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error_29must be a file I could edit somewhere for that12:00
shockhoi12:00
error_29iceWM has some really nice themes12:00
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shockis there a dock for wmaker apps in ubuntu-gnome ?12:01
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robtaylorgeppy: i think it tries to be intelligent :/12:01
ajayNew to Ubuntu.  so i have a couple of questions.  is there anyway to install software like goobox on warty on powerpc?12:01
robtaylorgeppy: probably alsa if its there12:01
geppyrobtaylor:  =/12:01
pixelmonkeydoes anyone notice that in Hoary's evolution, quoting of e-mails is broken?12:01
geppyrobtaylor:  I'm not getting any sound.12:01
robtaylorgeppy: have you got esd or polypaudio running?12:01
dstevensDoes anyone know of a port of http://www.asterisk.org/ Asterisk PBX i know there is a debian iso, but not ubuntu as far as i see.12:01
jintyhey robtaylor12:01
geppyrobtaylor:  I've tried with/without ESD, with/without JACK (hah, yeah right), and I've got OSS and ALSA working, as well as PortAudio.12:02
geppyrobtaylor:  I've tried both with and without.12:02
robtayloron that note does anyone else keep getting messages about /dev/dsp in use with the new polypaudio stuff ?12:02
robtaylorjinty: hey!!!12:02
robtaylorgeppy: warty right?12:02
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geppyrobtaylor:  Right.12:02
jintyDidn't expect you around these parts12:02
robtaylorjinty: just hanging out ;) hoary's been giveing me jyp recently :(12:03
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WeirdAlCan I have an answer that'll actualy work please? :-\12:04
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geppyrobtaylor:  Oh, it seems to only work with ESD, and I just realized that my "testing" last night was when I was way too tired to think clearly.  You have to kill all instances of firefox for it to see that ESD is running.12:04
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robtaylorgeppy: ahha12:04
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neighborleeanyone else having trouble with automounting in hoary ?12:05
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robtaylori'm starting to worry about the polypaudio plan :/12:05
geppyOn that note...  ESD sucks.  Does the gstreamer swf decoder work well, and, if so, does it work with firefox?12:05
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geppyrobtaylor:  There's nothing better, at the moment.12:05
robtaylorgeppy: libswf sucks, i'm afraid12:05
WeirdAlSomeone tell me how to make a launcher that stays around after I press OK?12:06
geppyrobtaylor:  JACK is pretty badass.  As soon as ESD is implemented as a client, as well as OSS and ALSA, it should be good for everyday use.12:06
robtaylorgeppy: well i had my system set up with dmix and that was working much better than i expected..12:06
geppyrobtaylor:  Oh.  Other than the flashplayer-nonfree, are there any good players?12:06
geppyrobtaylor:  True, but then you can't use OSS apps.12:06
robtaylorgeppy: yep. i have a whole plan for pushing for jack everywhere after hoary =)12:06
geppyrobtaylor:  And there's no way to do a wrapper.12:06
robtaylorwith gst-jackasyn12:06
geppyrobtaylor:  Why not stary not? =D12:06
geppyhaha12:07
geppyAwesome.12:07
geppyrobtaylor:  I'm working on esd-jack. =D12:07
robtaylorand rtp transports for remote desktops12:07
geppy=D12:07
robtaylorgeppy: see above =)12:07
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S1nn3rhi all12:07
geppy=)12:07
robtaylori mean it. i'm just putting a badass gstreamer rtp plugin into gst-plugins as we speak12:07
geppyNeed beta testers? =)12:07
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=== robtaylor grrs at autoconf
geppyhahaha12:08
robtaylorheh12:08
geppyautoconf is teh sux0r12:08
robtaylorwell it rocks and sucks simuntanously i find12:08
geppyhahaha12:08
geppyYeah.12:08
robtaylorkinda like a granny12:08
geppyhahahaha12:08
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robtaylor(with mints! with mints! you dirty minded... ;) ;) )12:08
geppyhahahahahahahahahahaha =)12:09
S1nn3ranyone know why alsa ant detecting my sound card on startup (am in the process of first run after install .. updateing now)12:09
robtaylorright, back to autofoo..12:09
dstevensmum jokes i can handle but nan jokes are just plain wrong!12:09
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S1nn3ris alsa support for all the supported soundcards set up in ubuntu or ?12:10
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robtaylordstevens: it was safer than the other analogy that popped in my head...12:11
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nixmananyone can tell me any reason why the usb mouse would just not light up when i plug in ? i know the mouse works.12:11
LinuxJonesS1nn3r, what sound card do you have ?12:11
dethow does the ubuntu package repository get built? mirror of Debian and then individual packages are modified?12:11
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dstevensrobtaylor: i bet it was.12:13
S1nn3rLinuxJones: VIA 82xx12:13
nico2012ciao people =)12:13
robtaylordet: totally autobuilt from source forked off controlled imports of debian unstable, i believe12:13
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akurashyhello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash12:13
S1nn3rLinuxJones: thats the driver ive needed for the onboard sound in the past12:13
nixmanwhich package i have to install to make sure usb mouse works ?12:13
robtaylornixman: should Just Work12:13
LinuxJonesS1nn3r, the oss drivers are probably loaded what does lsmod | grep via output12:13
geppynixman:  If it doesn't light up, then it's broken.12:13
geppynixman:  It doesn't matter if it's detected; it should light up if it's working.12:14
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LinuxJonesS1nn3r, if the oss drivers are loaded then alsa will not work12:14
nixmangeppy, it lights up until ubntu boots. and it works fine in that other os.12:14
detrobodex, do apt-get.org sources in general work with Ubuntu?12:14
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geppynixman:  Do you have the USB libraries?  Idon'12:14
S1nn3rLinuxJones: its still cleaning up after the first run and update.. will get back to you when its done12:14
LinuxJonesS1nn3r, okie :)12:14
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geppynixman:  I don't think that you actually have to download those anymore, though.12:14
error_29If I wan't to try hoary, what's the best approach, just update stuff from the server, or burn a cd and reinstall everthing?12:15
apokryphoserror_29: The former, definitely.12:15
nixmangeppy, i did not had the usb mouse at install time. not sure if they got installed or what they are12:15
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LinuxJoneserror_29, you can update using apt-get or synaptic12:15
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S1nn3rhmm why isnt ALSA the default .. OSS is pretty much dead12:15
geppynixman:  No idea.12:15
S1nn3rapart from legacy support that is12:15
error_29thanks.  I'm gonna take the plunge, since I finally had the sense to make a seperate home partition12:16
LinuxJonesS1nn3r, I don't know why the alsa drivers aren't working out of the box, oss probably ahs taken control for some odd reason12:16
nixmangeppy, i am suspecting some pkges are missing. i dont see any thing logged in var/log/messages when i plug unplug12:16
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robodexdet: pardon?12:17
robodexdid you mean robtaylor? ;)12:17
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S1nn3rLinuxJones: arg, hm.. so how do i go about killing OSS in ubuntu ?12:18
LinuxJonesS1nn3r, you will have to unload the modules12:19
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LinuxJonesS1nn3r, then add the alsa modules using modprobe12:19
geppynixman:  No idea.12:19
geppynixman: Sorry.12:19
detrobodex, yes :(12:20
robodexhehe np ;)12:20
nixmananyone else can suggest must have pkgs for a usb mouse ?12:20
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S1nn3rLinuxJones: probibly have to go looking for the alsa conf to right ?12:21
LinuxJonesnixman, your usb mouse isn't working ?12:21
LinuxJonesS1nn3r, alsaconf isn't installed in Ubuntu by defaule :(12:21
nixmanLinuxJones, yes ... unfortunately. what are the must have pkgs ?12:21
LinuxJoneserr default12:21
LinuxJonesnixman, usbhid usbcore12:22
S1nn3rLinuxJones: oh great, so much for the install and go idea then, heh12:22
LinuxJonesnixman, but they whould be loaded automatically12:22
LinuxJonesnixman, unplug your mouse then plug it back in again12:22
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zenroxnixman,  you  have to reconfigure your xsever12:23
TetrisMasterwill the free demo of Partition Magic partition a drive sucessfully?12:23
nixmanLinuxJones, i did that multiple times. with no logs in /var/log/messages12:24
LinuxJonesS1nn3r, 1 set backward to take 2 steps forward :)12:24
nixmanzenrox, it does not light up even ?12:24
S1nn3rLinuxJones: so first get rid of OSS modules,make sure the alsa ones are loading then create the alsa conf file ?12:24
zenroxmy usb mouse works just fine and its wireless12:24
zenroxand my keyboard too12:24
nixmanTetrisMaster, there is a free alternative partimage if i remember correctly and it comes with knoppix.12:25
zenroxqtparted12:25
LinuxJonesS1nn3r, yeah basically12:25
TetrisMasternixman knpppix wont run correctly on my computer :(12:25
shockdamnit... i want a middlemousebuton menu for applications in gnome!12:25
dataw0lfparted.12:26
nixmanTetrisMaster, what you tried and what was wrong ?12:26
zenroxshock, i want to get my mouse to scroll sidewas12:26
S1nn3rLinuxJones: think im gonna see if i can get Nvidia acell up and running first.. then go back to alsa heh12:26
shock:D12:26
zenroxlol12:27
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carajeanis it a good idea to upgrade to hoary?12:27
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LinuxJonesS1nn3r, that's pretty easy to do did you see the howto on the ubuntu site ?12:27
LinuxJonescarajean, how new are you to Linux ?12:28
TetrisMasterwont recognise monitor correctly, and there are other errors that i dont know of12:28
S1nn3rLinuxJones: yep.. which is precisely why im doing that first .. always do the easy stuff first12:28
carajeanvery new well i been usin it since about xmas12:29
nixmanTetrisMaster, try some of the options explained in F{2,3,4} specially the vga options12:29
TetrisMasteri cant even log into root12:29
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LinuxJonescarajean, well it is working ok for me but it is a development branch and can have some issues for people from time to time12:30
nixmanLinuxJones, usbhid and usbcore are not loaded in etc/modules. which order should they get loaded12:30
LinuxJonesnixman, lsmod | grep usb        are they listed ?12:30
WeirdAlAnyone know an FTP command that'll let me GET everything in a directory?12:30
WeirdAlWhile I'm here12:31
ompaulWeirdAl, mget *12:31
WeirdAlty12:31
nixmanLinuxJones, i only have usbcore loaded12:31
LinuxJonesnixman, modprobe usbhid12:31
LinuxJonesnixman, that should be loaded by default12:32
WeirdAlknow a way of stopping it asking me for y/n for each file?12:32
neighborleeim' running the ut2k4 installer via : sh linux-installer.sh..its working but i'm not getting the nice 'loki' gui installer..instead I get what looks like ncurses ( ugly)...why is it doing this ? ;-))???12:32
stuNNedneighborlee: that is the new installer ;)12:32
neighborleehaha yeah right ..funnny <<<12:32
LinuxJonesWeirdAl, during an upgrade ?12:33
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LinuxJonesWeirdAl, sorry12:33
nixmanLinuxJones, i restarted hotplug after loading the module still no life !12:33
WeirdAlNo, just normal FTP There are 86 files in here and it's asking for confirmation on12:33
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WeirdAlall of them.12:33
stuNNedompaul: hah!12:34
WeirdAlI want to go to bed :-p12:34
TetrisMasterhow can i ghange vga parametes?12:34
LinuxJonesnixman, unplug then plug back in your usb mouse then tail /var/log/messages12:34
stuNNedTetrisMaster: what parameters?12:34
LinuxJonesnixman, is there any power to your mouse ?12:34
LinuxJonesnixman, is it an optical ?12:35
nixmanLinuxJones, no light at all .. and still no logs12:35
NermalWeirdAl, type prompt12:35
nixmanLinuxJones, yes12:35
farruinnany warty users have their mouse turn black randomly?12:35
LinuxJonesnixman, argh....it's not like shut off in bios by accident or somthing :D12:35
ompaulWeirdAl, okay stop the transfer and type prompt - this toggles that effect12:35
ompaulohh12:35
WeirdAlthanks guys :-)12:35
WeirdAlIt's a learning experience in here!12:36
nixmanLinuxJones, cant be works fine under xp on the same box (a laptop)12:36
WeirdAlI'm going to bed12:36
LinuxJonesnixman, usb suppor tis usually awesome in linux wth is going on12:36
WeirdAlThanks all for any help I may or may not have received today.12:36
nixmanLinuxJones, no idea as well !12:37
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LinuxJonesnixman, I wish I had an answer for you12:38
nixmanLinuxJones, i just tried all the 3 usb ports. has to do with software12:38
LinuxJonesnixman, what kind of motherboard do you have ?12:38
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ompaulI doubt if it is of use in the real world12:38
nixmanLinuxJones, no idea its a brand new laptop. compaz presario r344012:38
LinuxJonesnixman, god who knows what hardware they have in that :(12:39
nixmanLinuxJones, usb controller from nvidia12:39
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LinuxJonesnixman, you have one of those nforce thingy's ?12:39
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LinuxJonesnixman, lspci might off a clue12:40
nixmanLinuxJones, yup nforce3 2 are 1.1 and one looks like 2.012:40
nixmanLinuxJones, i just did that ...12:40
LinuxJonesnixman, that's a start let me search google12:40
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Nermal:)12:41
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photoguy41does anyone know of a good place to get login screens and backgrounds?12:42
ompaulphotoguy41, apart from generating them yourself you can get "gnome" themes12:42
photoguy41where?12:43
Nermalart.gnome.org12:43
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tritiumand http://www.gnome-look.org/12:43
photoguy41i would love to set up my own themes, but that seems hard12:43
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ompaulphotoguy41, well do what you can one step at a time - only make small adjustments12:44
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photoguy41how would you make your own icons?12:44
shock<photoguy41> i would love to set up my own themes, but that seems hard -- not hard... just time consuming12:44
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ompaulNermal, that was several orders of magnatitude faster than I could have typed it12:44
photoguy41yeah, thats what i ment12:45
Nermalompaul, and I've been drinking :)12:45
shock<photoguy41> gimp12:45
ompaulNermal, coffee?12:45
Nermalbeer :)12:45
ompaulahh12:45
Nermalor inkscape12:45
Nermalfor vector stuff12:45
ompaulNermal, would you use vector stuff for icons?12:46
ompaulNermal, or more to the point12:46
photoguy41what size would i make them?12:46
Nermalfor svg you would12:46
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Nermalompaul, jakub has some thoughts on inkscape in his blog12:46
ompaulNermal, actually I now see the logic, not a bad idea12:46
ompaulat al12:47
ompaulall even12:47
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ompaulphotoguy41, well you would make them the size that suits your desktop12:47
Nermalompaul, :)12:47
Nermalicons. uh... make them big and shrink them down12:47
photoguy41yeah12:47
Nermal64x64, 32x32, 24x2412:47
Nermaletc12:47
ompaulphotoguy41, what Nermal actaully said12:48
photoguy41is there a program i would use for GDM's?12:48
Nermalgimp12:48
aardvarkhas anyone here tried to upgrade to hoary via apt/synaptic12:48
Nermalthere is probably an xcf template floating around12:48
Nermalaardvark, aye12:48
Nermalvia apt12:48
LinuxJonesaardvark, yeah12:49
photoguy41aardvark?12:49
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dilouhello evrybody12:49
aardvarkactually I need to get a list of the apt entries to do12:49
stuNNedompaul: lol :)12:49
nixmanLinuxJones, i'll catch up with you later if you find anything ... this is puzzling me. wife cannot wait longer :-)12:49
stuNNedhi dilou12:49
LinuxJonesnixman, :)12:50
dilouhi stuNNed12:50
diloui want some help12:50
LinuxJoneswelcome dilou12:50
diloui begin with linux12:50
diloui m not very good12:50
dilouand i want to install12:50
dilouthe jre12:50
dilouwith mozilla firefox12:50
dilouand i don't know how to do12:50
aardvarkwhere can I get a list of entries for apt in order to upgrade to hoary ?12:50
dilou... please help me12:50
ompaulNermal, and just for fun my wife actually is running ubuntu on her first computer - I must change over one of these days12:50
dilouthx LinuxJones...12:51
ompaulstuNNed, what has you laughing so much?12:51
Quest-Masterdilou: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/12:51
dilouok thx Quest-Master12:51
stuNNedompaul: apt-getting makes me happy?12:51
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ompaulstuNNed, yeah :)12:51
Nermaldilou, ubuntuguide.org/#jre12:52
LinuxJonesdilou, I don't know if this might help also >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=jre12:52
Nermalworked for me :)12:52
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aardvarkhoary apt entries anyone ?12:52
dilouthk u very much LinuxJones and Nermal12:52
poofyhairhello12:52
Nermalaardvark, um.. just switch warty for hoary12:52
Nermallo poofyhair :)12:52
kroonAny news on wether Mono will be supported in hoary ?12:53
Nermalumm. it's in hoary12:53
Nermalnot sure what you mean by supported12:53
aardvarkNermal, that simple......its too simple12:53
photoguy41what program is used to edit xml files12:53
Nermalaardvark, thats what I thought12:53
Nermalit worked though12:53
kroonNermal, its in universe, not in main, that is it is not supported12:53
ompaulphotoguy41, you can use any editor to do that12:53
Nermalthen do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade12:53
Nermalkroon, ah12:53
aardvarkNermal, thanks12:54
photoguy41when i try to open it in gimp it wont let me12:54
Nermalaardvark, best do it without X running12:54
poofyhairthere is a troll Ubuntu review on Os news12:54
Nermalheh12:54
LinuxJonespoofyhair, what's the link ?12:54
poofyhairhttp://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=979312:54
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DeusYhello12:55
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ompaulphotoguy41, one of the things about ubuntu and linux in general is that there are many ways to do a job, if I was to edit files of that kind I would most likely use bluefish but that is me12:55
photoguy41im going to have to read about it12:56
photoguy41thanks for your help12:56
Nermal"I tried to play a Metallica DVD but Totem, the software provided, threw up its hands and instantly admitted defeat. I know that the code to read DVDs is available, but apparently not in the Gnome world."12:56
Nermalwhat a complete tard12:56
DeusYi need to reinstall from it's cd the Warty release. The current instalation has been updated in time. Where can I find the update files to backup so that I will not need to download them again ?12:56
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Da1hello all12:56
NermalDeusY, /var/cache/apt/archives12:56
Da1i need some help big time12:57
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DeusYNermal thanks12:57
aleitner_how can i register a new inet protocol with a new application?12:57
Da1can someone help me please?12:57
Nermalwell.. whats the problem12:57
Nermaldon't make us work for the info as well as giving you an answer12:57
aleitner_there used to be a capplet in gnome-control-center to do that, but with gnome 2.10 i cannot seem to find it anymore...12:57
LinuxJonespoofyhair, they don't even have proper grammar in that article12:58
Da1i have 2 HDD's, the master has windows xp on it and the slave has this ubuntu os on it, i think, well i want top have a dual boot screen so i can boot into winxp when i want12:58
poofyhairdamn, this article makes me mad.......:(12:58
Nermalalainm, I presume that would be some mime.conf file ;|12:58
poofyhair2 seconds in the Ubuntu guide would have fixed everything12:58
Nermalpoofyhair, aye.. one more retard to add to the list :/12:58
LinuxJonespoofyhair, "It was not happy with my choices and only allowed my to continue with the installation after I had also formatted my /home partition."12:58
Nermala metallica dvd.. I ask you...12:58
ompaulpoofyhair, so do not get mad get even - write a rebuttal12:58
Da1i have 2 HDD's, the master has windows xp on it and the slave has this ubuntu os on it, i think, well i want top have a dual boot screen so i can boot into winxp when i want12:59
robodexI know one guy who wrote ubuntu off because he said the apt repository sucked12:59
robodexand I asked him if he enabled universe12:59
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robodexhe didn't12:59
Spotlighthello?12:59
NermalDa1, it should have spotted it12:59
Spotlightdoes this work?12:59
AngryClipis it possible to have a different wallpaper on each of my virtual desktops?12:59
Nermalif not add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst12:59
ompaulSpotlight, does what work?12:59
Da1well it instantly goes into ubuntu12:59
NermalSpotlight, no12:59
Spotlightok, good01:00
Spotlightlol01:00
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Spotlightjust checking01:00
Da1nermal how can i make sure it has not overwritten my winxp wdd?01:00
NermalDa1, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/<mountpoint> ?01:00
Da1im new to this01:00
Da1:/01:00
Spotlighti need help with my installation of ubuntu on a really old computer01:00
Da1what do i do?01:00
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Spotlightanyone want to help me01:01
Spotlightplease01:01
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ompaulDa1, I suppose if you typed df you could see if where / was like in my case the returned information is  /dev/hda3             45311744   5519708  37490324  13% / you will note the /dev/hda part if you have that in your table you might just have01:02
NermalSpotlight, ffs.. whats wrong01:02
TetrisMasterDoes any1 in here know much about "Vector Linux" i have a C:\\ drive in NTFS 80gigs, and a D:\\ drive FAT32 120 gigs, i want to load up vector linux on my C:\\ drive....will vector linux automatically promt me to create partitions when loading...and will that partition method result in loss of original data?01:02
Spotlightok01:02
Da1nermal its mounted at /dev/hdb101:02
Nermaloh01:02
Spotlighti tried installing ubuntu on a 166 mhz computer with 32m of ram01:02
Nermalright.. bedtime01:02
Spotlighti did the custom install01:02
NermalSpotlight, eep.. I had trouble with 32mb ram01:02
TetrisMasteri am running XP, and do not have Partition Magic01:02
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neighborleesudo ./linux-installer.sh01:02
neighborleesudo: unable to execute ./linux-installer.sh: Permission denied ???01:02
Spotlightit locks up everytime and starts looping a thing that tells me it enters low memory mode01:03
Nermalneighborlee, chmod 755 linux-installer.sh ?01:03
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neighborleeNermal, I can't its on disk01:03
mike998chmod +x linux-installer.sh01:03
Nermalo01:03
neighborleebut thx just the same01:03
diloudoesn't work ...01:03
Da1ompaul it says /dev/hdb101:03
diloui m so sad01:03
Spotlighti want to make a web server (very simple one), would you recomend a different version of linux01:03
ompaulneighborlee, sudo sh linux-installer.sh01:03
Spotlighti don't want to find ram for this old thing01:03
Nermaldilou, ?01:04
dilouyes Nermal01:04
dilouit doesn't work01:04
ompaulDa1, so you did not over write the first partition01:04
ompaulDa1, so you did not over write the first drive even01:04
Da1so why cant i boot into win xp01:04
Nermaloh.. it worked fine for me01:04
TetrisMastercan anyone help me in Vector Linux version 5.0 SOHO??01:04
Nermalfollowing the guide01:04
Da1is there a way to make a dual boot screen?01:04
ompaulDa1, cd /boot/grub01:04
neighborleeompaul, k ill try that01:04
dilouyes i try to do so but doesn t work Nermal01:04
NermalTetrisMaster, why would we be able to answer vector linux questions in an ubuntu linux channel?01:05
ompaulDa1, cat menu.lst01:05
Da1ok ompaulim there01:05
Nermaldilou, an error message would be nice01:05
neighborleeompaul, well that worked..its loading but I stilll get the nasty ncurses GUI instead of the nice 'loki' one .sigh ;(01:05
TetrisMasterdont know....dont know many other linux channels01:05
Nermalif you actually want some help01:05
SpotlightCAN ANYONE RECOMEND SOME VERSION OF LINUX TO WORK ON AN OLD COMPUTER, I MEAN VERY OLD01:05
diloubut it is in french Nermal01:05
Spotlightubuntu seems to lock up01:05
NermalSpotlight, don't shout01:05
Da1ompaul i have entered that01:05
ompaulSpotlight, don't should please, you will not get an answer that way01:05
Spotlighti am not shouting01:05
NermalSpotlight, debian probably01:05
Spotlightok01:05
ompaulSpotlight, capitals are shouting in irc :)01:06
Spotlightok01:06
Spotlightnever used irc, sorry01:06
Spotlightjust wanted to make it stand out01:06
Spotlight:)01:06
TetrisMasterwhere is a linux help channel?01:06
Nermal#linuxhelp?01:06
ompaulDa1, in there can you see an amount of seconds01:06
Plukdebian minimal install and then something like fluxbox or icewm as windowmanager01:06
TetrisMasterok01:06
Spotlightahhh01:06
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Spotlightok01:06
pblogicHello there!01:06
Spotlightwell, where can i get that (i am new)01:07
Spotlighti have a debian install disk01:07
Spotlightthen what01:07
Da1ompaul, a timeout bit?01:07
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Plukyou better read the debian install docs on www.debian.org01:07
poofyhairnot debian01:07
ompaulDa1, yes increase that for a start so that it will not "straight away"!01:07
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poofyhairdo an ubuntu custom install01:07
pblogicHi there guys, mind if I ask a couple of questions?01:07
Spotlighti tried that01:07
Plukbut ubuntu costum givs you minimal too01:07
Spotlightit hangs everytime01:07
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Da1ompaulk its set on 3 seconds already :/01:08
poofyhairhttp://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html01:08
aardvarkI am doing a apt-get dist-upgrade and getting "the following packages have been kept back" ????01:08
Plukwhats really old btw?01:08
ompaulDa1, make it 10 seconds01:08
Da1ok01:08
Spotlight166 Mhz, 32 m Ram01:08
Da1how? :P01:08
aardvarkgoing warty -> hoary01:08
Spotlight2.6 GB01:08
Plukaardvark, some packages are broken and have been kept back so then wont break you comp01:08
Spotlightis that too old01:08
pblogicI decided to try ubuntu. I can't get X to start, and couldnt with mandrake either. However knoppix runs fine, and I had a nice install of mepis running well, even to the pointof running world of warcraft on it. However on some other distros I cant get the x server running. Im pretty new... any ideas?01:08
Plukprolly will get fixed in a day01:08
ompaulDa1, now that your there can you tell me if you have title         Windows?01:09
pblogicAlso, I am pretty unclear on how to login as a superuser in ubuntu, or get the nvidia driver from the command line?01:09
Spotlightso is debian the one i should try to run01:09
shock<pblogic> boot knoppix - copy the XF86Config and use it on ubuntu as a "guide"01:09
pblogicOk, im in knoppix right now01:09
shock<pblogic> sudo bash should give you a root shell01:10
shock:P01:10
poofyhairthen your only hope is like...............Damn Small Linux01:10
Da1yes ompaul i have title        windows 95/98/NP/200001:10
shock;)01:10
poofyhairhttp://www.damnsmalllinux.org/01:10
Plukdebian will do on that01:10
ompaulDa1, has it a # in front of it?01:10
pblogicso, I would just type sudo bash?01:10
shockDSL is noice01:10
Da1yes ompaul01:10
Spotlightwill damn small linux work with apache and other stuff needed for a server01:10
shocktried it a week ago =)01:10
pblogicthanks! sorry im still quite a newb01:10
ghitajust upgraded to openoffice2 and when i try to open or to save openoffice freez.Please help01:10
shocknp01:10
Plukdunno if it will a gui normally :)01:11
ompaulDa1, well clear out those # in that section reboot and see what happens01:11
Spotlightoh well01:11
Plukicewm orlly01:11
Plukprolly*01:11
Da1ok how do i clear them #'s?01:11
Spotlightare there install instruction for that stuff anywhere01:11
poofyhairDamn Small is debian, made for old machines01:11
ompaulDa1, well how did you increase to 10 the timeout?01:11
Spotlightahhh01:11
pblogicalso, on mepis I could not find the kernel source anywhere. is the kernel source availible for ubuntu? I need it to do a proper install of the  nvidia driver01:11
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Spotlighti think i miht try it01:11
ElementalDragonhello01:11
poofyhairlike Ubuntu for the old01:11
Spotlightmight01:11
Spotlightlol01:12
Da1i havent yet ompaul01:12
Spotlightcan it run a GUI01:12
Da1not sure how to :P01:12
poofyhairAnd for Minicds01:12
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Spotlightcan it run a  GUI01:12
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ElementalDragoni kinda have a problem that i'm hoping someone may be able to help me with01:12
poofyhairit uses Flux I think by default01:12
hyperbolepeople, I'm in trouble01:12
S1nn3rgah, when i tryed to change the login screen it messed up.. and now the logout menuitem doesnt work01:12
Spotlightahhh01:12
Spotlightok, thank you poofyhair01:12
aardvarkso I did the dist-upgrade but it still says Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" ?01:12
hyperboleI somehow have *not* created a root password01:12
Spotlighti will worship you forever01:12
Spotlightlol01:12
poofyhairNo prob. good Luck.01:12
Spotlightty01:13
ompaulDa1, sticking out your tounge at a person who is helping and feeling like he has been dragged though a swamp backwards really boosts his commitment :)01:13
hyperboleand now I can *not* login to my root account01:13
aardvarkI expect Hoary the Hairmaster01:13
poofyhairDid you sudo apt-get update?01:13
shock<hyperbole> sudo bash01:13
shocknarf01:13
Dave2Hey. I asked this yesterday, but my wifi died about 2 seconds after. Are there any plans for Xorg 6.8.2 to be included in Ubuntu Hoary, or will I have to rely on custom packages?01:13
ompaulDa1, so can you use vi?01:13
shockor sudo passwd even01:13
Da1lol sorry i think of the tounge as a silly messing around emoticon lol dont take it the wrong way matey01:13
Dave2(I've probably missed some obvious page with the info on, as normal)01:13
ElementalDragonhow can i get the Ubuntu installer to detect one of my 2 disc drives?01:13
Da1whats vi??01:13
Da1im very new to this01:14
aardvarkso it appears the upgrade from warty to hoary did not work01:14
farruinnDa1: we are not a search engine, you can look that one up01:14
hyperbolesudo bash asks me for my password01:14
aardvarkwtheck01:14
pblogicisnt it dangerous to give any user the ability to execute commands as root?01:14
shockvi is the pain version of vim (the greatest editor ever)01:14
hyperbolewhich isn't there, and this is the problem01:14
hyperbolevi is an editor01:14
ompaulDa1, I did end the line with :) which might indicate that you should not take what I said too seriously01:14
aardvarkvi rox01:14
hyperboleyou would better use nano :)01:14
ompaulDa1, vi is an editor01:14
Da1lol ok :P :D01:14
shock<hyperbole> Your password01:14
Dave2vim > vi!01:14
shockof your primary user (the one during installation)01:14
aardvarkDave2 if(edit){vi}01:15
hyperboleyeah... I kindof forgot.... :)01:15
Da1ok so ompaul i go into vi?01:15
ompaulDave2, vi/m ! not emacs :)01:15
hyperboleI don't renember it asking me01:15
ompaulooh dear I am tired01:15
shocku dont have a root password in ubuntu01:15
Dave2vim > emacs > vi01:15
shockjust use sudo01:15
shockand your users pass01:15
aardvarkDave2, to vi is to edit01:15
pblogichmmmm doesnt that mean ANY user can use sudo to execute commands as root?01:15
hyperboledoes it work that way? kool :)01:16
shockno01:16
pblogicwith a root password only I can01:16
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shockonly the ones in the sudoers file01:16
andrewskiwhat's the best way for ubuntu users to get the xchat systray plugin?01:16
pblogicOh ok!01:16
Dave2argh :(01:16
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shock(to edit this file use 'visudo')01:16
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ompaulDa1, okay type "vi menu.lst"01:16
aardvarkanyone ideas why my hoary upg failed ?01:16
ElementalDragonthe Ubuntu installer won't recognize my Asus CD-RW drive, or my Lite-ON DVD+/-RW drive01:16
pblogichmmm sorry to bother again, but I cant seem to find the XF86Config on the knoppix cd.. where would it be located?01:16
Da1ok done ompaul01:17
shockin /etc/X11/XF86Config-401:17
shocksomething like that01:17
hyperboleehm... that isn't allowed, either01:17
mseneyis it bad practice to have sudo not prompt for a password and furthermore is that even possible to accomplish?01:17
mjrumm, I rather doubt that the CD contains an XF86Config01:17
ompaulDa1, type "/Windows" and hit enter01:17
hyperbolemseney: that is bad practice :)01:17
mjrit probably has to be generated on the fly01:17
pblogicUmmm... if it doesnt then how do I get a gui?01:17
mseneyk01:18
shock<hyperbole> - are you logged in as the user u set up the system with?01:18
ompaulDa1, hit the home key01:18
pblogicThen where is it stored?01:18
Dave2/etc/X11/01:18
hyperboleno, well I did make a bit of a trouble, perhaps01:18
pblogicbecause I can get an xserver running on  knoppix and mepis but not ubuntu01:18
hyperboleI just started the installation01:18
ompaulDa1, are you with me?01:18
pblogicYes, but im runnig on a CD... if it isnt stored on the cd, then where would it be?01:18
pblogicsee what I mean?01:18
Dave2generated at boot and stored in a ramdisk01:19
Dave2?01:19
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pblogicmjr said it wouoldnt be on the cd01:19
hyperboleand I created a user account on the fly by chrooting to /target in the second terminal01:19
shockin the ramdisk knoppix has created01:19
hyperboleand I'm using that account right now01:19
mseneyhyperbole, how good is Ubuntu w/ setting up a dual boot system Ex) Windows XP and Ubuntu. just curious cuz one time i was installing suse 9.1 and almost messed up my partition table01:19
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mseneyhyperbole, i hate having xp but my GF uses it and she isn't fond of linux heh01:19
shock<pblogic> - knoppix installs into a "ramdisk" - so just look at /etc/X11/01:19
pblogicany idea how to get to the ramdisck?01:19
thenukehuh, if I try to remove ppp with synaptic, it will remove ubuntu-base also :O01:19
Dave2It'll be mounted as /01:20
shock<mseney> done it 5 times now01:20
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shocknever ever any problem01:20
hyperboleslack does this very well, as well01:20
shock:)01:20
Plukthenuke, ubuntu-base is just a meta package , its safe to unsinstall ppp01:20
shockk - I'll be back... need a smoke - this conversations here are sooooo confusing :P01:20
thenukePluk: ah, okey then.01:21
Plukits a container that lists all subpackages01:21
Plukinstalling ubuntu-base again gives you ppp also01:21
hyperboleso, in other words, I'm still in trouble :)01:21
thenukeand what might the difference between remove package and completely remove01:21
chuggadoes ubuntu come with wifi tools like kismet?01:21
farruinncompletely remove gets rid of the config files as well01:22
thenukeroger, thanks01:22
aardvarkanyone ideas why my hoary upg failed ?01:22
aardvarkuhh I am not seeing the light ?01:22
Plukwhats the error you get aardvark ?01:22
aardvarkno error01:23
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hyperboleis there a way to find out what account I installed ubuntu with?01:23
aardvarkhow do I determine if upg success ?01:23
Plukremember hoary is still beta and contantly being worked on01:23
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aardvarkI am on cmmd line01:23
chuggayo someone answer me dammit01:23
pblogicwhere is the kernel source stored in ubuntu?01:23
Plukin /usr/src pblogic01:24
pblogicthanks!01:24
Plukif it is installed01:24
aardvarkchugga, whats up01:24
pblogichow do I isntall it if its not? apt-get?01:24
Plukyes01:24
S1nn3rwhen i first ran Ubuntu Gnome didnt have the "wait ages till the logout dialog apears" issue, and now it does01:24
S1nn3r:/01:24
chuggaaardvark, hey man, just wondering if ubuntu comes with wifi tools like kismet,01:24
aardvarkpblogic, use the tarball01:24
Hiryu_what's up with gcc-3.4 for ubuntu? I don't see it as installable01:24
pblogicI dont know how  yet :)01:24
Hiryu_apt-cache search shows no gcc-3.4 packages :(01:24
Plukaardvark, ctrl+clt+F1 on top youll see what you running01:25
Plukalt*01:25
aardvarkPluk, says warty01:25
Hiryu_do I need a better sources.list?01:25
aardvarkthats the problem01:25
aardvarkI expected Hoary01:25
aardvarkbloody 'ell01:25
Hiryu_is ubuntu compatable with the regular debian repositories?01:26
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Plukthen do a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade01:26
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farruinnHiryu_: that's in the faq01:27
aardvarkPluk, thats what I did01:27
aardvarknada luck01:27
Plukbroken packages01:28
Hiryu_thanks01:28
aardvarkPluk, many were kept back01:28
Pluksome packages are broken and have been kept back so then wont break you comp01:28
aardvarkok01:28
aardvarkI'll leave it01:28
Plukit will be fixed in a few hours prolly01:28
Plukmaybe a day01:28
aardvarkchugga, yes kismet and other tools avail01:29
TetrisMasterwil QTparted make a partition on NTFS file format without messing up data in other partitions on that drive?01:29
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hyperboleno01:29
aardvarkchugga, dwnld kismet and compile01:30
Hiryu_does ubuntu just not have higher than gcc-3.2?01:30
hyperbolethat is to say, don't trust linux ntfs support01:30
farruinnHiryu_: are you in hoary or warty?01:30
TetrisMasterhow can i partition my MS partition to run linux01:30
Hiryu_far: warty, which is more recent?01:30
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farruinnHiryu_: actually I have 3.3 and 3.4 in warty01:31
farruinnhoary is recent, but in development01:31
TetrisMasteran 80gig NTFS C:\\ drive all one partition...i want to make a 40gig partition holding a 1024mb swap space, and all the rest as my Root, and Home01:31
Hiryu_so it's like debian's sid?01:31
farruinnyeah01:31
akmodihi----I'm a newbie01:32
Plukits sometimes newer then debian unstable01:32
akurashyhello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash01:32
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farruinnPluk: I htink he means in the sense that sid will eventually become stable as will hoary01:32
nysinIf I'm running Debian unstable and interested in moving more completely from python2.3 to python2.4, yet find various packages (most of which just reference "python", which depends on "python2.3", but one of which, libsvn0, explicitly depends on python2.3), how safe is it for my install and as regards screwing up other packages to add ubuntu's python-dependent packages?01:32
nysin(I guess that would be the subversion stuff and the python virtual package01:32
Hiryu_far: so if I switch from warty to hoary, and I'm already experienced with sid, the world won't explode, right?01:32
Plukyeah i understood but wanted to point out the freshness :)01:33
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akmodiI have just installed Ubuntu----but my Creative ISA sound card does not get recognised---can anyone help?01:33
farruinnHiryu_: you'd probably be fine01:33
Hiryu_far: eeeexcellent01:33
eboneHey guys.01:33
Plukaardvark had problems upgrading to hoary right now01:33
eboneanyone gotten mod_mono working with apache2 on Ubuntu ?01:33
farruinnPluk: I understand, I like bragging about Ubuntu too =)01:33
Hiryu_far: does it have xorg 6.8+?01:34
Plukso i guess upgrading to hoary is broken right now01:34
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farruinnHiryu_: no idea, there's an unofficial website that's like packages.debian.org or you could browse around archive.ubuntu.com01:34
Plukfarruinn, yeah me2 :D01:34
aardvarkyeah I will try tomorrow01:35
Plukactually there is a site somewhere01:35
Hiryu_far: cool... I still don't have gcc-3.4, I think my sources.list is pretty sparse01:35
Plukunofficial though01:35
farruinnHiryu_: perhaps you need the warty-updates repository01:35
foznoti am having problems giving proper permissions to another user so they can use sudo01:35
Hiryu_I'll try that...01:35
foznotany suggestions on how to correct that01:35
farruinnfoznot: you're using visudo?01:35
aardvarkTetrisMaster, u need something like partion manager01:35
Plukhttp://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/01:36
aardvarkto resize partition01:36
foznotvisudo...i have no idea what that is01:36
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TetrisMasteri know...but partition magic costs $70 bucks....01:36
S1nn3ranyone else here have a problem with the login dialog taking far to long to show up after you select logout ?01:36
foznoti thought i added her  to root and sudo group01:36
foznotbut still no luck01:36
aardvarkTetrisMaster, thats the problem yes01:37
farruinnfoznot: actually, forget what I said, just 'sudo [editor]  /etc/sudoers' and copy the last line for this other user01:37
aardvarkits not OpenSource01:37
aardvarkbecause its Microsoft related01:37
S1nn3rsorry.. the logout dialog01:37
nysin"because it's Microsoft related"?01:37
foznotgotcha, sudo vim01:37
andrewskiin hoary, where did the synaptic icon go (as of an update today)?01:37
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aardvarkTetrisMaster, u there I think I found soemthing for u01:38
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aardvarkhere is a way to do it http://www.hut.fi/~tkarvine/linux-windows-dual-boot-resizing-ntfs.htmlrn01:39
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TetrisMasterill check it out01:39
alexander_hey, can you install regular programs and games onto ubuntu?01:39
aardvarkthe program is NTFSResize01:39
aardvarkmust dash bye all fellow Ubuntu'ers01:40
aardvarklive long and prosper01:41
Plukalexander_, if you mean windows apps then  you can install wine , or buy cedega for games01:41
alexander_cedega?01:41
alexander_wine?01:41
alexander_lol01:41
alexander_(im such a noob to linux)01:41
Pluk:)01:41
Plukwine can be a pain though most of the time01:41
andrewskialexander_: make google yours. :)01:42
marcin_antjdub: ping01:42
alexander_what is it t hough?01:42
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andrewskialexander_: it's not an emulator. :)01:42
andrilhello all01:42
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nysinEnter 'wine' in Google.01:42
alexander_wait, what? what is wine?01:42
alexander_is it a program?01:42
borgistawine is not a windows emulator.01:42
Plukyup01:42
borgistait's an emulator.01:42
Slask3nwhy is my gaim crashing when the computer has been inactive and in powersave mode?01:42
chuggai dont want to download kismet,01:42
andrewskiborgista: winwe?01:42
chuggai want to run off the cd......................01:42
andrewski;P01:42
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nysinI love how it's co-opted hundreds (thousands?) of years of fermented alcoholic beverages to take the top two spots.01:43
farruinnchugga: you mean livecd?01:43
alexander_so i just do apt-get install wine01:43
alexander_right?01:43
Plukkismet is in universe so its not on the cd01:43
Slask3nwww.winehq.com01:43
alexander_k thx01:43
dstevensWine = Open Source implementation of the Windows API01:43
basculehttp://fraknkscorner.org <-- good wine site laso01:44
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chuggafabbione, yes, i do01:44
andrilcan someone help me tell what builb of Ubuntu I am running?01:44
alexander_so wait, does wine work with ubuntu though?01:44
borgistayes, alexander.01:44
borgistabut WINE isn't that great.01:44
basculefrankscorner.org01:45
alexander_is there a better substitute for wine then?01:45
basculeoops :)01:45
andrilWINE actually sucks01:45
borgistai'd just forget about Windows emulation on linux.01:45
basculeit does you know01:45
borgistapersonally01:45
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Plukbetter subst. is vmware01:45
Plukits not free though :)01:45
dstevensTransGaming is developing improvements to the Wine project to achieve full Linux compatibility for games developed using the Microsoft DirectX APIs01:45
alexander_that sux01:46
dstevensWhy you would want to run windows apps on a nix* is beyond me though01:46
alexander_so the best freeware program is wine?01:46
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alexander_like, i wanna install all my old programs onto linux and all my games as well01:47
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Plukdstevens, some apps arent ported01:47
Pluki would love to see solidworks4linux  :)01:47
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dstevensOld Programs nix alternatives, Games are for consoles imho.01:48
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Slask3nwhen i leave my computer inactive for a couple hours or over the night, the GAIM has crashed and is no longer running.. :s what can i do t prevent this?01:48
dstevensAs they proberly will not run how you expect them to.01:48
sysopEasy question...except for me...what directory is my Linux kernel source code located?01:48
Pluksysop, /usr/src01:48
sysopPluk: Thank you very much!! :-)01:48
Plukyw01:49
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Slask3nwhen i leave my computer inactive for a couple hours or over the night, the GAIM has crashed and is no longer running.. :s what can i do t prevent this?01:49
PlukSlask3n, open gaim in a terminal and let it run for hours01:50
nysinSo, would selectively importing two ubuntu packages into debian unstable screw things up?01:50
Slask3npluk: ??01:50
Plukwhen it crashes it will maybe produce some output01:50
Slask3naah...01:50
Slask3nok01:50
Slask3n:)01:50
Slask3nPluk: thank you :)01:50
Pluknp01:50
bikis it possible to get my nforce3 mobo working without closed nvidia drivers? warty/hoary both don't recognize the built in nic01:51
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Pluknysin, if they are just apps then no, but if they are OS specific then maybe01:51
nysinlibsvn0 and the "python" virtual package01:51
nysinNot really applications, but not core sytem stuff either.01:52
dstevensbik: Not without the closed drivers.01:52
nysinI should be able to use debian's "python2.4" directly01:52
bikok, thanks dstevens01:52
Pluklibsvn0 wont prolly break it01:52
Plukpython dunno01:52
biki wonder how I will be able to build the modules sans gcc01:52
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Plukbik you need the forcedeth module01:53
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Plukis that module loaded?01:53
biklet me check01:53
bikyeah, it is01:53
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Plukwhat does ifup eth0 give?01:54
S1nn3ranyone else here have a problem with the logout dialog taking far to long to show up after you select logout from the Computer menu ??01:54
bika bunch of 'message too long' errors01:54
Plukifconfig shows only lo right?01:55
bikit shows eth0 as well, but most of the fields aren't filled in, e.g. hardware address01:55
Plukhmmm thats weird01:55
andrewskiwhen you install a new WM/DE, do you have to restart GDM or can you just use a new login (i.e. gdmflexiserver)?01:56
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dstevensS1nn3r, It does takes time on my 500mhz embedded system, think the cause is mainly due to the screen trying to cycle thought the colours to light to dark01:57
Plukmaybe the logs say something usefull bik01:57
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S1nn3rdstevens: its before it does that cycle thing01:57
bikwhere can I find those01:57
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dstevensOnce it has done the cycle it then prompts the logout option, yup i do agree it can be a little slow on small systems01:58
dstevensPersonally i do not see the reason for the cycle thingy ma jiggy.01:59
bikhmm02:00
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biksomewhere in my fiddling it is now seeing the HwAddr, but dhcp doesn't resolve02:00
biki guess it's on discovery that the message too long error comes up02:01
S1nn3rdstevens: no with me what it is is its takeing to long even before it does the cycle thingy, i had the same problem with a gentoo instalation and found out quite a few people had the problem but no fix02:02
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bikhrmm..02:04
LithiWhats using port 80 with a default installation of warty, or whats not allowing me to run a shoutcast server on port 8002:04
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bikso dhcp won't discover, but I can set my ip manually, which lets me ping google.com, but the browser still doesn't work. Is there a firewall enabled by default in ubuntu?02:05
Plukbik, in /etc/resolv.conf you have to add the nameservers02:05
Xenguybik: no firewall by default02:05
Plukah wait nevermind02:06
chuggaok ubuntu,02:06
chuggathanks for nothing,02:06
Plukyou can ping a url02:06
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Plukyur welcome chugga....02:06
eboneanybody mod_mono working with apache2 on Ubuntu ?02:06
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ebonehey guys, is there a mailing list ?02:07
S1nn3rLinux is proveing to be just as much of a pain in the arse (for diffrent reasons mind you) as Win XP MCE is to get working right on this system :/02:07
Plukebone,  i guess not since there is no libapache2-mod-mono02:07
bik.  /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver entries and search blah.comcast.net, which sounds right02:07
Pluknot in ubuntu at least02:07
LithiOk users cant bind anything to port 80, must be root02:08
Plukyeah bik thats why i said nevermind :)02:08
eboneyeah.02:08
Plukeverythin below 1024 are are for root to be binded only02:08
ebonei thought maybe somebody had gotten adventurous and compiled it themselves.02:08
ebonei'm trying to do that right now but i hit a snafu.02:08
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pyrohotdogHey, I have a question...02:09
pyrohotdogIf there is anyone in here...02:09
Plukebone, its possible though just check google02:10
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Plukjust ask pyrohotdog :)02:10
pyrohotdogha...02:11
pyrohotdogDoes anyone knoe why I can't get my resolution above 1024x768?02:11
pyrohotdog*know02:11
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Plukif you change res are higher resolutions listed?02:12
ebonePluk: you think that's what that mono-apache-server package is ?02:12
eboneit's hard to tell, but i may try that.02:12
Plukebone, no thats for apache1 i think02:13
pyrohotdogWell I'm on 1024, and I want to go up to 1280....02:13
eboneyeah, your right.02:13
ebonedamn.02:13
pyrohotdogBut it doesn't give me the option.02:13
stodgeAre live cds of hoary produced on a regular basis for testing purposes?02:13
Plukpyrohotdog, you have to edit /etc/X11/XFconfig-402:13
Plukand add more resolutions02:14
pyrohotdogOoohhh....okay.02:14
tritiumBeyond changing ESD to ALSA in Multimedia Systems Output, how do I prevent ESD from running at every login?02:14
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ebonePluk: would you chance just installing the debian package ?02:14
ebonehow bad can you screw things up ?02:15
Pluknot very bad i think02:15
Plukno guarantee though :)02:15
pyrohotdogWanna give me an example of what that would look like....? :)02:15
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Plukmy only res is 1400x1050 so the file says:         Modes       "1400x1050"02:16
pyrohotdogI see, what depth would I put it under?02:16
Plukto add something you edit it to         Modes       "1400x1050" "1280x1024"02:16
Pluk2402:16
Plukor edit them all02:17
pyrohotdogOkay, let's see how this works....02:17
Plukbut you prolly want to run at highest depth02:17
Pluk:)02:17
pyrohotdogOh..?02:18
tritiumgoddamn fucking esound02:18
pyrohotdoglol02:18
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Plukdang just wanted to type the esound thingy02:19
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usualhey AndyFitz :)02:20
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pyrohotdogHa, worked. Thanks guys.02:20
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Plukyw02:21
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theeotadoes anyone here know how to fix a problem with warty warthog concerning not finding screens - I installed but i cant load the GUI02:22
neighborleewondering if they changed the automounted system in hoary ( udev and project utopia ?) b ecause its not working very well atm....thx anyone ;-))02:22
AndyFitzg'day usual02:22
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theeotaanyone?02:23
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|QuaD-any c++/compsci gurus here? i need help!02:23
neighborleetheeota, what gui cant you load02:24
theeotawell when I start the computer, it goes through loading, the in the black screen (prompt I thing) it asks for a username/pass and it blinks twice then says it cant load X or something and that I need to fix it, then it says it cant find any screens02:25
karimwhy does ubuntu have that much succes ?02:25
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theeotai tried reconfiguring with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:25
neighborleetheeota, did you install ati or something..?02:25
theeotasomeone said02:25
zenroxtheeota,  you have a nvidia, ati video card02:25
theeotaand it did nothign02:25
karimI mean I also have a debian on a mac, and I plan to switch it to ubuntu02:25
theeotanvidia02:26
neighborleeoh ok02:26
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karimI have already a ubuntu on a PC02:26
zenroxtheeota, do a modprobe nvidia02:26
theeotahow do you do that02:26
zenroxand then restart x02:26
karimI mean in fact there is not that much difference between ubuntu and debian, what for you is the difference ?02:26
zenroxtheeota,  just like this sudo modprobe nvidia02:26
theeotaspeaking of which, it says somethigng about that when loading, that it failed02:26
neighborleetheeota, ok I bet you forgot to run the nvidia-blah enable code..it must be done or you have to manually edit the xf86config file02:26
neighborleelemme find it02:26
zenroxneighborlee, its sudo nvidia-settings enable02:27
BenbisWonder if someone can help: I can't install Ubuntu. The installation blocks when it gets to identifying and mounting the CD-ROM drive.02:27
neighborleetheeota: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable that one02:27
neighborleetheeota: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable<< that one02:27
neighborleezenrox, yup02:27
theeotaok02:28
BenbisDid a test: tried booting with the live CD, with all HDs disconnected. That worked fine.02:28
theeotaill try that02:28
theeotathx, be back if it doesnt work02:28
neighborleeheh np02:28
zenroxok02:28
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BenbisNo suggestions?02:30
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Slask3nBenbis: You dont have a USB-stick connected?02:31
bikhmm.. i'm stumped. no dhcp, if i manually set the ip, ping works, but nothing else02:32
pyrohotdogAnyone...how can I mount and use my NTFS drive...?02:32
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zenroxbik, are you adding your dns addys to your config02:32
BenbisHmm, usb that's connected is the keyboard and mouse, that's all02:32
zenroxpyrohotdog, read www.ubuntuguide.org02:32
bikzenrox it seems to have them already02:32
zenroxpyrohotdog,  just rember you cant write to ntfs02:33
bikit has basically the same lines that my os x machine does02:33
pyrohotdogOkay.02:33
Slask3nBenbis: Ok, I had the same problem, but then i unplugged my USB-memorythong.. and installed again, then it was no problems...02:33
zenroxbik,  thats odd02:33
bikI can't even get to my router by putting the ip in a browser02:34
Benbisok. Might give a shot at unplugging all the usb stuff then.02:34
zenroxbik,  put your ip of your router in to the dns02:34
zenroxi found that that helps02:34
bik'nameserver 192.168.0.1' like that?02:34
BenbisWhat I can't figure is why it would boot on the live cd though02:34
zenroxyep02:34
bikk02:35
Slask3nmy desktop is USB... and causes no probs.. but it was just the usb-stick02:35
Benbisok. Then I'm really baffled.02:35
Benbisompaul thought it might have to do with my sata hard disks02:35
Benbisbut unplugging them doesn't change a thing02:36
zenroxBenbis, maby the cdrom is going bad or you have cable slect enabed on the drive02:36
zenroxmake the cdrom master or slave depending whare it is on the ide chain02:37
Benbisok. I`ll recheck the cable select again, and if that doesn't do it, I`ll try another cd drive. Got 3 on a shelf, ranging from old to antique. One of them ought to work.02:37
zenroxyep02:38
zenroxi have 4 broken ones hoping up my couch02:38
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zenroxholding02:38
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Benbishehehe... You should have seen the cleanup over the weekend. Discarded a lot of old stuff. Would you believe a 300 bauds modem in the lot. Sheesh02:38
zenroxtheeota,  so it dint work02:39
theeotano02:39
theeotasadly02:39
BenbisAnyways, off to try that. Back in a bit.02:39
zenroxtheeota,  do you have the nvidia driver installed02:39
BenbisThanks for the suggestions, Zen and Slask02:39
theeotai got this error btw: PCI cannot allocate resource reg 4 of device 0000:00:02.102:40
zenroxthats an odd error02:40
zenroxhmmm02:40
theeotaand it said that Modprobe: FATAL :02:40
theeotaand that its Unallowed02:40
zenroxok sound like a misconfiguration or bad hardware02:40
theeotawhen i try to startx it cant find symbols in any of the files02:40
zenroxor conflict of hardware02:40
theeotathats what it says to me02:41
zenroxtheeota, thats casue the driver ant loaded02:41
theeotaall i have installed is 2 DVD-drives, 1 hd and my video, network and soudn card02:41
theeotawhere do you get the drivers then that can be installed from the prompt02:41
theeotafrom the vendor02:42
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zenroxsudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings02:42
zenroxthoes are from the vendor02:42
theeotaok02:43
zenroxif you get the ones actualy from nvidia your going to have to compile them your self02:43
theeotayeah thats true02:43
theeota...02:43
zenroxthat can be a pain02:43
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theeotawell, i am going to try this command, and see what else i can turn up, thx for the help, be back to tell you what happened02:43
zenroxtheeota, hold on02:44
theeotaok02:44
zenroxdo you have all the respotries enabled02:44
theeotaim not sure, im pretty mucha linux newb02:45
zenroxhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage02:47
zenroxand www.ubuntuguide.org for other stuff02:47
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zenroxthe ubuntuguide has a good way to install the nvidia drivers02:48
theeotaok02:49
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eboneHey guys ...02:49
eboneany apt-get gurus/wizards ?02:49
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zenroxebone,  whats up02:51
mseneyanyone have rhythmbox working? i can't seem to play any internet radio from it.02:51
Zotnixmseney, mainly because it doesn't support mp302:52
ZotnixYou can get it to play internet radio if you get libraries for mp3 and whatnot.02:52
mseneyZotnix, but the stations listed when you first start the program should work right?02:52
Zotnixmseney, they don't.02:52
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zenroxmseney, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats02:53
Zotnixmseney,  gst-register-0.8 is a command that will get it to work after you follow that wiki.02:53
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linuxn00bHi, if I want to connect 2 pcs I use a straight-though cable right?02:54
zenroxlinuxboy,  you need a crossover02:55
TetrisMastercan linux root and home partitions be ONE partition, rather then 2 seperate ones?02:55
zenroxstraight-thru is to your router02:55
zenroxTetrisMaster,  yes02:55
zenroxbut i dont recomend that TetrisMaster02:55
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TetrisMasterok02:55
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zenroxTetrisMaster,  if you have to reinstall fore watever reasion you dont louse your settings and files02:56
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zenroxjust the os and files you compiled for your self02:56
TetrisMasterwell also if i have a linux partition past the first 1024 mbs of data on my drive and i have XP currently installed, can i use Lilo installed into the MBR?02:56
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linuxn00bzenrox, ok I just want to make sure I don't fuck up...but I was sure it was straight :/02:57
biknice, thanks for the help guys, networking is up02:57
TetrisMasterand dual-bbot the 2?02:57
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biknow I just need to figure out why hoary doesn't like my audigy02:57
TetrisMasterboot*02:57
theeotaug02:57
zenroxlol theeota02:58
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theeotazenrox, guess what - i got the drivers from nvidia, and was going to install them, but i got a catch 22 - i cant copy them to the drive from the bootable linux, and i cant install them from a loaded X, si im stuck02:58
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theeotalol02:58
theeotaif i burned that file to a CD would it work?02:59
TetrisMasterdoes anyone know if LILO in the MBR will dual-boot linux and XP, if XP was installed first02:59
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zenroxtheeota,  and your going to have to d/l your kernel-source too to install thoes drivers02:59
TetrisMasteror will i have to use a different boot loader?02:59
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eruinuse grub03:03
theeotaI'll brb03:04
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TetrisMastergrub?03:04
TetrisMasterand how does that work/setup?03:04
TetrisMastercompared to LILO?03:04
eruinit's default in ubuntu03:04
eruinand should be set up automatically03:04
TetrisMasterwell im not gonna be running ubuntu ;)03:05
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TetrisMasteri just find the most help on this channel03:05
eruinwell, I used to load xp just fine with lilo back in the days03:05
TetrisMasterbut generally, what consists of setting up grub?03:05
eruinnano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst03:05
eruin~grub-install03:06
eruinreboot03:06
edlangHi - I've just set up an HP 990Cxi printer on an AMD64 machine running Ubuntu Hoary. First question: it seems the printer driver is screwy - is this a known problem on this problem with this driver (hpijs)?03:06
TetrisMasterand the nano, and ~grub line go in command?03:06
eruinyes03:06
TetrisMasterim a newbie03:06
eruinwhat exactly are you doing?03:06
eruinyou seem to be doing non-newbie stuff03:06
edlanggrey is blue; red is megenta; green is cyan; blue is blue. cyan is cyan, megenta is magenta, yellow is non existent. black is a light coloured blue.03:06
eboneguys ... guys !!03:06
eboneubuntu muntu wiki quicky !@03:07
TetrisMasterwell i need to create an unpartitioned space on an NTFS C:\\ drive for Vector Linix.03:07
edlangSecondly, how do I share USB attached printers on the network using CUPS? I couldn't see a "share printer" or similar option.03:07
eruinedlang: replace the ink? :O03:07
TetrisMasterthen install Vector Linux, and have it dual-boot to MS XP, or linux03:07
edlangeruin: It was printing fine when attached to a jetdirect box.03:07
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eruinTetrisMaster: partition magic would do that for you03:07
zenroxedlang, you need to use samba to share a printer www.ubuntuguide.org for config03:08
edlangI can't share it using IPP or standard unix LPD?03:08
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TetrisMastereruin: i know, but couldnt i also use systemrestoreCD...im not paying $70 for PM :)03:08
zenroxedlang,  you can if you know how03:08
edlangSamba seems like a bit too much overkill.03:08
eruinno idea what systemrestoreCD is03:08
TetrisMasterit uses QTparted03:09
zenroxedlang,  samba is easy and smaller03:09
eruinoh, well, maybe03:09
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TetrisMasterbut anyway, so Grub will work better then LILO....?03:09
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eruinthat's the general consensus yeah03:09
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eruingoogle grub chainloader03:09
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thebartmanhey guys.. I've been messing up my xf86config file..03:10
TetrisMastergrub chainloader?03:10
eruingoogle it03:10
thebartmanis there a command  I can run to recreate it03:10
eruinshould turn up with manual settings for loading xp03:10
edlangIs there a gnome UI to samba which I should install?03:10
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edlangoh actually, that ubuntuguide url, huh.03:10
thebartmanis there a cli command to reconfigure the video03:10
zenroxthebartman, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8603:10
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thebartmancrap.. I did that... it didn't reconfig the monitor settings and stuff03:11
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thebartmandarn.. I need something to totally redo my xf86conf-403:11
zenroxedlang,  that usr tells you how to do it in the command line but you can learn that way on how to edit the smb.conf file easey03:11
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thebartmanerr.. xf86config-403:12
eruinI hate to be the one saying this, but cp -f file-to-edit file-to-edit.bak && nano -w file-to-edit03:12
eruin:P03:12
eboneare there any Ubuntu gurus here ?03:13
edlangzenrox: I last looked at samba config files about 6 years ago, but it seems I haven't forgotten too much03:13
thebartmandarn.. now it's saying no screens found03:13
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thebartmanis there a way to reconfig the monitor03:13
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zenroxedlang,  tame to start over then hu??03:13
zenroxtame=time03:13
abakisdid apple make macos 7.1 legal for free download?03:13
adaptis there a hoary chanel or is everything in here?03:13
zenroxadapt, in this one channel03:14
ebonewhere's my guru ?03:14
ebonewhere are all the gurus "03:14
ebone?03:14
zenroxebone,  i am a guru03:14
adaptok. ive been searching for a way to install mplayer (even the wiki) but it wont work.03:14
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ebonezenrox: yeah !03:14
adaptthere is a wiki entry for mplayer on hoary, but it seems outdated03:14
zenroxadapt, the mplayer in hoary is broke compile it your self03:14
Quest-Masterlol03:14
crimsun_adapt: it works on warty. I check every couple days to make sure my workaround is still relevant.03:15
ebonezenrox: i am thinking of "upgrading" to hoary ?03:15
ebonesounds a little scarry.03:15
adaptzenrox, thanks, will do.03:15
adaptcrimsun, thanks!03:15
zenroxebone,  why??03:15
ebonei added hoary to my sources.list file ...03:15
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ebonenow i'm going to do "apt-get upgrade".03:15
eruinerrrrrrrrr03:15
eruindo apt-get dist-upgrade03:15
ebonei don't know ... i just cant believe it's going to work.03:15
scorpixhi all03:15
eboneohh ... thanks.03:15
zenroxebone,  you want to do a apt-get update first then dist-upgrade03:16
eruinand apt-get update first ofc ;)03:16
thebartmanother than that one config mentioned above... how can I use the cli to reconfig my monitor and video card03:16
ebonethanks ... cool, i did the update.03:16
ebonethat makes me feel better they have a seperate dist-upgrade command.03:16
scorpixhow can i make my HP deskjet 3325 work in Hoary?03:16
thebartmanlike lets say I blow away my XF86config-4 file.. how can I recreate it03:16
eboneguys ... can i keep X11/KDE running ?03:17
farruinnthebartman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?03:17
zenroxebone,  i wouldent03:17
eboneis it going to need to write over all those libraries and stuff.03:17
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zenroxebone,  yep03:17
ebonezenrox: yeah, i tend to think your right.03:17
eboneit's just a little scarry.  :)03:17
zenroxya it is03:17
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Riddellebone: shouldn't be a problem until you try starting new applications03:18
eruinebone: you'll just have to restart when it's all over03:18
eboneahh ... cool. so i don't even really need to kill anything then.03:18
thebartmanguys.. please, is there a way to recreate my xfr86config-4 file03:18
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thebartmanxf86config-4 that is03:18
eboneguys ... i may have a couple of things from universe and multiverse ...03:18
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zenroxthebartman,  just the way i told you03:19
eboneare they likely to get muffed ?03:19
farruinnthebartman: that command that we gave you is the best way03:19
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zenroxebone,  no03:19
thebartmanit didn't recreate the monitor settings03:19
farruinndid you select medium or advanced for monitor settings?03:19
zenroxslect advansed and put in your montor vert and horz ranges03:19
ebonei take it i want to comment out those sources from the sources.list file though (universe and multiverse, i.e.).03:19
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eboneit will pull crap in from them won't it ? if they are > version ?03:20
zenroxebone,  you wont need to03:20
thebartmanok.. I deleted my xf86config file and running the command again03:20
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ebonealright, here goes.   :)03:20
Quest-MasterIf I have someone on my buddy list, and they have blocked me but are online, will they still show up in Gaim?03:20
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alexander_alrighty, who wants to help me out?03:20
Quest-MasterI remember once that that was true03:20
Quest-MasterI think my friend is playing a joke on me, so I just want to be sure03:20
thebartmanstill says no screens found and gives io error 10403:21
linuxn00bOn my 2nd nic I don't see my link lights on even tho it is connected to the router03:21
zenroxQuest-Master,  ya i thinnk so03:21
theeot1zenrox - update - I got eh drivers to work with the sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings but the screens are still not there and the xfree86 file or whatever is completely empty03:21
thebartmanand there's no XF86config-4 file now03:21
alexander_anybody here know anything about wine?03:21
zenroxtheeot1, you using warty right03:21
theeot1yeah03:22
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zenroxtheeot1, the XF86config-4 file03:22
zenrox??03:22
mystifyplease help me!!!03:22
theeot1yeah03:22
ebonehey guys, where did i get KDE from anywhere ?03:22
eboneuniverse ?03:22
zenroxhmm03:22
eboneit's saying it's going to uninstall KDE.03:22
theeot1its blank and it says i have no screens03:23
zenroxwe need the nvidia guru out here pronto03:23
farruinnebone: yes, KDE is in universe03:23
gangalinowhere can I find libglib2.4.8-1 dev?03:23
zenroxtheeot1, its over my head now03:23
theeot1I almost wish i had another card03:23
theeot1its ok03:23
theeot1ill just try to get it to work03:23
ebonemy bad ...03:23
ebonei hadn't added a "main" hoary, just a universe hoary.03:24
theeot1im just frustrated that im so close to using the program but stuck here at the edge03:24
farruinngangalino: you're in warty or hoary?03:24
zenroxtheeot1,  ya trying getiing 2 nvidia cards to play nice with 2 diferent montiors03:24
zenroxthats a pain03:24
eboneHey guys ... did they switch to X.org for hoary ?03:25
gangalinofarruinn: warty03:25
eboneThese are all the things it says it's going to remove:03:25
eboneblt-common esound fam gnome-cpufreq-applet libfam0c102 libgtop2-4 libmimelib1 libnautilus2-2 libopenh323-1.13.2 libpt-1.6.303:25
ebone  python-fixedpoint python-mpz trashapplet trm xfree86-driver-synaptics xserver-xfree8603:25
crimsun_ebone: yes, early on.03:25
neighborleedid they remove gnome editing of menus via nautilus in hoary ? ...Applications:/// no longer works...03:25
zenroxebone,  yes03:25
zenroxneighborlee,  yes03:25
Plukneighborlee, indeed03:25
eboneo.k. ... so i'll be getting an X.org server, which is fine i guess.03:25
neighborleei'm going to strangle me some gnome developers!!03:26
tuxadermistWoot03:26
theeot1no, i have 1 monitor03:26
theeot11 card in agp03:26
zenroxebone,  if you have a special vid card you might have to redo the drivers03:26
farruinngangalino: the newest I see is 2.0. I don't know what's in hoary03:26
neighborleecould they get any more clueless ?03:26
theeot1whats the slot for AGP03:26
neighborleelol03:26
theeot1it says to chose the video card interface and its generic is PCI 1.0.003:26
Plukgnome is in a change now for menu editing03:26
theeot1or something is that wrong03:26
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zenroxtheeot1, pci1:0:0 i think03:26
farruinnneighborlee: I believe that it's only temporary03:26
gangalinofarruinn: I have 2.4.8-1 installed, it shows up as 2.0 in synaptic03:26
ebonezenrox: i have an nvidia, it's built onto the motherboard.03:26
farruinngangalino: heh, odd03:26
ebonenothing fancy.03:26
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akurashyhello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash03:27
zenroxebone,  the x.log should tell you wahre its at03:27
eboneHow about the X.org config file ? Is it the same format as XF86 ?03:27
zenroxcasue its decting it03:27
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zenroxebone,  pretty much03:27
pyrohotdogHey...anyone....my XMMS isn't working....03:27
neighborleefarruinn, ;-) I hope so indeed...thx for heads up03:27
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jeavishi hello03:28
jeavisI want to install mySQL 5, what I need to do?03:28
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ebonedamn guys ... i don't know anything about X.org.03:30
ebonecan it do drm, dri, and all that crap ?03:30
Plukits just xfree86 but better03:30
eboneso it's got all that crap ?03:30
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ebonecan I install XF86 if i want to after the upgrade ?03:30
zenroxebone,  yes03:30
Plukyeah got it all03:30
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ebonei'm just an old geezer i guess, stuck in my ways.03:31
zenroxebone,  x.org is much bertter tho03:31
mseneyZotnix, thanks for the link man. I did manage to get Realplayer 10 installed though and now it's playing my audio perfectly :)03:31
jevidlhey guys, quick question. I tried using steghide, but it is telling me jpeg support is not included. that's ok, I tried compiling froms scratch, but it tells me that some librarires are missing03:31
jevidlI compiled the libraries, but it is still saying they are missing. any suggestions?03:31
monkey89xf86configs work fine with xorg03:31
monkey89there's no reason not to switch03:32
monkey89a very low number of peopel have problems03:32
edlangOk, I managed to get samba playing halfway nice. Now, I have this:03:32
mseneyZotnix, now can you tell me how to get the gnome window list to show more of the window list button?03:32
edlangDeskJet-990C is ready and printing03:32
edlangRank    Owner   Job     File(s)                         Total Size03:32
edlangactive  nobody  6       smbprn.00000003 Remote Downleve 405504 bytes03:32
edlangWhere to take it from there?03:32
edlangThe pinter is sitting idle.03:32
monkey89mseney, right click on the little drag bar to the left of the windows but to the right of the defsktop window03:32
monkey89up the minimum size03:32
jevidlanyone? :)03:32
neighborleeoh btw anyone..has the automounting mechanism changed in hoary ?..the icon wont display on desktop on cd insert and when I do: right click > open with 'sh'..the cd lights up for a second and then bam stops..have they done meddling with hoary with this segment of code too ?LOL03:33
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mebaran151what is the best distro for a laptop03:33
mebaran151is Ubuntu too hard to get ACPI to run on03:33
jevidlmebaran151: ubuntu.. I had great luck with it "just working"03:33
mebaran151cool03:33
mebaran151I have a dell 860003:33
mebaran151Pentium M03:34
mseneymonkey89, ahh thanks :)03:34
monkey89linux is linux is linux, if acpi works on one it shouldn't be too bad to get on another03:34
mebaran151my wireless card is a dell03:34
monkey89mseney, no problem, it had been bothering me as well :)03:34
monkey89mebaran151, will probably need ndiswrapper03:34
mebaran151yeah03:34
mebaran151I figured that03:34
mebaran151where in heck am I going to get Dell drivers03:34
monkey89nothing we can do, broadcom doesn't release it03:34
monkey89its not dell, really03:34
mebaran151everybody knows dell is just against giving driver cds03:34
mebaran151stupid resotre disk03:34
mebaran151oh it is a broadcom03:35
jevidlI have libjpeg.so on the system, but it was part of java. can I copy that to somewhere else on my system so that steghide's ./configure will see it?03:35
mebaran151cool03:35
mebaran151anybody know if the wiki has anything on it03:35
monkey89mebaran151, broadcom is the company that will  not release specs for someone to make a linux driver for the card03:35
NetwrkMonkeyDell is the evil empire03:35
monkey89and there should be something on ndis/ubuntu somewhere03:35
NetwrkMonkeythey are in cahoots with bill gates and GW to fsck up the world03:35
monkey89i've seen it before (but now that i have a rt2500, im happy with a gpl wireless g driver that actually works :D)03:35
jeavisHey where can I check what software offer ubuntu.03:36
mebaran151oh Dell aint so bad03:36
Plukjeavis, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/03:36
mebaran151I would give it on a 1 - Hell a 603:36
Pluknot a official sire though03:36
Pluksite*03:36
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jevidldang it... why can't steghides ./configure find libjpeg.so?? this is driving me nuts03:39
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jeavisPluk: Thank you03:40
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jeavisPluck:mmmmmmmmmmmmmm ubuntu dont have mysql server 503:40
jbajevidl, install the jpeg-dev lib whatever it is called03:40
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edlangah hmm, the job went through.03:41
jevidljba: ok, it is in the jpeg-dev?03:41
mebaran151is ndiswrapper in the repos03:41
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jbawhatever apt package installed libjpeg.so (not sure what it's called) there will be another package with the smae name but a -dev on the end03:41
jbainstall that and configure should find the .so file03:42
jevidljba: that makes somewhat more sense... I tried the www.ijb.org site and compiled theirs, which is what steghide suggested, but it didn't like it. I will try libjpeg-dev03:42
jevidljba: thank you! only two more to get now :)03:43
jbajevidl, it is a pattern03:43
jevidljba: yep03:44
jbaanytime ./configure complains about not finding a .so file chances are you didn't install the -dev package03:44
jbamakes sense, standard package for standard use, -dev package for developing stuff with it03:44
jevidljba: just new to the whole compiling my own software... this helps a lot03:44
jevidlthanks03:44
darmouI'm having trouble installing plone on warty.03:44
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darmouIt can't seem to install python2.2-xmlbase03:45
jevidldarmou: what's plone again03:45
jevidl?03:45
darmouplone is a cms based on zope03:45
darmoucms=content managfement system03:45
jevidldarmou: that's right. thanks03:45
darmouIf you look at the ubuntu site they are using plone03:46
jevidldarmou: I just knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't place where03:46
jevidlyeah03:46
pyrohotdogIs there a way to crank my volume up?!?!03:46
pyrohotdogI'm using Juk and it's way too quiet....03:46
pyrohotdogeven at full volume.03:46
jevidljba: thanks agian, gotta go!03:46
regeyapyrohotdog: kmix03:47
mebaran151pyrohotdog, max your speakers03:47
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gangalinodarmou: I got plone running on warty03:47
darmouwhat did you do to get it to work?03:48
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regeyait's sort of funny to look at the source code for redhat-artwork, especially in the kde stuff03:48
dale_gribbl1evening all03:48
pyrohotdogI'm trying to avoid maxing my speakers, 'cause it hums and gets static and stuff.03:48
gangalinodarmou: trying to remember, I think it took some updates03:48
regeyaif you ever marvelled at the poor quality of kde on fc, and wondered why, it's easy to tell from the source comments in redhat-artwork that there seems to be an institutional hate for all things qt03:49
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gangalinodarmou: I'm on python 2.3 right now03:49
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pyrohotdogKmix isn't affecting anything....03:50
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regeyayikes!  I make a disparaging ocmment about redhat, and in walks a north carolinian.03:50
dbjhcan i see windows media playe in ubuntu03:51
tritiumhi crimsun.  Short of removing esound entirely, how can I prevent esd from running on user login?  Multimedia Systems Selector has already been used to select ALSA03:51
linuxn00bgotta Q what does ubuntu use for dhcp?? cause I couldnt killall dhcpcd03:51
dbjhi wamt to have windows mwdia playet03:51
Pluktritium, in administration or preferences >sound you can unselect sound-server03:52
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tritiumPluk, yeah, did that too :)03:52
darmouI've got python2.3 installed too but that does not seem to help the plone package zope-cmfplone seems broken big time:(03:52
dale_gribbl1i'm trying to install 4.10 X64, and i keep getting a "debootstrap program exited with an error" (return value 2) error03:52
Zugotanyone here use any type of  change management systems?03:52
tritiumAnd i saved the session on logout as well03:52
Plukhmmm normally hould be enough03:52
tritiumyeah, you would think.  I'll figure it out.  I am running mythtv, and can't have esd running.03:53
gangalinoI think in the end, I got it working from synaptic03:54
gangalinodarmou: are you trying to install it from synaptic? I'm on Warty, btw03:54
darmouno from the command line03:54
darmouok I'll try that thanks03:54
darmouI'm getting the same problem with synaptic:(03:56
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Br34chHeh.. stupid question - in irssi, suppose, os even a gaim session window.. how can a window be . . . high-lighted (kinda like in win..) :s03:59
Br34chor*03:59
Br34chOr any way of notification..03:59
Br34chOf new messages and such, or anything03:59
Br34ch!ping04:01
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darmouI've done a couple of force depends with dpkg cause it's complaining about the version of zope how ever zope2.7 package is install which it does not recognize04:02
mike998dunno Br34ch... I tend to miss some conversations because I don't get any notifications04:02
mike998and on that note... time for bed04:02
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dbjhI want to see windows media player has any of you ever tried that?04:05
bluefoxicyis there a voice synth around that'll synthesize a girl's voice?04:05
bluefoxicyhttp://www.psci.net/darian/cfpass.wav like that04:06
bluefoxicyhttp://www.psci.net/darian/pwork.wav or that heh04:06
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neighborleewhy isn't this working:: CD insert ..nautilus loads files: right click on a *.sh file and say: open  with 'sh' ..it starts to load from the CD then it stops abruptly..any idea whats causing this ?? ;0))04:13
LinuxJonesneighborlee, permissions ?04:14
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neighborleeLinuxJones,nope04:14
AtrophyHey out there... I could use some help on trying to get my TV card working under Linux04:14
neighborleeLinuxJones, this is  install of a commmercial game04:14
Atrophyanybody up to it?04:14
neighborleeLinuxJones, ie: ut2k4504:14
neighborleedain04:14
neighborleeLinuxJones, LOL..ut2k4 ;-)heh04:15
neighborleeAtrophy, I dont own one .sorry ;(04:15
neighborleewish I did though ;-))04:15
Atrophylol04:15
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Atrophymine's an ATI All In Wonder 7500...04:15
neighborleeyeah friend had one04:15
neighborleenice cards overall04:15
Atrophyand apparently getting the TV card to work under Linux is the holy grail of desktop computing...04:16
neighborleelol04:16
neighborleewell04:16
neighborleei'd be happy if my dain cam worked ;(04:16
neighborleebut its too old and never was very supporteed in linux..04:16
neighborleeits a intel create and share and has never worked here04:16
Atrophyand I installed Mandrake 9.2 recently because I heard that they had a .rpm of the GATOS drivers that supposedly make it work04:16
neighborleemdk is getting really greedy these days...04:17
Atrophyand both the RPMs installed just fine but it still doesn't work :-(04:17
neighborleebut then thats getting a popular trend in distros it seems...04:17
Atrophybut before that I had ubuntu which is why I'm in here...04:17
Atrophycause you guys are nice unlike most linux peoples04:17
neighborleeexcept for ubuntu..gotta love ubuntu~04:17
neighborleeAtrophy, why thx!!04:17
Atrophylol no problems04:18
Atrophyproblem04:18
neighborleeubuntu is heading distrowatch.org list ( one month wize it IS a the top and 6 mo wize its climbing FAST) and I couldn't be more happy about it04:18
AtrophyI wish I could type...04:18
neighborleeheh np04:18
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Atrophythat too...04:19
Atrophyanyways... so NOBODY in here has dealt with the GATOS drivers?04:19
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[Aura] kingwanja|hi there , i put my live cd in but it did work04:20
[Aura] kingwanja|did not *04:21
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linuxn00bso what does ubuntu use for DHCP? I really need to know04:21
nixmanLinuxJones: ping04:21
SiRrUsgoodevening gentlemen04:22
Atrophywelcome SiRrUs04:22
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AtrophyHas anyone else heard of GATOS?  Going once... going twice...04:23
linuxn00banyone know?04:23
SiRrUswhat is going on tonight in the land of Ubuntu04:23
AtrophyLinuxn00b wants to know some stuff and I want to know some other stuff ;-)04:23
monkey89Atrophy, yeah04:23
monkey89project for getting the all in wonders to work04:24
[Aura] kingwanja|good job ive not given these 100 cds out to people if the live cd wont load on my system04:24
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Thynisok...lol... someone make my day :)04:24
SiRrUsyou have 100 live cds?04:24
Atrophyok have you had any experience trying to make it work monkey89?04:24
ThynisIs anyone in here running ubuntu on an ibook G4 1Gig04:24
monkey89Atrophy, not personally, all I've used was the ati remote driver from their project04:24
monkey89sorry04:24
Atrophybasically I installed the two GATOS rpms and they said they installed right but TV still doesn't work04:25
Atrophyand I'm a near-total linux n00b so I have no idea if/how I need to do any extra tweaking to make them work04:25
Atrophy/sbin/lsmod lists something that I *think* is them so it should be working...04:26
Thynisanybody?04:26
SiRrUsAtrophy are you using ubuntu?04:26
ThynisI just have a few questions... :)04:26
Elsidoxim having werid audio issues. I can play mp3s but when I try to fast forward or skip a track I get a read/write error. Can anyone help?04:27
LinuxJonesnixman, I am too drunk to offer any real help ATM :(04:27
[Aura] kingwanja|100 live cds with full install cds also04:27
AtrophyI was but I installed Mandrake so I could get the GATOS packages04:27
Atrophycause I have no idea what to do with the files available from the GATOS site04:27
linuxn00bdso no one know what ubuntu uses for dhcp :/04:27
[Aura] kingwanja|ive just tried to install the live cd but it hangs near the end04:27
SiRrUsAtrophy ubuntu has the Gatos packages04:27
Atrophysorry linuxn00b I don't04:27
SiRrUsATI All-in-Wonder TV capture software04:28
SiRrUsThe General ATI TV and Overlay Software (GATOS) suite for04:28
SiRrUscapturing video.  This package does not require kernel04:28
SiRrUspatches, and includes:04:28
linuxn00bok04:28
SiRrUsoops sorry 4 lines04:28
ThynisWill ubuntu run on ibook?04:28
JDahl[Aura] kingwanja|, try booting using different expert options04:28
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Atrophydoes it?  Ok, well then that sucks cause it didn't work under ubuntu either04:28
[Aura] kingwanja|ermm ok04:28
Atrophyumm is that only for hoary?04:28
SiRrUsAtrophy did you install the ubuntu packages04:28
Atrophyyeah I have a warty disc which I immediately updated everything using the hoary repositories04:28
Atrophyand tv still didn't work so I went to Mandrake cause I had heard that they had RPMs of the GATOS packages04:29
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Atrophyand also cause I like KDE/Enlightenment04:29
SiRrUsbut did you specifically install the gatos packages there are three of them04:29
Atrophyno I didn't see them on the package lists04:29
SiRrUsthere in synaptic04:30
Atrophyare they under multiverse?04:30
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Atrophyallright I'll give ubuntu another shot...04:30
AtrophyI don't wanna bother upgrading that much again though04:31
Atrophywhere to get a hoary disc?04:31
SiRrUsThats where the fun is04:31
monkey89Atrophy, see topic, but change array-4 to array-504:31
ThynisI'll give Ubuntu a shot if someone will answer my simple questions04:31
SiRrUsAtrophy http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary04:31
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Atrophythanx04:32
Atrophyand go with current or 4?04:32
LinuxJonesThynis, shoot04:32
ThynisI was just trying to figure out if Ubuntu will "Really" work on an iBook G4 1GHz04:33
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ThynisI've tried gentoo... no good04:33
Atrophybtw if any of you have an old computer out there waiting to try a new distro, you should check out MEPIS04:33
ThynisI even bought yellowdog... bastards stole my money lol04:33
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Atrophyit comes with all kinds of non-free stuff, like a good jre and codecs... all preinstalled04:34
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yojimboThynis: your definition of "Really" is ... ?04:34
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ThynisAnd then tonight after giving up months ago I stumble upon ubuntu.. by complete accident which could be a sign04:34
Atrophyit's default theme is even uglier than ubuntu's tho (lol sorry no offense)04:34
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lavigjhey guys, anyone adept at solving compile errors?04:34
Thyniswell with gentoo I had absoloutly no sound... and very little hw support04:34
Thynisand with yellow dog I had no sound and could only run in 16 bit04:34
CarlK2looking for theams or someting to dress up warty cuz this laptop is going to school tomorrow04:35
neighborleeThynis, gentoo is too much work for too little gain imo04:35
Thynisyeah I haven't touched gentoo since summertime :)04:35
AtrophyCarlK2... go to GNOME's site04:35
nomasteryodaAtrophy, lol04:35
CarlK2Atrophy, thanks04:35
ThynisI beat the disk very very hard lol04:35
Atrophyit's got buttloads of themes04:35
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nomasteryodaMEPIS is pretty sweet04:35
CarlK2neighborlee, agreed with your gentoo coment04:35
lavigjneighborlee: it is a lot of work, but I really liked portage. I do like ubuntu a lot though04:35
neighborleenomasteryoda, to hell with mepis04:35
nomasteryodalol04:35
nomasteryodai like ubuntu too04:36
Atrophylol04:36
neighborleeCarlK, thx04:36
Atrophywhy?04:36
nomasteryodaand sue04:36
neighborleenomasteryoda, thx04:36
nomasteryodasuse04:36
neighborleeheh ..sue04:36
AtrophyWhy to hell with MEPIS and SUSE?04:36
yojimboThynis: warty works ok on my G4 iMac ... graphics took a little hacking, but got there. Audio was OK. Hoary should be better ... you might prefer to wait for the hoary release?04:36
neighborleelong story04:36
ThynisI had a little bit of faith in yellowdog but after the install managed to find my graphics card the X couldn't04:36
Atrophyit's cause they're spelled in all caps, isn't it?04:36
Thynisok I might try warty out... just to get the feel for it and kinda start over with hoary04:36
Thyniswhen is the possible release date for hoary?04:37
yojimboAtrophy: SuSE is the correct casing.04:37
SiRrUsThynis hoary is out and works pretty good04:37
Thynisahhhhh... so it is out04:37
yojimboThynis: Hoary *is* released in April :-) You can get a pre-release now, though.04:37
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SiRrUsfinal is scheduled for April04:37
Thynisis there any problems with it accepted the ati 9200?04:37
Thynisthat's where my main probs have been at (my graphics card)04:37
linuxn00bI found out :d ubuntu uses dhclient for dhcp :D:D04:38
subterrificdoes anyone know how to change the background color used when the gnome-session splash screen is shown?04:38
Atrophyyoji... it WAS SuSE04:38
Atrophynow it's all caps04:38
subterrifici've changed every setting i can find, and it is still brown :(04:38
CarlK2um, what is gnomes site?04:38
subterrificwww.gnome.org04:38
lavigjhas anyone managed to compile steghide from scratch?04:38
CarlK2thaks...04:38
AtrophyI dunno why SUSE went to all caps... I liked the bizarre undercase u for no reason04:38
yojimboAtrophy: I see .. the graphic logo still has a small U :-) though.04:38
Atrophyand the bucking of the whole penguin trend to go with the chameleon LOL04:39
rubixXxwhat library(package) is zlib in04:39
Atrophybut then again I really like ubuntu for it's sexual innuendo in release codenames...04:39
Quest-MasterHaha. XD04:39
AtrophyI'm not really sure if I want to install anything called "warty" LOL04:39
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Thynisok last question from me for the night before I dive into this project.... I can dual boot between OS X and Ubuntu correct...04:40
Quest-MasterHoary too.. :P04:40
yojimboThynis: ati 9200 should be OK, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards/view?searchterm=ati%20920004:40
Thynismay sound like a stupid question but wanna be positive04:40
Quest-MasterThynis: Correct.04:40
httpdssim using ruby 1.8 and wanted to know where is gdk_pixbuf2.rb installed... or which package contains that file. i installed libgdk-pixbuf2 and libgdk-pixbuf2-ruby but its not there :-S04:41
yojimboThynis, yes, dual booting works OK. With warty you might not get it set up automatically, so research how to hack grub files first!04:41
[Aura] kingwanja|my live cd isnt loading and it stops inthe same place - Unmount:/dev not found ,starting pcmcia, enabling hotplug manager04:41
yojimbobut Hoary should be fine, afaik04:41
Thynisawesome... where can I get a copy of hoary at... lol... I'm so excited about this!04:41
ThynisI'm almost shaking lol04:41
yojimboThynis: check the topic :-)04:42
Thynisok thanks! :) thanks for everything good to see you can wonder into a place and be welcomed without a bunch of smart remarks!04:42
lavigjok, a more direct question about compiling. I am having an issue with libtool, and I need to define --tag= but I have no idea what to put there. any suggestions?04:42
[Aura] kingwanja|I also had a message saying .. unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000001404:43
httpdssany clue to solve my prob ??04:43
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[Aura] kingwanja|any ideas anyone ?04:44
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[Aura] kingwanja|i tried normal unbutu also expert and04:45
[Aura] kingwanja|so on04:45
ThynisThanks again all! Sure I'll see you all again!04:45
AtrophyOk SiRrUs... do the GATOS drivers get installed by default, or must I Synaptic them?04:45
SiRrUsAtrophy you need to install them04:46
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Atrophyok04:47
lavigjdoes anyone know much about libtool, or where I can go to find it? the libtool manual is too above my head at this point04:47
SiRrUslavigj you have installed it?04:47
AtrophyGood lord hoary is a slow download... I was getting 150-200kbps on the torrent for warty04:47
linuxn00banyone know anything about the dhcp3-server config file?04:47
Atrophybut only 48 for hoary04:47
lavigjSiRrUs: well, it is installed, because I can call it. I am trying to compile steghide, and it is choking on that. I saw one post that said I need to configure libtool --mode=link --tag=whatever_you_need, I just have no idea what i need to put there to get things working04:48
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W3BMAST3R101is it possible to install the latest and greatest gaim?04:49
lavigjW3BMAST3R101: you will probably need to compile it from scratch04:49
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W3BMAST3R101*gasp*04:49
lavigjW3BMAST3R101: unless it is in unstable04:50
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W3BMAST3R101well i typed in gaim for the packages list thinger and i only came out with 1.004:50
geppyAre there any Linux flashplayers that don't have sync problems?04:50
DAC1138i have a networking question. if i plug my (ubuntu warty) laptop into a network with a bunch of different computers, each within different workgroups, will linux autodetect these workgroups?04:50
zenroxW3BMAST3R101,  you using hoary04:50
Atrophywebmaster101: change your sources to include universe and multiverse04:50
fzZzyhow can I tell what pid is using the alsa default device? mythtv complains about "Device or resource busy"04:50
DAC1138like, will i need to edit samba or something?04:50
lavigjW3BMAST3R101: I have 1.1.0 on warty. did you add extra repositories?04:50
geppyfzzzy: lsof /dev/snd/*04:51
zenroxW3BMAST3R101,  also too 1.1.3 of gaim ant in hoary yet so youd have to compile it your self04:51
W3BMAST3R101yeah i followed the tutorial04:51
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lavigjgeppy: let me know if you find one :)04:51
geppylavigj:  ha!04:51
fzZzygeppy: thanks. There was no output though04:51
lavigjgeppy: I tried both in synaptics, one was fast one was slow04:51
lavigjSiRrUs: any suggestions?04:51
geppylavigj:  I'm thinking about just installing the Windows version in WINE.  It's sad that the Windows version would work better than the Linux version.04:51
Atrophyhey has anyone gotten Enlightenment to work right under ubuntu?04:51
SiRrUslavigj nope sorry04:52
W3BMAST3R101how can i compile gaim from source?04:52
Atrophygeppy... get used to disappointment04:52
lavigjgeppy: what's more sad is that it is version *7* of the linux one :)04:52
geppylavigj:  I don't understand how Macromedia can half-ass something that makes or breaks their na,e04:52
geppyAtrophy: hahaha04:52
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Atrophythe windoze version of everything works better04:52
geppylavigj:  Yeah, and that they _claimed_ that it was better.  This is no better than 504:52
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Atrophybecause linux is like me... they never finish a project04:52
W3BMAST3R101Atrophy: not bzflag04:52
geppyAtrophy:  heh... only for ports, and not all ports04:52
W3BMAST3R101its faster under linux04:52
lavigjgeppy: well, I have read a lot of forum posts that say it works fine04:52
geppyAtrophy:  doom3 kicks Windows ass on Linux. =)04:52
Atrophylol04:53
geppylavigj:  The flashplayer?  Only for people that can't tell what's in sync...04:53
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Atrophyspeaking of which04:53
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lavigjgeppy: although, some of the DX9 eyecandy is pretty nice04:53
lavigjgeppy: I didn't see it in OpenGL mode04:53
Atrophythe flash plugin for firefox doesn't display my homepage right under linux :-(04:53
Atrophyonly under windoze04:53
linuxn00bI get this error when I ifuup eth1 "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :04:53
linuxn00b    SET failed on device eth1 ; Bad address.04:53
linuxn00b" but I don't have wireless :s04:53
zenroxgeppy,  so does q3 and ut 2k3 and 404:53
geppylavigj:  Doom3?  It's all OpenGL.04:53
geppyzenrox:  Right, I'm just choosing one example.04:53
W3BMAST3R101Can any one tell me the command to compile something for ubuntu? saay Gaim 1.1.3?04:54
geppyzenrox:  Same with LoMS, etc.04:54
fzZzygeppy: it was esd and it had /dev/dsp open04:54
lavigjgeppy: in windows it will utilize DX9 extensions, at least afaik04:54
httpdsswhy doesnt libgdk-pixbuf2-ruby contain the file gdk_pixbuf2.rb ?????04:54
DAC1138W3BMAST3R101 new to linux?04:54
zenroxW3BMAST3R101,  read gaim.sf.net on how to compile it04:54
W3BMAST3R101To ubuntu i was on Gentoo prior04:54
geppylavigj:  I'm pretty sure that it's _all_ OpenGL, but I can see how they might use Direct _Input_?04:54
zenroxthay will tell you what to get04:54
DAC1138W3BMAST3R101: theres usually an INSTALL file, or a README file.04:54
Atrophyomg did you actually just tell him to rtfm?!  LOL you should be ashamed of yourselves04:54
zenroxgepp loms??04:54
W3BMAST3R101ahh ok04:54
DAC1138W3BMAST3R101 you can compile gaim form source or apt-get it04:54
DAC1138W3BMAST3R101 usually apt-get is best04:55
W3BMAST3R101apt-get it isint there is it?04:55
DAC1138W3BMAST3R101 try "sudo apt-get install gaim"04:55
geppywebmaster101:  apt-get build is pretty nice.04:55
zenroxW3BMAST3R101,  ya but its not the lates and greatest04:55
Atrophyalthough I work at tech support and I often which I could just scream "RTFM!" into the phone and hang up04:55
Atrophy*wish04:55
DAC1138im not even in linux, lol. im in windows xp, need to reinstall ubuntu04:55
Atrophylol I'm on a kvm with one xp box and one Mandrake box04:55
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lavigjgeppy: I am probably wrong then...04:56
AtrophyI keep switching back and forth04:56
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geppyHas Macromedia ever followed through with their hints of porting MX to Linux?04:56
lavigjgeppy: know as much about compiling as you do doom3? ;)04:56
geppylavigj: hahahahaha =)04:56
zenroxlol04:56
Atrophylol geppy04:56
lavigjgeppy: unfortunately, I am serious. I am having some big issues getting this program compiled04:56
DAC1138geppy yeah04:56
DAC1138geppy woks fine in wine and crossover office04:56
AtrophyThe day Macromedia keeps a promise is the day pigs fly...04:56
geppyDAC1138: MX?  I'm talking about the native port that they'd mentioned some time ago.04:57
zenroxDAC1138,  what do that when you can install doom3 nativly04:57
helio7W3BMAST3R101: I always forget the compile commands and I usually just google the terms (tar ./configure make install) and one of the first hits is usually the same way to compile/install anything from tarball (if you have the tarball)04:57
DAC1138Atrophy what da ya know, they ship pig via Herculese ariplanes, lol04:57
geppyAtrophy:  heh... more than that'll go down on the day that MAcromedia keeps a promise04:57
Atrophylol04:57
W3BMAST3R101alright thnx04:57
ebonewell, this puppy is just kicking along.04:57
DAC1138geppy they wanted to make a wine compatible version and see how well it sold then, and if it did well, they would start programming a native linux port04:57
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Atrophyit's like one of the signs of the Apocolypse or something...04:57
ebone998 packages updated, 108 new.04:58
geppyDAC1138:  Oh, okay.04:58
DAC1138but forget macromedia, i want adobe premiere and after effects!04:58
Atrophyman there are NO hoary sources out there LOL04:58
Atrophythere's 14... warty had 103...04:58
Atrophylol04:58
helio7torrents Atrophy?04:58
Atrophyyeah04:58
helio7let me start azureus up lol04:59
Atrophyheheheh04:59
DAC1138does anyone know the real reason microsoft started over longhorn from scratch?04:59
geppyDAC1138:  Because NT sucks?04:59
Atrophywoohoo!!!  I have 15!  Do I hear 16?  Going once... going twice...04:59
ebonewhat do you mean ?04:59
DAC1138could it be they're creating a new executable file format? something WINE wont be able to run?04:59
ebonewhen you say scratch ...04:59
geppyDAC1138:  They have the time and the money;  a re-write can only help them.04:59
[Aura] kingwanja|ubuntu doesnt work as live cd04:59
geppyebone:  starting over04:59
AtrophyD00d... geppy... XP roxx0rz!04:59
johnnybezakdo you guys actually use wine04:59
DAC1138geppy nah, they started fresh, no NT04:59
eboneyou mean, scratch rom a while back, right ...04:59
geppyAtrophy: hahaha04:59
geppyDAC1138:  That's what I was saying;  they started over because NT sucks.05:00
ebonethey didnt just toss the towel in again and start from scratch last couple of days, right ?05:00
Atrophyseriously... I was as pleasantly suprised by XP as I was by OS X05:00
DAC1138geppy ah. well, they started longhorn, and just recently they scrapped the old longhorn, and are staring all over05:00
eboneshoot ... i never upgraded from 200005:00
Atrophylol05:00
eboneXP sort of got on my nerves.05:00
geppyAtrophy:  I wasn't pleasantly surprised enough;  I still prefer 2k over XP05:00
AtrophyI have several copies of NT 4 if anyone wants them LOL05:00
ebonegeppy: yeah, me too.05:00
[Aura] kingwanja|windows work , ubuntu doesnt ... windows 1 - linux 005:00
Atrophyheheheh05:01
DAC1138im thinking they started over again becuase they had the intentions to carry over the old executable file format, im thinking they want something newer, something wine wont run, and something samba cant help, something that wont let it talk to linux machines05:01
ebonei have to admit sort of being excited by Longhorn though ....05:01
geppyebone:  I was, too, until the took out all of the cool features.05:01
eboneDAC1138: that may be part of it.05:01
Atrophywell I like to put it this way... Linux works really well "in theory"05:01
JDahl[Aura] kingwanja|, you're saying your Windows Live CD is better than the Ubuntu one?05:01
DAC1138ebone same here, im excited, but NOTHING they do will ever turn me away from linux or mac os05:01
geppyebone:  Longhorn is now going to be XP... with another name.  Just like every other Windows release.05:01
helio7Allright I've been having a real hard time getting XFree86 reconfigured on a machine I had in my classroom that was working beautifully but just bonked out X-less one day on boot.  Does anyone out there think I might stand a chance of recovering X by upgrading it from Warty to Hoary?05:01
LinuxJonesAtrophy, no Linux works really well !!05:02
johnnybezakDAC1138: i doubt breaking compatibility is the reason theyre developing a new OS05:02
ebonegeppy: yeah ... you see that is b.s. ... they better have some big changes ...05:02
ebonei'm going to be miffed otherwise.05:02
DAC1138M$ was also redoing a filesystem, something XML based with an XML index for an even fast filesystem05:02
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Atrophylinuxjones... it might work better if I knew what I was doing05:02
Atrophybut I don't LOL05:02
[Aura] kingwanja|im saying that this ubuntu live cd does not work ie the 10 ive tried from this huge pile that has been sent to me in the post05:02
LinuxJonesAtrophy, that's the best part :)05:02
lavigjDAC1138: if you are talking about WinFS, the last I knew it was being taken out of longhorn05:02
Atrophyhehehe05:03
eboneI'm doing something right now you will never do on a MS system ....05:03
eboneapt-get dist-upgrade.05:03
ebone:)05:03
[Aura] kingwanja|but cd in , boot from cd and it does load05:03
Atrophylol05:03
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Atrophyand the difference between that and windoze update is...?05:03
[Aura] kingwanja|I also had a message saying .. unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000001405:03
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DAC1138MS should just buy OSX from apple, since apple claims to be a hardware company05:03
ubuntu2uwhen in the terminal what do i type to install wine?05:03
eboneAtrophy: dist-upgrade works forever ....05:03
JDahl[Aura] kingwanja|, did you try booting with different expert options (like I told you)? Otherwise I fear you have a long night ahead of you, depending on how many live CDs you have05:03
eboneit's not just security updates.05:04
DAC1138ubuntu2u you ever use apt-get before?05:04
eboneit's like jumping from 2000 to XP ...05:04
AtrophyApple isn't a hardware company... it's an EXPENSIVE hardware company LOL05:04
ubuntu2udac1138 yes05:04
DAC1138Atrophy but a damn good one at that05:04
[Aura] kingwanja|expert modes like do you have a normal keyboard , yes i do05:04
DAC1138ubuntu2u "sudo apt-get install wine"05:04
ubuntu2udac1138 would i type sudo apt-get install wine05:04
ubuntu2uok thanks05:04
Atrophyyes, Apple stuff r0xx0rz if you have the dough05:04
Atrophybut I don't... so I'll just keep my blueberry Rev D iMac LOL05:05
Atrophywhich I recently purchased for $5005:05
DAC1138i really want a powerbook, but cant afford it. im going to college for video production, and would like something unix based, since im a linux freak05:05
helio7oh that reminds me is there an apt-get option to search what's available if you don't know the exact name (i realize it's easy in synaptic but wondered if it was command line friendly as well)05:05
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[Aura] kingwanja|omg , if i was to give all these lovely cds out to people and they came to me with the problems , i would have to be employed by ubuntu or whoever05:05
DAC1138no good video editing packages for linux, only cinelerra, and i need final cut pro/livetype/after effect type apps05:05
DAC1138helio7 synaptic05:06
billytwowillyany idea when the new ati drivers 9.10.19 will be in hoary?05:06
JonasNZlol i handed out my entire set of 500 CD's in one day05:06
[Aura] kingwanja|I will tell them they make great tea mats05:06
DAC1138helio7 or "sudo apt-cache search namehere" and you can just guess the name, or the first few letters and use the * command05:06
helio7JonasNZ: wow who'd you hand them out to?05:06
Atrophyyeah but Synaptic is oh so pretty!05:06
helio7DAC1138: that's what I was wondering about thanks05:07
zenroxwahts a good way to convert a .nrg in to iso with out haveing to try to burn a .nrg file05:07
JonasNZpeople who are interested in linux, friend who want to use linux etc.. ppl at school, and stuff05:07
[Aura] kingwanja|JonasNZ you handed them all out :o05:07
JonasNZi might need more next time :P05:07
DAC1138got a question, anyone here familiar with pcmcia firewire cards?05:07
Atrophyzenrox... there's a freeware app for that at least for windoze05:07
[Aura] kingwanja|well mine dont work05:07
JonasNZbut i wont up it till a can get grub working05:07
Atrophybut I'm not sure about one for linux05:08
Atrophyor you can use Nero05:08
JonasNZit refuses to install on my hd05:08
zenroxAtrophy,  ya i i dont have windows to burn or conver it05:08
ebonei just went from warty to hoary.05:08
Atrophylol...05:08
lavigjanyone good with compiling and libtool? or how to patch source code...05:08
Atrophythen I commend you on your ability to resist temptation05:08
[Aura] kingwanja|i have 9600pro graphics and xp2200 512mb ram and 2 hdd`s05:08
zenroxAtrophy,  lol05:08
[Aura] kingwanja|and the live cd wont work :s05:09
zenrox[Aura] kingwanja|,  thats casue of you vid card05:09
[Aura] kingwanja|:o05:09
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rambowhat are some good themes for fluxbox?05:09
lavigjheck, if someone can tell me how to apply a patch or edit the sourceode for the patch, that would be an awesome help05:09
Atrophyzenrox... umm I dunno... there has to be a conversion utility somewhere05:09
zenroxthay only have the free drivers for you vid card05:09
DAC1138rambo i like the milk theme05:09
[Aura] kingwanja|so it wont work then :s05:10
zenroxAtrophy,  just thought some one might know so i dont have to look to had for it05:10
Atrophyoic LOL05:10
DAC1138rambo simple, easy on the eyes, and professional looking05:10
Atrophylaziness... the mark of a true programmer...05:10
zenroxlol05:10
AtrophyI see that you are a fellow code monkey ;-)05:10
rambook, let me download it05:10
[Aura] kingwanja|hang on a min , slax worked05:10
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adaptoi e17 rules05:10
lavigjAtrophy: code monkey?05:10
zenroxAtrophy,  i dont wright just edit:)05:11
Atrophyprogrammer05:11
JonasNZdoes any1 have any ideas about grub, it just dies when i try and install it, hangs and dies05:11
[Aura] kingwanja|so ubuntu wont work because i have a radeon 9600pro05:11
Atrophythinkgeek.com sells code monkey shirts now... you should all pitch in and buy me one05:11
lavigjAtrophy: aye, does that mean you are one? I am having a terrible time with libtool at the moment...05:11
DAC1138hmm... milk isnt the theme name? theres a milk theme, but thats not what im talking about05:11
Atrophyme = not a linux programmer05:11
zenrox[Aura] kingwanja|,  it will work you just need to put work in to it and ubuntu needs to be installed05:11
rambowhere can i get the fluxbox milk theme?05:11
AtrophyI know very little about Linux05:11
DAC1138rambo http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/lintherbrushed/05:12
lavigjAtrophy: oh... dang it...05:12
[Aura] kingwanja|but i cant make the live cd work ?05:12
zenrox[Aura] kingwanja|,  dont think so05:12
Atrophylol05:12
DAC1138bbl05:12
zenroxbut i can be wrong05:12
[Aura] kingwanja|slax >ubuntu05:12
zenroxAtrophy,  i found it05:12
lavigjgrr... must not... admit..... defeat......05:13
Atrophyw00t05:13
Atrophyfound what?05:13
[Aura] kingwanja|thatis so annoying , you coders when didnt you pit the radeon drivers in the live cd , doh!05:13
zenroxAtrophy, http://gregory.kokanosky.free.fr/v4/linux/nrg2iso.en.html05:13
Atrophysweet05:13
lavigjI don't suppose dud is around?05:13
ramboDAC1138: where do i put the downloaded fluxbox themes?05:13
zenrox[Aura] kingwanja|,  thats casue ati wont let them be free05:13
AtrophyLet's all have a big round of applause for zenrox!!!05:13
zenroxlol05:14
Atrophy::clap::05:14
zenroxnow time to compile it05:14
Atrophylol maybe we popped the cork too soon?  LOL05:14
[Aura] kingwanja|zenrox then how did slax manage because their live cd works05:14
Atrophyhehehe Linux is the source of all false hopes...05:14
[Aura] kingwanja|Atrophy linux is for dummies05:14
AtrophyAura... my All In Wonder 7500 works just fine except for the TV in/out05:15
lavigjis cvs hard to use?05:15
Atrophyjavigj... yes05:15
zenrox[Aura] kingwanja|, dont know maby thay put it in any way ubuntu dont want to break the law so thay left it out05:15
[Aura] kingwanja|yeah but thats a 7500 they are old and should be free05:15
dale_gribbl1um ok i just installed warty and i think something is wrong, i don't think it prompted me for a root password, but yet i did a user and can log in as him05:15
lavigjAtrophy: I thought you weren't a linux programmer :P05:15
AtrophyI'm not05:16
AtrophyI'm just saying that cvs is under linux and is therefore hard to use05:16
Atrophy;-)05:16
[Aura] kingwanja|and in case my jokes are bad taste , im peed because it doesnt work and ive got a whole damn box of the things05:16
lavigjdale_gribbl1: that's because ubuntu uses sudo, instead of root account05:16
zenroxAtrophy,  and its installed and processing my nrg file05:16
Atrophywoot!!!05:16
zenroxquite fast too05:16
Atrophysorry Aura... you can send 'em to me if you want05:16
lavigjdale_gribbl1: by default, the root account is disabled05:17
dale_gribbl1ok yeah but i didn't create a root password05:17
Atrophybasically the people you should be mad at is ATI... they can't decide if they want to support stuff under linux or not05:17
zenroxAtrophy,  is right05:17
SiRrUs[Aura] kingwanja| why not just go install slack/fedore/mandrake/suse or even windows then and quit complaining05:17
lavigjdale_gribbl1: that's because by default, root cannot login05:17
Atrophybe nice, SiRrUs... you'd be pissed too if you had 500 worthless to you CDs05:18
ubuntu2usomeone teach me how to hack :D haha05:18
[Aura] kingwanja|SiRrUs good idea , thats 100 people that dont get to use ubuntu , ie failures ie dissapears05:18
Atrophyor 100...05:18
Atrophylol05:18
SiRrUs[Aura] kingwanja| well if there all in here complaining thats probably a good thing05:18
AtrophyAura... have you tried installing it and then upgrading the drivers?05:18
Atrophyor are you only wanting to do a liveCD?05:18
zenroxAtrophy,  and it convered just fine and the iso mousts just fine05:19
Atrophyw00t!05:19
Atrophyzenrox-1 The Forces of Evil-005:19
zenroxhehehehe05:19
AtrophyAura... have you tried installing it yet or are you just running a LiveCD?05:20
[Aura] kingwanja|well , first step try live cd , 2nd step install cd over mandrake , 3rd step gice cds to all of my street and let all the people know im cool and give me donations for my kindness of heart :P05:20
Atrophylol05:20
Atrophyand how well did your install work?05:21
Atrophycan you get gnome running?05:21
[Aura] kingwanja|i cant even install it05:21
[Aura] kingwanja|it hangs at the end of the install05:21
Atrophyand does it give any kind of error output?05:21
[Aura] kingwanja|my live cd isnt loading and it stops inthe same place - Unmount:/dev not found ,starting pcmcia, enabling hotplug manager05:22
[Aura] kingwanja|its stops here05:22
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Atrophyok...05:22
Atrophyyeah I would either aquire a regular ubuntu install disc or try knoppix or something05:22
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Atrophybut all I know is that it worked fine with my 7500 and it had drivers available for your hardwarez too05:23
[Aura] kingwanja|well the install disk are here05:23
Atrophybut that was my warty install disc05:23
Atrophyso I dunno about anything else05:23
[Aura] kingwanja|with the lovely live cds -_-05:23
Atrophyhmm...05:23
Bandit( Current Time ) Time: ( 11:24 PM ) Day: ( Tuesday ) Date: ( February 22, 2005 )05:23
AtrophyNo se...05:24
Atrophytry Knoppix...05:24
[Aura] kingwanja|in a nice package with 3 ppl on the cover , and one of the chicks on the cover looks sweet05:24
AtrophyKnoppix > all05:24
Atrophylol05:24
lavigjcan someone recommend a channel where I might find some compiling help? the software doesn't have a mailing list or it's own IRC channel05:24
Atrophyknoppix has saved my butt so many times...05:24
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lavigjAtrophy: it's a great file recovery tool05:25
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FR500hi05:25
FR500one question05:25
Atrophyindeed05:25
SiRrUshello05:25
FR500why is that gdesklets does not start05:25
[Aura] kingwanja|its the graphics drivers -_- why didnt i get a nvidia05:25
Atrophyit's also good for pissing off the lab techs at school <evil grin>05:25
FR500i installed from synaptic05:25
FR500i click it, says starting and then dissapears05:26
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[Aura] kingwanja|i like this , install the cd and make things worse05:26
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Atrophylol05:26
Atrophydon't do that lavigj05:26
lavigj[Aura] kingwanja|: well., if you install it, you can add the universe repositories and upgrade to the non-free ATI drivers05:27
lavigjAtrophy: then give me an answer to these woes!! :P05:27
dale_gribbl1yeah those are nice05:27
Atrophyyeah lavi but he can't install it05:27
SiRrUs[Aura] kingwanja| why not d/l the iso see if its your 100 disks or not05:27
[Aura] kingwanja|upgrade as in pay for drivers just to make it work :s05:27
Atrophyno they're free as in free beer but not free as in freedom05:27
dale_gribbl1you don't pay for anything05:27
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Atrophythey're available for free from the ATI website or from Synaptic05:28
[Aura] kingwanja|ok but there are issues if live cd dont work05:28
lavigj[Aura] kingwanja|: they are not released under the GPL and have a restricted license. You get them free, but because of the license Ubuntu will not include them in the base distribution05:28
FR500can anyone help05:28
Atrophythis is true Aura...05:28
TetrisMasterif i was creating a partition on a disk for linux...would i need to make it "extended" or primary?05:28
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Atrophybut you can make it work if you want to05:28
FR500any pointer are good for me05:28
Atrophyor you could try another distro05:28
[Aura] kingwanja|slax works05:29
Atrophyslax does work05:29
Atrophyslax is awesome05:29
[Aura] kingwanja|yes05:29
SiRrUsdoes slack have a live cd05:29
Atrophyyes... slax05:29
[Aura] kingwanja|slax is live cd05:29
Atrophylol05:29
[Aura] kingwanja|but it works on here05:29
Atrophywhat works on here?05:30
[Aura] kingwanja|with my 9600pro card05:30
Atrophyand where is here? lol05:30
Atrophyok so you're wondering why slax works and ubuntu live doesn't?05:30
[Aura] kingwanja|uk cardiff05:30
[Aura] kingwanja|yes05:30
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SiRrUs( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.10-3-686-smp, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.1.902 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.105:30
Atrophyone of three things:05:30
SiRrUslooks good on this machine05:30
Atrophy1: Ubuntu live doesn't like your hardware for some reason05:31
Atrophy2: Your discs are screwed up05:31
Atrophy3: Either 1 or 205:31
[Aura] kingwanja|discs as in the whole case05:31
Atrophyyeah05:31
Atrophyand that happens...05:32
Atrophythose discs were just made by some d00d just like you05:32
[Aura] kingwanja|of freshly delivered smelling nice ubuntu disks05:32
Bandit[Aura] kingwanja| d/l the iso and check05:32
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Atrophyif you really want to try ubuntu I would download an iso05:32
Atrophyfor an install disc05:32
Atrophybecause it should work with your stuff05:32
[Aura] kingwanja|well if it was done by some dude like me he must be damn rich05:32
[Aura] kingwanja|to give them away05:33
[Aura] kingwanja|in fact i dont get it05:33
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Atrophywell that's why the good lord gave us donations...05:33
[Aura] kingwanja|how can i receive lots of free disks05:34
Atrophylol05:34
Atrophyyou can't...05:34
[Aura] kingwanja|let me guess , its the mormons ?05:34
AtrophyI have the list right here and you're not on it... sorry.05:34
helio7lol Atrophy05:34
[Aura] kingwanja|well i had a free delivery of tea mats then05:35
Atrophypossibly05:35
LinuxJones[Aura] kingwanja|, you being unreasonable05:35
[Aura] kingwanja|no05:35
Atrophybut there's no way to tell unless you're willing to download something else to compare it to05:35
Atrophyor at least download an md5 to check it against05:35
[Aura] kingwanja|i dont have a cd rw05:35
Atrophyyou don't have to05:36
helio7 you can still get free disks just follow the link http://www.ubuntulinux.org/05:36
Atrophyall you need is the md5 and a cd rom05:36
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[Aura] kingwanja|helio7 thanks but your not helping , in fact you are , i could do with some more to hang on the wall in the bathroom05:36
lavigjonce again I plea, anyone good with compiling who can give me a hand?05:36
helio7oh yeah there's a windows utility called md5summer can check the digital fingerprint to see if yours is corrupted05:36
crimsun_lavigj: sup?05:37
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Atrophyanyways Aura... if you'd like to check if your disc is valid then I'll tell you how05:37
LinuxJones[Aura] kingwanja|, if you r rich you could burn your own cd's ??05:37
[Aura] kingwanja|disks , yes please05:37
lavigjcrimsun_: I am trying to compile steghide, but I am getting a libtool error. I found a patch, but I have no idea how to apply it. I would edit the source by hand if i understood what needed to be done, or feed libtool by hand... I just don't know what to do at this point05:37
Atrophywell I gotta check one thing out first... everyone: do you have to make an .iso of the disc first to check the md5?05:37
crimsun_lavigj: what is the libtool error? use #flood if necessary.05:38
[Aura] kingwanja|well no , i waited weeks for the cds and when they come through , they dont work05:38
helio7so does anyone think that by upgrading a machine on which Warty's X-server is messed up to Hoary might possibly fix the problem with X?05:38
lavigjcrimsun_: one moment, I am going to do this from scratch so that it is accurate05:38
crimsun_helio7: describe "messed up."05:38
Atrophylol05:38
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[Aura] kingwanja|i could have been the most popular guy on my street , but as the disks dont work , hmmm05:39
Atrophylol05:39
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Atrophyd00d either check the MD5 or go try something else05:40
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AtrophyI'm tryin' to help but you're not wanting to help you just wanna bitch about it05:40
helio7oh crimsun, it's been a few days and I've googled and forum searched and asked questions in here... i'm looking at /var/log/XFree86.0.log right now trying to figure out exactly is going wrong, but I can't tell... as far as i'm aware I simply rebooted it one day and a perfectly beautiful ubuntu/gnome environment disappeared (and it had been rebooted daily for a couple of weeks)05:40
lavigjcrimsun_: dumping it into #flood05:40
LinuxJones[Aura] kingwanja|, you would NEVER be the most popular guy on the street :D05:41
crimsun_helio7: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin05:41
lavigjdone05:41
Atrophyhey btw KDE apps won't run under ubuntu unless I install KDE on it, correct?05:41
Atrophyand I've heard that installing KDE on ubuntu is risky at best...05:41
crimsun_Atrophy: only the necessary kde libs05:41
helio7crimsun can I do that via ssh?05:41
Atrophywhich sucks cause I kinda like KDE and Enlightenment05:41
helio7crimsun because i'm not sure howto upload via lynx05:42
[Aura] kingwanja|im nice actually but if i can get donations because they are receiving them from my house , who cares as long as they give me some food money :D05:42
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Atrophynot that I have anything against GNOME... I just like all of 'em ;-)05:42
crimsun_Atrophy: not at all risky.05:42
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Atrophyhmm I heard that it screws up your GNOME05:42
[Aura] kingwanja|if i asked for 1 million cds , i could have been the next bill gates05:42
Plukhow can i check if an executable is compiled for i386 or i686?05:42
crimsun_helio7: curl -F "code=</var/log/XFree86.0.log" -F poster=helio7 -F parent_pid= -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php 2> /dev/null | grep helio705:43
helio7hmm i didn't mean to spam your name crimsun_ was just trying to tab it out lol05:43
LinuxJones[Aura] kingwanja|, under what..donations to the poor tsunami victims ?05:43
helio7ok crimsun thanks05:43
crimsun_Atrophy: no, doesn't screw up gnome.05:43
Atrophyok05:43
[Aura] kingwanja|no under give to your friendly neighbour rules :D05:44
Atrophyand say I were to do that... how would I switch between WMs?05:44
crimsun_Atrophy: do you mean desktop environments?05:44
Atrophyyeah05:44
helio7crimsun_ code entered... not sure if it worked looking now05:45
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crimsun_Atrophy: simply choose the desktop environment you want under Session in the graphical greeter05:45
lavigjcrimsun_: brb... I put that stuff in #flood05:45
[Aura] kingwanja|remember the golden rule - love thy neighbour as thy self , if i give them disks , they give me money $..$05:45
crimsun_lavigj: k05:45
Atrophyok05:45
LinuxJones[Aura] kingwanja|, you sound like a gosel preacher low on cash05:46
[Aura] kingwanja|i will even give a cd to the newspapers so it shows im giving in the town and then i will take over the world }:{} mwwahahahahahahaha05:46
crimsun_lavigj: dpkg -l libtool|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'05:46
AtrophyAura... come on, d00d... do you want to get ubuntu working, or do you want to take over the world?!?!05:47
Atrophymake up your mind...05:47
[Aura] kingwanja|i want to get ot working :'(05:47
helio7err I think the ethernet cable was loose... can anyone tell me the command to try and reestablish connectivity?  ifconfig something?05:47
[Aura] kingwanja|it*05:47
crimsun_helio7: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth005:47
Atrophyok well then get the freakin MD5 already05:48
[Aura] kingwanja|hmmm i see linux getting big and i want to take over and monapolise it $..$05:48
Atrophyyou can get it from anywhere where you can get the ISOs for the ubuntu cds05:48
lavigjcrimsun_: all it put out was 1.5.6-205:48
crimsun_helio7: doesn't appear to have pasted.05:48
crimsun_lavigj: ok.05:48
[Aura] kingwanja|md5 :s05:48
[Aura] kingwanja|what the eck is md5 got to do with it05:48
Atrophymd5...05:49
crimsun_lavigj: the first thing you need to do is execute ,,make clean''05:49
Atrophythe MD5 is a way to check if your disc is good05:49
crimsun_lavigj: err, ,,make distclean''05:49
lavigjcrimsun_: ok, so ,,make distclean'' ?05:49
[Aura] kingwanja|isnt that a microsoft sound download05:49
Atrophyno05:49
crimsun_lavigj: without the commas and quotes05:49
lavigjdone05:50
lavigjcrimsun_: what'd that do, in a nutshell?05:50
crimsun_lavigj: cleans your source directory05:50
lavigjk05:50
helio7crimsun_ trying to study my spelling and make sure I copied your command right05:50
Atrophywoohoo!!  I'm gettin' 91kbps on my torrent!!!05:51
Atrophyit's not great, but it'll do!05:51
[Aura] kingwanja|where is md5 , im getting all kinds of md5 on google05:51
jdrakehow goes the party05:51
Atrophyok go to ubuntulinux.org05:51
Atrophyand go to the downloads section05:51
Atrophyand poke around05:52
crimsun_lavigj: the next thing you need to do is apply the patch using patch(1)05:52
Atrophylook for hoary-i386-live.iso.md5 or something like that05:52
lavigjcrimsun_: hmm... ok. so I am going to download the patch, and then waht?05:52
crimsun_lavigj: apply it using patch(1)05:52
AtrophyEveryone:  Do you have to make an ISO of a disc to check its md5, or can you do that straight from disc?05:53
lavigjcrimsun_: I assume it needs to be in the untarred directory fo rthe source?05:53
crimsun_lavigj: not necessarily05:53
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[Aura] kingwanja|md5sums ?05:54
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lavigjcrimsun_: hmm... ok. I will have to find the original file it patchs05:54
Atrophyyeah05:54
crimsun_lavigj: the patch itself can be anywhere, and your $(pwd) can be anywhere.05:54
[Aura] kingwanja|what do i do with that ?05:54
crimsun_lavigj: patch(1) has the -p and -d parameters05:54
Atrophydownload it and in a minute you'll be able to use it to check your disc05:54
Atrophyfirst of all what OS are you running?05:54
[Aura] kingwanja|im using windows05:55
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[Aura] kingwanja|:P05:55
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Atrophyok05:55
NetGeekevening all05:55
Atrophythen you'll need to download the MD5 file checker05:55
Atrophyhang on let me find the URL05:55
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compmanio36join #/pchelp05:56
AtrophyI can't find it... google for "MD5FileChecker" or something05:56
compmanio36oops05:56
compmanio36damn syntax :P05:56
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Atrophyit's a freeware windows app05:56
AmaranthAtrophy: md5sum is available for windows05:56
Atrophyok05:57
Atrophydo you know if he has to ISO the disc first?05:57
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lavigjcrimsun_: sorry, I am being a bit dense... how can I use -p or -d to find the file that is going to be patched?05:58
[Aura] kingwanja|run the cd with it ?05:58
[Aura] kingwanja|http://www.brandonstaggs.com/filecheckmd5.html05:58
Atrophyaura... FileCheckMD5 is the name of the program05:58
Atrophyyeah05:58
compmanio36hey, I was trying to install Ubuntu on a neighbor's computer and it got to 19% on loading the installer, and the screen would blink and froze right there05:58
compmanio36any suggestions?05:59
Atrophyand then you can either run that straight on the CD or you have to make an ISO of the CD first05:59
AtrophyI'm not sure05:59
helio7compmanio did you try the noapic nolapic options ? i had a similar problem that that solved on my laptop05:59
NetGeekcompmanio36: the cd may have burned bad, can you make a new one05:59
[Aura] kingwanja|compmanio36 , i dont believe a word you say is true05:59
helio7what is it hit F2 for boot options on install?06:00
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ionswhy would apt-get keep back a package from being updated?06:00
helio7[Aura] kingwanja|: please don't be stinky with people requesting help lol they might confuse you with the people who are here being helpful =P06:00
Atrophylol06:01
AtrophyAura.. do you know how to make an ISO of a CD?06:01
crimsun_ions: dependencies are missing or are not satisfied given your command line parameters06:01
ionshmm, gaim is being kept back and I can't figure out why06:02
[Aura] kingwanja|Atrophy i dont have a cd rw06:02
crimsun_ions: are you using dist-upgrade or upgrade?06:02
[Aura] kingwanja|ahhh06:02
ionsupgrade06:02
helio7crimsun_ i pasted to pastebin the curl script you gave me if you could peek at it and see if there's any error 'cause it's not working... otherwise I'm studying lynx docs to see if I can paste that way06:02
AtrophyAura.. you don't need one to make an ISO06:02
Atrophyyou just need a program to make an ISO out of a CD06:03
[Aura] kingwanja|i would upgrade if all my neighbours have cds and gave me donations06:03
crimsun_helio7: http://pastebin.com/245284 worked06:03
[Aura] kingwanja|that daemon thingy06:03
crimsun_ions: and with dist-upgrade?06:03
ionsif I do apt-get install gaim on it's own it works06:04
helio7crimsun_ yeah i did that in firefox off a box with X running (=06:04
ionsI thought dist-upgrade was only used when moving to Hoary from warty06:04
[Aura] kingwanja|cannot create file access id denied06:04
Atrophyaccess denied?06:04
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crimsun_ions: it's to be used whenever packages are added or removed.06:04
[Aura] kingwanja|well i only scanned it06:04
crimsun_ions: upgrade doesn't allow for those.06:04
Atrophyyeah you have to make the ISO first before you can scan it06:05
lavigjcrimsun_: do I patch the make file?06:05
[Aura] kingwanja|i need bed , its 5am06:05
ionsoh, ok. the thing is I have 2 other machines with an identical sources.list and update history and they're not having this problem06:05
Atrophyok have fun d00d06:05
siggletI have a question about cdrecord tools06:05
Atrophyonce you get an ISO made you can check it against the md5 file06:05
siggletwhat is this command "fakeroot" for?06:05
crimsun_lavigj: use patch(1) to patch whichever files are specified in the diff06:05
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lavigjcrimsun_: ok... sorry. this is definately my first time doing this06:06
crimsun_sigglet: fakes root privileges, most useful for building packages.06:06
Atrophyomfg it's getting late...06:06
Atrophyhoary had better get my tv card working FAST!06:07
lavigjcrimsun_: patch(1) gives me a syntax error, patch -p1 fix-libtool-invocation.patch just seems to hang there with no processor usage06:07
[Aura] kingwanja|its getting late .. 5am its mega late :'(06:08
[Aura] kingwanja|i just said to myself earlier , i will try the live cd before i snuggle up in bed06:08
siggletcrimsun: root@idaho:~/cdrtools-2.0+a30.pre1 # fakeroot debian/rules dvd=yes cdrecord06:08
siggletbash: fakeroot: command not found06:08
YankDownUnder4pm - Wednesday06:08
crimsun_lavigj: you have to use the correct syntax: patch -p1 < fix-libtool-invocation.patch06:08
[Aura] kingwanja|that was ages ago :'(06:08
siggletI take it I need to install this package06:09
sigglethmmm06:09
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lavigjcrimsun_: well, that got me farture. it says it can't fin the file to patch at input line 306:09
Atrophyso go to bed Aura... that's what I should do too but I'm not cause I'm a nerd and it bothers me when something's not working06:09
lavigjcrimsun_: it is looking for makefile, but I have two of those in the directory06:09
lavigjcrimsun_: hang on, let me try somethign06:09
crimsun_lavigj: erg, Makefile?06:10
helio7help with scp syntax?  scp -P222 /var/log/XFree86.0.log 192.168.100:/  ...what's wrong?06:10
lavigjcrimsun_: yeah06:10
crimsun_lavigj: yuk, that's horrid.06:10
crimsun_helio7: what is -P222 for?06:10
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helio7port 222 i thought06:10
crimsun_you have sshd running on port 222?06:10
lavigjcrimsun_: I have 2 fiels that are similar, Maxfile.am and Makefile.in06:10
helio7oh i forgot i needed that for ipcop not ubuntu06:10
crimsun_lavigj: right, those are used to generate ./configure, which you'd execute to generate Makefiles06:11
lavigjah, ok06:11
lavigjcrimsun_: should I give ./configure a try again?06:11
crimsun_lavigj: might be easiest to simply start with a freshly untarred source tree06:11
lavigjand then attempt the patch?06:11
crimsun_lavigj: then apply the patch06:11
lavigjcrimsun_: ok, give me a moment and it shall be so06:12
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lavigjcrimsun_: same thing06:13
[Aura] kingwanja|nn \o06:13
crimsun_lavigj: could you give me a url to the patch?06:13
lavigjcrimsun_: you bet, but give me one thing to try06:13
lavigjer, let me try one thign06:14
AtrophyMmm.... lightly toasted hoary disc...06:14
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lavigjcrimsun_: ok, I did ./configure and now it gave me an error06:14
lavigj#flood...06:14
Atrophylol ./configure ALWAYS gives errors...06:14
lavigjAtrophy: no, the patch did06:15
lavigjAtrophy: after ./configure06:15
helio7uh why would i have a different password for scp than for sudo??06:16
crimsun_lavigj: the patch expects a very specific Makefile; what sort of options were supposed to be passed to ./configure ?06:16
crimsun_helio7: scp has nothing to do with sudo06:16
crimsun_helio7: use the remote user's passwd, not the origin's user06:16
lavigjcrimsun_: um... not sure.... here's the link to the patch file http://mirrors.wamug.org.au/gentoo/portage/app-crypt/steghide/files/fix-libtool-invocation.patch06:16
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helio7yeah I know i'm just surprised i forgot I had a different pw to scp into my desktop...  it worked i just don't know where that password is stored...06:17
lavigjcrimsun_: I may have screwed up and gotten a patch that won't work with the raw source06:18
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helio7anyway crimsun_ i finally succeeded in uploading XFree86.0.log http://pastebin.com/24529206:18
helio7thank you in advance for peeking at it (= for me it's well, a bit like advanced Sanskrit... I'm beginning to piece it together but I've got a long way to go06:19
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crimsun_lavigj: that's a one-line "fix," really...06:19
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lavigjcrimsun_: ok, I think I found something on the dev lists (now that I found those) and it might do the trick06:20
lavigjcrimsun_: let me give it a shot06:20
drgalaxyI want to switch from debian to ubuntu;  do most debian packages work in ubuntu?06:20
Atrophyyes drgalaxy06:20
Atrophyubuntu is completely debian based06:20
compmanio36ubuntu is a debian based distro06:20
drgalaxyAtrophy yes, was just reading, wasn't sure if it all worked though06:20
Atrophywoohoo!!! my hoary download is done!06:20
compmanio36where do you go to get hoary?06:21
drgalaxyone more Q: does ubuntu come with ALSA?06:21
stuNNedyep06:21
drgalaxyschweet06:21
compmanio36and do you think I should put it on over warty06:21
drgalaxysounds like its the distro for me06:21
drgalaxythanks guys06:21
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Atrophyno problem06:23
helio7compmanio hoary fresh install or hoary the upgrade?06:23
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compmanio36well, right now I don't have anything, cause I overwrote my ubuntu install with another distro I was trying out06:24
compmanio36then got rid of that06:24
compmanio36so I guess the fresh install06:24
WitigonenI'm trying to decide what flavor of Linux to install on my Acer Aspire 1661 notebook.  I'm familiar with Mandrake, Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu, so I'm trying to decide between one of those, though if somebody has another suggestion, I'll listen.  I was hoping I could get some opinions of why Ubuntu would be the best choice?  I personally can't decide...06:25
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drgalaxyWitigonen: if it is a fast computer and you like having the latest gnome I would say ubuntu06:26
helio7compmanio36: try http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-4/06:26
drgalaxyWitigonen when in doubt.. try the ubuntu live cd first06:26
lavigjcrimsun_: thanks for all your help, I am sorry I didn't find the lists sooner... I did find a work around. It essentially bypassed using libtool06:26
drgalaxydoes ubuntu come with the kernel source by default?  I kind of need ndiswrapper to get on the inet06:27
Atrophyok fairly soon my hoary disc will be lightly toasted and my efforts at world domination can begin in earnest!!!06:27
Witigonendrgalaxy: It's a P4 2.8Ghz.  Pretty fast (especially for a laptop).  I don't know about Gnome vs. KDE, though.  That's one stumbling block (in my mind) about Ubuntu - not that I think KDE is better than Gnome, but just which one I want on this laptop.  I've used Ubuntu before, it's great, but... well, to be honest, I'm very shallow when it comes to my desktop, I like it PRETTY.  One reason I use Linux is that I can configure how things look an06:27
Witigonenamazing extent.  I know that's not the best reason :)06:27
helio7what does "array-4" on the hoary page stand for?06:27
crimsun_4th milestone toward hoary06:27
helio7crimsun_ did you get my pastebin link?06:27
crimsun_helio7: sec.06:27
lavigjcrimsun_: 4th milestone?06:28
helio7np no hurry just makin' sure (=06:28
monoxide4th test release06:28
|QuaD-anyone know where kopete stores away msgs?06:28
compmanio36do you think Ubuntu could run on a old P2 333 MHz comp w/ intergrated ATI Rage 128 4MB?06:28
lavigjah06:28
lavigjcrimsun_: thanks again for all your hlep06:28
Atrophyok see you guys on the other side...06:28
drgalaxycompmanio36 sure, but I doubt using gnome 2.8 would be much fun06:28
drgalaxybye Atrophy06:29
johnnybezakcompmanio: mb, but you might want to use a different window manager06:29
helio7ah lavigj see each hoary release in the timeline here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule06:29
lavigjhelio7: cool. thanks06:30
helio7compmanio36: I've installe dubuntu on a few machines just like that06:30
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dragonaloha06:30
stuNNedhi06:30
dragonQuestion for you06:30
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GammaRaycompmanio36: how much ram?06:30
Atrophyok I'm back people06:30
helio7compmanio36: and it runs okay but I'm going to see if it'll run faster with fluxbox...06:30
johnnybezakfluxbox is sweet as06:31
compmanio36hmm........128 MB PC10006:31
compmanio36i think06:31
crimsun_helio7: your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is messed.06:31
dragonError: Unkown or corrupt file system, When pressing enter to start the install on a Powerbook G406:31
compmanio36yeah, I know fluxbox is less resource intensive06:31
crimsun_helio7: it's trying to load a module named "generic", which I've never heard of06:31
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compmanio36just don't know how to install it on Ubuntu06:32
helio7crimsun_ lol hmm06:32
GammaRayicewm is even less resource intensive06:32
johnnybezakflux is sexy too06:32
compmanio36well, I want something too that she can use intuitively, she is not computer-savvy06:32
compmanio36LOL06:32
Atrophylol06:32
Atrophywho is "she"?06:32
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drgalaxymy fav minimal desktop is xfce with fluxbox as a close second06:32
compmanio36i used it with a LiveCD distro, can't remember what it was though06:32
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compmanio36it was fluxbox or xfce as default06:33
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dragonExact error is "CD:2 /install/powerpc/vmlinux : Unkown or corrupt file system" Any way around this?06:33
drgalaxyso does ubuntu come with kernel sources by default?06:33
lunitikcompmanio36: I don't think there are LiveCD's with flux as default... a few with XFce though, so likely it was XFce... (looked kinda like GNOME?)06:34
bob2drgalaxy: no06:34
bob2dragon: check the md5sum of the cd06:34
lunitikdrgalaxy: they are easily installed though... apt-cache search kernel-sources to see some options... also 'kernel-headers' is probably all you need...06:35
dragonOh? I did. it checked out. Used K3b and the MD5Sum checked out06:35
dragon:-)06:35
drgalaxymy situation is that I can't get on the internet without ndiswrapper built against the kernel (cheap wifi pci card)06:35
drgalaxydo the sources come on the cd?06:35
lunitikdrgalaxy: uhh... where I say kernel... I really mean linux... linux related packages are called 'linux-*' in Ubuntu... 'kernel-*' in Debian06:36
drgalaxylunitik thank you, that is something to remember06:36
helio7crimsun_ i just pasted the previous XFConfig http://pastebin.com/245294 and the one that generated that log http://pastebin.com/245293 if you get a chance (or anyone else) I'm busy trying to rename references to "generic"06:36
pablo928What am I doing wrong? when I use cd browse_to_your_download_folder as a command, I get 'no such file or directory.06:36
dragonoooooh nm it just booted the kernal06:36
dragonwierd it started by itself06:36
dragonHAHA06:36
lunitikpablo928: tab is your friend when using bash.06:37
lunitikpablo928: probably typed something wrong06:37
GammaRaycompmanio36: here is xfce4: http://de.lunar-linux.org/xfce4/screenshots/snap_VII.jpg06:37
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bob2dragon: you're booting the default, right?06:37
GammaRaycompmanio36: here is icewm: http://pinsa.escomposlinux.org/sromero/linux/icewm/icewm_06s.jpg06:37
pablo928What do I do with the tab?06:37
dragoni was06:37
dragonit has been sitting here next to me servger06:37
dragonerr server*06:38
bob2drgalaxy: a) you don't need the sources to bulid the ndiswrapper module, b) you don't need to build it at all, it's part of the normal ubuntu kernel06:38
lunitikGammaRay: you can't really give an example of ICEwm... its got so many faces...06:38
dragonit just started the install by itself06:38
pablo928And I couldn't have typed wrong cause I copied and pasted the command.06:38
bob2drgalaxy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper06:38
drgalaxybob2: excellent!  you just convinced me of this distro06:38
lunitikbob2: whoa... didn't know that   :)    part of linux-restricted-modules... or?06:38
dragonWell i think i found the problem06:38
lunitikbob2: (ndiswrapper)06:38
bob2lunitik: I hope so06:38
dragonnow the installer is failing to mnt meh CD Rom06:38
GammaRaylunitik: How many places can you put the bar?06:39
lunitikGammaRay: huh?06:39
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crimsun_helio7: yep, changing "generic" to "nvidia" should fix things up for you.06:39
lunitikGammaRay: afaik, it can go anywhere... and look like anything...06:39
crimsun_helio7: I also commented out a few additional modules; see http://pastebin.com/24529606:40
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helio7thank you crimsun trying now06:40
GammaRaylunitik: I'll bet that shot is the most common setup though06:40
dragonWell to let everyone know. Im having trouble installing, I think the problem is my Tibooks CD Rom, It just starts read repeating and then the installer cannot mount it, Im trying a firewire CD Rom now06:41
lunitikGammaRay: heh... if you say so... I don't think I've ever seen that look before for icewm06:42
GammaRaylunitik: I don't mean the theme06:42
lunitikGammaRay: I don't only mean the theme either...06:42
GammaRaya bar at the bottom w/ a menu,pager,taskbar,monitor,clock06:43
FASTwhere do you change the color of the text of the icons on the desktop?06:43
lunitikFAST: in the gtkrc file located in the themes folder in /usr/share/themes06:44
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GammaRayin other words, you have to edit the theme06:44
Atrophylol06:44
lunitikGammaRay: thats what I said damnit  :P06:45
da_bon_bonhi al06:46
GammaRayprobably better to copy the theme to ~/.themes and then edit06:46
da_bon_bonif i do apt-get remove XXX the downloaded package file is removed too ?06:46
lunitikGammaRay: perhaps... heh06:46
helio7crimsun_ here's the new /var/log/XFree86.0.log errors after fixing it http://pastebin.com/24530006:46
bob2da_bon_bon: nope06:46
FASTlunitik, is there an easy way to change the colors? (i.e. from a gui tool)06:46
lunitikFAST: no06:47
Atrophylol06:47
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FASTwell. that blows somewhat.06:47
da_bon_bonbob2: thanks.06:47
Atrophynice, concise answers... I like that.06:47
Atrophyman the compy I'm installing hoary on has a bad CMOS battery06:48
Atrophyit makes it interesting to work with...06:48
crimsun_helio7: except that's the conffile, not the log file06:48
dragonok that didnt work06:48
GammaRayAtrophy: is that some kind of dinosaur?06:48
Atrophywhat's adm?06:49
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helio7doh!!06:49
dragonnow i get to the install screen and then it tries to install and says error mounting CD Rom06:49
lunitikhelio7: I think you were told to change 'generic' to 'nvidia'?06:49
Atrophynot a dinosaur... it's my K6-2 750!!!06:49
helio7lunitik i did that06:49
lunitikhelio7: not according to what you put in pastebin  :/06:50
crimsun_helio7: yeah, it still says "generic"06:50
dragonAny idea's? 2 different CD Burners, 3 CD's Same problem hehe :-) Have you guys had any issues with the firmware on Powerbook G4's (400) ?06:51
Atrophyok so far so good06:51
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helio7what I put in pastebin was an error I believe from my bad copypasting sorry06:51
Atrophyis SiRrUs still here?06:51
da_bon_bonwhat good does the "linux-headers" package do ?06:51
regeyaAtrophy: if it makes you feel better, I have a much slower k6-2 IN THIS ROOM, AND i'M ON A via c3-based box right now06:51
Atrophylol06:51
regeyasorry about the allcaps06:51
lunitikda_bon_bon: it allows you to compile modules without compiling the whole kernel... in this case...06:52
Atrophyyeah I have another K6 sitting next to me... a 54006:52
chillywi1lyoo-boon-too06:52
helio7hmm don't read the second one either something's going wrong gimme a minute si'm trying real hard here )=06:52
Atrophy540 LOL06:52
AtrophyI meant 45006:52
Atrophyor 400... can't remember06:52
da_bon_bonlunitik: ah, ok.. but for modules like squshfs that require complete source, i need the tree right ?06:52
Atrophyanyways I'm gonna get that one working after I do this one06:52
lunitikda_bon_bon: generally ensures you don't have to compile everything when you only want to compile a few kb's06:52
lunitikda_bon_bon: you shouldn't... but then, I don't really understand the point of 'linux-tree'  :/06:53
dragon:-x06:53
regeyaAtrophy: nothing wrong with that!  Not like you're going to be playing Halo-2 on that box, but when yo uconsider that some people still use NeXT boxes...06:53
Atrophylol06:53
Atrophyindeed06:53
helio7I dl'ed the new file via lynx and it got all gnarled up )= gotta try a different way06:53
AtrophyI'm all about the ghetto hardwarez06:53
da_bon_bonlunitik: ok.. thanks.06:53
AtrophyI have a 286 sitting in my living room LOL06:54
Atrophyit's about to be scrapped though cause I need the capacitors and stuff LOL06:54
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regeyaI haven't tried to power up the ol' tandy 1000 ex for a while.06:54
Atrophyooh and I have a VIC-20 in the closet06:54
bob2harvesting capacitors from 20 year old equipment seems like a bad idea06:54
Atrophybut it is missing its video cable :-(06:54
GammaRayAtrophy: is it holding up the bum side of your couch?06:54
regeyawonder if a.) it still works and b.) if my copy of king's quest still works06:54
drgalaxyold computers are hardly worth running when you consider the power they draw06:54
regeyadrgalaxy: so sue me.06:55
OrangeSlicehmm, oldest I've got is a commodore 64 :p06:55
lunitikbob2: nuh uh... its brilliant    8)06:55
drgalaxyregeya I can't, my power bill is too high  :)06:55
regeyaheh06:55
GammaRayTRS-80 (-;06:55
bob2lunitik: you know they degrade, right?06:55
bob2at least electrolytic ones06:55
regeyait's not like newer machines draw any less06:55
regeya;-)06:55
Atrophyindeed... I'm already running 3 to 4 computers at any given time06:55
lunitikbob2: note sarcasm   ;)06:55
drgalaxyregeya yes, but with one powerful computer you can do what 10 486's can do06:55
Atrophyif you get a mini-itx they draw less power06:55
AtrophyI am about to make me a NES-server with one06:56
drgalaxyteehee06:56
dragonoh well off to debian06:56
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drgalaxymy next puter is going to be in a briefcase with an LCD hacked inside06:56
da_bon_bonand what good does the linux-patch-ubuntu package do ?06:56
regeyadrgalaxy: my wife uses the k6-2 to run windows and ms office.  if there were 10 of her, they could all type at 20wpm and still not tax the k6-2.06:56
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bob2da_bon_bon: tons of good06:56
Atrophylol06:56
|QuaD-whats a k6-2?06:57
bob2da_bon_bon: look at the patch to see, or read the README or changeloge06:57
lunitikda_bon_bon: changes Ubuntu folks made to the mainstream kernel would be my guess...06:57
drgalaxyregeya yes, but you said 286 :)  k6-2 is what I use for windows development (soon to be gone thanks to QEMU)06:57
bob2|QuaD-: an old AMD cpu06:57
regeyaI never said 286, drgalaxy.06:57
|QuaD-ahh.... ok06:57
Atrophylol did you all hear that the next version of Fedora is gonna come with an open source VMWare?!?!06:57
AtrophyW00t!!!06:57
da_bon_bonbob2: like ? i mean, installing that package by itself wont help at all, right ?06:57
drgalaxyregeya oh sorry, I haven't been smoking enough pot06:57
regeyano way06:57
da_bon_bonAtrophy: u r joking.06:57
lunitikAtrophy: eh... Xen  :/06:57
regeyadrgalaxy, if you're trying to be insulting, scroll back first, then be insulting. ;-)06:58
lunitikAtrophy: its getting into mainstream kernel... so it'll be in Ubuntu too  :/06:58
|QuaD-according to vmware... if you attended linuxworld in boston and got your cardswiped there, you got a free version of vmware workstation, they still haven't emailed me the access code :(06:58
Atrophynope06:58
bob2da_bon_bon: not unless you build a kernel with it06:58
da_bon_bonbob2: ok..06:58
lunitikAtrophy: don't argue... k thanks06:58
bob2presumably Atrophy means qemu.06:58
regeyaI think you're referring to Atrophy, who already said it's going to be a parts machine :-)06:58
bob2which isn't special, since it's already in Ubuntu and Debian and ...06:58
AtrophyI didn't hear it'd be in the kernel06:58
drgalaxythey have always charged SO much for Vmware...  now that QEMU and epochs are coming of age I guess they are feeling the pressure06:58
da_bon_bonbob2: and the kqemu patch makes it rock!06:58
Atrophyaccording to Wired it was only gonna be in Fedora LOL06:58
lunitikbob2: nah.... Xen... Novell and Red Hat are going ape shit about it... as is IBM06:58
|QuaD-bob2: Xen is already in debian/ubuntu?06:58
lunitik|QuaD-: not yet06:59
bob2lunitik: Xen isn't like VMWare06:59
bob2|QuaD-: yes06:59
lunitikbob2: but thats what they mean  :/06:59
bob2|QuaD-: debian, anyway06:59
bob2da_bon_bon: and non-free and non-dsitributable!06:59
da_bon_bon:(06:59
da_bon_bonright06:59
da_bon_bonwhats Xen ?06:59
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|QuaD-interesting06:59
|QuaD-i wish vmware was Open sourced :)06:59
regeyaI don't see what the big deal is about the licensing fee for vmware...it's their code, they chose to keep it closed, and there's not a huge market for it.  I mean, other than wonks who want to run multiple OSes at the same time on the same machine for giggles, where's the market?06:59
Atrophylol07:00
regeyapeople developing OSes07:00
|QuaD-regeya: developing07:00
regeyaand07:00
regeya...07:00
Atrophyhey... there's a lot of wonks out there....07:00
lunitikda_bon_bon: an Open Source Virtual Machine... but it needs kernel modifications... so doesn't support Windows etc07:00
drgalaxyregeya people like me... I hate windows but sometimes have to test software I write on it07:00
bob2da_bon_bon: it's like a mainframe virtualisation thing.  it doesn't run unmodified code, the client OS's need to be modified07:00
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regeyaI have a much cheaper solution.07:00
|QuaD-i wonder how xen performs compared to vmware07:00
bob2da_bon_bon: so it only really works with Linux and NetBSD, iirc07:00
bob2|QuaD-: a ton faster07:00
regeyaactually, no, I don't.07:01
|QuaD-bob2: really?07:01
bob2there was a windows port but MS nuked it07:01
drgalaxyI know a windoze XP user who uses VMware to run another XP... to browse porn with07:01
regeyaI don't dual-boot on this machine.07:01
bob2|QuaD-: yes07:01
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bob2|QuaD-: very nearly full speed07:01
Atrophyhahahaha awesome07:01
regeyanevermind07:01
Atrophythat's a good idea for all your pr0n needs...07:01
|QuaD-bob2: wow... i wonder if windows will ever support it07:01
Atrophystupid... but entertaining.07:01
drgalaxyAtrophy: he wouldn't have a reason to do that if he didn't insist on using Internet Evil07:01
regeyaused to own a copy of win4lin, but it seems a little pointless these days07:01
|QuaD-hmm, i could start running all my servers in a xen vm then... that might not be a bad idea07:01
lunitik|QuaD-: probably not.... its backed by IBM and is open source... doesn't look good....07:02
Atrophylol...07:02
regeyaplus that whole thing of violating the eula right off the bat...*shrug*07:02
helio7http://pastebin.com/245307 crimsun_ lunitik thanks for the hand; this is my best classroom computer; so if I can fix it it will be used for educational purposes with kids again tomorrow (=07:02
Atrophywell it happens... my sister doesn't like Firefox because she doesn't like the download manager...07:02
Atrophy:: shakes head :: makes no sense whatsoever...07:02
drgalaxythat is strange..07:02
bob2|QuaD-: well, resupport it07:02
|QuaD-bob2: resupport it?07:02
bob2|QuaD-: windows was ported to it ages ago07:02
drgalaxyAtrophy : learn some XUL/JS/etc and implement an IE-like one :)07:02
Atrophylol07:02
Atrophyyou don't even have to do that07:03
regeyaungh.07:03
Atrophythere are settings to do that07:03
|QuaD-bob2: interesting.... was that by micrsoft's doing or xen's?07:03
drgalaxyoh thats neat07:03
Atrophybut of course she'd rather just use IE07:03
bob2|QuaD-: but since it requires modifications to the client (ie modifying Windows), no one but MS can continue it07:03
regeyaI love the download manager.07:03
drgalaxyhahaha my dad wouldn't switch from IE so we just changed the shortcut to point to firefox on his 'puter... professors aren't ususally computer people07:03
bob2|QuaD-: AIUI MS Research had people in cambridge assisting/supporting/somethinging with the Xen developers07:03
regeyamy wife got mad the first time I opened a tab in firefox, and left a window open on her machine.07:03
|QuaD-bob2: interesting... that owuld be nice for playing with win2k307:03
|QuaD-see why i love linux07:04
regeyasee, my wife is one of these people who refuses to ever learn to deal with any sort of fancy computing device07:04
Atrophylol07:04
regeyain today's job market, despite her education, she's what you call 'unskilled'07:04
Plukpoor bastard :) i almost have my gf to compile her own kernel07:04
Atrophylol yeah I'm what you call "mediocre grades"07:04
drgalaxysometimes it seems like education and skills are inversely related07:05
regeyaseriously, she's going for her master's right now, and when she's in front of a computer I wonder how she avoided having to take special ed classes.07:05
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regeyabut this is offtopic, and I'm tired, so good night ooboontoo users07:05
lunitikPluk: I'm sorry.... I usually have better things to do with my girl than teaching her to use my computer... I just make sure she doesn't touch it...   :)07:05
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Pluk:D lol07:05
drgalaxyyes goodnight07:05
da_bon_bonanyone on hoary here finds that he cant download the package *- cupsys ??07:05
helio7drgalaxy that's funny; I had a friend who was telling me she was concerned about firefox because of the IDN homograph spoofing issue... I was trying to show her how it's like a 1:100 balance of vultnerablities from FF:IE07:05
da_bon_bonin updating07:05
da_bon_bon?07:06
Plukim not a 4x a day person so there is some spare computer time :D07:06
Atrophywell I blame noone but myself for my bad grades, but I do know my stuff when it comes to computers07:06
Atrophyunfortunately, few will ever find that out...07:06
lunitikda_bon_bon: nah... worked fine here...07:06
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drgalaxyhelio7 weird! especially since you can type  about:config and turn off the IDN stuff07:07
Atrophylol helio07:07
drgalaxywhen was the last time a fix to IE didn't require a patch?07:07
Atrophyactivex controls, anyone?07:07
da_bon_bonlunitik: fuck! i cant even get the headers now, for gods sake!07:07
lunitikPluk: not only am I a 4x+ person... but it takes a long ass time... very little time for more productive activities... damn the bad luck  :P07:07
lunitikda_bon_bon: I'm sorry?07:07
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drgalaxyI get the feeling that ActiveX was designed and implemented by business majors07:07
Pluknah i wasted more time with windows on here machine so i fed here first debian and now ubuntu07:07
Plukand she loves it07:07
Plukand understand it07:08
AtrophyLOL drgalaxy ROTFLMAO07:08
da_bon_bonwhat do u guys do - install java from sun or the specially compile ubuntu package from neacm.pt... or other method ?07:08
poofyhairahh07:08
poofyhairjava from sun07:08
Atrophyno idea... I haven't gotten that far yet07:08
helio7from sun07:08
poofyhairas in the ubuntuguide07:08
Pluksun;s07:08
da_bon_bonok07:08
drgalaxyall it takes to be good at this stuff is motivation and reading skills07:08
Atrophyspeaking of which... how do I add my java bins to the path variable once I do?07:08
lunitikPluk: I usually date hot ditzes... they'd break something07:08
da_bon_bonAtrophy: in /etc/bash.bashrc export the patg07:09
AtrophyI'm currently dating a hot smart girl...07:09
Pluk:)07:09
da_bon_bonpath07:09
lunitikPluk: so long as you don't install the blasphamy that is Solaris.... Sun isn't so bad  :)07:09
drgalaxyin my book, 'hot ditz' is an oxymoron... the ditz part outweighs the hot part07:09
Atrophywho also happens to be a nurse and a sorority girl!  Jackpot!07:09
da_bon_bonAtrophy: shouldnt u be in bed with her, now ?07:09
Atrophyexactly drgalaxy07:09
lunitikdrgalaxy: my penis disagrees... who am I to argue?07:09
Atrophyno her back is hurt07:09
Atrophyshe's getting an mri on it in about a week07:10
da_bon_bonah, ok.07:10
Atrophyso she's at home taking lots of pain pills07:10
Atrophyto tell the truth my back's not doin' so hot either07:10
drgalaxymy gf is asleep here in my one room apartment07:10
Plukthat sux Atrophy07:10
poofyhairwhen is the prerelease comming out?07:10
Atrophyyeah07:10
Plukno *** for you :) ... or at least very carefull07:10
lunitikpoofyhair: no idea... probably around March?07:10
lunitikSeems like a good guess07:11
da_bon_bonhttp://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9793 - i'd kill the bastard who wrote this07:11
poofyhairI saw that07:11
poofyhairits crap07:11
Atrophyno there's never any *** for me07:11
Atrophylol07:11
poofyhairin the comments I tried to shread it.07:11
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poofyhairI'm a profesional writer, when Hoary comes I'm going to give it an EXPERIANCED review07:12
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Plukthat review is a joke07:12
da_bon_bonpoofyhair: hope its posictive07:12
lunitikda_bon_bon: With all the positive reviews... someone had to come with something negative...07:12
da_bon_bonthe cunt who likes kde - cant he install it from universe! bloody ppl dont read wiki and go shouting "bad distro"07:13
lunitikda_bon_bon: the first line pretty much screams "I'm an idiot" though... he admits he prefers KDE... but decided it was a good idea to use GNOME, and form judgement, even though he obviously doesn't know how to do things in GNOME  :/07:13
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da_bon_bonpoofyhair: under what name did u post comments ?07:13
AtrophyI've seen two "Getting there but not there yet" reviews of ubuntu07:14
poofyhairI think "poofyhairguy" or "poofyhair". thats me07:14
Atrophyand I would tend to agree except I choose a more positive outlook on it... I would use the word "promising."07:14
PlukUbuntu email is handled by Evolution, an Outlook clone. It's OK, if you want something to do a similar job to Outlook.  OMG that huy is a retard07:14
Plukguy*07:14
da_bon_bonpoobal: u with the same name on forums too, right ?07:14
PlukNO OFFENCE TO RETARDS07:14
Plukoooops caps07:14
Atrophylol07:14
Atrophythat made me mad that I couldn't uninstall Evolution, BTW...07:15
Atrophycause I prefer Thunderbird07:15
Atrophyoh well...07:15
Plukhmmm you can uninstall?07:15
Atrophynope because if you do it tries to take ubuntu desktop with it07:15
Plukthats no prob07:15
Plukubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage07:15
Atrophyit's integrated... as if you had an xp disc with sp2 in it07:15
Atrophywell I did it once and it uninstalled gnome-panel07:15
drgalaxylooks like the author of that article wrote the kpresenter user's manual... biased?07:15
Atrophyand that one's kind of important...07:16
Plukthen there was seomthing wrong07:16
Atrophyok07:16
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da_bon_bonAtrophy: what r u trying to remove ?07:16
AtrophyEvolution07:16
AtrophyLOL I just booted hoary... and it defaulted to 1600 x 120007:16
PlukAtrophy, from apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop :  This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu desktop system07:17
Pluk .07:17
Pluk It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are07:17
Pluk not desired.07:17
drgalaxyhttp://www.zen26041.zen.co.uk/  AH-HAH!  the author of that article is actually a SCIENCE FICTION writer !! that makes total sense07:17
poofyhairkool07:17
Atrophyit makes everything REALLY FREAKING TINY07:17
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poofyhairand a SUSE fanboy07:17
poofyhaircouldn't stand all the good Ubuntu press I guess07:17
drgalaxyteeheehee07:17
lunitikpoofyhair: nothing wrong with SUSE...07:18
lunitikpoofyhair: Novell are paying some of the best open source hackers around right now07:18
drgalaxyprobably going to see suse rolled out at schools... novell is really good at marketing to schools07:18
AmaranthThe only part of SuSE I like is the NLD part.07:18
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poofyhairNothing wrong with any distro, just some users can be dicks07:18
lunitikAmaranth: NLD = SUSE 9.2 with different branding  :/07:19
drgalaxyhula-project.org is really f'ing neat too07:19
Atrophylol07:19
|QuaD-Amaranth: yast? thats nice.... messes up config files but easy to use07:19
|QuaD-hula is amazing07:19
poofyhairI dislike yast07:19
|QuaD-i just wish it supported ical!07:19
poofyhaira lot07:19
Atrophyand remember, kids... Every OS Sucks...07:19
Amaranthlunitik: I know. :)07:19
drgalaxy|QuaD- why?07:19
neirasHey there; I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade for fun, and I'm now running Hoary. Unfortunately, I cannot update my kernel now; all kernel packages "Cannot be installed". Is there a trick to this?07:19
poofyhairbecause it want to do EVERYTHING07:19
|QuaD-drgalaxy: why what07:19
Amaranthlunitik: NLD == SuSE 9.2 with GNOME by default and _a lot_ of polish.07:19
error_29BeOs did not suck.  That's why it had to die.07:20
|QuaD-error_29: LOL07:20
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drgalaxywhy do you need ical?  in my understanding it is kind of half of a useful thing07:20
lunitikAmaranth: no... GNOME is not default... its the first choice on the first screen... thats like saying Tijuana is the default time zone in Ubuntu07:20
|QuaD-error_29: GNU/Hurd does not suck07:20
|QuaD-drgalaxy: calandar sharing is nice07:20
Amaranthlunitik: All their marketing stuff shows it running GNOME.07:21
drgalaxy|QuaD- yes, but ical just describes calendars.. you still have to redownload your buddy's ical file and merge it07:21
helio7crimsun_ others: allright I realize the last log I posted was completely cut short because I misnamed the dang config file here is the latest error log should anyone still care to help me http://pastebin.com/245309 (= thanks...07:21
error_29Linux doesn't suck.  Linux distros try hard to suck, and sometimes succeed.07:21
da_bon_bonapt-get doesnt seem07:21
|QuaD-hula & xampp is like a kickass combination07:21
AmaranthI've never tried it so I dunno if it would be good enough to make up for the SuSE base.07:21
|QuaD-drgalaxy: so?07:21
crimsun_helio7: sudo modprobe nvidia07:22
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lunitikAmaranth: whats wrong with the SUSE base? its the same one as Ubuntu for the most part...07:22
helio7not found )=07:22
drgalaxy|QuaD- wouldn't it be nice to have the basis for sharing be at least as functional as the M$ equiv?  how about some protocol for notifying people of updates?07:22
da_bon_bonapt-get cant download the cupsys update - it fails. can anyone tell me why ?07:22
Atrophylol07:22
helio7sudo apt-get install nvidia?  I definately had it at one point...07:22
AtrophyI always like the pecker-measuring contests that go on between distros...07:22
crimsun_helio7: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'07:22
|QuaD-drgalaxy: take it one step at a time07:22
lunitikda_bon_bon: dpkg already told you prolly.... what does it say in the error?07:22
|QuaD-drgalaxy: exchange is very $$07:22
da_bon_boni mean, apt-get hangs at "getting headers" and update-maanger cant get that package07:22
poofyhairI finally got my ATI driver to work last night07:23
poofyhairAfter months of hoping.07:23
da_bon_bonlunitik: failed to fetch XXX.. do u want to continue ?07:23
Amaranthlunitik: SuSE seemed much bulkier and ran slower on my machine. Plus I've had one too many bad expierences with RPMs.07:23
drgalaxy|QuaD- oh yes, I know.. I wouldn't want to use it.. but ical has been 'out' for a coupla years now and the insides of it haven't changed07:23
poofyhairThanks to whoever packaged the xorg ati driver07:23
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lunitikda_bon_bon: say yes... apt-get update again... and try again07:23
da_bon_bonlunitik: ok.07:23
poofyhairwith a little hacking, zsnes didn't seem as slow as molases07:23
|QuaD-drgalaxy: i think its nice.... basically so that i can keep my calandar remotely and have all my pims access it and change it07:23
|QuaD-drgalaxy: i don't really need it to share with others, but i have multiple pims07:24
lunitikAmaranth: you were imagining things... YaST is slow to load... but thats about it07:24
drgalaxy|QuaD- obviously you don't work in a group07:24
AtrophyPoofyHAIR!!!!07:24
Atrophywhich ATI card do you have?!?!07:24
lunitikAmaranth: and SUSE/Fedora/freinds don't make you play with RPM's these days07:24
|QuaD-drgalaxy: no i don't... not yet07:24
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|QuaD-drgalaxy: wanna hire me :)07:24
lunitikAmaranth: .debs are no different if you use them in original form07:24
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poofyhair9600 pro07:25
da_bon_bonlunitik: apt-get update'ed .. now using update manager, the 14 packages are alreayd downloaded.07:25
Atrophydamn...07:25
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AtrophyI have a 7500 AIW07:25
drgalaxy|QuaD- I'll hire you if you hire me :)  I'm a freelancer right now07:25
Amaranthlunitik: I know apt-get == yum, dpkg == rpm, etc07:25
helio7crimsun_ no packages found matching linux-restricted-modles-2.6.8.1-5-686.07:25
|QuaD-drgalaxy: hehe i am a student currently07:25
jeavishi I am using php, apache and mySQL where I need to save my files php to use them07:25
Amaranthlunitik: I've had the RPM database corrupt on me before on two different servers.07:25
zenroxto bad some of the loki games dont work07:25
lunitikAmaranth: no.... apt-get == apt-get ... activate extras, and 'yum install apt4rpm' (I think)07:25
poofyhairI always hated it....but now I do less....still want a NVidia card so I can play some newer games07:25
zenroxpoofyhair,  i love my new nvidia07:26
Amaranthlunitik: I was generalizing. :)07:26
drgalaxyAmaranth I have too... it is hell - especially if it is a remotely hosted machine07:26
crimsun_helio7: then you know which package to install.07:26
lunitikAmaranth: 'rpm --rebuilddb'  :/07:26
Amaranthdrgalaxy: It was.07:26
helio7crimsun_ i'm positive I had the nvidia module installed previously I don't know how it could have gotten corrupted or messed up any idea?07:26
Amaranthlunitik: iirc the one died in the middle of installing a package07:26
drgalaxylunitik rpm lets users mess it up beyond repair pretty easily07:26
Amaranthlunitik: That didn't save me.07:26
drgalaxyeven if you remove the /var/lib/rpm/___* files..07:26
crimsun_it's not corrupted; you simply need to install the new package per the kernel security update.07:26
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da_bon_bonlunitik: what if i dnld the file manually and put it in cache ?07:27
lunitikdrgalaxy: users shouldn't be using RPM's... bet you've never used a .deb07:27
Atrophyok I'm installing GATOS as we speak...07:27
Atrophy:: crosses his fingers ::07:27
jeavis<jeavis> hi I am using php, apache and mySQL where I need to save my files php to use them07:27
Amaranthlunitik: I've manually installed .debs before, it sucks. :p07:27
Atrophyso I need to reboot before the GATOS drivers will take effect?07:27
drgalaxylunitik how much you wanna bet I just upgraded 300 .deb's ?07:27
da_bon_bonAtrophy: whats GATOS ?07:27
Amaranthdrgalaxy: Without apt?07:27
chrismurfjeavis, this probably isn't the right forum for that07:27
drgalaxyno with apt, but I have done my share07:27
lunitikdrgalaxy: manually? or with apt?07:27
chrismurfjeavis, but you should be able to save them anywhere on your webserver07:28
Atrophygraphic drivers07:28
drgalaxyI was a redhat user for 7+ years, and a debian user for the last 8 months07:28
lunitikdrgalaxy: then thats not what I asked.07:28
chrismurfjeavis, /var/www/html probably.07:28
helio7crimsun_ apt-get install yields "...is not avail... referred to by another package... may mean it's missing, oboslote or avail from antorher source... no installation candidate...07:28
Amaranthchrismurf: THis is the place for that, he needs to know where apache serves files from.07:28
drgalaxyI have built a .deb before as well07:28
crimsun_helio7: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)07:28
error_29Does anything in linux let you use all-in-wonder capture cards?07:28
AmaranthAnd I have no idea where that is.07:28
lunitikhelio7: what were you trying to install?07:28
drgalaxyerror_29 yes, but tv capture/output doesn't work07:28
chrismurfjeavis, you need to make sure that php is setup with apache as well07:29
Amaranthjeavis: I always just create a public_html dir in my home dir and then access it from http://my-ip/~username/07:29
chrismurfThat will work as well, provided the server is setup to allow it07:29
ionsis there a page that lists what is currently in Hoary?07:29
jeavismmmmmmmmmmmmmmm07:29
helio7crimsun_ installed none candidate none version table: ...07:29
ionsand projected to be in Hoary?07:29
jeavismy-ip = localhost07:29
lunitikions: no07:29
ionsoh07:29
ionsboo07:29
|QuaD-Amaranth: thats how i do mine also :)07:29
chrismurfjeavis, yes07:29
Amaranthchrismurf: He setup the server. :P07:29
crimsun_helio7: uh, you have warty-security uncommented, correct?07:30
lunitikions: projected... kinda... the hoary seeds pages in the wiki07:30
helio7checking in /etc/apt/sources.list right?07:30
ionsoh ok, I'm looking at the wiki now I guess I just haven't gottne that far07:30
ionsthanks07:30
crimsun_helio7: yes.07:30
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lunitikions: search 'hoary' and look at the listings stating 'seed'07:30
da_bon_bonlunitik: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cupsys/cupsys_1.1.23-1ubuntu8_i386.deb07:30
da_bon_bon07:30
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Amaranthions: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ Go nuts. :)07:31
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lunitikda_bon_bon: go there and grap it... manually install it...07:31
error_29thanks drgalaxy; its the capture/output i wanted.07:31
ionsalready have ;)07:31
da_bon_bonlunitik: but why cant it get it ? i mean i can do it manually, but that doesnt solve the problem07:31
helio7crimsun_ i think so yes... both deb and deb-src warty-securtity main restricted are uncommented as per the guide at ubuntuguide.org07:31
AmaranthAnything that is going to make it into hoary will probably already be there.07:31
crimsun_helio7: please run sudo aptitude update07:32
error_29even BeOs managed to get AIW tv working, with a plug-in, tho' it wasn't pretty07:32
jeavischrismurf: Thank a lot07:32
helio7crimsun_ and then attempt re apt-get module in question, correct?07:32
lunitikda_bon_bon: who knows? but chances are it won't have issues after....07:32
jeavischrismurf: If I use php, mySQL and Apache. I can do all in /var/www/07:32
crimsun_helio7: yes07:32
drgalaxyerror_29 just type 'ati linux' into google man07:32
da_bon_bonlunitik: after ?07:33
Plukda_bon_bon, did you apt-get update before?07:33
helio7crimsun_ it's dl'ing atm...07:33
lunitikerror_29: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryHardwareHowto07:33
Atrophyok I've installed GATOS... now what?07:33
da_bon_bonPluk: twice07:33
lunitikda_bon_bon: after you fix this issue...07:33
Plukcuz cupsys installs just fine07:33
da_bon_bonlunitik: maybe !07:33
lunitikda_bon_bon: try it...07:34
helio7crimsun_ you are my hero lol (= yay i'm into gnome again... /sigh of relief... what did I do wrong to make X break??07:34
da_bon_bonPluk: problem aint in install - it is in downloadin07:34
da_bon_bonlunitik: sire07:34
da_bon_bonsure07:34
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lunitiksire07:34
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da_bon_bon:)07:34
lunitikuhh... ignore that... meant to type in dictionary07:34
da_bon_bonlunitik: FYI, apt-get hangs at "waiting for headerS" this gives any clues ?07:35
Plukyeah its the dowloading part cuz i can also just download the deb from the link you posted07:35
crimsun_helio7: nothing07:35
lunitikda_bon_bon: not really... because you are online...07:35
lunitikda_bon_bon: and site is up etc...07:35
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helio7it was some sort of incompatibility with the kernel module and the security patches???07:36
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crimsun_helio7: the kernel (linux-image-*) update necessitated a bump in the abi, which necessitated a bump in the corresponding linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)07:37
Atrophyhmm... looks grim, folks07:38
error_29Dr galaxy- i've BEEN typing "ati linux" into google for years, thank you.  Figured you geniuses had something figured out.07:38
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helio7so if that happens again crimsun the simple answer is sudo aptitude-update?  and then re-download the new nvidia module?  Did this affect a lot of folks or was my case a rare aberration?07:39
lunitikerror_29: I told you.... http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto07:39
drgalaxyerror_29 its all right there on the first link: http://www.ati.com/support/faq/linux.html07:39
crimsun_helio7: the first thing that you should do is check if linux-image-$(uname -r) is installed, and if so, if it is up-to-date07:40
crimsun_helio7: next, check linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r); see if it's up-to-date07:40
error_29thanks lunitik.  I'm not really trying to get the vid capture working right now; I was just wondering, apropos the comments about GATOS, whether progress had been made with AIW07:40
drgalaxythis should be the topic of every irc room: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html07:40
drgalaxynot that I am the model follower of those instructions..07:40
crimsun_drgalaxy: we try to be very forgiving for the first couple rounds :-)07:41
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lunitikdrgalaxy: eh... always felt I was being rude when I pointed users there in the past07:41
Atrophyhehehe you and me both Error 2907:42
AtrophyI'm having the same problem07:42
drgalaxylunitik feel free to PM me if you want me to tell someone about it :)07:42
error_29I keep windows running on another machine simply 'cause that's my TV!07:42
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helio7crimsun_ i don't really understand the syntax $(uname -r). but is there a forum thread that delas with this? I understand in concept what you're saying but as far as me sitting down and saying "Ok commandline: check and see if something is up-to-date... what's the actual command?07:43
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Atrophyhow do you change it so you can graphically log in as root?07:43
crimsun_$(uname -r) tells the shell to execute the uname -r command07:43
PlukAtrophy, sudo gdmconfig .. but do you really want to do that?07:44
Atrophyyes07:44
lunitikhelio7: $(uname -r) tells bash to use the result of 'uname -r' in place of it07:44
error_29Can anybody recommend a text editor that has automatic URL highlighting (clickable links) ?  Metapad in windows does that07:44
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helio7oh so man uname will tell me more about this then right?07:45
AtrophyI have to to run the GATOS-config07:45
lunitikuname just tells you about your machine07:45
hbrednekerror_29: Emacs can do that if you set the mode correctly07:45
lunitikuname -r = kernel revision07:45
lunitikerror_29: OO.o's Word Processor does that.07:46
AtrophyI feel your pain error 2907:46
AtrophyLOL only now I have a real tv in addition to my ATI card...07:47
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error_29hbrednek, thanks, I figured Emacs could do that, but so far I haven't been able to set modes at all...07:47
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lunitikAtrophy: please utilize tab key if you wish to get peoples attention   ;)07:48
Atrophytab key?07:48
da_bon_bonlunitik: as in nick completion ?07:48
lunitikOtraphy: its harder to see when its not correct07:48
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lunitikda_bon_bon: yes07:48
AtrophyI'm not an IRC person07:48
Atrophysorryz07:48
da_bon_bonAtrophy: first 3 letters of nick then TAB07:49
lunitikAtrophy: type lu[tab] 07:49
|QuaD-nick completion is great... don't know how i could ever live without it07:49
error_29I feely your pain Atrophy.07:49
hbrednekMy CUPS daemon doesn't seem to allow connections from outside localhost.  Its predecessor on Knoppix handled external connections without a problem.  Is there some configuration I need to do to make this possible in out-of-the-box Ubuntu?07:49
da_bon_bonAtrophy: fuckin hell! u r on bloody windows07:49
Atrophylol07:49
Atrophyyeah... I'm on the other side of my kvm while fixing my linux box07:49
Atrophygot a problem with that?07:49
da_bon_bonno07:49
AtrophyPiss off.07:49
Atrophylol07:49
da_bon_bondidnt know that07:49
da_bon_bonsorry man07:50
error_29ah, that's how you do it, lunitik! Atrophy! and here I thought everyone just typed real fast07:50
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Atrophylol just kidding07:50
Atrophyanyways yeah I'm using my windoze box to keep the IRC connection alive no matter what happens to my ubuntu box07:50
da_bon_bon|QuaD-: u r on linux-686 bah!07:50
lunitikerror_29: oh we do... but we're also smart... thus, if you can type less charactors... why not do it?  :P07:50
da_bon_bonwhats the DVD got ? more software, anything else ?07:50
|QuaD-da_bon_bon: thats what you think... you can change those replies07:50
da_bon_bon|QuaD-: right.. i know that.07:51
da_bon_bonok.07:51
|QuaD-da_bon_bon: :)07:51
|QuaD-its a mystery as to waht i am on07:51
lunitikerror_29: plus, some people have U53r|\|4m35 like that... no one wants to type that   :P07:51
|QuaD-actually not really07:51
|QuaD-you can figure it out :)07:51
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PlukAtrophy, sudo gdmconfig .. but do you really want to do that?07:52
error_29I wish autocomplete in the ubuntu command line thing worked the same way, lunitik07:52
error_29instead of always filling in what I don't want07:53
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lunitikerror_29: umm... it does07:53
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error_29with tab, lunitik?07:53
Atrophylol @ Pluk07:53
Shinigamijoin #religion07:53
Shinigamisorry :)07:53
lunitikerror_29: it beeps if there is more than one file matching string... else it completes07:54
Plukwhat Atrophy ?07:54
error_29I must be using a different thing07:54
error_29I'm talking about the mini command line you can add with "add to panel" .  I mean, the IRC autocompletion is less distracting.07:55
helio7now I just need a script to re-parse my irc file and edit out everything but people that were talking to me over the last 3 hours that helped me fix this machine so I can memorize some of what I learned... too bad I'm not a programmer or that would be a cinch07:55
lunitikerror_29: env | grep SHELL07:55
error_29thanks lunitik.07:55
lunitikerror_29: what does it output there?07:55
kenthelio7, /lastlog yournick   (it will show only messages to you, i think07:56
helio7but seriously crimsun_ and lunitik ... thanks a million for helping me restore gnome/X to my classroom  box07:56
error_29type -- "gedit" etc, and whole file name of last files shows07:56
Atrophywell shiznit...07:56
helio7kent: hmm i'm in gaim would it matter?07:56
Atrophyumm... the gatos conf script won't work because I have x.org and not x11...07:57
error_29I'm just saying, this "first few letters then tab" way seems better07:57
Atrophyhow to get GATOS to work?07:57
lunitikhelio7: if you turned on logging in gaim, then they have a nice little log viewer doo-hickey07:57
|QuaD-lunitik: the one that comes standard with gaim?07:58
lunitikhelio7: goes by date and everything07:58
lunitik|QuaD-: yeah07:58
|QuaD-ok :)07:58
|QuaD-lunitik: do you knwo of any gaim log statistic viewers? something that makes statistics about my logs?07:58
da_bon_bonlunitik: manually dnlding and install the file worked! :)07:58
helio7ok it's on now can I view it retroactively lol?07:58
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lunitik|QuaD-: no, sorry...07:59
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lunitikda_bon_bon: yay07:59
error_29speaking of log files, x-chat doesn't seem to give us the option to save the logs elsewhere than in the x-chat directory-- am I missing something?07:59
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lunitikhelio7: umm... sure... I think... heh08:00
helio7|QuaD-: stats for a log? sounds like a mmorpg parsing plugin lol08:00
Atrophyok umm does anyone know how to get GATOS working withoug the conf-script?08:00
|QuaD-helio7: does one exist?08:00
error_29anyone using festival with x-chat?08:00
lunitikAtrophy: other than 'go get the conf-script'?08:00
helio7|QuaD-: never heard of one for IRC08:00
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|QuaD-helio7: blah :)08:00
helio7|QuaD-: =P08:01
da_bon_bonanyone using festival with gaim ?08:01
helio7|QuaD-: was free associating didn't mean to mislead ya08:01
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lunitik|QuaD-: cool... irssi can be pretty minimililstic too though... its kinda nice...08:01
lunitikda_bon_bon: don't think you can?08:01
|QuaD-lunitik: thats why i use it :)08:01
|QuaD-helio7: no fears ;)08:02
lunitik|QuaD-: uhh... I mean XChat08:02
|QuaD-da_bon_bon: whats festival?08:02
da_bon_bonlunitik: havent tried..08:02
da_bon_bon|QuaD-: festival speech synthesier08:02
|QuaD-lunitik: xchat can't be used over screen :)08:02
seyhi08:02
da_bon_bonsizer08:02
|QuaD-da_bon_bon: oh08:02
error_29Speech synthesis |QuaD-08:02
lunitik|QuaD-: all thats on my screen is tabs at the bottem... the text area... and the window manager...08:02
seyi am a new in ububtu chat08:02
Atrophythanks for the smart ass answer, lunatik, but I have the script... it won't work with x.org tho08:02
lunitik|QuaD-: eh... I don't really need Screen... only one box here...08:02
helio7oh I really want to know howto connect to IRC from inside my school district's firwall... they proxy/filter all content and although I can connect to gaim with MSN/yahoo/Aim etc IRC seems totally blocked... anyone know a workaround?08:02
|QuaD-lunitik: but you can't use xchat in screen08:02
Atrophyit's trying to create/edit an x11 conf file08:03
|QuaD-lunitik: i use screen  A LOT08:03
lunitikOnly one box with linux*08:03
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helio7|QuaD-: you use irssi over-screen? as in translucent?08:03
|QuaD-lunitik: me too :) putty in the lab, ssh on my cell phone08:03
|QuaD-helio7: eh?08:03
lunitikhelio7: no08:03
lunitikhelio7: man screen08:03
lunitik|QuaD-: cheater08:04
|QuaD-lunitik: i use screen soo much08:04
|QuaD-i wish i could use a cli version of gaim :)08:04
Atrophylol that would be interesting...08:05
kengurwhat's the simpliest script in bash to perform a command on all the files in a given directory?08:05
lunitik|QuaD-: I used to use it, for instance, when I couldn't be asked to start an X session, but wanted to copy and paste... but other than that, never much had a use... (gpm just made me want to hurt babies, so that was bad and stuff)08:05
|QuaD-lunitik: gpm?08:06
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lunitik|QuaD-: General Purpose Mouse... use the mouse in a terminal... apt-cache show gpm08:06
|QuaD-lunitik: i don't need that :) i use a terminal for kb only access :)08:07
|QuaD-hehe08:07
|QuaD-screen does me well08:07
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|QuaD-i have like 6 screens open now :)08:07
adazhello08:07
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lunitik|QuaD-: exactly... hence screen for copy and paste... cuz I know of nothing else that works so cleanly  :)08:07
AmaranthIf you really like screen you might like ratpoison.08:07
lunitikAmaranth: nope08:07
adazhow can I modify the screen resolution? it doesn't offer me 1600x1200/72Hz08:08
|QuaD-lunitik: i don't follow, why do you need screen for cutting and pasting08:08
|QuaD-Amaranth: whats ratpoison08:08
lunitikAmaranth: X is for using a mouse08:08
helio7you can use screen without X?08:08
Amaranthhelio7: Yes, it's in a terminal...08:08
lunitikhelio7: you can't use screen with X08:08
da_bon_bonwhats "screen" everyones talking about ? :-O08:08
|QuaD-helio7: you can use screen with x?08:08
lunitikumm... that came out wrong methinks08:08
|QuaD-Amaranth: what is it08:08
Amaranthlunitik: You can still use the mouse.08:08
Amaranth|QuaD-: Like screen but it's a WM.08:08
Atrophyok guys I'm switching machines for good this time08:09
Atrophypeace out08:09
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adazIn Ubuntu, how can I modify the screen resolution? it doesn't offer me 1600x1200/72Hz08:09
|QuaD-Amaranth: i don't need a wm08:09
|QuaD-i need a cli tool08:09
error_29da_bon_bon, man screen is pretty interesting08:09
lunitikAmaranth: thats what I'm saying... GNOME etc allows you to use a mouse more effectively... ratpoison is painful... screen is useful when you aren't using X...08:09
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da_bon_bonadaz: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf on hoary08:10
lunitik|QuaD-: eh... Screen is a Window Manager for your terminal08:10
|QuaD-i am using screen and x08:10
|QuaD-:)08:10
|QuaD-terminal in kde08:10
|QuaD-hehe08:10
da_bon_bonXFconfig86-4 on warty08:10
bur[n] ergnome and mouse effectively?  /me still can't mousewheel on teh desktop ;)08:10
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Plukscreen is a terminal multiplexor08:10
|QuaD-screen is a lot of things :)08:11
adazda_bon_bon: thanks, and what do I change there?08:11
Plukscreen cant make coffee :(08:11
da_bon_bonam i alive08:11
da_bon_bonam i heard ?08:11
da_bon_bonplzzz reaply08:11
bur[n] erscreen is my multitasking over ssh08:11
adazI have warty08:11
lunitikbur[n] er: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4... in section "InputDevice" change whatever to 'ImPS/2' and restart X08:11
|QuaD-bur[n] er: yeah08:11
bob2da_bon_bon: please stop it08:11
bur[n] erlunitik: uhh... that won't do it08:11
da_bon_bonbob2: sorry, i thought i was dead. very sorry.08:12
error_29screen, and Emacs, and basic command line syntax is my homework for like the next five years08:12
bur[n] erit's a gnome/nautilus thing08:12
lunitikbur[n] er: uhh... why?08:12
da_bon_bonadaz: the "screen" section08:12
bur[n] eri mean mousewheel to change workspaces08:12
lunitikbur[n] er: it's doing it here  *shrug(08:12
bur[n] erlike in kde/fluxbox/xfce08:12
lunitik*shrug*08:12
error_29I'd love to never use a mouse again08:12
adazda_bon_bon: thanks, I try it:)08:12
bur[n] erlunitik: warty? or hoary?08:12
lunitikbur[n] er: ohhh... eh... bitch at jdub about that  :P08:12
bur[n] ermaybe it's something new?08:12
Plukmousewheeling the desktop rox08:13
lunitikbur[n] er: how come ctrl+alt+left/right isn't good enough?08:13
bur[n] erhehe, well, there's bug reports on the gnome bug system, and it's patched for the workspace switching applet, but havoc pennington objects08:13
error_29Synaptics touchpad in ubuntu is no fun08:13
da_bon_bonplease tell me whats "screen" ...08:13
lunitikda_bon_bon: man screen damn it08:13
bur[n] erlunitik: then i gotta move my hands from the mouse08:13
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Plukwhats wrong with it error_29 ?08:13
error_29da_bon_bon, please type "man screen" in a terminal08:14
lunitikbur[n] er: umm... ok08:14
adazda_bon_bon: and how can I set what screen depth to use?08:14
error_29Pluk, it's very very , um... twitchy!08:14
ellsda_bon_bon what is up08:14
bur[n] erjust nitpicking ;) but it's annoying when i loved it in other wms ;)08:14
helio7wow |QuaD- & lunitik I'm trying to grok "man screen" so you can use it in standard terminal window without loading X and you can also use it within a terminal window is that correct?  if I can figure out how to copy paste without X i'll be happy indeed08:14
error_29Very hard to highlight stuff08:14
da_bon_bonlunitik, error_29: didnt realize it was a /command/ 1! how can i expect a manpage for every word.. :P08:14
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error_29sorry da_bon_bon, but someone had already mentiioned 'man screen'08:15
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Plukerror_29, what protocol you use for synaptic in xorg.conf?08:16
JonasNZi fixed the grub problme08:16
JonasNZbut now i dont know what the root password is08:16
da_bon_bonJonasNZ: whats problem ?08:16
da_bon_bonPluk: whats a synaptic protocol ?08:16
JonasNZgrub would install but i forced lba in the bios and now it works08:17
JonasNZbut now i can su08:17
JonasNZcos i dont know the root password08:17
Pluklol da_bon_bon, do you want to know everything of everything08:17
JonasNZi didnt set it to anything at anypoint08:17
error_29I have done any customizing in xorg.conf, Pluk08:17
error_29complete noob here.08:18
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Plukerror_29, paste ur xorg.conf here: http://nopaste.biz/08:18
Plukmaybe i can take a look at it08:19
error_29Thanks Pluk, speaking of noob questions -- when reading man pages in gnome terminal, how do I get back to the command line without killing the screen and opening it again?08:20
Plukpress q :D08:20
Plukthe q (quit)08:20
bob2error_29: ctrl-z08:20
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bob2error_29: %1 to go back to it08:20
error_29thanks bob208:20
error_29bob2, that's just giving me an error.  As I said, I need to sit down for however long it takes and learn basic bash etc commands08:22
bob2er?08:23
bob2"that" = ?08:23
helio7since we're on the topic of noob questions please remind me the typical 4-letter flag after tar when trying to unpack and install tarball?  "tar -xfvz or something?08:23
error_29I'll shut up now, just log this stuff, and figure it out when I'm more thoroughly de-windowsized08:24
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da_bon_bonerror_29: press Q08:24
zenroxhelio7, tar -xzvf for tar.gz for tar -xjvf for tar.bz208:24
bob2helio7: -zxvf08:24
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bob2helio7: the order matters, f has to be last08:24
error_29ah hah, thanks da_bon_bon!08:25
helio7thanks (=08:25
da_bon_bonhow do i configure festival to use esd on ubuntu ?08:25
helio7i'm going to write it on my arm "xzvf" i need a pneumonic lol08:25
lunitikbob2: gah... thanks... didn't know that  :)    ... I knew I would learn something useful from those %# thingers  :)08:25
bob2error_29: oh, you were asking how to quit man without killing the terminal?08:25
bob2lunitik: the -f flag tells tar what file to work on08:25
error_29yes bob208:26
lunitikbob2: remember my head hurting last time I read about them in man bash  :)08:26
entiusHi, i have added repository  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/  but synaptic can't connect!08:26
error_29Q is it!08:26
da_bon_bonanyone got festival running on ubuntu ?08:26
entiusis that repository down? or i am configuring it badly?08:26
lunitikbob2: ahhh... not that... the 'ctrl+z' and '%1' thing... using bash's cache (I think thats how they refered to it)08:26
error_29da_bon_bon, you keep reading my mind08:27
da_bon_bonerror_29: as in ?08:27
helio7and bob2 when you do the ./configure part it's often ./configure usr=/bin right?08:27
error_29I'm wondering the same thing08:27
bob2lunitik: 'job control' is the usual term08:27
da_bon_bonah, ok08:27
bob2helio7: er, no08:27
bob2helio7: --prefix=/usr/local/08:27
Plukhmm sounds cool festival08:27
Plukgonn try it08:28
lunitikbob2: thanks... I should look through bash's man pages more  :(   thanks for the tip though  :)08:28
helio7bob2 thanks that would apply for all installs or just most?  (I'm doing fluxbox atm)08:28
error_29There's a gstreamer plug-in for festival in Synaptic08:29
lunitikerror_29: 'repos'... not only is it less charactors... but its more correct  ;)08:29
bob2helio7: you don't want to install random crap from source into /usr/08:29
bob2helio7: also, fluxbox is in Ubuntu08:29
bob2helio7: it works for most programs using autoconf, which is most programs with a ./configure script08:30
bob2lunitik: better to read a tutorial on it08:30
bob2man pages are reference material for stuff you already mostly know08:30
lunitikbob2: know of any that are fairly easy to understand? most I have read seem a little too much like programming  :)   (not that I'm not open to that, just having not programmed much, its hard to get your head around some concepts most mention)08:31
helio7bob2 fluxbox like 2years old is in ubuntu I guess that's a fairly abandoned stage... 0.9.12 is considered "fairly" stable from what i've heard and I think it's a lot different from the one in the repositories08:31
bob2it's not 2 years old08:32
bob2please don't spread silly FUD like that08:32
bob2and hoary has 0.9.9-108:32
helio7sorry bob2 that's what I was told in #fluxbox08:32
bob2lunitik: no, sorry08:33
lunitikbob2: been meaning to look into Python too, just haven't made the time to learn08:33
lunitikbob2: its ok, thanks though  :)08:33
bob2lunitik: python is good fun08:33
error_29ubuntu installed plenty of python!08:33
error_29that's all I seemed to see scrolling down the screen, python this, python that08:34
lunitikbob2: I went to their site... looked through the tutorials... even the one for people with little to no programming experiance was complicated to me though... but its been a goal for a while... so I will get my head around it eventually  :)08:34
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error_29gdesklets do neat stuff with python08:34
bob2lunitik: getting the gist of programming takes a while, but once you do, most languages aren't too hard to learn08:34
bob2python is especially easy in that regard08:34
error_29I've never gotten past "hello world" in anything, but python and ruby look appealing08:35
lordanerror_29, I really recommend ruby08:35
lordanit *is* nice08:35
lunitikbob2: thats good to hear... starting to have the time now, mostly done with school... just need to get my head down and learn08:35
da_bon_bonanyone got festival running on ubuntu hoary ?08:35
error_29that's what I hear, lordan08:35
lordanthat's not saying python isn't, but we all have our preferences08:36
lordanand ruby has some perlisms that make me feel comfortable08:36
bur[n] erwhy not stick to perl?08:37
lordanbut which some others balk at08:37
da_bon_bonerror_29: got festival working ?08:37
lordani do perl as well08:38
lunitiklordan: pretty much everything (even .NET via IronPython) seems to have the ability to be extended with Python... and with EssentialPython via Ubuntu, its uses are growing all the time08:38
error_29Not yet, da_bon_bon, just marked it for download08:38
lordanlunitik, that is true08:38
helio7bob2: if you goto http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net you can download the latest "devel 0.9.12" which is "maintained also stable" or you can dl the latest stable (old, unmaintained) (v.0.14) ... if you check their archives it's "         / Fluxbox 0.1.14 released! /  2002.12.09-12:00 CET" and it's confirmed atm in #fluxbox... so I don't think it's FUD bob208:38
lordanand as I said, I have nothing against python08:39
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lordanI'm just more accustomed to the perl/ruby way of doing things08:40
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helio7maybe there's someway to access it via backports, but the standard synaptic or apt-get will get you a 2year old fluxbox08:40
da_bon_bonerror_29: u use synaptic ? bad!08:41
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error_29da_bon_bon, I'm a noob here, I'm trying to be cautious with apt-get08:41
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da_bon_bonanyone know which package provides "esddsp" ?08:42
lunitikda_bon_bon: how is the preferred method bad?08:42
lunitikda_bon_bon: polypaudio and friends (-x11 and -alsa)08:43
da_bon_bonlunitik: i am on polyp. i want esddsp to use festival08:43
helio7which package do I need to compile C++?08:43
bob2helio7: install build-essential08:43
helio7thank you bob208:43
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error_29aaargh, gnome won't let me drag a link to a document into a panel to make a launcher for it08:43
lordanda_bon_bon, works fine here..08:44
lunitikda_bon_bon: polypaudio provides esddsp08:44
da_bon_bonLorchaos: no special configs. ?08:44
da_bon_bonlordan:08:44
da_bon_bon^^08:44
error_29I hate the unpredictability of these panels08:44
lordannothing special. just apt-getted polypaudio and festival08:44
da_bon_bonlunitik: polypaudio is latest version for me.08:44
bob2helio7: I'm really sure 0.9.9 is not two years old08:45
lunitikda_bon_bon: then you shouldn't have issues.08:45
error_29can't drag favicons from firefox into a panel and have them work either, without editing the command08:45
da_bon_bonlunitik: then festival doesnt work..08:45
bob2shockingly08:45
lunitikbob2: 0.9.9 isn't in warty though, and he is using warty I'd guess08:45
error_29what's polypaudio?08:45
lunitikda_bon_bon: cool... file a bug?08:45
helio7bob2 no it's v 0.1.4 that's from December 2002 that is the build you get via apt-get standard08:45
lunitikerror_29: replaces esd08:45
bob2helio7: there is no "apt-get standard", you mean "in the warty release"08:46
lunitikhelio7: he uses hoary... hoary has 0.9.908:46
helio7yes08:46
mystifycan anyone help me please?08:46
error_29thx lunitik.  Would I need to remove esd if I installed another sound server?08:46
helio7warty is what I meant08:46
lordanmystify, hard to tell08:46
lunitikmystify: only if you tell us whats wrong, deal?08:46
mystifysure, well do you know what WINE is?08:47
helio79.9 is 4/26/0408:47
lunitikmystify: yes08:47
mystifyim having trouble installing it08:47
lordanwine is no emulation :-)08:47
lunitikhelio7: cool... bother the maintainer08:47
helio79.12 is 1/18/200508:47
helio7huh lunitik?08:47
lunitikmystify: what is 'trouble'?08:47
Plukfestival works ok here08:48
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helio7what do you mean lunitik bother the maintainer?08:48
mystifythe last step on the instructions say to dpkg -i wine*.deb as root08:48
lunitikMaintainer: Matt Hope <dopey@debian.org>   <-- send him an e-mail telling him you think he should upload 0.9.1408:48
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lordanmystify, why didn't you just apt-get install?08:48
mystifyi did, i think08:49
lordanok08:49
lordancan't remember seeing a message like that08:49
lordanthen again I've never tested wine since I installed it08:49
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lunitikmystify: apt-get install wine wine-utils winesetuptk libwine-alsa08:50
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error_29Wine downloaded fine with Synaptic.  I don't have it now, reinstalled ubuntu completely08:50
membreyaback :)08:50
lunitikmystify: don't really need wine-utils or winesetuptk... but might as well get them anyways  :/08:50
helio7lol lunitik he's in fluxbox irc atm and I just was asking (=08:50
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mystifyim trying to install a game called enemy-territory (wolfenstien) and its not really working out i think its because of wine though08:51
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lunitikhelio7: umm... I'm not laughing... arguing with bob2 on the matter is worthless, gets nothing done... e-mailing him etc might  :/08:53
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lunitikmystify: very probable... wine doesn't do DirectX that well08:53
bob2er08:53
helio7lunitik: if 9.9 is supported in hoary that's wonderful.. I don't see a problem that's cutting edge enough if you want more cutting edge you can compile it yourself right???08:54
lunitikbob2: er to you too08:54
membreyalunitik: isn't wolfenstein ogl?08:54
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bob2flubox isn't supported in any release of ubuntu08:54
lunitikhelio7: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/fluxbox/08:54
lunitikmembreya: no idea08:55
mystifyok, how do i open a php file?08:55
BROKEN_LADDERoh my gawd this is funny.  two of my friends passed out in tahoe this weekend and had the ulitimate slide show taken of the ensuing mayhem.  http://brokenladder.com/drunk_in_tahoe.ppt08:55
helio7ok so i'm mixing my language... since I'm not a developer I'm still new to the lingo... supported versus designed for the distro is a big difference I realize...08:56
bob2why on earth would someone put that in the form of a power point presentation?08:56
bob2mystify: in what ever editor you normally edit code08:56
bob2helio7: it's not designed for it, either08:56
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mystifyso how do i fix this?08:57
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BROKEN_LADDERbecause he made it as a set of ordered slides.08:57
BROKEN_LADDERi dunno.  they work for intel so i guess they love m$08:57
helio7bob2 well maybe you could school me in the correct terminology; i defer to your expertise... I wasn't trying to cause a stir08:57
BROKEN_LADDERbut trust me, it's funny.  you can open it with open office in linux.08:57
lunitikBROKEN_LADDER: why is your username familier?08:58
mystifywhere do i get the correct character coding for a php file?08:58
BROKEN_LADDERi dunno..08:58
BROKEN_LADDERcause i'm a broken ladder.08:58
BROKEN_LADDERwhat do you mean?08:58
error_29more like a broken record08:58
BROKEN_LADDERhow am i like a broken record?08:59
BROKEN_LADDERhow am i like a broken record?08:59
error_29cute08:59
lordanuh oh08:59
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|QuaD-"If you kiss your child, or your wife, say that you only kiss things which ar ehuman, and thus you will not be disturbed if either of them dies"08:59
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|QuaD-how messed up is that08:59
|QuaD-hehe08:59
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mystifysomebody plz help me08:59
neilI'm using warty on an IBM laptop that has a US keyboard. The system language is Japanese. In Gnome I have my keyboard set to US. When I hit the ` key I get `. So far so good. When I hit shift-`, I get `. I was hoping for a ~. Everything's groovy at the console. Anyone have any ideas?09:00
membreyagot a better one |QuaD-09:00
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membreya"success leaves trails" :P09:00
|QuaD-membreya: i have to write a paper on this guy09:00
lunitik|QuaD-: I'm pretty sure if my wife or child died... I'd be kinda disturbed + sad  *nods*09:00
membreya|QuaD-: what guy? :|09:00
|QuaD-we are learning about this philospher in intro to ethics09:00
|QuaD-epictetus09:00
membreyalunitik: ...that's why being a sociopath is sometimes helpful :)09:00
membreyalol...teaching ethics09:01
membreyacute :)09:01
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|QuaD-membreya: hehe, its a requirement, last class i NEED to graduate09:01
mystifyhow do i get the correct character coding for a php file?09:01
auraxhello09:01
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=== lunitik thinks philosopher's are overrated
lunitikAnyone can come up with crazy ideas, and prove a decent percent of them...09:01
auraxanyone knows why hoary with xorg doesnt support i810 video chipset ?09:02
error_29|QuaD-, if you're interested in Epictetus, you should read Tom Wolfe's novel A Man in Full09:02
lordanaurax, it does09:02
|QuaD-error_29: i DEFINITELY am not interested in him09:02
|QuaD-he has some good points.... but he is too twisted09:02
error_29Epictetus figures big in there.  good novel too09:02
|QuaD-whats man in ful labout?09:02
dashanyone here using bluetooth with ubuntu?09:02
helio7allright all; thanks for the help; respect to all who give of their time and energy helping in this channel; goodnight09:02
lunitik|QuaD-: you should be, you'll get a better grade, promise  :)09:02
lunitikhelio7: goodnight09:03
bob2dash: yes09:03
error_29|QuaD-, it's kind of an epic about a tycoon in Atlanta09:03
|QuaD-lunitik: i can't be interested in everything, i htink philosphy is retarted.... there are sayers and doers.... engineers/scientists are doers (or tryers :) ) people like philosphers are just sayers, wtf do they do, they sit and write this crap09:03
lunitikGuess thats all he wanted to know?09:03
dashbob2: sweet! i am looking for the "send via bluetooth" menu option in nautilus but i am not finding it. do you have such a thing?09:03
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|QuaD-error_29: a little more detail?09:04
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auraxhmm09:05
mystifyanybody know anything bout character coding for a php file?09:05
auraxxorg supports 845g?09:05
neilmystify: What are we talking about? Dos vs Windows or UTF-8 vs EUC_JP?09:05
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error_29|QuaD-, I think you should google people like Bertrand Russel, then talk about philosophers not being doers.  And Marcus Aurelius, while your at it09:06
dashpfft09:06
lunitikerror_29: you're  ;)09:06
dashwhat did bertrand russell ever do09:06
canovaphilosophers are doers too. the be-ers are the useless people09:06
error_29fuck I'm tired.  I just typed "your" for "you're"  . that's always a sign it's time to go to bed09:06
mystifysay what?09:06
bob2dash: don't think so09:06
|QuaD-error_29: back in the day they were doers, people like aristotle basically defined science as it is today09:06
bob2I don't use nautilus very much09:06
dashcanova: you forgot the most useless class of people, actually09:06
dashcanova: "IRCers"09:07
lunitik*cough* daniels *cough* help *cough*  :P09:07
canovahaha!09:07
canovag109:07
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|QuaD-error_29: but philosphy shouldn't be studying these people, it should be creating your own philosophies :)09:07
bob2if you bug daniels too much, CHI will intervene09:07
lunitikbob2: CHI?09:07
|QuaD-bob2: you told me who to talk to about the mailing list problem i was having, i forget who it was though, was it jdub?09:08
lunitikbob2: but he's so good at getting people to stop talking about offtopic subjects  :(09:08
mystifyi downloaded this game called enemy-territory and it came out as a php file....im wondering where to find the correct character coding for it09:08
bob2|QuaD-: yeah09:08
|QuaD-bob2: ok09:08
dashbob2: Bummer.09:08
bob2mystify: unless the php file is hundreds of megs, I bet it download properly09:08
error_29I wish I could create my own operating system (for example) without studying anyone else's...;-)09:08
mystifyit is about 245 mb09:08
neilFWIW, philosophers expand and clarify rational thought which, while not building orphanages or starting a war, is still a hell of a lot more than some MTV watching slacker does in our modern society.09:08
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membreyaneil: yes but at least I have a real job :)09:09
helio7eep one more thing what about configure error: flusbox requires the X Window System libraries and headers?09:09
lunitikhelio7: x-dev I think09:09
error_29It seems to me that much of the math and computer logic that helps make this technology possible is tied in to the "thinking" and "doing" of many philosophers09:09
neilmembreya: ;)09:10
lunitikhelio7: yeah... apt-get that09:10
helio7ty ty lunitik09:10
|QuaD-error_29: there are soo many operating systems that need work.. why not work on one of them :)09:10
membreyaerror_29: ...philosophers dont do09:10
membreyathey think09:10
membreyaphilosophy is the art of reflection :)09:10
error_29I was joking membreya, just at the idea that philosophers shouldn't be studied.09:11
bob2mystify: it's not php then09:11
error_29I'm no kind of software developer.09:11
|QuaD-error_29: haha :)09:11
mystifyit says it is09:11
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|QuaD-*love09:12
umarmungmystify, right click the file->properties and look at the mimetype.09:12
lunitikmystify: file whatever_filename09:12
lunitikmystify: Unix doesn't care about extensions09:13
error_29Hackers dissing philosophers reminds me of rock and roll fans who say they hate the blues09:13
bur[n] erw00t... mouse-wheeling on the gnome workspace switcher in hoary changes workspaces :)09:13
mystifythe mimetype is applications/x-shellscript09:13
umarmungmystify, that's the correct mimetype09:13
mystifyyes it is...what do i do?09:14
neilThe answer to:09:14
neilI'm using warty on an IBM laptop that has a US keyboard. The system language is Japanese. In Gnome I have my keyboard set to US. When I hit the ` key I get `. So far so good. When I hit shift-`, I get `. I was hoping for a ~. Everything's groovy at the console. Anyone have any ideas?09:14
neilis:09:14
umarmungmystify, change permissions to executable, doubleclick it and chose 'execute'09:14
umarmungmystify, if everything works right, a terminal window should pop up09:15
neilThe system is set for a us keyboard, gnome is set for a US keyboard, X is set for JP. Be enlightened by bretheren.09:15
mystifywow...that helps09:15
mystifyhaha09:15
mystifythank you SOOOOO much09:15
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error_29speaking of keyboards, I want to use "us with dead keys" but it's a pain in the ass.  Not as good as Windows US-international.  Are there any alternatives out there09:16
lunitikmystify: chmod +x the_file && ./the_file09:16
mystifysay what?09:16
mystifyi think i got it to install now09:17
lunitikmystify: never mind then  ;)09:17
lunitikmystify: I thought you were being sarcastic on account of the use of caps09:18
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mystifyhaha09:20
mystifythanks guys, its totally working now09:20
helio7any idea what do do if ./configure output says "could not find XOpenDsiplay in -lX11"?09:20
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membreyacompiling a module ..and my motherboard uses nforce 309:20
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membreyashould I just enable amd and nvidia ide support and kill the rest?09:21
bob2helio7: install xlibs-dev09:21
helio7thanks bob209:22
neilmembreya: I'd just drop in the nvidia support (AMD is likely for an AMD motherboard chipset rather than the processor), but I'd compile it directly in rather than a module.09:22
membreyacool :)09:23
membreyahopefully my system still boots09:23
membreyaall I want it friggin DMA for my dvd drive09:23
neilhdparam not working as it is, eh?09:24
helio7cd09:24
helio7oops wrong window09:24
membreyaneil: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives operation not permitted09:24
membreyaand my dmesg says ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx09:24
membreyaProbing IDE interface ide0...09:24
neilGotcha. Going for the specific driver makes sense. Only one way to find out...09:26
membreyawow...there's 10gb ethernet :|09:26
membreyahah there you go09:26
membreyahmmmm where do I select the forcedeth module? (reverse engineered module for nvidia(09:26
membreyafound it :)09:27
membreyaits under 100mbit :|09:27
membreyaliars!09:27
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neilNo clue. What I am waiting for is 10Gbit broadband in 2009 here in Japan. And I thought 100Mbit was good. ;)09:28
neilNo clue on that module that s09:28
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membreyagah isdn support09:30
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nubeirogdday ;-)09:31
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nubeiroanyone with hoary on an ibook?09:31
bob2yes09:31
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nubeirogreat!09:32
nubeirobob2: can you tell me which kernel are you using?09:32
nubeiroI'm on 2.6.10, with xorg, got the mini-dvi out to work09:32
bob2I was using 2.6.8.109:32
nubeirobut still don't get it to sleep09:32
bob22.6.10 doesn't have the g4 sleep patch09:32
bob2nor does .11, afaik09:32
nubeirogeesh09:33
nubeiroshame09:33
nubeirodo you have it?09:33
bob2hah09:34
bob2funny story09:34
bob2I lent benh my laptop so he could get it working09:34
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bob2so it came back from him with a working kernel09:34
bob2but the tests had somewhat screwed the filesystem, so I reinstalled09:34
johnnybezakyou guys know those pictures that are made up of loads of little pics? anyone know what theyre called or where i could get a script for one?09:34
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membreyagah09:34
membreyawhere's the support for i2c with nforce3!09:35
membreyastupid mofo kernel!09:35
bob2johnnybezak: montage?09:35
nubeirobob2: so you lost it right?09:35
johnnybezakbob2: no sort of like a mosaic of small pics to make up a big one09:35
bob2nubeiro: yeah09:35
poningrumosaic?09:35
bob2nubeiro: and now it doesn't seem to build with 2.6.1009:36
nubeirobob2: so you tried to patch 2.6.10 and it didn't build? is that right?09:36
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bob2fabio did and it didn't boot for anyone, iirc09:37
bob2I'm pretty sure it's 2.6.9-only still09:37
nubeirotoo bad09:37
bob2yeah09:38
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membreyashould I compile in ALSA?09:43
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caiphnHi, anyone bored and feel like helping out a newb?10:08
|QuaD-sure10:09
|QuaD-whats up10:09
|QuaD-just ask your questions10:10
|QuaD-don't ask if someone wants to answer10:10
caiphnSure. Keep in mind I'm a complete newbie and have never used Linux before up until two days ago, so some of this is gonna seem pretty silly.10:10
caiphnI was going through the FAQ&Walkthrough section in the forums, and one of them said to get the kernel that was specific to your computer.10:10
caiphnAs I have an AMD chip, it got the K7 Kernel, however now NDISWrapper won't load so I can't go on the net.10:11
bob2take the forum stuff with a grain of salt, tho10:11
jdubcaiphn: dude, there was a time when i thought linux was a brand of dental floss. we were all beginners once. :-)10:11
|QuaD-jdub: haha10:11
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|QuaD-actually, jdub i need to ask you a question about the mailing lists10:11
caiphnIs there a way I can eliminate the other other Kernels that are being shown in Grub now?10:11
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jdubcaiphn: uninstall them in synaptic10:11
caiphnThe new ones, as I don't want them on there as I can't seem to get NDISwrapper to work with them.10:12
|QuaD-i am noticing that in digest mode, it doesn't display a Date header10:12
brainvanyone know bittorent site?10:12
monoxide_i used to think linux was a old dead OS....10:12
|QuaD-brainv: LOL10:12
brainv=] 10:12
bob2brainv: cdimage.ubuntu.com has torrents for most of the cds10:12
|QuaD-bob2: i was just about to say that :)10:12
bob2brainv: if you mean something else, you're asking in the wrong channel10:13
bob2on the wrong IRC network10:13
brainv=] 10:13
brainvprobably ur right =] 10:13
brainvs/site/irc network10:13
caiphnSO I would just remove 'linux-k7' then, wouldn't I?10:14
basculeedit grub.lst10:15
|QuaD-jdub: ?10:15
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TerrellI got a question, I just got an Ubuntu CD, and when I try load the CD and install it, it shows a bunch of umount errors, and then the computer reboots.10:16
jounicaiphn Do you have tested synaptic package manager?10:16
caiphn'tested'? I have synaptic package manager.10:17
caiphnI just don't want to remove the wrong thing.10:17
caiphnI should just remove all instances of anything installed with 'k7' at the end, or..10:18
bjugisI have problems with loading X. Don't know what happend, but now it just won't start. I only get some warnings about EDID in Xorg.0.log(http://84.202.69.32/~bjugis/Xorg.0.log).10:18
|QuaD-jdub: i am going to bed now, if you have a solution to that mailing list problem, can you send me a pm to read when i wake up in the morning10:18
TerrellAny help?10:19
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caiphnWell, I'll assume that's right, as I don't know what else to do. I'll tell you all how it goes ...10:20
basculeTerrell: has it actually finished installing, or does it not get going?10:20
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TerrellDoesn't even get to the installer.10:21
basculeno idea then10:21
TerrellDamn10:21
TerrellStupid computer.10:21
basculeyeah they are rather10:21
TerrellI've been having some bad problems with hard drive. =\10:21
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basculeTerrell: well that may be it10:22
TerrellWell.10:22
t31someone that knows how to use the gdesklet starterbar?10:22
TerrellI got windows into it.10:22
basculemaybe not the drive then ... :)10:22
Terrell=p10:22
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membreyadamnit10:22
membreyagot a kernel panic on my new kernel >:(10:22
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jdub|QuaD-: you've described something but not indicated the problem10:23
basculemembreya: vailed to mount root VFS10:23
basculefailed*10:23
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membreyabascule: yup10:23
basculeheh, forgot initrd, alternatively put your root fs type in the lerne as a * not m10:23
membreya...what now ? :P10:24
basculenever use initrd personally, so if it's ext3 make sure you have it 'hardwired'10:24
basculerebuild it ...10:24
membreyaoh :)10:24
membreyagotcha10:24
membreyamake ext3 as inbuilt10:24
membreyanot as a module :)10:24
shockhmm... how do i rip to mp3 - not ogg?10:24
basculeor do mkinitrd <something or other>10:24
shock:/10:25
basculeshock: use grip and tell it to use lame not ogg enc10:25
shockk - thx10:25
basculemembreya: yup that is it10:25
membreyabascule: I'm going to need to go thru everything again ?10:26
membreyaor does it save what I had?10:26
membreyain the src directory10:26
basculenah just that bit, dont make mrproper and it should have .confog saved10:26
bob2why are you building a kernel to begin with?10:26
basculeconfig10:26
membreyabob2: because DMA is not active for my cd drive10:26
basculecaiphn: don't play with those please10:27
membreyaand on an amd64 3200+ dvd's look like crap10:27
bob2caiphn: please don't do that10:27
membreyahdparm -d1 /dev/hda says operation not permitted10:27
caiphnbascule: I wasn't playing, I just typed in /ping #ubuntu.. I was just wondering why no one was responding, seeing if there was some lag.10:27
bob2membreya: as root, right?10:27
basculeroot10:27
membreyabob2: yup10:27
membreyawant the strace? :P10:27
bob2no10:27
bob2caiphn: just don't do it, please.  thanks.10:28
jounicaiphn Synaptic, sections base-system linux-image???k7 I guess. I am still beginner10:28
basculeis it SATA?10:28
bob2there's no need to ever do it.10:28
membreyabascule: ATA10:28
caiphnGear down, sorry, big friggin' deal.10:28
bascule:-/10:28
membreyaonly my harddrive is SATA10:28
membreyadmesg says10:28
bob2wow10:28
basculeSATA hard drive, yes that is what I meant ...10:28
membreyaUniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha210:29
membreyaide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx10:29
membreyaProbing IDE interface ide0...10:29
basculehdparm won't function on SATA10:29
membreyabascule: yes it's a SATA HDD ...120gb western digital..going to get another 200gb and make my system fully ubuntu10:29
basculeit is compleetelt different10:29
basculehdparm won't function on SATA10:29
membreyabascule: I'm hdparm -d1 /dev/Hda <--- notice hda10:29
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basculeOK10:29
bascule<-- never used SATA, I assume that is /dev/sda10:30
membreyabascule: that's the one :)10:30
membreyabascule: strace of my hdparm http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/something.txt :)10:30
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basculemembreya: it isn't using SCSI emulation is it10:31
membreyait's using sata_nv for the sata drive :)10:31
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bob2membreya: do you have ide-scsi loaded at all?10:32
bascule14109 access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)10:32
bob2ignore that10:32
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membreyabob2: only ide modules loaded are ide_generic, ide_disk, ide_cd, ide_core10:33
basculewhat about p11x or similar for your chipset?10:34
basculepiix rather10:34
bob2don't you need a chipset-specific module to get DMA working?10:34
basculeyes10:34
membreyabob2: hence the recompile10:34
membreyaI'm recompiling it with nforce drivers10:35
bob2er10:35
bob2that doesn't require a recompile10:35
basculemaybe you could just modprobe it off the original kernel, don't see why it wouldn't be there10:35
membreyabob2: how would I get it to automagically load ?10:36
basculeok nForce drivers it needs then, kernel source and off you go ...10:36
bascule/etc/modules.preload10:36
basculeor /etc/modules10:36
basculeor something similar10:36
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membreya/lib/modules?10:37
basculeput it in /etc/modules, then it gets loaded at boot10:37
basculewell it will end up there any way I presume10:37
bascule /lib/modules that is10:38
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membreyahmmm another thing is ..I run an amd64...my kernel is amd-64-generic..should I run that or amd-64-k8?10:42
basculedepends on th nforce drivers really10:43
basculeif they will build k8, sure, if no ...10:43
membreyai think I will just do the recompile10:43
membreyafun and learning experience :)10:43
basculeusing a straight tar.bz2 or ubuntu source?10:44
knitemy warty box is fubar..  :((((10:45
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membreyatar.bz2 from repo's10:45
membreya2.6.10-310:45
basculeOK10:45
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bascule<-- recoils from distro source builds, just a ...thing...10:46
knitehalfway through booting up the kernel, random colorful characters fill the screen, and the computer freezes10:46
basculecool!! :))10:46
AcidWolfjust installed ubuntu on my Apple G4 powerbook and it runs beutifuly10:46
ernstpdaniels, you were really quick with fglrx 8.8.25, what's up with 8.10?10:46
AcidWolfhas KDE been released to run on it10:46
basculeknite: try using vga=normal as a oot option10:46
bascule*boot option10:47
ernstpknite, of video=vesafb ?10:47
ernstpor10:47
knitebascule: hmm... i don't htink I've messed with the vga setting, so I don't know why that might be wrong.  i'll try that tho10:47
kniteI recently updated my kernel through synaptic...  maybe that was the culprit..10:48
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basculeit is10:49
basculenVidia card?10:49
shockhey - does anyone know a WM where I can run a terminal at absolute fullscreen (no borders) and still have a menubar at the bottom (battery life, time, desktop)10:49
basculesome funky Eterm flags might do it10:50
kniteit's an old video card..10:50
knitemaybe a geforce2 gts?10:50
basculeEterm --borderless -geometry(damn,big) etc ...10:50
basculeknite: nVidia and framebuffer is often a problem10:50
basculeunless it gets compiled in hard10:50
knitedoes warty use framebuffer by default?10:51
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basculeand *never* tnt10:51
basculeyes10:51
knitei see..10:51
knitevga=normal will disable fb use?10:51
basculerivafb is a real killer for anything nVidia not riva ...10:52
basculeyup10:52
knitealright, that's my best lead so far then.  it seems odd tho that this crops up after a kernel upgrade (same kernel version, different package number)10:52
membreyabascule: ...do you think maybe I should go with 2.6.11?10:52
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basculeIf you want, I couldnt get nvidis 6211 to go with it though, so ...10:53
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shockah... screw mp3's ... long live abcde!!!10:53
shock*grrr*10:53
membreyabascule: what RC?10:53
bascule410:53
basculeno patches10:54
bascule2.6.10-ac1210:54
basculemy current10:54
membreyahrm...anyway to see hardware supported in 2.6.11 rc4?10:54
basculesame as 2.6.10, and another couple ;)10:55
membreyaI wanna know if nforce3 is supported10:55
basculenvidia.com10:55
membreyasince the modules only go to nforce2 in 2.6.1010:55
basculeforuns are usually worth a search10:55
basculeforums*10:55
basculeah I never knew that, well that is again nVidia, not kernel people, they are proprietry10:56
basculeor are there nForce drivers in the kernel?10:57
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membreyanForce drivers in the 2.6.10 kernel..but only for nforce310:57
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basculecertainly no ATA DMA drivers10:59
membreya#$!@#!@10:59
membreyagah!10:59
basculeno nForce drivers in there at all, just i2c and cpufreq10:59
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membreya*sigh* the i2c11:00
membreyais it nforce 2 or 3?11:00
basculenever got it to work personally, maybe try again soon11:00
bascule211:00
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WeeTeeHello11:01
WeeTeeI'm having trouble with sound in Ubuntu. It worked in warty, but stopped when I updated to hoary11:01
WeeTeeAnyone have ideas how to start debugging it?11:01
basculelsmod11:02
basculealsamixer11:02
bascule/etc/modules.conf11:02
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basculels -l /dev/snd/*11:02
jeavisHow I can put my emacs in php mode11:02
WeeTeeWell.. I think that everythings as it should be..11:02
basculepolypaudio?11:02
WeeTeeI'll try that11:03
basculesome folk have had problems with it11:03
AcidWolfanyone able to get kde running on Ubuntu11:03
shockjup11:04
shockhere11:04
shockbut i strongly dislike kde11:04
shock:P11:04
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AcidWolfoh ok11:04
basculemasochist then ... nice :)11:04
AcidWolfwhy whats it run like11:04
shocktoo much windows-advanced feeling :P11:04
AcidWolfoh11:04
shock:P11:04
AcidWolfhow did you get it running11:04
shockno seriously kde is pretty awesome11:04
AcidWolfand what gui are you using now11:04
shockright now Im using gnome11:05
AcidWolfoh ok11:05
shockbut im looking for something slimmer11:05
basculexfce411:05
AcidWolfbut you have got the option to switch to kde whenever you like11:05
shockso kde is out of the question11:05
WeeTeelsmod shows about 10 lines of snd_ modules11:05
bascule.me jumps up and down waving a flag11:05
AcidWolfyeah xfce i love11:05
AcidWolfbut i cant find it for ubuntu11:05
shockno xfce is too much wannabe-not-slim11:05
shock:P11:05
shockxfce is in universe11:05
AcidWolf:p11:05
basculeWeeTee: /dev entries?11:05
AcidWolfis it11:05
shockjup11:05
AcidWolfok so then seeing as this is only a 30 min old install11:05
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AcidWolfim going to have to add a few things to /etc/apt config11:06
WeeTeecrw-rw----  1 root audio 116,  0 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/controlC011:06
WeeTeecrw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 24 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c11:06
WeeTeecrw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 16 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p11:06
WeeTeecrw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 25 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D1c11:06
WeeTeecrw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 26 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D2c11:06
WeeTeecrw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 27 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D3c11:06
WeeTeecrw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 20 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D4p11:06
basculeyikes11:06
WeeTeecrw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 33 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/timer11:06
AcidWolfor sources rather11:06
WeeTeeSorry for flooding :)11:06
shockyes11:06
socketbindeww :D11:06
shockhold on11:06
bascule/dev/dsp11:06
bascule/dev/mixer11:06
tgaWeeTee: better do an /exec -o find /dev11:06
basculelol11:06
socketbindanyone using sun java 1.5 on ubuntu?11:07
WeeTee_ /dev/dsp exists, same rights as those above11:07
socketbinderr on warty?11:07
basculegroups returns ...?11:07
Amaranthsocketbind: I am.11:07
WeeTeegroup: command not found :)11:08
socketbindamaranth: do you experience extreme delays when the browser plugin loads?11:08
Amaranthoh, not on warty11:08
bascules <------11:08
AmaranthI don't uset the browser plugin.11:08
Amaranths/uset/use/11:08
socketbindwell i need it11:08
socketbindi develop applets too11:08
socketbindit's getting on my nerves, it is very slow11:08
AmaranthI know the flash plugin lags like hell. I suppose the Java one probably would too.11:08
WeeTeebascule, my user is in group audio, if that's what you meant11:09
socketbindhmm flash plugin is ok at me11:09
Amaranthreally?11:09
basculeWeeTee: yes11:09
Amaranthmine skips and jerks when i try to play flash games with it11:09
socketbindyes, it's feels a little fast11:09
socketbindheh strange11:09
basculeI really don't know then, one last dirty nasty hack to see if it soundcard or daemon:11:09
WeeTeebascule, What's bugging me is that sound worked fine in warty11:09
basculeturn the volumes up ...11:09
WeeTeeThey are..11:10
socketbindthe other thing i wonder why all games bail out in gnome11:10
basculecat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp11:10
socketbindi think the culprit is the sound server11:10
basculeget ready with control c11:10
Amaranthdamn, bascule beat me to it11:10
socketbindafaik gnome uses esd?11:10
basculeheh11:10
Amaranthsocketbind: in warty, yes11:10
WeeTeeWhoa! It printed it..11:10
socketbindhoary uses another amaranth?11:10
basculecat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp printed something?11:10
WeeTeeYeah. Random chars11:11
socketbindwell the other thing I never managed to set up dmix without drawbacks11:11
basculeyou put the > in ...11:11
Amaranthsocketbind: hoary uses polypaudio11:11
WeeTeeI think so :)11:11
WeeTeeI'll try again11:11
socketbindhuh, never heard of it11:11
socketbindis it because gnome 2.10 changed esd to that?11:11
WeeTeeOk, I probably didn't.. Now it works, but no sound :(11:12
basculesound card then, got aumix ?11:12
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WeeTeeNo11:12
socketbindwell the funny thing is, this is the only distro that handled esd properly for me11:12
basculedoes alsa mixer have any mutes marked11:12
socketbindweetee what kind of card do you have?11:13
basculeor say [Off]  at the top of the entry11:13
WeeTeeLine, Mic, Mic boost, IEC958, PC Speaker are muted11:13
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basculebut that is all11:13
socketbindWeeTee: mute IEC Capture Valid and Capture Monitor11:13
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WeeTeeI'm on a laptop.. The sound card is Intel 82801DB-ICH4 according to Alsamixer :)11:13
socketbindif there is one named like that11:13
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WeeTeesocketbind: I'll see, just a sec11:14
=== socketbind too
BezNalogovCan anybody tell me if Ubuntu supports sata? I have a Seagate SL3200822AS11:14
bob2of course11:14
WeeTeeThere are IEC958, which is off and11:14
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BezNalogovWell, for other distro's it's not "of course", I just can't get it working there11:14
WeeTeeIEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA, which is on11:15
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WeeTee...but didn't have volume there..11:15
WeeTeeI'll see if that was the problem11:15
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WeeTeeNope11:15
socketbindno capture valid or capture monitor?11:15
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WeeTeeWell.. I'm in playback view in Alsamixer. They'd be somewhere else?11:16
socketbindlast time i've seen some workarounds for these stupid ac'97/iec958 cards in geexbox11:16
socketbindwhat card do you have weeteee?11:16
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WeeTeesocket, Intel's integrated11:17
YankDownUnderAnyone install XFce4.2 on Hoary?11:17
socketbindWeeTee: snd-intel8x0?11:17
WeeTeesocketbind: Alsamixer says Intel 82801DB-ICH411:17
socketbindthen it should be snd-intel8x011:17
socketbindit's the proper driver for ICH4 chipsets11:18
WeeTeesocketbind: Yeah, that's loaded in lsmod11:18
socketbindincluding this piece of cr*p like mine :D11:18
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basculeI have ICH5, same thing though11:19
socketbindWeeTee: did you read this? http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=intel8x011:19
basculehow about snd-pcm-oss11:19
WeeTeeI'll go read that11:19
WeeTeebascule, It's loaded too11:20
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basculek11:20
socketbindwell maybe this isn't the correct docs weetee just a sec, sry11:20
basculeyeah, /dev/dsp and /dev/audio wouldn't be there otherwise11:20
socketbindwell funny last time i've seen it had a bunch of workarounds, maybe it wasn't this11:21
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basculeWeeTee: if you try to play something with xmms or rhythm box, does it say no sound or what evre, or does it think it is playing11:21
xukunist normal that I dont have a loop device in worthy11:22
xukun?11:22
basculemodprobe loop11:22
socketbindwell at the first time when I tried to make work my card that uses the same driver as you, i gone mad playing with muting everything, and I found that muting those two will make the sound work11:22
socketbindbut you haven't got em11:22
basculemental ...11:22
basculeacpi is my next culprit11:22
basculeapic rather11:23
socketbindapic support on my mobo is rather buggy for me too11:23
WeeTeebascule: Just a sec, I'll try to find something to play in rhythmbox.. So far I've tried to play the sounds in the Gnome Sounds preference dialog :)11:23
basculewhy did thel let that happen ... :(11:23
xukunsudo mount -o loop debian.img /mnt/11:23
xukunmount: could not find any device /dev/loop#11:23
basculemodprobe loop11:23
xukunany idea's?11:23
basculemodprobe loop11:23
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schasiho11:23
bascule:))11:24
socketbindsudo -s H / cd /dev / MAKEDEV loop / modprobe loop ?11:24
basculemodprobe loop11:24
bob2er, no11:24
bob2socketbind: not on Ubuntu11:24
basculeputs the loop module in the kernel11:24
socketbindmaybe the module isn't making the correct device files11:24
bob2udev makes the device node whe nyou load it11:24
socketbindok bob2, i was a lapdog of redhat before :D11:24
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xukunbascule, thanks a lots that works11:24
socketbindused to the feeling that nothing works :D11:24
basculenp11:25
xukunbascule, where can I add loop so its always loaded?11:25
schasiWhy is array 4 in the topic if there exists an array 5 cd?11:25
bascule/etc/modules11:25
WeeTeebascule: Rhythmbox says "Could not open resource for writing"11:25
socketbindew11:25
basculeor some hotplufg thing I forget, on ubuntuguide.org I think11:26
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basculeWeeTee: hmmmmmmmmmm11:26
basculegroan11:26
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basculewhine11:26
basculemutter11:26
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WeeTeeHm. Topic flood :)11:26
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schasiGood11:27
YankDownUnderbob2: No adverts for SLUG? Dang...11:27
WeeTeeMaybe I should just try to randomly mute different combinations and see if some of them works :)11:27
schasiI just "gave back to the community" ;-)11:27
=== bascule throws a party
socketbindmaybe wrong privileges?11:27
socketbindor it is used my another app11:27
socketbindlsof | grep dsp ?11:27
socketbindsomething is sitting on it maybe11:27
basculegood point that11:27
membreyahmmm bascule11:27
membreyajust got some weird info11:28
membreyafrom hdparm :|11:28
WeeTeesocketbind: That returned nothing11:28
basculemembreya: what have I done too it .. :)11:28
membreyalol nothing11:28
basculeWeeTee: depmod -ae11:28
socketbindWeeTee: i did the same thing, though i have a SiS7012 (sadly)11:28
WeeTeesocketbind: Priviledges should be ok, I'm in group audio11:28
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membreyabut if I do a hdparm /d /dev/hda I get ...11:28
membreya/dev/hda:11:28
membreya using_dma    =  0 (off)11:28
WeeTeeFATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/modules.dep.temp for writing: Permission denied11:29
basculehdparm -d1 /dev/hda11:29
basculeWeeTee: as root/sudo11:29
membreyaif I do a hdparm -i /dev/hda I get11:29
membreya Model=PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108, FwRev=1.18, SerialNo=11:29
membreya Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic }11:29
membreya RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=011:29
membreya BuffType=13395, BuffSize=64kB, MaxMultSect=011:29
membreya (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=011:29
membreya IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}11:29
membreya PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio411:29
basculeahhhhhh11:29
membreya DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma211:29
membreya UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma411:29
membreyasignifying that it's using udma4 :|11:29
membreyasoz :P11:29
WeeTeebascule: No output11:29
basculesignifying the BIOS has it as UDMA4 I tink ...11:29
socketbindholy ***11:29
socketbindehm11:30
membreyaand hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives Operation Not Permitted11:30
socketbindWeeTee: you shoudln't get any output :D11:30
WeeTee:)11:30
basculeI'm clutching WeeTee11:30
socketbinddid polypaudio made it to replace sound server in gnome?11:30
=== bascule wonders where alsaconf went ...
basculeyup in hoary11:30
socketbindhmm nice11:31
socketbindesd in warty for me is quite laggy11:31
basculenicer thatn that other thing .. :)11:31
socketbind:D11:31
basculeesd sucks totally11:31
socketbindshould i switch to polypaudio?11:31
basculeDVDs are unwatchable11:31
membreyahdparm -t shows the speed at 3.48mb/s11:31
WeeTeeI wonder if polypaudio has some configuration, and theres something wrong there..11:31
basculeyes11:31
socketbindbecause it's getting on my nerves too :D11:31
socketbindwell, i love to screw up my distro so i have nothing to lose :D11:32
basculeWeeTee: thing is the cat /dev/usrandom thing should bypass all that software stuff11:32
WeeTeeAh, yeah..11:32
socketbindoh yes, bascule, it is completely backwards compatible with esound huh?11:32
basculesocketbind: shouldn't ber to hard, tracking downa nd eliminating all traces of esd start up will be fun11:32
WeeTeeJust a sec, I'll try to plug in some speakers, in case there's something wrong with the builtin ones11:32
basculesocketbind: seems to bew11:33
socketbindwhat modules should I fetch? all what's available?11:33
basculemight as well ... :))11:33
socketbindpolypaudio, polypaudio-alsa clients , x11 etc11:33
basculeyup all those11:34
basculegstreamer ...11:34
basculeif there are any11:34
WeeTeeNope. Nothing..11:34
socketbind488kb? huh it's rather little11:34
basculeor just goto hoary and be done with it ..11:34
bascule;P11:34
socketbindwell it says esound will be removed11:35
=== WeeTee doesn't like sound
basculegood start11:35
socketbindwell i think esound was the culprit of games bailing out in gnome11:35
socketbindwhat's the name of the daemon?11:35
socketbindunder what name I should see it?11:36
basculeWeeTee: try /etc/init.d/alsa restart11:36
basculepolypaudio11:36
basculethere will be a conf in /etc/11:36
socketbindehm11:36
WeeTee * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1221: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing'.  [ ok ] 11:36
WeeTeeAh, I din't sudo..11:37
socketbindWeeTee: as sudo/root! :11:37
socketbind:D11:37
WeeTeeDamn, keep forgetting that :)11:37
basculeooooh well threr si an interesting return11:37
WeeTeeOk.. Now it went fine11:37
basculeany sound?11:37
socketbindwell issuing polypaudio & as root gave me a little console11:37
WeeTeeSilent as ever11:37
basculeit should just demonize when run11:37
delltonyjust curious anyone here code with php-gtk by chance?11:38
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WeeTeePolypaudio is running..11:39
OrangeSliceI didn't know php even /had/ gtk extensions o_o11:39
AmaranthOrangeSlice: They don't get used much.11:39
basculeWeeTee: polypaudio didn't complain ...???11:39
AmaranthI wonder if they released their fully OOP PHP 5 version yet.11:39
basculelsof /dev/dsp11:39
WeeTeenope11:39
AmaranthIt was waiting on PHP 5 and GTK 2. Guess which one took too long. ;P11:39
WeeTeeNo output11:39
monoxide_no, but i had a quick look at perl and gtk once11:39
bob2OrangeSlice: it's oh-so-wrong11:40
delltonywell i have this gnome 2.10 program written that will allow you to gui add menus but i have one small problem with it i can't get the field to update on button click11:40
OrangeSliceI really don't see much... point11:40
basculeWeeTee: this is horrible.11:40
bob2OrangeSlice: some people only "know" php11:40
WeeTeebascule: Yep..11:40
basculedo you have a /proc/asound/11:40
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OrangeSlicerare enough to see php used for anything other than dynamic web content11:41
WeeTeebascule: Yes11:41
bob2some people do system scripting with it11:41
OrangeSlicebut you don't "see" that :p11:41
basculeand it has things like this in it11:42
basculecard0  cards  devices  ICH5  modules  oss  pcm  seq  timers  version11:42
WeeTeeYes11:42
WeeTeeSomething just told me: " Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating."11:42
bascule:-/ soooooo annnnnoyyyyyyyyiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnng11:42
basculepolyp I htink11:42
WeeTeeWell, maybe I'll just live without sound..11:43
basculei couldn't11:43
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WeeTeeMe neither, but I still have Windows :P11:44
socketbindhowdy, it doesn't really want to daemonize bascule, simply issuing polypaudio starts it ok, gives me a console, but if I issue polypaudio -D it isn't in the process list and doesn't works11:44
basculeyou have a /var/lib/alsa/asound.state11:44
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basculesocketbind: hmmmm11:44
OrangeSlicemmm sound11:45
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WeeTeebascule: Yes11:45
basculeWeeTee: looks like everything is OK except it isn't11:45
WeeTeebascule: Yeah.. That's what bugs me too :)11:45
=== bascule screams for alsaconf
socketbindehm any idea?11:46
WeeTeeWhy isn't alsaconf there anymore?11:46
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basculeask the devels11:46
WeeTee:)11:46
basculeit is buggy and uneccessary I believe was what was said11:46
=== bascule reflects on the irony
bascule:))11:47
erlendhas anybody experienced that nautilus just stops working in warty ? ps ax gives me that it is running alright, but nothing happens in gnome11:47
WeeTeeWell, I'll stop trying for the time being.. Thanks for the help, bascule and socketbind11:48
basculenp, but don't ask me again .. :)11:48
WeeTee:)11:48
basculeI really have seen toooooo any in here11:48
socketbindnp :D hope you will get it working :D11:48
WeeTeeI'll report back if I do :)11:48
socketbindi had a bunch of problems with my card too11:48
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socketbindnow it works 100% out of the box with all major distros which is kind of funny11:49
socketbindwell 98% in any other, microphone wasn't correctly set up only in ubuntu :D11:50
socketbindgeez dude, i love debian :D11:50
basculeyeah that driver had a comment in the kernel source saying "This driver is cursed" I think the move to ALSA sorted it out11:50
socketbindbascule: any thoughts about daemonizing this thing?11:51
socketbindi like it because it seems to be speedy11:51
basculepolypaudio --dump-conf11:51
socketbind1 means true? :D11:52
basculeyup11:52
socketbind:D11:52
basculeso if you run it it should work, but j=killall esd first11:52
socketbindgeez i do coding in c all day but i always forget :D11:52
socketbindapt did removed esd bascule11:52
basculeheh11:52
basculeah OK11:52
basculewonder what else went out11:53
socketbindi tend to use TRUE, FALSE macros11:53
basculeTRUE=1 FALSE=0 ?11:53
socketbindso i alway forget that anything bigger than 0 is true11:53
socketbindoh yeah11:53
basculedeclared like that11:53
socketbindyes11:54
socketbindgeez i daemonize=1 and it still doesn't daemonize11:54
socketbindit still doesn't works and it isn't in the process list11:54
basculelsof is blak I take it11:55
basculeblank11:55
socketbindwell there should be docs about properly setting it up11:55
socketbindblank?11:55
socketbindoh yes idle time11:56
basculehttp://rafb.net/paste/results/qmajlW39.html11:56
basculelook like that?11:56
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socketbindjust minor differences11:57
socketbindshould i merge it with mine?11:57
basculemaybe, see I run hoary and it just wrks, I dunno about warty using it11:57
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socketbindeh i've got 0.5111:57
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t31hi im hoary man, someone knows how to change when the windows minimize in groups? is the thing i hated the most in winXP12:01
socketbindgeez now i totally killed it12:02
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socketbindwhat is the command in apt-get to reinstall stuff?12:02
balorsocketbind: to reinstall or reconfigure?12:03
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socketbindinvalid operation both, balor12:04
balorsocketbind: to reconfigure "dpkg-reconfigure pkgname" to reinstall "apt-get remove pkgname" theen apt-get install again12:04
socketbindi messed up my config12:04
socketbindi love the feeling12:05
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balorsocketbind: You generally don't have to reinstall to fix a config problem...that's windows think.  What's your problem?12:05
basculepowercut, my fault ..12:05
socketbindbalor: totally messed up config file of polypaudio12:05
socketbindonly the 0.5 version of polypaudio is available for warty :(12:06
basculebuild it :)12:07
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_the_1_hi12:07
basculehey12:07
kroonAnyone else having problem with hoary kernel 4 + nvidia ?12:08
basculeyes12:08
basculeI gave up12:08
kroonok, yeah, I've reverted to 312:09
_the_1_guys, it's been a long time since I installed ubuntu (It worked till I wanted to upgrade to hoary), and I'm kind of stuck. I forgot the command for enabling the bytecode interpreter for my fonts? Anyone care to help me?12:09
balorsocketbind: sorry..I know nothing about polypaudio.  I use alsa directly12:09
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_the_1_anyone?12:10
bascule_the_1_: there is a new one, I just saw it 1.0.6629ubutu2112:10
basculekroon: ^12:10
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_the_1_a new what?12:10
socketbindwell it would be ugly as hell but should i compile the newest one and install on the top of the already installed 0.5?12:10
socketbindof course it was installed with apt12:10
socketbindand if i want to remove polypaudio it says it will remove ubuntu-desktop which i doesn't want12:10
socketbindjust to reinstall it because i like it, reconfiguring didn't made it better12:10
bascule_the_1_: sorry12:10
socketbindscrewed up config in /etc12:10
socketbindwith dmix?12:11
linuxboywhat would be the best kernel to install on my PIII?12:11
bascule68612:11
_the_1_please guys, just tell me what was that command..12:11
socketbindoh yes, should i switch to a 686 kernel image?12:11
basculesure12:12
kroonbascule, yeah that was the one I was using, I think it appeared yesterday12:12
socketbindapt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings12:12
linuxboybascule: cool. thought so12:12
basculekroon: OK12:12
_the_1_I wouldn't bother you with this, but google seems to be more of a mess from one day to another12:12
basculekroon: I'll put the new on in and have a go, bib12:12
kroonbascule, good luck12:13
basculeta12:13
socketbindgeez when i get this working will be the best day of my life12:13
_the_1_is anyone here that knows how to enable cleartype in ubuntu?12:14
socketbindcleartype is kinda m$ tech, i doesn't know the equivalent in linux12:14
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Neil3rgb hintinh12:14
socketbindit should be there12:14
Neil3hinting even12:14
Neil3its in the gnome font config12:15
Neil3desktop preferences, fonts12:15
_the_1_I know, but freetype hinting is not so good on my laptop, that's why I want to enable the bytecode interpreter12:15
Neil3then click 'subpixel smoothing'12:15
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Neil3looks great on this lcd imo12:15
Neil3if you click details you can tweak it a lot12:16
_the_1_what is the command to reconfigure the fonts?12:16
_the_1_a few months ago someone helpful here told me the command and I used it to enable the bytecode interpreter on my warthy12:17
_the_1_however, I forgot it and I just installed hoary12:17
_the_1_I might be wrong, but it was something like fontconfig-something12:17
_the_1_not sue12:17
_the_1_sure12:17
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_the_1_guys, if you don't know, just tell me so..12:19
Neil3i don't know ;)12:20
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_the_1_people used to be more helpful last time I was around...hope #ubuntu doesn't become #debian in the near future...:(12:21
socketbindMSN Serivce Error Temporary Unavailable12:21
socketbindLOL12:21
DelgulOpenoffice.org2 in hoary has no functional java at the moment? Is that correct?12:22
_the_1_anyway...there could be that #ubuntu will become #debian, since ubuntu IS debian!12:22
_the_1_hahaha12:22
_the_1_;)12:22
DelgulEvil 1 :-)12:22
HcE_the_1_: wild guess, but tried ~ > sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig12:22
_the_1_HcE: YOU ARE THE MAN12:23
=== HcE bows
_the_1_that was it!12:23
HcE_the_1_: increase your history in your shell ;)12:23
HcEI have it to 3M lines12:23
HcEs/it/set it/12:23
_the_1_my brain is reconfiguring command priority in available memory...12:23
HcEaha12:24
HcE_the_1_: ctrl+r and type fontconfig;)12:24
_the_1_:D12:24
_the_1_guys, what's with the bitmmaped fonts? do you use them?12:25
HcEI use the thing for LCD12:26
_the_1_I could disable them...since I guess they don't scale good12:26
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_the_1_does anyone know how kubuntu is progressing?12:29
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_the_1_it might draw more people to ubuntu, since not everyone is fond of gnome..12:30
_the_1_however it is sad that developer resources would go on that and not on ubuntu12:30
_the_1_always a downside...12:31
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Amaranth_the_1_: Open Source software doesn't have people that you can just assign to a task and give them a deadline. If people want to work on KDE and not GNOME and related things they wouldn't work on Ubuntu at all if KUbuntu didn't exist.12:32
AmaranthAt least this way the base stuff from Ubuntu gets more testers.12:33
AmaranthWow, that sounded harsh...12:33
_the_1_Amaranth: they could work on other stuff, not kde in particular. On different apps, ironing out bugs, and then the ubuntu devs would not have to do that themselves, they could focus on the DE and integration, etc12:35
Amaranth_the_1_: You don't understand. With Open Source people don't get paid so they work on what they want to work on. Like I said since KUbuntu is Ubuntu based (obviously) at least some of the low level stuff gets more testers.12:36
Riddell_the_1_: it's progressing.  there are minimal canonical developer resources applied to it12:36
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RiddellAmaranth: people are paid to work on Ubuntu12:36
AmaranthI know.12:37
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shockanyone here use enlightenment ?12:37
shockunder powerpc?12:37
shock:P12:37
AmaranthBut KUbuntu will allow people who want KDE to use Ubuntu which will get more testers.12:37
_the_1_Amaranth: You mean to tell me that the ubuntu devs are not paid devs? Where does Shuttleworth's money go then?12:37
Amaranth_the_1_: I doubt all the people working on either one of the two are paid by Canonical.12:38
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_the_1_Amaranth: so kubuntu is a rogue project and is not coordinated in any way by canonical?12:39
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basculekroon:12:39
basculeno luck12:39
Amaranth_the_1_: See what Riddell said.12:39
tjsI need some help with a problem, and I have very little info to go on12:39
basculething is now, I have 2.6.10-3, but I can only see kernel sources for 2.6.9 and 2.6.1112:40
_the_1_Amaranth: ok..I missed that message12:40
basculecause I was gonna try a manual buil of nvidia12:40
AmaranthI don't know what "rogue project" is supposed to mean though.12:40
tjsI baught a new dell inspiron 9200 about a week ago, I installed ubuntu, upgraded to hoary, it ran well for about two days, now it just hangs totally after about a minute12:41
tjsit lasts a bit longer in failsafe mode12:41
_the_1_rogue would mean if a bunch of devs who are not affiliated with ubuntu would want to take the ubuntu base and add kde on top12:41
basculea fork12:41
tjsenough time to investigate logs etc.. there is nothing indicitive of the problem in syslog or messages12:41
_the_1_bascule: thanks12:41
basculenp12:42
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tjsits not X, or the wireless card (which I thought at first)12:42
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_the_1_gotta go, I have to restart X and check the new fonts! ;)12:42
basculegood luck12:43
tjsI updated the kernel from 2.6.8-1 to 2.6.11-1, still halgs12:43
_the_1_see you guys and thanks for your help12:43
tjser.. hangs12:43
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Amaranthtjs: The entire system hangs?12:43
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tjstotally12:43
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tjscant even alt-sysreq b12:43
AmaranthTry booting the kernel with noinotify12:44
tjshow do I do that?12:44
Amaranthedit your grub config file or do it from the grub boot menu12:44
regebroHi all! Loads of my gnome apps say:  WARNING **: Failed to lock:  No locks available four times when starting upp, with a half a second delay between each.12:45
regebroAnybody know what that means? I have the feeling it's causing some delay when starting the apps.12:45
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tjsokay booting without inotify12:46
tjsis the 686 kernel appropriate for a pentium M (whatever that is)12:47
jdubyes12:47
Amaranth686 is good for p2 and up12:47
tjscool12:47
regebrowhat does "rc-update add nfs default" mean?12:48
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sys2you people dont have a cvsup package? :/12:49
tjser.. it seems to be holding up with noinotify12:50
tjsI'll give it a minute12:50
karimhi12:50
karimI plan to upgrade debian to ubuntu12:50
regebrosys2: No.12:50
karimI am doing what is in the wiki, however there is broken deps in hoary12:50
regebrodepending on what you mean with "you peopl". I don't. ;)12:50
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sys2well the distro12:51
tjsAmaranth: doh, it just hung again12:51
Amaranthtjs: No clue then, that was just a guess.12:51
tjsokay, thanks12:52
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VaijiraHi12:52
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Vaijirai have and ibook and i've upgraded to hoary but a lot of icons has dissapeared, any idea?12:52
jdubVaijira: known bug on ppc atm12:53
seb128rm -f /usr/share/icons/*/icon-theme.cache12:53
sjoerdVaijira: sudo find /usr/share/icons -type d -exec touch {} \;12:53
regebrosys2: Hm. Apparently not. It's not in the package manager anyway.12:53
sjoerdseb128: bah, that's ugly :)12:53
basculelinux-tree-2.6.11 <-- do I need that or just the linux source, I'm not rebuilding12:54
seb128sjoerd: that works (tm) :)12:54
sys2sigh12:54
basculelinux-headers-2.6.11-1-686 <-- or them12:54
sjoerdseb128: true12:54
sys2first its a broken stupid dhcp client .. then i cant install my local package but have to force install from my old distro over to this one ... then the packages i need dont exist12:54
Vaijirathx12:57
karimis there a way to downgrade a package without having to uninstall everything that depends of it ?12:57
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karimI just want to replace a package12:58
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shockhello - i have a problem here12:59
regebroI hate when I seem to be the only one in the world to have a specific computer problem. :-(12:59
shockanyone using enlightenment on powerpc?12:59
shockcause it crashes my X12:59
willis it easy to change my /home dir to hdh1 / (its own partition)12:59
shockregebro - I know the feeling12:59
shockyes @ will12:59
shockfairly easy12:59
shocker01:00
shockno wait01:00
shockWHAT do you want to do?01:00
shockhave / be your home O_o01:00
willshock is it simply to copy everything to the drive hdh (reiserFS) then specify it in fstab as home?01:00
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shockbasically - but it cant be / and /home at the same time01:01
willmy home now is /home and i want to move it to hdh101:01
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willno sorry i did not mean to write that! (hdh1 / )01:02
willwell what would the correct 'options' be for the new line in fstab?01:02
regebroAh, then you move it where you want it, and mount that new place as /home.01:02
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shock<will> well what would the correct 'options' be for the new line in fstab? mom01:03
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willregebro: are there any special options i should use01:03
shock.../dev/hda6       /home           ext3    defaults        0       201:03
shockwell not hda6 ofc01:04
shock;)01:04
will/dev/hdh1/homereiserfs0001:04
shocku forgot the "defaults"01:04
will/dev/hdh1/homereiserfsdefaults0001:04
willif there is already data there it wont get destroyed i hope? (all my music!)01:05
ICUare there any limitations on max connections per minute/10 minutes to rsync://archive.ubuntu.com?01:05
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shock<will> should be ok01:06
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shockI'll try enlightenment again01:06
shockbrb01:06
willshock: thanks for all the helP! will be back soon01:07
schasiany germans here?01:07
xxhello ? i am new in IRC :-) but i need some info for Ubuntu?01:07
basculeapt-get install gkrellm01:07
basculewrong window01:07
bascule:)01:08
johnnybezakxx hi01:08
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xxi need help about ... install process in east europe languales?01:09
eazel7hi, I'm tring to compile koffice cvs, but I cannot because I get a message telling me that KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer01:10
eazel7I have autoconf 2.59 installed, how can I fix that?01:10
sapi want to mount my usb external hard disk as a normal user (w/o using sudo). i have defaults,user as the options in /etc/fstab, but mount /mnt/usb gives 'mount: must be superuser to use mount'.01:10
sapi can mount samba shares without using sudo, so i have perms to use mount.01:11
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shockshite!01:12
shockenlightenment wont work :(01:12
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shock*sniff*01:12
basculeare you in shock shock?01:12
schasi;-)01:12
willhi when i sudo cp /home/will/ /mnt/temp i get01:12
shockwhy?01:13
willcp: omitting directory `/home/will/'01:13
schasiwoa i own #ubuntu.de01:13
shockO_o01:13
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Amaranthwill: sudo cp -R /home/will /mnt/temp01:13
bagan_jermalwhat's sudo?01:13
membreyaooo bascule new version of the kernel released :D01:13
willAmaranth: oops of course!01:13
basculeomnipotence enaler01:13
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shocksuperuser do -- execute something with root privileges01:13
membreya2.6.10-5 :P01:13
basculemembreya: have you been to see nVidia about it yet?01:14
membreyabascule: I've posted on the forum01:14
membreyaI can see info01:14
bascule#nvidia01:14
bagan_jermalshock: thanks01:14
membreyaand it basically says I need to install amd module01:14
membreyabut that's for nforce201:14
willshock: do i have to remove any references to /home being on my first drive before i mount it on hdh1 ?01:14
membreyaooo good thinking 99!01:14
membreyaoh bascule..do I need to download the source to compile a new kernel or just the tree?01:16
basculeno idea, I asked that 10 minutes ago .. :))01:17
basculeOK 21 minutes ago01:17
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membreyabascule: removing the source..will find out :P01:19
membreyanope01:20
membreyaremoving the source also wants to remove the tree :)01:20
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rvdbHi there, any using an ibook and succesfully using vga out???01:20
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Vaijirarvdb, mmm with ubuntu or in general?01:21
rvdbi've installed ubuntu hoary on an ibook dual usb (ati rage 128 m3) but i understand it is a general problem...01:22
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basculemembreya: that means kernel sources need abput 90MB in total ...01:22
Vaijirai have an m3 or an m7 i dont remember well and it worked with a patch a m3mirror01:22
membreyajoy huh bascule ? :P01:22
basculeman that is sooooo in efficient01:23
Vaijirarvdb, do you know the programa m3mirror ?01:23
bascules/ /01:23
willit worked!01:23
membreyahmmm if I go back to /usr/src/linux....do i just need to do another make menuconfig? all my old details should still be there right ?01:23
membreyahmmm I so need to establish a local caching proxy :|01:23
membreyabut another day!01:23
rvdbvaijjira, yes i downloaded the m3mirror binary and it does switch off my internal lcd, but still nothing on the external vga (only when starting up)01:24
membreyahrm...do I need to keep headers on my system for any particular reason ?01:24
Vaijirarvdb, i applied a patch last time i need vga support in my ibook, currently with ubuntu i don't know if it works or no01:25
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xxhello, has anyone started cyrillic installation?01:25
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photoguy41does anyone know of a good ebook irc room??01:26
rvdbvaijira, i've seen patches for 2.4 but not for 2.601:26
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Vaijirarvdb, i'had got the hope that it would run well with 2.6 kernels :)01:27
Vaijirarvdb, you broke my hopes D:01:27
membreyaoooo vIkSiT you look like a cluey guy :D01:27
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AcidWolfwhats the best app under Ubuntu to play dvd's with01:28
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rvdbvaijira: hmmm i never dared to apply a 2.4 patch to a 2.6 kernel, in fact i have only once before build a kernel myself and i'm not too fond of the experience01:28
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shockoh god! if anyone has a clue as to why enlightenment (16.6-3ubuntu1) crashes my x - please query me :( - getting desperate01:30
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regebroOK; so I finally figured it out: Gnome requires exclusive file locking over NFS. Now how the heck to I enable it. Anybody know?01:31
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Andy_is Wine part of "warty"?01:34
pybe-laptopAndy_: i expect its in the universe01:35
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Andy_pybe_laptop: err...ok heres the deal..i wanna install a game under wine (4 discs)..as i have never used winex can you tell me what command i would use?01:37
error_29Using metacity in gnome, warty getting this with x-chat: "Unable to set transparent background!You may be using a non-compliant window manager that is not currently supported."  Any ideas?01:39
error_29I'm sure transparency worked before01:39
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photoguy41has anyone else had trouble installing mplayer from the apt-get?01:43
photoguy41it says package brokem01:43
photoguy41n01:43
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Underlordi need to install gstreamer0.8-mad, but it has dependencies on things which are on the system, but since the version names contain ubuntu# on the end (# being whatever number) apt seems to think its not the right version and refuses, if i force it everything works great but aptget gets pissed off and wont install any other packages without automaticaly removing gstreamer0.8-mad! how do i fix?01:44
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kirkthey all. im trying to get kde for hoary array 501:45
kirkti did basic 'server install', and then ran apt-get for the night01:45
kirktit downloaded all the packages, and got stuck on some timeout01:45
kirkti can't tell if it did the job, but now everything is screwed01:46
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kirktapt-get install kde puts out some error lines (kde depends on: ... but package wont be installed)01:46
kirktalso apt-get clean doesnt seem  to remove anything01:46
kirktaptitude seemed to ignore this, but didnt install either01:47
kirktcan anyone tell me how to reverse the damage?01:47
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Riddellkirkt: what's the error?01:47
da_bon_bonhi all01:47
da_bon_bonfile-roller opens .rar files ?01:47
kirkt"the following packages have unmet dependencies"01:48
da_bon_bonkirkt: which package ?01:48
GoshawkUnderlord, are you using warty or hoary?01:48
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kirkt"kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed" etc etc01:48
kirkta list of about 10 of those01:48
kirktbut i can clearly recall aptget downloaded every and each of those01:48
da_bon_bonkirkt: well, use synaptic01:49
kirkti'm doing this thru text01:49
kirkti did a base server-install so i wouldn't need to waste time / HDD installing gnome01:49
Riddellkirkt: apt-get install kde-core?