=== zenrox_ [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === defnop [~defnop@dD5769C2D.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel ["#freeBSD] [12:17] Mithrandir, ogra: Are you guys setting policy on what to do if a package in Universe is unrelated to the package in Debian? We may have some Jav aones that fall into that category, since our Java policy is slightly different. [12:17] jbailey: yes, basically. And also whether we want that at all to happen [12:18] jbailey: i think in case of java its slightly different (based on the policy difference), but similar.... [12:20] It's not hard to imagine a case where an MOTU isn't involved with Debian at all and uploads a package to universe and someone independantly packages it for Debian later, though. [12:20] true enough [12:21] jbailey: this is actually highly likely, since it is really hard to get into Debian compared with Ubuntu [12:22] YokoZar: but DDs could pick your ubuntu package for a base of their packages.... [12:22] s/for/as [12:23] ogra: But there's no requirement on that side that they do so. They might not even be aware that the package is in Ubuntu. [12:23] Not just on a user level but a developer level as well. There's a very long process for getting a package into Debian, and it's impossible to do if there's an obstinate maintainer blocking your work for some unexplained reason. [12:23] jbailey: yup [12:23] Yeah. More than one name pops into mind of someone who's packages I would love to redo sanely. =) === lamont notices that not only is it not snowing nor raining out side, it's clear up > 10 deg C. back in about 20 minutes [12:24] Going through the Debian Intent to package, social contract, security signing, peer review, community application and such (provided there's no maintainer controlling your package already) is much harder than making a simple working package and forwarding it to Ogra :) [12:25] lamont: it was raining in Mojave yesterday. [12:25] which means it'll possibly rain here tomorrow. ok [12:25] YokoZar: true :) [12:27] YokoZar: The current process does put alot more onus on the sponsors, but I'm already really strict for people whsoe packages I sponsor. Not a big deal. =) [12:28] It does illustrate that the system heavily depends on the Debian maintainers still. And when they're not updating packages, or there are significant usability problems with the ones they have (Wine), people like me are put in a bit of a bind. [12:29] lamont: you want to claim 6841? :) [12:30] YokoZar: no, your ptroblem isnt that you provide newer or up to date packages, but you step away from a given scheme where users, devs and apps may rely on.... === jinty [~jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] ogra: True. But it is backwards compatible [12:34] YokoZar: does it provide libwine-jack, -alsa, -capi, -print, -nas, -arts etc. ? [12:35] Yeah. Wine automagically detects all that stuff now, and seperating it out just created confusion. This was the consensus among the wine devs too - we were having way too many problems with Debian users with incomplete packages asking for support [12:36] It only saved like 20k of space by not having some of those drivers included (sometimes it wasn't even a savings of space, due to the changelog files) === mpt_newjersey [~mpt@dynamic-oit-pu-dormnet-bb-b-14.Princeton.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] YokoZar: so what about a package we eagerly want in ubuntu that was written for debian and that heavily depends on libwine-capi ? [12:37] (a hypothetic one) [12:38] There are no packages like that though. libwine-capi is included in wine now anyway. There are also no current packages which depend on libwine, and due to all the changes we're going through with Wine (like removing the configuration file) there's a need to upgrade wine anyway [12:38] All the libwine-capi file is is Ove seperating out the 20k or so Capi driver into a seperate package, so that Wine will fail mysteriously when a program calls for it and a user doesn't have it. === elmo [~james@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jba [~jba@210.185.67.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~jhaltom@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] Kamion: still here? === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-208-087.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] so, netapplet is actually an applet now [01:05] how novel! === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jaco [~jaco@host98-157.pool80181.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox_ [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] i'm off to bed - bye === lamont runs into town for a little bit === whiprush [4a6f7be6c5@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupusBE [~lupus@dD5E03EF9.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] my system hangs in gnome when using the new 10-4 kernel [01:44] 10-3 works fine [01:45] any reports about this? [01:45] lupusBE: yes [01:45] is it been taking care off? [01:46] lupusBE: yes; temp. workaround: add "noinotify" to the kernel commandline === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-192-116.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9793 [01:52] I just booted the 10-3 kernel so :) [01:53] lupusBE: that works too [01:55] lupusBE, the 10-4 kernel frezzes my sys after a random amount of time === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-215-89-73.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] :) [02:01] its weird === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-192-116.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] zenrox: have you tried adding 'noinotify' to your kernel commandline? [02:03] assuming you're all about using 10-4 [02:15] hawke, naw ill wate till it gets fixed === mpt_newjersey [~mpt@dynamic-oit-pu-dormnet-bb-b-14.Princeton.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macewan [~macewan@ip68-101-19-222.nc.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-215-89-73.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] hey [03:08] ummmm...what is minipatch.diff doing in the main kernel directory when i do apt-get source? === biquillo [~biquillo@27.Red-83-34-157.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~root@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvh [~pvh@S010600121729b5b8.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] I just installed my new DVD drive, and it didn't create an entry in fstab. Is that a bug? [03:39] no [03:39] (Is that nor, or enh?) [03:39] ubuntu does not use fstab for removeable devices [03:39] stick a CD in it [03:39] and it should use pmount to automount it [03:40] Hmm. Well, totem carps at me about not being able to mount /dev/hdc when I "Play Disc" [03:40] "Failed to find mountpoint for device /dev/hdc in /etc/fstab" [03:41] that's a totem bug I think [03:41] Oh, yeah, my computer freezes hard whenever a USB device gets unmounted. That's the other one -- is that a known hoary problem? [03:41] (Regardless of whether I 'umount' or just unplug it.) [03:42] pvh: what hardware [03:42] ? [03:42] So far, three kinds of USB storage devices on both my laptop and desktop. [03:42] pvh: also good to search on bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org [03:43] HrdwrBoB: I appreciate that, but I've never found any bug I've tried to report there. Either I stress things in strange ways, or I don't have the right vocabulary for searching. [03:43] lamont: ping me when you get back === geppy [~geppy@c-24-0-83-218.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] gstreamer0.8-jack is broken. [03:47] Is there anything I can do to help? [03:47] yes you can open a bug report [03:47] There have been bug reports opened, but they were closed "so that gstreamer-plugins wouldn't be held up." [03:48] geppy: you can check on #ubuntu-motu [03:49] What does the motu refer to? [03:49] masters of the universe [03:49] hahahahaha [03:49] Thanks. =) [03:49] aka the people who look after universe packages :) [03:49] hahaha =) [03:50] I'm having some interesting pbuilder trouble I can't figure out. [03:50] trying to build a package in it, and it's coming back saying a few dependencies are not authenticated [03:50] apt-secure stuff... these deps are all in main. I'm not sure why they aren't authenticated [03:51] wasabi: perhaps gpg isn't in the pbuilder chroot [03:51] oh, perhaps. [03:51] seems like it should be! [03:52] I think that was fixed, but I'm not sure [03:53] hahah [03:53] gnupg can't be installed in the chroot [03:53] because gnupg can't be authenticated. =) [03:53] I had that problem as well :) === wasabi trise to recreate it [03:54] gnupg should be part of hte base system [04:01] okay that doesn't even work === lamont returns, grumpy === lamont also learned today that he gets to attend 7th grade tomorrow. :-( grumble [04:17] okay so what does one do in apt.conf to disable authentication [04:44] jdub awake yet? === helix [~erinn@helix.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p508EAB3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] hehe, xdesktopwaves with compmgr + opacity is pretty sweet === lordan [~lordan@217.20.251.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] hey [05:12] lamont: ping [05:14] evening zul === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Amaranth [Amaranth@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] fabbione: any chance linux-image could get an updated ipw2200 (1.0.1) driver soon? [05:35] the current one doesn't seem to work with 2915 [05:35] fabbione isnt here [05:36] he may see the message when he comes back :) [05:36] the one currently in the image is 0.19 from dec :\ [05:38] i can look into it but i cant guarantee anything though [05:38] ok [05:39] ah i didn't realize you worked on the ubuntu kernel as well :) [05:39] im one of them [05:40] calc: he's just the fall guy [05:41] heh [05:41] tseng: today i am [05:42] zul: so, inotify. fix [05:42] :D [05:42] tseng: shut it :) [05:45] What's wrong with inotify? [05:46] it sucks [05:46] Worse then dnotify? :) [05:48] check bugzilla...night night [06:09] lamont: pong [06:10] jdub: so this inotify crack [06:10] for -24 we're kinda thinking of just disabling it by default, while the inotify crackheads work on it for -25... thoughts? === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] we _think_ we can do that without an abi event, while changing the driver almost certainly generates one. === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] that is, we're hoping to make it so you can boot with 'inotify' as a kernel parm and have inotify back in it's broken state. Failing that, we'll just make it so that the default is 'noinotify' (although you can specify it to be sure...) === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@210.18.160.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:20] HEL!PP! update-manager cant download any files from archive.ubuntu.com.... nor can apt-get [06:20] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main python-glade2 2.5.4-0ubuntu2 [06:20] Got a single header line over 360 chars [06:20] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main python2.4-gtk2 2.5.4-0ubuntu2 [06:20] Bad header line [06:20] please help === toresbe [tsb@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont pokes at jdub, hoping for some response... [06:28] lamont: agree [06:28] lamont: sorry, phone calls and so on === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@210.18.160.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:30] http://rafb.net/paste/results/e6dA0D46.html - someone pelase help - its urgent... [06:34] da_bon_bon, word of adivice dude, no matter how urgent your support request is, asking for support in the devel channel will not elicite many helpful responses [06:34] in the mean time, could be overloaded servers, bad proxy, or so on [06:35] jba: i thought that some developer might now whether the mirrors down or something [06:35] da_bon_bon, I'm not actually a developer, so I can't help you in that respect [06:35] just try it again sometime [06:35] ok. can u tri it out, so that i can confirm ? [06:36] jdub: np. [06:37] jba: also, everytime i try to dist-upgrade, it says some packages cudnt be authenticated, do u wanna continue ? [06:38] da_bon_bon, I don't have my ubuntu system here with me [06:38] I'm on windows dude sorry [06:38] try getting someone in #ubuntu to help out [06:38] jba: ok, but can u give some ponters ? [06:39] when i get those errors dude, I simply assume it's heavy network load and try it again another day [06:39] can't do much more else than that dude, sorry [06:40] well, this happens 90% of the time i try updating [06:47] jba: worked! just did apt-get clean headers [06:48] da_bon_bon, some times it's the proxy caching the headers (if you have a poxying, nating firewall like ipcop or smoothwall) [06:53] jba: no proxy.. but apt-get clean headers doesnt remove the downloaded packages ? [06:53] or does it ? [06:54] no i don't think it does [06:55] ok === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont falls into bed. [07:07] jdub, mdz: if anyone's looking for me tomorrow, I'm stuck with .au-ish hours. (briefly around 1300UTC, then back on at 2300UTC-ish for the workday.) [07:08] night :) [07:09] .au hours are the best in the world dude [07:09] jba, not wrong mate [07:09] aside from when you have to work with people in .us [07:09] aah thats what I like to see, an oss IRC channel with aussies in it [07:09] AndyFitz, no, no. it's them that have to work with us ;) [07:11] jba, only because we are cheaper than chips [07:12] mmm chips [07:12] haha there's some guy in #ubuntu called woodywarty === AndyFitz thinks about a run down to the fish cafe [07:14] which suburb you in AndyFitz [07:14] ? [07:14] fortitude valley, brisbane [07:14] aah. === jba frenchs forest sydney [07:14] "the northern beaches" [07:15] my outlaws are from brissy [07:15] damn aussies making me stay up late just to talk to you :P [07:15] Amaranth, its worth it tho isnt it ? === aj wonders who andyfitz is [07:16] AndyFitz: Not at all, you guys just talk about fish and chips. [07:16] jba, lots of sydney guys here ive noticed [07:16] :D [07:17] i haven't, but then again I'm not in -devel too often [07:17] aj, im AndyFitz obviously :-P === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] Amaranth, I have to stay up late to talk to the scribus guys, its only fair someone has to do the reverse [07:19] Morning [07:22] elmo: squid sync, please (throwing away Ubuntu changes is alright) === mpt_newjersey [~mpt@dynamic-oit-pu-dormnet-bb-b-14.Princeton.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@210.18.160.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] is kde 3.4 in the repos ? of hoary ? [07:50] da_bon_bon: no [07:50] Riddell: but on the kubuntu page, someone has written some guy has updated some 3.4 packages... === BlackHussar [~BlackHuss@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d3vic3 [~foobar@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-35-241.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@ppp-207-173.30-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] ciao === dholbach [~daniel@td9091c0f.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] good morning [09:14] hi dholbach [09:15] hai pitti! === martink [~martin@pD955E78E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] lo dholbach [09:23] hi d3vic3 [09:24] evenign d3vic3, dholbach, pitti :) === sid77 [~sid77@ppp-207-173.30-151.libero.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Don't] === msturm [~msturm@t-20-214.athome.tue.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] hai mvo! [09:44] i'm looking at a hoary box of a friend; selecting gnome in gdm and logging in freezes her box completely, while kde is fine [09:44] what do i have to disable to make it work? [09:44] dholbach: boot with noinotify [09:44] that'd be all? [09:44] uh, afaik === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-151.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] hai dholbach, morning all [09:46] hey mvo [09:47] hi Treenaks === mvo yawns === dholbach caffeinates mvo a bit. === mvo is already preparing his morning tea [09:51] aaaargh! someone filed a bug about firefox not being session aware [09:52] that one is so "UPSTREAM! RUN AWAY SCREAMING" [09:53] Hi mvo [09:55] hi pitti [09:56] moin [09:56] hai ogra! [09:56] brrrr..... [09:57] hey ogra === ogra freezes....hhhhheating seems off [09:58] ogra: on purpose? [09:58] nope [09:59] ad the landlord inst here.... s i doubt it will get switsched on soon.... [09:59] and....isnt [09:59] so [09:59] type a LOT.. [10:00] gah....i need more letters.... [10:00] oh and turn on some number-crunching CPU-time-eating stuff [10:00] heh [10:00] nah, just buy an ia64 [10:01] much easier [10:01] yeah, like python-transitioning vtk - compiling took me more than half an hour :-) === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] morning pitti [10:02] Hi thom [10:02] thom: actually I'm up for 3 hours now already :-) === pitti just tested smurfix keyboard selector [10:02] smurfix: ping [10:02] pong [10:03] , even [10:03] thats pong ? [10:03] Yep [10:03] you see me impressed :) [10:03] cool [10:04] smurfix: is there any way to display the selected keyboard layout after your guesstimator has finished? [10:04] smurfix: so far I verified the choice only by typing some keys in a dialog box [10:05] Yeah, go back and go to keyboard selection again [10:05] The currently-chosen keyboard is on top [10:05] ah, ok [10:05] I actually tried that :-) [10:05] but I wasn't sure whether this was adapted, since German was my default choice anyway [10:05] smurfix: cool, thanks [10:06] It is. It doesn't work if you change your language in the meantime, but that's an old bug in kbd-chooser. === jk [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix should learn better English. s/the meantime/between. === dredg [niall@malkovich.office.blacknight.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@203.89.163.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] Morning all! [10:10] Hi sivang [10:10] Kamion: mdz asked me to remove raidtools2 from heartbeat, to allow raidtools2 demotion to universe [10:10] Kamion: however, raidtools2 is in the installer seed as well. Will you handle this? [10:10] Hey pitti :) [10:11] hi dredg [10:11] hi sivan [10:11] hi sivang [10:11] hi dholbach [10:11] hi mvo [10:11] hi sivang [10:12] ajmitch_: Hello [10:26] elmo: ping [10:36] sivang: do you want to start hacking on gcm today? [10:38] pitti: yes :) [10:40] mako: back now [10:40] pitti: let me do some grepping [10:40] Kamion: mako's asleep :) [10:40] Kamion: I looked at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-hoary-output/all [10:41] aj: I figure even with a 12-hour time lag we can probably manage to have a conversation eventually [10:41] Kamion: I uploaded a new heartbeat, so the only thing that holds raidtools2 is the installer seed [10:41] Kamion: pretty robust protocol you've got there [10:42] pitti: yeah, just trying to work out if and where it's actually used [10:42] ah, ok [10:43] is raidtools2 older/newer than mdadm? [10:44] older [10:45] ok [10:45] Kamion: I think mdadm is the way to the future [10:45] Kamion: personally I like it much better than the raidtools [10:45] no references to it in d-i, I'll kill it [10:45] yay [10:46] Kamion: do you already use mdadm to configure raid parititons? [10:46] partitions, even [10:48] pitti: yes [10:48] mdcfg does so [10:49] cool [10:52] pitti: done [10:52] thanks === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-6-199.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] mjg59: any ideas on how to handle 6447; i think just caching what the previous state was (in power.sh) and if it's not changed exit early should be fine... === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] elmo: here? [11:23] oh god, the release notes are wrong in so many places :( [11:23] "Hoary introduces a supported AMD64 port, ..." === lupusBE [~lupus@dD5E03DB9.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thom shakes his fist at pitti [11:32] thom: what's wrong? [11:32] thom: the bug assignment? [11:32] mozilla guru indeed [11:32] hehe [11:32] thom: I just remembered the other CAN issue which you missed because I didn't reassign the bug to you [11:33] i was so tempted to reassign it back with some snide comment about how the security team were more suitable for doing the work [11:34] thom: this does not imply that you should fix it for Warty right now :-) [11:37] thom: Sounds reasonable [11:37] Treenaks: have you seen http://www.navsys.org/ngpsd/ ? [11:39] lamont: I guess it doesn't make much sense to set up a buildd on the sparc box I have? [11:40] Mithrandir: yeah, and it looks dead [11:40] Treenaks: drop the admin a mail and ask what's up? [11:41] Mithrandir: good point [11:41] Treenaks: they're going to present at FOSDEM [11:41] lightning talk [11:41] oh? cool [11:41] sunday 15:15-15:30 [11:41] has the keysigining-time been set? [11:41] no idea [11:58] bunch of amateurs :) [12:04] ogra: ping [12:04] pitti: pong :) [12:04] mjg59: also, we need to find a way of getting the X user which doesn't suck [12:04] ogra: instead of wrapping the uuencoded pngs into a debian patch, why don't you just ship them in debian/ and install them from there? [12:05] diff doesnt like binary files [12:05] ogra: no, I mean keep them uuencoded [12:05] ogra: still uuencoded [12:05] ogra: but just add the files to debian/ [12:05] ah, ok [12:05] ogra: and just uudecode -o build-tree/foo < debian/foo.png.uuencoded [12:06] ogra: this makes the patch much smaller and nicer [12:06] okiedokie.... [12:06] ogra: and pleeease s/os.system/os.spawnl/ === dholbach makes anote to himself [12:07] thom: Mm. [12:07] ogra: this avoids an intermediate shell [12:07] ok [12:09] tseng: here ? [12:10] mjg59: bring back pam_console, all is forgiven? ;-) === thom ducks [12:12] ogra: also, you should Suggest: hwdb-client [12:12] yup [12:12] ogra: btw, will hwdb-client be fully functional with Hoary? [12:12] i hope so :) [12:12] ogra: I just tried it, does it already send data to us? [12:12] ogra: I mean, we should not add this patch to hal if the client is not ready [12:12] but at least it will collct and send until horay... [12:13] which was the main goal.... [12:15] ogra: fadein and fadeout are certainly the most critical functions :-) === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] Morning carlos [12:15] hehe.... hwdb-gui was the first thing i wrote.... i was still playing at this time .... [12:15] thom: Something like that. It's a bit of a pain. [12:15] morning [12:16] pitti: but -gui shall become a generic xml viewer with some easy scripting functions in hoary+1, so it can be used by other projects to provide a constant look and feel [12:17] ogra: oh, cool [12:17] ogra: but sending will definitively work for hoary, so we can apply the hal patch (and commit to the functionality) [12:17] mjg59: indeed [12:18] yup....http://www.grawert.net/hwdb_schema.png (hwdb-send will just be a 10 liner doing a http-post) [12:19] ogra: nice pic :-) [12:19] pitti: -qa is the big part thats still missing....but it should work without it anyway... [12:19] pitti: so i can guarantee the collection at least, which is the most important thing to do [12:21] ogra: will hwdb go into main? [12:21] ogra: if so, you should recommend it instead of suggest [12:22] ogra: or even better, it should be in ship seed [12:22] okay...i think its planned to get it into main === opi [~emil@217.153.156.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rburton [~ross@84.12.33.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rburton [~ross@84.12.33.22] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:28] ogra: erm... [12:28] ? === decko [decko@143.107.220.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] ogra: analoguous to your gtk.TRUE -> True changes, you should do the same for FALSE [12:42] ogra: /usr/bin/hwdb-gui:26: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.FALSE is deprecated, use False instead [12:42] yup... [12:43] i know... [12:43] ogra: just tested the crack, looks very nice! === opi_away [~emil@217.153.156.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] pitti: thanks :) [12:43] ogra: the last two letters of "database" can't be seen with the default column width [12:43] ogra: does that happen for you as well? [12:43] in the button ? or in hwdb-gui ? [12:44] ogra: in the h-d-m button [12:44] ogra: maybe you should just enlarge the default width of the row a bit [12:44] hrm...looksok here, but i'll adjust that [12:45] ogra: maybe because I have a different screen size and thus a different DPI [12:45] dunno === ogra wonders if DB would be sufficient for the users.... [12:45] ogra: rather drop the "contribute" [12:45] yup, its redundant, youre right [12:45] ogra: "Submit data ... to the Ubuntu Device Database" is clear as well IMHO === opi_away is now known as opi [12:55] Mithrandir: if you're a glutton for punishment, and have hoary installed on the sparc box, and want to give me root, I could set up a buildd. Or we could wait for fabbione to get back and reboot his - he wasn't that concerned if it went down while he was gone [12:55] although i think he expected it to stay up more than 48 hours after he left.. === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra looks up glutton [12:56] lol === Mithrandir goes for the "wolverine" interpretation of glutton [12:56] hehe === Alessio [~Alessio@host146-69.pool8255.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] lamont: I'll bring it home tonight then, since I'm not allowed to hand out root accounts to people on the university network.. [12:57] bah - I had one at stanford :) [12:58] I'm also part of our computer club CERT, so I should probably be a good example. :) [12:58] mind you, it was a surprise to the owner after two handsoffs.. [12:58] heh :) [12:58] stanford CERT owned the box [12:58] *chuckle*. I'm sure they were happy about that, then. === Mithrandir kicks libtool [01:00] their rep left, and the recipient left the department within 6 months. about 6 month's after _that_, I had login problems (kerberos update missed that box)... Was news to the new rep that she even _owned_ the box, let alone that I had a root account on it [01:00] yay for good security :) [01:00] the machine was a mail forwarder outside their firewall [01:01] Keybuk: what's a good way to go about debugging the multiarched libtool? [01:02] libtool --debug ... [01:02] (which is really cunningly implemented, _oh_yes_) [01:03] Mithrandir: the best way I've found is to beg/plead/trick someone who knows libtool into doing it for you. :-) Chocolate sometimes works. [01:04] Keybuk: the test suite fails, and I want to look at exact what fails about it. [01:07] which tests fail? [01:17] Keybuk: demo-make.test (multiple times), depdemo-make.test (multiple times), pdemo-make.test, mdemo2-make.test [01:19] then you've quite majorly broken it :) [01:20] I haven't touched it, I've just recompiled it in a multiarch environment [01:21] probably needs to support it [01:21] it already has support for a search path -- why can't just that be used? [01:21] it does [01:22] where do I even start debugging this? [01:22] run the tests in verbose mode, read the logs, see what fails [01:22] create your own test bits of code, run libtool over them, see what it does and make sure it's right [01:22] run libtool in debug mode to trace where things go wrong [01:22] fix it [01:22] (basically the usual way) [01:22] ok === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp47-105.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amu [amu@195.227.106.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] anybody knows of a website with good documentation for developing usb kernel modules for Linux 2.6.x? [01:48] HcE :) [01:49] HcE: might be better to ask on #kernelnewbies? [01:50] ok === amu [amu@195.227.106.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] just a thought [01:51] any thoughts are good [01:51] I'm finding out that 2.4-driver isn't much use at all for 2.6 === elmo [~james@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] Hi elmo [02:05] elmo: derooting mdadm -F is nontrivial [02:05]