[12:00] <error_29> must be a file I could edit somewhere for that
[12:00] <shock> hoi
[12:00] <error_29> iceWM has some really nice themes
[12:01] <shock> is there a dock for wmaker apps in ubuntu-gnome ?
[12:01] <robtaylor> geppy: i think it tries to be intelligent :/
[12:01] <ajay> New to Ubuntu.  so i have a couple of questions.  is there anyway to install software like goobox on warty on powerpc?
[12:01] <robtaylor> geppy: probably alsa if its there
[12:01] <geppy> robtaylor:  =/
[12:01] <pixelmonkey> does anyone notice that in Hoary's evolution, quoting of e-mails is broken?
[12:01] <geppy> robtaylor:  I'm not getting any sound.
[12:01] <robtaylor> geppy: have you got esd or polypaudio running?
[12:01] <dstevens> Does anyone know of a port of http://www.asterisk.org/ Asterisk PBX i know there is a debian iso, but not ubuntu as far as i see.
[12:01] <jinty> hey robtaylor
[12:02] <geppy> robtaylor:  I've tried with/without ESD, with/without JACK (hah, yeah right), and I've got OSS and ALSA working, as well as PortAudio.
[12:02] <geppy> robtaylor:  I've tried both with and without.
[12:02] <robtaylor> on that note does anyone else keep getting messages about /dev/dsp in use with the new polypaudio stuff ?
[12:02] <robtaylor> jinty: hey!!!
[12:02] <robtaylor> geppy: warty right?
[12:02] <geppy> robtaylor:  Right.
[12:02] <jinty> Didn't expect you around these parts
[12:03] <robtaylor> jinty: just hanging out ;) hoary's been giveing me jyp recently :(
[12:04] <WeirdAl> Can I have an answer that'll actualy work please? :-\
[12:04] <geppy> robtaylor:  Oh, it seems to only work with ESD, and I just realized that my "testing" last night was when I was way too tired to think clearly.  You have to kill all instances of firefox for it to see that ESD is running.
[12:04] <robtaylor> geppy: ahha
[12:05] <neighborlee> anyone else having trouble with automounting in hoary ?
[12:05] <robtaylor> i'm starting to worry about the polypaudio plan :/
[12:05] <geppy> On that note...  ESD sucks.  Does the gstreamer swf decoder work well, and, if so, does it work with firefox?
[12:05] <geppy> robtaylor:  There's nothing better, at the moment.
[12:05] <robtaylor> geppy: libswf sucks, i'm afraid
[12:06] <WeirdAl> Someone tell me how to make a launcher that stays around after I press OK?
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  JACK is pretty badass.  As soon as ESD is implemented as a client, as well as OSS and ALSA, it should be good for everyday use.
[12:06] <robtaylor> geppy: well i had my system set up with dmix and that was working much better than i expected..
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  Oh.  Other than the flashplayer-nonfree, are there any good players?
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  True, but then you can't use OSS apps.
[12:06] <robtaylor> geppy: yep. i have a whole plan for pushing for jack everywhere after hoary =)
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  And there's no way to do a wrapper.
[12:06] <robtaylor> with gst-jackasyn
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  Why not stary not? =D
[12:07] <geppy> haha
[12:07] <geppy> Awesome.
[12:07] <geppy> robtaylor:  I'm working on esd-jack. =D
[12:07] <robtaylor> and rtp transports for remote desktops
[12:07] <geppy> =D
[12:07] <robtaylor> geppy: see above =)
[12:07] <S1nn3r> hi all
[12:07] <geppy> =)
[12:07] <robtaylor> i mean it. i'm just putting a badass gstreamer rtp plugin into gst-plugins as we speak
[12:07] <geppy> Need beta testers? =)
[12:08] <geppy> hahaha
[12:08] <robtaylor> heh
[12:08] <geppy> autoconf is teh sux0r
[12:08] <robtaylor> well it rocks and sucks simuntanously i find
[12:08] <geppy> hahaha
[12:08] <geppy> Yeah.
[12:08] <robtaylor> kinda like a granny
[12:08] <geppy> hahahaha
[12:08] <robtaylor> (with mints! with mints! you dirty minded... ;) ;) )
[12:09] <geppy> hahahahahahahahahahaha =)
[12:09] <S1nn3r> anyone know why alsa ant detecting my sound card on startup (am in the process of first run after install .. updateing now)
[12:09] <robtaylor> right, back to autofoo..
[12:09] <dstevens> mum jokes i can handle but nan jokes are just plain wrong!
[12:10] <S1nn3r> is alsa support for all the supported soundcards set up in ubuntu or ?
[12:11] <robtaylor> dstevens: it was safer than the other analogy that popped in my head...
[12:11] <nixman> anyone can tell me any reason why the usb mouse would just not light up when i plug in ? i know the mouse works.
[12:11] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, what sound card do you have ?
[12:11] <det> how does the ubuntu package repository get built? mirror of Debian and then individual packages are modified?
[12:13] <dstevens> robtaylor: i bet it was.
[12:13] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: VIA 82xx
[12:13] <nico2012> ciao people =)
[12:13] <robtaylor> det: totally autobuilt from source forked off controlled imports of debian unstable, i believe
[12:13] <akurashy> hello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash
[12:13] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: thats the driver ive needed for the onboard sound in the past
[12:13] <nixman> which package i have to install to make sure usb mouse works ?
[12:13] <robtaylor> nixman: should Just Work
[12:13] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, the oss drivers are probably loaded what does lsmod | grep via output
[12:13] <geppy> nixman:  If it doesn't light up, then it's broken.
[12:14] <geppy> nixman:  It doesn't matter if it's detected; it should light up if it's working.
[12:14] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, if the oss drivers are loaded then alsa will not work
[12:14] <nixman> geppy, it lights up until ubntu boots. and it works fine in that other os.
[12:14] <det> robodex, do apt-get.org sources in general work with Ubuntu?
[12:14] <geppy> nixman:  Do you have the USB libraries?  Idon'
[12:14] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: its still cleaning up after the first run and update.. will get back to you when its done
[12:14] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, okie :)
[12:14] <geppy> nixman:  I don't think that you actually have to download those anymore, though.
[12:15] <error_29> If I wan't to try hoary, what's the best approach, just update stuff from the server, or burn a cd and reinstall everthing?
[12:15] <apokryphos> error_29: The former, definitely.
[12:15] <nixman> geppy, i did not had the usb mouse at install time. not sure if they got installed or what they are
[12:15] <LinuxJones> error_29, you can update using apt-get or synaptic
[12:15] <S1nn3r> hmm why isnt ALSA the default .. OSS is pretty much dead
[12:15] <geppy> nixman:  No idea.
[12:15] <S1nn3r> apart from legacy support that is
[12:16] <error_29> thanks.  I'm gonna take the plunge, since I finally had the sense to make a seperate home partition
[12:16] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, I don't know why the alsa drivers aren't working out of the box, oss probably ahs taken control for some odd reason
[12:16] <nixman> geppy, i am suspecting some pkges are missing. i dont see any thing logged in var/log/messages when i plug unplug
[12:17] <robodex> det: pardon?
[12:17] <robodex> did you mean robtaylor? ;)
[12:18] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: arg, hm.. so how do i go about killing OSS in ubuntu ?
[12:19] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, you will have to unload the modules
[12:19] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, then add the alsa modules using modprobe
[12:19] <geppy> nixman:  No idea.
[12:19] <geppy> nixman: Sorry.
[12:20] <det> robodex, yes :(
[12:20] <robodex> hehe np ;)
[12:20] <nixman> anyone else can suggest must have pkgs for a usb mouse ?
[12:21] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: probibly have to go looking for the alsa conf to right ?
[12:21] <LinuxJones> nixman, your usb mouse isn't working ?
[12:21] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, alsaconf isn't installed in Ubuntu by defaule :(
[12:21] <nixman> LinuxJones, yes ... unfortunately. what are the must have pkgs ?
[12:21] <LinuxJones> err default
[12:22] <LinuxJones> nixman, usbhid usbcore
[12:22] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: oh great, so much for the install and go idea then, heh
[12:22] <LinuxJones> nixman, but they whould be loaded automatically
[12:22] <LinuxJones> nixman, unplug your mouse then plug it back in again
[12:23] <zenrox> nixman,  you  have to reconfigure your xsever
[12:23] <TetrisMaster> will the free demo of Partition Magic partition a drive sucessfully?
[12:24] <nixman> LinuxJones, i did that multiple times. with no logs in /var/log/messages
[12:24] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, 1 set backward to take 2 steps forward :)
[12:24] <nixman> zenrox, it does not light up even ?
[12:24] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: so first get rid of OSS modules,make sure the alsa ones are loading then create the alsa conf file ?
[12:24] <zenrox> my usb mouse works just fine and its wireless
[12:24] <zenrox> and my keyboard too
[12:25] <nixman> TetrisMaster, there is a free alternative partimage if i remember correctly and it comes with knoppix.
[12:25] <zenrox> qtparted
[12:25] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, yeah basically
[12:25] <TetrisMaster> nixman knpppix wont run correctly on my computer :(
[12:25] <shock> damnit... i want a middlemousebuton menu for applications in gnome!
[12:26] <dataw0lf> parted.
[12:26] <nixman> TetrisMaster, what you tried and what was wrong ?
[12:26] <zenrox> shock, i want to get my mouse to scroll sidewas
[12:26] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: think im gonna see if i can get Nvidia acell up and running first.. then go back to alsa heh
[12:26] <shock> :D
[12:27] <zenrox> lol
[12:27] <carajean> is it a good idea to upgrade to hoary?
[12:27] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, that's pretty easy to do did you see the howto on the ubuntu site ?
[12:28] <LinuxJones> carajean, how new are you to Linux ?
[12:28] <TetrisMaster> wont recognise monitor correctly, and there are other errors that i dont know of
[12:28] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: yep.. which is precisely why im doing that first .. always do the easy stuff first
[12:29] <carajean> very new well i been usin it since about xmas
[12:29] <nixman> TetrisMaster, try some of the options explained in F{2,3,4} specially the vga options
[12:29] <TetrisMaster> i cant even log into root
[12:30] <LinuxJones> carajean, well it is working ok for me but it is a development branch and can have some issues for people from time to time
[12:30] <nixman> LinuxJones, usbhid and usbcore are not loaded in etc/modules. which order should they get loaded
[12:30] <LinuxJones> nixman, lsmod | grep usb        are they listed ?
[12:30] <WeirdAl> Anyone know an FTP command that'll let me GET everything in a directory?
[12:31] <WeirdAl> While I'm here
[12:31] <ompaul> WeirdAl, mget *
[12:31] <WeirdAl> ty
[12:31] <nixman> LinuxJones, i only have usbcore loaded
[12:31] <LinuxJones> nixman, modprobe usbhid
[12:32] <LinuxJones> nixman, that should be loaded by default
[12:32] <WeirdAl> know a way of stopping it asking me for y/n for each file?
[12:32] <neighborlee> im' running the ut2k4 installer via : sh linux-installer.sh..its working but i'm not getting the nice 'loki' gui installer..instead I get what looks like ncurses ( ugly)...why is it doing this ? ;-))???
[12:32] <stuNNed> neighborlee: that is the new installer ;)
[12:32] <neighborlee> haha yeah right ..funnny <<<
[12:33] <LinuxJones> WeirdAl, during an upgrade ?
[12:33] <LinuxJones> WeirdAl, sorry
[12:33] <nixman> LinuxJones, i restarted hotplug after loading the module still no life !
[12:33] <WeirdAl> No, just normal FTP There are 86 files in here and it's asking for confirmation on
[12:33] <WeirdAl> all of them.
[12:34] <stuNNed> ompaul: hah!
[12:34] <WeirdAl> I want to go to bed :-p
[12:34] <TetrisMaster> how can i ghange vga parametes?
[12:34] <LinuxJones> nixman, unplug then plug back in your usb mouse then tail /var/log/messages
[12:34] <stuNNed> TetrisMaster: what parameters?
[12:34] <LinuxJones> nixman, is there any power to your mouse ?
[12:35] <LinuxJones> nixman, is it an optical ?
[12:35] <nixman> LinuxJones, no light at all .. and still no logs
[12:35] <Nermal> WeirdAl, type prompt
[12:35] <nixman> LinuxJones, yes
[12:35] <farruinn> any warty users have their mouse turn black randomly?
[12:35] <LinuxJones> nixman, argh....it's not like shut off in bios by accident or somthing :D
[12:35] <ompaul> WeirdAl, okay stop the transfer and type prompt - this toggles that effect
[12:35] <ompaul> ohh
[12:35] <WeirdAl> thanks guys :-)
[12:36] <WeirdAl> It's a learning experience in here!
[12:36] <nixman> LinuxJones, cant be works fine under xp on the same box (a laptop)
[12:36] <WeirdAl> I'm going to bed
[12:36] <LinuxJones> nixman, usb suppor tis usually awesome in linux wth is going on
[12:36] <WeirdAl> Thanks all for any help I may or may not have received today.
[12:37] <nixman> LinuxJones, no idea as well !
[12:38] <LinuxJones> nixman, I wish I had an answer for you
[12:38] <nixman> LinuxJones, i just tried all the 3 usb ports. has to do with software
[12:38] <LinuxJones> nixman, what kind of motherboard do you have ?
[12:38] <ompaul> I doubt if it is of use in the real world
[12:38] <nixman> LinuxJones, no idea its a brand new laptop. compaz presario r3440
[12:39] <LinuxJones> nixman, god who knows what hardware they have in that :(
[12:39] <nixman> LinuxJones, usb controller from nvidia
[12:39] <LinuxJones> nixman, you have one of those nforce thingy's ?
[12:40] <LinuxJones> nixman, lspci might off a clue
[12:40] <nixman> LinuxJones, yup nforce3 2 are 1.1 and one looks like 2.0
[12:40] <nixman> LinuxJones, i just did that ...
[12:40] <LinuxJones> nixman, that's a start let me search google
[12:41] <Nermal> :)
[12:42] <photoguy41> does anyone know of a good place to get login screens and backgrounds?
[12:42] <ompaul> photoguy41, apart from generating them yourself you can get "gnome" themes
[12:43] <photoguy41> where?
[12:43] <Nermal> art.gnome.org
[12:43] <tritium> and http://www.gnome-look.org/
[12:43] <photoguy41> i would love to set up my own themes, but that seems hard
[12:44] <ompaul> photoguy41, well do what you can one step at a time - only make small adjustments
[12:44] <photoguy41> how would you make your own icons?
 i would love to set up my own themes, but that seems hard -- not hard... just time consuming
[12:44] <ompaul> Nermal, that was several orders of magnatitude faster than I could have typed it
[12:45] <photoguy41> yeah, thats what i ment
[12:45] <Nermal> ompaul, and I've been drinking :)
 gimp
[12:45] <ompaul> Nermal, coffee?
[12:45] <Nermal> beer :)
[12:45] <ompaul> ahh
[12:45] <Nermal> or inkscape
[12:45] <Nermal> for vector stuff
[12:46] <ompaul> Nermal, would you use vector stuff for icons?
[12:46] <ompaul> Nermal, or more to the point
[12:46] <photoguy41> what size would i make them?
[12:46] <Nermal> for svg you would
[12:46] <Nermal> ompaul, jakub has some thoughts on inkscape in his blog
[12:46] <ompaul> Nermal, actually I now see the logic, not a bad idea
[12:47] <ompaul> at al
[12:47] <ompaul> all even
[12:47] <ompaul> photoguy41, well you would make them the size that suits your desktop
[12:47] <Nermal> ompaul, :)
[12:47] <Nermal> icons. uh... make them big and shrink them down
[12:47] <photoguy41> yeah
[12:47] <Nermal> 64x64, 32x32, 24x24
[12:47] <Nermal> etc
[12:48] <ompaul> photoguy41, what Nermal actaully said
[12:48] <photoguy41> is there a program i would use for GDM's?
[12:48] <Nermal> gimp
[12:48] <aardvark> has anyone here tried to upgrade to hoary via apt/synaptic
[12:48] <Nermal> there is probably an xcf template floating around
[12:48] <Nermal> aardvark, aye
[12:48] <Nermal> via apt
[12:49] <LinuxJones> aardvark, yeah
[12:49] <photoguy41> aardvark?
[12:49] <dilou> hello evrybody
[12:49] <aardvark> actually I need to get a list of the apt entries to do
[12:49] <stuNNed> ompaul: lol :)
[12:49] <nixman> LinuxJones, i'll catch up with you later if you find anything ... this is puzzling me. wife cannot wait longer :-)
[12:49] <stuNNed> hi dilou
[12:50] <LinuxJones> nixman, :)
[12:50] <dilou> hi stuNNed
[12:50] <dilou> i want some help
[12:50] <LinuxJones> welcome dilou
[12:50] <dilou> i begin with linux
[12:50] <dilou> i m not very good
[12:50] <dilou> and i want to install
[12:50] <dilou> the jre
[12:50] <dilou> with mozilla firefox
[12:50] <dilou> and i don't know how to do
[12:50] <aardvark> where can I get a list of entries for apt in order to upgrade to hoary ?
[12:50] <dilou> ... please help me
[12:50] <ompaul> Nermal, and just for fun my wife actually is running ubuntu on her first computer - I must change over one of these days
[12:51] <dilou> thx LinuxJones...
[12:51] <ompaul> stuNNed, what has you laughing so much?
[12:51] <Quest-Master> dilou: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[12:51] <dilou> ok thx Quest-Master
[12:51] <stuNNed> ompaul: apt-getting makes me happy?
[12:51] <ompaul> stuNNed, yeah :)
[12:52] <Nermal> dilou, ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:52] <LinuxJones> dilou, I don't know if this might help also >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=jre
[12:52] <Nermal> worked for me :)
[12:52] <aardvark> hoary apt entries anyone ?
[12:52] <dilou> thk u very much LinuxJones and Nermal
[12:52] <poofyhair> hello
[12:52] <Nermal> aardvark, um.. just switch warty for hoary
[12:52] <Nermal> lo poofyhair :)
[12:53] <kroon> Any news on wether Mono will be supported in hoary ?
[12:53] <Nermal> umm. it's in hoary
[12:53] <Nermal> not sure what you mean by supported
[12:53] <aardvark> Nermal, that simple......its too simple
[12:53] <photoguy41> what program is used to edit xml files
[12:53] <Nermal> aardvark, thats what I thought
[12:53] <Nermal> it worked though
[12:53] <kroon> Nermal, its in universe, not in main, that is it is not supported
[12:53] <ompaul> photoguy41, you can use any editor to do that
[12:53] <Nermal> then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:53] <Nermal> kroon, ah
[12:54] <aardvark> Nermal, thanks
[12:54] <photoguy41> when i try to open it in gimp it wont let me
[12:54] <Nermal> aardvark, best do it without X running
[12:54] <poofyhair> there is a troll Ubuntu review on Os news
[12:54] <Nermal> heh
[12:54] <LinuxJones> poofyhair, what's the link ?
[12:54] <poofyhair> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9793
[12:55] <DeusY> hello
[12:55] <ompaul> photoguy41, one of the things about ubuntu and linux in general is that there are many ways to do a job, if I was to edit files of that kind I would most likely use bluefish but that is me
[12:56] <photoguy41> im going to have to read about it
[12:56] <photoguy41> thanks for your help
[12:56] <Nermal> "I tried to play a Metallica DVD but Totem, the software provided, threw up its hands and instantly admitted defeat. I know that the code to read DVDs is available, but apparently not in the Gnome world."
[12:56] <Nermal> what a complete tard
[12:56] <DeusY> i need to reinstall from it's cd the Warty release. The current instalation has been updated in time. Where can I find the update files to backup so that I will not need to download them again ?
[12:56] <Da1> hello all
[12:56] <Nermal> DeusY, /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:57] <Da1> i need some help big time
[12:57] <DeusY> Nermal thanks
[12:57] <aleitner_> how can i register a new inet protocol with a new application?
[12:57] <Da1> can someone help me please?
[12:57] <Nermal> well.. whats the problem
[12:57] <Nermal> don't make us work for the info as well as giving you an answer
[12:57] <aleitner_> there used to be a capplet in gnome-control-center to do that, but with gnome 2.10 i cannot seem to find it anymore...
[12:58] <LinuxJones> poofyhair, they don't even have proper grammar in that article
[12:58] <Da1> i have 2 HDD's, the master has windows xp on it and the slave has this ubuntu os on it, i think, well i want top have a dual boot screen so i can boot into winxp when i want
[12:58] <poofyhair> damn, this article makes me mad.......:(
[12:58] <Nermal> alainm, I presume that would be some mime.conf file ;|
[12:58] <poofyhair> 2 seconds in the Ubuntu guide would have fixed everything
[12:58] <Nermal> poofyhair, aye.. one more retard to add to the list :/
[12:58] <LinuxJones> poofyhair, "It was not happy with my choices and only allowed my to continue with the installation after I had also formatted my /home partition."
[12:58] <Nermal> a metallica dvd.. I ask you...
[12:58] <ompaul> poofyhair, so do not get mad get even - write a rebuttal
[12:59] <Da1> i have 2 HDD's, the master has windows xp on it and the slave has this ubuntu os on it, i think, well i want top have a dual boot screen so i can boot into winxp when i want
[12:59] <robodex> I know one guy who wrote ubuntu off because he said the apt repository sucked
[12:59] <robodex> and I asked him if he enabled universe
[12:59] <robodex> he didn't
[12:59] <Spotlight> hello?
[12:59] <Nermal> Da1, it should have spotted it
[12:59] <Spotlight> does this work?
[12:59] <AngryClip> is it possible to have a different wallpaper on each of my virtual desktops?
[12:59] <Nermal> if not add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:59] <ompaul> Spotlight, does what work?
[12:59] <Da1> well it instantly goes into ubuntu
[12:59] <Nermal> Spotlight, no
[01:00] <Spotlight> ok, good
[01:00] <Spotlight> lol
[01:00] <Spotlight> just checking
[01:00] <Da1> nermal how can i make sure it has not overwritten my winxp wdd?
[01:00] <Nermal> Da1, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/<mountpoint> ?
[01:00] <Da1> im new to this
[01:00] <Da1> :/
[01:00] <Spotlight> i need help with my installation of ubuntu on a really old computer
[01:00] <Da1> what do i do?
[01:01] <Spotlight> anyone want to help me
[01:01] <Spotlight> please
[01:02] <ompaul> Da1, I suppose if you typed df you could see if where / was like in my case the returned information is  /dev/hda3             45311744   5519708  37490324  13% / you will note the /dev/hda part if you have that in your table you might just have
[01:02] <Nermal> Spotlight, ffs.. whats wrong
[01:02] <TetrisMaster> Does any1 in here know much about "Vector Linux" i have a C:\\ drive in NTFS 80gigs, and a D:\\ drive FAT32 120 gigs, i want to load up vector linux on my C:\\ drive....will vector linux automatically promt me to create partitions when loading...and will that partition method result in loss of original data?
[01:02] <Spotlight> ok
[01:02] <Da1> nermal its mounted at /dev/hdb1
[01:02] <Nermal> oh
[01:02] <Spotlight> i tried installing ubuntu on a 166 mhz computer with 32m of ram
[01:02] <Nermal> right.. bedtime
[01:02] <Spotlight> i did the custom install
[01:02] <Nermal> Spotlight, eep.. I had trouble with 32mb ram
[01:02] <TetrisMaster> i am running XP, and do not have Partition Magic
[01:02] <neighborlee> sudo ./linux-installer.sh
[01:02] <neighborlee> sudo: unable to execute ./linux-installer.sh: Permission denied ???
[01:03] <Spotlight> it locks up everytime and starts looping a thing that tells me it enters low memory mode
[01:03] <Nermal> neighborlee, chmod 755 linux-installer.sh ?
[01:03] <neighborlee> Nermal, I can't its on disk
[01:03] <mike998> chmod +x linux-installer.sh
[01:03] <Nermal> o
[01:03] <neighborlee> but thx just the same
[01:03] <dilou> doesn't work ...
[01:03] <Da1> ompaul it says /dev/hdb1
[01:03] <dilou> i m so sad
[01:03] <Spotlight> i want to make a web server (very simple one), would you recomend a different version of linux
[01:03] <ompaul> neighborlee, sudo sh linux-installer.sh
[01:03] <Spotlight> i don't want to find ram for this old thing
[01:04] <Nermal> dilou, ?
[01:04] <dilou> yes Nermal
[01:04] <dilou> it doesn't work
[01:04] <ompaul> Da1, so you did not over write the first partition
[01:04] <ompaul> Da1, so you did not over write the first drive even
[01:04] <Da1> so why cant i boot into win xp
[01:04] <Nermal> oh.. it worked fine for me
[01:04] <TetrisMaster> can anyone help me in Vector Linux version 5.0 SOHO??
[01:04] <Nermal> following the guide
[01:04] <Da1> is there a way to make a dual boot screen?
[01:04] <ompaul> Da1, cd /boot/grub
[01:04] <neighborlee> ompaul, k ill try that
[01:04] <dilou> yes i try to do so but doesn t work Nermal
[01:05] <Nermal> TetrisMaster, why would we be able to answer vector linux questions in an ubuntu linux channel?
[01:05] <ompaul> Da1, cat menu.lst
[01:05] <Da1> ok ompaulim there
[01:05] <Nermal> dilou, an error message would be nice
[01:05] <neighborlee> ompaul, well that worked..its loading but I stilll get the nasty ncurses GUI instead of the nice 'loki' one .sigh ;(
[01:05] <TetrisMaster> dont know....dont know many other linux channels
[01:05] <Nermal> if you actually want some help
[01:05] <Spotlight> CAN ANYONE RECOMEND SOME VERSION OF LINUX TO WORK ON AN OLD COMPUTER, I MEAN VERY OLD
[01:05] <dilou> but it is in french Nermal
[01:05] <Spotlight> ubuntu seems to lock up
[01:05] <Nermal> Spotlight, don't shout
[01:05] <Da1> ompaul i have entered that
[01:05] <ompaul> Spotlight, don't should please, you will not get an answer that way
[01:05] <Spotlight> i am not shouting
[01:05] <Nermal> Spotlight, debian probably
[01:05] <Spotlight> ok
[01:06] <ompaul> Spotlight, capitals are shouting in irc :)
[01:06] <Spotlight> ok
[01:06] <Spotlight> never used irc, sorry
[01:06] <Spotlight> just wanted to make it stand out
[01:06] <Spotlight> :)
[01:06] <TetrisMaster> where is a linux help channel?
[01:06] <Nermal> #linuxhelp?
[01:06] <ompaul> Da1, in there can you see an amount of seconds
[01:06] <Pluk> debian minimal install and then something like fluxbox or icewm as windowmanager
[01:06] <TetrisMaster> ok
[01:06] <Spotlight> ahhh
[01:06] <Spotlight> ok
[01:06] <pblogic> Hello there!
[01:07] <Spotlight> well, where can i get that (i am new)
[01:07] <Spotlight> i have a debian install disk
[01:07] <Spotlight> then what
[01:07] <Da1> ompaul, a timeout bit?
[01:07] <Pluk> you better read the debian install docs on www.debian.org
[01:07] <poofyhair> not debian
[01:07] <ompaul> Da1, yes increase that for a start so that it will not "straight away"!
[01:07] <poofyhair> do an ubuntu custom install
[01:07] <pblogic> Hi there guys, mind if I ask a couple of questions?
[01:07] <Spotlight> i tried that
[01:07] <Pluk> but ubuntu costum givs you minimal too
[01:07] <Spotlight> it hangs everytime
[01:08] <Da1> ompaulk its set on 3 seconds already :/
[01:08] <poofyhair> http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[01:08] <aardvark> I am doing a apt-get dist-upgrade and getting "the following packages have been kept back" ????
[01:08] <Pluk> whats really old btw?
[01:08] <ompaul> Da1, make it 10 seconds
[01:08] <Da1> ok
[01:08] <Spotlight> 166 Mhz, 32 m Ram
[01:08] <Da1> how? :P
[01:08] <aardvark> going warty -> hoary
[01:08] <Spotlight> 2.6 GB
[01:08] <Pluk> aardvark, some packages are broken and have been kept back so then wont break you comp
[01:08] <Spotlight> is that too old
[01:08] <pblogic> I decided to try ubuntu. I can't get X to start, and couldnt with mandrake either. However knoppix runs fine, and I had a nice install of mepis running well, even to the pointof running world of warcraft on it. However on some other distros I cant get the x server running. Im pretty new... any ideas?
[01:08] <Pluk> prolly will get fixed in a day
[01:09] <ompaul> Da1, now that your there can you tell me if you have title         Windows?
[01:09] <pblogic> Also, I am pretty unclear on how to login as a superuser in ubuntu, or get the nvidia driver from the command line?
[01:09] <Spotlight> so is debian the one i should try to run
 boot knoppix - copy the XF86Config and use it on ubuntu as a "guide"
[01:09] <pblogic> Ok, im in knoppix right now
 sudo bash should give you a root shell
[01:10] <shock> :P
[01:10] <poofyhair> then your only hope is like...............Damn Small Linux
[01:10] <Da1> yes ompaul i have title        windows 95/98/NP/2000
[01:10] <shock> ;)
[01:10] <poofyhair> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[01:10] <Pluk> debian will do on that
[01:10] <ompaul> Da1, has it a # in front of it?
[01:10] <pblogic> so, I would just type sudo bash?
[01:10] <shock> DSL is noice
[01:10] <Da1> yes ompaul
[01:10] <Spotlight> will damn small linux work with apache and other stuff needed for a server
[01:10] <shock> tried it a week ago =)
[01:10] <pblogic> thanks! sorry im still quite a newb
[01:10] <ghita> just upgraded to openoffice2 and when i try to open or to save openoffice freez.Please help
[01:10] <shock> np
[01:11] <Pluk> dunno if it will a gui normally :)
[01:11] <ompaul> Da1, well clear out those # in that section reboot and see what happens
[01:11] <Spotlight> oh well
[01:11] <Pluk> icewm orlly
[01:11] <Pluk> prolly*
[01:11] <Da1> ok how do i clear them #'s?
[01:11] <Spotlight> are there install instruction for that stuff anywhere
[01:11] <poofyhair> Damn Small is debian, made for old machines
[01:11] <ompaul> Da1, well how did you increase to 10 the timeout?
[01:11] <Spotlight> ahhh
[01:11] <pblogic> also, on mepis I could not find the kernel source anywhere. is the kernel source availible for ubuntu? I need it to do a proper install of the  nvidia driver
[01:11] <Spotlight> i think i miht try it
[01:11] <ElementalDragon> hello
[01:11] <poofyhair> like Ubuntu for the old
[01:11] <Spotlight> might
[01:12] <Spotlight> lol
[01:12] <Da1> i havent yet ompaul
[01:12] <Spotlight> can it run a GUI
[01:12] <Da1> not sure how to :P
[01:12] <poofyhair> And for Minicds
[01:12] <Spotlight> can it run a  GUI
[01:12] <ElementalDragon> i kinda have a problem that i'm hoping someone may be able to help me with
[01:12] <poofyhair> it uses Flux I think by default
[01:12] <hyperbole> people, I'm in trouble
[01:12] <S1nn3r> gah, when i tryed to change the login screen it messed up.. and now the logout menuitem doesnt work
[01:12] <Spotlight> ahhh
[01:12] <Spotlight> ok, thank you poofyhair
[01:12] <aardvark> so I did the dist-upgrade but it still says Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" ?
[01:12] <hyperbole> I somehow have *not* created a root password
[01:12] <Spotlight> i will worship you forever
[01:12] <Spotlight> lol
[01:12] <poofyhair> No prob. good Luck.
[01:13] <Spotlight> ty
[01:13] <ompaul> Da1, sticking out your tounge at a person who is helping and feeling like he has been dragged though a swamp backwards really boosts his commitment :)
[01:13] <hyperbole> and now I can *not* login to my root account
[01:13] <aardvark> I expect Hoary the Hairmaster
[01:13] <poofyhair> Did you sudo apt-get update?
 sudo bash
[01:13] <shock> narf
[01:13] <Dave2> Hey. I asked this yesterday, but my wifi died about 2 seconds after. Are there any plans for Xorg 6.8.2 to be included in Ubuntu Hoary, or will I have to rely on custom packages?
[01:13] <ompaul> Da1, so can you use vi?
[01:13] <shock> or sudo passwd even
[01:13] <Da1> lol sorry i think of the tounge as a silly messing around emoticon lol dont take it the wrong way matey
[01:13] <Dave2> (I've probably missed some obvious page with the info on, as normal)
[01:13] <ElementalDragon> how can i get the Ubuntu installer to detect one of my 2 disc drives?
[01:13] <Da1> whats vi??
[01:14] <Da1> im very new to this
[01:14] <aardvark> so it appears the upgrade from warty to hoary did not work
[01:14] <farruinn> Da1: we are not a search engine, you can look that one up
[01:14] <hyperbole> sudo bash asks me for my password
[01:14] <aardvark> wtheck
[01:14] <pblogic> isnt it dangerous to give any user the ability to execute commands as root?
[01:14] <shock> vi is the pain version of vim (the greatest editor ever)
[01:14] <hyperbole> which isn't there, and this is the problem
[01:14] <hyperbole> vi is an editor
[01:14] <ompaul> Da1, I did end the line with :) which might indicate that you should not take what I said too seriously
[01:14] <aardvark> vi rox
[01:14] <hyperbole> you would better use nano :)
[01:14] <ompaul> Da1, vi is an editor
[01:14] <Da1> lol ok :P :D
 Your password
[01:14] <Dave2> vim > vi!
[01:14] <shock> of your primary user (the one during installation)
[01:15] <aardvark> Dave2 if(edit){vi}
[01:15] <hyperbole> yeah... I kindof forgot.... :)
[01:15] <Da1> ok so ompaul i go into vi?
[01:15] <ompaul> Dave2, vi/m ! not emacs :)
[01:15] <hyperbole> I don't renember it asking me
[01:15] <ompaul> ooh dear I am tired
[01:15] <shock> u dont have a root password in ubuntu
[01:15] <Dave2> vim > emacs > vi
[01:15] <shock> just use sudo
[01:15] <shock> and your users pass
[01:15] <aardvark> Dave2, to vi is to edit
[01:15] <pblogic> hmmmm doesnt that mean ANY user can use sudo to execute commands as root?
[01:16] <hyperbole> does it work that way? kool :)
[01:16] <shock> no
[01:16] <pblogic> with a root password only I can
[01:16] <shock> only the ones in the sudoers file
[01:16] <andrewski> what's the best way for ubuntu users to get the xchat systray plugin?
[01:16] <pblogic> Oh ok!
[01:16] <Dave2> argh :(
[01:16] <shock> (to edit this file use 'visudo')
[01:16] <ompaul> Da1, okay type "vi menu.lst"
[01:16] <aardvark> anyone ideas why my hoary upg failed ?
[01:16] <ElementalDragon> the Ubuntu installer won't recognize my Asus CD-RW drive, or my Lite-ON DVD+/-RW drive
[01:16] <pblogic> hmmm sorry to bother again, but I cant seem to find the XF86Config on the knoppix cd.. where would it be located?
[01:17] <Da1> ok done ompaul
[01:17] <shock> in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:17] <shock> something like that
[01:17] <hyperbole> ehm... that isn't allowed, either
[01:17] <mseney> is it bad practice to have sudo not prompt for a password and furthermore is that even possible to accomplish?
[01:17] <mjr> umm, I rather doubt that the CD contains an XF86Config
[01:17] <ompaul> Da1, type "/Windows" and hit enter
[01:17] <hyperbole> mseney: that is bad practice :)
[01:17] <mjr> it probably has to be generated on the fly
[01:17] <pblogic> Ummm... if it doesnt then how do I get a gui?
[01:18] <mseney> k
 - are you logged in as the user u set up the system with?
[01:18] <ompaul> Da1, hit the home key
[01:18] <pblogic> Then where is it stored?
[01:18] <Dave2> /etc/X11/
[01:18] <hyperbole> no, well I did make a bit of a trouble, perhaps
[01:18] <pblogic> because I can get an xserver running on  knoppix and mepis but not ubuntu
[01:18] <hyperbole> I just started the installation
[01:18] <ompaul> Da1, are you with me?
[01:18] <pblogic> Yes, but im runnig on a CD... if it isnt stored on the cd, then where would it be?
[01:18] <pblogic> see what I mean?
[01:19] <Dave2> generated at boot and stored in a ramdisk
[01:19] <Dave2> ?
[01:19] <pblogic> mjr said it wouoldnt be on the cd
[01:19] <hyperbole> and I created a user account on the fly by chrooting to /target in the second terminal
[01:19] <shock> in the ramdisk knoppix has created
[01:19] <hyperbole> and I'm using that account right now
[01:19] <mseney> hyperbole, how good is Ubuntu w/ setting up a dual boot system Ex) Windows XP and Ubuntu. just curious cuz one time i was installing suse 9.1 and almost messed up my partition table
[01:19] <mseney> hyperbole, i hate having xp but my GF uses it and she isn't fond of linux heh
 - knoppix installs into a "ramdisk" - so just look at /etc/X11/
[01:19] <pblogic> any idea how to get to the ramdisck?
[01:19] <thenuke> huh, if I try to remove ppp with synaptic, it will remove ubuntu-base also :O
[01:20] <Dave2> It'll be mounted as /
 done it 5 times now
[01:20] <shock> never ever any problem
[01:20] <hyperbole> slack does this very well, as well
[01:20] <shock> :)
[01:20] <Pluk> thenuke, ubuntu-base is just a meta package , its safe to unsinstall ppp
[01:20] <shock> k - I'll be back... need a smoke - this conversations here are sooooo confusing :P
[01:21] <thenuke> Pluk: ah, okey then.
[01:21] <Pluk> its a container that lists all subpackages
[01:21] <Pluk> installing ubuntu-base again gives you ppp also
[01:21] <hyperbole> so, in other words, I'm still in trouble :)
[01:21] <thenuke> and what might the difference between remove package and completely remove
[01:21] <chugga> does ubuntu come with wifi tools like kismet?
[01:22] <farruinn> completely remove gets rid of the config files as well
[01:22] <thenuke> roger, thanks
[01:22] <aardvark> anyone ideas why my hoary upg failed ?
[01:22] <aardvark> uhh I am not seeing the light ?
[01:22] <Pluk> whats the error you get aardvark ?
[01:23] <aardvark> no error
[01:23] <hyperbole> is there a way to find out what account I installed ubuntu with?
[01:23] <aardvark> how do I determine if upg success ?
[01:23] <Pluk> remember hoary is still beta and contantly being worked on
[01:23] <aardvark> I am on cmmd line
[01:23] <chugga> yo someone answer me dammit
[01:23] <pblogic> where is the kernel source stored in ubuntu?
[01:24] <Pluk> in /usr/src pblogic
[01:24] <pblogic> thanks!
[01:24] <Pluk> if it is installed
[01:24] <aardvark> chugga, whats up
[01:24] <pblogic> how do I isntall it if its not? apt-get?
[01:24] <Pluk> yes
[01:24] <S1nn3r> when i first ran Ubuntu Gnome didnt have the "wait ages till the logout dialog apears" issue, and now it does
[01:24] <S1nn3r> :/
[01:24] <chugga> aardvark, hey man, just wondering if ubuntu comes with wifi tools like kismet,
[01:24] <aardvark> pblogic, use the tarball
[01:24] <Hiryu_> what's up with gcc-3.4 for ubuntu? I don't see it as installable
[01:24] <pblogic> I dont know how  yet :)
[01:24] <Hiryu_> apt-cache search shows no gcc-3.4 packages :(
[01:25] <Pluk> aardvark, ctrl+clt+F1 on top youll see what you running
[01:25] <Pluk> alt*
[01:25] <aardvark> Pluk, says warty
[01:25] <Hiryu_> do I need a better sources.list?
[01:25] <aardvark> thats the problem
[01:25] <aardvark> I expected Hoary
[01:25] <aardvark> bloody 'ell
[01:26] <Hiryu_> is ubuntu compatable with the regular debian repositories?
[01:26] <Pluk> then do a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:27] <farruinn> Hiryu_: that's in the faq
[01:27] <aardvark> Pluk, thats what I did
[01:27] <aardvark> nada luck
[01:28] <Pluk> broken packages
[01:28] <Hiryu_> thanks
[01:28] <aardvark> Pluk, many were kept back
[01:28] <Pluk> some packages are broken and have been kept back so then wont break you comp
[01:28] <aardvark> ok
[01:28] <aardvark> I'll leave it
[01:28] <Pluk> it will be fixed in a few hours prolly
[01:28] <Pluk> maybe a day
[01:29] <aardvark> chugga, yes kismet and other tools avail
[01:29] <TetrisMaster> wil QTparted make a partition on NTFS file format without messing up data in other partitions on that drive?
[01:29] <hyperbole> no
[01:30] <aardvark> chugga, dwnld kismet and compile
[01:30] <Hiryu_> does ubuntu just not have higher than gcc-3.2?
[01:30] <hyperbole> that is to say, don't trust linux ntfs support
[01:30] <farruinn> Hiryu_: are you in hoary or warty?
[01:30] <TetrisMaster> how can i partition my MS partition to run linux
[01:30] <Hiryu_> far: warty, which is more recent?
[01:31] <farruinn> Hiryu_: actually I have 3.3 and 3.4 in warty
[01:31] <farruinn> hoary is recent, but in development
[01:31] <TetrisMaster> an 80gig NTFS C:\\ drive all one partition...i want to make a 40gig partition holding a 1024mb swap space, and all the rest as my Root, and Home
[01:31] <Hiryu_> so it's like debian's sid?
[01:31] <farruinn> yeah
[01:32] <akmodi> hi----I'm a newbie
[01:32] <Pluk> its sometimes newer then debian unstable
[01:32] <akurashy> hello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash
[01:32] <farruinn> Pluk: I htink he means in the sense that sid will eventually become stable as will hoary
[01:32] <nysin> If I'm running Debian unstable and interested in moving more completely from python2.3 to python2.4, yet find various packages (most of which just reference "python", which depends on "python2.3", but one of which, libsvn0, explicitly depends on python2.3), how safe is it for my install and as regards screwing up other packages to add ubuntu's python-dependent packages?
[01:32] <nysin> (I guess that would be the subversion stuff and the python virtual package
[01:32] <Hiryu_> far: so if I switch from warty to hoary, and I'm already experienced with sid, the world won't explode, right?
[01:33] <Pluk> yeah i understood but wanted to point out the freshness :)
[01:33] <akmodi> I have just installed Ubuntu----but my Creative ISA sound card does not get recognised---can anyone help?
[01:33] <farruinn> Hiryu_: you'd probably be fine
[01:33] <Hiryu_> far: eeeexcellent
[01:33] <ebone> Hey guys.
[01:33] <Pluk> aardvark had problems upgrading to hoary right now
[01:33] <ebone> anyone gotten mod_mono working with apache2 on Ubuntu ?
[01:33] <farruinn> Pluk: I understand, I like bragging about Ubuntu too =)
[01:34] <Hiryu_> far: does it have xorg 6.8+?
[01:34] <Pluk> so i guess upgrading to hoary is broken right now
[01:34] <farruinn> Hiryu_: no idea, there's an unofficial website that's like packages.debian.org or you could browse around archive.ubuntu.com
[01:34] <Pluk> farruinn, yeah me2 :D
[01:35] <aardvark> yeah I will try tomorrow
[01:35] <Pluk> actually there is a site somewhere
[01:35] <Hiryu_> far: cool... I still don't have gcc-3.4, I think my sources.list is pretty sparse
[01:35] <Pluk> unofficial though
[01:35] <farruinn> Hiryu_: perhaps you need the warty-updates repository
[01:35] <foznot> i am having problems giving proper permissions to another user so they can use sudo
[01:35] <Hiryu_> I'll try that...
[01:35] <foznot> any suggestions on how to correct that
[01:35] <farruinn> foznot: you're using visudo?
[01:35] <aardvark> TetrisMaster, u need something like partion manager
[01:36] <Pluk> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[01:36] <aardvark> to resize partition
[01:36] <foznot> visudo...i have no idea what that is
[01:36] <TetrisMaster> i know...but partition magic costs $70 bucks....
[01:36] <S1nn3r> anyone else here have a problem with the login dialog taking far to long to show up after you select logout ?
[01:36] <foznot> i thought i added her  to root and sudo group
[01:36] <foznot> but still no luck
[01:37] <aardvark> TetrisMaster, thats the problem yes
[01:37] <farruinn> foznot: actually, forget what I said, just 'sudo [editor]  /etc/sudoers' and copy the last line for this other user
[01:37] <aardvark> its not OpenSource
[01:37] <aardvark> because its Microsoft related
[01:37] <S1nn3r> sorry.. the logout dialog
[01:37] <nysin> "because it's Microsoft related"?
[01:37] <foznot> gotcha, sudo vim
[01:37] <andrewski> in hoary, where did the synaptic icon go (as of an update today)?
[01:38] <aardvark> TetrisMaster, u there I think I found soemthing for u
[01:39] <aardvark> here is a way to do it http://www.hut.fi/~tkarvine/linux-windows-dual-boot-resizing-ntfs.htmlrn
[01:39] <TetrisMaster> ill check it out
[01:39] <alexander_> hey, can you install regular programs and games onto ubuntu?
[01:39] <aardvark> the program is NTFSResize
[01:40] <aardvark> must dash bye all fellow Ubuntu'ers
[01:41] <aardvark> live long and prosper
[01:41] <Pluk> alexander_, if you mean windows apps then  you can install wine , or buy cedega for games
[01:41] <alexander_> cedega?
[01:41] <alexander_> wine?
[01:41] <alexander_> lol
[01:41] <alexander_> (im such a noob to linux)
[01:41] <Pluk> :)
[01:41] <Pluk> wine can be a pain though most of the time
[01:42] <andrewski> alexander_: make google yours. :)
[01:42] <marcin_ant> jdub: ping
[01:42] <alexander_> what is it t hough?
[01:42] <andrewski> alexander_: it's not an emulator. :)
[01:42] <andril> hello all
[01:42] <nysin> Enter 'wine' in Google.
[01:42] <alexander_> wait, what? what is wine?
[01:42] <alexander_> is it a program?
[01:42] <borgista> wine is not a windows emulator.
[01:42] <Pluk> yup
[01:42] <borgista> it's an emulator.
[01:42] <Slask3n> why is my gaim crashing when the computer has been inactive and in powersave mode?
[01:42] <chugga> i dont want to download kismet,
[01:42] <andrewski> borgista: winwe?
[01:42] <chugga> i want to run off the cd......................
[01:42] <andrewski> ;P
[01:43] <nysin> I love how it's co-opted hundreds (thousands?) of years of fermented alcoholic beverages to take the top two spots.
[01:43] <farruinn> chugga: you mean livecd?
[01:43] <alexander_> so i just do apt-get install wine
[01:43] <alexander_> right?
[01:43] <Pluk> kismet is in universe so its not on the cd
[01:43] <Slask3n> www.winehq.com
[01:43] <alexander_> k thx
[01:43] <dstevens> Wine = Open Source implementation of the Windows API
[01:44] <bascule> http://fraknkscorner.org <-- good wine site laso
[01:44] <chugga> fabbione, yes, i do
[01:44] <andril> can someone help me tell what builb of Ubuntu I am running?
[01:44] <alexander_> so wait, does wine work with ubuntu though?
[01:44] <borgista> yes, alexander.
[01:44] <borgista> but WINE isn't that great.
[01:45] <bascule> frankscorner.org
[01:45] <alexander_> is there a better substitute for wine then?
[01:45] <bascule> oops :)
[01:45] <andril> WINE actually sucks
[01:45] <borgista> i'd just forget about Windows emulation on linux.
[01:45] <bascule> it does you know
[01:45] <borgista> personally
[01:45] <Pluk> better subst. is vmware
[01:45] <Pluk> its not free though :)
[01:45] <dstevens> TransGaming is developing improvements to the Wine project to achieve full Linux compatibility for games developed using the Microsoft DirectX APIs
[01:46] <alexander_> that sux
[01:46] <dstevens> Why you would want to run windows apps on a nix* is beyond me though
[01:46] <alexander_> so the best freeware program is wine?
[01:47] <alexander_> like, i wanna install all my old programs onto linux and all my games as well
[01:47] <Pluk> dstevens, some apps arent ported
[01:47] <Pluk> i would love to see solidworks4linux  :)
[01:48] <dstevens> Old Programs nix alternatives, Games are for consoles imho.
[01:48] <Slask3n> when i leave my computer inactive for a couple hours or over the night, the GAIM has crashed and is no longer running.. :s what can i do t prevent this?
[01:48] <dstevens> As they proberly will not run how you expect them to.
[01:48] <sysop> Easy question...except for me...what directory is my Linux kernel source code located?
[01:48] <Pluk> sysop, /usr/src
[01:48] <sysop> Pluk: Thank you very much!! :-)
[01:49] <Pluk> yw
[01:49] <Slask3n> when i leave my computer inactive for a couple hours or over the night, the GAIM has crashed and is no longer running.. :s what can i do t prevent this?
[01:50] <Pluk> Slask3n, open gaim in a terminal and let it run for hours
[01:50] <nysin> So, would selectively importing two ubuntu packages into debian unstable screw things up?
[01:50] <Slask3n> pluk: ??
[01:50] <Pluk> when it crashes it will maybe produce some output
[01:50] <Slask3n> aah...
[01:50] <Slask3n> ok
[01:50] <Slask3n> :)
[01:50] <Slask3n> Pluk: thank you :)
[01:50] <Pluk> np
[01:51] <bik> is it possible to get my nforce3 mobo working without closed nvidia drivers? warty/hoary both don't recognize the built in nic
[01:51] <Pluk> nysin, if they are just apps then no, but if they are OS specific then maybe
[01:51] <nysin> libsvn0 and the "python" virtual package
[01:52] <nysin> Not really applications, but not core sytem stuff either.
[01:52] <dstevens> bik: Not without the closed drivers.
[01:52] <nysin> I should be able to use debian's "python2.4" directly
[01:52] <bik> ok, thanks dstevens
[01:52] <Pluk> libsvn0 wont prolly break it
[01:52] <Pluk> python dunno
[01:52] <bik> i wonder how I will be able to build the modules sans gcc
[01:53] <Pluk> bik you need the forcedeth module
[01:53] <Pluk> is that module loaded?
[01:53] <bik> let me check
[01:53] <bik> yeah, it is
[01:54] <Pluk> what does ifup eth0 give?
[01:54] <S1nn3r> anyone else here have a problem with the logout dialog taking far to long to show up after you select logout from the Computer menu ??
[01:54] <bik> a bunch of 'message too long' errors
[01:55] <Pluk> ifconfig shows only lo right?
[01:55] <bik> it shows eth0 as well, but most of the fields aren't filled in, e.g. hardware address
[01:55] <Pluk> hmmm thats weird
[01:56] <andrewski> when you install a new WM/DE, do you have to restart GDM or can you just use a new login (i.e. gdmflexiserver)?
[01:57] <dstevens> S1nn3r, It does takes time on my 500mhz embedded system, think the cause is mainly due to the screen trying to cycle thought the colours to light to dark
[01:57] <Pluk> maybe the logs say something usefull bik
[01:57] <S1nn3r> dstevens: its before it does that cycle thing
[01:57] <bik> where can I find those
[01:58] <dstevens> Once it has done the cycle it then prompts the logout option, yup i do agree it can be a little slow on small systems
[01:59] <dstevens> Personally i do not see the reason for the cycle thingy ma jiggy.
[02:00] <bik> hmm
[02:00] <bik> somewhere in my fiddling it is now seeing the HwAddr, but dhcp doesn't resolve
[02:01] <bik> i guess it's on discovery that the message too long error comes up
[02:02] <S1nn3r> dstevens: no with me what it is is its takeing to long even before it does the cycle thingy, i had the same problem with a gentoo instalation and found out quite a few people had the problem but no fix
[02:04] <bik> hrmm..
[02:04] <Lithi> Whats using port 80 with a default installation of warty, or whats not allowing me to run a shoutcast server on port 80
[02:05] <bik> so dhcp won't discover, but I can set my ip manually, which lets me ping google.com, but the browser still doesn't work. Is there a firewall enabled by default in ubuntu?
[02:05] <Pluk> bik, in /etc/resolv.conf you have to add the nameservers
[02:05] <Xenguy> bik: no firewall by default
[02:06] <Pluk> ah wait nevermind
[02:06] <chugga> ok ubuntu,
[02:06] <chugga> thanks for nothing,
[02:06] <Pluk> you can ping a url
[02:06] <Pluk> yur welcome chugga....
[02:06] <ebone> anybody mod_mono working with apache2 on Ubuntu ?
[02:07] <ebone> hey guys, is there a mailing list ?
[02:07] <S1nn3r> Linux is proveing to be just as much of a pain in the arse (for diffrent reasons mind you) as Win XP MCE is to get working right on this system :/
[02:07] <Pluk> ebone,  i guess not since there is no libapache2-mod-mono
[02:07] <bik> .  /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver entries and search blah.comcast.net, which sounds right
[02:07] <Pluk> not in ubuntu at least
[02:08] <Lithi> Ok users cant bind anything to port 80, must be root
[02:08] <Pluk> yeah bik thats why i said nevermind :)
[02:08] <ebone> yeah.
[02:08] <Pluk> everythin below 1024 are are for root to be binded only
[02:08] <ebone> i thought maybe somebody had gotten adventurous and compiled it themselves.
[02:08] <ebone> i'm trying to do that right now but i hit a snafu.
[02:09] <pyrohotdog> Hey, I have a question...
[02:09] <pyrohotdog> If there is anyone in here...
[02:10] <Pluk> ebone, its possible though just check google
[02:10] <Pluk> just ask pyrohotdog :)
[02:11] <pyrohotdog> ha...
[02:11] <pyrohotdog> Does anyone knoe why I can't get my resolution above 1024x768?
[02:11] <pyrohotdog> *know
[02:12] <Pluk> if you change res are higher resolutions listed?
[02:12] <ebone> Pluk: you think that's what that mono-apache-server package is ?
[02:12] <ebone> it's hard to tell, but i may try that.
[02:13] <Pluk> ebone, no thats for apache1 i think
[02:13] <pyrohotdog> Well I'm on 1024, and I want to go up to 1280....
[02:13] <ebone> yeah, your right.
[02:13] <ebone> damn.
[02:13] <pyrohotdog> But it doesn't give me the option.
[02:13] <stodge> Are live cds of hoary produced on a regular basis for testing purposes?
[02:13] <Pluk> pyrohotdog, you have to edit /etc/X11/XFconfig-4
[02:14] <Pluk> and add more resolutions
[02:14] <pyrohotdog> Ooohhh....okay.
[02:14] <tritium> Beyond changing ESD to ALSA in Multimedia Systems Output, how do I prevent ESD from running at every login?
[02:14] <ebone> Pluk: would you chance just installing the debian package ?
[02:15] <ebone> how bad can you screw things up ?
[02:15] <Pluk> not very bad i think
[02:15] <Pluk> no guarantee though :)
[02:15] <pyrohotdog> Wanna give me an example of what that would look like....? :)
[02:16] <Pluk> my only res is 1400x1050 so the file says:         Modes       "1400x1050"
[02:16] <pyrohotdog> I see, what depth would I put it under?
[02:16] <Pluk> to add something you edit it to         Modes       "1400x1050" "1280x1024"
[02:16] <Pluk> 24
[02:17] <Pluk> or edit them all
[02:17] <pyrohotdog> Okay, let's see how this works....
[02:17] <Pluk> but you prolly want to run at highest depth
[02:17] <Pluk> :)
[02:18] <pyrohotdog> Oh..?
[02:18] <tritium> goddamn fucking esound
[02:18] <pyrohotdog> lol
[02:19] <Pluk> dang just wanted to type the esound thingy
[02:20] <usual> hey AndyFitz :)
[02:20] <pyrohotdog> Ha, worked. Thanks guys.
[02:21] <Pluk> yw
[02:22] <theeota> does anyone here know how to fix a problem with warty warthog concerning not finding screens - I installed but i cant load the GUI
[02:22] <neighborlee> wondering if they changed the automounted system in hoary ( udev and project utopia ?) b ecause its not working very well atm....thx anyone ;-))
[02:22] <AndyFitz> g'day usual
[02:23] <theeota> anyone?
[02:23] <|QuaD-> any c++/compsci gurus here? i need help!
[02:24] <neighborlee> theeota, what gui cant you load
[02:25] <theeota> well when I start the computer, it goes through loading, the in the black screen (prompt I thing) it asks for a username/pass and it blinks twice then says it cant load X or something and that I need to fix it, then it says it cant find any screens
[02:25] <karim> why does ubuntu have that much succes ?
[02:25] <theeota> i tried reconfiguring with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:25] <neighborlee> theeota, did you install ati or something..?
[02:25] <theeota> someone said
[02:25] <zenrox> theeota,  you have a nvidia, ati video card
[02:25] <theeota> and it did nothign
[02:25] <karim> I mean I also have a debian on a mac, and I plan to switch it to ubuntu
[02:26] <theeota> nvidia
[02:26] <neighborlee> oh ok
[02:26] <karim> I have already a ubuntu on a PC
[02:26] <zenrox> theeota, do a modprobe nvidia
[02:26] <theeota> how do you do that
[02:26] <zenrox> and then restart x
[02:26] <karim> I mean in fact there is not that much difference between ubuntu and debian, what for you is the difference ?
[02:26] <zenrox> theeota,  just like this sudo modprobe nvidia
[02:26] <theeota> speaking of which, it says somethigng about that when loading, that it failed
[02:26] <neighborlee> theeota, ok I bet you forgot to run the nvidia-blah enable code..it must be done or you have to manually edit the xf86config file
[02:26] <neighborlee> lemme find it
[02:27] <zenrox> neighborlee, its sudo nvidia-settings enable
[02:27] <Benbis> Wonder if someone can help: I can't install Ubuntu. The installation blocks when it gets to identifying and mounting the CD-ROM drive.
[02:27] <neighborlee> theeota: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable that one
[02:27] <neighborlee> theeota: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable<< that one
[02:27] <neighborlee> zenrox, yup
[02:28] <theeota> ok
[02:28] <Benbis> Did a test: tried booting with the live CD, with all HDs disconnected. That worked fine.
[02:28] <theeota> ill try that
[02:28] <theeota> thx, be back if it doesnt work
[02:28] <neighborlee> heh np
[02:28] <zenrox> ok
[02:30] <Benbis> No suggestions?
[02:31] <Slask3n> Benbis: You dont have a USB-stick connected?
[02:32] <bik> hmm.. i'm stumped. no dhcp, if i manually set the ip, ping works, but nothing else
[02:32] <pyrohotdog> Anyone...how can I mount and use my NTFS drive...?
[02:32] <zenrox> bik, are you adding your dns addys to your config
[02:32] <Benbis> Hmm, usb that's connected is the keyboard and mouse, that's all
[02:32] <zenrox> pyrohotdog, read www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:32] <bik> zenrox it seems to have them already
[02:33] <zenrox> pyrohotdog,  just rember you cant write to ntfs
[02:33] <bik> it has basically the same lines that my os x machine does
[02:33] <pyrohotdog> Okay.
[02:33] <Slask3n> Benbis: Ok, I had the same problem, but then i unplugged my USB-memorythong.. and installed again, then it was no problems...
[02:33] <zenrox> bik,  thats odd
[02:34] <bik> I can't even get to my router by putting the ip in a browser
[02:34] <Benbis> ok. Might give a shot at unplugging all the usb stuff then.
[02:34] <zenrox> bik,  put your ip of your router in to the dns
[02:34] <zenrox> i found that that helps
[02:34] <bik> 'nameserver 192.168.0.1' like that?
[02:34] <Benbis> What I can't figure is why it would boot on the live cd though
[02:34] <zenrox> yep
[02:35] <bik> k
[02:35] <Slask3n> my desktop is USB... and causes no probs.. but it was just the usb-stick
[02:35] <Benbis> ok. Then I'm really baffled.
[02:35] <Benbis> ompaul thought it might have to do with my sata hard disks
[02:36] <Benbis> but unplugging them doesn't change a thing
[02:36] <zenrox> Benbis, maby the cdrom is going bad or you have cable slect enabed on the drive
[02:37] <zenrox> make the cdrom master or slave depending whare it is on the ide chain
[02:37] <Benbis> ok. I`ll recheck the cable select again, and if that doesn't do it, I`ll try another cd drive. Got 3 on a shelf, ranging from old to antique. One of them ought to work.
[02:38] <zenrox> yep
[02:38] <zenrox> i have 4 broken ones hoping up my couch
[02:38] <zenrox> holding
[02:38] <Benbis> hehehe... You should have seen the cleanup over the weekend. Discarded a lot of old stuff. Would you believe a 300 bauds modem in the lot. Sheesh
[02:39] <zenrox> theeota,  so it dint work
[02:39] <theeota> no
[02:39] <theeota> sadly
[02:39] <Benbis> Anyways, off to try that. Back in a bit.
[02:39] <zenrox> theeota,  do you have the nvidia driver installed
[02:39] <Benbis> Thanks for the suggestions, Zen and Slask
[02:40] <theeota> i got this error btw: PCI cannot allocate resource reg 4 of device 0000:00:02.1
[02:40] <zenrox> thats an odd error
[02:40] <zenrox> hmmm
[02:40] <theeota> and it said that Modprobe: FATAL :
[02:40] <theeota> and that its Unallowed
[02:40] <zenrox> ok sound like a misconfiguration or bad hardware
[02:40] <theeota> when i try to startx it cant find symbols in any of the files
[02:40] <zenrox> or conflict of hardware
[02:41] <theeota> thats what it says to me
[02:41] <zenrox> theeota, thats casue the driver ant loaded
[02:41] <theeota> all i have installed is 2 DVD-drives, 1 hd and my video, network and soudn card
[02:41] <theeota> where do you get the drivers then that can be installed from the prompt
[02:42] <theeota> from the vendor
[02:42] <zenrox> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[02:42] <zenrox> thoes are from the vendor
[02:43] <theeota> ok
[02:43] <zenrox> if you get the ones actualy from nvidia your going to have to compile them your self
[02:43] <theeota> yeah thats true
[02:43] <theeota> ...
[02:43] <zenrox> that can be a pain
[02:43] <theeota> well, i am going to try this command, and see what else i can turn up, thx for the help, be back to tell you what happened
[02:44] <zenrox> theeota, hold on
[02:44] <theeota> ok
[02:44] <zenrox> do you have all the respotries enabled
[02:45] <theeota> im not sure, im pretty mucha linux newb
[02:47] <zenrox> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[02:47] <zenrox> and www.ubuntuguide.org for other stuff
[02:48] <zenrox> the ubuntuguide has a good way to install the nvidia drivers
[02:49] <theeota> ok
[02:49] <ebone> Hey guys ...
[02:49] <ebone> any apt-get gurus/wizards ?
[02:51] <zenrox> ebone,  whats up
[02:51] <mseney> anyone have rhythmbox working? i can't seem to play any internet radio from it.
[02:52] <Zotnix> mseney, mainly because it doesn't support mp3
[02:52] <Zotnix> You can get it to play internet radio if you get libraries for mp3 and whatnot.
[02:52] <mseney> Zotnix, but the stations listed when you first start the program should work right?
[02:52] <Zotnix> mseney, they don't.
[02:53] <zenrox> mseney, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:53] <Zotnix> mseney,  gst-register-0.8 is a command that will get it to work after you follow that wiki.
[02:54] <linuxn00b> Hi, if I want to connect 2 pcs I use a straight-though cable right?
[02:55] <zenrox> linuxboy,  you need a crossover
[02:55] <TetrisMaster> can linux root and home partitions be ONE partition, rather then 2 seperate ones?
[02:55] <zenrox> straight-thru is to your router
[02:55] <zenrox> TetrisMaster,  yes
[02:55] <zenrox> but i dont recomend that TetrisMaster
[02:55] <TetrisMaster> ok
[02:56] <zenrox> TetrisMaster,  if you have to reinstall fore watever reasion you dont louse your settings and files
[02:56] <zenrox> just the os and files you compiled for your self
[02:56] <TetrisMaster> well also if i have a linux partition past the first 1024 mbs of data on my drive and i have XP currently installed, can i use Lilo installed into the MBR?
[02:57] <linuxn00b> zenrox, ok I just want to make sure I don't fuck up...but I was sure it was straight :/
[02:57] <bik> nice, thanks for the help guys, networking is up
[02:57] <TetrisMaster> and dual-bbot the 2?
[02:57] <TetrisMaster> booy*
[02:57] <bik> now I just need to figure out why hoary doesn't like my audigy
[02:57] <TetrisMaster> boot*
[02:57] <theeota> ug
[02:58] <zenrox> lol theeota
[02:58] <theeota> zenrox, guess what - i got the drivers from nvidia, and was going to install them, but i got a catch 22 - i cant copy them to the drive from the bootable linux, and i cant install them from a loaded X, si im stuck
[02:58] <theeota> lol
[02:59] <theeota> if i burned that file to a CD would it work?
[02:59] <TetrisMaster> does anyone know if LILO in the MBR will dual-boot linux and XP, if XP was installed first
[02:59] <zenrox> theeota,  and your going to have to d/l your kernel-source too to install thoes drivers
[02:59] <TetrisMaster> or will i have to use a different boot loader?
[03:03] <eruin> use grub
[03:04] <theeota> I'll brb
[03:04] <TetrisMaster> grub?
[03:04] <TetrisMaster> and how does that work/setup?
[03:04] <TetrisMaster> compared to LILO?
[03:04] <eruin> it's default in ubuntu
[03:04] <eruin> and should be set up automatically
[03:05] <TetrisMaster> well im not gonna be running ubuntu ;)
[03:05] <TetrisMaster> i just find the most help on this channel
[03:05] <eruin> well, I used to load xp just fine with lilo back in the days
[03:05] <TetrisMaster> but generally, what consists of setting up grub?
[03:05] <eruin> nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:06] <eruin> ~grub-install
[03:06] <eruin> reboot
[03:06] <edlang> Hi - I've just set up an HP 990Cxi printer on an AMD64 machine running Ubuntu Hoary. First question: it seems the printer driver is screwy - is this a known problem on this problem with this driver (hpijs)?
[03:06] <TetrisMaster> and the nano, and ~grub line go in command?
[03:06] <eruin> yes
[03:06] <TetrisMaster> im a newbie
[03:06] <eruin> what exactly are you doing?
[03:06] <eruin> you seem to be doing non-newbie stuff
[03:06] <edlang> grey is blue; red is megenta; green is cyan; blue is blue. cyan is cyan, megenta is magenta, yellow is non existent. black is a light coloured blue.
[03:06] <ebone> guys ... guys !!
[03:07] <ebone> ubuntu muntu wiki quicky !@
[03:07] <TetrisMaster> well i need to create an unpartitioned space on an NTFS C:\\ drive for Vector Linix.
[03:07] <edlang> Secondly, how do I share USB attached printers on the network using CUPS? I couldn't see a "share printer" or similar option.
[03:07] <eruin> edlang: replace the ink? :O
[03:07] <TetrisMaster> then install Vector Linux, and have it dual-boot to MS XP, or linux
[03:07] <edlang> eruin: It was printing fine when attached to a jetdirect box.
[03:07] <eruin> TetrisMaster: partition magic would do that for you
[03:08] <zenrox> edlang, you need to use samba to share a printer www.ubuntuguide.org for config
[03:08] <edlang> I can't share it using IPP or standard unix LPD?
[03:08] <TetrisMaster> eruin: i know, but couldnt i also use systemrestoreCD...im not paying $70 for PM :)
[03:08] <zenrox> edlang,  you can if you know how
[03:08] <edlang> Samba seems like a bit too much overkill.
[03:08] <eruin> no idea what systemrestoreCD is
[03:09] <TetrisMaster> it uses QTparted
[03:09] <zenrox> edlang,  samba is easy and smaller
[03:09] <eruin> oh, well, maybe
[03:09] <TetrisMaster> but anyway, so Grub will work better then LILO....?
[03:09] <eruin> that's the general consensus yeah
[03:09] <eruin> google grub chainloader
[03:10] <thebartman> hey guys.. I've been messing up my xf86config file..
[03:10] <TetrisMaster> grub chainloader?
[03:10] <eruin> google it
[03:10] <thebartman> is there a command  I can run to recreate it
[03:10] <eruin> should turn up with manual settings for loading xp
[03:10] <edlang> Is there a gnome UI to samba which I should install?
[03:10] <edlang> oh actually, that ubuntuguide url, huh.
[03:10] <thebartman> is there a cli command to reconfigure the video
[03:10] <zenrox> thebartman, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:11] <thebartman> crap.. I did that... it didn't reconfig the monitor settings and stuff
[03:11] <thebartman> darn.. I need something to totally redo my xf86conf-4
[03:11] <zenrox> edlang,  that usr tells you how to do it in the command line but you can learn that way on how to edit the smb.conf file easey
[03:12] <thebartman> err.. xf86config-4
[03:12] <eruin> I hate to be the one saying this, but cp -f file-to-edit file-to-edit.bak && nano -w file-to-edit
[03:12] <eruin> :P
[03:13] <ebone> are there any Ubuntu gurus here ?
[03:13] <edlang> zenrox: I last looked at samba config files about 6 years ago, but it seems I haven't forgotten too much
[03:13] <thebartman> darn.. now it's saying no screens found
[03:13] <thebartman> is there a way to reconfig the monitor
[03:13] <zenrox> edlang,  tame to start over then hu??
[03:13] <zenrox> tame=time
[03:13] <abakis> did apple make macos 7.1 legal for free download?
[03:13] <adapt> is there a hoary chanel or is everything in here?
[03:14] <zenrox> adapt, in this one channel
[03:14] <ebone> where's my guru ?
[03:14] <ebone> where are all the gurus "
[03:14] <ebone> ?
[03:14] <zenrox> ebone,  i am a guru
[03:14] <adapt> ok. ive been searching for a way to install mplayer (even the wiki) but it wont work.
[03:14] <ebone> zenrox: yeah !
[03:14] <adapt> there is a wiki entry for mplayer on hoary, but it seems outdated
[03:14] <zenrox> adapt, the mplayer in hoary is broke compile it your self
[03:14] <Quest-Master> lol
[03:15] <crimsun_> adapt: it works on warty. I check every couple days to make sure my workaround is still relevant.
[03:15] <ebone> zenrox: i am thinking of "upgrading" to hoary ?
[03:15] <ebone> sounds a little scarry.
[03:15] <adapt> zenrox, thanks, will do.
[03:15] <adapt> crimsun, thanks!
[03:15] <zenrox> ebone,  why??
[03:15] <ebone> i added hoary to my sources.list file ...
[03:15] <ebone> now i'm going to do "apt-get upgrade".
[03:15] <eruin> errrrrrrrr
[03:15] <eruin> do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:15] <ebone> i don't know ... i just cant believe it's going to work.
[03:15] <scorpix> hi all
[03:15] <ebone> ohh ... thanks.
[03:16] <zenrox> ebone,  you want to do a apt-get update first then dist-upgrade
[03:16] <eruin> and apt-get update first ofc ;)
[03:16] <thebartman> other than that one config mentioned above... how can I use the cli to reconfig my monitor and video card
[03:16] <ebone> thanks ... cool, i did the update.
[03:16] <ebone> that makes me feel better they have a seperate dist-upgrade command.
[03:16] <scorpix> how can i make my HP deskjet 3325 work in Hoary?
[03:16] <thebartman> like lets say I blow away my XF86config-4 file.. how can I recreate it
[03:17] <ebone> guys ... can i keep X11/KDE running ?
[03:17] <farruinn> thebartman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[03:17] <zenrox> ebone,  i wouldent
[03:17] <ebone> is it going to need to write over all those libraries and stuff.
[03:17] <zenrox> ebone,  yep
[03:17] <ebone> zenrox: yeah, i tend to think your right.
[03:17] <ebone> it's just a little scarry.  :)
[03:17] <zenrox> ya it is
[03:18] <Riddell> ebone: shouldn't be a problem until you try starting new applications
[03:18] <eruin> ebone: you'll just have to restart when it's all over
[03:18] <ebone> ahh ... cool. so i don't even really need to kill anything then.
[03:18] <thebartman> guys.. please, is there a way to recreate my xfr86config-4 file
[03:18] <thebartman> xf86config-4 that is
[03:18] <ebone> guys ... i may have a couple of things from universe and multiverse ...
[03:19] <zenrox> thebartman,  just the way i told you
[03:19] <ebone> are they likely to get muffed ?
[03:19] <farruinn> thebartman: that command that we gave you is the best way
[03:19] <zenrox> ebone,  no
[03:19] <thebartman> it didn't recreate the monitor settings
[03:19] <farruinn> did you select medium or advanced for monitor settings?
[03:19] <zenrox> slect advansed and put in your montor vert and horz ranges
[03:19] <ebone> i take it i want to comment out those sources from the sources.list file though (universe and multiverse, i.e.).
[03:20] <ebone> it will pull crap in from them won't it ? if they are > version ?
[03:20] <zenrox> ebone,  you wont need to
[03:20] <thebartman> ok.. I deleted my xf86config file and running the command again
[03:20] <ebone> alright, here goes.   :)
[03:20] <Quest-Master> If I have someone on my buddy list, and they have blocked me but are online, will they still show up in Gaim?
[03:20] <alexander_> alrighty, who wants to help me out?
[03:20] <Quest-Master> I remember once that that was true
[03:20] <Quest-Master> I think my friend is playing a joke on me, so I just want to be sure
[03:21] <thebartman> still says no screens found and gives io error 104
[03:21] <linuxn00b> On my 2nd nic I don't see my link lights on even tho it is connected to the router
[03:21] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  ya i thinnk so
[03:21] <theeot1> zenrox - update - I got eh drivers to work with the sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings but the screens are still not there and the xfree86 file or whatever is completely empty
[03:21] <thebartman> and there's no XF86config-4 file now
[03:21] <alexander_> anybody here know anything about wine?
[03:21] <zenrox> theeot1, you using warty right
[03:22] <theeot1> yeah
[03:22] <zenrox> theeot1, the XF86config-4 file
[03:22] <zenrox> ??
[03:22] <mystify> please help me!!!
[03:22] <theeot1> yeah
[03:22] <ebone> hey guys, where did i get KDE from anywhere ?
[03:22] <ebone> universe ?
[03:22] <zenrox> hmm
[03:22] <ebone> it's saying it's going to uninstall KDE.
[03:23] <theeot1> its blank and it says i have no screens
[03:23] <zenrox> we need the nvidia guru out here pronto
[03:23] <farruinn> ebone: yes, KDE is in universe
[03:23] <gangalino> where can I find libglib2.4.8-1 dev?
[03:23] <zenrox> theeot1, its over my head now
[03:23] <theeot1> I almost wish i had another card
[03:23] <theeot1> its ok
[03:23] <theeot1> ill just try to get it to work
[03:23] <ebone> my bad ...
[03:24] <ebone> i hadn't added a "main" hoary, just a universe hoary.
[03:24] <theeot1> im just frustrated that im so close to using the program but stuck here at the edge
[03:24] <farruinn> gangalino: you're in warty or hoary?
[03:24] <zenrox> theeot1,  ya trying getiing 2 nvidia cards to play nice with 2 diferent montiors
[03:24] <zenrox> thats a pain
[03:25] <ebone> Hey guys ... did they switch to X.org for hoary ?
[03:25] <gangalino> farruinn: warty
[03:25] <ebone> These are all the things it says it's going to remove:
[03:25] <ebone> blt-common esound fam gnome-cpufreq-applet libfam0c102 libgtop2-4 libmimelib1 libnautilus2-2 libopenh323-1.13.2 libpt-1.6.3
[03:25] <ebone>   python-fixedpoint python-mpz trashapplet trm xfree86-driver-synaptics xserver-xfree86
[03:25] <crimsun_> ebone: yes, early on.
[03:25] <neighborlee> did they remove gnome editing of menus via nautilus in hoary ? ...Applications:/// no longer works...
[03:25] <zenrox> ebone,  yes
[03:25] <zenrox> neighborlee,  yes
[03:25] <Pluk> neighborlee, indeed
[03:25] <ebone> o.k. ... so i'll be getting an X.org server, which is fine i guess.
[03:26] <neighborlee> i'm going to strangle me some gnome developers!!
[03:26] <tuxadermist> Woot
[03:26] <theeot1> no, i have 1 monitor
[03:26] <theeot1> 1 card in agp
[03:26] <zenrox> ebone,  if you have a special vid card you might have to redo the drivers
[03:26] <farruinn> gangalino: the newest I see is 2.0. I don't know what's in hoary
[03:26] <neighborlee> could they get any more clueless ?
[03:26] <theeot1> whats the slot for AGP
[03:26] <neighborlee> lol
[03:26] <theeot1> it says to chose the video card interface and its generic is PCI 1.0.0
[03:26] <Pluk> gnome is in a change now for menu editing
[03:26] <theeot1> or something is that wrong
[03:26] <zenrox> theeot1, pci1:0:0 i think
[03:26] <farruinn> neighborlee: I believe that it's only temporary
[03:26] <gangalino> farruinn: I have 2.4.8-1 installed, it shows up as 2.0 in synaptic
[03:26] <ebone> zenrox: i have an nvidia, it's built onto the motherboard.
[03:26] <farruinn> gangalino: heh, odd
[03:26] <ebone> nothing fancy.
[03:27] <akurashy> hello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash
[03:27] <zenrox> ebone,  the x.log should tell you wahre its at
[03:27] <ebone> How about the X.org config file ? Is it the same format as XF86 ?
[03:27] <zenrox> casue its decting it
[03:27] <zenrox> ebone,  pretty much
[03:27] <pyrohotdog> Hey...anyone....my XMMS isn't working....
[03:27] <neighborlee> farruinn, ;-) I hope so indeed...thx for heads up
[03:28] <jeavis> hi hello
[03:28] <jeavis> I want to install mySQL 5, what I need to do?
[03:30] <ebone> damn guys ... i don't know anything about X.org.
[03:30] <ebone> can it do drm, dri, and all that crap ?
[03:30] <Pluk> its just xfree86 but better
[03:30] <ebone> so it's got all that crap ?
[03:30] <ebone> can I install XF86 if i want to after the upgrade ?
[03:30] <zenrox> ebone,  yes
[03:30] <Pluk> yeah got it all
[03:31] <ebone> i'm just an old geezer i guess, stuck in my ways.
[03:31] <zenrox> ebone,  x.org is much bertter tho
[03:31] <mseney> Zotnix, thanks for the link man. I did manage to get Realplayer 10 installed though and now it's playing my audio perfectly :)
[03:31] <jevidl> hey guys, quick question. I tried using steghide, but it is telling me jpeg support is not included. that's ok, I tried compiling froms scratch, but it tells me that some librarires are missing
[03:31] <jevidl> I compiled the libraries, but it is still saying they are missing. any suggestions?
[03:31] <monkey89> xf86configs work fine with xorg
[03:32] <monkey89> there's no reason not to switch
[03:32] <monkey89> a very low number of peopel have problems
[03:32] <edlang> Ok, I managed to get samba playing halfway nice. Now, I have this:
[03:32] <mseney> Zotnix, now can you tell me how to get the gnome window list to show more of the window list button?
[03:32] <edlang> DeskJet-990C is ready and printing
[03:32] <edlang> Rank    Owner   Job     File(s)                         Total Size
[03:32] <edlang> active  nobody  6       smbprn.00000003 Remote Downleve 405504 bytes
[03:32] <edlang> Where to take it from there?
[03:32] <edlang> The pinter is sitting idle.
[03:32] <monkey89> mseney, right click on the little drag bar to the left of the windows but to the right of the defsktop window
[03:32] <monkey89> up the minimum size
[03:32] <jevidl> anyone? :)
[03:33] <neighborlee> oh btw anyone..has the automounting mechanism changed in hoary ?..the icon wont display on desktop on cd insert and when I do: right click > open with 'sh'..the cd lights up for a second and then bam stops..have they done meddling with hoary with this segment of code too ?LOL
[03:33] <mebaran151> what is the best distro for a laptop
[03:33] <mebaran151> is Ubuntu too hard to get ACPI to run on
[03:33] <jevidl> mebaran151: ubuntu.. I had great luck with it "just working"
[03:33] <mebaran151> cool
[03:33] <mebaran151> I have a dell 8600
[03:34] <mebaran151> Pentium M
[03:34] <mseney> monkey89, ahh thanks :)
[03:34] <monkey89> linux is linux is linux, if acpi works on one it shouldn't be too bad to get on another
[03:34] <mebaran151> my wireless card is a dell
[03:34] <monkey89> mseney, no problem, it had been bothering me as well :)
[03:34] <monkey89> mebaran151, will probably need ndiswrapper
[03:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:34] <mebaran151> I figured that
[03:34] <mebaran151> where in heck am I going to get Dell drivers
[03:34] <monkey89> nothing we can do, broadcom doesn't release it
[03:34] <monkey89> its not dell, really
[03:34] <mebaran151> everybody knows dell is just against giving driver cds
[03:34] <mebaran151> stupid resotre disk
[03:35] <mebaran151> oh it is a broadcom
[03:35] <jevidl> I have libjpeg.so on the system, but it was part of java. can I copy that to somewhere else on my system so that steghide's ./configure will see it?
[03:35] <mebaran151> cool
[03:35] <mebaran151> anybody know if the wiki has anything on it
[03:35] <monkey89> mebaran151, broadcom is the company that will  not release specs for someone to make a linux driver for the card
[03:35] <NetwrkMonkey> Dell is the evil empire
[03:35] <monkey89> and there should be something on ndis/ubuntu somewhere
[03:35] <NetwrkMonkey> they are in cahoots with bill gates and GW to fsck up the world
[03:35] <monkey89> i've seen it before (but now that i have a rt2500, im happy with a gpl wireless g driver that actually works :D)
[03:36] <jeavis> Hey where can I check what software offer ubuntu.
[03:36] <mebaran151> oh Dell aint so bad
[03:36] <Pluk> jeavis, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[03:36] <mebaran151> I would give it on a 1 - Hell a 6
[03:36] <Pluk> not a official sire though
[03:36] <Pluk> site*
[03:39] <jevidl> dang it... why can't steghides ./configure find libjpeg.so?? this is driving me nuts
[03:40] <jeavis> Pluk: Thank you
[03:40] <jeavis> Pluck:mmmmmmmmmmmmmm ubuntu dont have mysql server 5
[03:40] <jba> jevidl, install the jpeg-dev lib whatever it is called
[03:41] <edlang> ah hmm, the job went through.
[03:41] <jevidl> jba: ok, it is in the jpeg-dev?
[03:41] <mebaran151> is ndiswrapper in the repos
[03:41] <jba> whatever apt package installed libjpeg.so (not sure what it's called) there will be another package with the smae name but a -dev on the end
[03:42] <jba> install that and configure should find the .so file
[03:42] <jevidl> jba: that makes somewhat more sense... I tried the www.ijb.org site and compiled theirs, which is what steghide suggested, but it didn't like it. I will try libjpeg-dev
[03:43] <jevidl> jba: thank you! only two more to get now :)
[03:43] <jba> jevidl, it is a pattern
[03:44] <jevidl> jba: yep
[03:44] <jba> anytime ./configure complains about not finding a .so file chances are you didn't install the -dev package
[03:44] <jba> makes sense, standard package for standard use, -dev package for developing stuff with it
[03:44] <jevidl> jba: just new to the whole compiling my own software... this helps a lot
[03:44] <jevidl> thanks
[03:44] <darmou> I'm having trouble installing plone on warty.
[03:45] <darmou> It can't seem to install python2.2-xmlbase
[03:45] <jevidl> darmou: what's plone again
[03:45] <jevidl> ?
[03:45] <darmou> plone is a cms based on zope
[03:45] <darmou> cms=content managfement system
[03:45] <jevidl> darmou: that's right. thanks
[03:46] <darmou> If you look at the ubuntu site they are using plone
[03:46] <jevidl> darmou: I just knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't place where
[03:46] <jevidl> yeah
[03:46] <pyrohotdog> Is there a way to crank my volume up?!?!
[03:46] <pyrohotdog> I'm using Juk and it's way too quiet....
[03:46] <pyrohotdog> even at full volume.
[03:46] <jevidl> jba: thanks agian, gotta go!
[03:47] <regeya> pyrohotdog: kmix
[03:47] <mebaran151> pyrohotdog, max your speakers
[03:47] <gangalino> darmou: I got plone running on warty
[03:48] <darmou> what did you do to get it to work?
[03:48] <regeya> it's sort of funny to look at the source code for redhat-artwork, especially in the kde stuff
[03:48] <dale_gribbl1> evening all
[03:48] <pyrohotdog> I'm trying to avoid maxing my speakers, 'cause it hums and gets static and stuff.
[03:48] <gangalino> darmou: trying to remember, I think it took some updates
[03:49] <regeya> if you ever marvelled at the poor quality of kde on fc, and wondered why, it's easy to tell from the source comments in redhat-artwork that there seems to be an institutional hate for all things qt
[03:49] <gangalino> darmou: I'm on python 2.3 right now
[03:50] <pyrohotdog> Kmix isn't affecting anything....
[03:50] <regeya> yikes!  I make a disparaging ocmment about redhat, and in walks a north carolinian.
[03:51] <dbjh> can i see windows media playe in ubuntu
[03:51] <tritium> hi crimsun.  Short of removing esound entirely, how can I prevent esd from running on user login?  Multimedia Systems Selector has already been used to select ALSA
[03:51] <linuxn00b> gotta Q what does ubuntu use for dhcp?? cause I couldnt killall dhcpcd
[03:51] <dbjh> i wamt to have windows mwdia playet
[03:52] <Pluk> tritium, in administration or preferences >sound you can unselect sound-server
[03:52] <tritium> Pluk, yeah, did that too :)
[03:52] <darmou> I've got python2.3 installed too but that does not seem to help the plone package zope-cmfplone seems broken big time:(
[03:52] <dale_gribbl1> i'm trying to install 4.10 X64, and i keep getting a "debootstrap program exited with an error" (return value 2) error
[03:52] <Zugot> anyone here use any type of  change management systems?
[03:52] <tritium> And i saved the session on logout as well
[03:52] <Pluk> hmmm normally hould be enough
[03:53] <tritium> yeah, you would think.  I'll figure it out.  I am running mythtv, and can't have esd running.
[03:54] <gangalino> I think in the end, I got it working from synaptic
[03:54] <gangalino> darmou: are you trying to install it from synaptic? I'm on Warty, btw
[03:54] <darmou> no from the command line
[03:54] <darmou> ok I'll try that thanks
[03:56] <darmou> I'm getting the same problem with synaptic:(
[03:59] <Br34ch> Heh.. stupid question - in irssi, suppose, os even a gaim session window.. how can a window be . . . high-lighted (kinda like in win..) :s
[03:59] <Br34ch> or*
[03:59] <Br34ch> Or any way of notification..
[03:59] <Br34ch> Of new messages and such, or anything
[04:01] <Br34ch> !ping
[04:02] <darmou> I've done a couple of force depends with dpkg cause it's complaining about the version of zope how ever zope2.7 package is install which it does not recognize
[04:02] <mike998> dunno Br34ch... I tend to miss some conversations because I don't get any notifications
[04:02] <mike998> and on that note... time for bed
[04:05] <dbjh> I want to see windows media player has any of you ever tried that?
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> is there a voice synth around that'll synthesize a girl's voice?
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> http://www.psci.net/darian/cfpass.wav like that
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> http://www.psci.net/darian/pwork.wav or that heh
[04:13] <neighborlee> why isn't this working:: CD insert ..nautilus loads files: right click on a *.sh file and say: open  with 'sh' ..it starts to load from the CD then it stops abruptly..any idea whats causing this ?? ;0))
[04:14] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, permissions ?
[04:14] <neighborlee> LinuxJones,nope
[04:14] <Atrophy> Hey out there... I could use some help on trying to get my TV card working under Linux
[04:14] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, this is  install of a commmercial game
[04:14] <Atrophy> anybody up to it?
[04:14] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, ie: ut2k45
[04:14] <neighborlee> dain
[04:15] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, LOL..ut2k4 ;-)heh
[04:15] <neighborlee> Atrophy, I dont own one .sorry ;(
[04:15] <neighborlee> wish I did though ;-))
[04:15] <Atrophy> lol
[04:15] <Atrophy> mine's an ATI All In Wonder 7500...
[04:15] <neighborlee> yeah friend had one
[04:15] <neighborlee> nice cards overall
[04:16] <Atrophy> and apparently getting the TV card to work under Linux is the holy grail of desktop computing...
[04:16] <neighborlee> lol
[04:16] <neighborlee> well
[04:16] <neighborlee> i'd be happy if my dain cam worked ;(
[04:16] <neighborlee> but its too old and never was very supporteed in linux..
[04:16] <neighborlee> its a intel create and share and has never worked here
[04:16] <Atrophy> and I installed Mandrake 9.2 recently because I heard that they had a .rpm of the GATOS drivers that supposedly make it work
[04:17] <neighborlee> mdk is getting really greedy these days...
[04:17] <Atrophy> and both the RPMs installed just fine but it still doesn't work :-(
[04:17] <neighborlee> but then thats getting a popular trend in distros it seems...
[04:17] <Atrophy> but before that I had ubuntu which is why I'm in here...
[04:17] <Atrophy> cause you guys are nice unlike most linux peoples
[04:17] <neighborlee> except for ubuntu..gotta love ubuntu~
[04:17] <neighborlee> Atrophy, why thx!!
[04:18] <Atrophy> lol no problems
[04:18] <Atrophy> problem
[04:18] <neighborlee> ubuntu is heading distrowatch.org list ( one month wize it IS a the top and 6 mo wize its climbing FAST) and I couldn't be more happy about it
[04:18] <Atrophy> I wish I could type...
[04:18] <neighborlee> heh np
[04:19] <Atrophy> that too...
[04:19] <Atrophy> anyways... so NOBODY in here has dealt with the GATOS drivers?
[04:20] <[Aura] kingwanja|> hi there , i put my live cd in but it did work
[04:21] <[Aura] kingwanja|> did not *
[04:21] <linuxn00b> so what does ubuntu use for DHCP? I really need to know
[04:21] <nixman> LinuxJones: ping
[04:22] <SiRrUs> goodevening gentlemen
[04:22] <Atrophy> welcome SiRrUs
[04:23] <Atrophy> Has anyone else heard of GATOS?  Going once... going twice...
[04:23] <linuxn00b> anyone know?
[04:23] <SiRrUs> what is going on tonight in the land of Ubuntu
[04:23] <Atrophy> Linuxn00b wants to know some stuff and I want to know some other stuff ;-)
[04:23] <monkey89> Atrophy, yeah
[04:24] <monkey89> project for getting the all in wonders to work
[04:24] <[Aura] kingwanja|> good job ive not given these 100 cds out to people if the live cd wont load on my system
[04:24] <Thynis> ok...lol... someone make my day :)
[04:24] <SiRrUs> you have 100 live cds?
[04:24] <Atrophy> ok have you had any experience trying to make it work monkey89?
[04:24] <Thynis> Is anyone in here running ubuntu on an ibook G4 1Gig
[04:24] <monkey89> Atrophy, not personally, all I've used was the ati remote driver from their project
[04:24] <monkey89> sorry
[04:25] <Atrophy> basically I installed the two GATOS rpms and they said they installed right but TV still doesn't work
[04:25] <Atrophy> and I'm a near-total linux n00b so I have no idea if/how I need to do any extra tweaking to make them work
[04:26] <Atrophy> /sbin/lsmod lists something that I *think* is them so it should be working...
[04:26] <Thynis> anybody?
[04:26] <SiRrUs> Atrophy are you using ubuntu?
[04:26] <Thynis> I just have a few questions... :)
[04:27] <Elsidox> im having werid audio issues. I can play mp3s but when I try to fast forward or skip a track I get a read/write error. Can anyone help?
[04:27] <LinuxJones> nixman, I am too drunk to offer any real help ATM :(
[04:27] <[Aura] kingwanja|> 100 live cds with full install cds also
[04:27] <Atrophy> I was but I installed Mandrake so I could get the GATOS packages
[04:27] <Atrophy> cause I have no idea what to do with the files available from the GATOS site
[04:27] <linuxn00b> dso no one know what ubuntu uses for dhcp :/
[04:27] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ive just tried to install the live cd but it hangs near the end
[04:27] <SiRrUs> Atrophy ubuntu has the Gatos packages
[04:27] <Atrophy> sorry linuxn00b I don't
[04:28] <SiRrUs> ATI All-in-Wonder TV capture software
[04:28] <SiRrUs> The General ATI TV and Overlay Software (GATOS) suite for
[04:28] <SiRrUs> capturing video.  This package does not require kernel
[04:28] <SiRrUs> patches, and includes:
[04:28] <linuxn00b> ok
[04:28] <SiRrUs> oops sorry 4 lines
[04:28] <Thynis> Will ubuntu run on ibook?
[04:28] <JDahl> [Aura] kingwanja|, try booting using different expert options
[04:28] <Atrophy> does it?  Ok, well then that sucks cause it didn't work under ubuntu either
[04:28] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ermm ok
[04:28] <Atrophy> umm is that only for hoary?
[04:28] <SiRrUs> Atrophy did you install the ubuntu packages
[04:28] <Atrophy> yeah I have a warty disc which I immediately updated everything using the hoary repositories
[04:29] <Atrophy> and tv still didn't work so I went to Mandrake cause I had heard that they had RPMs of the GATOS packages
[04:29] <Atrophy> and also cause I like KDE/Enlightenment
[04:29] <SiRrUs> but did you specifically install the gatos packages there are three of them
[04:29] <Atrophy> no I didn't see them on the package lists
[04:30] <SiRrUs> there in synaptic
[04:30] <Atrophy> are they under multiverse?
[04:30] <Atrophy> allright I'll give ubuntu another shot...
[04:31] <Atrophy> I don't wanna bother upgrading that much again though
[04:31] <Atrophy> where to get a hoary disc?
[04:31] <SiRrUs> Thats where the fun is
[04:31] <monkey89> Atrophy, see topic, but change array-4 to array-5
[04:31] <Thynis> I'll give Ubuntu a shot if someone will answer my simple questions
[04:31] <SiRrUs> Atrophy http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary
[04:32] <Atrophy> thanx
[04:32] <Atrophy> and go with current or 4?
[04:32] <LinuxJones> Thynis, shoot
[04:33] <Thynis> I was just trying to figure out if Ubuntu will "Really" work on an iBook G4 1GHz
[04:33] <Thynis> I've tried gentoo... no good
[04:33] <Atrophy> btw if any of you have an old computer out there waiting to try a new distro, you should check out MEPIS
[04:33] <Thynis> I even bought yellowdog... bastards stole my money lol
[04:34] <Atrophy> it comes with all kinds of non-free stuff, like a good jre and codecs... all preinstalled
[04:34] <yojimbo> Thynis: your definition of "Really" is ... ?
[04:34] <Thynis> And then tonight after giving up months ago I stumble upon ubuntu.. by complete accident which could be a sign
[04:34] <Atrophy> it's default theme is even uglier than ubuntu's tho (lol sorry no offense)
[04:34] <lavigj> hey guys, anyone adept at solving compile errors?
[04:34] <Thynis> well with gentoo I had absoloutly no sound... and very little hw support
[04:34] <Thynis> and with yellow dog I had no sound and could only run in 16 bit
[04:35] <CarlK2> looking for theams or someting to dress up warty cuz this laptop is going to school tomorrow
[04:35] <neighborlee> Thynis, gentoo is too much work for too little gain imo
[04:35] <Thynis> yeah I haven't touched gentoo since summertime :)
[04:35] <Atrophy> CarlK2... go to GNOME's site
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> Atrophy, lol
[04:35] <CarlK2> Atrophy, thanks
[04:35] <Thynis> I beat the disk very very hard lol
[04:35] <Atrophy> it's got buttloads of themes
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> MEPIS is pretty sweet
[04:35] <CarlK2> neighborlee, agreed with your gentoo coment
[04:35] <lavigj> neighborlee: it is a lot of work, but I really liked portage. I do like ubuntu a lot though
[04:35] <neighborlee> nomasteryoda, to hell with mepis
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> i like ubuntu too
[04:36] <Atrophy> lol
[04:36] <neighborlee> CarlK, thx
[04:36] <Atrophy> why?
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> and sue
[04:36] <neighborlee> nomasteryoda, thx
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> suse
[04:36] <neighborlee> heh ..sue
[04:36] <Atrophy> Why to hell with MEPIS and SUSE?
[04:36] <yojimbo> Thynis: warty works ok on my G4 iMac ... graphics took a little hacking, but got there. Audio was OK. Hoary should be better ... you might prefer to wait for the hoary release?
[04:36] <neighborlee> long story
[04:36] <Thynis> I had a little bit of faith in yellowdog but after the install managed to find my graphics card the X couldn't
[04:36] <Atrophy> it's cause they're spelled in all caps, isn't it?
[04:36] <Thynis> ok I might try warty out... just to get the feel for it and kinda start over with hoary
[04:37] <Thynis> when is the possible release date for hoary?
[04:37] <yojimbo> Atrophy: SuSE is the correct casing.
[04:37] <SiRrUs> Thynis hoary is out and works pretty good
[04:37] <Thynis> ahhhhh... so it is out
[04:37] <yojimbo> Thynis: Hoary *is* released in April :-) You can get a pre-release now, though.
[04:37] <SiRrUs> final is scheduled for April
[04:37] <Thynis> is there any problems with it accepted the ati 9200?
[04:37] <Thynis> that's where my main probs have been at (my graphics card)
[04:38] <linuxn00b> I found out :d ubuntu uses dhclient for dhcp :D:D
[04:38] <subterrific> does anyone know how to change the background color used when the gnome-session splash screen is shown?
[04:38] <Atrophy> yoji... it WAS SuSE
[04:38] <Atrophy> now it's all caps
[04:38] <subterrific> i've changed every setting i can find, and it is still brown :(
[04:38] <CarlK2> um, what is gnomes site?
[04:38] <subterrific> www.gnome.org
[04:38] <lavigj> has anyone managed to compile steghide from scratch?
[04:38] <CarlK2> thaks...
[04:38] <Atrophy> I dunno why SUSE went to all caps... I liked the bizarre undercase u for no reason
[04:38] <yojimbo> Atrophy: I see .. the graphic logo still has a small U :-) though.
[04:39] <Atrophy> and the bucking of the whole penguin trend to go with the chameleon LOL
[04:39] <rubixXx> what library(package) is zlib in
[04:39] <Atrophy> but then again I really like ubuntu for it's sexual innuendo in release codenames...
[04:39] <Quest-Master> Haha. XD
[04:39] <Atrophy> I'm not really sure if I want to install anything called "warty" LOL
[04:40] <Thynis> ok last question from me for the night before I dive into this project.... I can dual boot between OS X and Ubuntu correct...
[04:40] <Quest-Master> Hoary too.. :P
[04:40] <yojimbo> Thynis: ati 9200 should be OK, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards/view?searchterm=ati%209200
[04:40] <Thynis> may sound like a stupid question but wanna be positive
[04:40] <Quest-Master> Thynis: Correct.
[04:41] <httpdss> im using ruby 1.8 and wanted to know where is gdk_pixbuf2.rb installed... or which package contains that file. i installed libgdk-pixbuf2 and libgdk-pixbuf2-ruby but its not there :-S
[04:41] <yojimbo> Thynis, yes, dual booting works OK. With warty you might not get it set up automatically, so research how to hack grub files first!
[04:41] <[Aura] kingwanja|> my live cd isnt loading and it stops inthe same place - Unmount:/dev not found ,starting pcmcia, enabling hotplug manager
[04:41] <yojimbo> but Hoary should be fine, afaik
[04:41] <Thynis> awesome... where can I get a copy of hoary at... lol... I'm so excited about this!
[04:41] <Thynis> I'm almost shaking lol
[04:42] <yojimbo> Thynis: check the topic :-)
[04:42] <Thynis> ok thanks! :) thanks for everything good to see you can wonder into a place and be welcomed without a bunch of smart remarks!
[04:42] <lavigj> ok, a more direct question about compiling. I am having an issue with libtool, and I need to define --tag= but I have no idea what to put there. any suggestions?
[04:43] <[Aura] kingwanja|> I also had a message saying .. unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000014
[04:43] <httpdss> any clue to solve my prob ??
[04:44] <[Aura] kingwanja|> any ideas anyone ?
[04:45] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i tried normal unbutu also expert and
[04:45] <[Aura] kingwanja|> so on
[04:45] <Thynis> Thanks again all! Sure I'll see you all again!
[04:45] <Atrophy> Ok SiRrUs... do the GATOS drivers get installed by default, or must I Synaptic them?
[04:46] <SiRrUs> Atrophy you need to install them
[04:47] <Atrophy> ok
[04:47] <lavigj> does anyone know much about libtool, or where I can go to find it? the libtool manual is too above my head at this point
[04:47] <SiRrUs> lavigj you have installed it?
[04:47] <Atrophy> Good lord hoary is a slow download... I was getting 150-200kbps on the torrent for warty
[04:47] <linuxn00b> anyone know anything about the dhcp3-server config file?
[04:47] <Atrophy> but only 48 for hoary
[04:48] <lavigj> SiRrUs: well, it is installed, because I can call it. I am trying to compile steghide, and it is choking on that. I saw one post that said I need to configure libtool --mode=link --tag=whatever_you_need, I just have no idea what i need to put there to get things working
[04:49] <W3BMAST3R101> is it possible to install the latest and greatest gaim?
[04:49] <lavigj> W3BMAST3R101: you will probably need to compile it from scratch
[04:49] <W3BMAST3R101> *gasp*
[04:50] <lavigj> W3BMAST3R101: unless it is in unstable
[04:50] <W3BMAST3R101> well i typed in gaim for the packages list thinger and i only came out with 1.0
[04:50] <geppy> Are there any Linux flashplayers that don't have sync problems?
[04:50] <DAC1138> i have a networking question. if i plug my (ubuntu warty) laptop into a network with a bunch of different computers, each within different workgroups, will linux autodetect these workgroups?
[04:50] <zenrox> W3BMAST3R101,  you using hoary
[04:50] <Atrophy> webmaster101: change your sources to include universe and multiverse
[04:50] <fzZzy> how can I tell what pid is using the alsa default device? mythtv complains about "Device or resource busy"
[04:50] <DAC1138> like, will i need to edit samba or something?
[04:50] <lavigj> W3BMAST3R101: I have 1.1.0 on warty. did you add extra repositories?
[04:51] <geppy> fzzzy: lsof /dev/snd/*
[04:51] <zenrox> W3BMAST3R101,  also too 1.1.3 of gaim ant in hoary yet so youd have to compile it your self
[04:51] <W3BMAST3R101> yeah i followed the tutorial
[04:51] <lavigj> geppy: let me know if you find one :)
[04:51] <geppy> lavigj:  ha!
[04:51] <fzZzy> geppy: thanks. There was no output though
[04:51] <lavigj> geppy: I tried both in synaptics, one was fast one was slow
[04:51] <lavigj> SiRrUs: any suggestions?
[04:51] <geppy> lavigj:  I'm thinking about just installing the Windows version in WINE.  It's sad that the Windows version would work better than the Linux version.
[04:51] <Atrophy> hey has anyone gotten Enlightenment to work right under ubuntu?
[04:52] <SiRrUs> lavigj nope sorry
[04:52] <W3BMAST3R101> how can i compile gaim from source?
[04:52] <Atrophy> geppy... get used to disappointment
[04:52] <lavigj> geppy: what's more sad is that it is version *7* of the linux one :)
[04:52] <geppy> lavigj:  I don't understand how Macromedia can half-ass something that makes or breaks their na,e
[04:52] <geppy> Atrophy: hahaha
[04:52] <Atrophy> the windoze version of everything works better
[04:52] <geppy> lavigj:  Yeah, and that they _claimed_ that it was better.  This is no better than 5
[04:52] <Atrophy> because linux is like me... they never finish a project
[04:52] <W3BMAST3R101> Atrophy: not bzflag
[04:52] <geppy> Atrophy:  heh... only for ports, and not all ports
[04:52] <W3BMAST3R101> its faster under linux
[04:52] <lavigj> geppy: well, I have read a lot of forum posts that say it works fine
[04:52] <geppy> Atrophy:  doom3 kicks Windows ass on Linux. =)
[04:53] <Atrophy> lol
[04:53] <geppy> lavigj:  The flashplayer?  Only for people that can't tell what's in sync...
[04:53] <Atrophy> speaking of which
[04:53] <lavigj> geppy: although, some of the DX9 eyecandy is pretty nice
[04:53] <lavigj> geppy: I didn't see it in OpenGL mode
[04:53] <Atrophy> the flash plugin for firefox doesn't display my homepage right under linux :-(
[04:53] <Atrophy> only under windoze
[04:53] <linuxn00b> I get this error when I ifuup eth1 "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[04:53] <linuxn00b>     SET failed on device eth1 ; Bad address.
[04:53] <linuxn00b> " but I don't have wireless :s
[04:53] <zenrox> geppy,  so does q3 and ut 2k3 and 4
[04:53] <geppy> lavigj:  Doom3?  It's all OpenGL.
[04:53] <geppy> zenrox:  Right, I'm just choosing one example.
[04:54] <W3BMAST3R101> Can any one tell me the command to compile something for ubuntu? saay Gaim 1.1.3?
[04:54] <geppy> zenrox:  Same with LoMS, etc.
[04:54] <fzZzy> geppy: it was esd and it had /dev/dsp open
[04:54] <lavigj> geppy: in windows it will utilize DX9 extensions, at least afaik
[04:54] <httpdss> why doesnt libgdk-pixbuf2-ruby contain the file gdk_pixbuf2.rb ?????
[04:54] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101 new to linux?
[04:54] <zenrox> W3BMAST3R101,  read gaim.sf.net on how to compile it
[04:54] <W3BMAST3R101> To ubuntu i was on Gentoo prior
[04:54] <geppy> lavigj:  I'm pretty sure that it's _all_ OpenGL, but I can see how they might use Direct _Input_?
[04:54] <zenrox> thay will tell you what to get
[04:54] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101: theres usually an INSTALL file, or a README file.
[04:54] <Atrophy> omg did you actually just tell him to rtfm?!  LOL you should be ashamed of yourselves
[04:54] <zenrox> gepp loms??
[04:54] <W3BMAST3R101> ahh ok
[04:54] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101 you can compile gaim form source or apt-get it
[04:55] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101 usually apt-get is best
[04:55] <W3BMAST3R101> apt-get it isint there is it?
[04:55] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101 try "sudo apt-get install gaim"
[04:55] <geppy> webmaster101:  apt-get build is pretty nice.
[04:55] <zenrox> W3BMAST3R101,  ya but its not the lates and greatest
[04:55] <Atrophy> although I work at tech support and I often which I could just scream "RTFM!" into the phone and hang up
[04:55] <Atrophy> *wish
[04:55] <DAC1138> im not even in linux, lol. im in windows xp, need to reinstall ubuntu
[04:55] <Atrophy> lol I'm on a kvm with one xp box and one Mandrake box
[04:56] <lavigj> geppy: I am probably wrong then...
[04:56] <Atrophy> I keep switching back and forth
[04:56] <geppy> Has Macromedia ever followed through with their hints of porting MX to Linux?
[04:56] <lavigj> geppy: know as much about compiling as you do doom3? ;)
[04:56] <geppy> lavigj: hahahahaha =)
[04:56] <zenrox> lol
[04:56] <Atrophy> lol geppy
[04:56] <lavigj> geppy: unfortunately, I am serious. I am having some big issues getting this program compiled
[04:56] <DAC1138> geppy yeah
[04:56] <DAC1138> geppy woks fine in wine and crossover office
[04:56] <Atrophy> The day Macromedia keeps a promise is the day pigs fly...
[04:57] <geppy> DAC1138: MX?  I'm talking about the native port that they'd mentioned some time ago.
[04:57] <zenrox> DAC1138,  what do that when you can install doom3 nativly
[04:57] <helio7> W3BMAST3R101: I always forget the compile commands and I usually just google the terms (tar ./configure make install) and one of the first hits is usually the same way to compile/install anything from tarball (if you have the tarball)
[04:57] <DAC1138> Atrophy what da ya know, they ship pig via Herculese ariplanes, lol
[04:57] <geppy> Atrophy:  heh... more than that'll go down on the day that MAcromedia keeps a promise
[04:57] <Atrophy> lol
[04:57] <W3BMAST3R101> alright thnx
[04:57] <ebone> well, this puppy is just kicking along.
[04:57] <DAC1138> geppy they wanted to make a wine compatible version and see how well it sold then, and if it did well, they would start programming a native linux port
[04:57] <Atrophy> it's like one of the signs of the Apocolypse or something...
[04:58] <ebone> 998 packages updated, 108 new.
[04:58] <geppy> DAC1138:  Oh, okay.
[04:58] <DAC1138> but forget macromedia, i want adobe premiere and after effects!
[04:58] <Atrophy> man there are NO hoary sources out there LOL
[04:58] <Atrophy> there's 14... warty had 103...
[04:58] <Atrophy> lol
[04:58] <helio7> torrents Atrophy?
[04:58] <Atrophy> yeah
[04:59] <helio7> let me start azureus up lol
[04:59] <Atrophy> heheheh
[04:59] <DAC1138> does anyone know the real reason microsoft started over longhorn from scratch?
[04:59] <geppy> DAC1138:  Because NT sucks?
[04:59] <Atrophy> woohoo!!!  I have 15!  Do I hear 16?  Going once... going twice...
[04:59] <ebone> what do you mean ?
[04:59] <DAC1138> could it be they're creating a new executable file format? something WINE wont be able to run?
[04:59] <ebone> when you say scratch ...
[04:59] <geppy> DAC1138:  They have the time and the money;  a re-write can only help them.
[04:59] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ubuntu doesnt work as live cd
[04:59] <geppy> ebone:  starting over
[04:59] <Atrophy> D00d... geppy... XP roxx0rz!
[04:59] <johnnybezak> do you guys actually use wine
[04:59] <DAC1138> geppy nah, they started fresh, no NT
[04:59] <ebone> you mean, scratch rom a while back, right ...
[04:59] <geppy> Atrophy: hahaha
[05:00] <geppy> DAC1138:  That's what I was saying;  they started over because NT sucks.
[05:00] <ebone> they didnt just toss the towel in again and start from scratch last couple of days, right ?
[05:00] <Atrophy> seriously... I was as pleasantly suprised by XP as I was by OS X
[05:00] <DAC1138> geppy ah. well, they started longhorn, and just recently they scrapped the old longhorn, and are staring all over
[05:00] <ebone> shoot ... i never upgraded from 2000
[05:00] <Atrophy> lol
[05:00] <ebone> XP sort of got on my nerves.
[05:00] <geppy> Atrophy:  I wasn't pleasantly surprised enough;  I still prefer 2k over XP
[05:00] <Atrophy> I have several copies of NT 4 if anyone wants them LOL
[05:00] <ebone> geppy: yeah, me too.
[05:00] <[Aura] kingwanja|> windows work , ubuntu doesnt ... windows 1 - linux 0
[05:01] <Atrophy> heheheh
[05:01] <DAC1138> im thinking they started over again becuase they had the intentions to carry over the old executable file format, im thinking they want something newer, something wine wont run, and something samba cant help, something that wont let it talk to linux machines
[05:01] <ebone> i have to admit sort of being excited by Longhorn though ....
[05:01] <geppy> ebone:  I was, too, until the took out all of the cool features.
[05:01] <ebone> DAC1138: that may be part of it.
[05:01] <Atrophy> well I like to put it this way... Linux works really well "in theory"
[05:01] <JDahl> [Aura] kingwanja|, you're saying your Windows Live CD is better than the Ubuntu one?
[05:01] <DAC1138> ebone same here, im excited, but NOTHING they do will ever turn me away from linux or mac os
[05:01] <geppy> ebone:  Longhorn is now going to be XP... with another name.  Just like every other Windows release.
[05:01] <helio7> Allright I've been having a real hard time getting XFree86 reconfigured on a machine I had in my classroom that was working beautifully but just bonked out X-less one day on boot.  Does anyone out there think I might stand a chance of recovering X by upgrading it from Warty to Hoary?
[05:02] <LinuxJones> Atrophy, no Linux works really well !!
[05:02] <johnnybezak> DAC1138: i doubt breaking compatibility is the reason theyre developing a new OS
[05:02] <ebone> geppy: yeah ... you see that is b.s. ... they better have some big changes ...
[05:02] <ebone> i'm going to be miffed otherwise.
[05:02] <DAC1138> M$ was also redoing a filesystem, something XML based with an XML index for an even fast filesystem
[05:02] <Atrophy> linuxjones... it might work better if I knew what I was doing
[05:02] <Atrophy> but I don't LOL
[05:02] <[Aura] kingwanja|> im saying that this ubuntu live cd does not work ie the 10 ive tried from this huge pile that has been sent to me in the post
[05:02] <LinuxJones> Atrophy, that's the best part :)
[05:02] <lavigj> DAC1138: if you are talking about WinFS, the last I knew it was being taken out of longhorn
[05:03] <Atrophy> hehehe
[05:03] <ebone> I'm doing something right now you will never do on a MS system ....
[05:03] <ebone> apt-get dist-upgrade.
[05:03] <ebone> :)
[05:03] <[Aura] kingwanja|> but cd in , boot from cd and it does load
[05:03] <Atrophy> lol
[05:03] <Atrophy> and the difference between that and windoze update is...?
[05:03] <[Aura] kingwanja|> I also had a message saying .. unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000014
[05:03] <DAC1138> MS should just buy OSX from apple, since apple claims to be a hardware company
[05:03] <ubuntu2u> when in the terminal what do i type to install wine?
[05:03] <ebone> Atrophy: dist-upgrade works forever ....
[05:03] <JDahl> [Aura] kingwanja|, did you try booting with different expert options (like I told you)? Otherwise I fear you have a long night ahead of you, depending on how many live CDs you have
[05:04] <ebone> it's not just security updates.
[05:04] <DAC1138> ubuntu2u you ever use apt-get before?
[05:04] <ebone> it's like jumping from 2000 to XP ...
[05:04] <Atrophy> Apple isn't a hardware company... it's an EXPENSIVE hardware company LOL
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> dac1138 yes
[05:04] <DAC1138> Atrophy but a damn good one at that
[05:04] <[Aura] kingwanja|> expert modes like do you have a normal keyboard , yes i do
[05:04] <DAC1138> ubuntu2u "sudo apt-get install wine"
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> dac1138 would i type sudo apt-get install wine
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> ok thanks
[05:04] <Atrophy> yes, Apple stuff r0xx0rz if you have the dough
[05:05] <Atrophy> but I don't... so I'll just keep my blueberry Rev D iMac LOL
[05:05] <Atrophy> which I recently purchased for $50
[05:05] <DAC1138> i really want a powerbook, but cant afford it. im going to college for video production, and would like something unix based, since im a linux freak
[05:05] <helio7> oh that reminds me is there an apt-get option to search what's available if you don't know the exact name (i realize it's easy in synaptic but wondered if it was command line friendly as well)
[05:05] <[Aura] kingwanja|> omg , if i was to give all these lovely cds out to people and they came to me with the problems , i would have to be employed by ubuntu or whoever
[05:05] <DAC1138> no good video editing packages for linux, only cinelerra, and i need final cut pro/livetype/after effect type apps
[05:06] <DAC1138> helio7 synaptic
[05:06] <billytwowilly> any idea when the new ati drivers 9.10.19 will be in hoary?
[05:06] <JonasNZ> lol i handed out my entire set of 500 CD's in one day
[05:06] <[Aura] kingwanja|> I will tell them they make great tea mats
[05:06] <DAC1138> helio7 or "sudo apt-cache search namehere" and you can just guess the name, or the first few letters and use the * command
[05:06] <helio7> JonasNZ: wow who'd you hand them out to?
[05:06] <Atrophy> yeah but Synaptic is oh so pretty!
[05:07] <helio7> DAC1138: that's what I was wondering about thanks
[05:07] <zenrox> wahts a good way to convert a .nrg in to iso with out haveing to try to burn a .nrg file
[05:07] <JonasNZ> people who are interested in linux, friend who want to use linux etc.. ppl at school, and stuff
[05:07] <[Aura] kingwanja|> JonasNZ you handed them all out :o
[05:07] <JonasNZ> i might need more next time :P
[05:07] <DAC1138> got a question, anyone here familiar with pcmcia firewire cards?
[05:07] <Atrophy> zenrox... there's a freeware app for that at least for windoze
[05:07] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well mine dont work
[05:07] <JonasNZ> but i wont up it till a can get grub working
[05:08] <Atrophy> but I'm not sure about one for linux
[05:08] <Atrophy> or you can use Nero
[05:08] <JonasNZ> it refuses to install on my hd
[05:08] <zenrox> Atrophy,  ya i i dont have windows to burn or conver it
[05:08] <ebone> i just went from warty to hoary.
[05:08] <Atrophy> lol...
[05:08] <lavigj> anyone good with compiling and libtool? or how to patch source code...
[05:08] <Atrophy> then I commend you on your ability to resist temptation
[05:08] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i have 9600pro graphics and xp2200 512mb ram and 2 hdd`s
[05:08] <zenrox> Atrophy,  lol
[05:09] <[Aura] kingwanja|> and the live cd wont work :s
[05:09] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|,  thats casue of you vid card
[05:09] <[Aura] kingwanja|> :o
[05:09] <rambo> what are some good themes for fluxbox?
[05:09] <lavigj> heck, if someone can tell me how to apply a patch or edit the sourceode for the patch, that would be an awesome help
[05:09] <Atrophy> zenrox... umm I dunno... there has to be a conversion utility somewhere
[05:09] <zenrox> thay only have the free drivers for you vid card
[05:09] <DAC1138> rambo i like the milk theme
[05:10] <[Aura] kingwanja|> so it wont work then :s
[05:10] <zenrox> Atrophy,  just thought some one might know so i dont have to look to had for it
[05:10] <Atrophy> oic LOL
[05:10] <DAC1138> rambo simple, easy on the eyes, and professional looking
[05:10] <Atrophy> laziness... the mark of a true programmer...
[05:10] <zenrox> lol
[05:10] <Atrophy> I see that you are a fellow code monkey ;-)
[05:10] <rambo> ok, let me download it
[05:10] <[Aura] kingwanja|> hang on a min , slax worked
[05:10] <adapt> oi e17 rules
[05:10] <lavigj> Atrophy: code monkey?
[05:11] <zenrox> Atrophy,  i dont wright just edit:)
[05:11] <Atrophy> programmer
[05:11] <JonasNZ> does any1 have any ideas about grub, it just dies when i try and install it, hangs and dies
[05:11] <[Aura] kingwanja|> so ubuntu wont work because i have a radeon 9600pro
[05:11] <Atrophy> thinkgeek.com sells code monkey shirts now... you should all pitch in and buy me one
[05:11] <lavigj> Atrophy: aye, does that mean you are one? I am having a terrible time with libtool at the moment...
[05:11] <DAC1138> hmm... milk isnt the theme name? theres a milk theme, but thats not what im talking about
[05:11] <Atrophy> me = not a linux programmer
[05:11] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|,  it will work you just need to put work in to it and ubuntu needs to be installed
[05:11] <rambo> where can i get the fluxbox milk theme?
[05:11] <Atrophy> I know very little about Linux
[05:12] <DAC1138> rambo http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/lintherbrushed/
[05:12] <lavigj> Atrophy: oh... dang it...
[05:12] <[Aura] kingwanja|> but i cant make the live cd work ?
[05:12] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|,  dont think so
[05:12] <Atrophy> lol
[05:12] <DAC1138> bbl
[05:12] <zenrox> but i can be wrong
[05:12] <[Aura] kingwanja|> slax >ubuntu
[05:12] <zenrox> Atrophy,  i found it
[05:13] <lavigj> grr... must not... admit..... defeat......
[05:13] <Atrophy> w00t
[05:13] <Atrophy> found what?
[05:13] <[Aura] kingwanja|> thatis so annoying , you coders when didnt you pit the radeon drivers in the live cd , doh!
[05:13] <zenrox> Atrophy, http://gregory.kokanosky.free.fr/v4/linux/nrg2iso.en.html
[05:13] <Atrophy> sweet
[05:13] <lavigj> I don't suppose dud is around?
[05:13] <rambo> DAC1138: where do i put the downloaded fluxbox themes?
[05:13] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|,  thats casue ati wont let them be free
[05:13] <Atrophy> Let's all have a big round of applause for zenrox!!!
[05:14] <zenrox> lol
[05:14] <Atrophy> ::clap::
[05:14] <zenrox> now time to compile it
[05:14] <Atrophy> lol maybe we popped the cork too soon?  LOL
[05:14] <[Aura] kingwanja|> zenrox then how did slax manage because their live cd works
[05:14] <Atrophy> hehehe Linux is the source of all false hopes...
[05:14] <[Aura] kingwanja|> Atrophy linux is for dummies
[05:15] <Atrophy> Aura... my All In Wonder 7500 works just fine except for the TV in/out
[05:15] <lavigj> is cvs hard to use?
[05:15] <Atrophy> javigj... yes
[05:15] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|, dont know maby thay put it in any way ubuntu dont want to break the law so thay left it out
[05:15] <[Aura] kingwanja|> yeah but thats a 7500 they are old and should be free
[05:15] <dale_gribbl1> um ok i just installed warty and i think something is wrong, i don't think it prompted me for a root password, but yet i did a user and can log in as him
[05:15] <lavigj> Atrophy: I thought you weren't a linux programmer :P
[05:16] <Atrophy> I'm not
[05:16] <Atrophy> I'm just saying that cvs is under linux and is therefore hard to use
[05:16] <Atrophy> ;-)
[05:16] <[Aura] kingwanja|> and in case my jokes are bad taste , im peed because it doesnt work and ive got a whole damn box of the things
[05:16] <lavigj> dale_gribbl1: that's because ubuntu uses sudo, instead of root account
[05:16] <zenrox> Atrophy,  and its installed and processing my nrg file
[05:16] <Atrophy> woot!!!
[05:16] <zenrox> quite fast too
[05:16] <Atrophy> sorry Aura... you can send 'em to me if you want
[05:17] <lavigj> dale_gribbl1: by default, the root account is disabled
[05:17] <dale_gribbl1> ok yeah but i didn't create a root password
[05:17] <Atrophy> basically the people you should be mad at is ATI... they can't decide if they want to support stuff under linux or not
[05:17] <zenrox> Atrophy,  is right
[05:17] <SiRrUs> [Aura] kingwanja| why not just go install slack/fedore/mandrake/suse or even windows then and quit complaining
[05:17] <lavigj> dale_gribbl1: that's because by default, root cannot login
[05:18] <Atrophy> be nice, SiRrUs... you'd be pissed too if you had 500 worthless to you CDs
[05:18] <ubuntu2u> someone teach me how to hack :D haha
[05:18] <[Aura] kingwanja|> SiRrUs good idea , thats 100 people that dont get to use ubuntu , ie failures ie dissapears
[05:18] <Atrophy> or 100...
[05:18] <Atrophy> lol
[05:18] <SiRrUs> [Aura] kingwanja| well if there all in here complaining thats probably a good thing
[05:18] <Atrophy> Aura... have you tried installing it and then upgrading the drivers?
[05:18] <Atrophy> or are you only wanting to do a liveCD?
[05:19] <zenrox> Atrophy,  and it convered just fine and the iso mousts just fine
[05:19] <Atrophy> w00t!
[05:19] <Atrophy> zenrox-1 The Forces of Evil-0
[05:19] <zenrox> hehehehe
[05:20] <Atrophy> Aura... have you tried installing it yet or are you just running a LiveCD?
[05:20] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well , first step try live cd , 2nd step install cd over mandrake , 3rd step gice cds to all of my street and let all the people know im cool and give me donations for my kindness of heart :P
[05:20] <Atrophy> lol
[05:21] <Atrophy> and how well did your install work?
[05:21] <Atrophy> can you get gnome running?
[05:21] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i cant even install it
[05:21] <[Aura] kingwanja|> it hangs at the end of the install
[05:21] <Atrophy> and does it give any kind of error output?
[05:22] <[Aura] kingwanja|> my live cd isnt loading and it stops inthe same place - Unmount:/dev not found ,starting pcmcia, enabling hotplug manager
[05:22] <[Aura] kingwanja|> its stops here
[05:22] <Atrophy> ok...
[05:22] <Atrophy> yeah I would either aquire a regular ubuntu install disc or try knoppix or something
[05:23] <Atrophy> but all I know is that it worked fine with my 7500 and it had drivers available for your hardwarez too
[05:23] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well the install disk are here
[05:23] <Atrophy> but that was my warty install disc
[05:23] <Atrophy> so I dunno about anything else
[05:23] <[Aura] kingwanja|> with the lovely live cds -_-
[05:23] <Atrophy> hmm...
[05:23] <Bandit> ( Current Time ) Time: ( 11:24 PM ) Day: ( Tuesday ) Date: ( February 22, 2005 )
[05:24] <Atrophy> No se...
[05:24] <Atrophy> try Knoppix...
[05:24] <[Aura] kingwanja|> in a nice package with 3 ppl on the cover , and one of the chicks on the cover looks sweet
[05:24] <Atrophy> Knoppix > all
[05:24] <Atrophy> lol
[05:24] <lavigj> can someone recommend a channel where I might find some compiling help? the software doesn't have a mailing list or it's own IRC channel
[05:24] <Atrophy> knoppix has saved my butt so many times...
[05:25] <lavigj> Atrophy: it's a great file recovery tool
[05:25] <FR500> hi
[05:25] <FR500> one question
[05:25] <Atrophy> indeed
[05:25] <SiRrUs> hello
[05:25] <FR500> why is that gdesklets does not start
[05:25] <[Aura] kingwanja|> its the graphics drivers -_- why didnt i get a nvidia
[05:25] <Atrophy> it's also good for pissing off the lab techs at school <evil grin>
[05:25] <FR500> i installed from synaptic
[05:26] <FR500> i click it, says starting and then dissapears
[05:26] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i like this , install the cd and make things worse
[05:26] <Atrophy> lol
[05:26] <Atrophy> don't do that lavigj
[05:27] <lavigj> [Aura] kingwanja|: well., if you install it, you can add the universe repositories and upgrade to the non-free ATI drivers
[05:27] <lavigj> Atrophy: then give me an answer to these woes!! :P
[05:27] <dale_gribbl1> yeah those are nice
[05:27] <Atrophy> yeah lavi but he can't install it
[05:27] <SiRrUs> [Aura] kingwanja| why not d/l the iso see if its your 100 disks or not
[05:27] <[Aura] kingwanja|> upgrade as in pay for drivers just to make it work :s
[05:27] <Atrophy> no they're free as in free beer but not free as in freedom
[05:27] <dale_gribbl1> you don't pay for anything
[05:28] <Atrophy> they're available for free from the ATI website or from Synaptic
[05:28] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ok but there are issues if live cd dont work
[05:28] <lavigj> [Aura] kingwanja|: they are not released under the GPL and have a restricted license. You get them free, but because of the license Ubuntu will not include them in the base distribution
[05:28] <FR500> can anyone help
[05:28] <Atrophy> this is true Aura...
[05:28] <TetrisMaster> if i was creating a partition on a disk for linux...would i need to make it "extended" or primary?
[05:28] <Atrophy> but you can make it work if you want to
[05:28] <FR500> any pointer are good for me
[05:28] <Atrophy> or you could try another distro
[05:29] <[Aura] kingwanja|> slax works
[05:29] <Atrophy> slax does work
[05:29] <Atrophy> slax is awesome
[05:29] <[Aura] kingwanja|> yes
[05:29] <SiRrUs> does slack have a live cd
[05:29] <Atrophy> yes... slax
[05:29] <[Aura] kingwanja|> slax is live cd
[05:29] <Atrophy> lol
[05:29] <[Aura] kingwanja|> but it works on here
[05:30] <Atrophy> what works on here?
[05:30] <[Aura] kingwanja|> with my 9600pro card
[05:30] <Atrophy> and where is here? lol
[05:30] <Atrophy> ok so you're wondering why slax works and ubuntu live doesn't?
[05:30] <[Aura] kingwanja|> uk cardiff
[05:30] <[Aura] kingwanja|> yes
[05:30] <SiRrUs> ( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.10-3-686-smp, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.1.902 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[05:30] <Atrophy> one of three things:
[05:30] <SiRrUs> looks good on this machine
[05:31] <Atrophy> 1: Ubuntu live doesn't like your hardware for some reason
[05:31] <Atrophy> 2: Your discs are screwed up
[05:31] <Atrophy> 3: Either 1 or 2
[05:31] <[Aura] kingwanja|> discs as in the whole case
[05:31] <Atrophy> yeah
[05:32] <Atrophy> and that happens...
[05:32] <Atrophy> those discs were just made by some d00d just like you
[05:32] <[Aura] kingwanja|> of freshly delivered smelling nice ubuntu disks
[05:32] <Bandit> [Aura] kingwanja| d/l the iso and check
[05:32] <Atrophy> if you really want to try ubuntu I would download an iso
[05:32] <Atrophy> for an install disc
[05:32] <Atrophy> because it should work with your stuff
[05:32] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well if it was done by some dude like me he must be damn rich
[05:33] <[Aura] kingwanja|> to give them away
[05:33] <[Aura] kingwanja|> in fact i dont get it
[05:33] <Atrophy> well that's why the good lord gave us donations...
[05:34] <[Aura] kingwanja|> how can i receive lots of free disks
[05:34] <Atrophy> lol
[05:34] <Atrophy> you can't...
[05:34] <[Aura] kingwanja|> let me guess , its the mormons ?
[05:34] <Atrophy> I have the list right here and you're not on it... sorry.
[05:34] <helio7> lol Atrophy
[05:35] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well i had a free delivery of tea mats then
[05:35] <Atrophy> possibly
[05:35] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, you being unreasonable
[05:35] <[Aura] kingwanja|> no
[05:35] <Atrophy> but there's no way to tell unless you're willing to download something else to compare it to
[05:35] <Atrophy> or at least download an md5 to check it against
[05:35] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i dont have a cd rw
[05:36] <Atrophy> you don't have to
[05:36] <helio7>  you can still get free disks just follow the link http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[05:36] <Atrophy> all you need is the md5 and a cd rom
[05:36] <[Aura] kingwanja|> helio7 thanks but your not helping , in fact you are , i could do with some more to hang on the wall in the bathroom
[05:36] <lavigj> once again I plea, anyone good with compiling who can give me a hand?
[05:36] <helio7> oh yeah there's a windows utility called md5summer can check the digital fingerprint to see if yours is corrupted
[05:37] <crimsun_> lavigj: sup?
[05:37] <Atrophy> anyways Aura... if you'd like to check if your disc is valid then I'll tell you how
[05:37] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, if you r rich you could burn your own cd's ??
[05:37] <[Aura] kingwanja|> disks , yes please
[05:37] <lavigj> crimsun_: I am trying to compile steghide, but I am getting a libtool error. I found a patch, but I have no idea how to apply it. I would edit the source by hand if i understood what needed to be done, or feed libtool by hand... I just don't know what to do at this point
[05:37] <Atrophy> well I gotta check one thing out first... everyone: do you have to make an .iso of the disc first to check the md5?
[05:38] <crimsun_> lavigj: what is the libtool error? use #flood if necessary.
[05:38] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well no , i waited weeks for the cds and when they come through , they dont work
[05:38] <helio7> so does anyone think that by upgrading a machine on which Warty's X-server is messed up to Hoary might possibly fix the problem with X?
[05:38] <lavigj> crimsun_: one moment, I am going to do this from scratch so that it is accurate
[05:38] <crimsun_> helio7: describe "messed up."
[05:38] <Atrophy> lol
[05:39] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i could have been the most popular guy on my street , but as the disks dont work , hmmm
[05:39] <Atrophy> lol
[05:40] <Atrophy> d00d either check the MD5 or go try something else
[05:40] <Atrophy> I'm tryin' to help but you're not wanting to help you just wanna bitch about it
[05:40] <helio7> oh crimsun, it's been a few days and I've googled and forum searched and asked questions in here... i'm looking at /var/log/XFree86.0.log right now trying to figure out exactly is going wrong, but I can't tell... as far as i'm aware I simply rebooted it one day and a perfectly beautiful ubuntu/gnome environment disappeared (and it had been rebooted daily for a couple of weeks)
[05:40] <lavigj> crimsun_: dumping it into #flood
[05:41] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, you would NEVER be the most popular guy on the street :D
[05:41] <crimsun_> helio7: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin
[05:41] <lavigj> done
[05:41] <Atrophy> hey btw KDE apps won't run under ubuntu unless I install KDE on it, correct?
[05:41] <Atrophy> and I've heard that installing KDE on ubuntu is risky at best...
[05:41] <crimsun_> Atrophy: only the necessary kde libs
[05:41] <helio7> crimsun can I do that via ssh?
[05:41] <Atrophy> which sucks cause I kinda like KDE and Enlightenment
[05:42] <helio7> crimsun because i'm not sure howto upload via lynx
[05:42] <[Aura] kingwanja|> im nice actually but if i can get donations because they are receiving them from my house , who cares as long as they give me some food money :D
[05:42] <Atrophy> not that I have anything against GNOME... I just like all of 'em ;-)
[05:42] <crimsun_> Atrophy: not at all risky.
[05:42] <Atrophy> hmm I heard that it screws up your GNOME
[05:42] <[Aura] kingwanja|> if i asked for 1 million cds , i could have been the next bill gates
[05:42] <Pluk> how can i check if an executable is compiled for i386 or i686?
[05:43] <crimsun_> helio7: curl -F "code=</var/log/XFree86.0.log" -F poster=helio7 -F parent_pid= -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php 2> /dev/null | grep helio7
[05:43] <helio7> hmm i didn't mean to spam your name crimsun_ was just trying to tab it out lol
[05:43] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, under what..donations to the poor tsunami victims ?
[05:43] <helio7> ok crimsun thanks
[05:43] <crimsun_> Atrophy: no, doesn't screw up gnome.
[05:43] <Atrophy> ok
[05:44] <[Aura] kingwanja|> no under give to your friendly neighbour rules :D
[05:44] <Atrophy> and say I were to do that... how would I switch between WMs?
[05:44] <crimsun_> Atrophy: do you mean desktop environments?
[05:44] <Atrophy> yeah
[05:45] <helio7> crimsun_ code entered... not sure if it worked looking now
[05:45] <crimsun_> Atrophy: simply choose the desktop environment you want under Session in the graphical greeter
[05:45] <lavigj> crimsun_: brb... I put that stuff in #flood
[05:45] <[Aura] kingwanja|> remember the golden rule - love thy neighbour as thy self , if i give them disks , they give me money $..$
[05:45] <crimsun_> lavigj: k
[05:45] <Atrophy> ok
[05:46] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, you sound like a gosel preacher low on cash
[05:46] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i will even give a cd to the newspapers so it shows im giving in the town and then i will take over the world }:{} mwwahahahahahahaha
[05:46] <crimsun_> lavigj: dpkg -l libtool|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[05:47] <Atrophy> Aura... come on, d00d... do you want to get ubuntu working, or do you want to take over the world?!?!
[05:47] <Atrophy> make up your mind...
[05:47] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i want to get ot working :'(
[05:47] <helio7> err I think the ethernet cable was loose... can anyone tell me the command to try and reestablish connectivity?  ifconfig something?
[05:47] <[Aura] kingwanja|> it*
[05:47] <crimsun_> helio7: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[05:48] <Atrophy> ok well then get the freakin MD5 already
[05:48] <[Aura] kingwanja|> hmmm i see linux getting big and i want to take over and monapolise it $..$
[05:48] <Atrophy> you can get it from anywhere where you can get the ISOs for the ubuntu cds
[05:48] <lavigj> crimsun_: all it put out was 1.5.6-2
[05:48] <crimsun_> helio7: doesn't appear to have pasted.
[05:48] <crimsun_> lavigj: ok.
[05:48] <[Aura] kingwanja|> md5 :s
[05:48] <[Aura] kingwanja|> what the eck is md5 got to do with it
[05:49] <Atrophy> md5...
[05:49] <crimsun_> lavigj: the first thing you need to do is execute ,,make clean''
[05:49] <Atrophy> the MD5 is a way to check if your disc is good
[05:49] <crimsun_> lavigj: err, ,,make distclean''
[05:49] <lavigj> crimsun_: ok, so ,,make distclean'' ?
[05:49] <[Aura] kingwanja|> isnt that a microsoft sound download
[05:49] <Atrophy> no
[05:49] <crimsun_> lavigj: without the commas and quotes
[05:50] <lavigj> done
[05:50] <lavigj> crimsun_: what'd that do, in a nutshell?
[05:50] <crimsun_> lavigj: cleans your source directory
[05:50] <lavigj> k
[05:50] <helio7> crimsun_ trying to study my spelling and make sure I copied your command right
[05:51] <Atrophy> woohoo!!  I'm gettin' 91kbps on my torrent!!!
[05:51] <Atrophy> it's not great, but it'll do!
[05:51] <[Aura] kingwanja|> where is md5 , im getting all kinds of md5 on google
[05:51] <jdrake> how goes the party
[05:51] <Atrophy> ok go to ubuntulinux.org
[05:51] <Atrophy> and go to the downloads section
[05:52] <Atrophy> and poke around
[05:52] <crimsun_> lavigj: the next thing you need to do is apply the patch using patch(1)
[05:52] <Atrophy> look for hoary-i386-live.iso.md5 or something like that
[05:52] <lavigj> crimsun_: hmm... ok. so I am going to download the patch, and then waht?
[05:52] <crimsun_> lavigj: apply it using patch(1)
[05:53] <Atrophy> Everyone:  Do you have to make an ISO of a disc to check its md5, or can you do that straight from disc?
[05:53] <lavigj> crimsun_: I assume it needs to be in the untarred directory fo rthe source?
[05:53] <crimsun_> lavigj: not necessarily
[05:54] <[Aura] kingwanja|> md5sums ?
[05:54] <lavigj> crimsun_: hmm... ok. I will have to find the original file it patchs
[05:54] <Atrophy> yeah
[05:54] <crimsun_> lavigj: the patch itself can be anywhere, and your $(pwd) can be anywhere.
[05:54] <[Aura] kingwanja|> what do i do with that ?
[05:54] <crimsun_> lavigj: patch(1) has the -p and -d parameters
[05:54] <Atrophy> download it and in a minute you'll be able to use it to check your disc
[05:54] <Atrophy> first of all what OS are you running?
[05:55] <[Aura] kingwanja|> im using windows
[05:55] <[Aura] kingwanja|> :P
[05:55] <Atrophy> ok
[05:55] <NetGeek> evening all
[05:55] <Atrophy> then you'll need to download the MD5 file checker
[05:55] <Atrophy> hang on let me find the URL
[05:56] <compmanio36> join #/pchelp
[05:56] <Atrophy> I can't find it... google for "MD5FileChecker" or something
[05:56] <compmanio36> oops
[05:56] <compmanio36> damn syntax :P
[05:56] <Atrophy> it's a freeware windows app
[05:56] <Amaranth> Atrophy: md5sum is available for windows
[05:57] <Atrophy> ok
[05:57] <Atrophy> do you know if he has to ISO the disc first?
[05:58] <lavigj> crimsun_: sorry, I am being a bit dense... how can I use -p or -d to find the file that is going to be patched?
[05:58] <[Aura] kingwanja|> run the cd with it ?
[05:58] <[Aura] kingwanja|> http://www.brandonstaggs.com/filecheckmd5.html
[05:58] <Atrophy> aura... FileCheckMD5 is the name of the program
[05:58] <Atrophy> yeah
[05:58] <compmanio36> hey, I was trying to install Ubuntu on a neighbor's computer and it got to 19% on loading the installer, and the screen would blink and froze right there
[05:59] <compmanio36> any suggestions?
[05:59] <Atrophy> and then you can either run that straight on the CD or you have to make an ISO of the CD first
[05:59] <Atrophy> I'm not sure
[05:59] <helio7> compmanio did you try the noapic nolapic options ? i had a similar problem that that solved on my laptop
[05:59] <NetGeek> compmanio36: the cd may have burned bad, can you make a new one
[05:59] <[Aura] kingwanja|> compmanio36 , i dont believe a word you say is true
[06:00] <helio7> what is it hit F2 for boot options on install?
[06:00] <ions> why would apt-get keep back a package from being updated?
[06:00] <helio7> [Aura] kingwanja|: please don't be stinky with people requesting help lol they might confuse you with the people who are here being helpful =P
[06:01] <Atrophy> lol
[06:01] <Atrophy> Aura.. do you know how to make an ISO of a CD?
[06:01] <crimsun_> ions: dependencies are missing or are not satisfied given your command line parameters
[06:02] <ions> hmm, gaim is being kept back and I can't figure out why
[06:02] <[Aura] kingwanja|> Atrophy i dont have a cd rw
[06:02] <crimsun_> ions: are you using dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[06:02] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ahhh
[06:02] <ions> upgrade
[06:02] <helio7> crimsun_ i pasted to pastebin the curl script you gave me if you could peek at it and see if there's any error 'cause it's not working... otherwise I'm studying lynx docs to see if I can paste that way
[06:02] <Atrophy> Aura.. you don't need one to make an ISO
[06:03] <Atrophy> you just need a program to make an ISO out of a CD
[06:03] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i would upgrade if all my neighbours have cds and gave me donations
[06:03] <crimsun_> helio7: http://pastebin.com/245284 worked
[06:03] <[Aura] kingwanja|> that daemon thingy
[06:03] <crimsun_> ions: and with dist-upgrade?
[06:04] <ions> if I do apt-get install gaim on it's own it works
[06:04] <helio7> crimsun_ yeah i did that in firefox off a box with X running (=
[06:04] <ions> I thought dist-upgrade was only used when moving to Hoary from warty
[06:04] <[Aura] kingwanja|> cannot create file access id denied
[06:04] <Atrophy> access denied?
[06:04] <crimsun_> ions: it's to be used whenever packages are added or removed.
[06:04] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well i only scanned it
[06:04] <crimsun_> ions: upgrade doesn't allow for those.
[06:05] <Atrophy> yeah you have to make the ISO first before you can scan it
[06:05] <lavigj> crimsun_: do I patch the make file?
[06:05] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i need bed , its 5am
[06:05] <ions> oh, ok. the thing is I have 2 other machines with an identical sources.list and update history and they're not having this problem
[06:05] <Atrophy> ok have fun d00d
[06:05] <sigglet> I have a question about cdrecord tools
[06:05] <Atrophy> once you get an ISO made you can check it against the md5 file
[06:05] <sigglet> what is this command "fakeroot" for?
[06:05] <crimsun_> lavigj: use patch(1) to patch whichever files are specified in the diff
[06:06] <lavigj> crimsun_: ok... sorry. this is definately my first time doing this
[06:06] <crimsun_> sigglet: fakes root privileges, most useful for building packages.
[06:06] <Atrophy> omfg it's getting late...
[06:07] <Atrophy> hoary had better get my tv card working FAST!
[06:07] <lavigj> crimsun_: patch(1) gives me a syntax error, patch -p1 fix-libtool-invocation.patch just seems to hang there with no processor usage
[06:08] <[Aura] kingwanja|> its getting late .. 5am its mega late :'(
[06:08] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i just said to myself earlier , i will try the live cd before i snuggle up in bed
[06:08] <sigglet> crimsun: root@idaho:~/cdrtools-2.0+a30.pre1 # fakeroot debian/rules dvd=yes cdrecord
[06:08] <sigglet> bash: fakeroot: command not found
[06:08] <YankDownUnder> 4pm - Wednesday
[06:08] <crimsun_> lavigj: you have to use the correct syntax: patch -p1 < fix-libtool-invocation.patch
[06:08] <[Aura] kingwanja|> that was ages ago :'(
[06:09] <sigglet> I take it I need to install this package
[06:09] <sigglet> hmmm
[06:09] <lavigj> crimsun_: well, that got me farture. it says it can't fin the file to patch at input line 3
[06:09] <Atrophy> so go to bed Aura... that's what I should do too but I'm not cause I'm a nerd and it bothers me when something's not working
[06:09] <lavigj> crimsun_: it is looking for makefile, but I have two of those in the directory
[06:09] <lavigj> crimsun_: hang on, let me try somethign
[06:10] <crimsun_> lavigj: erg, Makefile?
[06:10] <helio7> help with scp syntax?  scp -P222 /var/log/XFree86.0.log 192.168.100:/  ...what's wrong?
[06:10] <lavigj> crimsun_: yeah
[06:10] <crimsun_> lavigj: yuk, that's horrid.
[06:10] <crimsun_> helio7: what is -P222 for?
[06:10] <helio7> port 222 i thought
[06:10] <crimsun_> you have sshd running on port 222?
[06:10] <lavigj> crimsun_: I have 2 fiels that are similar, Maxfile.am and Makefile.in
[06:10] <helio7> oh i forgot i needed that for ipcop not ubuntu
[06:11] <crimsun_> lavigj: right, those are used to generate ./configure, which you'd execute to generate Makefiles
[06:11] <lavigj> ah, ok
[06:11] <lavigj> crimsun_: should I give ./configure a try again?
[06:11] <crimsun_> lavigj: might be easiest to simply start with a freshly untarred source tree
[06:11] <lavigj> and then attempt the patch?
[06:11] <crimsun_> lavigj: then apply the patch
[06:12] <lavigj> crimsun_: ok, give me a moment and it shall be so
[06:13] <lavigj> crimsun_: same thing
[06:13] <[Aura] kingwanja|> nn \o
[06:13] <crimsun_> lavigj: could you give me a url to the patch?
[06:13] <lavigj> crimsun_: you bet, but give me one thing to try
[06:14] <lavigj> er, let me try one thign
[06:14] <Atrophy> Mmm.... lightly toasted hoary disc...
[06:14] <lavigj> crimsun_: ok, I did ./configure and now it gave me an error
[06:14] <lavigj> #flood...
[06:14] <Atrophy> lol ./configure ALWAYS gives errors...
[06:15] <lavigj> Atrophy: no, the patch did
[06:15] <lavigj> Atrophy: after ./configure
[06:16] <helio7> uh why would i have a different password for scp than for sudo??
[06:16] <crimsun_> lavigj: the patch expects a very specific Makefile; what sort of options were supposed to be passed to ./configure ?
[06:16] <crimsun_> helio7: scp has nothing to do with sudo
[06:16] <crimsun_> helio7: use the remote user's passwd, not the origin's user
[06:16] <lavigj> crimsun_: um... not sure.... here's the link to the patch file http://mirrors.wamug.org.au/gentoo/portage/app-crypt/steghide/files/fix-libtool-invocation.patch
[06:17] <helio7> yeah I know i'm just surprised i forgot I had a different pw to scp into my desktop...  it worked i just don't know where that password is stored...
[06:18] <lavigj> crimsun_: I may have screwed up and gotten a patch that won't work with the raw source
[06:18] <helio7> anyway crimsun_ i finally succeeded in uploading XFree86.0.log http://pastebin.com/245292
[06:19] <helio7> thank you in advance for peeking at it (= for me it's well, a bit like advanced Sanskrit... I'm beginning to piece it together but I've got a long way to go
[06:19] <crimsun_> lavigj: that's a one-line "fix," really...
[06:20] <lavigj> crimsun_: ok, I think I found something on the dev lists (now that I found those) and it might do the trick
[06:20] <lavigj> crimsun_: let me give it a shot
[06:20] <drgalaxy> I want to switch from debian to ubuntu;  do most debian packages work in ubuntu?
[06:20] <Atrophy> yes drgalaxy
[06:20] <Atrophy> ubuntu is completely debian based
[06:20] <compmanio36> ubuntu is a debian based distro
[06:20] <drgalaxy> Atrophy yes, was just reading, wasn't sure if it all worked though
[06:20] <Atrophy> woohoo!!! my hoary download is done!
[06:21] <compmanio36> where do you go to get hoary?
[06:21] <drgalaxy> one more Q: does ubuntu come with ALSA?
[06:21] <stuNNed> yep
[06:21] <drgalaxy> schweet
[06:21] <compmanio36> and do you think I should put it on over warty
[06:21] <drgalaxy> sounds like its the distro for me
[06:21] <drgalaxy> thanks guys
[06:23] <Atrophy> no problem
[06:23] <helio7> compmanio hoary fresh install or hoary the upgrade?
[06:24] <compmanio36> well, right now I don't have anything, cause I overwrote my ubuntu install with another distro I was trying out
[06:24] <compmanio36> then got rid of that
[06:24] <compmanio36> so I guess the fresh install
[06:25] <Witigonen> I'm trying to decide what flavor of Linux to install on my Acer Aspire 1661 notebook.  I'm familiar with Mandrake, Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu, so I'm trying to decide between one of those, though if somebody has another suggestion, I'll listen.  I was hoping I could get some opinions of why Ubuntu would be the best choice?  I personally can't decide...
[06:26] <drgalaxy> Witigonen: if it is a fast computer and you like having the latest gnome I would say ubuntu
[06:26] <helio7> compmanio36: try http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-4/
[06:26] <drgalaxy> Witigonen when in doubt.. try the ubuntu live cd first
[06:26] <lavigj> crimsun_: thanks for all your help, I am sorry I didn't find the lists sooner... I did find a work around. It essentially bypassed using libtool
[06:27] <drgalaxy> does ubuntu come with the kernel source by default?  I kind of need ndiswrapper to get on the inet
[06:27] <Atrophy> ok fairly soon my hoary disc will be lightly toasted and my efforts at world domination can begin in earnest!!!
[06:27] <Witigonen> drgalaxy: It's a P4 2.8Ghz.  Pretty fast (especially for a laptop).  I don't know about Gnome vs. KDE, though.  That's one stumbling block (in my mind) about Ubuntu - not that I think KDE is better than Gnome, but just which one I want on this laptop.  I've used Ubuntu before, it's great, but... well, to be honest, I'm very shallow when it comes to my desktop, I like it PRETTY.  One reason I use Linux is that I can configure how things look an
[06:27] <Witigonen> amazing extent.  I know that's not the best reason :)
[06:27] <helio7> what does "array-4" on the hoary page stand for?
[06:27] <crimsun_> 4th milestone toward hoary
[06:27] <helio7> crimsun_ did you get my pastebin link?
[06:27] <crimsun_> helio7: sec.
[06:28] <lavigj> crimsun_: 4th milestone?
[06:28] <helio7> np no hurry just makin' sure (=
[06:28] <monoxide> 4th test release
[06:28] <|QuaD-> anyone know where kopete stores away msgs?
[06:28] <compmanio36> do you think Ubuntu could run on a old P2 333 MHz comp w/ intergrated ATI Rage 128 4MB?
[06:28] <lavigj> ah
[06:28] <lavigj> crimsun_: thanks again for all your hlep
[06:28] <Atrophy> ok see you guys on the other side...
[06:28] <drgalaxy> compmanio36 sure, but I doubt using gnome 2.8 would be much fun
[06:29] <drgalaxy> bye Atrophy
[06:29] <johnnybezak> compmanio: mb, but you might want to use a different window manager
[06:29] <helio7> ah lavigj see each hoary release in the timeline here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[06:30] <lavigj> helio7: cool. thanks
[06:30] <helio7> compmanio36: I've installe dubuntu on a few machines just like that
[06:30] <dragon> aloha
[06:30] <stuNNed> hi
[06:30] <dragon> Question for you
[06:30] <GammaRay> compmanio36: how much ram?
[06:30] <Atrophy> ok I'm back people
[06:30] <helio7> compmanio36: and it runs okay but I'm going to see if it'll run faster with fluxbox...
[06:31] <johnnybezak> fluxbox is sweet as
[06:31] <compmanio36> hmm........128 MB PC100
[06:31] <compmanio36> i think
[06:31] <crimsun_> helio7: your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is messed.
[06:31] <dragon> Error: Unkown or corrupt file system, When pressing enter to start the install on a Powerbook G4
[06:31] <compmanio36> yeah, I know fluxbox is less resource intensive
[06:31] <crimsun_> helio7: it's trying to load a module named "generic", which I've never heard of
[06:32] <compmanio36> just don't know how to install it on Ubuntu
[06:32] <helio7> crimsun_ lol hmm
[06:32] <GammaRay> icewm is even less resource intensive
[06:32] <johnnybezak> flux is sexy too
[06:32] <compmanio36> well, I want something too that she can use intuitively, she is not computer-savvy
[06:32] <compmanio36> LOL
[06:32] <Atrophy> lol
[06:32] <Atrophy> who is "she"?
[06:32] <drgalaxy> my fav minimal desktop is xfce with fluxbox as a close second
[06:32] <compmanio36> i used it with a LiveCD distro, can't remember what it was though
[06:33] <compmanio36> it was fluxbox or xfce as default
[06:33] <dragon> Exact error is "CD:2 /install/powerpc/vmlinux : Unkown or corrupt file system" Any way around this?
[06:33] <drgalaxy> so does ubuntu come with kernel sources by default?
[06:34] <lunitik> compmanio36: I don't think there are LiveCD's with flux as default... a few with XFce though, so likely it was XFce... (looked kinda like GNOME?)
[06:34] <bob2> drgalaxy: no
[06:34] <bob2> dragon: check the md5sum of the cd
[06:35] <lunitik> drgalaxy: they are easily installed though... apt-cache search kernel-sources to see some options... also 'kernel-headers' is probably all you need...
[06:35] <dragon> Oh? I did. it checked out. Used K3b and the MD5Sum checked out
[06:35] <dragon> :-)
[06:35] <drgalaxy> my situation is that I can't get on the internet without ndiswrapper built against the kernel (cheap wifi pci card)
[06:35] <drgalaxy> do the sources come on the cd?
[06:36] <lunitik> drgalaxy: uhh... where I say kernel... I really mean linux... linux related packages are called 'linux-*' in Ubuntu... 'kernel-*' in Debian
[06:36] <drgalaxy> lunitik thank you, that is something to remember
[06:36] <helio7> crimsun_ i just pasted the previous XFConfig http://pastebin.com/245294 and the one that generated that log http://pastebin.com/245293 if you get a chance (or anyone else) I'm busy trying to rename references to "generic"
[06:36] <pablo928> What am I doing wrong? when I use cd browse_to_your_download_folder as a command, I get 'no such file or directory.
[06:36] <dragon> oooooh nm it just booted the kernal
[06:36] <dragon> wierd it started by itself
[06:36] <dragon> HAHA
[06:37] <lunitik> pablo928: tab is your friend when using bash.
[06:37] <lunitik> pablo928: probably typed something wrong
[06:37] <GammaRay> compmanio36: here is xfce4: http://de.lunar-linux.org/xfce4/screenshots/snap_VII.jpg
[06:37] <bob2> dragon: you're booting the default, right?
[06:37] <GammaRay> compmanio36: here is icewm: http://pinsa.escomposlinux.org/sromero/linux/icewm/icewm_06s.jpg
[06:37] <pablo928> What do I do with the tab?
[06:37] <dragon> i was
[06:37] <dragon> it has been sitting here next to me servger
[06:38] <dragon> err server*
[06:38] <bob2> drgalaxy: a) you don't need the sources to bulid the ndiswrapper module, b) you don't need to build it at all, it's part of the normal ubuntu kernel
[06:38] <lunitik> GammaRay: you can't really give an example of ICEwm... its got so many faces...
[06:38] <dragon> it just started the install by itself
[06:38] <pablo928> And I couldn't have typed wrong cause I copied and pasted the command.
[06:38] <bob2> drgalaxy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[06:38] <drgalaxy> bob2: excellent!  you just convinced me of this distro
[06:38] <lunitik> bob2: whoa... didn't know that   :)    part of linux-restricted-modules... or?
[06:38] <dragon> Well i think i found the problem
[06:38] <lunitik> bob2: (ndiswrapper)
[06:38] <bob2> lunitik: I hope so
[06:38] <dragon> now the installer is failing to mnt meh CD Rom
[06:39] <GammaRay> lunitik: How many places can you put the bar?
[06:39] <lunitik> GammaRay: huh?
[06:39] <crimsun_> helio7: yep, changing "generic" to "nvidia" should fix things up for you.
[06:39] <lunitik> GammaRay: afaik, it can go anywhere... and look like anything...
[06:40] <crimsun_> helio7: I also commented out a few additional modules; see http://pastebin.com/245296
[06:40] <helio7> thank you crimsun trying now
[06:40] <GammaRay> lunitik: I'll bet that shot is the most common setup though
[06:41] <dragon> Well to let everyone know. Im having trouble installing, I think the problem is my Tibooks CD Rom, It just starts read repeating and then the installer cannot mount it, Im trying a firewire CD Rom now
[06:42] <lunitik> GammaRay: heh... if you say so... I don't think I've ever seen that look before for icewm
[06:42] <GammaRay> lunitik: I don't mean the theme
[06:42] <lunitik> GammaRay: I don't only mean the theme either...
[06:43] <GammaRay> a bar at the bottom w/ a menu,pager,taskbar,monitor,clock
[06:43] <FAST> where do you change the color of the text of the icons on the desktop?
[06:44] <lunitik> FAST: in the gtkrc file located in the themes folder in /usr/share/themes
[06:44] <GammaRay> in other words, you have to edit the theme
[06:44] <Atrophy> lol
[06:45] <lunitik> GammaRay: thats what I said damnit  :P
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> hi al
[06:46] <GammaRay> probably better to copy the theme to ~/.themes and then edit
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> if i do apt-get remove XXX the downloaded package file is removed too ?
[06:46] <lunitik> GammaRay: perhaps... heh
[06:46] <helio7> crimsun_ here's the new /var/log/XFree86.0.log errors after fixing it http://pastebin.com/245300
[06:46] <bob2> da_bon_bon: nope
[06:46] <FAST> lunitik, is there an easy way to change the colors? (i.e. from a gui tool)
[06:47] <lunitik> FAST: no
[06:47] <Atrophy> lol
[06:47] <FAST> well. that blows somewhat.
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> bob2: thanks.
[06:47] <Atrophy> nice, concise answers... I like that.
[06:48] <Atrophy> man the compy I'm installing hoary on has a bad CMOS battery
[06:48] <Atrophy> it makes it interesting to work with...
[06:48] <crimsun_> helio7: except that's the conffile, not the log file
[06:48] <dragon> ok that didnt work
[06:48] <GammaRay> Atrophy: is that some kind of dinosaur?
[06:49] <Atrophy> what's adm?
[06:49] <helio7> doh!!
[06:49] <dragon> now i get to the install screen and then it tries to install and says error mounting CD Rom
[06:49] <lunitik> helio7: I think you were told to change 'generic' to 'nvidia'?
[06:49] <Atrophy> not a dinosaur... it's my K6-2 750!!!
[06:49] <helio7> lunitik i did that
[06:50] <lunitik> helio7: not according to what you put in pastebin  :/
[06:50] <crimsun_> helio7: yeah, it still says "generic"
[06:51] <dragon> Any idea's? 2 different CD Burners, 3 CD's Same problem hehe :-) Have you guys had any issues with the firmware on Powerbook G4's (400) ?
[06:51] <Atrophy> ok so far so good
[06:51] <helio7> what I put in pastebin was an error I believe from my bad copypasting sorry
[06:51] <Atrophy> is SiRrUs still here?
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> what good does the "linux-headers" package do ?
[06:51] <regeya> Atrophy: if it makes you feel better, I have a much slower k6-2 IN THIS ROOM, AND i'M ON A via c3-based box right now
[06:51] <Atrophy> lol
[06:51] <regeya> sorry about the allcaps
[06:52] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: it allows you to compile modules without compiling the whole kernel... in this case...
[06:52] <Atrophy> yeah I have another K6 sitting next to me... a 540
[06:52] <chillywi1ly> oo-boon-too
[06:52] <helio7> hmm don't read the second one either something's going wrong gimme a minute si'm trying real hard here )=
[06:52] <Atrophy> 540 LOL
[06:52] <Atrophy> I meant 450
[06:52] <Atrophy> or 400... can't remember
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: ah, ok.. but for modules like squshfs that require complete source, i need the tree right ?
[06:52] <Atrophy> anyways I'm gonna get that one working after I do this one
[06:52] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: generally ensures you don't have to compile everything when you only want to compile a few kb's
[06:53] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: you shouldn't... but then, I don't really understand the point of 'linux-tree'  :/
[06:53] <dragon> :-x
[06:53] <regeya> Atrophy: nothing wrong with that!  Not like you're going to be playing Halo-2 on that box, but when yo uconsider that some people still use NeXT boxes...
[06:53] <Atrophy> lol
[06:53] <Atrophy> indeed
[06:53] <helio7> I dl'ed the new file via lynx and it got all gnarled up )= gotta try a different way
[06:53] <Atrophy> I'm all about the ghetto hardwarez
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: ok.. thanks.
[06:54] <Atrophy> I have a 286 sitting in my living room LOL
[06:54] <Atrophy> it's about to be scrapped though cause I need the capacitors and stuff LOL
[06:54] <regeya> I haven't tried to power up the ol' tandy 1000 ex for a while.
[06:54] <Atrophy> ooh and I have a VIC-20 in the closet
[06:54] <bob2> harvesting capacitors from 20 year old equipment seems like a bad idea
[06:54] <Atrophy> but it is missing its video cable :-(
[06:54] <GammaRay> Atrophy: is it holding up the bum side of your couch?
[06:54] <regeya> wonder if a.) it still works and b.) if my copy of king's quest still works
[06:54] <drgalaxy> old computers are hardly worth running when you consider the power they draw
[06:55] <regeya> drgalaxy: so sue me.
[06:55] <OrangeSlice> hmm, oldest I've got is a commodore 64 :p
[06:55] <lunitik> bob2: nuh uh... its brilliant    8)
[06:55] <drgalaxy> regeya I can't, my power bill is too high  :)
[06:55] <regeya> heh
[06:55] <GammaRay> TRS-80 (-;
[06:55] <bob2> lunitik: you know they degrade, right?
[06:55] <bob2> at least electrolytic ones
[06:55] <regeya> it's not like newer machines draw any less
[06:55] <regeya> ;-)
[06:55] <Atrophy> indeed... I'm already running 3 to 4 computers at any given time
[06:55] <lunitik> bob2: note sarcasm   ;)
[06:55] <drgalaxy> regeya yes, but with one powerful computer you can do what 10 486's can do
[06:55] <Atrophy> if you get a mini-itx they draw less power
[06:56] <Atrophy> I am about to make me a NES-server with one
[06:56] <drgalaxy> teehee
[06:56] <dragon> oh well off to debian
[06:56] <drgalaxy> my next puter is going to be in a briefcase with an LCD hacked inside
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> and what good does the linux-patch-ubuntu package do ?
[06:56] <regeya> drgalaxy: my wife uses the k6-2 to run windows and ms office.  if there were 10 of her, they could all type at 20wpm and still not tax the k6-2.
[06:56] <bob2> da_bon_bon: tons of good
[06:56] <Atrophy> lol
[06:57] <|QuaD-> whats a k6-2?
[06:57] <bob2> da_bon_bon: look at the patch to see, or read the README or changeloge
[06:57] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: changes Ubuntu folks made to the mainstream kernel would be my guess...
[06:57] <drgalaxy> regeya yes, but you said 286 :)  k6-2 is what I use for windows development (soon to be gone thanks to QEMU)
[06:57] <bob2> |QuaD-: an old AMD cpu
[06:57] <regeya> I never said 286, drgalaxy.
[06:57] <|QuaD-> ahh.... ok
[06:57] <Atrophy> lol did you all hear that the next version of Fedora is gonna come with an open source VMWare?!?!
[06:57] <Atrophy> W00t!!!
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> bob2: like ? i mean, installing that package by itself wont help at all, right ?
[06:57] <drgalaxy> regeya oh sorry, I haven't been smoking enough pot
[06:57] <regeya> no way
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> Atrophy: u r joking.
[06:57] <lunitik> Atrophy: eh... Xen  :/
[06:58] <regeya> drgalaxy, if you're trying to be insulting, scroll back first, then be insulting. ;-)
[06:58] <lunitik> Atrophy: its getting into mainstream kernel... so it'll be in Ubuntu too  :/
[06:58] <|QuaD-> according to vmware... if you attended linuxworld in boston and got your cardswiped there, you got a free version of vmware workstation, they still haven't emailed me the access code :(
[06:58] <Atrophy> nope
[06:58] <bob2> da_bon_bon: not unless you build a kernel with it
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok..
[06:58] <lunitik> Atrophy: don't argue... k thanks
[06:58] <bob2> presumably Atrophy means qemu.
[06:58] <regeya> I think you're referring to Atrophy, who already said it's going to be a parts machine :-)
[06:58] <bob2> which isn't special, since it's already in Ubuntu and Debian and ...
[06:58] <Atrophy> I didn't hear it'd be in the kernel
[06:58] <drgalaxy> they have always charged SO much for Vmware...  now that QEMU and epochs are coming of age I guess they are feeling the pressure
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> bob2: and the kqemu patch makes it rock!
[06:58] <Atrophy> according to Wired it was only gonna be in Fedora LOL
[06:58] <lunitik> bob2: nah.... Xen... Novell and Red Hat are going ape shit about it... as is IBM
[06:58] <|QuaD-> bob2: Xen is already in debian/ubuntu?
[06:59] <lunitik> |QuaD-: not yet
[06:59] <bob2> lunitik: Xen isn't like VMWare
[06:59] <bob2> |QuaD-: yes
[06:59] <lunitik> bob2: but thats what they mean  :/
[06:59] <bob2> |QuaD-: debian, anyway
[06:59] <bob2> da_bon_bon: and non-free and non-dsitributable!
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> :(
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> right
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> whats Xen ?
[06:59] <|QuaD-> interesting
[06:59] <|QuaD-> i wish vmware was Open sourced :)
[06:59] <regeya> I don't see what the big deal is about the licensing fee for vmware...it's their code, they chose to keep it closed, and there's not a huge market for it.  I mean, other than wonks who want to run multiple OSes at the same time on the same machine for giggles, where's the market?
[07:00] <Atrophy> lol
[07:00] <regeya> people developing OSes
[07:00] <|QuaD-> regeya: developing
[07:00] <regeya> and
[07:00] <regeya> ...
[07:00] <Atrophy> hey... there's a lot of wonks out there....
[07:00] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: an Open Source Virtual Machine... but it needs kernel modifications... so doesn't support Windows etc
[07:00] <drgalaxy> regeya people like me... I hate windows but sometimes have to test software I write on it
[07:00] <bob2> da_bon_bon: it's like a mainframe virtualisation thing.  it doesn't run unmodified code, the client OS's need to be modified
[07:00] <regeya> I have a much cheaper solution.
[07:00] <|QuaD-> i wonder how xen performs compared to vmware
[07:00] <bob2> da_bon_bon: so it only really works with Linux and NetBSD, iirc
[07:00] <bob2> |QuaD-: a ton faster
[07:01] <regeya> actually, no, I don't.
[07:01] <|QuaD-> bob2: really?
[07:01] <bob2> there was a windows port but MS nuked it
[07:01] <drgalaxy> I know a windoze XP user who uses VMware to run another XP... to browse porn with
[07:01] <regeya> I don't dual-boot on this machine.
[07:01] <bob2> |QuaD-: yes
[07:01] <bob2> |QuaD-: very nearly full speed
[07:01] <Atrophy> hahahaha awesome
[07:01] <regeya> nevermind
[07:01] <Atrophy> that's a good idea for all your pr0n needs...
[07:01] <|QuaD-> bob2: wow... i wonder if windows will ever support it
[07:01] <Atrophy> stupid... but entertaining.
[07:01] <drgalaxy> Atrophy: he wouldn't have a reason to do that if he didn't insist on using Internet Evil
[07:01] <regeya> used to own a copy of win4lin, but it seems a little pointless these days
[07:01] <|QuaD-> hmm, i could start running all my servers in a xen vm then... that might not be a bad idea
[07:02] <lunitik> |QuaD-: probably not.... its backed by IBM and is open source... doesn't look good....
[07:02] <Atrophy> lol...
[07:02] <regeya> plus that whole thing of violating the eula right off the bat...*shrug*
[07:02] <helio7> http://pastebin.com/245307 crimsun_ lunitik thanks for the hand; this is my best classroom computer; so if I can fix it it will be used for educational purposes with kids again tomorrow (=
[07:02] <Atrophy> well it happens... my sister doesn't like Firefox because she doesn't like the download manager...
[07:02] <Atrophy> :: shakes head :: makes no sense whatsoever...
[07:02] <drgalaxy> that is strange..
[07:02] <bob2> |QuaD-: well, resupport it
[07:02] <|QuaD-> bob2: resupport it?
[07:02] <bob2> |QuaD-: windows was ported to it ages ago
[07:02] <drgalaxy> Atrophy : learn some XUL/JS/etc and implement an IE-like one :)
[07:02] <Atrophy> lol
[07:03] <Atrophy> you don't even have to do that
[07:03] <regeya> ungh.
[07:03] <Atrophy> there are settings to do that
[07:03] <|QuaD-> bob2: interesting.... was that by micrsoft's doing or xen's?
[07:03] <drgalaxy> oh thats neat
[07:03] <Atrophy> but of course she'd rather just use IE
[07:03] <bob2> |QuaD-: but since it requires modifications to the client (ie modifying Windows), no one but MS can continue it
[07:03] <regeya> I love the download manager.
[07:03] <drgalaxy> hahaha my dad wouldn't switch from IE so we just changed the shortcut to point to firefox on his 'puter... professors aren't ususally computer people
[07:03] <bob2> |QuaD-: AIUI MS Research had people in cambridge assisting/supporting/somethinging with the Xen developers
[07:03] <regeya> my wife got mad the first time I opened a tab in firefox, and left a window open on her machine.
[07:03] <|QuaD-> bob2: interesting... that owuld be nice for playing with win2k3
[07:04] <|QuaD-> see why i love linux
[07:04] <regeya> see, my wife is one of these people who refuses to ever learn to deal with any sort of fancy computing device
[07:04] <Atrophy> lol
[07:04] <regeya> in today's job market, despite her education, she's what you call 'unskilled'
[07:04] <Pluk> poor bastard :) i almost have my gf to compile her own kernel
[07:04] <Atrophy> lol yeah I'm what you call "mediocre grades"
[07:05] <drgalaxy> sometimes it seems like education and skills are inversely related
[07:05] <regeya> seriously, she's going for her master's right now, and when she's in front of a computer I wonder how she avoided having to take special ed classes.
[07:05] <regeya> but this is offtopic, and I'm tired, so good night ooboontoo users
[07:05] <lunitik> Pluk: I'm sorry.... I usually have better things to do with my girl than teaching her to use my computer... I just make sure she doesn't touch it...   :)
[07:05] <Pluk> :D lol
[07:05] <drgalaxy> yes goodnight
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> anyone on hoary here finds that he cant download the package *- cupsys ??
[07:05] <helio7> drgalaxy that's funny; I had a friend who was telling me she was concerned about firefox because of the IDN homograph spoofing issue... I was trying to show her how it's like a 1:100 balance of vultnerablities from FF:IE
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> in updating
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> ?
[07:06] <Pluk> im not a 4x a day person so there is some spare computer time :D
[07:06] <Atrophy> well I blame noone but myself for my bad grades, but I do know my stuff when it comes to computers
[07:06] <Atrophy> unfortunately, few will ever find that out...
[07:06] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: nah... worked fine here...
[07:07] <drgalaxy> helio7 weird! especially since you can type  about:config and turn off the IDN stuff
[07:07] <Atrophy> lol helio
[07:07] <drgalaxy> when was the last time a fix to IE didn't require a patch?
[07:07] <Atrophy> activex controls, anyone?
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: fuck! i cant even get the headers now, for gods sake!
[07:07] <lunitik> Pluk: not only am I a 4x+ person... but it takes a long ass time... very little time for more productive activities... damn the bad luck  :P
[07:07] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: I'm sorry?
[07:07] <drgalaxy> I get the feeling that ActiveX was designed and implemented by business majors
[07:07] <Pluk> nah i wasted more time with windows on here machine so i fed here first debian and now ubuntu
[07:07] <Pluk> and she loves it
[07:08] <Pluk> and understand it
[07:08] <Atrophy> LOL drgalaxy ROTFLMAO
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> what do u guys do - install java from sun or the specially compile ubuntu package from neacm.pt... or other method ?
[07:08] <poofyhair> ahh
[07:08] <poofyhair> java from sun
[07:08] <Atrophy> no idea... I haven't gotten that far yet
[07:08] <helio7> from sun
[07:08] <poofyhair> as in the ubuntuguide
[07:08] <Pluk> sun;s
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> ok
[07:08] <drgalaxy> all it takes to be good at this stuff is motivation and reading skills
[07:08] <Atrophy> speaking of which... how do I add my java bins to the path variable once I do?
[07:08] <lunitik> Pluk: I usually date hot ditzes... they'd break something
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> Atrophy: in /etc/bash.bashrc export the patg
[07:09] <Atrophy> I'm currently dating a hot smart girl...
[07:09] <Pluk> :)
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> path
[07:09] <lunitik> Pluk: so long as you don't install the blasphamy that is Solaris.... Sun isn't so bad  :)
[07:09] <drgalaxy> in my book, 'hot ditz' is an oxymoron... the ditz part outweighs the hot part
[07:09] <Atrophy> who also happens to be a nurse and a sorority girl!  Jackpot!
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> Atrophy: shouldnt u be in bed with her, now ?
[07:09] <Atrophy> exactly drgalaxy
[07:09] <lunitik> drgalaxy: my penis disagrees... who am I to argue?
[07:09] <Atrophy> no her back is hurt
[07:10] <Atrophy> she's getting an mri on it in about a week
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> ah, ok.
[07:10] <Atrophy> so she's at home taking lots of pain pills
[07:10] <Atrophy> to tell the truth my back's not doin' so hot either
[07:10] <drgalaxy> my gf is asleep here in my one room apartment
[07:10] <Pluk> that sux Atrophy
[07:10] <poofyhair> when is the prerelease comming out?
[07:10] <Atrophy> yeah
[07:10] <Pluk> no *** for you :) ... or at least very carefull
[07:10] <lunitik> poofyhair: no idea... probably around March?
[07:11] <lunitik> Seems like a good guess
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9793 - i'd kill the bastard who wrote this
[07:11] <poofyhair> I saw that
[07:11] <poofyhair> its crap
[07:11] <Atrophy> no there's never any *** for me
[07:11] <Atrophy> lol
[07:11] <poofyhair> in the comments I tried to shread it.
[07:12] <poofyhair> I'm a profesional writer, when Hoary comes I'm going to give it an EXPERIANCED review
[07:12] <Pluk> that review is a joke
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> poofyhair: hope its posictive
[07:12] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: With all the positive reviews... someone had to come with something negative...
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> the cunt who likes kde - cant he install it from universe! bloody ppl dont read wiki and go shouting "bad distro"
[07:13] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: the first line pretty much screams "I'm an idiot" though... he admits he prefers KDE... but decided it was a good idea to use GNOME, and form judgement, even though he obviously doesn't know how to do things in GNOME  :/
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> poofyhair: under what name did u post comments ?
[07:14] <Atrophy> I've seen two "Getting there but not there yet" reviews of ubuntu
[07:14] <poofyhair> I think "poofyhairguy" or "poofyhair". thats me
[07:14] <Atrophy> and I would tend to agree except I choose a more positive outlook on it... I would use the word "promising."
[07:14] <Pluk> Ubuntu email is handled by Evolution, an Outlook clone. It's OK, if you want something to do a similar job to Outlook.  OMG that huy is a retard
[07:14] <Pluk> guy*
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> poobal: u with the same name on forums too, right ?
[07:14] <Pluk> NO OFFENCE TO RETARDS
[07:14] <Pluk> oooops caps
[07:14] <Atrophy> lol
[07:15] <Atrophy> that made me mad that I couldn't uninstall Evolution, BTW...
[07:15] <Atrophy> cause I prefer Thunderbird
[07:15] <Atrophy> oh well...
[07:15] <Pluk> hmmm you can uninstall?
[07:15] <Atrophy> nope because if you do it tries to take ubuntu desktop with it
[07:15] <Pluk> thats no prob
[07:15] <Pluk> ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage
[07:15] <Atrophy> it's integrated... as if you had an xp disc with sp2 in it
[07:15] <Atrophy> well I did it once and it uninstalled gnome-panel
[07:15] <drgalaxy> looks like the author of that article wrote the kpresenter user's manual... biased?
[07:16] <Atrophy> and that one's kind of important...
[07:16] <Pluk> then there was seomthing wrong
[07:16] <Atrophy> ok
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> Atrophy: what r u trying to remove ?
[07:16] <Atrophy> Evolution
[07:16] <Atrophy> LOL I just booted hoary... and it defaulted to 1600 x 1200
[07:17] <Pluk> Atrophy, from apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop :  This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu desktop system
[07:17] <Pluk>  .
[07:17] <Pluk>  It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are
[07:17] <Pluk>  not desired.
[07:17] <drgalaxy> http://www.zen26041.zen.co.uk/  AH-HAH!  the author of that article is actually a SCIENCE FICTION writer !! that makes total sense
[07:17] <poofyhair> kool
[07:17] <Atrophy> it makes everything REALLY FREAKING TINY
[07:17] <poofyhair> and a SUSE fanboy
[07:17] <poofyhair> couldn't stand all the good Ubuntu press I guess
[07:17] <drgalaxy> teeheehee
[07:18] <lunitik> poofyhair: nothing wrong with SUSE...
[07:18] <lunitik> poofyhair: Novell are paying some of the best open source hackers around right now
[07:18] <drgalaxy> probably going to see suse rolled out at schools... novell is really good at marketing to schools
[07:18] <Amaranth> The only part of SuSE I like is the NLD part.
[07:18] <poofyhair> Nothing wrong with any distro, just some users can be dicks
[07:19] <lunitik> Amaranth: NLD = SUSE 9.2 with different branding  :/
[07:19] <drgalaxy> hula-project.org is really f'ing neat too
[07:19] <Atrophy> lol
[07:19] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: yast? thats nice.... messes up config files but easy to use
[07:19] <|QuaD-> hula is amazing
[07:19] <poofyhair> I dislike yast
[07:19] <|QuaD-> i just wish it supported ical!
[07:19] <poofyhair> a lot
[07:19] <Atrophy> and remember, kids... Every OS Sucks...
[07:19] <Amaranth> lunitik: I know. :)
[07:19] <drgalaxy> |QuaD- why?
[07:19] <neiras> Hey there; I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade for fun, and I'm now running Hoary. Unfortunately, I cannot update my kernel now; all kernel packages "Cannot be installed". Is there a trick to this?
[07:19] <poofyhair> because it want to do EVERYTHING
[07:19] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: why what
[07:19] <Amaranth> lunitik: NLD == SuSE 9.2 with GNOME by default and _a lot_ of polish.
[07:20] <error_29> BeOs did not suck.  That's why it had to die.
[07:20] <|QuaD-> error_29: LOL
[07:20] <drgalaxy> why do you need ical?  in my understanding it is kind of half of a useful thing
[07:20] <lunitik> Amaranth: no... GNOME is not default... its the first choice on the first screen... thats like saying Tijuana is the default time zone in Ubuntu
[07:20] <|QuaD-> error_29: GNU/Hurd does not suck
[07:20] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: calandar sharing is nice
[07:21] <Amaranth> lunitik: All their marketing stuff shows it running GNOME.
[07:21] <drgalaxy> |QuaD- yes, but ical just describes calendars.. you still have to redownload your buddy's ical file and merge it
[07:21] <helio7> crimsun_ others: allright I realize the last log I posted was completely cut short because I misnamed the dang config file here is the latest error log should anyone still care to help me http://pastebin.com/245309 (= thanks...
[07:21] <error_29> Linux doesn't suck.  Linux distros try hard to suck, and sometimes succeed.
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> apt-get doesnt seem
[07:21] <|QuaD-> hula & xampp is like a kickass combination
[07:21] <Amaranth> I've never tried it so I dunno if it would be good enough to make up for the SuSE base.
[07:21] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: so?
[07:22] <crimsun_> helio7: sudo modprobe nvidia
[07:22] <lunitik> Amaranth: whats wrong with the SUSE base? its the same one as Ubuntu for the most part...
[07:22] <helio7> not found )=
[07:22] <drgalaxy> |QuaD- wouldn't it be nice to have the basis for sharing be at least as functional as the M$ equiv?  how about some protocol for notifying people of updates?
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> apt-get cant download the cupsys update - it fails. can anyone tell me why ?
[07:22] <Atrophy> lol
[07:22] <helio7> sudo apt-get install nvidia?  I definately had it at one point...
[07:22] <Atrophy> I always like the pecker-measuring contests that go on between distros...
[07:22] <crimsun_> helio7: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[07:22] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: take it one step at a time
[07:22] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: dpkg already told you prolly.... what does it say in the error?
[07:22] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: exchange is very $$
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> i mean, apt-get hangs at "getting headers" and update-maanger cant get that package
[07:23] <poofyhair> I finally got my ATI driver to work last night
[07:23] <poofyhair> After months of hoping.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: failed to fetch XXX.. do u want to continue ?
[07:23] <Amaranth> lunitik: SuSE seemed much bulkier and ran slower on my machine. Plus I've had one too many bad expierences with RPMs.
[07:23] <drgalaxy> |QuaD- oh yes, I know.. I wouldn't want to use it.. but ical has been 'out' for a coupla years now and the insides of it haven't changed
[07:23] <poofyhair> Thanks to whoever packaged the xorg ati driver
[07:23] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: say yes... apt-get update again... and try again
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: ok.
[07:23] <poofyhair> with a little hacking, zsnes didn't seem as slow as molases
[07:23] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: i think its nice.... basically so that i can keep my calandar remotely and have all my pims access it and change it
[07:24] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: i don't really need it to share with others, but i have multiple pims
[07:24] <lunitik> Amaranth: you were imagining things... YaST is slow to load... but thats about it
[07:24] <drgalaxy> |QuaD- obviously you don't work in a group
[07:24] <Atrophy> PoofyHAIR!!!!
[07:24] <Atrophy> which ATI card do you have?!?!
[07:24] <lunitik> Amaranth: and SUSE/Fedora/freinds don't make you play with RPM's these days
[07:24] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: no i don't... not yet
[07:24] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: wanna hire me :)
[07:24] <lunitik> Amaranth: .debs are no different if you use them in original form
[07:25] <poofyhair> 9600 pro
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: apt-get update'ed .. now using update manager, the 14 packages are alreayd downloaded.
[07:25] <Atrophy> damn...
[07:25] <Atrophy> I have a 7500 AIW
[07:25] <drgalaxy> |QuaD- I'll hire you if you hire me :)  I'm a freelancer right now
[07:25] <Amaranth> lunitik: I know apt-get == yum, dpkg == rpm, etc
[07:25] <helio7> crimsun_ no packages found matching linux-restricted-modles-2.6.8.1-5-686.
[07:25] <|QuaD-> drgalaxy: hehe i am a student currently
[07:25] <jeavis> hi I am using php, apache and mySQL where I need to save my files php to use them
[07:25] <Amaranth> lunitik: I've had the RPM database corrupt on me before on two different servers.
[07:25] <zenrox> to bad some of the loki games dont work
[07:25] <lunitik> Amaranth: no.... apt-get == apt-get ... activate extras, and 'yum install apt4rpm' (I think)
[07:25] <poofyhair> I always hated it....but now I do less....still want a NVidia card so I can play some newer games
[07:26] <zenrox> poofyhair,  i love my new nvidia
[07:26] <Amaranth> lunitik: I was generalizing. :)
[07:26] <drgalaxy> Amaranth I have too... it is hell - especially if it is a remotely hosted machine
[07:26] <crimsun_> helio7: then you know which package to install.
[07:26] <lunitik> Amaranth: 'rpm --rebuilddb'  :/
[07:26] <Amaranth> drgalaxy: It was.
[07:26] <helio7> crimsun_ i'm positive I had the nvidia module installed previously I don't know how it could have gotten corrupted or messed up any idea?
[07:26] <Amaranth> lunitik: iirc the one died in the middle of installing a package
[07:26] <drgalaxy> lunitik rpm lets users mess it up beyond repair pretty easily
[07:26] <Amaranth> lunitik: That didn't save me.
[07:26] <drgalaxy> even if you remove the /var/lib/rpm/___* files..
[07:26] <crimsun_> it's not corrupted; you simply need to install the new package per the kernel security update.
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: what if i dnld the file manually and put it in cache ?
[07:27] <lunitik> drgalaxy: users shouldn't be using RPM's... bet you've never used a .deb
[07:27] <Atrophy> ok I'm installing GATOS as we speak...
[07:27] <Atrophy> :: crosses his fingers ::
 hi I am using php, apache and mySQL where I need to save my files php to use them
[07:27] <Amaranth> lunitik: I've manually installed .debs before, it sucks. :p
[07:27] <Atrophy> so I need to reboot before the GATOS drivers will take effect?
[07:27] <drgalaxy> lunitik how much you wanna bet I just upgraded 300 .deb's ?
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> Atrophy: whats GATOS ?
[07:27] <Amaranth> drgalaxy: Without apt?
[07:27] <chrismurf> jeavis, this probably isn't the right forum for that
[07:27] <drgalaxy> no with apt, but I have done my share
[07:27] <lunitik> drgalaxy: manually? or with apt?
[07:28] <chrismurf> jeavis, but you should be able to save them anywhere on your webserver
[07:28] <Atrophy> graphic drivers
[07:28] <drgalaxy> I was a redhat user for 7+ years, and a debian user for the last 8 months
[07:28] <lunitik> drgalaxy: then thats not what I asked.
[07:28] <chrismurf> jeavis, /var/www/html probably.
[07:28] <helio7> crimsun_ apt-get install yields "...is not avail... referred to by another package... may mean it's missing, oboslote or avail from antorher source... no installation candidate...
[07:28] <Amaranth> chrismurf: THis is the place for that, he needs to know where apache serves files from.
[07:28] <drgalaxy> I have built a .deb before as well
[07:28] <crimsun_> helio7: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:28] <error_29> Does anything in linux let you use all-in-wonder capture cards?
[07:28] <Amaranth> And I have no idea where that is.
[07:28] <lunitik> helio7: what were you trying to install?
[07:28] <drgalaxy> error_29 yes, but tv capture/output doesn't work
[07:29] <chrismurf> jeavis, you need to make sure that php is setup with apache as well
[07:29] <Amaranth> jeavis: I always just create a public_html dir in my home dir and then access it from http://my-ip/~username/
[07:29] <chrismurf> That will work as well, provided the server is setup to allow it
[07:29] <ions> is there a page that lists what is currently in Hoary?
[07:29] <jeavis> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[07:29] <helio7> crimsun_ installed none candidate none version table: ...
[07:29] <ions> and projected to be in Hoary?
[07:29] <jeavis> my-ip = localhost
[07:29] <lunitik> ions: no
[07:29] <ions> oh
[07:29] <ions> boo
[07:29] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: thats how i do mine also :)
[07:29] <chrismurf> jeavis, yes
[07:29] <Amaranth> chrismurf: He setup the server. :P
[07:30] <crimsun_> helio7: uh, you have warty-security uncommented, correct?
[07:30] <lunitik> ions: projected... kinda... the hoary seeds pages in the wiki
[07:30] <helio7> checking in /etc/apt/sources.list right?
[07:30] <ions> oh ok, I'm looking at the wiki now I guess I just haven't gottne that far
[07:30] <ions> thanks
[07:30] <crimsun_> helio7: yes.
[07:30] <lunitik> ions: search 'hoary' and look at the listings stating 'seed'
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cupsys/cupsys_1.1.23-1ubuntu8_i386.deb
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> 
[07:31] <Amaranth> ions: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ Go nuts. :)
[07:31] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: go there and grap it... manually install it...
[07:31] <error_29> thanks drgalaxy; its the capture/output i wanted.
[07:31] <ions> already have ;)
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: but why cant it get it ? i mean i can do it manually, but that doesnt solve the problem
[07:31] <helio7> crimsun_ i think so yes... both deb and deb-src warty-securtity main restricted are uncommented as per the guide at ubuntuguide.org
[07:31] <Amaranth> Anything that is going to make it into hoary will probably already be there.
[07:32] <crimsun_> helio7: please run sudo aptitude update
[07:32] <error_29> even BeOs managed to get AIW tv working, with a plug-in, tho' it wasn't pretty
[07:32] <jeavis> chrismurf: Thank a lot
[07:32] <helio7> crimsun_ and then attempt re apt-get module in question, correct?
[07:32] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: who knows? but chances are it won't have issues after....
[07:32] <jeavis> chrismurf: If I use php, mySQL and Apache. I can do all in /var/www/
[07:32] <crimsun_> helio7: yes
[07:32] <drgalaxy> error_29 just type 'ati linux' into google man
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: after ?
[07:33] <Pluk> da_bon_bon, did you apt-get update before?
[07:33] <helio7> crimsun_ it's dl'ing atm...
[07:33] <lunitik> error_29: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryHardwareHowto
[07:33] <Atrophy> ok I've installed GATOS... now what?
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> Pluk: twice
[07:33] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: after you fix this issue...
[07:33] <Pluk> cuz cupsys installs just fine
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: maybe !
[07:34] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: try it...
[07:34] <helio7> crimsun_ you are my hero lol (= yay i'm into gnome again... /sigh of relief... what did I do wrong to make X break??
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> Pluk: problem aint in install - it is in downloadin
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: sire
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> sure
[07:34] <lunitik> sire
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> :)
[07:34] <lunitik> uhh... ignore that... meant to type in dictionary
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: FYI, apt-get hangs at "waiting for headerS" this gives any clues ?
[07:35] <Pluk> yeah its the dowloading part cuz i can also just download the deb from the link you posted
[07:35] <crimsun_> helio7: nothing
[07:35] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: not really... because you are online...
[07:35] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: and site is up etc...
[07:36] <helio7> it was some sort of incompatibility with the kernel module and the security patches???
[07:37] <crimsun_> helio7: the kernel (linux-image-*) update necessitated a bump in the abi, which necessitated a bump in the corresponding linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:38] <Atrophy> hmm... looks grim, folks
[07:38] <error_29> Dr galaxy- i've BEEN typing "ati linux" into google for years, thank you.  Figured you geniuses had something figured out.
[07:39] <helio7> so if that happens again crimsun the simple answer is sudo aptitude-update?  and then re-download the new nvidia module?  Did this affect a lot of folks or was my case a rare aberration?
[07:39] <lunitik> error_29: I told you.... http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:39] <drgalaxy> error_29 its all right there on the first link: http://www.ati.com/support/faq/linux.html
[07:40] <crimsun_> helio7: the first thing that you should do is check if linux-image-$(uname -r) is installed, and if so, if it is up-to-date
[07:40] <crimsun_> helio7: next, check linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r); see if it's up-to-date
[07:40] <error_29> thanks lunitik.  I'm not really trying to get the vid capture working right now; I was just wondering, apropos the comments about GATOS, whether progress had been made with AIW
[07:40] <drgalaxy> this should be the topic of every irc room: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[07:40] <drgalaxy> not that I am the model follower of those instructions..
[07:41] <crimsun_> drgalaxy: we try to be very forgiving for the first couple rounds :-)
[07:41] <lunitik> drgalaxy: eh... always felt I was being rude when I pointed users there in the past
[07:42] <Atrophy> hehehe you and me both Error 29
[07:42] <Atrophy> I'm having the same problem
[07:42] <drgalaxy> lunitik feel free to PM me if you want me to tell someone about it :)
[07:42] <error_29> I keep windows running on another machine simply 'cause that's my TV!
[07:43] <helio7> crimsun_ i don't really understand the syntax $(uname -r). but is there a forum thread that delas with this? I understand in concept what you're saying but as far as me sitting down and saying "Ok commandline: check and see if something is up-to-date... what's the actual command?
[07:43] <Atrophy> how do you change it so you can graphically log in as root?
[07:43] <crimsun_> $(uname -r) tells the shell to execute the uname -r command
[07:44] <Pluk> Atrophy, sudo gdmconfig .. but do you really want to do that?
[07:44] <Atrophy> yes
[07:44] <lunitik> helio7: $(uname -r) tells bash to use the result of 'uname -r' in place of it
[07:44] <error_29> Can anybody recommend a text editor that has automatic URL highlighting (clickable links) ?  Metapad in windows does that
[07:45] <helio7> oh so man uname will tell me more about this then right?
[07:45] <Atrophy> I have to to run the GATOS-config
[07:45] <lunitik> uname just tells you about your machine
[07:45] <hbrednek> error_29: Emacs can do that if you set the mode correctly
[07:45] <lunitik> uname -r = kernel revision
[07:46] <lunitik> error_29: OO.o's Word Processor does that.
[07:46] <Atrophy> I feel your pain error 29
[07:47] <Atrophy> LOL only now I have a real tv in addition to my ATI card...
[07:47] <error_29> hbrednek, thanks, I figured Emacs could do that, but so far I haven't been able to set modes at all...
[07:48] <lunitik> Atrophy: please utilize tab key if you wish to get peoples attention   ;)
[07:48] <Atrophy> tab key?
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: as in nick completion ?
[07:48] <lunitik> Otraphy: its harder to see when its not correct
[07:48] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: yes
[07:48] <Atrophy> I'm not an IRC person
[07:48] <Atrophy> sorryz
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> Atrophy: first 3 letters of nick then TAB
[07:49] <lunitik> Atrophy: type lu[tab] 
[07:49] <|QuaD-> nick completion is great... don't know how i could ever live without it
[07:49] <error_29> I feely your pain Atrophy.
[07:49] <hbrednek> My CUPS daemon doesn't seem to allow connections from outside localhost.  Its predecessor on Knoppix handled external connections without a problem.  Is there some configuration I need to do to make this possible in out-of-the-box Ubuntu?
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> Atrophy: fuckin hell! u r on bloody windows
[07:49] <Atrophy> lol
[07:49] <Atrophy> yeah... I'm on the other side of my kvm while fixing my linux box
[07:49] <Atrophy> got a problem with that?
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> no
[07:49] <Atrophy> Piss off.
[07:49] <Atrophy> lol
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> didnt know that
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> sorry man
[07:50] <error_29> ah, that's how you do it, lunitik! Atrophy! and here I thought everyone just typed real fast
[07:50] <Atrophy> lol just kidding
[07:50] <Atrophy> anyways yeah I'm using my windoze box to keep the IRC connection alive no matter what happens to my ubuntu box
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: u r on linux-686 bah!
[07:50] <lunitik> error_29: oh we do... but we're also smart... thus, if you can type less charactors... why not do it?  :P
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> whats the DVD got ? more software, anything else ?
[07:50] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: thats what you think... you can change those replies
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: right.. i know that.
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[07:51] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: :)
[07:51] <|QuaD-> its a mystery as to waht i am on
[07:51] <lunitik> error_29: plus, some people have U53r|\|4m35 like that... no one wants to type that   :P
[07:51] <|QuaD-> actually not really
[07:51] <|QuaD-> you can figure it out :)
[07:52] <Pluk> Atrophy, sudo gdmconfig .. but do you really want to do that?
[07:52] <error_29> I wish autocomplete in the ubuntu command line thing worked the same way, lunitik
[07:53] <error_29> instead of always filling in what I don't want
[07:53] <lunitik> error_29: umm... it does
[07:53] <error_29> with tab, lunitik?
[07:53] <Atrophy> lol @ Pluk
[07:53] <Shinigami> join #religion
[07:53] <Shinigami> sorry :)
[07:54] <lunitik> error_29: it beeps if there is more than one file matching string... else it completes
[07:54] <Pluk> what Atrophy ?
[07:54] <error_29> I must be using a different thing
[07:55] <error_29> I'm talking about the mini command line you can add with "add to panel" .  I mean, the IRC autocompletion is less distracting.
[07:55] <helio7> now I just need a script to re-parse my irc file and edit out everything but people that were talking to me over the last 3 hours that helped me fix this machine so I can memorize some of what I learned... too bad I'm not a programmer or that would be a cinch
[07:55] <lunitik> error_29: env | grep SHELL
[07:55] <error_29> thanks lunitik.
[07:55] <lunitik> error_29: what does it output there?
[07:56] <kent> helio7, /lastlog yournick   (it will show only messages to you, i think
[07:56] <helio7> but seriously crimsun_ and lunitik ... thanks a million for helping me restore gnome/X to my classroom  box
[07:56] <error_29> type -- "gedit" etc, and whole file name of last files shows
[07:56] <Atrophy> well shiznit...
[07:56] <helio7> kent: hmm i'm in gaim would it matter?
[07:57] <Atrophy> umm... the gatos conf script won't work because I have x.org and not x11...
[07:57] <error_29> I'm just saying, this "first few letters then tab" way seems better
[07:57] <Atrophy> how to get GATOS to work?
[07:57] <lunitik> helio7: if you turned on logging in gaim, then they have a nice little log viewer doo-hickey
[07:58] <|QuaD-> lunitik: the one that comes standard with gaim?
[07:58] <lunitik> helio7: goes by date and everything
[07:58] <lunitik> |QuaD-: yeah
[07:58] <|QuaD-> ok :)
[07:58] <|QuaD-> lunitik: do you knwo of any gaim log statistic viewers? something that makes statistics about my logs?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: manually dnlding and install the file worked! :)
[07:58] <helio7> ok it's on now can I view it retroactively lol?
[07:59] <lunitik> |QuaD-: no, sorry...
[07:59] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: yay
[07:59] <error_29> speaking of log files, x-chat doesn't seem to give us the option to save the logs elsewhere than in the x-chat directory-- am I missing something?
[08:00] <lunitik> helio7: umm... sure... I think... heh
[08:00] <helio7> |QuaD-: stats for a log? sounds like a mmorpg parsing plugin lol
[08:00] <Atrophy> ok umm does anyone know how to get GATOS working withoug the conf-script?
[08:00] <|QuaD-> helio7: does one exist?
[08:00] <error_29> anyone using festival with x-chat?
[08:00] <lunitik> Atrophy: other than 'go get the conf-script'?
[08:00] <helio7> |QuaD-: never heard of one for IRC
[08:00] <|QuaD-> helio7: blah :)
[08:01] <helio7> |QuaD-: =P
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> anyone using festival with gaim ?
[08:01] <helio7> |QuaD-: was free associating didn't mean to mislead ya
[08:01] <lunitik> |QuaD-: cool... irssi can be pretty minimililstic too though... its kinda nice...
[08:01] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: don't think you can?
[08:01] <|QuaD-> lunitik: thats why i use it :)
[08:02] <|QuaD-> helio7: no fears ;)
[08:02] <lunitik> |QuaD-: uhh... I mean XChat
[08:02] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: whats festival?
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: havent tried..
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: festival speech synthesier
[08:02] <|QuaD-> lunitik: xchat can't be used over screen :)
[08:02] <sey> hi
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> sizer
[08:02] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: oh
[08:02] <error_29> Speech synthesis |QuaD-
[08:02] <lunitik> |QuaD-: all thats on my screen is tabs at the bottem... the text area... and the window manager...
[08:02] <sey> i am a new in ububtu chat
[08:02] <Atrophy> thanks for the smart ass answer, lunatik, but I have the script... it won't work with x.org tho
[08:02] <lunitik> |QuaD-: eh... I don't really need Screen... only one box here...
[08:02] <helio7> oh I really want to know howto connect to IRC from inside my school district's firwall... they proxy/filter all content and although I can connect to gaim with MSN/yahoo/Aim etc IRC seems totally blocked... anyone know a workaround?
[08:02] <|QuaD-> lunitik: but you can't use xchat in screen
[08:03] <Atrophy> it's trying to create/edit an x11 conf file
[08:03] <|QuaD-> lunitik: i use screen  A LOT
[08:03] <lunitik> Only one box with linux*
[08:03] <helio7> |QuaD-: you use irssi over-screen? as in translucent?
[08:03] <|QuaD-> lunitik: me too :) putty in the lab, ssh on my cell phone
[08:03] <|QuaD-> helio7: eh?
[08:03] <lunitik> helio7: no
[08:03] <lunitik> helio7: man screen
[08:04] <lunitik> |QuaD-: cheater
[08:04] <|QuaD-> lunitik: i use screen soo much
[08:04] <|QuaD-> i wish i could use a cli version of gaim :)
[08:05] <Atrophy> lol that would be interesting...
[08:05] <kengur> what's the simpliest script in bash to perform a command on all the files in a given directory?
[08:05] <lunitik> |QuaD-: I used to use it, for instance, when I couldn't be asked to start an X session, but wanted to copy and paste... but other than that, never much had a use... (gpm just made me want to hurt babies, so that was bad and stuff)
[08:06] <|QuaD-> lunitik: gpm?
[08:06] <lunitik> |QuaD-: General Purpose Mouse... use the mouse in a terminal... apt-cache show gpm
[08:07] <|QuaD-> lunitik: i don't need that :) i use a terminal for kb only access :)
[08:07] <|QuaD-> hehe
[08:07] <|QuaD-> screen does me well
[08:07] <|QuaD-> i have like 6 screens open now :)
[08:07] <adaz> hello
[08:07] <lunitik> |QuaD-: exactly... hence screen for copy and paste... cuz I know of nothing else that works so cleanly  :)
[08:07] <Amaranth> If you really like screen you might like ratpoison.
[08:07] <lunitik> Amaranth: nope
[08:08] <adaz> how can I modify the screen resolution? it doesn't offer me 1600x1200/72Hz
[08:08] <|QuaD-> lunitik: i don't follow, why do you need screen for cutting and pasting
[08:08] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: whats ratpoison
[08:08] <lunitik> Amaranth: X is for using a mouse
[08:08] <helio7> you can use screen without X?
[08:08] <Amaranth> helio7: Yes, it's in a terminal...
[08:08] <lunitik> helio7: you can't use screen with X
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> whats "screen" everyones talking about ? :-O
[08:08] <|QuaD-> helio7: you can use screen with x?
[08:08] <lunitik> umm... that came out wrong methinks
[08:08] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: what is it
[08:08] <Amaranth> lunitik: You can still use the mouse.
[08:08] <Amaranth> |QuaD-: Like screen but it's a WM.
[08:09] <Atrophy> ok guys I'm switching machines for good this time
[08:09] <Atrophy> peace out
[08:09] <adaz> In Ubuntu, how can I modify the screen resolution? it doesn't offer me 1600x1200/72Hz
[08:09] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: i don't need a wm
[08:09] <|QuaD-> i need a cli tool
[08:09] <error_29> da_bon_bon, man screen is pretty interesting
[08:09] <lunitik> Amaranth: thats what I'm saying... GNOME etc allows you to use a mouse more effectively... ratpoison is painful... screen is useful when you aren't using X...
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> adaz: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf on hoary
[08:10] <lunitik> |QuaD-: eh... Screen is a Window Manager for your terminal
[08:10] <|QuaD-> i am using screen and x
[08:10] <|QuaD-> :)
[08:10] <|QuaD-> terminal in kde
[08:10] <|QuaD-> hehe
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> XFconfig86-4 on warty
[08:10] <bur[n] er> gnome and mouse effectively?  /me still can't mousewheel on teh desktop ;)
[08:10] <Pluk> screen is a terminal multiplexor
[08:11] <|QuaD-> screen is a lot of things :)
[08:11] <adaz> da_bon_bon: thanks, and what do I change there?
[08:11] <Pluk> screen cant make coffee :(
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> am i alive
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> am i heard ?
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> plzzz reaply
[08:11] <bur[n] er> screen is my multitasking over ssh
[08:11] <adaz> I have warty
[08:11] <lunitik> bur[n] er: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4... in section "InputDevice" change whatever to 'ImPS/2' and restart X
[08:11] <|QuaD-> bur[n] er: yeah
[08:11] <bob2> da_bon_bon: please stop it
[08:11] <bur[n] er> lunitik: uhh... that won't do it
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> bob2: sorry, i thought i was dead. very sorry.
[08:12] <error_29> screen, and Emacs, and basic command line syntax is my homework for like the next five years
[08:12] <bur[n] er> it's a gnome/nautilus thing
[08:12] <lunitik> bur[n] er: uhh... why?
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> adaz: the "screen" section
[08:12] <bur[n] er> i mean mousewheel to change workspaces
[08:12] <lunitik> bur[n] er: it's doing it here  *shrug(
[08:12] <bur[n] er> like in kde/fluxbox/xfce
[08:12] <lunitik> *shrug*
[08:12] <error_29> I'd love to never use a mouse again
[08:12] <adaz> da_bon_bon: thanks, I try it:)
[08:12] <bur[n] er> lunitik: warty? or hoary?
[08:12] <lunitik> bur[n] er: ohhh... eh... bitch at jdub about that  :P
[08:12] <bur[n] er> maybe it's something new?
[08:13] <Pluk> mousewheeling the desktop rox
[08:13] <lunitik> bur[n] er: how come ctrl+alt+left/right isn't good enough?
[08:13] <bur[n] er> hehe, well, there's bug reports on the gnome bug system, and it's patched for the workspace switching applet, but havoc pennington objects
[08:13] <error_29> Synaptics touchpad in ubuntu is no fun
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> please tell me whats "screen" ...
[08:13] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: man screen damn it
[08:13] <bur[n] er> lunitik: then i gotta move my hands from the mouse
[08:13] <Pluk> whats wrong with it error_29 ?
[08:14] <error_29> da_bon_bon, please type "man screen" in a terminal
[08:14] <lunitik> bur[n] er: umm... ok
[08:14] <adaz> da_bon_bon: and how can I set what screen depth to use?
[08:14] <error_29> Pluk, it's very very , um... twitchy!
[08:14] <ells> da_bon_bon what is up
[08:14] <bur[n] er> just nitpicking ;) but it's annoying when i loved it in other wms ;)
[08:14] <helio7> wow |QuaD- & lunitik I'm trying to grok "man screen" so you can use it in standard terminal window without loading X and you can also use it within a terminal window is that correct?  if I can figure out how to copy paste without X i'll be happy indeed
[08:14] <error_29> Very hard to highlight stuff
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> lunitik, error_29: didnt realize it was a /command/ 1! how can i expect a manpage for every word.. :P
[08:15] <error_29> sorry da_bon_bon, but someone had already mentiioned 'man screen'
[08:16] <Pluk> error_29, what protocol you use for synaptic in xorg.conf?
[08:16] <JonasNZ> i fixed the grub problme
[08:16] <JonasNZ> but now i dont know what the root password is
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> JonasNZ: whats problem ?
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> Pluk: whats a synaptic protocol ?
[08:17] <JonasNZ> grub would install but i forced lba in the bios and now it works
[08:17] <JonasNZ> but now i can su
[08:17] <JonasNZ> cos i dont know the root password
[08:17] <Pluk> lol da_bon_bon, do you want to know everything of everything
[08:17] <JonasNZ> i didnt set it to anything at anypoint
[08:17] <error_29> I have done any customizing in xorg.conf, Pluk
[08:18] <error_29> complete noob here.
[08:18] <Pluk> error_29, paste ur xorg.conf here: http://nopaste.biz/
[08:19] <Pluk> maybe i can take a look at it
[08:20] <error_29> Thanks Pluk, speaking of noob questions -- when reading man pages in gnome terminal, how do I get back to the command line without killing the screen and opening it again?
[08:20] <Pluk> press q :D
[08:20] <Pluk> the q (quit)
[08:20] <bob2> error_29: ctrl-z
[08:20] <bob2> error_29: %1 to go back to it
[08:20] <error_29> thanks bob2
[08:22] <error_29> bob2, that's just giving me an error.  As I said, I need to sit down for however long it takes and learn basic bash etc commands
[08:23] <bob2> er?
[08:23] <bob2> "that" = ?
[08:23] <helio7> since we're on the topic of noob questions please remind me the typical 4-letter flag after tar when trying to unpack and install tarball?  "tar -xfvz or something?
[08:24] <error_29> I'll shut up now, just log this stuff, and figure it out when I'm more thoroughly de-windowsized
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> error_29: press Q
[08:24] <zenrox> helio7, tar -xzvf for tar.gz for tar -xjvf for tar.bz2
[08:24] <bob2> helio7: -zxvf
[08:24] <bob2> helio7: the order matters, f has to be last
[08:25] <error_29> ah hah, thanks da_bon_bon!
[08:25] <helio7> thanks (=
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> how do i configure festival to use esd on ubuntu ?
[08:25] <helio7> i'm going to write it on my arm "xzvf" i need a pneumonic lol
[08:25] <lunitik> bob2: gah... thanks... didn't know that  :)    ... I knew I would learn something useful from those %# thingers  :)
[08:25] <bob2> error_29: oh, you were asking how to quit man without killing the terminal?
[08:25] <bob2> lunitik: the -f flag tells tar what file to work on
[08:26] <error_29> yes bob2
[08:26] <lunitik> bob2: remember my head hurting last time I read about them in man bash  :)
[08:26] <entius> Hi, i have added repository  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/  but synaptic can't connect!
[08:26] <error_29> Q is it!
[08:26] <da_bon_bon> anyone got festival running on ubuntu ?
[08:26] <entius> is that repository down? or i am configuring it badly?
[08:26] <lunitik> bob2: ahhh... not that... the 'ctrl+z' and '%1' thing... using bash's cache (I think thats how they refered to it)
[08:27] <error_29> da_bon_bon, you keep reading my mind
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> error_29: as in ?
[08:27] <helio7> and bob2 when you do the ./configure part it's often ./configure usr=/bin right?
[08:27] <error_29> I'm wondering the same thing
[08:27] <bob2> lunitik: 'job control' is the usual term
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> ah, ok
[08:27] <bob2> helio7: er, no
[08:27] <bob2> helio7: --prefix=/usr/local/
[08:27] <Pluk> hmm sounds cool festival
[08:28] <Pluk> gonn try it
[08:28] <lunitik> bob2: thanks... I should look through bash's man pages more  :(   thanks for the tip though  :)
[08:28] <helio7> bob2 thanks that would apply for all installs or just most?  (I'm doing fluxbox atm)
[08:29] <error_29> There's a gstreamer plug-in for festival in Synaptic
[08:29] <lunitik> error_29: 'repos'... not only is it less charactors... but its more correct  ;)
[08:29] <bob2> helio7: you don't want to install random crap from source into /usr/
[08:29] <bob2> helio7: also, fluxbox is in Ubuntu
[08:30] <bob2> helio7: it works for most programs using autoconf, which is most programs with a ./configure script
[08:30] <bob2> lunitik: better to read a tutorial on it
[08:30] <bob2> man pages are reference material for stuff you already mostly know
[08:31] <lunitik> bob2: know of any that are fairly easy to understand? most I have read seem a little too much like programming  :)   (not that I'm not open to that, just having not programmed much, its hard to get your head around some concepts most mention)
[08:31] <helio7> bob2 fluxbox like 2years old is in ubuntu I guess that's a fairly abandoned stage... 0.9.12 is considered "fairly" stable from what i've heard and I think it's a lot different from the one in the repositories
[08:32] <bob2> it's not 2 years old
[08:32] <bob2> please don't spread silly FUD like that
[08:32] <bob2> and hoary has 0.9.9-1
[08:32] <helio7> sorry bob2 that's what I was told in #fluxbox
[08:33] <bob2> lunitik: no, sorry
[08:33] <lunitik> bob2: been meaning to look into Python too, just haven't made the time to learn
[08:33] <lunitik> bob2: its ok, thanks though  :)
[08:33] <bob2> lunitik: python is good fun
[08:33] <error_29> ubuntu installed plenty of python!
[08:34] <error_29> that's all I seemed to see scrolling down the screen, python this, python that
[08:34] <lunitik> bob2: I went to their site... looked through the tutorials... even the one for people with little to no programming experiance was complicated to me though... but its been a goal for a while... so I will get my head around it eventually  :)
[08:34] <error_29> gdesklets do neat stuff with python
[08:34] <bob2> lunitik: getting the gist of programming takes a while, but once you do, most languages aren't too hard to learn
[08:34] <bob2> python is especially easy in that regard
[08:35] <error_29> I've never gotten past "hello world" in anything, but python and ruby look appealing
[08:35] <lordan> error_29, I really recommend ruby
[08:35] <lordan> it *is* nice
[08:35] <lunitik> bob2: thats good to hear... starting to have the time now, mostly done with school... just need to get my head down and learn
[08:35] <da_bon_bon> anyone got festival running on ubuntu hoary ?
[08:35] <error_29> that's what I hear, lordan
[08:36] <lordan> that's not saying python isn't, but we all have our preferences
[08:36] <lordan> and ruby has some perlisms that make me feel comfortable
[08:37] <bur[n] er> why not stick to perl?
[08:37] <lordan> but which some others balk at
[08:37] <da_bon_bon> error_29: got festival working ?
[08:38] <lordan> i do perl as well
[08:38] <lunitik> lordan: pretty much everything (even .NET via IronPython) seems to have the ability to be extended with Python... and with EssentialPython via Ubuntu, its uses are growing all the time
[08:38] <error_29> Not yet, da_bon_bon, just marked it for download
[08:38] <lordan> lunitik, that is true
[08:38] <helio7> bob2: if you goto http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net you can download the latest "devel 0.9.12" which is "maintained also stable" or you can dl the latest stable (old, unmaintained) (v.0.14) ... if you check their archives it's "         / Fluxbox 0.1.14 released! /  2002.12.09-12:00 CET" and it's confirmed atm in #fluxbox... so I don't think it's FUD bob2
[08:39] <lordan> and as I said, I have nothing against python
[08:40] <lordan> I'm just more accustomed to the perl/ruby way of doing things
[08:40] <helio7> maybe there's someway to access it via backports, but the standard synaptic or apt-get will get you a 2year old fluxbox
[08:41] <da_bon_bon> error_29: u use synaptic ? bad!
[08:41] <error_29> da_bon_bon, I'm a noob here, I'm trying to be cautious with apt-get
[08:42] <da_bon_bon> anyone know which package provides "esddsp" ?
[08:42] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: how is the preferred method bad?
[08:43] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: polypaudio and friends (-x11 and -alsa)
[08:43] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: i am on polyp. i want esddsp to use festival
[08:43] <helio7> which package do I need to compile C++?
[08:43] <bob2> helio7: install build-essential
[08:43] <helio7> thank you bob2
[08:43] <error_29> aaargh, gnome won't let me drag a link to a document into a panel to make a launcher for it
[08:44] <lordan> da_bon_bon, works fine here..
[08:44] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: polypaudio provides esddsp
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> Lorchaos: no special configs. ?
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> lordan:
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> ^^
[08:44] <error_29> I hate the unpredictability of these panels
[08:44] <lordan> nothing special. just apt-getted polypaudio and festival
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: polypaudio is latest version for me.
[08:45] <bob2> helio7: I'm really sure 0.9.9 is not two years old
[08:45] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: then you shouldn't have issues.
[08:45] <error_29> can't drag favicons from firefox into a panel and have them work either, without editing the command
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: then festival doesnt work..
[08:45] <bob2> shockingly
[08:45] <lunitik> bob2: 0.9.9 isn't in warty though, and he is using warty I'd guess
[08:45] <error_29> what's polypaudio?
[08:45] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: cool... file a bug?
[08:45] <helio7> bob2 no it's v 0.1.4 that's from December 2002 that is the build you get via apt-get standard
[08:45] <lunitik> error_29: replaces esd
[08:46] <bob2> helio7: there is no "apt-get standard", you mean "in the warty release"
[08:46] <lunitik> helio7: he uses hoary... hoary has 0.9.9
[08:46] <helio7> yes
[08:46] <mystify> can anyone help me please?
[08:46] <error_29> thx lunitik.  Would I need to remove esd if I installed another sound server?
[08:46] <helio7> warty is what I meant
[08:46] <lordan> mystify, hard to tell
[08:46] <lunitik> mystify: only if you tell us whats wrong, deal?
[08:47] <mystify> sure, well do you know what WINE is?
[08:47] <helio7> 9.9 is 4/26/04
[08:47] <lunitik> mystify: yes
[08:47] <mystify> im having trouble installing it
[08:47] <lordan> wine is no emulation :-)
[08:47] <lunitik> helio7: cool... bother the maintainer
[08:47] <helio7> 9.12 is 1/18/2005
[08:47] <helio7> huh lunitik?
[08:47] <lunitik> mystify: what is 'trouble'?
[08:48] <Pluk> festival works ok here
[08:48] <helio7> what do you mean lunitik bother the maintainer?
[08:48] <mystify> the last step on the instructions say to dpkg -i wine*.deb as root
[08:48] <lunitik> Maintainer: Matt Hope <dopey@debian.org>   <-- send him an e-mail telling him you think he should upload 0.9.14
[08:48] <lordan> mystify, why didn't you just apt-get install?
[08:49] <mystify> i did, i think
[08:49] <lordan> ok
[08:49] <lordan> can't remember seeing a message like that
[08:49] <lordan> then again I've never tested wine since I installed it
[08:50] <lunitik> mystify: apt-get install wine wine-utils winesetuptk libwine-alsa
[08:50] <error_29> Wine downloaded fine with Synaptic.  I don't have it now, reinstalled ubuntu completely
[08:50] <membreya> back :)
[08:50] <lunitik> mystify: don't really need wine-utils or winesetuptk... but might as well get them anyways  :/
[08:50] <helio7> lol lunitik he's in fluxbox irc atm and I just was asking (=
[08:51] <mystify> im trying to install a game called enemy-territory (wolfenstien) and its not really working out i think its because of wine though
[08:53] <lunitik> helio7: umm... I'm not laughing... arguing with bob2 on the matter is worthless, gets nothing done... e-mailing him etc might  :/
[08:53] <lunitik> mystify: very probable... wine doesn't do DirectX that well
[08:53] <bob2> er
[08:54] <helio7> lunitik: if 9.9 is supported in hoary that's wonderful.. I don't see a problem that's cutting edge enough if you want more cutting edge you can compile it yourself right???
[08:54] <lunitik> bob2: er to you too
[08:54] <membreya> lunitik: isn't wolfenstein ogl?
[08:54] <bob2> flubox isn't supported in any release of ubuntu
[08:54] <lunitik> helio7: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/fluxbox/
[08:55] <lunitik> membreya: no idea
[08:55] <mystify> ok, how do i open a php file?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh my gawd this is funny.  two of my friends passed out in tahoe this weekend and had the ulitimate slide show taken of the ensuing mayhem.  http://brokenladder.com/drunk_in_tahoe.ppt
[08:56] <helio7> ok so i'm mixing my language... since I'm not a developer I'm still new to the lingo... supported versus designed for the distro is a big difference I realize...
[08:56] <bob2> why on earth would someone put that in the form of a power point presentation?
[08:56] <bob2> mystify: in what ever editor you normally edit code
[08:56] <bob2> helio7: it's not designed for it, either
[08:57] <mystify> so how do i fix this?
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> because he made it as a set of ordered slides.
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i dunno.  they work for intel so i guess they love m$
[08:57] <helio7> bob2 well maybe you could school me in the correct terminology; i defer to your expertise... I wasn't trying to cause a stir
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> but trust me, it's funny.  you can open it with open office in linux.
[08:58] <lunitik> BROKEN_LADDER: why is your username familier?
[08:58] <mystify> where do i get the correct character coding for a php file?
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i dunno..
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> cause i'm a broken ladder.
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> what do you mean?
[08:58] <error_29> more like a broken record
[08:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> how am i like a broken record?
[08:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> how am i like a broken record?
[08:59] <error_29> cute
[08:59] <lordan> uh oh
[08:59] <|QuaD-> "If you kiss your child, or your wife, say that you only kiss things which ar ehuman, and thus you will not be disturbed if either of them dies"
[08:59] <|QuaD-> how messed up is that
[08:59] <|QuaD-> hehe
[08:59] <mystify> somebody plz help me
[09:00] <neil> I'm using warty on an IBM laptop that has a US keyboard. The system language is Japanese. In Gnome I have my keyboard set to US. When I hit the ` key I get `. So far so good. When I hit shift-`, I get `. I was hoping for a ~. Everything's groovy at the console. Anyone have any ideas?
[09:00] <membreya> got a better one |QuaD-
[09:00] <membreya> "success leaves trails" :P
[09:00] <|QuaD-> membreya: i have to write a paper on this guy
[09:00] <lunitik> |QuaD-: I'm pretty sure if my wife or child died... I'd be kinda disturbed + sad  *nods*
[09:00] <membreya> |QuaD-: what guy? :|
[09:00] <|QuaD-> we are learning about this philospher in intro to ethics
[09:00] <|QuaD-> epictetus
[09:00] <membreya> lunitik: ...that's why being a sociopath is sometimes helpful :)
[09:01] <membreya> lol...teaching ethics
[09:01] <membreya> cute :)
[09:01] <|QuaD-> membreya: hehe, its a requirement, last class i NEED to graduate
[09:01] <mystify> how do i get the correct character coding for a php file?
[09:01] <aurax> hello
[09:01] <lunitik> Anyone can come up with crazy ideas, and prove a decent percent of them...
[09:02] <aurax> anyone knows why hoary with xorg doesnt support i810 video chipset ?
[09:02] <error_29> |QuaD-, if you're interested in Epictetus, you should read Tom Wolfe's novel A Man in Full
[09:02] <lordan> aurax, it does
[09:02] <|QuaD-> error_29: i DEFINITELY am not interested in him
[09:02] <|QuaD-> he has some good points.... but he is too twisted
[09:02] <error_29> Epictetus figures big in there.  good novel too
[09:02] <|QuaD-> whats man in ful labout?
[09:02] <dash> anyone here using bluetooth with ubuntu?
[09:02] <helio7> allright all; thanks for the help; respect to all who give of their time and energy helping in this channel; goodnight
[09:02] <lunitik> |QuaD-: you should be, you'll get a better grade, promise  :)
[09:03] <lunitik> helio7: goodnight
[09:03] <bob2> dash: yes
[09:03] <error_29> |QuaD-, it's kind of an epic about a tycoon in Atlanta
[09:03] <|QuaD-> lunitik: i can't be interested in everything, i htink philosphy is retarted.... there are sayers and doers.... engineers/scientists are doers (or tryers :) ) people like philosphers are just sayers, wtf do they do, they sit and write this crap
[09:03] <lunitik> Guess thats all he wanted to know?
[09:03] <dash> bob2: sweet! i am looking for the "send via bluetooth" menu option in nautilus but i am not finding it. do you have such a thing?
[09:04] <|QuaD-> error_29: a little more detail?
[09:05] <aurax> hmm
[09:05] <mystify> anybody know anything bout character coding for a php file?
[09:05] <aurax> xorg supports 845g?
[09:05] <neil> mystify: What are we talking about? Dos vs Windows or UTF-8 vs EUC_JP?
[09:06] <error_29> |QuaD-, I think you should google people like Bertrand Russel, then talk about philosophers not being doers.  And Marcus Aurelius, while your at it
[09:06] <dash> pfft
[09:06] <lunitik> error_29: you're  ;)
[09:06] <dash> what did bertrand russell ever do
[09:06] <canova> philosophers are doers too. the be-ers are the useless people
[09:06] <error_29> fuck I'm tired.  I just typed "your" for "you're"  . that's always a sign it's time to go to bed
[09:06] <mystify> say what?
[09:06] <bob2> dash: don't think so
[09:06] <|QuaD-> error_29: back in the day they were doers, people like aristotle basically defined science as it is today
[09:06] <bob2> I don't use nautilus very much
[09:06] <dash> canova: you forgot the most useless class of people, actually
[09:07] <dash> canova: "IRCers"
[09:07] <lunitik> *cough* daniels *cough* help *cough*  :P
[09:07] <canova> haha!
[09:07] <canova> g1
[09:07] <|QuaD-> error_29: but philosphy shouldn't be studying these people, it should be creating your own philosophies :)
[09:07] <bob2> if you bug daniels too much, CHI will intervene
[09:07] <lunitik> bob2: CHI?
[09:08] <|QuaD-> bob2: you told me who to talk to about the mailing list problem i was having, i forget who it was though, was it jdub?
[09:08] <lunitik> bob2: but he's so good at getting people to stop talking about offtopic subjects  :(
[09:08] <mystify> i downloaded this game called enemy-territory and it came out as a php file....im wondering where to find the correct character coding for it
[09:08] <bob2> |QuaD-: yeah
[09:08] <|QuaD-> bob2: ok
[09:08] <dash> bob2: Bummer.
[09:08] <bob2> mystify: unless the php file is hundreds of megs, I bet it download properly
[09:08] <error_29> I wish I could create my own operating system (for example) without studying anyone else's...;-)
[09:08] <mystify> it is about 245 mb
[09:08] <neil> FWIW, philosophers expand and clarify rational thought which, while not building orphanages or starting a war, is still a hell of a lot more than some MTV watching slacker does in our modern society.
[09:09] <membreya> neil: yes but at least I have a real job :)
[09:09] <helio7> eep one more thing what about configure error: flusbox requires the X Window System libraries and headers?
[09:09] <lunitik> helio7: x-dev I think
[09:09] <error_29> It seems to me that much of the math and computer logic that helps make this technology possible is tied in to the "thinking" and "doing" of many philosophers
[09:10] <neil> membreya: ;)
[09:10] <lunitik> helio7: yeah... apt-get that
[09:10] <helio7> ty ty lunitik
[09:10] <|QuaD-> error_29: there are soo many operating systems that need work.. why not work on one of them :)
[09:10] <membreya> error_29: ...philosophers dont do
[09:10] <membreya> they think
[09:10] <membreya> philosophy is the art of reflection :)
[09:11] <error_29> I was joking membreya, just at the idea that philosophers shouldn't be studied.
[09:11] <bob2> mystify: it's not php then
[09:11] <error_29> I'm no kind of software developer.
[09:11] <|QuaD-> error_29: haha :)
[09:11] <mystify> it says it is
[09:12] <|QuaD-> *love
[09:12] <umarmung> mystify, right click the file->properties and look at the mimetype.
[09:12] <lunitik> mystify: file whatever_filename
[09:13] <lunitik> mystify: Unix doesn't care about extensions
[09:13] <error_29> Hackers dissing philosophers reminds me of rock and roll fans who say they hate the blues
[09:13] <bur[n] er> w00t... mouse-wheeling on the gnome workspace switcher in hoary changes workspaces :)
[09:13] <mystify> the mimetype is applications/x-shellscript
[09:13] <umarmung> mystify, that's the correct mimetype
[09:14] <mystify> yes it is...what do i do?
[09:14] <neil> The answer to:
[09:14] <neil> I'm using warty on an IBM laptop that has a US keyboard. The system language is Japanese. In Gnome I have my keyboard set to US. When I hit the ` key I get `. So far so good. When I hit shift-`, I get `. I was hoping for a ~. Everything's groovy at the console. Anyone have any ideas?
[09:14] <neil> is:
[09:14] <umarmung> mystify, change permissions to executable, doubleclick it and chose 'execute'
[09:15] <umarmung> mystify, if everything works right, a terminal window should pop up
[09:15] <neil> The system is set for a us keyboard, gnome is set for a US keyboard, X is set for JP. Be enlightened by bretheren.
[09:15] <mystify> wow...that helps
[09:15] <mystify> haha
[09:15] <mystify> thank you SOOOOO much
[09:16] <error_29> speaking of keyboards, I want to use "us with dead keys" but it's a pain in the ass.  Not as good as Windows US-international.  Are there any alternatives out there
[09:16] <lunitik> mystify: chmod +x the_file && ./the_file
[09:16] <mystify> say what?
[09:17] <mystify> i think i got it to install now
[09:17] <lunitik> mystify: never mind then  ;)
[09:18] <lunitik> mystify: I thought you were being sarcastic on account of the use of caps
[09:20] <mystify> haha
[09:20] <mystify> thanks guys, its totally working now
[09:20] <helio7> any idea what do do if ./configure output says "could not find XOpenDsiplay in -lX11"?
[09:20] <membreya> compiling a module ..and my motherboard uses nforce 3
[09:21] <membreya> should I just enable amd and nvidia ide support and kill the rest?
[09:21] <bob2> helio7: install xlibs-dev
[09:22] <helio7> thanks bob2
[09:22] <neil> membreya: I'd just drop in the nvidia support (AMD is likely for an AMD motherboard chipset rather than the processor), but I'd compile it directly in rather than a module.
[09:23] <membreya> cool :)
[09:23] <membreya> hopefully my system still boots
[09:23] <membreya> all I want it friggin DMA for my dvd drive
[09:24] <neil> hdparam not working as it is, eh?
[09:24] <helio7> cd
[09:24] <helio7> oops wrong window
[09:24] <membreya> neil: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives operation not permitted
[09:24] <membreya> and my dmesg says ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
[09:24] <membreya> Probing IDE interface ide0...
[09:26] <neil> Gotcha. Going for the specific driver makes sense. Only one way to find out...
[09:26] <membreya> wow...there's 10gb ethernet :|
[09:26] <membreya> hah there you go
[09:26] <membreya> hmmmm where do I select the forcedeth module? (reverse engineered module for nvidia(
[09:27] <membreya> found it :)
[09:27] <membreya> its under 100mbit :|
[09:27] <membreya> liars!
[09:28] <neil> No clue. What I am waiting for is 10Gbit broadband in 2009 here in Japan. And I thought 100Mbit was good. ;)
[09:28] <neil> No clue on that module that s
[09:30] <membreya> gah isdn support
[09:31] <nubeiro> gdday ;-)
[09:31] <nubeiro> anyone with hoary on an ibook?
[09:31] <bob2> yes
[09:32] <nubeiro> great!
[09:32] <nubeiro> bob2: can you tell me which kernel are you using?
[09:32] <nubeiro> I'm on 2.6.10, with xorg, got the mini-dvi out to work
[09:32] <bob2> I was using 2.6.8.1
[09:32] <nubeiro> but still don't get it to sleep
[09:32] <bob2> 2.6.10 doesn't have the g4 sleep patch
[09:32] <bob2> nor does .11, afaik
[09:33] <nubeiro> geesh
[09:33] <nubeiro> shame
[09:33] <nubeiro> do you have it?
[09:34] <bob2> hah
[09:34] <bob2> funny story
[09:34] <bob2> I lent benh my laptop so he could get it working
[09:34] <bob2> so it came back from him with a working kernel
[09:34] <bob2> but the tests had somewhat screwed the filesystem, so I reinstalled
[09:34] <johnnybezak> you guys know those pictures that are made up of loads of little pics? anyone know what theyre called or where i could get a script for one?
[09:34] <membreya> gah
[09:35] <membreya> where's the support for i2c with nforce3!
[09:35] <membreya> stupid mofo kernel!
[09:35] <bob2> johnnybezak: montage?
[09:35] <nubeiro> bob2: so you lost it right?
[09:35] <johnnybezak> bob2: no sort of like a mosaic of small pics to make up a big one
[09:35] <bob2> nubeiro: yeah
[09:35] <poningru> mosaic?
[09:36] <bob2> nubeiro: and now it doesn't seem to build with 2.6.10
[09:36] <nubeiro> bob2: so you tried to patch 2.6.10 and it didn't build? is that right?
[09:37] <bob2> fabio did and it didn't boot for anyone, iirc
[09:37] <bob2> I'm pretty sure it's 2.6.9-only still
[09:37] <nubeiro> too bad
[09:38] <bob2> yeah
[09:43] <membreya> should I compile in ALSA?
[10:08] <caiphn> Hi, anyone bored and feel like helping out a newb?
[10:09] <|QuaD-> sure
[10:09] <|QuaD-> whats up
[10:10] <|QuaD-> just ask your questions
[10:10] <|QuaD-> don't ask if someone wants to answer
[10:10] <caiphn> Sure. Keep in mind I'm a complete newbie and have never used Linux before up until two days ago, so some of this is gonna seem pretty silly.
[10:10] <caiphn> I was going through the FAQ&Walkthrough section in the forums, and one of them said to get the kernel that was specific to your computer.
[10:11] <caiphn> As I have an AMD chip, it got the K7 Kernel, however now NDISWrapper won't load so I can't go on the net.
[10:11] <bob2> take the forum stuff with a grain of salt, tho
[10:11] <jdub> caiphn: dude, there was a time when i thought linux was a brand of dental floss. we were all beginners once. :-)
[10:11] <|QuaD-> jdub: haha
[10:11] <|QuaD-> actually, jdub i need to ask you a question about the mailing lists
[10:11] <caiphn> Is there a way I can eliminate the other other Kernels that are being shown in Grub now?
[10:11] <jdub> caiphn: uninstall them in synaptic
[10:12] <caiphn> The new ones, as I don't want them on there as I can't seem to get NDISwrapper to work with them.
[10:12] <|QuaD-> i am noticing that in digest mode, it doesn't display a Date header
[10:12] <brainv> anyone know bittorent site?
[10:12] <monoxide_> i used to think linux was a old dead OS....
[10:12] <|QuaD-> brainv: LOL
[10:12] <brainv> =] 
[10:12] <bob2> brainv: cdimage.ubuntu.com has torrents for most of the cds
[10:12] <|QuaD-> bob2: i was just about to say that :)
[10:13] <bob2> brainv: if you mean something else, you're asking in the wrong channel
[10:13] <bob2> on the wrong IRC network
[10:13] <brainv> =] 
[10:13] <brainv> probably ur right =] 
[10:13] <brainv> s/site/irc network
[10:14] <caiphn> SO I would just remove 'linux-k7' then, wouldn't I?
[10:15] <bascule> edit grub.lst
[10:15] <|QuaD-> jdub: ?
[10:16] <Terrell> I got a question, I just got an Ubuntu CD, and when I try load the CD and install it, it shows a bunch of umount errors, and then the computer reboots.
[10:16] <jouni> caiphn Do you have tested synaptic package manager?
[10:17] <caiphn> 'tested'? I have synaptic package manager.
[10:17] <caiphn> I just don't want to remove the wrong thing.
[10:18] <caiphn> I should just remove all instances of anything installed with 'k7' at the end, or..
[10:18] <bjugis> I have problems with loading X. Don't know what happend, but now it just won't start. I only get some warnings about EDID in Xorg.0.log(http://84.202.69.32/~bjugis/Xorg.0.log).
[10:18] <|QuaD-> jdub: i am going to bed now, if you have a solution to that mailing list problem, can you send me a pm to read when i wake up in the morning
[10:19] <Terrell> Any help?
[10:20] <caiphn> Well, I'll assume that's right, as I don't know what else to do. I'll tell you all how it goes ...
[10:20] <bascule> Terrell: has it actually finished installing, or does it not get going?
[10:21] <Terrell> Doesn't even get to the installer.
[10:21] <bascule> no idea then
[10:21] <Terrell> Damn
[10:21] <Terrell> Stupid computer.
[10:21] <bascule> yeah they are rather
[10:21] <Terrell> I've been having some bad problems with hard drive. =\
[10:22] <bascule> Terrell: well that may be it
[10:22] <Terrell> Well.
[10:22] <t31> someone that knows how to use the gdesklet starterbar?
[10:22] <Terrell> I got windows into it.
[10:22] <bascule> maybe not the drive then ... :)
[10:22] <Terrell> =p
[10:22] <membreya> damnit
[10:22] <membreya> got a kernel panic on my new kernel >:(
[10:23] <jdub> |QuaD-: you've described something but not indicated the problem
[10:23] <bascule> membreya: vailed to mount root VFS
[10:23] <bascule> failed*
[10:23] <membreya> bascule: yup
[10:23] <bascule> heh, forgot initrd, alternatively put your root fs type in the lerne as a * not m
[10:24] <membreya> ...what now ? :P
[10:24] <bascule> never use initrd personally, so if it's ext3 make sure you have it 'hardwired'
[10:24] <bascule> rebuild it ...
[10:24] <membreya> oh :)
[10:24] <membreya> gotcha
[10:24] <membreya> make ext3 as inbuilt
[10:24] <membreya> not as a module :)
[10:24] <shock> hmm... how do i rip to mp3 - not ogg?
[10:24] <bascule> or do mkinitrd <something or other>
[10:25] <shock> :/
[10:25] <bascule> shock: use grip and tell it to use lame not ogg enc
[10:25] <shock> k - thx
[10:25] <bascule> membreya: yup that is it
[10:26] <membreya> bascule: I'm going to need to go thru everything again ?
[10:26] <membreya> or does it save what I had?
[10:26] <membreya> in the src directory
[10:26] <bascule> nah just that bit, dont make mrproper and it should have .confog saved
[10:26] <bob2> why are you building a kernel to begin with?
[10:26] <bascule> config
[10:26] <membreya> bob2: because DMA is not active for my cd drive
[10:27] <bascule> caiphn: don't play with those please
[10:27] <membreya> and on an amd64 3200+ dvd's look like crap
[10:27] <bob2> caiphn: please don't do that
[10:27] <membreya> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda says operation not permitted
[10:27] <caiphn> bascule: I wasn't playing, I just typed in /ping #ubuntu.. I was just wondering why no one was responding, seeing if there was some lag.
[10:27] <bob2> membreya: as root, right?
[10:27] <bascule> root
[10:27] <membreya> bob2: yup
[10:27] <membreya> want the strace? :P
[10:27] <bob2> no
[10:28] <bob2> caiphn: just don't do it, please.  thanks.
[10:28] <jouni> caiphn Synaptic, sections base-system linux-image???k7 I guess. I am still beginner
[10:28] <bascule> is it SATA?
[10:28] <bob2> there's no need to ever do it.
[10:28] <membreya> bascule: ATA
[10:28] <caiphn> Gear down, sorry, big friggin' deal.
[10:28] <bascule> :-/
[10:28] <membreya> only my harddrive is SATA
[10:28] <membreya> dmesg says
[10:28] <bob2> wow
[10:28] <bascule> SATA hard drive, yes that is what I meant ...
[10:29] <membreya> Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
[10:29] <membreya> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
[10:29] <membreya> Probing IDE interface ide0...
[10:29] <bascule> hdparm won't function on SATA
[10:29] <membreya> bascule: yes it's a SATA HDD ...120gb western digital..going to get another 200gb and make my system fully ubuntu
[10:29] <bascule> it is compleetelt different
[10:29] <bascule> hdparm won't function on SATA
[10:29] <membreya> bascule: I'm hdparm -d1 /dev/Hda <--- notice hda
[10:29] <bascule> OK
[10:30] <bascule> <-- never used SATA, I assume that is /dev/sda
[10:30] <membreya> bascule: that's the one :)
[10:30] <membreya> bascule: strace of my hdparm http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/something.txt :)
[10:31] <bascule> membreya: it isn't using SCSI emulation is it
[10:31] <membreya> it's using sata_nv for the sata drive :)
[10:32] <bob2> membreya: do you have ide-scsi loaded at all?
[10:32] <bascule> 14109 access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[10:32] <bob2> ignore that
[10:33] <membreya> bob2: only ide modules loaded are ide_generic, ide_disk, ide_cd, ide_core
[10:34] <bascule> what about p11x or similar for your chipset?
[10:34] <bascule> piix rather
[10:34] <bob2> don't you need a chipset-specific module to get DMA working?
[10:34] <bascule> yes
[10:34] <membreya> bob2: hence the recompile
[10:35] <membreya> I'm recompiling it with nforce drivers
[10:35] <bob2> er
[10:35] <bob2> that doesn't require a recompile
[10:35] <bascule> maybe you could just modprobe it off the original kernel, don't see why it wouldn't be there
[10:36] <membreya> bob2: how would I get it to automagically load ?
[10:36] <bascule> ok nForce drivers it needs then, kernel source and off you go ...
[10:36] <bascule> /etc/modules.preload
[10:36] <bascule> or /etc/modules
[10:36] <bascule> or something similar
[10:37] <membreya> /lib/modules?
[10:37] <bascule> put it in /etc/modules, then it gets loaded at boot
[10:37] <bascule> well it will end up there any way I presume
[10:38] <bascule>  /lib/modules that is
[10:42] <membreya> hmmm another thing is ..I run an amd64...my kernel is amd-64-generic..should I run that or amd-64-k8?
[10:43] <bascule> depends on th nforce drivers really
[10:43] <bascule> if they will build k8, sure, if no ...
[10:43] <membreya> i think I will just do the recompile
[10:43] <membreya> fun and learning experience :)
[10:44] <bascule> using a straight tar.bz2 or ubuntu source?
[10:45] <knite> my warty box is fubar..  :((((
[10:45] <membreya> tar.bz2 from repo's
[10:45] <membreya> 2.6.10-3
[10:45] <bascule> OK
[10:46] <bascule> <-- recoils from distro source builds, just a ...thing...
[10:46] <knite> halfway through booting up the kernel, random colorful characters fill the screen, and the computer freezes
[10:46] <bascule> cool!! :))
[10:46] <AcidWolf> just installed ubuntu on my Apple G4 powerbook and it runs beutifuly
[10:46] <ernstp> daniels, you were really quick with fglrx 8.8.25, what's up with 8.10?
[10:46] <AcidWolf> has KDE been released to run on it
[10:46] <bascule> knite: try using vga=normal as a oot option
[10:47] <bascule> *boot option
[10:47] <ernstp> knite, of video=vesafb ?
[10:47] <ernstp> or
[10:47] <knite> bascule: hmm... i don't htink I've messed with the vga setting, so I don't know why that might be wrong.  i'll try that tho
[10:48] <knite> I recently updated my kernel through synaptic...  maybe that was the culprit..
[10:49] <bascule> it is
[10:49] <bascule> nVidia card?
[10:49] <shock> hey - does anyone know a WM where I can run a terminal at absolute fullscreen (no borders) and still have a menubar at the bottom (battery life, time, desktop)
[10:50] <bascule> some funky Eterm flags might do it
[10:50] <knite> it's an old video card..
[10:50] <knite> maybe a geforce2 gts?
[10:50] <bascule> Eterm --borderless -geometry(damn,big) etc ...
[10:50] <bascule> knite: nVidia and framebuffer is often a problem
[10:50] <bascule> unless it gets compiled in hard
[10:51] <knite> does warty use framebuffer by default?
[10:51] <bascule> and *never* tnt
[10:51] <bascule> yes
[10:51] <knite> i see..
[10:51] <knite> vga=normal will disable fb use?
[10:52] <bascule> rivafb is a real killer for anything nVidia not riva ...
[10:52] <bascule> yup
[10:52] <knite> alright, that's my best lead so far then.  it seems odd tho that this crops up after a kernel upgrade (same kernel version, different package number)
[10:52] <membreya> bascule: ...do you think maybe I should go with 2.6.11?
[10:53] <bascule> If you want, I couldnt get nvidis 6211 to go with it though, so ...
[10:53] <shock> ah... screw mp3's ... long live abcde!!!
[10:53] <shock> *grrr*
[10:53] <membreya> bascule: what RC?
[10:53] <bascule> 4
[10:54] <bascule> no patches
[10:54] <bascule> 2.6.10-ac12
[10:54] <bascule> my current
[10:54] <membreya> hrm...anyway to see hardware supported in 2.6.11 rc4?
[10:55] <bascule> same as 2.6.10, and another couple ;)
[10:55] <membreya> I wanna know if nforce3 is supported
[10:55] <bascule> nvidia.com
[10:55] <membreya> since the modules only go to nforce2 in 2.6.10
[10:55] <bascule> foruns are usually worth a search
[10:55] <bascule> forums*
[10:56] <bascule> ah I never knew that, well that is again nVidia, not kernel people, they are proprietry
[10:57] <bascule> or are there nForce drivers in the kernel?
[10:57] <membreya> nForce drivers in the 2.6.10 kernel..but only for nforce3
[10:59] <bascule> certainly no ATA DMA drivers
[10:59] <membreya> #$!@#!@
[10:59] <membreya> gah!
[10:59] <bascule> no nForce drivers in there at all, just i2c and cpufreq
[11:00] <membreya> *sigh* the i2c
[11:00] <membreya> is it nforce 2 or 3?
[11:00] <bascule> never got it to work personally, maybe try again soon
[11:00] <bascule> 2
[11:01] <WeeTee> Hello
[11:01] <WeeTee> I'm having trouble with sound in Ubuntu. It worked in warty, but stopped when I updated to hoary
[11:01] <WeeTee> Anyone have ideas how to start debugging it?
[11:02] <bascule> lsmod
[11:02] <bascule> alsamixer
[11:02] <bascule> /etc/modules.conf
[11:02] <bascule> ls -l /dev/snd/*
[11:02] <jeavis> How I can put my emacs in php mode
[11:02] <WeeTee> Well.. I think that everythings as it should be..
[11:02] <bascule> polypaudio?
[11:03] <WeeTee> I'll try that
[11:03] <bascule> some folk have had problems with it
[11:03] <AcidWolf> anyone able to get kde running on Ubuntu
[11:04] <shock> jup
[11:04] <shock> here
[11:04] <shock> but i strongly dislike kde
[11:04] <shock> :P
[11:04] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[11:04] <bascule> masochist then ... nice :)
[11:04] <AcidWolf> why whats it run like
[11:04] <shock> too much windows-advanced feeling :P
[11:04] <AcidWolf> oh
[11:04] <shock> :P
[11:04] <AcidWolf> how did you get it running
[11:04] <shock> no seriously kde is pretty awesome
[11:04] <AcidWolf> and what gui are you using now
[11:05] <shock> right now Im using gnome
[11:05] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[11:05] <shock> but im looking for something slimmer
[11:05] <bascule> xfce4
[11:05] <AcidWolf> but you have got the option to switch to kde whenever you like
[11:05] <shock> so kde is out of the question
[11:05] <WeeTee> lsmod shows about 10 lines of snd_ modules
[11:05] <bascule> .me jumps up and down waving a flag
[11:05] <AcidWolf> yeah xfce i love
[11:05] <AcidWolf> but i cant find it for ubuntu
[11:05] <shock> no xfce is too much wannabe-not-slim
[11:05] <shock> :P
[11:05] <shock> xfce is in universe
[11:05] <AcidWolf> :p
[11:05] <bascule> WeeTee: /dev entries?
[11:05] <AcidWolf> is it
[11:05] <shock> jup
[11:05] <AcidWolf> ok so then seeing as this is only a 30 min old install
[11:06] <AcidWolf> im going to have to add a few things to /etc/apt config
[11:06] <WeeTee> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116,  0 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/controlC0
[11:06] <WeeTee> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 24 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c
[11:06] <WeeTee> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 16 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[11:06] <WeeTee> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 25 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D1c
[11:06] <WeeTee> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 26 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D2c
[11:06] <WeeTee> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 27 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D3c
[11:06] <WeeTee> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 20 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/pcmC0D4p
[11:06] <bascule> yikes
[11:06] <WeeTee> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 33 2005-02-23 11:25 /dev/snd/timer
[11:06] <AcidWolf> or sources rather
[11:06] <WeeTee> Sorry for flooding :)
[11:06] <shock> yes
[11:06] <socketbind> eww :D
[11:06] <shock> hold on
[11:06] <bascule> /dev/dsp
[11:06] <bascule> /dev/mixer
[11:06] <tga> WeeTee: better do an /exec -o find /dev
[11:06] <bascule> lol
[11:07] <socketbind> anyone using sun java 1.5 on ubuntu?
[11:07] <WeeTee> _ /dev/dsp exists, same rights as those above
[11:07] <socketbind> err on warty?
[11:07] <bascule> groups returns ...?
[11:07] <Amaranth> socketbind: I am.
[11:08] <WeeTee> group: command not found :)
[11:08] <socketbind> amaranth: do you experience extreme delays when the browser plugin loads?
[11:08] <Amaranth> oh, not on warty
[11:08] <bascule> s <------
[11:08] <Amaranth> I don't uset the browser plugin.
[11:08] <Amaranth> s/uset/use/
[11:08] <socketbind> well i need it
[11:08] <socketbind> i develop applets too
[11:08] <socketbind> it's getting on my nerves, it is very slow
[11:08] <Amaranth> I know the flash plugin lags like hell. I suppose the Java one probably would too.
[11:09] <WeeTee> bascule, my user is in group audio, if that's what you meant
[11:09] <socketbind> hmm flash plugin is ok at me
[11:09] <Amaranth> really?
[11:09] <bascule> WeeTee: yes
[11:09] <Amaranth> mine skips and jerks when i try to play flash games with it
[11:09] <socketbind> yes, it's feels a little fast
[11:09] <socketbind> heh strange
[11:09] <bascule> I really don't know then, one last dirty nasty hack to see if it soundcard or daemon:
[11:09] <WeeTee> bascule, What's bugging me is that sound worked fine in warty
[11:09] <bascule> turn the volumes up ...
[11:10] <WeeTee> They are..
[11:10] <socketbind> the other thing i wonder why all games bail out in gnome
[11:10] <bascule> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[11:10] <socketbind> i think the culprit is the sound server
[11:10] <bascule> get ready with control c
[11:10] <Amaranth> damn, bascule beat me to it
[11:10] <socketbind> afaik gnome uses esd?
[11:10] <bascule> heh
[11:10] <Amaranth> socketbind: in warty, yes
[11:10] <WeeTee> Whoa! It printed it..
[11:10] <socketbind> hoary uses another amaranth?
[11:10] <bascule> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp printed something?
[11:11] <WeeTee> Yeah. Random chars
[11:11] <socketbind> well the other thing I never managed to set up dmix without drawbacks
[11:11] <bascule> you put the > in ...
[11:11] <Amaranth> socketbind: hoary uses polypaudio
[11:11] <WeeTee> I think so :)
[11:11] <WeeTee> I'll try again
[11:11] <socketbind> huh, never heard of it
[11:11] <socketbind> is it because gnome 2.10 changed esd to that?
[11:12] <WeeTee> Ok, I probably didn't.. Now it works, but no sound :(
[11:12] <bascule> sound card then, got aumix ?
[11:12] <WeeTee> No
[11:12] <socketbind> well the funny thing is, this is the only distro that handled esd properly for me
[11:12] <bascule> does alsa mixer have any mutes marked
[11:13] <socketbind> weetee what kind of card do you have?
[11:13] <bascule> or say [Off]  at the top of the entry
[11:13] <WeeTee> Line, Mic, Mic boost, IEC958, PC Speaker are muted
[11:13] <bascule> but that is all
[11:13] <socketbind> WeeTee: mute IEC Capture Valid and Capture Monitor
[11:13] <WeeTee> I'm on a laptop.. The sound card is Intel 82801DB-ICH4 according to Alsamixer :)
[11:13] <socketbind> if there is one named like that
[11:14] <WeeTee> socketbind: I'll see, just a sec
[11:14] <BezNalogov> Can anybody tell me if Ubuntu supports sata? I have a Seagate SL3200822AS
[11:14] <bob2> of course
[11:14] <WeeTee> There are IEC958, which is off and
[11:14] <BezNalogov> Well, for other distro's it's not "of course", I just can't get it working there
[11:15] <WeeTee> IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA, which is on
[11:15] <WeeTee> ...but didn't have volume there..
[11:15] <WeeTee> I'll see if that was the problem
[11:15] <WeeTee> Nope
[11:15] <socketbind> no capture valid or capture monitor?
[11:16] <WeeTee> Well.. I'm in playback view in Alsamixer. They'd be somewhere else?
[11:16] <socketbind> last time i've seen some workarounds for these stupid ac'97/iec958 cards in geexbox
[11:16] <socketbind> what card do you have weeteee?
[11:17] <WeeTee> socket, Intel's integrated
[11:17] <YankDownUnder> Anyone install XFce4.2 on Hoary?
[11:17] <socketbind> WeeTee: snd-intel8x0?
[11:17] <WeeTee> socketbind: Alsamixer says Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[11:17] <socketbind> then it should be snd-intel8x0
[11:18] <socketbind> it's the proper driver for ICH4 chipsets
[11:18] <WeeTee> socketbind: Yeah, that's loaded in lsmod
[11:18] <socketbind> including this piece of cr*p like mine :D
[11:19] <bascule> I have ICH5, same thing though
[11:19] <socketbind> WeeTee: did you read this? http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=intel8x0
[11:19] <bascule> how about snd-pcm-oss
[11:19] <WeeTee> I'll go read that
[11:20] <WeeTee> bascule, It's loaded too
[11:20] <bascule> k
[11:20] <socketbind> well maybe this isn't the correct docs weetee just a sec, sry
[11:20] <bascule> yeah, /dev/dsp and /dev/audio wouldn't be there otherwise
[11:21] <socketbind> well funny last time i've seen it had a bunch of workarounds, maybe it wasn't this
[11:21] <bascule> WeeTee: if you try to play something with xmms or rhythm box, does it say no sound or what evre, or does it think it is playing
[11:22] <xukun> ist normal that I dont have a loop device in worthy
[11:22] <xukun> ?
[11:22] <bascule> modprobe loop
[11:22] <socketbind> well at the first time when I tried to make work my card that uses the same driver as you, i gone mad playing with muting everything, and I found that muting those two will make the sound work
[11:22] <socketbind> but you haven't got em
[11:22] <bascule> mental ...
[11:22] <bascule> acpi is my next culprit
[11:23] <bascule> apic rather
[11:23] <socketbind> apic support on my mobo is rather buggy for me too
[11:23] <WeeTee> bascule: Just a sec, I'll try to find something to play in rhythmbox.. So far I've tried to play the sounds in the Gnome Sounds preference dialog :)
[11:23] <bascule> why did thel let that happen ... :(
[11:23] <xukun> sudo mount -o loop debian.img /mnt/
[11:23] <xukun> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[11:23] <bascule> modprobe loop
[11:23] <xukun> any idea's?
[11:23] <bascule> modprobe loop
[11:23] <schasi> ho
[11:24] <bascule> :))
[11:24] <socketbind> sudo -s H / cd /dev / MAKEDEV loop / modprobe loop ?
[11:24] <bascule> modprobe loop
[11:24] <bob2> er, no
[11:24] <bob2> socketbind: not on Ubuntu
[11:24] <bascule> puts the loop module in the kernel
[11:24] <socketbind> maybe the module isn't making the correct device files
[11:24] <bob2> udev makes the device node whe nyou load it
[11:24] <socketbind> ok bob2, i was a lapdog of redhat before :D
[11:24] <xukun> bascule, thanks a lots that works
[11:24] <socketbind> used to the feeling that nothing works :D
[11:25] <bascule> np
[11:25] <xukun> bascule, where can I add loop so its always loaded?
[11:25] <schasi> Why is array 4 in the topic if there exists an array 5 cd?
[11:25] <bascule> /etc/modules
[11:25] <WeeTee> bascule: Rhythmbox says "Could not open resource for writing"
[11:25] <socketbind> ew
[11:26] <bascule> or some hotplufg thing I forget, on ubuntuguide.org I think
[11:26] <bascule> WeeTee: hmmmmmmmmmm
[11:26] <bascule> groan
[11:26] <bascule> whine
[11:26] <bascule> mutter
[11:26] <WeeTee> Hm. Topic flood :)
[11:27] <schasi> Good
[11:27] <YankDownUnder> bob2: No adverts for SLUG? Dang...
[11:27] <WeeTee> Maybe I should just try to randomly mute different combinations and see if some of them works :)
[11:27] <schasi> I just "gave back to the community" ;-)
[11:27] <socketbind> maybe wrong privileges?
[11:27] <socketbind> or it is used my another app
[11:27] <socketbind> lsof | grep dsp ?
[11:27] <socketbind> something is sitting on it maybe
[11:27] <bascule> good point that
[11:27] <membreya> hmmm bascule
[11:28] <membreya> just got some weird info
[11:28] <membreya> from hdparm :|
[11:28] <WeeTee> socketbind: That returned nothing
[11:28] <bascule> membreya: what have I done too it .. :)
[11:28] <membreya> lol nothing
[11:28] <bascule> WeeTee: depmod -ae
[11:28] <socketbind> WeeTee: i did the same thing, though i have a SiS7012 (sadly)
[11:28] <WeeTee> socketbind: Priviledges should be ok, I'm in group audio
[11:28] <membreya> but if I do a hdparm /d /dev/hda I get ...
[11:28] <membreya> /dev/hda:
[11:28] <membreya>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[11:29] <WeeTee> FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/modules.dep.temp for writing: Permission denied
[11:29] <bascule> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[11:29] <bascule> WeeTee: as root/sudo
[11:29] <membreya> if I do a hdparm -i /dev/hda I get
[11:29] <membreya>  Model=PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108, FwRev=1.18, SerialNo=
[11:29] <membreya>  Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic }
[11:29] <membreya>  RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
[11:29] <membreya>  BuffType=13395, BuffSize=64kB, MaxMultSect=0
[11:29] <membreya>  (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
[11:29] <membreya>  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
[11:29] <membreya>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
[11:29] <bascule> ahhhhhh
[11:29] <membreya>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[11:29] <membreya>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma4
[11:29] <membreya> signifying that it's using udma4 :|
[11:29] <membreya> soz :P
[11:29] <WeeTee> bascule: No output
[11:29] <bascule> signifying the BIOS has it as UDMA4 I tink ...
[11:29] <socketbind> holy ***
[11:30] <socketbind> ehm
[11:30] <membreya> and hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives Operation Not Permitted
[11:30] <socketbind> WeeTee: you shoudln't get any output :D
[11:30] <WeeTee> :)
[11:30] <bascule> I'm clutching WeeTee
[11:30] <socketbind> did polypaudio made it to replace sound server in gnome?
[11:30] <bascule> yup in hoary
[11:31] <socketbind> hmm nice
[11:31] <socketbind> esd in warty for me is quite laggy
[11:31] <bascule> nicer thatn that other thing .. :)
[11:31] <socketbind> :D
[11:31] <bascule> esd sucks totally
[11:31] <socketbind> should i switch to polypaudio?
[11:31] <bascule> DVDs are unwatchable
[11:31] <membreya> hdparm -t shows the speed at 3.48mb/s
[11:31] <WeeTee> I wonder if polypaudio has some configuration, and theres something wrong there..
[11:31] <bascule> yes
[11:31] <socketbind> because it's getting on my nerves too :D
[11:32] <socketbind> well, i love to screw up my distro so i have nothing to lose :D
[11:32] <bascule> WeeTee: thing is the cat /dev/usrandom thing should bypass all that software stuff
[11:32] <WeeTee> Ah, yeah..
[11:32] <socketbind> oh yes, bascule, it is completely backwards compatible with esound huh?
[11:32] <bascule> socketbind: shouldn't ber to hard, tracking downa nd eliminating all traces of esd start up will be fun
[11:32] <WeeTee> Just a sec, I'll try to plug in some speakers, in case there's something wrong with the builtin ones
[11:33] <bascule> socketbind: seems to bew
[11:33] <socketbind> what modules should I fetch? all what's available?
[11:33] <bascule> might as well ... :))
[11:33] <socketbind> polypaudio, polypaudio-alsa clients , x11 etc
[11:34] <bascule> yup all those
[11:34] <bascule> gstreamer ...
[11:34] <bascule> if there are any
[11:34] <WeeTee> Nope. Nothing..
[11:34] <socketbind> 488kb? huh it's rather little
[11:34] <bascule> or just goto hoary and be done with it ..
[11:34] <bascule> ;P
[11:35] <socketbind> well it says esound will be removed
[11:35] <bascule> good start
[11:35] <socketbind> well i think esound was the culprit of games bailing out in gnome
[11:35] <socketbind> what's the name of the daemon?
[11:36] <socketbind> under what name I should see it?
[11:36] <bascule> WeeTee: try /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[11:36] <bascule> polypaudio
[11:36] <bascule> there will be a conf in /etc/
[11:36] <socketbind> ehm
[11:36] <WeeTee>  * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1221: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing'.  [ ok ] 
[11:37] <WeeTee> Ah, I din't sudo..
[11:37] <socketbind> WeeTee: as sudo/root! :
[11:37] <socketbind> :D
[11:37] <WeeTee> Damn, keep forgetting that :)
[11:37] <bascule> ooooh well threr si an interesting return
[11:37] <WeeTee> Ok.. Now it went fine
[11:37] <bascule> any sound?
[11:37] <socketbind> well issuing polypaudio & as root gave me a little console
[11:37] <WeeTee> Silent as ever
[11:37] <bascule> it should just demonize when run
[11:38] <delltony> just curious anyone here code with php-gtk by chance?
[11:39] <WeeTee> Polypaudio is running..
[11:39] <OrangeSlice> I didn't know php even /had/ gtk extensions o_o
[11:39] <Amaranth> OrangeSlice: They don't get used much.
[11:39] <bascule> WeeTee: polypaudio didn't complain ...???
[11:39] <Amaranth> I wonder if they released their fully OOP PHP 5 version yet.
[11:39] <bascule> lsof /dev/dsp
[11:39] <WeeTee> nope
[11:39] <Amaranth> It was waiting on PHP 5 and GTK 2. Guess which one took too long. ;P
[11:39] <WeeTee> No output
[11:39] <monoxide_> no, but i had a quick look at perl and gtk once
[11:40] <bob2> OrangeSlice: it's oh-so-wrong
[11:40] <delltony> well i have this gnome 2.10 program written that will allow you to gui add menus but i have one small problem with it i can't get the field to update on button click
[11:40] <OrangeSlice> I really don't see much... point
[11:40] <bascule> WeeTee: this is horrible.
[11:40] <bob2> OrangeSlice: some people only "know" php
[11:40] <WeeTee> bascule: Yep..
[11:40] <bascule> do you have a /proc/asound/
[11:41] <OrangeSlice> rare enough to see php used for anything other than dynamic web content
[11:41] <WeeTee> bascule: Yes
[11:41] <bob2> some people do system scripting with it
[11:41] <OrangeSlice> but you don't "see" that :p
[11:42] <bascule> and it has things like this in it
[11:42] <bascule> card0  cards  devices  ICH5  modules  oss  pcm  seq  timers  version
[11:42] <WeeTee> Yes
[11:42] <WeeTee> Something just told me: " Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating."
[11:42] <bascule> :-/ soooooo annnnnoyyyyyyyyiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnng
[11:42] <bascule> polyp I htink
[11:43] <WeeTee> Well, maybe I'll just live without sound..
[11:43] <bascule> i couldn't
[11:44] <WeeTee> Me neither, but I still have Windows :P
[11:44] <socketbind> howdy, it doesn't really want to daemonize bascule, simply issuing polypaudio starts it ok, gives me a console, but if I issue polypaudio -D it isn't in the process list and doesn't works
[11:44] <bascule> you have a /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[11:44] <bascule> socketbind: hmmmm
[11:45] <OrangeSlice> mmm sound
[11:45] <WeeTee> bascule: Yes
[11:45] <bascule> WeeTee: looks like everything is OK except it isn't
[11:45] <WeeTee> bascule: Yeah.. That's what bugs me too :)
[11:46] <socketbind> ehm any idea?
[11:46] <WeeTee> Why isn't alsaconf there anymore?
[11:46] <bascule> ask the devels
[11:46] <WeeTee> :)
[11:46] <bascule> it is buggy and uneccessary I believe was what was said
[11:47] <bascule> :))
[11:47] <erlend> has anybody experienced that nautilus just stops working in warty ? ps ax gives me that it is running alright, but nothing happens in gnome
[11:48] <WeeTee> Well, I'll stop trying for the time being.. Thanks for the help, bascule and socketbind
[11:48] <bascule> np, but don't ask me again .. :)
[11:48] <WeeTee> :)
[11:48] <bascule> I really have seen toooooo any in here
[11:48] <socketbind> np :D hope you will get it working :D
[11:48] <WeeTee> I'll report back if I do :)
[11:48] <socketbind> i had a bunch of problems with my card too
[11:49] <socketbind> now it works 100% out of the box with all major distros which is kind of funny
[11:50] <socketbind> well 98% in any other, microphone wasn't correctly set up only in ubuntu :D
[11:50] <socketbind> geez dude, i love debian :D
[11:50] <bascule> yeah that driver had a comment in the kernel source saying "This driver is cursed" I think the move to ALSA sorted it out
[11:51] <socketbind> bascule: any thoughts about daemonizing this thing?
[11:51] <socketbind> i like it because it seems to be speedy
[11:51] <bascule> polypaudio --dump-conf
[11:52] <socketbind> 1 means true? :D
[11:52] <bascule> yup
[11:52] <socketbind> :D
[11:52] <bascule> so if you run it it should work, but j=killall esd first
[11:52] <socketbind> geez i do coding in c all day but i always forget :D
[11:52] <socketbind> apt did removed esd bascule
[11:52] <bascule> heh
[11:52] <bascule> ah OK
[11:53] <bascule> wonder what else went out
[11:53] <socketbind> i tend to use TRUE, FALSE macros
[11:53] <bascule> TRUE=1 FALSE=0 ?
[11:53] <socketbind> so i alway forget that anything bigger than 0 is true
[11:53] <socketbind> oh yeah
[11:53] <bascule> declared like that
[11:54] <socketbind> yes
[11:54] <socketbind> geez i daemonize=1 and it still doesn't daemonize
[11:54] <socketbind> it still doesn't works and it isn't in the process list
[11:55] <bascule> lsof is blak I take it
[11:55] <bascule> blank
[11:55] <socketbind> well there should be docs about properly setting it up
[11:55] <socketbind> blank?
[11:56] <socketbind> oh yes idle time
[11:56] <bascule> http://rafb.net/paste/results/qmajlW39.html
[11:56] <bascule> look like that?
[11:57] <socketbind> just minor differences
[11:57] <socketbind> should i merge it with mine?
[11:57] <bascule> maybe, see I run hoary and it just wrks, I dunno about warty using it
[11:57] <socketbind> eh i've got 0.51
[12:01] <t31> hi im hoary man, someone knows how to change when the windows minimize in groups? is the thing i hated the most in winXP
[12:02] <socketbind> geez now i totally killed it
[12:02] <socketbind> what is the command in apt-get to reinstall stuff?
[12:03] <balor> socketbind: to reinstall or reconfigure?
[12:04] <socketbind> invalid operation both, balor
[12:04] <balor> socketbind: to reconfigure "dpkg-reconfigure pkgname" to reinstall "apt-get remove pkgname" theen apt-get install again
[12:04] <socketbind> i messed up my config
[12:05] <socketbind> i love the feeling
[12:05] <balor> socketbind: You generally don't have to reinstall to fix a config problem...that's windows think.  What's your problem?
[12:05] <bascule> powercut, my fault ..
[12:05] <socketbind> balor: totally messed up config file of polypaudio
[12:06] <socketbind> only the 0.5 version of polypaudio is available for warty :(
[12:07] <bascule> build it :)
[12:07] <_the_1_> hi
[12:07] <bascule> hey
[12:08] <kroon> Anyone else having problem with hoary kernel 4 + nvidia ?
[12:08] <bascule> yes
[12:08] <bascule> I gave up
[12:09] <kroon> ok, yeah, I've reverted to 3
[12:09] <_the_1_> guys, it's been a long time since I installed ubuntu (It worked till I wanted to upgrade to hoary), and I'm kind of stuck. I forgot the command for enabling the bytecode interpreter for my fonts? Anyone care to help me?
[12:09] <balor> socketbind: sorry..I know nothing about polypaudio.  I use alsa directly
[12:10] <_the_1_> anyone?
[12:10] <bascule> _the_1_: there is a new one, I just saw it 1.0.6629ubutu21
[12:10] <bascule> kroon: ^
[12:10] <_the_1_> a new what?
[12:10] <socketbind> well it would be ugly as hell but should i compile the newest one and install on the top of the already installed 0.5?
[12:10] <socketbind> of course it was installed with apt
[12:10] <socketbind> and if i want to remove polypaudio it says it will remove ubuntu-desktop which i doesn't want
[12:10] <socketbind> just to reinstall it because i like it, reconfiguring didn't made it better
[12:10] <bascule> _the_1_: sorry
[12:10] <socketbind> screwed up config in /etc
[12:11] <socketbind> with dmix?
[12:11] <linuxboy> what would be the best kernel to install on my PIII?
[12:11] <bascule> 686
[12:11] <_the_1_> please guys, just tell me what was that command..
[12:11] <socketbind> oh yes, should i switch to a 686 kernel image?
[12:12] <bascule> sure
[12:12] <kroon> bascule, yeah that was the one I was using, I think it appeared yesterday
[12:12] <socketbind> apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[12:12] <linuxboy> bascule: cool. thought so
[12:12] <bascule> kroon: OK
[12:12] <_the_1_> I wouldn't bother you with this, but google seems to be more of a mess from one day to another
[12:12] <bascule> kroon: I'll put the new on in and have a go, bib
[12:13] <kroon> bascule, good luck
[12:13] <bascule> ta
[12:13] <socketbind> geez when i get this working will be the best day of my life
[12:14] <_the_1_> is anyone here that knows how to enable cleartype in ubuntu?
[12:14] <socketbind> cleartype is kinda m$ tech, i doesn't know the equivalent in linux
[12:14] <Neil3> rgb hintinh
[12:14] <socketbind> it should be there
[12:14] <Neil3> hinting even
[12:15] <Neil3> its in the gnome font config
[12:15] <Neil3> desktop preferences, fonts
[12:15] <_the_1_> I know, but freetype hinting is not so good on my laptop, that's why I want to enable the bytecode interpreter
[12:15] <Neil3> then click 'subpixel smoothing'
[12:15] <Neil3> looks great on this lcd imo
[12:16] <Neil3> if you click details you can tweak it a lot
[12:16] <_the_1_> what is the command to reconfigure the fonts?
[12:17] <_the_1_> a few months ago someone helpful here told me the command and I used it to enable the bytecode interpreter on my warthy
[12:17] <_the_1_> however, I forgot it and I just installed hoary
[12:17] <_the_1_> I might be wrong, but it was something like fontconfig-something
[12:17] <_the_1_> not sue
[12:17] <_the_1_> sure
[12:19] <_the_1_> guys, if you don't know, just tell me so..
[12:20] <Neil3> i don't know ;)
[12:21] <_the_1_> people used to be more helpful last time I was around...hope #ubuntu doesn't become #debian in the near future...:(
[12:21] <socketbind> MSN Serivce Error Temporary Unavailable
[12:21] <socketbind> LOL
[12:22] <Delgul> Openoffice.org2 in hoary has no functional java at the moment? Is that correct?
[12:22] <_the_1_> anyway...there could be that #ubuntu will become #debian, since ubuntu IS debian!
[12:22] <_the_1_> hahaha
[12:22] <_the_1_> ;)
[12:22] <Delgul> Evil 1 :-)
[12:22] <HcE> _the_1_: wild guess, but tried ~ > sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[12:23] <_the_1_> HcE: YOU ARE THE MAN
[12:23] <_the_1_> that was it!
[12:23] <HcE> _the_1_: increase your history in your shell ;)
[12:23] <HcE> I have it to 3M lines
[12:23] <HcE> s/it/set it/
[12:23] <_the_1_> my brain is reconfiguring command priority in available memory...
[12:24] <HcE> aha
[12:24] <HcE> _the_1_: ctrl+r and type fontconfig;)
[12:24] <_the_1_> :D
[12:25] <_the_1_> guys, what's with the bitmmaped fonts? do you use them?
[12:26] <HcE> I use the thing for LCD
[12:26] <_the_1_> I could disable them...since I guess they don't scale good
[12:29] <_the_1_> does anyone know how kubuntu is progressing?
[12:30] <_the_1_> it might draw more people to ubuntu, since not everyone is fond of gnome..
[12:30] <_the_1_> however it is sad that developer resources would go on that and not on ubuntu
[12:31] <_the_1_> always a downside...
[12:32] <Amaranth> _the_1_: Open Source software doesn't have people that you can just assign to a task and give them a deadline. If people want to work on KDE and not GNOME and related things they wouldn't work on Ubuntu at all if KUbuntu didn't exist.
[12:33] <Amaranth> At least this way the base stuff from Ubuntu gets more testers.
[12:33] <Amaranth> Wow, that sounded harsh...
[12:35] <_the_1_> Amaranth: they could work on other stuff, not kde in particular. On different apps, ironing out bugs, and then the ubuntu devs would not have to do that themselves, they could focus on the DE and integration, etc
[12:36] <Amaranth> _the_1_: You don't understand. With Open Source people don't get paid so they work on what they want to work on. Like I said since KUbuntu is Ubuntu based (obviously) at least some of the low level stuff gets more testers.
[12:36] <Riddell> _the_1_: it's progressing.  there are minimal canonical developer resources applied to it
[12:36] <Riddell> Amaranth: people are paid to work on Ubuntu
[12:37] <Amaranth> I know.
[12:37] <shock> anyone here use enlightenment ?
[12:37] <shock> under powerpc?
[12:37] <shock> :P
[12:37] <Amaranth> But KUbuntu will allow people who want KDE to use Ubuntu which will get more testers.
[12:37] <_the_1_> Amaranth: You mean to tell me that the ubuntu devs are not paid devs? Where does Shuttleworth's money go then?
[12:38] <Amaranth> _the_1_: I doubt all the people working on either one of the two are paid by Canonical.
[12:39] <_the_1_> Amaranth: so kubuntu is a rogue project and is not coordinated in any way by canonical?
[12:39] <bascule> kroon:
[12:39] <bascule> no luck
[12:39] <Amaranth> _the_1_: See what Riddell said.
[12:39] <tjs> I need some help with a problem, and I have very little info to go on
[12:40] <bascule> thing is now, I have 2.6.10-3, but I can only see kernel sources for 2.6.9 and 2.6.11
[12:40] <_the_1_> Amaranth: ok..I missed that message
[12:40] <bascule> cause I was gonna try a manual buil of nvidia
[12:40] <Amaranth> I don't know what "rogue project" is supposed to mean though.
[12:41] <tjs> I baught a new dell inspiron 9200 about a week ago, I installed ubuntu, upgraded to hoary, it ran well for about two days, now it just hangs totally after about a minute
[12:41] <tjs> it lasts a bit longer in failsafe mode
[12:41] <_the_1_> rogue would mean if a bunch of devs who are not affiliated with ubuntu would want to take the ubuntu base and add kde on top
[12:41] <bascule> a fork
[12:41] <tjs> enough time to investigate logs etc.. there is nothing indicitive of the problem in syslog or messages
[12:41] <_the_1_> bascule: thanks
[12:42] <bascule> np
[12:42] <tjs> its not X, or the wireless card (which I thought at first)
[12:42] <_the_1_> gotta go, I have to restart X and check the new fonts! ;)
[12:43] <bascule> good luck
[12:43] <tjs> I updated the kernel from 2.6.8-1 to 2.6.11-1, still halgs
[12:43] <_the_1_> see you guys and thanks for your help
[12:43] <tjs> er.. hangs
[12:43] <Amaranth> tjs: The entire system hangs?
[12:43] <tjs> totally
[12:43] <tjs> cant even alt-sysreq b
[12:44] <Amaranth> Try booting the kernel with noinotify
[12:44] <tjs> how do I do that?
[12:44] <Amaranth> edit your grub config file or do it from the grub boot menu
[12:45] <regebro> Hi all! Loads of my gnome apps say:  WARNING **: Failed to lock:  No locks available four times when starting upp, with a half a second delay between each.
[12:45] <regebro> Anybody know what that means? I have the feeling it's causing some delay when starting the apps.
[12:46] <tjs> okay booting without inotify
[12:47] <tjs> is the 686 kernel appropriate for a pentium M (whatever that is)
[12:47] <jdub> yes
[12:47] <Amaranth> 686 is good for p2 and up
[12:47] <tjs> cool
[12:48] <regebro> what does "rc-update add nfs default" mean?
[12:49] <sys2> you people dont have a cvsup package? :/
[12:50] <tjs> er.. it seems to be holding up with noinotify
[12:50] <tjs> I'll give it a minute
[12:50] <karim> hi
[12:50] <karim> I plan to upgrade debian to ubuntu
[12:50] <regebro> sys2: No.
[12:50] <karim> I am doing what is in the wiki, however there is broken deps in hoary
[12:50] <regebro> depending on what you mean with "you peopl". I don't. ;)
[12:51] <sys2> well the distro
[12:51] <tjs> Amaranth: doh, it just hung again
[12:51] <Amaranth> tjs: No clue then, that was just a guess.
[12:52] <tjs> okay, thanks
[12:52] <Vaijira> Hi
[12:52] <Vaijira> i have and ibook and i've upgraded to hoary but a lot of icons has dissapeared, any idea?
[12:53] <jdub> Vaijira: known bug on ppc atm
[12:53] <seb128> rm -f /usr/share/icons/*/icon-theme.cache
[12:53] <sjoerd> Vaijira: sudo find /usr/share/icons -type d -exec touch {} \;
[12:53] <regebro> sys2: Hm. Apparently not. It's not in the package manager anyway.
[12:53] <sjoerd> seb128: bah, that's ugly :)
[12:54] <bascule> linux-tree-2.6.11 <-- do I need that or just the linux source, I'm not rebuilding
[12:54] <seb128> sjoerd: that works (tm) :)
[12:54] <sys2> sigh
[12:54] <bascule> linux-headers-2.6.11-1-686 <-- or them
[12:54] <sjoerd> seb128: true
[12:54] <sys2> first its a broken stupid dhcp client .. then i cant install my local package but have to force install from my old distro over to this one ... then the packages i need dont exist
[12:57] <Vaijira> thx
[12:57] <karim> is there a way to downgrade a package without having to uninstall everything that depends of it ?
[12:58] <karim> I just want to replace a package
[12:59] <shock> hello - i have a problem here
[12:59] <regebro> I hate when I seem to be the only one in the world to have a specific computer problem. :-(
[12:59] <shock> anyone using enlightenment on powerpc?
[12:59] <shock> cause it crashes my X
[12:59] <will> is it easy to change my /home dir to hdh1 / (its own partition)
[12:59] <shock> regebro - I know the feeling
[12:59] <shock> yes @ will
[12:59] <shock> fairly easy
[01:00] <shock> er
[01:00] <shock> no wait
[01:00] <shock> WHAT do you want to do?
[01:00] <shock> have / be your home O_o
[01:00] <will> shock is it simply to copy everything to the drive hdh (reiserFS) then specify it in fstab as home?
[01:01] <shock> basically - but it cant be / and /home at the same time
[01:01] <will> my home now is /home and i want to move it to hdh1
[01:02] <will> no sorry i did not mean to write that! (hdh1 / )
[01:02] <will> well what would the correct 'options' be for the new line in fstab?
[01:02] <regebro> Ah, then you move it where you want it, and mount that new place as /home.
 well what would the correct 'options' be for the new line in fstab? mom
[01:03] <will> regebro: are there any special options i should use
[01:03] <shock> .../dev/hda6       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[01:04] <shock> well not hda6 ofc
[01:04] <shock> ;)
[01:04] <will> /dev/hdh1	/home		reiserfs		0	0
[01:04] <shock> u forgot the "defaults"
[01:04] <will> /dev/hdh1	/home		reiserfs	defaults	0	0
[01:05] <will> if there is already data there it wont get destroyed i hope? (all my music!)
[01:05] <ICU> are there any limitations on max connections per minute/10 minutes to rsync://archive.ubuntu.com?
 should be ok
[01:06] <shock> I'll try enlightenment again
[01:06] <shock> brb
[01:07] <will> shock: thanks for all the helP! will be back soon
[01:07] <schasi> any germans here?
[01:07] <xx> hello ? i am new in IRC :-) but i need some info for Ubuntu?
[01:07] <bascule> apt-get install gkrellm
[01:07] <bascule> wrong window
[01:08] <bascule> :)
[01:08] <johnnybezak> xx hi
[01:09] <xx> i need help about ... install process in east europe languales?
[01:10] <eazel7> hi, I'm tring to compile koffice cvs, but I cannot because I get a message telling me that KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[01:10] <eazel7> I have autoconf 2.59 installed, how can I fix that?
[01:10] <sap> i want to mount my usb external hard disk as a normal user (w/o using sudo). i have defaults,user as the options in /etc/fstab, but mount /mnt/usb gives 'mount: must be superuser to use mount'.
[01:11] <sap> i can mount samba shares without using sudo, so i have perms to use mount.
[01:12] <shock> shite!
[01:12] <shock> enlightenment wont work :(
[01:12] <shock> *sniff*
[01:12] <bascule> are you in shock shock?
[01:12] <schasi> ;-)
[01:12] <will> hi when i sudo cp /home/will/ /mnt/temp i get
[01:13] <shock> why?
[01:13] <will> cp: omitting directory `/home/will/'
[01:13] <schasi> woa i own #ubuntu.de
[01:13] <shock> O_o
[01:13] <Amaranth> will: sudo cp -R /home/will /mnt/temp
[01:13] <bagan_jermal> what's sudo?
[01:13] <membreya> ooo bascule new version of the kernel released :D
[01:13] <will> Amaranth: oops of course!
[01:13] <bascule> omnipotence enaler
[01:13] <shock> superuser do -- execute something with root privileges
[01:13] <membreya> 2.6.10-5 :P
[01:14] <bascule> membreya: have you been to see nVidia about it yet?
[01:14] <membreya> bascule: I've posted on the forum
[01:14] <membreya> I can see info
[01:14] <bascule> #nvidia
[01:14] <bagan_jermal> shock: thanks
[01:14] <membreya> and it basically says I need to install amd module
[01:14] <membreya> but that's for nforce2
[01:14] <will> shock: do i have to remove any references to /home being on my first drive before i mount it on hdh1 ?
[01:14] <membreya> ooo good thinking 99!
[01:16] <membreya> oh bascule..do I need to download the source to compile a new kernel or just the tree?
[01:17] <bascule> no idea, I asked that 10 minutes ago .. :))
[01:17] <bascule> OK 21 minutes ago
[01:19] <membreya> bascule: removing the source..will find out :P
[01:20] <membreya> nope
[01:20] <membreya> removing the source also wants to remove the tree :)
[01:20] <rvdb> Hi there, any using an ibook and succesfully using vga out???
[01:21] <Vaijira> rvdb, mmm with ubuntu or in general?
[01:22] <rvdb> i've installed ubuntu hoary on an ibook dual usb (ati rage 128 m3) but i understand it is a general problem...
[01:22] <bascule> membreya: that means kernel sources need abput 90MB in total ...
[01:22] <Vaijira> i have an m3 or an m7 i dont remember well and it worked with a patch a m3mirror
[01:22] <membreya> joy huh bascule ? :P
[01:23] <bascule> man that is sooooo in efficient
[01:23] <Vaijira> rvdb, do you know the programa m3mirror ?
[01:23] <bascule> s/ /
[01:23] <will> it worked!
[01:23] <membreya> hmmm if I go back to /usr/src/linux....do i just need to do another make menuconfig? all my old details should still be there right ?
[01:23] <membreya> hmmm I so need to establish a local caching proxy :|
[01:23] <membreya> but another day!
[01:24] <rvdb> vaijjira, yes i downloaded the m3mirror binary and it does switch off my internal lcd, but still nothing on the external vga (only when starting up)
[01:24] <membreya> hrm...do I need to keep headers on my system for any particular reason ?
[01:25] <Vaijira> rvdb, i applied a patch last time i need vga support in my ibook, currently with ubuntu i don't know if it works or no
[01:25] <xx> hello, has anyone started cyrillic installation?
[01:26] <photoguy41> does anyone know of a good ebook irc room??
[01:26] <rvdb> vaijira, i've seen patches for 2.4 but not for 2.6
[01:27] <Vaijira> rvdb, i'had got the hope that it would run well with 2.6 kernels :)
[01:27] <Vaijira> rvdb, you broke my hopes D:
[01:27] <membreya> oooo vIkSiT you look like a cluey guy :D
[01:28] <AcidWolf> whats the best app under Ubuntu to play dvd's with
[01:28] <rvdb> vaijira: hmmm i never dared to apply a 2.4 patch to a 2.6 kernel, in fact i have only once before build a kernel myself and i'm not too fond of the experience
[01:30] <shock> oh god! if anyone has a clue as to why enlightenment (16.6-3ubuntu1) crashes my x - please query me :( - getting desperate
[01:31] <regebro> OK; so I finally figured it out: Gnome requires exclusive file locking over NFS. Now how the heck to I enable it. Anybody know?
[01:34] <Andy_> is Wine part of "warty"?
[01:35] <pybe-laptop> Andy_: i expect its in the universe
[01:37] <Andy_> pybe_laptop: err...ok heres the deal..i wanna install a game under wine (4 discs)..as i have never used winex can you tell me what command i would use?
[01:39] <error_29> Using metacity in gnome, warty getting this with x-chat: "Unable to set transparent background!You may be using a non-compliant window manager that is not currently supported."  Any ideas?
[01:39] <error_29> I'm sure transparency worked before
[01:43] <photoguy41> has anyone else had trouble installing mplayer from the apt-get?
[01:43] <photoguy41> it says package brokem
[01:43] <photoguy41> n
[01:44] <Underlord> i need to install gstreamer0.8-mad, but it has dependencies on things which are on the system, but since the version names contain ubuntu# on the end (# being whatever number) apt seems to think its not the right version and refuses, if i force it everything works great but aptget gets pissed off and wont install any other packages without automaticaly removing gstreamer0.8-mad! how do i fix?
[01:45] <kirkt> hey all. im trying to get kde for hoary array 5
[01:45] <kirkt> i did basic 'server install', and then ran apt-get for the night
[01:45] <kirkt> it downloaded all the packages, and got stuck on some timeout
[01:46] <kirkt> i can't tell if it did the job, but now everything is screwed
[01:46] <kirkt> apt-get install kde puts out some error lines (kde depends on: ... but package wont be installed)
[01:46] <kirkt> also apt-get clean doesnt seem  to remove anything
[01:47] <kirkt> aptitude seemed to ignore this, but didnt install either
[01:47] <kirkt> can anyone tell me how to reverse the damage?
[01:47] <Riddell> kirkt: what's the error?
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> file-roller opens .rar files ?
[01:48] <kirkt> "the following packages have unmet dependencies"
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: which package ?
[01:48] <Goshawk> Underlord, are you using warty or hoary?
[01:48] <kirkt> "kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed" etc etc
[01:48] <kirkt> a list of about 10 of those
[01:48] <kirkt> but i can clearly recall aptget downloaded every and each of those
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: well, use synaptic
[01:49] <kirkt> i'm doing this thru text
[01:49] <kirkt> i did a base server-install so i wouldn't need to waste time / HDD installing gnome
[01:49] <Riddell> kirkt: apt-get install kde-core?
[01:50] <kirkt> Riddell that spits out another 3 packages
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: Riddell is right
[01:50] <kirkt> with same error
[01:50] <Underlord> i believe warty
[01:50] <dripchip> hi there someone familiar with the rpm tool alien ??
[01:50] <Riddell> kirkt: which packages?
[01:50] <dripchip> im trying to install vmware under ubuntu
[01:51] <dripchip> but its an rpm packager
[01:51] <kirkt> arts, kdebase, kdelibs
[01:51] <sh1m> So I have a question regarding ssh on my (very shiney) new Warty install
[01:51] <pybe-laptop> dripchip: alien -i rpmpackage.rpm
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> sh1m: shoot
[01:51] <Underlord> Goshawk, my install cd says 4.10, bim pritty sure its warty
[01:52] <jdub> kirkt: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-base kubuntu-desktop
[01:52] <kirkt> i tried install kdebase, then it gave me lots of errors again
[01:52] <sh1m> when I ssh into some of the sparcs servers at work I can't use clear commands and vi gives me an error about not knowing which terminal i'm on
[01:52] <kirkt> jdub: you sure kubuntu is safe ? i heard they have many problems
[01:52] <pybe-laptop> da_bon_bon: fileroller will do rar if you have unrar installes
[01:52] <jdub> (yikes that installs a lot)
[01:52] <jdub> kirkt: kubuntu is the kde packages
[01:53] <Riddell> kirkt: what are the errors when you install kdebase?
[01:53] <sh1m> I had a scan through the ssh man page but it all seems pretty much like what I am used to, so I can't figure out what's up. Seems pretty slow too, the terminal that is even with compression on
[01:53] <kirkt> Riddell: oh... too many to count.. with some  = { blahblah } synthax
[01:53] <kirkt> many programs
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> pybe-laptop: i have it installed
[01:53] <Underlord> Goshawk, yep, its warty, i stuck the cd in my drive, in the /dists/ directory i see a warty directory but no hoary
[01:53] <kirkt> jdub: i read in a forum that some user did the kde install and it went fine for him
[01:53] <pybe-laptop> da_bon_bon: should work then
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: why use kde, in the first place.
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> pybe-laptop: it did. thanks.
[01:54] <Riddell> kirkt: it's hard for me to work out the problem without knowing what the error message is
[01:54] <pybe-laptop> da_bon_bon: =)
[01:54] <kirkt> jdub: however i read in kubuntu forum, that they got still lots of issues
[01:54] <pybe-laptop> kirkt: http://pastebin.com
[01:54] <kirkt> da_bon_bon: for i18n.. qt has better support
[01:54] <Riddell> there's a kubuntu forum?
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> apt-get dist-upgrade shows certain packages to upgrade but updtae-manager does not - why ?
[01:54] <jdub> kirkt: if you're installing kde packages from hoary, you are installing kubuntu
[01:54] <kirkt> Riddell: its some sort of forum in the ubuntu site
[01:54] <kirkt> really jdub?
[01:55] <kirkt> when i did apt-get kde
[01:55] <kirkt> it went and got me the kubuntu packages ?
[01:55] <jdub> kirkt: no, i am just saying it to confuse you (of course it is)
[01:55] <jdub> dude
[01:55] <Riddell> kirkt: is this hoary or warty?
[01:55] <jdub> kubuntu *is* kde
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> isnt update-manager a gui frontend based on synaptic for apt-get dist-*\upgrade ??
[01:55] <kirkt> Riddell hoary array 5
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> jdub: u the same as jdong on the forums ?
[01:56] <jdub> no
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> ok
[01:56] <kirkt> ok then how do i remove the 220mb the apt-get downloaded
[01:56] <kirkt> (apt-get clean) doesnt work
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: dont remove it.
[01:57] <shock> oh well.. screw enlightenment, then
[01:57] <shock> *grml*
[01:57] <pybe-laptop> kirkt: apt-get clean all
[01:57] <kirkt> kubuntu-base: Depends kde  but it is not going to be installed =(
[01:57] <ctr> good affternoon, how can I, by hand setup networking
[01:57] <kirkt> jdub: see the error ?
[01:57] <ctr> the machine never boots the networking stuff correctly
[01:57] <pybe-laptop> ctr: man ifconfig
[01:58] <kirkt> [kubuntu-desktop: Depends kde  but it is not going to be installed]  that is
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: apt-get install kubuntu
[01:58] <Underlord> ooooh, i fixed it, nvm, i was loading a hoary repository from warty
[01:58] <kirkt> couldnt find package kubuntu
[01:59] <da_bon_bon> oh, sorry
[01:59] <ctr> pybe-laptop: where are the setup scripts and the settings read from ?
[01:59] <ctr> pybe-laptop: I know how to use ifconfig
[01:59] <Riddell> I don't recomment kubuntu-desktop currently
[01:59] <pybe-laptop> ctr: iirc /etc/networking
[01:59] <da_bon_bon> how do i install the "suggested packages" told by apt-get ?
[01:59] <ctr> ok
[01:59] <kirkt> Ribs what can i do to get kde then
[01:59] <kirkt> Riddell
[01:59] <shock> question: what is the slimmest, nicest and hastes wm?
[01:59] <shock> fastest
[01:59] <shock> :P
[02:00] <kirkt> shock try XFCE
[02:00] <pybe-laptop> shock: fluxbox
[02:00] <Riddell> kirkt: apt-get install kdebase and tell me what the error is
[02:00] <pybe-laptop> shock: XFCE4 from backports is really nice
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> pybe-laptop: on warty ?
[02:01] <pybe-laptop> da_bon_bon: yes in ubuntu backports
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> pybe-laptop: ah, ok..
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> how do i install the "suggested packages" told by apt-get ?
[02:01] <kirkt> kdebase: depends : kappfilter (>= 4:3.3.2-1ubuntu6
[02:01] <kirkt> ) but it is not going to be installed
[02:01] <pybe-laptop> da_bon_bon: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:02] <kirkt> Riddell there are about 20 of those
[02:02] <shock> fluxbox - hm... might go for that
[02:02] <da_bon_bon> pybe-laptop: i know. i am on hoary.
[02:02] <pybe-laptop> da_bon_bon: either copy and paste them or iirc there is a setting to install them by default as if they were deps
[02:02] <shock> xfce4 ... dunno - maybe without the panel - wich is f*ugly
[02:03] <pybe-laptop> shock: change the theme/icons etc
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> pybe-laptop: whats iirc ? and i know how to add repos. of backports.
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> pybe-laptop: and i dont need backports coz i am on hoary
[02:03] <pybe-laptop> da_bon_bon: iirc = if i remeber correctly
[02:03] <kirkt> Riddell: actually, nothing would install (i just tried xfce)
 - tried... the panel remains ugly, clumsy-looking
[02:03] <shock> :P
[02:04] <shock> but thats a personal opinion
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: u have a thing or two against GNOME really, dont you ?
[02:04] <pybe-laptop> shock: try fluxbox them
[02:04] <pybe-laptop> s/them/then
[02:04] <Riddell> kirkt: how about kdelibs?
[02:04] <kirkt> da_bon_bon: yes.. it just doesnt provide that many applications for my native language, and the group who develop the language support for my language do it mainly on kde
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: which lang. ?
[02:05] <shock> yeah... i will... as soon as my rip is done
[02:05] <shock> :P
[02:05] <kirkt> Riddell: depends kdelibs4 but it is not going to be installed ...
[02:05] <kirkt> da_bon_bon: hebrew
[02:06] <regebro> Truly, I can NOT believe that I was the only one to have that file locking problem.... DAMN it was hard to find!
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: oh ok.
[02:06] <regebro> But easy to fix: Remember this y'all: If you use nfs you should install the nfs-common package. It's not required for nfs, but you NEED it.
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> regebro: thanks. why not write it up on the wiki ?
[02:07] <kirkt> Riddell: should i kill the partition and try again for another 5 hours ? =|
[02:07] <regebro> Good idea da_bon_bon-
[02:07] <Riddell> kirkt: and when you apt-get install kdelibs4?
[02:08] <Echylo> yay
[02:08] <kirkt> not available but has been refered by another package ....
[02:08] <Echylo> my provider gives away a free game
[02:08] <Echylo> every month from now on
[02:08] <Echylo> :D
[02:08] <kirkt> packages kdelibs4 has no installable candidates
[02:10] <photoguy41> what codec pack do i need for divx?
[02:10] <Riddell> kirkt: now that is bizare
[02:10] <Riddell> kirkt: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list?  universe?
[02:10] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: ah, well.. your bad day!
[02:10] <kirkt> Riddell: i've removed the # mark from all lines
[02:10] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: bad idea.
[02:11] <kirkt> i've left the restricated off
[02:11] <kirkt> i think
[02:11] <photoguy41> can someone tell me?
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: enable /all/ repos
[02:11] <kirkt> da_bon_bon in the process of solving this i enabled, disabled, enabled.. etc
[02:11] <kirkt> all repositories
[02:13] <kirkt> ok i enabled all repos
[02:13] <kirkt> and ran the commands Riddell told me so far
[02:13] <kirkt> same results
[02:14] <JDigital> Hey, anyone know why my avi files aren't playing too well? I get an error of the type "Your system is too SLOW to play this!"
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: your sources.list must be like this - http://rafb.net/paste/results/xvt2D318.html
[02:14] <Riddell> kirkt: done apt-get update?
[02:15] <regebro> da_bon_bon: Where do you think it should be on the Wiki? FAQs?
[02:15] <Riddell> JDigital: sounds like your system is too slow
[02:15] <membreya> well here goes for round #2 of kernel making :)
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> regebro: FAQs
[02:15] <JDigital> It's 1.25GHz
[02:15] <JDigital> I'd have assumed that to be enough
[02:15] <JDigital> to play a 640*480 video
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> membreya: u r compiling your own kernel
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> ?
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> regebro: make your own page - NFS
[02:15] <JDigital> although, I had trouble of video skipping in Windows too
[02:15] <JDigital> except when I used Winamp
[02:15] <JDigital> oddly
[02:16] <kirkt> da_bon_bon im checking
[02:16] <JDigital> must be my graphics card not set right
[02:16] <JDigital> or sound maybe
[02:17] <kirkt> da_bon_bon except for the last lines it is the same
[02:17] <regebro> da_bon_bon: Nah, I'll put it up under common problems, really. "install nfs-common" is not something you could call an NFS FAQ or Howto,exactly. ;)
[02:17] <kirkt> i think i just kill the install and thats it
[02:17] <kirkt> too much time wasting
[02:18] <regebro> Besides, I want to introduce the error message in a natural way.
[02:18] <kirkt> i'll dd the disk when base install is finished and then i could try again and again
[02:18] <kirkt> instead of running whole install again
[02:18] <kirkt> too bad i cant just fix the dependency hell that aptget created
[02:19] <JDigital> Ah, it's only when I do -fs -zoom (full screen)
[02:19] <JDigital> wonder why that is
[02:20] <JDigital> too much graphics at once? Too much CPU used to stretch it?
[02:20] <photoguy41> can someone help me get divx avi's working?
[02:20] <kirkt> lol
[02:21] <kirkt> i just read a some people told a guy to RTFM
[02:21] <JDigital> There's a page about it on the wiki
[02:21] <kirkt> and he told them 'why do fucking have to do with ubuntu'
[02:21] <JDigital> install mplayer
[02:21] <photoguy41> i did
[02:21] <JDigital> o
[02:22] <JDigital> install the mp3 support
[02:22] <photoguy41> ive installed all the codecs
[02:22] <JDigital> odd
[02:22] <JDigital> mplayer plays everything for me
[02:22] <photoguy41> i tried to install a skin, but nothings working
[02:22] <JDigital> use gmplayer
[02:22] <JDigital> it's mplayer with buttons and stuff
[02:22] <photoguy41> gmplayer?
[02:23] <JDigital> also have you tried searching in the website yet
[02:23] <JDigital> gmplayer is an alias for mplayer
[02:23] <photoguy41> yeah
[02:23] <JDigital> but with controls
[02:23] <JDigital> hm, worked for me
[02:23] <JDigital> except video fulllscreen is laggy
[02:23] <JDigital> my computer isn't that underpowered, is it?
[02:23] <photoguy41> when i run mplayer (filename), it only plays a sec of sound and no video
[02:24] <photoguy41> then quits
[02:24] <JDigital> odd
[02:24] <JDigital> have you tried othe files
[02:24] <JDigital> other
[02:24] <photoguy41> no
[02:24] <photoguy41> when i run it in totem, it plays the sound but no video
[02:24] <JDigital> same here
[02:24] <JDigital> which is why I use mplayer :)
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: still, just copy paste
[02:24] <photoguy41> yeah, figures
[02:25] <kirkt> da_bon_bon: im just gonna do it again and save a snapshop of the base install to a CD
[02:25] <kirkt> this way i'll play safe
[02:25] <kirkt> (its only 300mb)
[02:26] <kirkt> da_bon_bon besides i'm running hoary, this paste is warthy
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> kirkt: its not warty
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> its hoary
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> i am on hoary too
[02:28] <kirkt> i see.. well ok when the install would finish i'd put that in
[02:28] <kirkt> thx
[02:28] <membreya> da_bon_bon: yup compiling my own
[02:29] <da_bon_bon> membreya: why ?
[02:30] <bretzel> Hi all :-) I see .../hoary/array-5 is finally set 8-)
[02:30] <Nermal> boop
[02:31] <membreya> da_bon_bon: clean things up and get the right modules loaded
[02:31] <membreya> plus ive been running a week
[02:31] <membreya> time to screw it up
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> membreya: ah, ok.. what clean up ? are your hand compiled kernels faster ??
[02:32] <membreya> never tried da_bon_bon :P
[02:34] <photoguy41> grrrrr linux can be so screwy somtimes
[02:34] <Echylo> lol
[02:37] <da_bon_bon> bye a
[02:37] <da_bon_bon> all
[02:37] <da_bon_bon> cya later
[02:43] <nanomad> it's saf to upgrade ubuntu at this time?
[02:43] <njan> nanomad, didn't break for me(r)
[02:43] <nanomad> thx
[02:44] <tritium> nanomad, should be quite safe.  We're post feature freeze now on Hoary.
[02:46] <apokryphos> Does Ubuntu install OpenGL somewhere peculiar? I've got all the GL packages/libs from the repository, but don't seem to have a /usr/lib/libGL
[02:46] <Xappe> hmm, getting lockups when logging into gnome with the new 2.6.10-4-k7
[02:47] <tritium> apokryphos, look for your xlibmesa-* packages
[02:47] <tritium> and use dpkg -L to list their contents
[02:48] <JDigital> Aha. My CPU maxes out when I mplayer something fullscreen
[02:48] <JDigital> Anyone know why?
[02:48] <evarlast> JDigital: mplayer uses software resizing.  Mine does the same thing.
[02:49] <JDigital> Figures.
[02:49] <JDigital> Is mplayer inefficient CPU-wise or the like?
[02:49] <apokryphos> tritium: Hm, yeah, I seem to have all the necessary stuff there. This is really weird. Should it not install things to /usr/lib/libGL?
[02:49] <JDigital> Or is my 1.25Ghz machine too slow?
[02:49] <apokryphos> tritium: Since, that's where this install is looking for it (in the make)
[02:49] <evarlast> JDigital: I don't really know.  I only know of hte problem :(
[02:50] <JDigital> :(
[02:50] <JDigital> I've had video skips under Windows too. The only video player that's never given me problems is Winamp
[02:50] <JDigital> so I'm guessing maybe it's more efficient
[02:50] <johnnybezak> guys i want to set up mail so that i can use the mail program to send emails to my actual email rather than just to my user, I wrote the email in /etc/aliases, and ran newaliases, so I think thats setup. I just need to know where I write in my smtp address so that the mail can be sent. where is the config file for this?
[02:51] <Goshawk> is there soemone that uses gnomebaker here?
[02:51] <tritium> apokryphos, there is stuff in /usr/lib
[02:52] <tritium> dpkg -L xlibmesa-gl shows that libGL.so.1 is in /usr/lib, for example
[02:53] <apokryphos> Hm, so it is.
[02:53] <tritium> apokryphos, if you're building stuff, you probably want xlibmesa-dev package
[02:54] <apokryphos> tritium: I've got the Mesa OpenGL utility library development file; does that cover it?
[02:54] <apokryphos> (the error I'm gettting: http://pastebin.com/245396 )
[02:55] <Echylo> anyone has/uses terragen here?
[02:55] <Echylo> and has the .exe
[02:55] <tritium> apokryphos, what's the package name?
[02:55] <apokryphos> kdebase
[02:57] <tritium> looks like you might be missing an X dev. library of some kind.
[02:57] <apokryphos> Oh
[02:57] <apokryphos> Yeah, libGL is indeed here. Ergh; misread it.
[02:59] <Medrakil> after installing, how do i update everything? is it apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[02:59] <apokryphos> tritium: what package am I looking to get?
[02:59] <tritium> apokryphos, I'm not sure.
[02:59] <tritium> here's one of your errors: http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.1/XF86VidMode.3.html
[03:00] <s-gen> where's the flex package??!! Got bison(++) in universe but no flex.
[03:01] <tritium> apokryphos, I would just try installing libx11-dev
[03:02] <apokryphos> tritium: I seem to have that installed
[03:02] <tritium> Well, I'm not sure then
[03:02] <apokryphos> have everything *x11* it seems
[03:03] <apokryphos> alright, no worries. I'll keep searching.
[03:03] <apokryphos> tritium: is that not xfree stuff?
[03:03] <tritium> looks to be
[03:03] <apokryphos> While, I don't have that installed. Got xorg.
[03:04] <apokryphos> Odd that I should get an xfree error considering
[03:04] <tritium> or perhaps it's precisely because you don't have it
[03:04] <tritium> but I don't do any X11 devel.
[03:05] <apokryphos> I don't think so.. the package certainly doesn't require xfree
[03:05] <tritium> sorry.  I don't know then.
[03:05] <apokryphos> No worries. :) Thanks.
[03:05] <BeTa> hi, I run ubuntu on a PowerBook Alu since some months and it already hangs (totally, I tink seriously it's a kernel space problem) randomly. I've suspected temperature, this is not the problem (I've tweak /sys/ for -10c). Then I've suspected cpu frequency scalling (I don't know the tool used on PPC to manage that) or battery/power (when the battery or the power were disconnected, it runs better, but it doesn't seem to be an other thing than hazard). does a
[03:07] <apokryphos> ( tritium: Sorry I'm draggin this on, but I see the xfree86-common is still installed (tells me I can safely remove it. Do you think there's a change that might be causing the problem? No problem if you don't know. )
[03:08] <tritium> apokryphos, no, I don't see anything wrong with that.
[03:09] <apokryphos> k
[03:09] <shock> hat hier einer ahung von ati und glx?
[03:10] <tritium> shock, #ubuntu-de ?
[03:11] <shock> oh sorry
[03:11] <Echylo> can it be that the servers are extremely slow?
[03:11] <shock> anyone here pro on ati + glx
[03:12] <scizzo> shock: don't ask about a sertain someone....just tell us the problem
[03:14] <shock> float rendertarget with radeon 9800pro using the fglrx driver (or any other that supports glsl ;)
[03:14] <shock> howto
[03:14] <shock> :)
[03:17] <|QuaD-> how long until we get beagle?
[03:18] <welly> hey all.. whats the deal with kubuntu? is this going to be an official fork/split/development?
[03:19] <jdub> welly: it's one of our first derivatives
[03:20] <welly> oh ok.. excellent. i'm warming to gnome so i'll probably stick with ubuntu but will no doubt have to take a look at the kde release
[03:21] <LaurenceRowe> Hi, I'm having problems with my dual-head nvidia set up. I have to use the 'NoBandwidthCheck' option to get my two (1280x1024) screens to work, but I get interference on the second screen. Any idea if anything can be done?
[03:22] <Echylo> ftp program in ubuntu?
[03:22] <Echylo> loool
[03:23] <evarlast> Echylo: alt-f2, type ftp url :)
[03:23] <Echylo> I want to upload
[03:23] <LaurenceRowe> just use nautilus file manager
[03:23] <welly> echylo, you can upload with "ftp", surely!
[03:23] <Echylo> ?
[03:24] <Echylo> I know
[03:24] <Echylo> I don't
[03:24] <Echylo> but I'll learn
[03:24] <Echylo> when I have some spare time
[03:24] <Echylo> same for vi
[03:25] <Echylo> can it be that update is verry slow
[03:27] <Echylo> or is it my i-net
[03:28] <Echylo> nvm
[03:28] <Echylo> smallband
[03:28] <welly> not sure.. seems quick enough this end
[03:29] <Echylo> gonna kill it
[03:29] <welly> but we've got a big fat pipe
[03:29] <Echylo> it's my inet
[03:29] <Echylo> it dropped speed cause I exceeded my download limit
[03:29] <Echylo> stupid belgium
[03:29] <Nermal> they make nice chocolate
[03:29] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:30] <Echylo> yes but they have providers who suck
[03:30] <Echylo> 10gig download in a month
[03:30] <welly> we do alright :) free.fr - 15mb uncapped adsl for 30 a month
[03:30] <Echylo> then they drop speed from 400kbs to 12kbs
[03:31] <adnans> no such rubbish here, xs4all recently declared unlimited downloads i.e. goodbye FUP or capping :)
[03:31] <welly> oh, it seems free.fr offer 20mb now :)
[03:32] <welly> c'est une vie dure
[03:32] <Echylo> ah
[03:32] <Echylo> netherlands are lucky
[03:32] <Echylo> they download whatever they want
[03:33] <Medrakil> is it possible to get mplayer using apt-get or do i have to compile it?
[03:33] <Nermal> sure
[03:33] <Nermal> apt-get it
[03:33] <Nermal> but you may have to add some more repositories to get w32codecs and all that
[03:34] <Medrakil> yeah ok
[03:34] <Medrakil> Package mplayer is a virtual package provided by:
[03:34] <Medrakil>   mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[03:34] <Medrakil>   mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[03:34] <Medrakil>   mplayer-586 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[03:34] <Medrakil>   mplayer-386 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[03:34] <Medrakil>   mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[03:34] <Medrakil> You should explicitly select one to install.
[03:34] <Medrakil> for real, now what?
[03:35] <Medrakil> oh, i saw it now... sorry about the paste flood
[03:35] <Nermal> Medrakil: add these to your sources.list
[03:35] <Nermal>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[03:35] <Nermal> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:35] <Nermal> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[03:35] <Nermal> and then do an apt-get update
[03:36] <pjharper> Hi I am having difficulty getting ndiswrapper to work
[03:36] <pjharper> with hoary
[03:36] <Nermal> then do apt-get install mplayer-586 I guess
[03:36] <Medrakil> i think i have them already, i read this guide-thingy at ubuntuguide.org
[03:36] <Nermal> pjharper: whats the problem ?
[03:36] <pjharper> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper gives me: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
[03:37] <Medrakil>  mplayer-586: Depends: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[03:37] <Medrakil>                         libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[03:37] <Medrakil>                Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[03:37] <Medrakil>                Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[03:38] <pjharper> ndiswrapper -l
[03:38] <pjharper> Installed ndis drivers:
[03:38] <pjharper> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[03:38] <Medrakil> Nermal, now what?
[03:38] <pjharper> Sorry if that was a flood.
[03:40] <Mitario> anyone knows if there is an utf8 char for a 'bullet' icon, as in, []  or *
[03:40] <housetier> 
[03:42] <pjharper> Anybody have any idea why this should be so difficult?
[03:43] <housetier> Medrakil yesterday (or before that) I heard that the merillat repository is broken, I can neither confirm nor deny it though
[03:43] <housetier> Medrakil however compiling mplayer yourself is not that difficult
[03:44] <Nermal> Medrakil: I told you
 then do apt-get install mplayer-586 I guess
[03:45] <pjharper> I got a funny thing with merlillat today as well
[03:46] <pjharper> GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:46] <membreya> Nermal: ...when you're compiling things, you don;t need to worry about the deprecated messages right ?
[03:47] <apokryphos> pjharper: don't worry aobut that.
[03:48] <pjharper> Can anybody tell me why sudo modprobe ndiswrapper failed if it is finding the driver?
[03:48] <oz_> Anyone know why totem crashes when seeking forward/back playing mp3's?
[03:48] <Nermal> membreya: no... thats for the program writer too :)
[03:48] <Nermal> pjharper: dmesg ?
[03:49] <pjharper> Standby Nermal
[03:49] <membreya> damn you Nermal
[03:50] <membreya> I'm compiling a kernel here!
[03:50] <membreya> stop beating me to answers
[03:50] <no0tic> I just read that <country>.archive.ubuntu.com mirrors are up for hoary, they are also updated frequently?
[03:50] <membreya> pjharper: just do a tail dmesg :)
[03:50] <monkey89> no0tic, some just refer to the main pool
[03:50] <t31> someone knows how to add to gdesklet starterbar the wastebasket and the window selector_
[03:50] <monkey89> im sure any mirror is updated somewhat frequently though to be accepted into the pool
[03:50] <t31> ?
[03:50] <no0tic> monkey89: do you know the state of "it" mirror?
[03:51] <pjharper> sudo tail dmesg?
[03:51] <monkey89> not offhand no, but browse through and see, im sure its pretty up-to-date
[03:51] <membreya> pjharper: just tail dmesg :)
[03:51] <monkey89> don't you have to do dmesg | tail
[03:51] <no0tic> ok, thanks
[03:51] <Nermal> or a tail -f /var/log/messages
[03:51] <membreya> woops my bad Nermal
[03:51] <membreya> playing around with cat and tail
[03:51] <membreya> all night
[03:51] <membreya> 1 1/2 hours sleep last nite
[03:51] <membreya> another 5 or 6 tonight at this rate
[03:52] <membreya> :'(
[03:52] <membreya> I gotta stop answering questions
[03:52] <membreya> dear god what am I doing compiling a kernel on this much sleep!
[03:52] <pjharper> I've done both what am I looking for in the log?
[03:52] <membreya> gutten tag!
[03:52] <membreya> pjharper: just the last line :)
[03:52] <azeem> anybody know what gam_server is and why it's eating my CPU cycles?
[03:52] <tritium> See you membreya
[03:52] <membreya> i see you too tritium !
[03:52] <membreya> oh ..you're going :(
[03:53] <tritium> You are too, aren't you?
[03:53] <tritium> getting some sleep?
[03:53] <membreya> nope :)
[03:53] <membreya> compiling a kernel
[03:53] <pjharper> Feb 23 15:35:13 localhost polypaudio[4528] : module.c: Unloaded "module-alsa-sink" (index: #12).
[03:53] <membreya> long enough to watching my pc not boot
[03:53] <tritium> you're crazy!
[03:53] <tritium> heh
[03:53] <membreya> damnit
[03:53] <membreya> I left all these devicesi n the kernel
[03:53] <membreya> tat's what i get
[03:53] <membreya> it's like the 4th time ive configured it
[03:54] <tritium> Okay. good luck.  Bye.
[03:54] <membreya> ciao ciao :)
[03:54] <azeem> ah, gamin.
[03:55] <pjharper> I did sudo modprobe ndiswrapper then tail -f /var/log/messages I get the module-alsa-sink message each time
[03:56] <Matrix_Soul> hi
[03:56] <membreya> hiya matrix :)
[03:56] <Abusive> hello , i have a question , if i have mysql installed with php4... how do i create a user on the mysql database?
[03:56] <oz_> use mysql-admin
[03:57] <Matrix_Soul> anybody knows how to change the menu and submenus in applications with hoary???
[03:57] <oz_> Abusive: apt-get install mysql-admin if you don't have it installed
[03:57] <Abusive> oz: how
[03:57] <Abusive> ?
[03:57] <Abusive> ok.
[03:57] <membreya> Matrix_Soul: gnome bug
[03:57] <Matrix_Soul> ok, then I cant???
[03:57] <Medrakil> what are the "suggested" packages i get when i apt-get something? should i get them, even if i don't know what they are?
[03:58] <Abusive> root@ubuntu:~ # apt-get install mysql-admin
[03:58] <Abusive> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:58] <Abusive> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:58] <Abusive> E: Couldn't find package mysql-admin
[03:58] <membreya> i believe there's some workarounds out there..but i would just wait for the next stable release of gnome
[03:58] <pjharper> Do I need to apt-get something to make the modeprobe work?
[03:58] <meuserj|work> I'm sorry if this has already been addressed.. but I have a big problem with Hoary right now....
[03:59] <membreya> suo meuserj|work ?
[03:59] <Abusive> oz_, ?
[03:59] <Nermal> pjharper: depmod -a
[03:59] <membreya> i so should have checked my compile better :(
[03:59] <meuserj|work> I'm running the latest of everything.. just upgraded the kernel to 2.6.10-4
[03:59] <membreya> what broke meuserj|work ? :P
[03:59] <membreya> lo Echylo :)
[03:59] <oz_> Abusive: hmm.. enable the universe (?) repository
[03:59] <pjharper> depmod -a ndiswraper?
[03:59] <meuserj|work> and now when I try to log in to GNOME, gam_server causes a Kernel panic and hardlocks my computer
[03:59] <pjharper> sic
[03:59] <Abusive> oz: its enabled
[03:59] <principerobot> Hi linuxiani....
[03:59] <principerobot> :-)
[04:00] <Nermal> pjharper: no.. just depmod -a
[04:00] <principerobot> I have a little problem
[04:00] <Echylo> heey :)
[04:00] <principerobot> can you help me?
[04:00] <Abusive> anyway .. dost it need to .. enable something in apt?
[04:00] <Abusive> tell me how , then
[04:00] <Nermal> principerobot: say problem
[04:00] <principerobot> :-)
[04:00] <no0tic> principerobot: are you italian?
[04:00] <principerobot> thx
[04:00] <principerobot> yes
[04:00] <principerobot> I' m italian
[04:00] <principerobot> why?
[04:00] <no0tic> principerobot: c' il canale ubuntu-it
[04:00] <no0tic> principerobot: :)
[04:00] <principerobot> :-)
[04:00] <oz_> Abusive: have a quick look under synaptic.
[04:00] <principerobot> poca gente
[04:00] <principerobot> :-)
[04:01] <Abusive> i cant find nothing with synaptic .. i mean not for mysql admin
[04:01] <Abusive> and i have enabled
[04:01] <Abusive> everything..
[04:01] <no0tic> principerobot: right, tell the problem
[04:01] <pjharper> Nermal, nothing happened
[04:01] <Nermal> pjharper: well.. did it return you to the command line ?
[04:01] <Nermal> without any output ?
[04:01] <oz_> Abusive: there is a dash between mysql and admin ie: "mysql-admin"
[04:01] <pjharper> yes
[04:01] <Abusive> oz: .. i know
[04:01] <Nermal> then it completed it's task successfully
[04:02] <meuserj|work> umm.. anyone have any clue about my problem?  It's pretty urgent...
[04:02] <Nermal> why people expect every app to yell "I completed what my design specification requires me to!" is beyond me
[04:02] <oz_> Abusive: are you on hoary or warty
[04:02] <Abusive> no package found with the name mysql-admin , so i tried without the -
[04:02] <Nermal> it's expected that an app with perform correctly under linux
[04:02] <Abusive> no
[04:02] <principerobot> how can I send file via bluetooth from my nokia 6600 to my ubuntu?
[04:02] <Nermal> most only produce output if something goes wrong
[04:03] <Blissex> principerobot: you got to install the BlueTooth package.
[04:04] <principerobot> I have done it
[04:04] <Echylo> any has the terragen exe instead of the msi file in here?
[04:04] <oz_> Abusive: are you running hoary or warty?
[04:04] <meuserj|work> hello?
[04:04] <meuserj|work> anyone?
[04:04] <Echylo> or does anybody knows where to get it
[04:04] <Echylo> hell meuserj
[04:04] <Abusive> i dont know what's that .. hoary or warty
[04:04] <Echylo> hello*
[04:04] <principerobot> The problem is that I have modified the config file /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf
[04:04] <Echylo> reinstall gnome meuserj?
[04:05] <Echylo> or is that too radical
[04:05] <pjharper> Nermal if ndiswrapper detects my driver what do you think may be the problem with the modprobe.
[04:05] <membreya> time to kill my pc
[04:05] <membreya> mwuahahahah!
[04:05] <Nermal> dmesg should tell you
[04:05] <Echylo> lol
[04:05] <oz_> Abusive: the ubuntu version you are running.
[04:05] <Echylo> what's wrong membreya
[04:05] <Echylo> ok then
[04:05] <Abusive> i just dont know
[04:06] <thoreauputic> Abusive: type  ` cat /etc/issue` in a terminal
[04:07] <thoreauputic> without the backquotes
[04:07] <Abusive> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog"
[04:07] <pjharper> Nermal, it just talks about module-alsa-sink not about ndiswrapper
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Abusive: OK you have Warty :)
[04:07] <Abusive> oky :D
[04:07] <sigglet> why is dvdrecord forked in ubuntu?
[04:08] <Echylo> pray all for 5 minutes
[04:08] <Abusive> so oz?
[04:08] <sigglet> they broke it
[04:08] <sigglet> and you have to patch it
[04:08] <principerobot> Can you help me?
[04:08] <sigglet> sucks
[04:08] <pjharper> I upgraded to hoary. I thought it had ndiswrapper builtin
[04:08] <oz_> Anyone know where mysql-admin lives in warty? it should be in universe...
[04:08] <Echylo> just pray
[04:08] <Echylo> keep it on
[04:09] <Echylo> keep it
[04:09] <dstevens> How would i go about creating a new Theme for Ubuntu, have found how to install new theme, but 'howto' create the theme spec.
[04:09] <Echylo> steady
[04:09] <jono> hi all
[04:09] <sigglet> dstevens: for kde or gnome?
[04:09] <dstevens> sigglet: yup gnome vanilla ubuntu.
[04:09] <sigglet> http://art.gnome.org should have a howto
[04:10] <oz_> Abusive: have you done a apt-get update?
[04:10] <Abusive> can someone please tell me how to add a user to the mysql data base?
[04:10] <Abusive> no
[04:10] <principerobot> I need to send file from my phone to my linux...
[04:10] <principerobot> How can I do it?
[04:10] <sigglet> Abusive: #mysql
[04:10] <Abusive> ok.
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Abusive: try typing apt-cache search mysql (you have universe repo enabled?)
[04:10] <oz_> from a terminal session sudo apt-get update
[04:10] <dstevens> sigglet: cheers mate !
[04:10] <principerobot> Hey people?
[04:10] <principerobot> can you help me please?
[04:11] <principerobot> :-(
[04:11] <thoreauputic> Abusive: yes, #mysql sounds a good plan
[04:11] <oz_> Abusive: that should update your cache so you can download it.
[04:11] <Abusive> wow
[04:11] <dstevens> principerobot: From your phone? bluetooth
[04:11] <Abusive> 99999 with mysql
[04:11] <Abusive> LD
[04:12] <pjharper> I've tried following this but it doesn't work
[04:12] <principerobot> 6600
[04:12] <principerobot> nokia
[04:12] <pjharper> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[04:12] <Abusive> usermin-mysql - A mysql module for the usermin web-based administration tool
[04:12] <oz_> Abusive: how are you doing there?
[04:12] <Abusive> webmin-mysql - mysql-server control module for webmin
[04:12] <Abusive> isnt this good?
[04:12] <Abusive> oz?
[04:12] <Abusive> i updated it , but no mysql-admin
[04:13] <membreya> well that failed
[04:13] <membreya> should I use an initrd?
[04:13] <bascule> mysql-admin - GUI tool for intuitive MySQL administration <-- i got it
[04:13] <bascule> membreya: what failed
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Abusive: don't know exactly what you want : what about mysqlcc - The official GUI interface for MySQL
[04:13] <Abusive> where?
[04:14] <membreya> kernel panic
[04:14] <membreya> vfs
[04:14] <membreya> again
[04:14] <principerobot> hey...
[04:14] <Abusive> i want to add a user to the mysql database
[04:14] <principerobot> :-(
[04:14] <membreya> i made ext3 *
[04:14] <Abusive> to have a user and a password and a database for my php nuke
[04:14] <Abusive> (website sistem)
[04:14] <DrDik> hey!  Anyone know when my ubuntu laptop crashes my I output to a monitor but it didn't when I used RH9.0 (gasp!)
[04:14] <bascule> membreya: what fs is / ?
[04:15] <membreya> ext3
[04:15] <membreya> when it boots
[04:15] <membreya> it says it can't locate sda3
[04:15] <Abusive> bascule : can you tell me where to download mysql-admin?
[04:15] <membreya> which is my /
[04:15] <pjharper> There must be something seriously wrong with that how-to
[04:15] <bascule> Abusive: apt-get install mysql-admin
[04:15] <meuserj|work> I figured out my gam_server hardlock problem.. sort of
[04:15] <membreya> Abusive: its in the repos
[04:15] <bascule> membreya: you need SATA modules in as * as well tehn
[04:16] <meuserj|work> there is something wrong with the 2.6.10-4 stock Hoary kernel
[04:16] <meuserj|work> has anyone else tried that kernel?
[04:16] <Abusive> i dont have it , why!?>??
[04:16] <scy_ubuntu> hi
[04:16] <Abusive> root@ubuntu:~ # apt-get install mysql-admin
[04:16] <Abusive> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:16] <Abusive> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:16] <Abusive> E: Couldn't find package mysql-admin
[04:16] <Abusive> root@ubuntu:~ #
[04:16] <thoreauputic> membreya: he has warty: no such package in warty
[04:16] <membreya> oh
[04:16] <membreya> hi thoreauputic :)
[04:17] <thoreauputic> Abusive: it isn't in warty
[04:17] <scy_ubuntu> what is the root-passwd for the ubuntu-livecd? i tried to change it with sudo, but sudo crashes with an error
[04:17] <thoreauputic> Abusive: probably under a different name
[04:17] <Abusive> why not ? :(
[04:17] <scy_ubuntu> Abusive, apt-cache search
[04:17] <Abusive> so i cant create a username and pass and a database?
[04:17] <Abusive> sucky thing ..
[04:18] <meuserj|work> Abusive, check out phpmyadmin.... very complete and easy to use
[04:18] <thoreauputic> Abusive: of course you can - it just requires you find out how
[04:18] <bascule> yes you can, i don't kniow the querys off hand, but it can be done
[04:18] <membreya> Abusive: have you tried mysqladmin all one word in apt-cache search?
[04:18] <Abusive> meuserj|work : can i create a username and pass and database on mysql ?
[04:18] <dstevens> Yup and phpmyadmin ship to connect with username='root' password='' so it should be good for you.
[04:18] <meuserj|work> Abusive, yes
[04:18] <Abusive> ok. let me see.
[04:19] <bascule> of course you can, if not mysql would depend on mysql-admin
[04:19] <Medrakil> anyone know how to install ATI drivers?
[04:19] <bascule> <-- done it with php scriot
[04:19] <bascule> not the ati drivers though =)
[04:19] <thoreauputic> membreya: I see you have been quite active on the mailing list ;)
[04:19] <Abusive> i cant install it
[04:19] <Abusive> it has dependencies
[04:20] <membreya> thoreauputic: shush :P
[04:20] <membreya> I'm new to all this
[04:20] <pjharper> Do I need the ndiswrapper source as well as the utils to make it go?
[04:20] <membreya> I have a huge learning curb :(
[04:20] <membreya> curve even
[04:20] <membreya> god I'm tired!
[04:20] <jk24> WARNING WARNING WARNING: linux-image-2.6.10-4-686 make freeze my workstation while gnome-session starting, the 2.6.10-3-686 no !
[04:20] <no0tic> sorry for the strange question but.. how do you translate "image resolution" in spanish?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> Abusive: have you enabled the universe repository?
[04:20] <membreya> no0tic: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ :)
[04:20] <meuserj|work> jk24, yes.. I discovered that as well
[04:20] <Echylo> for all your music scripts ! #finemusic
[04:20] <Echylo> hmm
[04:20] <bascule> imagos resolutionos :P
[04:20] <t31> resolucion de pantalla no0tic
[04:20] <Echylo> I'll never get the channel launched
[04:21] <scy_ubuntu> what is the root-passwd for the ubuntu-livecd? i tried to change it with sudo, but sudo crashes with an error
[04:21] <jk24> meuserj|work: it may be a good idea to post something somewhere for who that can
[04:21] <dstevens> membreya he will not help, he lives in the same world as santa.
[04:21] <Echylo> #finemusic !
[04:21] <Echylo> :'(
[04:22] <meuserj|work> jk24, it seems that few know about the problem here... when it was happening to me I came on here and mentioned it an no one seemed to know what I was talking about
[04:22] <Echylo> I'm not a 1001 channel advertiser
[04:22] <membreya> once I've done a make on a kernel, can I then go back to the source and do another make menuconfig?
[04:22] <Abusive> thoreauputic : how?
[04:22] <meuserj|work> jk24, what is happening is that gam_server is causing the kernel to panick
[04:22] <thoreauputic> Abusive: your first stop needs to be  ubuntuguide.org , methinks
[04:22] <scy_ubuntu> nobody there who has tried the live-cd of ubuntu?
[04:22] <Echylo> me
[04:22] <jk24> meuserj|work: ok
[04:23] <thoreauputic> Abusive: you have much to learn, Grasshopper ;)
[04:23] <meuserj|work> scy_ubuntu, you can't change the root password, because the filesystem is read-only
[04:23] <Echylo> every1 has thoreauputic
[04:23] <thoreauputic> Echylo: indeed, I agree
[04:23] <Xappe> meuserj|work, jk24, got that problem when booting with the k7 kernel. rebooted mith 686 and no freeze...haven't replicated this so I don't know how frequent the lockups are
[04:23] <Echylo> :)
[04:23] <Echylo> but some more then other
[04:23] <scy_ubuntu> meuserj|work, and why is synaptic included when you can't use it?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> Echylo: that guide is a good place to start
[04:23] <Echylo> others*
[04:24] <Echylo> I know
[04:24] <Echylo> it's great
[04:24] <meuserj|work> you can still sudo
[04:24] <scy_ubuntu> meuserj|work, in knoppix you can also become root
[04:24] <scy_ubuntu> meuserj|work, no, sudo crashes with an error
[04:24] <membreya> bascule: I just looked at the config that I made with the new kernel and the sata_nv is set to *
[04:24] <meuserj|work> what is the error?
[04:24] <meuserj|work> scy_ubuntu, ^
[04:24] <bascule> membreya: what about ramfs
[04:24] <scy_ubuntu> "bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler", its german and means input-/outputerror
[04:25] <meuserj|work> Xappe, I have the problem with the 686 kernel too....
[04:25] <jk24> Xappe: appends all times with the 686
[04:25] <membreya> CONFIG_RAMFS=y in my .config
[04:25] <bascule> KO, I 'll have a quick look at
[04:26] <meuserj|work> scy_ubuntu, wait.. why would you need to run synaptic on a read-only filesystem?  You can upgrade anything...
[04:26] <scy_ubuntu> meuserj|work, i want to look at the ubuntu-packages
[04:26] <membreya> bascule: want me to upload my .config? :P
[04:26] <scy_ubuntu> and do some other stuff
[04:26] <DrDik> hey!  Anyone know when my ubuntu laptop crashes my I output to a monitor but it didn't when I used RH9.0 (gasp!)
[04:26] <bascule> membreya: yeah right .... pay me!! :P
[04:27] <DrDik> hey!  Anyone know why my ubuntu laptop crashes when I output to a monitor but it didn't when I used RH9.0 (gasp!)
[04:27] <membreya> so mean bascule :P
[04:27] <meuserj|work> scy_ubuntu, not sure why sudo is crashing
[04:27] <scy_ubuntu> meuserj|work, ok, thanks
[04:27] <meuserj|work> scy_ubuntu, I don't use the live cd
[04:27] <oz_> Anyone know how to tell which mp3 decoder is being used?
[04:27] <membreya> gah why is it panicking
[04:27] <scy_ubuntu> meuserj|work, yeah, i just wanted to try ubuntu
[04:28] <meuserj|work> scy_ubuntu, If you just want to see what packages are available
[04:28] <thoreauputic> membreya: it saw you coming - that would panic anyone ;)
[04:28] <meuserj|work> scy_ubuntu, check out http://archive.ubuntulinux.org
[04:28] <membreya> thoreauputic: :P
[04:28] <scy_ubuntu> meuserj|work, mh, thanks
[04:28] <membreya> it's panicking on vfs
[04:28] <njan> is gam_server horribly broken for anyone else running hoary?
[04:28] <membreya> njan: most people :P
[04:29] <meuserj|work> njan, yes
[04:29] <meuserj|work> njan, are you getting lockups?
[04:29] <njan> meuserj|work, not now, I'm running xfce4 :p
[04:29] <njan> but yes, gam_server was kernel panicing
[04:29] <njan> s/kernel panicing/causing the kernel to panic/
[04:29] <meuserj|work> njan, go back to 2.6.10-3
[04:29] <njan> meuserj|work, oh, it's a kernel issue?
[04:29] <delltony> membreya, wasn't it u and i talking about hoary not having the gnome menu adding the other day?
[04:29] <meuserj|work> njan, yes
[04:29] <njan> meuserj|work, actually, that would make sense, being that I didn't just upgrade gam_server
[04:29] <pjharper> Do I actually have to compile my kernel to make ndiswrapper work?
[04:29] <njan> alrightly ;)
[04:30] <membreya> delltony: yup
[04:30] <delltony> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=77243  (check it out)
[04:30] <bascule> where the hell are the SATA drivers in menuconfig?
[04:31] <membreya> lol bascule :)
[04:31] <membreya> they're under scsi
[04:31] <jk24> pjharper: no, you have to have the linux-header... package that match with you running kernel
[04:31] <splatch> hi all
[04:31] <splatch> i have a problem
[04:31] <splatch> does somebody can help me?
[04:31] <jk24> splatch: better ask your question
[04:32] <splatch> i ugraded my ubuntu to hoary 2 day ago and now my usb key isn't mouted
[04:32] <splatch> what can i do,
[04:32] <splatch> ?
[04:32] <membreya> bascule: go to device drivers > scsi device support > SCSI low level drivers
[04:33] <bascule> membreya: yeah I got it, did you read the help for nv sata?
[04:34] <splatch> jk24, can u help me?
[04:34] <bascule> SCSI device support (SCSI [=m] ) needs to be y
[04:34] <membreya> i did
[04:34] <trigx300> hello to all
[04:35] <will> hellooooO
[04:35] <IorGie> hello
[04:35] <oz_> Does anyone know what "protocol-esound.c: Warning! Too many connections (10), dropping incoming connection." means?
[04:35] <jk24> splatch: if you try to mount it "by the hand" it works ?
[04:36] <membreya> bascule: I've got it set to y :)
[04:36] <splatch> jk24, how?
[04:36] <delltony> membreya, did you check it out?
[04:36] <jk24> splatch: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[04:36] <JDigital> Hey, I fixed my video player problem. Excellent.
[04:37] <oz_> It happens every time I start totem...
[04:37] <membreya> sweet thanks delltony :) I will keep it in mind..but im not busting a gut to change my menus..but thankyou anyhoo :)
[04:37] <bascule> membreya: I dunno then, for now ...
[04:37] <delltony> me either but i figured it was needed
[04:37] <membreya> would not having an initrd bother it bascule ?
[04:37] <delltony> i was use to application:///
[04:38] <bascule> membreya: only if it needs some module that you haven't hardwired, try an initrd with it see how it does
[04:38] <bascule> no, I know nothing of initrd
[04:38] <bascule> :))
[04:39] <membreya> damn you!
[04:39] <membreya> don't preempt me!
[04:39] <membreya> maybe I can just use the existing one!
[04:39] <membreya> ha!
[04:39] <bascule> heh, pre-emptible 2.6.11
[04:39] <bascule> membreya: doubt it, it'll fail hiorribly and kill your computer :P
[04:39] <membreya> shudup bascule !
[04:39] <membreya> noooooooo!
[04:39] <membreya> well one more reboot
[04:39] <membreya> then I will cry
[04:40] <bascule> nah, It will look for modules that might not be there causing problems
[04:40] <bascule> might be OK
[04:40] <bascule> once again:
[04:40] <bascule> no, I know nothing of initrd
[04:41] <Frafraxy> hi
[04:41] <Frafraxy> i must convert a file rm in a file mp3
[04:41] <bascule> oooooo
[04:41] <Frafraxy> what i must do?
[04:41] <bascule> can be done
[04:42] <ssam> frafraxy thats not easy
[04:42] <bascule> you need mencoder
[04:42] <Frafraxy> what program i must to use?
[04:42] <Frafraxy> mencoder?
[04:42] <bascule> yes, comes with mplayer
[04:42] <ssam> maybe it isnt so hard
[04:42] <ssam> i couldn't do it when i tried a while ago
[04:44] <bascule> http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Jun/0346.html <-- one idea
[04:44] <thoreauputic> hmm sox will do some conversions, but not that one I think
[04:44] <bascule> ssam: I got a line of code that will do wma to mp3
[04:44] <bascule> so from there it might be an easy change
[04:44] <ssam> i think realmedia files where the problem
[04:44] <bascule> I startes looking at the manpage, but it's an absolute killer
[04:44] <trigx300> wma to mp3? how?
[04:44] <membreya> big fat failure bascule
[04:44] <bascule> 2 secs
[04:45] <membreya> it got further
[04:45] <bascule> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/352
[04:45] <ssam> only the horrible player from real could do them, and then you'r have to hijack the sound from the sound card
[04:45] <bascule> trigx300: ^^
[04:45] <bascule> ssam: using that simple script hack up a solution, I hope
[04:46] <bascule> if so p[ost it in that thread for us all :))
[04:46] <ktech> hey guys...  4.10 has auto-detect features for inserted usb-sticks or is that a 5.xx feature?
[04:46] <trigx300> bascule - cool thanks
[04:47] <bascule> np
[04:47] <ssam> does mplayer do realmedia files?
[04:47] <membreya> oh yeah fine help others bascule :P
[04:47] <trigx300> iv been having problems with that
[04:47] <bascule> if you can get real to do the same, god bless you and karma**9
[04:47] <ktech> ssam mplayer does almost all, so yes :)
[04:47] <bascule> membreya: you are boring now :P
[04:47] <membreya> :P
[04:47] <ssam> thats cool
[04:48] <bascule> mplayer will play rm, so it should dump it like the wma will
[04:48] <Medrakil> what do i need to get 3d-acc'ed stuff going on an ATI Rage 128?
[04:48] <bascule> miracles and super skills :P
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Medrakil: much patience ;)
[04:49] <ssam> the open souce ati driver seems ok for me
[04:49] <Medrakil> thoreauputic, awwh. But where do i start? are there no drivers i can apt-get, like for nvidia cards?
[04:49] <Medrakil> ssam, is it in apt? if not, where do i get it?
[04:50] <ssam> but i am powerpc so i have no choice
[04:51] <ssam> you just need it enabled in your /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[04:51] <ssam> in the Device section
[04:51] <ssam>         Driver          "ati"
[04:52] <no0tic> metacity seems to freeze when gksudo is opened
[04:52] <Medrakil> ssam, well that's there already
[04:52] <Medrakil> ssam, perhaps i need some gl-stuff
[04:52] <ssam> i have just been playing with the instructions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14435
[04:53] <ssam> no0tic i think thats a security thing so you dont type your password anywhere else
[04:53] <no0tic> ssam: ok :)
[04:54] <ssam> medrakil does glxgears run ok for you
[04:55] <Medrakil> ssam, 291FPS
[04:55] <thoreauputic> hmm that's slow
[04:55] <ssam> i get about 1400fps at the tiny size it defaults to
[04:56] <Medrakil> 352 now... but it's an ATI rage 128, not a fancy card
[04:56] <ssam> in the module section of you xorg.conf do you have glx and dri enabled
[04:56] <ssam> mine is a radeon 9000 i think
[04:57] <Medrakil> i think that's X86Config to me... lemme see
[04:57] <kazeisevil> need a bit of help, new to linux. how would i mount a flash drive?  anybody got a link to a guide or can tell me how
[04:57] <Medrakil> yes, glx and dri are on
[04:57] <ssam> kazeisevil, just plug it in
[04:58] <kazeisevil> i have it doesnt show in filesystem
[04:58] <ssam> medraikil, are you running warty? you might want to try hoary and xorg, but i dont know if it will make much difference
[04:58] <Medrakil> ssam, yes, warty
[04:59] <ssam> kazeisevil, is your system up to date?
[04:59] <Medrakil> ssam, well maybe i should.. but it should work in xfree too, though :P
[05:00] <kazeisevil> it should be i only installed ubuntu yesterday
[05:00] <ssam> kazeisevil, if you open synaptic package manager and click reload, then mark upgrades and then apply
[05:00] <kazeisevil> cool ill give that a try
[05:03] <ssam> medrakil, had a look in the forums and they say set you colour depth to 16
[05:06] <Madeye>  I have two computers, one has two Eth cards installed eth0 connected to the ADSL modem, and the second to connect my machine A with B, what i'm facing now, whenever I activate Eth1 my internet connection lost, why idea?
[05:07] <oz_> ip address conflict
[05:07] <Medrakil> ssam, ah
[05:07] <ssam> madeye a default gateway problem
[05:07] <Dr_willis> ip address go to the cards. so that one pc with 2 cards will have 2 ip addresses. one for each card.
[05:07] <Madeye> ssam,  how to solve it
[05:07] <Medrakil> ssam, i also checked a bit around and i'm gonna try to set Driver "r128" now...
[05:08] <oz_> bye folks
[05:08] <Dr_willis> wonder if a dhcp server would help. Hmm.
[05:08] <ssam> have a look at the output for ifconfig
[05:08] <Medrakil> ssam, brb, gonna try the driver thing
[05:08] <ssam> see if you can see the ip addresses for each interface
[05:09] <Madeye> Dr_Aevil,  the machine with 2 cards, eth0 IP 10.0.0.1 should I give the eth1 10.0.0.2?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> yes. they have to be different ip#'s
[05:09] <hawke_> Is it chigger time yet?
[05:09] <membreya> i give up on kernels
[05:10] <Dr_willis> chigger? a small tick like bug that gives you a NASTY rash? I hope not. :P
[05:10] <membreya> I'm waiting for 2.6.11
[05:10] <ssam> look at the "inet addr" line
[05:10] <membreya> or whagever
[05:10] <membreya> gnite!
[05:10] <Madeye> Dr_willis,  what about the gateway ? eth0 has the modem gateway, what should I set the eth1 gatway
[05:10] <ssam> type route to find the gateway
[05:10] <Dr_willis> they all shiould use the same gateway. and dns servers.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> actually thats not right.. pc #2 uses pc #1 as its gateway I thinjk
[05:11] <Madeye> ssam, Kernel IP routing table
[05:11] <Madeye> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[05:11] <Madeye> localnet        *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
[05:11] <Madeye> default         SpeedTouch.lan  0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[05:11] <ssam> check that the default line is set to the right interface
[05:11] <Dr_willis> i eventualluy just went and boight a Linksys rouiter for like $30 :p And havent messed with more then 1 network card in a box since.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:11] <crypticreign> my desktop backround pref's dialog comes up as a gray box and then crashes.. this is on a fresh install of warty
[05:11] <Medrakil> what's the best way to restart X w/ new settings?
[05:12] <CarlK> Medrakil = ctrl alt backspace
[05:12] <ssam> log out and  ctrl-alt-del
[05:12] <Medrakil> CarlK: k
[05:12] <Dr_willis> Medrakil,  hard core - alt-ctrl-backspace - kills X and should restart the server.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-del restarts the machine.
[05:12] <Medrakil> Dr_willis: yeah, i logged out and did that
[05:12] <Medrakil> the backspace thing
[05:13] <ssam> sorry, im on a mac and there is only a backspace (which i call delete)
[05:13] <bascule> bib
[05:13] <Echylo> plone:
[05:13] <Echylo>  Depends: zope-cmfplone but it is not going to be installed
[05:13] <Echylo> I have universe & multiverse enabled
[05:15] <Echylo> membreya,
[05:15] <Echylo> I need your help :p
[05:15] <membreya> Echylo: ?
[05:15] <membreya> hah
[05:15] <Echylo> you have read my question?
[05:15] <Echylo> ^^
[05:15] <membreya> erm
[05:15] <membreya>  zope-cmfplone
[05:15] <Echylo> yeh
[05:16] <Echylo> I try to install through synaptic
[05:16] <membreya> do an apt-get install
[05:16] <membreya> i have it in my repos
[05:16] <membreya> what arch are you running?
[05:16] <Echylo> ubuntu warty
[05:16] <TreadingSoftly> is it possible to open quicktime video in Linux?
[05:16] <Echylo> x86
[05:16] <delltony> mplayer will play them i thought
[05:17] <mjr> TreadingSoftly, depends entirely on the codec used
[05:17] <thoreauputic> probably vlc (video-lan-client) as well , with the right codecs
[05:17] <mjr> for some, there are free codecs, for some, windows codecs are required (and therefore an x86 comp)
[05:17] <Echylo> you know solution membreya?
[05:17] <TreadingSoftly> how about quicktime trailers etc. that are embedded in webpages?
[05:17] <delltony> mplayer mozilla
[05:18] <delltony> get the w32codec while your at it
[05:18] <TreadingSoftly> what repository?
[05:18] <delltony> thought it was in universe i might be wrong though
[05:19] <delltony> its in my synaptic
[05:19] <membreya> echylo what happens when you do an apt-cache search on zope-cmfplone
[05:19] <zenrox> no it ant in universe
[05:19] <membreya> do I need my headers??
[05:19] <Medrakil> ssam:  i get 690 FPS i glxgears now, is that acceptable?
[05:19] <delltony> ok then in that case i'm not sure
[05:19] <Echylo> how do you do that?
[05:19] <ssam> thats good
[05:19] <zenrox> its a diferent resporty
[05:19] <membreya> Echylo: go to a console
[05:19] <delltony> i just have the standard extra repositories added
[05:19] <membreya> and type apt-cache search  zope-cmfplone
[05:20] <Medrakil> i mean, this is a Celeron 433Mhz/256MB ram / rage128 box
[05:20] <ssam> its just under half what my radeon 9000 64mb does
[05:20] <delltony> that were listed on the wiki
[05:20] <delltony> but anyway its mplayer-mozilla and w32codec
[05:20] <bretzel> Hi all, My system is in english ( not a prb at all but)  - would want to have it now in my native language (french) , what are the pkgs, and system-wide commands to change the language ?
[05:20] <Medrakil> ssam: allright, then it's probably decent
[05:20] <Echylo> yeh
[05:20] <Echylo> it works
[05:20] <Echylo> zope-cmfplone - A zope/cmf-based content management system
[05:20] <Echylo> it replies
[05:20] <ssam> the big test is how well it does screensavers :-)
[05:20] <Medrakil> now, next hurdle... quake2 :D
[05:21] <membreya> Echylo: so do a sudo apt-get install zope-cmfplone
[05:21] <Echylo> wait wait :p
[05:22] <membreya> going to bed now
[05:22] <Echylo> couldn't find package :s
[05:23] <Echylo> but Ill find out
[05:23] <Echylo> gnight
[05:23] <Echylo> and thanks ;)
[05:23] <membreya> running hoary right Echylo
[05:23] <Echylo> warty
[05:24] <membreya> damnit
[05:24] <membreya> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/web/zope-cmfplone
[05:24] <membreya> :P
[05:24] <membreya> that's hoary
[05:24] <Echylo> ow ok
[05:24] <Echylo> so I need to add hoary repo's?
[05:24] <membreya> http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/plone
[05:24] <membreya> compile it yourself
[05:24] <Echylo> naah
[05:24] <Echylo> :p
[05:25] <Echylo> k
[05:25] <Echylo> I'll check it ou
[05:25] <Echylo> t
[05:25] <bretzel> pleasae I would want to change the base-system language (locale)  -- howto?
[05:26] <LinuxJones> bretzel, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:26] <bretzel> Thanx LinuxJones, it is not that straight-forward when we dunno what does what :-)
[05:27] <MaxeyPad> do any of you run vmware on ubuntu?
[05:27] <searcher`> yup
[05:27] <searcher`> i do
[05:27] <Echylo> what's wrong bretzel?
[05:29] <LinuxJones> bretzel, :)
[05:29] <INRSboy> do any of you try to install IDL 6.0 on ubuntu warty ?
[05:30] <Madeye> Kernel IP routing table
[05:30] <Madeye> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[05:30] <Madeye> 10.0.0.0        0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
[05:30] <Madeye> 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth1
[05:30] <Madeye> 0.0.0.0         10.0.0.138      0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[05:30] <bretzel> Echylo: Since I am not used with Ubuntu and Linux in general, I was searching for howto change (especially for my default native language) the default locale
[05:30] <Madeye> 10.0.0.138 is the ADSL modem IP
[05:30] <Echylo> well
[05:30] <Echylo> you just open a terminal
[05:30] <Echylo> and type in what LinuxJones said
[05:31] <Echylo> but
[05:31] <Echylo> like
[05:31] <thoreauputic> adding sudo before it is an idea
[05:31] <MaxeyPad> searcher`: well basically when I try to install vmware workstation I get this error : install process insmod: error inserting '/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon.o': -1 Invalid module format
[05:31] <Echylo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:31] <Echylo> and then you smash enter
[05:31] <Echylo> and you give your password
[05:31] <thoreauputic> yup
[05:31] <MaxeyPad> yes smash it
[05:31] <searcher`> MaxeyPad: did you install build-essential and the kernel-headers for the running kernel?
[05:31] <MaxeyPad> with your fist
[05:32] <Echylo> yep
[05:32] <searcher`> and symlinked /usr/src/linux to the now available headers
[05:32] <thoreauputic> Echylo: your keyboard is insensitive ? ;-)
[05:32] <Echylo> yea
[05:32] <MaxeyPad> instlaling build-essentila now :(
[05:32] <thoreauputic> Echylo: remove the chewing gum then ;-)
[05:32] <Echylo> damn
[05:33] <Echylo> how you know
[05:33] <zenrox> lol
[05:33] <thoreauputic> Echylo: hehe
[05:35] <prego> Usung hoary at my laptop, I'm forced to use the menu-bar-applet which uses a lot of space for a laptop screen... Any ideas about how to add "places" and "System" menus to let's say a drawer?
[05:36] <Echylo> why does a amd64 install asks for a 12g partition with a friend?
[05:38] <LinuxJones> prego, in Hoary afaik you have to edit file by hand :(
[05:38] <[Schok] Semt> evarlast, around?
[05:38] <evarlast> [Schok] Semt: I'm here.
[05:38] <[Schok] Semt> evarlast, about the cs4236 ;)
[05:38] <prego> LinuxJones, :-(
[05:38] <[Schok] Semt> modprobe snd-cs4235 isapnp=0 seemed to work
[05:38] <[Schok] Semt> 36*
[05:39] <LinuxJones> prego, they must be working on a replacement for the old way of doing it
[05:39] <[Schok] Semt> I get like *crackle* in my speakers and OOS(orso) and Alsamixer work
[05:39] <[Schok] Semt> Only still no sound, and I cannot set the volume from taskbar
[05:39] <evarlast> Sem-T: excellent.
[05:39] <prego> LinuxJones, at least, the menu bar could be configurable in order to show icons instead of names....
[05:39] <[Schok] Semt> yet I can set volumes within the mixer window
[05:39] <[Schok] Semt> *the [Schok]  is for a fellow gamer who died in car accident
[05:39] <[Schok] Semt> So you know...
[05:40] <evarlast> [Schok] Semt: I'm not sure.   I do know that those sound chips are not very good.  I have some old MB' with that chip.
[05:40] <LinuxJones> prego, grouping windows migh be a bit of a help
[05:41] <[Schok] Semt> evarlast, tell me about it;) Everything seems to work, only no sound and the volume control icon in taskbar just drops back to zero
[05:41] <prego> LinuxJones, yeah, but I also want my workspace switcher, my battery monitor and my system monitor; plus the menu bar lets so little space for task buttons....
[05:42] <[Schok] Semt> But it's not that big of a problem, it's just annoying to have hardware in your box wich does not work. I do not really need sound for ubuntu, it's just that it's there, so why not use it.
[05:42] <LinuxJones> prego, yeah, I use seperate virtual terminals for internet chat terminal that would certainly help out a bit as well
[05:43] <LinuxJones> prego, it would be nice to just have the application icons showing though
[05:43] <prego> LinuxJones, "Applications" is so long string!!!
[05:45] <jhaltom> Is there another mirror for cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[05:45] <jhaltom> It's really slow. =/
[05:47] <selinium_> Hi  all, has anyone here got a tv card working?
[05:47] <LinuxJones> jhaltom, did you try bittorrent
[05:48] <jhaltom> Looking for array 5 hoary
[05:48] <jhaltom> does it have a torrent?
[05:48] <LinuxJones> jhaltom, it should yeah
[05:48] <jhaltom> ahh
[05:48] <karim> hi
[05:48] <selinium_> I have just installed a old tv card, it appears to have installed coorectly (a la Device manager) but I dont know what program to install to use it. Any ideas?
[05:49] <karim> I have a problem with the gnome icons
[05:49] <karim> there is none
[05:49] <karim> in fact I upgraded a debian to a ubuntu
[05:49] <LinuxJones> jhaltom, >> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-5/
[05:49] <karim> but the icon problem was there already
[05:50] <LinuxJones> maybe something in your gnome config is messed up can you create a new test user and log in to see if they appear ?
[05:50] <Xappe> selinium_, tvtime is a nice tvapp.
[05:50] <karim> I have removed all the .gnome and .gconf folders before reloging
[05:50] <selinium_> I'll give it a go! Cheers Xappe
[05:50] <LinuxJones> karim, ahh it's warty your using ?
[05:50] <karim> LinuxJones, maybe I miss some
[05:50] <karim> nope, hoary
[05:51] <LinuxJones> karim, everyting seems to be working fine for me
[05:51] <karim> I reboooted and it went fine
[05:51] <karim> however I have bugs at boot
[05:51] <LinuxJones> karim, bugs ?
[05:51] <karim> it was there on the debian too
[05:51] <karim> yes
[05:51] <Xappe> selinium_, i get much better tv quality in linux and tvtime than windows with hauppage's own program/driver
[05:51] <LinuxJones> karim, failure to load s few modules ?
[05:51] <karim> I don't have changed much things, but this debian degraded with time
[05:52] <karim> linuxboy, yes, plus a ressource 0 bug
[05:52] <karim> I wonder if I should not reinstall a system
[05:52] <selinium_> Xappe: my card is about 9 years old. I dont think it is a hauppage card?
[05:53] <Xappe> selinium_, what chip?
[05:53] <LinuxJones> karim, >> http://ubuntuguide.org/#modprobefatalerror
[05:54] <Xappe> selinium_, is it a bt chip you should be fine I think
[05:54] <bascule> ssam: that line will rip real as well
[05:54] <selinium_> Xappe: i think it is a bt chip
[05:54] <prego> karim, why don't you create a dummy user to see if he has the same problem?
[05:55] <bascule> ssam: just make the necessary .wma to rm changes and all is good
[05:55] <Xappe> selinium_, go ahead and try ffs :)
[05:55] <selinium_> Xappe: ffs?
[05:55] <Xappe> selinium_, for f**k sake
[05:56] <selinium_> Xappe: LOL It have just done a complete scan and found no channels :(
[05:57] <Xappe> selinium_, hmm...did you connect the coax? :)
[05:57] <selinium_> Xappe: I'm not 'that' stupid! :P
[05:58] <Xappe> selinium_, it works without any issues here. my card is a bt878...
[05:59] <selinium_> Xappe: According to the Device Manager, so is mine!
[06:00] <Xappe> selinium_, strange
[06:01] <karim> prego, I have just done it, and there is the same problem
[06:01] <karim> icons are missing
[06:01] <prego> karim, bad news then :-((
[06:01] <karim> well not all the debian package were removed
[06:01] <karim> by ubuntu pakcages
[06:01] <selinium_> Xappe: I'll try a reinstall and see what happens...
[06:01] <LinuxJones> karim, did you dist-upgrade ?
[06:01] <karim> if there is a way to do that ...
[06:01] <karim> yes
[06:02] <LinuxJones> karim, is gnome-icon-theme installed ?
[06:03] <karim> can you do the pipe symbol please
[06:03] <karim> my keyboard don't want to do it
[06:03] <LinuxJones> |
[06:03] <karim> ok I got one
[06:03] <karim> :)
[06:03] <LinuxJones> :)
[06:04] <LaurenceRowe> ehelp! I've just upgraded to hoary and now x crashes as soon as I log in. any idea what might cause this?
[06:04] <bascule> linux drivers
[06:04] <bascule> nvidia drivers
[06:04] <bascule> sorry ... :(
[06:04] <LaurenceRowe> I'm using nv
[06:05] <Nermal> LaurenceRowe: esd ?
[06:05] <bascule> ok, well rm -f ~/.ICEauthority
[06:05] <Nermal> crash or just logs you back out ?
[06:05] <LaurenceRowe> how tproper crash. mouse freezes, only way out is reset button
[06:06] <Nermal> boot with pci=noacpi ?
[06:06] <LaurenceRowe> how dohow do I disable esd?
[06:06] <zenrox> i hate this simcity 3000 unlimeted (loki's port) dont work
[06:06] <Xappe> ooops, got a total system lockup
[06:06] <Xappe> had to hard reboot with the powerbutton
[06:12] <mikkel> a short one.. Has anyone got any luck with the thinkpad T series scroll-mouse-button working
[06:12] <RoBiN-aNdRe> hEy!
[06:13] <ZamRok> hEY!
[06:13] <prego> mikkel, I tried live CD in a thinkpad (sorry I don't know the actual model) without problems
[06:13] <thoreauputic> HeY!
[06:14] <prego> HEY!
[06:14] <thoreauputic> hey!
[06:15] <RoBiN-aNdRe> hey hey
[06:15] <ZamRok> Hey!Hey!
[06:15] <RoBiN-aNdRe> how you doing
[06:15] <mikkel> pergo, hmmmmm dosent work on mine
[06:15] <ZamRok> hmmmmm
[06:15] <prego> mikkel, nothing works?
[06:15] <RoBiN-aNdRe> hmmmz!
[06:15] <LinuxJones> mikkel, make sure  Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"      is under your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xf86config-4/xorg.conf file
[06:15] <mikkel> yah, but not my scroll button
[06:16] <mikkel> LinuxJones, thx, im gonna try that
[06:16] <LinuxJones> mikkel, sorry I thought you mean mouse wheel
[06:16] <prego> mikkel, ah! the thing has an own scroll button???
[06:16] <mikkel> no trackpoint
[06:16] <prego> mikkel, touch pad?
[06:16] <mikkel> yep
[06:16] <moquist> anybody here know how to configure software RAID on an already-configured Ubuntu system?
[06:16] <LinuxJones> ohh
[06:16] <mikkel> no not pad, trackpoint
[06:17] <mikkel> here are 3 buttons, the one in the middle is for scroll
[06:17] <prego> mikkel, have you connected a real mouse?
[06:17] <mikkel> yah, works fine
[06:17] <mikkel> it also work on my pad, but not on my trackp.
[06:17] <prego> However, I would try what LinuxJones said
[06:18] <mikkel> yep, thats the settings there are now
[06:18] <prego> mikkel, warty or hoary?
[06:18] <mikkel> warty
[06:18] <karim_> I got a huge crash
[06:18] <karim_> the error about the icons is :
[06:18] <karim_> Failed to load image file-manager  Details: Icon not found
[06:19] <prego> mikkel, then the file is /etx/X11/XF86Config-a
[06:19] <karim_> I also got a problem with alsa which says he doesn't find a sound card
[06:19] <prego> mikkel, then the file is /etx/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:19] <prego> (sorry)
[06:19] <mikkel> i know, but the setting are '4 ,5'
[06:19] <LaurenceRowe> Thanks #ubuntu! it was 2.6.10-4 that was causing my grief. 2.6.10-3 works fine
[06:20] <mikkel> i think i have to set some kind of value on my button_3
[06:20] <karim_> LaurenceRowe, what is the problem with 10-4 ?
[06:20] <prego> LaurenceRowe, there is a recent kernel update...
[06:20] <LaurenceRowe> froze as soon as I logged in
[06:21] <LaurenceRowe> rather logged into gnome
[06:21] <kroon> LaurenceRowe, are you using the nvidia driver ?
[06:21] <LaurenceRowe> not yet
[06:21] <LaurenceRowe> just nv
[06:21] <kroon> LaurenceRowe, ah, I thought it was an nvidia issue but I guess its more general to the kernel then
[06:22] <prego> LaurenceRowe, system panic or suspend?
[06:23] <LaurenceRowe> not sure. Mouse froze, was unable to ctrl-alt-delete, kill X or switch to a virtual terminal
[06:25] <meuserj|work> LaurenceRowe, boot to linux-image-2.6.10-4
[06:25] <meuserj|work> I mean
[06:25] <meuserj|work> -3
[06:25] <meuserj|work> -4 is broken
[06:25] <meuserj|work> to clearify:
[06:26] <meuserj|work> boot to linux-image-2.6.10-3 NOT 4
[06:26] <kroon> meuserj|work, in what way is 4 broken ?
[06:27] <zenrox> 2.6.10-4 dont have the modules for it yet
[06:27] <CarlK> does warty auto mount floppys?
[06:27] <CarlK> or, when the gf puts in a flopy, what should she do?
[06:27] <kroon> zenrox, modules for what ?
[06:27] <meuserj|work> kroon, not sure... all I know it panics when gam_server starts
[06:27] <zenrox> kroon,  every thang
[06:27] <kroon> meuserj|work, ah ok
[06:28] <meuserj|work> kroon, I'm guessing it's an inotify problem, since that's the only kernel level part that gam_server uses.
[06:29] <zenrox> meuserj|work,  the-3 ver has inotify disabled i think i can be wrong
[06:29] <kroon> meuserj|work, yeah, sounds like a good explanation
[06:29] <Xappe> mhm, on the hoary forum I read a post about that. the .4 kernel should work if you boot it with a noinotify flag of some sort
[06:29] <meuserj|work> Xappe, really.... that's interesting..
[06:29] <zenrox> that is
[06:31] <Xappe> meuserj|work, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16681&page=2&pp=10
[06:32] <prego> CarlK, try going to "Computer" in nautilus and selectting the floppy drive
[06:33] <prego> CarlK, also, do not forget to unmount the floppy when finished
[06:33] <CarlK> prego - thanks - I talked her through mount
[06:33] <CarlK> (she called from school)
[06:34] <prego> CarlK, I guess that using subfs would do it automagically
[06:34] <CarlK> prego - I looked for nautilus a while ago - what is the menu path to it?
[06:34] <prego> computer://
[06:34] <prego> or Places->computer
[06:35] <CarlK> prego - she was on a FC2 box, and that mounted stuff under /mnt/floppy and now she is doing the user thing and clicking everywhere ;)
[06:35] <prego> Btw, my SuSE fstab entry (automagic) is: /dev/fd0             /media/floppy        subfs      fs=floppyfss,procuid,nodev,nosuid,sync 0 0
[06:36] <prego> I  guess it would work in ubuntu
[06:36] <meuserj|work> zenrox, inotify being disabled in -3 would explain why beagle suddenly stopped working for me.. so that makes sense.
[06:36] <thoreauputic> CarlK: you can put a mounting applet on the panel that will mount the floppy, if you wish
[06:36] <zenrox> meuserj|work, ya thay were having a prob with it and are reworken it
[06:36] <thoreauputic> with the correct paths inserted, of course
[06:37] <karim_> should I force downgrade of my debian package to the ubuntu one or just wait that they got removed by ubuntu packages ?
[06:37] <CarlK> thoreauputic - well, right now we are just trying to figure out how to open files from her friends floppy - I think she got it
[06:38] <prego> .bash_profile is not called at login in ubuntu, is it?
[06:39] <bascule> yes
[06:39] <prego> bascule, my variables are not exported :-((
[06:39] <bascule> hmmmm, try .bashrc
[06:39] <thoreauputic> /etc/profile perhaps
[06:40] <prego> .bashrc DOES; however I had my own .bash_profile that  I will have to copy&paste to .bashrc ???
[06:40] <prego> I've always been puzzled about login shells versus non login shells.
[06:40] <thoreauputic> jst put  `source .bashrc` in that file
[06:41] <dstevens>  ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells.
[06:41] <CarlK> where is natules? apps or computer?
[06:41] <LaurenceRowe> nvidia driver appears to be broken with current hoary too. I get the nvidia logo, but the login screen never appears. can switch to a virtual console and restart gdm though
[06:41] <thoreauputic> computer >> home
[06:41] <bascule> more than I can
[06:41] <prego> THis is funny: if I enter via gdm .bash_profile is not source.But if I log via "ssh localhost" then it is !
[06:42] <CarlK> theres a home?
[06:42] <hawke_> dstevens: A login shell is when you login as a primary login, a non-login shell is as a secondary shell, e.g. with xterm or su
[06:42] <crypticreign> hmm, most gnome apps dont respond, open office wont open or create a document it just freezes
[06:42] <CarlK> that does sound familiar...
[06:42] <crypticreign> ugh
[06:42] <thoreauputic> CarlK: I think so - I'm in fluxbox atm
[06:42] <CarlK> thoreauputic - she is on a basic warty, defaults all the way
[06:43] <prego> CarlK, Places->Home
[06:43] <CarlK> places?
[06:43] <dstevens> hawke_: yup and you point is.
[06:43] <thoreauputic> CarlK: I'm pretty sure there's a "home" entry under Computer
[06:43] <prego> CarlK, at the menu above
[06:43] <karim_> should I force downgrade of my debian package to the ubuntu one or just wait that they got removed by ubuntu packages ?
[06:43] <karim_> because I did a switch from debian to ubuntu
[06:43] <prego> CarlK, oh wait, warty... however there is an entry at the menu
[06:44] <CarlK> yeah, I got too many installs too...
[06:44] <hawke_> dstevens: *sigh* ... suppose that should have gone to prego
[06:44] <dstevens> hawke_: na prob.
[06:44] <prego> CarlK, Computer->Home or Computer->Disks
[06:45] <hawke_> karim_: Your call.  It doesn't really matter that much
[06:45] <hawke_> karim_: For most packages anyway
[06:45] <CarlK> prego - thanks.
[06:46] <prego> hawke, why then bash is never called as login shell when login via gdm?
[06:46] <hawke_> prego: Because your gdm login is the primary one
[06:46] <crypticreign> hmm, theme manager and nautilus wont start either
[06:46] <crypticreign> ugh
[06:46] <hawke_> prego: And any terminals you open up from the session started with gdm are secondary shells
[06:47] <dstevens> hawke_, The GDM does it authenticate using PAM ?
[06:47] <hawke_> dstevens: I believe so.
[06:47] <LaurenceRowe> anyone running nvidia drivers and hoary?
[06:47] <prego> hawke, however, my gdm login shoud read my .bash_profile configuration and export the variables since my user shell is bash; isn't that correct?
[06:47] <prego> hawke_, however, my gdm login shoud read my .bash_profile configuration and export the variables since my user shell is bash; isn't that correct?
[06:48] <whorush> hello?
[06:48] <bascule> morning
[06:48] <prego> (sorry hawkeyes :-P )
[06:48] <karim_> hawke, thanks
[06:49] <hawke_> prego: I don't think so...since the session started by gdm is not bash.
[06:49] <crypticreign> any ideas why things just stop responding?
[06:49] <whorush> howdy, i just checked out the unofficial starter guide
[06:49] <whorush> http://ubuntuguide.org/#manualupdate
[06:49] <prego> hawke_, thanks for your help
[06:49] <whorush> and i did the manual updates
[06:49] <dstevens> prego, Nope the GDM should not read your bash_profile. as it has nothing todo with bash.
[06:50] <whorush> sudo apt-get update and then upgrade
[06:50] <whorush> does update, update some list of things to upgrade?
[06:50] <bascule> yes
[06:50] <whorush> ok, so i did them both and it updated some stuff
[06:51] <prego> dstevens, I expressed wrongly. What I meant is that when I log in the system, my shell should be called
[06:51] <bascule> well it gets the latest lists
[06:51] <whorush> right
[06:51] <hawke_> prego: That is true for a normal login
[06:51] <bascule> and the update updates them
[06:51] <whorush> but still its using firefox .9?
[06:51] <whorush> so that doesnt update software just the OS?
[06:51] <hawke_> prego: but gdm does not call your shell.
[06:51] <prego> Hannes_, but nowadays gdm logins are "normal logins"
[06:51] <bascule> yes it updates everything
[06:51] <hawke_> prego: normal yes
[06:52] <whorush> it updates everything?  why not firefox then?
[06:52] <hawke_> prego: I meant "normal login" in the sense of one that actually uses the program login instead of GDM, and immediately opens a shell
[06:53] <bascule> whorush: check what version firefox it's self returns in help -> about
[06:53] <whorush> firefox just for example
[06:53] <bborkk> Hi.  Can anyone help me get sound working with the Totem movie player?
[06:53] <bascule> bborkk: ffmpeg4
[06:53] <prego> hawke_ I don't see why GDM does not launch my shell prior to executing xinitrc or whatever...
[06:53] <hawke_> prego: Just as if your shell is other than bash, it won't read .bash_profile
[06:53] <whorush> 0.9.3
[06:53] <whorush> version 1.0 is out
[06:54] <bborkk> bascule: apt-cache search ffmpeg4 doesn't come up with anything.
[06:54] <hawke_> prego: it just doesn't.  That's the way it works. The X session is your shell in that case.
[06:54] <prego> hawke, but, shells/bash have two modes for performance reasons and if I log via gdm that is lost
[06:54] <bascule> well is is a rties and tested philosophy
[06:54] <prego> hawke_, I understand your last point. Thanks.
[06:55] <whorush> so i was just wondering if firefox should be updated wtih an apt-get update and then upgrade
[06:55] <bascule> bborkk: drop the 4 ... sheesh
[06:55] <bascule> gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:56] <prego> hawke_, dstevens, from now on I always will enable "login shell" at my gnome-terminal profiles
[06:57] <prego> that option has a weird name in my locale ;.P
[06:58] <hawke_> prego: That's probably the easiest solution
[06:58] <Kokey> somthing it's wrong with gnome in hoary?
[06:58] <hawke_> prego: Personally, I think the distinction between login and non-login shells is rather pointless.  But there's probably some historical reason for it.
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Kokey: or just, something's wrong with gnome ;-)
[06:59] <Kokey> do not start up, don't display the applets and get freeze
[06:59] <Kokey> thoreauputic, hehehehe
[06:59] <Kokey> I have to install xfce :P
[06:59] <prego> hawke_, there is the reason of the scripts
[06:59] <thoreauputic> apt-get install fluxbox :)
[07:00] <prego> hawke_, however scripts user sh and users use more advanced shells
[07:00] <prego> user -> use
[07:01] <crypticreign> strange, nautilus doesnt respond when starting the command from bash
[07:02] <lucas_brazil> hi! i'm trying to configure my soundcard but i'm not getting it to work, anyone would help me please?
[07:03] <whorush> what kind of sound card, i'm also trying to get mine to work
[07:04] <whorush> mine is integrated into my nforce2 chipset
[07:06] <lucas_brazil> mine is a Creative ViBRA16X, i'm trying to install module snd_sb16, and it won't work because it can't allocate the resources.
[07:06] <evarlast> ISAPNP is a PITA
[07:06] <whorush> right, i went to the device manager and i see it there, and it looks like there is a driver for it, but it doesnt play
[07:06] <lucas_brazil> what is PITA?
[07:07] <whorush> it says nforce2 ac97 audio controller (mcp)
[07:07] <evarlast> pita = pain in the ass
[07:07] <thoreauputic> lucas_brazil: pain in the a*
[07:07] <lucas_brazil> oh.... in fact!
[07:08] <whorush> ok, here's a question
[07:09] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: try strace nautilus t see what nautilus has a problem with
[07:09] <whorush> i remember the nforce chipsets not having open source dirvers
[07:09] <duncanm> on my other boxes, less can show the listing of compressed files
[07:09] <whorush> so they arent supported in linux
[07:09] <duncanm> how do i do the same on ubuntu?
[07:10] <lucas_brazil> in fact isapnp detects the card, but it can't install the module, even though i put it in /etc/modules
[07:10] <whorush> do you guys know what i mean?
[07:10] <lucas_brazil> do you know wich are the commands that deal with isa
[07:10] <JDigital> Should by screen be running at 68.9KHz? I think that might be giving me eye-strain.
[07:10] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: ok
[07:10] <JDigital> because I've been getting eyestrain or something ever since installing ubuntu
[07:10] <Xappe> whorush, i have a nforce2 onboard sound card, and it worked out of the box with ubuntu. have no harware mixing though, so i'm stuck with the sucky sound servers
[07:11] <lucas_brazil> i've gone once into a forum, where there is a topic on Debian and nForce2, maybe if you search there you could get some light.
[07:11] <WeirdAl> how do I send a message beginning with / in xchat? Ctrl-enter doesn't work :-\
[07:11] <JDigital> /
[07:11] <JDigital> er
[07:11] <JDigital> start the line with an extra slash
[07:11] <JDigital> //like this
[07:11] <spiral> hi everybody
[07:11] <WeirdAl> Oh :-)
[07:11] <WeirdAl> Learn something new every day.
[07:11] <JDigital> yeah
[07:12] <WeirdAl> And then you blog it.
[07:12] <WeirdAl> 'lo spiral
[07:12] <JDigital> how do I change the vertical refresh rate
[07:13] <tritium> Hey there WeirdAl!
[07:14] <whorush> it worked out of the box for you, eh?
[07:14] <whorush> where was that forum?
[07:14] <whorush> nvidia has linux drivers for the nf
[07:14] <whorush> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0292
[07:15] <whorush> i remember that open source distros didnt support them since they werent open soruce
[07:15] <whorush> but maybe those would do the trick?
[07:15] <whorush> do you guys think i should try?
[07:15] <Goshawk> is there someone that uses openoffice on hoary?
[07:15] <tritium> WeirdAl, how is the java .deb working for you?
[07:15] <crimsun> Goshawk: I do.
[07:15] <Goshawk> (it's not an ambiguos question)
[07:16] <crypticreign> i cant get openoffice to do anything on warty
[07:16] <Goshawk> crimsun, can you apoen a writer document write someting and save?
[07:16] <crypticreign> it starts.. but then freezes when you try to do anything
[07:16] <Goshawk> it crashes!
[07:16] <tritium> I have it installed, but only use it to view M$ files that people send me.
[07:16] <crimsun> Goshawk: absolutely, just did that about 10 minutes ago
[07:16] <Goshawk> like on mine
[07:16] <Xappe> whorush, maybe the restricted modules? (if you don't have them already)
[07:16] <Goshawk> crimsun, in the sense that it crashs or not?
[07:17] <WeirdAl> lo tritium
[07:17] <Goshawk> i've tried it 2 times
[07:17] <WeirdAl> Azureus works :-)
[07:17] <lucas_brazil> anyone has some clue on how to setup my isa Creative ViBRA 16X?
[07:17] <crimsun> Goshawk: does not crash.
[07:17] <tritium> Glad to hear it.
[07:17] <WeirdAl> Guess the JRE works then
[07:17] <tritium> :)
[07:17] <Goshawk> crimsun, are you in amd64?
[07:17] <crimsun> Goshawk: i686 (Pentium 4)
[07:18] <WeirdAl> So what's the best IDE that'll run on Ubuntu?
[07:18] <Goshawk> me too!
[07:18] <LaurenceRowe> emacs ;-)
[07:18] <Goshawk> it's very strange
[07:18] <WeirdAl> Shup Laurence :-P
[07:18] <thor|afk> WeirdAl: you could try Anjuta
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[07:18] <LaurenceRowe> there's always eclipse if you do java
[07:18] <crimsun> Goshawk: are you saving as .sxw?
[07:18] <WeirdAl> I was gonna see if there was onw that'd do anything.
[07:19] <apal> Hi there
[07:19] <apal> Would someone help me ? I have a compilation problem
[07:19] <Goshawk> crimsun, just cliccking the save button (the floppy disk button at the bar)
[07:19] <thor|afk> WeirdAl: anjuta is in universe
[07:19] <crimsun> Goshawk: mine works fine.
[07:19] <Goshawk> -__-
[07:19] <Goshawk> crimsun, openoffice 1.1.3?
[07:20] <lucas_brazil> bye folks, other time i will return
[07:20] <WeirdAl> I'm googling so I can have a look at it :-)
[07:20] <tritium> WeirdAl, apt-cache show anjuta
[07:21] <tritium> that'll give you some info on it
[07:21] <crimsun> Goshawk: [1.1.3-2.3ubuntu8] 
[07:22] <prego> WeirdAl, Nedit for me
[07:22] <prego> (not an IDE, though)
[07:22] <WeirdAl> I guessed :-P
[07:22] <Goshawk> me too -__-
[07:23] <tritium> mdz, thanks for the mythtv packages.  They're great!
[07:23] <Goshawk> uhm... there is also openoffice.org2
[07:23] <prego> WeirdAl, Anjuta is in bypass... soon Anjuta2 is to be released
[07:23] <Goshawk> gonna try it
[07:23] <WeirdAl> I think I'll stick to the sourceforge homepage to see what it can do :-)
[07:23] <WeirdAl> If it doesn't have a class browser then it's gonna be demoted to the level of Codewarrior.
[07:23] <WeirdAl> And that's Not A Good Place
[07:24] <calvin> anyone have a moment to help getting perl working with Apache2?
[07:25] <prego> WeirdAl, Nedit has not class browser. Anjuta has. There is also the "sourcenavigator" RH thing...
[07:25] <calvin> perl is fine, apache is fine, but when i try to execute a .pl file it gives me the Open/Save dialog
[07:26] <calvin> i have the .load symlink created in mods-enabled
[07:26] <echylo> hello
[07:26] <echylo> how hard can a hoary update be?
[07:27] <WeirdAl> Does Anjuta happen to be compatible with MSDEV .NET?
[07:27] <calvin> any apache2 experts out there?
[07:28] <thor|afk> WeirdAl: you're kidding, right?
[07:28] <Echylo> what's wrong calvin?
[07:28] <Echylo> php prob?
[07:28] <calvin> hi, thanks
[07:28] <prego> Echylo, about 600Mb hard
[07:29] <calvin> the problem is that when i open a .pl file in a browser i get the Open/Save dialog
[07:29] <Echylo> a perl?
[07:29] <calvin> yes
[07:29] <calvin> php is working fine
[07:29] <Echylo> have you installed the libapache2-perl ??
[07:29] <calvin> yes
[07:29] <Echylo> hmm
[07:29] <Echylo> have you restarted apace?
[07:29] <Echylo> apache
[07:29] <Echylo> 2
[07:29] <Echylo> :p
[07:29] <Echylo> hmm prego its busy downloading
[07:29] <calvin> yes
[07:29] <Echylo> hmm
[07:30] <Echylo> have you tried to reinstall apache2 ?
[07:30] <calvin> i've also created a symlink in mods-enabled
[07:30] <Echylo> hmm
[07:30] <calvin> no, i haven't
[07:30] <Echylo> well try just to reinstall
[07:30] <calvin> i won't lose any config will i?
[07:30] <Echylo> ow
[07:30] <Echylo> I think you will
[07:30] <Echylo> apache2 will autoconfig it again I guess
[07:31] <Echylo> as far as I know
[07:31] <WeirdAl> thor -- no
[07:31] <calvin> it took some tinkering to get php working and i'd hate to redo it...
[07:31] <WeirdAl> Why would I be kidding?
[07:31] <Echylo> well I had probs with php too
[07:31] <Echylo> but I think reinstalling it helped
[07:31] <WeirdAl> If it does MSDEV as well, then I can compile and test on the only computer that's gonna be capable of running it.
[07:31] <WeirdAl> After all, Open Office supports Word XP
[07:31] <calvin> do you have perl working on your server?
[07:32] <calvin> anything you had to do besides installing the module?
[07:32] <Echylo> I just installed modules
[07:32] <Echylo> then apache2
[07:32] <Echylo> and maked sure that apache was removed
[07:32] <Echylo> (1)
[07:32] <calvin> ok, here goes
[07:32] <Echylo> don't be mad if it doesn't work
[07:33] <DagaZ> anyone here set up ldap in ubuntu warty?
[07:33] <entius> To allow FTP through IPTABLES, it is enough to open source and destination ports 20 and 21, right? i cannot access to ftp repositories debian-marillat with synaptic and i guess it is an iptables bad configuration ...
[07:33] <njan> entius, no, it's not. Firewalling FTP is a pita.
[07:34] <entius> what is a pita?
[07:34] <entius> very complex?
[07:34] <njan> pain in the arse :)
[07:34] <entius> ok
[07:34] <njan> bbiab
[07:35] <calvin> ok, i removed and reinstalled apache2
[07:35] <entius> the problem is that iptables is implemented in a router that closes everything by default. I have opened ports 20 and 21, are you suggesting to open all ports marked with SYN, ...?
[07:35] <calvin> still having the .pl problem
[07:35] <Echylo> hmm
[07:35] <Echylo> restarted apache?
[07:36] <Echylo> but he does that
[07:36] <Echylo> so
[07:36] <fsc> has anybody been playing around the xgl server?
[07:36] <Echylo> sure that the lib for apache2 is installed?
[07:37] <Echylo> I'm not much helpy am I
[07:37] <calvin> yes, i doublechecked with dpkg -i
[07:37] <Echylo> any1 else can help calvin with his apache2 prob?
[07:37] <calvin> dpkg -l, i mean
[07:38] <calvin> do i need a perl.conf file?
[07:38] <walexy> hello
[07:38] <calvin> in addition to perl.load?
[07:38] <calvin> hi
[07:38] <Echylo> this is as far my apache knowledge reaches
[07:38] <calvin> can you check to see if you have an perl.conf file?
[07:38] <calvin> in /etc/apache2/mods-available/
[07:38] <Echylo> I don't have perl installed
[07:39] <calvin> oh, ok
[07:39] <entius> calvin, could you repeat your problem?
[07:39] <evarlast> calvin: you need mod_cgi installed.
[07:39] <evarlast> calvin: and you need to run the .pl file either in a script aliased directory, or enable pl as a cig extension
[07:39] <evarlast> s/cig/cgi/
[07:40] <walexy> has anyone here had trouble witht their keyboard locking up when installing uduntu?
[07:40] <walexy> er ubuntu
[07:40] <DagaZ> walexy: nope..
[07:40] <bretzel> calvin: Just in case you would be interested: I've downloaded and installed XAMPP for linux (http://www.apachefriends.org) and seems to work great for my needs ...
[07:41] <calvin> do you know the name of the cgi deb?
[07:41] <evarlast> calvin: its part of std. apache.
[07:42] <evarlast> calvin: just make sure that it is enabled.  /etc/apache2/mods-enabled should symlink to /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgi.log
[07:42] <evarlast> s/log/load/
[07:43] <evarlast> calvin: maybe you need : AddHandler cgi-script .pl
[07:43] <crypticreign> jeesh gedit wont even start
[07:43] <neighborlee> did they change the repository ?..i'm trying (  warty) to install gftp after fresh install and its complaining ( synaptic) that  gftp: depends: gftp-gtk but 2.0.17-6ubuntu0-2 is to be installed and that gftp-text: but it is not going to be installed ..anyone seeing this ??;-))
[07:44] <IRCsloth> quick question: Looking to make a change to my grub.conf (running hoary) but I can't seem to find it. Am I blind or does ubuntu not use a grub.conf?
[07:44] <calvin> evarlast, that was right
[07:44] <crypticreign> actually.. i cant get any programs to start now
[07:45] <calvin> i needed Addhandler for .pl
[07:45] <prego> IRCsloth, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:45] <calvin> now i'm past the Open/Save dialog and am getting a permissions error instead
[07:45] <calvin> yeah, progress!
[07:45] <IRCsloth> prego: thanks!
[07:45] <darkxsun> can any U.S. ubuntu/shipit users tell me how long it took them to receive ubuntu cd's through the system?
[07:47] <crypticreign> i need to figure out what is making everything stop responding
[07:48] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: yes, I see the same thing on gftp when attempting dist-upgrade : something is broken
[07:48] <Echylo> how long does ubuntu upgrade to hoary takes after downloading the packages
[07:48] <WeirdAl> What do I do with .a files?
[07:48] <Echylo> or is that system depended
[07:48] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, oh ok thx ;l-)
[07:49] <apal_> Hello there
[07:49] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, also yeah..I was searching through forum and found someone else with the issue...thx for verification as well
[07:49] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, I think its a plot to get us to use the feature in nautilius LOL
[07:49] <apal_> Would someone say me how to fix this problem ?
[07:49] <apal_> Library requirements (gtkglext-1.0) not met
[07:49] <walexy> anyone here running ubuntu on blue/white g3?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: which feature is that?
[07:50] <ompaul> WeirdAl, why not give us a clue with a full name and path of this file
[07:50] <WeirdAl> I apt-got anjuta and now I have some .a files, some .la files, and some .so/.so.0/.so.0.0 type files...
[07:51] <walexy> installing ubuntu has been a pain
[07:51] <WeirdAl> There's libanjuta_clsGen.a
[07:51] <ompaul> WeirdAl, okay
[07:51] <WeirdAl> libanjuta_patch
[07:51] <ompaul> WeirdAl, context is always good :)
[07:51] <WeirdAl> libanjuta_sample1
[07:52] <tritium> WeirdAl, you didn't install anjuta from apt?
[07:52] <WeirdAl> Well I like to ask broad questions in case there's a broad answer. Gets things done quicker :-)
[07:52] <WeirdAl> I did. I did apt-get install anjuta and I got these.
[07:52] <walexy> Keyboard locks up at the reboot screen, and apparently files have to be moved and edited in the console before the install will work properly
[07:52] <tritium> WeirdAl, got what?  Where?
[07:52] <WeirdAl> these .a files I've been talking about.
[07:53] <WeirdAl> in /usr/lib/anjuta
[07:53] <tritium> ok
[07:53] <ompaul> WeirdAl, you are looking at library files - common resources that might just be used by the program
[07:53] <tritium> WeirdAl, so what's the question?
[07:53] <WeirdAl> Well if I don't need to do anything with these .a files, where's the program at?
[07:53] <Echylo> ./a
[07:53] <Echylo> :p
[07:53] <Echylo> ow
[07:53] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: just type anjuta
[07:53] <Echylo> nvm
[07:54] <Echylo> this is pure nonsense
[07:54] <ompaul> WeirdAl, type which anjunta
[07:54] <apal_> Please, can someone explain me how to install the "gtkglext-1.0" in Warty ?
[07:54] <Madeye> guys, is there a program to show me the Caller ID when phone ring?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: it should also be in your menu
[07:54] <WeirdAl> That's what I thought
[07:54] <WeirdAl> I was looking for it in the filesystem because I couldn't find it in the menu
[07:55] <ompaul> WeirdAl, that will tell you where it lives on the machine before it calls to the /usr/lib/ajunta directory for resources that it wants
[07:55] <WeirdAl> It's telling me it's in /usr/bin/anjuta...
[07:55] <WeirdAl> which means I need to run nautilus with sudo to see it.
[07:55] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: yup
[07:55] <WeirdAl> :-
[07:55] <WeirdAl> :-)
[07:56] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: that's the binary - not much use looking at that is there?
[07:56] <ompaul> WeirdAl, or you could just type /usr/bin/ajunta or because that path (/usr/bin/) is available to you typing ajunta should make it work
[07:56] <PacoBCN> Hi people. A friend of mine just told me he can't install Ubuntu in his new computer because it doesn't recognize the USB keyboard. Anyone with the same problem?
[07:57] <WeirdAl> Well I was using Nautilus to find something I could use to create a launcher.
[07:57] <walexy> <--PACO
[07:57] <WeirdAl> According to Nautilus, the only thing in /usr/bin is X11
[07:57] <walexy> I'm having the same problem
[07:58] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: well, there's a bucket load of stuff in /usr/bin - trust me
[07:58] <walexy> I can get through most of the install screens but if I wait too long the keyboard will just lock up
[07:58] <WeirdAl> thor: that's what I thought..
[07:58] <WeirdAl> But the fact I couldn't see any scared me, so I decided to ask :-)
[07:58] <topyli> WeirdAl: my /usr/bin has 2022 files
[07:58] <calvin> ok, any Apache people out there now?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> so just make your launcher and type anjuta or /usr/bin/anjuta in the command field
[07:58] <WeirdAl> It's OK though because I worked out what I was doing wrong ages ago.
[07:59] <walexy> no lookin for ubuntu people
[07:59] <ompaul> WeirdAl, don't be scared, be curious :)
[07:59] <calvin> i'm trying to setup perl with apache2
[07:59] <calvin> making progress, but getting a 403 forbidden error trying to browse to a perl script
[07:59] <WeirdAl> This "[18:54]  <ompaul> WeirdAl, type which anjunta" was when I realised I was looking for a separate directory for anjuta
[08:00] <walexy> sounds like a permissions error
[08:00] <IorGie> someone here expericence with software raid 0?
[08:00] <WeirdAl> The reason I didn't find it in bin is because I was looking in the tree for it.
[08:00] <PacoBCN> Hi people. A friend of mine just told me he can't install Ubuntu in his new computer because it doesn't recognize the USB keyboard. Anyone with the same problem?
[08:00] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: ah IC  ;)
[08:01] <walexy> Paco: I'm having the same problem
[08:01] <PacoBCN> Walexy, did you find a way to fix it?
[08:01] <prego> WeirdAl, Write down 100 times "I will use spatial Nautilus" ;-P
[08:01] <walexy> nope, that's why I'm here
[08:01] <prego> (then the simpsons begin)
[08:01] <IorGie> @PacoBCN: no problems here. Try using the ps/2 adapter
[08:01] <walexy> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my blue/white g3
[08:02] <topyli> nobody uses spatial to browse root filesystem i guess :)
[08:02] <PacoBCN> the problem is that new computers don't come with ps2 plugs anymore
[08:02] <prego> toffy, I do
[08:02] <PacoBCN> so can't plug an old keyboard
[08:02] <prego> topyli, I do
[08:02] <prego> toffy, sorry
[08:02] <IorGie> new keyboards come with an adapter :D
[08:02] <PacoBCN> walexy, did you ever had any answer from developers?
[08:02] <topyli> hmm. you get lots of windows i guess
[08:02] <walexy> paco: can your friend use the keyboard at all?
[08:03] <PacoBCN> at all
[08:03] <PacoBCN> doesn't recognize it
[08:03] <walexy> I'ne searched the forums and googled it but I didn't find an answer. That's why I'm here
[08:03] <prego> PacoBCN, I guess the install CD is not aware of that kind of configuration
[08:03] <walexy> paco: is it a mac?
[08:03] <PacoBCN> nop
[08:03] <prego> walexy, he he, a mac mini ?
[08:03] <PacoBCN> dell dimension 5000
[08:04] <ompaul> WeirdAl, maybe having a look at this information on file system layout might be useful
[08:04] <ompaul> WeirdAl,  http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_02.html
[08:04] <WeirdAl> thanks omp
[08:04] <WeirdAl> :-)
[08:04] <walexy> mac mini
[08:04] <walexy> is anyone buying those things
[08:04] <ompaul> WeirdAl, read it and be at one with the file system
[08:04] <prego> PacoBCN, Did you try the live CDs? (warty or hoary)?
[08:04] <PacoBCN> he tryed both
[08:05] <topyli> prego: desktops are spatial, filesystems are not IMO
[08:05] <prego> prego, and did'nt success
[08:05] <thoreauputic> walexy: why would they not? Amazing little machines....
[08:05] <PacoBCN> I guess this is something they will have to solve
[08:06] <prego> topyli, probably. however I prefer playing spatial nowadays. Perhaps because I'm fool and it sounds cool ;-)
[08:06] <PacoBCN> because they're cutting off a lot of people
[08:06] <walexy> Seems like too much for little to me. But to each his own
[08:06] <ompaul> walexy, hang on til I hack apples sales dept, then I can answer your question :-)  [according to another channel you can wait anything from a day to several weeks for one depending on where you order it] 
[08:06] <darkxsun> can any U.S. ubuntu/shipit users tell me how long it took them to receive ubuntu cd's through the system?
[08:06] <Epicurus> hi there
[08:06] <prego> PacoBCN, Not so much people, but I'sure that it will be solved soon
[08:06] <walexy> :)
[08:06] <PacoBCN> Prego, Epicurus is my friend
[08:06] <topyli> prego: go ahead, you can be a spatial pioneer :)
[08:06] <Epicurus> hi prego
[08:06] <PacoBCN> He'll be able to describe better his problem
[08:07] <ompaul> darkxsun, slower than downloading it on torrent and building a bootable CD, which leaves out the randomness of the US post
[08:07] <Epicurus> it's just as you said paco ... it doesn't boot
[08:07] <Epicurus> sorry
[08:07] <prego> PacoBCN, Epicurus I see the problem...
[08:07] <Epicurus> it doesn't work
[08:07] <darkxsun> ompaul: not on dial-up
[08:07] <walexy> the disk doesn't boot?
[08:07] <WillCooke> Anyone know about evms?!
[08:07] <PacoBCN> Prego, which type of adaptors were you talking about?
[08:07] <ompaul> darkxsun, do you know anyone with broadband?
[08:07] <Epicurus> prego : I tried to disable ACPI, APIC, whatever .... but that didn't help either
[08:08] <walexy> PS/2
[08:08] <Epicurus> prego : I tried to search a "Legacy keyboard support" option in the BIOS but I was unluky as well ...
[08:08] <prego> PacoBCN, Sorry, you are confusing the poster... but if you had a ps2 port you might plug a keyboard there
[08:08] <PacoBCN> walexy, it has no ps/2 connector
[08:08] <PacoBCN> just USB
[08:08] <Epicurus> prego : I can boot knoppix and use the keyboard anyway
[08:08] <walexy> maybe updating the firmware will work
[08:08] <darkxsun> ompaul: yea, a couple...
[08:09] <prego> Epicurus, then it is as I said a problem of that choice not be considered yet in ubuntu
[08:09] <marcin_ant> hello - I got a question about user programs menu - applications:/// in nautilus doesn't work - is this broken in hoary?
[08:09] <PacoBCN> Epicuris, weird, Knoppix should work as well as LiveCD
[08:09] <ompaul> darkxsun, it might be worth your while to ask them and have it in a couple of hours
[08:09] <darkxsun> ompaul: ok. thanks.
[08:09] <prego> marcin_ant, no longer in hoary :-((
[08:09] <walexy> prego, what do you mean?
[08:09] <Epicurus> prego : any solution in sight ? Or should I switch back to fedora ? :(
[08:09] <PacoBCN> Epicurus, I've read about a way to install from LIVECD
[08:10] <prego> I mean that if Knoppix can and ubuntu cannot is because that configuration has not yet been considered by the installer
[08:10] <Epicurus> PacoBCN : doesn't matter ... neither LIVECD nor InstallCD have the keyb working
[08:10] <PacoBCN> just wondering if debian is able to install
[08:10] <walexy> Epicurus: my usb keyboard works with limited success but I'm on a mac
[08:10] <PacoBCN> you can always migrate from Debian
[08:10] <Epicurus> prego: I see ... is there anyway I can contact the developers ?
[08:10] <prego> Epicurus, there is a solution, AFAIK, you could install knoppix and convert it to ubuntu. Don't ask me how, but people here sometimes do that kind of things
[08:11] <PacoBCN> Epicurus, in the forum
[08:11] <Epicurus> prego : that's a very NASTY thing
[08:11] <walexy> is the USB thing a red herring?
[08:11] <prego> Epicurus, sure it is. You may wait a bit.
[08:11] <Epicurus> PacoBCN : someother people already complained about this problem in the forum and nobody answered ...
[08:11] <prego> Epicurus, probably when hoary becomes stable that will be solved
[08:12] <Epicurus> ok, then i'll have to wait
[08:12] <Epicurus> :(
[08:12] <Benjamin_L> is the current "focus" method of metacity intended ? its not very intuitive atm ?
[08:12] <prego> It's a pitty
[08:12] <PacoBCN> Probably asking about it in the Hoary forum
[08:12] <prego> PacoBCN, Not going to see the match?
[08:12] <PacoBCN> I support Real Madrid, Prego :D
[08:12] <walexy> I'm sorry to be such a pain, but tons of people have successfully installed using USB keyboards
[08:13] <prego> PacoBCN, :-(((( ;-P
[08:13] <walexy> it has got to be something else
[08:13] <Epicurus> ah coo, si los tres hablamos castellano :D
[08:13] <larsrohdin> hi, how can i make ubuntu not syncronizing the clock on the net?
[08:13] <prego> Epicurus, walexy PacoBCN I have not experience at all with USB keyboards.
[08:13] <Epicurus> walexy : yes ... I knwo ... but not me!! maybe it's something about the dell dimension 5000
[08:13] <marcin_ant> prego: why it this broken or there is another solution?
[08:14] <prego> At the beginning it sound weird so I supposed that it was not supported. Sorry if I have disturbed you.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: on boot, or any time? On boot I just hold down Ctrl-C when that bit arrives in the sequence (if I'm not connected)
[08:15] <prego> marcin_ant, because menus follow the freedesktop policy, and there is not a GUI for changing them right now
[08:15] <brad1> sorry i got cut fof
[08:15] <brad1> off
[08:15] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic, sorry i wasn't so specific... i mean on boot.
[08:15] <prego> marcin_ant, I guess someone is working to make that possible
[08:15] <brad1> whiprush
[08:15] <marcin_ant> prego: I really don't get it
[08:15] <brad1> i downloaded 4.10 last night
[08:15] <walexy> the whole keyboard thing is a frustrating problem
[08:15] <Epicurus> is it possible to upgrade from woody to ubuntu ?
[08:15] <brad1> and it installed firefox 0.9.3
[08:15] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic, ctrl c... but isn't it possible to disable it somehow?
[08:15] <marcin_ant> prego: AFAIK davyd was working on this to enable menus editing in 2.10
[08:16] <marcin_ant> prego: and now what?
[08:16] <prego> marcin_ant, the SAME menus are now available through both gnome and KDE
[08:16] <marcin_ant> prego: there will not be any way to edit menus in future in gnome?
[08:16] <prego> marcin_ant, now you can wait or to see how to manually editing them :-(
[08:16] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: well, yes I guess in the /etc/init.d/ntpdate script or somewhere like that
[08:16] <prego> marcin_ant, I don't know but I really expect so!
[08:17] <prego> marcin_ant, I mean I expect they will be editable again
[08:17] <Echylo> stupid question
[08:17] <marcin_ant> prego: I understand that developers want them to be compatible with freedesktop spec
[08:17] <prego> marcin_ant, perhaps it is just a question of writting a new gnome_vfs plugin for the new menus or sth like that
[08:17] <jono> somehow I changed my login screen where you click on a username and then type password, how do I change it back to the default?
[08:17] <Echylo> can you add someone to a conversation in gaim
[08:17] <Echylo> and how?
[08:17] <marcin_ant> prego: but for me it's yet another feature regression in gnome :(
[08:17] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic, any idea on what i can change in that file to disable it?
[08:18] <prego> marcin_ant, let's hope it is yet another transient feature regression
[08:18] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: umm ... I'd have to look (I don't bother)
[08:18] <prego> marcin_ant, perhaps you have to use KDE to edit the menus :-P
[08:19] <prego> have to go... I suport Bara ;-) see you soon
[08:19] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: you could probably disable it with the update-rc.d utility
[08:20] <Benjamin_L> how do i disable this stupid focussing in metacity ?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: update-rc.d - install and remove System-V style init script links  (from the man page)
[08:20] <larsrohdin> i found something in the ubuntu guide
[08:21] <topyli> Benjamin_L: what sort of focusing?
[08:21] <meuserj|work> Benjamin_L, how is metacity focus not intuitive?
[08:21] <larsrohdin> im going to try it out
[08:21] <Benjamin_L> meuserj|work, well do you want to put new opened windows under all existing ones ?
[08:21] <Benjamin_L> or generally new ones under existing ones, happens on several ocasions
[08:22] <meuserj|work> Benjamin_L, haven't experienced that myself
[08:22] <topyli> hmm.
[08:22] <Echylo> how long does update to hoary takes
[08:22] <Echylo> after the fetching
[08:22] <Benjamin_L> opening nautilus when chatting here puts it anywhere but on top
[08:23] <dstevens> Has anyone had problems compiling Asterisk on ubuntu, it squeeking about ssl.
[08:23] <topyli> Benjamin_L: what do you use for irc?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Benjamin_L:  you might want to search the mailing list archive - I seem to recall this has come up
[08:23] <Benjamin_L> topyli, xchat as provided with ubuntu
[08:24] <Benjamin_L> thoreauputic, is there a metacity specific one ?
[08:24] <topyli> perhaps you have xchat set as "always on top" :)
[08:24] <Benjamin_L> of gnome
[08:24] <Benjamin_L> or
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Benjamin_L: I just meant the users list
[08:24] <thoreauputic> for Ubuntu
[08:24] <Benjamin_L> ah ok
[08:25] <meuserj|work> Benjamin_L, sorry, but I haven't experienced that at all... whenever I open a new window, it is on top.  Reguardless of which focus behavior I choose.
[08:26] <Epicurus> bye bye
[08:27] <Echylo> anybody who knows this game?
[08:27] <Echylo> http://tmptue.nl.eu.org/edsger/gamequiz0.gif
[08:29] <goldfish_> Echylo: xenon
[08:29] <Echylo> sure?
[08:30] <goldfish_> could be xenon 2
[08:30] <Echylo> it's a windows game I think
[08:30] <goldfish_> yeah
[08:30] <goldfish_> windows game
[08:30] <goldfish_> made by the bitmap brothers
[08:30] <Echylo> thanks :)
[08:30] <goldfish_> np
[08:31] <goldfish_> looks like it is xenon 2
[08:32] <sewoyl> make me think of raptor i kindof liked that game
[08:32] <Echylo> or tyrian
[08:32] <Echylo> but it isn't
[08:32] <sewoyl> but raptor was with some fighter jet
[08:32] <sewoyl> tyrian also! gosh I had forgotten that name ^^
[08:32] <Echylo> :)
[08:33] <sewoyl> some good  memories :)
[08:33] <Echylo> maybe it's older for you then for me
[08:33] <Echylo> ;)
[08:33] <Echylo> which was a subtile question for your age
[08:33] <Echylo> :p
[08:33] <goldfish_> haha
[08:36] <Echylo> i'm 17 btw
[08:36] <Echylo> so It's not that long ago
[08:36] <Echylo> since I've played those games
[08:36] <Echylo> and I compute since I am
[08:36] <thoreauputic> Echylo:  Whippersnapper!
[08:36] <Echylo> 7
[08:36] <Echylo> I think
[08:36] <Echylo> is that an insult thoreauputic ?
[08:37] <thoreauputic> no, an endearment, really ;)
[08:37] <sewoyl> Echylo, I'm not much older I'm 21
[08:37] <Echylo> is it german again?
[08:37] <Echylo> ow ok ;)
[08:37] <thoreauputic> no
[08:37] <Echylo> its still 4 years full of games
[08:37] <Echylo> it looks like schnappie
[08:37] <Echylo> das kleine krokodil
[08:37] <Echylo> :P
[08:37] <Echylo> but I won't sing it
[08:38] <Echylo> cause it's horrible
[08:38] <Pluk> schnappie is cool!
[08:38] <Echylo> tomorrow I go to germany btw
[08:38] <Echylo> for 2 days
[08:38] <Echylo> trier
[08:38] <Pluk> nice
[08:38] <Echylo> & manderscheid
[08:38] <sewoyl> Echylo, where are you now?
[08:38] <Echylo> belgium
[08:38] <Benjamin_L> schnappie yeah ^^ but i kinda like tweety better ;)
[08:39] <sewoyl> Echylo, same here ^^
[08:39] <Echylo> namur?
[08:39] <Echylo> :p
[08:39] <Pluk> nothing beats bender
[08:39] <sewoyl> Echylo, ^^not too far
[08:39] <Echylo> Tiscali! Goplus Fastdsl
[08:39] <Echylo> is your whois telling me
[08:39] <Echylo> pretty much people from belgium using ubuntu
[08:40] <sewoyl> yeah and you are on skynet ... didn't you watch the Terminator ? You'll be respondible of the end of mankind!
[08:40] <Echylo> why?
[08:40] <sewoyl> responsible*
[08:40] <goldfish_> Echylo: Where is that quiz you are doing?
[08:40] <sewoyl> Echylo, skynet is the name of the super computer that want to take over the world in the Terminator series
[08:40] <Echylo> ow
[08:40] <Echylo> goldfish
[08:41] <Echylo> is a dutch site
[08:41] <goldfish_> ah right :)
[08:41] <Echylo> www.tweaking-gamers.com
[08:41] <hypn0> sewoyl: its a film :-P
[08:41] <Echylo> you can still check out the pictures
[08:41] <goldfish_> cool
[08:41] <goldfish_> thanks
[08:41] <Echylo> games algemeen
[08:41] <Echylo> the last topic I posted in I guess
[08:41] <sewoyl> hypn0, you know I was joking, right ? ^^
[08:41] <topyli> the computer that will take over the world will probably run ubuntu
[08:42] <sewoyl> lol
[08:42] <topyli> or longhorn perhaps, the armageddon is nearing
[08:42] <hypn0> sewoyl: yep, i just couldnt resist :-)
[08:42] <Echylo> lol topyli
[08:43] <Echylo> just call it microsoft in general
[08:43] <topyli> prepare!
[08:43] <Echylo> well
[08:43] <Echylo> damn
[08:43] <Echylo> that updating takes long
[08:43] <Echylo> its unpacking things now
[08:43] <Echylo> office stuff
[08:43] <Echylo> unpacking & replacing
[08:44] <Echylo> and I guess it isn't alphabetic
[08:44] <topyli> hmm. Echylo's upgrade took over #ubuntu at least that's for sure :)
[08:44] <Echylo> ?
[08:44] <Echylo> I talk too much? :p
[08:44] <topyli> heh
[08:44] <Benjamin_L> ^^
[08:45] <Echylo> damn
[08:45] <Echylo> well compare me to the donkey in shrek 2
[08:45] <Echylo> I love him
[08:45] <sewoyl> hmm Echylo, please dont redirect your stderr to this channel
[08:45] <sewoyl> lol (teasing)
[08:45] <Echylo> stderr ?
[08:46] <sewoyl> the error output! that is where all error messages are supposed to go ^^
[08:46] <Echylo> I ain't telling you errors
[08:46] <sewoyl> I know
[08:46] <Echylo> I just share my experiences
[08:47] <Echylo> now it's setting up things
[08:47] <topyli> tell us what's broken once it's finished :)
[08:47] <Echylo> omg
[08:47] <Echylo> how mean
[08:48] <Echylo> back to normal
[08:48] <thoreauputic> /lastlog Echylo nearly breaks my client here ... </joke>
[08:48] <Echylo> ok
[08:48] <Echylo> i'll shut up
[08:48] <sewoyl> Echylo, you need a blog!
[08:48] <topyli> no! i love unstable upgrades :D
[08:49] <Ignoreme> k I need a blog
[08:49] <Ignoreme> damn even this nick is owned by someone else
[08:49] <Echylo> where can you make blogs btw
[08:49] <topyli> try jennifer8392
[08:50] <topyli> Echylo: livejournal is cool, and drivel works well with it
[08:50] <Echylo> offline programs?
[08:50] <topyli> drivel
[08:51] <Echylo> but aren't there online websites?
[08:51] <Echylo> cause I really wanna irritate every1 :p
[08:51] <topyli> livejournal :)
[08:51] <Echylo> ;)
[08:51] <Echylo> but how is my english?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Echylo: there are easier ways of achieving that... but I won't tell !
[08:51] <Echylo> do I make bad mistakes or...
[08:52] <topyli> good enough for blogging :)
[08:52] <Echylo> ah
[08:52] <Echylo> strike
[08:52] <thoreauputic> Echylo: no your english is fine :)
[08:52] <Echylo> yay
[08:52] <sewoyl> Echylo, you can use blooger.com or install your own weblog on your webspace with php/mysql : dotclear, ...
[08:52] <Echylo> tell my teacher
[08:52] <sewoyl> blogger.com not blooger
[08:53] <topyli> "ma'am, my friends on irc said my english is good" :P
[08:53] <Echylo> topyli
[08:53] <Echylo> I don't care about that
[08:53] <Echylo> I just wanna know
[08:53] <topyli> it's very good. not that i'm an expert
[08:53] <thoreauputic> heh - didn't say it was good - "fine" implies "good enough"  ;-)
[08:54] <Echylo> :(
[08:54] <Echylo> you are really friendly all today
[08:54] <Echylo> I really like it
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Echylo: I haven't noticed any big mistakes
[08:54] <Echylo> beside the fact I talk too much
[08:55] <Echylo> be happy, you have your entertainement
[08:55] <topyli> Echylo: you're better than the average netizen. the internet is more forgiving than old-skool media
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Echylo: I have limited bandwidth here... ;-)
[08:55] <Echylo> oh my
[08:55] <Echylo> that's a good one
[08:55] <Echylo> need to remember
[08:55] <topyli> Echylo: really, don't worry about it
[08:56] <Echylo> if it would be too quiet around here, you wouldn't be happy either
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Echylo: plenty of native english speakers have much worse grammar and spelling anyway - in fact I think they are often worse taught than Europeans and others
[08:57] <Echylo> :)
[08:57] <topyli> i'm taking a shower. i'm starting to smell like a human
[08:58] <hypn0> topyli: what r u :-/
[08:58] <dstevens> How do i go about reporting unmet dependencies in the repo for 'libssl-dev' ?
[08:58] <linuxn00b> Hi, i'm having touble setting up shorewall I have been floowing this guide http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm#id2496032 but i'm not going antwhere :(
[08:58] <Echy|away> be happy i'm gone!
[08:59] <dstevens> Anyone use libssl-dev ?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> dstevens: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[09:00] <thoreauputic> here it appears to be fine (warty)
[09:00] <neighborlee> hope someone is alive that plays a few games <G>..i'm trying to install ut2k4 which indeed has a loki based installer.however..running ./linux-installer.sh says permission denied even if  I use sudo..if I use: sh linux-installer.sh it works but I get a nasty ncursed based installer instead of the default loki one...anyh idea why this is happening ? ;-))
[09:00] <dstevens> thoreauputic, just checking.
[09:00] <Acidwolf> im trying to get DvD's to play
[09:01] <Acidwolf> :(
[09:01] <thoreauputic> dstevens: I suspect your sources are incomplete
[09:01] <Acidwolf> Mplayer not working for me and neiter is VLC
[09:01] <linuxn00b> neighborlee, don't worry I got it also :)
[09:01] <Acidwolf> bloody package dependencies
[09:01] <Acidwolf> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[09:01] <thoreauputic> Acidwolf: you have the needed codecs?
[09:02] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, while trying to install ut2k4 you also get the nasty ncursed gui ?LOL
[09:02] <Acidwolf> thoreauputic how should i go about it
[09:02] <Acidwolf> i try but it doesnt work
[09:02] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, any idea whats up ?LOL
[09:02] <dstevens> thoreauputic, Indeed you may be right of left, is there a default /etc/apt/sources.list ??
[09:02] <linuxn00b> neighborlee, yea I got it also :)
[09:02] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, odc
[09:02] <neighborlee> odd
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Acidwolf: read ubuntuguide.org
[09:02] <neighborlee> hmm
[09:02] <linuxn00b> neighborlee, well if you can actully login as root then you get a pretty gui
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Acidwolf: plenty of stuff about unfree codecs etc
[09:02] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, VERY odd
[09:02] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, is this a debian issue or a loki installer issue I wonder..OR BOTH ?LOL
[09:02] <Acidwolf> thoreauputic i did read the guide and everything in the guide and forums doesnt work
[09:03] <linuxn00b> I guess both, it happed on slackware also
[09:03] <thoreauputic> dstevens: there's a default - but the universe entries are commented out
[09:04] <thoreauputic> dstevens: so you need to uncomment them or use synaptic to do the same
[09:04] <linuxn00b> can someone help me setup shorewall :D
[09:04] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, hmm oh ic
[09:04] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, odd indeed ;-))
[09:05] <linuxn00b> neighborlee, yeah it is... but atleast the game installs :)
[09:06] <neighborlee> linuxn00b|away, well it doesn't in hoary..it kept crashing  my desktop..so I put warty back on
[09:07] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: you might find firestarter more friendly
[09:07] <neighborlee> hoarty is really nice..but I'm going to have to use it on a non-essential partition <G>
[09:08] <linuxn00b> neighborlee, odd I wonder why
[09:10] <apokryphos> Asked before and didn't have much luck. Figure I might as well try again (pretty essential).
[09:10] <apokryphos> Getting a pretty cryptic error while trying to compile
[09:11] <apokryphos> http://pastebin.com/245535
[09:11] <apokryphos> tritium found a link (http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.1/XF86VidMode.3.html) that suggested it's an xfree error
[09:12] <apokryphos> But, I have xorg installed; have no idea why it's making xfree errors in this case. The package certainly doesn't necessarily need xfree.
[09:12] <flosch> hi all :)
[09:13] <copilot> anyone bored enough to walk me through a kernel re-compile? gotta do it for class.
[09:14] <copilot> if anyone gets that bored, pm me and we'll set up a time.
[09:15] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, no clue
[09:15] <neighborlee> linuxn00b, going to file bug report though to help the cause
[09:15] <thoreauputic> why would we do your homework for you ? :/
[09:15] <copilot> you'd be helping me do my homework, you're not sitting in my chair compiling it for me are you?
[09:15] <emanuelez> since my last dist-upgrade my system freezes on gnome startup. i' in xfce now. anybody else facing this problem?
[09:15] <neighborlee> copilot, hehe well we feel for you..it can be very tricky..but if you do it yourself you'll remember it better and be able to utilize its POWER!!!
[09:16] <Pluk> if it goes wrong you always can ask questions :)
[09:16] <neighborlee> think of the poowwweer
[09:16] <neighborlee> lol
[09:16] <emanuelez> neighborlee: lol
[09:16] <copilot> I followed two different faqs on compiling and both resulted in errors.
[09:16] <apokryphos> copilot: There's loads of stuff on Google about it
[09:17] <Pluk> the easy way : leave the kernel as is but build you chipset and ide controller and filesystem into the controller
[09:17] <emanuelez> neighborlee: i tasted poooowwweer many times so far but i never remember it when i do it again LOL
[09:17] <thoreauputic> copilot: hint: get kernel-package and do it with make-kpkg the debian way
[09:17] <Pluk> eeu into the kernel*
[09:17] <Neil3> anyone here playing vega strike?
[09:17] <neighborlee> emanuelez, LOL
[09:17] <Casquapointer> http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/
[09:17] <neighborlee> emanuelez, me too sometimes..the kernel is heavy and while its my brother he sure can be a prick sometimes...
[09:18] <dstevens> Still having problems with libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7d-3) but 0.9.7d-3ubuntu0.1 is to be installed, i have in my /etc/apt/sources.list this " deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty multiverse ' with the deb-src ??
[09:18] <emanuelez> neighborlee: hehe... i remember my compiling days as a gentooer LOL
[09:18] <neighborlee> emanuelez, ditto
[09:18] <copilot> if I need help, i'm gonna harass you buys
[09:19] <copilot> *guys
[09:19] <neighborlee> emanuelez, and you know I dont miss it one little bit ..ROFL
[09:19] <neighborlee> copilot, heh..we have faith in you
[09:19] <emanuelez> neighborlee: i miss it a lil bit sometimes... :">
[09:19] <neighborlee> copilot, if you really need help...i'd HIGHLY suggest going here for now: #kernel
[09:19] <copilot> I already messed it up twice though, I followed the guide in the wiki
[09:19] <emanuelez> neighborlee: i didn't sell my sould completely to ubuntu yet LOL
[09:19] <neighborlee> emanuelez, heh I guess I do too...but not enough to install it right now <G>
[09:19] <copilot> oh man, I should go there, I didn't even check other channels..
[09:19] <neighborlee> emanuelez, lol
[09:20] <neighborlee> emanuelez, I think ubuntu has mine wrapped up pretty tight actually...hahah
[09:20] <Acidwolf> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:20] <Acidwolf> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:20] <Acidwolf> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:20] <Acidwolf> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:20] <Acidwolf> is only available from another source
[09:20] <Acidwolf> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[09:20] <Acidwolf> acidwolf@acidwolf:~ $
[09:20] <emanuelez> neighborlee: lol
[09:20] <Acidwolf> oops
[09:20] <Acidwolf> sorry
[09:20] <Acidwolf> :(
[09:21] <emanuelez> neighborlee: sometimes i miss those one hour releases after the official source was released :P i'm kind of a cutting edge software guy LOL
[09:21] <dstevens> @I have checked my apt sources, they seem ok, but libssl-dev still : Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7d-3) but 0.9.7d-3ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[09:21] <neighborlee> emanuelez, I can relate ;-)
[09:21] <neighborlee> emanuelez, I think we're all geeks to one degree or another ..heh
[09:22] <dstevens> Could this be my problem or a repo problem.
[09:22] <emanuelez> neighborlee: yeah.. hehe
[09:22] <emanuelez> geekified: lol
[09:22] <geekified> and to think I used to be someones SONNNNN..SHREEEK
[09:23] <emanuelez> geekified: well... right now i'm pretty pissed off with ubuntu... my gnome freezes!
[09:23] <thoreauputic> dstevens: have you tried apt-get build-dep <packageyouarecompiling>  ?
[09:23] <emanuelez> it might be the new kernel (not likely) or the new nautilus... mmm
[09:23] <kent> whats the name of the other cd/dvd burning program becides graveman? I cant remember the name if it, (not xcdroast and other gnome1 programs..)
[09:23] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker
[09:24] <neighborlee> emanuelez, You must be using hoary
[09:24] <kent> thoreauputic, thanks
[09:24] <neighborlee> emanuelez, i've never had any issues at all with warty
[09:24] <dstevens> I have lost my ubuntu to install libssl-dev: damn Dependences:
[09:24] <thoreauputic> kent: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[09:24] <emanuelez> neighborlee: i told u i'm cutting edge LOL
[09:24] <thoreauputic> kent: it's there
[09:25] <neighborlee> emanuelez, indeed you did..and now your paying the ultimate warrior cutting-edge price for your decision
[09:25] <neighborlee> ha
[09:25] <neighborlee> emanuelez, however
[09:25] <emanuelez> neighborlee: lol
[09:25] <neighborlee> emanuelez, I can relate..hoary is VERY kewl
[09:25] <neighborlee> when I get a new HD..it is defintely going ON ;-))
[09:25] <emanuelez> neighborlee: oh well... xfce is ok... but i want 4.2!!! LOL damn i'ms such a geek :(
[09:25] <neighborlee> lol
[09:26] <vpalle> im having problems with x11 forwarding between two ubuntu machines
[09:26] <vpalle> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[09:26] <neighborlee> emanuelez, xfce is interesting but I never found it useable enough..I think I had stability issues with it too..dont recall for sure frankly
[09:26] <emanuelez> neighborlee: yeah... and when hoary will be stable u'll have to thankme too! HA! LOL
[09:27] <neighborlee> emanuelez, im such a gnome wannabe LOL ( still haven't mastered it LOL )
[09:27] <wm_eddie> Gaim crashes randomly!
[09:27] <dstevens> ubuntu libssl package have broken packages, very sucky.
[09:27] <Xappe> when Hoary is stable I probably already is in the middle of a grumpy upgrade :P
[09:27] <emanuelez> neighborlee: i love gnome too... but it needs a k3b-like burning program... SOOO MUCH
[09:28] <emanuelez> Xappe: r u facing issues with the new nautilus?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> vpalle: check that you have X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[09:28] <Xappe> emanuelez, what issues?
[09:28] <vpalle> thoreauputic, will do
[09:28] <dstevens> How can a development package fail on dependences, that sucks ock big time.
[09:28] <emanuelez> xappe: freeze
[09:29] <thoreauputic> and use ssh -X  (upper-case X)
[09:29] <vpalle> thoreauputic, i have x11forwarding yes.. and I do use ssh -X
[09:29] <Xappe> emanuelez, nah, the only serious problems i've had today was the lockups caused by the 2.6.10-4 kernel
[09:30] <emanuelez> xappe: oh ok...
[09:30] <thoreauputic> vpalle: hmm - don't know then - unless your .ssh files are wrongly set up
[09:30] <vpalle> thoreauputic, ok thx
[09:30] <Xappe> emanuelez, since when do you have these nautilus problems?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> vpalle: you used ssh-keygen to set up authorisation?
[09:31] <dstevens> libssl-dev <depends> libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7d-3) <but this is to be installed> 0.9.7d-3ubuntu0.1  ? wtf ?
[09:31] <emanuelez> Xappe: my last dist-upgrade both contained the new kernel and new nautilus
[09:31] <topyli> ahh
[09:31] <Xappe> emanuelez, could be the kernel then...
[09:32] <emanuelez> Xappe: i see... oh well... i'm sure it will be fixed soon
[09:32] <dstevens> So this is not the place to broadcast about repo problems, where is ?
[09:32] <Xappe> emanuelez, total freeze at gnome login...
[09:32] <vpalle> thoreauputic, not sure.. its just that, its working fine from a fedora machine. but not on the ubuntu box
[09:32] <emanuelez> Xappe: yes
[09:32] <Xappe> emanuelez, try booting with the .3 kernel
[09:33] <emanuelez> as soon as BT finishes its work :P
[09:33] <Xappe> emanuelez, that should get you back to normal for now
[09:33] <thoreauputic> vpalle: the only other thing I can think of is whether the fedora box is using ssh1 and ubuntu ssh2 or similar
[09:33] <thoreauputic> vpalle: ssh1 is deprecated now
[09:33] <Xappe> emanuelez, you don't trust resume? :)
[09:33] <emanuelez> Xappe: yeah... easy way to test it it's because of the kernel or gnome
[09:33] <vpalle> im on an ubuntu box myself
[09:34] <vpalle> ssh -X fedoracore3 is working fine, ssh -X ubuntubox not working..
[09:34] <draconian> what is the ubuntu mirrors?  so that i can put it in  my /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:34] <emanuelez> Xappe: not when i'm downloading full speed and i'm 90% done LOL
[09:34] <dstevens> that sound uncomftable, use a chair ?
[09:35] <vpalle> wtf .. it suddenly works..
[09:35] <thoreauputic> for protocol 2 authorized_keys becomes authorized_keys2  (that caught me out once)
[09:35] <Xappe> emanuelez, hehe. I get lousy speeds with BT. I'm behind a huge NAT that i can't do anything about
[09:35] <topyli> hypn0: take me to your leader
[09:36] <emanuelez> Xappe: ouch.. that sucks... i know latest BT versions should improve performances behind NAT if i'm not wrong
[09:36] <Echylo> guys
[09:36] <Echylo> I gonna talk much
[09:36] <Echylo> I updated warthy to hoary, but when I reboot the gnome freezes
[09:37] <emanuelez> Echylo: seems to be a common problem right now
[09:37] <linuxn00b> AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:37] <Xappe> emanuelez, well...the internal network is jammed with wormtraffic and porn leechers
[09:37] <Echylo> ow ok
[09:37] <emanuelez> Echylo: might be a kernel problem or gnome...
[09:38] <emanuelez> Xappe: that sucks :( not referred to porn LOL
[09:38] <topyli> worms rule
[09:38] <Xappe> ahaha
[09:38] <GammaRay> did someone say porn?
[09:38] <topyli> no, i said worms
[09:38] <GammaRay> aww
[09:39] <hypn0> topyli: theres no leader, a free for all :-)
[09:39] <emanuelez> GammaRay: do u have xchat programmed to ring a bell when the word "porn" is in the channel? :)
[09:39] <Echylo> ok
[09:39] <dstevens> Is there another way to install libssl-dev as the repo package is unusable
[09:39] <topyli> hypn0: oh, "humanity to others" and all that :)
[09:40] <jerome_stix> Salut  tous toutes
[09:40] <thoreauputic> dstevens: get the source, Luke
[09:40] <Xappe> lol
[09:40] <dstevens> libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7d-3) but 0.9.7d-3ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[09:40] <socomm> Hello, anyone know a good repo that has e17?
[09:40] <NathanM> I was wondering of somebody could help me/point me in the right direction for help.
[09:40] <LinuxJones> jerome_stix, there is a french language channel
[09:41] <topyli> socomm: i don't think there are e17 binaries in the whole internet :)
[09:41] <jerome_stix> Excuse me, see you !
[09:41] <socomm> topyli: There are for Fedora.
[09:41] <thoreauputic> dstevens: hrm... try apt-get --fix-missing  (never know your luck...)
[09:41] <jmob> socomm: you might be lucky if you can compile e17 from cvs
[09:41] <linuxn00b> can some one reccomend a godo cheap switch http://ncix.com/search/?quicksearch=switch&imageField.x=0&imageField.y=0
[09:41] <GammaRay> NathanM: fallen and can't get up?
[09:41] <socomm> jmob: All ready have.
[09:41] <NathanM> I've got a toshiba satellite A10 and a dlink dwl-650+ pcmcia card and I can't seem to get the thing working.
[09:42] <topyli> socomm: really? hmm...
[09:42] <topyli> so it must be somewhat usable
[09:42] <socomm> I just want a package that comes with all the configuration stuff.
[09:42] <NathanM> i've got that problem where you set it up go to activate the connection and the connection unchecks itself after a few seconds.
[09:42] <thoreauputic> dstevens: and if you haven't already, do sudo apt-get update
[09:42] <dstevens> Dude theres nothing to fix !
[09:42] <socomm> topyli: Yes. Somewhat but I don't have keybindings, or windlowlist app.
[09:43] <thoreauputic> dstevens: there is if your sources are wrong, or you have other missing packages
[09:43] <topyli> socomm: i love e16 but e17 is turning into the longhorn of window management :(
[09:44] <thoreauputic> dstevens: just telling you stuff that's worked for me in the past ...
[09:44] <dstevens> Just updated source.list to the same as a fresh install apt clean update etc
[09:44] <dstevens> past was then this is now
[09:44] <thoreauputic> dstevens: OK I'll shut up then
[09:45] <dstevens> What ever you would like todo
[09:45] <socomm> topyli: Enlightenment was never for the casual users, really.
[09:45] <sigglet> growisofs is sweet
[09:45] <thoreauputic> dstevens: if you don't want to listen to experince that's up to you
[09:45] <WeirdAl> Does anyone know of a package of Direct X 9.0a or greater cpp build files I can use in Linux?
[09:45] <topyli> socomm: i know. i'm an old fan
[09:45] <WeirdAl> So as I can create an exe to run on my other machine
[09:46] <dstevens> What experience, have allready done what you suggested !
[09:46] <thoreauputic> good
[09:46] <dstevens> Back to vanilla debian me think for enterprise application.
[09:46] <socomm> WeirdAl: No such thing.
[09:46] <WeirdAl> Oh :-(
[09:47] <socomm> WeirdAl: You'd need Wine, and Visual Studios and other stuff going.
[09:47] <WeirdAl> I suppose it wouldn't work anyway because I wouldn't have the windows headers.
[09:47] <socomm> WeirdAl: Yeah.
[09:47] <thoreauputic> dstevens: funny thing is that I have no such dependency issue on my system - wonder why?
[09:47] <WeirdAl> Damn ... that was a good plan too.
[09:48] <dstevens> I have apt sources the same as a standard ubuntu system with the two line uncommented, i see no problem here all though theres obviously is, but i or you cannot find it ??.
[09:49] <dstevens> You have proved its is at my end, but that does not help this end.
[09:50] <socomm> fuckyou
[09:50] <socomm> Whoops, lost focus on another window.
[09:50] <dstevens> anytime big boy
[09:50] <njan> socomm, I was going to say...
[09:50] <flyover> Hey everyone I have a question
[09:51] <socomm> Haha, is my face red.
[09:51] <flyover> Just did the latest updates, and a recurring problem has deteriorated, my panels aren't drawing on restart
[09:51] <billytwowilly> heads up guys 2.6.10-4 in hoary makes my system very unstable
[09:51] <thoreauputic> dstevens: what are you trying to compile? Have you tried the build-dep option with sources?
[09:51] <flyover> What is the command to start panels from the terminal?
[09:51] <dstevens> Trying to compile asterisk
[09:51] <thoreauputic> gnome-panel
[09:52] <socomm> flyover: gnome-panel
[09:52] <topyli> nethack!
[09:52] <thoreauputic> dstevens: ah OK I guess build-dep won't help with that :(
[09:53] <sigglet> anyone know why ubuntu isn't using the original cdrecord instead of the unsupported hacked cdrecord that comes with it?
[09:53] <sigglet> having to patch it is retarded
[09:54] <thoreauputic> sigglet: the author has issues apparently
[09:54] <sigglet> thoreauputic: I see that... hah
[09:54] <thoreauputic> he disapproves of scsi emulation being deprecated, I think ;)
[09:55] <WillCooke> :))
[09:56] <topyli> i seem to recall the cdrecord author has gone non-free or otherwise evil or something as well.
[09:57] <thoreauputic> he has something of an attitude problem, it would appear
[09:58] <Echylo> topyli, thoreauputic, sewoyl, here you have your blog
[09:58] <Echylo> http://echylo.blogspot.com/
[09:58] <WillCooke> I think that you are expected to actually buy xcdroast these days?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> Echylo: does this mean you will be quieter in channel now ?  *grin*
[09:58] <Echylo> no
[09:59] <Echylo> you will have the possibility to reread my shit
[09:59] <topyli> Echylo: yes! now you'll have to find a desktop blogger so you don't have to use their site
[09:59] <thoreauputic> WillCooke: no, xcdroast is "free" in both senses
[09:59] <Echylo> is that joking topyli
[09:59] <Echylo> or can you?
[09:59] <topyli> WillCooke: the cdrecord he left behind is still free
[09:59] <WillCooke> thoreauputic, ah ok.  Good stuff.
[10:00] <topyli> Echylo: i'm not joking, it's a better way to blog. i use drivel
[10:00] <Echylo> k
[10:00] <topyli> Echylo: actually, i've used it 3 or 4 times, i'm a newbie blogger :)
[10:00] <Echylo> :)
[10:01] <Echylo> hey you can leave comments
[10:01] <Echylo> someone? :p
[10:01] <billytwowilly> Does anyone have a link explaining the cdrecord situation more fully?
[10:01] <Echylo> anyway
[10:02] <viper12> afternoon all
[10:03] <dstevens> thoreauputic, could you post your /etc/apt/source.list config, for me to test, before i report this problem to the powser that be are ubuntu.
[10:03] <viper12> anyone else having the kernel panic with 10-4 kernel?  I was reading that a 'noinotify' switch in grub would fix this, but not 'nuff 'sperience with grub to know 'where' to put that.
[10:03] <thoreauputic> dstevens: /join #flood ?
[10:04] <thoreauputic> dstevens: or I can dcc it if you prefer
[10:04] <dennis__> so what i've been trying to figure out, is ubunto based on gentoo's portage?
[10:04] <thoreauputic> dstevens: I'm on warty BTW
[10:04] <binks> ello all how do i find out my kernel version
[10:04] <topyli> binks: cat /proc/version
[10:04] <dstevens> that what im on me thinks, what is say in the apt/source
[10:05] <robodex> gonna put my dvd drive back into my computer bye
[10:05] <viper12> binks...do the uname -a
[10:05] <Gagatan> binks: uname --help
[10:05] <thoreauputic> dstevens: sending now
[10:05] <binks> cheers viper
[10:05] <viper12> np binks
[10:06] <thoreauputic> dstevens: do you see my dcc offer?
[10:06] <viper12> now doth anyone have some assistance for where the 'noinotify' command needs to go in grub to get the 2.6.10-4-686 kernel to NOT panic?
[10:06] <sewoyl> Echy|Shower, I put your blog in my live bookmarks :)
[10:07] <dstevens> Yup seems that it does not want to come to me, i have Accepted.
[10:07] <thoreauputic> dstevens: seems to be going now
[10:07] <socomm> By the way anyone wanna see what the vanilla version of E17 looks like here's my screenshot (http://samesoft.sourceforge.net/e17.png).
[10:07] <dstevens> Yup got it, cheers
[10:09] <topyli> viper12: probably in the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:10] <topyli> socomm: sweet as ever :)
[10:10] <binks> ok so ow i need to no what x86free ver i have soi can d/l ati drivers
[10:10] <herzi> i'm missing lots of icon in my evolution and on my desktop: http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/images/missing-images.png
[10:10] <dstevens> Damn would have thought the devel would have updated this /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list   lol still debianised lamers
[10:10] <thoreauputic> binks: X -version
[10:10] <topyli> binks: X --version
[10:11] <binks> cheers guys
[10:11] <topyli> binks: yes, listen to thoreauputic, he's more right :)
[10:11] <thoreauputic> topyli: one hyphen :)
[10:11] <socomm> herzi: Use a different theme.
[10:11] <socomm> s/theme/icon theme
[10:11] <herzi> socomm: that with every theme
[10:11] <WeirdAl> Why does x-chat here turn two plusses (as in c plus plus) into a weird box thing?
[10:11] <WeirdAl> +
[10:11] <herzi> s/theme/icon theme/
[10:11] <WeirdAl> or even one plus
[10:11] <binks> bash: x: command not found
[10:11] <NetGeek> afternoon all
[10:12] <socomm> herzi: How about a different widget theme.
[10:12] <topyli> binks: that's X (BIG)
[10:12] <binks> ok
[10:12] <thoreauputic> binks: upper case
[10:12] <viper12> once again...
[10:12] <viper12> now doth anyone have some assistance for where the 'noinotify' command needs to go in grub to get the 2.6.10-4-686 kernel to NOT panic?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> topyli: :)
[10:12] <binks> oooops me bad thanks
[10:12] <topyli> hehe
[10:12] <herzi> socomm: i tried all the desktop themes (even mixed different icon/widget themes)
[10:12] <socomm> herzi: Hmmm. Warty?
[10:13] <robtaylor> so does anyone know anything about all gstreamer stuff randomly giving the error "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."  in hoary ?
[10:13] <dstevens> thoreauputic nope not work just thought i would check the default manual version as well and found that.
[10:13] <sege> i have problems with showing hidden rows in openoffice spreadsheat, anyone had that problem with hoary (openoffice 1.1.3) and solved it?
[10:13] <socomm> If I had to guess, I'd say either your icon path is fscked or something.
[10:14] <topyli> viper12: again, probably in the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:14] <thoreauputic> dstevens: sounds obvious : but you *did* do sudo apt-get update first?
[10:14] <herzi> socomm: hoary
[10:14] <herzi> on ppc
[10:14] <dstevens> Yup in root terminal
[10:15] <thoreauputic> hmm... it's a mystery then, dstevens
[10:15] <socomm> herzi: Try launching a (GTK) app from a terminal and see what errors it spits out.
[10:15] <herzi> socomm: none
[10:15] <viper12> topyli: according to the hoary forums regarding this gam server kernel panic problem, a noinotify 'switch' fixes some of these problems.
[10:15] <topyli> is everybody getting random tomboy crashes?
[10:15] <viper12> but which line and where the 'noinotify' actually goes is what I'm in the dark about.
[10:15] <socomm> herzi: Hmmm, it should give you some errors or warning.
[10:16] <herzi> socomm: stuff like evo just throw messages as usual
[10:16] <socomm> herzi: Launch evolution, see what it spits out.
[10:16] <Echy|Shower> gnight every1
[10:16] <topyli> viper12: ohh... if not menu.lst then i don't know, sorry
[10:16] <Echy|Shower> see you within 2 days
[10:16] <socomm> herzi: Nothing about icons?
[10:16] <Xappe> i'll just boot with .3 til they fix the problem...
[10:16] <qoke> are any of the Ubuntu admins on ?
[10:16] <herzi> nothing
[10:16] <dstevens> Do you know howto report mysterys, as if this mystery can't be solved, i must consider moving os.
[10:17] <qoke> had a mirror question...
[10:17] <viper12> Xappe........was thinking about doing that, but the dist-upgrade went from warty to hoary just a lil' while ago...so I don't have the .3 kernel onboard.
[10:17] <socomm> herzi: Weird, try bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[10:17] <socomm> herzi: You've probably found a bug.
[10:17] <thoreauputic> dstevens: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/   I guess
[10:18] <topyli> herzi: try creating another user and see if they have the same problem
[10:18] <thoreauputic> dstevens: a search in the users mailing list archive might help also
[10:18] <dstevens> OK Bugzilla it is cheers dude.
[10:18] <qoke> anyone here from NZ that could do a mirror test for me ?
[10:19] <binks> ok i gettn anoying but i just ran this  dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb and it errors with this dpkg: need an action option
[10:19] <binks> any ideas im following a tut on forum
[10:20] <Xappe> viper12, it should still lurk somewhere in the repos...
[10:21] <dstevens> bugzilla.ubuntu.com you have to create an account to file a bug, uck that.
[10:21] <viper12> Oh, I know xappe.......I wanted to try and see if this noinotify switch would work first though for bug reporting purposes.
[10:21] <herzi> re
[10:21] <herzi> same problems with other users
[10:21] <Xappe> viper12, ah, ok
[10:22] <topyli> herzi: then your themes are genuinely broken :(
[10:22] <bean> When I boot from the install disc on my AMD Semperon machine I get to the laguage selection screen and then it freezes up ?
[10:23] <viper12> it is kinda' wild to see a kernel panic (switched to tty1).........its definitely the gam_server not synching that's killing things.
[10:23] <viper12> gotta luv the death scream message:  Aiee, killing interupt handler!  -then its toast.
[10:23] <topyli> oh how i miss the time we had 286, 386 and 486 instead of pentiums, athlons, xp, semperon... :)
[10:24] <viper12> uh........I don't miss those ol' dinosaurs. speed rulz baby.
[10:24] <topyli> just the names, mind you :)
[10:24] <viper12> lol
[10:24] <bean> Anyone have an idea how to get around this
[10:26] <viper12> bean, is it possible you've got a bad install disk?  the language selection screen isn't really a critical juncture...unless you're selecting something screwy that is..lol.
[10:26] <viper12> (I had similar probs with a warty install disk...cheap cd and it burnt badly.
[10:27] <bean> So mabey get a better cd ?
[10:27] <viper12> or.......when creating the iso, burn at 1/2 speed.  (usually does the trick with crap cd-r's. or rw disks.  also make sure if its a rw, to finalize the disk.
[10:27] <herzi> > dpkg -L hicolor-icon-theme | grep png\$ | wc -l >>>>> 0
[10:27] <herzi> can sb. veryfy this?
[10:28] <bean> Thanks I'll give it a try chat later
[10:28] <viper12> gl
[10:29] <warty_> alguna gaditana
[10:30] <warty_> haya alguna gaditana
[10:30] <viper12> uh..........bless you warty
[10:31] <topyli> hehe
[10:31] <viper12> :D
[10:31] <warty_> hay alguna gaditana o espanola
[10:32] <sewoyl> hola
[10:32] <warty_> hola
[10:32] <zaggy> hola, yo estoy en latinoamerica
[10:32] <topyli> bono estente. chris waddle
[10:32] <warty_> de donde eres sewoy
[10:33] <sewoyl> Apesadumbrado, no hablo espaol!
[10:33] <warty_> espanolas agregarme   teamotery@hotmail.com
[10:34] <warty_> espanolas o que vivan en espana y si es en cadiz mejor
[10:34] <sewoyl> El traductor de Google me ayuda!
[10:34] <topyli> warty_: #ubuntu-es
[10:34] <sewoyl> lol
[10:34] <zaggy> heh
[10:34] <zaggy> there's enough spanish users for that?
[10:34] <warty_> donde vives sewol
[10:34] <zaggy> I came to the right place.
[10:35] <herzi> zaggy: i think so
[10:35] <thoreauputic> there's a few in there
[10:35] <herzi> there should be even enough for -de
[10:35] <topyli> zaggy: dunno, but the channel is there
[10:35] <thoreauputic> just had a peek
[10:35] <zaggy> I'm actually in costa rica right now, going to download the 4.10 iso and set it up on a server
[10:35] <topyli> there's even a -fi last i looked!
[10:35] <thoreauputic> actually I believe ubuntu is quite popular in Spain
[10:36] <sewoyl> warty_, belgica
[10:36] <thoreauputic> 19 in #ubuntu-de
[10:37] <thoreauputic> 45 in #ubuntu-fr
[10:37] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:37] <tuxdisciple> Wow, I just finished the install here... this is a very nice looking distribution
[10:37] <tga> and 2 in #ubuntu-ro \0/
[10:37] <thoreauputic> only 1 in #ubuntu-au *grin*
[10:37] <zaggy> oic, the version numbers have to do with calendar dates..
[10:38] <zaggy> well, there's one way to do it.
[10:38] <tga> tuxdisciple: gnome looks the same on all distros
[10:38] <warty_> sewyl te mande un privado lo lees
[10:38] <tga> minus the fugly brown
[10:38] <tuxdisciple> Do any of you know if Ubuntu can play DVDs straight away or do I need to do some extra configuration like I had to on Fedora
[10:39] <topyli> #ubuntu-fi is gone :(
[10:39] <tuxdisciple> tga> I meant the debian-style distro, but not so far behind the times :)
[10:39] <viper12> for encrypted dvd's you need to install:  libdvdcss  (or no joy.)
[10:39] <tga> tuxdisciple: echo "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install mplayer
[10:40] <tga> doesn't marillat mplayer include libdvdcss?
[10:40] <viper12> its not a 'distro' specific problem...its a matter of licensing, and open source doesn't have the licensing for dvd's (in the u.s.)
[10:41] <robodex> hey, I'm having a problem with my dvd drive... Whenever ubuntu tries to access it, I'm getting 100% CPU usage and no response from the drive
[10:41] <viper12> mplayer does include it, but mplayer isn't included in the distro because of that.
[10:41] <tuxdisciple> tga: deb is not a known command... do I need to be root for this?
[10:41] <alexissoft> re
[10:41] <tuxdisciple> heh
[10:41] <tuxdisciple> nevermind
[10:41] <viper12> tux...that deb is the beginning of a line you need to add to sources list.
[10:41] <viper12> lol
[10:41] <tuxdisciple> I missed the "echo"
[10:41] <thoreauputic> tuxdisciple: you left out the echo
[10:41] <viper12> heh heh
[10:41] <tga> tuxdisciple: and yes, you do have to be root
[10:42] <viper12> or the echo..
[10:42] <viper12> heh heh
[10:42] <robodex> I also can't eject the dvd or access it in any way
[10:42] <viper12> lol
[10:42] <tga> robodex: is the drive stuck trying to read the disk?
[10:42] <tuxdisciple> About become root in ubuntu, it told me that account is disabled, so I don't have a root password handy
[10:42] <thoreauputic> tuxdisciple: sudo echo
[10:42] <tga> tuxdisciple: sudo is enabled by default
[10:42] <topyli> thoreauputic: you need some carpets or something :)
[10:43] <thoreauputic> sudo uses your user password
[10:43] <tga> tuxdisciple: use `sudo su` to get a root prompt
[10:43] <thoreauputic> topyli: hehe
[10:43] <robodex> tga: the drive only sticks as soon as ubuntu tries accessing it... I'm able to eject it when not in ubuntu
[10:43] <Nafallo> sudo -s is easier and better IMHO
[10:43] <tuxdisciple> Excellent...
[10:43] <jmob> Nafallo: only if you want to be yourself pretending to be root
[10:44] <tga> robodex: well you can't eject it while it's mounted, you need to use `eject` or somehow umount it
[10:44] <robodex> the thing is
[10:44] <robodex> it's not even mounted
[10:44] <jmob> `sudo su -` is the best way to get a real root login shell
[10:44] <tga> robodex: are you sure? it probably gets automounted
[10:44] <robodex> I put the disk in and I get 100% CPU usage
[10:44] <robodex> well it's not in /media/ and it's not in /mnt/
[10:44] <tga> robodex: take a look at `mount`
[10:44] <robodex> accessing /dev/dvd gives me 100% cpu usage
[10:44] <tuxdisciple> Hmm.. not installable
[10:45] <robodex> nope, none for /dev/hdd or /dev/dvd
[10:45] <robodex> I think it's hanging when it's trying to automount
[10:46] <topyli> tuxdisciple: the marillat sources have been out of sync with debian for some time. mplayer may well be uninstallable
[10:46] <topyli> tuxdisciple: out of sync with ubuntu i mean
[10:46] <tga> tuxdisciple: try editing /etc/apt/sources.list and changing 'stable' to 'unstable' in marillat
[10:46] <tga> topyli: I installed mplayer on hoary a few days ago and it seemed to work fine
[10:47] <topyli> yeah, and testing if that fails
[10:47] <tga> testing probably works best for warty
[10:47] <topyli> tga: unstable probably works with hoary now
[10:47] <robodex> like right now I'm using 100% cpu usage (at least according to xfce) and doing nothing
[10:47] <robodex> as soon as it tries accessing the drive it does this
[10:47] <tuxdisciple> Yeah, I'm on Warty
[10:47] <tuxdisciple> I'll try testing
[10:48] <Karny> hello :)
[10:48] <robodex> the BIOS sees the drive fine
[10:48] <Karny> anyone know a way to convert .mpc files to ogg/wav in warty?
[10:49] <topyli> Karny: you mean mp3?
[10:49] <Karny> no, mpc
[10:49] <topyli> uhhh...
[10:49] <Karny> i wish it were mp3 :/
[10:49] <topyli> heh
[10:50] <topyli> what the hell is mpc?
[10:50] <robodex> any ideas about the DVD?
[10:50] <Karny> i found this... http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnormalize/?branch_id=55977&release_id=186939
[10:50] <robodex> atm it seems the only way I can eject the CD is by shutting down
[10:50] <robodex> err DVD
[10:50] <robodex> not CD
[10:50] <tuxdisciple> Bah... no joy on the mplayer... I'll have to find a usable package somehow
[10:50] <viper12> rbo are you on hoary or warty?
[10:50] <robodex> warty
[10:50] <Quest-Master> tuxdisciple: Compile it.
[10:51] <Quest-Master> tuxdisciple: There is an automatic compile script at the HOWTO/FAQ section at UbuntuForums.
[10:51] <robodex> considering doing a dist-upgrade to hoary but not sure if I should do it now or wait until hoary comes out
[10:51] <pepecharly> hello!
[10:51] <topyli> tuxdisciple: in two weeks you'll upgrade to hoary and get mplayer from unstable. before that i guess you're compiling it :(
[10:51] <Quest-Master> When I tried to upgrade I was left without an X
[10:51] <Quest-Master> Two weeks?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> robodex: depends if you enjoy fixing bugs ;)
[10:51] <viper12> I'd wait on the dist-upgrade....the newest update today is causing huge headaches (and kernel panics) with the 10-4 kernel.
[10:51] <robodex> thoreauputic: I don't ;)
[10:51] <Quest-Master> Only two weeks left till Hoary? :i
[10:51] <viper12> as for the dvd, have you done an hdparm -l
[10:51] <tuxdisciple> Hmm... I may just upgrade to hoary before then
[10:51] <viper12> ?
[10:51] <Quest-Master> *:o
[10:52] <robodex> last time I tried upgrading warty to hoary I lost sound :x
[10:52] <thoreauputic> robodex: neither do I - so I'm on Warty ;)
[10:52] <topyli> Quest-Master: the preview
[10:52] <robodex> viper12: no, lemme check (I'm kinda a linux noob)
[10:52] <Quest-Master> topyli: How stable will it be?
[10:52] <pepecharly> I recently done a apt-get dist-upgrade, now when I reboot I have a error like "couldn't chdir to /: permission denied"
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: April I believe
[10:52] <robodex> hdparm /dev/hdd -l, right?
[10:52] <pepecharly> and it can't start gdm...
[10:52] <viper12> its okay , I'm not 'old-timer' either, but as a tech by trade, I get into the command side outta habit. lol
[10:52] <topyli> Quest-Master: warty was ok. it's the same day as gnome release
[10:53] <viper12> robo, the /dev/xxx (where x=the physical drive.
[10:53] <robodex> k, well then doing it on /dev/hdd gives me this:
[10:53] <viper12> its possible you've got a drive that isn't completely supported, or another issue going on.
[10:53] <Quest-Master> Ok as in.. perfectly usable? :)
[10:53] <robodex> /dev/hdd:
[10:53] <robodex>  HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument
[10:53] <robodex> then some various flags
[10:53] <topyli> Quest-Master: ok as in "you can probably get most of your stuff done and gnome is stable" :)
[10:54] <Quest-Master> :D
[10:54] <viper12> yeah, but do you know that the cdrom is actually hdd?  my own drive is listed hdc.
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: warty worked fine out-of-the box here -  multimedia requires some extra stuff
[10:54] <pepecharly> I hope someone can help me :'(, I need to work until tomorrow..., could it be a "hal" problem?
[10:54] <robodex> viper12: I've got four drives... hda is my main drive, hdb is a 120gb drive, hdc is the cdrom and hdd is the dvdrom (which I'm having problems with)
[10:54] <robodex> unless
[10:55] <Quest-Master> pepecharly: Try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg?
[10:55] <viper12> unless robo?
[10:55] <robodex> same problem with hdc
[10:55] <robodex> although I'm 95% certain hdc is the cdrom
[10:55] <robodex> (which works perfectly)
[10:56] <viper12> this is potentially a chipset (ide) problem not being compiled in your kernel modules.
[10:56] <worksabi> I am having a problem with the Ubuntu installation on this machine I am on. It says no common CD-ROM drives were detected.
[10:56] <viper12> although, you installed with the regular cdrom drive, correct?
[10:56] <worksabi> So, the install cannot proceed.
[10:56] <robodex> yeah, it installed fine and the cdrom works perfectly
[10:56] <pepecharly> Quest-Master: I didn't, but I forgot to say I evan can't login, after I tried to login, a message appear: "couldn't chdir to /home/pepe" permission denied... :\
[10:56] <robodex> just as soon as ubuntu tries reading /dev/hdd or /dev/dvd I get 100% CPU usage
[10:56] <Quest-Master> Oh
[10:56] <Quest-Master> Wow
[10:56] <robodex> earlier when I put a DVD in it did it
[10:57] <Quest-Master> That's pretty bad
[10:57] <Quest-Master> :(
[10:57] <zombics> i have a pic that only a tooy cans ee how can i change th accses to that pic?
[10:57] <robodex> 'only a tooy'?
[10:57] <viper12> checking something robo.
[10:57] <zombics> only a root*
[10:57] <thoreauputic> zombics: in English??
[10:57] <zombics> ca see
[10:57] <robodex> k
[10:57] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:57] <zombics> sorry its late here :/
[10:58] <robodex> :p
[10:58] <bamboom> I removed user root because it wasn't allowing me to login as as itself..but ...not thinking ;(( I made a booboo cause now nothing works..FEELING STUPID today..is there anyway out of this mess or should I just buckle up and reinstall and kick myself while I do it ??? ;-))
[10:58] <thoreauputic> zombics: as root  chown user:user <pic>
[10:58] <robodex> oh there we go
[10:58] <robodex> I'm suddenly done with 100% cpu usage
[10:58] <robodex> lemme see if it works now
[10:58] <topyli> bamboom: every system has to have root
[10:58] <robodex> well I'm back up but that's because I'm loding thunderbird ;)
[10:58] <bamboom> topyli, I know that
[10:59] <bamboom> topyli, thats why i'm kicking myself...so am I looking at a reinstall ? ;(
[10:59] <topyli> bamboom: all i can think of is backups
[10:59] <bamboom> topyli, backups ?
[10:59] <jellybob> bamboom, you could boot from a live cd, mount your ubuntu drive, and then add root back into /etc/passwd
[10:59] <topyli> bamboom: yeah, if you have at least /etc on backup cds or tapes...
[10:59] <robodex> nope, it's doing it again now that I tried accessing it again
[10:59] <bamboom> topyli, nope
[11:00] <bamboom> jellybob, hmm
[11:00] <bamboom> jellybob, true..good idea thx
[11:00] <tuxdisciple> bamboom, jellybob has a good idea there. Just use someone else's /etc/password file entry as a framework
[11:00] <jellybob> bamboom, no problem :)
[11:00] <bamboom> jellybob, I need one anyway to show off to my slacker window friends <G>
[11:00] <topyli> bamboom: jellybob might be onto something. you could do that with knopppix or any way you can boot
[11:01] <bamboom> jellybob, im teasing but you know ;-))
[11:01] <thoreauputic> bamboom: BTW you never need to login as root - you login as yourself then either sudo or su (if you have created a root user and password on ubuntu)
[11:01] <robodex> ok there we go, now it's stopped accessing the drive
[11:01] <pyrohotdog> This may sound dumb....but is there ANY WAY to write to NTFS from Linux....I just need to change one file...
[11:01] <robodex> where's the system log located again?
[11:01] <evarlast> this channel definitely needs a FAQ bot.
[11:01] <bamboom> thoreauputic, well some installs weren't working so I decided to test and see if root would make any difference
[11:02] <bamboom> thoreauputic, game installs that is...
[11:02] <thoreauputic> pyrohotdog: there's a prog called "captive" I believe
[11:02] <topyli> bamboom: then you can do 'sudo sh' or something like that to get a root shell
[11:02] <jellybob> topyli, sudo -s
[11:02] <thoreauputic> pyrohotdog: I haven't tried it
[11:02] <topyli> yeah, to get a login shell
[11:02] <bamboom> topyli, true knoppix I already have..but yeah I need to get ubuntu livecd anyway..i'm very curious..btw..do they yet support installs or if not is it being worked on ?
[11:03] <bamboom> topyli, tried that..wasn't working
[11:03] <topyli> bamboom: then you need a login shell, with 'sudo -s
[11:03] <viper12> robo. you there?
[11:03] <bamboom> topyli, instead of the install UI I was getting some ugly blue and white stuff....
[11:03] <robodex> yeah viper12
[11:03] <topyli> or sudo su - or something
[11:03] <viper12> here is the best DVD howto/fix it/ check it page I've found:
[11:03] <viper12> http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/index.shtml
[11:03] <viper12> ton of stuff in there.
[11:03] <bamboom> topyli, never tried sudo -s..what is -s
[11:04] <robodex> k thanks
[11:04] <robodex> I'll check it out
[11:04] <pepecharly> "your kernel doesn't support capabilities", what does it mean? I'm having it after a apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:04] <robodex> if I can't fix it, I'll post it on the forums
[11:04] <viper12> gl man.  now back to my kernel panic. sigh.
[11:04] <robodex> have fun ;)
[11:04] <bamboom> :)
[11:04] <viper12> oh yeah.  heh heh.  gotta love daily updates.
[11:04] <viper12> :D
[11:04] <topyli> bamboom: -s is probably --shell. and sudo su - will give you a login shell
[11:04] <bamboom> topyli, ah k..thx
[11:05] <bamboom> well off I go...thx all bbsoon'ish
[11:06] <monkey89> Can I get your opinions on my idea for a name for a linux LiveCD-based distro
[11:07] <luc1f3r> Hello
[11:07] <monkey89> "Sedonux" - Sedo is latin for smooth, and it sounds like CD
[11:07] <luc1f3r> How do I install a driver for my wireless card?
[11:07] <monkey89> luc1f3r, what card
[11:07] <thoreauputic> pyrohotdog:  http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=linux+captive+ntfs&meta=&btnG=Google+Search
[11:07] <thoreauputic> pyrohotdog: first hit
[11:08] <luc1f3r> monkey89: NEtgear WG511
[11:08] <luc1f3r> 54mbps
[11:08] <monkey89> i think you need ndiswrapper
[11:08] <luc1f3r> can't figure out how to work it
[11:08] <monkey89> google it, there's a howto for ubuntu
[11:08] <luc1f3r> I get an error about not having the proper link to some kernel or something like taht
[11:09] <luc1f3r> when i try to compile it
[11:09] <monkey89> did you install kernel-headers
[11:09] <luc1f3r> no
[11:09] <crypticreign> my laptop boots up and it gets to Entering runleve: 2 then reezes
[11:09] <monkey89> do it
[11:09] <crypticreign> *freezes
[11:09] <monkey89> ;)
[11:09] <luc1f3r> monkey89: how do i do it w/o apt?
[11:09] <monkey89> luc1f3r, eh... i'd download the deb manually
[11:10] <monkey89> im not sure where to stick it so apt thinks it already has downloaded it
[11:10] <thoreauputic> linux-headers in ubuntu
[11:10] <monkey89> oh wait
[11:10] <monkey89> i think its included on the CD
[11:10] <eyequeue> i gather this is a known problem by now?  backports is down with a 500
[11:10] <luc1f3r> monkey89: so synaptic could install it?
[11:10] <jellybob> monkey89, sudo dpkg -i package.name.deb
[11:10] <monkey89> jellybob, i know, but thats not as clean as using apt
[11:10] <monkey89> and its kernel-headers for me
[11:10] <eyequeue> someone should perhaps modify the /topic to reflect that
[11:10] <monkey89> er, maybe its the same
[11:10] <monkey89> not sure
[11:11] <topyli> luc1f3r: install wajig and forget your worries. it will happily install packages from anywhere and get the dependencies via apt :)
[11:11] <luc1f3r> where do i put the *.deb ?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> afaik  debian's kernel-headers become linux-headers in ubuntu
[11:11] <luc1f3r> topyli: I can't get the dependencies via apt, because it isn't online
[11:12] <topyli> arrrrr.
[11:12] <crypticreign> anyone know?
[11:12] <eyequeue> luc1f3r:  once you dpkg -i it, the package manager will tell you what else it needs
[11:13] <luc1f3r> okay
[11:13] <luc1f3r> hold on, i'm not sure which kernel-headers to install
[11:13] <eyequeue> luc1f3r:  then sudo apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3, the list of packages it wants
[11:13] <thoreauputic> luc1f3r: dpkg is quite verbose about dependencies ;)
[11:13] <thoreauputic> luc1f3r:  linux-headers !!!!
[11:14] <luc1f3r> eyequeue: I'm trying to get my wireless card to work on my laptop, so I cannot use apt-get because it doesn't have even an ethernet connection
[11:14] <eyequeue> luc1f3r:  ah, i came late to the party and missed that part
[11:14] <luc1f3r> thoreauputic: linux-headers has tons of versions
[11:14] <luc1f3r> thoreauputic: how do i know which to use?
[11:14] <crypticreign> it freezes on entering runlevel 2 after a warty to hoary upgrade
[11:15] <eyequeue> luc1f3r:  type this: uname -r
[11:15] <thoreauputic> luc1f3r: indeed - you want the one for your kernel : uname -r
[11:15] <luc1f3r> thoreauputic: that tells my version name?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> luc1f3r: yes
[11:15] <eyequeue> luc1f3r:  that should tell you a string, your version number ... use that string in choosing which package you want
[11:15] <luc1f3r> gotcha
[11:16] <thoreauputic> luc1f3r: uname -a gives you other info ( eg i686 etc)
[11:16] <thoreauputic> but you want the one that correspomnds *exactly* to uname -r
[11:16] <crypticreign> going back to 2.6.8 does the same thing
[11:16] <thoreauputic> *corresponds
[11:16] <pepecharly> I'm gonna cry...
[11:16] <eyequeue> anyone know about backports?
[11:17] <WeirdAl> Lo
[11:17] <WeirdAl> Is there a Real Media codec I can get?
[11:17] <eyequeue> there seems to be a 500 internal server error with all repositories
[11:18] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  see the faq in the topic, or was it the guide?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: there's an installer for Real Player 10 available ( else use helix player)
[11:18] <topyli> WeirdAl: yeah, get the real thing
[11:18] <crypticreign> it goes Setting up X server socket directory > Setting up ICE socket directory > Entering runleve;: 2 then freezes
[11:18] <WeirdAl> I'd rather not have any Real software on my computer thanks.
[11:19] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: then use Helix Player
[11:19] <WeirdAl> OK
[11:19] <eyequeue> poof
[11:19] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: it's the open source version that Real based theirs on
[11:19] <Anubis> Helix
[11:20] <topyli> WeirdAl: the codec is what matters. that's the non-free part. the player is free
[11:21] <WeirdAl> The codec isn't free?
[11:21] <topyli> no
[11:21] <WeirdAl> Isn't there a Real Alternative type thing available?
[11:21] <monkey89> it uses the real codecs
[11:21] <monkey89> (we mean free as in opensource, not free as in beer)
[11:21] <topyli> WeirdAl: real doesn't actually make their money because of their excellent player :)
[11:21] <thoreauputic> BTW Real Player for Linux PPC is *very* much alpha code (buggy as hell) for those of you using Macs
[11:21] <WeirdAl> Well I don't remember having to pay for Real Alternative, which surely uses the Real codec.
[11:21] <viper12> anyone here know how to use the "noinotify" boot option?
[11:22] <joshua> hey, does anyone know if there is a way to get CUPS to see a rendezvous/zeroconf/whateveritscalled enabled printer?
[11:22] <monkey89> WeirdAl, thats cuz its free as in beer
[11:22] <monkey89> its not open
[11:22] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: free as in freedom
[11:22] <topyli> WeirdAl: you're confused. pay has nothing to do with it
[11:22] <WeirdAl> I am.
[11:22] <WeirdAl> Free means a) not paid for or b) released
[11:22] <monkey89> there's a differnece- free as in beer means it doesn't cost any money, but the code isn't avaiable - its not opensource
[11:22] <crypticreign> ugh, i dont know what to do
[11:22] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: non-free means constrained ( e.g. the source is secret)
[11:22] <monkey89> free as in freedom means that you have the code, there are no constraints to it
[11:22] <WeirdAl> Oh
[11:23] <WeirdAl> Free means open-source
[11:23] <topyli> yes
[11:23] <monkey89> in the linux world, generally
[11:23] <thoreauputic> correct
[11:23] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: it means *you* are free to use it
[11:23] <thoreauputic> the code etc
[11:23] <WeirdAl> Right.
[11:23] <topyli> WeirdAl: so because their codec is secret, you're forced to use it. that gives them money-making opportunities too
[11:23] <WeirdAl> Learn something else new again!
[11:23] <WeirdAl> OK
[11:24] <viper12> again.....
[11:24] <viper12> anyone here know how to use the "noinotify" boot option?
[11:24] <viper12> (in grub?)
[11:25] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: hence GNU/Linux (see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html )
[11:25] <joshua> my fingers smell like celery
[11:25] <topyli> yes! the gnu link! :)
[11:26] <crypticreign> ugh, i cant access this machine via ssh now.. so i cant backup my email from today. crap
[11:26] <mjr> curiosity: why would someone want to disable inotify?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> for GNUbies!
[11:26] <topyli> :)
[11:26] <AndyR> i have a problem with a ide zip drive
[11:26] <topyli> WeirdAl: that's why we use free software in the first place, not money
[11:26] <jellybob> AndyR, what sort of problem?
[11:27] <AndyR> i have it mounting and unmounting ok using /dev/hdd4 but it wont eject
[11:27] <WeirdAl> OK
[11:27] <AndyR> it will eject using /dev/hdd
[11:27] <jellybob> AndyR, when you hit the eject button?
[11:27] <WeirdAl> So can I get the codec on its own?
[11:27] <jellybob> AndyR, have you tried running "eject /dev/hdd" in a console?
[11:28] <AndyR> jellybob, yes that works
[11:28] <topyli> WeirdAl: sure. i guess you can sort of get it working with mplayer or something. but like java (get it from sun), get it from the ones who actually know it well
[11:28] <AndyR> but is there any way to get gname volume manager to send eject to /dev/hdd?
[11:28] <jellybob> AndyR, right click the drive, and select eject
[11:29] <WeirdAl> Sod it then
[11:29] <topyli> WeirdAl: or don't use it at all :)
[11:29] <WeirdAl> I don't really want it.
[11:29] <AndyR> jellybob, that sends eject to /dev/hdd4
[11:29] <crypticreign> ok.. i can boot with rescue mod
[11:29] <crypticreign> e
[11:29] <FR500> hi
[11:29] <WeirdAl> My gf is trying to send me a RAM
[11:29] <papo> hello... I have just installed Hoary in my comp and I cabn't seem to finf a
[11:29] <FR500> does gdesklets work in ubuntu
[11:29] <FR500> ?
[11:29] <papo> find a way to update the system
[11:29] <papo> how can I do that? Update to latest, I mean
[11:29] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: the Real Player is actually quite inoffensive (no frills, no ads etc) Depends how "pure" you want to be: but the codec is definitely "non-free"
[11:29] <topyli> WeirdAl: tell her to send you ogg vorbis files ;)
[11:30] <jellybob> AndyR, sounds like a bug to me: check bugzilla.ubuntulinux.com, and if there's nothing listed, open a new bug
[11:30] <WeirdAl> Tell her to piss off
[11:30] <WeirdAl> It's only the guy who did that crazy frog anyway
[11:30] <topyli> FR500: sure, as far as they work at all
[11:30] <AndyR> jellybob, you on dev team?
[11:30] <jellybob> AndyR, no, but it still sounds like a bug :P
[11:31] <FR500> topyli: what do you mean? and it doesnt even start for me
[11:31] <crypticreign> can anyone help me?
[11:31] <AndyR> it does i agree
[11:31] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: hard to say
[11:31] <crypticreign> indeed
[11:31] <error_29> FR500, gdesklets work great, though using them is confusing at first, I found
[11:32] <topyli> FR500: i mean they are resource hungry bastards anyway. but you have to first start it, and then actually load a few displays to see anything
[11:32] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: is the machine running sshd? (ssh server) ?
[11:32] <crypticreign> yes
[11:32] <error_29> Gdesklets seem easy to break also.
[11:32] <thoreauputic> OK -so is it connecting or rejecting?
[11:32] <crypticreign> rejecting
[11:32] <FR500> error_29, it doesnt even load for me
[11:32] <FR500> at all
[11:33] <topyli> error_29: someone suggested gdesklets should be in core gnome desktop :)
[11:33] <papo> any of you know how can I tell Software Manager to update its repository from the internet? I want to upgrade it to today's hoary....
[11:33] <topyli> FR500: it may well be running, but you don't have any displays activated
[11:33] <error_29> Have you trie this, FR500-- launch gdesklets from the menu or a command line,
[11:34] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: then you may be out of luck until you can reconfigure it
[11:34] <FR500> command line
[11:34] <FR500> but doesnt show a thing
[11:34] <error_29> Then open the Displays folder within the gdesklets folder
[11:34] <FR500> just some gtk warnings
[11:34] <FR500> ok i'm gonna try that
[11:34] <thoreauputic> papo: hit reload
[11:34] <error_29> and right click on a display and choose "open with gdesklets"
[11:34] <FR500> what is it's folder?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> papo: assuming you have hoary repos enabled
[11:35] <error_29> then drag the icon to the desktop
[11:35] <FR500> or where
[11:35] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: i can get to bash just fine with rescue mode
[11:35] <viper12> okay, so while asking about noinotify......i figured it out.......... :/
[11:35] <crypticreign> network access and everything
[11:35] <error_29> Search your files for "gdesklets" dude.
[11:35] <papo> thoreauputic, how can I see if repos are enabled? I can see 5, 1 cd and 4 from the internet
[11:35] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: if you can access with ssh you can copy files with scp
[11:35] <viper12> and it definitely fixes the kernel panic issue.
[11:36] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: and reinstall?
[11:36] <topyli> FR500: i don't have it installed but should be somewhere like /usr/share/gdesklets/displays
[11:36] <error_29> I don't have them currently installed, FR500, so I don't remember exactly.  but they're easy to find
[11:36] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: why do you want to reinstall?
[11:36] <FR500> i have to load the phyton files?
[11:37] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: heh.. i dont know how to fix this problem
[11:37] <error_29> The tricky thing is the right click, "open with" and drag business.  Then they're easy to configure.
[11:37] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: did you see my problem?
[11:37] <crypticreign> its not ssh
[11:37] <FR500> yes, but are they the .py files?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> papo: look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list and see which ones are there, uncommented (without # marks)
[11:37] <error_29> FR500, did you get gdesklets through Synaptic?
[11:37] <FR500> yes
[11:37] <topyli> FR500: don't remember. if you right click them, they have an option to "run with gdesklets" or something
[11:37] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: I guess I missed something, sorry
[11:38] <error_29> topyli, that's right
[11:38] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: on boot.. at the end of starting processes up, it goes Setting up X server socket directory > Setting up ICE socket directory > Entering runleve;: 2 then freezes
[11:38] <crypticreign> *runlevel
[11:38] <error_29> But gdesklets has to be running first.
[11:38] <topyli> sure
[11:39] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: ah. Possibly your ~/.ICEauthority file has incorrect permissions (shot in the dark)
[11:39] <topyli> anyway, it's nice to play with gdesklets for a couple of days and take some screenshots. except those screenshots always show 99% CPU load :)
[11:39] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: what to do then>?
[11:40] <thoreauputic> this is a remote machine?
[11:40] <PacoBCN> hi people
[11:40] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: its my laptop.. right next to me
[11:40] <PacoBCN> anyone knows how to record .ape files dealing with its .cue?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> if you can access bash, try  sudo chown youruser:youruser ~/.ICEauthority
[11:41] <thoreauputic> then try rebooting and see if it works...
[11:42] <thoreauputic> you never know... guesing a bit
[11:42] <topyli> i think it's enough to delete .ICEauthority
[11:43] <thoreauputic> topyli: yes, probably
[11:43] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: ok brb
[11:43] <hawke_> crypticreign: Try removing the /etc/rc?.d/S*vbesave
[11:43] <thoreauputic> topyli: or even rename it  sudo mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthority.bak
[11:44] <cg0def> how can I mark a package as being installed when it is not?
[11:44] <PacoBCN> anyone knows how to record .ape files dealing with its .cue?
[11:45] <cg0def> I am trying to fix a problem with the ati binary drivers
[11:45] <no0tic> in hoary there are some standard behaviours I don't like, I need to file a bug (Enhancement) into bugzilla?
[11:46] <hawke_> crypticreign: My laptop locks up when vbesave runs
[11:46] <crypticreign> hawke_: ja, mine did that before.. how did you fix it?
[11:47] <cg0def> in hoary if you decide to enable the root user the paswords still stay as the password for the regular user and not the root one
[11:47] <cg0def> is this intentional?
[11:47] <no0tic> cg0def: you can try with dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt  modify it into a text editor and then dpkg --set-selections < selections-txt
[11:47] <hawke_> crypticreign: I removed /etc/rc?.d/S*vbesave after booting into single-user mode
[11:47] <thoreauputic> cg0def: that's exactly as it should be - sudo pass is not root pass
[11:47] <johnnybezak> does anyone know if there is a guide for software installation or package management over at tldp.org or someone else? ive had a look but couldnt find anything, mb im just blind
[11:49] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: better is  .. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[11:49] <cg0def> thoreauputic : so there is no way to get rid of sudo and have ubunty working the way debian does?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: more than you ever wanted to know about apt ;-)
[11:50] <thoreauputic> cg0def: you don't need to get rid of sudo to have a root user
[11:50] <thoreauputic> you just do sudo passwd root
[11:50] <topyli> thoreauputic: rename, delete, i guess it should work
[11:50] <cg0def> thoreauputic: that's not what I am talking about at all. In debian root has rights over certain things an for one when you run synaptic it asks for root password and not the sudo pass
[11:51] <mjr> ah, that you need to change in the menus
[11:52] <thoreauputic> cg0def: well you can disable sudo with visudo if you wish - after setting a root user and password as above
[11:52] <mjr> you see, the ubuntu menus call "gksudo [program] " for certain programs
[11:52] <mjr> such as synaptic
[11:52] <mjr> you can probably replace that with gksu
[11:52] <Firsti> Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[11:53] <Firsti> When I try to install eggdrop
[11:53] <Firsti> Where I can get TCL ?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> Firsti: then install it from synaptic or apt
[11:53] <thoreauputic> have to go - bye all
[11:53] <Firsti> I have text ubuntu, not graphical
[11:53] <cg0def> mjr: I know that you can replace gksudo with gksu because debian uses gksu everwhere :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Firsti: then use apt
[11:54] <Firsti> What you mean?
[11:54] <Firsti> apt-get ?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Firsti: yes
[11:54] <Firsti> apt-get http://www.eggheads.org/redirect.php?url=ftp://ftp.eggheads.org/pub/eggdrop/source/1.6/eggdrop1.6.17.tar.gz
[11:54] <Firsti> Like that?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> no
[11:55] <thoreauputic> . http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[11:55] <topyli> Firsti: if you're a newbie, use aptitude
[11:55] <thoreauputic> gotta go now
[11:55] <dstevens> later mate
[11:55] <thoreauputic> ?quit
[11:55] <thoreauputic> hehe
[11:55] <topyli> and even if you're not :)
[11:55] <thoreauputic> oops
[11:56] <crypticreign> arh thoreauptic left
[11:57] <hawke_> crypticreign: any luck getting it to not lock up?