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| froud | African greeting. Wet, wet, wet in Johannesburg | 08:28 |
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| maskie | dry dry dry in cape town and on my way to the beach | 09:17 |
| abelli | so unfair.. | 09:18 |
| froud | lucky bugger :-) | 09:18 |
| abelli | its snowy here | 09:18 |
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| maskie | ah well ... the wind is not even blowing ... and that say something for cpt | 09:19 |
| froud | hope the weather holds for me. only a few days till I get to Cape town | 09:19 |
| abelli | cpt=cape town?! | 09:19 |
| maskie | abelli, yes | 09:19 |
| froud | They say this time of year is the best time to visit Cape town | 09:19 |
| maskie | froud, it should .. just bring us some of that rain ... | 09:19 |
| maskie | yes it is .... | 09:20 |
| abelli | are you both in Cpt Lug? | 09:20 |
| maskie | only i am so lucky ... froud is in jhb | 09:20 |
| froud | abelli: if you mean am I subscribed, yes I am. Have I been to a CLUG meet, no | 09:21 |
| froud | maskie: why? | 09:21 |
| maskie | lucky about the cpt part ... | 09:22 |
| froud | So which beach you off too, the nudist beach, what's its name? | 09:22 |
| maskie | sandy bay and no .... of to melkbosstrand on the west coast | 09:23 |
| abelli | maskie, why dont we make a cultural exchange between btlug and clug? | 09:23 |
| abelli | i take the sun, you take the snow | 09:23 |
| abelli | if you do like skying it's the best place in the world | 09:23 |
| abelli | ...actually i dont | 09:23 |
| froud | abelli: no way dude, za would not be za | 09:23 |
| maskie | i like my sun ... snow is fine for a week a year when i want to go skiing | 09:24 |
| abelli | in fact | 09:24 |
| abelli | you come here for i week.. | 09:24 |
| froud | Afrikaans is such an expressive language milkbushbeach :-) | 09:24 |
| abelli | wooza | 09:24 |
| froud | woza lapa | 09:24 |
| abelli | i cant go further | 09:24 |
| abelli | sorry | 09:24 |
| abelli | ..mm.. ok woza, not wooza | 09:25 |
| maskie | froud ... yes it is ... i am out of here ... beach is waiting .... | 09:25 |
| abelli | maskie: ciao | 09:25 |
| froud | chow | 09:25 |
| maskie | bye | 09:25 |
| abelli | ..i come there for a month | 09:25 |
| abelli | froud: chow? is it a new kind of us missile? | 09:25 |
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| abelli | froud: za coffee?! | 09:26 |
| froud | Yeap :-) Hey, I am going back to hacking the prose | 09:26 |
| froud | the quick guide needs love | 09:26 |
| froud | abelli: svn up and do some work on Quick Guide | 09:27 |
| froud | it's getting close to the 21 | 09:27 |
| abelli | mmm... good luck.. | 09:27 |
| abelli | im going back to capacitors to | 09:27 |
| abelli | o | 09:27 |
| froud | cummon dude lend a hand here, capacitors are boring | 09:28 |
| abelli | yeah.. but if i do not pass exams.. | 09:28 |
| abelli | i won't make my way through winter safe n sound | 09:28 |
| === froud remembers learning stuff like Ohms and Kerchoffs Laws a long time ago | ||
| abelli | kirchoff | 09:29 |
| abelli | KCL, KVL, Thevenin, | 09:29 |
| abelli | Norton.. | 09:29 |
| froud | Ah yes, those dudes too. | 09:30 |
| froud | Engineering school seems so far away in the past. I must be getting old | 09:30 |
| abelli | are you an engineer= | 09:30 |
| abelli | = | 09:30 |
| abelli | ? | 09:30 |
| froud | yes | 09:30 |
| abelli | what kind? | 09:30 |
| froud | that's my background | 09:30 |
| froud | but I gave up on pulling wire long time ago | 09:31 |
| abelli | electrical? | 09:31 |
| froud | now I just explain how things work :-) | 09:31 |
| froud | yes electrical | 09:31 |
| abelli | my "electrotechnics" [<= is this inglisch] teacher, uses to say | 09:32 |
| abelli | "electronic engineers use voltages like 0.6 V.. | 09:32 |
| froud | It helps to be technical when you are a writer, especially when you write on technical subjects | 09:32 |
| froud | electronics | 09:32 |
| abelli | we electrican ones deal with 10.000V... and that kills | 09:33 |
| abelli | ". | 09:33 |
| abelli | she's a poet | 09:33 |
| abelli | mmm.. no ... i meant | 09:33 |
| froud | Yes, I did electronics basics, but chose Heavy Current | 09:33 |
| froud | I liked the shhhhhock of it | 09:33 |
| abelli | electrotechnics | 09:34 |
| froud | I guess it can be a term | 09:34 |
| abelli | ive got an exam [electrotechnics] on thursday | 09:34 |
| abelli | and something about economy on friday.. | 09:34 |
| abelli | : i need to study | 09:35 |
| froud | enjoy, boy am I glad I dont have to do exams anymore | 09:35 |
| froud | doesn't mean I dont study | 09:35 |
| froud | c ya | 09:35 |
| abelli | icoa | 09:35 |
| abelli | oaic | 09:35 |
| abelli | ciao | 09:35 |
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| Liz | froud? | 02:17 |
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| froud | Liz: | 02:33 |
| froud | hi | 02:33 |
| froud | sorry I had to go out unexpectedly | 02:33 |
| froud | Liz: so what's got you stuck? | 02:34 |
| enrico | hi Liz! | 02:35 |
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| froud | Liz: we're here to help so let's get started | 02:37 |
| froud | oh dear, I guess Liz is preoccupied with something else | 02:38 |
| Liz | hehe | 02:38 |
| Liz | im here..i wandered off to play nethack | 02:38 |
| Liz | for a change i havent died yet | 02:38 |
| enrico | Liz: you need to teach me about that! | 02:38 |
| Liz | hehe | 02:38 |
| froud | Me 2 | 02:38 |
| enrico | (maybe this is not documentation related) | 02:38 |
| Liz | its pretty good..but if you stop playing it..or die..you gotta start again | 02:39 |
| Liz | its not..but anyway | 02:39 |
| Liz | its 12.39am here | 02:39 |
| froud | so Liz what's got you stuck on the docs | 02:39 |
| enrico | but I tried some variant of it, and I thought that was not just really a rpg | 02:39 |
| Liz | how do i get them? | 02:39 |
| Liz | the docs that is | 02:39 |
| Liz | i tried that sv thing..i get an error | 02:39 |
| froud | what error | 02:40 |
| froud | let's start by typing svn [enter] | 02:40 |
| Liz | command not found | 02:40 |
| enrico | sudo apt-get install subversion | 02:41 |
| froud | ok you need to install subversion | 02:41 |
| Liz | ok..installing | 02:42 |
| froud | cool let us know when it is finished. In the interim where do you want to have your working copy of the source | 02:43 |
| froud | should be somewhere in /home/liz/ | 02:44 |
| froud | in a new terminal do cd ~ | 02:44 |
| Liz | yep..thats cool with me..ill just make a folder for it first..so i can link it to my desktop | 02:44 |
| froud | no | 02:44 |
| froud | dont do that | 02:44 |
| froud | is your present working directory your home folder | 02:45 |
| Liz | yes | 02:45 |
| froud | ok once subversion is installed | 02:45 |
| froud | type svn | 02:45 |
| froud | you should get | 02:45 |
| Liz | says svn help | 02:46 |
| froud | cool | 02:46 |
| froud | do svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos [ubuntu-docs] | 02:46 |
| froud | where [ubuntu-docs] is the name of the folder you want | 02:47 |
| Liz | what folder do i want?.. | 02:47 |
| Liz | what folder do i need? | 02:47 |
| froud | just call it ubuntu-docs | 02:47 |
| froud | do like this | 02:47 |
| froud | svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs | 02:48 |
| froud | This will create a folder /ubuntu-docs/trunk inside which you will see it adding all the sources | 02:48 |
| Liz | its asking about the certificate information...reject, accept, temporarily or accept permanently | 02:49 |
| Liz | ill accept | 02:49 |
| froud | accept | 02:49 |
| Liz | ok..i got a list of things going here | 02:49 |
| Liz | right now its up to images | 02:50 |
| froud | cool it's adding (A) the files to the directory ubuntu-doc/trunk/ in your home folder | 02:50 |
| froud | This is known as your Working Copy or WC for short | 02:51 |
| Liz | so this is what i work with?..all these? | 02:52 |
| froud | Yes, your working copy | 02:52 |
| froud | don't worry if you break something it is ok | 02:52 |
| Liz | but im assuming im not doing all of them...correct? | 02:52 |
| Liz | i just work on little bits that i can..right? | 02:52 |
| froud | you cant break the server repos | 02:52 |
| froud | patience | 02:53 |
| froud | has it finished | 02:53 |
| Liz | nope..still on images | 02:53 |
| froud | ok let's wait for it to finish, we will help you though the basics you need to know | 02:53 |
| froud | when it is finished please do cd ubuntu-doc/trunk/ | 02:54 |
| Liz | ok..its just done takescreenshop.png | 02:54 |
| Liz | still doing images | 02:56 |
| froud | it will take a few minutes, the first time is the worst | 02:57 |
| froud | it needs to get a mirror copy of everything in the repos | 02:57 |
| Liz | yes..the pictures would be | 02:57 |
| froud | after that it will only send and receive changes | 02:57 |
| froud | so it becomes much easier | 02:57 |
| froud | Liz: are you running Warty or Hoary | 02:58 |
| Liz | warty..initially..but i upgraded my dist earlier this week. | 02:58 |
| Liz | but it kinda screwed up a little | 02:58 |
| Liz | so i had to go back to using some of the warty stuff | 02:58 |
| froud | so you are now on Hoary | 02:58 |
| Liz | actually..im not sure now | 02:59 |
| Liz | wait..let me check | 02:59 |
| Liz | warty..the amd kernel | 03:00 |
| Liz | ok its done | 03:00 |
| froud | ok now you cd into ubuntu-doc/trunk/ | 03:00 |
| Liz | i have revision 538 | 03:00 |
| Liz | i dont have a trunk directory in there | 03:01 |
| froud | ok what do you have | 03:01 |
| froud | just lots of files and folders right | 03:02 |
| Liz | directories?..i have userguide | 03:02 |
| Liz | quickguide | 03:02 |
| Liz | libs | 03:02 |
| froud | ok | 03:02 |
| Liz | images, housekeep, faqguide, debian, common, adminguide, abutbuntu | 03:02 |
| Liz | sorry..thats abtubuntu | 03:02 |
| Liz | and .svn | 03:02 |
| froud | so your present working directory (pwd) is ubuntu-doc/ | 03:02 |
| Liz | yep | 03:03 |
| froud | do svn up | 03:03 |
| froud | I have commited a change | 03:03 |
| Liz | 539 | 03:03 |
| froud | you will see it patch the quickguide | 03:03 |
| froud | that's right | 03:03 |
| froud | this is how you get the changes residing in the repos into your wc from now on | 03:04 |
| Liz | cool...i see it | 03:04 |
| froud | OK | 03:04 |
| froud | now what text editor are you happy using | 03:04 |
| froud | VIM | 03:05 |
| Liz | gedit.. | 03:05 |
| Liz | or abiword | 03:05 |
| Liz | i dont have alot of experience with vim | 03:05 |
| Liz | but i can use it if need be | 03:05 |
| froud | Ok | 03:05 |
| froud | do gedit quickguide/quickguide.xml | 03:06 |
| froud | this will open the quick guide xml src | 03:06 |
| Liz | yep..looking at it now | 03:07 |
| Liz | and the tages | 03:07 |
| froud | OK that is Docbook XML you are looking at | 03:07 |
| froud | Do you see the top bit colored pink | 03:07 |
| Liz | you mean the <?xml version="1.0." encoding "UTF-8"?> | 03:08 |
| froud | ok that is called the xml-declaration | 03:08 |
| Liz | or the bit that says doctype book public ...blah | 03:09 |
| froud | now this bit | 03:09 |
| froud | <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.3//EN" | 03:09 |
| froud | "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [ | 03:09 |
| froud | <!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "../libs/xinclude.mod"> | 03:09 |
| Liz | ok..mines purple...but yeah, i de it | 03:09 |
| froud | %xinclude; | 03:09 |
| Liz | see it that is | 03:09 |
| froud | <!ENTITY % globalent SYSTEM "../libs/global.ent"> | 03:09 |
| froud | %globalent; | 03:09 |
| froud | ] > | 03:09 |
| froud | this is called the Document Type Declaration | 03:09 |
| froud | Basically it says that this xml file must conform to the rules of the Docbook DTD version 4.3 | 03:10 |
| froud | The document is a book | 03:10 |
| froud | hence the root element is <book> | 03:10 |
| froud | Scroll down slowly, reading the names of the xml elements | 03:11 |
| Liz | what does it mean by this ---> <emphasis>FIXME: MISSING XINCLUDE CONTENT</emphasis> | 03:12 |
| Liz | ok i get that it says fixme..but whats an XINCLUDE comment? | 03:13 |
| froud | the elements are a semantic nomenclature that defines the role of the text | 03:13 |
| froud | OK we have used a standard called XInclude | 03:13 |
| froud | <xi:include href="../userguide/about/chap-ubuntu.xml#xpointer(//para[@id='about1'] )" | 03:13 |
| froud | xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"> | 03:13 |
| froud | <xi:fallback> | 03:13 |
| froud | <para> | 03:13 |
| froud | <emphasis>FIXME: MISSING XINCLUDE CONTENT</emphasis> | 03:14 |
| Liz | yes..i see that bit just before the bit i pasted | 03:14 |
| froud | </para> | 03:14 |
| froud | </xi:fallback> | 03:14 |
| froud | </xi:include> | 03:14 |
| froud | Basically this piece of code fetches a specific piece of text from another xml doc | 03:14 |
| froud | if it does not find it the it outputs the message FIXME: MISSING XINCLUDE CONTENT | 03:14 |
| froud | this way we know if all our XIncludes are working | 03:14 |
| froud | if they are then this code will be replaced by the xml instance to which it is pointing | 03:15 |
| froud | if not we see FIXME: MISSING XINCLUDE CONTENT | 03:15 |
| Liz | ahhh..okie | 03:15 |
| froud | OK I want you to edit some text. Find a para and type something | 03:16 |
| Liz | anything? | 03:17 |
| froud | anything | 03:17 |
| froud | the big brown fox | 03:17 |
| froud | just write it inside an existing <para></para> | 03:17 |
| froud | dont write a novell, just a few words :-) | 03:18 |
| enrico | brb | 03:19 |
| Liz | done | 03:19 |
| froud | When you are done, save | 03:19 |
| Liz | ok | 03:19 |
| froud | now let's go back to that wicked terminal session | 03:19 |
| Liz | i also corrected a typo..heh | 03:19 |
| froud | you should still be in ubuntu-doc/ | 03:19 |
| Liz | ok..terminal window | 03:19 |
| Liz | yep | 03:19 |
| froud | cd quickguide/ | 03:20 |
| Liz | ok | 03:20 |
| froud | svn diff quickguide.xml > quickguide.xml.diff | 03:20 |
| froud | then do less quickguide.xml.diff | 03:21 |
| froud | This is called a patch | 03:21 |
| froud | it contains the changes you made | 03:21 |
| Liz | yes..im seeing that | 03:22 |
| froud | when you're finished looking at that press 'q' to exit | 03:22 |
| froud | Ok you now know how to add text and create a patch | 03:22 |
| froud | if you send me or enrico the patch we will apply it | 03:23 |
| froud | after we have applied it you see it next time you do svn up | 03:23 |
| Liz | so i send the whole file to you? | 03:23 |
| Liz | or does it just make a little patch for that bit..and that sends to you ? | 03:24 |
| froud | you would send just the file named quickguide.xml.diff | 03:24 |
| Liz | i email the file? | 03:24 |
| froud | yes, for now | 03:24 |
| Liz | rightio | 03:24 |
| Liz | one tick while i do that | 03:24 |
| froud | we can then check the patch and add it to the repos | 03:24 |
| froud | no not now | 03:24 |
| froud | Do it in future when you are doing actual work | 03:25 |
| Liz | ahh..ok.. | 03:25 |
| froud | OK let's say you did something wrong and you want to get back the version in the repos | 03:25 |
| froud | just do svn revert quickguide.xml | 03:25 |
| froud | This will eliminate all your changes in quickguide.xml and role the file back to the last known copy in the repos | 03:27 |
| froud | Clear so far :-) | 03:27 |
| Liz | yep..im taking notes as we speak | 03:27 |
| froud | OK you can also log the conversation | 03:28 |
| froud | Where to start work? | 03:28 |
| Liz | yes i know..but i never do, cause im normally in too many irc channels | 03:28 |
| froud | I suggest that you do editing of current text | 03:28 |
| Liz | hence..i take notes | 03:29 |
| froud | ok | 03:29 |
| froud | we use US Spelling | 03:29 |
| froud | and punctuation | 03:29 |
| enrico | Liz: if you want to make a wiki page with the notes, that could be very useful to others | 03:29 |
| enrico | (or you can send the notes to me and I do the wiki page) | 03:29 |
| Liz | ahh..im from new zealand..we normally use UK english | 03:29 |
| froud | so a period go inside inverted comma's when the last work is like "this." | 03:30 |
| Liz | last work?? | 03:30 |
| froud | If you are not sure use the dictionary installed on ubuntu | 03:30 |
| froud | point it ast Websters | 03:31 |
| froud | it at | 03:31 |
| froud | what last work | 03:31 |
| enrico | froud: you wrote 'when the last work is like "this."' | 03:31 |
| Liz | <froud> so a period go inside inverted comma's when the last work is like "this." <--last work..or do you mean last word? | 03:31 |
| froud | oh my bad | 03:32 |
| froud | last word | 03:32 |
| Liz | ahh..ok | 03:32 |
| froud | chicago manual of style will help you with this tuff | 03:32 |
| Liz | ill try and follow the previous lot of writing anyway..or find something that shows me what i need to do | 03:32 |
| froud | stuff | 03:32 |
| froud | great | 03:32 |
| Liz | whats a chicago manual of style? | 03:32 |
| Liz | its not a known university style.. | 03:33 |
| Liz | that i know of | 03:33 |
| sivang | hey froud ! what's up? | 03:33 |
| Liz | we normally follow the harvard style | 03:33 |
| froud | Chicago/Turabian style. The best reference resource is therefore The Chicago Manual of Style | 03:33 |
| froud | http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/cmosfaq.html | 03:34 |
| froud | sivang: beseder gaver | 03:34 |
| froud | mieyanim | 03:34 |
| froud | Liz: the best way to work is in small pieces and commit often | 03:35 |
| Liz | rightio | 03:35 |
| Liz | i have it written down | 03:35 |
| froud | so take a section make edits and submit the patch | 03:35 |
| Liz | and ill get onto it tomorrow..if thats ok | 03:35 |
| Liz | its like 1.30am here | 03:35 |
| froud | no worries | 03:35 |
| sivang | froud: ah everything's fine thank you, been doing some stuff here and there I wan to check out the new doc repository do you have the current URI ? | 03:36 |
| froud | So for example you can take a sect1 do your edit then create a patch and send it to us by email | 03:36 |
| Liz | yes..i can do that froud | 03:36 |
| Liz | thank you | 03:36 |
| sivang | hey Liz, what sections are you going to work on of what book? | 03:36 |
| froud | sivang: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ | 03:36 |
| Liz | right now sivang..no idea ..i only just got it..heh | 03:37 |
| froud | Liz: we are focused on Quick Guide | 03:37 |
| Liz | thats what ill be looking at | 03:37 |
| Liz | the quickquide | 03:37 |
| froud | Liz: if you can focus on that it would be a great help :-) | 03:37 |
| froud | yep | 03:37 |
| Liz | ill update in the morning..to make sure i have the latest stuff | 03:37 |
| froud | Yes | 03:38 |
| Liz | and then ill come to chat and work on it | 03:38 |
| sivang | froud: wow nice | 03:38 |
| froud | Liz: it is good practice to update before you start work and before you create a patch | 03:38 |
| sivang | Liz: ah cool, don't worry, if you get too much docbook in your way, frod will upload your changes ;-) | 03:38 |
| froud | Liz: next time I will teach you more about validation | 03:39 |
| froud | but here's the basics | 03:39 |
| sivang | Liz: are you also a seasoned writer? | 03:40 |
| sivang | Liz: (like froud is) | 03:40 |
| froud | we have a script in the root of your ubuntu-doc/ folder | 03:40 |
| Liz | sivang, no, this is my first time doing this | 03:41 |
| Liz | tho i have done instruction manuals while i was studying | 03:41 |
| Liz | enrico, please tell froud that ill be back later today..its getting close to 2am monday morning here..and i really need to go to bed | 03:42 |
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| Liz | wb froud | 03:42 |
| Liz | and goodnight | 03:42 |
| Liz | its getting up to 2am here..i really need to go to bed | 03:42 |
| enrico | froud: Liz told me she'll be back later today..its ting close to 2am monday morning there... and she really needs to go to bed | 03:43 |
| Liz | i will be back later today tho | 03:43 |
| enrico | Liz :) | 03:43 |
| froud | as sivang said, dont worry too much about getting the markup right I will fix it | 03:43 |
| froud | Liz: good night | 03:43 |
| Liz | goodnight guys | 03:43 |
| enrico | Liz: goodnight! | 03:43 |
| enrico | too slow | 03:43 |
| froud | whewwwwww, that was heavy | 03:43 |
| froud | sivang: can we expectsome patches from you soon? | 03:57 |
| enrico | sivang: yes, I want to see a mail with your name on ubuntu-commits! | 03:59 |
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| froud | anybody else lurking on the side. We are so close and the Quick Guide is going strong a bit of help from everyone and I am sure we can bring this in for the freeze. | 04:01 |
| froud | enrico: I think the current quick guide is a good base to improve on | 04:01 |
| froud | enrico: jeff is concerned about the tips though | 04:03 |
| froud | enrico: he feels that it will be tough going to add tips everywhere before the freeze | 04:03 |
| froud | I suggest we comment them and then uncomment them back again after we have tagged | 04:04 |
| froud | when do you actually want to create the tag, by what date? | 04:04 |
| froud | 21? | 04:04 |
| froud | if we tag you will have to write the deb packaging so that it creates the packages from the tag | 04:05 |
| froud | not the trunk | 04:05 |
| enrico | uhm... no need to: you just checkout the tagged version and build the packages from it | 04:07 |
| froud | Oh yes, the paths are relative right? :_) | 04:08 |
| enrico | WRT the tips, we can leave them there: then some will have some tips and some won't but that's not too bad | 04:08 |
| enrico | everything is relative | 04:08 |
| froud | ok | 04:08 |
| froud | well I am off, b c'ing ya all later | 04:09 |
| enrico | froud: see you! | 04:18 |
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