[12:01] <Xappe> shadeofgrey, if you do the  'nautilus <folder path>' it should be of application type, not link, I suppose
[12:02] <awtcmc> is a /boot partition required if i plan on using gnoppix for system rescue?
[12:02] <chaosmind> sys2: heh, ubuntu and MacOS X folks alike have had to deal with "No Root User" panic syndrome!
[12:02] <Phr0stByte> Nevermind ppl - fixed it
[12:02] <chaosmind> =)
[12:02] <elTigre> hmpf
[12:02] <chaosmind> sudo is not such an evil system...
[12:02] <sys2> chaosmind, but its not that hard to add a box in the end of the installation noticing a thing like that ... thats quite huge on a unix system :/
[12:03] <elTigre> or can I force my linux system to mount the smart card manually?
[12:03] <sys2> im sure its not but the fact that i do not know what my root password is, or that i have to use sudo freaked me out like hell
[12:03] <chaosmind> yeah, i wish the installer had a smarter "HOWTO" dialogue...
[12:03] <ompaul> aeonphive, what I did eariler today (not on that box now) when presented with two chips was went into the alsa mixer and muted both master volume settings one of them made noise so I was able to point at that
[12:03] <tito> hi
[12:04] <chaosmind> but then i also wish ubuntu had a default-install up-to-date webmin systyem!  ;-)
[12:04] <tito> it's possible to run dreamwvr in ubuntu?
[12:04] <chaosmind> not dreamweaver, but good luck getting NVU installed!
[12:04] <chaosmind> (great workalike, bastard to install in ubuntu!)
[12:05] <chaosmind> you'll need wine or codeweavers to run dreamweaver in linux...
[12:05] <chaosmind> =(
[12:05] <shadeofgrey> Xappe:  Thanks!  That worked!
[12:05] <ompaul> chaosmind, you could write such a webmin system :-)
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> i fixed it!  hallelujah
[12:06] <chaosmind> heh, wish i were sucha programmer!
[12:06] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, you pray not play?
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> does nybody know if there is a version of mirc for linux?
[12:06] <membreya> shadeofgrey: x-chat? :P
[12:06] <tito> and with wine?
[12:07] <shadeofgrey> because i really love mirc and more importantly the kickass script i use for it called peace & protection 4.22
[12:07] <tito> i have a problem with an memory stick, can help me please?
[12:08] <chaosmind> what filesystem on that memory stick, tito?
[12:08] <membreya> does anyone know why only one folder on my fat32 drive is locked?
[12:08] <tito> the filesystem is Ntfs
[12:08] <kent> shadeofgrey, xchat can use scripts aswell. Just rewrite your script for the scriptlanguage xchat uses.
[12:08] <tito> i changed /etc/fstab
[12:09] <shadeofgrey> kent:  peace and protection is almost 200,000 lines of code!
[12:09] <kent> shadeofgrey, what does the script do?
[12:09] <ompaul> shadeofgrey, so start with the bits you use :-)
[12:09] <chaosmind> i have a similar problem, i know the solution has to do with editing the /etc/fstab file...
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> kent:  Its an all purpose kind of script
[12:10] <chaosmind> or so i'm guessing..?  ;-(
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need to know something new...  whats the best graphical ftp application for ubuntu?
[12:10] <kent> shadeofgrey, i use gftp.
[12:10] <chaosmind> mounting filesystems is the #1 issue Hoary needs to solve!
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> chaosmind:  hoary is the easiest filemounting system ive ever used -- im a complete linux retard and i managed to mount my ntfs partition (with the help from the great people here)
[12:11] <jinx_> woha - mplayer is not in the package tree?!
[12:11] <membreya> shadeofgrey: gftp
[12:12] <shadeofgrey> okay.  can i use apt-get to install it?
[12:12] <spades> apt-get install gftp
[12:12] <tito> chaosmind http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=ntfs
[12:13] <jinx_> erm - how can I install (g)mplayer?
[12:13] <shadeofgrey> membry:  probably because you havent given the user permission?
[12:14] <spades> jinx_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850&highlight=mplayer  might need to update the urls for latest codecs and stuff
[12:14] <jinx_> spades: thanks a bunch
[12:14] <tito> how can i read a memory stick in ntfs? i changed /etc/stab an i have problems
[12:17] <cyklus>  for a xeon processor do I use i386 or ia64 installation cd's?
[12:17] <jinx_> i very much doubt you have a 64-bit xeon chip just yet
[12:17] <AndyR> xeon are x86
[12:17] <joh_> are the fast boot and boot splashscreen integrated in array4 ?
[12:17] <AndyR> so 386
[12:18] <AndyR> with 686 kernel
[12:21] <elTigre> I begin to feel at home in ubuntu ^ ^
[12:21] <Xappe> shadeofgrey, :)
[12:22] <thenuke> Can I remove alsa and install OSS instead?
[12:22] <tito> i try monunt /dev/sda1 /usb
[12:23] <tito> mount
[12:23] <tito> and i have problems
[12:24] <elTigre> tito: do you want to mount an usb device automatically?
[12:24] <tito> if i try fdisk -l the device sda1
[12:24] <elTigre> try invoking gnome-volume-manager, an then plug in device
[12:24] <tito> is maked with *
[12:26] <tito> elTigre who i do this?
[12:26] <tito> gnome-volume-manager?
[12:27] <tito> (gnome-volume-manager:4408): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[12:27] <tito> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[12:27] <tito> ** (gnome-volume-manager:4408): WARNING **: manager.c/1202: already running?
[12:28] <tito> you must specify filesystemfile
[12:29] <tito> in mount /dev/sda1 /usb
[12:29] <tito> the filesystem is ntfs
[12:29] <tito> but...
[12:29] <tito> i don't know
[12:31] <K-otiK> is there anyway to get the cpu usage onto your desktop?
[12:31] <K-otiK> like in gentoo?
[12:32] <HillTop> K-otiK, in a consol, type the command: top
[12:33] <elTigre> tito: if gnome-volume-manager is already runnig it should work :-/
[12:33] <cavediver> Hi. I'm looking fr program to rip and encode a dvd and a movie-editor ? Any tips
[12:33] <cavediver> Not mencoder. I'm looking for something graphical in nature.
[12:33] <Ixan> dvdrip
[12:34] <Ixan> kino is a workable movie editor
[12:34] <cavediver> does dvdrip encode also?
[12:34] <tito> whi can't i read stick?
[12:34] <Ixan> yes
[12:34] <chutwig> has anyone else seen any issues with the system locking up randomly when mounting or unmounting devices?
[12:34] <chutwig> i keep getting the feeling that hotplug or the hal isn't getting along well with this computer
[12:34] <cavediver> Ixan: Tried that one, and it won't open any of my files. Seems only handle dv formats.
[12:35] <Xappe> can one trust an app called HAL after 2001: a space odyssey?
[12:35] <Ixan> cavediver: I don't think there is any movie editors who work well with xvid or similar
[12:35] <Ixan> perhaps some gstreamer-based apps
[12:35] <chutwig> hardware destruction layer
[12:35] <thenuke> I just think that ubuntu has a bit bad support for older soundcards atleast :I
[12:35] <cavediver> Hm, can't install dvdrip, stranfe
[12:35] <cavediver> strange
[12:35] <thenuke> something messes something up
[12:36] <chutwig> the last time it froze i was watching a video with totem-xine and i told it to unmount my USB memory key
[12:36] <Ixan> cavediver: source og apt?
[12:36] <chutwig> froze instantly, stopped responding to keyboard input, couldn't ssh in
[12:36] <chutwig> could ping the computer, but that's not really much help
[12:36] <cavediver> get some kind of error. Using apt.-
[12:36] <Ixan> perhaps source is a better alternative
[12:36] <cavediver> dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.14) but it is not installable
[12:36] <cavediver> E: Broken packages
[12:37] <biomic> hey all .. just about to begin the download of the ubuntu iso, jsut wanting to ask a few questions .. firstly, im running an ibook g4 here (1ghz) will that be sufficient to run? .. also i was hoping to be able to dual boot alongside macosx until i completely understand my way around linux, now ive read this is possible but apparently the partitioning is difficult from what ive been reading .. is this so? .. if it is, are there any open sou
[12:37] <biomic> rce ;) programs i can grab to make that any easier ? ... ive used fedora and redhat before on my x86 box which is now trashed and jsut really wanting to get back into linux :D .. thanks all
[12:37] <cavediver> Sorry, I want compiled stuff. I'm to lazy :)
[12:37] <elTigre> tito: sorry I can't dcc
[12:37] <chutwig> biomic: why would you want to install linux on an ibook, though?
[12:37] <chutwig> your airport extreme won't work for sure
[12:37] <Ixan> chutwig: that was helpful...
[12:38] <Ixan> biomic: have you allready partitioned space for your linux installation?
[12:38] <chutwig> Ixan: the whole point of buying a mac is to run OS X, there's a world of cheap PC hardware out there to run linux on
[12:38] <Ixan> chutwig: ibooks are cute, os x is not
[12:38] <tito> ok eltigre gnome is running
[12:38] <biomic> well im getting sick of macosx to be honest but need the gui while im doing assignments at the moment .. i nbought the book because it was fairly cheap $1500 aussie
[12:38] <ompaul> anyone get hoary live to work on a sony viao?
[12:38] <chutwig> Ixan: that's just your opinion, sorry
[12:38] <Ixan> I don't want my freakin' icons jumping
[12:38] <Ixan> ;)
[12:39] <Xappe> haha
[12:39] <Ixan> chutwig: I presume your whole reasoning about buying mac for os x is too? :)
[12:39] <biomic> i like the aesthetics of the ibook to be honest
[12:39] <Ixan> I agree
[12:40] <chutwig> whatever
[12:40] <Ixan> but have you partitioned space for the installation?
[12:40] <Xappe> hmm, i've borrowed a ibook g3 from my dad ,that I never use...
[12:40] <biomic> na unfortunately :\ .. was wondering how to go about all that aswell
[12:40] <Lethorion> hi, is there any good guide to how to use bluetooth keyboard with ubuntu?
[12:40] <jono> has anyone here ever setup a lexmark x125?
[12:41] <tito> elTigre can help me?
[12:41] <Ixan> biomic: hmm.. you need some kind of partitioning tool for os x if you need to resize your partitions
[12:41] <elTigre> probably not
[12:41] <Ixan> As far as I know, the ubuntu installer don't support resizing yet
[12:41] <tito> ok :/
[12:41] <biomic> aah ok then
[12:41] <cavediver> Why did my dcgui-qt break in hoary? Worked perfect in warty.
[12:41] <cavediver> Anyone having the same problem
[12:42] <biomic> how many partitions? ... like just the two (macosx linux) or am i going to have to make the swap etc.. in macosx aswell?
[12:42] <jono> i'm having a print pronlem
[12:42] <ompaul> jono so do tell
[12:42] <Ixan> cavediver: haven't dcgui-qt been abandoned for the new name of valknut?
[12:42] <ompaul> jono ahh lexmark
[12:43] <jono> i set up my lexmark x125 but on linuxprinting.org it says you have to change the device to null or somthingernuther
[12:43] <cavediver> well, the package is called dcgui i think. The package i've installed anyway.
[12:43] <bzbb> I have an install problem
[12:43] <cavediver> Is there another package-name i can try ?
[12:44] <Ixan> well, the version in the repository is quite old, I'm not sure if it is maintained
[12:44] <bzbb> my  ISO passes md5sums
[12:44] <Xappe> cavediver, get the latest valknut from dcgui.berlios.de OR try out linuxdcpp (also known as Wulfor reloaded) from linuxdcpp.berlios.de
[12:45] <bzbb> however, when  I try to install, I get a crc error, as soon as it finishes unziping the kernel
[12:45] <jono> this is the printer setup instructions for redhat and the x125:
[12:45] <jono> For Queue type, select Locally-connected, click "Custom Device" and specify /dev/null as the device. If you don't specify /dev/null
[12:45] <Ixan> wulfor rocks
[12:45] <jono> but i see no option anywhere for dev/null
[12:45] <Ixan> and crashes :)
[12:46] <WillCooke> anyone out there using a WinTV NOVA-T DVB card?
[12:46] <Xappe> Ixan, yes, the handling of tabs are not perfect yet :)
[12:46] <Xappe> *is
[12:46] <apokryphos7> Hi. How can I found out my local IP Address?
[12:46] <WillCooke> www.whatismyip.com
[12:46] <bebek> hello
[12:47] <spades> ifconfig should spit out your internal one if behind router
[12:47] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: *local* IP.
[12:47] <bebek> does anyone know any command line sound card detection ?
[12:47] <apokryphos7> cool
[12:47] <apokryphos7> thanks spades
[12:47] <WillCooke> Ooops, sorry!
[12:47] <Lethorion> is there any kernel image for ubuntu with BT hid ready?
[12:47] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: No worries. =)
[12:48] <WillCooke> :))
[12:48] <AndyR> nn :)
[12:48] <apokryphos7> Could anyone take any time out to possibly help explain the process of port forwarding? It's been hassling me for ages.
[12:48] <spades> did ya check out portfowarding.com ?
[12:48] <ompaul> jono did you try cups and foomatic?
[12:49] <bebek> anyone can help me?
[12:49] <apokryphos7> spades: Yup. Doesn't have my router (has a similar one), but I couldn't find out exactly how to do it. The instructions for the router didn't seem to go through all the steps.
[12:49] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Basically you set up your firewall/router to forward ports that connect to it to ports on a mahcine inside your network.  For example.......
[12:50] <WillCooke> HTTP (web pages) usually connect to the server on port 80
[12:50] <stuNNed> how's everythones experience with hoary and laptops?
[12:50] <razorback_> greetings all    got a question
[12:50] <WillCooke> So, if someone points their browser at your ip address, then the browser connects to port 80
[12:50] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Right. So where do I forward ports like that for, say, torrents? The aforementioned site told me to go to this screen file:/home/francis/portforwarding.jpg on my router.
[12:51] <spades> WillCooke: if yoi have something listening on port 80 yes, if not, they get a non address
[12:51] <bebek> hmmm
[12:51] <WillCooke> then if you wanted to serve web pages from a computer on your network you would set you router to port forward 80 to port 80 on the machine inside your network running apache
[12:51] <razorback_> how do i add an exsiting HD that the raid didnt pick up when i installed
[12:51] <bebek> no one knows any command line sound card detection?
[12:51] <bebek> i remember there is one... long time ago.. in ubuntu, but i can't remember it now
[12:51] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Interesting. But on those details above, where do I find the info for those details?
[12:52] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, your BT client should tell you what ports it's listening on for TCP and UDP perhaps.  What client are you using?
[12:52] <cyklus> I am in the Exim 4 configuration and I want to only be able to send outgoing email when im locally logged in.. what option should i choose or do i need to manually configure this?
[12:52] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: I have no idea. :(
[12:53] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Apologies for my ignorance here, but BT Client?
[12:54] <WillCooke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GNOMEBittorrentGUI
[12:54] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Sorry Bit Torrent, to download your torrents.
[12:55] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Ahh, sorry. Yeah; using Azureus out the moment. Port it listens to is 6881, it says.
[12:55] <spades> apokryphos7: run the configuration wizard, it checks the port to see if its open/fowarded
[12:55] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, OK. Do you have a ADSL router or something between you and the internet
[12:55] <razorback_> anyone know the command to add a hd to raid
[12:55] <bebek> why does alsamixer reports alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:56] <bebek> this is buggering me
[12:56] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Yup, got errors when originally running it. Could try again...
[12:56] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Yup, ADSL router.
[12:56] <bebek> sound card doesn't work.... :(
[12:56] <stuNNed> does anyone uses hoary on laptops?
[12:56] <jazzka> hi!
[12:56] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, OK, point your browser at the IP address (internally) for your router.  With a bit of luck it'll have a nice gui
[12:57] <hibbins> ubuntu
[12:57] <jazzka> How can I set firefox (or whatever) to be the default browser?
[12:57] <fsc> stuNNed, I do
[12:57] <WillCooke> You should find a settings called Port Forwarding, or perhaps called "Virtual Server"
[12:57] <stuNNed> fsc: how goes it w/pm?
[12:57] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Yeah, doing the COnfiguration I get: "Testing Port 6881.... NAT Error"
[12:57] <fsc> stuNNed, i don't
[12:57] <spades> bebek: check in /proc/asound for sounds card info
[12:57] <stuNNed> fsc: you don't do power management?
[12:58] <fsc> stuNNed, nope
[12:58] <stuNNed> ok :(
[12:58] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, OK, you perhaps need to open that port on your firewall as well
[12:58] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Yup, I get a GUI type thing. Screeny: http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/screeny.jpg
[12:58] <apokryphos7> I take it I have to go to the Virtual Server settings?
[12:58] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Well, what do you know.  Same router as me!!!
[12:58] <Nikki> hey ppl
[12:59] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: NO way :D
[12:59] <Nikki> havent used IRC for a looong while
[12:59] <ompaul> Nikki, so is that re then ? ;)
[12:59] <Nikki> re?
[12:59] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Yup, Virtual server, then type that port number in to the first 3 boxes
[12:59] <ompaul> Nikki,  as in wb
[01:00] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Box1 should have a "1" in it already
[01:00] <ne0genius> anyone have experiences with HFS+ working on Ubuntu?
[01:00] <Nikki> oh riight, first time in this channel, just irc in general i meant
[01:00] <aeonphive> anyone hae any idea how to get sound ice1724 [Envy24]  chip (driver:snd-ice1724) to work with Ubuntu?
[01:00] <Nikki> just used linux once or twice and after installation never used it, strange isnt it
[01:00] <WillCooke> brb
[01:00] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Yup, it does.
[01:00] <Nikki> redhat and mandrake that is
[01:00] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: So 6881 into all three
[01:01] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, ok stick your port number in the first 3 boxes, select tcp and then put your local ip address in the last one.
[01:01] <ompaul> Nikki, welcome to a different distro
[01:01] <Nikki> oh by the way do you lot know how close we were to extinction the other day! :P
[01:02] <Nikki> headlines, Brightest Galactic Flash Ever Detected Hits Earth
[01:02] <Nikki> thanks pual
[01:02] <Nikki> paul *
[01:02] <ompaul> Nikki, np flash?
[01:02] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Then click add, then you need to click "save settings" on the left hand frame.  You'll need to reboot. Bye bye for now!................. (watches for disconnect ---> )
[01:02] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Darn it. Little confused with ifconfig. Which one is my local IP?
[01:03] <WillCooke> post a screeny
[01:03] <apokryphos7> hehe
[01:03] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, it probably starts 192.168.0.
[01:03] <WillCooke> apokryphos7 or 10.0.0.
[01:03] <Nikki> it was just a bright flash that happened lots of light years away
[01:03] <kaktus67> Servas
[01:03] <Nikki> if it was closer apparantly there would of been mass extinction
[01:04] <Nikki> ah networking stuff, i'm good at networking :D
[01:04] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, it'll be the one associated with eth0 I expect
[01:04] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Yup, I've got a 10.0.11: www.youmortals.com/stuff/screeny2.jpg
[01:04] <hibbins> ubuntu
[01:04] <kaktus67> buntu
[01:04] <WillCooke> www.youmortals.com/stuff/screeny2.jpg, yup that's the one 10.0.0.11
[01:04] <hibbins> when can i install it
[01:04] <hibbins> i can hardly wait
[01:04] <apokryphos7> Cool
[01:04] <bebek> anyone knows where i can get alsaconf from?
[01:04] <kaktus67> exit
[01:05] <Ainvar> so anyone having any experience with a Dell Inspiron 8600 laptop with Ubuntu?
[01:05] <hibbins> anyone who tried ubuntu and did not like it?
[01:05] <Ainvar> I am looking at purchasing one
[01:05] <Nikki> purchasing one?, that sounds strange
[01:05] <ompaul> hibbins, I guess those ones would not be here :)
[01:05] <Ainvar> hmmm no even a buddy of mine who hates linux with a passion thinks it is pretty slick
[01:05] <bebek> when i did apt-get install alsaconf, it says that alsaconf is provided by alsa-utils.. so i did apt-get install alsa-utils.. but it says that alsa-utils is already installed.  Running alsaconf still says that the command is not found.. what could be happening here????
[01:05] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Are you using DHCP to get an IP address?  That is, you haven't explicitly set an IP address on your machine.  If this is the case, we should probably switch you over to a static IP address (very easy!)
[01:05] <thr1ce> ok...I know that ubuntu is pretty much Gnome; do any other WM/DE 's come by default?
[01:06] <thr1ce> bebek, root
[01:06] <bebek> thr1ce: no luck.. still says command not found
[01:06] <Nikki> how did you guys get started in linux, when i install it I end up just sitting looking at the desktop, its like "ok now what"
[01:07] <Nikki> plus it seems like a lot of commands to rememver, lol
[01:07] <bebek> well... apt-get install alsaconf actually says: Package alsaconf is a virtual package provided by:
[01:07] <bebek>   alsa-utils 1.0.8-1ubuntu1
[01:07] <bebek> You should explicitly select one to install.
[01:07] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: It worked! "Testing port 6881.... OK!" =)
[01:07] <ompaul> None of the known magnetars nearer than about 4,500 light years from us.
[01:07] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7, Are you using DHCP to get an IP address?  That is, you haven't explicitly set an IP address on your machine.  If this is the case, we should probably switch you over to a static IP address (very easy!)
[01:07] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7, Hehehe!  That was easy, eh?!
[01:07] <LinuxJones> bebek, alsaconf was left out by the developers on purpose
[01:07] <bebek> :(
[01:07] <ne0genius> anyon got a guide for HFS+ support in ubuntu
[01:08] <ompaul> Nikki, well you really need a job for a computer no matter what operating system to make good use of it
[01:08] <bebek> my sound card wont work in ubuntu then :(
[01:08] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Hmm, re: DHCP, I think so. On Ubuntu start up originally I think I did that.
[01:08] <LinuxJones> bebek, what card is it ?
[01:08] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Sure was easy thanks to you. I really really appreciate man, thanks. =)
[01:08] <bebek> yamaha opl3sa2
[01:08] <bebek> when i did modprobe opl3sa2  it doesn
[01:08] <bebek> it doesn't complain at all
[01:08] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7,  OK, for the sake of completeness, I'll explain why we need to change this...
[01:09] <bebek> so i guess it's opl3sa2 (isa card i guess)
[01:09] <Nikki> yeah I know, just feels strange
[01:09] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Cool. =)
[01:09] <Nikki> some apps i use a lot dont work, like this trainign program and some router emulators, i need em
[01:10] <LinuxJones> bebek, lsmod | grep opl3sa2 does it have any modules listed ?
[01:10] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7,  Every time you boot your machine it broadcasts on your local network to see if there is a DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) sever that can supply it with an IP addres, a gateway (to the 'net) and lots of other good stuff.
[01:10] <bebek> yeah..... opl3sa2, ad1848, mpu401, sound
[01:10] <apokryphos7> right
[01:10] <satu_rno> qualche italiano in chat?
[01:10] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7,   Your router is running this server and it sends a message back containg all the IP info.  Linux uses this info, configures the network, and your off.
[01:11] <satu_rno> hi!!!!
[01:11] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7,  Now.... if one day there was another machine on your network which asked for an IP address, your server would probably take the first one on it's list and give it to the first computer that asks for it.
[01:12] <apokryphos7> sure
[01:12] <LinuxJones> bebek, those are oss modules, if they are loaded alsa will not work. You should be able to use those using oss, do gstreamer-properties and select oss then test.
[01:12] <bebek> LinuxJones: but then when i run "alsamixer" it still says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:12] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7,  Then you switch on your computer and get the next IP address, 10.1.1.12.
[01:12] <bebek> eh??
[01:12] <Nikki> gtg, cya
[01:12] <bebek> linuxjones: for the "default sink"  or "default source" ?
[01:12] <LinuxJones> bebek, type gstreamer-properties in console then for output select oss form the dropdown list
[01:13] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7,  Now your router is sending all port 6881 data to the other machine, not your machine.  So BT stops working
[01:13] <satu_rno> can anyone help me to configure umts mobile phone connection?
[01:13] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7,  So, we'll make your computer always use the same IP address, that way you know the "Virtual Servers" on your router always point to the right computer
[01:13] <satu_rno> for linux ubuntu!
[01:13] <bebek> linuxjones:  there are only "default sink" and "default source", no "output" i guess you are talking about "default sink" ? default sink scurrently points to "ESD - Enlight bal balbal" , and default source points to "OSS"
[01:13] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Oh. Azureus seems to be working very well now, for the record. First time I've had green smiley faces on the torrents.
[01:14] <Wop2> Does anyone know how I could change the resolution of he ubuntu login screen?
[01:14] <LinuxJones> bebek, chage it to oss and press test
[01:14] <satu_rno> can anyone help me to configure umts mobile phone connection?
[01:14] <satu_rno> for linux ubuntu!
[01:14] <bebek> linuxjones: oss on default sink is successful, but oss on default source reports: "failed to construct test pipeline for 'oss- open sound system'
[01:15] <WillCooke>  apokryphos7,  from a command prompt type> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[01:15] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: I'm there.
[01:15] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Find the "Primary network interface"
[01:16] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Delete what evers there and stick this in....
[01:16] <apokryphos7> Yup. Underneath have "auto eth0"
[01:16] <apokryphos7> Ok
[01:16] <WillCooke> iface eth0 inet static
[01:16] <LinuxJones> bebek, do lsmod | grep opl3sa2 again then for each module do modprobe -r modulename
[01:16] <Wop2> How could I change the resolution of the ubunutu login screen?
[01:16] <bebek> linuxjones: funny... the default sink only works when i press "test" for the first time.. after that, it will report the same error message ("failed to create pipeline blalbla")
[01:16] <apokryphos7> ( WillCooke: there's two lines of stuff btw, will delete both..)
[01:16] <WillCooke> address 10.0.0.50
[01:16] <LinuxJones> bebek, so sound works ?
[01:17] <WillCooke> netmask 255.255.255.0
[01:17] <LinuxJones> bebek, when you pressed test in oss ?
[01:17] <WillCooke> gateway 192.168.0.254
[01:17] <spades> WillCooke: will this work with other routers? so i can stick in my preferred 192.168.1.101 addy in?
[01:17] <Xappe> Wop2, gdm uses the first resolution in the xf86config or xorg.conf
[01:18] <Wop2> How would I edit that?
[01:18] <bebek> LinuxJones: pressing test on default sink only works for the first time (i.e. when i pressed it again, it failed.. i have to restart gstreamer-properties program to make it work again)
[01:18] <WillCooke> sorry, gateway 10.0.0.2
[01:18] <apokryphos7> ok ;-)
[01:18] <LinuxJones> bebek, once selected just press apply or ok whatever is to accept the values and you should be ok
[01:18] <bebek> LinuxJones: now it doesn't work at all, after running that modprobe -r
[01:18] <universal> can someone tell me how to close down X,?
[01:19] <LinuxJones> bebek, omg
[01:19] <WillCooke> spades, yeah as long as you use the same subnet as your router, and choose an IP address that isn't in the dhcp range
[01:19] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, auto eth0
[01:19] <LinuxJones> bebek, do modprobe opl3sa2
[01:19] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Ok that should do it.
[01:19] <madzzoni> Anyone here knowing which archieve i had to add to my warty apt/source.list to get Gnomebaker?
[01:19] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Cool.
[01:19] <Xappe> Wop2, sudo gedit /etc/X11/<configfile>
[01:19] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Save the file with a different name!!!!!!!!
[01:19] <universal> can someone tell me how to close down X,?
[01:19] <bebek> yeah,, i did that, it works again, but only for the first time... and default source still report that error message
[01:20] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Made a backup ;)
[01:20] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, :D
[01:20] <LinuxJones> madzzoni, i will get you the .deb file to download, it's not available in the ubuntu repos yet
[01:20] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Should I do a full reboot? Router reboot?
[01:20] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, OK, if this all goes tits-up, you know what to do!
[01:20] <apokryphos7> yup
[01:20] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, First you need to change the virtual server settings to point to your new IP address
[01:20] <universal> LinuxJones, do u know how to close down the X?
[01:21] <madzzoni> I got it allready, but dont know how to use DPKG
[01:21] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Ok. So make them point to 10.0.0.2?
[01:21] <bebek> hey linuxjones!!! it works!!!!
[01:21] <bebek> but then the volume is too low
[01:21] <LinuxJones> universal, yeah /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:21] <apokryphos7> ( WillCooke: I actually think there might be another comp with that local ip on the network...)
[01:21] <universal> ok, thx
[01:21] <Xappe> madzzoni, dpkg -i <package name>
[01:21] <bebek> how can i raise the volume ??? (gnome volume applet is not there)
[01:21] <marccd> technically, could I update from debian to ubuntu, just by changing my apt sources and doing apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:21] <madzzoni> Linuxjones:thanks
[01:22] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, 10.0.0.2 is your router, you need to use the same address as you put in the file
[01:22] <LinuxJones> bebek, great it's not alsa but as long as you have some sound working until you can figure out alsa :)
[01:22] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, 10.0.0.50
[01:22] <puterfixer> greetings, ladies and gentlemen. I'm a linux noob and need some help here and there with tweaking Ubuntu :)
[01:22] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Sorry?
[01:22] <bebek> LinuxJones: what about the volume? any idea on how to raise up the volume?
[01:22] <LinuxJones> madzzoni, it's a warty binary but works in Hoary as well >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/
[01:22] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, In the "interfaces" file you added a line "address 10.0.0.50"
[01:23] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Yup.
[01:23] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, and a line "gateway 10.0.0.2"
[01:23] <LinuxJones> bebek, right click and add a gnome volume control applet to the panel
[01:23] <bebek> well.. it says "no mixer"
[01:23] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Ah. Ok. So now on the Virtual Settings I put in... .50, right?
[01:23] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Gateway is your router, address is the new address for your machine (at least it will be in a second)
[01:23] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Spot on
[01:24] <apokryphos7> Cool. That clears things up.
[01:24] <bebek> 'no volume control elements and/or devices found"
[01:24] <puterfixer> I managed to automount my NTFS partitions (one primary, four logical) as /media/c , /media/d and so on. I don't understand 1) why only c appears in Computer and on "desktop", and 2) how can I make the other partitions appear there as well? they are all mounted correctly.
[01:24] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, once you've applied that, you'll need to reboot your router again
[01:24] <marccd> anybody, could I update from debian by changing my sources?
[01:25] <apokryphos7> WillCooke: Alrighty. Will brb.
[01:25] <WillCooke> marcdd, It would be more trouble than it's worth! ;)
[01:25] <LinuxJones> bebek, try right click the volume applet and then perferences select the oss control
[01:26] <bebek> LinuxJones: the problem is...... even the applet won't start up. it's not there
[01:26] <LinuxJones> bebek, mmm
[01:27] <LinuxJones> bebek, try re-starting gnome
[01:27] <bebek> ok...
[01:27] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Cool. Seems fine so far.
[01:28] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Glad you made it back!  I was starting to think that we might need to forward your IRC ports as well, but that seems to be working!
[01:28] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Right.  Where are we?...... OK, yes, erm...
[01:29] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, OK, so now we need to get your machine running on it's new static IP address
[01:29] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Heh, cool. Yup.
[01:29] <apokryphos77> Also need to find a way to tell dear freenode that I'm the real apokryphos ;-)
[01:29] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, you'll loose your network again here for a few seconds I expect...
[01:29] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, from the command line:
[01:29] <WillCooke> ifdown eth0
[01:29] <WillCooke> ifup eth0
[01:30] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Oh, by the way, I'm getting a "Nat Error" on the Azureus configuration now.
[01:30] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, yeah, that's normal
[01:30] <apokryphos77> ok cool
[01:30] <bebek> LinuxJones: no luck.....
[01:30] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Will part normally. brb
[01:31] <WillCooke> hope this works.
[01:31] <Juice-> I am trying to add fluxbox to my ubuntu. but when i try to run /configure i get an error like this: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[01:31] <Juice-> Will i have to add a C Compiler ?
[01:31] <puterfixer> anyone can answer my questions above, please?
[01:32] <LinuxJones_AFK> bebek, can I help you with it tomorrow I am busy atm ?
[01:32] <hypatia> Juice-: first, is there any particular reason you're compiling rather than installing from universe
[01:32] <bebek> LinuxJones: ok.. thx
[01:32] <hypatia> Juice-: and second, yes, there's no installer installed by default, but you can install one by installing build-essential via synaptic or whatever
[01:32] <LinuxJones_AFK> :)
[01:32] <Juice-> hypatia, ok.. so fluxbox is in the synaptic manager?
[01:33] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Hmm, I'm getting a "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0"
[01:33] <trilluser> .
[01:33] <hypatia> Juice-: it is as long as you have the 'universe' repository enabled.
[01:34] <WillCooke> apokryphos7, Hmmm.  Post a screeny of your /etc/network/interfaces
[01:34] <hypatia> Juice-: if you don't find fluxbox, have a look at these directions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[01:35] <LinuxJones_AFK> puterfixer, ask your question in a few minutes someone with a ntfs partition will help you :)
[01:35] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: http://pastebin.com/243902
[01:36] <puterfixer> I already have, LinuxJones :) don't want to annoy by repeating it.
[01:36] <WillCooke> OK, put this under #primary....
[01:36] <WillCooke> iface eth0 inet static
[01:36] <apokryphos77> k
[01:36] <LinuxJones_AFK> puterfixer, check the wiki page and www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:36] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Shall I delete the other lines?
[01:37] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, nope, leave them there, just put it above the "address" line and below the "#primary...."line
[01:37] <apokryphos77> Sure
[01:39] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, then do the  "ifdown eth0".........."ifup eth0" thingy again
[01:39] <apokryphos77> sure
[01:39] <puterfixer> LinuxJones, I have already checked ubuntuguide -- that's how I managed to mount all partitions.
[01:40] <kent> the page www.ubuntuguide.org has some tips that tells user to add entrys to the menu using ://applications, etc,  which will not work for Hoary. A noble thing would be to change those tips to better once as soon as possible. Its not wise to learn new users to do stuff in a way we know wont work for the next release.
[01:40] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: done
[01:40] <Juice-> after installing fluxbox, do i need to manually set it as the wm to be used?
[01:41] <ferris> how do i change the read write permissions on my usb drive from command line (I am using the live cd)
[01:41] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, Good stuff. OK, BT should be working again, and you should have a static IP address.  Meaning it'll work no matter how many people use your network
[01:41] <apokryphos77> Testing Port... OK ;-)
[01:41] <kent> Juice-, if you only want fluxbox and dont want gnome at all, then just choose it from the GDM (login window) in the session settings.
[01:41] <apokryphos77> sweet stuff
[01:41] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, unless someone steals IP 50!
[01:41] <apokryphos77> In which case I'll hunt them down and kill them
[01:41] <Juice-> kent: ok thanks :)
[01:41] <apokryphos77> :P
[01:42] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, Right.  Now you can apply for "Network Administrator" jobs, 'cos you've just covered most of the job in 10 mins! :D
[01:42] <apokryphos77> Hehehe. I can't thank you enough. I really appreciate this.
[01:43] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Not a bad router though, is it? I've found it to be pretty reliable.
[01:43] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, Well, next time someone comes on IRC and asks about Bit Torrent you'll be able to help them!  That's the joy of linux, and especially Ubuntu!
[01:44] <ferris> how do i change the read write permissions on my usb drive from command line (I am using the live cd)
[01:44] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, Yeah, the router is very very good.  It's got a really good firewall on, but it's a P.I.T.A. to set up.
[01:44] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Precisely. I made notes just in case the opportunity rises ;-)
[01:45] <pussfeller> whats the command to show all users in irssi
[01:45] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, If I get stuck with something I usually search IRC logs, so the conversation we've just had might help someone out.  So we've both done our duty!
[01:45] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Yup. That's what I love about Linux, like you said: the very word is almost synonymous with "community".
[01:46] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, Right - I'm going to try and install a new kernel.  I've been trying to get it to work all day, and it's just finished compiling for the 8th time.  So, if it works, I'll be back, if it doesn't I'm going to have a beer and watch the telly, and try again tomorrow.
[01:47] <chillywi1ly> does polypaudio replace esound?
[01:47] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Good luck! Hope it pans out. Thanks again for the help.
[01:47] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, No worries.
[01:47] <apokryphos77> =)
[01:47] <chillywi1ly> looks like it
[01:48] <ferris> how do i change the read write permissions on my usb drive from command line (I am using the live cd)?
[01:48] <chillywi1ly> should I let dist-upgrade rip esound out and install polypaudio?
[01:48] <apokryphos77> ferris: chmod
[01:54] <ferris> i still cannot write to the disk
[01:54] <ferris> it says that I am not the owner
[01:56] <apokryphos77> ferris: Hmm. You've definitely made it writable?
[01:56] <ferris> no....
[01:56] <target-X> hello
[01:56] <ferris> i do not think i have done anything to it now
[01:56] <target-X> very stupid questio
[01:56] <larsson_> I have a sound problem. I have installed Ubuntu on an old computer. It got a old Soundblaster 16 (i think) ISA soundcard, and there is no sound. if i type alsamixer, it gives me: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory , any ideas?
[01:57] <target-X> when I connect my mobile phone via bluetooth where is the mount point?
[01:57] <ferris> how can i get to root when running the livecd?
[01:57] <pussfeller> larsson_: do you see it in lsmod
[01:57] <larsson_> I'll check, wait.
[01:58] <pussfeller> i had to manually load the module for my isa card
[01:58] <larsson_> What am i looking for? :)
[01:58] <pussfeller> whatever looks like the alsa module for the soundblaster
[01:58] <apokryphos77> ferris: Hmm, sorry, I have no idea. Perhaps there's something on ubuntlinux, I'll check.
[01:59] <Snipper__> hey i have a GDM question, anyone willing to help?
[01:59] <larsson_> No, cant find anything.
[01:59] <pussfeller> you can always cd to /lib/modules/$KERNEL and look around too
[01:59] <GIMP666> what program could I use to make .avis into a SVCD or miniDVD
[02:00] <pussfeller> its in 'sound' in that dir somewhere
[02:00] <larsson_> ill check again
[02:01] <pussfeller> or google to find out the name of the module related to your card and modprobe it
[02:01] <pussfeller> sorry cant help more, but thats the piece of info I think you need
[02:01] <larsson_> No, it says nothing about sound pussfeller.
[02:02] <GIMP666> what program could I use to make .avis into a SVCD or miniDVD?
[02:02] <apokryphos> ferris: Don't seem to be having any luck. :(
[02:03] <jono> i just installed KDE, how do i change it to my deefault windows manager?
[02:03] <GIMP666> what program could I use to make .avis into a SVCD or miniDVD?
[02:03] <Phusion> GIMP666: you need to convert them to MPeg 2.. to svcd mp2, check doom9.org
[02:04] <GIMP666> so its not like windows, where I can just use avis
[02:04] <kent> jono, on the login-screen, you can choose a session. Choose KDE and make it default.
[02:04] <Phusion> you should be able to play avis with proper playback stuff
[02:04] <Phusion> try gstreamer
[02:04] <jono> k thanks
[02:04] <Phusion> in package manager, do a search
[02:05] <GIMP666> im trying to make avis into svdd
[02:05] <GIMP666> svcd*
[02:05] <Phusion> yeah
[02:05] <Phusion> so you can burn 'em or what?
[02:05] <Phusion> you can't ever just use avis for svcd, you need to convert them, whatever you're using in windows may do that
[02:05] <GIMP666> i can burn svcd, but what linux prog can I use
[02:05] <GIMP666> in windows I can use avi
[02:05] <ReveX> Are there any packages I could setup that contain a collection of tools/libs/etc that are needed for most common builds
[02:05] <ReveX> like GLib
[02:08] <aeonphive> does Ubuntu have 2.6.9/2.6.10 kernels for Warty?
[02:09] <Riddell> aeonphive: no, warty does not get updates (except security)
[02:09] <subterrific> you can always take the hoary kernel and install it though
[02:10] <subterrific> if you think you know what you're doing
[02:10] <subterrific> i did
[02:10] <LinuxJones_AFK> aeonphive, yeah 2.6.10-3
[02:11] <Denisbr> Hello People
[02:11] <ferris> apokryphos, I was able to change the permissions through chmod 777 /mnt/sda1
[02:12] <ferris> thanks
[02:12] <apokryphos> ferris: cool :)
[02:12] <aeonphive> LinuxJones_AFK: thanks
[02:14] <evarlast> /last
[02:17] <mouche> Does anyone know of any good wiki or wiki-like apps that will work with gnome or iceWM and that don't require a server?
[02:18] <mouche> (and that preferably don't require building from source-- I've never done that)
[02:22] <Riddell> mouche: emacs?
[02:24] <foznot> my dvd playback is wretched with ubuntu and totem with gxine, any suggestions?
[02:26] <Ainvar> can anyone tell me if a laptop running this type of cpu will be a little powerful?   Intel PentiumM Processor 745 (1.80GHz/400MHz FSB)
[02:26] <Ainvar> and how well will it run linux
[02:26] <|QuaD|> very well
[02:27] <FR500> hi
[02:28] <FR500> what is Hoary Array 4?
[02:28] <apokryphos> FR500: The fourth Array of Hoary.
[02:29] <FR500> and that means?
[02:29] <foznot> hooray for hoary
[02:29] <FR500> something like rc4?
[02:30] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:30] <apokryphos> FR500: Pretty much. I think of it as the beta stages.
[02:31] <FR500> oh ok
[02:31] <FR500> and that is the latest one
[02:31] <apokryphos> 'tis
[02:31] <FR500> dang i should be close to recieving my warty cds, and now i release next stable version should be close
[02:32] <apokryphos> heh
[02:33] <apokryphos> no worries. You can just do the apt-get dist-upgrade, of course.
[02:34] <shadeofgrey> whats the best equivellant to Trillian for linux?
[02:34] <GammaRay> gaim
[02:34] <FR500> well wouldnt that take looong?
[02:34] <FR500> i guess downloading the whole cd is faster
[02:34] <shadeofgrey> gaim can do msn, aim, and icq?
[02:34] <GammaRay> yes
[02:34] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:34] <GammaRay> it's a poor name (-;
[02:36] <cocol> i dont use a printer can i remove all cups-stuff?
[02:37] <FR500> skype uses a different network right?
[02:38] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: Kopete :P
[02:39] <apokryphos> FR500: Not that long. Depends on your Internet speed, really.
[02:39] <FR500> dsl 128
[02:40] <apokryphos> FR500: What's the download limit on that?
[02:40] <FR500> like 20kb/s
[02:40] <FR500> 20kbps
[02:40] <apokryphos> Will take some time, but easily do-able. Might take you a night or so, I'd guess.
[02:42] <FR500> i ask because i was adding support for software suspend on my kernel, but it killed my wifi
[02:42] <FR500> so i was thinking about upgrading to hoary
[02:42] <apokryphos> definitely a good idea
[02:42] <apokryphos> and pretty easy, too.
[02:43] <FR500> easier than custom kernel i hope
[02:43] <Flint> hi
[02:44] <FR500> u said apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:44] <FR500> and thats it?
[02:45] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, yup, that's it
[02:45] <apokryphos> Oh wait
[02:45] <apokryphos> you have to change your sources.list first
[02:45] <FR500> i guess it will add an entry on grub in case something breaks
[02:45] <FR500> oh
[02:45] <FR500> ok
[02:45] <apokryphos> I'll get you the link for the file.
[02:46] <Flint> hi is ubuntu as user friendly as mandrake because i own mandrake 10.1 and people on GIMPnet told me tat mandrake is rubbish and that Ubuntu is much better also i am 14 and newbi or about 1-2weeks on mandrake would yourecomend this distro for me?
[02:46] <apokryphos> Actually, I'd recommend using mine -- have some extra repos: www.youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list
[02:46] <Phusion> mmmyes
[02:46] <FR500> flint: yes
[02:47] <FR500> thanks apokryphos
[02:47] <apokryphos> Flint: I find Ubuntu better than Mandrake, yes. Faster for me. Quite user friendly; has a great starting up guide etc
[02:47] <Flint> apokryphos: when you say Quite user friendly what do you mean there is more reading that mandrake
[02:47] <Aegir> Flint, Ubuntu definatly should work well for you
[02:48] <Aegir> Im 16 and a 'Nux intermediate, works great for me
[02:48] <apokryphos> Flint: I've only tried Mandrake 10.0, and yup -- it was user friendly. Ubuntu doesn't have a Graphical Installation, but past that, it seemed pretty accessible to me.
[02:49] <Flint> Graphical Installation! so how do you install it?
[02:49] <Aegir> And Ubuntu's text based install is very easy
[02:49] <Flint> is there gnome?
[02:49] <apokryphos> Flint: Text-based, like Debians. Though, easy yup.
[02:49] <apokryphos> Flint: Gnome is the default, yes.
[02:49] <Flint> does gdesklets work on it?
[02:49] <FR500> Flint: u could try the livecd
[02:50] <Aegir> Heehee, I have my five CD's in the mail on Chipit
[02:50] <Flint> nah ill get the free cd shiping if i do use it
[02:50] <Aegir> *Shipit
[02:50] <Aegir> Yeah, pretty generous offer from Canonical
[02:51] <Aegir> Free CD's and all
[02:51] <Flint> i mgiht gt 10 from www.ubuntulinux.org
[02:52] <elTigre> what do I need to play avis?
[02:52] <apokryphos> elTigre: mplayer/xine/totem/etc.
[02:52] <cocol> totem-xine
[02:53] <elTigre> well totem doesn't play my avis
[02:53] <apokryphos> elTigre: Probably doesn't have the codecs. Get mplayer.
[02:53] <cocol> what is wax?
[02:53] <apokryphos> you will, most probably, have to get extra codecs. See the "restricted formats" article on the site.
[02:54] <Aegir> Righto, was wondering about Totem and differnt codecs
[02:54] <Flint> well thanks but i think i will get used to linux mandrkae for a while
[02:54] <Aegir> Man I love Gnome-Bittorent, I didnt even have to set up port-forwarding and it worked perfectly
[02:55] <Aegir> Yeah, that maybe a good first step
[02:55] <Aegir> I started on Mandrake
[02:55] <apokryphos> Flint: Not a bad distro; go for it.
[02:55] <Aegir> Ditched it after It spat out any program I tried to compile
[02:55] <Aegir> *nods
[02:55] <apokryphos> heh
[02:56] <elTigre> I can't find mplayer in synaptic
[02:56] <apokryphos> Aegir: You probably needed the build essentials ;-)
[02:56] <elTigre> and yes I have universe enabled
[02:56] <shadeofgrey> whats the best way to encorporate file encryption into linux?
[02:56] <Aegir> apokryphos, I was using the community version, every time I did anything 'heavy' with Urpmi the whole distro crashed to hell
[02:56] <travail101> I have a question, that may incur a second question based on the answer to the first
[02:56] <apokryphos> Aegir: I'm sure that's not the norm. ;)
[02:57] <travail101> does the latest ubuntu LiveCD have the linux-wlan-ng drivers and tools?
[02:57] <Aegir> apokryphos, I couldnt care, I have Ubuntu now and it works like a charm
[02:57] <Aegir> :D
[02:57] <Aegir> First distro thats allowed me to ditch windows altogether
[02:57] <apokryphos> Yup; Ubuntu is great.
[02:58] <travail101> but does it have linux-wlan-ng? on the LiveCD...
[02:58] <shadeofgrey> i definately need help with file encryption
[02:58] <Aegir> Heehee, Cedega is 96& downloaded
[02:58] <FR500> travail i dont know that, buut my wifi works fine
[02:59] <GammaRay> shadeofgrey: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/4/2004/04/1/166207
[03:00] <travail101> there aren't any ubuntu devs in here are there?
[03:00] <travail101> I asked in the forumns too...
[03:01] <travail101> I have a Prism2_USB based wifi solution (namely D-Link DWL-122) which is currently only supported by the drivers from the linux-wlan-ng project... gnoppix has it... but knoppix isn't cool in the way that ubuntu is cool
[03:03] <travail101> vale es igual
[03:04] <travail101> entonces puedo probar Gentoo RR4 LiveCD...
[03:04] <travail101> gracias por tu ayuda
[03:04] <shadeofgrey> whats the command for installing the flashplayer for firefox?
[03:05] <shadeofgrey> apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla doesnt work
[03:05] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, what error do you get, and do you run Warty or Hoary?
[03:06] <shadeofgrey> hoary
[03:09] <bigern75> hello ya'll
[03:09] <bigern75> i got a question for ya    please :)
[03:10] <Aegir> Go ahead
[03:10] <shadeofgrey> how do i unpack a tar.gz file?  gzip first right?
[03:10] <spades> gunzip
[03:10] <Aegir> File roller should do it,
[03:10] <bur[n] er> shadeofgrey: tar xvfz blah.tar.gz
[03:10] <spades> tar xzf file
[03:10] <bzbb> shadeofgrey, tar -xzf
[03:10] <bur[n] er> or use file-roller
[03:10] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, tar xzvf
[03:10] <bigern75> kewl     thanx
[03:11] <_4strO> lol everything is possible on ubuntu :)
[03:11] <bigern75> booting kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386   it will not mount mt raid partitionsd
[03:11] <bigern75> *my raid partition
[03:11] <jkl> w00t, mplayer with dvd sucess!
[03:12] <shadeofgrey> crap
[03:12] <bigern75> error 17: cannot mount seleted partition
[03:12] <shadeofgrey> okay i need to know what the command is to delete something
[03:12] <jkl> rm
[03:13] <bigern75> root (hd1,0)
[03:13] <jkl> rm blah(then hit tab) to delete blahblahblah.txt
[03:13] <bigern75> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xfd
[03:14] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, you just answer my question of what error apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla gives you, instead installing and screwing up everything manually
[03:14] <JDahl> you could just...
[03:14] <shadeofgrey> JDahl - it says the archive doesnt exist
[03:14] <jkl> later, room. thanks for the chatter.
[03:14] <bigern75> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hde1 ro quiet splash
[03:14] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, did you enable universe?
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> yes
[03:16] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, try apt-cache search flash. It could be named differently under Hoary
[03:16] <bigern75> booting kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:16] <bigern75> root (hd1,0)
[03:16] <bigern75> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xfd
[03:16] <bigern75>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hde1 ro quiet splash
[03:16] <bigern75> error 17: cannot mount seleted partition
[03:17] <bigern75> sorry for the flood,   but thats the error i get,   anyone know how to fix this
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> okay it got the archive but when i open firefox it doesnt work
[03:18] <bigern75> please,   it willnot find my other hd's
[03:18] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, try entering the url, about:plugins... is flash listed?
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> it says application/x-shockwave-flash flash plugin  swf enabled
[03:20] <jono> when I localhost:631 CUPS asks me for a login and root dosen't work???
[03:20] <shadeofgrey> how do i remove a directory
[03:20] <cocol> shadeofgrey, sudo apt-get install flasplayer-mozilla
[03:21] <cocol> flashplayer
[03:21] <shadeofgrey> couldnt find package
[03:21] <shadeofgrey> just tell me how to remove a directory?
[03:21] <JDahl> jono, Ubuntu disabled browser configuration for CUPS... you have to use the configuration tool from the menus
[03:22] <jono> for my printer I'm supposed to change it to /dev/null but don't know how
[03:22] <cocol> sudo rm -rf /home/yourname/packagename
[03:22] <bigern75> hmmmmm      i wonder if theres another mbr on there from windows
[03:22] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, rm -r <dir>... there's also a handy command called "man" we linux like
[03:24] <bur[n] er> jono == jono from lugradio?
[03:24] <jono> bigern I'm a windows victim
[03:24] <jono> no bur[n] er
[03:24] <bur[n] er> aw, just checkin ;)
[03:24] <jono> I'm a pure kentucky hillbilly :)
[03:25] <elTigre> should I install java support from firefox, or can I install it via apt-get?
[03:26] <jono> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-X125     The second paragraph from the bottom is where I'm stuck :(
[03:26] <JDahl> elTigre, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:27] <JDahl> elTigre, but in summary - you can just apt-get it if you update sources.list
[03:27] <jono> I don't have /dev/null in my drop down menu for the printer
[03:27] <jono> in Devicecs
[03:28] <jono> Devices
[03:28] <spades> it says to use custom
[03:28] <spades> and input /dev/null
[03:28] <jono> i don't see one
[03:28] <zenwhen> o
[03:28] <zenwhen> hello fellows
[03:29] <bigern75> is there a way for ubuntu to ignore other filesystems on other hd's
[03:29] <pestilence> bigern75: edit /etc/fstab
[03:29] <bigern75> but  during boot
[03:30] <pestilence> bigern75: be more specific
[03:30] <bigern75> pestilence, booting kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:30] <bigern75> root (hd1,0)
[03:30] <bigern75> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xfd
[03:30] <bigern75>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hde1 ro quiet splash
[03:30] <bigern75> error 17: cannot mount seleted partition
[03:31] <shadeofgrey> okay guys....  now all i need to know is this:  im a writer and have a huge directory full of all the research outlines and chapter document files for eight different novels and would like to encrypt the contents of the directory with the blowfish cipher at 2048 bits.  how would i go about something like that?
[03:31] <pestilence> bigern75: perhaps that is a problem with your installation of grub
[03:31] <pestilence> does it still boot o.k.?
[03:32] <bigern75> yea   i gotta edit it and take out the root (hd1,0) line and it boots fine
[03:32] <pestilence> bigern75: you have to edit what?
[03:33] <bigern75> well,  i hit enter, then 'd' to delete the line then hit 'b' to boot
[03:34] <bigern75> when i hit enter ....
[03:34] <bigern75> it goes to gnu grub v.95
[03:35] <pestilence> bigern75: definitely sounds like a problem with grub
[03:35] <bigern75> then i delete the line root (hd1,0)   and it boots just fine
[03:35] <pestilence> bigern75: look for menu.lst for grub
[03:35] <bigern75> hmmmm
[03:35] <pestilence> probably in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:35] <bigern75> ok   let me log on
[03:36] <jono> do i have to somehow mount a /dev/null before it will show up in my printer Devices list?
[03:37] <bigern75> ok   i found it pestilence
[03:40] <carlK2> warty - drum drum drum..... anyone know what I am talking about?
[03:41] <bigern75> pestilence,   what should i be lookin for
[03:42] <pestilence> bigern75: well, if you think root (hd1,0) is the problem
[03:42] <pestilence> then look for that :)
[03:42] <pestilence> you should probably comment out the section that contains it
[03:42] <pestilence> beginning with "title"
[03:43] <pestilence> and ending with "boot"
[03:43] <pestilence> actually
[03:43] <pestilence> it will contain almost exactly the error you are getting
[03:43] <pestilence> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hde1 ro quiet
[03:43] <pestilence>                   splash
[03:43] <bigern75> ok  kewl   i found the lines
[03:44] <pestilence> just comment them out, don't delete them ;)
[03:44] <bigern75> ##   right
[03:45] <FR500> i downloaded beep media player and the wma plugin, it installs succefully but it doesnt appear in the preferences nor does work
[03:45] <bigern75> it wont let write to it
[03:45] <carlK2> ok, so perhaps a bit of deatail... I installed warty on a toshiba 2600 and somewhere on boot, drums start playing....
[03:46] <pestilence> bigern75: you have to use sudo to edit it
[03:47] <bigern75> head
[03:47] <carlK2> oh wow .. my gf just fixed it...  how cools is that...
[03:47] <pestilence> bigern75: how are you editing it currently
[03:47] <target-X> Is there a good how to about connecting to a bluetooth headphone (normally used to connect to a mobile phone)?
[03:47] <pestilence> what program
[03:47] <bigern75> i cant
[03:47] <larsson_> I cant change my resolution. The highest one aviable is 800x600, but i want 1024x768 . I am using xorg and the modes are set to 1024x768 but still, it uses 800x600. Any ideas?
[03:47] <pestilence> do you know how to use vim?
[03:47] <pestilence> or pico?
[03:47] <carlK2> well, fixed... now there is no sound (or so I am told)
[03:47] <borgista> larsson...hit alt & +
[03:48] <borgista> until you get to the resolution you want.
[03:48] <borgista> ctrl & alt & + *
[03:48] <larsson_> It just pendles between 640x480 and 800x600
[03:48] <borgista> hmmm...
[03:49] <bigern75> pestilence,   i aint used them b4
[03:50] <larsson_> Any ideas? Cant change it in gnome either. It just says thoose two resolutions.
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> whats the best file encryptor for ubuntu?
[03:51] <pestilence> bigern75: basically, you need superuser priveledges to edit that file.  i'm not sure how exactly this is handled through graphical editors.  i can tell you that if you go to a command prompt and type "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst" you will get an editor which can edit that file :)
[03:51] <borgista> larsson...i'd say try the forums @ www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:51] <bigern75> ok kewl
[03:51] <larsson_> I will do that. Thanks.
[03:52] <pestilence> bigern75: perhaps "sudo gedit ..." would be easier.  i don't know
[03:53] <bigern75> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst   worked great!!    i just need to put ## infront of those lines correct
[03:54] <pestilence> yup
[03:54] <pestilence> be careful...you need to leave at least one "title ...boot"
[03:55] <pestilence> but if you are commenting out the one you *know* is causing the error, there shouldn't be any problem.
[03:56] <bigern75> ok   gedit was better
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> so nobody here encrypts any of their data?
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> you can use gpg/pgp
[03:57] <pestilence> shadeofgrey: yes, use gpg
[03:57] <pestilence> maybe the package name is gnupg
[03:58] <bigern75> ok   im rebooting it   lets see what happens
[03:59] <bigern75> the next line in that grub gave me an error   :P
[03:59] <pestilence> argh
[03:59] <pestilence> does it still boot using your previous methodology?
[03:59] <bigern75> yep
[04:00] <bigern75> its that root (hd1,0)  thats causing the problem
[04:00] <pestilence> bigern75: i'm not sure
[04:01] <pestilence> bigern75: paste the results of "df" in #flood
[04:01] <bigern75> i think theres an mbr on there from windows,  that my be the filesystem ittalkin about
[04:01] <bigern75> df?
[04:02] <bigern75> oh
[04:03] <bigern75> brb
[04:09] <pestilence> bigern75: you are probably right.  i think it needs to say "root (hd4,0)".  try that
[04:09] <pestilence> bigern75: wait.
[04:10] <pestilence> bigern75: ok, i think that's right :)
[04:10] <pestilence> judging purely from the fact that you appended root=/dev/hde1
[04:13] <FR500> i installed beep from source (make install) how do i remove it?
[04:14] <GammaRay> FR500: try make uninstall
[04:15] <FR500> i get an error
[04:15] <FR500> let me see what it says
[04:15] <FR500> nm, worked now
[04:15] <GammaRay> FR500: in the future use checkinstall to generate a deb to install
[04:15] <subterrific> wooo
[04:15] <subterrific> got skype packaged for amd64
[04:16] <FR500> gammaray: how do i do that
[04:16] <GammaRay> FR500: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[04:17] <FR500> ok. is ur name  GammaRay after the band?
[04:17] <GammaRay> yea
[04:17] <FR500> cool
[04:18] <bigern75> im back
[04:18] <PsychoMonkey> does anyone have time for a quick question?
[04:19] <FR500> just ask man
[04:19] <sachs> daniels?
[04:19] <PsychoMonkey> i'm kinda a newbie to ubuntu
[04:19] <PsychoMonkey> installing it for the first on an actual system (no vm)
[04:19] <sachs> i have a problem where it only has two resolutions in system prefs - 800x600 and 1024x768
[04:19] <daniels> sachs: ?
[04:20] <PsychoMonkey> i have a 2 ide hds and 1 sata hd and the install hangs when detecting the sata
[04:20] <PsychoMonkey> someone mentioned something about the different kernels
[04:20] <PsychoMonkey> is there a place to get the most up to date kernels?
[04:21] <PsychoMonkey> or can i find out if my sata chipset is supported by ubuntu?
[04:21] <FR500> hmmm
[04:21] <FR500> though one
[04:22] <PsychoMonkey> sorry if its a stupid question :S
[04:22] <MobyTurbo> PsychoMonkey, the most up to date kernel source is at kernel.org, but that isn't a good idea to run.
[04:22] <pestilence> PsychoMonkey: did you look at the advanced boot options when the cd initially boots?
[04:22] <PsychoMonkey> i know at mandrake's website they have a way to check for compatable hardware, but i'm really trying to get ubuntu to work
[04:23] <PsychoMonkey> trying to look through that now
[04:23] <mebaran151> hey
[04:23] <mebaran151> anyone know if Openoffice 2.0 is up on the mirrors yet
[04:23] <mebaran151> I would like to see it
[04:23] <mebaran151> it looks cool
[04:23] <PsychoMonkey> just curious if anyone else had this problem or if there was someplace to look for specific info on compatable sata chipsets
[04:24] <mebaran151> or does anyone know the mirror
[04:24] <mebaran151> PsychoMonkey, my nvidia sata works fine
[04:24] <bigern75> ok  pestilence,
[04:24] <bigern75> got a prblem
[04:24] <pestilence> bigern75: shoot
[04:24] <PsychoMonkey> so it detected it ok? was it pre-existing or did you add it at a later time?
[04:26] <bigern75> it doesnt have that boot anymore,  it has the other 2,  well when i delete the root(hd1,0) it goes thru, but doesnt boot up
[04:26] <bigern75> it just goes to the command line
[04:26] <bigern75> rooat@xxxxxxxxxx:~#
[04:27] <pestilence> bigern75: ok, so edit the menu.lst file and uncomment out the lines you commented out
[04:27] <bigern75> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lsti
[04:27] <elTigre> I'd like to compile gtkmm application....
[04:27] <elTigre> but after installing gtkmm-dev, there's still no compiler
[04:27] <elTigre> only gcc-2.95
[04:27] <pestilence> bigern75: did you see my suggestion about changing that line to "root (hd4,0)"
[04:27] <elTigre> nothing like gcc
[04:27] <daniels> elTigre: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:27] <bigern75> i tried   maybe i screwed something up
[04:27] <bigern75> ill try again
[04:28] <pestilence> oh, you tried the root (hd4,0) suggestion?
[04:29] <bigern75> yea,   it said it didnt exsist
[04:29] <pestilence> interesting
[04:30] <pestilence> how many hard drives do you have?
[04:30] <stuNNed> Amaranth: think it's  safe to move over to Hoary on a semi-production workstation?
[04:30] <bigern75> 3
[04:30] <pestilence> oh :)
[04:30] <pestilence> then what is this business about /dev/hde1?
[04:30] <bigern75> itried 3,0   nogo
[04:31] <pestilence> oh...you have 2 cd-roms?
[04:31] <Amaranth> stuNNed: At this point I think it might be ok, as long as you can risk having the machine down for an hour at any random time.
[04:31] <pestilence> where is ubuntu installed
[04:31] <bigern75> yea
[04:31] <bigern75> primary hd
[04:32] <mebaran151> anybody know a mirror from which I could get Openoffice 2.0
[04:32] <mebaran151> AMD64 (please)
[04:32] <pestilence> then root (hd1,0) should probably be root (hd0,0)
[04:32] <pestilence> wow
[04:32] <bigern75> hmmmmm  i didnt try 0,0   itried every other combo
[04:33] <bigern75> reboot
[04:33] <pestilence> so
[04:33] <pestilence> the drive at hd0
[04:33] <pestilence> is the master on your primary ide channel
[04:33] <pestilence> assuming you have ide drives :)
[04:33] <pestilence> and the second 0 indicates the first partition
[04:33] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: a mirror?
[04:34] <LinuxJones> OOo version 2 is available in Hoary ...cool
[04:34] <bigern75> hehe    0,0  booted it
[04:34] <pestilence> cool
[04:34] <bigern75> lets see if it sees the other disks
[04:34] <pestilence> i am puzzled as to why it says root=/dev/hde1
[04:35] <bigern75> thats whats in the grub
[04:35] <pestilence> right, but why is it in there :)
[04:35] <pestilence> seems to me it should say "root=/dev/hda1"
[04:35] <msg43> how do I edit gnome menus
[04:35] <bigern75> maybe i screwed up during partitioning
[04:36] <pestilence> bigern75: something happened.
[04:36] <bigern75> :(  its still not picking up the other hd's
[04:36] <pestilence> what do you mean
[04:36] <pestilence> where are you expecting them to be picked up
[04:37] <bigern75> yea
[04:37] <bigern75> i put them on raid0 during partition stage of setup
[04:38] <pestilence> and on top of that, i gotta run...good luck
[04:38] <bigern75> well,   i put the 2 extra dives as raid, then went up and put them on raid0
[04:44] <ReveX> What's the command to untar a .bz2?
[04:45] <MobyTurbo> ReveX, bzip2 -dc | tar xvf -
[04:45] <MobyTurbo> oops, forgot the file name - that comes after the -dc
[04:47] <GammaRay> ReveX: tar xvjf file
[04:47] <ReveX> alright
[04:47] <ReveX> thanks
[04:48] <mebaran151> like a place to get AMD64 debs for Openoffice 2.0
[04:51] <mebaran151> is Openoffice ready for AMD64 prime time yet
[04:54] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: check the repo's
[04:54] <|QuaD|> no mirror necessary
[04:56] <mebaran151> checked
[04:56] <mebaran151> the repos only have liek half of two
[04:59] <stephen-> Hi.. quick question, I didn't install grub, can I boot with the install cd? I don't want grub installed btw.
[05:00] <niptac> is anyone using Nvu on ubuntu?
[05:01] <niptac> does this work nvu-0.81-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2  ?
[05:01] <|QuaD|> niptac: yes, check the www.ubuntuguide.com
[05:01] <niptac> ok thanks
[05:02] <Koki> is it possible to boot Ubunto in VGA mode? If so, how?
[05:08] <bzbb> ok
[05:08] <bzbb> lets say I'm sshed into another machine on my network, how would use that machine's X?
[05:09] <GammaRay> try stating an X app when you log in
[05:10] <GammaRay> starting I mean
[05:10] <bzbb> I get a cannot open display error
[05:11] <GammaRay> make sure the server's ssh allows X forwarding
[05:11] <Ainvar> well hopefully by this time next saturday I will be using ubuntu on my new laptop
[05:12] <bob2> bzbb: ssh -X user@host
[05:12] <bzbb> ok
[05:12] <Koki> where can I find out a list of vga= resolution parameters?
[05:12] <bob2> you need xutils or the equivalent installed on the remote machine
[05:13] <bzbb> bob2, thats installed
[05:14] <bzbb> rock!
[05:15] <Ainvar> hope  ubuntu rulls well on a dell inspiron 8600
[05:20] <bigern75> hey stephen-
[05:21] <stuNNed> Ainvar: hoary or warty?
[05:21] <stephen-> Hey bigern75 :P
[05:21] <bigern75> funny meetin u here ;P
[05:21] <bigern75> cant get no help?
[05:21] <stephen-> bigern75: No :(
[05:22] <ReveX> hm
[05:22] <ReveX> Could anyone tell me what's wrong here:
[05:22] <ReveX> pangox.c:1559: error: `display' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:22] <ReveX> pangox.c:1560: error: `layout' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:22] <ReveX> pangox.c:1575: error: `drawable' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:22] <ReveX> pangox.c:1575: error: `gc' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:22] <ReveX> pangox.c:1577: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:22] <bigern75> greetings ya'll    can u help my friend out here
[05:22] <ReveX> pangox.c:1578: error: `y' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:22] <ReveX> I'm missing something?
[05:22] <bigern75> he has a quick question
[05:22] <stephen-> 8)
[05:22] <bob2> ReveX: you'd need to talk to whoever wrote the thing you're trying to compile
[05:23] <bob2> but make sure you have gnome-devel and build-essential installed
[05:23] <ReveX> It's pango
[05:23] <ReveX> hm
[05:23] <ReveX> How would I install those?
[05:23] <Polako> hola tengo una preg
[05:23] <bob2> recompiling pango seems like a bretty bad idea
[05:23] <Polako> alguien habla espaolllll
[05:23] <ReveX> Well I need to install it anyways
[05:23] <bigern75> quick question ya'll   anyone spare a minute
[05:23] <ReveX> lol
[05:23] <bob2> Polako: obviously not
[05:24] <Polako> o por lo menos escrive ne espaol??
[05:24] <bob2> bigern75: just ask it
[05:24] <bob2> Polako: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:24] <bigern75> ok  stephen-   whats your question!!!
[05:24] <stephen-> [22:59]  <stephen-> Hi.. quick question, I didn't install grub, can I boot with the install cd? I don't want grub installed btw.
[05:24] <Polako> jejej ok
[05:24] <stuNNed> where can i find ubuntu milestone?
[05:24] <bob2> stephen-: yes
[05:24] <bob2> stuNNed: on the wiki
[05:24] <stephen-> bob2: how so? :)
[05:24] <bob2> ReveX: er?  the default install of ubuntu has pango already.
[05:25] <bob2> ReveX: what are you trying to do?
[05:25] <ReveX> compile gaim
[05:25] <stephen-> bob2: I'm new at this ubuntu thing.. I've always used slackware. seems easier so far
[05:25] <ReveX> but first
[05:25] <ReveX> i need gtk+
[05:25] <bob2> ReveX: you absolutely don't need to compile pango to compile gaim
[05:25] <ReveX> and for that i need all these
[05:25] <Polako> la cuestion es que deje instalando ubuntu y la anda que cuando llege me pidio que cree una cuenta de usuario con pass, y la cree
[05:25] <bob2> ReveX: gaim is also installed by default
[05:25] <bob2> Polako: come on dude
[05:25] <ReveX> I know
[05:25] <Polako> pero el prblem es que nunca me pidio la de root
[05:25] <bob2>  Polako: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:25] <Polako> bob2
[05:26] <Polako> ya estoy pero nececito respuesta
[05:26] <stuNNed> so April 4th ok
[05:26] <bob2> ReveX: so what are you doing?
[05:26] <bob2> stuNNed: yes
[05:26] <zinkelement> can anyone offer some help on installing gnophone?
[05:26] <stuNNed> bob2: is it safe to upgrade to hoary on a semi-production workstation?
[05:26] <stuNNed> at this point?
[05:26] <bob2> stephen-: you'd pass it boot options, I guess, but I wouldn't want to do that regularily
[05:26] <bob2> stephen-: why don't you want to instal lgrub?
[05:26] <bob2> stuNNed: I'm not sure...seems ok for me, but a fair number of people are complaining of evolution/OO crashiness
[05:27] <stephen-> bob2: That was a nightmare, I have this on an external usb drive. Grub ended up hiding my hda1 which was my main windows install.. took me hours to figure out.
[05:27] <stuNNed> bob2: two apps i don't use often, thanks
[05:27] <bob2> well, grub will always install on your first disk
[05:27] <bob2> since otherwise it won't be of any use
[05:27] <bzbb> that sucked
[05:27] <stephen-> bob2: Yeah, never used grub before.. always lilo
[05:28] <elTigre> hmm somehow the distutils extension module (python) isn't installed...
[05:28] <bob2> elTigre: it's in python-dev in warty, iirc
[05:28] <elTigre> it should be part of the python distro since 2.0 I think
[05:28] <bob2> (bug).
[05:28] <stephen-> bob2: But anyways, what boot options do I give it?
[05:28] <elTigre> oh thank
[05:28] <elTigre> s
[05:28] <bob2> stephen-: you can install lilo if you prefer it
[05:28] <stephen-> bob2: I'd rather not right now.
[05:28] <Polako> password of root in ubuntu
[05:28] <Polako> please
[05:28] <bzbb> I'm working on my new computer, sshed in, and all of a sudden, I get I shutdown mesg
[05:28] <bob2> Polako: there isn't one
[05:28] <stephen-> bob2: I wanna get this booted up and make sure it works.
[05:28] <bzbb> stupid brother
[05:28] <bob2> Polako: please read the FAQ
[05:29] <zinkelement> help with gnophone anyone?
[05:29] <Polako> ok
[05:29] <bob2> stephen-: actually, I don't think it'll work, since you need an initrd
[05:30] <bob2> and you need something like grub to load it for the kernel
[05:30] <stephen-> bob2: hum, grub floppy disk?
[05:30] <bob2> that might work, but I don't know anything about getting that working, sorry
[05:30] <stephen-> Thats ok
[05:31] <stephen-> I'm going to go back poking arround with it I guess.. thanks again bob2
[05:32] <stuNNed> bob2: thnx m8
[05:32] <devo> Got some problems getting Gnome up.  Hope someone can help.  Getting a warning that sez: unable to read ICE authority file: /home/user/.ICEauthority
[05:32] <bob2> no problem.
[05:32] <devo> I'm running in IceWM presently.
[05:32] <bob2> devo: login on a console (alt-f1).  run 'sudo rm ~/.ICEauthority'.  switch back to gdm (alt-f7). login.
[05:33] <bob2> it's not related to icewm, ICE is an X IPC thing.
[05:33] <bob2> you ran k3b lately?
[05:33] <devo> I know.  I'm just running IceWM so I have some functionality.  Baseicallly I just need to nuke the file that's the problem and gdm will recreate it?
[05:34] <bob2> X will, yes.
[05:34] <devo> nope.  no k3b lately.
[05:34] <bzbb> ok, how do I bring up a window that is a display on the  remote machine?
[05:34] <bob2> or something else that you ran as root
[05:34] <bob2> bzbb: you can't
[05:34] <bob2> bzbb: or you can use VNC
[05:34] <mebaran151> anyone know the status of Openoffice 2.0 AMD64
[05:34] <bob2> not ready yet
[05:34] <bob2> still doesn't build according to LWN last week
[05:34] <bzbb> bob2, too bad
[05:35] <bzbb> makes configuring gnome remotely a bit of a pin
[05:35] <bzbb> pain
[05:35] <bob2> well, not really
[05:35] <bob2> you can run a full gnome session over ssh
[05:35] <devo> bob2: do I do these instructions from IceWM or do I go back to the logon screen?
[05:35] <bob2> or just the programs you want
[05:35] <bob2> devo: if you can login via icewm run it from an xterm or whatever
[05:35] <bob2> it doesn't matter where you run them
[05:35] <bzbb> bob2, it doesn't have to be over ssh
[05:36] <bob2> sure
[05:36] <devo> okay.  we'll give it a try.  <fingers crossed>  <g>
[05:36] <bzbb> is it possible to hit say, ctrl-alt f8 and get a remote machine?
[05:36] <bob2> you could if you wanted to
[05:37] <SiRrUs> anyone know much about setting up a palm pilot to work with ubuntu
[05:37] <bzbb> bob2, how hard?
[05:37] <bob2> start a remote X session in that VT
[05:37] <bob2> not very, but mostly pointless
[05:37] <mebaran151> How come on the repos we have Openoffice2 common and i18n
[05:37] <mebaran151> but we dont have Openoffice 2 -bin yet
[05:37] <mebaran151> it would be nice for me to have a full 64 bit userland
[05:38] <bob2> yes, but OO hasn't been ported to amd64 yet
[05:38] <bob2> so no one can have that with OO, unfortunately
[05:38] <bzbb> bob2, how would I go about doing that?
[05:38] <Koki> hi everyone.
[05:39] <Koki> I need some help to get Ubuntu working on a HP Pavilion laptop.
[05:39] <ions> why are there different directions for PIV vs non PIV PCs for the multimedia player plugin for Firefox?
[05:39] <GIMP666> is there a better apt-get program other than totem? for movies
[05:39] <ions> xine
[05:39] <bob2> GIMP666: gxine is nice.
[05:39] <ions> mplayer is also decent
[05:40] <GIMP666> I have had trouble getting mplayer before
[05:40] <GIMP666> bob2, ill try gxine
[05:40] <GIMP666> another question, whats better. Gnutella(I use) or qtella
[05:40] <ions> nicotine
[05:41] <bzbb> nutella is best
[05:41] <|QuaD|> GIMP666: whats wrong with totem
[05:41] <bzbb> because you can spread it on bread
[05:41] <ions> doesn't answer your question but it's another option
[05:41] <ions> totem is slow
[05:41] <GIMP666> |QuaD|, nothing wrong, just trying out other programs
[05:41] <ions> xine loads in half the time
[05:41] <|QuaD|> GIMP666: oh
[05:41] <GIMP666> i wanted peoples opinion
[05:41] <GIMP666> I'm a test drive
[05:42] <mebaran151> bob2, is openoffice 2 going to be full 64 bit
[05:42] <mebaran151> I thought it was
[05:42] <bob2> mebaran151: "full 64 bit" is not the problem
[05:42] <mebaran151> ions totem with FFMPEG added on is pretty good
[05:43] <mebaran151> bob2, what is then?
[05:43] <bob2> it contains a layer called UNO which has to be ported to each architecture
[05:43] <mebaran151> oh
[05:43] <bob2> it has not been ported to amd64 yet, aiui
[05:43] <ions> I haven't tried that
[05:43] <GIMP666> is there an easy way to install quicktime4linux?
[05:43] <mebaran151> is that going to be ported soon?
[05:43] <bob2> they're trying, and I think the plan is for it to work in OO2, but it's not there yet
[05:43] <GIMP666> if there is could someone PM the steps
[05:43] <mebaran151> coll thanks bob2
[05:44] <mebaran151> saves me some searching
[05:44] <mebaran151> if it doesnt exist yet
[05:44] <mebaran151> kind of like searching for Eldorado with only pretty pictures to spare
[05:44] <mebaran151> do you know if the 32 bit Openoffice.org emul libraries
[05:44] <mebaran151> will be sufficient to run the new 64 bit OO
[05:44] <GIMP666> how do i get a movie file ext to run in gxine instead of totem now?
[05:45] <devo> bob2: thanks my friend!  I'm back in busy ness!
[05:45] <mebaran151> I mean
[05:45] <mebaran151> the new OO2
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> uptime
[05:45] <mebaran151> not 64 bit OO, just a silly wishful slip
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> er, oops
[05:45] <GIMP666> nvm i figured out
[05:46] <niptac> what kernel vrsion does ubuntu come with?
[05:46] <bob2> 2.6.8.1 in warty, 2.6.10 in hoary.
[05:47] <niptac> thanks
[05:47] <GIMP666> anyone a Undergrads (TV show) fan. I want Gimpy's boba fett background, where could I get it?
[05:47] <stuNNed> bob2: what is the extend of the DSDT initrd patch in hoary?
[05:47] <bob2> I'm not sure, fabbione or mjg59 would know about that.
[05:47] <stuNNed> k thnx
[05:47] <bob2> I just know my laptop doesn't need patches ;)
[05:47] <stuNNed> what type laptop?
[05:47] <stuNNed> bob2: what laptop do you recommend?
[05:48] <GIMP666> bob2, tahanks I like gxine alot
[05:48] <stuNNed> bob2: ibm thinkpad?
[05:48] <GIMP666> bob2, it loads the movies faster
[05:48] <bob2> stuNNed: yeah, x40
[05:48] <stuNNed> bob2: thnx
[05:48] <stuNNed> bob2: what about a home workstation?
[05:49] <bob2> stuNNed: heh, my most recent desktop is from 1999
[05:50] <stuNNed> bob2: k thnx heh
[05:50] <stuNNed> hmmm
[05:50] <stuNNed> ever heard of monarchcomputer.com?
[05:51] <stuNNed> they sell linux compat computers in us
[05:51] <bob2> ah
[05:51] <bob2> for a desktop I'd probably build it myself
[05:51] <bob2> I have been thinking of getting one of tthose amd64 shuttles
[05:52] <stuNNed> ok...
[05:52] <stuNNed> amd64 then you think?  for normal everyday use and no doom3 ? ;)
[05:52] <bzbb> how do I fix a ruined .Xauthority file?
[05:52] <bob2> hm, I'm not much of a gamer
[05:52] <stuNNed> me neither really
[05:52] <bob2> bzbb: log out, kill it, log back in again
[05:52] <stuNNed> what's the shuttle?
[05:53] <LinuxJones> bzbb, delete it and re-login again
[05:53] <bob2> stuNNed: little pc's
[05:53] <bob2> one pci slot, two drive bays, pretty quiet if you get a decent fan
[05:53] <stuNNed> ok
[05:56] <danielbell> Hey can someone try and help me with my laptop's sound (I have a feeling it's simply not going to work but i don't want to give up just yet), it's the built in soundcard on an Acer Travelmate 2000, (lspci says "0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller", I've tried a few tutorials using ALSA to configure it but no luck, i'm not sure if I just did it wrong ot if it doesn't work (AL
[05:56] <danielbell> SA compatability list says it works using atiixp module), anyone got some time to help?
[05:56] <danielbell> i got everything else on this laptop working except the sound :(
[06:01] <dad> bye
[06:15] <niptac> the unofficial ubuntu guide says to install nvu-0.80-pc-linux2.4.23-gnu.tar.bz2 - Tarball built on Linspire (Debian k2.4) gcc/g++ 2.95.4 I noticed a latest one is available which is nvu-0.81-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2 - Tarball built on Linspire 5.0 beta (Debian k2.6.10), gcc/g++ 3.3.5
[06:15] <niptac> will the latest one be better
[06:16] <niptac> just not sure if it was built on debian 2.6.10
[06:16] <niptac> and I have warty
[06:16] <xF> I'm running 0.81 on warty and it works fine
[06:17] <niptac> cool
[06:17] <xF> if anything its more stable than previous versions
[06:17] <niptac> xF is it a stand alone or is nvu part of mozilla?
[06:18] <xF> nvu is the standalone version of mozilla composer
[06:18] <membreya> anyone here know how to configure temp sensors on a motherboard with ubuntu?
[06:19] <danielbell> i can monitor mine via proc, with acpi
[06:20] <danielbell> but you can install lm_sensors
[06:20] <danielbell> dunno the apt package for it
[06:21] <membreya> ...may sound stupid but ive only been in linux for 2 weeks...what exactly do you do in proc?
[06:21] <Agrajag> membreya: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[06:22] <danielbell> dan@shit:~ $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRS/temperature
[06:22] <danielbell> temperature:             44 C
[06:22] <danielbell> but yours could be different
[06:22] <danielbell> this is a laptop with ACPI
[06:22] <membreya> just found it lol :)
[06:22] <membreya> thanks
[06:23] <membreya> there's no way to get rpm's of fans? :(
[06:23] <danielbell> have a look in /proc/acpi
[06:23] <danielbell> there's some fan entries there but mine doesnt support it
[06:23] <membreya> my fan only has state :(
[06:24] <danielbell> but im thinking lm_sensors would be what you're after
[06:24] <danielbell> it actually uses the sensor chips on your motherboard to give you info, so if you have a fan sensor you can do it
[06:24] <danielbell> and there's plenty of eyecandy tools for displaying the results
[06:24] <membreya> it's just for torsmo...so doesnt need to be too fancy :)
[06:25] <danielbell> whats torsmo?
[06:26] <membreya> http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/
[06:26] <danielbell> thats cool
[06:26] <red-nix> could someone please post the link for the hoary schedule as in chart of expected development goals
[06:26] <danielbell> so do you configure that to run commands?
[06:27] <membreya> just run it on your desktop ...it has a configure file where you setup everything :)
[06:27] <danielbell> cool. maybe lm_sensors would be your bet
[06:27] <danielbell> id ont know the website, but google will tell ya
[06:28] <danielbell> i've never had it installed before though, never had an interest in monitoring temperatures on my linux desktop
[06:28] <danielbell> only really care about that stuff when im gaming
[06:28] <danielbell> :)
[06:29] <membreya> you can game in linux? :\
[06:29] <membreya> :P
[06:29] <danielbell> no im talking about when i boot in windows
[06:29] <danielbell> i have asus utility that tells me that stuff
[06:30] <membreya> i use my epox stuff...but since i dont game anymore i dont go into windows :)
[06:32] <danielbell> yer i still use windows for games and alot of multimedia stuff
[06:32] <danielbell> linux doesnt have an app that beats dreamweaver imo
[06:32] <OrangeSlice> yea, but dreamweaver is supported in wine
[06:32] <OrangeSlice> what's your point.
[06:32] <danielbell> i dont think mx 2004 is
[06:32] <red-nix> noone know that link by chance ? that shows when gold will come out and so forth
[06:33] <danielbell> thats the one i have
[06:33] <OrangeSlice> besides, it's dreamweaver, adobe golive, and other "what you see is what you get" editors that output broken code that doesn't conform to web standards.
[06:33] <OrangeSlice> I'll stick with Bluefish :p
[06:33] <danielbell> you can set dreamweaver to conform to standards
[06:34] <ions> if you need Dreamweaver to make a site you have no business making sites.... <- opinion of pro Web dev but hey...
[06:34] <danielbell> i dont need dreamweaver, i just want to use it
[06:34] <membreya> lol ions :P
[06:35] <stuNNed> well... if you need FrontPage to make a site you have no business making sites....<- opinion of a user
[06:35] <ions> you spend most of your time cleaning cruft code
[06:35] <danielbell> i dont do anything even that complicated i just like the software
[06:35] <ions> I hate when I get somebody's DW project put in front of me
[06:35] <ions> it always costs them "extra"
[06:35] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[06:36] <ions> DW is for making sites about your car and the drunk adventure you had camping
[06:36] <danielbell> what do they use at a pro level?
[06:37] <ions> for Web dev?  I use Bluefish
[06:37] <OrangeSlice> Bluefish is excellent
[06:37] <membreya> ...if i was in windows I would say notepad :P
[06:37] <ions> last time I paid attention to the Windows world many used Homesite but that was changed a while ago
[06:37] <danielbell> maybe i'll have a look at bluefish
[06:37] <danielbell> i think ihave once before though
[06:37] <danielbell> cant remember
[06:37] <ions> bluefish is pretty nice but it's not wysiwyg
[06:37] <OrangeSlice> http://bluefish.openoffice.nl
[06:38] <ions> if that's what you want
[06:38] <stuNNed> what is wysiwyg?
[06:38] <danielbell> ah ok, i only really use wysiwyg for doing tables, cos tables give me the shits ;\
[06:38] <OrangeSlice> Bluefish is an example of free/oss that rivals commercial software.
[06:38] <ions> what you see is what you get
[06:38] <bloggs> What You See Is What You Get
[06:38] <ions> ewww! no tables!
[06:38] <ions> read up on CSS and tableless design :)
[06:39] <membreya> frames? :P
[06:39] <ions> gah!
[06:39] <danielbell> lol
[06:39] <danielbell> ions: i will
[06:39] <ions> good place to start is a list apart
[06:39] <ions> awesome site
[06:40] <danielbell> url?
[06:40] <membreya> hmmm wonder if i can use frontpage in wine *taunts ion*
[06:40] <ions> http://www.alistapart.com/ + htmldog.com == sitely goodness
[06:40] <membreya> frontpage makes l33t pages!
[06:40] <ions> heh
[06:40] <ions> I did a site for a guy taking his Frontpage site to CSS
[06:40] <stuNNed> ncie
[06:40] <stuNNed> nice
[06:40] <stuNNed> even
[06:40] <membreya> .....fun :P
[06:40] <ions> site went down in size over 60% and looks 10x better
[06:41] <ions> all done in Bluefish btw
[06:41] <Aegir> lol
[06:41] <ions> dieselgeek.com
[06:41] <ions> not a table to be found
[06:41] <danielbell> i just always found writing html stuff tedious
[06:42] <danielbell> i only do webpages cos i like using php, the frontends are the annoying part
[06:42] <danielbell> to me that is
[06:42] <ions> ahhh
[06:42] <ions> hire me ;)
[06:42] <danielbell> some people enjoy designing pages
[06:42] <danielbell> ah i dont do it for work, just for fun
[06:42] <danielbell> until i finish study :)
[06:42] <stuNNed> ions: nice site, fast
[06:42] <membreya> there has to be a kazaa network program for ubuntu >:(
[06:42] <ions> ahh, html is tedious but worth the effort
[06:43] <rev> ahoy all!
[06:43] <ions> like stuNNed just noted, well written html code helps a page render quickly
[06:43] <rev> quite true
[06:43] <membreya> hey there rev
[06:43] <rev> hey membreya
[06:43] <ions> TY stuNNed
[06:44] <pussfeller> membreya: mldonkey unless they changed the protocol and cut them out
[06:44] <rev> anyone know if there are any scripts sitting around for doing a save/restore of settings to a usb key drive (or maybe a floppy, or network- i could adapt it) for ubuntu live?
[06:44] <pussfeller> or run it in wine
[06:44] <ions> giFT gets on fasttrack still doesn't it?
[06:44] <pussfeller> thats diff
[06:44] <pussfeller> well, maybe not
[06:44] <ions> nicotine is better imo though
[06:45] <pussfeller> kazza the ghetto anyway membreya
[06:45] <rev> i had the HDD in this laptop die, but i really don't think i need to replace it- all i really do is connect to my work machine via rdesktop, and browse the web in firefox. but it would be nice if my prefs got saved
[06:45] <rev> kazaa blows, ugh
[06:45] <photoguy41> doesnt ubuntu come installed with X?
[06:45] <rev> soulseek is the best- nicotine for the client
[06:45] <ions> photoguy41: yes
[06:45] <rev> photoguy41: yeah
[06:45] <ions> Xfree
[06:45] <rev> soulseek is goodfor albums
[06:45] <ions> NICOTINE!! :)
[06:45] <rev> kazaa seems to have  alot of singles, pop ones
[06:45] <niptac> danielbell check this out  http://www.nvu.com/faq.html#whatis
[06:45] <ions> it's soulseek but better
[06:46] <membreya> rev: I use it for music videos :)
[06:46] <rev> ions: i know, it uses the same network
[06:46] <rev> membreya: kazaa or the soulseek net?
[06:46] <ions> NVU is OK but it will break CSS
[06:46] <rev> videos i can see kazaa having
[06:46] <bloggs> url for nicotine?
[06:46] <rev> but i bet for the kind of stuff i listen to they don't have em
[06:46] <OrangeSlice> www.google.com
[06:46] <membreya> 971 music vids (39.5gb)
[06:46] <OrangeSlice> :p
[06:46] <photoguy41> then why when i try to compile fluxbox does it say Fluxbox requires the X Window System libraries and headers
[06:46] <rev> membreya: ;)
[06:46] <membreya> rev: of course they have britney spears!
[06:46] <Agrajag> photoguy41: because you don't have the X static libraries and headers installed
[06:46] <rev> photoguy41: it must not have the xfree-dev package
[06:46] <bloggs> :) Thanks OrangeSlice :)
[06:47] <pussfeller> what, you join rooms based upon certian types of music
[06:47] <rev> you can't compile apps unless you have the -dev package, with headers, etc
[06:47] <ions> http://nicotine.thegraveyard.org/ bloggs
[06:47] <OrangeSlice> you're confusing soulseek with direct connect
[06:47] <OrangeSlice> soulseek has a central network
[06:47] <photoguy41> is it on the apt-get repositories
[06:47] <ions> nicotine is
[06:47] <pussfeller> dc++ was pretty cool a few years ago
[06:47] <daniels> why are you trying to compile fluxbox?
[06:47] <Agrajag> photoguy41: yes, and most likely so is fluxbox
[06:47] <daniels> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[06:48] <membreya> dc++ is only good at LANs :P
[06:48] <pussfeller> yes flux is in there, im on it now
[06:48] <pussfeller> i got alot of anime off there
[06:48] <photoguy41> cool
[06:48] <pussfeller> but i think the linux client is banned by alot of hubs now
[06:49] <OrangeSlice> but dc++ has been ported to linux
[06:49] <photoguy41> so if i just got it, and it installed. do i still need to get the dev pkg
[06:49] <OrangeSlice> where the hell have you been?  >;o
[06:49] <membreya> soulseek ....it kind of reminds me of friendster..."make new friends the easy way!!!"
[06:49] <ions> soulseek/nicotine reminds me of the early Napster days
[06:50] <ions> just don't tell Lars
[06:50] <membreya> shhhh ions ...Napster is one of "them" now
[06:50] <bloggs> ANy WinMX equivalent for ubuntu?
[06:50] <photoguy41> i like napster now
[06:50] <photoguy41> i pay for NTG
[06:50] <compmanio36> Ares.....Ares is the answer
[06:50] <ions> heh yeah but the EARLY EARLY days were good
[06:51] <rev> yeah, OG napster- 99-00 was the bomb
[06:51] <ions> google allinurl: foo format rocks pretty good too
[06:51] <pussfeller> the guy who wrote dc++ for linux allowed you to spoof your shares
[06:51] <rev> back in my dorm frosh year
[06:51] <rev> man, best shit ever
[06:51] <pussfeller> or whatever it was called on lin
[06:52] <danielbell> ion what about mozilla composer what is that like?
[06:52] <membreya> no support for kazaa in any of the proggies listed..dont make me go back to windows for my music vids :P
[06:52] <ions> bloated
[06:52] <rev> danielbell: about like what netscape composer was
[06:52] <pussfeller> lars is too busy helping paul mccartney track down beatalicca so they can serve them papers
[06:52] <rev> nvu is based on it IIRC
[06:52] <ions> bluefish is the way to go
[06:53] <rev> yeah, but that's not visual
[06:53] <rev> i mean, i'd prefer just writing it in emacs
[06:53] <rev> but for people who want visual, a non-visual editor isn't the answer
[06:53] <OrangeSlice> visual is evil
[06:53] <ions> indeed
[06:53] <OrangeSlice> conform to W3C standards!
[06:53] <pussfeller> what do you need besides syntax highlighting
[06:53] <ions> very evil!
[06:53] <OrangeSlice> or I'll come to your house
[06:53] <OrangeSlice> with my big knife >;0
[06:53] <ions> OrangeSlice and I will hunt you down!
[06:54] <ions> assimilate you to W3C!!
[06:54] <membreya> as long as ms live w3c will not be all it can :P
[06:54] <OrangeSlice> microsoft is dying
[06:54] <membreya> nooooooooooo
[06:54] <ions> anyone know if the mplayerplug-in is in the Hoary repositories?
[06:55] <pussfeller> heh ms is alive and well
[06:55] <FR500> yes it is
[06:55] <danielbell> i even once considered using those free & open templates people make availiable for when i wanna make a php site but then i can never really find something i want (alot of cool designs though), this css stuff looks cool though
[06:55] <danielbell> maybe i could bring myself to write it
[06:55] <OrangeSlice> People are finally getting fed up and switching
[06:55] <OrangeSlice> it's beautiful
[06:55] <OrangeSlice> the giant will fall!
[06:55] <membreya> actually OrangeSlice I have to admit, in the 2 weeks I've been running ubuntu I've rarely gone into windows....everything is working (tv out, dvd, tv in) ...all happy just need to learn how to transcode dixv to mpeg
[06:55] <stuNNed> ions: what's your opinion of xhtml?
[06:56] <rev> ubuntu is very nice, imho
[06:56] <OrangeSlice> mencoder?
[06:56] <pussfeller> seems that a few big corps are making the switch for their desktops, and thats going to drive adoption
[06:56] <rev> even my mac loving girlfriend is switching their old PCs over to ubuntu
[06:56] <rev> though eventually theyl'l all be replaced by macs
[06:56] <ions> it's ok
[06:56] <OrangeSlice> transcoding will only lose quality though
[06:56] <stuNNed> ok thnx
[06:56] <danielbell> yea i like ubuntu aswell, my teacher gave me a cd
[06:56] <rev> but it's the first linux distro she hasn't abhorred from the start
[06:56] <OrangeSlice> like converting an ogg to a mp3... it doesn't work
[06:56] <danielbell> the proper little cardboard thingy with 2 cds inside
[06:56] <pussfeller> but you wont like it when all those windows users start using linux ;)
[06:56] <danielbell> he had them sitting on his desk heh
[06:56] <rev> OrangeSlice: sure that works, but you can loose quality
[06:56] <rev> but i convert mp3s to oggs often
[06:56] <membreya> OrangeSlice: it works in windows using nero (i burn my episodes of lost to DVD)
[06:56] <rev> for my PDA
[06:56] <OrangeSlice> what did I just say
[06:57] <ions> depends what you're doing - always try and pick the right tool for the job.  Too many people in IT use sledghammers to put in drywall nails...
[06:57] <danielbell> only thing that peeves me off is my laptop sound isnt working
[06:57] <rev> i rip at 256 kbit VBR on my desktop and transcode for ogg, to get nice lil 30 MB albums
[06:57] <danielbell> everything else does except that
[06:57] <OrangeSlice> I rip in lossless and transcode to Musepack
[06:57] <rev> mmhmm
[06:57] <OrangeSlice> I get nice 70mb albums with crystal clear sound
[06:57] <pussfeller> why use musepack if they are already lossless
[06:58] <rev> nice
[06:58] <rev> but i don't tihnk there is a musepack player for pocketpc
[06:58] <rev> maybe
[06:58] <ions> 128oggs work well with my craptastic headphones
[06:58] <membreya> how MUCH quality loss would there be between divx to mpeg?
[06:58] <membreya> or is there a way to directly write the divx to DVD
[06:58] <OrangeSlice> too much
[06:58] <OrangeSlice> mpeg sucks
[06:58] <g> can anybody please tell me where does the local file reside
[06:58] <membreya> g: what "local" file?
[06:58] <ions> which local file?
[06:59] <OrangeSlice> lol
[06:59] <ions> in here> /
[06:59] <membreya> ...a smart a$$ would simply reply on your harddrive
[06:59] <g> i am a new ubuntu user
[06:59] <ions> what are you looking for g?
[06:59] <g> and when i try to get the upgrade
[07:00] <g> that message comes out
[07:00] <ions> which message?  about the local file?
[07:00] <g> yes
[07:00] <pussfeller> what exactly are you trying to do g
[07:00] <ions> can you paste the message here?
[07:01] <g> ok i will
[07:01] <ions> only if it's short - don't flood the channel
[07:01] <g>  ?????????????????????? Configuring acl-pro-installer ??????????????????????
[07:01] <g>   ? You need to specify the directory where your local copy resides. This   ?
[07:01] <g>   ? local copy can be either the raw archive files from your CDROM or an    ?
[07:01] <g>   ? already unpacked AllegroCL installation.                                ?
[07:01] <g>   ?                                                                         ?
[07:01] <g>   ? To abort this installation, enter a blank line.                         ?
[07:01] <g>   ?                                                                         ?
[07:01] <ions> like that
[07:01] <g>   ? Enter the directory containing your AllegroCL copy.
[07:01] <g> excuse me
[07:01] <OrangeSlice> ack
[07:01] <ions> ok, did you download acl-pro-installer?
[07:02] <rev> oooh lisp
[07:02] <pussfeller> isnt allegro for allergies
[07:02] <rev> tasty
[07:02] <g> i think i did
[07:02] <ions> open a terminal
[07:02] <ions> and type 'ls -a'
[07:02] <g> ok
[07:02] <ions> do you see it listed?
[07:04] <g> no i do not see it
[07:04] <ions> hmm ok
[07:04] <ions> type 'sudo updatedb'
[07:05] <g> it say that it could not open database
[07:05] <ions> when that finishes do 'locate acl-pro'
[07:06] <ions> za?  hmmm
[07:06] <ions> did you put in the correct password?
[07:06] <g> yes i did
[07:07] <ions> anyone here know 'find' syntax?
[07:07] <ions> I always forget how to use it
[07:08] <ions> where did you download the acl-pro thing from g?
[07:08] <g> locate acl-pro worked
[07:08] <ions> ok cool
[07:08] <ions> where is it?
[07:09] <ions> brb - need more beer
[07:10] <g> /var/lib/dpkg/info/acl-pro-installer.config
[07:10] <g> /var/lib/dpkg/info/acl-pro-installer.list
[07:10] <g> /var/lib/dpkg/info/acl-pro-installer.templates
[07:10] <g> /var/lib/dpkg/info/acl-pro-installer.postinst
[07:10] <g> /var/lib/dpkg/info/acl-pro-installer.prerm
[07:10] <g> /var/lib/dpkg/info/acl-pro-installer.postrm
[07:10] <g> /var/lib/dpkg/info/acl-pro-installer.md5sums
[07:11] <ions> ok
[07:12] <ions> well there's your answer - that's where the local file is
[07:12] <ions> well...wait
[07:12] <g> how can i delete the file
[07:13] <ions>  rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/acl-pro-installer.*
[07:13] <photoguy41> does someone know the name of the xfree-dev pkg so i can apt-get?
[07:13] <ions> that'll get all of them
[07:13] <crimsun> photoguy41: 'libx11-dev', but you'll probably need more
[07:14] <photoguy41> like?
[07:14] <OrangeSlice> you can use apt-cache to search repositories
[07:14] <OrangeSlice> "apt-cache search <query>"
[07:14] <crimsun> photoguy41: for what do you need them?
[07:14] <g> ok thank you very much
[07:14] <ions> any of you guys have the apple movie trailers working?
[07:14] <photoguy41> well i installed fluxbox by using apt-get install, but now when i open it there is an error, and it says i need those files
[07:15] <crimsun> ions: work fine with w32codecs+{mplayer,vlc}
[07:15] <photoguy41> well thats what it needed when i tried to compile from source
[07:15] <photoguy41> and then i found it on apt-get repositories
[07:15] <crimsun> photoguy41: eh? fluxbox installs just fine from the apt repo(s)
[07:16] <photoguy41> so i dont need to get the others then?
[07:17] <crimsun> photoguy41: no, unless you plan to compile fluxbox, which is not necessary unless you _must_ have the absolute latest version.
[07:18] <photoguy41> no. i just want to use it
[07:18] <photoguy41> but maybe its because it works best in KDE?
[07:18] <crimsun> photoguy41: fluxbox is simply a window manager; it has nothing to do with KDE or GNOME.
[07:19] <photoguy41> oh, well let me post the error
[07:19] <LinuxJones> night all
[07:20] <photoguy41> can i post it, or should i msg it to you
[07:20] <crimsun> photoguy41: paste it onto http://pastebin.ca
[07:20] <ions> heh
[07:21] <ions> canadian pastebin
[07:22] <photoguy41> http://pastebin.ca/6156
[07:22] <Codyman> how can i permanently enable dma on my dvd-rom drive?
[07:22] <crimsun> Codyman: edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:23] <crimsun> photoguy41: what desktop environment were you in?
[07:23] <danielbell> checking for X... no
[07:23] <danielbell> Sorry, X is very much needed
[07:23] <danielbell> dan@shit:~/torsmo-0.18 $
[07:23] <danielbell> typed from gnome-terminal in X :|
[07:23] <photoguy41> gnome
[07:24] <crimsun> photoguy41: gnome was already running metacity for its window manager, so another can't also run on that screen.
[07:24] <crimsun> danielbell: warty or hoary?
[07:25] <danielbell> warty i think
[07:25] <Codyman> crimsun: so like /dev/hdc -d ??
[07:25] <crimsun> danielbell: sudo aptitude install xlibs-dev
[07:26] <photoguy41> how do i kill metacity?
[07:26] <crimsun> Codyman: -d1 /dev/hdc, yes
[07:26] <danielbell> ty
[07:26] <crimsun> photoguy41: if you kill it from within gnome, gnome-session will restart it.
[07:27] <photoguy41> how do i disable it so i can run flux
[07:27] <snowblink> Hi, has anyone built mod_jk for Apache2 on Ubuntu?
[07:28] <crimsun> photoguy41: what are you attempting to accomplish - do you want to run only fluxbox, or do you want fluxbox to replace metacity as gnome's window manager?
[07:28] <photoguy41> i think i want fluxbox
[07:29] <crimsun> photoguy41: then you want to create an ~/.xsession with "exec /usr/bin/fluxbox" as its contents
[07:30] <photoguy41> wow, im new to this, how do i do that
[07:31] <danielbell> you can use fluxbox as a window manager and still have gnome running?
[07:31] <speel> no
[07:31] <danielbell> damn coz i like that shading feature
[07:32] <Aegir> What? Window roll up? Coz thats in Gnome aswell
[07:32] <speel> open a console and make sure your in your home dir then type gedit .xinitrc then add exec /usr/bin/fluxbox close it save it then hit ctrl alt f1 then login again then type killall gdm then type startx
[07:32] <kreiger> Mm
[07:33] <kreiger> anybody know what folder i have to add gnome window borders to?
[07:33] <crimsun> danielbell: sure you can.
[07:33] <crimsun> danielbell: just change the default wm key in gconf
[07:33] <speel> then to get rid of flux you hit alt ctrl f1 or alt ctrl backspace i forgot then you rype rm .xinitrc then startx :)
[07:34] <danielbell> nevermind i found the rollup feature in gnome
[07:34] <danielbell> i couldnt find it im used to it being called shading
[07:35] <danielbell> cool :)
[07:35] <kreiger> how does one switch the default window manager?
[07:35] <crimsun> kreiger: use the configuration editor
[07:36] <kreiger> mm. how compatible is xfce with ubuntu warty?
[07:36] <Dreamer3> anyone know how to copy something from wine and paste into X?
[07:37] <crimsun> kreiger: xfwm4 works well as a window manager with gnome, but there's a less-than-trivial race condition with the session manager
[07:38] <photoguy41> ok so i tried to gedit .xinitrc but it gives me a black dock
[07:39] <photoguy41> blank
[07:39] <photoguy41> doc
[07:39] <photoguy41> is it supposed to have anything in it?
[07:39] <crimsun> use ~/.xsession like I typed above ;-)
[07:39] <crimsun> in it, put: exec /usr/bin/fluxbox
[07:40] <kreiger> Sesson commander?
[07:40] <salti> *oops* Hi all. I was just trying to install AllegroCL (I think)...from a previous chat and now I'm getting a weird error in terminal.
[07:41] <kreiger> sorry, sesson manager?
[07:41] <photoguy41> GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:41] <photoguy41> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:42] <speel> photoguy what are you trying to do? run flux?
[07:42] <crimsun> kreiger: between gnome-session->gnome-settings-daemon and xfce4-mcs-manager
[07:42] <kreiger> mm. can you make that into newb terms?
[07:42] <Dreamer3> anyone, how can i cut ans paste from a wine app to X?
[07:44] <crimsun> kreiger: gnome-session starts a program that conflicts with one that xfwm4 depends on
[07:44] <photoguy41> yes, im just trying to run flux insted of metacity
[07:44] <speel> you have to kill gnome in order to run flux
[07:44] <speel> open a console and make sure your in your home dir then type gedit .xinitrc then add exec /usr/bin/fluxbox close it save it then hit ctrl alt f1 then login again then type killall gdm then type startx
[07:44] <crimsun> (you can run gnome perfectly fine with fluxbox as the wm)
[07:45] <kreiger> Crimsun, so gnome-session will crash xfce if i do something specific? For example, in mandrake, i had enlightenment loaded, and when ever i would load file manager, nautilus would kill enlightenment
[07:46] <snowblink> hmmm, okay I've found the Debian bug# which makes building mod_jk difficult on Warty. Apparently fixed in Apache 2.0.51-1...
[07:48] <snowblink> Can I grab the Hoary package (assuming it's at least 2.0.51-1) with no ill effects?
[07:48] <stuNNed> crimsun: ever use openbox?
[07:49] <speel> and if you dont know what your doing in gnome dont use flux
[07:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: for a long time, openbox2 - then openbox3 - were my preferred wms
[07:49] <kreiger> heh
[07:50] <crimsun> kreiger: no, they won't crash. one of them will just spit out error messages.
[07:50] <kreiger> crimsun, on a constant basis?
[07:50] <photoguy41> ok well i did what you said but it didnt load flux
 and if you dont know what your doing in gnome dont use flux
[07:51] <stuNNed> crimsun: using metacity now?
[07:51] <crimsun> kreiger: no; it's a race condition, and it's not pinnable.
[07:51] <crimsun> stuNNed: no, I'm at work, so I'm technically using whatever XP uses.
[07:51] <speel> what error did it give you in the terminal photoguy
[07:52] <photoguy41> it didnt, it just loaded metacity again
[07:52] <kreiger> Well, i'm looking for a lighter window manager than gnome
[07:52] <stuNNed> crimsun: on your ubuntu box i meant
[07:52] <speel> you sure you made .xinitrc?
[07:52] <photoguy41> when you said home dir did you me /home or /
[07:52] <speel> /home/user
[07:52] <kreiger> lol
[07:52] <speel> or whatever user name your on
[07:52] <photoguy41> ok
[07:52] <photoguy41> sorry guys
[07:53] <speel> its cool ;)
[07:53] <K-otiK> hey has anyone tried installiing kismet on ubuntu?
[07:53] <K-otiK> so you got it to work?
[07:53] <K-otiK> hey speel you got it to work?
[07:53] <crimsun> photoguy41: installing fluxbox via apt-get/aptitude/synaptic adds a session entry to gdm, the graphical login
[07:54] <ata> i'm having opengl problems. everything that uses opengl just seg faults on me
[07:54] <photoguy41> so i should just be able to log into it
[07:54] <crimsun> photoguy41: all you have to do is select Fluxbox in the Session menu
[07:54] <K-otiK> speel you there?
[07:54] <photoguy41> oh well, that should be easy enough!
[07:54] <speel> o nah never tryed it
[07:54] <photoguy41> ha
[07:54] <photoguy41> brb
[07:54] <K-otiK> damn, has anyone else? ever tryed installing kismet on ubuntu
[07:54] <K-otiK> ?
[07:55] <crimsun> stuNNed: for my main user - yes - although I use a variety of wms for different users
[07:56] <speel> got it?
[07:57] <danielbell> this nvu thingy installed to my home dir, id like to have it installed properly, but there's no INSTALL or readme or anything
[07:57] <danielbell> what should i do
[07:59] <Ronan151> cool, thanks guys!
[07:59] <K-otiK> anyone here use kismet
[07:59] <K-otiK> ?
[08:00] <photoguy41> THANKS ALOT!
[08:00] <photoguy41> that worked well
[08:01] <speel> :) np
[08:02] <photoguy41> wow, linux is sweet, i wasnt aware that i could load multipul desktops
[08:02] <OrangeSlice> only in gnome ;)
[08:02] <photoguy41> oh
[08:03] <K-otiK> is there a way in ubuntu to install drivers trhougha gui?
[08:04] <K-otiK> ?
[08:04] <crimsun> K-otiK: depends on the driver. Generally, the drivers are already installed.
[08:05] <dale_gribble> hey guys
[08:06] <dale_gribble> is there a way to install grub to a floppy during the installation?  i don't see an option for it
[08:07] <ata> dale: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/Randy%20Magee
[08:08] <dale_gribble> thanks ata i'll check it out now
[08:09] <dale_gribble> yeah i need to make it before reboot on install, i'm dual booting and its just booting straight to xp
[08:09] <OrangeSlice> remove xp
[08:09] <ata> ah... evil xp.
[08:10] <dale_gribble> i know, i have 3 other boxes running debian :D  this one is for games and unfortunately i'm not sure how well my games will run on linux yet
[08:11] <dale_gribble> i can pull up a shell during install, but nothing is setup yet
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Highly critical
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> :O
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> lol
[08:11] <dale_gribble> haha surprise surprise ;D
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> The Secunia database currently contains 0 Secunia advisories marked as "Unpatched", which affects Ubuntu Linux 4.10.
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> Currently, 0 out of 25 Secunia advisories, is marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.
[08:12] <dale_gribble> did you read the ms vs linux interview on slashdot
[08:12] <photoguy41> so how do i close a seperate desktop
[08:12] <dale_gribble> w/ the ms exec
[08:12] <OrangeSlice> ubuntu wins!
[08:12] <kreiger> mm
[08:12] <photoguy41> like i dont want alt+ctrl+F8 working anymore
[08:12] <dale_gribble> he claimed running broken code on ie made it better than firefox
[08:12] <OrangeSlice> heh, I saw that
[08:12] <kreiger> how do you delete something and it's dependencies?
[08:13] <crimsun> kreiger: sudo aptitude purge something
[08:13] <crimsun> kreiger: or purge the dependency
[08:13] <kreiger> cause the apt-get version of xfce was 2.8
[08:13] <kreiger> i mean 3.8
[08:13] <jovian> how do i add a screen resolution to the ones that were auto detected ? I have edited the XF86Config file but the option didn't appear in the menu
[08:13] <kreiger> the latest version is 4.2
[08:13] <ells> has anyone heard about this supposed Firefox killer.....IE7. What a joke
[08:13] <jovian> i can't seem to find a faq or how to for it either
[08:14] <crimsun> kreiger: 3.8? warty includes 4.0.5
[08:14] <ata> jovian: dpkg-reconfigure xsercer-xfree86
[08:14] <kreiger> ....
[08:14] <ata> xserver, not xsercer
[08:14] <dale_gribble> yeah they were originally putting ie7 off til longhorn
[08:14] <jovian> hehe thanks ata
[08:14] <kreiger> then why did i have to apt-get at all?
[08:14] <ells> yeah dale, I just read it on cnet.com
[08:14] <crimsun> kreiger: I don't know - why did you want to?
[08:15] <ells> there 400 or so posts, all disputing the author
[08:15] <kreiger> i didn't know i didn't have to.
[08:15] <crimsun> kreiger: it's highly recommended that you _do_ apt-get it
[08:15] <crimsun> kreiger: or use a package manager to install the version in 'universe'
[08:15] <crimsun> [4.0.5] 
[08:15] <kreiger> hm
[08:15] <kreiger> lemme show you something
[08:15] <kreiger> what's that cut and paste website?
[08:16] <kreiger> to cut down on spam
[08:16] <crimsun> http://pastebin.ca
[08:17] <kreiger> http://pastebin.ca/6160
[08:17] <crimsun> kreiger: that's a metapackage
[08:18] <kreiger> which means was?
[08:18] <crimsun> which means you wanted 'xfce4' instead
[08:18] <kreiger> Oh.
[08:18] <photoguy41> how do i kill one of my alt+ctrl+F*'s?
[08:18] <kreiger> so i should sudo aptitude purge xfce ?
[08:19] <crimsun> photoguy41: sorry, don't know what you mean.
[08:19] <crimsun> kreiger: not necessary, just install 'xfce4'
[08:19] <dale_gribble> sweet found a workaround for my issue...not used to newer mobos, messed w/ the bios to have the new drive setup as the first so i just booted straight into it
[08:19] <dale_gribble> have a good one guys
[08:19] <crimsun> 'bye
[08:19] <photoguy41> i have 2 desktops open, one on F7 and one on F8
[08:20] <crimsun> photoguy41: use ctrl+alt+F# to switch between them, then simply log out of the one you want to quit
[08:20] <jovian> ata, didn't work it didn't let me add new screen resolutions
[08:20] <ata> photoguy41: take a look at /etc/inittab
[08:20] <kreiger> ok, i apt-got the right stuff
[08:20] <kreiger> now how do i install this bad boy?
[08:22] <ata> jovian: well, you could edit the XF86Config-4 and add it manually
[08:22] <jovian> I did do that still didn't show up in the options
[08:23] <crimsun> kreiger: eh? No need to "install it" if you've installed 'xfce4'.
[08:23] <kreiger> yeah, sorry, i'm doing 8 things at once
[08:23] <jovian> i edited the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file
[08:23] <kreiger> how do i set it for default load?
[08:23] <crimsun> kreiger: just log in choosing the "XFce session" in the graphical log in (under Session)
[08:23] <kreiger> ahh
[08:23] <kreiger> danke
[08:23] <kreiger> brb guys
[08:23] <crimsun> bitte
[08:25] <speel> errr dont you just add exec /usr/bin/xfce in .xinitrc??
[08:25] <speel> 0.0
[08:25] <kreiger> Mm
[08:25] <kreiger> i like this
[08:25] <kreiger> i like this alot, actually
[08:26] <crimsun> speel: ~/.xsession is preferred.
[08:26] <Children_of_War>  (Sure siniri bitti ve kilitlendi)
[08:26] <speel> ah ok ;P
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[08:27] <speel> ...
[08:27] <speel> spammers need to go back to there holes
[08:28] <crimsun> lovely.
[08:29] <rubixXx> night all
[08:30] <crimsun> 'ni
[08:36] <jovian> so can anyone tell me how to get gimp to see screen resolutions not detected automatically
[08:36] <jovian> I have already edited the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file
[08:39] <kreiger> right about now, i wish my windows boot worked so i could play cs:s
[08:42] <Cosco> hello , i have a question .. i need a file ..libapache-mod-php4 , and i cand find it with synaptic .. it finds only lipapache2-mod-php4
[08:43] <Cosco> what must i do?
[08:48] <ata> anyone using hoary here? is it stable enough to use yet?
[08:48] <Phusion> yes
[08:48] <Phusion> I'm using it now
[08:48] <Lorchaos> Cosco:  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ have pretty much every packages
[08:48] <ata> phusion: is it comperable to sid or to sarge?
[08:49] <Phusion> you know, to tell yah the truth this is my first ubuntu install
[08:49] <ata> ah
[08:49] <Phusion> its going quite well.
[08:49] <Cosco> ok ,. let me se
[08:49] <Cosco> ee
[08:51] <Cosco> Lorchaos, it doesnt have what im searching for
[08:51] <Cosco> and without that php on ubuntu it doesnt work
[08:52] <Lorchaos> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/web/libapache-mod-php4
[08:52] <Lorchaos> hoary version
[08:53] <Cosco> what are amd64,i386(i have 686 i think),ia64,powep ?
[08:53] <Cosco> powerpc*
[08:54] <Lorchaos> whats your processor?
[08:54] <Cosco> 3000+ athlon barton
[08:55] <kreiger> 386 is what you want
[08:55] <Lorchaos> yep
[08:55] <Cosco> ok
[08:55] <kreiger> then you can download a specialized kernel for amd xp's
[08:55] <kreiger> the x7, right lorchaos?
[08:55] <Cosco> how i install it if its .deb ?
[08:55] <crimsun> (-k7)
[08:56] <Cosco> apt-install file?
[08:56] <kreiger> m
[08:56] <kreiger> thanks crimsun
[08:56] <Lorchaos> i386 works fine
[08:56] <kreiger> um.
[08:56] <Cosco> so?
[08:56] <Lorchaos> download the package
[08:56] <Cosco> ready
[08:56] <Cosco> how do i install it?
[08:57] <Lorchaos> sudo dpkg -i package_name
[08:57] <Cosco> ok
[08:57] <Cosco> thanks
[08:57] <MyNameIsChris> Hello, does anyone know how long it takes for CDs ordered from shipit to reach Australia?
[08:58] <Cosco> wtf , sudo doesnt work
[08:58] <Lorchaos> huh?
[08:58] <Lorchaos> do you have a root user?
[08:58] <MyNameIsChris> Is your sudoers file setup?
[08:58] <MyNameIsChris> I really shouldn't give advice on a distro I haven't touched
[08:58] <tweek> hello
[08:58] <kreiger> lol
[08:58] <kreiger> MyNameIsChris, i think ive seen you in another distro room
[08:59] <kreiger> maybe #mandrake?
[08:59] <MyNameIsChris> No
[08:59] <MyNameIsChris> fedora
[08:59] <tweek> can someone help me with a printer error?
[08:59] <kreiger> yeah
[09:00] <MyNameIsChris> No one's ever ordered CDs to Australia?
[09:00] <tweek> i have a lexmark x515 and theres a driver for x51 so i assumed that was it, but it doesnt =\
[09:01] <OrangeSlice> ahh lexmark
[09:01] <tweek> -x +z
[09:01] <OrangeSlice> I never did get my z23 to work on linux :p
[09:01] <tweek> :(
[09:01] <tweek> its very important i get it working or i have to go back to windows :(
[09:02] <MyNameIsChris> Get a datasheet from Lexmark, make your own drivers
[09:02] <tweek> =\
[09:02] <kreiger> hm
[09:02] <OrangeSlice> you didn't calculate in the laziness factor
[09:02] <kreiger> Anybody here proficient in dual-booting windows and linux?
[09:03] <kreiger> specifically, windows and ubuntu
[09:03] <tweek> orangeslices, i have no idea how to make my own driver :(
[09:03] <OrangeSlice> I never dual booted :D  deleted windows, installed ubuntu, never looked back.
[09:03] <kreiger> Well, i want my cs:s
[09:03] <tweek> wine
[09:03] <tweek> :P
[09:03] <crimsun> there's always wine{x}
[09:03] <kreiger> does it WORK?
[09:03] <MyNameIsChris> I dual boot Windows and FC. Come to think of it, it has been a while since I used Windows
[09:03] <tweek> kreiger
[09:03] <OrangeSlice> windows is obsolete
[09:03] <tweek> do you have an amd or intel?
[09:03] <kreiger> amd
[09:04] <kreiger> xp
[09:04] <tweek> 64?
[09:04] <crimsun> steam works through cedega, but I can't offer any suggestions. Check #cedega.
[09:04] <kreiger> no
[09:04] <tweek> o ok
[09:04] <kreiger> i wish
[09:04] <tweek> no you dont
[09:04] <kreiger> 2400+
[09:04] <tweek> i do and wine doesnt work
[09:05] <abelli> hello there, does someone know how i can play .mpc?
[09:05] <OrangeSlice> with the musepack decoder?
[09:05] <OrangeSlice> or the xmms plugin, or foobar2000
[09:05] <OrangeSlice> or quod libet
[09:05] <OrangeSlice> whom I convinced to support mpc :p
[09:06] <abelli> xmms plugin?
[09:06] <OrangeSlice> xmms-musepack
[09:06] <crimsun> there's an xmms plugin
[09:06] <kreiger> anybody know what distro and or wM this is?
[09:06] <crimsun> I don't remember offhand if the gst plugin is finished
[09:06] <kreiger> http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/screenshots/single.mhtml?screenshot_id=579
[09:06] <OrangeSlice> gstreamer-plugins 0.8 supports it
[09:06] <red-nix> what is a good gui ftp client for ubuntu?
[09:06] <OrangeSlice> gftp
[09:07] <abelli> point to play ? what is it?
[09:07] <crimsun> personally, mppdec -> aplay works for me
[09:07] <OrangeSlice> foobar2000 :D
[09:07] <crimsun> yeah, well, you know what they say about fb2k and Linux.
[09:07] <crimsun> X Window System, for that matter
[09:08] <OrangeSlice> works fine under cedega
[09:08] <OrangeSlice> well, the encoding features don't
[09:08] <ruina> Hi.. I have an issue with locales ... the apt-get doesnt working
[09:08] <abelli> OrangeSlice: i have not xmms-musepack
[09:08] <abelli> OrangeSlice: am i broken?
[09:08] <OrangeSlice> yes
[09:08] <OrangeSlice> www.musepack.net
[09:08] <crimsun> no, it's not broken.
[09:08] <crimsun> please don't tell him his install is broken.
[09:09] <abelli> crimsun: why?
[09:09] <OrangeSlice> lack of musepack = broken :)
[09:09] <ruina> I need help
[09:09] <billytwowilly> I upgraded hoary a couple days ago and now my laptop hard drive spins down too much causing momentary hangs. how do I fix this?
[09:10] <crimsun> abelli: because it's not provided in any ubuntu-referenced repository, and the implication that something is "broken" is that it doesn't work as intended by default, (e.g. the configuration is broken)
[09:10] <OrangeSlice> abelli:  add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:10] <abelli> absolutely, i just said "am i broken"..
[09:10] <OrangeSlice> deb http://rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable/ ./
[09:10] <OrangeSlice> deb http://rarewares.org/debian/packages/stable/ ./
[09:10] <ruina> I have a problem with locales ... the apt-get doesnt working
[09:10] <OrangeSlice> run update, and install xmms-musepack
[09:10] <abelli> meaning is my self in person broken?
[09:10] <red-nix> ok thanks didn't see the comment on gftp
[09:10] <crimsun> (be very careful with rarewares)
[09:11] <snowblink> kreiger: looks like kde
[09:11] <OrangeSlice> or compile the plugin's source from musepack.net
[09:11] <OrangeSlice> never had any problems with rarewares ;)
[09:11] <OrangeSlice> best audio-related repository out there
[09:11] <abelli> OrangeSlice: ogg vs mpc: differences?
[09:11] <ompaul> ruina, to fix apt-get
[09:11] <OrangeSlice> mpc is almost lossless in quality
[09:12] <ompaul> ruina, you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:12] <crimsun> except when they decided to make flac and ogg/vorbis packages that broke things in the sarge/sid/<Debian-based distro> transitions.
[09:12] <abelli> OrangeSlice: why aint it included in ubuntu?
[09:12] <OrangeSlice> ubuntu doesn't have much in the way of audio
[09:12] <crimsun> abelli: (no one has asked for it to be included?)
[09:13] <abelli> crimsun: operating systems
[09:13] <crimsun> abelli: against which ogg are you comparing musepack, ogg vorbis? ogg flac?
[09:13] <abelli> in this era, are mainly meant as multimedia
[09:13] <abelli> operating systems
[09:13] <abelli> ..so... get your conclusions
[09:13] <OrangeSlice> oggflac is just flac wrapped in an ogg container
[09:13] <crimsun> abelli: please ask for it to be included, and I'll take a look at it.
[09:14] <crimsun> hoary+1 is a great target
[09:14] <abelli> is it packaged for debian?
[09:14] <crimsun> OrangeSlice: yes, the assumption is that vorbis is the target
[09:14] <ompaul> crimsun, hoary+1 is that array 5?
[09:14] <crimsun> ompaul: no, "hoary+1" is the release following hoary
[09:15] <crimsun> ompaul: "array 5" is the 5th milestone toward "hoary"
[09:15] <abelli> so why not making ogg mpc?9
[09:15] <ompaul> so 4 back?
[09:15] <ruina> ompaul, hummm... let me see
[09:15] <photoguy41> how do you run nmap GUI
[09:15] <crimsun> photoguy41: nmapfe
[09:16] <snowblink> I thought hoary+1 had an animal assigned already
[09:16] <crimsun> ompaul: "hoary" == "warty+1"
[09:16] <ompaul> crimsun, got it
[09:16] <ompaul> crimsun, thank you
[09:16] <crimsun> snowblink: no, tentatively - and the only thing that's certain is that it will always be valid to refer to it as "Hoary+1"
[09:16] <photoguy41> its not working
[09:16] <abelli> crimsun: is mpc in debian?
[09:17] <photoguy41> nm
[09:17] <crimsun> abelli: no.
[09:17] <abelli> crimsun: is there any kind of reason?
[09:17] <abelli> crimsun: is it needed?
[09:17] <ruina> ompaul,  en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[09:17] <ompaul> ruina, so have you fixed apt-get ?
[09:18] <crimsun> abelli: I'm not aware of a reason why it's not in Debian proper, but as part of MOTU, we can work to get it into universe.
[09:18] <ruina> ompaul, yeap
[09:18] <crimsun> ruina: en is invalid
[09:19] <abelli> crimsun: what if i try to package it for debian?
[09:19] <crimsun> abelli: it's already packaged, but it has not been accepted into Debian proper.
[09:19] <abelli> mmm.. yeah...
[09:19] <abelli> ok
[09:19] <photoguy41> is quanta free?
[09:19] <ompaul> ruina, why not click on the keyboard options in system and choose the one you want "en" has several options :)
[09:19] <rainfire5> anyone here using blackbox?
[09:20] <ruina> crimsun, how to configure locales?
[09:20] <abelli> ..as long as it is in rare*... it must be.. i meant if it needed a mantainer..
[09:20] <crimsun> abelli: check ITP and WNP
[09:20] <crimsun> ruina: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:21] <ruina> crimsun, locales is broken or not fully installed
[09:21] <crimsun> ruina: use the space bar to select the correct "en_foo ISO-8859-1", then press TAB and then ENTER
[09:22] <ompaul> ruina, apt-get install locales
[09:22] <crimsun> ruina: pass --reinstall to apt-get install locales
[09:25] <ompaul> hmm there are lots, but I think I should have asked about linux as well :)
[09:28] <ruina> ompaul and crimsun, I found the problem in /etc/locales.gen ... the row en.ISO-8859-1
[09:29] <crimsun> ruina: yes. Unfortunately, manually editing isn't the recommended method of resolving that issue.
[09:30] <rainfire5> can anyone comment on their experiences with blackbox vs. fluxbox?
[09:30] <crimsun> rainfire5: they're both considerably slimmer than certain desktop environments, but it all comes down to preference.
[09:31] <rainfire5> crimsun: do you use either?
[09:31] <crimsun> rainfire5: in the past, I've used many of the blackbox derivatives.
[09:32] <rainfire5> crimsun: and currently you use? if i may ask?
[09:33] <crimsun> rainfire5: I use a variety of window managers and desktop environments.
[09:33] <rainfire5> crimsun: no favorite lightweight one?
[09:34] <crimsun> rainfire5: not really. Depends on the workload, I suppose.
[09:34] <rainfire5> crimsun ok thanks (= tga it is a laptop
[09:35] <tga> I like ion because it's more keyboard oriented than most wms
[09:36] <ruina> ompaul crimsun thanks a lot! I am sleeping now!
[09:36] <crimsun> 'ni
[09:36] <ompaul> ruina enjoy
[09:36] <rainfire5> tga thanks for the tip; i'll go try it... also, to add various wms to my session chooser I just add lines to ~/.session right?  for some reason blackbox always calls itself "default desktop manager" whereas others actually appear in the list
[09:37] <crimsun> rainfire5: ~/.xsession
[09:37] <tga> rainfire5: ion should just show up in your gdm session list
[09:37] <tga> .xsession is the 'default wm'
[09:37] <Echylo> heey, question, I use the commandline recordeing tool Burn, but it seems that it doesn't knows what my cd-writer is, anyone a idea?
[09:37] <crimsun> and yes, choose the window manager/desktop environment in the Session choice
[09:37] <tga> afaik enlightenment is the only one that doesn't show up in gdm's list
[09:38] <ompaul> tga do you really want to run enlightment ? ;-)
[09:38] <tga> heh, I give it a try every now and then
[09:38] <tga> it usually lasts a few minutes
[09:38] <ompaul> tga,  as I said
[09:40] <rainfire5> ok night all thanks for the help (= #ubuntu makes my life simpler
[09:40] <Echylo> :D
[09:41] <FAST> are there free audio programs that i can play with to make sound effects, and record sound clips of the effects, and stuff like that?
[09:41] <Echylo> anyone knows what yahtzee means in gnome tali
[09:41] <Echylo> and what is full house
[09:41] <HG> Hi
[09:41] <Echylo> it's the game with the dices
[09:41] <Echylo> :p
[09:42] <ompaul> my dsl provider must have finally figured out that you need to provide a meter for people to stay within the limits that the call a cap
[09:42] <HG> I am having a freaking problem each time a start gnome the panel starts loading and my computer freezes
[09:42] <HG> ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work
[09:42] <HG> i reboot 6 times
[09:43] <Echylo> hmm
[09:43] <Echylo> I don't think the amount of reboots will solve the problem
[09:43] <Echylo> euhm
[09:43] <HG> daniels: thx for unbanning me :) but you never /msg me like you said
[09:44] <HG> Echylo: lol
[09:44] <crimsun> HG: warty? hoary?
[09:44] <HG> i deleted ~/.gnome*
[09:44] <HG> crimsun: hoary
[09:44] <Echylo> you updated?
[09:44] <ompaul> Echylo, the yahtzee is if you get all the dice the same so 5 1's or 2's etc
[09:44] <crimsun> HG: when was the last time you synced against pool?
[09:44] <HG> last night
[09:44] <Echylo> ompaul, and fullhouse?
[09:44] <Echylo> :p
[09:44] <Echylo> thanks btw
[09:45] <HG> i am using kernel 2.6.11
[09:45] <ompaul> Echylo, 2 of one type and 3 of another
[09:45] <Echylo> ok thanks :)
[09:45] <Aegir> Finally, 171 of 177 packages downloaded...
[09:45] <Aegir> Darn update system =D
[09:46] <HG> Aegir: and the last 6 are big or small?
[09:46] <rk> anyone know how can I add entries to the applications menu in gnome 2.9.x?
[09:46] <crimsun> HG: linux-image-$(uname -r)  => ?
[09:46] <Aegir> HG: No idea
[09:46] <HG> crimsun: i am a irssi noob
[09:46] <Aegir> Im on ADSL so Im not worrying
[09:46] <crimsun> HG: uname -r
[09:46] <HG> ok
[09:46] <HG> 2.6.11-1-686
[09:47] <crimsun> HG: 2.6.11 has not been updated with the inotify revert
[09:47] <HG> but i had the same problem last when i booted but after i reboot again it worked
[09:48] <HG> crimsun: back to 2.6.10?
[09:49] <crimsun> HG: please use linux-image-686
[09:49] <oz_> rk: on the ubuntuguide.org site it says by running "nautilus applications:///System" etc. but i've had no luck (using hoary)
[09:49] <crimsun> HG: (2.6.10-4, or 2.6.10-3-686)
[09:49] <HG> crimsun: 2.6.11 is very importaint it should be come the default in hoary ASAP as it includes some importaint drivers
[09:49] <rk> oz_: yeah, tried that already, it doesn't work anymore
[09:50] <HG> crimsun: my friend got a new computer yesterday and needs kernel 2.6.11 for his hardware
[09:50] <HG> crimsun: rebooting
[09:50] <oz_> rk: I've hunted on and off for an hour or so with no luck... let me know if you work it out :)
[09:50] <rk> oz_: willd o
[09:50] <arc_> the default icons of gnome had been broken on my last upgrade (warty)
[09:50] <rk> err will do
[09:50] <arc_> oops
[09:51] <arc_> nope, hoary
[09:51] <oz_> rk: I think it is supposed to be an xml file in you home dir...
[09:52] <rk> oz_: ick, isn't GNOME supposed to be easy :)
[09:52] <krism> what
[09:52] <sys2> rk, it is?
[09:52] <krism> what's all this talk about 2.6.11?
[09:53] <sys2> atleast its not a chaos like kde
[09:53] <sys2> kreiger, what talk ?
[09:53] <oz_> rk: i've just changed from a fedora install using kde so i'm not the best person - though it takes a little getting used to.
[09:53] <krism> oh, hg was talking about it sys2
[09:53] <biomic> hey all - using an ibook atm and wanting to partition (dw about data) to install ubuntu .. what programs should i use to do this :s ?
[09:53] <krism> incidentally, why does -hoary have 2.6.11? latest on kernel.org is 2.6.10
[09:54] <kreiger> what?
[09:54] <rk> sys2: but something simple as adding an entry to the desktop, and I can't find an answer
[09:54] <sys2> rk, right click ... make a selection in the menu ... do it! :P
[09:55] <rk> sys2: yeah, thanks, doesn't work :P
[09:55] <sys2> humm
[09:55] <rk> using 2.9.x here
[09:55] <krism> rk: 2.9 is beta
[09:55] <krism> rk: stuff might be / probably is broken :/
[09:56] <oz_> krism: yeah - I found out - I'm bleeding 8(
[09:57] <rk> krism: doubt it, this is probably hidden somewhere
[09:57] <ompaul> yesterday I was adding a member to the ubuntu linux user family - today I bring them the gift of serial modem world
[09:58] <ompaul> sys2, use it for whatever amd chip you have :)
[10:00] <Panzerboy> morning
[10:01] <oz_> is there a "service manager" hidden away somewhere to start stop eg mysql?
[10:04] <HostingGeek> crimsun: i am back in gnome :D
[10:05] <ogami1972> am back from work- hi all
[10:07] <ogami1972> harumph
[10:07] <ogami1972> :-X
[10:08] <ompaul> oz_ I do not know but something in the back of my mind says mysqladmin stop
[10:08] <ompaul> oz_ YMMV
[10:09] <ompaul> oz_ sorry I made a mistake with your question
[10:09] <kreiger> Anybdoy here use cedega?
[10:10] <markuman> kreiger, no, but whats your problem?
[10:11] <oz_> ompaul: no problem - I've got to install it yet anyways..
[10:12] <Bigglez> Hi - I am having trouble playing a DVD on mplayer, xine or ogle any help?
[10:12] <kreiger> nothing really, just wondering
[10:12] <kreiger> i'm installing cs:s on it and praying to GOD it works
[10:12] <markuman> cs:s ?
[10:13] <markuman> i know only cedegaCVS
[10:13] <snowblink> Bigglez: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[10:13] <Bigglez> snowblink: I read all that - did all that
[10:13] <kreiger> counterstrike:source
[10:13] <Bigglez> On Xine it plays sound fine, but the picture is garbled.
[10:14] <oz_> on hoary I get an error each time i run sysnaptic: 'debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome' though it does install things ok - anyone know what it's about?
[10:14] <Bigglez> On Mplayer - it's all blank - you can forward the image but it won't play
[10:14] <Bigglez> On Ogle - it's even worse than xine - totally garbled video
[10:14] <snowblink> Bigglez: have you enabled dma?
[10:15] <snowblink> Bigglez: you get choppy or no picture?
[10:15] <Bigglez> DMA on my player? I think it's on. Same  player and disk worked 100% in Fedora 1
[10:15] <Bigglez> Snowblink: On Xine I get 50% picture - like it's all fuzzy and chooped with rectangles
[10:16] <Bigglez> Snowblink: On mplayer it just won't play - I can forward, but it won't play.
[10:17] <sys2> and hot the **** did you make dhcp not work if i may ask ?
[10:17] <sys2> works fine in all other distros
[10:17] <sys2> but unbunto i dont get an answer in
[10:18] <sys2> -o+u
[10:18] <tga> same problem here
[10:18] <tga> dhclient won't grab an address
[10:18] <oz_> ompaul: mysqd is the daemon to start/stop mysql - though I was more after a general 'services' applet.
[10:19] <snowblink> Bigglez: xine-check, hdparm, video drivers - those are the things I'd check
[10:19] <tga> sys2:  I wish you good luck if you're gonna switch distros every time you find a broken package
[10:19] <sys2> tga, im looking for a distro i can compile packages for my current distro that is not 64bit in ...
[10:20] <sys2> that does not eat 99% of my resources and harddrive space on that :P
[10:20] <Bigglez> snowblink: what about my video drivers? I have tried xv and xvshm and GL - they all do the same: nothing!
[10:20] <tga> sys2: debian/ubuntu seems a good choice
[10:20] <Bigglez> snowblink: I am running nvidia driver fine. all other apps work fine.
[10:21] <snowblink> Bigglez: is it okay when you look at mpegs or avis?
[10:21] <Bigglez> snowblink: yes
[10:22] <ompaul> oz_, not that I know of
[10:22] <Bigglez> snowblink: Could it be something in my XFree86 config file?
[10:22] <snowblink> Bigglez: hdparm /dev/<yourdvddrive>
[10:23] <sys2> and how does one install a package in this distro then ?
[10:24] <Bigglez>  HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument
[10:24] <Bigglez>  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
[10:24] <Bigglez>  unmaskirq    =  1 (on)
[10:24] <Bigglez>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[10:24] <Bigglez>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[10:24] <Bigglez>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[10:24] <Bigglez>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[10:24] <Bigglez>  HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
[10:24] <oz_> ompaul: you may have been right about mysqladmin - mysqld left things in a but of a mess...
[10:24] <Bigglez> (sorry don't know if that was rude!)
[10:24] <snowblink> Bigglez: yes - you should use pastebin
[10:24] <Bigglez> sorry - ouch.
[10:25] <snowblink> Bigglez: that looks okay
[10:26] <Bigglez> I'm using x-chat - can't find a "pastebin" anywhere.
[10:26] <Bigglez> snowblink: This drive worked under Fedora Core - so I thought it would be fine
[10:26] <snowblink> Bigglez: are you running warty or hoary?
[10:27] <Bigglez> snow: the first one - warty I think
[10:27] <snowblink> Bigglez: www.pastebin.com
[10:27] <Bigglez> snowblink: I have installed KDE and am using that. Could that have stuffed something?
[10:27] <snowblink> Bigglez: Ah. Have you tried under GNOME?
[10:28] <Bigglez> Actually yes
[10:28] <Bigglez> I opened a second X server on ctrl-alt-f8 and tried there
[10:28] <Bigglez> no go
[10:28] <snowblink> Bigglez: What's the load on your system when you try to watch DVDs?
[10:29] <Bigglez> brb
[10:29] <Bigglez> snowblink:+1 20%
[10:29] <Bigglez> about 20%
[10:30] <Bigglez> xine = 20 to 30%
[10:30] <Bigglez> snowblink: so the load is not bad.
[10:32] <snowblink> Bigglez: I would guess at your driver, but I use ATI I'm afraid
[10:33] <Bigglez> snowblink: hmmm. I had same card (maybe same driver?) on Fedora - all worked fine!
[10:33] <Bigglez> snowblnik: Thanks for trying to help me! I will try mplayer forum.
[10:34] <snowblink> Bigglez: try again here later - it's early yet
[10:34] <Bigglez> cool
[10:35] <HostingGeek> daniels: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ServerTeam/view?searchterm=server
[10:35] <paolo> Hi guys! I had openoffice printing with cups, but since when I run oopadmin I can't print any more with openoffice. In oopadmin I can't change the printer settings. Is this a known issue? Any hint?
[10:36] <HostingGeek> daniels: i am Gmail though you knew lilo made me swap my nick
[10:36] <HostingGeek> sorry
[10:38] <Panzerboy> any hoary users around?
[10:39] <tga> Panzerboy: a few :)
[10:39] <Panzerboy> tga: :)
[10:45] <red-nix> anyone here ever use tor?
[10:45] <Echylo> rent?
[10:45] <ompaul> Panzerboy, well to judge by bittorrent the answer is yes
[10:45] <bob2> the anonymiser?
[10:46] <red-nix> yeah
[10:46] <bob2> less people than used to, since it got k-lined
[10:46] <Panzerboy> ompaul: :)
[10:46] <Panzerboy> i have some issues with ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:46] <Echylo> it reboots your x-server ?
[10:46] <Echylo> or is that the issue?
[10:47] <Panzerboy> no man, that is the issue, that it doesn't :P
[10:47] <red-nix> well i was just wondering how you set it up i installed it but it keeps saying uid (112) doesn't own /var/lib/tor
[10:47] <Echylo> :D
[10:47] <Panzerboy> it just drops me in a terminal
[10:47] <ompaul> woops have to start another box biab
[10:47] <Echylo> and it doesn't reboot?
[10:47] <Echylo> hmm
[10:47] <red-nix> i chowned it to my username but that didn't help
[10:47] <Echylo> warthy? hoary?
[10:48] <red-nix> who you talking to me?
[10:48] <Panzerboy> Echylo: hoary
[10:48] <Panzerboy> red-nix: nope, with me, i guess :)
[10:48] <Echylo> oow
[10:48] <Echylo> that explains alot
[10:48] <Echylo> :p
[10:48] <Panzerboy> yeah
[10:48] <Echylo> but I won't know any solution
[10:51] <spiral> hi
[10:51] <patrick_> goodmorning to you all
[10:54] <oz_> Echylo: must be a boog - I've the same problem on hoary - you can 'startx' to get back..
[10:54] <jono> fabbione, ping
[10:55] <oz_> anyone know where the hoary w32codecs live apt?
[10:56] <bob2> same as the warty ones
[10:56] <bob2> marillat's archive
[10:58] <oz_> bob2: that would be:  'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main'  ?
[10:58] <bob2> meh
[10:58] <bob2> probably
[10:58] <bob2> but other stuff will get confused then
[10:58] <monoxide> i have 2 questions.
[10:59] <monoxide> i just finished downloading the updates to hoary today and some of my programs have decided to kill themselves.
[10:59] <monoxide> i have found 2 so far that wont start at all
[10:59] <bob2> file bugs if no one else has
[11:00] <monoxide> what should i put in it? the only thing it displays is that there was segmentation fault for both of them
[11:00] <monoxide> i think its something to do with OSS
[11:00] <bob2> I doubt that
[11:01] <monoxide> well i may be wrong
[11:02] <FAST> does anyone know anything about the JACK audio server?
[11:02] <FAST> specifically how to get it running
[11:02] <monoxide> where/how do i dubmit a bug?
[11:03] <nanomad> register in bugzilla under ubuntulinux.org
[11:04] <nanomad> monoxide: wich bugs have u discovered?
[11:04] <monoxide> i cant seem to get XMMS or wine to start up at all under hoary
[11:05] <xoxoxo> hello. anybody please point me to a documetation that shows how to recompile kernel on ubuntu?
[11:05] <monoxide> possibly other apps that i havnt found
[11:05] <hygl> monoxide: habe you straced the apps to find out why?
[11:05] <monoxide> probably just a misconfiguration somewhere, but buggered if i have any idea where to look
[11:05] <bob2> xoxoxo: why do you want to recompile it?
[11:05] <nanomad> well. they both work for me
[11:05] <Panzerboy> xoxoxo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[11:06] <monoxide> pardon hygl?
[11:06] <Panzerboy> monoxide: strace xmms
[11:06] <nanomad> monoxide: have u configured right xmms?
[11:06] <monoxide> yes, i know that they should work.
[11:06] <Panzerboy> it should show you a trace
[11:06] <hygl> monoxide: have you used strace to find out, why xmms crashes
[11:06] <Panzerboy> how do i get rid of the Exchange button in evo?"
[11:06] <monoxide> xmms was working beautifully under warty
[11:07] <thux> Hi I have hoary array-5 amd64 with nvidia-glx-dev, problem is that I don't see picture when I use totem-xine or vlc and try wartch mpg?
[11:07] <xoxoxo> Panzerboy: thank you a lot
[11:07] <thux> watch mpg :)
[11:07] <monoxide> wow.... that just output a HEAP of stuff...
[11:07] <nanomad> thux: what??
[11:08] <thux> dont' see picture with vlc or totem-xine
[11:08] <monoxide> should i post the last few lines here or what?
[11:09] <monoxide> hmmm... i think its something with how i have xorg configured...
[11:11] <bob2> I don't think it's possible for X to be configured such that it crashes programs.
[11:11] <bob2> unless they're terribly buggy to begin with.
[11:11] <Panzerboy> any idea if the default kernel in hoary has support for LDM ?
[11:11] <Panzerboy> that is support for windows dynamic disks
[11:11] <monoxide> what if it wasnt loading a module that the program needed?
[11:12] <bob2> then the program should say "EXTENSION BLAH NOT FOUND OMG EXITING"
[11:12] <monoxide> like GLCore?
[11:12] <bob2> indeedy
[11:12] <monoxide> which is being loaded...
[11:13] <monoxide> well, what do i do with this strace? from what i can see there are a few librarys that it is looking for and not finding
[11:14] <monoxide> or maybe it is...
[11:15] <Nem[Laptop] > whats array 4?
[11:15] <bob2> Nem[Laptop] : 4th hoary test cd
[11:15] <Nem[Laptop] > bob2: how many tests are there
[11:15] <bob2> ompaul: apt-get isn't meant as an end-user tool
[11:16] <bob2> Nem[Laptop] : one a fortnight, iirc up until preview
[11:16] <monoxide> 5 so far?
[11:16] <monoxide> bob2: i use it. but maybe im just stupid
[11:16] <bob2> 5 is the latest, yes.
[11:16] <bob2> monoxide: ok
[11:16] <ompaul> bob2, never thought of it like that
[11:16] <Nem[Laptop] > bob2: "rc" just didnt cut it? ;)
[11:16] <ompaul> bob2, as in always thought of it as one
[11:17] <bob2> Nem[Laptop] : array is more fun!
[11:18] <monoxide> ok... mplayer cant play the sound stream either...
[11:18] <monoxide> i think there is something screwy with my sound server config or something
[11:19] <monoxide> any ideas anyone?
[11:20] <Nem[Laptop] > does xmms work? lol
[11:20] <monoxide> no
[11:20] <monoxide> thats the original problem
[11:20] <Nem[Laptop] > mpg123?
[11:20] <monoxide> neither XMMS or wine will run at all
[11:20] <Nem[Laptop] > simple test.... `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp`  [CTRL+C to stop] 
[11:21] <Nem[Laptop] > you should hear static
[11:21] <monoxide> nothing...
[11:21] <Nem[Laptop] > not even an error?
[11:21] <monoxide> nope
[11:22] <Nem[Laptop] > are your speakers plugged in? :P
[11:22] <monoxide> blank console, no sound
[11:22] <maximaus> hi all
[11:22] <monoxide> yes they are cos i get sounds from ubuntu
[11:22] <Nem[Laptop] > what are you trying to get it to work under
[11:22] <bob2> that won't work if esd is running
[11:22] <monoxide> ie. gnome etc
[11:22] <Nem[Laptop] > bob2: oh.
[11:23] <Amaranth> UbuntuBot is still here, cool.
[11:23] <Amaranth> I guess that means my PING code works
[11:23] <Nem[Laptop] > monoxide: what's xmms configured to use as its output device?
[11:23] <monoxide> fairly sure it was OSS
[11:23] <Nem[Laptop] > in Preferences there's a section in which you pick the output module/library to use
[11:24] <Nem[Laptop] > have you tried picking esd?
[11:24] <maximaus> a kind soul helped me get my ISA soundcard working yesterday with a couple simple commands--but upon reboot it failed again--of course I had logging turned off on IRC so can't recall the commands to probe the ISA port...anybody fresher than me? :P
[11:24] <monoxide> i cant start XMMS
[11:24] <Amaranth> yeah, set it to use esd
[11:24] <Nem[Laptop] > you can't start xmms?  ..why?
[11:24] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ xmms
[11:24] <monoxide> Segmentation fault
[11:24] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $
[11:24] <Amaranth> :/
[11:24] <bob2> monoxide: sure your RAM is ok?
[11:24] <monoxide> last time i checked
[11:25] <bob2> how did you check?
[11:25] <monoxide> well everything was working :/
[11:25] <monoxide> figure of speach
[11:25] <Neil3> hey guys
[11:26] <Neil3> what do you think my chances of running ubuntu on a p200mmx with 128mb ram 3gb hd are?
[11:26] <bob2> good
[11:26] <bob2> but it will be annoyingly slow
[11:26] <Neil3> yeah
[11:26] <bob2> gnome, anyway
[11:26] <Neil3> i'm thinking nt4 workstation or that
[11:26] <Neil3> i know nt wont be as slow
[11:27] <monoxide> win98?
[11:27] <Neil3> thats whats there now
[11:27] <Neil3> 98se
[11:27] <Nem[Laptop] > Amaranth: from what I remember i had something to do with isapnp .... but I haven't toyed with ISA in yeeears.
[11:27] <Panzerboy> Neil3: what about you install ubuntu server
[11:27] <Panzerboy> Neil3: then xorg
[11:27] <Panzerboy> then something light, like xfce4
[11:27] <Amaranth> Nem[Laptop] : I gave up on ISA about 5 years ago.
[11:27] <Nem[Laptop] > sawfish! :)
[11:28] <Nem[Laptop] > Amaranth: oops, wrong person
[11:28] <maximaus> Neil, I'm running full blown Gnome on a 300mhz/192 and it's just fine
[11:28] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: from what I remember i had something to do with isapnp .... but I haven't toyed with ISA in yeeears.
[11:28] <bob2> hm, weird.  I find it annoyingly slow on a p3-450 with 320MB of ram.
[11:29] <Neil3> hm could do
[11:29] <Neil3> this has to host a shoutcast server basically
[11:29] <bob2> then you'll be fine
[11:29] <Neil3> and be able to have something like winamp playing on the machine
[11:29] <Neil3> so it streams to itself
[11:29] <Nem[Laptop] > Neil3: better off running without X completely
[11:30] <Neil3> its doing it in win98 no probs
[11:30] <Nem[Laptop] > Neil3: mpg123 for playing, icecast to serve
[11:30] <Neil3> but its windows 98.......
[11:30] <Neil3> ah
[11:30] <Amaranth> can mpg123 stream from icecast?
[11:30] <Amaranth> oh, someone already said it
[11:30] <Neil3> and the machine has to be dummy proof
[11:30] <Neil3> as its not just me using it
[11:30] <Panzerboy> lol
[11:30] <Panzerboy> Neil3: then stick to 98 :_
[11:30] <Panzerboy> :)
[11:30] <Neil3> hehe
[11:30] <Neil3> yeah
[11:31] <Neil3> i was afraid that might happen
[11:31] <Nem[Laptop] > Neil3: ive got Win2000 running on a Celeron 366 just fine, doesnt feel too slow
[11:31] <maximaus> sudo modprobe sb
[11:31] <maximaus> sudo dmesg
[11:31] <maximaus> sudo echo sb >> /etc/modules
[11:31] <Neil3> hm
[11:31] <Neil3> win2k..
[11:31] <Nem[Laptop] > Neil3: runs better than win98 because of better memory management
[11:31] <Neil3> but it takes up 1gb of space
[11:31] <Nem[Laptop] > Not if you don't install all the games and useless crap
[11:31] <Neil3> even still its huge
[11:31] <maximaus> that's what worked yesterday for the ISA card but now I don't have permissions as root even to access /etc/modules. :/
[11:32] <Neil3> would like nt4 cos its nice and small
[11:32] <Neil3> and i'm not worried about usb or anything
[11:32] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: use sudo to elevate your privileges
[11:32] <Nem[Laptop] > .. wait.. "even as root" ??
[11:32] <Neil3> my nt4 cd wont read properly though damnit
[11:32] <maximaus> yup, wierd
[11:32] <Nem[Laptop] > Neil3: NT4 gives me the utter craps ;)
[11:32] <Neil3> hehe
[11:32] <maximaus> crap, I knew the working ISA card was too good to last a reboot.
[11:32] <Nem[Laptop] > i feel like I want to hurt myself under NT4
[11:33] <Neil3> why's that?
[11:33] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: whats the exact error when you try to "access" /etc/modules
[11:33] <Nem[Laptop] > bah, irc needs tab completion
[11:33] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster :)
[11:34] <maximaus> even Playskool Gaim IRC has tab-completion... LOL
[11:34] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: so I can type /etc/mod[tab]  and it'll complete it? :P
[11:34] <TongMaster> heya Tsjoklat
[11:34] <maximaus> Well that's just a bit darn fancy... :P
[11:34] <Nem[Laptop] > or i'm just a bit darn lazy...
[11:35] <alexissoft> coucou
[11:35] <Amaranth> Nem[Laptop] : Script it up in Python. :)
[11:35] <Nem[Laptop] > Amaranth: i'd rather use NT4 (see above) :P
[11:35] <Neil3> hahahaha
[11:36] <Amaranth> Nem[Laptop] : X-Chat can be scripted with Python, Perl, and something else.
[11:36] <maximaus> so "modprobe sb" finds my ISA sound card right...
[11:36] <Tsjoklat> how is it TongMaster?
[11:36] <Nem[Laptop] > Amaranth: I'm running mirc ;)
[11:36] <maximaus> how do I get it to do this automatically upon boot?
[11:36] <Panzerboy> ISA sound cards are so yesterday :)
[11:36] <Tsjoklat> any news about your bikey TongMaster?
[11:36] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: modprobe loads a kernel module
[11:36] <ompaul> spike_ ?
[11:36] <Tsjoklat> oh wait... pushy
[11:36] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: `lsmod` lists the loaded modules
[11:36] <Panzerboy> maximaus: you have to add that sb thingy to some file
[11:36] <zenrox> ya /etc/modules
[11:36] <Amaranth> /etc/modules
[11:36] <Panzerboy> that is automagically read at boot
[11:37] <Panzerboy> yeah :)
[11:37] <maximaus> eek, that's seems too easy
[11:37] <maximaus> LOL
[11:37] <spike_> hi
[11:37] <Panzerboy> maximaus: remember, in linux, everything is easy :)
[11:37] <Nem[Laptop] > Panzerboy: *choke*
[11:37] <Panzerboy> or at least it seems
[11:37] <Panzerboy> heh
[11:37] <Amaranth> simple things a resimple and hard this are possible
[11:37] <Amaranth> are even
[11:37] <Panzerboy> lol
[11:37] <Amaranth> and things
[11:37] <Amaranth> wow
[11:37] <bob2> well, that's not true
[11:37] <maximaus> no, with linux at least things are logical--even if it takes glacial weeks to wrap your brain around them...
[11:37] <bob2> it'd be good if it was, some day
[11:38] <Panzerboy> bob2: you are too serious man :P
[11:38] <maximaus> :D
[11:38] <Amaranth> i suck at 4:30am
[11:38] <Tsjoklat> bob2 is a barrel of laughs.. aren't you bob2? :)
[11:39] <TongMaster> good Tsjoklat, just ripping a lice Cat Empire CD.
[11:39] <Nem[Laptop] > Tsjoklat: more a spiteful individual, full of hate ;)
[11:39] <kreiger> mmm
[11:39] <kreiger> cs:s has 10 minutes till downloaded
[11:39] <kreiger> life is sweet
[11:39] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster, sounds frightning... do I want to know what it is?
[11:39] <maximaus> so just adding "sd" to the /etc/modules file should do the ISA trick?
[11:39] <Tsjoklat> Nem[Laptop] , if you say so :)
[11:39] <maximaus> sb rather...
[11:39] <Panzerboy> maximaus: dunno, try it
[11:40] <kreiger> hey Nem[Laptop] 
[11:40] <Nem[Laptop] > Tsjoklat: just ask him about his favourite tv show (andromeda)
[11:40] <Nem[Laptop] > kreiger: hey
[11:40] <Panzerboy> maximaus: it should though
[11:40] <zenrox> maximaus, yes it will
[11:40] <kreiger> Nem[Laptop] , my shit is slowly pulling together, thanks for the help before.
[11:40] <maximaus> groovy--I'll do a reboot ala windows and check back in in a minute.
[11:40] <Panzerboy> let's see now if i can access those stupid dynamic volumes
[11:40] <maximaus> Ciao
[11:40] <Tsjoklat> Nem[Laptop] , I'll wait for him to start talking about it
[11:40] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, bought a new one.
[11:41] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, s/lice/live/
[11:41] <TongMaster> :)
[11:41] <Nem[Laptop] > kreiger: dont even recall helping you... but happy to take the cred ;)
[11:41] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster :) missed you around
[11:41] <kreiger> mm
[11:41] <kreiger> yer right. it was nermal
[11:41] <kreiger> lol
[11:41] <kreiger> well, thank you for NOT helping then.
[11:41] <kreiger> bastard
[11:41] <Nem[Laptop] > hahaha
[11:42] <TongMaster> thanks Tsjoklat :)
[11:42] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster :)
[11:43] <monoxide> from my XMMS config file: output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libALSA.so
[11:43] <Nem[Laptop] > monoxide: have you tried stracing xmms to see why its dieing?
[11:43] <monoxide> what should i change it to?
[11:43] <monoxide> i have straced it, but no idea where to look in that strace
[11:44] <Nem[Laptop] > around the part where it dies?
[11:44] <monoxide> yea, well... i know that much, but i dont know what to look for
[11:44] <Nem[Laptop] > paste last 10-15 lines in #flood
[11:44] <sebastian> hi is there anybody here who can help me with tetex?
[11:45] <Nem[Laptop] > *shudder*
[11:46] <Tsjoklat> I like Latex
[11:47] <sebastian> Me to, but I have a little question.
[11:47] <sebastian> What's the right way to install a package to tetex?
[11:47] <Tsjoklat> sorry sebastian my mind went wandering... can't help you with that.. know nada zilch zip about tetex. sorry
[11:47] <Nem[Laptop] > tetex-bn, i think
[11:48] <sebastian> I want to install a style for bibtex
[11:48] <Nem[Laptop] > er,  tetex-bin
[11:48] <Panzerboy> maximaus: so?
[11:48] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: install a package called 'reportbug'
[11:48] <sebastian> i have installed tetex-bin and tetex-extras, but the style dinat is not in this packages
[11:49] <Nem[Laptop] > MacPlusG3: then do `reportbug xmms`
[11:49] <maximaus> Ah the annoying rings of Gaim-IRC have never sounded so good--appending "sb" to /etc/modules has indeed permanantly fixed my sound.
[11:49] <sebastian> I have to install it by hand, but don't know how
[11:50] <Nem[Laptop] > er..
[11:50] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: then do `reportbug xmms`
[11:50] <Nem[Laptop] > bah, i think its time to get some sleep.
[11:51] <maximaus> Nem--- I'm not having an issue with XMMS why should I report a bug?
[11:51] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: because xmms is crashing
[11:51] <ompaul> Nem[Laptop] , but it is 11am :)
[11:51] <Panzerboy> Nem[Laptop] : not him is having a problem with xmms lol
[11:51] <maximaus> funny, I haven't started it yet... LOL
[11:51] <Panzerboy> but monoxide
[11:51] <Panzerboy> LOL
[11:51] <Nem[Laptop] > bah
[11:51] <Nem[Laptop] > as i said, i need sleepo
[11:51] <Nem[Laptop] > Panzerboy: thanks ;)
[11:51] <maximaus> Nem, which part of the globe are you located?
[11:52] <Nem[Laptop] > monoxide: see above about my crap to maximaus re: reportbug.
[11:52] <Panzerboy> maximaus: asl :P
[11:52] <Panzerboy> maximaus: pls :P
[11:52] <Tsjoklat> there where they need sleep
[11:52] <Nem[Laptop] > maximaus: australia
[11:52] <monoxide> im looking at reportbug atm ;)
[11:52] <Nem[Laptop] > monoxide: hah, so at least you're more with it than I am ;)
[11:52] <maximaus> I'm in Sweden.
[11:52] <monoxide> barely, i was about to go sleepy myself
[11:53] <Nem[Laptop] > yeah, im gonna hit the hay.
[11:53] <Nem[Laptop] > nite all
[11:53] <Nem[Laptop] > hope ive caused more good than confusion, lol
[11:53] <maximaus> Sweden, where I've never met a people so enamored of everything MS--despite their socialist/collectivist tendencies. hehe
[11:53] <Xappe> bah
[11:54] <Xappe> <-- also a swede
[11:54] <Panzerboy> maximaus: lol
[11:54] <Panzerboy> why is that?
[11:55] <maximaus> brainwashing...
[11:56] <Tsjoklat> nothing wrong with Sweden
[11:56] <maximaus> My aunt is a teacher here and is forced to used Office XP on a lappie with 112 mb ram--since after buying XP licenses they had no money left over for ram. Ironically--she prefers Openoffice.
[11:56] <Tsjoklat> even though I am not crazy about the red haring salade
[11:56] <monoxide> cheap internet to download the softeware with...
[11:57] <maximaus> Tsjoklat: I'm a swede, so I feel free to be critical of my countrymen. I LOVE herring by the way. :P
[11:57] <Tsjoklat> maximaus, ah yes herring oops sorry.. I typed it in Dutch
[11:57] <Xappe> maximaus, well, and we have to feed the polar bears every morning
[11:57] <maximaus> LOL
[11:57] <Tsjoklat> maximaus, I like it the Dutch way.. raw with onions
[11:58] <maximaus> and served by sexy blond girls at a street stand. YUM.
[11:59] <linuxboy> is there an unrar for ubuntu? if so, where must i get it from?
[11:59] <Tsjoklat> linuxboy, apt-get unrar-nonfree
[11:59] <Tsjoklat> linuxboy, just make sure you have universe and multiverse in your rep
[12:00] <Xappe> or you can just get it from rarlabs.com
[12:01] <linuxboy> Tsjoklat: thatx
[12:01] <linuxboy> Tsjoklat: thanx
[12:03] <Tsjoklat> linuxboy, you're welcome
[12:04] <flosch> hi
[12:14] <Kwiat> hey there, i'd like to help out with graphic design!
[12:14] <oDysseas> I want to install ubuntu linux in my computer but I only have a pci modem. Will ubuntu recognize my modem? Or I will have to download the drivers?
[12:14] <Kwiat> you can see what ive done so far at my homepage www.kwiat.org
[12:17] <Kwiat> anyone there to help me how i can chat to graphic designers at ubuntu?
[12:18] <Neil3> try the development forums Kwiat?
[12:19] <maximaus> oDysseas: depends on what the chipset is. You'll probably have to grab drivers or even a different modem.
[12:19] <Kwiat> thanks neil but isnt anyone here at irc which may be kinda quicker in regard to communication?
[12:20] <Neil3> i dunno about this channel
[12:20] <maximaus> FWIW I've used a conexant chipped pci modem w/linux w/ zero problems.
[12:20] <Tsjoklat> Kwiat, try the wiki?
[12:20] <vi11e> which setting do I have fakced up , my gnomes desktop clock gets always 10minutes forward in time when I reboot?
[12:21] <oDysseas> maximaus my problem is that if I must download the drivers how am I going to do it without an internet connection?
[12:21] <Kwiat> just trying the forum... tsjoklat - where to post in the wiki? under which category to file such a posting?
[12:22] <markuman> i can't found kernel-source-2.6.8.1.-2-386
[12:22] <markuman> for the ubuntu warty 4.10
[12:22] <markuman> kernel-source-2.6.8.1.-3386
[12:22] <markuman> sorry, this i mean
[12:24] <hydrus> does anyone know anything about the "ubuntu look and feel contest"?
[12:25] <Kwiat> neil3, i'Ve no permission to post new threads in the dev forum?
[12:26] <tito> hi
[12:27] <hydrus> hi
[12:27] <Tsjoklat> Kwiat, I would go to the art wiki page
[12:28] <tito> i need install a memory stick with NTFS can help me?
[12:28] <Kwiat> Tsjoklat, ive done so :)
[12:29] <tito> gnome-volume-manager is installed
[12:30] <Kwiat> Tsjoklat - see my posting at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtworkDiscussion
[12:31] <tito> fdisk -l
[12:32] <Tsjoklat> Kwiat :)
[12:33] <Kwiat> :) short for kwiatkowski
[12:33] <Favas> is it possible to fresh install ubuntu into an already created raid0 array?
[12:33] <Kwiat> Tsjoklat, are you wondring about my name ;) or how should i understand taht?
[12:35] <Xappe> hmm, I get a delayed sound output when trying (for example) tuxracer --> esddsp --> polypaudio
[12:36] <looksaus> would it be appropriate for me to put a link to an external bounty in the Ubuntu wiki?
[12:36] <looksaus> think of something like GPL'ing blender, but on a smaller scale...
[12:37] <Xappe> is there another way to get sound from games with polypaudio up and running?
[12:39] <Kwiat> see you all
[12:40] <Tsjoklat> taiwk?
[12:40] <Tsjoklat> way too late to be arsed by that
[12:41] <olly-bh> Hi.  I've just installed ubuntu on a box - I want to use it as a mailserver, but it's refusing all external connections on port 25.  Any ideas why?
[12:41] <olly-bh> postfix, btw
[12:42] <wezzer> make sure that your ISP ain't blocking port 25
[12:42] <olly-bh> wezzer: this is on my home network - nothing's going through my ISP yet
[12:43] <olly-bh> wezzer: and my ISP doesn't block it - I've been running an OpenBSD server till now
[12:44] <tito> usb device is in NTFS and i need to install it
[12:44] <tito> what command i need to enter please?
[12:45] <wezzer> okay, then I'm out of ideas
[12:45] <pelle_> hi, i have this beginner question:
[12:45] <pelle_> how do I get gnome to show computer, network, trashcan icons on my desktop?
[12:45] <tito> i don't know how do this, please help
[12:46] <olly-bh> wezzer: :(  thx anyway
[12:46] <Tsjoklat> pelle_, gconfeditor
[12:46] <Tsjoklat> pelle_, applications, system tools, gconf editor
[12:46] <Tsjoklat> configuration editor pelle_
[12:47] <looksaus> tito, NTFS support is read-only for the moment
[12:47] <pelle_> tsjoklat, thanks!
[12:47] <tito> ok but i can't read
[12:47] <tito> fdisk -l detect it
[12:47] <looksaus> not sure if Ubuntu has NTFS read capabilities compiled into its default kernel
[12:47] <Tsjoklat> pelle_, you're welcome
[12:47] <bob2> it does
[12:47] <Tomcat_> looksaus: It does.
[12:48] <tito> but mount /dev/sda1 /usb not work
[12:48] <looksaus> (on Debian right now, can't check)
[12:48] <bob2> you need to specify the filesystem
[12:48] <misha> only fat32 work
[12:48] <looksaus> mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /usb ?
[12:48] <bob2> something like that
[12:49] <looksaus> on hoary, it should probably automount
[12:49] <tito> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[12:49] <tito>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:49] <tito>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[12:49] <tito>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[12:49] <pelle_> tsjoklat, what category in gconf?
[12:50] <Tsjoklat> pelle_, gnome-session I think let me check
[12:50] <Tsjoklat> pelle_, nautilus desktop
[12:50] <bob2> tito: how sure are you that sda1 is the right device?
[12:50] <Tsjoklat> under there you'll find it pelle_
[12:50] <tito> i edit /etc/fstab
[12:51] <tito> fdisk -l
[12:51] <tito> * /dev/sda1
[12:51] <looksaus> tito, why would you edit /etc/fstab?
[12:51] <pelle_> tsjoklat, thanks again!
[12:51] <looksaus> you should really make sure you can mount it correctly manualluy
[12:52] <tito> to add this /dev/sda1	/mnt/win2k	ntfs	ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[12:52] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows/C  ntfs    ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=iso8859-1 0 0
[12:53] <markuman> i'm searching for the kernel-source from ubuntu warty 4.10. what should i have in my apt/sources.list to find it
[12:53] <markuman> ?
[12:54] <looksaus> markuman, I don't remember exactly, but I do know there is a great howto for anything kernel related on the ubuntu wiki
[12:54] <bob2> markuman: you don't need that tobuild modules
[12:54] <markuman> bob2, but for nvidia driver i think so
[12:54] <zenrox> nope
[12:55] <zenrox> markuman, u need nvidia-glx
[12:55] <markuman> ok
[12:55] <Tsjoklat> markuman you don't
[12:55] <zenrox> and linux-restricted-modules
[12:55] <Tsjoklat> markuman if you install linux-restricted-modules you will have 3D
[12:55] <bob2> markuman: nope
[12:55] <bob2> markuman: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:55] <bob2> Tsjoklat: you need to do more than that
[12:56] <Tsjoklat> bob2 I didn't
[12:56] <zenrox> that too and www.ubuntuguide.org/#nvidiadriver <--i think
[12:56] <Tsjoklat> bob2 it worked straight up for me
[12:56] <bob2> well, X won't use the nvidia driver until you configure it to
[12:56] <markuman> if i run sh nvidiaxxxx.run , he want the kernel-source for the nvidia modules
[12:56] <bob2> markuman: indeed
[12:56] <Tsjoklat> but then.. I am biased.. when zenrox says something I tend to doubt it
[12:56] <bob2> 21:55:50           bob2 | markuman: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:56] <bob2> read that
[12:59] <spazery> I have ubuntu 4.10, and i am trying to compile a program but i keep getting the error message, configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[01:00] <zenrox> spazery,  try sudo apt-get build-essentials
[01:00] <bob2> it's build-essential
[01:00] <zenrox> sorry habbit
[01:01] <bob2> ?
[01:01] <zenrox> i put a s every thime i type that out
[01:02] <looksaus> spazery, if I may be so curious, what are you trying to build?
[01:02] <spazery> I get a message saying E: Invalid operation build-essential
[01:02] <bob2> spazery: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:02] <looksaus> spazery, it's apt-get install build... bob2 was faster than me
[01:03] <spazery> samba
[01:03] <looksaus> ok, that's what I was afraid of already
[01:03] <bob2> spazery: samba's in ubuntu...
[01:03] <zenrox> no need to compile samba
[01:04] <looksaus> spazery, you really should read about how to install programs on Linux
[01:04] <spazery> for some reason it doesnt seem to have installed. As you can prob guess im new to Linux
[01:04] <bob2> spazery: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:04] <looksaus> about the concept of package management
[01:04] <looksaus> it's a bit different than what you're used to on win/mac
[01:05] <spazery> ill have a look at it thanks. Yeah, it is much different. And alot better
[01:08] <tito> after editing /etc/fstab is necessari to restart computer?
[01:08] <looksaus> no...
[01:10] <linuxboy> it there a site with all the changes from warty to hoary?
[01:13] <tito> mount -t NTFS /dev/sda1 /usb response:
[01:14] <tito> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[01:14] <tito>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:14] <tito>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[01:14] <tito>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[01:14] <zenrox> tito make ntfs lowercase
[01:15] <Denisbr> Good Morning
[01:15] <tito> mount -t >ntfs< reponse the same
[01:16] <zenrox> tito is it prehaps fat32
[01:16] <zenrox> if so try vfat insted of ntfs
[01:16] <tito> in fdisk -l reponse:
[01:16] <bob2> tito: sudo modprobe ntfs
[01:17] <bob2> assuming you're using an Ubuntu kernel
[01:17] <tito> yes i do
[01:18] <tito> reponse: * /dev/sda1 system: HPFS/NTFS
[01:18] <tito> yes Ubuntu 4.10
[01:20] <Denisbr> I am receiving the error:  Could not open resource will be writing when I execute play in the recorder of sound of gnome.  What it can be?
[01:21] <tito> i don't know how resolve this
[01:21] <looksaus> tito, lsmod|grep ntfs
[01:22] <looksaus> this makes sure you have the ntfs kernel module loaded
[01:22] <looksaus> if you get a result like
[01:22] <looksaus> mark@navelpluis:~$ lsmod|grep ntfs
[01:22] <looksaus> ntfs                   50784   0 (unused)
[01:23] <looksaus> you have it loaded
[01:23] <looksaus> if not, try what bob2 said: sudo modprobe ntfs
[01:23] <tito> yes
[01:24] <tito> it is loaded
[01:24] <tito> root@ubuntu:/home/tito # lsmod|grep ntfs
[01:25] <tito> ntfs                   88660  0
[01:26] <bob2> then it really sounds like sda1 is not a NTFS filesystems
[01:26] <bob2> why do you think it is?
[01:26] <bob2> and fdisk output does not count
[01:26] <looksaus> what kind of device is it?
[01:27] <looksaus> because I know about zero usb mass storage devices that are ntfs formatted, except for some ordinary hard disks
[01:27] <looksaus> cameras, MP3 players, other gadgets, they're almost all vfat
[01:27] <looksaus> some ext3, too
[01:28] <tito> i put in windows convert i: /FS:NTFS
[01:28] <bob2> gah
[01:28] <bob2> that was silly
[01:29] <AngryClip> does anyone know of a script for kvirc that does teh "currently playing" with xmms?
[01:29] <vjaz> you don't want that
[01:29] <vjaz> don't do it
[01:29] <vjaz> ...
[01:29] <vjaz> (it's annoying)
[01:30] <AngryClip> nah
[01:30] <AngryClip> I want to bind it to a key (like f1)
[01:30] <AngryClip> not to automaticaly spam the channels
[01:30] <vjaz> hm... ok
[01:30] <zenrox> or manule type in a command
[01:31] <zenrox> AngryClip, check out kvircs webpage thay probly have scripts
[01:31] <vjaz> well I guess that might not be all that bad... but it's still annoying when people act as robots
[01:31] <AngryClip> zenrox: can't seem to find them there
[01:32] <dev3> How do I allow remote shell access using root?
[01:32] <zenrox> AngryClip, google can be your freind
[01:32] <AngryClip> not on this occasion
[01:32] <zenrox> AngryClip, thought about using xchat
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> heya
[01:33] <zenrox> AngryClip, xchat has toes of xmms anounce scripts
[01:33] <AngryClip> zenrox: yeah, I don't like the interface
[01:33] <zenrox> hmm
[01:33] <zenrox> just a thought the AngryClip
[01:33] <AngryClip> yeah ;)
[01:34] <zenrox> but it might be worth it to get use to the ui of xchat for some kick butt scripts
[01:34] <zenrox> or write your own
[01:35] <MidnightDevil> some packages depend on ubuntu-base, how can i remove these?
[01:35] <MidnightDevil> i got games that i dont need :)
[01:35] <hydrus> does anyone know anything about the "ubuntu look and feel contest"?
[01:36] <zenrox> MidnightDevil,  open synaptic and look for the games you dont want and uninstall them
[01:37] <MidnightDevil> when i uninstall them i get the msg that that package depends on ubuntu-desktop or alike
[01:37] <thoreauputic> MidnightDevil: that's a meta-package - removing it won't hurt anything
[01:37] <thoreauputic> (ubuntu-base)
[01:37] <zenrox> hes right
[01:37] <thoreauputic> same for ubuntu-desktop
[01:38] <MidnightDevil> oh ok
[01:38] <Xappe> does sb live support hardware mixing? (i'm getting tired of soundservers and nforce2 onboard sound)
[01:38] <MidnightDevil> same goes for "kde-base" and alike right ?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> when in doubt, type apt-cache show <package> and see if it says "meta"
[01:39] <MidnightDevil> k
[01:39] <vi11e> what windows emulators are there available in apt-get ?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> MidnightDevil: apt will warn you if you try to deatroy your system *grin*
[01:40] <thoreauputic> s/deatroy/destroy
[01:41] <JzE> Does any1 know good sites which tell you how to get quake2 work in linux?
[01:41] <dev3> How do I enable root login via ssh?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> dev3: sounds like a bad idea
[01:42] <vi11e> JzE: what emulator did you try it with?
[01:42] <JzE> vi11e: Haven't tried it with any yet
[01:43] <thoreauputic> dev3: what's wrong with user login followed by sudo -s or similar?
[01:43] <dev3> ah
[01:43] <dev3> I totally forgot about that
[01:43] <dev3> lol
[01:43] <zenrox> lol
[01:43] <dev3> sorry 5am
[01:43] <zenrox> lol
[01:43] <dev3> need sleep
[01:43] <vi11e> I have wine, but it seems that it is not very good, I am about to try some alternative emulator, but I don't really know what should I try
[01:43] <zenrox> ville try qemu
[01:44] <vi11e> I need to get 3d game virtual pool3 to work.. and multisim program
[01:44] <vi11e> hmm ok
[01:44] <Neil3> foobillard
[01:44] <Neil3> 3d pool ^
[01:44] <vi11e> yea but it isn't as good as vp3
[01:45] <JzE> I looked at some sites and they said that I need pak0.pak from windows installation and linux binaries
[01:45] <vi11e> and it lags on my machine, I have ati card and I can't instal lgood drivers.. no matter if I install fglrx drivers it still lags
[01:45] <JzE> I got the pak0.pak and linux binaries.. But how do I start the game? =/
[01:45] <zenrox> vi11e,  read this to it will help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13823
[01:46] <vi11e> ok, I'll try the qemu first
[01:47] <Pelle> Newbie question: Are there any good graphical tools for handling fat32 disk mounting in linux?
[01:47] <zenrox> Pelle,  no
[01:47] <Pelle> ok ;)
[01:48] <zenrox> but you can tell ubuntu to mount fat32 at start up so you dont have to think about it
[01:48] <kreiger> hm
[01:48] <kreiger> I am currently dual-booting. 80 gb hd. how should i format my ntfs and add it to my linux?
[01:49] <kreiger> or do i need to format the entire thing? also, what do i do with grub?
[01:49] <Pelle> zenrox - yes, I know - but it sure would be nice with a gui and some smooth icons rather than poking around with fstab
[01:51] <vi11e> hmm seems like that qemu is emulating the pc not windows.. so I should have a full windows install ? naa thanks
[01:51] <Pelle> This HAL thing is very nice, but I have a particular key (or whatever they call) it I would like to edit manually (a vendor.string). Is that possible, and where do I do it?
[01:54] <ompaul> kreiger, do you want to close down that other thing for ever?
[01:55] <ompaul> kreiger, if so then you need to type sudo fdisk -l and it will show the layout of the hardrive
[01:57] <kreiger> close down xp forever? yeah. i do.
[01:57] <kreiger> but how do i attach it to my current file system?
[01:57] <ompaul> kreiger, after that you need to note the partition that has ntfsomething on it
[01:58] <kreiger>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:58] <kreiger> /dev/hda1   *           1       83848    42258951    7  HPFS/NTFS
[01:58] <kreiger> /dev/hda2           83849      154016    35364672   83  Linux
[01:58] <kreiger> /dev/hda3          154017      155009      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[01:58] <kreiger> /dev/hda5          154017      155009      500440+  82  Linux swap
[01:58] <kreiger> what hda3 is, i have NO idea.
[01:58] <zenrox> kreiger, are you going to get ride of windows compleatly
[01:58] <kreiger> yea.
[01:58] <ompaul> kreiger, it is an extended partition
[01:59] <ompaul> kreiger, have you got a lot of personal data on that box?
[01:59] <zenrox> just do a reinstall and do a auto partion in the installer
[01:59] <kreiger> most of the important stuff is burned
[01:59] <zenrox> thats the quickest way
[01:59] <NetwrkMonkey> yah know
[01:59] <kreiger> i have some music, but p2p is a beautiful thing
[01:59] <NetwrkMonkey> ubuntu is quite confusing on how to install Java
[01:59] <NetwrkMonkey> from the guide's and how to's
[01:59] <NetwrkMonkey> too many different options and ways
[02:00] <kreiger> so, i guess to answer your question, no, not really that much personal stuff
[02:00] <zenrox> NetwrkMonkey, read www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:00] <zenrox> its the easyest way
[02:00] <NetwrkMonkey> it's like stopping to ask for instructions and getting 15 answers
[02:00] <kreiger> i guess i just don't really wanna format the entire thing, you know?
[02:00] <kreiger> not like i can even acess the windows xp anyway
[02:00] <kreiger> except through a mounted drive
[02:01] <felix_1> Hi, Somenone knows how gnome initialise its menus when a new user starts it for the first time ? ( it takes the data from a skeleton, in the case of Ubuntu it must be somewhere in etc ...
[02:01] <ompaul> NetwrkMonkey, have you downloaded a file?
[02:01] <NetwrkMonkey> i'm just ranting
[02:01] <NetwrkMonkey> ;p
[02:02] <zenrox> NetwrkMonkey, lol
[02:02] <kreiger> new question.
[02:02] <kreiger> how do i open .wmv files in nix?
[02:02] <ompaul> NetwrkMonkey, you have a simple enough problem to solve I can answer in a couple of lines - so your rant is not really a good thing (tm)
[02:03] <darksatanic> kreiger: mplayer, usually
[02:03] <darksatanic> kreiger: You will need the appropriate Win32 codec as well
[02:03] <kreiger> i think i got them.
[02:03] <kreiger> yeah, i did
[02:03] <NetwrkMonkey> hrm i can't decide, do i want the jre or the jdk, i might do some development, but then i can't decide
[02:03] <NetwrkMonkey> argh
[02:03] <kreiger> is it cause i'm trying to run the file from an ntfs drive?
[02:04] <darksatanic> Unlikely.
[02:04] <ompaul> NetwrkMonkey, so take something and if you want more get it
[02:04] <kreiger> hm
[02:04] <darksatanic> .wmv covers a whole range of evils.
[02:04] <NetwrkMonkey> ompaul, you in ireland?
[02:04] <kreiger> well, i'm trying .avi now
[02:04] <kreiger> or, rather .mpg
[02:04] <cyrus82> hi! does anyone know when xorg 6.8.2 will be in hoary? (i need the new nv driver)
[02:04] <darksatanic> You may not have the exact codec needed.
[02:04] <ompaul> NetwrkMonkey, I hope so
[02:04] <kreiger> and i'm getting an error from totem
[02:04] <bretzel> NetwrkMonkey: I have jdk 1.5 - with netbeans, the ubuntu wiki and /or howto shows how to installit and setup :-)
[02:05] <apokryphos> I've made a static IP, but after a restart, it reverts back to my old IP until I do an ifdown/ifup eth0. Is this meant to happen?
[02:05] <ompaul> NetwrkMonkey, when I flew home on Wednesday night the airport was Dublin :)
[02:06] <thoreauputic> ompaul: it's an illusion - as far as I'm concerbed you are in Australia ;)
[02:06] <thoreauputic> *concerned
[02:06] <ompaul> thoreauputic, perhaps, but then again if I was I would be in hanging out in cape trib :)
[02:07] <ompaul> thoreauputic, then I would have no net access
[02:07] <thoreauputic> hehe
[02:07] <ompaul> which makes my presence even more of an illusion
[02:07] <snowblink> apokryphos: where/how did you specify your static ip?
[02:08] <apokryphos> snowblink: in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:08] <NetwrkMonkey> so far i like ubuntu
[02:08] <snowblink> apokryphos: that should keep work then
[02:08] <NetwrkMonkey> i've been using it for hrm 3 months now?
[02:09] <snowblink> apokryphos: keep them
[02:09] <NetwrkMonkey> been with linux sincce redhat 3.0.3
[02:09] <spiral> fabbione: hello ?
[02:09] <spiral> NetwrkMonkey: whoah... which kernel was it then ?
[02:09] <apokryphos> snowblink: Keep work? Does this mean I have to do an ifdown/ifup eth0 everytime?
[02:10] <snowblink> apokryphos: no. Sorry. If you enter it there, it should keep them
[02:10] <thoreauputic> dhcp issues?
[02:12] <apokryphos> snowblink: Something must be going wrong then. ;-)
[02:12] <apokryphos> Prior to having a static IP though, funnily enough, the local IP never changed.
[02:12] <thoreauputic> a brilliant illumination of the obviuos ;) !
[02:12] <apokryphos> Sure is refreshing
[02:13] <NetwrkMonkey> brb
[02:13] <snowblink> apokryphos: Hmmm. Local IP, static IP. Are you NATing?
[02:14] <apokryphos> Well, network stuff, yes
[02:14] <spiral> any new about ipw2200 fix ?
[02:15] <apokryphos> brb
[02:17] <ompaul> spiral, that was kernel version 1.2.13 according to rick moen in an article to be found here --->> http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/info-general
[02:18] <spiral> ompaul: ouah :-)
[02:29] <fuflo> hi. where is the default cursor theme defined on warty? i like those white cursors, but when i update pkgs from hoary, those cursors disappear.. how can i save current config?
[02:30] <fuflo> yoohoo?
[02:30] <cheleb> fuflo: Hi, check this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14029
[02:31] <fuflo> k
[02:31] <tito> how can i format a memory stick for read in Windows and Ubuntu? NTFS?
[02:31] <Xappe> fuflo, you should not mix packages from hoary with warty. use backports instead if you have to, or upgrade to hoary...
[02:32] <cheleb> tito: FAT16/32 should work
[02:33] <tito> and how can i format this?
[02:33] <tito> my device usb is in /dev/sda1
[02:33] <cheleb> tito: fdisk /dev/sda1
[02:34] <tito> tnks
[02:34] <fuflo> Xappe, backports? :/
[02:34] <fuflo> cheleb, thanks. looks helpful
[02:35] <Xappe> fuflo, yes. packages from hoary that have been altered to fit warty
[02:35] <fuflo> k
[02:35] <Xappe> but I would be careful with them too, because they can screw you when upgrading to hoary later on
[02:37] <cheleb> Does anyone in here have problems with sound/polypaudio?
[02:37] <plagerism> Is there something special I need to do to be able to print from openoffice to a cups printer??
[02:37] <plagerism> I have verified the printer works in other programs, just not in openoffice
[02:38] <fuflo> Xappe, but.. hm.. sooner or later all packages would be updated if i use hoary's pkgs.. so after some time i will have full hoary? :)
[02:40] <thoreauputic> cheleb: you are not alone - lots of people, it seems
[02:43] <Xappe> fuflo, well...no...if you do not dist-upgrade to hoary, you'll end up with a total me....hmm...mixture
[02:44] <vi11e> Hey, is there some freeware OS emulator?
[02:44] <vi11e> like VMware
[02:44] <cheleb> thoreauputic: well, at the end it's good to hear that i am not alone ( in some sense :) )
[02:44] <Tomcat_> vi11e: There's Bochs...
[02:45] <thoreauputic> on mac, there's mac-on-linux
[02:45] <thoreauputic> which can also run linux-on-linux (not windows though, since there's no win for ppc ;) )
[02:46] <Seiken`> is it okay to ask if someone can look at my thread on ubuntuforums.org and see if they can help me out? or is that considered disrepectful to the people on the forum (by not waiting for their responses)
[02:46] <Silensius> howh can i remove openoffice and reinstall french version ?
[02:46] <fuflo> Xappe, hm.. i did this last time i had installed ubuntu.. and then ant login prompt it showed hoary.. isnt that enough?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Seiken`: URL?
[02:47] <Seiken`> thoreauputic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16111
[02:47] <Seiken`> I am just eager to get it up and running is all.
[02:47] <Seiken`> (running off the LiveCD right now)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> Seiken`: looking
[02:47] <Seiken`> thanks
[02:47] <cheleb> Silensius: apt-get install language-support-fr
[02:48] <plagerism> do I need something special to print from openoffice to a cups print server??
[02:48] <Silensius> thanks
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Seiken`: have you tried doing  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop  ?  I have heard that sometimes works
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Seiken`: but it looks like a deeper problem
[02:50] <jono> fabbione, you here?
[02:50] <plagerism> in openoffice my print jobs just go into oblivion
[02:50] <plagerism> thats not good
[02:50] <Silensius> cheleb : i'm on mac and it says no packages
[02:50] <plagerism> they go to the big bit bucket in the sky
[02:51] <username> if I wanted to install ubunto, how would I be able to ascertain which programs are of which version, before I do so?
[02:52] <Seiken`> thoreauputic: yes, I have. It just gives me dependency errors on a bunch of x stuff.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> username: which program in particular? There are thousands ...
[02:52] <username> thoreauputic: all of them
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Seiken`: hmm - sorry I don't know then: but possibly your disc is corrupt? You checked the md5sum?
[02:53] <username> thoreauputic: just list them all for me - I'll stop you when you get to one that I'm interested in
[02:53] <cheleb> Silensius: i guess you'll have to go here then : http://fr.openoffice.org/about-downloads.html#fr
[02:53] <Seiken`> thoreauputic: possible. I did not check the md5sum, no, because up until yesterday I didn't even know about md5sum checking :)
[02:53] <thoreauputic> username: haha - you want me to flood the channel for the next hour?
[02:53] <username> thoreauputic: unless there's a better way
[02:54] <Bandit> Seiken` sorry i just arrived here but is your problem you cant get it installed completely?
[02:54] <Seiken`> Bandit: check this URL for my problem -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16111
[02:54] <whyubuntu> is there anyone who could tell me what is special about ubuntu or give me some links?
[02:54] <username> thoreauputic: there must be some means of ascertaining what versions are currently in ubunto or not?
[02:55] <Bandit> Seiken` no sorry thought you wanted help
[02:55] <thoreauputic> username: aure - look on distrowatch.com
[02:55] <Seiken`> ok, thanks anyway
[02:55] <username> thoreauputic: for example, the program 'inkscape' is currently at 0.41 release.
[02:55] <username> thoreauputic: excellent - I'll investigate
[02:55] <thoreauputic> username: distrowatch has most versions listed
[02:56] <username> that'll be very useful - thanks
[02:56] <thoreauputic> username: be aware there are over 10 000 packages available....
[02:56] <Bandit> :)
[02:57] <snowblink> hoary-users, is postfix still the default MTA?
[02:57] <ompaul> whyubuntu, try having a look at www.ubuntulinux.org the fact that if you check out distrowatch.com you will see it getting a bit of interest - I have been using OSS for 10+ years and I am happy to suggest it to anyone who asks :-)
[02:57] <Panzerboy> snowblink: yes
[02:58] <Panzerboy> is there any way i can install tomcat in ubuntu besides the obviuosly manual way ?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> username: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[02:58] <snowblink> Panzerboy: cheers.
[02:58] <plagerism> where do I file Ubuntu bugs??
[02:58] <Panzerboy> cheers snowblink
[02:59] <snowblink> Panzerboy: I just installed tomcat... let me check my notes
[02:59] <Panzerboy> snowblink: thanks
[02:59] <fuflo> where are all modules that are loaded on startup ? or is it managed by hotplug. and if so, then how can i exclude some modules i dont want to load.. ?
[02:59] <snowblink> Panzerboy: no probs downloading it and tar xvzf -C /opt
[02:59] <thoreauputic> plagerism: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[02:59] <Panzerboy> snowblink: ok
[02:59] <snowblink> Panzerboy: only issue on warty was mod_jk compilation
[02:59] <zenrox> heas a good question i got dual monters set up in my xorg.conf but the other vid card (witch also uses a nvidia driver) will not turn it on so i was forsed to use the nv driver just to get back here
[03:00] <zenrox> xorg log said some thing about unresoulved symboles
[03:00] <Panzerboy> snowblink: well, i didn't plan on using mod_jk
[03:00] <username> thoreauputic: that's interesting, ubunto has only got about twenty or thirty packages in it.
[03:00] <Panzerboy> snowblink: i don't have apache installed on the machine and besides that, it's not a production server
[03:01] <snowblink> Panzerboy: fair enough. I think that the bug (Debian 243340) should be fixed in Hoary anyway
[03:01] <jono> anyone know about using bluetooth with a nokia phone?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> username: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/
[03:01] <Panzerboy> jono: depends on what you want to do
[03:02] <zenrox> anyone want to take a stab
[03:02] <thoreauputic> username: and everything at  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[03:02] <whyubuntu> ompaul, thanks, that is what i wanted, i will look it trough
[03:02] <ironwolf> jono: you want jdub's bluetooth stuff, not sure where it is or if jdub is up right now.
[03:02] <thoreauputic> username: that should keep you busy for an eon or so ;)
[03:03] <jono> Panzerboy, I want to use gnome-phone-manager, but I keep getting an error about it not being able to use /dev/rfcomm0 - it does exist, but I suspect it is a udev problem
[03:03] <cheleb> fuflo: yes, they are all managed by hotplug. to disable modules at startup they must be blacklisted in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:03] <jono> ironwolf, what stuff?
[03:04] <Panzerboy> jono: i see, i was more interested in some sync stuff
[03:04] <zenrox> how can i tell ubuntu to use the same driver for a second video card
[03:04] <ironwolf> jono: jdub built stuff for bluetooth to work. *sorry for being vague, I haven't used it*
[03:04] <username> thoreauputic: aha - found it. Thanks. I see inkscape is a version behind there, too
[03:04] <username> thoreauputic: but not three versions behind as gentoo is
[03:04] <jono> Panzerboy, how do I get it to sync? I have managed to get a message on the phone where it asks to connect, but it has a problem weith the rfcomm thing
[03:04] <ironwolf> Is there a way to make an ntfs filesystem read-write without re-compiling the kernel?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> username: look in hoary for the latest stuff
[03:05] <Panzerboy> jono: that's what i would like to know myself too :)
[03:05] <fuflo> cheleb, thx again :)
[03:05] <Panzerboy> jono: i've been searching a way to sync my address book with evolution
[03:05] <jono> Panzerboy, you had the same problems?
[03:05] <jono> with rfcomm?
[03:05] <Panzerboy> but up until know, i didn't find anything
[03:05] <cheleb> fuflo: cheers
[03:05] <Panzerboy> jono: no, i didn't try to use gnome-phone-manager
[03:06] <jono> Panzerboy, how did you get it to sync?
[03:06] <Panzerboy> snowblink: it's strange, but it seems that in debian there is a tomcat package
[03:06] <Panzerboy> snowblink: i'm wondering why it's not in ubuntu
[03:07] <Panzerboy> jono: i didn't, i just said above that i'm TRYING to find a way to sync it
[03:07] <jono> ahhh
[03:10] <zenrox> how do i get dual monters set up using 2 deferent nvidia vid cards (xorg.conf is edited right i think) but it will not kick on the second montoer using the nvidia driver as xorg complains about unresoulved symboles in nvidia
[03:11] <zenrox> nad to change the second vid card to use nv just so i can log back in to get more help
[03:11] <zenrox> nad=had
[03:12] <zanshin> Hello everybody
[03:12] <zenrox> hello
[03:13] <zanshin> I tried Yoper because it uses i686 packages. But the packagemanagent sucks. So I want to try ubuntu. Does this distro use i686 or i386 packages?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> zenrox: just for reference - you don't actually *need* X for IRC - ubuntu has irssi-text by default
[03:13] <zanshin> or can I choose :)
[03:13] <vi11e> hey what's up with this : I make a link out of an exe file, and if I run this link it starts to whine about some file that is located in the dir of the original exe
[03:13] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  ya but i wanted to prove to my self that x still worked with the config file was edited right
[03:13] <blk> is it possible to use ssh to connect the server to the client in order to pierce the firewall? (send an invitation)
[03:14] <thoreauputic> zanshin: i386 execept for kernels you can choose to install, I think
[03:14] <thoreauputic> zenrox: fair enough ;)
[03:14] <zanshin> thoreauputic: tobad thanks anyway.
[03:14] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  and it works
[03:14] <Echylo> what is a good cd ripper?
[03:14] <Echylo> or is sound juicer thing ok?
[03:14] <ironwolf> Echylo: grip
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Echylo: it's a bit limited - grip is better
[03:15] <ompaulAFK> Echylo, the ripper works
[03:15] <Echylo> hmm does it rips to ogg?
[03:15] <zenrox> just need to track down why xorg dont like using the same driver for 2 doferent vid cards
[03:15] <ompaulAFK> Echylo, yes
[03:16] <snowblink> blk: are you talking about port fowarding?
[03:16] <plagerism> ughh, I just want to print from openoffice, but spadmin crashes all over the place
[03:16] <Echylo> ok thank you
[03:16] <blk> snowblink: i don't have access to the NAT-settings
[03:16] <snowblink> blk: Not clear what you are trying to achieve
[03:16] <blk> snowblink: that's why i need the server to invite me -> open the connection
[03:17] <snowblink> blk: It depends on your firewall settings
[03:18] <blk> snowblink: the firewall of the server tolerates a connection once it's been opend from inside but refuses it if i try to connect from outside
[03:20] <snowblink> blk: okay. And you are trying to connect from the outside to this server?
[03:20] <blk> snowblink: yeah
[03:21] <zenrox> i am wondering if i have to mod probe agine the nvidia driver and have it point to the other vid card
[03:21] <username> am I right in thinking that if I were to install ubuntu there wouldn't be any kde?
[03:21] <snowblink> blk: I think you need to open your firewall to allow connections from outside then.
[03:22] <thoreauputic> username: not by default - but you cab install it from reposirories with synaptic
[03:22] <thoreauputic> *can
[03:22] <blk> snowblink: that's the problem, it's a network firewall that i don't have access to.. i know WinVNC has such an option for the server to send an invitation and it's working, but i want the same thing for SSH
[03:22] <thoreauputic> username: you would enable the "universe" repository in the synaptic package manager
[03:22] <thoreauputic> or use apt-get
[03:23] <vi11e> hey what's up with this : I make a link out of an exe file, and if I run this link it starts to whine about some file that is located in the dir of the original exe.
[03:24] <snowblink> blk: I don't think you can do that. I hope you can't. :/
[03:24] <vi11e> windoows applicadion... the link tries to run in wine
[03:24] <thoreauputic> vi11e: with wine? There are no exe files in linux
[03:24] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[03:24] <vi11e> so I somehow have to get to the directory to run it..:( so I can't have a link?
[03:26] <vi11e> I run link to elma.exe and it says the elma.res is missing... which is located in elma dir... and if I run elma.exe in elma dir, it works fine
[03:26] <AndyR> lo all
[03:27] <vi11e> also this command works: "cd /dirtoelma/;wine elma.exe"  <--
[03:27] <vi11e> in terminal
[03:27] <snowblink> blk: I would be too concerned about security if I had anything running that could do that.
[03:27] <Echylo> I was wondering, issit possible to integrate a webbrowser into the desktop
[03:27] <blk> snowblink: i understand..trojans and so..
[03:27] <Echylo> like in XP an active desktop
[03:28] <snowblink> blk: firewall change to allow your ip would be best option
[03:29] <username> thoreauputic: thanks
[03:29] <snowblink> Echylo: funny
[03:29] <Echylo> what?
[03:30] <snowblink> Echylo: integrating browser and desktop
[03:30] <cheleb> vi11e: make shure your link is not pointing to your application directly. instead it would be a launcher with an command like this "wine c:////Program\ Files//elma.exe"
[03:30] <Echylo> is there something wrong with it?
[03:30] <Echylo> for example a 500*500 screen with google
[03:30] <Echylo> on workspace 4
[03:30] <Echylo> :p
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Echylo: what is the advantage exactly?
[03:31] <Echylo> I dunno
[03:31] <Echylo> fun
[03:31] <rel> hi, is preemtption enabled in the default hoary kernel?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Echylo: you can just leave a browser running on workspace4 opened to google, can't you?
[03:31] <kreiger> is there a way to see what was in the console before a hard crash?
[03:31] <Echylo> yes
[03:31] <Echylo> nvm
[03:31] <blk> snowblink: i know but that's not possible in this case.. maybe i can tunnel it through..
[03:32] <jono> has anyone reported bugs in the 2.10 version of bluez-utils
[03:33] <vi11e> cheleb: I have it in a directory like this: /home/ville/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/elma hmmp, so how would you type it?
[03:33] <username> is ubuntu a 'user' oriented distribution, or is it more suitable for technical people and programmers?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> username: it's intended to "just work" ou of the box
[03:34] <username> thoreauputic: excellent. That's the one I'm after, then.
[03:34] <thoreauputic> username: but the stuff is available if you want more advanced
[03:34] <ompaulAFK> username, it is a user oriented distro - evidence to whit, my father in law who never owned a computer before is happy using it for email and stuff
[03:34] <ogb> hi, I've tried to compile my own kernel on ubuntu. Do I have to creat an initrd?
[03:35] <username> I want 'just works' - I'm used to OS X, which does exactly that. I'm getting fed up with gentoo, which 'just doesnt' half the time.
[03:35] <cheleb> ville: wine "c:////Program\ Files//elma hmmp//elma.exe"
[03:35] <snowblink> ogb: If you have things like ext3 as a module, yes.
[03:35] <thoreauputic> username: how well it works rather depends what you need to do ")
[03:36] <ogb> snowblink, I have not, all FS are static compiled into the kernel.
[03:36] <chapter3> hey all, where can i find the latest horay install cd?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> username: for the basics, it should be fine
[03:36] <Echylo> what is the shortcut to switch in workspaces?
[03:36] <username> I reckon basics will do me fine for now
[03:36] <Echylo> wasn't it ctrl + numberN
[03:36] <Echylo> ?
[03:36] <cheleb> chapter3: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[03:36] <chapter3> cheleb: ty
[03:37] <ogb> snowblink, but GRUB won't load my kernel, it stops after the  uncompressing of the kernel :(
[03:37] <vi11e> cheleb there's no folder hmmp, I Just added that as if I was thinking, sorry :) and... I added it without that and nothing happens :/
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ogb: ubuntu uses udev and hald and a few other things your kernel may lack
[03:38] <ogb> on gentoo I compiled my kernel everytime myself and it just worked
[03:38] <ogb> thoreauputic, what is hald?
[03:38] <snowblink> hal
[03:38] <cheleb> vi11e:  strange. this is what helped me out with cinema4d under wine.
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ogb: see above, and you would need to compile "the debian way" with kernel-package
[03:39] <krism> upgrading to 2.6.10 got my suspend-to-ram working :)
[03:39] <vi11e> but shouldn't I include the correct path... /drive_c/ and those
[03:39] <thoreauputic> well, not *need*, but it would be easier
[03:39] <ogb> thoreauputic, I've tried to compile the kernel "the debian way" with make-kpkg
[03:39] <thoreauputic> ogb: OK
[03:39] <ogb> no success
[03:39] <ogb> :(
[03:39] <krism> but, while suspended, my system clock goes crazy fast - e.g. in 10 minutes of suspended-ness, the clock goes forward 1.5 hours
[03:40] <krism> anybody ever hear of this before?
[03:40] <roka_> helllo
[03:40] <thoreauputic> ogb: why are you compiling? just for interest, or for some specific feature?
[03:40] <zenrox> ogb, got to add --initrd i think to it when you making kpakg
[03:40] <lzap> hello I need help
[03:40] <ogb> thoreauputic, dvb card
[03:40] <lzap> Hello, I have modified the Horay Live ISO by extracting it, adding some directories (/extra - with some documentation and other files) and recreated the iso
[03:40] <lzap> mkisofs -o ../isofile.iso 1 -allow-leading-dots -allow-multidot -iso-level 4 -J -R -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c +isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table .
[03:40] <lzap> When I burn it and run it, the message appears and I am not able to boot the live system.
[03:40] <roka_> who do i get mine PCI-ex grafic-card working on Warty amd 64 verison? Ive tried to compile Xorg6.8.1 but it keeps failing
[03:41] <cheleb> ville: no, because you start wine all paths are relative to your "fake windows" paths
[03:41] <ogb> zeedo, do I need --initrd?
[03:41] <vi11e> tell me what all commands I can use to read error messages: "tail /var/log/messages" , dmesg , ?
[03:41] <roka_> how*
[03:41] <vi11e> hmm ok
[03:41] <ogb> thoreauputic, I have to compile the kernel, that is the problem
[03:41] <zenrox> ogb go read up in the forums
[03:41] <ogb> i will do this :)
[03:42] <cheleb> ville: try the command without the quotes
[03:42] <zenrox> that will tell it to mk a initrd for grub
[03:42] <lzap> the message is  "The CD-ROM drive contains a non-Ubuntu CD"
[03:42] <zenrox> i had the same prob
[03:42] <lzap> what it means?
[03:42] <roka_> do someone know howto use pci-ex graficcards in Warty AMD64 version?
[03:42] <vi11e> alrighty, now it works, but I still got the same "elma.res missing" so it thought I wasn't in the actual directory
[03:42] <ogb> zenrox, ok, i will create an initrd
[03:42] <zenrox> ogb search for kernel compile
[03:43] <zenrox> ogb thats why the debian way does work just need to have it make a initrd too
[03:43] <ogb> ok, thx
[03:44] <lzap> what  "The CD-ROM drive contains a non-Ubuntu CD" means in the Horay Live CD please?
[03:44] <krism> hmm. adding 'hwclock --hctosys' fixed it.
[03:44] <vi11e> cheleb: is there a chance that I can make a launcher than runs a terminal command like it would run in terminal?
[03:44] <krism> (err, adding that to my suspend.sh script after system wake up fixed it)
[03:44] <Bandit> lzap means you need the hoary cd
[03:45] <cheleb> ville: what about this?  wine "c://Program Files/elma/elma.exe"
[03:45] <lzap> but why?
[03:45] <lzap> its the oficial live cd (beta version)
[03:45] <Bandit> maybe you burnt it wrong
[03:45] <Bandit> try again
[03:45] <Aquila> hi
[03:45] <lzap> slightly modified, I have just unpacked the iso, added a directory and recreated it back...
[03:45] <cheleb> vi11e: yes, as soon as you have found the right command you can create a desktop-launcher for it
[03:45] <Bandit> so its not official then
[03:46] <lzap> its not
[03:46] <lzap> official works fine
[03:46] <lzap> i have found this page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[03:46] <vi11e> same again, elma.res file is missing... and yes, I have found a terminal command
[03:47] <vi11e> cd /home/ville/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/elma;wine Elma12.exe
[03:47] <vi11e> that in quotes works
[03:47] <vi11e> 2 commands in 1
[03:48] <vi11e> with launcher it says : Details: Failed to execute child process "cd /home/ville/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/elma;wine Elma12.exe" (No such file or directory)
[03:48] <Aquila> how can i install my modem driver?
[03:49] <Aquila> :
[03:49] <vi11e> what does that mean, it couldn't execute the cd command or the 2nd command ?
[03:49] <dwa_> depends on the type of modem you have aquila
[03:49] <cheleb> ville: how about creating an bash-script with your commands and launch that with an launcher?
[03:49] <dwa_> i'm guessing a winmodem?
[03:49] <lzap> what command is Horay Live CD iso created?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Aquila: we need more info ;)
[03:49] <Aquila> it is a bt voyager USB modem
[03:50] <Aquila> lol
[03:50] <Aquila> bt voyager adsl usb modem
[03:50] <vi11e> cheleb: sounds like I could do it, but I am not familiar with bash scripts... if you want to help me (in priv window or here) :)
[03:50] <dwa_> aquila : step 1 - plug it in ;)
[03:50] <vi11e> cheleb: I know how to add alias to bash
[03:51] <vi11e> that's all
[03:51] <Aquila> lol
[03:51] <Aquila> it was in
[03:51] <cheleb> ville: pm me
[03:51] <ompaulAFK> lzap,  cdrecord dev=?,?,? -pad driveropts=burnfree hoary-live-i386.iso     :: you find the value of dev from 'cdrecord --scanbus'
[03:52] <Aquila> the drivers are for windows and mac
[03:52] <Aquila> i need new drivers
[03:52] <dwa_> i'm sorry aquila but i don't have any experience with usb adsl modems
[03:52] <dwa_> i have an ethernet modem
[03:52] <lzap> -pad?
[03:52] <ompaulAFK> lzap, as I wrote it, it will work
[03:52] <lzap> thank you! will test it, I will report
[03:54] <dwa_> aquila: maybe this helps? http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en
[03:54] <thoreauputic> lzap: if cdrecord -scanbus complains, try  cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[03:55] <lzap> but when I burn the official ISO it works fine
[03:56] <Matrix_Soul> hi
[03:56] <lzap> i meah how the iso is created, not burned... will try it tho
[03:56] <thoreauputic> lzap: ah, I see - you are remastering?
[03:57] <thoreauputic> lzap: if so, that's ouside my experience
[03:57] <thoreauputic> *outside
[03:57] <Matrix_Soul> how can I can change the gdm screen?? because since I upgraded to hoary, it displays a picture of debian instead of a picture of ubuntu
[03:57] <housetier> Matrix_Soul sudo gdm-setup might get you started
[03:57] <LinuxJones> Matrix_Soul, gdmsetup
[03:58] <lzap> yes... I have just extracted the iso and added one directory that have nothing to do with Ubuntu, just to have the CD be full... and it do not work: "The CD-ROM drive contains a non-Ubuntu CD"
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Matrix_Soul, housetier  gdmsetup I think
[03:58] <thoreauputic> all one word
[03:59] <Matrix_Soul> ok, thanks
[03:59] <sid77> ciao
[04:00] <thoreauputic> lzap: man mkisofs maybe?
[04:01] <lzap> I have created loads of modified Live CDs and it worked...
[04:01] <thoreauputic> lzap: someone with remastering experience may be able to help - I don't know, I'm afraid
[04:01] <kreiger> How do i download jre?
[04:02] <kreiger> i'm on the jre site, and i'm trying to follow the ubuntuguide.org, but i'm not sure what to download on the page
[04:02] <kreiger> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[04:02] <lzap> please someone with Array 4 Live CD mastering experience - I need an urgent help!
[04:03] <snowblink> kreiger: JDK for other platforms
[04:04] <kreiger> thanks snow
[04:06] <membreya> kreiger: use blackdown ;)
[04:06] <Bandit> kreiger i think you want jre for other platforms
[04:07] <snowblink> kreiger: oh sorry you wanted the JRE
[04:07] <kreiger> ....
[04:08] <Bandit> :)
[04:08] <snowblink> kreiger: the JDK should still still work, if you've downloaded it. :)
[04:08] <kreiger> how do i delete the jdk then?
[04:08] <kreiger> Well, yeah, but the ubuntuguide is specific
[04:08] <kreiger> alsoo, i'm trying to run azeureus
[04:08] <kreiger> ..
[04:08] <kreiger> or however you spell it
[04:09] <kreiger> how do i delete what i just unpacked in  the bin?
[04:10] <thoreauputic> kreiger: if you haven't installed yet, it should be sitting there in the directory I think
[04:10] <membreya> kreiger: azureus is easy..just got it running on my system :)
[04:10] <kreiger> Yeah, i'm following the guide
[04:10] <kreiger> anyway i unpacked it.
[04:10] <kreiger> sh jdk etc
[04:10] <lzap> please someone with Array 4 Live CD mastering experience - I need an urgent help!
[04:11] <jovian> im having issues with my screen resolution the auto detect didn't set up 1280x1024 so I edited the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and it still didn't pick it up. how can I add that resolution so that I can get out of the huge 1024x768
[04:11] <membreya> hmmm under ubuntu is there a way to limit the speed of certain ports? ie to throttle port 6881?
[04:11] <thoreauputic> lzap: why do you need the extra direstory? Is it important?
[04:11] <AndyR> can anyone explain how to spare a printer on hoary connected to printer port to another hoary computer?
[04:11] <snowblink> kreiger: the JRE should be in there
[04:11] <lzap> yes, I am preparing a CD cover for a magazine
[04:12] <AndyR> spare = share :)
[04:12] <kreiger> it wasn't, actually
[04:12] <kreiger> dun matter
[04:12] <snowblink> kreiger: no jre subdirectory?
[04:12] <kreiger> i'm good now
[04:12] <kreiger> i'm fine now, snowblink
[04:12] <kreiger> this is only a temp install anyway
[04:13] <kreiger> so i can figure out if i wanna keep ubuntu
[04:13] <kreiger> i think i do tho
[04:14] <kreiger> how do i delete a file in command line?
[04:15] <ups> kreiger: rm filename
[04:15] <thoreauputic> kreiger: rm <file>
[04:16] <kreiger> danke
[04:16] <ups> np :)
[04:17] <kreiger> brb
[04:17] <jovian> please anyone I can't find a howto or a faq on it either
[04:18] <snowblink> jovian: check your monitor frequencies
[04:18] <thoreauputic> jovian: the fact that you've edited the file means you will have to continue to do it manually: the usual way would have been sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:19] <thoreauputic> or xserver-xorg in hoary
[04:19] <thoreauputic> but that won't work for a file you've edited (debian respects your changes)
[04:20] <lzap> please someone with Array 4 Live CD mastering experience - I need an urgent help! (it seems Array 4 is checking CDROM label or something - cannot get my modification to boot)
[04:20] <jovian> its at 60Hz
[04:21] <jovian> noted thoreauputic and thanks for the input
[04:21] <crack> hello all
[04:23] <lzap> I am trying to set the CD label to "Ubuntu 5.04 i386 Bin-1"
[04:25] <thoreauputic> lzap: perhaps the CD checks its md5sum and finds it different - so refuses to cooperate (just a wild guess)
[04:26] <lzap> no distros do that...
[04:26] <thoreauputic> lzap: maybe search the CD for md5sum?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> lzap: OK you probably know better - just a suggestion
[04:26] <lzap> but I didnt changed anything, I have just added one directory
[04:27] <thoreauputic> that would change the md5sum, though wouldn't it?
[04:27] <lzap> no the installer is not able to check whole CD, that takes 10 minutes .... or more
[04:27] <crack> can someone tell me why wine wont open ventrilo?
[04:27] <crack> its so quick... i cant see everything
[04:28] <lzap> open console and see the error message
[04:28] <thoreauputic> lzap: md5 checks don't take ten minutes!
[04:28] <crack> you mean terminal?
[04:29] <kreiger> ok. why can't i play .avi and .mpg files?
[04:29] <lzap> yep
[04:29] <crack> i did
[04:29] <crack> i cant see anything?
[04:29] <lzap> thor: yes it does, try to check the WHOLE CD, I mean 700MB... 10 minutes...
[04:29] <crack> i also cant open wine
[04:29] <lzap> at least
[04:29] <crack> or
[04:29] <crack> i dont know exactly the command
[04:29] <lzap> please someone with Array 4 Live CD mastering experience - I need an urgent help! (it seems Array 4 is checking CDROM label or something - cannot get my modification to boot)
[04:30] <thoreauputic> I don't think repeating the same thing wil help somehow...
[04:32] <crack> hey thor!
[04:32] <crack> long time no see
[04:32] <Jelte> anyone know how i can work out what type of memory i have installed?  I did an  'lshw'  which shows me its DIM DRAM Synchronous, 256, but not what bus speed...
[04:32] <thoreauputic> hey crack :)
[04:33] <crack> thoreauputic, can you help me with a quick prob with wine?
[04:33] <kreiger> Anybody know why i wouldn't be able to view mpg or avi files?
[04:33] <kreiger> i got w32codecs
[04:33] <thoreauputic> crack: sorry I know nothing about wine  :(
[04:33] <crack> thoreauputic, thats ok thanks!!
[04:34] <crack> kreiger, what player are you using?
[04:34] <crack> mplayer?
[04:34] <crack> totem?
[04:34] <kreiger> totem
[04:35] <kreiger> i get an error
[04:35] <kreiger> one sec
[04:35] <kreiger> nvm. now it works
[04:35] <kreiger> huh
[04:35] <crack> hahaha
[04:35] <crack> hey where did u get the codec?
[04:35] <kreiger> apt-get install 232codecs
[04:35] <kreiger> w32codecs
[04:36] <crack> not finding them
[04:36] <crack> hmm
[04:36] <kreiger> add extra repositories
[04:36] <crack> i have all of them
[04:37] <Matrix_Soul> hi
[04:37] <kreiger> www.ubuntuguide.com
[04:37] <kreiger> or something
[04:37] <kreiger> well, it worked for me, man
[04:37] <crack> for some stupid reason, my keyboard w is a u
[04:37] <crack> wtf
[04:37] <Matrix_Soul> I cant open amule and when i try it from terminal it says:
[04:37] <Matrix_Soul> root@BLT:~ # amule
[04:37] <Matrix_Soul> amule: relocation error: amule: symbol _7wxPanel.sm_eventTable, version WXGTK_2.4 not defined in file libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0 with link time reference
[04:38] <crack> well, i dont get it
[04:38] <crack>  in terminal
[04:38] <crack> my w looks like a u
[04:38] <crack> but
[04:38] <crack> everywhere else
[04:39] <crack> its a w
[04:39] <Matrix_Soul> can anybody help me?
[04:40] <jovian> #slune
[04:40] <kreiger> sorry crack
[04:40] <kreiger> lol
[04:40] <thoreauputic> crack: is you terminal set for utf? There's an option for that in gnome-terminal (or whatever your default is)
[04:40] <crack> nah its ok
[04:40] <crack> i just went to root terminal and it is a w
[04:40] <crack> so
[04:40] <crack> in regular terminal, its a u
[04:40] <crack> rofl
[04:41] <LinuxJones> Matrix_Soul, have you checked google ?
[04:41] <crack> still looks like a u
[04:41] <crack> changed that thor
[04:42] <jovian> I would like to thank whoever suggested looking at the refresh rates. They were in range of my monitor but I rewset them to exactly what my monitor can do and it works so Thank you
[04:42] <msg43> how do I install the ubuntu source?
[04:42] <crack> kreiger, i still cant install the codecs... but again its probably that idont have the right repository
[04:43] <crack> oh well
[04:43] <crack> i will get it later
[04:43] <crack> way too much configuring to do besides that
[04:43] <cocol> h
[04:43] <crack> got some work to do
[04:44] <crack> see yall
[04:44] <kreiger> crack
[04:44] <kreiger> one sec
[04:44] <Bandit> msg43 you mean the iso
[04:44] <kreiger> here
[04:44] <thoreauputic> kreiger: he's left :)
[04:44] <cocol> crack http://ubuntuguide.or
[04:44] <kreiger> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:44] <msg43> Bandit: I have the iso burnt to cd but I need to get the source of the kernel to compile ndiswrapper
[04:44] <cocol> http://ubuntuguide.org
[04:45] <kreiger> Crack, click mine
[04:45] <kreiger> oh
[04:45] <kreiger> grrr
[04:46] <thoreauputic> Bandit: restricted formats are an issue, unfortunately
[04:46] <thoreauputic> not much can be done about that
[04:47] <Bandit> restricted? isnt what hes after for a wireless connection?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Bandit: soory I missed something (not on the ball today )
[04:48] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:49] <Sionide> damn my ubuntu cd coming yesterday
[04:50] <Sionide> i'm gonna do *no* homework today :P
[04:50] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[04:50] <da_bon_bon> my gnome-btdownload suddenly stopped working, any suggestions ?
[04:50] <da_bon_bon> anyone can help me with installin vmware 4.5.2 build 8848
[04:51] <ironwolf> I'm seeing cryptsetup device in /dev/mapper disappear when I reboot.  I'm following directions in the wiki.  Where do I look now?
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> Sionide: how would u know ?
[04:51] <Sionide> da_bon_bon, cos i'm gonna be mucking about with ubuntu all day instead of doing any work
[04:51] <Sionide> i'm too good at procrastinating
[04:51] <Sionide> i'll do some work when i've got it all set up on my laptop ;)
[04:52] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, you can try running /usr/bin/btdownload.gui and see what error comes up ?
[04:54] <msg43> how to do I upgrade to hoary
[04:55] <vi11e> Hey what is this: USERS folder in /home/myname/ and myname.ini inside.  <-- what file and why? can I delete it?
[04:56] <Sionide> if you're not sure, it's usually a good policy not to delete stuff
[04:56] <vi11e> yea , but I thought if someone knows here so I can delete it :S wasn't about to delete it if no one knows/tells :)
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> helo!
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> am i alive ?
[04:56] <Sionide> yes
[04:56] <Bandit> nope
[04:56] <Sionide> zido isn't though.
[04:56] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: what error ? about what ?
[04:57] <vi11e> Sionide: the file wasn't there until today so
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> Sionide: i meant how will u know u will get the cd tomo ?
[04:57] <Sionide> eh?
[04:57] <Sionide> damn my ubuntu cd coming yesterday  <--- yesterday, not tomorrow
[04:57] <Sionide> i got it yesterday in the post :)
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> ah, ok
[04:58] <membreya> how do you check if DMA is enabled? particularly on a DVD drive?
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: hello!
[04:58] <msg43> how do I install the kernel source or headers? I need them for ndiswrapper
[04:58] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: btdownload.gui is fine
[05:01] <Bandit> membreya what are you running your dvds through
[05:01] <Aquila> hello
[05:01] <Aquila> i need drivers for my usb modem?
[05:01] <membreya> Bandit: mplayer
[05:02] <Bandit> dont like mplayer but with xine you simply type xine-check and it tells you about dma
[05:04] <da_bon_bon> whats the comamnd line untar for .tar.gz ?
[05:04] <mjr> xzf
[05:04] <ups> da_bon_bon: tar zxf <filename>
[05:05] <da_bon_bon> ups: thanks :)
[05:05] <ups> da_bon_bon: np :)
[05:08] <Aquila> help?
[05:08] <Aquila> :)
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> tar: vmware-distrib/bin/vmware-uninstall.pl: Cannot change ownership to uid 201,  gid 201: Operation not permitted
[05:09] <vi11e> hahah, my wine programs goes totally freezed if I have azureus running
[05:09] <da_bon_bon> whats the meaning of this error ?
[05:09] <vi11e> da_bon_bon: maybe you don't have permission to change things you try change
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> vi11e: i am untarring a tarball of vmware as root.
[05:11] <vi11e> ye, donno then
[05:11] <da_bon_bon> :(
[05:11] <da_bon_bon> so, 60mb download wasted ?
[05:11] <vi11e> you tried to untar in console and x windos both
[05:11] <vi11e> gnomme
[05:11] <vi11e> hmm tito where you from?
[05:12] <kwis> is there any hot key to kill gnome display manager instead of restarting like ctrl-alt-bkspace?
[05:12] <vi11e> *.ad , never seen such ending :)
[05:12] <da_bon_bon> vi11e: yes..
[05:12] <vi11e> someone probably knows but is in idle at the moment, I suggest you repeat your question few times later
[05:12] <tito> spain
[05:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I've seen that with some programs - it wants to set the user: usually it will stilla work fine - have you tried?
[05:13] <vi11e> oh... what's that *.ad in your host
[05:13] <acidmaxd> i need an advice. we have a big LAN here and some servers with music/movies/etc... the problem is that at a given time too many users are trying to download files from one server or another, thus it is very slow (50-100 kb/s per user over 100 MBps network). the servers are accessible through FTP, HTTP and Samba.
[05:13] <tito> hi
[05:13] <tito> is andorra
[05:13] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: but it still doesnt untar certain required files :(
[05:13] <tito> betwen spain and france
[05:13] <Bandit> kwis do you mean like logout?
[05:13] <membreya> trying to enable DMA on my DVD drive and I'm getting an error message :(
[05:13] <membreya> /dev/hda:
[05:13] <membreya>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[05:13] <membreya>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[05:13] <membreya> anyone able to help ?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: try chown -R user:user for the lot
[05:14] <acidmaxd> i've tried to limit the bandwidth per user with cbq/htb, but then the speeds has become even slower
[05:14] <thoreauputic> to change the uid and gid
[05:14] <kwis> Bandit: my old monitor died and my new one doesnt support the refresh, so I need to get to the command line, since I have no display just an error on the monitor that it wont support the refresh rate
[05:14] <thoreauputic> the -R makes it recursive
[05:14] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: for the tarball ? and user:user or root:root ?
[05:14] <tito> ville can you help me formating a usb stick
[05:14] <Aquila> anyone know where i could get drivers for my usb modem?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: probably root:root
[05:14] <acidmaxd> i don't what to do: mod_throttle on all apache servers?
[05:15] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: but I don't know vmware
[05:15] <tito> in the fdisk /dev/sda1
[05:15] <Semt-X> Moin
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: thanks anyway, didnt work :(
[05:15] <tito> what is necessery to do?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: did you do it on the tarball or the unpacked directory?
[05:16] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: chown ? on the tarball
[05:16] <thoreauputic> try it on the directory
[05:16] <membreya> does anyone know why I can't enabled DMA?
[05:16] <klaym> hello! what should I write on the command thing in sessions startup menu, if I want a terminal-based application to run at startup? The application I want to be run at startup is Torsmo, so if I just write 'Torsmo' as command, it won't probably open
[05:16] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok.
[05:17] <thoreauputic> you might find some subdirs are the wrong uid:gid
[05:17] <membreya> klaym: it will open :)
[05:17] <da_bon_bon> anyone here installed vmware from tarball ?
[05:17] <klaym> membreya: o
[05:17] <klaym> *ok
[05:19] <sander__> Anyone having trouble with the latest OpenOffice.org on Hoary?
[05:20] <Bandit> sander__ what kind of trouble?
[05:20] <viper12> what type?  I just finished installing hoary to laptop.......can test.
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> OOo 2.0 , sander__ ?
[05:20] <vi11e> hey... how do I close this wine window that has fully freezed? I have tried to kill all wine processes but the window won't shut. the processes goes zombie. I also tried to end one gnome terminal-bash process but it doesn't close that wine window
[05:21] <membreya> gah
[05:21] <membreya> I just rebooted
[05:21] <jblack> ville: try xkill
[05:21] <membreya> and I still can't change the DMA
[05:21] <tito> root@ubuntu:/mnt/win2k # mount -a
[05:21] <tito> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[05:21] <tito>        or too many mounted file systems
[05:21] <tito>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[05:21] <tito>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[05:21] <sander__> Just the latest 1.1. I just moved over from Debian and whenever I try to open the docs I created before writer just shows a completely blank window.
[05:21] <vi11e> ohhhhhhh, nm... in system monitor, instead of end process I chose "kill process" and it killed.. wonder why it didn't kill it in terminal with killall that applet
[05:21] <viper12> hmm justa sec sander.
[05:22] <viper12> ms word doc?  xml? anything in particular?
[05:22] <tito> i try to format this device /dev/sda1
[05:22] <sander__> I copied them over from my Windows box that I stored my docs on while I upgraded my laptop so they might have been mangled by samba/nautilus.
[05:23] <fuflo> hey. is there rc.local on ubuntu?
[05:23] <sander__> These are all native OOo docs. They open fine on my Windows box.
[05:23] <viper12> hmm.......I just opened an old ms word doc fromy my ntfs part..............not a problem.
[05:23] <thoreauputic> fuflo: not really
[05:23] <fuflo> so..
[05:23] <thoreauputic> fuflo: nearest thing would be /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh I would say
[05:23] <fuflo> where can i put some commands to run when booting?
[05:23] <fuflo> hm
[05:23] <fuflo> ok.. gonna try..
[05:23] <thoreauputic> fuflo: see above
[05:24] <sander__> Hmmm, OK. Maybe something else happened to the docs in transit. thanks Bandit ad_bon_bon and viper12
[05:24] <viper12> np sander.........gl on that.
[05:25] <sander__> BTW is OOo 2.0 in the ubuntu repositories somewhere?
[05:25] <viper12> speakin' of OO........any idea when hoary gets the newer rev?
[05:25] <viper12> lol sander
[05:25] <sander__> Well why not. :)
[05:25] <viper12> ditto that sentiment........was just a day jaaa vooo moment.
[05:25] <viper12> :D
[05:26] <viper12> I'm pooped, and daytona 500 is coming up pretty soon, but damn I love this distro.
[05:26] <vi11e> hey does that bittornado-gui have a multiple torrents download inside one window?
[05:27] <HiddenWolf> ville: no
[05:27] <HiddenWolf> sander__: it's in hoary universe
[05:27] <vi11e> pff, so it's like the one thats integrated to gnome?
[05:27] <HiddenWolf> ville: use the terminal version of bittornado: it works fine.
[05:27] <viper12> azureus is still the way ta go, imho.
[05:27] <vi11e> what torrent-clients there is available in apt-get that has this "many torrents in one window" ?
[05:28] <vi11e> besides azureus
[05:28] <HiddenWolf> ville: btlaunchmanycurses in a terminal
[05:29] <sander__> HiddenWolf, thanks.
[05:29] <vi11e> hmm, any guied bt client with such support as azureus?
[05:29] <HiddenWolf> ville: no
[05:29] <HiddenWolf> sander__: it's buggy tho
[05:30] <viper12> wolf......what's buggy?
[05:30] <Echy|python> is there something with archive.ubuntu.com
[05:30] <Echy|python> having troubles with it
[05:30] <Echy|python> :s
[05:30] <Echy|python> seems that I can't connect
[05:30] <sander__> HiddenWolf, thanks for the warning. I think it can co-exist with 1.1 so I don't mind the bugs for now.
[05:30] <HiddenWolf> viper12: OOO2
[05:30] <viper12> ahh.......eyes crossed on posts there. lol. ty
[05:30] <HiddenWolf> ubuntu.com is suffering maintenance. it'll be down a short while
[05:30] <tito> who can i format a memory usb? with fdisk?
[05:30] <Echy|python> ow :)
[05:30] <viper12> and yep.  I was reading about v2 earlier...not quite ready for prime time yet.
[05:31] <Echy|python> thanks HiddenWolf
[05:31] <fuflo> hm.. how can i obtain kernel source? the latest one.. its needed by nvidia :/
[05:31] <sege> hmm, bluetooth-mouse in ubuntu, anyone been there done that?
[05:31] <sege> fuflo: kernel.org
[05:31] <fuflo> i cant find it on pkg list..
[05:31] <HiddenWolf> fuflo: you don't need it.
[05:31] <fuflo> hm..
[05:31] <fuflo> yes ido
[05:31] <fuflo> i need 6111 nvidia
[05:31] <fuflo> cause 6629 doesnt work for me
[05:32] <fuflo> works buggy*
[05:32] <fuflo> whateva..
[05:32] <membreya> does ANYONE know why I can't enable DMA on my DVD drive?
[05:32] <HiddenWolf> fuflo: force the version in apt-get
[05:32] <kwis> ok I got the monitor working, was in the faq :)
[05:32] <fuflo> hm..
[05:32] <fuflo> HiddenWolf: whats the flag? ;)
[05:32] <HiddenWolf> fuflo: I prefer synaptic.
[05:32] <fuflo> oh
[05:33] <Pelle> whats up with archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:33] <fuflo> eh.. HiddenWolf its disabled.. :/
[05:34] <mz2> how do i modify the apps assigned for different mime type
[05:34] <thoreauputic> Pelle: maintenance
[05:34] <mz2> the default apps
[05:34] <Pelle> thoreauputic, do you know when it will be back online?
[05:34] <Echy|python> pelle, within a short time
[05:34] <Echy|python> have patience
[05:34] <thoreauputic> Pelle: no - HiddenWolf might know
[05:34] <HiddenWolf> Pelle: should be shortly, they're just installing some extra hardware/bandwith
[05:35] <Pelle> HiddenWolf, they do this regulary?
[05:35] <HiddenWolf> Pelle: no, they needed to make infrastructure changes because the server park was very overloaded lately.
[05:35] <tux_> um...
[05:36] <tux_> whats the default pass for ipp printing on port 631 ??
[05:37] <LinuxJones> tux_, cat /etc/services | grep ipp
[05:38] <LinuxJones> tux_, that file lists all the ports that common services listen on
[05:38] <bolero> please tell me how to get into freenode channels!!!
[05:38] <tux_> i know that
[05:38] <Echy|python> bolero
[05:38] <Echy|python> you are in freenode channels
[05:38] <tux_> when i log in on 127.0.0.1:631 to config it, it requires a pass
[05:38] <Echy|python> this is a channel
[05:38] <thoreauputic> bolero: you're in one now :/
[05:38] <Echy|python> type /list for a list of channels
[05:38] <HiddenWolf> bolero you're on freenode, but do /j #channelname to join another one.
[05:39] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[05:39] <fesja> hi
[05:39] <bolero> ok, but i cannot connect to channel #Asterisk
[05:39] <Kal_Zakath> are archive servers down ?
[05:39] <HiddenWolf> Echy|python: dont be cruel, that list is massive. :-)
[05:39] <HiddenWolf> kal_Zakath: yes, maintenance
[05:39] <Kal_Zakath> fuck off
[05:39] <Pelle> HiddenWolf, sorry to bother you. about archive.ubuntu.com - are we talking minutes or hours here?
[05:39] <Echy|python> sorry hidden :p
[05:39] <Kal_Zakath> I need it now
[05:39] <Echy|python> but it's kewl
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Kal_Zakath: well, too bad
[05:39] <Kal_Zakath> is there any mirror I can use for hoary ?
[05:40] <Echy|python> Kal_Zakath, you may fuck off as much you won't, it won't get archives up
[05:40] <fesja> what program can i use to write on utf8 and see the text on iso ?
[05:40] <Echy|python> wil*
[05:40] <Echy|python> oh my
[05:40] <Echy|python> fucked up sentence
[05:40] <Echy|python> nvm
[05:40] <HiddenWolf> Pelle: considering it's not something smallish, nor childish hardware, prepare for hours. Likely shorter tho.
[05:40] <MSG43> were can I find a iso of ubuntu
[05:40] <Pelle> okay
[05:40] <MSG43> I mean ubuntu hoary I need a iso of that
[05:40] <viper12> aisle 4 MSG
[05:40] <viper12> ;)
[05:40] <Kal_Zakath> how long this maintenance will last ?
[05:40] <viper12> couldn't resist
[05:41] <Echy|python> Kal_Zakath, <HiddenWolf> Pelle: considering it's not something smallish, nor childish hardware, prepare for hours. Likely shorter tho.
[05:41] <pussfeller> how do you search the depostiroty
[05:41] <Xappe> wb tritium
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Kal_Zakath: can you read?
[05:41] <Kal_Zakath> didn't saw it
[05:41] <Kal_Zakath> well
[05:41] <HiddenWolf> MSG43: check the wiki for hoary / array 5 iso's
[05:41] <Kal_Zakath> I'm in the shit
[05:41] <erlend> ok i just upgraded to hoary. i have some small issues. first, i can't play any sound with oss. it just tells me that /dev/dsp is busy. however, i can use the esound daemon to play sound.
[05:41] <ttf> hi all, is archive.ubuntu.com usually pingable?
[05:41] <Kal_Zakath> i'm really deeply in the shit
[05:42] <HiddenWolf> ttf: it's down for maintenance
[05:42] <Kal_Zakath> where are mirrors ????
[05:42] <Kal_Zakath> isn't there any mirror ???
[05:42] <MSG43> yeah that why I need a mirror
[05:42] <tito> sorry can't consulte in web the documentation can help me?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Kal_Zakath: umm... moderate your attitude. please
[05:42] <ttf> HiddenWolf: k - thanks
[05:42] <tritium> Xappe, hey there
[05:42] <bolero> Kal_Zakath: '''
[05:43] <Kal_Zakath> thoreauputic: well, it's a real pb, this maintenance is really at the worst moment for me, I'm really upset
[05:43] <tritium> It's been a while
[05:43] <dc17> I have an apt-get question about multiverse and universe...
[05:43] <viper12> somebody oughta change the subject of the room to : ubuntu archive down fer fixin' or something. ;)
[05:43] <klaym> is there some custom panel system out there for ubuntu gnome?
[05:43] <Kal_Zakath> but there isn't any mirror ????????????
[05:43] <kwis> custom panel system? elaborate?
[05:43] <Kal_Zakath> how can this be possible ?
[05:43] <dc17> I want some software from universe, but I don't want dist-upgrade to use universe so ...
[05:43] <hawke> dc17: universe is not an upgrade
[05:44] <klaym> kwis: yea, something to the style of macosX
[05:44] <dc17> I've been disableing universe after installing the deb.  Is there a better way to do this?
[05:44] <hawke> dc17: It's additional stuff, you can just leave it on.
[05:44] <tux_> um.. whats the default pass for cups ipp on 127.0.0.1:631 ??
[05:44] <tritium> dc17, you don't have to dist-upgrade to use universe
[05:44] <hawke> dc17: There should never be stuff in both universe and main
[05:44] <thoreauputic> dc17: just leave it in
[05:44] <pussfeller> tux_: ussually its root
[05:44] <kwis> klaym: well Ive never used osx so I wouldnt know. But do you mean themes or what?
[05:44] <dc17> if universe is enabled, dist-upgrade won't add a ton of extra @#$%?
[05:45] <hawke> dc17: correct
[05:45] <tux_> pussfeller, tried that
[05:45] <MSG43> does anyone know when the ubuntu site will be back up
[05:45] <pussfeller> tux_: but I dont know how ubuntu handles that since it doesnt use root
[05:45] <Kal_Zakath> hey, can anybody telle me where I can find a mirror ???????
[05:45] <membreya> does ANYONE know why I can't enable DMA on my DVD drive?
[05:45] <viper12> I'm in the same boat as tux on that one.  nothing works.
[05:45] <HiddenWolf> MSG43: NO ETA on that, yet
[05:45] <hawke> dc17: dist-upgrade and upgrade both ony install new versions, they don't install extra stuff unless the new version depends on it
[05:45] <dc17> good.  I had a debian install that added kde once after messing with the sources.list and doing a dist upgrade :(
[05:45] <pussfeller> tux_: I think you need to use one of the guis for printer configuration
[05:45] <vi11e> anyone tried ABC on ubuntu
[05:45] <membreya> I'm getting major losses between audio and video playing dvd's on mplayer
[05:45] <SiRrUs> Kal_Zakath relax
[05:45] <Kal_Zakath> SiRrUs: nope, I need to install stuff, NOW
[05:46] <Kal_Zakath> it's really important
[05:46] <Sionide> hm im having trouble getting any kinda network connection now..
[05:46] <tux_> pussfeller, thats what i am usin
[05:46] <viper12> puss......that's all good until you want to administer a net printer and such.
[05:46] <vjaz> vi11e, what's ABC?
[05:46] <SiRrUs> Kal_Zakath yep so do I but guess your out of luck for awhile
[05:46] <tux_> it lets me on, but when i try to add printer etc,,.
[05:46] <hawke> dc17: You might be better off doing an upgrade rather than dist-upgrade
[05:46] <dc17> thanks for the info
[05:46] <tux_> its asks for login/pass
[05:46] <vi11e> bittorrent client
[05:46] <Kal_Zakath> SiRrUs: there isn't any mirror around ????
[05:46] <hawke> dc17: dist-upgrade will pull in new stuff if the new version requires it, upgrade will not.
[05:46] <dash> oh, ubuntu.com /is/ down. okay good to see it isn't my imagination :)
[05:46] <vi11e> it was the best one in windows, they have a linux version sources
[05:46] <SiRrUs> Kal_Zakath no
[05:46] <HiddenWolf> Kal_Zakath: there are mirrors around, just search
[05:46] <Kal_Zakath> I'm thinking about falling back to debian if this is the case
[05:47] <dash> Kal_Zakath: heh. did you try googling for "ubuntu mirror"? :)
[05:47] <SiRrUs> Kal_Zakath like i said take a pill and relax
[05:47] <Kal_Zakath> HiddenWolf: and you of course can't telle me where the are
[05:47] <LinuxJones> tux_, the web interface for cups is disabled
[05:47] <MSG43> any one have mirros to hoary ubuntu
[05:47] <vjaz> Damn it. Is ubuntu.com down?
[05:47] <membreya> vi11e: I use azureus :)
[05:47] <MSG43> vjaz: yes
[05:47] <dash> vjaz: apparently so
[05:47] <HiddenWolf> SiRrUS: there are mirrors, but the wiki is overloaded, so I can't get to it. :P
[05:47] <vjaz> damn it
[05:47] <pussfeller> anything that important would have sources around you  could manually compile in a pinch
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Kal_Zakath: stop being obnoxious, please
[05:47] <tux_> LinuxJones, what does that mean,
[05:47] <hawke> might be a good idea for someone to put the mirror in the subject(s)
[05:47] <vi11e> damnz, does anyone know any bt-client handling multiple torrents in the gui other than java-based azureus?
[05:47] <hawke> the -> a
[05:47] <HiddenWolf> Ubuntu.com is down for maintenance, will be back up shortly
[05:47] <Kal_Zakath> thoreauputic: what does it mean ?
[05:47] <apokryphos> vjaz: Didn't know that site existed. What's on there?
[05:47] <HiddenWolf> ville: none for gtk
[05:47] <tux_> LinuxJones, im using the web interface at the mo
[05:48] <dash> US mirror: http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/ubuntu/
[05:48] <vjaz> apokryphos, it's the official site
[05:48] <tritium> gnome-btdownload
[05:48] <HiddenWolf> vjaz: main archives, developer resources, etc.
[05:48] <fuflo> HiddenWolf: well i checked force version.. and.. isnt that 6111 for kernel 2.6.8.1?
[05:48] <tux_> LinuxJones, "Printer on localhost - CUPS v1.1.21.rc1"
[05:48] <apokryphos> vjaz: Erm, that's ubuntulinux.org
[05:48] <Kal_Zakath> dash, is it for hoary too ?
[05:48] <fuflo> i dont think itll work on 2.6.10
[05:48] <vjaz> apokryphos, just try it when it's up
[05:48] <HiddenWolf> fuflo: I don't know, I don't use nvidia drivers
[05:48] <vjaz> apokryphos, they're both official
[05:48] <fuflo> :/
[05:48] <apokryphos> vjaz: I guess they both forward you to the same site. Both down.
[05:48] <vjaz> yep
[05:49] <fuflo> then again.. how can i obtain current kernel sources? :)
[05:49] <tritium> vi11e, gnome-btdownload is in Hoary
[05:49] <socketbind> howdy, i need to convert a bunch of pngs to tga no matter there is no compression in it
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Kal_Zakath: dict says:  " Offensive; odious; hateful; "
[05:49] <tito> how can i move archives easily betwen win and ubuntu
[05:49] <dash> http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive&strip=1 <-- cache of mirror list
[05:49] <vi11e> hmm, the one that is implemented in hoary tritium ?
[05:49] <tritium> vi11e, yes, it is in Hoary.
[05:50] <tito> with a memorystick
[05:50] <vi11e> but how do I open many torrents in one window with it?
[05:50] <Kal_Zakath> thoreauputic: well I'm just really upset
[05:50] <socketbind> i looked for it, but haven't find anything useful, i would need some nice console based batch image converter
[05:50] <vi11e> I thought I tried it tritium , but it opened every thread in own window
[05:50] <tritium> vi11e, don't know.  Never tried.
[05:50] <dash> socketbind: imagemagick ought to do
[05:50] <dash> socketbind: with its 'convert' program
[05:51] <Bandit> Kal_Zakath yeah you said that allready
[05:51] <Fator_Dee> is there something wrong with the repositories?
[05:51] <MSG43> were do I download ubuntu hoary
[05:51] <socketbind> heh thanks dash, funny that i used imagemagick before and didn't remembered
[05:51] <HiddenWolf> Ubuntu.com is down for maintenance, will be back up shortly
[05:51] <MSG43> I didn't under stand the wiki
[05:51] <Bandit> MSG43 read the channel topic
[05:51] <Fator_Dee> HiddenWolf: thanks, my friend was quite worried, just installed ubuntu and not being able to install anything :-)
[05:52] <Bandit> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases   get array-5
[05:52] <tito> please how can i format usb stick with fdisk
[05:52] <MSG43> Bandit: that mirror is down
[05:52] <tritium> HiddenWolf, it's simply maintainence?  Are they changing to the new website design?
[05:52] <dc17>  tito: usb drives usually show up as /deb/sdaX
[05:52] <Bandit> MSG43 then I guess you will need to wait untill maintenance as been completed also
[05:53] <HiddenWolf> tritium: maintenance / upgrade
[05:53] <dc17> tito: do you really need to reformat it?
[05:53] <tito> i try fdisk /dev/sda1
[05:53] <tritium> HiddenWolf, thanks.
[05:53] <viper12> vi11e     check this site:    http://www.tim-project.org/clients.php regarding bittorrent clients
[05:53] <MSG43> Bandit: is possble to get the source easily for ubuntu warthog?
[05:53] <zul> tito: fdisk /dev/sda
[05:53] <tito> yes because the partition is created for win
[05:53] <tritium> Xappe, what's new?
[05:53] <dc17> tito: linux can read windows paritions fine
[05:54] <GIMP666> ok i seriously need help, i get confused with the Terminal codes
[05:54] <GIMP666> how do you install RPMs?
[05:54] <HiddenWolf> dc17, writing on ntfs sucks tho
[05:54] <tito> and the archives?
[05:54] <vi11e> viper, maybe a typo in the address? doesn't find the host
[05:54] <vi11e> viper12:
[05:54] <thoreauputic> GIMP666: ubuntu uses debs, not RPM
[05:54] <cardador> GIMP666: normally you want debs, not rpm, altough its possible to install them
[05:54] <viper12> hang on.
[05:54] <Sionide> i cant get ubuntu to like my d-link dwl-660 wireless card.. :s anyone gimme a hand?
[05:54] <dc17> tito: yes.  I'm assuming it's fat16 ro fat32 on the usb memory stick
[05:55] <tito> in the menu who format...
[05:55] <Sionide> dan_ this is what i meant about not doing any work :P
[05:55] <GIMP666> i know ubuntu doesn't normally use rpms, just some programs only have rpms, i can find
[05:55] <viper12> http://www.tim-project.org/clients.php
[05:55] <kwis> dash: thanks for the mirror list :)
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> At 4pm GMT today the *.ubuntu.com machines will be going down for a
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> couple of hours for some essential maintenance of our Internet
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> connection. This will affect: archive.ubuntu.com, www.ubuntu.com,
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> bugzilla.ubuntu.com, upload.ubuntu.com etc.
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> The work is intended to both upgrade and improve the redundancy of our
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> Internet link to hopefully reduce the number and/or frequency of
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> outages like this in the future. Apologies for any inconvenience.
[05:55] <thoreauputic> GIMP666: install alien
[05:55] <GIMP666> aight
[05:55] <dc17> HiddenWolf: you write nfts in linux?  Yikes, I use it read only ;)
[05:55] <thoreauputic> GIMP666: sometimes works fine:  alien <nameof rpm>
[05:55] <tito> yes the memory is formated in win
[05:55] <membreya> whats SSDP? Also I received an auth request from an external IP on port 113? :\
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> dc17: I ditched my last windows partition beginning of this year.
[05:56] <GIMP666> thoreauputic, thanks
[05:56] <pussfeller> whats the name of the package that has gcc and such for compiling
[05:56] <dc17> Sionide: do you know what chipset is in the card?
[05:56] <thoreauputic> GIMP666: but if you don't have the dependencies, it won't work
[05:56] <GIMP666> it worked
[05:56] <thoreauputic> GIMP666: ah - good :)
[05:56] <GIMP666> :D
[05:57] <MSG43> hiddenWolf: so the site still down or should it be up?
[05:57] <viper12> okay that's frickin' wierd..........try this v1.........googl these two words:  bittorrent linux.
[05:57] <Sionide> dc17, where would i be able to find that info out? (eg. what type of thing am i looking for?)
[05:57] <viper12> should be the second link on the page.
[05:57] <membreya> can anyone tell me what SSDP is ? apart from Super Secret Debian Project...why is firestarter blocking it ?....the source is my own IP
[05:57] <Seiken`> anyone else having problems connecting to ubuntulinux.org?
[05:57] <HiddenWolf> MGS43: will be down for a few hours
[05:57] <HiddenWolf> Seiken' Down for maintenance
[05:57] <dc17> Sionide: I think lspci should list the card
[05:57] <viper12> damn we need a subject change here. lol
[05:57] <Seiken`> ah, ok
[05:58] <dc17> Sionide: if the wiki wasn't down, I'd look there first
[05:58] <Seiken`> anywhere else I can download warty?
[05:58] <dc17> Sionide: let me check google.
[05:58] <Sionide> am looking too
[05:58] <vi11e> ahh viper12 it was tlm-project you had tim-project
[05:58] <klaym> $HOME/.folder  <- does this mean this:  /home/user/.folder
[05:58] <Xappe> tritium, well, not much. still fighting with polypaudio...
[05:58] <Sionide> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=d-link+air+dwl-660+linux&btnG=Search
[05:58] <thoreauputic> klaym: yes
[05:58] <viper12> oh good gawd.  lol.........did I mention tired?  heh heh.
[05:58] <klaym> ok thx
[05:58] <giard> anyone having trouble with archive.ubuntu.com or is it just me?
[05:59] <viper12> down.
[05:59] <membreya> giard: it's down
[05:59] <Kal_Zakath> kewl, I found a fast working complete mirror
[05:59] <bluefoxicy> apt is parallel now?
[05:59] <bluefoxicy> 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138)]  [Connecting to people.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.132)] 
[05:59] <dash> bluefoxicy: it's pretty much always been parallel when pulling from different archives
[05:59] <bluefoxicy> o.o
[05:59] <Kal_Zakath> bluefoxicy: never noticed that ?
[05:59] <bluefoxicy> no
[05:59] <tritium> Xappe, me too...I'm not even bothering with it for now.
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> normally it downloads so fast
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> i guess the internet is down today
[06:00] <GIMP666> i'm having trouble making my printer print. It auto detected it, and i have it set up, but it doesn't wat to [print
[06:00] <tritium> bluefoxicy, ubuntu.com is down for maintenence
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  ah
[06:00] <HiddenWolf> tritium: that's my line! :P
[06:00] <membreya> what the ....firestarter is reporting connections from my network that don't exist >:\
[06:00] <Xappe> tritium, no, feels like it's not worth the effort. thin i'll buy a cheap sound card capable of hardware mixing instead
[06:00] <viper12> vi11.........I didn't realize this, but it looks like ABC is a good client.  python based.
[06:01] <tritium> HiddenWolf, heh, but I see you're busy trying to get the topic changed :)
[06:01] <bluefoxicy> Xappe:  I recommend an audigy
[06:01] <GIMP666> NVM on my q
[06:01] <bluefoxicy> Xappe: $70 max
[06:01] <tritium> Xappe, I'm building a mythtv box this week.
[06:01] <bluefoxicy> (if only we had some good EAX utils and soundfont loading stuff)
[06:01] <funto> hello
[06:01] <HiddenWolf> tritium: exactly why I hate to hang out in channels where I don't have ops. :-P
[06:02] <tux_> are the ubuntu servers down
[06:02] <tux_> they are very slow ?
[06:02] <DeanG> Is it possible to associate Window/Command key associations in ubuntu?
[06:02] <viper12> down tux
[06:02] <tritium> HiddenWolf, yeah.
[06:02] <tux_> :(
[06:02] <membreya> tux_:  down
[06:02] <tritium> tux_, yes, maintenence
[06:02] <HiddenWolf> At 4pm GMT today the *.ubuntu.com machines will be going down for a
[06:02] <HiddenWolf> couple of hours for some essential maintenance of our Internet
[06:02] <HiddenWolf> connection. This will affect: archive.ubuntu.com, www.ubuntu.com,
[06:02] <HiddenWolf> bugzilla.ubuntu.com, upload.ubuntu.com etc.
[06:02] <HiddenWolf> The work is intended to both upgrade and improve the redundancy of our
[06:02] <HiddenWolf> Internet link to hopefully reduce the number and/or frequency of
[06:02] <Xappe> bluefoxicy, well, that's a bit too much for me...thin i'll go for a sb live for now, so I can afford a 300 GB hdd as well
[06:02] <GIMP666> tux_, yes down
[06:02] <HiddenWolf> outages like this in the future. Apologies for any inconvenience.
[06:02] <membreya> please daniels ...change the darned topic!
[06:02] <Xappe> *think
[06:02] <bluefoxicy> Xappe:  sure, the sb pci512 is nice value for being a stripped emu10k1
[06:03] <dc17> Sionide: it looks like that's a lucent orinico chipset
[06:03] <Xappe> bluefoxicy, as long as I get rid of the freakin' soundservers ;)
[06:03] <Sionide> ah i saw something about the driver for that
[06:03] <selinium_> hi guys, Could someone check the file servers, ie hit reload on synaptic manager. It doesn't seem be working on my machine. Cheers
[06:04] <dholbach> selinium_, the servers are down for maintenance
[06:04] <Sionide> http://linux_wless.passys.nl/
[06:04] <Sionide> on there...
[06:04] <Aquila> anyone know where i could get drivers for my usb modem?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: if daniels is at home. I expect he's sleeping (4 AM here)
[06:04] <Seiken`> anyone know a mirror off-hand where I can get a warty iso?
[06:04] <dc17> Sionide: I think that might be the prism driver
[06:04] <Sionide> that page refers you to here:
[06:04] <Sionide> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Orinoco.html
[06:04] <membreya> thoreauputic: good to see another aussie on here :P
[06:04] <Xappe> tritium, mythtv box?
[06:05] <dc17> Sionide: reading that ow
[06:05] <tritium> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16218
[06:05] <dc17> er now
[06:05] <thoreauputic> membreya: :)
[06:05] <Sionide> shall i download it?
[06:05] <tritium> Xappe, PVR
[06:05] <membreya> ...but dialup ?
[06:05] <membreya> ewww
[06:05] <viper12> just did a search of 'torrent' and warty on google..............there's a bazillion trackers out there. ;)
[06:05] <Xappe> tritium, ah, so you'll have a standalone tuner box?
[06:05] <selinium_> dholbach: Cheers! is there a page to check the stautus on ubuntu?
[06:05] <tritium> Xappe, yes.  It should be fun
 I just heard that canada is going to be sending upto 30 troops into iraq to train iraq forces.  We can fit them all in the same herc
 Psyda:  how long before they send the other half of their army too?  :)
[06:05] <GIMP666> who uses warty still?
[06:06] <dholbach> selinium_, no
[06:06] <Seiken`> viperl2: haha, ok.. I tried, but guess my search terms were less than adequate
[06:06] <thoreauputic> GIMP666: I do :)
[06:06] <bluefoxicy> synaptic should offer to switch to Hoary when Hoary is stable
[06:06] <GIMP666> i use hoary
[06:06] <dc17> Sionide: I think what you need will be included with Ubuntu
[06:06] <viper12> gimp...........I do.  hoary only lives on a test box.
[06:06] <Xappe> tritium, mhm
[06:06] <Sionide> alright, sounds good
[06:06] <selinium_> dholbach: cheers, www.ubuntu.com is down aswell, i think.
[06:06] <dc17> Sionide: are you running warty or hoary
[06:06] <Sionide> warty
[06:06] <dholbach> selinium_, *.ubuntu.com is down for maintenance
[06:06] <nanophase> hi
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> http://www.math.hmc.edu/calculus/tutorials/linearsystems/  o_O
[06:07] <GIMP666> viper12, i live on the danger side, everything on my xp is beta/alpha and unstable same with most things i have on unbuntu
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> I don't get it.
[06:07] <membreya> thoreauputic: ...you just dont want to have to download anything :P
[06:07] <dc17> Sionide: when you run lspci do you see anything about your card?
[06:07] <selinium_> dholbach: cheers for your help
[06:07] <viper12> actually, I'm jonzing for a couple of features that are in hoary........but that's just the techn-weeny in me.........warty is smooth as silk....and on the main box its solid. (more important than beta-jazz, imho.)
[06:07] <dholbach> selinium_, de rien
[06:07] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - when I installed I downloaded a gig in a few days on dialup ;)
[06:08] <thoreauputic> membreya: once is enough
[06:08] <Sionide> ok lets start from the beginning, i plug it in and get a power light on it, thats a good sign
[06:08] <fsc> has anybody played around with the Xgl server?
[06:08] <Sionide> run lspci
[06:08] <HiddenWolf> thoreauputic: I download gigs every day ;)
[06:08] <viper12> I hear you gimp........but I play with the hoary stuff on a box that can be trashed........had xand-reck on it yesterday...heh heh
[06:08] <selinium_> Can anybody help me install a file from a download? I am trying to install nestra. Have downloaded the tarball... No what do i do?
[06:09] <GIMP666> lol
[06:09] <thoreauputic> HiddenWolf: well, on 56k that would be difficult I think :)
[06:09] <Sionide> hm dont see anything in there about d-link
[06:09] <GIMP666> Sionide, what bout d-link?
[06:09] <dc17> Sionide: ok how about lucent, orinoco, wavelan etc
[06:09] <W3BMAST3R101> is it just me or are some of the ubuntu servers down?
[06:09] <krism> .ignore *!*@*.aol.com
[06:09] <W3BMAST3R101> for package updating
[06:09] <viper12> down w3b............maintenance.
[06:09] <krism> dammnit
[06:09] <membreya> W3BMAST3R101:  down
[06:09] <zul> there down
[06:09] <W3BMAST3R101> ok i have been troubleshooting for the past 30 min
[06:09] <Sionide> GIMP666, just trying to get my d-link dwl-660 working on ubuntu
[06:10] <W3BMAST3R101> that was my last conclusion :-P
[06:10] <GIMP666> mine works fine
[06:10] <membreya> zul: ...the internet is no excuse for laziness...it would be "they're down" gah ..bad english
[06:10] <Sionide> how did you see it up?
[06:10] <GIMP666> Sionide, I use dwl-660 as well and nothings wrong
[06:10] <fsc> viper12, my reason to going to hoary is because a lot of stuff uses wxWidgets and it looks like ass without the gtk2.x bindings
[06:10] <Sionide> s/see/set
[06:10] <GIMP666> i didn't have to configure or snything
[06:10] <GIMP666> anything*
[06:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - a fellow pedant, I see ;)
[06:10] <Sionide> hm
[06:10] <Sionide> :s
[06:10] <Sionide> dc17 not sure
[06:11] <membreya> pedantacism is not a flaw...facetiousness maybe :P
[06:11] <GIMP666> but I am putting in a new d-link in, di-604. dwl-660 sucks for gaming
[06:11] <zul> membreya: whatever
[06:11] <viper12> fsc...nods.  I write and do some video stuff with it...........surf, normal shiz........so for me warty is 'good' enough on the 'its gotta NOT crash" side. ;)
[06:11] <Sionide> well
[06:11] <thoreauputic> facetious pedantry perhaps?
[06:11] <Sionide> if i go to network config and set up a new connection
[06:11] <Sionide> choose wireless, go through that
[06:11] <W3BMAST3R101> when will the server be back up? or does it say on the main site?
[06:12] <viper12> a few hours w3b.
[06:12] <dc17> Sionide: yes
[06:12] <membreya> hehe thoreauputic :)
[06:12] <Sionide> if i activate it, it either crashes the network-admin prog or just de-activates it
[06:12] <selinium_> W3BMAST3R101: the main site is down aswell!
[06:12] <dc17> Sionide: do you see the wireless card there?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: I don't believe the word pedantacism exists - corect me if I'm wrong ;)
[06:12] <thoreauputic> *correct
[06:12] <membreya> if I want a program to terminate at a set time should I just cron it?
[06:13] <membreya> thoreauputic: shhhhh ....my secret :P
[06:13] <GIMP666> I have had ubuntu for 2 months, and I'm still newbie at it
[06:13] <membreya> GIMP666: as long as you can open IRC you're set :)
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> I'd say you are always a newbie with linux, too much to learn it all :-|
[06:13] <Sionide> if i plug in the dwl-660 and reboot, will it recognise it on boot up?
[06:13] <viper12> the cool thing about linux and distros...........due to the constant influx of new stuff.........we're ALL noobs about one part or another of it.  heh eh
[06:13] <GIMP666> membreya, yea i know :P
[06:13] <Sionide> membreya, aye that the truth :P
[06:14] <dc17> Sionide: not sure
[06:14] <selinium_> thoreauputic && membreya: pedantisn is the correct word!
[06:14] <Sionide> aint*
[06:14] <thoreauputic> Sionide: one way to find out...
[06:14] <Sionide> dc17, is it worth a try?
[06:14] <Sionide> heh
[06:14] <Sionide> yeah
[06:14] <GIMP666> membreya, but not everybody knows stuff, like how to install quicktime4lniux
[06:14] <selinium_> thoreauputic && membreya: pedantism
[06:14] <pao> any problem with archive.ubuntu.com?
[06:14] <fsc> viper12, i haven't had any crashes yet, and the upgrade went a lot smoother than i expected.  in fact, if i would have just upgraded my kernel at the same time as the initial upgrade to hoary i even wouldn't have had my initial problems with ndiswrapper...now i'm ready for major crashes if I compile this xgl server
[06:14] <dc17> Sionide: when I installed hoary, my wireless nic didn't show up until I installed the "non-free" kernel drivers
[06:14] <thoreauputic> selinium_: pedantry I think you'll find
[06:14] <membreya> selinium_: I bow before you :D
[06:14] <Sionide> non-free?
[06:14] <dc17> Sionide: I mean "restricted" kernel drivers
[06:14] <membreya> thoreauputic: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pedantism
[06:15] <selinium_> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Pedantism
[06:15] <membreya> :P
[06:15] <Sionide> if the worst comes to the worst i can just use the wired connection, it's not a huge problem..
[06:15] <viper12> fsc.......I agree to a point.........I'm running the latest kernel and hoary array5 on the test box......but....when it comes to the writing........a 300 page novel does NOT go on anything labelled "unstable". ;)
[06:15] <Sionide> wireless would be nice though
[06:15] <pao> hi all can you connect to archive.ubuntu.com?
[06:15] <viper12> pao.....down...maint.
[06:15] <membreya> pao: dowm
[06:15] <viper12> lol
[06:15] <pao> thanks
[06:15] <selinium_> membreya:  you got there before me!
[06:15] <viper12> np
[06:15] <apokryphos> array 5?
[06:15] <apokryphos> Didn't know that was out.
[06:15] <thoreauputic> dict pedantry
[06:16] <thoreauputic> pedantry
[06:16] <thoreauputic>        n : a ostentatious and inappropriate display of learning
[06:16] <thoreauputic> both may be correst
[06:16] <thoreauputic> correct
[06:16] <membreya> Pedantism
[06:16] <membreya> \Ped"ant*ism\, n. The office, disposition, or act of a pedant; pedantry
[06:16] <Sionide> on 1:TEXT:*ubuntu.com*: say the servers are down j00 foo'
[06:16] <tux_> has anyone configured an epson stylus c-62 printer ?
[06:16] <viper12> lmao with this pedantic talk. ;)
[06:16] <selinium_> Can anyone help me install from a tarball? Always used synaptic before...
[06:16] <dc17> Sionide: I'm sure you can get the wireless to work.  Unfortunately the wiki is down for maintenance so I can't look up how to do this.
[06:16] <thoreauputic> membreya: both are acceptable, evidently :)
[06:17] <membreya> selinium_: tar xzf tarball.gz
[06:17] <membreya> ./configure
[06:17] <membreya> sudo make
[06:17] <Sionide> dont worry dc17, im just trying rebooting with it plugged in and seeing what happens, if no luck - i'll wait till the wiki comes back up
[06:17] <membreya> sudo make install
[06:17] <apokryphos> membreya: the sudo in "sudo make" isn't necessary
[06:17] <fsc> viper12, i guess the real issues are how stable in decreasing order are the kernel, X, gtk+, and then individual apps. if the apps you use to write your novel are bleeding edge then yeah, you should be worried
[06:18] <thoreauputic> actually only `make install` requires sudo...
[06:18] <apokryphos> yup
[06:18] <selinium_> membreya: I have used linux for 5 days now! I will give it a go!
[06:18] <membreya> apokryphos: ...again a force of habit :P
[06:18] <thoreauputic> bad habit! ;)
[06:18] <membreya> selinium_: ...14 days :P
[06:18] <dc17> Sionide: OK. Sorry I couldn't be more help.  I've been working with madwifi based cards lately.
[06:18] <thoreauputic> hehe
[06:18] <Sionide> dc17, dont worry, glad you even tried to help :)
[06:18] <viper12> yep........but after being in the tech biz for 18+ years......its more habit that the box for everyday use isn't beta-bomb material....although in the linux world that's saying a lot more than in MS-land.
[06:18] <apokryphos> Not so much of a problem on Ubuntu, but on other distros where you do su -c instead, I think it would cause problems.
[06:19] <Sionide> ubuntu doesnt like rebooting either it seems
[06:19] <Sionide> it closes down
[06:19] <Sionide> but doesnt power back up again
[06:19] <selinium_> membreya: I am obviously not a quick on the uptake as yourself [lays prostrate on floor]  :)
[06:19] <Sionide> (the power light stays on though)
[06:19] <membreya> thoreauputic: would you believe...using super user excessively is not a bad thing :P
[06:19] <Sionide> i have to do it manually
[06:19] <dc17> Sionide: this is probably an apm vs acpi thing
[06:19] <membreya> selinium_: i'm just being obsessive about it ..just ask my girlfriend :P
[06:19] <martinald> hi ubuntu.com is down
[06:19] <viper12> yep
[06:19] <martinald> just joking =] 
[06:19] <viper12> main
[06:20] <thoreauputic> membreya: if you believe that, Sir, you'll believe anything  *grin*
[06:20] <dc17> Sionide: the wiki has lots of suggestions for particular laptops
[06:20] <apokryphos> martinald: It is.
[06:20] <martinald> i thought i'd be a concerned person
[06:20] <dc17> Sionide: I switched to hoary because it has better powermanagement for my thinkpad
[06:20] <selinium_> membreya: i too have been preaching the wonders of ubuntu, i wish i had discovered linux 5 years ago!
[06:20] <Sionide> hummm
[06:20] <Sionide> just an idea
[06:20] <membreya> thoreauputic: up until ubuntu I was an avid and zealous M$ supporter ....of course I will believe anything
[06:20] <Sionide> i have mac filtering on my wireless router
[06:20] <Sionide> but it's the mac address of the actual device isn't it
[06:21] <martinald> mac filtering is so useless
[06:21] <Sionide> eg. it won't have changed from my windows set up ?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah - a convert then? zealous?
[06:21] <herzi> martinald: it's more usable than WAP
[06:21] <herzi> WEP
[06:21] <viper12> I'm still an M$ supporter........as a tech.........as long as m$ stuff is out there..........I've got income. ;) hee hee
[06:21] <martinald> lololol
[06:21] <martinald> sorry
[06:21] <Sionide> strange
[06:21] <martinald> but the MAC addresses travel in plaintext
[06:21] <membreya> selinium_: I used FreeBSD 5 years ago as a junior network admin...but after 5 years I have forgetten everything except ls
[06:21] <e-Jah> lut/hi
[06:21] <martinald> so it takes about 3 seconds to find the mac address and clone it
[06:21] <martinald> vs 24 hours of packetsniffing for WEP
[06:21] <Sionide> martinald, i dont need much security, i doubt anyone around here is gonna war drive me...
[06:21] <herzi> WEP is plain xor, just listen and wait for a http header to come...
[06:22] <martinald> exactly, neither do i, so i dont bother with wireless security
[06:22] <membreya> martinald: WEP is easy to break ...WPA is da bomb
[06:22] <martinald> no it's not
[06:22] <martinald> WPA is cracked aswell
[06:22] <herzi> membreya: link?
[06:22] <membreya> herzi: link for what? :P
[06:22] <Sionide> mac filtering is enough to stop my neighbours pc keep on trying to pc to my router.. heh
[06:22] <tux_> is there a gimp-print-cups for ubuntu ?
[06:22] <herzi> a link about wpa
[06:22] <martinald> sionide: why don't you just let them?
[06:22] <martinald> aks them to pay half of your internet bill
[06:22] <tux_> doesnt seem to be in synaptic, maybe its named differently ?
[06:22] <selinium_> membreya: i used to use an old language called MVS on mainframes.... My brain still hurts!
[06:23] <Sionide> they have their own
[06:23] <Sionide> they're just idiots
[06:23] <thoreauputic> tux_: try apt-cache search gimp-print
[06:23] <Sionide> in the end i switched channels
[06:23] <Sionide> i run on channel 1 now, they're on 11
[06:23] <Sionide> solved everyones problems
[06:23] <membreya> thoreauputic: sorry for the delay zealous Pronunciation Key  (zls)
[06:23] <membreya> adj.
[06:23] <membreya>     Filled with or motivated by zeal; fervent.
[06:23] <Sionide> dc17, when i tried it just then i did see the wireless device as eth1 so thats a good thing...
[06:23] <Sionide> just when i try and activate it
[06:23] <Sionide> it doesn't wanna go
[06:24] <dc17> Sionide: be patient, sometimes the gui hangs in warty
[06:24] <thoreauputic> yes, I was enquiring about your new-found zeal for linux ;)
[06:24] <dc17> Sionide: or try sudo ifup eth1
[06:24] <membreya> Sionide: what does ifconfig say?
[06:25] <membreya> it _should_ be wlan0 :\
[06:25] <Sionide> d'oh, i just enabled the wire connection
[06:25] <Sionide> hang on
[06:25] <thoreauputic> tux_: cupsys-driver-gimpprint  perhaps
[06:25] <tux_> heehee have it ready
[06:25] <tux_> thx
[06:25] <thoreauputic> tux_: cool
[06:25] <tux_> servers are down, just my luck :P
[06:25] <thoreauputic> tux_: when in doubt, apt-cache search
[06:25] <membreya> thoreauputic: I have everything working under linux, bittorrents, dvd, tv in, tv out
[06:25] <tux_> aye
[06:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: impressive :)
[06:26] <membreya> I just have to learn to transcode divx to mpeg to write to DVDs and I'm set
[06:26] <tritium> membreya, are you using mythtv by chance?
[06:26] <membreya> tritium: tvtime for my tv-in :)
[06:26] <tritium> ah, okay
[06:26] <Sionide> dc17, what did that do? it says now "Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1"
[06:27] <membreya> thoreauputic: not impressive, just stopped being stupid and researched things..plus I'm pretty lucky that most of my hardware works :)
[06:27] <selinium_> membreya: did the tar xyf thing but the ./configure command errored:bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[06:27] <tito> help me with fdisk
[06:27] <tito> please
[06:27] <selinium_> mebreya: what did i do wrong?
[06:27] <membreya> selinium_:  then that means there is no configure file
[06:27] <ompaulAFK> tito, what do you want to do?
[06:27] <membreya> tito: whats up?
[06:27] <tito> fdisk /dev/sda1
[06:28] <membreya> still trying the USB disk tito ?
[06:28] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, Hello
[06:28] <tito> jei yes
[06:28] <dc17> Sionide: that means eth1 isn't in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:28] <tito> "con un par de huebos"
[06:28] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Was bugging me for some time, but eventually sorted the problem, so no worries. ;)
[06:29] <Sionide> ok ok if i do "ifconfig eth1"
[06:29] <Sionide> it comes up with the device
[06:29] <Sionide> the right mac addy and everything
[06:30] <tito> in the fdisk i need to create a filesystem y need to move archives win>ubuntu
[06:30] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Though, out of interest. Say if another user on my comp were to use a BT, would they have problems, or what? (considering that I have the port forwarded to me)
[06:30] <membreya> wb thoreauputic :)
[06:30] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:30] <thoreauputic> caffeine beckoned...
[06:31] <dc17> tito: if you fdisk the usb you might not be able to read in windows
[06:31] <tito> and the problem is in the mount
[06:31] <membreya> apokryphos: if you have port forwarding set to your IP then there will be no problems with using BT
[06:31] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Whoops; *another user on the network
[06:31] <dc17> tito: get the drive to work in windows and it should work fine in ubuntu
[06:31] <ompaul> tito have you data on it from windows?
[06:31] <dc17> Sionide: so it shows up but doesn't work?
[06:31] <membreya> apokryphos: ...that becomes a problem, you will need to set a different port range on their BT client and create a new rule on your router
[06:31] <WillCooke> apokryphos77, You'd need to configure the BT client on the other machine to use a different port, and then forward that port to the IP address of the other machine.  Another user on your computer would be fine
[06:31] <Sionide> dc17, i reckon so yeah
[06:31] <dc17> Sionide: I think someone said that it was supposed to be wlan0 or something
[06:32] <tito> i format in windows to NTFS
[06:32] <membreya> WildRabbit: get your own answers :P
[06:32] <dc17> Sionide: so I think it might be detected wrong
[06:32] <membreya> WillCooke: even!
[06:32] <membreya> grrrr
[06:32] <estebandido> morning
[06:32] <membreya> damn lazy TAB
[06:32] <Sionide> dc17 yeah membreya did but it comes up on eth1
[06:32] <estebandido> or afternoon, as the case may be
[06:32] <tito> with command convert i: /FS:NTFS
[06:32] <tuxadermist> Is there something wrong with the Repositories ?  Can't seem to connect
[06:32] <apokryphos77> WillCooke: Right. Thanks.
[06:32] <Sionide> and i can choose it, as a wireless device when setting up a network connection
[06:32] <apokryphos77> tuxadermist: Yeah; the site is down.
[06:32] <Sionide> and thats all ok
[06:32] <ompaul> tito did you format it in windows?
[06:32] <dc17> tito: can you reformat it in windows to fat?
[06:32] <apokryphos77> tuxadermist: I'd suggest trying later.
[06:32] <Sionide> then when i activate it, it takes a while then doesnt work
[06:32] <estebandido> can someone tell me how to quit the X11 server?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> tuxadermist: maintenance
[06:33] <tuxadermist> lovely i just installed too
[06:33] <membreya> dc17:  I had the same problem, it was because my computer wasn't getting a DHCP address.  Have you tried configuring it manually
[06:33] <taurendil> Has anyone got the gamecon.c module to work for an NES controller?  It's driving me nuts!
[06:33] <tito> i am reformating in windows
[06:33] <thoreauputic> estebandido: sudo /etc/init,d/gdm stop
[06:33] <tito> fat16?
[06:33] <estebandido> except i can'
[06:34] <membreya> FAT32 tito :)
[06:34] <ompaul> tito, as  dc17 said - format it as fat partition and move data to it and then bring it with its data to ubuntu
[06:34] <estebandido> t get to the command line
[06:34] <membreya> thoreauputic: sudo killall gdm
[06:34] <goldfish> can u write to an ntfs partition from ubuntu?
[06:34] <membreya> :P
[06:34] <membreya> goldfish: no
[06:34] <dc17> tito: fat16 or fat32 should be fine
[06:34] <thoreauputic> membreya: yes, but not the debian way - too sudden and harsh!
[06:34] <estebandido> i do cntl-alt-delete, and X quits, but then it immediately restarts
[06:34] <missmarpl> hi
[06:34] <thoreauputic> ;)
[06:34] <membreya> thoreauputic: I live life on the edge
[06:35] <skel_home> is archive down?
[06:35] <membreya> skel_home: yes
[06:35] <Sionide> skel_home, yes
[06:35] <dc17> Sionide: membreya had a good idea about trying to set an address manually
[06:35] <skel_home> k
[06:35] <thoreauputic> membreya: well, the power switch will kill X too ....
[06:35] <skel_home> does ubuntu not have any mirror repositories?
[06:35] <membreya> thoreauputic: ...that's different :P
[06:35] <tux_> whats a good linux client for yahoo messenger
[06:36] <membreya> thoreauputic: ...where's your power switch? :P
[06:36] <skel_home> tux_: gaim
[06:36] <membreya> tux_: gaim
[06:36] <missmarpl> tux_: there is a linux client from yahoo
[06:36] <apokryphos> tux_: Kopete ;-)
[06:36] <estebandido> is there a screenshot of the hoary login screen?
[06:36] <goldfish> gaim is nice
[06:36] <membreya> estebandido: looks no different to warty ;)
[06:37] <tritium> gaim is nice if you don't care about video chatting
[06:37] <skel_home> gaim is one of the most developed projects on sf =P
[06:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: hidden in a jumble of untidy cables...
[06:37] <estebandido> oh... i can't see it, because x.org has the screen all messed up
[06:37] <skel_home> s/most developed/most active
[06:37] <membreya> thoreauputic: ... I didn't say your computers' power switch
[06:37] <goldfish> video chatting?
[06:37] <goldfish> hrmmm....
[06:37] <Xappe> i hate gaim myself. i mean do they call that awaymess. handling?
[06:37] <goldfish> What clients support video chattin?
[06:38] <skel_home> Xappe: thats pretty customizable..
[06:38] <thux> server doesn't answer apt-get update?
[06:38] <tritium> goldfish, gnomemeeting
[06:38] <skel_home> goldfish: gnomemeeting
[06:38] <goldfish> cool
[06:38] <goldfish> thanks
[06:38] <Sionide> hrrmmmm
[06:39] <Xappe> skel_home, well, i've not managed to get rid of that annoying away mess. box
[06:39] <membreya> tritium: ...lunch at 4.40 am?
[06:39] <estebandido> how do i quit X and make it stay quit? it keeps restarting
[06:39] <nanophase> estebandido /etc/init.d/xdm stop
[06:39] <nanophase> or gdm
[06:39] <ompaul> it is 17:46 pm, how often do I have to tell ya you all need to reset your clocks :)
[06:39] <nanophase> or kdm
[06:39] <membreya> estebandido: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:39] <estebandido> but i can't get to the command line!
[06:39] <thoreauputic> estebandido: did you do tha commands as writen above?
[06:40] <dholbach> estebandido, ctrl-alt-f1
[06:40] <thoreauputic> estebandido: you login
[06:40] <estebandido> i can't log in, because the screen is all messed up
[06:40] <thoreauputic> name > enter . password
[06:40] <thoreauputic> ?
[06:40] <membreya> thoreauputic: facetiousness is one of your stronger traits I see :P
[06:40] <nanophase> restart then, driver is bad
[06:40] <apokryphos> Hmm, I could have sworn I installed xorg and selected it as the default upon installation, but a "top" tells me XFree86 is running.
[06:40] <nanophase> my radeon drivers look shitty sometimes aswell
[06:41] <estebandido> i've restareted repeatedly
[06:41] <estebandido> dholbach: that worked, thanks
[06:41] <apokryphos> Is there a quick way to change back to xorg? xorg-common is installed
[06:41] <membreya> nanophase: ...that would be the card :P
[06:41] <estebandido> now i have to solve the real probelm
[06:41] <yccheok> had anyone switch from fedora family to ubuntu before?
[06:41] <apokryphos> yccheok: Yup; me.
[06:41] <yccheok> would like to hear some of urs opinions ;)
[06:42] <ompaul> okay a little problem there I had not got nptdate running - it is actually 17:41 :)
[06:42] <thoreauputic> membreya: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif ( I look a bit like the unix guy)
[06:42] <estebandido> can anyone direct me to pointers on refresh rates?
[06:42] <Aquila> anyone know where i could get drivers for my usb modem?
[06:42] <apokryphos> yccheok: I found Ubuntu faster, and has far better apt sources because of the Debian backbone. I prefer Ubuntu, easily.
[06:42] <nanophase> membreya don't really think so
[06:43] <viper12> lmao thoreau  good un
[06:43] <yccheok> apokryphos: oh! i thought most of the app are distributed in rpm package? that's why till now, i hvnt try on ubuntu
[06:43] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:43] <membreya> nanophase: notice the emoticon at the end of my line of text? I loved my radeon until it died and I have to replace it with a GeForce
[06:43] <apokryphos> yccheok: In Ubuntu, nope, though it can handle RPMs.
[06:43] <membreya> thoreauputic: ...that so does not surprise me
[06:43] <Slike> hello, i just changed my sources.list (apt) to the one from ubuntuguide.org....but it hangs when i perform an apt-get update
[06:43] <membreya> Slike: servers are down
[06:43] <Slike> are there any mirrors or something?
[06:44] <nanophase> membreya don't think I would ever do that. went for this laptop because it had radeon
[06:44] <skel_home> apokryphos: except that the repository is down right now =P
[06:44] <Slike> membreya: for how long?
[06:44] <apokryphos> skel_home: Shh :P
[06:44] <encKe`> could someone fill me in on how to change default sound device?
[06:44] <membreya> Slike: until they're back up?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - sed awk groff grep !
[06:44] <apokryphos> Slike: Shouldn't be too long; I'd recommend trying again in an hour or so.
[06:44] <Slike> ok thx
[06:44] <thoreauputic> membreya: as the caveman said...
[06:44] <yccheok> apokryphos: so far, did u find any packages which u can install in fedora, but not in ubuntu?
[06:44] <dc17> does apt have a way to see what file a package belongs to?  similar to rpm -qif /path/to/somefile?
[06:45] <skel_home> so I can't even get to www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/  are there any mirrors for the archive or is this distro have a single point of failure?
[06:45] <viper12> encke......right click volume control........'open volume control'.  then......'file', "change device".
[06:45] <apokryphos> yccheok: Nope. Ubuntu repos are easily larger. Even better repos for KDE apps on Ubuntu, as far as I can see.
[06:45] <encKe`> ahhh.... sounds easy enough
[06:46] <encKe`> thx viper12
[06:46] <Aquila> anyone know where i could get drivers for my usb modem?
[06:46] <apokryphos> yccheok: Also, the other plus is of course that you only ever have to install the Distro once, and all upgrades are done through apt. :)
[06:46] <Aquila> pm me
[06:46] <viper12> had to do that after the last hoary update.........switched to oss, and that donnna' work for me. :)
[06:46] <skel_home> Aquila: how the hell are we supposed to know if we don't know what modem you have?
[06:46] <yccheok> apokryphos: oh, i thought yum also have the capability to do tat :)
[06:46] <membreya> thoreauputic: so, since you're such an avid geek and obviously have a penchant for the obscure...tell me why I can't enable DMA on my DVD drive?
[06:47] <yccheok> apokryphos: i cannt wait to try out ubuntu coz i had bitten several time of my fedora hang :(
[06:47] <apokryphos> yccheok: Heh, that would surprise me, but I'm sure it might be the case.
[06:47] <Slike> Aquila: search for eci adsl
[06:47] <ompaul> what is it with being strung out on a particular package - if people said what job they wanted a package for then OSS would be out infront by so many light years imho (not that I am humble but you know :))
[06:47] <viper12> lmao......I was WONDERING when you'd bring that one back up again membreya. lol
[06:47] <apokryphos> yccheok: It's very easy to get started on Ubuntu, which is of course a very good thing. Once you've installed it see Ubuntuguide.org for all configuration etc.
[06:47] <membreya> viper12: gave everyone a break and waited to see who knows what :P
[06:47] <viper12> lol
[06:48] <membreya> viper12: ....are you stalking me?!
[06:48] <yccheok> apokryphos: i will try it out once i get a new hard disk or i can experimented in my gf computer ;)
[06:48] <viper12> yeah, membreya.............yeah...........muhahahhahahhaha.  lol
[06:48] <apokryphos> yccheok: Good luck. :)
[06:48] <yccheok> apokryphos: i have several projects nw in fedora, that's why i still wont try it yet :D
[06:48] <thoreauputic> membreya: I take it you tried hdparm?
[06:49] <membreya> viper12: so YOU'RE the one in the van across the street
[06:49] <yccheok> apokryphos: hw about the hardware support? last time i had try a long time to make my 3D card works in fedora
[06:49] <membreya> thoreauputic: ya sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[06:49] <viper12> damn...discovered again.........drives away mumblin........
[06:49] <Aquila> well
[06:49] <ompaul> yccheok, well what makes you think you could not do those projects better on ubuntu?
[06:49] <Aquila> the modem is BT Voyager
[06:49] <Aquila> ADSL
[06:49] <thoreauputic> membreya: umm - your dvd drive is unlikely to be /dev/hda
[06:49] <membreya> thoreauputic: I get HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[06:49] <apokryphos> yccheok: Funnily enough, I found it real easy in Fedora. There's step-by-step on the guide.
[06:49] <apokryphos> yccheok: *Ubuntu
[06:50] <membreya> thoreauputic: trust me it is, my harddrive is /dev/sda as it's a SATA drive :)
[06:50] <thoreauputic> ah -I see
[06:50] <yccheok> ompaul: coz those projects had already been configured nicely in fedora. it would take a long time to re-configured it again in ubuntu
[06:50] <apokryphos> yccheok: In FC3 it was a hassle for me; had to manually download the nvidia drivers from the site, then go in failsafe etc.
[06:50] <encKe`> viper12, when i open "volume control" under file all i get is "quit"
[06:50] <membreya> membreya@diab:~$ dmesg | grep hda
[06:50] <membreya> hda: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[06:50] <membreya> hda: ATAPI 63X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2000kB Cache
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> FC3 is sucky. :-P
[06:51] <thoreauputic> membreya: OK OK - I believe you ! *grin*
[06:51] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: It's not a bad distro, but, well, it's not Ubuntu. :)
[06:51] <skel_home> Aquila: after 30 seconds of googling.. i found this -> http://www.thecaretaker.org.uk/drivers/btvoyager/btvoyagerlinux.htm
[06:51] <skel_home> Aquila: have you tried that?
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> apokryphos: it's as windows as linux can get, that's what makes it bad. :-P
[06:51] <viper12> no encke.......the icon top menu bar.  select volume control.  will open a dialog box.  then under file........(oh wait...........enck, you running warty or hoary?
[06:51] <membreya> just I'm getting major loss between video and audio on an AMD64 3200+ w/ 512mb DDR....something that shouldn't happen
[06:51] <viper12> gads........sorry encke.....that's the 'hoary' volume app.
[06:52] <encKe`> hoary
[06:52] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: Hehe, yeah. I think nowadays they're primarily aiming to get the masses in. Aims are quite different to those of slack/debian/gentoo
[06:52] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: And, of course, dragging in the masses means GUI and user-friendly galore.
[06:53] <marcin_ant> HiddenWolf: I don
[06:53] <marcin_ant> HiddenWolf: don't understand
[06:53] <Aquila> skel_home  yes i have seen that
[06:53] <marcin_ant> HiddenWolf: why FC3 is bad because is more like windows...
[06:53] <viper12> encke: my bad...........again.......tired...the laptop has two 'audio' devices....therefore the choice.
[06:53] <erlend> hello. is there a way i can edit my gnome menus in hoary? after upgraded, i cannot access applications:/// anymore
[06:54] <Aquila> abit complicated..?
[06:54] <marcin_ant> HiddenWolf: (or maybe I misunderstood you)
[06:54] <membreya> thoreauputic: I assume you are off using all of your cognative skills and creating a solution for me ? :P
[06:54] <skel_home> Aquila: oh, I'm sorry, so you want something really easy.
[06:54] <Aquila> ofcourse lol
[06:55] <Dr_willis> Hmm. anyone recall what is the command to set the console font?  The default is NASTY on my laptop - wanting to try out the others in the consolefont dir
[06:55] <skel_home> Aquila: well I have to go run some errands.. good luck on that.
[06:55] <marcin_ant> Dr_willis: you are lucky :)
[06:55] <HiddenWolf> marcin_ant: Fedora is like windows in the fact that it has bloat, bloat, and more bloat, little choice, and lots of things I don't like about it. Not to mention instability.
[06:55] <marcin_ant> Dr_willis: I think I can help you
[06:55] <Aquila> ok thanks lol
[06:56] <viper12> encke, which sound devices are you referring to? (hardware or software mixing?)
[06:56] <marcin_ant> Dr_willis: console = gnome-terminal for you?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> googleing is showing 'setfont' - but that command aint there. :) checking the init scripts to see how its changeing them..
[06:56] <Sionide> oh dear, that's sad
[06:56] <Bandit> I have heard the same abount Ubuntu ;)
[06:56] <Dr_willis> marcin_ant,  no.. the actual CONSOLE :P not under X
[06:56] <Sionide> Gnometris, first time i played - scored 26,383 :s
[06:56] <Dr_willis> this is a P100 laptop - it can barely handle gnome.
[06:56] <HiddenWolf> Bandit: compared to slackware/gentoo, yes ofcourse. :_)
[06:56] <thoreauputic> membreya: I fear you overestimate both my cognitive ekills and my geekiness ...
[06:56] <encKe`> sorftware mixing , viper12
[06:57] <thoreauputic> heh ekills/ skils
[06:57] <membreya> thoreauputic: damnit you showed me a picture..you had a bear..A BEARD!
[06:57] <thoreauputic> I kind of like ekills though
[06:57] <thoreauputic> indeed
[06:57] <viper12> you may want to check the config editor as well. there are choices under system for audio
[06:57] <marcin_ant> Dr_willis: ooooh then I don't know...
[06:57] <membreya> errrr bear = beard
[06:57] <Frossi> hile, is there any alternative repositories for archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com because they are not responding. Im using warty
[06:57] <membreya> I was over amorous
[06:57] <encKe`> kzm, will do
[06:57] <thoreauputic> I have a beard, and unruly unkempt long hair as well
[06:58] <thoreauputic> membreya: I fit the stereotype?
[06:58] <membreya> thoreauputic: if you are slovenly and unkempt ...then yes ;)
[06:58] <dc17> Dr_willis: For hoary I added vga=0x317 to the grub boot parameters
[06:58] <Aquila> anyone know where i could get drivers for my BT voyager ADSL modem?
[06:58] <viper12> of course, if you only have one 'mixer' set installed.......(alsa, oss, es, etc.) then you'd havta install another.
[06:58] <marcin_ant> Dr_willis: I had simmilar problem under X and I reconfigured fontconfig - but I can't help with console
[06:58] <thoreauputic> membreya: I plead guilty on both counts, you Worship
[06:58] <Dr_willis> dc17,  well i rember there was an actuall command that set the font . no need to reboot ect. :P
[06:59] <thoreauputic> *your
[06:59] <membreya> thoreauputic: I worship what?
[06:59] <membreya> ;)
[06:59] <thoreauputic> I'm also a lousy typist
[06:59] <xulin-> byyyeee
[06:59] <Dr_willis> it used to be 'setfont' - you can set the default console font in a config file.. but i cant figure out how/what its running to change them lol.
[06:59] <membreya> your pedantry is failing you young padewan
[06:59] <kwis> Aquila: http://www.thecaretaker.org.uk/drivers/btvoyager/btvoyagerlinux.htm
[06:59] <thoreauputic> membreya: indeed, I am hoist with my own petard ...
[06:59] <viper12> time to bail..............the engines are about to be started.........daytona 500 in a few minutes.............woooooooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:00] <marcin_ant> HiddenWolf: I don't know anything about FC instability - but about other things I don't like all I can say that there is the same about ubuntu - ubuntu and fedora it's still linux
[07:00] <Pelle> Dr_willis, there is a list at http://www.antlinux.com/staticwiki/VgaModes.html
[07:00] <membreya> thoreauputic: petard, how apt :)
[07:00] <viper12> astas all...........til later.
[07:01] <dc17> Dr_willis: consolechars?
[07:01] <membreya> thoreauputic: enough banter, fix my damned problem!
[07:01] <membreya> :P
[07:01] <marcin_ant> HiddenWolf: for me the only difference is that on ubuntu I got "bleeding edge" hoary while FC is not so up to date
[07:01] <thoreauputic> membreya: I fear I am not yet ready to leave the temple....
[07:02] <thoreauputic> membreya: I cannot take the pebble from your hand...
[07:02] <hmmmmmm> http://lol.schaetec.de
[07:02] <hmmmmmm> http://lol.schaetec.de
[07:02] <hmmmmmm> http://lol.schaetec.de
[07:02] <Dr_willis> dc17,  lol - just discovered tht - by reading the scripts. :P
[07:02] <membreya> thoreauputic: well do you experience any loss between vid and audio when watching DVDs?
[07:02] <Dr_willis> hehheh  now i got a readable font. yea.
[07:02] <sege> something like debians non-free repository, does it exist in ubuntu? looking for unrar-nonfree
[07:02] <kwis> well that was stupid
[07:02] <HiddenWolf> sege: universe / multiverse
[07:02] <HiddenWolf> sege: it's all there
[07:03] <thoreauputic> membreya: no, because I don't watch videos and have no DVD :)
[07:03] <sege> HiddenWolf: i have universe
[07:03] <membreya> thoreauputic: I grow more and more disillusioned
[07:03] <sege> adding some multiverse then
[07:03] <thoreauputic> membreya: it gets worse the older you get, I fear...
[07:03] <membreya> thoreauputic: I have 39.5 gb of music videos and 30 gb of videos/tv episodes
[07:03] <Echy|python> lol
[07:03] <sege> HiddenWolf: there it was, thanks.
[07:04] <membreya> thoreauputic: I'm 25...there is no getting older.... :'(
[07:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: I'm old enough to be your father, old boy :)
[07:04] <apokryphos> Ubuntulinux.org is up again, btw
[07:05] <ompaul> it now gets ./ed by the channel I don't think :)
[07:05] <MSG43> hi I need hlep setting my wireless card up. I installed ndiswrapper and modeprobe ndiswrapper
[07:05] <membreya> thoreauputic: my father is like 1,000,000,000 years old!
[07:05] <membreya> ok ok, 52 this year :P
[07:05] <tuxadermist> woot, synaptic time
[07:05] <MSG43> I used the gui network think to setup my internet but I still can't get on I'be gotten on with other dirstors
[07:05] <apokryphos> And now it's down again.
[07:05] <apokryphos> ergh
[07:06] <ruina> hi guys! why I cant login in X as root, only login in X as user??
[07:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: I'm a year older than your father (1,000,000,001 years by your reckoning)
[07:06] <membreya> apokryphos: you will burn in the deepest level of hell for that
[07:06] <sege> ruina: good
[07:06] <apokryphos> heh
[07:06] <tuxadermist> nice i am in the middle of an upgrade hehe
[07:06] <membreya> ruina: cos there is no root?
[07:06] <Ribs> ruina: root account isn't active on ubuntu, use sudo
[07:06] <paulproteus> ruina: Root has login disabled in ubuntu.
[07:06] <Echy|relax> and if you want to root
[07:06] <Echy|relax> type sudo -s
[07:06] <thoreauputic> ruina: because logging in to X as root is verboten
[07:06] <Echy|relax> forbidden
[07:06] <Echy|relax> :p
[07:07] <ruina> hummm thanks!
[07:07] <HiddenWolf> thoreauputic: that's a german touch. :-P
[07:07] <nanophase> or do as I did. boot with init=/bin/bash, passwd, reboot
[07:07] <Echy|relax> thoreauputic, you are german?
[07:07] <thoreauputic> ruina: not to mention dangerous
[07:07] <Infiniting> -es
[07:07] <membreya> ruina: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#allowrootlogingnome
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Echy|relax: not last time I looked, no
[07:07] <ompaul> membreya, your simple statement about your father was 19230769 times wrong
[07:07] <thoreauputic> membreya: don't encourage him!
[07:07] <membreya> :D
[07:07] <ruina> membreya, thanks for guide!
[07:07] <Echy|relax> so why you say verboten?
[07:08] <Echy|relax> that's not english
[07:08] <Echy|relax> neither french or dutch
[07:08] <Echy|relax> but german
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Echy|relax: indeed
[07:08] <thoreauputic> I'm aware of that, thanks anyway
[07:09] <MSG43>  hi I need hlep setting my wireless card up. I installed ndiswrapper and modeprobe ndiswrapper I've used the ndiswrapper and I still can't get on the internet
[07:09] <membreya> ich bin vom deutschen Erbe
[07:10] <Echy|relax> ik van dor nevest
[07:10] <william> apt-get isn't working for me, my computer won't connect to *.ubuntu.com. any solutions?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Echy|relax: I could have said tabu, as well - that's Fijian, but I'm not Fijian
[07:10] <marcin_ant> MSG43: what chipset?
[07:10] <Echy|relax> k
[07:10] <membreya> William: servers are down
[07:10] <Echy|relax> but it's strange in the middle of a sentence
[07:10] <Dr_willis> william,  i noticed it just now also - servers are down it seems
[07:10] <Echy|relax> nvm
[07:10] <ompaul> william, have a look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:10] <MSG43> it I think texas instermeants
[07:10] <Echy|relax> useless discussion
[07:10] <MSG43> marcin_ant my card has worked with ndiswrapper before
[07:11] <ompaul> william, it needs to be edited
[07:11] <membreya> Echy|relax: it's 5.10am, be happy he has an skills beyond breathing
[07:11] <william> okay
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Echy|relax: well, I'm a strange person - don't worry about it :)
[07:11] <marcin_ant> MSG43: you installed windows driver?
[07:11] <carajean> anybody here use cedega or point2play?
[07:11] <Echy|relax> :D
[07:11] <MSG43> marcin_ant yes
[07:11] <MSG43> ndiswrapper is working
[07:11] <membreya> MSG43: check your dmesg...it should say the chipset
[07:11] <MSG43> I need help configuring it though
[07:11] <skel_home> ok so.. anyone got a mirror I can use for ubuntu or know how long archive is going to be down? If anyone knows why its does or ETA maybe put it in /topic?
[07:11] <tuxadermist> damn, all the ubuntu related sites are fubar'ed.  Cant even kill time dl the newer Hoary
[07:11] <william> ompaul: what to edit?
[07:11] <marcin_ant> MSG43: it is visible in ifconfig?
[07:11] <membreya> or do an lspci
[07:11] <MSG43> marcin_ant: yes it is visable
[07:12] <goldfish> I have changed my root password, and my login password, but when i try to su to root, it is only accepting my old root password and I dont know what I have done wrong :/ should it not be accepting my new root password?
[07:12] <ompaul> William remove the # infront of the repositries
[07:12] <SiRrUs> they are up now
[07:12] <membreya> SiRrUs speaks the truth!
[07:13] <SiRrUs> ;) always
[07:13] <william> ompaul: never mind, it's working now. thanks anyway
[07:13] <marcin_ant> MSG43: then run network-admin and configure this interface
[07:13] <membreya> apokryphos: take a lesson from the truth sayer
[07:13] <tito> hi
[07:13] <membreya> wb tito how did you go?
[07:13] <marcin_ant> MSG43: it this configured with this tool?
[07:13] <MSG43> marcin_ant will try
[07:13] <pugio> hey
[07:13] <MSG43> I configure with the networking tool in gnome
[07:14] <pugio> I have 2 (Ubuntu) questions
[07:14] <membreya> sweet sweet nicotine *drools*
[07:14] <tito> i formated the disk in win2000 (FAT32) and i added archives
[07:14] <Echy|relax> how do you make a file executable?
[07:14] <pugio> the first: When I install someting through synaptic, how can I add it as a menu item in my GNOME menu?
[07:14] <membreya> pugio: you're only allowed one per session
[07:14] <Echy|relax> a sh file?
[07:14] <goldfish> membreya: lol
[07:14] <Sionide> hm
[07:14] <apokryphos> Echy|relax: chmod a+x <filename>
[07:14] <Echy|relax> thankies
[07:14] <pugio> and... I'm trying to get Rosegarden to work
[07:14] <Sionide> how do i upgrade firefox to 1.0 ?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> Echy|relax:  chmod =X
[07:14] <membreya> apokryphos: wrong ...again :P
[07:14] <tito> after i connect the usb in this pc whith ubuntu
[07:14] <pugio> has anyone gotten rosegarden to work on ubuntu?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> bah chmod +x
[07:14] <apokryphos> Pyre: help
[07:14] <Pyre> apokryphos: Commands:
[07:14] <Pyre> %anagram  %dict  %google  %recall  %remember  %whois
[07:15] <Echy|relax> %anagram
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Sionide: download the binary from mozilla.org and install it
[07:15] <apokryphos> membreya: Erm, nope. ;)
[07:15] <pugio> anyone? Rosegarden on Ubuntu?
[07:15] <apokryphos> Echy|relax: ;) %anagram someword
[07:16] <MSG43> marcin_ant so I just type in network-admin in the terminal?
[07:16] <membreya> apokryphos: pugio was wanting to know how to edit the menus in nautilus :P
[07:16] <pugio> yeah, that too
[07:16] <arbeck> does anyone know a way to edit a *.iso image?  I want to add a file to it
[07:16] <membreya> oh ..ROFL
[07:16] <membreya> you were answering another
[07:16] <thoreauputic> pugio: its' in universe IIRC
[07:16] <apokryphos> membreya: I didn't say anything to dear pugio
[07:16] <membreya> god I need sleep
[07:16] <apokryphos> :p
[07:16] <Sionide> %anagram gui
[07:16] <johaBBa> membreya, no you don't
[07:16] <Dr_willis> arbeck,  not really seen a tool to do that under linux. Other then mounting it..copying stuff over to a dir. then adding/remaking the iso image.
[07:17] <johaBBa> sleep = no computer time
[07:17] <pugio> thoreauputic: yeah, but it's not working
[07:17] <thoreauputic> ah
[07:17] <Dr_willis> I do belive i saw a tool that can do that under windows called "isobuster" - not sure how it does it however. :(
[07:17] <pugio> thoreauputic: I added the universe component, but it doesn't seem to work
[07:17] <membreya> johaBBa: my girlfriend has no problems with that comment :P
[07:17] <thoreauputic> pugio: you reloaded/updated?
[07:17] <johaBBa> heh
[07:17] <johaBBa> mine just bopped me on the head....
[07:18] <pugio> thoreauputic: well, I just installed th elatest version last night
[07:18] <johaBBa> gotta go....
[07:18] <pugio> thoreauputic:  and I got a bunch of errors when starting it, something about looking for synthesizer - anyway, I just removed it, now I'm trying it again
[07:19] <membreya> under ubuntu is there any way to throttle the upload/download speeds of certain ports?
[07:19] <Sionide> ugh i hate being a noob
[07:19] <dc17>  /quit
[07:19] <thoreauputic> pugio: apt-cache search timidity perhaps
[07:19] <thoreauputic> for sequencer
[07:19] <ompaul> and there was me going to dcc a ^H to dc17
[07:19] <pugio> thoreauputic: that might be it, let me check
[07:19] <apokryphos> Site really is up now.
[07:19] <goldfish> Sionide: aye it sucks
[07:20] <membreya> Sionide: everyone is a newbie at some stage
[07:20] <skel_home> anyone in to cad stuff?
[07:20] <skel_home> brl-cad is awesome
[07:20] <pugio> thoreauputic: I got libsdl-mixer1.2 and libsdl-mixer1.2-dev
[07:21] <pugio> thoreauputic:  but I'mm not really sure what to do - you want me to install that?
[07:21] <pugio> I'm not very familiar with the apt* system yet
[07:21] <thoreauputic> pugio: I have no idea, sorry - just suggested timidity as I kanow it does sequencing etc
[07:22] <pugio> ok, let me try
[07:22] <membreya> optus do DSL ? :\
[07:22] <membreya> hah there you go
[07:22] <ompaul> okay question, how much value would there be in grabbing the contents of the channel to create answers that would be searchable in a db, with the semi obvious proviso about privacy
[07:22] <membreya> thoreauputic: you're not answer my questions very well today :P
[07:22] <thoreauputic> membreya: yes, optus do dsl - badly
[07:22] <Sionide> thoreauputic, what dir should i install it in? (i mean where do progs usually go on linux, equiv of "program files"?)
[07:22] <thoreauputic> Sionide: apt-get/synaptic take care of all that automagically
[07:23] <pugio> ompaul: that would be awsome
[07:23] <ompaul> so a question gets asked - gets answered
[07:23] <membreya> ompaul: if everything here was documented, I would stop having the semblence of knowledge
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Sionide: this isn't windows
[07:23] <Sionide> i know...
[07:23] <Sionide> synaptic didnt wanna upgrade
[07:23] <Sionide> it just wanted to reinstall
[07:23] <apokryphos> Sionide: Try again now. Repos seem to be up.
[07:23] <thoreauputic> your sources.list may be fubar
[07:23] <pugio> thoreauputic: Ok, I got the message it's "waiting for Sequencer to come up"
[07:23] <ompaul> membreya, now you know yourself that is not true :)
[07:24] <carajean> what was the shortcut to switch between desktops??
[07:24] <membreya> ompaul: stop hurting my head..it's coming up to 5.30 am
[07:24] <thoreauputic> pugio: most binaries land in /usr/bin
[07:24] <ompaul>  membreya it is 18:24 :)
[07:25] <Echylo> hi
[07:25] <pugio> thoreauputic: right... but?
[07:25] <membreya> update your damn clock :P
[07:25] <Sionide> what do i do to make it upgrade? :s
[07:25] <pugio> thoreauputic: would it not work if the sound wasn't working on Ubuntu
[07:25] <pugio> which, I need to fix also
[07:25] <thoreauputic> pugio: to find them just type `whereis myapp`
[07:25] <pugio> thoreauputic: I'm not missing any binaries, as far as I know
[07:26] <membreya> under ubuntu is there any way to throttle the upload/download speeds of certain ports?
[07:26] <thoreauputic> pugio: how is a midi app going to work without configured sound?
[07:26] <pugio> thoreauputic: well, I just wanted to start it .... oh never mind, I think I'll probably need ALSA
[07:26] <pugio> which I don't know how to enable on Ubuntu either
[07:26] <marcin_ant> MSG43: yes - but sudo or gksudo network-admin
[07:26] <arbeck> Is there a way to open a windows self extracting zip?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> pugio: normally it's configured by default - sounds like your sound card wasn't recognised or something
[07:27] <Sionide> synaptic doesnt think firefox needs upgrading, when it does :s
[07:27] <pugio> thoreauputic:  well, it's an nforce2 AC97
[07:27] <pugio> thoreauputic: the device tree thing shows it as taht
[07:27] <pugio> thoreauputic: which is correct
[07:27] <apokryphos> arbeck: Sure. You should be able to just get the "zip" app from apt.
[07:27] <marcin_ant> MSG43: or system -> administration -> configure network devices and connections
[07:27] <membreya> Sionide: running warty or hoary?
[07:28] <Sionide> warty
[07:28] <membreya> that's why ;)
[07:28] <Sionide> ...oh
[07:28] <goldfish> do apt-get
[07:28] <goldfish> worked for me
[07:28] <membreya> Sionide: when you do an apt-cache search on firefox what's it say?
[07:28] <membreya> is it in the repo?
[07:28] <nanophase> does anything in gnome work there guys that needs root authorization?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Sionide: I told you a while ago - the latest warty version isn't 1.0 - easiet to install from mozilla.org
[07:29] <nanophase> asks me for password but tells it's not valid
[07:29] <nanophase> just curious
[07:29] <Sionide> yeah i got that far
[07:29] <carajean> can someone tell me the shortcut to switch between desktops???
[07:29] <Sionide> then when i asked where to install it to, you said synaptic would do it?
[07:29] <nanophase> carajean you set it up in preferences/key shortcuts
[07:29] <tuxadermist> anyone play Americas Army ?
[07:30] <Sionide> /etc/mozille-firefox
[07:30] <Sionide> there?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Sionide: oh - I see - no, the binary you can install in your home directory or anywher
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Sionide: then you can make a launcher for it
[07:30] <carajean> thank you nanophase
[07:31] <nanophase> np
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Sionide: sorry - I didn't realise you were refering to the binary
[07:31] <jerome_stix> hy
[07:32] <jerome_stix> I need some help
[07:32] <membreya> under ubuntu is there any way to throttle the upload/download speeds of certain ports?
[07:32] <membreya> we all do jerome_stix
[07:32] <thoreauputic> Sionide: the command field for the launcher should have the full path - so type in for instance /home/Sionide/Firefox/firefox or wherever it is living
[07:32] <jerome_stix> Somebody can help me about speedtouch adsl
[07:33] <jerome_stix> I have a problem with hotplug
[07:33] <Bandit> jerome_stix usb?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Sionide: sorry to confuse you like that
[07:35] <vi11e> what is totem-xine ?
[07:35] <jerome_stix> Yes usb
[07:35] <pugio> how do I terminate X11?
[07:35] <pugio> using that command sequence that just kills it?
[07:35] <jerome_stix> My adsl connection is ok but
[07:36] <vi11e> I want to uninstall totem player, I have totem-xine totem-gstreamer and totem  packages, which packages should I leave? I want to leave xine on my PC
[07:36] <ruina> anyone brazilian here?
[07:36] <JsPr> pugio: <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[07:36] <vi11e> ola boa nujte
[07:36] <apokryphos> vi11e: "A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine". See the Synaptic description.
[07:37] <membreya> ok then thoreauputic I have a different question for you :P
[07:37] <vi11e> obrigado
[07:37] <blah09> vi11e, totem-xine can be removed, you call still use xine-ui
[07:37] <ruina> hehehe obrigado
[07:37] <jerome_stix> When i start with adsl modem connected, i can't start the connection. When i connect the modem after start, i can me conncted
[07:37] <vi11e> and what about totem-gstreamer ?
[07:37] <pugio> How can I get a shell prompt?
[07:37] <pugio> X11 keeps starting
[07:37] <jerome_stix> Sorry i'm french !!
[07:37] <blah09> that too
[07:37] <pugio> I can't kill X11
[07:38] <nanophase> pugio stop gdm
[07:38] <membreya> pugio: CTRL+ALT+F1
[07:38] <pugio> yeay!
[07:38] <pugio> thanks membreya
[07:39] <thoreauputic> of course, that doesn't kill X - it's still running on tty7
[07:39] <ulisse> Hi all!
[07:39] <pugio> thoreauputic: oh
[07:39] <pugio> so, then I have to kill it
[07:39] <membreya> thoreauputic: that's where sudo killall comes in ;)
[07:39] <pugio> sudo killall X11 ?
[07:39] <pugio> would taht be the correct command?
[07:39] <membreya> thoreauputic: don't you want to answer anymore of my questions? :P
[07:39] <tux_> lo
[07:39] <ulisse> I'm having a strange problem with hoary, someone willing to listen to me?
[07:39] <pugio> membreya: sudo killall X11 ?
[07:39] <thoreauputic> sudo /etc/init,d/gdm stop
[07:40] <geargolem> installing yafray for blender...  any tips?
[07:40] <tux_> when i right click on a file on the desktop, it doesnt give an option to print
[07:40] <tux_> is it possible to add such an option ?
[07:40] <thoreauputic> membreya: you assume that I am capable of doing so?
[07:40] <LinuxJones> tux_, hit the print screen on your keyboard
[07:40] <tux_> :)
[07:40] <ulisse> geargolem, enable universe (or multiverse?) repositories and apt-get it!
[07:40] <LinuxJones> :)
[07:40] <membreya> thoreauputic: you have a beard :P
[07:41] <tielie> hello, people I have a Question is there anyone who knows why the swedish gnome language translations is not installed in hoary?
[07:41] <tux_> got my sylus c-62 working with linux, quite good results!
[07:41] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, but like Samson, my powers might disappear if I remove the facial hair?
[07:42] <ruina> anyone brazilian here?
[07:42] <membreya> thoreauputic: that would be assuming the powers are not simply a figment of our imagination
[07:42] <Ainvar> after installing the fgl ati drivers from synaptic on a hoary install
[07:42] <membreya> my girlfriend gets brazilian waxed ruina, does that count?
[07:42] <Ainvar> anything special I have to do to use th enew drivers?
[07:42] <pugio> what's the easiest way I can tell if my sound is working?
[07:43] <membreya> pugio: turn your speakers on?
[07:43] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have no illusions in that respect: I might give the impression of erudition - but I know I'm a newb really ;)
[07:44] <thoreauputic> pugio: cat /dev/urandom /dec/dsp
[07:44] <pugio> yeah that's wha I wanted thanks
[07:44] <thoreauputic> pugio: and ctrl-C to escape the cacophony
[07:44] <membreya> newb indeed :P
[07:44] <pugio> yeah
[07:44] <pugio> I am a newb
[07:44] <pugio> so?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> /dev/dsp (typo)
[07:44] <membreya> pugio: not you dude :) thoreauputic
[07:44] <ulisse> geargolem, i suggest not to use the "export xml" feature in blender's yafray panel; it didn't work for me...
[07:45] <pugio> ahh
[07:45] <pugio> wel I am too
[07:45] <membreya> I'm more of a newbie :)
[07:45] <ulisse> I'm having a trouble wit pmount (i think)
[07:45] <geargolem> the synaptic package is .6..  not the latest build of yafray
[07:45] <erlend> thoreauputic, that's funny.. it doesnt work for me. no sound. however  i get sound in gnome and xmms and whatever when i use esound
[07:46] <tuxadermist> sweet I get to watch the "Life of Brain"  good way to kill off a lousy weather day
[07:46] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh  my last encounters with computers before linux involved punch cards and an IBM 360 mainframe :)
[07:46] <pugio> thoreauputic: ummm, that just makes my tower beep
[07:46] <pugio> thoreauputic: but no sound comes out of my speakers
[07:46] <membreya> punch cards? dear god, I wasn't even born then
[07:46] <thoreauputic> erlend: I made a typo - should be /dev/dsp
[07:46] <ulisse> geargolem, I don't know, try to see on yafray site...
[07:46] <pugio> erlend: esound?
[07:46] <erlend> when i try to use mplayer with oss module it doesnt work.
[07:47] <erlend> thoreauputic, i know :)
[07:47] <ulisse> nobody using hoary and knows pmount?
[07:47] <geargolem> ulisse what did you do to get it to work with blender?
[07:47] <pugio> erlend: what and how is esound?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> membreya: but I've only been using linux for about 3 years
[07:47] <ulisse> geargolem, I simply installed it via apt-get, and it was on the blender render panel
[07:48] <erlend> i have this problem. mplayer -vo help does not give me esd or alsa as a choice. and when i use oss it tells me /dev/dsp is busy.
[07:48] <kent> Does any one know of a program to check the inklevel on lexmark printers? Ive got it working, now i want to check the inklevel :)
[07:48] <erlend> Pugio, enlightenment sound daemon ?
[07:48] <tuxadermist> Question:  Why in Hoary can I no longer edit my repository list in Synaptic ?
[07:48] <ulisse> geargolem, only the export xml thing didn't work, I have to render directly to yafray from blender
[07:48] <pugio> erlend: oh
[07:48] <pugio> arrghhh my sound will NOT work, the volume control is maxed
[07:48] <farruinn> erlend: there is supposed to be a command you use to force an app to use esd
[07:48] <pugio> but nothing comes out
[07:49] <farruinn> but I don't remember what it is
[07:49] <geargolem> ulisse it doesn't render within blender?
[07:49] <encKe`> same here pugio
[07:49] <erlend> farruinn, really? okay.. i wonder why mplayer can't figure out that my system has esd installed
[07:49] <pugio> can anyone assist us poor no-sound people?
[07:49] <ulisse> geargolem, I'm using the latest release of blender, may it help?
[07:49] <erlend> and i wonder why esd is the only sound system i can use
[07:49] <Dr_willis> pugio,  what sound card?
[07:49] <ulisse> geargolem, It renders only directly
[07:49] <geargolem> thats what I'm using as well
[07:49] <pugio> nforce2 AC97
[07:49] <encKe`> mine sees both devices, but uses my onboard sound instead of card
[07:49] <farruinn> erlend: see if 'apropos esd' gives you anything
[07:50] <pugio> Dr_willis: nforce2 AC97
[07:50] <geargolem> hmm.  let me use the synaptic package to get yafray again
[07:50] <ulisse> geargolem, you have to uncheck the "xml" button in yafray panel
[07:50] <erlend> farruinn, it does
[07:50] <Dr_willis> i recall on some cards - that different mixers show different sliders.. like "alsamixer"
[07:50] <pugio> I have a whole bunch of sound modules loaded in "lsmo" but no soudn comes out
[07:50] <erlend> hm
[07:50] <Dr_willis> on one pc i go ttheres some sliders way to the right that for some reason are muted by default. i alwyas had to set them to 75% or so
[07:50] <pugio> I don't have any mixers
[07:51] <pugio> just whatever Ubuntu came with
[07:51] <encKe`> where do i edit to change my sound device?
[07:51] <encKe`> alsamixer , pugio
[07:51] <pugio> encKe`: how do I access that?
[07:52] <encKe`> open terminal & type alsamixer
[07:52] <pugio> ahh, just did
[07:52] <pugio> Card: NVidia nForce2
[07:52] <pugio> Chp: Realtek ALC650 rev 3
[07:52] <pugio> but not soudn comes out
[07:52] <Dr_willis> pugio,  perhaps install the alsa ones.  could be the gnome ones are not showihg the right controlls.
[07:52] <Dr_willis> alsamixergui - graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver
[07:53] <pugio> Dr_willis:  well, alsamixer in the terminal works
[07:53] <pugio> Dr_willis: but I'll try the gui too I guess
[07:53] <ulisse> someone help me with pmount, please...
[07:53] <pugio> (Btw, works doesn't mean any actual sound)
[07:53] <Dr_willis> pugio,  that thing has some slikders you are NOT seeing - way to the right side.. perhaps...
[07:53] <pugio> hmmm
[07:53] <pugio> ok
[07:53] <pugio> Dr_willis: I'll get the gui now
[07:54] <carajean> does totem play avi files?
[07:54] <Dr_willis> in the console one.. use the right arror key to get over to the right side. :P
[07:54] <pugio> Dr_willis: oh I see
[07:54] <pugio> let's see if that works
[07:54] <Dr_willis> diffrent cards will have different sliders ive notced. on some of mine - i go tto tweak others :P
[07:54] <Dr_willis> pugio,  :P
[07:54] <encKe`> Dr_willis, how do i go about changing my default card?
[07:54] <Chipzz> the ubuntu mirros are giving me errors when apt-get updating
[07:54] <Chipzz> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[07:54] <Fator_Dee> they are under maintenance
[07:55] <encKe`> it stuck using my onboard sound
[07:55] <Dr_willis> if you got more then 1 sound card. therrs some alsa config files..
[07:55] <Dr_willis> or disable the onboard on the bios. :P
[07:55] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: maintenance in progress
[07:55] <Dr_willis> I always jst disable the thing in bios
[07:55] <pugio> Dr_willis:  I only have one card, however I don't know how to turn a slider On
[07:55] <encKe`> aww.... ill try the bios trick. Im sure itll werk
[07:55] <pugio> it says "Item: CD [Off] "
[07:55] <encKe`> thx dude
[07:55] <thoreauputic> oops - gee I'm slow now
[07:55] <Dr_willis> Up arror to up the folume..
[07:55] <Dr_willis> volume. :P
[07:56] <encKe`> brb
[07:56] <Dr_willis> as for onb/off - not sure :P i dont see any that say on/off let me see
[07:56] <Dr_willis> M - will Mute/Unmute stuff
[07:56] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question. I installed mplayer from scratch, and I get audio when I run it from command line, and when I run gmplayer, but not when I right click on something and select "open with other application". any suggestions on what's happening?
[07:56] <Dr_willis> if thats what you mean.
[07:56] <carajean> ok how do i get totem to play my avi files from my hard drive???
[07:56] <membreya> damn cron tab not working!
[07:56] <pugio> Dr_willis:  let me try that
[07:56] <tito> hi
[07:56] <Sionidle> hooray for ubuntu
[07:57] <apokryphos> carajean: See the article about restricted formats on the site
[07:57] <pugio> Dr_willis:  yeah M seems to turn it "On"
[07:57] <thoreauputic> lavigj: is it in your $PATH ?
[07:57] <apokryphos> %tell carajean uburestricted
[07:57] <Pyre> carajean: uburestricted - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:57] <Dr_willis> I got "Via DXS"  way at the right that on this pc - i have tobe sure is on/90% or so. for sound to work.
[07:57] <lavigj> thoreauputic: hmm... probably not. how do I check that?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> lavigj: and you added it under properties?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> lavigj: type `which mplayer` I guess to see if it's in the PATH
[07:58] <thoreauputic> or gmplayer
[07:58] <membreya> hmmm my cron tab is currently set to 58 5 * * * /opt/azureus/azureus
[07:58] <membreya> 59 5 * * * sudo killall azureus
[07:58] <membreya> any reason why it's not loading azureus?
[07:58] <lavigj> thoreauputic: /usr/local/bin/mplayer
[07:58] <carajean> ok so what player can i apt-get that can play avi files??
[07:58] <Dr_willis> membreya,  first guess  - file permissions/ownership
[07:58] <thoreauputic> OK - it's in your path then so that's not it
[07:58] <tito> i formated a memory stick in win2000 in FAT32, when i try mount /dev/sda the reponse is:
[07:59] <apokryphos> carajean: Get mplayer or xine, I recommend. However, you might also need to get extra codecs. See the above article.
[07:59] <Sionide> does ubuntu come with mplayer ?
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Sionide: no
[07:59] <lavigj> carajean: I would recommend using mplayer... there are some guides for compiling it yourself. other than the small snafu I am having, it is excellent and will play almost anything
[07:59] <Fator_Dee> Sionide: no, but you can get it from repos
[07:59] <apokryphos> Sionide: Nope; but available in the repos.
[07:59] <Dr_willis> tito,  its MOST likely needing to mount "sda1"
[07:59] <carajean> ok cool
[07:59] <carajean> thanks
[07:59] <apokryphos> np
[07:59] <tito> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[07:59] <Fator_Dee> np
[07:59] <tito>        or too many mounted file systems
[07:59] <membreya> Dr_willis: I can run azureus from the console without needing to sudo
[07:59] <Dr_willis> tito,  or its on some other scsi device.. sdb sdc.. ect..
[07:59] <sander__> Does anyone here use soundjuicer?
[08:00] <Dr_willis> membreya,  cron runs as a different user entirely i do belive
[08:00] <tito> ok, you must specify the filesystem type
[08:00] <tito> in fdisk -l
[08:00] <Dr_willis> tito,  thats mounts generic "it dident work" error message "{
[08:00] <ruina> I need disable postifix on boot .. how I make this??
[08:00] <thoreauputic> sander__: sure
[08:00] <lavigj> tito: you are using mount -t vfat etc... right?
[08:00] <Sionide> ah ha
[08:00] <Dr_willis> A Proper/correct mount command will work wonders also. :P
[08:00] <thoreauputic> sander__: only for .ogg though
[08:00] <pugio> Dr_willis:  I turned EVERY slider up but still no sound
[08:01] <Dr_willis> pugio,  no idea then.
[08:01] <Dr_willis> pugio,  could be a sound driver/module issue.
[08:01] <ruina> errr postifix = postfix
[08:01] <sander__> thoreauputic, did you have to set any security permissions to get juicer to see the drive?
[08:01] <pugio> Dr_willis:  well, I have like 10+ modules loaded with snd
[08:01] <tito> root@ubuntu:/home/tito # mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /usb
[08:01] <thoreauputic> sander__: no, I don't believe so
[08:01] <tito> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[08:01] <tito>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:01] <tito>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[08:01] <tito>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[08:01] <geargolem> I unchecked xml, ulisse, and blender quits running when I hit 'render'
[08:02] <sander__> I mean do I have to add myself to cdrom group or something. I can play CDs but juicer just sits there and doesn't see the CD.
[08:02] <thoreauputic> sander__: possibly it's pointing at the wrong directory?
[08:02] <sander__> I don't see a directory setting, just a device listing.
[08:02] <thoreauputic> ah - add yourself to the disk group I think
[08:02] <tozer> where can I download the ndis-wrapper ?
[08:03] <goldfish> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[08:03] <goldfish> i think
[08:03] <ruina> what is command for disable daemon on boot? I dont want remove S and K files in rc directory
[08:03] <Sionide> how do i install the SMB support thing for windows networks?
[08:03] <tozer> I don't have a connection working on the ubuntu machine... I'm on an ibook and want to burn it to a cd and then install it
[08:03] <thoreauputic> sander__: hmm - mayve cdrom
[08:03] <thoreauputic> maybe
[08:04] <Dr_willis> tito,  it may want sda5 - check what fdisk says on that decvice
[08:05] <sander__> hmm, I am a member of CDROM. I wonder if it has something to do with CD having both audio and data on it.
[08:05] <tozer> goldfish: do you know where I can download it and burn it to cd?
[08:05] <pugio> Dr_willis: cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp does give me a bunch of noise
[08:05] <goldfish> tozer: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper/
[08:05] <thoreauputic> sander__: is it pointing to the right device? (/dev/hdc or whatever)
[08:05] <pugio> Dr_willis:  but I never get any real sound
[08:05] <Dr_willis> pugio,  lol :P
[08:05] <tozer> goldfish: thanks
[08:05] <goldfish> tozer: u can get the source there
[08:05] <goldfish> np
[08:05] <Dr_willis> pugio,  try the mpg123 player from the console. It may be a gnome issue.
[08:06] <selinium_> anybody here played zelda on nestra?
[08:06] <ruina> what is command for disable daemon on boot?
[08:06] <pugio> Dr_willis:  command not found
[08:06] <thoreauputic> sander__: if you are the first user (default user) I think you should be in the right groups anyway
[08:06] <sander__> When you insert a music CD does Hal mount it on your desktop?
[08:06] <Dr_willis> pugio,  install it then :P  Logic 101
[08:06] <apokryphos> sander__: Music CDs aren't mounted.
[08:06] <tito> special device /dev/sda5 does not exist
[08:06] <pugio> Dr_willis:  apt-get mpg123 ?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> sander__: audio CDs are not mounted - they have no filesystem
[08:07] <Dr_willis> apt-get install
[08:07] <sander__> apokryphos, OK.
[08:07] <Dr_willis> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:07] <thoreauputic> sander__: unless you mean mp3s or similar
[08:07] <sander__> thoreauputic, the first time I entered the CD it asked me if I wanted to mount it as data or music. I think there may be a setting in there somewhere that was messed up.
[08:08] <mjr> sander__, gnome-volume-manager can open the CD player on insertion of audio CDs, but yeah, mounting isn't an option
[08:09] <mjr> anyway, seems like the proper thing to ask would be rather whether to "treat" it as a data or music disc
[08:10] <sander__> Er, it was an issue with that one cd (the one I wanted to rip :() so juice does work. Thanks mjr, thoreauputic and apokryphos!
[08:10] <membreya> so to get my cron tab running..what should I do..change the ownership of the file I'm trying to run or change the groups I belong to????
[08:11] <sander__> Also what is the preferred multimedia back end? Should it be ALSA or ESD?
[08:13] <[Spooky] > yo yo
[08:14] <[Spooky] > man i have trouble with the command dd anyone good with it ?
[08:14] <helio7> anyone ever have trouble adding WMs to the .xsession file and having them appear in the "session chooser" for some reason blackbox always appears as #2: Default System Session...  rather than by its correct name.
[08:16] <pugio> Dr_willis: the mpg123 worked!
[08:16] <larsrohdin> hi, is anyone here any good at fluxbox keys?
[08:16] <pugio> Dr_willis: so, do you have any idea what part of Gnome wouldn't allow me to hear sound from it?
[08:17] <Sionide> ok
[08:17] <Sionide> im a newbie..
[08:17] <Sionide> i need the extreme-newbies guide to linux
[08:17] <[Spooky] > man i have trouble with the command dd anyone good with it ?
[08:17] <pugio> or, does ANYONE have any idea why I can hear sound through the command line utilities but not through gnome?
[08:17] <Sionide> anyone got any useful links?
[08:17] <Kosmic_Youth> man dd
[08:17] <Kosmic_Youth>  :)
[08:17] <pugio> Sionide hang on, lt me check my liinks, I think I have one
[08:17] <ompaul> [Spooky] , (those []  make it hard to start typing) what do you want to do with dd?
[08:17] <apokryphos> Sionide: ubuntuguide.org is good for stuff. I'll get you a better one though; hold on.
[08:18] <Sionide> yeah i have ubuntuguide bookmarked
[08:18] <pugio> http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[08:18] <pugio> that one is huge
[08:18] <pugio> but good
[08:18] <pugio> might be a bit tooo much though
[08:18] <Sionide> heh
[08:18] <[Spooky] > ompaul: to make a image of a cd-r...
[08:18] <pugio> so, does anyone have any idea why Gnome wouldn't give me sound but the command line would?
[08:18] <larsrohdin> anyone good at fluxbox key bindings?
[08:19] <Sionide> the wiki helps obviously
[08:19] <Sionide> and the guide
[08:19] <ompaul> [Spooky] , to a hard drive or to another disk?
[08:19] <[Spooky] > ompaul: im trying dd if=/dev/hdd of=/homedir/fil.iso
[08:19] <tuxadermist> there we go removing the update-manger helps
[08:19] <Sionide> but i probably need a noobs guide to nux rather than just ubuntu
[08:19] <[Spooky] > ompaul: to hard drive
[08:19] <ompaul> [Spooky] , and your error is?
[08:19] <[Spooky] > in/out error...
[08:19] <[Spooky] > ompaul:
[08:19] <apokryphos> Sionide: Ah; pugio brought in that link. It's very good; I recommend it. There's a few others for basics on command line I could dig out, if you want.
[08:20] <Sionide> please
[08:20] <Sionide> i mean im not a total noob
[08:20] <Sionide> i've used nux before
[08:20] <Sionide> i have 2 nix machines now
[08:20] <apokryphos> :P
[08:20] <Sionide> one slackware and one ubuntu
[08:20] <Sionide> but thats not the same as knowing how to use them and not asking questions all the time
[08:21] <goldfish> lol
[08:21] <goldfish> I have ubuntu for 3 weeks and I still dont know what im up to too well Sionide
[08:21] <Sionide> i have another thing blocking my way
[08:21] <goldfish> As you said, being a noob sucks :/
[08:21] <Sionide> i connect to the net through a proxy (on my internal home network) and it sucks
[08:22] <pugio> does anyone know why Gnome sound wouldn't work but command line sound would?
[08:22] <ompaul> [Spooky] , are you running that with sudo? i.e.  sudo dd if=/dev/cdrom(1)  /homedir/fil.iso
[08:22] <pugio> is there some faulty gnome sound daemon?
[08:22] <goldfish> command sound?
[08:22] <goldfish> terminal beep?
[08:22] <ompaul> [Spooky] , also note that I have changed from the hdd to cdrom or cdrom1 as needed
[08:22] <ruina> root@priss:/home/jarbas # apt-get install xmms
[08:22] <ruina> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:22] <ruina> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:22] <ruina> Recommended packages:
[08:22] <ruina>   libmikmod2
[08:22] <ruina> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[08:22] <ruina>   xmms
[08:23] <ruina> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:23] <ruina> Need to get 1996kB of archives.
[08:23] <Sionide> pugio, i have problems with my soundcard on nux - ubuntu had no problems at all on my laptop
[08:23] <ruina> After unpacking 6238kB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:23] <ruina> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main xmms 1.2.10-1 [1996kB] 
[08:23] <ruina> Fetched 1996kB in 1m10s (28.1kB/s)
[08:23] <ruina> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[08:23] <ruina> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[08:23] <Sionide> ubuntu is definately the easiest nix distro i've seen to install...
[08:23] <tseng> ruina: please dont do that.
[08:23] <ruina>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[08:23] <jinx_> I've installed Ubuntu on my laptop, and it all works fine - wifi and all... except one thing:  I can't refer to mercury/polaris etc by name unless I fully qualify the domain name i.e. mercury.rising.  I've forgotten how to setup linux to recognise that it's on the rising domain.
[08:23] <ruina>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[08:23] <ruina>         LANG = "en"
[08:23] <jinx_> I've got
[08:23] <ruina>     are supported and installed on your system.
[08:23] <jinx_> 192.168.1.128 seraphym.rising seraphym
[08:23] <jinx_> in the /etc/hosts file
[08:23] <ruina> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[08:23] <jinx_> but what else do I need to do?
[08:23] <ruina> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:23] <ruina> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:23] <Fator_Dee> gaaahh.. fl00d
[08:23] <ruina> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:23] <ruina> Preconfiguring packages ...
[08:23] <ruina> Selecting previously deselected package xmms.
[08:23] <pugio> goldfish:  command line mp3 players work
[08:23] <ruina> (Reading database ... 65806 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:23] <ruina> Unpacking xmms (from .../xmms_1.2.10-1_i386.deb) ...
[08:23] <tseng> oh jeez.
[08:23] <pugio> goldfish: and the like
[08:23] <ruina> Setting up xmms (1.2.10-1) ...
[08:23] <LinuxJones> omg ruina
[08:23] <ruina> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[08:23] <ruina> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[08:23] <pugio> ruina please don't flood
[08:23] <ruina>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[08:23] <ruina>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[08:23] <ruina>         LANG = "en"
[08:23] <pugio> ruina stop
[08:23] <mike998> jeez... someone kick ruina
[08:23] <goldfish> pugio: ah k
[08:23] <ruina>     are supported and installed on your system.
[08:24] <ruina> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[08:24] <Fator_Dee> this channel needs a bot
[08:24] <ruina> sorry
[08:24] <ompaul> ruina, that would be better if you had done that in #flood or some paste bin
[08:24] <tuxadermist> How do I add items to my Applications menu ? is there a menu editor or something ?
[08:24] <pugio> goldfish: I'm just trying to figure out why Gnome isn't giving me sound?
[08:24] <apokryphos> ruina: use a pastebin
[08:24] <jinx_> did anyone even see my question in amongst all that garbage?
[08:24] <pugio> goldfish: I heard that maybe it's default sound daemon might be offf, but I don't really know much
[08:24] <ompaul> apokryphos, what you say that a pastebin needs to be in the topic?
[08:25] <goldfish> tuxadermist: nautilus applications:///
[08:25] <[Spooky] > ompaul: tried now and im getting the same error...
[08:25] <goldfish> tuxadermist: file, create new launcher
[08:25] <goldfish> maybe
[08:25] <ompaul> [Spooky] , which? all of them cdrom cdrom0 cdrom1?
[08:25] <apokryphos> ompaul: Erm nope; I'm saying that for large output, or multiple line output on IRC you should use a pastebin service.
[08:25] <erlend> does anybody know how i can edit menus in hoary ? it is no longer possible to go to applications:///
[08:26] <ompaul> apokryphos, I think a pastebin or #flood should be in the topic that is all I am suggesting
[08:26] <apokryphos> ompaul: Oh right; yeah, could be a good idea.
[08:27] <ompaul> jinx_, em your question what is mercury?
[08:28] <ompaul> jinx_, em in your question I end up with another one: what is mercury?
[08:28] <Sionide> hm
[08:28] <Sionide> i like progs with proxy settings
[08:28] <Sionide> like the synaptic
[08:28] <tuxadermist> guess they took out applications;/// outta hoary and any trace of being able to add apps, hope gnome told programers to make them all auto appear from now on
[08:29] <jinx_> ompaul: mercury/polaris are just other machines on the network.  I can type (for example) ping mercury.rising, but not ping mercury    My question is, how to get my Ubuntu machine to realise it's on the 'rising' domain?
[08:30] <erlend> tuxadermist, is there no way to edit the menus now ?
[08:30] <tuxadermist> not that I can see
[08:30] <tuxadermist> at least not as easily as you could in warty
[08:30] <tuxadermist> :(
[08:31] <Zapan> yo les gens
[08:31] <jinx_> ompaul: i've got another box which acts as the DNS server.  All my other machines know they are on the 'rising' domain, and don't need to fully qualify the machines names to see them
[08:31] <LinuxJones> erlend, atm I don't think so, I'm sure the Gnome developers are working on another method.
[08:31] <Sionide> wow the ubuntu wiki is nice
[08:31] <erlend> i really really can't believe why gnome has been released at all without a menu edit tool. just a small and simple tool to edit menus, how difficult could that have been to make ?
[08:31] <erlend> unbeleivable
[08:31] <ompaul> jinx_ so you need to look at resolv.conf
[08:32] <jinx_> ompaul: the ip in resolv.conf points to the DNS server
[08:32] <ompaul> jinx_, and the domain name in resolv.conf is rising?
[08:32] <jinx_> ompaul: ahh - do I need to put "search rising" at the top?
[08:32] <ompaul> you got it
[08:32] <tuxadermist> only place I can make launchers by the look of it is on he desktop, not something I wanna do, limited space, after 50 icons its gonna look rather messy erlend
[08:32] <Oo-0> hey, anyone got time to help me upgrade ALSA? apparently I need 1.0.8 for my card to be supported.
[08:33] <pugio> How can I get the Gnome Multimedia System Selector in Ubuntu?
[08:33] <pugio> I don't see anything like it?
[08:33] <erlend> tuxadermist, this is so absurd. what reasonable explanation is there that something as important as menu editing is made impossible ?
[08:34] <jinx_> ompaul: thanks - that was it :)  I completely forgot about that setting :/  Ok - well that's the last of my questions.. The box works perfectly apart from that and I'm well pleased that the Ubuntu install detected my wifi and sound etc as it's a laptop with some dodgy proprietary stuff in it....
[08:34] <apokryphos> erlend: I believe it's not working on KDE, too ;)
[08:35] <pugio> How can I get the Gnome Multimedia System Selector in Ubuntu?
[08:35] <encKe`> Bios fix worked great Dr_willis
[08:35] <encKe`> thx
[08:35] <erlend> why?? do they want people to use another desktop environment ?
[08:35] <LinuxJones> Puggs, gstreamer-properties
[08:36] <Sionide> err
[08:36] <pugio> gstreamer?
[08:36] <Sionide> bleh who knows about samba?
[08:36] <apokryphos> erlend: Nope; it's an Ubuntu problem, not quite sure. I know it's at least fixed in KDE 3.4; not sure of Gnome.
[08:36] <LinuxJones> Puggs, type that in console
[08:36] <encKe`> i had samba running on freebsd but not ubuntu yet
[08:36] <pugio> I'm trying to find the spot where I can switch gnome between OSS ALSA and ESD
[08:37] <tuxadermist> erlend, dunno, but there are .desktop files, they seem to hold the information,  now all ya gotta do is write a new one for each and every app you install and there only 8 lines long.  All designed with end user ease of use in mind :)
[08:37] <LinuxJones> Puggs, or alt + F2
[08:37] <pugio> ahh
[08:37] <pugio> I got it, I think
[08:37] <pugio> gstreamer-properties
[08:37] <LinuxJones> Puggs, :)
[08:37] <Sionide> i got it running, but when i try and connect to this from this (windows) machine it asks for a username and pass but doesnt accept my ubuntu login
[08:37] <encKe`> dont forget about alt - f4  :)
[08:37] <erlend> apokryphos, you practicaly haveto be a hacker to edit menus in gnome. regardless of which distro you are using. i was very pleased when i found that it could be done with applications:/// in ubuntu, but now they removed this option. so annoying
[08:37] <pugio> there should be a menu for that
[08:37] <Sionide> and when i try and look at this machine from ubuntu it says i dont have the right permissions
[08:39] <tuxadermist> erlend, well dunno about u or others but this kills using gnome for me, definate non starter seeing how i only use simple things
[08:39] <encKe`> Sionide,  on ur windows machine you have to run "gpedit.msc" and allow windows to accept unincrypted passwords
[08:41] <tuxadermist> gonna check out gimpnet see if anyone in #gnome has a bright idea
[08:42] <vi11e> I need help with the archive manager! how can I get hidden files visible there?
[08:42] <ompaul> jinx_, not a problem, sorry was taking a call
[08:42] <Oo-0> anybody know what I need to do to upgrade to alsa-1.0.8?
[08:42] <encKe`> under "Computer Settings", "Windows Settings", "Security Setting", "local Policies"
[08:42] <encKe`> Sionide, its in there
[08:42] <murciano> ville on gnome?
[08:42] <Sionide> cool thanks i'll try that hang on
[08:43] <jinx_> ompaul: are you related to the Ubuntu project at all or are you just a helpfull user?
[08:43] <vi11e> yes murciano
[08:43] <encKe`> you will prob have to reboot machine.....  it is winblows ya know
[08:43] <murciano> ville control + H
[08:43] <ompaul> jinx_, helpful is my intention
[08:43] <pugio> anyone here have any experience with different sound daemons?
[08:43] <ompaul> jinx_, 'just' is so condesending :)
[08:43] <pugio> cause I'm having issues trying to get ESD ALSA or OSS
[08:44] <jinx_> ompaul: non-intentionally so :)
[08:44] <murciano> ville or menu "view" > "show hidden files"
[08:44] <murciano> ville all ok?
[08:44] <ompaul> ohh my sides hurt
[08:44] <pugio> I set the GNome sound daemon to ESD (cause that was the only one that the "test" button worked) but Rhymbox or the default CD player won't play anything
[08:44] <Echylo> can you integrate python programs in html?
[08:45] <jinx_> ahh - I do have one more thing: How do I disable the screen-saver when watching movies with gmplayer?
[08:45] <ompaul> Echylo, do you mean trigger them on a server or client side?
[08:45] <murciano> can anybody help me with my wireless card?
[08:45] <ompaul> jinx_, I only know how to do it full time if that is any use
[08:46] <Echylo> trigger them on server
[08:46] <Echylo> I made a very very simple html generator
[08:46] <vi11e> murciano: there is no "show hidden files" in archive managers view and control+H doesn't work... those tricks works on the "file browser" but not in my "archive manager"
[08:46] <jinx_> Echylo: sure - you can write server side script in pretty much anything, provided support in the web server
[08:46] <ompaul> jinx_, you could have a thing where there is a time difference between saver and locked so just moving the mouse would be enough
[08:46] <encKe`> Sionide, also disable the 2 settings that say something like "if client agrees" (always)
[08:47] <murciano> ville sorry, what do you mean with "archive manager"?
[08:47] <jinx_> Echylo: and apache does have mod_python afaik
[08:47] <encKe`> youll see what im talking bout once ur in there
[08:47] <pugio> Recommendations people -what's a good all purpose media player
[08:47] <pugio> I'm tired of getting all of these things to work
[08:47] <Sionide> mplayer
[08:47] <Echylo> k
[08:47] <Echylo> I'll look for it then
[08:48] <vi11e> well, archive manager opens when I want to specify a directory where I want to save something or do something.... you can also open archive manager in hoary from Applications -> accessories... when you open it , take "open" and you see the window where I should see the hidden folders but I can't get them visible
[08:48] <Sionide> encKe`, cant find any of these settings in here :s
[08:49] <encKe`> u running xp or win 2000?
[08:49] <murciano> ville sorry, I dunno :(
[08:50] <vi11e> anyone know?? it is irritating, if I can't get it show those hidden folders, I can't use one firefox extensions I really need :(
[08:50] <murciano> ville did you tried activating view hidden files on your files manager?
[08:50] <gpierce> hello
[08:50] <Sionide> encKe`, 2000 sorry, should have said.
[08:50] <encKe`>  under "Computer Settings", "Windows Settings", "Security Setting", "local Policies"
[08:51] <Sionide> i'm there
[08:51] <Sionide> i have these 3 things:
[08:51] <ompaul> ville if you use about:config in the address bar you can see what options are available to you in the mozilla family
[08:51] <Sionide> audit policy
[08:51] <Sionide> user rights assignment
[08:51] <Sionide> security options
[08:52] <encKe`> security options
[08:52] <encKe`> then local policies
[08:53] <ompaul> I wish one could register for I do not fall for spam and then the spam would stop :)
[08:53] <encKe`> slie the bar over so u can see the options
[08:53] <vi11e> ompaul I already installed a plug-in that I wish, but when I try configure it, I need to choose a file in a hidden folder and it pops up archive manager to browse there :S
[08:53] <encKe`> slide
[08:53] <Sionide> yeah got them all
[08:53] <ompaul> cd ville fire up a terminal cd .mozilla and use vi or some such on the fiel
[08:53] <izaac> someone who solve the problem: error stopping gdm on shutdown or reboot?
[08:54] <ompaul> file even
[08:54] <Sionide> ah ha
[08:54] <klaym> ville: why do you need to get to your extension files? aren't they configurable enough via firefox?
[08:54] <vi11e> hmm... murciano  and ompaul now in archive manager, I manage to get hidden files if I right click on just about in there and there is the option.... wasn't there when I didn't had a tag in show hidden files and folders in file browser.. oh well..
[08:55] <Sionide> send unencrptyed password to connect to third-party SMB servers?
[08:55] <encKe`> srry, i meant "security settings" "local policies" then "security option"
[08:55] <Sionide> enable that?
[08:55] <encKe`> yes
[08:55] <ions> my dmesg is flooded with 'hdc: lost interrupt' any idea what that means?
[08:55] <Sionide> got it, what were the other ones you said?
[08:55] <ions> I haven't used the cdrom at all
[08:55] <vi11e> klaym: I am configuring them via firefox, but in firefox there is the "browse" tab, which I click and it pops up the "archive manager"
[08:55] <encKe`>  also disable the 2 settings that say something like "if client agrees" (always)
[08:55] <gpierce> hi
[08:56] <Sionide> cant find them
[08:56] <vi11e> klaym: I added an extension that makes firefox to save certain filetypes to certain directories automatically, so it needs to browse my dirs
[08:56] <encKe`> Digially sign communication
[08:56] <encKe`> &
[08:56] <Sionide> ah
[08:56] <Sionide> they are disabled now
[08:56] <encKe`> Secure Channel: Digially
[08:57] <klaym> ville: ok. don't know
[08:57] <Sionide> dc17 i had no luck on the wireless thing but to be honest, it might be a hardware issue cos i couldnt get the fricking thing working under windows much either.. :/
[08:57] <encKe`> only the ones that say "always"
[08:58] <dc17> Sionide: that sucks
[08:58] <encKe`> Sionide, reboot then go to " MY Network Places", Entire Network and it should show up
[08:58] <Sionide> rebooting sucks..
[08:58] <Sionide> if i log out and log in will it do the same?
[08:58] <encKe`> :)  i know
[08:59] <Sionide> uptime[Windows 2000 Professional, Service Pack 4 (5.0 - 2195) uptime - 9h 36m 13s] 
[08:59] <Sionide> oh yeah
[08:59] <Sionide> no worries heh, it crashed earlier
[08:59] <Sionide> brb then
[09:00] <Bigglez> Anyone help with ATI graphics driver? I tried the synaptic route but it says Error 404...
[09:00] <jetscreamer> get the .rpm, and alien it. dpkg -i --force-overwrite atidrivers.deb
[09:02] <Bigglez> jet: So, the synaptic way is a dud then?
[09:02] <jetscreamer> Bigglez, i don't know. i just heard what works.
[09:03] <Torakiky> anyone from geramny?
[09:03] <Torakiky> anyone from germany?
[09:03] <Bigglez> jet: Thanks. I wonder who to tell when a package is not available for apt-get ?
[09:03] <jetscreamer> heh
[09:04] <Torakiky> anyone from germany?
[09:04] <SioBuntu> heh encKe` i made a little message box come up on bootup with that Groups Policy thingy
[09:04] <Bigglez> ok. ok.
[09:04] <SioBuntu> how do i restart samba from the command line?
[09:04] <Fator_Dee> Torakiky: there's no use in repeating that question over and over
[09:04] <Bigglez> I have another mystery: Mplayer cannot play DVD. It can forward fast them, but not play them?
[09:05] <SioBuntu> looked in the manual?
[09:05] <LiveX_w> Possible to run a LiveCD without a hardrive?
[09:05] <SioBuntu> im pretty sure it can
[09:05] <jetscreamer> yes LiveX_w
[09:05] <SioBuntu> LiveX_w, yeah it runs from the system RAM
[09:06] <jetscreamer> Bigglez, one thing may be a symlink: /dev/dvd that points to /dev/hdc or wherever
[09:06] <jetscreamer> among other things
[09:06] <LiveX_w> oh
[09:06] <Bigglez> jet: I have done all that stuff. Read the ubu-howto and all that jazz. Mplayer plays vids fine, but won't play a dvd.
[09:07] <Oo-0> heh, anyone wanna help me out with upgrading alsa to 1.0.8?
[09:07] <jetscreamer> i prefer xine-ui myself.
[09:07] <Bigglez> When I play a DVD in Xine I get a really corrupt image, sound is fine. Mplayer = black screen
[09:07] <jetscreamer> then if i have a problem i use xinecheck.
[09:07] <jetscreamer> or xine-check
[09:07] <jetscreamer> myabe you need codecs
[09:07] <Bigglez> xine-check reports all fine. complains about codecs, but I can play vids ok?
[09:07] <jetscreamer> w32codecs
[09:08] <Bigglez> I have all those /usr/lib/win32 things
[09:08] <LiveX_w> Whats the best brand to try this with?
[09:08] <jetscreamer> ah no idea then. mine works, all i know.
[09:08] <jetscreamer> brand?
[09:08] <Bigglez> damn.
[09:08] <hawke> LinuxJones: I suggest the circle-K
[09:09] <jetscreamer> Bigglez, if xine-check complains about codecs, maybe you need some still
[09:09] <Oo-0> no one here knows about alsa 1.0.8?
[09:10] <ImagistTD> Hi!  I finally got Ubuntu up and working!
[09:10] <LiveX_w> version ?
[09:10] <marco_g> Hi!
[09:10] <Bigglez> jet: Well, I don't understand why it plays avi and mpg etc all fine.
[09:10] <Bigglez> Anyway - I will try reinstall it
[09:11] <LiveX_w> How woulde one do this?
[09:11] <Bigglez> I seem to recall that Totem played a DVD fine. I have since gone over to KDE - maybe that has screwed things up.
[09:11] <Bigglez> Totem doesn't play DVD anymore... :(
[09:12] <HiddenWolf> bigglez: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[09:12] <jetscreamer> what he said ^^
[09:12] <pugio> ok something weird is going on
[09:12] <pugio> I'm trying to install mplayer
[09:12] <LiveX_w> I got 2 old systems without drives
[09:12] <pugio> but I keep getting errors in synaptic about dependencies
[09:12] <minimec> Bigglez: Hmm.. Try with sudo totem. Tell us what you get.
[09:13] <jetscreamer> pugio, got marillat in your sources?
[09:13] <pugio> when I try to install mplayer-k6
[09:13] <pugio> yeah I do
[09:13] <pugio> but I keep getting
[09:13] <jetscreamer> ya
[09:13] <pugio> "Depends libartsc0 but is not going to be installed"
[09:13] <Bigglez> totem-gstreamer I reckon - default ubu install
[09:13] <jetscreamer> install it
[09:13] <ImagistTD> I'm trying to get my WPC11 Version 3.7 Linksys Wireless B Notebook Adapter to work with Ubuntu.  Ubuntu is detecting the hardware, but I don't know what to do with the drivers and the bit in the Wiki is too general to be helpful.  Anyone care to give me a more thorough explanation?  I'm sorta new to this.
[09:13] <pugio> "Depends libribidi0 but 0.10.4-3 is to be installed"
[09:13] <Bigglez> ok brb etc
[09:13] <pugio> but I already have some of these libraries installed
[09:14] <minimec> Bigglez: (I repeat) Hmm.. Try with sudo totem. Tell us what you get.
[09:14] <jetscreamer> sometimes you can have too high a version installed and it borks stuff... no idea though.
[09:14] <LiveX_w> I'd like to use a linux live miniprototype GNoppix disk to run a extremely minimum OS
[09:14] <Oo-0> *sigh* how hard can it be to upgrade alsa from 1.0.5 to 1.0.8?
[09:15] <Bigglez> jet: hold on - trying sudo
[09:16] <Bigglez> I get: Totem cannot play this type of media (tmw_aspect_ratio_square_menu_item) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.
[09:16] <Bigglez> Which is news to me :)
[09:17] <minimec> Bigglez: Do you have the lidvdcss2 installed?
[09:17] <LiveX_w> Maybe another distribution is better ?
[09:17] <Bigglez> minimec: yes
[09:18] <tito> HELP please sudo mount /dev/sda1 /usb -t vfat -o umask=000
[09:18] <tito> reponse:
[09:18] <tito> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[09:18] <tito>        or too many mounted file systems
[09:18] <tito>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[09:18] <tito>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[09:18] <minimec> Bigglez: libdvdnav and libdvdread ... too, I guess
[09:19] <Bigglez> ummmm...
[09:19] <Bigglez> not sure.
[09:19] <mz2> how do i make qt apps look like my kde apps? that works in pretty much every other distro as default
[09:19] <LiveX_w> Woulde I need to edit the content of the ISO?
[09:19] <Bigglez> checking ...
[09:19] <vi11e> by the way, that download sort and other extension are under "OS=windows" in the addres bar but it works very well in my ubuntu
[09:19] <vi11e> firefox extension
[09:19] <Bigglez> mini: yes :)
[09:19] <anthonws> hello to all
[09:19] <tito> the fs is FAT32, whith fdisk -l > * /dev/sda1 system:
[09:20] <Torakiky> anyone from germany?
[09:20] <tito> FAT32
[09:20] <tito> but can't i mount it
[09:21] <tito> this memory stick i formated in win2000 (FAT32) and i added 5 archives
[09:21] <anthonws> does anyone has a atiixp sound card (toshiba a60) working with hoary?
[09:21] <minimec> Bigglez: hmmm... I have to think about that. This is strange...
[09:21] <LiveX_w> Would  the MINI ISO Need to be modded
[09:21] <dc17> tito: the usb drive doesn't mount automatically?
[09:22] <tito> no
[09:22] <dc17> tito: when I plug my usb flash drive in, it mounts after a few seconds
[09:22] <tito> i connect and try mount
[09:22] <tito> with the pc on?
[09:23] <Bigglez> minimec: thanks. It's v odd. Mplayer = black but can fwd dvd but then you get a still image (it won't play)
[09:23] <gustavor> on hoary, qt apps have very ugly appearence... how do I fix that?
[09:23] <Bigglez> minimec: Xine = plays fine, sound fine but image looks badly fuzzy and broken up.
[09:23] <LiveX_w> Anyone here using MiniPrototype 1
[09:23] <Bigglez> PS: Same DVD and DVD player worked fine in mplayer under Fedora 1
[09:24] <tito> the memory is kingstone 512mb
[09:24] <anthonws> hoary is full of "feelings".... one time works... after a reboot it doesnt...
[09:24] <SiRrUs> :)
[09:24] <anthonws> does anyone experience that?
[09:24] <dc17> tito: what does "fdisk -l /dev/sda" give you?
[09:25] <minimec> Bigglez: I see. So you use totem-gstreamer? If you tried totem-xine.
[09:25] <Bigglez> minimec: installing now. little slow. will see.
[09:25] <tito> /dev/sda1               1          60      481918+   b  W95 FAT32
[09:26] <dc17> tito: ok.  if you type "mount" do you see /dev/sda1?
[09:27] <dc17> tito: I think it shows up under /media/VOLUMENAME by default
[09:27] <Kano> hi
[09:27] <Kano> just tested the live cd
[09:27] <Kano> how come that there is no "mc" installed?
[09:27] <tseng> Kano: mc has never been in the desktop seed
[09:28] <Kano> and you never use a konsole?
[09:28] <Kano> i dont like, i use console
[09:28] <Kano> i dont like gui
[09:28] <Kano> and mc is optimal
[09:28] <tito> mount:
[09:28] <tito> mount
[09:28] <tito> /dev/hda5 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[09:28] <tito> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[09:28] <tito> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[09:28] <tito> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[09:28] <tito> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[09:28] <tito> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[09:29] <Kano> tseng: it is not big, should be added for users who don't want to click the whole time
[09:29] <Bigglez> minimec: totem-xine. Loads the DVD (no complaints). Says it's playing. No time advance. Blue screen...
[09:29] <ompaulAFK> tito just do df and see if it is mounted
[09:30] <Kano> so thats all, would be nice to add it
[09:30] <Kano> bye
[09:30] <tito> no
[09:30] <tito> in mount error
[09:30] <tseng> Kano: the main goal of the livecd is to show off the desktop and hardware detection
[09:30] <tseng> erm.
[09:30] <ompaulAFK> tseng, so be it
[09:30] <minimec> Bigglez: do you have the gstreamer-dvd package installed?
[09:31] <Bigglez> minimec: totem-xine as sudo plays DVD like Xine = bad video.
[09:31] <Bigglez> minimec: yes have that package too.
[09:31] <minimec> Bigglez: I think this could be the plugin that you need.
[09:32] <tito> dc17 can help me?
[09:32] <Bigglez> minimec: I have gstreamer-dvd already. Is this what you mean?
[09:32] <minimec> well. then I have really no idea, where the problem is. I use totem-xine and have no problems.
[09:32] <dc17> tito: not sure what to tell you
[09:32] <dc17> tito: things look ok
[09:32] <minimec> Bigglez: Yes. that's it.
[09:33] <Bigglez> mini: ok. Thanks for trying. I think KDE has screwed me up somehow. :(
[09:33] <tuxadermist> ok wtf, now I cant install K3b because of a confict with xdg-menu and gnome-menu ?
[09:33] <tito> in sudo mount /dev/sda1 /usb -t vfat -o umask=000 the reponse is:
[09:34] <dc17> tito: you could try "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/"
[09:34] <minimec> Bigglez: probably you're right.
[09:35] <Bigglez> mini: Ah damn! Bring on Kubuntu I say :) I might be forced to go Fedora again for a while :(
[09:35] <ompaul> Bigglez, live with the beauty that is gnome :)
[09:36] <dc17> tito: if you remove the drive and plug it back in do you see any output in /var/log/messages?
[09:36] <minimec> Bigglez: Hmm. I'm a 'Gnome' for years now and I am very happy with it.
[09:36] <Bigglez> ompauld: Don't get me started :) I'm beng nice right now !
[09:36] <dc17> tito: I get a bunch of usb, usb-storage, and sda messages when I plug the drive in
[09:37] <Bigglez> no offence. I liked Gnome too - just too slow for me I suppose.
[09:37] <neighborlee> Bigglez, you need kde why ;-)..gnome is less bloat and more stable ..I know this from experience albeit i'd like to see some of the kde features make it back top gnome ( edit menus could be easier)...
[09:37] <Bigglez> Maybe I will re-install ubu and learn to live with it too.
[09:37] <ikitat> Nautilus sees every file in my windows partition (vfat) as a file.  No directories!
[09:37] <apokryphos> Both KDE and GNome are great; I used to Gnome, but KDE has too much stuff to ignore; too many great apps.
[09:37] <neighborlee> Bigglez, thats the spirit ;00
[09:37] <Bigglez> cool.
[09:37] <minimec> Bigglez: Do that. You will be happy too. :-)
[09:38] <neighborlee> apokryphos, and the good news is you dont have to live without them...install kdelibs blah blah and your good to go ;-)
[09:38] <Bigglez> Yes KDE has some great apps! But then, so does GTK (Gnome)
[09:38] <neighborlee> apokryphos, I dont recommend it as I find kde buggy but hey if you can't live ;-))
[09:38] <Bigglez> Lee: True. I have a konqueror addiction too tho - you need whole KDE for that I think.
[09:38] <neighborlee> Bigglez, exactly
[09:38] <apokryphos> neighborlee: Yup; sure, that's the glory of Linux. Of course, though, they don't run as fast without being in kde.
[09:38] <apokryphos> I'm a kubuntu-er
[09:38] <ompaul> apokryphos, this is true, and I use kde apps myself, or I would loose my sanity with some stuff
[09:38] <neighborlee> np..kde works in ubuntu too...
[09:39] <neighborlee> apokryphos, and so easy to install ;-))
[09:39] <apokryphos> yup ;-)
[09:39] <Bigglez> At the risk of starting a war of some kind: can I ask about the speed of gnome?
[09:39] <nawty> gday folks
[09:39] <ompaul> Bigglez, you can
[09:39] <Bigglez> I find it very clunky. click... wait .... wait ... something
[09:40] <dc17> Bigglez: I find gnome way faster than KDE
[09:40] <neighborlee> Bigglez, what app(s) seem sluggish
[09:40] <Bigglez> Always thought so, right from Redhat 6 - my first linux
[09:40] <apokryphos> Bigglez: I find KDE faster, but don't take my word for it. :P
[09:40] <neighborlee> Bigglez, to me its speedy as heck...fastest gnome i've used inlcuding fedofra
[09:40] <neighborlee> ora
[09:40] <Bigglez> Well everything. the menus. nautilus
[09:40] <neighborlee> Bigglez, well..dont judge gome by nautilus..it IS a pig
[09:41] <Bigglez> I don't understand that. I have had like 4 different pc's since redhat 6 and they all suffered under Gnome
[09:41] <dc17> Bigglez: however, this may be that SuSE is way slower than Ubuntu
[09:41] <ompaul> Bigglez, just for the heck of it (pardon my swiss) have a look at the animation settings
[09:41] <neighborlee> Bigglez, I HIGHLY suggest something like gentoo for everyday stuff albeit nautilus has its strengths...but yeah its a bit slow wtih most defaults on...
[09:41] <neighborlee> gentoo as in the FM
[09:41] <Bigglez> I think a file-manager is a big part of a desktop system
[09:41] <neighborlee> fast lean and VERy customizable
[09:41] <Bigglez> and it should be fast!
[09:41] <apokryphos> I've never noticed this slowness on Nautilus; I always thought it was one of its strong points. But Konqi is my baby. :P
[09:42] <Bigglez> Konqueror is damn snappy and well powerful!
[09:42] <apokryphos> for everything other than washing the dishes ;)
[09:42] <neighborlee> apokryphos, well..files take a VERY long time to load up in nautilus....gentoo never does
[09:42] <matth> Hu folks
[09:42] <neighborlee> apokryphos, and I have a PIV 2.26 machine with one gig of ram and geforce4TI4200
[09:42] <ompaul> apokryphos, the kdish_washing_module is well broken :)
[09:42] <dc17> ompaul: where's the animation sertting?
[09:42] <apokryphos> neighborlee: My brother uses Gentoo; tried it quite a bit. Speed is certainly one of its great points.
[09:42] <ompaul> let me grab it
[09:42] <Bigglez> I wonder if it's a C++ thing - KDE being faster ?
[09:42] <apokryphos> ompaul: I hear those bugs are fixed, however, in 3.4 ;)
[09:43] <neighborlee> apokryphos, You do realize I mean the gentoo FM right ;-)
[09:43] <apokryphos> neighborlee: No :D. But I do now. ;)
[09:43] <jinx_> anyone know how to disable the screensaver when using mplayer?
[09:43] <apokryphos> Didn't know of its existence. That's interesting.
[09:43] <Bigglez> What does FM mean?
[09:43] <matth> Does anyone have encountered the problem to loose NTFS partition visibility from windows after insalling an ubuntu ?
[09:43] <farruinn> Bigglez: I really don't know what you're talking about KDE being faster than Gnome - hasn't been my experience, but I don't want to start a KDE vs. Gnome war here
[09:43] <apokryphos> Bigglez: File Manager
[09:43] <Bigglez> ah thanks
[09:43] <ikitat> matth I'm having problems, but it is fat32
[09:43] <Bigglez> No wars. just asking.
[09:44] <tjl2_> any Python experts in here?
[09:44] <matth> ikitat: actually I lost 2 parition, one fat32, and one NTFS
[09:44] <ikitat> matth, nautilus sees everything as a file, I can't drill down into directoies
[09:44] <apokryphos> farruinn: It's quite simple ;). KDE-users view KDE faster, and Gnome-users view Gnome faster. We're all drenched in prejudice. :P
[09:44] <neighborlee> apokryphos, im sure thats part of it yes <G>
[09:44] <matth> under Linux I got no problem at all, that's just that damn windows who cannot handle them anymore
[09:44] <searcher`> however; people running fluxbox know that one is the fastest ;-)
[09:44] <farruinn> :D
[09:45] <matth> yeah fluxbox rox :)
[09:45] <Bigglez> Apok: I feel that I want to like both and I feel that I am fair. In my real opinion and experience, KDE is faster.
[09:45] <Bigglez> Does Fluxbox have some kind of FM?
[09:45] <matth> Bigglez: nope fluxbox is just a window manager
[09:45] <Bigglez> Ok.
[09:45] <Bigglez> Any good FM you know?
[09:46] <searcher`> Bigglez: you can use Rox quite nicely with it though
[09:46] <matth> but a lot of people using fluxbox use 'rox' as file manager
[09:46] <Bigglez> And what about Enlightenment? There's a rocking new version on the way!
[09:46] <Bigglez> rox - thanks
[09:46] <satur[no> cioa a tutti
[09:46] <neighborlee> either rox or gentoo..I favor gentoo mainly because it reminds me  of  amiga app called directoryopus ;-00
[09:46] <satur[no> qualcuno sa come usare ubuntu?
[09:47] <matth> satur[no: that's an english speaking channel I guess...
[09:47] <matth> (I just arrived 2minutes ago though ;)
[09:47] <Bigglez> great. I have an old machine and I want to use UBU, but gnome will kill it dead. So flux and rox perhaps. Good stuff.
[09:48] <satur[no> matth ok
[09:48] <matth> Bigglez: yep sure, ore even blackbox, if you don't care all the stuff added by fluxbox
[09:48] <apokryphos> neighborlee: Ahh, it's not explicitly related to Gentoo. That explains it.
[09:48] <apokryphos> downloading now
[09:48] <Bigglez> Any distro's I can look at for old machines?
[09:49] <dc17> Bigglez:  how old?
[09:49] <Bigglez> pentium 1
[09:49] <Infiniting> hi
[09:49] <Bigglez> boots in 60 minutes
[09:49] <Bigglez> 0 to 100mghz in 10 years
[09:49] <ompaul> dc17 I am sure I saw one, _I_ hope it is not the kde one I am thinking of, in which case I will log off and come back in a few hours (which I have to do anyway ;))
[09:49] <Infiniting> i have 1 question please
[09:49] <tuxadermist> with less than a few weeks left I get the feeling Ubuntu isnt gonna be ready
[09:49] <Infiniting> can u help me?
[09:49] <dc17> Bigglez: I have debian running on a pentium 1, but it's a fileserver, no x
[09:50] <Bigglez> infiniting: ask your question.
[09:50] <apokryphos> neighborlee: Heh. Not so great on the aesthetic appeal side. ;-)
[09:50] <Infiniting> i have an xp 3200+ with 1 gb ddr 400
[09:50] <Infiniting> what kernell i need?
[09:50] <Bigglez> I will need X on this one. It's for some kids to learn about computers on.
[09:50] <Climber> Hello, I just wanted to know what is the file "modprobe.conf" called in Ubuntu? I only know it is called "modprobe.conf" in Fedora Core 3, but that file doesn't exist in Ubuntu...
[09:50] <pugio> ok I know this is a dumb question but... HOW can I play a music file in mplayer
[09:50] <dc17> tuxadermist: how so?  hoary is running great for me
[09:50] <pugio> all it seems to open are video files
[09:50] <Infiniting> now i have this : 2.6.8.1-3-386
[09:50] <apokryphos> Bigglez: "damn small linux" pops to mind
[09:51] <apokryphos> pugio: Have you installed the codecs?
[09:51] <Bigglez> apok: thanks - will google
[09:51] <blah09> or like slackware
[09:51] <Xappe> Infiniting, I would go for the k7 kernel
[09:51] <tuxadermist> dc17, if Gnome is still adding features then I dont see how, if there not then there missing things and this whole gnome-menus issue is gonna drive people nutz
[09:51] <Bigglez> Inifiniting: Damn. Not sure. Why not just install the latest Ubuntu cd?
[09:52] <blah09> this is a cool article: http://www.rabidhardware.net/index.php?id=43
[09:52] <minimec> Bigglez: If you tried xfce as WM. As I heard, it's a quiet fast WM.
[09:52] <gpierce> hello
[09:52] <ompaul> dc17, okay I found what I was looking for, it is not as I described it, an animation setting, it is the choice of theme to match your hardware
[09:52] <pugio> apokryphos: such as?
[09:52] <blah09> i think on a 100mhz i would use something lighter still, like fluxbox
[09:52] <apokryphos> %tell pugio uburestricted
[09:52] <Pyre> pugio: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:52] <Climber> I want to add the line "options bttv card [...] " to a file, but I don't know how that file is called in Ubuntu. Can you tell me the file name? I hope you know what I mean.
[09:52] <ompaul> dc17, there are heavy and light ones
[09:52] <nixman> anyone has ideas about implementing easily weekly/daily backup on ubuntu ?
[09:52] <Bigglez> Thanks all - I will go on a WM orgy and check them out.
[09:53] <minimec> Bigglez: :-)
[09:53] <blah09> hehe enjoy ;)
[09:53] <dc17> ompaul:  where does human fall on that scale?
[09:53] <gpierce> hope there is room here for one more voice
[09:53] <apokryphos> gpierce: Always ;-)
[09:53] <Bigglez> Oohh. My Syn-ap-sys! ! !
[09:53] <neighborlee> apokryphos, heh
[09:53] <dc17> Bigglez: check out tuxpaint for the kids
[09:53] <searcher`> nixman: rsnapshot.org
[09:53] <Bigglez> tah
[09:53] <pugio> apokryphos: and Pyre I did that
[09:53] <searcher`> awsome incremental backup using rsync
[09:53] <gpierce> apokryphos: thanks!
[09:53] <pugio> but I'm still having problems :(
[09:53] <ompaul> dc17, in my case flat on my face
[09:54] <apokryphos> pugio: Are other apps playing mp3s?
[09:54] <Infiniting> i am noobest in linuk and i dont know what kernell install
[09:54] <Pyre> hrm
[09:54] <neighborlee> apokryphos, its load time more than makes up for it though ..and its operating speed is amazing ..and its totally easy to transfer files from one pane to another...I just LOVE it
[09:54] <apokryphos> Infiniting: The K7 One.
[09:54] <pugio> apokryphos: well, so far, nothing is, but the point I'mm having is that I can't even find where to open the mp3 in mplayer
[09:54] <Bigglez> Infinitinining: Why do you ask? Have you already got a Linux that boots?
[09:54] <dc17> tuxadermist: i use bash instead of the gnome menus, so I hadn't noticed
[09:54] <apokryphos> neighborlee: Whatever floats your boat, I reckon.
[09:54] <Infiniting> what i tipe?
[09:54] <gpierce> has anyone managed to successfully use the CUPS web interface at http://localhost:631?
[09:54] <neighborlee> apokryphos, I love nautilus for one it offers but fore very day File maintenance gentoo rocks ( or rox but Ive never tried it)
[09:54] <pugio> apokryphos: all it has is an "open video" option
[09:54] <Infiniting> apt-get install ............... what?
[09:54] <gpierce> as root that is?
[09:55] <dc17> tuxadermist: but i can see how this would be an issue
[09:55] <tuxadermist> anyone know a way around the gnome-menu file confict and the xgd-menu ?
[09:55] <neighborlee> apokryphos, ;-)heh
[09:55] <JDahl> gpierce, I dont think you can with ubuntu.. you have to use the config tool from the menu
[09:55] <apokryphos> pugio: mplayer <file.mp3>
[09:55] <gpierce> i was afraid of that
[09:55] <gpierce> I have a xerox phaser 6200 DP
[09:55] <dc17> ompaul: human runs snappy on my machine.  SuSE 9.2 with KDE or Gnome was really sluggish
[09:56] <pugio> apokryphos: well, I was hoping for a gui option, but ok
[09:56] <tuxadermist> I am trying to install K3B and Amarok in Hoary and for some reason xgd and gnome-menu arent hot getting along,
[09:56] <ompaul> dc17, I did not know there was an wm called human
[09:56] <Infiniting> apt-get isnstall mplayer
[09:57] <dc17> ompaul: no, it's a gnome theme
[09:57] <ells> Infiniting, I do not believe mplayer is in the sources anymore
[09:57] <kent> tuxadermist, its a known problem. Will be fixed later.
[09:57] <matth> Infiniting: he should have the debian-marrilat url in his source.list isn't it ?
[09:57] <apokryphos> ells: it is
[09:57] <Infiniting> yes
[09:57] <Bandit> fixed when?
[09:57] <tuxadermist> later ?  nice.  so today i cant burn a cd
[09:57] <ells> apokryphos, which source is providing that for you
[09:57] <Infiniting> change your source list
[09:58] <pugio> matth: and Infiniting I do have that
[09:58] <Infiniting> 1 sec
[09:58] <apokryphos> ells: Could be one of the extra ones I added; hold on.
[09:58] <matth> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main <-- stuff like that huh ?
[09:58] <ells> apokryphos, cool
[09:58] <pugio> it's this whole adio thing
[09:58] <kent> tuxadermist, some times files in diffrent packaes conflict. They get fixed after a while. I read on the devel channel before that they know about it, so when they get the time over they will fix it.
[09:58] <pugio> it only works when I'm logged in as root
[09:58] <Infiniting> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <Infiniting> deb ftp://ftp.ubuntu-es.org/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[09:59] <Infiniting> deb ftp://ftp.ubuntu-es.org/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[09:59] <Infiniting> deb ftp://ftp.ubuntu-es.org/ubuntu/ warty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:59] <apokryphos> pugio: You can play from the GUI
[09:59] <Infiniting> and add this
[09:59] <Infiniting> coment others
[09:59] <apokryphos> pugio: Click on the "up" arrow
[09:59] <pugio> apokryphos: right, it doesn't show audio files, it only looks for video
[09:59] <apokryphos> ells: Hmm, I have no idea how to find out which one it comes from, other than editing each one out individually.
[09:59] <blah09> Infiniting, is there somewhere you can find ubuntu mirrors near to you?
[09:59] <Bandit> kent k3b just stopped today it has been working fine
[10:00] <ells> apokryphos, cool
[10:00] <apokryphos> pugio: Change the thing at the bottom. Click on the "/"
[10:00] <tuxadermist> kent, thanks for the info, not that patient today, wanted to use k3b cause i cant seem to make anything erase a cd
[10:00] <tuxadermist> hehe
[10:00] <searcher`> tuxadermist: you could try using cdrecord from the command line
[10:00] <searcher`> or install gcombust
[10:01] <Infiniting> try
[10:01] <blah09> gnomebaker isnt bad either
[10:01] <Infiniting> coment others and add these
[10:01] <Infiniting> and sai me
[10:01] <kent> graveman is a program that works aswell for burning CDs.
[10:01] <Infiniting> scuse my english but i am spanish
[10:01] <Infiniting> mi english is very bad
[10:02] <pugio> alright
[10:02] <minimec> Infiniting: francais, deutsch?
[10:02] <tromik> hello, having a bit of trouble
[10:02] <tuxadermist> searcher`, i could try it, just not into cli apps.  But i got nothing else todo at the moment :)
[10:03] <tito> i have problems with a memory stick Kingston because i connect other memory stick and Ubuntu detect and mount directly
[10:03] <Infiniting> french better
[10:03] <pugio> Ok, I can only access my audio device while as root
[10:03] <Infiniting> je compren mieux
[10:03] <pugio> how can I allow my normal account to view root?
[10:03] <tito> the kingston memory is not possible to install
[10:03] <minimec> Infiniting: alors parlons en francais.
[10:03] <Infiniting> ok
[10:04] <tito> i need drivers?
[10:04] <minimec> Infiniting: ou est ton probleme?
[10:04] <Infiniting> se kell le probleme
[10:04] <Infiniting> ?
[10:04] <Infiniting> amm
[10:04] <Infiniting> je ne sais pas que kernell instelle pou ma machine
[10:04] <pugio> please? how can I allow normal users to access my audio device?
[10:04] <pugio> right now only root can access it
[10:05] <minimec> Infiniting: c'est quoi comme machine?
[10:05] <Infiniting> maintenan jai sela 2.6.8.1-3-386
[10:05] <Infiniting> k7 3200xp
[10:05] <Infiniting> avec 1gb ddr 400
[10:05] <tromik> hi, I'm trying to do sudo apt-get install X but then terminal says "can't find X", i updated and upgraded yesterday, all ive been able to installl this way is xmms
[10:06] <minimec> Infiniting: il existe pour warty le 2.6.8.1.5
[10:06] <apokryphos> tromik: Are you on Hoary?
[10:06] <Infiniting> et ce nais pas un 386?
[10:06] <nubeiro> hi
[10:06] <minimec> Infiniting: tu peux le charger avec le programme apt-get.
[10:06] <Infiniting> ca doi etre un 686 je croi non?
[10:06] <nubeiro> anyone with an ibook ?
[10:06] <tromik> apokryphos: on Hoary?
[10:07] <nubeiro> quelqu'un avec un ibook?
[10:07] <apokryphos> tromik: The latest distribution (though technically in developement)
[10:07] <vincentMX> can you install KDE and gnome?
[10:07] <Infiniting> je sais me alor jecris coi? apt-get install ...............
[10:07] <apokryphos> vincent: Yes
[10:07] <ells> apokryphos, I added those sources and here is what I got for mplayer The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:07] <ells>   mplayer-386: Depends: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[10:07] <ells>                         libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[10:07] <ells>                Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[10:07] <ells>                Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[10:07] <nubeiro> i need some help with xorg
[10:07] <Xappe> hmm, has this channel turned french all of a sudden?
[10:07] <pugio> how come I have to be root to access my audio device?
[10:07] <tromik> as far as i know, its no the live CD
[10:07] <minimec> Infiniting: attends:
[10:07] <geargolem> hello
[10:07] <Infiniting> ok
[10:07] <nubeiro> hi
[10:08] <vincentMX> what the fuck are al those french people doing here?
[10:08] <matth> pugio: check the rights on your audio device
[10:08] <nubeiro> anyone with ppc?
[10:08] <apokryphos> ells: That's weird. Perhaps you need more sources. Wait, I'll link you to mine.
[10:08] <geargolem> yafray in blender?
[10:08] <ells> thanks
[10:08] <apokryphos> %tell ells ubusources
[10:08] <Pyre> ells: http://youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list
[10:08] <pugio> matth where would that be located? /dev/dsp?
[10:08] <matth> vincentMX: hey i'm french and don't bother you speaking french
[10:08] <minimec> Infiniting: tu fais... sudo apt-cache search linux-image
[10:08] <tito> i need drivers for a memory stick kingstone 512
[10:08] <matth> pugio: depends what core you got
[10:08] <tito> ??
[10:08] <ells> Pyre, thanks
[10:09] <apokryphos> ells: He thanks you back. ;-)
[10:09] <nubeiro> can anyone help me pleez? I have hoary on my ibook and I would like to get suspend to work
[10:09] <Infiniting> sa sa vas chairchez non?
[10:09] <ells> yeap
[10:09] <minimec> Infiniting: tu recois une liste avec les kernel a disposition.
[10:09] <vincentMX> i'm dutch but still i don't start spekin dutch, go to a french server
[10:09] <tromik> apokryphos: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso is the one i burnt and installed
[10:09] <minimec> Infiniting: oui, ca va chercher.
[10:09] <matth> pugio: you should have if running alsa this programm /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices
[10:10] <matth> who make all the work for you
[10:10] <Infiniting> ok je resu la liste
[10:10] <apokryphos> tromik: Yeah, that's Warty -- the official "stable" version, though not many use it now, I don't think. At least, not most in here.
[10:10] <Infiniting> je choisi kell?
[10:10] <vincentMX>  /join #ubuntu-fr for if you wanna speak french
[10:10] <apokryphos> tromik: Apologies, but I won't be able to help... I only ever used Warty for about half a day myself.
[10:10] <AndyR> any clamav experts here?
[10:10] <Infiniting> aveqe smp? ou non?
[10:11] <Nightie> Hello, anyone installed FreeMind here?
[10:11] <nubeiro> caon anyone help me with ubuntu ppc?
[10:11] <vincentMX> what the fuck are al those french people doing here?
[10:11] <AndyR> ompaul, that bad?
[10:11] <ompaul> no good
[10:11] <ompaul> :)
[10:11] <vincentMX> can you install KDE and gnome?
[10:11] <minimec> Infiniting: maintenant tu choisi le linux-image que tu veux. Je te propose linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-686 si tu a un 'pentium'
[10:12] <AndyR> ompaul, you use it?
[10:12] <Infiniting> jai un k7
[10:12] <apokryphos> vincentMX: The site doesn't seem to mention the French IRC on the http://www.ubuntulinux.org. That might be why. Will add it in.
[10:12] <geargolem> blender and yafray in ubuntu....
[10:12] <pugio> matth: that does a lot of stuff
[10:12] <nubeiro> can anyone help me with ubuntu ppc?
[10:12] <minimec> Infiniting: tu l'installe avec sudo apt-get linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-686
[10:12] <minimec> Infiniting: tu l'installe avec sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-686
[10:12] <vincentMX>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[10:12] <Infiniting> sa vas avec un k7?
[10:12] <matth> yes pugio that create your audio devices with the good rights hopefully
[10:12] <alexissoft> Infiniting, /join #ubuntu-fr
[10:12] <apokryphos> vincentMX: On Ubuntu? Yes you can.
[10:13] <minimec> Infiniting: attends!
[10:13] <Nightie> Can someone help installing FreeMind?
[10:13] <alexissoft> Infiniting, et tu fait a vite hein car ici c'est un canal *anglais*
[10:13] <vincentMX> i know
[10:13] <minimec> Infiniting: tu l'installe avec sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-k7
[10:13] <ells> apokryphos, are you running hoary or warty
[10:13] <minimec> Infiniting: il existe un kernel k7
[10:13] <Infiniting> ok but i am spanish :) but in spanish room nobody reponse
[10:13] <apokryphos> ells: Hoary. Sorry, should have mentioned that before. Are you not?
[10:14] <ells> naw, I can update if worth it
[10:14] <Infiniting> minimec: lot of thanks
[10:14] <apokryphos> ells: If you've got a decent connection, I definitely recommend it.
[10:14] <minimec> Infiniting: no problem. :-)
[10:14] <apokryphos> ells: Real simple, of course.
[10:14] <ells> apokryphos, I do
[10:14] <apokryphos> %tell ells ubuhoary
[10:14] <Pyre> ells: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[10:14] <tromik> anyone able to give me help with Warty in here?
[10:15] <ells> right, apokryphos, I need skins
[10:15] <nubeiro> can anyone help me with ubuntu ppc?
[10:15] <apokryphos> ells: skins for?
[10:15] <ells> mplayer
[10:16] <apokryphos> ells: Hmm, I think you might have to manually download the package. Doesn't seem to be in the repos.
[10:16] <ells> do I need any additional sources for the upgrade to hoary? I followed the link that was provided by Pyre. They are a little different
[10:16] <ells> apokrypohos, cool
[10:16] <erlend> is it possible to downgrade from hoary? it is terribly buggy i think. gnome has crashed many times, and now i can't even start it. after i login, nothing happens! i have tried deleting /tmp/* and restarting my computer, but it is the same..
[10:16] <erlend> and ideas?
[10:17] <apokryphos> ells: The one in that link is the basic standard Ubuntu repos. The one I provided earlier on the youmortals website was my sources.list
[10:17] <nubeiro> did you delete ~/.ICE*?
[10:17] <ells> apokryphos, so yours will work then
[10:17] <nubeiro> and ~/.xsession??
[10:17] <apokryphos> erlend: Buggy? I haven't seen a single bug. But, sure, I think altering your sources will do it.
[10:17] <apokryphos> ells: It sure will.
[10:17] <ells> thanks man
[10:17] <apokryphos> np :)
[10:17] <ells> I commence to changing my stuff
[10:17] <erlend> nubeiro: no, but i will now :)
[10:18] <erlend> apokryphos: not really.. when i try apt-get dist-upgrade it only tries to install kernel 2.6.8
[10:18] <apokryphos> erlend: Actually, I have noticed one bug (putting aside repos dependency issues). Configuring the panel; that's pretty much it.
[10:19] <apokryphos> erlend: You should specifically select your kernel to install initially.
[10:19] <erlend> apokryphos: and let's not forget the very annoying fact that the menu is practically un-alterable in hoary
[10:19] <apokryphos> erlend: Check the tweaking thread in the forums.
[10:19] <apokryphos> erlend: That's the one I mentioned ;-)
[10:20] <erlend> ah
[10:20] <geargolem> yafray and blender in ubuntu?
[10:20] <elodie01> bonjour
[10:20] <erlend> apokryphos: what was that kernel thing you just said?
[10:20] <apokryphos> %tell erlend ubutweaking
[10:20] <Pyre> erlend: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[10:26] <gpierce> Aha! I have succeeded in logging on as root to http://localhost:631.  I can now print!  I replaced the stock ubuntu cupsys with the one from the debian unstable repository which did not have the restrictiveness of the ubuntu one!
[10:27] <nubeiro> erlend, is it workging now?
[10:27] <dc17> gpierce: there was no way to "unrestrict" the ubuntu version?
[10:28] <gpierce> I wouldn't have done this if only I could have had my xerox color printer working.  Xerox provided a little utility which pretty much configures cupsys.  The only problem was you had to get into admin acct.
[10:28] <gpierce> dc17: I could not find one.
[10:28] <Xappe> gpierce, should be configurable by editing the cupsd.conf
[10:28] <Slike> hello, how do I start gconftool-2 ? it seems to do nothing...even not from console command line with sudo....i only get some list (textual) of options
[10:28] <JDahl> gpierce, I think you can still do all the things with the lpadmin + friends tools... just not localhost:631
[10:29] <gpierce> I hope I didn't break anything else.
[10:29] <gpierce> You are probably right, but the little script that Xerox provided kind of required it or seemed to.
[10:30] <thechitowncubs> Hey, what would make ubuntu run fast on a slow Pentium II computer with only 192mb of ram?
[10:30] <gpierce> Damn, that took almost all afternoon to figure out!
[10:30] <dc17> thechitowncubs: can you add more ram?
[10:31] <Xappe> thechitowncubs, XFce maybe?
[10:31] <LinuxJones> thechitowncubs, xfce
[10:31] <regeya> thechitowncubs: either add more ram, or use something like xfce, icewm, windowmaker, etc.
[10:31] <thechitowncubs> is that available on the default repo's?
[10:31] <LinuxJones> thechitowncubs, yeah it's in the universe repository
[10:31] <pugio> anyone gotten rosegarden4 to work on ubuntu?
[10:31] <thechitowncubs> I currently have icewm, but it is painfully ugly and not useable
[10:31] <regeya> bear in mind that if you use something other than gnome or xfce, you'll be labeled unclean by gnome zealots *ducks*
[10:31] <JDahl> thechitowncubs, I am running Warty/Gnome fine with pIII/256MB...
[10:32] <thechitowncubs> sudo apt-get install xfce ???
[10:32] <thechitowncubs> that all i have to do
[10:32] <jnk> pugio, just tried it and it didn't work... tried installing kde but it didn't help
[10:32] <pugio> hmmm
[10:32] <LinuxJones> thechitowncubs, yeah
[10:32] <tidalwav1> Hi, all...I'm having trouble with the game Stepmania and ALSA
[10:32] <tidalwav1> Stepmania is outputting an error that I'm not sure how to inerpret
[10:33] <thechitowncubs> thanks for the quick help, time to go install
[10:33] <jnk> if someone knows a good gnome/gtk app for music composition...
[10:33] <LinuxJones> thechitowncubs, GL :)
[10:33] <tidalwav1> 00:02.099: Initializing driver: ALSA
[10:33] <tidalwav1> 00:02.434: ALSA: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 (Mon May 17 14:31:44 2004 UTC).
[10:33] <tidalwav1> 00:02.449: ALSA Driver: 0: au8820 [au8820] , device 0: AU88x0 ADB [adb] , 16/16 subdevices avail
[10:33] <tidalwav1> 00:02.451: ALSA Driver: 0: au8820 [au8820] , device 3: AU88x0 WT [wt] , 32/32 subdevices avail
[10:33] <tidalwav1> 00:02.476: ALSA error: pcm_hw.c:344 snd_pcm_hw_hw_params: SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HW_PARAMS failed (Device or resource busy)
[10:33] <tidalwav1> 00:02.476: ALSA: dsnd_pcm_hw_params: Device or resource busy
[10:33] <Xappe> tidalwav1, have you tried to kill the soundserver?
[10:33] <tidalwav1> Xappe: how do I do that
[10:33] <jnk> tidalwav1, type: pkill esd
[10:33] <Xappe> warty or hoary?
[10:33] <tidalwav1> okay
[10:33] <tidalwav1> I tried pkilling the mixer applet
[10:34] <tidalwav1> warty
[10:34] <Xappe> killall esd
[10:34] <tidalwav1> okay
[10:34] <tidalwav1> (I tried hoary, but my internet was acting flaky.)
[10:34] <copilot> Hi, does anyone have the time to walk me through setting up an ftp server?
[10:34] <tidalwav1> copilot: sure, man.
[10:34] <copilot> pm?
[10:34] <tidalwav1> sure, go for it
[10:34] <pugio> jnk hmm I think i may have it
[10:34] <jnk> pugio, what is it?
[10:35] <tromik> anyone able to give me help with Warty in here?
[10:35] <Xappe> tromik, probably
[10:36] <pugio> jnk well, I got it to start once
[10:36] <pugio> but not again, so hang on
[10:36] <jnk> ok :)
[10:37] <erlend_> aaah
[10:37] <tidalwav1> k, pkill esd and killall esd is giving me the same error
[10:37] <Pyre> yeah
[10:37] <erlend_> i am so frustrated. now gnome will not start again. just stops after the login screen. i have tried deleting /tmp/* /tmp/.* ~/.ICE* .. STILL doesn't start. i guess it was just luck the last time
[10:38] <anthonws> anyone with 2.6.11-686 image?
[10:38] <ozan> hi, i am trying to install mencoder but couldn't succeed. i get the error: "Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050110-0.0) but it is not going to be installed". where can i find this file? i tried to install this libavcodeccvs but it also gives me "depend" error.
[10:38] <tidalwav1> ozan: you need to uncomment the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list.
[10:38] <tidalwav1> ozan: the file has to be edited as root.
[10:38] <ozan> i did
[10:39] <ozan> they are all uncommended
[10:39] <jnk> anthonws, I tried it but it had a broken patch applied that made it unusable at the time, I don't know if it'sfixed  (the same patch was applied to 2.8.10, but reverted)
[10:39] <tidalwav1> ozan: do you have multiverse as a source
[10:39] <ozan> yes and also Marillat's repository
[10:40] <tidalwav1> ozan: did you try apt-get update, apt-get install -f?
[10:40] <ozan> oups sorry there is no multiverse
[10:40] <tidalwav1> :) try adding multiverse
[10:40] <ozan> just uni
[10:40] <ions> when I try and start grip nothing happens
[10:40] <ozan> ok thx
[10:41] <jnk> ozan, just checked, it's in Marillat's main
[10:41] <ions> running it from terminal leaves no error
[10:41] <tidalwav1> what is this Marillat
[10:41] <tidalwav1> lol
[10:42] <jnk> he is a debian developper
[10:42] <anthonws> jnk, after i login in gdm it frezzes.... completly....
[10:42] <jnk> and he maintains a repository of packages that are unacceptable for official debian
[10:42] <jnk> anthonws, it was the same for me
[10:43] <jnk> anthonws, you can't use this package, it's broken. Compile the kernel yourself without the broken patch,, or use 2.6.10
[10:43] <ions> anyone here use grip?
[10:43] <anthonws> jnk, it's what i'm using but....
[10:44] <tidalwav1> yeah, so killall esd is not helping stepmania...any other ideas/
[10:44] <anthonws> jnk, i was trying to use it to see if it would solve some of my problems
[10:44] <jnk> anthonws, well no luck for now :) what are your problems ?
[10:44] <tromik> xappe: I want to install xine and the ubuntu guide just says "sudo apt-get install X" but then i get an arror msg "X can not be found", what am I doing wrong?
[10:44] <anthonws> jnk, sound card...
[10:45] <jnk> anthonws, what computer do you have ?
[10:45] <anthonws> jnk, some times works... others not... a toshiba a60 (atiixp sound or AC 97)
[10:45] <jnk> ions, I just installed grip and it works from the menu... (using hoary)
[10:46] <ions> k definately a problem...grip is starting to appear. about 4 minutes after I typed in the command
[10:46] <fsc> what package has the gl and glx headers?
[10:46] <fsc> is it mesa?
[10:46] <ions> sound juicer is not starting either
[10:46] <anthonws> jnk, what i cant understand is why it seems the system has "feelings".... really! at one boot the sound card is working... the other not
[10:47] <jnk> anthonws, when it doesn't work, do you get any error, or just no sound ?
[10:47] <Xappe> tromik, I guess that there is no package with the name X
[10:48] <ells> apokryphosawa, I am backing up all my data first
[10:48] <anthonws> jnk, the error message is that no dsp (device) in available, but in device manager the hardware is there
[10:48] <ozan> i added multiverse to source.list but it still gives me depend error. Also i tried apt-get install -f option
[10:51] <jnk> anthonws, and the alsa module is loaded ?
[10:52] <ions> I tried to start CD Player about 10 minutes ago and it's just appearing now
[10:52] <anthonws> jnk, yes. during oot i can see the module loading and, it displays [ok] 
[10:53] <anthonws> jnk, but i can show you the lsmod
[10:53] <ions> it isn't working correctly of course, just a white window with a title bar
[10:53] <jnk> anthonws, in pv
[10:53] <minimec> ions: what about the other applications? Are thy running normally?
[10:53] <anthonws> jnk, ok
[10:55] <ions> everything else seems ok
[10:55] <fsc> what package has the gl and glx headers and dev libraries? mesa?
[10:55] <ions> grip and gnome-cd are the only 2 I've had a problem with
[10:55] <ions> oh yeah and totem takes forever to start as well
[10:56] <jnk> ions, but otherwise you can access your cd-rom drive without problem?
[10:56] <ions> top doesn't show it hanging on anything
[10:56] <ions> first time I'm trying with this install (install is 2 days old)
[10:56] <minimec> ions: ok. I was thinking, that you could have the 'kacpi'-problem.
[10:57] <ions> ok just got feedback here
[10:57] <ions> $ gnome-cd
[10:57] <ions> (gnome-cd:12564): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkmain.c: line 1231 (gtk_main_quit): assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed
[10:57] <minimec> ions: ... but if the other apps run normally, then you have other problems.
[10:57] <ions> that took about 3 minutes to appear
[10:59] <ions> just tried grip again
[10:59] <ions> I'll let you know when something finally happens
[11:00] <ions> oh it started this time
[11:00] <ions> ooook
[11:00] <ions> took long enough though
[11:00] <julkie> hOLa
[11:00] <julkie> alguien abla espaol?
[11:01] <ions> when I try and quit it's not responding and I have to force wuit
[11:01] <ions> *quit
[11:02] <julkie> tengo un problema con el audio... esta vez que instale ubuntu no instalo la tarjeta.. alguien save que puedo aser?
[11:02] <AndyR> how do i restart cups?
[11:02] <tidalwav1> andyr: cupsd? :P
[11:02] <bob2> julkie: this is (obviously) an English-speaking channel
[11:02] <ions>  /etc/init.d/cupsd restart?
[11:02] <minimec> AndyR: sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart
[11:02] <GammaRay>  /etc/init.d/cupssys restart
[11:03] <julkie> sorry
[11:03] <GammaRay> err /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[11:03] <julkie> im looking someone speak spanish =(
[11:04] <AndyR> thank you all :)
[11:04] <LinuxJones> julkie, join #ubuntu-es
[11:04] <julkie> ohh tanks!!!
[11:04] <anthonws> julkie, portuguese would help? heheh
[11:05] <julkie> emmm pues parece espaol xD
[11:05] <anthonws> julkie, qual o problema?
[11:06] <difeta> hey all! I'm running the warty live cd. How do it mount the hard drive? I need to copy data off it before reformatting.
[11:06] <julkie> ubuntu no instalo mi tarjeta de video esta vez
[11:06] <julkie> quiero saver como instalo manualmente
[11:06] <AndyR> do i need to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf so i can admin from localhost:631?
[11:07] <anthonws> julkie, entra em privado por favor
[11:07] <minimec> difeta: what filesystem is on your harddrive?
[11:07] <difeta> minimec, ntfs
[11:09] <AndyR> anyone?
[11:09] <yfir> hi
[11:10] <yfir> anyone know how to get external subtitle files, such as .srt, to work with totem-xine?
[11:10] <minimec> difeta: Hmmm... I never worked with the ubuntu live-cd. I don't know, if you can write in ntfs with the live-cd.
[11:10] <difeta> minimec, i dont want to write only read
[11:10] <dev3> Has anyone been able to play World of Warcraft on Ubuntu?
[11:11] <minimec> difeta: ok. Let's try. Do you have a usb stick or something?
[11:11] <Xappe> AndyR, check the file...it is quite straight forward I believe
[11:11] <difeta> minimec, yeah
[11:12] <|QuaD|> dev3: thats a win32 game not a linux game
[11:12] <WillCooke> I've got a problem!  My /dev/hdb1 won't mount.  It claims to be busy. Any ideas anyone?
[11:12] <difeta> minimec, fdisk -l reports that is could not open /dev/hda, but I just thoguht that this is probably because I'm not root.
[11:12] <dev3> I know.
[11:12] <WarriorSlayer> hi guys
[11:12] <minimec> difeta: ok make a directory /winxp or so. Then sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /winxp
[11:12] <dev3> Using Wine maybe?
[11:12] <WarriorSlayer> someone can help me with the istallation making the bootdisk?
[11:13] <|QuaD|> dev3: ohhh
[11:13] <difeta> minimec, yeah, i forgot to be root. Just a sec while the live cd boots
[11:13] <WarriorSlayer> when i give the place where to install lilo
[11:13] <WarriorSlayer> i give /dev/fd0
[11:13] <WarriorSlayer> expecting it will install in the floppy
[11:13] <SioBuntu> hmm
[11:13] <WarriorSlayer> but it fails
[11:14] <SioBuntu> how do i access windows shares from ubuntu?
[11:14] <SioBuntu> i've set up samba to access ubuntu home dirs from windows, but it doesn't work the other way
[11:14] <SioBuntu> i can see the other machines on the network, but cant browse their files
[11:15] <selinium_> can anyone help with setting up a epson stylus color 760 printer?
[11:15] <|QuaD|> SioBuntu: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[11:16] <WarriorSlayer> someone help me setting the lilo or any bootdisk for the ubuntu?
[11:16] <|QuaD|> WarriorSlayer: ubuntu uses grub
[11:17] <WarriorSlayer> |QuaD| yep
[11:17] <WarriorSlayer> but
[11:17] <funto> Hi everybody
[11:17] <WarriorSlayer> when i place /dev/fd0 to the grub installer
[11:17] <WarriorSlayer> it fails
[11:18] <funto> could someone help me? Yesterday Ubuntu's sound worked very well but today I don't have any sound :'(
[11:18] <|QuaD|> funto: what did you do
[11:18] <funto> nothing !
[11:18] <funto> I don't understand
[11:18] <|QuaD|> funto: i find that hard to believe... did you restart, ugrade... what
[11:19] <funto> I don't know...
[11:19] <funto> I really think I haven't done anything
[11:19] <|QuaD|> funto: then i don't know how to help you
[11:19] <funto> :(
[11:19] <funto> thanks...
[11:20] <|QuaD|> np, when you figure out what you did, come back and i will try to help
[11:20] <jnk> funto, do you get any error (this is the no-sound day)
[11:20] <funto> no, I just haven't sound
[11:20] <funto> and it isn't for hardware failure
[11:21] <funto> it works well with Windows
[11:21] <WarriorSlayer> alsamixer
[11:21] <WarriorSlayer> try the alsamixer
[11:21] <funto> I've run it
[11:21] <|QuaD|> funto: SO YOU DID RESTART!!!
[11:21] <funto> nothing is off
[11:21] <WarriorSlayer> hummm
[11:21] <WarriorSlayer> try the window manager sound bar
[11:21] <funto> it is ok too
[11:21] <WarriorSlayer> :/
[11:22] <WarriorSlayer> so bad
[11:22] <funto> you mean the button for controling the volume?
[11:22] <WarriorSlayer> |QuaD| man
[11:22] <WarriorSlayer> when i go install grub
[11:22] <WarriorSlayer> what i place to it install in the floppy device?
[11:22] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i finally got xmms to output an actual error when i tried to run it
[11:22] <sid77> Array 4 is released: http://cdimage... <-- isn't the array-5 already out ;)
[11:22] <sid77> ?
[11:22] <|QuaD|> WarriorSlayer: i have never installed grub/lilo, sorry, i usually just use the one installed on my distro] 
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[11:23] <dc17> sid77: array 5 is out
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> what the heck does that error mean?
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> and what do i do to fix it?
[11:23] <|QuaD|> shadeofgrey: did you try googling that error?
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> |Quad|:  Nope
[11:24] <sid77> dc17, I know, I was just pointing out that the topic is collecting dust :)
[11:24] <|QuaD|> shadeofgrey: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2262.html
[11:24] <|QuaD|> shadeofgrey: first reply when i googled it :)
[11:24] <GregoryD> has anyone tried gxmame yet? on Ubuntu?  I can get it to scan mame and audit my files, but nothing shows up in any of the folders afterwards
[11:24] <helio7> hey If I just added a launcher to a submenu in the applications menu by running sudo nautilus applications:/// and then dropping it in multimedia, it's visible in nautilus, but not on the menu.  Any ideas why this is?
[11:24] <GregoryD> just wondering if it's a problem with the version on the repository
[11:25] <selinium_> heloi7: you need to restart gnome for it to be seen
[11:25] <WarriorSlayer> someone can help me installing grub in a floppy?
[11:25] <ions> just restart gnome-panel
[11:25] <helio7> I thought i did that by logging out. here goes again thansk selinium
[11:25] <ions> kill -1 gnome-panel(pid)
[11:26] <selinium_> heloi7: save everything and control/alt backspace
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> i dont believe it!  sonofa...  it worked!
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> thanks Quad!  your THE MAN
[11:26] <WillCooke> Is anyone familiar with the Wiki? How do I add a page to the how-to's?
[11:26] <|QuaD|> shadeofgrey: thank google :)
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> or.. THE WOMAN
[11:27] <Yomic> Where can I find a list of supported hardware for ubuntu and other linux distros?
[11:27] <ions> linuxhardware.org
[11:27] <WarriorSlayer> someone can help me installing grub in a floppy?
[11:27] <OrangeSlice> www.linux-tested.com
[11:27] <|QuaD|> shadeofgrey: man :)
[11:27] <selinium_> Can anyone help with a printer install. I have googled but still dont get it!
[11:28] <p-fox> hi all. how do I unrar things? i've installed it from universe, but anything i try to open gives an error
[11:28] <OrangeSlice> install rar
[11:28] <p-fox> OrangeSlice, not unrar?
[11:28] <OrangeSlice> unrar comes with rar
[11:28] <WarriorSlayer> someone can help me installing grub in a floppy?
[11:29] <p-fox> apparently rar is installed
[11:29] <OrangeSlice> use 'rar x <archive>'
[11:29] <jnk> p-fox, use unrar-nonfree
[11:29] <p-fox> jnk, ok i'll try it
[11:29] <OrangeSlice> or that
[11:29] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[11:30] <Xappe> unrar e <archive>
[11:30] <stuNNed> unrar sucks, use rar
[11:31] <jnk> I think the free unrar doesn't support newer files (with newer algorithm or someting)
[11:31] <Xappe> well, I got mine from rarlabs.com
[11:32] <usual> I installed winrar in wine
[11:32] <usual> works great heh
[11:33] <Fator_Dee> is there somewhere a definite howto on making an internet-radio with ubuntu?
[11:33] <Xappe> usual, feels like cheating :)
[11:33] <jnk> never got any problem with unrar-nonfree from multiverse ...
[11:34] <Xappe> jnk, that one should be the same as the one @ rarlabs
[11:34] <jnk> ok
[11:34] <Xappe> i guess
[11:37] <p-fox> thanks for the help - working now :)
[11:39] <elmaya> in hoary...how to play mp3?
[11:39] <apokryphos> elmaya: See the article on ubuntulinux.org about restricted formats
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:40] <elmaya> mmm
[11:41] <helio7> If mplayer crashes when I try and play a DVD would you think it's possible an error ocurred during the compiling process?  Could I have caused that by multi-tasking while it was compiling?  (I quit stuff soon after compiler started but maybe not soon enough?) To fix it I can apt-get install on top of the original installation or do I have to uninstall first?
[11:42] <jnk> helio7,  better uninstall (go to the compilation directory and type "sudo make uninstall") although it was certainly installed in /usr/local so no big deal
[11:43] <elmaya> I want my mp3!!
[11:43] <apokryphos> elmaya: By all means, check the article so you can get going. =)
[11:43] <beatreader> Hi everyone.
[11:44] <elmaya> i don't want to read.. i want a solution
[11:44] <apokryphos> elmaya: You haven't checked the article. The solution is there.
[11:44] <spades> you dont deserve mp3 with that attitude :P
[11:44] <beatreader> I'm having trouble getting plone to install on hoary.
[11:44] <jnk> elmaya, reading *is* the solution :)
[11:44] <beatreader> Any thoughts?
[11:44] <helio7> jnk I followed the directions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 do you think i need to unintall the libs and the codecs or just the mplayer itself?
[11:45] <helio7> Also, multitasking during compilation could cause errors right?
[11:47] <jnk> helio7, no, what you installed  with apt-get should not be a problem
[11:47] <regeya> depends on whether or not you run out of system and swapspace memory, helio7
[11:47] <beatreader> Anyone have thoughts on installing plone?
[11:47] <jaco> what about bug #6763 ?
[11:48] <|QuaD|> beatreader: decent software
[11:48] <pussfeller> plone runs on zope which runs heavy and kinda hard to get started with, but its python based which is def plus
[11:48] <|QuaD|> i believe ubuntu's website is based on it
[11:49] <pussfeller> in gimp, if you select an area, how can you paste stuff into that selection where even if its bigger than the selection, it wont over write the rest of the image
[11:49] <beatreader> Sorry...I was referring back to my previous question...how do I install it under hoary?  It's missing dependencies.
[11:50] <regeya> saying plone is heavy is like saying a tactical nuke has some kick
[11:51] <regeya> plone is amazing, don't get me wrong, but be warned that you need some hefty hardware to run it
[11:51] <regeya> mostly a lot of RAM
[11:51] <regeya> and I mean a LOT of RAM
[11:51] <beatreader> yeah but I can't install it.
[11:51] <ells> sorry, what is plone?
[11:51] <ions> like 128MB? ;)
[11:51] <regeya> heh...that stinks.
[11:51] <|QuaD|> regeya: intersting.... i don't use any CMS's
[11:51] <|QuaD|> so i wouldn't know
[11:51] <victor_> hola
[11:52] <beatreader> Can I get it from debian testing?
[11:52] <beatreader> Is it documented how to mix debian testing in with ubuntu?
[11:52] <|QuaD|> beatreader: apt-cache search plone
[11:53] <beatreader> Quad:  Are you running hoary?  Try apt-get install plone...you'll see what I mean.
[11:53] <deki_> hallo
[11:53] <bob2> beatreader: "don't" is the documentation.
[11:53] <regeya> |QuaD|: To be fair, I evaluated it for an in-house project at work, on an OS X machine that had 786 MB of RAM.  What OS X wasn't using, Zope was using before anything ever happened.  I'm guessing that running Plone on an OS X box with less than a gig of ram is a bad idea
[11:53] <deki_> bob2, hallo bob
[11:53] <deki_> bob2, you was right
[11:53] <bob2> I was?
[11:53] <regeya> this was also on an old G4, and it was taking 30+ seconds to render a page...
[11:53] <|QuaD|> beatreader: its there :) i don't want to install it though
[11:54] <beatreader> Quad...are you on hoary?  Try adding -s for simulate.... apt-get -s install plone
[11:54] <regeya> my advice would be that if you don't really need many of the features of plone, turn it into a DIY project, make the elements you need.  in my case, plone ended up being overkill. :-}
[11:55] <|QuaD|> beatreader: i can't, i have dependency problems currently because of kde
[11:55] <victor_> hola, alguien en Espaol?
[11:55] <regeya> what are the dependency problems, |QuaD|
[11:55] <beatreader> Victor...mas o menos
[11:55] <elmaya> #ubuntu-es
[11:55] <apokryphos> victor_: see #ubuntu-es
[11:56] <beatreader> It can't find a lot of packages...they don't exist.
[11:56] <|QuaD|> beatreader: talk to an ubuntu developer about that
[11:56] <regeya> what is it this weekend with people wanting to talk about problems, then when asked, be unnecessarily vague :-/
[11:56] <beatreader> Quad...how do I do that?
[11:57] <|QuaD|> say "ubuntu developers, anyone around"
[11:57] <spades> regeya: my sound doesnt work, fix it :(
[11:57] <regeya> I swear yesterday someone was trolling because when I asked for the specific error message (y'know, just tryin' to help) they said "that wouldn't help" and got huffy
[11:57] <regeya> and it's been that way every time I've been looking in on #ubuntu...meh.
[11:57] <regeya> spades: fix mine first. ;-)
[11:57] <beatreader> ubuntu developers, anyone around?
[11:57] <|QuaD|> regeya: who needs the error message when trying to solve a problem :)
[11:58] <bob2> beatreader: ask on the user list
[11:58] <beatreader> I'm going to try the ubuntu-devel room...thanks!
[11:58] <|QuaD|> regeya: yeah, i am kind of getting sick of helping people, this should be at least the second stop, google should always be the first stop, and people refuse to use google first
[11:58] <beatreader> bob2...I did already?
[11:58] <|QuaD|> beatreader: you did?
[11:58] <beatreader> yes.
[11:59] <beatreader> in the last hour or so
[11:59] <regeya> I've been ignoring my problems for a while, and I'm relatively sure that the problem is wonky alsa sources in the kernel.  ran into the same thing on debian, and using a new kernel with official alsa sources fixed it.  I'm way too lazy and don't often need full mixer/etc. support.  I should just fix that.
[11:59] <|QuaD|> when? what email address?
[11:59] <bob2> er, hitting up that channel for help with unsupported software is not a good idea
[11:59] <bob2> beatreader: you have to wait more than an hour
[11:59] <regeya> hehehe
[11:59] <victor_> thanks apokryphos
[11:59] <bob2> most ubuntu developers are asleep right now
[11:59] <|QuaD|> beatreader: someone will get back to you soon :)
[11:59] <beatreader> I guess I'll wait then...thanks
[11:59] <victor_> join #ubuntu-es
[11:59] <|QuaD|> anyone here tried running hula yet?
[11:59] <apokryphos> victor_: No problem. :)