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Kotirogood morning all01:40
LizIs listening to : Diana Ross & The Supremes - Touch Me In The Morning, playing track 2/8303:16
Lizoops03:16
Lizanyone awake?03:24
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froudAfrican greetings06:09
froudmorning Liz06:10
Lizafternoon !06:10
froud07H00 this in Johannesburg :-)06:10
froudmorning coffee, get kids dressed, take them to school. the dril begins06:11
Lizheh..06:12
Lizim gonna go get something to eat06:13
Lizits 4.13pm here06:13
froudCool cause my finders are still to stiff to use the keyboard06:13
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Lizhello all12:05
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enricoLiz!01:06
enricodamn, too late, I just came back01:06
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plovs_workhi all, just wanted to let you know i'm alive again01:58
abelliciao01:58
enricoplovs!!!02:00
plovs_workhi!02:01
plovs_worki'm reading up on docteam mail02:01
plovs_work59 to go02:01
enricoHow are you doing?  We were all quite worried, and I was putting a "Where is Plovs" special on the ubuntu report :)02:01
plovs_workvacation (with no internet) work,work and some family emergencies, but now all is ok :-)02:02
enricoHope nothing was too bad02:03
enricoWelcome back!02:03
plovs_workjust updated my  svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc02:03
plovs_workgood to be back02:04
plovs_workmy fingers are itching to do something again02:04
enricoplovs_work: do you have an account in the new repo?02:04
plovs_workno, not yet, you wrote me a mail to which I did not reply02:05
plovs_worksorry02:05
enricono problem: we can solve it now02:05
plovs_workwow a lot has been done02:08
enricoyes!02:11
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enricoplovs_work: one question about the FAQ Guide: is it up to date with hoary and the latest contents of www.ubuntuguide.org?02:11
enricoAstharot: !02:11
enricowow!02:11
Astharothi02:11
Astharotenrico: ? :P02:11
enricoAstharot: do you read Vernacoliere?02:11
enricoAstharot: like Maicol and Luana?02:11
Astharotno :)02:12
enricoThe Devil Astharot was often invoked there :O)02:12
abellienrico: retake yourself he's from piacenza, taiwan02:12
plovs_workenrico, i just installed a clean hoary system, so i can go over it now, my other hoary box was an update so it was difficult to see02:13
abellii dont know why but the new kernel. -2, broke my system...02:13
enricoplovs_work: that's great.  I was wondering about that just today02:13
=== enrico needs to remove 2 items from today's ubuntu report: "where is plovs?" and "status of the FAQGuide"
enricoplovs_work: that was perfect timing! :)02:14
plovs_workenrico, :-)02:14
abellis/-2/-302:15
abellisge veg ciao02:15
plovs_workenrico, how do i get a commit password?02:17
enricoplovs_work: we ask Elmo to create one.  He wants your GPG ID and preferred username, or your password encoded with his GPG key and your preferred username02:18
enricoSo far I've been proxying all requests, so that he doesn't get requests from too many people02:18
plovs_worki think you have my gpg id, right? plovs as username is fine02:18
enricook, I'll mail Elmo02:18
plovs_workthanks!02:19
enricoI have 7 different IDs... let me see which one I trust :)02:19
plovs_workthe one with gmail02:20
plovs_workif my life depended on understanding gpg i would be long dead, sigh02:20
enricoplovs_work: uhm, you don't have my signature on your key.  Did you import the signatures I sent you via e-mail?02:21
plovs_workenrico, obviously not, i thought we did that in makaro, what should i do?02:29
enricoYou should have received a mail from me, gpg encrypted, with a signature inside.  You should have saved the mail, decrypted it and imported the signature02:30
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enricojello jiyuu0 !02:38
enricohello jiyuu0 !02:39
enricoplovs_work: if you can't find that mail, I'll try to send you another one02:39
plovs_workenrico, i seemed to have misplaced it and i have several hundred of your mails so it might be anywhere02:40
plovs_workjiyuu0, hi!02:40
jiyuu0hi all02:40
plovs_workjiyuu0, i am looking at updating the quickguide to hoary, have you done any updating?02:41
enricoplovs_work: argh... don't tell me I have to find your fingerprint amont the mess in my room...02:41
jiyuu0just recovered from long sick02:41
jiyuu02 1/2 in bed02:41
jiyuu0and no work02:41
jiyuu0dengue symtom02:41
enricodengue???02:41
enricohave you recovered fine?02:42
enricothat's not an easy one02:42
plovs_workjiyuu0, man?! that's no fun02:42
jiyuu0got so high fever02:42
jiyuu0and shiver at same time02:42
jiyuu0can't eat/drink too cause got ulser in throat too02:42
jiyuu0man suffer02:42
jiyuu0but thank god... now back to normal02:42
jiyuu0and catching up with work load02:43
jiyuu0:(02:43
plovs_workjiyuu0, good your back on your feet02:47
plovs_workenrico, i have your key in my keyring02:47
enricoplovs_work: look for mail containing "caff"02:47
plovs_workenrico,  ok02:47
plovs_workenrico, ok, can you check again?03:00
enricoplovs_work: you couildn't find the mail?03:02
enricoor you found it?03:04
plovs_workenrico, i had your key already, we signed it on my laptop in spain, i just had not send it to the server i suppose03:05
enricoplovs_work: In your laptop you signed my key; however I didn't sign your key on your laptop03:10
enricoTo have your key signed by me, you should have received those two emails03:10
plovs_workenrico, right, in that case i will have to do some more searching later, i can't find it atm03:11
enricook, I'll look as well03:14
enricoIn the meantime, it doesn't matter: I'll send the thing to Elmo03:15
enricoplovs_work: while the account gets created (Elmo's very busy this week), you can always send me the output of svn diff and I'll take care of applying it03:19
enricofor you03:19
plovs_workenrico, ok, thanks03:19
enricoplovs_work: can I create a new bugzilla entry about a review of the FAQ Guide for Hoary and assign it to you?03:20
plovs_workenrico, yes, no problem03:22
enricoplovs_work: reported!03:27
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froudplovs_work: :-) 04:08
enricofroud: seen who's around? :)04:12
froudyep yep :-)04:12
froudenrico: how's your xslt ?04:13
froud<xsl:when04:14
froud                                test="contains($glosstermValue, '&#32;&#35;&#36;')">04:14
froud                                <xsl:attribute name="id">04:14
froud                                    <xsl:value-of04:14
froud                                        select="concat($glossdivTitle, '-', $idValue, '-',04:14
froud                                        substring(translate($glosstermValue, X) 1, 3))"/>04:14
froud                                </xsl:attribute>04:14
froud                                <xsl:apply-templates/>04:14
froud                            </xsl:when>04:14
froudwon't validate04:14
froudeeror message: F Expected ,, but found: 104:14
enricofroud: my xslt?04:15
froudback in 10min04:15
froudenrico: back04:31
froudenrico: what the situation with the freeze? Do we stil have time or what is happening?04:33
enricoI still haven't asked.  mdz is in vacation, I should get to Kamion04:34
enricolet me see...04:34
froudhe he with mdz on hols nobody will freeze :-)04:34
enricofroud: appearently, since our packages are not likely to break much, we are not strongly affected by the package freeze06:52
enricoI still haven't understood how's the situation for reviews and translations, though06:52
froudenrico: OK, thanks. let us know via the list07:26
enricook07:27
enricoOTOH, have a look at the new DocteamStepByStepRepository07:28
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enricoI think it came out very cute!07:28
sivangguys ff is active since the date stated on the release schedule :)07:54
froudsivang: what is ff?08:07
froudenrico: very cute :-)08:09
froudyou took my conversation with Liz from the logs and cleaned it up :-)08:09
sivangfroud: feature freeze08:10
froudsivang: ah08:14
froudhah08:14
froudbut since we wont break anything, we still have time. how much I dunno?08:14
sivangbut I am not sure about docs though, may be that as they are no problem at all.08:15
sivangfroud: right08:15
froudHmm, guess translation is not an issue for Hoary?08:15
sivangnot a clue. you should talk to the rosetta guys, we already have translations through rosetta and language packs installed and updated.08:18
froudCan Rosetta handle prose?08:18
sivangprose?08:22
froudfree text like in the docs08:22
sivangah, I think the support either is already there yet not exposed to the web, or being worked on.08:22
sivangI heared talks about adding/working on it.08:22
froudabelli knows these things08:26
froudwhat's th eurl for rosetta?08:26
sivanghttp://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta08:32
enricoat the Ubuntuconf, I remember that prose would work, but the interface would become unuseable with long pieces of text08:47
enricoMaybe something changed: lots of time has passwd08:47
enricofroud: like it, the cleaned up conversation?08:49
froudenrico: very cool dude08:49
enricosivang: I remember you said you wanted to commit, as you had some fixes here and there in the repository?08:54
froudenrico: how can we make the round robin between svn and mako faster?08:57
enricofroud: but mako a secretary, I guess :(09:02
enricos/but/mako/09:02
enricos/but/buy/  # Damnit09:02
froud:-)09:02
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froudhe would love that09:02
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enricoHello ChrisH_ !09:03
enricofroud: I haven't been hearing from Mako for a while09:03
ChrisH_enrico: Hi. :)09:03
enricoChrisH_: have a read of the QuickGuide: it ROCKS!09:03
froudgood gracious, look who the cat dragged in :-)09:03
froudhello ChrisH_ 09:03
ChrisH_enrico: I have "already" received my knew account and now need to look into it.09:04
ChrisH_froud: Hey, docbook god! :)09:04
ChrisH_God... what a day. Started with a mabushi meeting and now I'm fixing mentors.debian.net which decided to burn the power supply.09:04
froudhala, that's the way it goes. it never rains, but pooooours09:05
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enricoChrisH must have been that collapsed neutron star in the Milky Way 09:06
ChrisHDefinitely... I liked the userfriendly.org interpretation of that event. :)09:07
enricogotta check it out09:07
ChrisHfrom yesterday09:07
enricoLOL :)09:08
ChrisHdeja vu :)09:08
enricoOh no, not again! :)09:08
ChrisHHard to imagine that the even has happened 50,000 years in the past. The whole universe could have blown away and we still don't know it.09:09
enricoand we could disappear the next second without seeing it coming09:14
enrico(and reappear 5 minutes later, for what matters :)09:14
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ChrisHLike a math costudent once sat at the breakfast table being hardly awake. Someone else told him that the sausage wouldn't get onto his bread on its own. He just replied... "but the propability for such an event is greater than zero". That's practical thinking.09:15
ChrisHAnd mentors.debian.net is up again, too. :)09:15
ChrisHWho had imagined that a faulty power supply can cause APCI errors09:16
=== enrico points at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00495.html once again
enricoI'm so happy of etc-in-svk09:16
ChrisHsvk? depot? repository handling of /etc config files?09:17
ChrisHIs svk much different than rcs?09:17
enricosvk is like subversion09:17
enricorcs only does one file at a time09:18
enricosvk is more like arch than subversion, though09:18
enricoand svk can hook into various version control systems09:18
enricodoes smerges and other cool stuff09:18
ChrisHWouldn't it be equally easy (and less error-prone) to just use a local SVN repository?09:19
enricohowever, that's not interesting wrt handling /etc.  What's interesting for that, is that svk won't clutter the working copies with .svn directories09:19
enricowhich answers this last question :)09:19
ChrisHright...09:19
enricoand the syntax of svk is the syntax of svn09:20
enricoand svk uses the subversion filesystem for storing things09:20
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