[12:00] <jnk> |QuaD|, there's no deb package is there ?
[12:00] <|QuaD|> jnk: nope
[12:00] <regeya> unless anyone knows of another reason why not all the mixer doohickeys on an sb live 5.1 won't work, and not all audio i/o seems to work, and there's a fix that doesn't require upgrading alsa stuff. ;-)  also, I have no error messages to include.
[12:03] <crimsun> deki_: this channel is more appropriate to your issue, I believe. Furthermore, the two example applications you gave, mozilla and x-chat, do not use libqt3* ...
[12:03] <deki_> crimsun, strange thing is that even gtk apps like mozilla firefox work better
[12:03] <deki_> not better
[12:03] <deki_> but i don't have such effekts there
[12:04] <|QuaD|> firefox is gtk? interesting
[12:04] <|QuaD|> i didn't think it was
[12:04] <deki_> |QuaD|, lets see
[12:04] <ions> it's not
[12:04] <deki_>  /exec -o ldd `which firefox`
[12:04] <deki_> 	not a dynamic executable
[12:04] <bob2> deki_: yes, I'm not surprised I was right
[12:04] <deki_> bob2, :D
[12:04] <bob2> also, Qt on Mandrake is not using hardware accelerated GL
[12:04] <deki_> bob2, i hated you so much
[12:04] <bob2> yes, I know
[12:04] <deki_> bob2, yes but it is linked against libGL.so
[12:05] <deki_> bob2, and the version which is in ubuntu is not
[12:05] <bob2> yes, because Qt includes a GL canvas thing
[12:05] <bob2> afaik no toolkit actually does random GL acceleration of widgets
[12:06] <deki_> ok
[12:06] <thechitowncubs> once i install sudo apt-get install xfce
[12:06] <thechitowncubs> XFCE, how do I use it?
[12:06] <crimsun> thechitowncubs: you mean 'xfce4'?
[12:06] <deki_> bob2, :( i will try maybe to install xfce4.2 do you know the pckages for hoary to get it from?
[12:06] <WillCooke> Anyone know a place on the web where you can host files temporarily, that doesn't need loads of sign-up stuff
[12:06] <apokryphos> thechitowncubs: Logout. Then select xfce Session
[12:06] <bob2> deki_: but seriously, this is a good example of listening to other people rather than fixating on something which happens to be different
[12:06] <bob2> WillCooke: pastebin.com
[12:06] <deki_> bob2, this is my big big problem
[12:06] <apokryphos> WillCooke: For text or general stuff?
[12:06] <thechitowncubs> so i should install xfce4 instead of xfce?
[12:07] <bob2> deki_: xfce4
[12:07] <regeya> it should be an option in gdm, thechitowncubs.  after you type in your username at the login prompt, um, someone remind me of what to click, b/c my brain just shut down
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> Session
[12:07] <regeya> but first install xfce4, yeah, d'oh
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> thats what it is, but it doesn't show up
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> ok, i just installed xfce
[12:07] <WillCooke> To host a screen shot!
[12:07] <regeya> thanks, 'coz I'm not even using gdm anymore. :-}
[12:07] <umarmung> WillCooke, i like imageshack.us
[12:08] <apokryphos> WillCooke: You might consider using photobucket.com
[12:08] <WillCooke> Thanks guys, spot on.
[12:08] <robodex> hey, does anyone have any experience with using dd to create blank image (.img) files?
[12:08] <SioBuntu> bye all
[12:09] <kaos> How do you install rpm package support
[12:09] <bob2> kaos: you convert things to .debs or .tgz with 'alien'.
[12:09] <bob2> but what do you want that's only in rpm format?
[12:09] <robodex> I'm trying to create a 1G blank image (for qemu) and it's giving me an error
[12:09] <robodex> aaron@slamela:/mnt/E/qemu-img $ dd of=hd.img bs=1024 seek=1G count=0
[12:09] <robodex> dd: advancing past 1099511627776 bytes in output file `hd.img': Operation not permitted
[12:09] <robodex> it's on a fat32 drive so that might be the problem
[12:09] <SioBuntu> stupid xmms :s
[12:09] <GammaRay> kaos: rpm is installed by default I think
[12:10] <bob2> robodex: that looks like you're seeking to 1GB in a 0 byte file
[12:10] <bob2> GammaRay: the rpm command on ubuntu does nothing
[12:10] <robodex> bob2: hmm. That's odd. It said to type that in the howto I'm reading...
[12:10] <GammaRay> bob2: wonderful
[12:10] <bob2> GammaRay: hence why you use alien
[12:10] <robodex> any idea how to create a 1G blank image with dd, then?
[12:10] <bob2> robodex: also vfat doesn't do files bigger than 2gb, iirc
[12:11] <robodex> yeah, I know... I just wanna do a 1G image file (also afaik it's 4GB)
[12:11] <bob2> ah
[12:11] <cindux> hey al
[12:12] <mz2> what's a good id3 tag editor?
[12:12] <cindux> winamp :D
[12:12] <mz2> cantus is crap, and easytag is ugly
[12:12] <GammaRay> mz2: huh?
[12:12] <GammaRay> well I guess your SOL then.. boo huu
[12:13] <cindux> gammaray, good band
[12:13] <deki_> hi can i allow a desktop user start programs on second monitor?
[12:13] <deki_> i mean DISPLAY=:1
[12:13] <deki_> when i do: xinit -- :1
[12:14] <deki_> Xlib: error connetion refused by server
[12:14] <deki_> or similar
[12:14] <GammaRay> try xhost +localhost
[12:14] <deki_> xhost works only on already existing X server
[12:14] <deki_> xhost +localhost would allow connections to :0
[12:14] <robodex> nm, I think I have it
[12:14] <deki_> but :1 is not running
[12:15] <robodex> dd if=/dev/zero of=test.test count=1000000
[12:15] <robodex> gives me a 512mb file
[12:15] <deki_> i needed to edit some file or create one to allow user to open second DISPLAY
[12:15] <cheesus> hi can anyone help me to set up my network card (8139c)?
[12:15] <cheesus> ifconfig eth0: device not found
[12:17] <bob2> robodex: yeah, the default bs is 512
[12:17] <bob2> cheesus: modprobe 8139cp
[12:17] <jnk> cheesus, what does "lsmod | grep 8139" say ?
[12:17] <bob2> but that should have happened automatically
[12:17] <GammaRay> deki_: try gdmflexiserver
[12:18] <cheesus> 8139too      used:0
[12:18] <cheesus> mii used:1 8139too
[12:18] <cheesus> modprobe 8139c
[12:18] <cheesus> gives nothing
[12:18] <jnk> bob2, you think it's the wrong module ?
[12:19] <bob2> I'm not sure if 8139c can use the 8139too modlue or not
[12:19] <cheesus> sorry modprobe 8139too gives nothing
[12:19] <cheesus> 8139c not found
[12:20] <jnk> cheesus, try this: "sudo modprobe -r 8139too" then "sudo modprobe 8139too" then dmesg
[12:22] <jnk> cheesus, what does dmesg say at the end ?
[12:22] <cheesus> hmm modprobe always returns nothing and dmesg alot
[12:22] <tga> howdy
[12:22] <cheesus> ah ok
[12:22] <tga> I'm trying to get direct rendering going on a Radeon 320M and I'm not sure what I'm missing
[12:22] <cheesus> 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27
[12:22] <cheesus> maybe its something with hotplug?
[12:23] <cheesus> theres some errors at boot
[12:23] <jnk> cheesus, paste the ten last lines (in private)
[12:23] <tga> /var/log/Xorg.0.log: (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[12:23] <tga> glxinfo: direct rendering: No
[12:26] <tseng> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing openoffice.org2 (--remove):
[12:26] <tseng>  files list file for package `openoffice.org2-core' is missing final newline
[12:26] <tseng> where is the files list?
[12:27] <dgtlchlk> Is there any way when using an ATI card and fglrx in the bigdesktop mode, to run the monitors at different resolutions?
[12:27] <mg> i'm confused about system accounts ... should i use one to run a persistent daemon (tracd?)
[12:31] <Seazzy> Hey, I am new to any type of Linux. Anyone know how to do a system-wide reset for the screen resolution? I can provide more details if necessary, but I am trying to be concise.
[12:31] <daniels> Seazzy: Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (warty), or /etc/X11/xorg.conf (hoary).
[12:32] <Dr_Aevil> hi - just trying to install ubuntu on a friend's PC.  Took a look at hoary and he seems to have lost sound.  Are people aware of sound problems with hoary? In particular he has a soundblaster audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro
[12:32] <daniels> mg: yes
[12:32] <mg> daniels: ok. can i use 'su trac -c "..."' to start it or do i have to use start-stop-daemon
[12:32] <Dr_Aevil> also, does anyone know why alsaconf is not present in hoary?
[12:33] <Seazzy> THanks daniels, I'll try that right now!
[12:33] <jnk> Dr_Aevil,   yes it was removed to fix a bug
[12:33] <daniels> mg: you can use su trac if you want, but start-stop-daemon in an init script is probably a better idea
[12:33] <jnk> look in /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/changelog.Debian.gz
[12:33] <Dr_Aevil> jnk: thanks
[12:34] <mg> daniels: ok, thanks. i probably will use start-stop-daemon. however ...
[12:34] <mg> daniels: su trac -c "<whatever>" does nothing.
[12:34] <daniels> Seazzy: There's a list of resolutions you can edit in there (the 'Modes' lines), but if you're on warty, the first thing you'll want to do is remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines.
[12:34] <mg> i see the session created in /var/log/auth but it seems to end immediately
[12:34] <daniels> mg: ah, the shell is set to nothing.  you'll want start-stop-daemon.
[12:35] <Seazzy> I'm trying to get into it, but I'm getting "command not found"
[12:35] <mg> daniels: ah, ok! so /bin/false shell stops su working?
[12:35] <sheeep> hello
[12:36] <Seazzy> hello
[12:36] <daniels> Seazzy: Try 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' if you're already in the GUI, or 'sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' if you're not.
[12:36] <sheeep> is it possible that i boot the cd and it will get stuck ?
[12:36] <sheeep> i mean, before install, before anything ?
[12:36] <Seazzy> I'm on it
[12:36] <MidnightDevil> is there anyway to make terminal borders transparent?
[12:37] <Seazzy> daniels: I've gotten into the file, reading it now. I'll let yuo know how it turns out
[12:37] <adam_> hey
[12:38] <adam_> ne1 here?
[12:38] <adam_> o.O
[12:38] <sheeep> some
[12:38] <adam_> oh hey
[12:38] <sheeep> hallo
[12:38] <adam_> im trying to install ubuntu on my old p2 288mhz desktop
[12:38] <adam_> and im having some problems w/ modprobe
[12:39] <Seazzy> so am I, adam
[12:39] <adam_> we have an ancient network card, so we need to use the smc-ultra module to detect it
[12:39] <adam_> newayZ
[12:39] <adam_> i goto expert mode
[12:39] <adam_> and try to modprobe it
[12:39] <adam_> and it doesn't work
[12:39] <adam_> ne ideas?
[12:39] <ells> almost done downloading the upgrades for hoary
[12:39] <sheeep> solly, can't help you  .. my install doesn't even pass the gfx boot thingy
[12:39] <adam_> i try w/ the command modprobe /lib/modules/2*/kernel/drivers/net/smc-ultra
[12:40] <adam_> ne1 have ne ideas?
[12:40] <adam_> hey regeya
[12:40] <junit> hello, i just installed xfce4 and the internet seems extremely slow ( only on this computer ), plus, when i try to go back into gnome, the panels just show up as white, anyone have any ideas
[12:40] <adam_> u don't happen to be an ubuntu expert, do you?
[12:41] <junit> it gets stuck on "resolving host" it seems
[12:41] <adam_> that means that your DNS isn't set right
[12:41] <junit> adam: how can i fix that
[12:41] <sheeep> get dns ips from isp
[12:41] <adam_> how did you configure your network?
[12:42] <adam_> do you know the address of ur DNS server?
[12:42] <sheeep> and put in /etc/resolve.conf
[12:42] <junit> it auto config'd
[12:42] <junit> ok, thanks, that all i need to know
[12:42] <adam_> m'kay
[12:43] <adam_> so does ne1 know about adding modules to the installer?
[12:43] <Frederick> adam_ if I know the DNS but my resolv.conf is blank what can I do?
[12:43] <sheeep> you can echo it into the file
[12:43] <adam_> just type your primary DNS server into the file, hit a return and close (control d) using the cat command
[12:43] <sheeep> echo DNS IPS >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:44] <JDigital> Hello folks, I'm having difficulty getting crontab to work. Can anyone give me advice?
[12:44] <MidnightDevil> how do i give full acess to a mounted fat drive?
[12:44] <Seazzy> Daniels: everything looks good in the XF86 Config-4 file,  but there is still a switch in resolution from the log-on screen to my user. The main problem I am trying to fix is the random freezing I'm getting. Do you think the 2 are connected?
[12:44] <jnk> JDigital, what's the problem ?
[12:44] <sheeep> MidnightDevil: chmod 666 <dir>
[12:44] <junit> Ok
[12:45] <junit> i already forgot, what file do i need to change to put the dns server int
[12:45] <junit> in
[12:45] <Frederick> Seazzy you may commment the resolution you dont want to use it might work
[12:45] <JDigital> I do a "crontab -e", and add the line "42 23 * * *  /usr/bin/gmplayer", then save and exit. But when 11:42pm rolls around, nothing happens
[12:45] <sheeep> junit: /etc/resolv.conf
[12:45] <JDigital> a few minutes later I seem to get an "e-mail" telling me about it for no reason
[12:45] <junit> thanks =D
[12:45] <adam_> so ne1 have ne luck w/ modprobe on installation
[12:46] <sheeep> why do you need modprobe @ install ?
[12:46] <cyklus> how do i disable ctri-alt-backspace?
[12:46] <adam_> i ahve a network card
[12:46] <sheeep> install base, then modprobe all you want
[12:46] <adam_> that isn't detected
[12:46] <daniels> Seazzy: Oh.  Try Computer->Administration->Screen Resolution, when you're logged in, but no, I don't think they're connected.
[12:46] <adam_> so i try modprobing the module i need to detect it
[12:46] <adam_> and it keeps saying failed (can't find it)
[12:46] <adam_> and i am sure its there
[12:46] <adam_> i ls'ed it
[12:46] <sheeep> maybe its wrong module
[12:46] <sheeep> modules usually work
[12:46] <adam_> and i even tried (and found it) w/ a gentoo livecd
[12:47] <sheeep> hmm
[12:47] <sheeep> same kernel ?
[12:47] <adam_> yeah
[12:47] <junit> ok, my DNS servers are right, but i think comcast is having troubles
[12:47] <sheeep> well ... technically, if its same kernel, you can save the .o file, and try to modprobe it
[12:47] <junit> but my Windows comps go real fast to websites, so i still don't know what the problem is
[12:48] <sheeep> adam_: what is the command you try to run ?
[12:48] <junit> one more question, how do I set my IP to static in the terminal
[12:48] <adam_> modprobe /lib/modules/2*/kernel/drivers/net/smc-ultra
[12:48] <sheeep> and just writing " modprobe smc-ultra" ?
[12:48] <adam_> same effect
[12:48] <adam_> it can't find it
[12:49] <adam_> i tried renaiming it to remove the '-' character
[12:49] <adam_> i tried everthing
[12:49] <sheeep> did you try loading other modules ?
[12:49] <adam_> yes
[12:49] <adam_> same problem
[12:49] <adam_> it can't
[12:49] <sheeep> none ?
[12:49] <sheeep> odd
[12:49] <adam_> it loads the base successfully
[12:49] <adam_> just modprobe fails to load additional ones
[12:49] <junit> How can I set my eth0 conn. to static in the console?
[12:50] <adam_> well thanks for the help all
[12:50] <adam_> i g2g
[12:50] <adam_> cya :)
[12:50] <sheeep> laters
[12:51] <junit> Anyone =/
[12:51] <cyklus> how do i disable ctri-alt-backspace?
[12:52] <sheeep> junit: ifconfig eth0 <address>
[12:52] <junit> sheeep, that is all?
[12:52] <junit> sweet
[12:54] <jnk> cyklus, there is an option DontZap for the x configuration file
[12:54] <jnk> see the man page
[12:54] <helio7> *** one more ubuntu user jumping to hoary...
[12:54] <QTPC-Voodoo> Anyone know why i get a "Code 18" when trying to boot Ubuntu on my IBM thinkpad 390E ?
[12:55] <helio7> QTPC yes
[12:55] <JDigital> Can cron actually run graphical programs, or is it limited to doing things in the background
[12:55] <JDigital> I want to use it to load mplayer
[12:55] <helio7> QTPC-Voodoo is it a grub error 18 problem?
[12:55] <jnk> JDigital, you can but it's not the right way imho
[12:55] <QTPC-Voodoo> yeah, its happening just after Grub
[12:56] <helio7> you need to change your bios settings from hang on I'll find the link
[12:56] <MidnightDevil> how do i start smb?
[12:56] <JDigital> I want to set mplayer to play a video file at a certain time every morning
[12:56] <jnk> JDigital, you tried and it didn't work ?
[12:57] <JDigital> Yeah.
[12:57] <helio7> QTPC-Voodoo from LBA to normal
[12:57] <QTPC-Voodoo> ok thanks
[12:57] <helio7> QTPC-Voodoo read the "Alternate Solution" on this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogInstallNotes it worked for me on several older machines
[12:57] <mg> daniels: thank for the help. everything's working nicely now. :)
[12:57] <QTPC-Voodoo> thanks alot
[12:57] <jnk> JDigital, two things: 1) the user must be the one that is graphically logged on and 2) you must set the DISPLAY variable correctly
[12:58] <JDigital> I only have one user, "jdigital"
[12:58] <helio7> QTPC-Voodoo np I'm mostly a question-asker in here; makes me happy to be able to help somebody!
[12:58] <JDigital> display variable?
[12:58] <jnk> JDigital, for example if you have logged in as "user" in ubuntu, you can execute a script as "user" that contains a command such as: "env DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer some_file.avi"
[12:58] <MidnightDevil> how do i start smb service to mount network drives?
[12:59] <daniels> mg: np
[12:59] <JDigital> Can just I do something like "00 7 * * * env DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer some_file.avi" then?
[01:00] <jnk> JDigital, try it, I think so (if the user is correct)
[01:00] <delltony> question i'm trying to install gnomad2 and it keeps saying it needs library requirements of glib-2.0 gthread-2.0 gtk+-2.0 libgnomeui-2.0 libnjb   where can i find these i looked in the synaptic with no luck
[01:02] <MidnightDevil> someone ?
[01:02] <JDigital> it works, hooray
[01:02] <JDigital> thanks jnk
[01:02] <jnk> you're welcome :)
[01:02] <JDigital> jnk = jayenkai?
[01:02] <MidnightDevil> how do i start smb service to mount network drives?
[01:02] <JDigital> the sielts guy?
[01:03] <jnk> JDigital, no it's just the first letters of my names
[01:03] <JDigital> ah
[01:03] <JDigital> I used to know a jnk
[01:03] <kerframil> MidnightDevil: you can mount shares over smbfs/cifs without samba running as a daemon
[01:04] <MidnightDevil> brb
[01:05] <pepsi> someone pick a number from 1 to 9
[01:05] <pepsi> gareth, pick a number from 1 to 9
[01:05] <gareth> erm...kay....6
[01:05] <robodex> 6
[01:05] <mjr> 7, haha, I barely win
[01:05] <JDigital> heh
[01:06] <pepsi> 6 it is
[01:06] <gareth> i'm totaly lost but heh...
[01:06] <pepsi> shrimp flavor it is
[01:06] <JDigital> Sweet, I got it working. Thanks, jnk
[01:07] <delltony> anyone here have a nomade jukebox zen and had luck getting gnomad2 working?
[01:07] <gareth> nope
[01:08] <delltony> i have the source but can't find the glib dependencies :(
[01:08] <gareth> awwwww
[01:08] <gareth> yay...south park
[01:09] <jnk> delltony,  how are you installing gnomad? using aptitude, apt-get or synaptic , or with another method ?
[01:10] <macewan> I've had items disappear from both my Internet & Multimedia menua areas after I had to force a reboot. These items are there when I view applications with nautilus 'applications:///' - how do I get them back on the menu itself?
[01:11] <gareth> create a shortcut?
[01:11] <gareth> or i think i know what you mean, you need to right click and select Add To Panel
[01:11] <jnk> macewan, maybe you can dpkg-reconfigure the corresponding packages, or just right-clich the menu
[01:12] <gareth> watching south park has really damaged my brain.....andi just turned it on
[01:12] <macewan> k
[01:12] <jnk> (or apt-get --reinstall)
[01:13] <gareth> 'lo
[01:13] <mebaran151> I checked the repos but I couldnt find anything resembling a French-French Dictionary, one that defines French words in terms of other French words?
[01:13] <mebaran151> anyone know where I could find one for dict
[01:13] <jnk> mebaran151, you just need a french dict server
[01:13] <jnk> not a package
[01:13] <mebaran151> or any program similar to it that I could ue in a simple c++ server
[01:13] <mebaran151> yeah
[01:13] <mebaran151> jnk, where do I get one of those
[01:14] <mebaran151> wouldn't I need a dictionary list too though?
[01:14] <mebaran151> like gcide only french
[01:14] <cheesus> does anyone know about problems with 8139c network cards?
[01:14] <jnk> mebaran151, you can just configure gnome-dictionary to use a french server...
[01:14] <jaco> how to play a wmw file?
[01:14] <jnk> jaco, I use mplayer with windows codecs
[01:15] <cheesus> (unknown device 8139 (rev 10))
[01:15] <jaco> jnk i've installed mplayer and copyed original dll in the right directory but it don't load
[01:15] <|QuaD|> bob2 or any canonical employee... are you around?
[01:15] <jaco> need i some additional plugin?
[01:16] <dev3> At installation of Ubuntu I selected no to download updates from the net. How would I get those updates once I am in gnome?
[01:17] <arbeck> Has anyone had any luck getting USB 2.0 hard drives to work?
[01:17] <Cindux> damnt didnt work
[01:18] <Cindux> could anyone tell me using the terminal, how to remove the dir "documents" /home/cindux/documents
[01:18] <Cindux> i created it by accident as root & now i dont have permission to delete it
[01:18] <jnk> jaco, it depends on how you installed mplayer... when I compiled from source I had to put the dll first and explicitely tell ./configure where to look for codecs. Now I just use marillat's packages (and the w32codecs package)
[01:19] <jnk> Cindux, "sudo rm -Rf /home/cindux/documents"
[01:19] <CarlK> apt-cache search java gives me more than I can comprehend... how do I install java ?
[01:19] <Cindux> hm odd
[01:19] <jnk> Cindux, please don't insert spaces if you don't want to loose all your files
[01:19] <helio7> CarlK try ubuntuguide.org
[01:19] <CarlK> thanks
[01:19] <Cindux> i didnt see "-rf" when i did rm --help
[01:19] <helio7> CarlK nice java install guide there
[01:19] <Cindux> thanks
[01:19] <arbeck> I get the following messages whenever I plug in my drive:
[01:20] <arbeck> usb 3-6: new high speed USB device using address 3
[01:20] <arbeck> usb 3-6: device not accepting address 3, error -71
[01:20] <jnk> Cindux, -r (or -R) is for recursive, otherwise you can only delete files. -f is to not be asked for confirmation
[01:20] <mebaran151> what is gnome-dctionary
[01:20] <mebaran151> I have been using command line dict for the longest time
[01:20] <arbeck> My USB mouse and keyboard work fine, and my USB 1.0 camera mounts fine as a hd
[01:20] <Cindux> oh icic
[01:20] <Cindux> k thanks ill try it
[01:20] <Cindux> brb
[01:21] <jedi> i'm having trouble getting postfix to accept external connections on port 25. I've already set the inet_interfaces to "all" and restarted it, but with no luck. What more do i need to do?
[01:21] <jnk> mebaran151, it's an utility included with gnome (so ubuntu), just try it..
[01:21] <mebaran151> heheh jnk
[01:21] <mebaran151> so I can remove all the silly dict packages I installed
[01:22] <jnk> lol
[01:22] <helio7> mebaran151 you can add it to the panel too, I think that's the same one
[01:22] <mebaran151> heheh
[01:22] <mebaran151> cool
[01:22] <mebaran151> anyone know though
[01:22] <mebaran151> how I could put it in a little program
[01:22] <mebaran151> I want to be able to give it a list of french words from an array
[01:22] <mebaran151> and output all the defs
[01:23] <arbeck> I'm sure you could easily write a script to do it... how good are you at scripting?
[01:23] <mebaran151> arbeck
[01:23] <mebaran151> I can do tolerable C
[01:23] <mebaran151> never really done much scripting
[01:24] <arbeck> mebaran151: I use python for all my scripting... if you read through the python tutorial you should have enough knowledge to write what you want
[01:24] <mebaran151> I tried the python tutorial
[01:24] <mebaran151> I got it
[01:24] <mebaran151> but what module would I include
[01:25] <mebaran151> my C was tolerable only because of the good library work of others :)
[01:26] <jnk> mebaran151, given the small size of the program I think you can just study the source code, that's free software :)  (apt-get source gnome-dictionary   will get you the source in the current directory)
[01:26] <jnk> (provided you have a deb-src line in sources.list)
[01:27] <mebaran151> cool
[01:27] <arbeck> mebaran151:  figure out how to do a word lookup from the command line, and then just run the command line through python -> os.popen("command here"
[01:27] <mebaran151> ah
[01:27] <arbeck> you will have to import the os lib
[01:27] <mebaran151> and then it would just be a simple loop sort of thing
[01:28] <mebaran151> wait input --> output to text file
[01:28] <mebaran151> easy
[01:28] <mebaran151> no sources pkgs for gnome-dictionary
[01:28] <arbeck> now that that is finished... who wants to make my USB HD work
[01:28] <mebaran151> I DO!
[01:28] <mebaran151> Now can I
[01:28] <mebaran151> that is the question
[01:29] <jnk> mebaran151, you must have a deb-src line to warty (or hoary) main in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:29] <dev3> Quick question: I installed the latest firefox 1.0. But the links on my gnome desktop and menu still point to 0.9
[01:29] <dev3> How would I uninstall 0.9 and hae the links point to 1.0?
[01:29] <mebaran151> I have a deb-src line
[01:29] <jnk> dev3, how did you install this firefox ?
[01:29] <mebaran151> I always include them
[01:29] <arbeck> dev3: I'm guessing you didn't install firefox through apt
[01:29] <dev3> nope
[01:29] <dev3> =x
[01:29] <mebaran151> cool
[01:30] <mebaran151> gnome-dictionary is just a frontend to dict
[01:30] <dev3> I'm not to familiar with the apt command
[01:30] <arbeck> dev3: then you'll have to uninstall .9 through apt and manually set up links to 1.0
[01:30] <jnk> mebaran151, sorry my error: it's gnome-utils
[01:30] <dev3> okay
[01:30] <mebaran151> np
[01:30] <mebaran151> it is a dict frontend
[01:30] <dev3> What command would I use?
[01:30] <mebaran151> (says so in the manpage)
[01:30] <mebaran151> so all I need to do is find a French dict server online
[01:30] <eruin> why not just update 0.9 to 1.0 through apt though?
[01:30] <arbeck> dev3: you'd be better off removing 1.0 and upgrading though apt
[01:30] <dev3> okay
[01:30] <dev3> How would I do that though =x
[01:30] <eruin> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:31] <arbeck> dev3: just run synaptic... computer -> system configuration -> synaptic
[01:31] <tga> mm, synaptic is nice
[01:31] <arbeck> dev3: then search for firefox
[01:31] <tga> apt-get install mozilla-firefox?
[01:31] <dev3> Mark for complete removal?
[01:32] <arbeck> dev3: I wouldn't do that
[01:32] <dev3> I only see  0.9 installed
[01:32] <arbeck> dev3: then you need to change your sources to include the backports to get 1.0
[01:32] <jnk> mebaran151, tell me if you find a French server!
[01:32] <dev3> Couldn't I full uninstall firefox 0.9
[01:33] <dev3> then use apt-get to install it
[01:33] <dev3> install 1.0*
[01:33] <arbeck> dev3: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:33] <jnk> dev3, don't uninstall, it will automatically be upgraded
[01:33] <arbeck> dev3: you will need to update your ports to see 1.0... remove the 1.0 you installed manually follow the directions in that URL and then it will UPGRADE you to 1.0
[01:33] <jnk> while uninstalling will uninstall ubuntu (or ubuntu-desktop or something)
[01:33] <dev3> okay
[01:34] <arbeck> some one tell me how I got roped into giving advice... I came here to get help :(
[01:34] <dev3> How can I uninstall the 1.0 I already installed?
[01:34] <dev3> just delete the folder?
[01:34] <Pyre> Nite
[01:34] <jnk> dev3, if you just created a folder then yes just delete it
[01:35] <jnk> if you copied files somewhere, delete those
[01:35] <jnk> if you used a script, you're toast
[01:35] <arbeck> dev3: since I don't know how you installed it, I can't really answer that... the readme should tell you
[01:35] <mebaran151> arbeck, what woudl you like
[01:35] <mebaran151> I got my firewire drive to work
[01:36] <mebaran151> I think it will be module work
[01:36] <arbeck> mebaran151: my usb drive doesn't seem to be recognized... dmesg gives me this error when I plug it in
[01:36] <dc17> what's the preferred ubuntu/debian location for jdk javadoc?
[01:36] <mebaran151> what does dmesg say
[01:36] <mebaran151> dmesg is never wrong
[01:36] <mebaran151> :)
[01:36] <arbeck> usb 3-6: new high speed USB device using address 4 usb 3-6: device not accepting address 4, error -71
[01:36] <mebaran151> hmmm
[01:36] <mebaran151> I think it is a flaky hardware thing
[01:37] <mebaran151> it sounds as though your device wont let dmesg initialize it
[01:37] <mebaran151> did it come with a windows driver cd
[01:37] <dev3> How would I know which backport I need?
[01:37] <dev3> hoary or warty
[01:37] <arbeck> mebaran151: I've tried turning of APIC in my bios, booting with it APIC off, updating my bios, turning off IRQ's to the USB
[01:37] <arbeck> dev3: are you running hoary or warty?
[01:38] <arbeck> mebaran151: All my other USB devices work great... and my camera even auto mounts as a hard drive
[01:38] <jnk> dev3, for hoary you don't need backports
[01:38] <dev3> I really have no idea which I am running.
[01:38] <jnk> dev3, if you are just using the regular ubuntu, it's warty
[01:38] <arbeck> mebaran151: the USB hard drive is home made... i just put an IDE drive in a case.  It works fine on XP and OSX
[01:38] <dev3> alright
[01:38] <dev3> so
[01:39] <dev3> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports wartyports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:39] <dev3> Is what I would put in my source.list
[01:39] <arbeck> dev3: yes... then when you run synaptic you should have the option to upgrade firefox
[01:39] <dev3> alright
[01:41] <arbeck> mebaran151: I'm think that USB 2.0 doesn't work quite right with bios... but I can't prove it
[01:42] <arbeck> mebaran151: I'm thinking maybe I'll burn a knoppix live cd and see if I can access it under that... if so, I know it's a problem somewhere in Ubuntu
[01:42] <Tzi> Hi =) Anyone have any idea why there are two mouse cursors in this new Warty install?  One is the standard white pointer, the other is the big 'X' cursor.  The 'X' can't be controlled, and it disappears if you drag a window underneath it...
[01:44] <delltony> question how would one install gnomad2 from hoary to warty? or is that just asking for trouble? i noticed gnomad2 was in the hoary universe though
[01:44] <mebaran151> it sounds liek it
[01:45] <mebaran151> check your bios
[01:45] <mebaran151> and make sure it is set right
[01:45] <mebaran151> delltony, you are just asking for it
[01:45] <mebaran151> all the libs are slightly difference
[01:45] <jnk> delltony, you can as well upgrade to hoary...
[01:46] <delltony> well i tried to upgrade to hoary before and it borked me
[01:46] <delltony> so i'm holding out till the release
[01:47] <niptac> hi guys, does anyone know where I can download libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7) from? I run warty and version of libgnomevfs2-0 in warty is 2.8.2-0ubuntu1
[01:47] <jnk> delltony, ok you can try this:
[01:47] <GIMP666> is there a good FirstPersonShooter i can apt-get?
[01:47] <niptac> Im trying to install bluefish_1.0_unoficial-1_i386.deb
[01:48] <niptac> and its a dependency problem
[01:48] <usual> niptac, 1.0 is in hoary
[01:48] <usual> are you using hoary
[01:48] <delltony> jnk?
[01:48] <niptac> Im using warty
[01:48] <usual> oh
[01:48] <jnk> delltony, get the source package for gnomad2, and the ubuntu warty developement packages for the necessary libraries, and recompile the gnomad package. In summary: make your own backport
[01:48] <usual> niptac, build your own deb
[01:48] <usual> niptac, msg me if you like
[01:49] <niptac> usual no idea how to build it
[01:49] <niptac> ok
[01:49] <delltony> yeah i have b ee doing that and man im getting dependencies out the butt haha
[01:49] <dc17> is there an archive of this channel anywhere?
[01:49] <GIMP666> is there a first person shooter I can apt-get in ubuntu
[01:49] <dev3> is there a command to recieve svn(subversion)?
[01:49] <goldfish> GIMP666: D/load america's army
[01:50] <jnk> dev3,  recieve? what to you mean ?
[01:50] <GIMP666> goldfish, does it work on linux?
[01:50] <dev3> download/install
[01:50] <arbeck> mebaran151: I've tried every concievable bios setting... but I've learned linux doesn't always agree with my nforce2 bios
[01:50] <goldfish> GIMP666: there is a linux version, yes
[01:50] <goldfish> works fine
[01:50] <GIMP666> goldfish, thanks man
[01:50] <jnk> dev3, sudo aptitude install subversion
[01:51] <delltony> jnk: tell me this would you recommend trying to upgrade to hoary again?
[01:51] <delltony> or just hold up cause last time i tried x wouldn't start among other thigns
[01:51] <dc17> delltony: I installed hoary array-5 and it is much better than array-3 IMO
[01:52] <dev3> jnk, I dont think that worked.
[01:52] <jnk> delltony, maybe try the hoary livecd...
[01:52] <delltony> yeah that might work
[01:52] <delltony> no the thing is
[01:52] <delltony> if the live cd works
[01:52] <dev3> That just ran the update/upgrade
[01:52] <aeonphive> in hoary array5, how do i know what alsa is configured to?
[01:52] <delltony> is that a almost certain that the full install will?
[01:53] <jnk> delltony, with the latest live-cd, I would say almost, yes
[01:54] <delltony> ok ill give it another go
[01:54] <delltony> the thing is i have sued backports and i think that is what killed me last time
[01:54] <GIMP666> goldfish, how do I install AA
[01:54] <delltony> used even
[01:55] <goldfish> GIMP666: download the .run file
[01:55] <goldfish> 736mb
[01:55] <goldfish> or so
[01:55] <delltony> but hopefully when i try again i can get someone to help me get it up and running if i have issues. thats why i was waiting for release so id be able to get more support hopefully warty installed smoothly with very little problems
[01:55] <delltony> hopefully hoary will do the same after development
[01:56] <dev3> hmm
[01:56] <GIMP666> goldfish, it doesn't download, it comes up in browser with alot of coding
[01:56] <dev3> Cant find package subversion
[01:56] <goldfish> GIMP666: you got azureus?
[01:56] <GIMP666> goldfish, nvm I think Im downloading it
[01:56] <delltony> jnk: lastest live cd is array 5 live correct?
[01:57] <jnk> delltony, dunno... I think so
[01:57] <goldfish> GIMP666: k
[01:57] <delltony> ok
[01:57] <jnk> dev3, you did "sudo aptitude install subversion" ?
[01:59] <MidnightDevil> hey
[01:59] <MidnightDevil> how can i enable terminal borders transparency ?
[01:59] <mebaran151> anoyone know where I can find a dict server for the french language
[01:59] <mebaran151> like french to french word lookup
[02:00] <mebaran151> I figured it out for english
[02:00] <boogerhead> how can I make ubuntu work with fasttrack sata and wd Raptor hd?
[02:00] <mebaran151> really short script
[02:01] <delltony> would it be best to tarball my home dir and then just do a clean install using hoary or do an upgrade?
[02:02] <xiximkopp> is the mkinitrd command currently not working or am i doing something wrong (mkinitrd -o init-2.6.11 2.6.11)?
[02:02] <jnk> delltony, what was it that didn't work last time ?
[02:02] <delltony> x wouldn't start
[02:02] <delltony> and i had tons of dependency issues
[02:02] <jnk> how did you install hoary?
[02:02] <jnk> upgrade ?
[02:02] <delltony> with upgrade
[02:02] <mebaran151> delltony, in theory you can do it by apt
[02:02] <mebaran151> but I found apt was sometimes flaky over huge installs
[02:02] <jnk> I would go with upgrade anyway...
[02:02] <mebaran151> so I did a clean reinstall
[02:03] <mebaran151> and had the best of luck
[02:03] <jnk> and if it doesn't work you can reinstall
[02:03] <mebaran151> you just have to hope apt doesnt make any oopses
[02:03] <delltony> yeah i think its cause i use backports
[02:03] <delltony> someone statted that backports will bork it
[02:03] <zenwhen> yeah
[02:03] <zenwhen> backports screwed me
[02:03] <zenwhen> my main system is a mess
[02:03] <delltony> so how do you overcome it?
[02:04] <delltony> just a fresh install?
[02:04] <jnk> delltony, and use "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" right ?
[02:04] <delltony> yep
[02:04] <zenwhen> my laptop is pure hoary
[02:04] <zenwhen> and works blissfully
[02:04] <delltony> here is what i done
[02:04] <delltony> i changed all repositories to hoary
[02:04] <zenwhen> delltony, that is what I plan
[02:04] <boogerhead> my system stalls after "Starting hotplug subsystem" how can I make ubuntu work with fasttrack sata and wd Raptor hd?
[02:04] <delltony> and i then apt-get update
[02:04] <zenwhen> the upgrade will not go cleanly
[02:04] <delltony> apt-get upgrade
[02:04] <delltony> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:04] <delltony> and then it was by by linux
[02:05] <zenwhen> right
[02:05] <zenwhen> grab a hoary array 5 install ISO
[02:05] <zenwhen> and go from there
[02:05] <delltony> yeah the install one right?
[02:05] <zenwhen> yes
[02:05] <delltony> ok let me do that now
[02:05] <delltony> i was getting the live cd
[02:05] <zenwhen> array dicks are supposed to not be broken in any magor ways
[02:05] <zenwhen> lol
[02:05] <zenwhen> i mean disks
[02:05] <delltony> yeah sure thats what you ment :)
[02:06] <zenwhen> ;)
[02:06] <zenwhen> anyway, array four installed fgrea ton my laptop
[02:06] <tga> I remember a banner-like app that produces fancy ASCII text.. does anyone remember the name?
[02:06] <jnk> bye
[02:06] <mebaran151> how do I work with external programs in C++ if they dont provide a library
[02:06] <delltony> either its me or the servers or slow one
[02:06] <zenwhen> I have faith that array five will be fine on my desktop when my new hard drive hets here
[02:06] <jnk> tga, figlet ?
[02:06] <mebaran151> anybody know a good resource for that sort of thing
[02:06] <tga> thanks jnk :)
[02:06] <delltony> iso it taking 21 hours to download haha
[02:06] <delltony> brb food time
[02:07] <lexhider> I seemed to have stuffed my setup. Home isn't in the Places menu, and if I click on Places->Desktop it tells me "Cannot display location", there is no do default action associated with this location. Any ideas?
[02:07] <lexhider> this is hoary
[02:08] <boogerhead> dont ask me, I can't even boot up... can anybody help this ole boogerhead?
[02:08] <boogerhead> my system stalls after "Starting hotplug subsystem" how can I make ubuntu work with fasttrack sata and wd Raptor hd?
[02:09] <zenwhen> i wish i knew
[02:09] <zenwhen> id tell you
[02:09] <zenwhen> lol
[02:09] <jnk> boogerhead, maybe try #debian and prepare to be shot
[02:10] <jnk> good night
[02:10] <boogerhead> life is hard on us old guys, I guess I have to go back to FC3
[02:10] <silvermoon> anyone know a quick way to get my sb16 pnp card working? I know the irq and all that
[02:10] <jnk> boogerhead, or file a bug report! bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[02:10] <boogerhead> tnks jnk
[02:11] <jnk> (I found the ubuntu guys quite responsive)
[02:11] <boogerhead> I guess I will do just that
[02:11] <jay__> some help here... i just upgraded to hoary on my ppc system but it doesnt look any different... did i screw up?
[02:11] <ompaul> jay__, no
[02:12] <ompaul> jay__, now look again have you now got three menu items on the top panel? you used to have two :)
[02:13] <ompaul> jay__, one takes it you have rebooted
[02:13] <jay__> also my wireless usb dlink key... is detected in the device manager but not in network-admin
[02:13] <jay__> ompau1 o i see
[02:13] <jay__> its a dwl-122
[02:13] <jay__> using prism2
[02:13] <jay__> will it work?
[02:14] <zenwhen> should
[02:14] <jay__> not detected how do i configure it
[02:14] <jay__> just add it manually in the wizard?
[02:14] <ompaul> go for it
[02:15] <zenwhen> i would TRY the wizard
[02:15] <zenwhen> i love my orinoco gold classic
[02:15] <zenwhen> :)
[02:15] <jay__> zen... wizard does not detect it... so should i add it manually
[02:15] <ompaul> essid=any
[02:16] <zenwhen> i dont knwo what you would add it manually to
[02:16] <ompaul> ahh well I need to go to bed - work in morning :-)
[02:16] <zenwhen> I dont know anything about that chipset
[02:16] <zenwhen> hey jay__
[02:17] <zenwhen> look at this
[02:17] <zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html
[02:17] <zenwhen> its the solution to your issue
[02:17] <zenwhen> I obtained it with a simple googling of "prism2 linux"
[02:18] <Frederick> ppl I just want to say ubuntu community rocks no rtfm trolls here, I love you all :o*
[02:18] <Frederick> damm =*
[02:18] <zenwhen> :-*
[02:18] <zenwhen> I am occasionally helpful
[02:18] <zenwhen> when I am not drunk and throwing things
[02:19] <zenwhen> ;)
[02:20] <santiago> Hi
[02:20] <santiago> what packages do I need to reproduce a vcd?
[02:32] <helio1> what's the apt-get to get the most recent fluxbox version (9.11)
[02:33] <helio1> I guess it's technically "unstable" but the one I got via apt-get is like 2 years old and unmaintained
[02:33] <zenwhen> lol
[02:34] <jay__> zen: did not help much
[02:34] <jay__> :(
[02:35] <arbeck> can someone help me with nautilus?  when i try to burn a cd, it just keeps asking to insert a disc
[02:36] <Frederick> arbeck did you mount your cd?
[02:36] <Frederick> the disk you wanna copu?
[02:36] <Frederick> *copy?
[02:37] <Frederick> mount /mnt/cdrom
[02:37] <Frederick> arbeck and be welcome :)
[02:37] <delltony> how many arrays till release i use to have a link to the release chart for hoary but i lost it if someone coulde send it to me again that would be great
[02:38] <arbeck> Frederick: I'm not copying a cd... i'm writing an iso to disc
[02:38] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[02:39] <Frederick> arbeck where are you stuck? I mean cant you mount? Read? Copy? Explain your problem better
[02:40] <arbeck> Frederick: I right click on the iso and say write to disc... the dialog comes up I click the button for burn... it says "Insert a blank cd into the drive"
[02:40] <arbeck> Frederick: there is a blank cd already there
[02:40] <Frederick> arbeck did you mount the driver?
[02:40] <Frederick> mount /mnt/cdrom
[02:41] <mattcamp> Hello.  I was wondering why the ubuntu-desktop meta-package includes so many Python packages in its dependencies.  Are all of those actually necessary?
[02:42] <arbeck> Frederick: it's set up to mount in my fstab, I have no problem reading or playing cd's... and I have no problem burning from the command line with cdrecord
[02:43] <Frederick> arbeck I just read what you wirteen again sorry you need to mount the iso I THINK
[02:43] <Frederick> arbeck http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html
[02:43] <geargolem> how, may I ask, can I switch my spm to universe?
[02:43] <helio1> anyone know an alternate source for the latest fluxbox dev version? the debian package on the sourceforge page is not loading for me
[02:43] <arbeck> Frederick: that's not it... because I get the same response no matter what I try to burn from nautilus... It always tells me to insert a blank disc
[02:44] <delltony> jdub thanks
[02:44] <Frederick> arbeck so I dont know how to help you :(
[02:45] <geargolem> dammit!
[02:45] <Poyayan> hey is anyone having problems with synaptic?
[02:45] <geargolem> this ubuntu can bite my ass~!
[02:45] <geargolem> heheh
[02:45] <arbeck> Frederick: I never thought you did :)
[02:46] <arbeck> can anyone else help with burning a cd from nautilus?
[02:46] <Poyayan> what sort of cd?
[02:47] <Poyayan> anyway I can't set my repositories through synaptic anymore
[02:47] <Poyayan> whenever I try it just refreshes the pack listing
[02:47] <arbeck> Poyayan: just a data cd... nautilus won't recognize that my cd burner has a blank cd in it... cdrecord works fine from the command line
[02:47] <zenrox> any one know how to get 2 nvidia cards to play nice and do a dual montiors
[02:48] <Poyayan> hmm you using Warty or Hoary?
[02:48] <zenrox> in hoary
[02:48] <zenrox> xorg.conf
[02:48] <Poyayan> sorry I was talking to arbeck
[02:48] <Poyayan> I have no idea about that zenrox
[02:48] <zenrox> oh
[02:49] <Poyayan> sorry
[02:49] <zenrox> ya bolth cards are nvidias
[02:49] <geargolem> trying to get yafray to talk to blender
[02:49] <arbeck> Poyayan: I'm using warty
[02:49] <zenrox> i can paste my xorg.conf file to help
[02:49] <zenrox> and my log file
[02:50] <zenrox> if any one has experenice
[02:50] <Poyayan> arbeck if you go to nautilus then click places you should be able to go to cd/dvd creator
[02:52] <geargolem> I couldn't find the latest builds with my synaptic package manager...
[02:52] <geargolem> so I downloaded blender and yafray manually
[02:53] <geargolem> but I can't get yafray to render for blender internally
[02:53] <dev3> What package do I need for all the different compilers
[02:53] <bzbb> what package do I install for a JVM?
[02:53] <pepsi> which weighs more? a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?
[02:53] <dev3> Nevermind, found it.
[02:54] <arbeck> Poyayan: I know that... my problem is, when I try to burn the actual cd, nautilus keeps telling me to put in a blank... it WON'T burn
[02:54] <Poyayan> hmm
[02:54] <Poyayan> it might be the 2.6.8.1 kernel arbeck
[02:55] <Poyayan> it had lots of problems but you can burn with the command line ....
[02:55] <Poyayan> I don't know to be honest arbeck
[02:56] <stuNNed> the update manager is really really sweet, very well done imho
[02:57] <arbeck> Poyayan: It's nothing wrong with the kernel because cdrecord works fine from the command line, and gnomebaker works fine
[02:57] <Frederick> bzbb you mean you want to run java?
[02:57] <bzbb> firefox says I have no JVM
[02:58] <Frederick> bzbb lemme google 2 seconds
[02:59] <Frederick> bzbb add to you favorites http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:59] <delltony> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla tahts another good place to look
[03:00] <zenwhen> delltony,
[03:00] <delltony> yes?
[03:00] <zenwhen> did you get that fixed?
[03:00] <delltony> get what fixed ?
[03:00] <Frederick> I think they changed this wiki, when I installed it Ive compiled suns binary to a .deb :)
[03:01] <zenwhen> were you the wireless issue guy?
[03:01] <delltony> no
[03:01] <zenwhen> o
[03:01] <zenwhen> ok
[03:01] <delltony> i'm the guy downloading the iso of array 5
[03:01] <delltony> waiting to light a fuse to my linux box :P
[03:01] <zenwhen> oh
[03:01] <zenwhen> you are that guy
[03:01] <delltony> cand you say boom :)
[03:01] <delltony> j/k
[03:01] <zenrox> i am the one fighing with dual head
[03:01] <zenwhen> lol
[03:02] <delltony> buddy of mine installed hoary from the live cd had nada problems
[03:02] <zenrox> i have done some  instering tests
[03:02] <zenwhen> zenrox,
[03:02] <delltony> so i'm gonna go that route instead of the upgrade
[03:02] <zenwhen> what video card
[03:02] <zenrox> 2 nvidia cards
[03:03] <delltony> one thing i'm curious of
[03:03] <zenwhen> oh
[03:03] <delltony> is there a way to save the home dir on the harddrive and then pull it bck into linux after the install
[03:03] <delltony> or am i gonna have to go get some dvds and burn my stuff :(
[03:03] <zenrox> not pci-x
[03:04] <delltony> ls
[03:04] <delltony> err sorry wrong window  haha
[03:04] <robodex> rm -rf /
[03:04] <zenrox> it can be done in suse
[03:05] <stuNNed> robodex: oldest trick in the book, but why? :)
[03:05] <robodex> hehe
[03:05] <robodex> wouldn't work, though, I didn't say "sudo" ;)
[03:06] <delltony> in other words is there a way to install and keep the home dir in tack?
[03:06] <zenrox> ya make it a defent partion
[03:06] <ells> apokryphos, I upgraded to hoary, can you give me the link again, for your sources
[03:06] <geargolem> yafray 0.0.7~2 install help?
[03:06] <helio1> I got a sanity error when trying to compile something with GCC which is the GCC version I should get?
[03:06] <apokryphos> ells: Sure: www.youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list
[03:07] <ells> thanks man
[03:07] <delltony> so just creat a new partition? and then i can remove the partition later or what?
[03:08] <apokryphos> np
[03:09] <stuNNed> delltony: do some partitioning magic, backup home to a separate ext3 partition.
[03:10] <bur[n] er> anyoen know how to edit the gnome menu?  i want to add an application
[03:10] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, in Hoary ?
[03:11] <bur[n] er> yeah
[03:11] <bur[n] er> i couldn't do it in warty
[03:11] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, afaik you can't using a gui
[03:11] <bur[n] er> :\
[03:11] <bur[n] er> oh well, i'm used to alt+f2, blah
[03:12] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, I don't know why it's not there, maybe they are working on another app to manage the gnome application menu
[03:12] <delltony> ok one other thing if i currently use ndiswrapper for the broadcom and i install hoary fresh clean install will i still have to use ndiswrapper or is it included now?
[03:13] <bur[n] er> LinuxJones: well, i run debian on my desktop... and there's no way to do it in debian's gnome either
[03:13] <LinuxJones> delltony, what model ?
[03:14] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, they must be working on something that can't be left out :D
[03:14] <delltony> of the modem is broadcom bcml5a.inf is really all i know let me look it up hang on
[03:14] <delltony> nic i mean
[03:14] <godsmoke> does ubuntu use debian's 'menu' package to handle menu generation?
[03:14] <godsmoke> because there's no proper menu in xfce on ubuntu
[03:15] <godsmoke> which is just bad
[03:16] <delltony>  BCM94306
[03:16] <GammaRay> no.. ubuntu does not
[03:16] <Daylighter> i have a question (as i am sure many people do)
[03:17] <godsmoke> well ... then they should replace the package -- because it's an issue that the menus are gnome-only
[03:17] <zenrox> ask away
[03:17] <LinuxJones> delltony, it doesn't look like a module has been aded for it. Looks like you will need to use ndiswrapper
[03:17] <delltony> ok thats fine no big deal was just curious
[03:17] <Daylighter> well
[03:17] <delltony> i hope this works for me
[03:17] <Daylighter> i have an imac and want to reinstall OS X after putting ubuntu on it
[03:17] <delltony> and i hope when i installe array 5 and gett it working the other array installs will be just a simple upgrade
[03:17] <godsmoke> Daylighter: you want to get rid of ubuntu?
[03:17] <Daylighter> but when i boot into the panther CD, i get the big ol' "no-smoking"-like thing
[03:18] <Daylighter> no, i just dont want to use it on the mac
[03:18] <godsmoke> or install OS X next to ubuntu
[03:18] <cybane> Sup OrangeSlice
[03:18] <Daylighter> yea
[03:18] <godsmoke> right ... so you want to overwrite it
[03:18] <Daylighter> but i want to clear the HD off.
[03:18] <godsmoke> heh
[03:18] <godsmoke> you're saying two opposite things
[03:18] <Daylighter> but OS X wont even let me boot to its installer
[03:18] <Daylighter> odd odd stuff
[03:19] <regeya> Daylighter: Huh.  This is going to sound silly, but try zapping pram, and resetting nvram, then try to boot off of cd
[03:19] <godsmoke> yeah
[03:19] <Amaranth> heh, that's a common technique for fixing PearPC issues
[03:19] <Daylighter> how do i do that? (seeing as i am a new mac user) :)
[03:19] <godsmoke> macs have horrible booting mechanisms
[03:19] <Amaranth> deleteing (clearing) the nvram
[03:19] <Daylighter> i am on the PC now.
[03:19] <regeya> yipe
[03:19] <Amaranth> godsmoke: OpenFirmware > BIOS
[03:19] <regeya> you're installing ubuntu on a mac and you're new to macs?  you are brave.
[03:19] <godsmoke> Amaranth: if it works ... yea
[03:19] <Daylighter> yes
[03:19] <Daylighter> i am
[03:19] <Daylighter> lol
[03:20] <Daylighter> someone gave me a disc, why not try it
[03:20] <godsmoke> regeya: why do you say that?
[03:20] <Daylighter> Well this ordeal is why :)
[03:20] <godsmoke> this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[03:20] <regeya> Daylighter:  when the machine boots, hold down Option-Command-P-R, and keep holding those keys until you've heard the startup "bong" sound three times.
[03:20] <helio1> can anyone explain to me what "error C++ preprocessor "/ib/cpp" fails sanity check" means?  (Trying to compile something)
[03:20] <regeya> Then, hold down Option-Apple-O-F
[03:20] <regeya> godsmoke: hi, have we met?
[03:20] <GammaRay> godsmoke: as far as the debian manu system is complicated and error prone and since ubuntu is focused on gnome, why should there be any pains taken to share a menu?
[03:20] <helio1> it says there's a config.log but I don't know where it is if it's not in /var/log/
[03:21] <LinuxJones> helio1, install build-essential
[03:21] <godsmoke> regeya: dunno ... maybe
[03:21] <godsmoke> GammaRay: well ... because it's the smart, and modular way to handle it
[03:21] <helio1> thanks linuxJones
[03:21] <godsmoke> because honestly, you can focus on whatever you like -- but the option of other window managers should always be there -- and that doesn't mean kicking them to the curb
[03:21] <regeya> godsmoke, if I'm telling Daylighter wrong, burst in with the right answer, rather than asking me why I'm doing it.  I don't mind. :-D
[03:22] <LinuxJones> helio1, :)
[03:22] <Daylighter> lol
[03:22] <godsmoke> regeya: no no -- I agree with your recommendation
[03:22] <GammaRay> there are no other desktops shipped w/ ubuntu anyways
[03:22] <godsmoke> GammaRay: I'm aware
[03:22] <regeya> ANYWAY
[03:22] <Daylighter> hihi thanks regeya i will try it
[03:23] <regeya> Daylighter: to make sure nvram is zapped after that, hold down Option-Command-O-F, and when you get an open firmware prompt, type these in:
[03:23] <godsmoke> GammaRay: I wasn't aware it was ubuntu's goal to have an extremely isolated distribution -- that's the point of keeping universe/multiverse around
[03:23] <regeya> reset-nvram
[03:23] <regeya> reset-all
[03:23] <regeya> and if you get an error on reset-nvram, try 'set-defaults'
[03:23] <dev3> Has anyone compiled winex cvs before?
[03:23] <regeya> then try booting off of cd
[03:23] <godsmoke> anyway bbl -- gotta put unstable on this box
[03:23] <Daylighter> oki
[03:24] <GammaRay> Don't you just hate people who say something like that and then.. leave.
[03:24] <regeya> Daylighter: good luck; I think you'll like Macs (you said you're new to MacOS)
[03:25] <regeya> Daylighter: also, if you're wanting some Free Software while you're getting aquainted with Macs, take a look at http://fink.sourceforge.net
[03:26] <Daylighter> that works :D
[03:26] <Daylighter> yeah, i hope to get a decent mac someday
[03:27] <Daylighter> right now i am using an original iMac with 160mb ram and vram of 6mb, with OS X and believe it or not, it doesnt run all that bad!
[03:27] <Amaranth> Daylighter: Man Mini :)
[03:27] <Amaranth> err, Mac
[03:27] <Daylighter> Hah!
[03:27] <Daylighter> lol
[03:27] <Daylighter> well, actually
[03:27] <Daylighter> i am in a bind
[03:28] <Daylighter> i need a new PC and i need a new mac, one for certain things, and the other for other certain things
[03:28] <Daylighter> but i cant even afford a decent PC, and PCs are cheap
[03:29] <Maniqu> hi all!
[03:29] <helio1> whoops upgraded to hoary and got a little itty bitty 640x480 screen on my 1400x1050 screen... anyone have any good ideas before I spend hours mucking around like a newb with XFree86.conf???
[03:30] <Maniqu> am i in the right channel? I'm looking for help
[03:30] <Maniqu> on Ubuntu
[03:30] <LinuxJones> helio1, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:30] <zenwhen> this is the place
[03:31] <Mannequin> thanks
[03:31] <Codyman> is there any linux on-the-fly mp3 rippers?
[03:32] <Mannequin> well, I'm seeing that there is lot of people in this channel... should I ask my question? should I wait?
[03:32] <zenwhen> grip
[03:32] <zenwhen> ask
[03:32] <Codyman> zen: really?  on the fly
[03:32] <LinuxJones> Mannequin, go ahead
[03:34] <Mannequin> well... right now, i'm connected from a winxp system... 'cause my MSI PC54G2 (Ralink 2500) isnt configured in Ubuntu fresh clean install...
[03:34] <Mannequin> (BTW, I'm TOTALLY newbie on Linux... 45 minutes ago, it was my first installation)
[03:34] <cybane> YAY! I am not alone Mannequin
[03:34] <zenwhen> hey
[03:35] <zenwhen> lol
[03:35] <zenwhen> i got disconnected
[03:35] <zenwhen> ask again
[03:35] <Mannequin> I have found useful information at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[03:35] <Mannequin> cybane do you have the same problem?
[03:35] <cybane> No
[03:35] <cybane> But I am glad there are other linux newbies here with me =)
[03:35] <goldfish> i am one  too :)
[03:36] <Daylighter> yay regeya it worked
[03:36] <Daylighter> i am installing now
[03:36] <cybane> I am trying to figure out Linux, Apache2, PHP5, and Permissions all at the same time
[03:36] <Mannequin> hehehehe, i have recently born to this new word (one hour ago)
[03:37] <cybane> I will say there is a certain level of satisfaction from installing apps the long way and not using Synaptic
[03:37] <helio1> LinuxJones: well I ran that dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and now I have no X at all
[03:37] <Mannequin> well, expert people, by reading, I have understood that I have to upgrade? my Ubuntu kernel? No idea how to do this, and no idea how to do this offline...
[03:37] <zenwhen> i have been using linux only for seven months and dual booting since 2000
[03:38] <goldfish> i am dualbooting for 3 weeks nw
[03:38] <LinuxJones> helio1, there is a backup of the old config file in /etc/X11/xorg
[03:38] <Mannequin> can i download the upgrade to a windows partition, then log on to linux and upgrade my Ubuntu system?
[03:39] <zul> i been using linux for 8 year
[03:39] <zul> years even ;)
[03:39] <goldfish> now that mannequin mentions it, do you have to upgrade the ubuntu kernal?
[03:39] <dud> I think I tried linux/bsd back in 1996 the first time...
[03:40] <Chipzz> Mannequin: you can
[03:40] <dud> some ancient freebsd or such
[03:40] <tritium> Slackware
[03:40] <cybane> Anyone know how to solve this error? configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up
[03:40] <JDahl> zul, I was writing a raytracer with Borland C++ under DOS, and I hated the 64kb segments, so a friend brought over 30 floppies or so and install linux for me... back in 94-95 I think
[03:41] <Mannequin> cool... let's go on... how do I upgrade my Ubuntu system? I understand that I have to upgrade it to support my MSI Wireless card (.11g)
[03:41] <Daylighter> i couldnt program myself out of a bag of BASIC
[03:41] <zul> JDahl, cool
[03:41] <Mannequin> (and then install some drivers I downloaded from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)
[03:42] <LinuxJones> Mannequin, if you download the latest Hoary Array 5 cd and burn it you should be able to upgrade using it I would imagine.
[03:42] <goldfish> If one haas warty, should they upgrade to hoary now?
[03:43] <Mannequin> oh, I forgot to say I have the 4.01 release... recently arrived to my home... (bs. as. argentina)
[03:43] <LinuxJones> goldfish, some things don't work as well but I think most peopel are happy with it
[03:43] <goldfish> LinuxJones: okay, thanks
[03:44] <goldfish> LinuxJones: Is it much different?
[03:44] <LinuxJones> goldfish, I like it alot so far no real major bugs for me
[03:44] <Mannequin> should I uninstall my old version of Ubuntu, and download Ubuntu v. 5 ?
[03:44] <JDahl> goldfish, depends on if you desperately needs the newest packages... I am happy with Warty on this machine, and unless you're fairly familiar with the apt tools (so you can fix broken dependencies etc) I wouldnt recommend it
[03:44] <LinuxJones> goldfish, themes and a few other things aren't exactly working 100 % but i can live without that
[03:45] <goldfish> ok, im a n00b, so il think ill stick with warty for the time being :0
[03:45] <cybane> Good idea
[03:45] <Chipzz> Mannequin: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.11/
[03:45] <Chipzz> or http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[03:45] <dud> I might have a go at making a gui-based front end for all the common tasks that needs to be done for the newbie installation *_*
[03:45] <dud> I'm considering it at least
[03:46] <Chipzz> you can install the packages you download from there with dpkg -i
[03:46] <Mannequin> thanks chipzz
[03:46] <dud> should be fairly easy to implement something like that
[03:46] <christopher_> does anybody know if there is a windows media player for ubuntu
[03:46] <dud> thinking glade interface with a perl backend
[03:47] <Mannequin> install this packages on a v.4 upgrades my Ubuntu to v.5?
[03:47] <ZellSF> ... anyone here?
[03:47] <LinuxJones> Well night all "Scarface" is on and I need my Pacino fix for the week.
[03:47] <cybane> plenty of people here
[03:47] <dud> christopher_, Microsft would port it right? :o
[03:47] <christopher_> ??? what?
[03:47] <cybane> XMMS is prolly the cloest thing
[03:47] <dud> or xine :)
[03:48] <ZellSF> hmm... wtf. is less than 1 second power failures normal?
[03:48] <kleedrac> Stupid question ... got a new cellphone (Motorola V220) and the software to put mp3 ringtones on it is Windows only and doesn't work through wine ... any linux based alternatives?
[03:49] <Ainvar> if I upgraded from warty to hoary is there a way I can change my filesystem to reiser?
[03:49] <Ainvar> without loosing data
[03:49] <JDahl> kleedrac, you could try wine
[03:49] <ZellSF> ...
[03:49] <kleedrac> JDahl: tried wine & cedega neither worked
[03:49] <Agrajag> JDahl: hey good job reading the question man
[03:50] <JDahl> Agrajag, got me :S
[03:51] <Mannequin> can I get a private conversation with a friendly expert? :) (i'm totally lost in this lnx world of command lines... DOS used to be easier than linux, jijij)
[03:51] <Mannequin> o quizs alguien que hable espaol pueda ayudarme ms facilmente...
[03:51] <Agrajag> Mannequin: there's #ubuntu-es
[03:51] <dud> I've got some time to spare, you could privmsg me if you'd like...
[03:51] <dud> altho my spanish is non-existance ;/
[03:51] <Mannequin> thanks Agrajag!
[03:52] <Mannequin> gracias!
[03:52] <Agrajag> de nada
[04:02] <carlos> hey.. i just installed ubuntu for amd64 and it didnt recognize my windows partition, unlike the 32bit version, is there any way i can manually add windows to grub?
[04:02] <carlos> please
[04:02] <stuNNed> yep you sure can
[04:02] <carlos> how?
[04:02] <stuNNed> something like:
[04:03] <stuNNed> title=Windows XP
[04:03] <stuNNed> rootnoverify (hd0,5)
[04:03] <stuNNed> makeactive
[04:03] <stuNNed> chainloader +1
[04:03] <stuNNed> sry for flood
[04:03] <carlos> thanks, ill try
[04:03] <stuNNed> hdx,x needs to point to your windows part though
[04:03] <carlos> ok
[04:04] <stuNNed> 0=1,etc
[04:04] <carlos> what is the 5 for?
[04:04] <stuNNed> means
[04:04] <carlos> my windows part is sda1
[04:04] <stuNNed> 1st hd, 6th partition afaik
[04:05] <stuNNed> then it would be afaik:
[04:05] <carlos> ok, thanks
[04:05] <stuNNed> (hd0,0)
[04:05] <stuNNed> i think, don't quote me on that
[04:05] <stuNNed> try it :)
[04:05] <tga> howdy
[04:05] <carlos> i will
[04:05] <ljlane> looks right if sda is the first drive
[04:05] <stuNNed> ljlane: k
[04:05] <tga> I can't understand why dhclient won't grab an address.. is it some known issue by any chance?
[04:06] <stuNNed> tga: worksforme always unless there's a dhcp server prob
[04:07] <carlos> what do i put in initrd?
[04:07] <carlos> stunned?
[04:07] <tga> I'll look into my dhcpd then
[04:07] <stuNNed> carlos: what does initrd have to do with adding a windows part to grub? =)
[04:08] <carlos> i dont know.. i thought menu.lst was the file I had to edit
[04:08] <stuNNed> yes it is
[04:08] <stuNNed> initrd is only for linux if using it
[04:09] <carlos> ok, thanks
[04:09] <stuNNed> afaik ubuntu uses initrd, others don't, why i dunno, some say initrd slows down the boot process
[04:09] <stuNNed> maybe for probing hw? dunno
[04:14] <fabiola> Hello friend My name's fabiola and... I have one printer Canon i320 and the printer no support with cups
[04:14] <fabiola> only with turboprint, but print in all pages the logo of turboprint
[04:14] <stuNNed> fabiola: checked linuxprinting.org ?
[04:14] <fabiola> no
[04:14] <fabiola> stuNNed: wait
[04:15] <fabiola> no exist one i320
[04:15] <fabiola> :(
[04:15] <fabiola> I need help!!
[04:16] <fabiola> Canoni320 witout turboprint?
[04:16] <fabiola> Canoni320 without turboprint
[04:21] <dev3> How do I find out where my kde is installed?
[04:21] <cybane> Can anyone tell me how to check who owns the process of my Apapche2 Server?
[04:22] <Riddell> dev3: kde-config --prefix
[04:23] <gellpak> has anyone successfully installed ati drivers? is there a guide for that somewhere?
[04:23] <dev3> Thanks.
[04:23] <dev3> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:24] <gellpak> ^ was that for me?
[04:24] <delltony> question when upgrading from warty to hoary and it ask me configuration file /etc/bash.bashrc  would you like to install package maintainers version should i hit yes or no?
[04:25] <membreya> does anyone here use hotway?
[04:25] <Riddell> dev3: what are you compiling, it may have an old configure setup
[04:26] <delltony> anyone?
[04:26] <copilot> Hi, I want to install pureadmin for pureftpd. It requires gtk, gtk requires glib, atk, and pango.  trying to install atk results in this
[04:27] <copilot>  JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01
[04:27] <copilot> export JAVA_HOME
[04:27] <copilot> PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[04:27] <copilot> export PATH
[04:27] <jay_> i am trying to upgrade to hoary i am getting an error about xorg-driver-synaptics
[04:27] <jay_> please help
[04:27] <copilot> crap, sorry
[04:27] <copilot> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:27] <bretzel> Hi all :-)
[04:27] <jay_> apt-get -f install doesnt work either
[04:27] <jay_> can i bypass this?
[04:27] <delltony> well i'm wondering if i should keep my current configuration for bash.bashrc or if i should install the maintainers vesion
[04:28] <dev3> Is the synaptic package manager in KDE?
[04:28] <jay_> anyone?
[04:28] <teratorn> where can I get kernel-headers or kernel-source for the kernel that was installed by warty (2.6.8)?
[04:28] <MacPlusG3> delltony: look at the diff, and then decide
[04:29] <teratorn> the only source and headers packages I see are for versions up to 2.6.7
[04:29] <bretzel> dev3: why wouldn't you simply launch synaptic from KDE ???
[04:29] <Daylighter> hoorah OS X is installed
[04:30] <Riddell> dev3: apt-get install kynaptic
[04:30] <bretzel> Ridell: Kynaptic is ready in hoary
[04:30] <bretzel> ?????
[04:30] <Riddell> bretzel: as ready as it is anywhere
[04:31] <dev3> ah I found synaptic
[04:31] <dev3> I'm trying to install a new kde theme and I keep getting this error at configuration
[04:31] <dev3> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:31] <dev3> Anyone know what i'm missing?
[04:32] <bretzel> Riddell: But why they have made "kynaptic" ? gnome/gtk is every where. I use KDE for dev and now for kopete but I can't live without Gnome :-)
[04:33] <bretzel> Anyone know the furniture store "IKEA" ? ( (H) )
[04:34] <dev3> bretzel, yeah. it sux.
[04:35] <Riddell> bretzel: I added kynaptic because kubuntu won't use gnome
[04:35] <bretzel> oops: Because I am thinking to compare Linux env to the principles of that store: Mount it youself and wish you luck with the instructions ... - to some newbies I am about to install linux on their computers ... hahahaha
[04:36] <bretzel> Ridell: ah! kubuntu is out ? ( sorry I am not chasing news about kubuntu
[04:36] <Daylighter> to newbies that know what they are doing with computers, i say givem live CDs
[04:36] <Riddell> dev3: I think it's caused by the configure stuff being an old version which doesn't know about /usr/include/qt3  try adding --with-qt-headers= or whatever it's called
[04:36] <Riddell> bretzel: no, it's not out yet
[04:36] <dev3> oh
[04:36] <dev3> damn
[04:37] <copilot> Daylighter: you know what you're doing?
[04:37] <bretzel> Riddell: Ah! about configure errors: I've got the same thing with QT installation. it cannot finds the libs too
[04:37] <Daylighter> I know more about linux on the PC than the mac
[04:37] <Daylighter> lol
[04:37] <Daylighter> i've dual booted before
[04:37] <Daylighter> i would still, but i havent the HD space
[04:38] <copilot> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:38] <copilot> since you're not a noob, walk me through that
[04:38] <Daylighter> oh, i didnt say i wasnt a noob
[04:38] <Daylighter> but i am not advanced user either.
[04:38] <bretzel> copilot: This one I dunno.
[04:38] <Daylighter> D:
[04:38] <DAC1138> anyone read that new ubuntu hoary review on madpenguin.org?
[04:38] <Daylighter> *no, ne pas not
[04:39] <bretzel> DAC1138: what it sais about ubuntu hoary ?
[04:39] <DAC1138> bretzel lots. check it out
[04:39] <bretzel> DAC1138: That is what I am doing now :-)
[04:40] <MyNickHere> sup
[04:40] <lunitik> Hey... I heard evince got into hoary... does 'ubuntu-desktop' now depend this, or is Xpdf still around?
[04:41] <pussfeller> nautilus needs a special folder that has links to all the avi, ogm, mpg, mvk, mov and rm the computer
[04:42] <lunitik> pussfeller, or just put them in the same place... keep your system organized  ;)
[04:42] <lunitik> pussfeller, linking to all users media files wouldn't be too cool
[04:43] <pussfeller> heh, i have  naught to hide
[04:43] <mamadou> wassup
[04:43] <pussfeller> and most computers are single users anyways
[04:43] <mamadou> ineed some dudes
[04:43] <lunitik> pussfeller, not really.
[04:43] <lunitik> So... anyone using hoary?
[04:43] <mamadou> teratorn
[04:44] <mamadou> hey i need some help right here
[04:44] <mebaran151> could anyone suggest a good C++ IRC forum
[04:44] <mebaran151> I have a stupid problem that I can't seem to figure out
[04:44] <mamadou> nope
[04:44] <teratorn> mamadou: yes?
[04:44] <lunitik> mamadou, may want to try asking the question then?
[04:44] <lunitik> mebaran151, #c++
[04:45] <mamadou> teratorn can you tell me how to set up my network
[04:45] <teratorn> mamadou: I usually charge for that type of service :)
[04:45] <mamadou> how much ?
[04:46] <IRCsloth> hey guys, how do use/start swat in hoary? Do I need xinetd installed?
[04:46] <teratorn> mamadou: well depends on what you want me to do
[04:46] <teratorn> mamadou: are you serious?
[04:46] <teratorn> mamadou: or do you just have some simple question?
[04:46] <mamadou> to type right answers to my questions
[04:46] <IRCsloth> I remember in redhat you had to configure xinetd to use hoary
[04:46] <lunitik> IRCsloth, you need to install swat first... then start it...
[04:47] <IRCsloth> hoard=samba
[04:47] <lunitik> mamadou, what do you need? you have yet to even ask.
[04:47] <IRCsloth> I looked under /etc/init.d but I don't see a swat script. I have the swat package installed
[04:47] <mebaran151> lunitik
[04:47] <mebaran151> thanks
[04:48] <lunitik> IRCsloth, ahh... look through /usr/share/doc/<pkg>
[04:48] <gellpak> just installed ubuntu as my first linux install ever, never touched it before... why can't I edit text files?
[04:48] <IRCsloth> thanks
[04:48] <gellpak> theyre readonly but i would expect the gui to allow me to do such things
[04:48] <lunitik> gellpak, you need correct permissions
[04:49] <gellpak> how do i go about setting that up?
[04:49] <pussfeller> how would u use bash to remove the directory path from a filename leaving only the last, actual name of the file
[04:49] <pussfeller> cut?
[04:49] <lunitik> gellpak, applications > system tools > terminal and type 'sudo gedit the_file_you_want_to_open'
[04:51] <gellpak> cool. is there no way of applying these permissions to my user account as a whole?
[04:51] <lunitik> gellpak, you can add yourself to the root group I guess  :/
[04:51] <lunitik> gellpak, not really smart though  :/
[04:52] <lunitik> 'sudo adduser blah root'
[04:52] <gellpak> why is that, as a desktop user?
[04:52] <dev3> How would I open up an SSH connection with a remote server?
[04:52] <dev3> Is therea built in SSH client?
[04:52] <kerframil> gellpak: which files are you referring to? /etc ones and such?
[04:52] <teratorn> gellpak: you can accidentally wipe out system files, etc
[04:52] <gellpak> yeah, right now
[04:52] <gellpak> ah
[04:53] <lunitik> dev3, start the ssh server... and type 'ssh its_ip'
[04:53] <Dr_willis> ssuming theres no firewall/or other security blocking hte ports
[04:54] <kerframil> gellpak: they're not editable by non-root users for a good reason. if you want to drop the security level a bit for the sake of convenience then you could "chown root:adm" the files you really need to edit regularly
[04:54] <Dr_willis> Hmm. anyone used Cedega - with Ubuntu yet?
[04:54] <kerframil> gellpak: and chmod 664 (or 660) them
[04:54] <Dr_willis> tempted to give it a try.
[04:54] <gellpak> hmm
[04:54] <gellpak> ok
[04:59] <godsmoke> hey -- any reason why gtk-theme-switch doesn't work?
[04:59] <helio7> ok I upgraded to Hoary today and ran into my most feared problem: XFree86/display problems... at first I had gnome, but at a tiny fraction of the size... in my panic to fix it I ran the config wizard and forgot to back up my original... now I have no X whatsover... i need a little help and I've spent hours on this type of problem before... can anyone lend a hand I would be most grateful
[05:01] <raydogg> Is loopback support enabled in ubuntu ?
[05:01] <godsmoke> raydogg: yeah ... don't you see a lo interface?
[05:01] <raydogg> no, not nic
[05:01] <raydogg> like /dev/loop0
[05:02] <raydogg> for loopback encryption
[05:02] <hybrid> heello all
[05:03] <jay__> anyone know how to fix this issue on hoary?
[05:03] <jay__> with xorg-drivers-synaptics
[05:03] <jay__> not installing
[05:03] <helio7> what other utilities are there besides dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for troubleshooting loss of X
[05:03] <helio7> ?
[05:04] <godsmoke> loss of x?
[05:04] <godsmoke> well -- you upgraded to xorg ...
[05:04] <godsmoke> so, things are gonna be scewed up
[05:04] <Dr_willis> hi
[05:04] <helio7> godsmoke: where would you start?
[05:04] <godsmoke> helio7: well, what exactly is your problem?
[05:05] <BiteMeBill> Dr_willis: hows that little 100 running?
[05:06] <hybrid> lol
[05:06] <jay__> anyone know how to fix this issue on hoary?
[05:06] <godsmoke> jay__: you haven't actually described a problem
[05:06] <godsmoke> what do you mean it's 'not installing'?
[05:07] <helio7> godsmoke: i'm stuck at the commandline with no X environment;;; I had it earlier when someone suggested I run dpkgreconfigure xserverxorg and now i lost the little postcard-sized gnome I had
[05:07] <godsmoke> helio7: well -- you have to tell me where x failed ...
[05:07] <jay__> says it cant install cause it is trying to overwrite synclient
[05:07] <godsmoke> I mean ... how do you expect to troubleshoot if you don't know what the problem is?
[05:07] <helio7> godsmoke: "Gtk-Warning **: cannot open display
[05:07] <godsmoke> jay__: you could force it -- I'm not aware of a specific problem
[05:07] <jay__> no
[05:07] <godsmoke> helio7: heh -- no -- that's some gtk application trying to start -- but x isn't running
[05:08] <jay__> ubuntu-desktop does not install cause of this
[05:08] <godsmoke> helio7: when you start x -- wht is the error
[05:08] <helio7> that's all it says godsmoke: checking /var/log/ now
[05:08] <godsmoke> that's not in the x-server log
[05:10] <geppy> I just bought a new wireless card that my friend has said worked "seamlessly" with Ubuntu.  He's running Hoary, though.  Do I need to install kudzu, or something of that nature?
[05:10] <godsmoke> geppy: are you having problems with the card?
[05:10] <geppy> godsmoke:  It hasn't been detected.
[05:11] <helio7> well if I type "X" the screen comes up brownish grey or whatever godsmoke, but if i type "gnome-session" it says only one error that I shared with you already... where else should I look?
[05:11] <godsmoke> well ... what kind of card is it?
[05:11] <jay_> how do i fix this
[05:11] <jay_> aaah
[05:11] <geppy> godsmoke:  brb, finding the box
[05:11] <jay_> so close yet so far
[05:11] <godsmoke> helio7: oh boy ... dude, it sounds like hoary really isn't for you
[05:12] <jay_> one package is screwing me up
[05:12] <jay_> xorg-driver-synaptics
[05:12] <jay_> :*(
[05:12] <godsmoke> jay_: dude, it's unstable -- this kind of stuff happens
[05:12] <geppy> Crap, left the box at the LAN...  Here's what the receipt calls it:  Airlink AWLH302.  It's a 54Mbps Wireless-G PCI card.
[05:12] <godsmoke> if you can't resolve issues like broken packages -- hoary isn't for you
[05:12] <godsmoke> geppy: hmm ... I don't know that one
[05:12] <godsmoke> geppy: brb -- lemmie look up the chipset
[05:12] <geppy> godsmoke:  Thanks!
[05:12] <Chipzz> geppy: lspci helps...
[05:13] <geppy> Chipzz:  Danke!
[05:13] <Chipzz> geppy: for finding out the chipset, that is
[05:13] <geppy> Chipzz:  Right.
[05:13] <godsmoke> geppy: how did you declare that it didn't 'detect' it?
[05:13] <geppy> I couldn't find anything in the dmesg output.
[05:13] <helio7> godsmoke: so you're saying that you don't know how to help me or what?  because I don't expect anything but you asked me questions about my problem, offering assitance and such and now you're just basically calling me a newbie... I'm grateful for any help I can get but...
[05:14] <godsmoke> helio7: well ... you shouldn't be starting X like that -- you should be starting it via gdm, or another display manager
[05:14] <geppy> Is there a kudzu-like app that I can use?  Or should I just install kudzu?
[05:14] <Chipzz> or use startx
[05:14] <godsmoke> geppy: no ... kudzu is not appropriate
[05:14] <Chipzz> geppy: discover
[05:14] <geppy> k
[05:14] <geppy> 0000:01:08.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface
[05:14] <Dr_willis> yea. edit (make) the .xinitrc and use startx is a good way to twiddle with X and learn things. :P
[05:15] <helio7> ok startx didn't work in Warty for some readon but now it did... thanks Chipzz you solved my problem lol
[05:15] <Chipzz> geppy: you can also do kspci -v, it produces more output
[05:15] <godsmoke> Chipzz: I've never seen a chipset identified through lspci
[05:15] <geppy> Chipzz:  Alright.  I just ran discover, but I didn't see whatever it was that it did;  what should I do, now?
[05:15] <Chipzz> but probably not much usefull information
[05:16] <geppy> It's calling it an unknown device.  I think that I'll just let it lie, at least for now.
[05:16] <Chipzz> godsmoke: it can give you a clue as to what chipset it is
[05:17] <godsmoke> Bandit: well, the warty --> hoary migration is not clean
[05:17] <geppy> I don't have wireless access, except for at LANs, and I don't use wireless then, anyway.  It worked for my friend running Hoary, and by the time I have a wireless network, I'll be running Hoary. =)
[05:17] <godsmoke> in fact, it's quite messy -- I've only had 1/10 of my computers go through that with no xorg issues
[05:17] <godsmoke> geppy: I'm lookup up your card
[05:17] <Bandit> godsmoke works well and is clean for many
[05:17] <godsmoke> Bandit: well, I speak from what I've observed, and it hasn't been
[05:18] <Bandit> godsmoke and so do I 6 out of 6 no issues
[05:18] <godsmoke> fine -- I'm not debating your experience
[05:18] <godsmoke> for some reason you're debating mine
[05:18] <godsmoke> it's not relevant
[05:19] <Bandit> the experience card was played by who??
[05:19] <geppy> Bandit:  No one.
[05:19] <godsmoke> geppy: from a quick google search -- it appears your card is a candidate for ndiswrapper
[05:19] <godsmoke> it doesn't look like there is a linux driver for it
[05:19] <Bandit> godsmoke> in fact, it's quite messy -- I've only had 1/10 of my computers go through that with no xorg issues
[05:19] <geppy> Bandit:  By 'experience', he's referring to _experiences_.  The fact that it didn't work for him, and it worked for you.
[05:19] <godsmoke> yes, you were questioning my statement -- and I explained why I said that
[05:20] <geppy> godsmoke:  Alright, thanks.  My friend must be on crack.  =)
[05:20] <geppy> 'night, all!
[05:20] <Bandit> geppy see ya
[05:20] <godsmoke> geppy: is this an 'internal' ccard?
[05:20] <Chipzz> godsmoke: also, you can look up the pci id online
[05:20] <godsmoke> as in -- minipci?
[05:20] <geppy> godsmoke:  minipci?
[05:20] <godsmoke> yeah
[05:20] <godsmoke> is this a centrino laptop?
[05:20] <Beautifularia> When I boot grub automatically chooses Windows, how do I change the boot order?
[05:20] <geppy> godsmoke:  I'm not familiar with minipci.  It's a PCI card.
[05:21] <geppy> godsmoke:  Oh, no.
[05:21] <godsmoke> oh, ok
[05:21] <godsmoke> Beautifularia: in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:21] <geppy> godsmoke:  It's a good 'ol Athlon/nForce/GeForce tower. =D
[05:21] <alien_in_rm_309> does anybody know if there is a program that i can install through synapse that I can run that will alert me when i get new emails through hotmail and yahoo
[05:21] <Beautifularia> godsmoke, ok, what do I do there?
[05:23] <Beautifularia> I can't find any documentation on modifying menu.lst
[05:23] <Beautifularia> I'd be happy with just that even
[05:24] <bur[n] er> Beautifularia: just use the gui config tool?
[05:24] <bur[n] er> or google for /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:24] <Beautifularia> ooh, what's this now?
[05:25] <Beautifularia> grubconf?
[05:25] <godsmoke> Beautifularia: I believe you have to put a static entry into grup outside the "automatically generated" section
[05:25] <bur[n] er> the "boot" gnome system tool
[05:25] <alien_in_rm_309> does anyone know if there is a program that i can install through synapse that will update me when i have email in my yahoo and hotmail accounts
[05:26] <bur[n] er> oh damn... to do what you wanna do is easy though...
[05:26] <Beautifularia> bur[n] er, I'm installing grubconf now, that seems to be what you're talking about, no?
[05:26] <bur[n] er> no
[05:26] <bur[n] er> not at all
[05:26] <bur[n] er> default         1
[05:26] <bur[n] er> just put that somewhere...
[05:26] <IceBooger> Does anyone have a link for getting sound working with skype?
[05:27] <bur[n] er> where the # starts from 0
[05:28] <Beautifularia> bur[n] er, OH! I see where you're talking about, thanks =)
[05:28] <Beautifularia> I wasn't reading the comments in menu.list carefully enough :/
[05:28] <godsmoke> can an ubuntu dev tell me why gtk-theme-switch doesn't work ...?
[05:29] <bur[n] er> yw :)
[05:29] <helio7> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/download.php
[05:29] <bur[n] er> godsmoke: this may be a silly question, but why not use the gnome theme tool?
[05:29] <cg0def_> do you always have to use the config tools to edit xorg.conf?
[05:29] <helio7> whoops wrong window
[05:29] <bur[n] er> cg0def_: no
[05:29] <godsmoke> bur[n] er: it is a silly question -- because gtk-theme-switch is for using gtk2 themes in gtk+
[05:29] <IRCsloth> hey guys, anyone have a good gnome or console password manager? I searched the apt repositories and found zsafe (ported from zaurus). Anyone have any specific recomendations?
[05:30] <bur[n] er> i know what gtk-theme-switch is
[05:30] <bur[n] er> you don't need it...
[05:30] <godsmoke> ok
[05:30] <godsmoke> alright ...
[05:30] <bur[n] er> u can use the gnome tool
[05:30] <godsmoke> mind explaining how to apply gtk2 themes to gtk+ then?
[05:30] <bur[n] er> gtk2 to gtk1 ?
[05:30] <teratorn> IRCsloth: yeah I do
[05:30] <godsmoke> bur[n] er: that's what I said twice
[05:30] <bur[n] er> you said gtk+ :P
[05:30] <bur[n] er> and you can't
[05:30] <cg0def_> bur[n] er: so you can just edti xorg.conf as a regular text file and it'll still work?
[05:30] <godsmoke> yes you can
[05:30] <IRCsloth> I heard kwallet was decent but I'm running gnome
[05:31] <bur[n] er> their two seperate entities
[05:31] <bur[n] er> no you can't
[05:31] <godsmoke> dude
[05:31] <godsmoke> trust me
[05:31] <godsmoke> I'm using the tool in debian
[05:31] <godsmoke> it works perfectly
[05:31] <bur[n] er> u can't
[05:31] <godsmoke> I'm running gtk+ in industrial
[05:31] <godsmoke> yes you can
[05:31] <bur[n] er> i use gtk-theme-switch
[05:31] <cg0def_> bur[n] er: ok so how do you edit the file without using the debian config tools then?
[05:31] <bur[n] er> u run "switch" for gtk1 and "switch2" for gtk 2
[05:31] <godsmoke> I'm aware of its features
[05:31] <godsmoke> I use them
[05:31] <godsmoke> on debian
[05:31] <BiteMeBill> godsmoke: you getting a short fuse or something?
[05:31] <IRCsloth> teratorn: what are your recomendations?
[05:32] <bur[n] er> cg0def_: <favorite text editor> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:32] <godsmoke> switch doesn't work in ubuntu
[05:32] <godsmoke> switch2 does though
[05:32] <alien_in_rm_309> ok when i install programs with synapse, how to i find the program file that i use to run them, and how to i make shortcuts to the desktop with them
[05:32] <cg0def_> bur[n] er: I thought you said I can't do that
[05:32] <teratorn> IRCsloth: hang on a sec
[05:32] <IRCsloth> ok
[05:32] <bur[n] er> cg0def_: wasn't talking to you when i said you can't
[05:32] <cg0def_> bur[n] er: I also thought that that breaks things on debian
[05:32] <godsmoke> BiteMeBill: just trying to ask the question
[05:33] <bur[n] er> it does?
[05:33] <bur[n] er> works for me
[05:33] <bur[n] er> it's the only way to get 1680x1050 resolution on my laptop
[05:33] <IRCsloth> I read something about one called PMS in linux journal a few months ago... thinking about trying that
[05:33] <helio7> alien: if you search for the files you dl'ed with "synaptic" you can click properties and find exactly where they are installed
[05:33] <alien_in_rm_309> i try that, but i dont know which file is the actual program file
[05:33] <calamari> hi
[05:33] <BiteMeBill> godsmoke: ok just seemed that you might be getting short fused.
[05:34] <helio7> alien_in_rm_309: usually the one in /usr/bin/ or usr/share/
[05:34] <godsmoke> BiteMeBill: yeah, frustrated to have to explain the function of an application that doesn't work in ubuntu
[05:34] <alien_in_rm_309> ok
[05:34] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: what app?
[05:34] <bur[n] er> godsmoke: how does gtk-theme-switch *not* work?
[05:35] <BiteMeBill> godsmoke: could be worse.  There are plenty of them in windoz
[05:35] <BiteMeBill> LOL
[05:35] <calamari> having some printing problems in The Gimp.. it's spitting out %!PS-Adobe-3.0 (etc) garbage.  I noticed that firefox uses lpr rather than lp and it prints correctly.  Tried changing the gimp settings but they didn't seem to stick.
[05:35] <bur[n] er> it only shows a few themes?
[05:35] <helio7> alien_in_rm_309: you can type file in the terminal window as in "file /usr/bin/fluxbox" and it will tell you if it's an executable or what...
[05:35] <helio7> alien_in_rm_309: and as far as adding a shortcut to the desktop, just rightclick the desktop and choose "create launcher"
[05:35] <godsmoke> bur[n] er: gtk-theme-switche's "switch" is supposed to be able to (and does in debian and other distributions) use gtk2 themes in gtk+ -- the "switch2" application does its function -- but the "switch" application does not
[05:36] <TOP1yuiop> hi, im new to this and i just put ubuntu on an older pc which i can not find a compatible mouse to, is there anyway to navigate ubuntu with only a keyboard?
[05:36] <bur[n] er> switch does NOT use gtk2 themes :P
[05:36] <Underlord> ive been thinking, would it be possible to have a custom partition at the end of a cd (or neer it) that contained settings, so a live cd would be able to be customized on the fly just by directly modifing the iso image?
[05:36] <bur[n] er> i swear to you ;)
[05:36] <godsmoke> bur[n] er: I just took a screenshot
[05:36] <godsmoke> hold on
[05:36] <bur[n] er> apt-get install gtk-engines*
[05:36] <bur[n] er> i dont' need to
[05:36] <bur[n] er> i bet you don't have gtk1 themes installed
[05:37] <bur[n] er> just install them and switch will work
[05:37] <godsmoke> dude
[05:37] <Bandit> :)
[05:37] <alien_in_rm_309> python
[05:38] <Underlord> i remember back in the days of microsorks MS-DOS some applications would have null padded strings in them and modify their own code to store settings, gave me the idea
[05:38] <Underlord> er... i mean microdorks
[05:39] <TOP1yuiop> :(
[05:39] <alien_in_rm_309> i am looking for a program to keep me updated on my email accounts like when i get new emails and such and from reading bout python it sounded like something that might work so i installed it, but i can't seem to find a file that i have to use to run it
[05:39] <helio7> godsmoke: thanks for helping me before dude; hoary might not be for a newb like me but it's only a couple months before it's "stable" and if things go awry I can always revert... it's working now so I'm happy...
[05:40] <darkxst> hey can anyone tell me how i allow X to accept connections from another console or remote computer. ie when running a program using the -display command
[05:40] <alien_in_rm_309> ok did i just install the library only? if so what front end do i need to install to use it
[05:41] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: python is a programming languate
[05:41] <daniels> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l
[05:41] <bur[n] er> s/languate/language
[05:41] <alien_in_rm_309> sorry
[05:42] <bur[n] er> no worries
[05:42] <alien_in_rm_309> python 2.1-email
[05:42] <bur[n] er> in apt?
[05:42] <alien_in_rm_309> i installed that
[05:42] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309:  there are a couple gdesklets that will do what you want.  Plus I think there there is one that you can add to your panel.
[05:43] <alien_in_rm_309> BiteMeBill:where would i find those
[05:43] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: you definately don't need that app
[05:43] <bur[n] er> (referring to python2.1)
[05:43] <alien_in_rm_309> k
[05:44] <alien_in_rm_309> i am really new with linux so i dont know what is what
[05:44] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: there have a website that will go into great detail about the gdesklets.  Of the panel just right click and add to panel
[05:44] <alien_in_rm_309> do u know what the website is?
[05:45] <BiteMeBill> Google does
[05:45] <TOP1yuiop> hey, i got a question, will java2 work with ubuntu or is there a linux version?
[05:46] <darkxst> hey can anyone tell me how i allow X to accept connections from another console or remote computer. ie when running a program using the -display command
[05:46] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: type "gdesklets" into the firefox browser :P
[05:46] <jay_> hmmm hoary actually working for me now
[05:46] <jay_> still cant get past the synaptic error
[05:46] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: or just use synaptic to get 'gdesklets' and 'gdesklets-error' and play
[05:46] <jay_> and now no sound
[05:46] <alien_in_rm_309> BiteMeBill i installed the architecture for gdesklets, but how to i start itonce it is installed
[05:47] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: always try opening a term... and typing "gdesk<tab>" to see if something happens ;)
[05:47] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: or alt+f2 and type that
[05:47] <bretzel> gnite all
[05:47] <BiteMeBill> night bretzel
[05:48] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i did that and nothign happened
[05:48] <bur[n] er> u sure you installed gdesklets?
[05:48] <alien_in_rm_309> yes
[05:48] <bur[n] er> then it will do something
[05:48] <bur[n] er> :P
[05:48] <FAST> anyone have problems with flash not playing audio?
[05:49] <alien_in_rm_309> ok
[05:49] <alien_in_rm_309> will try again
[05:49] <bur[n] er> <tab><tab> doesn't hurt
[05:49] <FAST> nm
[05:49] <huDeHell> hi
[05:49] <jay_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:49] <jay_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-synaptics_0.13.6-0ubuntu4_powerpc.deb
[05:49] <jay_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:49] <crimsun> TOP1yuiop: java2 works fine with Ubuntu
[05:49] <jay_> thats my error :(
[05:49] <alien_in_rm_309> when i type it in that run dialog it finds the program but nothing happens when i hit run
[05:49] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: do you have a bunch in /usr/share/gdesklets/ ?
[05:50] <BiteMeBill> It can't run till you tell it what to run.
[05:50] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: look in the system tray :P
[05:50] <alien_in_rm_309> yes i ahve that folder bikemebill
[05:51] <BiteMeBill> Do you have a bunch of diffferent desklets in there?
[05:51] <bur[n] er> if not... "apt-get install gdesklets-data"
[05:51] <alien_in_rm_309> yeah
[05:51] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: look in the Displays floder
[05:51] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: when you run it, it goes to your system tray
[05:51] <bur[n] er> then you can manage gdesklets from there
[05:52] <alien_in_rm_309> nothing in my sys tray
[05:52] <huDeHell> is there a i686 resp for ubuntu? or i586??
[05:52] <bur[n] er> run "gdesklets" from a term, u get an error? or does it run?
[05:52] <alien_in_rm_309> it does nothign
[05:52] <alien_in_rm_309> i hit run and nothign happens
[05:53] <bur[n] er> that's why i said type it at a term
[05:53] <bur[n] er> :P
[05:53] <alien_in_rm_309> term?
[05:53] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309:  go to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/xmmscorner/ and then right click the file cornerxmms-bottomright.display file and choose to run it with gdesklets then move your mouse to your desktop and see what happens.
[05:54] <BiteMeBill> BRB
[05:54] <skel_home> is there an ubuntu ppc channel?
[05:55] <jay_> skel: i wish there was
[05:56] <helio7> anyone ever have their display get really weird with mplayer?  like a bunch of horizontal stripes that break everything up into overlapping fields, including the menus?
[05:56] <alien_in_rm_309> burner, i am following what bitemebill said and i am not seeing a run command for that file
[05:57] <TOP1yuiop> is there a shortcut to exit a program?
[05:58] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: if it's not in the menu you may have to choise Open with and then find the gdesklet program.
[05:58] <huDeHell> TOP1yuiop, kde had ctrl + f4
[05:58] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: alt+f4?
[05:58] <TOP1yuiop> it doesnt seem to work?
[05:58] <TOP1yuiop> oh
[05:58] <bur[n] er> is your alt key mapped correctly?
[05:58] <jay_> my ppc system is half-hoary and half-warty
[05:58] <jay_> :*(
[05:58] <bur[n] er> it does work? ;)
[05:58] <TOP1yuiop> alt+f4 worked
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> thnx
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> i didnt know it was the same as windows
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> i dont have a mouse :(
[05:59] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: check the keyboard shortcuts :P
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> ?
[05:59] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: have you figured it out yet?
[05:59] <TOP1yuiop> how/where?
[05:59] <bur[n] er> run gnome-keybinding-properties
[06:00] <TOP1yuiop> ?? *looks around dazed*.........im new to linux
[06:00] <monoxide> hi everyone, im having trouble running xmms on hoary
[06:00] <alien_in_rm_309> it says could not load sensor 'CornerXMMS'
[06:01] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: go through the menus ;)  play around
[06:01] <carl> I have sound with aplay, speaker-test and xmms, but not flash-mozilla firefox plugin - whre do I tell flash to use alsa?
[06:01] <TOP1yuiop> :( :( :( how do i open a menu without a mouse? :( :(
[06:01] <bur[n] er> alt+f1
[06:01] <TOP1yuiop> ok
[06:01] <bur[n] er> guess that one helps ;)
[06:01] <crimsun> carl: you can create an .asoundrc and overload pcm.dsp0
[06:02] <TOP1yuiop> hey this is pretty cool
[06:02] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: Ok so that sensor isn't loaded.  In the forums if you go and do a search on installing the sensors it will tell you how to get them installed.  Once they are then you will be able to run all your gdesklets like you just tried with the xmms one.
[06:03] <duncanm> hola
[06:03] <duncanm> what's the easiest way to setup VNC on a machine running hoary
[06:03] <monoxide> im in the middle of downloading the latest updates
[06:03] <monoxide> does anyone have any ideas what may be wrong?
[06:04] <carl> crimsun, so what is described at the botem of http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ESS+Technology&card=.&chip=ES18xx&module=es18xx ?
[06:04] <jay_> can i force a package install with dpkg???
[06:04] <techn9ne> jay_: yes
[06:04] <techn9ne> not usually a great idea though you can break stuff
[06:05] <bur[n] er> jay_: man dpkg
[06:05] <mouche> Hi, can anyone help with a keyboard issue -- in warty gnome, I can no longer type a capital v
[06:05] <jay_> techn9ne: how
[06:05] <mouche> that key is normal in other window managers
[06:05] <bur[n] er> mouche: maybe it's bound as a hotkey?
[06:05] <carl> how do I paste into xterm?
[06:05] <mouche> caps lock works for V, but not shift
[06:05] <techn9ne> jay_: i did that and broke my package database, had to manually remove all files and edit the dpkg files manually
[06:06] <bur[n] er> carl: middle click
[06:06] <mouche> Nope, bur[n] er, it's not
[06:06] <carl> bur[n] er,  thanks
[06:06] <BiteMeBill> mouche: you tried both shift keys and neither work?
[06:06] <GammaRay> carl: shift insert, also
[06:06] <calamari> carl: or Edit, Paste.. or right-click, Paste
[06:06] <GammaRay> calamari: this is xterm
[06:06] <bur[n] er> calamari: not in xterm :P
[06:07] <calamari> oh! sorry :)
[06:07] <jay_> no i mean what is the force command
[06:07] <calamari> gnome-terminal rules then :)
[06:07] <GammaRay> nah
[06:07] <jay_> dpkg -i --force-all
[06:07] <mouche> wait, bur[n] er, you're right!  thanks
[06:07] <bur[n] er> jay_: sure
[06:07] <bur[n] er> mouche: sure :)
[06:07] <GammaRay> it's slow and I can't override keys in gnome-terminal
[06:07] <techn9ne> jay_: man dpkg
[06:08] <jay_> ok i got it
[06:08] <TOP1yuiop> how do i add a hard drive?
[06:08] <techn9ne> does each ubuntu release resync w/ the debian unstable tree?
[06:08] <TOP1yuiop> its physically installed, but it is not recognized
[06:08] <techn9ne> or is it a completely seperate fork?
[06:08] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: it partitioned?
[06:08] <carl> so now that I have .assoundrc, what do I restart to get it to take effect?
[06:09] <TOP1yuiop> im not sure, its really old
[06:09] <mouche> weird thing is, none of the keybindings I WANT to work do anything, the one I set accidentally does.
[06:09] <crimsun> carl: the alsa application
[06:09] <TOP1yuiop> how can i find out?
[06:09] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: using warty or hoary?
[06:09] <crimsun> carl: e.g. whichever application is accessing the sound libraries
[06:09] <carl> crimsun, got it
[06:10] <TOP1yuiop> warty
[06:10] <TOP1yuiop> is hoary better?
[06:10] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: get qtparted?
[06:10] <bur[n] er> not for beginners ;)
[06:10] <TOP1yuiop> oh
[06:10] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: it'll be stable in april
[06:10] <GammaRay> nah, get gparted
[06:10] <TOP1yuiop> ok
[06:11] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: then you gotta get the .deb ;)
[06:11] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: gparted.sf.net :)
[06:11] <jay_> anyone know what file controls the icons in gnome
[06:11] <jay_> most of my icons are blank
[06:11] <jay_> no pictures
[06:11] <bur[n] er> jay_: use the 'theme' to change it
[06:12] <jay_> i would like to fix the default first
[06:12] <TOP1yuiop> where do i use that, is it a website?
[06:12] <bur[n] er> jay_: sure you're using the default gnome theme though?
[06:12] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: yes
[06:12] <bur[n] er> download the .deb of gparted
[06:12] <jay_> the default ubuntu theme yes on hoary
[06:12] <bur[n] er> crazy
[06:12] <TOP1yuiop> well i havent set this machine on the internet yet, so im gonna have to transfer it by cd...
[06:13] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: u have qtparted on it?
[06:13] <bur[n] er> or cfdisk?
[06:13] <bur[n] er> cfdisk is a term-based app
[06:13] <TOP1yuiop> no
[06:14] <bur[n] er> hrm... fdisk?
[06:14] <GammaRay> cfdisk should be on by default...
[06:14] <TOP1yuiop> no i just set ubuntu up today
[06:14] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i got a desklet to open now, does anyone know how i can get it to import my hotmail and yahoo mail
[06:15] <GammaRay> well I certainly didn't install it
[06:15] <bur[n] er> alien_in_rm_309: good luck on that
[06:16] <alien_in_rm_309> does anyone know what kind of accounts they are
[06:16] <alien_in_rm_309> like pop 3 or imap
[06:16] <bur[n] er> neither
[06:16] <bur[n] er> it's http web-based
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> do u know if there is a desklet that will handle that
[06:17] <jay_> icons on my desktop will not work
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> LOL
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> that helps
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> oh well
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> atleast i got desklets to work
[06:17] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: Unless you are useing the paid service from either of them I don't think they will let you.
[06:18] <bur[n] er> or get a good email address ;)
[06:18] <jay_> ugh nautilus looks broken
[06:18] <mouche> looks like I missed the gdesklets discussion; too bad, because I have no clue how to get them to work
[06:18] <BiteMeBill> gmail will let you i believe
[06:18] <bur[n] er> it will
[06:18] <bur[n] er> gmail is awesome... there's even a gmail gdesklet
[06:19] <alien_in_rm_309> well how could something like trillian in windows work then?
[06:19] <BiteMeBill> mouche alien just finished it.  He should be able to help you with that
[06:19] <yohannes> does anyone know how to burn a *.bin & *.cue file? i only know how to burn an *.iso file
[06:19] <mouche> oh no-- I love gmail, I want gdesklets -- buy gdesklets doesn't want me
[06:19] <bur[n] er> yohannes: got graveman?
[06:19] <alien_in_rm_309> i found a readme for gdesklets taht helped me here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1851&highlight=gdesklets
[06:19] <yohannes> no
[06:19] <BiteMeBill> alien_in_rm_309: good question I wasn't aware that they did.  Maybe there is a solution out there.
[06:19] <SiRrUs> will graveman do isos?
[06:20] <yohannes> can i just use the commad line
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i will look
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> tell mouche to use that link that helped me work my problems out
[06:20] <ells> I am trying to untar this file QPlayer-1.2.tar.bz2.tar
[06:20] <ells>  but i cannot get the command correct. It says that it is not a tar archive. Can someone help me
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> or just search the forums
[06:20] <techn9ne> gdesklets are kinda a pain
[06:20] <bur[n] er> nm... graveman won't do it :\
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> that helps
[06:20] <techn9ne> i havnet been able to get them working
[06:20] <alien_in_rm_309> i never knew they were there
[06:20] <bur[n] er> yohannes: try k3b?
[06:20] <yohannes> can i use growisofs? although i suspect it is for burning dvd
[06:21] <yohannes> is it the only route?, k3b?
[06:21] <mouche> Thanks - frankly gdesklets should probably in the category of "wait till I have a clue in general" ;-)
[06:21] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er k3b is no longer cmpatible with hoary
[06:21] <TOP1yuiop> how do i check my hardware configurations/signings?
[06:21] <bur[n] er> ells: try 'tar xvfj blah.tar.bz2'
[06:21] <Tzi> Hi =)
[06:21] <techn9ne> mouche: if you're a newbie id wait on trying to get gdesklets working
[06:21] <BiteMeBill> mouche: they aren't that hard but it is a little confusing.
[06:21] <ells> bur thanks
[06:21] <yohannes> thanks anyway
[06:21] <Tzi> Does anyone know why removable drives are mounted and appear in Nautilus, but don't appear on the desktop?
[06:21] <GammaRay> bur[n] er,ells: the f should be before the file name
[06:22] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: ???
[06:22] <ells> okay
[06:22] <GammaRay> it may work otherwise but that's a fluke
[06:22] <GammaRay> f = heres my file
[06:22] <bur[n] er> ells: yw :)
[06:23] <ells> bur it worked
[06:23] <bur[n] er> i know ;)
[06:23] <mouche> thanks all, I'll let gdesklets wait
[06:23] <GammaRay> then what's w/ all the question marks?
[06:24] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: because i have no idea what you mean about the f before the filename when i typed 'tar xvfj blah.tar.bz2'.... in any event, it's irrelevant now ;)
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:24] <farruinn> Tzi: warty or hoary?
[06:25] <ells> someone just mentioned that k3b wont work with hoary
[06:25] <ells> what is one to use
[06:25] <bur[n] er> ells: graveman!!! :)
[06:25] <ells> bur, gravesman?
[06:25] <mouche> Here's something I can't understand re bookmarks export from firefox :  if exported as an html file, i get an error on trying to open it
[06:25] <ells> apt-get
[06:25] <bur[n] er> www.nongnu.org/graveman... it's also available via apt
[06:25] <Tzi> farruinn: Hoary
[06:25] <GammaRay> bur[n] er: the perpose of the f is to denote the file name.. it should go right before it. Depening on your tar it will either barf or silently fix it for you.
[06:25] <ells> bur, cool
[06:25] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er will gravman burn isos?
[06:26] <farruinn> Tzi: hmm, works fine in warty here.  Might be a nautilus setting
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> ells: get gnome-baker - its far better
[06:26] <Tzi> farruinn: Bugger =) Hmm...
[06:26] <TOP1yuiop> bur[n] er: i found i got 3 partitions on my master hdd and my slave hdd is not partitioned.
[06:26] <ells> da bon bon, cool
[06:26] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: right on, i never knew that :)
[06:26] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: yes
[06:26] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon will gnome baker burn isos?
[06:26] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: so partition the slave :P
[06:26] <TOP1yuiop> how?
[06:26] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er thankyou
[06:26] <bur[n] er> gnome-baker is better?  is it in apt?
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: yes
[06:27] <ells> da_bon_bon, where would I get that from
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er: yes
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> in apt
[06:27] <bur[n] er> i've never had good luck with gnome-baker :\  but i haven't tried recent version
[06:27] <techn9ne> i like eroaster
[06:27] <ells> da_bon_bon I did apr-get and it was not there
[06:27] <alien_in_rm_309> why can't i extract files to folders in the file system?
[06:27] <Tzi> farruinn: You too want invisible volume icons? =)
[06:27] <alien_in_rm_309> i am the only account on the computer
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> ells: apt-get install gnomebaker
[06:27] <bur[n] er> apt-cache search gnome baker <---returns nothing :P
[06:28] <ells> da_bon_bon thanks
[06:28] <bur[n] er> i can't apt-get install gnomebaker
[06:28] <techn9ne> if you dont like gnome baker try eroaster. its got a nice UI
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> no space
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> gnomebaker
[06:28] <bur[n] er> i did it with no space
[06:28] <ells> da_bon_bon tried and nothing
[06:28] <dud> I'll catch some sleep now... ;)
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> ells: apt-cache polict gnomebaker
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> *polcy
[06:29] <dud> policy even
[06:29] <ells> da_bon_bon will try
[06:29] <bur[n] er> W: Unable to locate package gnomebaker
[06:29] <monoxide222> so... can anyone help me with my xmms problems?
[06:29] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: what's problem?
[06:29] <ells> da_bon_bon still nothing
[06:29] <monoxide222> it wont startup at all on hoary
[06:29] <bur[n] er> ells: graveman works ;)
[06:30] <ells> bur, it wont let me get it
[06:30] <ells> deps
[06:30] <bur[n] er> using warty?
[06:30] <monoxide222> i got disconnected and monoxide still hasnt pinged out :/
[06:30] <alien_in_rm_309> how do i change folder permissions?
[06:30] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: what happens when you type 'xmms' at a gnome-terminal?
[06:30] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er yep its not in synaptic either
[06:30] <Tzi> Hmm, think I might reinstall properly, using Array 5...
[06:30] <ells> bur, hoary
[06:30] <monoxide222> matthew@matthew-linux:~/.xmms $ xmms
[06:30] <monoxide222> Segmentation fault
[06:30] <monoxide222> matthew@matthew-linux:~/.xmms $
[06:30] <bur[n] er> ells: it's in my hoary ;)  using univers?
[06:30] <Tzi> Think the dist-upgrading is taking its toll
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> ells: warty / hoary ?
[06:31] <crimsun> monoxide222: timeout is 14400 seconds for freenode. You need to ghost your old nick if you want it gone.
[06:31] <ells> da_bon_bon hoary
[06:31] <ells> bur, can you give me your source
[06:31] <bur[n] er> sure
[06:31] <bur[n] er> one sec
[06:31] <monoxide222> trouble is its not my nick.... i didnt register it
[06:31] <bur[n] er> ells: http://burner.ath.cx/sources.list.txt
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> ells: apt-get install cdda2wav gnomebaker
[06:32] <bur[n] er> da_bon_bon: there is no gnomebaker!!!
[06:32] <bur[n] er> trust me ;)
[06:32] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:32] <crimsun> monoxide222: nvidia graphics card?
[06:32] <monoxide222> yes
[06:32] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: just use beep-media-player ;)
[06:32] <bur[n] er> heh
[06:32] <bur[n] er> dirty solution, but segfaults are not my specialty
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er: well, i actually downloaded the deb from the web page,... i dont think its in the repos
[06:33] <monoxide222> yes, i have an nvidia graphics card
[06:33] <bur[n] er> da_bon_bon: then say that ;)
[06:33] <dud> xmms works on my nvidia...
[06:33] <bur[n] er> u said it was in apt :P  liar ;)
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er: sorry, but then apt shows its in the repos too
[06:33] <bur[n] er> no
[06:33] <bur[n] er> apt shows it is installed
[06:33] <bur[n] er> not that it's in repos ;)
[06:35] <farruinn> da_bon_bon: apt-cache show gaveman (or whatever it is) | grep Filename
[06:35] <monoxide222> crimsun, yes, i have an nvidia card
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> bur[n] er: ok,.. eroaster, is it good ?
[06:35] <TOP1yuiop> quick question, how do i add a user to my system?
[06:35] <crimsun> monoxide222: do you have any external plugins installed in ~/.xmms/Plugins/ ?
[06:35] <techn9ne> i dunno try for yourself... apt-get install eroaster ... you dont like it apt-get remove eroaster
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> TOP1yuiop: user manager
[06:35] <farruinn> TOP1yuiop: Computer>System>Users and Groups
[06:35] <bur[n] er> eroaster?  i dunno, i like graveman instead
[06:36] <ells> techn9ne, if you are in hoary, you cannot get any of those becasue of deps
[06:36] <monoxide222> crimsun, no
[06:36] <techn9ne> oh ok
[06:36] <techn9ne> hoary is too on the edge for me
[06:36] <techn9ne> i need the system to work everyday
[06:36] <GammaRay> bur[n] er: graveman isn't very polished.. can you even burn audio cds?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: sure
[06:37] <bur[n] er> GammaRay: see screenshots?
[06:37] <GammaRay> ofcourse
[06:37] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er whats the trick for burning isos with graveman
[06:37] <GammaRay> I mean you personally
[06:37] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: duplicate cd
[06:37] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: then the source is a .iso
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> can anyone tell me where cedega stores its configs ?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> to make an image, the target is .iso ;)
[06:38] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: #cedega
[06:38] <Tzi> Has anyone used array 5?  Is it reasonably stable and complete?
[06:38] <techn9ne> da_bon_bon: never heard of that program but probably $home/cedega
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thanks, didnt know that channel existed
[06:38] <bur[n] er> not terribly intuitive, but you can also do "file -> copy cd and iso image"
[06:38] <techn9ne> or $home/.cedega
[06:38] <Tzi> ...And coherent
[06:38] <SiRrUs> bur[n] er thanks
[06:38] <bur[n] er> SiRrUs: you're welcome
[06:38] <bur[n] er> :)
[06:38] <monoxide222> also, rythmbox will startup, but not play anything
[06:39] <techn9ne> monoxide222: are you trying to play mp3's ?
[06:39] <duncanm> hmm, one more question
[06:39] <techn9ne> you need gstreamer to do that
[06:39] <duncanm> in hoary, if i wanna get thumbnails of videos, do i need to do anything special?
[06:39] <bur[n] er> !restrictedformats
[06:39] <monoxide222> mp3/ogg's
[06:39] <techn9ne> monoxide222: use synaptic and search for "gsteamer"
[06:39] <bur[n] er> it should play oggs 'out of the box' so to speak
[06:39] <GammaRay> ...
[06:39] <techn9ne> or maybe you can just got sudo apt-get install gsteamer
[06:40] <monoxide222> im fairly sure i have gstreamer
[06:40] <Xenguy> bluefoxicy: sid
[06:40] <Xenguy> ww
[06:40] <lil_anthony> question trying to burn hoary in shell to a cd isn't the correct command cdrdao --device /dev/hdc hoary.iso ?
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> techn9ne: thanks
[06:40] <techn9ne> monoxide222: can you hear any sounds?
[06:40] <GammaRay> why would he *not* have gstreamer?
[06:40] <techn9ne> GammaRay: because it doesn't come by default
[06:40] <bur[n] er> he wouldn't have gstreamer0.8-mad be default
[06:40] <Slaven> Gah
[06:40] <GammaRay> ... ofcourse it does
[06:40] <Slaven> I'm having a problem
[06:40] <GammaRay> it's the "media framework" of ubuntu
[06:41] <techn9ne> you cant play mp3's out of box
[06:41] <GammaRay> I know
[06:41] <monoxide222> yes, gstreamer is installed
[06:41] <GammaRay> that's a gstreamer plugin
[06:41] <GammaRay> gstreamer-mad
[06:41] <techn9ne> monoxide222: can you hear any sounds?
[06:41] <ells> does anyone have a cd burning program that will actually work in hoary
[06:41] <techn9ne> like when you logged ?
[06:41] <ells> if not I will uninstall this crap
[06:41] <monoxide222> techn9ne, both gaim and ubuntu are playing sounds fine
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> ells: graveman, gnomebaker
[06:41] <Slaven> Since I added debian unstable repositories and upgraded, any changes to my /dev is undone after rebooting.
[06:42] <ells> okay, graveman has deps that it wont let me have
[06:42] <techn9ne> i dont know then
[06:42] <bur[n] er> what are the deps?
[06:42] <techn9ne> ive found rythmbox to be buggy though
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> Slaven: becoz thats udev working.
[06:42] <bur[n] er> you sure u can't get em?
[06:42] <ells> hold on
[06:42] <crimsun> Slaven: udev takes care of /dev/ . Why are you mucking with /dev/ ?
[06:42] <Slaven> I want a /dev/dvd symlink
[06:42] <monoxide222> yes, i dont like rythmbox either. but neither it or xmms work
[06:42] <Slaven> and a /dvd/cdrom, preferably.
[06:42] <Slaven> ehm
[06:42] <ells> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:42] <ells>   graveman: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not going to be installed
[06:42] <ells>             Depends: sox but it is not going to be installed
[06:42] <ells>   kdelibs4: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.3.0) but it is not going to be installed
[06:42] <ells> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solutio
[06:42] <Slaven> /dev/cdrom
[06:42] <Slaven> not /dvd/cdrom
[06:43] <ells> da_bon_bon see
[06:43] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: try beep-media-player ?  or the command line mpg123?
[06:43] <techn9ne> monoxide222: xmms sucks, try beep
[06:43] <bur[n] er> xmms does not suck :P
[06:43] <techn9ne> it does compared to beep
[06:43] <SiRrUs> xmms is working ok for me
[06:43] <bur[n] er> it plays .flac where beep doesn't
[06:44] <techn9ne> whats flac?
[06:44] <Agrajag> free lossless audio codec
[06:44] <bur[n] er> i like beep since it's all gtk2, but still... i wanna play .flac (.flac == free lossless audio codec)
[06:44] <monoxide222> its a sound format
[06:44] <Slaven> is there any way I could have my /dev/dvd back? :P
[06:44] <monoxide222> one that iv only ever seen as an option for my cd ripper
[06:44] <ells> da_bon_bon, where ya at
[06:44] <bur[n] er> Slaven: when you reboot, the symlink you made is gone?
[06:44] <teratorn> funny, beep is based on xmms
[06:45] <techn9ne> monoxide222: try beep : apt-get install beep-media-player
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> ells: meaning ?
[06:45] <Slaven> and out of curiosity, what makes beep a better player than xmms? (haven't looked into it)
[06:45] <ells> I showed you the deps
[06:45] <monoxide222> Slaven, ln /dev/dvd /dev/hd(whatever letter your dvd drive is
[06:45] <Slaven> bur[n] er: Nope.
[06:45] <techn9ne> Slaven: beep uses gtk2
[06:45] <monoxide222> i am downloading it now
[06:45] <ells> da_bon_bon, I showed you the deps
[06:45] <Slaven> monoxide222: but the changes are removed after rebooting.
[06:46] <Slaven> new mtab entries as well
[06:46] <crimsun> Slaven: ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
[06:46] <monoxide222> :/ mine isnt... i dont think
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> ells: where ? i didnt see 'em
[06:46] <monoxide222> ohh.. it is too...
[06:46] <ells> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solutio
[06:46] <monoxide222> you could try adding that command to /etc/bash.bashrc
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> ells: ok..
[06:46] <bur[n] er> ells: add universe?
[06:47] <helio7> techn9ne: if you want to learn about flac check http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> ells: add universe, multiverse
[06:47] <bur[n] er> ells: try the sources.list that i posted?
[06:47] <ells> what are the exact urls
[06:47] <Slaven> crimsun: udev.rules
[06:47] <membreya> hmmm i installed the new Gaim...rebooted my computer and it reverted back to the old gaim.
[06:47] <crimsun> Slaven: that's why you're missing /dev/{cdrom,dvd}
[06:47] <monoxide222> ok, another problem iv been having is booting this box.... it will only boot (exactly) every second time, and when it does boot, it wont mount my harddrives properly
[06:47] <Slaven> crimsun: what do I do?
[06:48] <ells> da_bon_bon, what are the urls
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> ells: use synaptic..
[06:48] <techn9ne> monoxide222: what does it say?
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> ells: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually
[06:48] <ells> da_bon_bon, okay, but I need to add the urls, right
[06:48] <crimsun> Slaven: cd /etc/udev/rules.d && sudo ln -s ../cd-aliases.rules .
[06:48] <ells> da_bon_bon, okay, what are the urls
[06:48] <bur[n] er> ells: http://burner.ath.cx/sources.list.txt
[06:48] <ells> the sources
[06:48] <crimsun> Slaven: then: cd / && sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> ells: please read in the sources.list file
[06:49] <ells> cool
[06:49] <monoxide222> techn9ne, something along the lines of it isnt a valid block device, so i login to single user and run "mount -a" and it mounts them fine
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: if pgrep udev shows a no. means that udev is runnin,rite ?
[06:49] <Slaven> crimsun: Most grateful.
[06:49] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: yes
[06:49] <techn9ne> monoxide222: have you tried a complete scan of the hd to test for physical errors?
[06:50] <monoxide222> with what program?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> da_bon_bon: try "ps ax |grep udev"  you might like that command ;)
[06:50] <monoxide222> its a new harddrive
[06:50] <monoxide222> i only got it say 2 weeks ago
[06:50] <techn9ne> that means nothing
[06:50] <bur[n] er> good call
[06:50] <techn9ne> ive bought a lot of bad h/w
[06:50] <monoxide222> yea, well i was hoping it would last a bit longer :/
[06:50] <lil_anthony> question: after upgrading from warty to hoary x will not start i'm curious do i need to install xserver-xorg ?
[06:50] <techn9ne> well its under warranty for a year
[06:50] <ells> da_bon_bon, I already have those sources
[06:51] <monoxide222> how would i check for physical errors?
[06:51] <techn9ne> i dont know the command
[06:51] <ElectricSheep> anyone know how I change my default session to XFce? it dont ask me anymore from the login page....
[06:51] <Slaven> yeah, harddrives are the typical disappointments.
[06:51] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: don't 'need' to, but it's worth a shot
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: apt-get remove xserver-xfree86
[06:51] <lil_anthony> ok let me try
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> ells: then, apt-get update ; apt-get install cdda2wav gnomebaker graveman eroaster
[06:51] <lil_anthony> apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 you say?
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> yes
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: yes
[06:51] <ells> cool, will try
[06:51] <lil_anthony> ok worth a shot thanks brb
[06:51] <bur[n] er> da_bon_bon: gnomebaker won't be there still :P
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: that will remove xfree and install xorg
[06:52] <bur[n] er> the remove is unnecessary
[06:52] <bur[n] er> just apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:52] <bur[n] er> it will uninstall xserver-xfree86
[06:52] <lil_anthony> ok
[06:52] <lil_anthony> install these packages without verification y/n?
[06:52] <lil_anthony> xserver-xorg x-window-system-core
[06:53] <bur[n] er> sure
[06:53] <lil_anthony> sure as in yes? just making sure i'm doing it write sorry for all the questions
[06:53] <bur[n] er> yes ;)
[06:53] <lil_anthony> thanks
[06:53] <monoxide222> beep player seems to be working :)
[06:53] <bur[n] er> and it's "right" :P
[06:53] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: :)
[06:53] <mouche> question re. xchat log files:  is there anyway to change the folder that log files are saved to?  Can't find anything in prefs or help
[06:53] <mouche> it's a pain to have them in a hidden folder
[06:54] <monoxide222> and it looks exactly like xmms, save the skin
[06:54] <lil_anthony> after it completes then restart pc?
[06:54] <monoxide222> there is no "open directory" though :(
[06:55] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: couldn't hurt ;)
[06:55] <lil_anthony> true considering the system is dead :)
[06:56] <g_> i am new to ubuntu i want to know how to play mp3
[06:57] <techn9ne> monoxide222: just go into playlist editor
[06:57] <techn9ne> monoxide222: it works like xmms 'cause its a fork of it
[06:57] <lil_anthony> bur[n] er: still gives me the bubbabox login: prompt should i simply type startx now?
[06:57] <mouche> g, I think I showed you the way with that!
[06:57] <g_> where is that located
[06:57] <mouche> is this g in jh by any chance?
[06:58] <techn9ne> g_: you need gsteamer
[06:58] <g_> mouche
[06:58] <monoxide222> techn9ne, yea, but i have all my music sorted into several folders under one folder. with xmms i could just say "play folder" on the root folder and it would play all my music
[06:58] <Agrajag> techn9ne: stop telling people that
[06:58] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: go for it ;)
[06:58] <g_> who are you
[06:58] <Agrajag> it's not gstreamer, gstreamer comes with ubuntu.
[06:58] <bur[n] er> or try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[06:58] <duncanm> anyone know how to debug why video thumbnailing isn't working?
[06:58] <Agrajag> gstreamer-mad is the necessary package.
[06:58] <lil_anthony> ok i did and gnome will not start
[06:59] <mouche> try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141/view?searchterm=mp3
[06:59] <lil_anthony> should i try to install ubuntu-desktop now?
[06:59] <techn9ne> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:59] <bur[n] er> ubuntu-desktop?
[06:59] <monoxide222> also, does beep play wma's?
[06:59] <bur[n] er> what's startx say?
[06:59] <lil_anthony> well i could type it to you in pm if that would help
[06:59] <lil_anthony> or ehere but its long
[06:59] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: test it ;)
[06:59] <duncanm> hrm
[06:59] <duncanm> (totem-video-thumbnailer:2282): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: gsignal.c:1716: signal `group-switch' is invalid for instance `0x80fffc8'
[06:59] <duncanm> ** (totem-video-thumbnailer:2282): CRITICAL **: bacon_video_widget_open_with_subtitle: assertion `mrl != NULL' failed
[06:59] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: try the gdm thing first ;)
[07:00] <lil_anthony> ok
[07:00] <lil_anthony> just type gdm?
[07:00] <bur[n] er> no
[07:00] <bur[n] er> look at what i said ;)
[07:00] <bur[n] er> or try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[07:00] <lil_anthony> aww ok sorry i had missed that
[07:00] <bur[n] er> no worries, i didn't type your nick ;)
[07:00] <monoxide222> The following files could not be played. Please check that:
[07:00] <monoxide222> 1. they are accessible.
[07:00] <monoxide222> 2. you have enabled the media plugins required.
[07:01] <monoxide222> so does anyone know what plugin it needs?
[07:01] <bur[n] er> wma plugin? ;)
[07:01] <monoxide222> lol
[07:01] <huDeHell> what the fck is wma?
[07:01] <bur[n] er> windows media audio
[07:01] <monoxide222> windows media audio
[07:01] <lil_anthony> bur[n] er: ok so restart gdm then type startx?
[07:01] <crimsun> you need 'w32codecs' from debian-marillat.
[07:01] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: no
[07:01] <eskilo> so bush smoked pot eh?
[07:01] <crimsun> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:01] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: restart gdm should show a login screen
[07:01] <lil_anthony> ok as you can tell i'm lost
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> lil_anthony: xine has all the codecs already isntalled
[07:01] <lil_anthony> no it doesn't
[07:02] <lil_anthony> as in no it doesn't show login
[07:02] <eskilo> does xine come with theora?
[07:02] <monoxide222> would it be on apt anrd what would it be called?
[07:02] <duncanm> lil_anthony: do you know anything about gnome-video-thumbnailer?
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> eskilo: no
[07:02] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: try to hit "alt+f7" after you restart gdm
[07:02] <huDeHell> monoxide222, i d get xine for tat creepy codec..
[07:02] <eskilo> well, that's a serious failing.
[07:02] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: go to the link crimsun pasted :P
[07:02] <lil_anthony> that does nothing
[07:02] <huDeHell> with xine u just dont have to wine
[07:03] <monoxide222> i have w32codecs
[07:03] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: u can play it with totem i'm sure
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> monoxide222: good.
[07:03] <bur[n] er> beep uses it's own playback... so it's funny
[07:03] <lil_anthony> it can't load synaptics for one
[07:03] <monoxide222> yes, you can. but tahts a seperate player.... not my favourite way of doing it
[07:04] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: u get the xorg package for synaptics?
[07:04] <membreya> is there any way to control the buffer length of dmesg??
[07:04] <lil_anthony> not that i know of
[07:04] <lil_anthony> here is what i did exactly
[07:04] <lil_anthony> i downgraded all the backports as stated on the website
[07:04] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-synaptics ??
[07:04] <lil_anthony> and removed all the left over backports manually
[07:04] <huDeHell> which scripts has been used while making the newest ubuntu live cd?
[07:04] <crimsun> membreya: -s
[07:04] <lil_anthony> then i did a apt-update after changing warty to hoary
[07:05] <lil_anthony> then dist-upgrade
[07:05] <huDeHell> mklivecd, live-cd or whatever?
[07:05] <lil_anthony> and here i am
[07:05] <bur[n] er> oooh
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> ppl who signed up to be upfated on gmail, got an invitation ??
[07:05] <bur[n] er> i would say do upgrades first
[07:05] <bur[n] er> then dist-upgrade :\
[07:05] <lil_anthony> well what do you recommend now ?
[07:05] <monoxide222> that link says what to do for mp3, but not wma
[07:05] <bur[n] er> but... regardless, did you get any apt errors?  maybe it didn't finish?  "apt-get -f install" ??  maybe try apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade again and see if anything is left?
[07:05] <lil_anthony> sudo apt-get upgrade?
[07:05] <crimsun> monoxide222: also wma.
[07:06] <lil_anthony> no all was good
[07:06] <bur[n] er> monoxide222: try a 'find' for wma
[07:06] <monoxide222> MP3 and Windows Media Audio
[07:06] <eskilo> ever since i switched from slack to ubuntu i can't join dalnet.  anyone else have that problem?
[07:06] <monoxide222> but all it says is that wma is patent encumbered, nothing about how to fix it
[07:06] <crimsun> monoxide222: ...install w32codecs.
[07:06] <lil_anthony> i'm downloading the iso so hopefully i can get the iso to work of array 5
[07:07] <lil_anthony> but i don't understand why the upgrade isn't working honestly
[07:07] <monoxide222> w32codecs is already the newest version.
[07:07] <bur[n] er> monoxide: try totem?
[07:07] <eskilo> what does it mean when apt-get says, "The following packages have been kept back:"
[07:07] <crimsun> monoxide: you don't have the full ("all") package, do you?
[07:07] <eskilo> why is it not upgrading that package
[07:07] <lil_anthony> is there a log file taht i could maybe ssh over to this pc and this post it to get a better idea?
[07:07] <bur[n] er> lil_anthony: yeah, i would always 'upgrade' before 'dist-upgrade'
[07:07] <techn9ne> monoxide: get totem-xine
[07:07] <huDeHell> anyone here has experiences with making own live-cds? which scripts do u recommend??
[07:07] <lil_anthony> well i will know th at for now on
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: is the all required ? the w32codecs dont have all only essential, right ?
[07:07] <monoxide> bur[n] er, like i said, it works with totem, but thats a seperate program, id rather keep it all in one
[07:07] <derek> long time debian user looking to try ubuntu as have new dell latitude d505.... i grabbed the warty livecd it gives error
[07:08] <lil_anthony> what do you suggest at this point?
[07:08] <bur[n] er> monoxide: tough ;)
[07:08] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: correct
[07:08] <derek> "The operating system denied access to the specified file."
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: does it /really/ make a differnce ?
[07:08] <bur[n] er> monoxide: u can use totem for everything...
[07:08] <crimsun> derek: at this point, I strongly urge you to try Array 5
[07:08] <derek> i think it is trying to run start.exe
[07:08] <eskilo> is there a way to make grub display in a higher resolution?
[07:08] <bur[n] er> monoxide: i use rhythmbox for music and totem for video... with an occasional xmms to play .flac
[07:09] <derek> what is array 5?
[07:09] <crimsun> see the topic.
[07:09] <jdub> the fifth test release
[07:10] <lil_anthony> derek: yeah try array 5 me and you can try to fix this together :) cause i'm lost at this point hope the iso works
[07:10] <derek> this is new lingo to me
[07:10] <crimsun> which, coincidentally, needs to be freshened ;)
[07:10] <derek> i believe i have warty 4.10
[07:10] <derek> is array 5
[07:10] <derek> warty 5.x?
[07:10] <monoxide> i used to use xmms for all my music and mplayer for movies
[07:10] <crimsun> derek: no, array 5 is the 5th milestone towards hoary, which is warty+1
[07:10] <lil_anthony> dang iso should be done brb
[07:11] <bur[n] er> derek: array 5 is like a hoary beta so to speak
[07:11] <copilot> anyone have time/knowledge to help me set up an ftp server?
[07:11] <derek> i can't handle windows on this laptop for much longer :)
[07:11] <GammaRay> monoxide: try this: http://mcmcc.bat.ru/xmms-wma/
[07:11] <derek> two days is torture enough
[07:11] <derek> i love my debian, but really want to give ubuntu a try
[07:11] <bardamu> question: i've just installed a minial ubuntu and i'm on dial up. i've used pppconfig to set up ISP's info, and I can connect fine. However, even after I add myself as a user, it still only allows root to "pon" -- any ideas?
[07:11] <derek> i see array 4 in the headline
[07:11] <derek> but i dont see array 4 (er topic)
[07:11] <TOP1yuiop> how can i cange my background witha jpeg i have?
[07:11] <derek> so where can i download or bittorent array 5?
[07:11] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: read ;)
[07:12] <TOP1yuiop> ok
[07:12] <TOP1yuiop> ....
[07:12] <derek> and is there a livecd for it?
[07:12] <crimsun> derek: change the 4 to a 5
[07:12] <monoxide> anyone know any good music converters?
[07:12] <crimsun> derek: yes.
[07:12] <derek> crimsun: thanks
[07:12] <monoxide> either win or linux
[07:12] <bur[n] er> TOP1yuiop: right click the desktop
[07:12] <bur[n] er> monoxide: to convert what to what?
[07:12] <derek> does ubuntu have same concept of package maintainers as debian does?
[07:13] <derek> ie how do you go about getting packages into ubuntu?
[07:13] <monoxide> wma to mp3 or ogg
[07:13] <GammaRay> monoxide: I use mplayer for wavs but one of the folders on that site is wma2wav
[07:13] <crimsun> derek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[07:13] <derek> same friendly irc as debian glad to see
[07:13] <bardamu> derek: apt-get (and synaptic) both work in a similar manner
[07:13] <GammaRay> monoxide: did you see that link?
[07:13] <monoxide> yes, i noticed that, but isnt wav fairly large files?
[07:13] <GammaRay> wav can also be converted to anything wasily
[07:13] <derek> thank you crimsun much nicer than front page of 1000+ page of a website ;)
[07:13] <GammaRay> err easily
[07:13] <bur[n] er> monoxide: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/352
[07:14] <eskilo> is it bad if my apt-get has super cow powers?
[07:14] <monoxide> lol
[07:14] <GammaRay> monoxide: but why not try xmms-wma first...
[07:14] <derek> bardamu: i meant how does one go about making packages for inclusion in ubuntu repositories
[07:14] <monoxide> eskilo, that is UNIX humour for you
[07:14] <eskilo> i hate unix humor.
[07:14] <derek> i think crimsun readily answered
[07:14] <eskilo> technical/electronic things should be sterile, not funny.
[07:14] <bardamu> derek: beyond my scope of knowledge, sorry
[07:14] <eskilo> i removed fortune from my system.
[07:15] <monoxide> GammaRay, because the original xmms will not play at all anyway, and i never liked having wmas anyway
[07:15] <PoW> How do you install .deb files?
[07:15] <eskilo> use vorbis.
[07:15] <crimsun> PoW: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[07:15] <PoW> thanks
[07:15] <bardamu> anyone know of an AIM client that doesn't require GTK or QT?
[07:16] <crimsun> bardamu: naim.
[07:16] <eskilo> anyone notice lots of weird problems with thunderbird?  like it doesn't "move" emails to another directory; it marks as deleted and makes a new copy.
[07:16] <bardamu> crimson: brilliant! thank you!
[07:16] <crimsun> bardamu: btlbee for irssi.
[07:16] <monoxide> brb, thanks for that link for wma->mp3 too
[07:16] <bob2> |QuaD|: hm?
[07:16] <bardamu> err... "couldn't find package naim"
[07:17] <|QuaD|> bob2: is there something wrong with the mailing list in digest format
[07:17] <|QuaD|> doesn't attach the "date" header
[07:17] <|QuaD|> which messes up kmail
[07:17] <GammaRay> if I were to convert I'd to it to a high bit rate for minimal quality loss
[07:17] <GammaRay> I'd rather just obtain the music again
[07:17] <paulproteus> bardamu: It's probably in universe.
[07:17] <crimsun> bardamu: hoary/universe, not in warty/universe.
[07:17] <|QuaD|> bob2: *mailinglists
[07:17] <bardamu> i have universe enabled in sources.list
[07:18] <bur[n] er> bardamu: try centericq?
[07:18] <duncanm> hrm
[07:18] <duncanm> turns out totem is not working at all on my machine
[07:18] <bur[n] er> centericq is multi-protocol and curses based
[07:18] <bur[n] er> duncanm: dpkg-reconfigure totem ?
[07:18] <bardamu> my sole computer is a 500mhz celeron with 128mb RAM... I'm trying to go lite-weight
[07:18] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i keep on seeing this
[07:19] <duncanm> (totem:2906): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: gsignal.c:1716: signal `group-switch' is invalid for instance `0x82f64a8'
[07:19] <duncanm> ** (totem:2906): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, systemstream=(boolean)false
[07:19] <duncanm> (totem:2906): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_set_valist: object class `GstPlayBin' has no property named `suburi'
[07:19] <bur[n] er> duncanm: i have no idea... just try a reconfigure ;)
[07:19] <membreya> hmmm can anyone explain why I keep getting auth requests on port 113 from external IPs? is it someone trying to hijack me or what?
[07:19] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i did, that didn't do it
[07:19] <bur[n] er> remove ~/.totem ?
[07:20] <bob2> |QuaD|: I don't know, I've never used the digest mode
[07:20] <bob2> |QuaD|: jdub'd be the one to ask
[07:20] <eskilo> this is annoying.  i've set up defaults in xchat and they aren't working.
[07:20] <bur[n] er> er... i meant ~/.gnome/totem_config
[07:20] <|QuaD|> bob2: heh, ok, if you speak to him and remember, can you ask?
[07:20] <|QuaD|> if i see him i will ask
[07:20] <duncanm> bur[n] er: there is no .totem
[07:21] <bur[n] er> duncanm: see my last msg ;)
[07:21] <derek> is there a way to install ubuntu from the livecd or is it really only for eval purposes?
[07:21] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i don't see that either
[07:21] <bob2> |QuaD-: will do
[07:21] <bur[n] er> duncanm: ~/.gnome2/totem_config ;)
[07:21] <|QuaD-> thanks :)
[07:22] <bur[n] er> duncanm: that's it for real this time (i double checked)
[07:22] <zenrox> its a hidden dir duncanm
[07:22] <bur[n] er> zenrox: i posted the wrong location
[07:22] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i have totem-addons, but no totem_config
[07:22] <zenrox> bur[n] er,  oh
[07:22] <zenrox> i dint even notice
[07:22] <bur[n] er> odd... i have a totem_config
[07:23] <andres_> hi
[07:23] <duncanm> bur[n] er: i think my entire gstreamer setup is really wacked out
[07:23] <andres_> has anyone tried gnomebaker?
[07:23] <duncanm> bur[n] er: which is the base package, i wanna try to reinstall the whole thing from scratch
[07:23] <zenrox> andres_,  i have
[07:23] <bur[n] er> duncanm: apt-get install totem-xine ;)
[07:23] <bur[n] er> it works better than gstreamer... plays more formats anyway
[07:23] <andres_> keeps freezing for me
[07:24] <zenrox> andres_,  like how
[07:24] <bur[n] er> andres_: if you want an alternative, go for "graveman"
[07:24] <andres_> i select some mp3s and when i select but it freezes
[07:24] <zenrox> have you read up on gnomebaker webpage
[07:24] <andres_> maybe because of vbr mp3s
[07:24] <andres_> not really
[07:24] <andres_> wh?
[07:24] <zenrox> thay might have a work around on there page
[07:25] <membreya> hmmm I was playing around with the volume control before and selecting different devices..it suddenly disappeared and now I can't get gnome volume control to display..any ideas? :(
[07:25] <bur[n] er> is there a gnome app for showing available wireless networks and allowing you to connect to it via a gui?
[07:25] <duncanm> bur[n] er: woohoo, rock
[07:25] <duncanm> bur[n] er: gstreamer just didn't work
[07:25] <bur[n] er> duncanm: glad you got it goin :)
[07:26] <zenrox> bur[n] er, wifi montor
[07:26] <membreya> and I've tried rebooting..still unable to display my volume controls..yet I can use the alsamixer in the console
[07:26] <bur[n] er> zenrox: ever use it?  i've seen that, it's python i think
[07:27] <zenrox> nope dont have wifi
[07:27] <bur[n] er> aww
[07:27] <zenrox> so i dont know
[07:27] <bur[n] er> it's not in ubuntu either :\
[07:27] <zenrox> ya it is
[07:27] <bur[n] er> it is?
[07:27] <duncanm> bur[n] er: thanks, later
[07:27] <bur[n] er> apt-cache search wifi <---returns nothing
[07:27] <zenrox> right click on the gnome bar and add it to the bar
[07:28] <membreya> zenrox: the volume control is still there and I can move the slider, just every time I try and open the options for it nothing displays
[07:28] <zenrox> membreya,  that was for bur[n] er
[07:28] <membreya> zenrox: damn!
[07:29] <bur[n] er> zenrox: i don't see it
[07:29] <zenrox> hmm dont know then
[07:29] <bur[n] er> eh, i'm guessing i'll have to install it by hand... (but i don't wanna ;)
[07:29] <zenrox> bur[n] er,  you can go look on www.sourceforge.net and see if thare is one thare
[07:30] <bur[n] er> zenrox: nah, just curious if someone had 1st hand experience
[07:30] <bur[n] er> i'm content with 'iwconfig' if there's not a suitable app yet ;)
[07:30] <zenrox> thare probly is you just have to compile it your self
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> anyone got ET running successfully on ubuntu hoary ?
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> is it in apt ?
[07:31] <Braydz4Lee> hey can someone tell me if the ndis wrapper is included with the downloadable iso?
[07:31] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  me
[07:31] <zenrox> i have et running just fine
[07:31] <membreya> does anyone know why I can't open my volume control in gnome????
[07:31] <membreya> well just found
[07:31] <membreya> dmesg is showing the following:
[07:31] <membreya> gnome-volume-co[8508] : segfault at 0000000000000019 rip 0000002a96863e11 rsp 0000007fbffff3c0 error 4
[07:31] <membreya> gnome-volume-co[8508] : segfault at 0000000000000019 rip 0000002a96863e11 rsp 0000007fbffff3c0 error 4
[07:31] <membreya> even
[07:32] <membreya> anyone got any tips?
[07:32] <PoW> What would be the proper way to install drivers for my video and soundcard?
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: any problems, during install or anything ?
[07:32] <bardamu> dmesg
[07:32] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  nope
[07:32] <zenrox> da_bon_bon, loves my nvidia vid card
[07:32] <Braydz4Lee> hey can someone tell me if the ndis wrapper is included with the downloadable iso?
[07:32] <zenrox> the .run file is nice
[07:33] <zenrox> Braydz4Lee,  no
[07:33] <Braydz4Lee> zenrox: Sigh
[07:33] <Braydz4Lee> cant use it then
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: will it run smoothly on an i810 onboard ? :(
[07:33] <zenrox> you can you jsut have to do it your self
[07:33] <crimsun> PoW: what hardware?
[07:33] <PoW> nvidiea
[07:33] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  brobly not
[07:33] <PoW> nvidia*
[07:34] <Braydz4Lee> Zenrox, I know but how many dependencies are there
[07:34] <PoW> geforce
[07:34] <crimsun> PoW: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:34] <zenrox> Braydz4Lee,  i dont know how to do it ask some one else but from what i have seen in this room it can be done
[07:34] <zenrox> Braydz4Lee, and farly easly
[07:35] <bardamu> argh! why won't ALT+F2 switch my to a text login screen...
[07:35] <crimsun> bardamu: because it's ctrl+alt+f2 from within an X session.
[07:35] <Agrajag> because if you're in X, you need to use ctrl-alt-F2.
[07:35] <zenrox> bardamu,  try alt+ctrl+f1-6
[07:36] <bardamu> ah, because it's CTRL+ALT. . .  nevermind
[07:36] <PoW> okay
[07:36] <bardamu> stupid ubuntu
[07:36] <PoW> now how about for my audigy2 sound card?
[07:36] <bob2> bardamu: er
[07:37] <bob2> bardamu: that's an X thing and is the same on every other Unix I've ever seen
[07:37] <crimsun> PoW: should already work.
[07:37] <helix_> is there a way to get mplayer with apt-get
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> bardamu: stupid u, not ubuntu
[07:37] <mlambie> my laptop runs powernowd, but i want to force it to run at 600MHz when it's on batteries and powernowd doesn't support that. can anyone recomend anyhting else?
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> helix_: apt-get install mplayer w32codecs
[07:38] <bob2> helix_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:38] <monoxide> helix_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:38] <GammaRay> da_bon_bon: just come up w/ that one? :-P
[07:38] <helix_> da_bon_bon_ it cant find the packages
[07:39] <monoxide> someone setup a bot with that link sent out every couple of minutes....
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> GammaRay: come up with what ?
[07:39] <zenrox> monoxide,  lol
[07:39] <membreya> mlambie: go to a console
[07:39] <membreya> and type
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> helix_: add marillat, universe multiverse
[07:39] <membreya> sudo apt-get install emifreqd-applet
[07:40] <monoxide> apt seems to be ignoring some of my sources since i updated to hoary...
[07:40] <monoxide> any ideas why?
[07:40] <mlambie> membreya: package not found, is that in warty or only hoary?
[07:40] <membreya> warty
[07:40] <membreya> erm
[07:41] <membreya> hoary even!
[07:41] <mlambie> right
[07:41] <membreya> mlambie: try going to http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/gnome/emifreq-applet
[07:41] <GammaRay> da_bon_bon: the rhyme
[07:41] <mlambie> membreya: checking now, thanks
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> GammaRay: ah, :) doesnt it jingle ?
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[07:42] <mlambie> I've been thinking about moving up to hoary anyway... this gives me another reason
[07:43] <helix_> is it hoary like unstable
[07:44] <monoxide> not much
[07:45] <monoxide> i havnt had any troubles with instability, just things not running at all
[07:45] <monoxide> nothing mission critical though
[07:53] <zenrox> monoxide,  ya nothen thats a realy show stoper
[07:55] <monoxide> hmmmm... gaim wont play sounds while beep is playing music...
[07:56] <zenrox> monoxide,  using polypaudio
[07:56] <bob2> if you're on hoary
[07:56] <monoxide> polypaudio?
[07:56] <monoxide> is... what? audio player?
[07:57] <zenrox> its a esd replacment
[07:57] <PoW> Does xorg come installed with ubuntu?
[07:57] <monoxide> with hoary, yes
[07:57] <PoW> warty?
[07:57] <monoxide> xfree
[07:57] <PoW> hm
[07:58] <monoxide> polypaudio is already the newest version.
[07:58] <monoxide> so how do i configure it to use it?
[07:58] <zenrox> tell gaim to use esd and tell beep to use esd
[07:59] <Codyman> i'm trying to install kdelibs-data through apt-get.. but i keep getting an error of: "trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package gnome-menus"
[07:59] <monoxide> they are already
[07:59] <Echylo> hello, I have a problem, when I try to shutdown the computer it powers off the HD's but not the computer itself, I use warthy
[07:59] <bob2> Echylo: add 'apm', no quotes on a lie by itself to /etc/modules
[07:59] <monoxide> or, gaim is, and beep is using whatever it started with...
[08:00] <membreya> does anyone know why my gnome volume controller is seg faulting?
[08:00] <monoxide> "Esound Output"?
[08:01] <zenrox> monoxide,  yep
[08:02] <monoxide> membreya, no idea, but if you are using hoary, im having troubles with programs doing that too
[08:02] <monoxide> thanks zenrox :)
[08:02] <zenrox> that work
[08:02] <monoxide> yep
[08:02] <zenrox> lol
[08:03] <monoxide> which is good... cos my friends on msn where getting kinda annoyed when after 10-15 mins i still hadnt replied to there messages :P
[08:03] <zenrox> lol
[08:04] <monoxide> hmm... any other problems im having...
[08:04] <monoxide> ohh, wine doesnt seem to want to work
[08:04] <monoxide> same problems as xmms
[08:05] <zenrox> monoxide, switch it all to esd
[08:06] <monoxide> no, i mean it wont start at all
[08:06] <monoxide> yea, i get that much about the sound :)
[08:06] <zenrox> monoxide,  try gxine
[08:06] <zenrox> also it might help to del the .xine dir
[08:06] <dbjh> where ca i locate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:07] <zenrox> dbjh,  rith thare
[08:07] <zenrox> right thare
[08:08] <membreya> monoxide: the trouble only started after I was playing with devices other than the default one .... :\
[08:13] <monoxide> i dont think i have been fiddling with any devices, but updateing to hoary has caused a heap of non *critical* (ie. my computer wont boot at all) problems
[08:13] <zenrox> monoxide,  play with it you will get it worken agine
[08:14] <monoxide> yea
[08:15] <membreya> zenrox: can you explain why my gnome volume is seg faulting then? :P
[08:15] <membreya> I've apt-get removed and installed it
[08:15] <monoxide> i still havent the foggyest idea why the system boot cant mount my hdd, yet when straight after that i go into single user and "mount -a" it works... :/
[08:16] <zeno> how to save mixer settings?
[08:17] <zenrox> membreya,  have you done a goo hard restart
[08:17] <membreya> zenrox: yup :(
[08:17] <zenrox> hmm dont know
[08:17] <membreya> :'(
[08:18] <monoxide> probably somehow related to the reason my programs were segfaulting
[08:18] <monoxide> but i fixed that by using an alternative to the program....
[08:20] <raghu> (ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host) any body with this problem with ssh
[08:20] <lil_anthony> questino is there something i'm over looking in hoary array 5, what i mean specifially is everything seems to be working but ndiswrapper simply refuses to allow me to modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:20] <monoxide> woo hoo!! the wma->mp3 worked perfectly :D
[08:20] <lil_anthony> it says operation permission denied even though i'm root
[08:20] <arbeck> I'm having a problem... I can't make either gnomebaker or nautilus burn a cd... but I can do it fine from the command line with cdrecord
[08:22] <yohannes> i am quite sure that most of you use the ext3 journaling system. when you boot your box right after POST, does it say ext3 or ext2fs?
[08:22] <yohannes> because mine shows ext2fs although doing "df" shows that it is indeed ext3
[08:23] <yohannes> i dont think both of the terms are interchangeable, they are supposed to be totally different right?
[08:24] <yohannes> anyone knows why it displays ext2fs instead of ext3?
[08:24] <yohannes> btw during the installation i went w/ the default config which the installation used the ext3 format
[08:24] <Cam-> because its ext2?
[08:24] <Cam-> =P
[08:25] <Cam-> have u looked under fdisk?
[08:25] <Cam-> or
[08:25] <Cam-> type mount
[08:25] <Cam-> and see what its mounted as
[08:25] <al3x> quit
[08:26] <allorder> hello
[08:27] <allorder> when I run games all is good and when I exit the game X crash and it goes to the login, someone can help me pls ?
[08:27] <CapnZot> hmm
[08:27] <GammaRay> allorder: have you checked ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:28] <allorder> no..
[08:28] <allorder> how pls ?
[08:30] <allorder> i found how
[08:30] <yohannes> cam > on df -T it says ext3
[08:30] <allorder> I can past ?
[08:31] <GammaRay> how many lines?
[08:31] <allorder> 16
[08:31] <allorder> a bit too long
[08:31] <allorder> :S
[08:31] <GammaRay> unless you can pear it down.. bet to use #flood
[08:31] <GammaRay> s/bet/best
[08:31] <allorder> ok
[08:32] <yohannes> gammaray > i check on .xssession-errors, there is none saying about it
[08:33] <yohannes> although there are 3 critical errors which i have no clue about
[08:33] <yohannes> they are:
[08:33] <yohannes> (eog:5688): GLib-CRITICAL **: file gstrfuncs.c: line 1821 (g_strcasecmp): assertion `s1 != NULL' failed
[08:33] <yohannes> ** (eog:5688): CRITICAL **: file pango-color.c: line 952 (pango_color_parse): assertion `spec != NULL' failed
[08:33] <yohannes> and finally:
[08:33] <yohannes> (eog:5688): GLib-CRITICAL **: file gstrfuncs.c: line 1821 (g_strcasecmp): assertion `s1 != NULL' failed
[08:33] <yohannes> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access
[08:34] <yohannes> i dont think they are related to the journaling system
[08:34] <lil_anthony> woo hoo i got it had the wrong version of ndiswrapper
[08:34] <lil_anthony> now to see how fast i can bork it :p
[08:35] <GammaRay> allorder: take a look at this also: /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[08:35] <allorder> ok
[08:36] <GammaRay> I gotta go and watch something...
[08:36] <allorder> osh
[08:36] <GammaRay> just don't paste the whole log file :-P
[08:36] <allorder> too many line
[08:36] <allorder> :S
[08:36] <GammaRay> look for the last few lines for any errors
[08:36] <allorder> ok
[08:37] <membreya> I'm trying to get xorg to display 1280x1024 however it's not showing up as a valid option
[08:37] <membreya> I've changed the xorg.conf
[08:37] <membreya> and nothing changes in gdm
[08:37] <membreya> however when I change the metamodes I have gdm simply blacks out my monitor (like refresh rate is too high)
[08:38] <membreya> anyone able to offer their settings from xorg.conf for 1280x1024?
[08:38] <monoxide> have you tried "dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[08:39] <monoxide> have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[08:39] <membreya> going to try now :)
[08:39] <monoxide> the second one
[08:40] <dbjh> what is the opposite of get-update
[08:40] <monoxide> apt-get install package=version
[08:43] <borgista> a question on Gnome: I add new elements to my Gnome menus but they don't appear? Any reasons why?
[08:43] <borgista> A bug?
[08:44] <dbjh> can anybody please tell me how to fix this message  Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.unbuntu.com warty/multiverse  Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.unbuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_multiverse_
[08:45] <monoxide> close anything that uses the package list, ie. synaptic, aptitude, apt-get etc etc etc
[08:45] <delltony> i have two questions one how do you check to make sure your actually running hoary, when i hit about ubuntu it took me to the warty page. i'm almost certain i'm running hoary at least thats what the image said but i want to make sure and uname -a really didn't tell me
[08:46] <delltony> next question is: i know on the wiki for warty there was a list of repositories to add, i can't seem to find the same thing for hoary if someone could link me that would be great
[08:47] <borgista> delltony www.ubuntuguide.rog
[08:47] <xoxoxo> hello. i have a tar.gz file, and it is so big (more than 900MB). now i want to know in advanced if my HDD has enough space to unzip it. is TAR has any option that let me know how bis  the unzip file will be?
[08:47] <borgista> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:47] <borgista> fo there
[08:47] <borgista> go there*
[08:48] <delltony> that applies to hoary too?
[08:48] <borgista> just change all the instances of "warty" to "hoary"
[08:48] <borgista> i would think so.
[08:48] <borgista> though i'm not expert.
[08:49] <delltony> yeah thats what i was thinking just wasn't sure
[08:50] <zenrox> who do i unrar mutible rar files
[08:50] <membreya> grrr it's still not letting me go above 1024x768
[08:50] <zenrox> i have unrar installed
[08:50] <borgista> how?
[08:50] <delltony> ok i see something i totally hate in gnome as i did with xp how in the heck do you turn off that groupin feature
[08:50] <borgista> i use $ rar e file_name
[08:50] <borgista> groupin?
[08:50] <Tomcat_> zenrox: unrar x *.rar?
[08:50] <membreya> delltony: right click on the bottom panel, on the line next to the show desktop icon and go to preferences
[08:51] <membreya> then select Never Group Windows
[08:51] <Agrajag> for i in ./*.rar; do unrar x "$i"; done
[08:51] <zenrox> borgista,  thx that worked
[08:52] <borgista> your welcome
[08:52] <delltony> aww haha funny was trying that but just clickin in the wrong place
[08:52] <delltony> thanks
[08:52] <membreya> can someone please help me in getting my screen to 1280x1024..otherwise it's all too cluttered
[08:52] <monoxide> membreya, are you SURE your monitor etc can go to 1280x1024?
[08:53] <membreya> yes indeed it can monoxide
[08:53] <monoxide> did you select 1280x1024 as an available resolution in dpkg-reconfigure?
[08:53] <allorder> when I run games all is good and when I exit the game X crash and it goes to the login, someone can help me pls ?
[08:54] <membreya> yup monoxide
[08:54] <membreya> hmmm I can take it above 1024 x 768 in windows
[08:54] <membreya> but according to the web that's the max
[08:54] <membreya> ok now I'm confused
[08:55] <borgista> My screen is set @ 1280x1024
[08:55] <monoxide> im using 1024x768, but i had my comp running at 1280x1024 for a while on hoary
[08:55] <membreya> I have a dell e772p monitor
[08:56] <membreya>  Highest addressable resolution* 1280 x 1024 at 60 Hz
[08:56] <membreya> so I can run it ...grrrrr
[08:56] <membreya> meh..will have some dinner and come back to it
[08:56] <monoxide> i have a relatively old KTX monitor and it still worked
[09:00] <principerobot> hi
[09:00] <principerobot> I need help
[09:00] <monoxide> with?
[09:00] <principerobot> :-)
[09:00] <floresg> test
[09:00] <principerobot> I'm a newbie
[09:00] <kindrom> hmm... how do I get Rhythmbox to support mp3?
[09:01] <principerobot> I need to know how I can know my IP
[09:01] <PoW> Anyone happen to have the old ventrilo for deb?
[09:01] <PoW> ;P
[09:01] <principerobot> How can I do it?
[09:02] <membreya> principerobot: type ifconfig
[09:02] <arbeck> has anyone else had cd burning problems with nautilus?  I get this message repeatedly when I try: reload rewritable or blank media
[09:02] <monoxide> oh crap..... beep just started getting sigsegv's as well.... :/ :(
[09:02] <jonx> anyone know of a soft-ice variant for linux?
[09:03] <biomic> hey - can someone tell me the command to see where my HFS+ osx partition is mounted when running under ubuntu here ?
[09:03] <principerobot> And for the address of the dns-server of my LAN?
[09:05] <kindrom> so no one knows how to install mp3 support for Rhythmbox?
[09:05] <Agrajag> kindrom: did you look at the topic?
[09:06] <Agrajag> particularly the guide
[09:06] <kindrom> I'm asking here, not browsing docs
[09:06] <principerobot> please somebody know how I can know the address of the dns-server of my LAN?
[09:06] <Agrajag> kindrom: it just took me 2 seconds to find it on the guide
[09:06] <Agrajag> in fact, here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:06] <Agrajag> If you're too lazy to read that, you can wait for someone else to answer.
[09:07] <biomic> cheers for the link - that guide rocks and it solved my issue
[09:07] <monoxide> kindrom, get used to reading. most things are much easier to find yourself
[09:07] <arbeck> kindrom: google can be your friend
[09:07] <Agrajag> kindrom: it would take one of us 5 minutes to walk you through this, more if you or we make mistakes.
[09:08] <Agrajag> The guide will tell you exactly what to do, and more to the point.
[09:09] <PoW> Does anyone know where I could find the correct drivers for my soundcard. I have an SoundBlaster Audiy 2.
[09:09] <principerobot> please somebody know how I can know the address of the dns-server of my LAN?
[09:09] <zeno> what is neccessary to save mixer setting?
[09:09] <kindrom> I'm just being an ass because I'm irritated that Rhythmbox doesn't come with mp3 codecs.
[09:09] <kindrom> Lamest thing I've ever heard of.
[09:09] <Agrajag> kindrom: it's necessary.
[09:10] <Agrajag> mp3 is patented by Fraunhofer.
[09:10] <Agrajag> well, them and Thomson, I think
[09:10] <Agrajag> Anyway, they charge a fee for anyone who wants to distribute an mp3 codec.
[09:10] <kindrom> I use Gentoo normally, so docs aren't exactly foreign. I just figured Ubuntu was more... user-friendly.
[09:10] <principerobot> please somebody know how I can know the address of the dns-server of my LAN?
[09:10] <kindrom> Guess not.
[09:11] <arbeck> kindrom: if a distrubition shipped with mp3 ability they could be sued out of existence
[09:11] <Agrajag> So, they cannot legally distribute an mp3 encoder in countries where that patent is valid, without paying out the nose for licensing
[09:11] <monoxide> zeno, a cp command?
[09:11] <arbeck> principerobot: can't you just use dhcp?
[09:13] <zeno> yes what cp command I dont know where mixers are set from.
[09:13] <Amaranth> kindrom: Whether or not it's userfriendly, you can't blame Ubuntu for that.
[09:13] <monoxide> more userfriendly, but still free
[09:14] <monoxide> try looking somewhere in ~/.gnome or ~/.gnome2 zeno
[09:14] <arbeck> Can anyone help me with a cd burning problem I've having in nautilus?  It may just be a kernel problem, I don't know
[09:14] <Amaranth> mixer? you mean like aumix?
[09:19] <zeno> ok, then what is the program that sets the mixers for gnome, so I know where to find, or to use aumix at system start where would be appropriate to do this setting after driver loading.
[09:20] <Amaranth> zeno: If you set and save it with aumix it should stay.
[09:20] <Amaranth> Otherwise you can use gnome's volume control to set it too, iirc.
[09:22] <zeno> actually it appears init.d/alsa is supposed to do this, but aparently not. I had trouble getting sound in the first place and had to put the driver in /etc/modules so that it would load early enough for /dev/snd stuff to get setup correctly. any idea source of such problem thinkpad t20?
[09:22] <zeno> the gnome setting does not stick after logout.
[09:23] <delltony> quick question how do you get alsa-mixer in hoary? i thought the command was alsa-mixer but obviously it has change or i don't have it installed
[09:24] <zeno> alsamixergui gnome-alsa-mixer
[09:25] <monoxide> does anyone know if there is a linux equivalent for M$ visio?
[09:26] <delltony> ok i installed alsamixergui
[09:26] <delltony> so i need the other one too
[09:26] <arbeck> Can anyone help me with a cd burning problem I've having in nautilus?  It may just be a kernel problem, I don't know... I keep getting this message: reload rewritable or blank media
[09:29] <delltony> ok tht worked thanks
[09:32] <yohannes> is there anyway i can perform a search on apt w/o relying on the synaptic?
[09:32] <nozename> sorry, machine a little flaky after actually smoking months ago (rain). continues to function for the most part. ideas on alsa mixers not storing with init.d/alsa?
[09:32] <yohannes> i mean on the terimina
[09:32] <yohannes> *terminal
[09:34] <yohannes> i read the manual but it doest list the ability to perform a search
[09:34] <yohannes> on the terminal
[09:34] <delltony> yeah it does
[09:34] <delltony> if you type /
[09:35] <delltony> while reading the manual you can search
[09:35] <yohannes> it's such a waste of time to launch synaptic everytime i want to search for something
[09:35] <monoxide> does anyone know how to read a .oma file?
[09:35] <monoxide> its a type of audio file
[09:35] <yohannes> delltony > i did that as well and there is no search function
[09:36] <delltony> example man apropos
[09:36] <delltony> when it opens up hit /
[09:36] <yohannes> does this mean the in order to search i have to solely rely on synaptic?
[09:36] <delltony> and then type what your looking for
[09:36] <delltony> and hit enter
[09:37] <yohannes> how does synaptic call on apt-get to perform a search?
[09:38] <yohannes> if synaptic has a search function but apt-get does not then i assume they work independently instead of synaptic works as a gui front-end of apt-get
[09:38] <Agrajag> yohannes: apt-cache search
[09:38] <delltony> i thought he was trying to search man pages sorry
[09:40] <yohannes> Agrajag > thanks for that tip
[09:40] <kreiger> hm
[09:40] <yohannes> i wouldnt have known that given the naming
[09:40] <kreiger> somebody wanna tell me the difference between warty and hoary?
[09:40] <Agrajag> warty is the current stable release, hoary is testing/unstable
[09:41] <kreiger> yes, but what makes hoary better than warty?
[09:41] <yohannes> kreiger > latest releases of packages
[09:41] <kreiger> hm
[09:42] <yohannes> kreiger > and among other things
[09:42] <kreiger> how unstable is unstable?
[09:42] <delltony> hey yohannes another cool thing you might want to play around with is apropos it reads the first line of a ap  like apropos hard drive  will show things like hdparm and things of that nature and give you an idea of what they do
[09:42] <yohannes> delltony > thanks for the tip. i will try that as a metter of fact
[09:42] <delltony> yeah thats how i have found a bunch of commands comes in handy
[09:43] <yohannes> so it's like a google basically
[09:43] <delltony> not to mention the guys and gals if any that hang in here
[09:44] <yohannes> btw, did gnome allows burning .cue file?
[09:44] <delltony> well i don't know if id say that much its just searchs the packages you have installed for commands that match what your looking for at least thats how i see it
[09:44] <yohannes> i know nautilus allows burning within itself but i think it only limits itself to iso file for the time being
[09:44] <delltony> yohannes, you tried k3b?
[09:44] <yohannes> i used to be a kde user and everything is done via k3b
[09:45] <monoxide> does anyone know if there is a linux equivalent for M$ visio?
[09:45] <jkp> ah
[09:45] <kindrom> Hm. I've got gstreamer installed and Rhythmbox still won't play mp3s. The guide doesn't seem to have anything else... uh, what am I missing?
[09:45] <jkp> people!
[09:45] <jkp> :)
[09:45] <Agrajag> oh wow spelling MS with a dollar sign, I see what you did there
[09:45] <Agrajag> very clever
[09:45] <jkp> can someone help me a little problem i have installing ubuntu
[09:45] <Agrajag> kindrom: you need gstreamer-mad
[09:45] <Agrajag> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:45] <monoxide> Agrajag, very old trick
[09:45] <Agrajag> monoxide: really?
[09:45] <jkp> i am trying to stick it on my ipod without losing ipod functionality
[09:45] <Agrajag> I never saw it before
[09:46] <delltony> now to find some really cool wallpaper and ill be all set for tonight
[09:46] <Agrajag> wow
[09:46] <Agrajag> just wow
[09:46] <jkp> i partitioned using pdisk and put some partitions in what i thought was the right pace
[09:46] <jkp> place
[09:46] <jkp> (this is mac btw)
[09:46] <delltony> i had it setup on warty but trying out hoary and i must say so far so good
[09:46] <jkp> the problem is the bootloader
[09:46] <delltony> however, upgrading from warty to hoary was a no go installing fresh got it up and running fine
[09:46] <jkp> does anyone know much about the bootloader and powerpc / mac?
[09:47] <Amaranth> monoxide, Agrajag: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l
[09:47] <Agrajag> Amaranth: yes, I know
[09:47] <Agrajag> I suppose sarcasm doesn't travel well over IRC
[09:47] <delltony> hey yohannes you ever read http://lost.sourceforge.net ?
[09:47] <delltony> like 755 cool things to do in the shell
[09:48] <Amaranth> Agrajag: It did that time, just making sure you saw it too.
[09:48] <kindrom> Interesting. gstreamer-mad depends on libid3tab0, which is obsoleted.
[09:48] <monoxide> hehehe
[09:48] <yohannes> delltony > no, what about it?
[09:48] <delltony> read my last comment
[09:48] <yohannes> i did
[09:48] <kindrom> libid3-3.8.3 is installed...
[09:48] <delltony> just shows you tips
[09:48] <monoxide> Agrajag, not really
[09:48] <smurfix> Anybody know if it's possible to update Plextor cd burner firmware with Linux?
[09:48] <PoW> Does anyone know where I could find the correct drivers for my soundcard. I have an SoundBlaster Audiy 2.
[09:48] <Agrajag> PoW: they're in the kernel already
[09:48] <PoW> Audigy 2*
[09:49] <yohannes> delltony > very interesting
[09:49] <PoW> hm
[09:49] <Agrajag> emu10k1 I think
[09:49] <Agrajag> something like that
[09:49] <delltony> yeah thats where i learned about apropos
[09:49] <kreiger> hm
[09:49] <kreiger> linux-686 is compatible with amd xp 2400+ barton core?
[09:49] <kreiger> or should i go k7?
[09:50] <Neil3> k7
[09:50] <Agrajag> either one will work
[09:50] <tga> kreiger: k7 if you have a choice
[09:50] <kindrom> gstreamer-mad is not listen in dselect; should I force install it or is there something else?
[09:50] <Neil3> using the k7 kernel here with a palomino 1800+
[09:50] <kindrom> s/listen/listed/
[09:51] <shock> re
[09:52] <yohannes> kindrom > i think you can do w/ gstreamerx.x-plugins which contains all you need
[09:54] <kindrom> which is neat because I have all those.
[09:54] <kindrom> Do I have to do something special to Rhythmbox ...?
[09:55] <dumbuser> quick question
[09:55] <yohannes> i just found out something weird. i had synaptic running, accidentally i also use the apt-get function on the terminal. obviously since i forgot synaptic is running, i am trying to install a program from the command line, it wont let me obviously.
[09:56] <dumbuser> what's the command to listen on my serial connection when talking to a network device
[09:56] <dumbuser> 9600 baud, etc.
[09:56] <tga> minicom
[09:56] <yohannes> so i exit from terminal, then back to synaptic to install the prog. interestingly, it did not want to install it after downloading it
[09:56] <yohannes> i have to close synaptic, relaunch it and then i was able to install it from cache
[09:56] <yohannes> do you guys think it's a bug?
[09:57] <yohannes> i mean from the terminal, it wont let me "go further"
[09:58] <dumbuser> thanks
[09:58] <yohannes> by saying a resource is being used, so there is no way a trespass has occured
[09:58] <tga> yohannes: just use them one at a time and you're fine
[09:59] <tga> yohannes: afaik synaptic only reads the system status on startup, so it's a good idea not to install/delete stuff while it's running
[09:59] <yohannes> hmmm...
[10:00] <delltony> anyone running bittornado? and if so would you mind helping me get it working i can past you the error in flood or in a pm thanks
[10:00] <guru> if i say ubuntu is an operating system will i get flamed then subsequently banned from here as well?
[10:01] <Amaranth> nope :)
[10:01] <guru> ok, i'll stay then
[10:01] <Amaranth> just talked to by me, it looks like :)
[10:01] <guru> heh
[10:01] <kindrom> It's actually a block of cheese, I don't mind your blasphemy.
[10:02] <Amaranth> btw, if you want an ubuntu install like debian's minimal install you can boot the installer with "expert" iirc
[10:02] <guru> kindrom: i got banned from #debian for that reason
[10:02] <tga> guru: ubuntu is debian without the attitude :)
[10:02] <guru> tga: thank god.
[10:02] <Amaranth> that's what i just told him elsewhere :)
[10:02] <guru> debian is a good operating system...just wish it had a dedicated channel without all the efnet whores
[10:02] <tga> guru: so are you now trying to get banned from all the debian-based distro channels?
[10:02] <guru> Amaranth: i should have him banned on #gentoo too :))
[10:03] <guru> tga: quite the opposite...looking for a decent channel
[10:03] <tga> you were making too much noise in #debian anyway
[10:03] <guru> i'm tired of dealing with efnet morons...if i wanted attitude i'd connect to efnet, not freenode
[10:03] <tga> stick to the tech issues and you're fine
[10:03] <guru> tga: i carried it on a little more than i should and for that i deserved the +q, but that's not why he did it
[10:03] <guru> there's a long history, maybe i'll tell you sometime
[10:04] <kindrom> Ookay. gstreamer-mad and gstreamerx-plugins both have deps that refuse to be installed. Any ideas?
[10:04] <guru> anyway, what do i need to know about ubuntu that's different than debian?
[10:05] <tga> the cool chick in the gdm theme
[10:05] <GammaRay> which one?
[10:05] <tga> the blonde
[10:05] <delltony> ok i got it just needed python now for the final question of the night is this correct if i want to add ~/bin to path  i put export PATH:$PATH=~/bin;  in bach_profile ?
[10:05] <tga> doh, do you even have to ask?
[10:06] <Amaranth> guru: Ubuntu defaults to a full desktop install, to get an install like debian's minimal one i think you boot the installer with "expert"
[10:06] <guru> tga: besides the attitude from those on #debian ;)
[10:06] <guru> Amaranth: ahh i see
[10:06] <GammaRay> delltony: replace ~ with $HOME
[10:07] <guru> so in other words, ubuntu is more or less the desktop version of debian? (in laymen's terms)
[10:07] <delltony> ok
[10:07] <GammaRay> delltony: ~ does not work if it has a char before it
[10:07] <delltony> ok so export PATH:$PATH=$HOME/bin; ?
[10:07] <GammaRay> delltony: oh and it should look like this: export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
[10:08] <delltony> aww had it backwards wasn't sure on the :
[10:08] <delltony> thanks
[10:09] <delltony> any other place it needs to be added to get the paths working correctly?
[10:09] <tga> guru: yes
[10:09] <delltony> how about bashrc does it need to be int here?
[10:09] <GammaRay> you can also edit /etc/profile or add a file to /etc/profile.d/
[10:09] <guru> tga: thanks :)
[10:09] <guru> tga: what about apt? are they identical?
[10:09] <GammaRay> delltony: .bash_profile should do it
[10:09] <guru> if so, i just may switch to ubuntu...it would save me a ton of time
[10:09] <delltony> ok will give it a shot
[10:10] <tga> guru: the program yes, but ubuntu has a different set of sources
[10:10] <guru> tga: are the sources less stale than deb's?
[10:10] <tga> guru: they seem to be alright, Xorg and all
[10:10] <guru> nice
[10:11] <delltony> says command not found
[10:11] <tga> no problems so far
[10:11] <GammaRay> they are based on testing I think
[10:11] <guru> hell, i'll just give it a try and stop bugging you then ;)
[10:11] <GammaRay> delltony: what does?
[10:11] <delltony> there was one other place i had to change it but i forget where
[10:11] <tga> you can add debian sources too for stuff like mplayer
[10:11] <GammaRay> not that you would want mplayer :-P
[10:11] <delltony> i made a symbolic link in ~/bin to a program inside there more specific i made btdown for btdownloadgui.py
[10:11] <guru> hey now...i like mplayer...kinda
[10:11] <delltony> and i'm trying to call btdown to upload that
[10:12] <GammaRay> delltony: and alias would work also
[10:12] <delltony> well i did echo $PATH
[10:12] <delltony> and the path is not in there to bin
[10:12] <GammaRay> delltony: alias btdown=btdownloadgui.py
[10:12] <GammaRay> delltony: you need to relogin or source ~/.bash_profile
[10:13] <guru> how do i determine what nameserver i am using? i know it is in /etc/resolv.conf but i want to make sure it is the one getting used
[10:13] <delltony> well i closed the terminal
[10:13] <delltony> and opened it back up
[10:13] <delltony> that has worked in the past
[10:13] <GammaRay> guru: comment out the others?
[10:13] <guru> GammaRay: done that
[10:14] <delltony> still not working cause the path isn't listed
[10:15] <GammaRay> delltony: .bash_profile is only loaded when you login.. .bashrc is loaded for every terminal
[10:16] <monoxide> its killing itself as well...
[10:17] <monoxide> anyone know any other good media players? al though i think the problem is somewhere in my sound config
[10:17] <monoxide> although gaim isnt dying...
[10:20] <membreya> is ddcprobe supposed to give me any info? when I run it it says that no vesa bios extensions found
[10:22] <delltony> ok i see things have changed how do you add things to application how it use to be applications:///
[10:22] <GammaRay> isn't it still?
[10:23] <monoxide> n oin hoary
[10:23] <monoxide> not in
[10:23] <membreya> nope..truly annoying to
[10:23] <membreya> *too
[10:23] <monoxide> i was wondering that myself
[10:23] <Amaranth> read up on the freedesktop.org menu system
[10:23] <GammaRay> four slashes? :-D
[10:23] <delltony> its 4 slashes or you just jokin?
[10:23] <Amaranth> nope, editting text files :)
[10:24] <Amaranth> I just can't remember if it was .desktop files or if that was the old system.
[10:24] <GammaRay> joking , I hope
[10:24] <monoxide> .desktop is a link file last i checked
[10:24] <delltony> ok so how do you make launchers now?
[10:25] <delltony> i know you use to be able to right click on and go to entire menu and then add an option
[10:25] <delltony> but its not there either
[10:28] <delltony> anyone found a work around for this yet?
[10:28] <Amaranth> delltony: Let me check the wiki.
[10:29] <delltony> yeah i was looking all i see is warty
[10:29] <delltony> thanks
[10:29] <Amaranth> Otherwise try searching the ubuntu-users mailing list.
[10:29] <Amaranth> I think that's the one, anyway.
[10:29] <dilema-U> i got a fresh install of warty, i simply changed the reposes to read hoary instead. i reloaed but when i choose to install KDE, right after it shows me the packges(with synaptic) it crashes
[10:30] <dilema-U> anyone know how to fix this/
[10:32] <Aquila> hi
[10:32] <mvo> dilema-U: synaptic crashs after you get the summary window?
[10:32] <dilema-U> yup
[10:32] <dilema-U> hard to
[10:32] <dilema-U> launching from console doesn't show anything
[10:32] <Aquila> where can i find the drivers for my BT Voyager ADSL usb modem?
[10:32] <mvo> dilema-U: have you upgraded synaptic to the version in hoary too?
[10:33] <dilema-U> lol i can't
[10:33] <dilema-U> no matter what i choose to upgrade
[10:33] <dilema-U> directly after the summary it dies
[10:33] <mvo> dilema-U: please type: "sudo apt-get install synaptic" on a gnome-terminal to get a recent synaptic, that should fix the problem
[10:33] <kreiger> hm
[10:33] <dilema-U> using sudo apt-get install
[10:33] <dilema-U> lol
[10:33] <kreiger> what do i use to open .zip files in linux?
[10:33] <Amaranth> kreiger: unzip
[10:34] <dilema-U> kreiger, uh unzip
[10:34] <kreiger> do i need to aot-get it?
[10:34] <kreiger> apt
[10:34] <Ribs> file-roller should handle them if you want a gui
[10:34] <dilema-U> it's ood to have
[10:34] <dilema-U> good*
[10:34] <kreiger> hm
[10:34] <kreiger> danke
[10:34] <Ribs> but you probabily need unzip if you haven't got it already for file-roller to handle zip files
[10:34] <dilema-U> if he has file roller he has unzip no?
[10:34] <dilema-U> file roller uses unzip
[10:34] <dilema-U> i thought..
[10:34] <BuffaloSoldier> kreiger: the default file-roller works for me
[10:35] <Aquila> where can i find the drivers for my BT Voyager ADSL usb modem?
[10:35] <dilema-U> Aquila, good luck
[10:35] <Aquila> ? lol
[10:35] <Aquila> y?
[10:35] <GammaRay> delltony: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7822.html
[10:36] <dilema-U> Aquila, in my experience the more obscure modem model you have the harder to find, now add that to the fact it's USB and adsl
[10:36] <Aquila> :/
[10:36] <membreya> whats the easiest way to find the version of gnome that's running?
[10:36] <dilema-U> membreya, right click panel
[10:36] <dilema-U> about gnome
[10:36] <membreya> dher...thanks :)
[10:36] <dilema-U> lol
[10:37] <dilema-U> i looked for that yesterday
[10:37] <membreya> if gnome 2.9 has bugs in it ..why is hoary using it ?
[10:37] <dilema-U> i looked evrywhere
[10:37] <PoW> Sound server informational message:
[10:37] <PoW> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[10:37] <PoW> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[10:37] <PoW> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[10:37] <membreya> especially since one of the major bugs is that you can't edit the menus?
[10:37] <Ribs> membreya: Because hoary isn't stable yet
[10:37] <PoW> Has anyone gotten that before?
[10:37] <dilema-U> membreya, cause you're using hoary and not warty?
[10:37] <Ribs> membreya: Hoary is a development release, a 'work in progress', if you will
[10:37] <Ribs> if you want stable, you shouldn't be using Hoary yet.
[10:37] <membreya> but ....2.9 isn't even available from the main gnome site
[10:37] <Amaranth> Aquila: Most DSL modems can run on ethernet too. If you can do that it is the path of least resistence.
[10:37] <membreya> oh well bleeding edge means sometimes you get cut :P
[10:38] <membreya> is it possible to roll back to gnome 2.8?
[10:38] <dilema-U> lol
[10:38] <Amaranth> membreya: In GNOME odd numbered versions are considered "unstable". Once it becomes stable enough to release it will be called GNOME 2.10
[10:38] <dilema-U> not easily
[10:38] <Aquila> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/modems.php?modem=8
[10:38] <Aquila> i found this
[10:38] <membreya> damnit!
[10:38] <Aquila> but cannot find the download etc.
[10:38] <dilema-U> if you install gnome 2.9 and have major issues, odds ar eyoua re gonna ahve major issues trying to get back to 2.8
[10:38] <delltony> GammaRay, thanks i found a work around before looking at that let me see your method
[10:39] <membreya> oh well :) hope and pray ....not long to go :)
[10:39] <delltony> the things are stored in /usr/share/applications
[10:39] <membreya> something akin to "krusty is coming...krusty is coming"
[10:39] <dilema-U> <3 snapshots
[10:39] <dilema-U> easy to rollback
[10:39] <teratorn> I need to install vmware, which needs to compile a module against kernel headers for the running kernel. i.e. 2.6.8, yet there isn't a 2.6.8 kernel-headers package?
[10:39] <GammaRay> delltony: how hard is it to edit? have you found a version in $HOME?
[10:39] <delltony> oh i got that working
[10:39] <dilema-U> teratorn,
[10:40] <Aquila> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/modems.php?modem=8
[10:40] <Amaranth> membreya: <3 krusty camp
[10:40] <dilema-U> theres a patch-anywhere patch
[10:40] <delltony> i was on about the gnome menus
[10:40] <delltony> not allowing you to add launchers
[10:40] <membreya> Amaranth: hehehe :P
[10:40] <teratorn> dilema-U: ??
[10:40] <GammaRay> delltony: file fortmat: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s02.html
[10:40] <dilema-U> teratorn, theres a patch for that
[10:41] <GammaRay> delltony: menu format: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/
[10:41] <dilema-U> to fix that, dunno where to get it from. i havnt used it in awhile
[10:41] <dilema-U> google vmware anywhere patch
[10:42] <teratorn> dilema-U: do you know what the deal is w/ lacking -headers and -source packages?
[10:43] <dilema-U> well when vmware builds it's modules it need to build them against proper headers
[10:44] <PoW> How would I reinstall my sound drivers?
[10:44] <dilema-U> need to know what that driver is, what sound system you'll be using(oss or alsa)
[10:44] <dilema-U> and apt-get
[10:45] <PoW> hm
[10:45] <PoW> how would I find out for an audigy 2?
[10:45] <dilema-U> search apt for audigy douns drivers/
[10:45] <dilema-U> sound*
[10:45] <dilema-U> sorry in vmware and it's lagging due to package updating
[10:48] <teratorn> dilema-U: well I'm not having any lucking finding this vmware patch
[10:48] <dilema-U> ill look
[10:48] <teratorn> dilema-U: I guess I can d/l kernel source off kernel.org
[10:48] <teratorn> but :(
[10:51] <dilema-U> what kernel you using?
[10:51] <delltony> GammaRay, thanks for the info but after reading it i'm still confused i kinda understand how to add a directory to the menu but to actually add a file within that dir i'm confused
[10:51] <teratorn> 2.6.8
[10:52] <dilema-U> http://ftp.cvut.cz/people/vana/vmware/
[10:52] <dilema-U> at the bottom
[10:52] <dilema-U> dunno if thats the latest
[10:52] <dilema-U> so do some searching and check
[10:52] <dilema-U> make sure it's the latest
[10:53] <dilema-U> should fix your kernel header problems
[10:56] <teratorn> thanks
[10:59] <remi> hello
[10:59] <PoW> hmm
[11:06] <delltony> anyone here using hoary and had succcess in adding items to the applications menu?
[11:08] <PoW> cant find my drivers
[11:11] <Remux> inrecognized device string
[11:12] <photoguy41> im having the hardest time setting up grub to dual boot windows and linux. both of them are on sperate hard drives can someone who is experienced in this issue msg me?
[11:15] <mpq> I forgot how to modify sources.list
[11:16] <monoxide> with a text editor
[11:16] <monoxide> vi or gedit will do perfectly
[11:16] <mpq> I need to enable root
[11:16] <mpq> and I forgot where sources.list is
[11:16] <monoxide> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:16] <mpq> that's it
[11:16] <mpq> thanks
[11:17] <delltony> aww i see how this works, just took me a while to comprehend it
[11:17] <delltony> just make a desktop file and bam it works :)
[11:19] <socketbind> howdy, how do I make udev to not kill my joystick device files?
[11:20] <mpq> anyone have knowledge of im-ja?
[11:20] <socketbind> well apart from that, gamepad doesn't want to work when i load the correct modules and make the device files
[11:20] <socketbind> MAKEDEV js and modprobing joydev, ns558 and analog
[11:21] <socketbind> in the bios i enabled the gameport
[11:22] <Neill_> ls
[11:22] <Neill_> meh
[11:24] <delltony> sweet made my first launcher without a gui haha :) man i'm so proud
[11:25] <BuffaloSoldier> delltony: :)
[11:25] <delltony> jsut he wording of that doc was confusing me but it was right there infront of me
[11:27] <delltony> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/menuediting.html that there explains how to add the menus in hoary as did the others but i actually understood this method
[11:27] <mpq> does anyone use im-ja?
[11:28] <yohannes> hi guys
[11:28] <BuffaloSoldier> hello yohannes
[11:29] <mpq> I can't figure out how to compile
[11:29] <yohannes> i have a q, i use a nautilus built in cd write function to burn an .iso image. after it's complete, instead of getting bunch of files on the cd, i got the same iso file
[11:29] <mpq> make didn't work
[11:29] <yohannes> what did i do wrong?
[11:30] <yohannes> i read the gnome manual but i still dont get it
[11:30] <yohannes> i usually experiment but i only have 1 blank cd left
[11:30] <jdub> yohannes: you dragged the iso to the file window instead of right clicking the iso file and choosing "write image"
[11:30] <yohannes> lol
[11:30] <monoxide> you wrote the file to the cd, not the contents of the file :P
[11:31] <yohannes> jdub > i actually put the iso image into the nautilus instead of right clicking on it and that's what i got
[11:32] <yohannes> monoxide > can u elaborate
[11:32] <yohannes> yes i have only one file which is in iso format
[11:32] <monoxide> an iso file is an archive
[11:32] <monoxide> so instead of burning the files contained in the archive, you burnt the archive itself to the cd
[11:33] <yohannes> so how can i burn an iso image to a cd which at the end is "decompressed"?
 yohannes: you dragged the iso to the file window instead of right clicking the iso file and choosing "write image"
[11:33] <yohannes> monoxide > that is what i did and i got the same iso image on the cd
[11:33] <Sionide> whee
[11:33] <Sionide> anyone know where to find some cool ubuntu wallpapers?
[11:33] <monoxide> no idea
[11:33] <yohannes> sionide > gnome-look.org
[11:33] <monoxide> i dont use linux to burn cds
[11:34] <yohannes> anyway, thanks i am gonna try again
[11:34] <yohannes> hope it works this time otherwise i have to wait until tomorrow
[11:34] <Sionide> thanks yohannes
[11:34] <yohannes> sionide > also try art.gnome.org there might be some over here
[11:34] <jdub> yohannes: read the bit after instead of again
[11:35] <Sionide> wicked, thanks
[11:35] <Sionide> i see some
[11:35] <Sionide> yay
[11:35] <Sionide> i think the default is nice, but kinda boring...
[11:35] <yohannes> alright thanks guys. gonna try it
[11:35] <yohannes> gn
[11:36] <Sionide> night
[11:40] <delltony> anyone using hoary mind posting their sources.list to a paste sight so i can take a look at it please?
[11:43] <Sionide> tomato source?
[11:43] <swelly> mmm ketchup
[11:43] <Sionide> :P
[11:44] <Sionide> free opensource ketchup, no less
[11:44] <swelly> ofcourse
[11:44] <spike> hi there
[11:44] <swelly> Hi
[11:44] <PoW> Im having troubles with alsa. When I select it in my sound settings, I get this error: device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[11:44] <spike> I've installed ubuntu on asus LD200 laptop, it's a SiS thing
[11:44] <Sionide> shit gotta gets to school
[11:44] <Sionide> bye all
[11:45] <PoW> Has anyone seen this?
[11:45] <spike> I've sis_agp loaded, but glxinfo says direct rendering: no
[11:45] <kroon> How do I list installed packages that arent availiable in a reposiroty?
[11:46] <photoguy41> how do i make my root hd(1,0) insted of (0,0)
[11:48] <monoxide> its in /boot/grub/something i think...
[11:48] <monoxide> dont ask me tho, i wouldnt really know
[11:49] <photoguy41> ok heres the thing, whenever i have linux as my slave drive, i always get the error that it cant find the kernel
[11:49] <photoguy41> but it because its looking at hd (0,0) wich is my master(XP)
[11:50] <photoguy41> so in menu.lst in the /grub dir, would i change the root to = (1,0)?
[11:51] <monoxide> i think so, but i couldnt be sure
[11:52] <photoguy41> does anyone else here have dual booting on 2 harddrives?
[11:55] <IsSuE^> hias
[11:56] <IsSuE^> anyone can helb meh
[11:56] <IsSuE^> i wanted to boot ubuntu 4.10
[11:56] <IsSuE^> but it says audit ( some digits ) : initialized and gets stuck there
[11:57] <kindrom> Is there a reason that the debian package(s) of KDE remove vim?
[11:57] <kindrom> Grrm.
[11:59] <abdulla> does anyone know how to override a mimetype associated with an extension?
[11:59] <abdulla> in gnomevfs i mean
[12:04] <monoxide> kindrom, i have the kde stuff and VIM
[12:04] <kindrom> Weird.
[12:04] <kindrom> I just installed the packages and now /usr/bin/vim is missing.
[12:04] <monoxide> well i have the kde data packages anyway
[12:04] <monoxide> i dont think i have kde itself
[12:04] <kindrom> Synaptic won't let me reinstall vim
[12:05] <monoxide> why not?
[12:05] <monoxide> whats it conflict with?
[12:05] <silverbirch> hi ubuntu people
[12:05] <kindrom> "Reinstall" isn't an option at all. Removal requires the removal of ubuntu itself.
[12:06] <silverbirch> this might be a silly question - but is there a hardware compatible list on ubuntu site - I couldn't see it
[12:06] <monoxide> kindrom, maybe its already installed? if it has a remove option...
[12:06] <kindrom> kde also installed "kvim", which I can't remove unless I remove kde as well.
[12:06] <kindrom> vim is installed and has an upgrade available.
[12:06] <monoxide> silverbirch, just about anything if you spend enough time getting it right
[12:06] <kindrom> As I said, /usr/bin/vim is missing.
[12:07] <monoxide> why not use kvim?
[12:07] <Nermal> ellooo :)
[12:07] <monoxide> or gvim (i think its called?)
[12:07] <PoW> How do I get also to detect my audigy 2 sound card?
[12:07] <PoW> asla*
[12:07] <kindrom> Because it's not command-line... or is it?
[12:07] <monoxide> can someone help me out here? theres something wrong with the config for my sound card...
[12:07] <Nermal> anyone use gaim and know an easy way to install smiley themes ?
[12:07] <silverbirch> monoxide - I am new to linux - did try it two years ago but went back to windows because of difficulties
[12:07] <monoxide> no neither of them are
[12:07] <kindrom> Ew.
[12:07] <Nermal> other than to manually download the theme tarballs
[12:08] <kindrom> Not letting me use CLI vim is just stupid.
[12:08] <Nermal> silverbirch, I imagine there would be more difficulties in windows
[12:08] <Nermal> :)
[12:08] <monoxide> heh Nermal
[12:09] <silverbirch> currrently have new install of mandrake 10.1 which doesn't recognise my camera or scanner or mouse.  Ubuntu recognises mouse and works in 'live' CD
[12:09] <Riddell> kindrom: are you using ubunu packages or debian?
[12:09] <silverbirch> nermal - all things - camera, scanner, mouse *perfect* in windows! Unfortunately - makes the tranistion difficult
[12:10] <kindrom> Riddell: Whatever Synaptic installed.
[12:10] <kindrom> Ubuntu, I'd imagine.
[12:10] <Nermal> hmm.. odd
[12:11] <Nermal> all my stuff works fine here.  I didn't have to look for a driver disk
[12:11] <Nermal> odd that your mouse didn't work
[12:11] <silverbirch> nermal 'odd' about my hardware?
[12:11] <Nermal> what camera is it ?
[12:11] <silverbirch> all usb connection
[12:12] <silverbirch> I guess I should have said USB mouse, optical, wireless, A4teck
[12:12] <silverbirch> Sony DSC-W1
[12:12] <monoxide> silverbirch, i have a optical wireless mouse and it works fine
[12:12] <kindrom> Screw this, I'm upgrading vim even if it insist on removing kde, kdeaddons, kvim and vimpart.
[12:13] <silverbirch> but anyway since the mouse worked brilliantly in ubuntu live I guess it would the same in install
[12:13] <silverbirch> this is some new batteryless thing mono
[12:13] <Nermal> is there a way to get dpkg to be more verbose ?
[12:13] <Riddell> kindrom: are you using hoary or warty?
[12:13] <monoxide> yea, mine doesnt have batteries either
[12:14] <kindrom> warty.
[12:14] <monoxide> its a Genius
[12:14] <kindrom> At least, I installed from a warty boot disc.
[12:14] <silverbirch> when I was thinking about trying linux again I looked around and mandrake 10.1 and ubuntu were the ones took my eye
[12:14] <silverbirch> I guess mandrake partly because of parttioning
[12:15] <silverbirch> actually that was a big factor - I didn't feel comfortable partitionaing hard disk
[12:15] <Riddell> kindrom: right, I see the problem, kvim depends on a specific version of vim which has been upgraded.  not sure if there's anything we can do but I'll look into it
[12:15] <Nermal> eep
[12:16] <kindrom> Riddell: I don't care about the version of vim, just that it's ~recent and actually there.
[12:16] <kindrom> i.e., not deleted.
[12:17] <silverbirch> has anyone here done boot with two ther OS eg winXp and Mandrake with ubuntu as the third?
[12:17] <Riddell> kindrom: just remove kvim, it's broken (because it depends on a specific version of vim which isn't available because the ubuntu people have upgraded it)
[12:17] <kindrom> Removal of kvim requires removal of kde.
[12:18] <Riddell> kindrom: kde is just a meta package to being in all the other kde packages, it won't remove any other package to have "kde" removed
[12:18] <kindrom> Okay.
[12:18] <Riddell> kindrom: won't make any difference I'm afraid
[12:19] <kindrom> Thanks.
[12:20] <silverbirch> is there a hardware list on ubuntu?
[12:20] <kindrom> Oh! Actually, it did work. It left vim alone.
[12:20] <silverbirch> sorry to ask again
[12:21] <Nermal> silverbirch, no
[12:21] <Nermal> as there is a seemingly infinate load of hardware
[12:21] <Nermal> very few devices won't work :P
[12:24] <silverbirch> Mandrake 10.1 mde the same claim - so I am feeling somewhat *sniffed*
[12:24] <silverbirch> I am pretty keen to try
[12:25] <silverbirch> and have some space on windows or linux partition
[12:25] <silverbirch> how safe is the partition thingy - if I direct it to the window spare space
[12:25] <Riddell> kindrom: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3599  comment 2 will solve it
[12:25] <Riddell> kindrom: you need to add universe security updates
[12:26] <silverbirch> actaully that would be *miffed* :-)
[12:28] <username> I'm going to try an install of ubuntu to see what it's like. Given a hard drive that's got ample room to spare, what would be a sensible size for a partition for root, assuming /home is somewhere else and already exists?
[12:28] <monoxide> night all
[12:28] <silverbirch> night mon
[12:29] <larsrohdin> does anyone know any good NES emulators?
[12:29] <pybe> username: the full install takes about 1.5 gb
[12:30] <username> pybe: aha - thanks. So 5GB should be plenty.
[12:30] <pybe> username: so it depends what else you want to install
[12:30] <silverbirch> pybe - do you know whether it will sit nicely with windows and mandrake as triple boot
[12:31] <larsrohdin> does anyone know any good NES emulators?
[12:31] <pybe> silverbirch: not tried it with another linux install but its fine with windows
[12:31] <silverbirch> I guess my huge concern is the bootloader - lilo on mandrake
[12:31] <pybe> larsrohdin: open synaptic an use the search button
[12:31] <pybe> silverbirch: if you pick your fav then tell it to boot the other o
[12:31] <username> I've got gentoo in a 15GB partition and it's using 9.3GB but with ubuntu I'll more than likely not load it up with quite so much nonsense.
[12:31] <silverbirch> pybe - most hardware okay?
[12:32] <silverbirch> I got 'live' CD to try but it's slow and get fed up with waiting
[12:32] <pybe> silverbirch: picked up everything on my dell latitude c400, ibm T42, hp vectra
[12:32] <silverbirch> I understand why it's slow -just thought maybe trying the install be better
[12:32] <pybe> got to go back in 5
[12:32] <silverbirch> k
[12:33] <username> oh, one more question - when installing, does ubuntu accommodate the possibility of a spare empty ext3 partition already there ready to install into?
[12:34] <username> I've got one spare and it'll save time if it lets me go ahead and plonk it all on there without messing around with partitioning again
[12:35] <username> does ubuntu recommend any particular filesystem type by default?
[12:36] <Amaranth> I think they use ext3 for / and reiserfs3 for /home by default. It's been awhile and I customized mine to use all ext3 and have a /boot partition.
[12:36] <username> Amaranth: aha - that's pretty much how I do it myself, too. Thanks
[12:36] <username> root as ext3 and home as reiser, that is
[12:37] <username> although the last gentoo install on this machine was all reiser
[12:37] <Amaranth> I'd like to use reiser4 if hoary supports it
[12:38] <Amaranth> I don't think I'd use anything other than ext3 for /boot and / but /home would be fine because most of the stuff I have on various servers online or is just ripped CDs.
[12:38] <kindrom> Ubuntu defaulted to ext3 for me, but this was with warty.
[12:39] <Amaranth> It's supposed to be a lot faster and all that.
[12:39] <kindrom> My gentoo box has been reiserfs for ages
[12:40] <kindrom>  /, anyway
[12:40] <tuppa> anyone having issues with mounting usb storage devices on hoary amd64?
[12:40] <silverbirch> anyone here who has ubuntu as a second install after another linux distro
[12:40] <tuppa> hotplug/kernel doesn't seem to even load usb-storage at all
[12:40] <tuppa> silverbirch: used to
[12:41] <silverbirch> tuppa - I have heard good things about ubuntu but am a real novice with linux so got madrake to dothe partitioning for me - now aaant to try ubuntu
[12:42] <silverbirch> how safe is it to install - will lilo just ad it after win and mandrake?
[12:42] <silverbirch> sorry my typing ....
[12:43] <tuppa> ubuntu uses grub by default
[12:43] <silverbirch> ohhh ..
[12:43] <tuppa> and IIRC it overwrites any existing bootloader with grub
[12:43] <silverbirch> IIRC ?
[12:43] <tuppa> that includes existing grub
[12:43] <tuppa> If I Recall Correctly
[12:43] <tuppa> so I can be wrong
[12:44] <PoW> How do I get to the ubuntu login screen from the terminal. Since my ubuntu installation boots up to the terminal for some reason...
[12:44] <silverbirch> I thin winXP has restore capabilities
[12:44] <tuppa> by reinstalling XP? :)
[12:45] <silverbirch> I suppose at the end of the day if I lose my windows won't be catastrophe
[12:45] <tuppa> hell every OS out there overwrites your existing bootloader anyway
[12:45] <silverbirch> have photos backed up
[12:45] <tuppa> even solaris 10
[12:45] <tuppa> you can always mount your ntfs partitions in ubuntu anyway :)
[12:45] <silverbirch> I'm green as far as linux and cli goes
[12:46] <Somon> hi
[12:46] <membreya> can anyone answer this.. I have an old windows FAT 32 drive mounted in /media/windows...and it's all good, except I can't write to my Music Videos folder....under gnome it shows a padlock on the folder.
[12:46] <silverbirch> hello somon
[12:47] <membreya> every other folder has ownership of drwxrwxrwx, whilst Music Videos has dr-xr-xr-x
[12:48] <Somon> hello silverbich
[12:48] <membreya> and it won't let me change ownership through chown :(
[12:48] <scizzo> membreya: that is correct
[12:48] <membreya> scizzo: why not ? :(
[12:48] <scizzo> membreya: you need to set the permissions with umask
[12:48] <Somon> where are u from?
[12:48] <PoW> How come my ubuntu boots up to terminal...
[12:49] <PoW> and not the ubuntu desktop
[12:49] <scizzo> membreya: /dev/hda1       /windows        vfat    umask=000       0       0
[12:49] <scizzo> membreya: that is how I do it on my laptop
[12:49] <membreya> my fstab says /dev/sda5 	/media/windows    vfat    umask=000       0       0
[12:49] <membreya> it's the only folder I can muck around with
[12:49] <membreya> *cant
[12:50] <silverbirch> I seem to reacall reading that ubuntu doesn't partition - will it take up unused space on either a windows or linux partition, or just linux?
[12:50] <scizzo> ls -ld /media/windows
[12:50] <scizzo> silverbirch: ?
[12:50] <scizzo> PoW: you have a problem with gdm or something?
[12:50] <membreya> scizzo: that gives:
[12:50] <membreya> drwxrwxrwx  11 root root 8192 2005-02-21 20:21 /media/windows
[12:51] <PoW> yeah
[12:51] <PoW> I went for a reboot
[12:51] <PoW> and it came back to the terminal login
[12:51] <PoW> rather then the ubuntu login screen
[12:51] <silverbirch> scizzo
[12:51] <membreya> what video card PoW ?
[12:51] <PoW> nvidia
[12:51] <membreya> is your xorg.conf set to use nvidia?
[12:51] <PoW> it was working fine..
[12:51] <membreya> or nv?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: you would need to resize your win partition to make space for ubuntu
[12:51] <PoW> yeah
[12:51] <silverbirch> the reason I bought mandrake was that I read ubuntu doesn't have own partition tool
[12:51] <PoW> i've rebooted before
[12:52] <PoW> this time it just came to the terminal
[12:52] <membreya> what does dmesg tell you ?
[12:52] <scizzo> membreya: hmmm....
[12:52] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: it has a partition tool - but not a resize tool
[12:52] <membreya> scizzo: it's the ONLY folder on that entire partition that has a padlock >:(
[12:52] <Amaranth> hoary will be able to do NTFS resize
[12:52] <scizzo> membreya: what exactly do you want to do with the windows folder?
[12:52] <PoW> (membreya): How would I get xorg to start back up
[12:52] <Amaranth> warty can resize FAT32, ext3, etc can't it?
[12:52] <PoW> from terminal
[12:52] <silverbirch> thoreauputic won't it sit in linux fre space
[12:52] <PoW> then to start up kde
[12:52] <sleeper> i need some help please
[12:53] <scizzo> membreya: have you told it to be shared with a password or something?
[12:53] <tuppa> Amaranth: even ntfs
[12:53] <membreya> I want to place (write) the music video
[12:53] <sleeper> some one can give me a link to download winex 2.1?
[12:53] <scizzo> membreya: might have done something in Windows that looks the folder?
[12:53] <membreya> scizzo: .......samba :D
[12:53] <Amaranth> tuppa: NTFS resize was a planned feature for hoary, I don't think warty does it
[12:53] <membreya> but other shares that I have don't have the padlock
[12:53] <scizzo> membreya: well look in the samba config then...see if it is writeable in there
[12:54] <sleeper> i need  a link to download winex 2.1 please
[12:54] <sleeper> can u help me?
[12:54] <scizzo> sleeper: buy it then
[12:54] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: if you have free space or a linux partition, it wil use that - but it needs to be explicitly there: it won't use spare space on a win partition for instance
[12:54] <scizzo> sleeper: winex is not downloadable like that....you have to register on their site and pay for it
[12:54] <sleeper> is not free?
[12:54] <sleeper> ok
[12:54] <scizzo> sleeper: its not like wine no
[12:55] <Nermal> sleeper, "you"
[12:55] <sleeper> ok thx
[12:55] <membreya> you're a genious scizzo ..it was the only share that had writable as no...any reason why it would lock it locally tho :(
[12:55] <silverbirch> thor - when I installed mandrake I tried to do it so I had space for ubunut
[12:55] <PoW> How do I start up KDE from terminal?
[12:55] <membreya> PoW:  type sudo gdm
[12:55] <sleeper> wine dont run warcraft 3
[12:55] <PoW> ok
[12:55] <PoW> thanks
[12:55] <hendry> how do i configure ubuntu's sendmail with my isp's smto address?
[12:55] <bascule> thenpick KDE from gdm session menu down the bottom
[12:56] <bascule> too late :)
[12:56] <scizzo> sleeper: well its a thing that transgaming is coding
[12:56] <scizzo> sleeper: checkout their site and you will see what I mean
[12:56] <silverbirch> when I look now I see / 4 Gb  /home 11gb   /mnt  316 ?  /windows  7.2Gb
[12:56] <silverbirch> 40Gb HDD
[12:56] <scizzo> sleeper: you can download it...but you need to register and pay for it
[12:57] <scizzo> membreya: I have no idea
[12:57] <arthurgeek> i installed hoary kde, but in my kde menu, the applications option have nothing. no one app here...
[12:57] <scizzo> membreya: try to change the samba config...restart Samba....remount the device
[12:57] <snowblink> hendry: sudo postconf -e relayhost=yourispsmtpserver
[12:57] <arthurgeek> i tried: "rm -rf ~/.kde", loaded kde again, and nothing...
[12:57] <silverbirch> I thought I allocated just under 8Gb to windows - which seems right,: and the rest to linux.  But there is space missing
[12:57] <scoon> anyone here know of any good tutorials on gnome menu editing
[12:58] <scoon> there was one posted in the forums but it does not work
[12:58] <snowblink> hendry: then sudo /etc/init.d/postfix restart
[12:58] <Riddell> arthurgeek: it's been changed in the last day or so try apt-get update && apt-get install kdelibs-data
[12:58] <arthurgeek> Riddell, ok, i'll try... thx
[12:58] <membreya> hmmm says device is busy on umount scizzo ....tried samba restart..will tried the tested windows method of rebooting
[12:59] <scizzo> silverbirch: look at the partition table and see that everything is correct
[12:59] <silverbirch> would the mandrake install use only wwhat it needed, and the rest I could use for ubuntu?
[12:59] <Aquila> where can i find the drivers for my BT Voyager ADSL usb modem?
[12:59] <scizzo> silverbirch: did you look if the swap is using the other space?
[12:59] <scizzo> silverbirch: tmpfs?
[12:59] <scizzo> and so on
[12:59] <scizzo> silverbirch: more /etc/fstab
[01:00] <scizzo> silverbirch: df -h
[01:00] <silverbirch> okay scizzo - I did that the other day and now cannot remember how I did it
[01:00] <arthurgeek> Riddell, now, i have to delete ~/.kde again, or no?
[01:00] <Riddell> arthurgeek: no
[01:01] <arthurgeek> ok. i'll restart here...
[01:01] <membreya> scizzo: ...nope still the same after the reboot
[01:01] <scizzo> you did change it to yes in the writeable thingys?
[01:02] <membreya> chown says it's 555
[01:02] <membreya> and won't let me change it as im not the "owner" even if I sudo it
[01:03] <scizzo> membreya: don't try to much with chmod and chown
[01:03] <membreya> [Music Videos] 
[01:03] <membreya> path = /media/windows/Music Videos
[01:03] <membreya> available = yes
[01:03] <membreya> browseable = yes
[01:03] <membreya> public = yes
[01:03] <membreya> writable = yes
[01:03] <membreya> will see if my gf's computer can write to it remotely
[01:03] <scizzo> that seem to be wrong
[01:04] <scizzo> the space in the name...?
[01:04] <scizzo> or is it
[01:04] <scizzo> hmmm
[01:04] <silverbirch> rosemary@localhost rosemary] $ more /etc/fstab
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,r
[01:04] <silverbirch> o,exec,users 0 0
[01:04] <silverbirch> none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso88
[01:04] <silverbirch> 59-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0
[01:04] <silverbirch> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
[01:05] <silverbirch> none /proc proc defaults 0 0
[01:05] <silverbirch> /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0
[01:05] <silverbirch> /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0
[01:05] <silverbirch> [rosemary@localhost rosemary] $
[01:05] <Nermal> ew
[01:05] <thoreauputic> silverbirch:  #flood
[01:05] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: bad netiquette
[01:06] <membreya> gah ...now her pc won't connect to my samba fs even tho she can ping me ...GAH it's another one of those "don't mess with things" nights
[01:06] <bascule>  ntfs umask=0 <-- dodgy
[01:06] <silverbirch> I can't see what swap is using - but then I am not familiar withthis stuff
[01:06] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: please don't do that again
[01:06] <bascule> free -m
[01:06] <membreya> yet I can samba to her computer >:(
[01:06] <Nermal> silverbirch, swapon -s
[01:07] <membreya> had this problem the other day but I just restarted samba
[01:07] <silverbirch> df -h gave me hda1 at 11 Gb which is more than I remember trying to give it
[01:07] <Nermal> hda1 is windows if you have doze installed
[01:07] <membreya> Nermal: unless you're running SCSI  / SATA :P
[01:08] <krism> Nermal : unless it isn't
[01:08] <silverbirch> df -h gave me hda1 19G - somewhat more than I thought I had allocated
[01:08] <Nermal> smartasses :P
[01:08] <membreya> hehehe
[01:08] <krism> Nermal : that's like saying "D: is always the CD ROM drive"
[01:08] <krism> (i had a teacher tell me that once.. sheesh)
[01:08] <silverbirch> doesn't chat work while a konsole open?
[01:08] <Nermal> krism, if you have windows installed on HDA then it has to go as hda1 no ?
[01:09] <Nermal> else it won't boot
[01:09] <membreya> Nermal: depends on how the MBR is established :)
[01:09] <bascule> Nermal: only true for win9x family
[01:09] <Nermal> ah :)
[01:09] <krism> Nermal : grub can handle it
[01:09] <Nermal> I haven't used dual boot for so long :)
[01:09] <Nermal> krism, I stopped dual booting in lilo days :)
[01:09] <da_bon_bon> anyone got kqemu running on hoary ?
[01:09] <krism> Nermal : hmm, and you're still spreading mis-truths about it?
[01:10] <Nermal> krism, oh fuck off
[01:10] <Nermal> go nitpick something else
[01:10] <bascule> silverbirch: chat with a konsole .., what do you mean
[01:10] <membreya> Nermal: ...settle petal ;)
[01:10] <silverbirch> sory, sorry, sorry - my dialogue wasn't scrolling  so did not realise you were getting my messages
[01:10] <Nermal> I'm not feeling particularly well today and the last thing I need is some berk trying to start a petty argumebnt
[01:10] <cl1ck> how can i force-load a module at boot?
[01:10] <Nermal> I was wrong, you were right, you get the gold star
[01:11] <membreya> Nermal: simply contributing to the "open source" community with experience and comments...not flaming you ..well I wasn't
[01:11] <Nermal> I know you weren't
[01:11] <krism> .ignore add *!*@*.uk
[01:12] <bascule> cl1ck: try thius filthy hack boot:<whtever> init=/sbin/modprobe <foo>:/bin/bash
[01:12] <Nermal> krism, cretin :P
[01:12] <krism> dammnit
[01:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: when I was at achool I preferred the elephant stamps the teacher used to put on good work... ;)
[01:12] <silverbirch> anyway - so I have free space in windows - will ubuntu installer do that, or do I need to make some space first?
[01:12] <scizzo> membreya: what happens if you try to use: path = /media/windows/Music\ Videos ?
[01:12] <membreya> thoreauputic: wouldn't that leave a heck of a foot print on your slate?
[01:12] <scizzo> or "/media/windows/Music Videos"
[01:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: implications of elephant stamps are left as an exercise for the reader...
[01:12] <membreya> scizzo: there's no problems in sharing it, only in writing to it due to the ownerships
[01:12] <scizzo> membreya: try it please
[01:13] <cl1ck> bascule, i'll give it a try...thanks
[01:13] <bascule> no garauntees at all
[01:13] <silverbirch> I suppose everyone has heard ofthe blind man and the elephant ...
[01:13] <Nermal> silverbirch, #cliche :P
[01:14] <Nermal> :)
[01:14] <silverbirch> ;-)
[01:14] <Nermal> hmm.. bug in the plucker post-install script
[01:14] <silverbirch> sorry to be boring
[01:14] <PoW> hmm
[01:15] <PoW> I still cant get to the login screen
[01:15] <silverbirch> there ddoesn't seem to be much about installation on the website - why I am here - maybe looking in the wrong place
[01:15] <membreya> hmmmm in sudo testparm it says that my role is set to ROLE_STANDALONE...is that supposed to be ?
[01:16] <PoW> What command to I run from terminal to get to the login screen?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> PoW: try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:17] <PoW> ok
[01:18] <da_bon_bon> from where do i download qemu in order to use kqemu ?
[01:18] <silverbirch> PoW - is this your first time with ubuntu - I am thinking of trying it - but worried about lack of documetation
[01:19] <da_bon_bon> silverbirch: ubuntu it great - do for it.
[01:19] <bascule> he's gone, what documentation do you need to see?
[01:19] <silverbirch> hardware compatibilities
[01:19] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: apt-cache policy says it's in the universe repository
[01:19] <bascule> any particular device that you are worried about?
[01:19] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: thnx.
[01:19] <silverbirch> I am a very new linux user
[01:19] <thoreauputic> qemu I mean
[01:20] <bascule> silverbirch: OK, have you experienced hardware problems already
[01:20] <hendry> snowblink: thanks btw
[01:20] <Amaranth> silverbirch: Didn't you say you had Mandrake?
[01:20] <silverbirch> bascule - yes -using mandrake 10.1 for two weeks - Sony DSC-W1 not supported, and Canon 3000F not supported.
[01:21] <silverbirch> And now a new mouse - A4 NB-30 optical usb
[01:21] <silverbirch> amaranth - yes I do
[01:21] <bascule> those are relatively easy, it is a case of making a manual entry in fstab
[01:22] <bascule> most 6monthers could do it .. :)
[01:22] <Amaranth> Oh, those are cameras?
[01:22] <da_bon_bon> silverbirch: mandrake lineage sucks majorly!
[01:22] <bascule> yeah
[01:22] <silverbirch> got it for the partition function, as had only windows
[01:22] <robodex> are there any howtos on how to use kqemu with ubuntu? I tried compiling qemu with kqemu support and had many problems
[01:22] <Amaranth> I bet Ubuntu will automount them thanks to gnome-volume-manager.
[01:22] <Amaranth> I doubt silverbirch was using GNOME with Mandrake.
[01:22] <robodex> qemu compiled fine, but not with kqemu support
[01:22] <bascule> and hald may well just see them too
[01:22] <Amaranth> Doesn't g-v-m use hald?
[01:23] <silverbirch> Sony a camera and canon scanner
[01:23] <bascule> maybe one and the same, I dunno =)
[01:23] <Nermal> Amadablam, aye.. think so
[01:23] <Nermal> oops
[01:23] <Nermal> Amaranth,
[01:23] <Amaranth> I know they aren't the same thing.
[01:23] <Amaranth> Ouch, a scanner.
[01:23] <silverbirch> bascule - that is what I was led tobelieve - that it is posibble to use them - but I am new to linux
[01:24] <bascule> USB scanner, I will stick my neck out and say if mandrke control center couldn't do it, problems ... :(
[01:24] <Amaranth> I've never used a scanner with any Linux distro so I dunno. There is a scanning app that generally has good luck with them, I've heard.
[01:24] <silverbirch> I still have windows so can use those items in windows and saave to disc
[01:25] <bascule> yeah, it is nice to get all your hardware working though
[01:25] <silverbirch> but - I would like at some stage to make as much of a transssition that I can
[01:25] <thor|coffee> canon scanners are often a problem: Canon won't release specs
[01:25] <bascule> cameras a really rather easy, as are keydrives, one and the same as far as linux is concerned
[01:25] <robodex> egh... I have a question: when removing some things I don't need (for example, gnome2-user-docs,) it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop. is this safe? :\
[01:25] <bascule> thor|coffee: hmmmm, there is always a few ... :(
[01:26] <PoW> nope /etc/init.d/gdm start didnt work
[01:26] <PoW> =\
[01:26] <silverbirch> I've looked at some places I found from 'google' and camera is able to be used
[01:26] <bascule> yeah, it really will be a drive to linux
[01:26] <silverbirch> main issue at present the 'mouse'
[01:26] <Nermal> how ?!
[01:26] <bascule> USB optical with 65 buttons? :P
[01:27] <Nermal> why do you need siuch a fancy ass mouse ?
[01:27] <silverbirch> which worked beautifully in ubuntu 'CD' - so assume will work the same in 'install'
[01:27] <Nermal> should do
[01:27] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone know why kqemu is not available for download ?
[01:28] <silverbirch> nah - I don't need a fancy ass mouse - had a trackball which was a pain in the a@$
[01:28] <thoreauputic> PoW: did it spit out errors? If so, what?
[01:28] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, you know the answer to this one...
[01:28] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: no, i dont.
[01:28] <PoW> (thoreauputic): Nope no errors
[01:28] <silverbirch> had a neck/shoulder injury which is why I try different mice
[01:28] <PoW> It just didnt do anything
[01:28] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, here's a wild guess
[01:28] <Nermal> a) no one has made a package for it yet
[01:28] <thoreauputic> PoW: nothing happened at all?
[01:28] <Nermal> b) it's version 0.1b
[01:28] <PoW> nope
[01:29] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: i dont want the /package/. i want the tarball
[01:29] <Nermal> so download it
[01:29] <thoreauputic> PoW: this is from a tty ? (no X running) ?
[01:29] <Nermal> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=111306
[01:29] <PoW> terminal
[01:29] <silverbirch> I'm ken to try ubuntu but scared of losing my phots etc - though they are all backed up
[01:30] <bascule> why would you loose them?
[01:30] <silverbirch> grub would add ubunut to existing win and mandrake
[01:30] <thoreauputic> PoW: did you try just doing ctrl-alt-F7 ?
[01:30] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: thanks, man
[01:30] <PoW> nope
[01:30] <PoW> what does that do?
[01:30] <robodex> sorry to ask again, but I'm in synaptic right now waiting to see if I can remove this: I'm trying to remove something but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop; is this safe?
[01:30] <silverbirch> bascule-the orignal stuff Iread about ubuntu said the installer was lacking in terms of partitioning
[01:30] <thoreauputic> PoW: I'm assuming you mean a tty when you say console - ie a black full screenterminal
[01:31] <PoW> yeah
[01:31] <PoW> thats it
[01:31] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: its just fucking 4kb ??
[01:31] <silverbirch> why I bough mandrake
[01:31] <bascule> silverbirch: it may, I have never trusted a linux installer to auto add another distro, it will add windows, but mandrake may dissappear, partitions can get a bit scary too
[01:31] <Nermal> please tell me you didn't wget that url
[01:31] <Dr3w> Hello!
[01:31] <Dr3w> Is there a dedicated Ubuntu PowerPC channel?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> PoW: if X is already running, ctrl-alt-F7 will bring it up: the other command to try is `startx`
[01:32] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: i want the qemu accelerator module, not a gui!!!
[01:32] <bascule> so long as you know where you want it to go in terms of /dev/hd? designators, you will get through
[01:32] <PoW> ok
[01:32] <PoW> i will try
[01:32] <silverbirch> bascule - I just hate to be without my computer if anything goes wrong
[01:32] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, words fail me
[01:32] <silverbirch> I am new to this stuff
[01:32] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: then dont use them. :P
[01:33] <thoreauputic> PoW: it's hard to believe that sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start didn't return any errors...
[01:33] <bascule> windows will stay for sure, I think there is a good chance it will want to stick it's self on the mandrake partition, so watch for that
[01:33] <Nermal> you say "I want a package called this" I say, "get that package here", you say "I don't want it!! <wah wah>"
[01:33] <bascule> If you have know free space on the drive, the installer will hose mandrake for sure
[01:33] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: kqemu - u gave me a gui, i want the accelerator module.
[01:33] <bascule> well if you go through with it :)
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: this one - http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/download.html
[01:34] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, use vmware ? :)
[01:34] <silverbirch> bascule - okay thanks
[01:34] <bascule> np
[01:34] <Nermal> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/kqemu-0.6.2-1.tar.gz
[01:34] <Nermal> ?
[01:34] <Nermal> that ?
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> yes
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> doesnt work
[01:34] <robodex> doesn't work
[01:34] <Nermal> uh.. downloads fin here
[01:34] <Nermal> fine*
[01:34] <robodex> needs to be compiled with qemu
[01:34] <silverbirch> ubuntu uses gnome - so far haven't had anythingto do with it
[01:34] <robodex> and I've had nothing but problems with getting it to compile with kqemu support :\
[01:35] <bascule> it is nice, you will adjust quickly and easil;y I am sure
[01:35] <silverbirch> I *think*
[01:35] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: the link given on the page doesnt work.. how come u got the right link ?
[01:35] <Nermal> I just loaded the page and clicked the link
[01:35] <Nermal> 21kb
[01:35] <membreya> grrr this is annoying
[01:35] <silverbirch> I guess it is a shor tinstall
[01:36] <membreya> I can access remote connections using samba
[01:36] <Nermal> silverbirch, shorter than gentoo
[01:36] <membreya> but can't allow anyone to connect
[01:36] <membreya> nothing has changed >:(
[01:36] <Nermal> minutes not days :)
[01:36] <silverbirch> my typing is so no tri ght
[01:36] <Nermal> membreya, /etc/init.d/smbd start ?
[01:36] <silverbirch> okay will take a look
[01:36] <silverbirch> if you se me back soon - it either has or hasn't worked!
[01:36] <PoW> well
[01:37] <da_bon_bon> how can i get the kernel latest sources in /usr/src/linux ?
[01:37] <PoW> ctrl+alt+F7 didnt work
[01:37] <PoW> but
[01:37] <PoW> startx did
[01:37] <PoW> but it loaded up gnome
[01:37] <thoreauputic> PoW: aha
[01:37] <PoW> rather then taking me to the login screen
[01:37] <silverbirch> scanners are not saupported - so best leave unplugged
[01:37] <membreya> Nermal: nope
[01:37] <thoreauputic> progress anyway
[01:37] <PoW> =x
[01:37] <membreya> the other computer can ping me
[01:37] <membreya> just can't access my shares
[01:37] <PoW> I use kde >.<
[01:37] <PoW> lol
[01:37] <Nermal> membreya, sftp :)
[01:37] <Amaranth> PoW: stop X then do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:37] <Amaranth> It'll bring up the login screen
[01:38] <PoW> How do I stop x?
[01:38] <membreya> Nermal: it's hard enough to get my girlfriend to click something let alone learn something new
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> the 2.6.11 kernel is out on ubuntu ?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> PoW: well, from the console you can type   startx `which startkde`  (those are backticks) or the full path to the startkde script
[01:39] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Pfft, just run gdm and set the default session to use in there.
[01:39] <Cam-> is there anything like kickstart for ubuntu?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> PoW: ctrl-alt-backspace to stop X
[01:39] <PoW> then I type
[01:39] <Amaranth> Cam-: That was going to be a hoary feature, dunno if it got pushed back or not.
[01:39] <PoW> startx startkde?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: yes, but gdm won't start for him
[01:40] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Better to fix that problem then to hack around it.
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: agreed
[01:40] <Cam-> *searches apt*
[01:40] <Cam-> yepo
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: but at least he can check KDE is working
[01:40] <Cam-> found it
[01:40] <Cam-> lol
[01:40] <Amaranth> Cam-: If it didn't make it for hoary you'll have to wait about 8 more months. :P
[01:40] <Cam-> system-config-kickstart
[01:41] <PoW> startx `startkde`?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> PoW: no - startx `which startkde`
[01:41] <Riddell> PoW: apt-get install kdm ?
[01:41] <[m0rph] > da_bon_bon: apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.11
[01:41] <[m0rph] > on hoary at least
[01:41] <bascule> doe hoary use udev or devfs ?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> Riddell: thet might be easier :/
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> [m0rph] : that gives sources and image ?
[01:41] <[m0rph] > da_bon_bon: the sources
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> [m0rph] : thanks.. and is 2.6.11 safe ?
[01:42] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: just sources. to get the precompiled kernel get linux-image-2.6.11
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: but is it safe ?
[01:42] <Amaranth> 99% of the time you don't need to compile your own kernel :)
[01:42] <[m0rph] > da_bon_bon: depends on what you want to do, it works for my desktop
[01:42] <Amaranth> I don't see why not.
[01:42] <thoreauputic> PoW: if you've installed KDE iy might be worth trying  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:43] <Amaranth> I wouldn't run it on a production server or workstation though.
[01:43] <PoW> ok
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> ok Amaranth, [m0rph]  ...
[01:43] <thoreauputic> PoW: assuming it's installed (kdm)
[01:43] <[m0rph] > when we're at kernels, whats the "right way" to build them under ubuntu?
[01:43] <Amaranth> I'd run 2.6.9 or 2.6.8 on the server and 2.6.10 on the workstation. 2.6.11 should be fine on a desktop though.
[01:43] <Amaranth> [m0rph] : Same as Debian, make-kpkg
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: couldnt find package linux-image-2.6.11
[01:44] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: apt-cache search linux-*-2.6.11
[01:44] <PoW> There we go
[01:44] <PoW> =)
[01:44] <PoW> kdm start worked
[01:45] <PoW> thanks a lot
[01:45] <membreya> hmmmm ok this is weird
[01:45] <thoreauputic> PoW: aha
[01:45] <scoon> anyone here use menu-xdg
[01:45] <membreya> with the samba problem
[01:45] <membreya> if I connect from her PC using \\192.168.0.6 it works fine
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: no output
[01:45] <thoreauputic> PoW: you might need to make it permanent on boot
[01:45] <membreya> yet if I do \\diab it doesn't connect
[01:45] <PoW> How do I do that?
[01:45] <membreya> I haven't had any problems with netbios before >:(
[01:45] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: Ok then, hoary must not have any 2.6.11 stuff yet....
[01:45] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: You are using hoary, right?
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> yes
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> its 2.6.11-1
[01:46] <membreya> how do you configure netbios in linux???
[01:47] <thoreauputic> PoW: I think there's a setting in KDE control centre, but I haven't used KDE for a while
[01:47] <Amaranth> +learn kickstart is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KickstartCompatibility
[01:47] <Amaranth> err, that was supposed to go in a PM
[01:47] <Cam-> lol
[01:47] <Amaranth> ah well, it still worked
[01:47] <Cam-> system-config-kickstart is for redhat
[01:47] <Cam-> lol
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> what are the linux-restricted-modules ?
[01:48] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: I think they are non-GPL modules.
[01:48] <Nermal> modules with restrictive licencing
[01:48] <Nermal> like the centrino stuff
[01:48] <Nermal> iirc
[01:48] <Nermal> firmware and all that :|
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> and they are not available for 2.6.11 kernel, huh ?
[01:48] <duplimelody> hi can anyone help me im new to ubntu and i want to install a deb pack...
[01:48] <PoW> hmm
[01:48] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, why do you need 2.6.11 ?
[01:48] <PoW> well ill look for it later
[01:48] <PoW> 5am
[01:48] <PoW> >.<
[01:49] <Nermal> duplimelody, dpkg -i <debfile>
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> duplimelody: sudo dpkg -i NAME
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: just trying
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> thanks
[01:49] <duplimelody> ok i'll try thx
[01:50] <membreya> anyone? surely someone must know how to configure netbios in ubuntu :P
[01:51] <prego> evolution does not filter spam..., which packages else do I need to install?
[01:52] <Amaranth> prego: Mozilla Thunderbird ;)
[01:52] <prego> Amadablam, :-P
[01:52] <prego> Amadablam, sorry
[01:52] <Cam-> is gedit user or system specific
[01:52] <prego> Amaranth, :-P
[01:52] <Cam-> er
[01:52] <Cam-> GConf
[01:52] <Cam-> sorry
[01:52] <Cam-> not gedit
[01:52] <Cam-> =P
[01:52] <prego> spamassassin is not within ubuntu official packages, is it?
[01:52] <raghu> prego: set up filter in tools menu ...you need to set up filter to remove spam
[01:53] <prego> raghu, I've already done that, the problem seems that it requires spamassassin:
[01:53] <Amaranth> Cam-: iirc the one users get to see if local and you can manually edit XML files to prevent things from being changed
[01:53] <prego> pipe_to_sa spamassassin --version
[01:53] <prego> program not found, returning -1
[01:53] <prego> (sorry for the flood)
[01:54] <raghu> prego: what spam mails you are getting...you need to set it in mail server
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Cam-, there are much better options to kickstart
[01:55] <LinuxJones> Cam-, >> http://sisuite.sourceforge.net/
[01:55] <prego> radius, I have no access to my mail server. In SuSE I filter spam correctly with evolution, but in ubuntu not. I've found that evolution calls spamassassin, so I am installing it right now. The point is that spamassassin is not within ubuntu official packages...
[01:56] <membreya> well does ANYONE have any problems with netbios?
[01:57] <cocol> spamassassin is in hoary repo
[01:57] <thoreauputic> prego: apt-cache policy shows spamassassin in universe
[01:57] <PoW> Whats the command to start up xmms
[01:57] <dtygel> hi all!
[01:57] <thoreauputic> PoW: xmms
[01:57] <dtygel> sunny day here in brasilia, brazil... :)
[01:57] <PoW> command not found lol
[01:57] <thoreauputic> PoW: funnily enough ;)
[01:57] <prego> thoreauputic, you are right. I guessed that spam filtering would be in official packages, that's all.
[01:58] <dtygel> Did someone here install successfully swat (from the smb server)?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> PoW: sudo apt-get install xmms ;)
[01:58] <PoW> already newest version
[01:58] <prego> cocol, thoreauputic, raghu, Amaranth , thanks for your help ;-)
[01:58] <cocol> :)
[01:58] <thoreauputic> PoW: what does `which xmms` return?
[01:59] <membreya> maybe I will just cheat and place an alias on her hosts file :|
[01:59] <dtygel> I'm trying to install swat without success: dependencies (again!)
[01:59] <PoW> nothing
[01:59] <PoW> which xmms does nothin
[01:59] <PoW> =x
[01:59] <membreya> dtygel: how are you trying to install it ?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> PoW: should be /usr/bin/xmms
[01:59] <dtygel> apt-get install -u -f -y swat
[02:00] <dtygel> membreya: and I get the following information:
[02:00] <thoreauputic> PoW: try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xmms
[02:00] <dtygel> swat: Depends on: samba (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu2) but  3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3 will be installed
[02:00] <cocol> prego, also clamav -antivirus
[02:00] <PoW> hm
[02:00] <PoW> returned nothing
[02:00] <pland412> hello there
[02:00] <sime_> is there a way to search ubuntu packages online ? i.e. packages.debian.org
[02:00] <membreya> dtygel: tried installing samba first? :P
[02:01] <thoreauputic> PoW: well if it's properly installed, just typing xmms should start it
[02:01] <pland412> has anyone installed lighttpd on ubuntu? apt-get says 'bugger off' ;-)
[02:01] <prego> OK, evolution seems to be talking to spamassasin once the latter is installed  ;-))
[02:01] <dtygel> membreya, yes: it's installed! and working allright!
[02:01] <thoreauputic> PoW: so I don't know what evil magic you've wrought on your system...
[02:01] <dtygel> membreya: the problem is its version...
[02:01] <cocol> sime apt-cache search filename
[02:01] <PoW> wasnt me
[02:01] <PoW> ;P
[02:02] <sime_> cocol, online, like a browser
[02:02] <thoreauputic> PoW: that's what they all say ;-)
[02:02] <dtygel> membreya: I'm always having these problems with ubuntu... I couldn't also install php4. I'm quite lost...
[02:02] <PoW> lol
[02:02] <PoW> there we go
[02:02] <PoW> reinstalled it
[02:02] <PoW> properly this time
[02:02] <cocol> sime,google
[02:02] <pland412> is there no installation candidate for lighttpd in ubuntu?
[02:03] <sime_> cocol, ubuntu offical packages only
[02:03] <dtygel> membreya: When I tried to install swat, I receive the following message "swat: Depends on: samba (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu2) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3 will be installed"
[02:03] <HiddenWolf> pland412: If you enabled universe, and can't find it, it's not there.
[02:03] <cocol> sime, in the wiki
[02:03] <dtygel> membreya: it needs samba 3.0.10 and I have 3.0.7...
[02:03] <pland412> HiddenWolf: huh ok thanks
[02:04] <membreya> dtygel: http://us1.samba.org/samba/ftp/samba-3.0.11.tar.gz
[02:05] <membreya> it's just not in the repo's for ubuntu
[02:05] <dtygel> membreya: but if I install it from samba.org, won't it be in other directories, and mess the debian system?
[02:06] <dtygel> membreya, shouldn't we always try to install .deb packages? from repo's?
[02:06] <membreya> you would need to check the config file before you compile it
[02:06] <dtygel> hmmm
[02:06] <membreya> dtygel: the repos are not always up to date :)
[02:06] <membreya> but don't take my word for it
[02:06] <dtygel> membreya: but couldn't I get from the repos an older version of swat? That's what I don't understand!
[02:07] <dtygel> How can I get an older package in the repos? apt-get always searches for the newest one...
[02:07] <thoreauputic> dtygel: if you compile stuff, instead of "make install" , use checkinstall ( sudo apt-get install checkinstall)  it will make a deb for you
[02:07] <dtygel> I don't want updated swat... I just want swat...
[02:07] <dtygel> thoreauputic: nice hint :)
[02:08] <membreya> thoreauputic: told you that you were a god :)
[02:08] <thoreauputic> dtygel: I used it to compile the recent version of fluxbox :)
[02:08] <membreya> beard n all
[02:08] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have feet of clay, I'm afraid :/
[02:08] <dtygel> thor: nice! And should I type it simply inside the directory where the source is?
[02:08] <scoon> anyone know if hoary is uding the freedesktop.org xdg spec ?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> dtygel: you do the ./configur && make  - then type sudo checkinstall
[02:09] <thoreauputic> * ./configure
[02:09] <dtygel> thoreauputic: ok, I'll try it right now.
[02:10] <cocol> how i checked if xorg is installed?
[02:10] <membreya> dtygel: almost done downloading the latest samba
[02:10] <thoreauputic> dtygel: you can even enter your name and a description for your new package ;)
[02:10] <cocol> checkt
[02:10] <cocol> check
[02:10] <scoon> anyone know if hoary is uding the freedesktop.org xdg spec ?
[02:10] <thoreauputic> dtygel: instant package maintainer status ;-)
[02:10] <scoon> cocol, X -version in a shell
[02:10] <membreya> ....I just wish the repo's were more up to date :P
[02:10] <cocol> thx scoon
[02:11] <CarlK> aplay, speaker-test and xmms all make sound, but flashplayer-firefox plugin does not.  what can I do to make it make noise?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - try using Debian Woody for true computer archaeology ;)
[02:13] <dtygel> thoreauputic and membreya: thanks a lot ;). I'll try those hints...
[02:13] <dtygel> ...I'm downloading it right now.
[02:14] <thoreauputic> dtygel: be aware you might run into dependency issues when compiling - usually missing dev packages
[02:15] <silverbirch> just looiked at the 'install' warty - it seems very complicated regrading partitions
[02:15] <silverbirch> *regarding*
[02:15] <PoW> What's the svn command to define a username?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> svn?
[02:15] <PoW> while checking out
[02:15] <thoreauputic> what's that?
[02:15] <PoW> subversion
[02:16] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:16] <thoreauputic> don't know, sorry
[02:16] <silverbirch> warty only gives 'delete' options it seems
[02:16] <CarlK> PoW - svn --username foo
[02:16] <PoW> oh ok
[02:17] <CarlK> PoW - or did you mean setup a username on the server?
[02:17] <silverbirch> for patitions I mean
[02:17] <PoW> nah
[02:17] <PoW> login to svn
[02:17] <PoW> It worked
[02:17] <bascule> silverbirch: I presume there is no free space on the drive
[02:17] <PoW> Thanks
[02:17] <CarlK> you're welcome
[02:17] <bascule> There may befree space within partitions, but that is not the same thing
[02:18] <PoW> Time to sleep
[02:18] <silverbirch> a bit disappointing when I would have thought they would want people trying it - to make it so difficult with other OS
[02:18] <tritium> silverbirch, it's not
[02:18] <membreya> silverbirch: I had no problems whatsoever in partitioning
[02:19] <membreya> ahoy..tritium speaks :)
[02:19] <krism> silverbirch : the only reason you can only select Delete is because there is no free space to create a new one
[02:19] <tritium> membreya, hey.  I just got into the office.  How are you?
[02:19] <membreya> pulling my hair out but I wouldn't have it any other way
[02:19] <tritium> about what?
[02:19] <silverbirch> okay krism - so I have to go back somehow and maake space for ubuntu
[02:20] <membreya> well my computer stopped broadcasting netbios
[02:20] <krism> silverbirch : you have to delete some partitinos, or resize them
[02:20] <membreya> so I just cheated and placed an alias in my girlfriends hosts file
[02:20] <silverbirch> I guess if I had the knowledhe I would have done that when installed mandrake
[02:20] <tritium> :)
[02:20] <membreya> the OTHER thing that's driving me crazy is I have one folder on a FAT32 partition that is locked
[02:20] <bascule> silverbirch: mcc will have those tools
[02:21] <silverbirch> krism - resize - preferably the windows one
[02:21] <krism> mm hmm?
[02:21] <tritium> membreya, I hope your troubles are resolved soon
[02:21] <membreya> tritium: if there were no troubles ....it would just be windows :P
[02:21] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: bascule is right - you can do resizing etc from mandrake control centre
[02:21] <silverbirch> bascule - only time I used mcc was with line by line instructions from a LUG person
[02:22] <membreya> I like the learning curve of linux :)
[02:22] <membreya> mind you I would LOVE to know why my linux box has stopped broadcasting netbios
[02:22] <silverbirch> I have looked at vim tutorial so have a bit of an idea
[02:22] <bascule> silverbirch: but its a graphical tool :)
[02:23] <silverbirch> :-) oh well you know what an idiot you are dealing with then
[02:23] <bascule> Mandrake Control Center
[02:23] <bascule> it has resizing tools, I forget where, but it has them
[02:23] <silverbirch> control centre - okay
[02:24] <sls> why does Ubuntu not antialias the fonts of kde apps that you install (like k3b)
[02:24] <sls> is that normal or did i break something
[02:24] <bascule> perhaps it doesn't have those fonts
[02:24] <bascule> <-- hasn't been near k3b ever
[02:25] <CarlK> k3b has an awesome spash screen ;)
[02:25] <silverbirch> I'm trying to remmber - but for ubuntu have to manually set mount points I  think - reason why I installed mandrake and stopped!
[02:25] <bascule> CarlK: well that is reassuring ;P
[02:25] <bascule> nah, I have seen it on a friends machine
[02:26] <silverbirch> basc - you mean about mandrake and ubuntu
[02:27] <thoreauputic> sls: a nice simple gnome CD burner here (gnomebaker)  -> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[02:27] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker for warty or hoary
[02:27] <sls> a backer ey
[02:28] <tritium> thoreauputic, there appear to only be Warty packages.
[02:28] <bascule> silverbirch: er didn't quite understand the last question. On a side note the <tab> key does nick completion .. :))
[02:28] <LinuxJones> sls, I think you need to install a package to get fonts working correctly, ummm kde-core maybe
[02:29] <thoreauputic> tritium: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/
[02:29] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:29] <tritium> thoreauputic, yeah, empty directories as you dig deeper
[02:29] <tritium> thoreauputic, it's okay, I use graveman.  I was just noticing.
[02:29] <silverbirch> bascule - I was following your last comments - whcih I thin were related to another post - it is my extreme ignorance which causes this!
[02:30] <thoreauputic> tritium: sorry. you were right :/
[02:30] <tritium> thoreauputic, no, it's okay.  It's probably temporary.
[02:31] <silverbirch> so -anyway 0 I need to make some space for ubuntu before I ca do anything else
[02:31] <sls> LinuxJones: apt should satify all the dependencies though right
[02:31] <silverbirch> bye - and thanks for help - maybe next time I will be here using ubuntu
[02:32] <bascule> yup, i recommend mandrake control center for those, and you are not a complete idiot, just a nervous noob, not the same thing
[02:32] <LinuxJones> sls, yes but again I am not 100 % sure that kde-core is the package that you need
[02:32] <LinuxJones> sls, but I think it is
[02:33] <silverbirch> bascule - time will tell!
[02:33] <sls> thoreauputic: hey... is there a screenshot? I like K3B cuzz it looks and works like Easy CD Creator (Roxio)
[02:33] <bascule> heh
[02:33] <thoreauputic> sls: it looks - gnomeish :)
[02:33] <thoreauputic> sls: plain and simple. does drag and drop etc
[02:34] <nictuku> squid comes with helper tools that require winbind, but winbind itself is only in universe.
[02:34] <nictuku> ops, sorry, "hi".
[02:34] <sls> better than Nautilus burn://?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> sls: not a big download - just have a look
[02:34] <thoreauputic> sls: yes, more options
[02:34] <thoreauputic> music etc
[02:35] <nictuku> besides, /usr/lib/squid/wb_* tools are broken, as they try to read /tmp/.winbindd/pipe, but that file is not created by winbind
[02:35] <sls> thoreauputic: ok --fine I will... twist my arm...
[02:35] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> sls: "It works here" as they say ... ;-)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> YMMV
[02:36] <duplimelody> hey can anyone help me i cant get k3b working
[02:36] <duplimelody> it gives me this:
[02:36] <duplimelody> cdrecord does not run with root privileges
[02:36] <duplimelody> It is highly recommended to configure cdrecord to run with root privileges. Only then cdrecord runs with high priority which increases the overall stability of the burning process. Apart from that it allows changing the size of the used burning buffer. A lot of user problems could be solved this way. This is also true when using SuSE's resmgr.
[02:36] <duplimelody> Solution: Use K3bSetup to solve this problem.
[02:36] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: and did you?
[02:37] <duplimelody> so i go to config it and it asks me for a pass but it dosen't acept my root or user pass
[02:37] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: Warty?
[02:38] <LinuxJones> duplimelody, sudo -s in console then type k3b.
[02:38] <LinuxJones> duplimelody, enter your user password
[02:38] <duplimelody> what do you mean by warty
[02:38] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: never mind - try LinuxJones suggestion
[02:39] <duplimelody> ok thanks
[02:39] <thoreauputic> I was going to give you a link to a gnome alternative
[02:39] <thoreauputic> only for warty it seems, currently
[02:39] <duplimelody> you meen i can get kde
[02:40] <duplimelody> insted of gnome
[02:40] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: you can but it's "unsupported"
[02:40] <Riddell> duplimelody: certinaly can https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[02:40] <duplimelody> ok thanks
[02:41] <mouche> kde doesn't have to replace gnome for you; I'm running kde apps in gnome with no problems
[02:42] <bensexson> Does anyone know how to have gnome-volume-control save settings over reboots?
[02:43] <Nermal> gconf
[02:43] <Nermal> ?
[02:43] <duplimelody> i trie the sudo and it worked thanks
[02:43] <[m0rph] > I installed nvidia-kernel-source, how can I compile it?
[02:43] <duplimelody> tried*
[02:43] <KING^^^> hello all, i have a question , how do i install java ?
[02:44] <duplimelody> what does sudo do?
[02:44] <LinuxJones> [m0rph] , nvidia binary drivers are available for download via apt, you don't need to compile them yourself.
[02:45] <[m0rph] > LinuxJones: I know, but I built my own kernel
[02:45] <afonit> KING^^^:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[02:45] <thoreauputic> duplimelody: gives temporary root privileges, basically
[02:45] <LinuxJones> [m0rph] , ahhh in that case you will need to install build-essential + linux-headers
[02:45] <LinuxJones> [m0rph] , oops sorry you don't need headers
[02:46] <duplimelody> ah
[02:46] <KING^^^> afonit: plug-in for mozilla or simple ? just jre ?
[02:46] <[m0rph] > LinuxJones: I installed linux-tree-2.6.11 and then extracted it and compiled it
[02:46] <tritium> KING^^^, I recommend java-package over the way ubuntuguide suggests
[02:47] <afonit> ok, good idea tritium
[02:47] <LinuxJones> [m0rph] , duh, sorry too early in the am :)
[02:48] <tritium> afonit, either way :)
[02:48] <KING^^^> ok tritium i have installed it
[02:48] <KING^^^> but i think this was too fast and simple
[02:48] <KING^^^> just 37.9 Kb ?
[02:48] <beyond> hi all !!
[02:48] <thoreauputic> KING^^^: that's step one :)
[02:48] <tritium> KING^^^, ok.  there is some documentation in /usr/share/doc/java-package
[02:49] <tritium> KING^^^, and also, the make-jpkg manual page
[02:49] <tritium> KING^^^, next step is to download the jre you want, and then build your own .deb from it
[02:49] <KING^^^> don't know this kind of stuff
[02:50] <tritium> KING^^^, that's why I pointed you to the documentation.
[02:50] <beyond> I'm trying to run a python script in a ubuntu instalation but this problema is happening: Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:50] <beyond>   File "./readjust-sales-daily.py", line 3, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     from harness import helper
[02:50] <beyond>   File "/home/consave/consave/scripts/misc/harness.py", line 11, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     config.setup_app(prefix, "import-generic")
[02:50] <beyond>   File "../../lib/config.py", line 336, in setup_app
[02:50] <beyond>     self.validate_user()
[02:50] <tritium> KING^^^, it's very simple
[02:50] <beyond>   File "../../lib/config.py", line 356, in validate_user
[02:50] <beyond>     from components.registry import LoginDialog
[02:50] <beyond>   File "../../components/__init__.py", line 6, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     from Kiwi import Views
[02:50] <beyond>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Kiwi/Views.py", line 35, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     from initgtk import _non_interactive, ktype
[02:50] <beyond>   File "/usr/local//lib/python2.3/site-packages/Kiwi/initgtk.py", line 32, in ?
[02:50] <beyond>     from gtk import gtk_version
[02:50] <beyond>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-1.2/gtk.py", line 33, in ?
[02:50] <tritium> beyond, please don't flood
[02:50] <beyond>     _gtk.gtk_init()
[02:50] <beyond> 2005-02-20 22:15 (26269): RuntimeError: cannot open display. Can anyone help ?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> beyond: #flood
[02:51] <beyond> tritium, I'm sorry for this
[02:51] <LinuxJones> beyond, try using www.pastebin.ca and jsut post a link to it rather than flood the irc channel please
[02:51] <KING^^^> tritium: can u tell what to do ?
[02:51] <housetier> beyond are you running this command in a terminal window (gui) or on a console (text)
[02:51] <[m0rph] > LinuxJones: no problem ^^
[02:51] <tritium> beyond, it's okay.  Next time do as LinuxJones or thoreauputic suggest ;)
[02:52] <beyond> housetier, on a console. but the script doesn't have ane gui operations
[02:53] <beyond> housetier, ops...some routines of gtk is used but the output is on console
[02:53] <tritium> KING^^^, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1107188236/view?searchterm=java-package
[02:53] <housetier> beyond well gtk.py does hint at gui
[02:53] <tritium> KING^^^, what version of java-package do you have installed?
[02:54] <KING^^^> how i find that ?
[02:54] <tritium> KING^^^, dpkg -l java-package
[02:54] <KING^^^> 0.17.6-4.10ubp
[02:54] <tritium> KING^^^, great.
[02:55] <beyond> LinuxJones, sorry dude... I should send just the laste line of the traceback...my mistake... but not intencional
[02:55] <beyond> "last"
[02:55] <LinuxJones> beyond, that's ok :)
[02:55] <inc_> sup room
[02:55] <beyond> housetier, do you have any idea about how to fix this problem ? If I run this scrip as a different user everything is ok
[02:56] <tritium> KING^^^, it's pretty much as easy as that URL I gave you indicates.  Let me know if you have trouble.
[02:57] <housetier> beyond run it a terminal window
[02:58] <KING^^^> ok tritium
[03:00] <KING^^^> tritium: where to download that jdk.... ?
[03:01] <KING^^^> never mind tritium
[03:01] <KING^^^> :)
[03:01] <beyond> housetier, thanks
[03:06] <thor|coffee> hmm - the Sun java download site is a mess :/
[03:06] <tritium> KING^^^, :)
[03:06] <thor|coffee> you better know what you are looking for or else...
[03:07] <dcuadra> Hi, I have ubuntu installed in my pc, but I don't have Internet, exists some form to obtain the links to download kde?
[03:07] <cocol> is this java download for hoary ?
[03:07] <dcuadra> in other site
[03:08] <cocol> or only for warty?
[03:09] <Riddell> dcuadra: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[03:09] <kbrooks> cocol, ?
[03:09] <cocol> this way of installing java i mean, kbrooks
[03:09] <tritium> cocol, either
[03:10] <cocol> ok thanks tritium
[03:10] <tritium> sure thing
[03:11] <thor|coffee> tritium: I have a mozilla.org binary of firefox 1.0 on warty : I would guess this make-jpkg won't ask me for the path? (in other words, probably a pointless exercise for me?)
[03:12] <TheJester667> Hi. Are there any news from the "broken" kdelibs-data package? Does this problem affect more users?
[03:13] <dcuadra> I don't have internet, I need the links to download all kde deps (the .debs) or a iso (or anything) with them
[03:14] <LinuxJones> dcuadra, you need to have internet access to download the kde packages
[03:14] <tritium> thor|coffee, are you asking about how it'll handly setting up the java plugins?
[03:14] <Riddell> TheJester667: it's on my todo list to fix today, I may or may not be able to get round to it
[03:15] <tritium> thor|coffee, you can still use java-package.  It will put the plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[03:15] <thor|coffee> tritium: yes, basically
[03:15] <thor|coffee> I see
[03:15] <Riddell> dcuadra: no ISOs yet I'm afraid, you can manually get the .debs from archive.kde.org but it will be quite a hunt
[03:15] <TheJester667> Ah ok.. just for the interest, in which package does the file /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu belong?
[03:15] <karim> anyone use ubuntu for power pc ?
[03:15] <thor|coffee> so if firefox is in ~/bin it will still work?
[03:16] <thor|coffee> karim: on my laptop, yes
[03:16] <tritium> thor|coffee, you may have to setup some symbolic links to get it to work correctly, but that should be all
[03:16] <tritium> karim, yes, for servers
[03:17] <dcuadra> LinuxJones: I can download in the university
[03:17] <thoreauputic> tritium: OK I'll giveit a go :) Thanks
[03:17] <tritium> thoreauputic, what are you going to do?
[03:17] <tritium> java-package?
[03:18] <karim> thoreauputic, is it fine ? I have a debian on a G3 b&w, but the desktop aspect of ubuntu is better I think
[03:18] <pme2000> kan iemand mij helpen met Unbuntu,om mij toetsenbord in te stellen
[03:18] <Amaranth> do we have a swedish ubuntu channel?
[03:18] <dcuadra> In the house, I can have a modem connection...
[03:18] <Amaranth> or is that german?
[03:18] <karim> thoreauputic, if there is an easy way to migrate from debian to ubuntu I am intereted. I have a ubuntu on x86 however
[03:18] <thoreauputic> karim: iBook G4 - it's fine except for the modem and airport extreme
[03:19] <CarlK> aplay, speaker-test and xmms all make sound, but flashplayer-firefox plugin does not.  what can I do to make it make noise?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> oh and sleep/suspend :/
[03:19] <cocol> pme2000, #ubuntu-nl
[03:19] <Amaranth> ah, dutch
[03:19] <cocol> ja dit is n NL kanaal
[03:19] <thoreauputic> karim: airport is OK apparently, but not "extreme"
[03:20] <BockBilbo> hello
[03:20] <ICU> hmm how to stop my speaker to beep on tab (in gnome terminal) - but only the speaker not the soundcard (got it on my debian install but can't remember how)
[03:20] <Amaranth> airport extreme is based on a broadcom device that probably won't work with linux anytime soon
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: right
[03:20] <Amaranth> ICU: iirc aumix will let you mute the pc speaker
[03:21] <JzE> Is there any1 here who could tell me how to get Quake2 work in linux??
[03:22] <ICU> Amadablam, alsamixer has not entry for speaker :/ will try aumix :)
[03:23] <universal> can someone tell me how to write root in gnome?
[03:23] <krism> ICU: click "Edit" -> "Current Profile" then uncheck "Terminal Bell"
[03:23] <krism> universal : write root? what do you mean?
[03:23] <LinuxJones> karim, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[03:23] <Amaranth> everyone tab completes to Amadablam when they try to talk to me :p
[03:23] <Amaranth> sorry Amadablam
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Gnome terminal: Settings|Preferences|Silence Terminal Bell
[03:24] <universal> krism, like if i whant a program to be runned as sudo in gnome
[03:24] <ICU> krism, that will disable all sounds, won't it? i only want to disable the speaker beep not the sound played on my soundcard.
[03:24] <Amaranth> universal: gksudo is what pops up the little dialog to type in your password for a GUI app
[03:25] <Amaranth> universal: So instead of a shortcut running, say, k3b you have it run gksudo k3b
[03:26] <JDigital> Can anyone help me with ssh? When I connect, it gets as far as accepting my password and stalls. The cursor just blinks.
[03:26] <krism> ICU: ooops my bad
[03:26] <universal> Amaranth, so i can actually write fx write gksudo Point2Play if i whant?
[03:26] <CarlK> on a similar note - warty on a toshiba 2800, it starts playing bongo drums shortly after X starts, and wont stop
[03:26] <krism> universal : then just prefix the program name with sudo.. you can edit the shortcut and prefix 'sudo' if you want.
[03:26] <CarlK> I thnk it is kinda funny, but my gf wants it to stop
[03:27] <JDigital> hehe
[03:27] <thoreauputic> soory - re terminal bell - under "edit profile" untick the bell
[03:27] <universal> Amaranth, exactly, and as you say i also need to be gksudo when running K3B
[03:27] <CarlK> anyone know where the "play bongo soundtrack loop" option is?
[03:27] <JDigital> heh
[03:28] <JDigital> What's odd is that if I mistype my password it'll tell me "wrong password", so everything is fine until I successfully enter the correct password.
[03:28] <CarlK> I am tempted to just toast the box and install hoary and hope for the best
[03:28] <JDigital> whereupon it just flashes the cursor at me instead of saying "welcome to teh server!!1"
[03:29] <Amaranth> universal: So make the shortcut run gksudo Point2Play
[03:29] <Amaranth> or sudo Point2Play from a terminal
[03:30] <universal> Amaranth, yeah, it works, but what about if i whant to stop gnome popping up with "write password" screen?
[03:30] <tritium> CarlK, that provided the humor I needed this morning :)
[03:30] <karim> LinuxJones, interesting, this looks a bit scary :)
[03:30] <Amaranth> universal: It'll only do it once per login session (maybe per app too)
[03:30] <Amaranth> universal: But you have to put in your password at least once.
[03:30] <CarlK> tritium - excelent!
[03:31] <tritium> :)
[03:31] <universal> Amaranth, yeah, is see, cool
[03:31] <karim> LinuxJones, I will try that. however will this switch directly to an ubuntu, or will the upgrade occur with the time, when doing different upgrades ?
[03:31] <CarlK> I knew it was a good thing. I'll pass it on to the gf
[03:31] <arun--> i have the latest hoary installed (array 5), how do i disable anti aliasing (using gnome)
[03:32] <krism> gah! where is the goddamn speed sensor on my kia?! roar
[03:32] <krism> sorry for the OT
[03:32] <krism> just getting annoyed as fuck
[03:33] <tritium> arun--, System->Preferences->Font
[03:34] <krism> CarlK : get that hooker out and tell her to fix my car ;)
[03:34] <CarlK> don't you mean get out of that hooker?
[03:34] <universal> Amaranth, hey, do you know if there is a performance-difference between using a nvidia driver downloaded from nvidia.com, or the driver from apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[03:34] <krism> CarlK : i mena, get her out of the trunk. you can put her back in after she's done... <g>
[03:34] <Amaranth> no difference
[03:34] <universal> cool
[03:34] <Amaranth> but the ubuntu package is supported, iirc
[03:34] <thenuke> ARGH. My mouse lags AGAIN in X when I use ImPS2 instead of PS2 .. I got this fixed before by apt-getting gpm.. but now it does not work anymore? so what the hell could be wrong :D
[03:35] <Amaranth> meaning they can offer a little ammount of paid support to get it working
[03:35] <JDigital> why do I seem to recognise the name Amaranth
[03:35] <Amaranth> JDigital: It's a vegetable, a flower, and two hindi words.
[03:35] <tritium> CarlK, I guess as a last resort, you could comment out the line in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf that plays the login sound
[03:35] <universal> Amaranth, but it seems that my Counterstrike source doesent work optimal with cedega?
[03:35] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu with the GUI and then ran "mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/" as root from /home/ which reports "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy". I get "umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted" and lsofs of the 2 dirs gives nothing. Anyone know how to mount the harddisk?
[03:35] <CarlK> tritium - theres a gdm.conf? ;)
[03:36] <Amaranth> universal: That's probably cedega, not the video card.
[03:36] <CarlK> ill check
[03:36] <tritium> CarlK, yes.  Look for 2 lines that begin with "SoundOnLogin" and "SoundOnLoginFile"
[03:37] <universal> Amaranth, ok, but dont you think that something could be configurated so my graphic-card can make it?
[03:38] <Amaranth> universal: Dunno for sure. I don't use cedega and my gfx card is an ATI that is supported (full 3D) but an open source driver. :)
[03:38] <CarlK> tritium - I see SoundOnLoginFile=/usr/share/sounds/question.wav
[03:38] <Amaranth> s/but/buy/
[03:38] <Amaranth> err by
[03:38] <CarlK> it sposed to loop forever?
[03:38] <tritium> CarlK, yeah, that's the bongo drums, and no, it's not supposed to loop ;)
[03:38] <tritium> CarlK, the line above that could be set to False
[03:38] <CarlK> tritium - it is
[03:38] <arun--> is /etc/init.d/networking restart working in hoary?
[03:38] <universal> Amaranth, ok, fine, ill catch you later.... ;)
[03:39] <arun--> mine does only 'stop', and doesnt do 'start'
[03:39] <tritium> arun--, yes
[03:39] <arun--> but it worked in warty
[03:40] <tritium> CarlK, oh, it already was?
[03:41] <CarlK> tritium - correct: SoundOnLogin=false
[03:41] <CarlK> the #'s say it will paly the file
[03:42] <CarlK> #... If SoundOnLogin is a file and the greeter finds the  # 'play' executable (see daemon/SoundProgram) it will play that file # instead of just beeping
[03:42] <CarlK> SoundProgram=/usr/lib/gdmplay
[03:42] <CarlK> maybe that has the "loop forever" option?
[03:43] <tritium> CarlK, no, just the player
[03:43] <tritium> CarlK, you could try commenting out the line with SoundOnLoginFile
[03:43] <arun--> in synaptics, under warty, i was able to configure the repositories without opening the /etc/apt, but under hoary i am unable to do it
[03:44] <tritium> CarlK, then, it should only beep, and hopefully only once :)
[03:44] <thoreauputic> arun--: it's a bug , I believe
[03:44] <thoreauputic> arun--: others have the same issue
[03:45] <dennis> moin
[03:45] <njan> plus
[03:45] <Port048> anybody from the philippines in here? :)
[03:45] <arun--> thoreauputic: thank you
[03:46] <tritium> Port048, no, but my wife is :)
[03:46] <Port048> Oh hi tritium :)
[03:46] <cocol> hahah..lol
[03:46] <tritium> hello
[03:46] <Port048> and hi to your wife too hehe
[03:47] <tritium> thanks
[03:48] <Port048> just here to learn and (hopefully) help :)
[03:48] <arun--> anybody have problems with /etc/init.d/networking restart (under hoary)
[03:48] <CarlK> Port048 - I read "and hit..."
[03:48] <cybane> If I want every user to have a directory named /public_html in their home dir do I put that dir in the /usr/skel directory?
[03:49] <CarlK> arun-- - sudo or as root?
[03:49] <tritium> CarlK, did the changes work?
[03:49] <arun--> as root
[03:49] <arun--> i didnt try as sudo
[03:49] <CarlK> tritium - well, she turned off sound alltogether, so I need to wait for her to come back from schools so she can undo whaterver she did, then I'll poke at it
[03:49] <tritium> Oh, okay.
[03:50] <CarlK> arun-- - i just figured ill try what you did
[03:50] <CarlK> tritium - but it looks like that should do it, so thanks
[03:50] <tritium> CarlK, cool.
[03:51] <Port048> does anyone have any luck with a lucent amr winmodem?
[03:51] <CarlK> arun-- networking restart didn't re-start ;)
[03:51] <arun--> CarlK: :) atleast some one has the same issue as me
[03:51] <CarlK> arun-- networking start didn't start either
[03:52] <arun--> CarlK: you have to use ifup
[03:52] <arun--> CarlK: i compared that restart block with the script in warty, there is no difference
[03:56] <CarlK> what redirects stderr to stdout?  i thought it was 2>&1
[03:56] <pfefferkeks> hi, my cdfrecord tels me always: root@nexus:/home/pfefferkeks # cdrecord --scanbus
[03:56] <pfefferkeks> cdrecord: Bad fifo size in defaults.
[03:56] <flosch> hi
[03:57] <pfefferkeks> but it's all right in the /etc/default/cdrecord
[03:57] <thoreauputic> pfefferkeks: try cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[03:57] <CarlK> not sure if the output I am trying to capture is stderr... it is whereever bash echos commands when you start a script with #! /bin/bash -x
[03:58] <arun--> i am a novice in bash scripting
[03:59] <thoreauputic> CarlK: doesn' t that just write to stdout ?
[03:59] <pfefferkeks> thoreauputic: thangs, but I thing I configered it for ATAPI in the /etc/default/cdrecord.
[03:59] <thoreauputic> CarlK: I mean, with the -x option
[03:59] <CarlK> thoreauputic - I would think, but it didn;t go to >foo.log didn't
[04:01] <thoreauputic> CarlK:  just >2 /path/foo.log maybe?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> sorry 2> /path/foo.log (it's late and that's probably wrong too)
[04:01] <CarlK> that creates a file named 2
[04:02] <thoreauputic> yeah
[04:02] <CarlK> no dice either
[04:02] <CarlK> wha.. that worked
[04:03] <thoreauputic> CarlK: I've only used it to send error to /dev/null but I guess any path will do ...
[04:03] <CarlK> then this should have worked
[04:03] <CarlK> 2>&1 >foo.log
[04:03] <CarlK> to merge err and out and send to foo.log
[04:03] <thoreauputic> yeah
[04:04] <thoreauputic> looks right
[04:04] <CarlK> oh well, don't reall need stdout for the networking start prob
[04:06] <tritium> Hmm, yelp still gives tons of XML parsing errors.
[04:11] <Echylo> Echylo> hey question again, when I login and have to giv in my password & login, it uses the US keyboard layout, while when I am logged in, it uses the belgian(the one I need)
[04:11] <CarlK> arun-- http://paste.phpfi.com/51962
[04:12] <CarlK> change the first line of init.d/networking to #! /bin/bash -x
[04:12] <CarlK> on the warty one that works
[04:13] <CarlK> arun - then /etc/init.d/networking start 2>/tmp/networking-start-warty.log
[04:14] <CarlK> and compare with mine
[04:18] <cybane> Is Linux IA32 what I am using on Ubuntu I am trying to download a driver for my grpahics card
[04:19] <viper12> morning all........quicken just ticked me off completely........they're "sunsetting 2001 and older software to NOT do online bank transactions.....and thus my LAST reason for XP goeth away.  Any suggestions on a Linux app to replace it?
[04:19] <CarlK> viper12 - http://krecipes.sourceforge.net ;)
[04:20] <CarlK> make some cookies
[04:22] <viper12> carlk..........lmao.......but how does that fix my need for online banking manager? hmmmmmmm?
[04:23] <CarlK> viper12 - here is a long shot - http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/src
[04:23] <CarlK> somewhere I thought I saw notes on what was being used for accounting type software
[04:24] <viper12> ty carl......I'm going to do some research later today anyway, just thought I'd see if anyone here was using something linux side that was equiv. to the quicken package.
[04:24] <tritium> CarlK, hey, my wife would like that.  Do you know of similar gnome/gtk software?
[04:25] <viper12> er......carlk.........that's longer than a long shot......that site has NOTHING to do with online banking or financial software. :O
[04:25] <CarlK> tritium - um, forgive my dumbness, but it runs on the gf's warty box, so dosn't that mean it is gnome?
[04:25] <arun--> CarlK: the file is empty
[04:25] <tritium> CarlK, no, it appears to be a kde/qt app
[04:25] <Port048> how about gnucash? @ viper12
[04:25] <CarlK> viper12 - no, but " This code is all Unix/Linux-specific: DNA Lounge is a No Microsoft Zone and proud of it."
[04:25] <membreya> does anyone here use trickle or a similair bandwidth throttler?
[04:26] <CarlK> arun-- - looks like the problem is: ifup -a
[04:26] <thoreauputic> apt-cache show gnucash looks promising...
[04:26] <arun--> CarlK: i did it on my hoary installation as root
[04:26] <arun--> after ifdown -a, it doesnt want to execute ifup -a in the restart block
[04:27] <Port048> tritium -- tell yer wife to try gnucash or she already did lol
[04:27] <arun--> but as root in the cli, ifup eth1 works
[04:27] <Semt-X> Hello
[04:27] <Semt-X> evarlast, are you around?
[04:27] <arun--> if it is a bug, i will take time to file it
[04:28] <CarlK> arun-- - it does execute it, but just like if you do # ifup -a, it doesn't bring up anything but lo, becaue lo is the only thing in "/etc/network/interfaces" that is marked "auto"
[04:28] <CarlK> so my guess is the bug is in the creation of "/etc/network/interfaces"
[04:28] <evarlast> Semt-X: I'm here.
[04:28] <CarlK> but I am looking at the warty box and its "/etc/network/interfaces" looks teh seam
[04:28] <thoreauputic> viper12: apt-cache show gnucash says "can import Quicken QIF files" - don't see specifics about online banking however
[04:29] <arun--> CarlK: weird isnt it :)
[04:29] <chillywi1ly> are you talking about OFX?
[04:29] <CarlK> arun-- are both of your boxes wifi, or is warty wired?
[04:30] <cybane> Does Ubuntu use a generic driver for the video card or does it use the one for your graphics card
[04:30] <viper12> thanks thoreau........I'll be checking it out.  probably spend some time over in freshmeat as well.  f'in quicken. sigh.
[04:30] <arun--> warty is wired, hoary is wireless
[04:30] <CarlK> arun-- - I bet thats the diff that counts
[04:31] <arun--> CarlK: but i have done the same thing when warty was running on my laptop wireless mode, i worked
[04:31] <CarlK> arun-- - both of my boxes are wifi, so I bet the warty wont work weither
[04:31] <mz2> hmm, polypaudio seems to only work reliably when i relaunch it
[04:31] <CarlK> arun-- - leme try restarting warty... brb
[04:31] <arun--> CarlK: can you try on your warty installation then if possible, both as root and sudo
[04:31] <membreya> mz2: buzilla :)
[04:32] <mz2> is this something other people are experiencing in hoary as well? i think somebody mentioned this earlier here
[04:32] <brain_v> quick question, visio equivalent in linux?
[04:32] <tseng> dia, sortof
[04:32] <membreya> mz2: yup
[04:32] <Port048> brain -- try Dia
[04:33] <afonit> or inkscape
[04:33] <AngryClip> can Dia read visio files?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> inkscape is nice
[04:33] <afonit> in .42 they will have snappable parts
[04:33] <brain_v> what is the best for creating street map?
[04:33] <Port048> inkscape is I think more of a corel draw clone
[04:33] <arun--> CarlK: in my wired warty box, i see this line   auto eth0
[04:33] <egli> AngryClip: afaik dia cannot read visio files
[04:33] <bascule> mz2: play with exit-idle-time in /etc/polypaudio/daemon.con
[04:33] <afonit> clone, it is all based on svg specs
[04:34] <arun--> CarlK: but in my wirless hoary laptop, i dont see   auto eth1 anywhere
[04:34] <bascule> conf*
[04:34] <membreya> mz2: other way is to leave it running when you exit gnome and save the session :)
[04:34] <brain_v> i tried dia not good for creating street map
[04:34] <brain_v> any idea?
[04:34] <arun--> CarlK: may be that explains, let me change my interface file and do a restart and see what happens
[04:34] <JsPr> AngryClip, you could use Visio with Codeweavers Crossover Office
[04:34] <AngryClip> brain_v: you could use crossover office and MS Visio
[04:34] <AngryClip> heh
[04:35] <brain_v> i need to install crossover?
[04:35] <AngryClip> that is what I am doing :P
[04:35] <bascule> MS Paint :P
[04:35] <afonit> brian_V: I dont have nay other ideas
[04:35] <afonit> lol
[04:35] <Port048> lol bascule
[04:35] <brain_v> bascule, thats very damn idea
[04:35] <JsPr> :-)
[04:35] <brain_v> :)
[04:35] <krism> what is a damn idea?
[04:35] <tritium> Port048, we use that already.  I was referring to the recipe software earlier ;)
[04:36] <brain_v> krischan, try www.free-definition.com/damn.html
[04:36] <brain_v> ;p
[04:36] <krism> brain_v : "<brain_v> bascule, thats very damn idea
[04:36] <Port048> oh okay tritium mah bad hehe
[04:36] <krism> ;)
[04:36] <tritium> Port048, no worries :)
[04:36] <RQ> hi
[04:37] <RQ> could anyone tell me how Firefox in ubuntu got gtk-2]  native save/open dialogs?
[04:37] <Port048> brain .. try searching at sf or fm
[04:37] <RQ> i don't see them in debian..
[04:38] <brain_v> Port048, i did already, irc is my last resort
[04:38] <AngryClip> brain_v: if you find anything, please give me a shout
[04:38] <CarlK> arun-- - well, warty wont' down..
[04:38] <tritium> brain_v, perhaps in the mozilla-firefox-gnome-support package
[04:39] <RQ> brain_v, what are you looking for?
[04:39] <arun--> :)
[04:39] <Port048> what version of visio are u using braain?
[04:39] <arun--> CarlK: i added auto eth1, restart randomly works
[04:39] <no0tic> hi all
[04:39] <brain_v> rq, visio like, i tried dia but street maping is incomplete
[04:40] <RQ> ah
[04:40] <no0tic> Anyone knows when new ati drivers will be ported to hoary?
[04:40] <CarlK> arun-- at least is seems that is the source of the problem
[04:40] <tritium> RQ, my comment above to brain_v was intended for you.  Sorry to both of you...
[04:40] <arun--> CarlK: is there a timeout setting, like wait for x seconds for dhcp connect?
[04:40] <Port048> I'm trying to recall where i read some stuffs about visio 5 though
[04:40] <RQ> tritium, no it's not that package
[04:40] <RQ> i don't have it installed
[04:40] <RQ> and it seems to be doing other things
[04:41] <Port048> using wine
[04:41] <brain_v> tritium, its ok.
[04:41] <RQ> np
[04:41] <brain_v> are all here is african people?
[04:42] <RQ> lol
[04:42] <CarlK> arun-- - got the same problem on the warty box - ifup -a only uped lo
[04:42] <brain_v> i thought ubuntu is a african word
[04:42] <Port048> lol brain
[04:42] <RQ> unless you think the whole world is Africa, we're not
[04:42] <RQ> ;] 
[04:42] <brain_v> hehe
[04:42] <brain_v> :D
[04:42] <CarlK> arun-- - im sure there is a setting somewhere, no clue where
[04:42] <Port048> philippines here brain
[04:42] <brain_v> same here Port048! tagasan ka?:D
[04:42] <thoreauputic> australia :)
[04:43] <Port048> lol brain
[04:43] <LinuxJones> brain_v, Canada
[04:43] <RQ> hm
[04:43] <RQ> lithuania
[04:43] <Port048> pang @ brain
[04:43] <no0tic> italy
[04:43] <Port048> u?
[04:43] <tritium> brain_v, hi
[04:43] <brain_v> hi tritium!
[04:43] <brain_v> wow italy
[04:43] <arun--> CarlK: so it is the wireless tht is causing the difference?
[04:43] <RQ> so
[04:43] <no0tic> brain_v: wow... :(
[04:43] <RQ> no other clues about the file save/open boxes?
[04:44] <Port048> pangsnan brain
[04:44] <CarlK> arun-- - leme try a wire to the warty box
[04:44] <Port048> u?
[04:44] <Port048> ahh okay.. where?
[04:45] <Port048> ic.. dc ako
[04:45] <CarlK> arun-- - this isn't a good test - I never configed the box for wired, so nothing was ever setup
[04:45] <CoLoRiTaS> RQ, sveikas ;)
[04:46] <arun--> CarlK: is ok mate, thanks for your help, need to hit the sack ..
[04:47] <thanatosys> hello everyone
[04:48] <thanatosys> does anyone know how to make aterm and the window go entirely transparent with the exception of the text like in alot of gentoo screenshots? also ive noticed they are all using fluxbox
[04:49] <RQ> CoLoRiTaS, la
[04:49] <thoreauputic> thanatosys: aterm -tr +sb
[04:49] <CoLoRiTaS> RQ, usini Ubuntu?
[04:49] <RQ> CoLoRiTaS, who da hell? ;] 
[04:49] <RQ> usinu
[04:49] <thoreauputic> thanatosys: that loses the scrollbar as well
[04:49] <CoLoRiTaS> ir kaip atsiliepimai?
[04:49] <thanatosys> thanks
[04:50] <Mitario> RQ, hey! :)
[04:50] <thoreauputic> thanatosys: you can specify text colour/background  eg  -bg black -fg white and so on
[04:50] <RQ> hi Mitario
[04:50] <RQ> ;)
[04:50] <RQ> how ya doin'?
[04:50] <RQ> ;] 
[04:50] <thoreauputic> thanatosys: all the options are in the man page ;)
[04:50] <RQ> CoLoRiTaS, geri. :)
[04:50] <Assassinater> hey
[04:51] <Assassinater> i got the warty release is that one good?
[04:51] <Mitario> RQ, yeah, alright, you? :)
[04:51] <apokryphos> Assassinater: It's good but old; go for Hoary.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Assassinater: of course :)
[04:51] <RQ> Mitario, i'm cool :)
[04:51] <Assassinater> go for hoary?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: "old" as in a few months? woo
[04:51] <apokryphos> Assassinater: Latest distro, though technically "in developement"
[04:51] <Port048> will they give a free cd of hoary? hehe
[04:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: That's right. ;-)
[04:51] <RQ> ;] ] 
[04:52] <Assassinater> better to get warty or hoary?
[04:52] <RQ> Assassinater, warthy is 2 months old
[04:52] <RQ> hoary is fresh and not yet released
[04:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: everything is relative, I guess ;-)
[04:52] <Assassinater> new isnt always better
[04:52] <felix_1> Anyone tried hoary array-5 install ?
[04:52] <Assassinater> so ill get warty
[04:52] <thoreauputic> Assassinater: hoary is more likely to break
[04:52] <RQ> personally i don't think 2 months is OLD. there are older things out there. like debian. ;)
[04:52] <apokryphos> felix_1: Was that the one released on the 14th? Someone needs to update the topic.
[04:52] <BrianAnthony> hi
[04:53] <Assassinater> where are the screenies in the site?
[04:53] <felix_1> apokryphos: not 14th, 17th
[04:53] <RQ> Mitario, any news on bmp? ;] 
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> anyone in here running steam on cedega?
[04:53] <apokryphos> felix_1: Right. Nope; I'm running array 4 still. Might as well upgrade, actually.
[04:53] <Assassinater> hmm
[04:53] <Assassinater> does ubuntu only have gnome?
[04:54] <apokryphos> RQ: It isn't "old" in the sense that it has been out for two months, as you say. It is "old" in the sense that most people in here are running Hoary.
[04:54] <tritium> apokryphos, you can use apt to stay updated.  No need to reinstall with array-5
[04:54] <apokryphos> Assassinater: Nope. Has KDE too.
[04:54] <AngryClip> BrianAnthony: me
[04:54] <Assassinater> and Ice?
[04:54] <apokryphos> Assassinater: Hoary comes with KDE 3.3.2
[04:54] <BrianAnthony> Assassinater: You can get another WM you know
[04:54] <Assassinater> by apt-get?
[04:54] <arun> there are so many wirless routers around my place :) how do i know which one i am using right now ?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Port048: subscribe to the "announce" mailing list to get first chance at free Hoary Cds ;)
[04:54] <apokryphos> tritium: Yup, I know. That's what I meant. =)
[04:54] <Mitario> RQ, hmm, haven't been active over there for quite some time ;) I talk to descender sometimes still
[04:54] <BrianAnthony> AngryClip: Did you get that goddamned Mozilla ActiveX error?
[04:54] <AngryClip> BrianAnthony:  no, whem
[04:54] <apokryphos> Assassinater: Yup. Just an apt-get dist-upgrade does it
[04:54] <BrianAnthony> I got it, and I installed the plugin, but it's sitll the same
[04:54] <tritium> apokryphos, ok, :)
[04:54] <AngryClip> ^when
[04:55] <AngryClip> it jsut isntalled for me, it was quite nice
[04:55] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu with the GUI and then ran "mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/" as root from /home/ which reports "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy". I get "umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted" and lsofs of the 2 dirs gives nothing. Anyone know how to mount the harddisk?
[04:55] <Assassinater> where are the kde screens?
[04:55] <BrianAnthony> AngryClip: do you know what I'm talking about atleast?
[04:55] <apokryphos> Assassinater: You have to of course change yoru source.list
[04:55] <apokryphos> Assassinater: KDE screendump?
[04:55] <BrianAnthony> Assassinater: use ratpoison
[04:56] <Assassinater> i mean as in screenies
[04:56] <felix_1> apokryphos: I want to give a try to arry-5 because array-4 can't install grub on my system. I read that they fixed something in grub before february 17th. ...
[04:56] <AngryClip> BrianAnthony: no idea, you getting the error when you are trying to install it? or play it?>
[04:56] <BrianAnthony> play it
[04:56] <apokryphos> Assassinater: Well, I put up some of mine not so long ago: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14871
[04:56] <Riddell> Assassinater: which screenshots?
[04:56] <BrianAnthony> I can install just fine
[04:56] <AngryClip> which game
[04:56] <CarlK> arun-- no prob
[04:56] <BrianAnthony> but like the counter-Strike screen will come up
[04:56] <BrianAnthony> and then it will exit before the menu gets there
[04:57] <BrianAnthony> and I'm stuck with a 640x480 resolution until I restart X
[04:57] <AngryClip> has steam finished upating
[04:57] <RQ> apokryphos, hoary is buggy enough tho... i.e., now i'm having problems with ffox :)
[04:57] <BrianAnthony> Yeah
[04:57] <AngryClip> because sometimes it doesn't tell you
[04:57] <BrianAnthony> I downloaded the games just fine
[04:57] <AngryClip> has the icon changed
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Assassinater: I imagine KDE on Ubuntu looks like, er, KDE ;-)
[04:57] <BrianAnthony> AngryClip: the steam icon?
[04:57] <AngryClip> because it is weird, it says the game is ready to play but it really is not since steam is "working"
[04:57] <BrianAnthony> oh
[04:57] <BrianAnthony> wel
[04:58] <BrianAnthony> l
[04:58] <AngryClip> yeah hold on, I will find the thread
[04:58] <Assassinater> hey
[04:58] <BrianAnthony> I get the errors when it loads text
[04:58] <apokryphos> RQ: Eek. I've been on Hoary for some time, and to tell you the truth, I've only noticed one bug, and that's the "not being able to configure your panel", excluding repos dependencies problems.
[04:58] <pfefferkeks> which pakete I nead for QT programming?
[04:58] <Assassinater> is http://ubuntuguide.org
[04:58] <Assassinater> a good guide?
[04:58] <apokryphos> very good
[04:58] <AngryClip> Assassinater: ace
[04:58] <BrianAnthony> AngryClip: Do you know if Doom3 will install nicely =)
[04:58] <CarlK> tritium - now that I am done with networking fun... did you have any questions about krecipes?
[04:59] <apokryphos> RQ: Though, I Don't use ff myself, so I wouldn't have noticed it. Though, I have tried it a few times on Hoary.
[04:59] <AngryClip> BrianAnthony: haven't tried it, but I think I read somewhere it runs nicer on nix than win
[04:59] <AngryClip> BrianAnthony: I am sure there are linux binaries available for it
[04:59] <RQ> :) good for you
[04:59] <AngryClip> BrianAnthony: do a search on google
[04:59] <RQ> it's related to text spacing ;/
[04:59] <CarlK> tritium - I just installed it for the gf about 2 days ago - what is there is good, but it is a few steps behind Master Cook for windows
[05:01] <CarlK> tritium - but the main developer responds to forum posts daily, and seems interested in catching it up
[05:02] <apokryphos> Does no-one in here have access to change the topic?
[05:02] <arun--> CarlK: all the restart and the ifup, screwed my internet connection, and now the network connection applet got a problem :) doesnt want to refresh its status
[05:03] <CarlK> arun-- - I had to close all my ssh connections in and out of the box inorder to get "network stop" to stop
[05:04] <tritium> CarlK, no, thanks for asking, though.
[05:04] <Kwiat> hi there i'm new to programming on linux - do you know a good book (englisch or german) to start with? i'd like to start learning from the ground up
[05:04] <tritium> Kwiat, do you have a language in mind?
[05:04] <Kwiat> (language might be c/c++ or python)
[05:04] <apokryphos> Kwiat: Programming what? Depends on what you want to go into.
[05:05] <tritium> Kwiat, if you choose Python, you might read dive-into-python
[05:05] <tritium> Kwiat, I believe it's installed by default in the diveintopython package.
[05:06] <felix_1> Anyway I am actually downloading arr-5 : quite fast download :-) right now done dowloading 506MB iso ...
[05:06] <Kwiat> i bought two different books on c (introductions for beginners) and was somehow dissappointed because they were kinda boring (written)
[05:06] <Kwiat> tritium, do you mean its installed as an ebook?
[05:06] <apokryphos> felix_1: Same here; just started. And just finished ;-). Installing now.
[05:06] <tritium> Kwiat, no html
[05:07] <felix_1> (H)
[05:07] <Kwiat> tritium, dive-into-pyhton - is that kinda official standard lecture? python bible?
[05:07] <Kwiat> tritium, iis it understandable even for complete beginners
[05:08] <arun--> CarlK: like what you said, it is the auto eth1 problem in the interfaces file
[05:08] <arun--> CarlK: if auto eth1 is not there, and i do a restart, DHCPRELEASE on eth1 to 192.168.1.1 port 67, this is the last line
[05:08] <tritium> Kwiat, very good for beginners.
[05:08] <BrianAnthony> AngryClip: brian@ALFRED:~/TransGaming_Drive/Program Files/Valve/Steam1 $ cedega STEAM.exe
[05:08] <BrianAnthony> You need to install the Mozilla ActiveX control to
[05:08] <BrianAnthony> be able to view webpages in this application
[05:08] <Kwiat> tritium, thanks!i want to do some programming under/for ubuntu > gnome
[05:09] <Kwiat> tritium,i read that python is a good choice for beginners (instead of c)
[05:09] <arun--> CarlK: if auto eth1 is present, and i do a restart, it goes upto this line -> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7, after a DHCPRELEASE
[05:11] <CarlK> arun-- - I am assuing it gets an IP a few seconds later?
[05:12] <Kwiat> tritium, http://diveintopython.org/ says "Dive Into Python is a Python book for experienced programmers"
[05:12] <arun--> CarlK: yes, only when there is "auto eth1", it does the "start" part of the "restart" block
[05:12] <farruinn> Kwiat: /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/index.html <-- there are some links there
[05:12] <arun--> else, it does only the "stop" part of the restart block
[05:12] <CarlK> arun-- - seems like you have enough to file a bug report
[05:13] <apokryphos> I wonder if there's a way to tell which array you have. Would have thought a cat /etc/issue would mention it...
[05:13] <tritium> Kwiat, well, see what you think of it, in that case.
[05:13] <Kwiat> tritium, you're right. definately
[05:13] <arun--> CarlK: i am looking at the website, and where to do it
[05:14] <CarlK> isn't there an app installed?
[05:14] <CarlK> bug buddy or something
[05:14] <arun--> Applications->system tools->bug report tool
[05:15] <tritium> CarlK, were you trying to DCC with me?
[05:15] <tritium> Or was that you Kwiat ?
[05:15] <CarlK> not I
[05:15] <JCarax> hi people
[05:15] <tritium> Okay, whoever it was, it wasn't connecting
[05:15] <CarlK> arun-- which takes you to bugzilla.ubuntu.com - how handy ;)
[05:15] <ne0genius> hey guys .. i have my external firewire drive mounted .. how do i make it availabe under Computer (like floppy is) and show up on my desktop .. do i have to make a /mnt/folder and add it to fstab??
[05:16] <JCarax> Anyone succeded into setting tv-out properly with nVidia & x.org?
[05:16] <tritium> JCarax, yes
[05:16] <Kwiat> apokryphos, which book would you suggest - i'd like to experiment with python and learn some basic programming ideas for ive little experience in xhtml and java so far
[05:16] <JCarax> Tritium, would you share the config with this lost guy, please?
[05:16] <JCarax> :D
[05:17] <tritium> JCarax, sure.  I just read the README.gz in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx, and that explains how to set it up
[05:17] <tritium> Did you look at that?
[05:17] <JCarax> I had a overlook
[05:17] <JCarax> but not deep
[05:18] <LinuxJones> Kwiat, check this one out >> http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
[05:18] <felix_1> Wish me luck installing array-5! :-) c-you later today :-) -- oops: forgot I have to backup-burn my data before hehehe (H)
[05:18] <Kwiat> LinuxJones, thanks!
[05:18] <farruinn> Kwiat: that's the one I suggested - it's really well done I'd say
[05:18] <tritium> JCarax, oh, I see.
[05:19] <aplsin> ne0genius: it's _should_ automaticly mount itself and appear as an icon on the desktop, if not, there's a bug in ubuntu, gnome or udev/dbus/hal. :)
[05:19] <apokryphos> Kwiat: For Python I'd recommend a couple of online tutorials, rather than texts. Will give you link.
[05:19] <aplsin> (when you plug it in that is)
[05:19] <Kwiat> farruinn, thanks, i had no permission to view it - it's installed automatically on my hard drive featuring ubuntu linux, isnt it?
[05:19] <apokryphos> %tell Kwiat pytutorial
[05:19] <Pyre> Kwiat: http://www.hetland.org/python/instant-hacking.php
[05:20] <tar``> 'lo
[05:20] <farruinn> Kwiat: yeah, you should be able to open diveintopython in firefox
[05:20] <Kwiat> pyre, thanks - ah hetland, those guys from slashdot suggest reading him before "dive into python"
[05:20] <ne0genius> aplsin: it did automount nicely under /media/ .. but its not available to save to or show up on my desktop .. are ther options or a config file i could edit and ad it manually
[05:22] <JCarax> Ne0genius, I have the same problem with USB external drive
[05:22] <ne0genius> JCarax: no luck yet?
[05:23] <aplsin> ne0genius: aah.. well then atleast its partially working, but i dont know why it doesn't show up on the desktop. I'm not that into the internal workings of gnome :/
[05:23] <JCarax> ne0genius, nop
[05:23] <ne0genius> aplsin: me neither :(
[05:23] <JCarax> However, sometimes it does show up
[05:23] <JCarax> weird
[05:24] <ne0genius> JCarax: how do u unmount it properly? if its showing up under /media/
[05:24] <aplsin> ne0genius: if you don't get a solution here, try the forums or the mailing-list
[05:24] <tar``> I've had my Warty system for several months now and I'm starting to notice that opening applications is taking much, much longer than before. Has anyone else noticed this?
[05:24] <JCarax> ne0genius, it's properly mounted under /media
[05:25] <ne0genius> aplsin: cool thanks .. i was surprised it showed my HFS+ filesystem right off the bat .. so cool
[05:25] <ne0genius> JCarax: yeah .. but i'll need to unmount it right .. before i turn it off?
[05:25] <JCarax> and if you want to umount it just look at the fdisk to see with /dev/ it is and then umount it
[05:26] <JCarax> ne0genius, try "fdisk -l"
[05:26] <apokryphos> How can I change what X I'm using? I've got both Xfree and xorg intsalled; want to use xorg, ideally
[05:26] <farruinn> if you're in hoary you should be using xorg
[05:26] <JCarax> ne0genius, and you'll see the external disks
[05:26] <ne0genius> JCarax: its /dev/sda
[05:26] <JCarax> like "/dev/sda5"
[05:26] <aplsin> ne0genius: yeah i know, i've noticed ubuntu has pretty good support for most things out of the boxt. (been using it for less than a week so far)
[05:26] <farruinn> and really, afaik xfree86 is removed when xorg is installed
[05:27] <aplsin> boxt -> box
[05:27] <JCarax> ne0genius, so just "umount /dev/sda"
[05:27] <ne0genius> aplsin: im thrilled
[05:27] <Trigx300> hey does anyone here do desktop publishing (comp graphics) using scribus, the gimp, quark ece..
[05:27] <apokryphos> farruinn: Yeah, I *should* be. Is it right, though, that Xfree86 is running?
[05:27] <ne0genius> JCarax: cool thanks .. hopefully i can find a solution to the other problem soon
[05:27] <JCarax> ne0genius, good luck
[05:27] <ne0genius> JCarax: thx
[05:27] <apokryphos> farruinn: I'm almost entirely certain that I selected xorg as the default after the initial installation of it, but I see xfree still running.
[05:27] <JCarax> (First time I help someone here ;)
[05:28] <xoxox1> hello. i want to install Ubutu in User-Mode-Linux. anybody can please tell me any guide to do that?
[05:28] <felix_1> ... burning backup: 2.9 GB of stuff!!!! not to be ignored!
[05:28] <apokryphos> felix_1: Why backing up?
[05:28] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, are you sure that you have both xserver-xorg and xorg-common installed ?
[05:29] <farruinn> apokryphos: hm, so in top you see XFree86?
[05:29] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: Definitely, yes.
[05:29] <apokryphos> farruinn: Yup.
[05:29] <Kwiat> farruinn, what do you think what would be easier/funnier? to start with python or c? phython, i guess :)
[05:29] <farruinn> have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'?
[05:29] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, it should have removed xserver-xfree86 apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:29] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: Oh wait. Ergh .Xserver-xorg isn't installed. ;-)
[05:29] <farruinn> Kwiat: I think python is a good language to start with
[05:29] <aplsin> ne0genius: me too, this is the best "easy" distro i have used. (i'm an ex gentoo-user)
[05:29] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, install that and xserver-xfree86 will go away :)
[05:30] <apokryphos> So I see. Thanks.
[05:30] <Kwiat> farruinn, thanks a lot! yehaa, your all such nice people! open source is great!
[05:30] <Trigx300> anyone good with the gimp, and\or scribus
[05:30] <farruinn> Trigx300: if you have a gimp specific question I'm pretty sure there is #gimp
[05:30] <tar``> Has anyone else noticed slowdowns in application startup time after a few months usage?
[05:30] <Kwiat> im glad to start working at IBM this october, i'll choose the open source direction, sure!
[05:31] <kbrooks> Trigx300, irc.gimp.org
[05:31] <Trigx300> oh kool thanks
[05:31] <Kwiat> thank you all for your kind help - until then i'll start programming and exploring linux in depth
[05:32] <ne0genius> aplsin: i used gentoo for a while also .. those compiling times just killed me
[05:33] <Kwiat> farruinn, what about these books at o'really? some people think of oreally-stuff as the best way to go...?
[05:33] <aplsin> ne0genius: yeah i know.. but i stuck too it for about a year until last week. i gave up when "emerge -uD world" wanted too upgrade ~100 packages and one of them failed to compile. :)
[05:34] <goldfish> o reilly books are good
[05:34] <Trigx300> i have a gb sd card and id like to put a live linux on it pref. ubuntu can anyone help me?
[05:35] <Trigx300> 1GB*
[05:35] <jnk> hi
[05:35] <CarlK> Trigx300 - the CD goes in the CD drive ;)
[05:35] <CarlK> oh.. I get it...
[05:36] <CarlK> I was thinking "I have foo sound card... {"
[05:37] <Trigx300> i want to boot from the 1gb sd card
[05:37] <CarlK> yeah, got it now...
[05:37] <Trigx300> insted of cd
[05:37] <Trigx300> i tried coping the files but nothing
[05:37] <tar``> Okay, where is a better place to ask about these system slowdowns? The forums?
[05:38] <kbrooks> yes
[05:38] <jnk> anyone else experiencing problems with the reply characters that get prepended to the original message in evolution ?  If I reply to a mail and press enter several times to creates new lines, the original message goes down (that's ok) but the '>' characters don't move so I end up writing my answer beside the '>'...
[05:38] <tar``> Mkay. I'll try there then.
[05:38] <CarlK> Trigx300 - a CD is more than just the files - the boot stuff is in a seperate part
[05:38] <KING^^^> tritium:
[05:38] <tritium> KING^^^, hello.
[05:38] <jnk> (it's just a visual bug: it's corrected when the window is redrawn)
[05:39] <KING^^^> hello  tritium i need a little , what this means ? : 4) install your newly created java packages for Ubuntu
[05:39] <CarlK> Trigx300 - I don't know dink about booting from anthing other than CD, but try this: dd if=ubuntu.foo.iso of=/dev/sda
[05:39] <CarlK> (or /dev/sdwhatever your sd card is)
[05:39] <tritium> KING^^^, sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[05:39] <CarlK> make sure it isn't mounted, that could cause issues
[05:39] <Trigx300> i thought so but i was reeding dynadolic docs and it says to just copy
[05:40] <KING^^^> thanks a lot tritium
[05:40] <Trigx300> but you still need a boot loader
[05:40] <Kwiat> bye
[05:40] <tritium> KING^^^, sure.  Be sure to replace <package.deb> with the actual .deb you created ;)
[05:41] <KING^^^> yes yes tritium  :)
[05:41] <KING^^^> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:41] <KING^^^>  sun-j2sdk1.5
[05:41] <kbrooks> KING^^^, add sudo. ;)
[05:41] <KING^^^> i have added
[05:41] <KING^^^> dpkg: error processing sun-j2sdk1.5 (--install):
[05:41] <KING^^^>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:41] <KING^^^> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:41] <KING^^^>  sun-j2sdk1.5
[05:41] <Trigx300> ok i'll try thanks
[05:42] <kbrooks> put it all in a pastebin
[05:42] <KING^^^> in what ?
[05:42] <membreya> use blackdown :P
[05:42] <membreya> much easier
[05:44] <KING^^^> so ... ?
[05:45] <tritium> java-package is quite easy.  We'll get this resolved.  Don't worry
[05:45] <KING^^^> what is with that error ?
[05:45] <membreya> tritium: if all else fails..take the easy option :)
[05:45] <KING^^^> now it works my java ?
[05:46] <tritium> membreya, that goes against my engineering nature :)
[05:46] <tritium> I like to solve the problems ;)
[05:46] <membreya> I do internet banking support....always take the easiest option to get people up and running :P
[05:47] <farruinn> Anyone use irssi? I can't alt+num to change windows, it's getting on my nerves :/
[05:47] <goldfish> you should
[05:47] <goldfish> I use it.
[05:47] <goldfish> try esc + num
[05:47] <farruinn> I ca
[05:47] <aplsin> damn
[05:47] <tritium> KING^^^, can you go to www.pastebin.com  and paste some info?
[05:48] <bascule> in hoary, can anyone find a polypaudio plugin for xmms?
[05:48] <bascule> I couldn't
[05:48] <farruinn> arg, I don't like gnome-terminal when it crashes, thank god for screen
[05:48] <farruinn> goldfish: it's working now, I think it wasn't before because I had tabs
[05:48] <bascule> I have built one, and xmms it's self for that matter,cause the package segfaults
[05:48] <tritium> bascule, esound
[05:49] <thechitowncubs> Hello
[05:49] <bascule> esound works on polypaudio? well who 'da though it
[05:49] <KING^^^> what info tritium ?
[05:49] <stuNNed> farruinn: just out of curiousity, what is crashing gnome-terminal?
[05:49] <goldfish> farruinn: weird :)
[05:49] <tritium> bascule, polypaudio is a drop-in replacement for esound.  clients aren't supposed to know the difference
[05:49] <thechitowncubs> Recently comcase changed their dns servers and hostname and now my Ubuntu machine isn't working, but all the other windows computers are, is there something I should change to make it work?
[05:49] <farruinn> stuNNed: I was just had two tabs open, one with screen running irssi and one just running bash.  It froze, got the "application not responding"
[05:50] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: what are you using to connect? pppoe?
[05:50] <thechitowncubs> No
[05:50] <tritium> KING^^^, can you paste the errors you get?  Let me see the commands you run too.
[05:50] <thechitowncubs> just ethernet
[05:50] <stuNNed> farruinn: that's too bad, when using mutt/irssi here i just use screen and not tabs
[05:50] <hawke_> tritium: I find that it is not, and I have to kill it and start it manually in order for stuff to play via the esd method.
[05:50] <stuNNed> farruinn: but gnome-terminal has been unstable for me as well, at times
[05:50] <bascule> the polyp one from http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/xmms-polyp/ is fine too
[05:50] <tritium> hawke, yeah, it's quite buggy right now
[05:50] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: all machines connected to a router?
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> yes
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> MODEM ----- ROUTER ----COMPs
[05:51] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: shouldn't be a problem then, did you run 'dhclient eth0'? if wired.
[05:51] <membreya> thechitowncubs: DHCP? :)
[05:51] <hawke_> Anyone here know if there is any / what application to use for palm pilot syncing?  gnome-pilot/gpilotd runs fine...but I can't find any program to actually do anything with it.
[05:51] <bascule> it has one imrovemet over esound that I like, xmms oscilloscope goes at full speed :)
[05:52] <thechitowncubs> what if i don't want DHCP, i want a static IP to my comp
[05:52] <bascule> OK, next one:
[05:52] <bascule> kenny@Kript:~ $ glxinfo
[05:52] <bascule> Segmentation fault
[05:52] <bascule> kenny@Kript:~ $ glxgears
[05:52] <bascule> Segmentation fault
[05:52] <bascule> *shrug* ... anyone?
[05:52] <hawke_> bascule: Something wrong with libgl, I'd assume
[05:52] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: then add your static routes
[05:53] <bascule> OK, nvidia drivers in, so that would be a start
[05:53] <thechitowncubs> it would be great if you could help with that =D
[05:53] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: doesn't sound like a problem with comcast dns, sounds like a problem with static routes on your router and linux box
[05:53] <ftk> how can i enable the rear-output of my soundblaster?
[05:53] <membreya> tritium: did anyone? :) I did like a week ago :P
[05:53] <thundrcleeze> ftk, it's in the mixer
[05:54] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: i just use dhcp, sorry, don't deal with the hassle of static routes, and bind mac address to static ips in router interface
[05:54] <thechitowncubs> that DHclient command fixed my not being able to get onto the internet, thanks =D, but i would like to have a static ip
[05:54] <tritium> membreya, yeah, somebody today wanted my config file for nvidia tv-out.  What are you looking for?
[05:54] <ftk> thundrcleeze, question is rather where / which control is it
[05:54] <thechitowncubs> oh, ok
[05:54] <thechitowncubs> its that hard to do?
[05:54] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: that way the ip of boxen never changes but still using dhcp
[05:54] <membreya> tritium: happiness in life?
[05:54] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: if your router supports it, no.
[05:54] <thechitowncubs> i have a WRT54G
[05:55] <thechitowncubs> it supports about everything i throw at it
[05:55] <thundrcleeze> ftk, under the ALSA for me I think it's either Surround or PCM Surround
[05:55] <tritium> membreya, apt-get install it!   :)
[05:55] <membreya> tritium: ...your nerd side is showing :P
[05:55] <membreya> "package not found"
[05:55] <tritium> crap, maybe it's in multiverse?
[05:56] <membreya> all repo
[05:56] <tritium> :)
[05:56] <thechitowncubs> Stuned: the IP will not change?
[05:56] <membreya> s
[05:56] <membreya> enabled cap'n
[05:56] <tritium> heh
[05:56] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: no. not if you bind it to the mac address of the ethernet card
[05:56] <thechitowncubs> is that hard to do?
[05:57] <stuNNed> again, no.  it is easy to do.  and is done on the router side, not the linux box side.
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> he, ok... too much work
[05:57] <kbrooks> ok, i have a question
[05:58] <membreya> kbrooks: ...the answer is 42 (if you're searching for the meaning of life)
[05:59] <kbrooks> membreya, :|
[06:00] <kbrooks> i want to specify the number of superblocks to backup when i run mkfs -m 0 -j /dev/hdb2
[06:01] <hawke_> Is there a way to force/convince the gnome mixer program to use alsa in preference to oss?
[06:02] <stuNNed> hawke_: you should have two mixers, one oss and one alsa, afaik
[06:02] <membreya> kbrooks: as quoted by hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
[06:03] <kbrooks> how do i do this
[06:03] <ewhitten> (but what's the question?)
[06:03] <stuNNed> membreya: a friend gave me that in mp3 format, is it worth a listen?
[06:04] <membreya> stuNNed: it's better to read the book ...or watch the tv series...but well worth it :D
[06:04] <thundrcleeze> is there a way to scroll up a page in terminal, and if so, how?
[06:04] <membreya> tritium: would know what it's like ...he's a nerd :P
[06:04] <ewhitten> membreya:  or watch the upcoming movie this summer? ;)
[06:04] <meuserj|work> membreya, agreed..
[06:04] <membreya> we can smell our own
[06:04] <membreya> ewhitten: movie?! w00t! :D
[06:04] <hawke_> stuNNed: Aha, I didn't see that.  Thanks!
[06:04] <membreya> I don't really keep up on movies these days
[06:04] <tritium> membreya, meuserj|work funny ;)
[06:04] <arbeck> I've followed the directions in the guide, but none of my multimedia plugins work in firefox
[06:05] <farruinn> thundrcleeze: shift+page up
[06:05] <membreya> arbeck: what plugins?
[06:05] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, farruinn.
[06:05] <membreya> and what arch are you running?
[06:05] <ewhitten> membreya:  http://media.eod.com/hhgttg_high.mov
[06:06] <arbeck> membreya: quicktime, windows media, etc
[06:06] <CarlK> arbeck - im trying to get flash plugin to make sound... whats the url of what you tried?
[06:06] <Echylo> #finemusic -< for all your music chats! :p
[06:07] <arbeck> I followed the directions in the guide for this: How to install Multimedia Plug-in for Mozilla Firefox (Non-Pentium 4)?
[06:07] <Echylo> k nvm, just trying to launch a music channel
[06:07] <membreya> Echylo: what's that got to do with the price of bread?
[06:07] <Echylo> and where the are you talking about bread
[06:07] <membreya> it's a turn of phrase...but how do you turn a phrase? and is turn of phrase simply a turn of phrase
[06:08] <membreya> my head hurts
[06:08] <Echylo> I am just trying to launch up a channel where you can talk about music
[06:08] <Echylo> and use the music perl scripts
[06:08] <Echylo> so it's not annoying
[06:08] <membreya> all scripts are annoying ;)
[06:09] <Echylo> but if you make a new channel for it?
[06:09] <arbeck> membreya: I just get a little box telling me I need to install the plugins...
[06:10] <membreya> arbeck: when you click on the plugin ...what type of plugin does it say?
[06:10] <Echylo> ok then we don't launch a music channel
[06:10] <Echylo> bad idea :p
[06:10] <arbeck> membreya: unknown plugin
[06:11] <CarlK> rats - that doesn't look like it will help my soundless flash problem
[06:11] <membreya> hrm
[06:11] <membreya> what website arbeck
[06:11] <arbeck> everyone of them... but I've been testing quicktime on quicktime.com
[06:12] <tritium> membreya, anyway, what I had meant was what kind of tv-out info were you looking for?
[06:13] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: Heh. I've run into a few problems.
[06:13] <membreya> tritium: ....you should have asked a week ago when I couldnt get it working :P
[06:14] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: Currently don't have X... xorg ran into some errors. On re-installing Xfree it complained of failed dependencies, which seems weird enough.
[06:14] <Trigx300> i cant remember the comand to open an app with temp root access can anyone help me?
[06:14] <membreya> tritium: the only problem I have now is I want to run the TV as a second monitor ....to put my movies onto ..but it kept opening programs on the tv and I didnt want it to
[06:14] <membreya> Trigx300:
[06:14] <membreya> sudo
[06:14] <tritium> membreya, which vid card?
[06:14] <membreya> geforce 4000
[06:14] <Trigx300> sudo -?
[06:15] <membreya> ive got it set to clone right now
[06:15] <Trigx300> just sudo?
[06:15] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: Not entirely sure what I can do. Thinking of using dist-upgrade some way..
[06:15] <membreya> Trigx300: sudo loads the prog as root
[06:15] <mz2> how do i make a package "not kept back"
[06:15] <farruinn> Trigx300: yes, sudo [command]  or gksudo [command]  if the command is a gui app
[06:15] <membreya> so sudo <prog name>
[06:15] <Trigx300> ok thanks
[06:15] <tritium> membreya, are you using TwinView option?
[06:15] <membreya> Trigx300: or you can do sudo -s ;)
[06:15] <membreya> tritium: yup :)
[06:15] <tritium> hmm, works for me
[06:16] <membreya> tritium: it works for me too ..but it kept opening programs at random on the tv
[06:17] <tritium> JCarax, http://www.pastebin.com/244568
[06:17] <CarlK> membreya - how often does a program open? ;)
[06:17] <arbeck> membreya: out of ideas?
[06:17] <membreya> CarlK: .....gnome startup? :P ...opening browser etc
[06:17] <apokryphos> Hmm. Could perhaps anyone else help? Don't have X. Any way to re-install Hoary without CDs?
[06:17] <membreya> arbeck: I havent played that much :( most of my multimedia I just load in seperate progs
[06:18] <kbrooks> apokryphos, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:18] <farruinn> apokryphos: you were going to install xorg,right?
[06:18] <CarlK> membreya - I was invisioning you just sitting there, and every 10 secons another program would start itsself ;)
[06:18] <apokryphos> kbrooks: I just did one, which caused the problems, so that won't work. :(
[06:18] <apokryphos> farruinn: Yup. Ran into problems with xorg, tried to re-install xfree... it complained of failed depdendencies and whatnot.
[06:18] <membreya> CarlK: :P
[06:19] <kbrooks> apokryphos, what problems?
[06:19] <arbeck> membreya: i've had it working using mplayer in mandrake... but the mplayer-mozilla package only appears to work for pentium processors in apt
[06:19] <farruinn> apokryphos: I would install xorg, and if there are problems run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[06:19] <apokryphos> kbrooks: With xorg? There's a log file... would send it if I can figure out how.
[06:19] <farruinn> arbeck: it might be available as a source package
[06:20] <spiral> hi
[06:20] <apokryphos> farruinn: Ok, will try that.
[06:20] <membreya> oooo firefox update on the repos :D
[06:20] <farruinn> apokryphos: if you're running hoary you will want xorg I think:)
[06:20] <tritium> JCarax, does that help?
[06:22] <apokryphos> farruinn: On trying to install xorg-common, I'm told "xfree86-driver-fglrx-deve has unmet dependencies"
[06:22] <apokryphos> farruinn: Isn't this particularly weird? I'm not even installing anything relating to xfree
[06:22] <farruinn> you might try removing everything xfree86 first
[06:23] <arbeck> farruinn: well... there is mplayer-custom which is supposed to be compiled from source, but I couldn't make it work
[06:23] <Cerberus> are there any programs like visual C++ in windows for Linux?
[06:25] <hummm> evening, can someone help me with gdb. Cant debug it with it, it just prints "init.c no such file or directory"
[06:25] <hummm> :/
[06:25] <bratwalls> hi
[06:25] <kq> hello, my name is santiago and i'm a freelance writer for a tech magazine in argentina.  i've been compiling some suggestions for the ubuntu developers, and i was wondering what would be the best medium for contacting them...
[06:25] <apokryphos> farruinn: Right, done. Sorry, what was the reconfigure command again? Can't figure out how to scroll up in this thing. :)
[06:26] <farruinn> apokryphos: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:26] <goldfish> apokryphos: page up
[06:26] <goldfish> scrolls up in irssi
[06:26] <bratwalls> I would like to acquire an ibook, but don't know about wifi usb compatibility with Ubuntu (because airport extreme seems to be not supported)
[06:26] <bratwalls> any idea?
[06:26] <apokryphos> goldfish: Ergh. Heh. I presumed it wasn't going to work because could get normal command line to scroll up with that. Thanks.
[06:27] <goldfish> np :)
[06:27] <bratwalls> powerbooks seems to be fine also, to use it with pcmcia wifi card, but I prefer ibook (they are cheaper)
[06:27] <apokryphos> farruinn: On now selecting the desired xserver, xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-dbg comes up. What is the latter?
[06:28] <farruinn> apokryphos: sounds like xorg with debugging built in, I don't think that's what you want.
[06:28] <apokryphos> k
[06:29] <cybane> Do you make mount points just like you make directories
[06:29] <farruinn> yeah, mkdir /mnt/whatever
[06:30] <farruinn> sudo mkdir that is
[06:30] <cybane> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0,
[06:30] <cybane>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:30] <cybane> sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[06:31] <cybane> what did I do wrong?
[06:32] <jono> hi all
[06:32] <goldfish> hey
[06:33] <jono> is it know that a recent dist-upgrade makes the taskbar in gnome not display programs?
[06:34] <tritium> jono, all up-to-date here without that problem.  Did you see if any packages were removed?
[06:35] <apokryphos> farruinn: Looks promising. Going to reboot.
[06:35] <kq> well let's say it again: my name i santiago roza, i'm a freelance writer for a tech magazine, and i was trying to contact (some) ubuntu developers.
[06:35] <farruinn> kq: #ubuntu-devel or the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[06:36] <membreya> to add additional codecs to mplayer I need to recompile it correct?
[06:37] <kq> thanks a lot, farruinn
[06:38] <cybane> What do you when the floppy will not unmount?
[06:39] <no0tic> hi
[06:39] <wizz33> i have the same problem as jono
[06:39] <membreya> cybane: umount with a -l option
[06:39] <jono> tritium, wizz33 yeah, not sure what the problem is
[06:39] <wizz33> about 50% of my icons have disappeard
[06:40] <no0tic> when I plug an usbstick it doens't show up on desktop even if it has been mounted automagically. It showed up once, then it didn't anymore
[06:40] <Deft> no0tic, there's a bug or three in the bugzilla about that
[06:41] <no0tic> Deft: I will take a look
[06:41] <CarlK> does the basic install auto partition with no choices, or does it stop and ask you?
[06:42] <cybane> thanks mem
[06:42] <membreya> np
[06:43] <wizz33> icons like evo, the help icon, all my desktop icons wich are a .iso .zip .txt.
[06:44] <itga> I have qoestion about Promise PDC 20378 RAID
[06:45] <itga> I can not install on ubuntu, Does it support that RIAD CARDM
[06:45] <cybane> Why is that whenever I try to mount the floppy the names of the files will come up but the files have 0 bytes
[06:45] <farruinn> CarlK: it will ask whether you want to erase the entire harddrive or partition it manually
[06:45] <membreya> itga: what does it say in dmesg?
[06:45] <cybane> then when I try to unmount it will say that it is mounted multiple times
[06:45] <membreya> cybane: bad disk? :)
[06:46] <cybane> works under any windows OS
[06:46] <cybane> has my resume on it
[06:46] <itga> membreya: i can not remmember, but it can use SATA feature
[06:46] <goldfish> bash: unmount: command not found
[06:46] <goldfish> any reason i shud be getting that?
[06:46] <membreya> goldfish: cos it's umount
[06:46] <itga> I have 2 HDD with bios RAID 1 configure
[06:47] <cybane> the unmount command is umount
[06:47] <goldfish> membreya: lol
[06:47] <goldfish> haha
[06:47] <goldfish> Sorry :)
[06:47] <itga> but when I boot ubuntu SATA for 2 appear, What's wrong?
[06:48] <dredg> ubuntu probably doesn't support the bios raid but supports the sata controller
[06:48] <membreya> itga: im not much help, i dont use raid
[06:48] <membreya> itga: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1
[06:50] <apokryphos> farruinn: Right. Got X back (woo). But resolution refuses to go higher than 640x480.
[06:50] <itga> membreya: Oh, your answer it make me feel good with this community
[06:50] <farruinn> apokryphos: are you using the correct video driver?
[06:51] <membreya> itga: as I said..sorry dude, I've no experience with RAID so I can only provide web references :(
[06:51] <itga> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1 : software RAID
[06:51] <farruinn> apokryphos: as in what's described at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:51] <apokryphos> farruinn: I selected "nv" (the default); should I have gone for nvidia
[06:51] <farruinn> apokryphos: iirc that's only if you have the binary drivers installed
[06:52] <apokryphos> for nvidia, right?
[06:52] <mattw> is there a hoary specific channel or are hoary questions welcome here?
[06:52] <itga> membreya: It's enough
[06:53] <farruinn> apokryphos: take a look at that wiki page, you need to install nvidia-glx first
[06:53] <tritium> apokryphos, nvidia for binary drivers in linux-restricted-modules, nv otherwise
[06:54] <no0tic> Deft: I read bugzilla, but it refers to warty, I assumed. On hoary there's still the same issue
[06:55] <apokryphos> farruinn: brb
[06:57] <jon__> Hello, has anyone had any luck or got any suggestions on how I could get 3D support for my ATI graphics card?
[06:58] <faassen> anyone has problems logging back into gnome after logging out to gdm in hoary?
[06:58] <jon__> Its a Mach64 chipset in my Compaq M700
[06:58] <apokryphos> farruinn: Excellent stuff; xorg up and running smoothly.
[06:58] <helio7> apokryphos: did you try installing the nvidia driver like this?  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[06:59] <farruinn> helio7: I thought ubuntuguide.org was for warty?
[06:59] <cybane> OPEN OFFICE FTW!!
[06:59] <apokryphos> helio7: Yeah, already did that on xfree. Just had to use nvidia instead of nv driver.
[06:59] <faassen> when I log out to gdm and log back in, I get the cursor and then tings just hang forever.
[06:59] <faassen> things.
[07:00] <apokryphos> farruinn: I think it is primarily, but a lot of things are necessarily applicable to both.
[07:00] <jon__> Is Xorg easy to set up?
[07:00] <mattw> does polyp work at all with gstreamer in hoary?
[07:00] <jon__> I'm thinking it may have better support for my Mach64 ATI chipset.
[07:00] <helio7> farruinn I think that section is still applicable, although I'm not sure...  was just checking to see where in the process he was... apokryphos so you fixed it/
[07:00] <Sionide> huzzah
[07:00] <tritium> mattw, not very well
[07:00] <apokryphos> jon__: Reasonable ;-). If you don't come into errors; just did it.
[07:01] <tritium> mattw, you have to kill and restart it with each gnome-session to get it working
[07:01] <apokryphos> helio7: Yup. :) Nice to have X back. Being without X is always a nice challenge though. Unless you cheat on IRC :P
[07:02] <faassen> I guess nobody has the logout/login problem on hoary..hm..weird.
[07:03] <helio7> apokryphos: being without X is my least favorite part... I don't mind doing everything by command line but tried installing gentoo recently on a machine and spend hours and hours longing to have my X back with no success... when I upgraded to hoary I lost it temporarily and kindof panicked lol
[07:03] <mamadou> hoary
[07:03] <apokryphos> helio7: Heh, I know the feeling. My brother installed Gentoo; three days in command line. :P
[07:03] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i must be better at gentoo :P i can get it going in about a day.
[07:04] <mamadou> gentoo kinda su**
[07:04] <Dr_willis> Of course if you use the premade packages its faster.. but that first update can take forever.
[07:04] <cybane> If I wanted to upgrade to Openoffice 1.1.4 what would be the best way to do that?
[07:04] <Dr_willis> Gentoo is a tool. :P it has its pros and cons.
[07:04] <apokryphos> It seems like a real nice distro from what I've see on it; very very fast, and emerge seems excellent. It's just the original installation that seems real silly.
[07:05] <helio7> excellent, powerful distro from what I've heard from lotsa smart linux-folks I know but a little bit too time-consuming for my tastes... I've also heard lots of respect for ubuntu in the #gentoo channel
[07:05] <apokryphos> That channel is hu-uge
[07:05] <mamadou> Am I on ubuntu channel ?
[07:06] <apokryphos> cybane: I think you would have to do it manually, by getting source or .deb package.
[07:06] <apokryphos> mamadou: You are. :)
[07:06] <mamadou> aha
[07:06] <mamadou> I'd like some info from you dudes
[07:06] <Dr_willis> apokryphos,  yea - they could make the install better.. but i tend to ssh into the box i am installng it on. and just cut/paste from the install guide.
[07:07] <mamadou> how can I upgrade to kde3.3 ?
[07:07] <apokryphos> mamadou: You running hoary?
[07:07] <mamadou> no
[07:07] <mamadou> warty
[07:07] <apokryphos> Dr_willis: Sounds like a good idea
[07:08] <mamadou> (hoary is kinda hard to find)
[07:08] <tkz> Any idea how to go about fixing problems with wep encryption in wireless network connection?
[07:08] <apokryphos> mamadou: Would be a long process; would need to compile from source I presume, or get some type of package. Hoary comes with kde 3.3.2, I recommend doing that.
[07:08] <apokryphos> mamadou: Heh. All you have to do is change your sources and do a apt-get dist-upgrade.
[07:08] <apokryphos> mamadou: not that hard ;-)
[07:09] <cybane> I am going to be chaning to FVWM2 when my brother gets time to come around help me with it.  He has been using Linux forever and offered his help
[07:09] <mamadou> oh I just installed ubuntu
[07:09] <Dr_willis> apokryphos,  of course once ya get it installed... you rarely need to do it again :P
[07:09] <apokryphos> Dr_willis: Might try Gentoo in the coming weeks if I get bored enough.
[07:10] <mamadou> ubuntu suits my tastes
[07:10] <apokryphos> :)
[07:10] <tkz> don't go gentoo-way... been there, done that, got sick of compiling...
[07:11] <mamadou> but I was kinda believing that I could get kde 3.3 as it was not on my original iso
[07:11] <jmob> The benefits of compiling aren't worth the costs.
[07:11] <Sionide> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH  <-- anyone how what compiler i need??
[07:11] <cybane> You can get KDE for warty you just have to do all the work to get it on there
[07:11] <apokryphos> mamadou: Are you on dial-up?
[07:11] <jmob> Gentoo is based on a fairly fundamentally faulty assumption that compiling makes everything better.
[07:11] <mamadou> nan
[07:11] <apokryphos> Sionide: Get the build-essential package from the repos
[07:12] <mamadou> I am on some 2Mo dsl
[07:12] <apokryphos> jmob: Still, the emerge library looks pretty hu-uge. ;-) But I agree, compiling everything would be an extreme gratuitous hassle pehraps.
[07:12] <mamadou> (ppp0e and all thart)
[07:12] <apokryphos> mamadou: Cool, I'd recommend just upgrading to Hoary.
[07:13] <Sionide> apokryphos, alright
[07:13] <jmob> Getting code compiled for your processor can be a good thing... but for most people it doesn't matter -- and gcc optimizations are crap.
[07:13] <mamadou> but the fact is that this version looks kinda unstable
[07:13] <jon__> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7200.html
[07:13] <jon__> 3d Accel with ATI Mach64 Hopefully
[07:13] <apokryphos> mamadou: It's technically in developement, but like I've said, I haven't found any signficant problems and only found one actual bug.
[07:14] <jmob> apokryphos: huge, maybe, but how well maintained, Gentoo has a reputation for having a developer turnaround worse than fast food places turns around employees.
[07:14] <apokryphos> hehe
[07:14] <mamadou> is it necessary to upgrade to HOARY?
[07:14] <Sionide> lemme get this straight, if i got a cd from the shipit thingy, will i automatically get another one when hoary is released?
[07:15] <Dr_willis> Im getting where i dont want/need to be cutting edge. :P
[07:15] <apokryphos> mamadou: Not necessary, of course, but I'd recommend it. Particularly if you're looking to install kde 3.3.2
[07:15] <mamadou> aha
[07:15] <jmob> apokryphos: if you've used Gentoo for 6 months, hung out in the IRC channel, and fixed a couple things, bam, you're a developer!
[07:15] <Guybrush|Numb> LOL!
[07:15] <mamadou> why do you recommend it is not necessary ?
[07:16] <mamadou> (if)
[07:16] <apokryphos> jmob: Hehe. Sounds like a Linux rehabilitation centre :P
[07:16] <jmob> apokryphos: not exactly the kind of developer background most distros are looking for.
[07:16] <Guybrush|Numb> jmob: then that makes me a debian guru ?!? :-P
[07:16] <looksaus> what is the easiest way to let someone who is on the same LAN and using MS Windows share my desktop?
[07:16] <apokryphos> mamadou: It's the "latest" distro.
[07:16] <Sionide> looksaus, samba
[07:16] <jmob> Guybrush|Numb: maybe by Gentoo standards ;)
[07:16] <looksaus> something vnc based? or xdmcp
[07:16] <sys2> hay, anyone on amd64? :>
[07:16] <Sionide> looksaus, oh right, vnc yeah
[07:16] <mamadou> I don't need the "latest"
[07:16] <Sionide> i think it's built into ubuntu
[07:17] <jmob> sys2: I am, on my computer at home.
[07:17] <sys2> doh
[07:17] <Sionide> it's called remote desktop or something? agh, cant remember now..
[07:17] <mamadou> I want one that works fine dude
[07:17] <sys2> i want the kernel config
[07:17] <sys2> :P
[07:17] <apokryphos> mamadou: You sure don't, which is why I said it wasn't necessary
[07:17] <sys2> the kernels i build just plain out lags
[07:17] <sys2> :/
[07:17] <mamadou> ah ok
[07:17] <jmob> sys2: why? the default ubuntu kernel works well
[07:17] <sys2> its not the ubuntu kernel :>
[07:17] <apokryphos> mamadou: However, to repeat, you did say you wanted kde 3.3. The easiest way to get that (especially if you've got dsl) is to upgrade to hoary. What you do is up to you.
[07:17] <sys2> its for my distro :P
[07:17] <sys2> or .. the distro i use
[07:17] <jmob> sys2: linux-image-2.6.10-amd64 something
[07:17] <helio7> mamadou: because hoary supports kde by default.  in April it will be live, but now it's working a few kinks out.  If you're new to linux you might just try sticking with gnome for a bit or trying something light like fluxbox for a while until hoary is considered "stable" Still it's easier to deal with a fully supported KDE on hoary than hacking it together yourself on warty... either way you are risking something I guess
[07:18] <apokryphos> sys2: See the tweaking thread in the forums
[07:18] <jmob> sys2: steal the kernel config from the ubuntu kernel then
[07:18] <Guybrush|Numb> is hoary upgrade safe enough ?
[07:18] <ssamf> will wlan-ng drivers work with the gnome-network tool by hoary final
[07:18] <sys2> jmob, yeah .. thats what imn trying to do
[07:18] <sys2> thereby i asked if someone was on an amd64 :>
[07:18] <faassen> so really nobody has problems in hoary logging back into gnome from gdm after logging out once?
[07:18] <faassen> it works for all you guys?
[07:18] <Guybrush|Numb> faassen: it works for me
[07:18] <faassen> it really frustrated the heck out of me yesterday.
[07:19] <helio7> faassen I don't; what's the screen look like when you log out?
[07:19] <ssamf> faassen yes
[07:19] <Guybrush|Numb> faassen: what's ur prob ?
[07:19] <faassen> I tried killing random processes, removing the tmp directory.
[07:19] <faassen> log into gnome as a user.
[07:19] <ssamf> faassen it works
[07:19] <faassen> log out.
[07:19] <faassen> arrive at gdm screen.
[07:19] <faassen> log back in.
[07:19] <sys2> dammit ... i forgot .. deb packages :>
[07:19] <faassen> get a cursor, but blank screen.
[07:19] <faassen> panel never appears, nothing does.
[07:19] <Pluk> looks like gnome-panel screwing up
[07:19] <mamadou> aha
[07:19] <Guybrush|Numb> which is the last spawned process ?
[07:19] <mamadou> I see
[07:19] <faassen> Pluk: possibly, though no left-clicking either.
[07:20] <Guybrush|Numb> faseen: which is the last spawned process ?
[07:20] <faassen> or is that right clicking?
[07:20] <faassen> Guybrush|Numb: good question, but I'm not with my laptop right now.
[07:20] <Guybrush|Numb> just ALT+F1
[07:20] <Guybrush|Numb> faaseen: login on the console and check with ps -auxww
[07:20] <thorN> Is telnet a remote shell prompt?
[07:20] <faassen> oh, that's antoher issue.
[07:20] <jmob> faassen: I had that problem with my laptop yesterday, or a similar problem, rebooting fixed it for some reason
[07:20] <faassen> Guybrush|Numb: I'm not witht he laptop.
[07:20] <faassen> jmob: I rebooted it forever.
[07:20] <faassen> anyway, consoles didn't work.
[07:21] <faassen> whenever I went to a console, it bounces me happily bakc to gdm.
[07:21] <Guybrush|Numb> faaseen: i did not mean for you to tell me now :-)
[07:21] <faassen> or the logged in gnome, I think.
[07:21] <jmob> faassen: heh, okay, you shouldn't rely on reboot in Linux anyway :)
[07:21] <faassen> I know about ps -aux (ww I don't understand)
[07:21] <faassen> jmob: yeah, which is why I positively hated this.
[07:21] <Sionide> woo loads of stuff needs an upgrade:s
[07:21] <Guybrush|Numb> faaseen: wide, ignores columns
[07:21] <jmob> faassen: ps auxwww lists everything
[07:21] <faassen> okay, I'll try some wwww :)
[07:21] <Sionide> i just marked all upgrades, there's about 102.. heh *leaves it going for a while*
[07:21] <Guybrush|Numb> =)
[07:22] <helio7> anyone know how to control volume from the command line? I'm in fluxbox atm and haven't bothered installing some volume control tool
[07:22] <selinium_> how do i find out what my ip address is?
[07:22] <apokryphos> selinium_: whatismyip.com
[07:22] <hawke_> selinium_: ifconfig -a
[07:22] <cocol> hwatismyip.com
[07:22] <cocol> whatismyip.com
[07:23] <jono> anyone know when the graphical boot is going to be in hoary?
[07:23] <hawke_> helio7: alsamixer ?
[07:24] <faassen> anyway, thanks, I'll check things out again when I'm home in a bit.
[07:24] <Guybrush|Numb> faaseen: good luck
[07:24] <helio7> hawke_ thanks a bunch ! I was being deafened my my sister's instant messages in gaim lol
[07:24] <hawke_> helio7: hehe
[07:25] <hawke_> helio7: No problem
[07:26] <mamadou> helio7 how do u xplain this : I wanted a kde and the one i got is not the lastest
[07:27] <Riddell> mamadou: what did you get?
[07:27] <helio7> mamadou: how did you install it? via apt-get or synaptic?
[07:27] <mamadou> 3.2.3
[07:27] <mamadou> sinaptic
[07:27] <Riddell> mamadou: then you are using warty
[07:27] <mamadou> yes
[07:28] <mamadou> i got it w/ gnome only
[07:28] <eli> Mozilla/Firefox can not see network printers defined in cups? Anybody knows how to solve this?
[07:29] <smallstar> hi, hi
[07:30] <mamadou> so i got kde trough the synaptic
[07:30] <mamadou> and it is not the 3.3
[07:30] <apokryphos> mamadou: I've told you that warty sources won't have kde 3.3
[07:30] <selinium_> Cheers guys for the ip address help!
[07:31] <apokryphos> mamadou: You can install kde through synaptic, but only in hoary.
[07:31] <apokryphos> *kde 3.3
[07:31] <Anubis> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[07:31] <mamadou> i did it w/ warty
[07:31] <mamadou> 4 sure
[07:31] <Anubis> 99% [3 Packages gzip 0]  [Query] 
[07:31] <Anubis> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[07:31] <Anubis> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[07:31] <Anubis>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[07:32] <apokryphos> mamadou: You almost certainly didn't install kde 3.3 through synaptic, with warty. You can't; the repos don't have it.
[07:32] <Anubis> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:32] <Dr_willis> Hmm.  Just printed out http://filtered.typepad.com/markjones/2004/04/enough_intellit.html - and it is like missing a page.. print prview is all messed also.
[07:32] <mamadou> ok ok
[07:32] <Dr_willis> useing firefox. anyone care to double check in their print preview?
[07:32] <mamadou> the magazine i got the cd from said the contrary
[07:32] <eli> Anybody has managed to get networked printers to appear in mozilla/firefox?
[07:32] <Dr_willis> eli,  mine works :P
[07:33] <mamadou> this linux mags are all dope
[07:33] <Dr_willis> eli,  i got a cheap $50 parallel-network adapator for my laserjet6l
[07:33] <mamadou> 100% dope!
[07:33] <apokryphos> mamadou: It said kde 3.*3* was available with warty?
[07:33] <eli> Dr_willis: do you see the list of printers in mozilla/firefox?
[07:33] <mamadou>  yes
[07:33] <mamadou> they say i could get it trough sinaptic
[07:33] <mamadou> this is scandalous!
[07:33] <bretzel> Just finished installing Hoary array-cd #5 !! The installation went --- PERFECT --- !!! :-):-);-)
[07:34] <apokryphos> mamadou: Well, I'm sorry to hear that. The only way you can is if you've got hoary.
[07:34] <Dr_willis> eli,  Hmm i think i saw it say 'laser' :P i just got the 1 printer. so it aint much of a list
[07:34] <mamadou> sh*t
[07:34] <Dr_willis> printer: pop down menu. shows laser. :P i configured the printer with the gnome-prnt tool is all i did.
[07:34] <mamadou> that fake linux mags took advantage of me
[07:34] <eli> Dr_willis: I have 3 printers: a network printer, and 2 printers attached to a windows machine. Can not see either of them in mozilla or firefox.
[07:35] <mamadou> they can go hell
[07:35] <Dr_willis> eli,  the gnome-printing tool sees them all?
[07:35] <eli> Dr_willis: yes, this is the printing tool in the Computer tab?
[07:35] <JDigital> Can anyone help me with ssh? When I connect, it gets as far as accepting my password and stalls. The cursor just blinks. What's odd is that if I mistype my password it'll tell me "wrong password", so everything is fine until I successfully enter the correct password. Whereupon it just flashes the cursor at me instead of saying "welcome to teh server!!1"
[07:35] <JDahl> mamadou, just dist-upgrade to Hoary in a few months, and all will be swell
[07:35] <mamadou> okok other question for ya dudes :
[07:35] <eli> Dr_willis: and the printers are seen ok in open office.
[07:36] <Dr_willis> eli,  no clue then.  kde's browser sees them?
[07:36] <Dr_willis> or gnomes browser?
[07:36] <JDigital> hey, a fellow JD
[07:36] <mouche> can anyone tell me how to enable a hibernate or at least standby (like in WinXP) mode in warty?
[07:36] <mamadou> I got a soud problem
[07:36] <mamadou> (sound)
[07:36] <Dr_willis> mouche,  heh - it can be more of a hastle then its worth.
[07:36] <Dr_willis> hassle
[07:36] <eli> Dr_wilis: what is the gnome browser?
[07:37] <mouche> Why is that Dr-willis?
[07:37] <apokryphos> eli: nautilus?
[07:37] <Guybrush|Numb> mouche: my tests lead to believe there no way to use suspend to ram on warty with NFORCE2 :-|
[07:37] <eli> Dr_wilis: nautilus does not have any printing option, in my installation
[07:37] <mouche> I'd be happy frankly if I could just get the backlight to turn off without locking up the machine
[07:38] <Guybrush|Numb> lol
[07:38] <thorN> Should I install telnetd on another computer to telnet it?
[07:38] <Dr_willis> heh.. what laptop is this mouche?
[07:38] <Dr_willis> thorN,  telnet is old... use ssh.
[07:39] <mouche> Compaq presario 900
[07:39] <Dr_willis> and insecure.
[07:39] <zenrox> thorN, use ssh
[07:39] <delltony> is there a winrar equiv in linux? or just simply use unrar?
[07:39] <Dr_willis> mouche,  there may be some tweaks/tools out just for that make/model. My sony vaio had a lot of  extra tools
[07:39] <crimsun> delltony: or rar.
[07:39] <Dr_willis> delltony,  thers no 'rar gui' type tool like winrar - that ive seen.
[07:39] <Trigx300> hey im trying to open a prog with sudo what should  put after the -  the its a gui app
[07:39] <zenrox> crimsun, its rar-2.80
[07:39] <thorN> Ah I see
[07:40] <hawke_> delltony: ark and/or file-roller may support rar via unrar
[07:40] <thorN> Does SSH work like telnet?
[07:40] <mouche> Thanks Dr_willis, I'll google it.  Mysterious behaviour in general with this machine on log-outs and reboots
[07:40] <jmob> Dr_willis: there is
[07:40] <hawke_> thorN: Pretty much
[07:40] <zenrox> thorN,  yes
[07:40] <delltony> ok was wondering cause i know if you click on a rar it wants to open it with x-rar
[07:40] <delltony> so i was kinda wondering thanks
[07:40] <thorN> Because I'm confused between (X)INETD and SSH
[07:40] <Dr_willis> jmob,  tere is now? :P cool. i tend to use 'mc' to do that work..
[07:40] <apokryphos> Trigx300: a plain sudo in front should work fine.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> thorN,  xinted starts a service as needed..
[07:40] <farruinn> Trigx300: you should use 'gksudo [app] ' for a gui app
[07:40] <Dr_willis> xinetd. :P
[07:41] <jmob> Dr_willis: The GNOME archive manager thing knows how to manage them if you have rar/unrar installed
[07:41] <thorN> lol, oops
[07:41] <dere1> i am sure this gets asked all the time... i have not yet read the manual so have my flame suit on
[07:41] <mouche> reckless noob question here:  am I traumatizing my installation when I simply hold down the power button to shut the thing off?
[07:41] <Dr_willis> jmob,  cool. thats good and bad i guess. :P every time i see an RAR file - i think .. yea another silly new file format.  it has its usses - but i see it used when its NOT needed/best answer
[07:41] <hawke_> mouche: somewhat, yes
[07:41] <mouche> no ill effects so far
[07:41] <thorN> I'll apt-get SSH server and try that, thanks chaps
[07:42] <dere1> is there a reasonably easy way to convert an existing debian install to ubuntu?
[07:42] <Dr_willis> thats a KICK in the head shutdown. :
[07:42] <Trigx300> command not found
[07:42] <jmob> thorN: xinetd is a super server, there's pretty much no relation between xinetd and ssh other than the server bit
[07:42] <hawke_> mouche: It's not the recommended way to shut down. :-)
[07:42] <farruinn> Trigx300: what are you trying to run?
[07:42] <mamadou> the cd player is on but i don't hear any sound!
[07:42] <Trigx300> mldonkey
[07:42] <mouche> funny derel, I was wondering about the reverse-- converting warty to debian
[07:42] <hawke_> mouche: But if you experience no ill effects, no problem right?
[07:42] <jmob> thorN: sshd is a standalone "secure shell" server
[07:42] <thorN> OK, I understand (i think)
[07:42] <dere1> mamadou: that would be a good module for a wife...
[07:42] <farruinn> Trigx300: ok, I'm not going to ask why you want to do that, but don't
[07:43] <dere1> the wife is one but i don't hear any sound! ;)
[07:43] <mamadou> ?
[07:43] <dere1> er s/one/on
[07:43] <mamadou> i don't see
[07:43] <thorN> Can I get FTP to run through SSH?
[07:43] <Trigx300> whys that?
[07:43] <hawke_> thorN: there's 'sftp' which lets you do similar things to ftp
[07:43] <mamadou> what ya mean derel ?
[07:43] <jmob> thorN: you can get sftp to run through ssh
[07:43] <dere1> it was a joke
[07:43] <mamadou> aha
[07:43] <dere1> you had said that the cd was on but you couldn't hear anything
[07:43] <thorN> At the moment I have VSFTPD running through INETD
[07:43] <mamadou> british humour i suppose ?
[07:43] <hawke_> thorN: as well as 'scp'
[07:43] <evarlast> sshd can run standalone, OR via inetd/xinetd.
[07:43] <thorN> I don't think it's very secure, and doesn't do passive mode
[07:44] <dere1> my joke was a lot of guys wouldn't mind a module like that for their wives
[07:44] <thorN> right, I've heard of those
[07:44] <Trigx300> isnt it a p2p app?
[07:44] <dere1> i.e. they could "mute" their wives
[07:44] <jmob> evarlast: but why
[07:44] <jmob> evarlast: for tcpwrappers or something?
[07:44] <evarlast> jmob: I don't see any good reason to run sshd via inetd, except on VERY low memory systems where you don't want it memory resident.
[07:44] <farruinn> Trigx300: you don't want to be running any old thing as root because root can do anything it wants
[07:45] <evarlast> jmob: sshd respects tcpwrappers itself, so you don't need inetd for that.
[07:45] <mamadou> still don't see what is behind this monkey ass joke !
[07:45] <jmob> mamadou: is your cd-rom volume muted?
[07:45] <farruinn> Trigx300: you only use sudo when you need to modify your system in some way (eg installing software) but something like a p2p app just run as your normal user
[07:45] <mamadou> no
[07:45] <mamadou> it is on
[07:45] <jmob> mamadou: is your cd-rom hooked up to your sound card?
[07:45] <hawke_> Trigx300: I agree with farruinn, with the addition that it's especially true of programs that do loads of networking stuff, as mldonkey does.
[07:45] <mamadou> i use alsamixer
[07:45] <Trigx300> is just that it wont open
[07:46] <echylo> heeelp
[07:46] <farruinn> Trigx300: do you get an error?
[07:46] <mamadou> (all the staff is at max)
[07:46] <Trigx300> i installe dthe pack
[07:46] <echylo> I can't login anymore
[07:46] <echylo> to x-server
[07:46] <Trigx300> no
[07:46] <thorN> does INETD only start a service when it's called?
[07:46] <farruinn> Trigx300: when you run 'mldonkey' from the command line you get nothing?
[07:46] <kcs> , can i have a question? :)
[07:47] <jmob> thorN: inetd starts a service when an incoming connection comes in for a given port
[07:47] <Trigx300> command not found
[07:47] <kcs> my epiphany session doesnt work perfect
[07:47] <farruinn> Trigx300: you installed it with apt?
[07:47] <farruinn> or synaptic?
[07:47] <kcs> ly
[07:47] <thorN> Ah right, that's what I did for VSFTPD, I had to open inetd.conf and put it in manually
[07:47] <Trigx300> it synaptic
[07:47] <thorN> makes sense
[07:47] <mamadou> yo . I had the same problem on fedora
[07:47] <echylo> I can login on my other account
[07:47] <echylo> damn
[07:47] <echylo> weird
[07:47] <echylo> brb
[07:47] <jmob> thorN: and it starts new copy of that service for each connection
[07:48] <mamadou> that s why I move into ubuntu
[07:48] <delltony> the command for unrar is simply unrar -x filename.rar right?   and if it fails do you know if it writes it to a log? just kinda wondering why this rar isn't unrarrin
[07:48] <Trigx300> its not on the "start menu"ether
[07:48] <kcs> it starts on first desk not 3. where i left it before shutdown
[07:48] <Echylo> ok back
[07:48] <mouche> farruinn, I also can't run mldonkey -- typing mlgui worked
[07:49] <jmob> mamadou: did you build your computer yourself?
[07:49] <farruinn> Trigx300: try what mouche did
[07:49] <thorN> wow, I got SSH working (cheer)
[07:49] <apokryphos> delltony: I use rar. rar e <package.rar>
[07:49] <delltony> ok let me try that
[07:49] <mamadou> no
[07:49] <mamadou> why ?
[07:49] <mouche> couldn't run it I mean, till I thought to look at the "installed files" in synaptic
[07:49] <jmob> mamadou: does the cd-rom work in Windows?
[07:49] <Agrajag> you should use rar x, not rar e.
[07:50] <delltony> hah rar worked
[07:50] <apokryphos> Agrajag: Why?
[07:50] <Agrajag> rar e doesn't preserve directory structure at all
[07:50] <delltony> unrar didn't
[07:50] <farruinn> mouche: ah thanks, I don't have it installed so couldn't do that
[07:50] <Agrajag> it just throws every file in the archive into the current working directory
[07:50] <Trigx300> yep thanks
[07:50] <delltony> yeah i used x instead of e
[07:50] <kcs> so is here someone to help me? :)
[07:50] <delltony> thanks
[07:50] <Echylo> when I try to login with my account, I get this error, that my session didn't last 10 seconds, it says I'm not logged out, or I ran out of diskspace which is false
[07:50] <mamadou> all of this staff works in windows
[07:50] <apokryphos> Agrajag: Interesting. Thanks.
[07:50] <mamadou> and mandrake
[07:50] <cevans> Is anyone here using xfwm4 with GNOME?
[07:50] <Echylo> it's a x-server error
[07:51] <Trigx300> do you know of any better 2p2 progs
[07:51] <apokryphos> Trigx300: limewire
[07:51] <jmob> Echylo: look at what the error was
[07:51] <mouche> farruin -your issue solved mine!  I just had no idea how to open the gui till I saw you had a problem
[07:51] <jmob> Echylo: Using Hoary or Wary?
[07:51] <apokryphos> Trigx300: Depends on what you'er looking to download, essentially. For mp3s, limey does the job. Gnutella network.
[07:51] <Echylo> hoary
[07:51] <Echylo> I just logged out
[07:51] <Echylo> there is a prob acessin a authority file
[07:52] <jmob> Echylo: less /var/log/xorg.0.log
[07:52] <Trigx300> more like progs
[07:52] <kcs>  /help humanity
[07:52] <Trigx300> and tutorials
[07:52] <apokryphos> Trigx300: Hmm, limewire will have some stuff. You'll find a lot of programs in torrents, also on ircs
[07:52] <farruinn> kcs: so epiphany doesn't open in your current desktop?
[07:52] <jmob> mamadou: Linux sucks, go back to Windows
[07:52] <kcs> :)
[07:52] <mamadou> no
[07:52] <kcs> no
[07:52] <mamadou> you dumb
[07:53] <apokryphos> Trigx300: Good client for torrents: torrentspy.com & packetnews.com; good client for irc downloads: ircspy.com
[07:53] <Echylo> I have xfree btw
[07:53] <mamadou> windows is loss of money
[07:53] <jmob> mamadou: no, you dumb
[07:53] <kcs> at shutdown i have an epiphany on desktop 3
[07:53] <jmob> mamadou: because you don't know how to verbs and stuff
[07:53] <Trigx300> i cant find it with synaptic
[07:53] <evarlast> be kind
[07:53] <jmob> woops, +use
[07:53] <evarlast> can't we all just get along
[07:53] <jmob> ;)
[07:53] <helio7> you guys stop bickering please it's not enriching the channel...
[07:53] <mamadou> jmbob or whoever you are silly
[07:53] <apokryphos> Trigx300: Limewire, yup, you can't get it from there. You can get it from the gnutella site though
[07:53] <mamadou> you nuts!!
[07:54] <kcs> and when i log in again it starts on 1. desk not 3.
[07:54] <evarlast> yes, if you want to be an asshole, go to #debian :)
[07:54] <apokryphos> %google gnutella
[07:54] <Pyre> Gnutella.com  -- http://www.gnutella.com/
[07:54] <Trigx300> ok thanks
[07:54] <thenuke> what icon managers there would be in ubuntu-repos
[07:54] <farruinn> kcs: even if you are currently in desktop 3?
[07:54] <jmob> mamadou: anyway, I'm not sure what's wrong
[07:54] <mamadou> everybody knows that windows costs a lot
[07:54] <dbjh> let's get along
[07:54] <thorN> are there any ed2k clients as nice as eMule for linux? (aMule is icky)
[07:54] <jmob> mamadou: I wish I could help
[07:54] <cevans> Whenever I login and xfwm4 is set as my wm in Gnome, the splash screen hangs at starting wm for about 3 minutes. Does anyone know what would cause this?
[07:54] <farruinn> mamadou: ok, the's not go there
[07:54] <jmob> I was just messing with him, geez
[07:54] <mamadou> you see to be the one and only ignorant
[07:54] <dbjh> mamadou relax
[07:54] <mamadou> i am relax
[07:55] <kcs> farruinn : than it strarts on it
[07:55] <mamadou> but look at this dude
[07:55] <Trigx300> oh do know some other mirrors i can add to synaptic
[07:55] <farruinn> kcs: ok, that's not a bug, that's how metacity works
[07:55] <mamadou> carefull man
[07:55] <mamadou> this is not a game dude
[07:55] <kcs> farruinn : but in the session of epiphany or metacity
[07:55] <apokryphos> Trigx300: Yup. Got a few. Will send my sources.list
[07:55] <mamadou> windows takes a lotta money
[07:55] <apokryphos> %tell Trigx300 ubusources
[07:55] <Pyre> Trigx300: http://youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list
[07:55] <kcs> farruinn : save the desk position
[07:56] <Haukkari> Is there any way to convert an NTFS or a FAT32 drive to something more useful (like ReiserFS or ext3)
[07:56] <kcs> farruinn : so it should starts saved epiphany session on the right desk
[07:56] <kcs> farruinn : i think
[07:56] <mamadou> linux takes a lotta time...because of monkey ass like you jm(blow)job
[07:56] <Trigx300> do i put this in synaptic or what?
[07:56] <sys2> someone gimme your amd64 kernel config!
[07:56] <apokryphos> Haukkari: Convert, no. You will need to format
[07:56] <sys2> :>
[07:56] <farruinn> kcs: oooh, I see what you mean now
[07:56] <jmob> mamadou: yes, it's all my fault, I'm sorry
[07:57] <apokryphos> Trigx300: Nope, that's the sources.list file -- the file that contains all the repository information. Found in /etc/apt/
[07:57] <kcs> farruinn : its couse my great english knowledge :)
[07:57] <mamadou> i preferer
[07:57] <Trigx300> ok thanks
[07:57] <Haukkari> apokryphos: I was afraid of that
[07:57] <kcs> farruinn : i use warty
[07:57] <Haukkari> apokryphos: oh well
[07:57] <jmob> mamadou: What would you like me to do to fix it?
[07:57] <Haukkari> apokryphos: I do have an extra 120GB disk...
[07:57] <mouche> is there some command I can use to tile or cascade windows in gnome?
[07:57] <delltony> hmm has anyone noticed this if you open up xine (in hoary) and use gimp to do a screenshot acquire from a movie clip that when you make the snap shot it shifts whats inside the window to the right therefore only getting half the image?
[07:58] <farruinn> kcs: no, it's just that I don't usually use the feature you're talking about =)
[07:58] <apokryphos> Haukkari: Might come in handy. ;-)
[07:58] <mamadou> i'd like you to act as human as possible
[07:58] <jmob> mouche: I don't think there is
[07:58] <thenuke> need an application launcher, suggest one
[07:58] <Dr_willis> mouche,  tricks like that is why i wish Gnome had kept 'sawfish' as its window manager. *sigh*
[07:58] <Dr_willis> well bye all
[07:58] <mamadou> the best you can : sarcasm is the reason I left windows
[07:58] <kcs> farruinn but its nice i think ;)
[07:58] <Echylo> Unable to read ICE authority file /home/echylo/.ICEauthority
[07:58] <Echylo> that's the error
[07:58] <apokryphos> delltony: Haven't tried it, but there are other programs you could use for a snapshot, if you like. Like ksnapshot. REpos have it.
[07:58] <Echylo> gnome session replied
[07:58] <delltony> ok will try ksnapshot thanks
[07:59] <farruinn> Echylo: you probably need to change the ownership of ~/.ICEauthority
[07:59] <zenrox> Echylo, do a rm .ICEauthority and restart gdm
[07:59] <kcs> farruinn but not always, eg i have window that appear on the right place
[07:59] <kcs> farruinn one :)
[07:59] <kcs> farruinn but the others not
[07:59] <Echylo> what do I need to follow
[07:59] <Echylo> the rm
[07:59] <Echylo> or the change ownership
[08:00] <zenrox> Echylo,  bolth will work
[08:00] <mamadou> can some one help for sound problems ?
[08:00] <Echylo> hmm
[08:00] <farruinn> Echylo: 'sudo rm .ICEauthority'
[08:00] <kcs> farruinn what should i look for?
[08:00] <farruinn> in your home directory
[08:00] <zenrox> the rm will remove it and gnome will recreat it
[08:00] <Echylo> k
[08:00] <jmob> mamadou: ah, right, so you were looking for the warm fuzzy computing community that Linux offers?
[08:00] <farruinn> kcs: when you logout you don't get a message that says epiphany doesn't support that, do you?
[08:00] <farruinn> kcs: because I just tried it and it said that firefox doesn't do that
[08:00] <kcs> farruinn no, i think
[08:01] <kcs> farruinn in window not im sure, but in log i didnt see
[08:01] <mamadou> yeah that's that
[08:01] <cevans> mouche: You could try replacing Metacity with XFWM4 in GNOME. XFWM4 probably has a command like that.
[08:01] <kcs> farruinn firefox doesnt support that, but epiphany sould do
[08:01] <mamadou> i tought people on linux where kind,
[08:01] <bretzel> Sorry to repeat: I Just finished installing Hoary array-cd #5 !! The installation went --- PERFECT --- !!! :-):-);-) and it IS perfect compared to array4
[08:01] <farruinn> kcs: ok, I'm getting the same thing with a different app. You might want to ask on the ubuntu-users mailing list or on www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:01] <kcs> farruinn on debian i think, it was worked
[08:01] <goldfish> mamadou: most of them are
[08:02] <kcs> farruinn ok thanks for halp
[08:02] <hitu> hey what packages do i need for java applet to run on my browser ?
[08:02] <mamadou> not the most of those i got answers from
[08:02] <kcs> help
[08:02] <delltony> apokryphos, do you happen to know the cmmand right off to start ksnapshot?
[08:02] <mamadou> all a dem is crazy
[08:02] <bascule> mamadou: what answers, and what is up with the sound?
[08:02] <delltony> nevermind scratch that
[08:02] <goldfish> hitu: on firefox?
[08:03] <Echylo> that did the trick
[08:03] <hitu> yah goldfish
[08:03] <Echylo> thanks zenrox & farruinn
[08:03] <goldfish> hitu: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[08:03] <mouche> Yeah, I want to exit metacity, but it's premature for me to be trying different window managers
[08:03] <hitu> i just updated firefox though.. its acting weird
[08:03] <farruinn> Echylo: no problem, just remember to use gksudo when running gui apps with sudo ;)
[08:03] <apokryphos> delltony: ksnapshot
[08:03] <mamadou> bascule : the cd go is on but ubuntu can't play the sound
[08:03] <hitu> also tried to convert the jre rpm to deb
[08:03] <hitu> installed it
[08:03] <cevans> mouche: Probably true. I still can't get the combination working very well.
[08:03] <Echylo> oow
[08:03] <Echylo> :)
[08:03] <hitu> but still didn work
[08:03] <goldfish> oh right
[08:03] <goldfish> Weird :/
[08:04] <mouche> thanks cevan!  I missed your remark I?l try
[08:04] <mamadou> i really don't understand
[08:04] <bascule> mamadou: do mp3/ogg play?
[08:04] <mamadou> yes both
[08:05] <mamadou> only the musik from the cdplyer that has problem
[08:05] <mamadou> once i rip it all is ok
[08:05] <bascule> in xmms do you have a plugin that says CD audio player 1.2.10
[08:05] <bascule> <-- can't play CDs either, but it's the drive
[08:06] <bascule> is it a DVD burner
[08:06] <bascule> mamadou: ^^
[08:06] <mamadou> nan
[08:06] <mamadou> simple cd player
[08:07] <bascule> what program do you use?
[08:07] <mamadou> default gnome cd player
[08:07] <mamadou> and it doesn't change w/ xmms
[08:07] <bascule> have you tried any others?
[08:08] <mamadou> i installed kde for kscd but the problem still exists
[08:08] <PoW[SleeP] > Where does apache get installed with apt-get install apache-common
[08:08] <mamadou> no matter the plyer
[08:08] <mamadou> i can hear the sound
[08:08] <mamadou> cant
[08:09] <png> $ nautilus applications:///Internet .. it says, not a valid location
[08:09] <JDahl> PoW, dpkg -L apache-common
[08:09] <mamadou> I had this problem on fedora
[08:09] <bascule> mamadou: neither can I
[08:09] <kcs> bye all and thanks
[08:10] <bascule> the clock ticks, but no sound ...
[08:10] <mamadou> it drove me krazy dude
[08:10] <bascule> <-- investigates this further
[08:10] <mamadou> i kicked fedora's ass and now ubuntu is kickin mine
[08:11] <bascule> lol
[08:11] <mamadou> knameanuheard ?
[08:12] <mamadou> do you have sound when u play cds ?
[08:12] <bascule> no
[08:12] <thenuke> how can I upgrade ONLY fluxbox from hoary branch?
[08:12] <bascule> I am working on it
[08:12] <PoW> hm
[08:12] <mamadou> ah ok
[08:12] <png> $ nautilus applications:///Internet .. it says, not a valid location. any idea ?
[08:12] <PoW> I cant find the httd
[08:12] <PoW> to start up apache
[08:12] <thechitowncubs> Hey, I want to share my /var/www/ on samba, but I don't know how to set up permissions so i can write to it
[08:12] <apokryphos> thenuke: and still have warty? I don't think you can.
[08:12] <vi11e> png, I have the same error but I just skip that
[08:13] <vi11e> maybe you could do smth donno...
[08:13] <thenuke> apokryphos: I bet I can ;) I just dont know how to use apt to upgrade only one package
[08:13] <vi11e> but you can make own launchers or/and open programs from console
[08:13] <mamadou> bascule you on gaim or not ?
[08:13] <apokryphos> thenuke: I don't think it's possible because ubuntu edits the packages to make them specific for the distro. That's why you get ubuntu1 or whatever in the name.
[08:14] <vi11e> png, maybe that doesn't exists in hoary, and the guide is referring to warty where that directory exists,... that's my guess only
[08:14] <apokryphos> thenuke: Well, normally you would do just apt-get install x, and if there is a newer package of x, it would install that one.
[08:14] <bascule> mamadou: nah never use those, just IRC
[08:15] <png> k. vi11e thnks
[08:15] <raydogg> how can i insert the time in the command line
[08:15] <raydogg> touch $time.txt
[08:15] <apokryphos> raydogg: date
[08:15] <thenuke> apokryphos: ah ok. thanks. I just have to change sources for apt to get packages from hoary, update, upgrade that package, and then change sources back to warty and update again
[08:15] <vi11e> png you can keep asking that if you want... if you get a better answer tell me also :)
[08:15] <raydogg> apok, how would i echo output to a filename using date ?
[08:15] <apokryphos> thenuke: I don't think that's going to work ;-), and it's a major hassle. Why don't you want dear hoary?
[08:16] <raydogg> so it could be [date] .txt
[08:16] <thenuke> apokryphos: hoary breaks too easily?
[08:16] <apokryphos> raydogg: date > date.txt
[08:16] <apokryphos> thenuke: It does/
[08:16] <apokryphos> thenuke: *it does?
[08:16] <raydogg> apok, i want the name of the file to be the date
[08:16] <thenuke> apokryphos: happened to many, once for me
[08:17] <apokryphos> raydogg: ohh. One sec, lemme try out.
[08:17] <niels_> I often wish to keep the cpu frequency down to avoid the fan noize, should I just change cpuinfo_max_freq or is there a better way that does not involve repetitive use of sudo?
[08:17] <png> $ nautilus applications:///Internet .. it says, not a valid location. any idea except vi11e :))?
[08:18] <thenuke> blah, maybe I forget that upgrading. I'm having problems to get applications launch on fluxbox startup
[08:18] <bascule> mamadou: just got xmms working with CD
[08:19] <bascule> I will go into gconf and see what I can pull up for gnome-cd
[08:20] <bascule> It is because of digital extraction, if there is no analog lead on the CD rom drive to the mother board it takes a plugin to make it work
[08:21] <dere1> i have a broadcom 4306 WLAN card it shows up in the "device manager"
[08:21] <bascule> I can't find one for gnome-cd, but in xmms it has to be configured
[08:21] <bascule> it is quite easy
[08:21] <bascule> mamadou: ^
[08:21] <dere1> however it does not show up in the "network settings" so i can configure it
[08:21] <dere1> how does one go about getting it to show up in the "netowrk settings" box?
[08:21] <ompaul> apokryphos,  I had a look at that and the closest I can get is "date | xargs touch" but something is playing badly with the whitespace
[08:22] <dere1> i believe it needs a special driver, but i see no way obvious way to do it
[08:22] <farruinn> png: you're in hoary?
[08:22] <dere1> btw: this is on hoary array 5
[08:23] <apokryphos> raydogg: ok
[08:23] <farruinn> png: because that opens fine for me in warty
[08:23] <apokryphos> raydogg: python -c 'import time; file("".join([`i` for i in time.gmtime()] ), "w").write("".join([`i` for i in time.gmtime()] ))'
[08:23] <thorN> Could anyone recommend a PHP webftp thing?
[08:23] <thorN> to put on my webserver
[08:23] <apokryphos> raydogg: That will make a text file with the name of the date/time and inside it has the date/time
[08:23] <raydogg> cool
[08:24] <apokryphos> and now, for dinner :P
[08:24] <png> farruinn, yes im n hoary
[08:24] <mamadou> i'm in here dude:
[08:24] <bascule> did you get it?
[08:24] <mamadou> xmms that slut , doesn't gimme sound
[08:24] <mmuller> already eaten thanks apokryphosaway
[08:24] <bascule> click the top left corner
[08:24] <bascule> options -> preferences
[08:24] <mamadou> top left and then
[08:25] <bascule> options -> preferences
[08:25] <mamadou> and then
[08:25] <bascule> highlight the CD audio player plugin
[08:25] <bascule> hit the configure button
[08:25] <mamadou> done
[08:25] <mamadou> let me test it
[08:25] <bascule> well use the digital extraction button
[08:26] <bascule> it pauses for a few seconds
[08:27] <mamadou> aha
[08:27] <Trigx300> does anyone know a good music recording software like cubase or protools
[08:27] <thorN> Audacity
[08:27] <bascule> got it mamadou?
[08:27] <thorN> oh wait, like cubase?
[08:28] <mamadou> did it all
[08:28] <Trigx300> yeah multitrack ece..
[08:28] <Neil3> sonar
[08:28] <Neil3> logic
[08:28] <Trigx300> for linux
[08:28] <Neil3> oh for linux
[08:29] <Neil3> ardour
[08:29] <Neil3> rosegarden
[08:31] <mebaran151> anyway to include gparted on the ubuntu livecd
[08:31] <mebaran151> I would like to add gparted
[08:31] <Trigx300> Neil3: do you work with music software much?
[08:32] <zenrox> mebaran151,  sudo apt-get install gparted
[08:33] <mamadou> no
[08:33] <mamadou> still i cannot play my cds
[08:33] <mamadou> ubuntu is kinda hard now !
[08:34] <bascule> in xmms config for cd audio player plugin did you use the check drive function
[08:34] <mamadou> yo bacule  i 'm fed up w/ this ubuntu dude
[08:34] <stuNNed> does ubuntu warty use NPTL?
[08:34] <mamadou> no
[08:35] <mebaran151> zenrox, for inclusion on a LiveCD
[08:35] <zenrox> oh
[08:35] <mebaran151> not my current system
[08:35] <bascule> mamadou: OK, but most distros will do this, I have given the solution, other than that, take your PC apart and fit an analog cable to your CD drive
[08:35] <mebaran151> it is such a great partition
[08:35] <mebaran151> written in gtk
[08:35] <mebaran151> and everything
[08:35] <zenrox> ya it is i have looked at it
[08:38] <jmob> cdda2wav -D /dev/cdrom
[08:38] <bascule> wrong window? :))
[08:38] <goldfish> heh
[08:39] <jmob> I wish I could figure out how tell cdda2wav to dump to stdout
[08:39] <jmob> I was going to be a smart ass and tell mamadou to do something like this:
[08:39] <bascule> why on earth would you want to?
[08:40] <bascule> lol
[08:40] <jmob> cdda2wav -D /dev/cdrom -t 1 | mpg123 -
[08:40] <bascule> cdda2wav -D /dev/cdrom > somefile > mpg123
[08:40] <bascule> cdda2wav -D /dev/cdrom > somefile < mpg123
[08:41] <apokryphosaway> ompaul: Hmm, yeah, that's weird. Though, with shell assigning a variable for the command works.
[08:42] <jmob> mkfifo somefile
[08:42] <PoW> How do I install the mysql-libs?
[08:42] <apokryphos> ompaul: something like v=`date`; echo $v > "$v
[08:43] <farruinn> PoW: like development libraries?
[08:43] <PoW> yeah
[08:43] <jmob> try
[08:43] <jmob> apt-cache search mysql|grep dev
[08:44] <jmob> probably something like ``libmysqlclient14-dev'' is what you want
[08:45] <farruinn> Anyone try using their iTunes folder as the music folder for Rhythmbox?
[08:46] <farruinn> I've got the hfs+ drive mounted, but the iTunes music folder just appears as a file
[08:46] <PoW> hmmm
[08:46] <PoW> I found mysqlclient-dev
[08:46] <PoW> did apt-get install mysqlclient-dev
[08:47] <PoW> er
[08:47] <PoW> libmysqlclient-dev*
[08:47] <jmob> PoW: works?
[08:47] <PoW> nope
[08:47] <PoW> im trying libmysqlclient10
[08:48] <PoW> hmm
[08:48] <PoW> nope
[08:48] <testerr> test
[08:48] <PoW> weird
[08:48] <PoW> I still get the mysql_init undeclared
[08:48] <PoW> upon compiling
[08:48] <PoW> meaning mysql.h not there
[08:48] <ompaul> apokryphos, some strange messing with cut might also work however the $v is grand for that:)
[08:49] <hawke_> PoW: 'locate mysql.h' ?
[08:49] <mamadou> i kicked fedora's ass and now ubuntu is kickin mine
[08:49] <PoW> not found
[08:49] <mamadou> still it is kicking
[08:49] <jmob> PoW: sudo apt-get install apt-file
[08:50] <mamadou> is it kicking yours ?
[08:50] <jmob> PoW: apt-file update
[08:50] <mamadou> i am about ta shut shit down
[08:50] <hawke_> PoW: 'updatedb; locate mysql.h' ?
[08:51] <jmob> PoW: apt-file mysql.h
[08:51] <jmob> PoW: apt-file search mysql.h
[08:51] <jmob> libmysqlclient14-dev: usr/include/mysql/mysql.h
[08:51] <bascule> bib
[08:51] <bretzel> Anyone know what caused this error from Sound-Juicer "The currently selected audio profile is not available on your installation." ???? and it crashes as soon as extract is fired ...
[08:51] <mebaran151> what is the best way to get involved in helping to fix bugs
[08:51] <mebaran151> I would be a very early newb at this
[08:51] <mebaran151> I checked the wiki and couldn't find anything useful
[08:52] <farruinn> mebaran151: reporting them on bugzilla would be the first step
[08:52] <mebaran151> no
[08:52] <mebaran151> I meant helping them fix some bugs
[08:52] <farruinn> oh, you mean actually fixing them?
[08:52] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:52] <mebaran151> I report regularly now, like a good Linux citizen
[08:52] <PoW> /usr/include/mysql/mysql.h
[08:52] <PoW> found that
[08:52] <jmob> mebaran151: fix them, and sumbit patches to bugzilla
[08:53] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:53] <jmob> PoW: gcc -I /usr/include/mysql foo.c ?
[08:53] <mebaran151> I sort of get how that is supposed to be done
[08:53] <geppy> How can I pass flags to ./configure when using dpkg-buildpackage?
[08:53] <mebaran151> why dont you just use checkinstall
[08:53] <mebaran151> geppy
[08:53] <jmob> geppy: edit the rules file
[08:53] <geppy> thanks
[08:53] <mebaran151> works basically the same
[08:53] <mebaran151> and lets you run configure like you normally would
[08:55] <mamadou> cooking me some rice
[08:55] <PoW> hmm
[08:55] <dtudosie> hi, people !
[08:55] <PoW> there it goes
[08:55] <mamadou> cooking me some fish
[08:55] <mamadou> hi you there
[08:55] <GammaRay> http://ishamael.tunkeymicket.com/images/daap/daap.png
[08:56] <GammaRay> This guy is in serious need of screen
[08:56] <dtudosie> does anybody know how can I install a deb package from a local source ?
[08:56] <mamadou> yo does anyone have solution for the no sound cds players
[08:56] <PoW> now for my sound problem
[08:56] <PoW> well
[08:56] <PoW> alsa problem
[08:56] <dtudosie> (made a deb from sun's bin of jsk 2 1.5)
[08:56] <geppy> dtudosie: dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:56] <PoW> Has anyone gotten alsa to work with SB Audigy 2?
[08:57] <dtudosie> geppy: thanks
[08:57] <JDahl> dtudosie, you can use dpkg -i file.deb (e.g., for just installing your own kernel), or for larger repositories you can update sources.list with a local disk entry
[08:57] <pagefault> mamadou, in xmms go into the cd plugin options and change from analog to digital audio extraction
[08:57] <Cerberus> xmms just hung
[08:57] <Cerberus> killed it
[08:58] <Cerberus> but the process remains and i can't restart xmms?
[08:58] <geppy> jmob:  I've edited the source a little, and I've changed the configure lines in the rules file to use the changes, but now it's complaining about the changes that I made.  ("binary file contents changed")
[08:58] <farruinn> Cerberus: at the terminal, killall xmms
[08:58] <Cerberus> how do i kill the process i have the ID
[08:58] <farruinn> or kill ID
[08:59] <Cerberus> still there :(
[08:59] <Pluk> killall -9 name or kill PID
[08:59] <hawke_> possibly killall -9 xmms or kill -9 id
[09:00] <beerockxs> anyone know why my cd-audio would not work?
[09:00] <Echylo> how do you get a channel full on this server :s :p
[09:00] <Echylo> advertising is not that cool
[09:00] <pagefault> beerockxs, in xmms go into the cd plugin options and change from analog to digital audio extraction
[09:00] <PoW> ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such device
[09:00] <pagefault> beerockxs, you probably don't have an analog cable hooked up to your cd drive
[09:00] <beerockxs> it reads the cd just fine, and gets the title/artist info from the net, but i get nothing out of my speakers
[09:00] <PoW> Has anyone seen that before?
[09:01] <Cerberus> hawke_ or Pluk xmms still is not starting :(
[09:01] <dtudosie> thanks, guys !  the way debian is installing pkgs is really cool
[09:01] <hawke_> Cerberus: 'ps auxww | grep xmms'?
[09:01] <geppy> beerockxs:  You probably don't have the analog cable attached, like was said a second ago.
[09:01] <GammaRay> or.. ps -fC xmms
[09:01] <beerockxs> pagefault: ah, it used to work in windows without the cable
[09:01] <beerockxs> thanks guys
[09:01] <raydogg> can you tell scp what your password is without it asking for it ?
[09:01] <raydogg> i don't see an option for it
[09:01] <pagefault> beerockxs, yeah it works in linux too but you need to tell it to use digital audio extraction insted of analog
[09:02] <beerockxs> pagefault: and where would i set that up?
[09:02] <hawke_> raydogg: look into ssh public keys
[09:02] <pagefault> beerockxs, what player are you using?
[09:03] <hawke_> pagefault: It's xmms
[09:04] <hawke_> pagefault: er, oops, combining two threads
[09:04] <pagefault> hawke, in xmms go into the cd plugin options and change from analog to digital audio extraction
[09:04] <pagefault> hawke, you should then have audio
[09:04] <GammaRay> raydogg: run ssh-keygen on the client and then scp .ssh/id_dsa.pub remote_user@server:~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
[09:04] <raydogg> thanks GammaRay
[09:04] <Cerberus> whatever gesture i try xmms still keeps on standing between the processes :s
[09:04] <GammaRay> raydogg: if you use a blank password when generating you won't have to type one to login
[09:05] <raydogg> cool
[09:05] <raydogg> I was wondering that because I use public keys to login with putty but i still have to use pagent to manage keys
[09:05] <beerockxs> pagefault: the default cd player app that comes with ubuntu
[09:05] <hawke_> raydogg: note that that is horribly insecure though
[09:05] <beerockxs> it's just called CD-player afaic tell
[09:06] <raydogg> Yes, i know
[09:06] <bascule> well that was actually rather funny, I was in a different distro, booted ubuntu with the CD still in hte drive, gnome started, and the CD just played .... (LOL)
[09:06] <hawke_> raydogg: there's ssh-agent, that might be useful.
[09:06] <GammaRay> hawke_: why is that? As long as your local user is secure...
[09:06] <bascule> sorry mamadou just that way sometimes ... :P
[09:06] <mebaran151> how would I defrag a linux volume
[09:06] <mebaran151> or would I ever need to
[09:06] <hawke_> GammaRay: Yes, but that's a pretty big "if" in my opinion.
[09:06] <farruinn> beerockxs: if you plug your speakers directly into the cdrom you'll get sound, but if you want it to go through your soundcard use xmms or beep-media-player
[09:06] <raydogg> GammaRay, I suppose he means if the key is stolen
[09:07] <hawke_> raydogg: Yes.
[09:07] <farruinn> mebaran151: afaik you usually don't need to...
[09:07] <pagefault> beerockxs, I have no idea if that supports digital audio extraction, I know xmms does though, if you set it to use it in the cd plugin options
[09:07] <GammaRay> if it isn't they could just put a dummy ssh binary prefixed to your path and steal your password
[09:07] <mebaran151> is it possible to personalize an Ubuntu LiveCD with custom packages
[09:08] <mebaran151> like I want to include gparted
[09:08] <geppy> how can I remove ESD without removing all of the bloody packages that depend on it?  I'm pretty sure that gcalctool could run without ESD
[09:08] <puterfixer> hello. I'm in desperate need of help, please... I have renamed my default username and also changed the home dir to match the new username. I changed the /etc/sudoers too, but... I can't log in with it anymore, it freezes at metacity window manager.
[09:08] <bascule> mebaran151: nah you don't have to, but in pay off deleted files *stay* deleted
[09:08] <geppy> mebaran151: Yes.
[09:08] <mebaran151> which seems to be a rather nice partition editor
[09:08] <pagefault> geppy, go into the sound options in gnome and uncheck load sound server at startup
[09:08] <mebaran151> much better than qtparted
[09:08] <hawke_> GammaRay: true, but a passwordless private key they only need to visit once...not come back and collect the passwrd.
[09:08] <geppy> pagefault:  Done... but I'm trying to uninstall ESD, not just not use it.
[09:09] <pagefault> geppy, hrm, not sure, maybe just delete it manually
[09:09] <geppy> I've edited the ESD source, and I'm wanting to install my new build
[09:09] <mebaran151> dmanit I am having so much trouble loading Linux on this one damn laptop
[09:09] <hawke_> GammaRay: And they don't need root to steal the private key, as they do for a dummy ssh binary.
[09:09] <farruinn> geppy: did you make a .deb from your source?
[09:09] <geppy> it's not built into a .deb, though.  dpkg-buildpackage was complaining about how I'd changed it up
[09:09] <puterfixer> any ideas what should I do to fix this, please?
[09:09] <geppy> farruinn:  No
[09:09] <geppy> farruinn: I'd like to, though. =)
[09:10] <farruinn> geppy: have you read debian's "new maintainer manual" or whatever it's called?
[09:10] <geppy> farruinn:  Yes.
[09:10] <GammaRay> hawke_: they don't need to be root for the "dummy ssh binary." either.. they could easily write a script to use bash sockets to sent the password where-ever.
[09:10] <geppy> farruinn:  I'm a bit more familiar with RPM, though, I must say.
[09:11] <GammaRay> hawke_: and to make you think you are running ssh they just need access to your PATH
[09:11] <hawke_> GammaRay: unless you explicitly run /usr/bin/ssh
[09:11] <GammaRay> I suppose...
[09:11] <mebaran151> how woudl I run a defrag though
[09:11] <mebaran151> just in case I wanted to
[09:12] <encryptio> mebaran151: you can't.
[09:12] <encryptio> mebaran151: there's no reason to, as well.
[09:12] <TestDummy> I still can't get this network card to work. I activate it, it deactiveates and won't work...
[09:12] <hawke_> GammaRay: In any case...it doesn't matter, there are always ways round security.
[09:12] <bascule> mebaran151: I really dont think there are such tools
[09:12] <mebaran151> encryptio, why do we need it in Windows then
[09:12] <encryptio> mebaran151: scratch that, there's probably an app somewhere. but it doesn't help on linux.
[09:12] <bascule> I vaguely remember redhat having one
[09:12] <hawke_> GammaRay: Except possibly on OS/400. :-)
[09:13] <encryptio> mebaran151: because linux filesystems in general are better behaved in that regard.
[09:13] <bascule> for ext2/3
[09:13] <Echylo> how do you actually close ports
[09:13] <mebaran151> oh cool
[09:13] <Echylo> like 631
[09:13] <mebaran151> I am running resierfs
[09:13] <Echylo> printer server
[09:13] <Echylo> doesn't has to be accessible to the outworld
[09:13] <bascule> membreya: it so doesn't need defragged
[09:13] <hawke_> Echylo: Tell cups to not listen on the public IP address.
[09:13] <GammaRay> Echylo: you would have to open that up first
[09:13] <Echylo> and how do you that?
[09:13] <hawke_> Echylo: edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, look for Listen
[09:13] <Echylo> k
[09:14] <hawke_> Echylo: Though I thought that was the default on ubuntu
[09:14] <GammaRay> Echylo: by default.. cups does not listen to non localhost addresses
[09:14] <hawke_> GammaRay: On Ubuntu, yes.
[09:14] <beerockxs> pagefault: thanks, xmms works
[09:14] <puterfixer> hm, apparently lots of configuration files have the old username in them, so I'm just going to rename the folder back. thanks though
[09:14] <Echylo> how you restart cups?
[09:14] <Echylo> cups restart?
[09:14] <hawke_> GammaRay: though that's a fair assumption. :-)
[09:14] <hawke_> Echylo: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[09:15] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:15] <hawke_> Echylo: sudo as well, of course
[09:15] <Echylo> yay
[09:15] <Echylo> another port bites the dust
[09:15] <Echylo> thanks
[09:15] <Echylo> still a couple to go :s
[09:16] <Echylo> port 111 ? sunrpc?
[09:16] <Echylo> can I keep asking? cause it would be helpfull
[09:16] <farruinn> Echylo: you could use firestarter to configure your firewall
[09:17] <Echylo> key
[09:17] <hawke_> Echylo: Go ahead...
[09:17] <hawke_> Echylo: 111 is nfs/nis
[09:17] <Echylo> and what does that mean?
[09:17] <hawke_> Echylo: well, portmapper, which those services depend on.
[09:17] <bascule> wrong window ..
[09:17] <Echylo> ow no danger then?
[09:17] <hawke_> Echylo: nfs is Network File System
[09:18] <hawke_> Echylo: It's generally considered not very secure
[09:18] <hawke_> Echylo: there have been many vulnerabilities found in portmapper
[09:18] <Echylo> and how to shut it down?
[09:19] <hawke_> Echylo: remove the package 'portmap'
[09:19] <Echylo> portmapper?
[09:19] <Echylo> is it for router?
[09:19] <Echylo> natp?
[09:19] <hawke_> Echylo: Nope.
[09:19] <Echylo> k
[09:19] <hawke_> Echylo: really NFS and NIS are the only two that need it.
[09:19] <hawke_> Echylo: Plus a bunch of obscure protocols
[09:19] <pagefault> beerockxs, np
[09:20] <GammaRay> Echylo: lsof -ni should give you a better idea of what is using what port
[09:20] <Echylo> two ports left
[09:20] <PoW> Has anyone here compiled alsa before?
[09:20] <Echylo> 5900
[09:20] <Echylo> & 882
[09:21] <robodex> anyone have any success in getting kqemu working in ubuntu?
[09:21] <hawke_> Echylo: what's 'netstat -ntaup' say is listening there?
[09:21] <hawke_> PoW: I have
[09:21] <bascule> hmmm, apparently grip is ripping a track at -203X and falling ... odd :))
[09:21] <Echylo> I just need to close 3 more ports ?
[09:22] <Echylo> 25, is smtp, but why does it keeps it open?
[09:22] <Echylo> 80 is webserver, that can stay open
[09:22] <bascule> postfix goes in by default
[09:22] <Echylo> 5900, is unkown
[09:22] <IrIT> Hi
[09:22] <PoW> Have you gotten this
[09:22] <PoW> checking for which soundcards to compile driver for... configure: error: Unsupported soundcard emu10k1
[09:22] <bascule> hey IrIT
[09:22] <Echylo> 5900
[09:22] <Echylo> is the only left then
[09:22] <bascule> X, but usually 6000
[09:23] <bascule> maybe gdm
[09:23] <bascule> netstat -pant
[09:23] <Echylo> ok
[09:23] <bascule> will show
[09:23] <bascule> I like that one, easy to remeber
[09:23] <Echylo> python?
[09:23] <bascule> netstat -pant
[09:23] <Fobax> Where would I find a list of versions of the most important programs in warty and hoary?
[09:23] <Echylo> yes
[09:23] <Echylo> I did
[09:23] <IrIT> When i boot my Ubuntu, i get an error message. Something with hw_random (can't remember the exact error though) But, can i see the log from the bootup.
[09:24] <hawke_> IrIT: 'dmesg' or /var/log/messages might be useful
[09:24] <hawke_> IrIT: else /var/log/syslog
[09:24] <geppy> what package provides 'dch'?
[09:24] <Simira> anyone here knows Gallery?
[09:24] <bascule> IrIT: its the random number generator, dont worry
[09:24] <IrIT> ok
[09:24] <farruinn> geppy: use dpkg -S dch
[09:24] <IrIT> it's sayst something with /lib/modules i think
[09:24] <hawke_> Simira: devscripts
[09:24] <IrIT> *says
[09:25] <Echylo> can I remove postfix?
[09:25] <Echylo> cause it asks to delete ubuntu-base
[09:25] <geppy> farruinn: I'm not finding anything that would seem to provide it
[09:25] <Echylo> and that's not good
[09:25] <hawke_> er .. geppy: devscripts
[09:25] <Simira> hawke: uhm... meaning?
[09:25] <hawke_> Simira: Sorry, wrong person
[09:25] <IrIT> but can i then skip it at the startup process bascule?
[09:25] <geppy> hawke: thanks
[09:26] <farruinn> geppy: ack, thought you were looking for a file, sorry
[09:26] <Echylo> hmm
[09:26] <geppy> farruinn:  Oh, alright. =)
[09:27] <hawke_> Echylo: You can't remove postfix without removing ubuntu-base
[09:27] <Echylo> ok
[09:27] <hawke_> Echylo: but there's nothing terrible about removing ubuntu-base
[09:27] <Echylo> then I better don't ;)
[09:27] <Echylo> can you prevent it of starting?
[09:27] <hawke_> Echylo: Sure
[09:28] <hawke_> Echylo: Remove the symlinks /etc/rc?.d/[SK] 20postfix
[09:29] <Levander> Is there an easy way to see what is going to be available in Hoary?
[09:29] <Echylo> what do you mean hawke ?
[09:30] <Echylo> I can't file that file
[09:30] <Echylo> find
[09:30] <hawke_> Echylo: It's a set of files
[09:31] <hawke_> Echylo: do 'ls /etc/rc?.d/[SK] 20postfix'
[09:31] <Echylo> yes
[09:31] <Echylo> found some
[09:31] <Echylo> need to delete them?
[09:31] <hawke_> Echylo: technically, only the S20postfix ones
[09:32] <hawke_> Echylo: But no need to stop a service on shutdown that wouldn't be started.
[09:33] <Echylo> ok
[09:33] <Echylo> done
[09:33] <Echylo> last question
[09:33] <Echylo> port 5900
[09:34] <Echylo> unknown to network tools
[09:35] <hawke_> Echylo: what's 'netstat -pant' | grep 5900 say?
[09:35] <Echylo> vino-server
[09:35] <hawke_> Echylo: Well, that's 'vino' then
[09:35] <Echylo> k
[09:35] <hawke_> Echylo: vnc server
[09:35] <Echylo> ow
[09:35] <farruinn> by default it's turned off, so shouldn't be a problem
[09:36] <Echylo> and how to shut that down?
[09:36] <hawke_> Echylo: you can remove that package, of course
[09:36] <Echylo> It's turned on
[09:36] <Echylo> farruin
[09:36] <hawke_> farruinn: I'd assume that if it's listening it's on, yes?
[09:36] <Echylo> it's set to listen
[09:36] <Echylo> so its on
[09:36] <Dreamer3_> anyone use wine?
[09:36] <farruinn> ah, I see
[09:36] <Dreamer3_> where is the .winerc file?
[09:36] <hawke_> Dreamer3: I drink wine.
[09:36] <hawke_> Dreamer3: ~
[09:36] <farruinn> but by default it doesn't accept incoming connections, right?
[09:37] <Echylo> I removed vino package
[09:37] <Echylo> but it's still on
[09:37] <Echylo> vino-server
[09:38] <hawke_> Echylo: is the file still installed?
[09:38] <hawke_> Echylo: YOu might have to kill it manually.
[09:38] <Dreamer3_> no one?
[09:39] <Echylo> yea
[09:39] <Echylo> thanks
[09:39] <hawke_> Dreamer3: It's in ~
[09:39] <Echylo> all closed
[09:39] <Echylo> :D
[09:39] <Echylo> thanks mate
[09:39] <Echylo> hope I reboot properly
[09:39] <Dreamer3_> hawke_: i don't seem to have one, yet wine works
[09:39] <Dreamer3_> hawke_: is that normal?
[09:39] <hawke_> Dreamer3: I think so.
[09:39] <Dreamer3_> hawke_: some webpages i've found reference ~/.wine/config
[09:40] <hawke_> Dreamer3: Do you have a ~/.wine ?
[09:40] <meuserj|work> Dreamer3, that's something else
[09:40] <meuserj|work> Dreamer3, I believe
[09:40] <Dreamer3_> hawke_: yes
[09:42] <robodex> anyone have any success in getting kqemu working in ubuntu? I've tried compiling qemu according to the instructions on the kqemu page, but it doesn't compile with kqemu support...
[09:43] <rouven> Hi. I wonder if there's any news about the web competetion. I'm wondering if i could reuse my mockup for something else since the competition doesn't seem to be happening at all.
[09:44] <tritium> Wow - installing python-gtk2-doc has some strange effects on dhelp
[09:49] <Coily> i just got finished fixing the resolving hostname problem in Fx, only to now have slow "looking up" problems
[09:50] <Coily> anyone have an idea what's going on?
[09:50] <geppy> I've modified the source in a debian package, and I'm following the maintainer's guide, but it's not allowing me to build the new package, due to the changes.
[09:50] <LinuxJones> Coily, what is Fx ?
[09:50] <Coily> firefox
[09:50] <blah09> hey does acroread work in ubuntu?
[09:50] <goldfish> yep
[09:51] <blah09> i keep getting errors =/
[09:51] <geppy> agh
[09:51] <geppy> I know that it's a dumb thing to do, but I think I'm just going to make install over the damned package that's already installed
[09:51] <geppy> dpkg is a pain in the ass
[09:52] <Amelaye> ooo
[09:52] <LinuxJones> Coily, you probably have to disable ipv6 in firefox
[09:52] <tritium> geppy, which packge?
[09:52] <tritium> package
[09:52] <geppy> tritium: ESD
[09:52] <farruinn> geppy: why can't you apt-get remove esound?
[09:52] <tritium> geppy, are you running Hoary?  Do you mean polypaudio, which has replaced it?
[09:53] <sahin_h> Debian has packages.debian.org. Is there any similar site for ubuntu?
[09:53] <geppy> farruinn:  Because some idiot maintainers made a couple hundred packages depend on it.  Like 'gcalctool'
[09:53] <geppy> tritium:  I'
[09:53] <geppy> m
[09:53] <geppy> running warty, and no, it's ESD
[09:53] <tritium> geppy, okay, just checking, since polypaudio is giving many people troubles
[09:54] <geppy> tritium: heh =)
[09:54] <SeanQ> Question
[09:54] <goldfish> shoot
[09:54] <tritium> sahin_h, yeah, somebody's running a site like that.  search on google for ubuntu + <packagename>.  One of the hits will be what you want
[09:54] <farruinn> geppy: um, when I apt-get remove esound it just wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[09:55] <SeanQ> goldfish, I'm trying to burn some .doc files to a cd in Ubuntu
[09:55] <geppy> farruin:  hmmm...
[09:55] <tritium> sahin_h, e.g.: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/web/mozilla-firefox
[09:55] <SeanQ> but I've already burnt some files on there
[09:55] <geppy> farruinn: Oh.
[09:55] <SeanQ> and k3b nor nautilius-cd-burning will lemme write 'em on there
[09:55] <geppy> farruinn:  I was trying to remove libesd0
[09:55] <farruinn> geppy: oh, so which are you rebuilding?
[09:55] <SeanQ> wait, is that called overburn?
[09:56] <geppy> farruin:  doesn't the same source library build both of them?
[09:56] <SeanQ> if it is, i can enable it in gconf
[09:56] <farruinn> geppy: sorry, no clue on that one, I've never built esd
[09:56] <tritium> sahin_h, I guess this is the document base: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[09:56] <geppy> farruinn:  Alright, thanks =)
[09:57] <farruinn> if you're Makefile has an unistall target you can remove what you've built and reinstall esound if you have to
[09:57] <farruinn> your*
[09:58] <geppy> Thanks. =)
[09:58] <geppy> either way, I'm running warty, and I'm thinking that I'll switch back to Hoary soon, so I might as well properly break warty, first. =)
[09:59] <kroon> How do I update to Hoary from a warty install? I've fixed /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <SeanQ> kroon, it's in ubuntuguide
[09:59] <stuNNed> to update system, is apt-get dist-upgrade safe to run?
[09:59] <SeanQ> after sources change...
[09:59] <SeanQ>  $ sudo apt-get update
[09:59] <SeanQ> $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:59] <farruinn> I actually think that's the preferred method
[09:59] <SeanQ> yep
[09:59] <stuNNed> it is?
[10:00] <farruinn> yes, because it will remove packages that you don't need to fulfill dependencies of new packages, etc
[10:00] <stuNNed> ok
[10:00] <farruinn> or, new dependencies of upgraded packages I guess
[10:01] <kroon> SeanQ, ok thanks
[10:01] <farruinn> geppy: so what makes you want to go back to hoary?
[10:02] <geppy> farruin:  Nothing in particular, though I'd like to be a little more up to date, if I want to try hacking polypaudio
[10:02] <stuNNed> anyone use the new backports on ubuntuforums?
[10:02] <kroon> although, I dont see Xorg being installed, but xfree86 being upgraded...
[10:02] <stuNNed> tritium: using warty though?
[10:03] <kroon> I thought hoary would have Xorg instead
[10:03] <pablo928> very slow web-page loading. can anyone help?
[10:03] <tritium> stuNNed, yes, of course ;)
[10:03] <farruinn> kroon: hoary should have xorg
[10:03] <tritium> stoneboy, but if I wasn't, I still wouldn't use backports.  Upgrading to Hoary from Warty + backports is a pain.
[10:03] <kroon> farruinn, ok so then I must be doing something wrong I guess
[10:03] <geppy> ESD should suck less
[10:04] <geppy> oh well, I'm off
[10:04] <goldfish> pablo928: disable ipv6 in firefox settins
[10:04] <tritium> geppy, so should polypaudio :)
[10:04] <geppy> haha
[10:04] <geppy> =)
[10:04] <goldfish> *settings
[10:04] <geppy> we need polypaudio-jack
[10:04] <geppy> ;)
[10:04] <tritium> actually, audio in linux should suck less
[10:04] <pablo928> golfish:thanks
[10:04] <geppy> tritium:  Well, not really that familiar with the alternatives. =)
[10:04] <goldfish> pablo928: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[10:04] <farruinn> kroon: you changed all instances of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:05] <geppy> tritium:  But esd needs to be implemented as a JACK plugin.
[10:05] <SeanQ> So one can't 'overburn'?
[10:05] <SeanQ> Once I have burnt a CD-R, it's over?
[10:05] <kroon> farruinn, yes
[10:05] <tritium> geppy, I think so
[10:05] <SeanQ> Because in WinXP, I can burn a CD-R and then add more files to it
[10:05] <geppy> tritium:  Huh?  You think what?
[10:06] <kbrooks> i need shockwave.
[10:06] <kroon> farruinn, it says "xwindows-system-core" is being held back for some reason
[10:06] <kbrooks> macromedia shockwave
[10:06] <goldfish> no macromedia for linux iirc
[10:06] <kbrooks> HELP!
[10:06] <farruinn> kroon: huh, for some reason someone else was having a hard time upgrading xfree86 to xorg today too
[10:06] <goldfish> they dont support linux currently i think kbrooks
[10:07] <goldfish> Anyone had problems installing apache?
[10:07] <kbrooks> goldfish, i want it and i want it now
[10:07] <goldfish> i just got an error after i did, apt-get install apache2
[10:07] <mmuller> anyone here clued up on xorg and DRI and the latest CVS builds ?
[10:07] <goldfish> Preconfiguring packages ...
[10:07] <goldfish> dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.
[10:07] <goldfish> dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH.
[10:07] <goldfish> dpkg: 2 expected program(s) not found on PATH.
[10:07] <goldfish> NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.
[10:07] <goldfish> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[10:07] <goldfish> and that happened
[10:07] <zul> kbrooks: check the wiki
[10:07] <goldfish> sory for paste
[10:07] <tritium> geppy, I agree with you about esd/jack
[10:08] <kbrooks> zuk: link me?
[10:08] <zul> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[10:08] <farruinn> goldfish: try running apt-get from withint 'sudo -s -H'
[10:08] <moj0rising> goldfish: try removing apache w/ synaptic and installing via source..
[10:08] <kbrooks> moj0rising, no
[10:08] <moj0rising> it's pretty easy and works great.
[10:08] <kbrooks> moj0rising, NO
[10:08] <moj0rising> yeah. it does.
[10:08] <kbrooks> moj0rising, NO
[10:08] <blah09> adobe really needs to make an updated version of acrobat reader for linux =/
[10:08] <moj0rising> are you OK?
[10:09] <kbrooks> moj0rising, it might, but don't suggest that!
[10:09] <moj0rising> y not?
[10:09] <kbrooks> because.
[10:09] <moj0rising> you are silly.
[10:09] <kbrooks> moj0rising, no i am not
[10:10] <infernall-work> I am trying to add an SMB share to my fstab to mount at boot, but i can't even mount the share with cli...  mount -t smbfs //ip/share /mnt/sharedir
[10:10] <moj0rising> I am having trouble with auto image resizing in mozilla...
[10:10] <moj0rising> ...it seems to work fine whenI click on a picture...
[10:10] <moj0rising> and select view picture...
[10:10] <blah09> infernall-work, sudo?
[10:10] <infernall-work> all the non ubuntu boxes in the office can mount this share properly, but ubuntu gives wrong fs or option.
[10:10] <ferris> how can i mount my usb drive as read and write?
[10:10] <infernall-work> blah09- of course.
[10:10] <moj0rising> ...but if I visit a page that has a large image on it...
[10:10] <moj0rising> the image appears normal size.
[10:10] <moj0rising> anyone know what it could be?
[10:11] <infernall-work> the other gentoo and mandrake boxes can mount the samba share though.
[10:11] <moj0rising> about:config shows image resizing "true"
[10:11] <kbrooks> goldfish, do farruinn's solution
[10:12] <goldfish> kbrooks: I got it, I was running it in a root terminal and not from sudo command, I am a newb :/
[10:12] <infernall-work> blah09- any ideas?
[10:12] <goldfish> But it installed now :)
[10:12] <kbrooks> goldfish, and tell people who suggest source solutions condstructively that you are a newbie
[10:12] <kbrooks> and that...well,
[10:12] <moj0rising> LOL. It's really no big deal.
[10:13] <IRCMonkey> hallo to everybody
[10:13] <kbrooks> moj0rising, i waas trying to illustrate a point
[10:13] <moj0rising> If he doesn't want to try it, that's ok.
[10:13] <goldfish> kbrooks: heh, yeah, i tried installing some gtk+ from source and it didnt go to well :)
[10:13] <IRCMonkey> a have a little problem
[10:13] <blah09> infernall-work, nope sorry =(
[10:13] <moj0rising> if you are not comfortable reccomending it, that's OK.
[10:13] <moj0rising> but I do.
[10:13] <moj0rising> and that it OK too.
[10:13] <blah09> it has always worked for me
[10:13] <moj0rising> it=is.
[10:13] <blah09> using the same command
[10:13] <IRCMonkey> i've installed the ubuntu linux distro with the default option, I mean no expert mode
[10:14] <infernall-work> blah09- got it.  needed to install smbfs :P
[10:14] <infernall-work> thanks.
[10:14] <kbrooks> goldfish, apt-cache search ;)
[10:14] <IRCMonkey> well all workd fine but the instalation didnt asked me for the root password
[10:14] <blah09> oh =)
[10:14] <IRCMonkey> is there a default password?
[10:14] <farruinn> IRCMonkey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:14] <blah09> there is not root
[10:14] <goldfish> kbrooks: lol
[10:14] <goldfish> kbrooks: thanks
[10:14] <blah09> no*
[10:15] <IRCMonkey> thanks a lot
[10:15] <IRCMonkey> now I gonna read it
[10:15] <IRCMonkey> wow this firefox is really so powerfull
[10:16] <IRCMonkey> I have the chatzilla extension installed
[10:16] <moj0rising> has anyone here used auto image resizing in firefox?
[10:16] <will_> how do i resize a reiserfs partition? its my home dir
[10:16] <WeirdAl> hullo.
[10:16] <IRCMonkey> i chust clickt in the irc link in the ubuntu page and the chatzilla opened
[10:16] <goldfish> yep
[10:16] <farruinn> moj0rising: my guess is when you are seeing the large images they're on an html page.  Whenyou view just the image it will resize it.
[10:17] <goldfish> i dont like chatzilla myself
[10:17] <Quest-Master> X-Chat here.
[10:17] <goldfish> its a nice plugin though
[10:17] <kbrooks> xchat
[10:17] <moj0rising> farruinn: Yes. Exactly.
[10:17] <goldfish> I prefer irssi myself.
[10:17] <kq> jircii is nice... or at least easy  :P
[10:17] <kbrooks> goldfish, me too
[10:17] <WeirdAl> Anyone here any good with a cunning combination of Ubuntu, PCMCIA and networking?
[10:17] <IRCMonkey> its one of the best software I ever saw and one of the best demo that open source software is very good
[10:17] <farruinn> moj0rising: oh, so I guess I don't understand what the problem is...
[10:17] <moj0rising> farruinn: is there a way to make it so it resizes images in html pages too?
[10:18] <moj0rising> That is what I'm trying to do.
[10:18] <mmuller> WeirdAl, yes whats wrong
[10:18] <farruinn> oh, I don't think that's how the image resizing works
[10:18] <mmuller> WeirdAl, i have wg511 pcmcia card and wireless network running
[10:18] <WeirdAl> Yeah
[10:18] <moj0rising> darn. OK. At least it's not me.
[10:19] <moj0rising> it does work that way on a windows partition I have on one of my pcs...
[10:19] <WeirdAl> I fscked firefox up in my n00b fashion so I reinstalled Ubuntu afresh
[10:19] <moj0rising> but that is also an older version of mozilla.
[10:19] <WeirdAl> The same configuration isn't working.
[10:19] <tritium> WeirdAl, that sounds extreme
[10:19] <WeirdAl> I can't ping my router.
[10:19] <WeirdAl> Well I'd only had it on for a day
[10:19] <mmuller> WeirdAl, which version of Ubuntu
[10:19] <WeirdAl> I wanted a scratchpad.
[10:19] <moj0rising> WeirdAl: maybe your router is configured to not respond to ping.
[10:19] <WeirdAl> Now you're asking.
[10:19] <farruinn> moj0rising: hm, I might post to ubuntu-devel about that then if I were you
[10:19] <WeirdAl> No, see, it was working yesterday.
[10:20] <WeirdAl> I had loads of trouble getting any networking and suddenly I did something and it worked.
[10:20] <moj0rising> can you ping www.novell.com?
[10:20] <mmuller> WeirdAl, maybe you have not set Ubuntu to DHCP or maybe it is and needs to be static IP ?
[10:20] <WeirdAl> Nope
[10:20] <WeirdAl> I tried autodetect
[10:20] <moj0rising> hm weird.
[10:20] <WeirdAl> That made it say "could not conenct to network"
[10:20] <WeirdAl> And I wanted it static anyway.
[10:21] <mmuller> erm i guess the machine ur on now isnt the problem ;)
[10:21] <cybane> Does anyone know where I can find a image in BMp format of the Ubuntu Logo?
[10:21] <IRCMonkey> ubuntu is real fast
[10:21] <IRCMonkey> gnome rulls perfectly
[10:21] <IRCMonkey> i have a cuestion
[10:21] <WeirdAl> I'm on an XP machine :-$
[10:21] <moj0rising> farruinn: thanks for looking at it for me.  :)
[10:21] <moj0rising> gasp! xp!
[10:21] <mmuller> i can send my interfaces file if that'll help to look at ?
[10:22] <IRCMonkey> is it a problem if I install from debian sources? I think not becouse its based on sarge
[10:22] <moj0rising> j/k
[10:22] <WeirdAl> I've got Ubuntu on an old 500MHz K6-2 laptop so I can figure out how Linux in general works.
[10:22] <IRCMonkey> i want too install some stuff from sarge
[10:22] <will_>  how do i resize a reiserfs partition? its my home dir
[10:22] <farruinn> IRCMonkey: that's not a good idea
[10:22] <WeirdAl> Then when I get my Athlon 64 I'll be in a good position to use it.
[10:22] <moj0rising> nothing wrong w/ that, weird al.
[10:22] <IRCMonkey> why not?
[10:22] <JDahl> IRCMonkey, do you know about the extra packages in Universe?
[10:22] <IRCMonkey> no
[10:22] <beyond> Hi all !! Can anyone tell me if there is a channel for ZODB users ?
[10:23] <kroon> farruinn, I think one needed to have the system look like a fresh install if dist-upgrading was to catch xorg
[10:23] <IRCMonkey> can you give me the source=
[10:23] <mmuller> WeirdAl, take a look at that.
[10:23] <farruinn> kroon: do you have it working?
[10:23] <WeirdAl> At what, sorry?
[10:23] <farruinn> kroon: dist-upgrade *should* work
[10:23] <IRCMonkey> but it should work its both deb packages
[10:23] <JDahl> IRCMonkey, take a look at universe (just edit sources.list)... I think you'll find what you're looking for
[10:23] <IRCMonkey> ?
[10:23] <mmuller> it might help the file ur XP irc just auto accepted
[10:23] <kroon> farruinn, yeah, I needed to reinstall some deb's i removed, then dist-upgrade would add xorg to the list of upgraded packages
[10:23] <WeirdAl> Oh. Must have been real quick. did it send?
[10:23] <farruinn> IRCMonkey: yeah, but they'r built against different libraries, have different patches, etc.
[10:23] <moj0rising> cybane: just download one from somewhere linke gnome-look.org and convert it w/ gimp.
[10:23] <mmuller> yup. only about 1k in size
[10:24] <moj0rising> if you can swing that.
[10:24] <IRCMonkey> ah
[10:24] <moj0rising> not very hard.
[10:24] <WeirdAl> oh yeah, I got it...
[10:24] <IRCMonkey> and what about the Universe package?
[10:24] <mmuller> dang man, xorg cvs is large !!
[10:24] <tritium> IRCMonkey, add multiverse as well
[10:24] <WeirdAl> Dammit, I need to reinstall textpad now
[10:24] <tritium> there is no need to use packages from sarge
[10:24] <mmuller> lol
[10:24] <mmuller> open it in ie
[10:24] <WeirdAl> Nah, I need to instal TP anyway
[10:25] <IRCMonkey> ie its a sheet
[10:25] <IRCMonkey> bua
[10:25] <moj0rising> ha
[10:25] <goldfish> oh dear
[10:25] <mmuller> tritium, why ?!
[10:25] <WeirdAl> Yeah man
[10:25] <tritium> mmuller, part of winetools
[10:25] <minimec> IRCMonkey: well the inofficial sources like the famous marilliat mplayer sources work without problems. But I would try the ubuntu sources first.
[10:25] <WeirdAl> THat's the ultimate in WTF
[10:25] <IRCMonkey> i hate ie, you make a page and then you gonna look how its in ie and then you say fuck
[10:26] <tritium> actually, some programs are beginning to depend on IE.
[10:26] <WeirdAl> K, I'm going to put the network card back in the slot it was installed from. I switched it just now to see if it would behave...
[10:26] <IRCMonkey> and spacially wen you use dom with complex things
[10:26] <WeirdAl> But, I guess not.
[10:26] <IRCMonkey> us mozilla or firefox
[10:26] <moj0rising> mmuller: some stupid web apps and sites need it. I have two such crappy apps at work.
[10:26] <WeirdAl> I refuse to visit any site that requires I have IE
[10:26] <goldfish> lol
[10:26] <Xappe> would be nice with some spyware in the fake c drive :)
[10:26] <moj0rising> I have to for work.
[10:26] <WeirdAl> Mainly because the only reason for it to require I have IE is so that it can run ActiveX controls.
[10:27] <goldfish> yeah
[10:27] <WeirdAl> And I don't want it to do that.
[10:27] <goldfish> can be dangerous
[10:27] <goldfish> well
[10:27] <WeirdAl> The only site that won't be will be windows update!
[10:27] <WeirdAl> And even that's debatable
[10:27] <IRCMonkey> yes
[10:27] <moj0rising> has anyone here used otr messaging in ubuntu?
[10:27] <Quest-Master> otr?
[10:28] <moj0rising> off the record.
[10:28] <IRCMonkey> ActiveX and thats why there are so many bugs for ie
[10:28] <moj0rising> it is an encryption plugin for gaim.
[10:28] <moj0rising> really neat.
[10:28] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[10:28] <Quest-Master> Has anyone here used ScITE?
[10:28] <moj0rising> not me.
[10:28] <moj0rising> what is that?
[10:28] <WeirdAl> _
[10:29] <WeirdAl> Textpad can open now please.
[10:29] <m0nk_> Can i preorder Ubuntu 5.04?
[10:29] <WeirdAl> Ah. Explorer crashed.
[10:29] <WeirdAl> All surprised, say aye
[10:29] <goldfish> aye
[10:29] <goldfish> :)
[10:29] <WeirdAl> _
[10:30] <Quest-Master> ScITE is an editor for coding in any language
[10:30] <goldfish> nice
[10:30] <m0nk_> strange channel...no admins? freedom doesn't mean chaos XD
[10:30] <Xappe> can you use https proxy with gftp?
[10:30] <WeirdAl> mr mmuller man, where is this file in my filesystem?
[10:30] <Quest-Master> Based on Scintilla
[10:30] <WeirdAl> So I can compare.
[10:30] <moj0rising> Quest-Master: cool.
[10:30] <Quest-Master> I need to get the font in the editing area to look better.. it looks crappier than the font I had on Windows. ;(
[10:31] <Neil3> its my birthday today
[10:31] <Neil3> i'm 22
[10:31] <farruinn> m0nk_: according to www.ubuntulinux.org at the beginning of march
[10:31] <m0nk_> kewl
[10:32] <Neil3> the new ubuntu will be like a late birthday present
[10:32] <Quest-Master> Just a little while to go now till Hoary. :D
[10:33] <mmuller> WeirdAl, /etc/network/...
[10:35] <m0nk_> Is there already a name for the one after? Like Crazy Chameleon ^^'
[10:35] <m0nk_> though that would be SuSE 9.3
[10:36] <farruinn> perky penguin
[10:36] <monkey89> I'm in a fresh install of hoary, and I added my hdb1 backup partition to fstab as /media/hdb1 so gnome would recognize it, but now its on my desktop as hdb1 and I cna't rename it, any ideas?
[10:36] <socomm> Hello, is tomboy broken?
[10:37] <dud> Grumpy Groundhog is the one after hoary
[10:37] <WeirdAl> Damn, what happened to highlight?
[10:37] <WeirdAl> Stupid program
[10:38] <farruinn> dud: ack, you're right, sorry
[10:39] <dud> apart from when I'm wrong, I'm always right!
[10:39] <m0nk_> really *rofl*
[10:39] <dud> yep... thats the word on the street
[10:40] <m0nk_> Scratchy Squirrel if you ask me
[10:40] <Oly_> eeeek, my sounds stopped workin in hoary all together got no idea where to even start looking to fix it
[10:41] <Oly_> anyway i can force the sound driver to reload or somethin ?
[10:41] <Oly_> to see if that helps
[10:41] <dud> see if the module is loaded with lsmod
[10:42] <m0nk_> Why is there no admin or is it just my chatzilla?
[10:42] <TestDummy> I'm using XChat and it says there's no ops in here either, so I'm sure it isn't just you.
[10:42] <WeirdAl> If I edit the interfaces file, does it take effect next time I use the network, or does it get loaded at startup?
[10:43] <Oly_> the answer is not sure, theres a load of sound modules not sure which one i am looking for
[10:43] <dud> this network has chanservices
[10:43] <WeirdAl> No ops, no
[10:43] <Oly_> its onboard sound for an nforce motherboard
[10:43] <Oly_> i knwo that, so it could be the nforce module
[10:43] <dud> you could restart networking to have it take instant effect WeirdAl
[10:44] <WeirdAl> How do I do that, mr dud? :-)
[10:44] <dud> try /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:44] <WeirdAl> Well, not total. But I'm a n00b at adminning a Linux system.
[10:45] <WeirdAl> hmm
[10:45] <WeirdAl> OK I'ma have a look at this file a bit more.
[10:45] <sys2> so still no one that has a kernel config for me? .. (amd64)
[10:46] <dud> sys2, why not use any of the kernels from the repositories?
[10:46] <dud> or, better yet, make your own...
[10:46] <sys2> and once again im not going to use ubuntu .. im just on a hunt for a kernel config becouse every single kernel i build has a strange lag in it
[10:47] <sys2> slows down to almost dead halt as soon as anything on the harddrives are done
[10:47] <sys2> the ubuntu 64bit kernel worked fine tho ... so im just looking for the config :>
[10:47] <minimec> sys2: Why don't you make an oldconfig from the Kernel you use right now?
[10:47] <sys2> becouse im on an 32bit kernel
[10:48] <dud> i'll send you mine, but it would be much better if you just loaded up the ubuntu live cd on the machine in question
[10:48] <sys2> nah that would force me to reboot
[10:48] <sys2> :>
[10:48] <farruinn> um... wouldn't installing a new kernel force you to reboot as well?
[10:48] <sys2> yes
[10:48] <minimec> sys2: Ok.
[10:49] <sys2> but if i have to reboot for the kernel config it would be reboot, start ubuntu, copy config, reboot, start my current distro, compile kernel, reboot
[10:49] <sys2> but if someone sends me a config its compile kernel reboot
[10:49] <sys2> :P
[10:49] <ImagistTD> Anyone know how to work ndiswrapper?
[10:49] <dud> let me send you mine then...
[10:49] <ImagistTD> I'm new to linux and I don't know how to install it so that I can use my Wireless B notebook adapter.
[10:50] <sys2> so do it :>
[10:50] <monkey89> ImagistTD, most wireless B have linux drivers already
[10:50] <monkey89> ndiswrapper is meant for wireless g
[10:50] <cocol> is it poible to punt the frontend of the Update Manager on the taskbar in KDE?
[10:50] <cocol> possible
[10:51] <dud> sys2, accept the file?
[10:51] <sys2> no workie
[10:51] <sys2> and no im not behind a fwq
[10:51] <sys2> fw
[10:51] <dud> hold on then...
[10:51] <monkey89> and does anyone know how to change the name of an auto desktop shortcut for a second hard disk
[10:51] <ImagistTD> Where do I get the drivers then?
[10:51] <WeirdAl> Does anyone know if there's an equivalent to the interfaces file in Windows XP?
[10:51] <sys2> or anything else :>
[10:51] <monkey89> ImagistTD, what wireless card
[10:51] <Riddell> cocol: yes, systray icons should just work between gnome and kde
[10:51] <monkey89> WeirdAl, what's that file do
[10:51] <WeirdAl> Bunch of IP addresses.
[10:51] <WeirdAl> For the network.
[10:51] <monkey89> WeirdAl, it maps IP to hostnames?
[10:52] <mmuller> whats wrong WeirdAl
[10:52] <WeirdAl> I don't know if they're correct without some form of reference that actually works on the network.
[10:52] <TestDummy> I still cannot get the Internet to work. I've tried two Ethernet cards and also USB, but nothing has worked... I've tried asking on the forums but nothing suguessted has worked there
[10:52] <cocol> have dont have to install anew in kde?
[10:52] <mmuller> sorry downloading cvs tree for xorg
[10:52] <WeirdAl> well, mmuller, my interfaces file has a lot more things in it than yours.
[10:52] <mmuller> probably, mine is striped down
[10:52] <mmuller> manually
[10:52] <Riddell> cocol: shouldn't have to
[10:52] <cocol> i dont have to install it anew in kde,Riddell
[10:52] <mmuller> send me urs
[10:52] <WeirdAl> er
[10:52] <cocol> ok....(B)
[10:52] <ImagistTD> monkey89: It's the linksys wpc11 wireless B notebook adapter v.4
[10:53] <WeirdAl> OK hang on.
[10:53] <mmuller> i will take a quick look
[10:53] <Riddell> cocol: no
[10:53] <WeirdAl> That's going to require USB clippage!
[10:53] <WeirdAl> brb
[10:53] <mmuller> havent got long though
[10:53] <mmuller> :)
[10:53] <monkey89> ImagistTD, ok, maybe its ndsiwrapper: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16054&highlight=wpc11
[10:53] <monkey89> oh, thats you
[10:53] <monkey89> meh
[10:53] <mmuller> can someone change the topic !! Array 5 was released a few days ago now !!
[10:53] <monkey89> what problems are you ahving] 
[10:54] <pagefault> ooh array 5
[10:54] <dud> sys2, http://transmission.curbsqueal.com/linux_ubuntu_config-2.6.10-3-amd64-generic
[10:54] <dud> there :>
[10:54] <sys2> thanks :>
[10:54] <WeirdAl> this laptop is hella slow!
[10:54] <minimec> ImagistTD: what card or usb device do you have?
[10:55] <ImagistTD> Just a sec.
[10:55] <TestDummy> Anybody?
[10:55] <TestDummy> I've tried a few things but it won't work still..
[10:55] <mmuller> tried what TestDummy
[10:56] <ImagistTD> Dang, my sister is making me get off.  I guess I won't be getting it to work today.
[10:56] <PoW> Has anyone successfully gotten their soundblaster audigy 2 to work with ubuntu?
[10:56] <TestDummy> I should have sworn I've said it twice already... I've been trying to get the Internet connection to work. I've tried two Ethernet cards and USB
[10:56] <TestDummy> I get nothing...
[10:56] <WeirdAl> mr mmuller, please to grab this http://narf.smileville.co.uk/interfaces
[10:56] <WeirdAl> I'd've DCC'd but that never works.
[10:56] <WeirdAl> Damned router.
[10:57] <monkey89> one last try, I've mounted my hdb1 backup partition and gnome put it on the desktop as hdb1 but I can't rename it, any ideaS
[10:57] <mmuller> WeirdAl, ur router is definately set as .1.1 ? yeh ?
[10:58] <mmuller> Xappe, dont confuse him just yet. lets get his networking running first
[10:58] <Xappe> :)
[10:58] <WeirdAl> Yeah
[10:58] <TestDummy> No one has any ideas?
[10:58] <WeirdAl> I can ping it from right here
[10:59] <mmuller> WeirdAl, this isn't a wireless card is it ?
[10:59] <WeirdAl> No, PCMCIA ethernet.
[10:59] <mmuller> and the router pings under windows ?
[10:59] <WeirdAl> Light's on.
[10:59] <WeirdAl> Yep
[10:59] <mmuller> what make of card ?
[10:59] <minimec> TestDummy: So you wanted a normal internat connection via Ethernet?
[10:59] <WeirdAl> I can access the HTML admin section.
[10:59] <WeirdAl> (on the sae IP)
[10:59] <WeirdAl> m
[10:59] <mmuller> and does the light come on in ubuntu
[10:59] <WeirdAl> 3com
[10:59] <TestDummy> minimec: Yeah, that's what I've been trying to down
[11:00] <TestDummy> do*
[11:00] <WeirdAl> The hardware light or the software light?
[11:00] <mmuller> hardware on the card
[11:00] <WeirdAl> Yeah.
[11:00] <TestDummy> I've tried two cards, it activates them and it then it deactiates a second later
[11:00] <WeirdAl> The 100T light is steady :-\
[11:00] <minimec> Torakiky: So what steps did you do, to get the connection?
[11:00] <mmuller> dns servers are set right ?
[11:00] <WeirdAl> Same as on this PC.
[11:00] <WeirdAl> So yes.
[11:00] <WeirdAl> brb... router's downstairs. gonna see what it thinks.
[11:00] <minimec> TestDummy: So what steps did you do, to get the connection?
[11:01] <bjugis> I'm searching for a "how to" for compiling a customized kernel for ubuntu. How do I do it with the initrd image? My goal is to keep the module hpt366 from loading.
[11:01] <mmuller> try adding auto eth0 into the interface file under the auto lo
[11:01] <mmuller> then reboot maybe
[11:01] <monkey89> bjugis, is there a hotplug blacklist to add it to
[11:01] <mmuller> it might be that its not being initialised on boot
[11:01] <TestDummy> I tried to add the connection, and told it to use DHCP or whatever its called, it said the card was eth0, which I guess makes sense. I go to activate it and it doesn't stay..
[11:01] <minimec> TestDummy: so it activates them when you're booting?
[11:01] <bjugis> It didn't work very well =/
[11:01] <Torakiky> minimec: query me
[11:02] <WeirdAl> Does eth0 refer to the card or the slot?
[11:02] <TestDummy> Nah, it just sits for like a minute saying it's doing somethingwith the network and doesn't do anything
[11:02] <mmuller> just the card
[11:02] <WeirdAl> 'cause I've not moved the card back to the other slot yet.
[11:02] <mmuller> afaik
[11:02] <minimec> Torakiky: Sorry. I took the wrong nick :-)
[11:02] <WeirdAl> OK so that shouldn't matter?
[11:02] <Torakiky> minimec: k
[11:03] <TestDummy> But yeah, it seems to know what both cards are, it just won't keep the connection active...
[11:03] <minimec> TestDummy: ok let's try it by hand.
[11:03] <bjugis> monkey89: it loads when I boot. I have a Highpoint raid controller that needs a nother driver than the driver initrd loads for it.
[11:03] <TestDummy> By hand?
[11:03] <minimec> TestDummy: do the fallowing: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1
[11:03] <monkey89> bjugis, not sure then, sorry
[11:04] <TestDummy> Well, I'm gonna have to write this down, I'm in Windows right now :P
[11:04] <bjugis> monkey89: thanks anyway =)
[11:04] <minimec> TestDummy: ok. this was the first step.
[11:04] <TestDummy> Okay, whats the second?
[11:04] <Codyman> hi... i installed a kde app which required kde libraries which installed as well.. but now they screwed up my "applications" menu and have added a ton of crap in there.. i have removed the kde libs now but they're still there.. how can i change the menu back to the default ubuntu state
[11:04] <minimec> TestDummy: then sudo dhclient eth0
[11:05] <dud> bjugis, excellent howto on compiling a kerrnel the debian way for 2.6 kernels
[11:05] <dud> which also will work for ubuntu, as its debian based :
[11:05] <TestDummy> Then?
[11:05] <dud> :) even
[11:05] <minimec> TestDummy: that's it. :-)
[11:05] <TestDummy> What's that supposed to do anyway?
[11:05] <bjugis> dud: do you have a url please ? ;)
[11:05] <minimec> first step. You configure your card with an static ip
[11:06] <dud> bjugis, http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[11:06] <TestDummy> Uh huh..
[11:06] <TestDummy> But that's not my IP :P
[11:06] <bjugis> dud: thanks =)
[11:06] <Riddell> Codyman: what did they add that you don't want?
[11:06] <minimec> TestDummy: second step: You're asking for an dynamic one with the dhclient software.
[11:06] <dud> just remember that there's a few things you might wanna do differently than the howto, as it *is* for debian not ubuntu
[11:06] <TestDummy> But mine isn't dynamic either, it's static >_<
[11:07] <minimec> TestDummy: So what is your ip?
[11:07] <Codyman> Riddell: "Applications" and misc subcategories in each folder such as now games also has categories such as arcade etc... also there is no longer any icons for the menu categories
[11:07] <dud> dont use dhclient if you have a static ip...
[11:07] <TestDummy> I know what my IP is, but what do I do then since it's static?
[11:08] <flosch> hi
[11:08] <minimec> TestDummy: you do 'sudo ifconfig 192..... (your ip)
[11:08] <TestDummy> ?
[11:08] <TestDummy> 5 dots after 192?
[11:08] <Codyman> anyone know of a good id3 app that supports id3v2
[11:09] <minimec> TestDummy: sudo ifconfig eth0 (then your ip)
[11:09] <TestDummy> Okay, I'll see if that works..
[11:09] <minimec> TestDummy: Then you have to set the dns Server.
[11:09] <sys2> http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=icescraper.wmv
[11:09] <sys2> for you all ... from.. me
[11:10] <Levander> by default warty installation, is there any reason why I would not be able to log into my dovecot imap server from another machine on my home network?
[11:10] <mmuller> help, i need the kernel header files to compile xorg repositories only seem to have 2.6.9 not 2.6.10 which is the hoary kernel isn't it ?
[11:10] <Levander> i can get to the mail server via dns, with the ping command
[11:10] <Levander> can get to it fine from the same machine dovecot is running on
[11:10] <TestDummy> mimimec: Uh, I think I know what my DNS server is, from looking it up in Windows but, does that ever change or is it always the one it says it is?
[11:10] <dud> Levander, should work.. as ubuntu has no default firewall or such :/
[11:11] <Levander> dud, doesn't though
[11:11] <minimec> TestDummy: it doesn't matter.
[11:12] <speel> hey any one knows of any good ubuntu repos?
[11:12] <Shinigami> ok, hopefully a quick and easy one for some one.  I'm trying to use a LexMar USB JumpDrive.  Info Center in KDE sees it, but I can't find it and I do not see it in the /mnt, so I am assuming I have not got it mounted or mounted coreectly.  Can I get some advice on getting it mounted?
[11:12] <dud> Levander, hmm... you'll have to trouble shoot then I suppose
[11:12] <TestDummy> Okay, I guess I'll try this out ad see if it helps
[11:12] <WeirdAl> wtf
[11:12] <WeirdAl> When did my DNS servers change to 168
[11:12] <minimec> TestDummy: Ok. I will stay here for a while...
[11:12] <WeirdAl> I mean 192
[11:12] <WeirdAl> _
[11:13] <acidmaxd> Shinigami: maybe it is in /media ?
[11:13] <TestDummy> Thanks :P
[11:13] <minimec> TestDummy: Wait a moment
[11:13] <speel> hey any one knows of any good ubuntu repos?
[11:13] <minimec> to late...
[11:13] <acidmaxd> speel: universe, multiverse and backports is all you'll ever need :)
[11:14] <WeirdAl> omgawdzors!!
[11:14] <WeirdAl> Teh ping reply!
[11:14] <Shinigami> Acidmaxd: all I see there is the cdroms & the floppies...
[11:14] <WeirdAl> I'd like to thank dud and mmuller and...
[11:14] <WeirdAl> Now I can apt-get!
[11:15] <speel> lol but i want to go packages crazy like atleast 1000
[11:15] <acidmaxd> speel: there are more than 14 000
[11:16] <speel> =oO dident know that
[11:16] <Levander> dud, apparently dovecot does not listen for network connections by default in ubuntu installs, trying to figure out syntax to get it to listen now
[11:16] <speel> they would be in archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ right?
[11:18] <mmuller> WeirdAl, working ?
[11:18] <WeirdAl> Yeah man
[11:18] <acidmaxd> speel: you can read about universe and multiverse on http://ubuntuguide.org, and about backports on http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[11:18] <WeirdAl> Big thanks :)
[11:18] <WeirdAl> Now I need to figure out how to install Firefox 1.0
[11:18] <mmuller> np. glad to help
[11:18] <WeirdAl> On account of apt-get didn't do it
[11:18] <mmuller> u using hoary or warty ?
[11:18] <speel> thanks
[11:18] <acidmaxd> WeirdAl: warty?
[11:19] <WeirdAl> Er.
[11:19] <WeirdAl> *cough(
[11:19] <WeirdAl> *
[11:19] <WeirdAl> I dunno. :-)
[11:19] <WeirdAl> I downloaded it yonks ago, so I'm gonna need some way of finding out.
[11:19] <mmuller> do you have ubuntu update manager in ur desktop menu ?
[11:20] <mmuller> do you have a desktop menu or system menu across the top of screen
[11:20] <WeirdAl> I have an apps menu and a computer menu
[11:20] <acidmaxd> WeirdAl: open Terminal and type: "cat /etc/issue"
[11:21] <mmuller> computer = warty afaik
[11:21] <WeirdAl> WAarty
[11:21] <WeirdAl> -A
[11:21] <WeirdAl> thx acid
[11:21] <mmuller> :)
[11:21] <WeirdAl> I'm hovering in that state of "I know some commands but now I need to know what they do"
[11:21] <acidmaxd> WeirdAl: the best way to install firefox 1.0 is using the backports collection
[11:21] <mmuller> firefox 1.0 needs backport
[11:21] <WeirdAl> :o
[11:22] <WeirdAl> I suppose this isn't in a useful place like the CD, and I'm going to have to download something \o/
[11:22] <acidmaxd> WeirdAl: open /etc/apt/sources.list and append this:
[11:22] <W3BMAST3R101> Yo. Does any one know of a tool for gnome that will update my menu?
[11:22] <mmuller> u could do a apt-get dist-upgrade after changing etc/apt/source.list to hoary
[11:22] <WeirdAl> Proof of the network is in the connecting.
[11:22] <acidmaxd> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[11:23] <mmuller> WeirdAl, lol
[11:23] <W3BMAST3R101> possibly like kde's menu updater?
[11:23] <acidmaxd> WeirdAl: and then update, upgrade, dist-upgrade
[11:23] <WeirdAl> Okidoki
[11:23] <acidmaxd> WeirdAl: or apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox
[11:23] <WeirdAl> That's a lot of typing... hang on.
[11:23] <mmuller> W3BMAST3R101, there isnt one for hoary it got taken out by gnome devs
[11:23] <W3BMAST3R101> what is it called?
[11:24] <W3BMAST3R101> i have my package database setup for all packages
[11:24] <W3BMAST3R101> i just need the name :-)
[11:24] <WeirdAl> While I'm here, does anyone know of a Linux version of Synergy that's compatible with the Windows one?
[11:24] <acidmaxd> WeirdAl: the last one is 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox', sorry :)
[11:24] <WeirdAl> then I could be copy-pasting this across the network
[11:24] <W3BMAST3R101> weirdal: there is such a creature
[11:24] <mmuller> WeirdAl, cheat
[11:25] <W3BMAST3R101> wierdal: its on sourceforge
[11:25] <WeirdAl> I tell you what I can do
[11:25] <W3BMAST3R101> wierdal: i cant remember where though
[11:25] <WeirdAl> I can open x-chat and paste it to myself
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[11:25] <mmuller> ta da !
[11:25] <mmuller> indeed
[11:25] <morchuboo> Hi all - I have my ubuntu box connected to my cable modem via eth1 and eth0 connects to a hub so that my laptop can share the connection. I have set firestarter to use eth1 as the internet connection and wtho0 for the local network and enable sharing. My laptop can ping my ubuntu box fine on 192.168.0.1 but cant go to any web pages.... anyone help???
[11:25] <Mitario> anyone happens to know how I turn of the system beep?
[11:26] <acidmaxd> Mitario: cut the wires :P
[11:26] <W3BMAST3R101> morchuboo: what documentation are you using?
[11:26] <Mitario> hehe ;)
[11:26] <acidmaxd> Mitario: don't laugh, i did that :)
[11:26] <mmuller> isnt it under sound in preferences
[11:26] <Mitario> i remember there was some tool for it, but i cant remember which one
[11:27] <mmuller> system bell- sound an audible bell
[11:27] <morchuboo> W3BMAST3R101: Ive looked on firestarters help but cant find any pointers - do i need to run a dsn server on my ubuntu box for it?
[11:27] <mmuller> maybe /
[11:27] <mmuller> ? even
[11:27] <mmuller> right i'm off. enough for me tonight
[11:27] <spiral> hmmm, any new of the wifi driver for ipw2200 ?
[11:27] <acidmaxd> morchuboo: you can use your ISPs DNS server if you know it
[11:27] <WeirdAl> oh goddammit
[11:27] <mmuller> and no daniels about either !! bugger
[11:28] <mmuller> nn all
[11:28] <WeirdAl> Pinging router != pinging google
[11:28] <speel> is there any way to dlt a pkg and the dependencys it downloaded?
[11:28] <WeirdAl> cya man :-)
[11:28] <mmuller> still working ?
[11:28] <WeirdAl> I think I got it.
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[11:28] <mmuller> sweet. i can leave with a smile !
[11:29] <morchuboo> i can ping my ubuntu box, it connects to the local network on eth0 but the internet on my other network card eth1 - do i need to bridge them so local network can see eth1?
[11:29] <GammaRay> morchuboo: I'm not really sure how cable works but check /etc/resolv.conf for any dns entries your laptop can use
[11:29] <morchuboo> GammaRay, thnx - ill try
[11:30] <WeirdAl> yep
[11:30] <WeirdAl> Off you go, all warm and fuzzy inside :-)
[11:30] <sys2> me also wants some pot
[11:33] <zebee> hi
[11:33] <monkey89> someone here's gotta know, how do you rename the shortcuts in the gnome "Computer" window?
[11:33] <morchuboo> GammaRay, That worked a charm! thank you - guess i should have used DHCP, would have done it for me - thank you very much
[11:35] <AndyR> lo all
[11:36] <kcs> hi
[11:37] <AndyR> anyone know of a gnome front end for clam?
[11:37] <|QuaD-> AndyR: are you worried about virus's?
[11:37] <AndyR> |QuaD-, yes, should i be?
[11:37] <|QuaD-> AndyR: i don't think so
[11:38] <garfield> hi, can anyone tell me which package man pages for math.h etc. can be found in?
[11:38] <|QuaD-> AndyR: just know what you are downloading/opening... in general don't install things that aren't from apt-get..... and you should be fine
[11:39] <AndyR> |QuaD-, if your not worried about virus' why are you here?
[11:39] <fsc> garfield, probably glibc-dev
[11:39] <fsc> garfield, or something like that
[11:39] <jbailey> garfield: manpages-dev
[11:39] <garfield> fsc: I've already tried quite a few packages, but no luck
[11:40] <garfield> jbailey, no luck either
[11:40] <jbailey> garfield: Eh?  Which function are you looking for?
[11:40] <bretzel> Sorry but : How do I enable gcc ( 4.0; or 3.3.5; or 3.4 etc./......)) not in my $PATH ) all the gcc version mentionned are INSTALLED!
[11:40] <SeanQ> w00t
[11:41] <SeanQ> i'm putting hoary on
[11:41] <garfield> jbailey, well it's just all kind of stuff in std libraries
[11:41] <WW> Hello, world.
[11:41] <jbailey> garfield: The standard library man pages are certainly in manpages-dev.  If you can tell me one that you're missing I can check to see why.
[11:42] <AndyR> WW, hello from uk
[11:42] <garfield> actually it's not quite for me as I normally uses Gentoo where I've got them, but it's for my friend who just migrated from XP to Ubuntu
[11:42] <WW> gftp has an "FTP" protocol option.  Is that actually secure ftp?  Is should I use ssh2 for secure transers?
[11:42] <WW> s/Is should/Or should/
[11:42] <garfield> jbailey, the one I've been trying with is math.h
[11:42] <|QuaD-> AndyR: this channel isn't for people worried about virus's
[11:43] <minimec> TestDummy: Did it work?
[11:43] <TestDummy> Nope.
[11:43] <jbailey> garfield: There aren't man pages for the headers, just for functions.
[11:43] <minimec> TestDummy: where was the problem?
[11:43] <TestDummy> I don't know, all I know is it didn't work.
[11:43] <minimec> TestDummy: did the ifconfig thing work?
[11:44] <kroon> Is something similar to xcompmgr availiable in Hoary devel ?
[11:44] <TestDummy> Nope. Didn't seem to do anything
[11:45] <minimec> TestDummy: should we try it again? Step by step?
[11:45] <WW> Also, what is the standard port for ftp?
[11:45] <garfield> jbailey, I don't no about how Debian and the like package your docs, but I assure you I've got man math.h on my Gentoo systems when glibc is installed
[11:45] <TestDummy> I guess..
[11:45] <minimec> TestDummy: ok. 1. sudo ifconfig eth0 (then your ip)
[11:46] <TestDummy> I did that first..
[11:46] <TestDummy> Wait..
[11:46] <AndyR> |QuaD-, no its not but i am a ubuntu hoary user that is running sylpheed-claws and clamav
[11:46] <TestDummy> Does that need to be in a root terminal or regular?
[11:46] <minimec> TestDummy: 2. Try to do a ping on the card you just configured. sudo ping (your ip)
[11:46] <WeirdAl> I'm having trouble again if anyone's available?
[11:46] <TestDummy> Okay..
[11:46] <jbailey> garfield: I'm one of the glibc maintainers.  I can promise you that we don't have it. =)
[11:47] <minimec> TestDummy: If this works. try to ping the server.
[11:47] <garfield> jbailey, I'm also quite confident that Debian has man for math.h somewhere as I believe I've seend my Debian friend use it, but he happens to be on hollyday for another week, so I thought I try figure it myself
[11:47] <TestDummy> minimec: What server?
[11:47] <garfield> jbailey, :)
[11:47] <minimec> TestDummy: Well you told me, that you have a fix ip. So there must be a server or a router.
[11:48] <TestDummy> Well, I don't have a router
[11:48] <WW> I'm trying to use the nifty gFTP program, but I can't seem to get it to connect to the remote computers.  sftp works fine at the command line.
[11:48] <TestDummy> But I don't know what server you are reffering to.
[11:48] <minimec> TestDummy: so you are connecting directly to the internet?
[11:48] <TestDummy> It's cable Internet..
[11:49] <TestDummy> I was going to try it over USB, but I'm having to resort to Ethernet
[11:49] <minimec> TestDummy: ok. So this should be quiet simple.
[11:49] <jbailey> garfield: Are you unsure of what math function you want?  You might do better off with the actual glibc documentation.  http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/
[11:49] <jbailey> garfield: The man pages we have are basically setup to give function information only.
[11:50] <wm_eddie> DOes anybody with Hoary know if im-ja is in Universe?
[11:50] <minimec> TestDummy: just configure your card with ifconfig. sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1
[11:50] <TestDummy> What's 192.168.1.1 anyway?
[11:50] <minimec> TestDummy: then sudo dhclient eth0
[11:50] <WeirdAl> My problem goes thus, if anyone can help: If I set my IP to be dynamic, I get something e.g. 192.168.1.105, and from this I can ping Google happily. If I set it to static and do ip add eth0 I get exactly the same readout apart from the IP address itself, which I set to 192.168.1.2, and I get no response from Google...
[11:50] <WeirdAl> addr*
[11:51] <ktech> hi guys... I was going to download ubuntu, but wanted to know if there is a more current beta, or something like a "developer version", or something like that (bleeding edge)
[11:51] <minimec> TestDummy: This is just an ip for your system. The Computer has to identify your ethernet card. So just give this ip to eth0
[11:51] <TestDummy> minimec: I'm confused. Do I just do the last two stemp you mentioned or what?
[11:51] <garfield> jbailey, you're right that there's other source for that stuff, I just happens to use man <header> in Gentoo and thought I could show my friend that
[11:51] <WW> Has anyone successfully used gFTP?
[11:51] <TestDummy> minimec: So it's just a loopback?
[11:52] <minimec> TestDummy: Do that: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 then dhclient sth0
[11:52] <kcs>  /py console
[11:52] <minimec> sudo dhclient eth0
[11:52] <minimec> TestDummy: sorry :-)
[11:52] <TestDummy> So just do that last step?
[11:52] <minimec> TestDummy: Do that: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 then sudo dhclient eth0
[11:53] <TestDummy> Okay, I'll give that a shot. If it doesn't work, I'll probably be back again =|
[11:53] <TestDummy> minimec: Thanks again :)
[11:53] <minimec> TestDummy: no problem. Anyway I would like to know if it worked. :-)
[11:55] <garfield> jbailey, why didn't you just say you've got info math.h :)
[11:56] <garfield> jbailey, but thank you for your time
[11:58] <schneiko> i have a problem here: nslookup from the client (ubuntu) needs about 5 seconds to resolv a host name. when i do it on the server (a host that is NOT in the cache), it goes as fast as it should - whats wrong with the ubuntu-config? any suggestions?