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empewhat does ubuntu use to refresh your desktop..i have to always reload12:01
schneikorefresh desktop?12:01
garfieldempe, what about other folders, any problems with update there?12:01
empeif i save something to desktop..i have to reload12:01
empeeveryfolder in gnome12:01
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garfieldnautilus connects to famd (file alteration monitor daemon), so the problem has probably got to do with that12:02
empeahh.okay..thats what i needed..fam12:03
garfieldbut it should be okay with default Ubuntu install as far as I know12:03
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schneikodo you have an idea about my resolv-problem? why does it take so much time for the ubuntu-client to resolv a host name?12:04
WWCan anyone help me to get gFTP working?  sftp works fine in the command line, but I'd like to get this gui working.12:04
minimecschneiko: did you configure you internet connection with ifup/ifdown?12:05
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garfieldWW, when you say command line do you mean scp?12:06
schneikominimec: no, the connection is configured at the debian-server12:06
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shadeofgreyhey everybody -- i just wanted to thank everybody here and elsewhere in the ubuntu community for helping me get my ubuntu installastion working the way i want12:07
Plukcongrats :)12:07
minimecschneiko: I had the same problem with my wlan. when I configured it manually with ifconfig, route ... it worked. I have no idea why.12:07
shadeofgreyi have a great desktop system now - and its because all of you helped me.  and i have to say...  bitch slapping billy gates has been a highlight of my year12:07
shadeofgreymost definately12:08
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WWgarfield: Nope, sftp.  I suspect it uses ssh, but the command is called sftp.12:08
schneikominimec, it worked fine for a while. but now the lookup needs too long. but ONLY at the client, not at the server12:08
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carajeanwhat media player has streaming video and music like winamp???12:08
minimecschneiko: how did you configure the client?12:08
shadeofgreycarajean:  xmms12:08
carajeanhow do i get to it12:09
JDahlcarajean, mplayer is my favourite12:09
garfieldWW, which error do you get in gFTP?12:09
schneikominimec: the installer configured the client - the nameserver is (debian server)12:09
shadeofgreycarajean: apt-install xmms* or mplayer - but youll need steamer.08 to use mp3s12:09
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minimecschneiko: I am not sure that this is an dns problem. I think, it is a route problem.12:10
shadeofgreyJDahl:  thanks for all your help brother.12:10
anTiXapt-get install <package> ?12:10
schneikominimec, where should i look for the problem?12:10
carajeanno i have xmms installed but i dont know where to go to get to the streaming stuff.  and i dotn know if i have streamer .0812:10
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shadeofgreyantix:  yes but you have to make sure you have good source files for universe (synaptic)12:10
shadeofgreycara:  try installing it - if its already present it'll tell you.12:11
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shadeofgreycara:  ...believe me - i was just there a few days ago12:11
garfieldWW, btw you can just use nautilus for sftp12:11
WWgarfield: If I try to use the SSH2 protocol, I get "Opening SSH connection to ..." and then "Running program ssh -e none ... <more stuff>...", and then it just sits there and never connects.12:12
minimecschneiko: good question. try to stop the connection with sudo ifdown eth0.12:12
shadeofgreydoes karamba run under gnome or do you HAVE to run KDE?12:12
minimecschneiko: then configure the connection manually.12:12
garfieldWW, either File->Connect to server and select SSH or just use ssh://user@site or sftp://user@site12:12
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housetiershadeofgrey karamba runs under gnome12:12
garfieldbut that's for nautilus of course12:12
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housetiershadeofgrey and gnome programs will run under kde as well :)12:13
apokryphosJust not with the same speed, of course.12:13
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carajeanapt-get streamer.0812:13
carajeanE: Invalid operation streamer.0812:13
zhukov_anyone managed to share a printer(winXP) to use in Ubuntu? Followed tuttorials and the max i can do is send the jobs to the printer...no printing at all...12:13
carajeani got that when i tried to fetch it12:13
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apokryphoscarajean: Should you be searching for *g*streamer?12:14
WWgarfield: Strange that gFTP is not cooperating.  I'll take a look at nautilus.12:15
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jdubcarajean: apt-cache search gstreamer12:15
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dnlienAnyone know anything about adding Xterm support to Ubuntu, I am admitedly a noob12:16
WeirdAlThis nick's registered :-O12:16
WWgarfield: In the "Connect to Server" window in nautilus, what is it asking for in the "Folder" and "Name to use for connection" fields?12:16
carajeanok i got a lot of output for gstreamer so im guessing i have it?12:16
ktechany of you knows where can I download a hoary live-cd?12:17
Anubis99% [6 Packages gzip 0]  [5 Sources bzip2 626688]  [Connecting to ftp.nerim.net (] 12:17
Anubisgzip: stdin: not in gzip format12:17
JDahldnlien, what do you mean - do you want an old-fashioned xterm? you can just install it if you're unhappy with gnome's terminal12:17
zhukov_...no one?12:17
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dnlienJDahl...well, my problem is, when I ssh, i can not interact with the menus on an application residing on an another Linux box12:18
garfieldWW, gFTP kind of suck, but I believe you can fix if you really want with another path in FTP->Settings->SSH->SSH2 server path12:18
Jahootyi have a question about kernel sources for an amd6412:18
Jahooty2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic is what uname -a returns12:19
garfieldWW, it depends on where sftp-server is located on the server, on Gentoo it is /usr/lib/misc/12:19
WWgarfield: Hmmm... why does sftp "just work" from the command line, I wonder?12:20
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JDahldnlien, you probably mean exporting X11 via ssh? You need to change the configuration of the gdm for that - it's disabled for security reasons by default12:20
garfielduses another path or something I guess12:20
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WWgarfield: I sort of assume it uses a sane set of defaults.12:21
Jahootyactually...how can i get hoary?12:21
Jahootydoes anyone know?12:22
GammaRaydnlien: the menus?12:22
dnlienI can not interact with them12:22
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GammaRayI'm not sure what that mean.. you don't get the appsa12:22
garfieldWW, I can't really figure why either12:22
apokryphosJahooty: From warty, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade12:22
GammaRayI'm not sure what that mean.. you can't access the apps menu?12:22
dnlienno, I get the visual representation12:22
ompaulJahooty, lots of people know to go to cdimage.ubuntu.com but they are not telling you [Doh!]  ;-)12:23
dnlienI see the menus, but the frame does not support interaction with, for example, a file menu12:23
Jahootyi have no internet connection12:23
WWAnyone know of a gui ftp app that actual works in warty?   :)12:23
JDahlWW, nautilus12:23
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Jahootywhich is the problem.  since warty doesn't install kernel sources by default i can't compile drivers for my wireless devices12:23
apokryphosWW: What about good ol' konqi?12:23
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mishagftp works well !12:24
garfieldWW, maybe it is just us who's stupid I don't know... btw, try checking FTP->Settings->SSH->Use SSH2 subsystem and just blank the path set before12:24
ompaulJahooty, well you will have to find someone who will (A) download a copy and (B) burn you a copy12:24
GammaRaydnlien: which apps?12:24
apokryphosompaul: Is there a hoary iso?12:24
mishaGftp !!!12:24
dnlienwell, I am using a rarely used app known as PVS, it's a verification software12:24
ompaulapokryphos, it is array 512:24
WWgarfield: I may not not the correct settings, but that doesn't mean I'm stupid! :)12:24
dnlienI am remoting into a linux cluster12:24
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dnlienand, i can not seem to interact with xterm support for menus that the software offers12:25
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minimecTestDummy: feedback?12:25
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dnlienand, JDahl was kind enough to suggest that it might be a configuration change required for security12:25
ompaulapokryphos, have a look here and tell me -->>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-5/      :)12:26
TestDummyHeh, well I learned something while tying to get it to work12:26
JDahldnlien, are you trying to connect to a different server with ssh, but you cannot any X11 gfx - only a dumb terminal? then you should be asking someone (who knows more about it than me) how to export X11 gfx via ssh using public keys12:26
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dnlienbut, was not aware of what to change and where12:26
GammaRaydnlien: so this is a curses app.. and you are trying w/ the mouse?12:26
minimecTestDummy: so it worked?12:26
TestDummyI don't know if it's my modem or the network cable, but it has a faulty conenction12:26
apokryphosompaul: Ah yes, of course. Cool.12:26
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Jahootydoes hoary come with any wireless drivers by default?12:26
TestDummyI have to wiggle it to get it to work then it still doesn't notice it12:26
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dnlienyes, just as JDahl suggested, I need to export x11 gfx via ssh using a public key12:27
TestDummyIs there any way to do it with USB?12:27
TestDummyI've done it easily with SuSE before..12:27
audixI'm having trouble installing Amarok 1.2 with warty, as in apt-get dependency problems... anybody familiar with this?12:27
WWgarfield: It worked!  I set the "Use SSH2 SFTP subsys" at you suggested, and finally got it to connect.12:27
minimecTestDummy: Well. If your usb hardware is recognized by the system. it's the same.12:27
WWgarfield: Thanks!12:27
garfieldWW, :)12:27
TestDummyWell, my mouse and keyboard are USB, notices those just fine12:28
dnlienand yes, GammaRay, the cursir aoos12:28
TestDummyIt just doesn't notice the modem connected by USB12:28
yojimboIs anyone using an Intel SRCS14L SATA RAID card with Ubuntu? The gdth driver works fine, but Intel's userspace tools (storcon, iircfg, srcd) all claim to be unable to detect the device ...12:28
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TestDummyAnd I don't know how to set up the network for a USB modem12:28
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audixIt's complaining about the version of kdelibs4... is it possible I just have the wrong repositories?12:28
dnliencan not access menus with mouse or keystrokes12:28
shadeofgreyokay guys i need help installing acrobat reader12:28
TestDummySuSE reffered to my modem as eth-usb or whatever. Ubuntu doesn't see it at all12:28
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shadeofgreyi tried apt-get install acroread and that didnt work - it said it was under a different package name12:29
xvershey.. what's the command to configure xfree?12:29
apokryphosaudix: Didn't try it in Warty, but it's certainly running smoothly on hoary.12:29
shadeofgreywhats the command does anybody know?12:29
yojimboxvers: dpkg-reconfiure xserver-xfree86 ?12:29
audixapokryphos: I see... maybe I should switch to Hoary then12:29
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apokryphosaudix: Very good idea. You'll have kde 3.3.2, too.12:29
audixapokryphos: Is it simple to upgrade, or is it more like a reinstall?12:29
yojimboshadeofgrey - acroread is in the multiverse repository, isn't it? Mine never worked - missing dependancies. I use xpdf instead12:29
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minimecTestDummy: Probably Ubuntu has no driver for your usb hardware. You have to install the driver. Normally you can download a driver on the net, then you have to install it.12:30
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apokryphosaudix: It's an upgrade. Only takes one command. :)12:30
xversi want to change the resolutions, my desired res. isnt displayed in screen res.12:30
TestDummyMy modem manufacturere doesn't make Linux drivers.12:30
zhukov_Anyone can help were...?Printer sharing...12:30
audixapokryphos: Wonderful, so do I just use apt-get, or what?12:30
apokryphosxvers: Yup, you cand o that from that configuration.12:30
dnlienanyone know anything about x11 graphics when remoting via ssh?12:30
fridgehi there, I've recently installed a DVB card, it shows up as being recognised in dmesg, but the devices in /dev/ won't appear12:30
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apokryphosaudix: Change your sources.list, and then a simple apt-get dist-upgrade12:30
fridgecan someone give me a clue as to how the dev mapper stuff works?12:30
xversapokryphos: what command do i use?12:30
apokryphosaudix: see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary12:31
audixapokryphos: thx12:31
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apokryphosxvers: The aforementioned one, dpkg-reconfigure... if it worked12:31
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wdhdnlien, what about it?12:31
yojimbodnlien - you must enable X11Forwarding in the remote ssh server as well as request it with "ssh -X" from the client12:31
xversapokryphos: thanks12:31
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GammaRaydnlien: when running the app try.. TERM=xterm app-name12:31
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wdhdnlien, for some applications "ssh -XY" is required..12:32
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yojimboman ssh12:32
apokryphosxvers: have you got warty or hoary installed? Later arrays of hoary come with xorg by default.12:32
yojimbooops :-) sry12:32
dnlienyojimbo, or anyone, is it possible to edit a configuration file so that I do not have to manually type every time the -x12:32
dnliento allow it by default, i mean12:32
wdhdnlien, yes.. add the proper alias to .bashrc in your homedir12:32
yojimbodnlien, yes just set up a ~/.ssh/config file for it. See 'man ssh_config' iirc12:33
xversapokryphos: i have warty12:33
GammaRaydnlien: /etc/ssh/ssh_config12:33
apokryphosxvers: ok12:33
xversapokryphos: dpkg -reconfigure xfree86 doesnt seem to work12:33
wdhdnlien, as you see, there are multiple solutions for it :)12:33
yojimbogammaray, that enables it for all users - it might be safer to use ~/.ssh/config to restrict the change to just one user.12:33
apokryphosxvers: I don't think that's the package name. One sec.12:34
shadeofgreyokay i have another question12:34
wdhdnlien, i think the alias is the easiest way..12:34
yojimboxvers - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8612:34
JDahlyojimbo, gammaray, dont you also need to change "disallowTCP=true" in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf?12:34
xversyojimbo: thanks, let me try12:34
apokryphosxvers: Perhaps it's xfree12:35
shadeofgreywhen i unpack the acrobat reader .tar.gz it has a file marked in green that says install...  how do i run it?  because typing just 'install' gives an error saying not enough arguments12:35
christopher_hey my network tools in applications/system has a problem12:35
apokryphosxvers: Perhaps it's xserver-xfree86 I mean12:35
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yojimbojdahl: ? I was talking about X sessions over ssh. not running login sessionswith gdm ... did I miss something?12:35
christopher_it askes me for my password and then i type my password it says wrong password12:35
shadeofgreyJDahl:  you wouldnt happen to know what the acrobat reader package name for apt-get is would you?  i tried acroread and that didntwork12:35
shadeofgreyneither did acroread-plugin12:36
dnlienno, I intend to simply run an x session over ssh12:36
GammaRayJDahl: why would you?12:36
xversapokryphos: thanks, its working12:36
GammaRayJDahl: maybe for X -query12:36
yojimbodnlien: do you know if the remote server will allow you to request X forwarding in the first place? some don't12:36
JDahlyojimbo, if disallowTCP=true is set on the server, can you still use ssh -X from the client?12:36
wdhdnlien, just add 'alias ssh=ssh -XY' to the end of your personal .bashrc file12:36
JDahlshadeofgrey, you just install it with "sudo ./install"12:36
wdhbut first try it one time using the -X option manually :)12:36
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mjrthe X server does not need to listen TCP in order for ssh forwarding to work12:37
yojimbojdahl - ssh is unrelated to GDM in this question, as far as I can soo. So "yes" :-)12:37
wdhyojimbo, HAS A POINT.. :)12:37
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christopher_when i try to configure a network device like the one im using, it tells me the correct password is invalid12:37
dnlienthank you12:37
wdhsorry for the caps :S12:37
JDahlshadeofgrey, I like xpdf better12:38
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christopher_how do you share an internet connection12:39
christopher_do you need a router?12:39
christopher_i have 2 network cards12:39
yojimboso, nobody ising Intel tools to control a gdth-driven Intel SRCS14L then ... :-(12:39
dnlienthank you all12:39
apokryphoschristopher_: You don't need one, but it is far more convenient with one.12:39
dnlienfor all the help12:39
christopher_apokryphos, ok but it is possible with 2 ethernet cards?12:39
dnlienspecifically wdh, yojimbo and Jdahl12:39
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wdhdnlien, yw12:40
apokryphoschristopher_: You just need to make a network, have one computer connecting to the Internet. The other will get the connection from the former.12:40
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JDahlshadeofgrey, but the general way to search for packages is "apt-cache search <search expr>", and also handy dpkg -S <package> to see what files an installed package provides12:40
minimecchristopher_: It's possible. You need iptables ro masq and route.12:40
shadeofgreyokay i tried to install xpdf and it sdays its already the newest version...  so i assume that means its already installed?12:40
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shadeofgreyhow do i find it if its not already in my apps menu?12:41
JDahlshadeofgrey, sorry - dpkg -L <package> to list files, -S for search12:41
minimecchristopher_: try the bastille-firewall software, wich is in fact some kind of GUI for iptables.12:41
christopher_apokryphos, ok you see its strange cuz when i try to configure network device in applications/system tools when it asks me for my password, itll tell me invalid pass, when its the right password12:41
TestMADis the current build of ubuntu compatible with my AMD64 3800+ Newcastle?12:42
GammaRaychristopher_: ipkungfu is a nice router/firewall package12:42
zhukov_hey c'mon guys give me a hand12:42
christopher_minimec, k ill try it now12:42
apokryphoschristopher_: What is this the password for? Accessing the network?12:42
apokryphosYou're putting in your root password, right?12:42
yojimbochristopher_, what happens if you try to run gnome-nettool directly from a command line?12:42
christopher_apokryphos, no its the sudo password its asking me for12:42
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christopher_apokryphos, when you run the applications/system/network tools then configure a network device what happens?12:43
minimecchristopher_: It is some kind of 'question answer game', you will see. But it works... :-)12:43
apokryphoschristopher_: Can't try, since I don't use Gnome.12:43
TestMADdoes anyone know?12:43
christopher_GammaRay, thats the deb package right?12:44
yojimboww - isn't wsquared actually 4u ? :-) double u times double u = 4 u ?12:44
christopher_apokryphos, gotcha damn... well it is telling me the right password is wrong... a little fustrating12:44
WWyojimbo: Sure, but WW or Wsquared is less typing than "Utothefourthpower"12:45
apokryphoschristopher_: Right, I got the program. Doesn't request a password, but I can't configure anything neither.12:45
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apokryphoschristopher_: Any idea what the command is to run it?12:45
yojimbochristopher: try running the underlying command gnome-nettool from the command line12:45
kentTestMAD, have you checked the homapege about?  Im pretty sure the normal ubuntu will work, and there might even be an iso for amd64 if you look. though, im very sure it wont turn up on irc ;)12:45
yojimboor even use sudo to get a root shell first (sudo -s) then gnome-nettool12:45
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TestMADumm..they said it works for AMD64(hammer)12:46
TestMADso i was thinking that meant hammer cores only.12:46
minimecchristopher_: sudo network-admin12:46
TestMADi just wanted to make sure.12:46
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WWIf I connect to a remote server with Nautilus, should it actually be able to open the file directly through the connect (i.e. "Open with..." will work), or do I have to save it locally first?12:46
kentTestMAD, well, is there an amd64 iso, then it should work. I mean, they did not make two incompatible versions of amd64 did they?12:46
TestMADbut there 3 cores.12:47
TestMADwell 2..but the 3rd is being released soon12:47
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yojimboTestMAD: is there a live CD for amd?12:47
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TestMADand they're not all that different from each other12:47
apokryphoschristopher_: I found another, probably related program. You might wanna try it... sudo network-admin12:47
kentthat might be so, but they aren't incompatible right? i meen, it would be stupid to develop thre cores that wont run the same binaries right?12:47
TestMADthey are compatible tho12:48
TestMADi know this for sure12:48
gellpakquestion: this is my third day ever using linux of any sort, and im trying to install ati display drivers. it wants me to compile a kernel. where can i get kernel source and which do i have/should i get?12:48
Zitterhi, stupid question, just for curiosity: who spend those money to ship ubuntu in place all over the world? I've ordered some CDs from website and friend of mine asks me this question12:48
kentTestMAD, http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/  take the amd64 iso.12:48
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yojimbogellpak: apt-get install linux-source, for a start12:49
TestMADthis is gonna be horrible..im on dialup12:49
yojimboZitter : Canonical Ltd spend the money. They have enough to space :-)12:49
yojimboliterally :-)12:49
kentZitter, some one with lots of monny whom perhaps thinks that there in the future is not room enough for many distros and that getting marketshare now is a good thing for future economy of canonical? ;)  Or perhaps just some one who is very kind on giving away stuff for free ;)12:50
WWyojimbo: Interesting typo...12:50
yojimboww: agreed :-) appropriate12:50
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WWyojimbo: I wish I had enough to space!12:51
Jahootyhow come ubuntus implementation of grub doesn't allow dual booting?12:51
TestMADthnx for the help12:51
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ChipzzJahooty: it does. I dual boot12:51
monkey89in hoary, I installed samba but windows network doesn't show the other computers on my network, any ideas?12:52
yojimbojahooty: it does allow it, but the warty installer gets things wrong.12:52
CarlKmonkey89 - long shot - workgroup setting12:52
Jahootyahh, ok.  is hte hoary installer better for that?12:52
monkey89CarlK: i just found out where to change it, one sec12:52
Chipzzmonkey89: I got similar problems, need to fill out a domain on servers where no domain is configured12:52
yojimbojahooty - I really hope so!12:52
ChipzzJahooty: it is12:53
yojimbomonkey89: windows browsing needs over 15 minutes to gather a list of machines - have you waited?12:53
monkey89my machine just popped up12:53
Jahootycan i set grub to dual boot once im booted into warty?12:53
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yojimbochipzz: all SMB systems have either a workgroup or a domain, that can't have nothing ... try "workgroup" as the name12:54
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yojimbojahooty: yes, you'll have to consult the FAQ to find out how12:54
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Chipzzyojimbo: I still think its a bug - if it found the server in the first place, it knows the workgroup, right?12:55
wdhif i would want to totally reinstall ubuntu and come back with exactly the same configuration, what would i need to save?12:55
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minimecmonkey89: did you find the solution to change the names in the computer menu?12:55
Zitterok thanks, nite12:55
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yojimbochipzz: perhaps it is - but you can use "smbclient -L //servername" to see what the remote machine's config is12:55
borgistawdh, i would think everything in your /home folder. including the hidden stuff.12:55
gellpakyojimbo: installed linux-source, now how do i proceed to get kernel-source, and which one?12:55
yojimbothat might help you out12:55
monkey89minimec: it wasn't great, but I renamed the directory from /media/hdb1 to /media/Backup12:55
borgistagellpak...type uname -r, in a terminal12:56
monkey89best I could do12:56
borgistathat's your kernel #12:56
Chipzzyou shouldn't have too - that server didn 't need a workgroup in gnome 2.612:56
yojimbogellpack - look in /usr/src, you'll see a large tra file, which needs to be manually unpacked12:56
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minimecmonkey89: Well it worked :-)12:56
monkey89there's gotta be a better way though, I now it12:56
yojimbogellpak: then install ... umm ... kernel-package, I think12:56
minimecmonkey89: You edit the fstab12:56
wdhborgista, i think i would require more.. /etc for example.. and a list of all packages maybe? so i could automate installation of all of them...12:56
monkey89minimec, yeah, tons of times12:57
monkey89even managed to crash the computer by trying to umount it12:57
borgistawell then wdh, apparently i don't know that well.12:57
monkey89dont know why12:57
gellpakhow do i extract a bz2?12:57
monkey89tar -xjf file12:57
wdhborgista, ok.. i'll search some debian infor for it..12:57
GammaRaytar xvjf12:57
yojimbogellpak: tar jxf linus-source*12:57
monkey89(v is verbose, shows the files being extracted)12:57
minimecmonkey89: so do a link on hdb1 and edit the fstab to pint to the link.12:57
GammaRaythe j is the important bit12:57
monkey89eh, too lazy, it works now12:57
Chipzzwdh: dpkg --get-selections12:58
monkey89but i appreciate the help12:58
minimecmonkey89: :-)12:58
monkey89there's def. a clean way to do it12:58
Chipzzsave that output to a file12:58
monkey89since the cdrom drive are /media/cdrom0 but show up as "CD-ROM 1"12:58
yojimbothen, cd into it, "make config" (or make menuconfig, but you'll need to install libncurses5-dev first iirc)12:58
Chipzzand import it later with dpkg --set-selections12:58
CarlKwarty on toshiba 2800, /usr/lib/gdmplay /usr/share/sounds/question.wav loops forever12:58
wdhChipzz, thx.. that'll get me started..12:58
minimecmonkey89: that's true. I don't see any reason, that an 'fstab edit' souldn't work.12:59
fridgeanyone here use a NOVA-T card?12:59
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CarlKim guessing any wav file will do that12:59
yojimbothen make-kpkg kernel-image ... that will leave a new .deb file for your new kernel12:59
monkey89minimec, so what are you suggesting, linking /media/hdc1 to /media/Backup Drive and referring fstab to Backup Drive?12:59
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yojimbowhich you can install with dpkg -i whatever.deb :-)01:00
minimecmonkey89: why not?01:00
wdhyojimbo, doesnt ubuntu use initrd by default?01:00
monkey89not very clean :P01:00
yojimbowhd: don't know - I think it's nice and optional :-)01:00
wdhwhich implies that you could use 'make-kpkg -i'01:00
yojimbowhd: that might be better ... I've never looked into it.01:00
minimecmonkey89: but even without link it should work, I agree with you.01:01
yojimboit would probably work though01:01
monkey89anways, the windows networking is bugged01:01
wdhyojimbo, me neither :P i just noticed it worked _with_ the initrd bit.. dont know if it does without01:01
monkey89every time i start the shared folders panel to configure it, it freezes for 10 seconds and gets messed up01:01
monkey89and starts 3 new smbd processes01:01
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CarlKwhat is the URL of that package search page?01:03
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IgDi tried to install ubuntu amd-64 "warty" to my external 10 gb USB drive...  it seemed to install fine from the bootcd.  when i rebooted i got a kernel panic error.  something about pivot_root: no such file or dir.  then it just seemed to hang.  any idea what happened01:04
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wdhIgD, maybe you need to specify some boot-options?? did you look into that at boottime?01:05
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TziHi =)01:05
IgDwell when it was booting, it said hit esc for a menu.  i did so and there were several options.  i tried botting into "recovery mood" but got same result01:05
TziDoes anyone know why no removable disks appear on my desktop, even though they're brought up in a nautilus window?  I have the appropriate gconf key on01:06
TziUsing latest Hoary01:06
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christopher_how do you configure a wireless device?01:07
wdhCarlK, http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=ubuntu+packages01:07
Tzichristopher_: iwconfig, the command line tool...01:07
IgDany1 have an idea what is giong on with my problem01:07
minimecchristopher_: wich wireless hardware?01:07
CarlKthats the one... thanks wdh01:07
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gellpakok im attempting to run a make-kpkg command on my linux source but it hits me with an error to the effect of "your'e using --revision flag with but changelog exists and has a different value" and stops01:10
gellpakthis is my second attempt to run it. should i delete that changelog?01:10
christopher_minimec, its a wifi card, a netware G01:11
christopher_minimec, that iwconfig looks a little tricky =o) im not too savy with the network stuff yet, but i have a friend over and we wanna share my connection with his laptop01:12
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minimecchristopher_: so the card is working?01:12
minimecchristopher_: what does sudo iwconfig say?01:13
christopher_minimec, lo        no wireless extensions.01:15
christopher_ath0      IEEE 802.11  ESSID:"ray"01:15
christopher_          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.427GHz  Access Point: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF01:15
christopher_          Bit Rate:1Mb/s   Tx-Power:50 dBm   Sensitivity=0/301:15
christopher_          Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off01:15
christopher_          Encryption key:off01:15
christopher_          Power Management:off01:15
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christopher_          Link Quality=16/94  Signal level=-79 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm01:15
christopher_          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:001:15
christopher_          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:001:15
christopher_eth0      no wireless extensions.01:15
Assassinaterhow do i change the resoulution?01:15
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christopher_sit0      no wireless extensions.01:15
Assassinaterhow do i change the resoulution?01:15
minimecchristopher_: so the wlan is ath0. ok let's configure it. :-)01:15
gellpaki'm trying to make=kpkg my linux source and it keeps telling me that .config has a missing separator. ideas?01:15
minimecchristopher_: where do you have problems?01:16
christopher_minimec, umm how would i set up my card as an access point so that he could connect to me and use my internet connection01:16
Assassinatersomeone help01:17
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christopher_Assassinater, is it computer/system config/change resol?01:17
christopher_Assassinater, is it computer/system config/screen resolution01:18
CarlKhow can I tell if a box has esound or polyaudio ?01:18
PoWHow do I take a screenshot of my desktop in KDE?01:18
minimecchristopher_: sudo iwconfig ath0 essid master01:18
RiddellPoW: ksnapshot01:18
christopher_minimec, k01:19
CarlKPoW - Computer, "Take Screenshot" (which probaly calls ksnapshot01:19
christopher_minimec, what does that do01:19
minimecchristopher_: the card should work as access point now. :-)01:19
christopher_minimec, wow cool, whats the network name? and stuff01:20
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christopher_minimec, how would i put a password01:20
christopher_minimec, like wep or something01:20
PoWI dont see ksnapshot anywhere =x01:21
minimecchristopher_: 'sudo iwconfig ath0 key s: thisismykeyab [1] ' You have to use 13 letters for strong encryption.01:22
christopher_minimec, with the bracket thing [1] ? is that wep incryption?01:23
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minimecchristopher_: that means first key. You can have different keys.01:24
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minimecchristopher_: 's:' means that the keyword is in letters.01:24
SandmanDoes ubuntu have autoconfiguration tools? For example, to setup a DHCP server and NAT on windows, all you must do is enable ICS. Nothing else01:25
SandmanJust works.01:25
christopher_minimec, sudo iwconfig ath0 key s: christopherlo [1] 01:25
christopher_Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :01:25
christopher_    invalid argument "s:".01:25
SandmanCan this be done with Ubuntu? Or at least something nearly as effective?01:25
minimecchristopher_: Hmmm....01:25
christopher_minimec, lets forget the key for now01:26
wilI tried a apt-get update to get Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020)] /dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  .  I've never gotten this problem.01:26
christopher_minimec, hes not seeing an available network to connect to01:26
christopher_should i open a port?01:26
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wilso I hashed out the CD line in sources.list and everythign is fine.  Anyuone had this problem?01:27
christopher_minimec, how do i name the network01:27
christopher_minimec, ok i see it in the man page01:27
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Dreamer3anyone use elinks?01:28
Dreamer3i get a funny error unless i run it as roto :(01:28
minimecchristopher_: link quality=16/94 So the card found the other card. You can use the kismet software. It's a sniffer software, to look for other wlan's01:28
Dreamer3ERROR at interlink.c:444: connect() failed: 13 (Permission denied)01:28
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minimecchristopher_: ok.01:29
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_tester_can anybody give me the full path to sshd on their ubuntu. My ubuntu system doesnt have an ssh binary :(01:30
christopher_minimec, ok ill look for that kismet software01:30
CarlK_tester_ /usr/bin/ssh01:31
CarlKduh.. .d01:31
CarlK_tester_ /usr/sbin/sshd01:31
christopher_minimec, what do you mean link quality?01:31
chillywi1lyhey my mixer applet is b0rked01:32
piratePenguinhow do I view quicktime movies inside a browser (epiphany/firefox) in ubuntu? what do I need?01:32
fridgemozilla-mplayer-plugin may do it01:32
piratePenguinI'll try it.. thanks01:32
SiRrUsgood evening01:33
BrianAnthonySys_Error: Unable to initialize OpenGL01:33
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BrianAnthonywhy am I getting that error01:33
_tester_thank you CarlK01:33
_tester_my ubuntu really really doesnt have sshd :( :(01:33
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BrianAnthonyis there a package for opengl01:34
CarlK_tester_ - did you do a server install?01:34
CarlK_tester_ I did and had to isntall openssh or something like that01:34
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christopher_minimec, the other guy is using a windows laptop01:34
_tester_Carlk I did the single CD instal01:34
CarlK_tester_ - well, I have done one warty and one huey, so im not exacly an expert01:35
_tester_so i should do an 'apt-get install sshd' or something like that?01:35
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shockim running elinks01:35
shockbut no error01:35
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SiRrUs_tester_ check in synaptic01:35
minimecchristopher_: the sudo iwconfig result the was the line Link Quality 16/94. You had a connection with the windows laptop!01:35
chillywi1lyanyone else's mixer applet b0rked?01:36
chillywi1lylatest dist-upgrade on hoary01:36
CarlK_tester_ - openssh-server01:36
wdh_tester_, i believe it was 'sudo apt-get install sshd-server'01:36
chillywi1lynope, openssh-server01:36
wdhor the thing CarlK says :)01:36
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CarlKchillywi1ly - i wish that was the only problem01:36
chillywi1lyCarlK: what other problems are you having?01:37
christopher_minimec, no, he didnt even have it out before you told me that command with "master" in it01:37
chillywi1lyis there anything like apt-listbugs for ubuntu?01:37
SiRrUs_tester_ try ssh you may find its installed allready01:37
neighborleeatm i'm using fedora core3 disk to rescue ( since I had to reinstall XP ) my ubuntu content..doing : grub-install /dev/hda is complaining about a BIOS error...is there a ubuntu CD rescue mode ( I'm thinking thats the problem ) ???01:37
mseneysitting here looking at my suse 9.2 server and thinking about trying ubuntu on it???? arghhh should i or shouldn't I???01:37
CarlKchillywi1ly - I have a few - for openers, "aplay anything.wav" loops forever01:38
wdhchillywi1ly, search for it please..01:38
Dave2|LaptopI've gone over the links in the topic, but I've not seen anything about this; is Xorg 6.8.2 planned to be included in Ubuntu Hoary, or am I out of luck/will have to find 3rd party debs?01:38
_tester_SiRrUS + CarlK  : ssh is there, but sshd is not01:38
chillywi1lywdh: already installing it01:38
chillywi1lyso hush ;)01:38
lupusBEI'm compiling gtk+ cvs with cairo support01:38
SiRrUs_tester_ so typing ssh should work for you01:38
minimecchristopher_: your card can be master (access point), managed (the card is looking for an access point) ore ad-hoc (you directly connect to the other computer.01:38
CarlKnot to mention that I can't figure out how to make pretty wiki pages ;)01:38
lupusBEI'm curious if my system still works :)01:38
wdhchillywi1ly, its just anoying people asking thing that most of us need to look up as well01:39
chillywi1lyCarlK: is this all to do with using polypaudio instead of esound?01:39
CarlKbut here is a dump of the content https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems01:39
christopher_minimec, i never connect to him01:39
chillywi1lywdh: annoy this01:39
wdhchillywi1ly, but no offence :)01:39
CarlKchillywi1ly - I started with esound, installed polly, no difference01:39
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christopher_minimec, he doesnt see my computer the available wireless network connections01:39
carajeanis there a way to update the nvidia drivers???01:39
chillywi1lydanielb@frodo:~$ ps aux | grep poly01:40
chillywi1lydanielb   8379  0.0  0.3   5552  3556 ?        Ss   08:14   0:00 /usr/bin/polypaudio01:40
mseneywhat app do you use in ubuntu for burning cd's that compares to k3b?01:40
chillywi1lyseems to be running01:40
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wdhmseney, k3b? :P01:40
tritiummseney, I use graveman01:40
christopher_minimec, do i have to do any preliminary configuring? i just plugged this card in01:40
OrangeSlicewhy, cdrdao.01:41
speelhey any one knows how to change the splash screen?01:41
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minimecchristopher_: ok. lets keep it simple. Both of you configure the card in ad-hoc mode.01:41
tritiumspeel, that's described in the FAQ01:41
wdhmseney, why is that?01:41
neighborleemseney: ubuntu is fine..dont be scared ;-=))01:41
mseneylove my gui tools darn it but i dunno maybe i'll backup my data and try it01:41
speelah ok thanks01:41
minimecchristopher_: then you choose a channel and an essid. Both the same :-)01:41
carajeancan anyone tell me how to update my nvidia drivers??01:42
wdhmseney, you can do pretty much anything in a gui as well as on a cli01:42
neighborleemseney: gnome 2.8 rocks and so does ubuntu ;-))..( kde is available if thats your pleasure..its installable via synaptic)01:42
mseneyhow would you compare it w/ suse 92?01:42
mseneyless crud or ?01:42
OrangeSliceGnome 2.9.1 is nice ;)01:42
neighborleemseney: well..for one its free <G>01:42
mseneyi haven't used gnome since 2.401:43
neighborleemseney: beyond that we could get into a flame war ..heh01:43
mseneyyeah i don't wanna spark one of those01:43
tritiumcarajean, update?01:43
chillywi1lyNo volume control elements and/or devices found01:43
monkey89how do I configure a printer?  gnome-cups-manager doesn't show any as being locally detected01:43
chillywi1lywhen I try to add the volume control to my panel01:43
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mseneyi used debian awhile back and i guess have gotten lazy, maybe i should put it on to try and learn linux better.01:44
tritiummonkey89, was it turned on at boot?01:44
monkey89was what01:44
neighborleemseney: yeah you'll really like it I think...01:44
monkey89the printer? yeah01:44
monkey89i have a /dev/lp001:44
christopher_minimec, hey scroll back up you told me essid master it should have been mode master right01:44
carajeanyeah the 66.29 drivers are out and the ones i apt-get where the 611101:44
mseneyokay im gonna move the stuff off my suse server onto this machine and give it a whirl01:44
tritiummonkey89, okay.  printer needs to be on when /etc/init.d/cupsys is run for it to be detected by cups01:44
mseneybb in awhile01:44
monkey89tritium, it was01:44
neighborleekewl..cu soon01:45
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tritiummonkey89, what kind?01:45
Dreamer3well, well, how is hoary coming?01:45
monkey89deskjet842c, its worked before (i'm in hoary now and not sure how to do this the clean way)01:45
Dreamer3safe yet?01:45
thenukeI wonder if it is unwise to use BreakMyUbuntu -repositories?01:45
tritiumcarajean, you are using Warty?01:45
chillywi1lyany way to search for a specific bug in a package?01:45
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neighborleethenuke:which one(s) do you mean01:46
chillywi1lyerm, search for a bug in a specific package01:46
tritiumchillywi1ly, use the package as the search term01:46
thenukeneighborlee: well, I think that there is not many of those :O www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/01:46
carajeani dont even know01:46
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carajeanim using a old ubuntu i took from a friend01:46
SiRrUsDreamer3 safe?  :)01:47
monkey89i just got my remote printer working with hpoj, but my local one isn't :(01:47
carajeanversion 4.10 if that helps01:47
tritiumcarajean, yes, that's Warty.  If you upgrade to Hoary, you'll get the 6629 version.01:47
mike998is there a gnome panel applet that will allow me to control my xmms?01:47
goldfishor something01:48
goldfishhas an xmms thingy01:48
carajeanoh so there is no other way to get the 66.29?01:48
mike998nah... haven't had much luck with gdesklets01:48
goldfishah right01:48
Plukit says its a gnome applet01:48
mike998I don't really like gdesklets... I install it once in a while to try, but still have it01:48
mike998ohhh gxmms01:48
mike998hang on01:48
tritiummike998, apt-cache search xmms.  One of the results is a gdesklets thing01:48
CarlKaplay train.wav goes Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! untill I hit ^C.... this also causes the endless bongos on boot.01:49
Plukgdesklets isnt an applet?01:49
mike998tritium: cheers, but I don't really like gdesklets01:49
chillywi1lyall my favorite desklets are now broken01:49
tritiummike998, well, you can see what else turns up in the search, I guess.01:49
neighborleethenuke: oh haha ic...well being careful to watch for problem apt-gets you may well not see problems..then again backports are new software backported so shrug on that one..your mileage may vary <G>...its all bleeding edge so <G>01:50
mike998the one that Pluck reccomended shows up... I will give that a try01:50
chillywi1lyI think they changed the API01:50
Plukyou mean the LT desklets chillywi1ly01:50
CarlKspeaker-test made noise but also errored - http://paste.phpfi.com/5201101:50
mike998this will make package 1001 according to Synaptic01:50
PlukLT havens been updated for a while now ive heard01:50
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thenukeneighborlee: yeap :) I guess I will not go for it, because I'm not that guru yet so I could fix the problems easily01:51
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wdhanyone has any luck with using enlightenment as gnome's window manager?01:51
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neighborleethenuke: agreed id wait...you can always break things later lol01:53
mike998just the thing... cheers01:53
neighborleewdh: nah..Idont use E anymore as I found it a bit buggy..but kewl...01:53
mike998thenuke: no better way to be a guru than to break stuff and fix it... i tell that to my students all the time01:54
neighborleewdh: accessing the menus was sometimes buggy and that bothered me some so...I blew it off01:54
neighborleemike998:heh how true....01:54
neighborleeprob. best on a non-crucial partition though ..haha01:54
mike998that's how I got to be such a linux goat01:54
wdhneighborlee, i like to give buggy things a try later on :) sometimes things tend to get better01:54
mike998uhh gnu01:54
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mike998uhhh goat01:54
marcin_anthi guys - I'm looking for Apache Tomcat packages for ubuntu could you help me and tell if they are available somewhere?01:54
thenukemike998: that is true also01:55
neighborleewdh: yup01:55
bestadvocateyo persones01:55
bestadvocateanyone using jukebox hoary?01:55
mike998thenuke: but seriously, I have run with FreeBSD for a while and that's how learned a lot of the stuff that I know now01:55
chillywi1lyI am a penGNUin01:55
thenukeand those backports might not be so unstable even as I thought, as I am reading more about it from here http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/01:55
tritiummarcin_ant, "apt-cache search tomcat" didn't come up with anything?01:55
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gellpakwhere can i download module-assistant01:55
bestadvocatechillywilly: lol thats cool01:55
chillywi1lyholy shnikies01:55
mike998the backports and hoary aren't all that unstable if you ask me... I have had some problems with OpenOffice crashing but that's it01:56
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marcin_anttritium: nope01:56
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marcin_anttritium: there is something but not what I need01:56
tritiummarcin_ant, I see 4 packages in that search.  I'm using Hoary with universe and multiverse.  What are you using?01:56
marcin_anttritium: as I said these packages are related to apache tomcat01:57
tritiumokay, just asking01:57
marcin_anttritium: but they don't contain tomcat itself01:57
bestadvocateactually I ment to ask, is anyone using rythmbox hoary?01:58
chillywi1lyask and ye shall receive01:58
tritiumbestadvocate, I am01:58
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chillywi1lybugzilla is such a PITA01:58
monkey89ok, it might help to have my printer plugged in to print stuff01:58
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tritiummonkey89, I asked you if it was ;)01:58
thenukemike998: and I would have no problem with unstable app, what I meant was that I would not like it at all if there would come some weird dependency problems whatsoever which then would prevent me from using X or so on :D01:58
monkey89i thought it was01:58
monkey89i had an lp001:59
bestadvocatetritium: have you had any problems with playing files? I get some error on "pipes" or something01:59
CarlKmonkey89 - you should get one of those paperless printers01:59
tritiummonkey89, run "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys"01:59
thenukethey did good job scaring me first ;) but as I read more, I think that there is not that much to worry01:59
linuxn00bHey, I am behind a router but I was wondering if it's possible to setup an IDS server01:59
monkey89tritium, it works now, I added it01:59
tritiumgood deal01:59
mike998thenuke: never had that problem01:59
tritiumbestadvocate, yes, if I don't kill and restart polypaudio, I have several problems01:59
bestadvocateis this a reported bug?02:00
tritiumbestadvocate, oh, yes02:00
thenukemike998: I had when I upgraded warty to hoary :)02:00
mike998actually I DID have some problems with I enabled the nerim.net respositories02:00
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mike998thenuke: what repositories were you using>02:00
chillywi1lyRegistry is nmot present or corrupted, please update it by running gst-register02:00
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thenukemike998: defaults02:00
bestadvocatetrintium: cool then I wont worry about it, I have beep, but I have been trying to be active on reporting bugs02:00
chillywi1lyI didn't know my volume control was using gstreamer02:00
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mike998actually to be honest, if you had any stability issues with haory, I would say that it was just because the repositories were in a state of flux02:01
P229does Ubuntu have SELinux as an option?02:01
mike998that's about the only time I have a problem02:01
bestadvocatelinuxn00b: i have no idea sry02:01
mike998linuxn00b: what's up?02:01
linuxn00bmike998, hey nothing I just need a few project to do so I thought an IDS server would be cool :)02:02
mike998ah okay02:02
SandmanDoes Ubuntu have frontends for settings things like a DHCP server up?02:02
fridgehow about you feed starving children02:02
fridgethere's a neat project!02:02
mike998I believe I have some leftovers stored inside you, fridge02:03
carajeanhow to make it so i have write permission to all my files and folders and hard dirves??02:03
fridgechmod -R 777 /02:03
tritiumbestadvocate, if you have troubles, kill and restart polypaudio02:03
CarlKSandman - in general, yes, but maybe not as much as in windows, but...02:03
P229carajean: don't do that02:03
mike998that's gonna cause problemsQ02:03
tritiumcarajean, that is seriously a bad idea02:03
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mike998carajean: WHY do you want to do that?02:04
carajeani just want to move a folder from one place to another and it says i dotn have permission02:04
CarlKSandman - you can always edit the configs with a text editor, which ends up being easier once you become proficient with the options02:04
P229carajean: because it's a great way to break your system02:04
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mike998carajean: use sudo02:04
tritiumcarajean, don't move system files02:04
tuxis there any webcam support for ubuntu ?02:04
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carajeanits not a system file02:04
tritiumtux, yes02:04
tuxbesides gnomemeeting02:04
P229carajean: who owns the file, and are you sure you want to move it?02:04
carajeanyeah its just a world of warcraft file02:05
tritiumtux, the linux kernel has several different modules for various webcams02:05
mike998carajean: use sudo to move the file02:05
bestadvocatetritium: I can't find polyaudio in top so but i got XMMS and BEEP working (too bad beep cant add xmms playlists)02:05
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marinelaI have a friend who is trying to make a new Ubuntu install with one catch -- he has a wireless network card and it's telling him that it can't configure a network interface. Any way for him to do this?02:05
tritiumbestadvocate, are you using Hoary?02:05
carajeanhow to use sudo in the gui im new to linux02:05
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tuxarf arf arf02:06
chillywi1lyanother funny thing is I don't hear the ubuntu startup music anymore either02:06
mike998carajean: try using the command line02:06
tritiumcarajean, how is it that you don't own the files currently?02:06
tritiumwho do they belong to?02:06
tuxchillywi1ly, not funny, sounds just dont work02:06
P229mike998: carajean might not have to use sudo... if the file is marked readonly, but belongs to carajean's user, all carajean would have to do is change the permissions02:06
chillywi1lyand my mixer applet is b0rked, but the rest of the sound effects work02:06
marinelaPlease, someone? Any way of installing Ubuntu through a Wireless network card?02:06
chillywi1lytux: not ALL of my sounds are b0rked though02:06
tritiumchillywi1ly, when did that start?02:06
mike998P229: point taken... sometimes I use a hammer when a nudge would do02:06
bestadvocatetritium: yes but i think its my lack of knowledge of how to kill something thats getting in the way02:07
chillywi1lytritium: after a dist-upgrade in which I let is yand esound out and install polypaudio02:07
carajeanyeah i need to change permissions02:07
tritiumchillywi1ly, that'll do it ;)02:07
P229mike998: yep, don't use su/sudo if you don't have to ;)02:07
CarlKchillywi1ly - got any tips that helped? (im collecitng tips for sound problems)02:07
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chillywi1lyCarlK: I am going to try reinstalling esound02:07
tritiumbestadvocate, if you're current, a recent dist-upgrade would have you using polypaudio instead of esd02:08
Ainvarwhoa beep player is alot nicer than xmms02:08
Ainvarhow can I tell if I am using polyaudio?02:08
tritiumi.e., if you've stayed current, your audio should have grown a big nasty polyp on it02:08
P229carajean: right-click on the file, select "properties" and go to the "permissions" tab02:08
marinelaPlease, someone? Any way of installing Ubuntu through a Wireless network card?02:08
bestadvocateAinvar: its much cleaner interface, but less cool features pre-packaged02:08
carajeani did02:08
P229carajean: set permissions to read and write for owner02:08
CarlKmarinela - yes.  you put the CD in and go02:08
neighborleehi all..i'm trying to rescue my ubuntu system from having had to reinstall XP and you all know that means linux isn't available anymore..I went in with fedora rescue mode and did: grub-install /dev/hda...it errors out saying:  /dev/hda: doesn't have any corresponding BIOS drive..any ideas how to fix this ??? ;-))(sigh)02:08
bestadvocatetritium: im current, updated 20 min ago02:09
CarlKmarinela - or do you mean a diskless setup?02:09
carajeanok cool that might fix it02:09
tritiumAinvar, pgrep polyp.  It it returns a PID, you're running it.02:09
bestadvocatetrintium: says its installed in synaptic too02:09
tuxok let me rephrase, has anyone gotten their webcam working with msn or yahoo clients02:09
chillywi1lydid a sudo apt-get install esound and logged out then back in and now I have start up music but the mixer applet is still broken02:09
tritiumbestadvocate, okay.02:09
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marinelaCarlK, it's telling him that there's no network interface found02:10
mike998tux: as far as I know video doesn't work with gaim02:10
marinelaHis network works fine in windows02:10
mike998I could be wrong...  (usually am)02:10
marinelaBut he can't even get to the base install in Ubuntu02:10
tuxi know one can receive, but transmit is a problem02:10
CarlKtritium - warty box, apt-get install polypaudio, pgrep polyp shows nothing02:10
P229carajean: you'll also need write permissions in the place where you want to move it to02:10
marinelaSo I'm guessing it's the wireless card02:10
tritiummike998, say what?02:10
Dreamer3and/me yawns.02:10
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tritiummike998, oh, you mean video conferencing?02:11
Dreamer3where is the hoary timeline at again?02:11
tritiumthat's correct02:11
mike998gnome-meeting is another issue02:11
CarlKmarinela - is the nic on this page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards02:11
tuxchecking for gdk-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gdk-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.02:11
tuxwhats gdk-2.0 , aint in synaptic02:11
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marinelaCarlK, no02:12
marinelaBut either way, he can't even get to the base install02:12
chillywi1lygraphic dawing kit or some shit02:12
tritiumtux, you're building something?  libgdk02:12
tritiumtux, -something02:12
marinelaIt's acting up right at the beginning02:12
marinelaOf the install\02:13
P229anyone know if Ubuntu has SELinux available as an option?02:13
tritiumCarlK, it won't get started until gnome-session is re-run02:13
CarlKDreamer3 - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule02:13
tritiumCarlK, or, you can start it manually02:14
tuxits snowing, wohooo02:14
kentlibgtk2.0-dev contains libgdk-files.02:14
chillywi1lywhy is my mixer broken?02:14
CarlKtritium - reboot didnt start it, so how ?02:14
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tuxthx kent02:14
tritiumP229, yes02:14
Rene_SYou tried to use it making bread dough02:14
Rene_Sbreaks the mixer everytime02:14
tritiumCarlK, you're sure it's installed?  polypaudio02:14
CarlKpolypaudio is already the newest version.02:14
tritiumCarlK, okay.  just run polypaudio02:15
marinelaCarlK, any ideas? =/02:15
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chillywi1lywhy did you guys move to polypaudio if it breaks everything?02:15
thenukeis there any reason for using upgrade instead of dist-upgrade :O02:15
tuxalso one more quick question02:15
P229tritium: enabled or disabled by default?02:15
tritiumthenuke, it's safer02:15
CarlKmarinela - gonna need some error messages or something02:15
thenukehttp://www.tuxme.com/node/315 in here, I am told to update && upgrade after majorly editing sources02:15
thenuketritium: ah02:15
tuxim trying to update nessus plugins a la, nessus-update-plugins02:15
carajeancan anyone make sense of this line someone told me to type::  mount /mnt/cdrom && cp -Rf /mnt/cdrom/* ~/wow && umount /mnt/cdrom02:15
thenukeand seems like dist-upgrade wants to install some new packages as well02:15
tuxand it says wget is not in path,02:16
tuxor installed, which it is02:16
thenukebut I wonder why it wants to install those new pckgs..02:16
carajeanhe told me to type that before each game cd rom02:16
tritiumthenuke, I only use dist-upgrade when something gets held back in an upgrade02:16
CarlKtritium - Welcome to polypaudio! Use "help" for usage information. - now what?02:16
mike998carajean: that makes sense02:16
tritiumthenuke, and even then, I watch what it's going to install and remove02:16
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tritiumthenuke, and I don't always allow it to happe02:16
carajeanwhat does it do when i type that is says cdrom already mounted02:16
Assassinateris icewm good?02:16
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Dreamer3CarlK: thanks02:17
tritiumcarajean, yes02:17
marinelaThe error message is: "Configure the network. No network interfaces detected. No network interfaces were found. The installation subsystem was unable to find a network device. You may need to load a specific module for your network card, if you have one. For this, go back to the Network Hardware Detection step. 1) Go Back 2) Continue"02:17
Assassinaterhow do i install a WM?02:17
tritiumCarlK, what is it you want to try?02:17
CarlKDreamer3 - you're welcome02:17
bestadvocatetritium: out of curiosity how would one go about restarting polyaudio/killing it?02:17
Assassinaterhow do i install a WM?02:17
tritiumbestadvocate, 1) polypaudio -k (the easiest, but not only way to kill it)02:17
marinelaAssassinater, sudo apt-get install ice-wm02:17
carajeani dont see how that helps me install the game it just tells me the drive is mounted02:17
marinelaAfter uncommenting universe02:17
tritiumbestadvocate, 2) polypaudio02:17
thenuketritium: with upgrade I wont now get k3b and abiword upgraded for example, I dont really understand why they would not be upgraded?02:17
AssassinaterReading Package Lists... Done02:18
AssassinaterBuilding Dependency Tree... Done02:18
AssassinaterE: Couldn't find package ice-wm02:18
tritiumthenuke, they're held back for various reasons02:18
marinelaAssassinater, you have to uncomment universe02:18
kbrooksAssassinater, icewm.02:18
marinelasudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list02:18
CarlKtritium - not get this error http://paste.phpfi.com/5201102:18
tritiumthenuke, try "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" to see what a dist-upgrade might do02:18
marinelaOh, or that :$ My bad02:18
jimcooncatquick q: Just used synaptic to install a kernel patch, do I have to reboot for it to take effect?02:18
kbrooksdo you!02:18
CarlKjimcooncat - yes02:18
kbrooksof course!02:18
tritiumjimcooncat, kernel patch?  You'll have to build a custom kernel to use it.02:18
bestadvocatetritium: thanks worked like a charm!02:18
kbrookstritium, uhhh02:19
tritiumbestadvocate, good :)02:19
jimcooncatthanks, tritium02:19
kbrookstritium, untruez0r02:19
marinela;_; Nobody?02:19
Assassinaterdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe02:19
Assassinaterdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe02:19
tritiumkbrooks, a patch is source code changes02:19
bestadvocateI like beep but it doesnt work with my keybord shortcuts02:19
Assassinaterit is uncommented02:19
tritiumkbrooks, so it's true02:19
tritiumjimcooncat, which patch?02:19
thenuketritium: with -u I get the very same output02:19
chillywi1lyI want my startup music AND my frellin mixer applet ;)02:19
jimcooncatkernel-skas-patch for uml02:20
tritiumthenuke, it should tell you what packages will be upgrade, etc.02:20
bestadvocatechillywilly: lalalala indeed!02:20
tritiumjimcooncat, yeah, you'll have to build your own kernel to use that patch02:20
Assassinaterplease help02:20
tritiumpatches don't just get auto-applied to binaries02:20
tuxfor those interested, got it working, also --> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/02:20
thenuketritium: oh, I see that without -u too02:20
tritiumthenuke, so, what's it going to do02:20
tritiumkbrooks, you see?02:21
Ravagestupid question.. did the setup really ask me for a root password?02:21
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tritiumRavage, it should not have02:21
fridgewhat I want to know is, what the hell are you supposed to type in when you boot into single user mode and it prompts you for a root password?02:21
tritiumtux, did you build gaim-vv?02:22
neighborleefridge: your user password is what its wanting ;-)02:22
bestadvocateassassinater: type apt-get install wmaker02:22
CarlKfridge - the root pw...02:22
jimcooncatthanks much tritium, don't know much about what synaptic does. new coming from gentoo02:22
Ravagesame here02:22
CarlKneighborlee - user?02:22
tritiumjimcooncat, good, if you're from Gentoo, you have experiencing building kernels ;)02:22
bestadvocateassassinater: or use synaptic.   it should be on your list if you updated02:22
Assassinateri did that02:22
neighborleeCarlK: yes02:22
Assassinaternow what?02:22
jimcooncatdone a few, hosed a few :-)02:22
tritiumjimcooncat, on debian-based systems, we recommend using kernel-package to build .deb packages of custom kernels02:23
Assassinaterwmaker is what?02:23
Ravageand i think i'll go back to gentoo02:23
chillywi1lykernel-package rules02:23
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Ravagejust testing on my 2nd pc02:23
kbrookstritium, i see02:23
bestadvocateassassinator: thats like wm isnt it?02:23
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jimcooncatanything to make life easier is appreciated.02:23
tritiumkbrooks, it's cool02:23
Chipzztritium: then someone should really update the wiki02:24
jimcooncatthat's why I using ubuntu, and going to run gentoo in uml.02:24
tritiumjimcooncat, it makes building kernels fairly simple.  After installing the package, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package02:24
Ravagemkay.. i must have typed something really stupid as root pass02:24
tritiumChipzz, the wiki does have a page on using kernel-package02:24
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Chipzztritium: btw what is the recommended way of getting patched sources? apt-get source linux-image or apt-get install kernel-source ?02:25
Chipzztritium: the wiki page does have 5 pages on kernel building02:25
Chipzzall saying different things02:25
Chipzzs/does have/has/02:25
tritiumChipzz, linux-source includes ubuntu patches.  Beyond that, you'll need whatever patches you want.02:26
tritiumso, neither linux-image or kernel-source02:26
Chipzztritium: they both do, they just have different ways of patching stuff02:26
Chipzzkbrooks: user mode linux02:26
tritiumChipzz, no, linux-image is not source02:27
kbrooksand that is?02:27
jimcooncatuser-mode-linux, not to be confused with diagramming software02:27
tritiumChipzz, you can use kernel-source, but that's got debian patches, not ubuntu02:27
jimcooncatruns linux within linux02:27
kbrooksand how do i do that02:27
Chipzztritium: note that I said apt-get source linux-image and apt-get install kernel-source02:27
jimcooncatfor instance I want to run gentoo within ubuntu02:27
Chipzzsorry :)02:27
Chipzzwhat I meant is apt-get source linux-image and apt-get install linux-source02:28
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tritiumChipzz, I see that.  However, what you really want is linux-source02:28
kbrooksChipke, TYPO02:28
Chipzztritium: I meant linux-source02:28
Chipzzbut that doesn't answer my question02:28
Chipzzwhich of the above is the recommended way?02:28
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tritiumAs I said, grab linux-source, and the patches you want02:29
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kbrookswhat is it02:30
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Chipzzthe source is only at 26.10 but I need 2.6.11 because I want the alps driver :/02:30
tritiumkbrooks, the linux kernel source code with ubuntu patches02:30
derelmhi, i am having severe problems installing ubuntu, somehow it cannot read oo.org packages on my newly burnt stable cd ...02:30
derelmhow can i get root?02:30
kbrookstritium, NOT THAT02:30
derelmsudo bash doesn't seem to work02:30
Chipzzderelm: sudo su -02:30
tritiumkbrooks, don't yell dude02:30
derelmah ok02:30
gellpakwhere can i get the libstdc++6 library?02:30
kbrookswhat is linux-restricted02:31
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kbrooksi want uml02:31
Chipzzkbrooks: non-free modules02:31
Chipzznvidia for example02:31
Assassinaterhow do i install kde?02:31
Assassinateri tried doing apt-get install kde02:31
CarlKderelm - i got a tip to help you limp through... just a sec02:31
derelmChipzz: btw can the system settings be used from inside a user-session? meaning, can a user run synaptic somehow?02:31
Chipzzderelm: sudo synaptic ?02:31
kbrooksAssassinater, .....02:31
bestadvocateassassinater: dude you didnt like wm?02:32
Assassinaterwmaker is wired02:32
kbrooksand thats it02:32
kbrooksChipke, try it02:32
tritiumAssassinater, in universe02:32
derelmbut when i run it from my users startmenu it won't work02:32
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tritiumderelm, it should ask you for your password when run from the menu02:32
bestadvocateAssassinater, if your using x86_64 + hoary there is no functional KDE02:33
bestadvocateand mono02:33
kbrooksnote: 'functional'02:33
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kbrooks...is in universe'02:33
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tritiumthenuke, so what does the dist-upgrade want to do?02:34
Assassinateri want IceWm02:34
Chipzzwhat I'm trying to figure out is... what is the equivalent package for linux-restricted-modules like linux-source?02:34
kbrooksAssassinater, then enable universe02:34
tritiumChipzz, there's not one.  They're binary only.  That's why they're restricted.02:34
Assassinateri did wmaker it was wired02:34
Chipzztritium: there is nvidia-kernel-source02:34
Assassinatericewm i want cause it looks cool02:34
tritiumChipzz, yes.02:35
tritiumChipzz, answer above still holds.02:35
Chipzztritium: and the nvidia is not binary only02:35
Chipzzit has a restricted license02:35
MacPlusG3Chipzz: it is. they have a few source files and a big binary blob02:35
Chipzzthe nvidia module comes with source, the opengl driver not02:35
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ChipzzMacPlusG3: the kernel module is not, the opengl driver is02:35
Chipzzbut I just want the kernel module02:35
tritiumChipzz, yes, but other drivers are binary only.02:35
danielsChipzz: er, apt-get source linux-restricted-modules02:35
CarlKderelm - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD/02:36
danielsChipzz: nvidia-kernel-source carries the kernel source for nvidia; there's fglrx also02:36
Assassinateri did enable universe02:36
MacPlusG3daniels: unless they've changed things in the past few years, there's a kernel binary blob for nvidia stuff, right?02:36
Chipzzdaniels: but there is no such thing like _one_ source package for that?02:36
derelmargh, thanks everyone, i misinterpreted the password prompt that sudo gives, it wants my password, not a "not-set" root passwort02:36
danielsMacPlusG3: correct02:36
CarlKderelm  let me know if that does anything for you, and if I should add anything to it02:36
danielsChipzz: 12:37 < daniels> Chipzz: er, apt-get source linux-restricted-modules02:36
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Chipzzlet me put it another way02:37
MacPlusG3Chipzz: ^02:37
derelmCarlK: thanks, but i think i'll do the online update02:37
MacPlusG3Chipzz: there is, for example, no way to get that module to run on ppc02:37
Assassinateri did enable universe what now?02:37
HiddenWolfIs there any half-decent ripper that lets one choose the format/bitrate to rip to?02:37
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Chipzzlinux-restricted-modules is 1 binary package, but is built from multiple source packages?02:37
gellpakwhile we're on the subject i've been trying to install fglrx for two days, anyone have experience with that?02:37
CarlKHiddenWolf - grip02:37
MacPlusG3HiddenWolf: grip is pretty customisable02:37
kbrooksHiddenWolf, cdrecord! use cdrecord02:37
chillywi1lyanyone care to help me try and figure out why the mixer applet and startup music has stopped working after installing polypaudio? :)02:37
HiddenWolfkbrooks: not looking to burn02:38
Chipzzor is apt-get source linux-restricted-modules used in conjuction with apt-get source linux-image ?02:38
chillywi1lyeverything else sound-related works02:38
dudI use grip as well, excellent application for ripping cds02:38
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danielsChipzz: what?  no02:38
danielsChipzz: linux-restricted-modules is one source package, that contains nvidia, fglrx, all that sort of thing02:38
CarlKkbrooks - might as well use http://krecipes.sourceforge.net for cd ripping ;)02:38
danielsChipzz: it builds many binary packages (linux-restricted-modules for every kernel, nvidia-glx, xorg-driver-fglrx, etc)02:39
Chipzzdaniels: you're mixing up 2 things here02:39
Chipzzdaniels: you're mixing up apt-get source <apckage> and apt-get install <package-source>02:39
carajeandoes ubuntu automatically put icons on desktops??i chose the option but they never appear02:40
gellpakcan i use the linux-restricted-modules package listed above to install my radeon9800 drivers?02:40
Chipzzlinux-restricted-modules is a binary package02:40
Chipzznot a package containing source02:40
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HiddenWolfWhat is the best codec to rip to, if you don't want to lose any of the quality of the original cd?02:40
danielsChipzz: *sigh*, no02:40
danielsChipzz: all binary packages are produced from a source package02:40
danielsChipzz: apt-get source linux-restricted-modules is the source package for linux-restricted-modules, nvidia-glx, and friends02:41
CarlKHiddenWolf - .wav ;)02:41
tritiumHiddenWolf, flac would work02:41
danielsChipzz: running dpkg-buildpackage on it will give you all the packages that are built from l-r-m02:41
chillywi1lyyou could use flac02:41
danielsChipzz: apt-get install foo-source is not a generic thing and does not usually work02:41
HiddenWolftritium: are there any comparisons around?02:41
chillywi1lyit's lossless compression02:41
danielsChipzz: (trust me, I maintain linux-restricted-modules)02:41
chillywi1lyand a bit smaller tan .wav02:41
Chipzzdaniels: I have built my own kernels on debian with make-kpkg and alsa and nvidia drivers allready02:42
tritiumHiddenWolf, it sounds as good as the originals ;)02:42
Chipzzbut I find the ubuntu way a little confusing02:42
CarlKHiddenWolf - Moose Pack!02:42
HiddenWolftritium: and it's massive. :)02:42
MacPlusG3HiddenWolf: high quality Oggs will be indistinguishable unless you have really good sound gear and hearing02:42
tritiumHiddenWolf, that's the price for using lossless compression02:42
CarlKHiddenWolf - check out http://musepack.net02:43
chillywi1lyHiddenWolf: http://flac.sourceforge.net/02:43
derelmbtw, i thought ubuntu had a boot-splash (not grub-splash, as i don't use ubuntu's grub) but mine shows the more or less ugly starting services in text mode (although i have splash as a kernel command)02:43
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tritiumcomparing lossy codecs is very subjective.  psycoacoustics isn't very objectively measureable02:43
CarlKmoose pack is way more fun to say than flac02:44
pagefaultit's all personal preference02:44
chillywi1lyCarlK: don't give me any flac ;)02:44
pagefaultmuch like window managers02:44
CarlKand distros, and politics, and religion....02:45
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chillywi1lynice nick02:46
chillywi1lywell this blows02:47
shadeofgreyis there a PPC version of the liveCD?02:47
josuei think so... i've got the warty PPC liveCD02:47
Chipzzdaniels: where I'm going wrong is in assuming that linux-restricted-modules is built in conjunction with linux-image, which it's not, it's built seperately02:47
kentderelm, check out usplash on the ubuntu homepage.02:47
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tritiumshadeofgrey, yes, there's an Hoary LiveCD02:48
Chipzznvidia-source is used in conjuction with kernel-source02:48
danielsChipzz: right, it's not.  because linux-image is main, and l-r-m is in restricted.02:48
Chipzz(when building with make-kpkg)02:48
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shadeofgreytri:  can you give me the link to the powerPC live CD for  ubuntu?  i cant find it on google02:48
Chipzzdaniels: I do find the description of nvidia-kernel-source a little confusing though02:48
tritiumshadeofgrey, the latest daily build, or array-5?02:49
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danielsChipzz: please file a bug with a suggested improvement02:49
shadeofgreywhichever is better02:50
tritiumshadeofgrey, you're okay with Hoary being in development?02:50
Chipzzdaniels: how about appending "Use this package if you're building your own kernels with make-kpkg"?02:50
shadeofgreyand once again, i DONT want the install CD -- i need a PPC version of the LiveCD02:51
danielsChipzz: as the entire description?02:51
shadeofgreymy boss at work wants to try it on his powerbook02:51
shadeofgreyim running the hoary version myself.  it runs fine02:51
tritiumshadeofgrey, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/02:51
shadeofgreyhasnt crashed once02:51
Chipzzdaniels: (I think it's confusing in that way that the current description suggests building your own kernel with make-kpkg is deprecated in some way - but maybe I'm just misinterpreting)02:51
tritiumshadeofgrey, you can choose if you want the latest daily, or array02:51
danielsChipzz: i think the disclaimer on it right now is alright; if you know enough to abandon security support and regular updates, i'd hope you knew how the kernel packaging mechanism works02:51
Chipzzdaniels: no, appended to the current description :)02:52
danielsChipzz: it's not deprecated, just that you shouldn't ever do it02:52
derelmkent: hmm, is it not activated by default? the standard installation left me with a grub command that appends splash to the kernels parameters ... so i thought ...02:53
Chipzzdaniels: it's just that if I understand correctly, that package is not used to build the official modules)02:53
shadeofgreyokay im downloading it now...  heres my next question..  how do i burn the iso under linux?  ive never used my CD burner under ubuntu02:53
HiddenWolfugh, how do I get the flac encoder installed?02:53
shadeofgreycan i just right click on the file and say Burn?02:53
shadeofgreyor do i have to mount the CDRW and then burn it?02:53
shadeofgreydoes ubuntu come with a CD burning app?02:53
Chipzznautilus can burn cd's02:53
danielsChipzz: correct.  the official modules are built by the same source package (nvidia-kernel-source is a binary package).  l-r-m source builds l-r-m-* binaries and nvidia-*.02:53
tritiumshadeofgrey, you should be able to right-click, and have nautilus burn it, yes02:53
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tritiumshadeofgrey, you can also try cdrecord, or graveman, for example02:54
LinuxJonesHiddenWolf, install libflac602:55
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CarlKshadeofgrey - with k3b, you drag the files you want onto the "data cd" project02:55
CarlKthen hit burn02:55
LinuxJonesHiddenWolf, sorry flac02:56
carajeanhow to set up ubuntu to display icons automatically??02:56
HiddenWolfLinuxJones: got it, thanks02:56
HiddenWolfcarajean: what do you mean?02:56
mseneyneighborlee, it's currently installing. I took the pains to really partition the HDD instead of just using /  and swap partitions. i made a /boot / /data /swap /var and /log   total 3 primary and 3 logical02:56
Ex-Cyberwhere can I find out how to set up printing?02:56
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carajeanlike i just installed a game and cliked create icon on desktop and i want to know will i work02:57
darmouI'm trying to only gain access to a tab that is a member of hr_manager02:57
darmouI have the code "group_hr_manager" in portal.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember().getGroups()02:57
darmoubut that creates an error for other pages02:57
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LinuxJonesEx-Cyber, gnome-cups-manager02:58
darmousorry an error is created if you are logged out or any other type of user02:58
Ex-CyberLinuxJones: thanks02:58
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Chipzzdaniels: there's just one thing that confuses me... linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.11 contains drivers that aren't unpacked by when you run make menuconfig (they only get patched when building)... so what is the correct way of unpacking these so they show up in make menuconfig ?02:59
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darmouoops sorry wrong channel03:00
jedii have warty set up as a mail server for a domain that i own with some friends (using postfix with courier-imap). we want some kind of server side spam filtering... which package would be best? bogofilter? spamassassin?03:00
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tritiumdarmou, I was wondering...03:00
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danielsChipzz: don't know, i don't use a custom kernel so i don't have these problems03:00
derelmjedi: postfix itself can make use of some realtime blacklists, i think that would be the first thing to do03:01
HiddenWolfDoesn't flac have any support for tags?03:01
tritiumholy smokes, grepero.  Long time no see.  (months ago in #debian, I believe)03:01
jediderelm: thanks, i'll look into that03:01
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Chipzzdaniels: thx for the help anyway :)03:02
Assassinaterneed help03:03
Assassinaterthe dam fonts are so small03:03
jediAssassinater: hey, ask your question03:03
Assassinaterin IceWm03:03
Assassinaterand i mean like03:04
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Assassinaterthe title bar03:04
Assassinaterand stuff03:04
Assassinaterbelow the bar03:04
Assassinaterlike File03:04
Assassinateri tried going to control center no diff03:04
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Assassinaterhelp please03:06
jedii doubt many of us here use IceWM03:06
shadeofgreyexcyber:  www.ubuntuguide.org03:07
monkey89how do I disable the gpg authentication for apt03:07
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shadeofgreythat willshow you just about everything you need to know about getting the most common stuff done.03:07
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LinuxJonesDoes anybody know what happened to Kamion, I havn't seen him in IRC in like a month ?03:08
shadeofgreythanks for all the help guys. i appreciate it03:08
shadeofgreyim out for the evening03:08
shadeofgreytake care everybody03:08
tritiumshadeofgrey, see yo03:08
LinuxJonescya ;)03:08
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gellpakproblem: i'm running an amd64 chip and apparently need libstdc++6 to install my ati drivers... i see no amd64 version of this lib on debian. has anyone else had this problem?03:09
delltonyquestion, is there a program that will make animated gifs in linux or will gimp do it?03:10
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Ex-Cyberwhat can I do if the margins on my printer are wrong?03:11
tritiumdelltony, something in imagemagick might03:11
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IvyCQHomemsg nickserv identify 5994jaxx03:13
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IvyCQHomemsg nickserv identify 5994jaxx03:13
monkey89you're forgetting a /, now change the pass03:13
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delltonyok ill take a look at it thanks03:14
nix000which imap/pop server would you guys recommend ?03:14
HiddenWolfDoes Flac support tags?03:14
gellpakwheres a good place to download libraries and scripts(that what they're called? such as module-assistant, etc)03:16
CarlKhoary is trying to install itself to a 514mb HD - shouldn't it have figured out that it isn't gona fit?03:17
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xvershey.. im running warty 64 bit, i need to donwload a c compiler, what do i apt-get? please03:18
tritiumxvers, it's easiest to get build-essential03:19
nix000xvers, apt-get build-essential03:19
LinuxJonesxvers, build-essential03:19
xverssorry.. im new at this03:19
tritiumno problem!  :)03:19
LinuxJonesxvers, welcome aboard :)03:19
delltonytritium, i was looking in the dpkg -L for the program I need to execute is there a main program or do you just load say animate for example?03:20
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tritiumdelltony, you probably just want to run animate from the command line.  take a look at the manaul page03:21
chillywi1lyyay, I fixed it all by reverting to ESD03:21
tritiumdelltony, nice work with dpkg -L !03:21
delltonyi'm learning ;)03:21
monkey89oh thank goodness, aisleriot solitaire got improved in gnome 2.1003:21
monkey89now i can undo on game over! woooo03:21
delltonyi ask questions in here alot but i try to retain it03:21
delltonyand thanks03:21
tritiumof course03:21
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tritiumdelltony, I'm reading the man page myself.  I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for...03:22
delltonytritium, curious to know are the devs gonna add a easy way to add menus back to gnome or are we going to be forced to make the .desktop files by hand?03:22
delltonyit doesn't look like it03:23
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delltonyi was looking for something that would take several images and make them into frames03:23
delltonymuch like animation shop for windows03:23
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CarlKdelltony - the imagemagick package will do it03:23
fridgemencoder can do that also03:24
delltonyok which man should i read then if you don't mind?03:24
CarlKoh yeah, and transcode03:24
CarlKdelltony - check out convert03:24
tritiumdelltony, that should be fixed for Hoary's release03:24
CarlKdelltony - do you want to make .gif or .mpeg?03:24
delltonywanted to make an animated gif03:25
delltonyof some photos i have03:25
delltonyhang on phone call sorry brb03:25
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xvers"Parser perl module is required for intltool"  what do i do?03:26
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CarlKdelltony - convert will turn a bunch of images into an animated gif03:26
delltonyok will look got a client on the phone :( always happens03:27
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mseneyjust finished installing ubuntu and for some reason bam X is messed up and won't start03:28
aeruderi was about to say the same thing mseney03:28
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mseneyyou have the same problem?03:28
aeruderX seems to have some problems in hoary03:28
mseneyahh i see03:29
tritiumaeruder, not really...03:29
goldfishi had trouble with it after installing warty03:29
Levanderis there any easy way to see what packages are going to be included in hoary?03:29
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tritiumaeruder, are you using nvidia or ati drivers?03:30
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mseneyi just did a complete install for hoary. my card is an older nvidia.03:30
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SeanQHelp! Major problem.03:30
mseneynow if i remember right from a article i read root is disabled so how do i enable it so i can edit my /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?03:30
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tritiummseney, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg03:31
Levandermseney, sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:31
SeanQShould I boot into my old kernel if I just upgraded to hoary, or the new one created my hoary?03:31
CarlKmseney - I have hoary runing on a way old S1, 1meg card ;)03:31
aeruderi'm using xorg.conf drivers03:31
photoguy41can someone give me the name of the qt-lib files?03:31
aeruderactually, it looks like its just deprecation of xtt module03:31
delltonyok CarlK back ill go look at convert right now thanks again03:31
mseneytritium, what will that do?03:31
HiddenWolfHow can I disable autoplay for audio cd's?03:31
aeruderso if any of you guys have Load "xtt" you need to make sure that's not there :)03:31
tritiummseney, it will reconfigure X.org03:31
Levanderphotoguy41, try apt-cache search qt to find out03:31
mseneyk will try and brb03:31
regeyaanimated gifs are simple in gimp, if that's what you'd like to do.  make a separate layer for each cell, then when that's done, go to Filter->Animation->Optimize (For GIF).  Changing the speed of the animation is as simple as changing the time values in parens on each layer.03:32
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tritiumHiddenWolf, in the Removable Storage settings.03:32
delltonyaww so just do layer on top of layer on top of layer?03:32
aeruderany others having problems, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have a Load "xtt" change it to Load "freetype"03:32
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HiddenWolftritium: where are those?03:33
regeyayeah delltony...I'm betting there's a more automated way, but heh, when I do web banners, I need the control so I sorta haven't sought out a more automated way :-}03:33
regeyaI'd also suggest scaling/converting the images to indexed03:33
tritiumHiddenWolf, on hoary, it's System->Preferences->Removable Storage03:34
tritiumHiddenWolf, perhaps under Computer in Warty03:34
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regeyayou could batch that with mogrify...someone who's used mogrify in the last couple of years could probably help you with the syntax03:34
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regeyaiirc imagemagick can do animated gifs, but I've never attempted it.03:36
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tritiumyeah, mogrify is part of imagemagick03:38
regeyaI use 'mogrify' and 'convert' on occasion.  great lazy man's tool for batch jobs. :-D03:38
tritiumthe api is poorly documented, though, at least in C03:40
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goldfishIs there a package to apt-get for viewing .chm files?03:40
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GammaRaythough I perfer archmage myself03:42
GammaRayit extracts them03:42
delltonyyeah i was doing a banner myself thats why i was asking but the idea works thanks03:42
goldfishoh right03:42
goldfishthank you03:42
kaoscan someone help me figure out how to use this godamned thing to install shit03:44
regeyaapt-get install shit03:45
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tritiumthen, when you don't want it anymore, dpkg --purge bowels03:46
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goldfishkaos: What do you want to install?03:46
regeyakaos, you know, rather than bursting onto IRC and impressing us with your charm and wit, why not start by giving us a more articulate summary of what seems to be the problem03:46
regeyaif you've installed ubuntu and...what a dick03:46
Plukim running vmware on ubuntu, and it set a bridge on eth0 but i want it to be on another interface, anybody know where to change it?03:47
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bretzelHi Who is able to change The banner in the Ubuntu channel , for changing  "Array 4 is released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/" to array-5 ? because raay-5 is running far more better than array-4 8-)03:47
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goldfishsudo /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password your_db_user_password03:50
goldfishdoes that mean mysqld will run as root?03:50
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goldfishoh no03:51
bryanwnew to ubuntu here, when i go to download the distro is gives me a choice or 4.10, jigit, or warty.  Are 4.10 and warty the same.  If not what is the difference?03:51
tritiumyes, 4.10 is Warty03:51
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mouchewhat's jigit?03:51
bryanwok thanks, man i can't spell tonight03:51
tritiummouche, for using jigdo03:52
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delltonyregeya, question you stated change the parm for each layer to change transition time on the image where is that exactly ?03:53
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elec_how do i configuring /etc/apt/sources.lst for put http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/warty/ ?03:55
thundrcleezeWhat's jigdo/jigit?03:55
tritiumjigdo was/is a way of assembling .iso images from .deb packages03:55
goldfishjigdo is a program03:55
gellpakanyone have experience installing fglrx?03:55
golihow do you boot with the "noinotify" option? which files should i edit? google is not very helpful on this.03:57
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tritiumgoli, you can edit the kopt in /boot/grub/menu.lst03:57
[Spooky] hello folks03:57
golitritium, thanks03:57
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tritiumgoli, when you're done, run update-grub03:58
golitritium, thanks again03:58
lavigjhey guys, can someone give me a hand ripping an ISO of a CD? I have tried dd if=/media/cdrom1 of=my_cd.iso but it is saying that /media/cdrom1 is a directory03:59
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ljlanelavigj: /media/cdrom1 is a mount point. You want the acutal /dev/what, like /dev/hdc for example.04:00
[Spooky] lavigj: hm try sudo dd if=/dev/hdd 0f=my_cd.iso04:01
lavigjljlane: ah, ok... feelin' kinda dume now but I follow :)04:01
[Spooky] lavigj: btw is it a bootable datacd ?04:01
lavigj[Spooky] : nope04:01
[Spooky] ok04:02
lavigj[Spooky] : just a data cd04:02
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[Spooky] ok well then try on :)04:02
dudlavigj, mkisofs -o file.iso /path/04:02
[Spooky] mkisofs cant make from cds right ?04:02
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lavigjdud: I thought about that too... I was trying to get the dd method to work. Thanks for all the help though! it's always nice to get more help than I know what to do with04:03
dudI've made iso's from a cd like that before04:03
dudwhen a cd is mounted, it doesnt differ much from a normal directory consering such applications04:03
lavigjljlane: that seems to be doing the trick. I should have added -v but that's ok. thanks04:03
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mseneyhey okay i am now using the newly installed ubuntu hoary system :)04:05
lavigjI am trying to get Xcom Apocalypse working in dosbox... I am hoping that mounting an ISO will help things along :)04:05
delltonyregeya, you stil ther?04:05
mseneydo you all run a firewall like firestarter or something?04:06
mseneyjust feeling a little unprotected here right now04:07
Dreamer3mseney: why feel unprotected if you run no external exporses services? :)04:07
Dreamer3mseney: i mean, unless there was a rare bug in the kernel TCP/IP code you're safe with a default install  (AFAIK)04:07
mseneyi dunno, i guess im just used to having a firewall04:07
mseneyokay thanks04:08
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lavigjdoh!!! dosbox is only up to .61 and I need .62 or later to mount an image04:08
Dreamer3mseney: not saying don't get one :)04:08
Dreamer3mseney: just saying don't be too paranoid while it's downloading :)04:08
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lavigjmseney: I have a router with a firewall :)04:08
delltonyoh i got it now :)04:09
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mseneymaybe thats what i can turn my old Thinpad 600e into , screen died but still runs04:10
mseney* thinkpad04:10
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Amaranthmseney: headless fileserver?04:10
mseneydo you all use sudo all the time are did you actually unlock the root user04:10
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lavigjmseney: check out tomshardware for a fun project if it is just the backlight that burned out04:11
mseneyAmaranth, yeah.04:11
tritiummseney, if I really need to, I'll use sudo -s -H04:11
Amaranthmseney: Set it up to be your music server. :)04:11
mseneysmall HDD on it04:11
mseneylike 5 Gig04:11
mseneyas long as i can ssh into it , that's all that matters to me heh04:12
lavigjmseney: check out www.smoothwall.org04:12
mseneyyeah i've heard of that, a co-worker i think is making his system into a firewall for his Linux class04:12
aeolistmaybe you can keep it as a backup machine... for .debs and /home04:12
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lavigjmseney: the only thing is that you will need dual nics for firewall duty04:13
qlo-xaelhowdy folx04:13
lavigjdon't know if that is a problem/possible for you or not04:13
Ex-Cyberwhat's the best way to go about printing a postscript file? if I just use lpr my printer takes a really long time and just prints blank pages04:13
mseneywow this is wierd using Gnome again. been awhile.04:13
qlo-xaelI desparately need help installing a newly compiled kernel, for some reason no matter how i compile my kernel, there are a set of modules, listed in /etc/modules that are still attempted to be loaded04:14
qlo-xaelcan anyone help? i can get much more specific with the problem04:15
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mseneywhat is this port, i just nmap scanned myself and this is open    631/tcp open  ipp04:15
qlo-xaeli've followed the advice of all the kernel compile howto's on ubuntu wiki04:15
goldfishmseney: some printer stuff04:15
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GIMP666how do I install an rpm in ubuntu04:15
goldfishmseney: I tried to kill it but i cudnt04:15
mseneycups related or something?04:16
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GIMP666if someone wants to help me, pleae PM me and tell me steps, I am totally lost04:16
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tritiumGIMP666, if you must, use alien to convert rpm to deb04:16
aeolistmseney, there is a guide at tldp (pdf) with like 800 pages of networking and administration info and advices... it has an appendix with a full list of ports and what they do04:16
lavigjmseney: google told me it is IPP, internet printing protocol ;)04:16
Sysaceguys.. been having trouble installing ubuntu 4.10 (warty) on my mac.. it was suggested that my burned cd was the issue.  Today I got my official ubuntu cd in the mail, but I'm having the same issue.. after first stage of install completes, it reboots and I get error:  pivot_root:  No such file or directory.  This is on a B/W G3, starting with blank hd... can anybody help?04:17
Plukin vmware though, hoping that way i still can run some apps and ditch my normal windows install :)04:17
mseneyoh so like if you want to print something off the web it uses that port or something im guessing04:17
tritiumqlo-xael, /etc/modules specifies modules to load at boot.04:17
mseneyaeolist, k thanks.04:17
GIMP666tritium, I now did that, it appears to be a folder now what[04:17
tritiumGIMP666, don't know, never used it04:17
mseneywell im going to try and use this distro and see if it's one i really like and can stick with. look forward to learning more. thanks for chatting w/ me guys, night!04:18
qlo-xaeltritium: yup figured that much out04:18
tritiumqlo-xael, if you don't want them to load, you have to remove them from that file04:18
tritiumqlo-xael, which method did you use to build your kernel?04:19
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qlo-xaelmake-kpkg ... --initrd binary04:19
tritiumqlo-xael, good04:19
qlo-xaelI compiled the kernel with all these things built in to it04:20
qlo-xaelwhen i commented the modules out of /etc/modules, they didnt load or try to load04:20
qlo-xaelnor did the things that i compiled into the kernel04:20
qlo-xaelwhen i compiled a new kernel, those modules failed to load04:21
qlo-xaelmousedev and psmouse included04:21
qlo-xaelso no X naturally04:21
qlo-xaelwhen i commented out the modules, it didnt try to load them anymore, but neither did the mouse stuff i included in the kernel04:22
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qlo-xaeli'm stumped, totally stumped04:22
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qlo-xaelfor a while i thought it had to do with not having an initrd, but i finally got one of those built and no difference04:22
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qlo-xaeltritium, u still there?04:22
=== Sysace is totally stumped.. :( and can't find mac help anywhere..
MacHelpI am using ubuntu, how do I install the file I have downloaded for Mac-On-Linux04:22
wjesus_axlhey guys I'm newbie04:23
dudwhat sort of files are those?04:23
tritiumqlo-xael, yes04:23
goldfishhi wjesus_axl04:23
qlo-xaeltritium, have any idea?04:23
Ex-Cyberblah, is there a guide to print troubleshooting anywhere?04:23
wjesus_axlhey goldfish.. I've got a questions..04:23
tritiumqlo-xael, no.  I have no need to build a custom kernel04:23
tritiumqlo-xael, I haven't done so since I used to in debian to get nvidia modues04:23
goldfishwjesus_axl: go ahead, im a bit of a newbie too :)04:24
tritiumMacHelp, what type of file is it?04:24
Sysacecan ANYBODY help?  or suggest where I might get help???04:24
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qlo-xaeltritium: you woudnt know where the linux kernel headers are stored for ubuntu huh?04:24
dudSysace, try #ubuntu-ppc for mac specific stuff04:24
tritiumqlo-xael, in linux-headers- packages04:24
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qlo-xaelso if i install them, where will they be located04:24
tritiumMacHelp, there was no .deb in the repos?04:25
dudMacHelp, install alien and have that convert it to .deb packages, then use dpkg -i <filename.deb>04:25
qlo-xaeli have to install wlan-ng, and the latest version is the only one that has support for my wireless04:25
carajeanwhere is ubuntus firewalls  located??04:25
tritiumMacHelp, if you must, use aliena04:25
monkey89anyone know how to get the gui in mplayerplug-in to appear04:25
dudcarajean, you have to install one04:25
qlo-xaelthe latest version isnt available as a deb package that i know of, certainly not for ubuntu04:25
dudtry guarddog or firestarter carajean04:25
carajeanoh ok04:25
tritiumqlo-xael, you're better off building the module.  For that, all you need is the headers to match your kernel04:26
Sysacedud:  thanks.. will try04:26
qlo-xaeltritium, the headers arent naturallly installed by default right? are the in the cdrom?04:26
Sysacedud:  only 1 person there.. hope he's good.. lol04:26
tritiumqlo-xael, right.04:26
wjesus_axlanyone can help me..04:27
wjesus_axlI have some problems.. installing mplayer04:27
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MacHelptheres nobody in ubuntu-pppc04:27
tritiumqlo-xael, you'll have to apt-get install them04:28
MacHelpalien isn't working04:28
wjesus_axlI tried to..04:28
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dudhehe, never been there myself... it is the official channel for ppc ubuntu support >_<04:28
lynrobI need help with printer not detected in add a printer04:28
wjesus_axlbut there are still some things I don't know how to do..04:28
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Sysaceis there nowhere to get help for mac?  I'm desperate here..04:28
tritiumlynrob, was it plugged in and turned on at boot?04:29
dudMacHelp, how is it not working? you have to run it as sudo...04:29
wjesus_axlthere are some libs I need to install like libavfcodecs or something like that04:29
dudand its not installed by default... sudo apt-get install alien04:29
MacHelpdud, i have ran it as root/sudo it says this04:29
qlo-xaeltritium: i noticed the only headers avaialable are for, the kernel i have is, does this make a difference?04:29
dudI've never experienced an rpm not being able to be converted to deb with alien04:29
tritiumqlo-xael, yes, it does04:29
dudunless the package is faulty of course04:29
poningruany sim city type games in the universe or any reps?04:29
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amexcan anybody help with MoinMoin installation? I install the moin package, but I don't know what I have to do know04:30
MacHelpmkdir: cannot create directory `mol-0.9.70/debian': File exists04:30
dudponingru, you can buy simcity 3k for linux :)04:30
dudnothing beats the original hehe04:30
qlo-xaelam i looking wrong here? why can't i find 1-2 headers?04:30
poningruheh no money poor college student here04:30
lynrobtritium yes printer was turned on at boot up04:30
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quittehi. i got a friend that has a webpad running xp webpad edition. how are his chances he can use it with ubuntu. especially the "touchscreen"?04:30
poningruand I dont like pirating stuff04:31
tritiumlynrob, okay.04:31
lavigjhey guys, can I add hoary universe without messing everything up? I want to add a single package from it04:31
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ShadeofGreycan somebody post the link to the hoary liveCD for PPC please?04:31
qlo-xaeltritium, are headers available?04:31
tritiumlavigj, the package you want may depend on other packages also in Hoary.04:31
ShadeofGreyi need it for work tomorrow and cant find the link aagain04:31
tritiumqlo-xael, no.  I think you might want to upgrade your kernel04:32
ShadeofGreydownloaded it while using ubuntu and the system crashed while attempting to burn the iso04:32
unifiquitte: not likely that linux wsill support a tablet pc04:32
lavigjtritium: hmm... well, can I add hoary universe and find out? :)04:32
qlo-xaeli can't beleive i'm having more problems with ubuntu than i ever had with slackware04:32
tritiumlavigj, if you want to.04:32
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ShadeofGreyqlo-xael: believe me i had problems too but its well worth it. ubuntu is the best distro ive ever used04:33
tritiumlavigj, it won't mess anything up to add the repo, apt-get update, and simulate installing the package04:33
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MacHelpmkdir: cannot create directory `mol-0.9.70/debian': File exists04:33
quitteunifi i just used. google. it *is* supported. the touchscreen is just a wacom digitizer :D04:33
dudShadeofGrey, the link is in the topic...04:33
qlo-xaelShadeofGrey, i really do see the potential, i've just never had so many issues before, i had more devices work right off the bat in slack04:33
NodeUserwondering if someone could help me...04:33
wjesus_axlI cant make any deb file work04:33
wjesus_axlhelp me04:33
lavigjtritium: I can also download the single package... I could manually check my dependencies...04:33
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NodeUseri just installed ubuntu and the internet won't work04:33
tritiumlavigj, true.  which package is it?04:33
qlo-xaelbut the up-to-date packages almost make it completely worth it too04:33
lavigjtritium: I am guessing there is a way to apt-get with a local file for the source?04:33
tritiumlavigj, you'll use dpkg for the local .deb package04:34
NodeUseri configured my nework04:34
quittelavigj: dpkg-scanpackages04:34
dudbut anyhow ShadeofGrey... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/current/hoary-live-powerpc.iso04:34
lavigjtritium: ok. it is http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/otherosfs/dosbox - dosbox04:34
NodeUserbut for some reason i can't even reach another computer on my lan04:34
qlo-xaelhow do i upgrade my kernel from to ?04:34
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ShadeofGreythanks guys!04:34
dudlavigj, I know the guy who makes dosbox :P04:35
ShadeofGreyg'night all.04:35
tritiumlavigj, yeah, it depends on quite a few packages.  You may end up with quite a few Hoary packages.04:35
quitteqlo-xael apt-get install the kernel and reboot04:35
dudexcellent application04:35
tritiumqlo-xael, do you have the Warty security repo enabled?04:35
lavigjdud: agreed. I need to get .63 for iso loading unfortunately04:35
qlo-xaeldont beleive so04:35
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NodeUserdoes anyone know how to configure network interfaces04:35
qlo-xaeltritium, what is that?04:35
tritiumqlo-xael, it's for security updates, including new kernels04:35
MoonUnitAlphacan anyone help me in setting up m4a playback in rhythmbox?04:36
tritiumNodeUser, yes, in /etc/network/interfaces04:36
qlo-xaeltritium, how do i enable it?04:36
dudor, you can use gnome networking wizard...04:36
NodeUsertheir all set up04:36
lavigjtritium: >> means greater than version xxx of a package, right?04:36
tritiumlavigj, yeah04:36
NodeUserbut my comp won't connect to any other computer, not even on my lan04:36
dud> is greater than, >> is much greater than, isnt it?04:36
tritiumqlo-xael, either edit /etc/apt/sources.list, or use synaptic to set it up04:36
dudat least in traditional math...04:37
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lavigjtritium: crap...04:37
tritiumdud, in dependencies?04:37
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tritiumlavigj, what?04:37
gellpakquestion using synaptic... how do I add a package I have saved but which it doesnt have listed?04:37
MaxeyPadHow exactly can I su to root on a fresh install?  simply typing su doesn't appear to work04:37
tritiumgellpak, dpkg -i <package>04:37
lavigjtritium: it looks like this might be more trouble than it is worth.04:37
dudtritium, not sure... was just thinking out loud here :)04:37
tritiumMaxeyPad, sudo -s -H04:38
tritiumlavigj, sure could be04:38
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lavigjtritium: :)04:38
lynrobwhy are the simplest things so complicated in linux04:38
dudgellpak, dpkg -i <filename.deb>04:38
tritiumlavigj, another option is to get the source for dosbox in Hoary, but build it in Warty04:38
duderm, someone beat me to that one by a mile hehe04:38
kakaltodoes anyone know why shpchp and pciehp fail to load on startup?04:38
tritiumlynrob, because they're even more complicated in Windows04:38
lavigjtritium: hmm.... unfortunately, that's still a little beyond my ubuntu skills...04:38
NodeUseranyone here know anything about networks... it worked fine with debian sid04:38
dudkakalto, they're related to laptops I think04:38
lynrobi have been trying to setup a printer for weeks04:39
qlo-xaelso how do i go about installing an updated kernel/04:39
kakaltodud, I get the same error on three completely different DESKTOPs04:39
MoonUnitAlphai got pretty much everything on my comp up and going in about an hour including install, i was actually really happy04:39
dudkakalto, just put them in the hotplug blacklist then... nothing to worry about04:39
lavigjlynrob: using cups?04:39
kakaltohow do I do that?04:39
tritiumlavigj, okay, it's not too difficult.  apt-get source --compile, presuming you have the build-deps installed04:39
JDahllynrob, did you look at www.linuxprinting.org?04:39
dudkakalto, man blacklist04:40
tritiumqlo-xael, did you enable the security repo?04:40
lavigjtritium: yeah, but what if I don't have the correct versions of the build deps?04:40
qlo-xaeltritium, i feel like a newbie, i can't find that option in synaptic04:40
tritiumkakalto, append them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist04:40
tritiumqlo-xael, want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list?04:40
lynrobi will go there now04:41
kakaltodud, "no manual entry for blacklist"04:41
tritiumlavigj, there's an option to download the build-deps too :)04:41
qlo-xaeltritium, absolutely, manual is fine for me04:41
tritiumqlo-xael, okay04:41
lavigjtritium: hmm....04:41
dudkakalto, do as tritum said :)04:41
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NodeUseranyone know anything about ubuntu networking?04:42
tritiumlavigj, take a look at the manual page for apt-get04:42
TetrisMasterhello, im in need of help04:42
qlo-xaeltritium, ah! i see it warty-security right?04:42
tritiumNodeUser, /etc/network/interfaces04:42
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lavigjtritium: I will04:42
tritiumqlo-xael, yes.  Uncomment those 2 lines :)04:42
NodeUserit won't work04:42
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NodeUserit's already configured04:42
tritiumNodeUser, that's a file you can edit04:42
dudlavigj, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto04:42
tritiumnot an executable file04:42
NodeUseri kniow04:42
NodeUseri dud ut04:42
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NodeUser*i did it04:43
dudor for all that needs to add repositories in general actually04:43
tritiumlavigj, :)04:43
TetrisMasterdoes anyone know why Ubuntu, and Knoppix wont run correctly on my computer????04:43
lavigjdud: yeah, I am gonna man apt-get a minute to see if it is worth the effort...04:43
NodeUsermy comp won't connect to anything04:43
dudTetrisMaster, there could be a million reasons04:43
TongMaestrosend me your computer TetrisMaster and I'll have a look.04:43
qlo-xaeltritium, hmm synaptic didnt like that04:44
dudNodeUser, what does ifconfig show?04:44
imaginatorNodeUser: are you using ethernet?  do you have /etc/resolv.conf or DHCP setup?04:44
regeyaI want to be a tetris mastar04:44
tritiumqlo-xael, what do you mean?04:44
quittecan someone tell me the english term for handschrifterkennung? letting a computer detect words you write with a pen connected to the computer?04:44
tritiumlavigj, there are quite a few build-deps for dosbox04:44
qlo-xaeli got errors, hold on i'll try from synatpic04:44
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quittei need that info to find out if that is supported with linux but dont know what to search for04:44
dudOCR Quest-Master04:45
duderm quitte04:45
pussfellerquitte, optical charecter recogntion?04:45
dudoptical character recognition04:45
Quest-Masterdud: ?04:45
tritiumOCR is for scanned documents and such, not really for "digital" pens04:45
clopsyquick question--my (windows 98) pc EJECTS the Ubuntu installer disc RIGHT on machine startup--does NOT do this with other linux live/installer discs.04:46
Quest-MasterYeah, why was my name mentioned?04:46
clopsy? any ideas why?04:46
pussfelleri dont think theres a good ocr for lin04:46
quittei was more thinking about doing that on the fly for a web pad. ocr is for using with a scanner afaik04:46
dudthe way you input the characters doesn't matter, as long as they are optical04:46
tritiumquitte, correct04:46
NodeUserit has my ip, netmask, etc...04:46
NodeUserthe same as i had in debian sid04:46
NodeUseri'm using ethernet04:46
dudlike, the palm pilots... its called OCR when you write with grafitti04:46
qlo-xaeltritium, see this is what scares me about ubuntu, to me, its been hostile to tweaking, but i think m y lack of debian knowledge has somehting to do with that too04:46
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tritiumqlo-xael, it's really not that hostile.  You're just used to a different system.  It takes time.04:47
TetrisMasterMy monitor, which is at least 4 years old will not work with Ubuntu, why?, when i first load up the CD it asks for colums/rows, or 'scan'....then sound loads, but monitor goes black...any ideas?04:47
tritiumqlo-xael, what did apt-get update say?04:47
imaginatorNodeUser: does `route show` list the proper gateway?04:47
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TetrisMastermy monitor is a Compaq MV92004:48
TetrisMasterwith an NVIDIA geforce 4 FX520004:48
lavigjTetrisMaster: it is having trouble finding the specs for it. I would google your monitor to find out the specs, and you can probably find what you need to get it working. I am not super familiar with auto-detection for monitors, but that should get you moving in the right direction04:48
NodeUserit just shows an *04:49
qlo-xaeltritium, update worked fine04:49
tritiumqlo-xael, great.04:49
qlo-xaelnow how do i update to the from 1-2 ?04:50
qlo-xaelwhat package i should say04:50
tritiumqlo-xael, try an apt-get upgrade now04:50
qlo-xaelhow large can i expect this download? just curious04:50
tritiumqlo-xael, depends on what's going to be upgraded.04:51
imaginatorNodeUser: do you know what your gateway should be?   you should probably do: route add default 192.a.b.c  replace as needed for your gateway's IP04:51
tritiumTetrisMaster, maybe it doesn't report edid info?04:51
qlo-xaelok i'm goin for it04:51
NodeUsermy gateway is
NodeUsermy comp is
tritiumTetrisMaster, what does sudo ddcprobe return?04:52
NodeUsermy netmask
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kh4nhhi guys, how u doin'04:52
TetrisMasteri dont know tritium?04:52
imaginatorNodeUser: ok.  then making it your default should help matters.  if you can ping a site by IP address then this part works.04:52
NodeUseri can't even ping my gateway04:52
kh4nhi have a question about symbolic link. can anyone help me?04:52
qlo-xaeltritium, says i need 324MB of archives04:52
NodeUserdestination host unreachable - or something like that04:52
qlo-xaeltritium, thats nuts man04:52
lavigjtritium: so if I have this right, I will replace my deb-src for warty with the deb-src for hoary, then use the source feature of apt-get?04:52
tritiumqlo-xael, too much for you right now?04:53
imaginatorNodeUser: does ifconfig -a list your IP address?04:53
qlo-xaelon a modem, quiet04:53
qlo-xaelerr quite04:53
tritiumlavigj, you got it!04:53
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kh4nhsymbolic link question, anyone pls?04:53
qlo-xaeltritium, i just need to upgrade a kernel a little so i can install these wlan-ng drivers04:53
aromananyone running hoary?04:53
kh4nhi am running hoary here04:53
tritiumqlo-xael, what's your linux-image package name?  you can just apt-get install that04:54
luis_I'm too04:54
aromandoes your sound work properly?04:54
lavigjtritium: by doing it this way, is there too much of a chance I will totally frag my computer?04:54
lavigj(not that it is a horrible thing if I do, just like to know what I am getting into)04:54
kh4nhsymbolic link04:54
tritiumlavigj, you're just going to get the source from Hoary.  The build-deps you'll grab from Warty, and try to build dosbox that way.  You will be okay.04:54
lavigjtritium: gotcha. sounds good.04:55
lavigjI shall attempt this me thinks04:55
lavigjtritium: thanks for all the help04:55
tritiumlavigj, sure.  Good luck :)04:55
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dudlavigj, if you're paranoid or very clumsy, you could fetch the file in question through ftp, and use dpkg -i04:55
qlo-xaeltritium, i found the linux-image-, i can just apt-get install that?04:56
NodeUserimaginator, yeah - it lists it when i ifconfig -a04:56
dudor -b or something... for building04:56
tritiumqlo-xael, yep04:56
lavigjdud: nah, like I siad... not a huge deal if I frag this system, just want to know what I am getting into :)04:56
tritiumqlo-xael, then, don't forget the linux-headers to match that same version04:56
imaginatorNodeUser: inet  ?  that's strange.  I guess something with your router, or with your kernel is weird...04:56
qlo-xaelthanks infinitely tritium, i'm that much closer to regaining my sanity04:57
TetrisMasterhmm completely lost now...04:57
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lavigjdud: do you happen to have the link to that wiki entry handy?04:57
tritiumqlo-xael, sure thing :)04:58
tritiumqlo-xael, hang in there.  You're doing great.04:58
qlo-xaeljust curious 's icon in synaptic has a star next to it, whats that mean?04:58
dudhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto <-- that one?04:58
OrangeSliceupgrade available, I think04:58
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NodeUserimaginator, it worked fine with debian sid04:59
OrangeSlicenot sure though, I do everything through commandline apt-get :p04:59
NodeUsernot my router04:59
tritiumOrangeSlice, me too04:59
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lavigjdud: thank you much sir05:00
tritiumTetrisMaster, what did ddcprobe report?05:01
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lavigjtritium: should I remove the other version of dosbox before I attempt the upgrade?05:03
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kahaAnyone have any idea why upgrading to Hoary would cause me to lose my sound? (Only on games; system sounds work)05:04
tritiumlavigj, no need.  You're just getting source, and you will later replace it with a newer version.05:04
Dr_willisI would gess a permission issue kaha05:05
christopher_any one wanna reccomend me some firewall/masq./routing software05:05
lavigjtritium: thanks05:05
NodeUserthanks imaginator anyway05:06
kahaDr_willis:  thanx, I'll look through it again.05:06
NodeUseranyone know anything about ubuntu and the network05:06
Dr_williskaha,  since it works.. but not all the time. :P05:06
marty_is this os stable05:06
tritiumkaha, it could be polypaudio05:06
tritiumlots of people are having trouble with it05:06
Dr_willisNodeUser,  thats a little vague. :P05:06
tritiumkaha, it replaces esound in Hoary upgrade05:07
kahasomething else to check. Thanks, all.  :)05:07
christopher_any one wanna reccomend me some firewall/masq./routing software05:07
christopher_any one wanna reccomend me some firewall/masq./routing software05:07
christopher_what are youall useing?05:08
Dr_willisHmm... Ugh.. Linux. :P05:08
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tritiumchristopher_, nothing05:08
duduse guarddog or firestarter or something05:08
Dr_willisits all in there. :P05:08
dudand dont fscking repeate05:08
lavigjtritium: if I could bother you with one more question, that was sudo apt-get install dosbox -source?05:08
dudapt-get -b source dosbox05:08
tritiumno, apt-get source05:08
tritiumdud is right05:08
lavigjk, thanks guys05:09
christopher_dud, will firestarter masq?05:09
dud-b if you want to build as well that is05:09
NodeUseri configured my network, manually, and i'm using ethernet05:09
tritiumbut you might not have all the build-deps yet05:09
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lavigjdud: thanks05:09
dudchristopher_, dunno... just try it05:09
NodeUsereverything is configured properly05:09
lavigjtritium: and I don't...05:09
gellpakhow do i stop and restart X?05:09
christopher_NodeUser, how do you masq manually??05:09
NodeUserit shows up in ifconfig -a correctley05:09
lavigjtritium: should I just start going through and building the deps until I find the missing one?05:10
tritiumlavigj, apt-get build-dep dosbox then05:10
NodeUserbut it just won't connect to anything05:10
lavigjtritium: ah, ok05:10
NodeUsernot even another computer on my lan using it's ip05:10
NodeUseri can't ping my gateway
lavigjtritium: Build-Depends dependency for dosbox cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package type-handling can satisfy version requirements05:11
dudwerent you using the hoary repos on warty lavigj?05:11
NodeUser"destination host unreachable"05:11
lavigjtritium: is there a way to do this without switching to hoary?05:11
NodeUseror something like that05:11
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lavigjdud: I only have deb-src hoary universe05:11
dudlavigj, doesnt dosbox have rpm's?05:11
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lavigjdud: probably, but what about dependecies?05:11
tritiumdan_, did you dist-upgrade to Hoary?  could be polypaudio05:11
NodeUseranyone have a clue about what's going on?05:12
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tritiumlavigj, it depends.05:12
NodeUserit worked fine with debian sid05:12
dudlavigj, get the warty dependencies perhaps05:12
tritiumHow many packages could not be installed?05:12
dan_indeed, I did, tritium05:12
lavigjdud: I already have those I think, since I had dosbox installed once05:12
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lavigjtritium: libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-sound1.2-dev libasound2-dev alsa-headers type-handling (>= 0.2.1)05:12
dudNodeUser, its hard to help you with so many people wanting help at the same time... and you arent being too specific05:12
dan_$ ps x | grep poly05:13
dan_ 8214 ?        Ss     0:30 /usr/bin/polypaudio05:13
tritiumor pgrep poly05:13
tritiumlavigj, that's looking like it's going to get a little too complicated to be worth it05:13
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=== dan_ wonders what's better about polyaudio over esound
lavigjtritium: quite possibly, I am goign to check what other things need sdl though05:14
Seqdoes anybody know what could cause openoffice to hang when opening a .doc in hoary?05:14
tritiumlavigj, another option might be to install the build-deps for dosbox, but then build the .tar.gz from sourceforge from source05:14
JDahlSeq, for any other app, I would've suggested you just strace it05:15
OrangeSlicethe fact that it's a .doc? :p05:15
tritiumdan_, better design, technically, but a bit buggier right now05:15
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mebaran151how do you change the font a gtk1.2 app uses05:15
mebaran151or what font gtk1.2 usually uses05:15
mebaran151any special files05:15
SeqJDahl: I'm at the point where I'm just thinking its easier to install abiword05:15
lavigjtritium: ok. I will explore my options. I could just be patient for hoary too05:15
davedormlotsa people here05:15
tritiumlavigj, what do you use dosbox for, if I may ask?05:16
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Seqtritium: its awesome for playing old games :)05:16
tritiumSeq, oh, okay05:16
tritiumwhat ever happened to dosemu?05:16
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lavigjtritium: I have an old copy of Xcom Apocalypse I am trying to get to work.05:17
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tritiumlavigj, I see.05:17
lavigjtritium: dosemu kinda died, if I recall correctly. dosbox is very good, I just want to try a feature in >=.62 and .61 is all warty has05:17
mebaran151because my xmms fonts are ugly05:17
tritiumI see.05:17
mebaran151and so are my mplayer fonts05:17
mebaran151well not the font they use05:18
mebaran151but in the little right click menus05:18
tritiumgtk1.2 fonts are fairly ugly in general05:18
dan_tritium, do rhythmbox and polyaudio get along? is rhythmbox supposed to work in hoary?05:18
mebaran151but these are ridiculous05:18
mebaran151I mean they are shredded05:18
TetrisMasterman, linux just isnt made for good computers i guess...05:18
mebaran151everything should be gtk2 by law05:18
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Seqmebaran151: you could install gtk-theme-switch05:18
mebaran151TetrisMaster, what is your problem05:18
mebaran151I tried that05:18
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Seqmebaran151: i believe that lets you select a theme and font05:18
mebaran151gtk2 changes05:18
mebaran151but gtk1.2 doesnt listen05:19
tritiumdan_, they should, but right now not so well.  try killing and restarting polypaudio every time you log into gnome.  I know it sucks, but it seems to work until it's fixed.05:19
Seqmebaran151: did you run switch or switch205:19
tritiumTetrisMaster, your monitor is old, is it not?05:19
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dan_hmm... "there is no ... audio/mpeg" from rhythmbox05:19
tritiumTetrisMaster, you might need to configure X.org by hand if your monitor is fairly old.05:19
tritiumat least specify the VertRefresh and HorizSync05:20
tritiumdan_, you need gstreamer0.8-mad05:20
TetrisMasteri dont knwo where to get that info at05:20
tritiumTetrisMaster, the specs for your monitor.  Did you try ddcprobe, anyway?05:20
JDahlTetrisMaster, try google for your monitor name + XF86Config05:20
mebaran151Seq, let me check05:21
tritiumTetrisMaster, did you inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log?05:21
membreyatritium: ddcprobe says no vesa extensions found...05:21
membreyaat least for mine05:21
TetrisMastercouldnt get into the system files05:21
tritiummembreya, are you having X problems too?05:21
membreyatritium: only in getting my res to 1280x102405:21
mebaran151membreya, double check your monitor refresh rates05:22
mebaran151mine were sort of borked05:22
tritiummembreya, try specifying your monitor's HorizSync and VertRefresh in xorg.conf05:22
dan_hmm... "Multimedia Systems Selector" hanging...05:22
mebaran151as I have an LCD that requires the horizontal and vertical be some really low number05:22
mebaran151like 5005:22
tritiumTetrisMaster, use sudo05:22
membreyasee...the screen doesnt even change to 1280x1024 nor gives me the option..even tho I've reconfigured xorg05:22
tritiumTetrisMaster, and what of ddcprobe?05:23
TetrisMasteri cannot use sudo, when i ctrl-alt-f1 i cant do anything just says errors of all kinds05:23
tritiumlike what?05:23
mebaran151I dont get a positive result for ddcprobe05:23
mebaran151and my X goes fine05:23
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tritiummebaran151, you probably have at least sane rates05:23
TetrisMasterumm, all kinds of stuff05:23
membreyaso what are you supposed to do when ddcprobe says VESA BIOS Extensions not detected ?05:24
tritiummembreya, specify your monitor's refresh rates05:24
danielsmembreya: you're running amd64, right?05:24
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membreyadaniels: yup05:24
danielsyeah, no autodetection there05:24
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membreyastand your ground tritium he doesn't have his @ :P05:25
membreyabut thankyou daniels :)05:25
danielsheh.  no worries.05:25
tritiummembreya, he's the man05:25
mebaran151tritium, they didnt look sane05:25
tritiumso I shut up and listen05:25
membreyahe's the man when he has the @ :P05:25
danielsso if you put just the resolution in xorg.conf it should be fine; you won't need HorizSync or VertRefresh in there05:25
danielsif you delete HorizSync and VertRefresh, you should get the full range of resolutions05:25
danielsx can work it out on amd64, but ddcprobe can't05:26
membreyasweet :)05:26
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tritiumsee, I was quite incorrect05:26
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danielsmebaran151: the resolution rates typically don't look sane, but they will work on every monitor ever (looking beautiful is a secondary consideration to always being able to display something)05:26
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mebaran151daniels, heh05:27
mebaran151I meant05:27
mebaran151my monitor05:27
mebaran151has not sane rates05:27
mebaran151way low05:27
mebaran151I love it05:27
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mebaran151it is an early LCD panel05:27
mebaran151from like 97 it would be now05:27
membreyacrt forever!05:27
membreyamy monitor is 2 ft deep by 4 ft wide... I don't care about saving space :P05:28
membreyamy desk even05:28
membreyadher Adam05:28
membreyadamn just waking up05:28
tritiumthanks for the info daniels05:28
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pussfellerwhat ya got a tv05:29
sleswhy does mount src.img mnt/src -o loop not work in ubuntu?????05:29
slesthere is no loop device05:30
slesI have never bumped in to a linux that did not???05:30
danielssles: works fine for me05:30
dud'modprobe loop' sles05:30
danielsmebaran151: oh, heh.  the native resolution of most LCDs is 60Hz, but don't read anything into that :)05:31
jason^so if I upgrade my kernel do I need to modify my menu.lst?05:31
jason^I'm moving to hoary05:31
danielstritium: no worries05:31
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slesok cool thanks!05:32
membreyait's a meta resolution!05:32
danielsmembreya: meta resolution?05:32
tritiumjason^, it should be done for you by the package's postinst scripts05:32
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tritiumjason^, i.e., it runs update-grub05:33
membreyalol meaning that the screen is at 1152x864...but the display is still 1024x768..meaning that I have to scroll my mouse to see the entire screen05:33
membreyafixed it :)05:33
membreyajust changed my refresh rate05:33
membreyaand now everything is at 1152x86405:33
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membreyait's not quite the 1280x1024 that I wanted...but it's bigger so my screen is not as cluttered05:34
membreyathanks daniels :)05:34
membreyaalways good to see aussie talent out there :D05:34
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tritiumI hope it's safe to dive into python...I think I'll give it a try.05:35
NodeUseri'm back05:35
geppyWhat can I use to unzip .bin files?05:35
NodeUseri've tried everything i can imagine05:35
NodeUsermy network is configured05:35
speelyou dont unzip binary files well depends whats is it?05:35
NodeUserbut my comp won't connect to it05:35
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NodeUsercan anyone help me?05:35
geppyspeel:  it's the firmware for my linksys router05:36
geppyspeel:  it doens't work as-is, and the instructions say to open it in winzip05:36
membreyatritium: tvtime ;)05:36
speelahh ok good i have the same router go to and log in05:36
tritiummembreya, I'm building a PVR.05:36
geppyspeel: done05:36
membreyaPVR? :|05:37
speelok now click on administration05:37
tritiummembreya, yeah, like TiVo05:37
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tritiumbut better...05:37
geppyspeel:  Mine doesn't have that.  I don't think we have the same router05:37
membreyaooooooooooooh :)05:37
NodeUsermy network has been configured: /etc/network/interfaces05:37
geppyspeel: mine is the BEFSR4105:37
speellol same here05:38
geppyspeel:  You sure?05:38
NodeUserit looks configured properly when i ifconfig -a05:38
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geppyspeel:  well, I'll just assume that you meant "advanced", rather than "administration"05:38
geppyspeel: what now?05:38
tritiummembreya, thanks to mdz's excellent mythtv packages ;)05:38
NodeUserhowever, i can't even ping my router05:38
speeldo you see anything that says firmware upgrade05:39
geppyspeel:  oh, yeah.  under help05:39
membreyatritium: ...damn nerds and their toys05:39
geppyspeel:  hmph, requires IE 5.0.  I'm sure as hell not installing that on my box,  I'll just go play on a local winboxen05:39
speelwell once you get there just click browse find the iso then click upgrade05:39
geppyspeel:  thanks!05:39
tritiummembreya, heh05:39
speelany time05:39
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NodeUserubuntu is the worst distro i've used... at least the otherones work when installed05:41
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tritiumNodeUser, it's based on debian.  So you think debian is that bad?05:41
NodeUserdebian sid worked fine for me05:41
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NodeUseri can't even connect to the internet05:42
tritiumNodeUser, ubuntu works fine too05:42
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NodeUsercan anyone help me with my network05:43
NodeUsereth0 is configured05:43
tritiumNodeUser, what chipset?05:43
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tritiumdan_, did you kill and restart polypaudio after logging into gnome?05:44
NodeUserit uses tulip or natsemi05:44
NodeUsereither work05:44
tritiumNodeUser, which module is being loaded?05:44
tritiumlsmod confirms this?05:45
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bur[n] erNodeUser: can you ping local pcs?05:46
bur[n] er192.168.x.x05:46
dan_ah... forgot that clue, tritium ...05:46
NodeUseri can't ping anything but localhost05:46
bur[n] erNodeUser: set the route?05:46
tritiumNodeUser, what's the IP?  How is it assigned?05:46
bur[n] eror using dhcp?05:46
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NodeUserip: assigned in /etc/network/interfaces05:46
NodeUseras static05:47
speelhey quick question i have some ports i dont want open any way to close em?05:47
bur[n] ergateway set in /etc/network/interfaces?05:47
bur[n] erspeel: close the service that runs on it05:47
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NodeUserhow do i set the route?05:47
tritiumnetmask set?05:47
bur[n] eru don't need to if you set gateway in /etc/network/interfaces05:47
bur[n] erethernet plugged in? ;)05:48
speelyea but i have 111 open and it says rpcbind uses it05:48
dan_restarted polypaudio... "Multimedia Systems Selector" hangs now, tritium05:48
NodeUserof course 8-)05:48
bur[n] erlights on router? ;)05:48
tritiumdan_, :(05:48
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tritiumdan_, give it time ?05:49
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bur[n] erNodeUser: sudo ifdown eth0; sudo dhclient eth005:49
bur[n] er(worth a shot)05:49
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dan_I think my problem is below polypaudio. I can't get aplay foo.wav to work (after killing polypaudio)05:50
dan_ugh... gnome volume control won't start05:51
NodeUserdidn't work... plus my network doesn't have dhcp configured05:51
dan_libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with i05:51
dan_d /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1106_31805:51
marcin_antNodeUser: sudo mii-diag and sudo mii-tool?05:51
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marcin_antNodeUser: and maybe you should take a look at you router logs05:53
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El_Presidentesorry for that stupid question but how do i set the root password when i installed ubuntu?05:53
dan_gnome volume control came up, after about 3 minutes05:54
tritiumEl_Presidente, most people don't, and use sudo instead.05:54
bur[n] erNodeUser: i'm out of ideas ;)05:54
tritiumNodeUser, have you inspected the log files in /var/log?05:54
El_Presidentebut sudo will ask for a password too05:54
tritiumEl_Presidente, yes, yours.05:54
dan_(i.e not root's)05:54
NodeUsermii-dia and mii-tool say everything is ok05:54
El_Presidentei wasnt asked for one just for my users05:55
membreyayou can get it so that it doesn't :)05:55
NodeUser"link ok"05:55
tritiumEl_Presidente, right.  The first user added to the system is a sudoer05:55
El_Presidentei see05:55
bur[n] ersudo passwd works well too05:55
El_Presidentewill try :)05:55
tritiumbur[n] er, yeah05:55
membreyai configured my system so it stops asking me for the damned sudo password :P05:56
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NodeUseri checked the log files...05:56
membreyammm food05:56
NodeUserit looks like everything is ok05:56
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NodeUserit says that the connection timed out05:56
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El_Presidentei tried to install ssh now05:57
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El_Presidentebut when i want to start the deamon it says no hostkeys created05:58
ZotnixMmmm... wordpress 1.5 is so nice.05:58
tritiumI wonder if that requires a dpkg-reconfigure, El_Presidente05:58
bur[n] erhttp://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8e-4f30-8245-9e368d3cdb5a&displaylang=en05:58
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bur[n] ersorry ;)05:58
marcin_antNodeUser: IMHO you should look at logs on your router - maybe your firewall doesn't allow you to connect05:59
mebaran151Linux has an Audio Swamp05:59
membreyayou die bur[n] er ...you burn in hell and you die!05:59
da_bon_bonhi all05:59
bur[n] erlol05:59
tritiumhi da_bon_bon05:59
bur[n] ermembreya: i gotta get paid somehow ;)05:59
marcin_antNodeUser: maybe you had something with mac address on your sid that you don't have on ubuntu (?)05:59
da_bon_bonthe freenet6 package in the hoary repos is the same as this - http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=download&PHPSESSID=698e8ef20e386e3b3139a2197f6b5994 ??05:59
da_bon_bontritium: hi05:59
membreyabur[n] er: lol :P05:59
da_bon_bontritium: hoary is not quite getting updated nowadays, huh tritium ?06:00
El_Presidentetritium, i did that06:00
El_Presidentedidnt work06:00
NodeUsermy router is a linux box06:00
tritiumda_bon_bon, I still don't know what you've been talking about regarding gnome-panel icons06:00
El_Presidentei cant start sshd06:00
NodeUserand i can't ping from either06:00
membreyada_bon_bon: I get updates daily :P06:00
NodeUsermac address?06:00
tritiumEl_Presidente, sudo ssh-keygen?06:00
El_Presidentewil try06:00
tritiumEl_Presidente, maybe read the manpage first06:01
tritiumda_bon_bon, no, not as often06:01
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da_bon_bontritium: even i dont know - it was a prvlwm while adding and i dunno howz it related to icons at all - tho the gnome palnel maintainer says that it was something about icons06:01
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da_bon_bonmembreya: fuck off06:01
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tritiumda_bon_bon, it's okay.  He's just joking around.06:02
membreyada_bon_bon: profanities are for 12 year olds and simpletons06:02
marcin_antNodeUser: ok then what you got in your routers logs when you try to ping rotuter from client?06:02
membreyawhich are you?06:02
da_bon_bonmembreya: please understand that what i meant was that there are no more updates as frequesntly as there were before06:02
da_bon_bonmembreya: so u think :P06:02
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membreyahehe :P06:02
marcin_antNodeUser: nothing or maybe firewall on router rejects imcp?06:02
membreyada_bon_bon: ..agreed...it used to be my synaptic updates I would need to scroll through...now there's only 2 or 3 a day....06:03
da_bon_bonso, my question - is the freenet6 package in repos the same as the freenetproject ?06:03
membreyanot necessarily a bad sign06:03
El_Presidentetritium, arent these keys generated automatically??06:03
da_bon_bona good sign, i'd say, membreya06:03
El_Presidentebecause this is the first time i have to do that on my own06:03
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tritiumEl_Presidente, they should be, yes06:03
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da_bon_bonanyone uses kaffe and gnu classpath here completely, instead of the normal sun ones ?06:05
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El_Presidentetritium, now it works strange i reinstalled it06:06
tritiumEl_Presidente, yeah, quite strange06:06
El_Presidentety :)06:06
tritiummembreya, what was that second slap for?06:08
tritiumone was enough, for sure06:08
dan_ugh! I can't figure out what's going on with my sound setup!06:08
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tritiumdan_, sorry...06:09
El_Presidentetritium, another thing how can i remove complete X11 and gnome?06:09
da_bon_bondan_: polypaudio ?06:09
da_bon_bonEl_Presidente: apt-get remove xserver-xorg gnome*06:09
El_Presidenteah tx06:09
da_bon_bonxserver-xfree86 if on warty06:09
El_Presidenteyep i am06:09
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dan_polypaudio might be part of the problem, da_bon_bon, but I can't get stuff like aplay to work. I think my problem is below polypaudio06:10
qlo-xaeltritium, i am installing the newer kernel and headers now, do i need to uninstall the old myself or is that automated?06:10
tritiumqlo-xael, automated06:10
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El_Presidentewell this is a server and no workstation so thank you ;)06:10
dan_I think the problems started when I booted a 2.6.10 kernel06:10
dan_maybe I'll revert...06:10
ElsidoxHello im running hoary and i cant seem to get mp3s to play. Lame is installed. Everything worked fine but after i rebooted mp3s wont play06:10
qlo-xaelwell thats quite nice06:10
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da_bon_bondan_: hoary ? have u install ubuntu-desktop ?06:11
Elsidoxcan anyone help?06:11
da_bon_bontritium: i dont think the old ones are /removed/ ..06:11
tritiumda_bon_bon, it depends.  If it's the same version, it is.06:12
dan_yes, hoary... I think I installed ubuntu-desktop; rather: I think I upgraded it from warty06:12
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dan_wish me luck... rebooting with 2.6.8 ...06:12
da_bon_bontritium: right.06:12
da_bon_bondan_: install 2.6.1106:12
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Elsidoxanyone at all? Help. Playing mp3s06:13
da_bon_boni am currently install 2.6.11 - any warnings / suggestions ?06:13
tritiumno linux-restricted-modules are available for 2.6.1106:13
da_bon_bonhow would that affect ?06:14
tritiumyou won't be able to use nvidia or ati drivers with that kernel06:14
da_bon_bonno problems06:14
da_bon_bonno nvidia or ati here06:14
tritiumyou might be fine, then.  No madwifi?06:15
da_bon_bonhow else does restricted modules help ?06:15
tritiumI forget what else is in l-r-m06:15
da_bon_bonno wifi at all06:15
qlo-xaelso tritium, where will the headers be located?06:15
membreyatritium: the second slap was for telling El_Presidente to read man pages ;)06:15
tritiumqlo-xael, I don't recall, since I haven't installed in a while.  dpgk -L will show you06:16
qlo-xaelalright, gonna restart make sure everything is right06:16
qlo-xaelthanks much06:16
tritiummembreya, I first told him what to try, but since it was a guess, cautioned him to read the manpage first.06:16
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membreyatritium: ;) :P06:16
tritiumEl_Presidente knew I was trying to help06:16
El_Presidentewell i thank you tritium06:16
El_Presidentemany would have said what membreya said06:17
tritiumEl_Presidente, it's no problem.  I hope you didn't think I was running you off, telling you to read up06:17
ElsidoxHello. Can anyone help me I cant seem to play mp3s. I use to but after I started my comp up today i cant play mp3s anymore. Sound does work thow.06:17
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membreyatritium: don't stress it ..half the answers (if i know them) are web pages I give people :P lol ....but since I've only been using linux and ubuntu for 2 weeks I'm still learning at a rapid rate06:17
tritiumElsidox, did you dist-upgrade Hoary?06:17
tritiummembreya, :)06:17
Chipzzis there an archive anywhere where I can get older hoary packages?06:18
Elsidoxtritium, ive been useing hoary for a while06:18
da_bon_bonElsidox: can u hear gnome system sounds ?06:18
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, yes06:18
tritiumElsidox, polypaudio replaced esound recently, and has given some trouble06:18
da_bon_bonElsidox: say, when u click on app. u hear the drum sound THAK ?06:18
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, yes06:19
da_bon_bonElsidox: which prog. u use to play the mp3s ?06:19
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, which isnt a pleasent sound lol06:19
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, muine06:19
ChipzzI need linux-source-2.6.11 version 2.6.11-0.1, but only 2.6.11-0.2 is available in the archives06:19
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, ive tryed other players and they wont play the mp3s either06:19
tritiumPoor CarlK's gf's computer loops the bongo sounds :(06:20
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Elsidoxlol why do they have such ugly colors icons and sounds06:20
dan_ok, reverting kernels restored sound.06:20
tritiumdan_, wow06:20
dan_I guess an AMD Sempron is not a k7?06:20
tritiumdan_, to which version?06:20
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, huh lol? Im newish to linux06:20
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dan_Linux version
Chipzzno archives available? :s06:21
da_bon_bonElsidox: only mp3s or other files too have problems ?06:21
Lathiat2Hi Guys -- I'm running the latest hoary -- anyone know how i can debug why icons for my firewire disk dont come up most of the time in computer or drivemount (they do sometimes but)06:21
jdubChipzz: http://morgue.ubuntu.com/06:21
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, i dont have any other audio files besides mp3s06:21
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, should i try playing an avi file?06:21
El_Presidentedan_, that really depends if you have one up to 3000+ its a k706:21
jdubChipzz: you want to downgrade from a security release?06:21
dan_model name      : AMD Sempron(tm)   2500+06:22
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Chipzzjdub: that kernel broke nvidia module compiling06:22
da_bon_bonElsidox: yes.06:22
El_Presidentewell why dont you look at /proc/cpu06:22
Chipzzit removed drm_agp_t06:22
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, cant play avi either06:22
El_Presidenteto be 100% sure06:22
da_bon_bonElsidox: what error msg ?06:22
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, Totem could not play 'file:///home/ej/Documents/Video/The Broken/01: enter thebroken.avi'06:23
Chipzzjdub: the kernel I'm running now is 2.6.10 anyway06:23
El_Presidentedan_, sorry /proc/cpuinfo06:23
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, Could not open resource for writing.06:23
Chipzzjdub: but thx for the url :)06:23
da_bon_bonElsidox: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:23
dan_El_Presidente, /proc/cpuinfo shows AMD Sempron(tm)   2500+. Should that qualify as a k7?06:23
El_Presidentewith that numbers dan_ you should be able to determine if its a k7 or k806:23
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, hmm ive gone threw that maybe ill redo it and it will work06:23
El_Presidentewell google for steppings06:23
dan_i.e. should it work with the -k7 kernels?06:24
El_Presidentebut im nealry 100% sure that 2500+ is a k706:24
HiddenWolfdan_ that should work on k706:24
tritiumElsidox, what are you trying to play mp3s with?  Do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?06:24
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da_bon_bonElsidox: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html06:24
Elsidoxtritium, yes its installed06:25
dan_hmm... so maybe -386 vs -k7 is irrelevant. I just know works and 2.6.11-1-k7 doesn't: no sound, random crashes.06:25
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da_bon_bonwhat is the name of the white babe on the ubuntu three-human*beings-linked-together logo ?06:25
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, brb ill try that06:25
jdubda_bon_bon: ailene06:26
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El_Presidentedan_, why dont you use 2.6.10?06:26
membreyagnomemeeting is the only way to accept webcam correct?06:26
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El_Presidenteand compile it self06:27
tritiummembreya, mythtv can do videoconferencing, apparently.06:27
membreyadoes anyone here use gnomemeeting06:27
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Elsidoxda_bon_bon, nope still doesnt work06:27
helio7jdub you know the people that posed for that shot?06:27
jdubi haven't met them06:27
dan_well, my troubles started when I upgraded from 2.6.8 to 2.6.10, El_Presidente06:28
dan_mythtv does videoconferencing? interesting06:28
helio7just curious how did you know her name?06:28
sleshey are system sounds not supposed to play when you listent to xmms???06:28
tritiumdan_, mythphone06:28
zenroxsles,  yep06:28
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zenroxsles, om ya thay can play whele you listen to music06:29
Elsidoxda_bon_bon,  any ideas?06:29
da_bon_bonjdub: how do ya know ?06:29
da_bon_bonElsidox: worked ?06:29
sleszerox: i can help you with your speech...06:30
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, nope. heh06:30
tritiumdoes da_bon_bon have a crush?06:30
da_bon_bontritium: nah, she looks good...06:30
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zenroxsles,  how so i have bine like this for years06:31
Elsidoxda_bon_bon, well thx for trying. peace06:32
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sleszenrox: ok fine... fanx for thrying...06:33
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sleszenrox: hey I have xmms using esd and gaim doeas not play the sounds06:33
zenroxsles, do you have esd enabled in gaim06:33
da_bon_bonsles: in gaim prefs. sound dont set auto - set ESD06:34
da_bon_bonOOo2.0-devel hangs while creating pdf files ?06:34
tritiumgood night all06:34
zenroxnight tritium06:34
da_bon_bontritium: night06:34
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membreyadoes anyone here have gnomemeeting.. I want to test if it's working ok on my computer06:34
da_bon_boni do06:35
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membreyada_bon_bon: see if you can callto://membreya@optusnet.com.au@
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slesmembreya: why do you not use skype? it auto cinfigures and works its way through firewalls...06:36
slesall on its own06:36
cg0defdoes anyone know how to install the ati binary drivers?06:36
slesand it is encrypted06:36
slesI use it all the time for private calls at the office06:37
membreyacos I don't want to have to get my ex to install anything she doesn't need to06:37
membreyaI only have gaim and gnomemeeting06:37
slesskype is free at skype.com06:37
da_bon_bonmembreya: doesnt work06:37
|QuaD-skype = closed source06:37
slesfor linux, windoes and mac06:37
membreyaI setup port forwarding on the router06:38
membreyaoh well :(06:38
sles|QuaD- so what I just want to use it... im not a programmer06:38
|QuaD-sles: heh, i don't like propietary things.... i have one nonfree piece of software on my computer06:39
El_Presidentei want to install ncurses-devel but apt-get says it isnt there (i want to make my kernel)06:39
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qlo-xaelagh!!! why does ubuntu hate me?06:39
FASTSarah Polley .... SelmaBeowulf & Grendel (2005)06:39
helio7which is the one closed source app you have |QuaD-?06:40
membreyaqlo-xael: it can tell you're scared06:40
|QuaD-helio7: nvidia drivers06:40
qlo-xaelmembreya, i came from slackware06:40
qlo-xaeli had more devices work out of the box in slackware than ubuntu06:40
helio7ahh nice... hmm I wonder what else I may have installed that's proprietary...06:40
qlo-xaeli just installed the kernel image and headers and it doesnt work06:41
GammaRayEl_Presidente: try libncurses5-dev06:41
qlo-xaelubuntu's own packages!06:41
El_PresidenteGammaRay, yes i found that too ty :)06:41
qlo-xaeli had more luck making kernels from scratch in slack06:41
da_bon_bonbye all06:41
qlo-xaelwhat is going on here?06:41
|QuaD-helio7: heh, no point in propietary crap06:41
GammaRayEl_Presidente: I found it w/ apt-cache search ncurses-dev06:41
El_PresidenteGammaRay, ah i see06:41
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helio7I think I downloaded realplayer to get bbc radio streams... but I agree with you completely; the opensource/gnu phiolosophy was most of what drew me to linux in the first place06:42
sleshelio7: just use what works for you...06:42
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|QuaD-sles: when there are decent free alternatives, why use a non-free version?06:43
sleshelio7: OSS is good in the long run but when the apps dont measure up...06:43
sles|QuaD-: skype is free06:44
|QuaD-sles: they mostly do though06:44
sles|QuaD-: you are right06:44
GammaRaywell now your gonna have to say how gnome-meeting does not measure up...06:44
|QuaD-sles: skype is free as in beer, not free as in....06:44
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sles|QuaD-: they mostly do06:44
|QuaD-what comes after free as in beer... i forget06:44
sles|QuaD-: not allways06:44
helio7free as in freedom |QuaD-06:44
|QuaD-sles: gnomemeeting is as good as skype06:44
GammaRayfree as in Freedom06:44
|QuaD-helio7: thats right :)06:45
kahaafter free beer comes noxious beerfarts06:45
helio7rofl kaha06:45
kaha's true...06:45
|QuaD-sles: by supporting non-free software, you just encourage it06:46
lappyhi.  i wanna give ubuntu a shot.  what is the version of kde libraries in latest ubuntu?06:46
|QuaD-going to be 3.4 soon06:46
GammaRaylappy: offically? none.06:46
helio7lappy in the latest ubuntu or the latest "stable" ubuntu?06:46
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zenroxwarty = stable06:47
|QuaD-its close enough06:47
GammaRaylappy: in the repositories.. whatever they say06:47
zenroxhoary =latest06:47
kahaworks for me06:47
|QuaD-lappy: are you a debian user?06:47
lappywhatabout kernel version?06:47
lappymandrake. i just installed debian. but its too outdated06:47
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lappyi use mandrake 10.1.06:48
|QuaD-lappy: too outdated?06:48
kahathat's why everybody's using Sarge  :P06:48
lappydebian has kde 2.206:48
zenroxlappy go look at www.distrowatch.org (is that right)06:48
|QuaD-lappy: which version of debian did you try?06:48
lappythats 3.0 rc406:48
|QuaD-lappy: thats why06:48
|QuaD-stable is 3 years old06:48
|QuaD-unstable has 3.306:48
lappyso, whats recommended? testing?06:48
lappy|QuaD-, u use debian unstable version?06:49
membreyasles: does skype allow webcams?!06:50
|QuaD-lappy: i used it until i moved to ubuntu06:50
slesmemebreya: i do not know...06:50
|QuaD-membreya: last i checked no06:50
kahaI used unstable, then a couple years of gentoo, now I really love ubuntu.  :)06:50
lappyok. then.  here is another question.  how old is the "stable" ubuntu as compared to the latest ubuntu06:50
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membreyauseless tip!06:50
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|QuaD-lappy: ubuntu is current as of october06:51
GammaRaylappy: 6 months at the most06:51
zenroxmembreya,  but skype can use voip06:51
GammaRaylappy: it follows gnome's release dates06:51
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membreyazenrox: but my original question...to which sles answered with skype..is what program is best for webcam06:52
lappyGammaRay, so default wm in ubuntu is gnome then? and kde can be installed separately if necessary06:52
GammaRaylappy: it can06:52
|QuaD-lappy: i am running kde06:53
GammaRaylappy: but kde is not on the cd06:53
kahahe said Jehovah  :/06:53
calamariquad: when you exit kde apps do you get a sigsegv?06:53
lappyGammaRay, but gnome is. correct?06:53
zenroxmembreya, to bad i dont have a webcam just casue id have an awser for you06:53
GammaRaylappy: it can be gotten from the "universe" repository06:53
|QuaD-calamari: nope06:53
GammaRaylappy: yea06:53
lappyi can live with that.06:53
calamariquad: hmm weird.. maybe because I just have the libs and not the full kde06:53
|QuaD-lappy: are you on a broadband connection?06:53
|QuaD-calamari: i used to have just the libs06:54
|QuaD-lappy: apt-get is amazing, doesn't matter whats on the cd06:54
lappyalso, is there a short description of what ubuntu comes bundled with? i am looking on the ubuntu website but no luck yet06:54
|QuaD-lappy: just about everything you need is available throuhg apt06:55
GammaRay(let it be said that urpmi is just as nice as apt)06:55
|QuaD-GammaRay: i used mandrake a bunch of years back... i wasn't as impressed06:56
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lappyok final question.  what do i download? warty or 4.1006:56
|QuaD-lappy: same thing06:56
lappythey both have the same dates06:56
GammaRaythey are one and the same06:56
lappyoh ok.06:56
lappyand what was the kernel version in 4.10?06:57
GammaRay4.10 is 2004, October06:57
lappyok. cul.06:57
GammaRay.8.1 I think06:57
lappythanks. guys.06:57
zenroxGammaRay,  yep
kahalappy: only thing you might not like in Warty is the 9x ver firefox06:57
GammaRayisn't there a security hole in that version?06:58
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|QuaD-kaha: he shouldn't expect to get bleeding edge in stable06:58
calamariif there were a security hole they'd offer an update package, right?06:58
lappywhat is the difference between live-install and just install iso versions? is live-install the one that downloads packages off the net06:58
kahaand 9x works fine.06:58
|QuaD-lappy: its either live cd or install06:59
|QuaD-no live-install06:59
|QuaD-you want install06:59
|QuaD-i wonder if mepis could be considered "live-install"06:59
lappywhat is the difference?06:59
GammaRaya live cd runs directly off the cd in mem06:59
lappyoh ic.06:59
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GammaRayit's considered sexy to have one07:01
|QuaD-GammaRay: heh07:01
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bur[n] erwhat's it considered if you hack and tweak your own livecd? ;)07:02
zenroxbur[n] er, your hacked ver of a live cd07:02
bur[n] er;)07:03
bur[n] erit's hidden though... ~/.pr0n ;)07:03
|QuaD-any c/c++ guru's here?07:03
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zenroxlol @ bur[n] er07:04
Adrenalif, after using the backports, i upgrade to hoary, will my system...die?07:04
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bluefoxicyis totem supposed to skip on wavs?07:04
bluefoxicytry playing those07:04
bluefoxicythey play07:04
membreyaanyone here using a logitech quickcam express?07:04
bluefoxicyand at the end they play some of the data again07:04
bluefoxicyalso is polypaudio esd supposed to be totally fucked?07:05
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cybanethis input --> sudo CFLAGS="-03" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-03 -felide-constructors \ -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti" ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql \ --enable-assembler --with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-static07:05
cybanegives this error --> sudo: CFLAGS=-03: command not found07:05
cybanewhat am I doing wrong?07:05
|QuaD-what are you trying to do?07:06
bluefoxicycybane:  put the CFLAGS and such before sudo?07:06
bur[n] erAdrenal: trial and error works ;)07:06
|QuaD-cybane: that looks like a makefile07:06
|QuaD-not a command07:06
Adrenalcan i get an approximation of odds?07:07
|QuaD-Adrenal: 50:5007:07
bur[n] ercybane: works for me... you're using bash right?07:08
danielser, may I recommend not compiling mysql?07:08
danielswe have packages of it07:08
Adrenalquad: damn07:08
bur[n] ercybane: try 'sudo su' then run that command07:08
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cybaneI put the sudo after the compiler flags but before the ./configure and now I have a new host of errors07:08
bur[n] ersudo su; CFLAGS="-03" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-0307:08
bur[n] er                  -felide-constructors \ -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti" ./configure07:08
bur[n] er                  --prefix=/usr/local/mysql \ --enable-assembler07:08
lappybtw, do mandrake users find that konqueror loads up slow?07:08
Adrenalmeh, cheerio07:09
bur[n] erwell that paste was shit :\ sorry07:09
bur[n] ermandrake users?07:09
lappyex-mandrake users07:09
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danielsbur[n] er: it won't work; the semicolon will make it wait until su completes07:09
cybanenew host of errors --> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target07:10
cybaneconfigure: WARNING: invalid host type:  --enable-assembler07:10
cybanechecking build system type... configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub  --enable-assembler failed07:10
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bur[n] erdaniels: good call... it's been a long night :\07:12
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|QuaD-"The Vector Linux crew is pleased to announce the release of VectorLinux Soho v5.0 - a feature-rich full-sized Linux Distribution." i wonder what a non full sized linux distribution is07:14
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|QuaD-i wonder if ubuntu is "full sized" :)07:15
helio7maybe dsl?07:15
mystify99where do i get plug-ins for the media player and music player???07:15
|QuaD-hehe, but dsl is still a full distribution07:15
GammaRay|QuaD-: some fit on pretty small sized cds07:15
|QuaD-GammaRay: yeah i know, but how is that not a full sized distribution?07:16
mystify99or where can i get a media player that works like windows media player?07:16
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GammaRaymystify99: I would not wish that upon anyone :-P07:16
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pastyhermithow do I get composite and shadowing in gnome with the new Xorg?07:16
johnnybezakpastyhermit: i saw a link to a guy who'd made a gui prog for that today on footnote07:17
johnnybezakwhats the name of the screen capture tool?07:17
mystify99can anyone help me with the media player that came with ubuntu?07:17
GammaRaymystify99: what do you want to know?07:18
mbp_go ubuntu07:18
johnnybezakpastyhermit: http://www.qdh.org.uk/blog/index.php?/archives/33-X.org-Composite-extention.html#extended07:18
mystify99i try to play simple mp3 format songs on it, and it says i need plug-ins07:18
mystify99where am i supposed to get these plug-ins?07:18
monoxidemystify99, try the website for said media player (whatever you are using)07:18
monoxidesome linux distros fit on a usb disk07:18
pastyhermitjohnnybezak, thanx dude07:18
monoxidebtw, does anyone know a good distro that fits on a usb disk?07:18
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|QuaD-pastyhermit: ifolder?07:19
GammaRaymystify99: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.346970338707:19
johnnybezakpastyhermit: it's a pleasure07:20
GammaRaymystify99: in other words add the universe respository and issue apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad07:20
membreyahmmm I just compiled a quickcam driver...trying to do an insmod of the quickcam.o file and it says invalid module07:20
membreyaany suggestions?07:20
pastyhermit|QuaD-, ifolder.com07:20
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mystify99thanks a bunch!!!07:21
helio7monoxide: what's a usb 'disc'?07:21
|QuaD-is ifolder basically nfs?07:21
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GammaRay|QuaD-: I think it's more akin to an atomatic rsync backup07:22
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membreyalooking at the dmesg... i have the following error message No module found in object07:22
|QuaD-do you need a server for ifolder?07:22
GammaRayright now you do07:23
|QuaD-whats with novell and kickass products07:23
|QuaD-GammaRay: what do you mean "right now"07:23
monoxidehelio7, a usb flash drive, whatever you wanna call it. one of those small USB storage devices07:23
GammaRaythey are working on p2p support07:23
membreyado module files need to be chmod'd at all ?07:23
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helio7oh monoxide well I saw one on sale today for $50 and it was 1GB so I'd recommend the latest Ubuntu Hoary disc for that =P07:24
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pastyhermitwhoa dude07:24
pastyhermitdont I need Xorg?07:24
pastyhermitI have whatever ubuntu comes with07:24
pastyhermitI think its XFree07:24
helio7hehe what size is yours monoxide 128?07:24
monoxidei only have a 128MB disk07:24
monoxidebut is that $US50?07:24
helio7yeah USD 5007:25
helio7monoxide have you looked at Damn Small Linux I think it's like 50 or 60mb07:25
monoxidethat probably about AU150... :P07:26
monoxideby the time it gets over here07:26
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monoxideno, i havnt really looked much. but im thinking of getting knoppix as a bootup solution07:27
monoxideor maybe the ubuntu live cd07:28
chestyI'm not sure if this is known or not, seems likely. if I open 2 terminals in a workspace, maximise one, minimise the other, you can't access the minimised one via the panel (hoary)07:28
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helio7oh so I got about 5 more ubuntu machines set up for my school (elementary school) today... I'm trying to decide whether to keep gnome or goto fluxbox or something as many of them are like older 333mhz machines... I'm not sure how to best optimize them for the best performance... they still run but oftentimes at 100% processsor capacity and with several seconds of delay in opening anything07:29
helio7if I were to re-word that into a question I would say, "anyone have good ideas at how to tweak ubuntu for speed/performance on older systems in an educational setting that I may not have thought about?"07:30
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monoxideremove X?07:31
helio7haha monoxide07:31
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monoxidelet them learn how to use a console like the rest of us :P07:32
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umarmungchesty, i don't have that problem, everything works as expected07:32
monoxidethat would really help your cpu usage...07:32
monoxidemy sound just crashed again...07:32
monoxideanyone know where the config file for the sound server and/or ESD are?07:33
monoxidechesty, same. i have 3-4 consoles open before with no problems07:33
monoxideor try alt-tab to change between windows07:33
membreyado module files need to be chmod'd at all ?07:35
mpoolmembreya: should not need it07:36
chestythat's weird then, alt-tab works, but so should unminimising via the task list.07:36
mpoolif you installed them by some reasonable method07:36
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chestyIt works for me when I don't have a maximised window, just not when it's maximised. oh, it's no big deal07:36
membreyahmmm I compiled the logitech quickcam module and I tried to insmod the module and it says Invalid module format....dmesg says No module found in object07:37
kroonwow, xcompmgr+the others seems quite stable in hoary07:37
delltonyalright is it just me or does others have this issue? i looked on bugzilla and didn't see the specifics but here goes. when you go to websites in firefox 1.0 and it has video and plays with mplayer at random all instances of firefox will close without warning07:38
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pastyhermithow do I get my kernel-source07:40
pastyhermitLinux dellbox #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux07:41
dudapt-cache search kernel source | grep 2.6.807:42
pastyhermitcool thanx07:43
pastyhermitsynaptic couldng find it07:43
helio7how many of you are "registered linux users" and register the machines you install on?07:43
pastyhermitno me07:44
pastyhermitand I have done alot with linux :D07:44
pastyhermitjust new to the whole debian thing a little bit07:44
monoxidewhere would the syslog log to?07:44
helio7not to /var/log/ ?07:44
helio7yeah there it is monoxide /var/log/syslog07:45
monoxideyeah, i just found it07:47
monoxidehow likely is it that my sound card is incorrectly configured?07:47
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membreyahmmm I compiled the logitech quickcam module and I tried to insmod the module and it says Invalid module format....dmesg says No module found in object .... anyone have any ideas?07:49
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monoxideanyone have any ideas why when i use OSS, i have 0 problems, but when i try to use ESD, beep crashes every 1-2 songs?07:51
rolando-sanwhats module pcieip and schchp...07:51
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johnnybezakhelio7: not me07:54
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membreyafigured it out ....I needed to insmod the .ko file ....but then it had another error ...but that was fixed be reverting my gcc version to 3.307:54
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membreyahow do you configure modules to load at boot?08:04
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Lizhey..can anyone tell me exactly what movement key does under window preferences ??08:04
Lizive tried it and it doesnt really seem to do anything that i cant do by using the mouse08:04
monoxideanyone have any ideas why when i use OSS, i have 0 problems, but when i try to use ESD, beep crashes every 1-2 songs?08:05
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monoxidemembreya, /etc/modules08:05
helio7what's the drawback to using OSS monoxide? is ESD supposed to be better?08:05
monoxideLiz, just a shortcut key? or maybe for those who dont have a mouse?08:06
membreyaok ....once you've done an insmod do you need to do anything else???08:06
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umarmungLiz, well you can move a window around without clicking the titlebar...08:06
monoxidehelio7, when i use OSS, nothing else can use the sound. gaim wont play sounds when i recieve messages08:06
monoxidemakes it look like im ignoring my friends :P08:07
monoxideand also some programs are crashing at startup and i think its cos they are trying to use ESD08:07
helio7haha you wouldn't want that... you're listening to xmms?08:07
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monoxidei tryied using xmms, that was one of the programs that was dying on startup08:09
monoxideim trying beep-audio-player (a spinoff of xmms) but that has problems as well08:09
helio7monoxide you're in hoary or warty?08:10
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farruinnmonoxide: in my experience beep and xmms don't work well together.08:11
cybaneAnyone here have experience with the latest binary install of MySQL?08:11
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monoxidei only have beep installed08:12
monoxidehelio7, hoary08:12
monoxideit all worked perfectly in warty08:12
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Lizi did tell monoxide to go back and install the warty files...08:14
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monoxidei would really rather not reinstall my system...08:16
cowbudhrmm anyone having issues with Hoary and BadMatch X errors with any browser?08:17
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monoxidenot with firefox08:18
cowbudwell I have it with both firefox and galeon..08:18
cowbudDisable the Composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:19
cowbudand that is what I just recently changed08:19
cowbudgoogle you are my hero08:19
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will_my whole system locks up when Display Power Management is enabled, and the screen goes to sleep anyone have any ideas08:25
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membreyaafter you have done an insmod on a module how do you make sure it's all installed ?08:26
snowblinkmembreya: lsmod08:26
farruinnlsmod | grep [module] 08:26
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membreyaok it's loaded quickcam and videodev08:27
membreyado I just add quickcam to my modules file ?08:27
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kroonah, I lost the nice mouse cursors when upgrading to hoary 8(08:27
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membreyakroon: do you have an X or anything ?08:28
membreyaor you just lost custom ones? :P08:28
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kroonmembreya, I lost the nice default cursors that were in Warty08:28
farruinnmembreya: that's what I would do, echo quickcam >> /etc/modules08:28
membreyaand is there anyway to tell it what dev device to use ? ie I want it to use /dev/video108:29
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farruinnno idea08:30
membreyareboot time :)08:30
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will_how do i cernck whether i am using apm or acpi?08:31
will_check even08:31
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helio7when you boot up if you read the screen it usually says what it's loading, I don't know tht command line shortcut though08:31
monoxidecheck to see if there is an "apm" entry in /etc/modules08:31
helio7voila monoxide's on it08:32
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membreyahmmm weird08:36
delltonyis there a debian package for php-gtk by chance?08:36
membreyadid an insmod...which loaded the module...added it to my modules list and it didnt load..did a modprobe on quickcam and it said module not found..yet I go to the compile directory, insprobe it again and it loads >:\08:37
farruinndelltony: is this what you're looking for? sqlrelay-config-gtk - SQL Relay configuration GTK+ client08:37
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farruinndelltony: I did an apt-cache search php gtk and that seemed to be the closest thing08:38
delltonynah thats not it08:39
|QuaD-how do i make files of just random bites? like i wanna make a 10mb file?08:39
delltonythanksk tough i believe i just needed the php4-dev package08:39
johnnybezakdo most of you guys use gnome as your WM?08:40
farruinnGnome isn't a window manager, it is a desktop environment which uses metacity08:40
farruinnatm I'm using gnome with metacity08:40
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johnnybezakhaha thnx thats what i meant do most of you guys use metacity?08:41
farruinnjohnnybezak: ;)08:41
johnnybezakfarruin: :P08:41
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johnnybezakare there any wysiwyg html editors in the ubuntu sources, i used nvu on the mac, and there is source but its not in the sources08:43
Seq|QuaD-: i think: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/some/file bs=2k count=512008:43
helio7if I'm in hoary can I safely sudo apt-get install gtk ? I need gtk+ 2.0...08:43
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farruinnjohnnybezak: there are instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org for installing nvu, but I don't know if they're applicable to ppc or if you've already seen that.08:43
helio7johnnybezak openoffice has a wysiwyg html editor i think08:44
helio7night all!08:46
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elfhi room i really need someones help08:46
elfsome how the taskbar crashed and i dont know how to get it back...08:46
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farruinnyou can't log out then, right?08:47
cocolis DMA enabled in ubuntu?08:48
elfwell i just restarted the comp cos i thougt that would work but it didnt08:48
delltonyi don't think it is by default mine wasn't08:48
elfnow i have no taskbar08:48
delltonyhdparm -d /dev/hda08:48
delltonyand check08:48
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delltonyif its no then do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda08:48
delltonyor whatever drive you want08:48
cocolis it for me the response?08:49
delltonycocol, yes08:49
delltonythat checks your dma settings08:50
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cocoli want to check if DMA is enabled for hdc08:50
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delltonycocol,  hdparm -d /dev/hdc08:50
cocolok (C)08:50
kakaltoanyone know much about cvscedega?08:50
will_what is the kernel arguement to disable acpi and enable amp?08:50
will_apm sorry08:51
delltonyshould say something like this cocol08:51
delltony using_dma    =  0 (off)08:51
delltonyto turn it on do sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc08:52
delltonythat will change the value to 1 or on08:52
cocolits off08:53
delltonyyeah by default it is off08:54
snowblinkelf: gnome-panel08:54
elfok thanks08:54
elfshot man08:54
elfnow that thats out the way...can anyone tell me why ubuntu is really slow08:55
zenroxelf whats your cpu08:55
elf900 celeron08:55
zenroxand ram08:55
elfnot great but windows ran faster no offense08:56
elf128 ram08:56
zenroxelf try installing prelink08:56
zenroxusing apt-get08:56
zenroxya it prelinks the libarys to programs so thay load a little faster08:57
elfok installin it now08:57
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zenroxit took mozilla-firefox from 30 sec to 15sec08:57
elfand do you find that the internet is slower to?08:57
elfwell my internet is very slow although its a 512 line08:58
zenroxonce its installed you want to do sudo prelink -amvR08:58
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zenroxbut rember that will kill your computer08:58
zenroxso doo it just before you go to bed08:58
elfok well then ill do it just now08:58
zenroxand after every time you install a new program08:58
elfits 9:30 am08:59
will_what is the kernel arguement to disable acpi and enable apm?08:59
zenroxelf its nice08:59
dudnoacpi isnt it?08:59
elfdoes it take long08:59
elfok ill do it tonight then08:59
Seqwill_: noacpi seems to do it, but some howto i saw suggested acpi=off and apm=on as well, just for good measure08:59
zenroxon my box celron 2ghz 512mbs ddr pc2100 ram it does take up to 1hr to compleate09:00
will_thats what i saw somewhere too09:00
elfwhats DMA like that dude was talking about?09:00
will_thanks seq09:00
AmaranthDMA? Direct Memory Access09:00
elfspeeds up the pc?09:00
dudhparm -d1 /dev/hda09:00
Amaranthspeeds up HD access09:00
zenroxno its for cdroms09:00
dudhdparm even09:00
zenroxand hdds thangs on the ide chain09:01
dudits not just for cdrom09:01
Amaranthit's used with video cards too09:01
zenroxi dont need it for my vid card09:01
zenroxthank god09:01
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Amaranthzenrox: I bet it's used for your video card.09:01
elfdma is on09:01
zenroxAmaranth,  but i dont have to enable it09:02
Amaranthno, it's always on :P09:02
zenroxelf also too what kernel are you running09:02
topylielf: you're getting good hints but the truth is that 128M is a bit too little for gnome09:03
zenroxhe is right09:03
elfi duno what kernal09:04
topylielf: no harm improving the situation anyway though :)09:04
dudyeah, go hunting trash containers for another 256MB ram :P09:04
elfi want to get a new pc soon but im thinking of goiung for that mini mac09:04
zenroxyou might want to switch to a diverent wm09:04
topylii have 256 and it's just bearable. going to upgrade to 512 i guess09:05
zenroxelf type uname in the terminal09:05
dudwhen adding a monitor, mouse and kb... mini macs arent so fantastically cheap09:05
dudi have 1gb ram on an athlon64 3000+09:05
dudits quite allright :P09:05
zenroxi have 51209:05
elfit says linux09:05
zenroxand its nice09:05
duduname -r09:05
duduname -a even09:05
topylidud: i guess you can manage with that09:05
zenroxthats it09:05
dudtopyli, it havent skipped a beat yet hehe09:06
Neil3ah ha09:06
Neil3old kernel09:06
Neil3and nasty 386 one09:06
zenroxelf go get the linux-image-
elfis it big?09:06
Neil3elf which cpu do you have?09:06
zenrox15-30 megs09:06
dudget the newest image not the 2.6.8 one09:06
elfceleron 90009:06
elfnot to great but im saving up for better09:07
Neil3yeah just to sudo apt-get install linux-68609:07
dudcelerons are so fucking incredibly crap....09:07
dudit cant be expressed with words09:07
zenroxnot mine09:07
Neil3that will install the newest kernel for you09:07
Neil3and specially compiled for your class of cpu elf09:07
Neil3sudo apt-get install linux-68609:07
dudi had a 2.2Ghz celly before... and I mean... at was so fucking slow I nearly crapped myself09:07
elfu say its big?09:07
Neil3you should get a nice little speed increase out of that09:07
zenroxdud some of that is the mobo09:07
elflol its an old pc09:07
zenroxelf 15-30 megs09:08
elfim getting a new one when i go to USA in april09:08
dudzenrox, its the architecture... cpu/mobo/memory bandwidth09:08
elfok thats fine...i was just scared that id cap09:08
zenroxdud mine is in a p4 board09:08
zenroxelf onec that is installed reboot09:08
topylihmm. the prelink man page describes some scary stuff i don't fully understand. is it safe?09:08
zenroxtopyli,  yes09:08
Neil3topyli, prelink can be undone yes09:09
Neil3if it causes problems09:09
zenroxbut it shouldent09:09
topyliworth trying i guess09:09
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Neil3doesn't here09:09
Neil3works fine09:09
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zenroxme too09:09
Neil3your apps load quicker :)09:09
zenroxa lote quicker09:09
zenroxspecily the big ones09:09
zenroxpan,firefox,xine ,gnome09:10
Neil3especially openoffice09:10
Neil3that hog09:10
zenroxya 256mgs it gets every time it is loaded09:10
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elfshould i install the linux-686 or the linux-686 smp09:10
zenroxsmp = more than 1 cpu09:11
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elfit wont install09:11
zenroxwhy not09:11
zenroxwots it telling you09:11
elf Depends: linux-restricted-modules-686 but it is not going to be installed09:12
topyli"openoffice", "quick". sometimes i dream of uttering those words in a single sentence09:12
elfyes why s openoffice slow?09:12
zenroxelf then do sudo apt-get install linux-686 linux-restricted-modules-68609:13
zenroxlol @ topyli09:13
Neil3zenrox, i believe linux-686 grabs those modules too09:13
topylielf: i guess it's partly because it's multi-platform so the same code is forced to run on all systems09:13
zenroxNeil3,  its not getting them09:13
lordanelf, openoffice wants to work on a variety of systems09:13
Neil3my bad09:13
topylielf: like java09:13
zenroxNeil3,  that will force it to get it09:14
lordanand so they implemented a lot of libs themselves09:14
lordanincluding their own toolkit09:14
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Neil3once you install prelink run ooprelink09:14
topyliyeah, they should just go for gtk :)09:14
Teflon_tonyhello Ubuntu09:14
Neil3that prelinks a lot of openoffice specific stuff09:14
zenroxNeil3,  ooprelink dont work09:15
zenroxits not in my sys09:15
lordantopyli, life would be too good then09:15
zenroxhello Teflon_tony09:15
Neil3sudo /usr/sbin/oooprelink -f09:15
Neil3that will do it09:15
Amaranththere is a version of OpenOffice.org that uses GTK, iirc09:16
zenroxits not in my path thats why09:16
AmaranthXimian makes it09:16
topylilordan: not everybody would be happy then either :)09:16
AmaranthIt looks like a GNOME app, anyway09:16
AmaranthInstead of a shitty Windows ones.09:16
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lordanthat's true.. for instance kde ppl09:16
Teflon_tonyI am totally new to "linux" is ubuntu a good "learner" Linux?09:16
topyliAmaranth: i don't think the ximian version is that different, it's probably mostly looks and other integration stuff09:17
zenroxTeflon_tony,  yes09:17
elfits not working? \09:17
Teflon_tonythat sounds good09:17
Neil3zenrox, did that command work for you?09:17
Neil3with the -f switch?09:17
Teflon_tonyI think I will start the download09:17
lordanthe ximian version merely uses gtk as a "frontend" for uno if I'm not mistaken09:17
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Neil3you might notice openoffice loading a bit quicker09:17
elfthe linux 686 wont download09:18
topyliTeflon_tony: it works too well out of the box. if you want to learn, get a more difficult distro ;)09:18
zenroxelf open snyaptic09:18
zenroxand get it that way09:18
zenroxsearch for linux-68609:18
elfthats how i am doing it09:18
topylielf: linux-image-68609:19
zenroxelf just rember if one way dont work try another09:19
elfyay its working09:19
Teflon_tony<topyli which one then?09:19
Amaranthpersonally i think abiword is a lot better09:19
elfi only know how to use synaptic09:19
lordanAmaranth, couldn't agree more09:19
zenroxAmaranth,  not for every thang09:19
elfwell i gotta go now09:20
zenroxlator elf09:20
elfthatsnk for ALL your help chaps!!!09:20
lordanAnd I like gnumeric more than oocalc09:20
zenroxany time09:20
Amaranthzenrox: If someone ported oo.o's Word code to abiword it would be almost perfect09:20
elfwhats that sudo to enable prelink?\09:20
zenroxAmaranth,  yes09:20
AmaranthBut I use abiword most of the time and oo.o when abiword doesn't work for whatever reason.09:20
topyliTeflon_tony: i'm kidding. ubuntu is perfect. although is true you could learn more on slackware or something. if you can get slack to work you know quite a bit already :)09:20
zenroxelf sudo prelink -amvR09:21
lordanI wish I could like criawips more than oo presentation whatever..09:21
Teflon_tonywill Ubuntu fry my Hard drive09:21
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zenroxTeflon_tony,  no09:21
Teflon_tonyMepis friend my hardrive!09:21
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Teflon_tonyI actually had to go buy a different harddrive after installing Mepis09:22
elftahnks cheers zenrox09:22
Spinaltappgood evening all09:22
Teflon_tonyand it was a brand new HD09:22
lordanTeflon_tony, whatever you do, stay clear of Fedora CoreDump09:22
Teflon_tonyI have heard bad things about it09:22
Spinaltappdoes anyone know if there's a way to play .mpeg files in Ubuntu, or am I just a n00b for asking?09:22
topyliTeflon_tony: even mepis shouldn't do that. perhaps the drive was made on a monday morning09:22
zenroxSpinaltapp, gxine09:23
basculeit is becoming the XP of linux in terms of bloat speed and stability09:23
Teflon_tonybut god was it scary09:23
Teflon_tonyI had had windows installed for a couple of weeks09:23
Teflon_tonyand the drive was fine09:23
Teflon_tonyI tried mepis09:23
lordanFC gives you bad karma, and multiple rebirths09:23
Teflon_tonywithin 2 days09:23
Teflon_tonythe drive madea wierd sound09:23
Teflon_tonyand then it just DIED09:23
Spinaltappzenrox, I have the LiveCD, i don't suppose it comes with it, does it?09:23
Teflon_tonyDead as a doornail09:23
zenroxSpinaltapp,  nope09:23
AmaranthTeflon_tony: I call bad HD. What kind was it?09:24
topyliTeflon_tony's drive, RIP09:24
zenroxSpinaltapp,  then try totum09:24
AmaranthMaxtor drives suck09:24
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zenroxya Teflon_tony  probly bad drive09:24
AmaranthI had 3 die in 6 months.09:24
Teflon_tonysheesh :(09:24
zenroxAmaranth,  i have never had a maxor die in less then 2 years as a ftp drive09:25
topylii'm lucky, i have a 5 year old maxtor, churning quite happily :)09:25
Spinaltappzenrox: nope, totem won't do it for some reason09:25
Amaranthmy 120GB one seems to work fine (only one the store had) but their 40GB and 60GB ones were horrid09:25
Spinaltappi'm not really upset, as I understand it's beacuse i'm running the cd, i was just curious09:25
zenroxSpinaltapp,  hmmm09:25
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lordanspeaking of totem, does anybody have it working with polypaudio?09:25
zenroxlordan me09:26
lordanthat goes for rhythmbox as well09:26
SpinaltappUbuntu doesn't come with Wine either, does it?09:26
Teflon_tonyyeah this was horrid what happened to me09:26
Amaranthlordan: Should work without problems.09:26
topylilordan: i've tried it and it was a success09:26
zenroxlordan,  just tell it to use esd09:26
Teflon_tonybut I think I will give ubuntu a try09:26
lordanzenrox, muine works but the other two don't09:26
Teflon_tonyI am now scared of mepis09:26
Amaranthlordan: polypaudio just replaces esd and that's what gstreamer is set to use.09:26
lordanthat's what I'm doing09:26
AmaranthDoes muine use gstreamer?09:26
topyliAmaranth: i think it's gstreamer too09:27
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topyliAmaranth: i mean it's gstreamer setup that's at fault09:27
Spinaltappis there anything especially cool about Ubuntu that makes it favorable over, say, Mandrake 10.1?09:27
basculestability and synaptic09:27
topyliSpinaltapp: it always has the latest gnome09:28
zenroxSpinaltapp,  biger couminity09:28
AmaranthSpinaltapp: Less bloat. It "Just Works".09:28
basculeand the community, mandrake community is dying09:28
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Spinaltappahh gotcha09:28
zenroxbascule,  i agree09:28
lordanjust double-checked, gstreamer is set to use esd09:28
Teflon_tonymandrake 10 is monsteriously large, its like like 5 or 6 CD's09:28
Teflon_tonyI was looking at it myself09:28
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Teflon_tonybutits just to big09:28
Ramstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:28
Spinaltappyeah i saw that09:28
basculezenrox: they have gone all $$$$s like deadrat09:28
zenroxTeflon_tony, 3 if you just get the d/l version09:28
Teflon_tonyand a LOT of reduntant software09:28
Amaranthlordan: Other people have had and fixed this problem, I think it's on the ubuntu-users mailing list.09:28
lordanso i should be ok, but totem and rb don't09:28
zenroxbascule, yep09:28
zenroxbascule, one of the reasions i left09:29
zenroxsaw a post about ubuntu09:29
lordanAmaranth, will check the archives, thanx09:29
basculeme too, that chan died ...09:29
zenroxand switced that day09:29
Ramstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:29
Spinaltappso once i install Ubuntu on my HD, are there any essential programs I should get that don't come prepackaged?09:29
topyliSpinaltapp: java, browser plugins, some multimedia codecs09:29
basculeSpinaltapp: all the mp3/avi/dvd stuff, but depends what you do on your machine09:29
zenroxSpinaltapp,  yes xine, xmms, dvdcss win32codecs09:30
Spinaltappahh ok09:30
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topyliSpinaltapp: you can find debian packages for most of them09:30
zenroxand some of them are also easy to get and install09:30
AmaranthSpinaltapp: Enable all the extra repositories and install gstreamer-plugins09:30
zenroxSpinaltapp,  take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org09:30
topylijava is perhaps the most wicked09:30
AmaranthAfter that most multimedia stuff should work.09:31
Spinaltappi don't do much... i mess with photoshop a lot, for which i'll have to keep windows around, and I watch dvds, though i assume I can do that with ubuntu. but I went through the other day and pretty much everything else I do is available in linux09:31
Ramstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:31
zenroxthat will show you how to get some of the minor anoyancies set up and fixed09:31
Ramstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:31
Ramstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:31
zenroxsome one kick him09:31
Ramstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:31
Ramstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:31
AmaranthSpinaltapp: With WINE or Crossover Office you can run Photoshop on Ubuntu.09:31
vjazUm... at this point I'd like to ask: Why on earth are there no ops on this channel?09:31
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Spinaltappreally? do either cost anything?09:31
neighborleeRamstein_fan: pervert09:31
topylijust learn gimp09:31
basculeRamstein_fan: it's not doing you ant good I'll tell you that09:32
Amaranthbob2: PING?09:32
Rammstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:32
Teflon_tonyGimp is a great program09:32
Amaranthjdub: PING?09:32
Teflon_tonyI have that on my Mac09:32
Rammstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:32
neighborleeare there no OPS in here ?..come ON people09:32
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Rammstein_fansex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!09:32
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AmaranthHa, I knew I'd find one. :)09:32
AmaranthThanks jdub.09:32
lordanjdub, thanks09:32
neighborleekewl thx jdub09:32
Spinaltappyeah i messed with it a little. i've been using Photoshop for like 4 years though, i know it inside and out and I don't really want to get rid of it09:32
zenroxthx jdub09:32
danielsoh dear09:32
vjazgo jdub09:32
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danielsjdub: good catch09:32
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Dreamer3_Spinaltapp: then get PS for linux09:33
neighborleenice kick LOL09:33
Spinaltappbut i hate pretty much everything else about windows :)09:33
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Teflon_tonyGood show kicking that spammer09:33
AmaranthSpinaltapp: WINE is free, Crossover Office costs $30 (i think) but it's easier to use.09:33
Teflon_tonyI like this channel already :)09:33
Spinaltappyeah that was nice09:33
Dreamer3_Spinaltapp: http://www.adobe.com/photoshop/linux/09:33
AmaranthDreamer3_: I thought that was a closed beta.09:33
zenroxDreamer3_,  thay got it out allready09:33
Dreamer3_Amaranth: there is one? *laughs* i was only playing09:33
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zenroxDreamer3_,  thare is one thay are going to gome out with09:34
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Dreamer3zenrox: wow, about time09:34
Spinaltappi'll probably just keep windows around for PS, plus my family won't want to switch to Linux because they're idiots, so I'll leave XP on there for them09:34
=== Dreamer3 thinks MS should releases Office for Linux
Dreamer3but that would free a lot of companies to move :)09:34
SpinaltappOpenOffice is better anyway09:34
Dreamer3but WAY slower09:34
SpinaltappI use it in windows09:35
zenroxSpinaltapp,  but rember if thay used linux your pc wont get as much crap on it09:35
Dreamer3word opens in like <1 second, and OO takes 5-10, what's up? :)09:35
Spinaltappi freakin LOVE open source software though...09:35
topyliSpinaltapp: also if you have lots of windows games you like you'll want to keep windows around09:35
SpinaltappGaim kicks major ass, no spyware09:35
Teflon_tonyMS will NEVER release Office for Linux09:35
Teflon_tonyits a losing proposition for them09:35
Dreamer3Teflon_tony: after windows loses dominance they might09:35
Spinaltappactually i pretty much don't game at all, which is a big factor in my decision to switch09:35
Teflon_tonyThen perhaps09:35
Dreamer3Teflon_tony: of course by then it may be too late09:35
topyliTeflon_tony: yeah, windows would die09:35
basculeDreamer3: cause like IE office is tied to the shell, hence the office exploits as well as the Interne Exploiter ones09:35
Spinaltappi use Autocad for work and school, so i'll need the linux version of that09:36
vjazDreamer3, Doesn't MS Office use some background process which loads most of Office at system startup?09:36
zenroxtopyli,  a small fraction will install native in linux another %age will run with wine09:36
basculesucky security but fast startup, take your pick09:36
Dreamer3vjaz: even without that :)09:36
johnnybezakwindows makes office for mac os x09:36
AmaranthOffice is one of their main profit makers. If saw that Windows was going to die out they'd release Office for as many OSes as possible to keep people using it.09:36
Dreamer3vjaz: i always turn off all the auto-office crap :)09:36
Teflon_tonyMac OSX doesn't threaten Windows09:36
Teflon_tonyLinux does09:36
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Dreamer3vjaz: and relaunching word/excel/etc is almost instant... not so for OO09:36
basculeit's a windows extension09:36
SpinaltappHere's a nice linux question for you guys:09:36
Teflon_tonyLinux has the scalability to beat then in the long run09:36
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basculetather than a seperate app, that is how you get the integration09:37
SpinaltappI saw a desktop application called Xpde yesterday that i'd like to use. is that possible with Ubuntu?09:37
zenroxTeflon_tony,  and run on less hardware09:37
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zenroxSpinaltapp,  xpde??09:37
AmaranthWorms Armageddon > *09:37
Teflon_tonythat is why they can't release it on Linux it would kill them09:37
vjazDreamer3, I agree.09:37
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Teflon_tonypeople would migrate to Linux even faster, only licensing Office from them09:37
Teflon_tonyit would kill windows09:37
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Spinaltappit's a desktop interface that mimics windows XP very closely09:38
Dreamer3office isn't the only reason people use windows though :)09:38
zenroxSpinaltapp,  that dont work09:38
Spinaltapponly without sucking09:38
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AmaranthTeflon_tony: For some reason I see them selling their win32 system.09:38
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Dreamer3version 2 of open source products usually really impress me09:38
Spinaltappwww.xpde.com  sorry09:38
AmaranthTeflon_tony: In WinNT, Win2k, and WinXP the win32 API is a seperate layer over the kernel so I bet it'd be possible to port.09:39
PoWHow do I take a screenshot of my desktop in KDE?09:39
zenroxDreamer3, ya casue at the point thay got the basics down then thay ad eye candy09:39
AmaranthImagine them selling it for $200 for Linux. :)09:39
Teflon_tonyOf course its possible to port09:39
Dreamer3zenrox: i don't want eye candy, i just want it to open better and make more sense in a few areas09:39
Teflon_tonyfor gods sakes they ported it Macs which are on a different architechure09:39
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Teflon_tonyIts a matte of shooting themselves in the foot09:39
zenroxSpinaltapp,  yes you can install something liek that thats called a desktopenviroment (like gnome)09:40
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AmaranthTeflon_tony: I'm not saying they'd do it now. I'm saying if Windows drops to below 50% market share.09:40
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zenroxid like to see windows start with new code09:41
zenroxos tho09:41
Teflon_tonyApple is not compition because they are a hardware company, and their computers are locked in, people on the other hand can readily switch to Linux on the same hardware they run their buggy windows, one of the way they keep people who use X86 using windows is via office, if they give up having exclusive office rights on X86, they might as well release the source code and call it a night09:41
wartybah sorry about that09:41
mpqmy mouse doesn't work right09:41
wartyanyway, would the Xpde desktop interface work with Ubuntu?09:41
mpqI'm on a laptop, and the on/off button for the touchpad doesn't work09:42
zenroxwarty,  technaly yes but i ant never played with it09:42
mpqthe light goes on and off but the touchpad stays on09:42
basculeTeflon_tony: you underestimate MSs ability to turn a buck .. :)09:42
Amaranthzenrox: It doesn't need a complete rewrite. They just need to take the drivers back out of the kernel (in NT 3 they weren't in the kernel) and use something like Avalon instead of GDI (that's why Longhorn is there, a transition).09:42
mpqdoes anyone know how to fix it?09:42
Teflon_tonyI see whats your saying, but I also think you underestimate their ablity to guard a virtual monopoly :)09:43
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basculeif it is free, how do you build a better mousetrap?09:43
zenroxAmaranth,  but a compleate rewrite (minus rewriting there kernel) might not be a bad idea tho09:43
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Teflon_tonythey have licensed SCO unix09:44
AmaranthThe NT kernel is actually really good. Also it sounds like some of the people at MS are disappointed that drivers are still running in ring 0 (kernel) in Longhorn.09:44
basculeTeflon_tony: don't open that one up!! :P09:44
Teflon_tonywho knows maybe they will take the a hand from Apple, and build a Unix core based OS09:44
basculethat was a blatant legal fee subsidy09:44
AmaranthSCO Unix is absolutely worthless.09:44
warty_anyway, like i was freaking saying about the Xpde desktop before i kept closing the damn window...09:44
zenroxbsd is much better09:44
lappyhow do i install kde in synaptics?  i search for it in packages but it didnt find anything09:44
Teflon_tonyOk well they could use BSD09:45
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Teflon_tonyall I am saying is maybe they will stop trying to reinvent the wheel09:45
vjazlappy, you need to enable the universe repository09:45
zenroxwarty_,  yes technaly it can but youd have to compile it your self09:45
Teflon_tonyand just go with a *nix09:45
warty_oh boo!09:45
lappyvjaz, how do i do that? please bear with me.  i just finished installing ubuntu for my first time09:45
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basculeTeflon_tony: there is a sig from a slashdot user that says "Give enough time and mioney MS will re-write UNIX"09:45
warty_alright then, i'm out for the night. it's nearly 3am here. class tomorrow...09:45
zenroxbascule,  lol09:45
Dreamer3lappy: have you added world?09:45
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basculeyup, it is going that way09:46
vjazlappy, See Settings->Repositories in Synaptic09:46
AmaranthTeflon_tony: I don't see MS ever moving to something *nix based when they have a kernel written by some of the best people from DEC. :)09:46
Slikehello, how do I make an application shortcut (on my desktop) for a jar-file?09:47
vjazlappy, There should be a disabled archive.ubuntu.com -entry there.09:47
Slikejava is already in my path09:47
vjazlappy, You need to enable that.09:47
AmaranthMaybe a more *nix like userland (longhorn is going to have this with a new shell).09:47
Dreamer3yeah, Windows XP is very solid09:47
lappyvjaz, ok. hangon09:47
topyliSlike: in the command line, write something like 'java -jar /path/to/jar-file'09:47
Dreamer3it's IE/Outlook Express, spyware, registry corruption and other issues that plague windows09:47
lappyvjaz, are u referring to the one that says "universe"?09:48
zenroxDreamer3,  i agree09:48
dudthe problem with windows xp is that its way too playmobile for the power users09:48
zenroxxp is nice once virus writers decide to target linux09:48
Dreamer3dud: huh?09:48
Sliketopyli: i know that....but i'd like to have it started with a simple double-click, is that possible?09:48
AmaranthDreamer3: If it didn't have all the garbage (RPC, etc) and the drivers weren't in the kernel (almost a non-issue with certified drivers) WinXP would be the best OS out there for desktop users.09:48
vjazlappy, yes09:48
lappyvjaz, so i hit the reload button right?09:48
topyliSlike: yes, right click the desktop and select 'Create Launcher'09:48
Dreamer3Amaranth: i just like the freedom of linux09:49
topyliSlike: there's a command line09:49
vjazlappy, after enabling the repository, yes09:49
Dreamer3xp prolly runs better/fasted on this lappy09:49
AmaranthSlike: Make the shortcut run 'java -jar /path/to/file.jar' (without quotes).09:49
vjazlappy, then you should be able to find kde09:49
Neil3Dreamer3, i also think file organisation and management on windows isnt as solid as nix, like users only being able to write to their home dir and stuff09:49
Slikeamaranth: then it says something like java not found09:49
Neil3and apps being in one place, libraries in another etc09:49
AmaranthDreamer3: Yeah, I love it too. That's why I use Ubuntu even though XP worked better for me and I knew how to lock it down properly.09:49
zenroxNeil3,  i agree09:49
Neil3very well organised and tidy in nix09:49
Dreamer3Neil3: true, but windows can be locked down, just FYI09:49
zenroxlinux's files system is nise and easy09:50
zenroxvery logical09:50
Neil3the registry is a real pain too sometimes09:50
Neil3configuration files are definitely easier to work with09:50
topyliSlike: then use the full path to java, like '/usr/bin/java'. it might not read your variables right09:50
AmaranthNeil3: Too bad GNOME had to copy that. :P09:50
Dreamer3lol@ Amaranth09:50
zenroxi jsut like how linux handles ram09:50
AmaranthAnd they are trying to get everything to use it so their new admin tool will work properly.09:50
zenroxfill ram up before useing swap09:50
zenroxwin= fill swap up then complain09:51
Neil3and i dont have a million and one things running in the background phoning home or whatever09:51
Amaranthpfft, in windows i didn't need swap unless i was using photoshop09:51
Dreamer3Neil3: that's also your choice :)09:51
Amaranthit was nice to be able to enable and disable swap as needed09:51
Dreamer3Neil3: it's possible to keep windows boxes clean if you avoid IE :)09:51
basculeswapoff, swapon09:51
Neil3but you have to work around it09:51
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Neil3with linux it just 'is'09:51
basculedo that on doze without it crashing09:51
lappyvjaz, i have a usb drive.  when i plugged it in, it got mounted automatically.  can i just unplug it or is there a "umount" way of doing it?09:51
zenroxAmaranth,  i only have a 128meg swap file and only use 30mges of it after 2 days of constant uptime09:51
AmaranthNeil3: Only because someone did it for you (Ubuntu, SuSE, etc)09:51
Neil3and most novice windows users wont know to tweak services etc09:51
Dreamer3we have clients with very solid WIndows XP networks09:52
AmaranthSo far nothing beats AD, either.09:52
Dreamer3no one has admin accounts... known good software, few issues09:52
basculenot much crap software on them I take it09:52
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AmaranthSUS is finally beaten by package managers with local servers09:52
vjazlappy, right click on the icon on your desktop and select "eject" I think09:53
Neil3with windows you're pretty much stuck with the explorer desktop09:53
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Amaranthbascule: Programs that require admin-level access to things can get it with very tight ACLs setup.09:53
Dreamer3with a linux firewall/proxy/domain controller running the show :)09:53
zenroxDreamer3,  but who dont want to use a admin account winxp (just casue it limets installing programs09:53
Slikeok, with the full path it works...09:53
basculei think Linux and windows currently stand on a level playing feild in terms of usability09:53
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Dreamer3zenrox: huh?09:53
zenroxDreamer3,  ignore me09:53
johnnybezakbascule: no way man09:53
Dreamer3zenrox: ok09:53
lappyvjaz, ok thx09:53
basculejohnnybezak: why09:54
johnnybezakbascule: too many things need tweaking09:54
Amaranthbascule: Once the Linux Standard Base gets used by all the major distros people will just be able to download an RPM off a website (yeah, i know, RPM) and install it just like Windows.09:54
zenroxhardware is one of them09:54
AmaranthSo it'll be even easier to use Linux.09:54
johnnybezakbascule: to get working properly, dont get me wrong I like tweaking stuff, windows is still more usable09:54
Dreamer3Amaranth: well, libc versions still impact that09:54
topyliAmaranth: i don't want to install stuff like in windows :)09:54
basculeyes, support from the majior hw manufacturers is a big step that will be gradual09:54
johnnybezakAmaranth: I think a package manager is better than going to a website and installing things09:55
basculejohnnybezak: nah tweaks are only neede for some hardware09:55
zenroxjust like windows09:55
Neil3package installing is so easy and fast09:55
Amaranthjohnnybezak: Not for CustomApp 0.1 from SmallSoftwareCo that doesn't have it's proprietary software in any repositories.09:55
basculelinux is far more tweakable, but it isn't neccessary to do, given the right hardware09:56
distvanI haven't  /dev/fd0 and I can't use the floppy. How do I create it?09:56
Neil3in windows you have to click 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'reboot'09:56
johnnybezakbascule: every time i install a distro i have to at least tweak something be it video/sound09:56
johnnybezakor whatever09:56
zenroxbascule, and not so hard on cpu resources with eyecand like windows is09:56
johnnybezakAmaranth: thats not a problem with package managemnet thats a problem with SmallSoftwareCo09:57
AmaranthNeil3: Linux doesn't have DLL Hell because package managers control overwriting libs, too.09:57
basculejohnnybezak: If I hand you a brnd new box and a XP disc, it will take more work than Ubuntu09:57
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zenroxbascule, is right09:57
johnnybezakbascule: yeah youre probably right man (haha im just thinking what it took to install xp on my friends lap top today :P)09:57
Amaranthjohnnybezak: Now does SmallSoftwareCo get Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE, and Red Hat to put their app in the repositories? If they have to make their own it would be easier to provide an RPM.09:57
distvanSpecial device /dev/fd0 does not exist. Could you help me?09:58
basculejohnnybezak: there you go, it is a reality, XP is 4 years old though09:58
AmaranthI wish people would follow Apple's lead and work to make things faster every release.09:58
AmaranthIt seems like some Linux devs are starting to try.09:59
basculeKDE do, not that I like them09:59
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AmaranthKDE didn't have much of a choice, it was heavier then WinXP.09:59
AmaranthDreamer3: It will boot faster. ;)09:59
basculebut they are doing it09:59
zenroxDreamer3, it is in my opion09:59
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AmaranthSeems like the GNOME folks are doing it too.09:59
vjazThere's a post on OSNews about an effort to reduce GTK+'s memory requirements.09:59
Dreamer3vjaz: linkx?10:00
johnnybezakstuff on linux is consistently quicker than on xp or mac os x10:00
AmaranthAnd GNOME 3 is supposed to be a lot lighter.10:00
Dreamer3Amaranth: where can i read all this10:00
johnnybezakim running ubuntu/flux on my iMac 17" cos its much more responsive10:00
johnnybezakGnome 3 isn't even planned yet is it?10:00
Neil3yeah its in development johnnybezak10:01
PoWHow do I take a screenshot of my desktop in KDE?10:01
johnnybezakI read on the gnome site I think that gnome 3 will be the release of gnome that breaks backwards compatibility, but i'm probably just mistaken10:01
AmaranthDreamer3: I pick it up from blogs. For GNOME 3 they are pushing to simplify dependencies by getting rid of unused APIs and simplifiying things so some aren't needed. Plus combining some of them.10:01
SlikePoW: Ksnapshot10:01
PoWWhere is that at?10:01
Slikealt+f2 and fill the word in ;-)10:01
Neil3that sounds extremely cool Amaranth10:01
AmaranthDreamer3: Which will mean less shit to load into memory just to load a simple little app.10:01
Dreamer3Amaranth: true10:02
Dreamer3Amaranth: though i find gnome better in taht regard than KDE10:02
AmaranthI've heard talks of removing GnomeProgram even. ;)10:02
zenroxand be able to run on a lower mem box10:02
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AmaranthYeah, GNOME has always been better at it then KDE it seems.10:02
Dreamer3Amaranth: at least when i compared library linking and startup time of "calc" (kde or gnome)... gnome was was faster with less dynamic linking10:02
Neil3could perhaps dig out the amiga 500 with 1mb ram from the attic!10:02
Neil3here's hoping10:02
AmaranthGNOME looks sexy to people who like fast and sleek, KDE looks sexy to people who like flashy things. ;)10:03
zenroxid love to see gnome load on that10:03
basculestill good for a game of sensible soccer10:03
Neil3gnome is more elegant imo10:03
zenroxi agree10:03
Dreamer3*would love a faster laptop period to run Gnome on*10:03
Neil3like a tall slim brunette in an evening dress10:03
Neil3as oposed to kde which is a busty blonde with lots of makeup10:03
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Neil3a little more curvatious10:03
basculeKDE is a tart with too much make-up10:03
zenroxi have bine using gnome since rh 7.010:04
Dreamer3that was good10:04
mpqI've never seen KDE but I guess I don't need to10:04
mpqI'll take the brunette any day10:04
Dreamer3though i think xfce is the cute red-head that goes unoticed by most guys10:04
johnnybezaki think kde is fine it just needs usability work (think amount of buttons in konqueror)10:04
basculeheh, acme up with it in a KDE/xfce flame I was having with a freind10:04
AmaranthKDE 4 is probably going to blow us all away though. They are going to use gstreamer (or something similar) and Qt 4 and are trying to get things smaller and faster.10:04
Neil3perhaps kde and gnome will merge one day10:05
basculeand aren't they just gonna soooooo overdo the composite transparecncy ... :P10:05
PoWSlike, the command Ksnapshot was not found.10:05
Dreamer3kde and gnome won't merge10:05
Neil3you never know10:05
mpqwhat does kde look like?10:05
danielsdesktop environment flamewars somewhere else please; relevant discussion (e.g. amaranth's last comment) is fine, but none of the random 'omg kde sux'/'omg gnome sux' please10:05
zenroxPoW,  install it10:05
PoWOh it's a package10:05
basculempq: wwww.kde.org, screenshots10:05
PoWalright thanks10:05
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basculeone less w of course :)10:06
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Dreamer3too bad ubuntu is mostly a community of "tall slim brunettes in an evening dresses"...10:07
Neil3with a glass of red wine in their hands10:07
ellsdoes anyone know of an app that will allow me to pull files from a windows machine remotely10:07
zenroxhahaha but at least we have class10:07
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Neil3gnome does feel classy10:08
zenroxells samba www.ubuntuguide.org to set it up10:08
basculeells: samba and a file browser that will support that10:08
ellsbascule, will it allow my linux machine to pull files from the windows machine10:08
Dreamer3doesn't gnome's nautilius support that out of the vox?10:08
basculeyes, it is what it does .. :)10:08
zenroxDreamer3,  only if it has smbfs10:09
johnnybezak_Dreamer3: with ubuntu it does10:09
Dreamer3zenrox: well, we're talking ubuntu here, right? :)10:09
basculein fact MS ask the samba guys stuff about netBIOS (snigger)10:09
ellsi just rebuilt a machine and it the video card wont display properly, it locks after i install10:09
Dreamer3bascule: oh yeah?10:10
Neil3samba does work so well actually10:10
ellsso I guess i will have to put windows on that one10:10
zenroxDreamer3,  yes but smbfs helps so that it can mount it10:10
basculeDreamer3: yeah they did consultancy work for them for 2k310:10
Neil3you know its a good app when you don't realise it's there but its silently doing its thing10:10
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zenroxNeil3,  yep10:10
Dreamer3like the taskbar clock10:11
Neil3gotta go to work bbl!10:11
Dreamer3it never locks up10:11
Dreamer3always shows the time10:11
zenroxor weather app10:11
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zenroxbut one thaing i know forshure ubuntu is now my linux flavor till the end of time10:13
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zenroxubuntu will release faster than debian10:15
johnnybezak_i wonder what sort of effect ubuntu has had on debian numbers (if any)10:15
dudI prefer freebsd on server10:15
Dreamer3because debian is a ROCK10:16
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Dreamer3and ubuntu is rocklike in many ways :)10:16
eglijonathaN: good question. It might take away from debian10:16
johnnybezak_i was on mac os x recently, the bsd man pages are waaayyyy better than the GNU ones has any one else noticed this?10:16
billytwowillyI'm trying to get my wireless lan up. I can associate, but dhcp doesn't give me an ip when I do an ifup eth1. Where should I go from here?10:16
eglior it might bring new people to debian10:16
dudi *really* dont fucking like the new d-i installer10:17
zenroxrock <--> hard place   debian<-->ubuntu10:17
Dreamer3my laptop switched from Debian to Ubuntu... because I like the idea of newer software but not constantly changing (was running sarge/testing)10:17
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Dreamer3dud: i like it except partiting seems more complicated than necessary10:17
dudits just not very initiutive, and i feel like I have no control compared to the good old one10:17
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Dreamer3but for servers i think i'd like real debian :)10:17
dudand its prone to breakage as well10:17
BungoI'm building a new system which I will run Ubuntu on. Any reccomendations for CPU/MB? (I was thinking of Athlon 64 with NForce4 Ultra mainboard)10:17
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basculethey have that proven track record don't they10:17
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dudimho nothing beats freebsd for serving content10:18
zenroxdud i am using ubuntu as a server10:18
johnnybezak_dud: hpw come?10:18
zenroxand its pretty sollid10:18
Dreamer3dud: i haven't had issues with it10:18
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dudfirst of all its solid, and the ports system just rocks the socks off, and the init system is excellent10:19
zenroxme too Dreamer310:19
Dreamer3heck, even a 2500 AMD XP would be blazing10:19
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dudI recommend freebsd as servers and generally ubuntu for desktop, for all my clients10:19
zenrox2ghz celron(p4core)10:19
basculeeven a 2500, a 2500 is pretty good really10:20
Dreamer3i tried freebsd, couldn't get into it10:20
Dreamer3i'm just too rooted in linux10:20
Dreamer3and not enough time10:20
zenroxid do my sysinfo script here but its offtopic;)10:20
basculeme too, I just couldn't really be bothered relearning another OS10:20
johnnybezak_i ran a 2500XP it was pretty sweet10:20
zenroxbut i can do it in #ubuntuforums10:20
dudI've been using freebsd for server for so long now... back with freebsd 3.x series10:20
johnnybezak_(now back on the 800 mhz g4 :P)10:20
basculedamn you10:21
johnnybezak_dud: i'm going to make a little server, considering a bsd10:21
dudi have an athlon64 3000+ with 1GB RAM10:21
dudpretty sweet10:21
johnnybezak_thats what my house mate has10:21
basculeoh well ...10:21
DeusYi have lost grub from my mbr. my distro is warty. any link on how to get the boot loader back using the warty installation cd?10:21
Dreamer3is the bsd kernel/app faster than linux on relaly old hardware (486/original pentium)?10:21
basculemaybe next year ...10:22
zenroxwelp i am off to bed all night and thx for the rousing convertaions10:22
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dudjohnnybezak_, openbsd only works as a security concept, netbsd works for routers based on 386 pcs10:23
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dudand freebsd just works ;)10:23
johnnybezak_freebsd has got the flag logo doesnt it?10:23
dudfreebsd has a dmon as its mascot10:24
Dreamer3freebsd is what i tried...10:24
Dreamer3couldn't go into it10:24
Dreamer3couldn't get into it10:24
danielsguys, y'know there's #freebsd ...10:25
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Dreamer3daniels: if nothing else is happening, why not? :)10:25
DeusYhoary (5.04) is a final or a preview version ?10:25
johnnybezak_yeah i've used mac os x a bit which is bsd based10:26
basculeDeusY: preview, still testing10:26
danielsDreamer3: because it might intimidate people who want to use it for support stuff10:26
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Dreamer3daniels: so a quiet room is more inviting?10:26
danielsnot dead silent, but not as abuzz with freebsd chatter10:27
Slikehmm....my java problem is quite strange...$PATH in console returns this:bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin: Onbekend bestand of map10:27
Dreamer3daniels: you have valid points10:27
Slike"onbekend bestand of map" = "unknown folder/file"10:27
Slikebut it is there10:27
DeusYstill, can you please point me at a howto or something on restoing GRUB on a lost MBR for Warty (I do not have the grub floppydisk)10:27
DeusYi just have the warty cd10:28
basculeperhaps the trailing :10:28
Slikemight be that idd....10:28
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Slikehow do I remove that ":"? i added this to /etc/bash.bashrc: JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_0110:29
Slikeexport JAVA_HOME10:29
Slikeexport PATH10:29
basculeDeusY: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootinstallcd and a little further on too10:30
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Slikeor is there some other way to get this in the $path variable?10:30
basculeSlike: export $PATH , what does it say?10:31
basculeecho $PATH10:31
basculedamn dont do the export10:31
basculewell not the end of the worldif you do10:31
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Slikebut my compiler isn't found....10:32
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basculeand if you ls -l /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01 it is there?10:33
Slikeand i have trouble with eclipse (saying that java is not in my path10:33
Slikeit's there yes10:33
basculesource /etc/profile10:33
basculetry again10:33
Slikei entered that command...tried to compile (with jGRASP if that matters) but still the same10:34
basculewhereis javac10:34
Slikeinside the bin-folder (/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin/javac), standard place10:35
basculeno aas a command, whereis javac10:36
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Slikesorry ;)10:36
basculeit will show you, which javac will do the same10:36
Slikeit returns: javac:10:36
Slikeis it possible it's using parts of gcc or something, instead of the sun-sdk?10:37
basculenot if you told it not to10:37
basculeor didn't tell it to rather10:37
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basculeecho $JAVA_PATH10:39
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Slikethis returns an empty line10:39
dudthats the problem then10:39
basculeexport JAVA_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin10:39
dudshouldnt that be without the /bin part?10:40
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NermalSlike, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre10:40
basculeperhaps you made a common mistake and applied spaces to the var10:40
dudand in path $JAVA_PATH/bin?10:40
basculedud: sometimes yes, sometimes no ...10:40
basculedud: you are right10:40
NermalSlike, just add another ln -s for the javac bin10:41
zzyberHi! Im installing Ubuntu on my friends laptop and i want to activate the pcmcia nic during install, how is that possible?10:41
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Slikenow i have $JAVA_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin , but it still doesn't compile or start eclipse10:42
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marcin_antSlike: you need to export JAVA_HOME and JAVA_PATH in the same terminal session you want to run eclipse10:44
raghuzzyber: it should do automatically you can notice while installing10:44
Slikehmmm...it keeps on doing strange things....10:45
Slikenot what i want it to do10:45
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Slikei just would like to have this runtime & compiler stuff in my path permanently...but the ubuntuguide stuff doesn't seem to work here completely10:46
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billytwowillywhat's the deal with the array stuff?10:50
stuNNedit's like a release cycle afaik10:51
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dikatlonhey i have put up a mirror for ubuntu10:57
acidmaxdquestion: ubuntu warty, upgraded && dist-upgraded. /bin/login, /bin/su, /usr/sbin/useradd, /usr/sbin/usermod, /usr/sbin/vipw are with incorrect (modified) checksums. Do you think that this machine has been compromised?10:57
dikatlonIt's a swedish mirror in fact10:57
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basculeacidmaxd: ckrootkit10:58
DeusYdude, maybe I did something wrong, but i get errors trying to restore grub the way the ubuntuguide describes ot10:58
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basculeDeusY: what sort of errors?10:59
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DeusYbascule: I get the root acces as described there, i run "grub" than "root (hd0,0)" then "setup (hd0)"10:59
DeusYhere i get "Cannot mount..."11:00
DeusYError 1711:00
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trukuloanyone using atitvout with hoary?11:00
Slike|Gonefinally got it working...i installed some preconfigured packages :)11:01
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basculeDeusY: so you mount /dev/discs/disc0/part? /ubuntu11:01
basculetry it this way:11:01
basculemount -o rw /dev/discs/disc0/part? /ubuntu11:01
basculeperhaps mounted it read only11:02
DeusYpart? shoub be the partiotion where ubuntu is installed, isn't it? (i have only one patiotion / and the swap)11:02
basculeyeas, so hda3 would be /dev/discs/disc0/part311:03
TheMuso_Does anybody know whether the community council meeting is on today?11:03
DeusYok, thanks11:03
DeusYi'll try again11:03
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basculeDeusY: it is because devfs or udev haven't been run that yiu refer to it that way, if you care ...11:04
basculeand the -o rw makes it writable11:04
basculewhich it needs to be11:04
delltonyquestion is it a known bug that recent document clear doesn't work or should i file a bugreport on bugzilla?11:04
DeusYthanks dude, i'll be back in a couple of minutes to tell you if it's working11:04
basculesearch bugzilla first, if no then do it11:04
basculeDeusY: OK11:05
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acidmaxdbascule: i've checked it using chkrootkit - nothing. rkhunter reports these files as modified11:05
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basculeI dunno that app, but the upgrade may have changed them since it looked at those files11:06
chris_where should I put a startup script to enable my rf switch?11:06
basculeso it's list of md5s look different11:06
acidmaxdbascule: ok, thanks11:06
acidmaxdbascule: oops: Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  465)11:07
delltonybascule, ok yeah its a bug curious not too familar with the bugzilla is there a way to make it send you updates of the issue? do you just add yours to cc ?11:08
basculedelltony: I am not sure, if you add a comment, just something silly like "I get this too" it will mail you ... dirty but will work :)11:08
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basculeacidmaxd: hmmmm11:09
acidmaxdbascule: sorry, false alarm - it's stunnel11:09
delltonyi don't want to clutter their system unless its useful11:09
basculedelltony: If you want to be kept informed of that bug, do it, that is what bugzilla is for11:09
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delltonyok will do11:09
basculedelltony: there may be a subscribe to this bug option too11:10
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basculedelltony: amen to that, I get the no clearing thing too, but that is hoary ...11:10
DeusYno success :P11:10
delltonyyeah the trashcan now works though11:11
delltonybefore it didn't11:11
basculeDeusY: what is wrong with the booting on this box?11:11
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DeusYi got widows xp installed and the mbr was overwriten11:12
delltonybut really they need to add that functionality back to gnome the application:/// i will post my program after i test it and make sure it works fine but the thing is the person running it must install php-gtk and the php4-dev kit but anyway11:12
basculeand now grub won't go back, OK. What was the error this time?11:12
DeusYso now i am trying to get ubuntu back on track... i could reinstall it alltogether but i am afraid of loosing my updates11:12
chris_where do I put scripts I want to run at startup?11:12
DeusYbascule: same error when running "setup (hd0)" in grub: Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition11:13
bascule e.g. Assumed that /dev/hda1 is the location of /boot partition <-- did you notice that ?11:13
basculeDeusY: ^11:13
delltonychris_, go to preferences then sessions11:13
basculehd(?,?) will need to be changed to reflect this, I dunno though I am a lilo user11:13
acidmaxdbascule: the strange thing is that i've found my shadow file in /home . nobody has access to this machine, only me11:13
delltonythere is a thing there called startup programs11:13
delltonyyou can just add the command there11:14
basculeacidmaxd: and you didn't copy it there, only root shouold be ab;e to do this ...11:14
chris_delltony, That's at gnome startup though isn't it?11:14
DeusYmy ubuntu is installed on /dev/hda811:14
delltonyother place i think it xsession or xintrc but not certain on that11:14
DeusYhda7 is the swap, and others are win11:14
chris_delltony, I need for system startup. It's for the wireless lan card rfswitch. It need to be turned on before the networking stuff is run.11:14
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basculeDeusY: I am not sure on this, once again I do lilo not grub11:15
acidmaxdbascule: i didn't11:15
delltonysomeone else can correct me but i believe its the .xsession file iirc11:15
DeusYbascule thanks for your help11:15
basculeDeusY: np11:15
DeusYi'll search more on the web11:15
acidmaxdbascule: this is a mail machine, the users have system accounts, but the shell is '/bin/false', so they shouldn't be able to login11:16
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basculeacidmaxd: I really don't know, /bin/false would prevent a login though11:18
acidmaxdok, thanks a lot11:19
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snowblinkchris_: man update-rc.d11:21
andygday..K7 kernel for Athlon XP processor?11:21
delltonychris_,  you can add that line to your $HOME/.xinitrc ($Home/.xsession in Debian) as well to start as soon as your X session starts on boot. this was taken from linux laptops11:21
delltonyi used that method on warty for lineakd& hope that helps11:21
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snowblinkandy: yes11:23
andysnowblink: thx mate11:23
andycan it be made to install K7 from initial install?11:24
andydoh..nope i386 iso11:24
snowblinkandy: You should apt-get it anyway. That way you get the latest security versions11:24
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andysnowblink: yeh will do that..gonna go reinstall from scratch..i gotta stop messing with debian while i'm drunk11:25
PoWCan you unzip .zip files using tar?11:26
snowblinkpow: try unzip11:27
snowblinkpow: or gunzip11:27
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draskoHi all11:37
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Jerubwhats the easiest way of migrating from debian to ubuntu without losing data?11:38
JerubI'm completely fine about losing system config and package installations11:38
Nermalhave a seperate /home ?11:39
Jerubis that it?11:39
draskoI've got a question about apache: a site I put on my machine i coplely browsable from my machine, but from other machine all I see is a homepage with no pictures on it... Site is not browsable at all, I can not go to the any other page of my sit11:39
HaukkariI'm migrating from Ubuntu to Debian. Why? The damn cedega won't work like it's supposed to. Actually not at all. Sure, it runs but any game won't work11:39
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JerubHaukkari: whats cedega?11:40
HaukkariJerub: the new winex11:40
HaukkariJerub: windows emulator, especially for games11:40
HaukkariBut anyway, I mostly use my laptop which has the most kick-ass OS I've ever used so my desktop isn't really a priority... I just use it for windows-gaming and Windows can do that now that I don't need to really use it. =)11:41
HaukkariAnd the OS in my laptop is Mac OS X. :)11:41
stijn_hooray for Haukkari :p11:42
Jerubif you want windows. run windows.11:42
Jerubif you want games, get an xbox and a tv tuner.11:42
JerubI want a mac mini11:43
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PoWWhat would be an example gunzip command11:45
PoWto unzip and save the contents of test.zip11:46
eXhum3dhello. i just installed ubuntu and i'm trying to get xmms with apt-get, but i get some errors11:46
eXhum3disn't it supposed to download all dependencies ?11:46
eXhum3dthanks in advance11:46
PoWeXhum3d, tried using synaptic?11:46
NermaleXhum3d, should do11:46
Nermalwhy the hell would that be any different ?11:46
Nermalsynaptic being a front end to apt11:46
eXhum3ddon't know11:46
PoWeXhum3d, Did you edit your source.list?11:47
eXhum3dPoW, no11:47
eXhum3dwhat do I have to edit there ?11:47
eXhum3di saw that file11:47
eXhum3dlet me check it again11:47
PoWeXhum3d, well you should uncomment the extras11:47
PoWto get a large list of packages11:47
eXhum3dok, i'll try it11:48
eXhum3dthanks friends11:48
eXhum3dwell, I did that11:48
eXhum3di did apt-get update after that11:48
eXhum3dand I still got errors11:48
raghueXhum3d: what error?11:49
eXhum3di'll pastebin it11:49
raghueXhum3d: paste in pvt window11:50
membreyahi there Nermal  :)11:50
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dudyey, my first ubuntu package bug is in the archives <311:51
dudbugfix even hehe11:51
membreyawd dud ;)11:51
Nermallo membreya :)11:52
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membreyaNermal: how are your nerdy skills at compiling and using modules? :P11:53
Nermalpretty good11:53
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NermalI'm quite rageful and depressed at the moment just to warn you though11:53
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dudweird combination of feelings...11:54
membreyaok then ... lol :P11:54
membreyawell I compiled a set of quickcam drivers and made a quickcam.ko....I've then insmod'd this module which loads it to memory11:55
membreyahowever I add it to /etc/modules and it doesn't load at boot.. I do a modprobe and it says module not found..I have to go back to the compile directory11:55
membreyaand insmod it each time :\11:55
membreyathinking bout it Nermal ? :P11:59
Nermalwell.. it would need to be in /lib/modules/<kernel version> no ?12:00
Nermaland then you'd have to add it to /etc/modules.conf12:01
Nermaland run depmod -a12:01
Nermalmodules.conf is some black magic I've never fully understood12:01
CarlKhow does modprobe know to look in  /lib/modules/<kernel version> for anything?12:01
membreyaso do i need to copy the quickcam.ko anywhere in particular?12:02
CarlKmembreya - did you12:02
CarlKmembreya - did you "make install" ?12:02
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membreyaCarlK: sure did do a make install12:02
membreyabut it only made a copy of the .ko in the directory I was in12:02
NermalCarlK, it just does12:03
Nermalthat's where modules go12:03
membreyaNermal: /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/image would that be ok to copy the .ko file ?12:03
Nermallike I said.. black magic :|12:03
NermalI think so12:03
membreyaas long as it's somewhere ;)12:04
Nermalthough maybe not under kernel12:04
CarlKim surprised there isn't a var like PATH12:04
Nermalas it's not part of the kernel12:04
Nermal/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/misc or something12:04
CarlKi need to make breakfast12:04
CarlKill be back later12:04
membreyaNermal: there's no misc directory...if I create one will it know to look in it ?12:04
NermalI think so12:05
membreyaone way to find out :P12:05
membreyaso create the directory12:05
NermalI really don't know too much about autoloading modules :|12:05
membreyacopy the file12:05
membreyado a depmod -a12:05
Nermalthen try a modprobe12:05
membreyahrm ...how do you unload a module ?12:06
membreyanevermind :)12:07
membreyajust did a modprobe on the quickcam12:07
membreyaand it worked :)12:07
membreyasweet :D12:07
membreyanow I just have to get the video working lol!12:07
membreyait apparently outpouts to /dev/video112:07
membreyathanks for your help Nermal  :)12:08
membreyait is all easy enough...once you know how :|12:09
membreyaask me tomorrow and I will have forgotten12:09
membreyaaaaargh..out of cigarettes :'(12:09
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BenuwHi folks, does somebody know how to set up a speedtouch 330 adsl modem12:19
BenuwOn ubuntu?12:19
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Coilysomething happened where i have to click the title bar to switch windows, instead of just clicking anywhere in the window. anyone know whats up?12:22
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leveldochi everybody12:39
leveldocdoes anyone know how to configure my Ubuntu Linux to act as a NFS _CLIENT_, not a server? I can't seem to find a nfs-client package or anything related to it in my repositories12:40
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lunitikleveldoc: nfs is in-kernel... just mount via 'mount -t nfs ip_addr:/path/to/share /where/to/mount'12:42
leveldoccoolies, thanks!12:44
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CarlKI have found mount to be pretty good at figuring out the type12:45
CarlKeven with loop into an iso image12:45
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leveldochow do I add automatic mounts to my boot procedure?12:47
leveldocjust /etc/fstab?12:47
leveldocthat easy?12:48
leveldocUbuntu is the first distro that works out of the box the way I want it to.12:48
CarlKsomewhere in the boot scripts is: mount -a12:48
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CarlKleveldoc - warty or hoary?12:50
leveldocinstalled it yesterday12:50
CarlKiv done both, but havn't really used the hoary box for anything but firefox12:51
leveldocand I am very excited about it, as I have seen a lot of distros over the years but ubuntu seems to top them all - so far. :-)12:51
CarlKmy gf uses the warty box - so far the only problem is sound: playing a wav file loops forever12:52
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leveldocthere are *some* issues regarding being able to install packages; for example, I've added the repositories described in the WIKI to be able to playback MP3s, etc.but sometimes dependency problems arise where I can't seem to make out the problem. :-( For example: I can't install MPlayer.12:52
CarlKi think xmms installed without any fuss12:53
membreya_leveldoc: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html12:53
HiddenWolfDoes anyone know how to add tags to a flac music file?12:53
CarlKhey HiddenWolf12:54
CarlKdid you look at the moose pack site?12:54
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leveldocmembreya_: what do you mean?12:54
leveldocI planned on installing it via synaptics12:54
membreya_leveldoc: sometimes things just arent in the repo's :)12:54
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HiddenWolfCarlK: not yet, why?12:55
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CarlKI think it does what you are looking for12:55
CarlKhigh quality, supports tags12:56
Trigx300can anyone help me config my boot loader to add a boot to my hda112:56
CarlKdon't know if flac does/doesn12:56
leveldocok, well, according to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/ there are repo's that carry it...12:56
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pngi have compiled mplayer successfully but my mplayer doesn't now the esd driver..  When I do mplayer -ao help icant see esound..12:56
leveldoc"You may then install mplayer using: sudo aptitude install mplayer-X=1.0-pre6a-0.0 "12:56
leveldocpng: I think you need to set certain ./configure options?12:57
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pngleveldoc, there is one option like " --disable-esd          disable esd sound support [autodetect] ".. and i didnt use it..12:59
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Trigx300can some one help me?01:01
CarlKTrigx300 - what do you currently have?01:01
Trigx300im on hda2(ubuntu)01:02
CarlKTrigx300 - does grub run when you boot the box?01:02
CarlKwhat is on hda1?01:02
Trigx300not automaticly01:02
CarlKgot it... just a sec01:03
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CarlKthe answer is in here - ill try to pull it out for you01:03
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eXhum3dhi again. i just installed my ubuntu system but i can't get my soundcard working. and i can't run the command alsaconf: command not found. any suggestions?01:04
CarlKeXhum3d - what does aplay -l show?01:05
BenuwHi folks, how install speedtouch in simple language? What is fgs a repository? I'm not a techie01:05
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eXhum3dCarlK, root@radio:/home/radio # aplay -l01:05
eXhum3daplay: device_list:199: no soundcards found...01:05
eXhum3droot@radio:/home/radio #01:05
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CarlKTrigx300 - "code listing 4" is very close, only you need to change the root() lines01:06
leveldocBenuw: Thompson SpeedTouch DSL Modem?01:06
Nermallo elf :)01:06
leveldochow do you connect to it? USB or Ethernet?01:06
leveldocok, wait a sec01:06
eXhum3dCarlK, what should i do ?01:07
NermalBenuw, you'll need the correct firmware01:07
CarlKTrigx300 - and it is at /boot/grub/menu.lst01:07
Nermalto upload to it with modem_run01:07
Nermaland then some funky ppp config stuff :|01:07
Trigx300ok thanks01:07
Nermalmy friend got his official ubuntu cds :)01:07
leveldocBenuw: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178401:08
Benuwok thanks , i'll try, what's hth?01:08
leveldochope that helps01:09
CarlKeXhum3d - there may be a better way, but it won't hurt to figure out what driver to use - this page will help figure that out: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems01:09
CarlKTrigx300 - code listing 4, root (hd0,0)01:09
CarlKTrigx300 - run grub, then the 3 lines in Code Listing 8, only the first line is root (hd0,1)01:11
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eXhum3dCarlK, 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]  (rev 02)01:12
eXhum3d what is the driver then? :D01:12
CarlKeXhum3d - find the alsa link01:12
NermaleXhum3d, modprobe snd-ens137101:13
Nermalis the alsa driver01:13
sirukinoy zeedo01:13
HiddenWolfCarlK: easytag looks promising01:13
eXhum3dNermal, ok, did that. any way to see if its already installed?01:13
Nermalwill show you if the module is loaded01:13
Nermaldmesg should give you some info at the bottom01:13
eXhum3dok its loaded01:13
eXhum3dwhat about now ?01:13
Nermallast dmesg output ?01:14
CarlKeXhum3d - aplay -l01:14
eXhum3daplay -l shows nothing yet01:14
Nermalspeakers on ?01:14
Nermalmixer levels ok ? :)01:14
eXhum3dAC'97 0 does not respond - RESET01:14
eXhum3dcodec read timeout (final) at 0xb814, reg = 0x7c [0x0] 01:14
eXhum3dcodec read timeout (final) at 0xb814, reg = 0x7e [0x0] 01:14
eXhum3dAC'97 0 access is not valid [0x0] , removing mixer.01:14
eXhum3dENS1371: probe of 0000:00:0b.0 failed with error -501:14
eXhum3di guess this is not good01:14
eXhum3d(at dmesg)01:14
elfhey room01:14
elfwhat media player do you guys suggest?01:15
robodexlol it's awesome when I get "You have spyware" spam now :D01:15
Amaranthelf: Totem for most things, mplayer and gxine for the few things totem won't play01:15
eXhum3dCarlK, Nermal, any suggestions ?01:15
elfok cool01:15
Nermalelf, for which media ?01:15
NermaleXhum3d, boot with pci=noacpi ?01:16
elftotem does not play everything as well as xmms01:16
pdrmplayer is also good (but evil too.. long story)01:16
jcoironI would like to thanks Ubuntu community for the CDs I received... I was quite impressed by the quality of them (it's beeing distributed to friends and collegues, choosing carefully some personnes who _will_ give it a try :) )01:16
Nermalbeep-media-player ?01:16
Amaranthelf: Oh, there really isn't any all-in-one player.01:16
Nermaljcoiron, aye.. nice aren't they :)01:16
elfwell im using VLC and its ok but its got its bugs01:16
AmaranthTotem comes closest since it can have playlists but generally you have a music player and a video player.01:16
Nermalmplayer will play just about anything with w32codecs installed01:16
zeedosirukin: :)01:17
CarlKbah.. mplayer plays like all you ever read01:17
eXhum3dNermal, what do you mean with the pci=noacpi ? how can i do that ?01:17
elfwhere do i get mplayer?01:17
CarlKeXhum3d - that page is about all I have to offer - the only reason I know anything about sound is becasue last week i dug aruond enough to get it working on my box01:18
Elsidoxelf, mplayer is fugly01:18
elflol ok01:18
elfwhat then...01:18
Trigx300CarlK -how can i get a list of the hd..,.. with their names so i know how to config grub?01:18
Nermalelf, totem should be installed01:18
elfit is01:18
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Elsidoxelf,  what are you trying to play?01:19
elfbut it doesnt play everything01:19
CarlKTrigx300 - (hdD,P) D=drive, P=partition, both start at 001:19
Nermalwell... define everything01:19
Nermalit doesn't have a wax cylinder plugin no01:19
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elfsome of my cds that i copied onto pc in win01:19
Nermaloh god01:19
Nermalwma files ?01:19
LathiatAnyone knwo why icons for my firewire disk, etc, wont appear in computer -- but if i double click the cdrom and it fails to mount then they appear (every time, latest hoary)01:19
Elsidoxelf, are they .wma files?01:19
elfyeah i guess01:19
Nermalfor starters01:19
Nermaluse mplayer and w32codecs01:20
elfVLC plays them01:20
elfbut vlc has bugs01:20
Elsidoxso does mplayer01:20
Nermaland windows media player doesn't ? :)01:20
elflol good point01:20
NermalI think I'd rather listen to the sound of a player refusing to play a wma file than the file itself01:20
elfand gxine...hows that?01:20
Nermalumm... ok I guess01:21
Nermalmore of a video player01:21
Nermalxmms / beep and rhythmbox are the most popular gnome ones01:21
elfwhere do i get w32 codecs01:21
elfhows beep?01:21
Nermalumm.. its in apt but has a v next to it :|01:21
Vjazxmms and beep aren't gnome players01:21
NermalVjaz, I know01:21
Nermalbeep is a gtk2 version of xmms01:21
Nermalbasically :|01:22
Nermalso you get antialiased fonts and all that jazz01:22
Vjazwhat do they even use gtk for? the settings window?01:22
Nermalpardon the pun01:22
elfwhich is better...kde or gnome?01:22
Vjazthe gui is basically a hack01:22
Nermalelf, both have their merits :)01:22
Vjazelf: on what premises?01:22
Nermalkde is good for filling up disk space01:22
elfok usability01:22
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LathiatNermal: heh01:22
Vjazelf: gnome01:22
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elfi used kde on mandrake when i had it01:22
Vjazmy bad opinion01:22
Nermalgnome was lagging behind kde for a while but it's come a long way in the last couple of years01:23
elfyeah i guess kde did have a lot of graphics and shit01:23
NermalI prefer gnome tbh01:23
Nermalbut i know people who prefer kde..01:23
Elsidoxcan someone help me? I cant play mp3s or any other media anymore. I use to be able to but after i started up my comp today I cant anymore.01:23
Nermalor maybe, a person..01:23
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VjazElsidox: what happens when you try playing media?01:24
ZorroBytesHi. I'm trying to setup a printer at work, but cups is complaining with this error: PCL-XL-Printer.ppd - No such file or directory!01:24
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elfthe thing is on kde i got all these cool proggies01:24
ElsidoxVjaz, i get a cant open media for writing error01:24
ZorroBytesAnyone have any idea what package I need to install to get this ppd?01:24
elfit took me foreva to find a cdburner on gnome and when i did it was a kde program01:25
Elsidoxelf, gnomebakers pretty good =)01:25
VjazElsidox: which app are you using?01:25
Nermalelf, aye.. it's well hidden.. you just have to put a blank cd in01:25
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Nermalor goto burn:/// in nautilus01:25
ElsidoxVjaz,  munie, but I cant play in other players also.01:26
Trigx300CarlK - in the grub file it says that ubuntu is Hd0,1 but its hda2 how does that work?01:26
VjazElsidox: ok, sounds odd... do you get any sound in the interface?01:26
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thenukeTrigx300: Hd0,0 would be hda1 then?01:27
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ElsidoxVjaz, yes. I hear the drumb noise and the startup sound01:27
elflol...gnomebaker wasnt working and i was trying to make an audio cd and k3b is so much simpler to use...01:27
elfwhats the differance between xine and gstreamer?01:27
VjazElsidox: ok... I'm guessing it has to be a problem with gstreamer... you might want to reinstall it with apt-get install --reinstall gstreamer01:27
Trigx300oh, ok thanks01:28
Vjazelf: well, they're different libraries... they mostly serve the same purpose01:28
ElsidoxVjaz, already tryed =) and still no luck01:28
krismanybody know a 'japanese language tutor' program for linux? romaji at first, but kanji would be nice too01:28
Vjazelf: xine supports stuff like DVD's better I think01:28
elfbecause totem comes as gstreamer or xine which is better?01:28
Vjazelf: gstreamer is fine for open stuff at least01:28
Vjazelf: I think gstreamer got DVD support only recently... not sure if it works too well01:29
VjazElsidox: wow... that's really odd01:30
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Vjazelf:  my impression is that most people use totem-xine01:30
ElsidoxVjaz, =( ya01:31
Vjazelf: it supports more formats out of the box, so it's easier to setup01:31
elfso u recommend it?01:31
elfwhy not?01:31
Amaranthelf: Just enable universe and install gstreamer-plugins.01:31
AmaranthAfter I did that I only had one thing that would play in xine and not in totem.01:32
Vjazelf: not sure... I use gstreamer at the moment, but then again, I don't have it setup for playing any propietary stuff01:32
VjazAmaranth: will gstreamer-plugins enable support for stuff like WMV and QuickTime? Don't they need w32codecs or something?01:32
Trigx300does anyone know what the window browser is called (not firefox)01:32
VjazTrigx300: the window browser?01:33
AmaranthVjaz: Those don't play well anywhere.01:33
Trigx300yeah like when i open home01:34
Amarantholder versions of WMV play without windows codecs but WMV3 needs it01:34
Trigx300i need to browse my files with root access01:34
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Amaranthquicktime i've never gotten to play in gxine, gmplayer, or totem-gstreamer01:34
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Amaranthwait, mplayer did kind of work01:35
elfwhere do i get the codecs01:35
VjazAmaranth: well xine kind of plays them01:35
VjazAmaranth: depends on the quicktime version I guess01:35
Amaranthelf: You have to download them off the mplayer website and manually set them up (copy them to the correct folder)01:35
Trigx300oh never mind i got it01:35
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Nermalf-spot 0.0.9 is alread in apt :D01:36
NermalTrigx300, nautilus01:36
NermalVjaz, yeah01:36
Trigx300yeah i got it thanks01:37
VjazUniverse or something? That's nice.01:37
NermalSection: universe/gnome01:37
ZorroBytesSolved it. Have to log a bug.01:37
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Trigx300if im not back soon its kuz i mesed up my boot loader01:37
Nermalenjoy :)01:38
sleeperi want see photos whitout open all what program can i use?01:38
Nermalnautilus ?01:38
VjazNermal: Does it work well already? I understand it's still alpha state software.01:38
membreya_it gives thumbnails :)01:38
Nermali last tried it on 0.0.601:38
lunitiksleeper: nautilus uses eog... or you can use gthumb01:38
Nermaland it seemed ok, a little rough though (to be expected)01:39
lunitik(eye of gnome)01:39
Nermalbeagle is quite neat :)01:39
lunitikNermal: f-spot's devel even says "don't use this, its not stable"...01:39
NermalI just want to try it out01:39
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Nermalsee what it's like01:40
Nermalthe 0.0.6 thing is warning enough01:40
VjazNermal: It will *destroy* all your files!01:40
Nermallunitik, because respected people like miguel are all climaxing over it01:40
lunitikNermal: so you have to also?01:40
Nermaland it's got novell pushing it01:40
Amaranthlunitik: Explain why it's crap.01:40
VjazNermal: And it will sell you as a slave to a Bulgarian business man!01:40
Nermallunitik, I'm not installing it because it's a mono app01:40
lunitikNermal: so use NLD?01:40
Amaranthlunitik: Have you ever used it?01:40
Nermalpersonally I don't like mono that much01:41
lunitikAmaranth: it sucks up memory...01:41
Nermallunitik, line of thought please ?01:41
Amaranthlunitik: Not as much as you'd think. Not to mention that 1.1.x is even better about it.01:41
NermalI would be using NLD if I still worked for them :P01:41
lunitikAmaranth: neither are good though.01:41
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topyliElsidox: hey, gnomebaker does loog pretty good! thanks, i'd never heard of it :)01:42
membreya_damn you people and your acronyms01:42
lunitikNermal: they let you download and use it for free  :/01:42
Amaranthlunitik: Why do you use GNOME then?01:42
membreya_and last time I heard...mono was a VD :P01:42
Amaranthlunitik: Why do you use X at all?01:42
lunitikAmaranth: because the C apps are fast01:42
Amaranthlunitik: They suck up a lot of memory.01:42
NermalUnhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Gnome.Vfs.Vfs01:42
lunitikAmaranth: about a 20th of what Mono uses for the same function01:42
membreya_hi flosch :)01:42
lunitikAmaranth: and thats going by stats *mono* people posted.01:43
AmaranthMono adds maybe 5-10MB of memory usage. More then worth it for me as a programmer. The thought of writing a program once and having it work on OS X, Linux, and Windows makes it worth it.01:43
NermalAmaranth, whats wrong with java ? :)01:44
sleeperwhat anti-spyware and virus scan can i use?01:44
Nermalsleeper, none01:44
Nermalyou don't need it01:44
lunitikAmaranth: it won't though... you have to port at least a small part.01:44
Vjazlunitik: You can't say that Gnome uses a 20th of what Mono uses for the same function because they're totally different things.01:44
Tomcat_Nermal: Java needs like... 100 MB when you start it with Hello World :D01:44
membreya_about the furthest I ever got with programming was to write a java applet that said Hi World :D01:44
Amaranthlunitik: No you don't. As long as you don't use P/Invoke you're fine.01:44
sleeperyes i need01:44
Nermaljava is pretty evil :|01:44
Nermalsleeper, you don't01:44
Tomcat_I'm a Java fan though :o01:44
lunitikVjaz: sure... but I can say C uses about a 20th of what C# does.01:44
membreya_sleeper: AFAIK there's no viruses or spyware for linux ;)01:45
Nermalthere are a couple of viruses I think01:45
AmaranthNermal: Java isn't Free and is slower.01:45
Nermalonly a couple though01:45
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NermalAmaranth, blackdown ?01:45
Vjazlunitik: well you can say that... but if you run 20 programs, the gap becomes a lot smaller01:45
sleepermi computer sid me: your computer infected by w32.hllp.spreda.b.spy v2.01601:45
AmaranthNermal: Not Free. That's just a packaged version of the official Sun Java.01:45
Nermalsleeper, w32 = windows 3201:46
Nermalnot linux01:46
membreya_exactly :)01:46
sleeperpassword-stealin virus01:46
membreya_beat me to it Nermal ! >:(01:46
Nermalsleeper, stand up, your voice is muffled :)01:46
Elsidoxtopyli, gnomefiles.com has achive of LOTS of great gnome apps.01:46
Amaranthafaik the only real virus for linux that wasn't a proof of concept was a java exploit01:46
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Elsidoxtopyli, woops gnomefiles.org01:47
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topyliElsidox: yeah, i've stumbled on gnomefiles once or twice01:47
membreya_I love proof of concepts01:47
membreya_it's how the first s60 viruses was displayed :)01:47
Elsidoxtopyli, great site =)01:47
Amaranthlunitik: Well, GTK is made by the same folks.01:47
Elsidoxi still cant play mp3s or anything eles. I use to be able to.01:47
NermalElsidox, riaa been round ?01:47
topyliElsidox: i gave up on finding a proper cd burner some time ago though, and just compiled xcdroast against gtk2 :)01:48
lunitikAmaranth: its really not though... it was made by the GIMP folks...01:48
ElsidoxNermal, i doubt lol01:48
lunitikAmaranth: hence 'GIMP ToolKit01:48
Elsidoxtopyli, i think xcdroast is fugly =)01:48
Elsidoxwell i must be on my way01:48
Elsidoxcya everyone01:48
topyliElsidox: it's ok, it just has LOTS of buttons01:48
elfdoes anyone know how to install limewire?01:49
thenukeelf: with apt?01:49
lunitikelf: 'apt-get install limewire'?01:49
membreya_sleeper: list of viruses :)01:49
elfwell i have the .bin file01:50
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lunitikAh... actually... Limewire apparently isn't in Ubuntu  :(01:50
elfit keeps on asking for a virtual machine...01:50
topylielf: that's their own installer. run it01:50
lunitikelf: ok... go to java.sun.com and install it?01:50
elfive been struggling with installing java for ages01:51
membreya_or www.blackdown.org/net/com ...can't remember :)01:51
VjazIs it possible to burn a CD image with Nautilus?01:51
membreya_I found it easier to use blackdown01:51
Nermalelf, one sec01:51
elfi got it to run in mozilla but i dont know how to get the vm01:51
Nermalelf, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre01:51
lunitikmembreya_: blackdown tends to be outdated  :/01:51
topylielf: get java-package from debian and build a debian package from your bin file01:51
elfhow do u build a deb from bin01:52
lunitiktopyli: that adds complexity imo01:52
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Nermaltopyli, or just follow the 7 commands or so in the howto :)01:53
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membreya_lunitik: is that a huuuge problem? :)01:53
topylilunitik: perhaps it does. but the system is neater if you roll packages from everything instead of just installing imo01:53
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lunitikelf: 'chmod +x jre[tab] ' from java dir... hit q and type 'yes'... mv jre1[tab]  /usr ... ln -s /usr/jre[tab] /plugins/i386/[tab] /[tab]  /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins01:54
lunitikelf: exactly how you do it  8)01:54
lunitikelf: bah... forgot './jre[tab] ' after chmod command01:55
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VjazOoohh.... burning a CD image is actually quite easy with Nautilus.01:55
topyliperhaps ln -s /usr/jre.../bin/java /usr/bin01:55
VjazIntuitive, I might say.01:55
elfive done that01:55
evarlastoverly intuitive even :)01:55
elfive set up my firefox java01:55
lunitiktopyli: hmm... that might be useful for him... heh01:55
topylievarlast: yeah, all we need is ability to make audio cds01:56
topyliwith it01:56
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elfjava works perfectly in firefox.....01:56
evarlasttopyli: yes, and I'd like the ability to edit the audio wavform right in the recording app ;)01:56
Nermalelf, so read the howto I sent you01:56
lunitikelf: after what I just said?01:56
lunitikelf: not do what topyli said01:56
Nermalpeter@ubuntu:~$ java -version01:57
Nermaljava version "1.5.0_01"01:57
lunitiklinking the java binary file to /usr/bin01:57
Nermal^ worked for me :)01:57
Nermalhttp://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire perhaps for the full thing01:58
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Nermalor just emerge gtk-gnutella :)01:58
Nermalapt-get install gtk-gnutella :)01:58
Nermal*cough* *hide*01:58
elfi have javasablevm installed....whats that?01:58
membreya_Nermal: yup...symlinking it worked for me too :)01:58
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dudwild guess.... gentoo-fugitive?01:58
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membreya_rather than bothering with exporting path01:59
Nermalthey found me!01:59
^S^can any1 give me a quick tip on how to fix some translations strings for portuguese? quick fix01:59
membreya_mmmm sweet sweet nicotine *drools*01:59
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membreyanot me !02:01
membreyaI love my cigarettes...I figured it was either kill someone or kill myself..with nicotine I can kill a lot of people AND reduce my life sentence02:01
lunitikmembreya: most just smoke cuz its easier than quiting... at least you thought it out  :P02:02
membreyahrm....gnome is automatically loading an old version of gaim ...how do I find out where the old version is so I can kill it02:03
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lunitikmembreya: dpkg -l gaim02:03
da_bon_bonhiya all02:03
CarlK^S^ pm me02:03
topylilunitik: quitting is easy. i've quit ten times at least ;)02:03
lunitiktopyli: you didn't quit if you started again... you just took a break02:04
membreyalunitic..does that remove the old version? :|02:04
membreyalol topyli :P02:04
lunitikmembreya: that lists instances of gaim  :/02:04
membreyaI'll quit when I quit my job02:04
topylilunitik: no, i seriously quit. how was i to know i would start again in a week or two? :)02:04
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wezzeris there any other good burning softwares than k3b?02:05
wezzer(it broke my gnome last time)02:05
membreyalunitik: it lists only the one instance...yet when I load gnome it loads the old version :|02:05
da_bon_bonwezzer: gnomebaker, graveman02:05
lunitiktopyli: gah... I 'quit' for 2 months before... 4 months... couple of single months... I still smoke though, so I didn't really quit02:05
wezzergnomebaker sounds cool 8)02:05
wezzerI'll google it02:05
lunitikmembreya: dpkg -L gaim | grep bin02:06
membreyada_bon_bon: graveman doesn't have a 64bit port :(02:06
topyliwezzer: my newfound favorite is gnomebaker. there's even ubuntu packages. although so far i've only tried it one time but it did work :)02:06
wezzerit looks nice02:06
da_bon_bonmembreya: gnomebaker... eroaster ?02:06
wezzerI'll try it out right away02:06
membreyagah...it only lists the one version..this is just annoying.. i might totally remove it02:06
wezzerthanks for the tip da_bon_bon :)02:06
CarlKgnomebaker - how does that compare to Krecipes ?02:07
lunitikCarlK: umm... not at all?02:07
LinuxJonesCarlK, gnomebaker is very promising :)02:07
topylida_bon_bon: eroaster seems unmaintained and broken (at least on debian)02:07
topylii used to love it02:07
lunitikCarlK: Krecipes = cook book thingy... GnomeBaker = CD Burning util02:08
membreyalunitik: I just marked it for complete removal in synaptic..so now I only have the version I've compiled02:08
wezzerumm, can I burn audio cd's with gnomebaker?02:08
wezzerit says it can copy them02:08
da_bon_bontopyli: gnomebaker works /great/ for me.02:08
elfyay Limewire is working!!!!!02:09
topylida_bon_bon: seems to work here too02:09
elfcheers every1 thanks for the help02:09
membreyayay elf :)02:09
membreyabbiab....gotta watch tv with the girlfriend *rolls his eyes*02:09
topyliwezzer: seems to me there's an audio cd tab02:09
LinuxJonesmembreya, Days of Our Lives is not so bad :D02:10
wezzertopyli: ok02:10
membreyaLinuxJones: ...jerry springer then the pretender actually :(02:10
wezzergnomebaker sounds very promising then02:10
LinuxJonesmembreya, heh I feel your pain :)02:10
lunitikwezzer: anything is better than "but where's k3b'  :/02:11
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topyliwezzer: it has a file browser like k3b but drag&drop from nautilus seems to work too (unlike k3b of course)02:11
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wezzerjust compiled it02:12
wezzerlooks nice02:12
da_bon_bonwezzer: what ?02:12
lunitiktopyli: you said gnomebaker was in ubuntu? I don't see it02:12
wezzerthanks for the tip :)02:12
topylilunitik: it's not in ubuntu but there are packages floating at the ubuntu wiki02:12
da_bon_boncompiled what ?02:13
da_bon_bonlunitik: not in repos. of hoary. in warty, yes02:13
wezzerhow about dvd-r9 - does gnomebaker support it?02:13
wezzerI mean dual-layer dvd's02:13
lunitikda_bon_bon: why would they drop it between warty and hoary if its decent?02:13
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evarlasttopyli: last time I tried, D&D from nautilus did work to k3b02:14
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da_bon_bonlunitik: actually, it isnt in the warty repos too. - download it from the web page02:14
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chasei have a very newbee question :-( ive just installed ubuntu on my machine.02:14
chaseWhats the default root password? so i can go in and change it02:14
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topylievarlast: really? smart02:14
lunitikda_bon_bon: I don't need a GUI burner that bad  ;)02:14
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da_bon_bonchase: sudo passwd sets it02:14