[12:00] <crypticreign> hawke_: well the changing permission on .ICEauthority didnt work. gonna try to remove vbesave now
[12:00] <hawke_> crypticreign: I can almost guarantee that will be it.
[12:00] <crypticreign> hawke_: can i stop vbesave with chkconfig?
[12:01] <hawke_> crypticreign: I ... don't know.  what's chkconfig do?
[12:01] <crypticreign> a great debian tool.. i had it on my last ubuntu install.. apt-get cant seem to find it now tho
[12:03] <hawke_> crypticreign: I seem to recall it being redhat-based, but...shrug
[12:04] <topyli> isn't chkconfig like update-rc.d?
[12:05] <crypticreign> dunno
[12:05] <ompaul> crypticreign, it is a rpm distro tool -  apt-get install rcconf might be a little tool
[12:05] <crypticreign> whats the curses based services tool?
[12:05] <crypticreign> ah
[12:05] <ompaul> crypticreign, of use in this case
[12:05] <hawke_> topyli: I think so.  But I think chkconfig is much simpler
[12:06] <mz2> hmm, am wondering if the fancy new incarnation of enlightenment is worth trying
[12:06] <topyli> crypticreign: i like sysv-rc-conf. it's a ncurses gui
[12:06] <crypticreign> boooh, it doesnt have vbesave listed
[12:06] <ompaul> hawke, have a look at rcconf and tell me it is hard :)
[12:06] <ompaul> hmm
[12:06] <hawke_> ompaul: I was comparing to update-rc.d
[12:06] <ompaul> yeah different levels
[12:07] <aremedis> howdy, I'm trying to install VPN 3000 and my instructions have me input "Directory containing linux kernel source code " can someone help me find this directory?
[12:07] <hawke_> crypticreign: Is there an /etc/rc3.d/S05vbesave
[12:07] <hawke_> ?
[12:07] <crypticreign> yes
[12:07] <crypticreign> rm it?
[12:07] <ompaul> aremedis, where did you find VPN 3000 ? the only one I have used on linux freebsd windows is OpenVPN
[12:08] <hawke_> crypticreign: yup
[12:08] <aremedis> ompaul: from the university i work for
[12:08] <crypticreign> hawke_: yessir, rebnooting now
[12:08] <ompaul> ahh
[12:08] <topyli> crypticreign: apt tells me rcconf is just about the same thing as sysv-rc-conf, but the command itself is user-friendlier :)
[12:08] <crypticreign> rebooting
[12:08] <hawke_> crypticreign: and rc2.d/S05
[12:08] <hawke_> crypticreign: rc2.d is the important one
[12:08] <crypticreign> oh
[12:08] <hawke_> crypticreign: That's the default runlevel..
[12:10] <bborkk> Is anyone successfully using wxPython 2.5.3 on Ubuntu?
[12:11] <hawke_> bborkk: I am, sort of
[12:11] <hawke_> bborkk: with the musicbrainz 'picard' tagger
[12:11] <bborkk> hawke_: So, I was too until I upgraded to Hoary.
[12:12] <bborkk> hawke_: You're not at ML are you?
[12:12] <hawke_> bborkk: ML?
[12:12] <crypticreign> hawke_: you are my new best friend
[12:12] <hawke_> crypticreign: lol, I take it it worked?
[12:12] <bborkk> hawke_: Guess not.  :)
[12:12] <aremedis> howdy, I'm trying to install VPN 3000 and my instructions have me input "Directory containing linux kernel source code " can someone help me find this directory?
[12:12] <crypticreign> hawke_: yes
[12:13] <hawke_> crypticreign: I had the exact same problem...what model is your laptop / what video chipset does it take?
[12:13] <hawke_> take -> have
[12:13] <bborkk> hawke_: Anyway, I'm using Python 2.4 and it has access to wxPython 2.4.2.4, but not to 2.5.3.1.
[12:14] <hawke_> bborkk: You mean, the package doesn't install, or .. ?
[12:14] <crypticreign> hawke_: dell inspiron 5000, its an ati rage pro
[12:14] <crypticreign> hawke_: hehe, gnome freezes after it laods the background and doesnt show any panel icons or anything
[12:14] <crypticreign> ugh
[12:14] <hawke_> crypticreign: Is that the one that's the same as the Compal N30W?
[12:15] <crypticreign> um, dont know
[12:15] <bborkk> hawke_: I have wxpython2.5.3, libwxgtk2.5.3, and libwxgtk2.5.3-python installed.  No problems there.
[12:15] <viper12> cryptic....did you just upgrade hoary before these freezes?
[12:15] <crypticreign> viper12: yes
[12:16] <crypticreign> first time in gnome after upgrading to hoary
[12:16] <viper12> The problem is the new 10-4 kernel and the gam-server.  either use the 10-3 kernel OR add the "noinotify" option in the grub menu.
[12:16] <crypticreign> ok
[12:16] <viper12> the kernel is panicking.
[12:16] <hawke_> crypticreign: Are the keyboard LEDs blinking?
[12:16] <bborkk> aremedis: You might want to check in /boot somewhere.
[12:17] <crypticreign> hawke_: no
[12:17] <viper12> bugzilla is well aware of the issue, and there should be  a fix fairly shortly, but for now, the 'noinotify' option in the boot line in grub fixes it. (got my system running again.)
[12:17] <hawke_> crypticreign: Mouse still move?
[12:17] <AndyR> nn all
[12:17] <crypticreign> hawke_: hehe no
[12:17] <crypticreign> viper12: ok ill try that.. it also looks like my resolution is set lower than it was
[12:17] <hawke_> crypticreign: Your laptop is the same model as mine
[12:17] <hawke_> crypticreign: Mine's the OEM version, yours is the rebranded/re-firmware'd version.
[12:17] <aremedis> bborkk: what would the file im looking for look like?
[12:18] <viper12> hawke, trust me, its a kernel panic.  the easiest way to check is to switch ctrl/alt/f1 right after you log in but before gnome gets loading....lyou'll get to watch the kernel barf.
[12:18] <hawke_> viper12: I believe you
[12:18] <dstevens> Hi all have been having problems installing libssl-dev, dependence problems on a laptop upgraded from hoary to warty, unpacked a fresh mini-itx installed ubuntu warty with cd from post box, everything run fine so i can only presume that its is a problem with Hoary to Warty upgrade, does this sound plausable.
[12:18] <hawke_> viper12: I just thought the keyboard LEDs always flashed if the kernel panicked.
[12:18] <bborkk> aremedis: Well, /boot is where all the kernels are kept, but I'm not sure about the sources.
[12:19] <viper12> the kernel panic's....then the machine will completely lock up. (reset required.)
[12:19] <hawke_> What exactly is the point of the vbesave init script?
[12:21] <hawke_> bborkk: so, what problems are you running into w/ wxpython?
[12:21] <crypticreign> viper12: yes that worked
[12:21] <viper12> :)
[12:21] <crypticreign> hmm, my resolution is set at 1024x768 it seems
[12:21] <crypticreign> was at 1400x1050 before
[12:21] <viper12> not sure there..........but at least the system will 'load'.
[12:21] <dstevens> Mini-itx has finished compiling, make install; Must be a problem with Hoary to Warty on my laptop, mmm should i consider a reinstall with Hoary.
[12:21] <crypticreign> hmm, thats not even listed
[12:22] <viper12> you mean warty to hoary, right dstevens?
[12:22] <bborkk> hawke_:  wx.VERSION returns (2,4,2,4) instead of (2,5,3,1)... Python doesn't seem to know about wxPython2.5.3
[12:23] <hawke_> crypticreign: You might have to add it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:23] <mz2> fatal error: could not find default font 'fixed'
[12:24] <mz2> what to do? which package should give this_
[12:24] <mz2> ?
[12:24] <hawke_> crypticreign: http://kropf.net/i5000/  may be generally useful if you've not found it already.
[12:24] <dstevens> viper12, Warty is now, Hoary was yup.
[12:24] <aremedis> the install for VPN 3000 needs to build a module, what path do I use to direct it?
[12:25] <andrewski> only today, i can't access my sound for use in mpd.  can anyone help?
[12:25] <bborkk> andrewski: what is mpd?
[12:25] <andrewski> bborkk: music player daemon, a really good program.
[12:25] <andrewski> bborkk: but why can't it be run?
[12:26] <hawke_> bborkk: wx.VERSION gives 2,5,3,2,'pre' for me
[12:26] <crypticreign> hawke_: yeah adding it worked
[12:26] <xvers> hey.. i have warty, 64-bit, i constantly have problems installing packages because apt-get cant find amd64 packages.. is there any way i can make apt-get install 32 bit packages also, since the processor is supposed to run in both modes ??
[12:26] <hawke_> crypticreign: Wish I had that nice screen you do...mine only does 1024x768..
[12:26] <bborkk> hawke_: Which repository did you get it from?  Do you have wxpython 2.4 installed as well?
[12:26] <crypticreign> hawke_: ouch
[12:26] <crypticreign> hawke_: anything less than 1400 x 1050 drives me nuts
[12:27] <tjs> anyone here using the synaptic modules for dell touchpads?
[12:27] <dstevens> Should i consider reinstalling a fresh with Warty, would that be best and remove that 30gig hogging xp install in the process ??
[12:28] <dstevens> I know it sounds extreme, to reinstall for the sake of a dependency problem.
[12:28] <mz2> is there some configuration script i should run to fix the font issue?
[12:29] <mseney> dstevens, i like hearing the words "remove xp" :)
[12:29] <andrewski> have the udev permissions changed in hoary today?
[12:30] <hawke_> bborkk: universe...
[12:30] <crypticreign> haha yay, a bunch of gnome icons are missing.. and i have a red x instead of a trashbin
[12:31] <crypticreign> hmm, no Industrial theme
[12:31] <hawke_> bborkk: I do not have wxpython2.4 installed as well (and don't see the option to do so)
[12:31] <beaz> hey all, i work in a recording studio, we recently went 100% linux. We were using fedora core 3 but it wasnt stable enough and decided to try out a few other distros, Ubuntu was one of them. We need a low latency patch but are having problems getting this to work, can anyone help?
[12:31] <viper12> dstevens, I missed part of the dependency issue....what is borking things up?
[12:31] <andrewski> how do i check which my package install history?
[12:32] <dstevens> viper12, libssl-dev is the problem libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7d-3) but 0.9.7d-3ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[12:33] <crypticreign> haha why does "evolution2-2" start up evolution 2.1.5?
[12:33] <beaz> can ubuntu run with a 2.4 kernel?
[12:33] <dstevens> Proved it tobe a local issue on this laptop, but im not sure howto resolve issue
[12:33] <hawke_> crypticreign: I think 2.1.5 is the devel version that will become 2.2
[12:33] <viper12> the libssl-dev controls 'what' on that laptop?
[12:34] <crypticreign> hawke_: ah
[12:34] <dstevens> trying to compile asterisk linux-pbx
[12:34] <bborkk> hawke_: Are you using Python 2.4?
[12:34] <viper12> nods.  well first off, you had hoary on it, then you "downgraded" to warty, and you're having issues, am i correct on this one?
[12:34] <hawke_> bborkk: Yup
[12:35] <nutshell42> hi, I use the ubuntu 4.10 live cd but suddenly I can no longer start any programs, all I get are "connection refused by server" "no protocol specified" errors
[12:35] <DAC1138> hey hey hey, im back
[12:36] <DAC1138> does anyone here play ut2004?
[12:36] <nutshell42> (no new windows->no browser (well, lynx but that's too much trouble =), therefore I'm asking here)
[12:36] <hawke_> DAC1138: I do
[12:36] <DAC1138> hawke what video card do you have?
[12:36] <DAC1138> hawke i can play it unless its in software mode :-(
[12:36] <hawke_> DAC1138: Geforce FX5700Ultra
[12:36] <DAC1138> hawke and software mode is ugly and painfull, but it works
[12:37] <beaz> does ubuntu work with a 2.4 kernel? i ask because mine is having issues
[12:37] <dstevens> Im using Warty cd from post i think i confused myself with the Warty, Hoary thing, think i still am.  Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog" is the newest ??
[12:37] <nutshell42> dstevens: according to the homepage, yes
[12:37] <hawke_> dstevens: The newest stable version.
[12:37] <viper12> 4.10 is the supported release.  "hoary hedgehog" is the beta release.  So you're on warty now, and having a dependency issue.
[12:37] <hawke_> dstevens: hoary is the devel/testing version
[12:38] <Kokey> Hoary is testing version, tell it to me... I have problems with the new kernel upgrade
[12:38] <dstevens> cool not confused anymore.
[12:38] <viper12> What I would do would be to use synaptics to "smart-upgrade" everything in warty first...then see what's what.
[12:38] <dstevens> hoary=unstable
[12:38] <viper12> exactly dstevens.
[12:38] <hybrid_> veery unstable on ppc
[12:38] <viper12> and after today's kernel panic wonder-fun, unstable be the operative word. lol
[12:38] <hawke_> hybrid_: Not in my experience
[12:39] <hawke_> viper12: what's the kernel to avoid?
[12:39] <nutshell42> if noone can help me with the first problem, I have two other questions; I'm thinking about installing ubuntu for a computer illiterate and I need (a) non-case sensitive file sorting
[12:39] <viper12> 2.6.10-4-686 or 386
[12:39] <beaz> under the 2.4.26 kernel what is the equivilant to udev?
[12:39] <hybrid_> hawke_ well my hoary ibook the screen goes all wild and distorted so i  have  to restart
[12:39] <dstevens> viper12, will try the smart-upgrade back soon.
[12:40] <viper12> although hawke....if you put a "noinotify" in the grub boot command for that kernel................it will bypass the gam_server kernel panic, and all will live okay for now. :)
[12:40] <nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6, checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:40] <beaz> under the 2.4.26 kernel what is the equivilant to udev?
[12:40] <viper12> nods to dstevens.
[12:40] <hawke_> viper12: thanks
[12:40] <viper12> np
[12:40] <andrewski> how do i check my package install history?
[12:41] <nutshell42> no ethernet devices, if I configure one it's listed as "nil" and it doesn't work, I had to do all the stuff manually (difficult, it's been a long time since I've used route as most distributions automatically set routes if you change something with ifconfig) and that's simply not an option
[12:41] <viper12> afk a few...
[12:42] <usual> can openoffice work with ms access files
[12:42] <Nermal> no
[12:42] <Nermal> not even ms access can half the time
[12:42] <hawke_> usual: Yes, via ODBC
[12:42] <Nermal> ah.. I suppose
[12:42] <usual> hawke, do I need the dbase OOo app?
[12:42] <hawke_> usual: But it's a pain, and not pretty at all
[12:43] <beaz> under the 2.4.26 kernel what is the equivilant to udev?
[12:43] <dstevens> viper12, smart-upgrade shows there is nothing to mark, run apt-get dist-upgrade everything look fine.
[12:43] <nutshell42> could anyone at least acknowledge that I exist, please? I'm actually wondering whether I can post in this channel
[12:43] <hawke_> beaz: devfs(d) possibly?
[12:43] <beaz> thanks!!
[12:43] <hawke_> nutshell42: You're welcome to post here.
[12:44] <dstevens> nutsheel42, Hi there
[12:44] <nutshell42> good I thought perhaps it's +m =)
[12:44] <nutshell42> oh, stupid, irssi shows the modes in the tab bar
[12:44] <minimec> nutshell42: can you start firefox with 'sudo firefox'?
[12:44] <dstevens> Na head down typing like a madman on acid.
[12:44] <nutshell42> thought it was after the topic
[12:45] <minimec> nutshell42: can you start firefox with 'sudo firefox'?
[12:45] <beaz> thanks alot hawke, im gonna go test that now
[12:45] <nutshell42> minimec: nope
[12:45] <minimec> nutshell42: do you have an USB-Stick installed?
[12:46] <nutshell42> no
[12:46] <pussfeller> i wish someone would develop an FPS file manager
[12:46] <usual> is there an openoffice dbase package for ubuntu anywhere
[12:46] <hawke_> pussfeller: Do you remember the doom ps program?
[12:46] <minimec> nutshell42: sorry. I have no idea. Let me think a little while....
[12:46] <viper12> back.
[12:46] <pussfeller> when id open sources guake 3 it would be a good base
[12:47] <pussfeller> hawke, no
[12:47] <nutshell42> minimec: that X problem isn't all that important though, I assume it's somehow connected to the live-cd and would vanish (or at least be solvable) if I'd install ubuntu
[12:47] <e1ven> I have a x.org config question, under hoary.. When I start up without a monitor (logging in to X via VNC), I can only get 640x480. I think I need to define a default Screen/monitor section in xorg.conf, but I'm not sure how to make it default, rather than just another monitor.. Can anyone advise where to look, or suggest a solution?
[12:47] <nutshell42> I'm more interested in the case-sensitive sorting and the network config
[12:47] <hawke_> pussfeller: It would have all processes as monsters, init as the final boss ...killing monsters would kill the process.
[12:47] <hawke_> pussfeller: kinda insane.
[12:47] <nutshell42> thx nevertheless
[12:47] <hawke_> nutshell42: there's a gui network config applet
[12:47] <viper12> dsteven: okay, so if all that looks good, but you still get a dependency error, best bet would be to report it to the dev team via bugzilla or the forums. (my opinion anyway.)
[12:48] <hawke_> nutshell42: but that might be in hoary only.
[12:48] <minimec> nutshell42: That's true.
[12:48] <attila[ReDegliUn> Hello. How do I set a view-only password with vncpasswd ????
[12:48] <nutshell42>  nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6,
[12:48] <lexhider> elven: I have a similar issue, check out bug #5917: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5917
[12:48] <nutshell42>  nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6,
[12:48] <nutshell42>                     checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:48] <nutshell42>  nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6,
[12:48] <pussfeller> im thinkig you could run thru a room, the folders would be doors, and inside the room are avatars representing files and you could shot em with diff weapns to do different actions
[12:48] <nutshell42>                     checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:48] <nutshell42>                     checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:48] <nutshell42>  nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6,
[12:48] <nutshell42>                     checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:48] <hawke_> pussfeller: Not a bad idea.
[12:48] <nutshell42> aaargh
[12:48] <nutshell42> sry
[12:48] <viper12> lol
[12:50] <hawke_> pussfeller: would the files fight back, though?
[12:50] <minimec> nutshell42: Do you have a firewall running?
[12:50] <attila[ReDegliUn> Hello. How do I set a view-only password with vncpasswd ????
[12:50] <pussfeller> if you had improper permissions maybe
[12:51] <nutshell42> minimec: the network configuration dialog was the first thing I tried after starting ubuntu, so probably no
[12:51] <hawke_> pussfeller: http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/
[12:51] <minimec> nutshell42: ok
[12:52] <nutshell42> oh and it's not completely broken, I could set the nameserver
[12:52] <nutshell42> only the device configuration seems to be affected
[12:52] <bumperland> does anyone know how to get nvu to run ?
[12:53] <minimec> nutshell42: on the live-cd you should get 'root access' with 'su'. Try that.
[12:53] <no0tic> bumperland: there's a how-to
[12:53] <bumperland> where?
[12:53] <no0tic> bumperland: on ubuntu site
[12:53] <nutshell42> minimec: the only program running when suddenly I couldn't start any new ones was a root terminal; I used it to ssh to my router for irssi =)
[12:54] <bumperland> i'll take a look
[12:54] <no0tic> bumperland: in synthesis you have to install libstc++
[12:54] <minimec> nutshell42: so ssh is denying access...
[12:55] <hawke_> crypticreign: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5576
[12:55] <no0tic> bumperland: get tar.gz nvu pack and try launching it, it tells you what it's missing
[12:55] <nutshell42> minimec: ?
[12:55] <bumperland> it's installed
[12:56] <no0tic> bumperland: libtsdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[12:56] <no0tic> bumperland: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[12:58] <crypticreign> hawke_: haha :)
[12:58] <crypticreign> hawke_: thats my exact system,
[12:59] <hawke_> crypticreign: yes, mine too (effectively)
[01:00] <beaz> is there a low latency patch for the 2.6 kernel?
[01:00] <andrewski> anyone use mpd?
[01:01] <nayfnu> Hi guys - question about GDM's graphical greeter if anyone has the time
[01:01] <hawke_> nayfnu: ask away
[01:01] <dud> http://alpha.curbsqueal.com/ comments on my design kthnxbye? :/
[01:01] <FR500> hello
[01:02] <nayfnu> Just noticed that it's started displaying the greeter in a virtual resolution of 1600x1200, meaning bits scroll off the edge of the screen - it didn't used to, just started when I switched to the *cuogh* controversial circle of humans one
[01:02] <nayfnu> And now won't go back
[01:02] <nayfnu> I've hacked XF86Config-4 to allow that size of resolution
[01:03] <nayfnu> So that works, but at a very low refresh rate, and it's not ideal
[01:03] <beaz> Hey guys, does anyone know if there is a low latency patch for the 2.6 kernel?
[01:03] <hawke_> nayfnu: Remove the higher resolution from the config...
[01:03] <nayfnu> Can you force it to be a certain resolution?
[01:03] <hawke_> nayfnu: The largest one becomes the virtual resolution, the first one is the resolution it defaults to.
[01:04] <nayfnu> hawke_ - thanks, but previously the first one was 1024x768, also the largest
[01:04] <nayfnu> I'll change it back, see if it makes a difference
[01:04] <hawke_> nayfnu: Other than that, I don't know.
[01:04] <nayfnu> hawke_: no probs, it's a very minor thing anyway - thanks :)
[01:05] <beaz> Hey guys, does anyone know if there is a low latency patch for the 2.6 kernel?
[01:05] <nutshell42> seems like I'll have to use knoppix after all; that's unfortunate because there are KDE ppl and GNOME ppl and the person for whom I'm gonna install it is definitly of the second kind =/
[01:05] <FR500> where can i edit the file associations?
[01:05] <nayfnu> hawke_: Well, it works now :)
[01:06] <PacoBCN> anyone tried graveman 0.3.8?
[01:06] <nayfnu> A rogue 1200x1024 had snuck into my list, the little scallywag
[01:06] <PacoBCN> there's a debian package already
[01:06] <hawke_> nayfnu: lol
[01:06] <LinuxJones> PacoBCN, have you tried gnomebaker ?
[01:06] <crypticreign> graveman is awesome
[01:06] <nayfnu> Much obliged, sir.  Or, potentially, ma'am
[01:06] <crypticreign> 3.8 is even better
[01:06] <crypticreign> dont have it on my ubuntu system tho
[01:06] <PacoBCN> wanted to see the change log
[01:06] <PacoBCN> but the site is broken
[01:07] <aardvark> has anyone heard of Zabbix ?
[01:07] <piratePenguin> what program should I use to get online through 56k dialup? I used to use KPPP...
[01:07] <PacoBCN> wait, I installed the 0.3.8 version and it has mp3 support!
[01:07] <PacoBCN> great!
[01:08] <beaz> does anyone know if there is a low latency patch for the 2.6 kernel?
[01:08] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, gnomeppp
[01:08] <aardvark> \leave #ubuntu
[01:08] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, sorry gnome-ppp
[01:09] <FR500> where can i edit the file associations?
[01:09] <SiRrUs> good evening boys
[01:09] <aardvark> evening
[01:10] <LinuxJones> FR500, right click the file then open with other app
[01:11] <FR500> LinuxJones no other way? i'd like to see the whole list
[01:11] <tritium> There needs to be a warning in the topic about hard-freezes with the new 2.6.10-4 kernel
[01:11] <LinuxJones> FR500, not that i know of
[01:11] <FR500> ok
[01:11] <piratePenguin> LinuxJones: thanks
[01:12] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, :)
[01:12] <viper12> tritium.......two fixes for the kernel panic with 10-4..........add 'noinotify' to grub 10-4 boot command, or boot with 10-3
[01:12] <FR500> i want to make a script to install beep skins with a double click, any ideas
[01:12] <FR500> i was gonna use sh
[01:12] <viper12> and yer right about that.....there's a mention of it in the hoary forums, but it should be stickied and or fixed like asap.
[01:12] <tritium> viper12, yeah.  I did the latter.  Thanks for the other fix.
[01:12] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, you might be in a catch 22 situation, it doesn't seem to be installed by default for some odd reason.
[01:13] <viper12> :)
[01:13] <FR500> but i dont know how to get the selected file filename
[01:13] <kingsley_> Can scp read stdin?
[01:13] <tritium> doesn't gamin need inotify?
[01:13] <viper12> apparently.........not. lol
[01:13] <tritium> heh
[01:13] <viper12> it DEFINITELY don't need it in the 10-4 kernel, thats for sure. :D
[01:14] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, network-admin has some stuff for modems as well
[01:14] <tritium> So you're using the first fix ;)
[01:14] <piratePenguin> LinuxJones: I've downloaded the source and will try compiling it
[01:14] <viper12> from what I've been reading, the 'bugzilla guys are goin' nuts over this one atm.  and yeah, i added the noinotify because I picked today to upgrade a warty box to hoary......and didn't HAVE the 10-3 kernell.
[01:15] <viper12> and with nvidia, and such already in place, didn't want to recompile by hand.
[01:15] <tritium> Yeah.
[01:15] <viper12> and the noi bit works just fine.
[01:15] <tritium> good deal
[01:15] <viper12> yeah, but seems to me to be a temp fix...they need to get the issue resolved.
[01:15] <tritium> of course
[01:16] <viper12> of course, if we were talking 'debian' and not ubuntu.......it'd be time to switch distros cause the fix would happen in oh, about a year.  snicker.
[01:18] <tritium> Well, thanks viper12.  I'm going to get back to work.
[01:24] <Snipper_> hey, anyone know how to do a remote connect?
[01:25] <PacoBCN> what do you mean?
[01:25] <dud> Snipper_, ssh, vnc, xsession, ftp, http, smb?
[01:25] <PacoBCN> via ssh?
[01:25] <Snipper_> i want to connect to his desktop so i can help him set up linux
[01:26] <Snipper_> erm well he has kde and i have gnome
[01:26] <PacoBCN> you want to "see" his desktop?
[01:26] <dstevens> Hi all im a newbie to Asterisk, problem is, asterisk -vvvc returns Illegal instruction, but there is a pid file in /var/run/
[01:26] <PacoBCN> or through his console?
[01:27] <PacoBCN> ?
[01:28] <Snipper_> erm yes PacoBCN
[01:28] <Snipper_> like on windows
[01:28] <Snipper_> he is in gnome now also
[01:28] <PacoBCN> then you need vnc
[01:29] <dstevens> Opps sorry wrong tab.
[01:29] <Snipper_> PacoBCN ok, i should download vnc
[01:29] <PacoBCN> wait, you're in windows?
[01:29] <PacoBCN> and he's in Ubuntu?
[01:30] <Snipper_> no sorru
[01:30] <Snipper_> sorry, im in gnome, and he is in gnome
[01:30] <PacoBCN> well, VNC is suitable anyway :D
[01:31] <Snipper_> ah
[01:31] <Snipper_> so i download vnc
[01:31] <PacoBCN> you should already be able to connect
[01:32] <PacoBCN> Applications -> Internet -> Server Terminal Client
[01:32] <PacoBCN> Or something like this
[01:32] <PacoBCN> at least in hoary ;)
[01:32] <Snipper_> i dont see that
[01:32] <Snipper_> is there a command i can run or package i can download
[01:32] <goldfish_> IT is in warty
[01:32] <goldfish_> aswell
[01:32] <Snipper_> im on fc3
[01:33] <Underlord> whats a command line tool that i can use to play an ogg vorbis file or wav file through alsa that wont try to make a gui?
[01:34] <andrewski> Underlord: mpg321, ogg123
[01:34] <PacoBCN> Sniper, I was pretty sure there was a viewer for vnc even in warty
[01:34] <Underlord> ahh
[01:37] <Snipper_> PacoBCN i run Fedora Core 3 sorry
[01:37] <goldfish_> lol
[01:42] <Underlord> andrewski: ogg123 is complaining that i dont have libFLAC.so.4 and refusing to play (regardless of me never having used a flac in my life and not trying to now), and if i try to install it in synaptic it says that it needs to remove a heap of other stuff, some compleetly unrelated, which i cant remove
[01:43] <andrewski> does hoary tarball /dev at shutdown/reboot?
[01:43] <andrewski> Underlord: so don't use it. :)
[01:43] <dud> hoary uses a dynamic dev structure...
[01:43] <Underlord> so what do i use to play my oggs?
[01:43] <andrewski> Underlord: i have no experience with oggs or flacs, so i can't help you; sorry.
[01:44] <dud> Underlord, xmms has support for both
[01:44] <Underlord> you should, ogg vorbis is a great format
[01:44] <Underlord> xmms isnt command line
[01:44] <Jet2k5> Hello all
[01:44] <dud> true...
[01:44] <Jet2k5> did anyone here use that one link to install java?
[01:44] <hawke> Underlord: You'll probably have to solve your libflac problem
[01:44] <Jet2k5> err this guy had some server
[01:44] <andrewski> Underlord: probably, but i'd rather not convert my music collection from mp3s....
[01:44] <Jet2k5> all you did was apt-get java
[01:44] <hawke> Underlord: I fixed it here, but I can't remember what I did.
[01:44] <Nermal> Underlord, ogg123 ?
[01:45] <Underlord> andrewski, ofcource not, that would be stupid, but try and obtain new music in vorbis and check it out
[01:45] <Underlord> i just tried ogg123, it doesnt work because it depends on libflac.so.4, which i cant install because dependencies with an incompatable version
[01:45] <andrewski> Underlord: well, as it is now, i don't have to have two different libraries/players floating around... :)
[01:45] <Nermal> Underlord, ah
[01:47] <Elsidox> can anyone help me im trying to play a wmv file
[01:47] <Underlord> Elsidox, microsoft could
[01:48] <Elsidox> Underlord, if you know someone in here who works for them tell me
[01:48] <Underlord> i dont
[01:48] <Elsidox> exactly
[01:48] <Elsidox> anyways
[01:48] <Elsidox> can anyone help?
[01:49] <andrewski> Elsidox: which programs have you already tried?
[01:49] <Underlord> all you need to do (afaik) is get the windows wmv drivers and put them in your w32 codec directory, then use a media application that supports windows codecs
[01:50] <Underlord> or you could use something like mplayer which i think has built in support for wmv, but its very buggy
[01:50] <hawke> The package 'w32codecs' from marillat will do the job as well
[01:50] <hawke> I believe
[01:50] <Elsidox> andrewski, totem and mplayer. Mplayer freezes and totem gives me a no plugin error.
[01:50] <andrewski> Elsidox: xine?
[01:50] <Elsidox> andrewski, huh
[01:50] <andrewski> Elsidox: xine is a program.
[01:51] <zenrox_> gxine
[01:51] <Elsidox> andrewski, hmmm ill give it a shot. Thanks
[01:51] <Elsidox> andrewski, i installed totem xine. and it works great
[01:52] <Elsidox> andrewski, thx!
[01:52] <andrewski> Elsidox: great!
[01:53] <Elsidox> andrewski, one more thing if you have time?
[01:53] <andrewski> Elsidox: ask everyone; i'll help if i can. :P
[01:54] <Elsidox> k =)
[01:54] <Elsidox> im having werid issuses with mp3s. Beep media player plays them fien but it freezes than plays the mp3s after a little while. Rhythmbox wont even play mp3s
[01:55] <andrewski> Elsidox: to play them in rhythmbox, you need gstreamer-mad, IIRC.  i'd recommend mpd just hands-down.
[01:55] <lunitik> Elsidox: for Rhythmbox... you need to 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad' after activating Universe
[01:55] <andrewski> Elsidox: and, for the record, i got away from xmms/bmp just as quickly as i could; i've not had good experiences from either.
[01:55] <linuxn00b> where is /etc/sysconfig/network/ I don't seem to have one :-/
[01:56] <Elsidox> gstreamer0.8-mad is already installed
[01:56] <Elsidox> andrewski, mpd?
[01:56] <andrewski> Elsidox: music player daemon, www.musicpd.org, available in universe. :D
[01:56] <andrewski> Elsidox: specifically, if you use gnome, you'll want to check out gmpc as a frontend... if you get that far. :)
[01:57] <arzajac> linuxn00b:  /etc/network/interfaces
[01:57] <lunitik> andrewski: why recommend against gstreamer? gstreamer is the future of mutlimedia on Linux right now, but to advance, it needs use
[01:57] <Elsidox> andrewski, ill check it out
[01:57] <Jet2k5> hello, lol I'm back again, can someone please tell me an easier way to install java?
[01:57] <Jet2k5> http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[01:58] <Jet2k5> that's all I've been able to find, but there is a lot of stuff that you have to leave out
[01:58] <zenrox> Jet2k5, www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:58] <zenrox> look thare
[01:58] <linuxn00b> arzajac, cd: /etc/network/interfaces: Not a directory :(
[01:58] <Jet2k5> ty
[01:58] <andrewski> lunitik: because i prefer mpd.
[01:58] <lunitik> linuxboy: umm... cuz its a file
[01:58] <zenrox> Jet2k5, its much easer just copy and paste
[01:58] <arzajac> /etc/network and interfaces is the config file.  This is debian.
[01:59] <lunitik> andrewski: any technical reasoning?
[01:59] <Jet2k5> zenrox: thank you, it has LimeWire which is what I want to install
[01:59] <Jet2k5> man Ubuntu is really great, it's the first linux distro to make my ipod work :)
[01:59] <andrewski> lunitik: it's nice to have my music playing as a daemon.
[01:59] <Elsidox> anyone know a good p2p app fot linux?
[01:59] <Jet2k5> congrats to the developers
[01:59] <linuxn00b> arzajac, this is what i'm suppose to be looking for ifcfg-br0
[01:59] <linuxn00b> i'm following this guide http://www.shorewall.net/bridge.html
[01:59] <zenrox> Jet2k5,  n/p any time
[01:59] <Elsidox> or is there anything like soulseek for linux?
[02:00] <lunitik> andrewski: umm... ever heard of flumotion?
[02:00] <andrewski> lunitik: no... what's it?
[02:00] <lunitik> andrewski: gstreamer based media streamer... basically just what you said
[02:00] <andrewski> lunitik: hmm...
[02:00] <andrewski> i'll have to check it out.
[02:01] <lunitik> andrewski: http://www.flumotion.net/
[02:01] <moyogo> Elsidox: bittorrent or mldonkey
[02:02] <Elsidox> moyogo, i alread use bittorrent and ill check out mldonkey. Thx
[02:02] <lunitik> andrewski: any more technical reasons?
[02:03] <arzajac> linuxn00b:  Just configure your device for dhcp.  apt-get install etherconf (or dpkg-reconfigure etherconf)
[02:04] <andrewski> lunitik: well, it's nice not to need gstreamer, but i have it at present anyway.  (i didn't when i used gentoo.)
[02:04] <lunitik> andrewski: gstreamer is the future, get used to it
[02:05] <andrewski> lunitik: uh, right.  maybe you could sound less argumentative?
[02:05] <lunitik> andrewski: I'm not arguing, I'm stating facts...
[02:05] <andrewski> lunitik: oh, ok.
[02:05] <Nermal> lunitik, an IMHO would go a long way ;)
[02:05] <Feiten> Does anyone know about any god dj programs, for streaming to a shoutcast server. The xmms plugin, does not work for me :s
[02:05] <Nermal> icecast ?
[02:06] <lunitik> Nermal: eh... its not my opinion though, its freedesktop.org's opinion...
[02:06] <Nermal> lunitik, must be true then
[02:06] <lunitik> Nermal: I'd say so...
[02:06] <Nermal> flying cars are also the future btw
[02:06] <Feiten> Nermal, is that a dj program?
[02:06] <Nermal> define "dj program"
[02:06] <goldfish_> lol
[02:06] <Feiten> A program i can use to stream music to a shoutcast server Nermal
[02:06] <Nermal> oh
[02:06] <delltony> hi anyone here use i8kutilies for a dell lappy?
[02:07] <Nermal> _to_ a shoutcast server.. hmm
[02:07] <linuxn00b> arzajac, I already have internet, but I can't find ifcfg-br0 which is what I need.
[02:07] <lunitik> Feiten: icecast or flumotion are nice
[02:07] <Feiten> lunitik, ok thanks
[02:07] <lunitik> Feiten: icecast = shoutcast server...
[02:07] <lunitik> Feiten: you can find it on www.xiph.org
[02:08] <Ainvar> if I wanted to delete the current data from the respositories where would I look
[02:08] <lunitik> Ainvar: /var/cache/apt
[02:08] <andrewski> lunitik: how can i start using flumotion?  is there a frontend or something?
[02:09] <lunitik> Ainvar: you probably just want 'apt-get clean' though
[02:09] <Ainvar> thanks lunitik
[02:09] <lunitik> andrewski: yes, there is... no idea what its called though  :/
[02:09] <lunitik> andrewski: hold on
[02:09] <andrewski> lunitik: ok, i'm taking your word for it that this is worth my time. ;)
[02:10] <Ainvar> ok now I am even more lost
[02:11] <Ainvar> I looked in there and there is a lot of stuff. My issue I am having is when I try and update with apt-get I get some errors updating from a few of the repos. So I want to remove it all and start over
[02:11] <linuxn00b> haha I think I solved my prob hihihi
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[02:11] <goldfish_> em....
[02:11] <goldfish_> that is mature
[02:12] <sillytony> therefor Ubuntu sucks
[02:12] <lunitik> andrewski: actually... it comes with one... which makes sense, cuz its being financed by Imendio
[02:12] <Br34ch> Very mature
[02:12] <Ainvar> what a tard, he is just angry cause he touches himself at night
[02:13] <delltony> i see aol has another member :p
[02:13] <andrewski> lunitik: what's the executable?
[02:13] <goldfish_> sillytony: go home.
[02:13] <goldfish_> sillytony: No place for that in here.
[02:13] <Br34ch> He has gone home..
[02:13] <sillytony>  3oF] @py_j,;k5<WFuQJ9-t+*LO] pAT<z'WHUp=z7w[x1
[02:13] <goldfish_> ffs
[02:13] <sillytony> what is that mean
[02:13] <Br34ch> Oh, woah
[02:13] <goldfish_> ban him
[02:13] <sillytony> some one sent tha to me
[02:13] <sillytony> I dont know what it means
[02:13] <Nermal> sillytony, do be quiet
[02:13] <goldfish_> it means you are gay
[02:13] <sillytony> Bascule sent it to me
[02:13] <goldfish_> sillytony: it is a virus
[02:13] <goldfish_> turn off your computer now
[02:13] <goldfish_> quickly
[02:13] <Ainvar> alt+f4
[02:14] <Nermal> goldfish_, don't feed him :)
[02:14] <lunitik> andrewski: umm... dpkg -L flumotion
[02:14] <bob2> er
[02:14] <bob2> sillytony: are you done?
[02:14] <jba>  /ignore sillytony
[02:14] <Nermal> aye :)
[02:14] <goldfish_> The name fits perfectly tony.
[02:14] <Nermal> "twat" would fit even better
[02:14] <Ainvar> so in /vat/cache/apt/ what all do I delete to start from scratch in pulling down the updated lists from the repos?
[02:14] <Nermal> but there we go :)
[02:15] <bob2> Ainvar: er, you don't need to do that
[02:15] <Ainvar> ok
[02:15] <noone> ban Bascule not silly Tony
[02:15] <noone> he sent tha thing to me
[02:15] <Ainvar> when I do an apt-get update I am getting an error
[02:15] <noone> I had to swtich machines
[02:15] <noone> that wierd code
[02:15] <bob2> Ainvar: paste it to #flood
[02:15] <noone> I have no idea was it is
[02:15] <noone> but someone here said it was a virus
[02:15] <goldfish_> I was joking.
[02:15] <noone> then what the fuck was it
[02:15] <Ainvar> ok
[02:15] <noone> that was just wierd
[02:16] <bob2> do not paste things in here again
[02:16] <bob2> thanks
[02:16] <httpdss> the latest kernel on hoary is making my pc freeze .. its a gamin prob .. any idea how to solve it ??
[02:16] <lunitik> bob2: you're not an op?
[02:16] <bob2> I am
[02:17] <aoede> Hi!  I was just wondering if someone can tell me how I can find out what version of Alsa I am running
[02:17] <andrewski> lunitik: does flumotion only work on streams?
[02:17] <lunitik> bob2: thought so... why isn't he gone yet? he's not going to say anything useful.... at least +q so he can't have any fun...
[02:17] <aoede> I'm using Hoary, 2.6.10 kernel...
[02:17] <bob2> httpdss: that came up on the list in the past week or so
[02:17] <lunitik> andrewski: yes... its a Streaming Server... Rhythmbox and Totem would be the clients...
[02:18] <Xenguy> lunitik: just use /ignore -replies
[02:18] <pvh> I just installed a DVD burner in my computer and it didn't show up in the "Computer" menu.
[02:18] <pvh> How can I get Ubuntu to detect it?
[02:18] <andrewski> lunitik: so how would i use flumotion to play mp3s?
[02:18] <lunitik> andrewski: why would you use a server to play mp3's?
[02:19] <andrewski> lunitik: ah, lol.  i wondered.  mpd does that, so that if i exit X/switch users/etc., my music still plays. :D
[02:19] <noone> <lunitik Fine advocate of Freedom of speech you are, your from one of those socialized Eurotrash nations no?
[02:19] <httpdss> bob2: this problem occured for the first time today when y did a dist-upgrade ... yesterday i did one too, and nothing happened
[02:19] <TongMaster> Anyone know if the hoary team are aware of brokeness in the latest K7 kernel and in firefox?
[02:19] <bob2> noone: enough
[02:19] <noone> sorry
[02:19] <noone> just saying
[02:19] <jba> httpdss, noinotify to kernel will work around it
[02:20] <httpdss> jba: ok, thx
[02:20] <Ainvar> bob2, I pasted in #flood like you asked
[02:20] <noone> #flood
[02:20] <Nermal> noone, and you'd be from where ? america?
[02:20] <bob2> Ainvar: wow
[02:20] <Ainvar> if I do an apt-get update again I dont get that error, but I am not sure what is causing it
[02:20] <bob2> Nermal: noone is trolling, please ignore it
[02:20] <Nermal> ah :)
[02:20] <bob2> Ainvar: that's quite an amazing error
[02:21] <lunitik> noone: I do not have the freedom of speech to state my argument?
[02:21] <bob2> lunitik: please?
[02:21] <noone> you do, but your arguement is to limit spech
[02:21] <noone> speech
[02:21] <bob2> noone: stop.
[02:21] <bob2> no more warnings.
[02:21] <thoreauputic> /ignore noone
[02:21] <Nermal> hmm. .don't think I will upgrade my kernel just yet then :)
[02:21] <Nermal> seeing as people are reporting breakage
[02:22] <Nermal> I wonder why beagle isn't in hoary yet
[02:22] <bob2> heh, just don't reboot ;)
[02:22] <shock> hello
[02:22] <Chipzz> a bit off-topic, but does anyone know of a firefox plugin or extension that can log HTTPS connections?
[02:22] <httpdss> its the 10-4
[02:22] <Nermal> all the deps are, apart from the latest dbus stuff :(
[02:22] <aoede> :( no replies to my question...well how about if anyone knows where i can get sound to work on Ubuntu?  I'm using onboard C-Media 9880....
[02:22] <Nermal> is it just the K7 kernel ?
[02:22] <bob2> Chipzz: tcpdump
[02:22] <Chipzz> aoede: modprobe snd_cmipci?
[02:23] <aoede> i'll try it. thank you!
[02:23] <Nermal> or is it snd-cmipci?
[02:23] <Chipzz> bob2: I want the actual http data; tcpdata only gives you the encrypted data
[02:23] <Chipzz> I tried ethereal
[02:23] <noone> I am writing a great paper of Freedom of speech bob2, you are helping me, by banning me I win, I am making the arguement, that the So called freesoftware movement, is actaully more like National socialism than a holistic movement for social good, and your blatant censorship proves it, youll just be another notch my statistics
[02:23] <noone> so do it
[02:23] <httpdss> nermal: im using 686 2.6.10-4 and have probs ...
[02:23] <noone> prove me right
[02:23] <noone> LOL
[02:23] <andrewski> lunitik: well, i guess flumotion is not for me; i don't use any streams.
[02:23] <Nermal> noone, oh do be quiet
[02:23] <goldfish_> hehe
[02:23] <pvh> Hurray!
[02:23] <aoede> I got a whole bunch of errors --> error inserting ...
[02:23] <thoreauputic> bravo
[02:24] <Ainvar> bob2, so was the jesus christ to what I pasted
[02:24] <Ainvar> or was it that it was a lot of pasting?
[02:24] <bob2> httpdss: adding the kernel paramter "noinotify" should work around it for now
[02:24] <bob2> Ainvar: oh, the error is bizarre
[02:24] <Ainvar> ahh ok
[02:24] <Nermal> httpdss, :(
[02:24] <bob2> Ainvar: I couldn't even imagine how it could happen
[02:24] <noone> that was effective
[02:24] <Ainvar> hehe
[02:24] <Ainvar> I did do a dist-upgrade from warty to hoary
[02:24] <andrewski> bob2: let the folks know in #freenode
[02:24] <pvh> Yeah, I don't even have a "/dev/dvd"... How can I get Ubuntu to create one?
[02:24] <bob2> noone: please read the troll howto at least
[02:24] <bob2> noone: this effort is pretty pathetic
[02:24] <Ainvar> pvh, check out the unofficial guide
[02:24] <bob2> andrewski: about noone?
[02:25] <Nermal> pvh, ln -s /dev/hd<whatever> /dev/dvd ?
[02:25] <Ainvar> it has that and a lot of other cool tidbits for ubuntu
[02:25] <andrewski> bob2: yeah.
[02:25] <pvh> Nermal: It isn't some kind of /dev/cdrom1?
[02:25] <bob2> andrewski: meh, they don't kline trolls usually
[02:25] <andrewski> bob2: oh.
[02:25] <noone> That is the great thing, I am not trolling, I have said nothing that was evil remotely vulgar, was it in disagreement with you yes, was it fundementally wrong, NOpe
[02:26] <noone> so this is great
[02:26] <Nermal> noone, you are just blathering on about crap.
[02:26] <pvh> Nermal: Thanks!
[02:26] <Nermal> pvh, usually hdc or hdd
[02:26] <noone> about that fact that your movement is fruitless, you dont believe in freedom of speech at all
[02:26] <noone> without that
[02:26] <noone> you have nothing
[02:26] <Nermal> I believe in shutting the fuck up
[02:26] <Nermal> :)
[02:26] <noone> but a bunch of software that costs nothing
[02:26] <Ainvar> haha
[02:27] <thoreauputic> socialistic Eurotrash -- hehe - I'm back in the era of McCarthy suddenly
[02:27] <Pluk> lol godwins law again
[02:27] <Nermal> tomboy is nice
[02:27] <aoede> *shrugs* he's gone now, and i have to wait another few weeks/months before sound is supported.
[02:27] <Nermal> the icon kind of freaks me out.... tintins head on my toolbar
[02:27] <Ainvar> that guy was a complete wasted result from his parents sexual activity
[02:28] <lunitik> bob2: +q *!sillytony@* instread... else he will just come back with a diff username
[02:28] <bob2> oh, I know
[02:28] <lunitik> instead*
[02:29] <Nermal> s/username/nickname
[02:29] <Nermal> httpdss, better ? :)
[02:29] <Ainvar> man I can not wait till my dell I8600 gets here
[02:29] <macewan> upgraded to hoary - nice ass desktop environment :)
[02:29] <Ainvar> gonna put ubuntu on that bad boy
[02:29] <Ainvar> along with winxp for gaming
[02:29] <Nermal> macewan, aye.. it's like gentoo. without the compiling :D
[02:30] <macewan> or lame ass logo
[02:30] <macewan> ;)
[02:30] <Nermal> newer gnome too :)
[02:30] <Ainvar> yes Ubuntu is very very nice
[02:30] <andrewski> Nermal: or extensive available packages... i'm jus' sayin'.
[02:30] <Ainvar> makes me like linux all over again
[02:30] <Pluk> .me is currently installing gentoo
[02:30] <aoede> it's awesome! especially when i can't hear anything!  okay, i'm bitter, sorry :(
[02:30] <Nermal> andrewski, tbh.. both gentoo and ubuntu have all the packages I want
[02:30] <Ainvar> and I think this is the longest I have had linux on a system that I did not constantly reformat to try a diffrent distro
[02:30] <Pluk> tripple booting wind*kough* ubuntu and gentoo
[02:30] <httpdss> kernel problem solved thx ..
[02:30] <darmou> is there a gui to add new users or should I just use adduser?
[02:30] <lunitik> Pluk: won't be done till Friday  \o/
[02:30] <bob2> andrewski: hrm? ubuntu has more available packages than gentoo
[02:31] <Nermal> aoede, hmm... no kernel module listed for that card ?
[02:31] <andrewski> Nermal: yeah, most of the ones i want, but not all, and i have no idea how to make packages....
[02:31] <Pluk> :D busy with X now
[02:31] <andrewski> bob2: oh, well, not all the ones i want. :D
[02:31] <aoede> I don't believe so.  How can I make sure Nermal
[02:31] <Pluk> i want to make a clean comparison
[02:31] <bob2> andrewski: e.g.?
[02:31] <Ainvar> I remember gentoo
[02:31] <Ainvar> I love the update system and global flags
[02:31] <Ainvar> but the compiling
[02:31] <andrewski> bob2: ncmpc, i just looked for it today.
[02:31] <Ainvar> sheesh
[02:31] <bob2> andrewski: url?
[02:31] <lunitik> Ainvar: it was the last great hype
[02:31] <stephenb> Hi Guys, i have a fresh ubintu install, and i must say its really nice :) but i have a problem ... i want to start Synaptic to see what tools are installed, can be updatet.. so i start the tool. but after the password entry synatpic dosnt start :(  ? someone have a reason ?
[02:32] <andrewski> bob2: and don't get me wrong, i still have gentoo on my system, but haven't gone back since switching to ubuntu. :)
[02:32] <lunitik> stephenb: you typed your password?
[02:32] <httpdss> stephanb: wrong pass ..
[02:32] <Ainvar> lunitik, haha yeah it was
[02:32] <macewan> hrm, gnome is more responsive
[02:32] <andrewski> bob2: http://www.musicpd.org/ncmpc.shtml
[02:32] <Nermal> aoede, what are your "bunch of errors" ?
[02:32] <Ainvar> the compiling for days on end even on a highh end system kinda killed it for me and for me *I* did not see a diffrence in speed
[02:33] <stephenb> lunitik: yes the password for my user ... ubuntu dosent have a root ... form start ... must i set a root pw ?
[02:33] <andrewski> bob2: do you know how to make packages for ubuntu?
[02:33] <Pluk> even on ubuntu i started compiling more and more apps
[02:33] <aoede> Error inserting soundcore (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/kernel/sound/soundcore.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:33] <aoede> that would be one of them =p
[02:33] <Pluk> so now gonna check gentoo  :)
[02:33] <bob2> andrewski: yeah
[02:33] <Nermal> aoede, you need to sudo it
[02:33] <lunitik> stephenb: wouldn't do much good if you did... Synaptic starts via 'gksudo synaptic'  ;)
[02:33] <aoede> okay, lemme try that.  Thanks Nermal
[02:33] <andrewski> bob2: is there a good howto?
[02:33] <Pluk> i started learning linux with gen too though dual p2-400 ... 48 hours to have kde
[02:34] <Nermal> Pluk, aye... all that pain to end up with something like kde :(
[02:34] <andrewski> Pluk: why did you compile on ubuntu?
[02:34] <Ainvar> Pluk,  hehe
[02:34] <bob2> andrewski: www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide
[02:34] <andrewski> bob2: ok, thanks.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> andrewski: quick and dirty way is to install checkinstall (but that is only to make packages locally that dpkg can uninstall, I guess)
[02:34] <Ainvar> was cool the first few times learning gentoo watching it compile everything with no errors but when that system was not usable for almost 2 weeks getting everything setup on it when I got home from work kinda killed it for me
[02:34] <andrewski> bob2: so, in raw numbers, ubuntu has more packages than gentoo?
[02:35] <Pluk> ubuntu doesnt have everything in its repos and some apps are broken
[02:35] <Pluk> and i like a patched kernel
[02:35] <Pluk> with hibernate
[02:35] <Ainvar> I wish the repos I got from the forums would have the latest gaim
[02:35] <stephenb> lunitik: when i try to start it per sudo this come up in the consol : steve-u is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[02:36] <error_29> has anyone used Libranet?  The free, older version?
[02:36] <Pluk> hehe what did i knew these days... havent seen gnome ever before
[02:36] <bob2> andrewski: yes
[02:36] <lunitik> stephenb: ahh... you are using the user you created at install time? cuz if so, thats bad
[02:36] <Pluk> so kde was kinda the normal thing
[02:36] <aoede> Nermal, I sudoed it, and I got no errors.  However, when I run xmms and alsamixer I still get error messages saying that I don't have a soundcard or
[02:36] <aoede> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[02:36] <Pluk> eyeopener the 1st time i dated gnome
[02:36] <bob2> Pluk: the kernel in ubuntu includes a lot of patches
[02:36] <lunitik> stephenb: easily fixed though... boot into rescue mode, and add yourself to /etc/sudoers
[02:36] <thoreauputic> stephenb: this is the first (default) user?
[02:36] <Pluk> bob2, software suspend 2
[02:36] <bob2> Pluk: what does swsusp 2 offer over swsusp 1?
[02:36] <andrewski> ok, i should be going now.  good night all!
[02:37] <bob2> andrewski: 'night.
[02:37] <Ainvar> night andrewski
[02:37] <Pluk> decent hibernation on my laptop :)
[02:37] <bob2> Pluk: if the hoary kernel doesn't support your system, please file a bug
[02:37] <stephenb> lunitik: oh i think a have a reason :D i added a new user why the install user / steve /  link at the homedir form my debian install  /home/steve   and ubuntu take the desktops settings form the .. thats why a made i new user calls > steve-u
[02:37] <bob2> Pluk: it should do swsusp on all hardware now
[02:38] <thoreauputic> stephenb: visudo to add the user
[02:38] <Nermal> aoede, :(
[02:38] <aoede> it's okay Nermal.  Thanks for trying to help me.  It's refreshing after working on finding a solution for 3 days.
[02:38] <Pluk> hmm then ill start bugfiling then :)
[02:39] <aoede> I'm suspecting that the kernel, or alsa has not come out with a driver to support the sound thing that's on my motherboard yet, so I'll have to wait.
[02:39] <thoreauputic> stephenb: also the second user is probably not in a lot of needed groups (audio etc)
[02:39] <bob2> Pluk: assuming you mean swsusp, not acpi suspend-to-disk
[02:39] <Pluk> suspend to disk yes
[02:39] <stephenb> kann i change the login  user at the console ? when i try exit to login at a new user the window close .
[02:39] <stephenb> kann = can :)
[02:40] <Nermal> aoede, tried booting with pci=noacpi ?
[02:40] <lunitik> stephenb: yes
[02:40] <aoede> Nermal: no I haven't.  Can you tell me how to do that?
[02:40] <Pluk> i always thought swsusp1 couldnt do sspend to disk
[02:40] <lunitik> stephenb: but you will still need to log out and back in for changes to take effect in GUI
[02:41] <stephenb> lunitik: the way is ?  logout not take an effect
[02:41] <lunitik> stephenb: ctrl+alt+f1...
[02:41] <Nermal> aoede, hit escape and then "e" at the grub boot screen
[02:41] <Nermal> go down to the kernel line and hit e again
[02:41] <Nermal> and then add pci=noacpi to the end
[02:42] <Nermal> hit enter and then b to boot it
[02:42] <Nermal> right.. bedtime
[02:42] <Nermal> nn
[02:42] <stephenb> lunitik: "autch" i forgot! i try it  at the desktop console ....  thx
[02:42] <bob2> Pluk: that's all it does
[02:44] <Pluk> ah ur right
[02:46] <JimBunder> What is a FTP client I can use with ubuntu, please note I'm a linux newbie
[02:46] <stephenb> lunitik: i go to tty1 and log in at the install user (steve), but when i try visudo, i get an visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied too!
[02:46] <stephenb> 
[02:46] <bob2> JimBunder: nautilus (the file manager) can
[02:47] <JimBunder> bob2, where do i use that
[02:47] <bob2> alt-f2 then type ftp://whatever/
[02:48] <JimBunder> thanks
[02:49] <thoreauputic> JimBunder: you can also install gftp with the package manager synaptic
[02:49] <darmou> does anyone know the zope port for ubuntu?
[02:49] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, I have a question about latency and filesystems.........
[02:50] <pauldaoust> darmou: oh boy, that's a good one. sorry, not me... I haven't got into Python yet
[02:50] <thoreauputic> JimBunder: gftp is in the universe repository, which can be enabled in synaptic
[02:50] <JimBunder> thanks thoreauputic
[02:51] <thoreauputic> np :)
[02:51] <pauldaoust> okay, here's my question: sometimes my load meter goes sky-high, and everything (even the mouse) freezes up like crazy. This happens most often when I'm running JACK proggies...
[02:51] <pauldaoust> I've heard some people say they have problems with JACK and ReiserFS causing latency problems... that sound familiar to anyone?
[02:52] <SiRrUs> hello guys
[02:53] <SiRrUs> anyone know if the 2.6.10-4-686 kernel works
[02:53] <Pluk> it works if you add noinotify to your kernel parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:54] <SiRrUs> where do you add that
[02:55] <Pluk> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.10-AMD64 root=/dev/sda7 ro console=tty0 quiet splash noinotify
[02:55] <Pluk> there
[02:56] <SiRrUs> ok lets try :)
[02:56] <SiRrUs> brb
[02:57] <_jon_> so i just upgraded to hoary and the new kernel and xorg broke my nvidia drivers
[02:57] <_jon_> anybody familiar with this?
[02:58] <alka_trash> hey all
[02:58] <thoreauputic> _jon_: it wasn't xorg - you have a new kernel that needs new drivers to be compatible I think
[02:58] <alka_trash> is hoary crapping out today?
[02:58] <alka_trash> I mean our the the new updates breaking things
[02:58] <_jon_> well i didn't say xorg was the problem, just that it might be involved
[02:59] <SiRrUs> thankyou seems to work great
[02:59] <_jon_> thoreauputic: i tried re-running the nvidia installer, but all i got was an error asking for kernel sources
[02:59] <thoreauputic> _jon_: I would expect your drivers would still work if you boot into the "old" kernal
[02:59] <Jet2k5> any one here using an ipod?
[03:00] <httpdss> someone should add the "noinotify stuff" to the topic
[03:00] <_jon_> thoreauputic: i tried that too, no luck, in the apt-get dist-upgrade something screwy happened
[03:00] <SiRrUs> yep probably
[03:00] <thoreauputic> _jon_: hmm
[03:00] <stephenb> lunitik: i added the user steve-u now to all groups ( first )! > lugout - login as steve - change groups for steve-u - logout - login as steve - but still the same no sudo... must i reboot for a effect ?
[03:00] <SiRrUs> what does noinotify do
[03:01] <thoreauputic> stephenb: visudo to add user to sudoers file
[03:02] <stephenb> i cant start visudo why steve and steve-u arent in the group sudo :( steve was the user i add by the install
[03:03] <thoreauputic> stephenb: how did you alter the users? have you created  a root password?
[03:04] <stephenb> and the install there was no option to set a root pw thoreauputic
[03:04] <thoreauputic> else how could you add groups and users without sudo?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> stephenb: that's right
[03:04] <thoreauputic> re no root user by default
[03:05] <httpdss> stephenb: use your default user password on sudo and gksudo ...
[03:05] <uytyug> I am having trouble installing azureus, any help?
[03:05] <Quest-Master> uytyug: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:05] <thoreauputic> stephenb: ah I see - su steve first then use sudo
[03:06] <thoreauputic> su is "switch user"
[03:06] <uytyug> I already went to the guide, I am a complete newb, just instaled today
[03:06] <thoreauputic> it will ask for steve's pass
[03:06] <stephenb> after i install ubuntu and see that the desktop von steve take the settings from the debian user steve " same homedir" i go to the loginshell and make adduser ... or was it susdo add user *hmm*, but i login as steve and take a look von the user and group settings and steve dont are a user of the group sudo
[03:07] <thoreauputic> stephenb: BTW the user shouldn't be in the group sudo anyway
[03:07] <thoreauputic> stephenb: visudo doesn't add the user to the "sudo" group but to the "sudoers file"
[03:08] <_jon_> to add to the sudo group you need vigr
[03:08] <stephenb> thoreauputic: thx a lot :) su steve visudo was the right why :)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> stephenb: OK - good :)
[03:09] <uytyug> im trying to install azureus, I download the file from their website, then what, the guide just confuses me.
[03:10] <lotusleaf> Will Ubuntu work okay on a 133Mhz laptop with a minimalistic WM like Fluxbox?
[03:10] <stephenb> thoreauputic: im in visudo now but i cant edit the file ... forgot an option ? like visudo -e ?
[03:11] <uytyug> any help?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> stephenb: :(   back out with :q!  then try  sudo -s to get a root shell, then do visudo again
[03:11] <stephenb> hmm at the man page there is no extra edit opton
[03:11] <stephenb> thoreauputic: i will try
[03:13] <biquillo> lotusleaf, i think yes, but you couldnt get real desktop functionallity :P
[03:13] <apache119> help me install azureus!Please!
[03:14] <lotusleaf> biquillo: thx it would work ok though in flux or some other minimal wm though right? :>
[03:14] <stephenb> thoreauputic: when i try > su -s steve  and than visudo i have no access
[03:14] <apache119> I need to download some more Linux distros to try them out
[03:14] <thoreauputic> sudo -s
[03:14] <apache119> in azureus!
[03:14] <thoreauputic> by itself - then steve's password
[03:14] <thoreauputic> then visudo
[03:15] <biquillo> yep, i recomend you xfce is lighter and very powerfull
[03:15] <lotusleaf> biquillo: thx, I appreciate it. ;)
[03:15] <biquillo> :)
[03:15] <stephenb> ah thx, a see now im root :)  btw the debian why is a bit easyier ..... there i can login as a root  :)
[03:15] <lotusleaf> Was installing Debian stable for a friend.. it's a hassle. ;D
[03:16] <_jon_> stephenb: you can in ubuntu as well, if you enable the root account
[03:16] <thoreauputic> stephenb: yes, but as you see, sudo -s has the same effect
[03:16] <thoreauputic> stephenb: if you *must* have a root user, type sudo passwd root and set your root password
[03:16] <apache119> why is it so hard in Lunux to install things/
[03:17] <apache119> Linux*
[03:17] <Pluk> whats hard about sudo apt-get install *
[03:17] <stephenb> hmm i still cant edit the file ... somethink a make wrong :(
[03:17] <thoreauputic> apache119: only some things :)
[03:17] <apache119> im new, I need help installing azureus, what the heck is a package!
[03:17] <AlohaWolf> is there a howto on how to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[03:18] <apache119> do I unzip the file I downloaded. is that the package
[03:18] <sulkd> erhm.. is this known: I just upgraded Hoary and after rebooting into the new kernel (2.6.10-4) the whole system crashed sometime during the jingle playing at gnome start.. then I rebooted into the older kernel, everything works, but the bottom panel had made a trip up snug to the top panel..
[03:19] <stephenb> thoreauputic: ... have it :)
[03:19] <BrianAnthony> does anyone in here use Cedega to play on Steam?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> apache119: it depends entirely on what you have downloaded and what its format is (for instance, source or binary, tar.gz or .zip etc)
[03:20] <sulkd> BrianAnthony, O_o I'd rather eat razorblade spiced apples than use Steam, let alone on my beautiful Linux system..
[03:20] <BrianAnthony> sulkd: Steam is directly derived form hell, I know. but I love Counter-Strike
[03:21] <apache119> this is what happens when I try to install azureus
[03:21] <apache119> this is what happens when I try to install azureus
[03:21] <apache119> john@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install [john/desktop/azureus] 
[03:21] <apache119> Password:
[03:21] <apache119> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:21] <apache119> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:21] <apache119> E: Regex compilation error - Invalid regular expression
[03:21] <BrianAnthony> whaaat is that
[03:21] <thoreauputic> apache119: umm - that's not how apt works
[03:21] <BrianAnthony> is that possible
[03:22] <BrianAnthony> dpkg?
[03:22] <Pluk> how about sudo apt-get install azureus
[03:22] <Pluk> or did you download azureus.deb or something?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> I doubt that azureus is in the repos
[03:22] <apache119> it says, couldnt find package azureus
[03:22] <BrianAnthony> apache119: no more drugs
[03:22] <apache119> funny
[03:22] <thoreauputic> azureus requires java, does it not?
[03:22] <mike_douglas> yup
[03:23] <cocol> apache119, http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:23] <apache119> I think
[03:23] <apache119> repos?
[03:23] <BrianAnthony> Do you have your universal sourcxes uncommented?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> apache119: go and read  ubuntuguide.org
[03:23] <SCottinOK> how can you install java?
[03:23] <apache119> it confuses me!
[03:23] <BrianAnthony> because you'll probably have to do that to get java2-common, I think
[03:23] <apache119> I dont know what the heck is the package in my azureus folder!
[03:23] <apache119> where is it
[03:23] <thoreauputic> apache119: of course, at the moment - it will become easier as you persevere
[03:24] <mike_douglas> I'm trying to setup a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit machine, but when I try to run a program with cedega I get a "can't exec" error
[03:24] <thoreauputic> apache119: for a start, you are missing vital components needed *before* you install it
[03:24] <apache119> I dont even know how to install anything
[03:24] <sulkd> BrianAnthony, tough luck :/ I remember original CS working nicely on Linux
[03:25] <apache119> I probably should go back to Mac OS X, but I want to learn Linux
[03:25] <thoreauputic> apache119: <cocol> apache119, http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:25] <BrianAnthony> Supposedly the newest version of Cedega handles it quite nicely
[03:25] <Pluk> mike_douglas, looks like IA32 emulation wasnt compiled in the kernel
[03:25] <thoreauputic> apache119: you need to read the link cocol and I suggested
[03:25] <BrianAnthony> but I have a mozilla plugin error
[03:25] <sulkd> BrianAnthony, if you get an account for cedega I'm sure they have tutorials
[03:25] <biquillo> anyone knows if nerim repositories works?
[03:25] <apache119> I already have but thanks
[03:26] <Pluk> mike_douglas, or ia32-libs isnt installed
[03:26] <sulkd> BrianAnthony, but, they said they supported doom3 nicely, but when I tried it last (december) it wasn't working
[03:26] <thoreauputic> apache119: also read the FAQ on ubuntulinux,org and any other info you can find there
[03:26] <Joan-Baez> hi!
[03:26] <Pluk> hi
[03:26] <pagefault> hehe use the doom3 binary for linux
[03:26] <Joan-Baez> i have installed ubuntu, but i dont have gcc and cant compile apps .. what can i do ? thanks
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: hi. Bring your guitar with you ? ;)
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:27] <Joan-Baez> thoreauputic why in ubuntu all must do with sudo ? ps: thanks a lot
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: no default root user: substitute sudo and your user password
[03:28] <mike_douglas> Pluk, ia32-libs is installed, and I can run other 32-bit programs. It's only the cd that is giving me trouble
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> understand
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> how can i say
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> to apt-get
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> to answer always yes ?
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> =)
[03:28] <Twiggy> Anybody else on hoary who's nautilus got royally borked with the latest update?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: not always a good move...
[03:30] <Joan-Baez> but
[03:30] <Joan-Baez> in this case
[03:30] <Joan-Baez> it is .. can you help me ? =)
[03:30] <bretzel> re-hi :-)
[03:31] <xyzzy_> Where do I read about making sound work? I have an SB Live.
[03:31] <bretzel> Twiggy: What happened to your Nautilus ???
[03:31] <sulkd> pagefault, they hadn't released that version back then :] 
[03:31] <Twiggy> bretzel:  Locks up everything
[03:31] <pagefault> sulkd, ahh :)
[03:32] <Twiggy> bretzel:  Gnome freezes as nautilus loads, Xfce froze when I tried to start naut, so did fluxbox
[03:32] <Xenguy> Joan-Baez: man apt-get
[03:32] <Twiggy> bretzel:  So I'm pretty sure naut is the problem ;oD
[03:32] <Pluk> i think gam_server but thats a wild guess
[03:32] <thor|coffee> Joan-Baez: use the -y flag
[03:33] <stephenb> thor|coffee: how to i save the file in vi, i have no plan form vi :|
[03:33] <Xenguy> stephenb: :w
[03:33] <Xenguy> stephenb: to write and quit -> ZZ
[03:33] <bretzel> mmm.. I use Hoary array-5  installation and apart from some other fixes I asked for , nautilus seems working graet without no probs... ( I would want to know which version )
[03:33] <stephenb> thx Xenguy i try save-file :!q  ... but no effect :( try :w :D
[03:34] <Joan-Baez> but i have installed gcc but now he report me failure because many library arent in ubuntu.. how can i emerge a Heavyfuelessential apt package for working with fuel ubuntu capability ?
[03:34] <stephenb> thx Xenguy :)
[03:34] <Xenguy> stephenb: yw.  (If you do -> :q! <- it quits without saving your changes!)
[03:34] <findme> Have all gentoo users migrated to ubuntu yet?
[03:35] <Joan-Baez> y
[03:35] <sulkd> findme, eek I hope not.. let the trolls stay in trollville
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: heh - I didn't understand most of that: enable universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list and use the build-dep option with apt-get
[03:35] <sulkd> hehe
[03:36] <Joan-Baez> thoreauputic thanks i will enable the all universe
[03:36] <AndyFitz> findme,   i dont think so . IME gentoo users have almost opposite needs than ubuntu users :P  such as ubuntu users arent suckers for punishment :)
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[03:36] <Pluk> lol whats with this geentoo <> ubuntu bashing
[03:36] <stephenb> yohooo :) it works thx to thoreauputic and Xenguy
[03:36] <Pluk> looks like a windows<>unix troll
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: many many options with apt-get
[03:37] <thoreauputic> stephenb: :-)
[03:37] <stephenb> now its time for coffee :)
[03:37] <AndyFitz> hey i use gentoo sometimes im alowed to poke fun at me
[03:37] <Pluk> :)
[03:37] <sulkd> Pluk, no bashing.. I just want `those people' to cross the tracks :P
[03:37] <aghdf> quiestion for all you ex-dedian people: do you miss anything?
[03:37] <Pluk> installing gentoo now just got into xfce :D finally
[03:38] <aghdf> *question
[03:38] <ark3_> How do I tell whether the os is trying to use my SBLive or the motherboard audio?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ex-debian? I'm both Ubuntu and Debian here :)
[03:38] <Pluk> gentoo>debian>ubuntu is my path
[03:38] <Pluk> now looking at gentoo again :P
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Pluk: slackware next!  *grin*
[03:39] <sulkd> Pluk, now now :] 
[03:39] <Pluk> lol
[03:39] <Pluk> dualbooting though cuz ubuntu works just fine
[03:39] <sulkd> Pluk, I'm sure you're not all bad.. you haven't talked about how more "intimate" gentoo users are with their software yet
[03:39] <StoffBox-Steve_C> at this time nothing aghdf.... but i love ubuntu why ! 1: the kernel 2.6* not crash my CPU like at debian 2: the x-server its from the begining top :D 1280x1024 at startup .. not 800x600 like debian :)=
[03:40] <Pluk> i think i will get kicked and banned if i tell how intimate i am with my software
[03:40] <Pluk> but being on ubuntu or gentoo makes no diff in that :)
[03:40] <DAC1138> wow, ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch
[03:40] <sulkd> Pluk, lol :] 
[03:40] <DAC1138> up form #3 yesterday
[03:41] <sulkd> that's funny, cause last I checked Ubuntu didn't have its own distro category on counter.li.org
[03:41] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: this too will pass ;)
[03:42] <sulkd> DAC1138, hrm? it's #5 according to mine eyes
[03:42] <StoffBox-Steve_C> i try to install gentoo stage 1  O3 -- today but the console crash and 3hours of compile --- that was args craps .....  Pluk
[03:42] <Pluk> hehe stage 1 here
[03:42] <thoreauputic> sulkd: the monthly figures have us a t #1 :)
[03:42] <Pluk> and it didnt booted...
[03:42] <sulkd> ic
[03:43] <StoffBox-Steve_C> so out for a coffee ---
[03:43] <thoreauputic> sulkd: not that it matters
[03:43] <Pluk> i screwed up grub.conf thank god
[03:43] <ark3_> So, umm, anyone? How do I make sound "go" on my SB Live?
[03:43] <cocol> ubuntu is #5
[03:43] <cocol> at distrowatch
[03:43] <thoreauputic> ark3_: modprobe sb  ?
[03:43] <Pluk> its #1 on last month
[03:45] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Okay... sudo modprobe emu10k1 seems to work, as in there's no error. What next?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> put it in /etc/modules  (assuming you hear cacophony when you do `cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp`
[03:46] <ark3_> thoreauputic: /dev/dsp: No such device
[03:47] <thoreauputic> ark3_: hoary?
[03:47] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Nor does hitting play in the "Sound Preferences" seem to do anything.
[03:47] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Warty.
[03:47] <thoreauputic> hmm
[03:48] <thoreauputic> I'm on warty  and cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp makes the expected whit noise...
[03:48] <thoreauputic> *white
[03:48] <ark3_> thoreauputic: I trust you mean cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp, right?
[03:49] <StoffBox-Steve>  :( no coffeemilk :(
[03:49] <thoreauputic> ark3_: either should work
[03:50] <ark3_> thoreauputic: If I don't put the redirect arrow in there, it just cats /dev/urandom to the screen, which is not fun...
[03:50] <AlohaWolf> thoreauputic, thats quite a soothing noise
[03:50] <thoreauputic> ark3_: maybe play with alsamixer and see if it's muted?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> ark3_: Ctrl-C to stop it
[03:50] <thoreauputic> ctrl-L to clear the screen
[03:51] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Hmm... Alsamixer is showing me the capture card... How do I tell it what device to use?
[03:51] <StoffBox-Steve> the Nvidia driver are @ Universe right ?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> ark3_: but I take your point ;)
[03:52] <thoreauputic> ark3_: hmmm - in debian I would run alsaconf - but it's deprecated in Ubuntu :(
[03:52] <ark3_> thoreauputic: What's the difference between emu10k1 (which I just modprobe'd) and snd_emu10k1 (which was already there)?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> ark3_: someone else might have some ideas
[03:53] <thoreauputic> ark3_: oss vs. alsa I think (but that's an educated guess, frankly - I don't know much about sound)
[03:54] <ark3_> Why is this so difficult? :(
[03:54] <thoreauputic> the alsa drivers all start with snd_ IIRC
[03:56] <hypa7ia> need some help with a hoary install... gnome is crashing on login. is this a known issue? if not, where in logs should i start looking?
[03:56] <ark3_> So a cat /dev/sndstat reveals that my SBLive is card 1... That gives me some clue.
[03:58] <BrianAnthony> does anyone know where the default firefox install directory is?
[03:58] <BrianAnthony> or where I would find the plugins
[03:58] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm need i Nvidia-glx ? or better what are there doing with Xfree ?
[03:59] <hypa7ia> BrianAnthony: if you install them as user, they are somewhere in /home/$you/.mozilla or .mozilla-firefox i think... where $you is your username
[03:59] <neonlightning> i know i should probly look on some of those links at the top but how do i go about installing jre there is a bin and rpm i've heard there were rpm to deb converters but haven't found one
[03:59] <hypa7ia> neonlightning: look in the guide, it's like 3 commands :-)
[03:59] <neonlightning> i figured i had to be that dence
[03:59] <hypa7ia> nah :-)
[04:00] <hypa7ia> there is an rpm->deb converter, it's called alien
[04:00] <hypa7ia> but you don't need it in this case
[04:00] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins I think
[04:00] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: that's what I'm looking for =)
[04:00] <BrianAnthony> thanks
[04:02] <hypa7ia> BrianAnthony: not if you installed them as a user tho
[04:02] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: re: gnome crash in hoary - it appears you are not alone
[04:02] <hypa7ia> tarnation
[04:02] <hypa7ia> s/cowboy/cowgirl
[04:03] <ark3_> So I turned up all the volume knobs on alsamixer; still no sound.
[04:03] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia:  sed awk groff  - as the console caveman says ;)
[04:04] <ark3_> Music Player freezes for a while, and then eventually says that it could not open resource for writing.
[04:04] <hypa7ia> lol thoreauputic
[04:04] <thoreauputic> ark3_: is your user in the audio group?
[04:05] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Hmm. groups?
[04:05] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Yup, it is.
[04:05] <thoreauputic> ark3_: type `id` or `groups`
[04:05] <thoreauputic> OK
[04:05] <mebaran151> hey
[04:06] <mebaran151> whenever I try to have totem play a file in /tmp
[04:06] <mebaran151> it complains it cant write to the resource
[04:06] <mebaran151> anyway to fix this problem
[04:06] <mebaran151> or is this one of those bugs I am going to have to code out
[04:06] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: any ideas on fixes, or where to look?
[04:06] <ark3_> What sort of files does totem play?
[04:06] <mebaran151> mp3
[04:06] <mebaran151> I dlled an mp3 of teddy roosevelt speaking
[04:06] <ark3_> Ah, thanks.
[04:07] <mebaran151> and it wont open it
[04:07] <neonlightning> ummmm hypa7ia, can i pm you something maby you can help me
[04:07] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: hmm - grep through the user mailoing list - it's been discussed if I remember correctly
[04:07] <StoffBox-Steve> Ctrl - alt - Backspace restart Xfree or only restart desktop ?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> *mailing
[04:08] <mebaran151> do I have to reboot to clear tmp
[04:08] <mebaran151> just curious
[04:08] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: both
[04:08] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: if you have gdm running that is
[04:08] <StoffBox-Steve> ok thx thoreauputic :) you are a great help :)
[04:09] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: will do so from work tomorrow.  thanks for the help :-)))
[04:10] <hypa7ia> actually one more q
[04:10] <StoffBox-Steve> ah thats totally fine :D nvidia works sound works :) 2.6* works ... now im happy :)
[04:10] <hypa7ia> is this an "every recent install is doing this" kinda thing, or a machine-specific one?
[04:10] <Chipzz> hmmm ok
[04:10] <Chipzz> I want to start a second X-server from X
[04:10] <ark3_> StoffBox-Steve: Did you happen to do anything specific to get sound to work?
[04:11] <Chipzz> when running X :1, it says: user not authorized
[04:11] <Chipzz> but when running the same command from the console, it does work
[04:11] <Chipzz> and no, I do NOT want to use Xnest
[04:11] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: there seem to be universal problems - I think some are related to the most recent kernel
[04:11] <hypa7ia> durn
[04:11] <Chipzz> I know what Xnest does and it is not what I want
[04:11] <thoreauputic> 2.6.10-4 ?
[04:12] <hypa7ia> perhaps i will wait before installing to my other box then :-/
[04:13] <StoffBox-Steve> no ark3_ i just restart my Xfree :) i never have a problem with my sound ( onboard AC97 Cmedia Virtual 6Channel ) :) on all system its works fine without doing somethink :)
[04:13] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: that's the one
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: you are up against the MIT magic cookie - have you tried the gdmflexiserver thing? Gives you a new login on a different tty
[04:13] <bob2> Chipzz: run it from a terminal
[04:14] <thoreauputic> if that's what you want
[04:14] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: I have unset XAUTHORITY
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: OK - you know about it :) Sorry
[04:14] <ark3_> StoffBox-Steve: Okay... Thanks anyway. I'd hoped for similar results with a normal card like an SBLive, but apparently something doesn't like me...
[04:14] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm how can i tell Nvidia that there is more than 1 CRT monitor  ? update the Xfree86Config or ?
[04:14] <Chipzz> bob2: not possible, it's started from within a script and that script runs from inside X
[04:14] <bob2> that script sounds broken
[04:14] <bob2> or you need to edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config or whatever it is
[04:15] <Chipzz> bob2: what I'm trying to do is start citrix ICA client on a second X-server when a user clicks on a shortcut
[04:15] <hypa7ia> which text-mode browser is it that has tabs and stuff?
[04:15] <hypa7ia> elinks?
[04:16] <ark3_> elinks does, as does links2
[04:16] <Chipzz> bob2: I have everything working except for the starting of the X-server
[04:16] <bob2> indeed
[04:17] <bob2> 13:14:55           bob2 | or you need to edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config or whatever it is
[04:17] <hypa7ia> links2! that was the one
[04:17] <Chipzz> currently it works, including switching to the other X-server
[04:17] <hypa7ia> thanks ark3_ :-)
[04:17] <Chipzz> only thing to get running is the starting of the 2nd X-server
[04:17] <ark3_> hypa7ia: Yup. :)
[04:18] <Chipzz> bob2: aha, exactly what I needed - thx :)
[04:19] <BTerer> how can i disable the automatic configuration of dns servers
[04:19] <BTerer> anyone?
[04:20] <ark3_> hypa7ia: Actually, judging by the screenshots, I think I'm wrong and it's just elinks.
[04:20] <bob2> wow
[04:20] <bob2> waiting a whole 2 minutes
[04:21] <awstott> how do you enable the root account?
[04:22] <ark3_> awstott: Give it a password: sudo passwd root
[04:22] <awstott> hmm
[04:23] <awstott> a friend is trying to install ubuntu and wants the root account.... he did a sudo something else and typed the wrong password... now it says access denied everytime he tries
[04:23] <bob2> that was silly, and a reason why having a root account is bad
[04:24] <ark3_> awstott: So you're saying that if he types "sudo ls" it asks for a password and always says access denied?
[04:25] <awstott> he's grouchy now.....
[04:25] <thoreauputic> awstott: heh - he can only blame himself, really
[04:25] <ark3_> So lsmod lists a bunch of modules; most of them are not in /etc/modules. How does the system decide what modules to load on boot?
[04:26] <awstott> I havn't had any probs with ubuntu
[04:26] <awstott> neither has one of my other classmates
[04:26] <andrewski> where can i get id3info?
[04:26] <awstott> only problem I have is installing it on my laptop :(
[04:26] <bob2> ark3_: hotplug does it
[04:26] <awstott> it hangs during install
[04:26] <mebaran151> ark3_, hotplug
[04:26] <mebaran151> also some of the initrd scipts load some modules
[04:26] <mebaran151> modules also are loaded by dependency
[04:27] <ark3_> Interesting. I recall that hotplug gets a few fatal errors modprobing stuff on startup. Is that normal?
[04:27] <mebaran151> ark3_, does your system work
[04:27] <neonlightning> what is the default root passwd or is that what awstott is asking about?
[04:27] <mebaran151> sometimes hotplug finds something you dont really have
[04:27] <mebaran151> it can get tricked
[04:27] <thoreauputic> neonlightning: there isn't one
[04:27] <mebaran151> not to hard to actually
[04:27] <ark3_> mebaran151: Well, it boots... But sound doesn't seem to work. SBLive on Warty.
[04:27] <mebaran151> ah
[04:27] <mebaran151> alot of people have that problem
[04:27] <mebaran151> I installed from array four
[04:28] <mebaran151> and had the same problem
[04:28] <mebaran151> it looks like a messed up library problem
[04:28] <mebaran151> what modules have you loaded
[04:28] <mebaran151> if worst comes to worst
[04:28] <mebaran151> and you have bandwidth to spare
[04:28] <ark3_> mebaran151: Well, a whole bunch...
[04:28] <mebaran151> dll a copy of like array 3 or 2
[04:28] <mebaran151> ark3_, tell me what has snd in fromt of it
[04:28] <mlambie> can anyone explain why I can't "sudo echo 600000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed" but I can if I "sudo su"?
[04:29] <mebaran151> like snd_emu10k1
[04:29] <ark3_> mebaran151: Something like lsmod | fgrep snd ?
[04:29] <andrewski> how do i tell which package provides a specific file?
[04:29] <ark3_> mebaran151: Where do I paste?
[04:29] <mebaran151> sure
[04:29] <mlambie> also, when i echo as root it changes the filesize to 0 from 4096
[04:29] <mebaran151> or just do a human search
[04:29] <mebaran151> heheh
[04:29] <mebaran151> I wonder if /join #flood works
[04:29] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:29] <thoreauputic> andrewski: install apt-file - or if the file is already installed, dpkg -S
[04:29] <mebaran151> paste it in #flood
[04:30] <mebaran151> ok
[04:30] <mebaran151> the modules load
[04:30] <mebaran151> like I said
[04:31] <mebaran151> I talked with a couple of the devs
[04:31] <mebaran151> had the same problem
[04:31] <mebaran151> they told me the easiest thing to do
[04:31] <andrewski> thoreauputic: thanks.
[04:31] <thoreauputic> andrewski: apt-cache show apt-file for a rundown on it
[04:31] <mebaran151> woudl be to backup whatever you have
[04:31] <mebaran151> wait
[04:31] <awstott> after my laptop scans for a cdrom it freeezes up
[04:31] <mebaran151> btw
[04:31] <mebaran151> what does your mixer show
[04:31] <ark3_> (which would be nothing, since I just installed...)
[04:31] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:31] <mebaran151> and just like usually an earlier install
[04:31] <ark3_> alsamixer -c 1 gives me the SBLive.
[04:31] <mebaran151> before you do as it is a pain in the ass
[04:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:32] <mebaran151> but like just check your levels
[04:32] <mebaran151> I had the same problem
[04:32] <mebaran151> I think it is a bug in how the initial folders are set up
[04:32] <mebaran151> or something like that
[04:32] <mebaran151> ALSA might get thrown wrong
[04:32] <ark3_> I turned all of them all the way up and made sure they're all not muted. Didn't seem to help.
[04:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:32] <mebaran151> you got the same problem
[04:33] <mebaran151> some device in the install gets messed up
[04:33] <mebaran151> they said
[04:33] <ark3_> Though I'm not sure why it's card 1... The tv tuner is card 0 for some reason.
[04:33] <mebaran151> oh
[04:33] <mebaran151> OH
[04:33] <mebaran151> I AM SUCH AN IDIOT
[04:33] <ark3_> (that's the bt_87x)
[04:33] <mebaran151> it must have been routing to my on board sound
[04:33] <mebaran151> do this
[04:33] <FAST> *** BMP >= 0.9.7rc2 not installed - please install first ***
[04:33] <FAST> where is this package?
[04:33] <mebaran151> can you temporarily like disable that
[04:33] <ark3_> Yeah, I've got onboard sound too...
[04:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:34] <mebaran151> I thought I turned it off
[04:34] <mebaran151> but it just might not be routing right
[04:34] <ark3_> Well cat /dev/sndstat doesn't list the onboard sound, so I prolly have that disabled correctly.
[04:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:34] <mebaran151> but I think it might just be doing some weird routing
[04:34] <mebaran151> jsut do a reinstall
[04:34] <mebaran151> from like Array 3
[04:35] <mebaran151> and then apt-get upgrade
[04:35] <ark3_> Okay. So what's array 3?
[04:35] <mebaran151> oh
[04:35] <mebaran151> what did you install from
[04:36] <mebaran151> Hoary?
[04:36] <ark3_> I downloaded the Warty install CD.
[04:36] <ark3_> All Warty here.
[04:36] <mebaran151> oh it is a Warty thing
[04:36] <mebaran151> hmm
[04:36] <mebaran151> you willing to live on the wild side
[04:36] <mebaran151> Warty never worked for me
[04:36] <mebaran151> I need Xorg for my vid card
[04:36] <ark3_> Heh. I thought the point of going from Sid to Warty was stability or something... Whatever, yeah, why not. Let's give Hoary a spin.
[04:37] <mebaran151> haha
[04:37] <awstott> hoary is the bomb
[04:37] <mebaran151> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:37] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:37] <mebaran151> I am running on AMD64
[04:37] <mebaran151> and my install is like ice
[04:37] <mebaran151> smooth and slick
[04:37] <ark3_> Okay, so releases, then hoary, then array 3?
[04:37] <mebaran151> try 5 first
[04:38] <mebaran151> I was assuming you were on 3
[04:38] <mebaran151> try five first
[04:38] <mebaran151> the latest
[04:38] <mebaran151> less hassle
[04:38] <ark3_> Ah... Someone was complaining about Gnome not working in 5?
[04:38] <mebaran151> you dont have to dll a couple hundred megs of updates
[04:38] <mebaran151> really
[04:38] <mebaran151> somebody made an error
[04:38] <mebaran151> try array three then
[04:38] <mebaran151> it worked for me
[04:38] <mebaran151> 4 was borked sound
[04:38] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Do you remember something about Gnome choking in array 5?
[04:38] <mebaran151> 3 was a nice little devil
[04:39] <thoreauputic> ark3_: something about kernel 2.6.10-4 and inotify IIRC
[04:39] <thoreauputic> ark3_: but that's just from reading the mailing list a few hours ago
[04:40] <ark3_> So what do you think? 3 or 5 for me?
[04:40] <bzbb> how hard is it going from a working warty install to a hoary install?
[04:40] <ark3_> mebaran151: Yeah, for that matter, do I really need to reinstall? Or is a dist-upgrade good enough?
[04:40] <bob2> bzbb: not very, but things may break
[04:41] <thoreauputic> bzbb: basically you just chage all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:41] <bzbb> ah
[04:41] <bzbb> well, as long as I don't get filesystem corruption, I don't care too much
[04:42] <bzbb> and filesystem corruption is more annoying than crital
[04:42] <bzbb> critical
[04:42] <AlohaWolf> I upgraded.. it seems to be working great
[04:42] <bzbb> I'm guessing that a reboot is required?
[04:42] <bob2> bzbb: no
[04:42] <bzbb> really?
[04:42] <bob2> filesystem corruption won't happen, but things might not run, etc
[04:42] <bzbb> no new kernel version?
[04:43] <ark3_> It seems mebaran151 has disappeared...?
[04:43] <bob2> sure
[04:43] <bob2> but you don't *have* to reboot
[04:43] <bzbb> heh
[04:43] <bzbb> ok, I think I'm going to go for it
[04:44] <bzbb> warty is too boring
[04:46] <bzbb> how about my wart-backports repository?
[04:47] <kfish> external powerbook display works in hoary? super sexy
[04:47] <Chipzz> *sigh*
[04:47] <Chipzz> ok, so now I can start teh 2nd X-server, but now I don't have authority on it
[04:47] <Chipzz> *grmbl*
[04:47] <crypticreign> latest hoary updates, gnome feeezes on start
[04:47] <Chipzz> *kicks X*
[04:47] <FAST> where is the "bmp" package?  trying to install audioscrobbler stuff
[04:48] <FAST> configure: WARNING: *** BMP >= 0.9.7rc2 not installed - please install first ***
[04:49] <crypticreign> hm i think its 2.6.10-4
[04:49] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: it appears so, yes
[04:50] <ixus_123> Hi, just a quicky, how do I start ubuntu in text mode?
[04:50] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: :)
[04:50] <ixus_123> edit etc/initab?
[04:51] <qlo-xael> I'm having a problem with my PATH variable, i've edited it in /etc/profile and it works fine in console, but in X, it doesnt work
[04:51] <qlo-xael> anyone know if X uses a different profile type file ?
[04:51] <bzbb> whee!
[04:52] <bzbb> 694 megs of downloads
[04:52] <ark3_> FAST: You may find a file called config.log or something like that. That file should show you what test configure ran before choking on the BMP thing.
[04:52] <stuNNed> bzbb: of what?
[04:52] <bzbb> hoary
[04:52] <stuNNed> array 5?
[04:53] <gpled> anyone having trouble with cdrecord?
[04:53] <bzbb> what is array 5?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: try putting a line :  source /etc/profile in .bash_profile , or edit your pathe in there
[04:53] <stuNNed> bzbb: latest release of hoary unstable
[04:53] <ark3_> Oh well, I'm giving up for now. Later folks, and thanks much to everyone who tried to help.
[04:54] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic, putting the PATH= def wouldnt work in .bashrc because that only really applies to the terminal right?
[04:54] <Feiten> My clock is disapearing somethimes :s Whats wrong?
[04:54] <bzbb> I just changed all my sources from warty to hoary and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:54] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: the path seems to be defined in .bash_profile here - just looked
[04:55] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: but .bashrc gets included in that file anyway
[04:55] <thoreauputic> if it exists
[04:55] <qlo-xael> hmm, yeah i've got PATH=~/bin:"{$PATH}" in mine
[04:56] <qlo-xael> so that means the path set in profile should already be included right?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> yep
[04:56] <thoreauputic> which profile do you mean?
[04:56] <qlo-xael> /etc/profile
[04:56] <thoreauputic> I don't think so, unless you say `source /etc/profile`
[04:57] <gpled> having trouble with cdrecord. is their another application i can use from synaptic?
[04:57] <gpled> want to burn an iso
[04:57] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic, would the very first line be a good place for that?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> gpled: right click in nautilus on the iso, choose burn
[04:58] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: I doubt that it matters much - try it and see
[04:58] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: the last line would still get read I guess
[04:58] <lordan> hmm.. thoreauputic, doesn't nautilus-cd-burn use cdrecord?
[04:59] <lordan> or am I mistake?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> lordan: I guess so - but it appears to work
[04:59] <lordan> argh.. mistakeN!
[04:59] <thoreauputic> lordan: else install gnomebaker - that works too
[04:59] <lordan> ok, problem solved, then :-)
[05:00] <crypticreign> hmm i upgrade to haory, now the wonderful mouse curcurs are gone to plane old X ones
[05:00] <thoreauputic> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/  << for gnomebaker debs
[05:00] <gpled> thoreauputic: how do i get synaptic to stop asking for my cd?  dont have it with me.
[05:00] <crypticreign> *cursours
[05:01] <lordan> gpled, remove the cd from your sources.list
[05:01] <thoreauputic> gpled: comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.list and  sudo apt-get update
[05:01] <lordan> you can comment it out
[05:01] <thoreauputic> lordan: great minds ? ;-)
[05:02] <lordan> lol
[05:02] <thoreauputic> or fools never differ *grin*
[05:02] <lordan> sounds more like it ;-)
[05:02] <thoreauputic> yeah ;)
[05:04] <gpled> thanks! got rid of the cd request :)
[05:06] <CarlK>  is there a log of what I have reciently apt-get installed?
[05:06] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic, after i made that change, it shoudnt take effect until i restart X i suppose?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: logout-login - but remember that non-login  shells look at .bashrc, not .bash_profile
[05:08] <gpled> thoreauputic: thanks for the nautilus tip. seems to be working
[05:08] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: so that source line might need to be in both - I haven't really looked in depth
[05:08] <qlo-xael> ok
[05:09] <thoreauputic> gpled: gnomebaker is nice too - you might want to look at the URL I posted above
[05:09] <Sandu> How to switch keyboard language on login screen? Can't login into new Ubuntu!
[05:10] <thoreauputic> boot to failsafe mode, and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales , I'd say
[05:11] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker debs: >>     http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[05:12] <thoreauputic> time to go - later all
[05:12] <Teal`c> is there a ubuntu livecd ?
[05:12] <SiRrUs> see you
[05:12] <Sandu> I tried to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" in recovery mode and selected russian and english (en-us utf-8) but after reboot i still can't change language.
[05:12] <bob2> of course
[05:12] <Teal`c> what version of gnome does it load ?
[05:13] <FR500> hello
[05:14] <FR500> i can't take screenshots. I mean, i press print Screen and nothing happens, no save file or clipboard content, is something wrong?
[05:14] <CarlK> "print" <> clipboard
[05:14] <lordan> fr500 a few days ago I had a *long* delay
[05:15] <mebaran151> how good is gnomebaker
[05:15] <FR500> it's great
[05:15] <lordan> like 5-10 minutes before the dialog appeared
[05:15] <FR500> oh ok
[05:15] <FR500> gnomebaker rules, except for vbr mp3s
[05:15] <lordan> but it seems ok now (lemme check again)
[05:15] <CarlK> is prtscrn sposed to grab the screen?
[05:16] <lordan> screen shot works well
[05:16] <FR500> hmmm
[05:16] <FR500> not for me
[05:16] <lordan> can you try to run it from a terminal
[05:17] <lordan> so that you can see if there are any messages?
[05:17] <Sandu> Which keys are to switch languages in fresh installed Ubuntu by default? How to switch keyboard language on login screen? Can't login into new Ubuntu! I tried to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" in recovery mode and selected russian and english (en-us utf-8) locales but after reboot i still can't change language.
[05:17] <lordan> the app is called gnome-screenshot
[05:17] <FR500> ok lemme try
[05:18] <KuroiShi> dear lord.  I just came off a gentoo binge.  good to be back to ubuntu
[05:18] <FR500> hmmm, command not found
[05:18] <lordan> kuroishi, how is gentoo these days
[05:18] <lordan> fr500, you must be missing some package..
[05:19] <FR500> yeah
[05:20] <KuroiShi> lordan, meh, same as always i guess.  But the number of clueless zealots is increasing exponentially.
[05:20] <dash> well yes
[05:20] <dash> because the population of the world is increasing exponentially
[05:20] <dash> stands to reason!
[05:20] <KuroiShi> haha
[05:20] <FR500> there is no gnome screenshot package or anything on synaptic
[05:20] <lordan> KuroiShi, tends to be a problem since Gentoo gave itself a reputation
[05:21] <dash> speaking of clueless zealots, is anyone having difficulty with today's kernel packages?
[05:21] <lordan> of being a distro for "hardcore" ppl
[05:21] <dash> hee hee gentoo
[05:21] <dash> in particular, 2.6.10-4-686, with fglrx
[05:21] <FR500> hmmmm gnome-panel-screenshot for me
[05:21] <FR500> and it works
[05:21] <lordan> dash, yepp
[05:21] <FR500> but how do i make the key to work
[05:21] <KuroiShi> anywho, i'm not accustomed to this whole not having a script to handle init scripts thing.  How to i do this?
[05:21] <dash> lordan: Okay, glad to know it isn't just me.
[05:22] <dash> lordan: has a bug been filed?
[05:22] <error_29> FR500, screenshot is available from the "Computer" menu, or you can add it to a panel
[05:22] <error_29> oops, sorry FR500
[05:22] <lordan> dash, been discussed in ubuntuforums
[05:22] <lordan> it's a kernel/gamin issue
[05:22] <dash> lordan: cool, i will read
[05:22] <KuroiShi> haha, better not reboot then cause i just installed that kernel and fglrx
[05:23] <dash> KuroiShi: well, that's why i didn't remove -3 :D
[05:23] <dash> because i was not sure yet
[05:23] <lordan> KuroiShi, I think you're looking for update-rc.d
[05:23] <lordan> man it
[05:23] <FR500> error_29: isn't there a way to map it to print screen?
[05:24] <lordan> ok, gotta head off.. need a few minutes of sleep b4 work
[05:24] <dash> aha! noinotify.
[05:24] <KuroiShi> thanks a lot lordan, pleasent dreams
[05:24] <dash> nice.
[05:24] <rocker> Hey IO need help is anyone out there?
[05:25] <dash> hi
[05:25] <sig> rocker: whats up?
[05:25] <error_29> I imagine so, FR500, but I don't know how.  Personally i prefer the kde screenshot app myself
[05:25] <FR500> ok
[05:25] <rocker> I'm a newbie to Ubunto and need help
[05:25] <delltony> anyone know if the bug in hoary on deleting recently used has been fixed yet?
[05:25] <sig> rocker: well ask dude
[05:26] <rocker> what can I do to get my nivdia card working on here?
[05:26] <sig> delltony: trying to get rid of your recently viewed porn movies???? lol
[05:26] <SiRrUs> FR500 did you get the key working
[05:26] <delltony> of course man
[05:26] <error_29> rocker, I'm a newbie to linux in any form.  I think they need a new distro just for us called Nubuntu
[05:26] <delltony> porns the way of the future
[05:26] <delltony> :p
[05:26] <FR500> no SiRrus
[05:26] <rocker> LOL
[05:26] <sig> rocker: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[05:27] <rocker> I'm used to mandrake
[05:27] <sig> rocker: this guide is your best buddy
[05:27] <error_29> Mandrake almost killed my self-esteem several years ago.
[05:27] <rocker> ok I hate this dang intel onboard card
[05:27] <SiRrUs> FR500 try system/preferences/keyboard shortcut
[05:27] <error_29> They said it was easy; I easily trashed a hard drive.  Hated their install
[05:28] <error_29> rocker, set X-chat to automatically log everything, you'll have an encyclopedia of info on this stuff in no time
[05:28] <FR500> there is the shortcut, and it's working but it doesnt launch the app
[05:28] <rocker> I only started with Mandrake 10.0 cause windows got boring
[05:29] <SiRrUs> FR500 strange it doesnt work for you mine is good
[05:29] <error_29> I tried Mandrake 7, I'm sure it's improved!
[05:30] <Sandu> What keyboard shortcut is to switch languages in login screen with fresh installed Ubuntu by default? Tried Ctrl+Shift, Alt+Shift, Shift+shift... but it does not works. Can't input my login!
[05:30] <error_29> Sandu, try Alt-Alt
[05:30] <FR500> it's a bit screwed
[05:30] <FR500> gotta format this rig anyway
[05:30] <SiRrUs> FR500 you using warty or hoary
[05:31] <error_29> Sandu, I'm finding the alternate keyboard layouts to, frankly, suck in linux so far.
[05:31] <FR500> warty
[05:31] <error_29> Don't flame me, but I miss Microsoft keyboard IMEs
[05:31] <regeya> the mystery trip
[05:31] <SiRrUs> i see
[05:31] <SiRrUs> regeya your back
[05:32] <regeya> I find that it sucks that we can't do objective-c++ until at least gcc4, which means that gnustep can't take over the world yet
[05:32] <error_29> "US English with dead keys" sucks
[05:32] <regeya> SiRrUs: what's on my back?  Get it off!  GET IT OFF!!!
[05:33] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:33] <error_29> The keys are way toooo dead.  Who needs an accent mark on an "s"?
[05:33] <stuNNed> error_29: what is IME?
[05:33] <error_29> "input method editor" stuNNed.
[05:33] <KuroiShi> regeya, your terrible pun has made my day
[05:33] <dash> regeya: gnustep needs major corporate backing /and/ some decent UI designers before it can take over the world
[05:34] <error_29> Hell, in windows 3.1 it was easier to type with accented characters than on this thing
[05:34] <dash> gnustep was awesome back in the day but i think gnome has all the good parts from it now
[05:34] <regeya> dash:  indeed, who cares if the API can wipe the floor with the mishmash known as GNOME, it needs to be prettier!
[05:34] <dash> regeya: meh
[05:35] <regeya> GNOME is pretty these days, which makes it superior.
[05:35] <dash> regeya: so what's gnustep got
[05:35] <regeya> meh.
[05:35] <error_29> It could be prettier, if it stopped lying to me about the icons!
[05:35] <regeya> so what's the good parts that gnome's got
[05:35] <error_29> I choose a pretty icon, and it gives me a crappy old icon
[05:35] <dash> regeya: 1) widespread acceptance 2) lots of apps and libraries
[05:35] <regeya> anything I mention, you'll just 'oh but gnome's sorta got that'
[05:36] <regeya> and then I'll be an idiot by default, in your eyes.
[05:36] <regeya> oh, well.
[05:36] <regeya> dash:  that makes windows better than all this.  let's run off to the store and get our copies of xp professional. ;-)
[05:36] <dash> regeya: erm
[05:36] <dash> what? no it doesn't
[05:36] <regeya> yeah!
[05:36] <regeya> the thing that's great about gnome is that it's got widespread acceptance, and lots of apps and libraries!
[05:36] <regeya> windows has gnome beat in that department, though.
[05:36] <dash> regeya: it is /a/ thing
[05:37] <dash> regeya: yes, it is an advantage windows has
[05:37] <error_29> Here's something, ironically, in Windows favor:  a lot of great open source stuff written for windows or ported to it that is simply easy for noobs like me to istall and use
[05:37] <dbjh> windows is an waful operating system
[05:37] <dash> regeya: so, we've talked about the advantages of gnome and the advantages of windows
[05:37] <dash> regeya: what are the advantages of gnustep?
[05:37] <regeya> dash:  I find objective-c to be easier to understand, and quite frankly, the RAD tools I've used beat anything I've seen in the world of free software and open source.
[05:37] <dash> regeya: easier to understand than what?
[05:38] <regeya> dash: unfortunately, the support for it just isn't there, an dthe organization isn't there
[05:38] <regeya> gnome wins because there's a group of whip-crackers willing to do what it takes to get stuff done.
[05:39] <dash> ...?
[05:39] <Chipzz> regeya: expect more gnome apps to come
[05:39] <error_29> regeya, tell the whip crackers to crack the whip on the desktop so it doesn't crash every time I change wallpaper
[05:39] <Chipzz> the next release of acrobat reader will be GTK+ based
[05:39] <regeya> error_29: heh
[05:40] <KuroiShi> god damnit, isn't there a gui tool to configure daemons? where the hell is it?
[05:40] <regeya> Chipzz: I happen to know there's a *step version of Acrobat Reader, just not gnustep.  I use Cocoa Acrobat all the time. :-/
[05:40] <regeya> or maybe it's carbon.
[05:40] <regeya> that'd change things.
[05:40] <awstott> KuroiShi try webmin?
[05:40] <error_29> or at least have gnome stop throwing TWO error messages at me every time it does that
[05:40] <Chipzz> and with the "migration" of traditional UNICes from CDE to GNOME, you can expect even more apps to migrate I think
[05:40] <Adrenal> just got new monitor
[05:40] <dash> regeya: btw: Turtledove fan? :)
[05:40] <Adrenal> how do i make ubuntu reconize this one?
[05:40] <KuroiShi> awstott, overkill for something i KNOW is in gnome
[05:40] <error_29> But man I love ubuntu and Gnome lets me just enjoy my computer again
[05:41] <regeya> dash:  indeed!
[05:41] <dash> regeya: so... objc is easier to understand than what?
[05:41] <Adrenal> like, the res and stuff is still off the old one?
[05:41] <regeya> I greet you superior sir
[05:41] <awstott> lol... just tossing suggestion out..... i'm fairly new to actually using linux..... I have had a box for a couple of years but pretty much just installed it and thats about it
[05:41] <regeya> dash: I guess I'm an idiot. :-}  beyond basics I find g++ to be ghastly and incomprehensible, though it's been a while since I've done any coding.  I've been doing some objc lately and love it...so far. ;-)
[05:41] <dash> regeya: i think objc is easier to understand than some things, but i didn't understand what you were comparing it to :)
[05:41] <Adrenal> anyone?
[05:42] <regeya> c++
[05:42] <regeya> rther
[05:42] <dash> regeya: oh, well, yeah, there's no reason to use C++, like, ever
[05:42] <error_29> folks, I need an opinion-- I want to try installing minix on a 486 laptop, 4 megs memory
[05:42] <Chipzz> regeya: the thing with g++ is learning to read (and understand) the error messages
[05:42] <dash> regeya: python's even easier than objc, even for cocoa apps :)
[05:42] <error_29> just to use to learn basics, and gmacs and stuff
[05:42] <KuroiShi> awstott, yeah, webmin is great, I use it on my server.  But kinda silly to put it on a desktop only to configure services.
[05:42] <regeya> Chipzz: I actually meant c++ :-}
[05:42] <awstott> yah
[05:42] <regeya> python is awesome
[05:42] <error_29> any one use minix?
[05:43] <Chipzz> regeya: yeah I agree - C++ syntax is one big mess
[05:43] <Chipzz> one big powerfull mess, but a big mess nevertheless
[05:43] <regeya> I work with zope on an in-house project; I realize it's not the most pythonic thing out there, but I like it.
[05:43] <dash> regeya: zope is pretty handy when it's used for what it's designed for :)
[05:43] <error_29> Python and Ruby both look appealing to me, if I ever get the discipline to try to learn some programming
[05:43] <Chipzz> and python rules big time :)
[05:43] <hypa7ia> error_29: i do
[05:44] <dash> yeah
[05:44] <hypa7ia> once in a while
[05:44] <Chipzz> error_29: python is almost as easy as VB ;)
[05:44] <hypa7ia> on my powebook 170 :-)
[05:44] <error_29> hypa7ia, use minix?
[05:44] <hypa7ia> indeedly
[05:44] <dash> python and ruby are a lot alike, but python has more useful libraries IME
[05:44] <hypa7ia> i learned C on it
[05:44] <hypa7ia> 2 years ago
[05:44] <error_29> Cool
[05:44] <hypa7ia> but now python is more my thing
[05:45] <KuroiShi> hypa7ia, do you have a howto or something?  i have some old powerbooks that i want to nixify
[05:45] <bur[n] er> hypa7ia: know how to use pygtk stuff?
[05:45] <Chipzz> hypa7ia: I agree python is a very nice language, for applications
[05:45] <KuroiShi> but i don't have time to hack it out myself
[05:45] <Chipzz> but for libraries you still want c
[05:45] <error_29> I would love to get my old toshiba laptop with 4 megs ram running with something
[05:45] <regeya> dash:  really, I'm impressed that GNUstep has achieved a number of their goals.  It's nice to see a group of APIs that are fairly consistent.  Also I'm biased 'coz I work with Macs all the time so I definitely had an interest in cocoa development. :-}  I have trouble grokking gnome development, even rad
[05:46] <regeya> dont get me wrong!  gnome has become amazingly usable and consistent!
[05:46] <dash> regeya: i'm presenting something of a strawman argument myself, i never write gui apps ;)
[05:46] <StoffBox-Stev1> @all have someone a reason why the Nvidia driver only find one monitor ?
[05:46] <hypa7ia> KuroiShi: it's mad easy.... minix runs as a program on os 7
[05:46] <regeya> dash:  I've only done so just toying around ;-)
[05:46] <error_29> I'm jonesing for a mac mini.  Not sure why
[05:46] <dash> regeya: but looking at the state of things now, i'm not sure the advantages gnustep has anymore
[05:46] <dash> error_29: it is TINY and CUTE
[05:46] <hypa7ia> error_29: you want FreeDos for that toshiba
[05:47] <hypa7ia> bur[n] er: not yet, sorry :-/
[05:47] <error_29> Yes, hypa7ia, I think you're right!
[05:47] <hypa7ia> freedos rocks :-)_
[05:47] <error_29> and oops
[05:47] <hypa7ia> so good for old games
[05:47] <error_29> how did that happen??
[05:47] <delltony> cool fixed recent-documents just killed gnome-panel and it cleared it and set a chmod +600 to ~/.recent-used and it disables the menu :)
[05:48] <error_29> sorry, I hit the tab key too hard or something
[05:48] <KuroiShi> hypa7ia, badass.  I'll have to actually find one of those lappys now
[05:49] <KuroiShi> i just realized though, i don't have anyway of getting the binary TO the laptop =/
[05:49] <hypa7ia> lol KuroiShi... i believe you want to be googling macminix... i'd send you a link but i'm stuck being a console cowgirl tonight
[05:49] <hypa7ia> KuroiShi: floppy disks
[05:49] <hypa7ia> minix is like 600K
[05:49] <KuroiShi> i don't own a floppy drive
[05:49] <hypa7ia> DL it at school / work / library :-)
[05:49] <hypa7ia> pssh excuses :-p
[05:50] <error_29> I think I could run minix over dos...
[05:50] <hypa7ia> error_29: i think that;s correct
[05:50] <hypa7ia> it's so nice on oldschool macs tho
[05:51] <error_29> hmmm, doorstop no longer!
[05:51] <error_29> I loved that laptop
[05:51] <KuroiShi> don't those floppys have some weird FS?
[05:52] <hypa7ia> KuroiShi: most macs can read FAT
[05:52] <hypa7ia> error_29: isn't that a great feeling :-)
[05:52] <KuroiShi> oh, cool.
[05:52] <KuroiShi> time to go hunt down a powerbook
[05:52] <Dr_willis> CP/M  :)
[05:52] <KuroiShi> i think i have a 140 and 2 160s
[05:52] <regeya> indeed macos of the last few years can read fat
[05:52] <error_29> hypa7ia, it sure is!
[05:52] <hypa7ia> even if they can't, you can load HFS software onto anything else
[05:53] <regeya> don't know about 7, but definitely 8+
[05:53] <KuroiShi> okay, they are HFS.
[05:53] <KuroiShi> I wasn't sure if the older stuff used something other than hfs
[05:53] <hypa7ia> error_29: my friend just fix0red my sweet little powerbook 2400c... i am just overjoyed
[05:53] <KuroiShi> i'm not a mac guy
[05:53] <KuroiShi> yet
[05:53] <hypa7ia> what a beeeoootiful little machine
[05:53] <KuroiShi> as soon as tiger comes out i'm snatching a minimac =D
[05:53] <hypa7ia> regeya: there's an extension for 7
[05:53] <error_29> I've always had mac envy
[05:53] <regeya> welcome to a constant state of madness, KuroiShi
[05:54] <hypa7ia> i was on OS X for >2 years
[05:54] <regeya> remember, Macs are easy to deal with.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> ive looked hard at the macs.. and even have an imacdv.. and soorry.. just not that impressed. :(
[05:54] <regeya> keep reminding yourself of that fact
[05:54] <hypa7ia> i shit you not, i switched fulltime to linux (pc laptop) because of ubu
[05:54] <hypa7ia> but macs are sweet
[05:54] <Dr_willis> regeya,  im sure some would beg to differ on the easy part. :P
[05:54] <error_29> Does anyone know if the Mac WiFi works with linux?
[05:55] <qlo-xael> I'm having a problem with my PATH definitions, I entered the pathnames in /etc/profile and in ~/.bashrc, and it works in console and gnome-terminal, but it doesnt work in straight X, anybody have any idea what to do?
[05:55] <hypa7ia> i am gonna try and convince my family to get one... would make them bug me less :-)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> The easier they make stuff.. the harder it seems to be to FIX things when they do break.
[05:55] <hypa7ia> error_29: the extreme does not
[05:55] <hypa7ia> Dr_willis: not on OS X... xertainly not.
[05:55] <regeya> forget that open firmware is based on forth.  forget that the complexity of os x makes linux look like a playskool toy.  just remember that os x has a lickable interface.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> hypa7ia,  some how the step kids managed to mess up the imac.. actually i THINK it was the cable-company software...
[05:55] <regeya> Dr_willis: sarcasm
[05:55] <qlo-xael> Does X use a different PATH definition?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> this was on OS-X even. :P
[05:56] <Dr_willis> the imacdv is now running Ubuntu :P
[05:56] <hypa7ia> Dr_willis: which version of x? <10.3 kinda blew
[05:56] <Dr_willis> I think this was 10.3 - just bouight it like 6 mo ago.
[05:56] <error_29> Friends I have who are complete non-techies achieve a kind of bliss of actually feeling in some kind of creative control of their macs
[05:56] <regeya> 10.2 wasn't bad.  at least finder looked like it was an aqua app
[05:56] <Dr_willis> sort of a waste to put in an old imac like that.. but its just the kids web-surfing box.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> I never really felt in controll of the OS-X :P seemed i was always fighting it to work how i wanted it to.. but you get that mentality from useing linux  and 100 different window managers.
[05:58] <KuroiShi> anyone know if the ubuntu livecd kernel has hfs support?
[05:58] <error_29> exactly, Dr_willis
[05:58] <Dr_willis> and jumping from 3 or 4 different OS's in a single day gets you confused at times.
[05:58] <helio7> does anyone know a small app to resize a batch of jpeg files to a smaller size (for uploading to a gallery)?
[05:58] <error_29> my tab key is completely fucked! anyone else seeing my output?  my keybindings are messed up or something
[05:58] <hypa7ia> KuroiShi: it should
[05:58] <hypa7ia> error_29: looks normal here
[05:58] <Amaranth> error_29: Nope, can't see you at all.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> helio7,  Hmm.. i knwo  KDE has a "make image galley" feature that ive used a great deal.
[05:59] <qlo-xael> I'm having a problem with my PATH definitions, I entered the pathnames in /etc/profile and in ~/.bashrc, and it works in console and gnome-terminal, but it doesnt work in straight X, anybody have any idea what to do?
[05:59] <qlo-xael> anybody?
[05:59] <Dr_willis> 'straight X' ?
[05:59] <KuroiShi> then it's off to the basement and then to my parents PC, provided i can find a floppy...
[06:00] <Syslock> can any 1 help me!
[06:00] <qlo-xael> Dr_willis, as in non-terminal, run application type execution
[06:00] <KuroiShi> Syslock, most likely
[06:00] <KuroiShi> what's the problem?
[06:01] <Syslock> hi any way am from cgile
[06:01] <Syslock> CHILE
[06:01] <Syslock> am trying to instaall ubuntu on a machine and i got an error  tahat
[06:01] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  hmm.. could be that the run application is not loading the .bashrc or .bash_profile (or perhaops its running one but not the other)
[06:02] <qlo-xael> in my .bash_profile, nothing is uncommented
[06:02] <qlo-xael> there is no path setting
[06:03] <Syslock> said the md5sum has faildes
[06:03] <Syslock> faild
[06:03] <Syslock> on ./dists/warty...../Packages
[06:04] <Dr_willis> # If not running interactively, don't do anything
[06:04] <Dr_willis> [ -z "$PS1" ]  && return
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Hmmmm.....
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Looke like that tells it to STOP there. :P
[06:04] <Dr_willis> which May be the case when useing that run app menu item.. But you want the path for the 'run application' to be set.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> so this may not be the issue
[06:05] <hypa7ia> i'm off to bed.  good luck with the minix adventures, error_29 :-)
[06:06] <Syslock> no one
[06:06] <qlo-xael> hmmm
[06:06] <qlo-xael> i have an idea
[06:06] <qlo-xael> a link
[06:06] <Syslock> alguien ESPAOL
[06:06] <qlo-xael> in a path thats already listed
[06:07] <qlo-xael> that seems to make sense
[06:07] <jevidl> quick question, if I drag and drop wav files into the built in gnome cd burning with nautilus, will automatically make an audio cd?
[06:08] <Amaranth> nope
[06:08] <Amaranth> nautilus only does data cds
[06:08] <jevidl> how do I do it then?
[06:08] <Amaranth> the best linux app for burning cds right now is k3b
[06:08] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  not sure. :P .bashrc is ran at different times then say .bash_profile also.
[06:08] <SiRrUs> jevidl graveman works very good also
[06:08] <dbjh> where do you get k3b
[06:08] <Dr_willis> for example 'xterm -l' runs .bashrc xterm -ls runs .bash_profile
[06:08] <jevidl> SiRrUs: hmm, ok. I will just copy them over to my other machine quick
[06:08] <Amaranth> dbjh: sudo apt-get install k3b
[06:09] <Amaranth> If you're using warty read the howto in the wiki or you might have some issues.
[06:09] <qlo-xael> Dr_willis, thanks anyway friend
[06:09] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  i got no idea how gnome sets ITs path. its possible its useing some setting thasts in the 'Gconf' stuff
[06:10] <Syslock> exit
[06:11] <jevidl> Amaranth: thanks
[06:11] <regeya> they've cut the hardline.  you'll have to find another exit.
[06:11] <jevidl> SiRrUs: you too, thanks
[06:11] <regeya> yikes, my irc client froze.
[06:12] <qlo-xael> hmm i'll look there, Dr_willis
[06:12] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  but i dident see it just now when i looked :P
[06:12] <dbjh> thank you Amaranth
[06:12] <Dr_willis> trying to make the 'run application' menu item run a shell that does "echo $PATH" :P
[06:13] <Dr_willis> i forget the command that pauses a shell till you hit Enter.
[06:13] <qlo-xael> i think if i just put a link in /usr/local to the java command and place the java directory in /usr/local i've seen it work that way before
[06:13] <qlo-xael> i think
[06:14] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  or make a batch file/script :p
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm gnome help docs are less then helpfull in this area. searched for 'run' and it mentions the Runing of Scripts.. but it dosent have that item uin the menus like it said it should..
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Outdated docs? I rember a 'run script' item on older versions of gnome
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> HEL!PP! update-manager cant download any files from archive.ubuntu.com
[06:18] <Dr_willis> server may be down
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> Dr_willis: no ... look at the error
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main python-gtk2 2.5.4-0ubuntu2
[06:19] <da_bon_bon>   Bad header line
[06:19] <Dr_willis> could be the webserver part is down. I just pinged it. so its up. Hmm
[06:20] <hypa7ia> just wanted to let ppl know about the solution to the weird gnome-freezing issue for the moment:
[06:21] <Yomega_Killer> How does it freezes ?
[06:21] <hypa7ia> adding noinotify to the kernel line in grub fixores et
[06:21] <hypa7ia> err it
[06:21] <Yomega_Killer> ? strange ?
[06:22] <hypa7ia> Yomega_Killer: it just freezes dead on install / update to 2.6.10-4
[06:22] <hypa7ia> indeed
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> whats inotify, bte ?
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> btyw ?
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: i am experiencing it too.
[06:22] <Yomega_Killer> I use this opt and it doesn't freeze
[06:22] <hypa7ia> Yomega_Killer: what are you running?
[06:23] <hypa7ia> da_bon_bon: add noinotify (we're replacing inotify with dnotify apparently) to the kernel line in grub
[06:23] <Yomega_Killer> Warty 4.10
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: added.
[06:23] <ironwolf> 2.6.10-4 on hoary kills me too.
[06:24] <hypa7ia> ironwolf: give the fix a try
[06:24] <hypa7ia> i just logged into gnome on my fresh ubu install <3 <3
[06:24] <TetrisMaster> Ubuntu couldnt locate my wireless card...it only located my (unused) eth0 LAN 10/100 card....how can i fix this?
[06:24] <hypa7ia> after a month away, i missed it
[06:24] <hypa7ia> TetrisMaster: what kind of card?
[06:24] <ironwolf> hypa7ia: what fix?
[06:24] <TetrisMaster> DLink B
[06:25] <hypa7ia> ironwolf: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16681&page=3&pp=10
[06:25] <hypa7ia> add noinotify to your kernel line in grub
[06:25] <TetrisMaster> a D-link wireless DWL-520
[06:26] <TetrisMaster> 802.11b
[06:26] <Dr_willis> ive had such issues with wireless under Linux and windows.. i just ran the *$*$(@ wires! and was done with it.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:26] <TetrisMaster> lol
[06:26] <Se7h> wow
[06:27] <Se7h> i cant ear sound from movies
[06:27] <Se7h> o.0
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: fucking kernel crashed again, but not before i could add "noinotify"
[06:27] <Dr_willis> i even got network cables going behind the couch in the living room. :P
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> so now, lets see
[06:27] <hypa7ia> good luck da_bon_bon
[06:27] <TetrisMaster> i really ned the wireless though...its an old 18oo's home...cannot mess with wall, and only where internet is located...totally away from me :)
[06:27] <hypa7ia> TetrisMaster: know what chipset by any chance? lsusb might reveal it
[06:27] <bborkk> hawke: Hi again.  I figured out part of the problem thanks to something you mentioned.
[06:27] <cg0def> this is probably an easy question but how do you add 32bit repos to hoary 64?
[06:27] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon should work now
[06:27] <Dr_willis> TetrisMaster,  i ran the cat-5 in the heater ducts. :P
[06:28] <SiRrUs> ?
[06:28] <hypa7ia> brilliant Dr_willis
[06:28] <TetrisMaster> hmm i dunno
[06:28] <Se7h> can anyone help me here?
[06:28] <TetrisMaster> its just a PCI
[06:29] <StoffBox-Stev1> can someone tell me a unpack tool for -.rar .zip that can handle multi-archives and rar 3 ?
[06:29] <bborkk> Se7h: Yes, but you've just used up one question.
[06:29] <Se7h> uh?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> i think that unrar can handle multi-rars
[06:29] <Dr_willis> not sure about rar3
[06:29] <Se7h> yea
[06:29] <Se7h> it can
[06:30] <TetrisMaster> Dr willis: where could i find the chipset?
[06:30] <StoffBox-Stev1> i download it form the website but dont know how to install :S cant find it in the readmes
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs, hypa7ia: whats the problem with the new kernel ?
[06:30] <Se7h> oh no
[06:30] <Se7h> it cant
[06:30] <Se7h> sorry
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> http://rafb.net/paste/results/e6dA0D46.html - someone pelase help - its urgent...
[06:30] <Dr_willis> i just used 'apt-get install unrar' :P i think
[06:30] <dbjh> can anyone tell me how to install real one player in ubuntu
[06:31] <hypa7ia> StoffBox-Stev1: you want to look here: http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:31] <Dr_willis> dbjh,  i think thats in the "guide"
[06:31] <Se7h> StoffBox-Stev1 unrar-nonfree
[06:31] <dbjh> ok
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> Dr_willis: apt-get install rar it is
[06:31] <hypa7ia> da_bon_bon: tried apt-get update?
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: yes.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> i think thers rar. and unrar.. :P time to an 'apt-cache search rar'
[06:31] <hypa7ia> shiz
[06:32] <bob2> you may need unrar-nonfree
[06:32] <pussfeller> what plays m4a's
[06:32] <bob2> but in the long-term it's better to find warez kiddies who have clue about compression and use rzip or such
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> pussfeller: xine, mplayer
[06:32] <hypa7ia> StoffBox-Stev1: for installing stuff, you might also like Synaptic, it's in one of the menus at the top left
[06:32] <Se7h> dam i cant figure why my movies dont make a sound
[06:32] <Dr_willis> bob2,  not sure there are many that have a clue about it. :P
[06:32] <StoffBox-Stev1> but ... why i try > sudo apt-get install rar ... it cant find a package that calls rar
[06:32] <pussfeller> what are they, da_bon_bon? windows. apple?
[06:32] <StoffBox-Stev1> why = when
[06:33] <bob2> StoffBox-Stev1: yes, the package is not called 'rar'
[06:33] <bob2> StoffBox-Stev1: it's called 'unrar'
[06:33] <bborkk> Is there an updated version of the wxpython2.4 package that has been modified for multi-version installations of wxPython?
[06:33] <StoffBox-Stev1> http://ubuntuguide.org <<< there it called rar
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> pussfeller: what are what ?
[06:33] <StoffBox-Stev1> unrar the same ...
[06:33] <hypa7ia> StoffBox-Stev1: you probably just need that
[06:34] <StoffBox-Stev1> nothing to find
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> pussfeller: xine and mplayer play everything
[06:34] <bob2> StoffBox-Stev1: you need to read that page again and enable universe.
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> wheres the overall xine config kept ?
[06:34] <StoffBox-Stev1> i know i need it .. wenn i try to unpack the files .. the error come up > unpack command not found
[06:34] <pussfeller> da_bon_bon, what are m4a's, i mean where do they come from and why are people using them
[06:35] <StoffBox-Stev1> universe is enable :(
[06:35] <SiRrUs> M4A is a file extension used to represent the popular new international audio standard called MPEG 4 Audio. M4A is the new replacement for the older MP3 audio
[06:35] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:35] <SiRrUs> amazing what google will do for you
[06:36] <da_bon_bon> pussfeller: http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=M4A
[06:38] <bzbb> hmm
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> http://rafb.net/paste/results/e6dA0D46.html - someone pelase help - its urgent...
[06:39] <da_bon_bon>  also, everytime i try to dist-upgrade, it says some packages cudnt be authenticated, do u wanna continue ?
[06:39] <bzbb> lets say I wanted to download automaticaly a range of files from a website, where the url is  $string(sequence number).jpg?
[06:40] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon i just say yeppers
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: then it gives me the errors i pasted in the rafb link
[06:41] <SiRrUs> thats strange i dont get the errors
[06:41] <AcidWolf> anyone know how to change the domain name in Ubuntu
[06:41] <AcidWolf> root@acidwolf: <------- the acidwolf bit
[06:42] <stuNNed> AcidWolf: `echo whatever > /etc/hostname`
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> AcidWolf: echo WHATUWANT > /etc/hostname
[06:43] <AcidWolf> ty very much
[06:43] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> ah, so no one has any idea about the fucking apt errors ?
[06:46] <AcidWolf> it didnt work
[06:46] <AcidWolf> :(
[06:47] <stuNNed> AcidWolf: how'd you test?
[06:47] <AcidWolf> i did the command
[06:47] <AcidWolf> then killed the terminal
[06:47] <AcidWolf> then opened it again
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> AcidWolf: u need to restart once
[06:47] <AcidWolf> oh
[06:48] <AcidWolf> *giggle*
[06:48] <AcidWolf> ty
[06:50] <bborkk> I think I found an intermittent bug with Firefox that causes a system freeze.
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> am i alive ? someone please reply..
[06:50] <bborkk> da_bon_bon: yes.
[06:51] <bborkk> The bug occurs when saving a webpage immediately after searching for and finding text.
[06:54] <AcidWolf> true or false , Yaboot puts Grub to shame
[06:54] <AcidWolf> and lilo for that matter
[06:55] <monkey89> I installed qc-usb-source and unpacked the tarball it gave me in /usr/src... is there a special debian way of compiling it?
[06:55] <monkey89> there's a subdir debian
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> ok
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> ok
[06:55] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: You use Ubuntu?
[06:56] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: yeah =D you're the one who told me about it
[06:56] <BrianAnthony> it's sexi
[06:56] <Amaranth> oh yeah...
[06:56] <Amaranth> :D
[06:56] <BrianAnthony> I got cedega
[06:56] <BrianAnthony> and CS is installing
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> BrianAnthony: bittorrent ? :P
[06:57] <BrianAnthony> da_bon_bon: it was worth 15$ and not dealing with the bs =P
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> BrianAnthony: ah, ok..
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> win runs CS fine too
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> *wine
[07:00] <subterrific> polypaudio is so cool
[07:01] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: Using hoary?
[07:01] <ms988> Hello, everybody. Not very familiar with Linux, and having trouble setting up a printer. Is there anyone that can help?
[07:01] <subterrific> i've got it broadcasting sound to 3 different machines, all the audio is perfectly in sync
[07:01] <itga> Amaranth: Im trying
[07:02] <ms988> Heh, no one, really?
[07:03] <Amaranth> ms988: I don't have a printer, sorry.
[07:03] <ms988> Thanks anyway :)
[07:04] <mpq> I need help with my laptop
[07:04] <mpq> the touchpad doesn't work right
[07:05] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: nah, I messed up and got warty instead =/
[07:05] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: You have broadband, right?
[07:05] <BrianAnthony> Is it easy to upgrade without having to lose what I have set up already
[07:05] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[07:05] <Amaranth> Simple fix then.
[07:05] <BrianAnthony> 4.3mb
[07:05] <Amaranth> edit your /etc/apt/source.list file and replace warty with hoary
[07:05] <Amaranth> oh, and enable universe while you're in there
[07:06] <BrianAnthony> it already is enabled =)
[07:06] <Amaranth> then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, just like debian
[07:06] <BrianAnthony> I'm not gonna loase cedega er anything, am I?
[07:07] <Amaranth> i don't see why you would
[07:07] <zombics> what the name of the module of nvidia CK85 sound card?
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> where does xine store its global config file ?
[07:08] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: I'd guess somewhere in /usr/etc/
[07:08] <Amaranth> Is there a xine dir in there?
[07:08] <mpq> my mouse doesn't work right
[07:08] <mpq> I need help with it
[07:08] <woodywarty> Hi Amaranth how are you ?
[07:08] <Amaranth> mpq: Sorry, I dunno.
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: no /usr/etc
[07:08] <Amaranth> mpq: Did you try googling for the solution?
[07:08] <mpq> I don't know the problem
[07:09] <mpq> I have no idea why it isn't working right
[07:09] <mpq> I wouldn't know what to search for
[07:09] <Amaranth> I'm going from memory here.
[07:09] <Amaranth> mpq: What kind of mouse is it?
[07:09] <mpq> a laptop touchpad
[07:09] <Amaranth> what kind of laptop?
[07:09] <woodywarty> Can somebody help me figure out why my Ubuntu PC is running so slow
[07:10] <mpq> it has an on/off button that turns off the touchpad for when you're typing or using an external mouse
[07:10] <mpq> but it doesn't turn off in linux
[07:10] <Amaranth> you want it to turn off?
[07:10] <mpq> yes
[07:10] <mpq> the button doesn't turn it off
[07:10] <Amaranth> err, does the external one work when you hook it up?
[07:10] <mpq> yes
[07:11] <mpq> the indicator light on the touchpad goes on and off when I press the button but nothing happens
[07:11] <Amaranth> I dunno, your laptop sounds dodgy.
[07:11] <Amaranth> most turn off the pad when you hook up a mouse automatically
[07:11] <Amaranth> what kind of laptop?
[07:11] <mpq> it's an HP
[07:11] <Amaranth> woodywarty: How fast is your computer?
[07:11] <Amaranth> mpq: What model?
[07:12] <mpq> pavilion ze4900
[07:12] <woodywarty> It's 450 MHz only
[07:12] <Amaranth> woodywarty: It's going to be slow then. If you really need speed use XFCE or something instead of GNOME.
[07:14] <Amaranth> mpq: I can't find anything on Google, sorry.
[07:16] <rubixXx> what up
[07:29] <AcidWolf> ok tht worked
[07:29] <AcidWolf> i changed the host name
[07:29] <AcidWolf> but now when i log in i get an error
[07:29] <AcidWolf> something to do with /etc/hosts
[07:29] <AcidWolf> so i guess something is looking for the old hostname
[07:29] <woodywarty> What's the difference between Linux and FreeBSD
[07:29] <Amaranth> everything
[07:30] <Amaranth> lmao, trolling
[07:30] <AcidWolf> :p
[07:30] <OrangeSlice> bsd is, uh, unix o_O
[07:30] <_jon_> hey can anybody help with installing nvidia drivers, i'm running hoary
[07:30] <Amaranth> +nvidia
[07:30] <UbuntuBot> nvidia is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:31] <AcidWolf> changed the hostname with echo sweatshop >/etc/hostname
[07:31] <_jon_> Amaranth: thanks, i'll take a look
[07:31] <AcidWolf> now when i log in a little screen jumps up and tells me that there is something wrong in /etc/hosts
[07:31] <AcidWolf> :(
[07:33] <woodywarty> Does somebody know the channel for FreeBSD ?
[07:33] <AcidWolf> your seriously asking that question
[07:33] <OrangeSlice> lol
[07:34] <_jon_> woodywarty: #freebsd, then try #noob as well
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> woodywarty: #freebsd
[07:34] <AcidWolf> yeah good idea
[07:34] <woodywarty> #freebsd does not work
[07:34] <AcidWolf> ok
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> woodywarty: will u change ur nick to woodyhoary when its released ?
[07:35] <_jon_> Amaranth: i read the page, but can't find the linux-restricted modules for the current kernel in hoart
[07:35] <woodywarty> Well I will
[07:35] <_jon_> s/hoart/hoary
[07:35] <OrangeSlice> you forgot singlequotes and -e >;0
[07:36] <bj_> hello
[07:36] <AcidWolf> can anyone help me with my hostname issue
[07:36] <bj_> gam_server
[07:36] <bj_> ?
[07:37] <AcidWolf> O_o
[07:37] <bj_> I'll ask when  veryone is awake
[07:38] <_jon_> bj_: it helps to actually as a question
[07:38] <_jon_> s/as/$1+k
[07:39] <BiteMeBill> woodywarty: http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/02.06.shtml
[07:42] <woodywarty> Thanks BiteMeBill
[07:42] <BiteMeBill> woodywarty: your welcome
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> is kde 3.4 in the repos ?
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> hoary
[07:45] <OrangeSlice> "apt-cache search kde"
[07:45] <KuroiShi> hypa7ia, still around?
[07:45] <bzbb> where is the best place to ask a stupidly simple c programming question
[07:45] <Teal`c> #c
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: no! openoffice.org and openoffice.org2 were two diff. packages. so i am assuming that kde3.4 have some other name
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> bzbb: /join #bzbb-c
[07:46] <OrangeSlice> hence the search
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: search ownt show package version. and search gives /hundreds/ of results
[07:47] <OrangeSlice> pipe it through grep ^^
[07:47] <bzbb> da_bon_bon, done
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> bzbb: well, u created the channel. so just wish to yourself that someone who has time to waste joins it and u ask him.. :D ;)
[07:47] <bzbb> hah hah hah
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: grep what ?
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> apt-cache search kde | grep "K Desktop Environment"
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> 6 results
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> that should do it
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> you can apt-cache info <package> to view specific information, including what version(s) are in the repository
[07:50] <OrangeSlice> er, not info... hell, what was it
[07:50] <OrangeSlice> show
[07:50] <OrangeSlice> apt-cache show <package>
[07:50] <BiteMeBill> apt-get -q <package>   ?
[07:52] <BiteMeBill> guess -q is for a different distro.
[07:53] <OrangeSlice> whoa, unicode
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> I haven't gotten that working in xchat yet :(
[07:54] <cafuego> typical
[07:55] <OrangeSlice> heh
[07:55] <OrangeSlice> guess I fixed his problem :p
[07:55] <bzbb> I just tried to build a 5 line c program and I get http://rafb.net/paste/results/Kq10JP21.html
[07:55] <bzbb> in hoary
[07:56] <bzbb> nm
[07:56] <Amaranth> Teal`c: ...
[07:56] <bzbb> I suck
[07:56] <KuroiShi> pass it over here Teal`c
[07:59] <ells> I have a question concerning Gtk
[07:59] <ells> anyone home
[08:00] <OrangeSlice> some of us were around a few minutes ago
[08:00] <KuroiShi> maybe
[08:00] <ells> I have a question concerning Gtk
[08:00] <OrangeSlice> You said that already
[08:00] <KuroiShi> ask your question and then we'll decide if we're around or not.  We're Schrodingers support channel.
[08:00] <Amaranth> Ooh, I know what the question is!
[08:00] <ells> well, do you thing you can help
[08:00] <ells> thanks
[08:01] <ells> this is what comes up
[08:01] <Amaranth> ells: Not unless you ask.
[08:01] <ells> Amaranth, hi how r u doing
[08:01] <zenrox> hello ells
[08:01] <ells> zenrox, what is up
[08:01] <zenrox> not much
[08:01] <ells> I am getting an error when I try to install dvdrip from source
[08:01] <zenrox> hahahaha
[08:01] <zenrox> ells why not get off the repos
[08:02] <ells> i tried, but it wont let me
[08:02] <_jon_> Amaranth: wht u mean? IRC != AIM
[08:02] <_jon_> hah
[08:02] <zenrox> lets diganose that errors its easer to fix
[08:02] <zenrox> ells
[08:02] <ells> zenrox, yes
[08:03] <ells> zenrox, do you want to see them
[08:03] <zenrox>  dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.14) but it is not going to be installed
[08:03] <zenrox>  <--it does this right
[08:03] <ells> yeap, that is what i get
[08:04] <OrangeSlice> I thought it was a Gtk question
[08:04] <_jon_> you need to add the marillat mirror
[08:04] <ells> can you give it to me, thought i already had it
[08:05] <zenrox> ells you can get it off of thw wiki
[08:05] <zenrox> thw-thw
[08:05] <zenrox> thw-the
[08:05] <OrangeSlice> nice
[08:05] <ells> zenrox, here is what i have for marillat, deb ftp://FTP.Nerim.Net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:05] <OrangeSlice> ohh capitals
[08:05] <zenrox> ells ya thats it
[08:06] <zenrox>  you need all of them
[08:06] <ells> it wont let me get dvdrip with this
[08:06] <ells> okay
[08:06] <ells> how many marillat sources are there
[08:06] <zenrox> unstable stable and testing
[08:06] <zenrox> all same url and deb
[08:06] <GammaRay> in a makefile.. how do you tell it to not show a command, only the output?
[08:06] <ells> okay
[08:07] <ells> zenrox, do you have the exact url so I can get the sources
[08:07] <zenrox> ells that wont help any way
[08:07] <zenrox> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:07] <ells> zenrox, thanks
[08:07] <zenrox> just casue i get that error and i have thoes allready
[08:08] <Teal`c> anybody know how i stop nautilus from respawning in gnome ?
[08:08] <Amaranth> So it's "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"?
[08:08] <Teal`c> i just want the thing to die but it keeps loading back up.. i looked around gconf-editor but couldnt find much
[08:09] <zenrox> yes Amaranth
[08:09] <Amaranth> Teal`c: Um, nautilus handles drawing the desktop.
[08:09] <Teal`c> ya.. i'm fine with it not drawing it
[08:09] <OrangeSlice> lol
[08:10] <dbjh> how can see a file from windows media player in ubuntu?
[08:10] <Amaranth> +learn marillat is Put "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" (without quotes) in your sources.list.
[08:10] <Teal`c> <-k6-3 400, 384 megs ram...  just not enough horseys to keep extra stuff like nautilus going
[08:11] <Amaranth> Teal`c: Use Xfce then.
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> or fluxbox
[08:11] <Teal`c> No.
[08:11] <_jon_> anybody else having a problem with gnome causing the system to crash while loading
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> uh... no
[08:12] <zenrox> ells the one on the resporty is broke its missing packages if (i think ) your using hoary
[08:12] <_jon_> yea
[08:12] <OrangeSlice> mmm stable :p
[08:12] <zenrox> hoay has not broke me yet
[08:12] <OrangeSlice> actually, I'm kind of half-running hoary.
[08:12] <zenrox> hoary
[08:12] <OrangeSlice> bunch of libs are installed from it, including gtk+
[08:13] <itga_> where can I get Hoary?
[08:13] <OrangeSlice> but the system core and gnome are still from warty, and I don't feel comfortable upgrading to hoary until it's stable, since this is my main (and only) pc
[08:13] <_jon_> itga_: in your /etc/apt/sources.list change warty to hoary
[08:13] <ells> zenrox, i am using warty
[08:13] <OrangeSlice> and I have gigs upon gigs of things I can't afford to lose :p
[08:13] <_jon_> and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:13] <ells> I added the other marillat source and it still did not work
[08:14] <itga_> _jon_: Thx, It's like Debian
[08:14] <_jon_> basically
[08:33] <varsis> weird, i've been searching for the paramater to pass the Warty installer to use a 2.4 kernel and I just can't find it, it's not lin24, linux24, linux2.4, lin2.4... was it taken out and only 2.6 usable?
[08:35] <Hannes_> varsis: only 2.6
[08:35] <varsis> weird, thought i passed a 2.4 option one time. Ahwell, thanks
[08:49] <BrianAnthony> how would I do a full dist. upgrade?
[08:49] <BrianAnthony> I changed my sources.list from warty to hoary
[08:50] <BrianAnthony> and I ran a apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:50] <BrianAnthony> but it didn't do anything moajor
[08:50] <BrianAnthony> major, even
[08:53] <Vjaz> BrianAnthony: apt-get update first
[08:54] <BrianAnthony> will that upgrade the kernel and shit like that?
[08:54] <Vjaz> BrianAnthony: no, apt-get update will just update your apt-get database
[08:54] <BrianAnthony> I know hoary is (supposed to be?) running 2.6.10, if I remember right
[08:54] <Vjaz> BrianAnthony: after the update, run dist-upgrade
[08:54] <BrianAnthony> oh
[08:54] <BrianAnthony> oh
[08:54] <BrianAnthony> I did run update
[08:55] <BrianAnthony> I'm really tired, sorry
[08:55] <BrianAnthony> I know it doens't upgrade anything
[08:55] <BrianAnthony> I ran it afer I edited my sources.list, yes.
[08:55] <BrianAnthony> I should have included that.
[08:55] <Vjaz> oh
[08:55] <BrianAnthony> after I ran both commands it only upgrade python and a little part of X
[08:55] <BrianAnthony> or something
[08:56] <BrianAnthony> it was an X drivers specs, I believe
[08:56] <Vjaz> did it say it was _not_ upgrading some packages?
[08:57] <Vjaz> and also, was the python version 2.4?
[08:57] <sid77> ciao
[09:00] <sap> hi, anyone know how i stop 'declare -x SHELL="/bin/sh"' appearing each time I open a new shell?
[09:14] <shock> moin
[09:20] <nayfnu> Oh my WORD setting up dri shouldn't be as easy as this :)
[09:21] <Ribs> nayfnu: ex Gentoo user?
[09:21] <nayfnu> Ribs: ex slackware ;)
[09:21] <nayfnu> And Mandrake as well - that was a nightmare too
[09:21] <Ribs> ah
[09:21] <Ribs> I find Mandrake to be pretty easy
[09:22] <dbjh> what happens when you have audio and it stops working
[09:22] <nayfnu> I was all set for a nice struggle with configs and kernel rebuilds
[09:22] <nayfnu> Now I'll have to do some work
[09:22] <dbjh> can anybody help me
[09:23] <nayfnu> What's up dbjh?
[09:23] <dbjh> my audio was working and suddenly stopped
[09:25] <nayfnu> OK - what were you doing when it stopped?
[09:25] <dbjh> i was updating from the commnad prompt
[09:26] <nayfnu> What were you updating?
[09:27] <dbjh> the common commands sudo apt-get update
  r u running hpary?
[09:28] <shock> the probably polyaudio got u too
[09:28] <dbjh> no
[09:28] <shock> hm
[09:28] <dbjh> i am running totem
[09:28] <shock> then i dont know - check if your modules are loaded
[09:28] <dbjh> ok
[09:29] <kakalto> how can I stop an application?
[09:29] <kakalto> I have an app currently streaming music to a file
[09:29] <shock> killall nameofapplication :P
[09:29] <kakalto> and I don't want to damage the file
[09:29] <shock> oh dunno then
[09:29] <membreya> kakalto: if you killall it then it will hurt it :)
[09:30] <kakalto> membreya, I guessed by the 'kill' part :P
[09:30] <kakalto> it's under the terminal
[09:30] <membreya> :P
[09:30] <kakalto> so if I push ctrl+C
[09:30] <kakalto> would it damage the files
[09:30] <kakalto> *file
[09:31] <nichea> hi there - can anyone tell me how to remove kernel modules in ubuntu in such a way that they're not reloaded on reboot?
[09:31] <kakalto> isn't that in the file /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:31] <kakalto> just add on the end of the file which modules you don't want to load on startup
[09:31] <Amaranth> remove them from /etc/modules
[09:31] <kakalto> or that
[09:32] <nichea> well - they're not in /etc/modules
[09:32] <nichea> so blacklisting is evtl. the way to go, since modprobe -r doesn't preserve the unloading
[09:32] <kakalto> add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, reboot, and tell us if it worked, yeah?
[09:32] <kakalto> evtl?
[09:33] <shock> if he stilll can :P
[09:33] <nichea> well there are 2 computers over here ;-) evtl=eventually..
[09:34] <kakalto> lucky you, having 2 comps.... I only have 3 in this room
[09:34] <bjugis> blacklist didn't work for me =/
[09:34] <kakalto> worked for me
[09:34] <bjugis> I had to recompile the kernel.
[09:34] <kakalto> :(
[09:36] <bjugis> I tried it on a module called hpt366. So I added "hpt366" in the blacklist file. Isn't it the right way to do it ?
[09:37] <nichea> bjugis: that's the way i'm trying to now...
[09:38] <bjugis> Then we will see =)
[09:39] <nichea> didn't work for me as well :(
[09:39] <nichea> are we doing something wrong here?
[09:39] <mebaran151> hey
[09:40] <mebaran151> anyone know how to logout of a gnome-session by cli
[09:40] <mebaran151> I would like to know the logout command
[09:40] <mebaran151> that gnome-executes when you tell it to logout
[09:40] <mebaran151> (use for goodnight xmms)
[09:41] <klemmm> you can do "killall xmms"  then :)
[09:41] <mebaran151> I could
[09:41] <mebaran151> but I want it to logout
[09:41] <mebaran151> I mean the little timer
[09:41] <mebaran151> that XMMS has
[09:41] <mebaran151> afer like 20 mins
[09:41] <mebaran151> I just want it to logoff
[09:42] <eli> anyone in here using hoary hedgehog?
[09:43] <eli> hola
[09:43] <eli> daar zijn eimand?
[09:44] <mebaran151> I am on Hoary
[09:44] <membreya> eli: yup using hoary
[09:44] <shock> me too
[09:44] <mebaran151> so nobody knows how to make my system lgout out to gdm
[09:44] <mebaran151> just by command
[09:44] <shock> nope
[09:44] <eli> are you guys using wireless?
[09:44] <mebaran151> nothing like logout gnome or something
[09:44] <shock> not me
[09:44] <membreya> eli: I was yes
[09:44] <membreya> but I hate wireless
[09:44] <yhonatan__> eli
[09:44] <mebaran151> my dell worked
[09:44] <mebaran151> after I beat it a couple times
[09:44] <shock> probably something like a parameter to gnome-session?
[09:45] <mebaran151> yah
[09:45] <mebaran151> I thought that
[09:45] <membreya> i even had an acx1111 card :P
[09:45] <eli> i have an engenious wlan card. trouble working recognizing
[09:45] <membreya> eli: what does dmesg say?
[09:45] <eli> i try iwconfig and it says no wlan card noted
[09:45] <eli> let me try it again
[09:45] <eli> one moment
[09:46] <eli> no wireless extension it says
[09:46] <eli> i tried ndis wrapper, but i have found out it is not readily available for 64 bit systems
[09:46] <mebaran151> oh 64 bit systems
[09:46] <mebaran151> haha
[09:46] <mebaran151> good luck
[09:46] <eli> :(
[09:46] <mebaran151> the real problem is I think
[09:46] <eli> thanks
[09:47] <mebaran151> that the hardware manufactures
[09:47] <mebaran151> havent written a 64 bit driver
[09:47] <mebaran151> I feel ya
[09:47] <mebaran151> I have an Opteron rig
[09:47] <mebaran151> AMD^$
[09:47] <mebaran151> AMD64
[09:47] <shock> hey mebrane151 - take a peek @ "man gnome-session-save"
[09:47] <shock> =)
[09:47] <mebaran151> ok
[09:47] <mebaran151> cool
[09:47] <shock> ;)
[09:47] <eli> hmm
[09:47] <shock> --kill should do what u want there
[09:47] <eli> i hope something is done about it soon :(
[09:47] <beezly> dang it
[09:48] <mebaran151> eli
[09:48] <beezly> why can't I have a job where it's impossible to work from home
[09:48] <mebaran151> they ported the wrapper
[09:48] <beezly> it makes snow days so much less fun
[09:48] <eli> they ported the wrapper for 64 bit?
[09:48] <mebaran151> it is just the hardware manufacturers need to write drivers for 64 bit windows
[09:48] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:48] <mebaran151> I think ndiswrapper will now compile
[09:48] <eli> thats what i thought
[09:48] <mebaran151> and attach to all the 64 bit drivers
[09:48] <eli> nice. ok one step closer
[09:48] <mebaran151> Windows users have the same problem
[09:48] <mebaran151> I ran WinXP 64 Beta
[09:49] <mebaran151> no drivers
[09:49] <eli> i bet
[09:49] <mebaran151> not even for my ethernet
[09:49] <eli> did win 64 run faster?
[09:49] <mebaran151> Linux covers my ethernet
[09:49] <eli> whoa? really
[09:49] <mebaran151> Win 64 sort of doesnt work
[09:49] <eli> that must be a nightmare
[09:49] <mebaran151> yeah it was
[09:49] <eli> i thought it wouldnt
[09:49] <mebaran151> Win 64 is a mess
[09:49] <eli> i heard that they had a terrible time with the dual core ibm systems
[09:49] <mebaran151> they tried some win32 in a Win64, environment
[09:49] <mebaran151> it needs a little bit of work
[09:49] <eli> i would think so
[09:49] <mebaran151> Linux does a damn good job
[09:49] <mebaran151> like 100 times better really
[09:50] <mebaran151> if I felt like it
[09:50] <eli> i know :) i am impressed with ubuntu
[09:50] <eli> i think the same
[09:50] <mebaran151> I can have a 32 bit chroot running in an hour
[09:50] <mebaran151> and run all the 32 bit apps I want transparently
[09:50] <mebaran151> that aint never happening on windows
[09:50] <eli> nice
[09:50] <eli> i bet
[09:50] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:50] <eli> i still got to try out chroot
[09:50] <mebaran151> the beta was free
[09:50] <mebaran151> but I couldnt get anything to run
[09:50] <mebaran151> Solataire crashed
[09:50] <eli> i would imagine
[09:50] <mebaran151> I mean come on MS
[09:51] <mebaran151> you got to make the definitive computer program run
[09:51] <mebaran151> Solataire
[09:51] <eli> wow.. thats bad
[09:51] <mebaran151> I woudl have thought they woudl have ported it
[09:51] <mebaran151> speed might have been faster
[09:51] <mebaran151> but I really didnt have anything to test it with
[09:51] <mebaran151> I ended up trying to make cygwin work
[09:51] <eli> thats true, well i got to run off (duty calls) thanks for the tips
[09:51] <mebaran151> compiled for 64 bit
[09:51] <mebaran151> ok
[09:51] <mebaran151> see you eli
[09:51] <mebaran151> good luck
[09:52] <eli> see you
[10:19] <dbjh> i want to delete a database in ubuntu does anybody know?
[10:22] <rubixXx> how do i stop a service
[10:24] <scizzo> rubixXx: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[10:24] <scizzo> rubixXx: try to find your answer there first
[10:25] <scizzo> rubixXx: if you just want it to stop for now...just do: sudo /etc/init.d/<service> stop
[10:25] <scizzo> rubixXx: but you should look at the guide
[10:35] <shock> hey guys - is there any good gtk-based editor for tex ?
[10:35] <shock> like texshop under mac?
[10:49] <feles> hi
[10:49] <feles> can you help me?
[10:50] <feles> my problem is: dparm -d1 /dev/hda
[10:50] <feles> /dev/hda:
[10:50] <feles>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[10:50] <feles>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:50] <feles>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[10:50] <Gagatan> feles: are you doing this as root?
[10:50] <feles> yes
[10:50] <feles> root@ubuntu:/home/feles # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[10:50] <feles> /dev/hda:
[10:50] <feles>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[10:50] <feles>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:50] <feles>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[10:50] <feles> root@ubuntu:/home/feles #
[10:51] <feles> i have no idea
[10:51] <pisuke> feles, try hdparm -i /dev/hda to see the capabilities of your drive
[10:52] <feles> root@ubuntu:/home/feles # hdparm -i /dev/hda
[10:52] <feles> /dev/hda:
[10:52] <feles>  Model=Maxtor 6Y120L0, FwRev=YAR41BW0, SerialNo=Y34EWY1E
[10:52] <feles>  Config={ Fixed }
[10:52] <feles>  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
[10:52] <feles>  BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
[10:52] <feles>  CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=240121728
[10:52] <feles>  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
[10:52] <feles>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
[10:52] <feles>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[10:52] <feles>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 udma6
[10:52] <feles>  AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled
[10:52] <feles>  Drive conforms to: (null):
[10:52] <feles>  * signifies the current active mode
[10:52] <feles> root@ubuntu:/home/feles #
[10:53] <monoxide> on the topic of harddrives, one of mine wont mount properly from /etc/fstab
[10:53] <nemesis_rebirth> hi here
[10:54] <feles> i have same problem on other drives
[10:54] <cowbud> monoxide: care to be more specific IE error you get and what the fstab entry looks like?
[10:54] <monoxide> the error is something along the lines of that it is not a valid block device.
[10:55] <pisuke> feles, the drive seems capable. maybe the controller it's not well supported
[10:55] <cowbud> monoxide: yah you probably have it point to /dev/hda instead of say /dev/hda1
[10:55] <pisuke> feles, try the horay live cd
[10:55] <monoxide> the fstab line is: /dev/sda4       /pub            ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:55] <feles> hmm, i have asus P4C800 deluxe mainboard, with intel875 chip
[10:55] <cowbud> monoxide: and you are sure that is a valid ext2 FS ?
[10:56] <monoxide> it only happens at boot time. i can go into single user mode and execute `mount -a` and it works fine
[10:56] <monoxide> it is an ext2 fs, as to if it is valid, mount -a works fine and mounts it. is there some way i can check if it is valid?
[10:56] <cowbud> hrmm sounds like a module issue..i.e. the module needed isn't loaded before the mounts which sounds insane for ext2..
[10:56] <cowbud> if mount -a mounts it it is valid..
[10:56] <cowbud> to be redundant redundant
[10:56] <monoxide> its on a sata drive if that makes a difference
[10:57] <cowbud> ahh
[10:57] <cowbud> there is your issue
[10:57] <cowbud> the module for sata isn't loaded before it tries to mount it
[10:57] <monoxide> i added the sata module to /etc/modules when i was on warty, before i updated to hoary
[10:57] <monoxide> and the sata entry is still there
[10:57] <monoxide> sata_via
[10:58] <pisuke> feles, google about linux kernel support for i875
[10:58] <feles> ok
[10:58] <cowbud> yah that won't make a diff it goes through mounting drives before the modules are loaded..
[10:58] <cowbud> you would either need to have it in your initrd image or compile it in to the kernel..
[10:58] <monoxide> so how would i fix it? it worked perfect on warty...
[10:59] <cowbud> well submit a bug and tell them that maybe they changed a way they make the images in hoary if you fix it though you will have to refix it everytime you update a kernel..
[11:00] <feles> i hear that, the PIIX in kernel isn't works good in module
[11:00] <cowbud> monoxide: are you using a specific platform kernel? e.g. 686 or Athlon blah..
[11:00] <pisuke> feles, I have no problem here with my centrino i855
[11:01] <monoxide> 386 kernel i think
[11:01] <monoxide> but im on an athalon
[11:01] <pisuke> maybe i875 is too new
[11:01] <pisuke> try the horay live cd
[11:01] <feles> yes, but fedora core that works
[11:01] <pisuke> and see if there it has support
[11:01] <monoxide> yea, im running the i386 kernel. i am on an amd athalon machine though.
[11:01] <cowbud> monoxide: well you could try a different kernel and maybe the sata module is included in the initrd..
[11:02] <pisuke> feles, what kernel?
[11:02] <feles> 2.6.9 and 2.6.10
[11:02] <monoxide> how would i change the kernel?
[11:02] <cowbud> monoxide: apt-get install a different one then when you reboot choose the newly installed kernel..
[11:02] <pisuke> feles, warty runs 2.6.8
[11:02] <Neil3> monoxide, sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[11:02] <feles> hmm, i try the hoary
[11:03] <cowbud> monoxide: like if you wanted to try say the AMD optimized image apt-get install linux-k7 as Neil3 just said :)
[11:03] <Neil3> ;)
[11:03] <monoxide> so, will that then have both installed? or will it replace the 386 kernel?
[11:03] <cowbud> both..
[11:03] <Neil3> i have a question about that, can i find info about exactly what is optimised for amd in that kernel?
[11:04] <Neil3> monoxide, yeah its alongside your current kernel
[11:04] <monoxide> do i need to add the k7 kernel to grub?
[11:04] <cowbud> monoxide: nope apt will do it..
[11:04] <Neil3> nope it gets added for you
[11:04] <cowbud> haha the race for answers
[11:04] <Neil3> hehe
[11:04] <monoxide> hehe
[11:04] <Neil3> keyboard's a smokin
[11:05] <monoxide> im on dialup so theres really no rush... its gonna take the next 30 mins to download... :P
[11:05] <monoxide> or rather 1:30...
[11:05] <monoxide> then another 1:30 of updates...
[11:06] <cowbud> haha :) yah tasty dial up
[11:06] <monoxide> packages etc are shared between the kernels arent they?
[11:06] <feles> ok, thanks, i try the hoary
[11:06] <feles> bye
[11:06] <rubixXx> monoxide): what up ninja
[11:06] <rubixXx> monoxide): i see u switched from mandrake to ubuntu as well?
[11:06] <rexiboy> hello all
[11:07] <monoxide> hmmmm? i was never using mandrake? i have mandrake 9 though
[11:07] <monoxide> never used it though
[11:07] <Neil3> Linux neilnix 2.6.8.1-5-k7 #1 Sat Feb 12 01:54:50 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:07] <Neil3> :)
[11:07] <rexiboy> quick question: how do i get the "memory" back to term? so it remember what i type b 4?
[11:08] <cowbud> monoxide: when you say packages if you mean programs like X and firefox etc then yes...
[11:08] <cowbud> those are Linux applications that run on the linux kernel
[11:08] <monoxide> you got me mixed up with someone else rubixXx ;)
[11:09] <rexiboy> i forgot... :(
[11:09] <monoxide> cool :)
[11:10] <monoxide> just out of interest.... the 386 and 686 kernels run on amd, but does the k7 kernel run on pentium?
[11:10] <rexiboy> so i take it no one knows the answer...
[11:10] <rexiboy> monoxide, why would you want to do that?
[11:11] <rexiboy> it would probably run but not optimized
[11:11] <tga> I'd expect it to run, just maybe slower
[11:11] <fsc> anybody playing around with xserver's xglx server?
[11:11] <monoxide> i wouldnt, i was just wondering.
[11:11] <rexiboy> fsc, ?
[11:12] <Neil3> well those chips are all x86 architechture
[11:12] <Neil3> with enhancements here and there
[11:12] <rexiboy> with different instructions
[11:12] <monoxide> sometimes my thinking is not always the smartest ideas ever
[11:13] <rexiboy> monoxide, just get it out, you never know when you hit a good one! :)
[11:13] <fsc> rexiboy, http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fXgl
[11:13] <rexiboy> fsc, checking...
[11:13] <monoxide> so, theoretically it would work, you would just never do it? :P
[11:14] <rexiboy> monoxide, yes
[11:14] <Neil3> fsc, so thats a way of making x use opengl for everything?
[11:15] <monoxide> hmmmm... the k7 kernel is larger than the 386 kernel...
[11:15] <fsc> Neil3, yes, pretty much from what i understand.  i can't get it to work from a console though
[11:15] <Neil3> ah
[11:15] <Neil3> looks like something to watch
[11:15] <rexiboy> fsc, what's the idea? a panther like?
[11:15] <rexiboy> what about resources?
[11:16] <fsc> http://www.nat.org/2005/february/#9-February-2005
[11:18] <Neil3> thats sweet
[11:18] <rexiboy> noice...
[11:18] <rexiboy> panther is coming to linux :)
[11:19] <rexiboy> try DR17 it is beautiful from what i see...
[11:19] <Neil3> ya
[11:19] <fsc> yeah, was thinking about E17 cvs, but wanted to try this because it fits in with the existing gnome desktop
[11:21] <fsc> i've compiled everything. i just can't get it to run unless i'm already in an existing gnome-session and then it's slow
[11:21] <scizzo> anyone else that has problems to get into X in hoary?
[11:22] <scizzo> GDM is fine.....logging in....then Crash...and nothing works anymore...I can't even go Ctrl+Alt+F1 to do a trace
[11:22] <monoxide> only when i had an incorrect config, but that was my fault
[11:23] <rexiboy> scizzo, when you get the gdm log into a fail safe comand line, do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, it might help
[11:24] <monoxide> would changeing my kernel possibly fix the problems iv been having with my sound on linux?
[11:25] <rexiboy> monoxide, did you have a look on the forums? are you comfertable playing with kernel now?
[11:25] <scizzo> rexiboy: been there done that
[11:25] <scizzo> rexiboy: I have tried but it seems to be something weird with the log now
[11:25] <scizzo> rexiboy: it says that the usb stuff is weird
[11:26] <scizzo> bbl
[11:26] <monoxide> as long as its just with apt ;)
[11:26] <monoxide> i havent checked the forum because alot of my bandwidth has been taken up with updates.... :/
[11:27] <rexiboy> scizzo, mmm was it working b 4? to what point? did you install anything?
[11:28] <rexiboy> see ya
[11:30] <scizzo> yupp....its the usb stuff that is the problem
[11:30] <scizzo> bug report after lunch
[11:32] <Cube-ness> grr.. all the kernels with inotify panic when the hotplug stuff tries to init
[11:34] <jesper> Hi.. a collegue of mine have just installed Ubuntu.. but grub failed to boot the XP installation afterwards..
[11:34] <jesper> Any quick fixes?
[11:37] <fsc> jesper, sounds like he has to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:41] <jesper> fsc, any recommendations on how?
[11:41] <monoxide> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:41] <monoxide> dont ask me what to add though
[11:41] <lupusBE> I need a good sgml editor
[11:42] <lupusBE> does anyone know one?
[11:42] <Papsen> any bluetooth experts here? I don't get Nautilus to open the "bluetooth:///". I do not have "send via bluetooth" in the right-click menu either. I am using Hoary.
[11:42] <jesper> Ok, vil fdisk /mbr from windows-rescue bring back his XP installation?
[11:44] <jesper> s/vil/will/
[11:44] <stvn> jesper: it will make ubuntu unaccasible
[11:44] <Papsen> I've apt-geted anything in the ubuntu repositories that has to do with bluetooth and gnome-vfs
[11:45] <jesper> stvn, that doesn't matter at the moment. Ubuntu didn't configure X proper either, and he's not geeky enough to do that by himself.
[11:46] <monoxide> ok, can someone please explain to me why IDE and SCSI support is compiled into the kernel but SATA support is not?
[11:47] <stvn> jesper: then it'll restore the windows bootloader yees
[11:47] <membreya> monoxide: SATA is from scsi :)
[11:47] <jesper> stvn, thanks..
[11:48] <monoxide> membreya, then why the hell is SATA called IDE150? and why does SATA not work standard? does explain the whole /dev/sda thing though...
[11:49] <membreya> monoxide: nforce chipset?
[11:49] <monoxide> via
[11:50] <monoxide> mine is a via chipset
[11:50] <membreya> can't help with that one then :P
[11:50] <membreya> what's your dmesg |grep ide say?
[11:51] <monoxide> what about it?
[11:52] <membreya> where is it calling it ide150?
[11:53] <monoxide> ATA150 sorry...
[11:53] <monoxide> and ide is ata100...
[11:56] <membreya> gah
[11:56] <membreya> why can't people write decent cd burning software for the amd64 arch
[11:57] <monoxide> there is decent linux cd burning software?
[11:58] <membreya> gnomebaker :)
[11:58] <membreya> well it's better than cdrecord
[11:58] <membreya> and nautilus
[11:59] <monoxide> i dont know. i do my cd burning on windows
[12:00] <membreya> lo Nermal  :)
[12:00] <monoxide> along with music, since i cant get the sound on this box working properly...
[12:00] <Nermal> lo membreya :)
[12:00] <membreya> only thing I do in windows is transcode divx and xvid to mpeg and burn to DVD
[12:00] <membreya> and that's only cos I havent worked on it yet in linux
[12:00] <membreya> but apparently its crap
[12:01] <membreya> after Lost has finished I wont need it tho
[12:02] <monoxide> have you thought of doing that in wine on linux?
[12:03] <membreya> only been using it for about 2 weeks
[12:03] <membreya> :)
[12:03] <membreya> goddamn
[12:03] <membreya> last 48 hours
[12:03] <Papsen> arghh.. why don't I get bluetooth support into nautilus. I have installed everything in every howto I can find
[12:03] <membreya> 4 1/2 hours sleep
[12:04] <Nermal> Papsen, gnome-vfs should give you bluetooth:///
[12:05] <Papsen> Nermal: it doesn't. do I have to do anything to enable it?
[12:05] <aurax> hello
[12:06] <aurax> im running ubuntu warty and i was wondering if there is some kind of application that can make image backup from my hd so i could reload it automaticlly some how later on
[12:07] <Papsen> nermal: is there a package named just gnome-vfs? I have install gnome-vfs-extfs, gnome-vfs-extras and the libgnomevfs-packages I could find.
[12:07] <monoxide> Papsen, reset your machine?
[12:07] <Papsen> monoxide: have been struggling with this for some days. have reset it a lot of times. :)
[12:08] <membreya> hmmmm gnomebaker is looking for libvorbis.pc
[12:08] <pybe-lappy> aurax: dd if=/dev/hdx of=myhdimage
[12:08] <membreya> anyone know where i can get /libvorbis-devel
[12:08] <monoxide> just wondering...
[12:09] <Papsen> well.. will try resetting once more. have installed some different versions of some packages.
[12:09] <aurax> pybe-lappy, is it possible to make another partition so i could reload the image if the os get messed up?
[12:09] <pybe-lappy> aurax: i guess, never tried. do some googleing if its ok to do someone will have written about it
[12:10] <kroon> Anyone know a way to change which ports gnome-bittorrent uses ?
[12:11] <monoxide> apt-get is giving me the message: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[12:11] <monoxide> is this serious?
[12:17] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:20] <jesper> Is it possible to do a "fdisk /mbr" from linux?
[12:21] <Nermal> hmm.. sortof
[12:21] <Nermal> there is a tool I can't remember the name of or you could use dd :|
[12:21] <Papsen> *sigh* Why don't this bluetooth:///-thing work on my 'puter?
[12:24] <Nermal> Papsen, try gnome-vfs-extras
[12:24] <Papsen> nermal: already tried that.
[12:29] <membreya> hurrah for linux
[12:29] <membreya> compiling your own programs kicks a$$ :)
[12:29] <membreya> just compiled gnomebaker
[12:29] <Xappe> i just recompiled mplayer with alsa support
[12:30] <membreya> that a good thing? :)
[12:30] <Xappe> yes
[12:31] <mmuller> membreya, graveman is better !
[12:31] <mmuller> :)
[12:31] <mmuller> okay who can help with missing kernel-modules ? in hoary
[12:32] <mmuller> trying to install the latest greatest savage drivers, but the install script complains about missing headers
[12:32] <membreya> so get the haders mmuller
[12:33] <membreya> sudo apt-get install <kernel-headers>
[12:33] <|QuaD-> are we looking at an eta for beagle and/or dashboard?
[12:35] <mmuller> done that but the script says they aint there membreya
[12:35] <membreya> mmuller: then you need to edit your repos
[12:35] <membreya> or you've downloaded them >?
[12:36] <membreya> erm...exactly what does graveman do that gnomebaker doesnt?
[12:36] <allan> finally i find a almost perfect linux distribution, and it is so buggy that i can't use it. i upgraded from warty because nautilus stopped working. and now, with hoary, gnome freezes completely each time i log in. and i mean completely, my machine freezes so that i have to poweroff
[12:36] <membreya> allan: what kernel?
[12:36] <mmuller> i have them downloaded but others mention that there are probs with symlinks to them
[12:36] <membreya> so fix your syms mmuller
[12:36] <membreya> allan: there's been a problem with the latest release of the kernel in hoary
[12:37] <allan> membreya, 2.6.10
[12:37] <scizzo> allan: using anything like a USB mouse or something?
[12:37] <allan> scizzo, synaptics touch pad
[12:37] <mmuller> mem, how ?!
[12:37] <scizzo> allan: no mouse?
[12:37] <scizzo> allan: I mean a USB thingy?
[12:37] <membreya> allan: go to a console and do a cat /proc/version
[12:38] <scizzo> allan: anything with USB?
[12:38] <membreya> what version is it there?
[12:38] <|QuaD-> allan: odd, i haven't really encountered any bugs
[12:38] <membreya> mmuller: delete the old syms and do an ln -s
[12:38] <allan> scizzo, i dont have any usb devices connected now
[12:38] <mmuller> membreya, huh ?
[12:38] <allan> membreya, uhm.. i would have to restart to check. but i know i am using the 2.6.10
[12:38] <membreya> allan:
[12:38] <membreya> go to a console
[12:38] <scizzo> well I could login when I removed everything that has to do with USB from my laptop
[12:39] <scizzo> restarted the machine
[12:39] <scizzo> and then I could login
[12:39] <membreya> applications > system tools > terminal
[12:39] <scizzo> when the USB stuff was connected everything froze
[12:39] <membreya> then do a cat /proc/versions
[12:39] <membreya> then do a cat /proc/version
[12:40] <allan> membreya, ok, i would have to restart in linux to do it. but what is it that i should discover while catting /proc/version do you mean ?
[12:41] <allan> hmm, on google i found someone who solved a problem with gnome freezing by chmod -x /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server
[12:41] <membreya> Linux version 2.6.10-3-amd64-generic  <--- I'm thinking yours will be 2.6.10-4
[12:41] <membreya> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16681&page=3&pp=10
[12:41] <blah09> morning, anyone else have problems with the latest kernel?
[12:41] <membreya> there you go guys :)
[12:41] <membreya> blah09: which problem ? :P
[12:41] <membreya> gnome locking?
[12:41] <blah09> yep, was just gonna click on the link =)
[12:41] <blah09> so im not the only one..
[12:42] <membreya> nope :D
[12:42] <blah09> 2.6.11-1 it also locks
[12:42] <membreya> most people are throwing themselves back to -3 for a while
[12:42] <blah09> me too
[12:43] <membreya> :)
[12:43] <dtyge1> hi all. For god's sake, I cannot install apache-php4-mysql in ubuntu! Please, some help...
[12:43] <membreya> i had no problems...but ive had 4 hours sleep in the last 2 nights...i cbf getting nvidia working
[12:43] <dtyge1> I've been trying it for one week, without success!
[12:44] <membreya> oh
[12:44] <snowblink> membreya: just looking at that thread. Aren't the previous versions of the kernel just a grub selection away?
[12:44] <membreya> guess i never got to gnome then :P
[12:44] <membreya> snowblink: yup :) unless people removed it :P
[12:44] <blah09> =(
[12:44] <blah09> just apt-get it again, cant you?
[12:45] <membreya> yurp
[12:45] <dtyge1> blah09: are talking to me?
[12:45] <membreya> just apt-get the image
[12:45] <blah09> membreya
[12:45] <dtyge1> ok
[12:45] <membreya> tho ive discovered in my 2 weeks in linux..when you upgade your kernel dont immediately delete your old one :P
[12:47] <blah09> lol =)
[12:47] <aurax> pybe-lappy,
[12:47] <membreya> lol
[12:47] <aurax> is rescue disk is the right phrase for what i asked u earlier ?
[12:47] <membreya> snowblink: other fix seems to be -noinotify in grub
[12:47] <blah09> hm i might try the noinotify tag
[12:47] <membreya> :)
[12:48] <membreya> who needs hotpluggable blah09 :P
[12:49] <aurax> who can help me with something, i want to create a cd/partition of the system image with some kind of multi-boot (if possible) to re-load the system if its crashing
[12:50] <pybe-lappy> aurax: yep
[12:50] <aurax> oh cool
[12:50] <blah09> lol
[12:51] <dtyge1> Well, Ubuntu just doesn't want to be a local server for web testing? There is no way to install apache-php-mysql? Nobody has this experience?
[12:51] <pybe-lappy> aurax: there are a bunch of rescue tools about
[12:52] <pybe-lappy> aurax: most come in the format of a live cd etc
[12:52] <pybe-lappy> aurax: one such "cloning" tool I have seen id g4u
[12:52] <pybe-lappy> aurax: iirc its on the UBCD
[12:53] <aurax> ok
[12:53] <membreya> took me friggin ages to figure out what IIRC means >:( lol
[12:53] <aurax> sec
[12:53] <pybe-lappy> aurax: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[12:54] <aurax> :) thx
[12:55] <pybe-lappy> membreya: http://www.acronymfinder.com/
[12:55] <dud> dtyge1, you can use any of the pre-setup LAMP solutions if you just want a local testbed
[12:55] <pybe-lappy> aurax: np
[12:55] <membreya> lol pybe-lappy ....what fun is that? :)
[12:55] <pybe-lappy> indeed
[12:56] <dud> I'd really recommend http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html as a very easy solution dtyge1
[12:57] <dud> just be aware that its very insecure by default, so it shouldnt be on a public network
[12:57] <Alessio> for report spam with evolution? Should i install spamassasins?
[01:00] <Nermal> or just use thunderbird
[01:00] <Nermal> as it's faster, less bloated, and actually works
[01:00] <Nermal> *ducks*
[01:02] <membreya> hmmm when you compile your own program, how do you then remove it ?
[01:03] <Nermal> make uninstall sometimes works
[01:03] <syltty> using checkinstall compiled programs can be remove like any other deb package
[01:03] <Nermal> ooh
[01:03] <Nermal> showertime :)
[01:04] <membreya> does graveman use cdrecord just like gnomebaker does?
[01:11] <Joan-Baez> i am tryng to install a psybnc on ubuntu but dont work :(
[01:14] <membreya> what program do people use to burn DVDs?
[01:17] <jesper> cdrecord
[01:18] <zombics> how do i update my grub?(i modifided my menu.lst)
[01:20] <syltty> grub is updated after you modify menu.lst
[01:20] <|QuaD-> i am trying to make a cover page in OOwriter.... how do i make it so it won't number the first page (or start numbering at 0, and not display on first page)
[01:23] <pepopo> Good evening all
[01:24] <pepopo> Question Please: I've added cd burner to box with ubuntu installed, How do i get Ubuntu to recognise burner
[01:27] <pepopo> Question Please: I've added cd burner to box with ubuntu installed, How do i get Ubuntu to recognise burner?
[01:28] <jacquesmerde> are any of the people who were helping me with my non-polypaudio sound problem a few days ago here?
[01:31] <albeerto> anyone awake!!!
[01:35] <jacquesmerde> hey, i got a newbie question: can you tell me how to get, how to get to sesame street?
[01:44] <dud> jacquesmerde, sesame street?
[01:44] <dud> isnt that a tv show??
[01:45] <KING^^^> hello all
[01:45] <KING^^^> please help me with this : my music plays too fast
[01:46] <KING^^^> nobody can help me ?
[01:46] <jacquesmerde> umm...stop doing amphetamines?
[01:46] <Feiten> KING^^^, Yes.
[01:47] <Joan-Baez> when i compile something i have all this errors :
[01:47] <Feiten> Tryed changed output plugin? I use alsa-.
[01:47] <KING^^^> yes Feiten
[01:47] <Joan-Baez> src/p_global.h:953: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `log'
[01:47] <Joan-Baez> gcc -I./src/ -I. -c -O -DHAVE_CONFIG -DBIGENDIAN -DIPV6  -DNOSYSTIME  src/p_crypt.c -o src/p_crypt.o
[01:47] <jacquesmerde> alsa is fine, its probably the thrash metal thats a bit out of your favoured tempo
[01:47] <Joan-Baez> what mean?
[01:47] <dud> Feiten, fat boy ;o
[01:47] <Feiten> ;D
[01:47] <Feiten> Thats me dud
[01:47] <Feiten> KING^^^, thaht worked for me.
[01:48] <Feiten> I'm the fatboy around here
[01:48] <Feiten> ;>
[01:48] <dud> hehe
[01:48] <Joan-Baez> whats mean ..........??????????????????????????????????'''
[01:48] <Joan-Baez> this shit ubuntu
[01:48] <KING^^^> for me it's not working , it runs too fast either way
[01:49] <Feiten> KING^^^, tryed all outplugs?
[01:49] <Joan-Baez> Thu Feb 24 13:48:25 :Can't create listening sock on host * port 31337 (bind)
[01:49] <Joan-Baez> Why?
[01:49] <Joan-Baez> what is wrong in this shit ubuntu
[01:49] <dud> Joan-Baez, already in use?
[01:49] <Joan-Baez> no.
[01:50] <KING^^^> yes Feiten
[01:50] <dud> Joan-Baez, 99% of the time with any linux error, the cause can be traced back to the user
[01:50] <Joan-Baez> in ubuntu is all cause shit developers.
[01:50] <Feiten> KING^^^, iam new in ubuntu. So i dont know mutch more, but i just changed plugin..
[01:50] <dud> Joan-Baez, use something else then
[01:51] <KING^^^> for me doesn't work
[01:51] <KING^^^> so ... somebody please help me, one who knows
[01:51] <Joan-Baez> yes i gonna use something else. this african niger , they have nothing to do all the day long and write this shit distro.
[01:51] <KING^^^> my music runs too fast
[01:51] <jacquesmerde> how come upgrade && dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade etc... will keep installing/upgrading packages at each command? shouldnt it reach equilibrium when all the sub-sub-...-sub-sub-dependencies are up to date?
[01:51] <njan> Joan-Baez, you haven't given anyojne here any idea what you're compiling and what you're trying to do.. then you blame ubuntu devs for something which looks suspiciously like a problem with whatever it is you're doing (not ubuntu) and insult people.. probably not the best way to go about getting help :)
[01:52] <membreya> what program do people use to burn DVDs?
[01:52] <SiRrUs> Joan-Baez take you crap and move along
[01:52] <dud> someone permban Joan-Baez for racial remarks please?
[01:52] <dud> any ops around?
[01:52] <SiRrUs> gline more like it
[01:52] <dud> even better
[01:52] <Joan-Baez> dud someone can bann Joan-Baez ?  .. like a baby. wtf.
[01:52] <mjr> membreya, I just use growisofs on command line
[01:52] <njan> Joan-Baez, if I were +o, you would've been banned already.
[01:52] <mjr> membreya, some would use nautilus :)
[01:53] <Joan-Baez> njan if there are no africans developer i will have also a very better day today.
[01:53] <membreya> mjr: doesnt that use cdrecord?
[01:53] <jacquesmerde> Joan-Baez, if i were you mama....
[01:54] <Joan-Baez> ..?
[01:54] <Joan-Baez> yes?
[01:54] <Joan-Baez> jacquesmerde ...
[01:54] <jacquesmerde> Joan-Baez?
[01:55] <jacquesmerde> i swear trollin' used to be a LOT more subtle in my day....where HAS the artform gone...
[01:55] <Joan-Baez> i will only run a psybnc on ubuntu
[01:55] <Joan-Baez> ONLY THAT
[01:56] <Joan-Baez> but .. no, ubuntu will me give 328823283 problems for a shitty one second operation.
[01:56] <njan> pebkac.
[01:56] <afonit> in the comand line, how do you cd to another hard drive?
[01:56] <SiRrUs> well time to ignore
[01:56] <njan> afonit, you have another hard drive in your ubuntu system you use for data/another OS?
[01:56] <Joan-Baez> afonit read rtfm and change distro.
[01:56] <blah09> membreya, try gnomebaker
[01:56] <afonit> data
[01:56] <jacquesmerde> afonit, mount it
[01:56] <jacquesmerde> man mount
[01:56] <membreya> Joan-Baez: if you don't like it ..or if you are not quite intelligent enough to figure it out / google it ..or you can't be polite...
[01:56] <njan> afonit, you'll have to make sure it's mounted
[01:56] <Papsen> argh.. after "apt-get upgrade" just now nautilus is completely dead. Where can I find log information from nautilus?
[01:56] <afonit> then I can cd through the /mnt?
[01:57] <membreya> blah09: got gnomebaker..but it uses cdrecord and cdrecord doesnt support DVD in its raw format
[01:57] <njan> afonit, if you selected it in the installer, you'll have it mounted already. If you don't, you'll need to find out what the designation for it is (/dev/hda1, /dev/hdb1, etc) and add a line to /etc/fstab for it
[01:57] <Joan-Baez> afonit ubuntu is developer by africans that are at least able to ride a elephant. but really know nothing about pc .
[01:57] <blah09> oh =/
[01:57] <afonit> nijan,joan-baez, thank you
[01:57] <SiRrUs> good morning membreya
[01:57] <afonit> lol
[01:57] <Joan-Baez> afonit no problem =)
[01:57] <membreya> aloha SiRrUs :)
[01:57] <njan> nice to see you, Geert :)
[01:57] <njan> /dev/hdaX       /media/store          auto    umask=0,auto,defaults   0       0
[01:57] <njan> something like that, afonit
[01:58] <afonit> thanks njan
[01:58] <membreya> i don't have a /dev/hdax!!! :*(
[01:58] <Joan-Baez> also : mount /dev/elephant /mnt/congo
[01:58] <njan> afonit, where /dev/hdaX is the partition you want to mount. If you stick that in /etc/fstab with the right information, ubuntu'll mount it as /media/store (assuming /media/store exists) always, at startup, with umask=0 (== all users can read and write to it)
[01:59] <jacquesmerde> i dont mean to sound racist like Baez over here, but are some of the ubuntu developers really african? i just assumed they put african people on their promo gear and stuff just to look more diverse and hip than they actually are?
[01:59] <blah09> ubuntu comes from south africa, yes.
[01:59] <dud> matt is a south african I think
[01:59] <dud> but as with any major open source project, its world-wide
[01:59] <jacquesmerde> an afirkaan?
[01:59] <Joan-Baez> jacquesmerde ubuntu is developed in afrikan.
[02:00] <membreya> Joan-Baez: ..please if you're going to be insulting at least do it correctly
[02:00] <Joan-Baez> ubuntu = lol sounds like ZULU!
[02:00] <membreya> it's afrikaan
[02:00] <njan> Joan-Baez, cut it out please.
[02:00] <membreya> Joan-Baez: ubuntu is an african word
[02:00] <blah09> ugh
[02:00] <jacquesmerde> yeah, its one thing to be racist and bigoted, but learn to spell for godssake man, have you no self-respect?
[02:00] <membreya> but if you learnt how to use a web browser I guess you would know that
[02:01] <Joan-Baez> i donno, i have in deny all african hosts
[02:01] <Joan-Baez> so i dont think.. can learn that
[02:01] <membreya> obviously you have all english sites blocked as well
[02:01] <blah09> lol
[02:02] <membreya> all your base are belong to us!@
[02:02] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:02] <Xappe> don't feed the monkeys and they'll go away
[02:02] <membreya> Xappe: you're no fun :(
[02:02] <Joan-Baez> Xappe yeah monkeys leave in afrika!
[02:02] <Joan-Baez> UHgu hgguhg ubuntu
[02:02] <jacquesmerde> is it just me, or is it a sad tren, that when i see companies promoted with afrikaan names and people, etc...i assume its just another whitebread american country going for a we-are-the-world advertising niche?
[02:02] <SiRrUs> Xappe very good advice
[02:02] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:03] <Xappe> membreya, what? I was referring to Joan-Baez
[02:03] <njan> Xappe, well said :)
[02:03] <Joan-Baez> SiRrUs uhuhg this channel sounds like the new-york central zoo
[02:03] <njan> bbiab for some lunch
[02:03] <Papsen> is there a way to install all nautilus-related packages?
[02:03] <blah09> njan, good idea, me too
[02:03] <SiRrUs> Just put the guy on ignore and he goes away
[02:03] <membreya> jacquesmerde: would you prefer to call it "super strong monster truck world wrestling champion linux" ???
[02:03] <membreya> Joan-Baez: it smells like a zoo in here as well since you came in
[02:04] <Madkiss> I presume he would prefer "super strong monster truck world wrestling champion superbowl navy linux"
[02:04] <membreya> hehehe Madkiss :P
[02:04] <CardinalSin> Ubuntu is part finianced by Mark Shuttleworth, who is an African, and there are African people working on it at all levels, of all races.
[02:04] <Madkiss> Whatsoever. Joan-Baez, it looks like you would better be off with getting outta here.
[02:04] <SiRrUs> damm after all the insults the guy is messaging me
[02:04] <blah09> SiRrUs, good idea
[02:04] <Joan-Baez> ShuttleWorth a really ZULU
[02:04] <jacquesmerde> membreya, only if the company has nothing to do with afrikaan than its marketing campaign, then yeah
[02:04] <Joan-Baez> unicvilized gay.
[02:05] <Joan-Baez> he prefer elephant and monkey ...else woman.
[02:05] <membreya> keyboard broken Joan-Baez or just too young and short to reach the keys properly?
[02:05] <Joan-Baez> short and young
[02:05] <mhy> hmm. to get vaguely back on topic, has anyone had problems with the hoary upgrade today; X11 login freezes at the Nautilus stage for me for some reason
[02:06] <membreya> where's a script-kiddie when you want one
[02:06] <blah09> mhy
[02:06] <Joan-Baez> mhy the reason is to search in afrika
[02:06] <membreya> mhy
[02:06] <blah09> its a problem with the new kernel
[02:06] <membreya> yes
[02:06] <membreya> :)
[02:06] <Xappe> mhy, are you using the .4 kernel?
[02:06] <mhy> blah09: ah, I'll downgrade; thanks
[02:06] <mhy> sorry - was that in the faq
[02:06] <Papsen> ahh.. it was python-nautilus that broke my nautilus
[02:06] <SiRrUs> nope mine has been behaving had trouble for a few mins with the new kernel but all is good now
[02:06] <jacquesmerde> how come upgrade && dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade etc... will keep installing/upgrading packages at each command? shouldnt it reach equilibrium when all the sub-sub-...-sub-sub-dependencies are up to date?
[02:06] <blah09> on the forums somewhere, membreya linked to it earlier
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: u r absolutely right
[02:07] <membreya> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16681&page=3&pp=10
[02:07] <arvykaye> looking at it right now
[02:08] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: how so?
[02:08] <arvykaye> what's this noi etc stuff?
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> add noinotify to grub kernel opts
[02:08] <arvykaye> I actually need to try that since I'm experiencing the freeze
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: it will reach equyilibrium at a certain point
[02:08] <arvykaye> in /boot?
[02:08] <dud> I don't think upgrade and dist-upgrade is compatible...
[02:09] <membreya> arvykaye: it's a hotplug hardware detector
[02:09] <dud> upgrade will hold back some packages and install some other, but dist will remove others and stuff
[02:09] <arvykaye> eek.  I think I need some hand holing, lol
[02:09] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: dud is right
[02:09] <arvykaye> *holding
[02:10] <arvykaye> okay so in /etc/hotplug?
[02:10] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon...so is this an equilibrium i should be going for? or should i only run dist-upgrade once?
[02:10] <SiRrUs> brrrrrr its cold here this morning
[02:10] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: what do u want to do ?
[02:10] <membreya> arvykaye: no you edit your grub
[02:10] <jacquesmerde> have a standard uptodate ubuntu system at my fingertips
[02:10] <membreya> gotta go to bed
[02:11] <membreya> night guys :)
[02:11] <arvykaye> so, /boot/grub/whatfile?
[02:11] <jacquesmerde> problem is i seemed to have to run TWO dist-upgrades (separated by an upgrade) from warty to get array5
[02:11] <arvykaye> (thanks)
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: do apt-get -y update && apt-get -y --force-yes dist-upgrade
[02:11] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde i have been updating && dist-upgrading daily
[02:11] <dud> jacquesmerde, I recommend using upgrade on systems which has a lot of activity, and dist-upgrade on more stable feature-freeze systems
[02:12] <msemtd> Hi, I'm a first time user of ubuntu (and of IRC over GAIM - I never knew it could do this!) and I'm having some mouse chaos -- pointer leaps all over screen and randomly presses buttons but sometimes behaves. I get quite a lot of this in /var/log/messages: "Feb 24 13:06:22 localhost kernel: psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away". Any ideas?
[02:12] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: write those lines to a text file, save it as update.sh , chmod +x it, then cp the file to /etc/cron.hourly
[02:12] <arvykaye> o.O
[02:12] <membreya> arvykaye: edit your /boot/grub/menu.list and put kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10.4-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash noinotify
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: no, to upgrade to hoary, just change the sources.list and do update & dist-upgrade
[02:13] <jacquesmerde> the otherthing is i always seem to have to do a apt-get -f install to get aptitude and synaptic back after a few dist-upgrades
[02:13] <mhy> hmm. still freezing with -3, I'll try the ionotify thing
[02:13] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon just the one dist-upgrade hasnt been enough to get up to date hoary (though i havent added those two switches you mentioned
[02:13] <BrianAnthony> how do I get the 2.6.10 kernel image from apt-get
[02:14] <BrianAnthony> Don't I need to  change my sources to woody
[02:14] <BrianAnthony> DOHG
[02:14] <arvykaye> membreya: heh, it's hda3 on my system (dual boot).  THANKS!!!! =)
[02:14] <BrianAnthony> I mean
[02:14] <BrianAnthony> hoary
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: it has to be. however, after updsating to hoary for the first time.. do apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:14] <dud> afaik, only hoary has 2.6.10 yes
[02:14] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[02:14] <BrianAnthony> I changed my aources.list for hoary
[02:14] <membreya> arvykaye: good luck with that
[02:14] <membreya> and now ...goodnight!
[02:14] <BrianAnthony> but it didn't find it
[02:15] <jacquesmerde> xf86 is on warty? i thought it was xorg....
[02:15] <dud> BrianAnthony, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:15] <membreya> BrianAnthony: did you do a sudo apt-get update first?
[02:15] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony aptitude install "the kernel image you want"
[02:15] <membreya> it needs to update its repo lists
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: warty has xf86. hoary has xorg
[02:15] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[02:15] <BrianAnthony> I've run apt get update
[02:16] <jacquesmerde> ahhh, i guess i should just dload the latest array cd....and just do upgrades, but no dist-upgrades?
[02:16] <BrianAnthony> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:16] <BrianAnthony> it only uploaded a shitload of python stuff and an xf86 drivers specs thing or another
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: no... to update any apt-based system u need to dist-upgrade
[02:16] <neonlightning> sudo passwd root just asks me for a passwd and then nomatter what i put in other than just enter it says sorry
[02:16] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony so your trying to upgrade your kernel>
[02:17] <BrianAnthony> Yeah
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: upgrade doesnt change the system packages
[02:17] <dud> BrianAnthony, install linux-image-2.6.10-4-{arch}-{cpu}
[02:17] <BrianAnthony> I can only find up to 2.4.9
[02:17] <SiRrUs> did you see what i typed
[02:17] <dud> replace the stuff in {}
[02:17] <BrianAnthony> I thought it was kernel
[02:17] <BrianAnthony> =P
[02:17] <BrianAnthony> doh
[02:17] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon...i dont understand why i'd need a dist-upgrade on a hoary array5?
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: i told you. upgrade doesnt change system packages like hal..
[02:17] <dud> BrianAnthony, took a while before I managed to learn all the names of the different packages as well :)
[02:18] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon...since this seems to be the only thing about ubuntu that i cant get my head around...is there a nice fm i can rtfm?
[02:18] <dud> even now I only remember like 5% of all I suppose hehe
[02:18] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: whats fm ? rtfm ?
[02:18] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony and then add the noinotify in the menu.lst
[02:18] <BrianAnthony> dud: uhm. I'm sort of a n00b. if I'm on an athlon XP system I want k7 right?
[02:18] <dud> BrianAnthony, apt-cache search <name> is good :)
[02:18] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon.....but i thought if i had array5 i wouldnt NEED to change system packages...
[02:18] <nixman> dud:  i am still confused about kernel-image, hernel-headers , linux-image etc ..
[02:18] <dud> BrianAnthony, k8 I believe
[02:19] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: system packages are /updated/ from time to time
[02:19] <dud> if you do apt-cache show <name of package> you can read lots of clever info BrianAnthony
[02:19] <BrianAnthony> dud: I used apt-cache search, but I was searching with only like kernel or something
[02:19] <jacquesmerde> so is it a common myth that the only time you need to use dist-upgrade is to go from warty to hoary? otherwise the system packages are supposed to stay exactly the same, unless they change release names...
[02:19] <dud> jacquesmerde, but you'd only really *need* the security repository
[02:19] <dud> dist-upgrade is just a smarter upgrade
[02:19] <nixman> dud:  but apt-cahe only reads whats *already* installed right ?
[02:20] <dud> nixman, nope, it reads your local packages cache
[02:20] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: yes, its a very wrong myth. on hoary, i suggest u use the graphical update-manager
[02:20] <dud> eg, ever package thats available
[02:20] <jacquesmerde> so then an upgrade && dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade ..etc...from warty WOULDN'T be a bad thing?
[02:20] <BrianAnthony> install linux-image-2.6.10-4-{arch}-{cpu}
[02:20] <nixman> dud: does that mean even if the packge is not installed ?
[02:20] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: it would. upgrade and dist-upgrade are mutually incompatible
[02:20] <blah09> BrianAnthony, .10-4 has some issues with gnome
[02:20] <dud> jacquesmerde, its not recommended... its not a very tested way of doing things heh
[02:20] <dud> nixman, yes... all available packages
[02:21] <BrianAnthony> blah09: doesn't ubuntu iunstall gnome by default?
[02:21] <blah09> yep
[02:21] <nixman> dud:  thanks dude !
[02:21] <blah09> but with the new kernel gnome hangs after login
[02:21] <da_bon_bon> BrianAnthony: ofocurse it does
[02:21] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon....cool....i'll stop using aptitude then...when you mean the graphical update-manager, do you mean synaptic? or that wierd thing that sits in the top right corner when there are "updates"?
[02:21] <bjugis> blah09: in all cases ?
[02:21] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: update-manager is based on synaptic - but it gets only updates
[02:21] <BrianAnthony> my box is locking up for no reason
[02:21] <blah09> well you could try it =)
[02:21] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: yes, that weird thing that sits on top
[02:21] <BrianAnthony> I was hoping upgrading the kernel would help
[02:21] <blah09> what kernel?
[02:21] <bjugis> It works for me =)
[02:22] <dud> even though its for debian... I strongly recommend everyone to read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html for getting upto speed on this whole apt thing
[02:22] <dud> excellent document :)
[02:22] <BrianAnthony> dud: I'm familiar with apt
[02:22] <BrianAnthony> but I never know the package names
[02:22] <blah09> bjugis, youre lucky then ;)
[02:22] <dud> was speaking generally here...
[02:22] <da_bon_bon> BrianAnthony: dud recomended to everybody, not only you. :P
[02:22] <blah09> did you use the noinotify parameter?
[02:22] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon, so that "weird thing" will do ALL my updates, upgrades, dist-upgrades for me and keep me up to date? because when that thing has said no updates, a dist-upgrade has added/upgraded packages...
[02:22] <bjugis> That must be the first time ;)
[02:23] <BrianAnthony> da_bon_bon: but I'm special
[02:23] <bjugis> blah09: Doesn't know what you are talking about so I guess not ;)
[02:23] <neonlightning> can someone help me set a root passwd because when i try it just asks me for the root passwd and since i just installed there shouldn't be a root passwd
[02:23] <nanomad> are there any known issues with gnome?
[02:23] <dud> BrianAnthony, you're an individual, just like everybody else :>
[02:23] <blah09> hehe
[02:24] <dud> neonlightning, try getting used to sudo'ing stuff rather
[02:24] <KING^^^> please help me someone , my music runs too fast
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: yes, that utility is not foolproof. use the terminal.. u need to do a dist-upgrade every time u wish to update completely.
[02:24] <dud> but you can set it with 'sudo passwd root' if you really want to
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: write those lines to a text file, save it as update.sh , chmod +x it, then cp the file to /etc/cron.hourly
[02:24] <neonlightning> nope i can't
[02:24] <BrianAnthony> KING^^^: did you get the chipmunks cd
[02:24] <bjugis> blah09: What is noinotify parameters ?
[02:24] <KING^^^> what's that BrianAnthony
[02:24] <neonlightning> because when i try it just asks me for the root passwd and since i just installed there shouldn't be a root passwd
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: apt-get update && apt-get --force-yes dist-upgrade are the lines
[02:24] <BrianAnthony> KING^^^: =/
[02:25] <BrianAnthony> KING^^^: I allways think people are from america
[02:25] <jacquesmerde> so if i have that dist-upgrade line, an upgrade line is redundant?
[02:25] <KING^^^> ok BrianAnthony  :)
[02:25] <SiRrUs> neonlightning the password it should be referring to is the one you set for your user
[02:25] <KING^^^> but i'm not from america
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: right. and an upgrade line is dangerous
[02:25] <dud> neonlightning, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:25] <neonlightning> thx
[02:25] <blah09> bjugis, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16681&page=3&pp=10
[02:25] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon...now i'm getting this....why is it dangerous?
[02:25] <KING^^^> so ... please someone help me to fix my music , it runs too fast
[02:26] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: upgrade might remove some package dist-upgrade installed
[02:26] <dud> KING^^^, its a tricky task unless you give us something more to go on
[02:26] <KING^^^> what more dud ?
[02:26] <dud> perhaps one of the mailinglist or the forums are better places for rathe complex isuess
[02:26] <jacquesmerde> ahhh....hence my having to do a apt-get -f install to get synaptic and aptitude working again? it took libapt or something from me
[02:27] <KING^^^> when i play music with xmms it runs too fast
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: right.
[02:27] <tritium> Hello jacquesmerde!
[02:27] <jacquesmerde> hey tritium
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> tritium: hi
[02:27] <tritium> and da_bon_bon
[02:27] <tritium> What's up guys?
[02:27] <dud> tritium, you know anything about sound running too fast?
[02:27] <SiRrUs> and SiRrUs ????
[02:27] <dud> I'm sorta blank on this one hehe :(
[02:27] <tritium> Hey there dud, not off the top of my head...sorry.
[02:27] <dud> tritium, good good, and yourself?
[02:28] <jacquesmerde> i dont get that chmod +x then copying it bit da_bon_bon
[02:28] <tritium> dud, did you see if you need to specify any settings with module parameters?
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> tritium: i am explaining jacquesmerde, plz correct me if i am wrong - apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade .. isnt it wrong ?
[02:28] <tritium> Doing fine, thanks.
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: that will do it automatically - every hour
[02:28] <dud> tritium, KING^^^ has the issue, not me you see
[02:29] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu ever gonna have a "enterprize edition" ??
[02:29] <Ribs> da_bon_bon: no
[02:29] <dud> its rather desktop targeted isn't it?
[02:29] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon  it sounds like what you are saying is that if you ever plan to do a dist-uipgrade on your computer, you should NEVER do an upgrade
[02:29] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: right.
[02:30] <BeTa> someone knows what software part of ubuntu is in charge of cpu frequency scalling on PPC ?
[02:30] <da_bon_bon> can anyone explain why we need to add noinotify to the 2.6.10-4-XX kernels ?
[02:30] <tritium> da_bon_bon, wrong to do?  No, but upgrade is safer to avoid packages being removed.
[02:30] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon...so i do a "vi update.sh" in my home directory. add said lines. do a "sudo chown +x update.sh" then whats this copying bit?
[02:30] <dud> the differences between dist-upgrade and upgrade could be discussed endlessly hehe
[02:31] <dud> mostly its very dependent on the system and the variables of your system
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: you move it to the /etc/cron.hourly dir. so that it gets done hourly
[02:31] <BeTa> is that totally manage from kernel space ?
[02:31] <dud> chose one that works for you, and stick to it
[02:31] <jacquesmerde> this stuff should be in the wiki somewhere...seems to he hardest thing to get ones head around from the end-user point of view
[02:31] <dud> can we all agree on that? hehe
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> will shipit ship hoary DVDs ?
[02:32] <tritium> BeTa, powernowd, I believe.
[02:32] <SiRrUs> dud agreed
[02:32] <evarlast> dud: nope, because some jerk will try to force their views of "the best way" on others, to no end!
[02:32] <tritium> jacquesmerde, there is an apt-howto
[02:32] <jacquesmerde> oh, cron.hourly is a directory. i get it now. sorry about that da_bon_bon
[02:32] <dud> evarlast, always ignore you know...
[02:32] <evarlast> yup
[02:32] <jacquesmerde> tritum: does it cover me current misapprehensions?
[02:32] <BeTa> tritium: let's take a look
[02:33] <dud> jacquesmerde, I posted the official debian apt howto some minutes ago
[02:33] <dud> it covers more than you'd ever want to know lol
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: always happy to help
[02:33] <jacquesmerde> so everyone agress with you, one should do constant dist-upgrades and no upgrades?
[02:33] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you can apt-get install apt-howto (can even choose in the language of your choice)
[02:34] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no
[02:34] <BeTa> tritium: is that possible that frequency scalling might be the reason of random low level crashes A?
[02:34] <dud> as we just said... try both and pick the one that works best on *your* system jacquesmerde
[02:34] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon, doesnt that "weird thing in the corner" just effectively perform upgrades, which would interfere with the dist-upgrades in cron?
[02:34] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: it wont interfere. if u want, use only the update-manager
[02:35] <tritium> BeTa, I guess it could be.
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: if cron is running, it will lock apt & dpkg, so update-manager cant use it
[02:35] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon...in what way is your cron idea better?
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: its automatic. though i still prefer update-manager - helps me unselect updates i dont want
[02:36] <jacquesmerde> is update manager merely performing apt-get update's?
[02:36] <BeTa> tritium: that's strange, my PB crashes totally (no ping, no X, no console...) w/o any error since the first time I've installed a GNU/Linux on it (not under OSX)
[02:36] <jacquesmerde> is update manager merely performing apt-get upgrades
[02:37] <tritium> BeTa, I suspect you have a larger problem then.
[02:37] <jacquesmerde> then it would miss the upgrading i need which i can only get by constant dist-upgrading...
[02:37] <BeTa> I've suspected Tc but I've scalled minimum limit to -10c w/o any difference
[02:37] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: update-manabger is a synaptic based frontend to apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:38] <BeTa> I've suspected presence/absence of battery (and it doesn't seem to be the problem)
[02:38] <universal> does somebody know about Cedega?
[02:38] <BeTa> and I've also suspected cpu frequency scalling...
[02:38] <SiRrUs> tritium should there me a new array out today?
[02:38] <BeTa> but am I the only one expecting those problems ?
[02:38] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you have to be careful with dist-upgrade.  When package dependencies aren't met at the time of dist-upgrade, packages can be removed.
[02:39] <tritium> SiRrUs, I haven't heard, actually.  But I'm behing on the mailing list reading...
[02:39] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon...then update-manager is all i need to stay completely up to date? and any other way is just beyond me?
[02:39] <SiRrUs> tritium thanks i think i remember reading wed were the day
[02:39] <jacquesmerde> tritium, so by the same reasoning i have to be careful with update manager?
[02:40] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I'm not sure if it does dist-upgrade or just upgrade.  I don't use it.
[02:40] <blah09> look at topic
[02:40] <blah09> array 5 =)
[02:40] <blah09> or is array 6 due soon?
[02:40] <SiRrUs> blah09 yep that changed a couple days ago array 5 came out last wed
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: i still use command line.
[02:40] <tritium> I think he means 6
[02:40] <SiRrUs> yep i do :)
[02:40] <blah09> wow, moving fast
[02:41] <jacquesmerde> with update and dist-upgrade, no upgrades. and with the -y and --forces-yes switches?
[02:41] <njan> :)
[02:41] <tritium> jacquesmerde, what does that?
[02:41] <tanek_> Hi, back after a few weeks now, and can't get sound working (had trouble with it before too), no plugin seem to work with xmms and I've got no system sound. Only tried playing .mp3 though, as I don't have any other files atm :S. I've got xmms-mad and it worked with that last time. Any ideas?
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: you dont need to type y at the prompt "do u want to continue"
[02:42] <tritium> I don't believe the update-manager does that jacquesmerde.  That's so risky.
[02:42] <xiximkopp> has anybody of you used mkinitrd in last time? mine seems to be broken or something
[02:43] <jacquesmerde> i'm not trying to be risky, i just get very confused about what the normal,official,  unrisky, ungeeky, newbie way of keeping ubuntu up to date is...
[02:43] <tritium> My update-manager notifiction icon goes away with every "upgrade".  It doesn't matter if I don't "dist-upgrade".  I think update-manager does upgrades.
[02:45] <xiximkopp> i get no error message or something it just doesnt create an initrd...
[02:45] <LinuxJones> tanek_, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:45] <tanek_> LinuxJones, been there, done that :D
[02:45] <jacquesmerde> so tritium, running update-manager AND dist-upgrade regularly is dangerous?
[02:45] <tritium> tanek_, might be the switch from esd to polypaudio
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> anyone got festival running on hoary ?
[02:46] <tritium> jacquesmerde, dist-upgrade in general must be done with care
[02:46] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I _only_ do it when something is held back after an upgrade
[02:46] <dud> hmm, never knew being a dmoz.org editor were so fun heh
[02:46] <tritium> jacquesmerde, and even then, only after I check out the situation
[02:46] <dud> nice with power >:)
[02:47] <jacquesmerde> but doing constant upgrades isnt dangerous?
[02:47] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, it's not
[02:47] <tanek_> tritium, what do you mean?
[02:47] <tritium> tanek_, lots of people have had trouble with no sound on Hoary because of the new audio server called polypaudio
[02:47] <jacquesmerde> unless i ever plan to do a dist-upgrade of course....so as soon as you install your system you have to decide between keeping it up to date with upgrades or dist-upgrades...
[02:48] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, not really
[02:48] <tanek_> but im on warty :S
[02:48] <neonlightning> where is the locale file mine is seeming to be set incorrectly
[02:48] <LinuxJones> jacquesmerde, you only dist-upgrade when you move from one branch to the other like warty to hoary. you don't use it all the time
[02:48] <jacquesmerde> i think i'm too much of a newbie to run ubuntu. i just cant get my head around it
[02:48] <tritium> tanek_, hmm, then you definitely have a different problem
[02:49] <jacquesmerde> LinuxJones, i've just been told thats a myth
[02:49] <tritium> jacquesmerde, just stick with upgrades for the most part
[02:49] <jacquesmerde> tritium, da_bon_bon was telling me quite the opposite
[02:49] <LinuxJones> jacquesmerde, if it were a myth there would be no apt-get (update)
[02:49] <tritium> jacquesmerde, constant dist-upgrades are not wise
[02:50] <jacquesmerde> how do you figure that, LinuxJones?
[02:50] <tanek_> i think so too... just can't remember what I did last time. i do know that my default sound device is my usb-webcam also... and dont remember how to change
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde, tritium: sorry dudes, i might have been wrong...
[02:50] <jacquesmerde> tritum, so whats the recommended daily dosage?
[02:50] <jacquesmerde> i dont want to OD one DU's...
[02:50] <jacquesmerde> *on
[02:50] <tritium> jacquesmerde, upgrade
[02:50] <neonlightning> um can soemone tell me how i go about setting locale settings
[02:50] <jazzka> hi!
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> tritium: when installing some stuff, how do i get apt to isntall the "Recomended packages" too ?
[02:51] <tritium> neonlightning, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:51] <neonlightning> thx
[02:51] <jazzka> how can I know which  version of a certain program will be used in the next stable release?
[02:51] <LinuxJones> jacquesmerde, well according to what you've said you were told that you should only use dist-upgrade
[02:51] <jacquesmerde> yeah, but with update...
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: right. i told him that.
[02:52] <tritium> da_bon_bon, probably by setting a preference
[02:52] <tritium> da_bon_bon, look at the apt_preferences man page
[02:52] <BTerer> is there a way to disable the auto-configuration of dns servers in resolv.conf
[02:52] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I've never tried that, so I can't say for sure.
[02:53] <martin___> Hi guys
[02:53] <tritium> Xappe, is your polypaudio behaving now without the #define MAX_CONNECTIONS 10
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> tritium: ok, thanks
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[02:53] <tritium> see you
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> tritium: later
[02:54] <martinjh99> Is there an option to install KDE after installing Ubuntu?
[02:54] <xx> hi all, has anyone started a cyrillic installation?
[02:55] <KING^^^> marcin_ant: sudo apt-get install kde
[02:55] <KING^^^> martinjh99: sudo apt-get install kde
[02:55] <KING^^^> sorry marcin_ant
[02:55] <tanek_> how do I change default sound device to hw:2,1?
[02:55] <martinjh99> No worries King...  Is it as easy as that? ;)
[02:55] <LinuxJones> martinjh99, yeah add the universe repository first tho >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:56] <KING^^^> yes martinjh99
[02:58] <flosch> hi
[02:58] <martinjh99> What version of KDE is it by the way?
[02:59] <jacquesmerde> what do all you guys think about ubuntuguide.org? i've heard a lot of mixed sentiments...
[03:00] <neonlightning> its helped me its just left out little things here and there that should be known before hand anyway
[03:00] <martinjh99> Looking at it now - Not having used Ubuntu before that would make a good reference
[03:00] <martinjh99> for installing things apart from the standard install.
[03:02] <neonlightning> i know this is a stupid question but how do i set read write accesses on a file is it chmod?
[03:02] <Ribs> man chmod :>
[03:02] <martinjh99> Yup - eg chmod +x script makes it executable.
[03:02] <dud> chmod 755 <file>
[03:02] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you might find chapters 2 and 6 helpful: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html
[03:03] <dud> or +x yeah
[03:03] <tanek_> +w
[03:03] <Haohmaru> newbieQ: I want the latest version of ubuntu install iso, which one do I need 'array-?' or 'current'?
[03:03] <neonlightning> i'm just trying to set my sources.list to write accessable
[03:03] <evarlast> chmod u+rwx,g+rx,o-rwx file
[03:03] <evarlast> neonlightning: edit it as root.
[03:04] <tanek_> edit it through synaptic?
[03:04] <SiRrUs> Haohmaru I believe 5 is the current one
[03:04] <tanek_> if youre only adding/removing repositories
[03:04] <trigx300> ciao a tutti
[03:04] <Xappe> +me is playing around with audacity, a cheap computer mic and his fender
[03:05] <trigx300> hello to all
[03:05] <Haohmaru> SiRrUs: I have the 'hoary' 5.04 LIVE iso (got it to see if ubuntu would work on my notebook, it does, so now I want to install it ofcoz ;))
[03:05] <debootstrap_prog> hello, would anyone be willing to anwser a probably very noobish question?
[03:05] <SiRrUs> Haohmaru cool so get array 5
[03:05] <Haohmaru> SiRrUs: okay, thanks!
[03:05] <trigx300> can anyone help me config my video settings with out loging in to ubuntu
[03:06] <SiRrUs> yw
[03:06] <michel_v_> hello
[03:06] <Haohmaru> ps. the 'current' is not the latest version then?
[03:06] <Feigling> Problem installing Ubuntu here :(
[03:06] <tritium> Xappe, did you see the update to polypaudio?
[03:06] <SiRrUs> Haohmaru the currect is 5 so its the latest
[03:06] <michel_v_> I've been following the howto to install beagle from CVS, but today when I refreshed my copy from CVS, it's started telling me it couldn't set extended attributes
[03:07] <michel_v_> anyone knows if beagle's cvs is horked?
[03:07] <Haohmaru> thanks, I'll fire up a download and get burning ;)
[03:07] <trigx300> can anyone help me?
[03:08] <Feigling> Base system installation error
[03:08] <Feigling> The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)
[03:08] <Feigling> Check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for the details.
[03:08] <Feigling> <go back> <continue>
[03:10] <trigx300> can someone help me?
[03:10] <martinjh99> Feigling> The only thing I can think of is that the ISO was incorrectly downloaded for some reason and is corrupt.  Hence the errors your getting now.  Not an expert though.
[03:10] <LinuxJones> trigx300, just ask ;)
[03:10] <johns_> trigx300: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:10] <Feigling> Martin, it's a cd-rom I got from a computer store :P
[03:11] <Feigling> it's as official as any linux system gets ;)
[03:11] <trigx300> how do i get shell with out loging in
[03:11] <johns_> ?
[03:11] <martinjh99> Feigling> Ahhh Hardware problems??
[03:11] <neonlightning> on the guide it says to edit the sources file and then use apt-get but i did that and it says that there are refrences to xmms but there are no install canadates
[03:11] <Feigling> hmmm, no
[03:11] <Feigling> apparently....
[03:11] <neonlightning> any help?
[03:11] <tritium> trigx300, Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get the first virtual console
[03:12] <Feigling> I have an old installation on my HDD which is causing errors.... but I just formatted.
[03:12] <trigx300> the video on the box i have to do this to is so messed up i can see anything
[03:12] <johns_> as tritium said, ctrl-alt-f1
[03:12] <trigx300> should i do this right after grub is done?
[03:13] <SiRrUs> neonlightning update && upgrade
[03:13] <djk1> Quick question: Is there any way to reinstall everything? I'm running hoary, and some stuff got slightly broken. I'm trying to fix it but it's moaning about dependencies, and the reason for that is that libnautilus2-2 is unavailable.
[03:13] <djk1> so I can't reinstall gnome.
[03:15] <Feigling> pfffft
[03:15] <Feigling> fine
[03:15] <Feigling> I'll just use the WinXP cd to format.
[03:15] <Xappe> tritium, yes...but I still have the same problems I think...
[03:15] <tritium> Xappe, oh...it's working for me.
[03:16] <djk1> can anyone try to install libnautilus2-2
[03:16] <djk1> apparently it's broken..
[03:17] <Feigling> does anyone have a light?
[03:17] <Xappe> tritium, it probably is my nforce2 onboard sound card
[03:19] <Feigling> thank you :)
[03:19] <tritium> Xappe, possbile.  I actually have no errors in /var/log/messages now.
[03:19] <martinjh99> :)
[03:19] <djk1> so, I can't install gnome because of libnautilus2-2 not being available.
[03:19] <djk1> is there any way around that?
[03:20] <SiRrUs> djk1 doesnt appear to be
[03:21] <djk1> goddamnit
[03:21] <djk1> :(
[03:21] <tubezeroonethree> djk1, best bet would be to wait a little, if it is a problem, and new package will hit the archives soon
[03:21] <tritium> djk1, it's available in Warty main according to my system.
[03:21] <djk1> ok
[03:21] <djk1> I'm running hoary but I'll go get it
[03:23] <LinuxJones> djk1, I don't even have that package installed just remove it
[03:23] <djk1> it is removed
[03:23] <djk1> that's the thing
[03:23] <djk1> when I try to install 'gnome'
[03:23] <djk1> it says it can't install that because gnome-desktop-environment isn't installed
[03:23] <LinuxJones> djk1, I upgraded the other day and it's not install on my system
[03:23] <djk1> when I try to install THAT package, it claims nautilus-media is not installed
[03:24] <djk1> and when I try to install nautilus-media it complains about libnautilus2-2
[03:24] <LinuxJones> djk1, can you try to install ubuntu-desktop
[03:24] <djk1> I'll give it a shot
[03:24] <tubezeroonethree> djk1:  sounds like you are trying to install a meta package.  what happens if you just find "nautilus" and install that
[03:25] <djk1> ok ubuntu-desktop is installing again
[03:25] <djk1> hopefully this will fix it LinuxJones, thanks.
[03:25] <djk1> tubezeroonethree, that doesn't install libnautilus2-2
[03:25] <djk1> tried already
[03:25] <djk1> :)
[03:25] <LinuxJones> djk1, it will be fine :)
[03:25] <djk1> I hope so! :)
[03:26] <arun_> how do i set vim have :sy on by default
[03:27] <schasi> add set syntax on in the /etc/vimrc if i am not mistaken
[03:27] <chapter3> hey all
[03:28] <chapter3> "From the Foot Menu choose Panel->Add to Panel->Status Dock"  what would be the equivalent for "status dock" in horay's gnome?
[03:29] <karim> Failed to load image file-manager
[03:29] <karim> I got this error
[03:29] <karim> I don't have the gnome icons
[03:30] <karim> which package should I reinstall ?
[03:30] <seb128> karim: warty or hoary ? i386/amd64/ppc ? what icon ?
[03:30] <karim> hoary ppc
[03:30] <neonlightning> anyone got xmms installed?
[03:30] <karim> seb128, upgraded from a debian sid
[03:31] <evarlast> neonlightning: I have xmms installed
[03:31] <karim> I got this icons problem on debian sid also
[03:31] <LinuxJones> karim, I have same problem with on of my icons as well
[03:31] <tritium> seb128, I'm very pleased with the latest yelp update.  XML errors are gone when viewing html docs
[03:31] <neonlightning> can you help me install i tried apt-get install xmms and it says no canadates for install
[03:31] <LinuxJones> karim, even tho it is installed
[03:31] <chapter3> "From the Foot Menu choose Panel->Add to Panel->Status Dock"  what would be the equivalent for "status dock" in horay's gnome?
[03:31] <seb128> tritium: nice
[03:31] <karim> ok
[03:32] <evarlast> neonlightning: wow, nope, I'm clueless on that one.
[03:32] <neonlightning> damn
[03:32] <evarlast> neonlightning: maybe you need to enable universe?
[03:32] <seb128> karim: sudo rm -f /usr/share/icons/*/icon-theme.cache ?
[03:32] <karim> Failed to load image file-manager
[03:32] <karim>  Details: Icon not found
[03:32] <neonlightning> i'm used to using mandrake so i can just use rpms
[03:32] <tritium> yelp is a nice way to read Dive Into Python :)
[03:32] <karim> seb128, I try
[03:33] <evarlast> neonlightning: enable universe?
[03:33] <evarlast> neonlightning: I'm also coming from mdk background
[03:33] <arun_> "syntax on" in the vimrc file worked
[03:33] <neonlightning> i've added the stuff the guide tells me to but i've also done apt-get dist-update so that could be part of the problem
[03:34] <karim> seb128, wow merci it resolved the problem :)
[03:34] <djk1> hm
[03:34] <djk1> why can't I remove evolution without removing ubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <djk1> heh
[03:34] <seb128> karim: de rien :)
[03:34] <michel_v_> because ubuntu-desktop is a collection of packages
[03:34] <karim> LinuxJones, as seb128 suggested, rm -f /usr/share/icons/*/icon-theme.cache resolved my problem
[03:34] <housetier> djk1 ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package
[03:34] <michel_v_> it's a package that depends on all these packages
[03:34] <djk1> ok
[03:34] <pisuke> djk1, cause evo is part of gnome
[03:35] <pisuke> since gnome 2.9
[03:35] <djk1> I see
[03:35] <djk1> ok, well going to test gnome.
[03:35] <djk1> thanks for your help
[03:35] <roamm> why is ubuntu shit
[03:35] <roamm> ?
[03:35] <michel_v_> pisuke: since 2.8 actually :)
[03:36] <LinuxJones> karim, ok thanks
[03:36] <djk1> well, it works.
[03:36] <djk1> but a lot of stuff doesn't
[03:37] <djk1> like when I go to 'System' > 'Administration' > and choose anything in that menu
[03:37] <djk1> it never appears
[03:37] <djk1> well, synaptic + ubuntu update manager don't
[03:37] <djk1> device manager seems to
[03:38] <djk1> networking doesn't
[03:38] <djk1> :(
[03:40] <roamm> does ubuntu use apt-get
[03:40] <roamm> ?
[03:40] <tritium> yes
[03:40] <roamm> good.
[03:40] <roamm> so its basically debian with xwindows?
[03:40] <roamm> made easy for plebs
[03:40] <roamm> ?
[03:40] <tritium> you could sort of think of it that way
[03:41] <tritium> roamm, what problems are you having?
[03:41] <roamm> none
[03:41] <roamm> :P
[03:41] <roamm> just wanna know if i should bother trying it
[03:42] <tritium> Oh, I figured you were having problems from your first question.
[03:42] <roamm> plenty of debian box's with guis, no point playing with it if it isnt different in some way :P
[03:42] <roamm> i was just being an idiot
[03:42] <roamm> as u do :P
[03:43] <tritium> roamm, imho it's quite an improvement over standard debian
[03:43] <michel_v_> it is quite different
[03:43] <djk1> any ideas why some of the menu items don't work in 'System'?
[03:44] <michel_v_> installation is easier, the hardware recognition and configuration is excellent
[03:44] <djk1> they used to
[03:44] <roamm> can anyone give me more information? devel style changes? anything that sets the system itself apart
[03:44] <roamm> ie. the differences in gentoo and debian
[03:44] <roamm> i dont expect it to be that different
[03:44] <roamm> as it is based on debian
[03:44] <roamm> but u get my drift :P
[03:45] <roamm> sarge has brilliant hardware recognition :P
[03:45] <evarlast> roamm: its all just linux.
[03:45] <roamm> but then sarge owns my laptop
[03:45] <tritium> roamm, try a LiveCD and check it out for yourself :)
[03:45] <roamm> because discover has a spack
[03:45] <roamm> framebuffer issue
[03:45] <roamm> evarlast: [taps nose] 
[03:49] <Alessio> can I say that www.ubuntuitalia.org is online?
[03:49] <Alessio> :D
[03:49] <Skid> hi, whats the difference between universe and mutliverse?
[03:49] <Alessio> the italian ubuntu community :D
[03:50] <tritium> Skid, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[03:50] <Skid> ta
[03:55] <BeTa> someone here runs a ubuntu on a powerbook alu ?
[03:56] <universal> hi
[03:56] <SiRrUs> hello
[03:57] <universal> how goes
[03:57] <SiRrUs> goes great but I will get better
[03:57] <SiRrUs> and you ?
[03:57] <BeTa> :c)
[03:57] <universal> very good.. thanks
[03:58] <universal> ;-)
[03:58] <SiRrUs> we are a very polite bunch in here ;)
[03:58] <universal> Ok.. that sounds good
[03:59] <djk1> any ideas why some menu items don't work?
[03:59] <djk1> in System > Administration
[03:59] <universal> yah
[03:59] <djk1> networking doesn't work, neither do synaptic or ubuntu update manager
[03:59] <djk1> you have a solution, universal?
[03:59] <Goshawk> to me work
[04:00] <Goshawk> they work to my computer
[04:00] <Goshawk> i'm now in networking section
[04:00] <escoz> they work here too. Which version of ubuntu are you using?
[04:00] <SiRrUs> djk1 work in mine also
[04:00] <Bandit> as well mine
[04:00] <djk1> using Hoary
[04:00] <Bandit> yep
[04:00] <Goshawk> me too hoary
[04:00] <djk1> :(
[04:01] <SiRrUs> yeah
[04:01] <Goshawk> hoary at i386
[04:01] <djk1> yeah
[04:01] <djk1> same here
[04:01] <djk1> I wonder what is making them not work
[04:01] <universal> lol, me 2
[04:01] <Goshawk> upgraded this morning (11 new packages)
[04:01] <universal> ok..
[04:01] <djk1> yeah I'm running the latest
[04:01] <djk1> weird
[04:02] <djk1> what exactly do those menu items run?
[04:02] <djk1> is there any way of manipulating the 'shortcut'
[04:02] <djk1> or whatever
[04:02] <SiRrUs> djk1 when was the last time you updated
[04:02] <djk1> today
[04:02] <djk1> I stay up to date
[04:02] <escoz> i'm also running that version, with today's updates, and everything works just fine
[04:02] <Goshawk> ah a litte question, in synaptic i see the debian swirl instead of the ubuntu logo to the packages
[04:02] <Goshawk> is it normal?
[04:02] <djk1> Goshawk, me too
[04:02] <sigglet> yes
[04:02] <SiRrUs> did they ever work for you
[04:03] <djk1> yes SiRrUs
[04:03] <SiRrUs> djk1 when did they stop
[04:03] <djk1> I think it was a few days ago
[04:03] <universal> hmm
[04:03] <djk1> I thought it'd get fixed
[04:03] <Goshawk> are they going to be fixed?
[04:03] <djk1> so I just waited for another update
[04:03] <escoz> goshawk, you mean on the about screen?
[04:03] <djk1> when I go to networking
[04:03] <djk1> on the bottom toolbar 'starting networking' or something appears
[04:03] <djk1> the icon turns to the watch
[04:04] <djk1> waits around 5 seconds
[04:04] <djk1> then nothing..
[04:04] <Goshawk> escoz, no i see any package with the debian swirl (all the packages that were with the ubuntu logo)
[04:04] <Goshawk> near the name
[04:04] <Goshawk> in synaptic
[04:04] <djk1> synaptic + ubuntu update just don't do anything
[04:04] <universal> sry, im using Warty, but nevermind
[04:04] <Goshawk> there is a little label
[04:04] <Goshawk> in which there is that logo
[04:04] <SiRrUs> universal warty is good stable and solid
[04:04] <escoz> me too! :)
[04:04] <djk1> is there any way to nuke this installation and reinstall to the latest hoary version?
[04:05] <djk1> without formatting or anything
[04:05] <escoz> the debian logo appears here too..
[04:05] <Goshawk> escoz, yep... it should be a synaptic bug
[04:05] <SiRrUs> no debian logo here
[04:05] <SiRrUs> there was a couple days ago not anymore
[04:06] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, hoary on i386?
[04:06] <escoz> goshawk, I remember those icons were ubuntu icons a few days ago...
[04:06] <Goshawk> escoz, more that a week for me
[04:06] <SiRrUs> Goshawk i386 is just your kernel info
[04:07] <Goshawk> i386 is my architecture (each package is compilaed in different arch)
[04:07] <djk1> is there an easier way to do a complete reinstall of the latest hoary version, without formatting?
[04:07] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, it is needed to locate a malfunction
[04:07] <pinsapo> hola
[04:07] <SiRrUs> Goshawk yep but it doesnt cause the debian swirls
[04:08] <Skid> whats gtk ?
[04:08] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, sometimes a package for an arch has not the same behaviur for all the archs
[04:08] <SiRrUs> Goshawk cool
[04:09] <acidwolf> whats the command to search the apt-get cache
[04:09] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, excuse my bad English...
[04:09] <Goshawk> sudo apt-get cache search "package"
[04:09] <Goshawk> ops sorry
[04:09] <Goshawk> not that
[04:09] <Confiskeus> hey
[04:09] <pinsapo> do you know if is there documentation about installation of ubuntu on laptop aopen 1556J?
[04:09] <AcidWolf> ty Goshawk
[04:09] <Confiskeus> which linux is the real one?
[04:09] <AcidWolf> :)
[04:10] <Goshawk> sudo apt-cache search "package"
[04:10] <Goshawk> acidmaxd, excuse me...
[04:10] <SiRrUs> Goshawk np with the language but I had the Debian swirls as well and I am i686
[04:10] <acidmaxd> Goshawk: yes?
[04:10] <Confiskeus> so far i get linuxes but they all seem to have problem with soundcard
[04:10] <SiRrUs> they were removed with a dist-upgrade
[04:10] <djk1> heh
[04:10] <LinuxJones> Confiskeus, what kind of soundcard do you have ?
[04:11] <djk1> I just went to System - About
[04:11] <Confiskeus> audiodrive
[04:11] <djk1> says
[04:11] <djk1> welcome to warty warthog
[04:11] <djk1> :)
[04:11] <Confiskeus> 1688 and 1868
[04:11] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, i386 is for every i38x
[04:11] <pinsapo> support about laptops?
[04:11] <SiRrUs> yep it is :)
[04:11] <Confiskeus> so which linux is the original?
[04:12] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, excuse every ix86
[04:12] <Confiskeus> the finished version
[04:12] <SiRrUs> yep
[04:12] <Goshawk> a bug that is in the x86 version can be not in i64 or ppc
[04:12] <djk1> so is there any way to nuke this install and start from a fresh version of hoary? without formatting if possible.
[04:13] <Goshawk> djk1, i don't know... try just removing the packages
[04:13] <Goshawk> and then reinstall it
[04:13] <djk1> heh
[04:13] <djk1> I have tried that
[04:13] <Goshawk> (i'm a ubuntu guru but it seems the best way)
[04:13] <Goshawk> djk1, even gnome?
[04:14] <djk1> yes :)
[04:14] <Confiskeus> it possible to install windows drivers in linux?
[04:14] <fsc> Confiskeus, yes. ndiswrapper
[04:14] <Goshawk> Confiskeus, do you  know what's linux?
[04:14] <Confiskeus> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12207
[04:14] <Goshawk> djk1, ok gonna see the menu files to see what's the error..
[04:15] <Confiskeus> it says that it can use windows drivers
[04:15] <Confiskeus> why do they not work then?
[04:15] <LinuxJones> Confiskeus, paste the output of lspci to pastebin.ca
[04:16] <bborkk> I found a bug that causes a complete system freeze.  Involves Firefox.  Anyone want to try to replicate it?  I'm running Hoary on a Thinkpad laptop.
[04:16] <Goshawk> bborkk, you can query me
[04:17] <bborkk> Okay, open up Firefox, go to any webpage.
[04:17] <Sionide> i'll try it
[04:17] <Goshawk> done
[04:17] <Sionide> not running hoary though
[04:17] <bborkk> Hit the '/' key to start a text search.
[04:18] <bborkk> Type in some text to search for... make sure it is something on the page.
[04:18] <djk1> yep?
[04:18] <Goshawk> and then?
[04:18] <bborkk> While the text is highlighted and the search bar is still visible, hit Ctrl-s to save the webpage.
[04:18] <Sionide> firefox, which version you got?
[04:19] <bborkk> I have the latest Hoary version.
[04:19] <SiRrUs> bbork and then
[04:19] <Goshawk> done
[04:19] <Goshawk> it is saved
[04:19] <bborkk> Huh.
[04:19] <Goshawk> no problems here
[04:19] <SiRrUs> lol
[04:19] <djk1> or here
[04:19] <SiRrUs> or here
[04:19] <bborkk> It seems sporadic, but more often than not completely freezes my machine.
[04:19] <Goshawk> ubuntu web page saved correctly
[04:20] <bborkk> Okay, let's all try the same webpage.  Load up slashdot.org.
[04:20] <Goshawk> bborkk, btw, thanks i learned that with "/" i can open the search box quickly
[04:20] <bborkk> Search for 'Mozilla' and save.
[04:20] <bborkk> Goshawk: It's a good one.
[04:21] <SiRrUs> bborkk you are not using the new kernel are you?
[04:21] <Goshawk> bborkk, done with slashdot... nothing
[04:21] <Goshawk> all is ok here
[04:21] <Sionide> Goshawk, why not just use Find As You Type?
[04:22] <roamm> is warty the latest ubuntu release/
[04:22] <roamm> ?
[04:22] <Goshawk> Sionide, i don't understand
[04:22] <SiRrUs> hmmm he must have hung again
[04:22] <prego> roamm, warty is the latest stable ubuntu release
[04:22] <roamm> is there an unstable release?
[04:22] <SiRrUs> roamm yes  Hoary is the next or in develp stages
[04:22] <prego> roamm, there is however hoary which is that
[04:22] <Sionide> Goshawk it's in the firefox options, if you just start typing the word, it starts searching for it straight away, no need for any shortcut keys or anything...
[04:22] <roamm> ok, the mirrors dont seem to have it.
[04:23] <roamm> :/
[04:23] <SiRrUs> roamm check the channel topis :)
[04:23] <SiRrUs> topic even
[04:23] <Goshawk> Sionide, understood
[04:23] <Sionide> very useful
[04:23] <Goshawk> Sionide, gonna see this feature
[04:23] <roamm> SiRrUs: i should do that more often eh
[04:23] <SiRrUs> yeah i should as well
[04:24] <SiRrUs> hey roamm are you canadian?
[04:24] <roamm> no Australian
[04:24] <roamm> :)
[04:24] <prego> Is Xorg 6.8.2 to be included in hoary any soon?
[04:24] <SiRrUs> ah i see
[04:24] <Sionide> Goshawk, it's under Preferences -> Advanced -> Accessibility -> "Begin finding when you begind typing"
[04:24] <Sionide> got it?
[04:24] <VRocker> hi
[04:24] <bborkk> Well, I froze up again.
[04:25] <bborkk> Anyone else?
[04:25] <SiRrUs> bborkk are you using the new kernel
[04:25] <Goshawk> Sionide, got and applied
[04:25] <Sionide> ;)
[04:25] <roamm> does ubuntu have a bugzilla? or bug tracking database? or -devel channel on irc?
[04:25] <bborkk> SiRrUs: I'm using the most up-to-date Hoary.
[04:25] <VRocker> ermmm can someone help me? i've installed ubuntu on hdc1 but need to put it on hda1 but grud wont load it obviously. how do i change it?
[04:25] <bborkk> 686 kernel
[04:25] <SiRrUs> bborkk  uptodate seems to differ from person to person
[04:26] <Goshawk> ok... gonna study... thanks to all guys.. see us
[04:26] <SiRrUs> did you apply the fix to your kernel
[04:26] <bborkk> uname -a => Linux mono-pole 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Tue Feb 22 23:26:31 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:26] <bborkk> SiRrUs: Patch?
[04:26] <SiRrUs> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-4-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash noinotify
[04:27] <VRocker> anyone know how to change the boot partition in grub?
[04:27] <SiRrUs> noinotify must be added
[04:27] <bborkk> What's noinotify?
[04:27] <SiRrUs> so it looks like that
[04:27] <Skid> if you've used apt-get install linux-686 to install an updated kernel, is there anyway I can get to the make menuconfig part of the kernel config part to enable some more options?
[04:27] <bborkk> interrupt notify
[04:27] <SiRrUs> without it you will probably be hanging in many other places as well
[04:27] <bborkk> I hang during shutdown as well.
[04:28] <bborkk> Something about interrupts and gam and whatnot.
[04:28] <SiRrUs> yep just add like i pasted
[04:28] <prego> I've some questions about my ubgrading to hoary... 1st: hotplug is marked as obsolete. If I remove the package, the thing hotplugged will be automagically configured as now?
[04:28] <SiRrUs> and then reboot
[04:28] <bborkk> I guess this is a known problem and being worked on?
[04:28] <SiRrUs> yep its known
[04:29] <bborkk> Okay, I'll try it out.  Thanks for the tip.
[04:29] <SiRrUs> yw
[04:30] <bborkk> I'll report back shortly.
[04:31] <brain_v> quick question, how to install po files?
[04:35] <bborkk> SiRrUs: That seems to have fixed it.  Thanks!
[04:35] <SiRrUs> your welcome
[04:38] <djk1> right
[04:38] <djk1> going to reformat this POS :)
[04:43] <emanuelez> hello 
[04:43] <emanuelez> *
[04:44] <emanuelez> what gtk based cd burners are available?
[04:45] <SiRrUs> emanuelez graveman works pretty good
[04:45] <prego> heh, had somehow some packages that synaptic considered better than hoary's ??
[04:46] <prego> SiRrUs, how do you import a session for multisession CDs in graveman?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> emanuelez: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/   has gnomebaker which is also good
[04:47] <emanuelez> cool
[04:47] <emanuelez> thx
[04:50] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, what about problems doing a audio cd (by mp3s) in graveman?
[04:50] <Goshawk> do i need to install a lib?
[04:51] <SiRrUs> Goshawk i have not experienced any problems
[04:51] <Anubis> wow kde installs without a hitch
[04:51] <Anubis> but it does not seem to have kcontrol on the menu
[04:51] <Anubis> I still can't play divx movies
[04:52] <Anubis> and I thought I had the codecs installed
[04:52] <Anubis> I dont have mplayer installed
[04:52] <Anubis> but should not need it for divx
[04:55] <spiral> hi
[04:56] <LaurenceRowe> no matter what I do with my fstab it always mounts my windows partition with only root access. I am using hoary. any ideas?
[04:57] <spacey> LaurenceRowe, add extra paramters
[04:57] <spacey> uid=1000 or gid=1000
[04:58] <kleon> hello
[04:59] <BrianAnthony> Is there no way to enjoy gaming on Linux with an ATI card?
[04:59] <prego> LaurenceRowe, do you add also noauto at options in fstab?
[04:59] <emanuelez> BrianAnthony: ati drivers are available now
[04:59] <BrianAnthony> fglrx isn't that great
[05:00] <BrianAnthony> I ran counter-strike at goddamn 10fps max
[05:00] <LaurenceRowe> from mount I have /dev/hda5 on /mnt type vfat (rw,uid=1000,gid=1000) so it seems to pick up the options, but not use them
[05:00] <emanuelez> BrianAnthony: latest ati drivers?
[05:00] <BrianAnthony> It's a 9550 with 256mb of ram
[05:00] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[05:00] <BrianAnthony> It's the latest fglrx driver
[05:00] <emanuelez> BrianAnthony: dunno... i have a 9600 but i never use it for playing
[05:01] <thoreauputic> LaurenceRowe: try adding umask=000
[05:01] <BrianAnthony> Everything  for normal usage is nice and crisp
[05:01] <BrianAnthony> but
[05:01] <BrianAnthony> it's shit for gaming
[05:01] <emanuelez> BrianAnthony: play nethack then :P
[05:02] <njan> BrianAnthony, linux loves my GeForce 4200 :)
[05:02] <BrianAnthony> I know I know
[05:02] <BrianAnthony> nvidia is good wtih Linux
[05:02] <LaurenceRowe> I not have rw,noauto,users,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 but still no joy
[05:02] <BrianAnthony> but Valve recomends ATI for Half-Life 2, so I got an ATI card, and now I'm being done in the ass by tux
[05:03] <crypticreign> hmm i upgrade to haory, now the wonderful mouse cursours are gone to plane old X ones
[05:03] <emanuelez> crypticreign: same here...
[05:04] <crypticreign> and ugly grren and red circle yes no dialog boxes
[05:05] <emanuelez> my hoary box is pretty broken lately... nautilus freezes, or it's the new kernel... dunno... anyway now i'm using xfce and burning eduknoppix to write my essay
[05:05] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: what are the permissions on the mountpoint  directory ?
[05:05] <hawke_> emanuelez: It's probably the new kernel
[05:05] <thoreauputic> oops sorry - for LaurenceRowe ^^^
[05:08] <BrianAnthony> Something also keeps locking up my computer, I don't know why...
[05:08] <BrianAnthony> It hapened after I installed Cedega, but I don't want to blame it
[05:09] <crypticreign> i dont think its cedega
[05:09] <crypticreign> unless cedega has a daemon that runs on startup
[05:09] <BrianAnthony> I don't think it is either
[05:09] <BrianAnthony> I don't think it does
[05:09] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony when did it start happening
[05:09] <BrianAnthony> I'm pretty sure it doesn't
[05:10] <BrianAnthony> a couple days ago
[05:10] <crypticreign> no, when does it happen when you use your system :^)
[05:10] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony it maybe a kernel problem which one are you using
[05:10] <BrianAnthony> uhm
[05:11] <BrianAnthony> 2.6.8.1-4
[05:12] <BrianAnthony> it does it completely randomly
[05:12] <thoreauputic> LaurenceRowe: I notice my fstab has  ` exec` in the line for winXP as well - might be worth a try
[05:12] <LaurenceRowe> What's the difference between linux-image and kernel-image
[05:12] <BrianAnthony> like it happeneed during start up this morning, it happened right after gnome loaded the day before, and at other random times throughout the past couple of days
[05:12] <thoreauputic> LaurenceRowe: none, AFAIK
[05:13] <thoreauputic> LaurenceRowe: just different terminology
[05:13] <AcidWolf> any idea if Javav runs on Ubuntu PPC
[05:13] <AcidWolf> Java*
[05:13] <BrianAnthony> do you think upgrading to 2.6.11 would help?
[05:14] <uid_zer0> hey, is anyone going to build new language-packs or not?
[05:14] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony try 2.6.10-3-686
[05:14] <Anubis> when did kde become faster than gnome?
[05:15] <SiRrUs> Anubis it hasnt, has it?
[05:15] <BrianAnthony> SiRrUs: I don't see that linux image
[05:15] <YankDownUnder> KDE faster than Gnome? Egads - they're both dogs...
[05:15] <Anubis> for you not?
[05:16] <karim> I got a problem with a alsa on ubuntu ppc
[05:16] <crypticreign> kde is such crap :_)
[05:16] <karim> it doesn't load the modules and config de sound card
[05:17] <YankDownUnder> KDE and Gnome are both bloated - XFce at least is fast
[05:17] <BrianAnthony> SiRrUs: I only see 2.6.11
[05:17] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: =D
[05:17] <crypticreign> XFce is fantastic
[05:17] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony linux-image-2.6.10-3-686 i just checked
[05:18] <YankDownUnder> XFce since 1997
[05:18] <BrianAnthony> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.10-3-686
[05:18] <crypticreign> i love gnome, always have.. just wish they hadnt dumbed it down over the years
[05:18] <ells> tritium: what is up
[05:18] <crypticreign> ive been a gnome user since 1996
[05:18] <tritium> ells, hey there
[05:18] <YankDownUnder> Gnome 1.4.6 was prolly the best one ever
[05:18] <ells> tritium: I got a question
[05:18] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony are your sources up todate
[05:19] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[05:19] <BrianAnthony> I just updated them last night to hoary
[05:19] <tritium> ells, ok
[05:19] <ells> tritium: I am trying to do an apt-get on dvdrip
[05:19] <SiRrUs> hoary comes with 2.6.10 kernel
[05:19] <ells>  I keep getting an error while doing it
[05:19] <crypticreign> YankDownUnder: i use Enlightenment on my home desktop (its no Ubuntu tho)
[05:19] <BrianAnthony> SiRrUs: I'm using warty
[05:19] <tritium> ells, okay.  That's in multiverse.
[05:20] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony I just updated them last night to hoary
[05:20] <ells> can you give me the url,
[05:20] <YankDownUnder> crypticreign: E17 is almost out....you CAN compile from CVS if you're game for it...
[05:20] <ells> I will check to see if I have that one listed
[05:20] <crypticreign> yes i know :) havent tried it yet
[05:20] <BrianAnthony> SiRrUs: I updates my sources.list to hoary
[05:20] <BrianAnthony> and apt-get update
[05:20] <BrianAnthony> apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:20] <tritium> ells, url for what?
[05:20] <ells> for multiverse
[05:20] <YankDownUnder> crypticreign: mate of mine at work is running E17- he's a mate of Rasterman....look GREAT....looks so dang cool...and is more than usable...
[05:21] <crypticreign> YankDownUnder: yeah I have a bunch of friends that are running it
[05:21] <tritium> ells, are you using Warty?
[05:21] <ells> yes
[05:21] <SiRrUs> dont know what your problem is then sorry
[05:21] <YankDownUnder> crypticreign: Trying to get all the CVS downloaded to local so I can give it a go...been three days
[05:22] <tritium> ells,  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[05:22] <crypticreign> YankDownUnder: good luck :^)
[05:22] <ells> tritium: thanks
[05:22] <tritium> sure
[05:23] <ells> tritium: I keep getting the this error The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:23] <ells>   dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.14) but it is not going to be installed
[05:23] <ells> E: Broken packages
[05:24] <tritium> ells, transcode is only on ftp.nerim.net
[05:24] <ells> sorry, can you give me that one as well
[05:24] <tritium> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:24] <ells> thanks
[05:25] <tritium> It's best to check there
[05:25] <ells> okay
[05:27] <scorpix> what's the different between universe and mutlivers in the repositories?
[05:28] <crypticreign> woah
[05:28] <crypticreign> i had no idea about the array cd releases
[05:28] <crypticreign> cool :)
[05:28] <js_> is there a nifty default tool that allows me to set up my modem?
[05:29] <trigx300> im trying to change the h an v sync on my monitor without editing all the other xserver xfree86 settings
[05:29] <trigx300> can anyone help me
[05:29] <Dr_willis> hmm.. xvidtune may help.. but the question is WHY are you trying to do it this way?
[05:29] <knewt> since hoary is only about 1.5 months away now i think it's about time to upgrade. is apt-get dist-upgrade a better choice than mark-all-upgradeable in aptitude?
[05:29] <tritium> ells, I'll be back after lunch...
[05:30] <trigx300> anyone?
[05:30] <viper12> changing your sources to 'hoary' and the apt-get dist is the better way ta' go imho.
[05:31] <viper12> trig, willis asked you 'why'.
[05:31] <crypticreign> trigx300: sup
[05:31] <viper12> knewt, its the recommended way via the hoary forums as well.
[05:32] <trigx300> oh cuz the sync vals ar rong
[05:32] <Dr_willis> trigx300,  but why the "without editing all the other xserver xfree86 settings"
[05:32] <trigx300> im installin ubuntu on another pc
[05:33] <trigx300> cuz it messes things up
[05:33] <Dr_willis> to get a working X config. I often cheat. :P and boot up a Knoppix. or Morphix live cd.. and copy ITS config file over.
[05:33] <trigx300> i mean i dont know all the other settings
[05:33] <viper12> trig....if ALL you want to do is change the values to one thing........copy the conf file and change JUST those settings.  then copy the file and use it wherever.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> trigx300,  you seem to be trying to do stuff the hard way for some reason.
[05:33] <apokryphos> Getting xorg isn't that hard on Ubuntu at all if you know what to do; the configuration is easy, too; simple command.
[05:33] <trigx300> and the way they arenow is fine
[05:34] <knewt> viper12: how much will not having ubuntu-base or ubuntu-desktop installed affect things?
[05:34] <apokryphos> knewt: You won't have ubuntu, I believe ;-)
[05:34] <viper12> knewt.........yer running ubuntu without ubuntu???? lol
[05:35] <trigx300> i tried editing with xserver xfree68 but i messed up even more
[05:35] <apokryphos> trigx300: What are you trying to do?
[05:35] <viper12> trig........just use a TEXT editor to change the values you want changed.
[05:35] <trigx300> basicly everything but the h and v sync on my monitor is good
[05:35] <trigx300> so i need to change only those
[05:35] <Dr_willis> and what are you going to change those TO?
[05:36] <viper12> trig is either on another plane of existance or not reading.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> where did yiou get the right values from?
[05:36] <trigx300> 31.5-35.5 and 50-100
[05:36] <trigx300> website
[05:36] <viper12> knewt, you running a command line only setup with ubuntu?
[05:36] <knewt> viper12: those 2 items are dependency-only things. i have /most/ of their dependencies in still, but removed a few bits
[05:36] <trigx300> it worked on mandrake
[05:37] <trigx300> so they must be ok
[05:37] <apokryphos> trigx300: Does doing a reconfigure of x not help?
[05:37] <viper12> knewt, running the apt-dist after changing the sources.list should work just fine.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> if the config file worked on mandrake.. you should be able to copy that working config file over.
[05:37] <trigx300> no cuz i have to edit all the others
[05:37] <viper12> Just be careful with the 10-4 kernel though.  It has huge problems with gam_serv (or at least it did yesterday.
[05:37] <knewt> viper12: for instance, i wanted exim not postfix, and you have to remove ubuntu-base to do that, since ubuntu-base depends on postfix, and postfix conflicts with exim
[05:37] <apokryphos> trigx300: Not exactly; run a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:37] <viper12> nods
[05:38] <trigx300> i dont have mandrake anymore
[05:38] <apokryphos> (on Ubuntu)
[05:38] <trigx300> thats what i did when i messed up
[05:38] <apokryphos> Dr_willis: The one just above ;)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> backup your existing config. and rerun the config tool
[05:39] <apokryphos> trigx300: And? Are you on Hoary?
[05:39] <ells> tritium: I tried those sources and it messed up my firestarter. i had to go back. additionally, it still gave me that error
[05:39] <Dr_willis> apokryphos,  heh where i missed it? :p
[05:39] <ells> tritium: can you recommend another dvd rip program
[05:39] <apokryphos> Dr_willis: it backs it up for you ;). Just above:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:39] <trigx300> no whats the other again?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> thats it.. dpkg-reconfigure :P i can never rember that command.
[05:39] <apokryphos> trigx300: warty?
[05:39] <trigx300> yeah
[05:40] <apokryphos> trigx300: Try going for Hoary, then you can get xorg, which is what Mandrake uses, I believe.
[05:40] <knewt> viper12: i certainly don't run most of gnome. i still use gnome-terminal for one window, but for everything else it's xterm, and i use gdm, but i don't use any other bit of gnome at all. still have a lot of it installed though as i'm lazy
[05:40] <Dr_willis> i was thinking the x.org config file was identical to the xfree one. except for the name. :P
[05:40] <Dr_willis> same 'format' i mean.
[05:41] <apokryphos> Dr_willis: That I don't know. I know that the x config file is backed up, however, on a reconfigure.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> apokryphos,  Yea - I tend to keep backups of all them as sort of a 'history' whenever i make changes.
[05:41] <viper12> knewt.....my guess here is that you'd be just fine with the upgrade via apt-get..........and if worse came to worse and those pieces DID install....just uninstall em after the upgrade.
[05:42] <trigx300> ok ill think ill just try the config again untill i get it right :)
[05:42] <trigx300> i*
[05:42] <Fleebailey33> i need help lowering the resolution from the keyboard. its and older moniter. so boot up it looks fine. but on main screen it just gets all white.
[05:43] <spiral> ouah... I managed to solve the two new problems I had with recent ubuntu updates.. Maybe I should update the bugzillas to tell about my fix... :-)
[05:43] <apokryphos> spiral: Might be a good idea, yes.
[05:44] <Fleebailey33> so anyone know how to lower then screen resolution from the keyboard?
[05:44] <spiral> apokryphos: yeah, I'll do so :-)
[05:44] <apokryphos> Fleebailey33: you mean a shortcut?
[05:44] <viper12> Flee, you talking about editing the .conf file to only select lower rez?
[05:45] <viper12> or some kinda' hotkey to lower rez?
[05:45] <Fleebailey33> i cant see anything on the moniter
[05:45] <Fleebailey33> except white
[05:45] <Joan-Baez> hi =) i need help installing a psybnc .. can some one help me plz?  =)
[05:45] <apokryphos> I'm quite sure there isn't one; certainly not by default.
[05:45] <Fleebailey33> a hot key would be ideal
[05:45] <evarlast> ctrl-alt-numpadminus <-lower res hotkey
[05:46] <apokryphos> Fleebailey33: Only other way I cant hink of changing your resolution with command line is either editing the X config file, or reconfiguring x.
[05:46] <viper12> lmao.........sorry..........just read Joan's post..........Joan Baez wants to help install a psychic..........lmao......had to double take on that. :D
[05:46] <apokryphos> the latter is probably easier.
[05:46] <Fleebailey33> ok. i cant even get command line.
[05:46] <evarlast> ctrl-alt- plus and minux  < - change resolutions
[05:47] <evarlast> ctrl-alt-F1-7 <- change virtual terminals
[05:47] <apokryphos> Fleebailey33: You can, but it'll resort in killing X. Pressing Ctrl + Alt + F1/F2...
[05:47] <Joan-Baez> can some one help me ?
[05:47] <Fleebailey33> genuis!!
[05:47] <Fleebailey33> it workwed
[05:47] <Fleebailey33> thanks very much
[05:47] <Joan-Baez> :(
[05:47] <apokryphos> That way is far more convenient. Good going.
[05:47] <viper12> Joan.......not familiar with the ap.
[05:47] <SiRrUs> Joan-Baez your back whats up
[05:48] <Joan-Baez> SiRrUs hi , sorry for my behaviour ..
[05:48] <njan> Joan-Baez, I suggest you go to ask the guys that wrote it and ask them, they'll be the most likely to be able to help you.
[05:48] <Fleebailey33> now im turning this into a home made tivo. but im figuring just making a full blown media center
[05:48] <Fleebailey33> any ideas?
[05:48] <Joan-Baez> njan oki!
[05:49] <evarlast> Fleebailey33: yes, go buy a tivo, or microsoft media center 2005 system.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> lol
[05:49] <Joan-Baez> my psy dont work on ubuntu , look Here is the strace: http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/845 and looks that some thing kill my psy, here is the netstat : http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/846, and here the compile info: http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/847, why dont work:( ??
[05:49] <Fleebailey33> but we dont have a home phone
[05:49] <Fleebailey33> and myth tv sounds like more fun
[05:50] <evarlast> Fleebailey33: sounds liek you have the answers to teh qeustions you just asked.
[05:50] <Joan-Baez> njan can you help me now pls ?
[05:51] <Fleebailey33> i guess. i just need a video capture card though right?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> Fleebailey33,  check out that "knoppmyth" (knoppix-MythTV) its sort of a specilized install just for making a MythTV box.
[05:51] <SiRrUs> updates just keep showing up today
[05:52] <Dr_willis> #mythTV guys sort of reccomended a haupage PVR-350 to me the other day.
[05:52] <evarlast> Joan-Baez: it looks like it builds and runs.  What is the problem?
[05:52] <Joan-Baez> the problem is this:
[05:53] <Joan-Baez> Thu Feb 24 14:52:30 :Can't create listening sock on host * port 52553 (bind)
[05:53] <Joan-Baez> Thu Feb 24 14:52:30 :SEGMENT VIOLATION - Crashing
[05:54] <knewt> what's the reason behind this?   The following packages have been kept back:  libpt-plugins-alsa libpt-plugins-v4l x-window-system-core
[05:54] <Amaranth> knewt: Was that on upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[05:55] <knewt> dist-upgrade
[05:55] <Joan-Baez> evarlast can you help me?
[05:55] <Amaranth> knewt: Those have missing packages or would need to remove other things to install.
[05:55] <evarlast> Joan-Baez: Joan-Baez google can help you :)
[05:56] <Joan-Baez> evarlast i think .. no
[05:56] <evarlast> psyBNC is evil cracker tool
[05:57] <Joan-Baez> im a evil girl!
[05:57] <knewt> ok, time to accept the dist-upgrade upgrade i think. 536 megs to download; will take a while :)
[05:58] <evarlast> Joan-Baez: lol, beware context.  are you naughty too?  lol.
[05:58] <SiRrUs> Joan-Baez yeah some of us saw that earlier
[05:58] <knewt> 871 upgrade, 113 new, 9 remove, 3 no-upgrade. 139MB extra disk space to be used afterwards *g*
[05:58] <Joan-Baez> SiRrUs :
[05:58] <Joan-Baez> :p
[05:59] <SiRrUs> so run along and play with google
[05:59] <BrianAnthony> okay SiRrUs that didn't do jack-shit =/
[05:59] <BrianAnthony> lol
[05:59] <Joan-Baez> SiRrUs i try www.google.afrika but dont work.
[06:00] <Joan-Baez> oh its only slow, now have load me the page, the background is not white.. its black.. ohhh
[06:00] <oling> how do i file a bug? this bugzilla is a horrible usability mess... sucks big time!
[06:00] <oling> ;-)
[06:01] <Nafallo> baah, firefox search on google if I type in the query in the addressfield ;-)
[06:01] <oling> bugzilla: " You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess. "
[06:01] <njan> Joan-Baez SiRrUs i try www.google.afrika but dont work. <= I thought you said you'd stopped?
[06:02] <Joan-Baez> njan i thought you say "explain that i will try to help you"
[06:02] <spades> anyone know of any good gtk based apps to handle bluetooth file transfers?
[06:02] <njan> Joan-Baez, I told you that several hours ago. Since then I've suggested that you go and ask the people who wrote the BNC.
[06:03] <Joan-Baez> i have no problem to run psybnc on slack, mdk, fedora, gentoo
[06:03] <Joan-Baez> why only the dark ubuntu will give me problem?
[06:03] <Joan-Baez> eh why ? why ? why ?
[06:03] <SiRrUs> Joan-Baez there are not many here that will assist you now after your racial slurs so maybe you should move along
[06:04] <oling> how can i file a bug? bugzilla always gives me: "You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess." what is it talking about? component???
[06:04] <Dr_willis> i would have to guess.. Security 'settings' under ubuntu are more secure and not letting it run.
[06:04] <Joan-Baez> SiRrUs www.froogle.afrika  , maibe you can find a zulu mask.
[06:05] <oling> rotfl
[06:07] <aplsin> my mouse cursor became fucked up when i used azureus, is there any way to fix it without restarting X?
[06:08] <aplsin> i tried to start xkill because i know that will change the cursor, but it says "unable to grab cursor".:(
[06:08] <oling> okay... then i'm writting no bug report...
[06:08] <YankDownUnder> Gads - I used to listen to Joan Baez......
[06:08] <oling> here bug report to irc channel: maybe someone read this: puredata 0.38.0 segfaults, please upgrade to the version from debian unstable... thanks..
[06:08] <oling> bye
[06:09] <SiRrUs> YankDownUnder so did I :)
[06:09] <aplsin> anyone? :(
[06:10] <aplsin> i really dont want to restart x :)
[06:10] <YankDownUnder> SiRrUs: That pegs our age mate
[06:11] <SiRrUs> yeah was thinking that about yours :)
[06:11] <marcos> hello
[06:11] <marcos> accept stupid people with stupid questions?
[06:11] <marcos> :))
[06:11] <YankDownUnder> marcos: hola guten tag
[06:12] <YankDownUnder> There is no such thing as a stupid question
[06:12] <tarzeau> say i maintain a debian package, but i don't want to support users who have ubuntu. where do i forward bug reports about packages in ubuntu that i accidently get?
[06:13] <tarzeau> searching for the package in question at ubuntu search field didn't bring anything up
[06:13] <marcos> well just installed ubuntu and have some problems with sound volume...it has only on and off..nomatter how i pull the thing there..nothing happens....no sound volume control
[06:13] <marcos> can u give me a hint
[06:13] <marcos> ?
[06:14] <YankDownUnder> marcos: What kinda sound card ya gots and what is the driver that is loading?
[06:14] <ficusplanet> So, I've noticed that hoary supposedly supports suspend and this powermanagement-interface package popping, but I can't figure out how to actually get my laptop to suspend.  Can anyone point me in the right direction.
[06:15] <marcos> soundcard is onboard...a nvidia i guess Epox8RDA3i and sound driver...well OS put the sound driver on it's own
[06:15] <marcos> ;)
[06:16] <YankDownUnder> marcos: Have you checked in the module configuration files in the /etc dir for what sound card/driver is loading?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Interesting - Just noticed that the Ubuntu Live cd has a 'boot from usb device' - anyone actually done this? how would you setup/install TO a external usb drive?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> friend at work wants to do such a thing
[06:17] <marcos> let's say in working on linux i'm a bit better than ur shoe..i can turn on the computer and i can click the mouse's buttons...could u please be more specific?
[06:17] <marcos> :|
[06:18] <marcos> what file should i look for in /etc?
[06:19] <YankDownUnder> marcos: If you look, you will find a few files for module configuration: Open a term and su to root, then cd /etc, then ls -ld *modul*
[06:19] <or> i have a problem in the install: in the part of "install base system" i get an error about mising files
[06:19] <spades> Dr_willis: damn small linux and feather linux can boot from 128 meg flash drive, damn small can do from 64 meg
[06:19] <YankDownUnder> marcos: Look through those files - you will find something relating to your sound card....
[06:19] <Dr_willis> spades,  but how do you install them TO the usb stick anyway?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> spades,  seen thse 5 GB hockypuck usb drives  for like $100  now. :P that has potential.
[06:20] <spades> Dr_willis: damn small can do it from their live cd, but both have instructions on their respective sites.  damnsmalllinux.org  check the msg board under usb, and http://featherlinux.berlios.de/usb-instructions.htm
[06:21] <or> i have a problem in the install: in the part of "install base system" i get an error about mising files
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Guy at work wants a USB external drive just for Linux. that he wants to boot off of. of course hes a total beginner.. so i gave him a few live cd's Just burnt a live ubuntu cd for him. testing it out and saw that option
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Does Ubuntu's installers have the feature where theyc an install to a usb drive?   he needs more then a "mini" linux install.
[06:22] <spades> Dr_willis: check on the live cd, it might have the option to install it to the usb drive
[06:22] <kaha> Ever since I did an update/upgrade yesterday evening (Hoary), my X locks up while loading the desktop. Any idea what might be horked?
[06:22] <YankDownUnder> kaha: What about doing a clean install....eh?
[06:23] <or> i have a problem in the install: in the part of "install base system" i get an error about mising files
[06:23] <mf_> hi everybody
[06:23] <or> hi
[06:23] <SiRrUs> kaha what kernel you using
[06:23] <BrianAnthony> SiRrUs: works -)
[06:23] <mf_> could you explain me where can i specify a default runlevel ?
[06:23] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony perfect
[06:24] <SiRrUs> enjoy it
[06:24] <mf_> at boot, my OS climb up to runlevel2
[06:24] <kaha> YankDownUnder: was fine til then. SiRrUs: not sure, but I think the kernel image was one of the things upgraded yesterday
[06:24] <mf_> howcould i specify runlevel" ?
[06:24] <thoreauputic> mf_: /etc/inittab
[06:24] <SiRrUs> let me look
[06:24] <mf_> thanks :)
[06:25] <SiRrUs> you need to add a line to your menu.lst in grub
[06:25] <kaha> I do?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> spades,  yea - checking now.. teting out the 'copy media to ram' now. :P nice to have 3 gb ram
[06:25] <SiRrUs> yep
[06:26] <kaha> So it's been loading the wrong image?
[06:26] <SiRrUs> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-4-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash noinotify
[06:26] <mf_> ok
[06:26] <SiRrUs> that line needs to look like that
[06:26] <mf_> who here know eagle-usb drivers pack ?
[06:26] <SiRrUs> ar at least the noinotify needs to be added
[06:26] <mf_> i got a pb with eagle-sub
[06:27] <Dr_willis> heh - featherlinux is 126 mb zipped... i may need a bigger memmory stick :P
[06:27] <kaha> SiRrUs: will do, thanks.  :)
[06:28] <mf_> eagle-sub script works, but a step is missing :
[06:28] <SiRrUs> hello Mr. Jones
[06:28] <spades> Dr_willis: damn small is 50 megs
[06:28] <mf_> DSP loading doesnt happen
[06:28] <SiRrUs> kaha your welcome
[06:28] <mf_> i must manually run eaglectrl -d and startadsl
[06:28] <linuxJones> any idea on when the Gnome freezing bug, will be resolved ?
[06:29] <SiRrUs> linuxJones have not heard and your talking about the noinotify problem right?
[06:29] <linuxJones> SiRrUs, yeah gnome freezing after an update this am
[06:29] <bluefoxicy> ok I can't make mythtv work
[06:29] <bluefoxicy> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[06:29] <bluefoxicy> There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program?
[06:29] <SiRrUs> have you fixed the problem yourself for now?
[06:30] <linuxJones> I am in xfce
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> pvr
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> polyvinyl whatsitcalled?
[06:30] <SiRrUs> well adding noinotify will allow the freeze to stop
[06:32] <linuxJones> let me check
[06:32] <mf_> hey , i want use synaptic from gnome environement , but when i write the su password, the window drop me and tell me "authentification rejected state1"
[06:33] <mf_> i can use it from terminal anyway , yeah , but from Xenv , its preferable
[06:33] <mf_> any idea ?
[06:33] <thoreauputic> mf_: use your user password (it uses gksudo not gksu)
[06:33] <mf_> okay :)
[06:33] <mf_> thanks
[06:34] <mf_> you make me better =
[06:34] <mf_> D
[06:34] <mf_> could you tell me if synaptic verifiy dependance ?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> yes
[06:34] <mf_> i ask you because , few minutes ago, i installed xmms
[06:34] <spiral> hi
[06:35] <mf_> but when i ran it, an inconsistence happen
[06:35] <mf_> libmkmodblabla
[06:35] <mf_> so, i need to find this lib , and install it
[06:35] <mf_> i did, and its works now
[06:35] <mf_> so, i presume a small forgot happen here ;D
[06:36] <mf_> for all say, im actually preparing a box for my mother
[06:36] <mf_> she need a good works computer
[06:36] <thoreauputic> mf_: your sources list is probably incomplete. Enable universe in synaptic
[06:36] <mf_> i did ;D
[06:36] <mf_> i can install it so i enabled the good dep ;D
[06:36] <thoreauputic> libmikmod2 is probably the lib you needed
[06:37] <mf_> anyway, its not really grave
[06:37] <mf_> but , i was chockedd because few month ago, i tried debian, and i tought it was impressive
[06:37] <mf_> apt-get is huge
[06:37] <SiRrUs> LinuxJones work ?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> mf_: c'est pas grave = it's not serious ;)
[06:37] <LinuxJones> SiRrUs, yeah thanks :)
[06:37] <SiRrUs> your welcome
[06:37] <mf_> ;D
[06:37] <mf_> gravemy ;D
[06:38] <mf_> gravely
[06:38] <mf_> lol
[06:38] <restrex> who have compiled beagle on hoary?
[06:38] <mf_> what hoary ?
[06:38] <restrex> the actually hoary xDD
[06:38] <mf_> huh ?
[06:38] <mf_> sarge ? :D
[06:38] <thoreauputic> mf_: this isn't Debian
[06:38] <restrex> !!!
[06:38] <restrex> :(
[06:39] <mf_> lol
[06:39] <mf_> yeah i know
[06:39] <restrex> so...
[06:39] <SiRrUs> mf_ coming version Ubuntu
[06:39] <restrex> ?
[06:39] <mf_> yup
[06:39] <mf_> instable so ... :p
[06:39] <tritium> mmh, back from lunch am I.  good it was
[06:39] <mf_> okay i need explain
[06:39] <mf_> i got a tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[06:39] <bascule> tritium: *chuckle* You little green person you
[06:39] <mf_> but i dont see any call to it in /etc/fstab
[06:39] <tritium> bascule, :)
[06:40] <mf_> who this ram disk is called ?
[06:40] <mf_> how
[06:40] <Dr_willis> lol - the 128mb feather linux. isent fitting on my 128mb flash drive
[06:40] <Dr_willis> :(
[06:40] <restrex> well.. I'm having problems doing the 'classic' configure: configure: error: Library requirements (gtk-sharp glade-sharp gecko-sharp = 0.6 gnome-sharp dbus-sharp >= 0.23.1 gconf-sharp gmime-sharp >= 2.1.11)
[06:40] <eikke> whats the script thats executed at first reboot called? I need to run it once more, or have some other way to autoconfigure X
[06:40] <restrex> compilng beagle....
[06:40] <eikke> restrex: in #dashboard there are ubuntu and beagle users
[06:41] <restrex> eikke ok at gimp irc server?
[06:41] <restrex> I'm gonna go there now tnx
[06:41] <eikke> restrex: yes gimpnet
[06:41] <restrex> :)
[06:42] <thoreauputic> eikke: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  ( or xserver-xorg  for hoary)
[06:42] <eikke> thoreauputic: then it wants me to configure everything manually
[06:42] <thoreauputic> indeed
[06:42] <eikke> but that other thing did it automagically ;)
[06:42] <trigx300> it worked
[06:43] <nanomad> hi
[06:43] <Tarkus> What is the difference between linux and windows??
[06:43] <hawke_> Tarkus: Nothing.
[06:43] <nanomad> is the new kernel still broken
[06:43] <thoreauputic> haha - where to start?
[06:43] <knewt> eikke: base-config
[06:43] <hawke_> What's the difference between bitchx and linux?
[06:43] <nanomad> Tarkus: freedom....
[06:43] <nanomad> lol....
[06:44] <eikke> knewt: seems to be that one, thanks :)
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: one is an operating system; the other is a strategy for maximising profit
[06:45] <evarlast> Tarkus: about 2 billion users
[06:45] <Dr_willis> aha! - silly gnome deleted the files off my usb drive... into the trash - that was still on the usb drive. :P
[06:45] <Dr_willis> silly .hidden files.
[06:45] <bascule> scatters them everywhere
[06:45] <Dr_willis> if they had a trash icon on the drive.. i would of seen that sooner. :P
[06:45] <Tarkus> is it possible for me to run linux and windows at same time??
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Tarkus,  with linux all things are possible..
[06:46] <Dr_willis> but may not be excactly HOW you want to do that task.
[06:46] <bascule> on same drive yes, using vmware yes, with a partitioning CPU mainframe yes, else no
[06:47] <evarlast> nor as easy as you wish it were.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> or specific applications with wine/cedega or other tricks.
[06:47] <nanomad> Tarkus, with linux you CAN learn something...
[06:47] <njan> This is an odd one..
[06:47] <njan> I just dist-upgraded and rebooted and all of a sudden the alsa sound quality on my system is absolutely dreadful
[06:47] <njan> same kernel, same apps, same settings for alsa.. but absolutely abominable sound quality.. to the point of being unlistenable to, it's that broken up and distorted..
[06:48] <trigx300> im trying to access my win partition but its reed only. does anyone know how i can change this?
[06:48] <Tarkus> is linux more expensive than windows??
[06:48] <trigx300> its fat32
[06:48] <nanomad> njan, strange, i'm listening to the music right now and sound is perfect....
[06:48] <nanomad> Tarkus, are u joking??????
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: err.. no
[06:48] <eikke> knewt: X config has not been updated :s
[06:48] <njan> nanomad, I'm guessing this is something specific to do with alsa. Iw ouldn't be surprised if hoary on another machine were fine :/
[06:48] <Dr_willis> ubuntu is free. :p
[06:48] <bascule> trigx300: change the umask to 0
[06:49] <bascule> ubuntuguide.org has detailed information
[06:49] <Tarkus> cause iv paid a lot of money for all my windows software, would i be able to use it on linux??
[06:49] <js_> is anybody here using a winmodem?
[06:49] <nanomad> njan, have u tried reconfiguring it?
[06:49] <Dr_willis> js_,  thers's 1000 variations of winmodems out.
[06:49] <trigx300> linuhow do i do that?
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: mostly not, without much fiddling about anyway
[06:49] <Dr_willis> js_,  some can work.. some cant in linux.
[06:49] <nanomad> Tarkus, not all the software, but u can find a lot more programs for free for linux
[06:49] <Dr_willis> depends on the exact type/brand/chipset.
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: just as win apps won't run on a Mac
[06:50] <js_> Dr_willis: i think i found that there is support for this modem.. the question is does ubuntu have such drivers includeD?
[06:50] <njan> nanomad, dpkg-reconfigure isn't terribly helpful on that count
[06:50] <njan> nanomad, what version of alsa-base and alsa-utils do you have?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> js_, check the topic and that userguide. its very well written and proberly covers it
[06:51] <js_> thanks
[06:51] <Tarkus> what are the disadvantages when using linux instead of windows??
[06:51] <nanomad> njan, wait a moment, i'll check
[06:51] <njan> Tarkus, windows applications don't run under linux unless they're ported or you use wine/crossover office/winex/etc
[06:51] <njan> Tarkus, that's really the only significant drawback.
[06:52] <Tarkus> cool
[06:52] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: you need to read and learn more: whether that's a disadvantage depends on your attitude to it I guess
[06:52] <stisti> how get my trash on nautilus desktop ???
[06:52] <stisti> and my home folder / HDD /
[06:52] <stisti> ?
[06:52] <kaha> Tarkus: mainly games, although many Windows games run fine under wine/winex
[06:52] <Tarkus> ok, well i dont play games
[06:53] <scorpix> where can i get support for ubuntu in the servers?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: Linux gives you complete control over everything in a way that windows can't
[06:53] <Tarkus> im more into web proggraming and scripting languages
[06:53] <Tarkus> how so?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: everything is open: you can lookat source code etc
[06:53] <kaha> Tarkus: Linux lets you "get under the hood", and Windows doesn't.
[06:54] <Tarkus> sweet, so i can basicaly edit the whole system??
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: yep
[06:54] <kaha> Yes.
[06:54] <kaha> Total Freedom.  :)
[06:54] <Dr_willis> hmm. My 128mb flash drive - has 116 mb free.. :P that Feather Linux need 121mb. *sigh*
[06:54] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:54] <Tarkus> Thats pretty sick, is it possible for me to choose at startup to run in Linux or in Windows??
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: if you are so inclined, you can even build your own linux (linux from Scratch)
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: dual boot? Sure
[06:55] <kaha> Tarkus: yes. Or any other OS
[06:55] <evarlast> you could even rename it to tarkusix, and make your own OS.
[06:55] <nanomad> njan, alsa-base:1
[06:55] <SiRrUs> stisti applications/systemtools/configuration editor/apps/nautilus/desktop/  change false to true
[06:56] <kaha> Give it a Mac looking GUI, and call it "Aquatarkus"
[06:56] <kaha> *old ELP freak*
[06:56] <nanomad> njan, alsa-base:1.0.8-4ubuntu1
[06:56] <Tarkus> awesome, cause i really wanna try linux, but just incase i prefer windows would it be possible for me to switch back to windows without having to reinstall the whole OS and lose my files??
[06:56] <thoreauputic> kaha: or a WinXp  GUI and call it ToyLix ;)
[06:56] <kaha> lol
[06:57] <nanomad> njan, alsa-util:1.0.8-1ubuntu1
[06:57] <Delgul> Tarkus: You make a dual boot machine...it happens automagically if you have windows installed
[06:57] <Neil3> Tarkus, you can try the live cd!
[06:57] <nanomad> Tarkus, if u want u can try a live cd
[06:57] <joeblow1234> Does anyone know which command I have to issue to get the Gnome CD/DVD Creator to come up, it isnt on its own
[06:57] <joeblow1234> ?
[06:57] <Tarkus> Neil3: live cd?
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> you know what
[06:58] <Neil3> yep
[06:58] <nanomad> Neil3, u are too fast
[06:58] <Neil3> live cd
[06:58] <Neil3> hehe
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: takes a while to learn Linux - give it a good shot: at first everything will seem different
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> I have a way to quickly aceclerate cleanup of the system and remove tons of stuff
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> deborphan -an | grep perl
[06:58] <Neil3> its a cd you put in your machine and it boots into a complete linux system and loads itself into ram
[06:58] <Neil3> you dont need a hard disk to try it
[06:58] <Neil3> lets you mess around
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> I've removed like 150 megs of perl packages already that were installed for programs I've removed but still stay installed
[06:59] <Neil3> and once you reboot, you're back to windows or whatever os you have
[06:59] <Tarkus> Neil3: how do i get one?
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> oh
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> livecds are awesome
[06:59] <Neil3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[06:59] <trigx300> anyone know somthin about freevo
[06:59] <joeblow1234> I think the command was like gnome-cd-creator but i can't find that on my system
[06:59] <kaha> Tarkus: download the iso and burn a disc
[06:59] <eikke> damnit
[07:00] <eikke> does *someone* know the name of that "first boot configuration" script?
[07:00] <joeblow1234> ah....found it.... nautilus-cd-burner
[07:00] <Tarkus> ok, thanks alot :)
[07:00] <nanomad> bye
[07:00] <Neil3> no problem, enjot
[07:00] <Neil3> enjoy
[07:00] <kaha> eikke: you mean /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[07:01] <eikke> kaha: no, XF86Config-4 :)
[07:01] <Tarkus> is it frence??
[07:01] <Tarkus> french*
[07:02] <Tarkus> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/
[07:02] <Neil3> should be in english
[07:02] <Tarkus> ok
[07:02] <nanomad> no, english (but it is multilanguage too)
[07:02] <netmonk> can anyone please point me to a good guide about skype and linux(ubuntu)? I connect ok, but have no sound...
[07:03] <max300> hello
[07:03] <nanomad> hi
[07:03] <max300> dose anyone know how to use an emulator forps2?????=
[07:04] <trigx300> halllo max
[07:04] <max300> heeeello
[07:04] <Tarkus> what do i download to get a live cd?
[07:04] <max300> david go fuck urself
[07:05] <trigx300> hey none of that in here
[07:05] <Neil3> depends on your cpu
[07:05] <Neil3> Tarkus
[07:05] <trigx300> this isnt that kind of chat
[07:05] <max300> dose anyone know how to use a ps2 emu.
[07:05] <Neil3> those filthy italians!!!
[07:05] <max300> im italian
[07:06] <Neil3> exactly
[07:06] <nanomad> me too...
[07:06] <nanomad> we aren't all the same
[07:06] <Neil3> max300 is enforcing a bad stereotype :(
[07:06] <nanomad> max300, go to #ubuntu-it
[07:06] <trigx300> I agree
[07:06] <nanomad> Neil3, i see....
[07:06] <max300> can u repete that in english
[07:06] <trigx300> i think ill go upstairs and kick his ass
[07:06] <kaha> hehe
[07:06] <nanomad> vai nel canale #ubuntu-it
[07:07] <max300> ci sono gia andato
[07:07] <nanomad> lol
[07:07] <max300> lolololo
[07:07] <trigx300> write /join #ubuntu.it
[07:08] <trigx300> i mean write /join #ubuntu-it
[07:08] <nanomad> he already went there...
[07:08] <nanomad> stunning
[07:10] <max300> k im here+
[07:10] <nanomad> me too
[07:10] <max300> wat do i doo
[07:11] <nanomad> chat in the OTHER channel. parla in #ubuntu-it
[07:12] <thoreauputic> trigx300,max300,  duplication is all very well, but it's a bit transparent, isn't it?
[07:14] <d33p> what happened with the fglrx-driver package that is in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto? how can I install the ati drivers into my ubuntu know?
[07:15] <nandi> any one knows the "unable to find ubuntu via gethostname() error in sudo
[07:15] <thoreauputic> nandi: you've changed your hostname, right?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> hmm - quick visit !
[07:16] <Deus> How supprotive is ubuntu with wlan cards
[07:16] <Deus> ?
[07:16] <d33p> why in ubuntuguide.org there is help for nvidia drivers but not for ati? :(
[07:17] <PacoBCN> ubuntuguide isn't official
[07:17] <thoreauputic> d33p: ask the author
[07:17] <rel> Deus, as supportive as ndiswrapper and others are I guess
[07:17] <PacoBCN> however you will find help about ATI cards in the forum
[07:17] <PacoBCN> even some howto
[07:17] <d33p> PacoBCN, thanks going to search the forum
[07:18] <PacoBCN> d33p ;)
[07:18] <d33p> thoreauputic, no prob, just wondering
[07:18] <thoreauputic> d33p: :)
[07:18] <PacoBCN> hey, people, I have a question
[07:18] <Deus> Where can i change the startup to logon with kde
[07:18] <PacoBCN> do you know about any way to deal with monkey's audio files? Ape and cue?
[07:19] <d33p> PacoBCN, ubuntuforums.org you meant?
[07:19] <PacoBCN> d33p, yes
[07:19] <d33p> PacoBCN, ok thanks
[07:19] <trigx300> Thoreaputic- duplication?
[07:19] <PacoBCN> d33p: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567&highlight=howto+ati
[07:20] <trigx300> what do you mean?
[07:21] <njan> hmm. How would I find out what the previous version of alsa-base to this one was in order to reverT?
[07:22] <njan> nm, got it :)
[07:23] <d33p> PacoBCN, it mentions the wiki page that says to install flgx-driver but my apt-cache doesn't found suck package nor none similar
[07:23] <d33p> PacoBCN, eres de barcelona?
[07:24] <PacoBCN> d33p, as es
[07:24] <d33p> PacoBCN, yo soy un canario viviendo en madrid =)
[07:25] <PacoBCN> d33p, encantado, y suerte con Ubuntu, que es un placer de distro ;)
[07:25] <d33p> PacoBCN, llevo meses con ella pero hoy he empezado a aprender a programar opengl y claro... ahora si necesito el driver de ati
[07:25] <d33p> creo que llevo desde octubre del a?o pasado
[07:26] <Tarkus> if i am using windows XP proffesional, Pentium4, 2.8GHz, 500MB RAM, 80GB HDD, geForce MX 4000. What should i download to burn onto a cd to make a Live CD??
[07:26] <PacoBCN> as es
[07:26] <PacoBCN> pero algunos lo tenamos antes
[07:26] <PacoBCN> tenamos la testing
[07:26] <nanomad> Have u got a cd burner?
[07:26] <Tarkus> yes
[07:26] <d33p> PacoBCN, afortunado ;)
[07:26] <nanomad> so, assuming u have nero.....
[07:27] <PacoBCN> no, me enter por casualidad justo cuando quera probar una distro nueva
[07:27] <Tarkus> yup
[07:27] <Tarkus> what should i download tho?
[07:27] <d33p> PacoBCN, que casualidad, me alegro, es muy buena...
[07:27] <d33p> PacoBCN, tienes una tarjeta ati?
[07:27] <nanomad> just try to download the iso....
[07:27] <nanomad> and then burn it
[07:27] <nanomad> simple ....
[07:27] <Tarkus> lol, i dont know where it is
[07:27] <nanomad> ok, i will post the link then. wait a minut
[07:28] <Tarkus> ok thank you nanomad
[07:28] <d33p> PacoBCN, tal vez no tengo las fuentes necesarias para tener ese paquete... me pegas tu apt-sources en un privado?
[07:28] <PacoBCN> no, una nvidia
[07:28] <PacoBCN> estoy en hoary, yo
[07:28] <PacoBCN> t?
[07:28] <d33p> PacoBCN, creo que tambien
[07:28] <PacoBCN> creo?
[07:28] <nanomad> Tarkus,  Are u from Canada (so i can choose the best mirror...)?
[07:28] <Tarkus> yes
[07:29] <nanomad> ok
[07:29] <Tarkus> i am in Canada/Quebec/montreal
[07:29] <PacoBCN> escribe "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:29] <d33p> PacoBCN, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse
[07:29] <d33p> PacoBCN, hoary si
[07:29] <sigglet> Tarkus: you do any goose or duck hunting up there?
[07:30] <nanomad> ok here is the link:
[07:30] <PacoBCN> ok, te las pego
[07:30] <nanomad> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[07:30] <Tarkus> thanks
[07:30] <d33p> PacoBCN, ok gracias
[07:30] <PacoBCN> nadas
[07:31] <ubuntudave> Hi all - can anyone help with apt-get problem?
[07:31] <nanomad> every1
[07:31] <sigglet> ubuntud00d: ask
[07:32] <ubuntudave> getting 'broken pipe' and 'error code (1)' with apache stuff
[07:32] <sigglet> upgrading?
[07:32] <sigglet> or fresh install of apache stuff?
[07:32] <ubuntudave> installing apache
[07:32] <ubuntudave> following guide at ubuntuguide.org
[07:33] <ubuntudave> fresh but was adding php apache when problem occured
[07:34] <ubuntudave> is there a way to rollback all apach/php installs and rety?
[07:35] <sigglet> yes
[07:35] <sigglet> apt-get --purge remove packagename
[07:35] <sigglet> that will remove even the config files ubuntud00d
[07:35] <sigglet> err
[07:35] <sigglet> ubuntudave:
[07:35] <ubuntudave> okay going to give that a go now - thanks sigglet
[07:35] <sigglet> yup
[07:35] <neighborlee> anyone yet why gftp isn't installable anymore and if a fix is in order ? ;-))
[07:36] <neighborlee> -know- why ..;-))
[07:36] <sigglet> neighborlee: what do you mean isn't installable anymore
[07:36] <sigglet> I still have it
[07:36] <neighborlee> it will not install in synaptic
[07:36] <sigglet> just upgraded it 2 days ago as a matter of fact
[07:36] <sigglet> what version?
[07:36] <neighborlee> I get errors about wrong vesrions of programs
[07:36] <sigglet> sig@idaho:~ $ gftp -v
[07:36] <sigglet> gFTP 2.0.17
[07:36] <neighborlee> checking
[07:37] <sigglet> neighborlee: you can try this: apt-get --purge remove gftp
[07:37] <sigglet> and then: apt-get install gftp
[07:37] <neighborlee> 2.0.17-6
[07:37] <neighborlee> sigglet, ok
[07:37] <sigglet> neighborlee: you using hoary?
[07:37] <eikke> how to tell apt-get I'm not on hdc but on hdb now, which makes it error out when trtying to generate an initrd?
[07:37] <neighborlee> sigglet, nope
[07:37] <sigglet> odd
[07:38] <neighborlee> although i'm aware its borked in hoary..seems what borked it there borks in everywhere ;(
[07:38] <sigglet> neighborlee: well try the: apt-get --purge remvoe gftp     then: apt-get install gftp
[07:38] <neighborlee> k here goes
[07:38] <ubuntudave> sigglet, 'E: Command line option 'p' [from -purge]  is not known.
[07:38] <ubuntudave> '
[07:38] <neighborlee> sigglet, no luck same errors
[07:39] <neighborlee> should I pm you or paste here or in #flood or...
[07:39] <sigglet> --purge
[07:39] <sigglet> apt-get --purge remove gftp
[07:39] <neighborlee> sigglet, yes thats what I used
[07:39] <neighborlee> made no difference
[07:39] <sigglet> let me see the output from your cmd line
[07:39] <neighborlee> here ?
[07:40] <sigglet> in #linuxdojo would be fine
[07:40] <neighborlee> ok
[07:40] <thor|afk> apt-get remove --purge
[07:43] <Kallicat> anyone know about setting up hotsync for a Palm?
[07:43] <ubuntudave> if i run apt-get i get told "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[07:43] <ubuntudave> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:43] <ubuntudave>   apache-common: Depends: apache-utils (>= 1.3.33-3)
[07:43] <ubuntudave> "
[07:44] <kingsley> What's the proper way to disable xscreensaver?
[07:45] <ubuntudave> but if i do that i get the error: " trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/htpasswd', which is also in package apache2-utilsdpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:45] <ubuntudave> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:45] <ubuntudave>  /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-utils_1.3.33-3_i386.deb"
[07:45] <ubuntudave> does anyone have any ideas?
[07:45] <Confiskeus> what is the ununtu clan?
[07:45] <Confiskeus> *ubuntu
[07:48] <Zindar> ubuntudave: try to remove apache2-utils... then retry
[07:49] <ubuntudave> Zindar, trying that as we speak - i seem to be ending up in 'dependency' cycles and unable to remove anything =/
[07:49] <Tarkus> can u minimize the windows you have open in linux?
[07:49] <nandi> hi
[07:50] <Zindar> tarkus: of course
[07:50] <nandi> 2 questions
[07:50] <ubuntudave> "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:50] <ubuntudave>   apache-common: Depends: apache-utils (>= 1.3.33-3)
[07:50] <ubuntudave>   apache2-common: Depends: apache2-utils (= 2.0.53-4ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed"
[07:50] <nandi> sudo error in warty
[07:50] <nandi> "unable to find ubuntu via gethostname()
[07:50] <Zindar> ubuntudave: remove apache-common, apache-utils....
[07:50] <Zindar> for starter
[07:50] <ubuntudave> okay
[07:51] <Zindar> nandi: check your /etc/hosts... do you have "ubuntu" in there?
[07:51] <ubuntudave> Zindar, apache-common remove fails: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:51] <ubuntudave>   libapache-mod-php4: Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.33) but it is not going to be installed"
[07:51] <nandi> ok
[07:51] <nandi> if yes then what
[07:51] <Zindar> nandi: type "host ubuntu"
[07:52] <Zindar> ubuntudave: well.. do you want apache1 or 2? if 2, then remove everything that depends on apache-common
[07:52] <nandi> Zindar: can i login in cli instead of gui
[07:52] <ubuntudave> Zindar, i'd go for 2 - but it seems impossible to remove the dependencies =/
[07:52] <Zindar> nandi: sure.. what's that has to do with anything
[07:53] <Zindar> ubuntudave: no.. it's doable... are you using apt-get remove?
[07:53] <ubuntudave> yeah - 'sudo apt-get --purge remove X'
[07:53] <nandi> Zindar: I am a old slack user hence the cli questiom
[07:53] <Zindar> ubuntudave: if your dependencies are really messed up, sometimes it helps running "dpkg -r"... if it's "-r".. this so
[07:53] <Zindar> nandi: sure.. go ahead
[07:53] <blah09> i have a question for the xfce users present =)
[07:54] <ubuntudave> okay thx will play about a bit more
[07:54] <nandi> Zindar: how do i do it
[07:55] <nandi> Zindar: instead of directly going to gnome let it go to cli
[07:55] <Zindar> nandi: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[07:58] <ubuntudave> hey Zindar thanks - seems to have removed everything now
[07:59] <Zindar> dave: good :)
[08:00] <xbaez> hi
[08:01] <xbaez> i'm a new user of ubuntu :)
[08:02] <Kallicat> same here... can't get my palm to sync after following the howto :)
[08:03] <SiRrUs> Kallicat same here
[08:03] <SiRrUs> I know it will work cause it does through mandrake
[08:04] <Kallicat> *nods* what kinda palm for you? mine's a zire 31
[08:05] <SiRrUs> zire 72
[08:05] <Kallicat> heh
[08:05] <SiRrUs> just got it had you model previous
[08:06] <Kallicat> *nods* yeah, they're good little toys
[08:06] <SiRrUs> :)
[08:06] <Kallicat> getting the palm up under linux is the last critical thing before I can go all linux
[08:07] <SiRrUs> Like I said I know its possible I had it working with mandrake using jpilot
[08:07] <Kallicat> yep
[08:08] <Kallicat> I tried a dmesg | less to see if any of the error messages looked relevant, but none of 'em rang a bell
[08:08] <Kallicat> not even to my two full time sysadmin buddies
[08:08] <SiRrUs> but there got to be a way
[08:08] <Kallicat> yah
[08:08] <Kallicat> did you find the right device id for yours?
[08:09] <SiRrUs> nope
[08:10] <Kallicat> hrm, that might be your probelm
[08:10] <Kallicat> *problem
[08:10] <Tarkus> do i just burn the file "warty-release-live-i386.iso" onto a cd to make the live cd??
[08:11] <thor|afk> Tarkus: make sure you burn it as a raw image
[08:11] <Tarkus> how?
[08:11] <thor|afk> Tarkus: else you'll just get an iso file
[08:12] <thor|afk> Tarkus: I'm not familiar with nero
[08:12] <Tarkus> im using roxio
[08:12] <thor|afk> but there's an option to burn as an image
[08:12] <Tarkus> roxio easy cd creator 5 platinum
[08:12] <Tarkus> ok ill find it
[08:12] <Tarkus> thanks
[08:12] <Zindar> tarkus: usually "burn image"...
[08:13] <qoke> hi.. ive read the faq re: getting Ubuntu running on MS Virtual PC, however, this reqs editing the XF86 config file
[08:13] <qoke> is there any way to get the Ubuntu LIVE working under virtual PC ?
[08:14] <qoke> (since the config file is static in the iso)
[08:14] <comfrey_work> anyone aware of firefox crashing issues?
[08:14] <comfrey_work> with warty?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> comfrey_work: I haven't had firefox probems, no
[08:15] <comfrey_work> interesting, i have 2 users on a multi-user system expereiancing crashes
[08:15] <binks> dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:15] <binks> dpkg: need an action option
[08:15] <binks> can someone help me plz
[08:16] <thoreauputic> comfrey_work: you might want to install the binary from mozilla.org for 1.0 , if you're comfortable with that
[08:16] <binks> hi all so rude of me again
[08:16] <comfrey_work> thoreauputic, good idea
[08:16] <comfrey_work> i may give that a whirl
[08:16] <qoke> sorry to ask again, but it there anyway to force X to load with 32bpp instead of 24bpp using Ubuntu LIVE ?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> comfrey_work: works well here
[08:19] <binks> has anyone an idea why i get the error with the dpkg cmd
[08:19] <binks> dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:19] <binks> dpkg: need an action option
[08:19] <qoke> try
[08:19] <qoke> dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:20] <Zindar> oh.. do you come from the rpm world?
[08:20] <binks> yes
[08:20] <Zindar> you NEVER force anything in debian/ubuntu
[08:20] <Zindar> :)
[08:20] <Zindar> that's a big no no
[08:20] <Zindar> :)
[08:20] <qoke> unless the source pkg is corrupted somehow.. in which case you've got more important things to worry about :)
[08:20] <binks> im just trying a tutorial from the forums to get the latest ati driers on
[08:21] <qoke> binks: try add that -i i suggested above, that should help
[08:21] <Zindar> bad tutorial.. where did you find it?
[08:21] <binks> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15990&page=2&pp=10&highlight=ati+drivers
[08:21] <Zindar> but you need the -i .. true
[08:21] <binks> so use the i but not the force overwrite bit
[08:21] <Zindar> I use the default ati-drivers... works fine for me
[08:21] <qoke> use both
[08:21] <binks> no 3d
[08:21] <qoke> dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:22] <qoke> a nice pkg *should* install without the force-overwrite.. but if the tut says you need it, put it in... (As Zindar explained, force-overwrite is _bad_ (tm) )
[08:23] <ogra> binks: is there any reason not to use the ubuntu fglrx driver ?
[08:23] <Kallicat> hrm, it looks like pilot-link package might have the necessary device code info for a zire series palm
[08:23] <Kallicat> dunno that it'd solve my problem tho
[08:23] <xtracto> hello, could someone help me mounting an external HD
[08:23] <xtracto> i have already everything done, i can mount it with root
[08:23] <binks> yes when i run tuxracer for me little boy the graphics are ll wrong
[08:23] <xtracto> but cant see it in user mode
[08:23] <xtracto> im mounting it in /mnt/disc directory
[08:23] <qoke> xtracto: you cant mount it as another user, or you cant access it ?
[08:24] <hawke_> Kallicat: There's nothing special about the zire
[08:24] <xtracto> the directory is 777
[08:24] <xtracto> I can mount it with any user
[08:24] <xtracto> but can NOT access it
[08:24] <xtracto> only with root
[08:24] <xtracto> i trid editing fstab
[08:24] <qoke> try unmount, chmod 0777 /mnt/disc, mount /mnt/disc; chmod 0777 /mnt/disc
[08:24] <xtracto> and adding user option
[08:24] <ogra> binks: hmm, so you try to install a 6.8.0 driver in hoary xorg 6.8.1 ? and expect that to work more proper then the tested drivers ?
[08:25] <ogra> hmmm
[08:25] <xtracto> nope, "you have no permissions to view contents"
[08:25] <binks> still in warty m8 not hoary
[08:25] <binks> dpkg: error processing fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb (--install):
[08:25] <binks>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[08:25] <binks> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:25] <binks>  fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[08:25] <ogra> with xorg ?
[08:25] <xtracto> the directory /mnt/disc is 777 when unmonted
[08:25] <qoke> and when mounted ?
[08:25] <xtracto> but when mounted is dr-x
[08:26] <xtracto> dr-x------
[08:26] <qoke> remove the user option, and chmod 0777 /mnt/disc when its mounted
[08:26] <xtracto> ok
[08:26] <xtracto> should I put any option??
[08:26] <qoke> defaults
[08:26] <xtracto> defaults, rw or somethng else??
[08:26] <xtracto> its a ntffs
[08:26] <xtracto> ntfs*
[08:26] <neighborlee> hey guys if anyone goes to install gftp..'gftp' alone wont work it gives dependency issues..you must use 'gftp-common' instead <<<...( sigglet )
[08:27] <qoke> umm, probably defaults, rw (i assume NTFS module still reqs. an explicit RW)
[08:27] <tarzeau> where do i forward bug reports about packages in ubuntu that i accidently get?
[08:27] <neighborlee> btw..why do some installed apps not show up in menus?..is it the app maintainers goof or what....? ;-))
[08:27] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: yes, and a dist-upgrade in warty wants to remove gftp
[08:28] <ogra> tarzeau: youre a DD ?
[08:28] <xtracto> i tried 'chmod 777 disc'
[08:28] <tarzeau> ogra: no i haven't said that
[08:28] <xtracto> read-only file system
[08:28] <xtracto> =oS
[08:28] <Kallicat> hawke: since my zire doesn't sync, it's kind of a problem for me...
[08:28] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: only the ubuntu supported ones show up, I think
[08:28] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, odd
[08:28] <ogra> tarzeau: so what kind of bugreports do you get ?
[08:28] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, ahhh
[08:28] <tarzeau> ogra: for a debian package. i'm a debian maintainer
[08:28] <qoke> try mount -oremount,rw /mnt/disc
[08:28] <SiRrUs> Kallicat if your still here I just did any time apt-update there are updates for gnome pilot
[08:28] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: stuff from universe etc seems not to in general
[08:28] <qoke> then try chmod
[08:29] <xtracto> lol ok thnks
[08:29] <ogra> tarzeau: oh, so i should have asked for DM then ;)
[08:29] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, even before I upgraded gftp wouldn't install right
[08:29] <ogra> tarzeau, which package ?
[08:29] <tarzeau> ogra: cenon
[08:30] <xtracto> lol no luck.. I can see the contents with root
[08:30] <ogra> tarzeau: hmm, cant find it in ubuntu....
[08:30] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: I think someone has messed with the deps in some od way - only noticed it yesterday
[08:30] <xtracto> isnt it something in /dev/sda1???
[08:30] <Kallicat> sirrus: ok, I'll check apt to see if gnome-pilot updates fix me
[08:30] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, I think so too yes
[08:30] <crypticreign> argh
[08:30] <hawke_> Kallicat: Any program that handles pilots should handle the zire
[08:30] <crypticreign> open office doesnt want to open any documents
[08:30] <crypticreign> it freezes up
[08:30] <tarzeau> ogra: don't ask me. the guy tells me he has ubuntu, and he has a problem. i have no idea what version, where from he gots the stuff
[08:30] <scorpix> how can i change the time to the local time ?
[08:30] <xtracto> just a thing, this disc has 3 partitions, and they are all ntfs
[08:30] <binks> ok if i upgrade to hoary will it install latest ati drivers
[08:30] <qoke> xtracto: not that im aware.. it may be the NTFS module..
[08:30] <SiRrUs> hawke_ we have unfortunately not been able to make ours work
[08:31] <xtracto> when i connected the disk, it recognizes 2 of them, and open sda4 and sda5
[08:31] <hawke_> SiRrUs: What model?
[08:31] <qoke> maybe try mount --bind /mnt/disc /mnt/disc2 (create disc2 drist and set perms)
[08:31] <SiRrUs> z 72
[08:31] <xtracto> ok ill try
[08:31] <xtracto> crap...
[08:31] <Kallicat> hawke: zire 31 here
[08:31] <xtracto> all my music is in that partition
[08:31] <xtracto> lol
[08:31] <SiRrUs> oops zire 72
[08:31] <xtracto> i want to listen to music!!
[08:31] <xtracto> =oS
[08:31] <hawke_> SiRrUs: Hmm, I have a '71
[08:31] <ogra> tarzeau: currently the appropriate way is to forward them to the ubuntu-users list currently, until our bugtracker is ready.... you can also drop in to #ubuntu-motu , we care for the universe packages...but anyway its a bit strange...
[08:31] <qoke> use disc3 then
[08:31] <qoke> or whatever
[08:32] <hawke_> SiRrUs: the only quirk is needing to tell apps to use ttyUSB1 rather than ttyUSB0
[08:32] <SiRrUs> hawke_ yours is working with ubuntu?
[08:32] <hawke_> SiRrUs: Yup
[08:32] <SiRrUs> hmmm
[08:33] <Kallicat> well, mine is set to ttyUSB1, and I followed the zire 31 howto, and it still doesn't work *g*
[08:33] <hawke_> Kallicat: well, I can't speak for a 31..
[08:33] <tarzeau> ogra: i can send to ubuntu-users without subscribing? what's the address if so?
[08:33] <hawke_> or a 72 really.
[08:33] <SiRrUs> I think i will try with this upgrade
[08:33] <qoke> umm question.. is Hoary meant to prompt for a root password to set ?
[08:33] <SiRrUs> the 31 71 and 72 should all be very similar
[08:34] <SiRrUs> i know the 31 and 72 are
[08:34] <ogra> tarzeau, <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
[08:34] <Alli> hi
[08:34] <Kallicat> yeah, but for the 31 you have to set a device ID and do some other stuff to config files
[08:34] <SiRrUs> hawke_ are you using jpilot?
[08:34] <ogra> tarzeau, you csan send without subscription, but will get a message that your mail needs listmaster approval
[08:34] <hawke_> SiRrUs: No, I've used kpilot and pilot-manager
[08:35] <SiRrUs> hawke_ kpilot so your running kde on your Ubuntu
[08:35] <xtracto> mmmm ...
[08:35] <xtracto> no, this doesnt works...
[08:35] <tarzeau> ogra: that's fine. sent
[08:35] <Alli> can anyone give me some advice how to start an own script at startup?
[08:36] <_thomas__> Im having a problem starting gnome. When i log in - the panels are drawn but then the system locks solid. no icons or menus, no cursor movement and i cant switch to a terminal. Ifi log into XFCE it works fine for about 30 seconds then i get the same problem. I think it may be a problem with one of the gtk libraries - any idea how i could track it down - which logs to view?
[08:36] <hawke_> SiRrUs: Not at the moment, no...but I have, and got it working there.
[08:36] <xtracto> what is the problem with this?? i disconnect and connect the usb drive again...
[08:36] <SiRrUs> ah ok
[08:36] <xtracto> 2 of the 3 partitions show
[08:36] <hawke_> _thomas__: What kernel?
[08:36] <xtracto> but no luck with my music
[08:36] <ogra> tarzeau, also we have a whishlist for packages.... if you want to handle the bug, tell the user to add it to UniverseCandidates in the wiki....if your package is included, the MOTU team will cae for ubuntu bugs
[08:36] <_thomas__> latest hoary
[08:37] <hawke_> _thomas__: Try adding 'noinotify' to your kernel command line in grub
[08:37] <hawke_> _thomas__: Or switch back to kernel 2.6.10-3
[08:37] <tarzeau> ogra: is motu an african word for bugfixer ?
[08:37] <hawke_> _thomas__: if you're using 2.6.10-4 that is.
[08:37] <_thomas__> ah yea - i did remember reading that it was a bit buggy - if it works, how can i help find the problem?
[08:38] <ogra> tarzeau: its the abbreviation of: masters of the universe :)
[08:38] <hawke_> _thomas__: I think the problem is known
[08:38] <xtracto> lol, now that i see, i have not sound also...
[08:38] <xtracto> =oS
[08:38] <ogra> tarzeau: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[08:38] <_thomas__> hawke_: ok - ill go try
[08:38] <_thomas__> thanks
[08:38] <hawke_> _thomas__: Yup, good luck
[08:39] <binks> do i just chage the warty bits to hoary in sources.list to upgrade
[08:39] <SiRrUs> binks yes
[08:39] <xtracto> does anyone know of another good distro based on debian??
[08:39] <crypticreign> can anyone get openoffice to work?
[08:39] <binks> then what do i do apt-get upgrade
[08:39] <SiRrUs> apt-get update
[08:40] <SiRrUs> dist-upgrade
[08:40] <binks> :)
[08:40] <neighborlee> I did  my smart upgrade and now when I click links in firefox to download something I'm getting a weird small window instead of the download dialogue box...whats causing and does anyone know of a fix ?LOL
[08:40] <binks> fingers crossed
[08:40] <thoreauputic> binks: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:40] <hawke_> xtracto: mepis
[08:40] <hawke_> crypticreign: Works fine here last I checked.
[08:40] <xtracto> ok thnks
[08:40] <binks> i have a fresh install so al should be ok lol
[08:40] <xtracto> I was using Mandrake
[08:40] <xtracto> but i wanted to try a distro based on debian
[08:41] <neighborlee> nm for now i'm just going to apt ephiphany
[08:41] <xtracto> I am in a HP pavilion laptop
[08:41] <zul> hehe
[08:41] <xtracto> so I think lots of distros wont work...
[08:41] <hawke_> xtracto: Mepis has a nice livecd with an installer, it's based around Debian and KDE.
[08:41] <xtracto> cool
[08:41] <xtracto> thnks
[08:41] <hawke_> xtracto: But the live CD will let you try it and make sure it works on your hardware
[08:42] <xtracto> cool
[08:42] <xtracto> i tried that with ubuntu but i thnk livecd is just a morphix based cd no?
[08:43] <xtracto> and anyway it wont boot up =oP
[08:44] <thoreauputic> xtracto: yes - i tried the live CD and it had major issues, but Warty installed fine
[08:44] <xtracto> well ppl, im back to Win, to download/burn/try Mepis
[08:44] <xtracto> happy hacking!
[08:44] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:44] <hawke_> xtracto: good luck
[08:44] <xtracto> u2 ... DC
[08:49] <marcin_ant> hi!
[08:49] <gstrummer> hello?
[08:49] <marcin_ant> I got a question about ppp connections
[08:49] <marcin_ant> I need to create ppp connection that will start on system boot
[08:50] <marcin_ant> how to do this?
[08:50] <gstrummer> I am trying to play some songs, but when I play them totem says cannot open file X
[08:51] <hawke_> marcin_ant: I can't remember, been a long time since I used PPP.  Unless you mean PPPoE
[08:51] <gstrummer> failed to open; erason unknown
[08:51] <gstrummer> it actually pops up twice
[08:51] <gstrummer> any ideas?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: just a guess, but if you used pppconfig to set it up, just ading the commans "pon" at the end of /etc/init,d/bootmisc.sh should work
[08:51] <hawke_> Does gnome pilot have any user interface, other than preferences?
[08:51] <crypticreign> hawke_: it works as good on hoary as it did on warty  - it startsup but thats it
[08:51] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: haven't tried it, but it's worth a go
[08:51] <marcin_ant> hawke: unfortunately not PPPoE I need this for GPRS connection
[08:52] <hawke_> marcin_ant: OK, can't help you then. :-)
[08:52] <marcin_ant> hawke: this connection is unlimited (time and bandwith) so it works simmilar to pppoe
[08:52] <morchuboo> hawke_: the noinotify option worked.. Thanks
[08:52] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: try my suggestion: set up with pppconfig then add pon to that script
[08:53] <hawke_> morchuboo: Awesome.
[08:53] <marcin_ant> hawke: but technically it is not pppoe
[08:53] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: ok thanks
[08:53] <hawke_> morchuboo: Should be fixed in the next (Ubuntu) kernel release.
[08:53] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: and another thing maybe you know how to make this connection to reconnect everytime it's broken?
[08:53] <morchuboo> hawke_: Thanks
[08:54] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: not really - but you could write a little script to do it when the ppp0 interface goes down, I suppose
[08:54] <thoreauputic> or ppp1 or whatever you have
[08:57] <Snipper_> hey anyone be able to help me with a usb problem
[08:58] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: ok trying... I'll write script and add it to cron maybe...
[08:58] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: thx
[08:58] <AcidWolf> is there something else i can use for email besides evolution cause its not working :(
[08:58] <AcidWolf> its being difficuilt
[08:58] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: I think it would need to be set to run when/if the ppp daemon ies
[08:58] <AcidWolf> grrrrrrrrr
[08:58] <thoreauputic> *dies
[08:59] <hawke_> AcidWolf: Mozilla?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[08:59] <AcidWolf> hmmm Mozilla eh
[08:59] <AcidWolf> tell me more of this Mozilla
[08:59] <hawke_> AcidWolf: either mozilla-firefox or mozilla-mailnews
[09:00] <AcidWolf> i have FireFox
[09:00] <AcidWolf> its webbrowser
[09:00] <AcidWolf> lol
[09:00] <rel> anything to burn dvd's with, except for k3b?
[09:00] <AcidWolf> or so i thought
[09:00] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: it is
[09:00] <thoreauputic> rel: gnomebaker
[09:00] <morchuboo> Snipper_: noone can help if you dont ask - tell us what's up and we will help if we can
[09:01] <thoreauputic> rel: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/   for ubuntu packages
[09:01] <Clas> I need help with install, I would like to do a network install
[09:01] <Clas> Is that possible
[09:01] <AcidWolf> thoreauputic how does firefox or thunder bird solve my issue
[09:02] <thoreauputic> thunderbird is a mail client
[09:02] <rel> thoreauputic, ok, ty. hope they have x64 packages
[09:02] <AcidWolf> oh
[09:02] <thoreauputic> rel: that I xdoubt :(
[09:02] <thoreauputic> I doubt
[09:02] <rel> thoreauputic, :(
[09:03] <rel> thoreauputic, then nothing left to install k3b and its clan of deps
[09:03] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[09:03] <thoreauputic> rel: or get the source and compile it
[09:03] <AcidWolf> hmmmmmm
[09:03] <AcidWolf> yes i did that
[09:03] <AcidWolf> its installing
[09:03] <thoreauputic> ok
[09:03] <AcidWolf> thank you :)
[09:03] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:03] <hawke_> rel: How about grave...something
[09:03] <thoreauputic> graveman
[09:04] <hawke_> yes
[09:04] <hawke_> Is that any good?
[09:04] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: thank you :)
[09:04] <rel> hawke, seen that, installed it. but version 0.3.8 sups dvd. and in repo onlt 0.3.6
[09:04] <AcidWolf> oh wow look @ that 4am
[09:04] <pignu> Hello, just got one question, How do I change X resolution?.. I did run xf86config, but it didnt update the resolution, :/
[09:04] <AcidWolf> aaah to hell with it
[09:04] <AcidWolf> ill just pull an all nighter
[09:04] <hawke_> rel: Ah, OK
[09:05] <ulisse> hi all
[09:05] <stuNNed> pignu: you really shouldn't need to run that
[09:05] <CountDown> Hey hawke_, bborkk here.  I figured out the wxPython problem.
[09:05] <FHacktor> how to hear music with flash in mozilla? i have the mozilla plugin in my system but i can't hear any music i think i need to install some codecs can someone help me plz?
[09:05] <rel> thoreauputic, wget source and then ./configure etc? or deb-src?
[09:05] <pignu> well, im down on a very low resolution, and from the gui, I can't change it to higher
[09:05] <hawke_> CountDown: Oh?  What was it?
[09:06] <ulisse> I'm having troubles with hoary, booting with the latest kernel gnome hangs after a while...
[09:06] <hawke_> FHacktor: Kill esound and/or polypaudio
[09:06] <ulisse> is it a known issue?
[09:06] <Kokey> pignu, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:06] <CountDown> hawke_: Turns out my PYTHONPATH variable wasn't set and wxPython2.4 didn't know how to deal with multiple installs of wxPython without it.
[09:06] <hawke_> ulisse: Yes.
[09:06] <ulisse> ok
[09:06] <Solarwinds> HI
[09:06] <Hexadecimal> Hello, Solarwinds.
[09:06] <hawke_> ulisse: Add "noinotify" to your kernel commandline in grub
[09:06] <morchuboo> ulisse: add noinotify to your kernel options
[09:06] <pignu> thx, ^_^
[09:07] <morchuboo> hawke_,  :P
[09:07] <Hexadecimal> Who can help me install a nic driver?
[09:07] <hawke_> morchuboo: :-)
[09:07] <Solarwinds> I would like to change the login splash, Need help...
[09:07] <hawke_> morchuboo: beat you by a smidgen
[09:07] <Kokey> hawke, what that do?
[09:07] <morchuboo> hawke: lol
[09:07] <CountDown> Kokey: What does what do?
[09:07] <hawke_> CountDown: Ah, that makes sense I suppose.  Fun fun.
[09:07] <hawke_> Kokey: Turns off inotify...
[09:07] <CountDown> hawke_: More fun than I was looking for, but at least everything works now.
[09:08] <rel> does inotify clash with gamin?
[09:08] <CountDown> hawke_: inotify is some sort of interrupt handler or something?
[09:08] <ulisse> hawke_, morchuboo : done, thanks. Now I'm ready for the next problem...
[09:08] <CountDown> rel: I think so.  I had problems with gamin before I added noinotify.
[09:08] <hawke_> rel: In kernel 2.6.10-4, there's something wrong...*shrug*
[09:08] <rel> CountDown, it traces fs changes on idone level
[09:09] <hawke_> CountDown: I think it's some sort of mechanism where the kernel notifies a process when a file changes.
[09:09] <CountDown> That makes sense.
[09:09] <ulisse> I can get nomore USB mass devices auto mounted, or better: they mount, but don't show in Computer:// or desktop
[09:09] <hawke_> CountDown: So you got picard to work?
[09:09] <rel> i know there is a patch for gamin to work with latetst inotify version
[09:10] <CountDown> hawke_: What is picard?  You mentioned that yesterday.
[09:10] <morchuboo> ulisse: thats a known problem - being worked on
[09:10] <ulisse> ok, I'll wait
[09:10] <hawke_> CountDown: Oh, n/m then...I figured that's what you were trying to use since you agreed when I mentioned it yesterday.  It's the next-gen musicbrainz tagger application.
[09:10] <ulisse> it is nice to know that I'm not alone :-)
[09:11] <hawke_> CountDown: It's the only thing I've seen that depends on wxpython2.5.3
[09:11] <CountDown> hawke_: Oh, right.  No, I just knew that it was wxPython-based.
[09:11] <CountDown> hawke_: My code depends on wxpython2.5.3.  :)
[09:11] <ulisse> morchuboo, is it the same issue for cdrom and dvd devices?
[09:11] <hawke_> CountDown: Gotcha.  What code is that? :-)
[09:12] <CountDown> hawke_: I'm writing a couple of things.  One is a featureful low-level serial port terminal.
[09:12] <morchuboo> ulisse: yep its a gamin problem
[09:12] <morchuboo> ulisse: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4066
[09:12] <CountDown> hawke_: Another is an interface for monitoring and controlling wireless sensor networks.
[09:12] <morchuboo> ulisse: and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5176
[09:13] <warty> .
[09:13] <ulisse> morchuboo, thanks a lot, now I'll stop annoyng you...
[09:13] <hawke_> CountDown: cool
[09:14] <CountDown> hawke_: Well, hopefully it will be when I'm finished.  :)
[09:14] <morchuboo> ulisse: np - its what we are all in here for - help out when we can
[09:14] <baluba> hi
[09:15] <DrArcHeH> how would i prevent partitions to be autodetected with the livecd?
[09:15] <DrArcHeH> or disable a specific harddisk?
[09:15] <DrArcHeH> can't find any option
[09:15] <morchuboo> DrArcHeH: unmount it afterwards?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> DrArcHeH: what are you trying to do?
[09:16] <DrArcHeH> well, one of my harddrives is damaged
[09:16] <ulisse> morchuboo, I know, but I should learn to search bugzilla before coming here :-)
[09:16] <DrArcHeH> and it makes the partition autodetection hang
[09:16] <neighborlee> my desktop background is working..I just added a new jpg via add wallpaper but it wont show up...known issue ?
[09:17] <DrArcHeH> morchuboo: so i can't even get to my shell
[09:17] <Vilijo> if I wand to install windows apps and games, I need to install VMware or Qemu? VMware being commercial and Qemu being slow and non-compatible with some software and not easy to install?
[09:17] <ulisse> Another thing: yesterday a boot-up disk check failed reporting about "7.3 % non contiguou", what should I do?
[09:17] <Amaranth> how is qemu non-compatible?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: just dragging an image onto the dialogue should work
[09:18] <Amaranth> and qemu has this accelerator thing that just got released that makes it "near-native"
[09:18] <Vilijo> Amaranth oh it is as compatible as vmware is
[09:18] <morchuboo> DrArcHeH: oh i see
[09:19] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, nope
[09:19] <baluba> i've this problem with gnome-panel segfaulting in a loop, which arose out of nowhere. i tried moving all gnome hidden dirs and wiping out /tmp/ but nothing changed
[09:19] <Vilijo> Amaranth is qemu hard to install? how much do I need to read manuals and how much I can go on with on-screen guide?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: :(
[09:19] <morchuboo> Vilijo: Im running Cedega for games - costs 15 for 3 months but thats all you have to pay. It runs World of Warcraft just fine :)
[09:20] <belch> daoes anyone suceeded with using the prism54g on ubuntu?
[09:20] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, very odd.its always worked before in warty..hmmmmmm
[09:20] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: the background is part of nauilus (desktop)
[09:20] <thoreauputic> *nautilus
[09:20] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, not sure why that would cause it not to work as usual but...
[09:20] <Vilijo> well, I would rather try qemu if it can run those 2 games I need to play. virtual pool 3 and Pro evolution soccer 4.
[09:21] <Amaranth> Vilijo: Neither one of them support hardware accelerated graphics.
[09:21] <Amaranth> Vilijo: DirectX will use software rendering.
[09:21] <baluba> ah-ha to session registered for gnome-panel
[09:21] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: hmm - maybe try killall nautilus && nautilus to see if it regenerates?
[09:21] <neighborlee> ok
[09:22] <smckay> Anyone have troubles loading gnome after upgrading to linux-2.6.10-4?
[09:22] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, very odd..k thx that worked...weirdddd
[09:22] <Vilijo> oh, so pes4 wouldn't work probably
[09:22] <CountDown> smckay: Nope.
[09:22] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, first time i've seen the background act like that
[09:22] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: bug in nautilus I'd say
[09:22] <neighborlee> yup indeed
[09:22] <neighborlee> nautilus really can be a pig LOL
[09:22] <thoreauputic> indeed - i use the rox filer mostly
[09:23] <neighborlee> its nice but I prefer I think 'gentoo' file manager...really kewl and so fast to load
[09:23] <neighborlee> but nautilus has some nice features yes
[09:23] <neighborlee> ah yeah...rox...
[09:23] <neighborlee> I gotta try that sometime
[09:23] <smckay> Strange, I upgraded, rebooted, then logged in.  Gnome locks starting the panel.  Went back to 2.6.10-3 no problems.  Even reinstalled, upgraded to hoary, same thing.
[09:23] <smckay> But 2.6.10-3 works
[09:23] <hawke_> smckay: add "noinotify" to the kernel commandline parameters
[09:23] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: very configurable, has thumbnails, quite quick
[09:24] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, hmm thumbnails huh
[09:24] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, I def. must try it LOL
[09:25] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: it also doesn't pollute my desktop with unwanted windows ;)
[09:25] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, LOL yeah
[09:25] <neighborlee> yeah I dont like that at all either
[09:27] <smckay> hawke_: thx I'll try that
[09:28] <davix> why does my sshd block after a few days?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> davix: it gets tired? <j/k>
[09:29] <davix> yeah, prob.
[09:30] <smckay> Thx hawke_ that worked
[09:30] <hawke-afk> smckay: hawkesome
[09:31] <smckay> Anyone running fluxbox?  Is fluxbox-gerenate-menu not included?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> smckay: which version?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> smckay: I have a recent one that includes it (0.9.12)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> smckay: the one in the ubuntu repositories is quite old
[09:34] <smckay> thoreauputic: ah, I'm running 0.9.9-1
[09:34] <smckay> Did you compile the 0.9.12 version yourself?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> ok - that's pretty recent
[09:34] <AndyR> hi all
[09:34] <thoreauputic> smckay: yes I compiled it
[09:34] <alumik> hello
[09:35] <AndyR> can anyone help me with a zip drive in hoary?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> smckay: I have a checkinstall deb of it here somewhere if you're interested in trying that: compiled on warty
[09:35] <smckay> There's a .deb on http://logicvortex.net/debian/fluxbox/ for 0.9.11, I'll try that.
[09:35] <thoreauputic> OK
[09:36] <alumik> AndyR: a parallel zip drive?
[09:37] <AndyR> no atapi ide
[09:37] <AndyR> i have it mounting and unmounting ok
[09:38] <AndyR> but eject in gnome-volume-manager doesnt work
[09:38] <sjoerd> AndyR: gnome-volume-manager doesn't eject
[09:38] <alumik> AndyR: any error message?
[09:38] <AndyR> as it points to /dev/hdd4
[09:38] <SiRrUs> good afternoon guys
[09:39] <alumik> AndyR: I see... you can't eject a partition
[09:39] <Bandit> and a great afternoon to you as well SiRrUs
[09:40] <alumik> AndyR: i'm not sure, but the problem can be in udev
[09:40] <Bandit> dont mind the rest they never say hi to anyone :)
[09:40] <thoreauputic> Hi Bandit ;-)
[09:42] <Tomcat_> Can anybody explain why xfce is in universe, but is an Ubuntu package?
[09:43] <davix> whats xfce?
[09:43] <alumik> not supported but modified by ubuntu developers
[09:43] <thoreauputic> davix: window manager/desktop
[09:43] <davix> ah.
[09:44] <robertj^> alumik: not all universe packages are modified by the developers
[09:44] <steven__>  /msg nickserv link ThePainter ThePainter666
[09:44] <thoreauputic> brought to you by the Masters of the Universe
[09:44] <Dave2> oops?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> ;)
[09:44] <robertj^> universe packages can be autobuilt from Debian even if there are no mods
[09:44] <robertj^> if it's in Debian, and it builds, it will almost always find its way into universe
[09:44] <thoreauputic> steven__: time to change your password ;)
[09:45] <robertj^> plus there is other stuff in universe that is exclusive to Ubuntu (mostly newer stuff that just hasn't found its way upstream yet)
[09:45] <robertj^> I think ;)
[09:46] <SiRrUs> :)
[09:46] <thoreauputic> steven__: ah, no I see... oops
[09:47] <ThePainter> thor Hi Im new to this Ive just worked it out, I was steven.
[09:48] <rt> it's like the bttv driver isn't working.
[09:48] <SiRrUs> ThePainter did you change your password
[09:48] <robertj^> rt ?
[09:48] <ThePainter> I dont know I dont think Ive put a password in ?
[09:49] <robertj^> rt: what's up?
[09:49] <SiRrUs> steven__  /msg nickserv link ThePainter ThePainter666
[09:49] <bodhi> how can i change the default kernel in grub?
[09:49] <CountDown> bodhi: You can edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst file.
[09:50] <ThePainter> yes thats what I typed i like it said on the freenode page ?
[09:50] <CountDown> bodhi: I think the order of the kernels in that file determines the order grub uses them.  I'm just guessing, though.
[09:50] <ThePainter> dont know what Im doing really
[09:50] <bodhi> ok
[09:51] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: is your other nick ThePainter666 ?
[09:51] <CountDown> bodhi: In particular, I would look into it further before changing anything.
[09:51] <ThePainter> yes
[09:51] <tjostolf> bodhi: at the top of menu.lst there is a line: default
[09:52] <bodhi> yes, CountDown, I am checking a grub manual
[09:52] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: OK I guess you didn't expose your password with that mistake then
[09:52] <bodhi> really? ok, wait a minute, tjostolf
[09:52] <SiRrUs> :)
[09:52] <tjostolf> bodhi: if you type 0 there the top entry boots
[09:53] <ThePainter> It said to type that with two nicknames and it links them but it posted it instead ?
[09:53] <tjostolf> bodhi: type 1 and the second entry boots .. so on
[09:53] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: you probably had a space before the /
[09:53] <bodhi> ok, tjostolf, should I do someting like "lilo"?
[09:54] <ThePainter> Ill try it agian
[09:54] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: so it went into the channel instead of to nickserv
[09:54] <tjostolf> bodhi: no, do nothing more. just reboot
[09:55] <bodhi> ok, tjostolf
[09:55] <tjostolf> bodhi:  good luck
[09:55] <thoreauputic> ThePainter: tip - change to the freenode chan before entering /msg nickserv commands in case you accidentally expose your pass
[09:55] <tjostolf> bodhi: but of course read info grub
[09:56] <bodhi> ok, thank you very much
[09:57] <ThePainter> I see it worked that time without the space
[09:58] <sleeper> hi
[09:58] <sleeper> i need a program similar to dreamweaver and other similar to flash mx
[09:58] <djtansey> how do you check (from the command line) that all removable devices are unmounted?i'd like to add it to my laptop suspend script
[09:58] <sleeper> what can i use?
[09:58] <YankDownUnder> sleeper: NVU
[09:59] <sleeper> and to do flash ?
[09:59] <bodhi> tjostolf, should i count "recovery" entries in menu.lst to set default?
[09:59] <YankDownUnder> sleeper: NVU
[09:59] <sleeper> i can do two things with nvu?
[09:59] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: NVU does flash?
[10:00] <tjostolf> bodhi: i think so
[10:01] <sleeper> mmmmmm
[10:01] <bluefoxicy> mmmm bj. . .
[10:01] <palfi> :)
[10:01] <sleeper> i dont find it
[10:02] <sleeper> where can i get it?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> sleeper: read ubuntuguide.org - it tells you how to find and install it
[10:03] <sleeper> ok
[10:03] <sleeper> thx
[10:04] <ThePainter> sleeper: You can run Flash MX via Crossover Office, dont know if this helps ?
[10:05] <sleeper> ? sry my english is very bad
[10:05] <SiRrUs> sleeper np
[10:06] <thoreauputic> sleeper: there's a #ubuntu-es I believe
[10:07] <Cube-ness> anybody know anything about inoded enabled kerels causing kernel panic during hotplug startup?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> sleeper: 14 people in #ubuntu-es at the moment
[10:07] <sleeper> yes but nobody answer
[10:08] <thoreauputic> sleeper: 2 minutes is not long ;)
[10:08] <CountDown> Cube-ness: It's a problem with 2.6.10-4.  It's being worked on.
[10:08] <thoreauputic> sleeper: have you read the links in the topic for that channel?
[10:08] <ubuntudave> Cube-ness, check the forum - long thread on it
[10:08] <sleeper> i am reading 1 helper about nvu
[10:09] <sleeper> thx a lot
[10:09] <CountDown> Cube-ness: Add the noinotify option in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:09] <thenuke> should ubuntu work OK if change HD with ubuntu to another machine
[10:10] <Darwin> Thenuke, no working
[10:10] <thenuke> okeyp, but I dont want to believe you and still test it :D
[10:10] <thoreauputic> thenuke: very unlikely unless the hardware is the same
[10:10] <ubuntudave> anyone know why i'm getting this error installing php4 for apache2?: "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-utils_1.3.33-3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[10:10] <ubuntudave>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/htpasswd', which is also in package apache2-utilsdpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)"
[10:10] <thenuke> I can switch over the nic and display adapter
[10:11] <thenuke> and I can switch over the cpu
[10:11] <thenuke> humm, let's see, so only the motherboard is changed
[10:11] <ThePainter> thenuke: I suppose you would have to have it in the same position ie' slave, master or the partitons nums would change
[10:12] <fc9k|alt> guys, i'm competely new to linux and am currently installing ubuntu through virtualpc.  is this a bad idea?
[10:12] <thenuke> ThePainter: indeed, although that would be easy to fix as I have grub
[10:13] <gstrummer> hi everyone, i'm trying to play a wma file, i was told the only way to do it is with mplayer?
[10:13] <gstrummer> is that true?
[10:14] <ironwolf> anyone able to get jre1.4.2 working with firefox on hoary? I've linked the libjava...so into /usr/lib/mozilla and enabled java, but can't seem to get it to show any applets.  Advice?
[10:15] <K00pa-Rul3X> help me channel of ubuntu spanis?
[10:15] <K00pa-Rul3X> help me channel of ubuntu spanish?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: why 1.4.2? isn't the latest one 1.5 or so?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> K00pa-Rul3X: #ubuntu-es
[10:15] <CountDown> K00pa-Rul3X: #ubuntu-es?
[10:15] <BockBilbo> K00pa-Rul3X, #ubuntu-es
[10:16] <K00pa-Rul3X> no
[10:16] <BockBilbo> K00pa-Rul3X, yes
[10:16] <gstrummer> so i guess what i'm trying to do is install mplayer, can i just apt-get install mplayer?
[10:17] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: I'll get working whatever will work.  My need is 1.4.2 or better, I tried 1.5.0 didn't work, tried 1.4.2, same results.  I just need it to work.
[10:17] <CountDown> gstrummer: You have to add multiverse, I think.
[10:17] <wezzer> gstrummer: check ubuntuforums.org
[10:17] <wezzer> -> howto
[10:17] <wezzer> there is good manual how to install mplayer and codecs
[10:17] <K00pa-Rul3X> #it ubuntu-is it is not the ubuntu channel in Spanish
[10:17] <CountDown> gstrummer: what wezzer said.
[10:17] <K00pa-Rul3X> #ubuntu-es it is not the ubuntu channel in Spanish
[10:17] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: I used the howto on ubuntuguide.org - works here for 1.5
[10:17] <ThePainter> fc9: I once installed mandrake on a Vpc but I couldnt get it to access any directories outside of the Vpc.
[10:17] <gstrummer> ok, checking the site
[10:17] <gstrummer> thanks
[10:18] <Jet2k5> hey any of you guys here currently using cpu throttle?
[10:18] <ThePainter> I followed that tut for MPlayer and half of the list to install had uninstallable dependenies
[10:19] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: you might need /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox BTW for plugins etc
[10:19] <Cube-ness> well crap.. noinotify didnt work.. still hangs at hotplug.. kernel 2.6.8 was the last kernel that worked for me
[10:19] <ThePainter> I find VLC plays just about everything and its only one file to insall. But I havent tried WMA on it cos Ive got non
[10:20] <ThePainter> I tried to upgrade to Hoary today but I last my mouse and keyboard after a reboot and had to pull the plug and reinstall Warty
[10:21] <Darwin> i nedd change firefox to 1.0?
[10:23] <error_29> Darwin:  the information on this page worked for me:http://desktopos.com/ubuntu-starter-guide/
[10:23] <mz2> huh? tomboy seems to distribute its own mono
[10:23] <mz2> that's not nice
[10:24] <mz2> the ubuntu binary
[10:24] <mz2> or rather, libdbus-cli
[10:24] <mz2> does
[10:24] <mz2> cil
[10:24] <thoreauputic> error_29: that looks like just a mirror of http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:25] <error_29> thoreauputic, you're right, if it's the "unofficial" guide
[10:26] <error_29> I got a little over enthusiastic with that page and accidentally backported a lot more stuff than I needed...
[10:26] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: so.../usr/lib/mozilla-firefox worked, /usr/lib/mozilla did not.. thanks for that tip.  It's working now with 1.5.0
[10:27] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: heh - I think java is evil anyway, so I enabled it for mozilla but not firefox (use moz if I need it)\
[10:28] <error_29> Can anyone tell me why xterm gave me an error when I tried to chmod Realplayer, but Gnome terminal worked?
[10:28] <ubuntudave> hey guys - is it possible to install php4 for apache2 via package manager? only the php4 dependencies are apache(not2) ?
[10:28] <error_29> Am I not supposed to use xterm, what's it for, is it missing features...?
[10:29] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: it's part of my job to use this particular applet, and the deal is, if I can get it working with Ubuntu, I don't ever have to boot Windows.  So needless to say, I'm motivated. :)
[10:29] <thoreauputic> error_29: I doubt that it was a question of xterm vs gnome-terminal - some other weirdness there
[10:30] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: ah, yes that's a different thing :) I understand - I have the luxury of not *having* to use it :)
[10:30] <error_29> hmm, guess so thoreauputic --
[10:31] <thoreauputic> error_29: a shell is a shell is a shell (if you follow me)
[10:31] <Darwin> what is name the pack java? For apt-get
[10:31] <error_29> prefer xterm 'cause the gnome thing is sluggish on my system
[10:31] <thoreauputic> error_29: yes it's slow to start and heavier on resources
[10:32] <error_29> Maybe my shell is cracked, thoreauputic :-
[10:32] <thoreauputic> error_29: try aterm - even lighter
[10:32] <thenuke> Darwin: ubuntu wiki has guide for installing java, so I dont know if it is better to do that way, than apting
[10:32] <error_29> thanks thoreauputic
[10:33] <thoreauputic> error_29: aterm can look cool too, if that's important to you: try aterm -tr -sh 80 -bg back -fg white    for instance
[10:33] <Darwin> thank thenuke...i am novate in ubuntu...so is very bad my english
[10:33] <Darwin> i speak spanish
[10:33] <error_29> heh, you read my mind thoreauputic - gnome terminal doesn't stand out from the other windows, problem for me
[10:34] <LinuxJones> Darwin, there is a spanish speaking ubuntu channel as well
[10:35] <thoreauputic> error_29: aterm has lots of options for transparency etc - you can also lose scrollbars by using the +sb switch if you wish (all in the man page, of course)
[10:36] <error_29> Darwin, sorry missed the first part of your query:  excellent Spanish guide here: http://guia-ubuntu.org
[10:36] <error_29> (it's a translation of the other guide)
[10:37] <error_29> installing aterm now, thoreauputic !  (weird, I thought I already had it...)
[10:37] <Darwin> linuxjones, they participants the channel #ubuntu-es is sleep...(los participantes de ese canal en espaol estan como dormidos)
[10:37] <thoreauputic> error_29: :)
[10:37] <Darwin> thank, error 29...i go
[10:37] <error_29> Cool! groovy, there it is, thanks thoreauputic
[10:38] <thoreauputic> error_29: no worries, enjoy :)
[10:38] <error_29> Estan dormiendo de ubuntu, Darwin
[10:39] <Darwin> yes error 29, the channel #ubuntu-es...no speaking
[10:39] <error_29> but I swear to god, xterm was acting like an alien shell
[10:39] <ubuntudave> can anyone help me explain this? :"E: /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-utils_1.3.33-3_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/htpasswd', which is also in package apache2-utils"?
[10:39] <thenuke> error_29: yes yes.. take this red pills twice a day and you wont see alien terminals anymore
[10:39] <error_29> Ubuntistas perisozas, Darwin
[10:40] <hawke_> UbuntuBot: htpasswd is in both apache-utils and apache2-utils
[10:40] <Darwin> yes...perozoso
[10:40] <hawke_> er
[10:40] <hawke_> ubuntudave:  htpasswd is in both apache-utils and apache2-utils
[10:40] <ubuntudave> hawke, so do i need to do anything about the problem?
[10:41] <hawke_> ubuntudave: pick either apache or apache2 :-)
[10:42] <hawke_> ubuntudave: remove whichever of apache2-utils and apache-utils you do not want.
[10:42] <ubuntudave> i did, but the php4 install asks for the apache-utils not apache2 =/
[10:43] <error_29> I swear to god, xterm was saying "too few arguments" with chmod on a file that worked fine in gnome terminal!
[10:43] <stvn> ubuntudave: try first installing apache2-utils and then php
[10:43] <ubuntudave> okay
[10:43] <ubuntudave> thanks
[10:43] <error_29> Xterm wanted an argument, I prefered not to argue, aterm it is till it gets argumenative
[10:44] <stvn> ubuntudave: I had a similar problem when i installed php and apache2 together, php kept asking for apache
[10:44] <thoreauputic> error_29: it's a fiendish plot by the gnome developers to get you locked in to gnome-terminal ;-)
[10:44] <hawke_> ubuntudave: I don't even see php depending on apache-utils or apache2-utils
[10:44] <error_29> gnome is trying to become windows
[10:44] <error_29> no no I didn't mean it!
[10:44] <hawke_> error_29: Really?  I think it's closer to Macintosh.  And that's good.
[10:44] <stvn> error_29: as in the lead desktop environment in the world? ;)
[10:45] <error_29> there you are stvn, but earned this time! :-)
[10:45] <ubuntudave> hawke, if i try to remove apache-common and leave apache2-common i get told that libapache-mod-php4 and php4 will be removed
[10:46] <stvn> ubuntudave: let it remove it, then install php4 again, it'll use libapache2-mod-php4
[10:46] <error_29> I like the interface, but am I a heretic if I say I like a lot of kde's basic apps a lot better?
[10:46] <Klaas> Good evening everybody.
[10:46] <ubuntudave> okay
[10:46] <hawke_> ubuntudave: install libapache2-mod-php4
[10:46] <jinx_> hey guys - how come every time gnome starts (i'm running warty btw) I get a message box saying 'you must run this program as a root user' ?
[10:46] <jinx_> it doesn't say which program
[10:46] <error_29> I was happy, naive noob that I am, to realize that I can have the best of both worlds
[10:46] <OrangeSlice> alright, problem:  I need gnome-sharp, and it isn't anywhere on the internet.  help me :p
[10:46] <thoreauputic> error_29: shame! shame! burn the heretic!
[10:46] <topyli> anybody coming to debconf this summer?
[10:46] <error_29> kicker kicks in ubuntu
[10:47] <thoreauputic> error_29: I use fluxbox anyway :)
[10:47] <OrangeSlice> not to mention gconf-sharp.  I assumed these would have been installed with gtksharp when I compiled it >;(
[10:47] <Riddell> error_29: not at all, I fully encourage you (so long as you don't start any flame wars :)
[10:47] <stvn> OrangeSlice: you mean libgnome-cil ?
[10:47] <OrangeSlice> yeah maybe
[10:47] <error_29> I like blackbox, what I've seen of it, but this is all still over my head
[10:47] <hawke_> error_29: I agree with you on the KDE little-apps end
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Riddell: but flame wars are so entertaining!  ;-)
[10:47] <hawke_> error_29: In fact, I use kgpg under gnome. :-)
[10:47] <error_29> terrific screen shot applet
[10:48] <error_29> kicker hides better than gnome panels, which eat the space even when hidden
[10:48] <Klaas> I've got a question concerning the ubuntu installer and hdparm, I was under the impression that the 2.6 kernel deprecates hdparm, why are you probed for params during the install?
[10:48] <stvn> OrangeSlice: it replaces gnome-sharp, i have it, not sure if it's from hoary universe or mono-alioth
[10:48] <OrangeSlice> seems to be in the backports
[10:49] <thoreauputic> I like the map... heh
[10:49] <OrangeSlice> and... problem solved
[10:49] <OrangeSlice> thanks
[10:49] <stvn> np
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Klaas: really? I didn't know hdparm was deprecated - seems a useful tool to me
[10:50] <error_29> Is it just me, or is gnome using a mishmash of old(ugly) and new(very cool) icons?
[10:50] <topyli> thoreauputic: so you have kworldclock and 40M of kde libs to go with it? ;)
[10:51] <Klaas> thoreauputic: Quite confusing huh! On my pure-debian system I no longer use it, dma and all get set correctly by the kernel.
[10:51] <error_29> and the icons as shown in icon choosing dialogs don't always match the ones actually showing up when I choose them
[10:51] <thoreauputic> topyli: hehe... yeah - I tried to install k3b without success, so I still have the libs
[10:51] <error_29> hola Darwin, que tal?
[10:51] <Darwin> hola error_29
[10:51] <thoreauputic> topyli: talk about wasting resources!
[10:52] <Darwin> fail firefox :(
[10:52] <error_29> hell, thoreauputic, I'll reinstall the whole kaboodle (heh) just to try out the apps
[10:52] <Darwin> Error: No running window found
[10:52] <Darwin> auto selected locale: en-US
[10:52] <Darwin> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?
[10:52] <topyli> thoreauputic: i used to have the libs for k3b but i replaced the lot with gnomebaker :)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> topyli: I migrated to gnomebaker instead of k3b too
[10:52] <error_29> kaboodle looks great, if not featureful, in gnome
[10:52] <topyli> yeah, it's nice
[10:52] <Pluk> how is gnomebaker now compared to k3b?
[10:53] <thoreauputic> just haven't bothered to remove the kde libs - and hey, I like the map ;-)
[10:53] <topyli> Pluk: it's ok functionally, and it's more gnomish
[10:53] <ubuntudave> hey hawke php doesn't seem to be being passed from apache to php - i get 'downloads' when viewing php pages - how can i make apache2 load the php4 module?
[10:53] <jontiz> ngon svensk hr
[10:53] <error_29> Maps are good.  I stare at the gnome weathermap for whole seconds
[10:53] <topyli> Pluk: you probably don't want to try and make video cd's or dvd's with it though
[10:53] <Pluk> ubuntudave, you have libapache2-mod-php?
[10:53] <Darwin> what instaling firefox? fail my ubuntu...
[10:54] <ubuntudave> yeah
[10:54] <error_29> momentico, Darwin...
[10:54] <Pluk> then itsmost likely automatically
[10:54] <Pluk> just restart apche2
[10:54] <thoreauputic> error_29: well, since I don't have a life, little things please me ;-)
[10:55] <ubuntudave> forcing reload now...
[10:55] <Pluk> else check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[10:55] <Pluk> php4.load shoud be there
[10:55] <ubuntudave> okay will do as php still not working
[10:55] <error_29> Necistia leer "Como anadir repositorios extras" o como asi, Darwin
[10:56] <topyli> thoreauputic: i always remove unused stuff. what i have installe i also have to update and support, so...
[10:56] <Darwin> errro_29, intente instalar el java y luego plop ya no abre el firefox
[10:56] <error_29> y, si ya tienes Firefox .9 o asi, puede "apt-get update" etc , Darwin
[10:57] <Sparkle> enough with the spanish already :/
[10:57] <ubuntudave> hey Pluk there's no php4.load
[10:57] <error_29> Darwin, tiene tu tiempo, yo, tenia muchas problemas con eso (en dos idiomas).  Debes leer, y intenta
[10:57] <Pluk> UbuntuBot, and in mods-available?
[10:57] <Pluk> oops
[10:57] <Pluk> darnit
[10:57] <error_29> Darwin, mejor
[10:57] <error_29> ooops
[10:57] <Darwin> ok...error_29 ya lo estoy bajando con apt-get
[10:58] <error_29> Mejor Google el asuntu
[10:58] <error_29> (perdon por mi espanol horrible!)
[10:58] <Sionide> grr
[10:58] <ubuntudave> Pluk, theres php4.load.dpkg-new
[10:58] <toothpick> Does ubuntu have a live cd nvidia install?
[10:58] <Pluk> hmm weird
[10:59] <Pluk> ur really sure libapache2-mod-php is installed?
[10:59] <ubuntudave> yup according to package manager
[10:59] <Pluk> maybe reinstall?
[10:59] <ubuntudave> shall u uninstall everything and try fresh?
[10:59] <ubuntudave> okay ;)
[10:59] <Darwin> i understan you spanish, error_29
[10:59] <error_29> Sparkle, if you'd prefer newbies keep asking and not understanding to someone trying to help 'em and move 'em along to their objective, bueno amigo ;-)
[11:00] <Darwin> is good you spanish, error_29
[11:00] <error_29> Gracias Darwin.  Is good you English too.:-)
[11:00] <Darwin> thank...jjjiijijij
[11:02] <Sionide> error_29, heh it's just rather annoying because "Si" is on my highlight, as some people call me Si... :P
[11:02] <Sionide> as you know, it's also yes for spanish
[11:02] <Sionide> i don't really mind!
[11:02] <error_29> You know, maybe a raiding party of English speakers should hit the Spanish channels and wake 'em up.  I feel Darwin's pain; hard to find non-English activity sometimes
[11:02] <error_29> Sionide, copacetic man I understand
[11:02] <Sionide> eh?
[11:02] <Sionide> double eh?
[11:03] <error_29> copacetico Sionido
[11:03] <and> argh. taken
[11:03] <error_29> Really, I was just so enthused to be able to lecture someone to RTFM in a language not my own
[11:04] <error_29> especially since I only started RTFM myself this morning
[11:04] <topyli> what is rtfm in spanish?
[11:04] <Sionide> well
[11:04] <Sionide> i never knew what copacetic meant till now:P
[11:04] <error_29> Hm, topyli,  stumping me there
[11:05] <topyli> heh, probably depends on what the f stands for
[11:05] <Darwin> error_29, the information in spanish in very low...is better intro channel in english than is
[11:05] <Sionide> just in case anyone was wondering: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=copacetic
[11:05] <error_29> HBO en espanol usually softens the profanity to a general "malidito" this and "maldito" that
[11:05] <ubuntudave> hey Pluk and hawke_ thanks for help - got it working - uninstalled everything then did apache2, libapache2-,php2 - thanks for all the help (ps - apt-get screwed original installation)
[11:06] <ubuntudave> php4*
[11:06] <Pluk> yw ubuntudave
[11:06] <error_29> Darwin, ok
[11:06] <_jon_> anybody having a problem with gnome crashing while loading on hoary
[11:06] <_jon_> ?
[11:06] <nubeiro> had them on warty sometimes
[11:06] <topyli> Sionide: "read the copacetic manual" :)
[11:07] <Pluk> only gnome?
[11:07] <Sionide> eh?
[11:07] <Pluk> or the whole system
[11:07] <error_29> Low is what I needed, Darwin.  Seguro que tienen mas en la red
[11:07] <_jon_> whole system, but i think it's due to gnome
[11:07] <nubeiro> _jon_, solved it rm-ing .Iceauth and .xsession-something
[11:07] <topyli> Sionide: i was just pondering linguistic questions, don't mind me. thanks for the link anyway :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> _jon_: put noinotify in the kernel line of grub's menu.lst or revert to the previous kernel
[11:07] <_jon_> i loaded xfce4 just fine
[11:07] <Pluk> add noitnotify to you kernel parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:08] <_jon_> hmm i'll try
[11:08] <Pluk> noinotify*
[11:08] <error_29> "copacetic" must be dating me.
[11:08] <snarky> hey all, i can't seem to get hardware acceleration on hoary
[11:08] <thoreauputic> _jon_: that's the work around
[11:08] <snarky> i'm using nvidia
[11:08] <snarky> and when i do the nvidia-glx-config enable step i get errors
[11:08] <snarky> (i've installed all the packages for nvidia)
[11:08] <topyli> error_29: nice word. i'm going to use it all the time in the near future ;)
[11:09] <error_29> Copacetic, man
[11:09] <snarky> any ideas?
[11:09] <error_29> or , "man copacetic"
[11:09] <error_29> heh heh
[11:09] <topyli> linux is very copacetic!
[11:10] <_jon_> will try to reboot into the kernel brb
[11:10] <error_29> topyli, yer a quick study, dude
[11:10] <JDigital> guys, I have been having eyestrain since installing ubuntu
[11:10] <topyli> snarky: what sort of errors? not that i'm an nvidia expert
[11:10] <error_29> JDigital, is that from enthusiasm, or bad fonts?
[11:10] <JDigital> it might be a coincidence, or it might not
[11:10] <snarky> topyli: weeeell, it tells me to configure it myself basically
[11:11] <topyli> heh. very helpful isn't it
[11:11] <error_29> JDigital, it's cause ubuntu just makes your machine so much more attractive to use
[11:11] <snarky> topyli: and i keep trying to configure it with the dpkg-reconfigure, but it gets me nothing
[11:11] <JDigital> heh
[11:11] <error_29> you can't tear your eyes away
[11:11] <JDigital> a sight for sore eyes
[11:11] <snarky> topyli: and i tried to just edit the xorg.conf myself and just replace "nv" with "nvidia"
[11:11] <snarky> is there anything else i need to do?
[11:11] <error_29> A friend of mine, who's been losing sleep over ubuntu (in a good way)
[11:11] <topyli> snarky: i've made all my problems go away a long time ago, by bying matrox cards :)
[11:12] <error_29> ... said today, I never liked this laptop.  Now I like it.
[11:12] <snarky> topyli: well this is a lappy, i don't have much of a choice
[11:12] <JDigital> I have it in 85Hz/68.7Khz, but I wonder if the 68.7KHz part is the same as I had in windows
[11:12] <topyli> ah
[11:12] <hawke_> snarky: That's all you should have to do.
[11:12] <snarky> hawke_: the X server crashes when i try to open it
[11:12] <topyli> snarky: have you looked at the ubuntu wiki? you probably have
[11:13] <topyli> they do have nice looking instructions there
[11:13] <snarky> yeah it tells you to do nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:13] <hawke_> snarky: do you have nvidia-glx installed?
[11:13] <JDigital> like what if I run it in fiftysomething KHz
[11:13] <snarky> yep all the nvidia stuff
[11:13] <hawke_> snarky: And linux-restricted-modules?
[11:14] <snarky> yes i do
[11:14] <topyli> snarky: sorry, i'm really useless for you now
[11:14] <snarky> it kinda cheesed me off cuz i'm on hoary and using the 2.6.8 kernel (sound doesnt work for me on 2.6.10 yet) and i had to carefully go back to the warty mirrors and get 2.6.8 stuff
[11:14] <hawke_> snarky: What happens when you run "X" at a command line and then hit ctrl-alt-bksp to kill it?
[11:15] <snarky> i had 3d working on hoary the last time i used it
[11:15] <_jon_> gnome works, but i don't have sound
[11:15] <snarky> hawke_: that restarts my x server
[11:15] <hawke_> snarky: well, I suppose it crashes anyway...but what's the output say
[11:15] <hawke_> snarky: what's in /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
[11:15] <snarky> im on xorg
[11:15] <snarky> but ill get that
[11:15] <hawke_> Oh, right
[11:15] <hawke_> yes. xorg
[11:15] <_4strO> soir all
[11:16] <snarky> heres the error
[11:16] <snarky> which is weird
[11:16] <snarky> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[11:16] <snarky> and i have all the nvidia stuff installed
[11:16] <morchuboo> Does anyone know if it is possible to use the creative prodikeys in linux?
[11:17] <Pluk> snarky, lsmod |grep nvidia
[11:17] <Darwin> error 29, look INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?
[11:17] <Pluk> does that list the nvidia module?
[11:17] <snarky> nvidia               4821556  0
[11:17] <snarky> yep
[11:17] <Darwin> i make apt-ger install --reinstall mozilla-firefox
[11:17] <Darwin> apt-get
[11:17] <viper12> when you went back to the 2.6.8 kernel, did you compile the nvidia driver modules with it? (I downgraded a bit o' go and without recompiling the module, I lost xs as well.
[11:17] <viper12> (for snarky)
[11:18] <snarky> viper12: i reinstalled all the nvidia stuff, is that all i needed to do?
[11:18] <geppy> Why can you not make up a new genre for GRIP?
[11:18] <hawke_> viper12: You shouldn't have to recompile unless you have a custom-compiled kernel
[11:18] <hawke_> geppy: Because they're standardized
[11:18] <geppy> hawke: That's dumb.
[11:18] <hawke_> geppy: Yes
[11:18] <Pluk> snarky, http://www.pastebin.com/ and post your xorg.conf there please
[11:18] <viper12> shouldn't hawke.........but I had to d/g and it LOST the nvidia stuff completely until it was recompiled.
[11:18] <snarky> k
[11:18] <geppy> hawke:  They don't have "Christian", and they _definitely_ don't have stuff like "Mine"
[11:19] <hawke_> geppy: It's an 8-bit number-to-text mapping.
[11:19] <Darwin> what recover firefox?
[11:19] <geppy> hawke: Oh.
[11:19] <hawke_> geppy: Which is also stupid.
[11:19] <hawke_> geppy: But then, that's ID3 tags for you. :-/
[11:19] <geppy> hawke:  That means that I couldn't change it in the source, I take it.
[11:19] <geppy> heh
[11:20] <geppy> hawke:  But what about those of us who don't use ID3 tags, but only vorbis comments? =)
[11:20] <hawke_> geppy: I know.  Personally I kinda ignore genre totally anyway
[11:20] <_jon_> so i have gnome now, but esd can't find /dev/dsp
[11:20] <hawke_> geppy: Since it's so vague to begin with
[11:21] <geppy> hawke:  But, I mean, could I change it so that it allows me to change it to my own values, as I'm just inserting it as text into my FLAC files anyways? (Vorbis comments, not ID3)
[11:21] <geppy> hawke:  It is a bit vague, but it's handy for organizing, especially because you have control over what genre they're named. ...or you should.
[11:21] <baluba> hi
[11:21] <snarky> Pluk: http://www.pastebin.com/245988
[11:23] <hawke_> geppy: I don't know, really.  I imagine you could.
[11:23] <geppy> hawke:  Alright, thanks.
[11:23] <snarky> Pluk: i have a 17inch widescreen lappy monitor so those weird 1440x900 res's works, and with nv in place of nvidia it works good
[11:24] <baluba> i've gnome-panel dying while parsing some config file. lookin at .xsessionerrors it states that '%' is not allowed in an entity. but i don't have the faintest idea what it is trying to parse
[11:24] <hawke_> geppy: If you do it, I'd be interested in a patch for that. :-)
[11:24] <geppy> hawke:  I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I might get around to it eventually. =)
[11:24] <Pyrus> hi everyone
[11:25] <Pyrus> anyvody still awake?
[11:25] <balor> Is there a mono development package around somewhere?
[11:25] <Pyrus> I've got a question about the minimum requirements for ubuntu
[11:25] <morchuboo> zzzz
[11:25] <snarky> Pluk: ah i gotta go man, thanks for the help (i'll just rock no hardware accel for now)
[11:26] <Pyrus> I've tried debian before and when installing it says that I should have more RAM but it works anyway, I saw that 24Megs is the minimum, anybody can confirm that?
[11:26] <topyli> Pyrus: linux works with 4M of ram (or so they say). it's gnome that's hungry
[11:26] <Pyrus> I'm not going to install any interfaces
[11:27] <topyli> Pyrus: what are you going to do?
[11:27] <Pyrus> 12 or 16, I should look how much RAM I have
[11:27] <thoreauputic> balor: try apt-cache search mono | grep dev  ( seems to be some stuff in there)
[11:27] <Weinberg> hi
[11:27] <Weinberg> :d
[11:27] <OrangeSlice> there's also http://www.mono-project.com/downloads/index.html#unstable
[11:28] <Pyrus> topyli: put up a server that should be working as a firewall/router, but just that and only with the shell
[11:28] <OrangeSlice> or am I thinking the wrong 'development' :P
[11:28] <mjr> -e
[11:28] <topyli> Pyrus: a minimal debian install should work with 12M
[11:28] <Pyrus> topyli: so ubuntu too?
[11:28] <topyli> probably
[11:28] <Weinberg> i was install ubunto and have une litle asks and i dont know
[11:29] <Weinberg> any hear speak spanish?
[11:29] <topyli> que?
[11:29] <Pyrus> topyli: trying it out is the only way of finding out I guess?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Weinberg: #ubuntu-es
[11:29] <Weinberg> tnks
[11:30] <topyli> Pyrus: well, woody installs with 12M for sure. perhaps the new installer is more demanding, dunno
[11:30] <Darwin> hola weinber..entra al #ubuntu-es
[11:30] <Pyrus> thanks topyli, I'll find out when I install it :p
[11:31] <topyli> yeah :)
[11:31] <Pyrus> it's just that it's kind of strange that they SAY some minimum but it works with less :p
[11:32] <morchuboo> Pyrus: the minimum is for the default desktop install
[11:32] <Pyrus> anyway probably going to use a more up-to-date pc next time and then I've got 256Mb to work with, no more problems :)
[11:32] <Pyrus> ah ok, thanks morchuboo
[11:32] <topyli> Pyrus: well they are talking about a full desktop install i guess. also, the installers of redhat and others are quite hungry even if you wouldn't install much
[11:32] <Jimi-Jam> hola
[11:32] <Jimi-Jam> hi
[11:33] <ubuntudave> anyone can help with my use of ndiswrapper?
[11:33] <Jimi-Jam> anyone has tried to make work ubuntu on a laptop?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Jimi-Jam: lots of people :)
[11:34] <Pyrus> it seems like ubuntu is really popular allready :)
[11:34] <topyli> and some have come back alive to tell about it!
[11:34] <Pyrus> lol
[11:34] <Jimi-Jam> I have a hp pavillion zv5000 and Im trying to make work a live ubuntu
[11:34] <lordan> Jimi-Jam, we're doing three laptop install here as I write
[11:34] <Jimi-Jam> :)
[11:34] <Jimi-Jam> but it doesn't want
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Pyrus: topped the monthly chart on distrowatch recently
[11:34] <Pyrus> good luck lordan :p
[11:34] <Pyrus> how old is it exactly then? not more than a couple of months?
[11:35] <Jimi-Jam> I looked on wiki and it says on my laptop I must put "noapic" option
[11:35] <Jimi-Jam> but doesn't want
[11:35] <viper12> In fact I'm using a laptop/ubuntu right now typing. :)
[11:35] <thoreauputic> Pyrus: 4.10 Warty = 2004 10th month
[11:35] <morchuboo> Pyrus: you might find this usefull: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[11:35] <lordan> Pyrus, I'm not counting on any problems.. :-)
[11:35] <thoreauputic> so Octber
[11:35] <thoreauputic> October
[11:35] <Pyrus> thanks again morchuboo :)
[11:35] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: linux 2.6 and acpi have problems on many laptops
[11:35] <morchuboo> Pyrus: its the miniram howto - about best config for a minimum setup
[11:36] <Pyrus> that will help me a lot
[11:36] <Jimi-Jam> topyli: but I boot on "ubuntu" option, not on "ubuntu with acpi" option
[11:36] <Pyrus> but still graphic morchuboo?
[11:36] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: but the live cd and the ubuntu install cd are completely different systems
[11:36] <morchuboo> Pyrus: yep
[11:36] <Pyrus> hmm I'm not actually gonna work graphically
[11:36] <Jimi-Jam> Im speaking about live cd
[11:37] <Pyrus> absolute minimum requirements :)
[11:37] <Jimi-Jam> nobody can help me with live cd?
[11:37] <morchuboo> Pyrus: well just do an expert / custom install then
[11:37] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: yeah, that's morphix basically
[11:37] <Jimi-Jam> I don't know morphix
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Pyrus: the ubuntu installer is the Debian Sarge installer - so any docs on the sarge installer would be relevant
[11:37] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: me neither :9
[11:37] <morchuboo> Pyrus: gives you just a terminal to log in - no X at all - you can then add what you want - or what your hardware will get away with :P
[11:37] <Pyrus> yes morchuboo, that's what I thought, I'm just going to have to try it
[11:38] <Pyrus> ah sarge, thanks thoreauputic
[11:39] <morchuboo> Pyrus: just remember apt-get update - to update the packages, apt-get install <package> to get and install something AND apt-cache to search for something that ou want to install to find its name
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Pyrus: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[11:40] <Tomcat_> Is there any project that has tried to do... "X forwarding takeover"? Like "screen" in a terminal, so you can start an X app on one PC, then continue it on another? Anybody know something? :)
[11:41] <lordan> Tomcat_, heard about something like that a while ago
[11:41] <lordan> just can't remember the name
[11:41] <topyli> difficult
[11:41] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: I think freenx can do something like that
[11:41] <Jimi-Jam> it tells me: VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknow-block(9,0)
[11:41] <Jimi-Jam> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[11:41] <drgalaxy> Tomcat_ with XDM you can save your session and log in remotely (I think)
[11:42] <Guybrush|Numb> I'm trying the dist-upgrade to hoary
[11:42] <Jimi-Jam> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(9,0)
[11:42] <Pyrus> I'll just put in the cd once I received it from my friend and see what happens :p, it will only take one more week or something like that
[11:42] <Guybrush|Numb> but i get a "x-window-system core" as "kept back"
[11:42] <Jimi-Jam> what can I do?
[11:42] <Guybrush|Numb> and it does not seem to install x-org
[11:42] <qoke> hi, what is the default user/password for the Hoary live cd ? (searched the ubuntu site, and can seem to find it)
[11:42] <Tomcat_> _jon_: VNC is great, the problem is that VNC doesn't really have the feel of X forwarding :)
[11:42] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: maybe look at the No MAchine site (they have client downloads) The server software is proprietary but freenx does the same thing
[11:43] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone can help ?
[11:43] <_jon_> Tomcat_: true, but it works cross platform nicely
[11:43] <Tomcat_> Indeed.
[11:43] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: your root device will probalby be something like hd0,0 to grub
[11:43] <_jon_> Guybrush|Numb: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[11:43] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: If you manually tell it to install xserver-xorg it should do it. Then you can dist-upgrade it all
[11:44] <Jimi-Jam> but
[11:44] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: no it won't. you want the cd since you're running the live cd :)
[11:44] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: alternatively -f to force may work....
[11:44] <Jimi-Jam> what is a "root device" ?
[11:44] <_jon_> morchuboo: --force-yes might be what you mean
[11:44] <Guybrush|Numb> i'm running dist-upgrade with "-d" aka download only, so i didn't do anything irrevocable yet
[11:44] <Guybrush|Numb> should i install xorg before dist-upgrade ?
[11:44] <topyli> Jimi-Jam: i'd think it's finding a place to find the system to boot
[11:45] <topyli> what a sentence
[11:45] <Jimi-Jam> ok
[11:45] <Jimi-Jam> my dvdrom reader
[11:45] <Jimi-Jam> is hdc
[11:45] <Jimi-Jam> what is the option root I must put?
[11:45] <topyli> so to grub it's probably hd1,0
[11:46] <topyli> i miss lilo
[11:46] <thoreauputic> topyli: it's still there if you want it ;-)
[11:47] <topyli> yeah :)
[11:47] <Pyrus> I can find the minimum RAM requirement for debian is 12Mb let's hope ubuntu is similar :)
[11:47] <bloc76> hey guys, I just installed ubuntu for the first time and everything seemed fine, but when gnome starts I just get a black screen
[11:48] <topyli> thoreauputic: as long as i can boot ok i don't care about the loader. but when a problem arises, believe me, you don't want to read the grub docs :)
[11:48] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: that is at least optimistic :)
[11:48] <Pyrus> lol nice choice of words Guybrush|Numb
[11:48] <thoreauputic> topyli: yeah, I find grub strange - but maybe it's just habit
[11:48] <topyli> for woody 12 ia ok
[11:48] <topyli> is ok
[11:49] <qoke> plz can someone tell me the default login/password for the hoary live cd ?
[11:49] <Guybrush|Numb> toply: well, plain console woody without more than a couple of services running :)
[11:49] <topyli> thoreauputic: years of lilo don't just go away. but it's simpler. why do i need the power of grub just to boot one system? :o
[11:49] <Guybrush|Numb> i ran slackware 9 on 8mb... but could not do much :)
[11:49] <Pyrus> yes Guybrush|Numb, only console and some minor services
[11:49] <_jon_> thoreauputic: when booting it says "i810_audio disabled in this configuration"
[11:50] <topyli> Guybrush|Numb: that's the install we're talking about
[11:50] <_jon_> but i want my audio :(
[11:50] <thoreauputic> topyli: comprehensible howto on grub (well written)  http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
[11:50] <Pyrus> Guybrush|Numb: dhcp, nat and the other stuff to run a nice router, also a firewall, that's probably it
[11:50] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: why ubuntu for such a basic system ? it isn't exactly it's best selling point, running on ultra-low end machines
[11:50] <topyli> ooh well written grub docs!
[11:50] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: go for debian stable
[11:50] <Pyrus> to get experience with that distro Guybrush|Numb
[11:51] <Guybrush|Numb> at that level, debian and ubuntu are practically the same
[11:51] <Guybrush|Numb> but debian stable is more.... stable :)
[11:51] <Pyrus> I'm trying out Debian allready, maybe you're right, stay with Debian, ubuntu can't be that different
[11:51] <topyli> "Give LILO the Boot and Grab Some GRUB". i like that :)
[11:51] <thoreauputic> topyli: Schroder writes useful stuff
[11:51] <bloc76> anyone have any ideas about this black screen after install?
[11:51] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc76: go to console (alt+f1) and run ps -aux
[11:52] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc76: and see which are the last processes spawned
[11:52] <thoreauputic> topyli: more of her stuff here: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/article.php/1570651
[11:52] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, ok, what am I looking for then?
[11:52] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, i have to reboot to try this so I'm trying to get all the details first :)
[11:53] <topyli> thoreauputic: yes! thanks, i'll save a bookmark for the latter so i can browse her stuff at leisure
[11:53] <Pyrus> thx Guybrush|Numb I'll keep ubuntu for the moment this pc is out of date as a desktop and install it on this one (1GHz amd, 256Mb and lots more diskspace :p)
[11:53] <thoreauputic> topyli: that rare thing, someone with a clue about linux who can make it comprehensible to mere mortals ;)
[11:53] <Guybrush|Numb> you should take note of the last spawned processes (higher PIDs) excluding the shell you are sitting on (the last couple processes), see which is the last process that GNOME started and that is stuck
[11:53] <topyli> thoreauputic: oh, that didn't sound right. you know what i mean and what i don't :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> hehe
[11:54] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, k, thanks. I'm sure I'll be back in a couple minutes
[11:54] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: you welcome, i am convinced that ubuntu excels on the desktop, but good old debian woody is perfect for console and server usage
[11:54] <topyli> thoreauputic: yes. doesn't seem like "for dummies" stuff still
[11:55] <Pyrus> that's what I thought, but since ubuntu has more udates ... I thought that might be interesting too Guybrush|Numb
[11:55] <thoreauputic> topyli: oh no - some of her articles are quite advanced and aimed at sysadmins etc
[11:55] <Guybrush|Numb> i've never seen a free software project with such an helpful community, this is f**king awesome
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb: ah, it's called Ubuntu for a reason ;-)
[11:56] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: thats why most of us changed ;)
[11:56] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: for a firewall, woody is the best, few updates means there are fewer bugs ;-)
[11:56] <topyli> thoreauputic: looking at the topics, most of it seems to be admin stuff
[11:56] <Pyrus> also true :)
[11:57] <topyli> Pyrus: i agree with Guybrush|Numb. for such a box, debian stable is the one
[11:57] <Evaso> hi guys, what about pmount and udf writing in ubuntu?
[11:57] <Evaso> is this actually working on hoary?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> well time for a shower and a meeting (*groan*)
[11:57] <Guybrush|Numb> Evaso: hi! I don't have a clue :)
[11:57] <thoreauputic> see you all later...
[11:57] <topyli> thoreauputic: bless you
[11:57] <thoreauputic> topyli: :)
[11:57] <Pyrus> thanks for the help you guys :) I don't know that much about ubuntu yet, apparently it's more of a desktop distro
[11:58] <Guybrush|Numb> good day!
[11:58] <Guybrush|Numb> Pyrus: u're right, the best one :)
[11:58] <topyli> Pyrus: yes. it's unstable with support basically  :)
[11:58] <Evaso> guybrush: clue?
[11:59] <Guybrush|Numb> Evaso: i don't have any idea :-) but it was not polite not to salute you
[11:59] <Evaso> what kernel actually has hoary?
[11:59] <Klaas> current is 2.20
[11:59] <Guybrush|Numb> topyli: what should i do, first install xorg and then dist-upgrade, or the other way around ?
[11:59] <Klaas> Just installed ;-)