[06:24] <Liz> anyone know if abiword is installed by default?..i only ask cause i know mine was..
[06:30] <Liz> brb
[07:15] <plovs_work> morning all
[07:15] <froud> morning plovs. African greetings
[07:16] <Kotiro> greetings
[07:16] <Kotiro> oops
[07:17] <froud> Hello Liz
[07:17] <Liz> hello froud
[07:17] <Liz> i did have a question earlier..
[07:17] <froud> r u normally known as Kotiro?
[07:17] <Liz> no..as Liz
[07:18] <froud> yes I saw th equestion, not sure I understand
[07:18] <Liz> kotiro means girl in maori
[07:18] <Liz> when i set this system up..abiword was installed by default
[07:18] <Liz> but i asked a friend..it wasnt installed by default on his
[07:18] <Liz> so i was just wondering, since i didnt see anything on it in the quickguide
[07:18] <Liz> if it was installed by default or not?
[07:19] <froud> No Abiword is not installed by default
[07:19] <froud> It will only install on Upgrade if you have already got it installed
[07:19] <Liz> it was already installed
[07:19] <froud> on new install you need to select it for install
[07:19] <Liz> then again..i did install ubuntu when it was first released
[07:19] <Liz> im wondering if it could be because i have a pre-release installation as well
[07:20] <froud> So it was an upgrade
[07:20] <Liz> i never got around to doing the full install when the shipit discs arrived
[07:20] <Liz> tho i have done all the upgrades etc
[07:20] <froud> most of us are running hoary development branches now
[07:20] <Liz> ditto..tho i had to go backwards at one part cause of some conflicts i had with other software
[07:21] <Liz> to get them to work
[07:21] <froud> strange, I did not have those problems. Have not heard any of the other team talking about it either
[07:21] <Liz> i have seen in on the mailing list
[07:21] <Liz> and a friend who i sent my discs too..did have problems with his
[07:22] <froud> perhaps, I meant to doc team 
[07:22] <Liz> but its to do with monitors and sound cards etc
[07:22] <Liz> and network cards
[07:22] <Liz> and video cards
[07:22] <froud> Yes there are problems in those areas
[07:22] <froud> most of them are resolved now
[07:22] <Liz> i just had a problem with mplayer 
[07:23] <froud> why with mplayer
[07:23] <Liz> not quite sure
[07:23] <froud> ok
[07:23] <Liz> when i upgraded, some files just wouldnt install
[07:23] <Liz> alsa headers, xorg..and some other lib files
[07:23] <froud> I see dependancy problems
[07:24] <Liz> yeah
[07:24] <plovs_work> Liz, abiword is not installed by default
[07:24] <Liz> which was a little annoying
[07:24] <froud> normally    synaptic will take care of all that for you
[07:24] <Liz> thansk plovs_work..
[07:24] <Liz> normally..but i updated a few programs ..ie ..mozilla..and gaim
[07:24] <Liz> which doesnt show up on the synaptic lists yet
[07:25] <froud> gaim is part of hoary
[07:25] <froud> dunno about mozilla cause I just user firefox
[07:25] <Liz> yes.its part of warty too
[07:25] <Liz> after the hassle i had with java..mozilla is staying
[07:25] <Liz> tho i have both running now
[07:25] <froud> so I don''t understand the problem
[07:25] <froud> java
[07:25] <Liz> what version of gaim do you run?
[07:26] <froud> whew girl what ar eyou running
[07:26] <Liz> what versions in hoary?
[07:26] <froud> I dont run it it's just there, 
[07:27] <Liz> ahh..well ..i do use it
[07:27] <froud> My hoary boxes are for devel
[07:27] <Liz> ahhh.
[07:27] <froud> so hows your patch comming
[07:27] <Liz> good..i sent it to enrico yesterday
[07:27] <froud> remember work small patch often
[07:28] <froud> yes I saw that
[07:28] <froud> nice one
[07:28] <Liz> thanks
[07:28] <froud> no thank you
[07:28] <froud> you should try some original writing on some of the sections marked help
[07:30] <froud> /*[@status="help"] 
[07:31] <Liz> yes..found it
[07:31] <Liz> im using gedit
[07:32] <froud> this should help then 
[07:32] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[1] /sect1[4]  - id="qg-additional-resources" status="help"
[07:32] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[3] /sect1[5]  - id="qg-office" status="help"
[07:32] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[1] /sect2[5]  - id="qg-shared-folders" status="help"
[07:32] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[1] /sect2[7]  - id="qg-time-and-date" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[1] /sect2[9]  - id="qg-users-and-groups" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[1]  - id="qg-assistive-technology" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[2]  - id="qg-cd-database-server" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[3]  - id="qg-desktop-background" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[4]  - id="qg-file-management" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[5]  - id="qg-font" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[6]  - id="qg-keyboard" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[7]  - id="qg-keyboard-shortcuts" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[8]  - id="qg-login-photo" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[9]  - id="qg-menus-toolbars" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[10]  - id="qg-mouse" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[11]  - id="qg-multimedia-system-selector" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[12]  - id="qg-network-proxy" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[13]  - id="qg-preferred-applications" status="help"
[07:33] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[14]  - id="qg-remote-desktop" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[15]  - id="qg-removable-storage" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[16]  - id="qg-screensaver" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[17]  - id="qg-sessions" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[18]  - id="qg-sound" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[19]  - id="qg-theme" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[2] /sect2[20]  - id="qg-windows" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[5]  - id="qg-about-gnome" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> /book[1] /chapter[5] /sect1[6]  - id="qg-about" status="help"
[07:34] <froud> These are all the sections that are marked help as of r546
[07:34] <froud> BTW. If  you see sections marked review and you think they are as good as finished. Please do mark them complete
[07:35] <Liz> oh..ok
[07:35] <Liz> im decided to start from the bottom actually...
[07:35] <froud> well that is a good way to start
[07:36] <Liz> yeah..
[07:36] <Liz> tho..some things i might have to actually enable, to see what they do..hehe
[07:37] <froud> If you mark a status as complete and it contains an authorblurb then please <!-- comment the authorblurb -->
[07:37] <froud> Keep text simple and quick. My thinking is that we need to get at least all texts into the document
[07:38] <froud> then we can add to it later
[07:38] <froud> if we have all intro para texts then at least users wont see just the word 'Text' under the screenshot
[07:38] <froud> from this point we can build more.
[07:39] <froud> although we must take care not to get to carried away, this is the Quick Guide afterall
[07:39] <froud> We will have plenty more to write in the User Guide
[07:41] <Liz> rightio
[08:15] <Liz> hello jeffsch
[08:15] <Liz> and brb
[08:19] <jeffsch> greetings. this is my first irc experience. wow.
[08:19] <Liz> well then welcome
[08:19] <froud> hello jeffsch 
[08:19] <froud> welcome to irc
[08:20] <jeffsch> thanks. I still figuring out how to use x-chat
[08:20] <Liz> froud..any idea exactly what movement key actually does?
[08:20] <froud> movement key?
[08:21] <Liz> under computer, desktop preferences, windows
[08:21] <Liz> its the last option..ive tried it..but i cant see what it actually does
[08:23] <plovs_work> Liz, it is to move windows around, usually you grab them with the top-bar
[08:23] <plovs_work> but you can also press alt and then anywhere in the window press the mousebutton and move around
[08:23] <plovs_work> good when your window is too big or something
[08:23] <jeffsch> the help for the movement key is not very clear, is it?
[08:23] <Liz> ahh..ok
[08:24] <Liz> no, its not
[08:24] <jeffsch> i never would have guessed that...
[08:24] <Liz> i actually asked in teh ubuntu channel..hehe
[08:24] <Liz> but then screwed up my taskbar and had to restart it
[08:26] <Liz> froud, if i do an authorburb..im right in putting in my own name yes?
[08:32] <froud> Yes
[08:33] <froud> the authorblurbs are used for notes to each other during devel. We comment them out in the release.
[08:37] <froud> jeffsch: your patch has been applied. Thanks. svn up everyone there are a few sections touched in that patch. :-)
[08:38] <Liz> sending you my patch froud
[08:39] <froud> send them on, I'm in the mood for hunking :-)
[08:39] <froud> feeel like hunking, oh come on and hunk with me
[08:41] <Liz> hehe
[08:41] <Liz> sent
[08:43] <jeffsch> what app are you all using for changes? I started with gedit, but now trying jedit
[08:43] <Liz> gedit
[08:43] <Liz> im used to using that
[08:44] <froud> jedit is better
[08:44] <Liz> funny enough, i installed all the files to allow abiword to open it, but it just crashed
[08:44] <froud> I use Oxygen XML Editor. 
[08:44] <froud> many here use VIM
[08:44] <froud> some use emacs
[08:44] <Liz> ive used emacs
[08:44] <Liz> but i need all my notes on hand..i never remember the commands
[08:44] <Liz> and i always screw up
[08:45] <froud> Liz: your patch has been applied. Thanks. everyone can svn up again
[08:45] <jeffsch> I used emacs a few years ago, but i forgot everything
[08:45] <jeffsch> i also tried vim, but like emacs, it's a lot of work to get good at
[08:45] <Liz> ill stick to using gedit i think
[08:46] <Liz> i use that to edit html pages as well
[08:46] <Liz> i did use qanta for a while..cause it does php highlighting as well
[08:46] <froud> any text editor will do
[08:47] <froud> well I am off to do some other work. yes, I do have other things to do. Thanks for the patches this morning jeffsch and Liz . Made a great start to my day.
[08:47] <Liz> have a great day
[08:48] <Liz> i gotta go deal with dinner 
[08:48] <jeffsch> my day is just ending - almost midnight
[08:48] <Liz> mines still got 6 hours to go
[08:48] <froud> 09H38 in Johannesburg South Africa and what a sunny morn after two wet days. 
[08:49] <froud> now all I gotta do is get rid of this cold before I travell to Cape Town
[08:49] <jeffsch> in Vancouver we have just had a week without a cloud in the sky
[08:49] <jeffsch> after 2 weeks of continuous rain
[08:49] <Liz> we've had 4 days of afternoon thunderstorms and rain
[08:51] <Liz> neway..im off 
[08:51] <Liz> see ya later all
[08:51] <jeffsch> bye. me go too. sleep.
[01:01] <Liz> hello abelli
[01:02] <abelli> Liz: hello
[01:03] <Liz> how are you tonight?
[01:03] <Liz> well, its night here
[01:04] <abelli> well thank you..
[01:04] <abelli> im about having lunch.
[01:04] <Liz> whats for lunch?
[01:04] <abelli> dunno..
[01:05] <abelli> give me 10 minutes
[01:05] <Liz> hehe
[01:05] <abelli> "read" you later..
[01:06] <abelli> ciao
[01:06] <abelli> After the ambulances go
[01:06] <abelli> Is cinderella sweeping up
[01:06] <abelli> On desolation row
[01:07] <Liz> hehe
[01:07] <Liz> later
[01:07] <Liz> enjoy your lunch
[01:08] <sivang> hey Liz what's up?
[01:08] <sivang> how's docing go?
[01:09] <Liz> its going ok..
[01:09] <Liz> i decided to start from the bottom and work my way up
[01:09] <Liz> how are you sivang?
[01:10] <Kinnison>  
[01:15] <abelli> back
[01:17] <abelli> Liz: spagetti && artichoke salad
[01:17] <abelli> Kinnison: au iz u?
[01:17] <abelli> doing?
[01:17] <Kinnison> pardon?
[01:17] <Liz> never had artichoke
[01:18] <abelli> Liz: do you want some
[01:18] <abelli> ?
[01:18] <abelli> Kinnison: how are you doing?
[01:18] <Kinnison> abelli: I'm doing fine thanks. How are you?
[01:19] <abelli> Kinnison: ill be living again on friday
[01:19] <abelli> Kinnison: thursday: electrotechnics examination...
[01:19] <Kinnison> good luck
[01:20] <abelli> Kinnison: thank you
[01:21] <Liz> sure abelli..might take a while to get here tho..can you have it here in time for breakfast? :P
[01:21] <abelli> do you believe in _dhl_?
[01:22] <abelli> :))
[01:22] <abelli> how is life there?
[01:24] <Liz> not to bad..
[01:24] <Liz> hows it up there?
[01:25] <abelli> fine, thx, but can you define your "here"?
[01:26] <Liz> new south wales, australia
[01:26] <abelli> wow
[01:27] <abelli> ...
[01:27] <Liz> :)
[01:28] <Liz> i can see you in italy somewhere..yes?
[01:28] <abelli> yes
[01:30] <sivang> Kinnison:  !
[01:30] <Liz> i could tell from ip
[01:30] <abelli> Liz: so geek :)
[01:30] <sivang> Liz: hey liz, it's summer of .au right ? ;-)
[01:30] <Liz> shhh
[01:30] <Liz> yes, its still summer here
[01:30] <sivang> Liz: how did you find out about the docteam? what made you want getting invloved in that?
[01:31] <Liz> we had a linuxchix meeting here in sydney..and i asked about the documentation projects 
[01:31] <sivang> Liz: is there a website for linuxchix in aussie?
[01:31] <Liz> ive always been interested in doing some kind of documentation..only cause there is alot of it missing
[01:32] <Liz> yes..one moment while i find it
[01:32] <sivang> Liz: who told you about the ubuntu documentation project?
[01:32] <sivang> Liz: or, who was you referral ;-)
[01:34] <Liz> http://sydney.linuxchix.org/
[01:34] <Liz> sivang, ive been running ubuntu since release..it came up on the mailing list, and also its in the wiki
[01:34] <Liz> which is where i found it
[01:35] <sivang> Liz: very nice :)
[01:35] <Liz> :)
[01:35] <Liz> its going to be linked with SLUG eventually
[01:36] <Liz> tho most of our members, are also SLUG members
[01:36] <sivang> Liz: I started to contribute to ubuntu since before preview was out, and started with the docteam, now I do manily development.
[01:37] <Liz> id never heard of it till it showed up on the slug mailing list
[01:37] <Liz> then jeff did a presentation of it just before release at a slug meeting
[01:37] <Liz> and it appeared again at a install fest that was held at my local university
[01:38] <Liz> ive been using it ever sine
[01:38] <Liz> since
[01:38] <Liz> still trying to get games to work in it..i mean cdrom games
[01:38] <Liz> im a diablo addict..as well as a neverwinter nights one
[01:39] <abelli> Liz: i think that cedega can handle them
[01:39] <abelli> or not?
[01:39] <sivang> Liz: http://www.linuxchix.org/content/courses/kernel_hacking/ <== wow cool
[01:42] <abelli> Liz: are you going to have a  linux-chix-calendar? :)=
[01:42] <sivang> abelli: hey hey :_
[01:42] <sivang> ;-)
[01:43] <Liz> abelli, i did do the website..
[01:43] <Liz> didnt that is
[01:43] <Liz> http://www.linuxchix.org/
[01:44] <Liz> and abelli, i have heard that cedega will work..but i need to get an external video card first
[01:44] <abelli> which one?
[01:44] <Liz> my onboard one isnt supported in linux yet
[01:44] <abelli> Liz: what is it?
[01:46] <Liz> my motherboard?
[01:47] <Liz> its an asus..
[01:47] <Liz> i think
[01:47] <abelli> eheh
[02:09] <Liz> nite all
[04:51] <pro> _froud_ you here?
[05:18] <pro> i have to go all, im busting for a pee. all the toilets are locked and its a 10 min drive home.....
[06:13] <froud> Quick Guide status report: 10 items left for review, 9 items need help, 166 items complete.
[06:16] <froud> I think he's playing dead :-)
[06:16] <enrico> must be, must be :)
[06:16] <froud> kick him
[06:17] <Kinnison> nasty people
[06:18] <froud>  OK now I'm ready
[06:19] <froud> enrico: I want some tabsco with that fish
[06:19] <froud> not valium
[06:19] <enrico> (it's very cheap now with these phantastic pharmacy stores online!)
[06:19] <enrico> :->
[06:19] <froud> Viagra
[06:20] <froud> anyone know who pro is?
[06:20] <enrico> pro?
[06:20] <froud> @ 17:52 pro asked _froud_ you here?
[06:20] <enrico> I wasn't there
[06:20] <froud> then says "i have to go all, im busting for a pee. all the toilets are locked and its a 10 min drive home....."
[06:20] <froud> strange stuff
[06:20] <enrico> and he doesn't give many details on his /whois
[06:22] <froud> enrico: any idea why we have 'evolution' twice in the menu system?
[06:22] <enrico> shouldn't be...
[06:22] <froud> Once under Internet and once under Office
[06:22] <enrico> is it two icons next to each other, or in two different menus?
[06:22] <enrico> Ah, ok.  Could be ebcause evo is also an organizer and planner
[06:22] <froud> Hmm good point
[06:23] <froud> Bingo but /me thinks it's a bit pointless
[06:24] <enrico> not too pointless: if you put it in Internet, you don't find it if you think at the organizer, and vice vera
[06:24] <enrico> versa
[06:49] <froud> Hmm maybe
[06:50] <froud> enrico: Ok tonight I will commit my last for a few days. I will be away for a few days. Next time I will be abl eto do anyting is on Monday next week. Is there anything that needs doing now, or that will happen while I am away like tagging
[06:53] <enrico> Needs doing now?  Uhm, nothing comes to my mind.  I'll have a review of everything in the next days.
[06:53] <enrico> But I can do tagging, don't worry
[06:54] <froud> Ok so people can still contribute for the next week or so?
[06:55] <enrico> Yesterday Kamion told me we can happily wait for mdz to come back (should be in a couple of days)
[06:56] <enrico> So I take it we're not too strict
[06:56] <froud> Good if it is one more week, that's what I think we need to put this version on ice
[07:16] <abelli> bonne soir
[07:17] <abelli> froud: woza
[07:19] <froud> sawubona, gunjani wena
[07:19] <abelli> vot bever?
[07:21] <froud> hello, how are you?
[07:22] <froud> enrico: I see trickie is ticking away on those release notes
[07:23] <abelli> froud: are you talking with me
[07:24] <enrico> froud: ticking away?
[07:28] <froud> enrico: yes, chipping at it bit by bit 'till it is finished.
[07:28] <enrico> yes, that's very cool!
[07:28] <froud> trickie just sits in silence and does his thing without anyone noticing :-)
[07:32] <enrico> I wish Debian had more and more people like that
[07:32] <froud> he he, wishful thinking
[07:32] <froud> well I am at 21 commits and 2 patches today. Now were should I work next?
[07:33] <froud> Im on a roll
[07:33] <froud> when the end gets near it's a good idea to push harder
[07:34] <enrico> froud: wow1
[07:34] <enrico> froud: wow!
[07:35] <froud> Jeff and Lizz gave some good stuff in this morning. Quite large patches
[07:36] <enrico> froud: what you could do?  Uhm... we're short of goals for Hoary, it seems :)
[07:36] <enrico> There's also upstream documentation needing some review, if you have nothing to do :)
[07:37] <froud> which upstream :-)
[07:38] <enrico> any? :
[07:38] <enrico> :)
[07:38] <froud> Debian is a no go for me. The Karma there is not good for my health.
[07:39] <enrico> all manpages linking to undocumented should be written; sometimes per-app documentation is awful, stuff like that
[07:39] <froud> GNOME, I think Shaumn has it under control
[07:39] <froud> Not today, may be next week
[07:39] <froud> once I get started I will not want to go to Cape town in the morning
[07:40] <enrico> but I think you should do that only if, when using hoary, you stumble on some documentation which is particularly bad
[07:45] <froud> enrico: are your xrefs showing ok in yelp
[07:45] <froud> mine are all wacked
[07:46] <enrico> wacked?  You mean, xrefs to other doucuments?
[07:46] <enrico> after installing the package?
[07:46] <froud> no I am running the development branch, pretty much on the head
[07:46] <froud> yelp is 2.9.3
[07:47] <froud> I have the same problem under SuSE using Yelp 2.6.1
[07:47] <froud> Isn't there a newer version of yelp
[07:49] <enrico> froud: whacked you mean "don't show up?"
[07:49] <froud> no they are not formatted correctly
[07:50] <froud> they are in heading style and form a block
[07:50] <enrico> I'm looking at the one in quickguide.xml:192, and it just doesn't show
[07:53] <froud> revision of quick guide is 569
[07:53] <enrico> yes, they just disappear here
[07:53] <froud> oh line 192
[07:53] <froud> what version of yelp are you using
[07:53] <enrico> and the next one in 202: disappeared
[07:54] <enrico> I'd ask Shaun
[07:54] <froud> mine dont disappear they are just large as if they are headings
[08:27] <froud> enrico: where can we checkout the ubuntu copy of Yelp
[08:29] <froud> Perhaps I can patch the XSL and we can move it upstream
[08:38] <froud> enrico: Shaunm thinks he has messed up the endterm stuff in the XSL's. Where can I get the Ubuntu src of Yelp so I can patch the XSL. This way it can be fixed in Hoary and we can move it upstream to GNOME
[08:49] <froud> email me if you have an answer. I am off to bed go to be up at 04H30
[08:49] <froud> cya