: windows partition is inexistent to any tools!
[03:57] <dash> tritium: mmmmm paste. it reminds me of my childhood.
[03:57] <tritium> dash, flouride, to sap and impurify your bodily essences :)
[03:57] <PapaPitufo> dash: fdisk, mount, and qtparted see /hda2, but mounting it gets me nothing
[03:57] <DonL> I go to "file", and then "make a cd" I think that's what it says
[03:57] <dash> PapaPitufo: how are you trying to mount it?
[03:57] <PapaPitufo> dash: rebooting with a DOS diskette shows C: as non-existen (abort retry fail)
[03:58] <PapaPitufo> dash: so I guess I can't even fdisk mbr the thing
[03:58] <cevans> ISO Burning in Windows seems to be a big problem.
[03:58] <PapaPitufo> dash: with normal mount, or through fstab
[03:58] <Ainvar> nero works perfect for me
[03:58] <dash> PapaPitufo: Hmmm
[03:58] <w8driver> k3b!!!
[03:58] <dash> PapaPitufo: and grub won't boot it?
[03:58] <Ainvar> have not tried to burn a cd in linux
[03:58] <DonL> I must say, I made a bunch of coasters learning how
[03:58] <PapaPitufo> grub boots ubuntu
[03:59] <dash> PapaPitufo: well yes
[03:59] <tritium> jdub, are there any serious negative effects of re-enabling iso-8859-1 locale?
[03:59] <PapaPitufo> dash: wait. I haven't tried booting windows xp from grub
[03:59] <dash> PapaPitufo: i bet it is worth trying
[03:59] <PapaPitufo> dash: will you be here? I'll go try out
[03:59] <jdub> tritium: everyone will laugh at you :|
[03:59] <dash> PapaPitufo: sure.
[03:59] <jdub> :-)
[03:59] <dash> PapaPitufo: do you know how?
[03:59] <jdub> tritium: why do you want to?
[03:59] <PapaPitufo> dash: any other suggestions to try, since I'm leaving?
[03:59] <tritium> jdub, I get errors using xfig with it
[03:59] <dash> hi jdub!
[03:59] <jdub> tritium: that's a bug!
[03:59] <PapaPitufo> dash: it's in the menu
[03:59] <jdub> tritium: that should be fixed :)
[03:59] <jdub> morning all
[03:59] <tritium> jdub, okay...
[04:00] <dash> PapaPitufo: ah. well, that is the first thing i would try
[04:00] <PapaPitufo> ok bbl
[04:00] <tritium> are bugs in universe packages reportable?
[04:00] <Torakiky^> does anybody has problem with slowed browser?
[04:01] <tritium> Torakiky^, I do seem to recall some review of ubuntu where the reviewer disabled ipv6 for that reason
[04:01] <Torakiky^> i blacklisted ipv6 module
[04:01] <Torakiky^> but nothing has changed
[04:01] <tritium> Torakiky^, did it not help?
[04:01] <DonL> I disabled it in mine
[04:01] <LinuxJones> Torakiky^, google for speed up mozilla browser
[04:02] <DonL> Works fast now
[04:02] <SpinalTapp> i'm gonna try something real quick
[04:02] <tritium> DonL, what did you do?
[04:02] <SpinalTapp> brb
[04:02] <Torakiky^> DonL:  same question :P
[04:02] <DonL> ....have to remember...
[04:02] <al3x> everybody, iam searching for java developer program any body help me..??
[04:03] <DonL> in address bar, type "about:config"
[04:04] <DonL> ...then find where it tells you to turn off ipv6
[04:04] <tritium> DonL, so you only disabled in firefox, not system-wide?
[04:04] <DonL> Double click and it will change the option
[04:04] <DonL> Yes. Just in Firefox
[04:05] <Torakiky^> well but wich option should I "turn off"
[04:05] <Torakiky^> ?
[04:05] <Torakiky^> and how?
[04:06] <DonL> network.dns.disableIPv6     This is the value to change
[04:06] <LinuxJones> Torakiky^, >> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts
[04:07] <I_AM_CHRIST> hello everyone
[04:07] <Torakiky^> DonL: thanks
[04:07] <DonL> NP
[04:07] <Torakiky^> LinuxJones:  what's that?
[04:07] <LinuxJones> Torakiky^, some other stuff to speed up mozilla
[04:07] <I_AM_CHRIST> Linux is great
[04:08] <I_AM_CHRIST> I have decried it so
[04:08] <tritium> Torakiky^, I know there's a system-wide way to do it, involving setting an alias in /etc/modprobe.d
[04:08] <tritium> I just can't recall right now where I saw that.
[04:08] <DonL> tritium, me too. I read it somewhere
[04:08] <Torakiky^> I tried modprobe -r ipv6
[04:08] <Torakiky^> but it didn't work
[04:08] <tritium> DonL, wasn't it an OSNews review?
[04:09] <DonL> Could have been, tritium. Not sure
[04:09] <Torakiky^> DonL:  when disabled they change from normal to grasset?
[04:10] <hikaru79> How can I manually add items to the "Applications" menu in GNOME?
[04:10] <DonL> Torakiky^,  not sure. Sorry
[04:10] <LinuxJones> tritium, you have to edit the aliases file
[04:10] <I_AM_CHRIST> right click, configure
[04:10] <anthonws> hello!
[04:10] <I_AM_CHRIST> Hello child
[04:11] <Torakiky^> it seems to be better
[04:11] <anthonws> i have a question to make, can someone help me please?
[04:12] <I_AM_CHRIST> I can help anyone child
[04:12] <anthonws> nice
[04:12] <I_AM_CHRIST> what do you need?
[04:12] <anthonws> i have installed hoary from cd
[04:12] <anthonws> it has reognized the majority of my laptop hardware
[04:12] <anthonws> *recognized
[04:12] <DonL> Here is where I found the speed up. It may not be a popular site though. http://ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[04:13] <anthonws> including my wireless card, wich during install question me about being the default card or not
[04:13] <I_AM_CHRIST> ok
[04:13] <anthonws> but after the system installed i can only see the eth0 (the default)
[04:13] <tritium> DonL, LinuxJones, Torakiky: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9650, under the "Tweaking" section
[04:13] <anthonws> i tried ifconfig ath0 up
[04:13] <thenuke> forums and the FAQ section has some 'firefox breathing fire' thread, it has more speedup  tips
[04:13] <osmel> dash???
[04:14] <osmel> damn he left
[04:14] <anthonws> i checked the hardware manager and there is an entry for the card but, no pci string
[04:14] <tritium> osmel, dash is very fast
[04:14] <osmel> ok any partitioning gurus here?
[04:14] <osmel> tritium, meaning he just stops by and quickly leaves?
[04:15] <tritium> osmel, I'm just joking ;)
[04:15] <thenuke> ARGH. my screen goes into some kind powersave mode when I try startx X-I
[04:15] <osmel> yeah sorry im not in the mood for jokes, i got a problem here
[04:15] <thenuke> any ideas :)
[04:15] <mlambie> I have a wireless card in my IBM thinkpad that uses the madwifi driver. When i resume from suspend, the wireless netowrk will not associate anymore. kismet shows that it can *see* the network but it won't reconnect. where should i be checking?
[04:16] <osmel> thenuke, perhaps you got x going at an unsupported resolution
[04:18] <Torakiky> tritium, DonL , LinuxJones : http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts it works
[04:18] <Torakiky> follow instructions
[04:18] <LinuxJones> Torakiky, :)
[04:18] <DonL> Torakiky, I'll check that
[04:18] <Torakiky> :P
[04:18] <tritium> Torakiky, did you see the URL I sent you above?
[04:18] <osmel> brb
[04:19] <avdd> What's the kernel package in U?
[04:19] <DonL> Torakiky, Yes!! I did that. And I did notice a difference!
[04:19] <Torakiky> yes tritium I saw those url
[04:19] <tritium> avdd, linux-image-*
[04:19] <avdd> tritium: thanks
[04:20] <anthonws> wifi problem! card appears at he device manager but cant bring it up (ex: ifconfig ath0 up)... cant find the pci.string. please help me
[04:21] <Torakiky> now I have to solve another problem..
[04:22] <thenuke> osmel: dpkg-reconfigure x did the right kind of magic :)  I think my monitor or graphics adapter does not support 1024x768 X-I
[04:23] <helio7> has anyone succeeded in loading a quicktime plugin into firefox?
[04:24] <Torakiky> hey guys, are you all from UK?
[04:24] <anthonws> no... i'm from portugal
[04:24] <LinuxJones> Torakiky, << Canada
[04:24] <hikaru79> How can I manually add items to the "Applications" menu in GNOME?
[04:25] <nmy> ls
[04:25] <nmy> hehe
[04:25] <nmy> wrong term
[04:25] <Ainvar> Atl GA usa here
[04:27] <pagefault> canada here
[04:27] <tritium> Torakiky, no
[04:28] <DonL> Canada here as well
[04:28] <GammaRay> hikaru79: in nautilus.. control-l and enter applications:///
[04:28] <cevans> Did SpinalTapp ever get the iso working?
[04:29] <tritium> cevans, I don't think so.  Poor guy.
[04:29] <stuNNed> tritium: hi
[04:29] <cevans> tritium: It is a problem. There isn't really any good program for burning linux CD's on Windows.
[04:29] <tritium> stuNNed, hello there
[04:30] <stuNNed> cevans: it's just an iso, geez :\
[04:30] <tritium> cevans, really?  I haven't used windows in a long time
[04:30] <DonL> Me too tritium
[04:30] <Torakiky> cevans: I burned it with alchool 120%
[04:30] <cevans> tritium, stuNNed: I mean, free.
[04:30] <Torakiky> and it works fine
[04:31] <tritium> DonL, nice :)
[04:32] <helio7> cevans: I edited .xsessions and can get to fluxbox and gnome via the chooser, for some reason blackbox isn't listed but shows up as the "default session" and then if I exit out of blackbox/ gnome loads!
[04:32] <dc17> Anyone know if reiserfs or ext3 recommended for hoary on a laptop?
[04:32] <cevans> helio7: gdm is a bit bizarre in it's sessions.
[04:32] <cevans> dc17: I use reiserfs
[04:33] <tritium> dc17, ext3 is more often recommended
[04:33] <cevans> I mean its
[04:33] <anthonws> dc17: im also using reiserfs in my laptop
[04:33] <Ainvar> cevans, for windows there is an awesome burning program for linux cds
[04:33] <Ainvar> it is nero
[04:33] <Torakiky> someone can tell me a good cd burner for gnome?
[04:33] <Ainvar> never made a coaster with it
[04:33] <tritium> Torakiky, graveman
[04:33] <helio7> am I correct in understanding that no quictime plugin support for firefox on linux exists?
[04:33] <tritium> but it's only in Hoary
[04:33] <cevans> dc17: reiserfs is faster, ext3 is probably more reliable.
[04:34] <Ainvar> and use it all the time to burn new isos when I want to use a new version or flavor of linux
[04:34] <Torakiky> I'm running hoary on my pc
[04:34] <dc17> tritium: ext3 recommended for battery life?
[04:34] <Ainvar> does dvd images really good also
[04:34] <DonL> I have no probs with QT, helio7
[04:34] <tritium> dc17, not sure about that.
[04:34] <dc17> cevans: my SuSE partition has reiser and it's slooow, but that's probably KDE's fault
[04:34] <cevans> helio7: not really, but you could use mplayer.
[04:34] <anthonws> wifi problem.... please... can see card in dev. manager but cant bring up the card (rx: ifcongfig ath0 up). no pci.string found...
[04:34] <helio7> sometimes DLing a movie isn't an option, and they want you to watch it embedded
[04:35] <DonL> true
[04:35] <tritium> anthonws, sorry, don't know about that one.  Is it a removable card?
[04:35] <DonL> I only have major problems with wmv files
[04:36] <cevans> helio7:  I think there is a mplayer plugin for firefox, which might work if you have the windows codecs installed.
[04:36] <tritium> mlambie, is your card removable?
[04:37] <cevans> Ainvar: Nero isn't free, is it? I would like something to recommend to people who come here and ask about what to use. I don't use windows myself.
[04:37] <DonL> Somehow, and I don't know what happened, I think a kernel update screwed up my mplayer. So I reinstalled with Xine and Totem which are the Ubuntu defaults, and am now trying to make that work
[04:37] <anthonws> tritium: no its internal. during the install it even asked me if i wanted as default network card...
[04:38] <tritium> anthonws, oh.
[04:38] <tritium> anthonws, what kind of card?
[04:38] <anthonws> tritium: a atheros
[04:39] <tritium> Does that require ndiswrapper?
[04:39] <ells> tritium: I got a question for you
[04:39] <tritium> ells, ok
[04:39] <ells> I tried reviving my old desktop
[04:39] <anthonws> tritium: i think not
[04:40] <tritium> anthonws, I'm not sure what to suggest
[04:40] <ells> tritium: when I hooked up my hard drive to the ribbon, it would not boot, when I unhooked the drive and started it, it went to try to find the drive. of course it didnt, but I was wondering if you know why
[04:40] <cevans> anthonws: Do you have the exact error message?
[04:40] <anthonws> tritium: ok. i'm going to check the ndiswrapper
[04:40] <pagefault> atheros should be supported in the restricted modules package
[04:40] <ells> tritium: or if you have an idea
[04:41] <anthonws> cevans: no error message.. ex: ifconfig ath0 up andit tells me no device found
[04:41] <hikaru79> I've just done 'apt-get install viewcvs viewcvs-queries' and the installation was succesful as far as I know. What directory do I move to /var/www/ so that I can access it through my Apache2 webserver?
[04:41] <tritium> pagefault, is right, I think.  apt-cache search atheros does return the l-r-m packages
[04:41] <tritium> ells, did you hook the drive up correctly?
[04:41] <pagefault> I don't have an atheros card but I saw support for them in that package when I was looking at it in synaptic
[04:41] <pagefault> madwifi
[04:41] <cevans> anthonws: probably the driver then.
[04:42] <anthonws> hum
[04:42] <anthonws> ok
[04:42] <ells> tritium: honestly, I think so
[04:42] <anthonws> thanks
[04:42] <LinuxJones> night all :)
[04:42] <anthonws> gona try on of them
[04:42] <tritium> good catch pagefault.  anthonws did you catch that?
[04:42] <ells> just to check, I left off everything but the drive
[04:42] <aroman> anyone installed beagle on hoary?
[04:42] <anthonws> tritium: probably no.
[04:42] <cevans> aroman: I did, but the cvs dbus messed up other things.
[04:43] <tritium> anthonws, pagefault noticed that atheros module is in linux-restricted-modules
[04:43] <tritium> anthonws, install the one that matches your kernel version exactly
[04:43] <aroman> cevans, hmm yeah I was wondering cuz beagle wants dbus-0.23.1 but hoary has 0.23... :(
[04:43] <ells> tritium: could there be something wrong with the board. It just is crazy that the board will boot with nothing hooked up, but wont when the drives are hooked to the ribbons
[04:44] <cevans> aroman: If I recall, Hal wouldn't work, which broke update-manager, and dbus-ruby wouldn't work either.
[04:44] <DonL> I must be off now folks. Nice chatting to all!
[04:44] <regeya> whoa!  apt-cache show textedit
[04:44] <Torakiky> good night all
[04:44] <NetwrkMonkey> mmm i love synaptic
[04:44] <NetwrkMonkey> so first time i futzed up an update
[04:44] <anthonws> tritium: thank you. just one more thing... :) my gdm freezes after the login screen. where can i see the error log?
[04:44] <tritium> ells, is the drive new and possibly unsupported by the mobo?
[04:44] <NetwrkMonkey> went back to a previous kernel
[04:44] <aroman> cevans, well yeah.. makes sense since it wanted one version of dbus, while another was installed
[04:44] <cevans> regeya: ?
[04:45] <regeya> I take it that's an earlier version of textedit that's common on os x boxes now
[04:45] <NetwrkMonkey> and reran the update and blamo it worked
[04:45] <tritium> anthonws, are you using Warty?  Hoary?
[04:45] <anthonws> tritium: hoary
[04:45] <regeya> the copyright says NeXT
[04:45] <ells> naw, it is old, but I do know for certain that the hard drive is good
[04:45] <tritium> anthonws, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:45] <cevans> aroman: I think everything else worked, though.
[04:45] <regeya> then again, this version has no .doc support afaik...bummer
[04:45] <anthonws> tritium: nice. thanks for the help
[04:45] <ells> tritim: to make a story shot, on another computer last night, I installed ubuntu on it
[04:46] <tritium> anthonws, sure.  pagefault found it, though
[04:46] <ells> tritium: the computer wont boot with either the cdrom or hard drive hooked up.
[04:46] <aroman> cevans, what is update-manager?
[04:46] <pagefault> hehe, I guess atheros only has binary drivers
[04:46] <ells> tritium: I am leaning to the mother board somehow being bad
[04:46] <pagefault> there is an open source one but it's not even being close to being done
[04:46] <tritium> ells, sounds possible.
[04:47] <anthonws> bye ppl. nice weekend! yupiiieeee
[04:47] <ells> tritium: it is unfortunate, I was gonna makek a little network with that old computer
[04:47] <cevans> aroman: I don't think it is installed by default - it is a tray icon that informs you about updates. I think it uses hal, so that breaks it.
[04:47] <tritium> anthonws, see you
[04:47] <aroman> cevans, ah
[04:47] <aroman> cevans, I'll try installing dbus-0.23.3 from their site
[04:48] <aroman> how can I make apt-get think that a package is installed?
[04:48] <thenuke> hmm.. I want rox-filer, and it seems to be only available for hoary.. so I edit apt sources to hoary and then update, install rox-filer, edit apt sources back to warty and update again?
[04:48] <cevans> aroman: see checkinstall
[04:48] <aroman> cevans, checkinstall is a command?
[04:49] <cevans> aroman: No, a package. It might not be what you want though - it makes a quick package from make install.
[04:49] <tritium> ells, too bad :(
[04:49] <ells> tritium: yeah, I will try to find a new board this week. hopefully cheap
[04:49] <aroman> cevans, very nice... I think I'll use that
[04:50] <cevans> aroman: Yes, it is very useful.
[04:53] <osmel> when you want to come, relax, don't do it
[04:54] <tritium> ells, I'm taking off.  See you later.
[04:57] <avdd> What packages should I install to do the ubuntu device probing?
[05:00] <cg0def> how do you add applications to the start menu in hoary?
[05:00] <cg0def> there is no applications:/// anymore
[05:01] <stuNNed> hmm, stuNNed would like to know the answer to that as well :\
[05:02] <hikaru79> Are there any graphical CVS clients (like Cervisia) for GNOME?
[05:02] <hikaru79> (But Cervisia is for KDE)
[05:03] <cg0def> yeah the is one called something like gcvs it is the gnome version of wincvs
[05:04] <stuNNed> nice
[05:07] <viper12> evening all.  First off.....is there ANY way to enable the cups admin via the web page??? and second, if not, is there a gui admin tool for cups?  I've been pulling my hair out on this one.
[05:07] <SiRrUs> hello
[05:10] <hawke> .|.. gnome developers. :-/
[05:11] <SiRrUs> very quiet in here
[05:11] <NetwrkMonkey> viper search the ubuntu forums
[05:11] <NetwrkMonkey> and you can manage it through computer system configuration printing
[05:11] <viper12> lol.........what do you think i've been DOING for the last 2 hours ?
[05:12] <SiRrUs> hoary or warty
[05:12] <cg0def> are debian pkgs really incompatible with ubuntu?
[05:12] <hawke> cg0def: Not usually
[05:13] <viper12> 2 ubuntu machines.  one is local to the printer.......works fine.  trying to get the OTHER machine to SEE the cups printer...
[05:13] <cg0def> what might be incompatible then?
[05:13] <hawke> cg0def: Gnome probably wouldn't play nice.
[05:13] <cg0def> yeah that's right
[05:13] <hawke> cg0def: generally system stuff.
[05:13] <hawke> cg0def: most apps should be OK.
[05:13] <viper12> web admin barfs when trying to do any ADMIN, and the forums seemed to indicate that ubuntu has WONDERFULLY disabled the damn thing...which I find highly annoying.
[05:13] <hawke> cg0def: why do you ask?
[05:14] <cg0def> because I can't seem to find anything in the ubuntu database
[05:14] <cg0def> and I know the stuff is in debian
[05:15] <aroman> damn beagle won't work! :(
[05:15] <cg0def> but then again I am using hoary with amd64 so even with debian I might have some problems
[05:15] <avdd> Is apache 1.3 unsupported?
[05:17] <hawke> cg0def: Do you have universe enabled?
[05:17] <cg0def> yes
[05:17] <cg0def> but stuff like beep-media-player and other not very popular apps do not show up
[05:17] <hawke> cg0def: beep-media-player is there.
[05:18] <hawke> cg0def: I have it installed. :-)
[05:18] <cg0def> nm I just checked again right after I wrote that and it is
[05:18] <cg0def> I guess last time that I checked the apt db wasn't updated
[05:18] <hawke> hehe
[05:18] <cg0def> yeah a really newby thing to do
[05:19] <speel> hey when will ubuntu release new pkg for gaim?
[05:20] <speel> ( if there any devs in here )
[05:20] <G_pooper> how do I get rid of a program using terminal
[05:20] <speel> xkill whatever
[05:20] <nmy> or if it is running but you can't see it,
[05:21] <nmy> and know part of the name...
[05:21] <G_pooper>  xkill don't work
[05:21] <nmy> ps ax | grep programname
[05:21] <nmy> then
[05:21] <G_pooper> no it always freezes so I want to get rid of it
[05:21] <nmy> killall programname
[05:22] <nmy> maybe he quit xchat >>
[05:22] <nmy> er, killedit
[05:25] <dilema-U> xchat 2.4.1 is latest xchat?
[05:26] <SiRrUs> i believe it is the latest
[05:27] <GPRIME666> how do I make login page different
[05:27] <GPRIME666> I have download some, but how do I install
[05:27] <bigern75> greetings
[05:27] <SiRrUs> hello
[05:27] <bigern75> i gotta a quick question
[05:28] <GPRIME666> how do I make login page different
[05:28] <bigern75> i loaded ubuntu with no problems it works great but it didnt mount my hd's
[05:28] <GPRIME666> I have download some, but how do I install
[05:28] <SiRrUs> bigern75 the live cd?
[05:28] <sgteich> Has anyone whos using a GeForce FX 5600 gotten it to display 1600X1200?
[05:28] <bigern75> how do i get it to find my hd's and mount them without reinstalling it
[05:28] <bigern75> nope,  install
[05:29] <SiRrUs> strange
[05:29] <bigern75> well,  i screwed up and forgot to tell them raid
[05:29] <bigern75> errrr   call them raid
[05:30] <bigern75> i can see them in the device mngr
[05:30] <GPRIME666> I have downloaded some logins screens. How may I be able to install these on Ubuntu?
[05:30] <dilema-U> GPRIME666, GDM config
[05:31] <GPRIME666> dilema-U, how do I do that, I am lost, new ubu user
[05:31] <dilema-U> well it's not really ubuntu specific
[05:31] <dilema-U> it's gnome
[05:31] <GPRIME666> let me rephrase
[05:31] <GPRIME666> first time Linux
[05:31] <dilema-U> gdmconfig
[05:31] <dilema-U> as root
[05:32] <GPRIME666> dilema-U, ok thanks
[05:32] <bigern75> is there a way to go back and add them SiRrUs
[05:32] <dilema-U> np
[05:32] <SiRrUs> no idea
[05:33] <dilema-U> bigern75, umm
[05:33] <dilema-U> i'd say it's an involved process
[05:33] <dilema-U> easier to reinstall and set them up as raid during that stage
[05:33] <bigern75> that sux,    i guess
[05:33] <dilema-U> it does
[05:33] <bigern75> ok   thats what i was gionna say
[05:33] <dilema-U> unless you wanna keep 1 hdd out of raid
[05:33] <dilema-U> for now
[05:33] <dilema-U> that being the /
[05:34] <GPRIME666> dilema-U, appreciate it
[05:34] <dilema-U> and set up the others as raid
[05:34] <GPRIME666> GIMPY OUT
[05:34] <bigern75> naw,  ive got 2 more in there that has a bunch of stuff i wany
[05:34] <dilema-U> copy file to a diff mount point after setting up as raid
[05:34] <dilema-U>  / files that is
[05:34] <dilema-U> edit fstab
[05:34] <bigern75> i'll reinstall and set them as raid
[05:34] <dilema-U> (yeah it's more involved than that but thats the idea)
[05:35] <bigern75> ok kewl    thanx for the info!!!!
[05:36] <pussfeller> ram is always mbs..
[05:36] <dilema-U> or MBs
[05:36] <pussfeller> hiw come this computer which is uspposed to have 512 only shows 448
[05:36] <dilema-U> pussfeller,
[05:36] <dilema-U> lol welcome to the tech world
[05:37] <dilema-U> kind alike "why did i buy a 110GB HDD and it says 107GB"
[05:37] <pussfeller> i know how that happens with hds
[05:37] <dilema-U> yeah
[05:37] <pussfeller> but i didnt think it happened with ram
[05:37] <dilema-U> same idea
[05:37] <whisker_e> What do ubuntu users install for developing in python?
[05:37] <pussfeller> man, thats a load o crap
[05:37] <dilema-U> pussfeller, indeed
[05:37] <dilema-U> but you're missing a lot
[05:38] <sgteich> onboard video
[05:38] <dilema-U> and i'd say enough to call it defective
[05:38] <dilema-U> sgteich, that doesn't gte registered as used though
[05:38] <dilema-U> it's shared
[05:38] <pussfeller> if its 512 it should be 2 256's
[05:38] <sgteich> true
[05:38] <SiRrUs> or is the missing ram used in the high mem
[05:38] <dilema-U> pussfeller, take out 1 stick
[05:38] <dilema-U> see the amount of ram
[05:38] <dilema-U> see which one is registering short
[05:38] <pussfeller> can they do that
[05:39] <pussfeller> only lose part of the ram
[05:39] <pussfeller> that dont sound right
[05:39] <SiRrUs> pussfeller how did you check your ram
[05:39] <dilema-U> pussfeller, memtest86
[05:39] <dilema-U> will do a body good
[05:39] <cg0def> the ubuntu page says that there is fglrx-driver for amd64 in hoary but I can only find a virtual pkg
[05:39] <pussfeller> in the properties box on my xp computer
[05:39] <cg0def> is this correct?
[05:39] <dilema-U> pussfeller,
[05:39] <dilema-U> lol
[05:39] <SiRrUs> xp?
[05:40] <dilema-U> don't listen to that crap
[05:40] <dilema-U> it's ALWAYS HORT
[05:40] <dilema-U> short*
[05:40] <dilema-U> do a real test
[05:40] <dilema-U> i have 999.8MB ram with 2 512 sticks
[05:40] <dilema-U> according to XP properties
[05:41] <pussfeller> thats odd...
[05:41] <dilema-U> according to other apps i have about 1032
[05:41] <cg0def> I have 1gb of ram too and they show up as 1gb in xp but 998.6 in gnome
[05:41] <dilema-U> always around 1030 -1032
[05:41] <cg0def> go figure
[05:41] <pussfeller> oh well, at least they didn't rip me off.. thats my first thot then I started doig the math and figured it couldnt be any regular combination
[05:42] <Gershwin> do you have onboard video?
[05:42] <dilema-U> cg0def, well i dunno but maybe ram is reserved at boot in XP? i know some ram(it may be a trivial amount) is reserved at boot for linux
[05:42] <SiRrUs> and this is what my gig is reported as Mem:   1003744k
[05:42] <pussfeller> yeah, some nvidia mx400 or so i think
[05:42] <cg0def> I am not that worried about the ram
[05:42] <dilema-U> cg0def, yeha but he's being robbed of over 50MB's
[05:42] <Gershwin> what keeps you up at night then?
[05:42] <dilema-U> 60 actually
[05:43] <sgteich> 64 actually
[05:43] <cg0def> dilema-U: he's not it's just the tool that shows the wrong quantity
[05:43] <Gershwin> in what, ram, hd, what?
[05:43] <BadGuy> Problem
[05:43] <dilema-U> yeah i'd say run memtest86
[05:44] <cg0def> if memtest shows up the correct amount then everything is goos
[05:44] <cg0def> good
[05:44] <cg0def> I would try memtest86+ though
[05:44] <Gershwin> prob just current config of onboard video
[05:44] <pussfeller> does getting up in to tthe gig o ram stage give you super noticeable improvement in performance
[05:44] <Gershwin> it it is onboard and uses shared ram, they normally allocate exactly 64 Mb
[05:44] <cg0def> not really
[05:44] <nmy> IMHO, yes
[05:44] <dud> I noticed a big performace between 512 to 1024MB
[05:45] <nmy> if you game
[05:45] <nmy> dud, ditto
[05:45] <cg0def> my regular computer has 512 and runs just as fast
[05:45] <dud> and I don't game, I just do massive encoding and recording of music and video
[05:45] <Gershwin> more dependant on software config
[05:45] <cg0def> but this is a brand new notebook and I wanted to somewhat max it out :)
[05:45] <nmy> bzflag just won't perform as well unless it's 1gb ram
[05:45] <nmy> hehe
[05:45] <BadGuy> Can I successfully boot a live UBUNTU distribution'...
[05:45] <Gershwin> if you ahve lots of processes loading and a bloated config, more memory is important
[05:45] <nmy> cg0def, i have a Dell D505
[05:46] <nmy> 1GB
[05:46] <cg0def> :)
[05:46] <nmy> performs very well
[05:46] <cg0def> yeah so does mine
[05:46] <nmy> except the vide chipset
[05:46] <dud> I have a home-built atlhon64 3000+
[05:46] <cg0def> amd64 2.2Gh
[05:46] <nmy> sweet
[05:46] <BadGuy> Without a HDD
[05:46] <cg0def> prety fast
[05:46] <Gershwin> how many processes running immediately after boot?
[05:46] <dud> its never skipped a single beat for me :)
[05:46] <dud> blistering fast I must say
[05:46] <nmy> yea
[05:46] <Gershwin> ya that integrated mem controller is teh r0x
[05:46] <nmy> me, AMD 3000+
[05:46] <sgteich> Has anyone whos using a GeForce FX 5600 gotten it to display 1600X1200?
[05:46] <nmy> works well
[05:47] <nmy> 32bit
[05:47] <pussfeller> i got this emachine witha 3200 in it for like 500 and its not too bad, it does rips pretty fast
[05:47] <Gershwin> 5600... thats an odd one
[05:47] <nmy> sgteich, i am using it here
[05:47] <nmy> same card
[05:47] <dud> nmy, try running 64bit... the different is quite noticable
[05:47] <nmy> 1600x1200
[05:47] <nmy> yea
[05:47] <cg0def> does anyone know how to install the ati binary drivers
[05:47] <nmy> i saw a system just now ... with case for 350
[05:47] <sgteich> I can't get mine to run above 1280X1024
[05:47] <dud> look at the wiki cg0def
[05:48] <GPRIME666> i have downloaded a tar.bz2, how may I install this
[05:48] <HaloGray> Is there a reason that whenever I load anything openGL based my computer performs like ass?
[05:48] <pussfeller> does the tv out work yet on those atis
[05:48] <cg0def> ok but I think that I was looking at it and the info was wrong
[05:48] <nmy> HaloGray, video drivers
[05:48] <HaloGray> This includes screensavers
[05:48] <Gershwin> you can get a new dell SC420 for right around $300... same as dimension 8300 but w/integrated video
[05:48] <cg0def> yes it is the wiki
[05:48] <HaloGray> Ubuntu detected my card out of the box
[05:48] <pussfeller> GPRIME666: a tar.gz is just a linux version of a .zip
[05:48] <GPRIME666> does anyoneknow
[05:48] <HaloGray> Mobile Radeon 9600
[05:48] <nmy> HaloGray, yes... is it nvidia?
[05:48] <nmy> ok
[05:49] <nmy> there are new drivers from ati
[05:49] <GPRIME666> I know it is, but how do I install. it is a tar.bz2 that is meant to be installed through the terminal
[05:49] <nmy> out there
[05:49] <cg0def> there is apparently supposed to be a regular pkg for the driver under hoary but in reallity there is none
[05:49] <HaloGray> For the mobile?
[05:49] <nmy> that will help
[05:49] <nmy> think they have them
[05:49] <BadGuy> Can some1 who actually knows something about GNoppix help me
[05:49] <cg0def> nmy: I know that there is a new driver
[05:49] <nmy> cg
[05:49] <HaloGray> I'll check
[05:49] <pussfeller> GPRIME666: its probably a source code compilation that you will have to manually compile
[05:49] <nmy> yea, i saw announcement today
[05:49] <HaloGray> They don't support mobile drivers for windows...
[05:49] <cg0def> does the ati driver install with alien?
[05:50] <nmy> hmmm, dnk
[05:50] <GPRIME666> pussfeller, i dunno if you used it, but it's linux quicktime
[05:50] <sgteich> nmy:did you have to do anything other than make sure the xf86config file has the right settings in it to get 1600?
[05:50] <pussfeller> you need to unzip it and then follow the directions in the readme I imagine
[05:51] <nmy> sgteich, thinking
[05:51] <nmy> sgteich, which ubuntu are you using
[05:51] <GPRIME666> pussfeller, it has no readme
[05:52] <pussfeller> is one of the files something.bin
[05:52] <sgteich> warty
[05:52] <GPRIME666> if there was a .bin i wouldn't be asking
[05:52] <GPRIME666> there are like .c, .b, .lame
[05:53] <pussfeller> my bad man, sorry
[05:53] <nmy> sgteich, using suse here, but I had to manually configure the settings in XF86Config
[05:54] <GPRIME666> what's the command line for tars
[05:55] <sgteich> nmy, if I load SuSe or Mandrake - I ig get the 1600 without having to edit the xf86config file....go figure
[05:55] <nmy> sgteich, true
[05:55] <linuxn00b> Hi, I extraced the Edge theme in to the .themes folder and I can't see it in the "Computer > Desktop Prefrences > Themes"
[05:56] <BadGuy> Id like my first linux experience to be a good 1
[05:56] <SiRrUs> BadGuy ??
[05:56] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: tar cvf tarball.tar <files>
[05:57] <HaloGray> sgteich: SuSe has the best hardware detection scheme of any distro
[05:57] <linuxn00b> fixed :)
[05:57] <HaloGray> It's something that everybody else has tried to match
[05:57] <BadGuy> Need to get at least a lite browser running on my system
[05:57] <GPRIME666> xenguy, that did nothing
[05:57] <HaloGray> Ubuntu is pretty close though
[05:58] <HaloGray> firefox runs default with Ubuntu
[05:58] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: then make your question more specific :-)
[05:58] <Gershwin> firefox isn't a lightweight browser tho
[05:58] <GPRIME666> I am trying to install Quicktime4linux, it is a tar.bz2. What do I do to nistall. It has no README
[05:58] <dud> lighter than firefox would be links or lynx
[05:58] <Gershwin> heh no
[05:59] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: that requires bunzip2...
[05:59] <BadGuy> Thing is even the crash kit isn't installing
[05:59] <sgteich> HaloGray, I'd like to think I built my systems as "linux friendly" as I could - I'm fairly new to linux
[05:59] <dud> GPRIME666, use bunzip, the ./configure && make && sudo make
[05:59] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: so -> bunzip2 file.tar.bz2
[05:59] <dud> then eve
[05:59] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: then -> what I wrote before to untar
[06:00] <BadGuy> Gnoppix Miniprototype 1 hangs on install
[06:00] <Gershwin> Dillo or Konquerer, Amaya are lightweight browser
[06:00] <Gershwin> lots more to chose from
[06:00] <Xenguy> GPRIME666: er, no, to untar do this -> tar xvf tarball.tar
[06:01] <BadGuy> So im very much stuck
[06:01] <SiRrUs> BadGuy i maybe wrong but if your having Gnoppix problems you may want to ask in a Gnoppix channel
[06:03] <SiRrUs> anyway later people
[06:05] <Gershwin> wow, the gnoppix website is one slick lookin page
[06:05] <mebaran151> heheh
[06:05] <regeya> indeed
[06:06] <mebaran151> it is pretty slick
[06:06] <mebaran151> so slick
[06:06] <regeya> at least they have someone with a decent design sense on the project
[06:06] <mebaran151> that I get the scary paid commercial vibe
[06:06] <Gershwin> ya... kinda makes you just wanna lean back in your chair & grin
[06:06] <regeya> heh
[06:07] <mebaran151> like
[06:07] <mebaran151> it looks like a big ad
[06:07] <regeya> wonder if they bought a template, or something...yes, people sell website templates these days
[06:07] <mebaran151> which isnt bad
[06:07] <mebaran151> but you know, their are some things about it
[06:07] <Badguykik> Theres no GNOPPIX channel from what i see
[06:07] <Gershwin> best to let the really good web designers design websites
[06:07] <mebaran151> it isnt written in good html though
[06:07] <mebaran151> all tables
[06:07] <Gershwin> good thing the car industry isn't like the website industry
[06:08] <mebaran151> I thought we are supposed to use div and css now
[06:08] <Gershwin> or 100,000 ppl would be dying on America's roads every day
[06:08] <mebaran151> haha Gershwin
[06:08] <mebaran151> I am glad you have given such a vote of confidence in my side job
[06:09] <subterrific> anyone on amd64 around?
[06:09] <mebaran151> I am
[06:09] <mebaran151> I am having weird problems with the nvidia module
[06:09] <subterrific> do you use azureus by any chance?
[06:09] <mebaran151> I have to forcefully modprobe it
[06:09] <mebaran151> I have never heard of azureus
[06:09] <mebaran151> what does it do
[06:09] <subterrific> it is a java bittorrent client
[06:09] <mebaran151> why would we use a java bittorrent client
[06:09] <subterrific> i've just learned how to create debian packages and i packaged java and azureus
[06:10] <Badguykik> Guess it wont work then
[06:10] <mebaran151> you packaged Java
[06:10] <mebaran151> sexy
[06:10] <underdog> hi everyone
[06:10] <subterrific> in my opinion it is the nicest bittorrent client
[06:10] <mebaran151> is it uploaded yet
[06:10] <Gershwin> just curious, did it hurt the 1st time u forcefully modprobe'd it?
[06:10] <underdog> can anyone tell my why the "xfonts-nexus" package isn't working right? the font doesn't appear on my font dialog :(
[06:10] <mebaran151> I felt a pang in my chest
[06:10] <mebaran151> but it didnt go wrong
[06:10] <subterrific> i'm not an official package maintainer, so no
[06:10] <mebaran151> oh
[06:10] <cg0def> azureus is not that nice
[06:10] <subterrific> cg0def: what is better?
[06:11] <mebaran151> I think Java is sort of silly for somet5hing like this
[06:11] <vjaz> What's the difference between Gnoppix and the Ubuntu Live CD, or are they the same?
[06:11] <cg0def> bittornado works better
[06:11] <mebaran151> the standard bittorent client works for me
[06:11] <regeya> mebaran151: pang in your chest...
[06:11] <mebaran151> yes
[06:11] <mebaran151> I was nervous
[06:11] <cg0def> does not put as much load on your network
[06:11] <mebaran151> that something was going to explode
[06:11] <cg0def> and also no 50mb ram for a virtual machine
[06:11] <mebaran151> nothing goes wrong
[06:11] <mebaran151> it looks like the vermagic is messed up somehow
[06:11] <mebaran151> between the nivida modules and the kernel
[06:12] <Ainvar> hmmm looking at getting a dell 8600 or 6000 laptop
[06:12] <subterrific> can you remotely operate bittornado?
[06:12] <Ainvar> how does ubuntu run on dell laptops?
[06:12] <cg0def> what do I need to do so that I can modify the wiki
[06:12] <Badguykik> Is there a livecd channel thats good with this?
[06:12] <cg0def> there's an error
[06:12] <subterrific> cg0def: make an account
[06:12] <subterrific> cg0def: and login
[06:12] <cg0def> thx
[06:12] <subterrific> cg0def: can you remotely operate bittornado?
[06:13] <subterrific> thats one of the best features of azureus, being able to operate it via a webbrowser from another machine
[06:13] <mebaran151> I dont want to pull down Java
[06:13] <mebaran151> just for bittorent
[06:13] <red-nix> ok i have a quick question. on the forms is there a way to search for post by yourself or do you have to subscribe to each one in order to find it again?
[06:13] <red-nix> forums even
[06:14] <subterrific> mebaran151: you really care that much about 50megs of disk space?
[06:14] <mebaran151> no
[06:14] <mebaran151> just Java always seemed to be a lot of trouble to set up
[06:14] <mebaran151> and I dont use it that much
[06:14] <mebaran151> disk space is no big deal
[06:15] <mebaran151> it just a hassle
[06:15] <subterrific> dpkg -i java.deb
[06:15] <Ainvar> java is easy to setup using the unofficial guide
[06:15] <subterrific> easy
[06:15] <Ainvar> that is even easier too
[06:15] <Ronan151> is there a way to get ubuntu to let me choose KDE or GNOME when i boot?
[06:15] <mebaran151> we have a java.deb!?
[06:16] <mebaran151> why didnt nobody tell me about this
[06:16] <subterrific> debian includes a tool called java-package that helps you create .debs for java
[06:16] <mebaran151> oh
[06:16] <mebaran151> java-package
[06:16] <mebaran151> it seemed to be a hassle
[06:16] <mebaran151> for something I just dont use very often
[06:16] <subterrific> http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[06:16] <HaloGray> ati doesn't support notebook drivers for windows or for linux, and when I go to Dell looking for any linux drivers they only support their software
[06:16] <HaloGray> errr hardware
[06:17] <HaloGray> they have windows video drivers... those were updated waaaay back in July
[06:17] <jblack> I've added a line to apt's sources.list, and I got the following error:
[06:17] <subterrific> i agree it is a hassle, and i agree java sucks, but some people need it
[06:17] <jblack> W: GPG error: http://people.ubuntu.com ./ Release: The following signaturescouldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A43E6D27128287E8
[06:17] <subterrific> pepsi: hey
[06:17] <mebaran151> anybody having weird vermagic trouble with the nvidia moduels
[06:17] <underdog> can anyone tell my why the "xfonts-nexus" package isn't working right? the font doesn't appear on my font dialog :(
[06:17] <mebaran151> xfonts
[06:17] <mebaran151> what program are you trying to call an xfont from
[06:18] <Your_God> yay
[06:18] <mebaran151> if it is one of the ones running fontconfig or openoffice
[06:18] <mebaran151> you might not see them
[06:18] <crimsun> jblack: you need to add the appropriate key using apt-key. Modify the instructions at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary accordingly.
[06:19] <underdog> mebaran151: gnome-terminal
[06:19] <jblack> Thank you crimsun
[06:19] <Ronan151> is there a way to install KDE along side of GNOME?
[06:19] <mebaran151> gnome-terminal should
[06:19] <mebaran151> hmmm
[06:20] <mebaran151> oh gnome-terminal probably uses fontconfig
[06:20] <mebaran151> which sort of goes around xfont
[06:20] <mebaran151> fontconfig handles nice scaly fonts I think
[06:20] <mebaran151> I really wouldnt know though
[06:21] <crimsun> gnome-terminal uses gtk2 and pango, based on fontconfig
[06:21] <red-nix> question something isn't clickin with me and tar bzip2  i have a directory in my home called netdrivers   i tried tar cjf ~/netdrivers netdrivers.bz   but that doesn't appear to work what am i doing wrong please :(
[06:21] <underdog> crimsun: would i need to rebuild a cache or something?
[06:22] <underdog> because i really have no idea
[06:22] <crimsun> red-nix: I presume you're trying to create a tar?
[06:22] <crimsun> red-nix: if so, you reversed the arguments
[06:22] <red-nix> right with bzip2 compression
[06:22] <red-nix> ok so its tar cjf filename.bz /path ?
[06:23] <crimsun> pretty much, but the filename will be .tar.bz2
[06:23] <red-nix> thats fine
[06:23] <red-nix> so correct me if im wrong
[06:23] <underdog> mebaran151: how can I rebuild the font cache or something?
[06:23] <red-nix> tar cjf networkdrivers ~/networkdrivers
[06:23] <red-nix> that would do it?
[06:24] <crimsun> underdog: xset fp rehash
[06:25] <crimsun> red-nix: it's standard practice to append .tar.bz2 onto the base filename.
[06:25] <mebaran151> hmmm
[06:25] <pepsi> hi subterrific :)
[06:26] <red-nix> ok and to test it is tar -T networkdrivers.tar.bz right?
[06:27] <underdog> crimsun: i see some new fonts, but this one still won't show. you think restarting X is in order?
[06:27] <crimsun> underdog: shouldn't be necessary. grep for it in xlsfonts
[06:28] <underdog> yup, I see nexus
[06:30] <underdog> crimsun: but it doesn't show on my font-list. restarting x?
[06:31] <helio7> ubuntu 6.3 is hoary??
[06:31] <daniels> helio7: 5.04
[06:32] <crimsun> underdog: the font list of which app(s)?
[06:32] <helio7> I'm getting an unresolvable dependencies issue when I try and install Swat ... is it only part of Hoary ?
[06:33] <underdog> crimsun: gnome-terminal
[06:33] <mebaran151> ehy the vermagic cleared up
[06:33] <mebaran151> I wonder why
[06:33] <crimsun> underdog: need to sudo fc-cache -vf
[06:35] <red-nix> crimsun: i found what i was looking for tar cf - file(s) | bzip2 -9 > filename.tar.bz2  thanks for the help by the way
[06:35] <underdog> crimsun: still won't work
[06:40] <underdog> crimsun: any more brilliant ideas?
[06:41] <mebaran151> xfonts are rather odd anyway
[06:43] <crimsun> underdog: can you select the font in a legacy app?
[06:44] <underdog> define legacy app :(
[06:47] <gijosh> Does Ubuntu upgrade everything when you install?  I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and it didn't upgrade anything.
[06:47] <Xenguy> gijosh: does your /etc/apt/sources.list point to any mirrors, or only to a CD-ROM?
[06:48] <yohannes> has anyone successfully run dvd shrink with wine? mine does but could not detect my drive. any suggestions?
[06:48] <gijosh> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[06:48] <gijosh> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[06:48] <gijosh> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:48] <gijosh> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:48] <gijosh> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[06:48] <gijosh> ## repository.
[06:48] <gijosh> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[06:48] <gijosh> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[06:49] <gijosh> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[06:49] <gijosh> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[06:49] <gijosh> ## team.
[06:49] <gijosh> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:49] <gijosh> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:49] <gijosh> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:49] <gijosh> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:49] <gijosh> Woa, sorry.  Iddn't meen to paste all that
[06:49] <gijosh> That's like the deffinition of paste spam.  *blushes*
[06:50] <Flik> Does anyone know of any AIM clients I can run under Ubuntu that support voice chats?
[06:50] <Xenguy> gijosh: so you need to uncomment appropriate lines, and run the update and upgrade again, yes?
[06:51] <gijosh> WHich should I uncomment?  Thanks for the help, btw.
[06:51] <Xenguy> gijosh: well it tells you, right? "## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software..."
[06:51] <hawke> Flik: I don't think there are any.
[06:53] <gijosh> BAKA!  Thanks.  I'm tired and acting stupid.  Though I realy shouldn't excuse carelessness.  Thanks Xenguy
[06:53] <Xenguy> gijosh: yw - run the update soon to make sure you are as secure/updated as possible
[06:54] <gijosh> ANother quick question - On the Gnome file browser under network, it has "windows network" listed.  Which is odd because I'm connected strait to my cable modem.  Not on any network other then my isp's.
[06:55] <Frederick> hi folks, where can I find the minimum requirements for ubuntu?
[06:55] <Xenguy> gijosh: not sure about that
[06:55] <Ronan151> can someone help me with a problem
[06:55] <j-rock> Frederick: they should be pretty minimum, like just about any pentium class processor can run it
[06:55] <Xenguy> Frederick: I'm pretty sure that is documented on the web site
[06:56] <Ronan151> i loaded gnome up and now my menubars are gone
[06:56] <Ronan151> any ideas how to get them back?
[06:57] <Frederick> Xenguy but it isnt on the faq :/
[06:57] <mebaran151> gnome-panel
[06:57] <mebaran151> gives you all the menu bars
[06:57] <mebaran151> just type that into terminal
[06:57] <Xenguy> Frederick: looking now
[06:57] <mebaran151> you can right click and load it
[06:57] <mebaran151> Anyone know a good livecd
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> yeah hoary
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[06:58] <mebaran151> that is pretty light weight
[06:58] <Ronan151> it says it detects one already running
[06:58] <Ronan151> but its not here
[06:58] <mebaran151> running XFCE
[06:58] <mebaran151> or something
[06:58] <crimsun> xfld
[06:58] <mebaran151> good ofr like a 400 mzh processor with 128 mb RAM
[06:58] <crimsun> based on debian sarge.
[06:58] <mebaran151> lket me chekc it out
[06:58] <DesiGuy421> hey guys
[06:58] <crimsun> 'lo
[06:59] <DesiGuy421> where can i get DC client that is not dcgui-qt or dcgui?
[06:59] <DesiGuy421> a good one
[06:59] <DesiGuy421> that works
[06:59] <DesiGuy421> that can connect to i2hub
[06:59] <gijosh> I rant apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, it shows it getting the package lists, reading package lists, building dependency tree, then it said 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.  Was it successful?
[06:59] <gijosh> ran*
[06:59] <Ronan151> it says "Ive Detected A Panel Already running, im going to exit now"
[06:59] <Xenguy> Frederick: hrm, I'm missing it too; did find this FWIW: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM
[06:59] <mebaran151> ronan151
[06:59] <Ronan151> yeah
[06:59] <mebaran151> what do you mean by menubars
[06:59] <Ronan151> the panel
[06:59] <mebaran151> cool
[07:00] <mebaran151> just skill gnome-panel
[07:00] <mebaran151> and reload it
[07:00] <Ronan151> ahh, you rock, im new to this
[07:00] <Ronan151> thaks
[07:00] <mebaran151> I hope you dont have to do that everytime
[07:01] <mebaran151> it makes me wonder why it didnt go correctly
[07:01] <Frederick> Xenguy I have it running in 256 mb ram and it is running great but who knows
[07:01] <Ronan151> i dont know, i just installed KDE
[07:01] <Ronan151> could that mess with it?
[07:01] <mebaran151> maybe
[07:01] <mebaran151> I dont think so
[07:01] <mebaran151> then again
[07:01] <mebaran151> I dont know as I dont run KDE at all
[07:01] <underdog> crimsun: so? what do you consider a legacy app? something like xterm?
[07:01] <Xenguy> Frederick: yeah, it should definitely be listed somewhere obvious
[07:01] <DesiGuy421> any response to my DC question?
[07:02] <mebaran151> what was it DesiGuy421
[07:02] <crimsun> underdog: sure, that would work.
[07:02] <Ronan151> ill log out and log back in to see if it does it again
[07:02] <DesiGuy421> i'm looking for a good DC client that works and isn't dcgui or dcgui-qt
[07:02] <underdog> crimsun: won't work.
[07:02] <Frederick> Xenguy iI dont know what ppl call low resources machine, I think 256 MB ram is quite a good ammount of ram
[07:03] <cef> so is ubuntu looking at yaird at all?
[07:03] <underdog> crimsun: passing -fw, -fwb or -fx with nexus or -misc-nexus-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 won't do the trick
[07:03] <Ronan151> nope, everything is good now!
[07:04] <Xenguy> Frederick: should be more than fine
[07:04] <DesiGuy421> hmm
[07:04] <DesiGuy421> alright
[07:04] <mebaran151> underdog, do you get normal xfonts
[07:05] <DesiGuy421> anyone else have the problem w/dcgui-qt where every icon is the icon of the passively-connected ghost?
[07:05] <underdog> mebaran151: xfontsel shows it
[07:05] <mebaran151> ah
[07:05] <mebaran151> but I mean
[07:06] <mebaran151> in any of these apps
[07:06] <mebaran151> do you get the other xfonts
[07:06] <mebaran151> I dont think xfonts play nice with fontconfig
[07:06] <mebaran151> it just doesnt sound like it would
[07:06] <moj0rising> hello.
[07:06] <moj0rising> anyone here?
[07:07] <Ronan151> so if i want to change themes for gnome, do i need to download a theme engine for gtk+?
[07:07] <Panzerboy> hi all
[07:07] <mebaran151> anybdoy know how to make the xmms fonts less ragged
[07:07] <mebaran151> my xmms fonts look pretty bad for some reason
[07:07] <cef> moj0rising: you'd think so, what with 314 odd in the channel, but no, there's no one here *grin*
[07:07] <underdog> well mebaran151, I see all the other fonts on xfontsel
[07:07] <Frederick> Xenguy it is
[07:07] <mebaran151> no
[07:07] <moj0rising> Ronan151, You should be able to change themes without downloading anything except the theme itself.
[07:07] <mebaran151> but I meant in an app you want to use the font
[07:07] <mebaran151> do you see it
[07:07] <moj0rising> haha
[07:08] <mebaran151> like in gnome
[07:08] <GammaRay> Ronan151: some themes need one, some don't
[07:08] <mebaran151> gnome-terminal
[07:08] <Panzerboy> ubuntu newbie question
[07:08] <Frederick> Can I simple add + ram on my pc and linux will be still booting fine?
[07:08] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:08] <DesiGuy421> i guess noone really uses DC
[07:08] <Panzerboy> how do i install a new kernel in ubuntu?
[07:08] <moj0rising> yes
[07:08] <Panzerboy> i don't want to compile it myself
[07:08] <mebaran151> I think RAM is detected on boot
[07:08] <Panzerboy> i just need the "ubuntu way" :D
[07:08] <DesiGuy421> panzer
[07:08] <underdog> mebaran151: nope
[07:08] <DesiGuy421> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:08] <underdog> mebaran151: can't see it on the gnome applications
[07:08] <moj0rising> you can add more ram and everything will be fine.
[07:08] <cef> no need to fiddle with anything if you add more ram
[07:08] <Panzerboy> DesiGuy421: i am in hoary now :)
[07:08] <moj0rising> no adjustments needed.
[07:09] <DesiGuy421> ohh, :/
[07:09] <Panzerboy> DesiGuy421: i just need another kernel
[07:09] <Frederick> moj0rising thanks for the info :)
[07:09] <moj0rising> no sweat.
[07:09] <cef> however, you might want to test your ram using something like memtest86 after you install it
[07:09] <Panzerboy> cause with this one, i have some problems copying files from a ntfs partition
[07:09] <GammaRay> Ronan151: if the theme is just a few kb it probably needs one
[07:09] <mebaran151> underdog, yep
[07:09] <Panzerboy> so i _guess_ it's the kernel's fault
[07:09] <moj0rising> I have a simple question... HOw can I remove a symbolic link?
[07:09] <mebaran151> all apps based on gtk2 use fontconfig I think
[07:09] <Xenguy> Frederick: google is our friend -> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch02.html
[07:09] <mebaran151> I might be wrong as fonts are tricky for me
[07:09] <cef> simply to make sure it's working with your hardware, not specifically to make sure it works with linux
[07:09] <Panzerboy> so is there a recommended way of installing a new kernel?
[07:10] <Xenguy> Frederick: google -> ubuntu "system requirements"
[07:10] <mebaran151> fontconfig I think uses only truetype fonts
[07:10] <Panzerboy> let's say not necessary new, bunt _other_ kernel
[07:10] <Frederick> Xenguy so you are thanks a lot :)
[07:10] <mebaran151> and type 1
[07:10] <Xenguy> Frederick:  yw - nite
[07:10] <mebaran151> so you are probably going to have to lose the xfont
[07:10] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: what problems with copying?
[07:11] <Frederick> Xenguy what do you mean with yw - nite?
[07:11] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: it started when I tried to play some mp3's from that partition, no matter what player i've tried, it kept behaving the same: it played like 10 secs of the mp3 the get to the next on
[07:11] <Panzerboy> and so on
[07:11] <cef> moj0rising: same way you delete any file. just make sure that you are deleting the link, and not what the link points at
[07:11] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: then i've tried to copy some mp3's to my /home
[07:11] <kreiger> Panzerboy, which mp3 player?
[07:12] <moj0rising> ah. Where is the link located. I know that sounds silly..
[07:12] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: only to find out that it failed to copy each one of them
[07:12] <underdog> mebaran151: noooooooooo... not nexusssssss :((((
[07:12] <Panzerboy> kreiger: well, let's see: xmms, beep media player and rhythmbox
[07:12] <moj0rising> ...I am trying to get java to work completely w/ firefox...
[07:12] <Arion> Anyone any good at installing Ubuntu?  I'm having a problem with the installation.
[07:12] <moj0rising> ..when I made the link from java dir to moz plugin dir...
[07:12] <Panzerboy> it's not a problem with the player or with the mp3 playing
[07:12] <moj0rising> ..i broke all my mozilla browsers.
[07:13] <Panzerboy> anyway, i just want to try another kernel
[07:13] <Panzerboy> but it's strange, cause in warty i had the EXACT same problem
[07:13] <Panzerboy> not in mandrake 10.1 though
[07:13] <Panzerboy> so ... i don't know
[07:13] <cef> moj0rising: how did you install java?
[07:13] <moj0rising> followed ubuntuguide.
[07:14] <moj0rising> ran the script.
[07:14] <moj0rising> THen excecuted some commands in the guide.
[07:14] <moj0rising> it works w/ java apps. LIke JAP.
[07:14] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: you could install another kernel via synaptic/apt
[07:14] <moj0rising> and my work email -- which uses java in the browser -- works
[07:15] <moj0rising> but some java applets in firefox do not work..
[07:15] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: Do you have the same problem with any other type of file?
[07:15] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: well, let me try to copy another one
[07:16] <mebaran151> anybody have raggedy fonts in xmms
[07:16] <mebaran151> ?
[07:17] <cef> moj0rising: are you sure the java applets work properly at all? there are a lot of web based java applets that STILL only work with the Microsoft (standards broken) JVM
[07:18] <mebaran151> like the right click part
[07:18] <moj0rising> I am quite sure this one will work. Says it will work in linux.
[07:18] <moj0rising> it is on smugmug.com if you have heard of that,
[07:18] <cef> nup
[07:18] <moj0rising> for batch uploads
[07:19] <moj0rising> I think I see my problem.
[07:19] <moj0rising> I had two symlinks in the plugin dir.
[07:20] <moj0rising> java must have put one in there or something...
[07:20] <moj0rising> ..and I put a second.
[07:20] <moj0rising> that probably confused ff.
[07:20] <moj0rising> so I just renamed the other one.
[07:20] <moj0rising> Furthermore, I created mine as root.
[07:21] <moj0rising> and my main user did not have many rights.
[07:21] <moj0rising> So I am working on that now.
[07:22] <Ronan151> so once ive downloaded a theme, how do i go about installing it
[07:22] <cef> remember that you'll need to completely restart firefox
[07:23] <moj0rising> haha.
[07:23] <moj0rising> well I actually can't run it.
[07:23] <moj0rising> when I created that 2nd link..
[07:23] <moj0rising> I messed something up and now it won't run at all.
[07:23] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: same thing
[07:23] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: with other files
[07:23] <Panzerboy> :(
[07:24] <moj0rising> It starts to run.. the curser starts up (i'm in kde) and then stops after like 30 sec.
[07:25] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: what happens when you cp /mnt/ntfsdir/file /tmp ?
[07:25] <ironwolf> anyone successfully gotten an encrypted file system on a jumpdrive? I keep getting weird offsets and it saying undefined encyrption.  Is there a how-to somewhere?
[07:26] <Ronan151> nm
[07:27] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: input/output error
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:27] <moj0rising> I really messed this up.
[07:27] <kreiger> Hey, anybody know how i can make it so that you can't change root passwd simply by sudo passwd root
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a wine esd driver ??
[07:28] <moj0rising> I put everything back and now mozilla browsers still won't work.
[07:28] <dash> kreiger:
[07:28] <dash> er
[07:28] <dash> kreiger: you can't, unix sucks
[07:28] <Frederick> is there any channel to discuss hardware related stuff on freenode?
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> kreiger: sudo passwd
[07:28] <cef> kreiger: look at sudo's config. you should be able to block the running of passwd
[07:29] <kreiger> Yeah, da_bon_bon sometimes my roomie is on my comp. i want to make sure he can't sudo or su anything, and he might figure out sudo passwd root
[07:29] <kreiger> something like an "enter old password to make new ones" kinda thing
[07:29] <dash> kreiger: so give him an account that doesn't have sudo
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> kreiger: disable password-less sudo
[07:29] <moj0rising> OK. I moved the .mozilla dir and now they run.
[07:29] <kreiger> da_bon_bon, how?
[07:29] <moj0rising> the browsers, not java./
[07:29] <dash> kreiger: yeah, definitely make sudo prompt you for a passwd
[07:29] <dash> (it does by default, of course)
[07:29] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: are you using ext3? reiser?
[07:30] <kreiger> Yeah, but not for changing root
[07:30] <dash> kreiger: eh?
[07:30] <cef> have to make it prompt always, even if you have given it a password recently
[07:30] <dash> cef: eh
[07:30] <kreiger> where do i change that?
[07:30] <JDahl> kreiger, man sudoers... you can blacklist specific commands, I think
[07:30] <dash> cef: sudo -k is probably enough
[07:30] <kreiger> blacklist?
[07:30] <dash> kreiger: when you type 'sudo blah', it /never/ prompts you for a password?
[07:30] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: reiser
[07:30] <cef> if you run more than one sudo quickly, the second (and more) sudo's will NOT prompt for the password
[07:31] <dash> cef: yes
[07:31] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: can it copy files from reiser partition to partition?
[07:31] <JDahl> kreiger, nm... I thought you were asking how to disable sudo passwd
[07:31] <cef> there is a defined time limit you can modify for sudo's config
[07:31] <dash> cef: but sudo -k will fix that
[07:31] <kreiger> it does when i run a command, but if I sudo passwd root i get :Enter new unix password"
[07:31] <kreiger> and it does NOT prompt me for a password
[07:31] <dash> kreiger: yes
[07:31] <cef> kreiger: it's cos you've run a sudo command recently
[07:31] <dash> kreiger: because sudo only prompts for a password every N minutes
[07:31] <kreiger> oooo
[07:32] <dash> kreiger: if you do sudo -k before letting your roommate use the machine, he can't sudo.
[07:32] <kreiger> nice
[07:32] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: let me try
[07:32] <kreiger> sweet
[07:32] <kreiger> thanks guys
[07:33] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: yes
[07:33] <moj0rising> Does anyone have some working instructions on getting java working on firefox?
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> its so easy
[07:34] <moj0rising> yeah?
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> u install java ?
[07:34] <moj0rising> I did.
[07:34] <moj0rising> It works if I run java apps.
[07:34] <JDahl> moj0rising, if you're using sun's java, there's nothing to it... just make a symlink to the installed java plugin library
[07:34] <moj0rising> but not so great in the browser.
[07:35] <moj0rising> I think I am doing it incorrectly...
[07:35] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: hmmm. How did you mount your ntfs partition? mount command? fstab?
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> moj0rising: JDahl is right
[07:35] <moj0rising> can you tell me what I sould type at the command line?
[07:35] <moj0rising> Thats what my instructions say but its not working for me.
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> yes...
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> ln -s /usr/jave/plugins/ns7/lib... /home/.mozilla/firefox/plugins
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> *java
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> have a look at ubuntuguide.org
[07:37] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/big -o umask=0222
[07:37] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: manually
[07:37] <moj0rising> OK. I think I have an older java....
[07:37] <moj0rising> the instructions said to use ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so /home/us/.mozilla/plugins
[07:37] <moj0rising> for my version.
[07:38] <moj0rising> maybe I need to upgrade for better success.
[07:39] <moj0rising> java version "1.4.2_05"
[07:39] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: try umounting, and remounting, but put the -o umask before the device
[07:39] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i've tried even without umask
[07:39] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: same thing
[07:39] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: mount -t ntfs -o umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/big
[07:40] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: same thing
[07:41] <moj0rising> is there an easy way to remove the version I have and put the current one in?
[07:41] <moj0rising> or upgrade?
[07:41] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i would suspect something wrong with the kernel, but in warty i had the same problem, and that was another kernel
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> can someone find "wineesd.drv" for me ?
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> plz
[07:41] <ott3r> anyone want to help me figure out how to add a new repository using synaptic?  unstable   [trying to install apachetop ] ?
[07:42] <ott3r> i've read all the wiki
[07:42] <moj0rising> type or paste it into /usr/apt/sources.list.
[07:42] <Panzerboy> ott3r: afaik it is imposible to add a new repo with synaptic, it's only possible to select it or deselect it
[07:42] <Panzerboy> ott3r: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <Panzerboy> and add it there
[07:42] <moj0rising> oops.
[07:42] <moj0rising> it is etc.
[07:42] <Panzerboy> then save, then you can select it with synaptic
[07:42] <ott3r> thanks!
[07:42] <moj0rising> it is very easy to do it w/ the text editor. Try that.
[07:42] <gijosh> For whatever reason, Ubuntu isn't bringing up or dhclient'ing my ethernet card at bootup.  To save me from doing it manually, how can I tell it to do it at bootup?
[07:43] <Panzerboy> better yet, do a sudo apt-get update first
[07:43] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: so you can mount the ntfs partition, but copying gives you i/o errors?
[07:43] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: yup
[07:45] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: hmmm. Strange. I would have guessed problems if you tried to write to the ntfs, but you're writing to a reiser...
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> anyone know how to get esd support for wine ?
[07:45] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i've NEVER tried to write to ntfs from linux :)
[07:47] <dc17> is anyone using WPA with hoary?  I have WPA working, but the configuration is a little clunky
[07:47] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: Perhaps you can try putting it in your fstab, but other than that I'm out.
[07:49] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: thanks a lot, i'll try to find out if other people had the same problem
[07:49] <snowblink_> ott3r: Settings->Repos->New
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> hey, why do system sounds not sound on ALSA as input and output ?
[07:50] <moj0rising> I'm heading out. Thanks for the help!
[07:58] <yohannes> has anyone successfully run dvd shrink with wine? mine does but could not detect my drive. any suggestions?
[07:58] <helio7> I'm trying to get samba working via the instructions on the unofficial guide (http://ubuntuguide.org/#installsamba) but I'm not succeeding... what goes in the smbusers file?           your_system_username = "your network username" or do I replace both or one of those with my username/
[07:59] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: well, strange thing
[07:59] <JDahl> helio7, did you create a user with smbpasswd?
[07:59] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: it appears that the type of partition is not NTFS, but SFS
[07:59] <helio7> JDahl I just used my regular username
[07:59] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i've done a sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[08:00] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: actually it is a dynamic volume
[08:01] <JDahl> helio7, you need to add a samba user account with sudo smbpasswd -a, smbpasswd -e, I think. Then it should work without fiddling with /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:01] <snowblink_> Panzerboy: ah - that would explain a few things
[08:01] <helio7> ok thanks JDahl
[08:02] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: it seems there is something wrond with the id of the partition
[08:02] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: i've just read this, that sometimes NTFS reports wrongly the type as SFS
[08:02] <helio7> yohannes I don't have an answer for your question, but an alternate idea I read about here for backup dvd processing http://www.wombatnation.com/2005/01/backing-up-dvds
[08:03] <jesuel> linux and my laptop do not get along ..:(
[08:04] <yohannes> thanks > helio7
[08:05] <K-Rich> greets... quiet in here eh?
[08:06] <jesuel> yup
[08:07] <ninjalight> hello all
[08:09] <ott3r> panzerboy, thanks, editing the sources.list worked
[08:09] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: it seems i have to use some LDM thing
[08:09] <ott3r> how would i get apachetop from here:   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/apachetop
[08:09] <ott3r> or would i get it from somewhere else?
[08:09] <MrStupid> hi there :)
[08:10] <K-Rich> hi
[08:10] <ott3r> hey
[08:10] <ott3r> welcome to the lost and found
[08:10] <MrStupid> doing my first steps with ubuntu... :-)
[08:10] <MrStupid> and of course i've screwed up my partition table with parted. :->
[08:10] <K-Rich> congrats :)
[08:11] <MrStupid> this nice 2.6-parted-fat32-resize-bug... i thought it was fixed.
[08:11] <MrStupid> *sigh*
[08:12] <MrStupid> i should have used partition magic :-/
[08:12] <K-Rich> ott3r: http://clueful.shagged.org/apachetop/
[08:12] <K-Rich> ott3r: actually, apachetop is in universe
[08:13] <ott3r> and universe is gettable with synaptic...
[08:14] <K-Rich> yeah if you enable it
[08:15] <ott3r> just did     lets see what happens...
[08:15] <ott3r> downloading files....
[08:15] <K-Rich> i never use synaptic so if you need help with it i can't :/
[08:16] <ott3r> how do you install single things like apachetop from the tarball?
[08:17] <K-Rich> compile them
[08:17] <JDahl> ott3r, why wouldnt you use the Ubuntu package?
[08:17] <snowblink_> ott3r: checkinstall works for me
[08:18] <ott3r> is apachetop in the ubuntu package?
[08:18] <JDahl> didnt you just say it's in universe?
[08:18] <K-Rich> yeah i just checked... it's in universe
[08:18] <ott3r> i didn't have universe checked
[08:18] <ott3r> now i do
[08:19] <snowblink_> Does anyone know if tomcat is available in the repos? I can't seem to find it.
[08:21] <K-Rich> snowblink_: i dont see it
[08:23] <JDahl> I didnt know Ubuntu (or Debian) packaged linux-gazette... that's neat!
[08:24] <snowblink_> K-Rich: thanks. Will have to do it the old fashioned way
[08:25] <K-Rich> JDahl: yeah, can get them all at once too and subscribe 'apt-cache search lg-issue'
[08:26] <JDahl> K-Rich, already install lg-all
[08:26] <K-Rich> :) i've never read one yet heh
[08:28] <jesuel> oh my god, screw this laptop
[08:28] <jesuel> im getting a new laptop
[08:28] <jacquesmerde> jesuel, i feel the exact same way, but i cant afford a new laptop!
[08:29] <jesuel> This thing is a pos
[08:29] <jesuel> I mean they just pieced it together.
[08:29] <jesuel> grr
[08:29] <snowblink_> jesuel: any luck at http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[08:30] <jacquesmerde> i think you'll find most computers are pieced together
[08:30] <ninjalight> lol jacquesmerde
[08:30] <ninjalight> too true
[08:31] <jesuel> So now to find a laptop that is, centrino+good nvidia graphics...
[08:31] <jesuel> hrm
[08:32] <jesuel> And no weird hardware
[08:32] <K-Rich> jesuel: you can toss me your old one, i don't mind :P
[08:32] <jesuel> heh
[08:32] <jesuel> think ill sell this one
[08:33] <jacquesmerde> thanks for the link snowblink_, maybe i can rescue MY old laptop (but i doubt it)
[08:34] <MrStupid> does anyone know a free fat32-partition-resize tool, that works? (NOT parted)
[08:34] <jacquesmerde> if computers werent just pieced together, like they were all fused into one piece, it would make them a LOT harder to upgrade
[08:34] <jacquesmerde> parted is overkill with fat32, yeah? i'd only bring out parted for ntfs
[08:34] <K-Rich> jacquesmerde: it would make them macs :)
[08:35] <MrStupid> jacquesmerde, parted killed my partition table this morning :-(
[08:35] <MrStupid> due to a kernel 2.6 bug...
[08:35] <glyph> hey, new ATI drivers are out that fix my DVI port - does anyone know when the next release of restricted modules for hoary is coming out?
[08:36] <jacquesmerde> isnt resizing fat32 trivial compared to ntfs? thats why whenever i install xp, i chose the fat32 file system. never had to resize it though
[08:36] <jacquesmerde> anyone know how to "downgrade" packages from a newer to an older version?
[08:36] <MrStupid> jacquesmerde, i /have/ to resize because my toshiba-recovery-xp-cd uses the full disc space. :-/
[08:36] <hypatia> glyph: I find filing a bug against it is the fastest choice. A lot of them get marked hoary+1 atm though :(
[08:37] <hypatia> glyph: "fastest way to find out", I mean.
[08:37] <heist> anyone know where to find "c header files" to match the running kernel?
[08:38] <glyph> hypatia: I think I already filed a bug
[08:38] <glyph> hypatia: Should I file a new bug for "ATI driver upgrade"?
[08:38] <hypatia> glyph: well, I filed one for "please do a moinmoin upgrade"
[08:38] <jacquesmerde> MrStupid, have you "unkilled" your partition table yet?
[08:39] <jacquesmerde> where ARE partition tables kept anyway? mbr? first sector of the first partition?
[08:39] <K-Rich> heist: apt-get install linux-kernel-headers-xxxxxx
[08:39] <jacquesmerde> where ARE partition tables kept anyway? mbr? first sector of the first partition?
[08:39] <hypatia> glyph: it's probably a good idea just to get it on their radar.
[08:39] <jacquesmerde> anyone know how to "downgrade" packages from a newer to an older version?
[08:40] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: there are quite a few ways as long as you've got the old version of the package around.
[08:40] <hypatia> if you don't and it's been deleted from upstream's archives... it's harder :)
[08:40] <K-Rich> heist: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:41] <oDysseas> after first reboot grub hangs at "Loading grub stage 1.5 please wait.." what am I doing wrong?
[08:41] <jacquesmerde> hypatia....and if i don't? not even aptitude backs that shit up for you does it...
[08:41] <heist> i'd put linux-kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-5-386 then?
[08:41] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: apt and aptitude both store old package files in /var/cache/apt/archives depending on your configuration.
[08:42] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: at the moment I think the default is to store them so you're in luck (and will probably find that that directory is *huge*)
[08:42] <K-Rich> jacquesmerde: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:42] <jacquesmerde> hypatia, so i should have the old package around? a dist-upgrade / upgrade barfed my sound, and i'm trying to roll back, installing what was removed, and removing what was installed is trivial, but the upgrades....how do i do it?
[08:43] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: well, you're looking for a file in that directory with the right name and an old version number.
[08:43] <hypatia> If you don't know the package name and want to roll back an entire system upgrade... well, that's nearly impossible.
[08:44] <hypatia> jacquesmerde: but if you do, you find the right name and number among the files in that dir, and run "sudo dpkg -i <pkgnames>"
[08:45] <jacquesmerde> hypatia, K-rich, i looked into /var/cache/apt/archives, only the packages i have upgraded TO not FROM seem to be there...
[08:46] <heist> ohh, i found it in synaptic
[08:46] <hypatia> if that's true and the packages are no longer available upstream then you pretty much can't downgrade (except by finding someone else who happens to have a copy)
[08:47] <heist> it's linux-headers-2.6.8.1-5
[08:47] <heist> ;]  thanks K-Rich
[08:47] <K-Rich> np
[08:48] <jacquesmerde> hypatia, ok. say i reinstall from scratch, and THEN bring my system back up to this point, is there a way i can get aptitude to log the packages it upgrades FROM? because i use aptitiude i have a complete list of what i have to rollback
[08:49] <hypatia> not that I'm aware of, if you run dpkg --list at any point you get a complete list of current versions, so you could use that.
[08:50] <heist> what do you guys use for irc clients?
[08:50] <jacquesmerde> hmm...btw, since aptitude records every package change, and then i rollback each specific package, should that COMPLETELY undo the aptitude action? or is there little shit like conf files and scripts and stuff it can also change...
[08:50] <jacquesmerde> heist, assembler
[08:52] <jacquesmerde> Cadillac? pfft, i drive fred's car from the flintstones
[08:54] <gijosh> How do you change the pw you need for sudo?
[08:55] <jacquesmerde> gijosh, sudo passwd root
[08:55] <gijosh> I thought that created a root acount?
[08:55] <rattboi> gijosh, you change your own password
[08:56] <rattboi> sudo only works for users in the sudoers list
[08:56] <rattboi> so it's based on user accounts, not passwords
[08:57] <gijosh> If someone was able to break into my user acount, wouldn't they be able to just sudo into root then?
[08:57] <jacquesmerde> hey, is it ubuntu or gnome which puts the terminal in the "system tools" folder? isnt that a bit like how windows put the command prompt in "accessories"?
[08:57] <snowblink_> gijosh: if they have your password, yes.
[08:57] <gijosh> Or should I be using an acount that isn't able to use sudo?
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> hello
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> I have a problem
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> I used Mepis Linux
[08:59] <jacquesmerde> you CAN make the sudo password different to your own, ubuntu just makes them the same at the start by default, just do a sudo passwd root
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> first
[08:59] <Notgonnadoit> is there an Ubuntu person here who can help me?
[08:59] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: ?
[09:00] <Notgonnadoit> I have a detailed problem
[09:00] <Notgonnadoit> and I need to know that someone is up before I right it all out
[09:00] <jacquesmerde> snowblink_: sorry. when i give advice it really is the blind leading the blind
[09:00] <snowblink_> Notgonnadoit: perhaps the mailing list or the forums may be a better choice then
[09:01] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: when you sudo, you will be asked for your user password
[09:01] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: ubuntu locks the root password by default
[09:02] <GammaRay> rather.. it does not set it
[09:02] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: if you issue the command sudo passwd (root), then you will set the root password
[09:02] <jacquesmerde> exactly?
[09:03] <snowblink_> jacquesmerde: yes, but that will not change the password you use when you type sudo command
[09:03] <K-Rich> if you play a microsoft windows cd backwards it plays satanic messages. That's nothing though, if you play it forward it installs windows
[09:03] <Amaranth> old
[09:03] <K-Rich> but funny
[09:04] <raghu> can any tell me weather any one able to browse mahiti.org
[09:04] <_swab_> works for me
[09:05] <raghu> _swab_ : is it for me
[09:05] <K-Rich> works here as well
[09:05] <_swab_> raghu : yup!
[09:05] <raghu> _swab_: thx dude
[09:06] <raghu> K-Rich: thx
[09:08] <rattboi> array 5?
[09:08] <K-Rich> http://krich.dyndns.org/images/erin/erin_mac2.jpg
[09:08] <rattboi> didn't see that
[09:08] <K-Rich> oops
[09:09] <ompaul> rattboi, yesterday
[09:09] <K-Rich> wrong window
[09:09] <rattboi> ah
[09:09] <ompaul> well the 18th
[09:09] <K-Rich> (my kid at her mac if you clicked)
[09:11] <ompaul> I start a new job monday - I am considering dual (well triple but one of them would never be on :)) boot between ubuntu and debian  - I have not used ubuntu in a production setup yet but it seems to be all the right stuff
[09:13] <ompaul> anyway this is grand, up it came sound and all
[09:13] <K-Rich> ompaul: i used to have an all debian show now i'm all ubuntu.. that's 30 PCs
[09:13] <K-Rich> 24 are a render farm
[09:14] <ompaul> K-Rich, okay, is that blender?
[09:14] <michael_> .
[09:14] <K-Rich> ompaul: blender amongst others
[09:15] <ompaul> K-Rich, okay so I think I try that
[09:15] <ompaul> i.e. guess what gets installed first
[09:15] <yohannes> any1 knows if it is safe to remove previous kernel listing on grub?
[09:16] <yohannes> can i just remove the listing or do i have to uninstall the previous kernel?
[09:16] <ompaul> yohannes, the answer is yes if you never ever ever want to use that kernel again :)
[09:16] <K-Rich> yohannes: usually as long as you have tested the one you intend to keep
[09:16] <yohannes> the latest version is stable so far as to what i am doing
[09:16] <yohannes> do i have to uninstall it or remove it?
[09:17] <yohannes> or i can simply delete it from the grub's menu?
[09:17] <ompaul> yohannes, well to be honest if you have the room leave it just configure grub to do the good thing and default to your new kernel if it is not doing so already
[09:18] <ompaul> yohannes, you never know when it might be handy to track back
[09:18] <yohannes> ompaul > i am actually thinking of keeping it. i agree w/ your suggestion
[09:18] <yohannes> but out of curiosity, how can i delete it should i choose to?
[09:19] <ompaul> yohannes,  apt-get remove file just like any other file
[09:20] <ompaul> yohannes, however from a production pespective leaving well enough alone is usually a good thing
[09:21] <ompaul> and the live cd at that a link on the desktop to a folder that points to partitions that one might mount
[09:21] <ompaul> just to make it easy to get to the ogg collection :)
[09:23] <yohannes> ompaul>thanks
[09:23] <K-Rich> brb
[09:29] <snowblink_> is chkconfig a RH specific command?
[09:30] <ompaul> snowblink_, I think it goes with the rpm based distros - it ain't in in ubuntu afaik
[09:30] <phigan> Hello
[09:30] <ompaul> phigan, hi
[09:31] <phigan> whats the difference between hoary and warty?
[09:31] <ompaul> phigan, hoary is a development line that will be production in april
[09:31] <phigan> any disadvantage in using it?
[09:31] <ompaul> phigan, warty is production today
[09:32] <phigan> hoary, that is. that you know of.
[09:32] <K-Rich> ompaul: 1:30am here :/
[09:32] <ompaul> phigan, it is in a state of flux and stuff can be broken in it and no one should care
[09:32] <phigan> so better to stick with warty?
[09:33] <ompaul> phigan, I suppose if you are new to it all go for warty would be my adivce
[09:33] <K-Rich> phigan: will it be an easy move from warty to hoary come april ?
[09:33] <phigan> i'm not that new, but i'm getting this error, and I don't know what to do about it
[09:33] <phigan> mount: Symbol `sys_siglist' has different size in shared object, onsider re-linking
[09:33] <phigan> with mingetty, and several other apps as well
[09:34] <phigan> i was thinking rebuilding glibc would take care of the problem, but I've updated gcc and it seems there are problems building glibc with latest gcc
[09:34] <phigan> heh
[09:34] <ompaul> phigan, well that is the chance you taking as I was pointing to
[09:34] <phigan> oh, that has nothin to do with ubuntu
[09:34] <phigan> that's just whats up with my ibook
[09:35] <phigan> so i was thinking of trying out a distro for once
[09:35] <rattboi> phigan, I tried hoary live cd on my iBook G4
[09:35] <Ronan151> what the best media player for mp3, wma, and ogg?
[09:35] <zenrox> xmms
[09:35] <phigan> rattboi: me too.. it looked pretty but it didn't always function :)
[09:36] <rattboi> phigan, what problems did you have?
[09:36] <Ronan151> is there a plug in for wma's
[09:36] <Ronan151> it only wants to play mp3's
[09:36] <zenrox> dont know got read www.xmms.org
[09:36] <phigan> rattboi: it locked up at least once, and one time it went to sleep and wouldn't wake up
[09:36] <rattboi> huh
[09:36] <rattboi> I had some goofyness with volume, as I remember
[09:36] <rattboi> and sleeping wasn't working
[09:36] <phigan> i was hoping it would have gcc :)
[09:36] <phigan> i don't think it does
[09:36] <rattboi> at least, not by just closing the lid
[09:37] <rattboi> phigan, you mean to program with?
[09:37] <rattboi> apt-get install build-essentials
[09:37] <phigan> rattboi: to rebuild glibc on my harddrive
[09:37] <ompaul> Ronan151, well talk to microsoft about closing their software formats off from the world and annoying you then you might get the idea :) - check google for a package called essentials
[09:37] <phigan> rattboi: You can apt-get while booted from the cd?
[09:37] <rattboi> yeah
[09:37] <phigan> nice
[09:38] <jeavis> hello, how I can now what is my processor and speed?
[09:38] <phigan> i will try it , but last time i tried booting off the cd it just sat at a white/gray screen :/
[09:38] <ompaul> jeavis, cd /proc and then cat cpuinfo
[09:38] <rattboi> I installed a bunch of weird stuff last time I ran the live cd
[09:38] <Ronan151> ha
[09:39] <phigan> i hope it boots :)
[09:39] <phigan> be back in a bit
[09:39] <ompaul> jeavis, that work for you?>
[09:41] <jeavis> ompaul: yes
[09:41] <jeavis> and to know my ram?
[09:42] <ompaul> jeavis, the simple way is to run top and read the value Mem
[09:42] <K-Rich> jeavis: free
[09:42] <Cspnico> yop
[09:42] <ompaul> jeavis, you can exist top by typing q
[09:43] <ompaul> jeavis, you can exit top by typing q  [even] 
[09:43] <apj_ubuntu> does anyone can use driverloader for WLAN card in ubuntu?
[09:43] <jeavis> ompaul, in /proc I use cat meminfo
[09:44] <Mr_Milenko> heh.. im back.. with another problem
[09:44] <ompaul> okay I type 3 letters you type 11 before the enter :0)
[09:45] <Mr_Milenko> o.o
[09:45] <Get> I'm going to buy a wireless network card  to my ubuntu box, any hints of compatible cards?
[09:45] <snowblink_> ompaul: cheers. Just reading the ORA Tomcat book, obviously they assume an RPM system
[09:45] <Cspnico> how do install kernel source on ubuntu?
[09:45] <Mr_Milenko> could someone help me get my damn DCC working in Xchat with a D-Link DL-524 router >:(
[09:45] <ompaul> snowblink_, so you can write to the authors and say you know it is not right for debian this is :-)
[09:46] <Cspnico> the commands apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8.1 doesn't work?
[09:46] <ompaul> right got ro run
[09:46] <ompaul> have a good morning
[09:46] <Ronan151> has anyone used play fair??
[09:49] <will> ubuntu crashes completely when i try and download a torrent! whats going on__
[09:49] <will> ?
[09:50] <K-Rich> echo -e "`hostname`\n`uname` `uname -r`\n[09:53] <snowblink_> K-Rich: gdesklets or gnome-applets can also show info. They are shinier too. ;)
[09:55] <K-Rich> snowblink_: as well as gkrellm :P
[09:55] <K-Rich> snowblink_: but that command uses less resources :)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> gkrellm is useful for mounting and keeping track of disc space etc - and has useful buttons for various things
[10:00] <subterrific> anyone familiar with making debian packages?
[10:01] <subterrific> i've got an interesting issue with a package i'm trying to make
[10:02] <snowblink_> subterrific's nick makes me hungry...
[10:06] <maximaus> hmmm. insight needed. I've got only one pci port and two isa's (two unused usb's as well). Network card is taking up the pci port and it doesn't seem possible to get an isa sound card to work...any suggestions on a soundcard solution? There's an unrecognized on-board sound chip as well...
[10:07] <maximaus> LOL, of course this is with Ubuntu-Warty. :D
[10:09] <zenrox> maximaus,  do you know what the onboard sound card is??
[10:10] <maximaus> I wish. I'm on vacation at the relative's and have no printed guide.
[10:10] <maximaus> It's an old IBM Aptiva box.
[10:11] <zenrox> oh
[10:11] <zenrox> do you rember the model nuber if the aptiva
[10:11] <maximaus> They're happy enough though--they gave the box up for dead with an infested 98 drive. LOL
[10:11] <zenrox> if you do go to ibms webpage and get the vital info
[10:11] <maximaus> Ubuntu seems pretty swish for them even without sound. :P
[10:11] <Aegir> I remember the last Aptiva I had
[10:12] <zenrox> me too
[10:12] <Alquimista> Anyone can tell me if Ubuntu has a tool/method of configuring a) second ethernet card b) internet connection sharing on it (dhcp server & ip masquerade)?
[10:12] <Aegir> Bad memories...
[10:12] <zenrox> Aegir,  me too mwave that should send chills down your spine
[10:12] <Alquimista> [other than dooing it old style by vi-ing config files] 
[10:12] <Aegir> 'Twas an Aptiva E series, running 95 first eddition
[10:12] <maximaus> Yarrr, I'll wander over to the IBM site and try to grab some info.
[10:12] <Aegir> Was reformatted twice a week
[10:12] <zenrox> 95 osr2 on my sys
[10:13] <zenrox> and it had usb too
[10:13] <zenrox> flakey at best tho
[10:13] <Aegir> Oh yeah
[10:13] <Aegir> Aptivas were very crumbly
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: the firestarter firewall app does NAT (IP masquerade) - it's trivially easy to set up: one click really
[10:13] <maximaus> The best thing I can say about this one is yeah--it's got USB, it's quiet, and actually runs Ubuntu better than win98 on a 300mhz chip.
[10:14] <Aegir> Was my first computer and I was about 8 years old
[10:14] <Lathiat> is there a network install cd for hoary?
[10:14] <zenrox> lol
[10:14] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: hi there Oz :-)
[10:14] <zenrox> i gave mine up for dead and 7 years old and broke it with a sleg when i got a new sys
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: hi :)
[10:15] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: yep, but the first step should be to install the ethernet, yep? now, I can edit startup scripts etc. but is there a tool for that I should rather use?
[10:15] <Ronan151> can someone help me, im trying to install digikam and everytime i compile it, it just says error, cant find x includes
[10:15] <Aegir> I've come far with PC's since that Aptiva
[10:15] <zenrox> aegir can i pick you brain about getting that work on my sys then
[10:15] <maximaus> me too, I've got an Emachines now dammit!!!
[10:15] <maximaus> :P
[10:15] <zenrox> dual screens
[10:15] <raghu>  any one crontab specialist?
[10:15] <Aegir> I used the ATI drivers
[10:16] <zenrox> nvidia here
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: frankly I don't know - I have a very simple home network with dialup and I set up nfs etc by editing config files
[10:16] <zenrox> Aegir,  also 2 seprate vid cards
[10:16] <Aegir> Just plugged my seccond screen into the video cards DVI port with a VGA to DVI converter
[10:16] <Aegir> No idea how to do it without using one card and ATI drivers
[10:16] <zenrox> ok no prob then
[10:16] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: thats my point sadly :(
[10:17] <zenrox> both vid cards are nvidia
[10:17] <zenrox> s
[10:17] <Aegir> I spent all day just trying to get the blasted ATI drivers working =(
[10:17] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: I can do that too but it is supposed to be for end users...
[10:17] <zenrox> lol
[10:17] <snowblink_> raghu: not specialist. Just ask your question.
[10:17] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: but you know what? I found something...
[10:17] <Aegir> (I had to reformat after trying to use Synaptic to update to Hoary via the repositories, it didnt work :/)
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: I haven't used it, but some people like webmin
[10:18] <raghu> snowblink_: /home/plone2/zope/arc /home/plone2/zope/var && mv /home/plone2/zope/*.tgz  /root/bak-var
[10:18] <maximaus> Aegir: eek, I think this box is staying warty then.
[10:18] <Aegir> Heheh
[10:18] <raghu> snowblink_: arc is script
[10:19] <wdh> thoreauputic, i never liked it much.. it doesnt help your understanding of what happens either..
[10:19] <Aegir> I ran into issues with Python and the GIMP
[10:19] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: but is it out of the box on Ubuntu?
[10:19] <snowblink_> raghu: why && and not ; ?
[10:19] <zenrox> i upgraded to hoary no probm then i am a bit of a power user
[10:19] <thoreauputic> wdh: I gather it overwrites things as well?
[10:19] <Aegir> They smegged up with conflicts then the whole PC went down
[10:19] <Aegir> So I started fresh with Hoary
[10:19] <Aegir> Works well
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: no, you'd have to apt-get install it
[10:19] <zenrox> Aegir,  dont it tho
[10:20] <wdh> thoreauputic, i dont know.. i always used webmin if i did not know what to configure :P
[10:20] <zenrox> even with polypaudio
[10:20] <maximaus> This box is just an internet access terminal w openoffice, so warty should work well for at least the next year I hope.
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: probably in the universe repo - I'll check, hang on
[10:20] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: no need to...
[10:20] <raghu> snowblink_: arc is script to backup small folder ...it will put in some other folder so i want it to move to my sqpecified folder
[10:20] <Aegir> Heheh, Im pretty new at Ubuntu, I liked it so much I reformatted my dual-booting laptop and PC and stuf Ubuntu on them
[10:21] <zenrox> ya the ubuntu virus striks agine
[10:21] <zenrox> lol
[10:21] <Alquimista> Speaking of Open Office - does anyone know if there are debs for OO 1.1.4 somewhere out there already?
[10:21] <zenrox> ubuntu took over 2 boxes on my network
[10:21] <zenrox> trying to convice the last windows user on my network to switch
[10:21] <Aegir> The only PC I have with Windows is a p100 laptop with Win3.1
[10:21] <wdh> Alquimista, for OOo2 at least :P preview releases that is
[10:21] <maximaus> speaking of with F-Secure is offering linux virus protection for ONLY 80usd per year!!!
[10:21] <Alquimista> thoreauputic: my point is using what is provided in the install
[10:21] <zenrox> i ditched win 7 years ago
[10:21] <Aegir> :D
[10:21] <snowblink_> raghu: is this root's crontab?
[10:22] <grolours> hello, I am new to Ubuntu. I tried to install Warty on my SATA HD. The intall freeze when grub-install is launched. Can someone explain what happen ?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Alquimista: well, apt-cache policy says it's in universe repo, for what it's worth
[10:22] <subterrific> Alquimista: OOo 1.1.4 is in Hoary
[10:22] <Alquimista> wdh: wouldnt use it yet
[10:22] <Alquimista> sub: last I checked, two days ago, it was 1.1.3
[10:22] <Aegir> Moomoomoo. I need a drink...
[10:22] <subterrific> anyone here with experience making debian packages?
[10:22] <raghu> snowblink_: yes
[10:22] <vi11e> does anyone know why my menus in certain programs are fetched to very big resolution.. I have no way of seeing the text in those menus, but the actual programs are normal size.. for example xmms and mplayer
[10:22] <wdh> Alquimista, seems quite stable/usable..
[10:22] <jmob> subterrific: in what manner? what do you want to do?
[10:23] <raghu> snowblink_: i can put the command i pasted in one script and call through command no?
[10:23] <subterrific> Alquimista: yer right, i'm seeing things
[10:23] <snowblink_> raghu: yes you can do that
[10:23] <thoreauputic> subterrific: only with `checkinstall` - I guess that doesn't count ;)
[10:23] <snowblink_> raghu: what problem were you having?
[10:23] <jmob> subterrific: I've use checkinstall to just provide a gross wrapper around things I wanted to be able to yank out with dpkg
[10:23] <maximaus> subterrific: for what it's worth, I often use alien to install rpms if I can't find a .deb. Non mission critical stuff of course.
[10:23] <Alquimista> wdh: what are the most important changes?
[10:23] <subterrific> jmob: i'm learning how to make packages, i've made 4 today, but i've run across an issue i can't solve now
[10:24] <jmob> subterrific: ah, okay, I'm no help then
[10:24] <subterrific> :(
[10:24] <Alquimista> subterrific: I cant help you but it is great you do, making packages is fun and useful for others :)
[10:25] <snowblink_> subterrific: why don't you tell us the issue? Maybe someone will know...
[10:26] <subterrific> well i'm packaging the teamspeak2 server and i want it to run as user daemon group daemon, but it needs write access to /etc/tss2
[10:26] <subterrific> i can't figure out how to have the package create /etc/tss2 and set the permissions, group, and owner
[10:27] <subterrific> i see a few other directories in /etc/ that have owners other than root, so i'm looking at those packages now
[10:31] <snowblink_> subterrific: have you tried #debian?
[10:31] <subterrific> nope
[10:31] <snowblink_> subterrific: I'm guessing some folks on there would know
[10:32] <subterrific> yeah, i just figured out how the courier-imap package is doing it...looks ugly. i'm guessing there isn't a good solution to this problem yet
[10:32] <Echylo> does any one has experience with photoshop CS & Ubuntu
[10:32] <Echylo> and is there a way to get it working,
[10:33] <Aegir> Not to my knowledge,
[10:34] <Aegir> The OS checker on the Photoshop install spits out WINE
[10:34] <helio7> gosh it's late my brains not working what's the untar syntax anyone?
[10:34] <Echylo> maybe cross over office?
[10:34] <Echylo> or cedega?
[10:34] <Aegir> Hmmm, Not sure
[10:34] <helio7> tar -x blah.tar /new/path?
[10:34] <snowblink_> Echylo: I'm not sure if codeweavers have full CS support yet.
[10:34] <Aegir> You can try them, but I cant make any guarentees
[10:34] <thor|away> helio7: tar xvzf <file>
[10:34] <lifeless> helio7: tar xf blah.tar
[10:34] <helio7> thanks
[10:34] <Echylo> hmm
[10:35] <Aegir> You may want to wait for the linux version of Photoshop Adobe are working on
[10:35] <Echylo> ow?
[10:35] <snowblink_> Aegir: they are?
[10:35] <Aegir> Pity is that they have finished the public beta
[10:35] <Sirius_Black> hi guys - can someone please remind me, what is the gnome printer config (gui) tool called?
[10:35] <Lathiat> adobe photoshop runs fine under crossover
[10:35] <Echylo> CS?
[10:35] <helio7> err to untar is what i meant
[10:35] <Aegir> Yeah, my sister is a Windows noob, but she's very good with Photoshop, but she went to the Adobe site and saw the news of Linux PS, and she told me
[10:36] <snowblink_> helio7: tar xvf file
[10:36] <Echylo> yay
[10:36] <Neil3> cool!
[10:36] <Aegir> I doubt that she was BS'ing
[10:36] <Neil3> linux ps
[10:36] <Neil3> :)
[10:36] <Echylo> and is the gimp a good alternative?
[10:36] <Aegir> The GIMP is brilliant
[10:36] <Aegir> I prefer PS though
[10:36] <Echylo> uhu
[10:37] <tolstoy_> when i start my theme preference panel, the pix of the themes have big question marks on them. is there something I can do to fix that?
[10:37] <thor|away> tolstoy_: sometimes they take a while to load
[10:38] <thor|away> tolstoy_: I see the same here but it clears in a second or two
[10:38] <tolstoy_> i haven't seen 'em in months
[10:39] <Sirius_Black> sorry for this repeat but can someone please have a look and remind me, what is the gnome printer config (gui) tool called?  It should be on your ubuntu gnome desktop (i think) - i have somehow managed to lose mine :-(
[10:39] <aspro> The linux beta from adobe was acrobat reader
[10:39] <Aegir> Was it? Darn
[10:39] <aspro> aye
[10:39] <Aegir> I heard that they were working on both'
[10:39] <Aegir> Ahwell
[10:39] <maximaus> Sirius_Black: have a look under computer-system configuration...
[10:39] <aspro> if it was photoshop, it would have been plastered everywhere :)
[10:39] <Aegir> Wine still runs pretty well
[10:39] <Aegir> Yeah
[10:40] <Aegir> I'll go slap my sister for getting my hopes up :D
[10:40] <lifeless> sirius - desktop-admin-printers
[10:40] <Echylo> yea
[10:40] <aspro> gimp vs photoshop flamewars will never die :P
[10:40] <Echylo> give her a slap from me too
[10:40] <Echylo> :p
[10:40] <Sirius_Black> maximaus: can you please just tell me what is the package called - my menus are all messed up
[10:40] <Aegir> =)
[10:41] <Aegir> Well, Wine take aprox 1hr on my box to do a 'make'
[10:41] <snowblink_> Echylo: you can run PS7 on crossover
[10:41] <Aegir> You can run PS7 under normal Wine
[10:41] <Lathiat> why make wine, just install the package
[10:41] <arnau_> Hello. I've installed ubuntu warthy? If I install ubuntu hoary now, somebody can tell me if it is  sufficiently stable?
[10:41] <tolstoy_> gnome-cups-manager?
[10:42] <Aegir> I make Wine to get better performance
[10:42] <Aegir> Not so much performance though
[10:42] <zenrox> arnau_,  what do you consider sufficiently stable
[10:42] <aspro> arnau_ i havent come across any showstoppers yet, not that I am a power user
[10:42] <aspro> :P
[10:42] <Aegir> I have one old game called Transport Tycoon thats VERY picky when it comes to Wine
[10:42] <zenrox> no show stopers here either but i am a power user
[10:43] <tolstoy_> once in a while the kernel is out of sync with available nvidia drivers.
[10:43] <Aegir> It spits out the latest two snapshots
[10:43] <Aegir> And acts eraticly under most package installs
[10:43] <Echylo> hmm
[10:43] <Echylo> I just downed CS
[10:43] <Echylo> now I need 7? :( :p
[10:43] <Aegir> Well, their may be a way to run CS
[10:43] <spiral> hi
[10:43] <Aegir> Google it =D
[10:44] <arnau_> zenrox_: I consider sufficently stable if I can run kde without problem and I have not problems of dependency.
[10:44] <aspro> Echylo, you should look on the codeweavers site, they might have something in the works?
[10:44] <zenrox> arnau_, then hoary ant for you then
[10:44] <Echylo> k aspro I'll check it ou
[10:44] <tolstoy_> Sirius_Black, gnome-cups-manager
[10:45] <arnau_> zenrox_: do you use hoary?
[10:45] <zenrox> arnau_, yep
[10:45] <arnau_> zenrox_: do you use kde?
[10:45] <zenrox> nope
[10:45] <spiral> Riddell: thank you !!!! ;-)
[10:45] <arnau_> zenrox_: what do you use? gnome?
[10:46] <zenrox> yep
[10:46] <Aegir> I use Hoary and Gnome
[10:46] <zenrox> gnome all the way
[10:46] <Aegir> Considering Windowmaker and Xfce though
[10:46] <zenrox> xfce is kewl
[10:46] <zenrox> and eay to install
[10:46] <arnau_> I like kde. Somebody can tell me if hoary works well with kde?
[10:46] <Aegir> Well, there are packages for it
[10:47] <Aegir> My friend broke Warty installing KDE though =D
[10:47] <zenrox> i have some of the kde stuff installed for k3b
[10:47] <k31th> morning all
[10:47] <rattboi> KDE has the better apps, but worse desktop environment
[10:47] <zenrox> evening
[10:48] <zenrox> rattboi,  i agree
[10:48] <Aegir> Yeah, I liken KDE to tinfoil, Cheap, natty, and far too shiny
[10:48] <zenrox> lol
[10:48] <zenrox> Aegir, make shure you add IMHO
[10:48] <k31th> humm iv got this issue this dvr card will only work properly in windows o im thinking about running windows on anouther box  and running linux as my main  box only rebooting to windows for halflife2
[10:48] <rattboi> but at least it doesn't give you cancer
[10:49] <spacey_ki> you sure?:)
[10:49] <Aegir> zenrox: Lol, yeah
[10:49] <Echylo> photoshop CS : known not to work
[10:49] <Echylo> codeweavers :(
[10:49] <zenrox> yep but it can run ps 7.0
[10:49] <zenrox> lol
[10:49] <k31th> i hate windows i fucking hate it i dont want to have to run it for a dvr card grrrr
[10:49] <Aegir> Yeah, must be because Crossover has more stuff to fool the OS detectors
[10:50] <zenrox> but that ant a free program either
[10:50] <Aegir> Yeah
[10:50] <zenrox> but it does work
[10:50] <zenrox> for some program
[10:50] <zenrox> s
[10:50] <Aegir> I've heard good things about Crossover
[10:50] <zenrox> i use it
[10:50] <Aegir> I prefer standard Wine though
[10:51] <tolstoy_> Anyone know what generates the gnome-theme thumbnails, and how I can re-invoke it?  dpkg-reconfigure capplets?
[10:51] <zenrox> gui install is nice in it
[10:51] <Aegir> December 2004 build being my fav
[10:51] <zenrox> thats the ver with dx9 in it
[10:51] <Aegir> Not sure
[10:51] <Aegir> It works well though
[10:52] <Aegir> Runs my quirky old win95 games well
[10:52] <zenrox> tho this is the first linux wine as worked with out any probs
[10:52] <Aegir> Runs JK3 and Quake3 well too
[10:52] <zenrox> qhy not run quake3 nativly
[10:52] <Lathiat> why would you run quake3 under wine ;p
[10:52] <zenrox> why
[10:52] <Aegir> Except the ATI drivers make it not much fun
[10:52] <Lathiat> zenrox: :)
[10:52] <Aegir> I was bored
[10:52] <Aegir> =D
[10:52] <zenrox> lol
[10:52] <Lathiat> haha
[10:53] <zenrox> classic linux user
[10:53] <Aegir> :D
[10:53] <zenrox> "i was boared"
[10:53] <Aegir> Rofl
[10:53] <zenrox> lol
[10:54] <k31th> 'this ati 9500 has no linux driver which means no dual monitors :(
[10:54] <zenrox> its amaziing what we do to linux and it keeps ticken like a switch watch
[10:54] <Aegir> =(
[10:54] <Aegir> Poor k31th
[10:54] <k31th> :(
[10:54] <k31th> sucks
[10:54] <k31th> 'i want duals
[10:54] <Aegir> Want the link to the guide I used to install? You using hoary too?
[10:54] <k31th> install what ?
[10:54] <zenrox> the drivers
[10:54] <Aegir> The ATI drivers
[10:55] <k31th> 9500 ?
[10:55] <Aegir> To get dual-screen
[10:55] <zenrox> yep
[10:55] <Aegir> Yeah,
[10:55] <k31th> fuck yea
[10:55] <k31th> i love you
[10:55] <zenrox> no you dont
[10:55] <Lathiat> Anyone know how to tell nvidia with twinview to use a modeline for one of the displays
[10:55] <zenrox> Lathiat,  not me
[10:55] <k31th> link me up
[10:55] <Aegir> Alrighty then, let me just go through my history in Mozzila
[10:55] <Aegir> *mozilla
[10:55] <zenrox> lol
[10:55] <k31th> kk
[10:55] <maximaus> crap, the IBM site offers no insight on this old Aptiva. What do you guys think: if an ISA sound card doesn't work, surely an ISA network card should be equally ignored? Should I even think about a usb soundcard?
[10:55] <zenrox> Aegir,  you mean firefox
[10:56] <zenrox> maximaus,  not true
[10:56] <Lathiat> maximaus: if the isa sound card doesnt work odds are the io/dma/irq settings are wrong
[10:56] <Aegir> Whatever =P
[10:56] <Lathiat> maximaus: which is perfectly fixable
[10:56] <k31th> Aegir /msg me it im going to dig out other monitor from loft
[10:56] <zenrox> maximaus,  networkcards are all generly supported
[10:56] <maximaus> oooh, tell me more
[10:56] <Aegir> Righto
[10:56] <k31th> Aegir that kool ?
[10:56] <k31th> bb in 10
[10:56] <Aegir> Sure
[10:57] <maximaus> I've got a SB compatible card in my ISA slot, but lsmod shows nuttin'
[10:57] <Lathiat> maximaus: it helpds to identify what brand/chipset/blah the cards are
[10:57] <zenrox> maximaus,  you also might have to run a isasetup for yourd cound card
[10:57] <Lathiat> maximaus: isa stuff isnt automatically detected
[10:57] <netmonk> 3
[10:57] <Lathiat> you'll want to 'modprobe sb' and see if it works then
[10:57] <zenrox> 3 what netmonk
[10:57] <maximaus> brb
[10:57] <Lathiat> you may then need to fiddle with settings such as io, irq and dma
[10:57] <Lathiat> you could try io=0x220 irq=5, works on many setups
[10:57] <netmonk> sorry, this was for the service channel
[10:57] <zenrox> lol
[10:58] <zenrox> what was the isa sound card setup for mdk
[10:58] <maximaus> Lathiat: scuse me for being a knuckledragger, but would those be bios or Ubuntu settings?
[10:58] <Lathiat> yeh you can install that i think
[10:58] <zenrox> ubuntu has that as well
[10:58] <Lathiat> maximaus: in ubuntu
[10:58] <Lathiat> maximaus: run modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5
[10:58] <Lathiat> for example
[10:58] <Lathiat> but its best to try 'modprobe sb' to see if it can figure it out for itself
[10:59] <Lathiat> if not, try those settings, if not i can give you a script which will try most usual combinations
[10:59] <Lathiat> maximaus: Alternatively, if your BIOS lists what the setting sare
[10:59] <Lathiat> maximaus: you can copy them down, and then specify what it said they were
[10:59] <maximaus> modeprobe sb as root gives nothing, is that a good thing? LOL
[10:59] <Lathiat> possibly
[11:00] <Lathiat> type dmesg
[11:00] <Lathiat> see what it says
[11:00] <maximaus> a whole lot, let me parse it...
[11:00] <Lathiat> just look at the last few lines
[11:00] <Lathiat> should say something abotu the sb driver
[11:00] <maximaus> sb: PnP: Found Card Named = "ESS ES1869 Plug and Play AudioDrive", Card PnP id = ESS1869, Device PnP id = ESS1869
[11:00] <Lathiat> and if it found a card
[11:00] <Lathiat> there you go, it found it :)
[11:00] <maximaus> YAY!!
[11:01] <zenrox> lol
[11:01] <Lathiat> you could try play something then see if it works
[11:01] <zenrox> do a simpole system sound
[11:01] <Lathiat> you'll also want to run 'echo sb >> /etc/modules' as root
[11:01] <Lathiat> maximaus: if your stuck for something to test it with, 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' will produce horrible white noise out your speakers :)
[11:01] <maximaus> oh lala!
[11:02] <maximaus> well, I've got to find a power outlet for these speakers first. I'll return in a few.
[11:02] <Lathiat> ok
[11:02] <zenrox> lol
[11:02] <maximaus> You've made my grey day Lathiat.
[11:03] <Lathiat> maximaus: when your done with that I should be able to help you with that network card and usb sound too
[11:03] <OldHenry> hi folks :)
[11:03] <Aegir> 'llo
[11:03] <zenrox> helo
[11:03] <OldHenry> just installed ubuntu.. works great...
[11:03] <zenrox> another covert
[11:03] <maximaus> oh, the network works great, and the usb was in case the isa didn't work. brb.
[11:03] <zenrox> hide
[11:03] <Lathiat> maximaus: Unfortunately, old ISA hardware did not have much in the way of auto-detection, etc
[11:03] <maximaus> plug and pray
[11:03] <maximaus> I know
[11:03] <Lathiat> maximaus: ah cool :))
[11:03] <Lathiat> yes, plug and pray :)
[11:03] <maximaus> LOL
[11:03] <splatch_> hi everybody
[11:03] <Lathiat> pray *really* hard :)
[11:04] <splatch_> where can i find a sources.list file for hoary ?
[11:04] <Echylo> yeaaa
[11:04] <zenrox> lol just not the the porclen god
[11:04] <Echylo> I beated four in a row level three
[11:04] <Echylo> :D
[11:04] <Lathiat> splatch_: simply change all references of warty to hoary in your sources.list
[11:04] <zenrox> yep what hea said
[11:04] <Echylo> can it be that upgrade is broken?
[11:04] <Echylo> cause it dodn't worked with me
[11:04] <Echylo> can't say error
[11:04] <Echylo> I'll check it again this afternoon
[11:04] <zenrox> Echylo,  whats the error
[11:05] <Echylo> he just stopped when setting up packages
[11:05] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone tried OOo2.0-devel in hoary ?
[11:05] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: yeh at one point
[11:05] <zenrox> da_bon_bon, net yet
[11:05] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat: why is the splash sooooo unprofessional ?! :P
[11:06] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: k
[11:06] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: its called a development version for a reason :)
[11:06] <Echylo> :D
[11:06] <Lathiat> splash screens are usually done just before release :)
[11:06] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat: ah, i see. but still, the 1.1 slashed out 2~!!
[11:06] <Lathiat> man i need a faster internet connection
[11:06] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: i thought it was cute myself :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: there's a command switch to disable the splash if you hate it :)
[11:07] <Lathiat> 3 hours to wait till i get the latest hoary-install daily build, blah
[11:07] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: whats it ?
[11:07] <zenrox> installing OOo2.0
[11:07] <zenrox> 1.5 mins
[11:08] <thoreauputic> hmm - I forget - try typing ooffice -help to see ?
[11:09] <Lathiat> maximaus: haha :)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> or man oofice
[11:09] <thoreauputic> *ooffice
[11:09] <maximaus> Good grief, thanks Lathiat, I'm only 47 percent dork and couldn't handle that meself.
[11:10] <maximaus> LOL
[11:10] <ajmitch> Lathiat: 3 hours is nothing :)
[11:10] <Aegir> Ahh, finally, my quirky old Win95 game is running again
[11:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: far too much :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: are you speaking at LCA this year?
[11:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: nope, not even sure if I'm coming yet (hoping to win the RDP)
[11:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: might do a presentation at gnome.conf.au on avahi
[11:11] <ajmitch> ah right
[11:12] <ajmitch> I'm not likely to be there
[11:12] <ajmitch> but I'll certainly be at the next one
[11:12] <Lathiat> in new zealand? :)
[11:12] <Lathiat> man thats going to suck, expensive :(
[11:12] <ajmitch> it's only 10min walk for me :)
[11:12] <Lathiat> hahaha
[11:12] <zenrox> lol
[11:12] <Lathiat> i might have a job by then so might actually have some money ;p
[11:12] <Lathiat> but its alot of money
[11:13] <Lathiat> :(
[11:13] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:13] <Lathiat> worth it tho
[11:13] <ajmitch> you're in perth?
[11:13] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:13] <Lathiat> i was lucky enough to have the conference pay for me last year, and the year before it was in perth and i was an org so that was easy
[11:14] <ajmitch> I'm in Dunedin, so it'd probably cost only slightly more for me to get to canberra than it would for you :)
[11:14] <Lathiat> indeed
[11:14] <Aegir> Darn, theres only one feature of Win Explorer that I liked and want in GNOME, Show files in groups
[11:14] <ajmitch> I was in adelaide, even attended the ipv6 miniconf :)
[11:14] <Lathiat> so you an organiser for 06?
[11:14] <ajmitch> maximaus: well done :)
[11:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch: cool :)
[11:14] <Lathiat> no ipv6 mini conf this year
[11:14] <ajmitch> nope, I'm not helping out yet
[11:15] <Lathiat> conference felt it wasn't close enough to the aims of the conference, or something
[11:15] <abi_> hi
[11:15] <Aegir> Hello
[11:15] <ajmitch> I'd love to be at the security miniconf
[11:15] <maximaus> 'lo
[11:15] <Lathiat> wouldnt mind peeking at the audio either
[11:16] <Lathiat> and security for that matter ;p
[11:16] <ajmitch> too many good things
[11:16] <abi_> i need help, i've changed on ide my cdrom and my cd writer, now i can't write cd's. what conf do i need to modify?
[11:16] <lifeless> Lathiat: you gotta come, and drag adrian along
[11:17] <Lathiat> which adrian?
[11:17] <lifeless> chadd
[11:17] <Lathiat> ah
[11:17] <Lathiat> and who are these scary people who seem to know who i am? :)
[11:17] <Aegir> lol] 
[11:17] <lifeless> I'm robert collins ... who you know
[11:18] <Lathiat> at lca03 i had this guy wander into the computer club and proclaim 'I know you -- your from debian and ipv6', and i had no idea who the hell he was :) was a most interesting experience.
[11:18] <kreiger> mm
[11:18] <kreiger> how do i find a specific file?
[11:18] <lifeless> lol
[11:18] <snowblink_> kreiger: locate filename
[11:18] <kreiger> in console?
[11:18] <Lathiat> altho i dont really have much to do with debian
[11:18] <kreiger> or nautilus?
[11:18] <Aegir> abi_: What apps do you use to burn? I know a few have to be configured at startup, and should have a prefferences menu
[11:18] <Lathiat> no sure were he go that idea
[11:18] <snowblink_> kreiger: cli
[11:18] <Lathiat> i just run it
[11:18] <lifeless> lavigj: well I met you @ lca04, talking ipv6 stuff
[11:18] <Lathiat> although i've moved to ubuntu now on my desktops
[11:18] <kreiger> cli?
[11:19] <snowblink_> kreiger: Command Line Interface, Terminal, Console, TTY
[11:19] <thoreauputic> kreiger: command line interface
[11:19] <abi_> Aegir: first app that fails is cdrecord to erase a cd-rw disc
[11:19] <snowblink_> kreiger: whatever you want to call it. ;)
[11:19] <kreiger> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[11:19] <snowblink_> kreiger: fresh install?
[11:19] <kreiger> yes
[11:19] <k31th> updatedb
[11:20] <thoreauputic> kreiger: run sudo updatedb
[11:20] <snowblink_> kreiger: sudo updatedb
[11:20] <Aegir> abi_: Not sure I can help you, try going through any man page or docu you can find, it should say what its config is
[11:20] <kreiger> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[11:20] <thoreauputic> sudo updatedb
[11:20] <snowblink_> kreiger: don't worry about that one
[11:20] <snowblink_> kreiger: only happens the first time
[11:20] <kreiger> hm
[11:21] <kreiger> so now just let it run?
[11:21] <snowblink_> kreiger: yes
[11:21] <kreiger> k.
[11:21] <abi_> Aegir, the problem is that the record programs now try to record in the cd reader
[11:21] <kreiger> i GUESS it's doing something
[11:21] <snowblink_> kreiger: then locate filename
[11:21] <thoreauputic> kreiger: yes, then try locate again
[11:21] <kreiger> i don't see it doing something
[11:21] <kreiger> ahh k
[11:21] <kreiger> danke
[11:21] <thoreauputic> kreiger: silence is golden
[11:21] <thoreauputic> takes a while
[11:21] <Aegir> abi_: Yeah, thats outta my depth, sorry mate, cant help you.
[11:21] <kreiger> found it
[11:21] <kreiger> thanks guys
[11:22] <abi_> Aegir, thanks anyway
[11:22] <Aegir> abi_: No problem
[11:24] <thoreauputic> abi_: you can point the cd burn program at the new devices - probably /dev/hdc has become hdd and vice-versa, or somthing similar
[11:24] <abi_> thoreauputic, ok. do you know how can i do that for cdrecord?
[11:25] <photoguy41> how do i set GTK_CONFIG?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> abi_: no, sorry - but you can scan for it - something like cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus ( I might have that wrong - needs checking )
[11:27] <abi_> thoreauputic, i'll try
[11:27] <abi_> thoreauputic, tnks
[11:28] <thoreauputic> abi_: that seems to give a result here like 2, 2, 2 with a bunch of other rubbish...
[11:29] <abi_> thoreauputic, yes, and i get the scsi locations of my cd-rom and cd-rw
[11:29] <thoreauputic> abi_: check where your /dev/cdrom link points as well -  ls -l /dev/cdrom
[11:29] <thoreauputic> you probably need to change that link
[11:30] <abi_> thoreauputic, /dev/cdrom must point to cd reader or to cd writer?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> eg from /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc or whatever
[11:30] <siimo> does linux support PCI express
[11:31] <thoreauputic> abi_: points to the reader here
[11:31] <thoreauputic> in my case /dev/hdd
[11:31] <abi_> thoreauputic, well, now is pointing to writer, how do i change it?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> delete the link and make a new one
[11:32] <thoreauputic> # rm /dev/cdrom && ln -s /dev/hd*  /dev/cdrom
[11:32] <thoreauputic> something like that
[11:33] <scizzo> you can change the preferences for the cdrom stuff a lot in the controls from GNOME also
[11:34] <scizzo> you can also change that in /etc/fstab
[11:34] <abi_> thoreauputic, have changed /dev/cdrom now points to reader
[11:34] <thoreauputic> scizzo: good point
[11:34] <siimo> i am asking as im planning to buy a GeForce 6600 256MB PCI Express  will it work with ubuntu
[11:35] <thoreauputic> abi_: scizzo is right - you can edit /etc/fstab
[11:35] <abi_> scizzo, but in fstab the two drives have identicar lines
[11:35] <scizzo> abi_: well they should use different devices
[11:35] <thoreauputic> abi_: they shouldn't - needs fixing
[11:35] <scizzo> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:35] <scizzo> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:35] <scizzo> as a example
[11:36] <abi_> scizzo, yes, I mean all line is identicar but /media/cdrom?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> abi_: those are the mount points
[11:36] <scizzo> abi_: well that is the main source of the mountpoints for the devices I guess
[11:36] <thoreauputic> abi_: they need to be different, obviously :)
[11:36] <kreiger> Hm, anybody know a good filemanager besides nautilus?
[11:37] <abi_> scizzo, will it work if I swap cdrom0 for cdrom1?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> kreiger: rox filer
[11:37] <kreiger> OR a way to keep nautilus in one window?
[11:37] <kreiger> preferably with two panes
[11:37] <scizzo> abi_: change the device order in fstab
[11:37] <thoreauputic> kreiger: it's a pain, isn't it?
[11:37] <kreiger> yes.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> kreiger: middle click wil do it
[11:37] <kreiger> i'm too lazy to middleclick
[11:38] <abi_> now I have: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:38] <abi_> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:38] <thoreauputic> kreiger: but I recommend rox
[11:38] <iPal> hello?
[11:38] <scizzo> iPal: hi
[11:38] <kreiger> danke, thoreauputic.
[11:39] <scizzo> abi_: change hdc to hdb and change hdb to hdc then
[11:39] <iPal> are any of you free for a couple of minutes?
[11:39] <scizzo> abi_: save the file...put a data CD in and mount /media/cdrom0
[11:39] <scizzo> or something
[11:39] <thoreauputic> kreiger: no worries :)
[11:39] <scizzo> iPal: don't ask to ask...just ask
[11:40] <iPal> ok, i'm having trouble installing ubuntu on an iBook
[11:40] <iPal> an old iBook G3
[11:40] <abi_> scizzo, ok i will try this thinks, thanks
[11:40] <abi_> thoreauputic, thanks
[11:40] <iPal> The CD mounts on Mac OS 9
[11:40] <thoreauputic> abi_: no problem :)
[11:40] <iPal> and the installer starts up when i use the 'c' key
[11:40] <iPal> the installation procedure loads
[11:41] <iPal> language, keyboard etc fine
[11:41] <iPal> then, it says it cant mount the cd
[11:41] <scizzo> abi_: if you want to see if cdrecord finds the devices then run: cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[11:41] <thoreauputic> scizzo: I told him that one already ;)
[11:41] <abi_> scizzo, yes, i've tried it before
[11:41] <scizzo> ok
[11:41] <scizzo> sorry
[11:41] <scizzo> :P
[11:41] <abi_> :)
[11:41] <thoreauputic> scizzo: ;-)
[11:42] <abi_> thanks both
[11:42] <scizzo> iPal: hmmm...you get what error msg?
[11:42] <iPal> it says it cant mount the cd
[11:42] <abi_> bye
[11:42] <iPal> it is asking me to insert the cd and then click continue
[11:42] <iPal> or OK
[11:42] <scizzo> iPal: I had problems mounting/reading a CD that I burned to hard....I used a speed the CD was not happy to burn...
[11:43] <iPal> oh, maybe i should try 4x?
[11:43] <iPal> or 2x?
[11:43] <Panzerboy> hey
[11:43] <iPal> another weird thing, when i mounted the iso image using toast, it showed up as two cds, but when i burnt it and then loaded it on the cd rom, it only came up as one
[11:44] <kreiger> mm
[11:44] <kreiger> toast
[11:44] <kreiger> i want toast
[11:44] <scizzo> iPal: did you try to use x8?
[11:44] <iPal> actually, 16x
[11:44] <kreiger> apt-get pizza
[11:44] <kreiger> apt-get soda
[11:44] <kreiger> win!
[11:44] <k31th> apt-get install sodamizer
[11:44] <jeavis> hello
[11:44] <scizzo> iPal: try to burn one with 8x
[11:44] <kreiger> ...
[11:44] <scizzo> iPal: might help
[11:44] <jeavis> I have a problem with php
[11:45] <kreiger> hey, here's a question boys
[11:45] <iPal> or maybe something slower? i really dont mind
[11:45] <scizzo> iPal: 8x should be ok
[11:45] <scizzo> iPal: depends on the CD
[11:45] <scizzo> iPal: before you burn though...look if the md5sum is correct
[11:45] <iPal> ok
[11:45] <scizzo> iPal: you can get the md5sum stuff on the site
[11:45] <Panzerboy> snowblink_: you still here?
[11:45] <jeavis> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4  FTP: NOT FOUND
[11:46] <scizzo> iPal: hmmm...maybe there is a bug report about this
[11:46] <iPal> oh?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> jeavis: it's in main - is your sources.list correct?
[11:47] <iPal> if the disk loads and i can see the file, the md5sum must be ok right?
[11:47] <scizzo> give me a few secs
[11:48] <netmonk> how can I format a partition in ubuntu? there is no grafical paritioner, right?
[11:48] <Panzerboy> netmonk: sudo apt-get install gparted
[11:48] <Panzerboy> netmonk: gnome frontend to parted
[11:48] <Panzerboy> i dont't know though in which repo is it
[11:48] <subterrific> yay
[11:49] <subterrific> got the teamspeak2 server packaged
[11:49] <subterrific> figured out that permissions issue
[11:49] <Panzerboy> subterrific: i have no clue what is that, but good for you :)
[11:49] <subterrific> :)
[11:49] <netmonk> Panzerboy, thanks
[11:49] <subterrific> http://goteamspeak.com
[11:50] <Panzerboy> subterrific: voip stuff
[11:50] <Panzerboy> i'm using skype
[11:50] <Panzerboy> mainly because all my friends use it
[11:50] <iPal> and because skype is really good...?
[11:50] <Panzerboy> iPal: yeah, that too :)
[11:51] <iPal> :-)
[11:51] <Panzerboy> it's ok
[11:51] <iPal> anything better out there?
[11:51] <Panzerboy> i have no idea
[11:51] <scizzo> iPal: can't find a report about this....
[11:51] <Panzerboy> i'm not that deep into voip
[11:51] <iPal> scizzo, thanks
[11:52] <subterrific> teamspeak is used by gamers mostly
[11:52] <Panzerboy> i've heard asterisk is good, but it has some problems with NAT
[11:52] <scizzo> iPal: if you find something that is wrong...look at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <iPal> ok
[11:52] <jeavis> thoreauputic: I do that
[11:52] <Panzerboy> let's see what will be broken afterwards :)
[11:52] <subterrific> asterisk is a full PBX, not really practical for casual use
[11:53] <scizzo> iPal: I tried to install ubuntu on a i386 machine when I burned the CD to fast and it stuck AFAIK at the same place as you....
[11:53] <iPal> oh, so i'll try the lowest speed then
[11:53] <scizzo> iPal: just try with 4x or 8x I used 8x and it worked fine
[11:54] <iPal> ok, and is the 2 cd image thing a problem?
[11:54] <Panzerboy> do you know any dc++ client that uses gtk2 ?
[11:54] <scizzo> iPal: that I don't know
[11:54] <scizzo> iPal: was it a loop you mounted it as?
[11:54] <iPal> a loop?
[11:54] <iPal> i dont understant
[11:54] <scizzo> iPal: does this happen if you try to mount some other iso?
[11:55] <iPal> 2 cd images? no
[11:55] <scizzo> iPal: hmmm...
[11:55] <Panzerboy> iPal: what is the problem ?
[11:55] <scizzo> iPal: I have no answer for that....sorry
[11:55] <iPal> when i open the iso in toast
[11:55] <iPal> and click the mount button
[11:55] <iPal> it shows up as 2 virtual cds
[11:55] <iPal> but when i burn it to a disc, it is only one
[11:56] <iPal> and, the installer says it cant read the cd after it has started up from it
[11:56] <iPal> anyways, i'll try burning the disc at 4x
[11:56] <iPal> thanks guys!
[11:57] <drasko> Could not access ALSA device "default", check its permissions... Where to do this?
[12:00] <drasko> Could not access ALSA device "default", check its permissions... Where to do this
[12:00] <bascule> chmod 1666 /dev/snd/*
[12:01] <KonvIRC> Hi guys, I have an old notebook and thought to install deb, does anybody know if you can install ubuntu via modem, as in deb?
[12:03] <kirkt> hey all im trying to install array 5, but it says it can't find and mount a cdrom
[12:03] <kirkt> (it runs from the cdrom... doh!!)
[12:03] <kirkt> any insights ?
[12:04] <Aegir> There's an array 5?
[12:04] <kirkt> yes
[12:04] <_4strO> what is array 5 ?
[12:04] <kirkt> huh
[12:05] <kirkt> hoary..
[12:05] <_4strO> mmm
[12:06] <_4strO> kirkt> array 5 is another name for hoary ?
[12:06] <kirkt> anyone knows why ubuntu BOOTS from cd but then doesn't detect it ?
[12:06] <kirkt> Development Release: Ubuntu Linux 5.04 Array 5
[12:06] <kirkt> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[12:07] <Tomcat_> kirkt: My experience is that you need to reinsert CDs after boot so the automounter will see it.
[12:07] <_4strO> kirkt> thx :)
[12:07] <_4strO> strange system :p
[12:07] <kirkt> doesnt work Tomcat_
[12:08] <kirkt> man this sux.. i didn't know ubuntu was so hard to install
[12:08] <_4strO> kirkt> while installation ?
[12:08] <lifeless> when I boot with 2.6.11-1-686, I get a hang on login to gnome
[12:08] <lifeless> anoyone else seen thing ?
[12:09] <_4strO> dont have this kernel
[12:09] <_4strO> :/
[12:09] <spiral> lifeless: under hoary ?
[12:09] <lifeless> yah
[12:10] <spiral> lifeless: I'm still with a 2.6.10... didn't even know 2.6.11 was out
[12:11] <spiral> lifeless: on kernel.org, they still say 2.6.10...
[12:11] <lifeless> robertc@lifelesslap:~$ apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.11-1-686
[12:11] <lifeless> Package: linux-image-2.6.11-1-686
[12:11] <lifeless> Priority: optional
[12:11] <lifeless> Section: universe/base
[12:11] <lifeless> Installed-Size: 48196
[12:11] <lifeless> Maintainer: Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@ubuntu.com>
[12:11] <lifeless> Architecture: i386
[12:11] <lifeless> Source: linux-source-2.6.11
[12:11] <lifeless> Version: 2.6.11-0.2
[12:11] <lifeless> Provides: linux-image, linux-image-2.6
[12:12] <spiral> lifeless: I know... but I'm quite astonished it isn't annouced on kernel.org... Maybe isn't it a release ?
[12:12] <spiral> whatever, it doesn't come with linux-restricted-modules, so I can't use it for now...
[12:13] <scizzo> spiral: its a development version I guess
[12:13] <scizzo> spiral: otherwise it would have replaced the 2.6.10 by now
[12:13] <gotcha> I'm looking for help with NDISWRAPPER
[12:13] <gotcha> who may know
[12:13] <spiral> scizzo: I suppose so
[12:14] <scizzo> spiral: all the versions on the sites are release candidates so
[12:14] <markuman_> i've problems to compile wine on my 64bit kernel
[12:14] <markuman_> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot creat e executables
[12:15] <markuman_> gcc and libc6 are installed
[12:15] <lifeless> ah bug 6475
[12:15] <thoreauputic> markuman_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:16] <thoreauputic> markuman_: that should fix the error
[12:16] <markuman_> thoreauputic, i have done this already
[12:16] <markuman_> the same mistake
[12:17] <scizzo> markuman_: new version of wine?
[12:17] <scizzo> gcc-4.0
[12:17] <scizzo> try that one
[12:17] <markuman_> yes wine-20050211
[12:17] <scizzo> markuman_: have you looked at the versions that is need to compile it?
[12:18] <scizzo> markuman_: should be in the README or INSTALL
[12:18] <markuman_> ok
[12:18] <scizzo> you should read them before doing anything
[12:19] <thoreauputic> heh ... funny how often people ignore the big README signs ... ;-)
[12:20] <anthonws> hi
[12:20] <scizzo> thoreauputic: that is why we also list: http://www.gimp.org/source/#requirements and such on the GIMP website
[12:20] <scizzo> thoreauputic: there is info....but many people ignore it....
[12:20] <thoreauputic> scizzo: you're involved with gimp development?
[12:21] <Aegir> Thats it, Im removing brightside...
[12:21] <scizzo> thoreauputic: document and website yes...
[12:21] <thoreauputic> scizzo: awesome program , thanks for your work :)
[12:22] <kirkt> can anyone explain me how would ubuntu not detect a cdrom it boots from in the install ??
[12:22] <Aegir> Thanks scizzo, great work
[12:23] <scizzo> thoreauputic: tell that to the main developers....I am just trying to help with information
[12:23] <thoreauputic> scizzo: well, that's just as important !
[12:23] <markuman_> it still doesn't work
[12:24] <markuman_> to compile win
[12:24] <markuman_> e
[12:24] <scizzo> thoreauputic: hehe
[12:24] <markuman_> on 64bit
[12:24] <markuman_> everytime the same mistake
[12:24] <thoreauputic> markuman_: I think there's a #winehq or something...
[12:24] <scizzo> Aegir: :)
[12:25] <anthonws> has anyone succeded to have 3d with a ati 7000 igp?
[12:25] <markuman_> ok
[12:26] <Aegir> IGP is a pain in the behind, just to warn you
[12:27] <Aegir> I have a mobility 9000 IGP in my laptp
[12:27] <Aegir> (But I get 700fps in glxgears as apposed to my 1200 in glxgears on my 9600pro desktop, darn ati drivers)
[12:29] <anthonws> ok. just dont understand why it is taking so lon for us to have a nice driver..... snif...
[12:29] <subterrific> markuman_: wine doesn't compile natively on amd64
[12:29] <anthonws> i'm getting 360 frames
[12:29] <robertj> heya all, is the openoffice.org2 database component going to be packaged any time soon?
[12:29] <flosch> hi
[12:30] <subterrific> markuman_: you have to run a 32bit binary. pretty much all windows apps are 32bit since 64bit windows hasn't been released
[12:30] <markuman_> subterrific, damn
[12:30] <markuman_> subterrific, is it impossible to compile it on 64bit?
[12:31] <subterrific> 03:29 < subterrific> markuman_: wine doesn't compile natively on amd64
[12:31] <subterrific> markuman_: i'm using cedega on my amd64 to run Half-Life2, CS:Source, etc...
[12:32] <subterrific> markuman_: it works great
[12:33] <Cspnico> hi
[12:33] <Aegir> Ahh, and I was so darn good at Jedi Academy...
[12:33] <Aegir> Hello
[12:33] <markuman_> subterrific, how did you manage to get cedega running?
[12:33] <Cspnico> someone have the compilate wllan driver for kernel 2.6.8-1-3-386
[12:34] <Cspnico> someone have the compilate wlan driver for kernel 2.6.8-1-3-386?
[12:34] <freddy> Hi! I have problems with installing a java RE I added multiverse to sources.apt but I still can't apt-get sun-jre1.5debian
[12:35] <scizzo> freddy: I don't think it is included there
[12:35] <scizzo> freddy: apt-cache search jre or something
[12:36] <freddy> scizzo: but when i do a apt-cache search it will find me the package
[12:36] <scizzo> search for available packages
[12:36] <freddy> i did ;)
[12:36] <scizzo> aaa
[12:36] <scizzo> hmmm
[12:36] <subterrific> markuman_: there is a thread in the forums where i posted how i did it, let me find it
[12:36] <scizzo> it says no such package or something?
[12:37] <freddy> it says it can't be installed thats all. Hold on I reproduce the error
[12:37] <freddy> un-j2re1.5debian: Vereisten: sun-j2re1.5 maar het is niet installeerbaar
[12:37] <freddy> sorry it's dutch
[12:37] <freddy> but it tells the package aint installable
[12:38] <[m0rph] > hi
[12:38] <freddy> i already apt-getted jre
[12:38] <freddy> but i still have no java
[12:38] <snowblink_> Firefox automatically preloads the next page - is there anyway to disable this? (Safari books being crap)
[12:38] <drasko> how to add myself in a audiogroup?
[12:38] <[m0rph] > i've installed hoary and some gnome programs are not in my language de_DE.UTF8
[12:38] <freddy> adduser user audio
[12:39] <markuman_> subterrific, ok
[12:39] <anthonws> Aegir, so there is nothing to do about this? we will just have to wait?
[12:39] <Aegir> anthonws, about what?
[12:39] <freddy> same goes for the video group in wich you like to add yourself (trust me)
[12:39] <drasko> freddy, wher to check what users are in this group?
[12:39] <anthonws> Aegir, i'm sorry. about the ati drivers
[12:40] <Aegir> anthonws, well, that depends entirly on how ATI go about things
[12:40] <freddy> drasko: I use a frontend for that. Kuser
[12:40] <Aegir> Word has it that they have doubled the manpower on their linux driver team, so maybe things might get better
[12:40] <Echylo> how do you change default applications?
[12:40] <Echylo> cause I want to open mp3's with xmms
[12:40] <thoreauputic> drasko: typing ` groups` will tell you what groups you are in
[12:41] <anthonws> Aegir, that would be wonderfull!
[12:41] <Echylo> and with properties of a mp3 it doesn't work
[12:41] <drasko> freddy, and in the command line? Thanks for all the answers...
[12:41] <Aegir> anthonws, Indeed it would
[12:41] <drasko> thoreauputic, tnx
[12:41] <freddy> drasko: dunno, never did it by the command line, try man adduser
[12:41] <subterrific> markuman_: this is kind of hackish, but read this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11404&page=1&pp=10
[12:41] <anthonws> Aegir, until then.. i'm not going to be able to play wormux...... buaaaaa
[12:42] <Aegir> anthonws, a good place for gossip regarding the Linux drivers is rage3d.com, a lot of the actual ATI devs hang around there
[12:42] <anthonws> Aegir, thanks! i'm going to check it out
[12:42] <echylo_> how you change default applications??
[12:42] <echylo_> I want to open mp3's with XMMS
[12:42] <echylo_> instead of totem
[12:43] <echylo_> and some1 kick echylo
[12:43] <drasko> thoreauputic, I just added myself from root console to audio group and when I write groups in my terminal it just says : drasko... Nothing else.. what file to check to see ?
[12:43] <markuman_> subterrific, ok, thx
[12:43] <thoreauputic> echylo_: in nautilus, right click on a file, choose properties
[12:43] <Aegir> Whoah, 8.10.19! New drivers! Woot!
[12:43] <echylo_> that didn't worked
[12:43] <echylo_> I can't remove totem
[12:43] <echylo_> not even as root
[12:43] <bascule> drasko: I think you will have to log out and back in
[12:43] <tolstoy_> do you guys know where the thumbnails in gnome-theme-manager are stored?  I can't seem to get them to show up in the applet.
[12:44] <thoreauputic> drasko: you need to logout and in for it to take effect
[12:44] <drasko> ok thanks everybody
[12:44] <thoreauputic> echylo_:  works fine here - you aren't looking very hard I think
[12:44] <echylo_> I did
[12:44] <echylo_> man
[12:45] <anthonws> Aegir, in what section is that?
[12:45] <echylo_> right click
[12:45] <echylo_> properties
[12:45] <echylo_> open with
[12:45] <echylo_> xmms is the first in line
[12:45] <Aegir> http://rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=88
[12:45] <echylo_> but I can't remove totem neither music player
[12:45] <thoreauputic> echylo_: why do you need to?
[12:45] <larsrohdin> how can i play dvds with mplayer? i have downloaded the dvd-playback plugin...
[12:45] <echylo_> beacuse it doesn't opens xmms as default
[12:45] <thoreauputic> echylo_: the one you mark will be the default
[12:46] <echylo_> hey
[12:46] <freddy> gotta go!
[12:46] <freddy> Later!
[12:46] <echylo_> you don't listen :| I said it always opens it with totem
[12:46] <echylo_> even if I select xmms
[12:47] <thoreauputic> echylo_: well, I don't know then - it works that way here
[12:48] <oficina> hello
[12:48] <anthonws> Aegir, those drivers dont fit or the igp chip, right?
[12:49] <Aegir> anthonws, Not sure
[12:49] <Aegir> I didnt have any luck with a *mobility* radeon igp
[12:49] <echylo_> it aint working here thoreauputic
[12:49] <echylo_> otherwise I wouldn't ask
[12:50] <Aegir> It is supposed to support ordinary IGP though I think
[12:50] <anthonws> Aegir, i'm not going to risk that... thanks anyway
[12:50] <anthonws> got to go. thanks and stay well
[12:50] <Aegir> anthonws, No problem
[12:51] <edulix> how to enterin gnome menus via nautilus?
[12:51] <Aegir> Yeah, peace
[12:51] <thoreauputic> Echylo: hmm - OK, can't help then
[12:51] <Echylo> k thx anyway
[12:51] <thoreauputic> edulix:  nautilus applications:///   (in warty)
[12:51] <larsrohdin> how to play dvds in mplayer? anyone?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> edulix: then right click, add launcher
[12:52] <edulix> oks
[12:52] <thoreauputic> edulix: you can also do it from the menu with right click, whole menu, add launcher
[12:54] <edulix> thoreauutic: but how can I see the "Equipo" (in spanish. maybe machine in english) menu in nautilus?
[12:54] <Echylo> thoreauputic, got it working
[12:55] <Echylo> dunno what the prob was, but the user hadn't the permission to execute it
[12:55] <thoreauputic> Echylo: oh? what did you do?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[12:55] <Echylo> but that won't be the prob
[12:55] <Echylo> I added aplication
[12:55] <Echylo> and refered to /usr/bin/xmms
[12:55] <Echylo> instead of just xmms
[12:56] <Echylo> what I had to do in the first place probably
[12:57] <drasko> I ca't mount cdrom with audio disc in it... With mp3 disc it mounts fine...
[12:58] <Echylo|Study> u use right syntax?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> drasko: you don't mount audio CDs
[12:58] <thoreauputic> drasko: they have no file system to mount
[12:59] <thoreauputic> drasko: you just play them with your player of choice
[01:01] <winkle> Is tomboy crashing for anyone else?
[01:09] <Panzerboy> any idea what's the deal with the linux-sources-2.6.11 kernel?
[01:09] <Panzerboy> is 2.6.11 out?
[01:10] <mz2> should rhythmbox-gstreamer work fine with polypaudio?
[01:11] <fsc> Aegir, don't get your hopes up.  I hope composite gets fast - or even enabled for that matter, on ATI's drivers in the near future
[01:12] <fsc> Aegir, but tell me if you see a miracle ;)
[01:12] <Aegir> Will do
[01:14] <edulix> it's a pitty that composite only works in nvidia and even there is highly unstable
[01:14] <fsc> yep
[01:14] <fsc> i wonder what these new experimental XGl servers will give us
[01:15] <Aegir> Yeah
[01:15] <fsc> i wanna try the Novell one
[01:16] <anTiX> any good app for streaming radio?
[01:16] <fsc> but i need to figure out init scripts so i can just choose one or the other fast
[01:17] <kirkt> can anyone help me with this: im trying hoary.. but the thing won't install any of my hardware (no cdrom, no net..)
[01:17] <kirkt> i've tried hotswapping this and warthy cds
[01:17] <kirkt> but no use
[01:19] <mz2> huh? rhythmbox just randomly works and doesn't work
[01:19] <mz2> if i try selecting a song a few times, it just starts to play it, and most of the time just says that vague cannot pause playback
[01:20] <anTiX> I used winamp for streaming radio but migrating to ubuntu now, is there a good app for it? or which one do you use?
[01:21] <Lathiat> anTiX: rhythmbox works fine
[01:21] <thoreauputic> mz2: unfortunately rhythmbox has issues
[01:21] <mz2> anTiX, rhythmbox works fine
[01:21] <anTiX> ok thanks :)
[01:21] <mz2> thoreauputic, but it worked fine last bootup :)
[01:21] <Panzerboy> any of you guys using muine?
[01:21] <mz2> i had this sort of problems like a year ago last time :)
[01:21] <Lathiat> mz2: check what sound system gstreamer is using
[01:21] <drasko> thoreauputic, yes... ok... that makes sanse... But mp3 sound I do hear, and audio not! What's the problem?
[01:21] <mz2> esd
[01:21] <thoreauputic> mz2: yes, it is a bit temperamental...
[01:21] <Lathiat> positive?
[01:21] <mz2> or rather, polypaudio
[01:21] <mz2> yes
[01:21] <Lathiat> well yeh thats ok
[01:21] <Lathiat> weird
[01:21] <Lathiat> try killing polypaudio
[01:21] <Lathiat> start it again
[01:21] <Lathiat> see what happens
[01:22] <mz2> maybe it just has a bad day
[01:22] <Lathiat> i have issues with it on first start
[01:22] <thoreauputic> drasko: possibly your CD -Rom has no wire to the sound card
[01:22] <Lathiat> if i kill and start it again it works fine
[01:22] <mz2> which is a pity,since i'm having a great day
[01:22] <mz2> Lathiat, thanks, I'll give it a try
[01:22] <thoreauputic> drasko: in that case you will need to use xmms or beep-media-player and enable digital playing
[01:23] <drasko> thoreauputic, you mean like hardware... But it works from Windoze...
[01:23] <Lathiat> drasko: Windows uses 'digital playing' as thoreauputic just described you can do
[01:23] <thoreauputic> drasko: because windows media player uses digital play
[01:23] <drasko> oh..
[01:23] <drasko> that miht be..
[01:23] <drasko> thanks peoplez
[01:23] <Lathiat> i didnt know xmms did that?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: yeah, it's under the prefs for the CD plugin
[01:24] <thoreauputic> from memory
[01:25] <Aegir> I have a complete mind blank, whats the option with dpkg to force an .deb to install?
[01:25] <Aegir> (Equivelent of --force with rpm)
[01:25] <Echylo|Study> which p2p programs do u guys use?
[01:25] <anTiX> rhythmbox works great for streaming! soon I will not have to boot my windoz machine anymore :)
[01:25] <Echylo|Study> cause amule isn't really speedy
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: Ifind the xmms menus unintuitive in the extreme -
[01:26] <rattboi> yeah, they suck
[01:26] <drasko> thoreauputic, but how to open audio with xmms.. It needs files imported in pl... and there are no files, no volume mounted here...
[01:27] <Lathiat> thoreauputic: yeh try beep-media-player
[01:27] <thoreauputic> drasko: you go to /mnt/media and choose a directory
[01:27] <Lathiat> its a fork of xmms
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: I have :)
[01:27] <Lathiat> any better?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: looks beeter and is easier to use
[01:27] <Lathiat> cool
[01:27] <Pinguvin> how do i do this? .. set JAVA_HOME environment variable to /usr/lib/fjsdk (and preferably add /usr/lib/fjsdk/bin at the beginning of your PATH)
[01:28] <kirkt> how can i make the ubuntu install ask me more question regarding the process of the install ?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> drasko: install beep-media-player as Lathiat suggests
[01:28] <Lathiat> kirkt: you can start it in 'expert' mode
[01:28] <Panzerboy> Echylo|Study: i am trying to find a dc client that uses gtk not qt
[01:28] <Lathiat> kirkt: wat questions were you ever specifically?
[01:28] <kirkt> Lathiat i want partman to ask me what kind of layout i want for the partitions
[01:28] <Panzerboy> Echylo|Study: other than that, for the donkey protocol, i only know aMule, xMule and mldonkey
[01:28] <Lathiat> kirkt: thats done by default
[01:28] <Lathiat> kirkt: you just have to use the manual option
[01:29] <Lathiat> kirkt: rather than the 'erase entire disk' option
[01:29] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: export JAVA_HOME /blah/blah/path/to/jsdk ?
[01:29] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: in your .bashrc
[01:30] <kirkt> Lathiat im in the menu now
[01:30] <kirkt> where to go?
[01:30] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: export JAVA_HOME=/blah/blah/path/to/jsdk ?
[01:30] <Panzerboy> sorry :)
[01:30] <Panzerboy> the last one is correct
[01:30] <Pinguvin> Panzerboy, i put that line in .bashrc?
[01:30] <Lathiat> kirkt: im not sure, theres an option when it comes to parttion called 'partition manually' or somethign like that
[01:30] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: yeah, but put the correct path to the jsdk :)
[01:31] <drasko> thoreauputic, with xmms doesn't seem to work. In /media i only see emty folder cdrw, so xmms can not add files to pl...
[01:31] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: like /usr/lib/fjsdk or whatever it is
[01:31] <Pinguvin> Panzerboy, yea im not THAT dumb :P
[01:31] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: sorry :)
[01:31] <Pinguvin> Panzerboy, but thanks
[01:31] <Panzerboy> Pinguvin: np
[01:32] <thoreauputic> drasko: it will work - you might need to fiddle - beep-media-player is easier - you just right click and choose "play CD"
[01:32] <drasko> thoreauputic, I'm installing it right now.. thanks...
[01:32] <thoreauputic> drasko: install beep is my advice - also it will use xmms skins
[01:32] <Panzerboy> what about muine?
[01:32] <Panzerboy> :D
[01:33] <Panzerboy> never used it though :)
[01:33] <Panzerboy> but from the screenshots, looks cool
[01:33] <thoreauputic> drasko: it helps if you poit it specifically at your /media/cdrom1 or whatever yours is
[01:33] <thoreauputic> *point
[01:33] <edulix> the best one is amarok ! :P
[01:33] <Panzerboy> edulix: you're right, but you need kde for that one :P
[01:33] <thoreauputic> amarok is indeed excellent
[01:34] <Panzerboy> however, i might add kdelibs and kdebase
[01:34] <Panzerboy> just for k3b
[01:34] <Panzerboy> then maybe i'll install amarok
[01:34] <Panzerboy> for the moment, i need to recompile the kernel
[01:34] <Panzerboy> that's my only hope to be _able_ to play mp3's
[01:34] <Panzerboy> so the player is my last worry for the moment :)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> what package is amarok in? It doesn't have a separate listing
[01:35] <Lathiat> Panzerboy: what does the kernel have to do with mp3s?
[01:35] <Lathiat> thoreauputic: yes it does, its in the universe archive
[01:35] <Panzerboy> Lathiat: well, let me put it this way
[01:35] <Panzerboy> Lathiat: my mp3's are on a dynamic disk
[01:35] <Panzerboy> so i need to compile LDM support in the kernel
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: I have universe enabled in Warty - no amarok
[01:35] <Lathiat> thoreauputic: perhaps its only in hoary then
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: hoary only?
[01:35] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: maybe it's in multiverse
[01:35] <thoreauputic> yep
[01:36] <mxreader> can anyone here tell me how to install some children's games?  I found a site that has a package called gcompris but I have no clue how to install it.
[01:36] <Lathiat> Panzerboy: its not
[01:36] <Lathiat> root@archer:/home/lathiat # apt-cache show amarok
[01:36] <Lathiat> Package: amarok
[01:36] <Lathiat> Priority: optional
[01:36] <Lathiat> Section: universe/kde
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: not in warty
[01:36] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: ok
[01:36] <Panzerboy> Lathiat: what it's not, amarok ?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> that's cool - rhythmbox is fine for me
[01:36] <Lathiat> mxreader: gcompris is actually included in the ubuntu archives
[01:36] <Lathiat> mxreader: if you run the synaptic package manager you should be able to install it
[01:37] <mxreader> lathiat i looked in synaptic but cant see it there
[01:37] <Lathiat> mxreader: you may need to enable the universe repository first if you have not
[01:37] <Lathiat> mxreader: www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/ has instructions on how to do that
[01:37] <mxreader> ok i'll go and check it out thanks
[01:38] <drasko> thoreauputic, there is option in add to play list to add CD, but it says: No CD inserted, or inserted CD is not an audio CD.
[01:38] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: lol
[01:39] <thoreauputic> drasko: check in prefs where the CD plugin is pointing
[01:39] <thoreauputic> drasko: I had to correct it from /mnt/cdrom to /medi/cdrom2 or somehing
[01:40] <thoreauputic> */media/
[01:40] <p-fox> does ubuntu support the P4 hyperthreading as an SMP machine?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> drasko: the audioo prefs are under the CD audio plugin
[01:41] <thoreauputic> highlight that and config the preafs for it
[01:42] <thoreauputic> s/preafs/prefs
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Transparency and Drop Shadows are cool looking :D
[01:42] <tolstoy_> if anyone cares: gnome-theme-thumbnailer segfaults if you have nvidia with RenderExcel and in xorg.conf: composite enabled.
[01:43] <mjr> p-fox, it should work on an smp kernel
[01:43] <p-fox> mjr, when i boot the smp kernel, /proc/cpuinfo only shows one cpu though.
[01:44] <kirkt> p-fox you're just greedyu
[01:44] <kirkt> 1 cpu is enough :)
[01:44] <mjr> p-fox, righto, then it isn't working for some reason
[01:45] <p-fox> kirkt, haha. but when i had 2 cpu's in fedora, i could rip a cd in half the time
[01:45] <kirkt> really?
[01:45] <p-fox> because grip would use them both
[01:45] <kirkt> now thats cool
[01:45] <kirkt> then why did yuo leave fedora
[01:45] <p-fox> kirkt, yeah, it would rip with one cpu, and encode with the other
[01:46] <p-fox> kirkt, i want both my machines to have the same os. and i prefered ubuntu over fedora.
[01:46] <kirkt> why?
[01:46] <drasko> thoreauputic, Yes..I've found it all.. works ok now... Thanks for all your patience!
[01:46] <mjr> p-fox, might be an acpi problem, I think hyperthreading virtual cpus are discovered through it
[01:46] <mjr> you don't have it disabled, do you? :)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> drasko: great - happy listening :)
[01:46] <p-fox> kirkt, apt runs better on it. the config tools work better. the iso is only 1 cd. the release turn around is quicker. etc etc etc
[01:47] <kirkt> doesnt fedora use rpm?
[01:47] <p-fox> mjr, ok i'll mess around with it
[01:47] <p-fox> kirkt, yeah it does. you can get apt4rpm
[01:47] <kirkt> i see
[01:48] <kirkt> well if to go for rpm i'd go for suse
[01:48] <mjr> p-fox, basically check the kernel options from grub's menu.lst
[01:49] <LinuxJones> Gnome themes are a little wonky in Hoary ?
[01:49] <p-fox> mjr, i've been booting with acpi=noirq, because i cant get past the hotplug process otherwise. but hoary from yesterday booted without it. so i'll have another try in a min
[01:49] <kirkt> whats 'wonky'
[01:49] <LinuxJones> kirkt, messed up
[01:50] <anTiX> hm I think it was a bit tricky to play radioABF for example using Rhythmbox..
[01:52] <anTiX> from their homepage they just got links to m3u/ram/wax and I would need pls?
[01:52] <brk3> lately when i try to run any game powered by sdl i get this: Unable to initialize SDL (No available video device). Anyone know why..?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> anTiX: AFAIK rhythmbox will play m3u with gstreamer0.8-mad installed ( it  does here)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> mp3 streams work fine
[01:54] <thoreauputic> ram needs realplay or helix player
[01:55] <WillCooke> Hi!  Can someone tell me if the kernel source package "linux-source-2.6.10" in Hoary is kernel version 2.6.10-1 2.6.10-2 or 2.6.10-3
[01:56] <aplsin> what program du i have to install to take screengrabs in gnome?
[01:56] <mjr> aplsin, nothing, it's in the computer menu
[01:56] <thoreauputic> WillCooke: in a terminal,  apt-cache search linux-source should tell you
[01:57] <thoreauputic> aplsin: you don't - it's installed by default
[01:57] <aplsin> mjr: aaaah! when i used gentoo i just had to press "print screen" in gnome, but i guess thats just a matter of setting the keybinding :)
[01:58] <kirkt> hotkeys
[01:58] <mjr> aplsin, somehow the print screen button seems a bit tricky for hotkeys, it doesn't seem to reliably work on all systems. Dunno why.
[01:58] <mjr> maybe some weird keymap thing
[01:58] <thoreauputic> mjr: yes, mine doesn't work
[01:59] <aplsin> mjg: aaah..
[01:59] <thoreauputic> mjr: but I just do  ` import -window root screenshot.png ` :)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> that command needs imagemagick installed, though
[02:00] <aplsin> mjr: well i use kind of a special keymap, svorak, a Swedish version of dvorak that isn't in Xorg or XFree by default :)
[02:00] <mjr> righto
[02:00] <thoreauputic> aplsin: ah - sounds tricky to set up?
[02:01] <p-fox> is anyone running hoary noticing crackly audio? i upgraded yesterday and it was previously fine
[02:01] <mjr> the weird thing is, when I try to set the hotkey and press "print screen", it registers it just fine; it just doesn't work as a hotkey
[02:01] <mjr> hmm, I wonder have I ever actually reported that
[02:01] <thoreauputic> mjr: I'm in fluxbox at the moment, so I can set any keys I wish in ~/,fluxbox/keys
[02:01] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:02] <anTiX> thoreauputic, sorry must have forgotten http:// because now it works with m3u!
[02:02] <brk3> lately when i try to run any game powered by sdl i get this: Unable to initialize SDL (No available video device). Anyone know why..?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> mjr: I had the same thing exactly
[02:02] <thoreauputic> anTiX: :)
[02:03] <aplsin> thoreauputic: its a matter of replacing /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/se with a patched version, but i wish XFree was more modular so you could just put unofficial keymaps in a special dir somewhere without changing any of the official keymaps
[02:03] <thoreauputic> aplsin: maybe xorg will rationalise things a bit soon ...
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:04] <aplsin> thoreauputic: now i have to load the keymap with "setxkbmap se -variant svorak" because gnomes keymap changer seems to not have proper support for variants
[02:04] <thoreauputic> aplsin: they seem to be moving in good directions
[02:04] <aplsin> thoreauputic: yeah they do
[02:04] <mjr> nice
[02:06] <Torakiky> re
[02:06] <elTigre> hi! are there developer packages on ubuntu?
[02:06] <thoreauputic> elTigre: yes
[02:07] <thoreauputic> suffix dev
[02:07] <elTigre> well I think about migrating from gentoo... just for a change
[02:07] <thoreauputic> enable universe and multiverse if you do
[02:07] <elTigre> aha
[02:07] <thoreauputic> more repos that way
[02:07] <elTigre> and I also think about trying out the new gnome
[02:08] <christor> Hello, I have a problem if printer under gnome ( I can print from openoffice, I can print form a term using lpr file, but I cant print from mozilaa?
[02:10] <olli__> Hi, is there a way to configure flash under firefox to use esd as sound output? Flash movies are mute at my ubuntu hoary...
[02:10] <no0tic> hi
[02:11] <no0tic> In hoary there's a problem in metacity or nautilus, probably; when I launch Nautilus it appears under the active window
[02:18] <viper12> morning all
[02:18] <kreiger> FUn fun
[02:18] <viper12> does anyone know if NFS has issues with array 5 hoary?
[02:18] <kreiger> i can't boot back into windows
[02:20] <thoreauputic> viper12: check /etc/default/portmap and see if it's enabled to listen beyond 127.0.0.1
[02:20] <thoreauputic> viper12: weird obscure default... on warty I had to comment a line in there
[02:21] <viper12> what's strange is I've already done all that.......mounted a network drive on the client...........(whichi is array5), worked perfect...........until the client was rebooted.  then back to rpc errors again. sigh.
[02:21] <thoreauputic> viper12: I don't know if that's your problem though
[02:21] <anTiX> how do I add an application to the Applications menu?
[02:21] <viper12> I'll double check that on the client though.
[02:22] <thoreauputic> anTiX: on warty, nautilus applications:/// and make a laucher
[02:22] <thoreauputic> on hoary I fon't know
[02:22] <thoreauputic> *don't
[02:22] <usual> that wont work in hoary
[02:22] <thoreauputic> usual: I thought not :/
[02:23] <thoreauputic> I guess you have to use gconf or something equally idiotic?
[02:23] <usual> I am not sure but installing the menu package might add other apps to menu
[02:25] <thoreauputic> the general idea seems to be to make adding to the menu as difficult as humanly possible...
[02:25] <ekko__> hi
[02:25] <usual> using a diff window manager like openbox witht he menu package installed may give you all system installed apps
[02:25] <Akrame> hi ekko__
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> like ?
[02:25] <ekko__> i'm having trouble compiling hostap-source
[02:26] <thoreauputic> usual: I'm already using fluxbox
[02:26] <ekko__> i'm not used to this debian-like kernel compiling
[02:26] <usual> then you have menus of all sys apps
[02:26] <ekko__> they say i need the full source to compile it
[02:26] <ekko__> kernel source ( i'm using 2.6.10 )
[02:27] <anTiX> thoreauputic, thanks! :)
[02:27] <ekko__> i do apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[02:27] <ekko__> then it installs
[02:27] <thoreauputic> anTiX: no worries :)
[02:27] <ekko__> then, after i unpack it
[02:27] <usual> the entire feel of gnome gets much faster when you get rid of metacity
[02:27] <ekko__> i copy my /boot/config* file to /usr/src/linux/.config
[02:28] <ekko__> i try to build the modules
[02:28] <ekko__> but there's files like linux/version.h
[02:28] <ekko__> missing
[02:28] <ekko__> i can't understand
[02:28] <viper12> wel well well.  under etc/default..............the f'in portmap file isn't........there anymore.  wtf???
[02:28] <Akrame> what the fuck ?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> viper12: oops - well maybe the block was removed? I don't know why it was there in the first place, really...
[02:30] <thoreauputic> security I guess
[02:30] <viper12> it was there........before a normal shutdown/restart of the machine...and the 127.0.0.1 was commented out.....
[02:30] <viper12> sigh
[02:30] <thoreauputic> it disappeared? weird... :(
[02:31] <viper12> this is the point (after several hours of futzin') when I begin to drool over a certain washington operating system's addding of network drives.  Isn't there a gui for nfs????  I feel so 1985 right now.
[02:31] <viper12> between this and that p.o.s. cups I'm about ready to scream.
[02:31] <thoreauputic> viper12: nfs is - umm - quirky
[02:32] <viper12> any alternative suggestions for mapping one linux's drive to another linux machine inside a lan?  I'm tired and really really tweaked off at this point.
[02:32] <LinuxJones> viper12, did you look @ the nfs howto ?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> viper12: a lot of people seemto use samba now regardless of whether they have windows boxen
[02:33] <viper12> LinuxJ, that's what I used to make SURE I wasn't missing any steps or forgetting anything..........like I said, prior to a NORMAL reboot of the client, it was working perfectly.
[02:33] <viper12> thoreau........just use samba linux-linux box?
[02:33] <viper12> hmmm.
[02:33] <thoreauputic> viper12: I haven't done it but many do, I gather
[02:34] <thoreauputic> I don't se why not
[02:34] <thoreauputic> *see
[02:34] <LinuxJones> viper12, samba is a protocol linux has the server and client utils included
[02:34] <vi11e> do you hear sounds in this clip: http://www.cnufos.com/pages/videos/august11.wmv   I wonder why some audio doesjn't work, for example in this clip
[02:34] <viper12> I know, I know........its just..............after getting it all rockin'.......and then a simple reboot frags the thing on the client.............bah.
[02:34] <viper12> lol
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a gnome based povray gui ?
[02:35] <kirkt> everyone: im happy to announce i've resolved the base system file install/non cdrom detection in hoary and warthy
[02:36] <viper12> I can rpcinfo from the client to the server...ping the server....and vs. vs.  and its all talking.......ahh well, I'm gonna chalk this up to hoary, and try samba next.  I'm about command lined' out.
[02:36] <kirkt> this appeared to be an issue with VMWare 4.0.5, and everything works with 4.5.2
[02:36] <Aegir> Well, no luck installing ATI's new drivers. Guess I'll have to wait for a Hoary package of it
[02:36] <fsc> Aegir, oh really...
[02:36] <fsc> Aegir, did you reuild it for your kernel
[02:36] <Aegir> Well, that was my experiance
[02:37] <Aegir> I did about three different methods
[02:37] <Aegir> I'll wait till an proper Hoary package comes around
[02:37] <fsc> yeah, i'm waiting too
[02:37] <fsc> i doubt this new driver does any thing exceptional anyway
[02:38] <fsc> anybody tried out E17-cvs?
[02:38] <Aegir> So far everyone who has gotten it working has had much more stability and a roughly 33% increase in speed with glxgears and fgl_glxgears
[02:38] <no0tic> Aegir: they exist
[02:38] <Aegir> They do?
[02:38] <viper12> thorea/linuxjones, ty for the moral support at least...........I've just gone over the allow/deny/exports/ and such on the server (which is still running), and its all as it should be.  the portmapper missing on the client (which has full nfs on it as well) is probably the problem here.
[02:38] <no0tic> Aegir: in hoary yes
[02:38] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a gnome based povray gui ?
[02:38] <fsc> 33%?
[02:39] <fsc> that ain't bad
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> no0tic: what exists ?
[02:39] <fsc> i'll still wait
[02:39] <LinuxJones> viper12, heh GL with that :)
[02:39] <no0tic> da_bon_bon: ati fglrx new drivers for xorg in haory
[02:39] <Aegir> The very latest ones? 10.19 somthing?
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> yes.
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> latest.
[02:39] <Aegir> Groovey
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> hoary rocks!
[02:40] <viper12> sigh.  I know red-hat has an NFS gui.........is there anything comparable on our side of the fence, or is our "user-friendly" ubuntu sticking us with arcane command lines ??
[02:40] <Aegir> I should do an apt-get update then
[02:40] <fsc> when did the new ati fglrx drivers get into xorg hoary?
[02:40] <fsc> today?
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> no.
[02:40] <no0tic> fsc: the exact day they were released...
[02:40] <Aegir> Well, I just reformatted and installed the latest drivers today
[02:41] <fsc> what version is it?
[02:41] <Aegir> Gimme a sec, I'll check
[02:41] <no0tic> Aegir: xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:41] <Aegir> 8.8.25
[02:42] <Aegir> Latest is 8.20.19
[02:42] <Aegir> *8.10.19
[02:42] <fsc> i have 8.8.25
[02:42] <Aegir> Same
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a gnome based povray gui ?
[02:43] <no0tic> Aegir: uh, sorry, I didn't noticed
[02:43] <Aegir> I tried the various methods for installing ATI's rpm, but they all fell apart at the end
[02:43] <no0tic> Aegir: what are the changes?
[02:43] <Aegir> Speed, stability, Composite is in I think
[02:43] <fsc> Aegir, no way! they got composite in?
[02:43] <Aegir> Not sure
[02:43] <fsc> but you heard something?
[02:44] <Aegir> I think that I read it somwhere, I cold be wrong
[02:44] <fsc> hmm..
[02:44] <Aegir> What is composite anyways?
[02:44] <fsc> Aegir, transparency and shadows
[02:44] <Aegir> Ahh
[02:44] <fsc> i think
[02:44] <no0tic> Aegir: they still corrupt standby & hibernate?
[02:44] <fsc> i just tried it for the first time the other night with the radeon drivers and it was painfully slow.  the ati drivers seemed to have it disabled by default
[02:45] <Aegir> Not sure
[02:45] <rapha> Hi all
[02:45] <drasko>  how to downgrade a version of some package,  ie. php4?
[02:45] <SiRrUs> rapha hello
[02:46] <Aegir> Im going to read some forums about the new drivers on ubuntu, Ill share any results I find
[02:46] <ArdieM> ive got a lil prob with xmms:
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> shoot
[02:47] <fsc> Aegir, yeah, i think i'll do the same.
[02:47] <lcdd> ubuntu's package management tools are speaking swedish even though the locale is set to finnish. why is this?
[02:47] <SiRrUs> ArdieM and the problem would be ?
[02:47] <fsc> lcdd, torvalds?:)
[02:47] <ArdieM> when i open another window  and xmms get into background and then click on xmms(on task bar) again it only shows the playlist on top and the main windows stays background... thats really annoying, you know what i mean ?
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> yes
[02:47] <rapha> I still got no sound with the latest Hoary. The mixer shows some very unlikely things, and only the way from line in to speakers seems to work. No DSP at all.
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> it happens for me too
[02:48] <SiRrUs> set it to remain on the top
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> and it happens on all debians, ArdieM
[02:48] <rapha> Were there any significant changes in ALSA in Hoary during the last days?
[02:48] <lcdd> fsc: not quite :)
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> no
[02:48] <ArdieM> lol on ALL debian
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> rapha: polypaudio is used
[02:48] <ArdieM> hahahah MEGA bug ?
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> ArdieM: whats the joke in that ?
[02:49] <drasko> how to downgrade a version of some package,  ie. php4?
[02:49] <da_bon_bon> drasko: asked google ?
[02:49] <SiRrUs> ArdieM, da_bon_bon mine works fine guess I have a better version
[02:49] <drasko> da_bon_bon, yep
[02:50] <HiddenWolf> drasko: open synaptic, search for the package, and force it.
[02:50] <Get2> I need help with my WLAN card and ndiswrapper, when i run ifconfig wlan0 it's up and running, but i can't get contact with the internet, why?
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> drasko: then #ubuntu-devel
[02:50] <rapha> da_bon_bon: That can't be the problem. Even with a disabled soundserver it doesn't work. Not even "cat blah.wav > /dev/dsp" produces any sound. And yes, ALL mixer channels ARE turned up and unmuted.
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> rapha: lets go step-by-step,
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> rapha: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:51] <SiRrUs> rapha what is your sound output
[02:51] <drasko> HiddenWolf, but I have php4 installed only it is 4.3. I need 4.2 Should I uninstall it first?
[02:51] <rapha> da_bon_bon: ubuntu-desktop has just been upgraded by an apt-get dist-upgrade.
[02:52] <rapha> SiRrUs, please rephrase?
[02:52] <rapha> SiRrUs, do you mean my sound hardware?
[02:52] <HiddenWolf> drasko: you don'thave to.
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> rapha: ok.. are u /sure/ its installed ?
[02:52] <Bandit> hes asking you in XMMS under options preferences what does the sound out put say
[02:53] <ArdieM> sirr: could you tell me how to get thatt ver with apt ?
[02:53] <rapha> da_bon_bon: Yes, version 0.32 of ubuntu-desktop is installed. (This is also a pretty fresh installation of hoary directly off one of the nightly built CD images, it has no additional repositories enabled)
[02:53] <Bandit> SiRrUs dont worry about it no-one wants any help today
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> rapha: ok.
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> rapha: wait a sec.
[02:53] <Aegir> Im gonna try the drivers again witha  different method, wish me luck
[02:53] <rapha> Yup. Am waitin' :-)
[02:54] <SiRrUs> Bandit :) rapha AS Bandit just explained
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> rapha: in mulimedia systems selector, select esd for both sink and inpur
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> *t
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> rapha: then, go here : http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[02:55] <rapha> SiRrUs, Bandit: well, I don't use XMMS. But I tried all settings for a GStreamer source. Neither produced any audible test output.
[02:55] <Rocha> The "Networking" application belongs to Gnome or Ubuntu?
[02:55] <rapha> da_bon_bon, second...
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> Rocha: i dunno, but the same tool is present in fedora too.
[02:56] <lcdd> drasko: install the new package normally
[02:56] <Rocha> da_bon_bon, maybe it's Gnome then.
[02:56] <Rocha> da_bon_bon, it doesn't work with a modem, i had to connect by hand
[02:58] <rapha> da_bon_bon: Okay, this helped to make the test ouput function in the multimedia systems selector _look_ like it worked, but there is no _audible_ output. Not even cat'ing a file to /dev/dsp produces any of that.
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> rapha: cating a file cant ever work
[02:58] <Lathiat> rapha: check the mixer
[02:59] <rapha> da_bon_bon, It has worked ever since I started using Linux in 1996
[02:59] <kreiger> ANybody know how i can increase my screen res?
[02:59] <kreiger> i KNOW I can go above 1028/7689
[02:59] <kreiger> 768
[02:59] <kreiger> but it's not letting me in gnome's screen res
[03:00] <Lathiat> Catting files works, just doesnt actually produce any usefull sound, but its fine for testing, for example i often cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to test sound
[03:00] <HiddenWolf> kreiger: add the resolutions to your /ect/x11/xfree86.conf
[03:00] <kreiger> I love you
[03:00] <hector_> i need some help
[03:00] <HiddenWolf> kreiger: beware tho, if you make a typo in the file, next time you start your pc, X won't come up.
[03:01] <hector_> ubuntu on an ibook with no internal cd drive
[03:01] <hector_> just a firewire cd burner
[03:01] <hector_> i cant get it to boot from the cd
[03:01] <kreiger> Well, i tried etc/x11/x11/xfree86.conf in terminal and i got a blank screen
[03:01] <kreiger> lemme find it manually] 
[03:02] <hector_> if i copy the stuff onto a HD partition can i boot off it and intall from that?
[03:02] <HiddenWolf> kreiger: sudo nano /etc/X11/XFree86.conf
[03:02] <kreiger> blank text file
[03:02] <hector_> ???
[03:02] <aplsin> is there i way to make global hotkeys for rhythmbox?
[03:02] <Lathiat> kreiger: are you running hoary?
[03:02] <kreiger> no.
[03:02] <kreiger> warty
[03:02] <aplsin> i way => a way
[03:03] <hector_> why not?
[03:03] <hector_> and why cant i boot from an external drive i can boot an os x disk
[03:03] <Lathiat> you want
[03:03] <Lathiat> .. /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:03] <ArdieM> i have to press 4 time on that button located on the up left(under ESC) to do this ^^ <-- 4 times !!! normally its 2, how to change that ?
[03:03] <Lathiat> dont know where HiddenWolf got XFree86.conf from
[03:03] <kreiger> me either
[03:03] <LinuxJones> aplsin, keyboard shortcuts
[03:04] <hector_> why dose no one respond to me?
[03:04] <Lathiat> ArdieM: perhaps your keyboard layout is set incorrectly?
[03:04] <ArdieM> im using a german keyboard
[03:04] <ArdieM> where can i change the settings
[03:04] <LinuxJones> hector_, nobody has a direct answer for you
[03:04] <ArdieM> in xconfig ?
[03:04] <hector_> oh ok
[03:04] <aplsin> LinuxJones: well it dont work to bind pause to the pause-key, ill try some other key
[03:04] <LinuxJones> hector_, someone was on here the other day with the same problem
[03:04] <kreiger> mm
[03:04] <kreiger> ok
[03:05] <rapha> Lathiat: like I previously said, all sources are turned up, but the sources that are shown are erratic, for example there is no main volume shown
[03:05] <kreiger> Anybody know how to change the driver my monitor is set to?
[03:05] <Lathiat> rapha: try running alsamixer rather than the gnome mixer and see if its any different
[03:05] <kreiger> right now it's "Generic monitor"
[03:05] <Lathiat> rapha: also try changing the mixer device, perhaps you have the one one
[03:05] <Lathiat> kreiger: monitors dont generally have drivers
[03:05] <Lathiat> kreiger: what are you tryign to acheive
[03:05] <rapha> Lathiat: neither the OSS nor the ALSA mixer device do anything useful
[03:05] <kreiger> Well, i know that in mandrake i could pick my monitor out of a list
[03:05] <Lathiat> rapha: is this a desktop or laptop system?
[03:06] <aplsin> LinuxJones: i can bind a key to "mute" and that works, but i cant bind it to pause :/
[03:06] <rapha> Lathiat: desktop
[03:06] <rapha> Lathiat: things work on my laptop.
[03:06] <Lathiat> kreiger: yes but thats not required in ubuntu, it autodetects what your monitor does
[03:06] <kreiger> Lathiat, i'm trying to increase my screen resolution past 1024 x 768
[03:06] <tito> hello, i connect USB device Kingston USB 512 to Ubuntu (with archives windows(fat16)) and y can't read please help
[03:06] <Lathiat> kreiger: open XF86Config-4, scroll down the bottom
[03:06] <Lathiat> kreiger: theres a list of resolutions
[03:06] <Lathiat> put whatever you want in there
[03:06] <Lathiat> need to find the right bit-depth section to do it in
[03:06] <LinuxJones> aplsin, that's odd
[03:07] <kreiger> I did.
[03:07] <Lathiat> rapha: ah ok was gonna say because i need to tick the 'external amplifier' switch to get my laptop speakers to produce sound
[03:07] <kreiger> it maxes out at 1024
[03:07] <Lathiat> kreiger: then restart X
[03:07] <Lathiat> kreiger: you may also need to change your HorizSync/VertRefresh
[03:07] <Lathiat> im not sure what you need to set them to
[03:07] <Lathiat> google might know if you search for your model
[03:07] <rapha> Lathiat: I'm pretty sure this is no standard problem here...
[03:07] <hnatek> hi everybody - greetings from Poland:-)
[03:07] <Lathiat> rapha: just a thought
[03:07] <aplsin> LinuxJones: yes it is
[03:07] <rapha> And I guess it is at the driver level
[03:08] <Lathiat> rapha: what chipset?
[03:08] <tito> please help with usb device Kingston 512mb
[03:08] <Aegir> Rawr! It installed!
[03:09] <Symbiote> hi all, im new to ubuntu and linux itself and i had a problem installing nvidia drivers for my graphics card it said that the kernel was unrecognized and that it will try to compile with the source but it didnt find it. so the question is where can i get the source
[03:09] <Aegir> Now I have 1700fps in glxgears (As apposed 1100) and 300 in fgl_glxgears (Apposed to 150 odd)
[03:10] <rapha> Lathiat: the driver used is snd_via82cxxx
[03:10] <tito> help with usb storage 512mb kingston
[03:10] <kirkt> hey how big is the ubuntu install on HDD, and how can i make it fit a 1.3Gb space ?
[03:10] <rapha> Lathiat: and sound works using a Ubuntu Warty Live CD
[03:10] <Lathiat> Aegir: glxgears is not a benchmark rapha whack
[03:10] <Lathiat> that didnt work so well
[03:10] <rapha> whack?
[03:11] <Lathiat> whack as in weird
[03:11] <rapha> :-)
[03:11] <rapha> Indeed.
[03:11] <Aegir> I know its not a benchmark, but it is still an improvement over what I used to get, I intend on testing with a game under wine shortly
[03:12] <Aegir> But heres the instructions to get the 8.10.19 drivers going anyway: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-13226.html
[03:12] <Aegir> Now, off to get the loki installer script for Jedi Academy
[03:14] <lcdd> okay, i figured out the finnish-swedish mixup. /etc/environment mistakenly included "sv" in the LANGUAGE variable
[03:14] <kirkt> hey how big is the ubuntu install on HDD, and how can i make it fit a 1.3Gb space ?
[03:14] <Torakiky> someone has never had a problem with encrypted dvd?
[03:15] <Xappe> kirkt. well, with the full gnome desktop, maybe around 2 or 2,5 GB I think
[03:15] <Torakiky> someone has never had a problem with encrypted dvd?
[03:15] <kirkt> oh boy..
[03:15] <fsc> Aegir, you got the new fglrx working - what version?
[03:15] <kirkt> im already running the install
[03:16] <kirkt> anything i can do right now to make it not fill up the partition and choke?
[03:16] <Aegir> fsc, Latest
[03:16] <kirkt> i dont need openoffice... or gimp and such
[03:16] <Aegir> Heres the link to the instuctions: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-13226.html
[03:16] <lcdd> kirkt: i think the expert installation mode let you choose what to install
[03:16] <kirkt> lcdd but im already on an install... right now it copies the packages
[03:16] <kirkt> what can i do ?
[03:16] <Xappe> kirkt, to remove packages at installation time, use expert mode...
[03:17] <kirkt> ARGH...
[03:17] <kreiger> mm
[03:17] <Xappe> kirkt, well, let it finish and see what you end up with :)
[03:17] <kreiger> if i fuck up xfree86 config, how do i fix it?
[03:17] <pagefault> run xf86config again
[03:17] <Aegir> By restoring a backup
[03:17] <Aegir> Or that
[03:18] <kirkt> right now i'm in the "timezone" setup... does it mean i passed ?
[03:18] <kreiger> Also, can i manually add resolutions? or will that break it?
[03:18] <Aegir> Never has for me
[03:18] <cisei> how to get rid of the brown full screen which is behind the splash image after Gnome login?
[03:18] <kreiger> Aegir, you added res?
[03:18] <Symbiote> you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:18] <Symbiote> so how can i get ubuntus source :/
[03:18] <Aegir> kreiger, I've done plenty of res changes in the configs
[03:19] <pagefault> cisei, System | Preferences | Desktop Background
[03:19] <cisei> Symbiote: is that dangerous?
[03:19] <kreiger> Aegir, well, my screen res won't bump past 1024 x768
[03:19] <kreiger> and windows used to be at 1280 x 1024 with no problems
[03:19] <Symbiote> cisei, no you just run it
[03:19] <Symbiote> ah ait
[03:19] <Symbiote> wait
[03:19] <kreiger> and i'd like to go that high
[03:19] <Symbiote> i said that to kreiger
[03:19] <Aegir> Then change it in the config
[03:20] <Symbiote> its for the x86config
[03:20] <kreiger> which depth?
[03:20] <kreiger> all of them?
[03:22] <cisei> Symbiote: it is asking too many things I am not sure about.
[03:22] <cisei> I can change the GDM splash screen easily, why not the brown that is behind the splash screen?
[03:23] <Symbiote> cisei i said it wasnt meant for you
[03:23] <Symbiote> i was answering someone elses quest
[03:23] <cisei> Opps sorry
[03:23] <Symbiote> np :] 
[03:23] <cisei> I meant: Ooops, sorry
[03:23] <Symbiote> so who can answer my quest
[03:23] <Symbiote> where can i get the source
[03:23] <Symbiote> in apt-get it only has older versions
[03:23] <jono> when I installed ubuntu on my powerbook a while back, I needed to set some options in /proc to map the F10 or F11 key to a right mouse button event, I can't remember how to do this, how do I do it?
[03:24] <anTiX> anybody using Virtual-Exim? is the project alive?
[03:24] <jdub> jono: /etc/sysctl.conf
[03:24] <selinium_> Hi all, how can i get to view my old mpgs? I have installed the w32 codecs but it hasn't improved anything
[03:25] <CarlK> I pluged in a  Atmel AT76c50x, dmesg shows 3 lines of init stuff - what do I run to bring it up?
[03:25] <selinium_> Would it be better to use a xine based program then the totem one?
[03:26] <jono> jdub, thanks, what is the keycode for F10?
[03:26] <Get2> How do I set up a wireless networkcard with dhcp in /etcnetwork/interfaces?
[03:29] <cisei> selinium: apt-get install totem-xine
[03:30] <tritium> Hey there.  What's up da_bon_bon?
[03:30] <da_bon_bon> tritium: hi, noticed panel updates ?
[03:31] <tritium> da_bon_bon, no, let me upgrade.  I just woke up
[03:31] <ekko__> could someone help? i need to compile a kernel module, what are the steps i should follow in debian-like kernel compiling?
[03:31] <tritium> da_bon_bon, or is something wrong?
[03:31] <da_bon_bon> tritium: this time, they are reall due to me,... last time they were not. :)
[03:32] <tritium> da_bon_bon, oh, okay.   So no problems?
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> tritium: need to run. catch u later
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> no problem, tritium
[03:32] <tritium> da_bon_bon, see you
[03:32] <ekko__> please.. help
[03:35] <abusado> ei how to install Compiler in UBUNTU?
[03:35] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install gcc
[03:36] <tritium> abusado, easiest way: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:36] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install automake autoconf
[03:36] <wezzer> or what tritium said
[03:36] <tritium> ekko__, what's up?
[03:37] <ArdieM> is there any filesharing tool avaible via apt ?
[03:37] <abusado> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[03:37] <abusado>  <<--- ??
[03:37] <tritium> hi wezzer :)
[03:37] <tritium> abusado, did you use sudo?  Or, is synaptic running right now?
[03:37] <abusado> synaptic is running
[03:37] <tritium> abusado, close it
[03:37] <afonit> if anyone is on hoary, when you update in synaptic, did you notice that instead of having ubuntu logo next to the packages, there is a debian logo?
[03:37] <abusado> ok ill try it when synaptic is finish installing wine
[03:37] <selinium_> cisei: I tried to install totem-xine but i tries uninstall totem-gstreamer
[03:38] <selinium_> cisei: is that ok?
[03:38] <tritium> abusado, or, you can use synaptic to install build-essential
[03:38] <abusado> how to install it in synaptic tritium?
[03:39] <tritium> abusado, same as how you're installing wine right now
[03:39] <Ainvar> afonit, it is the new version of synaptic
[03:39] <Ainvar> that is all, there was a thread about it on the forums
[03:39] <tritium> abusado, it's in the "Development" section
[03:40] <afonit> ainvar, sorry I did not see it in the forums
[03:40] <afonit> shocking though
[03:40] <Ainvar> no worries
[03:40] <afonit> yes, ha
[03:40] <Ainvar> I did not know if you wanted more info or anything
[03:40] <abusado> how about a webserver????? how can i install it?
[03:40] <afonit> do you have the link?
[03:41] <Ainvar> ummm let me look, if I remember it was in the beta forum
[03:41] <ArdieM> is there any filesharing tool avaible via apt ?
[03:42] <GPRIME666> how do I install OpenQuicktime? I have downloaded the <name>.tgz file. What do i do from there
[03:42] <joskulj> does anyone uses eclipse under ubuntu?
[03:42] <GPRIME666> ArdieM, apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[03:42] <tritium> abusado, you, you might try apache2
[03:42] <searcher`> joskulj: i do
[03:43] <GPRIME666> ArdieM, it's very good one
[03:43] <joskulj> searcher: I've a problem
[03:43] <ArdieM> grphical ?
[03:43] <joskulj> all buttons are too small
[03:43] <GPRIME666> i use gtk-gnutella to download
[03:43] <joskulj> you can hardly read them
[03:43] <GPRIME666> works the best through my router
[03:43] <searcher`> joskulj: the text runs off the button?
[03:43] <ArdieM> prime: is it graphical ?
[03:44] <psykon> hi
[03:44] <ArdieM> gprime: is it graphical ?
[03:44] <GPRIME666> ArdieM, no it is not
[03:44] <GPRIME666> that I know of
[03:44] <ArdieM> GPRIME666: test
[03:44] <searcher`> joskulj: i think you can change the font size, or run at a high resolution
[03:44] <ArdieM> lol
[03:44] <joskulj> actually the height doesn't fit
[03:44] <searcher`> joskulj: i think it's related to the Industrial gtk theme ... if you're still using that
[03:44] <GPRIME666> ArdieM, It is not, I use it all the time
[03:44] <psykon> im using hoary amd64 and when i try to run enemy territory, i get this: ...loading libGL.so.1: Received signal 11, exiting...
[03:45] <GPRIME666> how do I install OpenQuicktime? I have downloaded the <name>.tgz file. What do i do from there
[03:45] <psykon> i think it is because it is using 64bit libGL
[03:45] <searcher`> joskulj: i run at 1600x1200, so it's allright then
[03:45] <psykon> does someone know how to solve this?
[03:45] <joskulj> searcher: which fontsize? Gnome settings? (sorry, I'm new to Gnome/Ubuntu)
[03:45] <searcher`> anything below and it doesn't fit
[03:45] <searcher`> joskulj: in eclipse
[03:45] <searcher`> in the configuration there a spot where you can change the font
[03:45] <ekko__> tritium, i need to compile a kernel module, what are the steps i should follow in debian-like kernel compiling?
[03:46] <joskulj> searcher: can you even change the font for the buttons in eclipse?
[03:46] <tritium> ekko__, you need to install kernel-package
[03:46] <searcher`> joskulj: that's what i did before this monitor :-)
[03:47] <_d4vid> hi all
[03:47] <tritium> ekko__, then, read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/kernel-packge for the steps to follow
[03:47] <ekko__> tritium: i did
[03:47] <searcher`> joskulj: otherwise you could try in gnome, run at a different DPI ... but i never tried that
[03:47] <searcher`> joskulj: and that changes all the fonts in all the other apps as well
[03:47] <tritium> ekko__, did you run make-kpkg?
[03:48] <searcher`> joskulj: look in Window->Preferences
[03:48] <tritium> ekko__, if you're still having trouble later, let me know.  I'll be back later.
[03:48] <joskulj> searcher: I've tried to change to gnome settings. that didn't work
[03:48] <searcher`> joskulj: that's in Eclipse
[03:49] <abusado> ei how to install PHP?
[03:49] <abusado> Help -  how to install PHP?
[03:50] <psykon> im using hoary amd64 and when i try to run enemy territory, i get this: ...loading libGL.so.1: Received signal 11, exiting... , Hey ppl?
[03:51] <afonit> don't know
[03:52] <joskulj> searcher: thanks. I just found out how to change the 'Dialog Font'. That may help me
[03:52] <kirkt> is the base system including openoffice ?
[03:53] <abusado> ei how to get php4?
[03:54] <jbailey> kirkt: Desktop does.  "base" has a specific meaning in Ubuntu, and it doesn't include any of gnome.
[03:54] <HiddenWolf> abusado: apt-get it
[03:54] <abusado> how hidden wolf?
[03:54] <joskulj> obviously even smaller fonts don't work
[03:54] <HiddenWolf> abusado: enable universe, then search for php in synaptic
[03:55] <abusado> E: Couldn't find package php4 <---???
[03:55] <abusado> 
[03:55] <Echylo> abusado, run a terminal, and typ sudo apt-get install php4
[03:55] <Echylo> en enable universe in synaptic package manager, repisotories or something like that :p
[03:55] <Echylo> can't spell it
[03:55] <jbailey> Echylo: I think the package is now called libapache2-mod-php4
[03:55] <Echylo> for apache2
[03:55] <abusado> i sudo apt-get it but here is the error E: Couldn't find package php4 <---???
[03:55] <jbailey> Sure, does anyone run apache1 anymore?
[03:55] <lizdeika> i wonder why EoG is default for image viewing. It knows nothing about animated gifs :)
[03:56] <unifi> hi has anyone had issues with the ubuntu installation crapping out at setting up xserver-xreee86?
[03:56] <Echylo> I do :p
[03:56] <Echylo> or did
[03:56] <Echylo> until yesterday
[03:56] <jbailey> apache1's in universe.  Not a good idea to run it on Ubuntu, it won't get security updates.
[03:56] <ArdieM> how can i mount my sd card reader ?
[03:56] <unifi> I am using 4.10
[03:57] <unifi> warty
[03:58] <unifi> I have scoured the web to try to understand what the problem could be and no dice
[03:59] <unifi> can anyone help a newbie?
[04:00] <diepes> Hi, is there a newer installation than Warty available ?
[04:00] <poningru> what kind of computer do you have unifi?
[04:01] <poningru> or not
[04:01] <unifi> its a shuttle box
[04:02] <edulix> hi !
[04:03] <AndyFitz> hi edulix
[04:03] <edulix> I'm trying to view divx in a ppc
[04:03] <edulix> I've added deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/" to my sources.list and done an apt-get update
[04:03] <AndyFitz> edulix,  you should be able to with xine.  mplayer doesnt work on ppc  to my memory
[04:04] <unifi> it just freezes
[04:04] <edulix> ?
[04:04] <unifi> I have  been trying to install the thing for 2 days now
[04:04] <edulix> so that debs are for what?
[04:04] <unifi> I had mepis on the thing
[04:04] <AndyFitz> i was told its very x86 specific code
[04:04] <unifi> and that installed fine
[04:04] <edulix> unifi: with that repos?
[04:04] <unifi> no repository yet
[04:05] <unifi> I am installing it right off the cd
[04:05] <unifi> that ubuntu maiks
[04:05] <unifi> mails*
[04:05] <edulix> well, in that repository there are debs for it. I saw them inhttp://ubuntuppc.webplazahosting.com/
[04:06] <edulix> unifi: did you get divx wrking with xine?
[04:06] <ArdieM> how can i mount my sd card reader ?
[04:06] <ArdieM> i mean i put in the card
[04:06] <ArdieM> and gthunb automatically showed me the pics on it
[04:06] <unifi> I cant even get it installed
[04:06] <ArdieM> but there are also videos on it... how do i get them
[04:06] <unifi> to get into the OS
[04:06] <unifi> or to get into gnome
[04:07] <edulix> unifi I get this:
[04:08] <edulix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/gGzqTn84.html
[04:08] <unifi> has anyone else attempted to install ubuntu on a shuttle box?
[04:08] <edulix> shuttle?
[04:08] <unifi> ubuntu was the only distro that I have tried that refses to isntall.
[04:09] <Jug_> is it possible to somehow disable the X starting when booting?
[04:09] <mjr> unifi, I have it running on a G5 AMD64
[04:09] <edulix> Jug_: yeah
[04:09] <Jug_> whole screen just goes black I cant do anything
[04:09] <unifi> Jug_ the challenge is that right now ubuntu is not even installed yet
[04:10] <ArdieM> damn
[04:10] <unifi> hmmm
[04:10] <Jug_> edulix: any idea how?
[04:10] <SiRrUs> unifi what is a shuttle box
[04:10] <edulix> Jug_: you can do Ctr-C to stop gdm when it says Starting GDM, perhaps?
[04:10] <HiddenWolf> edulix: shuttle is a producer of tiny pcs. Basicly desktops the size of a shoebox.
[04:10] <unifi> sirrus: its a small form factor pc
[04:10] <edulix> ah
[04:10] <Jug_> edulix: I tried but didnt help
[04:10] <unifi> mjr: your installation went smoothly?
[04:11] <unifi> I have been able to install ubuntu on a g box
[04:11] <unifi> I am now using the g4
[04:11] <mjr> unifi, pretty much, except I had to manually edit the X config because of a detection problem in XFree86 for my 9250
[04:12] <edulix> Jug_: then you can try to modify the booting line from grub
[04:12] <edulix> Jug_: add /bin/bash at the end of it and after kernel boots, you'll be prompted to a command line from root
[04:12] <ArdieM> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///home/ardiem/vids/hpim0112.mpg"
[04:12] <ArdieM> how can i fix that ?
[04:13] <ArdieM> (totem player)
[04:13] <edulix> Jug_: you can also boot a livec, mount your ubuntu partition and remove gdm from /etc/rc*.d/
[04:13] <unifi> mjr that is probably my problem
[04:13] <Jug_> edulix: okey, thx
[04:14] <unifi> mjr: I am somewhat of a newbie can you tell me how to get into the xconfig
[04:14] <unifi> because I think that is where my problem lies
[04:14] <Lathiat> Jug_: Those solutions are overcomplicated, the simplest way is to run "update-rc.d gdm remove"
[04:14] <mjr> unifi, but you said you didn't get it installed?
[04:14] <Lathiat> Jug_: (as root)
[04:14] <edulix> Jug_: do you know how to edit grub commands ?
[04:14] <unifi> the installation is hanging at "setting up xserver-xfree86
[04:15] <mjr> unifi, it's not that then
[04:15] <edulix> Lathiat: he says that he can't do nothing
[04:15] <unifi> hmm ok
[04:15] <oficina> ok, I need to nuke a partition. Wipe it off. How do I go about it?
[04:15] <oficina> I need something more powerful than format
[04:15] <Lathiat> edulix: oh, X fails on startup?
[04:15] <unifi> so that means I am pretty much screwed huh? if It cant get the thing installed?
[04:15] <edulix> Lathiat: I guess that he cannot even hit <ctrl>-<Alt>-<Fx> to go to the command line
[04:16] <j-rock> oficina: do you just want to do a secure deletion?
[04:16] <Lathiat> Jug_: if your computer is unworkable because X is messing up, simply hit escape before ubuntu boots and choose 'recovery mode', and then you can run that command
[04:16] <Lathiat> Jug_: it has a 3 second countdown for you to hit escape when it first boots
[04:16] <oficina> j-rock: the partition table on that drive is screwed. I looked everywhere, but general consensus was "backup" and start over.
[04:16] <oficina> j-rock: I already backed up.
[04:17] <oficina> j-rock: how do I nuke it? I need to wipe even the partition table, so just format won't help
[04:20] <unifi> do you think ths problem would be fixed if installed hoary?
[04:20] <jbailey> unifi: The X stuff is completely replaced in Hoary, so it's impossible to say.
[04:20] <jbailey> unifi: There's a good chance of it, though, as a result.
[04:22] <jinx_> Hey guys - I've got a problem trying to install ubuntu on my laptop.  When I put the install CD in and press enter, it goes to the language selection screen - but I can't scroll up or down or move to the next screen.  Now, I'm not sure wether it's just not working with my laptop keyboard (for some unknown reason) or wether it's just locked up.   I'm using AMD64 Warty ISO...
[04:22] <jinx_> anyone experienced anything similar?
[04:23] <oficina> jinx_: have you tried connecting a keyboard to the laptop?
[04:23] <jinx_> oficina: it only has usb keyboard ports and I have no usb keyboard :/
[04:23] <oficina> jinx_: you're jinxed then :P
[04:23] <jinx_> haw haw :P
[04:23] <edulix> jinx_: I had once a problem with the installer in my laptop
[04:24] <jinx_> same problem as mine?
[04:24] <edulix> jinx_: the problem was that if I specified the language in the boot line (instead of just pressing enter) installer would not be launched because of an error
[04:24] <edulix> but I think it's not a related problem is it?
[04:25] <jinx_> I don't get an error as far as I can tell - I just get to the language selection screen and it locks up
[04:25] <jinx_> i haven't tried specifying a language as a boot param
[04:25] <oficina> jinx_: just curious, is your laptop keyboard US?
[04:26] <Jug_> does the ubuntu setup ask the root pass? :)
[04:26] <njan> Jug_, ubuntu has no root user
[04:26] <Jug_> ?
[04:26] <njan> Jug_, sudo commandyouwanttorunasroot
[04:26] <njan> Jug_, the user you setup is setup so that they can run commands *as* root using sudo.
[04:26] <Psyche-> hello
[04:26] <Jug_> oh..
[04:26] <jinx_> no - my laptop keyboard is UK
[04:26] <Psyche-> i have some trouble with php4 under ubuntu
[04:26] <njan> Jug_, but there is no actual root user.
[04:27] <Psyche-> can someone help?
[04:27] <Jug_> can I use sudo to setup pass for root user? :)
[04:27] <jinx_> ahhh I know what the problem is
[04:27] <edulix> njan: well, there's a root user
[04:27] <edulix> just do: sudo su -
[04:28] <edulix> and then if you want to setup a password for root, execute passwd
[04:28] <Psyche-> i get an error about some non installable library
[04:28] <Psyche-> libmml3 actually
[04:29] <rapha> Is it possible to configure GDM so that you don't need a password? Whenever I remove the password for a user from /etc/passwd, that user doesn't work with GDM...
[04:29] <edulix> Psyche-: so it's a problem with apt?
[04:30] <abbas> h
[04:31] <edulix> abbas: are you having problems with php4?
[04:31] <abbas>  n just setup to a power pc ubuntu but how can  bee root
[04:31] <abbas> zhy
[04:31] <edulix> ok
[04:32] <edulix> abbas: ubuntu way of doing things is not being root
[04:32] <edulix> but you can be root by executing sudo su -
[04:33] <abbas> thanks
[04:33] <edulix> hehe everyone is asking the same
[04:34] <carthik> I have a problem with ubuntu. When I reboot, and login to my gnome desktop, the 'n', 'b', 'r' keys stop working. To fix this, I have to go to Desktop Preferences, change the "keyboard" setting to some other layout and then change back. This is really annoying (I even bought a new keyboard thinking the old one had gone bust". WHy would this be happening?
[04:34] <abbas> are you sure
[04:35] <edulix> abbas: aboutwhat?
[04:35] <abbas> sudo su -
[04:35] <edulix> rapha: see this: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/05-2004/10149.html . Maybe can help you
[04:35] <abbas> t s correct
[04:35] <edulix> yeah it's
[04:35] <edulix> it'll ask you for your own password
[04:35] <edulix> you enter it
[04:35] <edulix> and then you'll be root
[04:36] <edulix> (if you don't belive me, after doing that, execute "whoami" command)
[04:36] <Jug_> if I want to build modules to kernel do I need to have kernel sources?
[04:37] <abbas> thanks
[04:37] <carthik> I don't mean to be rude, but surely I can't be only one with that keyboard-layout problem.
[04:37] <edulix> carthik: yeah, but not every ubuntu user is in this channel at the same time man :)
[04:37] <edulix> carthik: search in ubuntuforums.org or in the ubuntulinux.org bugzilla for example
[04:40] <carthik> edulix, chill, I have searched to no good, and even with some limited gnome experience, I am clueless... I trust gnome more than my keyboard, which is why I bought a new one thinking the old one was broken ;)
[04:41] <abbas> n gnome where can i change keyboard langages
[04:41] <napsy> Desktop preferneces->keyboard
[04:42] <no0tic> kernel 2.6.8.1-1-k7 crash when starting gnome, kernel panic
[04:43] <edulix> carthic: actually I thouht you were the other one with problems with keyboard in the installer
[04:43] <edulix> carthik: does your keyboard work in the virtual terminals?
[04:44] <aroman> is reiser4 usable in ubuntu hoary?
[04:44] <carthik> edulix, hmm, I'll have to break it again by rebooting to find out.
[04:44] <edulix> azroman: that's a good question. if you get answer tell me it :)
[04:45] <aroman> lol ok
[04:45] <aroman> I'll try formatting a partition with reiser4 now
[04:45] <edulix> aroman:ah ok :)
[04:46] <tito> help with memory stick kingstone please?
[04:46] <spiral> Riddell: don't know if you saw it, but thanks for amaroK
[04:46] <edulix> carthik: you know you can enter to the vtts by hitting the combination keys <ctrl>-<alt>-<fX>, X is 1 to 6, and 7 is for returning to gnome
[04:46] <tito> help me whith a kingstone memory 512 please
[04:46] <carthik> edulix, yup, thanks.
[04:47] <oly> having major probs with nvidia driver, its not loading the kernel module on boot even though its installed
[04:47] <oly> if i reinstall linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-3-k7 and do a startx
[04:47] <oly> everythings okay
[04:47] <oly> so why does it not work on first boort ?
[04:47] <Lathiat> tito: dude stop repeating otherwise everyone will ignore you -- what you need to do is clearly explain your problem for everyone to read and then someone may be able to respond -- include what you are trying to do, what happens, and what you expect to happen, in as much detail as possible.
[04:47] <oly> anyone got some ideas, of things i can try
[04:48] <Riddell> spiral: you're welcome. it all works?
[04:48] <SirFred> Hi.
[04:48] <tito> please help with kingstone usb device 512
[04:48] <SirFred> Is there any problem with ubuntu repositories?
[04:48] <edulix> SirFred: sometimes they just don't work to me hehe
[04:48] <SirFred> I tried since yesterday  to update several times, but no way.
[04:48] <Lathiat> tito: that is not what i just described, if you are going to continue repeating that, you may as well leave because people will not be motivated to help you, please read what I said above and then follow those instructions
[04:48] <SirFred> Always, bad header errors,...
[04:49] <aroman> ok here's an interesting thing...
[04:49] <edulix> aroman: how's it doing?
[04:49] <aroman> ubuntu hoary kernel doesn't have the reiser4 module, yet hoary has reiser4progs
[04:50] <aroman> don't feel like recompiling the kernel :(
[04:50] <edulix> aroman: maybe it's planned or something? hehe
[04:50] <aroman> hmm
[04:50] <aroman> I wonder...
[04:50] <Lathiat> those two things are completely separate
[04:50] <aroman> maybe I can compile just reiser4 module
[04:50] <Lathiat> the tools can be used without the module
[04:50] <Lathiat> or, you may want the tools
[04:50] <aroman> Lathiat, yes
[04:50] <Lathiat> if you compile the module yourself
[04:50] <aroman> but
[04:50] <hybrid_> doess  anyone  know of  a good  xml  editor  foor hoar
[04:50] <CarlK> trying to build http://krecipes.sourceforge.net/ and is says i need kde-config - apt-cache search didn't show me anything... where do I look?
[04:51] <aroman> why include tools if there's no module?
[04:51] <spiral> Riddell: yeah, all works nice, thanks again :-)
[04:51] <Riddell> CarlK: kdelibs-bin
[04:52] <aroman> is linux-2.6.11 released?? :S
[04:52] <CarlK> Riddell - thanks
[04:53] <Lathiat> aroman: no
[04:53] <kent> aroman, check kernek.org for those questions :)
[04:54] <kent> aroman, kernel.org that is
[04:54] <no0tic> Lathiat: there's in hoary repositories
[04:54] <housetier> or /topic #kernel
[04:54] <aroman> kent, yeah I did...
[04:54] <aroman> ubuntu kernel packages should tell you if it's an rc
[04:57] <Lathiat> no0tic: its a pre-release
[04:57] <CarlK> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/ says my AT76c50x  is "supported" but not "out of the box" - what does that mean?
[04:58] <nmy> lol
[04:58] <nmy> gvb
[04:59] <httpdss> CarlK: you have to do something ... its not done by its own
[04:59] <oly> anyone why would the nvidia kernel module not be available at boot time or not get loaded ?
[04:59] <Lathiat> oly: you may need to install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel version
[05:00] <Lathiat> oly: also you need to laod it manually
[05:00] <Lathiat> oly: by adding 'nvidia' on a line by its own to the end of /etc/modules
[05:00] <abbas> anyone help me to update my sourceslis for PPC ?
[05:00] <oly> Lathiat,  i have
[05:00] <oly> but its not working
[05:00] <oly> computer boots upto console
[05:00] <Lathiat> oly: does modprobe nvidia work?
[05:00] <CarlK> httpdss - so "supported" is "has worked in some Linux" ?
[05:00] <oly> if i sudo apt-get reinstall that module then startx
[05:00] <oly> it loads fine
[05:01] <oly> but its annopying having to reinstall on each cold boot
[05:01] <oly> i have not tried the mdprobe nvidia
[05:01] <Lathiat> apt-get reinstall what package exactly?
[05:01] <oly> but will give it ago
[05:01] <Lathiat> oly: you sure nvidia is in /etc/modules?
[05:01] <oly> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-3-k7
[05:01] <oly> thats the one i need to fix the prob
[05:01] <oly> but i am reinstallin over and over again
[05:01] <Lathiat> weird
[05:02] <kent> CarlK, Perhaps its more like it cant load the module automatic for some reason, but if you load it manually it will work? Have you tried loading the module?  I know its nothing a new user expects to do, but it might work that way.
[05:02] <Lathiat> oly: /etc/modules ?
[05:02] <drasko>  help with apache needed  - I find this in php4.log PHP Warning:  Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/$
[05:02] <oly> i am in gnome now and its workin
[05:02] <oly> but if i reboot it will not
[05:02] <oly> i will look there
[05:02] <oly> now
[05:02] <Lathiat> oly: dude, is it in /etc/modules?
[05:02] <Lathiat> and you spelt it right and stuff
[05:02] <Mitario> hmm, what was that website again where you can publish your iCal online? (and let it be updated by evolution automatically)
[05:02] <oly> yeah just gona have a look Lathiat
[05:03] <CarlK> kent - ill give it a shot - just wondering how much fun I am in for ;)
[05:03] <rapha> edulix, looked good but doesn't work :-/
[05:04] <edulix> :(
[05:04] <CarlK> kent - hotplug modprobed the atmel_cs modules(s) - what next?
[05:04] <oly> okay i dont think its in modules Lathiat
[05:04] <edulix> rapha: try in irc.gimp.org, channel #gdm or #gnome, perhaps
[05:04] <oly> do i just add nvidia there ?
[05:06] <CarlK> cat /proc/driver/atmel; Current state:          Down
[05:07] <thenuke> what was the problem again with X when my mouse lags like hell
[05:07] <aroman> yaay I patched the ubuntu kernel for reiser4
[05:07] <subterrific> Mitario: pretty sure evolution can't do that
[05:08] <subterrific> Mitario: evolution only reads webdev calendars, no publishing
[05:09] <kreiger> hrm
[05:09] <kreiger> guys, question.
[05:09] <kent> subterrific, evolution can subscribe to a calender online. (.ics files)
[05:09] <kreiger> when i try to download ET it comes in a .run, and it shows up IN my web-browser
[05:09] <kreiger> how do i fix that?
[05:10] <subterrific> kent: thats exactly what i said
[05:10] <kent> subterrific, ok, :)
[05:10] <kreiger> Anybody?
[05:10] <subterrific> kent: you can subscribe, but you can't modify the calendar and have evolution publish your changes
[05:10] <aroman> kreiger, right-click -> save link as?
[05:10] <kreiger> tried it
[05:11] <kreiger> it wants to save it as modules.php
[05:11] <rapha> edulix, trying in #gnome now; there's no #gdm
[05:11] <aroman> where u getting it from?
[05:11] <kreiger> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/index.php
[05:11] <edulix> ok
[05:11] <edulix> now i have to go
[05:11] <edulix> bye !
[05:12] <mouche> Can anyone help with inaccurate (useless) battery charge indicator on a laptop with warty?
[05:12] <Lathiat> mouche: Thats probably not an issue with the indicator, but an issue with your battery
[05:12] <Lathiat> mouche: and theres not much you can do it about it
[05:12] <mouche> I don't think so...
[05:13] <Lathiat> mouche: why is that?
[05:13] <mouche> ubuntu drops the apparent charge to 1% within minutes
[05:13] <aroman> kreiger, try here: http://mirrors.xmission.com/idsoftware/et/linux/
[05:13] <mouche> but the laptop will keep going for over an hour
[05:13] <Lathiat> mouche: Yes, thats usually what happens when you have an old/failing/bad battery
[05:13] <mouche> with video playing, everything
[05:13] <Lathiat> mouche: your hardware reports the battery level, ubuntu just reports what it says
[05:13] <BiteMeBill> Sounds like my Thinkpad.
[05:14] <kreiger> Danke, aroman
[05:14] <kreiger> Do you play?
[05:14] <Mitario> subterrific, it doesn't? i thought it did.. what about the Preferences -> Agenda & Stuff -> Free/Busy does then?
[05:14] <aroman> kreiger, bitte..
[05:14] <aroman> kreiger, nope... don't have time
[05:14] <aroman> :(
[05:14] <mouche> really?  I'm confused, you mean the first thing to go on the battery is it doesn't report its own charge right?
[05:14] <Lathiat> mouche: It doesn't quite work like that
[05:14] <Lathiat> It's usually the result of a 'dead cell' in the battery
[05:15] <CarlK> warty - configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check - See `config.log' for more details.
[05:15] <Lathiat> which is a small part of the battery that doesnt work
[05:15] <kreiger> sprechen sie deutsch?
[05:15] <Lathiat> and then it screws up the mechanism of detecting battery charge
[05:15] <CarlK> I dont see anything interesting...
[05:15] <aroman> kreiger, ja, mein deutsch schlecht... if you spell it that way
[05:15] <Lathiat> common problem with laptop batteries older than a year or two, can take a lot longer depending on the battery/how it was treated
[05:15] <kreiger> heh
[05:15] <kent> CarlK, you are missing build-essentials
[05:15] <kreiger> mein auch, mein Freund.
[05:15] <mouche> Lathiat, thank you.  Unfortunately, I noticed no problems with the battery before removing XP and installing warty
[05:16] <CarlK> kent - thanks
[05:16] <Lathiat> mouche: oh so the battery reports correctly in windows?
[05:16] <mouche> It did last time I checked
[05:16] <Lathiat> mouche: interesting...
[05:16] <aroman> now I'm pissed :/
[05:16] <kreiger> por que?
[05:16] <ExxonE> Hello, I need a program that can unpack "*.rar"-files anyone have a clue?
[05:16] <Lathiat> I doubt it, but I guess its possible
[05:16] <Lathiat> you could google for your laptop model
[05:16] <drasko>  help with apache needed  - I find this in php4.log PHP Warning:  Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/$
[05:16] <kreiger> ExxonE apt-get install rar
[05:16] <Lathiat> see if someones said anything about it
[05:16] <Tsjoklat> ExxonE, apt-get unrar-nonfree
[05:16] <ExxonE> kreiger: thx
[05:16] <kent> CarlK, the name is build-essential, not build-essentialS as i wrote :=
[05:17] <kreiger> or that
[05:17] <aroman> I patch the kernel with reiser4, enable it in menuconfig, but make builds all the filesystems except reiser4
[05:17] <aroman> oh shoot
[05:17] <aroman> I know why..
[05:17] <kreiger> follow tsjok
[05:17] <aroman> I didn't enable it as a module
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> ExxonE, the rar one you have to register after forty days
[05:17] <mouche> Thanks Lathiat. It's a stumper.  Maybe an issue with compaq laptops.  I'll google it to death
[05:17] <kreiger> Tsjoklat, whats the difference?
[05:17] <aroman> doh!
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> ExxonE, the unrar-nonfree works just aswell
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> kreiger, unrar-nonfree is to unrar files.. rar is to rar files
[05:17] <kreiger> lol
[05:17] <kreiger> my bad
[05:17] <kreiger> *hides*
[05:18] <Tsjoklat> kreiger, plus unrar-nonfree is free rar is register software
[05:18] <ExxonE> tsjoklat: I cant find that package
[05:18] <Tsjoklat> ExxonE, do you have universe muliverse in your rep?
[05:18] <Tsjoklat> ExxonE, in your sources.list make it that it says: main restricted universe multiverse.. update
[05:19] <ExxonE> tsjoklat: yes
[05:19] <abbas> where cqb i download lice cd for power pc
[05:19] <abbas> can i
[05:19] <ExxonE> tsjoklat: thx
[05:19] <abbas> where can i download livd cd ubuntu for ppc
[05:19] <Tsjoklat> ExxonE, you're welcome
[05:19] <abbas> powerpc
[05:19] <Ryoppei> Hello from Spain
[05:20] <mako> Ryoppei: hey there
[05:20] <Semt-X> G'day
[05:20] <Ryoppei> Somebody could help me?, I have a little question
[05:20] <Echylo> shoot Ryoppei
[05:20] <Semt-X> evarlast, modprobing failed
[05:21] <Ryoppei> I want to install ubuntu in a PC without internet, can I update the packages from CD's?
[05:21] <Semt-X> afk
[05:21] <carthik> abbas: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story40784.html
[05:21] <Echylo> hmm
[05:21] <Ryoppei> I mean, svae some updates CD with more packages than the standar
[05:21] <Tsjoklat> Ryoppei, are you talking about a clean install or what?
[05:22] <Ryoppei> I know how to use rpm's, but I never used APT
[05:22] <ExxonE> where do i find "sources.list"? :$
[05:22] <carthik> I was interested in knowing the answer to that, so I can take a few cds to use as repos in India, too, Ryoppei
[05:22] <Tsjoklat> ExxonE, cd /etc/apt
[05:22] <apokryphos> ExxonE: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:22] <Ryoppei> I want to intall the OS from the original CD
[05:22] <ExxonE> thx thx
[05:22] <CarlK> kent - thanks - ./configure completeded
[05:22] <Rocha> Ryoppei, yes you can
[05:22] <Tsjoklat> Ryoppei, if you have burned packages on a cd you can yes
[05:22] <Rocha> Ryoppei, but be sure to download all package dependencies
[05:23] <Ryoppei> but, how I can install a lot of packages without net?
[05:23] <Tsjoklat> Ryoppei, you copy the packages on your cd to cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[05:23] <Rocha> Using "dpkg -i pkg1.deb pkg2.deb...."
[05:23] <Tsjoklat> Ryoppei, err?
[05:23] <carthik> Rocha, is there is a magic command to download all the packages using apt-get ?
[05:23] <michele> hello
[05:24] <Tsjoklat> carthik, what is it that you want to do?
[05:24] <carthik> maybe we could have a DVD with all the sources and binaries on it. Is there one already?
[05:24] <unifi> just for everyone's information... warty does not unstall with the shuttle G4 case4
[05:24] <Ryoppei> There exist a software that could look for dependencies y may need, or I have to do it by my self?
[05:24] <unifi> hoary does
[05:24] <Tsjoklat> Ryoppei, apt-get does that for you
[05:24] <carthik> Tsjoklat, same as Ryoppei, I want a cd/dvd will all the packages in it, for internet-less installation in remote continents... :)
[05:24] <unifi> with warty the installation hangs at xserver
[05:24] <michele> How can I change screen resolution to one not showed in the menu ?
[05:24] <Lathiat> Ryoppei: or use its frontend 'synaptic package manager'
[05:24] <Rocha> carthik, i don't think so
[05:25] <Tsjoklat> Ryoppei, you could use apt-get in console aptitude in console or synaptic in gui
[05:25] <Ryoppei> ok
[05:25] <Ryoppei> thank a lot
[05:25] <Ryoppei> I'll try it
[05:25] <Tsjoklat> Ryoppei, read the pages on ubuntuguide.org
[05:25] <carthik> michele, maybe your monitor doesn't support a higher resolution?
[05:25] <kreiger> How often should one apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[05:25] <Lathiat> Ryoppei: it is also used to update packages to the latest versions (security updates in warty, or new version in hoary)
[05:26] <kreiger> michele, i was trying to do the same thing
[05:26] <Tsjoklat> kreiger, depends on your speed, I do every day so I don't have to d/l 89 MB at once
[05:26] <Ryoppei> oops, a last question, form where can I download packages from umbutu or debian? (url)
[05:26] <carthik> michele, I fixed mine by popping in a Knoppix cd and copying the "mode" lines of the xf86config file over to the ubuntu xf86config file.
[05:26] <kreiger> michele in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 are some options supposedly
[05:26] <Tsjoklat> kreiger, but if you are on a fast internet connection well..
[05:26] <Lathiat> Ryoppei: the package manager knows where to fidn them
[05:27] <kreiger> Carthik, what did your ubuntu let you sit at?
[05:27] <Lathiat> Ryoppei: open the repositories settings and you can enable the universe archive to get even more programs (alot more) -- theres information on www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/SynapticHowTo
[05:27] <kreiger> and what did knoppix run at?
[05:27] <michele> The problem is that i have a notebook with an external monitor and the notebok panel not support the resolution 1280x but the external monitor yes
[05:27] <Matrix> I downloaded Hoary and since then, the windows of the same program are all in the same icon of the pannel (like in winXP) how can i change it??
[05:27] <ogami1972> hi all- is there a way to restart x without rebooting?
[05:27] <Matrix> i dont know if you understood me but im spanish
[05:27] <Ryoppei> Ok, thanks for the information
[05:27] <Tsjoklat> ogami1972, ctrl alt backspace
[05:27] <zenwhen> ogami1972, ctrl +alt +bkspce
[05:27] <Ryoppei> Bye
[05:28] <ogami1972> :)
[05:28] <Tsjoklat> good luck Ryoppei
[05:28] <Lathiat> Matrix: right click the handle on the window list
[05:28] <carthik> kreiger, my problem was taht the refresh rate (Freq) was too low, so I bumped that up to 75Hz. On another computer, I moved up one notch to the max allowed by the monitor using the knoppix cd.
[05:28] <michael> somebody speck spanish here?
[05:28] <Lathiat> Matrix: (the gray bar between the shwo desktop button and the first window icon)
[05:28] <michele> carthik, this is good idea because knoppix allow me to set the resolution that i want
[05:28] <Lathiat> Matrix: then select preferences
[05:28] <kreiger> m. dammit.
[05:28] <BiteMeBill> Anyone one know if bootstrap errors could be media errors?
[05:28] <Lathiat> Matrix: theres an option in there
[05:28] <Tsjoklat> michael, there is a Spanisch ubu channel
[05:29] <Matrix> ok thanks lathiat
[05:29] <carthik> michele, great, so do it then! I mount the ubuntu / directory after booting knoppix so it is easier to copy over the lines from the xf86config. Or else you could copy it onto a floppy or flashdisk
[05:29] <michael> if this is a spanish ubu channel , why everybody is writing in inglish?
[05:29] <michael> ok.. whatever
[05:29] <kreiger> MIchael, there IS one.
[05:29] <kreiger> this is not it.
[05:29] <carthik> michele, i would recommend not copying the entire xf86config file, though, just change the bare minimum needed
[05:29] <kreiger> does somebody have the link to the spanish ubuntu channel?
[05:29] <Ryoppei> It exist a spanish channel? whats the name? is in this server or in a spanuish server (irc-hisano)?
[05:30] <Lathiat> michele: you would be looking to change the HorizSyn/VertRefresh options
[05:30] <httpdss> ubuntu-es
[05:30] <kreiger> Carthik, i'm trying to increase resolution.
[05:30] <Lathiat> michele: and then changing the list of resolutions
[05:30] <Tsjoklat> Ryoppei, look at the ubu wiki pages.. there is a link to the Spanish part
[05:30] <kreiger> i know my computer can go higher than 1024
[05:30] <Tsjoklat> michael, the language is English in here because this is the general channel
[05:30] <carthik> kreiger, try booting from a knoppix cd, and see if it's auto detected and running at a higher resolution, like michele says it does, and then do what I mentioned above
[05:30] <drasko>  help with apache needed  - I find this in php4.log PHP Warning:  Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/$
[05:30] <Lathiat> michael: /join #ubuntu-es
[05:30] <Hexadecimal> spanish. . #ubuntu-es
[05:31] <michael> ok.. thanks man
[05:31] <carthik> kreiger, you could use the ubuntu livecd instead, too.
[05:31] <kreiger> mm. i don
[05:31] <kreiger> 't have one
[05:31] <kreiger> anyway, i'm installing ET
[05:31] <michele> carthik Lathiat, ok thank you all, I im going to try
[05:31] <carthik> drasko, install php4-mysql
[05:31] <carthik> bye michele
[05:31] <kreiger> michele, if it works, please come back and tell us
[05:31] <ogami1972> good luck
[05:31] <Tsjoklat> drasko are you on apache or apache2?
[05:31] <michele> ok
[05:32] <strixy> hello everyone
[05:32] <kendo_> Hi Everyone - It's my first time on channel so please excuse me if I make some mistakes.
[05:32] <kreiger> new question. how do i "run" a .run file?
[05:32] <Tsjoklat> no worries kendo_ if you do you just get canned :P
[05:32] <Lathiat> kreiger: If you double click it in nautilus, it should ask you to run it in a terminal
[05:32] <Lathiat> kendo_: No problems, go ahead and ask your question
[05:32] <Lathiat> kreiger: failing that, simply "sh <file>
[05:33] <Matrix> what can I do if I want syanptic in hoary???
[05:33] <kendo_> i have a problem setting up my printer from openoffice and wondered if anyone could help here?
[05:33] <strixy> I burned out my old motherboard and bought a new mobo/processor. I plugged in the old HD with my Ubuntu install on it and was wondering how I can reconfigure my system to recognize the new features of the motherboard. (eg. sound device)
[05:33] <Lathiat> Matrix: synaptic is in hoary?
[05:33] <kreiger> it opens it in gedit
[05:33] <kreiger> k
[05:33] <kreiger> sh works
[05:33] <Matrix> synaptic isnt in hoary
[05:33] <Lathiat> Matrix: yes it is
[05:33] <apokryphos> Matrix: Yes, it is. You might have removed it however.
[05:34] <Tsjoklat> lol
[05:34] <apokryphos> Matrix: get it again by sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:34] <Tsjoklat> okay gotta dash.. things to see and people to do
[05:34] <Tsjoklat> behave all
[05:34] <kirkt> hey i've installed ubuntu in expert mode but i never got to select which packages i want!! i ran out of space before it was completed... what should i do ??
[05:34] <ogami1972> bye
[05:34] <apokryphos> kirkt: Doesn't matter. You can apt for any packages that you want now.
[05:35] <ogami1972> ran out of space?
[05:35] <Matrix> I cant install with apt-get install synaptic; The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:35] <Matrix>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3
[05:35] <Matrix> E: Broken packages
[05:35] <carthik> kirkt, trying for a minimal install or some strange old pc?
[05:35] <strixy> is there a way to re-run the base config again?
[05:35] <kirkt> apokryphos but i'm like stuck now.. in the install.. it ran out of space
[05:35] <carthik> kirkt, try beatrix linux, which is based off of ubuntu.
[05:35] <kirkt> carthik: i have 1.3gb free for it
[05:35] <apokryphos> Matrix: Hah, that's interesting. I know that package doesn't exist in the repository as well. Kynaptic depends on it.
[05:35] <drasko> carthik, I have alreay installed that...
[05:35] <carthik> 1.3 gb seems a tad low, kirkt.
[05:35] <kirkt> carthik i belive that without that DAMN openoffice it will suffice
[05:36] <ogami1972> kirkt: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[05:36] <drasko> Tsjoklat, apache
[05:36] <BiteMeBill> 1.8gb is the min.
[05:36] <unifi> ok now I have ubuntu up and  running on my shuttle box.. YAY!!
[05:36] <carthik> kirkt, OO is a part of ubuntu, it goes where ubuntu does righ tnow... :)
[05:36] <apokryphos> Matrix: I think you'll have to try to get libapt manually.
[05:36] <kirkt> all i want is to not include openoffice
[05:36] <unifi> has anyone else had problems with usb drives and hot plugging?
[05:36] <Matrix> ok
[05:36] <unifi> with hoary
[05:36] <kirkt> but i dont WANT openoffice
[05:36] <ogami1972> kirkt: that webpage talks about doing a custom install
[05:37] <kendo_> kirkt thank you for respornding, perhaps I can explain further.
[05:37] <ogami1972> and then carefully selecting packages from command
[05:37] <kirkt> ogami1972 i've seen this but it offers iceWM, i want gnome
[05:37] <carthik> drasko, well, I remember editing some php conf file, to move a line referencing php4-mysql from the last line to somehere in between, where it was supposed to be...
[05:37] <ogami1972> so get gnome ?
[05:37] <Lathiat> kirkt: are you trying to install gnome post-install?
[05:37] <ogami1972> semms like it would work
[05:38] <kirkt> im stuck in the install... ran out of space Lathiat
[05:38] <kirkt> i want to not include openoffice
[05:38] <Lathiat> kirkt: ah umm
[05:38] <Lathiat> kirkt: hrm
[05:38] <kirkt> i tried expertmode like ppl said here
[05:38] <strixy> is there a good way to back up my system?
[05:38] <kirkt> but it didnt ask me nothing
[05:38] <Ainvar> unifi, Hotplug fails to load for me in hoary on my laptop
[05:39] <Ainvar> after an apt-get dist upgrade from warty to hoary
[05:39] <Echylo> how do you change that apach2 auto refers to localhost/apache2-default ?
[05:39] <Lathiat> kirkt: can try "apt-get install gnome"
[05:39] <carthik> drasko, in /etc/php4/apapche2/php.ini I commented the "extension = mysql.so " line and uncommented line 536 where it was previously commented.
[05:39] <Lathiat> kirkt: its a limimted sub-set of the ubuntu desktop however
[05:39] <carthik> the line I commented was at the very end, drasko.
[05:39] <kirkt> Lathiat: where? how?
[05:39] <BiteMeBill> apache2.conf
[05:39] <Lathiat> kirkt: login as root on a console
[05:39] <Echylo> k
[05:39] <ogami1972> could you do "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"?
[05:40] <Lathiat> kirkt: and apt-get install gnome gdm
[05:40] <Lathiat> ogami1972: yes but that would install openoffice
[05:40] <kendo_> I have an Epson R300 which I use with turboprint 1.91 driver however OO printer administration does not "see" the driver.
[05:40] <ogami1972> oh
[05:40] <Mitario> hmm, anyone has a good idea to have anonymous svn repositories and author svn repositories? but sync the data between them
[05:40] <bzbb> whats the package name for the newest kernal source?
[05:40] <bzbb> er, kernel
[05:40] <kirkt> Lathiat: but the ubuntu install did its thing up to the openoffice part.. right there it got stuck
[05:41] <kirkt> this means i have a harddisk now with a partially installed ubuntu
[05:41] <Lathiat> kirkt: well you could do apt-get clean
[05:41] <Lathiat> kirkt: then dpkg --configur e-a
[05:41] <Lathiat> kirkt: then dpkg --configure -a
[05:41] <goldfish> Has anyone installed America's Army on ubuntu?
[05:41] <kirkt> whats that ?
[05:41] <Lathiat> kirkt: then try to apt-get dist-upgrade // apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <kendo_> I can use other applications ok but not OO
[05:41] <Lathiat> kirkt: and see if you can get all the way through the install
[05:41] <Lathiat> kirkt: they are commands to run
[05:41] <unifi> anyone have any information about usb not hotplugging?
[05:41] <Lathiat> kirkt: You really need more disk space, it only needs like 2GB to install :)
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Trying to get Ubuntu going on an OLD laptop. ifconfig is showing a "sit0" device and no eth0 - gnome config is saying the  pcmcia network card is configured.. but aparently its not.. sort of confused now. :P
[05:42] <drasko> carthik, I am using apache, not apache 2... And I uncomented already line extension = mysql.so... Isn't it supposed to be uncommented?
[05:42] <kirkt> Lathiat i've already wasted most of the day...
[05:42] <Lathiat> kirkt: why do you have so little hard disk sapce?
[05:42] <regeya> kirkt, the only thing I could suggest is to try again.  my printer is showing up, and I use turboprint.
[05:42] <BiteMeBill> Dr_Willis: how old is old?  Just doing an install on an old Thinkpad with 233Mhz and 48MB ram.
[05:43] <regeya> I also didn't have to do a darn thing...hate to give you a 'worksforme bugclosed' answer but, eh, it just worked. *shrug*
[05:43] <kirkt> Lathiat cause all the rest is porn
[05:43] <regeya> heh
[05:43] <Lathiat> drasko: the device may simply not be configured
[05:43] <Lathiat> kirkt: heh
[05:43] <kirkt> really it doesn't matter why.. i have 1.3gb. the question is why linux has THAT much space
[05:43] <Lathiat> drasko: does ifconfig eth0 show it up?
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> BiteMeBill,  pent100
[05:43] <kirkt> isn't it supposed to be run on low end and poor systems ?
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> BiteMeBill,  it took FOREVER... :P
[05:43] <kirkt> hell
[05:43] <Lathiat> kirkt: ubuntu needs 1.8GB to install (i think)
[05:43] <kirkt> windows itself doesnt take that much
[05:43] <regeya> wonder if neooffice could be ported to gnustep... ;-)
[05:43] <drasko> Lathiat, yes
[05:43] <unifi> so everyones usb is working perfectly??
[05:44] <Lathiat> kirkt: yes but ubuntu includes a lot of applications, windows does not
[05:44] <unifi> I am trying to plug in a thumb drive
[05:44] <BiteMeBill> Dr_Willis: I know what you mean.
[05:44] <Lathiat> kirkt: you could do a server install
[05:44] <Lathiat> kirkt: (aka expert on warty0
[05:44] <unifi> and it is not being recognized
[05:44] <kirkt> Lathiat: then i DONT WANT those damn applications
[05:44] <Lathiat> kirkt: then install stuff later, it will be messy however
[05:44] <unifi> neither is it recognizing my iriver mp3 plater
[05:44] <Lathiat> kirkt: i.e. will require work, it wont "just work" (tm)
[05:44] <unifi> can anyone give me any susggestions
[05:45] <Lathiat> kirkt: so like, pop your ubuntu cd in, reboot, run a 'expert' install if warty or 'server' if its a hoary cd
[05:45] <regeya> kirkt: how about instead of biting the heads off of ubuntu USERS, why not go with something like Debian and install the things you want/need
[05:45] <abusado> where can i get mysql and php ?????
[05:45] <regeya> kirkt: or as Lathiat said
[05:45] <Lathiat> kirkt: then apt-get install gnome gdm
[05:45] <thenuke> how do you suggest I tweak ubuntu when I run it on a pentium 120MHz with 64megs of ram :)
[05:45] <abusado> where can i get mysql and php for ubuntu?????
[05:45] <Lathiat> kirkt: that should get you somewhere
[05:45] <Lathiat> thenuke: Don't run gnome :)
[05:45] <thenuke> I am using now a fluxbox
[05:45] <Lathiat> thenuke: xfce4 is a more light weight desktop to run on such a machine
[05:45] <rubixXx> whats the rootkit checker, chkrootkit?
[05:45] <BiteMeBill> abusado: did you look at the ubuntuguide?
[05:46] <kirkt> hold on i'll format the HDD
[05:46] <zeedo> rubixXx: chrootkit or rkhunter
[05:46] <kirkt> ok i started over the box
[05:46] <BiteMeBill> abusado: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:46] <thenuke> Lathiat: I think that there is some processes/daemons which I dont need :I I wonder if they eat much resources or no?
[05:46] <kirkt> now what?
[05:46] <Lathiat> thenuke: not really
[05:46] <kirkt> type expert again ?
[05:46] <rubixXx> zeedo): if it says "its not an ordinary file but not infected", does that mean it may be infected?
[05:46] <ogami1972> maybe wrong- but i think you want custom
[05:46] <thenuke> I see something like, postfix, RAID, and something running past the screen while booting
[05:46] <ogami1972> kirkt
[05:47] <thenuke> How do I affect those?
[05:47] <kirkt> ogami1972 im typing custom
[05:47] <kirkt> no such thing
[05:47] <BiteMeBill> If he presses the different F keys it will tell him which to type.  There is also the customexpert
[05:47] <BiteMeBill> Or something along those lines.
[05:48] <kendo_> this is absolutely terrifying for a newbie I can't keep up with all the machine gun conversation, is there a slower more considered channel for helping with problems?
[05:48] <kirkt> im gonna go with server
[05:48] <unifi> bueller... anyone...?
[05:48] <kirkt> then install the damn gnome
[05:48] <ogami1972> kendo- have you tried the forums?
[05:49] <regeya> much anger in you
[05:49] <ogami1972> lol
[05:49] <carthik> kendo_, you can keep track of conversations since ones with your names in them will be highlighted, usually
[05:49] <kirkt> regeya who? me ?
[05:49] <regeya> show of hands--how many people here are getting paid to do tech support, or at the very least have a connection to ubuntu other than being a user?
[05:50] <kirkt> me
[05:50] <kirkt> i do tech support
[05:50] <ogami1972> meh- i'm just hangin' out before work
[05:50] <kirkt> those fukin clients drive me mad
[05:50] <kendo_> Oh I see thanks carthik - I guess I ask my question and wait until the colour changes, is that the way to do it?
[05:50] <regeya> then why isn't my ubuntu working right kirkt make it work dammikt
[05:50] <kirkt> regeya thats easy
[05:51] <carthik> kendo_, yup, and you can have an audio beep too, if you like, look in the preferences or setting for your irc chat tool
[05:51] <kirkt> install ubuntu
[05:51] <kirkt> wait 3 hours
[05:51] <kirkt> remove ubuntu
[05:51] <kirkt> install pirated windows
[05:51] <kirkt> use computer.
[05:51] <carthik> kendo_, some tools also allow you to highlight other words etc...
[05:51] <Matrix> can anybody help me compiling gtk+ ????
[05:51] <Matrix> i have the next error
[05:51] <ogami1972> eww- you put windows on a computer?
[05:51] <Matrix> checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... yes
[05:51] <Matrix> configure: error: Xft Pango backend is required for x11 target
[05:52] <Matrix> and I have pango installed
[05:52] <BiteMeBill> And here I thought the computer went out the window.
[05:52] <regeya> kirkt: that's a terrible attitude how do you expect to make ubuntu great with that attitude you're the worst tech support evar
[05:52] <kirkt> well
[05:53] <kirkt> who da frak said ubuntu was great
[05:53] <BiteMeBill> regeya: I think he originally mis understood the question in which he raise his hand for,
[05:53] <BiteMeBill> But he did cause me much humor and laughter.
[05:54] <kendo_> carthik - I've searched in the install forum for info on open office and the how to's but there doesn't seem to be any information on installing printers in OO. Can you suggest anyehre elso to look/
[05:54] <ogami1972> i do- i've been experimenting with linux for about 2 years- have been down most of the familiar paths- i've now set up 2 ubuntu- one as my daily and i gave one to my brother-
[05:54] <carthik> kendo_, you should set up printers for the whole computer, and leave it at that.
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> I got Ubuntu on 3 machines now in my house.
[05:54] <kirkt> anyone else with damn ubuntu questions ?
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> im trying to rember what the command is to set the console font.. anyone else recall?
[05:55] <wezzer> good evening
[05:55] <insom> hi all
[05:55] <carthik> kendo_ So Computer -> System Configuration -> Printers should get you where you can add new printers etc.
[05:55] <unifi> kirkt: ha well ubuntu makes this big deal about how helpful everyone is
[05:55] <rubixXx> whats a good, easy to configure ftp daemon
[05:55] <wezzer> is it good idea to upgrade fglrx-driver via synaptic?
[05:55] <unifi> linux is still hard to use
[05:55] <insom> is there anyone who likes a good challange?
[05:55] <regeya> unifi: and that means that when things don't go your way, you find a ubuntu-related irc channel and start shouting obscenities. :-)  and this from a tech support guy!
[05:56] <insom> i have a bit of a prob that is realy interesting..
[05:56] <kirkt> well then
[05:56] <ogami1972> linux is a godd challenge
[05:56] <unifi> and until its easy.. then newbies like me will always ask ??
[05:56] <BiteMeBill> LMAO
[05:56] <kirkt> i'm the real ubuntu spirit
[05:56] <insom> ture
[05:56] <ogami1972> go ahead insom
[05:56] <regeya> kirkt: heh
[05:56] <insom> true
[05:56] <insom> ok.. here is the deal
[05:56] <insom> i have a laoptop with no cd rom
[05:56] <regeya> kirkt: any luck with turboprint and oo yet?
[05:56] <kendo_> carthik I've just upgraded from Libranet 1.8.1 to ubuntu, had no problem previously I must be doing something stupid. this doesn't seem to be the place to seek help. I'l try to place a message on the forum
[05:56] <insom> it doesn thava boot from usb device option in bios
[05:57] <kirkt> ubuntu means: "get me the dough" anyways..
[05:57] <insom> but i would still like to install ubuntu on it..
[05:57] <kirkt> thats a far more cool approach
[05:57] <insom> any ideas?
[05:57] <carthik> kendo_, upgraded is the right word ;) good luck with the forums, try the ubuntu-users mailing list as well, that is where I lurk for my answers
[05:57] <kirkt> insom you're fucked
[05:57] <kirkt> heh
[05:57] <insom> lol
[05:57] <insom> not realy
[05:57] <kendo_> regeya my printer installation in oo is not working. OO doesn'e see the driver
[05:57] <carthik> kirkt, dude, go pick a fight someplace else
[05:58] <BiteMeBill> kirkt: Your a horses ass.
[05:58] <insom> i did manage to install mandrake on it via my usb cd rom
[05:58] <kirkt> hehe
[05:58] <kirkt> i'm joking
[05:58] <regeya> no you're not
[05:58] <insom> so i know it is possible..
[05:58] <kirkt> yes i am
[05:58] <insom> reg: do u know a way?
[05:58] <BiteMeBill> insom: look into maybe boot floppies that will let you then go from either usb or network.
[05:59] <carthik> kirkt, "yes you are" - what? joking? or horses ass?
[05:59] <kirkt> ah
[05:59] <kirkt> im joking
[05:59] <carthik> lol, no offence, kirkt
[05:59] <regeya> insom: if your system doesn't support booting from usb, you can't boot from usb.
[05:59] <ogami1972> doesn't lilo have a "make boot floppy" command?
[05:59] <insom> bite:i have tried but there is no img or bin file that i can use with rawrite to make one for ubuntu...
[05:59] <abusado> how to download mysql for ubuntu?
[05:59] <BiteMeBill> abusado: read here http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> i think i just used 'apt-get instal mysql'
[06:00] <insom> reg:it is possible... mandrake has a img file that lets u make a boot floppy that probes usb devices
[06:00] <carthik> abusado, use synaptic to search and install after reading hte guide
[06:00] <AngryClip> BiteMeBill: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installmysqldatabaseserver
[06:00] <unifi> are there any other distros where usb support works better?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> unifi,  what usb device ya got issues with?
[06:00] <BiteMeBill> AngryClip: Yep that be the exact location.  LOL
[06:00] <unifi> flash drive
[06:00] <ogami1972> kirkt: i think you should follow the link's instructions, substituting gnome for icewm
[06:00] <xilunG4> hi
[06:01] <unifi> iriver 320
[06:01] <unifi> and a web cam
[06:01] <kirkt> damnit. with Ubuntu being african and all that, couldn't the just send some 3rd world skinny guy to install it for me for $5.99 ??
[06:01] <unifi> Dr_willis
[06:01] <insom> is there a similar thing fro ubuntu that anyone knows about?
[06:01] <ogami1972> awww- now that's not nice
[06:02] <insom> i have spend so much time trying to digg it up on the net.. but no luck so far
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> a usb 'memory drive' - should show up as a scsi device - if the right modules are loaded.
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> as for a web cam.. well that depends on even if drivers exist for it. :(
[06:02] <xilunG4> is there any command line tool to burn dvd in warty ?
[06:03] <ogami1972> btw kirkt- i know how you feel- i killed my desktop 4 times before i figured out how to install a specific kernel correctly- can't tell you how many times i killed knoppix
[06:03] <regeya> this all reminds me to look into an sb live 5.1 problem I've been having, but I seem to recall fixing it under debian by using latest-greatest alsa drivers
[06:03] <unifi> Dr_willisL I plugged it in and it is not recognized
[06:03] <insom> kirk:if u are so superior to a skinny afro guys, why doesnt your big brain think of a way of doing it your self?
[06:03] <subterrific> so close to finishing my script to change the arch of a dpkg
[06:03] <insom> asshole
[06:03] <ogami1972> now now
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> xilunG4,  'cdrecord' i think can do it.. or theres a dvd variant of cdrecord out.   Not sure which come with ubuntu. no dvd-rw on this decvice
[06:03] <unifi> I just installed hoary after not being able to install warty
[06:04] <kirkt> ogami1972 actually u don't. this is the first time i'm having trouble installing anything on this laptop.. i've considered it to be linux-magic.. till ubuntu
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> unifi,  the usb-memory ting was seen befor and now its not?
[06:04] <ogami1972> !
[06:04] <unifi> never seen
[06:04] <xilunG4> Dr_Willis, well cdrecord says it can't
[06:04] <regeya> YHBT HAND
[06:04] <Atrophy> Hey quick question... if I point Synaptic at regular Debian package lists, will it still work for updating stuff?
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> Atrophy,  i broke some stuff doing that. :P so be carefull.
[06:04] <Atrophy> ok
[06:04] <regeya> Atrophy: bad idea.
[06:04] <AngryClip> Atrophy: some do
[06:05] <unifi> Atrophy: it will work...  but you run the risk of your systme being messed up if you do
[06:05] <Atrophy> well basically my problem is that Synaptic thinks the newest version of Firefox is .93
[06:05] <kirkt> insom :)
[06:05] <unifi> you want to use ubuntu builds
[06:05] <regeya> Atrophy: not unless you're trying to move over to Debian, or you're willing to fix stuff
[06:05] <insom> so... no one knows of a way to install ubuntu from usb cd rom?
[06:05] <Atrophy> there are other examples but that's the most glaring one
[06:05] <regeya> Atrophy: ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net, but don't tell any devs you're using that, b/c apparently it breaks upgrading to haray
[06:05] <ogami1972> not if the bios won't boot usb
[06:05] <xilunG4> right now i'm burning from the GUI
[06:05] <Atrophy> lol
[06:05] <regeya> insom: boot disk, perhaps...
[06:05] <flas> hi
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> insom,   ive heard that if the machine can boot off the usb-cdrom - it should install fine.. but no personal experience in it.
[06:06] <xilunG4> so there is something that can burn dvd in warty
[06:06] <flas> someone here from germany?
[06:06] <JsPr> Atrophy, use the backports rep
[06:06] <insom> ogami:but how is it possible to install mandrake without a bios usb device boot and there is no way for ubuntu?
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> xilunG4,  i know k3b can do dvd's but again - not tried it in warty.
[06:06] <ogami1972> it's a kde program, but k3b will
[06:06] <Atrophy> JsPr: backports rep?
[06:06] <regeya> kirkt, knock it off
[06:06] <subterrific> Atrophy: that url regeya just gave you
[06:06] <subterrific> Atrophy: is the backports rep
[06:06] <xilunG4> k3b isn't a cmd line tool ... :)
[06:06] <Atrophy> oic
[06:07] <Atrophy> ok thanks
[06:07] <xilunG4> doesn't matter anyway
[06:07] <xilunG4> thanks
[06:07] <JsPr> Atrophy, deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> xilunG4,  then you are back to a dvd-variant of cdrecord..
[06:07] <ogami1972> it's not?- the sys decides right? not the install
[06:07] <unifi> Atrophy: I am finding that usb support with other distros is a bit better than ubuntu. I cant get ubuntu to recognize any of my usb devices
[06:07] <Atrophy> also, if I install off of my warty disc can I upgrade to Hoary?
[06:07] <Echylo> yes
[06:07] <AngryClip> I thought the offical bakcports were at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> unifi,  that may be more of a kernel version issue also.
[06:07] <Echylo> change every warty in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary
[06:07] <Atrophy> groovy
[06:08] <Atrophy> that's what I thought but just wanted to make sure
[06:08] <Echylo> then sudo apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:08] <Atrophy> man I'm fairly pissed today I downloaded the Fedora Core 3 DVD last night and the MD5 checks out but it won't install from that disc
[06:08] <Atrophy> grr...
[06:08] <Echylo> throw it outside
[06:08] <Echylo> get ubuntu :p
[06:08] <Atrophy> lol
[06:08] <unifi> Dr_Willis: I used the hoary download
[06:08] <insom> so.. here is a nother question.. if i have one distro of linux on my laptop, can i use it to install ubuntu on it form usb cd rom?
[06:08] <unifi> so thats the kernel I used
[06:09] <Atrophy> yeah I have ubuntu but it didn't catch some of my hardwarez so I thought I'd try FC3
[06:09] <unifi> Atrophy: what didnt it catch?
[06:09] <ogami1972> insom: what happens when you try to boot from ubuntu cdrom?
[06:09] <kirkt> insom tried floppy and using cd for source ?
[06:09] <Atrophy> well, I am currently reinstalling warty on another machine but on the other machine it was the graphics card
[06:09] <jaco> yawwwnnnnn
[06:10] <insom> ogami: nothing.. it cant boot from usb cd rom...
[06:10] <Atrophy> Trident Blade 3D
[06:10] <jaco> gmorning
[06:10] <jaco> :)
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> theres an issue out - where SOME usb devices work when they are pluged in when the system boots.. but NOT if they are later plugged in.
[06:10] <Atrophy> OOOOOLD SKOOL
[06:10] <regeya> d'0h
[06:10] <ogami1972> yet you installed mandrake- on the same sys-?
[06:10] <regeya> ubuntu doesn't have ide support built into the kernel?
[06:10] <unifi> Dr_willis: you are right. I found that with mepis
[06:10] <unifi> but I was jsut at linux world
[06:10] <regeya> so says the wiki page suggesting boot disks:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RescueDiskHowto
[06:10] <lcdd> wow, my little sister already prefers ubuntu over windows ;) thanks guys
[06:10] <kent> red-nix, it has ide. I am using ide
[06:11] <unifi> and I talked to someone who was using ubuntu and it seemed to work
[06:11] <Atrophy> but now I'm gonna have a whole other load of issues...
[06:11] <ogami1972> uh oh
[06:11] <unifi> but now it doesnt
[06:11] <Atrophy> the other machine has a Radeon All In Wonder 7500 in it
[06:11] <insom> ogami yes useing a rawrite to make a boot disk with the img file that came on mandrake cd... it allows me to chose the device drom witch to install it from and it probes usb devices a as well
[06:11] <ogami1972> ?
[06:11] <Atrophy> which ATI doesn't make drivers for :-T
[06:11] <jaco> have u a link for an howto see asx, asf and so on under ubuntu?
[06:11] <Atrophy> so I'm thinking I'm gonna use the AIW 8500 drivers and hope for the best...
[06:11] <Atrophy> I'd really like to be able to watch tv on here...
[06:12] <unifi> atrophy...  can you let me know if you get that TV card working
[06:12] <unifi> I would like to do the same
[06:12] <Atrophy> lol I've been attempting to do this for 2 years now
[06:12] <unifi> ha
[06:12] <Atrophy> and I'm not very good at Linux so...
[06:12] <Atrophy> I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you
[06:12] <insom> ogami: is in't wierd?
[06:13] <unifi> ha thanx
[06:13] <Atrophy> the GATOS project says they can get your AIW 7500 working with Linux
[06:13] <unifi> I am working on figuring that problem out
[06:13] <aroman> what's up with hotplugging usb storage devices in ubuntu hoary? I plugged in my usb stick and it didn't get autodetected and mounted.
[06:13] <Echylo> hey is it possible to save streaming video on your pc?
[06:13] <Atrophy> but I have NO IDEA what to do with their files...
[06:13] <ogami1972> i didn't catch yer last message, but i'm assuming you said yes- where did you get the cd?
[06:13] <unifi> aroman SAMRE PROBLEM!!!
[06:13] <unifi> SAME*
[06:13] <insom> from ubuntu page
[06:13] <unifi> aroman: and the issues is warty wont even install on my computer
[06:13] <ogami1972> did you md5?
[06:13] <insom> md5?
[06:14] <aroman> unifi, eek...
[06:14] <ogami1972> or ummm... what is it- checksum?- sorry i just woke up
[06:14] <aroman> well it seems to get detected some times... but most times it doesn't
[06:14] <unifi> ROOM: Is anyone else having the USB hotplugging problem that aroman and I are having?
[06:14] <BiteMeBill> Why would ubuntu need to set up bicyclerepair?  LMAO
[06:14] <ogami1972> where's lathiat go?
[06:14] <insom> cheksum?
[06:14] <unifi> aroman: mine wont detect at all
[06:15] <Echylo> heeey is there a possibility to save streaming music ?
[06:15] <Echylo> like a radio?
[06:15] <Atrophy> btw in case anyone cares... the closest I've come to getting my TV card to work was on a stock Mandrake 10.1 system...
[06:15] <Atrophy> no idea why it seemed to like my card better.
[06:15] <Echylo> Atrophy, buy a tv & put it next to your pc
[06:15] <Echylo> :p
[06:15] <Atrophy> lol
[06:15] <ogami1972> when you download a distro, there is another file you can download to make sure your image is clean?
[06:15] <BiteMeBill> Dr_Willis: Did you watch some of the things that were getting setup and installed on that 100?
[06:15] <larsrohdin> hi! does anyone here know alot about Nestra?
[06:15] <Atrophy> yeah, but then I can't turn my 'puter into a dvr :-(
[06:15] <Echylo> why am I shooting questions in the air, and no one answers?
[06:15] <insom> ogami: donno
[06:15] <insom> not sure
[06:15] <ogami1972> believe it is *.md5
[06:16] <insom> but.. i did install it on my pc...
[06:16] <Atrophy> I care Echylo... I just don't know the answers ;-P
[06:16] <insom> not rouble...
[06:16] <unifi> echylo: whats your question?
[06:16] <unifi> yes I think there is...
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> BiteMeBill,  considering it took sveral HOURS..:P lol..  i dident pay much attention.
[06:16] <insom> the trouble is that there is no way to make a boot floppy that lets u install form usb cd rom
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> BiteMeBill,  seemed to be 100+ python things..
[06:16] <Echylo> can you save streaming music ?
[06:16] <Echylo> like an online radio
[06:16] <larsrohdin> anyone here know alot about Nestra?
[06:16] <unifi> have you done any research on it?
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> larsrohdin,  the nes emulator?
[06:17] <Atrophy> also... anybody know why the root account is disabled by default in ubuntu?
[06:17] <Echylo> no
[06:17] <Echylo> :p
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> Atrophy,  security.
[06:17] <larsrohdin> Dr_Willis, yes
[06:17] <BiteMeBill> Dr_Willis: I just looked over and it told me that it was setting up bicyclerepair.  I had to look twice to be sure what I was reading.
[06:17] <Echylo> lets get fx running then
[06:17] <Atrophy> yeah but it seems to me it makes it less secure
[06:17] <bob2> Atrophy: it's in the FAQ in the topic
[06:17] <larsrohdin> Dr_Willis, how can i play in fullscreen-mode?
[06:17] <Lathiat> BiteMeBill: heh, its a python related program, not actually anything to do with bicycle repair :)
[06:17] <HiddenWolf> boe?
[06:17] <bob2> Echylo: yes
[06:18] <vi11e> what was the other place to check messages than dmesg ?
[06:18] <Atrophy> I dunno... it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks and I'm used to root LOL
[06:18] <ogami1972> insom: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[06:18] <bob2> vi11e: syslog
[06:18] <Atrophy> I turn it on anyways...
[06:18] <ogami1972> whoops - not that
[06:18] <BiteMeBill> Lathiat: And here I thought it was going to open up a small shop or something.
[06:18] <bob2> ogami1972: yes, get the MD5SUM file from the same dir
[06:19] <vi11e> how to check it bob2 ? you know I get loads of these full of the dmesg always Inbound IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=212.242.208.178 DST=82.141.118.151 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=52 ID=24542 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=10219 DPT=6881 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 so I can't really see what troubles my softwares
[06:19] <bob2> that's from your firewall
[06:19] <ogami1972> http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/releases/4.10/
[06:19] <vi11e> yea, how can I disable those from dmesg
[06:19] <bob2> if you don't want it to log that stuff, configure it to not do it
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> larsrohdin,  not sure. :P i cant even find any nes roms handy to test it.
[06:19] <bob2> you can't disable it from dmesg
[06:19] <vi11e> hmm ok
[06:19] <unifi> atrophy, I dont know what I did but some how the drives were randomly recognized
[06:19] <bob2> aside from maybe making the printk level higher
[06:19] <ogami1972> or something like that- the point is maybe the the cdrom is broke
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> larsrohdin,  i tend to play the SNES emulators out there.
[06:19] <Atrophy> also... there's no way to uninstall Evolution without it taking gnome with it, is there?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> larsrohdin,  Most likely thers some command line option you use.
[06:20] <larsrohdin> Dr_Willis, http://vimm.net/vault/NES/index.php
[06:20] <bob2> Atrophy: sure there is
[06:20] <Atrophy> Synaptic says no
[06:20] <Atrophy> but ok I'm listening...
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> larsrohdin,   i got dvd's of the roms :P but cant find them lol.. theya re in a box somewhere
[06:20] <Lathiat> Atrophy: yes that will work fine, however it will remove the ubuntu-desktop package which means you may not get some future updates, especially if you ugprade to hoary etc and makes your system 'unsupported' -- You can just leave it installed and not use it, however
[06:20] <larsrohdin> Dr_Willis, yeah but in man nestra there is no such command
[06:21] <larsrohdin> it sucks playning in a tiny window=)
[06:21] <Atrophy> yeah, I just didn't wanna waste the hdd space on it
[06:21] <Atrophy> this sucker's on a tiny hard drive
[06:21] <bob2> how small is tiny?
[06:21] <Atrophy> well actually the one I'm moving it to now is an xbox hard drive so 10G
[06:22] <ogami1972> how goes it kirkt?
[06:22] <Atrophy> but the last one was 4G ;-)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> larsrohdin,  egads man.. get stuff from the newsgropus  - that site wanted to set like 23 cookies on my machine :P lol and 4 popup ads
[06:22] <larsrohdin> lol
[06:23] <larsrohdin> Dr_Willis, what other nes-emulators are there?
[06:23] <bob2> Atrophy: everything in the default install is 1.2GB
[06:23] <Atrophy> yeah...
[06:23] <Atrophy> but I'm not done with the default install
[06:23] <Atrophy> for instance, I refuse to live without Frozen Bubble
[06:23] <Atrophy> and if I get my dvr stuff working, I'll need HUGE amounts of space for taping shows
[06:24] <subterrific> larsrohdin: i use xmess
[06:24] <unifi> atrophy
[06:24] <larsrohdin> subterrific, ok ill give it a try
[06:24] <unifi> do you have a website or something
[06:24] <Atrophy> me?
[06:24] <Atrophy> nope...
[06:24] <unifi> I want to learn more about your dvr project
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> larsrohdin,  check out
[06:24] <subterrific> larsrohdin: the commandline is a little confusing you need to do xmess nes -cart ./Zelda.zip
[06:24] <Atrophy> it's not really a project... just a K6 750 and a AIW 7500
[06:24] <oly> i am trying to find the info on my tv card i have been told to check out this file /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/CARDLIST
[06:25] <subterrific> larsrohdin: the ./ is very important there
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> larsrohdin,  check out 'zophars domain' for the main lists.. ive rarely used nes emulators
[06:25] <Atrophy> in windoze I can get it to work just fine, but I'd prefer to do this legit ;-)
[06:25] <oly> but its not on my ubuntu system
[06:25] <unifi> yeah :)
[06:25] <rubixXx> can someone help me with the setup of webmin
[06:25] <unifi> what applications are you using?
[06:25] <oly> do i need to install something first or is it located else where ?
[06:25] <ogami1972> ok- off to work- bye all
[06:25] <Atrophy> on windoze I use the default ATI scheduler and it works GREAT
[06:25] <larsrohdin> ok, ill be back if it doesn't work=)
[06:26] <Atrophy> in linux I haven't tried anything yet cause I can't even get the TV to work
[06:26] <unifi> gotcha
[06:26] <Atrophy> but like I said I'm gonna try their 8500 drivers and hope for the bset
[06:26] <Atrophy> *best
[06:27] <unifi> hmmm gotcha
[06:27] <Atrophy> although I give it a 30% chance of working...
[06:28] <unifi> yeah I am gonna get a card soon
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> id frogotten about xmess. :P
[06:28] <unifi> to see if I can get it working
[06:29] <unifi> I want to do mythTV
[06:29] <Atrophy> oic
[06:29] <Atrophy> well if you get a newer ATI card then it'll work just fine
[06:29] <Atrophy> and I think the WinTV cards also work just fine
[06:29] <subterrific> xmess is pretty cool, it does some nice filtering on the graphics
[06:30] <pagefault> ubuntu works with my old ati tv wonder pci
[06:30] <Atrophy> ATI supports everything 8500 and newer... so of course I'd have to have onve version earlier... :-T
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. why is it - vi needs to be called by 'vim.org'  did i mess up somthing. or got a path set wrong lol
[06:30] <Atrophy> the card works, pagefault, just not the tv portion
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> I THOUGHt just earlier i used 'vi' to call it.
[06:30] <pagefault> Atrophy, really? works for me
[06:30] <subterrific> Dr_Willis: you've messed up
[06:31] <Atrophy> well then that gives me hope that maybe it might actually work
[06:31] <Atrophy> do you have the remote with it?
[06:31] <pagefault> I just can't use it right now because of ati's crappy xvideo support in dual monitor mode
[06:31] <pagefault> Atrophy, mine is remoteless
[06:31] <Atrophy> oic
[06:31] <Atrophy> no biggie... ATI has a separate remote program so I know that'll work
[06:31] <pagefault> linux picks it up as a bt878
[06:31] <Atrophy> assuming I can figure out how to install it...
[06:31] <pagefault> doesn't even say anything about being an ati card
[06:32] <unifi> pagefault
[06:32] <unifi> what app do you use to watch tv?
[06:32] <pagefault> unifi, currently using tvtime
[06:32] <Atrophy> the 878 is its chipset
[06:32] <Atrophy> in case you were wondering
[06:32] <Atrophy> which is good, cause maybe it'll also detect the 7500's chipset
[06:33] <pagefault> Atrophy, yeah
[06:33] <pagefault> ati's drivers don't support tv btw
[06:33] <pagefault> they are 2d/3d only
[06:33] <Atrophy> lol damn them...
[06:33] <Atrophy> "Fully supported under linux" my butt!!!
[06:33] <unifi> ha
[06:33] <pagefault> the kernel should support the tv out of the box in an ideal situation
[06:34] <Atrophy> nope
[06:34] <unifi> so how does one get mythtv to work?
[06:34] <pagefault> Atrophy, weird
[06:34] <Atrophy> and I've got a stack of discs here representing 25 different distros
[06:34] <unifi> I havent tried it but really want to... will have the time to get a project going in a couple of weeks
[06:34] <pagefault> I didn't do anything special to get mine working, it was automatically detected in ubuntu
[06:34] <unifi> ha
[06:34] <Atrophy> I've tried 'em all LOL
[06:34] <universal> can somebody tell med how to configure nvidia manually?
[06:34] <pagefault> and it just worked
[06:34] <unifi> dont we all atrophy
[06:34] <unifi> what ubuntu are you running?
[06:34] <pagefault> hoary
[06:34] <universal> wart
[06:34] <universal> y
[06:34] <Atrophy> that's good news, pagefault
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> nvidia's homepage has docs on how to get it going.. and lots of neat info.
[06:35] <Atrophy> maybe it'll autodetect my stuff too
[06:35] <pagefault> Atrophy, yeah it should
[06:35] <pagefault> I never bothered to try it in warty, I upgraded to hoary as soon as I installed ubuntu
[06:36] <Atrophy> oic
[06:36] <unifi> pagefault does mythtv include tvtime?
[06:36] <Atrophy> I will most likely do the same as soon as warty is done installing here...
[06:36] <unifi> do you do any pvr stuff?
[06:36] <unifi> I cant even get warty to install on my box
[06:36] <universal> Dr_Willis, ok, thx, but do you know how to ajust the drivers framerate manually and so....?
[06:36] <pagefault> unifi, no idea, I haven't tried using mythtv yet
[06:36] <pagefault> I just used apt-get to install tvtime out of universe
[06:36] <rubixXx> how do you restart a service
[06:36] <Atrophy> LOL my room looks like Dell exploded in it... I've got 4 computers in various stages of completion in here at the moment
[06:37] <pagefault> tvtime just lets you watch tv I don't think it lets you record anything
[06:37] <unifi> oh ok.
[06:38] <pagefault> I just use it because it has such a good deinterlacer
[06:38] <Atrophy> LOL soon as I get this working it's going to my girlfriend's house cause she's the only person I know that has analog cable LOL
[06:38] <rubixXx> how do you restart a service
[06:38] <pagefault> hehe I don't use mine with analog cable anymore
[06:38] <Atrophy> Don't know, rubixXx sorry...
[06:38] <rubixXx> its cool
[06:38] <pagefault> I have my digital cable box hooked up via s-video, it looks wonderful
[06:38] <rubixXx> i figured it would be along the lines "service webmin restart"
[06:38] <Lathiat> rubixXx: like this
[06:38] <Atrophy> how do you get it to switch channels to record a particular channel in digital cable?
[06:38] <Atrophy> I thought you couldn't do that
[06:38] <Lathiat> rubixXx: invoke-rc.d <service> restart
[06:39] <unifi> me too
[06:39] <pagefault> Atrophy, you change it on the box, or get an irblaster to work with your pvr software to change the channel
[06:39] <Atrophy> oic
[06:39] <Atrophy> yeah see that's useless to me then... what I need is a machine that can do everything itself on a $0 budget ;-)
[06:39] <pagefault> drives me nuts you can't get a digital cable card for your PC
[06:39] <pagefault> stupid proprietary crap
[06:40] <Atrophy> yeah Mediacom is at the forefront of that monstrosity
[06:40] <Atrophy> and they own everything around here...
[06:40] <Atrophy> they're almost as bad as SBC
[06:40] <obdreamer> Hi, I have installed Ubuntu (Warty W.) and it is great! My question is: Does Ubunto use the bytecode compiler to hint fonts (freetype)?
[06:40] <Atrophy> although I'm on SBC DSL now so I gues I should be quiet about that one
[06:41] <pagefault> well I get internet from my telco and my tv from my cable co
[06:41] <pagefault> cable internet is horrible here
[06:41] <bob2> obdreamer: /usr/share/doc/libfreetype6/changelog.Debian.gz
[06:41] <obdreamer> thanks bob2
[06:41] <rubixXx> anyone her eknow how to get proftpd working with webmin
[06:41] <Atrophy> lol cable internet is horrible everywhere
[06:41] <unifi> pagefault
[06:41] <Atrophy> DSL is the way to go...
[06:42] <unifi> so you  can or cant record digital cable?
[06:42] <unifi> sorry watch
[06:42] <Atrophy> you can but you can't change channels without the set top box
[06:42] <HiddenWolf> Athrophy, Here cable rocks.
[06:42] <pagefault> unifi, I can watch it if I input it though the s-video input on my card
[06:42] <pagefault> it looks as good as a DVD
[06:42] <Atrophy> cable only rocks if you don't live in a neighborhood with 7000 other people who have cable
[06:42] <pagefault> yeah
[06:42] <unifi> right and I live in nyc
[06:42] <unifi> so...
[06:43] <Atrophy> lol
[06:43] <pagefault> I was getting 20kb/sec at peak time on cable when I had it
[06:43] <Atrophy> yeah I'm in a huge apartment building in Springfield, MO
[06:43] <HiddenWolf> Athropy: Tell your ISP to use some new hardware. We haven't had those problems in years.
[06:43] <pagefault> on DSL it doesn't matter if it's peak time or not
[06:43] <pagefault> it's always fast :)
[06:43] <Atrophy> I don't have to tell my ISP anything... I'm on SBC Yahoo DSL and it R0XX0RZ!!!
[06:44] <pagefault> yeah i've had dsl for 2 years now and I haven't once had to phone them about anything
[06:44] <Atrophy> also, does anyone else think that "hoary" is kind of a bad choice in names for the OS?
[06:45] <unifi> ha
[06:45] <unifi> I think its kinda of a joke
[06:45] <pagefault> horny hedgehog
[06:45] <unifi> warty isnt much better
[06:45] <Atrophy> lol
[06:45] <HiddenWolf> Athrophy: I think it's stylish.
[06:45] <unifi> I was talking to an ubuntu developer at linux world the other day.. and he was saying the next one may be bendy
[06:45] <pagefault> I wouldn't care what it was called though, it's a good distro
[06:46] <HiddenWolf> Warty Warthog - Hoary Hedgehog - Grumpy Groundhog
[06:46] <unifi> pagefault are you really good with linux
[06:46] <thenuke> umm, I dont want to modprobe smc-ultra && ifup -a everytime I fire up the box, what to conf?
[06:46] <unifi> because i have tried alot of distros
[06:46] <unifi> and some have worked better than others
[06:46] <unifi> but ubuntu is rather middle of the road
[06:46] <Atrophy> lol I think they should stick with sexual innuendo
[06:46] <pagefault> unifi, yeah pretty good, I wouldn't call myself an expert at it but I have used it a lot
[06:46] <unifi> not great not horrible
[06:46] <pagefault> i've tried a ton of distros
[06:47] <Atrophy> warty, hoary, umm... how about slippy?
[06:47] <unifi> like right now my freaking usb wont recognize
[06:47] <pagefault> a lot of the hardware support has to do with the kernel they provide
[06:47] <vi11e> hey, what is there to do if my audio and video doesn't really sync?
[06:47] <pagefault> vi11e, tell your player not to use esd
[06:47] <Evaso> is there a way to regenerate fstab as on a new fresh installed ubuntu system?
[06:48] <unifi> well I am using the defualt one that comes with hoary
[06:48] <unifi> and it worked once
[06:48] <drasko> ERROR: There is no PostgreSQL database framework in /var/lib/postgres/data. Run initdb as the postgres user to create it. How to do this?
[06:48] <unifi> and now it isnt working anymore
[06:48] <vi11e> pagefault: ok I try!
[06:48] <vi11e> a minute
[06:48] <pagefault> use OSS or ALSA
[06:48] <unifi> atrophy how long have you been using linux?
[06:48] <pagefault> you might have to kill the esd for that to work if your soundcard doesn't support multiple outputs
[06:48] <vi11e> pagefault: I think I am using them already...
[06:48] <vi11e> how to kill it
[06:49] <pagefault> killall -9 esd
[06:49] <vi11e> hmm ok, what's -9?
[06:49] <pagefault> the signal to kill with
[06:49] <pagefault> it's the kill signal :)
[06:49] <CarlK> what .conf file do  put module options?
[06:49] <Atrophy> wow... "warty" is close to fully infecting my system... it's about freaking time!
[06:50] <vi11e> heh ok... I have changed the xine settings to use driver OSS but it didn't help, tried ALSA too
[06:50] <pagefault> vi11e, hmm what player are you using?
[06:50] <pagefault> oh xine
[06:50] <CarlK> vi11e - what does aplay -l show?
[06:50] <pagefault> hmm
[06:50] <Atrophy> hey is there any repository of ubuntu themes?  The default one is... well, ugly beyond all reason
[06:50] <pagefault> it sounds like something is buffering your soundcard output but I couldn't tell you what it was if it's not esd
[06:51] <housetier> Atrophy when you use the gnome desktop, there are lots of themes (and engines) you can try out
[06:51] <CarlK> vi11e - or mor correctly, does it say something other than "no soundcards found..."
[06:52] <pagefault> on a side note has anyone gotten the nforce2 audio driver from nvidia to work right with hoary?
[06:52] <vi11e> I have nforce 2 onboard card
[06:53] <pagefault> so do I
[06:53] <vi11e> hmm... how often that esd might become into a play?
[06:53] <pagefault> but the nvidia driver just locks up my system after playing a few sounds
[06:53] <vi11e> how often I need to kill it
[06:53] <pagefault> so I am using the default kernel one
[06:53] <pagefault> vi11e, everytime you reboot until you disable it
[06:54] <vi11e> hmm how do I disable it? apparently it helped... the sound is synced :)
[06:55] <calamari> hi
[06:55] <zenrox> hello calamari
[06:55] <pagefault> vi11e, I assume you are using gnome, so go to system | preferences | sound then uncheck load sound server on startup
[06:55] <sid77> ciao
[06:55] <calamari> I can print fine from open office and firefox.. but when I try to print from the gimp it gives me %!PS-Adobe-3.0  (etc)
[06:55] <calamari> hi zenrox
[06:56] <sander__> Any Hoary users know how well software suspend is working these days?
[06:56] <calamari> I tried changing the gimp line from lp to lpr (and fixing the settings) but it seems to forgot my changes
[06:56] <sleon|lap> hallo i have stupid question to custom chains: for example i created a custom chain and then at the top of the input chain i redirect packets to this custom chain, will they then come back if none of rules in the custom chain could match them?
[06:56] <HiddenWolf> sander__ sorry, but still not perfect
[06:56] <pagefault> ville, you should also change your output to OSS or ALSA in multimedia systems selector in the preferences panel
[06:57] <sleon|lap> hallo i have stupid question to custom chains: for example i created a custom chain and then at the top of the input chain i redirect packets to this custom chain, will they then come back if none of rules in the custom chain could match them?
[06:57] <sander__> HiddenWolf, just checking. I have just about everything else working under Debian unstable, but that would really swing me to Hoary. I know it's more of a goal, so I was wondering how it was going. Thanks for the update.
[06:58] <calamari> any ideas how to print from gimp?  maybe I need to run some kind of postscript conversion?
[06:58] <calamari> or should I just save the image and print it from firefox?
[06:58] <vi11e> really big thanks to you pagefault! \o/
[06:59] <pagefault> vi11e, no problem :)
[06:59] <Atrophy> woohoo!!!
[06:59] <Atrophy> all of hoary's base are belong to me!
[07:00] <vi11e> well, I got another multimedia related issue.. I have ati radeon 9600 card.. don't know if it has anything to do with that or some missing libraries.. but when I try watch some dvd's, the picture is just a random pixels here and there :S but then some other dvd's works fine.. :)
[07:00] <vi11e> but well, now I am good to go for some films at least :)
[07:00] <pagefault> vi11e, hehe, wish I could say the same, I can't see movies under dual head setup until ATI fixes their driver
[07:00] <Atrophy> ok next question... the flash plugin for Firefox doesn't display my homepage right under linux but it does under windoze
[07:00] <Atrophy> is that fixable?
[07:01] <vi11e> oh :S
[07:01] <pagefault> thankfully mplayer works though
[07:02] <t325> Hello, I can't remember one thing about rpmdrake: when I click cancel during the dling of packages, will they be removed (I'd like to unselect one pkg but not to restart dling all)
[07:02] <Atrophy> lol where did everyone go?
[07:02] <calamari> dunno
[07:02] <dwr> i have a question about my windows partition in ubuntu, is this the correct forum for such questions?
[07:02] <pagefault> dwr, yes
[07:02] <Atrophy> anybody know about the flash plugin for firefox?
[07:02] <dwr> ok, the windows partition is gone
[07:02] <t325> excuse me wrong channel
[07:02] <pagefault> dwr, gone?
[07:03] <CarlK> I got http://krecipes.sourceforge.net tarbal, make, make install - app runs, works good.  but in the app, Help doesn't do anything.  is there some help viewer I need to install?
[07:03] <dwr> which tool to use to get it back? a friend of mine installed it
[07:03] <dwr> yeah, i can't find the shortcuts he added
[07:03] <pagefault> dwr, you mean it's been deleted? or you want to be able to see it in linux?
[07:03] <dwr> oh yeah, not physically gone
[07:03] <dwr> i hope..
[07:03] <drasko>  I get Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/moodle/index.php on line 3... Does this function even exist?
[07:03] <dwr> i want to see it in linux
[07:03] <dwr> (need my mp3 files :)
[07:03] <Atrophy> lol
[07:04] <Atrophy> is it an ntfs partition?
[07:04] <dwr> drasko, of course, how's that?
[07:04] <dwr> Atrophy, yes
[07:04] <calamari> Atrophy: when you right click a running flash animation, there are usually some options, like "About Flash Player".. I think there are some basic settings in there.
[07:04] <pagefault> dwr, well you can mount it manually by typing sudo /dev/<partition number> (probably hda1) /somedirectory
[07:04] <Atrophy> last I heard you can just mount it and it will work fine for read access but not write access
[07:04] <dwr> when i partitioned my hard drive, i should have added more space to the linux partition :)
[07:04] <pagefault> for example sudo mount /dev/hda1 /windows
[07:04] <Atrophy> ok it's gonna be a while...
[07:05] <dwr> ok, how do i mount it permanently?
[07:05] <pagefault> that would mount the first partition of the first drive on directory /windows
[07:05] <marcin_ant> hi all
[07:05] <Atrophy> Synaptic is on (File 116 of 835)
[07:05] <dwr> is there a tool with non-text interface? :)
[07:05] <Atrophy> lol
[07:05] <dwr> pagefault, that's probably the one
[07:05] <Atrophy> dwr yes there is, but I don't know if it's installed in ubuntu by default ;-)
[07:05] <marcin_ant> do you guys know if it is possible to print over bluetooth on ubuntu ?
[07:06] <pagefault> dwr, if you want to mount it automatically you need to edit /etc/fstab
[07:06] <Atrophy> although sudo mount /dev/hda1 /windows is only one line of code
[07:06] <Atrophy> LOL
[07:06] <Atrophy> or you could move all your mp3s to another computer and then have loads of fun trying to get Samba working!
[07:06] <kirkt> yo.. i did base install, now how do i install the gnome and xorg server ?
[07:07] <kirkt> apt-get install gnome doesnt work
[07:07] <Atrophy> lol
[07:07] <Atrophy> base install comes with gnome, doesn't it?
[07:07] <pagefault> dwr, add this line to /etc/stab /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    ro              0       0
[07:08] <pagefault> err fstab
[07:08] <kirkt> oh
[07:08] <kirkt> i ment
[07:08] <kirkt> the server install
[07:08] <dwr> fstab contains:
[07:08] <dwr> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000       0      $
[07:08] <pagefault> dwr, note you can write to NTFS if you change ro to rw but I highly recommend against it
[07:08] <dwr> $ = 1
[07:08] <zeki> could anybody help me i  installed fluxbox but i can't switch to it
[07:08] <Atrophy> W00t!!!  Bob Ross is on!!!
[07:08] <dwr> pagefault, only need to read
[07:09] <Atrophy> Happy trees!!!
[07:09] <pagefault> dwr, it looks like your friend automatically set it up
[07:09] <pagefault> you should be able to see your windows drive in /mnt/windows
[07:09] <dwr> hmm.. true
[07:09] <dwr> then it's only the shortcuts that have been tampered with
[07:10] <dwr> the shortcuts on which i rely so profoundly
[07:10] <dwr> i used to have a shortcut in the "places" menu
[07:10] <zeki> how do i switch from gnome to fluxbox
[07:10] <dwr> wonder where it went
[07:10] <zeki> or icewm
[07:10] <pagefault> dwr, no idea
[07:11] <Atrophy> I haven't had the chance to play with ubuntu too much yet
[07:11] <Atrophy> is there a LinNeighborhood for it?
[07:11] <Lathiat> zeki: when you login with GDM
[07:11] <Lathiat> Atrophy: open 'Network Servers' in computer
[07:11] <Atrophy> k
[07:12] <Lathiat> zeki: you can select the session time
[07:12] <Atrophy> groovy
[07:12] <pagefault> dwr, however you can drag /mnt/windows to your desktop and have a shortcut to it
[07:12] <kirkt> how can i make the server install i have here fetch gnome and install from the CDROM ?
[07:12] <Lathiat> zeki: if it is not there, you can create a custom ~/.Xsession, make it executable and a shell script that runs your WM of choice
[07:12] <Atrophy> and does it come with SWAT?
[07:12] <zeki> yes but there is no option fluxbox
[07:12] <Atrophy> or does Network Servers take care of all that?
[07:12] <Blurpy> hi, what is port 1025, and why is it open?
[07:12] <Lathiat> what does SWAT do?
[07:12] <Atrophy> samba web administration
[07:13] <Lathiat> yes but to do what
[07:13] <Lathiat> there are tols in gnome to configure samba
[07:13] <Atrophy> it will set everything about your samba conf file
[07:13] <Atrophy> with a user friendly gui
[07:13] <Atrophy> and since it's web, you can do it remotely
[07:13] <rubixXx> are there any ftp servers with a nice friendly gui to configure them
[07:13] <Atrophy> not sure why you'd need to do it remotely, but you could if you wanted
[07:13] <Atrophy> lol
[07:14] <spiral> fabbione: hello ???
[07:15] <Atrophy> man this is gonna take FOREVER to upgrade...
[07:16] <JDahl> rubixXx, the proftp server is pretty easy to configure without a GUI... it works out of the box without tweaking, but if you need something special it shouldnt be hard to figure out
[07:16] <Atrophy> does anyone know if there's a konfabulator for linux?
[07:16] <Atrophy> there's one called kapsules for windoze but I'm not sure if it had a linux version
[07:17] <rubixXx> ok
[07:17] <Lathiat> Atrophy: possibly you are looking for something like gdesklets?
[07:17] <Atrophy> ok, what languages can they be written in?
[07:17] <Atrophy> (konfabulator widgets are javascript with some xml)
[07:18] <Atrophy> and I forget what kapsules are...
[07:18] <Lathiat> gdesklets are python
[07:18] <dwr> pagefault, thanks for the help!
[07:18] <Lathiat> i dont know if its the same thing tho, not knowing exactly what konfab is
[07:19] <dwr> gotta go drink some beer
[07:19] <dwr> it's nearly 7 30 pm here
[07:19] <dwr> bye
[07:19] <dtudosie> hi, does anybody know how can I make an application (e.g, gnucash) use the gnome lookandfeel ?
[07:20] <zenrox> dtudosie, it allready does
[07:20] <paulproteus> dtudosie: If it's a KDE program, then it can; look into Qt-GTK.
[07:20] <dtudosie> in ubuntu, it doesn't
[07:20] <paulproteus> If it's an older "GTK1" program, you're doomed.
[07:20] <Atrophy> konfabulator is a thing for os x/windows that lets you put little widgets all over the screen that do helpful stuff like movie times/google search/etc
[07:20] <kirkt> does desktop-base include openoffice ??
[07:20] <Atrophy> system monitor, whois... stuff like that
[07:20] <Echylo> what is default burning program?
[07:21] <zenrox> nautilus
[07:21] <rubixXx> whats the apt-get package name for gproftpd
[07:21] <Riddell> Echylo: k3b is best
[07:21] <zenrox> ya k3b is the best
[07:21] <JDahl> rubixXx, apt-cache search proftp
[07:22] <MrOK> hi people
[07:22] <paulproteus> Hello.
[07:22] <Atrophy> hi MrOK
[07:22] <Atrophy> LOL "Hi, Dr. Nick!"
[07:23] <MrOK> I want to try Ubuntu,any suggestments ?
[07:23] <Echylo> k;
[07:23] <Atrophy> yes... get Ubuntu...
[07:23] <Atrophy> ;-)
[07:23] <MrOK> :)
[07:24] <zenrox> lol
[07:24] <rubixXx> Mr0k, the usb support sin't quite par on some keyboards
[07:24] <rubixXx> so make sure you got a ps2 adapter handy
[07:24] <MrOK> really, thanks
[07:24] <rubixXx> if your new to linux, try mandrake, it'll be easier for you to pick up, however if you know your way around ubuntu is nice
[07:25] <Atrophy> lol or you could do like I do and get yourself a mobo with an OLDSKOOL keyboard plug
[07:25] <Atrophy> the BIG ones...
[07:25] <Atrophy> man I think Ubuntu is easier to update than Mandrake though
[07:26] <Atrophy> and that's the major reason I hate most distros is their sucky update managers
[07:26] <MrOK> Ubuntu can use debian packets without any modifications
[07:26] <Lathiat> Atrophy: In my experience, the debian/ubuntu update system far surpasses anything else I've used since i started using it in 2001
[07:26] <zenrox> Atrophy,  i agree
[07:26] <MrOK> ?
[07:26] <markuman> hello, i've got a noob question. with apt-get install i can install packages, but how can i uninstall?
[07:26] <Lathiat> MrOK: usually
[07:26] <Atrophy> like up2date... it sucks.  And blows.  Which doesn't seem physiologically possible...
[07:26] <markuman> with apt-get remove ???
[07:26] <Lathiat> MrOK: the entire debian archive is available
[07:26] <Lathiat> MrOK: outside packages will probably work, but sometimes you might get dependencies issues if they compiled against an older version of some package
[07:26] <zenrox> MrOK,  and that adds 35000+ apps
[07:26] <Atrophy> exactly Lathiat
[07:27] <Atrophy> ubuntu > all when it comes to trying to update
[07:27] <Echylo> why doesn't it installs k3b
[07:27] <Echylo> it gives me errors
[07:27] <MrOK> very very good but update is free ?
[07:27] <regeya> ?
[07:27] <zenrox> Echylo,  whats it erroring out on
[07:27] <rubixXx> markuman): apt-get --remove --purge <packagename>
[07:27] <regeya> more vague please
[07:28] <rubixXx> MrOK): yes it is
[07:28] <Atrophy> I have heard that they fixed up2date in Fedora Core 3, but the freaking ISO is no good even though the md5 checks out
[07:28] <Echylo> depends: k3blibs but is not going to be installed etc
[07:28] <Atrophy> so now I have 2 VERY expensive coasters... grrr
[07:28] <zenrox> Echylo, hmmm dep probs
[07:28] <Echylo> yea
[07:28] <Echylo> alot
[07:29] <Echylo> same hen I try ito install kde
[07:29] <regeya> Echyo, replace 'etc' with actual errors :-)
[07:29] <Echylo> you must be kidding
[07:29] <Echylo> that would take ages :p
[07:29] <regeya> Echylo even
[07:29] <markuman> thx rubixXx
[07:29] <Echylo> no
[07:29] <Echylo> all kde things
[07:29] <regeya> Echylo, you'd like an answer, no?
[07:29] <Echylo> yes
[07:29] <MrOK> how many people use ubuntu in the world ? as a destop or server ?
[07:29] <Echylo> what would u answer
[07:30] <Echylo> it's all kde errors
[07:30] <Echylo> it's like kde3libs, kcontrol etc
[07:30] <Tomcat_> MrOK: No way to find out. :)
[07:30] <regeya> Echylo, my answer to 'etc' would be 'worksforme'
[07:30] <Atrophy> MrOK: It's a lot though
[07:30] <MrOK> Tomcat_ : :), I will count :)
[07:30] <regeya> somewhere in there will be a major clue
[07:30] <Echylo> no it wouldn't help you if I gave you all the errors
[07:30] <Lathiat> regeya: class :)
[07:30] <dtyge1> hi all :)
[07:31] <zenrox> hello dtyge1
[07:31] <zenrox> and welcome
[07:31] <Atrophy> lol
[07:31] <dtyge1> Is someone out there used to accents in ubuntu?
[07:31] <regeya> Echylo: I'm guessing that somewhere in there, YES, there's a clue as to what is blocking the installation
[07:31] <Tomcat_> MrOK: You can check the popularity of distros on http://distrowatch.com/, but it's not 100% correct :)
[07:31] <regeya> Echylo: but since you're sure that won't help, eh, *shrug*
[07:31] <dtyge1> charsets...
[07:31] <Echylo> omg
[07:31] <geppy> My RAM is almost completely full;  whenever I close a program, my RAM fills with cache.  Is this bad?
[07:32] <zenrox> geppy,  nope
[07:32] <geppy> (three 512 sticks of RAM)
[07:32] <geppy> Alright, cool.
[07:32] <Echylo> you are talking yourself around without giving any suggestion
[07:32] <zenrox> linux uses ram diferently than windows
[07:32] <JsPr> dtyge1, I swedish so yes :-)
[07:32] <geppy> zenrox:  Alright. =)
[07:32] <geppy> I just wasn't sure whether I should be scared, or not.
[07:32] <rubixXx> how do you search the local apt-get cache
[07:32] <regeya> Echylo: I'd be willing to bet that there's some package that hasn't finished configuring, or you've got something installed that conflicts with something k3b needs
[07:32] <geppy> rubixXx: apt-cache search foo
[07:32] <dtyge1> jspr: I'm having a problem: I mounted a hda4 device with -o iocharset=iso8859-1...
[07:32] <regeya> Echylo: WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE EXACT ERROR IS, that's the closest you're going to get
[07:33] <MrOK> I will setup a comp. lab. of a college, there are about 30-40 computers, Ubuntu ca be a good choice ?
[07:33] <Echylo> don't start to shout
[07:33] <Echylo> it won't help
[07:33] <zenrox> geppy, it will fill ram up then use the swap unlike win whare it will fill the swap then complain that it ran out of ram
[07:33] <aplsin> is there a way to use newlie installed fonts (put in ~/.fonts) without restarting gnome?
[07:33] <regeya> Echylo, IHBT?
[07:33] <rubixXx> geppy): that searches remote, not LOCAL
[07:33] <Echylo> nvm
[07:33] <geppy> zenrox:  haha
[07:33] <Echylo> I'm out
[07:33] <geppy> rubixx:  Really?
[07:33] <dtyge1> jspr: but when I open it through nautilus and double-click an accented file which was saved with m$word, Openoffice doesn't recognize it filename!
[07:34] <rubixXx> yes
[07:34] <regeya> Echylo: I can only surmise that you're trolling for flames, because I'm telling you what you need to provide to get a better answer, and instead you're posting comments as if you're ticked off.  I can only guess that you're trolling or mightily thick.
[07:34] <dtyge1> jspr: When I'm inside OpenOffice and choose "open", I can open the files withou any problem!
[07:34] <geppy> And every time that I boot, "famd" takes up ~96% of my CPU power.  I'm not sure what process requires a "file alteration monitor", but it's kind of obnoxious in that I have to kill it if I ever want to run anything else.
[07:34] <regeya> forget this...I'm out.
[07:34] <dtyge1> Is that a configuration problem in nautilus or gnome?
[07:34] <JsPr> dtyge1, I believe Gnome is utf8. what is your locale
[07:34] <zOap> Hey, i need some help with my graphic card and hoary... In wharty it works fine, but in hoary i get only 640x480. It's a S3 Virge MX... How do i install the driver or verify it?
[07:34] <subterrific> anyone here good with Makefiles?
[07:34] <lcdd> MrOK: at least redhat's and its derivatives' kickstart is functional. so is suse's autoyast. it don't know if debian has any decent way of bootstrapping systems over the network
[07:35] <zenrox> geppy, dont know i had that a little bit when i was running warty
[07:35] <dtyge1> jspr: I typed locale-charmap in gnome terminal, and it said iso8859-1
[07:35] <aplsin> "killall -HUP nautilus" did it :)
[07:35] <dtyge1> jspr: where do I see if gnome is set to utf-8?
[07:35] <geppy> zenrox:  So, when I go back to Hoary, it shouldn't do that?
[07:35] <anima> hello people :x
[07:35] <anima> I'm having one of those problems with ubuntu linux
[07:35] <zenrox> geppy,  nope it shouldent
[07:35] <dtyge1> jspr: I'm running warty.
[07:35] <dtyge1> hi anima.
[07:36] <geppy> zenrox: Much thanks!
[07:36] <dtyge1> hi zenrox (only now I saw your saluting: sorry!)
[07:36] <anima> in fact I wanted to change the user name that I set up at the start (e.g: seb) into anima
[07:36] <zenrox> anima,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:36] <anima> and...now I can't use anything
[07:36] <MrOK> lcdd : thanks
[07:36] <dtudosie> (about gnucash and gtk)  it uses gtk 1.2 I'm not sure what version is using gnome but I saw that program looks fine in mandrake...
[07:36] <zenrox> dtyge1,  its ok
[07:36] <dtyge1> :)
[07:37] <dtyge1> jspr?
[07:37] <grogoreo> hi
[07:37] <Atrophy> how do you make the playlist window stick to the main window of XMMS?
[07:37] <JsPr> dtyge1, I'm running warty. I have utf8 as my locale. You will have to convert the file named from iso8859-1 to utf8 if you want to use it. What happens if you mount hda4 with utf8?
[07:37] <anima> okay, got it
[07:37] <zOap> Anyone know how to probe the s3 virge mx in hoary? it wont work...
[07:37] <anima> thx people
[07:37] <anima> I'll try the method... :(
[07:37] <zenrox> n/p anima
[07:37] <grogoreo> I'm running the Ubuntu live cd and I need to mount the floppy drive. Can someone please tell me how to?
[07:37] <anima> if it works I'll come back
[07:37] <Atrophy> when I move the main window I'd like the other window to move with it, and it's odcked, but it doesn't stick
[07:37] <dtyge1> The problem is that I'm sharing this device with window$ computers!
[07:37] <JsPr> aaaaah
[07:38] <dtyge1> jspr: isn't windows 8859-1?
[07:38] <JsPr> fat32?
[07:38] <dtyge1> jspr yeah.
[07:38] <rubixXx> i got a bunch of ftp daemon crap installe dfrom apt-ge tand apt-get wont remove it because its not configured
[07:38] <JsPr> I thing windows is 1252 or something. If you share with XP why don't you try and mount with utf8 just for fun?
[07:39] <dtyge1> jspr: I'm sharing with win2000 and win98... :(
[07:39] <JsPr> try utf8 anyway?
[07:39] <dtyge1> jspr: ok, I'll try it... wait a minute
[07:39] <anima> hmm
[07:39] <anima> another question
[07:39] <zOap> Noone know how to choose video card in ubuntu? I have a s3 virge mx and it wont work, only 640x480. In wharty it works fine...
[07:40] <zenrox> ask away anima
[07:40] <anima> how can I "boot" a printer that's on a windows lan network
[07:40] <rubixXx> anima): samba
[07:40] <lcdd> does anyone know why ubuntu's CUPSd does not listen for printer advertisements from the network by default?
[07:40] <anima> (I've got my printer on the "gateway", if I can call it this way)
[07:40] <anima> rubixXx> I know, but how? :] 
[07:40] <rubixXx> lcdd): its a security thing
[07:40] <rubixXx> anima): google it
[07:40] <anima> I want to print something w\ openoffice
[07:40] <zOap> Am i invisible?
[07:40] <JDahl> rubixXx, you did "sudo apt-get install proftpd"? that's working without problems for me in the past
[07:40] <anima> rubixXx> samba is all set
[07:40] <anima> that's no problem
[07:40] <zenrox> anima, then go to the printer config in gnome
[07:41] <anima> zenrox> ahah
[07:41] <anima> problem is: I f*cked up my "first user"
[07:41] <zenrox> dont need to be root for it i think
[07:41] <anima> I know I'm good...
[07:41] <zenrox> lol
[07:42] <anima> ok got it
[07:42] <zOap> I understand if you guys can't help me with my problem, but you could atleast have the courtesy to give me a hint where to find the info... This is not what I call a "good" support channel"...
[07:42] <zenrox> zOap, go to www.ubuntuguide.org or www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[07:43] <zOap> zen, did so, couldnt find any info
[07:43] <zenrox> zOap,  and if you hang out long enuff some one will be bale to help
[07:43] <zenrox> silence just meas noone knows how to help you
[07:44] <zenrox> zOap,  does that help
[07:44] <zenrox> zOap, warty or hoary
[07:45] <zOap> zenrox, I have been into this channel several times the last days. Many of the times I've been here for hours, asking my question frequently. no answer. And I can't imagine noone of you knows how to choose video card. I would think that is one of the simple things... I'm a newbie though.. hoary...
[07:45] <JDahl> zOap, first make sure that all XFree86 stuff is purged. Then try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:45] <JsPr> dtyge1, any positive news?? :-)
[07:45] <zOap> JDahl, purged?
[07:45] <Torakiky> who know how to get xine-lib?
[07:45] <zenrox> zOap, ya what JDahl  said
[07:46] <JDahl> zOap, then stap yourself in the eye for switching to Hoary when you dont know how to purge packages and use apt
[07:47] <zOap> JDahl, I don't have any eyes... I'm blind... I get error: conflict when i do the dpkg..
[07:48] <zOap> JDah, actually: Conflict in action --control and --remove
[07:49] <rubixXx> how do you start or stop a service again
[07:49] <anima> works perfectly now :] 
[07:49] <anima> thanks people
[07:49] <anima> I recovered the "access"
[07:49] <JDahl> zOap, I think the largest hurdle when switching from Warty to Hoary is to remove XFree86 in favour of Xorg... try marking xserver-xfree86 for deletion in aptitude and see if it will be able to resolve dependencies - that will be a start.
[07:50] <zOap> JDahl, ok. I'll try that. thanx
[07:51] <Lathiat> JDahl: synaptic will do that for you
[07:51] <Lathiat> if you just upgrade
[07:51] <JDahl> Lathiat, I had to do it manually when I upgraded, but that's a long time ago...
[07:52] <Lathiat> JDahl: thats probably because you either a) didnt have ubuntu-desktop installed or b) it was broken at the time, it works fine now
[07:52] <koloqrilizm> Can anyone tell me where the 2.6.8 kernel headers are located when ubuntu is installed?
[07:53] <rubixXx> i try to remove gforge-ftp-proftpd and it constantly fails while trying to configure lapd during the REMOVAL, this makes no sense to me....
[07:54] <Lathiat> rubixXx: thats because your package database is in a broken state
[07:54] <rubixXx> dpkg -f install doesn't work
[07:54] <Lathiat> try removing lapd first
[07:54] <Lathiat> or even at the same time
[07:56] <JsPr> koloqrilizm, /usr/src?
[07:56] <zOap> JDahl, Ok I'm now trying to use xfree86.. I have another q if  you can answer it: I need to use ProTools Free for win98. I've found wine to be somewhat unreliable. Is there any other emulation software for win98 which can do  the job?
[07:56] <rubixXx> E: Couldn't find package lapd
[07:57] <rubixXx> zOap): what does prtools do
[07:57] <dtyge1> jspr: I tried and it didn't work. Maybe it has something to do with long filenames? The app (openoffice) just says that it doesn't exist!
[07:57] <JDahl> zOap, You dont want to use xfree86 (and Lathiat is right; it shouldnt be intalled). You want to use Xorg. I dont know anything protools
[07:57] <koloqrilizm> JsPr, i wish, friend
[07:57] <dtyge1> jspr: does ubuntu convert long filenames to unicode?
[07:57] <dtyge1> ...for example, converting spaces do %20?
[07:58] <hikaru79> Is it generally reccomended to upgrade to linux-686 if you have a 686 processor?
[07:58] <zOap> rubixx, it's an professional audio software. Protools free however is a lightversion. OK, but xfree wasnt installed at all..
[07:58] <JsPr> dtyge1, can you open from within OO?
[07:58] <JsPr> dtyge1, I believe Gnome does
[07:58] <dtyge1> jspr: yes!
[07:58] <dtyge1> jspr: it opens normally from within oo
[07:58] <zOap> JDahl, xfree wasnt installed...
[07:58] <dtyge1> jspr: maybe the problem is unicode?
[07:58] <JsPr> dtyge1, I believe it is
[07:59] <dtyge1> jspr: have you tried that? To open a long filename with accents through double-click in nautilus?
[07:59] <hikaru79> Is it generally reccomended to upgrade to linux-686 if you have a 686 processor?
[07:59] <JDahl> zOap, and still only 640x480 res? try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:59] <dtyge1> jspr: so there is no solution to that?
[07:59] <JsPr> dtyge1, I have my locale set to utf8 and have no problems.
[07:59] <JsPr> dtyge1, when I had locale set to 8859-1 I had the same prob
[07:59] <dtyge1> how do you set the locale to utf8?
[08:00] <JsPr> dtyge1, hold
[08:00] <zOap> JDahl, i did that. and i got the error : conflict in action, --control and --remove..
[08:00] <abelli> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:00] <rubixXx> Lathiat): lapd isn't installed
[08:00] <abelli> AA what can be the problem?
[08:00] <GPRIME666> how do I install a .bn?
[08:00] <Lathiat> rubixXx: well what package is it trying to configure then?
[08:00] <JsPr> dpkg-reconfigure locales and follow the instructions
[08:00] <GPRIME666> .bin*
[08:00] <JsPr> dtyge1, dpkg-reconfigure locales and follow the instructions
[08:01] <Lathiat> rubixXx: you could try dpkg -r lapd
[08:01] <JsPr> dtyge1, sudo first
[08:01] <dtyge1> jspr: and it works ok with windows files?
[08:01] <GPRIME666> I downloaded a .bin file, how do Install the program withing
[08:01] <GPRIME666> within*
[08:01] <rubixXx> Lathiat): may i PM you
[08:01] <JsPr> dtyge1, I don't know. I don't use windows... :-)
[08:01] <zOap> JDahl, actually, any dpkg responds with the conflict error..
[08:02] <Lathiat> rubixXx: hang 5, bbs
[08:02] <JDahl> zOap, try "sudo apt-get install -f"
[08:02] <Torakiky> who can help me?
[08:02] <zOap> ok
[08:02] <rubixXx> Lathiat): ?
[08:02] <Torakiky> who can help me?
[08:02] <rubixXx> Torakiky): just ask your question
[08:02] <JsPr> dtyge1, you can change locale and try. Y can allways change back.
[08:02] <Torakiky> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:02] <GPRIME666> why can't anyone help me
[08:03] <Torakiky> what does it mean?
[08:03] <rubixXx> apt-get install g++
[08:03] <JDahl> zOap, there could be some pending packages with buggy configuration scripts that's blocking apt
[08:03] <darksatanic> GPRIME666: What do the instructions for installing it say?
[08:03] <dtyge1> jspr: I have two choices of utf8. Which one is better? It also says I can choose more than one choice...
[08:03] <GPRIME666> nothing
[08:03] <Torakiky> rubixXx: done
[08:03] <rubixXx> try ./configure again
[08:03] <GPRIME666> i'm trying to install Java
[08:03] <Torakiky> but it continues to give me the same error
[08:03] <JsPr> dtyge1, what choices?
[08:03] <rubixXx> GPRIME666): get the java runtime file from java.sun.com and then chmod +x the bin file then run it
[08:04] <dtyge1> jspr: choices are: aa_ER@saaho UTF-8 or aa_ER UTF-8. There is also a iso8859-1 choice.
[08:04] <GPRIME666> rubixXx, ok I chmoded the .bin of the java, now what
[08:04] <rubixXx> sh *.bin
[08:04] <JsPr> dtyge1, don't know. What does aa stand for? Perhaps try both?
[08:05] <darksatanic> GPRIME666: Run the file.
[08:05] <darksatanic> GPRIME666: ./j2sdk-1x.y.whateveritis.bin
[08:05] <GPRIME666> rubixXx, thanks for helping
[08:05] <rubixXx> GPRIME666): np man
[08:05] <Dull404> .
[08:06] <rubixXx> Lathiat): just msg me when you get back, i get it now
[08:06] <JDahl> are there legal problems with providing a wrapper package for Suns jre (like the one debian has for non-free flash?) It would seem to make the life easier for a lot of people...
[08:06] <Lathiat> rubixXx: back
[08:06] <Dull404> Is ShoreWall worth trying? since there is no firewall included... .?
[08:06] <dtyge1> jspr: ok.
[08:07] <ceu> Dull404: yes, it's a good script
[08:07] <darksatanic> JDahl: There is one. It's called java-package
[08:07] <Lathiat> Dull404: if you really want a firewall, firestarter is nice
[08:07] <Lathiat> Dull404: has a nice gtk2 gui
[08:07] <Dull404> ceu, ok
[08:07] <rubixXx> Lathiat): wb then :-)
[08:07] <Dull404> Lathiat, but its not out for ubuntu yet...... only debian
[08:08] <JsPr> dtyge1, don't forget to at least restart gnome after switching locales. Just to be on the safe side.
[08:08] <Lathiat> Dull404: its in universe
[08:08] <Lathiat> Dull404: see www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/SynapticHowTo
[08:08] <Lathiat> Dull404: (for how to enable universe archive)
[08:08] <kirkt> ubuntu ub-un-tu.. apt-get ubuntu, apt-get gdm.. dum dum
[08:08] <Dull404> Lathiat, ah ok. thank u!
[08:09] <rubixXx> Lathiat): may i pm u the error
[08:09] <dtyge1> jspr: things are strange. It seems like aa is a language from some country: I installed it and pt-BR. But when I chose the environment to be pt-BR (my language: portuguese brazilian), it installed pt-BR.ISO-8859-1!
[08:09] <Lathiat> rubixXx: sure
[08:10] <kirkt> WH0000TT... I JUST INSTALLED FRIKIING UBUNTU PROPERLY !!!
[08:10] <dtyge1> jspr: I think I should just upgrade to hoary beta, since it is totally utf8, what do you think? are you using?
[08:10] <hikaru79> Good job, kirkt :)
[08:10] <neighbor> kirkt, well kewl man ;00
[08:10] <kirkt> YEAAAA
[08:10] <kirkt> BABY
[08:11] <kirkt> ONLY 800MB
[08:11] <rubixXx> dtyge1): i am and it works nice
[08:11] <carthik_work> would have taken you 4 days to say that of gentoo ;)
[08:11] <neighborlee> carthik_work, ROFL
[08:11] <JsPr> dtyge1, I use warty. My locale is sv_SE.UTF-8. wait a minute...
[08:11] <dtyge1> rubixXx: yes, I think I will (it frightens me though :)
[08:11] <kirkt> oh
[08:11] <kirkt> damn
[08:11] <kirkt> Xserver stuck
[08:12] <dtyge1> (no drums anymore...)
[08:12] <kirkt> hmm
[08:12] <Dull404> Lathiat, Im using Hoary, with the latest synaptic.. when i try the menu it checks for repos, then closes.... i cant enable/change
[08:12] <kirkt> when i installed the server
[08:12] <kirkt> i did apt-get gdm
[08:12] <JDahl> darksatanic, thanks... I found a link here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:12] <kirkt> then apt-get xserver-xorg thingies
[08:12] <kirkt> is there more apt-get i need ??
[08:12] <rubixXx> dtyge1): its not unstable, as some say, but the newest stable version of the OS
[08:12] <ceu> with a desktop pc, shouldn't be used anacron instead of cron?
[08:13] <dtyge1> rubixXx: did you install apache-php-mysql?
[08:13] <rubixXx> no
[08:13] <JsPr> dtyge1, there is an entry in dkpg that is pt_BR.UTF8. Try that??
[08:13] <dtyge1> rubixXx: I'm trying for 3 days to install them in warty, and I didn't!
[08:13] <dtyge1> jspr: not in mine! And I did apt-get update locale
[08:13] <dtyge1> sorry apt-get install locale
[08:14] <dtyge1> (locales)
[08:14] <JsPr> dtyge1,  use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" without the "
[08:15] <Dull404> i cant change the repos with synaptic.. it just says "building dialog" and downloading the repos-lists... then closes
[08:15] <Dull404> it worked before the latest update of synaptic :/
[08:15] <dtyge1> jspr: how dumb am I! I didn't see that it was a scrolling menu! So I saw only the first 3 choices! dumb, dumb...:)
[08:17] <kirkt> in order to install the window manager (Xorg and gnome) what do i need to do??? i finished a server minimal install
[08:17] <kirkt> i did a apt-get gdm;apt-get xserver-xorg
[08:17] <Lathiat> kirkt: apt-get install xserver-xorg gnome gdm
[08:17] <kirkt> the server loads and everything
[08:17] <Lathiat> should get you going
[08:17] <kirkt> but it get stuck in the
[08:18] <kirkt> desktop initializing mini screen
[08:18] <Dull404> Lathiat, i cant get the dialog window to open :(
[08:18] <Lathiat> Dull404: what happens?
[08:18] <kirkt> Lathiat: "package gnome has no installation candidate"
[08:19] <Dull404> Lathiat, it says, "building dialog window" closes, and downloading repos list...
[08:19] <carthik_work> Dull404, why don't you just edit and save /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:19] <Lathiat> kirkt: try gnome-desktop-environment
[08:19] <carthik_work> kirkt try gnome2
[08:19] <Lathiat> Dull404: I don't get what you mean
[08:19] <sege> use old fashion apt-get from console instead of gui-crap =)
[08:19] <carthik_work> gnome-desktop-environment has a lot of associated baggage, kirkt
[08:19] <kirkt> guys: coldn't find either
[08:19] <Dull404> carthik_work, , well.. ok ;) what is the server/dir for "universe" ?
[08:20] <kirkt> gnome-desktop-environment no such thing
[08:20] <carthik_work> Dull404, same as the other ones, with universe instead of whatever else...
[08:20] <Lathiat> Sorry guys -- I have to go
[08:20] <Dull404> Lathiat: i take Repos in the menu. This worked before, but now with the latest synaptic it aint
[08:20] <carthik_work> Dull404, universe instead of main for example
[08:20] <Lathiat> Dull404: weird, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <Lathiat> look for the line like deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/.... main
[08:21] <Lathiat> and add "universe" after main restricted
[08:21] <Lathiat> then sudo apt-get update
[08:21] <Dull404> Lathiat: ok.. thanks
[08:21] <hikaru79> Can evolution read RSS feeds?
[08:21] <dtyge1> jspr: it worked! after I restarted gnome, it worked! thanks a lot, guy!
[08:22] <JsPr> dtyge1, your welcome. Ubuntu feeling! :-)
[08:22] <dtyge1> yes...;)
[08:22] <Lathiat> hikaru79: no, try blam or straw
[08:22] <hikaru79> Lathiat, thanks.
[08:23] <kirkt> dtyge1: im selling an african drum
[08:23] <kirkt> with an ubuntu insignia on it
[08:23] <kirkt> :)
[08:23] <kirkt> only $4.99
[08:23] <dtyge1> dum, dum du-durum-dum!
[08:23] <dtyge1> what about "freedom" as in speech?
[08:24] <dtyge1> $4.99 ?? free-dom, dum, dom, dum...
[08:24] <kirkt> what
[08:24] <kirkt> even freedom has a price
[08:24] <dtyge1> for services, not for ideas...
[08:24] <dtyge1> copyleft...
[08:24] <kirkt> anyways i have a stockload of drums
[08:25] <Dull404> How can I get back the previus version of synaptic? this latest update works strange.....
[08:25] <dtyge1> :)
[08:25] <dtyge1> Folks, my next task is: How can I install apache-php-mysql in ubuntu? I tried thousand ways, and couldn't install php4. Mysql is sccessfully installed, and also mysql. Ok. But php...
[08:25] <kirkt> thats easy
[08:25] <dtyge1> kirkt: pleeeease!
[08:25] <dtyge1> how?
[08:25] <kirkt> all you got to doo dum dum
[08:26] <kirkt> is dum di dum
[08:26] <dtyge1> (what a suspense...)
[08:26] <kirkt> RTFM DUM DE DUM
[08:26] <dtyge1> (rtfm??)
[08:26] <kirkt> yea
[08:26] <kirkt> it rhyms with dum
[08:26] <dtyge1> what is this?
[08:26] <kirkt> read the fucking manual
[08:27] <thenuke> "C compiler cannot create executables"  X-I
[08:27] <JsPr> kirkt, be nice?
[08:27] <kirkt> hey
[08:27] <thenuke> what might be wrong? I apt-getted gcc and make and binutils
[08:27] <kirkt> i couldnt find another rhym
[08:27] <JsPr> :-)
[08:27] <Dull404> thenuke build essentials ?
[08:27] <kirkt> dtyge1 what about searching for php in the repository
[08:28] <kirkt> then installing and configuring like the php readme says ?
[08:28] <dtyge1> kirkt, I looked for that... problems with dependencies...
[08:28] <kirkt> php has problems with dependency ?
[08:28] <JDahl> dtyge1, was one of your thousand attempts "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4" ?
[08:28] <kirkt> then grap a tgz
[08:28] <dtyge1> kirkt, I already installed php-apache-mysql thousand times.. but not in ubuntu.
[08:28] <kirkt> hum
[08:28] <dtyge1> jDahl. Yes: maybe this was the number 499 attempt.
[08:29] <kirkt> i know how to do it the freebsd way, and the normal (non-package-managed) way
[08:29] <kirkt> why would it be more difficult in debians great apt system
[08:29] <dtyge1> kirkt: if I grap the tgz, the directories go all in different places than the "debian way"
[08:29] <stuNNed> because debian wants to be different?
[08:29] <dtyge1> stunned: maybe...
[08:30] <stuNNed> does debian comply with the LSB?
[08:30] <kirkt> dtyge1 what about getting apache, php, mysql each alone ?
[08:30] <kirkt> damn
[08:30] <kirkt> my install get stuck in the window manager initialization screen
[08:30] <tiM`> question:  can I add debian apt repositories to ubuntu without badly breaking it, and if so, which ones would you recommend?
[08:30] <tiM`> woody/sid/sarge
[08:31] <koloqrilizm> does anyone know if the kernel source 2.6.10 is available as a package for ubuntu?
[08:31] <dtyge1> kirkt: i've done that in "pure debian", and had some problems with different directory settings... the "debian way"
[08:32] <snap16> New user to ubuntu and have a question about an x on my desktop.
[08:32] <jinx_> hey guys - how do I go about installing Eterm or Aterm on my brand new ubuntu installation.. - I can't find it in synaptic
[08:33] <koloqrilizm> jinx_, eterm.org has the source
[08:33] <kirkt> arghhhh
[08:33] <kirkt> i dont know whats wrong
[08:33] <carthik_work> jinx_, I did an apt-get install aterm the other day, for fluxbox
[08:33] <kirkt> my gnome get stuck
[08:33] <koloqrilizm> jinx_, what makes you want eterm over gnome-terminal?
[08:34] <Atrophy> I just updated and now when I login it says HAL failed to load... what is HAL?
[08:34] <JDahl> jinx_, maybe it's in universe
[08:34] <Atrophy> Hardware Abstraction Layer, correct?
[08:34] <jinx_> JDahl: it is
[08:34] <JsPr> Atrophy, yes
[08:34] <jinx_> JDahl: I don't know what that is :)
[08:34] <jinx_> <-- new to ubuntu as of 10 minutes ago...
[08:34] <Atrophy> hmm... that one's kind of important...
[08:34] <JDahl> jinx_, you need to enable universe either via synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <koloqrilizm> jinx_, you know gnome-terminal can do transparencies too just in case thats your motive, it certianly was mine
[08:35] <koloqrilizm> does anyone know if the 2.6.10 kernel is available as a package? apt-get -t unstable install kernel-source-2.6.10 doesnt work
[08:35] <Atrophy> alright I'll reinstall it and see if that does the trick
[08:36] <koloqrilizm> and synaptic only lists kernel sources up to 2.6.7
[08:36] <Atrophy> w00t!  It verked!
[08:36] <koloqrilizm> which is odd considering warty comes with 2.6.8
[08:37] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  look for linux-image not kernel-inage
[08:37] <zenrox> image
[08:37] <wdh> how would one install a single package from hoary in a warty box? without messing up the complete system that is..
[08:37] <koloqrilizm> zenrox, i'm looking for source tho
[08:37] <spike> hi there
[08:37] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, the source is thare
[08:37] <spike> I was reading from http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[08:37] <spike> but those pkgs aren't available
[08:38] <spike> neither libdvdcss2 or w32codes
[08:38] <spike> any idea?
[08:38] <zenrox> spike,  add the univeres repos
[08:38] <spike> I already added universe and multiverse
[08:38] <koloqrilizm> zenrox as an image?
[08:38] <spike> zenrox: already done that
[08:38] <Atrophy> why does the multiverse list rediculously outdated versions of stuff as the current version?
[08:38] <zenrox> spike thate is another one dont know it off the top of my head
[08:38] <spike> zenrox: any other idea? should I remove the multiver and restricted?
[08:38] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  no as source
[08:39] <spike> oh, ok
[08:39] <koloqrilizm> zenrox hmm, i can't find anything past 2.6.8
[08:39] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, warty or hoary
[08:39] <koloqrilizm> do i need to turn on something besides universe and ubuntu archive?
[08:39] <koloqrilizm> warty
[08:39] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  thats the highest you get with warty
[08:40] <koloqrilizm> zenrox is it possible to get higher anyway?
[08:40] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  only if you upgrade to hoary
[08:40] <n3wbi3> how do you upgrade to hoary?
[08:40] <zenrox> or get the souce your self
[08:40] <BiteMeBill> If I manually copied the build essential deb to a computer with no network access what is the command to install the deb?
[08:40] <zenrox> n3wbi3,  why do you want to upgrade to hoary
[08:40] <koloqrilizm> ive learned over the past few days vanilla tar kernel sources don't go well with ubuntu
[08:40] <BiteMeBill> dpkg?
[08:41] <thenuke> what might be the X11 development packages name :I
[08:41] <zenrox> BiteMeBill,  dpkg -i name of the .deb
[08:41] <n3wbi3> i just installed ubuntu about an hour ago, and it told me that it couldn't load up gnome for me because Xfree86 was too old and not supported
[08:41] <BiteMeBill> zenrox: Thanks...
[08:41] <koloqrilizm> how successful would a make oldconfig be with 2.6.8 using a config from 2.6.10
[08:41] <koloqrilizm> ?
[08:41] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, DONT KNOW
[08:41] <G2> if my sources.list always point to hoary, will I always be running  development distro or will it become stable when hoary is released, like rawhude in Redhat/Fedora
[08:41] <zenrox> whoops
[08:41] <koloqrilizm> right
[08:42] <koloqrilizm> me neither
[08:42] <jinx_> JDahl: thanks - i got it working
[08:42] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  have you read the wiki board on how to compile a kernel for ubuntu
[08:42] <n3wbi3> i have no gui, and all i'm left with is console (which i'm not too familiar with)
[08:43] <JsPr> wdh, put Hoary repositories in apt sources and choose a single package. Be aware of what apt whant to install. It might complicate / break something else. Check www.ubuntuforums.org for repositories.
[08:43] <zenrox> G2,  yep
[08:43] <koloqrilizm> zenrox nope, got a link?
[08:43] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[08:43] <G2> zenrox, always development?
[08:43] <zenrox> search for kernel compile
[08:44] <koloqrilizm> ok thanks
[08:44] <zenrox> G2, devel till it goes gold then you dist upgrade to the next devel os
[08:44] <koloqrilizm> in synaptic, i'm showing a linux-image already installed, but there no 2.6.8 source on my computer
[08:44] <G2> zenrox, ok, cool.
[08:45] <zenrox> koloqrilizm,  look in the development section of snyaptic
[08:45] <zenrox> koloqrilizm, or search for linux and it will be thare
[08:46] <koloqrilizm> zenrox, how do i look in the devel section?
[08:48] <BiteMeBill> Grrrr.
[08:48] <BiteMeBill> Anyone know if it's possible to share internet connection through USB's?
[08:48] <JDahl> n3wbi3, did you install warty? what happens if you try "X"? (if it goes to gfx mode, you kill it with CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE)/
[08:48] <BiteMeBill> wit ubunutu
[08:48] <zenrox> bbl gots to go to work
[08:48] <koloqrilizm> zenrox: i dont know what you mean by look in development secition
[08:49] <Levander> What's the easiest way to search the ubuntu reposities? i mean the repositories main, restrice, multiverse, and universe?
[08:49] <n3wbi3> yeah i installed warty.  i just type "x" in console, you mean?
[08:49] <JDahl> Levander, apt-cache search if you have them in sources.list?
[08:49] <JDahl> n3wbi3, yes, "X" in the console
[08:50] <Levander> don't have them in sources.list, would really only like to add them if they have several packages I want
[08:50] <n3wbi3> one more question.  i think i might not have internet when i'm on my linux partition...so how do i find out for certain if i do or not?
[08:50] <dtyge1> Folks: about my everlasting problem with apache-mysql-php4 under linux. Look what it says: "php4:
[08:50] <dtyge1>  Depends on: libapache-mod-php4 but it is not going to be installed or libapache2-mod-php4 but 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.4 is to be installed or caudium-php4 but it is not installable; Depends also on: php4-common but it is not installable"
[08:50] <JDahl> Levander, I also miss the search bots like #debian have
[08:50] <Levander> newbie, try ping yahoo.com, if it works u got it
[08:50] <dtyge1> So: Why is php4-common not installable?
[08:51] <carthik_work> n3wbi3, you have to login, first, to linux and then see what happens next
[08:51] <Levander> JDahl, guess I'll have to add them, search, remove them if they don't have them
[08:51] <n3wbi3> k, just as i suspected.  when i did that it said something like failure in name resolution.
[08:51] <carthik_work> n3wbi3, you can re-configure your network settings?
[08:51] <Levander> newbie, you're using DHCP to get an IP address?
[08:51] <Levander> newbie, if so, the DHCP server should assign u a DNS server
[08:51] <kirkt> ~o/ na-me resolu-tion!
[08:52] <Levander> newbie, try this: "ping 216.109.112.135"
[08:52] <Levander> that gets around the DNS protocol
[08:53] <Levander> newb, u trying or not??
[08:53] <n3wbi3> k, i will try that.  thanks so much for helping me out.  are there any other tips you guys would like to give me in regards to this networking issue?
[08:53] <n3wbi3> well it's just that irssi isn't working for me...
[08:53] <n3wbi3> so i'm on Windows right now.
[08:54] <n3wbi3> i have to boot into that partition to try it out.
[08:54] <Levander> oh, i see
[08:54] <Levander> okay, after u boot
[08:54] <Levander> try the two ping commands
[08:54] <mroth> did anyone else lose audio in most apps with the polypaudio update in hoary?
[08:54] <n3wbi3> i will.  thanks
[08:54] <Levander> if pinging the numbers don't work, u have internet but have to figure out how to get DNS configured
[08:54] <kirkt> in the window manager initialization: what comes after nautilus ?
[08:55] <Levander> if pinging the name doesn't work, maybe ping the numbers will
[08:55] <dtyge1> kirkt: what do you mean?
[08:55] <dtyge1> after login?
[08:55] <n3wbi3> hopefully and if they don't...how do i configure DNS?
[08:55] <MidnightDevil> hi
[08:55] <kirkt> dtyge1: im starting up the window manager (gnome).. i type the user name and password and then an initialization screen comes up
[08:55] <MidnightDevil> my ubuntu installation didint ask me for a root password
[08:55] <Levander> not sure newb, i'm not a networking expert
[08:55] <dtyge1> right...
[08:55] <kirkt> however it gets stuck since im trying to install gnome by hand
[08:55] <MidnightDevil> i dont know which is
[08:55] <tiM`>  edit /etc/resolv.conf and add your nameservers
[08:55] <carthik_work> MidnightDevil, there is no root user passwd
[08:55] <dtyge1> and then the desktop appear magically.
[08:55] <gijosh> I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, but I'm not sure if it worked or not.  I got this:
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[08:55] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[08:55] <dtyge1> ...or not?
[08:56] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[08:56] <kirkt> i figured that it gets stuck because of the next-to-intialize component
[08:56] <gijosh> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[08:56] <gijosh> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:56] <gijosh> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:56] <MidnightDevil> carthik_work, how can i have root access then_
[08:56] <gijosh> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:56] <carthik_work> MidnightDevil, you do things through gksu sudo
[08:56] <gijosh> Calculating Upgrade... Done
[08:56] <gijosh> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[08:56] <kirkt> dtyge1 i need to know what does it initialize after nautilus
[08:56] <n3wbi3> well i'll give it a try.
[08:56] <n3wbi3> thanks for everything.
[08:56] <carthik_work> Midnight evil $ sudo <whatever> will execute <whatever> as root.
[08:56] <dtyge1> kirkt: nautilus is the last one.
[08:56] <Levander> but newb if ping the numbers do work, try opening your irc client to 82.96.64.2 server, that's the numbers (aka IP address) for the irc.freenode.net server
[08:56] <Levander> then u can get on here and maybe some help
[08:57] <carthik_work> MidnightDevil, try http://ubuntuguide.org and the ubuntu wiki
[08:57] <dtyge1> kirkt, then come the drums
[08:57] <kirkt> dtyge1 u sure?
[08:57] <carthik_work> MidnightDevil, sudo will ask for _your_ password.
[08:57] <dtyge1> kirkt: i'll reboot to check. Wait a minute...
[08:57] <kirkt> thanks dtyge1 :)
[08:57] <Levander> newb actually, under windows, in the output of the ping command, the IP address for the server you ping will be listed, so can find any ip address that way
[08:57] <Levander> good luck newb, i'm signing out
[08:59] <dtyge1> kirkt. The last thing written is "nautilus", and the last icon is one like a desktop image.
[08:59] <dtyge1> kirkt?
[08:59] <kirkt> dtyge1: is that 4 icons ?
[08:59] <dtyge1> yes.
[08:59] <kirkt> yea i get that too.. but it gets stuck
[08:59] <kirkt> i'll try again thanks
[08:59] <dtyge1> kirkt, what computer do you have?
[09:00] <K-otiK> what is a good terminal irc client out there?
[09:00] <kirkt> trying this under vmware
[09:00] <MidnightDevil> thanx carthik_work
[09:00] <Levander> newb, ah wait, you've seen the Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking dialog?  That'd probably make it a lot easier for u?
[09:00] <K-otiK> ircii?
[09:00] <dtyge1> it should work... warty?
[09:00] <kirkt> no im using hoary
[09:00] <kirkt> but i've started off with a server install
[09:00] <kirkt> then i added the gdm and xorg
[09:00] <dtyge1> kirkt, why don't you start with warty? If it works, go for hoary...
[09:01] <dtyge1> kirkt. Is there a "server install" in hoary? with apache-mysql-php set up?
[09:01] <kirkt> dont think so
[09:01] <kirkt> the server install only gives you the basic stuff
[09:01] <pepsi> warty, hoary, and grumpy.. just like your girlfriend :)
[09:01] <kirkt> but i didnt check
[09:01] <kirkt> pepsi: you mean hairy
[09:01] <kreiger> no.
[09:02] <pepsi> no i meant hoary.. but yours might be hairy
[09:02] <pepsi> heh
[09:02] <kreiger> whorey
[09:02] <kirkt> strange
[09:02] <kirkt> i was sure your g/f was hairy.. took me a while to get rid of the excess hair last night
[09:04] <cg0def> is there a way to edit menus in hoary?
[09:04] <cg0def> I installed k3b and now I have some crappy kde stuff  in the applications menu
[09:05] <Riddell> cg0def: there is no way to edit menus in hoary (except compiling kmenuedit from KDE 3.4)
[09:05] <Riddell> cg0def: what is in the menu that you don't want?
[09:05] <kirkt> ok
[09:05] <kirkt> it seems that everything works
[09:05] <kirkt> but the "initialization" screen would not disappear
[09:05] <dtyge1> folks, that's my last try. I'm having problems to install php4, which are as follows: "php4: Depends on: libapache-mod-php4 but it is not going to be installed or libapache2-mod-php4 but 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.4 is to be installed or caudium-php4 but it is not installable; Depends on: php4-common but it is not installable"
[09:06] <kirkt> like.. it loads the desktop but forgets to hide the initialization screen
[09:06] <cg0def> Riddell: the control center for kde
[09:06] <hikaru79> I used to have sound on Ubuntu, but I reinstalled Ubuntu this morning and suddenly I have nothing, not even system sounds. Any ideas? (Hoary)
[09:07] <cg0def> do you know if the final release of hoary is going to have an easier way of editing the menu?
[09:07] <Riddell> cg0def: where does that appear, could you give me a screenshot? (we're putting together new KDE packages so may be able to fix it)
[09:07] <cg0def> right in the applications menu
[09:07] <msg43> has anyone gotten ndiswrapper to wrok in ubuntu?
[09:07] <pbzt56> hi all
[09:08] <pbzt56> french speakers?
[09:08] <danix> hi =P
[09:08] <dtyge1> pbzt56: je parle... mais je sui brsilien
[09:08] <danix> eu tbm sou
[09:08] <cg0def> Riddell: I'll give you a link to the screenshot in a min
[09:09] <pbzt56> do you know if a french channel exist
[09:09] <pbzt56> hi dtygel
[09:09] <dtyge1> oi danix..
[09:09] <danix> oi
[09:09] <msg43> has anyone evergotten ndiswrapper to work in ubuntu
[09:09] <dtyge1> pbzt: don't know.
[09:09] <pbzt56> I have discover ubuntu this afternoon , nice nice distribution
[09:10] <pbzt56> I seek information about X server , i have a problem with screen defintion
[09:11] <dtyge1> bye, folks. I'll try later.
[09:11] <dtyge1> nobody helps me about mysql-apache-php :(
[09:12] <Blurpy> does anyone know why xfce opens a random port?
[09:14] <cg0def> Riddell: well actually I can't take a screenshot with the applications or any other menu pulled down
[09:14] <kiko> re
[09:14] <kiko> thanx carthik_work
[09:14] <kiko> :)
[09:14] <pbzt56> hi
[09:14] <carthik_work> kiko, what did I do ? :)
[09:15] <Riddell> cg0def: why not?
[09:15] <cg0def> Riddell: worls fine when no menu is pulled down but once you pull a menu down screenshots no longer work
[09:15] <cg0def> Riddell: this is probably a dub
[09:15] <cg0def> bug
[09:15] <Riddell> cg0def: gosh, how primitive.  try using ksnapshot
[09:15] <MidnightDevil> remember me now ? :P
[09:15] <skel_home> does ubuntu for amd64 use a 32 bit firefox?
[09:15] <cg0def> yeah gnome keeps on breaking stuff
[09:16] <cg0def> skel_home no it does not
[09:16] <klaym> is there anyone with experience on installing phobia3 on ubuntu?
[09:16] <skel_home> cg0def: is that why my flash probably doesn't work?
[09:16] <cg0def> yeah flash does not work
[09:16] <cg0def> sorry
[09:17] <skel_home> bummage
[09:17] <skel_home> is there a firefox package that is 32bit?
[09:18] <skel_home> doesn't look like it =/
[09:18] <cg0def> I am pretty sure there is but you have to add a 32 bit repository
[09:18] <cg0def> and the 32 bit libs
[09:18] <skel_home> yeah
[09:18] <skel_home> had this same issue with my ibook
[09:18] <skel_home> I hate macromedia with a passion
[09:19] <pbzt56> i seek info about Xfree
[09:19] <skel_home> pbzt56: if thats as detailed as you get, you'll be seeking for a while =P
[09:20] <cg0def> skel_home: macromedia must be the dumbest company
[09:21] <pbzt56> I have install ubuntu on a new computer , i use a screen ACER , than i partage with a another computer
[09:21] <cg0def> symantec had a 64 version of antivirus way before win_xp64 got to a beta version
[09:21] <chutwig> do any of you know why the automounter would stop putting automatic mount points on my desktop in nautilus?
[09:21] <pbzt56> with the old computer the mandrake accept a screen 1024x768
[09:21] <pbzt56> with ubuntu i have just a 800x600
[09:21] <cg0def> Riddell: ksnapshot doesn't do the job either, it takes the focus off the menu and it closes before you can take a screenshot
[09:21] <skel_home> cg0def: thing that sucks is you can't even make an open implementation of a web media library because of all the patents they have
[09:21] <Riddell> cg0def: set a 2 second delay
[09:22] <pbzt56> i would like compare conf file of Xfree
[09:22] <cg0def> Riddell: 2 second delay to ksnapshot?
[09:22] <skel_home> cg0def: gimp has a screenshot function that lets you set a timer too
[09:22] <cg0def> oh yeah I see now :)
[09:23] <chutwig> nautilus opens a window when it's mounted, but it doesn't put an icon for it on the desktop
[09:23] <chutwig> so i have to unmount it through the terminal
[09:23] <chutwig> sort of annoying
[09:23] <skel_home> pbzt56: I'll upload mine but it won't help much if we don't have the same video card and monitor
[09:24] <pbzt56> I use the same monitor
[09:25] <pbzt56> you are thinking is the video card ?
[09:25] <kreiger> Where do i download themes for gnomes too?
[09:25] <kreiger> Also, how do i switch to something else, like xfce?
[09:26] <ermo> On evolution: Let's say I use hoary and that evo 2.1.4 doesn't agree with my IMAP provider. Would I want to 'downgrade' evo, or would that be a bad thing to do (dependency-wise)?
[09:26] <TrevorE> can anyone help me? An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Detect and mount CD-ROM
[09:29] <target-X> hello everyone
[09:29] <cg0def> well I can't get in my free hosting cause the server seems to be overloaded
[09:29] <cg0def> Riddell: if you want I can email them to you
[09:30] <target-X> I just bought a bluetooth USB Adapter from BELKIN. :) How can I install it? Any tips
[09:30] <lcdd> ermo: i think it's safe to assume nothing important depends on evolution
[09:30] <pbzt56> How i can restart the xfree configuration or test screen ?
[09:31] <Riddell> cg0def: jr@jriddell.org
[09:31] <cg0def> ok I'll send them in a sec
[09:31] <lcdd> ermo: but you should check the dependencies anyway
[09:31] <GammaRay> anyone know the option to disable the nvidia splash screen?
[09:31] <ermo> lcdd, thanks. I'll give it a try. *crosses fingers hoping that pinning will work as expected*
[09:31] <darkx> option nologo
[09:31] <darkx> i believe
[09:31] <darkx> NoLogo
[09:33] <cg0def> Riddell: sent them
[09:33] <Riddell> cg0def: thanks, there's a change my e-mail may be broken in which case use jr@muse.19inch.net
[09:34] <cg0def> ok if you you don't get them in the next couple of minutes I'll send them to the other one
[09:34] <kirkt> how do i add i18n to ubuntu (RTL Languages like arabic and so) ?
[09:34] <Riddell> cg0def: got them
[09:35] <Riddell> cg0def: in both application and system eh?  strange
[09:35] <cg0def> Riddell: sorry I just sent them again to the other email (should've read this first)
[09:35] <cg0def> yeah it shows up in both
[09:35] <Riddell> cg0def: no problem :)
[09:35] <Phusion> well, going through my first ubuntu install and, it's not as pretty as mandrake, but it's nice so far
[09:35] <target-X> anyone has experience with bluetooth usb adapter
[09:36] <klaym> target-X: me
[09:36] <target-X> :)
[09:36] <target-X> what did you do
[09:36] <klaym> I'll throw you a link that'll make all things work
[09:36] <target-X> nice
[09:36] <target-X> thx a million
[09:36] <klaym> http://www.fooishbar.org/blog/tech/ubuntu/blootewthMono-2004-10-17-01-31.html
[09:36] <cg0def> has anyone gotten the 64 bit ati drivers working?
[09:36] <klaym> there u go
[09:36] <klaym> np
[09:37] <target-X> I used Guadalinex so far, when they announced to be cooperate with you guys I thought I will check it out
[09:37] <target-X> :)
[09:37] <target-X> neraly everything works out of the box :)
[09:37] <cg0def> there is a new version of the driver on ati's site (newer than the one in apt) but it reqires a bunch of 32 bit libraries
[09:38] <target-X> on a Acer Travelmate 4001WLMi
[09:38] <target-X> cheers klaym
[09:38] <klaym> np
[09:38] <maelstrom> hey guys
[09:39] <maelstrom> i just installed ubuntu 4.10
[09:39] <maelstrom> i need some advice on configuration
[09:39] <rubixXx> is it safe to use debian prog packages on ubuntu
[09:39] <maelstrom> i'm using something called a Wacom table
[09:40] <maelstrom> wacom tablet
[09:40] <rubixXx> maelstrom): what do you wanna config
[09:40] <maelstrom> wacom tablet
[09:40] <Denisbr> Hello
[09:40] <maelstrom> do u noe what that is?
[09:40] <maelstrom> hey denisbr
[09:41] <Riddell> cg0def: fancy helping me fix this?
[09:41] <Phusion> I know of wacoms, they're for hand drawing on comps
[09:41] <Phusion> good luck getting it to work in linux
[09:41] <maelstrom> http://www.wacom.com/graphire/index.cfm
[09:41] <Denisbr> Ubuntu supported winmodem lucent? Where I Can Dowload of drivers?
[09:41] <maelstrom> i got it to work in suse
[09:41] <maelstrom> suse 9.2 has a thing for the tablet
[09:42] <Denisbr> maelstrom, yes
[09:42] <cg0def> Riddell: well I didn't really help much it was just a bug report
[09:42] <maelstrom> i was wondering if anyone noes what i can do to get the tablet to work in ubuntu
[09:42] <Riddell> cg0def: but I need someone with gnome installed to test it
[09:42] <Riddell> cg0def: could you add OnlyShowIn=KDE; to /usr/share/applnk/KControl.desktop
[09:42] <Riddell> cg0def: and restart gnome, see if it makes KControl go away?
[09:43] <cg0def> ok I'll do that in a sec
[09:43] <Riddell> cg0def: actually try with this file first  /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop
[09:44] <K-otiK> gnome has different themes right?
[09:44] <Phusion> yes
[09:44] <Phusion> the gnome panel lets you pick 'em
[09:44] <K-otiK> humm kde seems to have a lot more
[09:44] <Phusion> they're similar to the different stock windows themes
[09:47] <klaym> I'm missing libvorbisfile.so.0. Any idea on what I should install to get the file?
[09:47] <Phusion> Ogg Vorbis
[09:47] <Phusion> http://www.vorbis.com/download_unix.psp
[09:48] <cg0def> Ridell: adding in to /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop fixes the problem
[09:48] <Riddell> cg0def: removes it from both menus?
[09:48] <cg0def> yes
[09:48] <klaym> ok thanks phusion
[09:48] <Phusion> ya mon
[09:48] <Riddell> cg0def: ok, thanks a lot
[09:48] <cg0def> np
[09:48] <lcdd> klaym: libvorbisfile3
[09:49] <klaym> lcdd: I already have that :/ it seems I need to downgrade
[09:49] <Denisbr> Were I Can Dowload of drivers for lucent winmodem?
[09:49] <Phusion> might wanna start with google
[09:49] <cg0def> Riddell: so in the next release of gnome you will have to edit config files in order to modify the contents of a menu?
[09:49] <Phusion> http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
[09:50] <klaym> I'm getting these troubles while trying to install phobia3. but it seems that nobody has experience on installing this great game on ubuntu :)
[09:50] <Phusion> can no one type google.com ? honestly :P
[09:50] <lcdd> klaym: hrmm. .so.0 is a symlink to libvorbisfile.so.3.1.0 in my debian
[09:50] <Phusion> yeah he prolly doesn't have the vorbis files installed
[09:50] <Riddell> cg0def: that seems to be the case, I hear there might be a new menu editor in gnome 2.12 and as I said KDE 3.4 has one
[09:50] <Phusion> just needs to pick up the package or whatever is on that url
[09:51] <pepsi> .
[09:51] <target-X> klaym
[09:51] <cg0def> Riddell: yeah but gnome 2.12 is over 6 months away and the way that the menu system works right now sux
[09:51] <target-X> thx that is working now :)
[09:51] <klaym> target-X
[09:51] <klaym> yea it should be
[09:52] <target-X> thx ubuntu guys great dis :)
[09:52] <Riddell> cg0def: then we'll just have to make sure and get KDE 3.4 into hoary :)
[09:52] <cg0def> yeah I know :)
[09:53] <cg0def> oh yeah another thing that really needs work in hoary is support for the crappy ati drivers
[09:54] <rubixXx> how do you restart a service
[09:54] <cg0def> /etc/init.d /<service> restart
[09:55] <thenuke> "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".  "    I have DRI in XF86config.. :( Any ideas?
[09:55] <lares> I'm looking to install Ubuntu for a MS user.  Is there anything that will be noticealbe missing (other then virii)
[09:56] <goldfish> Crashes for no reason.
[09:56] <lares> lol :)
[09:56] <lares> I'm a Gentoo USer and need something that will 'just work' for a friend.
[09:56] <njan> lares, photoshop
[09:56] <njan> lares, photoshop's the only thing that my wife (formerly of windowsxp) has missed.
[09:56] <lcdd> lares: support for obscure hardware
[09:56] <rubixXx> cg0def): ty
[09:56] <rubixXx> should i make a new group to run an ftp server
[09:57] <njan> she switched a few months ago and she's rebooted into windows xp twice, for about 5 minutes.
[09:57] <lares> It boots to GUI after install right?
[09:57] <goldfish> lares: I installed ubuntu a few weeks ago, first time using linux, if they take a look at ubuntuguide.org it shud be fairly handy for them to get going.
[09:57] <rubixXx> lares): yes
[09:57] <lares> goldfish: goo to know
[09:57] <lares> what is default WM?
[09:57] <rubixXx> gnome
[09:57] <lares> or is that userconfurable?
[09:58] <lares> k
[09:58] <rubixXx> both
[09:58] <njan> lares, you can install kde as well, but gnome is supported.
[09:58] <rubixXx> gnome is default, but you cna install more
[09:58] <goldfish> PEK WM !
[09:58] <njan> lares, for that matter, you can install xfce too, and probably anything else
[09:58] <lares> OKay just checking..
[09:58] <lares> I use Flux, but that is not for the N00b.
[09:59] <lares> THanxz all for the info...
[09:59] <kirkt> lares try mandrake/beaterix
[09:59] <lares> D/Ling it now.
[09:59] <lares> kirkt: i
[09:59] <lares> kirkt: i've looked at mandrake but not beaterix. will look
[10:00] <Phusion> man, this setting up phase takes forever
[10:00] <Denisbr> Why kernel is on Ubuntu 4.10?
[10:00] <sahin_h> Is KDE wibb be supported in the next release? I'm just wondering? I know KDE is part of the universe currently.
[10:01] <sahin_h> s/wibb/will
[10:01] <djtansey> I know this isn't necessarily ubuntu specific but I'm having a problem with images in openoffice and images. I can't save an image in openoffice. I got a document in the email and I need to copy the image from the document to an email in evolution. but when i copy it in OOo and paste it in evolution nothing happens... is this a me specific problem? is there a solution?
[10:01] <Riddell> sahin_h: hopefully yes
[10:02] <rubixXx> should i make a new group to run an ftp server
[10:02] <Phusion> yes
[10:02] <Phusion> proftpd should do that for yah
[10:03] <lcdd> vsftpd is easier to set up securely
[10:05] <junit> Hey, is there a way to get mplayer running under hoary
[10:05] <bestadvocate> yah but its a pain
[10:05] <junit> or is there an alternative to play all the files it does?
[10:05] <Phusion> xine ...
[10:06] <Rocha> what gnome program do you use to copy audio cd's ?
[10:06] <junit> does it play everything?
[10:06] <bestadvocate> whats funny is I had an easyer time installing mplayer on windows than on ubuntu : - ] 
[10:06] <bestadvocate> Rocha: try Graveman
[10:07] <Rocha> bestadvocate, ok
[10:09] <Phusion> well shit
[10:09] <Phusion> just finished installing hoary and the video server is MESSED up
[10:09] <junit> I see that you can add extra repositories to Warty's source list, but is there a list like that for Hoary?
[10:10] <klaym> what's the command to rename a file in terminal? :P
[10:11] <lcdd> klaym: mv
[10:11] <klaym> lcdd: thanks
[10:12] <stephen-> Hello everyone... I wanted to install ubuntu, and wondered what the recommended burn speed is for the cd? I noticed a few people having problems with fast burn speeds on the forums.
[10:12] <Neil3> depends on your burner
[10:13] <stephen-> Well.. should I just try 52x first? :P
[10:13] <Neil3> up to you
[10:13] <Neil3> if you've burned other cds at that speed without problems sure
[10:13] <K-otiK> has anyone seen those screen shots ofgentoo with the cpu graph and ram usage on the background?
[10:13] <K-otiK> can i get ubuntu  do that?
[10:13] <Phusion> well... hoary just ain't doing it
[10:13] <stephen-> Humm, second question, think I can install it on an external usb drive?
[10:13] <Phusion> bloody heck
[10:13] <K-otiK> you do'nt need to install it
[10:13] <gutz> helloooo
[10:13] <K-otiK> or at least with me i just plugged it in and it ran with no prob
[10:14] <BiteMeBill> K-otiK:  look into gdesklets
[10:15] <edgarin> Hello I have a network card Dlink G520+ and I can't startup
[10:17] <gutz> can we help me?
[10:18] <gutz> I want import windows firefox profiles
[10:18] <gutz> to ubunt
[10:18] <gutz> but I don't know the procdure to do
[10:19] <AndyR> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:19] <AndyR> ah Phusion has gone :(
[10:20] <gutz> andyR
[10:20] <gutz> can you help me?
[10:21] <Tomcat_> gutz: I guess you only need to copy the stuff over?
[10:21] <LinuxJones> edgarin, the dlink g520 card should be detected automagically
[10:22] <gutz> I probe to use the win profile with linux
[10:22] <evarlast> Semt-X: I don't remember what you were modprobing for.
[10:22] <junit> Does Hoary have other repositories that are included by default that I can add?
[10:23] <shadeofgrey> hey guys -- if i wantred to install superkaramba to make my ubuntu system behave like OSX with a dock at the bottom -- would i have to install KDE as well?
[10:24] <AndyR> gutz, i will try :)
[10:24] <gutz> but don't work
[10:24] <vjaz> shadeofgrey, parts of it, yes
[10:24] <vjaz> shadeofgrey, you might want to take a look at gDesklets
[10:24] <vjaz> shadeofgrey, http://gdesklets.sourceforge.net/ iirc
[10:24] <gutz> i want to import win firefox profilo to linux
[10:25] <gutz> but i don't know the way
[10:25] <K-otiK> i ran apt-get install -y kde, i downloadeded kde alright is there soemthign else i have to do to 'switch'
[10:25] <K-otiK> after that?
[10:25] <Phusion> AndyR: nah I'm not gone
[10:26] <vjaz> gutz, there's a directory in windows... I think it's Documents and Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox
[10:26] <Riddell> dpkg-reconfigure gdm  to make kde default
[10:26] <Phusion> AndyR: I just installed hoary and everything was going so well, then the login screen came up and it was very distorted
[10:26] <vjaz> gutz, Copy that directory to ~/.mozilla/firefox on your Ubuntu disk.
[10:26] <Phusion> AndyR: I tried logging in with gnome and some failsafe but everything dropped me to login
[10:26] <gutz> yes
[10:26] <gutz> i do
[10:26] <gutz> but
[10:26] <Phusion> downloading warty
[10:26] <gutz> firefox freeze
[10:26] <gutz> when start
[10:26] <vjaz> oh
[10:26] <kent> hmm, Gnomebaker is not in Hoary repositories. Strange, since it seems to use Rosetta.. :(
[10:27] <AndyR> Phusion drop to shell and run the command above
[10:27] <Phusion> ok
[10:27] <AndyR> what graphics card?
[10:27] <Phusion> AndyR: rage of some kind
[10:27] <junit> I wish I new what the extra repositories were for Haory
[10:27] <Phusion> hold on gotta boot up
[10:28] <socketbind> mmm i had rage before :D
[10:28] <Phusion> well I have a geforce 6800 in this box
[10:28] <AndyR> i had same prob with a rage II pro
[10:28] <Phusion> thats what it is
[10:28] <TrevorE> hi im trying to install and i got this screen for changing the debconf priority, what's this mean?
[10:28] <klaym> I'd still like to bug you with these: any idea on where libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 lies? there are 17 libstdc -named files listed in synaptic, of which two are installed
[10:28] <socketbind> that's nice phusion
[10:28] <Phusion> yeah well I work for a game zine, gotta be up to date
[10:28] <kent> junit, what do you meen with extra?  Is it nog universe, multiverse and restricted, like for warty?
[10:29] <TrevorE> i had trouble before so i used a lower speed when burning this time, and now this comes up, but it didnt before
[10:29] <Phusion> ok, its booting to ubuntu login, I have to go to session and somehow select the bottom one, only way to a shell
[10:29] <elTigre> Hi! I installed ubuntu...
[10:29] <Phusion> some error pops up that I can't read :/
[10:29] <elTigre> but I'd like to su to root
[10:29] <socketbind> great elTigre, hope you'll like it
[10:29] <elTigre> for that I need a password don't I?
[10:29] <socketbind> eltigre: sudo -s -H
[10:30] <socketbind> and type *YOUR* password
[10:30] <elTigre> ah thanks
[10:30] <elTigre> well at the moment I yet have to stop the monitor from ruining my eyes....
[10:31] <socketbind> well it runs at 85hz with nv driver from the beginning
[10:31] <AndyR> Phusion, ctrl alt F1
[10:31] <socketbind> with a plain install
[10:31] <Phusion> AndyR: hey, I put in that command and I have yet to set a root
[10:31] <socketbind> what card do you have?
[10:31] <Phusion> its asking for pass, put in my local user pass?
[10:31] <elTigre> I haven't even 50
[10:32] <AndyR> dont need root, just sudo with an account of user with sudo privs
[10:32] <Phusion> well it returned something I can't read :/
[10:32] <AndyR> ie first user you setup
[10:32] <Phusion> right
[10:32] <Phusion> ok I dumped dm, in console
[10:33] <AndyR> Phusion, now do ctrl alt F1
[10:33] <junit> kent: I mean on ubuntuguide, they have a section showing how to add extra repositories, is there something like that for hoary?
[10:33] <Phusion> ahh ok I'm in the xserver config
[10:33] <Phusion> autodetect?
[10:33] <Phusion> I assume no..
[10:34] <AndyR> junit, use same instructions replacing all warty's with hoary
[10:34] <kent> junit, yes. If you are talking about the extra Ubuntu repositories, then, as AndyR says, just do the same.
[10:34] <Phusion> andy?
[10:34] <AndyR> Phusion, yup
[10:34] <AndyR>   /msg
[10:34] <tvon|desk> Anyone using a bttv card in hoary?
[10:34] <Phusion> k, I'm selecting the "ati" module
[10:34] <Phusion> ok?
[10:34] <tvon|desk> taint gettin no sound
[10:35] <AndyR> tvon|desk, yes wintv in other comp
[10:35] <junit> oh sweet
[10:35] <junit> thanks
[10:35] <Phusion> ok, well now its asking for a bus identifyer
[10:35] <jinx_> I have to admit, that setting up ubuntu for my laptop has been the most painless experience.  It autodetected everything...
[10:35] <Phusion> but it has PCI:1:0:0 in there already
[10:35] <Phusion> go with that AndyR?
[10:35] <tvon|desk> AndyR: do you recall any issues with sound not working? or was it all OOB functional?
[10:35] <jinx_> However, I couldn't get the AMD64 version of the ISO to boot so I had to use the x86 version
[10:36] <AndyR> tvon|desk, im using the line in for audio
[10:36] <jinx_> AMD64 version kept on telling me my CPU temp was at 95C - which it obviously isn't otherwise I wouldn't be here talking to you now...
[10:36] <tvon|desk> AndyR: ah
[10:36] <jinx_> anyone ever encountered this issue - where the AMD64 version tells you your CPU is too hot?
[10:36] <Phusion> AndyR: use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[10:36] <AndyR> no
[10:37] <elTigre> I am quite pleased at the moment
[10:37] <michael__> has anybody tried mod_mono on apache?
[10:37] <ne0genius> can someone point me to a link for hoary repositories that host packages similar to those mentioned in the startup guide for warty??
[10:37] <elTigre> at least my mails and preferences where saved *phew*
[10:38] <AndyR> Phusion, look in msg tab
[10:38] <evarlast> what is the recommended ubuntu dns caching-nameserver
[10:39] <elTigre> there should be some direct link to a page that names useful guides, like Configuring nvidia drivers ;))
[10:39] <spades> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:40] <elTigre> thanks
[10:40] <djtansey> is anyone getting a lot of crashes with openoffice in hoary? i'm getting a crash all the itme
[10:40] <cris> teste
[10:40] <michael__> everlast: one on the internet or one for your local system?
[10:40] <jinx_> how do upgrade my kernel to 2.6.10?
[10:41] <edgarin> Hello howto configure DLINK G520+?
[10:41] <jinx_> (i've not used a debian based system before - i'm used to getting the sources and recompiling)
[10:41] <membreya> anyone here use TVTime?
[10:41] <edgarin> whit chipset ACX111
[10:41] <elTigre> well I am used to gentoo
[10:41] <edgarin> yeah I have TVTIME
[10:41] <membreya> edgarin: do you know if it's possible to record with it ?
[10:42] <httpdss> apt-get install linux-686
[10:42] <edgarin> membreya: no
[10:42] <membreya> :'(
[10:42] <jinx_> httpdss: that for the kernel?
[10:42] <membreya> any way to record TV input on linux?
[10:42] <lcdd> membreya: tvtime doesn't do recording. try mencoder instead
[10:42] <edgarin>  membreya: the program for record is xinetv
[10:43] <httpdss> jinx_:yes
[10:43] <klaym> I got phobia3 working, woohoo!
[10:43] <vjaz> jinx_, If you want 2.6.10, you'll either need to upgrade to Hoary or get it from Warty backports: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:43] <evarlast> michael__: one for my local system.  mdk/rh have an rpm called caching-nameserver that you just install, and it sets up bind as a caching nameserver and adds localhost in resolv.conf.
[10:43] <edgarin> membreya: search in google tvrecord.sh
[10:43] <junit> I don't like hoary so far
[10:43] <membreya> thanks :)
[10:43] <junit> Everything was so much easier to do in Warty.
[10:43] <membreya> everything's easy in hoary junit  :)
[10:44] <membreya> hey it got my wireless working easy :)
[10:44] <evarlast> junit: it isn't finished yet.
[10:44] <junit> Well, mPlayer isn't easier, XMMS isn't easier.
[10:44] <junit> I know that, but so far..
[10:44] <edgarin> ok
[10:44] <membreya> mplayer I just had to download all the .debs :)
[10:44] <edgarin> Howto install G520+ in linux
[10:45] <vjaz> edgarin, What is G520+?
[10:45] <httpdss> whats your prob with mplayer and xmms ??
[10:46] <junit> I can't install em using Apt-get
[10:47] <vjaz> Hm... you can install xmms with apt-get
[10:47] <membreya> what arch junit ?
[10:47] <junit> =/
[10:47] <junit> what
[10:47] <membreya> what type of CPU/kernel are you running :)
[10:47] <httpdss> apt-get install xmms
[10:48] <membreya> with a sudo httpdss ;)
[10:48] <httpdss> :P
[10:48] <junit> I did that =P
[10:48] <vjaz> not if you do sudo -s first!
[10:48] <vjaz> junit, you need to enable the universe repository
[10:48] <michael__> evarlast: resolv.conf has nothing to do with caching-nameserver. what do you want to do exactly?
[10:49] <evarlast> michael__: nm.  I'll just do it manually.
[10:49] <membreya> being 2 weeks into linux..learnin new stuff alllllll the time :)
[10:49] <evarlast> michael__: I want my desktop computer to have its own dns cache, like XP does.
[10:49] <jinx_> vjaz: I presume I can upgrade to hoary without having to reinstall somehow?
[10:49] <membreya> wouldn't you need to run squid then evarlast ?
[10:49] <vjaz> jinx_, yes
[10:49] <evarlast> no, squid has nothing to do with DNS.
[10:50] <jinx_> vjaz: would you be so kind as to tell me how?
[10:50] <vjaz> jinx_, basically you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change everything from warty to hoary
[10:50] <jinx_> oh
[10:50] <jinx_> ok
[10:50] <jinx_> and that's it?
[10:50] <vjaz> jinx_, then 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:50] <jinx_> sounds simple enough
[10:50] <membreya> evarlast: squid is a proxy server..you just turn it into a caching dns proxy server
[10:50] <vjaz> jinx_, Hoary is the development version so beware that problems might arise. :-O
[10:51] <jinx_> vjaz: oh teh noes111!!!
[10:51] <membreya> vjaz: ...what problems? :P
[10:51] <evarlast> squid is major overkill for dns caching.  besides, squid is a proxy server, not a DNS cache. Squid doesn't cache dns requests, just the web pages.
[10:51] <vjaz> well ok... not in practice... but no one guarantees there won't be problems :-P
[10:51] <membreya> vjaz: ....actually I've been getting ICEs on my gcc ;)
[10:51] <membreya> but few and far
[10:52] <evarlast> I am very familiar with bind, squid, resolver, etc. I was just asking if there is an "ubuntu" way for getting it going.  I guess not.
[10:52] <vjaz> whoa
[10:52] <membreya> evarlast: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=dns+cache%2Bubuntu&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[10:52] <vjaz> haha
[10:53] <michael__> evarlast: sorry, cant help you. never tried this
[10:54] <membreya> is that info ok evarlast ?
[10:54] <MidnightDevil> how can i add access to everyone on a mounted folder?
[10:54] <membreya> MidnightDevil: local or network? :P
[10:54] <elTigre> Hmmmm.... how can I install lyx?
[10:54] <vjaz> 'chmod 777 folder' maybe?
[10:55] <vjaz> (for midnightdevil)
[10:55] <evarlast> membreya: thanks.
[10:55] <MidnightDevil> this one is local
[10:55] <vjaz> elTigre, You'll need to enable the universe repository.
[10:55] <evarlast> I think that is what I want.
[10:55] <vjaz> elTigre, Then it's just an apt-get or you can select it from synaptic.
[10:55] <MidnightDevil> vjaz,  still not working
[10:55] <elTigre> yep
[10:55] <membreya> pdnsd looks like what you want..permanent and easy :P
[10:56] <membreya> but then again if you know bind and squid... :P
[10:56] <elTigre> I have to find out how to enable that repository
[10:56] <membreya> elTigre: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <jinx_> vjaz: jeez... 424MB of archives needed for upgrade...
[10:57] <michael__> who has experience in blender?
[10:57] <MidnightDevil> membreya,  local folder on another disk
[10:57] <vjaz> jinx_, Well it's upgrading your whole system.
[10:57] <elTigre> I needed to download 400 mb of uploads before getting into x for the first time =))
[10:57] <jinx_> vjaz: should have just downloaded a hoary installer (if there is one) i suppose....
[10:57] <vjaz> elTigre, You'll need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list . In that file there are two lines that are commented with a '#' that end in 'universe'. Uncomment those and do an 'apt-get update'
[10:58] <membreya> jinx_:  you still have updates at install :P
[10:58] <michael__> where to set window transparency in hoary?
[10:58] <vjaz> jinx_, What do you need 2.6.10 for?
[10:58] <jinx_> vjaz: to play with
[10:58] <fsc> michael__, you need xorg and composite enabled
[10:58] <vjaz> um... ok
[10:58] <vjaz> why can't you play with 2.6.8?
[10:58] <fsc> michael__, and it only really works with nvidia cards
[10:58] <elTigre> vjaz: thanks, seems to word
[10:58] <elTigre> is xorg available in ubuntu?
[10:58] <jinx_> vjaz: Are you trying to put me off hoary? ;)
[10:58] <Rocha> elTigre, yes, in Hoary
[10:59] <membreya> elTigre: hoary uses xorg
[10:59] <membreya> damnit Rocha :P
[10:59] <elTigre> maybe I shouldn't have used warty -.-
[10:59] <Rocha> elTigre, use warty, hoary has some bugs
[10:59] <jinx_> Rocha: such as?
[10:59] <vjaz> jinx_, No. Use it if you like. :-P
[11:00] <Rocha> jinx_, the irritating window list that shrinks all windows
[11:00] <klaym> such as gnome's panels disappearing.. that finally made me go back to warty
[11:00] <Rocha> jinx_, i can't read the title bar in the window list applet
[11:00] <yaxu144a> i don't suppose matthias klose is here?  or anyone who knows about ubuntu low latency kernels?  or any musicians using ubuntu?
[11:00] <michael__> fsc: i have a nvidia card. x.org works also. where can i enable composite?
[11:00] <Rocha> jinx_, in x-chat for example, in only see "X..."
[11:00] <membreya> klaym: CTRL+ALT+BCKSPACE is too much trouble?
[11:01] <Rocha> jinx_, when i drag something to the trash applet the icon disappears
[11:01] <jinx_> hehe
[11:01] <klaym> membrya: I lost them for good
[11:01] <membreya> ouch
[11:01] <Xappe> Rocha, increase the window list size
[11:01] <Rocha> Xappe, how?
[11:01] <Xappe> Rocha, right click the window list applet
[11:01] <vjaz> Rocha, right click, select properties... there should be a "minimum size" option
[11:01] <membreya> fsc: composite for what?
[11:02] <membreya> michael__: even.... :P
[11:02] <jinx_> is php5 in hoary?
[11:02] <Rocha> what minimum size is good?
[11:02] <Xappe> i have 250 px
[11:02] <vjaz> Rocha, you can try it... it updates as you change it
[11:02] <lcdd> klaym: did you try removing your old gnome configuration first?
[11:03] <Rocha> Cool, thanks very much
[11:03] <Xappe> Rocha, np
[11:03] <Rocha> Xappe, anyway, 50 should not be the default size
[11:03] <klaym> lcdd: probably not. I upgraded just the way it's described in ubuntuguide.org.
[11:03] <klaym> then I tried all the things mentioned in ubuntuforums, but none worked
[11:04] <Xappe> Rocha, well, it's a gnome bug i believe
[11:04] <Rocha> Xappe, btw, anyway to correct the trashapplet bug?
[11:05] <Xappe> what bug?
[11:05] <elTigre> does ubuntu use prelinking?
[11:06] <lcdd> klaym: like removing ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf* ?
[11:06] <jinx_> where does apt store packages it downloads before unpacking?
[11:06] <klaym> I don't think I did
[11:06] <elTigre> hmm or a better question... I need to access my windows drive
[11:07] <Rocha> Xappe, when i drag an item to the trash, when i'm on it, the icons changes to a red cross
[11:07] <aeonphive> Hi there, can anyone help? My .mp3s play too fast. I tried: amixer set 'Multi Track Rate Locking' off which brought the speed back to normal, but the sound became very distorted. Anyone know what I could do?
[11:07] <lcdd> klaym: these huge desktop enviroments are so unstable that the configuration file formats tend to change every now and then. that's why you should remove the old configuration files from your home directory before logging into the new version
[11:07] <spades> elTigre: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[11:08] <klaym> lcdd: good to know, thanks
[11:09] <jinx_> hmm - if I try an remove Evolution then synaptic tells me it's going to remove ubuntu-desktop as well... I presume I don't want to do this...
[11:09] <Xappe> Rocha, just tried to drag a file to the trash icon, that worked just fine
[11:09] <Rocha> Xappe, strange
[11:09] <Rocha> Xappe, i'm using array-4 btw
[11:09] <Xappe> should not matter if you have dist upgraded after installation
[11:10] <Rocha> Xappe, nop, i haven't
[11:10] <membreya> jinx_: /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:10] <Rocha> Xappe, dialup here :(
[11:10] <Xappe> Rocha, ok. I've dist-upgraded every day since the beginning of december
[11:10] <jinx_> membreya: thanks
[11:11] <elTigre> hmpf ... rhythmbox can't handle mp3s....
[11:11] <jinx_> membreya: ok - is it safe to remove the files there to conserve space?
[11:11] <shadeofgrey> el:  yes it can
[11:11] <Rocha> elTigre, add the "universe" repository
[11:11] <Rocha> elTigre, install "gstreamer-mad"
[11:11] <membreya> jinx_: ....that low on space? :\
[11:11] <elTigre> ah .. thanks
[11:12] <jinx_> membreya: not really, but 175M of stuff in there that, if not necessary, can be removed right?
[11:12] <Xappe> jinx_, there is a "delete cached files" in synaptic
[11:12] <shadeofgrey> hey guys i need help with something
[11:12] <membreya> hmmm .. i know there's a way to do it ..but how do you show the size of a directory without listing any files?
[11:12] <spades> du -hs
[11:12] <elTigre> with a freshly installed ubuntu install, without connection to the internet, you can't play mp3s?
[11:12] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[11:13] <FX|Laptop> anyone in here use vnc?
[11:13] <membreya> thanks spades :) ....too used to using df :P
[11:13] <jinx_> Xappe: there is? I can't see it
[11:13] <klaym> is it ok to have multiple versions of the same library? I installed three different versions of libstdc++ together with all the dev, plugins, etc. packages.
[11:14] <rubixXx> i will brb in a bit
[11:14] <Xappe> jinx_, settings --> preferences --> files
[11:14] <elTigre> hmmm installing gstreamer-mad didn't solve the issue
[11:14] <FX|Laptop> so no one uses vnc?
[11:15] <Neil3> i do
[11:15] <Neil3> vnc that is
[11:15] <Neil3> :)
[11:15] <jinx_> Xappe: thanks
[11:15] <Xappe> jinx_, np :)
[11:15] <sid77> ciao
[11:15] <JDahl> jinx_, you can just type "sudo apt-get clean"
[11:15] <Rocha> elTigre, restart rhythmbox
[11:15] <K-otiK> how do you had cpu usage and ram usage to your desktop?
[11:15] <elTigre> rocha: I did
[11:15] <FX|Laptop> I have it running on my monitorless server and when i run vncviewer on here all i get is a blank screen.
[11:15] <shadeofgrey> i set up a mount point for my mp3 directory yesterday so that i can open a nautilus window and get directly to my mp3s...  and it worked fine yesterday - today i click on it and it says theres no action associated  with the link
[11:15] <Rocha> elTigre, that should do, strange
[11:16] <jinx_> Ok guys - so what about my Evolution question?  It tells me it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop if I try and remove evolution.  I'm guessing I don't want to do this...
[11:16] <K-otiK> how do you had cpu usage and ram usage to your desktop?
[11:16] <Neil3> did it go into a screen saver?
[11:16] <spades> K-otiK: http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/
[11:16] <KAIOUCYTE> hello
[11:16] <spades> output looks like : http://www.3spades.net/dump/Screenshot.png
[11:16] <FX|Laptop> I don't think so
[11:17] <JDahl> jinx_, generally you wont, but you wont break anything by removing it.. I had to remove it to get rid of OO on a machine with a small disk
[11:17] <membreya> K-otiK: right click on the panel you want to add it to, go to the applets and select system monitor
[11:17] <elTigre> can I force aptget to reinstall it @ rocha?
[11:17] <KAIOUCYTE> is there a way to recover UBUNTU.   I tryied installing bt-gui and when i rebooted my pc.. i dont' get the gui version of ubuntu.
[11:18] <membreya> that's pretty spades :)
[11:18] <spades> speel. queens ny?
[11:18] <speel> tea
[11:18] <speel> yea*
[11:18] <Rocha> elTigre, try logging out of gnome, then in again
[11:18] <spades> i still have your domain i think
[11:19] <Rocha> elTigre, this shouldn't be necessary, but try it
[11:19] <speel> ah supp man , yea i know
[11:19] <jinx_> JDahl: so what is the 'ubuntu-desktop' package then?
[11:19] <spades> speel: hit me up before 10/4/2005 to transfer it out :P
[11:19] <Rocha> jinx_, it's a meta-package
[11:19] <chaosmind> jinx_, as i understand it, the "ubuntu-desktop" package is a meta-package, very important during install, but no big deal to remove...
[11:20] <chaosmind> it's very confusing, i first got that message when I tried to install xemacs
[11:20] <speel> yea , you still have the same email?
[11:20] <JDahl> jinx_, it helps maintaining a uniform desktop with a predescribed set of packages
[11:20] <chaosmind> they should have a more intuitive meta-package system...
[11:21] <membreya> omg... I just did a ./configure on torsmo
[11:21] <membreya> no errors!
[11:21] <membreya> :\
[11:21] <chaosmind> uhm....   man torsmo?
[11:21] <chaosmind> =)
[11:21] <membreya> http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/
[11:22] <jinx_> JDahl: so it won't hurt then, to remove it and install thunderbird instead of evolution :)
[11:22] <membreya> tbird is much better IMHO
[11:22] <membreya> *sniffles*...when did I turn anti-MS :\
[11:22] <chaosmind> cool lookin' sysmon... off to attempt install!
[11:22] <JDahl> jinx_, why dont you just install thunderbird without removing evolution?
[11:23] <jinx_> JDahl: what's the point if i'm never going to use evolution?
[11:23] <JDahl> jinx_, it's less hazzle for you if you keep ubuntu-desktop, although you can remove it if you insist
[11:23] <Rocha> jinx_, you can remove ubuntu-desktop with no problem :)
[11:24] <Xappe> hmm, how do you create a .deb instead of the "make install" step?
[11:24] <giard> why does the title still say array 4?
[11:24] <giard> does array 4 even work anymore?
[11:24] <giard> I thought it was array 5
[11:24] <chaosmind> no point in keeping evolution if you're not going to use it
[11:24] <KAIOUCYTE> Is there a way to re-install UBUNTU without formatting the partition?  :/
[11:25] <chaosmind> do you have UBUNTU on one monolithic partition?
[11:25] <chaosmind> if so, then no; you'll have to back up your home partition and reinstall...
[11:25] <KAIOUCYTE> pardon my lack of knowledge.. but what do u mean monolithic?
[11:25] <chaosmind> =(
[11:26] <chaosmind> one single partition
[11:26] <chaosmind> is your disk formatted into multiple partitions?
[11:26] <KAIOUCYTE> i partitioned in two... one for winxp and the other for ubuntu.
[11:26] <chaosmind> like one for /boot, another for / (root), /home, and <swap>?
[11:26] <Rocha> Always separate you /home from the rest of the system
[11:26] <chaosmind> ah!  so ubuntu is on just one partition...
[11:27] <KAIOUCYTE> yes
[11:27] <chaosmind> yeah, Rocha, good advice!
[11:27] <chaosmind> =)
[11:27] <chaosmind> but for you, you'll have to backup your home dir. now...
[11:27] <TheGreatDinz> why is that good advice?
[11:27] <axonmania> hi
[11:27] <axonmania> I need help
[11:28] <elTigre> hmmpf... still it doesn't know how to handle mp3
[11:28] <membreya> we all do axonmania  :P
[11:28] <chaosmind> it's nice to have /home on a separate partition, it makes backing up in situations like these much easier! ;-)
[11:28] <shadeofgrey> can someone please help me with my mounting issues?
[11:28] <membreya> whats wrong shadeofgrey ?
[11:28] <KAIOUCYTE> the prob. that i have is that UBUNtu only boots into terminal mode... i don't get the gui.
[11:28] <TheGreatDinz> that's true (stupid question)
[11:28] <Xappe> TheGreatDinz, because you'll keep your settings etc. when reinstalling
[11:28] <Rocha> elTigre, strange
[11:28] <membreya> KAIOUCYTE: what happens when you type gdm?
[11:29] <KAIOUCYTE> i haven't tried that.
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> membry: yesterday i mounted my ntfs partition so that i could access my mp3 collection from ubuntu and i created a link to my mp3 folder in my launcher panel
[11:29] <axonmania> I cant use my desktop with nvidia driver with kernel 2.6.8.1-3-686 but I can use it with 2.6.8.1-3-386
[11:29] <Rocha> KAIOUCYTE, with a separate /home you can share it between systems
[11:29] <elTigre> yeah
[11:29] <elTigre> and totem segfaults
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> and everything was working fine until today...  now when i click on the little folder icon it brings up an error saying that theres no action associated
[11:29] <Rocha> I have the same /home for warty and hoary
[11:29] <spades> shadeofgrey: did ya put the fstab entry so it auto mounts? if not mount it again
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> whats that mean and how do i fix it
[11:30] <Rocha> elTigre, warty or hoary?
[11:30] <TheGreatDinz> can you have /home on a VFAT partition so that you can share with XP?
[11:30] <elTigre> warty
[11:30] <membreya> shadeofgrey: go to a console and type sudo nano -w /etc/fstabs
[11:30] <Rocha> TheGreatDinz, nop
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> spades:  i put it in the fstab config file yesterday as the botto, line
[11:30] <bulio> Can anyone help me setup my Usb external dsl pppoe modem with ubuntu live?
[11:30] <membreya> ...and don't pick on me for using nano :P
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> membrey:  what does that do?
[11:30] <Rocha> TheGreatDinz, windows doesn't use a /home
[11:31] <membreya> when you're in the console shadeofgrey and you type mount
[11:31] <Rocha> I don't use windows btw, so i can be wrong
[11:31] <membreya> what does it show ?
[11:31] <jinx_> membreya: I use nano, purely because you end up typing far too many characters with vi
[11:31] <bulio> Can anyone help me setup my Usb external dsl pppoe modem with ubuntu live?
[11:31] <jinx_> membreya: colon this, escape that... I just want to type
[11:31] <TheGreatDinz> right, but what I'm saying is if you want to save files to /home and then get them in windows
[11:31] <membreya> jinx_: I either use nano or gedit :P
[11:31] <TheGreatDinz> but I guess that would be a mess
[11:31] <awtcmc> can anyone help out with a partitioning scheme for a 200 gb harddrive?
[11:31] <elTigre> I think I found the problem
[11:31] <chaosmind> nano or gedit? have the vi vs. emacs wars been preempted? ;-)
[11:31] <bulio> can anyone here me?
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> membrey:  okay - the line to mount my windows partition is at the bottom of the fstab file just as it was yesterday
[11:32] <membreya> no no Chand ... i use both :P
[11:32] <elTigre> when installing gstreamer-mad, it installs the one for gstreamer 0.6
[11:32] <membreya> chaosmind even :P
[11:32] <spades> shadeofgrey: paste the line incase it has an error
[11:32] <membreya> shadeofgrey: ....but when you type mount
[11:32] <chaosmind> LOL
[11:32] <membreya> what volumes are mounted
[11:32] <elTigre> however, gstreamer is used in version 0.8 probably
[11:32] <Rocha> Xappe, another bug i've found today
[11:32] <membreya> chaosmind: ...shush im getting used to being lazy and tabbing everything :P
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[11:32] <Rocha> Xappe, "Networking" app doesn't work with a modem
[11:33] <JDahl> bulio, we hear you... if someone doesnt asnwer questions, it's because noone knows the answer
[11:33] <shadeofgrey> why should i type mount?  doesnt the fstab file tell ubuntu to auto mount it at bootup?
[11:33] <Xappe> Rocha, ok, i'm on a lan connection myself...
[11:33] <shadeofgrey> isnt that the point of having the fstab file?
[11:34] <membreya> shadeofgrey: was just seeing if it was mounted ya nong
[11:34] <chaosmind> my system mounts disks okay (except firewire), but unmounting is usually tricky....
[11:34] <chaosmind> do most people have to issue 'lsof /cdrom -l' to eject CDs?
[11:35] <elTigre> rocha: I had to install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> okay i typed mount
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> it didnt have any errors
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> /dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[11:35] <spades> df -h see if it lists the win one
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> /dev/hda1 on /mnt/windows type ntfs (rw,umask=0222)
[11:35] <membreya> can you change to /mnt/windows
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> i can see it just finein the file manager
[11:36] <elTigre> but totem still segfaults
[11:36] <spades> maybe your simlink is messed up?
[11:36] <membreya> only 58gb free :(
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> its just that when i create a link to it in the launcher it says theres no action associated with the file
[11:36] <membreya> shadeofgrey: .. I think nautilus is having problems
[11:36] <bulio> does Ubuntu have any support for Usb Dsl modems?
[11:36] <awtcmc> can anyone out there help with a partitioning scheme for a 200 gb hard drive?
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> wait
[11:37] <bulio> someone please help me
[11:37] <shadeofgrey> i changed some of my user permissions ...  maybe thats it
[11:37] <membreya> bulio: ...have you checked the forums?
[11:37] <elTigre> ok totem won't segfault anymore, I deleted the playlist left by gentoo
[11:37] <chaosmind> awtcmc: boot drive?  only drive?
[11:37] <bulio> I have
[11:37] <spades> shadeofgrey: tryed simlinking from a terminal? ln -s /mnt/windows /home/win
[11:38] <shadeofgrey> spades: what does that do?
[11:38] <chaosmind> the partitioning scheme for a system depends on what you're going to use it for, personal desktop, multiuser server, etc.
[11:38] <spades> creats a symbolic link
[11:38] <awtcmc> it will be the only drive.  just a home use computer.  most of the space will go to /home for mp3s.  so, i want to have partitions for /boot, /, /usr, swap, & /home.
[11:38] <awtcmc> won't be used as a server, so i don't need separate /var & /tmp partitions
[11:39] <chaosmind> sounds like you know as much as me!  =)
[11:39] <awtcmc> how big to make the /boot, /usr, & / partitions?  will have 1 GB of ddr RAM, is a 2 GB swap partition necessary?
[11:40] <awtcmc> i've heard that 100 mb is good for the /boot partiton, but is this too big?
[11:40] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, /boot = 50 megs (plenty)
[11:41] <awtcmc> or do i even need a /boot partition if i can use something like gnoppix for rescue purposes?
[11:41] <chaosmind> maybe 10 megs for boot, 10 Gigs for root (overkill, but hey), 1 Gig for swap and all the rest for /home
[11:41] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, you won't need 2 gig swap either with that much ram
[11:41] <aeonphive> anyone get mp3 playback which is too fast?
[11:41] <chaosmind> sorry, 100 Megs for boot...
[11:42] <chaosmind> much more than 500 Megs of swap these days is probably wasteful...
[11:42] <Xappe> i would say a 250 - 500 MB swap would be enough
[11:42] <axonmania> how can I build nvidia driver?
[11:42] <chaosmind> nvidia driver==binary only
[11:42] <chaosmind> alas
[11:42] <AndyR> axonmania, do you need to?
[11:42] <chaosmind> =(
[11:42] <awtcmc> how about the /usr partition?
[11:43] <axonmania> I have it but it doesnt work with my current kernel
[11:43] <chaosmind> am i the only one who gets screwed up login screen resolutions after installing the binary nvidia driver?
[11:43] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, I think 5-10 gigs is plenty
[11:43] <AndyR> axonmania, just get the x-server
[11:43] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, with 200 gig drive I would go 10 gigs
[11:43] <awtcmc> also, i'm confused about the use of /usr/local or /opt for software not included with the distro.  which one should be used?
[11:44] <chaosmind> awtcmc: more than 5-10 Gig (like LJ says) is abundant for /usr if you're not going to be installing massive amounts of custom webapps or development systems.
[11:44] <axonmania> I have used it with my old kernel with no problem but after updating to new kernel it doesent work
[11:44] <sys2> wtf is up with a root password set but i dont get to know what it is?
[11:44] <axonmania> I will rebuilt it but how?
[11:44] <spades> sys2: sudo passwd root  reset it
[11:44] <chaosmind> sys2: there's no root account on ubuntu!
[11:44] <awtcmc> if i have a 10 gb /usr partition, then root surely does not need to be 10 gb right?
[11:44] <chaosmind> it's all sudo!
[11:44] <ompaul> sys2, there is no root - it is sudo
[11:44] <shadeofgrey> okay spades i typed the command you requested
[11:45] <shadeofgrey> it executed with no errors
[11:45] <Xappe> when i get money at the end of the month i think i'll go for a 300 GB seagate hdd...900 SEK (around 130 USD)
[11:45] <chaosmind> root, as in the / directory, not the "root" account
[11:45] <spades> chaosmind: i like to use root, easyer than sudo this and sudothat, just su and go about your day
[11:45] <sys2> ehm ?
[11:45] <shadeofgrey> now what?
[11:45] <klaym> what's the command to terminate current running application on terminal?
[11:45] <membreya> hmmmm ...interesting....ive mounted a fat32 partition..however my music videos folder is locked..any ideas?
[11:45] <sys2> now that must be one of the most stupid things i ever heard? :/
[11:45] <spades> shadeofgrey: open your file manager and see if it can browse the /home/win folder
[11:45] <ompaul> sys2, what is?
[11:45] <sys2> the fact that there is no root user :>
[11:45] <chaosmind> command to terminate= kill ( or Ctrl-C )
[11:45] <AndyR> axonmania, you need kernel headers to exactly match the kernel
[11:46] <AndyR> i slipped up on that
[11:46] <shadeofgrey> i can browse to it fine -- even through /mnt/windows  -- i just cant link directly to it for some strange reason
[11:46] <spades> root@amd:/home/lenny # whoami
[11:46] <spades> root
[11:46] <Tomcat_> Why is madwifi in restricted-modules while ipw2x00 isn't? They both have binary-only firmware with them, don't they?
[11:46] <chaosmind> the root user is a convenience, but the sudo system (like MacOS X uses) is in fact a little bit more secure!
[11:46] <ompaul> sys2, (A) there is a root user (B) you do not have the password (C) use of sudo is to be encouraged as it logs the commands used :)
[11:46] <AndyR> i only had headers for -386 not 686
[11:46] <axonmania> yes I know I had downloaded all but it doesnt work
[11:46] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, don't forget the root directory will contain /var. When you do an upgrade apt downloads the packages to a directory in /var and log files are in there as well.
[11:46] <chaosmind> ompaul, =)
[11:46] <sys2> ompaul, and type sudo for each command no matter how many they are?
[11:47] <ompaul> sys2 no
[11:47] <shadeofgrey> hey ompaul can i talk to you in a msg window for a little bit?  Ive run into a very obscure problem
[11:47] <awtcmc> so, is 10 gb too much for / partition?
[11:47] <spades> sys2: sudo passwd root  set a root pass and su up and go about your day
[11:47] <chaosmind> 10gb isn't too much out of 200gb
[11:47] <chaosmind> !
[11:47] <shadeofgrey> awtcmc:  mine is 48 gigs
[11:47] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, with a seperate /usr directory I think that 5 gig is fine
[11:47] <membreya> spades: ....or sudo -s :P
[11:47] <awtcmc> chaosmind, but would 10 gb be wasteful for /?
[11:48] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, but it's up 2 you :)
[11:48] <chaosmind> maybe a little less, if you want more for /home
[11:48] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, no ask in the channel if I think that I have an answer then we _may_ take it to message if and only if think it would bore the socks off everyone and then if I do not have the answer then others moight
[11:48] <spades> membreya: less keystrokes :P
[11:48] <membreya> :P
[11:48] <awtcmc> so, do i need a /boot partition if i can use something like gnoppix for system rescue?
[11:48] <jinx_> hrm.  I've forgotten how to setup linux so that the machine knows it's on a certain domain
[11:49] <LinuxJones> awtcmc, are you planning on dual booting with another operating system ?
[11:49] <jinx_> so I don't have to type 'ssh othermachine.domain' and can type 'ssh othermachine' for example
[11:49] <ompaul> jinx_, have a look at having ssh allow you login without passwords
[11:49] <LinuxJones> jinx_, you need to add an entry in /etc/hosts
[11:49] <awtcmc> linuxjones:  yeah, its a 250 gb drive.  200 gb will be reserved for linux, whatever is left is for winblows xp for gaming.
[11:50] <Phr0stByte> Xsane will not see my HP PhotoSmart 2610xi, though the device prinys fine, I cannot scan. Does anyone have some input on this?
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> okay ompaul - remember yeterday when you and a few others helped me mount my ntfs partition so i could listen to my mp3s?
[11:50] <membreya> hmmmm mplayer .... i can make the window bigger..but the video size isn't changing :\
[11:50] <Phr0stByte> *prints
[11:50] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, we may have given you some advice alright :)
[11:50] <LinuxJones> jinx_, a seperate /boot partition is always a good idea :)
[11:51] <jinx_> LinuxJones: not when I have a DNS server running in my lounge I don't
[11:51] <shadeofgrey> well - i dragged the mp3 folder to my launcher panel so all id have to do to get there is click the folder icon and the entire contents of my mp3 folder wopuld display in a new file browser window
[11:51] <ompaul> Phr0stByte, a pointer to prints?
[11:51] <elTigre> hmm where can I find some info on how to make my cardreader work?
[11:51] <LinuxJones> jinx_, sorry that was for awtcmc :)
[11:51] <jinx_> LinuxJones: i gathered - my response to you was about /etc/hosts
[11:51] <Phr0stByte> ompaul: not following you...
[11:51] <shadeofgrey> well now when i click on the link it says theres no action defined
[11:52] <ompaul> Phr0stByte, that last comment :-) * as in pointer in C
[11:52] <LinuxJones> jinx_, linux uses the /etc/hosts file first when trying to resolve any domain names
[11:52] <LinuxJones> jinx_, it's up to you
[11:53] <Phr0stByte> Xsane will not see my HP PhotoSmart 2610xi, though the device prints fine, I cannot scan. Does anyone have some input on this?
[11:53] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, I know what you are trying to achieve, however I have not done same, just one question is that partition mounted?
[11:54] <shadeofgrey> ompaul:  yes - its auto mounted every bootup - i put it in my fstab file
[11:54] <spades> shadeofgrey: try the thing i pmed ya with, should do the trick
[11:54] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, and you can cd to it?
[11:54] <shadeofgrey> working on it spades
[11:54] <shadeofgrey> and yes paul..  i can even nav to it with nautilus no problem..  i just can't link to it for some reason
[11:55] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, which player are you using?
[11:56] <shadeofgrey> its not a player issue
[11:56] <shadeofgrey> everything plays fine
[11:56] <Xappe> shadeofgrey, what does the .desktop file say?
[11:56] <Xappe> (or the proprties of the link)
[11:57] <shadeofgrey> Xappe:  URL:  file:///mnt/windows/mp3
[11:58] <shadeofgrey> Xappe:  Type:  Link
[11:58] <sys2> heres an idea for you people, about that root think .. most unix people panic if they cant just say "root" as login and a password or no password at all ... make a big red flashing sign telling how to set the root password. ..
[11:58] <Xappe> shadeofgrey, try a link with 'nautilus <folder path>'
[11:59] <spades> Xappe: i told him that and he still says it errors
[11:59] <shadeofgrey> it says the specified location is invalid
[11:59] <elTigre> how can I make gnome mount my usb card reader automatically?
[11:59] <Xappe> strange
[11:59] <aeonphive> anyone know how to check information on sound cards? trying to find which driver i should use for alsa
[11:59] <shadeofgrey> im going to reboot and see if that helps