[12:01] <empe> what does ubuntu use to refresh your desktop..i have to always reload
[12:01] <schneiko> refresh desktop?
[12:01] <garfield> empe, what about other folders, any problems with update there?
[12:01] <empe> if i save something to desktop..i have to reload
[12:01] <empe> everyfolder in gnome
[12:02] <garfield> nautilus connects to famd (file alteration monitor daemon), so the problem has probably got to do with that
[12:03] <empe> ahh.okay..thats what i needed..fam
[12:03] <garfield> but it should be okay with default Ubuntu install as far as I know
[12:04] <schneiko> do you have an idea about my resolv-problem? why does it take so much time for the ubuntu-client to resolv a host name?
[12:04] <WW> Can anyone help me to get gFTP working?  sftp works fine in the command line, but I'd like to get this gui working.
[12:05] <minimec> schneiko: did you configure you internet connection with ifup/ifdown?
[12:06] <garfield> WW, when you say command line do you mean scp?
[12:06] <schneiko> minimec: no, the connection is configured at the debian-server
[12:07] <shadeofgrey> hey everybody -- i just wanted to thank everybody here and elsewhere in the ubuntu community for helping me get my ubuntu installastion working the way i want
[12:07] <Pluk> congrats :)
[12:07] <minimec> schneiko: I had the same problem with my wlan. when I configured it manually with ifconfig, route ... it worked. I have no idea why.
[12:07] <shadeofgrey> i have a great desktop system now - and its because all of you helped me.  and i have to say...  bitch slapping billy gates has been a highlight of my year
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> most definately
[12:08] <dud> heh
[12:08] <WW> garfield: Nope, sftp.  I suspect it uses ssh, but the command is called sftp.
[12:08] <schneiko> minimec, it worked fine for a while. but now the lookup needs too long. but ONLY at the client, not at the server
[12:08] <carajean> what media player has streaming video and music like winamp???
[12:08] <minimec> schneiko: how did you configure the client?
[12:08] <shadeofgrey> carajean:  xmms
[12:09] <carajean> how do i get to it
[12:09] <JDahl> carajean, mplayer is my favourite
[12:09] <garfield> WW, which error do you get in gFTP?
[12:09] <schneiko> minimec: the installer configured the client - the nameserver is 192.186.0.1 (debian server)
[12:09] <shadeofgrey> carajean: apt-install xmms* or mplayer - but youll need steamer.08 to use mp3s
[12:10] <minimec> schneiko: I am not sure that this is an dns problem. I think, it is a route problem.
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> JDahl:  thanks for all your help brother.
[12:10] <anTiX> apt-get install <package> ?
[12:10] <schneiko> minimec, where should i look for the problem?
[12:10] <carajean> no i have xmms installed but i dont know where to go to get to the streaming stuff.  and i dotn know if i have streamer .08
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> antix:  yes but you have to make sure you have good source files for universe (synaptic)
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> cara:  try installing it - if its already present it'll tell you.
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> cara:  ...believe me - i was just there a few days ago
[12:11] <garfield> WW, btw you can just use nautilus for sftp
[12:11] <Pyre> Nite
[12:12] <WW> garfield: If I try to use the SSH2 protocol, I get "Opening SSH connection to ..." and then "Running program ssh -e none ... <more stuff>...", and then it just sits there and never connects.
[12:12] <minimec> schneiko: good question. try to stop the connection with sudo ifdown eth0.
[12:12] <shadeofgrey> does karamba run under gnome or do you HAVE to run KDE?
[12:12] <minimec> schneiko: then configure the connection manually.
[12:12] <garfield> WW, either File->Connect to server and select SSH or just use ssh://user@site or sftp://user@site
[12:12] <zhukov_> hello
[12:12] <housetier> shadeofgrey karamba runs under gnome
[12:12] <garfield> but that's for nautilus of course
[12:13] <housetier> shadeofgrey and gnome programs will run under kde as well :)
[12:13] <apokryphos> Just not with the same speed, of course.
[12:13] <carajean> apt-get streamer.08
[12:13] <carajean> E: Invalid operation streamer.08
[12:13] <zhukov_> anyone managed to share a printer(winXP) to use in Ubuntu? Followed tuttorials and the max i can do is send the jobs to the printer...no printing at all...
[12:13] <carajean> i got that when i tried to fetch it
[12:14] <apokryphos> carajean: Should you be searching for *g*streamer?
[12:15] <WW> garfield: Strange that gFTP is not cooperating.  I'll take a look at nautilus.
[12:15] <jdub> carajean: apt-cache search gstreamer
[12:16] <dnlien> Anyone know anything about adding Xterm support to Ubuntu, I am admitedly a noob
[12:16] <WeirdAl> This nick's registered :-O
[12:16] <WW> garfield: In the "Connect to Server" window in nautilus, what is it asking for in the "Folder" and "Name to use for connection" fields?
[12:16] <carajean> ok i got a lot of output for gstreamer so im guessing i have it?
[12:17] <ktech> any of you knows where can I download a hoary live-cd?
[12:17] <Anubis> 99% [6 Packages gzip 0]  [5 Sources bzip2 626688]  [Connecting to ftp.nerim.net (62.4.16.80)] 
[12:17] <Anubis> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[12:17] <JDahl> dnlien, what do you mean - do you want an old-fashioned xterm? you can just install it if you're unhappy with gnome's terminal
[12:17] <zhukov_> ...no one?
[12:17] <Jahooty> hello
[12:18] <dnlien> JDahl...well, my problem is, when I ssh, i can not interact with the menus on an application residing on an another Linux box
[12:18] <garfield> WW, gFTP kind of suck, but I believe you can fix if you really want with another path in FTP->Settings->SSH->SSH2 server path
[12:18] <Jahooty> i have a question about kernel sources for an amd64
[12:19] <Jahooty> 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic is what uname -a returns
[12:19] <garfield> WW, it depends on where sftp-server is located on the server, on Gentoo it is /usr/lib/misc/
[12:20] <WW> garfield: Hmmm... why does sftp "just work" from the command line, I wonder?
[12:20] <JDahl> dnlien, you probably mean exporting X11 via ssh? You need to change the configuration of the gdm for that - it's disabled for security reasons by default
[12:20] <garfield> uses another path or something I guess
[12:21] <WW> garfield: I sort of assume it uses a sane set of defaults.
[12:21] <Jahooty> actually...how can i get hoary?
[12:22] <Jahooty> does anyone know?
[12:22] <GammaRay> dnlien: the menus?
[12:22] <dnlien> yes
[12:22] <dnlien> I can not interact with them
[12:22] <GammaRay> I'm not sure what that mean.. you don't get the appsa
[12:22] <garfield> WW, I can't really figure why either
[12:22] <apokryphos> Jahooty: From warty, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:22] <GammaRay> I'm not sure what that mean.. you can't access the apps menu?
[12:22] <dnlien> no, I get the visual representation
[12:23] <ompaul> Jahooty, lots of people know to go to cdimage.ubuntu.com but they are not telling you [Doh!]  ;-)
[12:23] <dnlien> I see the menus, but the frame does not support interaction with, for example, a file menu
[12:23] <Jahooty> i have no internet connection
[12:23] <WW> Anyone know of a gui ftp app that actual works in warty?   :)
[12:23] <JDahl> WW, nautilus
[12:23] <Jahooty> which is the problem.  since warty doesn't install kernel sources by default i can't compile drivers for my wireless devices
[12:23] <apokryphos> WW: What about good ol' konqi?
[12:24] <misha> gftp works well !
[12:24] <garfield> WW, maybe it is just us who's stupid I don't know... btw, try checking FTP->Settings->SSH->Use SSH2 subsystem and just blank the path set before
[12:24] <ompaul> Jahooty, well you will have to find someone who will (A) download a copy and (B) burn you a copy
[12:24] <GammaRay> dnlien: which apps?
[12:24] <apokryphos> ompaul: Is there a hoary iso?
[12:24] <misha> Gftp !!!
[12:24] <dnlien> well, I am using a rarely used app known as PVS, it's a verification software
[12:24] <ompaul> apokryphos, it is array 5
[12:24] <WW> garfield: I may not not the correct settings, but that doesn't mean I'm stupid! :)
[12:24] <dnlien> I am remoting into a linux cluster
[12:25] <dnlien> and, i can not seem to interact with xterm support for menus that the software offers
[12:25] <minimec> TestDummy: feedback?
[12:25] <dnlien> and, JDahl was kind enough to suggest that it might be a configuration change required for security
[12:26] <ompaul> apokryphos, have a look here and tell me -->>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-5/      :)
[12:26] <TestDummy> Heh, well I learned something while tying to get it to work
[12:26] <JDahl> dnlien, are you trying to connect to a different server with ssh, but you cannot any X11 gfx - only a dumb terminal? then you should be asking someone (who knows more about it than me) how to export X11 gfx via ssh using public keys
[12:26] <dnlien> but, was not aware of what to change and where
[12:26] <GammaRay> dnlien: so this is a curses app.. and you are trying w/ the mouse?
[12:26] <minimec> TestDummy: so it worked?
[12:26] <TestDummy> I don't know if it's my modem or the network cable, but it has a faulty conenction
[12:26] <apokryphos> ompaul: Ah yes, of course. Cool.
[12:26] <Jahooty> does hoary come with any wireless drivers by default?
[12:26] <TestDummy> I have to wiggle it to get it to work then it still doesn't notice it
[12:26] <TestDummy> =|
[12:27] <dnlien> yes, just as JDahl suggested, I need to export x11 gfx via ssh using a public key
[12:27] <TestDummy> Is there any way to do it with USB?
[12:27] <TestDummy> I've done it easily with SuSE before..
[12:27] <audix> I'm having trouble installing Amarok 1.2 with warty, as in apt-get dependency problems... anybody familiar with this?
[12:27] <WW> garfield: It worked!  I set the "Use SSH2 SFTP subsys" at you suggested, and finally got it to connect.
[12:27] <minimec> TestDummy: Well. If your usb hardware is recognized by the system. it's the same.
[12:27] <WW> garfield: Thanks!
[12:27] <garfield> WW, :)
[12:28] <TestDummy> Well, my mouse and keyboard are USB, notices those just fine
[12:28] <dnlien> and yes, GammaRay, the cursir aoos
[12:28] <TestDummy> It just doesn't notice the modem connected by USB
[12:28] <yojimbo> Is anyone using an Intel SRCS14L SATA RAID card with Ubuntu? The gdth driver works fine, but Intel's userspace tools (storcon, iircfg, srcd) all claim to be unable to detect the device ...
[12:28] <TestDummy> And I don't know how to set up the network for a USB modem
[12:28] <audix> It's complaining about the version of kdelibs4... is it possible I just have the wrong repositories?
[12:28] <dnlien> can not access menus with mouse or keystrokes
[12:28] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help installing acrobat reader
[12:28] <TestDummy> SuSE reffered to my modem as eth-usb or whatever. Ubuntu doesn't see it at all
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> i tried apt-get install acroread and that didnt work - it said it was under a different package name
[12:29] <xvers> hey.. what's the command to configure xfree?
[12:29] <apokryphos> audix: Didn't try it in Warty, but it's certainly running smoothly on hoary.
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> whats the command does anybody know?
[12:29] <yojimbo> xvers: dpkg-reconfiure xserver-xfree86 ?
[12:29] <audix> apokryphos: I see... maybe I should switch to Hoary then
[12:29] <apokryphos> audix: Very good idea. You'll have kde 3.3.2, too.
[12:29] <audix> apokryphos: Is it simple to upgrade, or is it more like a reinstall?
[12:29] <yojimbo> shadeofgrey - acroread is in the multiverse repository, isn't it? Mine never worked - missing dependancies. I use xpdf instead
[12:30] <minimec> TestDummy: Probably Ubuntu has no driver for your usb hardware. You have to install the driver. Normally you can download a driver on the net, then you have to install it.
[12:30] <apokryphos> audix: It's an upgrade. Only takes one command. :)
[12:30] <xvers> i want to change the resolutions, my desired res. isnt displayed in screen res.
[12:30] <TestDummy> My modem manufacturere doesn't make Linux drivers.
[12:30] <zhukov_> Anyone can help were...?Printer sharing...
[12:30] <audix> apokryphos: Wonderful, so do I just use apt-get, or what?
[12:30] <apokryphos> xvers: Yup, you cand o that from that configuration.
[12:30] <TestDummy> Blah
[12:30] <dnlien> anyone know anything about x11 graphics when remoting via ssh?
[12:30] <fridge> hi there, I've recently installed a DVB card, it shows up as being recognised in dmesg, but the devices in /dev/ won't appear
[12:30] <apokryphos> audix: Change your sources.list, and then a simple apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:30] <fridge> can someone give me a clue as to how the dev mapper stuff works?
[12:30] <xvers> apokryphos: what command do i use?
[12:31] <apokryphos> audix: see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:31] <audix> apokryphos: thx
[12:31] <apokryphos> xvers: The aforementioned one, dpkg-reconfigure... if it worked
[12:31] <wdh> dnlien, what about it?
[12:31] <yojimbo> dnlien - you must enable X11Forwarding in the remote ssh server as well as request it with "ssh -X" from the client
[12:31] <xvers> apokryphos: thanks
[12:31] <GammaRay> dnlien: when running the app try.. TERM=xterm app-name
[12:32] <wdh> dnlien, for some applications "ssh -XY" is required..
[12:32] <yojimbo> man ssh
[12:32] <apokryphos> xvers: have you got warty or hoary installed? Later arrays of hoary come with xorg by default.
[12:32] <yojimbo> oops :-) sry
[12:32] <dnlien> yojimbo, or anyone, is it possible to edit a configuration file so that I do not have to manually type every time the -x
[12:32] <dnlien> to allow it by default, i mean
[12:32] <wdh> dnlien, yes.. add the proper alias to .bashrc in your homedir
[12:33] <yojimbo> dnlien, yes just set up a ~/.ssh/config file for it. See 'man ssh_config' iirc
[12:33] <GammaRay> umm
[12:33] <xvers> apokryphos: i have warty
[12:33] <GammaRay> dnlien: /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[12:33] <apokryphos> xvers: ok
[12:33] <xvers> apokryphos: dpkg -reconfigure xfree86 doesnt seem to work
[12:33] <wdh> dnlien, as you see, there are multiple solutions for it :)
[12:33] <yojimbo> gammaray, that enables it for all users - it might be safer to use ~/.ssh/config to restrict the change to just one user.
[12:34] <apokryphos> xvers: I don't think that's the package name. One sec.
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> okay i have another question
[12:34] <wdh> dnlien, i think the alias is the easiest way..
[12:34] <yojimbo> xvers - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:34] <JDahl> yojimbo, gammaray, dont you also need to change "disallowTCP=true" in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf?
[12:34] <xvers> yojimbo: thanks, let me try
[12:35] <apokryphos> xvers: Perhaps it's xfree
[12:35] <apokryphos> whoops
[12:35] <shadeofgrey> when i unpack the acrobat reader .tar.gz it has a file marked in green that says install...  how do i run it?  because typing just 'install' gives an error saying not enough arguments
[12:35] <christopher_> hey my network tools in applications/system has a problem
[12:35] <apokryphos> xvers: Perhaps it's xserver-xfree86 I mean
[12:35] <yojimbo> jdahl: ? I was talking about X sessions over ssh. not running login sessionswith gdm ... did I miss something?
[12:35] <christopher_> it askes me for my password and then i type my password it says wrong password
[12:35] <shadeofgrey> JDahl:  you wouldnt happen to know what the acrobat reader package name for apt-get is would you?  i tried acroread and that didntwork
[12:36] <shadeofgrey> neither did acroread-plugin
[12:36] <dnlien> no, I intend to simply run an x session over ssh
[12:36] <GammaRay> JDahl: why would you?
[12:36] <xvers> apokryphos: thanks, its working
[12:36] <apokryphos> cool
[12:36] <GammaRay> JDahl: maybe for X -query
[12:36] <yojimbo> dnlien: do you know if the remote server will allow you to request X forwarding in the first place? some don't
[12:36] <JDahl> yojimbo, if disallowTCP=true is set on the server, can you still use ssh -X from the client?
[12:36] <wdh> dnlien, just add 'alias ssh=ssh -XY' to the end of your personal .bashrc file
[12:36] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, you just install it with "sudo ./install"
[12:36] <wdh> but first try it one time using the -X option manually :)
[12:37] <mjr> the X server does not need to listen TCP in order for ssh forwarding to work
[12:37] <yojimbo> jdahl - ssh is unrelated to GDM in this question, as far as I can soo. So "yes" :-)
[12:37] <wdh> yojimbo, HAS A POINT.. :)
[12:37] <christopher_> when i try to configure a network device like the one im using, it tells me the correct password is invalid
[12:37] <dnlien> thank you
[12:37] <wdh> sorry for the caps :S
[12:38] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, I like xpdf better
[12:39] <christopher_> how do you share an internet connection
[12:39] <christopher_> do you need a router?
[12:39] <christopher_> i have 2 network cards
[12:39] <yojimbo> so, nobody ising Intel tools to control a gdth-driven Intel SRCS14L then ... :-(
[12:39] <christopher_> ethernet
[12:39] <dnlien> thank you all
[12:39] <apokryphos> christopher_: You don't need one, but it is far more convenient with one.
[12:39] <dnlien> for all the help
[12:39] <christopher_> apokryphos, ok but it is possible with 2 ethernet cards?
[12:39] <dnlien> specifically wdh, yojimbo and Jdahl
[12:40] <wdh> dnlien, yw
[12:40] <apokryphos> christopher_: You just need to make a network, have one computer connecting to the Internet. The other will get the connection from the former.
[12:40] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, but the general way to search for packages is "apt-cache search <search expr>", and also handy dpkg -S <package> to see what files an installed package provides
[12:40] <minimec> christopher_: It's possible. You need iptables ro masq and route.
[12:40] <shadeofgrey> okay i tried to install xpdf and it sdays its already the newest version...  so i assume that means its already installed?
[12:41] <shadeofgrey> how do i find it if its not already in my apps menu?
[12:41] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, sorry - dpkg -L <package> to list files, -S for search
[12:41] <minimec> christopher_: try the bastille-firewall software, wich is in fact some kind of GUI for iptables.
[12:41] <christopher_> apokryphos, ok you see its strange cuz when i try to configure network device in applications/system tools when it asks me for my password, itll tell me invalid pass, when its the right password
[12:42] <TestMAD> is the current build of ubuntu compatible with my AMD64 3800+ Newcastle?
[12:42] <GammaRay> christopher_: ipkungfu is a nice router/firewall package
[12:42] <zhukov_> hey c'mon guys give me a hand
[12:42] <christopher_> minimec, k ill try it now
[12:42] <apokryphos> christopher_: What is this the password for? Accessing the network?
[12:42] <apokryphos> You're putting in your root password, right?
[12:42] <yojimbo> christopher_, what happens if you try to run gnome-nettool directly from a command line?
[12:42] <christopher_> apokryphos, no its the sudo password its asking me for
[12:43] <christopher_> apokryphos, when you run the applications/system/network tools then configure a network device what happens?
[12:43] <minimec> christopher_: It is some kind of 'question answer game', you will see. But it works... :-)
[12:43] <apokryphos> christopher_: Can't try, since I don't use Gnome.
[12:43] <TestMAD> does anyone know?
[12:44] <christopher_> GammaRay, thats the deb package right?
[12:44] <yojimbo> ww - isn't wsquared actually 4u ? :-) double u times double u = 4 u ?
[12:44] <christopher_> apokryphos, gotcha damn... well it is telling me the right password is wrong... a little fustrating
[12:45] <WW> yojimbo: Sure, but WW or Wsquared is less typing than "Utothefourthpower"
[12:45] <apokryphos> christopher_: Right, I got the program. Doesn't request a password, but I can't configure anything neither.
[12:45] <apokryphos> christopher_: Any idea what the command is to run it?
[12:45] <yojimbo> christopher: try running the underlying command gnome-nettool from the command line
[12:45] <kent> TestMAD, have you checked the homapege about?  Im pretty sure the normal ubuntu will work, and there might even be an iso for amd64 if you look. though, im very sure it wont turn up on irc ;)
[12:45] <yojimbo> or even use sudo to get a root shell first (sudo -s) then gnome-nettool
[12:46] <TestMAD> umm..they said it works for AMD64(hammer)
[12:46] <TestMAD> so i was thinking that meant hammer cores only.
[12:46] <minimec> christopher_: sudo network-admin
[12:46] <TestMAD> i just wanted to make sure.
[12:46] <WW> If I connect to a remote server with Nautilus, should it actually be able to open the file directly through the connect (i.e. "Open with..." will work), or do I have to save it locally first?
[12:46] <kent> TestMAD, well, is there an amd64 iso, then it should work. I mean, they did not make two incompatible versions of amd64 did they?
[12:47] <TestMAD> no..
[12:47] <TestMAD> but there 3 cores.
[12:47] <TestMAD> well 2..but the 3rd is being released soon
[12:47] <yojimbo> TestMAD: is there a live CD for amd?
[12:47] <TestMAD> and they're not all that different from each other
[12:47] <apokryphos> christopher_: I found another, probably related program. You might wanna try it... sudo network-admin
[12:47] <kent> that might be so, but they aren't incompatible right? i meen, it would be stupid to develop thre cores that wont run the same binaries right?
[12:47] <TestMAD> dunno.
[12:48] <TestMAD> they are compatible tho
[12:48] <TestMAD> i know this for sure
[12:48] <gellpak> question: this is my third day ever using linux of any sort, and im trying to install ati display drivers. it wants me to compile a kernel. where can i get kernel source and which do i have/should i get?
[12:48] <Zitter> hi, stupid question, just for curiosity: who spend those money to ship ubuntu in place all over the world? I've ordered some CDs from website and friend of mine asks me this question
[12:48] <kent> TestMAD, http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/  take the amd64 iso.
[12:49] <yojimbo> gellpak: apt-get install linux-source, for a start
[12:49] <TestMAD> this is gonna be horrible..im on dialup
[12:49] <TestMAD> lol
[12:49] <yojimbo> Zitter : Canonical Ltd spend the money. They have enough to space :-)
[12:49] <yojimbo> literally :-)
[12:50] <kent> Zitter, some one with lots of monny whom perhaps thinks that there in the future is not room enough for many distros and that getting marketshare now is a good thing for future economy of canonical? ;)  Or perhaps just some one who is very kind on giving away stuff for free ;)
[12:50] <WW> yojimbo: Interesting typo...
[12:50] <yojimbo> ww: agreed :-) appropriate
[12:51] <WW> yojimbo: I wish I had enough to space!
[12:51] <Jahooty> how come ubuntus implementation of grub doesn't allow dual booting?
[12:51] <TestMAD> thnx for the help
[12:51] <Chipzz> Jahooty: it does. I dual boot
[12:52] <monkey89> in hoary, I installed samba but windows network doesn't show the other computers on my network, any ideas?
[12:52] <yojimbo> jahooty: it does allow it, but the warty installer gets things wrong.
[12:52] <CarlK> monkey89 - long shot - workgroup setting
[12:52] <Jahooty> ahh, ok.  is hte hoary installer better for that?
[12:52] <monkey89> CarlK: i just found out where to change it, one sec
[12:52] <Chipzz> monkey89: I got similar problems, need to fill out a domain on servers where no domain is configured
[12:52] <yojimbo> jahooty - I really hope so!
[12:53] <Chipzz> Jahooty: it is
[12:53] <yojimbo> monkey89: windows browsing needs over 15 minutes to gather a list of machines - have you waited?
[12:53] <monkey89> hehe'
[12:53] <monkey89> my machine just popped up
[12:53] <Jahooty> can i set grub to dual boot once im booted into warty?
[12:54] <yojimbo> chipzz: all SMB systems have either a workgroup or a domain, that can't have nothing ... try "workgroup" as the name
[12:54] <yojimbo> jahooty: yes, you'll have to consult the FAQ to find out how
[12:54] <Jahooty> cool
[12:54] <Jahooty> thanks
[12:55] <Chipzz> yojimbo: I still think its a bug - if it found the server in the first place, it knows the workgroup, right?
[12:55] <wdh> if i would want to totally reinstall ubuntu and come back with exactly the same configuration, what would i need to save?
[12:55] <minimec> monkey89: did you find the solution to change the names in the computer menu?
[12:55] <Zitter> ok thanks, nite
[12:55] <yojimbo> chipzz: perhaps it is - but you can use "smbclient -L //servername" to see what the remote machine's config is
[12:55] <borgista> wdh, i would think everything in your /home folder. including the hidden stuff.
[12:55] <gellpak> yojimbo: installed linux-source, now how do i proceed to get kernel-source, and which one?
[12:55] <yojimbo> that might help you out
[12:55] <monkey89> minimec: it wasn't great, but I renamed the directory from /media/hdb1 to /media/Backup
[12:56] <borgista> gellpak...type uname -r, in a terminal
[12:56] <monkey89> best I could do
[12:56] <borgista> that's your kernel #
[12:56] <Chipzz> you shouldn't have too - that server didn 't need a workgroup in gnome 2.6
[12:56] <yojimbo> gellpack - look in /usr/src, you'll see a large tra file, which needs to be manually unpacked
[12:56] <minimec> monkey89: Well it worked :-)
[12:56] <yojimbo> s/tra/tar/
[12:56] <gellpak> ok
[12:56] <monkey89> there's gotta be a better way though, I now it
[12:56] <monkey89> know*
[12:56] <yojimbo> gellpak: then install ... umm ... kernel-package, I think
[12:56] <minimec> monkey89: You edit the fstab
[12:56] <wdh> borgista, i think i would require more.. /etc for example.. and a list of all packages maybe? so i could automate installation of all of them...
[12:57] <monkey89> minimec, yeah, tons of times
[12:57] <monkey89> even managed to crash the computer by trying to umount it
[12:57] <borgista> well then wdh, apparently i don't know that well.
[12:57] <monkey89> dont know why
[12:57] <gellpak> how do i extract a bz2?
[12:57] <monkey89> tar -xjf file
[12:57] <wdh> borgista, ok.. i'll search some debian infor for it..
[12:57] <GammaRay> tar xvjf
[12:57] <yojimbo> gellpak: tar jxf linus-source*
[12:57] <monkey89> (v is verbose, shows the files being extracted)
[12:57] <minimec> monkey89: so do a link on hdb1 and edit the fstab to pint to the link.
[12:57] <GammaRay> the j is the important bit
[12:57] <monkey89> eh, too lazy, it works now
[12:57] <gellpak> ok
[12:58] <Chipzz> wdh: dpkg --get-selections
[12:58] <monkey89> but i appreciate the help
[12:58] <minimec> monkey89: :-)
[12:58] <monkey89> there's def. a clean way to do it
[12:58] <Chipzz> save that output to a file
[12:58] <monkey89> since the cdrom drive are /media/cdrom0 but show up as "CD-ROM 1"
[12:58] <yojimbo> then, cd into it, "make config" (or make menuconfig, but you'll need to install libncurses5-dev first iirc)
[12:58] <Chipzz> and import it later with dpkg --set-selections
[12:58] <CarlK> warty on toshiba 2800, /usr/lib/gdmplay /usr/share/sounds/question.wav loops forever
[12:58] <wdh> Chipzz, thx.. that'll get me started..
[12:59] <minimec> monkey89: that's true. I don't see any reason, that an 'fstab edit' souldn't work.
[12:59] <fridge> anyone here use a NOVA-T card?
[12:59] <CarlK> im guessing any wav file will do that
[12:59] <yojimbo> then make-kpkg kernel-image ... that will leave a new .deb file for your new kernel
[12:59] <monkey89> minimec, so what are you suggesting, linking /media/hdc1 to /media/Backup Drive and referring fstab to Backup Drive?
[01:00] <yojimbo> which you can install with dpkg -i whatever.deb :-)
[01:00] <minimec> monkey89: why not?
[01:00] <wdh> yojimbo, doesnt ubuntu use initrd by default?
[01:00] <monkey89> not very clean :P
[01:00] <yojimbo> whd: don't know - I think it's nice and optional :-)
[01:00] <wdh> which implies that you could use 'make-kpkg -i'
[01:00] <yojimbo> whd: that might be better ... I've never looked into it.
[01:01] <minimec> monkey89: but even without link it should work, I agree with you.
[01:01] <yojimbo> it would probably work though
[01:01] <monkey89> anways, the windows networking is bugged
[01:01] <wdh> yojimbo, me neither :P i just noticed it worked _with_ the initrd bit.. dont know if it does without
[01:01] <monkey89> every time i start the shared folders panel to configure it, it freezes for 10 seconds and gets messed up
[01:01] <monkey89> and starts 3 new smbd processes
[01:03] <CarlK> what is the URL of that package search page?
[01:04] <IgD> i tried to install ubuntu amd-64 "warty" to my external 10 gb USB drive...  it seemed to install fine from the bootcd.  when i rebooted i got a kernel panic error.  something about pivot_root: no such file or dir.  then it just seemed to hang.  any idea what happened
[01:05] <wdh> IgD, maybe you need to specify some boot-options?? did you look into that at boottime?
[01:05] <Tzi> Hi =)
[01:05] <IgD> well when it was booting, it said hit esc for a menu.  i did so and there were several options.  i tried botting into "recovery mood" but got same result
[01:06] <Tzi> Does anyone know why no removable disks appear on my desktop, even though they're brought up in a nautilus window?  I have the appropriate gconf key on
[01:06] <Tzi> Using latest Hoary
[01:07] <christopher_> how do you configure a wireless device?
[01:07] <wdh> CarlK, http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=ubuntu+packages
[01:07] <Tzi> christopher_: iwconfig, the command line tool...
[01:07] <IgD> any1 have an idea what is giong on with my problem
[01:07] <minimec> christopher_: wich wireless hardware?
[01:07] <CarlK> thats the one... thanks wdh
[01:10] <gellpak> ok im attempting to run a make-kpkg command on my linux source but it hits me with an error to the effect of "your'e using --revision flag with 2.6.8.1-3 but changelog exists and has a different value" and stops
[01:10] <gellpak> this is my second attempt to run it. should i delete that changelog?
[01:11] <christopher_> minimec, its a wifi card, a netware G
[01:12] <christopher_> minimec, that iwconfig looks a little tricky =o) im not too savy with the network stuff yet, but i have a friend over and we wanna share my connection with his laptop
[01:12] <minimec> christopher_: so the card is working?
[01:13] <minimec> christopher_: what does sudo iwconfig say?
[01:15] <christopher_> minimec, lo        no wireless extensions.
[01:15] <christopher_> ath0      IEEE 802.11  ESSID:"ray"
[01:15] <christopher_>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.427GHz  Access Point: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
[01:15] <christopher_>           Bit Rate:1Mb/s   Tx-Power:50 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
[01:15] <christopher_>           Retry:off   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[01:15] <christopher_>           Encryption key:off
[01:15] <christopher_>           Power Management:off
[01:15] <christopher_>           Link Quality=16/94  Signal level=-79 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
[01:15] <Assassinater> hey
[01:15] <christopher_>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[01:15] <christopher_>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[01:15] <christopher_> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[01:15] <Assassinater> how do i change the resoulution?
[01:15] <christopher_> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[01:15] <Assassinater> how do i change the resoulution?
[01:15] <minimec> christopher_: so the wlan is ath0. ok let's configure it. :-)
[01:15] <gellpak> i'm trying to make=kpkg my linux source and it keeps telling me that .config has a missing separator. ideas?
[01:16] <minimec> christopher_: where do you have problems?
[01:16] <christopher_> minimec, umm how would i set up my card as an access point so that he could connect to me and use my internet connection
[01:17] <Assassinater> someone help
[01:17] <christopher_> Assassinater, is it computer/system config/change resol?
[01:18] <christopher_> Assassinater, is it computer/system config/screen resolution
[01:18] <christopher_> *
[01:18] <CarlK> how can I tell if a box has esound or polyaudio ?
[01:18] <PoW> How do I take a screenshot of my desktop in KDE?
[01:18] <minimec> christopher_: sudo iwconfig ath0 essid master
[01:18] <Riddell> PoW: ksnapshot
[01:19] <christopher_> minimec, k
[01:19] <CarlK> PoW - Computer, "Take Screenshot" (which probaly calls ksnapshot
[01:19] <christopher_> minimec, what does that do
[01:19] <minimec> christopher_: the card should work as access point now. :-)
[01:20] <christopher_> minimec, wow cool, whats the network name? and stuff
[01:20] <PoW> hmmm
[01:20] <christopher_> minimec, how would i put a password
[01:20] <christopher_> minimec, like wep or something
[01:21] <PoW> I dont see ksnapshot anywhere =x
[01:22] <minimec> christopher_: 'sudo iwconfig ath0 key s: thisismykeyab [1] ' You have to use 13 letters for strong encryption.
[01:23] <christopher_> minimec, with the bracket thing [1] ? is that wep incryption?
[01:24] <minimec> christopher_: that means first key. You can have different keys.
[01:24] <minimec> christopher_: 's:' means that the keyword is in letters.
[01:25] <Sandman> Does ubuntu have autoconfiguration tools? For example, to setup a DHCP server and NAT on windows, all you must do is enable ICS. Nothing else
[01:25] <Sandman> Just works.
[01:25] <christopher_> minimec, sudo iwconfig ath0 key s: christopherlo [1] 
[01:25] <christopher_> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[01:25] <christopher_>     invalid argument "s:".
[01:25] <Sandman> Can this be done with Ubuntu? Or at least something nearly as effective?
[01:25] <wil> hi
[01:25] <minimec> christopher_: Hmmm....
[01:26] <christopher_> minimec, lets forget the key for now
[01:26] <wil> I tried a apt-get update to get Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020)] /dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  .  I've never gotten this problem.
[01:26] <christopher_> minimec, hes not seeing an available network to connect to
[01:26] <christopher_> should i open a port?
[01:27] <wil> so I hashed out the CD line in sources.list and everythign is fine.  Anyuone had this problem?
[01:27] <christopher_> minimec, how do i name the network
[01:27] <christopher_> minimec, ok i see it in the man page
[01:28] <Dreamer3> anyone use elinks?
[01:28] <Dreamer3> i get a funny error unless i run it as roto :(
[01:28] <minimec> christopher_: link quality=16/94 So the card found the other card. You can use the kismet software. It's a sniffer software, to look for other wlan's
[01:28] <Dreamer3> ERROR at interlink.c:444: connect() failed: 13 (Permission denied)
[01:29] <minimec> christopher_: ok.
[01:30] <_tester_> can anybody give me the full path to sshd on their ubuntu. My ubuntu system doesnt have an ssh binary :(
[01:30] <christopher_> minimec, ok ill look for that kismet software
[01:31] <CarlK> _tester_ /usr/bin/ssh
[01:31] <CarlK> duh.. .d
[01:31] <CarlK> _tester_ /usr/sbin/sshd
[01:31] <christopher_> minimec, what do you mean link quality?
[01:32] <chillywi1ly> hey my mixer applet is b0rked
[01:32] <piratePenguin> how do I view quicktime movies inside a browser (epiphany/firefox) in ubuntu? what do I need?
[01:32] <fridge> mozilla-mplayer-plugin may do it
[01:32] <piratePenguin> I'll try it.. thanks
[01:33] <SiRrUs> good evening
[01:33] <BrianAnthony> Sys_Error: Unable to initialize OpenGL
[01:33] <BrianAnthony> why am I getting that error
[01:33] <_tester_> thank you CarlK
[01:33] <_tester_> my ubuntu really really doesnt have sshd :( :(
[01:34] <BrianAnthony> is there a package for opengl
[01:34] <CarlK> _tester_ - did you do a server install?
[01:34] <CarlK> _tester_ I did and had to isntall openssh or something like that
[01:34] <christopher_> minimec, the other guy is using a windows laptop
[01:34] <_tester_> Carlk I did the single CD instal
[01:34] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[01:35] <CarlK> _tester_ - well, I have done one warty and one huey, so im not exacly an expert
[01:35] <_tester_> so i should do an 'apt-get install sshd' or something like that?
[01:35] <shock> im running elinks
[01:35] <shock> but no error
[01:35] <SiRrUs> _tester_ check in synaptic
[01:35] <minimec> christopher_: the sudo iwconfig result the was the line Link Quality 16/94. You had a connection with the windows laptop!
[01:36] <chillywi1ly> anyone else's mixer applet b0rked?
[01:36] <chillywi1ly> latest dist-upgrade on hoary
[01:36] <CarlK> _tester_ - openssh-server
[01:36] <wdh> _tester_, i believe it was 'sudo apt-get install sshd-server'
[01:36] <chillywi1ly> nope, openssh-server
[01:36] <wdh> or the thing CarlK says :)
[01:36] <CarlK> chillywi1ly - i wish that was the only problem
[01:37] <chillywi1ly> CarlK: what other problems are you having?
[01:37] <christopher_> minimec, no, he didnt even have it out before you told me that command with "master" in it
[01:37] <chillywi1ly> is there anything like apt-listbugs for ubuntu?
[01:37] <SiRrUs> _tester_ try ssh you may find its installed allready
[01:37] <neighborlee> atm i'm using fedora core3 disk to rescue ( since I had to reinstall XP ) my ubuntu content..doing : grub-install /dev/hda is complaining about a BIOS error...is there a ubuntu CD rescue mode ( I'm thinking thats the problem ) ???
[01:37] <mseney> sitting here looking at my suse 9.2 server and thinking about trying ubuntu on it???? arghhh should i or shouldn't I???
[01:38] <CarlK> chillywi1ly - I have a few - for openers, "aplay anything.wav" loops forever
[01:38] <wdh> chillywi1ly, search for it please..
[01:38] <Dave2|Laptop> I've gone over the links in the topic, but I've not seen anything about this; is Xorg 6.8.2 planned to be included in Ubuntu Hoary, or am I out of luck/will have to find 3rd party debs?
[01:38] <_tester_> SiRrUS + CarlK  : ssh is there, but sshd is not
[01:38] <chillywi1ly> wdh: already installing it
[01:38] <chillywi1ly> so hush ;)
[01:38] <wdh> :P
[01:38] <lupusBE> I'm compiling gtk+ cvs with cairo support
[01:38] <SiRrUs> _tester_ so typing ssh should work for you
[01:38] <minimec> christopher_: your card can be master (access point), managed (the card is looking for an access point) ore ad-hoc (you directly connect to the other computer.
[01:38] <CarlK> not to mention that I can't figure out how to make pretty wiki pages ;)
[01:38] <lupusBE> I'm curious if my system still works :)
[01:39] <wdh> chillywi1ly, its just anoying people asking thing that most of us need to look up as well
[01:39] <chillywi1ly> CarlK: is this all to do with using polypaudio instead of esound?
[01:39] <CarlK> but here is a dump of the content https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:39] <christopher_> minimec, i never connect to him
[01:39] <chillywi1ly> wdh: annoy this
[01:39] <wdh> chillywi1ly, but no offence :)
[01:39] <CarlK> chillywi1ly - I started with esound, installed polly, no difference
[01:39] <christopher_> minimec, he doesnt see my computer the available wireless network connections
[01:39] <carajean> is there a way to update the nvidia drivers???
[01:40] <chillywi1ly> danielb@frodo:~$ ps aux | grep poly
[01:40] <chillywi1ly> danielb   8379  0.0  0.3   5552  3556 ?        Ss   08:14   0:00 /usr/bin/polypaudio
[01:40] <mseney> what app do you use in ubuntu for burning cd's that compares to k3b?
[01:40] <chillywi1ly> seems to be running
[01:40] <wdh> mseney, k3b? :P
[01:40] <tritium> mseney, I use graveman
[01:40] <christopher_> minimec, do i have to do any preliminary configuring? i just plugged this card in
[01:41] <OrangeSlice> why, cdrdao.
[01:41] <speel> hey any one knows how to change the splash screen?
[01:41] <minimec> christopher_: ok. lets keep it simple. Both of you configure the card in ad-hoc mode.
[01:41] <tritium> speel, that's described in the FAQ
[01:41] <wdh> mseney, why is that?
[01:41] <neighborlee> mseney: ubuntu is fine..dont be scared ;-=))
[01:41] <mseney> love my gui tools darn it but i dunno maybe i'll backup my data and try it
[01:41] <speel> ah ok thanks
[01:41] <minimec> christopher_: then you choose a channel and an essid. Both the same :-)
[01:42] <carajean> can anyone tell me how to update my nvidia drivers??
[01:42] <wdh> mseney, you can do pretty much anything in a gui as well as on a cli
[01:42] <neighborlee> mseney: gnome 2.8 rocks and so does ubuntu ;-))..( kde is available if thats your pleasure..its installable via synaptic)
[01:42] <mseney> how would you compare it w/ suse 92?
[01:42] <mseney> less crud or ?
[01:42] <OrangeSlice> Gnome 2.9.1 is nice ;)
[01:42] <neighborlee> mseney: well..for one its free <G>
[01:43] <mseney> i haven't used gnome since 2.4
[01:43] <neighborlee> mseney: beyond that we could get into a flame war ..heh
[01:43] <mseney> yeah i don't wanna spark one of those
[01:43] <tritium> carajean, update?
[01:43] <neighborlee> lol
[01:43] <chillywi1ly> No volume control elements and/or devices found
[01:43] <monkey89> how do I configure a printer?  gnome-cups-manager doesn't show any as being locally detected
[01:43] <chillywi1ly> when I try to add the volume control to my panel
[01:44] <mseney> i used debian awhile back and i guess have gotten lazy, maybe i should put it on to try and learn linux better.
[01:44] <tritium> monkey89, was it turned on at boot?
[01:44] <monkey89> was what
[01:44] <neighborlee> mseney: yeah you'll really like it I think...
[01:44] <monkey89> the printer? yeah
[01:44] <monkey89> i have a /dev/lp0
[01:44] <christopher_> minimec, hey scroll back up you told me essid master it should have been mode master right
[01:44] <carajean> yeah the 66.29 drivers are out and the ones i apt-get where the 6111
[01:44] <christopher_> ?
[01:44] <mseney> okay im gonna move the stuff off my suse server onto this machine and give it a whirl
[01:44] <tritium> monkey89, okay.  printer needs to be on when /etc/init.d/cupsys is run for it to be detected by cups
[01:44] <mseney> bb in awhile
[01:44] <monkey89> tritium, it was
[01:45] <neighborlee> kewl..cu soon
[01:45] <tritium> okay
[01:45] <tritium> monkey89, what kind?
[01:45] <Dreamer3> well, well, how is hoary coming?
[01:45] <monkey89> deskjet842c, its worked before (i'm in hoary now and not sure how to do this the clean way)
[01:45] <Dreamer3> safe yet?
[01:45] <thenuke> I wonder if it is unwise to use BreakMyUbuntu -repositories?
[01:45] <neighborlee> heh
[01:45] <tritium> carajean, you are using Warty?
[01:45] <chillywi1ly> any way to search for a specific bug in a package?
[01:46] <neighborlee> thenuke:which one(s) do you mean
[01:46] <chillywi1ly> erm, search for a bug in a specific package
[01:46] <tritium> chillywi1ly, use the package as the search term
[01:46] <thenuke> neighborlee: well, I think that there is not many of those :O www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/
[01:46] <carajean> i dont even know
[01:46] <carajean> im using a old ubuntu i took from a friend
[01:47] <SiRrUs> Dreamer3 safe?  :)
[01:47] <monkey89> i just got my remote printer working with hpoj, but my local one isn't :(
[01:47] <carajean> version 4.10 if that helps
[01:47] <tritium> carajean, yes, that's Warty.  If you upgrade to Hoary, you'll get the 6629 version.
[01:47] <mike998> is there a gnome panel applet that will allow me to control my xmms?
[01:48] <goldfish> gdesklets
[01:48] <goldfish> or something
[01:48] <goldfish> has an xmms thingy
[01:48] <carajean> oh so there is no other way to get the 66.29?
[01:48] <mike998> nah... haven't had much luck with gdesklets
[01:48] <goldfish> ah right
[01:48] <Pluk> gxmms?
[01:48] <goldfish> oooh
[01:48] <Pluk> it says its a gnome applet
[01:48] <mike998> I don't really like gdesklets... I install it once in a while to try, but still have it
[01:48] <mike998> ohhh gxmms
[01:48] <mike998> hang on
[01:48] <tritium> mike998, apt-cache search xmms.  One of the results is a gdesklets thing
[01:49] <CarlK> aplay train.wav goes Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! untill I hit ^C.... this also causes the endless bongos on boot.
[01:49] <Pluk> gdesklets isnt an applet?
[01:49] <mike998> tritium: cheers, but I don't really like gdesklets
[01:49] <chillywi1ly> all my favorite desklets are now broken
[01:49] <tritium> mike998, well, you can see what else turns up in the search, I guess.
[01:50] <neighborlee> thenuke: oh haha ic...well being careful to watch for problem apt-gets you may well not see problems..then again backports are new software backported so shrug on that one..your mileage may vary <G>...its all bleeding edge so <G>
[01:50] <mike998> the one that Pluck reccomended shows up... I will give that a try
[01:50] <chillywi1ly> I think they changed the API
[01:50] <Pluk> you mean the LT desklets chillywi1ly
[01:50] <chillywi1ly> yep
[01:50] <CarlK> speaker-test made noise but also errored - http://paste.phpfi.com/52011
[01:50] <mike998> this will make package 1001 according to Synaptic
[01:50] <Pluk> LT havens been updated for a while now ive heard
[01:51] <thenuke> neighborlee: yeap :) I guess I will not go for it, because I'm not that guru yet so I could fix the problems easily
[01:51] <wdh> anyone has any luck with using enlightenment as gnome's window manager?
[01:53] <neighborlee> thenuke: agreed id wait...you can always break things later lol
[01:53] <mike998> just the thing... cheers
[01:53] <neighborlee> wdh: nah..Idont use E anymore as I found it a bit buggy..but kewl...
[01:54] <mike998> thenuke: no better way to be a guru than to break stuff and fix it... i tell that to my students all the time
[01:54] <neighborlee> wdh: accessing the menus was sometimes buggy and that bothered me some so...I blew it off
[01:54] <neighborlee> mike998:heh how true....
[01:54] <neighborlee> prob. best on a non-crucial partition though ..haha
[01:54] <mike998> that's how I got to be such a linux goat
[01:54] <wdh> neighborlee, i like to give buggy things a try later on :) sometimes things tend to get better
[01:54] <mike998> uhh gnu
[01:54] <mike998> uhhh goat
[01:54] <mike998> dammit
[01:54] <mike998> guru?
[01:54] <marcin_ant> hi guys - I'm looking for Apache Tomcat packages for ubuntu could you help me and tell if they are available somewhere?
[01:54] <mike998> yeah...
[01:55] <thenuke> mike998: that is true also
[01:55] <neighborlee> wdh: yup
[01:55] <bestadvocate> yo persones
[01:55] <bestadvocate> anyone using jukebox hoary?
[01:55] <mike998> thenuke: but seriously, I have run with FreeBSD for a while and that's how learned a lot of the stuff that I know now
[01:55] <chillywi1ly> I am a penGNUin
[01:55] <thenuke> and those backports might not be so unstable even as I thought, as I am reading more about it from here http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:55] <tritium> marcin_ant, "apt-cache search tomcat" didn't come up with anything?
[01:55] <gellpak> where can i download module-assistant
[01:55] <gellpak> ?
[01:55] <bestadvocate> chillywilly: lol thats cool
[01:55] <chillywi1ly> holy shnikies
[01:56] <mike998> the backports and hoary aren't all that unstable if you ask me... I have had some problems with OpenOffice crashing but that's it
[01:56] <marcin_ant> tritium: nope
[01:56] <marcin_ant> tritium: there is something but not what I need
[01:56] <tritium> marcin_ant, I see 4 packages in that search.  I'm using Hoary with universe and multiverse.  What are you using?
[01:57] <marcin_ant> tritium: as I said these packages are related to apache tomcat
[01:57] <tritium> okay, just asking
[01:57] <marcin_ant> tritium: but they don't contain tomcat itself
[01:58] <bestadvocate> actually I ment to ask, is anyone using rythmbox hoary?
[01:58] <chillywi1ly> ask and ye shall receive
[01:58] <tritium> bestadvocate, I am
[01:58] <neighborlee> bb
[01:58] <chillywi1ly> bugzilla is such a PITA
[01:58] <monkey89> ok, it might help to have my printer plugged in to print stuff
[01:58] <monkey89> :/
[01:58] <tritium> monkey89, I asked you if it was ;)
[01:58] <thenuke> mike998: and I would have no problem with unstable app, what I meant was that I would not like it at all if there would come some weird dependency problems whatsoever which then would prevent me from using X or so on :D
[01:58] <monkey89> i thought it was
[01:59] <monkey89> i had an lp0
[01:59] <bestadvocate> tritium: have you had any problems with playing files? I get some error on "pipes" or something
[01:59] <CarlK> monkey89 - you should get one of those paperless printers
[01:59] <tritium> monkey89, run "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys"
[01:59] <thenuke> they did good job scaring me first ;) but as I read more, I think that there is not that much to worry
[01:59] <linuxn00b> Hey, I am behind a router but I was wondering if it's possible to setup an IDS server
[01:59] <monkey89> tritium, it works now, I added it
[01:59] <tritium> good deal
[01:59] <mike998> thenuke: never had that problem
[01:59] <tritium> bestadvocate, yes, if I don't kill and restart polypaudio, I have several problems
[02:00] <bestadvocate> is this a reported bug?
[02:00] <tritium> bestadvocate, oh, yes
[02:00] <thenuke> mike998: I had when I upgraded warty to hoary :)
[02:00] <tritium> definitely
[02:00] <mike998> actually I DID have some problems with I enabled the nerim.net respositories
[02:00] <mike998> thenuke: what repositories were you using>
[02:00] <chillywi1ly> Registry is nmot present or corrupted, please update it by running gst-register
[02:00] <thenuke> mike998: defaults
[02:00] <bestadvocate> trintium: cool then I wont worry about it, I have beep, but I have been trying to be active on reporting bugs
[02:00] <chillywi1ly> I didn't know my volume control was using gstreamer
[02:01] <mike998> actually to be honest, if you had any stability issues with haory, I would say that it was just because the repositories were in a state of flux
[02:01] <P229> does Ubuntu have SELinux as an option?
[02:01] <linuxn00b> anyone?
[02:01] <mike998> that's about the only time I have a problem
[02:01] <bestadvocate> linuxn00b: i have no idea sry
[02:01] <mike998> linuxn00b: what's up?
[02:02] <linuxn00b> mike998, hey nothing I just need a few project to do so I thought an IDS server would be cool :)
[02:02] <mike998> ah okay
[02:02] <Sandman> Does Ubuntu have frontends for settings things like a DHCP server up?
[02:02] <fridge> how about you feed starving children
[02:02] <fridge> there's a neat project!
[02:03] <mike998> I believe I have some leftovers stored inside you, fridge
[02:03] <carajean> how to make it so i have write permission to all my files and folders and hard dirves??
[02:03] <fridge> chmod -R 777 /
[02:03] <tritium> bestadvocate, if you have troubles, kill and restart polypaudio
[02:03] <CarlK> Sandman - in general, yes, but maybe not as much as in windows, but...
[02:03] <P229> carajean: don't do that
[02:03] <carajean> why??
[02:03] <mike998> that's gonna cause problemsQ
[02:03] <tritium> carajean, that is seriously a bad idea
[02:04] <mike998> carajean: WHY do you want to do that?
[02:04] <carajean> i just want to move a folder from one place to another and it says i dotn have permission
[02:04] <CarlK> Sandman - you can always edit the configs with a text editor, which ends up being easier once you become proficient with the options
[02:04] <P229> carajean: because it's a great way to break your system
[02:04] <mike998> carajean: use sudo
[02:04] <tritium> carajean, don't move system files
[02:04] <tux> is there any webcam support for ubuntu ?
[02:04] <carajean> its not a system file
[02:04] <tritium> tux, yes
[02:04] <tux> besides gnomemeeting
[02:04] <P229> carajean: who owns the file, and are you sure you want to move it?
[02:05] <carajean> yeah its just a world of warcraft file
[02:05] <tritium> tux, the linux kernel has several different modules for various webcams
[02:05] <mike998> carajean: use sudo to move the file
[02:05] <bestadvocate> tritium: I can't find polyaudio in top so but i got XMMS and BEEP working (too bad beep cant add xmms playlists)
[02:05] <marinela> I have a friend who is trying to make a new Ubuntu install with one catch -- he has a wireless network card and it's telling him that it can't configure a network interface. Any way for him to do this?
[02:05] <tritium> bestadvocate, are you using Hoary?
[02:05] <carajean> how to use sudo in the gui im new to linux
[02:06] <tux> arf arf arf
[02:06] <chillywi1ly> another funny thing is I don't hear the ubuntu startup music anymore either
[02:06] <mike998> carajean: try using the command line
[02:06] <tritium> carajean, how is it that you don't own the files currently?
[02:06] <tritium> who do they belong to?
[02:06] <tux> chillywi1ly, not funny, sounds just dont work
[02:06] <P229> mike998: carajean might not have to use sudo... if the file is marked readonly, but belongs to carajean's user, all carajean would have to do is change the permissions
[02:06] <chillywi1ly> and my mixer applet is b0rked, but the rest of the sound effects work
[02:06] <marinela> Please, someone? Any way of installing Ubuntu through a Wireless network card?
[02:06] <chillywi1ly> tux: not ALL of my sounds are b0rked though
[02:06] <tritium> chillywi1ly, when did that start?
[02:06] <mike998> P229: point taken... sometimes I use a hammer when a nudge would do
[02:07] <bestadvocate> tritium: yes but i think its my lack of knowledge of how to kill something thats getting in the way
[02:07] <chillywi1ly> tritium: after a dist-upgrade in which I let is yand esound out and install polypaudio
[02:07] <chillywi1ly> yank*
[02:07] <carajean> yeah i need to change permissions
[02:07] <tritium> chillywi1ly, that'll do it ;)
[02:07] <P229> mike998: yep, don't use su/sudo if you don't have to ;)
[02:07] <CarlK> chillywi1ly - got any tips that helped? (im collecitng tips for sound problems)
[02:07] <chillywi1ly> CarlK: I am going to try reinstalling esound
[02:08] <tritium> bestadvocate, if you're current, a recent dist-upgrade would have you using polypaudio instead of esd
[02:08] <Ainvar> whoa beep player is alot nicer than xmms
[02:08] <chillywi1ly> brb
[02:08] <Ainvar> how can I tell if I am using polyaudio?
[02:08] <tritium> i.e., if you've stayed current, your audio should have grown a big nasty polyp on it
[02:08] <P229> carajean: right-click on the file, select "properties" and go to the "permissions" tab
[02:08] <marinela> Please, someone? Any way of installing Ubuntu through a Wireless network card?
[02:08] <bestadvocate> Ainvar: its much cleaner interface, but less cool features pre-packaged
[02:08] <carajean> i did
[02:08] <P229> carajean: set permissions to read and write for owner
[02:08] <CarlK> marinela - yes.  you put the CD in and go
[02:08] <neighborlee> hi all..i'm trying to rescue my ubuntu system from having had to reinstall XP and you all know that means linux isn't available anymore..I went in with fedora rescue mode and did: grub-install /dev/hda...it errors out saying:  /dev/hda: doesn't have any corresponding BIOS drive..any ideas how to fix this ??? ;-))(sigh)
[02:09] <bestadvocate> tritium: im current, updated 20 min ago
[02:09] <CarlK> marinela - or do you mean a diskless setup?
[02:09] <carajean> ok cool that might fix it
[02:09] <tritium> Ainvar, pgrep polyp.  It it returns a PID, you're running it.
[02:09] <bestadvocate> trintium: says its installed in synaptic too
[02:09] <tux> ok let me rephrase, has anyone gotten their webcam working with msn or yahoo clients
[02:09] <chillywi1ly> did a sudo apt-get install esound and logged out then back in and now I have start up music but the mixer applet is still broken
[02:09] <tritium> bestadvocate, okay.
[02:10] <marinela> CarlK, it's telling him that there's no network interface found
[02:10] <mike998> tux: as far as I know video doesn't work with gaim
[02:10] <marinela> His network works fine in windows
[02:10] <mike998> I could be wrong...  (usually am)
[02:10] <marinela> But he can't even get to the base install in Ubuntu
[02:10] <tux> i know one can receive, but transmit is a problem
[02:10] <CarlK> tritium - warty box, apt-get install polypaudio, pgrep polyp shows nothing
[02:10] <P229> carajean: you'll also need write permissions in the place where you want to move it to
[02:10] <marinela> So I'm guessing it's the wireless card
[02:10] <tritium> mike998, say what?
[02:10] <Dreamer3> and/me yawns.
[02:11] <tritium> mike998, oh, you mean video conferencing?
[02:11] <Dreamer3> where is the hoary timeline at again?
[02:11] <tritium> that's correct
[02:11] <mike998> yes
[02:11] <mike998> gnome-meeting is another issue
[02:11] <CarlK> marinela - is the nic on this page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[02:11] <tux> checking for gdk-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gdk-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[02:11] <tux> whats gdk-2.0 , aint in synaptic
[02:12] <marinela> CarlK, no
[02:12] <marinela> But either way, he can't even get to the base install
[02:12] <chillywi1ly> graphic dawing kit or some shit
[02:12] <tritium> tux, you're building something?  libgdk
[02:12] <tux> cool
[02:12] <tritium> tux, -something
[02:12] <marinela> It's acting up right at the beginning
[02:13] <marinela> Of the install\
[02:13] <P229> anyone know if Ubuntu has SELinux available as an option?
[02:13] <tritium> CarlK, it won't get started until gnome-session is re-run
[02:13] <CarlK> Dreamer3 - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[02:14] <tritium> CarlK, or, you can start it manually
[02:14] <tux> its snowing, wohooo
[02:14] <kent> libgtk2.0-dev contains libgdk-files.
[02:14] <chillywi1ly> why is my mixer broken?
[02:14] <CarlK> tritium - reboot didnt start it, so how ?
[02:14] <tux> thx kent
[02:14] <tritium> P229, yes
[02:14] <Rene_S> You tried to use it making bread dough
[02:14] <Rene_S> breaks the mixer everytime
[02:14] <Rene_S> :)
[02:14] <tritium> CarlK, you're sure it's installed?  polypaudio
[02:14] <CarlK> polypaudio is already the newest version.
[02:15] <tritium> CarlK, okay.  just run polypaudio
[02:15] <marinela> CarlK, any ideas? =/
[02:15] <chillywi1ly> why did you guys move to polypaudio if it breaks everything?
[02:15] <thenuke> is there any reason for using upgrade instead of dist-upgrade :O
[02:15] <chillywi1ly> :)
[02:15] <tux> also one more quick question
[02:15] <P229> tritium: enabled or disabled by default?
[02:15] <tritium> thenuke, it's safer
[02:15] <CarlK> marinela - gonna need some error messages or something
[02:15] <thenuke> http://www.tuxme.com/node/315 in here, I am told to update && upgrade after majorly editing sources
[02:15] <thenuke> tritium: ah
[02:15] <tux> im trying to update nessus plugins a la, nessus-update-plugins
[02:15] <carajean> can anyone make sense of this line someone told me to type::  mount /mnt/cdrom && cp -Rf /mnt/cdrom/* ~/wow && umount /mnt/cdrom
[02:15] <thenuke> and seems like dist-upgrade wants to install some new packages as well
[02:16] <tux> and it says wget is not in path,
[02:16] <tux> or installed, which it is
[02:16] <thenuke> but I wonder why it wants to install those new pckgs..
[02:16] <carajean> he told me to type that before each game cd rom
[02:16] <tritium> thenuke, I only use dist-upgrade when something gets held back in an upgrade
[02:16] <CarlK> tritium - Welcome to polypaudio! Use "help" for usage information. - now what?
[02:16] <mike998> carajean: that makes sense
[02:16] <tritium> thenuke, and even then, I watch what it's going to install and remove
[02:16] <Assassinater> hey
[02:16] <tritium> thenuke, and I don't always allow it to happe
[02:16] <tritium> happen
[02:16] <carajean> what does it do when i type that is says cdrom already mounted
[02:16] <Assassinater> is icewm good?
[02:17] <Dreamer3> CarlK: thanks
[02:17] <tritium> carajean, yes
[02:17] <marinela> The error message is: "Configure the network. No network interfaces detected. No network interfaces were found. The installation subsystem was unable to find a network device. You may need to load a specific module for your network card, if you have one. For this, go back to the Network Hardware Detection step. 1) Go Back 2) Continue"
[02:17] <Assassinater> how do i install a WM?
[02:17] <tritium> CarlK, what is it you want to try?
[02:17] <CarlK> Dreamer3 - you're welcome
[02:17] <bestadvocate> tritium: out of curiosity how would one go about restarting polyaudio/killing it?
[02:17] <Assassinater> how do i install a WM?
[02:17] <tritium> bestadvocate, 1) polypaudio -k (the easiest, but not only way to kill it)
[02:17] <marinela> Assassinater, sudo apt-get install ice-wm
[02:17] <carajean> i dont see how that helps me install the game it just tells me the drive is mounted
[02:17] <marinela> After uncommenting universe
[02:17] <tritium> bestadvocate, 2) polypaudio
[02:17] <thenuke> tritium: with upgrade I wont now get k3b and abiword upgraded for example, I dont really understand why they would not be upgraded?
[02:18] <Assassinater> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:18] <Assassinater> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:18] <Assassinater> E: Couldn't find package ice-wm
[02:18] <tritium> thenuke, they're held back for various reasons
[02:18] <marinela> Assassinater, you have to uncomment universe
[02:18] <kbrooks> Assassinater, icewm.
[02:18] <marinela> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:18] <CarlK> tritium - not get this error http://paste.phpfi.com/52011
[02:18] <tritium> thenuke, try "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" to see what a dist-upgrade might do
[02:18] <marinela> Oh, or that :$ My bad
[02:18] <jimcooncat> quick q: Just used synaptic to install a kernel patch, do I have to reboot for it to take effect?
[02:18] <kbrooks> do you!
[02:18] <CarlK> jimcooncat - yes
[02:18] <kbrooks> of course!
[02:18] <jimcooncat> thanks!
[02:18] <tritium> jimcooncat, kernel patch?  You'll have to build a custom kernel to use it.
[02:18] <bestadvocate> tritium: thanks worked like a charm!
[02:19] <kbrooks> tritium, uhhh
[02:19] <tritium> bestadvocate, good :)
[02:19] <jimcooncat> thanks, tritium
[02:19] <kbrooks> tritium, untruez0r
[02:19] <marinela> ;_; Nobody?
[02:19] <Assassinater> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[02:19] <Assassinater> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[02:19] <tritium> kbrooks, a patch is source code changes
[02:19] <bestadvocate> I like beep but it doesnt work with my keybord shortcuts
[02:19] <Assassinater> it is uncommented
[02:19] <tritium> kbrooks, so it's true
[02:19] <tritium> jimcooncat, which patch?
[02:19] <chillywi1ly> lalallaa
[02:19] <thenuke> tritium: with -u I get the very same output
[02:19] <chillywi1ly> I want my startup music AND my frellin mixer applet ;)
[02:20] <jimcooncat> kernel-skas-patch for uml
[02:20] <tritium> thenuke, it should tell you what packages will be upgrade, etc.
[02:20] <Assassinater> so?
[02:20] <bestadvocate> chillywilly: lalalala indeed!
[02:20] <tritium> jimcooncat, yeah, you'll have to build your own kernel to use that patch
[02:20] <Assassinater> please help
[02:20] <tritium> patches don't just get auto-applied to binaries
[02:20] <tux> for those interested, got it working, also --> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[02:20] <thenuke> tritium: oh, I see that without -u too
[02:20] <tritium> thenuke, so, what's it going to do
[02:20] <tritium> ?
[02:21] <tritium> kbrooks, you see?
[02:21] <Ravage> stupid question.. did the setup really ask me for a root password?
[02:21] <tritium> Ravage, it should not have
[02:21] <Ravage> mkay
[02:21] <fridge> what I want to know is, what the hell are you supposed to type in when you boot into single user mode and it prompts you for a root password?
[02:22] <tritium> tux, did you build gaim-vv?
[02:22] <neighborlee> fridge: your user password is what its wanting ;-)
[02:22] <bestadvocate> assassinater: type apt-get install wmaker
[02:22] <CarlK> fridge - the root pw...
[02:22] <jimcooncat> thanks much tritium, don't know much about what synaptic does. new coming from gentoo
[02:22] <Ravage> same here
[02:22] <Ravage> :)
[02:22] <CarlK> neighborlee - user?
[02:22] <Assassinater> then?
[02:22] <tritium> jimcooncat, good, if you're from Gentoo, you have experiencing building kernels ;)
[02:22] <bestadvocate> assassinater: or use synaptic.   it should be on your list if you updated
[02:22] <Assassinater> best
[02:22] <Assassinater> i did that
[02:22] <neighborlee> CarlK: yes
[02:22] <Assassinater> now what?
[02:22] <jimcooncat> done a few, hosed a few :-)
[02:23] <tritium> jimcooncat, on debian-based systems, we recommend using kernel-package to build .deb packages of custom kernels
[02:23] <Assassinater> wmaker is what?
[02:23] <Ravage> and i think i'll go back to gentoo
[02:23] <chillywi1ly> kernel-package rules
[02:23] <Ravage> just testing on my 2nd pc
[02:23] <kbrooks> sorry
[02:23] <kbrooks> tritium, i see
[02:23] <bestadvocate> assassinator: thats like wm isnt it?
[02:23] <jimcooncat> anything to make life easier is appreciated.
[02:23] <tritium> kbrooks, it's cool
[02:23] <Assassinater> ok...
[02:24] <Chipzz> tritium: then someone should really update the wiki
[02:24] <jimcooncat> that's why I using ubuntu, and going to run gentoo in uml.
[02:24] <tritium> jimcooncat, it makes building kernels fairly simple.  After installing the package, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package
[02:24] <Ravage> mkay.. i must have typed something really stupid as root pass
[02:24] <tritium> Chipzz, the wiki does have a page on using kernel-package
[02:25] <Chipzz> tritium: btw what is the recommended way of getting patched sources? apt-get source linux-image or apt-get install kernel-source ?
[02:25] <Chipzz> tritium: the wiki page does have 5 pages on kernel building
[02:25] <Chipzz> all saying different things
[02:25] <Chipzz> s/does have/has/
[02:26] <tritium> Chipzz, linux-source includes ubuntu patches.  Beyond that, you'll need whatever patches you want.
[02:26] <tritium> so, neither linux-image or kernel-source
[02:26] <kbrooks> uml?
[02:26] <Chipzz> tritium: they both do, they just have different ways of patching stuff
[02:26] <Chipzz> kbrooks: user mode linux
[02:27] <tritium> Chipzz, no, linux-image is not source
[02:27] <kbrooks> and that is?
[02:27] <jimcooncat> user-mode-linux, not to be confused with diagramming software
[02:27] <tritium> Chipzz, you can use kernel-source, but that's got debian patches, not ubuntu
[02:27] <jimcooncat> runs linux within linux
[02:27] <kbrooks> and how do i do that
[02:27] <Chipzz> tritium: note that I said apt-get source linux-image and apt-get install kernel-source
[02:27] <jimcooncat> for instance I want to run gentoo within ubuntu
[02:27] <Chipzz> errr
[02:27] <Chipzz> sorry :)
[02:28] <Chipzz> what I meant is apt-get source linux-image and apt-get install linux-source
[02:28] <tritium> Chipzz, I see that.  However, what you really want is linux-source
[02:28] <kbrooks> Chipke, TYPO
[02:28] <Chipzz> tritium: I meant linux-source
[02:28] <Chipzz> but that doesn't answer my question
[02:28] <Chipzz> which of the above is the recommended way?
[02:29] <tritium> As I said, grab linux-source, and the patches you want
[02:29] <kbrooks> linux-source
[02:30] <kbrooks> what is it
[02:30] <Chipzz> the source is only at 26.10 but I need 2.6.11 because I want the alps driver :/
[02:30] <tritium> kbrooks, the linux kernel source code with ubuntu patches
[02:30] <derelm> hi, i am having severe problems installing ubuntu, somehow it cannot read oo.org packages on my newly burnt stable cd ...
[02:30] <derelm> how can i get root?
[02:30] <kbrooks> tritium, NOT THAT
[02:30] <derelm> sudo bash doesn't seem to work
[02:30] <Chipzz> derelm: sudo su -
[02:30] <tritium> kbrooks, don't yell dude
[02:30] <derelm> ah ok
[02:30] <gellpak> where can i get the libstdc++6 library?
[02:31] <kbrooks> what is linux-restricted
[02:31] <Assassinater> hey
[02:31] <kbrooks> i want uml
[02:31] <Chipzz> kbrooks: non-free modules
[02:31] <Assassinater> yo
[02:31] <Chipzz> nvidia for example
[02:31] <Assassinater> how do i install kde?
[02:31] <Assassinater> i tried doing apt-get install kde
[02:31] <CarlK> derelm - i got a tip to help you limp through... just a sec
[02:31] <derelm> Chipzz: btw can the system settings be used from inside a user-session? meaning, can a user run synaptic somehow?
[02:31] <Chipzz> derelm: sudo synaptic ?
[02:31] <kbrooks> Assassinater, .....
[02:32] <Assassinater> crap
[02:32] <Assassinater> nvm
[02:32] <bestadvocate> assassinater: dude you didnt like wm?
[02:32] <kbrooks> derelm,
[02:32] <kbrooks> synaptic
[02:32] <Assassinater> wmaker is wired
[02:32] <kbrooks> and thats it
[02:32] <kbrooks> Chipke, try it
[02:32] <tritium> Assassinater, in universe
[02:32] <derelm> but when i run it from my users startmenu it won't work
[02:32] <tritium> derelm, it should ask you for your password when run from the menu
[02:33] <bestadvocate> Assassinater, if your using x86_64 + hoary there is no functional KDE
[02:33] <bestadvocate> and mono
[02:33] <kbrooks> note: 'functional'
[02:33] <kbrooks> ...is in universe'
[02:33] <bestadvocate> kbrooks:?
[02:34] <tritium> thenuke, so what does the dist-upgrade want to do?
[02:34] <Assassinater> i want IceWm
[02:34] <Chipzz> what I'm trying to figure out is... what is the equivalent package for linux-restricted-modules like linux-source?
[02:34] <kbrooks> Assassinater, then enable universe
[02:34] <tritium> Chipzz, there's not one.  They're binary only.  That's why they're restricted.
[02:34] <Assassinater> i did wmaker it was wired
[02:34] <Chipzz> tritium: there is nvidia-kernel-source
[02:34] <Assassinater> icewm i want cause it looks cool
[02:35] <tritium> Chipzz, yes.
[02:35] <tritium> Chipzz, answer above still holds.
[02:35] <Chipzz> tritium: and the nvidia is not binary only
[02:35] <Chipzz> it has a restricted license
[02:35] <MacPlusG3> Chipzz: it is. they have a few source files and a big binary blob
[02:35] <Chipzz> the nvidia module comes with source, the opengl driver not
[02:35] <Chipzz> MacPlusG3: the kernel module is not, the opengl driver is
[02:35] <Chipzz> but I just want the kernel module
[02:35] <tritium> Chipzz, yes, but other drivers are binary only.
[02:35] <daniels> Chipzz: er, apt-get source linux-restricted-modules
[02:36] <CarlK> derelm - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD/
[02:36] <daniels> Chipzz: nvidia-kernel-source carries the kernel source for nvidia; there's fglrx also
[02:36] <Assassinater> i did enable universe
[02:36] <MacPlusG3> daniels: unless they've changed things in the past few years, there's a kernel binary blob for nvidia stuff, right?
[02:36] <Chipzz> daniels: but there is no such thing like _one_ source package for that?
[02:36] <derelm> argh, thanks everyone, i misinterpreted the password prompt that sudo gives, it wants my password, not a "not-set" root passwort
[02:36] <daniels> MacPlusG3: correct
[02:36] <CarlK> derelm  let me know if that does anything for you, and if I should add anything to it
[02:36] <daniels> Chipzz: 12:37 < daniels> Chipzz: er, apt-get source linux-restricted-modules
[02:37] <Chipzz> let me put it another way
[02:37] <MacPlusG3> Chipzz: ^
[02:37] <derelm> CarlK: thanks, but i think i'll do the online update
[02:37] <MacPlusG3> Chipzz: there is, for example, no way to get that module to run on ppc
[02:37] <Assassinater> i did enable universe what now?
[02:37] <HiddenWolf> Is there any half-decent ripper that lets one choose the format/bitrate to rip to?
[02:37] <Chipzz> linux-restricted-modules is 1 binary package, but is built from multiple source packages?
[02:37] <gellpak> while we're on the subject i've been trying to install fglrx for two days, anyone have experience with that?
[02:37] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - grip
[02:37] <MacPlusG3> HiddenWolf: grip is pretty customisable
[02:37] <kbrooks> HiddenWolf, cdrecord! use cdrecord
[02:37] <chillywi1ly> anyone care to help me try and figure out why the mixer applet and startup music has stopped working after installing polypaudio? :)
[02:38] <HiddenWolf> kbrooks: not looking to burn
[02:38] <Chipzz> or is apt-get source linux-restricted-modules used in conjuction with apt-get source linux-image ?
[02:38] <chillywi1ly> everything else sound-related works
[02:38] <dud> I use grip as well, excellent application for ripping cds
[02:38] <daniels> Chipzz: what?  no
[02:38] <daniels> Chipzz: linux-restricted-modules is one source package, that contains nvidia, fglrx, all that sort of thing
[02:38] <CarlK> kbrooks - might as well use http://krecipes.sourceforge.net for cd ripping ;)
[02:39] <daniels> Chipzz: it builds many binary packages (linux-restricted-modules for every kernel, nvidia-glx, xorg-driver-fglrx, etc)
[02:39] <Chipzz> daniels: you're mixing up 2 things here
[02:39] <kbrooks> ;)
[02:39] <Chipzz> daniels: you're mixing up apt-get source <apckage> and apt-get install <package-source>
[02:40] <carajean> does ubuntu automatically put icons on desktops??i chose the option but they never appear
[02:40] <gellpak> can i use the linux-restricted-modules package listed above to install my radeon9800 drivers?
[02:40] <Chipzz> linux-restricted-modules is a binary package
[02:40] <Chipzz> not a package containing source
[02:40] <tritium> right
[02:40] <HiddenWolf> What is the best codec to rip to, if you don't want to lose any of the quality of the original cd?
[02:40] <daniels> Chipzz: *sigh*, no
[02:40] <daniels> Chipzz: all binary packages are produced from a source package
[02:41] <daniels> Chipzz: apt-get source linux-restricted-modules is the source package for linux-restricted-modules, nvidia-glx, and friends
[02:41] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - .wav ;)
[02:41] <tritium> HiddenWolf, flac would work
[02:41] <daniels> Chipzz: running dpkg-buildpackage on it will give you all the packages that are built from l-r-m
[02:41] <chillywi1ly> you could use flac
[02:41] <daniels> Chipzz: apt-get install foo-source is not a generic thing and does not usually work
[02:41] <HiddenWolf> tritium: are there any comparisons around?
[02:41] <chillywi1ly> it's lossless compression
[02:41] <daniels> Chipzz: (trust me, I maintain linux-restricted-modules)
[02:41] <chillywi1ly> and a bit smaller tan .wav
[02:41] <chillywi1ly> than
[02:42] <Chipzz> daniels: I have built my own kernels on debian with make-kpkg and alsa and nvidia drivers allready
[02:42] <tritium> HiddenWolf, it sounds as good as the originals ;)
[02:42] <Chipzz> but I find the ubuntu way a little confusing
[02:42] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - Moose Pack!
[02:42] <HiddenWolf> tritium: and it's massive. :)
[02:42] <MacPlusG3> HiddenWolf: high quality Oggs will be indistinguishable unless you have really good sound gear and hearing
[02:42] <tritium> HiddenWolf, that's the price for using lossless compression
[02:43] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - check out http://musepack.net
[02:43] <chillywi1ly> HiddenWolf: http://flac.sourceforge.net/
[02:43] <derelm> btw, i thought ubuntu had a boot-splash (not grub-splash, as i don't use ubuntu's grub) but mine shows the more or less ugly starting services in text mode (although i have splash as a kernel command)
[02:43] <chillywi1ly> :P
[02:43] <tritium> comparing lossy codecs is very subjective.  psycoacoustics isn't very objectively measureable
[02:44] <CarlK> moose pack is way more fun to say than flac
[02:44] <pagefault> it's all personal preference
[02:44] <chillywi1ly> CarlK: don't give me any flac ;)
[02:44] <CarlK> exactly
[02:44] <pagefault> much like window managers
[02:45] <CarlK> and distros, and politics, and religion....
[02:45] <pagefault> yep
[02:45] <chillywi1ly> pfffft
[02:46] <chillywi1ly> nice nick
[02:47] <chillywi1ly> well this blows
[02:47] <shadeofgrey> is there a PPC version of the liveCD?
[02:47] <josue> i think so... i've got the warty PPC liveCD
[02:47] <Chipzz> daniels: where I'm going wrong is in assuming that linux-restricted-modules is built in conjunction with linux-image, which it's not, it's built seperately
[02:47] <kent> derelm, check out usplash on the ubuntu homepage.
[02:48] <tritium> shadeofgrey, yes, there's an Hoary LiveCD
[02:48] <Chipzz> nvidia-source is used in conjuction with kernel-source
[02:48] <daniels> Chipzz: right, it's not.  because linux-image is main, and l-r-m is in restricted.
[02:48] <Chipzz> (when building with make-kpkg)
[02:48] <shadeofgrey> tri:  can you give me the link to the powerPC live CD for  ubuntu?  i cant find it on google
[02:48] <Chipzz> daniels: I do find the description of nvidia-kernel-source a little confusing though
[02:49] <tritium> shadeofgrey, the latest daily build, or array-5?
[02:49] <daniels> Chipzz: please file a bug with a suggested improvement
[02:50] <shadeofgrey> whichever is better
[02:50] <tritium> shadeofgrey, you're okay with Hoary being in development?
[02:50] <Chipzz> daniels: how about appending "Use this package if you're building your own kernels with make-kpkg"?
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> and once again, i DONT want the install CD -- i need a PPC version of the LiveCD
[02:51] <daniels> Chipzz: as the entire description?
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> my boss at work wants to try it on his powerbook
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> im running the hoary version myself.  it runs fine
[02:51] <tritium> shadeofgrey, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[02:51] <shadeofgrey> hasnt crashed once
[02:51] <Chipzz> daniels: (I think it's confusing in that way that the current description suggests building your own kernel with make-kpkg is deprecated in some way - but maybe I'm just misinterpreting)
[02:51] <tritium> shadeofgrey, you can choose if you want the latest daily, or array
[02:51] <daniels> Chipzz: i think the disclaimer on it right now is alright; if you know enough to abandon security support and regular updates, i'd hope you knew how the kernel packaging mechanism works
[02:52] <Chipzz> daniels: no, appended to the current description :)
[02:52] <daniels> Chipzz: it's not deprecated, just that you shouldn't ever do it
[02:53] <derelm> kent: hmm, is it not activated by default? the standard installation left me with a grub command that appends splash to the kernels parameters ... so i thought ...
[02:53] <Chipzz> daniels: it's just that if I understand correctly, that package is not used to build the official modules)
[02:53] <shadeofgrey> okay im downloading it now...  heres my next question..  how do i burn the iso under linux?  ive never used my CD burner under ubuntu
[02:53] <HiddenWolf> ugh, how do I get the flac encoder installed?
[02:53] <shadeofgrey> can i just right click on the file and say Burn?
[02:53] <shadeofgrey> or do i have to mount the CDRW and then burn it?
[02:53] <shadeofgrey> does ubuntu come with a CD burning app?
[02:53] <Chipzz> nautilus can burn cd's
[02:53] <daniels> Chipzz: correct.  the official modules are built by the same source package (nvidia-kernel-source is a binary package).  l-r-m source builds l-r-m-* binaries and nvidia-*.
[02:53] <tritium> shadeofgrey, you should be able to right-click, and have nautilus burn it, yes
[02:54] <tritium> shadeofgrey, you can also try cdrecord, or graveman, for example
[02:55] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, install libflac6
[02:55] <CarlK> shadeofgrey - with k3b, you drag the files you want onto the "data cd" project
[02:55] <CarlK> then hit burn
[02:56] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, sorry flac
[02:56] <carajean> how to set up ubuntu to display icons automatically??
[02:56] <HiddenWolf> LinuxJones: got it, thanks
[02:56] <HiddenWolf> carajean: what do you mean?
[02:56] <mseney> neighborlee, it's currently installing. I took the pains to really partition the HDD instead of just using /  and swap partitions. i made a /boot / /data /swap /var and /log   total 3 primary and 3 logical
[02:56] <Ex-Cyber> where can I find out how to set up printing?
[02:57] <carajean> like i just installed a game and cliked create icon on desktop and i want to know will i work
[02:57] <carajean> ??
[02:57] <darmou> I'm trying to only gain access to a tab that is a member of hr_manager
[02:57] <darmou> I have the code "group_hr_manager" in portal.portal_membership.getAuthenticatedMember().getGroups()
[02:57] <mseney> bbl
[02:57] <darmou> but that creates an error for other pages
[02:58] <LinuxJones> Ex-Cyber, gnome-cups-manager
[02:58] <darmou> sorry an error is created if you are logged out or any other type of user
[02:58] <Ex-Cyber> LinuxJones: thanks
[02:59] <Chipzz> daniels: there's just one thing that confuses me... linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.11 contains drivers that aren't unpacked by when you run make menuconfig (they only get patched when building)... so what is the correct way of unpacking these so they show up in make menuconfig ?
[03:00] <darmou> oops sorry wrong channel
[03:00] <jedi> i have warty set up as a mail server for a domain that i own with some friends (using postfix with courier-imap). we want some kind of server side spam filtering... which package would be best? bogofilter? spamassassin?
[03:00] <tritium> darmou, I was wondering...
[03:00] <tritium> :)
[03:00] <daniels> Chipzz: don't know, i don't use a custom kernel so i don't have these problems
[03:01] <derelm> jedi: postfix itself can make use of some realtime blacklists, i think that would be the first thing to do
[03:01] <HiddenWolf> Doesn't flac have any support for tags?
[03:01] <tritium> holy smokes, grepero.  Long time no see.  (months ago in #debian, I believe)
[03:01] <jedi> derelm: thanks, i'll look into that
[03:02] <Chipzz> daniels: thx for the help anyway :)
[03:02] <daniels> np
[03:03] <Assassinater> hey
[03:03] <Assassinater> need help
[03:03] <Assassinater> the dam fonts are so small
[03:03] <jedi> Assassinater: hey, ask your question
[03:03] <jedi> lol
[03:03] <Assassinater> in IceWm
[03:04] <Assassinater> and i mean like
[03:04] <Assassinater> the title bar
[03:04] <Assassinater> and stuff
[03:04] <Assassinater> below the bar
[03:04] <Assassinater> like File
[03:04] <Assassinater> i tried going to control center no diff
[03:06] <Assassinater> help please
[03:06] <jedi> i doubt many of us here use IceWM
[03:07] <shadeofgrey> excyber:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:07] <monkey89> how do I disable the gpg authentication for apt
[03:07] <shadeofgrey> that willshow you just about everything you need to know about getting the most common stuff done.
[03:08] <LinuxJones> Does anybody know what happened to Kamion, I havn't seen him in IRC in like a month ?
[03:08] <shadeofgrey> thanks for all the help guys. i appreciate it
[03:08] <shadeofgrey> im out for the evening
[03:08] <shadeofgrey> take care everybody
[03:08] <tritium> shadeofgrey, see yo
[03:08] <tritium> you
[03:08] <LinuxJones> cya ;)
[03:09] <gellpak> problem: i'm running an amd64 chip and apparently need libstdc++6 to install my ati drivers... i see no amd64 version of this lib on debian. has anyone else had this problem?
[03:10] <delltony> question, is there a program that will make animated gifs in linux or will gimp do it?
[03:11] <Ex-Cyber> what can I do if the margins on my printer are wrong?
[03:11] <tritium> delltony, something in imagemagick might
[03:13] <IvyCQHome> msg nickserv identify 5994jaxx
[03:13] <IvyCQHome> msg nickserv identify 5994jaxx
[03:13] <monkey89> you're forgetting a /, now change the pass
[03:14] <delltony> ok ill take a look at it thanks
[03:14] <nix000> which imap/pop server would you guys recommend ?
[03:14] <HiddenWolf> Does Flac support tags?
[03:14] <OrangeSlice> yes
[03:16] <gellpak> wheres a good place to download libraries and scripts(that what they're called? such as module-assistant, etc)
[03:17] <CarlK> hoary is trying to install itself to a 514mb HD - shouldn't it have figured out that it isn't gona fit?
[03:18] <xvers> hey.. im running warty 64 bit, i need to donwload a c compiler, what do i apt-get? please
[03:19] <tritium> xvers, it's easiest to get build-essential
[03:19] <nix000> xvers, apt-get build-essential
[03:19] <LinuxJones> xvers, build-essential
[03:19] <xvers> thanks
[03:19] <xvers> sorry.. im new at this
[03:19] <tritium> no problem!  :)
[03:19] <LinuxJones> xvers, welcome aboard :)
[03:20] <xvers> thanks
[03:20] <delltony> tritium, i was looking in the dpkg -L for the program I need to execute is there a main program or do you just load say animate for example?
[03:21] <tritium> delltony, you probably just want to run animate from the command line.  take a look at the manaul page
[03:21] <chillywi1ly> yay, I fixed it all by reverting to ESD
[03:21] <tritium> delltony, nice work with dpkg -L !
[03:21] <delltony> i'm learning ;)
[03:21] <monkey89> oh thank goodness, aisleriot solitaire got improved in gnome 2.10
[03:21] <monkey89> now i can undo on game over! woooo
[03:21] <delltony> i ask questions in here alot but i try to retain it
[03:21] <delltony> and thanks
[03:21] <tritium> of course
[03:22] <tritium> delltony, I'm reading the man page myself.  I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for...
[03:22] <delltony> tritium, curious to know are the devs gonna add a easy way to add menus back to gnome or are we going to be forced to make the .desktop files by hand?
[03:23] <delltony> it doesn't look like it
[03:23] <delltony> i was looking for something that would take several images and make them into frames
[03:23] <delltony> much like animation shop for windows
[03:23] <CarlK> delltony - the imagemagick package will do it
[03:24] <fridge> mencoder can do that also
[03:24] <delltony> ok which man should i read then if you don't mind?
[03:24] <CarlK> oh yeah, and transcode
[03:24] <CarlK> delltony - check out convert
[03:24] <tritium> delltony, that should be fixed for Hoary's release
[03:24] <CarlK> delltony - do you want to make .gif or .mpeg?
[03:25] <delltony> wanted to make an animated gif
[03:25] <delltony> of some photos i have
[03:25] <delltony> hang on phone call sorry brb
[03:26] <xvers> "Parser perl module is required for intltool"  what do i do?
[03:26] <CarlK> delltony - convert will turn a bunch of images into an animated gif
[03:27] <delltony> ok will look got a client on the phone :( always happens
[03:28] <mseney> just finished installing ubuntu and for some reason bam X is messed up and won't start
[03:28] <aeruder> i was about to say the same thing mseney
[03:28] <aeruder> :)
[03:28] <mseney> you have the same problem?
[03:28] <aeruder> X seems to have some problems in hoary
[03:29] <mseney> ahh i see
[03:29] <tritium> aeruder, not really...
[03:29] <goldfish> i had trouble with it after installing warty
[03:29] <Levander> is there any easy way to see what packages are going to be included in hoary?
[03:30] <tritium> aeruder, are you using nvidia or ati drivers?
[03:30] <mseney> i just did a complete install for hoary. my card is an older nvidia.
[03:30] <SeanQ> Help! Major problem.
[03:30] <mseney> now if i remember right from a article i read root is disabled so how do i enable it so i can edit my /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[03:31] <tritium> mseney, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:31] <Levander> mseney, sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:31] <SeanQ> Should I boot into my old kernel if I just upgraded to hoary, or the new one created my hoary?
[03:31] <CarlK> mseney - I have hoary runing on a way old S1, 1meg card ;)
[03:31] <aeruder> i'm using xorg.conf drivers
[03:31] <photoguy41> can someone give me the name of the qt-lib files?
[03:31] <aeruder> actually, it looks like its just deprecation of xtt module
[03:31] <SeanQ> brb
[03:31] <delltony> ok CarlK back ill go look at convert right now thanks again
[03:31] <mseney> tritium, what will that do?
[03:31] <HiddenWolf> How can I disable autoplay for audio cd's?
[03:31] <aeruder> so if any of you guys have Load "xtt" you need to make sure that's not there :)
[03:31] <tritium> mseney, it will reconfigure X.org
[03:31] <Levander> photoguy41, try apt-cache search qt to find out
[03:31] <mseney> k will try and brb
[03:32] <regeya> animated gifs are simple in gimp, if that's what you'd like to do.  make a separate layer for each cell, then when that's done, go to Filter->Animation->Optimize (For GIF).  Changing the speed of the animation is as simple as changing the time values in parens on each layer.
[03:32] <tritium> HiddenWolf, in the Removable Storage settings.
[03:32] <delltony> aww so just do layer on top of layer on top of layer?
[03:32] <aeruder> any others having problems, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have a Load "xtt" change it to Load "freetype"
[03:33] <HiddenWolf> tritium: where are those?
[03:33] <regeya> yeah delltony...I'm betting there's a more automated way, but heh, when I do web banners, I need the control so I sorta haven't sought out a more automated way :-}
[03:33] <regeya> I'd also suggest scaling/converting the images to indexed
[03:34] <tritium> HiddenWolf, on hoary, it's System->Preferences->Removable Storage
[03:34] <tritium> HiddenWolf, perhaps under Computer in Warty
[03:34] <regeya> you could batch that with mogrify...someone who's used mogrify in the last couple of years could probably help you with the syntax
[03:36] <regeya> iirc imagemagick can do animated gifs, but I've never attempted it.
[03:38] <tritium> yeah, mogrify is part of imagemagick
[03:38] <regeya> I use 'mogrify' and 'convert' on occasion.  great lazy man's tool for batch jobs. :-D
[03:40] <tritium> the api is poorly documented, though, at least in C
[03:40] <goldfish> Is there a package to apt-get for viewing .chm files?
[03:41] <GammaRay> xchm
[03:41] <goldfish> thanks
[03:42] <GammaRay> though I perfer archmage myself
[03:42] <GammaRay> it extracts them
[03:42] <delltony> yeah i was doing a banner myself thats why i was asking but the idea works thanks
[03:42] <goldfish> oh right
[03:42] <goldfish> thank you
[03:44] <kaos> can someone help me figure out how to use this godamned thing to install shit
[03:45] <regeya> apt-get install shit
[03:45] <goldfish> heh
[03:46] <tritium> then, when you don't want it anymore, dpkg --purge bowels
[03:46] <goldfish> kaos: What do you want to install?
[03:46] <regeya> kaos, you know, rather than bursting onto IRC and impressing us with your charm and wit, why not start by giving us a more articulate summary of what seems to be the problem
[03:46] <regeya> if you've installed ubuntu and...what a dick
[03:47] <Pluk> im running vmware on ubuntu, and it set a bridge on eth0 but i want it to be on another interface, anybody know where to change it?
[03:47] <bretzel> Hi Who is able to change The banner in the Ubuntu channel , for changing  "Array 4 is released: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/" to array-5 ? because raay-5 is running far more better than array-4 8-)
[03:50] <goldfish> sudo /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password your_db_user_password
[03:50] <goldfish> does that mean mysqld will run as root?
[03:51] <goldfish> oh no
[03:51] <goldfish> sirry
[03:51] <goldfish> *sorry
[03:51] <bryanw> new to ubuntu here, when i go to download the distro is gives me a choice or 4.10, jigit, or warty.  Are 4.10 and warty the same.  If not what is the difference?
[03:51] <tritium> yes, 4.10 is Warty
[03:51] <mouche> what's jigit?
[03:51] <bryanw> ok thanks, man i can't spell tonight
[03:52] <tritium> mouche, for using jigdo
[03:53] <delltony> regeya, question you stated change the parm for each layer to change transition time on the image where is that exactly ?
[03:55] <elec_> how do i configuring /etc/apt/sources.lst for put http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/warty/ ?
[03:55] <thundrcleeze> What's jigdo/jigit?
[03:55] <tritium> jigdo was/is a way of assembling .iso images from .deb packages
[03:55] <goldfish> jigdo is a program
[03:55] <goldfish> hehe
[03:55] <gellpak> anyone have experience installing fglrx?
[03:57] <goli> how do you boot with the "noinotify" option? which files should i edit? google is not very helpful on this.
[03:57] <tritium> goli, you can edit the kopt in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:57] <[Spooky] > hello folks
[03:57] <goli> tritium, thanks
[03:57] <tritium> sure
[03:58] <tritium> goli, when you're done, run update-grub
[03:58] <goli> tritium, thanks again
[03:59] <tritium> np
[03:59] <lavigj> hey guys, can someone give me a hand ripping an ISO of a CD? I have tried dd if=/media/cdrom1 of=my_cd.iso but it is saying that /media/cdrom1 is a directory
[04:00] <ljlane> lavigj: /media/cdrom1 is a mount point. You want the acutal /dev/what, like /dev/hdc for example.
[04:01] <[Spooky] > lavigj: hm try sudo dd if=/dev/hdd 0f=my_cd.iso
[04:01] <lavigj> ljlane: ah, ok... feelin' kinda dume now but I follow :)
[04:01] <[Spooky] > lavigj: btw is it a bootable datacd ?
[04:01] <lavigj> [Spooky] : nope
[04:02] <[Spooky] > ok
[04:02] <lavigj> [Spooky] : just a data cd
[04:02] <[Spooky] > ok well then try on :)
[04:02] <dud> lavigj, mkisofs -o file.iso /path/
[04:02] <[Spooky] > mkisofs cant make from cds right ?
[04:03] <lavigj> dud: I thought about that too... I was trying to get the dd method to work. Thanks for all the help though! it's always nice to get more help than I know what to do with
[04:03] <lavigj> :)
[04:03] <dud> I've made iso's from a cd like that before
[04:03] <dud> when a cd is mounted, it doesnt differ much from a normal directory consering such applications
[04:03] <lavigj> ljlane: that seems to be doing the trick. I should have added -v but that's ok. thanks
[04:05] <mseney> hey okay i am now using the newly installed ubuntu hoary system :)
[04:05] <lavigj> I am trying to get Xcom Apocalypse working in dosbox... I am hoping that mounting an ISO will help things along :)
[04:05] <delltony> regeya, you stil ther?
[04:06] <mseney> do you all run a firewall like firestarter or something?
[04:07] <mseney> just feeling a little unprotected here right now
[04:07] <Dreamer3> mseney: why feel unprotected if you run no external exporses services? :)
[04:07] <Dreamer3> mseney: i mean, unless there was a rare bug in the kernel TCP/IP code you're safe with a default install  (AFAIK)
[04:07] <mseney> i dunno, i guess im just used to having a firewall
[04:08] <mseney> okay thanks
[04:08] <lavigj> doh!!! dosbox is only up to .61 and I need .62 or later to mount an image
[04:08] <Dreamer3> mseney: not saying don't get one :)
[04:08] <Dreamer3> mseney: just saying don't be too paranoid while it's downloading :)
[04:08] <lavigj> mseney: I have a router with a firewall :)
[04:09] <delltony> oh i got it now :)
[04:10] <mseney> maybe thats what i can turn my old Thinpad 600e into , screen died but still runs
[04:10] <mseney> * thinkpad
[04:10] <Amaranth> mseney: headless fileserver?
[04:10] <mseney> do you all use sudo all the time are did you actually unlock the root user
[04:10] <Amaranth> firewall?
[04:11] <lavigj> mseney: check out tomshardware for a fun project if it is just the backlight that burned out
[04:11] <mseney> Amaranth, yeah.
[04:11] <tritium> mseney, if I really need to, I'll use sudo -s -H
[04:11] <Amaranth> mseney: Set it up to be your music server. :)
[04:11] <mseney> small HDD on it
[04:11] <mseney> like 5 Gig
[04:11] <Amaranth> oh
[04:12] <mseney> as long as i can ssh into it , that's all that matters to me heh
[04:12] <lavigj> mseney: check out www.smoothwall.org
[04:12] <mseney> yeah i've heard of that, a co-worker i think is making his system into a firewall for his Linux class
[04:12] <aeolist> maybe you can keep it as a backup machine... for .debs and /home
[04:13] <lavigj> mseney: the only thing is that you will need dual nics for firewall duty
[04:13] <qlo-xael> howdy folx
[04:13] <lavigj> don't know if that is a problem/possible for you or not
[04:13] <Ex-Cyber> what's the best way to go about printing a postscript file? if I just use lpr my printer takes a really long time and just prints blank pages
[04:13] <mseney> wow this is wierd using Gnome again. been awhile.
[04:14] <qlo-xael> I desparately need help installing a newly compiled kernel, for some reason no matter how i compile my kernel, there are a set of modules, listed in /etc/modules that are still attempted to be loaded
[04:15] <qlo-xael> can anyone help? i can get much more specific with the problem
[04:15] <mseney> what is this port, i just nmap scanned myself and this is open    631/tcp open  ipp
[04:15] <qlo-xael> i've followed the advice of all the kernel compile howto's on ubuntu wiki
[04:15] <goldfish> mseney: some printer stuff
[04:15] <GIMP666> how do I install an rpm in ubuntu
[04:15] <goldfish> mseney: I tried to kill it but i cudnt
[04:16] <mseney> cups related or something?
[04:16] <tritium> cups
[04:16] <GIMP666> if someone wants to help me, pleae PM me and tell me steps, I am totally lost
[04:16] <tritium> GIMP666, if you must, use alien to convert rpm to deb
[04:16] <aeolist> mseney, there is a guide at tldp (pdf) with like 800 pages of networking and administration info and advices... it has an appendix with a full list of ports and what they do
[04:16] <lavigj> mseney: google told me it is IPP, internet printing protocol ;)
[04:17] <Sysace> guys.. been having trouble installing ubuntu 4.10 (warty) on my mac.. it was suggested that my burned cd was the issue.  Today I got my official ubuntu cd in the mail, but I'm having the same issue.. after first stage of install completes, it reboots and I get error:  pivot_root:  No such file or directory.  This is on a B/W G3, starting with blank hd... can anybody help?
[04:17] <Pluk> in vmware though, hoping that way i still can run some apps and ditch my normal windows install :)
[04:17] <mseney> oh so like if you want to print something off the web it uses that port or something im guessing
[04:17] <tritium> qlo-xael, /etc/modules specifies modules to load at boot.
[04:17] <mseney> aeolist, k thanks.
[04:17] <GIMP666> tritium, I now did that, it appears to be a folder now what[
[04:17] <tritium> GIMP666, don't know, never used it
[04:18] <mseney> well im going to try and use this distro and see if it's one i really like and can stick with. look forward to learning more. thanks for chatting w/ me guys, night!
[04:18] <qlo-xael> tritium: yup figured that much out
[04:18] <tritium> qlo-xael, if you don't want them to load, you have to remove them from that file
[04:19] <tritium> qlo-xael, which method did you use to build your kernel?
[04:19] <qlo-xael> make-kpkg ... --initrd binary
[04:19] <Sysace> anybody???
[04:19] <tritium> qlo-xael, good
[04:20] <qlo-xael> I compiled the kernel with all these things built in to it
[04:20] <qlo-xael> when i commented the modules out of /etc/modules, they didnt load or try to load
[04:20] <qlo-xael> nor did the things that i compiled into the kernel
[04:21] <qlo-xael> when i compiled a new kernel, those modules failed to load
[04:21] <qlo-xael> mousedev and psmouse included
[04:21] <qlo-xael> so no X naturally
[04:22] <qlo-xael> when i commented out the modules, it didnt try to load them anymore, but neither did the mouse stuff i included in the kernel
[04:22] <qlo-xael> i'm stumped, totally stumped
[04:22] <qlo-xael> for a while i thought it had to do with not having an initrd, but i finally got one of those built and no difference
[04:22] <qlo-xael> tritium, u still there?
[04:22] <MacHelp> I am using ubuntu, how do I install the file I have downloaded for Mac-On-Linux
[04:23] <wjesus_axl> hey guys I'm newbie
[04:23] <dud> what sort of files are those?
[04:23] <tritium> qlo-xael, yes
[04:23] <kakalto> congratulations
[04:23] <goldfish> hi wjesus_axl
[04:23] <qlo-xael> tritium, have any idea?
[04:23] <Ex-Cyber> blah, is there a guide to print troubleshooting anywhere?
[04:23] <wjesus_axl> hey goldfish.. I've got a questions..
[04:23] <tritium> qlo-xael, no.  I have no need to build a custom kernel
[04:23] <wjesus_axl> question...
[04:23] <tritium> qlo-xael, I haven't done so since I used to in debian to get nvidia modues
[04:23] <tritium> modules
[04:24] <goldfish> wjesus_axl: go ahead, im a bit of a newbie too :)
[04:24] <tritium> MacHelp, what type of file is it?
[04:24] <Sysace> can ANYBODY help?  or suggest where I might get help???
[04:24] <MacHelp> er
[04:24] <qlo-xael> tritium: you woudnt know where the linux kernel headers are stored for ubuntu huh?
[04:24] <MacHelp> mol-0.9.70-3.ppc.rpm
[04:24] <dud> Sysace, try #ubuntu-ppc for mac specific stuff
[04:24] <tritium> qlo-xael, in linux-headers- packages
[04:24] <qlo-xael> so if i install them, where will they be located
[04:25] <tritium> MacHelp, there was no .deb in the repos?
[04:25] <dud> MacHelp, install alien and have that convert it to .deb packages, then use dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[04:25] <qlo-xael> i have to install wlan-ng, and the latest version is the only one that has support for my wireless
[04:25] <carajean> where is ubuntus firewalls  located??
[04:25] <tritium> MacHelp, if you must, use aliena
[04:25] <tritium> alien
[04:25] <monkey89> anyone know how to get the gui in mplayerplug-in to appear
[04:25] <dud> carajean, you have to install one
[04:25] <qlo-xael> the latest version isnt available as a deb package that i know of, certainly not for ubuntu
[04:25] <dud> try guarddog or firestarter carajean
[04:25] <carajean> oh ok
[04:26] <tritium> qlo-xael, you're better off building the module.  For that, all you need is the headers to match your kernel
[04:26] <Sysace> dud:  thanks.. will try
[04:26] <dud> np
[04:26] <qlo-xael> tritium, the headers arent naturallly installed by default right? are the in the cdrom?
[04:26] <Sysace> dud:  only 1 person there.. hope he's good.. lol
[04:26] <tritium> qlo-xael, right.
[04:27] <wjesus_axl> anyone can help me..
[04:27] <wjesus_axl> I have some problems.. installing mplayer
[04:27] <MacHelp> theres nobody in ubuntu-pppc
[04:27] <MacHelp> ppc*
[04:28] <tritium> qlo-xael, you'll have to apt-get install them
[04:28] <MacHelp> alien isn't working
[04:28] <wjesus_axl> I tried to..
[04:28] <dud> hehe, never been there myself... it is the official channel for ppc ubuntu support >_<
[04:28] <lynrob> I need help with printer not detected in add a printer
[04:28] <wjesus_axl> but there are still some things I don't know how to do..
[04:28] <Sysace> is there nowhere to get help for mac?  I'm desperate here..
[04:29] <tritium> lynrob, was it plugged in and turned on at boot?
[04:29] <dud> MacHelp, how is it not working? you have to run it as sudo...
[04:29] <wjesus_axl> there are some libs I need to install like libavfcodecs or something like that
[04:29] <dud> and its not installed by default... sudo apt-get install alien
[04:29] <MacHelp> dud, i have ran it as root/sudo it says this
[04:29] <qlo-xael> tritium: i noticed the only headers avaialable are for 2.6.8.1-3-386, the kernel i have is 2.6.8.1-2-386, does this make a difference?
[04:29] <dud> I've never experienced an rpm not being able to be converted to deb with alien
[04:29] <tritium> qlo-xael, yes, it does
[04:29] <dud> unless the package is faulty of course
[04:29] <poningru> any sim city type games in the universe or any reps?
[04:30] <qlo-xael> oi!
[04:30] <amex> can anybody help with MoinMoin installation? I install the moin package, but I don't know what I have to do know
[04:30] <MacHelp> mkdir: cannot create directory `mol-0.9.70/debian': File exists
[04:30] <dud> poningru, you can buy simcity 3k for linux :)
[04:30] <dud> nothing beats the original hehe
[04:30] <qlo-xael> am i looking wrong here? why can't i find 1-2 headers?
[04:30] <poningru> heh no money poor college student here
[04:30] <lynrob> tritium yes printer was turned on at boot up
[04:30] <quitte> hi. i got a friend that has a webpad running xp webpad edition. how are his chances he can use it with ubuntu. especially the "touchscreen"?
[04:31] <poningru> and I dont like pirating stuff
[04:31] <tritium> lynrob, okay.
[04:31] <lavigj> hey guys, can I add hoary universe without messing everything up? I want to add a single package from it
[04:31] <ShadeofGrey> can somebody post the link to the hoary liveCD for PPC please?
[04:31] <qlo-xael> tritium, are 2.6.8.1-2 headers available?
[04:31] <tritium> lavigj, the package you want may depend on other packages also in Hoary.
[04:31] <ShadeofGrey> i need it for work tomorrow and cant find the link aagain
[04:32] <tritium> qlo-xael, no.  I think you might want to upgrade your kernel
[04:32] <ShadeofGrey> downloaded it while using ubuntu and the system crashed while attempting to burn the iso
[04:32] <unifi> quitte: not likely that linux wsill support a tablet pc
[04:32] <lavigj> tritium: hmm... well, can I add hoary universe and find out? :)
[04:32] <qlo-xael> i can't beleive i'm having more problems with ubuntu than i ever had with slackware
[04:32] <tritium> lavigj, if you want to.
[04:33] <ShadeofGrey> qlo-xael: believe me i had problems too but its well worth it. ubuntu is the best distro ive ever used
[04:33] <tritium> lavigj, it won't mess anything up to add the repo, apt-get update, and simulate installing the package
[04:33] <MacHelp> mkdir: cannot create directory `mol-0.9.70/debian': File exists
[04:33] <quitte> unifi i just used. google. it *is* supported. the touchscreen is just a wacom digitizer :D
[04:33] <dud> ShadeofGrey, the link is in the topic...
[04:33] <qlo-xael> ShadeofGrey, i really do see the potential, i've just never had so many issues before, i had more devices work right off the bat in slack
[04:33] <NodeUser> wondering if someone could help me...
[04:33] <wjesus_axl> I cant make any deb file work
[04:33] <wjesus_axl> help me
[04:33] <lavigj> tritium: I can also download the single package... I could manually check my dependencies...
[04:33] <NodeUser> i just installed ubuntu and the internet won't work
[04:33] <tritium> lavigj, true.  which package is it?
[04:33] <qlo-xael> but the up-to-date packages almost make it completely worth it too
[04:33] <lavigj> tritium: I am guessing there is a way to apt-get with a local file for the source?
[04:34] <tritium> lavigj, you'll use dpkg for the local .deb package
[04:34] <NodeUser> i configured my nework
[04:34] <quitte> lavigj: dpkg-scanpackages
[04:34] <dud> but anyhow ShadeofGrey... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/current/hoary-live-powerpc.iso
[04:34] <lavigj> tritium: ok. it is http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/otherosfs/dosbox - dosbox
[04:34] <NodeUser> but for some reason i can't even reach another computer on my lan
[04:34] <qlo-xael> how do i upgrade my kernel from 2.6.8.1-2 to 2.6.8.1-3 ?
[04:34] <ShadeofGrey> thanks guys!
[04:35] <dud> lavigj, I know the guy who makes dosbox :P
[04:35] <ShadeofGrey> g'night all.
[04:35] <tritium> lavigj, yeah, it depends on quite a few packages.  You may end up with quite a few Hoary packages.
[04:35] <quitte> qlo-xael apt-get install the kernel and reboot
[04:35] <dud> excellent application
[04:35] <tritium> qlo-xael, do you have the Warty security repo enabled?
[04:35] <lavigj> dud: agreed. I need to get .63 for iso loading unfortunately
[04:35] <qlo-xael> dont beleive so
[04:35] <NodeUser> does anyone know how to configure network interfaces
[04:35] <qlo-xael> tritium, what is that?
[04:35] <NodeUser> ?
[04:35] <tritium> qlo-xael, it's for security updates, including new kernels
[04:36] <MoonUnitAlpha> can anyone help me in setting up m4a playback in rhythmbox?
[04:36] <tritium> NodeUser, yes, in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:36] <qlo-xael> tritium, how do i enable it?
[04:36] <dud> or, you can use gnome networking wizard...
[04:36] <NodeUser> their all set up
[04:36] <lavigj> tritium: >> means greater than version xxx of a package, right?
[04:36] <tritium> lavigj, yeah
[04:36] <NodeUser> but my comp won't connect to any other computer, not even on my lan
[04:36] <dud> > is greater than, >> is much greater than, isnt it?
[04:36] <tritium> qlo-xael, either edit /etc/apt/sources.list, or use synaptic to set it up
[04:37] <dud> at least in traditional math...
[04:37] <lavigj> tritium: crap...
[04:37] <tritium> dud, in dependencies?
[04:37] <tritium> lavigj, what?
[04:37] <gellpak> question using synaptic... how do I add a package I have saved but which it doesnt have listed?
[04:37] <MaxeyPad> How exactly can I su to root on a fresh install?  simply typing su doesn't appear to work
[04:37] <tritium> gellpak, dpkg -i <package>
[04:37] <lavigj> tritium: it looks like this might be more trouble than it is worth.
[04:37] <dud> tritium, not sure... was just thinking out loud here :)
[04:38] <tritium> MaxeyPad, sudo -s -H
[04:38] <tritium> lavigj, sure could be
[04:38] <lavigj> tritium: :)
[04:38] <lynrob> why are the simplest things so complicated in linux
[04:38] <dud> gellpak, dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[04:38] <tritium> lavigj, another option is to get the source for dosbox in Hoary, but build it in Warty
[04:38] <dud> erm, someone beat me to that one by a mile hehe
[04:38] <kakalto> does anyone know why shpchp and pciehp fail to load on startup?
[04:38] <tritium> lynrob, because they're even more complicated in Windows
[04:38] <lavigj> tritium: hmm.... unfortunately, that's still a little beyond my ubuntu skills...
[04:38] <NodeUser> anyone here know anything about networks... it worked fine with debian sid
[04:38] <dud> kakalto, they're related to laptops I think
[04:39] <lynrob> i have been trying to setup a printer for weeks
[04:39] <qlo-xael> so how do i go about installing an updated kernel/
[04:39] <kakalto> dud, I get the same error on three completely different DESKTOPs
[04:39] <MoonUnitAlpha> i got pretty much everything on my comp up and going in about an hour including install, i was actually really happy
[04:39] <dud> kakalto, just put them in the hotplug blacklist then... nothing to worry about
[04:39] <kakalto> ahk
[04:39] <lavigj> lynrob: using cups?
[04:39] <kakalto> how do I do that?
[04:39] <tritium> lavigj, okay, it's not too difficult.  apt-get source --compile, presuming you have the build-deps installed
[04:39] <JDahl> lynrob, did you look at www.linuxprinting.org?
[04:40] <dud> kakalto, man blacklist
[04:40] <tritium> qlo-xael, did you enable the security repo?
[04:40] <lavigj> tritium: yeah, but what if I don't have the correct versions of the build deps?
[04:40] <qlo-xael> tritium, i feel like a newbie, i can't find that option in synaptic
[04:40] <tritium> kakalto, append them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:40] <tritium> qlo-xael, want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:41] <lynrob> i will go there now
[04:41] <kakalto> dud, "no manual entry for blacklist"
[04:41] <tritium> lavigj, there's an option to download the build-deps too :)
[04:41] <qlo-xael> tritium, absolutely, manual is fine for me
[04:41] <tritium> qlo-xael, okay
[04:41] <lavigj> tritium: hmm....
[04:41] <dud> kakalto, do as tritum said :)
[04:42] <NodeUser> anyone know anything about ubuntu networking?
[04:42] <tritium> lavigj, take a look at the manual page for apt-get
[04:42] <TetrisMaster> hello, im in need of help
[04:42] <qlo-xael> tritium, ah! i see it warty-security right?
[04:42] <tritium> NodeUser, /etc/network/interfaces
[04:42] <lavigj> tritium: I will
[04:42] <tritium> qlo-xael, yes.  Uncomment those 2 lines :)
[04:42] <NodeUser> it won't work
[04:42] <NodeUser> it's already configured
[04:42] <tritium> NodeUser, that's a file you can edit
[04:42] <dud> lavigj, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:42] <tritium> not an executable file
[04:42] <NodeUser> i kniow
[04:42] <NodeUser> i dud ut
[04:43] <NodeUser> *i did it
[04:43] <dud> or for all that needs to add repositories in general actually
[04:43] <tritium> lavigj, :)
[04:43] <TetrisMaster> does anyone know why Ubuntu, and Knoppix wont run correctly on my computer????
[04:43] <lavigj> dud: yeah, I am gonna man apt-get a minute to see if it is worth the effort...
[04:43] <NodeUser> my comp won't connect to anything
[04:43] <dud> TetrisMaster, there could be a million reasons
[04:43] <TongMaestro> send me your computer TetrisMaster and I'll have a look.
[04:44] <qlo-xael> tritium, hmm synaptic didnt like that
[04:44] <TetrisMaster> lol
[04:44] <dud> NodeUser, what does ifconfig show?
[04:44] <imaginator> NodeUser: are you using ethernet?  do you have /etc/resolv.conf or DHCP setup?
[04:44] <regeya> I want to be a tetris mastar
[04:44] <tritium> qlo-xael, what do you mean?
[04:44] <TetrisMaster> yay!
[04:44] <quitte> can someone tell me the english term for handschrifterkennung? letting a computer detect words you write with a pen connected to the computer?
[04:44] <tritium> lavigj, there are quite a few build-deps for dosbox
[04:44] <qlo-xael> i got errors, hold on i'll try from synatpic
[04:44] <quitte> i need that info to find out if that is supported with linux but dont know what to search for
[04:45] <dud> OCR Quest-Master
[04:45] <dud> erm quitte
[04:45] <pussfeller> quitte, optical charecter recogntion?
[04:45] <dud> optical character recognition
[04:45] <Quest-Master> dud: ?
[04:45] <tritium> OCR is for scanned documents and such, not really for "digital" pens
[04:46] <clopsy> quick question--my (windows 98) pc EJECTS the Ubuntu installer disc RIGHT on machine startup--does NOT do this with other linux live/installer discs.
[04:46] <Quest-Master> Yeah, why was my name mentioned?
[04:46] <clopsy> ? any ideas why?
[04:46] <Quest-Master> :P
[04:46] <pussfeller> i dont think theres a good ocr for lin
[04:46] <quitte> i was more thinking about doing that on the fly for a web pad. ocr is for using with a scanner afaik
[04:46] <dud> the way you input the characters doesn't matter, as long as they are optical
[04:46] <tritium> quitte, correct
[04:46] <NodeUser> it has my ip, netmask, etc...
[04:46] <NodeUser> the same as i had in debian sid
[04:46] <NodeUser> i'm using ethernet
[04:46] <dud> like, the palm pilots... its called OCR when you write with grafitti
[04:46] <qlo-xael> tritium, see this is what scares me about ubuntu, to me, its been hostile to tweaking, but i think m y lack of debian knowledge has somehting to do with that too
[04:47] <tritium> qlo-xael, it's really not that hostile.  You're just used to a different system.  It takes time.
[04:47] <TetrisMaster> My monitor, which is at least 4 years old will not work with Ubuntu, why?, when i first load up the CD it asks for colums/rows, or 'scan'....then sound loads, but monitor goes black...any ideas?
[04:47] <tritium> qlo-xael, what did apt-get update say?
[04:47] <imaginator> NodeUser: does `route show` list the proper gateway?
[04:48] <TetrisMaster> my monitor is a Compaq MV920
[04:48] <TetrisMaster> with an NVIDIA geforce 4 FX5200
[04:48] <lavigj> TetrisMaster: it is having trouble finding the specs for it. I would google your monitor to find out the specs, and you can probably find what you need to get it working. I am not super familiar with auto-detection for monitors, but that should get you moving in the right direction
[04:48] <NodeUser> no
[04:49] <NodeUser> it just shows an *
[04:49] <qlo-xael> tritium, update worked fine
[04:49] <tritium> qlo-xael, great.
[04:50] <qlo-xael> now how do i update to the 2.6.8.1-3-386 from 1-2 ?
[04:50] <qlo-xael> what package i should say
[04:50] <tritium> qlo-xael, try an apt-get upgrade now
[04:50] <qlo-xael> how large can i expect this download? just curious
[04:51] <tritium> qlo-xael, depends on what's going to be upgraded.
[04:51] <imaginator> NodeUser: do you know what your gateway should be?   you should probably do: route add default 192.a.b.c  replace as needed for your gateway's IP
[04:51] <tritium> TetrisMaster, maybe it doesn't report edid info?
[04:51] <qlo-xael> ok i'm goin for it
[04:51] <NodeUser> my gateway is 10.0.0.1
[04:52] <NodeUser> my comp is 10.0.0.2
[04:52] <tritium> TetrisMaster, what does sudo ddcprobe return?
[04:52] <NodeUser> my netmask 255.255.255.0
[04:52] <kh4nh> hi guys, how u doin'
[04:52] <TetrisMaster> i dont know tritium?
[04:52] <imaginator> NodeUser: ok.  then making it your default should help matters.  if you can ping a site by IP address then this part works.
[04:52] <NodeUser> i can't even ping my gateway
[04:52] <kh4nh> i have a question about symbolic link. can anyone help me?
[04:52] <qlo-xael> tritium, says i need 324MB of archives
[04:52] <NodeUser> destination host unreachable - or something like that
[04:52] <qlo-xael> tritium, thats nuts man
[04:52] <lavigj> tritium: so if I have this right, I will replace my deb-src for warty with the deb-src for hoary, then use the source feature of apt-get?
[04:53] <tritium> qlo-xael, too much for you right now?
[04:53] <imaginator> NodeUser: does ifconfig -a list your 10.0.0.2 IP address?
[04:53] <qlo-xael> on a modem, quiet
[04:53] <qlo-xael> err quite
[04:53] <tritium> lavigj, you got it!
[04:53] <marinela> 
[04:53] <kh4nh> symbolic link question, anyone pls?
[04:53] <qlo-xael> tritium, i just need to upgrade a kernel a little so i can install these wlan-ng drivers
[04:53] <aroman> anyone running hoary?
[04:53] <NodeUser> yeah
[04:53] <kh4nh> i am running hoary here
[04:53] <aroman> ok
[04:54] <tritium> qlo-xael, what's your linux-image package name?  you can just apt-get install that
[04:54] <luis_> I'm too
[04:54] <aroman> does your sound work properly?
[04:54] <lavigj> tritium: by doing it this way, is there too much of a chance I will totally frag my computer?
[04:54] <lavigj> (not that it is a horrible thing if I do, just like to know what I am getting into)
[04:54] <kh4nh> symbolic link
[04:54] <kh4nh> anyone,
[04:54] <tritium> lavigj, you're just going to get the source from Hoary.  The build-deps you'll grab from Warty, and try to build dosbox that way.  You will be okay.
[04:55] <lavigj> tritium: gotcha. sounds good.
[04:55] <lavigj> I shall attempt this me thinks
[04:55] <lavigj> tritium: thanks for all the help
[04:55] <tritium> lavigj, sure.  Good luck :)
[04:55] <dud> lavigj, if you're paranoid or very clumsy, you could fetch the file in question through ftp, and use dpkg -i
[04:56] <qlo-xael> tritium, i found the linux-image-2.6.8.1-3, i can just apt-get install that?
[04:56] <NodeUser> imaginator, yeah - it lists it when i ifconfig -a
[04:56] <dud> or -b or something... for building
[04:56] <tritium> qlo-xael, yep
[04:56] <lavigj> dud: nah, like I siad... not a huge deal if I frag this system, just want to know what I am getting into :)
[04:56] <tritium> qlo-xael, then, don't forget the linux-headers to match that same version
[04:56] <imaginator> NodeUser: inet 10.0.0.2  ?  that's strange.  I guess something with your router, or with your kernel is weird...
[04:56] <qlo-xael> righty-o
[04:57] <qlo-xael> thanks infinitely tritium, i'm that much closer to regaining my sanity
[04:57] <TetrisMaster> hmm completely lost now...
[04:57] <lavigj> dud: do you happen to have the link to that wiki entry handy?
[04:58] <tritium> qlo-xael, sure thing :)
[04:58] <tritium> qlo-xael, hang in there.  You're doing great.
[04:58] <qlo-xael> just curious 2.6.8.1-4 's icon in synaptic has a star next to it, whats that mean?
[04:58] <dud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto <-- that one?
[04:58] <OrangeSlice> upgrade available, I think
[04:59] <NodeUser> imaginator, it worked fine with debian sid
[04:59] <OrangeSlice> not sure though, I do everything through commandline apt-get :p
[04:59] <NodeUser> not my router
[04:59] <tritium> OrangeSlice, me too
[05:00] <lavigj> dud: thank you much sir
[05:01] <tritium> TetrisMaster, what did ddcprobe report?
[05:03] <lavigj> tritium: should I remove the other version of dosbox before I attempt the upgrade?
[05:04] <kaha> Anyone have any idea why upgrading to Hoary would cause me to lose my sound? (Only on games; system sounds work)
[05:04] <tritium> lavigj, no need.  You're just getting source, and you will later replace it with a newer version.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> I would gess a permission issue kaha
[05:05] <christopher_> any one wanna reccomend me some firewall/masq./routing software
[05:05] <lavigj> tritium: thanks
[05:05] <tritium> srue
[05:05] <tritium> sure
[05:06] <NodeUser> thanks imaginator anyway
[05:06] <kaha> Dr_willis:  thanx, I'll look through it again.
[05:06] <NodeUser> anyone know anything about ubuntu and the network
[05:06] <Dr_willis> kaha,  since it works.. but not all the time. :P
[05:06] <marty_> is this os stable
[05:06] <tritium> kaha, it could be polypaudio
[05:06] <tritium> lots of people are having trouble with it
[05:06] <Dr_willis> NodeUser,  thats a little vague. :P
[05:06] <kaha> polypaudio?
[05:07] <tritium> kaha, it replaces esound in Hoary upgrade
[05:07] <kaha> ah
[05:07] <kaha> something else to check. Thanks, all.  :)
[05:07] <christopher_> any one wanna reccomend me some firewall/masq./routing software
[05:07] <christopher_> any one wanna reccomend me some firewall/masq./routing software
[05:08] <christopher_> what are youall useing?
[05:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm... Ugh.. Linux. :P
[05:08] <tritium> christopher_, nothing
[05:08] <dud> use guarddog or firestarter or something
[05:08] <Dr_willis> its all in there. :P
[05:08] <dud> and dont fscking repeate
[05:08] <lavigj> tritium: if I could bother you with one more question, that was sudo apt-get install dosbox -source?
[05:08] <dud> apt-get -b source dosbox
[05:08] <tritium> no, apt-get source
[05:08] <tritium> dud is right
[05:09] <lavigj> k, thanks guys
[05:09] <christopher_> dud, will firestarter masq?
[05:09] <dud> -b if you want to build as well that is
[05:09] <NodeUser> i configured my network, manually, and i'm using ethernet
[05:09] <tritium> but you might not have all the build-deps yet
[05:09] <lavigj> dud: thanks
[05:09] <dud> christopher_, dunno... just try it
[05:09] <NodeUser> everything is configured properly
[05:09] <lavigj> tritium: and I don't...
[05:09] <gellpak> how do i stop and restart X?
[05:09] <christopher_> NodeUser, how do you masq manually??
[05:09] <lavigj> :)
[05:09] <NodeUser> it shows up in ifconfig -a correctley
[05:10] <lavigj> tritium: should I just start going through and building the deps until I find the missing one?
[05:10] <NodeUser> etc/network/interfaces
[05:10] <tritium> lavigj, apt-get build-dep dosbox then
[05:10] <NodeUser> but it just won't connect to anything
[05:10] <lavigj> tritium: ah, ok
[05:10] <NodeUser> not even another computer on my lan using it's ip
[05:10] <NodeUser> i can't ping my gateway 10.0.0.1
[05:11] <lavigj> tritium: Build-Depends dependency for dosbox cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package type-handling can satisfy version requirements
[05:11] <dud> werent you using the hoary repos on warty lavigj?
[05:11] <NodeUser> "destination host unreachable"
[05:11] <lavigj> tritium: is there a way to do this without switching to hoary?
[05:11] <NodeUser> or something like that
[05:11] <lavigj> dud: I only have deb-src hoary universe
[05:11] <dud> lavigj, doesnt dosbox have rpm's?
[05:11] <lavigj> dud: probably, but what about dependecies?
[05:11] <tritium> dan_, did you dist-upgrade to Hoary?  could be polypaudio
[05:12] <NodeUser> anyone have a clue about what's going on?
[05:12] <tritium> lavigj, it depends.
[05:12] <NodeUser> it worked fine with debian sid
[05:12] <dud> lavigj, get the warty dependencies perhaps
[05:12] <tritium> How many packages could not be installed?
[05:12] <dan_> indeed, I did, tritium
[05:12] <lavigj> dud: I already have those I think, since I had dosbox installed once
[05:12] <lavigj> tritium: libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-sound1.2-dev libasound2-dev alsa-headers type-handling (>= 0.2.1)
[05:12] <dud> NodeUser, its hard to help you with so many people wanting help at the same time... and you arent being too specific
[05:13] <dan_> $ ps x | grep poly
[05:13] <dan_>  8214 ?        Ss     0:30 /usr/bin/polypaudio
[05:13] <tritium> or pgrep poly
[05:13] <tritium> lavigj, that's looking like it's going to get a little too complicated to be worth it
[05:14] <lavigj> tritium: quite possibly, I am goign to check what other things need sdl though
[05:14] <Seq> does anybody know what could cause openoffice to hang when opening a .doc in hoary?
[05:14] <tritium> lavigj, another option might be to install the build-deps for dosbox, but then build the .tar.gz from sourceforge from source
[05:15] <JDahl> Seq, for any other app, I would've suggested you just strace it
[05:15] <OrangeSlice> the fact that it's a .doc? :p
[05:15] <tritium> dan_, better design, technically, but a bit buggier right now
[05:15] <mebaran151> how do you change the font a gtk1.2 app uses
[05:15] <mebaran151> or what font gtk1.2 usually uses
[05:15] <mebaran151> any special files
[05:15] <davedorm> wow
[05:15] <Seq> JDahl: I'm at the point where I'm just thinking its easier to install abiword
[05:15] <lavigj> tritium: ok. I will explore my options. I could just be patient for hoary too
[05:15] <davedorm> lotsa people here
[05:16] <tritium> lavigj, what do you use dosbox for, if I may ask?
[05:16] <Seq> tritium: its awesome for playing old games :)
[05:16] <tritium> Seq, oh, okay
[05:16] <tritium> what ever happened to dosemu?
[05:17] <lavigj> tritium: I have an old copy of Xcom Apocalypse I am trying to get to work.
[05:17] <tritium> lavigj, I see.
[05:17] <lavigj> tritium: dosemu kinda died, if I recall correctly. dosbox is very good, I just want to try a feature in >=.62 and .61 is all warty has
[05:17] <mebaran151> because my xmms fonts are ugly
[05:17] <tritium> I see.
[05:17] <mebaran151> and so are my mplayer fonts
[05:18] <mebaran151> well not the font they use
[05:18] <mebaran151> but in the little right click menus
[05:18] <tritium> gtk1.2 fonts are fairly ugly in general
[05:18] <dan_> tritium, do rhythmbox and polyaudio get along? is rhythmbox supposed to work in hoary?
[05:18] <mebaran151> but these are ridiculous
[05:18] <mebaran151> I mean they are shredded
[05:18] <TetrisMaster> man, linux just isnt made for good computers i guess...
[05:18] <mebaran151> everything should be gtk2 by law
[05:18] <Seq> mebaran151: you could install gtk-theme-switch
[05:18] <mebaran151> TetrisMaster, what is your problem
[05:18] <mebaran151> I tried that
[05:18] <Seq> mebaran151: i believe that lets you select a theme and font
[05:18] <mebaran151> gtk2 changes
[05:19] <mebaran151> but gtk1.2 doesnt listen
[05:19] <tritium> dan_, they should, but right now not so well.  try killing and restarting polypaudio every time you log into gnome.  I know it sucks, but it seems to work until it's fixed.
[05:19] <Seq> mebaran151: did you run switch or switch2
[05:19] <tritium> TetrisMaster, your monitor is old, is it not?
[05:19] <dan_> hmm... "there is no ... audio/mpeg" from rhythmbox
[05:19] <tritium> TetrisMaster, you might need to configure X.org by hand if your monitor is fairly old.
[05:20] <tritium> at least specify the VertRefresh and HorizSync
[05:20] <tritium> dan_, you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:20] <TetrisMaster> i dont knwo where to get that info at
[05:20] <tritium> TetrisMaster, the specs for your monitor.  Did you try ddcprobe, anyway?
[05:20] <JDahl> TetrisMaster, try google for your monitor name + XF86Config
[05:21] <mebaran151> Seq, let me check
[05:21] <tritium> TetrisMaster, did you inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[05:21] <membreya> tritium: ddcprobe says no vesa extensions found...
[05:21] <membreya> at least for mine
[05:21] <TetrisMaster> couldnt get into the system files
[05:21] <tritium> membreya, are you having X problems too?
[05:21] <membreya> tritium: only in getting my res to 1280x1024
[05:22] <mebaran151> membreya, double check your monitor refresh rates
[05:22] <mebaran151> mine were sort of borked
[05:22] <tritium> membreya, try specifying your monitor's HorizSync and VertRefresh in xorg.conf
[05:22] <dan_> hmm... "Multimedia Systems Selector" hanging...
[05:22] <mebaran151> as I have an LCD that requires the horizontal and vertical be some really low number
[05:22] <mebaran151> like 50
[05:22] <tritium> TetrisMaster, use sudo
[05:22] <membreya> see...the screen doesnt even change to 1280x1024 nor gives me the option..even tho I've reconfigured xorg
[05:23] <tritium> TetrisMaster, and what of ddcprobe?
[05:23] <TetrisMaster> i cannot use sudo, when i ctrl-alt-f1 i cant do anything just says errors of all kinds
[05:23] <tritium> oh...
[05:23] <tritium> like what?
[05:23] <mebaran151> I dont get a positive result for ddcprobe
[05:23] <mebaran151> and my X goes fine
[05:23] <tritium> mebaran151, you probably have at least sane rates
[05:23] <TetrisMaster> umm, all kinds of stuff
[05:24] <membreya> so what are you supposed to do when ddcprobe says VESA BIOS Extensions not detected ?
[05:24] <tritium> membreya, specify your monitor's refresh rates
[05:24] <daniels> membreya: you're running amd64, right?
[05:24] <membreya> daniels: yup
[05:24] <daniels> yeah, no autodetection there
[05:25] <membreya> stand your ground tritium he doesn't have his @ :P
[05:25] <membreya> but thankyou daniels :)
[05:25] <daniels> heh.  no worries.
[05:25] <tritium> membreya, he's the man
[05:25] <mebaran151> tritium, they didnt look sane
[05:25] <tritium> so I shut up and listen
[05:25] <membreya> he's the man when he has the @ :P
[05:25] <daniels> so if you put just the resolution in xorg.conf it should be fine; you won't need HorizSync or VertRefresh in there
[05:25] <daniels> if you delete HorizSync and VertRefresh, you should get the full range of resolutions
[05:26] <daniels> x can work it out on amd64, but ddcprobe can't
[05:26] <membreya> sweet :)
[05:26] <tritium> see, I was quite incorrect
[05:26] <daniels> mebaran151: the resolution rates typically don't look sane, but they will work on every monitor ever (looking beautiful is a secondary consideration to always being able to display something)
[05:27] <mebaran151> daniels, heh
[05:27] <mebaran151> I meant
[05:27] <mebaran151> my monitor
[05:27] <mebaran151> has not sane rates
[05:27] <mebaran151> way low
[05:27] <mebaran151> I love it
[05:27] <mebaran151> it is an early LCD panel
[05:27] <mebaran151> from like 97 it would be now
[05:27] <membreya> crt forever!
[05:28] <membreya> my monitor is 2 ft deep by 4 ft wide... I don't care about saving space :P
[05:28] <membreya> my desk even
[05:28] <membreya> dher Adam
[05:28] <membreya> damn just waking up
[05:28] <tritium> thanks for the info daniels
[05:29] <pussfeller> what ya got a tv
[05:29] <sles> why does mount src.img mnt/src -o loop not work in ubuntu?????
[05:30] <sles> there is no loop device
[05:30] <sles> I have never bumped in to a linux that did not???
[05:30] <daniels> sles: works fine for me
[05:30] <sles> hmmm...
[05:30] <dud> 'modprobe loop' sles
[05:31] <daniels> mebaran151: oh, heh.  the native resolution of most LCDs is 60Hz, but don't read anything into that :)
[05:31] <jason^> so if I upgrade my kernel do I need to modify my menu.lst?
[05:31] <jason^> I'm moving to hoary
[05:31] <daniels> tritium: no worries
[05:32] <tritium> :)
[05:32] <membreya> gah
[05:32] <sles> ok cool thanks!
[05:32] <membreya> it's a meta resolution!
[05:32] <daniels> membreya: meta resolution?
[05:32] <tritium> jason^, it should be done for you by the package's postinst scripts
[05:33] <tritium> jason^, i.e., it runs update-grub
[05:33] <membreya> lol meaning that the screen is at 1152x864...but the display is still 1024x768..meaning that I have to scroll my mouse to see the entire screen
[05:33] <membreya> fixed it :)
[05:33] <membreya> lol
[05:33] <membreya> just changed my refresh rate
[05:33] <membreya> and now everything is at 1152x864
[05:34] <membreya> it's not quite the 1280x1024 that I wanted...but it's bigger so my screen is not as cluttered
[05:34] <membreya> thanks daniels :)
[05:34] <membreya> always good to see aussie talent out there :D
[05:35] <tritium> I hope it's safe to dive into python...I think I'll give it a try.
[05:35] <NodeUser> i'm back
[05:35] <geppy> What can I use to unzip .bin files?
[05:35] <NodeUser> i've tried everything i can imagine
[05:35] <NodeUser> my network is configured
[05:35] <speel> you dont unzip binary files well depends whats is it?
[05:35] <NodeUser> but my comp won't connect to it
[05:35] <NodeUser> can anyone help me?
[05:36] <geppy> speel:  it's the firmware for my linksys router
[05:36] <geppy> speel:  it doens't work as-is, and the instructions say to open it in winzip
[05:36] <membreya> tritium: tvtime ;)
[05:36] <speel> ahh ok good i have the same router go to 192.168.1.1 and log in
[05:36] <tritium> membreya, I'm building a PVR.
[05:36] <geppy> speel: done
[05:37] <membreya> PVR? :|
[05:37] <speel> ok now click on administration
[05:37] <tritium> membreya, yeah, like TiVo
[05:37] <tritium> but better...
[05:37] <geppy> speel:  Mine doesn't have that.  I don't think we have the same router
[05:37] <membreya> ooooooooooooh :)
[05:37] <NodeUser> my network has been configured: /etc/network/interfaces
[05:37] <geppy> speel: mine is the BEFSR41
[05:38] <speel> lol same here
[05:38] <geppy> speel:  You sure?
[05:38] <speel> positive
[05:38] <NodeUser> it looks configured properly when i ifconfig -a
[05:38] <geppy> speel:  well, I'll just assume that you meant "advanced", rather than "administration"
[05:38] <geppy> speel: what now?
[05:38] <tritium> membreya, thanks to mdz's excellent mythtv packages ;)
[05:38] <NodeUser> however, i can't even ping my router
[05:39] <speel> do you see anything that says firmware upgrade
[05:39] <geppy> speel:  oh, yeah.  under help
[05:39] <membreya> tritium: ...damn nerds and their toys
[05:39] <geppy> speel:  hmph, requires IE 5.0.  I'm sure as hell not installing that on my box,  I'll just go play on a local winboxen
[05:39] <speel> well once you get there just click browse find the iso then click upgrade
[05:39] <geppy> speel:  thanks!
[05:39] <tritium> membreya, heh
[05:39] <speel> any time
[05:40] <NodeUser> debian
[05:41] <NodeUser> ubuntu is the worst distro i've used... at least the otherones work when installed
[05:41] <tritium> NodeUser, it's based on debian.  So you think debian is that bad?
[05:41] <NodeUser> debian sid worked fine for me
[05:42] <NodeUser> i can't even connect to the internet
[05:42] <tritium> NodeUser, ubuntu works fine too
[05:43] <NodeUser> can anyone help me with my network
[05:43] <NodeUser> eth0 is configured
[05:43] <tritium> NodeUser, what chipset?
[05:44] <tritium> dan_, did you kill and restart polypaudio after logging into gnome?
[05:44] <NodeUser> it uses tulip or natsemi
[05:44] <NodeUser> either work
[05:44] <tritium> NodeUser, which module is being loaded?
[05:44] <NodeUser> tulip
[05:45] <tritium> lsmod confirms this?
[05:45] <NodeUser> yes
[05:46] <bur[n] er> NodeUser: can you ping local pcs?
[05:46] <NodeUser> no
[05:46] <bur[n] er> 192.168.x.x
[05:46] <dan_> ah... forgot that clue, tritium ...
[05:46] <NodeUser> i can't ping anything but localhost
[05:46] <bur[n] er> NodeUser: set the route?
[05:46] <tritium> NodeUser, what's the IP?  How is it assigned?
[05:46] <bur[n] er> or using dhcp?
[05:46] <NodeUser> ip: 10.0.0.2 assigned in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:47] <NodeUser> as static
[05:47] <speel> hey quick question i have some ports i dont want open any way to close em?
[05:47] <bur[n] er> gateway set in /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:47] <NodeUser> yes
[05:47] <bur[n] er> speel: close the service that runs on it
[05:47] <NodeUser> gateway 10.0.0.1
[05:47] <NodeUser> how do i set the route?
[05:47] <tritium> netmask set?
[05:47] <bur[n] er> u don't need to if you set gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:48] <bur[n] er> ethernet plugged in? ;)
[05:48] <speel> yea but i have 111 open and it says rpcbind uses it
[05:48] <dan_> restarted polypaudio... "Multimedia Systems Selector" hangs now, tritium
[05:48] <NodeUser> of course 8-)
[05:48] <bur[n] er> lights on router? ;)
[05:48] <NodeUser> yup
[05:48] <tritium> dan_, :(
[05:49] <tritium> dan_, give it time ?
[05:49] <bur[n] er> NodeUser: sudo ifdown eth0; sudo dhclient eth0
[05:49] <bur[n] er> (worth a shot)
[05:50] <dan_> I think my problem is below polypaudio. I can't get aplay foo.wav to work (after killing polypaudio)
[05:51] <dan_> ugh... gnome volume control won't start
[05:51] <NodeUser> didn't work... plus my network doesn't have dhcp configured
[05:51] <dan_> libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with i
[05:51] <dan_> d /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1106_318
[05:51] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: sudo mii-diag and sudo mii-tool?
[05:53] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: and maybe you should take a look at you router logs
[05:53] <El_Presidente> sorry for that stupid question but how do i set the root password when i installed ubuntu?
[05:54] <dan_> gnome volume control came up, after about 3 minutes
[05:54] <tritium> El_Presidente, most people don't, and use sudo instead.
[05:54] <bur[n] er> NodeUser: i'm out of ideas ;)
[05:54] <tritium> NodeUser, have you inspected the log files in /var/log?
[05:54] <El_Presidente> but sudo will ask for a password too
[05:54] <El_Presidente> right?
[05:54] <tritium> El_Presidente, yes, yours.
[05:54] <dan_> (i.e not root's)
[05:54] <NodeUser> mii-dia and mii-tool say everything is ok
[05:55] <El_Presidente> i wasnt asked for one just for my users
[05:55] <membreya> you can get it so that it doesn't :)
[05:55] <NodeUser> "link ok"
[05:55] <tritium> El_Presidente, right.  The first user added to the system is a sudoer
[05:55] <El_Presidente> i see
[05:55] <bur[n] er> sudo passwd works well too
[05:55] <El_Presidente> will try :)
[05:55] <tritium> bur[n] er, yeah
[05:56] <membreya> i configured my system so it stops asking me for the damned sudo password :P
[05:56] <NodeUser> i checked the log files...
[05:56] <membreya> mmm food
[05:56] <NodeUser> it looks like everything is ok
[05:56] <NodeUser> it says that the connection timed out
[05:56] <NodeUser> however
[05:57] <El_Presidente> i tried to install ssh now
[05:58] <El_Presidente> but when i want to start the deamon it says no hostkeys created
[05:58] <Zotnix> Mmmm... wordpress 1.5 is so nice.
[05:58] <tritium> I wonder if that requires a dpkg-reconfigure, El_Presidente
[05:58] <bur[n] er> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8e-4f30-8245-9e368d3cdb5a&displaylang=en
[05:58] <bur[n] er> sorry ;)
[05:59] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: IMHO you should look at logs on your router - maybe your firewall doesn't allow you to connect
[05:59] <mebaran151> Linux has an Audio Swamp
[05:59] <membreya> you die bur[n] er ...you burn in hell and you die!
[05:59] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[05:59] <bur[n] er> lol
[05:59] <tritium> hi da_bon_bon
[05:59] <bur[n] er> membreya: i gotta get paid somehow ;)
[05:59] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: maybe you had something with mac address on your sid that you don't have on ubuntu (?)
[05:59] <da_bon_bon> the freenet6 package in the hoary repos is the same as this - http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=download&PHPSESSID=698e8ef20e386e3b3139a2197f6b5994 ??
[05:59] <da_bon_bon> tritium: hi
[05:59] <membreya> bur[n] er: lol :P
[06:00] <da_bon_bon> tritium: hoary is not quite getting updated nowadays, huh tritium ?
[06:00] <El_Presidente> tritium, i did that
[06:00] <El_Presidente> didnt work
[06:00] <NodeUser> my router is a linux box
[06:00] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I still don't know what you've been talking about regarding gnome-panel icons
[06:00] <El_Presidente> i cant start sshd
[06:00] <NodeUser> and i can't ping 10.0.0.2 from 10.0.0.1 either
[06:00] <membreya> da_bon_bon: I get updates daily :P
[06:00] <NodeUser> mac address?
[06:00] <tritium> El_Presidente, sudo ssh-keygen?
[06:00] <El_Presidente> hm
[06:00] <El_Presidente> wil try
[06:01] <tritium> El_Presidente, maybe read the manpage first
[06:01] <tritium> da_bon_bon, no, not as often
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> tritium: even i dont know - it was a prvlwm while adding and i dunno howz it related to icons at all - tho the gnome palnel maintainer says that it was something about icons
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> membreya: fuck off
[06:02] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it's okay.  He's just joking around.
[06:02] <membreya> da_bon_bon: profanities are for 12 year olds and simpletons
[06:02] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: ok then what you got in your routers logs when you try to ping rotuter from client?
[06:02] <membreya> which are you?
[06:02] <da_bon_bon> membreya: please understand that what i meant was that there are no more updates as frequesntly as there were before
[06:02] <da_bon_bon> membreya: so u think :P
[06:02] <membreya> hehe :P
[06:02] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: nothing or maybe firewall on router rejects imcp?
[06:03] <membreya> da_bon_bon: ..agreed...it used to be my synaptic updates I would need to scroll through...now there's only 2 or 3 a day....
[06:03] <da_bon_bon> so, my question - is the freenet6 package in repos the same as the freenetproject ?
[06:03] <membreya> not necessarily a bad sign
[06:03] <da_bon_bon> :)
[06:03] <El_Presidente> tritium, arent these keys generated automatically??
[06:03] <da_bon_bon> a good sign, i'd say, membreya
[06:03] <El_Presidente> because this is the first time i have to do that on my own
[06:03] <tritium> El_Presidente, they should be, yes
[06:05] <da_bon_bon> anyone uses kaffe and gnu classpath here completely, instead of the normal sun ones ?
[06:06] <El_Presidente> tritium, now it works strange i reinstalled it
[06:06] <tritium> El_Presidente, yeah, quite strange
[06:06] <El_Presidente> ty :)
[06:08] <tritium> :)
[06:08] <tritium> membreya, what was that second slap for?
[06:08] <tritium> one was enough, for sure
[06:08] <dan_> ugh! I can't figure out what's going on with my sound setup!
[06:09] <tritium> dan_, sorry...
[06:09] <El_Presidente> tritium, another thing how can i remove complete X11 and gnome?
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> dan_: polypaudio ?
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> El_Presidente: apt-get remove xserver-xorg gnome*
[06:09] <El_Presidente> ah tx
[06:09] <El_Presidente> ty
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> xserver-xfree86 if on warty
[06:09] <El_Presidente> yep i am
[06:10] <dan_> polypaudio might be part of the problem, da_bon_bon, but I can't get stuff like aplay to work. I think my problem is below polypaudio
[06:10] <qlo-xael> tritium, i am installing the newer kernel and headers now, do i need to uninstall the old myself or is that automated?
[06:10] <tritium> qlo-xael, automated
[06:10] <El_Presidente> well this is a server and no workstation so thank you ;)
[06:10] <dan_> I think the problems started when I booted a 2.6.10 kernel
[06:10] <dan_> maybe I'll revert...
[06:10] <Elsidox> Hello im running hoary and i cant seem to get mp3s to play. Lame is installed. Everything worked fine but after i rebooted mp3s wont play
[06:10] <qlo-xael> well thats quite nice
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> dan_: hoary ? have u install ubuntu-desktop ?
[06:11] <Elsidox> can anyone help?
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> tritium: i dont think the old ones are /removed/ ..
[06:12] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it depends.  If it's the same version, it is.
[06:12] <dan_> yes, hoary... I think I installed ubuntu-desktop; rather: I think I upgraded it from warty
[06:12] <dan_> wish me luck... rebooting with 2.6.8 ...
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> tritium: right.
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> dan_: install 2.6.11
[06:13] <Elsidox> anyone at all? Help. Playing mp3s
[06:13] <da_bon_bon> i am currently install 2.6.11 - any warnings / suggestions ?
[06:13] <tritium> no linux-restricted-modules are available for 2.6.11
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> how would that affect ?
[06:14] <tritium> you won't be able to use nvidia or ati drivers with that kernel
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> no problems
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> no nvidia or ati here
[06:15] <tritium> you might be fine, then.  No madwifi?
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> how else does restricted modules help ?
[06:15] <tritium> I forget what else is in l-r-m
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> no wifi at all
[06:15] <qlo-xael> so tritium, where will the headers be located?
[06:15] <membreya> tritium: the second slap was for telling El_Presidente to read man pages ;)
[06:15] <El_Presidente> :))
[06:16] <tritium> qlo-xael, I don't recall, since I haven't installed in a while.  dpgk -L will show you
[06:16] <qlo-xael> alright, gonna restart make sure everything is right
[06:16] <qlo-xael> thanks much
[06:16] <tritium> membreya, I first told him what to try, but since it was a guess, cautioned him to read the manpage first.
[06:16] <membreya> tritium: ;) :P
[06:16] <tritium> El_Presidente knew I was trying to help
[06:16] <tritium> :)
[06:16] <El_Presidente> well i thank you tritium
[06:17] <El_Presidente> many would have said what membreya said
[06:17] <tritium> El_Presidente, it's no problem.  I hope you didn't think I was running you off, telling you to read up
[06:17] <Elsidox> Hello. Can anyone help me I cant seem to play mp3s. I use to but after I started my comp up today i cant play mp3s anymore. Sound does work thow.
[06:17] <membreya> tritium: don't stress it ..half the answers (if i know them) are web pages I give people :P lol ....but since I've only been using linux and ubuntu for 2 weeks I'm still learning at a rapid rate
[06:17] <tritium> Elsidox, did you dist-upgrade Hoary?
[06:17] <tritium> membreya, :)
[06:18] <Chipzz> is there an archive anywhere where I can get older hoary packages?
[06:18] <Elsidox> tritium, ive been useing hoary for a while
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: can u hear gnome system sounds ?
[06:18] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, yes
[06:18] <tritium> Elsidox, polypaudio replaced esound recently, and has given some trouble
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: say, when u click on app. u hear the drum sound THAK ?
[06:19] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, yes
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: which prog. u use to play the mp3s ?
[06:19] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, which isnt a pleasent sound lol
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> :)
[06:19] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, muine
[06:19] <Chipzz> I need linux-source-2.6.11 version 2.6.11-0.1, but only 2.6.11-0.2 is available in the archives
[06:19] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, ive tryed other players and they wont play the mp3s either
[06:20] <tritium> Poor CarlK's gf's computer loops the bongo sounds :(
[06:20] <Elsidox> lol why do they have such ugly colors icons and sounds
[06:20] <dan_> ok, reverting kernels restored sound.
[06:20] <tritium> dan_, wow
[06:20] <dan_> I guess an AMD Sempron is not a k7?
[06:20] <tritium> dan_, to which version?
[06:20] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, huh lol? Im newish to linux
[06:20] <dan_> Linux version 2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:21] <Chipzz> no archives available? :s
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: only mp3s or other files too have problems ?
[06:21] <Lathiat2> Hi Guys -- I'm running the latest hoary -- anyone know how i can debug why icons for my firewire disk dont come up most of the time in computer or drivemount (they do sometimes but)
[06:21] <jdub> Chipzz: http://morgue.ubuntu.com/
[06:21] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, i dont have any other audio files besides mp3s
[06:21] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, should i try playing an avi file?
[06:21] <El_Presidente> dan_, that really depends if you have one up to 3000+ its a k7
[06:21] <jdub> Chipzz: you want to downgrade from a security release?
[06:22] <dan_> model name      : AMD Sempron(tm)   2500+
[06:22] <Chipzz> jdub: that kernel broke nvidia module compiling
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: yes.
[06:22] <El_Presidente> well why dont you look at /proc/cpu
[06:22] <Chipzz> it removed drm_agp_t
[06:22] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, cant play avi either
[06:22] <El_Presidente> to be 100% sure
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: what error msg ?
[06:23] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, Totem could not play 'file:///home/ej/Documents/Video/The Broken/01: enter thebroken.avi'
[06:23] <Chipzz> jdub: the kernel I'm running now is 2.6.10 anyway
[06:23] <El_Presidente> dan_, sorry /proc/cpuinfo
[06:23] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, Could not open resource for writing.
[06:23] <Chipzz> jdub: but thx for the url :)
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:23] <dan_> El_Presidente, /proc/cpuinfo shows AMD Sempron(tm)   2500+. Should that qualify as a k7?
[06:23] <El_Presidente> with that numbers dan_ you should be able to determine if its a k7 or k8
[06:23] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, hmm ive gone threw that maybe ill redo it and it will work
[06:23] <El_Presidente> well google for steppings
[06:24] <dan_> i.e. should it work with the -k7 kernels?
[06:24] <El_Presidente> but im nealry 100% sure that 2500+ is a k7
[06:24] <HiddenWolf> dan_ that should work on k7
[06:24] <tritium> Elsidox, what are you trying to play mp3s with?  Do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[06:25] <Elsidox> tritium, yes its installed
[06:25] <dan_> hmm... so maybe -386 vs -k7 is irrelevant. I just know 2.6.8.1-3-386 works and 2.6.11-1-k7 doesn't: no sound, random crashes.
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> what is the name of the white babe on the ubuntu three-human*beings-linked-together logo ?
[06:25] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, brb ill try that
[06:26] <jdub> da_bon_bon: ailene
[06:26] <El_Presidente> dan_, why dont you use 2.6.10?
[06:26] <membreya> gnomemeeting is the only way to accept webcam correct?
[06:27] <El_Presidente> and compile it self
[06:27] <tritium> membreya, mythtv can do videoconferencing, apparently.
[06:27] <membreya> does anyone here use gnomemeeting
[06:27] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, nope still doesnt work
[06:27] <helio7> jdub you know the people that posed for that shot?
[06:27] <jdub> i haven't met them
[06:28] <dan_> well, my troubles started when I upgraded from 2.6.8 to 2.6.10, El_Presidente
[06:28] <El_Presidente> :)
[06:28] <dan_> mythtv does videoconferencing? interesting
[06:28] <helio7> just curious how did you know her name?
[06:28] <sles> hey are system sounds not supposed to play when you listent to xmms???
[06:28] <tritium> dan_, mythphone
[06:28] <zenrox> sles,  yep
[06:29] <zenrox> sles, om ya thay can play whele you listen to music
[06:29] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon,  any ideas?
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> jdub: how do ya know ?
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: worked ?
[06:30] <sles> zerox: i can help you with your speech...
[06:30] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, nope. heh
[06:30] <tritium> does da_bon_bon have a crush?
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> tritium: nah, she looks good...
[06:31] <tritium> heh
[06:31] <zenrox> sles,  how so i have bine like this for years
[06:32] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, well thx for trying. peace
[06:33] <sles> zenrox: ok fine... fanx for thrying...
[06:33] <sles> zenrox: hey I have xmms using esd and gaim doeas not play the sounds
[06:33] <zenrox> sles, do you have esd enabled in gaim
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> sles: in gaim prefs. sound dont set auto - set ESD
[06:34] <sles> ok
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> OOo2.0-devel hangs while creating pdf files ?
[06:34] <tritium> good night all
[06:34] <zenrox> night tritium
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> tritium: night
[06:34] <tritium> :)
[06:34] <membreya> does anyone here have gnomemeeting.. I want to test if it's working ok on my computer
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> i do
[06:35] <membreya> da_bon_bon: see if you can callto://membreya@optusnet.com.au@211.28.78.53:1720
[06:36] <sles> membreya: why do you not use skype? it auto cinfigures and works its way through firewalls...
[06:36] <sles> all on its own
[06:36] <cg0def> does anyone know how to install the ati binary drivers?
[06:36] <sles> and it is encrypted
[06:37] <sles> I use it all the time for private calls at the office
[06:37] <membreya> cos I don't want to have to get my ex to install anything she doesn't need to
[06:37] <membreya> I only have gaim and gnomemeeting
[06:37] <sles> skype is free at skype.com
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> membreya: doesnt work
[06:37] <|QuaD-> skype = closed source
[06:37] <sles> for linux, windoes and mac
[06:38] <membreya> gah
[06:38] <membreya> I setup port forwarding on the router
[06:38] <membreya> oh well :(
[06:38] <sles> |QuaD- so what I just want to use it... im not a programmer
[06:39] <|QuaD-> sles: heh, i don't like propietary things.... i have one nonfree piece of software on my computer
[06:39] <El_Presidente> i want to install ncurses-devel but apt-get says it isnt there (i want to make my kernel)
[06:39] <qlo-xael> agh!!! why does ubuntu hate me?
[06:39] <FAST> Sarah Polley	 .... 	SelmaBeowulf & Grendel (2005)
[06:40] <FAST> whoops
[06:40] <helio7> which is the one closed source app you have |QuaD-?
[06:40] <membreya> qlo-xael: it can tell you're scared
[06:40] <qlo-xael> haha
[06:40] <|QuaD-> helio7: nvidia drivers
[06:40] <qlo-xael> membreya, i came from slackware
[06:40] <qlo-xael> i had more devices work out of the box in slackware than ubuntu
[06:40] <helio7> ahh nice... hmm I wonder what else I may have installed that's proprietary...
[06:41] <qlo-xael> i just installed the 2.6.8.1-4 kernel image and headers and it doesnt work
[06:41] <GammaRay> El_Presidente: try libncurses5-dev
[06:41] <qlo-xael> ubuntu's own packages!
[06:41] <El_Presidente> GammaRay, yes i found that too ty :)
[06:41] <qlo-xael> i had more luck making kernels from scratch in slack
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[06:41] <qlo-xael> what is going on here?
[06:41] <|QuaD-> helio7: heh, no point in propietary crap
[06:41] <GammaRay> El_Presidente: I found it w/ apt-cache search ncurses-dev
[06:41] <El_Presidente> GammaRay, ah i see
[06:42] <helio7> I think I downloaded realplayer to get bbc radio streams... but I agree with you completely; the opensource/gnu phiolosophy was most of what drew me to linux in the first place
[06:42] <sles> helio7: just use what works for you...
[06:43] <|QuaD-> sles: when there are decent free alternatives, why use a non-free version?
[06:43] <sles> helio7: OSS is good in the long run but when the apps dont measure up...
[06:44] <sles> |QuaD-: skype is free
[06:44] <|QuaD-> sles: they mostly do though
[06:44] <sles> |QuaD-: you are right
[06:44] <GammaRay> well now your gonna have to say how gnome-meeting does not measure up...
[06:44] <|QuaD-> sles: skype is free as in beer, not free as in....
[06:44] <sles> |QuaD-: they mostly do
[06:44] <|QuaD-> what comes after free as in beer... i forget
[06:44] <sles> |QuaD-: not allways
[06:44] <helio7> free as in freedom |QuaD-
[06:44] <|QuaD-> sles: gnomemeeting is as good as skype
[06:44] <GammaRay> free as in Freedom
[06:45] <|QuaD-> helio7: thats right :)
[06:45] <helio7> (=
[06:45] <kaha> after free beer comes noxious beerfarts
[06:45] <helio7> rofl kaha
[06:45] <kaha> :)
[06:45] <kaha> 's true...
[06:46] <|QuaD-> sles: by supporting non-free software, you just encourage it
[06:46] <lappy> hi.  i wanna give ubuntu a shot.  what is the version of kde libraries in latest ubuntu?
[06:46] <|QuaD-> kde3.3
[06:46] <|QuaD-> going to be 3.4 soon
[06:46] <GammaRay> lappy: offically? none.
[06:46] <helio7> lappy in the latest ubuntu or the latest "stable" ubuntu?
[06:47] <zenrox> warty = stable
[06:47] <|QuaD-> its close enough
[06:47] <GammaRay> lappy: in the repositories.. whatever they say
[06:47] <lappy> stable
[06:47] <zenrox> hoary =latest
[06:47] <kaha> works for me
[06:47] <|QuaD-> lappy: are you a debian user?
[06:47] <lappy> whatabout kernel version?
[06:47] <lappy> mandrake. i just installed debian. but its too outdated
[06:48] <lappy> i use mandrake 10.1.
[06:48] <|QuaD-> lappy: too outdated?
[06:48] <|QuaD-> eh
[06:48] <|QuaD-> ?
[06:48] <kaha> that's why everybody's using Sarge  :P
[06:48] <lappy> debian has kde 2.2
[06:48] <zenrox> lappy go look at www.distrowatch.org (is that right)
[06:48] <|QuaD-> lappy: which version of debian did you try?
[06:48] <lappy> thats 3.0 rc4
[06:48] <lappy> stable
[06:48] <|QuaD-> lappy: thats why
[06:48] <|QuaD-> stable is 3 years old
[06:48] <lappy> oh
[06:48] <|QuaD-> unstable has 3.3
[06:48] <lappy> so, whats recommended? testing?
[06:49] <lappy> |QuaD-, u use debian unstable version?
[06:50] <membreya> sles: does skype allow webcams?!
[06:50] <|QuaD-> lappy: i used it until i moved to ubuntu
[06:50] <sles> memebreya: i do not know...
[06:50] <|QuaD-> membreya: last i checked no
[06:50] <membreya> gah
[06:50] <kaha> I used unstable, then a couple years of gentoo, now I really love ubuntu.  :)
[06:50] <lappy> ok. then.  here is another question.  how old is the "stable" ubuntu as compared to the latest ubuntu
[06:50] <membreya> useless tip!
[06:51] <|QuaD-> lappy: ubuntu is current as of october
[06:51] <GammaRay> lappy: 6 months at the most
[06:51] <zenrox> membreya,  but skype can use voip
[06:51] <GammaRay> lappy: it follows gnome's release dates
[06:52] <membreya> zenrox: but my original question...to which sles answered with skype..is what program is best for webcam
[06:52] <lappy> GammaRay, so default wm in ubuntu is gnome then? and kde can be installed separately if necessary
[06:52] <GammaRay> lappy: it can
[06:53] <|QuaD-> lappy: i am running kde
[06:53] <GammaRay> lappy: but kde is not on the cd
[06:53] <kaha> he said Jehovah  :/
[06:53] <calamari> quad: when you exit kde apps do you get a sigsegv?
[06:53] <lappy> GammaRay, but gnome is. correct?
[06:53] <zenrox> membreya, to bad i dont have a webcam just casue id have an awser for you
[06:53] <GammaRay> lappy: it can be gotten from the "universe" repository
[06:53] <|QuaD-> calamari: nope
[06:53] <GammaRay> lappy: yea
[06:53] <lappy> i can live with that.
[06:53] <calamari> quad: hmm weird.. maybe because I just have the libs and not the full kde
[06:53] <|QuaD-> lappy: are you on a broadband connection?
[06:54] <lappy> yea
[06:54] <|QuaD-> calamari: i used to have just the libs
[06:54] <|QuaD-> lappy: apt-get is amazing, doesn't matter whats on the cd
[06:54] <lappy> also, is there a short description of what ubuntu comes bundled with? i am looking on the ubuntu website but no luck yet
[06:55] <|QuaD-> lappy: just about everything you need is available throuhg apt
[06:55] <GammaRay> (let it be said that urpmi is just as nice as apt)
[06:56] <|QuaD-> GammaRay: i used mandrake a bunch of years back... i wasn't as impressed
[06:56] <lappy> ok final question.  what do i download? warty or 4.10
[06:56] <|QuaD-> lappy: same thing
[06:56] <lappy> they both have the same dates
[06:56] <GammaRay> they are one and the same
[06:56] <lappy> oh ok.
[06:57] <lappy> and what was the kernel version in 4.10?
[06:57] <GammaRay> 4.10 is 2004, October
[06:57] <|QuaD-> 2.6.x
[06:57] <lappy> ok. cul.
[06:57] <GammaRay> .8.1 I think
[06:57] <lappy> thanks. guys.
[06:57] <zenrox> GammaRay,  yep 2.6.8.1
[06:57] <kaha> lappy: only thing you might not like in Warty is the 9x ver firefox
[06:58] <GammaRay> isn't there a security hole in that version?
[06:58] <zenrox> nope
[06:58] <|QuaD-> kaha: he shouldn't expect to get bleeding edge in stable
[06:58] <kaha> true
[06:58] <calamari> if there were a security hole they'd offer an update package, right?
[06:58] <lappy> what is the difference between live-install and just install iso versions? is live-install the one that downloads packages off the net
[06:58] <kaha> and 9x works fine.
[06:59] <|QuaD-> lappy: its either live cd or install
[06:59] <|QuaD-> no live-install
[06:59] <|QuaD-> you want install
[06:59] <|QuaD-> i wonder if mepis could be considered "live-install"
[06:59] <lappy> what is the difference?
[06:59] <GammaRay> a live cd runs directly off the cd in mem
[06:59] <lappy> oh ic.
[07:01] <GammaRay> it's considered sexy to have one
[07:01] <|QuaD-> GammaRay: heh
[07:02] <bur[n] er> what's it considered if you hack and tweak your own livecd? ;)
[07:02] <zenrox> bur[n] er, your hacked ver of a live cd
[07:03] <GammaRay> pornographic
[07:03] <zenrox> lol
[07:03] <bur[n] er> ;)
[07:03] <bur[n] er> it's hidden though... ~/.pr0n ;)
[07:03] <|QuaD-> any c/c++ guru's here?
[07:04] <zenrox> lol @ bur[n] er
[07:04] <Adrenal> if, after using the backports, i upgrade to hoary, will my system...die?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> is totem supposed to skip on wavs?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> http://members.fortunecity.com/wavjunky/new-wavs.html
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> try playing those
[07:04] <GammaRay> violently
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> they play
[07:04] <membreya> anyone here using a logitech quickcam express?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> and at the end they play some of the data again
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> also is polypaudio esd supposed to be totally fucked?
[07:05] <cybane> this input --> sudo CFLAGS="-03" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-03 -felide-constructors \ -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti" ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql \ --enable-assembler --with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-static
[07:05] <cybane> gives this error --> sudo: CFLAGS=-03: command not found
[07:05] <cybane> what am I doing wrong?
[07:06] <Adrenal> anyone?
[07:06] <|QuaD-> what are you trying to do?
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> cybane:  put the CFLAGS and such before sudo?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> Adrenal: trial and error works ;)
[07:06] <|QuaD-> cybane: that looks like a makefile
[07:06] <|QuaD-> not a command
[07:07] <Adrenal> ah...damn
[07:07] <Adrenal> can i get an approximation of odds?
[07:07] <|QuaD-> Adrenal: 50:50
[07:08] <bur[n] er> cybane: works for me... you're using bash right?
[07:08] <cybane> yeah
[07:08] <daniels> er, may I recommend not compiling mysql?
[07:08] <daniels> we have packages of it
[07:08] <Adrenal> quad: damn
[07:08] <bur[n] er> cybane: try 'sudo su' then run that command
[07:08] <cybane> I put the sudo after the compiler flags but before the ./configure and now I have a new host of errors
[07:08] <bur[n] er> sudo su; CFLAGS="-03" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-03
[07:08] <bur[n] er>                   -felide-constructors \ -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti" ./configure
[07:08] <bur[n] er>                   --prefix=/usr/local/mysql \ --enable-assembler
[07:08] <lappy> btw, do mandrake users find that konqueror loads up slow?
[07:09] <Adrenal> meh, cheerio
[07:09] <bur[n] er> well that paste was shit :\ sorry
[07:09] <bur[n] er> mandrake users?
[07:09] <lappy> ex-mandrake users
[07:09] <daniels> bur[n] er: it won't work; the semicolon will make it wait until su completes
[07:10] <cybane> new host of errors --> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
[07:10] <cybane> configure: WARNING: invalid host type:  --enable-assembler
[07:10] <cybane> checking build system type... configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub  --enable-assembler failed
[07:12] <bur[n] er> daniels: good call... it's been a long night :\
[07:14] <|QuaD-> "The Vector Linux crew is pleased to announce the release of VectorLinux Soho v5.0 - a feature-rich full-sized Linux Distribution." i wonder what a non full sized linux distribution is
[07:15] <|QuaD-> i wonder if ubuntu is "full sized" :)
[07:15] <helio7> maybe dsl?
[07:15] <mystify99> where do i get plug-ins for the media player and music player???
[07:15] <|QuaD-> hehe, but dsl is still a full distribution
[07:15] <GammaRay> |QuaD-: some fit on pretty small sized cds
[07:16] <|QuaD-> GammaRay: yeah i know, but how is that not a full sized distribution?
[07:16] <mystify99> or where can i get a media player that works like windows media player?
[07:16] <GammaRay> mystify99: I would not wish that upon anyone :-P
[07:16] <pastyhermit> how do I get composite and shadowing in gnome with the new Xorg?
[07:17] <johnnybezak> pastyhermit: i saw a link to a guy who'd made a gui prog for that today on footnote
[07:17] <johnnybezak> whats the name of the screen capture tool?
[07:17] <mystify99> can anyone help me with the media player that came with ubuntu?
[07:18] <GammaRay> mystify99: what do you want to know?
[07:18] <mbp_> wow
[07:18] <mbp_> go ubuntu
[07:18] <johnnybezak> pastyhermit: http://www.qdh.org.uk/blog/index.php?/archives/33-X.org-Composite-extention.html#extended
[07:18] <mystify99> i try to play simple mp3 format songs on it, and it says i need plug-ins
[07:18] <mystify99> where am i supposed to get these plug-ins?
[07:18] <monoxide> mystify99, try the website for said media player (whatever you are using)
[07:18] <monoxide> some linux distros fit on a usb disk
[07:18] <pastyhermit> johnnybezak, thanx dude
[07:18] <monoxide> btw, does anyone know a good distro that fits on a usb disk?
[07:19] <|QuaD-> pastyhermit: ifolder?
[07:19] <GammaRay> mystify99: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[07:20] <johnnybezak> pastyhermit: it's a pleasure
[07:20] <GammaRay> mystify99: in other words add the universe respository and issue apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:20] <membreya> hmmm I just compiled a quickcam driver...trying to do an insmod of the quickcam.o file and it says invalid module
[07:20] <membreya> any suggestions?
[07:20] <pastyhermit> |QuaD-, ifolder.com
[07:21] <mystify99> thanks a bunch!!!
[07:21] <helio7> monoxide: what's a usb 'disc'?
[07:21] <|QuaD-> is ifolder basically nfs?
[07:22] <GammaRay> |QuaD-: I think it's more akin to an atomatic rsync backup
[07:22] <membreya> looking at the dmesg... i have the following error message No module found in object
[07:22] <|QuaD-> hmmm
[07:22] <|QuaD-> do you need a server for ifolder?
[07:23] <GammaRay> right now you do
[07:23] <|QuaD-> whats with novell and kickass products
[07:23] <|QuaD-> GammaRay: what do you mean "right now"
[07:23] <monoxide> helio7, a usb flash drive, whatever you wanna call it. one of those small USB storage devices
[07:23] <GammaRay> they are working on p2p support
[07:23] <membreya> do module files need to be chmod'd at all ?
[07:24] <helio7> oh monoxide well I saw one on sale today for $50 and it was 1GB so I'd recommend the latest Ubuntu Hoary disc for that =P
[07:24] <monoxide> lol
[07:24] <pastyhermit> whoa dude
[07:24] <pastyhermit> dont I need Xorg?
[07:24] <pastyhermit> I have whatever ubuntu comes with
[07:24] <pastyhermit> I think its XFree
[07:24] <helio7> hehe what size is yours monoxide 128?
[07:24] <monoxide> i only have a 128MB disk
[07:24] <monoxide> but is that $US50?
[07:25] <helio7> yeah USD 50
[07:25] <pastyhermit> bbiab
[07:25] <helio7> monoxide have you looked at Damn Small Linux I think it's like 50 or 60mb
[07:26] <monoxide> that probably about AU150... :P
[07:26] <monoxide> by the time it gets over here
[07:27] <monoxide> no, i havnt really looked much. but im thinking of getting knoppix as a bootup solution
[07:28] <monoxide> or maybe the ubuntu live cd
[07:28] <chesty> I'm not sure if this is known or not, seems likely. if I open 2 terminals in a workspace, maximise one, minimise the other, you can't access the minimised one via the panel (hoary)
[07:29] <helio7> oh so I got about 5 more ubuntu machines set up for my school (elementary school) today... I'm trying to decide whether to keep gnome or goto fluxbox or something as many of them are like older 333mhz machines... I'm not sure how to best optimize them for the best performance... they still run but oftentimes at 100% processsor capacity and with several seconds of delay in opening anything
[07:30] <helio7> if I were to re-word that into a question I would say, "anyone have good ideas at how to tweak ubuntu for speed/performance on older systems in an educational setting that I may not have thought about?"
[07:31] <monoxide> remove X?
[07:31] <monoxide> :P
[07:31] <helio7> haha monoxide
[07:32] <monoxide> let them learn how to use a console like the rest of us :P
[07:32] <umarmung> chesty, i don't have that problem, everything works as expected
[07:32] <monoxide> that would really help your cpu usage...
[07:32] <monoxide> my sound just crashed again...
[07:33] <monoxide> anyone know where the config file for the sound server and/or ESD are?
[07:33] <monoxide> chesty, same. i have 3-4 consoles open before with no problems
[07:33] <monoxide> or try alt-tab to change between windows
[07:35] <membreya> do module files need to be chmod'd at all ?
[07:36] <mpool> membreya: should not need it
[07:36] <chesty> that's weird then, alt-tab works, but so should unminimising via the task list.
[07:36] <mpool> if you installed them by some reasonable method
[07:36] <chesty> It works for me when I don't have a maximised window, just not when it's maximised. oh, it's no big deal
[07:37] <membreya> hmmm I compiled the logitech quickcam module and I tried to insmod the module and it says Invalid module format....dmesg says No module found in object
[07:37] <kroon> wow, xcompmgr+the others seems quite stable in hoary
[07:38] <delltony> alright is it just me or does others have this issue? i looked on bugzilla and didn't see the specifics but here goes. when you go to websites in firefox 1.0 and it has video and plays with mplayer at random all instances of firefox will close without warning
[07:39] <gilanx> hiiii
[07:40] <pastyhermit> how do I get my kernel-source
[07:41] <pastyhermit> Linux dellbox 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:42] <dud> apt-cache search kernel source | grep 2.6.8
[07:43] <pastyhermit> cool thanx
[07:43] <pastyhermit> synaptic couldng find it
[07:43] <helio7> how many of you are "registered linux users" and register the machines you install on?
[07:44] <pastyhermit> no me
[07:44] <pastyhermit> and I have done alot with linux :D
[07:44] <pastyhermit> just new to the whole debian thing a little bit
[07:44] <monoxide> where would the syslog log to?
[07:44] <helio7> not to /var/log/ ?
[07:45] <helio7> yeah there it is monoxide /var/log/syslog
[07:47] <monoxide> yeah, i just found it
[07:47] <monoxide> how likely is it that my sound card is incorrectly configured?
[07:49] <membreya> hmmm I compiled the logitech quickcam module and I tried to insmod the module and it says Invalid module format....dmesg says No module found in object .... anyone have any ideas?
[07:51] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas why when i use OSS, i have 0 problems, but when i try to use ESD, beep crashes every 1-2 songs?
[07:51] <rolando-san> whats module pcieip and schchp...
[07:54] <johnnybezak> helio7: not me
[07:54] <membreya> figured it out ....I needed to insmod the .ko file ....but then it had another error ...but that was fixed be reverting my gcc version to 3.3
[08:04] <membreya> how do you configure modules to load at boot?
[08:04] <Liz> hey..can anyone tell me exactly what movement key does under window preferences ??
[08:04] <Liz> ive tried it and it doesnt really seem to do anything that i cant do by using the mouse
[08:05] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas why when i use OSS, i have 0 problems, but when i try to use ESD, beep crashes every 1-2 songs?
[08:05] <monoxide> membreya, /etc/modules
[08:05] <helio7> what's the drawback to using OSS monoxide? is ESD supposed to be better?
[08:06] <monoxide> Liz, just a shortcut key? or maybe for those who dont have a mouse?
[08:06] <membreya> ok ....once you've done an insmod do you need to do anything else???
[08:06] <umarmung> Liz, well you can move a window around without clicking the titlebar...
[08:06] <monoxide> helio7, when i use OSS, nothing else can use the sound. gaim wont play sounds when i recieve messages
[08:06] <helio7> oh
[08:07] <monoxide> makes it look like im ignoring my friends :P
[08:07] <monoxide> and also some programs are crashing at startup and i think its cos they are trying to use ESD
[08:07] <helio7> haha you wouldn't want that... you're listening to xmms?
[08:09] <monoxide> i tryied using xmms, that was one of the programs that was dying on startup
[08:09] <monoxide> im trying beep-audio-player (a spinoff of xmms) but that has problems as well
[08:10] <helio7> monoxide you're in hoary or warty?
[08:11] <farruinn> monoxide: in my experience beep and xmms don't work well together.
[08:11] <cybane> Anyone here have experience with the latest binary install of MySQL?
[08:12] <monoxide> i only have beep installed
[08:12] <monoxide> helio7, hoary
[08:12] <monoxide> it all worked perfectly in warty
[08:14] <Liz> i did tell monoxide to go back and install the warty files...
[08:16] <monoxide> i would really rather not reinstall my system...
[08:17] <cowbud> hrmm anyone having issues with Hoary and BadMatch X errors with any browser?
[08:18] <monoxide> not with firefox
[08:18] <cowbud> well I have it with both firefox and galeon..
[08:19] <cowbud> Disable the Composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:19] <cowbud> ahh
[08:19] <cowbud> and that is what I just recently changed
[08:19] <cowbud> excellent!
[08:19] <cowbud> google you are my hero
[08:25] <will_> my whole system locks up when Display Power Management is enabled, and the screen goes to sleep anyone have any ideas
[08:26] <membreya> after you have done an insmod on a module how do you make sure it's all installed ?
[08:26] <snowblink> membreya: lsmod
[08:26] <farruinn> lsmod | grep [module] 
[08:27] <membreya> ok it's loaded quickcam and videodev
[08:27] <membreya> do I just add quickcam to my modules file ?
[08:27] <kroon> ah, I lost the nice mouse cursors when upgrading to hoary 8(
[08:28] <membreya> kroon: do you have an X or anything ?
[08:28] <membreya> or you just lost custom ones? :P
[08:28] <kroon> membreya, I lost the nice default cursors that were in Warty
[08:28] <farruinn> membreya: that's what I would do, echo quickcam >> /etc/modules
[08:29] <membreya> and is there anyway to tell it what dev device to use ? ie I want it to use /dev/video1
[08:30] <farruinn> no idea
[08:30] <membreya> reboot time :)
[08:31] <will_> how do i cernck whether i am using apm or acpi?
[08:31] <will_> check even
[08:31] <helio7> when you boot up if you read the screen it usually says what it's loading, I don't know tht command line shortcut though
[08:31] <monoxide> check to see if there is an "apm" entry in /etc/modules
[08:32] <helio7> voila monoxide's on it
[08:36] <membreya> hmmm weird
[08:36] <delltony> is there a debian package for php-gtk by chance?
[08:37] <membreya> did an insmod...which loaded the module...added it to my modules list and it didnt load..did a modprobe on quickcam and it said module not found..yet I go to the compile directory, insprobe it again and it loads >:\
[08:37] <farruinn> delltony: is this what you're looking for? sqlrelay-config-gtk - SQL Relay configuration GTK+ client
[08:38] <farruinn> delltony: I did an apt-cache search php gtk and that seemed to be the closest thing
[08:39] <delltony> nah thats not it
[08:39] <|QuaD-> how do i make files of just random bites? like i wanna make a 10mb file?
[08:39] <delltony> thanksk tough i believe i just needed the php4-dev package
[08:40] <johnnybezak> do most of you guys use gnome as your WM?
[08:40] <farruinn> Gnome isn't a window manager, it is a desktop environment which uses metacity
[08:40] <farruinn> atm I'm using gnome with metacity
[08:41] <johnnybezak> haha thnx thats what i meant do most of you guys use metacity?
[08:41] <farruinn> johnnybezak: ;)
[08:41] <johnnybezak> farruin: :P
[08:43] <johnnybezak> are there any wysiwyg html editors in the ubuntu sources, i used nvu on the mac, and there is source but its not in the sources
[08:43] <johnnybezak> ?
[08:43] <Seq> |QuaD-: i think: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/some/file bs=2k count=5120
[08:43] <helio7> if I'm in hoary can I safely sudo apt-get install gtk ? I need gtk+ 2.0...
[08:43] <farruinn> johnnybezak: there are instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org for installing nvu, but I don't know if they're applicable to ppc or if you've already seen that.
[08:44] <helio7> johnnybezak openoffice has a wysiwyg html editor i think
[08:46] <helio7> night all!
[08:46] <elf> hi room i really need someones help
[08:46] <elf> some how the taskbar crashed and i dont know how to get it back...
[08:47] <farruinn> you can't log out then, right?
[08:48] <cocol> is DMA enabled in ubuntu?
[08:48] <elf> well i just restarted the comp cos i thougt that would work but it didnt
[08:48] <delltony> i don't think it is by default mine wasn't
[08:48] <elf> now i have no taskbar
[08:48] <delltony> hdparm -d /dev/hda
[08:48] <delltony> and check
[08:48] <delltony> if its no then do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[08:48] <delltony> or whatever drive you want
[08:49] <elf> help?
[08:49] <cocol> is it for me the response?
[08:49] <delltony> cocol, yes
[08:50] <delltony> that checks your dma settings
[08:50] <cocol> i want to check if DMA is enabled for hdc
[08:50] <delltony> cocol,  hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[08:50] <kakalto> hrm
[08:50] <cocol> ok (C)
[08:50] <kakalto> anyone know much about cvscedega?
[08:50] <will_> what is the kernel arguement to disable acpi and enable amp?
[08:51] <will_> apm sorry
[08:51] <delltony> should say something like this cocol
[08:51] <delltony> /dev/hdc:
[08:51] <delltony>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:52] <cocol> ok
[08:52] <cocol> thanx
[08:52] <delltony> to turn it on do sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[08:52] <delltony> that will change the value to 1 or on
[08:53] <cocol> its off
[08:54] <delltony> yeah by default it is off
[08:54] <snowblink> elf: gnome-panel
[08:54] <elf> ok thanks
[08:54] <elf> YAY!!!
[08:54] <elf> shot man
[08:55] <zenrox> lol
[08:55] <elf> now that thats out the way...can anyone tell me why ubuntu is really slow
[08:55] <zenrox> elf whats your cpu
[08:55] <elf> 900 celeron
[08:55] <zenrox> and ram
[08:56] <elf> not great but windows ran faster no offense
[08:56] <elf> 128 ram
[08:56] <zenrox> elf try installing prelink
[08:56] <elf> prelink?
[08:56] <zenrox> using apt-get
[08:57] <zenrox> ya it prelinks the libarys to programs so thay load a little faster
[08:57] <elf> ok installin it now
[08:57] <zenrox> it took mozilla-firefox from 30 sec to 15sec
[08:57] <elf> and do you find that the internet is slower to?
[08:57] <elf> ok
[08:57] <zenrox> nope
[08:58] <elf> well my internet is very slow although its a 512 line
[08:58] <zenrox> once its installed you want to do sudo prelink -amvR
[08:58] <elf> ok
[08:58] <zenrox> but rember that will kill your computer
[08:58] <zenrox> so doo it just before you go to bed
[08:58] <elf> ok well then ill do it just now
[08:58] <zenrox> and after every time you install a new program
[08:59] <elf> its 9:30 am
[08:59] <will_> what is the kernel arguement to disable acpi and enable apm?
[08:59] <zenrox> elf its nice
[08:59] <dud> noacpi isnt it?
[08:59] <elf> lol
[08:59] <elf> ok
[08:59] <elf> does it take long
[08:59] <zenrox> yes
[08:59] <elf> ok ill do it tonight then
[08:59] <Seq> will_: noacpi seems to do it, but some howto i saw suggested acpi=off and apm=on as well, just for good measure
[09:00] <zenrox> on my box celron 2ghz 512mbs ddr pc2100 ram it does take up to 1hr to compleate
[09:00] <will_> thats what i saw somewhere too
[09:00] <elf> whats DMA like that dude was talking about?
[09:00] <will_> thanks seq
[09:00] <elf> wow
[09:00] <Amaranth> DMA? Direct Memory Access
[09:00] <zenrox> yep
[09:00] <elf> speeds up the pc?
[09:00] <dud> hparm -d1 /dev/hda
[09:00] <Amaranth> speeds up HD access
[09:00] <zenrox> no its for cdroms
[09:00] <dud> hdparm even
[09:01] <zenrox> and hdds thangs on the ide chain
[09:01] <elf> ok
[09:01] <dud> its not just for cdrom
[09:01] <Amaranth> it's used with video cards too
[09:01] <zenrox> i dont need it for my vid card
[09:01] <zenrox> thank god
[09:01] <zenrox> lol
[09:01] <Amaranth> zenrox: I bet it's used for your video card.
[09:01] <elf> dma is on
[09:02] <zenrox> Amaranth,  but i dont have to enable it
[09:02] <Amaranth> no, it's always on :P
[09:02] <elf> ok
[09:02] <zenrox> lol
[09:02] <zenrox> elf also too what kernel are you running
[09:03] <topyli> elf: you're getting good hints but the truth is that 128M is a bit too little for gnome
[09:03] <zenrox> he is right
[09:04] <elf> i duno what kernal
[09:04] <elf> really?
[09:04] <topyli> elf: no harm improving the situation anyway though :)
[09:04] <elf> thanks
[09:04] <dud> yeah, go hunting trash containers for another 256MB ram :P
[09:04] <elf> i want to get a new pc soon but im thinking of goiung for that mini mac
[09:04] <zenrox> you might want to switch to a diverent wm
[09:05] <topyli> i have 256 and it's just bearable. going to upgrade to 512 i guess
[09:05] <zenrox> elf type uname in the terminal
[09:05] <dud> when adding a monitor, mouse and kb... mini macs arent so fantastically cheap
[09:05] <dud> i have 1gb ram on an athlon64 3000+
[09:05] <dud> its quite allright :P
[09:05] <zenrox> i have 512
[09:05] <elf> it says linux
[09:05] <zenrox> and its nice
[09:05] <dud> uname -r
[09:05] <zenrox> ya
[09:05] <dud> uname -a even
[09:05] <topyli> dud: i guess you can manage with that
[09:05] <zenrox> thats it
[09:05] <topyli> :)
[09:06] <elf> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[09:06] <dud> topyli, it havent skipped a beat yet hehe
[09:06] <Neil3> ah ha
[09:06] <Neil3> old kernel
[09:06] <elf> ok
[09:06] <Neil3> and nasty 386 one
[09:06] <zenrox> elf go get the linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686
[09:06] <elf> lol
[09:06] <elf> is it big?
[09:06] <Neil3> elf which cpu do you have?
[09:06] <zenrox> 15-30 megs
[09:06] <dud> get the newest image not the 2.6.8 one
[09:06] <elf> celeron 900
[09:06] <Neil3> ah
[09:07] <elf> not to great but im saving up for better
[09:07] <Neil3> yeah just to sudo apt-get install linux-686
[09:07] <zenrox> yep
[09:07] <dud> celerons are so fucking incredibly crap....
[09:07] <dud> it cant be expressed with words
[09:07] <zenrox> not mine
[09:07] <Neil3> that will install the newest kernel for you
[09:07] <elf> lol
[09:07] <Neil3> and specially compiled for your class of cpu elf
[09:07] <Neil3> sudo apt-get install linux-686
[09:07] <Neil3> :)
[09:07] <dud> i had a 2.2Ghz celly before... and I mean... at was so fucking slow I nearly crapped myself
[09:07] <elf> u say its big?
[09:07] <Neil3> you should get a nice little speed increase out of that
[09:07] <zenrox> dud some of that is the mobo
[09:07] <elf> lol its an old pc
[09:08] <zenrox> elf 15-30 megs
[09:08] <elf> im getting a new one when i go to USA in april
[09:08] <dud> zenrox, its the architecture... cpu/mobo/memory bandwidth
[09:08] <elf> ok thats fine...i was just scared that id cap
[09:08] <zenrox> dud mine is in a p4 board
[09:08] <zenrox> elf onec that is installed reboot
[09:08] <topyli> hmm. the prelink man page describes some scary stuff i don't fully understand. is it safe?
[09:08] <zenrox> topyli,  yes
[09:08] <elf> onec?
[09:08] <zenrox> once
[09:09] <topyli> ok
[09:09] <Neil3> topyli, prelink can be undone yes
[09:09] <Neil3> if it causes problems
[09:09] <zenrox> but it shouldent
[09:09] <zenrox> tho
[09:09] <topyli> worth trying i guess
[09:09] <Neil3> doesn't here
[09:09] <Neil3> works fine
[09:09] <zenrox> me too
[09:09] <Neil3> your apps load quicker :)
[09:09] <zenrox> a lote quicker
[09:09] <zenrox> specily the big ones
[09:10] <elf> lol
[09:10] <zenrox> pan,firefox,xine ,gnome
[09:10] <zenrox> etc...
[09:10] <Neil3> openoffice
[09:10] <zenrox> yep
[09:10] <Neil3> especially openoffice
[09:10] <Neil3> that hog
[09:10] <zenrox> ya 256mgs it gets every time it is loaded
[09:10] <elf> should i install the linux-686 or the linux-686 smp
[09:11] <elf> ?
[09:11] <zenrox> smp = more than 1 cpu
[09:11] <elf> ok
[09:11] <elf> it wont install
[09:11] <zenrox> why not
[09:11] <zenrox> wots it telling you
[09:12] <elf> linux-686:
[09:12] <elf>  Depends: linux-restricted-modules-686 but it is not going to be installed
[09:12] <topyli> "openoffice", "quick". sometimes i dream of uttering those words in a single sentence
[09:12] <elf> yes why s openoffice slow?
[09:13] <zenrox> elf then do sudo apt-get install linux-686 linux-restricted-modules-686
[09:13] <zenrox> lol @ topyli
[09:13] <Neil3> zenrox, i believe linux-686 grabs those modules too
[09:13] <topyli> elf: i guess it's partly because it's multi-platform so the same code is forced to run on all systems
[09:13] <zenrox> Neil3,  its not getting them
[09:13] <lordan> elf, openoffice wants to work on a variety of systems
[09:13] <Neil3> hmm
[09:13] <Neil3> my bad
[09:13] <topyli> elf: like java
[09:13] <Neil3> also
[09:14] <zenrox> Neil3,  that will force it to get it
[09:14] <lordan> and so they implemented a lot of libs themselves
[09:14] <elf> ok
[09:14] <lordan> including their own toolkit
[09:14] <Neil3> once you install prelink run ooprelink
[09:14] <topyli> yeah, they should just go for gtk :)
[09:14] <Teflon_tony> hello Ubuntu
[09:14] <Neil3> that prelinks a lot of openoffice specific stuff
[09:15] <zenrox> Neil3,  ooprelink dont work
[09:15] <zenrox> its not in my sys
[09:15] <lordan> topyli, life would be too good then
[09:15] <zenrox> hello Teflon_tony
[09:15] <Neil3> sudo /usr/sbin/oooprelink -f
[09:15] <Neil3> that will do it
[09:16] <Amaranth> there is a version of OpenOffice.org that uses GTK, iirc
[09:16] <zenrox> its not in my path thats why
[09:16] <Amaranth> Ximian makes it
[09:16] <topyli> lordan: not everybody would be happy then either :)
[09:16] <Amaranth> It looks like a GNOME app, anyway
[09:16] <Amaranth> Instead of a shitty Windows ones.
[09:16] <lordan> that's true.. for instance kde ppl
[09:16] <Teflon_tony> I am totally new to "linux" is ubuntu a good "learner" Linux?
[09:17] <topyli> Amaranth: i don't think the ximian version is that different, it's probably mostly looks and other integration stuff
[09:17] <zenrox> Teflon_tony,  yes
[09:17] <elf> its not working? \
[09:17] <Teflon_tony> that sounds good
[09:17] <Neil3> zenrox, did that command work for you?
[09:17] <Neil3> with the -f switch?
[09:17] <Teflon_tony> I think I will start the download
[09:17] <zenrox> yes
[09:17] <lordan> the ximian version merely uses gtk as a "frontend" for uno if I'm not mistaken
[09:17] <Neil3> coolie
[09:17] <Neil3> you might notice openoffice loading a bit quicker
[09:18] <elf> the linux 686 wont download
[09:18] <topyli> Teflon_tony: it works too well out of the box. if you want to learn, get a more difficult distro ;)
[09:18] <zenrox> elf open snyaptic
[09:18] <zenrox> and get it that way
[09:18] <elf> ok
[09:18] <zenrox> search for linux-686
[09:18] <elf> thats how i am doing it
[09:19] <zenrox> lol
[09:19] <topyli> elf: linux-image-686
[09:19] <zenrox> elf just rember if one way dont work try another
[09:19] <elf> yay its working
[09:19] <Teflon_tony> <topyli which one then?
[09:19] <Amaranth> personally i think abiword is a lot better
[09:19] <elf> i only know how to use synaptic
[09:19] <lordan> Amaranth, couldn't agree more
[09:19] <zenrox> Amaranth,  not for every thang
[09:20] <elf> well i gotta go now
[09:20] <zenrox> lator elf
[09:20] <elf> thatsnk for ALL your help chaps!!!
[09:20] <elf> cheers
[09:20] <zenrox> n/p
[09:20] <lordan> And I like gnumeric more than oocalc
[09:20] <zenrox> any time
[09:20] <Amaranth> zenrox: If someone ported oo.o's Word code to abiword it would be almost perfect
[09:20] <elf> whats that sudo to enable prelink?\
[09:20] <zenrox> Amaranth,  yes
[09:20] <Amaranth> But I use abiword most of the time and oo.o when abiword doesn't work for whatever reason.
[09:20] <topyli> Teflon_tony: i'm kidding. ubuntu is perfect. although is true you could learn more on slackware or something. if you can get slack to work you know quite a bit already :)
[09:21] <zenrox> elf sudo prelink -amvR
[09:21] <lordan> I wish I could like criawips more than oo presentation whatever..
[09:21] <Teflon_tony> LOL
[09:21] <Teflon_tony> will Ubuntu fry my Hard drive
[09:21] <zenrox> Teflon_tony,  no
[09:21] <Teflon_tony> Mepis friend my hardrive!
[09:21] <Teflon_tony> Fried*
[09:22] <Teflon_tony> I actually had to go buy a different harddrive after installing Mepis
[09:22] <elf> tahnks cheers zenrox
[09:22] <Spinaltapp> good evening all
[09:22] <Teflon_tony> and it was a brand new HD
[09:22] <lordan> Teflon_tony, whatever you do, stay clear of Fedora CoreDump
[09:22] <Teflon_tony> I have heard bad things about it
[09:22] <Spinaltapp> does anyone know if there's a way to play .mpeg files in Ubuntu, or am I just a n00b for asking?
[09:22] <topyli> Teflon_tony: even mepis shouldn't do that. perhaps the drive was made on a monday morning
[09:23] <zenrox> Spinaltapp, gxine
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> LOL
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> possibly
[09:23] <bascule> it is becoming the XP of linux in terms of bloat speed and stability
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> but god was it scary
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> I had had windows installed for a couple of weeks
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> and the drive was fine
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> I tried mepis
[09:23] <lordan> FC gives you bad karma, and multiple rebirths
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> within 2 days
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> the drive madea wierd sound
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> and then it just DIED
[09:23] <Spinaltapp> zenrox, I have the LiveCD, i don't suppose it comes with it, does it?
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> Dead as a doornail
[09:23] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  nope
[09:24] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: I call bad HD. What kind was it?
[09:24] <Spinaltapp> damn
[09:24] <topyli> Teflon_tony's drive, RIP
[09:24] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  then try totum
[09:24] <Teflon_tony> Maxtor
[09:24] <Amaranth> Maxtor drives suck
[09:24] <zenrox> ya Teflon_tony  probly bad drive
[09:24] <Amaranth> I had 3 die in 6 months.
[09:24] <Teflon_tony> sheesh :(
[09:25] <zenrox> Amaranth,  i have never had a maxor die in less then 2 years as a ftp drive
[09:25] <topyli> i'm lucky, i have a 5 year old maxtor, churning quite happily :)
[09:25] <Spinaltapp> zenrox: nope, totem won't do it for some reason
[09:25] <Amaranth> my 120GB one seems to work fine (only one the store had) but their 40GB and 60GB ones were horrid
[09:25] <Spinaltapp> i'm not really upset, as I understand it's beacuse i'm running the cd, i was just curious
[09:25] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  hmmm
[09:25] <lordan> speaking of totem, does anybody have it working with polypaudio?
[09:26] <zenrox> lordan me
[09:26] <lordan> that goes for rhythmbox as well
[09:26] <Spinaltapp> Ubuntu doesn't come with Wine either, does it?
[09:26] <Teflon_tony> yeah this was horrid what happened to me
[09:26] <Amaranth> lordan: Should work without problems.
[09:26] <topyli> lordan: i've tried it and it was a success
[09:26] <zenrox> lordan,  just tell it to use esd
[09:26] <Teflon_tony> but I think I will give ubuntu a try
[09:26] <lordan> zenrox, muine works but the other two don't
[09:26] <Teflon_tony> I am now scared of mepis
[09:26] <Amaranth> lordan: polypaudio just replaces esd and that's what gstreamer is set to use.
[09:26] <lordan> that's what I'm doing
[09:26] <Amaranth> Does muine use gstreamer?
[09:27] <topyli> Amaranth: i think it's gstreamer too
[09:27] <topyli> Amaranth: i mean it's gstreamer setup that's at fault
[09:27] <Spinaltapp> is there anything especially cool about Ubuntu that makes it favorable over, say, Mandrake 10.1?
[09:27] <bascule> stability and synaptic
[09:28] <topyli> Spinaltapp: it always has the latest gnome
[09:28] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  biger couminity
[09:28] <Amaranth> Spinaltapp: Less bloat. It "Just Works".
[09:28] <bascule> and the community, mandrake community is dying
[09:28] <Spinaltapp> ahh gotcha
[09:28] <zenrox> bascule,  i agree
[09:28] <lordan> just double-checked, gstreamer is set to use esd
[09:28] <Teflon_tony> mandrake 10 is monsteriously large, its like like 5 or 6 CD's
[09:28] <Teflon_tony> I was looking at it myself
[09:28] <Teflon_tony> butits just to big
[09:28] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:28] <Spinaltapp> yeah i saw that
[09:28] <bascule> zenrox: they have gone all $$$$s like deadrat
[09:28] <zenrox> Teflon_tony, 3 if you just get the d/l version
[09:28] <Teflon_tony> and a LOT of reduntant software
[09:28] <Amaranth> lordan: Other people have had and fixed this problem, I think it's on the ubuntu-users mailing list.
[09:28] <lordan> so i should be ok, but totem and rb don't
[09:28] <zenrox> bascule, yep
[09:29] <zenrox> bascule, one of the reasions i left
[09:29] <zenrox> saw a post about ubuntu
[09:29] <lordan> Amaranth, will check the archives, thanx
[09:29] <bascule> me too, that chan died ...
[09:29] <zenrox> and switced that day
[09:29] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:29] <Spinaltapp> so once i install Ubuntu on my HD, are there any essential programs I should get that don't come prepackaged?
[09:29] <topyli> Spinaltapp: java, browser plugins, some multimedia codecs
[09:29] <bascule> Spinaltapp: all the mp3/avi/dvd stuff, but depends what you do on your machine
[09:30] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  yes xine, xmms, dvdcss win32codecs
[09:30] <Spinaltapp> ahh ok
[09:30] <topyli> Spinaltapp: you can find debian packages for most of them
[09:30] <zenrox> and some of them are also easy to get and install
[09:30] <Amaranth> Spinaltapp: Enable all the extra repositories and install gstreamer-plugins
[09:30] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:30] <topyli> java is perhaps the most wicked
[09:31] <Amaranth> After that most multimedia stuff should work.
[09:31] <Spinaltapp> i don't do much... i mess with photoshop a lot, for which i'll have to keep windows around, and I watch dvds, though i assume I can do that with ubuntu. but I went through the other day and pretty much everything else I do is available in linux
[09:31] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:31] <zenrox> that will show you how to get some of the minor anoyancies set up and fixed
[09:31] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:31] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:31] <zenrox> some one kick him
[09:31] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:31] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:31] <Amaranth> Spinaltapp: With WINE or Crossover Office you can run Photoshop on Ubuntu.
[09:31] <vjaz> Um... at this point I'd like to ask: Why on earth are there no ops on this channel?
[09:31] <Spinaltapp> really? do either cost anything?
[09:31] <neighborlee> Ramstein_fan: pervert
[09:31] <topyli> just learn gimp
[09:32] <bascule> Ramstein_fan: it's not doing you ant good I'll tell you that
[09:32] <Amaranth> bob2: PING?
[09:32] <Rammstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:32] <Teflon_tony> Gimp is a great program
[09:32] <Amaranth> jdub: PING?
[09:32] <Teflon_tony> I have that on my Mac
[09:32] <Rammstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:32] <neighborlee> are there no OPS in here ?..come ON people
[09:32] <Rammstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:32] <Amaranth> Ha, I knew I'd find one. :)
[09:32] <zenrox> thare
[09:32] <Amaranth> Thanks jdub.
[09:32] <lordan> jdub, thanks
[09:32] <vjaz> \o/
[09:32] <neighborlee> kewl thx jdub
[09:32] <Spinaltapp> yeah i messed with it a little. i've been using Photoshop for like 4 years though, i know it inside and out and I don't really want to get rid of it
[09:32] <zenrox> thx jdub
[09:32] <daniels> oh dear
[09:32] <vjaz> go jdub
[09:32] <daniels> jdub: good catch
[09:33] <Dreamer3_> Spinaltapp: then get PS for linux
[09:33] <neighborlee> nice kick LOL
[09:33] <Spinaltapp> but i hate pretty much everything else about windows :)
[09:33] <Teflon_tony> Good show kicking that spammer
[09:33] <Amaranth> Spinaltapp: WINE is free, Crossover Office costs $30 (i think) but it's easier to use.
[09:33] <Teflon_tony> I like this channel already :)
[09:33] <Spinaltapp> yeah that was nice
[09:33] <Dreamer3_> Spinaltapp: http://www.adobe.com/photoshop/linux/
[09:33] <Amaranth> Dreamer3_: I thought that was a closed beta.
[09:33] <zenrox> Dreamer3_,  thay got it out allready
[09:33] <Spinaltapp> hmm
[09:33] <Dreamer3_> Amaranth: there is one? *laughs* i was only playing
[09:34] <zenrox> Dreamer3_,  thare is one thay are going to gome out with
[09:34] <Dreamer3> zenrox: wow, about time
[09:34] <Spinaltapp> i'll probably just keep windows around for PS, plus my family won't want to switch to Linux because they're idiots, so I'll leave XP on there for them
[09:34] <Dreamer3> but that would free a lot of companies to move :)
[09:34] <Spinaltapp> OpenOffice is better anyway
[09:34] <Spinaltapp> heh
[09:34] <Dreamer3> but WAY slower
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> I use it in windows
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> yeah
[09:35] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  but rember if thay used linux your pc wont get as much crap on it
[09:35] <Dreamer3> word opens in like <1 second, and OO takes 5-10, what's up? :)
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> i freakin LOVE open source software though...
[09:35] <topyli> Spinaltapp: also if you have lots of windows games you like you'll want to keep windows around
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> Gaim kicks major ass, no spyware
[09:35] <Teflon_tony> MS will NEVER release Office for Linux
[09:35] <Teflon_tony> its a losing proposition for them
[09:35] <Dreamer3> Teflon_tony: after windows loses dominance they might
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> actually i pretty much don't game at all, which is a big factor in my decision to switch
[09:35] <Teflon_tony> Then perhaps
[09:35] <Dreamer3> Teflon_tony: of course by then it may be too late
[09:35] <topyli> Teflon_tony: yeah, windows would die
[09:35] <bascule> Dreamer3: cause like IE office is tied to the shell, hence the office exploits as well as the Interne Exploiter ones
[09:36] <Spinaltapp> i use Autocad for work and school, so i'll need the linux version of that
[09:36] <vjaz> Dreamer3, Doesn't MS Office use some background process which loads most of Office at system startup?
[09:36] <zenrox> topyli,  a small fraction will install native in linux another %age will run with wine
[09:36] <bascule> sucky security but fast startup, take your pick
[09:36] <Dreamer3> vjaz: even without that :)
[09:36] <johnnybezak> windows makes office for mac os x
[09:36] <Amaranth> Office is one of their main profit makers. If saw that Windows was going to die out they'd release Office for as many OSes as possible to keep people using it.
[09:36] <Dreamer3> vjaz: i always turn off all the auto-office crap :)
[09:36] <Teflon_tony> Mac OSX doesn't threaten Windows
[09:36] <Teflon_tony> Linux does
[09:36] <Dreamer3> vjaz: and relaunching word/excel/etc is almost instant... not so for OO
[09:36] <bascule> it's a windows extension
[09:36] <Spinaltapp> Here's a nice linux question for you guys:
[09:36] <Teflon_tony> Linux has the scalability to beat then in the long run
[09:37] <bascule> tather than a seperate app, that is how you get the integration
[09:37] <Spinaltapp> I saw a desktop application called Xpde yesterday that i'd like to use. is that possible with Ubuntu?
[09:37] <zenrox> Teflon_tony,  and run on less hardware
[09:37] <Teflon_tony> yep
[09:37] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  xpde??
[09:37] <Amaranth> Worms Armageddon > *
[09:37] <Spinaltapp> yeah
[09:37] <Teflon_tony> that is why they can't release it on Linux it would kill them
[09:37] <vjaz> Dreamer3, I agree.
[09:37] <Spinaltapp> www.xpde.org
[09:37] <topyli> urgh
[09:37] <Teflon_tony> people would migrate to Linux even faster, only licensing Office from them
[09:37] <Teflon_tony> it would kill windows
[09:38] <Spinaltapp> it's a desktop interface that mimics windows XP very closely
[09:38] <Dreamer3> office isn't the only reason people use windows though :)
[09:38] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  that dont work
[09:38] <Spinaltapp> only without sucking
[09:38] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: For some reason I see them selling their win32 system.
[09:38] <Dreamer3> version 2 of open source products usually really impress me
[09:38] <Spinaltapp> www.xpde.com  sorry
[09:39] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: In WinNT, Win2k, and WinXP the win32 API is a seperate layer over the kernel so I bet it'd be possible to port.
[09:39] <PoW> How do I take a screenshot of my desktop in KDE?
[09:39] <zenrox> Dreamer3, ya casue at the point thay got the basics down then thay ad eye candy
[09:39] <Amaranth> Imagine them selling it for $200 for Linux. :)
[09:39] <Teflon_tony> Of course its possible to port
[09:39] <Dreamer3> zenrox: i don't want eye candy, i just want it to open better and make more sense in a few areas
[09:39] <Teflon_tony> for gods sakes they ported it Macs which are on a different architechure
[09:39] <Teflon_tony> Its a matte of shooting themselves in the foot
[09:40] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  yes you can install something liek that thats called a desktopenviroment (like gnome)
[09:40] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: I'm not saying they'd do it now. I'm saying if Windows drops to below 50% market share.
[09:41] <zenrox> id like to see windows start with new code
[09:41] <zenrox> os tho
[09:41] <Teflon_tony> Apple is not compition because they are a hardware company, and their computers are locked in, people on the other hand can readily switch to Linux on the same hardware they run their buggy windows, one of the way they keep people who use X86 using windows is via office, if they give up having exclusive office rights on X86, they might as well release the source code and call it a night
[09:41] <zenrox> opensource
[09:41] <warty> bah sorry about that
[09:41] <mpq> my mouse doesn't work right
[09:41] <warty> anyway, would the Xpde desktop interface work with Ubuntu?
[09:42] <mpq> I'm on a laptop, and the on/off button for the touchpad doesn't work
[09:42] <zenrox> warty,  technaly yes but i ant never played with it
[09:42] <mpq> the light goes on and off but the touchpad stays on
[09:42] <bascule> Teflon_tony: you underestimate MSs ability to turn a buck .. :)
[09:42] <Amaranth> zenrox: It doesn't need a complete rewrite. They just need to take the drivers back out of the kernel (in NT 3 they weren't in the kernel) and use something like Avalon instead of GDI (that's why Longhorn is there, a transition).
[09:42] <mpq> does anyone know how to fix it?
[09:43] <Teflon_tony> I see whats your saying, but I also think you underestimate their ablity to guard a virtual monopoly :)
[09:43] <bascule> if it is free, how do you build a better mousetrap?
[09:43] <zenrox> Amaranth,  but a compleate rewrite (minus rewriting there kernel) might not be a bad idea tho
[09:44] <Teflon_tony> they have licensed SCO unix
[09:44] <lappy> hi
[09:44] <Amaranth> The NT kernel is actually really good. Also it sounds like some of the people at MS are disappointed that drivers are still running in ring 0 (kernel) in Longhorn.
[09:44] <bascule> Teflon_tony: don't open that one up!! :P
[09:44] <zenrox> ya
[09:44] <Teflon_tony> who knows maybe they will take the a hand from Apple, and build a Unix core based OS
[09:44] <warty_> grrr
[09:44] <bascule> that was a blatant legal fee subsidy
[09:44] <Amaranth> SCO Unix is absolutely worthless.
[09:44] <zenrox> agreed
[09:44] <warty_> anyway, like i was freaking saying about the Xpde desktop before i kept closing the damn window...
[09:44] <zenrox> bsd is much better
[09:44] <lappy> how do i install kde in synaptics?  i search for it in packages but it didnt find anything
[09:45] <Teflon_tony> Ok well they could use BSD
[09:45] <Teflon_tony> all I am saying is maybe they will stop trying to reinvent the wheel
[09:45] <vjaz> lappy, you need to enable the universe repository
[09:45] <zenrox> warty_,  yes technaly it can but youd have to compile it your self
[09:45] <Teflon_tony> and just go with a *nix
[09:45] <warty_> oh boo!
[09:45] <warty_> lol
[09:45] <lappy> vjaz, how do i do that? please bear with me.  i just finished installing ubuntu for my first time
[09:45] <bascule> Teflon_tony: there is a sig from a slashdot user that says "Give enough time and mioney MS will re-write UNIX"
[09:45] <warty_> alright then, i'm out for the night. it's nearly 3am here. class tomorrow...
[09:45] <zenrox> bascule,  lol
[09:45] <Dreamer3> lappy: have you added world?
[09:46] <Teflon_tony> LOL
[09:46] <Teflon_tony> probably
[09:46] <bascule> yup, it is going that way
[09:46] <vjaz> lappy, See Settings->Repositories in Synaptic
[09:46] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: I don't see MS ever moving to something *nix based when they have a kernel written by some of the best people from DEC. :)
[09:47] <Slike> hello, how do I make an application shortcut (on my desktop) for a jar-file?
[09:47] <vjaz> lappy, There should be a disabled archive.ubuntu.com -entry there.
[09:47] <Slike> java is already in my path
[09:47] <vjaz> lappy, You need to enable that.
[09:47] <Amaranth> Maybe a more *nix like userland (longhorn is going to have this with a new shell).
[09:47] <Dreamer3> yeah, Windows XP is very solid
[09:47] <lappy> vjaz, ok. hangon
[09:47] <Teflon_tony> lol
[09:47] <topyli> Slike: in the command line, write something like 'java -jar /path/to/jar-file'
[09:47] <Dreamer3> it's IE/Outlook Express, spyware, registry corruption and other issues that plague windows
[09:48] <lappy> vjaz, are u referring to the one that says "universe"?
[09:48] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  i agree
[09:48] <dud> the problem with windows xp is that its way too playmobile for the power users
[09:48] <zenrox> xp is nice once virus writers decide to target linux
[09:48] <Dreamer3> dud: huh?
[09:48] <Slike> topyli: i know that....but i'd like to have it started with a simple double-click, is that possible?
[09:48] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: If it didn't have all the garbage (RPC, etc) and the drivers weren't in the kernel (almost a non-issue with certified drivers) WinXP would be the best OS out there for desktop users.
[09:48] <vjaz> lappy, yes
[09:48] <lappy> vjaz, so i hit the reload button right?
[09:48] <topyli> Slike: yes, right click the desktop and select 'Create Launcher'
[09:49] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: i just like the freedom of linux
[09:49] <topyli> Slike: there's a command line
[09:49] <vjaz> lappy, after enabling the repository, yes
[09:49] <Dreamer3> xp prolly runs better/fasted on this lappy
[09:49] <Amaranth> Slike: Make the shortcut run 'java -jar /path/to/file.jar' (without quotes).
[09:49] <vjaz> lappy, then you should be able to find kde
[09:49] <Neil3> Dreamer3, i also think file organisation and management on windows isnt as solid as nix, like users only being able to write to their home dir and stuff
[09:49] <Slike> amaranth: then it says something like java not found
[09:49] <Neil3> and apps being in one place, libraries in another etc
[09:49] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: Yeah, I love it too. That's why I use Ubuntu even though XP worked better for me and I knew how to lock it down properly.
[09:49] <zenrox> Neil3,  i agree
[09:49] <Neil3> very well organised and tidy in nix
[09:49] <Dreamer3> Neil3: true, but windows can be locked down, just FYI
[09:50] <Neil3> yeah
[09:50] <zenrox> linux's files system is nise and easy
[09:50] <zenrox> very logical
[09:50] <Neil3> the registry is a real pain too sometimes
[09:50] <Neil3> configuration files are definitely easier to work with
[09:50] <topyli> Slike: then use the full path to java, like '/usr/bin/java'. it might not read your variables right
[09:50] <Amaranth> Neil3: Too bad GNOME had to copy that. :P
[09:50] <Neil3> heh
[09:50] <Dreamer3> lol@ Amaranth
[09:50] <zenrox> i jsut like how linux handles ram
[09:50] <Neil3> yeah
[09:50] <Amaranth> And they are trying to get everything to use it so their new admin tool will work properly.
[09:50] <zenrox> fill ram up before useing swap
[09:51] <zenrox> win= fill swap up then complain
[09:51] <Neil3> and i dont have a million and one things running in the background phoning home or whatever
[09:51] <Amaranth> pfft, in windows i didn't need swap unless i was using photoshop
[09:51] <Dreamer3> Neil3: that's also your choice :)
[09:51] <Amaranth> it was nice to be able to enable and disable swap as needed
[09:51] <Dreamer3> Neil3: it's possible to keep windows boxes clean if you avoid IE :)
[09:51] <Neil3> true
[09:51] <bascule> swapoff, swapon
[09:51] <Neil3> but you have to work around it
[09:51] <Neil3> with linux it just 'is'
[09:51] <bascule> do that on doze without it crashing
[09:51] <lappy> vjaz, i have a usb drive.  when i plugged it in, it got mounted automatically.  can i just unplug it or is there a "umount" way of doing it?
[09:51] <zenrox> Amaranth,  i only have a 128meg swap file and only use 30mges of it after 2 days of constant uptime
[09:51] <Amaranth> Neil3: Only because someone did it for you (Ubuntu, SuSE, etc)
[09:51] <Neil3> and most novice windows users wont know to tweak services etc
[09:52] <Neil3> hehe
[09:52] <Neil3> true
[09:52] <Dreamer3> we have clients with very solid WIndows XP networks
[09:52] <Amaranth> So far nothing beats AD, either.
[09:52] <Dreamer3> no one has admin accounts... known good software, few issues
[09:52] <bascule> not much crap software on them I take it
[09:52] <bascule> yeah
[09:52] <Amaranth> SUS is finally beaten by package managers with local servers
[09:53] <vjaz> lappy, right click on the icon on your desktop and select "eject" I think
[09:53] <Neil3> with windows you're pretty much stuck with the explorer desktop
[09:53] <Amaranth> bascule: Programs that require admin-level access to things can get it with very tight ACLs setup.
[09:53] <Dreamer3> with a linux firewall/proxy/domain controller running the show :)
[09:53] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  but who dont want to use a admin account winxp (just casue it limets installing programs
[09:53] <Slike> ok, with the full path it works...
[09:53] <bascule> i think Linux and windows currently stand on a level playing feild in terms of usability
[09:53] <Dreamer3> zenrox: huh?
[09:53] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  ignore me
[09:53] <johnnybezak> bascule: no way man
[09:53] <Dreamer3> zenrox: ok
[09:53] <zenrox> hehehe
[09:53] <lappy> vjaz, ok thx
[09:54] <bascule> johnnybezak: why
[09:54] <johnnybezak> bascule: too many things need tweaking
[09:54] <Amaranth> bascule: Once the Linux Standard Base gets used by all the major distros people will just be able to download an RPM off a website (yeah, i know, RPM) and install it just like Windows.
[09:54] <zenrox> hardware is one of them
[09:54] <Amaranth> So it'll be even easier to use Linux.
[09:54] <johnnybezak> bascule: to get working properly, dont get me wrong I like tweaking stuff, windows is still more usable
[09:54] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: well, libc versions still impact that
[09:54] <topyli> Amaranth: i don't want to install stuff like in windows :)
[09:54] <bascule> yes, support from the majior hw manufacturers is a big step that will be gradual
[09:55] <johnnybezak> Amaranth: I think a package manager is better than going to a website and installing things
[09:55] <zenrox> yep
[09:55] <bascule> johnnybezak: nah tweaks are only neede for some hardware
[09:55] <zenrox> just like windows
[09:55] <bascule> yup
[09:55] <Neil3> package installing is so easy and fast
[09:55] <Amaranth> johnnybezak: Not for CustomApp 0.1 from SmallSoftwareCo that doesn't have it's proprietary software in any repositories.
[09:56] <bascule> linux is far more tweakable, but it isn't neccessary to do, given the right hardware
[09:56] <distvan> I haven't  /dev/fd0 and I can't use the floppy. How do I create it?
[09:56] <Neil3> in windows you have to click 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'reboot'
[09:56] <johnnybezak> bascule: every time i install a distro i have to at least tweak something be it video/sound
[09:56] <johnnybezak> or whatever
[09:56] <zenrox> bascule, and not so hard on cpu resources with eyecand like windows is
[09:57] <johnnybezak> Amaranth: thats not a problem with package managemnet thats a problem with SmallSoftwareCo
[09:57] <Amaranth> Neil3: Linux doesn't have DLL Hell because package managers control overwriting libs, too.
[09:57] <bascule> johnnybezak: If I hand you a brnd new box and a XP disc, it will take more work than Ubuntu
[09:57] <zenrox> bascule, is right
[09:57] <johnnybezak> bascule: yeah youre probably right man (haha im just thinking what it took to install xp on my friends lap top today :P)
[09:57] <Amaranth> johnnybezak: Now does SmallSoftwareCo get Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE, and Red Hat to put their app in the repositories? If they have to make their own it would be easier to provide an RPM.
[09:58] <distvan> Special device /dev/fd0 does not exist. Could you help me?
[09:58] <bascule> johnnybezak: there you go, it is a reality, XP is 4 years old though
[09:58] <Amaranth> I wish people would follow Apple's lead and work to make things faster every release.
[09:59] <Amaranth> It seems like some Linux devs are starting to try.
[09:59] <bascule> KDE do, not that I like them
[09:59] <bascule> them/it
[09:59] <Amaranth> KDE didn't have much of a choice, it was heavier then WinXP.
[09:59] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: It will boot faster. ;)
[09:59] <bascule> but they are doing it
[09:59] <zenrox> Dreamer3, it is in my opion
[09:59] <Amaranth> Seems like the GNOME folks are doing it too.
[09:59] <vjaz> There's a post on OSNews about an effort to reduce GTK+'s memory requirements.
[10:00] <Dreamer3> vjaz: linkx?
[10:00] <johnnybezak> stuff on linux is consistently quicker than on xp or mac os x
[10:00] <Amaranth> And GNOME 3 is supposed to be a lot lighter.
[10:00] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: where can i read all this
[10:00] <johnnybezak> im running ubuntu/flux on my iMac 17" cos its much more responsive
[10:00] <johnnybezak> Gnome 3 isn't even planned yet is it?
[10:01] <Neil3> yeah its in development johnnybezak
[10:01] <PoW> How do I take a screenshot of my desktop in KDE?
[10:01] <johnnybezak> I read on the gnome site I think that gnome 3 will be the release of gnome that breaks backwards compatibility, but i'm probably just mistaken
[10:01] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: I pick it up from blogs. For GNOME 3 they are pushing to simplify dependencies by getting rid of unused APIs and simplifiying things so some aren't needed. Plus combining some of them.
[10:01] <Slike> PoW: Ksnapshot
[10:01] <PoW> Where is that at?
[10:01] <Slike> alt+f2 and fill the word in ;-)
[10:01] <Neil3> that sounds extremely cool Amaranth
[10:01] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: Which will mean less shit to load into memory just to load a simple little app.
[10:01] <Neil3> efficiency
[10:02] <Neil3> aye
[10:02] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: true
[10:02] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: though i find gnome better in taht regard than KDE
[10:02] <Amaranth> I've heard talks of removing GnomeProgram even. ;)
[10:02] <zenrox> and be able to run on a lower mem box
[10:02] <Amaranth> Yeah, GNOME has always been better at it then KDE it seems.
[10:02] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: at least when i compared library linking and startup time of "calc" (kde or gnome)... gnome was was faster with less dynamic linking
[10:02] <Neil3> could perhaps dig out the amiga 500 with 1mb ram from the attic!
[10:02] <Neil3> here's hoping
[10:02] <zenrox> lol
[10:03] <Amaranth> GNOME looks sexy to people who like fast and sleek, KDE looks sexy to people who like flashy things. ;)
[10:03] <zenrox> id love to see gnome load on that
[10:03] <bascule> still good for a game of sensible soccer
[10:03] <Neil3> gnome is more elegant imo
[10:03] <zenrox> i agree
[10:03] <Dreamer3> *would love a faster laptop period to run Gnome on*
[10:03] <Neil3> like a tall slim brunette in an evening dress
[10:03] <Neil3> as oposed to kde which is a busty blonde with lots of makeup
[10:03] <Neil3> a little more curvatious
[10:03] <bascule> KDE is a tart with too much make-up
[10:03] <zenrox> agreed
[10:04] <Dreamer3> lol
[10:04] <Dreamer3> lol
[10:04] <Dreamer3> rofl
[10:04] <zenrox> i have bine using gnome since rh 7.0
[10:04] <Dreamer3> that was good
[10:04] <mpq> I've never seen KDE but I guess I don't need to
[10:04] <mpq> I'll take the brunette any day
[10:04] <Dreamer3> though i think xfce is the cute red-head that goes unoticed by most guys
[10:04] <johnnybezak> i think kde is fine it just needs usability work (think amount of buttons in konqueror)
[10:04] <bascule> heh, acme up with it in a KDE/xfce flame I was having with a freind
[10:04] <bascule> came*
[10:04] <Amaranth> KDE 4 is probably going to blow us all away though. They are going to use gstreamer (or something similar) and Qt 4 and are trying to get things smaller and faster.
[10:05] <zenrox> nice
[10:05] <Neil3> perhaps kde and gnome will merge one day
[10:05] <bascule> and aren't they just gonna soooooo overdo the composite transparecncy ... :P
[10:05] <Dreamer3> ROFL
[10:05] <PoW> Slike, the command Ksnapshot was not found.
[10:05] <Dreamer3> kde and gnome won't merge
[10:05] <Neil3> you never know
[10:05] <mpq> what does kde look like?
[10:05] <daniels> desktop environment flamewars somewhere else please; relevant discussion (e.g. amaranth's last comment) is fine, but none of the random 'omg kde sux'/'omg gnome sux' please
[10:05] <zenrox> PoW,  install it
[10:05] <PoW> Oh it's a package
[10:05] <PoW> lol
[10:05] <bascule> mpq: wwww.kde.org, screenshots
[10:05] <PoW> alright thanks
[10:06] <mpq> thanks
[10:06] <bascule> one less w of course :)
[10:06] <bascule> lol
[10:06] <zenrox> lol
[10:07] <Dreamer3> too bad ubuntu is mostly a community of "tall slim brunettes in an evening dresses"...
[10:07] <Neil3> haha
[10:07] <Neil3> with a glass of red wine in their hands
[10:07] <ells> does anyone know of an app that will allow me to pull files from a windows machine remotely
[10:07] <zenrox> hahaha but at least we have class
[10:08] <Neil3> yeah
[10:08] <Neil3> gnome does feel classy
[10:08] <Neil3> definitely
[10:08] <zenrox> ells samba www.ubuntuguide.org to set it up
[10:08] <bascule> ells: samba and a file browser that will support that
[10:08] <ells> bascule, will it allow my linux machine to pull files from the windows machine
[10:08] <zenrox> yes
[10:08] <Dreamer3> doesn't gnome's nautilius support that out of the vox?
[10:08] <bascule> yes, it is what it does .. :)
[10:09] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  only if it has smbfs
[10:09] <ells> thanks
[10:09] <johnnybezak_> Dreamer3: with ubuntu it does
[10:09] <Dreamer3> zenrox: well, we're talking ubuntu here, right? :)
[10:09] <bascule> in fact MS ask the samba guys stuff about netBIOS (snigger)
[10:09] <Neil3> hahahaa
[10:09] <zenrox> hahahahaha
[10:09] <ells> i just rebuilt a machine and it the video card wont display properly, it locks after i install
[10:10] <Dreamer3> bascule: oh yeah?
[10:10] <Neil3> samba does work so well actually
[10:10] <ells> so I guess i will have to put windows on that one
[10:10] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  yes but smbfs helps so that it can mount it
[10:10] <bascule> Dreamer3: yeah they did consultancy work for them for 2k3
[10:10] <Neil3> you know its a good app when you don't realise it's there but its silently doing its thing
[10:10] <zenrox> Neil3,  yep
[10:11] <Dreamer3> like the taskbar clock
[10:11] <Neil3> gotta go to work bbl!
[10:11] <Dreamer3> it never locks up
[10:11] <Dreamer3> always shows the time
[10:11] <zenrox> or weather app
[10:13] <zenrox> but one thaing i know forshure ubuntu is now my linux flavor till the end of time
[10:14] <zenrox> why??
[10:15] <zenrox> ubuntu will release faster than debian
[10:15] <johnnybezak_> i wonder what sort of effect ubuntu has had on debian numbers (if any)
[10:15] <dud> I prefer freebsd on server
[10:16] <Dreamer3> because debian is a ROCK
[10:16] <Dreamer3> and ubuntu is rocklike in many ways :)
[10:16] <zenrox> lol
[10:16] <egli> jonathaN: good question. It might take away from debian
[10:16] <johnnybezak_> i was on mac os x recently, the bsd man pages are waaayyyy better than the GNU ones has any one else noticed this?
[10:16] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to get my wireless lan up. I can associate, but dhcp doesn't give me an ip when I do an ifup eth1. Where should I go from here?
[10:16] <egli> or it might bring new people to debian
[10:17] <dud> i *really* dont fucking like the new d-i installer
[10:17] <zenrox> rock <--> hard place   debian<-->ubuntu
[10:17] <Dreamer3> my laptop switched from Debian to Ubuntu... because I like the idea of newer software but not constantly changing (was running sarge/testing)
[10:17] <Dreamer3> dud: i like it except partiting seems more complicated than necessary
[10:17] <dud> its just not very initiutive, and i feel like I have no control compared to the good old one
[10:17] <Dreamer3> but for servers i think i'd like real debian :)
[10:17] <dud> and its prone to breakage as well
[10:17] <Bungo> I'm building a new system which I will run Ubuntu on. Any reccomendations for CPU/MB? (I was thinking of Athlon 64 with NForce4 Ultra mainboard)
[10:17] <bascule> they have that proven track record don't they
[10:18] <dud> imho nothing beats freebsd for serving content
[10:18] <zenrox> dud i am using ubuntu as a server
[10:18] <johnnybezak_> dud: hpw come?
[10:18] <zenrox> and its pretty sollid
[10:18] <Dreamer3> dud: i haven't had issues with it
[10:19] <dud> first of all its solid, and the ports system just rocks the socks off, and the init system is excellent
[10:19] <zenrox> me too Dreamer3
[10:19] <Dreamer3> heck, even a 2500 AMD XP would be blazing
[10:19] <dud> I recommend freebsd as servers and generally ubuntu for desktop, for all my clients
[10:19] <zenrox> 2ghz celron(p4core)
[10:20] <bascule> even a 2500, a 2500 is pretty good really
[10:20] <Dreamer3> i tried freebsd, couldn't get into it
[10:20] <Dreamer3> i'm just too rooted in linux
[10:20] <Dreamer3> and not enough time
[10:20] <zenrox> id do my sysinfo script here but its offtopic;)
[10:20] <bascule> me too, I just couldn't really be bothered relearning another OS
[10:20] <johnnybezak_> i ran a 2500XP it was pretty sweet
[10:20] <zenrox> but i can do it in #ubuntuforums
[10:20] <dud> I've been using freebsd for server for so long now... back with freebsd 3.x series
[10:20] <johnnybezak_> (now back on the 800 mhz g4 :P)
[10:21] <bascule> damn you
[10:21] <bascule> :)
[10:21] <johnnybezak_> dud: i'm going to make a little server, considering a bsd
[10:21] <dud> i have an athlon64 3000+ with 1GB RAM
[10:21] <dud> pretty sweet
[10:21] <johnnybezak_> thats what my house mate has
[10:21] <bascule> oh well ...
[10:21] <DeusY> i have lost grub from my mbr. my distro is warty. any link on how to get the boot loader back using the warty installation cd?
[10:21] <Dreamer3> is the bsd kernel/app faster than linux on relaly old hardware (486/original pentium)?
[10:22] <bascule> maybe next year ...
[10:22] <zenrox> welp i am off to bed all night and thx for the rousing convertaions
[10:23] <bascule> night
[10:23] <dud> johnnybezak_, openbsd only works as a security concept, netbsd works for routers based on 386 pcs
[10:23] <dud> and freebsd just works ;)
[10:23] <johnnybezak_> freebsd has got the flag logo doesnt it?
[10:24] <dud> freebsd has a dmon as its mascot
[10:24] <Dreamer3> freebsd is what i tried...
[10:24] <Dreamer3> couldn't go into it
[10:24] <Dreamer3> couldn't get into it
[10:25] <daniels> guys, y'know there's #freebsd ...
[10:25] <Dreamer3> daniels: if nothing else is happening, why not? :)
[10:25] <DeusY> hoary (5.04) is a final or a preview version ?
[10:26] <johnnybezak_> yeah i've used mac os x a bit which is bsd based
[10:26] <bascule> DeusY: preview, still testing
[10:26] <daniels> Dreamer3: because it might intimidate people who want to use it for support stuff
[10:26] <DeusY> thanks
[10:26] <Dreamer3> daniels: so a quiet room is more inviting?
[10:27] <daniels> not dead silent, but not as abuzz with freebsd chatter
[10:27] <Slike> hmm....my java problem is quite strange...$PATH in console returns this:bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin: Onbekend bestand of map
[10:27] <Dreamer3> daniels: you have valid points
[10:27] <Slike> "onbekend bestand of map" = "unknown folder/file"
[10:27] <Slike> but it is there
[10:27] <DeusY> still, can you please point me at a howto or something on restoing GRUB on a lost MBR for Warty (I do not have the grub floppydisk)
[10:28] <bascule> :/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin
[10:28] <DeusY> i just have the warty cd
[10:28] <bascule> perhaps the trailing :
[10:28] <Slike> might be that idd....
[10:29] <Slike> how do I remove that ":"? i added this to /etc/bash.bashrc: JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01
[10:29] <Slike> export JAVA_HOME
[10:29] <Slike> PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[10:29] <Slike> export PATH
[10:30] <bascule> hmmm
[10:30] <bascule> DeusY: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootinstallcd and a little further on too
[10:30] <Slike> or is there some other way to get this in the $path variable?
[10:30] <DeusY> thanks
[10:31] <bascule> Slike: export $PATH , what does it say?
[10:31] <bascule> echo $PATH
[10:31] <bascule> damn dont do the export
[10:31] <bascule> well not the end of the worldif you do
[10:32] <Slike> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin
[10:32] <Slike> but my compiler isn't found....
[10:33] <bascule> and if you ls -l /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01 it is there?
[10:33] <Slike> and i have trouble with eclipse (saying that java is not in my path
[10:33] <Slike> it's there yes
[10:33] <bascule> source /etc/profile
[10:33] <bascule> try again
[10:34] <Slike> i entered that command...tried to compile (with jGRASP if that matters) but still the same
[10:34] <bascule> whereis javac
[10:35] <Slike> inside the bin-folder (/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin/javac), standard place
[10:36] <bascule> no aas a command, whereis javac
[10:36] <Slike> sorry ;)
[10:36] <bascule> it will show you, which javac will do the same
[10:36] <Slike> it returns: javac:
[10:36] <bascule> ;-?
[10:36] <bascule> :-/
[10:37] <bascule> :-(
[10:37] <bascule> lol
[10:37] <Slike> is it possible it's using parts of gcc or something, instead of the sun-sdk?
[10:37] <bascule> not if you told it not to
[10:37] <bascule> or didn't tell it to rather
[10:39] <bascule> echo $JAVA_PATH
[10:39] <Slike> this returns an empty line
[10:39] <dud> thats the problem then
[10:39] <bascule> export JAVA_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin
[10:40] <dud> shouldnt that be without the /bin part?
[10:40] <Nermal> Slike, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:40] <bascule> perhaps you made a common mistake and applied spaces to the var
[10:40] <dud> and in path $JAVA_PATH/bin?
[10:40] <bascule> dud: sometimes yes, sometimes no ...
[10:40] <bascule> dud: you are right
[10:41] <Nermal> Slike, just add another ln -s for the javac bin
[10:41] <zzyber> Hi! Im installing Ubuntu on my friends laptop and i want to activate the pcmcia nic during install, how is that possible?
[10:42] <Slike> now i have $JAVA_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin , but it still doesn't compile or start eclipse
[10:44] <marcin_ant> Slike: you need to export JAVA_HOME and JAVA_PATH in the same terminal session you want to run eclipse
[10:44] <raghu> zzyber: it should do automatically you can notice while installing
[10:45] <Slike> hmmm...it keeps on doing strange things....
[10:45] <Slike> not what i want it to do
[10:46] <Slike> i just would like to have this runtime & compiler stuff in my path permanently...but the ubuntuguide stuff doesn't seem to work here completely
[10:50] <billytwowilly> what's the deal with the array stuff?
[10:51] <stuNNed> it's like a release cycle afaik
[10:57] <dikatlon> hey i have put up a mirror for ubuntu
[10:57] <dikatlon> http://dikatlon.homelinux.com/linux/
[10:57] <acidmaxd> question: ubuntu warty, upgraded && dist-upgraded. /bin/login, /bin/su, /usr/sbin/useradd, /usr/sbin/usermod, /usr/sbin/vipw are with incorrect (modified) checksums. Do you think that this machine has been compromised?
[10:57] <dikatlon> It's a swedish mirror in fact
[10:58] <bascule> acidmaxd: ckrootkit
[10:58] <DeusY> dude, maybe I did something wrong, but i get errors trying to restore grub the way the ubuntuguide describes ot
[10:58] <bascule> chkrootkit
[10:59] <bascule> DeusY: what sort of errors?
[10:59] <DeusY> bascule: I get the root acces as described there, i run "grub" than "root (hd0,0)" then "setup (hd0)"
[11:00] <DeusY> here i get "Cannot mount..."
[11:00] <DeusY> Error 17
[11:00] <DeusY> :/
[11:00] <trukulo> anyone using atitvout with hoary?
[11:01] <Slike|Gone> finally got it working...i installed some preconfigured packages :)
[11:01] <bascule> DeusY: so you mount /dev/discs/disc0/part? /ubuntu
[11:01] <DeusY> yeap
[11:01] <bascule> try it this way:
[11:01] <bascule> mount -o rw /dev/discs/disc0/part? /ubuntu
[11:02] <bascule> perhaps mounted it read only
[11:02] <DeusY> part? shoub be the partiotion where ubuntu is installed, isn't it? (i have only one patiotion / and the swap)
[11:03] <bascule> yeas, so hda3 would be /dev/discs/disc0/part3
[11:03] <TheMuso_> Does anybody know whether the community council meeting is on today?
[11:03] <DeusY> ok, thanks
[11:03] <DeusY> i'll try again
[11:04] <bascule> DeusY: it is because devfs or udev haven't been run that yiu refer to it that way, if you care ...
[11:04] <bascule> and the -o rw makes it writable
[11:04] <bascule> which it needs to be
[11:04] <delltony> question is it a known bug that recent document clear doesn't work or should i file a bugreport on bugzilla?
[11:04] <DeusY> thanks dude, i'll be back in a couple of minutes to tell you if it's working
[11:04] <bascule> search bugzilla first, if no then do it
[11:05] <bascule> DeusY: OK
[11:05] <acidmaxd> bascule: i've checked it using chkrootkit - nothing. rkhunter reports these files as modified
[11:06] <bascule> I dunno that app, but the upgrade may have changed them since it looked at those files
[11:06] <chris_> where should I put a startup script to enable my rf switch?
[11:06] <bascule> so it's list of md5s look different
[11:06] <acidmaxd> bascule: ok, thanks
[11:06] <bascule> np
[11:07] <acidmaxd> bascule: oops: Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  465)
[11:08] <delltony> bascule, ok yeah its a bug curious not too familar with the bugzilla is there a way to make it send you updates of the issue? do you just add yours to cc ?
[11:08] <bascule> delltony: I am not sure, if you add a comment, just something silly like "I get this too" it will mail you ... dirty but will work :)
[11:09] <delltony> nah
[11:09] <bascule> acidmaxd: hmmmm
[11:09] <acidmaxd> bascule: sorry, false alarm - it's stunnel
[11:09] <bascule> ah
[11:09] <delltony> i don't want to clutter their system unless its useful
[11:09] <acidmaxd> smtps
[11:09] <bascule> delltony: If you want to be kept informed of that bug, do it, that is what bugzilla is for
[11:09] <delltony> ok will do
[11:10] <bascule> delltony: there may be a subscribe to this bug option too
[11:10] <bascule> delltony: amen to that, I get the no clearing thing too, but that is hoary ...
[11:10] <DeusY> no success :P
[11:11] <delltony> yeah the trashcan now works though
[11:11] <delltony> before it didn't
[11:11] <bascule> DeusY: what is wrong with the booting on this box?
[11:12] <DeusY> i got widows xp installed and the mbr was overwriten
[11:12] <delltony> but really they need to add that functionality back to gnome the application:/// i will post my program after i test it and make sure it works fine but the thing is the person running it must install php-gtk and the php4-dev kit but anyway
[11:12] <bascule> and now grub won't go back, OK. What was the error this time?
[11:12] <DeusY> so now i am trying to get ubuntu back on track... i could reinstall it alltogether but i am afraid of loosing my updates
[11:12] <chris_> where do I put scripts I want to run at startup?
[11:13] <DeusY> bascule: same error when running "setup (hd0)" in grub: Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[11:13] <bascule>  e.g. Assumed that /dev/hda1 is the location of /boot partition <-- did you notice that ?
[11:13] <bascule> DeusY: ^
[11:13] <delltony> chris_, go to preferences then sessions
[11:13] <bascule> hd(?,?) will need to be changed to reflect this, I dunno though I am a lilo user
[11:13] <acidmaxd> bascule: the strange thing is that i've found my shadow file in /home . nobody has access to this machine, only me
[11:13] <delltony> there is a thing there called startup programs
[11:14] <delltony> you can just add the command there
[11:14] <bascule> acidmaxd: and you didn't copy it there, only root shouold be ab;e to do this ...
[11:14] <chris_> delltony, That's at gnome startup though isn't it?
[11:14] <DeusY> my ubuntu is installed on /dev/hda8
[11:14] <delltony> yeah
[11:14] <delltony> other place i think it xsession or xintrc but not certain on that
[11:14] <DeusY> hda7 is the swap, and others are win
[11:14] <chris_> delltony, I need for system startup. It's for the wireless lan card rfswitch. It need to be turned on before the networking stuff is run.
[11:15] <bascule> DeusY: I am not sure on this, once again I do lilo not grub
[11:15] <acidmaxd> bascule: i didn't
[11:15] <delltony> someone else can correct me but i believe its the .xsession file iirc
[11:15] <DeusY> bascule thanks for your help
[11:15] <bascule> DeusY: np
[11:15] <DeusY> i'll search more on the web
[11:16] <acidmaxd> bascule: this is a mail machine, the users have system accounts, but the shell is '/bin/false', so they shouldn't be able to login
[11:18] <bascule> acidmaxd: I really don't know, /bin/false would prevent a login though
[11:19] <acidmaxd> ok, thanks a lot
[11:19] <bascule> np
[11:21] <snowblink> chris_: man update-rc.d
[11:21] <andy> gday..K7 kernel for Athlon XP processor?
[11:21] <delltony> chris_,  you can add that line to your $HOME/.xinitrc ($Home/.xsession in Debian) as well to start as soon as your X session starts on boot. this was taken from linux laptops
[11:21] <delltony> i used that method on warty for lineakd& hope that helps
[11:23] <snowblink> andy: yes
[11:23] <andy> snowblink: thx mate
[11:24] <andy> can it be made to install K7 from initial install?
[11:24] <andy> doh..nope i386 iso
[11:24] <snowblink> andy: You should apt-get it anyway. That way you get the latest security versions
[11:25] <andy> snowblink: yeh will do that..gonna go reinstall from scratch..i gotta stop messing with debian while i'm drunk
[11:26] <PoW> Can you unzip .zip files using tar?
[11:27] <snowblink> pow: try unzip
[11:27] <snowblink> pow: or gunzip
[11:37] <drasko> Hi all
[11:38] <Jerub> hi!
[11:38] <Jerub> whats the easiest way of migrating from debian to ubuntu without losing data?
[11:38] <Jerub> I'm completely fine about losing system config and package installations
[11:39] <Nermal> have a seperate /home ?
[11:39] <Jerub> is that it?
[11:39] <drasko> I've got a question about apache: a site I put on my machine i coplely browsable from my machine, but from other machine all I see is a homepage with no pictures on it... Site is not browsable at all, I can not go to the any other page of my sit
[11:39] <Haukkari> I'm migrating from Ubuntu to Debian. Why? The damn cedega won't work like it's supposed to. Actually not at all. Sure, it runs but any game won't work
[11:40] <Jerub> Haukkari: whats cedega?
[11:40] <Haukkari> Jerub: the new winex
[11:40] <Haukkari> Jerub: windows emulator, especially for games
[11:41] <Haukkari> But anyway, I mostly use my laptop which has the most kick-ass OS I've ever used so my desktop isn't really a priority... I just use it for windows-gaming and Windows can do that now that I don't need to really use it. =)
[11:41] <Haukkari> And the OS in my laptop is Mac OS X. :)
[11:42] <stijn_> hooray for Haukkari :p
[11:42] <Jerub> oh.
[11:42] <Jerub> if you want windows. run windows.
[11:42] <Jerub> if you want games, get an xbox and a tv tuner.
[11:43] <Jerub> ;)
[11:43] <Jerub> I want a mac mini
[11:45] <PoW> What would be an example gunzip command
[11:46] <PoW> to unzip and save the contents of test.zip
[11:46] <eXhum3d> hello. i just installed ubuntu and i'm trying to get xmms with apt-get, but i get some errors
[11:46] <eXhum3d> isn't it supposed to download all dependencies ?
[11:46] <eXhum3d> thanks in advance
[11:46] <PoW> eXhum3d, tried using synaptic?
[11:46] <Nermal> eXhum3d, should do
[11:46] <Nermal> why the hell would that be any different ?
[11:46] <Nermal> synaptic being a front end to apt
[11:46] <eXhum3d> don't know
[11:47] <PoW> eXhum3d, Did you edit your source.list?
[11:47] <eXhum3d> PoW, no
[11:47] <eXhum3d> what do I have to edit there ?
[11:47] <eXhum3d> i saw that file
[11:47] <eXhum3d> let me check it again
[11:47] <PoW> eXhum3d, well you should uncomment the extras
[11:47] <PoW> to get a large list of packages
[11:48] <eXhum3d> ok, i'll try it
[11:48] <eXhum3d> thanks friends
[11:48] <eXhum3d> well, I did that
[11:48] <eXhum3d> i did apt-get update after that
[11:48] <eXhum3d> and I still got errors
[11:49] <raghu> eXhum3d: what error?
[11:49] <eXhum3d> i'll pastebin it
[11:50] <raghu> eXhum3d: paste in pvt window
[11:50] <membreya> hi there Nermal  :)
[11:51] <dud> yey, my first ubuntu package bug is in the archives <3
[11:51] <dud> bugfix even hehe
[11:51] <membreya> wd dud ;)
[11:52] <Nermal> lo membreya :)
[11:53] <membreya> Nermal: how are your nerdy skills at compiling and using modules? :P
[11:53] <Nermal> pretty good
[11:53] <Nermal> I'm quite rageful and depressed at the moment just to warn you though
[11:54] <dud> weird combination of feelings...
[11:54] <membreya> ok then ... lol :P
[11:55] <membreya> well I compiled a set of quickcam drivers and made a quickcam.ko....I've then insmod'd this module which loads it to memory
[11:55] <membreya> however I add it to /etc/modules and it doesn't load at boot.. I do a modprobe and it says module not found..I have to go back to the compile directory
[11:55] <membreya> and insmod it each time :\
[11:59] <membreya> thinking bout it Nermal ? :P
[12:00] <Nermal> umm..
[12:00] <Nermal> well.. it would need to be in /lib/modules/<kernel version> no ?
[12:01] <Nermal> and then you'd have to add it to /etc/modules.conf
[12:01] <Nermal> and run depmod -a
[12:01] <Nermal> modules.conf is some black magic I've never fully understood
[12:01] <CarlK> how does modprobe know to look in  /lib/modules/<kernel version> for anything?
[12:02] <membreya> so do i need to copy the quickcam.ko anywhere in particular?
[12:02] <CarlK> membreya - did you
[12:02] <CarlK> membreya - did you "make install" ?
[12:02] <membreya> CarlK: sure did do a make install
[12:02] <membreya> but it only made a copy of the .ko in the directory I was in
[12:03] <Nermal> CarlK, it just does
[12:03] <Nermal> that's where modules go
[12:03] <CarlK> heh
[12:03] <membreya> Nermal: /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/image would that be ok to copy the .ko file ?
[12:03] <Nermal> like I said.. black magic :|
[12:03] <Nermal> I think so
[12:04] <membreya> as long as it's somewhere ;)
[12:04] <Nermal> though maybe not under kernel
[12:04] <CarlK> im surprised there isn't a var like PATH
[12:04] <Nermal> as it's not part of the kernel
[12:04] <Nermal> /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/misc or something
[12:04] <CarlK> i need to make breakfast
[12:04] <CarlK> ill be back later
[12:04] <membreya> Nermal: there's no misc directory...if I create one will it know to look in it ?
[12:05] <Nermal> I think so
[12:05] <membreya> one way to find out :P
[12:05] <membreya> so create the directory
[12:05] <Nermal> I really don't know too much about autoloading modules :|
[12:05] <membreya> copy the file
[12:05] <membreya> do a depmod -a
[12:05] <Nermal> then try a modprobe
[12:06] <membreya> hrm ...how do you unload a module ?
[12:07] <membreya> nevermind :)
[12:07] <membreya> just did a modprobe on the quickcam
[12:07] <membreya> and it worked :)
[12:07] <membreya> sweet :D
[12:07] <membreya> now I just have to get the video working lol!
[12:07] <membreya> it apparently outpouts to /dev/video1
[12:08] <membreya> thanks for your help Nermal  :)
[12:09] <membreya> it is all easy enough...once you know how :|
[12:09] <membreya> ask me tomorrow and I will have forgotten
[12:09] <membreya> aaaargh..out of cigarettes :'(
[12:19] <Benuw> Hi folks, does somebody know how to set up a speedtouch 330 adsl modem
[12:19] <Benuw> On ubuntu?
[12:22] <Coily> something happened where i have to click the title bar to switch windows, instead of just clicking anywhere in the window. anyone know whats up?
[12:39] <leveldoc> hi everybody
[12:39] <sobralense> high
[12:40] <leveldoc> does anyone know how to configure my Ubuntu Linux to act as a NFS _CLIENT_, not a server? I can't seem to find a nfs-client package or anything related to it in my repositories
[12:42] <lunitik> leveldoc: nfs is in-kernel... just mount via 'mount -t nfs ip_addr:/path/to/share /where/to/mount'
[12:44] <leveldoc> coolies, thanks!
[12:45] <CarlK> I have found mount to be pretty good at figuring out the type
[12:45] <CarlK> even with loop into an iso image
[12:47] <leveldoc> how do I add automatic mounts to my boot procedure?
[12:47] <leveldoc> just /etc/fstab?
[12:48] <leveldoc> that easy?
[12:48] <CarlK> yup
[12:48] <leveldoc> Ubuntu is the first distro that works out of the box the way I want it to.
[12:48] <CarlK> somewhere in the boot scripts is: mount -a
[12:50] <CarlK> leveldoc - warty or hoary?
[12:50] <leveldoc> warty
[12:50] <leveldoc> installed it yesterday
[12:51] <CarlK> iv done both, but havn't really used the hoary box for anything but firefox
[12:51] <leveldoc> and I am very excited about it, as I have seen a lot of distros over the years but ubuntu seems to top them all - so far. :-)
[12:52] <CarlK> my gf uses the warty box - so far the only problem is sound: playing a wav file loops forever
[12:52] <leveldoc> there are *some* issues regarding being able to install packages; for example, I've added the repositories described in the WIKI to be able to playback MP3s, etc.but sometimes dependency problems arise where I can't seem to make out the problem. :-( For example: I can't install MPlayer.
[12:53] <CarlK> i think xmms installed without any fuss
[12:53] <membreya_> leveldoc: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html
[12:53] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone know how to add tags to a flac music file?
[12:54] <CarlK> hey HiddenWolf
[12:54] <CarlK> did you look at the moose pack site?
[12:54] <leveldoc> membreya_: what do you mean?
[12:54] <leveldoc> I planned on installing it via synaptics
[12:54] <membreya_> leveldoc: sometimes things just arent in the repo's :)
[12:55] <leveldoc> :-)
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> CarlK: not yet, why?
[12:55] <CarlK> I think it does what you are looking for
[12:55] <CarlK> http://musepack.net/index.php?pg=pro
[12:56] <CarlK> high quality, supports tags
[12:56] <Trigx300> can anyone help me config my boot loader to add a boot to my hda1
[12:56] <CarlK> don't know if flac does/doesn
[12:56] <leveldoc> ok, well, according to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/ there are repo's that carry it...
[12:56] <png> i have compiled mplayer successfully but my mplayer doesn't now the esd driver..  When I do mplayer -ao help icant see esound..
[12:56] <leveldoc> "You may then install mplayer using: sudo aptitude install mplayer-X=1.0-pre6a-0.0 "
[12:57] <leveldoc> png: I think you need to set certain ./configure options?
[12:59] <png> leveldoc, there is one option like " --disable-esd          disable esd sound support [autodetect] ".. and i didnt use it..
[01:00] <Trigx300> anyone
[01:01] <Trigx300> can some one help me?
[01:01] <CarlK> Trigx300 - what do you currently have?
[01:01] <Trigx300> grub
[01:02] <Trigx300> im on hda2(ubuntu)
[01:02] <CarlK> Trigx300 - does grub run when you boot the box?
[01:02] <CarlK> what is on hda1?
[01:02] <Trigx300> not automaticly
[01:02] <Trigx300> winxp
[01:03] <CarlK> got it... just a sec
[01:03] <CarlK> the answer is in here - ill try to pull it out for you
[01:04] <CarlK> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10
[01:04] <eXhum3d> hi again. i just installed my ubuntu system but i can't get my soundcard working. and i can't run the command alsaconf: command not found. any suggestions?
[01:05] <CarlK> eXhum3d - what does aplay -l show?
[01:05] <Benuw> Hi folks, how install speedtouch in simple language? What is fgs a repository? I'm not a techie
[01:05] <eXhum3d> CarlK, root@radio:/home/radio # aplay -l
[01:05] <eXhum3d> aplay: device_list:199: no soundcards found...
[01:05] <eXhum3d> root@radio:/home/radio #
[01:05] <elf> helloo
[01:06] <CarlK> Trigx300 - "code listing 4" is very close, only you need to change the root() lines
[01:06] <leveldoc> Benuw: Thompson SpeedTouch DSL Modem?
[01:06] <Benuw> yes
[01:06] <Nermal> lo elf :)
[01:06] <leveldoc> how do you connect to it? USB or Ethernet?
[01:06] <Benuw> usb
[01:06] <leveldoc> ok, wait a sec
[01:07] <eXhum3d> CarlK, what should i do ?
[01:07] <Nermal> Benuw, you'll need the correct firmware
[01:07] <CarlK> Trigx300 - and it is at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:07] <Nermal> to upload to it with modem_run
[01:07] <Nermal> and then some funky ppp config stuff :|
[01:07] <Trigx300> ok thanks
[01:07] <Nermal> my friend got his official ubuntu cds :)
[01:08] <leveldoc> Benuw: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1784
[01:08] <leveldoc> HTH
[01:08] <Benuw> ok thanks , i'll try, what's hth?
[01:09] <leveldoc> hope that helps
[01:09] <leveldoc> :-)
[01:09] <CarlK> eXhum3d - there may be a better way, but it won't hurt to figure out what driver to use - this page will help figure that out: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:09] <Benuw> thx
[01:09] <CarlK> Trigx300 - code listing 4, root (hd0,0)
[01:11] <CarlK> Trigx300 - run grub, then the 3 lines in Code Listing 8, only the first line is root (hd0,1)
[01:12] <eXhum3d> CarlK, 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]  (rev 02)
[01:12] <eXhum3d>  what is the driver then? :D
[01:12] <jcoiron> hello
[01:12] <CarlK> eXhum3d - find the alsa link
[01:13] <Nermal> eXhum3d, modprobe snd-ens1371
[01:13] <Nermal> is the alsa driver
[01:13] <sirukin> oy zeedo
[01:13] <HiddenWolf> CarlK: easytag looks promising
[01:13] <eXhum3d> Nermal, ok, did that. any way to see if its already installed?
[01:13] <Nermal> lsmod
[01:13] <Nermal> will show you if the module is loaded
[01:13] <Nermal> dmesg should give you some info at the bottom
[01:13] <eXhum3d> ok its loaded
[01:13] <eXhum3d> what about now ?
[01:14] <Nermal> last dmesg output ?
[01:14] <CarlK> eXhum3d - aplay -l
[01:14] <eXhum3d> aplay -l shows nothing yet
[01:14] <Nermal> speakers on ?
[01:14] <Nermal> mixer levels ok ? :)
[01:14] <eXhum3d> AC'97 0 does not respond - RESET
[01:14] <eXhum3d> codec read timeout (final) at 0xb814, reg = 0x7c [0x0] 
[01:14] <eXhum3d> codec read timeout (final) at 0xb814, reg = 0x7e [0x0] 
[01:14] <eXhum3d> AC'97 0 access is not valid [0x0] , removing mixer.
[01:14] <eXhum3d> ENS1371: probe of 0000:00:0b.0 failed with error -5
[01:14] <eXhum3d> i guess this is not good
[01:14] <eXhum3d> (at dmesg)
[01:14] <elf> hey room
[01:15] <elf> what media player do you guys suggest?
[01:15] <robodex> lol it's awesome when I get "You have spyware" spam now :D
[01:15] <pdr> gxine
[01:15] <Amaranth> elf: Totem for most things, mplayer and gxine for the few things totem won't play
[01:15] <eXhum3d> CarlK, Nermal, any suggestions ?
[01:15] <elf> ok cool
[01:15] <Nermal> elf, for which media ?
[01:15] <elf> general
[01:16] <Nermal> eXhum3d, boot with pci=noacpi ?
[01:16] <elf> totem does not play everything as well as xmms
[01:16] <pdr> mplayer is also good (but evil too.. long story)
[01:16] <jcoiron> I would like to thanks Ubuntu community for the CDs I received... I was quite impressed by the quality of them (it's beeing distributed to friends and collegues, choosing carefully some personnes who _will_ give it a try :) )
[01:16] <Nermal> beep-media-player ?
[01:16] <Amaranth> elf: Oh, there really isn't any all-in-one player.
[01:16] <Nermal> jcoiron, aye.. nice aren't they :)
[01:16] <elf> well im using VLC and its ok but its got its bugs
[01:16] <Amaranth> Totem comes closest since it can have playlists but generally you have a music player and a video player.
[01:16] <Nermal> mplayer will play just about anything with w32codecs installed
[01:17] <zeedo> sirukin: :)
[01:17] <CarlK> bah.. mplayer plays like all you ever read
[01:17] <eXhum3d> Nermal, what do you mean with the pci=noacpi ? how can i do that ?
[01:17] <elf> where do i get mplayer?
[01:18] <CarlK> eXhum3d - that page is about all I have to offer - the only reason I know anything about sound is becasue last week i dug aruond enough to get it working on my box
[01:18] <Elsidox> elf, mplayer is fugly
[01:18] <elf> lol ok
[01:18] <elf> what then...
[01:18] <Trigx300> CarlK -how can i get a list of the hd..,.. with their names so i know how to config grub?
[01:18] <Elsidox> =)
[01:18] <Nermal> elf, totem should be installed
[01:18] <elf> it is
[01:19] <Elsidox> elf,  what are you trying to play?
[01:19] <elf> but it doesnt play everything
[01:19] <CarlK> Trigx300 - (hdD,P) D=drive, P=partition, both start at 0
[01:19] <Nermal> well... define everything
[01:19] <Nermal> it doesn't have a wax cylinder plugin no
[01:19] <elf> some of my cds that i copied onto pc in win
[01:19] <Nermal> oh god
[01:19] <Nermal> wma files ?
[01:19] <elf> lol
[01:19] <Lathiat> Anyone knwo why icons for my firewire disk, etc, wont appear in computer -- but if i double click the cdrom and it fails to mount then they appear (every time, latest hoary)
[01:19] <Elsidox> elf, are they .wma files?
[01:19] <elf> yeah i guess
[01:19] <Nermal> FOOL
[01:19] <Elsidox> lol
[01:19] <Nermal> for starters
[01:19] <Trigx300> thanks
[01:19] <elf> lol
[01:20] <Nermal> use mplayer and w32codecs
[01:20] <elf> VLC plays them
[01:20] <Nermal> hmm
[01:20] <elf> but vlc has bugs
[01:20] <Elsidox> so does mplayer
[01:20] <Nermal> and windows media player doesn't ? :)
[01:20] <elf> lol good point
[01:20] <Nermal> I think I'd rather listen to the sound of a player refusing to play a wma file than the file itself
[01:20] <elf> and gxine...hows that?
[01:21] <Nermal> umm... ok I guess
[01:21] <Nermal> more of a video player
[01:21] <elf> ok
[01:21] <Nermal> xmms / beep and rhythmbox are the most popular gnome ones
[01:21] <elf> where do i get w32 codecs
[01:21] <elf> ok
[01:21] <elf> hows beep?
[01:21] <Nermal> umm.. its in apt but has a v next to it :|
[01:21] <Vjaz> xmms and beep aren't gnome players
[01:21] <Nermal> Vjaz, I know
[01:21] <Nermal> beep is a gtk2 version of xmms
[01:22] <Nermal> basically :|
[01:22] <Vjaz> yeah
[01:22] <elf> ok
[01:22] <Nermal> so you get antialiased fonts and all that jazz
[01:22] <Vjaz> what do they even use gtk for? the settings window?
[01:22] <Nermal> pardon the pun
[01:22] <elf> which is better...kde or gnome?
[01:22] <Vjaz> the gui is basically a hack
[01:22] <Nermal> elf, both have their merits :)
[01:22] <Vjaz> elf: on what premises?
[01:22] <Nermal> kde is good for filling up disk space
[01:22] <elf> ok usability
[01:22] <Nermal> ah
[01:22] <Lathiat> Nermal: heh
[01:22] <Vjaz> elf: gnome
[01:22] <elf> i used kde on mandrake when i had it
[01:22] <Vjaz> my bad opinion
[01:23] <Nermal> gnome was lagging behind kde for a while but it's come a long way in the last couple of years
[01:23] <elf> yeah i guess kde did have a lot of graphics and shit
[01:23] <Nermal> I prefer gnome tbh
[01:23] <Nermal> but i know people who prefer kde..
[01:23] <Elsidox> can someone help me? I cant play mp3s or any other media anymore. I use to be able to but after i started up my comp today I cant anymore.
[01:23] <Nermal> or maybe, a person..
[01:24] <Vjaz> Elsidox: what happens when you try playing media?
[01:24] <ZorroBytes> Hi. I'm trying to setup a printer at work, but cups is complaining with this error: PCL-XL-Printer.ppd - No such file or directory!
[01:24] <elf> the thing is on kde i got all these cool proggies
[01:24] <Elsidox> Vjaz, i get a cant open media for writing error
[01:24] <ZorroBytes> Anyone have any idea what package I need to install to get this ppd?
[01:25] <elf> it took me foreva to find a cdburner on gnome and when i did it was a kde program
[01:25] <Elsidox> elf, gnomebakers pretty good =)
[01:25] <Vjaz> Elsidox: which app are you using?
[01:25] <Nermal> elf, aye.. it's well hidden.. you just have to put a blank cd in
[01:25] <Nermal> or goto burn:/// in nautilus
[01:26] <Elsidox> Vjaz,  munie, but I cant play in other players also.
[01:26] <Trigx300> CarlK - in the grub file it says that ubuntu is Hd0,1 but its hda2 how does that work?
[01:26] <Vjaz> Elsidox: ok, sounds odd... do you get any sound in the interface?
[01:27] <thenuke> Trigx300: Hd0,0 would be hda1 then?
[01:27] <Elsidox> Vjaz, yes. I hear the drumb noise and the startup sound
[01:27] <elf> lol...gnomebaker wasnt working and i was trying to make an audio cd and k3b is so much simpler to use...
[01:27] <elf> whats the differance between xine and gstreamer?
[01:27] <Vjaz> Elsidox: ok... I'm guessing it has to be a problem with gstreamer... you might want to reinstall it with apt-get install --reinstall gstreamer
[01:28] <Trigx300> oh, ok thanks
[01:28] <Vjaz> elf: well, they're different libraries... they mostly serve the same purpose
[01:28] <Elsidox> Vjaz, already tryed =) and still no luck
[01:28] <krism> anybody know a 'japanese language tutor' program for linux? romaji at first, but kanji would be nice too
[01:28] <Vjaz> elf: xine supports stuff like DVD's better I think
[01:28] <elf> because totem comes as gstreamer or xine which is better?
[01:28] <Vjaz> elf: gstreamer is fine for open stuff at least
[01:28] <elf> ok
[01:29] <Vjaz> elf: I think gstreamer got DVD support only recently... not sure if it works too well
[01:30] <elf> ok
[01:30] <Vjaz> Elsidox: wow... that's really odd
[01:30] <Vjaz> elf:  my impression is that most people use totem-xine
[01:31] <Elsidox> Vjaz, =( ya
[01:31] <Vjaz> elf: it supports more formats out of the box, so it's easier to setup
[01:31] <elf> ok
[01:31] <elf> so u recommend it?
[01:31] <Amaranth> No!
[01:31] <elf> why not?
[01:31] <Amaranth> elf: Just enable universe and install gstreamer-plugins.
[01:32] <Amaranth> After I did that I only had one thing that would play in xine and not in totem.
[01:32] <Vjaz> elf: not sure... I use gstreamer at the moment, but then again, I don't have it setup for playing any propietary stuff
[01:32] <elf> ok
[01:32] <Vjaz> Amaranth: will gstreamer-plugins enable support for stuff like WMV and QuickTime? Don't they need w32codecs or something?
[01:32] <Trigx300> does anyone know what the window browser is called (not firefox)
[01:33] <Vjaz> Trigx300: the window browser?
[01:33] <Amaranth> Vjaz: Those don't play well anywhere.
[01:34] <Trigx300> yeah like when i open home
[01:34] <Amaranth> older versions of WMV play without windows codecs but WMV3 needs it
[01:34] <Trigx300> i need to browse my files with root access
[01:34] <Amaranth> quicktime i've never gotten to play in gxine, gmplayer, or totem-gstreamer
[01:35] <Amaranth> wait, mplayer did kind of work
[01:35] <elf> where do i get the codecs
[01:35] <Vjaz> Amaranth: well xine kind of plays them
[01:35] <Vjaz> Amaranth: depends on the quicktime version I guess
[01:35] <Amaranth> elf: You have to download them off the mplayer website and manually set them up (copy them to the correct folder)
[01:35] <Trigx300> oh never mind i got it
[01:35] <elf> ok
[01:36] <Nermal> yay
[01:36] <Nermal> f-spot 0.0.9 is alread in apt :D
[01:36] <Vjaz> Hoary?
[01:36] <Nermal> Trigx300, nautilus
[01:36] <Nermal> Vjaz, yeah
[01:37] <Trigx300> yeah i got it thanks
[01:37] <Vjaz> Universe or something? That's nice.
[01:37] <Nermal> Section: universe/gnome
[01:37] <ZorroBytes> Solved it. Have to log a bug.
[01:37] <Vjaz> Ok.
[01:37] <Trigx300> if im not back soon its kuz i mesed up my boot loader
[01:38] <Nermal> enjoy :)
[01:38] <Trigx300> :)
[01:38] <sleeper> i want see photos whitout open all what program can i use?
[01:38] <Nermal> nautilus ?
[01:38] <Vjaz> Nermal: Does it work well already? I understand it's still alpha state software.
[01:38] <membreya_> it gives thumbnails :)
[01:38] <Nermal> i last tried it on 0.0.6
[01:38] <lunitik> sleeper: nautilus uses eog... or you can use gthumb
[01:39] <Nermal> and it seemed ok, a little rough though (to be expected)
[01:39] <lunitik> (eye of gnome)
[01:39] <Nermal> beagle is quite neat :)
[01:39] <sleeper> thx
[01:39] <lunitik> Nermal: f-spot's devel even says "don't use this, its not stable"...
[01:39] <Nermal> I just want to try it out
[01:40] <Nermal> see what it's like
[01:40] <Nermal> the 0.0.6 thing is warning enough
[01:40] <Vjaz> Nermal: It will *destroy* all your files!
[01:40] <Nermal> lunitik, because respected people like miguel are all climaxing over it
[01:40] <lunitik> Nermal: so you have to also?
[01:40] <Nermal> and it's got novell pushing it
[01:40] <Amaranth> lunitik: Explain why it's crap.
[01:40] <Vjaz> Nermal: And it will sell you as a slave to a Bulgarian business man!
[01:40] <Nermal> lunitik, I'm not installing it because it's a mono app
[01:40] <lunitik> Nermal: so use NLD?
[01:40] <Amaranth> lunitik: Have you ever used it?
[01:41] <Nermal> personally I don't like mono that much
[01:41] <lunitik> Amaranth: it sucks up memory...
[01:41] <Nermal> lunitik, line of thought please ?
[01:41] <Amaranth> lunitik: Not as much as you'd think. Not to mention that 1.1.x is even better about it.
[01:41] <Nermal> I would be using NLD if I still worked for them :P
[01:41] <lunitik> Amaranth: neither are good though.
[01:42] <topyli> Elsidox: hey, gnomebaker does loog pretty good! thanks, i'd never heard of it :)
[01:42] <membreya_> damn you people and your acronyms
[01:42] <lunitik> Nermal: they let you download and use it for free  :/
[01:42] <Amaranth> lunitik: Why do you use GNOME then?
[01:42] <membreya_> and last time I heard...mono was a VD :P
[01:42] <Amaranth> lunitik: Why do you use X at all?
[01:42] <lunitik> Amaranth: because the C apps are fast
[01:42] <Amaranth> lunitik: They suck up a lot of memory.
[01:42] <flosch> hi
[01:42] <Nermal> Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Gnome.Vfs.Vfs
[01:42] <Nermal> wheeeee
[01:42] <Nermal> :D
[01:42] <lunitik> Amaranth: about a 20th of what Mono uses for the same function
[01:42] <membreya_> hi flosch :)
[01:43] <flosch> :)
[01:43] <lunitik> Amaranth: and thats going by stats *mono* people posted.
[01:43] <Amaranth> Mono adds maybe 5-10MB of memory usage. More then worth it for me as a programmer. The thought of writing a program once and having it work on OS X, Linux, and Windows makes it worth it.
[01:44] <Nermal> Amaranth, whats wrong with java ? :)
[01:44] <sleeper> what anti-spyware and virus scan can i use?
[01:44] <Nermal> sleeper, none
[01:44] <Nermal> you don't need it
[01:44] <lunitik> Amaranth: it won't though... you have to port at least a small part.
[01:44] <Vjaz> lunitik: You can't say that Gnome uses a 20th of what Mono uses for the same function because they're totally different things.
[01:44] <Tomcat_> Nermal: Java needs like... 100 MB when you start it with Hello World :D
[01:44] <membreya_> about the furthest I ever got with programming was to write a java applet that said Hi World :D
[01:44] <Nermal> :D
[01:44] <Amaranth> lunitik: No you don't. As long as you don't use P/Invoke you're fine.
[01:44] <sleeper> yes i need
[01:44] <Nermal> java is pretty evil :|
[01:44] <Nermal> sleeper, you don't
[01:44] <Tomcat_> I'm a Java fan though :o
[01:44] <lunitik> Vjaz: sure... but I can say C uses about a 20th of what C# does.
[01:45] <membreya_> sleeper: AFAIK there's no viruses or spyware for linux ;)
[01:45] <Nermal> there are a couple of viruses I think
[01:45] <Amaranth> Nermal: Java isn't Free and is slower.
[01:45] <Nermal> only a couple though
[01:45] <Nermal> Amaranth, blackdown ?
[01:45] <Vjaz> lunitik: well you can say that... but if you run 20 programs, the gap becomes a lot smaller
[01:45] <sleeper> mi computer sid me: your computer infected by w32.hllp.spreda.b.spy v2.016
[01:45] <Amaranth> Nermal: Not Free. That's just a packaged version of the official Sun Java.
[01:45] <Nermal> ah
[01:46] <Nermal> sleeper, w32 = windows 32
[01:46] <Nermal> not linux
[01:46] <membreya_> exactly :)
[01:46] <sleeper> password-stealin virus
[01:46] <membreya_> beat me to it Nermal ! >:(
[01:46] <Nermal> sleeper, stand up, your voice is muffled :)
[01:46] <Elsidox> topyli, gnomefiles.com has achive of LOTS of great gnome apps.
[01:46] <Amaranth> afaik the only real virus for linux that wasn't a proof of concept was a java exploit
[01:47] <Elsidox> topyli, woops gnomefiles.org
[01:47] <topyli> Elsidox: yeah, i've stumbled on gnomefiles once or twice
[01:47] <membreya_> I love proof of concepts
[01:47] <membreya_> it's how the first s60 viruses was displayed :)
[01:47] <Elsidox> topyli, great site =)
[01:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: Well, GTK is made by the same folks.
[01:47] <Elsidox> i still cant play mp3s or anything eles. I use to be able to.
[01:47] <Nermal> Elsidox, riaa been round ?
[01:48] <topyli> Elsidox: i gave up on finding a proper cd burner some time ago though, and just compiled xcdroast against gtk2 :)
[01:48] <Nermal> :)
[01:48] <lunitik> Amaranth: its really not though... it was made by the GIMP folks...
[01:48] <Elsidox> Nermal, i doubt lol
[01:48] <Amaranth> brb
[01:48] <lunitik> Amaranth: hence 'GIMP ToolKit
[01:48] <Elsidox> topyli, i think xcdroast is fugly =)
[01:48] <Elsidox> well i must be on my way
[01:48] <Elsidox> cya everyone
[01:48] <topyli> Elsidox: it's ok, it just has LOTS of buttons
[01:48] <topyli> oh
[01:49] <elf> does anyone know how to install limewire?
[01:49] <thenuke> elf: with apt?
[01:49] <lunitik> elf: 'apt-get install limewire'?
[01:49] <membreya_> sleeper: list of viruses :)
[01:49] <membreya_> http://www.viruslibrary.com/virusinfo/Linux.htm
[01:50] <elf> well i have the .bin file
[01:50] <lunitik> Ah... actually... Limewire apparently isn't in Ubuntu  :(
[01:50] <elf> it keeps on asking for a virtual machine...
[01:50] <topyli> elf: that's their own installer. run it
[01:50] <lunitik> elf: ok... go to java.sun.com and install it?
[01:51] <elf> ive been struggling with installing java for ages
[01:51] <membreya_> or www.blackdown.org/net/com ...can't remember :)
[01:51] <Vjaz> Is it possible to burn a CD image with Nautilus?
[01:51] <membreya_> I found it easier to use blackdown
[01:51] <Nermal> elf, one sec
[01:51] <elf> i got it to run in mozilla but i dont know how to get the vm
[01:51] <Nermal> elf, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[01:51] <lunitik> membreya_: blackdown tends to be outdated  :/
[01:51] <elf> thnks
[01:51] <topyli> elf: get java-package from debian and build a debian package from your bin file
[01:52] <elf> how do u build a deb from bin
[01:52] <lunitik> topyli: that adds complexity imo
[01:53] <Nermal> topyli, or just follow the 7 commands or so in the howto :)
[01:53] <membreya_> lunitik: is that a huuuge problem? :)
[01:53] <topyli> lunitik: perhaps it does. but the system is neater if you roll packages from everything instead of just installing imo
[01:54] <lunitik> elf: 'chmod +x jre[tab] ' from java dir... hit q and type 'yes'... mv jre1[tab]  /usr ... ln -s /usr/jre[tab] /plugins/i386/[tab] /[tab]  /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[01:54] <lunitik> elf: exactly how you do it  8)
[01:54] <elf> ok...
[01:55] <lunitik> elf: bah... forgot './jre[tab] ' after chmod command
[01:55] <Vjaz> Ooohh.... burning a CD image is actually quite easy with Nautilus.
[01:55] <topyli> perhaps ln -s /usr/jre.../bin/java /usr/bin
[01:55] <Vjaz> Intuitive, I might say.
[01:55] <elf> ive done that
[01:55] <evarlast> overly intuitive even :)
[01:55] <elf> ive set up my firefox java
[01:55] <lunitik> topyli: hmm... that might be useful for him... heh
[01:56] <topyli> evarlast: yeah, all we need is ability to make audio cds
[01:56] <topyli> with it
[01:56] <elf> java works perfectly in firefox.....
[01:56] <evarlast> topyli: yes, and I'd like the ability to edit the audio wavform right in the recording app ;)
[01:56] <Nermal> elf, so read the howto I sent you
[01:56] <lunitik> elf: after what I just said?
[01:56] <lunitik> yes
[01:56] <elf> ok
[01:56] <lunitik> elf: not do what topyli said
[01:57] <Nermal> peter@ubuntu:~$ java -version
[01:57] <Nermal> java version "1.5.0_01"
[01:57] <lunitik> linking the java binary file to /usr/bin
[01:57] <Nermal> ^ worked for me :)
[01:58] <Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire perhaps for the full thing
[01:58] <Nermal> or just emerge gtk-gnutella :)
[01:58] <Nermal> oops
[01:58] <Nermal> apt-get install gtk-gnutella :)
[01:58] <johnnybezak_> lol
[01:58] <Nermal> *cough* *hide*
[01:58] <elf> i have javasablevm installed....whats that?
[01:58] <membreya_> Nermal: yup...symlinking it worked for me too :)
[01:58] <dud> wild guess.... gentoo-fugitive?
[01:59] <membreya_> rather than bothering with exporting path
[01:59] <^S^> hi
[01:59] <Nermal> they found me!
[01:59] <^S^> can any1 give me a quick tip on how to fix some translations strings for portuguese? quick fix
[01:59] <membreya_> mmmm sweet sweet nicotine *drools*
[02:01] <membreya> not me !
[02:01] <membreya> :P
[02:01] <membreya> I love my cigarettes...I figured it was either kill someone or kill myself..with nicotine I can kill a lot of people AND reduce my life sentence
[02:02] <lunitik> membreya: most just smoke cuz its easier than quiting... at least you thought it out  :P
[02:03] <membreya> hrm....gnome is automatically loading an old version of gaim ...how do I find out where the old version is so I can kill it
[02:03] <lunitik> membreya: dpkg -l gaim
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> hiya all
[02:03] <CarlK> ^S^ pm me
[02:03] <topyli> lunitik: quitting is easy. i've quit ten times at least ;)
[02:04] <lunitik> topyli: you didn't quit if you started again... you just took a break
[02:04] <membreya> lunitic..does that remove the old version? :|
[02:04] <membreya> lol topyli :P
[02:04] <lunitik> membreya: that lists instances of gaim  :/
[02:04] <membreya> I'll quit when I quit my job
[02:04] <topyli> lunitik: no, i seriously quit. how was i to know i would start again in a week or two? :)
[02:05] <wezzer> is there any other good burning softwares than k3b?
[02:05] <wezzer> (it broke my gnome last time)
[02:05] <membreya> lunitik: it lists only the one instance...yet when I load gnome it loads the old version :|
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> wezzer: gnomebaker, graveman
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> eroaster
[02:05] <lunitik> topyli: gah... I 'quit' for 2 months before... 4 months... couple of single months... I still smoke though, so I didn't really quit
[02:05] <wezzer> gnomebaker sounds cool 8)
[02:05] <wezzer> I'll google it
[02:06] <lunitik> membreya: dpkg -L gaim | grep bin
[02:06] <membreya> da_bon_bon: graveman doesn't have a 64bit port :(
[02:06] <topyli> wezzer: my newfound favorite is gnomebaker. there's even ubuntu packages. although so far i've only tried it one time but it did work :)
[02:06] <wezzer> it looks nice
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> membreya: gnomebaker... eroaster ?
[02:06] <wezzer> I'll try it out right away
[02:06] <membreya> gah...it only lists the one version..this is just annoying.. i might totally remove it
[02:06] <wezzer> thanks for the tip da_bon_bon :)
[02:07] <CarlK> gnomebaker - how does that compare to Krecipes ?
[02:07] <lunitik> CarlK: umm... not at all?
[02:07] <LinuxJones> CarlK, gnomebaker is very promising :)
[02:07] <topyli> da_bon_bon: eroaster seems unmaintained and broken (at least on debian)
[02:07] <topyli> i used to love it
[02:08] <lunitik> CarlK: Krecipes = cook book thingy... GnomeBaker = CD Burning util
[02:08] <membreya> lunitik: I just marked it for complete removal in synaptic..so now I only have the version I've compiled
[02:08] <membreya> :)
[02:08] <wezzer> umm, can I burn audio cd's with gnomebaker?
[02:08] <wezzer> it says it can copy them
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> topyli: gnomebaker works /great/ for me.
[02:09] <elf> yay Limewire is working!!!!!
[02:09] <topyli> da_bon_bon: seems to work here too
[02:09] <elf> cheers every1 thanks for the help
[02:09] <membreya> yay elf :)
[02:09] <elf> lol
[02:09] <membreya> bbiab....gotta watch tv with the girlfriend *rolls his eyes*
[02:09] <topyli> wezzer: seems to me there's an audio cd tab
[02:10] <LinuxJones> membreya, Days of Our Lives is not so bad :D
[02:10] <wezzer> topyli: ok
[02:10] <wezzer> great
[02:10] <membreya> LinuxJones: ...jerry springer then the pretender actually :(
[02:10] <wezzer> gnomebaker sounds very promising then
[02:10] <LinuxJones> membreya, heh I feel your pain :)
[02:11] <lunitik> wezzer: anything is better than "but where's k3b'  :/
[02:11] <topyli> wezzer: it has a file browser like k3b but drag&drop from nautilus seems to work too (unlike k3b of course)
[02:12] <wezzer> yey
[02:12] <wezzer> just compiled it
[02:12] <wezzer> looks nice
[02:12] <da_bon_bon> wezzer: what ?
[02:12] <lunitik> topyli: you said gnomebaker was in ubuntu? I don't see it
[02:12] <wezzer> thanks for the tip :)
[02:12] <topyli> lunitik: it's not in ubuntu but there are packages floating at the ubuntu wiki
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> compiled what ?
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: not in repos. of hoary. in warty, yes
[02:13] <wezzer> how about dvd-r9 - does gnomebaker support it?
[02:13] <wezzer> I mean dual-layer dvd's
[02:13] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: why would they drop it between warty and hoary if its decent?
[02:14] <evarlast> topyli: last time I tried, D&D from nautilus did work to k3b
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: actually, it isnt in the warty repos too. - download it from the web page
[02:14] <chase> i have a very newbee question :-( ive just installed ubuntu on my machine.
[02:14] <chase> Whats the default root password? so i can go in and change it
[02:14] <topyli> evarlast: really? smart
[02:14] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: I don't need a GUI burner that bad  ;)
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> chase: sudo passwd sets it
[02:15] <Coily> chase you picked a password at install
[02:15] <lunitik> chase: there isn't one... read 'wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo'
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> though no need to set it at all, chase
[02:15] <Coily> but if he doesnt know the password it wont help
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> Coily: not a root password
[02:15] <chase> da_bon_bon, how come? you dont need one?
[02:16] <lunitik> chase: read what I just pointed you to
[02:16] <chase> ok
[02:16] <lunitik> Coily: you too
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> chase: no... /etc/sudoers is configured to ask for ur passwd instead of roots for progs. the require it
[02:16] <mz2> hmm, what to do if dist-upgrade makes ubuntu unbootable
[02:16] <mz2> not happened to me, but to a friend of mine
[02:17] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: thats terrible wording...
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: why ?
[02:17] <mz2> he gets some sort of input/output error in the middle of dist-upgrade and it won't boot after that... is there some sort of recovery functionality with the installation cd?
[02:17] <wezzer> one question, do I have to run gnomebaker as a root?
[02:17] <evarlast> ubuntu is like OSX as far as root password goes.  If you have used OSX, you will be right at home.
[02:17] <wezzer> or can I burn cd's as a normal user?
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> wezzer: no. normal user is ok
[02:18] <wezzer> ok
[02:18] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: I'm not sure its even correct... /etc/sudoers just contains users who can use sudo... the result is as you describe, but you don't seem to understand it...
[02:18] <dtygel> hi all...
[02:19] <evarlast> lunitik: well, you can set sudoers so that it doesn't require a password at all.
[02:19] <dtygel> I'm trying to enter SWAT as root. Which username and password should I use? If I enter as user, I cannot get into configuring samba. How can I enter it as root?
[02:19] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: also defines what rights the user has when using sudo... but yeah... it doesn't say anything about password.... just to use sudo, you must enter your password
[02:19] <evarlast> lunitik: I don't think you can set sudoers so that it asks for root, or another users password.  That is was old su is for ;)
[02:20] <wezzer> one thing about gnome baker; if I want to select more than one files and drag them to be burned, it selects only one
[02:20] <wezzer> but it's 0.3, I know
[02:20] <wezzer> anyone, I love it!
[02:20] <wezzer> finally I have nice burning software
[02:21] <lunitik> wezzer: anyway*  ;)
[02:21] <^S^> is there any editable file where I could fix the top panel menu (Applications, computer, ...) ?
[02:21] <lunitik> Don't you love it when your fingers move faster than your brain  ;)
[02:21] <Coily> can someone recommend me a cpu temperature moniter or a repository with emifreq and all of its dependencies
[02:21] <^S^> fix... translation, I must add
[02:21] <wezzer> lunitik: yea, typo :P
[02:21] <wezzer> I didn't notice it until now :D
[02:22] <Coily> anyone?
[02:22] <krism>  /quit
[02:23] <dtygel> forget my problem: I've solved it with sudo passwd root...
[02:23] <Coily> /quit
[02:23] <Coily> ??
[02:23] <krism> er sorry
[02:23] <krism_> there we go
[02:23] <krism_> now i can annoy people with hiragana chacters. 
[02:24] <Ycros> krism_: joy
[02:24] <thenuke> krism_: hey I could also annoy you with some special characters ;D 
[02:24] <evarlast> i prefer just typing the furigana.
[02:24] <Coily> ??????????
[02:24] <evarlast> watachi wa nan des ka?
[02:25] <krism_> im just learning about it, so i know dick :)
[02:25] <krism_> evarlast : you are ..?
[02:25] <krism_> evarlast : (what is nan des)
[02:25] <lunitik> krism_: commas are useful
[02:26] <krism_> err, i meant "i know very little," no calling someone a dick :)
[02:26] <evarlast> what is your name.  IIRC.  It has been years for me.  I've forgotten it all.
[02:26] <sles> konichiwa?
[02:26] <attila[ReDegliUn> Hi! How do I set a viewonly passoword for VNC? vncpasswd only asks me for one password...
[02:27] <sles> nani de monayou
[02:27] <krism_> evarlast well then, 'watashi wa krism_ desu'
[02:27] <sles> macono donaldu wa coku des ka?
[02:27] <krism_> sles: konichiwa?
[02:28] <CarlK> attila[ReDegliUn - I dont think there is such a thing
[02:28] <CarlK> lunitik - yer nuts ;)
[02:28] <krism_> lunitik : pfft, let's switch to esperanto!
[02:28] <sles> krism_: good day...
[02:28] <CarlK> now you're talking
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[02:29] <sles> macono donaldu wa coku des ka? = where is mc donalds...
[02:29] <CarlK> i hear Romainian is a pretty good language
[02:29] <Coily> does anyone know how to force kill a connection?
[02:29] <lunitik> sles: see, thats retarded... when you need more charactors to say the same thing... you lose
[02:29] <sles> CarlK: but you might grow teeth...?
[02:29] <CarlK> they don't teach spelling because everything is spelled phonetically
[02:29] <evarlast> beru o nomimasu
[02:30] <lunitik> Coily: well.... ifdown would work  8)
[02:30] <CarlK> there is one way to spell every sound, so just write what you hear
[02:30] <Coily> :O
[02:30] <lunitik> Coily: 'sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0' ... or just '/etc/init.d/network restart', but maybe these are not really what you want?
[02:31] <sles> lunitik: that is right! lell the japanese; they think orange jusu is a japanese term stolen by english
[02:31] <CarlK> not this silly I E C except for some other words that make you not want to bother
[02:31] <Coily> well id like to kill connections individually
[02:31] <CarlK> but back to ubuntu things...
[02:31] <evarlast> Coily: you can't kill a connection, you can kill a process that holds a connection.
[02:31] <evarlast> Coily: you can use iptables to firewall a connection.
[02:31] <Coily> how do i find out what process a connection is using
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Coily: ifdown eth0  ifdown eth1
[02:32] <evarlast> Coily: lsof
[02:32] <sles> lunitik: Thai would be good for you... much fewer words...
[02:32] <lunitik> sles: English is just fine, thanks
[02:32] <sles> lunitik: instead of "i am hungry" you just say "hingry" in the right tone
[02:32] <lunitik> sles: I have a rule... if the words look more like pictures... its not the language for me  :)
[02:33] <[Spooky] > Good morning ladies :)
[02:33] <lunitik> [Spooky] : yeah... there are no ladies here... cock salad  ;)
[02:33] <sles> lunitik: bit i like ancient Egyptian.... to write with birds and snakes .... ;=)
[02:34] <Coily> lsof is a bit verbose...
[02:34] <lunitik> Coily: basically... no one knows how to kill individual connections/don't want to teach you iptables
[02:35] <andy> gday..am trying to enable nvidia driver and when i try and run "glxgears" amd getting this..XLib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".  Error: couldn't get a RGB, double bufferd visual
[02:35] <lunitik> andy: you read 'http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDrivers'?
[02:35] <andy> is there a problem with the K7 kernel and the nvidia driver?
[02:36] <andy> nope but i will now
[02:36] <lunitik> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDrivers
[02:36] <evarlast> Coily: see the man page, you can narrow results down with lsof.
[02:36] <[Spooky] > lunitik: hehe
[02:37] <lunitik> andy: actually... its http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:37] <lunitik> andy: sorry
[02:37] <evarlast> Coily: for example:  lsof -i tcp #to get just tcp connections
[02:37] <Coily> was gonna try that
[02:37] <andy> lunitik: np
[02:42] <Jerub> okay, finally got warty installed :)
[02:42] <Jerub> I didn't realise you couldn't use LVM for /
[02:44] <mg> Jerub: great, now you should upgrade to hoary. much shinier :).
[02:44] <Coily> firestarter is listing a connection to aol (after i closed gaim) that lsof isnt. is the connection really dead and it's just close_wait?
[02:44] <mg> Jerub: LVM does work for / but it's really difficult to recover if anything goes wrong. at least, that's my understanding of it.
[02:44] <Jerub> mg: can't until the end of the month. download quota.
[02:44] <mg> Jerub: :(
[02:45] <Jerub> mg: the installer said not to use LVM for / or /boot becuase the machine wouldn't boot
[02:45] <mg> Jerub: it lies - i tried it one
[02:45] <mg> hmm, it may have been with debian actually. probably no real difference though.
[02:45] <mg> s/one/once
[02:45] <Coily> this aol connection keeps renewing itself and i want to kill it
[02:45] <Jerub> mg: drat.
[02:46] <Jerub> mg: I now have a / that's 3gig and /usr thats 17G
[02:46] <dwa_> does anyone here know anything about that website design contest?
[02:46] <Jerub> I hope it'll be okay
[02:46] <dwa_> it's linked on the ubuntu frontpage but after reading it it says it's already over
[02:46] <sleeper> i need a program similar to microshoft project what can i use?
[02:46] <Jerub> wtf?
[02:46] <evarlast> mrproject, but it has a new name.
[02:46] <mg> Jerub: it's probably safer that way. i don't use lvm anymore anyway but at the time i had a whole series of smallish partitions scattered acrosss physical disks.
[02:47] <Jerub> this window manager is whacked. it doesn't respond to completely normal things like alt-rigtclick
[02:47] <sleeper> jerub?
[02:47] <sleeper> i will try thx
[02:47] <Jerub> mg: I have 2 10 gig drives.
[02:47] <evarlast> sleeper: try "planner" it should be in synaptic
[02:47] <mg> Jerub: yeah, that's what i'd called smallish. mp3s take up a lot of room :)
[02:47] <sleeper> not found jerub
[02:49] <Jerub> :(
[02:49] <Jerub> centericq isn't in hoary
[02:49] <Nermal> :O
[02:50] <sleeper> i am downloading mrproject
[02:50] <sleeper> thx very much
[02:50] <Nermal> Section: universe/net
[02:50] <Jerub> *phew*
[02:50] <Nermal> sleeper, why not just apt-get install mrproject ?
[02:50] <sleeper> i am doing it ;)
[02:50] <Nermal> MrProject is now replaced with planner.
[02:50] <Nermal> apparently
[02:51] <Nermal> so you want to install planner, not mrproject
[02:51] <PacoBCN> Hi people. Any of you correctly installed flumotion?
[02:51] <sleeper> thx it works
[02:51] <robertj^> Nermal: MrProject has been renamed to Planner AFAIK
[02:53] <Nermal> robertj^, good grief
[02:53] <Nermal> what have I just been telling sleeper ?
[02:56] <robertj^> Nermal: ?
[02:56] <cisei> I want to remove the brown background that is behind the GNOME
[02:56] <cisei> splash image that you get while the GNOME desktop is loading
[02:56] <robertj^> You said replaced, but renaming is a bit more specific
[02:57] <cisei> I know how to change the splash image, but I am clueless about the brown background.
[02:57] <gustav_> cisei: Computer:System Configuration:Login Screen Setup
[02:58] <gustav_> cisei: and then standard greeter
[02:58] <ian2> meep.  Heya folks, I'm (attempting) to install ubuntu over my debian system.  I pop in the cd, get to partitioning...  Now I have a dual boot on this box, and I'd also like to keep my home dir alive.  so I do so, set only my old root partition to format, and the format fails.  the proper device entries dont exist.  So I go ahead and mknod away, but now it just says no such device or address..
[02:58] <Nermal> robertj^, ah
[02:58] <ian2> any suggestions?
[02:59] <robertj^> ian: don't
[02:59] <cisei> gustav: funny it has no background checked originally
[02:59] <robertj^> change your sources.list and dist-upgrade if you are on broadband
[02:59] <ian2> robertj^: dont what?
[02:59] <cisei> gustav: I understand how to change it though now.  Thanks!
[02:59] <ian2> (oh and did my thing get cut off?)
[03:00] <robertj^> but you might run into the same problem still
[03:00] <robertj^> anything special about the root volume?
[03:01] <Jerub> ian2: you'll find its because it uses devfs
[03:01] <Jerub> ian2: you want to look in places like /dev/ide/
[03:02] <ian2> I know.
[03:02] <robertj^> Jerub: but why would the installer be using the wrong name?
[03:02] <ian2> I created the devices there.
[03:02] <robertj^> why are you creating devices though?
[03:02] <ian2> because theyre not there.
[03:02] <ian2> its got disc, and part1.
[03:02] <ian2> thats it.
[03:02] <ian2> so I created the devices in the hope that it would work then...
[03:03] <ian2> and nopey.
[03:03] <robertj^> ok, btw question for down the road, are /home and / on the same vol?
[03:04] <ian2> theyre not, no.
[03:04] <robertj^> standard ide stuff?
[03:05] <ian2> uh huh.
[03:05] <ian2> look, is there some alternate installation method/media I can do?
[03:05] <robertj^> dmesg show anything about devfs?
[03:05] <robertj^> ian2: lots but my concern would be that kernel that doesn't work now won't work when you go to boot
[03:05] <robertj^> like I said, you could just dist-upgrade and then install desktop-base
[03:06] <ozan> i've p4 3.2e processor but ubuntu doesn't accept it as 2 cpus. how can i open hyper-trading in linux?
[03:06] <ian2> uh huh, but that debian system aint a debian system anymore.
[03:06] <sjoerd> ozan: install a -smp kernel
[03:06] <robertj^> ian2: oh, is it in between?
[03:06] <ian2> nah, its a gentoo.  I wanted to play some games =] 
[03:06] <ozan> how am i goint to do that?
[03:07] <ian2> but I dont like compilin everything all the time, thats why I moved these other boxes to debian
[03:07] <ian2> and sticking with debian, even sid, still using xfree..
[03:07] <Tomcat_> ozan: Open the package manager, find the linux-image package that is installed on your machine, find the matching -smp package, then install that.
[03:07] <robertj^> ian2: so I assume at least some stuff shows up in /dev right?
[03:07] <ozan> ok. thanks
[03:07] <ian2> ok, something interesting from dmseg, dunno if it applys though:
[03:08] <ian2> robertj^: ja.
[03:08] <ian2> actually, no it doesnt =] 
[03:08] <ian2> sorry, thats pcmcia crap
[03:08] <robertj^> is there a /dev period?
[03:08] <ian2>  /dev has stuff in it, though, yah.
[03:08] <robertj^> is there a /dev/ide
[03:08] <ian2> yup
[03:08] <ian2> theres a host0, and a bus0 and bus1
[03:09] <ian2> bus1 is cd drive, bus0 is disk... under bus0 theres disc, and part1
[03:09] <ian2> I've added part2-7, but they dont work.
[03:13] <faux> Is QEMU in universe compiled with support for the closed source accelerated driver?
[03:13] <eder> Hi, What can i uninstall mysql? Have I some script to do it??
[03:14] <apokryphos> eder: You want to uninstall it? How did you install it?
[03:14] <eder> with .bin
[03:14] <robertj^> ian2: how many partitions are on the disk/
[03:14] <ian2> robertj^: hda1, my windows install, hda2, old rootfs, hda3, home fs, hda4, swap
[03:15] <robertj^> hrmm
[03:15] <robertj^> anything telling in dmes?
[03:15] <ian2> nope.
[03:15] <eder> apokryphos How Can I uninstall?? mysql
[03:15] <apokryphos> eder: I'm not quite sure, not with a .bin. Perhaps check the readme?
[03:16] <pugio> eder: I take it you installed it NOT through apt-get?
[03:16] <eder> i uninstall with .bin
[03:16] <eder> and i dont remenber the root pass
[03:16] <apokryphos> eder: Do you mean you *installed* with .bin?
[03:17] <pugio> .bin? you mean a binary or is .bin a format I'm not aware of?
[03:17] <apokryphos> pugio: Pretty sure it would be a binary
[03:17] <eder> yes, I have a .bin and I did ./install
[03:17] <eder> .bin
[03:17] <pugio> ah ok
[03:17] <pugio> you installed it a while ago right?
[03:17] <pugio> actually
[03:17] <pugio> here's one solution
[03:17] <eder> ago
[03:17] <pugio> kind of annoying
[03:17] <eder> 20 days ago
[03:18] <pugio> but I've done it before
[03:18] <pugio> if you don't have the .bin anymore, redownload the install files
[03:18] <pugio> then do ./install again (or sudo ./install whatever you did)
[03:18] <eder> ok but
[03:18] <pugio> that will either A. overwrite the previous install
[03:18] <eder> the configuration files?
[03:18] <Trigx300> Im back
[03:19] <pugio> eder: mysql has /etc/my.conf
[03:19] <pugio> I think that's what it's called
[03:19] <eder> ok
[03:19] <pugio> it may overwrite it, but if it doesn't just delete it
[03:19] <eder> thanks
[03:19] <pugio> or use the same one again
[03:19] <pugio> also, if you want to try completely removing it
[03:19] <pugio> just see where ./instal puts everything and then delete all those files
[03:19] <eder> i want remove all
[03:19] <will> how do i edit hd spin down times etc?
[03:19] <pugio> eder: fine, so watch where it all goes, and delete the files
[03:20] <eder> ok thansk purgio
[03:20] <zzyber> i have a pcmcia wireless card named netgear MV521 is that compatible with Ubuntu?
[03:20] <pugio> :) I've had to do that enough times, let me tell ya
[03:20] <Nermal> zzyber, what chipset ?
[03:20] <eder> ok pugio thanks again
[03:20] <eder> bye
[03:20] <pugio> adiyos
[03:20] <eder> adios
[03:20] <zzyber> Nermal, i dont know, how can i check?
[03:21] <eder> pugio one thing, do you programing with java?
[03:22] <pugio> eder: well, that depends on exactly what you want to know :)
[03:22] <eder> ja,ja,ja
[03:22] <eder> i want conect my program to mysql BD
[03:22] <pugio> eder: ask and we shall see :) in other words, what is the import of your question?
[03:22] <eder> DB
[03:23] <zzyber> Nermal, sorry, it was a MA521
[03:23] <Trigx300> does anyone know how i can mount a win hda1 part (not in read only mode)
[03:23] <pugio> eder: http://www.javacoding.net/articles/technical/java-mysql.html
[03:23] <pugio> that should do it
[03:23] <eder> ok thans again
[03:23] <eder> muchas gracias
[03:23] <pugio> :)
[03:23] <eder> thanks
[03:23] <eder> and bye
[03:23] <pugio> eder: np
[03:23] <pugio> cya
[03:24] <eder> ciao
[03:24] <zzyber> Nermal, seems like it has the RTL8180L chipset
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Trigx300: if it's ntfs, don't
[03:24] <nayfnu> Trigx: If it's fat, you can use mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[03:25] <Trigx300> i think its fat32 kuz i was planning on installing linux when i formated
[03:25] <Coily> whats a quick way to reset all connections
[03:25] <nayfnu> You should be OK with that then
[03:25] <pugio> Coily: what kind of connections?
[03:25] <Trigx300> ok thanks
[03:25] <Coily> tcp
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Coily: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   I guess
[03:26] <snowblink> zzyber: I got mine to work with ndiswrapper
[03:26] <pugio> Coily: pull out your ethernet plug :)
[03:26] <Coily> :O
[03:26] <nayfnu> Heh
[03:26] <pugio> Coily: that usually does it for me
[03:26] <nayfnu> I normally cut the wire with shears
[03:26] <nayfnu> Why take chances?
[03:26] <Coily> let's see how fast that works
[03:26] <NetwrkMonkey> weee
[03:27] <topyli> eeew
[03:29] <Torakiky> hi can someone help me?
[03:30] <nayfnu> Tora: What's the problem?
[03:30] <Torakiky> I'm in trouble with xmame
[03:30] <Nermal> whats the problem ? (RAGE)
[03:30] <membreya> tv viewing is over :D
[03:30] <Coily> not impressed
[03:31] <Torakiky> when I hit exit to exit the game the session automatically restart
[03:31] <Coily> gah i still cant kill this gaim connection (if you can call it that, gaim is closed)
[03:31] <Coily> it keeps renewing itself!
[03:31] <topyli> Coily: gaim is immortal
[03:31] <Coily> noooo
[03:32] <ian2> bwuhahaha
[03:32] <topyli> it is alive
[03:32] <Nermal> hmu
[03:32] <Coily> aol came back to haunt me =[
[03:32] <Nermal> Coily, is it in the notification area ?
[03:32] <nayfnu> It will gradually grow, consuming first your system resources, then your head
[03:32] <nayfnu> One of those things
[03:32] <nayfnu> You might want to take to wearing some kind of hat
[03:32] <ian2> kill -9 "-1"
[03:33] <topyli> tin foil is the classic
[03:33] <nayfnu> Nice
[03:33] <ian2> topyli: bah!
[03:33] <ian2> aluminum!
[03:33] <Coily> Nermal of which app?
[03:33] <nayfnu> Although the modern paranoid prefers titanium, you know
[03:33] <topyli> ian2: with gaim that might not be overkill
[03:33] <Nermal> Coily, gaim
[03:33] <nayfnu> Or lead!
[03:34] <Coily> Nermal i meant what app would show gaim in the 'notification area'?
[03:35] <Nermal> the gnome panel
[03:35] <topyli> Coily: gaim has a plugin to do that. i take it you're not using it :)
[03:35] <Nermal> has a notification area
[03:35] <Nermal> would explain why it appears to be immortal
[03:35] <ian2> topyli: bah, be glad I'm not using "TEH_HAT!!"
[03:35] <ian2> its heavy...
[03:36] <Coily> ah ok, no it's gone. gaim isnt showing up in my process list, its an aim connection that's showing up
[03:36] <Coily> (in firestarter)
[03:36] <ian2> Coily: take network cable
[03:36] <topyli> interesting
[03:36] <Coily> it refuses to close even though gaim has been closed for some time now
[03:36] <ian2> take knife
[03:36] <Torakiky> hi can someone help me?
[03:36] <ian2> snipsnipsnip
[03:37] <ian2> =D
[03:37] <Coily> if anyone has ideas...
[03:37] <Nermal> whats the problem ? (RAGE)
[03:37] <Coily> this connection to an aol ip keeps renewing itself
[03:37] <Nermal> ^ Torakiky
[03:38] <Torakiky> I'm in trouble with xmame
[03:38] <Torakiky> when I hit exit to exit the game the session automatically restart
[03:38] <Nermal> oh
[03:38] <ian2> Coily: dunno but you got a cool nick.
[03:38] <Nermal> no mame channel ?
[03:38] <Coily> ian2 nooo springs =[
[03:38] <Torakiky> Nermal: ok
[03:38] <ian2> =P
[03:39] <pugio> Torakiky: well, you could always just kill the process
[03:40] <pugio> Coily: really, what happens when you pull your network cable?
[03:40] <Coily> nothing, the connection still shows up
[03:40] <nayfnu> Magic
[03:40] <topyli> one day we were discussing someone's immortal samba daemons here. ubuntu has strange invigorating powers
[03:40] <Torakiky> pugio: it's impossible, when I start the game in fullscreen mode how can I kill the process?
[03:40] <Coily> is there a quick way to kill all connections?
[03:41] <pugio> shut down the network interface?
[03:41] <pugio> ifconfig eth0 down
[03:41] <nayfnu> Tora: try hitting Ctrl+Alt+a function key to get a virtual terminal
[03:41] <pugio> (think that's it)
[03:41] <Coily> ill give it a shot
[03:41] <evarlast> Coily: but what is the STATUS of the connection?
[03:41] <Torakiky> nayfnu: ok, I'll try
[03:41] <evarlast> Coily: it would be normal for the status to be CLOSE_WAIT
[03:42] <Coily> evarlast i dont believe thats the case
[03:42] <Coily> as it keeps renewing itself
[03:42] <topyli> Coily: or perhaps firestarter is hallucinating :)
[03:43] <Coily> firestarter doesnt have a status column, and i cant get lsof to show the connection with lsof -i
[03:43] <JDigital> Hello folks. Does anyone know how I can set up a cronjob to use mplayer to open a video file?
[03:43] <evarlast> Coily: is this a NAT box?  Maybe some other computer is running AIM and connecting out?  AIM comes with OMG spyware.  Maybe it is weatherbug or something like that?
[03:43] <Amaranth> Coily: open a terminal and run ps -e
[03:43] <Amaranth> see if gaim shows up
[03:43] <Coily> evarlast im the only one in my network =[
[03:44] <topyli> Coily: i have two aol connections here it seems :)
[03:44] <JDigital> I'm setting it like
[03:44] <JDigital> 15 14 * * * env DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer -fs -zoom /mnt/anime/Anime/Bleach/Bleach\ -\ 13\ \[1567A285\] \[Lunar\] .avi
[03:44] <Coily> Amaranth gaim does not show up
[03:44] <JDigital> that's not working though
[03:44] <Coily> its been closed for quite a while now
[03:44] <JDigital> the mplayer part is okay, I guess I'm doing the display thing wrong.
[03:44] <Coily> topyli what do you mean?
[03:44] <evarlast> JDigital: you cannot set environment variables like that in crontab entries.
[03:45] <Coily> is gaim closed for you as well?
[03:45] <JDigital> Ah. What's the way around it?
[03:45] <JDigital> If I leave it out the video doesn't play.
[03:45] <topyli> Coily: firestarter shows two connections. but then, i actually am connected (once)
[03:46] <Coily> toyli do you have something in the 64.12.31.x range?
[03:46] <Coily> stupid auto complete
[03:47] <evarlast> JDigital: just put it at the beginning of the file. w/out the "env"
[03:47] <evarlast> JDigital: see /etc/crontab for an example.
[03:47] <Coily> topyli do you have something in the 64.12.31.x range?
[03:47] <topyli> Coily: 63.12.165 actually.
[03:47] <JDigital> ah
[03:48] <Coily> would you mind killing gaim and seeing if that connection stays active
[03:48] <topyli> Coily: the other one is somewhere in my isp's namespace
[03:48] <topyli> Coily: i'm using gaim for irc ATM :)
[03:48] <Coily> 63.12 is owned by aol, im not worried about the connection itself. im worried about why i keep accepting keep alive requests
[03:49] <topyli> Coily: i disconnected gaim from aol, and the connection is gone from firestarter's list
[03:50] <Coily> topyli im guessing gaim didnt shut down properly on my machine
[03:50] <topyli> Coily: upon reconnect, i now have 3 connections! WTF?
[03:50] <JDigital> evarlast: That works fine, thanks very much :)
[03:50] <geargolem> hi 'erbody\
[03:50] <evarlast> JDigital: You are very welcome.
[03:50] <Coily> still looking for a quick way to kill all tcp connections
[03:50] <geargolem> Does anyone know why blender wouldn't play back an animation?
[03:50] <Coily>  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart doesnt work
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone have a resource on upcoming graphical goodness? in X / gnome / etc?
[03:51] <Amaranth> Coily: sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0
[03:51] <Coily> giving it a shot
[03:51] <Amaranth> HiddenWolf: osnews has a screenshot filled review of hoary, hang on
[03:51] <JDigital> While I'm here, can anyone tell me how to solve the problem whereby I can ssh into a server and enter my password - it'll even let me know if I get the password wrong - but it'll just blink the cursor at me once I successfully log in, instead of displaying the MOTD and whatnot?
[03:52] <JDigital> I'm doing like "ssh pyoko.org"
[03:52] <Amaranth> HiddenWolf: http://ryanthiessen.com/static/hoary_array5.html
[03:52] <Coily> er
[03:52] <JDigital> using warty
[03:53] <HiddenWolf> Amaranth: thanks
[03:53] <Coily> firestarter still listed the connection, but since it doesnt list the status i have no clue whats really going on
[03:53] <Coily> how can i view the status of a connection (close_wait, etc)
[03:53] <^S^> If I wanted to change the string "System Configuration" to something like "My System", under "Computer" top menu
[03:53] <^S^> how could I edit that particular string?
[03:53] <membreya> does anyone know the name of the logitech quickcam tools for ubuntu..i found them early tonight but stupid me didn't grab them
[03:53] <^S^> anyone?
[03:54] <evarlast> Coily: netstat -na.
[03:54] <evarlast> Coily: netstat -vpna as root is very helpful.
[03:54] <krism_> asdk
[03:54] <Coily> whoa theres netstat in linux :X
[03:55] <colinA> does anyone here have experience with compiling zope 2.7 or zope 3 under ubuntu?
[03:55] <evarlast> Coily: LOL. yes there is netstat.  Why wouldn't there be?
[03:55] <Coily> everlast well i didnt figure it would have the same name
[03:56] <Coily> though i guess its a regular network command huh
[03:56] <evarlast> Coily: if you are coming from windows... well, unix had it first.  ;)
[03:56] <Coily> :O
[03:57] <topyli> open source punks. always copying unix command names
[03:57] <Coily> how can i allow terminal to retain more lines?
[03:57] <topyli> Coily: just grep for the port you want
[03:57] <nayfnu> Yeah, Bill wanted to change it to "networkstats", but it was more than 8 characters, so, you know...
[03:58] <JDigital> hehe
[03:58] <JDigital> MICROS~1
[03:58] <evarlast> Coily: or pipe to less.
[03:59] <topyli> it's fun to try and cope with directories like Program Files and My Pictures in dos commands
[03:59] <evarlast> Coily: if you mean gnome-terminal, its in settings under the scrollback tab.
[03:59] <evarlast> topyli: its easy if you have tab completion enabled in cmd.exe
[04:00] <topyli> ahh... they have that? live and learn
[04:00] <nayfnu> While we're at it, does anyone know what kind of dog sense msdos's command history is trying to make?
[04:00] <nayfnu> Or, what kind of dog sense that last question is trying to make?
[04:00] <nayfnu> *goes back to bed*
[04:00] <topyli> nayfnu: afaik, dos has F3 to repeat the last command, but that's about it
[04:01] <nayfnu> Well, you can now go up to get the last few commands a la bash
[04:01] <nayfnu> Except it seems to display them in some kind of random order
[04:01] <nayfnu> Makes it entertaining, at least
[04:01] <topyli> in win2k? i don't have much experience with modern ms systems
[04:02] <nayfnu> WinXP
[04:02] <Coily> how can i filter netstat to active connections?
[04:02] <nayfnu> They finally figured out it was a good idea
[04:02] <evarlast> doskey made it nice since dos 5.0.
[04:02] <evarlast> doskey workalike is default in cmd.exe now
[04:03] <nayfnu> Coily: I thought that was the default
[04:03] <Coily> nayfnu nope
[04:03] <Coily> nothin but verbose
[04:03] <Coily> while were on the subject, why is port 25 open by default
[04:03] <nayfnu> Gutted
[04:04] <goldfish> 25 is?
[04:04] <Amaranth> port 25 is a mailserver
[04:04] <evarlast> Coily: drop the a.
[04:04] <goldfish> ah yes
[04:04] <Amaranth> it is only open to localhost
[04:04] <evarlast> Coily: netstat -nvp | less
[04:04] <Coily> ooh pipes
[04:05] <goldfish> :)
[04:05] <topyli> heh
[04:05] <nayfnu> Ah, pipes, how I love thee
[04:05] <nayfnu> I think I would look good with a pipe
[04:05] <nayfnu> Kind of a Sherlock Holmes vibe
[04:05] <topyli> everybody looks good with a pipe
[04:05] <nayfnu> And then I could make the smoke go to /dev/null
[04:05] <nayfnu> No passive smoking!
[04:06] <Amaranth> I think I'd look good with a carriage return
[04:06] <nayfnu> Where would you put it?
[04:07] <Amaranth> ^_^
[04:07] <zzyber> okey, i now have a working wireless on my laptop but one thing remain. When i start my computer the boot procedure take to long becouse of the dhcp checking of eth0 (i now use wlan0) How can i reduce eth0 to 1 check for dhcp and not a minute like it is today?
[04:09] <membreya> does anyone know the name of the logitech quickcam tools for ubuntu..i found them early tonight but stupid me didn't grab them
[04:10] <Coily> hm a connection shown in firestarter isnt showing up in netstat
[04:10] <Coily> -vpna
[04:10] <membreya> zzyber: disable dhcp and set a static IP? :)
[04:10] <Coily> im guessing that makes it a firestarter bug?
[04:10] <topyli> zzyber: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[04:10] <zzyber> membreya, yes that is one possibility
[04:10] <zzyber> topyli, checking
[04:11] <topyli> zzyber: default is timeout 60, you could change it to 10 or something i guess
[04:12] <kroon> Is it just me or is the hoary gnome-panel window list looking a little wierd ?
[04:12] <zzyber> topyli, do you know what initial-interval 2; does?
[04:13] <membreya> zzyber: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuringnetworkinterfacestooslow
[04:13] <membreya> kroon: elaborate
[04:13] <Gul3> hello. can somebody help me with command-line burning? i want to burn a hoary.iso file so it can boot from bios. what command and what options? btw, the cdwriter is /dev/hdd
[04:13] <topyli> zzyber: the  amount  of  time  between  the first  attempt  to  reach  a  server  and the second attempt to reach a server. dhclient.conf has a man page it seems :)
[04:14] <zzyber> topyli, :-)
[04:14] <zzyber> topyli, thanks
[04:15] <topyli> :)
[04:15] <membreya> mine was better topyli :P
[04:15] <topyli> heh
[04:15] <zzyber> membreya, thanks for that link, i missed it earlier (strange) I will try that timeout setting in dhcpcd.conf
[04:15] <Gul3> please..
[04:15] <topyli> membreya: it sure was: ctrl-c =)
[04:16] <membreya> hush now topyli :P
[04:16] <snowblink> zzyber: you could always disable the interface if you're not using it anymore
[04:17] <zzyber> snowblink, of course if i never will use it no more, but on a laptop you want it to "be there" if you want it without setting parameters in files.......
[04:18] <JDigital> While I'm here, can anyone tell me how to solve the problem whereby I can ssh into a server and enter my password - it'll even let me know if I get the password wrong - but it'll just blink the cursor at me once I successfully log in, instead of displaying the MOTD and whatnot?
[04:18] <snowblink> zzyber: Yup. I disable mine using the networking tool. All settings still there should I want them again.
[04:18] <kroon> membreya, well the minimized window fields are to small, ill fix a screenshot, one moment
[04:18] <membreya> kroon: its the new gnome
[04:18] <membreya> its easy to fix
[04:18] <membreya> right click to the left of your minimised windows
[04:19] <membreya> (area between windows and show desktop icon)
[04:19] <membreya> you know the one
[04:19] <kroon> membreya, im with you, preferences right ?
[04:19] <kroon> "Window List Preferences"
[04:19] <membreya> go to preferences and go to size
[04:19] <membreya> change the minimum size
[04:19] <membreya> mine's set to 400
[04:20] <png> how can i disable panel grouping property in hoary?
[04:20] <kroon> membreya, ah ok that sort of fixes it yes, but I still have a fixed size
[04:20] <kroon> membreya, that cant be intended by the new gnome-panel can it ?
[04:21] <snowblink> JDigital: man sshd, all there
[04:21] <membreya> kroon: remember that the current release of gnome (if you're running hoary) is unstable
[04:21] <kroon> membreya, yeah I understand that, still seemed kind of odd to break that, oh well 8)
[04:22] <membreya> kroon: give us a screenie to illustrate your problem :)
[04:22] <elf> hey room...
[04:22] <membreya> kroon: wish i could elaborate on the gnome more..but ive only been using linux for 2 weeks
[04:22] <elf> i dont know if any1 can help me but here goes...
[04:22] <elf> does any1 know anything about the program called ghostmouse?
[04:23] <Kwiat> hello i need help at configuringer my LAN for internet acess
[04:23] <nayfnu> png: Can't you just right-click on the section of the panel and adjust the preferences?
[04:23] <kroon> membreya, well, the problem is just that... fixed window list size, it doesnt expand automatically
[04:24] <membreya> is configuringer even a real word? :|
[04:24] <goldfish> nope
[04:24] <nayfnu> It is now!
[04:24] <goldfish> configuring
[04:24] <membreya> lol
[04:24] <Kwiat> membreya, sorry typo
[04:24] <kroon> membreya, but like you say it could be a gnome-bug, so ill bide my time
[04:24] <goldfish> dont be so picky :)
[04:24] <Kwiat> goldfish, thanks
[04:24] <elf> i guess not
[04:24] <Gul3> somebody who can help me with cdrecord?
[04:24] <elf> damn
[04:24] <goldfish> Kwiat: np
[04:24] <elf> any1 using point2play
[04:24] <png> nayfnu, thereis no section to disable at panel properties
[04:24] <JDigital> snowblink: I've been logged into a server and just done "ssh pyoko.org" and it worked
[04:24] <membreya> kroon: whats your max window size set to ?
[04:25] <JDigital> which is why I'm wondering why I can't ssh into anyplace from linux
[04:25] <kroon> membreya, 4096
[04:25] <Kwiat> wel my router is accessible at 192.168.1.1, but i can't ping it altough it all seems (after fresh out of the box ubuntu install) configured well to me
[04:25] <elf> guess not...
[04:25] <snowblink> JDigital: ?? That wasn't your question.
[04:25] <afonit> join #inkscpae
[04:25] <membreya> hmmm weird
[04:25] <nayfnu> png: Might be an issue with hoary, then.  Using warty I can right-click on the tab to the left of the window list, select preferences and edit the grouping from there
[04:26] <membreya> as i said kroon ...give us a screenie
[04:26] <kroon> membreya, it seems like "Minimum size" acts like the "Maximum Size". Yeah ill do one, one moment
[04:26] <Kwiat> terminal suggests -b(roadband ping) and then seems to ping at 192.168.1.10
[04:27] <Kwiat> anybody an idea? sorry if im writing some confusing bullshit
[04:27] <JDigital> snowblink: What happens is that I type "ssh pyoko.org" (where I have a shell account) and it prompts me for my password. If I enter it incorrectly it says "Permission denied, please try again", but if I enter it correctly it just stalls and does nothing, where it should bring up a command-line dealy for the server
[04:27] <membreya> Kwiat: is your computer the gateway?
[04:28] <Kwiat> membreya,i think not. im one of 2 clients who have access to the router
[04:28] <membreya> then set your gateway ip to your router
[04:28] <evarlast> JDigital: try just running a remote command via ssh.
[04:28] <snowblink> JDigital: I would use ssh -vvv to find out how far you're getting. Can you ssh from anywhere else to that box?
[04:29] <Kwiat> membreya, eh mh? how to do that?
[04:29] <evarlast> JDigital: purhaps invoking a login shell is causing a problem.  Also -vvv like snowblin says is a great idea.
[04:29] <JDigital> I can't ssh into anyplace I have an account.
[04:29] <Kwiat> system panel at the top >network configuration? i guess?
[04:30] <JDigital> I get as far as this:
[04:30] <JDigital> debug2: callback done
[04:30] <JDigital> debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
[04:30] <Kwiat> membreya, did this already. tried an failed
[04:30] <membreya> what happens when you try to ping the router IP???
[04:31] <membreya> and have you set your dns servers?
[04:31] <JDigital> attempting to type a command has no effect
[04:31] <snowblink> JDigital: can you confirm you can ssh to that account from a separate box?
[04:31] <Kwiat> membreya, im currently under windows but i remember terminal suggests -b(roadband ping) and then seems to ping at 192.168.1.10
[04:31] <membreya> Kwiat: that wasn't my question :P
[04:32] <Kwiat> membreya, :D im sorry
[04:33] <Kwiat> membreya, i ping my router and then terminal replies with ask for -b and a say yes and he seems to ping at another ip (.10 instead of .1)
[04:33] <kroon> membreya, http://www.spacecentre.se/jacob/temp/gnome-panel.jpg ; But it looks like a Gnome bug
[04:33] <JDigital> I've ssh'd into pyoko.org before from a bunch of other servers before, just by typing "ssh pyoko.org". But, I don't think it's a server-specific problem - currently, using ssh on my own box fails to connect to any server where I have an account, and I've tried all three.
[04:33] <membreya> Kwiat: go back to linux and go to /etc/network
[04:34] <membreya> and look at interfaces
[04:34] <JDigital> This is strange because only a few days ago I was able to log into them using PuTTY under Windows.
[04:34] <membreya> kroon: cool wallpaper :)
[04:34] <JDigital> and I can ftp into the servers just fine
[04:34] <JDigital> just not ssh
[04:34] <membreya> I question the last channel you're in tho :P lol
[04:34] <Kwiat> membreya, ok and then?
[04:35] <kroon> membreya, haha, its not what it seems like 8)
[04:35] <membreya> and see what it has set as the gateway
[04:35] <Kwiat> ok thanks ill do so
[04:35] <membreya> let us know the primary network interface info
[04:35] <membreya> you will also want to check the /etc/resolv.conf
[04:35] <membreya> to check dns servers
[04:35] <membreya> but more important we want you to be able to ping the gateway
[04:36] <membreya> kroon: you might want to take your minimum size to at least 400 :)
[04:36] <kroon> membreya, yeah but thats the point, the "minimum size" really specifies the "maximum size" it seems
[04:36] <kroon> membreya, at least here it does
[04:37] <membreya> your min size is set to 96
[04:37] <snowblink> JDigital: perhaps they are using ssh1?
[04:37] <Kwiat> membreya, ill try see you in about a quarter of an hour
[04:37] <kroon> membreya, yes, if I increase it, sure they will expand, but its not working as its supposed to be
[04:38] <JDigital> "ssh -1 pyoko.org" is no better
[04:39] <snowblink> JDigital: and you usually use passwords as opposed to keys?
[04:39] <JDigital> Yeah.
[04:39] <JDigital> what are keys
[04:40] <snowblink> JDigital: an easier way to use ssh. :)
[04:41] <snowblink> JDigital: but probably won't help you right now
[04:41] <membreya> kroon: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/Screenshot-1.png
[04:42] <snowblink> JDigital: Sometimes you can't get in because the server is loaded
[04:43] <membreya> kroon: like the kitty cat? :P
[04:43] <kroon> membreya, hehe yes very nice 8) Ok, will your total "window-list" width stay constant as you open more and more windows ?
[04:44] <kroon> membreya, Or will it automatically grow ?
[04:44] <membreya> hrm ..well as it opens more windows they add along the bottom...and gradually shrink
[04:44] <membreya> but it's the min size I was annoyed with
[04:45] <kroon> membreya, yeah, so instead of growing the total size, it shrinks each individual "window-item" so it can fit the newly ones ?
[04:45] <snowblink> JDigital: just another thought: DNS.
[04:46] <kroon> kroon, thats now how its supposed to work I think, at least thats not how Gnome2.8 worked
[04:46] <kroon> s/now/not
[04:46] <kroon> now im confused
[04:48] <JDigital> I doubt it's that the server is overloaded because I have tried three seperate servers and they're all giving me this problem.
[04:48] <membreya> kroon: welcome to linux :P
[04:49] <JDigital> I doubt it's DNS, because I can log into the server perfectly, it's just that once I supply my password it stalls at that point, and sshing to the IP address has the same effect.
[04:49] <membreya> JDigital: out of curiosity ...are you able to SSH to a local server?
[04:50] <JDigital> I'm not running an ssh server.
[04:50] <membreya> run one
[04:50] <membreya> to test it
[04:50] <snowblink> JDigital: I was thinking reverse look up
[04:50] <snowblink> JDigital: does your box have the reverse ip set up correctly?
[04:50] <JDigital> I have no clue.
[04:50] <JDigital> I am behind a router though.
[04:51] <membreya> snowblink: wouldn't the router take care of reverse IP then? :)
[04:51] <JDigital> and by router, I mean that my network hub has three computers and a DSL modem in it
[04:51] <membreya> JDigital: have you established port forwarding on the router?
[04:51] <membreya> is it a hub or a router?
[04:51] <JDigital> I have a hub and a dsl modem
[04:51] <membreya> hub will do SFA then
[04:52] <snowblink> membreya: DNS reverse IP?
[04:52] <membreya> AFAIK my router takes care of my reverse IP lookups
[04:52] <membreya> snowblink: but if he was having a problem with reverse IPs he wouldn't be able to ping anything
[04:52] <JDigital> My cheapass DSL modem and three computers including this one are connected to a hub.
[04:53] <JDigital> pinging pyoko.org works
[04:53] <membreya> JDigital: spend $50 USD and buy a router :P
[04:53] <snowblink> membreya: I think we are talking about different things.
[04:53] <membreya> snowblink: I'm referring to reverse lookups
[04:53] <snowblink> JDigital: do a dig -x on your ip address
[04:53] <snowblink> membreya: reverse IP addresses are defined by DNS servers not routers
[04:54] <JDigital> dug
[04:54] <snowblink> JDigital: what did you get?
[04:54] <dud> actually reverse IPs are resolved using in-arpa
[04:54] <JDigital> about twenty lines of stuff
[04:54] <JDigital> what am I looking for
[04:55] <snowblink> JDigital: answer section
[04:55] <JDigital> The odd thing is that I can connect to the server, it'll even give "wrong password" errors if I put in the wrong password, but when I DO give the right password, that's where it stalls
[04:55] <JDigital> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
[04:55] <JDigital> 6.32.155.81.in-addr.arpa. 86370 IN      PTR     host81-155-32-6.range81-155.btcentralplus.com.
[04:55] <dud> so called PRT records
[04:57] <membreya> JDigital: so it's an authentication problem?
[04:57] <snowblink> JDigital: can you paste the output of ssh -vvv server to http://www.pastebin.com/ ?
[04:59] <evarlast> JDigital: try "ssh pyoko.org ls"
[04:59] <Echylo> hawke, thanks again for your help with the ports yesterday
[04:59] <Echylo> :)
[05:01] <JDigital> evarlast: no worky
[05:01] <kroon> Is Hoary using utf8 "by default" ?
[05:01] <snowblink> JDigital: can you paste the output of ssh -vvv server to http://www.pastebin.com/ ?
[05:02] <membreya> JDigital: can you ssh successfully to any servers??
[05:02] <JDigital> none
[05:02] <JDigital> http://www.pastebin.com/244964
[05:03] <membreya> JDigital: I still say setup a local SSH server
[05:03] <membreya> and test it
[05:03] <JDigital> I have tried three and none of those work, even though I connected to one perfectly with PuTTY with Windows like a day or two ago
[05:05] <Echylo> kroon, I think that was one of their objectives
[05:05] <Echylo> to use utf8 as default :)
[05:06] <membreya> does anyone have a download link for mencoder??
[05:06] <snowblink> JDigital: your output looks okay, except you're missing the last line I get in mine: debug2: channel 0: rcvd adjust 131072
[05:08] <membreya> anyone? someone has to have a dl link :|
[05:08] <rooty> hi
[05:10] <JDigital> my last line is:
[05:10] <JDigital> debug2: fd 3 setting TCP_NODELAY
[05:10] <JDigital> debug2: callback done
[05:10] <JDigital> debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
[05:10] <JDigital> why is it missing that
[05:12] <membreya> does anyone have a download link for mencoder?? :(((
[05:13] <housetier> doesn't it come with the mplayer package?
[05:13] <JDigital> sudo apt-get install mencoder
[05:13] <snowblink> JDigital: can you try to scp a file?
[05:13] <JDigital> how do I do that
[05:13] <snowblink> JDigital: scp moo server:
[05:14] <JDigital> What's a good way to rip and encode a DVD, using linux?
[05:14] <topyli> mencoder used to be available from marillat but i think his repository is currently broken for ubuntu
[05:14] <JDigital> jdigital@thundaril:~ $ scp moo pyoko.org:
[05:14] <JDigital> jdigital@pyoko.org's password:
[05:14] <membreya> housetier: that's what I read but it's not included in my distro (amd64) so I need a seperate download
[05:14] <BrianAnthony> does anyone in here play the linux port of doom 3?
[05:14] <JDigital> then it stalls as usual
[05:14] <membreya> topyli: yes it is :)
[05:14] <JDigital> wonder if there'll be a linux half-life 2
[05:15] <topyli> i want worms armageddon instead :)
[05:15] <membreya> topyli: I thankyou so damn much .. I have a marillat bookmarked :)
[05:15] <membreya> http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/
[05:15] <mjr> JDigital, dvdrip works now, thoggen is a rising star though rough around the edges and slow
[05:16] <Echylo> woow
[05:16] <Echylo> worms
[05:16] <Echylo> lovely game
[05:16] <Xappe> topyli, and I want worms 3d to work with linux
[05:16] <Echylo> 3d sucky
[05:16] <membreya> worms forts rox :D
[05:16] <Echylo> it just aint cool
[05:16] <topyli> membreya: it might not be installable these days
[05:16] <Echylo> 2d is still better
[05:16] <topyli> yeah, armageddon rules most seriously
[05:16] <Xappe> Echylo, yes, and the best of the m all is worms 2
[05:16] <membreya> topyli: I downloaded it from the marillat ...working lovely :)
[05:16] <Echylo> yup
[05:17] <membreya> you might wanna bookmark that one :)
[05:17] <membreya> just for a different arch
[05:17] <topyli> membreya: congrats :)
[05:17] <membreya> topyli: so now I can record my tv :D
[05:17] <housetier> membreya if you feel like it you can build your own mplayer package
[05:17] <topyli> arrr. pirates
[05:17] <Xappe> but when you get the controls right, worms 3d has some charm too
[05:17] <membreya> housetier: ....2 weeks in linux...babysteps :)
[05:18] <membreya> Xappe: you REALLY have to try worms fort :)
[05:18] <housetier> membreya its actually fairly easy, but might require you to download a few extra packages so you can compile it
[05:18] <Xappe> membreya, hmm...new?
[05:18] <membreya> Xappe: yup...last few months
[05:18] <Xappe> ok
[05:18] <JDigital> It says that to install dvdrip, it must remove liblame0, mozilla-mplayer, mplayer-fonts and mplayer-k6
[05:18] <topyli> Xappe: i wonder why there's no decent worms clone for linux. atomic tanks doesn't quite cut it yet :)
[05:18] <housetier> membreya want to give it a try?
[05:18] <Echylo> isn't there a free alternative for worms for linux?
[05:19] <JDigital> but I like mplayer
[05:19] <topyli> Echylo: i've searched for ages in vain
[05:19] <Xappe> Echylo, not with tcp/ip support I think...
[05:19] <Xappe> just hotseat
[05:19] <topyli> Xappe: better than nothing! what are you referring to?
[05:20] <membreya> housetier: ...not right now...concentrating on getting everything up and running before I play around with custom packages
[05:20] <membreya> Xappe: http://www.wormsforts.com/
[05:20] <Xappe> topyli, hmm...cant recall the name right now, but it lurched in the repos somewhere
[05:21] <Echylo> oow
[05:21] <Echylo> I don't need multiplayer
[05:21] <nubeiro> Hello, any ppc users?
[05:21] <nubeiro> I need some advice with Hoary on an ibook
[05:21] <pugio> I am
[05:21] <pugio> hmmm, the only experience I've had with that is with the LiveCD
[05:21] <pugio> on an iBook
[05:22] <nubeiro> hello pugio
[05:22] <pugio> for Hoary... so.... shoot!
[05:22] <nubeiro> so you're using warty on ppc?
[05:22] <pugio> yes, as I said though, I have the hoary liveCD
[05:22] <pugio> anyway, what't he problem?
[05:22] <nubeiro> in fact, it's a kernel related question
[05:23] <nubeiro> I need to know how to enable sleep support with kernel 2.6.20
[05:23] <nubeiro> i mean... kernel 2.6.10
[05:23] <nubeiro> i've read that i would have to patch it and recompile
[05:24] <nubeiro> and i've also read that in 2.6.11 the sleep patch is included
[05:24] <Echylo> hey
[05:24] <Echylo> question
[05:24] <Echylo> how do you start numlock service
[05:24] <Echylo> cause I always have to push the keyboard button
[05:24] <snowblink> Echylo: bios probably
[05:24] <membreya> Echylo: sudo apt-get install numlockx
[05:25] <Echylo> I prefer the last
[05:25] <membreya> :P
[05:25] <Echylo> cause snowblink, in windows he does launch it
[05:25] <pugio> nubeiro: oy, I've never gotten sleeping to work
[05:26] <topyli> there are a few worms replacement candidates at freshmeat. i only know atomic tanks and nil from those
[05:26] <pugio> nubeiro: so... you're guess is as good as mine in that one
[05:26] <nubeiro> thanks pugio ;-)
[05:26] <nubeiro> pugio: if I get it to work I'll come back ;-D
[05:27] <SantaSCSI> Hi, i have some problems with ubuntu
[05:27] <Echylo> hah
[05:27] <Echylo> :)
[05:27] <Echylo> we all have ;)
[05:27] <Echylo> :p
[05:28] <JDigital> hehe
[05:28] <HiddenWolf> hah, we all have the problem that we're addicted.
[05:28] <membreya> Echylo: did numlockx work for you ?
[05:28] <Echylo> not yet
[05:28] <SantaSCSI> i'm installing the 64bit version on my 9Gb harddisk
[05:28] <Echylo> haven't even tried :$
[05:28] <membreya> do it man!
[05:28] <SantaSCSI> but ubuntu says it need 12
[05:28] <Echylo> yes sir
[05:28] <JDigital> I downloaded the amd64 version by accident, heh
[05:28] <SantaSCSI> at least 12 gig :|
[05:29] <membreya> JDigital: you were preempting a decent computer :)
[05:29] <Echylo> and help SantaSCSI he's a friend
[05:29] <Echylo> :p
[05:29] <JDigital> heh
[05:29] <membreya> amd64 3200+ :)
[05:29] <JDigital> The old-fashioned Athlon XP is still respectable
[05:29] <membreya> only 120 gb harddrive :(
[05:29] <membreya> but it is sata :)
[05:29] <JDigital> It runs Half-Life 2 very well
[05:29] <SantaSCSI> only? be lucky
[05:29] <membreya> confuses everyone when I say /dev/sda ;)
[05:29] <goldfish> hehe
[05:29] <JDigital> only 1.25GHz :(
[05:29] <Echylo> membreya, it installed numlock so
[05:29] <goldfish> I remember my last pc had a 3.2gb hard drive :)
[05:29] <membreya> SantaSCSI: I am going to get a 200 gb SATA drive in the next few weeks :)
[05:30] <viper12> morning all
[05:30] <goldfish> morning
[05:30] <membreya> Echylo: that means that everytime you start your computer the numlock will be on
[05:30] <membreya> viper12: I told you to stop stalking me
[05:30] <Echylo> yes
[05:30] <Echylo> that was the purpose
[05:30] <Echylo> ;)
[05:30] <SantaSCSI> i have a 60Gb and a 22Gb on which i want to install ubuntu
[05:30] <[Schok] Semt-X> evarlast, you around?
[05:30] <SantaSCSI> but free space is a problem :(
[05:30] <membreya> Echylo: It's 3.30 am ...stop confusing me
[05:30] <Echylo> :D
[05:30] <viper12> just got around to setting up dvd (libdvdcss) on my laptop.......and it works.......but the playback is really........slugged. (frame skipping and such)....any suggestions?
[05:30] <evarlast> [Schok] Semt-X: I'm around.
[05:30] <[Schok] Semt-X> <JDigital> only 1.25GHz :(    <- I got 392MHz!
[05:30] <rubixXx> for some reason my codecs don't properly display most .wmv files (microsoft asf video), does anyone have a suggestion (i'm using mplayer), or does anyone know the plugin name for totem?
[05:31] <Echylo> now anyone knows why his ubuntu install requirs more then 12? gig
[05:31] <JDigital> That's nothing, my other computer is 7MHz
[05:31] <[Schok] Semt-X> JDigital, I have 3 PS/2's
[05:31] <[Schok] Semt-X> model 55 and model 60
[05:31] <rooty> hi, ppl! Where can i get kernel sources fot Ubuntu? ;)
[05:31] <[Schok] Semt-X> Ranging from 6 to 11mhz
[05:31] <membreya> JDigital: RISC? :P
[05:31] <JDigital> Playstation 2s? :)
[05:31] <JDigital> no, Amiga :)
[05:31] <SantaSCSI> any1?
[05:31] <[Schok] Semt-X> N64 is 93MHz
[05:31] <evarlast> rubixXx: you need w32 codecs
[05:31] <membreya> rooty: sudo apt-get (kernel-headers) do an apt-cache search
[05:31] <[Schok] Semt-X> SNES like 13 orso
[05:31] <crimsun> rooty: linux-source-2.6.8.1 for warty, linux-source-2.6.10 for hoary
[05:31] <Xappe> Echylo, temp package files?
[05:31] <Echylo> no
[05:32] <Echylo> ask SantaSCSI
[05:32] <Echylo> the installation
[05:32] <rooty> thnx
[05:32] <membreya> JDigital: I miss my Amiga..particularly with zool
[05:32] <Echylo> of amd64
[05:32] <membreya> god I loved that game
[05:32] <[Schok] Semt-X> Anyone know why ubuntu will not recognize my Cirrus Logic cs4236, even modprobing does not work.
[05:32] <JDigital> Zool was a great game
[05:32] <Echylo> asks more then 12 gig
[05:32] <rubixXx> evarlast): nope i got them installed, and a bunch of other extra codecs, and a lot of wmv files still don't work
[05:32] <[Schok] Semt-X> zool was retarded, come on
[05:32] <JDigital> solution: apt-get install uae :)
[05:32] <crimsun> [Schok] Semt-X: because you have to pass isapnp=0
[05:32] <membreya> [Schok] Semt-X: men have died for less
[05:32] <[Schok] Semt-X> crimsun, just in terminal?
[05:32] <SantaSCSI> i was suprised when the install asked me to free 12.5Gb at least :s
[05:32] <Echylo> Xappe, SantaSCSI's installation of Ubuntu(amd64) asks for at least 12gig
[05:32] <crimsun> [Schok] Semt-X: and possibly the port, dma*, etc. parameters
[05:32] <[Schok] Semt-X> ah
[05:32] <[Schok] Semt-X> Thank you;)
[05:33] <[Schok] Semt-X> evarlast was helping me with it but he seems unavailable
[05:33] <Xappe> Echylo, ah, missed that part
[05:33] <Echylo> :)
[05:33] <viper12> on the w32 codecs.......get the codec pack from the mplayer site.  install them per the directions on his site.......solved all my wmv problems.
[05:33] <[Schok] Semt-X> crimsun, privmsg
[05:34] <viper12> now to repeat my plea:  just got around to setting up dvd (libdvdcss) on my laptop.......and it works.......but the playback is really........slugged. (frame skipping and such)....any suggestions?
[05:34] <membreya> viper12: got DMA active?
[05:34] <Echylo> xappe you know why it needs so much space?
[05:34] <membreya> viper12: I get sluggish playback on my computer (amd64 3200+)
[05:34] <membreya> but I can't enable DMA on my DVD drive
[05:34] <membreya> and noone can answer why
[05:35] <viper12> I was thinking that as you typed it membreya........but wasn't sure it was necessary.........(compac x1000 widescreen dvd/cd writer.)
[05:35] <crimsun> do your ide controller _and_ the driver both support dma modes?
[05:35] <Xappe> Echylo, no...temp package files? ;D
[05:35] <membreya> viper12: do a hdparm -d /dev/{DVD DRIVE}
[05:35] <viper12> checking that now.
[05:35] <Echylo> xappe! :p
[05:35] <membreya> crimsun: yup...dmesg says that it's defaulting to 33
[05:35] <Echylo> it's the installation
[05:36] <Echylo> which requires a partition of more then 12 gig
[05:36] <membreya> but I try and do a hdparm -d1 /dev/hda and it says not permitted
[05:36] <Echylo> which is not normal :s
[05:36] <SantaSCSI> indeed
[05:36] <rooty> and one more question. How to change locale?
[05:36] <crimsun> membreya: where's the strace output?
[05:36] <Xappe> no, my hoary ix86 is around 3,5 GB with lots of junk installed
[05:36] <membreya> crimsun: the what now? <-- linux newbie
[05:36] <Echylo> xappe
[05:37] <Echylo> I gonna slap you
[05:37] <Echylo> :p
[05:37] <Echylo> It's the installation
[05:37] <SantaSCSI> warty-release-install-amd64.iso.torrent   20-Oct-2004 17:11    21k  Installation CD for AMD64 computers (standard download)
[05:37] <Echylo> yes that ^
[05:37] <Echylo> when it sets up partitioner
[05:37] <Echylo> it needs more then 12gig
[05:37] <Echylo> any1
[05:37] <Xappe> Echylo, hehe
[05:37] <Xappe> Echylo, you said?
[05:37] <Xappe> ;P
[05:38] <Echylo> I gonna kill ya
[05:38] <[Schok] Semt-X> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7006822/
[05:38] <Echylo> every1 except Xappe en membreya(who is confused at this hour)
[05:38] <crimsun> membreya: need strace(1) output to debug the hdparm mess.
[05:38] <SantaSCSI> i'll try Echy :p
[05:39] <Echylo> :)
[05:39] <Echylo> ask them again
[05:39] <rooty> hm
[05:39] <membreya> crimsun: ..it's 3.40 am..can you give me the command line i will need :P
[05:39] <SantaSCSI> Ubuntu A64 edition warthy is asking for 12.5Gb disk space AT LEAST, is this normal?????????????
[05:39] <Echylo> no
[05:39] <Echylo> :p
[05:39] <Xappe> Echylo, sorry, felt like fooling around a bit
[05:39] <Echylo> we need solution
[05:39] <Echylo> :)
[05:39] <membreya> SantaSCSI: I installed a64 edition on a 10gb partition
[05:39] <Echylo> I noticed that
[05:39] <crimsun> membreya: man 1 strace  :-)  Essentially, strace -o something.txt -fF hdparm ...
[05:40] <SantaSCSI> weird :s
[05:40] <membreya> ok Ive got it now crimsun :)
[05:40] <membreya> what am I looking for ? it's huge
[05:41] <cybane> What is the default run level for Ubuntu
[05:41] <crimsun> membreya: bzip2 it and stash it somewhere public
[05:41] <crimsun> cybane: 2, just like Debian.
[05:41] <crimsun> cybane: knowing that 2-5 are equivalent
[05:41] <cybane> I never used Debian before
[05:42] <crimsun> cybane: hence why I said it's 2 :-)
[05:42] <[Schok] Semt-X> I did, but it was like 11011100001101010111
[05:42] <membreya> crimsun: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/something.txt
[05:42] <membreya> ;)
[05:42] <crimsun> membreya: bzip2ed?
[05:42] <membreya> just .txt :P
[05:42] <membreya> read it in your browser
[05:42] <crimsun> membreya: sorry, console-only atm
[05:43] <cybane> thanks
[05:43] <crimsun> I'll have to pull links from somewhere
[05:44] <encrypti1> crimsun: *cough* links *cough*
[05:45] <crimsun> encryptio: yes, hence my reference to /usr/bin/links
[05:45] <membreya> crimsun: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/something.tar.bz2 :)
[05:48] <will> how do i resize FeiserFS partitions?
[05:48] <will> oops, ReiserFS!
[05:48] <membreya> crimsun: got an answer yet? :P
[05:49] <membreya> hmmmmm anyone know the best way to record tv episodes?
[05:49] <crimsun> membreya: kinda busy atm, will get back to you
[05:49] <HiddenWolf> membreya, get a tv-tuner, and install mythtv
[05:49] <membreya> crimsun: cheers..just private message me as I'll be going to sleep soonly
[05:49] <will> exactly
[05:49] <membreya> HiddenWolf: got my tv tuner working through tvtime...thought mythtv would be my best shot
[05:50] <will> anyone know howto resize ReiserFS partitions?
[05:51] <HiddenWolf> membreya: tvtime doesn't offer recording, so you'll have to suffer mythtv
[05:51] <membreya> is mythtv a bad thing?
[05:51] <membreya> HiddenWolf: I could always use mencoder..but that entails creating a script :P
[05:52] <dieman> heh, ive not been following the whole ubuntu governance thing
[05:52] <dieman> its like somewhat developed now.
[05:53] <ColinA> has anyone been able to successfully get Zope 2.7.4 to compile under Ubuntu? gcc dies with exit status 1 when I try to compile it
[05:53] <ColinA> works flawlessly under debian woody
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> membreya: if you do that, you could just as well cobble together your own program. :)
[05:55] <Echylo> question
[05:56] <ColinA> the zope on ubuntu wiki says to apt-get install zope but that package doesn't exist...
[05:56] <Echylo> is it possible to use python together with php, like the variables gotten by php I save them in a file, read them with python & execute the python(server)? or is there a much easier way except spyce
[05:57] <dud> Echylo, stuff it in a common database
[05:57] <Echylo> too hard :p
[05:57] <dud> mysql/postgresql/sqlite
[05:57] <Echylo> next! :p
[05:57] <Echylo> okay
[05:57] <Echylo> hmm nothing easier
[05:57] <Echylo> like passing the php variables to python?
[05:58] <dud> in the long run, using a static file will be harder than getting a dynamic relation database :)
[05:58] <Echylo> hmm
[05:58] <Echylo> well this is the prob, I wrote a very simple(easy) html generator
[05:58] <Echylo> with python
[05:59] <Echylo> now I want to make it possible to users to use the script to generate files
[05:59] <dud> at the very least, you should store it in xml files :)
[05:59] <dud> xml rocks the socks
[05:59] <oly> hi, can someone recommend a text editor gedit si great except i can not highlight lines of text and press tab to indent the lot or use shift tab to unindent
[05:59] <Echylo> ok
[06:00] <oly> the only other features i need are line numbering and tabed views for multiple open text files
[06:00] <dud> oly, tried bluefish?
[06:00] <oly> not tried anythin lol
[06:00] <pvh> oly: Gedit has line numbering and tabs.
[06:00] <dud> might suit your needs prefectly
[06:00] <oly> there to many to try
[06:00] <oly> yeah it does found them
[06:00] <dud> just check out bluefish :)
[06:00] <oly> but the tab indent multi lines is annoying
[06:01] <oly> i will dud thxs
[06:01] <oly> i am formatting code so it was starting to annoy me :p
[06:02] <IRCManu> hello ...
[06:03] <IRCManu> I can't install my ubuntu , because of 64 Mo ram , can I do that without Gnome?
[06:03] <CarlK> IRCManu  yes
[06:04] <CarlK> you can do "server" which only installs about 250meg of "base" stuff
[06:04] <CarlK> not even X or gcc
[06:04] <ColinA> at the install boot prompt type custom
[06:04] <CarlK> custom?
[06:04] <ColinA> and you will be able to select exactly what you want
[06:04] <ColinA> yes, custom
[06:04] <ColinA> :-)
[06:04] <bretzel> hi everyone 8-)
[06:04] <ColinA> hiya bretzel
[06:04] <CarlK> why isn't that in the F2 screen?
[06:04] <ColinA> I honestly have no idea
[06:04] <ColinA> It should be, I agree
[06:04] <ColinA> hehe
[06:05] <ColinA> its a great distro just lacking a bit of documentation ;)
[06:05] <CarlK> indeed
[06:05] <ColinA> mdz has his hands full tho i know
[06:05] <CarlK> I wish the wiki was a bit more ... friendly
[06:05] <membreya> hrm
[06:05] <ColinA> haha, it's helped me already with my problem
[06:05] <membreya> has anyone here installed mythtv? :P
[06:05] <ColinA> if you need any further assistance ill be around for another 30 mins or so
[06:05] <IRCManu> i must reinstall All
[06:05] <ColinA> feel free to msg me
[06:05] <IRCManu> Very sorry but i  dont know linux
[06:06] <ColinA> no you don't have to reinstall all packages..?
[06:06] <IRCManu> How can i do ? Im just go on Xterm but , i dont know what , after
[06:07] <ColinA> get your ubuntu CD/DVD
[06:07] <ColinA> put it in the drive
[06:07] <ColinA> reboot and reinstall the distro
[06:07] <ColinA> when it says press enter to continue
[06:07] <membreya> sudo dpkg -i *
[06:07] <membreya> :)
[06:07] <ColinA> first type in custom
[06:07] <ColinA> then press enter
[06:07] <ColinA> sudo dpkg -i * will install every package
[06:08] <membreya> if you have it backed up yes ColinA ..it's what I have done the last few times
[06:08] <ColinA> if i understand you correctly you don't want to install everything, right?
[06:08] <ColinA> or do you just want to disable gnome
[06:08] <topyli> Echylo: http://www.wormux.org/en/index.php
[06:08] <ColinA> err well I'm not sure if installing everything is what he wants to do hehe
[06:08] <ColinA> dunno ;p
[06:09] <IRCManu> Colin , you talk to me ?
[06:09] <ColinA> ?
[06:09] <ColinA> manu do you speak french by chance
[06:09] <toad11> Hi ... I need help with sound card recognition on old Thinkpad (cs4232 ..ISA). Anyone ?
[06:09] <IRCManu> Ok sorry . Oui je parle fr
[06:10] <bretzel> moi aussi :)
[06:10] <Echylo> lovely topyli checking it out in a moment
[06:11] <Echylo> wooooow
[06:11] <IRCManu> mais ne sachant pas ou on est , sur IRC ...
[06:11] <oly> okay, anyother recommendations for a text editor ?
[06:11] <topyli> Echylo: couldn't get the debian packages to install but the static 0.4 version works (kinda)
[06:11] <CarlK> toad11 - i got a crapy page of tips...
[06:11] <bretzel> Manu: What do you mean you don;t know where we are in IRC ???
[06:12] <CarlK> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:12] <toad11> CarlK ...yup, saw it ( it was crappy). LOL
[06:12] <ColinA> IRCManu: ce qui sont vous essayant de faire exactement..?
[06:12] <toad11> thanks anyway
[06:12] <IRCManu> Je voudrais  juste  de l'aide en Fr  sur  ce canal ...
[06:12] <Amaranth> +learn sound is https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:12] <membreya> has anyone here compiled mythtv on an a64???
[06:13] <cybane> I had to install the latest mysql from a binary so I am doing a lot of config from scratch.  Are these the proper commands to get MySQL to start upon boot? http://www.pastebin.com/244994
[06:13] <toad11> let me take a second look ... bbl
[06:13] <Amaranth> CarlK: If you need to tell someone that link again use +tell user about sound ;)
[06:13] <membreya> doing a make and getting the following error message cc1: error: bad value (k8) for -march= switch
[06:13] <membreya> cc1: error: bad value (k8) for -mcpu= switch
[06:13] <bretzel> Manu: Chack #ubuntufr or something like that: Il ya un canal francais ubuntu 8-)
[06:13] <bretzel> ubuntu-fr je crois
[06:14] <ColinA> ah..... bon. bon idee
[06:14] <ColinA> haha
[06:14] <IRCManu> Merci Bretzel , thank Colin
[06:14] <IRCManu> Bye  tous
[06:14] <ColinA> au revoir monsieur
[06:14] <viper12> membreya......just in case:  http://www.linux.com/howtos/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/x383.shtml  is a link to some GOOD info on cdrom dvd and dma stuff.
[06:15] <membreya> ta viper12 :)
[06:15] <bretzel> viper12: Thanks for the link, I have pain in the... to play media stuff in Hoary-array 5
[06:15] <membreya> aaah crap
[06:15] <membreya> gotta recompile my kernel!
[06:15] <viper12> lol.  I'm testing the dma fix to my cdrom as we speak. (hoary array5 as well.)
[06:15] <bretzel> ColinA: .. You not really speaking french 100% aren't you ?
[06:16] <viper12> SCWHIIINNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGG  setting hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc   worked.  woot and a 1/2. :D
[06:16] <Echylo> hmm
[06:16] <Echylo> can't get wormux package topyli
[06:16] <membreya> test your playback viper12 :)
[06:16] <topyli> Echylo: i got the static 0.4. the debian packages wouldn't work
[06:17] <MaxeyPad> I just installed xmms from apt, but it won't play mp3s.  Is there something extra needed?
[06:17] <viper12> i'm doing that as we speak. got episode 4 starwars in (newish dvd) and its smooth as silk now.
[06:17] <viper12> yeppers.  that did it.
[06:17] <membreya> i hate you viper12  i have to recompile my kernel
[06:17] <membreya> and I know something will screw up
[06:17] <viper12> lol
[06:17] <Echylo> k
[06:18] <cybane> sudo ln -s /usr/local/mysql/support-files/mysql.server /etc/init.d/mysql
[06:18] <cybane> sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/mysql /etc/rc2.d/599mysql Are these the proper commands to ensure that an application will start upon boot?
[06:18] <viper12> I'm running hoary 5 with latest stuff on a compaq laptop.  now, I just realized......brain fart...where to I put the hdparm statement to have it automagically do that.
[06:19] <membreya> can someone give me a quick guide on recompiling the kernel in ubuntu? :(
[06:19] <viper12> doesn't it go in the hdparm.conf file?
[06:19] <toad11> exit
[06:19] <bretzel> viper12: somwhere in /etc/rcS.d/S07hdparm script ?
[06:20] <membreya> /etc/hdparm.conf?
[06:20] <membreya> can someone give me a quick guide on recompiling the kernel in ubuntu? :( pleaaase
[06:20] <Deft> can anyone tell me if there is some policy with rosetta for marking bad strings in the original language?
[06:20] <viper12> I think that membreya's got it.......(gonna test it anyway.)
[06:22] <spiral> hi
[06:22] <dud> membreya, http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm follow that
[06:23] <dud> its not 100% correct, as it is for debian, but its almost correct since ubuntu is so closely based on debian :)
[06:23] <membreya> dud: I'm trying http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto but I'm scared it will screw up and I will get a panic
[06:23] <Deft> membreya, as long as you still have your previous kernel, a panic doesn't really hurt
[06:24] <viper12> mem, what's missing from your build that needs it? (for the dma stuff?
[06:24] <dud> if you make sure that grub doesnt wipe out your menu.1st but only adds the new custom kernel, you can revert back
[06:24] <viper12> exactly mem.........you can go back via 'grub' to one that doesn't barf if issues.
[06:24] <membreya> viper12: the guide just says I need to enable a chipset in the kernel to support it
[06:24] <plagerism> Has anyone had a problem running games(win32) in fullscreen mode in Hoary.  Everything works fine except the gnome-panel stays visible on top of the game
[06:24] <membreya> my dmesg says it's not sure of capabilities and makes it 33
[06:24] <viper12> when you do the -d1 to hdc does it crap?
[06:24] <plagerism> and then layout of the panel changes when I exit from the game
[06:25] <membreya> viper12: it says not permitted
[06:25] <viper12> hmmm.........is that with or without a disc in the tray?
[06:25] <viper12> (mine did the same thing when I had a disc installed.
[06:25] <membreya> both
[06:25] <viper12> drat.  well hey.
[06:26] <membreya> my dmesg has the following about my ATA
[06:26] <membreya> Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
[06:26] <membreya> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
[06:26] <membreya> Probing IDE interface ide0...
[06:26] <membreya> hda: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[06:26] <viper12> that's probably the difference over here.  mines a toshiba.......and its not dvd-rw, its just dvd with cd/rw
[06:27] <cody> hello.. can someone copy + paste their fstab that is accessing an ntfs partition?
[06:27] <membreya> what does your dmesg say ?
[06:27] <membreya> cody: /dev/sda1       /media/temp    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[06:27] <viper12> what commend parameters are you using for the dmesg?
[06:27] <oly> anyone suggest a nice text editor, scite is almost perfect but can open multi docs :(
[06:27] <bretzel> Sorry for the flood but I get thoses errors with totem trying to p[lay dvd:
[06:27] <bretzel> ** (totem:18885): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/x-dvd-subpicture
[06:27] <bretzel> ** (totem:18885): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int){ 1, 2 }, systemstream=(boolean)false
[06:27] <bretzel> ** (totem:18885): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)2, systemstream=(boolean)false
[06:27] <bretzel> ** (totem:18885): WARNING **: don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3
[06:27] <oly> can't
[06:27] <cody> membreya: dos that give non root access to mount?
[06:28] <LinuxJones> cody, >> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[06:28] <Deft> bretzel, do you have the gstreamer0.8-dvd package?
[06:28] <cybane> is this correct? sudo rename 599mysql S99mysql
[06:28] <bretzel> Deft: can't install: missing dependency : wiat:
[06:28] <bretzel> wait
[06:29] <membreya> viper12: dmesg |grep ide:
[06:29] <cody> thank you Jones
[06:29] <membreya> but I just did an entire dmesg
[06:29] <bretzel> Deft: Yes it is installed
[06:29] <membreya> which sources should I get ...2.6.10 or 2.6.11?
[06:29] <Tomcat_> membreya: 2.6.10
[06:30] <Deft> bretzel, check any other likely gstreamer0.8 packages as well, -a52dec and similar
[06:30] <membreya> I'm so damned scared of this ..all to enable DMA
[06:31] <bretzel> is a52dec a pacakage  - I mean installable in synaptic / apt-get ?
[06:31] <viper12> membreya....you've still got 'recovery' and such........you'll be fine.
[06:31] <Deft> bretzel, gstreamer0.8-a52dec I mean
[06:31] <membreya> so just make a new kernel and add it to grub?
[06:31] <membreya> will all my existing modules (nvidia and the like) still load?
[06:32] <viper12> if you know the module you need, synaptic can install that for you ya know.
[06:32] <membreya> nvidia and quicktime are my only add-on modules
[06:32] <dud> afaik, according to kerneltrap, 2.6.11 is at its most likely last release candidate, so you might as well just wait a while for the final .11 :)
[06:32] <membreya> should be good to go
[06:32] <viper12> yep
[06:32] <dud> wont be long now unless something iffy shows up
[06:32] <membreya> dud: ...and that never happens? :P
[06:33] <dud> hehe, from rc2-3 was pretty painless... only some obscure raid mess ups
[06:33] <bretzel> Deft: I just installed it now, totem cannot mount the cdrom[]  dev... "Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom0"
[06:33] <bretzel> duh....
[06:33] <dud> very informative message heh
[06:34] <membreya> wb Xappe :P
[06:35] <viper12> afk a few
[06:35] <membreya> tritium: *nods*
[06:35] <tritium> membreya, hello :)
[06:35] <dud> the default kernels has dma support
[06:36] <membreya> dud: noone told me that!
[06:36] <membreya> :(
[06:36] <dud> sorry hehe
[06:36] <membreya> no wonder dvds play like shiite
[06:37] <tritium> membreya, hdparm -d /dev/cdrom didn't work?
[06:37] <membreya> nope ...says operation not permitted
[06:37] <membreya> cos dma isnt enabled
[06:37] <membreya> dher me
[06:37] <dud> shouldnt it be -d1?
[06:37] <membreya> but apparently base kernel doesnt have dma
[06:37] <dud> you might need to sudo it also?
[06:37] <membreya> thanks again dud :P
[06:37] <Xappe> membreya, thnx :)
[06:37] <tritium> dud, yeah
[06:38] <Neil3> i dont think the base 386 kernel does enable dma
[06:38] <dud> just -d will give you dma status or something i believe
[06:38] <tritium> my bad
[06:38] <Neil3> but the k7 and 686 ones do
[06:38] <membreya> I have k8
[06:38] <membreya> a64 kernel
[06:38] <dud> 2.6.10 for amd64 has dma support
[06:38] <Neil3> would assume that would
[06:38] <membreya> gah!
[06:38] <tritium> my -686 kernel has dma support
[06:38] <membreya> damn people make up your mind
[06:38] <dud> although I need to manually set it for my optical drives
[06:39] <membreya> my dmesg gives the following message:
[06:39] <membreya> Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
[06:39] <membreya> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
[06:39] <tritium> me too.  at boot time, when /etc/init.d/hdparm is run, there is no /dev/hdb (cdrom) yet
[06:39] <membreya> my sata drives hdparm won't even give a dma status on :P
[06:39] <dud> yeah, its a chicken and egg thing I'm afraid
[06:40] <membreya> so should I still reconfigure a kernel
[06:40] <membreya> or is there another way around this ?
[06:40] <thundrcleeze> Is there an easy way to boot without X starting?
[06:40] <dud> sounds a bit odd really
[06:41] <Dr_willis> thundrcleeze,  disable the gdm service.
[06:41] <membreya> thundrcleeze: stop your run level at 3? :P
[06:41] <dud> thundrcleeze, change your /etc/inittab to a lower default level, and remove SXXgdm from one of the rc.d
[06:41] <membreya> dud: why does it sound a bit odd? :(
[06:41] <dud> rcS.d even
[06:41] <dud> membreya, hardrives are set by the bios dma or pio I believe
[06:42] <membreya> it's all enabled UDMA in the bios
[06:42] <membreya> and windows picks it up as udma
[06:42] <tritium> thundrcleeze, you shouldn't have to change your inittab.  Just remove the SXXgdm script.
[06:43] <andril> helo all
[06:43] <thundrcleeze> But isn't runlevels 2-5 or so the same in Debian?
[06:43] <dud> tritium, I suppose that'll do the job
[06:43] <thundrcleeze> *aren't
[06:43] <dud> I think so yes
[06:43] <thundrcleeze> so changing the runlevel won't help me at all.
[06:44] <membreya> dud: how it says ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ...could I just edit my grub menu?
[06:44] <Dr_willis> membreya,  i recall seeing that and researching it befor... and i think the answer was 'dont worry about it' :P
[06:44] <membreya> grand
[06:44] <membreya> i so dont want to recompile >:(
[06:45] <dud> but if you remove the gdm startup script for runlevel 2, you can prevent x from starting thundrcleeze
[06:45] <IRCManu> Hello
[06:45] <tritium> thundrcleeze, dud, membreya: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[06:45] <Dr_willis> i cant rember what exactly - but it was some how showing that speed in a way thats not normally imporntant.
[06:45] <dud> membreya, beats me... :) have a go at it is all I can say
[06:45] <membreya> Dr_willis: my udma dvd-rw is loaded as pio 33 :|
[06:45] <cybane> Is it possible to make a binary able to run from any directory?
[06:45] <IRCManu> My mouse doesn t work in my Ubuntu ...
[06:45] <sri> hey anybody know when the new evo debs will be available?
[06:46] <membreya> cybane: symlink it
[06:46] <dud> cybane, have it in your path?
[06:46] <tritium> sri, ask seb128
[06:46] <Dr_willis> membreya,  may want to google it some more.. but i dont think that kernel message is the issue.
[06:46] <seb128> sri: usually when there is a new release, why ?
[06:46] <codyman> anyone here using the prodvd app?
[06:46] <membreya> Dr_willis: http://www.linux.com/howtos/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/x383.shtml#dmatrouble
[06:46] <cybane> I know how to change the $PATH in windows but didn't know if that is how it is done in Linux
[06:47] <tritium> thundrcleeze, the method described in the Debian reference would also apply for ubuntu
[06:47] <sri> seb128: oh, I didn't see one and I thought they just releaseda new version of evo
[06:47] <dud> cybane, edit your /etc/bash.bashrc $PATH
[06:48] <seb128> sri: current version is 2.1.5, there is no new upstream afaik
[06:48] <sri> seb128: never mind it seems to be the 2.0.4 not 2.1.x series
[06:48] <mlk> which package should i install if i want some nice non-anti-aliased fonts for my gnome terminal?
[06:48] <Echylo> yaay
[06:48] <bretzel> Deft ?
[06:48] <Echylo> wormux
[06:48] <Echylo> team OS libres won!
[06:48] <Echylo> :p
[06:48] <sri> seb128: my bad.  I got excited becuase currently calendar doesn't work with connector and it looked it's fixed in 2.0.4 according to the changelog.
[06:48] <thundrcleeze> tritium, Thanks.  I just want to disable it once, are the fixes there permanent?
[06:49] <seb128> sri: k, np
[06:49] <cybane> Okay I opened the file with emacs however, there is no $PATH
[06:49] <tritium> thundrcleeze, yes
[06:49] <bretzel> in what source can I get libdvdcss2 ?
[06:49] <tritium> bretzel, ftp.nerim.net (Marillat repos)
[06:50] <bretzel> tritium: I am running hoary ... is it okay ?
[06:50] <IRCManu> My mouse doesn t work in my Ubuntu , Do I configure it myself with Xterm ?
[06:50] <tritium> bretzel, yes, it's fine
[06:50] <membreya> and should I use the a64 k8 kernel or the a64 generic??
[06:50] <bretzel> k: thanx tritium
[06:51] <IRCManu> It s  Ubuntu Warty 4.10  on  Pentium 133 , 5.8 Go
[06:51] <codyman> how do you edit menus in gnome?
[06:51] <tritium> Cool, they've changed browsing support in cups
[06:52] <bretzel> tritium: How I can add this source in hoary sources.list ? I mean the line
[06:52] <membreya> bretzel: sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:52] <membreya> :P
[06:53] <Pelle_> anyone using KDE >3.2 on ubuntu?
[06:53] <godsmoke> membreya: don't support the use of nano
[06:53] <bretzel> membreya: no, I know how to edit the file. I wnat to know what are the keywords: "deb ftp:// ... blahblah main? marillatt ?
[06:53] <tritium> bretzel, it's listed on ubuntuguide.org, in case you're looking for the right syntax
[06:53] <encryptio> kde 3.
[06:53] <encryptio> 3.3.2
[06:53] <membreya> recompiling the kernel now ..hopefully ATA will be supported
[06:53] <encryptio> here
[06:53] <dud> IRCManu, I don't think 133Mhz is fast enough
[06:53] <membreya> just using easy steps
[06:53] <dud> not for gnome...
[06:53] <membreya> godsmoke: would you prefer vi?
[06:53] <bretzel> tritium: okay thanx :-)
[06:53] <tritium> sure thing :)
[06:54] <godsmoke> membreya: it would put my mind at ease, yes :)
[06:54] <Pelle_> encryptio, got if from ubuntu archives?
[06:54] <IRCManu> Pelle : i 'd like but i cant'
[06:54] <membreya> godsmoke: what's wrong with nano? :P
[06:54] <godsmoke> ...
[06:54] <encryptio> Pelle_: nope, from debian unstable. gotta be really careful mixing distros, so be warned.
[06:54] <membreya> god it takes ages to compile a kernel
[06:54] <membreya> if friggin udma isnt enabled im going to scream
[06:55] <membreya> im not editing it by hand!
[06:55] <Pelle_> encryptio, I thought of that - but does it work? mixing debian pkgs with ubuntu?
[06:55] <IRCManu> Oh , so I can t use Ubuntu , Dud ?
[06:55] <encryptio> Pelle_: it does, but you have to know what you're doing. messing your system up a few times will help you learn that.
[06:55] <dud> IRCManu, you could, but I would recommend a lighter window manager
[06:55] <dud> like icewm or fluxbox/blackbox
[06:56] <membreya> godsmoke: you still haven't answered my question :P
[06:56] <tritium> Hmm, new cups didn't check to see that I had "Browsing" on when it installed /etc/cups/cupsd-browsing.conf
[06:56] <godsmoke> membreya: I think '...' said enough
[06:56] <membreya> lol
[06:56] <membreya> gah why isn't DMA enabled on my DVD drive!
[06:56] <membreya> @#%#@$!@#&^$@!
[06:56] <Pelle_> encryptio, hmm... im considering switching to fedora 3 (comes with kde 3.3 preinstalled). but i like ubuntu. its more stable...
[06:57] <cybane> I added the proper path to the file I want to be able to execute from any where in the directory structure but it is still giving me command not found errors?  Do I need to restart?
[06:57] <tritium> But, the diff did show me that the was browsing is handled by cups had changed, so no big deal, I guess.
[06:57] <membreya> godsmoke: I will look up the whitepapers and their reference to ... in flaws for nano :P
[06:57] <ulisse> hi all
[06:57] <membreya> cybane: I still say symlink it ;)
[06:57] <encryptio> Pelle_: well, you have fun with the rpms. i'm staying away from fc for that reason only
[06:57] <ulisse> I'm having a problem with hoary
[06:57] <dud> cybane, you need to re-login yes
[06:57] <cybane> okay
[06:58] <dud> bash.bashrc is only parsed upon logins
[06:58] <dud> ... not from irc lol
[06:58] <Pelle_> encryptio, yes, well. apt is one step ahead. cant compete with it.
[06:58] <ulisse> I can't see nomore some fstab entries in computer://
[06:58] <membreya> god does compiling kernels ALWAYS take like half an hour >:(
[06:58] <IRCManu> Dud , i  m just discovering Linux , so I don't know  how you can change the window manager...
[06:58] <dud> he prolly rebooted his entire pc >_<
[06:58] <membreya> ulisse: reboot :)
[06:58] <ulisse> membreya, it doesn't work...
[06:59] <membreya> does for me :\ I lose them if I restart gnome..but if I restart the computer they're there
[06:59] <encryptio> Pelle_: you can compete with it. gentoo competes with it, and has some serious advantages -- plus the disadvantage of a >8hour install, not just looking at the screen.
[06:59] <dud> IRCManu, there's a wiki entry for getting ubuntu running on older hardware I think
[06:59] <dud> ffs, portage is just freebsd ports done really badly ;)
[06:59] <ulisse> membreya, since some days ago, all the entries in fstab was there, but now i dee only the floppy, the cdroms and filesystem
[07:00] <ulisse> membreya, is it the same for you?
[07:00] <Pelle_> encryptio, have you ever used apt on an rpm system?
[07:00] <membreya> only if I have to restart gnome ulisse
[07:00] <encryptio> Pelle_: yes. i hated it.
[07:00] <Pelle_> encryptio, it didn't work?
[07:01] <encryptio> Pelle_: it was slow to load stuff -- i had to find out what i needed manually, get dependencies manuallt...
[07:01] <bretzel> No luck: Totem can't play DVD movies: it goes crasy ( eat all RAM+++ ) and doesn't respond to any events
[07:01] <dud> you could try following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM/ IRCManu :)
[07:01] <encryptio> Pelle_: nonetheless, it did "work"
[07:01] <membreya> what ARE these error messages? cast to pointer from integer of different size
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> Hi folks
[07:01] <dud> might be what you're looking for
[07:01] <codyman> how do you add stuff to gnome menus?
[07:01] <bretzel> And my DVD (hdc) light blink like crasy too
[07:01] <jeroenvrp> I want to sqirch from SuSE to Ubuntu. Why should I do it?
[07:01] <cybane> Can you have a symlink work in a path variable or do I need to put the full directory?
[07:02] <Pelle_> encryptio, hmm... im really fond of kde. have you tried the new 3.4?
[07:02] <penta> is there anyway i can move from Debian sid to ubuntu if so how can i go about doing it. i dont want to reinstall
[07:02] <encryptio> Pelle_: i'm in kde right now, and i like it. but, 3.4 is too on-the-edge for me.
[07:02] <tritium> Ah, new command: /usr/share/cups/enable_browsing 1 (or 0)
[07:02] <IRCManu> Thank you , dud ..
[07:03] <membreya> tritium: are you talking to yourself there dude? :P
[07:03] <jeroenvrp> Another question: What filesystem does Ubunto use by default?
[07:03] <tritium> membreya, :)
[07:03] <bretzel> Pelle_: 3.4 is in beta2 only ... did you tried it already ?
[07:03] <Pelle_> bretzel, no - i dont' have the bandwidth ;)
[07:03] <bretzel> :-)
[07:04] <membreya> *cries* it's taking forever to compile my new kernel and I just want to sleep..gotta be up in 2 1/2 hours for work
[07:04] <Pelle_> But you know, i would like to see the kde guys do an effort to replace X with their own stuff.
[07:04] <dud> I usually let a kernel compile run over the night
[07:04] <zenrox> ya
[07:04] <tritium> membreya, get some sleep.  The kernel can wait.  In fact, it'll compile without you being there.
[07:04] <Pelle_> something like cairo & quartz...
[07:05] <dud> cairo isnt an x replacement
[07:05] <membreya> why do I keep getting these messages? cast to pointer from integer of different size
[07:05] <encryptio> Pelle_: i wouldn't be surprised if they did.
[07:05] <dud> its a 2d graphical library
[07:05] <dud> as is quartz
[07:05] <bretzel> about my probs: hoary: The multimedia is totally screwedup! Can't play any thing ( gstreamer, totem, CD music...etc ....)
[07:05] <cybane> PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/mysql/bin" what is wrong with this line?
[07:05] <IRCManu> p133 is too small , that why the system is very slow , no ?
[07:05] <tritium> bretzel, same for many of us after upgrade to polypaudio
[07:05] <gustav_> codyman: look up applications:/// in nautilus
[07:06] <bretzel> tritium: ...and can we siomply wipeout polyaudio and install standard things like it was in Warty ?
[07:06] <Pelle_> dud, well cairo is a 2d lib, and so is quartz - but its a part of something newer and nicer than X...
[07:06] <tritium> bretzel, you can.  It'll uninstall ubuntu-desktop, which is of no real consequence.
[07:07] <membreya> damn you tritium  answer my question :P
[07:07] <bretzel> tritium: and re-installing gstream and CO. will be okay after that ??
[07:07] <tritium> membreya, :)  Shouldn't you get some rest?
[07:07] <codyman> gustav_: thanks
[07:07] <membreya> never!
[07:07] <dud> don't know about that. the way I see it... the fundamental drawback of X is its server/client nature
[07:07] <membreya> I slept for like 15 hours yesterday
[07:07] <tritium> bretzel, you probably only want to re-install esound
[07:08] <encryptio> dud: how is that a drawback?
[07:08] <dud> when 99% of desktop systems has no use for external x sessisions
[07:08] <Pelle_> dud, thants what i'm thinking too.
[07:08] <dud> it gives a layer of complexity thats unneeded encryptio
[07:08] <membreya> hmmm maybe I should configure kernel by hand to remove all these stupid drivers..honestly who uses isdn anymore!
[07:08] <dud> also, it makes your graphics display inadvertively dependent on networking
[07:08] <cybane> if ya can;t get cable
[07:09] <bretzel> tritium: what is buntu-desktop : meta pkg I guess but attaches what pkg ?
[07:09] <dud> i wouldnt be surprised if something like SNAP will take over for X
[07:09] <Pelle_> dud, whats SNAP?
[07:09] <tritium> Speaking of quartz, etc., I love how keynote uses PDF.
[07:09] <tritium> membreya, :)
[07:09] <tritium> bretzel, yeah, meta-package.
[07:09] <dud> bretzel, apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <SpinalTapp> hello all
[07:10] <encryptio> damnit
[07:10] <encryptio> wrong window
[07:11] <dud> Pelle_, http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/ athena OS uses snap :)
[07:11] <dud> supposedly very good... but the lisense is a bit iffy I think
[07:11] <SpinalTapp> is there a DBscript editor in Ubuntu?
[07:11] <SpinalTapp> i know there's a C/C++ and Python editor...
[07:11] <tritium> membreya, wake up!
[07:12] <Pelle_> dud, its propietary, right?
[07:12] <dud> Pelle_, not athene OS... but snap might be
[07:12] <dud> but the concept is absolutely brilliant
[07:13] <membreya> whatchu want tritium ?: P
[07:13] <tritium> membreya, heh.  Just giving you a hard time. :)
[07:13] <tritium> Like you always do me
[07:13] <bretzel> sh*&^%$T now totem could not open resource for writting!!!
[07:13] <membreya> hmmm should I configure my kernel  by hand to make sure the ide drivers are loaded? or do a default compile and see how it goes?
[07:13] <SpinalTapp> anyone?
[07:14] <tritium> bretzel, did you install esound?  is it running?
[07:14] <CarlK> membreya - why would you compile if you are going with the defaults?
[07:14] <membreya> CarlK: cos I'm stupid? :P
[07:14] <tritium> Hey CarlK how's the bongo drum loop?
[07:14] <bretzel> how  to make esound running ?
[07:14] <CarlK> tritium - still looping
[07:14] <bretzel> esound is installed
[07:15] <rubixXx> what package is zlib in
[07:15] <CarlK> tritium - the option my gf turned off was exactly what you showed me ;)
[07:15] <cybane> Why is it that the /etc/profile file has PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/mysql/bin" but when I echo $PATH I only get /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[07:15] <tritium> CarlK, nice :)
[07:15] <bretzel> rebooting ...
[07:16] <cybane> I did reboot
[07:16] <cybane> might as well do it again
[07:16] <membreya> will compile by hand when I wakeup :)
[07:16] <membreya> well tomorrow nite
[07:17] <CarlK> yeah... so there are really 3 problems: aplay anything.wav loops, speaker-test sounds like crap then errors, and xmms wont play even when I adjust the "idiot plugin"
[07:19] <cybane> I did a shutdown then powered up again and it is still not in the PATH when i echo $PATH
[07:19] <CarlK> tritium - what was extra funny: gf shows me the dialog that configures gdm.conf, there is a "test" button or someting that plays the selected .wav.  so bongos are playing, hit "test" and now 2 sets of bongos are playing (not in sync)
[07:19] <dud> have you tried submitting a bug report CarlK?
[07:19] <penta> is there anyway i can move from debian to ubuntu??
[07:19] <tritium> cybane, your account was probably set up before the changes to the default profile
[07:19] <CarlK> so she hit it 10 more times and it sounded like a buch of kids going nuts
[07:19] <dud> cybane, you dont have to reboot, only login again... not reboot
[07:20] <dud> but anyhow, add it in /etc/bash.bashrc as I said
[07:20] <dud> if you are running bash as you shell
[07:20] <cybane> okay where is my profile located?
[07:20] <tritium> CarlK, that's hilarious :)
[07:21] <dud> anyway, I'll do an early night now
[07:21] <dud> cheers, folks :)
[07:21] <CarlK> i don't really have much to go on for bug report
[07:21] <tritium> cybane, your personal profile is in ~/.bash_profile
[07:21] <apokryphos> Will .deb packages necessarily work on Ubuntu?
[07:22] <apokryphos> I see the repos are missing qt-devel
[07:22] <CarlK> "I did some stuff, not that much, more more than nothing, and now I have a problem..."
[07:22] <CarlK> the real plan is to zap the box and install hoary
[07:22] <bretzel> ah! at last Totem plays DVD... now listening Dune ( Frank Herbert's sci-fi channel adaptation) 8-)
[07:23] <tritium> apokryphos, libqt3-dev in Warty or Hoary main is not what you want?
[07:24] <bretzel> even after hdparm -d1, it is still a bit laggy ....
[07:24] <tritium> apokryphos, did you apt-cache search qt | grep dev ?
[07:25] <apokryphos> tritium: Hm, interesting. Title must have originally put me off. I'll see if libqt3-mt-dev will do it
[07:26] <tritium> okay
[07:26] <tritium> I'll be back later.
[07:26] <apokryphos> thanks
[07:30] <bretzel> Oh my!!! Just installed XINE and co, and playing DVD with it is FAR-FAR much better than totem stuff !
[07:31] <bretzel> No lag, fluid like on DVD reader on my movie theater...
[07:32] <bretzel> and even with xcompmgr running!
[07:33] <Goshawk> how to burn an audio cd from a list of mp3s?
[07:33] <zenrox> Goshawk, k3b
[07:33] <Goshawk> zenrox, in kde world
[07:33] <zenrox> its as close as you can get to nero
[07:34] <Goshawk> but in gnome one?
[07:34] <zenrox> it will run in gnome (if you install some kde stuff
[07:34] <nico2012> hi all =)
[07:35] <Lano> hi Al
[07:35] <zenrox> hello 2 bolth of ya
[07:36] <zenrox> and welcome to the world of ubuntu linux
[07:36] <Lano> thanks
[07:37] <nico2012> thanks a lot :D
[07:37] <kengur> hi
[07:37] <zenrox> Lano,  how you likeen it so far
[07:37] <zenrox> heloo kengur
[07:37] <kengur> how do i add a disk to gnome vfs? so i get a desktop icon and entry in open dialog?
[07:38] <zenrox> kengur, like a cdrom
[07:38] <Lano> good support, apt-get works fine, when I'm gonna fix my isa sound card, it will work like charm:)
[07:38] <zenrox> Lano, wots your isa sound card
[07:38] <Lano> awe64
[07:39] <zenrox> lano do a sudo modprobe sb
[07:39] <nico2012> personnaly, i've got some trouble with sound
[07:39] <zenrox> then try to play a sound to make shure the sound works
[07:39] <Lano> just that?:)
[07:40] <Lano> thanks
[07:40] <nico2012> or more precisely with all the multimedia stuff, ogg and avi for example can't be played
[07:40] <Lano> I was thinking to check alsa settings
[07:40] <Lano> but...that is easier:)
[07:40] <zenrox> Lano,  isa sound cards are not pnp
[07:40] <kengur> zenrox, yes partition mounted at /windows
[07:41] <Lano> I will try...in about one hour
[07:41] <jeddy3> if i have added repositories and apt-get gets confused and uses a version from the wrong repository, can i force it towards the other?
[07:41] <zenrox> kengur,  i would mount the partion and put a link on the desktop for it
[07:41] <Lano> I came here just of curiosity:)...you ppl are just simply good:)
[07:41] <zenrox> thx i am flatterd
[07:42] <jeddy3> (the programs are different versionnumber also, by the way)
[07:42] <zenrox> kengur, also too www.ubuntuguide.org will help you in mounting a windows partion
[07:43] <Sav> Can anyone suggest a good Direct Connect client for me to use?
[07:43] <zenrox> gtkgnutella
[07:43] <Lano> amule
[07:43] <zenrox> no sorre
[07:44] <zenrox> wrong p2p network
[07:44] <Lano> sorry
[07:44] <Lano> ya
[07:44] <Sav> =)
[07:44] <Goshawk> Sav, why use direct connect when there is a beautiful protocol as gnutella?
[07:44] <kengur> zenrox, no there's some way for gnome to make virtual drive or something
[07:45] <apokryphos> Sav: Go for gnutella, imo. Limewire is great.
[07:45] <Sav> Goshawk, just cause im used to it, works great with 10/10mbit and 100+gb share =)
[07:45] <Goshawk> zenrox, about burning cd... gnome has his utility: gtoaster and it is community mainteined
[07:45] <kengur> one time i got it working automatically after setup complete, the other i didn't, weird
[07:46] <Goshawk> Sav, so use dc and dc-gui
[07:46] <Goshawk> but i still prefer gnutella
[07:46] <zenrox> Goshawk, also too gnomebaker
[07:46] <tritium> also, graveman
[07:47] <zenrox> kengur, i have that same prob with my 6 in 1 memory card reader
[07:48] <Goshawk> zenrox, it was to responce you about k3b stuff
[07:49] <zenrox> Goshawk, but gtoaster ant as good  k3b
[07:49] <zenrox> and i only like to use gnome
[07:50] <Goshawk> zenrox, me too.. so i don't wanna use k3b
[07:50] <kengur> KDE is windows like, yuk
[07:50] <kent> graveman 0.3.8 is working very well on my machine. It automaticly finds CDs etc, and can do dvd/cd.
[07:50] <Goshawk> but why there is not any entry about htat in the ubuntuguide?
[07:50] <tritium> kent, works well for me too
[07:50] <zenrox> i have it casue none of the others dont do what i want them to do
[07:50] <Goshawk> kent, i'm just installing it
[07:51] <Goshawk> or maybe set graveman as a default package
[07:51] <cybane> Does anyone have an idea what could over write my PATH?
[07:52] <spiral> Lano: what are you doing with CTCP version ?
[07:52] <Goshawk> Lano, are you versioning me?
[07:52] <zenrox> ya what
[07:52] <Lano> all channel
[07:52] <cybane> I have looked in the following files ~/.bash_profile ~/.bashrc and there is nothing in them with PATH= that is not commented out
[07:52] <spiral> Goshawk: I'm not alone :-p
[07:52] <spiral> Lano: why are you doing this ?
[07:53] <Goshawk> but why there is not any entry about that in the ubuntuguide?
[07:53] <Goshawk> (graveman stuff)
[07:53] <Lano> becouse I'm courious what irc clients are you using
[07:53] <Lano> no harm ment
[07:53] <zenrox> Goshawk,  e-mail the guy and ask for it to be added
[07:53] <spiral> Lano: I suppose my CTCP answer helped you a lot ? :-p
[07:53] <Goshawk> zenrox, gonan do it
[07:54] <zenrox> lol
[07:54] <Lano> sorry about that
[07:54] <Goshawk> mailing the ubuntu-devel list
[07:54] <Lano> wont happend again
[07:54] <spiral> Lano: :-)
[07:54] <bretzel> ...And how to sound-juicer to show which codecs ( wave, ogg, mp3 ) ouput files to choose ? I can't see those choices in the preferences ...
[07:54] <zenrox> Goshawk, use the ubuntu-users list
[07:55] <Goshawk> zenrox, why ? it is not a *configuring* problem... it is a mail that ask to add grameman as default in hoary
[07:56] <cocol> is it possible to install gnome2.10 inhoary?
[07:56] <zenrox> Goshawk, ubuntu-devel is about the changes thay have made in hoary
[07:56] <zenrox> Goshawk,  and changes to the code
[07:57] <encryptio> FRUCK
[07:57] <encryptio> i need to learn to use these splits
[07:57] <thundrcleeze> is there a better general video player than Totem?  I can't get totem to play anything.
[07:57] <encryptio> thundrcleeze: try xine or vlc
[07:57] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, gxine
[07:57] <mjr> totem works in practice better with the xine backend (totem-xine)
[07:58] <thundrcleeze> mjr, when I try to apt-get it, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:58] <bretzel> xine rocks on my system  - I was just crying about totem .... xine plays DVD movies so well
[07:59] <bretzel> thundr..: go-ahead!
[07:59] <tritium> bretzel, you probably have totem-gstreamer rather than totem-xine installed
[07:59] <Goshawk> kent, any suggestion to make graveman capable of get mp3s?
[07:59] <Ruffian|Q|> Lano - who are you?
[08:00] <bretzel> tritium: you're right: I said earlier that I 've installed xine and removed polyaudio stuff and re-installed esound and everything works so well now :-)
[08:00] <Lano> just a new ubuntu user
[08:00] <Lano> why?
[08:01] <snowblink> what is the best way to determine which package a file belongs to?
[08:01] <tritium> snowblink, dpkg -S file
[08:01] <snowblink> tritium: cheers. :)
[08:01] <bretzel> but I have another prob: I can't get sound-juicer to let me choose audio output codec: wave or ogg or mp3 etc ...)
[08:02] <bretzel> .. I mean when I want to rip a music cd
[08:03] <bretzel> it creates only .flac file...
[08:04] <tritium> bretzel, you must be using the Lossless profile
[08:05] <datadevil> hi
[08:05] <bretzel> tritium: any profile don't change it
[08:05] <tritium> interesting
[08:05] <Goshawk> how to add an mp3 file on graveman ? it doens't recognise my mp3 (need a lib?)
[08:06] <datadevil> is it possible to update ubuntu to unstable with apt
[08:06] <bretzel> then, can I change or create a profile for sound-juicer ?
[08:07] <bretzel> that's it  - went to the help and I have no "ouput format" in the prefs ... strange!
[08:07] <GammaRay> datadevil: yes edit /etc/apt/sources.lst. change warty to hoary
[08:08] <datadevil> ok..thanks
[08:09] <bretzel> ok it depends on gstreamer stuff... going to snynaptic to see what I am missing....
[08:09] <Goshawk> bretzel, are you talking with me?
[08:10] <AngryClip> how do I stop the "Do you want to run "filename", or display it's contents" that keeps popping up in gnome when I double click a file
[08:11] <bretzel> Goshawk: ??? :-X -- not really, to anyone who can help me to have ouput format choices in sound-juicer
[08:11] <bretzel> I do have lots of gstreamer plugs!! and sound-juicer is screwed then ...
[08:13] <kent> the profiles in sound-juicer is very stupid. I want to use ogg, and it realy dont tell me which of the profiles is ogg. I can guess which one, but it something i realy should not be needed to do.  People should complain to the person behind that design!
[08:14] <topyli> hrmpf. i had this great project for adding shell highligting to gedit. now i find it's already in CVS, and probably coming to 2.10 :)
[08:15] <tritium> bretzel, did you try running gnome-audio-profiles-properties ?
[08:15] <Echylo> any method to speed up firefox?
[08:15] <Echylo> or a faster browser :p
[08:15] <tritium> Echylo, disable ipv6
[08:15] <Echylo> how how how? :p
[08:16] <tritium> Echylo, one moment
[08:16] <topyli> Echylo: it's described somewhere in the wiki
[08:17] <Echylo> ow
[08:17] <bretzel> gnome-audio-profile crahes!! unknown widget class 'GMAudioProfileEdit'
[08:17] <topyli> Echylo: i know, that's not too precise advice :)
[08:17] <poningru> hey want to use something called the docker
[08:17] <poningru> http://icculus.org/openbox/2/docker/
[08:18] <poningru> any one have any experience with this thing
[08:18] <Echylo> yes
[08:18] <poningru> ?
[08:18] <Echylo> I'll search for it on wiki
[08:19] <Echylo> ok I won't :p
[08:19] <poningru> anyone?
[08:19] <poningru> cause I cant get it to start up
[08:21] <tritium> Echylo, "Tweaking" section in this: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9650
[08:24] <topyli> Echylo: it was not in the wiki after all but in the forums. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 . see point 8, "turn off ipv6"
[08:25] <WeirdAl> 'lo everyone
[08:25] <Echylo> key thanks both
[08:25] <tritium> np
[08:25] <neighborlee> hi al
[08:25] <WeirdAl> 'lo mmuller :-)
[08:25] <neighborlee> hey al!
[08:25] <neighborlee> ;-)
[08:25] <WeirdAl> hey lee
[08:25] <neighborlee> sorry couldn't resist
[08:26] <WeirdAl> Neither could I
[08:26] <neighborlee> married with children moment <G>
[08:26] <neighborlee> heh
[08:26] <WeirdAl> So um
[08:26] <WeirdAl> Can anyone tell me how to turn of this thing it's doing to my fonts?
[08:26] <WeirdAl> off
[08:26] <jacquesmerde> what are the minimum specs for ubuntu? i dont seem to be able to find that info on their site
[08:26] <neighborlee> need more specifics
[08:26] <Medrakil> hi guys, i'm trying to install ubuntu but when i boot up the CS it says "ISOLINUX 2.04 2003-04-16 isolinux: Disk error 01, AX = 42CC,9F" and then it just hangs... anyone ran into that?
[08:26] <WeirdAl> The thing that I would call ClearType if it were Windows.
[08:26] <anTiX> I ran into some dependency problems trying to install freenx. I'm kinda lost.. any hints? I'm using warty and tried what's on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968
[08:26] <tritium> WeirdAl, anti-aliasing?
[08:26] <mmuller> WeirdAl, whats up tonight m8
[08:27] <WeirdAl> yeah that one
[08:27] <WeirdAl> I don't like it.
[08:27] <jacquesmerde> what are the minimum specs for ubuntu? i dont seem to be able to find that info on their site
[08:27] <WeirdAl> hey M
[08:27] <WeirdAl> I got it working finally.
[08:27] <tritium> WeirdAl, go to Preferences->Font and change it
[08:27] <Echylo> lol
[08:27] <mmuller> fonts -> then change to monochrome
[08:27] <Echylo> fast as the wind
[08:27] <Echylo> lovely
[08:27] <tritium> Echylo, :)
[08:27] <neighborlee> Echylo: smooth as silk
[08:27] <neighborlee> or as a babies butt
[08:28] <Medrakil> jacquesmerde: i think it said they recommend a P4 and 256-512MB of RAM, at least for the gnome and oo.org parts
[08:28] <Echylo> lol
[08:28] <WeirdAl> That's better :-)
[08:28] <NermalLaptop> WeirdAl, subpixel rendering ?
[08:28] <WeirdAl> Yeah, that. Gone now.
[08:28] <NermalLaptop> ah
[08:28] <WeirdAl> Yay
[08:28] <WeirdAl> Now all I need is a font I like
[08:29] <flosch> hi
[08:29] <neighborlee> hi flosch
[08:29] <Medrakil> i'm trying to install ubuntu but when i boot up the CS it says "ISOLINUX 2.04 2003-04-16 isolinux: Disk error 01, AX = 42CC,9F" and then it just hangs... anyone ran into that? I tried burning another CD but i keep having the same problem...
[08:30] <neighborlee> Medrakil: how and what did you install
[08:31] <WeirdAl> This font is like Verdana \o/
[08:31] <anTiX> Medrakil, bad image? checksum ok?
[08:31] <Medrakil> neighborlee: i haven't done anything yet, i just burned the CD, stuck it in the drive and booted up, and that's all i get...
[08:31] <WeirdAl> Can anyone recommend a Bittorrent app?
[08:31] <Medrakil> anTiX: no i checked the MD5
[08:31] <neighborlee> Medrakil: ah
[08:32] <anTiX> Medrakil, ok strange
[08:32] <neighborlee> Medrakil: yeah sounds like a bad burn..as the other gent says make sure your md5sum IS okay
[08:32] <neighborlee> bad burn/bad media
[08:32] <Medrakil> neighborlee: it is, and i burned it twice o_O
[08:32] <Meq> WeirdAl: azureus.sf.net
[08:32] <trigx300> hi does anyone know if tis possible to install rpms on ubuntu
[08:32] <WeirdAl> thx meq
[08:32] <anTiX> Medrakil, burn something else and see how that turns out?
[08:32] <Medrakil> neighborlee: i could always try again though.. at a lower speed or something...
[08:33] <neighborlee> trigx300 : it is usuallly yes..use: alien
[08:33] <Medrakil> anTiX: i did a few days ago.. went just fine
[08:33] <Meq> WeirdAl: np
[08:33] <NetGeek> trigx300, alien rpmname.rpm and install the created deb package
[08:33] <WeirdAl> oh yeah, Azureus is Java!
[08:33] <snowblink> jacquesmerde: according to the CD: 32MB RAM, 350MB drive for minimal, 1.8GB for desktop
[08:33] <trigx300> ok thanks
[08:33] <anTiX> Medrakil, hardware is bound to fail sometime.. my old plextor gave in twice..
[08:33] <jacquesmerde> thx snow
[08:33] <KonvIRC> hi everybody
[08:34] <WeirdAl> lo
[08:34] <neighborlee> hi KonvIRC
[08:34] <nayfnu> Hello there
[08:34] <WeirdAl> How do I find out if I have JAva on here
[08:34] <WeirdAl> In fact, instead of that question...
[08:34] <Medrakil> anTiX: Well, I'll try once more at 8x then
[08:34] <Echylo> WeirdAl, when you need it you'll notice
[08:34] <Echylo> ;)
[08:34] <WeirdAl> What package do I need to have apt-get looking for to do it automatically?
[08:34] <KonvIRC> can someone tell me more about ubuntu x64 (perfomance facing to others distro ...)
[08:34] <NetGeek> WeirdAl: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:34] <kimi_> hi
[08:34] <nayfnu> Type java? :)
[08:35] <tritium> WeirdAl, use java-package to build your own .deb
[08:35] <WeirdAl> (sorry for being a complete noob)
[08:35] <KonvIRC> nobody ?
[08:35] <neighborlee> WeirdAl: not a problem..we all start there ;-=))
[08:35] <kimi_> can somebody tell me how to add a module to load at start in ubuntu woth kernel 2.6.8?
[08:35] <anTiX> Medrakil, ok. and it went by air sweden<->belgium. plextor can't have gotten any profit from that one.. :)
[08:35] <tritium> kimi_, add it to /etc/modules
[08:36] <kimi_> ok, thanks, i'll try
[08:36] <neighborlee> bb l8r peeps I just burned successfullly and now must install this lovely...cheers <<<
[08:39] <NetGeek> what is a good dvd ripper for ubuntu
[08:39] <NermalLaptop> acidrip ?
[08:40] <WeirdAl> Ooh I have a good one for you all _
[08:40] <WeirdAl> I'm on a laptop, right.
[08:40] <WeirdAl> There are only 1024 pixels across on the screen
[08:40] <robodex> has anyone gotten kqemu to work in ubuntu? I'm a complete n00b and I can't get it running... :\
[08:40] <WeirdAl> So how come Ubuntu is hanging off the right-hand edge?
[08:40] <tritium> robodex, what about plain qemu?
[08:41] <NermalLaptop> wrong hsync freq?
[08:41] <robodex> tritium: this is only a 667; the acceleration provided by kqemu will make it usable :p
[08:41] <nayfnu> WeirdAl: You have some virtual desktop action going on there, my friend
[08:41] <WeirdAl> What's that in noob language?
[08:41] <WeirdAl> Oh right?
[08:41] <robodex> otherwise it'll be quite slow indeed
[08:41] <nayfnu> Ubuntu's decided your screen isn't big enough, so it's giving you more space off the edges
[08:42] <WeirdAl> ah.
[08:42] <WeirdAl> It's wrong.
[08:42] <WeirdAl> :-)
[08:42] <nayfnu> True :)
[08:42] <WeirdAl> can I tell it this?
[08:42] <nayfnu> Are you sure you've got the resolution set properly?
[08:42] <WeirdAl> <assumes so>
[08:42] <WeirdAl> I'll have another check
[08:42] <tritium> robodex, what about building the latest qemu from CVS?  It has the accelerator module
[08:43] <WeirdAl> Computer says yes
[08:43] <WeirdAl> 1024x768 it says
[08:43] <WeirdAl> 60Hz
[08:43] <nayfnu> Well, you might try fiddling with the refresh rate and see if that helps
[08:43] <nayfnu> Ubuntu's decided that your screen can't cope with 1024x768
[08:43] <Medrakil> anTiX: gaaah, same problem again w/ the third disc
[08:43] <WeirdAl> OK
[08:43] <Nermal> or change the hsync frequencies
[08:44] <nayfnu> Yeah, that's what I did :)
[08:44] <WeirdAl> First things first...
[08:44] <Nermal> Medrakil, ?
[08:44] <Medrakil> Nermal: i'm trying to install ubuntu but when i boot up the CS it says "ISOLINUX 2.04 2003-04-16 isolinux: Disk error 01, AX = 42CC,9F" and then it just hangs... anyone ran into that? I tried burning another CD but i keep having the same problem...
[08:44] <Nermal> eep
[08:44] <WeirdAl> Is there an oh-crap button to press when I screw the display up?
[08:44] <Nermal> :|
[08:44] <Nermal> WeirdAl, power button ? :)
[08:44] <AngryClip> anyone know how to add another city to the weather report panel in gnome?
[08:44] <Medrakil> i cant even get an installer going :/
[08:44] <WeirdAl> :-
[08:44] <WeirdAl> :-)
[08:44] <nayfnu> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace gets you out of X
[08:44] <WeirdAl> 'k
[08:45] <Nermal> AngryClip, I think you need two weather applets
[08:45] <nayfnu> But that's a last resort, really :)
[08:45] <WeirdAl> Not knowing how to change it without the GUI, that won't help.
[08:45] <robodex> tritium: I did that; but I'm not sure what to do after that. modprobing it doesn't work, so I'm sure I'm missing something after compilation
[08:45] <Nermal> vi /etc/X11/xorg.con
[08:45] <nayfnu> WeirdAl: What type of graphics card do you have?
[08:45] <WeirdAl> Will there be a do-you-want-to-keep-these-settings box so I can press escape and get it back?
[08:45] <Nermal> s/con/conf/
[08:45] <nayfnu> Yep
[08:45] <WeirdAl> Don't have a clue. Laptop.
[08:45] <anTiX> Medrakil, that sucks.. sorry I don't know what it could be.. try booting with the discs on another computer
[08:46] <AngryClip> Nermal: I mean add a new city to it via international city cod or something like that
[08:46] <WeirdAl> OK... escape it is!
[08:46] <Nermal> AngryClip, ah... um... not sure
[08:46] <AngryClip> can't seem any options for adding anywhere
[08:46] <Medrakil> anTiX: well i guess i could try that.. if the discs are fine one the other comp what could be wrong then? i tried 3 differend CDROMs :P
[08:46] <WeirdAl> After all that I can't even change the refresh rate
[08:46] <WeirdAl> Let's go for the hsync option
[08:46] <robodex> Medrakil: could be a dying/dead drive :\
[08:47] <anTiX> Medrakil, some hardware problem I would guess
[08:47] <Medrakil> robodex: i tried 3 different CD drives...
[08:47] <robodex> Medrakil: I mean possibly an hd problem
[08:47] <robodex> but I'm probably wrong
[08:47] <Medrakil> robodex: well the hd is damned old
[08:48] <WeirdAl> nermal, hwo do I change the hsync?
[08:48] <Medrakil> robodex: you just might be right about that..
[08:48] <nayfnu> Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:48] <tritium> robodex, I thought you were using this: http://kqemu.sourceforge.net/
[08:48] <WeirdAl> Man, I feel like such a lame-ass n00b when I spell "how" wrong
[08:48] <nayfnu> WeirdAl: You'll find a line with hsync values on it
[08:48] <nayfnu> Change it to something like 31.5-54.0
[08:48] <WeirdAl> Still listening :-)
[08:48] <WeirdAl> k ...
[08:49] <anTiX> anybody tried FreeNX on warty?
[08:49] <robodex> tritium: one of my friends set me the cvs, and I downloaded the kqemu module from the qemu page... It says it should work when I compile it, but I don't know what to do after that (as far as I can tell it's supposed to install the device but I don't know if that's what it does)
[08:49] <nayfnu> WeirdAl: Or higher if it's already set to that :)
[08:49] <tritium> robodex, I don't know.  I haven't played with it.
[08:49] <robodex> yeah, i'm talkinga bout the accelerator module not the kde gui :p
[08:49] <snowblink> WeirdAl: can you tell us what laptop you have?
[08:50] <robodex> well I'll google for it
[08:50] <anTiX> I just get: freenx: Depends: nxagent (>= 1.4.0-4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[08:50] <WeirdAl> I don't have a clue what it is
[08:50] <WeirdAl> My girlfriend got it second hand years ago.
[08:51] <WeirdAl> All I know is that it's a K6-2 500 and it's Time
[08:51] <no0tic> hi!
[08:51] <Lano> zenrox: thanks for help on sound...it works
[08:51] <nayfnu> Hi no0tic
[08:51] <no0tic> I noticed a weird behaviour of gnome-panel & xcompmgr
[08:52] <no0tic> some gnome-panel features stop working when I launch xcompmgr
[08:52] <trigx300> does anyone know a mirror that i can add to synaptic where i can find packeges like dvdrip transcode and their libs
[08:52] <WeirdAl> nayfnu, how do I reapply this config?
[08:53] <snowblink> WeirdAl: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:53] <zenrox> lano now you need to add sb to your modules file
[08:53] <WeirdAl> MAn, Firefox is pissing me off as well now
[08:53] <snowblink> WeirdAl: or CTRL+ALT+Backspace
[08:53] <WeirdAl> Buttons like "OK" and "Cancel" don't work.
[08:53] <zenrox> lano do sudo gedit /etc/modules
[08:53] <nayfnu> WeirdAl: What's up with FireBadger?
[08:53] <tritium> trigx300, ftp.nerim.net (See ubuntuguide)
[08:53] <Lano> ok
[08:53] <zenrox> and add the line sb
[08:53] <zenrox> then save it
[08:53] <nayfnu> WeirdAl: In what way don't work?
[08:53] <nayfnu> Greyed out?
[08:54] <WeirdAl> AS in, they don't do anything
[08:54] <nayfnu> Or just don't do anything?
[08:54] <WeirdAl> No
[08:54] <zenrox> so that way at a reeboot it will load it agine
[08:54] <nayfnu> I had this same problem, I believe
[08:54] <WeirdAl> This one's saying "This will close two tabs. Continue?"
[08:54] <WeirdAl> And it won't go away
[08:54] <nayfnu> I think I just reinstalled until it worked :)
[08:54] <WeirdAl> And the other one is a save file box
[08:54] <WeirdAl> :-S
[08:54] <Lano> zenrox: thanks again!
[08:54] <WeirdAl> I've been letting apt-get do all my insallings.
[08:54] <WeirdAl> anyway
[08:54] <zenrox> lano thats why i am here
[08:54] <WeirdAl> This bit first
[08:56] <trigx300> tritium - do you know a shell comand to add that mirror cuz with synaptic it doesn't add for some reason
[08:57] <HiddenWolf> How can I see again how long my pc has been turned on?
[08:57] <Meq> HiddenWolf: uptime
[08:57] <anTiX> HiddenWolf, w
[08:57] <nayfnu> WeirdAl: Any joy?
[08:58] <WeirdAl> Dunno yet
[08:58] <WeirdAl> It's restarting :-\
[08:58] <WeirdAl> I'm assuming that whatever caused it to fail to restart the display manager is also what causes it to fail to turn the screen on again when I open it up
[08:59] <nayfnu> :S
[08:59] <WeirdAl> Yeah that was going to be a later question :-)
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> How come uptime tells me there are three users?
[08:59] <WeirdAl> When I close it while it's switched on, I can't get the display back when I open it up again.
[08:59] <WeirdAl> Close the laptop lid I mean
[09:00] <nayfnu> There I can't help you, I'm afraid :)
[09:00] <nayfnu> I like my computers stationary.  Bolted to something, preferably
[09:00] <zenrox> nayfnu,  me too
[09:01] <zenrox> prevents thefs
[09:01] <no0tic> WeirdAl: try [Alt] +F7, probably it switches to another tty
[09:01] <WeirdAl> Yeah but they're so much louder
[09:01] <WeirdAl> k
[09:01] <tritium> trigx300, you can use an editor with sudo (e.g. sudo nanu /etc/apt/sources.list)
[09:01] <nayfnu> *And* you can't use them as an exciting new form of frisbee
[09:01] <no0tic> WeirdAl: here it does so
[09:01] <nayfnu> Perhaps I should reconsider
[09:01] <WeirdAl> Ah
[09:02] <WeirdAl> Alt-f7 didn't work, but ctrl-alt-f1 got me the consol
[09:02] <WeirdAl> e
[09:02] <HiddenWolf> nayfnu: I prefer my computers silent
[09:02] <WeirdAl> And alt-f7 got it back from there.
[09:02] <WeirdAl> HiddenWolf You won't get that with this laptop
[09:02] <WeirdAl> wow
[09:02] <WeirdAl> Invision does cool things
[09:02] <HiddenWolf> weirdal: Try watercooling that laptop
[09:02] <nayfnu> well, if we're being honest, I'd quite like my computers to have tape drives and make WWWwHhhheiriereicccrkrkrnnnnkkknnkkk noises when starting programs
[09:02] <nayfnu> But beggars can't be choosers
[09:03] <WeirdAl> You want me to buy water cooling for a 500MHz laptop that's not even mine?
[09:03] <HiddenWolf> weirdal: just a bucket will do
[09:03] <Nermal> lol
[09:03] <trigx300> ok thanks
[09:03] <WeirdAl> nayfnu so much for that
[09:03] <WeirdAl> The screen's in the same place anyway
[09:04] <WeirdAl> This laptop's going to be a server :-D
[09:04] <WeirdAl> Not going to be it very well, mind you.
[09:04] <WeirdAl> Oh, tell a lie... it's not either.
[09:04] <nayfnu> Well, perhaps you should just run at 800x600 and live with huge icons :)
[09:04] <sobralense> anybody using the latest gdesklets ?
[09:04] <WeirdAl> Maybe you should shut up:-)
[09:05] <WeirdAl> It's only a few pixels.I'll live
[09:05] <nayfnu> WeirdAl: *mwah*
[09:05] <sobralense> I think ubuntu .deb packs are a bit out dated..
[09:05] <zenrox> sobralense,  you using warty
[09:05] <tritium> crap, python-matplotlib depends on python2.3
[09:05] <WeirdAl> So nayfnu
[09:05] <nayfnu> Yes!
[09:05] <WeirdAl> How do I reinstall Firefox?
[09:05] <sobralense> zenrox, latest hoary ..
[09:05] <WeirdAl> Given that apt-get did it last time.
[09:06] <sobralense> zenrox, thats why I'm looking for the latest..
[09:06] <nayfnu> Download the installer from the firefox website?
[09:06] <zenrox> sobralense,  ok
[09:06] <nayfnu> Although I thinkit was apt-get that worked for me in the end
[09:06] <zenrox> sobralense,  i dont know i just use what thay have
[09:06] <nayfnu> Hmmm
[09:06] <sobralense> 'trying to compile by hand but getting some errors..
[09:06] <nayfnu> Anyway, I'm going to have to make like a shepherd and get the flock outta here
[09:06] <sobralense> zenrox, I saw debian repository and is out dated too..
[09:06] <sobralense> =/
[09:06] <WeirdAl> Ha ha ha
[09:06] <WeirdAl> :-|
[09:07] <zenrox> sobralense,  debianis outdated
[09:07] <WeirdAl> maybe I can apt-getagainanddoitbetter
[09:07] <nayfnu> Sorry for being utterly chuffing useless
[09:07] <sobralense> zenrox, but the "unstable" isnt .. or should'nt
[09:07] <nayfnu> I shall return!
[09:07] <nayfnu> Withi CAKE!
[09:07] <kh4nh_> hey guys, how's it goin'
[09:07] <Echylo> a good program to play movies?
[09:07] <Echylo> mplayer?
[09:07] <kh4nh_> anyone know where to get Acrobat Reader 7
[09:07] <Echylo> why you need?
[09:07] <shock> mplayer is best ever
[09:08] <Echylo> k
[09:08] <topyli> kh4nh_: from the marillat debian repository
[09:08] <sobralense> mplayer IS the multimedia =] 
[09:08] <Echylo> omg
[09:08] <sobralense> but mplayer I prefer compile by hand ..
[09:08] <Echylo> :)
 apt-get install xpdf
[09:08] <shock> :P
[09:08] <Echylo> what is the package for mplayer gui?
[09:08] <sobralense> gmplayer
[09:08] <Echylo> thankies
[09:09] <Echylo> omg 2 seconds ago I was mad @ someone cause he kept asking me things
[09:09] <Echylo> I actually do the same thing
[09:09] <topyli> actually, the mplayer packages have the gui, except the mplayer-nogui one (at least marillat's packages used to)
[09:09] <sobralense> I 'd like to say to mplayer deb maintainer that even k7/k6 packs (duron/athlon) only have MMX support.. =/  could add some 3dnow ..
[09:10] <zenrox> i like xine
[09:10] <shock> xine is kewl, too
[09:10] <sobralense> zenrox, you're gonna to hell when dies...
[09:10] <sobralense> =] 
[09:10] <shock> but mplayer is like essential
[09:10] <OrangeSlice> eww xine
[09:10] <kh4nh_> shock:thanks, i will dig it now, I have xpdf already but don't like it very much, acctually all linux pdf viewer sux
[09:10] <OrangeSlice> gstreamer > all
[09:10] <zenrox> sobralense,  lol
[09:11] <HiddenWolf> kh4nh_: gpdf is marginally better
[09:12] <Echylo> when I try to launch gmplayer
[09:12] <Echylo> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[09:12] <Echylo> Illegal instruction
[09:12] <topyli> Echylo: the ubuntu mplayer-custom package?
[09:12] <Echylo> yeh
[09:12] <topyli> same here
[09:13] <Echylo> so
[09:13] <Echylo> no one has solution?
[09:13] <Echylo> :p
[09:13] <topyli> fortunately i don't need the gui, mplayer is just for the browser plugin :)
[09:13] <Echylo> I need it
[09:13] <Echylo> to play my movie
[09:13] <topyli> no you don't :)
[09:13] <Echylo> yes :(
[09:13] <topyli> it does make it nicer though
[09:14] <Echylo> it won't start mplayer either
[09:14] <Echylo> from commandline
[09:14] <topyli> ah
[09:15] <topyli> i seem to have an old marillat mplayer-nogui here. it works
[09:15] <edulix> hi !
[09:15] <LeeColleton> I've upgraded to Hoary on a Sony Viao and X.org is now running at 640x480 instead of 800x600.  Help?
[09:16] <edulix> anyone in how to install mono 1.1.x last  version in warty?
[09:16] <edulix> and monodevelop, by the way :)
[09:17] <cybane> Does anyone know which files can modify the PATh variable.  The only one I have found with PATH= is /etc/profile
[09:18] <Echylo> anyone has solution the mplayer prob
 Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
 Illegal instruction
[09:18] <Nermal> easy way to install gaim smileys on ubuntu?
[09:18] <Nermal> Echylo, install the other mplayer packeges?
[09:19] <Echylo> I did
[09:19] <Nermal> the i586 ones from  ftp.nerim.net?
[09:20] <Echylo> seems the mplayer prob is ubuntu related
[09:20] <topyli> who knows, maybe the testing packages from marillat work again :)
[09:20] <topyli> you might as well try
[09:21] <topyli> where's a working mono repository for warty? i'd like to try a few apps
[09:23] <topyli> heh, much of mono seems to be in universe :)
[09:24] <dstevens> Hi all, im trying todo a netboot install, using dhcp tftp, PXE on the client could someone help me out, seems tftp maybe the problem.
[09:24] <sobralense> we're all in universe..
[09:25] <topyli> not mplayer for Echylo though :(
[09:25] <dstevens> Reading this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto Add the following as /etc/xinet.d/tftp mm this path does not exists ?
[09:26] <dstevens> Even /etc/xinet.d/ does not exists ? Should this be /etc/init.d/ ?
[09:26] <cybane> Anyone know why you have to add a line to .bashrc to change the PATH envrionmental variable when it should be done for all users in /etc/profile
[09:27] <Twiggy> Anybody know when dbus 0.23.1 will hit the hoary mirros?
[09:27] <topyli> thank $DEITY for debian source packages. how did i ever build anything when i used random distros?
[09:27] <dstevens> cybane user shell preferences ?
[09:27] <tritium> cybane, users can set their path to whatever they want
[09:28] <cybane> Well I wanted that all users didn't have to set it
[09:28] <tritium> they don't _have_ to
[09:28] <tritium> but they can
[09:28] <Echylo> - MPlayer crashed by an 'Illegal Instruction'.
[09:28] <Echylo>   It usually happens when you run it on a CPU different than the one it was
[09:28] <Echylo>   compiled/optimized for.
[09:28] <msh_> hello
[09:28] <Echylo> now wtfeck
[09:28] <dstevens> just ensure /etc/skel is how you want it as default.
[09:28] <msh_> Does anyone here use a logitech quickcam 400 with ubuntu linux?
[09:28] <msh_> 4000*
[09:29] <AngryClip> ubuntu is not letting me mount audio cd's
[09:29] <AngryClip> all over mounts fine
[09:29] <AngryClip> *other
[09:30] <apokryphos> Audio CDs aren't mounted
[09:30] <apokryphos> they're not filesystems
[09:30] <rel> I need help with gnome
[09:30] <AngryClip> oh I see
[09:30] <msh_> could anyoen help me apply the quickcam driver to my kernel?
[09:30] <spiral> hi back
[09:30] <dstevens> Could somebody help me out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto Is this right /etc/xinet.d/tftp as its does not exist.
[09:31] <tritium> woot!  My tv-tuner cards arrive.  Now I can start using mythtv
[09:31] <msh_> could anyoen help me apply the quickcam driver to my kernel?
[09:32] <dstevens> does anyone here use tftp ?
[09:33] <selinium_> Has anyone tried to move their Thunderbird files from Windows to Ubuntu?
[09:34] <Nermal> tritium, plural?
[09:35] <Nermal> dstevens, is that /etc/init.d/tftp ?
[09:35] <tritium> Nermal, yeah, I got 2.
[09:35] <stuNNed> selinium_: shouldn't be a problem to export your settings
[09:35] <stuNNed> selinium_: import, actually
[09:36] <dstevens> hi Nermal, it says /etc/xinet.d/tftp on the ubuntu site.
[09:36] <stuNNed> what is tftp?
[09:36] <dstevens> Trivial File Transfer Protocol
[09:36] <aleitner> what program is responsible for updating and constantly overwriting /etc/resolv.conf
[09:36] <aleitner> ?
[09:36] <tritium> resolvconf
[09:37] <stuNNed> dstevens: thanks
[09:37] <dstevens> Na probs mate.
[09:37] <WeirdAl> Can someone remind me where I was looking to get Java?
[09:37] <aleitner> tritium: i dont have resolvconf, nore gnome-system-tools or its backend installed. something still overwrites my /etc/resolv.conf...
[09:37] <jono> jdub: ping
[09:38] <Nermal> WeirdAl, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[09:38] <WeirdAl> cheers nerm
[09:38] <aeolist> haha
[09:38] <selinium_> stuNNed: I am on Windows at the mo... I followed the instructions, created a new profile in THunderbird (Linux) and copied the files from the old one into it. it tries to start and say it is doing stuff? and not to try and download new messages, but that is as far as it goes?
[09:38] <Nermal> alainm, dhclient ?
[09:38] <tritium> WeirdAl, use java-package
[09:38] <WeirdAl> o/ even better
[09:39] <tritium> WeirdAl, you build your own java .deb with that after downloading jre from java.sun.com
[09:39] <tritium> Nice thing about it is that it's under package management
[09:39] <Casquapointer> http://www.xconcept.c.la/
[09:39] <WeirdAl> :-O
[09:39] <WeirdAl> Build my own eh?
[09:39] <tritium> yes
[09:39] <dstevens> I Still do not understand http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto  Enable the tftpd server. Add the following as /etc/xinet.d/tftp.  Directory or file does not exists, mmmhhhheeerrrr.
[09:39] <WeirdAl> Sounds like something else to learn about.
[09:39] <sewoyl> hi!
[09:39] <tritium> WeirdAl, you're on Warty?
[09:39] <aleitner> should one install resolvconf on an ubuntu hoary system? is it recommended? because i dont think it got installed by default...
[09:40] <Nermal> dstevens, and you tried what I said
[09:40] <Nermal> oh..
[09:40] <WeirdAl> I am yes
[09:40] <Nermal> dstevens, well .. create that file
[09:40] <Nermal> that's what it's saying to do
[09:40] <tritium> WeirdAl, hmm, you'll have to grab java-package from Hoary to use it
[09:40] <sewoyl> my friend installed ubuntu as a second linux distro, and skipped the grub installation. How can we figure out the exact path to the kernel to configure the existing grub ?
[09:40] <Nermal> create that file and add the stuff below I presume
[09:40] <tritium> WeirdAl, and it depends on fakeroot and debhelper
[09:40] <dstevens> Create file in /etc/init.d should this be a shell script ? not sure
[09:41] <WeirdAl> Man
[09:41] <WeirdAl> People wonder why people choose Windows.
[09:41] <WeirdAl> There, it's download, run, done.
[09:41] <Nermal> WeirdAl, they don't chose anything
[09:41] <tritium> WeirdAl, it's not the only way, but it's nice to have the .deb
[09:41] <WeirdAl> Can I have the easy way? :-)
[09:41] <Nermal> dstevens, ffs
[09:42] <Nermal> create the file where they tell you to
[09:42] <WeirdAl> I just got java-package.
[09:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, then it's not going to be hard
[09:42] <rbo3db> Hello! Yesterday I put Ubuntu in my machine, and booted in ok. Today I get a message after the kernel starts, "ext3: no journal on filesyste on hda7; pivot_root: no such file or directory; etc...". hda7 is where my /boot is, formatted as ext2 during installation. Can anyone help?
[09:42] <WeirdAl> canI do anything with it as is or am I going to need to change more stuff?
[09:42] <zenrox> WeirdAl,  you want www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, did you dpkg -i java-package
[09:42] <tritium> with the full package name?
[09:42] <dstevens> FFS your self mate, V, the directory does not exits, and the documentation is weird.
[09:43] <Nermal> rbo3db, you can make it ext3 by doing tune2fs -j /dev/hda7
[09:43] <Nermal> without losing any data
[09:43] <WeirdAl> Nope. Let's try that.
[09:43] <Nermal> dstevens, make the directory?
[09:43] <Nermal> *shocker*
[09:43] <WeirdAl> That didn't work.
[09:43] <Nermal> get a cd :)
[09:44] <WeirdAl> \o/
[09:44] <WeirdAl> /o\
[09:44] <tritium> WeirdAl, dpkg -i followed by the .deb full name
[09:44] <WeirdAl> Sorry mate, I'm more noob than that. :-S
[09:44] <WeirdAl> Can we start again? :-D
[09:44] <barbari> i can help u ?
[09:45] <rbo3db> Nermal: should i do turne2fs from another distribution?
[09:45] <barbari> i have ubunto debian !!!!!!! fuck u
[09:46] <Nermal> rbo3db, well no .. apt-get install tune2f
[09:46] <Nermal> tune2fs*
[09:46] <WeirdAl> barbari, how about learning to spell ubuntu debian first?
[09:46] <tritium> WeirdAl, see Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java/view?searchterm=java%20package
[09:46] <WeirdAl> do it
[09:46] <barbari> i can install the KDE whith "apt-install kde" ?
[09:46] <WeirdAl> thanks tritium
[09:46] <barbari> i can install the KDE whith "apt-install kde" ?
[09:46] <chado> brand new ubuntu install cd, and it fails at 82%
[09:46] <tritium> WeirdAl, sure.
[09:47] <universal> does someone have cedega ?
[09:47] <rbo3db> Nermal: *tune2fs sure.. the problem is i can't boot... it stops at that messg
[09:47] <Nermal> oh
[09:47] <Nermal> odd...
[09:47] <WeirdAl> tritium, what's the benefit of having the deb?
[09:47] <Riddell> barbari: you can use apt-get install kde  but that's a log of programmes, try  apt-get install kde-core
[09:47] <selinium_> chado: i had that problem and kept running the disk till it worked!
[09:47] <Nermal> um.. thats a different error then.. whats the pivotable stuff?
[09:47] <tritium> WeirdAl, it's under apt's control
[09:47] <WeirdAl> Ah, so easy update?
[09:47] <Nermal> barbari, stop repeating yourself
[09:47] <WeirdAl> And, indeed, remove
[09:48] <tritium> WeirdAl, all the benefits
[09:48] <WeirdAl> cool
[09:48] <Nermal> aye. .wiki is good
[09:48] <barbari> i do it whitout "core" now it is install it, that is not worrking ?
[09:48] <aeolist> can i use the ftp.nerim.net repositories with hoary?
[09:48] <tritium> WeirdAl, using version 0.19 from Hoary allows you to not have to edit that file the wiki talks about
[09:48] <rbo3db> Nermal: sorry, don't know what you mean... am not a technician...
[09:48] <Nermal> barbari, english only please
[09:49] <sewoyl> has anyone an idea about my issue ? or what about installing grub on the ubuntu partition (without reinstalling the whole thing) ?
[09:49] <Nermal> rbo3db, you said there was an error about pivot something ?
[09:49] <netmonk> can I add array 4 as source synaptic and update from there?
[09:49] <Nermal> sewoyl, umm.. it will be under /boot/vmlinuz probably
[09:49] <Nermal> or just /vmlinuz
[09:50] <Nermal> so (hd0,0)/vmlinuz
[09:50] <Nermal> or whatever partition it's on
[09:50] <sewoyl> hmm ok!
[09:50] <Nermal> aeolist, think so.. I do
[09:50] <tritium> WeirdAl, ready?
[09:50] <sewoyl> Nermal, thanks!
[09:50] <trygve> Hi, what is tcl-dev called in Ubuntu?
[09:50] <maxxist> quick question.  is there pretty good SMP support in hoary?
[09:51] <stuNNed> trygve: apt-cache search tcl
[09:51] <Nermal> sewoyl, root            (hd0,0)
[09:51] <Nermal> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-4-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=791 quiet splash
[09:51] <stuNNed> maxxist: what is SMP?
[09:51] <Nermal> is what I havwe
[09:51] <maxxist> multi processor support.
[09:51] <trygve> tcl = hyperthreading or multiple processors
[09:51] <monkey89> symmetric  multi-processing
[09:51] <Nermal> so your talking (hd0,0)/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-4-386
[09:51] <WeirdAl> Sorry tritium... doing a hundred things at once :-)
[09:51] <rbo3db> Nermal: pivot_root: no such file or directory... /sbin/init: : cannot open dev/console: no such file... kernel panic: attempted to kill init... and stops here
[09:51] <trygve> stuNNed: Thanks :)
[09:51] <aeolist> nermal, do i have to get the gpg files somewhere/
[09:52] <stuNNed> trygve: :)
[09:52] <Nermal> aeolist, umm. can do.. or ignore the warnings :)
[09:53] <Nermal> sewoyl, but /vmlinuz symlinks to the current kernel image
[09:53] <Nermal> rbo3db, ouch :(
[09:53] <dstevens> The PXE Netboot has failed again PXE-53: No boot filename received, im really not sure if im doing this right or wrong way, dir and file created..
[09:53] <maxxist> I am running FC right now on a dual p3 733.  its old hardware I know.  I have seen ubuntu in action and want to take the plunge.  warty seemed quick and lite.
[09:53] <Nermal> doesn't sound good :|
[09:53] <trygve> What about libSDL?
[09:53] <trygve> I can only find a lot of weird 1.2debian packages...
[09:53] <trygve> Which doesn't work ;)
[09:53] <monkey89> does ubuntu automatically send out new cds for each release?
[09:54] <stuNNed> monkey89: will for next release, FREE! :D
[09:54] <trygve> it isn't that old ;) How much ram does it have?
[09:54] <error_29> help!  can't dual boot into windows -- getting "file system type uknown" and "disk write error" on grub boot.  Ubuntu boots fine.
[09:55] <maxxist> btw is hoary done now?  or is the above links for preliminary versions?
[09:55] <dstevens> On the Netboot Info its says "Enable the tftpd server" how would you go about starting the tftpd ?
[09:55] <monkey89> stuNNed, cool, I just got my warty CDs and I would love a fresh set for hoary when it comes out
[09:55] <monkey89> i think its so cool
[09:55] <rbo3db> Nermal: shouldn't i just reinstall it?.. the installation doesn't have a separate partition for /home... should i add one?
[09:55] <WeirdAl> When I did apt-get install build-essential I got loads of lines of the ilk "W: couldn't stat source package list <foo>"
[09:55] <Nermal> rbo3db, umm.. that shouldn't matter this early on
[09:55] <robodex> hmm. Is hoary worth upgrading to atm or should I wait until the final release in april?
[09:56] <maxxist> nevermind my question.  just got answered
[09:56] <trygve> I am running it right now as my main system, and there is nearly no visible bugs
[09:56] <stuNNed> monkey89: handed like 50 out, have one x86 left, one ppc, and afaik some 64bit ones
[09:56] <monkey89> only got two :P
[09:56] <robodex> I got 1 ;)
[09:57] <rbo3db> Nermal: maybe, it's important that the grub is from an earlier and still running fedora installation?
[09:57] <jbm__> i just download mine
[09:57] <robodex> none of my friends use linux nor want to :p
[09:57] <kh4nh_> shock:i coundn't find Acobat Reader 7 at marillat repository as you said, you sure they have it there man
[09:57] <dstevens> none of my friends use linux nor want to, proberly for the best!
[09:58] <tritium> dstevens, their loss...
[09:58] <trygve> dstevens, hm
[09:58] <error_29> i've corrupted a few souls with ubuntu cd's...
[09:58] <kh4nh_> anyone know where to get Acrobat Reader 7
[09:59] <trygve> Why use the official reader?
[09:59] <trygve> gpdf etc. are compitable
[10:00] <kh4nh_> trygve: someone said it's pretty good and smooth, just wanna try it, and gpdf is lousy
[10:00] <rbo3db> Nermal: thank you... the problem doesn't seem trivial... i'll try putting ubuntu on another hdd then..
[10:00] <chado> ok, i get this error when installing the base system
[10:01] <chado> an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system
[10:01] <chado> kernel package: 'linux-386'
[10:01] <chado> virtual console 3 says
[10:02] <dstevens> Netboot, how to debug a netboot.
[10:02] <chado> following packages have unmet dependencies
[10:03] <chado> why cant the cd install the kernel?
[10:03] <error_29> How do I fix a "disk write error" on grub, trying to boot to (good) Win Xp partition?
[10:03] <chado> ive installed the same way on 2 other machines
[10:04] <dstevens> xp good never, only in the xp agile sence.
[10:06] <Pelle_> does anyone know how to disable hot-key underlining in menus (ie. _File, _Help, etc.)?
[10:06] <CarlK> chado - check VT4 or 5
[10:06] <dstevens> Thats a Mnemonic ? Reference dont you know, sorry i dont.
[10:07] <CarlK> see if there is a I/O error
[10:07] <chado> i/o for hdc, but the cdrom worked when i was installing gentoo
[10:07] <chado> but could that have been because of the netinstall from the livecd?
[10:07] <snowblink> Running ssh -X and running firefox produced a surprising result. It ran off my local settings.
[10:08] <CarlK> is hdc the cd?
[10:08] <chado> yeah
[10:08] <neighborlee> howdy again..just installed hoary and I went to install 'gftp' and its telling me: gftp depends on gftp-gtk 2.017+cvsblahblah and gftp-text which is not going to be installed ...I added the extra repositories so that surely isn't it...anyone seen this error with hoary ? ;-))
[10:08] <chado> im putting in a new ide cable now
[10:08] <Pelle_> neighborlee, you know that there is a built-in ftp-client in metacity/gnome?
[10:08] <chado> ive put in a new cdrom
[10:09] <dstevens> PXE Netboot ,
[10:09] <neighborlee> Pelle_, no I had no idea..whats it calle
[10:09] <neighborlee> Pelle_, if its not gui based i'm not interested
[10:09] <CarlK> chado  - just a sec
[10:10] <Pelle_> neighborlee, just open a folder and select "Connect to server.." from the File-menu.
[10:10] <chado> k
[10:11] <CarlK> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD
[10:11] <CarlK> that will keep you from having to restart the install
[10:11] <dstevens> Ok how can i install Ubuntu onto a mini-itx with no optical drives, just 10/100 network.
[10:12] <neighborlee> Pelle_, this isn't working well
[10:12] <neighborlee> Pelle_, and what do you mean open a folder ????
[10:12] <neighborlee> Pelle_, I need to connect to my host and download files that I need...
[10:12] <neighborlee> ;-)
[10:13] <Pelle_> neighborlee, do you have icons on your desktop?
[10:13] <neighborlee> yes I sure do..atm ..not for long LOL
[10:13] <neighborlee> checking
[10:13] <Pelle_> neighborlee, just open one of them
[10:13] <neighborlee> yes I get that part <G>
[10:13] <neighborlee> not working
[10:14] <Pelle_> neighborlee, you don't have a menu item in the "Files"-menu that says something like "Connect to server"?
[10:14] <neighborlee> hmm....trying again..its trying to connect to: http://ftp.blah.org LOL
[10:14] <neighborlee> Pelle_, yes I'm well beyond that point
[10:14] <neighborlee> Pelle_,one sec thx
[10:15] <Pelle_> neighborlee, well, ftp.blah.org ... is probably down...
[10:15] <FAST> why the hell isn't the gftp package installing
[10:15] <neighborlee> Pelle_, k I got it
[10:15] <dstevens> Does anyone know howto simulate a PXE Client to test that a tftpd is serving pxelinux bootrom
[10:15] <FAST> gftp:
[10:15] <FAST>   Depends: gftp-gtk (=2.0.17-6) but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed
[10:15] <FAST>  Depends: gftp-text but it is not going to be installed
[10:15] <FAST> gftp-text:
[10:15] <FAST>   Depends: gftp-common (=2.0.17-6) but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed
[10:15] <FAST> ??
[10:15] <neighborlee> Pelle_, I wasn't seeing the ftp with login connect option is all
[10:15] <neighborlee> Pelle_, got it thx
[10:16] <Pelle_> neighborlee, good.
[10:17] <dstevens> Is PXE or TFTP a banned words here ?
[10:17] <neighborlee> Pelle_, gftp is faster to get up and going with but in a pinch this is ok
[10:18] <neighborlee> Pelle_, anyway though..is my inability to install gftp via synaptic ( resulting apt-get error) due to simply using hoary atm ?
[10:18] <MaxeyPad> I'd like to have some sort of groupware in place to allow me to have a calendar to manage appointments etc.  Is there a way to have a calendar that integrates with Evolution and is also available via a web based interface?
[10:19] <Pelle_> neighborlee, I have no idea. is gftp a ubuntu-package from universe or main?
[10:19] <FAST> neighborlee, im having the same problem. cannot install gftp
[10:19] <MaxeyPad> install gftp-gtk
[10:19] <dstevens> You now have the ubuntu to piss off, so do it.
[10:19] <MaxeyPad> I just went through this a few hours ago
[10:19] <neighborlee> FAST: oh ok
[10:19] <neighborlee> Pelle_, not sure
[10:19] <neighborlee> FAST: life in the fast lane <G>
[10:19] <MaxeyPad> type apt-cache search gftp
[10:20] <farruinn> MaxeyPad: I'd probably ask a question like that on the forums or mailing list. You're more likely to get feedback there.
[10:20] <MaxeyPad> it will give you a listing of the gftp packages you have to choose from
[10:20] <neighborlee> FAST: although so far i'm liking hoary alot
[10:20] <MaxeyPad> thanks
[10:20] <FAST> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:20] <FAST>   gftp: Depends: gftp-gtk (= 2.0.17-6) but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 is to be installed
[10:20] <FAST>         Depends: gftp-text (= 2.0.17-6) but it is not going to be installed
[10:20] <neighborlee> yup same here exactly
[10:20] <dstevens> worst irc channel ever.
[10:20] <neighborlee> dstevens, which channel
[10:21] <pugio> actually I think periods would help emphasize the pauses in that statement
[10:21] <pugio> something like
[10:21] <pugio> worst. irc channel. evah!
[10:21] <dstevens> I think i might have found it.
[10:21] <eric__> hi, i need to share my printer (running in my ubuntu with cups) with a windows box in my lan
[10:22] <dstevens> eric__ and the problem is ?
[10:22] <eric__> what task i need to do for that
[10:22] <CarlK> eric__ - you need to install samba-server
[10:22] <eric__> trow cups are not possible?
[10:22] <eric__> throw
[10:23] <CarlK> or is it just samba
[10:23] <eric__> ok, i will install samba
[10:23] <CarlK> eric__ - well, maybe, but you wil have to fight with windows
[10:23] <topyli> ahh... you can turn off spell checking in tomboy now
[10:23] <CarlK> windows only wants to deal with other win boxes
[10:24] <eric__> other thing, the Ooo are not working
[10:24] <blk> i'm having some trouble with an ipw2100 wifi-card... how can i activate txpower? it's 0 -> iwconfig eth1 txpower auto|15|30mW didn't help, tried 'em all
[10:24] <dstevens> Stand away from the computer but near to the printer, then unplug the printer and save the trees.
[10:24] <CarlK> samba will make your linux box look like a windows box to them
[10:24] <eric__> ok
[10:24] <topyli> sneeky
[10:25] <topyli> works better than a windows server :)
[10:25] <CarlK> yup
[10:25] <dstevens> anything works better than a window server, my broken amiga is better than an window server.
[10:26] <CarlK> lol
[10:27] <dstevens> loser on line ahhh its like that!.
[10:27] <bretzel> Hi again -- funny I've just received by mail the 5 Ubuntu Warty cd's packages I have ordered a month ago 8-)
[10:27] <robodex> arg... can someone help me with installing the qemu accelerator?
[10:27] <alexander_> can anyone help me please?
[10:27] <eric__> there are an graphical alternative to gftp? ubuntu does not can install because broken dependences
[10:28] <eric__> tell us alexander_
[10:28] <apokryphos> eric__: Sure. Konqueror itself.
[10:28] <robodex> I'm getting this error when trying make install in the /kqemu/ directory:
[10:28] <robodex> make -C  SUBDIRS=`pwd` modules
[10:28] <robodex> make: *** SUBDIRS=/home/aaron/qemu-snapshot-2005-02-19_23/kqemu: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[10:28] <robodex> make: *** [kqemu.o]  Error 2
[10:28] <apokryphos> eric__: "kbear" is another one, though I prefer Konqueror.
[10:28] <alexander_> well i downloaded aim (aol instant messanger) and it wont let me open it to install it
[10:28] <alexander_> what do i do?
[10:28] <eric__> i suggest to try using GAIM
[10:28] <alexander_> whats that?
[10:29] <dstevens> Is it possable in anyway to have two dhcp server running on network, on router, on linux laptop to boot PXE client. ?.
[10:29] <eric__> is another IM client
[10:29] <apokryphos> Gnome Messenger Client
[10:29] <alexander_> will it work with aim though?
[10:29] <robodex> ahh, nm, I'll post it on the thread I have on the forums
[10:29] <robodex> afk
[10:29] <CarlK> dstevens - yes, but it will screw you up big time ;)
[10:29] <apokryphos> alexander_: It will. Though I use Kopete
[10:30] <alexander_> ok, so where do i get this?
[10:30] <apokryphos> apt
[10:30] <dstevens> even if its subnetted.
[10:30] <alexander_> haha i dunno how to work that, mind telling how to do that too?
[10:30] <alexander_> sorry, i just got ubuntu and i dunno what im doing
[10:30] <apokryphos> alexander_: You could use synaptic; I'm sure it'll be in the repos.
[10:31] <apokryphos> alexander_: See ubuntulinux.org and ubuntuguide.org for getting started
[10:31] <CarlK> dstevens - a box won't have a subnet setting until after it finds a dhcp on the physical net
[10:31] <alexander_> ok thanks a bunch guys!
[10:31] <dstevens> alexander_ have been using linux for 7 years, still feel as green as the grass.
[10:32] <alexander_> haha wow
[10:32] <CarlK> dstevens - what I have hear of , but also hear it was a bad idea, is to have the clients send a host name or somehing as part of the request, and the server's need to only respond to the right clients
[10:33] <CarlK> but then each client needs to have a static setting, and that makes the whole thing pointles
[10:33] <dstevens> PXE Not to sure about how the protocol works.
[10:34] <eric__> guys, OpenOffice does not work :-(
[10:35] <apokryphos> works fine here, though I don't tend to use it much
[10:35] <trigx300> hi CarlK, im trying to force a version in synaptic but the comand is disabled
[10:35] <dstevens> Basically im just trying to install ubuntu on a mini-itx for the moment using/learning DHCP -> PXE -> TFTP .
[10:35] <Jerub> dstevens: been there with debian. it was fun.
[10:36] <dstevens> eric__ They changed the name to ClosedOffice and sold out.
[10:36] <Jerub> dstevens: if you want to "Just Boot" a pxe machine, use knoppix and run knoppix-terminalserver
[10:36] <eric__> jajajaj
[10:36] <eric__> no, i say the openoffice suite, does not work in my ubuntu box
[10:37] <dstevens> Just Boot, and then install a barebone linux os, that all.
[10:37] <Vilijo> anyone know why my ubuntu clock shows always liek 12mins different time
[10:37] <bassinboy>  my box of crap ends in 5 hours http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZyelodog6QQhtZ-1
[10:37] <Vilijo> than the correct time, it reloads the wrong time always I reboot
[10:38] <trigx300> can anyone help me i need to force a different name on a pack
[10:38] <Schaap> is tehre a website with webcam drivers?
[10:38] <trigx300> i tryed in synaptic but the command is disabled
[10:39] <shock> is there a way to add items to the nautilus-right-click-on-desktop-popup-menu?
[10:39] <trigx300> (libvorbis0a to libvorbis0)
[10:41] <poningru> how do you dock certain software into the panel?
[10:41] <dstevens> Jerub, cheers sounds like the ltsp terminal server, but i would like to boot and install, but i dont think i can on this network with this damn belkin router offing dhcp, while i want to setup another dhcp server to offer tftp to a 'one' client waiting to PXE boot using tftp and install a barebone prefer 'ubuntu' os, but i cannot do this for the need of another dhcp server on the network, unless someone has an idea.
[10:41] <poningru> I wanna do with thunderbird & sunbird like outlook in windows
[10:41] <poningru> is this possible?
[10:42] <|QuaD-> poningru: not currently
[10:42] <poningru> well there is a thing in the repository called docker
[10:42] <Schaap> damn, no wonder no one answers, there are some seriously stupid questions here :/
[10:42] <poningru> but I cant get it to work
[10:42] <alexander_> ugh ok, im tired of reading crap...anyone wanna help me out with getting GAIM?
[10:43] <farruinn> alexander_: apt-get install gaim
[10:43] <alexander_> gotcha
[10:43] <farruinn> should be installed already though
[10:43] <dstevens> Other option is to boot is from USB is this possable, have a 128 stick if any good.
[10:43] <|QuaD-> poningru: do you have a link to what "docker" is
[10:43] <Schaap> liek that one
[10:43] <poningru> yeah hold on
[10:43] <alexander_> do i use terminal or root terminal?
[10:43] <farruinn> alexander_: is this a fresh install?
[10:43] <alexander_> yes
[10:43] <alexander_> im brand spankin new to linux
[10:44] <eric__> apokryphos, i noted that nautilus can connect to server (ftp, etc)
[10:44] <trigx300> Can somebody help me
[10:44] <dstevens> i could try.
[10:44] <farruinn> alexander_: it should already be installed: Applications>Internet>Gaim Instant Messenger
[10:44] <apokryphos> eric__: Really? That's interesting, and good. What's it like? Decent?
[10:44] <alexander_> ah...
[10:44] <poningru> http://icculus.org/openbox/2/docker/
[10:44] <eric__> i trying to use now
[10:44] <poningru> |quad-: thats where the info is
[10:45] <poningru> but the package is in the universe under graphical miscellaneous
[10:45] <WillCooke> Can anyone recommend a nice small WYSIWYG HTML editor?
[10:45] <poningru> NVU
[10:45] <trigx300> dstevens? u talkin to me?
[10:46] <poningru> willcook: it simply works
[10:46] <dstevens> trigx300: if you would like
[10:47] <WillCooke> poningru, Thanks
[10:47] <rotundo> whats the deal with polypaudio? i let it install and my gnome sound stopped working, so I went back and installed esound again and now I have no sound....
[10:47] <trigx300> im trying to force a neme on a pack
[10:47] <trigx300> name*
[10:47] <dstevens> on pack please explain
[10:48] <trigx300> (libvorbis0a to libvorbis0)
[10:49] <trigx300> cuz transcode needs it but another prog needs the other
[10:49] <alexander_> alrighty, anyone wanna tell me how to get mp3 format onto the computer?
[10:49] <alexander_> and all the video formats and music formats as well?
[10:49] <apokryphos> eric__: What do you have to type in the URL bar?
[10:49] <Schaap> alexander_ apt-get install xmms
[10:49] <alexander_> whats xmms?
[10:49] <Nermal> alexander_, mplayer / totem / xine
[10:49] <Schaap> a media player
[10:50] <Schaap> like winamp
[10:50] <farruinn> alexander_: www.ubuntuguide.org is your friend
[10:50] <Schaap> ish
[10:50] <Nermal> w32codecs for all the video formats
[10:50] <poningru> quad: any ideas?
[10:50] <Schaap> Listen to farruinnm alexander_
[10:50] <alexander_> lol the guide isnt helping me though
[10:50] <Nermal> read it :)
[10:50] <Schaap> It should be
[10:50] <Schaap> it was very helpfull to me
[10:51] <Schaap> then again, i did most by myself, not depending on the ppl here
[10:51] <Schaap> as they hardly help
[10:51] <alexander_> i think you should keep in mind im only 16
[10:51] <poningru> so
[10:51] <poningru> that makes no difference
[10:51] <Schaap> and?
[10:51] <poningru> and schaap these people are extremely helpful
[10:51] <Schaap> You should be smart by know
[10:51] <farruinn> alexander_: then this should be a good learning experience.  Use your browser's search to find what you need on www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <Schaap> unless you live on a farm :D
[10:52] <Schaap> poningru, yeah right,
[10:52] <alexander_> do i use the root terminal or the just the terminal?
[10:52] <ktech> hey guys... any of you can point me to a place where I can download hoary?
[10:52] <Schaap> all the say is "read topic" and "go google"
[10:52] <farruinn> Schaap: then you're asking silly questions
[10:53] <Schaap> Whats silly about webcam support?
[10:53] <Schaap> and drivers for webcams?
[10:53] <poningru> sigh
[10:53] <poningru> if you didnt even looked through the support docs
[10:53] <poningru> then you are bound to get that answer
[10:54] <Schaap> well, then i can say, there is no support or ability to have a webcam
[10:54] <farruinn> ktech: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[10:55] <WillCooke> poningru, Hey - Nvu good!
[10:55] <Schaap> and this doesnt convince me any more about the whole linux is greater then windows thing
[10:55] <Schaap> because, well, it isnt
[10:55] <poningru> yeah extremely wait till they come out with 1.0
[10:55] <farruinn> Schaap: then don't use it, but stop complaining about it here
[10:55] <Pluk> hi all
[10:55] <trigx300> has anyone installed dvdrip on ubuntu
[10:55] <poningru> hehe who'd a thunk it schaap is a win troll
[10:56] <Nermal> Schaap, don't be an idiot and start that old chestnut
[10:56] <Nermal> I have my webcam working fine with gnomemeeting
[10:56] <Nermal> if your vendor doesn't release drivers for your webcam, go and complain to them
[10:57] <Schaap> hey, atleast im trying to run ubuntu
[10:57] <Nermal> Schaap, are you ? that was lost in your other comments
[10:57] <Schaap> to see why every one keeps crying that linux is better then windows
[10:57] <Nermal> thats the wrong reason to try it
[10:57] <farruinn> please, lets not get into this
[10:57] <moyote> Please... no
[10:58] <alexander_> ok one more question
[10:58] <Nermal> the whole philosophy is better, so if you're hoping for a faster computer or something, then you're barking up the wrong tree
[10:58] <Nermal> and there I will stop to avoid a flamewar
[10:58] <Pluk> hehe ty Nermal  :P
[10:58] <Schaap> i asked for webcam help, and you started a war, thanks
[10:58] <Nermal> I have tomorrow and thursday off :)
[10:58] <alexander_> when im in the terminal, and i do sudo... it asks me for my password and i type it in, but nothing on the screen moves...whats wrong?
[10:59] <Nermal> lol @ quit message.. I think we get his age
[10:59] <Pluk> yups
[10:59] <farruinn> alexander_: that's normal, you don't get ***'s when you type letters
[10:59] <alexander_> so what do i do?
[10:59] <farruinn> just type carefully and hit enter
[10:59] <Pluk> vmware is nice
[10:59] <Nermal> would you like your password to appear on the screen ? :)
[10:59] <Nermal> Pluk, aye.. you tried 5.x yet ?
[10:59] <Pluk> yeah running 5 now
[10:59] <alexander_> i did, and it went to the way it did before with the alexander@ubuntu:~ $
[11:00] <Nermal> hows the directx ?
[11:00] <Nermal> well sudo will
[11:00] <Nermal> it just executes the command and drops back
[11:00] <Pluk> too bad itdoesnt support bridging on wireless on linux yet
[11:00] <Nermal> sudo su will give you a root shell
[11:00] <shock> er... where does apt-get source store the sources? O_o
[11:00] <farruinn> alexander_: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:00] <Nermal> shock, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:00] <shock> nono... not those
[11:00] <shock> the downloaded ones ;)
[11:00] <farruinn> shock: your current directory
[11:00] <Pluk> didnt try directx yet but read that it was very limited
[11:00] <farruinn> (I htink)
[11:00] <shock> ah ok
[11:00] <Nermal> /var/lib/apt/archives ?
[11:00] <shock> hm
[11:01] <Nermal> or something
[11:01] <Nermal> locate archives
[11:01] <Nermal> ;)
[11:01] <shock> :P
[11:01] <farruinn> Nermal: he's talking about debian source packages
[11:01] <shock> the deb im not interested in
[11:01] <shock> i want the code ;)
[11:01] <Nermal> oh
[11:01] <Pluk> it runs Solidworks (cad) pretty decent though
[11:01] <Nermal> /usr/src ?
[11:01] <shock> nope
[11:02] <farruinn> shock: that's where I would run apt-get source if I were you though
[11:02] <shock> :P
[11:02] <shock> doing that
[11:02] <sleeper> hi
[11:02] <nixman> anyone has idea why a usb mouse is not detected when pluged in ? i have a laptop with trackpad wich works now. evrone on google seems to have usb working and no trackpad :-(
[11:02] <Nermal> uh oh
[11:02] <sleeper> what program can i use to sintonice tv?
[11:02] <shock> ahh... ok - i think there was an error... downloading it again
[11:02] <Pluk> .. /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:03] <Nermal> Pluk, aye.. but he wants the source package location :|
[11:03] <krism> .aquit
[11:03] <Pluk> isnt that where all the packages are downloaded to?
[11:03] <Nermal> Pluk, aye. but source debs are then extracted
[11:03] <Nermal> and plonked somewhere for you to build / poke with
[11:03] <sleeper> ?
[11:03] <Nermal> like an src rpm
[11:04] <sleeper> where can i get it?
[11:04] <Nermal> sleeper, didn't understand the question
[11:04] <Nermal> sintonice ?
[11:04] <Pluk> i  would extract it to /tmp
[11:04] <sleeper> i want see tv in my ubuntu
[11:04] <Nermal> o
[11:04] <Nermal> apt-get install zapping ?
[11:04] <Nermal> apt-get install mythtv ?
[11:04] <sleeper> ok thx
[11:05] <Nermal> there are several
[11:05] <Nermal> mythtv lets you record tv shows too :)
[11:05] <trigx300> can anybody help me i cant get transcode to install
[11:05] <sleeper> thanks very much nermal
[11:08] <Nermal> mmm.. thank me when it's working :)
[11:10] <MaxeyPad> I installed xmms with apt-get install xmms and I installed the additional media packs.  However, I still do not have mp3 support for XMMS is there something I'm missing
[11:12] <trigx300> do i have to put anything after sudo if its a kde app?
[11:12] <trigx300> (gui)
[11:13] <jbailey> MaxeyPad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CantPlayMP3s
[11:13] <topyli> trigx300: no
[11:14] <MaxeyPad> nevermind i'm fucking retarded
 nevermind i'm fucking retarded <--- may I quote? :P
[11:14] <shock> *runsandhides*
[11:14] <MaxeyPad> sure go for it
[11:14] <MaxeyPad> I deserve to be quoted for being so goddamm stupid
[11:15] <shock> lol
[11:15] <zax> ssems like a missed the best bit of the nite
[11:15] <Riddell> trigx300: why are you running kde apps as root?
[11:15] <topyli> hmm
[11:15] <alexander_> wow, the starter guide is really helping me now, thanks a ton guys i owe you one
[11:15] <MaxeyPad> Just curious, do any of you know of an mp3 player for linux that has tabs, like how foobar for ms windows does
[11:16] <topyli> foobar? heh
[11:16] <borgista> mp3 player, as in a program MaxeyPad?
[11:16] <MaxeyPad> right
[11:16] <borgista> I've never seen tabs in a player. Maybe amarok?
[11:16] <topyli> MaxeyPad: why? so you can play 4 songs at once? :)
[11:17] <borgista> xmms is nice. it's basically winamp(on windows) but without the media library thing
[11:17] <MaxeyPad> no so the playlists can be organized into tabs.
[11:17] <chugga> does ubuntu come with wifi tools like kismet?
[11:17] <MaxeyPad> http://www.forest.impress.co.jp/article/2004/05/18/foobar2000_1s.jpg
[11:17] <error_29> foobar2000 is a superb player
[11:17] <error_29> best playlists ever
[11:18] <topyli> MaxeyPad: ahh. couldn't find a screenshot on their homepage
[11:18] <error_29> I never liked winamp, hence xmms leaves me cold
[11:18] <borgista> error. then what do you use, pray tell
[11:19] <topyli> i'm just using what the gnome folks gime as the default. I AM THE USER
[11:19] <error_29> nothing yet -- stuck with totem! and no mp3
[11:19] <borgista> no mp3 support?
[11:19] <borgista> why not fix that?
[11:19] <error_29> fresh ubuntu
[11:19] <borgista> ah
[11:19] <error_29> I will.  first I have to figure out how to get this thing dual-booting
[11:20] <borgista> dual booting is usually quite pain free.
[11:20] <borgista> just uncommenting and editing some things in /etc/fstab
[11:20] <MaxeyPad> hahah, nevermind i've got foobar playing under crossover office now :)
[11:20] <error_29> Grub hates me, borgista
[11:21] <borgista> Ah, did you hit it as a child?
[11:21] <borgista> hehehe
[11:21] <WeirdAl> yo dudes... There's loads of Linux releases of Azureus and I have no idea what I'm doing :-)
[11:21] <WeirdAl> I know I don't want the 64-bit version yet.
[11:21] <error_29> crossover office?  Maxey, is that an emulator, or are you running it off a network, what?
[11:21] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: link?
[11:21] <WeirdAl> I'm guessing GTK...
[11:21] <MaxeyPad> www.codeweavers.com
[11:21] <borgista> Get GTK
[11:21] <borgista> that one
[11:21] <WeirdAl> thx borg.
[11:21] <MaxeyPad> its basically wine for the mentally handicapped like myself
[11:22] <borgista> you have java set up correctly, right?
[11:22] <apokryphos> yeah, GTK
[11:22] <error_29> I need that.
[11:22] <error_29> Wish bsplayer would run in linux
[11:23] <MaxeyPad> I'm running IE6 also under it.
[11:23] <topyli> error_29: i've found native stuff for almost everything. the rest i've just kicked :)
[11:23] <MaxeyPad> the only thing it lacks support for that kind of is a pain is office 2003
[11:23] <WeirdAl> Yep, just spent ages with <mumblemumble> installing Java
[11:24] <error_29> This is how I screwed up my partitions, trying to get a distro on here that already had all that stuff, java, mp3 support etc
[11:27] <error_29> anybody know if the next warty release will at least have firefox 1.0 on it?
[11:27] <Quest-Master> What can I use to edit an MP3's IDv3 tags?
[11:28] <kent> error_29, the next Ubuntu release will have that. Warty only gets security updates
[11:28] <insom> sup yall
[11:29] <kent> Quest-Master, easytag. I think you can install it from universe in ubuntu.
[11:29] <topyli> error_29: get hoary sources and build
[11:29] <dilema> anyone know how to figure out why synaptic keeps crashing?
[11:29] <dilema> i;ve tried sudo synaptic
[11:29] <Quest-Master> kent: Thanks.
[11:29] <dilema> but when it crashes it says nothign
[11:29] <kent> Quest-Master, but im not sure if its a good program or not. :(
[11:29] <error_29> topyli, I've never built anything more complex than a large sandwich.
[11:29] <Quest-Master> I'll try it. :)
[11:30] <topyli> error_29: no matter. the sandwich didn't come as nice debian sources did it :)
[11:30] <insom> error:doubble leyer sandwitch?
[11:30] <error_29> But I'm gonna have to learn I guess, because I've decided that I don't much like gnome
[11:31] <error_29> and kde is worse, and I don't have a clue as to what to do with iceWM, though it's gorgeous
[11:31] <topyli> error_29: with wajig: 'wajig build-depend mozilla-firefox ; wajig build mozilla-firefox'. then get some coffee
[11:31] <Jerub> where should I go to report that both gnome and metacity are steaming piles of dogshit?
[11:31] <insom> error: ever tried blackbox?
[11:32] <error_29> wajig?  ok, topyli, thanks
[11:32] <error_29> metacity, yuck
[11:32] <error_29> can't even tile or cascade windows
[11:32] <shock> enlightenment :P
[11:32] <topyli> error_29: yeah, i've forgotten most debian admin commands since i fell in love with wajig
[11:32] <error_29> and gnome has done weird things to nautilus
[11:32] <kent> Jerub, well, if thats the only comment, then i would suggest you go nowhere. But if you have reasons, rational reasons, then perhaps send them to the persons responsibel for the packages :)
[11:33] <Jerub> kent: its not the persons responsible for the packages per-se.
[11:33] <error_29> blackbox, seems appealing insom.
[11:33] <insom> error: u should give it a try then..
[11:33] <Jerub> its more that they violate just about every standard interface mechanic I know
[11:34] <kent> Jerub, but to make a difference, its them you should contact, but if your only comment is about dogshit, then you should not send a comment ;)
[11:34] <topyli> Jerub: fortunately, you don't actually have to use it if you don't like it
[11:35] <WeirdAl> omh
[11:35] <error_29> please will the gods of user friendliness port a clone of the old and dead and wonderful BeOs to linux
[11:36] <topyli> i think there's an openbeos project. but naturally it has nothing to do with linux
[11:36] <Quest-Master> Jerub: You are not required to use Gnome. However, know that a majority here does, and calling it "dogshit" does not actually do any justice to making it any better. ;)
[11:37] <Quest-Master> Jerub: There are alternatives. XFCE, KDE, Fluxbox, xpde, and many more.
[11:37] <topyli> E
[11:37] <Jerub> I'm sorry, I'm just frustrated.
[11:37] <Quest-Master> Hehe.
[11:37] <error_29> Palm bought the orig BeOs.  If they actually use it for something, the competition's toast
[11:37] <Quest-Master> What's bugging you?
[11:37] <insom> jerub:what is it so frustrating about gnome?
[11:38] <WeirdAl> Oops. :-\
[11:38] <Quest-Master> I rearranged my Gnome to look exactly like the default setup in KDE. :)
[11:38] <shock> lol
[11:38] <Jerub> Quest-Master: really simple things that gnome has decided are "Better" for the user, nautilus opening a new window by default every time you click on another folder, can't resize a window using alt-rightclick, can't move windows above the top of the display, etc.
[11:38] <Quest-Master> Which is what I like about it.. the ability of full customization.
[11:38] <dilema> lol "spatial"
[11:38] <shock> *pukes@defaultkde* i arranged my gnome to look like my old fvwm2 :P
[11:38] <Quest-Master> Jerub: That spatial design can be fixed.
[11:38] <error_29> Gnome vs Kde reminds me Democrats vs Republicans, essentially the same party
[11:38] <topyli> Jerub: beyond the dogshit comments, you could always write mail to the usability-list on gnome.org
[11:38] <Jerub> right, thanks.
[11:39] <Quest-Master> Jerub: Edit -> Preferences -> Behavior -> Always Open in Browser Windows
[11:39] <Quest-Master> That will fix it. ;)
[11:39] <dilema> god what a dumb dumb decision. MS windows 95 and early versions of Macs(Pre OS X) used sspatil..hundreds of millions of dollars of research dn development later they both scrapped "spatial". But of course Gnome devs completely overlooked that
[11:39] <error_29> I gotta say, every time my panels crash when I change wallpaper, I have thoughts as unkind as Jerub
[11:40] <Quest-Master> The other things.. I haven't even noticed them, let alone bother me, so yeah.
[11:40] <Quest-Master> Spatial is horrible.
[11:40] <Quest-Master> I have no idea why they decided on that.
[11:40] <dilema> spatial is retarded
[11:40] <dilema> Quest-Master, i am thinking ego?
[11:40] <dilema> because they could
[11:40] <kent> I kind of like spatial nautilus :)
[11:40] <Quest-Master> Otherwise, Gnome is pretty much perfect though.
[11:40] <bjugis> I have problems with loading X. Don't know what happend, but now it just won't start. I only get some warnings about EDID in Xorg.0.log(http://84.202.69.32/~bjugis/Xorg.0.log).
[11:40] <dilema> kent, kinf of like spatial...thats not enough to make it default for every other user
[11:41] <Quest-Master> Of course, Gnome on SUSE is disastrous
[11:41] <topyli> spatial is nice for the desktop. you can always use the browser when you have to actually _browse_ your filesystem
[11:41] <shock> i like the gnome-way, too... but it took me a week of good will :P
[11:41] <dilema> tolstoy-, isn't that the idea?
[11:41] <kent> dilema, i was not implying that me liking it was the reason for making it default though..  I just said that I liked it.
[11:41] <dilema> to browse your files
[11:41] <Quest-Master> Good thing I picked up Ubuntu.
[11:41] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[11:41] <dilema> kent, i know
[11:42] <dilema> just saying
[11:42] <stuNNed> Quest-Master: agreed
[11:42] <error_29> Gnome is sloppy.  Inconsistent, at least in this ubuntu release. Help menus are outdated.  Help browser is near useless.  Icons are mixed up, a mix of ugly old and cool new.
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Realize that this is Ubuntu's FIRST release.
[11:43] <error_29> and splitting settings into I don't know how many menus is exasperating
[11:43] <Quest-Master> I don't remember any distro that did this well on it's first release, all around.
[11:43] <robtaylor> spatial is actually rather different in gnome than in win95..
[11:43] <dilema> robodex,  how so?
[11:43] <dilema> and it's the same idea
[11:43] <Pluk> anything based on debian is kinda good :)
[11:43] <topyli> well, it's spatial :)
[11:43] <Quest-Master> Kinda? Always. ;)
[11:43] <dilema> uh
[11:43] <Pluk> ur right :P
[11:44] <dilema> so give it a new name and it becomes different?
[11:44] <error_29> Well, Quest-Master, I'm not knocking ubuntu.
[11:44] <shock> brb (hopefully)
[11:45] <topyli> dilema:  no. it actually restores window positions and shapes, and gets rid of the filesystem metaphor in favor or the "spatial" desktop metaphor
[11:45] <robtaylor> dilema: cant quite put my finger on it, something to do with consistent state.. i hated win95 spatial, and natilus atm i quote like, so go figure =)
[11:45] <dilema> tolstoy-, lol because it remembers size/position?
[11:45] <robtaylor> like when a folder is open you can see it in the parent
[11:45] <topyli> dilema: who is tolstoy-?
[11:45] <dilema> err topyli
[11:46] <robtaylor> methinks dilema has tab complete issues ;)
[11:46] <error_29> I actually like nautilus's current behaviour, just wish I could close all folders with one click in the taskbar
[11:46] <dilema> because it remembers size/position does not make it different
[11:46] <dilema> thats a trivial difference
[11:46] <robtaylor> error_29: yeah that'd be nice
[11:46] <error_29> and they should have put some toggles at the top of the folder windows to switch to browse (tree) mode
[11:46] <robtaylor> dilema: have you given it a good play?
[11:46] <dilema> yes i have
[11:46] <dilema> used gnome since 1.4
[11:46] <dilema> spatial is a joke
[11:46] <stuNNed> error_29: yeah that would be nice
[11:47] <robtaylor> dilema: have you tried it recently? :P
[11:47] <topyli> dilema: anyway, when i work, i have stuff on my real desk and on the gnome desktop (documents, folders). when i'm done at the end of a project, i file the stuff at my filesystem (be it the drawers/shelves in the real world or the filesystem on a linux box)
[11:47] <dilema> i attempted to use spatial to really try to see if there was somethign i was missing
[11:47] <robtaylor> gnome 2.4 i didnt like it, gnome 2.6 and 2.8 i do..
[11:47] <error_29> I actually like konqueror a lot for the navigation help, even uses tabs
[11:47] <dilema> i couldn't find it, i kept asking myself why gnome devs don't learn from others mistakes
[11:47] <robtaylor> error_29: konqeror definitly has some nice features
[11:48] <error_29> but ubuntu does have a nice clean and very quick feel
[11:48] <dilema> topyli, and i think yoiur case spatial works well
[11:48] <dilema> but thats not justification enough for all of us to hav espatial forced on us. and especially for it to be default
[11:49] <robtaylor> dilema: you can always install a new file browser
[11:49] <topyli> dilema: well, i do have a regular, well-ordered filesystem at /home, which i browse with the browser mode
[11:49] <robtaylor> ;)
[11:49] <dilema> robtaylor, uh
[11:49] <dilema> or i can switch to browse mode
[11:49] <topyli> dilema: spatial is for the desktop
[11:49] <dilema> topyli, really i thought it was for the command line...
[11:49] <robtaylor> dilema: actually for me, i use nautilus when doing 'normal user' stuff in spatial and its very good at that, especially when combined with 'places'
[11:50] <robtaylor> for everything else, bash is my browser of choice ;)
[11:50] <stuNNed> with spatial there should  be less folders or something imho
[11:50] <dilema> stuNNed, that defeats the ide aof spatial
[11:50] <error_29> can someone clarify for me the difference between letting nautilus draw the desktop, and letting metacity do it?
[11:50] <dilema> and robtaylor but nautilus browse mode should be default
[11:51] <dilema> error_29, metacity draws windows
[11:51] <dilema> nautilus draws the desktop
[11:51] <error_29> I hate the either-orism with Nautilus and metacity:
[11:51] <dilema> err s/draws/handles
[11:51] <dilema> error_29, that are two seperate things
[11:51] <robtaylor> dilema: i disagree myself, but there you go.. convince jdub =)
[11:51] <topyli> stuNNed: i have 6 folders on the desktop, and spatial handles them well. beyond that, it's browser time :)
[11:51] <error_29> Either browse mode or the other, either click on title bar to roll up, or to maximize
[11:52] <error_29> I appreciate the desire to keep controls from getting cluttered, but why not at least give us keyboard, mouse combinations to alter behaviors?
[11:52] <topyli> error_29: i'd hate it if they would happen at random :)
[11:53] <error_29> I want to double click to roll up, and Ctrl click to maximize.
[11:53] <topyli> error_29: keyboard modifiers wouldn't hurt though i guess
[11:54] <error_29> click to open a folder in window mode or whatever they call it, and Ctrl click to browse
[11:54] <topyli> yeah, these are all behind the right click menu
[11:54] <xvers> hey.. can anyone help me, some of my GNOME desktop icons dont show, just a little x in their place.. what can this be due to?
[11:54] <jdub> error_29: you can modify some keyboard combos in the keyboard shortcuts window, but you can't define mouse buttons in those, for instance.
[11:55] <robtaylor> error_29: System->Preferences->Windows
[11:55] <error_29> xvers, that's happened to me too, the Home icon keeps vanishing
[11:55] <robtaylor> solves one of them
[11:55] <xvers> the trash can icon disappears too
[11:56] <error_29> Like I said, the prefs settings give me either-or choices for defaults.
[11:58] <topyli> sane defaults, less buttons and switches. it's ok. maybe you can do more with gconf-editor if you want to tweak. i've set a couple of keyboard commands there, it's not that bad
[11:58] <shock> re
[11:58] <shock> i just tried icewm
[11:58] <shock> its nice... just that i cant set any proper font
[11:58] <shock> *sigh*
[11:58] <geppy> What does the mozilla flashplayer use for sound output?
[11:58] <WeirdAl> If I use Nautilus to create a launcher in Applications:///Internet, nothing happens when I press OK :-(
[11:58] <WeirdAl> Do I need root access to do that?
[11:58] <WeirdAl> And if so, how do I create a launcher with root access?
[11:59] <jdub> WeirdAl: killall gnome-panel
[11:59] <WeirdAl> What does that do?
[11:59] <geppy> Anyone know what sound system the flashplayer plugin uses?
[11:59] <error_29> Is there some way I can get links I create to be put automatically on the desktop, instead of in the target's folder?
[12:00] <awtomlinson> i need help mounting an external firewire hard drive.  not sure if the filesystem is fat32 or ntfs
[12:00] <ajay> hello all