[01:40] <Kotiro> good morning all
[03:16] <Liz> Is listening to : Diana Ross & The Supremes - Touch Me In The Morning, playing track 2/83
[03:16] <Liz> oops
[03:24] <Liz> anyone awake?
[06:09] <froud> African greetings
[06:10] <froud> morning Liz
[06:10] <Liz> afternoon !
[06:10] <froud> 07H00 this in Johannesburg :-)
[06:11] <froud> morning coffee, get kids dressed, take them to school. the dril begins
[06:12] <Liz> heh..
[06:13] <Liz> im gonna go get something to eat
[06:13] <Liz> its 4.13pm here
[06:13] <froud> Cool cause my finders are still to stiff to use the keyboard
[12:05] <Liz> hello all
[01:06] <enrico> Liz!
[01:06] <enrico> damn, too late, I just came back
[01:58] <plovs_work> hi all, just wanted to let you know i'm alive again
[01:58] <abelli> ciao
[02:00] <enrico> plovs!!!
[02:01] <plovs_work> hi!
[02:01] <plovs_work> i'm reading up on docteam mail
[02:01] <plovs_work> 59 to go
[02:01] <enrico> How are you doing?  We were all quite worried, and I was putting a "Where is Plovs" special on the ubuntu report :)
[02:02] <plovs_work> vacation (with no internet) work,work and some family emergencies, but now all is ok :-)
[02:03] <enrico> Hope nothing was too bad
[02:03] <enrico> Welcome back!
[02:03] <plovs_work> just updated my  svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[02:04] <plovs_work> good to be back
[02:04] <plovs_work> my fingers are itching to do something again
[02:04] <enrico> plovs_work: do you have an account in the new repo?
[02:05] <plovs_work> no, not yet, you wrote me a mail to which I did not reply
[02:05] <plovs_work> sorry
[02:05] <enrico> no problem: we can solve it now
[02:08] <plovs_work> wow a lot has been done
[02:11] <enrico> yes!
[02:11] <enrico> plovs_work: one question about the FAQ Guide: is it up to date with hoary and the latest contents of www.ubuntuguide.org?
[02:11] <enrico> Astharot: !
[02:11] <enrico> wow!
[02:11] <Astharot> hi
[02:11] <Astharot> enrico: ? :P
[02:11] <enrico> Astharot: do you read Vernacoliere?
[02:11] <enrico> Astharot: like Maicol and Luana?
[02:12] <Astharot> no :)
[02:12] <enrico> The Devil Astharot was often invoked there :O)
[02:12] <abelli> enrico: retake yourself he's from piacenza, taiwan
[02:13] <plovs_work> enrico, i just installed a clean hoary system, so i can go over it now, my other hoary box was an update so it was difficult to see
[02:13] <abelli> i dont know why but the new kernel. -2, broke my system...
[02:13] <enrico> plovs_work: that's great.  I was wondering about that just today
[02:14] <enrico> plovs_work: that was perfect timing! :)
[02:14] <plovs_work> enrico, :-)
[02:15] <abelli> s/-2/-3
[02:15] <abelli> sge veg ciao
[02:17] <plovs_work> enrico, how do i get a commit password?
[02:18] <enrico> plovs_work: we ask Elmo to create one.  He wants your GPG ID and preferred username, or your password encoded with his GPG key and your preferred username
[02:18] <enrico> So far I've been proxying all requests, so that he doesn't get requests from too many people
[02:18] <plovs_work> i think you have my gpg id, right? plovs as username is fine
[02:18] <enrico> ok, I'll mail Elmo
[02:19] <plovs_work> thanks!
[02:19] <enrico> I have 7 different IDs... let me see which one I trust :)
[02:20] <plovs_work> the one with gmail
[02:20] <plovs_work> if my life depended on understanding gpg i would be long dead, sigh
[02:21] <enrico> plovs_work: uhm, you don't have my signature on your key.  Did you import the signatures I sent you via e-mail?
[02:29] <plovs_work> enrico, obviously not, i thought we did that in makaro, what should i do?
[02:30] <enrico> You should have received a mail from me, gpg encrypted, with a signature inside.  You should have saved the mail, decrypted it and imported the signature
[02:38] <enrico> jello jiyuu0 !
[02:39] <enrico> hello jiyuu0 !
[02:39] <enrico> plovs_work: if you can't find that mail, I'll try to send you another one
[02:40] <plovs_work> enrico, i seemed to have misplaced it and i have several hundred of your mails so it might be anywhere
[02:40] <plovs_work> jiyuu0, hi!
[02:40] <jiyuu0> hi all
[02:41] <plovs_work> jiyuu0, i am looking at updating the quickguide to hoary, have you done any updating?
[02:41] <enrico> plovs_work: argh... don't tell me I have to find your fingerprint amont the mess in my room...
[02:41] <jiyuu0> just recovered from long sick
[02:41] <jiyuu0> 2 1/2 in bed
[02:41] <jiyuu0> and no work
[02:41] <jiyuu0> dengue symtom
[02:41] <enrico> dengue???
[02:42] <enrico> have you recovered fine?
[02:42] <enrico> that's not an easy one
[02:42] <plovs_work> jiyuu0, man?! that's no fun
[02:42] <jiyuu0> got so high fever
[02:42] <jiyuu0> and shiver at same time
[02:42] <jiyuu0> can't eat/drink too cause got ulser in throat too
[02:42] <jiyuu0> man suffer
[02:42] <jiyuu0> but thank god... now back to normal
[02:43] <jiyuu0> and catching up with work load
[02:43] <jiyuu0> :(
[02:47] <plovs_work> jiyuu0, good your back on your feet
[02:47] <plovs_work> enrico, i have your key in my keyring
[02:47] <enrico> plovs_work: look for mail containing "caff"
[02:47] <plovs_work> enrico,  ok
[03:00] <plovs_work> enrico, ok, can you check again?
[03:02] <enrico> plovs_work: you couildn't find the mail?
[03:04] <enrico> or you found it?
[03:05] <plovs_work> enrico, i had your key already, we signed it on my laptop in spain, i just had not send it to the server i suppose
[03:10] <enrico> plovs_work: In your laptop you signed my key; however I didn't sign your key on your laptop
[03:10] <enrico> To have your key signed by me, you should have received those two emails
[03:11] <plovs_work> enrico, right, in that case i will have to do some more searching later, i can't find it atm
[03:14] <enrico> ok, I'll look as well
[03:15] <enrico> In the meantime, it doesn't matter: I'll send the thing to Elmo
[03:19] <enrico> plovs_work: while the account gets created (Elmo's very busy this week), you can always send me the output of svn diff and I'll take care of applying it
[03:19] <enrico> for you
[03:19] <plovs_work> enrico, ok, thanks
[03:20] <enrico> plovs_work: can I create a new bugzilla entry about a review of the FAQ Guide for Hoary and assign it to you?
[03:22] <plovs_work> enrico, yes, no problem
[03:27] <enrico> plovs_work: reported!
[04:08] <froud> plovs_work: :-) 
[04:12] <enrico> froud: seen who's around? :)
[04:12] <froud> yep yep :-)
[04:13] <froud> enrico: how's your xslt ?
[04:14] <froud> <xsl:when
[04:14] <froud>                                 test="contains($glosstermValue, '&#32;&#35;&#36;')">
[04:14] <froud>                                 <xsl:attribute name="id">
[04:14] <froud>                                     <xsl:value-of
[04:14] <froud>                                         select="concat($glossdivTitle, '-', $idValue, '-',
[04:14] <froud>                                         substring(translate($glosstermValue, X) 1, 3))"/>
[04:14] <froud>                                 </xsl:attribute>
[04:14] <froud>                                 <xsl:apply-templates/>
[04:14] <froud>                             </xsl:when>
[04:14] <froud> won't validate
[04:14] <froud> eeror message: F Expected ,, but found: 1
[04:15] <enrico> froud: my xslt?
[04:15] <froud> back in 10min
[04:31] <froud> enrico: back
[04:33] <froud> enrico: what the situation with the freeze? Do we stil have time or what is happening?
[04:34] <enrico> I still haven't asked.  mdz is in vacation, I should get to Kamion
[04:34] <enrico> let me see...
[04:34] <froud> he he with mdz on hols nobody will freeze :-)
[06:52] <enrico> froud: appearently, since our packages are not likely to break much, we are not strongly affected by the package freeze
[06:52] <enrico> I still haven't understood how's the situation for reviews and translations, though
[07:26] <froud> enrico: OK, thanks. let us know via the list
[07:27] <enrico> ok
[07:28] <enrico> OTOH, have a look at the new DocteamStepByStepRepository
[07:28] <enrico> I think it came out very cute!
[07:54] <sivang> guys ff is active since the date stated on the release schedule :)
[08:07] <froud> sivang: what is ff?
[08:09] <froud> enrico: very cute :-)
[08:09] <froud> you took my conversation with Liz from the logs and cleaned it up :-)
[08:10] <sivang> froud: feature freeze
[08:14] <froud> sivang: ah
[08:14] <froud> hah
[08:14] <froud> but since we wont break anything, we still have time. how much I dunno?
[08:15] <sivang> but I am not sure about docs though, may be that as they are no problem at all.
[08:15] <sivang> froud: right
[08:15] <froud> Hmm, guess translation is not an issue for Hoary?
[08:18] <sivang> not a clue. you should talk to the rosetta guys, we already have translations through rosetta and language packs installed and updated.
[08:18] <froud> Can Rosetta handle prose?
[08:22] <sivang> prose?
[08:22] <froud> free text like in the docs
[08:22] <sivang> ah, I think the support either is already there yet not exposed to the web, or being worked on.
[08:22] <sivang> I heared talks about adding/working on it.
[08:26] <froud> abelli knows these things
[08:26] <froud> what's th eurl for rosetta?
[08:32] <sivang> http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta
[08:47] <enrico> at the Ubuntuconf, I remember that prose would work, but the interface would become unuseable with long pieces of text
[08:47] <enrico> Maybe something changed: lots of time has passwd
[08:49] <enrico> froud: like it, the cleaned up conversation?
[08:49] <froud> enrico: very cool dude
[08:54] <enrico> sivang: I remember you said you wanted to commit, as you had some fixes here and there in the repository?
[08:57] <froud> enrico: how can we make the round robin between svn and mako faster?
[09:02] <enrico> froud: but mako a secretary, I guess :(
[09:02] <enrico> s/but/mako/
[09:02] <enrico> s/but/buy/  # Damnit
[09:02] <froud> :-)
[09:02] <froud> he would love that
[09:03] <enrico> Hello ChrisH_ !
[09:03] <enrico> froud: I haven't been hearing from Mako for a while
[09:03] <ChrisH_> enrico: Hi. :)
[09:03] <enrico> ChrisH_: have a read of the QuickGuide: it ROCKS!
[09:03] <froud> good gracious, look who the cat dragged in :-)
[09:03] <froud> hello ChrisH_ 
[09:04] <ChrisH_> enrico: I have "already" received my knew account and now need to look into it.
[09:04] <ChrisH_> froud: Hey, docbook god! :)
[09:04] <ChrisH_> God... what a day. Started with a mabushi meeting and now I'm fixing mentors.debian.net which decided to burn the power supply.
[09:05] <froud> hala, that's the way it goes. it never rains, but pooooours
[09:06] <enrico> ChrisH must have been that collapsed neutron star in the Milky Way 
[09:07] <ChrisH> Definitely... I liked the userfriendly.org interpretation of that event. :)
[09:07] <enrico> gotta check it out
[09:07] <ChrisH> from yesterday
[09:08] <enrico> LOL :)
[09:08] <ChrisH> deja vu :)
[09:08] <enrico> Oh no, not again! :)
[09:09] <ChrisH> Hard to imagine that the even has happened 50,000 years in the past. The whole universe could have blown away and we still don't know it.
[09:14] <enrico> and we could disappear the next second without seeing it coming
[09:14] <enrico> (and reappear 5 minutes later, for what matters :)
[09:15] <ChrisH> Like a math costudent once sat at the breakfast table being hardly awake. Someone else told him that the sausage wouldn't get onto his bread on its own. He just replied... "but the propability for such an event is greater than zero". That's practical thinking.
[09:15] <ChrisH> And mentors.debian.net is up again, too. :)
[09:16] <ChrisH> Who had imagined that a faulty power supply can cause APCI errors
[09:16] <enrico> I'm so happy of etc-in-svk
[09:17] <ChrisH> svk? depot? repository handling of /etc config files?
[09:17] <ChrisH> Is svk much different than rcs?
[09:17] <enrico> svk is like subversion
[09:18] <enrico> rcs only does one file at a time
[09:18] <enrico> svk is more like arch than subversion, though
[09:18] <enrico> and svk can hook into various version control systems
[09:18] <enrico> does smerges and other cool stuff
[09:19] <ChrisH> Wouldn't it be equally easy (and less error-prone) to just use a local SVN repository?
[09:19] <enrico> however, that's not interesting wrt handling /etc.  What's interesting for that, is that svk won't clutter the working copies with .svn directories
[09:19] <enrico> which answers this last question :)
[09:19] <ChrisH> right...
[09:20] <enrico> and the syntax of svk is the syntax of svn
[09:20] <enrico> and svk uses the subversion filesystem for storing things