[12:00] <SiRrUs> good evening folks
[12:00] <Guybrush|Numb> hi
[12:00] <morchuboo> Evaso: 2.6.10-4 at the moment
[12:00] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, no go :(
[12:00] <Klaas> Hello
[12:00] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, alt+f1 didn't do anything
[12:00] <Evaso> well, 2.6.10 has upstream support for packet writing on cd/dvd
[12:01] <Klaas> bloc76: If you're in X try (ctrl + als + f1)
[12:01] <johnnybezak> hey guys what file do i set my local ip in?
[12:01] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc: stupid me, forgive the error
[12:01] <Evaso> but what about fstab/pmount on ?
[12:01] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc76: ctrl alt f1
[12:01] <bloc76> lol
[12:01] <bloc76> k
[12:01] <Guybrush|Numb> i work too much on the console :)
[12:01] <topyli> Guybrush|Numb: beats me. i'm on warty. :) i upgraded a box months ago and then i first dist-upgraded and worried about x afterwards. things may have changed
[12:02] <Pyrus> thanks for the help guys, gotta go now, special thanks to topyli and Guybrush|Numb :)
[12:02] <Guybrush|Numb> i have no idea, so i'll follow your way :)
[12:02] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, gdmgreeater was the last process started
[12:02] <Guybrush|Numb> bye
[12:02] <SiRrUs> Evaso actually no kernel has hoary hoary has the 2.6.10 kernels tho
[12:02] <Klaas> Guybrush|Numb: Do you have a working X already?
[12:02] <topyli> Pyrus: good luck!
[12:03] <Evaso> sirrus: well 2.6.10 has packet cd writing support
[12:03] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: perfecly working, yes, but "apt-get dist-upgrade" keeps back x-window-system-core and does not get "xorg"
[12:03] <SiRrUs> Evaso ok
[12:03] <Klaas> try apt-cache show x-window-system-core
[12:03] <Evaso> sirrus: but what abount mounting it as a writible media?
[12:03] <Klaas> I believe xorg is a dependancy of it, so it should install xorg.
[12:03] <SiRrUs> but like i said hoary has the 2.6.10 kernel series not the other way around
[12:04] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc76: try apt-get reinstall gdm
[12:04] <SiRrUs> Evaso do you have hoary or warty at the moment
[12:04] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: checking...
[12:05] <Evaso> sirrus: i had debian sid. in debian u must to install the udftools and to had the 2.6.10 kernel but u need to mount /dev/pkcdvd/0 or /dev/pkcdvd/1 device
[12:05] <topyli> Guybrush|Numb: the upgrade may not be perfect. you may have to dist-upgrade many times until all the breakage is revealed :)
[12:05] <topyli> and -f install a few
[12:05] <topyli> times
[12:05] <Evaso> sirrus: not /dev/hdd /dev/hdc cdrw drive
[12:05] <Klaas> Guybrush: If you apt-get is, I think you should get a message telling you it will deinstall x86 and install xorg
[12:05] <SiRrUs> Evaso so your not running ubuntu?
[12:06] <Evaso> sirrus: yes but i want to solve the problem in debian or backporting it from ubuntu
[12:06] <Guybrush|Numb> topyli: i see :)
[12:06] <Evaso> sirrus: so upstream (debian) or ubuntu has this problem solved
[12:06] <SiRrUs> Evaso if you install hpary you dont need to worry about that
[12:06] <Evaso> sirrus: why?
[12:06] <topyli> Guybrush|Numb: or be a man and run dselect :O
[12:06] <SiRrUs> hoary even
[12:07] <SiRrUs> no idea
[12:07] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: apt-cache reveals 2 packages for x-wind..... one from xfree and one from xorg
[12:07] <Klaas> Otopyli: Oh my god... please no not dselect...
[12:07] <Guybrush|Numb> lol@topyli, i love debian/ubuntu exactly because it keeps the ugly stuff away :)
[12:07] <SiRrUs> all i know is almost everything works with hoary from the start and everything worked with warty at the start
[12:07] <topyli> Guybrush|Numb: i wish you don't have to uninstall xfree before installing xorg. that would be a chore
[12:07] <Evaso> sirrus: u had packet writing available? had u tried to put in you cd burner an udf formatted cd? are u able to writing on it as a floppy or hardisk?
[12:07] <Klaas> topyli: unless you jst dit a dpkg --set-selections
[12:08] <SiRrUs> topyli why not use synaptic and install xorg from there
[12:08] <topyli> Klaas: good point!
[12:08] <Guybrush|Numb> i'll go with an upgrade, wish me good luck
[12:08] <SiRrUs> Evaso like i said everything works
[12:08] <Klaas> Guybrush: My apt-cache doesn't show an xfree, did you dist-upgrade, removing all warty sources?
[12:09] <topyli> SiRrUs: dunno, i'm not the sportsman here, i run  warty like a good boy :)
[12:09] <Guybrush|Numb> not yet, i'm waiting to start
[12:09] <Evaso> sirrus: i think that hoary doesn't mount packet wrting with available writing support
[12:09] <SiRrUs> ah ok
[12:09] <Guybrush|Numb> i just did an "apt-get -d dist-upgrade"
[12:09] <Klaas> Guybrush: Sorry, forgot that that's the whole point.
[12:09] <Guybrush|Numb> to download the required stuff
[12:09] <SiRrUs> Evaso suit yourself
[12:09] <Guybrush|Numb> i'll go for the trust way, break it first and worry later
[12:10] <Guybrush|Numb> so let's dist-upgrade :)
[12:10] <topyli> i'm already asleep, i might as well go to bed
[12:10] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: always the best way :)
[12:10] <Klaas> Guybrush: Have you altered your sources.list and update'd the cache? It should then only show new packages in the cache.
[12:10] <SiRrUs> :)
[12:10] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: i did, i'll recheck if i forgot any source
[12:10] <Klaas> unless I'm mistaken.
[12:10] <Guybrush|Numb> morchuboo: eheh
[12:11] <bloc76> i got a mail about adding paths to /etc/X11/fs/config but that file doesn't exist
[12:11] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: many people have reported easier more smooth is to install fresh from an array CD
[12:12] <Guybrush|Numb> morchuboo: i'll die before wiping out my perfect warty system :)
[12:12] <Klaas> bloc76: Is it about font paths?
[12:12] <morchuboo> Guybrush|Numb: but hey - I upgraded too so what am i on about
[12:12] <karim> hi
[12:12] <bloc76> Klaas, yes
[12:12] <Guybrush|Numb> AND i backuped everything just in case :)
[12:12] <Klaas> Hi
[12:12] <karim> what is needed to make alsa work ?
[12:12] <karim> should the sound module safe load ?
[12:12] <Klaas> You could try altering your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:12] <karim> self/safe
[12:12] <Klaas> bloc76
[12:12] <bloc76> Klaas, i did already
[12:13] <bloc76> Klaas, would that cause gnome not to start up?
[12:13] <karim> /etc/init.d/alsa start
[12:13] <karim> Setting up ALSA...done (not loaded).
[12:13] <Klaas> bloc76: Could be, did you check the X error log?
[12:13] <morchuboo> karim: what sound card?
[12:14] <karim> morchuboo, that's a power mac
[12:14] <geppy> Say that I made a device "test" in my /etc/asound.conf, how would I refer to it as a hardware device? (e.g. hw:0,0)
[12:14] <Klaas> bloc76: Look in /var/log for the file.
[12:14] <bloc76> Klaas, nope
[12:14] <bloc76> k
[12:14] <Klaas> bloc76: Which X do you run?
[12:14] <Guybrush|Numb> if i go offline abruptly, it's because the upgrade went kaboom :)
[12:14] <karim> morchuboo, I am not sure which module should load. it was running fine few days ago
[12:15] <morchuboo> karim: so what did you change?
[12:15] <karim> morchuboo, nothing
[12:15] <karim> morchuboo, well I moved some module in /etc/modules
[12:16] <invitro> I'm having trouble installing Beagle on hoary, anyone willing to lend a hand?
[12:16] <Klaas> Guybrush: If you'r uncertain about your X session, you could switch to a normal terminal to do the upgrade (usually safest).
[12:16] <karim> but the problem was there before I did that
[12:16] <jazzka> hi!
[12:16] <invitro> I got rid of the incorrect dependency problem (with dbus-sharp) by editing the pkgconfig file, but then ran into this:
[12:16] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: it's not reinstall X this time (kept back...) so i think i'll do the xorg install from console, u're righy
[12:17] <jazzka> which is the best edonkey program? mldonkey, amule, ...?
[12:17] <Guybrush|Numb> s/righy/right/
[12:17] <borgista> jazzka, i recommend LimeWire instead.
[12:17] <borgista> but for music, i'm partial to Nicotine(soulseek client)
[12:17] <jazzka> borgista, is it available for ubuntu?
[12:17] <invitro> when I try to compile Beagle from CVS I get a lot of errors about missing assemblys (that aren't really missing). It says "No such file or directory" but the file is there.
[12:17] <borgista> yes.
[12:17] <borgista> go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:17] <borgista> and they have the easy instructions.
[12:18] <MFen> anyone around who does virtual colo with ubuntu?
[12:18] <jazzka> borgista, thanks
[12:18] <Guybrush|Numb> let me say the upgrade is pretty impressive.... i wonder how the fuck a so complex system works at all :)
[12:19] <tuxdisciple> Anyone on Hoary get a T22 laptop's sound working? The cs46xx module doesn't seem to like me...
[12:19] <karim> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:19] <Guybrush|Numb> if someone asks me the best gree software project ever.... APT-GET :)
[12:19] <tuxdisciple> karim, I saw exactly that error today
[12:19] <Neil3> argh i'm bored with linux i have nothing to defragment or fix it just works too well!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:19] <Neil3> no viruses to kill either
[12:19] <MFen> Guybrush|Numb: hundreds of debian developers slaving away in anal-retentive ecstasy
[12:19] <karim> tuxdisciple, could this be a problem of the package ?
[12:20] <karim> tuxdisciple, I will try to downgrade
[12:20] <mjr> Neil3, you should give GNU/Hurd a go, then ;)
[12:20] <bloc76> Klaas, nothing in the log jumped out at me. a bunch of errors about font paths and it reverted to the default resolution for the vid card
[12:20] <Neil3> hehe
[12:20] <Bentley> hi, when booting with ubuntu install CD, I get the error "isolinux: disk error 01, AX=4200, drive 82".  any ideas?
[12:20] <Guybrush|Numb> MFen: the goal and the results matter, all the rest are details :)
[12:20] <bloc76> Neil3, you can get my linux to work if your bored ;)
[12:20] <Bentley> it's an older PIII
[12:20] <tuxdisciple> karim, I dunno, I've been trying to get this darn sound card working all day. I'm going to try the liveCD and see if it works soon
[12:20] <MFen> Guybrush|Numb: agreed
[12:20] <Neil3> haha
[12:20] <Neil3> well bloc76 ask away ;)
[12:20] <tuxdisciple> karim, What kind of card do you have?
[12:21] <bloc76> Neil3, i just installed and when gnome starts i get a black screen
[12:21] <Neil3> only thing that doesnt work so well is sound but thats cos this sound card is a piece of poop
[12:21] <karim> tuxdisciple, it's a macintosh
[12:21] <Neil3> ah
[12:21] <Neil3> hoary?
[12:21] <bloc76> Neil3, yes
[12:21] <karim> ubuntu powerpc
[12:21] <Neil3> cos quite a few people have had issues with it...
[12:21] <Neil3> i'd suggest using warty then
[12:21] <karim> so sound card is intergrated
[12:21] <Nakah> hello, I have problems with my laptop's (IBM T40p) Bluetooth and my phone (Samsung D500)
[12:22] <bloc76> Neil3, lol, i meant warty
[12:22] <Neil3> hmm
[12:22] <Nakah> With my phone I can't see my laptop
[12:22] <tuxdisciple> karim, Yeah, mines on a Thinkpad T22
[12:22] <Neil3> so x doesnt start
[12:22] <bloc76> Neil3, sorry, new to ubuntu
[12:22] <Guybrush|Numb> Nakah: that's an hard one :) don't hold too much hope :)
[12:22] <bloc76> Neil3, nope
[12:22] <Nakah> but with my laptop I can ping my phone
[12:22] <Neil3> do you get the login screen?
[12:22] <bloc76> Neil3, nope
[12:22] <Klaas> Uhmm, does anybody know the hozsync/vertrefresh for 1024x68@60 Hz ?
[12:22] <bloc76> Neil3, gdmgreeter is the last process started
[12:22] <Neil3> i would suggest the ubuntu forums as being your first port of call
[12:23] <bloc76> Neil3, i posted and am waiting for a reply
[12:23] <MFen> so, nobody knows re: colo?
[12:23] <bloc76> Neil3, thought i'd ask in here too
[12:23] <Neil3> did you search around there?
[12:23] <karim> ok I got sound, but I can't control the sound card
[12:23] <bloc76> MFen, what about colo?
[12:23] <Neil3> chances are someone else has had the same issues
[12:23] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: is the res you wrote correct ?
[12:23] <MFen> bloc76: i'm looking for a vendor
[12:23] <bloc76> Neil3, they have but they haven't gotten an answer either
[12:23] <tuxdisciple> karim, Heh... you are like 12 steps further than me. You downgraded?
[12:23] <Neil3> hmm
[12:23] <bloc76> MFen, for what?
[12:23] <Klaas> Guybrush: Sorry?
[12:24] <MFen> bloc76: colo?
[12:24] <karim> tuxdisciple, no, I forceloaded the modules
[12:24] <karim> with modprobe
 Uhmm, does anybody know the hozsync/vertrefresh for 1024x68@60 Hz ?
[12:24] <Klaas> Guybrush: The resolution? nope, 1024x768@60Hz
[12:24] <Neil3> and ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't do anything?
[12:24] <bloc76> MFen, there are a million places to colo, what exactly do you need
[12:24] <Klaas> Guybrush: Sorry!
[12:24] <MFen> someone who does ubuntu colo
[12:24] <bloc76> Neil3, ?
[12:24] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: i thought it was some strange res :)
[12:24] <BrianAnthony> how the hell do I un-install ati's fglrx driver =S
[12:24] <MFen> virtual colo, that is
[12:24] <bloc76> Neil3, i did a ctl+alt+f1 to get the cl
[12:24] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: checking my modelines
[12:24] <tuxdisciple> karim, See my modules load for the right card cs46xx... but alsa says there is no card
[12:24] <MFen> i'm cheap and can't afford real colo
[12:24] <borgista> why do you want to uninstall, BrianAnthony
[12:24] <Klaas> Guybrush: I'm installing my laptop, and I don't remember anymore.
[12:24] <borgista> ?
[12:24] <Neil3> ctrl+alt+backspace tries to restart x
[12:25] <Neil3> there is also a log that x makes
[12:25] <BrianAnthony> borgista: I'm getting no direct rendering
[12:25] <Neil3> did you check that out?
[12:25] <karim> tuxdisciple, me too it still say there is no card
[12:25] <bloc76> MFen, lol, don't know any ubuntu vds's
[12:25] <karim> but I have sound ...
[12:25] <BrianAnthony> borgista: I'm havign complete hell with it.
[12:25] <karim> maybe it's going trough oss
[12:25] <borgista> have you edited the XFree86Config-4 file?
[12:25] <karim> I don't know
[12:25] <MFen> bloc76: yeah. i figured i'd have seen them in google
[12:25] <BrianAnthony> borgista: yeah
[12:25] <Guybrush|Numb> no way
[12:25] <bloc76> Neil3, the log has some warnings about font paths and it reverted to the defaul resolution
[12:25] <joh> Anyone else here having problems with rhythmbox? When loading songs, it only manages to add a very few percent of them to the library...
[12:25] <tuxdisciple> karim, All I still get is
[12:25] <tuxdisciple> : alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:26] <borgista> tuxdisciple. modprobe the module.
[12:26] <MFen> bwt, what does "array-5" mean?
[12:26] <MFen> s/bwt/btw/
[12:26] <BrianAnthony> borgista: I'm getting this error from the log (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.
[12:26] <tuxdisciple> borgista, It's loaded
[12:26] <Neil3> hmm
[12:26] <Neil3> cant find fonts
[12:26] <borgista> run sudo alsaconf
[12:26] <Neil3> did you do a sudo apt-get upgrade?
[12:26] <Neil3> to grab latest updates
[12:26] <karim> tuxdisciple, I got the same
[12:27] <tuxdisciple> borgista, command not found... is that in a package?
[12:27] <morchuboo> MFen: array cds are builds of the hoary testing version that are built every 2 weeks
[12:27] <borgista> well... i've never had the problem BrianAnthony, sorry. I've somehow got my driver to work.
[12:27] <Guybrush|Numb> Klaas: sorry, blocked by dist-upgrade, can't help
[12:27] <BrianAnthony> borgista: did you get it from an apt-source?
[12:27] <borgista> tuxdisciple....just go the alsa site and get "alsa-utils"
[12:27] <Klaas> Guybrush: No problem
[12:27] <borgista> No, BrianAnthony.
[12:27] <borgista> I followed the instrucions of some Debian site.
[12:27] <MFen> morchuboo: why "array"?
[12:27] <BrianAnthony> borgista: where did you get your driver from?
[12:27] <bloc76> Neil3, i haven't done an upgrade
[12:27] <borgista> Woryd, and lengthy...but it worked.
[12:27] <borgista> wordy&
[12:27] <bloc76> Neil3, i'll try it
[12:27] <Neil3> give it a go
[12:27] <Neil3> a dist-upgrade even
[12:28] <bloc76> how do i switch back to x after ctr+alt+f1 ?
[12:28] <morchuboo> MFen, its the Hoary Hedgehog release and a collection of hedgehogs is an array
[12:28] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc76:ctrl alt f7
[12:28] <Neil3> ctrl+alt+F7
[12:29] <Guybrush|Numb> bloc76: this time it's right :)
[12:29] <MFen> morchuboo: ohhhhhh.  well that is clever.
[12:29] <bloc76> thanks
[12:29] <bloc76> Guybrush|Numb, lol
[12:30] <bloc76> i really don't need xserver running, i'm just setting up a subversion server, but I wanted to play around with ubuntu
[12:30] <morchuboo> MFen: lol - a whole list collective nouns: http://rinkworks.com/words/collective.shtml - thats quite a few ubuntu releases!
[12:30] <tuxdisciple> Heh, need gcc for these utils...
[12:31] <tuxdisciple> Came from Gentoo... I just realized gcc isn't installed by default :)
[12:31] <Guybrush|Numb> tuxdisciple: LOL
[12:32] <morchuboo> MFen: thats why the Warty prereleases were sounder CDs (erm looking too much into this - Im gonna play WoW and chill)
[12:32] <Guybrush|Numb> tuxdisciple: i suppose on gentoo you get gcc as default shell :)
[12:32] <tuxdisciple> Guybrush|Numb, Heh...
[12:32] <tuxdisciple> Guybrush|Numb, Unless it was ICC
[12:33] <entius> hello, if i have started a new session in ubuntu with applications->system->new entry, and from there (gdm) i have started kde, then i have returned to gnome with ctl-alt-F7, but how can i now return to kde?
[12:34] <morchuboo> MFen: Grumpy Groundhog is the next release after Hoary - so the CDs will be either; drift, parcel or passel..... place your bets now!
[12:34] <Guybrush|Numb> nuntio vobis gaudium magnum: habemus hoary
[12:34] <entius> forget it
[12:34] <entius> ctl-alt-F8
[12:34] <Guybrush|Numb> a pizza for anybody that can actually understand this
[12:34] <MFen> morchuboo: the next one after that
[12:34] <MFen> a lodge of baldy beavers would be excellent
[12:35] <morchuboo> MFen: lol
[12:35] <Guybrush|Numb> restarting and updating to xorg, see ya
[12:35] <bloc76> can someone check if they have a /etc/X11/fs/config file ?
[12:35] <morchuboo> MFen: amen to that!
[12:36] <viper12> just looked... bloc, no /fs/ directory here.
[12:36] <tuxdisciple> I do have to say, this distro is much more fun to use than Gentoo... as in I can actually use it for stuff
[12:37] <viper12> gentoo of the source compile wait distro you mean? :)
[12:37] <mgcross> hello all
[12:37] <viper12> (no knock on it....its definitely tweakable.)
[12:37] <zenwhen> lol
[12:37] <bloc76> viper12, thanks
[12:37] <viper12> np bloc
[12:38] <Locutus1976> can p3's use the 686 kernel?
[12:38] <mgcross> antone had any success with Enemy Territory on Ubuntu64 (Hoary)
[12:38] <mgcross> er anyone?
[12:38] <bloc76> viper12, do you get error messages at boot about your font path?
[12:38] <viper12> none.
[12:38] <viper12> (for bloc)
[12:38] <johnnybezak> hey guys i've got a sound problem, i installed real player yesterday and it seems to have broken my sound, when I use alsamixer i cant increase the volume to the headphone jack which is where i have my speakers plugged in, can anyone help?
[12:39] <viper12> the only change was the realplayer install johnny?
[12:40] <johnnybezak> yeah and then i shut it down last night, everything was working, powered up this morning and sound doesnt work
[12:41] <viper12> warty or hoary?
[12:41] <johnnybezak> is there a way to delete my alsa settings and reinstall/configure
[12:41] <viper12> and why shut 'er down?
[12:41] <johnnybezak> lol im askin myself the same question
[12:41] <viper12> LOL
[12:41] <johnnybezak> i'm using the stable one whichever one that is haha
[12:41] <viper12> warty
[12:41] <johnnybezak> crazy version names
[12:41] <johnnybezak> :)
[12:42] <entius> i am trying to use kdessh from kde on ubuntu, but program does not start, what is happening?
[12:42] <viper12> well first off, unless I've taken some valium, real's open source player, from what I've read........is a p.o.s. buncha code at this point.  have you checked their forums?
[12:43] <Jimi-Jam> thx
[12:43] <Jimi-Jam> cu
[12:44] <johnnybezak> viper12: no not yet i probably should, and yes there player is a p.o.s
[12:44] <Riddell> entius: what is kdessh?
[12:44] <cybane> Is there a terminal command to tell me what version my linux kernel is?
[12:44] <borgista> cybane, uname -r
[12:45] <geppy> ta-as
[12:45] <viper12> I'd check there first, but also do a search in the ubuntu main page (righthand top) with realplayer as the keyword. prolly some stuff there.  I'd help more, but I won't install their stuff.
[12:45] <geppy> tapas: still:  ALSA lib pcm.c:2035:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so
[12:45] <cybane> Anyone ever have problems with flash media and ubuntu?
[12:45] <tuxdisciple> borgista, Negative, alsaconf gives the same errors after running
[12:45] <cybane> I am thinking of getting a pen drive
[12:45] <borgista> what errors are those?
[12:45] <cybane> one of those 128MB deals
[12:45] <tuxdisciple> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:45] <viper12> just got rythmbox,totem, mplayer, xmms and that bunch working great, so rm's will havta' wait. ;)
[12:46] <spades> cybane: only problem i had was it wasnt formatted fat32, it was fat16 and wouldnt mount, formatted it on my bros pc and it was all good after it
[12:46] <Zotnix> mplayer doesn't work well for me.
[12:46] <morchuboo> cybane: I have a Sony microvault and a Creative Muvo V200 - both work flawlessly and mount as a removable storage device
[12:46] <Zotnix> can't get into full screen mode.
[12:46] <Zotnix> I got full screen but the video itself doesn't resize.
[12:47] <Zotnix> Too bad because I used to always use it. ;)
[12:47] <Guybrush|Numb> help! :-(
[12:47] <spades> Zotnix: lower your resolution so it looks fullscreen at normal res
[12:47] <cybane> cool
[12:47] <Guybrush|Numb> i get a "package can not be authenticated" trying to install xserver-xorg
[12:47] <cybane> Does ubuntu mount them auto for you?
[12:48] <morchuboo> cybane: I just wish my muvo could play my oggs!! - if you want an mp3 player with it then get an Iriver or something else that can play whatever you use
[12:48] <spades> after i formatted it right it auto mounts
[12:48] <viper12> um...are you issuing that command with 'sudo' guybrush?
[12:48] <cybane> not an MP3 player just a USB flash storage device
[12:48] <morchuboo> cybane: yep - automounts just like a CD
[12:48] <borgista> iAudio are also GOOD players
[12:48] <Guybrush|Numb> viper12: yes
[12:48] <Guybrush|Numb> i upgraded to hoary without a glitch
[12:48] <tuxdisciple> borgista, rebooting didn't get rid of the problem :/
[12:49] <cybane> Good
[12:49] <Guybrush|Numb> now i'm trying to install xorg
[12:49] <Guybrush|Numb> but:
[12:49] <cybane> I hate using floppy disks and I think this will be a good soultion
[12:49] <Guybrush|Numb> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[12:49] <Guybrush|Numb>   xserver-xorg
[12:49] <Guybrush|Numb> Install these packages without verification? [y/N]  n
[12:49] <cybane> err solution
[12:49] <viper12> are you doing it via synaptic or command line ?
[12:49] <Guybrush|Numb> cmdline
[12:49] <Guybrush|Numb> synaptic says the same
[12:49] <entius> Riddell, it is a front-end for ssh, it is used to execute orders to other machines with ssh, i though it was a graphical interface, but it isn't
[12:49] <morchuboo> cybane, for playing around - you can install linux onto the pen drive and boot from it :)
[12:50] <cybane> ROFLMAO
[12:50] <viper12> I had to manually upgrade xorg on the last box I upgraded from warty.....don't recall the no authenticate bit though.
[12:50] <Riddell> entius: try starting konsole and using ssh on the command line
[12:50] <Zotnix> spades, that's not really practical :p
[12:50] <Riddell> entius: or you can use  sftp://me@example.com/ in konqueror
[12:50] <morchuboo> cybane: great for freaking out windows users
[12:50] <cybane> LOL
[12:50] <lapoman> Hi, I am new here... I am running/Testing hoary on laptop, where is the place to be??
[12:50] <morchuboo> cybane: also makes a great repair system
[12:51] <cybane> Cool I wanna mess with my girlfriend I think this will be the best way to do it
[12:51] <morchuboo> cybane: LOL - you really shouldnt say that you want to mess with your girlfriend like that... ;)
[12:51] <viper12> uh....cybane. you need to get out more . lmao
[12:51] <entius> Riddell, i am installing secpanel ...
[12:51] <viper12> lapoman, greetz.  and here would be the place.
[12:52] <bloc76> anyone know how to boot into the command line without starting x ?
[12:52] <viper12> use the 'recovery' option in grub. (easiest temp. way)
[12:52] <cybane> She is a windows lover and this will be a good joke to play on her
[12:53] <morchuboo> bloc76: if you want to make it permanent then remove /etc/init.d/gdm - although i remember reading a while ago that this is not the best way
[12:53] <bloc76> morchuboo, thanks
[12:53] <bloc76> woot, i fixed it
[12:53] <viper12> :)
[12:53] <Kronae> hi
[12:53] <bloc76> apparently it didn't like the resolution
[12:54] <Kronae> i need HELP
[12:54] <bloc76> so i changed it to 800x600 and it's working :)
[12:54] <lapoman> cool, I need advice on how to set up powernowd to lower down the cpufreq if the temperature is higher than some critical val?
[12:54] <lapoman> is it possible???
[12:54] <morchuboo> Kronae: whats up?
[12:55] <bloc76> thanks to everyone that helped me out
[12:55] <bloc76> the ubuntu community seems great so far :)
[12:55] <Kronae> i am trying to install ubuntu on my laptop (Acer Aspire 2026) but when i get to the language selection menu, the keyboard stops working.
[12:55] <Neil3> bloc76, you sorted it? nice one
[12:55] <mlakam> hey people of free world !
[12:55] <lapoman> hey
[12:55] <mlakam> can you give some help ?
[12:55] <Venson> Kronae: go into your BIOS and disable Legacy USB support
[12:55] <lapoman> mybe u did not pick the right keyboard module ?
[12:56] <Kronae> i'll try that
[12:56] <Kronae> thanks
[12:56] <Hikaru79> I'm trying to connect to /media/sda1 through FTP but it says permission denied... how can I grant user 'foo' access to /media/sda1 ?
[12:56] <lapoman> what the relation betweeb usb and keyboard?
[12:56] <Venson> it'll work..trust me ;) ..it's a popular issue with linux
[12:56] <Kronae> i'll tell you if it worked in a moment
[12:56] <entius> Riddell, secpanel is not very beautiful, konqueror can manage ssh file transfer?
[12:56] <Kronae> ok.
[12:56] <Kronae> thanks
[12:56] <lapoman> any one here knows about powernowd inners?
[12:56] <lapoman> how can I make it sense the temperature?
[12:57] <Neil3> thats lm_sensors
[12:57] <morchuboo> lapoman: not sure about that - but I know Hoary has had a lot of work done on cpu frequency scaling recently - u running hoary or warty?
[12:58] <lapoman> hoary,
[12:59] <Kronae> damn it, it didn't work :(
[12:59] <Pluk> lapoman, powernowd doesnt read the temp
[12:59] <Pluk> but the upperlimit can be set
[12:59] <Kronae> well, it was worth trying.
[12:59] <mlakam> k je veu mont
[12:59] <morchuboo> Hikaru79: u sure its /media/sda1 - sda1 is a device node normally mounted to a directory such as one in media. unless you mounted it yourself and created that directory..
[12:59] <Pluk> so you could write something if temp > 60 then upper limit = 600
[12:59] <Kronae> any other suggestions Venson?!
[12:59] <lapoman> upper limit of what? Pluk? I mean cpu or T?
[12:59] <Pluk> cpu
[01:00] <Venson> Kronae: that should fix it...hmm. i have nothing else to suggest. try looking in linux-on-laptops.com
[01:00] <Venson> Kronae: look for your model of laptop and see what distros it works with
[01:00] <Kronae> ok
[01:00] <Venson> Kronae: just so you know, some laptops don't work with specific distros, just because of the way their stock kernels are compiled. use what works
[01:01] <lapoman> Its kind of a miss that ubutu relies on powernowd, cpufreq and cpuspeed are more features.
[01:01] <Kronae> thanks for that information, i didn't know that.
[01:01] <lapoman> I tried installing cpufreqd, but then all the ubuntu-desktp and applests where automatically uninstalled!
[01:02] <Venson> this laptop of mine doesn't work with MDK or Suse for some weird reason....RH/Slackware works like a charm. i'll be trying out ubuntu soon :)
[01:02] <Kronae> Venson, unfortunately Acer Aspire 2026 or 2020 which is the designation of thw whole series isn't on the page.
[01:02] <Kronae> :(
[01:03] <Venson> Kronae: ok..next thing....google.com...google away! ;)
[01:03] <Kronae> lol
[01:03] <viper12> neither is my compaq x1000, but ubuntu ROCKS on it...so don't take that as gospel either.
[01:03] <Kronae> ok
[01:03] <Venson> see if others have succeeded
[01:03] <Pluk> thats cuz ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage containing powernowd and cpufreqd is meant to e a replacemtn to the speedstep applet
[01:03] <Guybrush|Numb> viper12
[01:03] <viper12> yo guy
[01:03] <Guybrush|Numb> seems like it downloaded a corrupt package
[01:03] <Guybrush|Numb> redownloading it fixed everything
[01:04] <viper12> sweet....didn't think that sounded right. :) (glad for ya.)
[01:04] <Guybrush|Numb> :)
[01:04] <Guybrush|Numb> thanks everyone, see ya next time
[01:05] <viper12> Kronae, have you tested the laptop with a 'live' cd yet?
[01:05] <lapoman> I am installing again cpufreq... let me see if it works now..
[01:05] <viper12> that's how I verified mine would work.
[01:05] <Kronae> live?!
[01:05] <viper12> sure.
[01:05] <Kronae> what is a live cd?
[01:05] <viper12> the live cd doesn't install, it runs from the cd and in memory only.  great way to see if it will work.
[01:06] <Kronae> where can i find that?
[01:06] <viper12> from the ubuntu website. (downloads)
[01:06] <Kronae> ok
[01:06] <digital> Can I change from ubuntu to debian?
[01:06] <awstott> sarge isn't too stable.....
[01:07] <viper12> if you're adventurous kronae, you can also download a 'hoary' live cd as well. (the newest unstable version with newer revisions of everything....best way I found to see if the distro will run.
[01:07] <digital> aws: yes i know, i am using debian since 1999
[01:07] <Kronae> ok
[01:07] <Kronae> thanks for the tip
[01:07] <digital> for this reason i want change to debian, have problems and for me is funny fix this problems
[01:08] <digital> fix problems is a hobby
[01:08] <viper12> np kron
[01:08] <thynis> Ok first things first! lol I installed Ubuntu... and yes My iBook loves it!!!! And so do I lol!
[01:08] <error_29> digital, I'd like to mail you my entire life, so you could fix it! ;-0
[01:08] <Xappe> well, the warty live cd won't even start on my computer...but the install went fine...so I would not take the live cd too serious when deciding if things will work or not
[01:08] <thynis> my biggest question left though is has anyone here installed maconlinux yet?
[01:09] <digital> maybe ;)
[01:09] <error_29> I wany an iBook, thynis -- dual booting?
[01:09] <thynis> if so I have a few questions for you?
[01:09] <thynis> yep dual booting
[01:09] <thynis> and I have to say that was the second easiest installation I've ever done
[01:09] <error_29> I don't know anything about ibooks, what do you use for networking, thynis
[01:10] <error_29> is it built-in?
[01:10] <thynis> cable modem... regular ethernet
[01:10] <thynis> built
[01:10] <thynis> built in
[01:10] <thynis> i'm in ubuntu on x-chat right now
[01:10] <error_29> good for you!  almost the first thing on ubuntu that really made me go wow
[01:10] <thynis> lol
[01:11] <error_29> I mean I could have used IRC more on windows,
[01:11] <error_29> but somehow it's just better with ubuntu
[01:11] <thynis> I'm just curious that as to whether or not I can get maconlinux working on ubuntu
[01:11] <thynis> I'm highly impressed by unbuntu
[01:11] <thynis> really want my maconlinux though :(
[01:12] <error_29> what is maconlinux?  does it actually run mac os, or does it just do what wine does with linux/windows?
[01:12] <thynis> I think that it does the same as wine... could be wrong though
[01:12] <lapoman> so far powernowd -> cpufreqd works fine, but there is no T control here either? funny in Suse it was???
[01:13] <thynis> basically it let's you run your macosx in a window like an emulator (with no emulation)
[01:13] <mjr> yeah, it's a virtual machine
[01:13] <mjr> cleaner and easier on PPC, those
[01:13] <lapoman> I need cpu scaling which depends on the T? its important for athlon notebooks which cold get very hot fast? and then impossibke to work with the great noise from the fan???
[01:14] <mlakam> hey you there
[01:14] <thynis> mjr: you wouldn't happen to be running it would you?
[01:14] <mjr> thynis, nope
[01:14] <thynis> :(
[01:14] <mjr> (I don't use macs, I just know about it :)
[01:14] <thynis> ahhh i c
[01:14] <mlakam> i need some HELP
[01:15] <mlakam> can not my microsucks partitions
[01:15] <thynis> ok I know this is gonna be a laughed at question lol.. but I must ask
[01:15] <mlakam> aaaaaaaaaah
[01:15] <hawke_> thynis: haha
[01:15] <thynis> debian uses apt-get (i think) what does ubuntu use (if any)
[01:15] <ermo> is there a 'best current practice' for installing java1.5 on ubuntu? In the ubuntu support pages one approach is used, but in the wiki pages, a different solution is recommended?
[01:15] <mlakam> where are my files ?
[01:15] <thynis> begin laughter now
[01:15] <error_29> mjr, virtual machine, ah hah That's what I need to know.  Can I do that with windows, just well enough to get some decent screenshots?
[01:15] <hawke_> thynis: haha.
[01:16] <thynis> lol
[01:16] <hawke_> thynis: apt-get
[01:16] <thynis> ok that's what I though
[01:16] <error_29> I mean, windows virtual machine on linux
[01:16] <thynis> thought
[01:16] <mjr> now, to get what thynis thought (same as wine but for macos x) you'd need to finish up gnustep, slap on a binary loader and voila ;)
[01:16] <thynis> hmmmm... maybe that will solve my problem
[01:16] <error_29> pardon my ignorance, mjr, but what is gnustep?
[01:16] <mjr> error_29, you mean to run windows in a VM? Check out qemu.
[01:17] <viper12> mlakam:  this is the best way to get the windows partitions up and running:
[01:17] <viper12> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=mount
[01:17] <thynis> is that possible?
[01:17] <thynis> lol
[01:17] <error_29> qemu, got it mjr. Thanks.
[01:17] <mjr> error_29, oh, gnustep is a free implementation of the OpenSTEP APIs, upon which MacOS X builds too
[01:18] <error_29> I need to show some folks who don't know a mouse from a rodent basic windows screens and menus for a training
[01:18] <mjr> they don't actually have binary emulation on the horizon, though, I was just speculating :)
[01:18] <thynis> so I can't run maconlinux without gnustep
[01:18] <mjr> thynis, umm, no, maconlinux and gnustep have approximately nothing to do with each other
[01:18] <error_29> Ah, mjr, OpenSTEP has spawned some good window managers, yes?  Name's familiar
[01:19] <thynis> ohhh... good I was scared... didn't know that wasn't for me... my fault
[01:19] <ompaul> ermo, afterstep being one of them
[01:19] <mjr> maconlinux just runs the Mac OS
[01:19] <ompaul> error_29, afterstep being one of them
[01:19] <mjr> gnustep is currently something that you can compile OpenSTEP applications against, if the features that they use are implemented
[01:20] <mjr> afterstep is just outwardly modelled after next/openstep
[01:20] <error_29> That's ok ompaul, call me ermo.  Has a nice ring. ;-)
[01:20] <ompaul> error_29, ehh it is someone elses nick :)
[01:21] <error_29> figured. alas
[01:21] <mjr> (but yes, it's inspired by them)
[01:21] <error_29> call me "er, no" then
[01:21] <ompaul> er_no_29?
[01:21] <mjr> hmm
[01:21] <ermo> no pragmatic java users here?
[01:22] <error_29> I'm just calling myself error_29 as bait for someone to fix the boot error I get with that name
[01:22] <mjr> ESPIPE
[01:22] <mjr> (error 29, Illegal seek :)
[01:22] <ermo> *sob*
[01:22] <thynis> ok so I got mol.... but not working... ughhhh
[01:22] <ompaul> ermo, you said pragmatic and java in the same line :)
[01:23] <Xappe> pragmatic, well...no not really :) java user: occational
[01:23] <thynis> it wants me to recompile the kernel modules.
[01:23] <ermo> ompaul, ... but ... I ... *sobs again*
[01:23] <error_29> maybe he meant phlegmatic
[01:24] <error_29> or instamatic
[01:24] <Xappe> kodak instamatic
[01:25] <ermo> No, really, I just would like to know what the recommended way of installing Sun Java on ubuntu is
[01:26] <ermo> (if there even is a recommended way)
[01:26] <mjr> pragmatically, I'd just get a tarball and untar it at /opt
[01:26] <irb> pray to the sun god
[01:27] <ermo> no apt-goodnes? *sigh*
[01:27] <marcin_ant> hello
[01:27] <ompaul> ermo, I just followed the instructions on the Sun site for installing on Linux - no you can't have apt with Sun it appears
[01:27] <Pluk> ermo, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_Install_Java
[01:27] <marcin_ant> people I got a problem with ubuntu warty init scripts
[01:27] <ermo> Pluk, thx, I'll check it out (too)
[01:28] <Pluk> that the recommended way to install on firefox
[01:28] <ompaul> ermo, iirc it was a .gz or some such
[01:28] <marcin_ant> I got ppp connection (for gprs modem) created chat scripts and ppp_on_boot script in /etc/ppp
[01:28] <marcin_ant> and the problem is that on boot it stops on ppp connection... doesn't go any further
[01:29] <marcin_ant> what to do - could someone help me with this crap?
[01:29] <ompaul> marcin_ant, have you considered booting in single user mode and editing that file again to hash out the values in there?
[01:30] <ermo> Hmm. Maybe mjr's "/opt/" solution deserves honorable mention *somewhere* in the ubuntu support/documentation/wiki as the recommended way of installing Sun Java?
[01:30] <marcin_ant> ompaul: what values?
[01:30] <ompaul> marcin_ant, the ones for your gprs modem
[01:31] <marcin_ant> ompaul: sure but why - they seems correct
[01:31] <marcin_ant> ompaul: I can boot when I unplug modem (usb)
[01:31] <Pluk> ermo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport
[01:31] <marcin_ant> ompaul: then ppp connection on boot fails and I can login
[01:31] <ompaul> marcin_ant, so it is really a usb issue then?
[01:31] <marcin_ant> ompaul: but then when I plug modem and pppd call gprs then it works
[01:32] <marcin_ant> ompaul: nope
[01:32] <ermo> Pluk, seems I searched in the wrong place (wiki, Java15). Thanks for the pointer!
[01:32] <marcin_ant> ompaul: it works and on boot there is connection established
[01:32] <Pluk> yw
[01:32] <ompaul> marcin_ant, maybe establishing the link a little later in the boot process would be a better idea?
[01:32] <marcin_ant> ompaul: the problem is than init procedure just stop on this connection
[01:33] <marcin_ant> ompaul: hmmm maybe but you know this procedure goes from /etc/init.d/ppp
[01:33] <marcin_ant> ompaul: it's just from package
[01:34] <ompaul> marcin_ant, i.e. when enough "system" is available to support your connection - you could also make the connection when you log in as part of your log in process .profile
[01:34] <ermo> Pluk, that tutorial suggests using /usr/java - wouldn't /opt/java be a better choice as mjr suggested? After all, the packages is not under apt/dpkg control...
[01:34] <marcin_ant> ompaul: IMHO it should create ppp0 just like eth0 and should go to next init steps
[01:35] <karim> I got a sound problem, the sound is stutering
[01:35] <ompaul> marcin_ant, all I am saying is, it is not working, it appears to be that there is insufficent system resources to allow the boot process to continue, and what I propose to you in the short/medium term is a quick fix to allow you consider something a bit more permanent
[01:36] <scorpix> i got these when i do apt-get update:Err http://kw.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[01:36] <scorpix>   Got a single header line over 360 chars
[01:36] <scorpix> Err http://kw.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[01:36] <scorpix>   Got a single header line over 360 chars
[01:36] <marcin_ant> ompaul: heh I propably now why there is error
[01:36] <marcin_ant> ompaul: /etc/init.d/ppp
[01:37] <marcin_ant> ompaul: #   /etc/init.d/ppp: start or stop PPP link.
[01:37] <marcin_ant> #
[01:37] <marcin_ant> # This configuration method is deprecated, please use /etc/network/interfaces.
[01:37] <marcin_ant> ompaul: ;>
[01:37] <ompaul> marcin_ant, ifup, if down :)
[01:38] <cybane> Is a Bay mounted card reader a good addition to a computer?
[01:38] <karim> when I run a video, I got sound stuttering, however I don't have this problem when playing a mp3
[01:40] <|QuaD-> anyone here use uml (Unified Modeling Language not User Mode Linux)?
[01:40] <karim> yes
[01:41] <|QuaD-> karim: i have a class, i am adding an operation, whats a "stereotype"?
[01:41] <karim> don't know
[01:41] <karim> what modeler do you use ?
[01:41] <marcin_ant> ompaul: heh then there is another problem....
[01:41] <|QuaD-> dia.... i just need the pictures :)
[01:42] <marcin_ant> ompaul: I added a little script to cron which checks ppp connection and when this connection is broken then it runs pppd call gprs again
[01:43] <ompaul> marcin_ant, and what is the problem with that?
[01:43] <marcin_ant> ompaul: I cannot see any easy way to regenerate broken connection with /etc/network/interfaces :(
[01:44] <ompaul> marcin_ant, you need to do an ifconfig | grep $value and see if you have a connection, if you do cool if not you need to kick one off by first shutting down the existing one cleanly and then invoking a new one
[01:45] <ompaul> night all
[01:46] <mrowe> anyone know what's up with bsh (java bean shell) in hoary?
[01:50] <tuxdisciple> I want to rip the cs46xx chip out of my laptop and solder on one the system will use ...
[01:51] <adham> the cpufreq monitor on hoary does not show the CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor Frequency Selector??? What is wrong? the manual says I should see my sys admin (which is me!!=
[01:51] <mrowe> hmm... and why my machine keeps hard freezing since I installed linux-image-2.6.10-4... :-/
[01:51] <tuxdisciple> mrowe, add 'noinotify' as a kernel boot option.. without the ' '
[01:51] <comfrey_> i am looking to install firefox 1.0 on amd64, anyone know where to get a package?
[01:52] <comfrey_> or have any suggestions
[01:52] <mrowe> tuxdisciple: cool, thanks... any ref/pointers to why?
[01:52] <comfrey_> the stock package keeps crahing for users
[01:52] <cybane> Do you think flash media will render Floppies useless in the near future?
[01:52] <tuxdisciple> mrowe, it's a known bug.. you can search the forum for noinotify for the actual reasons
[01:52] <comfrey_> cybane, too many standards, but hopefully
[01:52] <mrowe> ok, thx
[01:53] <johnnybezak> #helix
[01:53] <thynis> I LOVE UBUNTU
[01:53] <ermo> where in the boot-process are /etc/profile.d/ shell scripts sourced?
[01:53] <thynis> sorry for the outburst :)
[01:53] <tuxdisciple> mrowe, sure :)
[01:54] <tuxdisciple> ermo, my guess is they are processed at login... not bootup. But I'm making an educated guess..
[01:54] <cybane> I just ordered my Pen Style Flash Media stick
[01:54] <ermo> tuxdisciple, heck, I haven't a clue as of yet, but I guess I'll just have to dig :)
[02:06] <AndyR> latest skype is now fully working on hoary :))
[02:07] <mlakam> how do you encode into mp3 in ubuntu ?
[02:07] <karim> I got sonud problem
[02:07] <karim> the sound is stuttering when playing videos
[02:07] <karim> mlakam, use grip
[02:07] <mlakam> i do
[02:07] <mlakam> but there is no lame or something else to replace it dude
[02:08] <karim> yes there is
[02:08] <mlakam> which one ?
[02:08] <karim> there is lame
[02:08] <mlakam> i tried em all
[02:08] <mlakam> where did you get it
[02:09] <mlakam> there is no built in lame w/ ubuntu
[02:09] <mlakam> and that's shame dude
[02:10] <geppy> mlakmam:  lame isn't exactly legal
[02:12] <AndyR> i think ive screwed colours up in xchat :(
[02:15] <cybane> What is the AMD65 Socket type?
[02:15] <cybane> errr 64 not 65
[02:16] <Xappe> cybane, 754 or 939 i think
[02:16] <Xappe> you could also change the "or" to an "and"
[02:16] <ermo> Xappe, both at the same time? wow.
[02:16] <Xappe> ermo, well
[02:17] <Xappe> hrrm
[02:17] <ermo> Xappe, I want one of those.
[02:17] <ermo> =] 
[02:17] <Xappe> bah ;)
[02:18] <cybane> Is the Winchester the newest core?
[02:18] <ermo> Hm. according to the debian policy manual, debian doesn't have /etc/profile.d/ . But it's right here on my hoary. How odd.
[02:19] <Xappe> winchester 9 mm
[02:20] <stodge> Hi folks. Any suggestions for migrating an old home directory to Ubuntu? It's currently mounted under /mnt/linux but the privs are all wrong and ownership is wrong
[02:21] <ermo> stodge, well, copy it all to your new ubuntu home with cp -a, then chown your files
[02:21] <tuxdisciple> stodge:  Ownership can be changed with chown... what are the priv problems?
[02:21] <geppy> stodge:  Just move it to /home/stodge, then 'cd /home/stodge && sudo chown stodge -R ./';  that should work.
[02:22] <stodge> Woah - multi responses. Thanks!
[02:22] <ermo> stodge, do you need to preserve modification times for your files?
[02:23] <stodge> ermo I don't think so - thinks hard on that one
[02:23] <stodge> I mounted the partition under /mnt/linux with options of user,rw,noauto, but it's owned by root. Just clicked that it's the root from the old Linux I was using - doh!
[02:24] <ermo> stodge, geppy suggests moving your files to /home/stodge. That implies that you _are_ in fact 'stodge'
[02:24] <ermo> (pretty obvious I suppose)
[02:24] <stodge> Yes - the username is mike, but I realised that I would need to use that one :)
[02:24] <ermo> stodge, so, your new home is on a local disk and the path is supposed to be /home/mike ?
[02:24] <stodge> I thought I'd have to change my home directory (ie to the new mounted partition) whilst logged in, but I can try to edit fstab and the reboot
[02:25] <stodge> on a local disk partition yes
[02:25] <ermo> stodge, is your old home on a seperate disk?
[02:25] <stodge> No it's on the same partition as the linux installation
[02:25] <stodge> under /
[02:25] <ermo> huh? same disk? or same partition?
[02:26] <cybane> anyone know if there is a project to bring mainstream games over to the linux OS?
[02:26] <stodge> Sorry - differnt partition on the same disk
[02:26] <Xappe> hmm, i think i'm going to buy a 300 GB disk soon, yey!
[02:26] <stodge> I used chmod for my old home dir, now need to update fstab
[02:26] <Xappe> *hdd
[02:26] <stodge> 300? Makes my 200 seem small ;)
[02:27] <stodge> Any recommendations for the options to add to fstab? I found this on the forums:     /dev/<new partition> /home ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 1 2
[02:27] <stodge> I don't know what the 1 and 2 are for
[02:27] <Xappe> the 120 i already have is stuffed with crap
[02:27] <ermo> stodge, my suggestion would be to a) chown -R mike:mike <old home partition> b) adding your new home as you describe
[02:27] <stodge> Well unstuff it :)
[02:27] <tuxdisciple> stodge: I generally use noatime to speed things up a bit.. atimes don't mean much to me on non-servers
[02:28] <stodge> ermo: that's what I'm trying - thanks for the advice
[02:28] <ermo> stodge, do you use 'dump' to back up?
[02:28] <Xappe> stodge, nooo
[02:28] <stodge> tuxdisciple: noatime? I'm not familiar with that
[02:28] <stodge> xappe: gotta do it - save some money!
[02:28] <tuxdisciple> stodge: It stops the access time entry for each file from being updated each time the file is accessed by anything
[02:29] <Xappe> stodge, hehe, well I need most of the stuff for sharing so I can get my juarez
[02:29] <stodge> ah
[02:29] <tuxdisciple> Its useful for forensics on servers following a compromise... but.. on a workstation...
[02:29] <stodge> I see - didn't know that was possible
[02:29] <stodge> :)
[02:29] <ermo> tuxdisciple, does noatime work for ext3? I know it's recommended for Reiser...
[02:30] <tuxdisciple> ermo: I'd imagine so... lemme check
[02:31] <ermo> stodge, so you're good to go?
[02:31] <tuxdisciple> ermo: It's a general mount option, so it should work on any filesystem...
[02:31] <ermo> tuxdisciple, ack
[02:32] <stodge> I think so ermo - edited fstab to add /home and time for a reboot! Fingers crossed
[02:32] <tuxdisciple> ermo: Probably even vfat actually, since almost every filesystem I've encountered has MAC times
[02:32] <stodge> Thanks for the help - my 10 free Ubuntu CDs arrived today!
[02:32] <stodge> biab
[02:32] <tuxdisciple> 10?
[02:32] <ermo> stodge, you really don't need to reboot
[02:33] <tuxdisciple> Why did he get 10 free cds?
[02:33] <ermo> tuxdisciple, maybe he wrote it in binary?
[02:33] <ermo> tuxdisciple, or perhaps he has a fetish
[02:34] <tuxdisciple> Hmm... must be a ultimate frisbee fanatic
[02:35] <Xappe> tuxdisciple, hehe, i've got six cd:s left out of my ten...guess i'll save them for beach 2k5
[02:36] <tuxdisciple> I'm confused on why people have 10...
[02:36] <tuxdisciple> <--- did not get any free anything..
[02:37] <Xappe> well, did you order cds in the first place?
[02:37] <tuxdisciple> Nope :)
[02:38] <tuxdisciple> They send free ones when you order?
[02:38] <Xappe> yes
[02:39] <tuxdisciple> That's interesting... I may just order some then.
[02:40] <stodge> Yay
[02:42] <mlakam> hey geppy i ain't said i wanted some legal shit
[02:42] <stodge> Is it possible to update Firefox and Thunderbird in Warty?
[02:42] <mlakam> no
[02:42] <mlakam> actually we ll get a hybrid one
[02:42] <geppy> mlakam:  Then go play on Windows, or learn to at least download LAME.
[02:42] <ermo> stodge, can't remember if there's a 'backport' repository available. It there is, it's of course entirely unsupported :D
[02:43] <mlakam> i did
[02:43] <ermo> stodge, ubuntu goodnes for you now?
[02:43] <mlakam> but doesn't work though
[02:43] <stodge> Almost ermo :) COuple of things to fix up.
[02:43] <geppy> mlakam: Oh, well, I'm definitely motivated to help you.
[02:43] <mlakam> hey geppy man cmon
[02:44] <Xappe> hmm, mastodon is good night/beer music, just so you know
[02:44] <stodge> When I reboot X won't start. The NVidia module won't modprobe, but if I wait a couple of minutes and startx, it works
[02:44] <stodge> I can download the standard Linux releases of Thunderbird and FIrefox and install them in ~/opt I suppose
[02:44] <mlakam> ain't talking about LAME especially
[02:44] <geppy> wlakam:  Why?  You're complaining about a fantastic collection of _free_ software doesn't contain libraries that infringe on multiple actively-enforced patents.
[02:45] <stodge> It picked up my old home directory perfectly - thanks!
[02:45] <geppy> stodge:  Good to hear! =)
[02:45] <stodge> Yup - appreciate the help
[02:45] <geppy> stodge:  Hoary, or Warty?
[02:45] <stodge> Warty
[02:46] <stodge> I may try Hoary once the final release is out
[02:46] <geppy> stodge:  And the nVidia module isn't working?
[02:46] <Count_Down> I don't get any sound when playing movies.  Any suggestions?
[02:46] <stodge> Well no and yes. When I reboot X won't start. But if I wait a while and then startx, it's fine
[02:46] <geppy> stodge:  That sounds odd.
[02:46] <Count_Down> Someone suggested I install ffmpeg, but this didn't help.
[02:46] <geppy> Count_Down: killall esd
[02:46] <Xappe> Count_Down, what program are you using?
[02:46] <stodge> Yeah - I'll diagnose ut later.
[02:46] <stodge> it
[02:46] <mlakam> cmon man
[02:46] <stodge> Just glad it works!
[02:47] <sulkd> what's with the "libavcodeccvs is uninstallable" ?
[02:47] <stodge> No more crappy Gnome 2.6 with Fedora Core 2!
[02:47] <mlakam> need this to rip my cds
[02:47] <Count_Down> Xappe: I'm using Totem.
[02:47] <mlakam> it was possible in mdk
[02:48] <Xappe> Count_Down, ok, then I can't help you...I think...
[02:48] <tuxdisciple> stodge: FC2 was one of the worst distro's I tried in the last few years
[02:48] <geppy> FC2 makes me sad.
[02:49] <tuxdisciple> geppy: It makes homeless children cry too.. :/
[02:49] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  hahaha =)
[02:49] <tuxdisciple> CentOS is about the only RedHat related project I keep up with anymore
[02:49] <mlakam> everybody knows fedora sucks
[02:49] <ermo> erhm, will helix player play back realmedia videos?
[02:49] <Xappe> Count_Down, try VLC and see if you get sound...
[02:49] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Where did RedHat go wrong?  Red Hat 9 was the greatest distribution I ever used... *sniff*
[02:50] <tuxdisciple> geppy: Right after 9 actually... the split of ES and Fedora really destroyed what they had built in community support
[02:50] <nictuku> any plans to "support" (homologate, I don't know how to call the fact of paying them to 'audit' the system) oracle and progress databases in ubuntu, just like RHEL, suse, etc?
[02:50] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  ES?  Enterprise?
[02:50] <tuxdisciple> geppy: Yeah
[02:50] <stodge> I thought FC2 was ok - bloated and slow, but it's been stable. Just the apps are old and some have bugs.
[02:50] <nictuku> i miss that a lot in ubuntu
[02:51] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Yeah, makes sense.
[02:51] <tuxdisciple> geppy:  RHEL is pretty darn good, but damn expensive... that's why I track CentOS for more production oriented servers
[02:51] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Why haven't RedHat's GUI tools been ported to Ubuntu?  As I recall, that was the only thing that Fedora has going for it.
[02:51] <geppy> *had
[02:52] <ermo> nictuku, where I sit, your comment related to missing ubuntu being bloated and slow with old, buggy apps. I certainly 'miss' that too ;)
[02:52] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Isn't RHEL only ~$100?
[02:52] <tuxdisciple> geppy: Not a bad idea... they do make quick system config pretty quick
[02:52] <stodge> What browser are you all using?
[02:52] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Is it just that no one thought to do it?
[02:52] <ermo> stodge, fox-on-fire
[02:52] <skel_home> geppy: RHEL is free unless you want access to their repository =P
[02:52] <nictuku> i didn't say that.
[02:52] <stodge> :)
[02:52] <Amaranth> Firefox 1.1+
[02:52] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  hahaha
[02:52] <geppy> erm
[02:52] <stodge> 1.1+? Hmmm
[02:52] <geppy> skel_home:
[02:52] <skel_home> geppy: in which case you should just get centos =] 
[02:52] <geppy> skel_home:  hahaha
[02:52] <Amaranth> or do they call it 1.0+? i can't remember
[02:52] <tuxdisciple> geppy: EL starts at $350 I think for repository access
[02:52] <stodge> :)
[02:53] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Oh.
[02:53] <Amaranth> it's the nightly that are working towards 1.1
[02:53] <tuxdisciple> skel_home: CentOS rocks...
[02:53] <Amaranth> nightlies
[02:53] <skel_home> I concur
[02:53] <tuxdisciple> geppy: And its not a one-time fee :/
[02:53] <ermo> nictuku, I know, I phrased it in a clumsy kind of way. The way the lines scrolled by just happened to place your comment just below stodge's FC2 comment :)
[02:53] <tuxdisciple> geppy: Great for businesses who want Red Hat engineers to support them though
[02:53] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Egads.  Monthly, or yearly?
[02:53] <skel_home> tuxdisciple: for a RHEL replacement anways.. I hate redhat =P I wish my company would go with debian =P
[02:53] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Yeah, definitely.
[02:53] <nictuku> ermo: hehe
[02:54] <geppy> Anyone in here try running iTunes?
[02:54] <geppy> With repository WINE?
[02:54] <skel_home> nope. I'll stick with allofmp3 till they shut it down
[02:54] <skel_home> and then I'll switch to mp3spy.ru
[02:54] <tuxdisciple> geppy: It depends on the options... the prices go as high as $1300 if I remember
[02:54] <geppy> skel_home:  I'm not looking to use it as a store, only as a rhythmbox replacement.
[02:54] <nictuku> can I ask again if ubuntu will ever get certified by those major players? who pay who in that case? canonical would pay for that certification?
[02:54] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  ='(
[02:54] <skel_home> geppy: ah
[02:55] <tuxdisciple> geppy: Check that... $2500 for premium editions
[02:55] <nictuku> or is ubuntu really desktop-oriented :(
[02:55] <stodge> Ah cool - Firefox 1 and Thunderbird 1 - smoooooooth
[02:55] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  That's crazy!  I suppose high-end servers, perhaps?
[02:55] <Count_Down> geppy: killall esd worked, but I'll need to do this every time, right?
[02:55] <tuxdisciple> geppy: Yeah, I forget the metrics, but its # of processors + other stuff I think...
[02:55] <geppy> Count_Down:  Either that, or disable sound server startup in the sound config menu.
[02:55] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Ah, alright.
[02:55] <tuxdisciple> nictuku: No idea... probably have to ask management :)
[02:56] <Amaranth> nictuku: Certified for what?
[02:56] <Amaranth> nictuku: EAL?
[02:56] <tuxdisciple> geppy: CentOS asks for $12 a year in donations if you use it :)
[02:56] <Xappe> Count_Down, well, totem should be able to use esd as in by default
[02:56] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  =D
[02:56] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Is CentOS just community re-released RHEL?
[02:57] <tuxdisciple> geppy: It uses a yum archive to release repackaged RHEL network updates
[02:57] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Ah, 'tis beautiful.
[02:57] <ermo> nictuku, I would think that you could send a polite e-mail to canonical with your inquiry. Afaik, #ubuntu doesn't represent canonical, it's just a friendly place for users (and occasionally devs as well) to talk about ubuntu
[02:57] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Not that I like YUM.  I mean, really, even when I ran RH, I used apt.
[02:57] <Count_Down> Xappe: Yeah, but it's not happening for me.
[02:57] <tuxdisciple> geppy: Its good for servers you want to keep fairly stable in terms of updating, and is easier to hand over than a debian distro to 'nix newbies
[02:58] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  But RedHat has apt, is all that I'm saying.
[02:58] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  up2date has an optional apt backend
[02:58] <tuxdisciple> geppy: I bet you could use apt for it, yum is just simple since its really only security updates once the server is configured
[02:58] <Xappe> Count_Down, strange
[02:58] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  True.
[02:59] <Count_Down> I had the same problem with XMMS, but solved it by switching a preference in XMMS.
[02:59] <Count_Down> Xappe: ^
[02:59] <tuxdisciple> geppy: I think they released v4 ... the rc has been out for some time and there haven't been any bugs I've hear dof
[02:59] <bretzel> HI, sorry , I was sitting and read conversations.... Then, What CentOS has Special ( apart from being enterprise linux ) ???
[02:59] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Fedora version 4?  I hadn't heard anything since 3, which was when I stopped dual-booting (Fedora vs. Ubuntu)
[03:00] <Xappe> goodnight ubuntu ppl
[03:00] <tuxdisciple> bretzel: It doesn't cost you mad $$$ to get updates :)
[03:00] <mrowe> anyone know what's up with bsh (java bean shell) in hoary?
[03:00] <tuxdisciple> geppy: RHEL4
[03:00] <tuxdisciple> geppy: Basically 2.6 based Ent Linux... it runs pretty nicely for me
[03:00] <tuxdisciple> bretzel: But you don't get RH engineer support either
[03:01] <bretzel> I read that no $$$ needed for updates... how bleeding hedge are they ?
[03:01] <geppy> tuxdisciple:  Ah, cool.
[03:01] <skel_home> tuxdisciple: which is overated if you ask me =P
[03:01] <skel_home> tuxdisciple: I'm sure they're good. I just think you can probably find comprable support
[03:02] <skel_home> for less
[03:02] <bretzel> ouch! read "edge" - ot hedge !!!
[03:02] <tuxdisciple> bretzel: RHEL is a very stable server distro
[03:02] <geppy> So, no iTunes users?
[03:02] <sigglet> tuxdisciple: if you have money
[03:02] <tuxdisciple> skel_home: Yeah, but is you are a business...
[03:03] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: Yeah, hence we were discussing CentOS
[03:03] <sigglet> whiteOS
[03:03] <Zeus> Can anyone give me a hand I'm trying to install Image::Magick using CPAN but it keeps failing
[03:03] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: Also a good alternative, I like CentOS more for some subconscious reason
[03:04] <bretzel> tuxdisciple: Anyway, I was just curious... I just can't live without Ubuntu since I tried it the first time ( around  the end of last December 2004 )
[03:05] <tuxdisciple> bretzel: I just started using it last week.. gentoo broke my spirit finally :) But I gravitate towards RH / SuSE for business servers... that way if I get canned they can stull support the systems :)
[03:05] <sigglet> tuxdisciple: why run rhel when there is http://whiteboxlinux.org/
[03:05] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: I use CentOS...
[03:06] <tuxdisciple> But some businesses use RH
[03:06] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: Managers like knowing there is support available in case my contract is over
[03:06] <sigglet> I see, but why pay for it when you can use the fork of rhel which is whitebox
[03:06] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: Management decision, I'm a consultant :)
[03:06] <sigglet> you can make management decisions with whitebox
[03:07] <sigglet> also with debian
[03:07] <sigglet> whats your point
[03:07] <sigglet> if your so worried why not use freebsd
[03:07] <skel_home> sigglet: you're preaching to the choir
[03:07] <jdub> sigglet: the point is that red hat provides direct support for rhel
[03:07] <sigglet> lol
[03:07] <jdub> regardless, this is mightily off topic
[03:07] <sigglet> I know
[03:07] <bretzel> tuxdisciple: yeah, I agree for stable, commercial servers. But for my own personal needs ( programming, home web server etc...) I found Ubuntu VERY cool and bleeding and ...and... everythings... 8-) ( and its Debian based!
[03:07] <sigglet> just saying
[03:07] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: My point, is I am a consultant... and when a client wants a system they can support without my services forever, they want a VENDOR who will support it.
[03:08] <robodex> I've got a question about hoary... when it reaches final, would a simple apt-get dist-upgrade (after changing reps to hoary) work for the upgrade?
[03:08] <tuxdisciple> bretzel: It is very nice so far...
[03:08] <sigglet> tuxdisciple: so have you looked into freebsd then?
[03:08] <jdub> robodex: after changing your sources, yes.
[03:08] <robodex> awesome
[03:08] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: FreeBSD is not a Vendor... i
[03:08] <sigglet> I know
[03:08] <sigglet> but as far as support goes
[03:08] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: So it doesn't really address the issue does it?
[03:09] <skel_home> sigglet: a vendor that will be around for a long time (one of the few advantages of share holders is that they don't want to see the company go under)
[03:09] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: I'm not saying RH is better techincally... but from a business perspective... ...
[03:09] <sigglet> I suppose
[03:09] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: see what skel_home said :)
[03:10] <jdub> sigglet: this is one of the reasons why ubuntu is so useful.
[03:10] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: * I * don't use it personally, I understand what you are saying...
[03:10] <sigglet> tuxdisciple: yes I see... but why choose RH when there are several others such as SuSE? just curious? is it cost?
[03:10] <sigglet> from your business perspective
[03:10] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: SuSE is always presented as an option... U.S. Companies gravitate towards RH mostly
[03:10] <sigglet> I see
[03:11] <cybane> Does anyone use Firefox and have to wait for fricken ever for web pages to load
[03:11] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: It tends to have bigger mindshare in the U.S. I actually like SuSE more
[03:11] <sigglet> is there money to be made investing with RH products?
[03:11] <scoon> cybane, who is your isp? verizon ?
[03:11] <cybane> RoadRunner
[03:11] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: You'd have to check their P/E ratios etc... I don't track their stocks
[03:11] <cybane> When I was using IE6 webpages never took this long
[03:11] <scoon> cybane, a buddy of mine is verizon and has your same problem.
[03:12] <sigglet> cybane: loading issue?
[03:12] <scoon> cybane, even fired up knoppix and still pages load slow.
[03:12] <scoon> cybane, yes
[03:12] <robodex> cybane: I had that problem... I'll see if I can find what I did to solve it
[03:12] <jdub> cybane: see ubuntuguide.org, look for the item about dns/ipv6
[03:12] <robodex> it's an issue with dns
[03:12] <tuxdisciple> cybane: FireFox has a built in censoring enginer.. it has to scan the page first...
[03:12] <sigglet> cybane: http://ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla  <--- is that what your looking for?
[03:12] <sigglet> Q: How to load Web site faster in Mozilla Firefox (disable IPv6)?
[03:13] <sigglet>  Address Bar -> about:config
[03:13] <sigglet>  Filter: -> network.dns.disableIPv6 -> Change the Value to true (Double click)
[03:14] <jdub> dudes
[03:14] <cybane> lets see if the IPV6 does it
[03:14] <jdub> if you have totem or mplayer
[03:14] <robodex> cybane: check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5690
[03:14] <jdub> load up this stream
[03:14] <jdub> http://70.85.31.216:8800/
[03:14] <robodex> cybane: if it doesn't, check out that URL.
[03:14] <willsoft> Hi i'm new here, if there is someone who could spend some time for some xplain please a private
[03:15] <sigglet> mplayer http://70.85.31.216:8800/
[03:15] <tuxdisciple> willsoft: You might want to ask some general questions so you can find someone who will be able to help you out
[03:15] <skel_home> jdub: what is it?
[03:15] <Riddell> jdub: someone likes Yann Tierson?
[03:15] <jdub> with mplayer, do mplayer -cache 32 etc. etc.
[03:15] <jdub> Riddell: amelie soundtrack :)
[03:15] <jdub> skel_home: me
[03:15] <Riddell> good taste
[03:15] <sigglet> jdub: is that you typing?
[03:15] <stodge> Damn you floppy disks!
[03:15] <jdub> good hacking music
[03:15] <skel_home> jdub: oh lol
[03:15] <skel_home> jdub: cool =] 
[03:16] <sigglet> all I hear is a piano in the background with some dude power typing
[03:16] <sigglet> LOL
[03:16] <jdub> you're not getting video then
[03:16] <tuxdisciple> sigglet: That's.... such a difficult mental picture...
[03:16] <sigglet> haha
[03:16] <Riddell> that's what we need at FOSDEM this weekend
[03:17] <skel_home> jdub: mplayer?
[03:17] <jdub> Riddell: i think some of the fluendo guys will be there
[03:17] <Riddell> yeah, hopefully we can tempt them into the KDE/Gnome room
[03:17] <jdub> Riddell: we're teaming up (canonical and fluendo) to do streaming for linux.conf.au
[03:17] <sigglet> is that you jdub ?
[03:17] <skel_home> no video here either
[03:18] <jdub> no, it's my russian slave
[03:18] <skel_home> what codec do I need?
[03:18] <jdub> who does all my typing
[03:18] <kent> jdub, wow.. i see you :)
[03:18] <jdub> you need vorbis and theora
[03:18] <sigglet> totem http://70.85.31.216:8800/
[03:18] <sigglet> I see
[03:18] <kent> it works well with realplayer.
[03:19] <robodex> it's garbled in vlc :(
[03:19] <Riddell> jdub: you have a large upstream?
[03:19] <jdub> Riddell: no, i'm upstreaming this to my linode server, and mirroring it there
[03:20] <skel_home> hmm weird
[03:20] <jdub> previous tests i've done from my adsl but i've, um, been quieter about it :)
[03:20] <skel_home> I've got vorbis and theora and no video =/
[03:20] <jdub> ie. not mentioning it in channels like #ubuntu :-)
[03:20] <skel_home> maybe its because I'm on x86_64?
[03:20] <jdub> only 8 clients
[03:20] <jdub> dudes
[03:20] <jdub> we can do better than that :)
[03:20] <jdub> maybe i should start telling jokes
[03:20] <jdub> or taking my clothes off
[03:21] <skel_home> jdub: I can't get video =/
[03:21] <sigglet> LOL
[03:21] <jdub> skel_home: no skin for you!
[03:21] <skel_home> awww
[03:21] <skel_home> cough or something
[03:21] <skel_home> =P
[03:21] <skel_home> lol
[03:21] <skel_home> awesome
[03:21] <kent> Im not sure of the word, but.. play some air-guitar ;)
[03:22] <jdub> dude
[03:22] <jdub> to a polka?
[03:22] <ubuntudave> hi guys anyone good with ndiswrapper?
[03:22] <jdub> air accordion
[03:22] <kent> haha
[03:22] <sigglet> haha
[03:22] <skel_home> ubuntudave: no its evil.. go yell at your vendor =P
[03:22] <jdub> ubuntudave: what's your question? it's pretty straightforward to set up
[03:22] <kent> Is there sound? Its in the middle of the night in sweden, so i dont think people would be happy if i playd sound :(
[03:23] <jdub> kent: yes, of course :)
[03:23] <sigglet> that is some weird music
[03:23] <ubuntudave> i get an " "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :  SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not permitted." error - drivers + hardware loaded correctly
[03:23] <jdub> 9 clients
[03:23] <sigglet> I think that might 1) put people to sleep or 2) make people commit suicide
[03:23] <ubuntudave> cannot set essid =/
[03:23] <tuxdisciple> ubuntudave: The FCC is watching you...
[03:23] <sigglet> hah
[03:23] <sigglet> no offense jdub
[03:23] <kent> jdub, what camera do you use for this?
[03:24] <ubuntudave> the FCC?
[03:24] <jdub> kent: just a crappy webcam
[03:24] <jdub> kent: logitech quickcam 4000
[03:24] <jdub> which is a usb cam and mic
[03:24] <stodge> Hmm Totem: don't know how to handle video/x-msmpeg
[03:25] <skel_home> jdub: have you messed with access grid at all?
[03:25] <jdub> what is that?
[03:25] <skel_home> jdub: pretty nifty multi-cast stuff
[03:25] <skel_home> jdub: www.accessgrid.org
[03:25] <skel_home> video conferencing and application sharing
[03:26] <jdub> the home page says "buzzword" and that's about it :0
[03:26] <jdub> ;)
[03:26] <kent> haha, i cant belive it. Its fun to watch the ubuntu people. Every ubuntu-developer should have a camera. :)
[03:27] <geppy> iTunes, anyone?
[03:27] <jdub> 10 clients
[03:27] <skel_home> geppy: you just want to use it to manage your music collection?
[03:27] <geppy> hmph, nevermind, seems to have been fixed
[03:27] <skel_home> k
[03:27] <stodge> gstreamer0.8-mad:
[03:27] <stodge>  Depends: libid3tag0 but it is not installable
[03:27] <geppy> skel_home:  Yes.  Because rhythmbox sucks.
[03:27] <geppy> =)
[03:28] <skel_home> geppy: I use cd ls and aplay =] 
[03:28] <geppy> skel_home:  haha
[03:28] <skel_home> geppy: it's wicked fast
[03:28] <geppy> skel_home:  hahahahha
[03:29] <stodge> Why is synaptic complaining that it wont install packages
[03:29] <geppy> skel_home:  aplay is awfully nice, but I'm looking for a pretty interface that I can give to my Windows-using brethren that have begun to regret their dark ways. =)
[03:29] <stodge> gxine:
[03:29] <stodge>  Depends: libxine1 but it is not installable
[03:29] <geppy> stodge:  Can you try being more specific?
[03:29] <stodge> Caught in the middle of posting more details :)
[03:29] <geppy> stodge:  Try finding libxine somehwere
[03:29] <geppy> stodge:  =)
[03:29] <robertj> heya all
[03:29] <jdub> only 10 clients!
[03:29] <jdub> dudes!
[03:30] <robertj> he's such a nice old man but you just want to shake him
[03:31] <stodge> libxine isn't listed in synaptic
[03:31] <thoreauputic> jdub: heh 128k just won't work on dialup ;) I hear and see about 3 seconds before it gives up in disgust ;-)
[03:31] <skel_home> jdub: aww no Franz Liszt?
[03:31] <kent> jdub, i run both totem and realplayer now. There is a delay in totem for 1-2 second(s). Is that expected?
[03:32] <fr500> hello
[03:32] <stodge> gstreamer0.8-mad:
[03:32] <stodge>  Depends: libid3tag0 but it is not installable
[03:32] <jdub> kent: when totem starts? or between the audio and video?
[03:32] <stodge> Oops - already posted that one
[03:32] <fr500> does the prtscreen button work for screenshots with warty out of the box?
[03:32] <fr500> i just reinstalled and it doesn't work
[03:32] <kent> jdub, i have not turned on the audio. I meen that the video in totem is delayd about 1,5 seconds compared to realplayer.
[03:32] <virtuald> Aiee! Killing interrupt handler.
[03:33] <robertj> jdub: is there a way to file a grumpy blocker?
[03:33] <jdub> kent: different clients do different things :)
[03:33] <virtuald> i just got this, things have been crashing today
[03:33] <jdub> robertj: hoary+1 do you mean?
[03:33] <stodge> Doh - forgot to enable ALL of the repositories! lol
[03:33] <robertj> jdub: yeah, is it not grumpy groundhog still?
[03:34] <geppy> Is it possible to make gstreamer use an user-defined ALSA device?
[03:34] <virtuald> is there any known stability problems with hoary?
[03:34] <jdub> geppy: gstreamer-properties, make it a custom pipeline
[03:34] <mrowe> virtuald: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6849
[03:34] <geppy> virtuald: it's completely unstable
[03:34] <jdub> geppy: alsasink device=hw:0,2 (what i use)
[03:34] <virtuald> B] 
[03:34] <stodge> Still won't display an AVI
[03:34] <geppy> jdub:  much gracias! =D
[03:34] <jdub> (except i use polypaudio)
[03:34] <jdub> (and you can do the same thing for polypaudio in /etc/polypaudio/default.pa)
[03:35] <virtuald> gnome crashes on startup, i run metacity now
[03:35] <fr500> any clues?
[03:35] <geppy> jdub:  That's genius!
[03:35] <geppy> jdub:  Unfortunately, when I changed the ALSA sink for polypaudio, I started getting errors that were just plain wrong.
[03:36] <marcin_ant> help!
[03:36] <marcin_ant> how to create ppp0 on boot?
[03:36] <geppy> jdub:  ALSA lib pcm.c:2035:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_jack.so
[03:36] <geppy> module-alsa-sink.c: Error opening PCM device jackplug
[03:36] <geppy> module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "sink_name=output"): initialization failed.
[03:36] <jdub> ahr, do you have a weird alsa setup?
[03:36] <geppy> jdub:  The .so exists, and works fine with aplay (and apparently, Gstreamer =D), but polypaudio just refuses to use it
[03:36] <robertj> jdub: but yes, hoary + 1 if grumpy isn't official
[03:36] <marcin_ant> I got this in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:37] <marcin_ant> iface ppp0 inet ppp
[03:37] <marcin_ant>             provider provider
[03:37] <robertj> or should things just go on the wiki for grumpy features
[03:37] <geppy> jdub:  I'm using the JACK sound server, which is a little weird
[03:37] <ubuntudave> none of my iwconfig commands seems to have any effect - anyone have experience with this?(using ndiswrapper)
[03:37] <geppy> jdub:  But other than that, I have a standard setup
[03:37] <marcin_ant> auto ppp0
[03:37] <jdub> geppy: you're using alsa to talk to jack though, right?
[03:37] <marcin_ant> and it doesn't work :)
[03:37] <geppy> jdub:  Right.
[03:37] <marcin_ant> s/:)/:(
[03:38] <jdub> geppy: i don't know why polypaudio would b0rk doing that, but it's an interesting bug
[03:38] <jdub> geppy: want to post to polypaudio-discuss?
[03:38] <geppy> jdub:  I'd love to.  Where's it located?
[03:38] <inc> sup room
[03:38] <kent> inc, we are all watching jdub's webcamera :)
[03:38] <kent> jdub, great :)
[03:38] <jdub> now my hair band has fallen out
[03:39] <jdub> so much for rocking
[03:39] <inc> kool kent
[03:39] <stodge> If I try to install totem-xine, it wants to remove totem-gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop - is this normal?
[03:39] <inc> how you do that
[03:39] <geppy> stodge:  Yes.
[03:39] <geppy> jdub:  ='D
[03:39] <stodge> So it's safe?
[03:39] <cybane> Is RAID really worth the extra money for the HDD?
[03:39] <kent> inc, http://70.85.31.216:8800/  open it with totem, realplayer, mplayer or something
[03:40] <inc> trying
[03:40] <jdub> cybane: RAID1? RAID5? what are you trying to achieve?
[03:40] <cybane> dunno never done much with raid but I hear people say it is a lot faster to access data
[03:40] <jdub> it's not
[03:41] <jdub> for reads, it may be
[03:41] <jdub> for writes, it can't be
[03:41] <tuxdisciple> brb
[03:41] <stodge> Guess I'd better get some sleep. Thanks for your help :)
[03:41] <cybane> SATA or IDE?
[03:41] <Pluk> scsi
[03:41] <Pluk> :P
[03:41] <geppy> Apparently, Comcast blocks mailing list confirmations.
[03:42] <Pluk> and earplugs
[03:42] <jdub> my desktop is IDE RAID1, my home server is SATA RAID1
[03:42] <geppy> Oh well, I can just use my GMail.
[03:42] <fr500> does the prtscreen button work for screenshots with warty out of the box?
[03:42] <inc> not workin.. oh well
[03:42] <fr500> doesnt do anything for me
[03:43] <jdub> fr500: don't think so, on warty
[03:43] <fr500> ok
[03:43] <robertj> anyone want to help me vandalize grumpy groundhog's wiki page? It's currently a cesspool of crackpot ideas about how to abuse a theoretical user templating system
[03:43] <fr500> thx
[03:43] <geppy> fr500: try making sure that you have prtscrn set as your "Take a screenshot" shortcut in "Keyboard Shortcuts"
[03:43] <fr500> yes it is
[03:43] <fr500> doesnt do a thing
[03:43] <jdub> down to 5 clients!
[03:44] <kent> inc, default totem with the gstreamer backend will probably not work. If you have mplayer, try it (or as i, use realplayer)
[03:44] <geppy> robertj:  Perhaps you should change it to include the fact that Grumpy is going to feature JACK as the sound server. ;)
[03:44] <jdub> that's a very distant maybe
[03:44] <geppy> jdub:  What's a very distant maybe?  JACK?  I didn't think that it was a possibility.
[03:44] <inc> don't have it installed
[03:45] <fr500> how long would it take to update to hoary, my internet througput is lile 20kbps
[03:45] <inc> mostly use ubuntu for my web server
[03:45] <geppy> jdub:  What needs to be done for it to be included?  *hopeful look*
[03:45] <inc> should work in winamp right?
[03:45] <jdub> geppy: the problem with using jack by default is what we do when we have autoconfiguration of audio devices
[03:46] <TheMuso> Jack is a real big can of worms. Can get quite finicky.
[03:46] <geppy> jdub:  What kind of autoconfiguration problems would be experienced with JACK?
[03:46] <jdub> geppy: it's yet another layer
[03:46] <TheMuso> Jack is really meant for low latency stuff.
[03:46] <geppy> jdub:  True, but it's a very nice one. =)
[03:46] <geppy> TheMuso:  Yes, this is true.
[03:46] <TheMuso> Jack is nice when you want a tangable way of connecting apps to the soundcard, or even other apps.
[03:47] <jdub> geppy: it's been part of the discussion for a while, and i would to have it there by default, but it complicates 'Just Works' stuff on top
[03:47] <inc> anyone know what to apt-get for the dig command
[03:47] <geppy> TheMuso:  Let me be the millionth to point out:  End-users can use JACK happily;  Any kind of serious audio workstation can't be without it.
[03:47] <TheMuso> jdub: I can understand why.
[03:47] <chillywilly> inc: dnsutils?
[03:48] <chillywilly> inc: sudo apt-get install dnsutils
[03:48] <pauldaoust> hey, question that I couldn't find the answer to in the forums: is there any way to get metacity to behave with xcompmgr (right now my titlebars and window borders are see-thru) without downloading the source of metacity and disabling its composite support?
[03:48] <geppy> jdub:  If a group of people got together to work with getting JACK to "just work" on Ubuntu, would inclusion be considered?
[03:48] <TheMuso> geppy: I know. The thing is that it forces all apps to work at particular sample rates, which then means that if they need to resample, there is more work to do. Then there is also the problem of badly coded jack clients.
[03:48] <jdub> geppy: jack alone just works already
[03:48] <TheMuso> geppy: I am on the jackit-devel list and this sort of thing has been raised before.
[03:48] <jdub> geppy: but the jack developers aren't interested in general integration issues
[03:48] <error_29> good evening, does anybody use Audacity, and know how to stop a crackling distortion?
[03:48] <inc> already installed, chillywilly, not in it
[03:49] <pauldaoust> heyyyyyyy... anyone else get huge spikes in load average when running Jack, especially when running jack-rack?
[03:49] <robertj> jdub: who's the wiki man, I renamed GrumpyGroundhog to UserTemplates, because that's what it is, and it also went back and renamed the link on the front page
[03:49] <geppy> jdub, TheMuso:  But with Polypaudio, etc, integrated as clients, what's really the problem with using JACK?
[03:49] <TheMuso> geppy: The jack developers are mainly interested in it for pro audio work.
[03:49] <geppy> TheMuso:  Yes.
[03:49] <darmou> hi all is there a gui tool to create new users or just the adduser command?
[03:49] <inc> don't know why ubutu does even come with basic command like this
[03:49] <pauldaoust> error_29: best way is to use 32-bit float format instead of the usual 16-bit, and ummmm... try playing around with the volume levels; maybe it's only being distorted on playback. when exactly do you get distortion?
[03:49] <jdub> geppy: so.
[03:49] <jdub> geppy:
[03:50] <pauldaoust> darmou: Computer menu, System configuration, Users and groups
[03:50] <jdub> geppy: imagine sitting next to your computer with your bluetooth headset
[03:50] <error_29> On playback -- oh I see pauldaoust, I should save and play it in different app --doh!
[03:50] <TheMuso> Jack and USB = bad.
[03:50] <thoreauputic> inc: I didn't install it and it's here by default on warty...
[03:50] <darmou> thanks pauldaoust
[03:50] <error_29> I'll try that, thanks pauldaoust
[03:50] <pauldaoust> darmou: no prob
[03:50] <jdub> geppy: you open your voip app, and it already knows about the headest
[03:50] <BrianAnthony> if I plugin an external dvd burner. where would I find it?
[03:51] <inc> hmm :(
[03:51] <TheMuso> BrianAnthony: Depends on how you plugged it in.
[03:51] <jdub> geppy: we can't do that at the moment
[03:51] <robertj> ooh, front page of the wiki is unlocked now, nm
[03:51] <BrianAnthony> TheMuso: USB
[03:51] <pauldaoust> error_29: you shouldn't be getting cracklies when playing back in Audacity though... I've never had that problem...
[03:51] <jdub> geppy: with polypaudio, we have to integrate alsa, hal and polypaudio
[03:51] <TheMuso> BrianAnthony: Very likely it is a SCSi device. So sr0/scd0 etc.
[03:52] <pauldaoust> so nobody else gets spikes in load average when they're using Jack?
[03:52] <jdub> geppy: with jack, first off we have the problem with permissions and the system daemon
[03:52] <marcin_ant> wrrr crap crap crap....
[03:52] <error_29> first problem I've had at all with the soundcard, pauldaoust
[03:52] <jdub> geppy: and losing network audio
[03:52] <TheMuso> pauldaoust: I only use Jack on another distro with a 2.4 kernel at this stage. as I use it for high quality audio use.
[03:52] <BrianAnthony> what is a good open source dvd burning program?
[03:52] <jdub> geppy: so we still need polypaudio/esound for some things
[03:52] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: k3b
[03:52] <marcin_ant> please tell me how to make ppp to start automatically on boot....
[03:52] <jdub> geppy: so now we have to integrate alsa, hal, jack and polypaudio
[03:52] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: hey sexy =D
[03:52] <willsoft> some help using OS, i will format all my disk, what systems could you recommend me
[03:52] <Amaranth> jdub: Why jack?
[03:52] <willsoft> pleaseeeee
[03:52] <geppy> jdub:  With polypaudio as a JACK client, though, could applications that need network audio use polypaudio in the meantime, until network JACK clients are developed?
[03:52] <pauldaoust> TheMuso: I think that's what I'll end up doing too... I assume 2.4 has good support for all the lovely M-Audio Delta soundcards that are bristling with input and output sockets?
[03:53] <jdub> Amaranth: read above
[03:53] <inc> maybe I found something
[03:53] <inc> dig: error while loading shared libraries: libdns.so.16: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:53] <Amaranth> jdub: How far above?
[03:53] <geppy> jdub:  Yes, it would be more work, but I think that it would bring some fantastic advantages.
[03:53] <TheMuso> pauldaoust: Via ALSA, yes. It is also that 2.4 can be patched for low latency, and is still stable.
[03:53] <pauldaoust> error_29: do you get the cracklies when you're recording, or when you're playing back?
[03:53] <jdub> geppy: sure, but that means on every machine you're running jackd (one per system) and polypaudio (one per user)
[03:53] <Amaranth> ah, low latency
[03:53] <jdub> geppy: then you have to do the hardware integration for both
[03:54] <inc> i have /usr/lib/libdns.so.16.0.0 should I make a symlink
[03:54] <jdub> geppy: which just gets ridiculous
[03:54] <pauldaoust> TheMuso: rocking. do you use a special distro like AGNULA, or do you just install some generic distro and patch it for low latency?
[03:54] <Amaranth> that's the only term i've heard used to describe jack
[03:54] <geppy> jdub:  polypaudio can be set to run one-per-system, and it need only know about JACK, not the hardware
[03:54] <jdub> geppy: and the jack developers are totally not interested in it
[03:54] <error_29> pauldaoust, only when playing back something just recorded
[03:54] <pauldaoust> error_29: cuuuuurious
[03:54] <error_29> I'm set on 32 bit float, no dither.
[03:54] <pauldaoust> so you don't see any clipping in the waveform itself?
[03:54] <jdub> geppy: then you have the same permission problems with only having a system daemon
[03:54] <geppy> jdub:  There are lots of developers who would love to get involved in the project, though.
[03:54] <TheMuso> pauldaoust: I use Slackware for my audio stuff, because that is what I used before Ubuntu. Since I also maintain a package site of Slackware packages for audio, I think my work is a waste if I don't use it myself.
[03:54] <jdub> geppy: only now you've gone and done it twice
[03:54] <error_29> Nope, no clipping distortion, crackling at all levels
[03:54] <pauldaoust> TheMuso: heh heh, true enough
[03:54] <geppy> jdub:  But would the realtime and audio groups not be enough for permissions?
[03:55] <dale_gribble> hey everybody
[03:55] <jdub> geppy: and with all the layers, there's even more room for breakage
[03:55] <jdub> geppy: no
[03:55] <geppy> jdub:  Alright.
[03:55] <dale_gribble> has anyone had any success getting direct rendering working for an ati card on ubuntu 64?
[03:55] <jdub> geppy: if anyone in the audio group can talk to jack, anyone can talk to anyone's audio device
[03:55] <pauldaoust> TheMuso: I think I'll end up using a Debian distro... I came to Ubuntu from Gentoo, so I feel most comfortable when I can just say 'emerge jackit' or 'apt-get jackit' and watch it install itself :)
[03:55] <TheMuso> pauldaoust: Agnula is a good one.
[03:56] <jdub> geppy: i've thought about this a lot over the past 12 months :)
[03:56] <geppy> jdub:  So, an Ubuntu-based JACK distro it is?  ;)
[03:56] <TheMuso> It has the lot; Ardour, qjackctl, muse, etc.
[03:56] <geppy> hahaha
[03:56] <jdub> geppy: no, we just need to make jack easily installable for those who need it
[03:56] <geppy> jdub: As have I, but I simply feel that it's worth all of the extra work. =)
[03:56] <pauldaoust> error_29: hum. Audacity does have its own volume controls; I assume you've played around with those, eh?
[03:57] <RAH66-Apache> whats Hoary like, im upgrading right now
[03:57] <TheMuso> jdub: If you were to use jack, have you considered what number of frames per period you would use?
[03:57] <error_29> hmm, pauldaoust, I get the crackles with no input either --No, I didn't realize it had its own volume controls - maybe that's it! let me check
[03:57] <Pluk> hoary makes you karma grow
[03:57] <RAH66-Apache> what does that mean
[03:57] <Pluk> its all about chi
[03:57] <jdub> geppy: i don't think you quite grok the work required, or the amount of breakage that is possible
[03:57] <geppy> jdub:  Oh, I'm not implying that you (or anyone else on the Ubuntu team) would need to make a separate distro, I'm simply suggesting that I do it.  I mean, there are a few things that would need to be changed to be able to use JACK well, including the realtime-lsm, that don't exist in the Ubuntu repositories
[03:57] <roamm> hey all
[03:57] <geppy> jdub:  I probably don't. =)
[03:58] <jdub> geppy: sure, i'm disagreeing that you need to make another distro
[03:58] <pauldaoust> TheMuso: I was very surprised by the absence of certain rather important programs in the AGNULA distro... things like Ardour and MusE and Rosegarden and cetera.
[03:58] <roamm> can anyone tell me how 2 set my bloody root password
[03:58] <inc> thoreauputic i made this symlink libdns.so.16 -> libd ns.so.16.0.0 and now get a segmentation fault
[03:58] <roamm> the install didnt prompt me to set root passwd
[03:58] <roamm> :()
[03:58] <pauldaoust> TheMuso: although I guess I can just add a Debian repository to sources.list and install them, eh?
[03:58] <TheMuso> pauldaoust: Well the latest one I tried seemed to have Ardour at least.
[03:58] <jdub> TheMuso: given that you'd have to have another process managing the jack connection, you could configure jack optimally for game/pro-audio use
[03:58] <TheMuso> pauldaoust: I guess you could.
[03:58] <pauldaoust> TheMuso: ah, maybe they just don't list it on their website.
[03:58] <jdub> roamm: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:58] <thoreauputic> inc: nasty :(
[03:58] <geppy> jdub:  I'm not talking about a completely different distro, though, simply an alternate Ubuntu ISO that I could give out to multimedia-oriented friends
[03:58] <jdub> roamm: the root account is disabled by default in ubuntu
[03:58] <TheMuso> jdub: True.
[03:59] <jdub> geppy: sure. but that could be based on work done directly in ubuntu to make jack integrate well.
[03:59] <TheMuso> geppy: There are many other multimedia based distros out there already. Agnulla, etc.
[03:59] <RAH66-Apache> i'm gonna make the switch to Mandrake
[03:59] <inc> thoreauputic: yup
[03:59] <geppy> TheMuso:  And they're good for nothing else.
[03:59] <pauldaoust> anyone played around with xcompmgr? I get those ugly see-through Metacity decorations, and I was wondering if there's a way I can turn off Metacity's (broken) composite support without recompiling it myself.
[03:59] <thoreauputic> inc: sorry I'm not the one to ask - I just use it, I'm no expert
[03:59] <Pluk> who needs root anyway just add the use to the group root :S
[03:59] <Pluk> dont!
[04:00] <wasabi> Hello. I am trying to set up a VPN link to a remote network. What software is recommended (on the client, Ubuntu)?
[04:00] <TheMuso> geppy: So you mean a distro that can be used for multimedia as well as general use?
[04:00] <pauldaoust> Pluk: that's just about the worst idea I've heard in a while ^_^
[04:00] <geppy> TheMuso:  Yes.
[04:00] <Pluk> :D
[04:00] <TheMuso> geppy: Fair enough.
[04:00] <inc> i hear that
[04:00] <RAH66-Apache> anybody used Mandrake in here before?
[04:00] <LinuxJones> wasabi, tightvnc is awesome
[04:00] <error_29> ok pauldaoust , changing volume settings in Audacity doesn't affect crackle, present at all input volumes
[04:00] <SiRrUs> RAH66-Apache yep
[04:00] <wasabi> linuxboy, I did say VPN, right?
[04:01] <pauldaoust> wasabi: good question... unfortunately I can't help ya, because I havne't had to do that before
[04:01] <RAH66-Apache> is it user friendly
[04:01] <TheMuso> geppy: I personally wouldn't use something like that, as I like to have something optimally configured for a single use. In this case, audio work, and for this I have Slackware with my own packages.
[04:01] <pauldaoust> RAH66-Apache: I think Ubuntu blows the doors off Mandrake for user-friendliness
[04:01] <pauldaoust> wasabi: PPTP or IPSec?
[04:01] <wasabi> pauldaoust, both preferably.
[04:01] <pauldaoust> error_29: that's a stumper.
[04:01] <error_29> pauldaoust, I agree with you on Mandrake!
[04:01] <geppy> TheMuso:  Understood, but I am not of that type. =)
[04:01] <wasabi> PPTP is actually fine I guess.
[04:01] <thoreauputic> RAH66-Apache: it's OK - I found 10.1 kind of buggy but YMMV
[04:01] <LinuxJones> wasabi, you want to run a desktop across a network remotely correct ?
[04:02] <RAH66-Apache> really? I dont like Ubuntu that much, its kinda boring
[04:02] <SiRrUs>  RAH66-Apache yeah it is or 10.1 is
[04:02] <wasabi> LinuxJones, no.
[04:02] <error_29> Thanks pauldaoust, i'll check forums on Audacity
[04:02] <pauldaoust> error_29: yeah, wish I could help :-/
[04:02] <Pluk> wasabi, try vpnc
[04:02] <pauldaoust> never had that problem b4
[04:02] <Pluk> is the cisco vpn client
[04:02] <error_29> Thanks for trying pauldaoust!
[04:02] <wasabi> Ahh.
[04:03] <pauldaoust> error_29: glad you agree with me about Mandrake :) I find Mandrake's controls are too spread out and scattered... mind you, I'm also comfortable with going to the command line if there's a setting missing from any of Ubuntu's graphical thingies
[04:03] <robertj> ok, GrumpyGroundhog is now more interesting than before
[04:03] <error_29> um, pauldaoust, (just a hail mary here) I don't suppose you've run Cooledit through Wine, have you?
[04:03] <pauldaoust> robertj: does it even exist?
[04:04] <robertj> paul: sure does
[04:04] <pauldaoust> error_29: gee whiz, no :) I wouldn't know where to get a (legitimate) copy of CoolEdit anyway... I just use Ardour and JACK
[04:04] <robertj> (the wiki page that is)
[04:04] <pauldaoust> error_29: rather steep learning curve, but it's a beautiful program once you get over its idiosyncracies
[04:04] <error_29> I hated configuring Mandrake, pagefault , and I really really hated the install (this was version 7, to be fair)
[04:04] <pauldaoust> robertj: what's so exciting about it?
[04:05] <error_29> the default was dumbed down and the expert was deadly (for my hard drive, ignoramus that I was-- and am!)
[04:05] <robertj> paul: I didn't say it's exciting, I just said it's more interesting
[04:05] <pauldaoust> I think Mandrake is just cluttered and poorly thought out, that's all... and distros with online package managers are just... I don't know... they make me cry they're such a good idea :)
[04:05] <geppy> pauldaoust: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrumpyGroundhog
[04:05] <error_29> oops, sorry pagefault, I meant pauldaoust
[04:06] <pauldaoust> robertj: ah, more interesting... so in what way is it more interesting?
[04:06] <monoxide> apt keeps saying: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[04:06] <error_29> Mandrake made me dislike gnome and detest kde.  I'm over it now.
[04:06] <monoxide> whenever i try to install/upgrade any packages
[04:06] <pauldaoust> error_29: heh heh
[04:06] <pauldaoust> so what did you do?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> error_29: much water has passed under the Mdk bridge since 7.0 ;-) It's quite OK now but it feels kind of toy-like to me...
[04:06] <pauldaoust> monoxide: goll... that's weird....... authenticated? never hearda that?
[04:06] <robertj> paul: it used to consist of a single nebulous discussion of user templates
[04:07] <robertj> now it instead has all the stuff marked deferred on the HoaryGoals
[04:07] <error_29> But I've gotta say, i dislike the way this gnome buries the metacity settings, for example, in with other apps in Gconfig
[04:07] <Pluk> monoxide, sources from nerim?
[04:07] <pauldaoust> robertj: ahhh, I'll go check it out. The most exciting thing in Hoary that I'm looking forward to is its update manager app.
[04:07] <marcin_ant> you know guys the problem with ubuntu is not that it's about gnome etc.
[04:07] <monoxide> Pluk: yes, but i deleted them because apt said it was ignoring them anyway
[04:08] <error_29> very confusing for a noob, coping with metacity/nautilus/gnome settings
[04:08] <marcin_ant> ubuntu is so fucking annoying because it's based on debian
[04:08] <monoxide> pauldaoust, thats the one thing that i dont like about hoary... :P
[04:08] <pauldaoust> error_29: how so?
[04:08] <Pluk> thats a matter of opinion marcin_ant  :)
[04:08] <marcin_ant> right now I'm installing fedora on my second box
[04:08] <jdub> marcin_ant: keep it nice please
[04:08] <marcin_ant> because I spent 4 hours
[04:08] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: funny, that's what I like about it ;)
[04:09] <marcin_ant> trying to configure ppp to start on boot
[04:09] <geppy> Aye, thoreauputic!
[04:09] <marcin_ant> and it didn't work
[04:09] <jdub> marcin_ant: that's quite easy, and i'm sure someone could help you out with it if you asked.
[04:09] <Pluk> ah the gprs thingy
[04:09] <pauldaoust> marcin_ant: I chose (and still love) Ubuntu precisely because it's Debian-based, and therefore soooo easy
[04:09] <monoxide> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[04:09] <monoxide>   linux-source-2.6.10
[04:09] <monoxide> Install these packages without verification? [y/N] 
[04:09] <pauldaoust> (compared to Gentoo, which is what I came from ;) )
[04:09] <monoxide> or any other package
[04:09] <marcin_ant> jdub: easy but it doesnt work!
[04:09] <monoxide> do you think it is safe to say yes?
[04:10] <marcin_ant> jdub: I read about 15 howtos etc ant it just doesn't work
[04:10] <jdub> marcin_ant: it works the same way as every other network interface.
[04:10] <Pluk> depends what source its from monoxide
[04:10] <error_29> In Gconf editor, I really think that window manager and file manager settings should have their own sections-- I had no clue what metacity even was till I clicked on every damn entry in the config editor
[04:10] <marcin_ant> jdub: sure - but NOT on boot!
[04:10] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: it's vaguely possible it doesn't work because you made a mistake, I suppose...
[04:10] <marcin_ant> jdub: I really don't know why but I configured it properly
[04:10] <monoxide> i only have the ubuntu sources in the sources.list, but could it download it from somewhere else that i used to have in the list?
[04:11] <Pluk> how do you connect to gprs marcin_ant ?
[04:11] <marcin_ant> and it works after boot
[04:11] <error_29> and something I just can't understand, is ubuntu's generic naming for apps --
[04:11] <jdub> marcin_ant: no, i am saying that it does work, exactly like all the other interfaces that come up on boot.
[04:11] <Pluk> bluetooth phone?
[04:11] <error_29> "music player" for rhythmplayer, etc
[04:11] <jdub> marcin_ant: regardless, this is not a useful way to get people to help or listen to you.
[04:11] <error_29> or whatever its called
[04:11] <marcin_ant> with /etc/init.d/networking restart and voila I got ppp0
[04:11] <marcin_ant> but on boot it just fails
[04:11] <Pluk> with what do you connect?
[04:12] <marcin_ant> jdub: I know but today I don't care
[04:12] <pauldaoust> gee whiz, robertj, you're right... Grumpy does look pretty exciting.
[04:12] <gmarsh> anyone in here know what keys are used to simulate a two button mouse on a powerbook G4?
[04:12] <gmarsh> Or how I can enable it?
[04:12] <Amaranth> ctrl+click
[04:12] <marcin_ant> jdub: as I said after 5 hours I'm really annoyed
[04:12] <error_29> but I ain't complaining.  I'm loving this laptop now.  It seemed like a compromise when I bought it; it flies with ubuntu
[04:12] <Amaranth> iirc
[04:12] <gmarsh> thansk
[04:12] <thoreauputic> gmarsh: f11 and f12 I think
[04:12] <Amaranth> well, that's how it is in OS X anyway :P
[04:12] <robertj> paul: think of it as everything that was just too exciting for hoary ;)
[04:13] <pauldaoust> the things that are most interesting to me are possible NX integration (I used FreeNX on Gentoo and it was wonderful), usplash, and ZeroConf/HOWL... it could just end up wiping the floor with those other operating systems... like Windows and stuff :)
[04:13] <jdub> marcin_ant: that does not excuse your behaviour
[04:13] <marcin_ant> jdub: ok - sorry
[04:13] <thoreauputic> gmarsh: you might need the fn key as well (I have an iBook but I'm not on it atm and I normally use a mouse)
[04:14] <marcin_ant> jdub: but don't you think that all this beautifull desktop, apps etc are useless when you simple cannot configure stupid network connection?
[04:14] <Amaranth> pauldaoust: By the time grumpy comes out longhorn should be either almost out or actually out so it will have to top that.
[04:14] <error_29> I mourn for BeOs, the friend of curious newbies who like fast boots and instant multimedia
[04:14] <gmarsh> thoreauputic: thanks.. I will try that.. if does not work I will grab a usb mouse and use it.
[04:15] <Pluk> marcin_ant, if you dont accept help stol trolling about it
[04:15] <Pluk> stop*
[04:15] <thoreauputic> gmarsh: if you have a couple of minutes I can check for you
[04:15] <marcin_ant> jdub: and for me ubuntu is great - as desktop - but it can be annoying because is based on debian
[04:15] <jdub> marcin_ant: no, not at all. firstly, others have pointed out that you're incorrect to begin with. secondly, it's our first release, and there is always lots of work to be done improving it.
[04:15] <gmarsh> fn key plus f12 did it thanks :)
[04:15] <marcin_ant> jdub: which is hard for beginners and even for advanced users
[04:15] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: if you don't like debian why on earth did you try ubuntu?
[04:15] <jdub> marcin_ant: which we've managed to make easy in many ways already.
[04:16] <marcin_ant> jdub: I agree - desktop is simple brilliant
[04:16] <maximaus> a little fyi for anybody wanting the latest graveman for Warty--the Mandrake Cooker rpm works flawlessly installed with Alien. :D
[04:16] <thoreauputic> gmarsh: good :)
[04:16] <pauldaoust> error_29: I never did get BeOS to work on my computer, which is a shame, because it always looked so cool and sensible.
[04:16] <marcin_ant> jdub: and I love ubuntu as desktop
[04:16] <error_29> Athlon or Pentium, pauldaoust?
[04:16] <TheMuso> pauldaoust: Bu it still wouldn't have been much good without jack. But I dare say Jack could have been ported. :)
[04:17] <marcin_ant> jdub: but it's background - all these "system tools" simple doesn't fit
[04:17] <TheMuso> s/Bu/But/
[04:17] <jdub> marcin_ant: more work needs to be done, yes.
[04:17] <marcin_ant> jdub: they are 5 years behind desktop usablility
[04:17] <jdub> marcin_ant: not worth complaining about in an unfriendly way.
[04:17] <error_29> I don't know Jack about Jack, sorry, true, I'm sure you've heard it before
[04:18] <monoxide> can someone help me with my sound issues on hoary?
[04:18] <monoxide> programs either freeze or crash when they try to use sound
[04:18] <error_29> somebody wrote a page for BeOs that even made it recoginize my ATI AIW tuner.
[04:18] <pauldaoust> error_29: Celeron, back then. TheMuso: yeah, Jack is pretty astounding...
[04:18] <error_29> wasn't pretty, but it worked
[04:18] <marcin_ant> jdub: I already said that I'm sorry
[04:18] <error_29> ok, I'm googling Jack
[04:18] <TheMuso> monoxide: Are you using esound/polypaudio for sound?
[04:18] <monoxide> only gaim and gnome seem to be able to play sound fine...
[04:18] <monoxide> and even gaim crashes occasionally
[04:19] <pauldaoust> monoxide: sounds like a permission problem. what programs are you using? Any programs? or just totem?
[04:19] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: ping
[04:19] <SiRrUs> BrianAnthony get hoary up and running?
[04:20] <chillywilly> you guys really should have openssh-server be part of the ubuntu-desktop package, -base even
[04:20] <monoxide> TheMuso, im trying to, yes
[04:20] <dale_gribble> hey guys how do you make an emergency boot floppy
[04:20] <monoxide> any programs, beep, mplayer seems to work, wine wont start at all
[04:20] <dale_gribble> i need to dual boot xp and i know it will overwrite the mbr
[04:20] <chillywilly> I can't live w/o ssh and I keep forgetting to install it on my workstation at work
[04:20] <error_29> ah, jack looks great.  But I'm inept with sound cards.  And I don't know why ubuntu is showing me about 700 different channels for my card
[04:20] <ms988> Hello, is there anybody that can help me with installing a printer? Not too familiar with Linux and having a little difficulty
[04:20] <error_29> I don't even have a line in
[04:21] <monoxide> the only programs that seem to work are gaim, mplayer (displays an error, then works) and gnome
[04:21] <pauldaoust> ms988: what's up?
[04:21] <SiRrUs> ms988 system administration printing
[04:21] <thoreauputic> ms988: computer > system config >Printing
[04:22] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:22] <ms988> Okay, I have a Lexmark X1150 printer/scanner. Don't really care about the scanner, the printer's what I need. I try to install, but test pages don't print, nor do anything else
[04:22] <marcin_ant> jdub: but my ppp connection still doesn't work - so I need to switch to fedora or something
[04:22] <Besttechie> Hi - I have a question about searching for packages using apt-get - can anyone help?
[04:22] <marcin_ant> jdub: simple because things that shoud work
[04:22] <marcin_ant> jdub: (auto ppp0
[04:22] <marcin_ant> iface ppp0 inet ppp
[04:22] <marcin_ant>         provider tpsa
[04:22] <marcin_ant> )
[04:22] <SiRrUs> marcin_ant why not buy a $10.00 router
[04:22] <marcin_ant> jdub: doesn't work
[04:22] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: you've made your point I think
[04:22] <error_29> pauldaoust, thanks for your audacious help -- :-) time for some tube and some grub G'night
[04:22] <chillywilly> Besttechie: apt-cache search foo
[04:23] <maximaus> Besttechie, did you try a simple "crtl+f" and seach the descriptions?
[04:23] <|QuaD-> i need to download all the links on a site (i basicallt want to mirror the site) what program should i use
[04:23] <monoxide> Besttechie, try "apt-get install <package>* -s" or just use synaptic
[04:23] <Besttechie> Ok
[04:23] <thoreauputic> |QuaD-: wget for cli
[04:23] <Besttechie> ty
[04:23] <Besttechie> I'll try it right now
[04:23] <marcin_ant> SiRrUs: and?
[04:23] <|QuaD-> thoreauputic: an entire site? i want 1 level of links
[04:24] <SiRrUs> marcin_ant your ppp is dsl correct?
[04:24] <jdub> |QuaD-: read man wget
[04:24] <marcin_ant> SiRrUs: nope - gprs
[04:24] <ms988> Anyone able to help with installing a printer?
[04:24] <|QuaD-> jdub: k
[04:24] <marcin_ant> SiRrUs: usb modem
[04:25] <SiRrUs> marcin_ant i see maybe worth a shot
[04:25] <pauldaoust> ms988: if you go to 'Computer' > 'System Configuration' > 'Printers', is your printer listed there?
[04:26] <ms988> No; I've installed it there, but the test pages don't print and stuff, and there's no other drivers.
[04:26] <marcin_ant> SiRrUs: I need to configure this for my customer
[04:26] <ms988> I removed it (the printer)t, I thought i did something wrong.
[04:26] <pauldaoust> ms988: does it say '0 Jobs' under your printer?
[04:26] <Wilcox> Hello
[04:26] <ms988> I'll re-add it and see
[04:27] <marcin_ant> SiRrUs: and this PC will go to home where gprs is the only available connection
[04:27] <Wilcox> How is everyone this fine evening?
[04:27] <pauldaoust> tired
[04:27] <pauldaoust> :-/
[04:27] <SiRrUs> I think jdub said Ubuntu is very new, it will improve as it grows
[04:27] <Wilcox> I hear ya...
[04:27] <ms988> paul: yeah, "Ready - 0 Jobs"
[04:27] <SiRrUs> Wilcox I am great but I will get better
[04:28] <Wilcox> When?
[04:28] <pauldaoust> with the Hoary release ^_^
[04:28] <Wilcox> ^_^
[04:28] <SiRrUs> about 30 seconds :)
[04:28] <pauldaoust> ms988: hm, what to do now... if there were any pages in queue, they probably got deleted when you removed the printer.
[04:28] <ms988> Try to print again then?
[04:29] <Wilcox> Anyone ever tryed that Crossover Office?
[04:29] <SiRrUs> yep works great
[04:29] <pauldaoust> ms988: once the printer is installed, right-click, select 'Properties', and then go test page...
[04:29] <Wilcox> I bought it and it seems pretty good
[04:29] <pauldaoust> ms988: (just for something simple to print out)
[04:29] <thoreauputic> ms988: I just saw on linuxprinting.org someone had success with the z600 driver if that's any use to you
[04:29] <ms988> yeah
[04:29] <BrianAnthony> is it okay to down-grade a kernel version?
[04:29] <pauldaoust> ms988: I'm just curious about whether the pages are in queue but just can't get to the printer.
[04:29] <Wilcox> BrianAnthiny: Sure it is.
[04:30] <Wilcox> Why do you want to though?
[04:30] <ms988> I clicked test page, said it sent it to the printer, but it still says 0 jobs in the printers window
[04:30] <BrianAnthony> I can't get my ATI drivers to work with 2.6.10 right
[04:30] <SiRrUs> ms988 strange question but is your printer connected to another PC?
[04:30] <pauldaoust> ms988: and it says 'Ready'?
[04:30] <ms988> No, it's local via usb
[04:30] <ms988> yes
[04:30] <Wilcox> Mine would not work either.
[04:30] <Wilcox> I am not sure why though..
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> me either.
[04:31] <pauldaoust> ms988: weird. mebbe try printing something from Evolution or some other GNOME proggy
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> it wouldn't install the kernel module right
[04:31] <ms988> hm ok
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> so there's no direct 3d rendering
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> so I want it to work again
[04:31] <Wilcox> It would not give me 3D at all.
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> so I'm going to downgrade my kernel
[04:31] <Wilcox> I got it to install OK
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> it installed alright
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> no errors
[04:31] <BrianAnthony> but no 3d
[04:31] <Wilcox> Yea there should not be any real harm in doing that.
[04:32] <qoke> umm, just a question, do Ubuntu not want anymore mirrors ?
[04:32] <Wilcox> qoke: ???
[04:32] <Wilcox> Why?
[04:32] <tjs> just a curiosity, are there any plants to package beagle for hoary?
[04:32] <qoke> i've emailed twice offering to host one, but no reply ?
[04:32] <Wilcox> Not sure.
[04:33] <Wilcox> Try getting on the forums.
[04:33] <IorGie> The currents servers seem to handle the traffic pretty well
[04:33] <Wilcox> You would probably get a faster responce.
[04:33] <Wilcox> True
[04:33] <gort_afk> is anyone having problems with the lastest hoary update?
[04:33] <ms988> paul: tried printing an email from evolution, but printers window still says 0 jobs
[04:33] <qoke> i tried emailing info@canonical and the guy who apparently deals with the mirrors (james)
[04:33] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: pong!
[04:33] <gort_afk> my mouse is frozen, and the panel wont come up.
[04:34] <gort_afk> keyboad is unresponsive.
[04:34] <qoke> there currently is no mirror in New Zealand, tahts why i was offering
[04:34] <pauldaoust> ms988: gee, that's pretty... weird
[04:34] <BrianAnthony> linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-386 is already the newest version.
[04:34] <BrianAnthony> =S
[04:34] <BrianAnthony> I'm using 2.6.10
[04:34] <BrianAnthony> err. 2.6.11
[04:35] <thoreauputic> gmarsh: you're welcome
[04:35] <SiRrUs> have you tried turning your printer off then back on
[04:35] <BrianAnthony> d oI need to remove it and install it again
[04:35] <gmarsh> I love Ubuntu so far.. I may use it in the future instead of OSX.
[04:35] <ms988> paul: I know. I've had problems with this printer on Suse 9.0 and Fedora 2 as well, it never seems to work
[04:35] <ms988> Makes me love my Mac'
[04:35] <Wilcox> Macs are awsome!
[04:35] <ms988> put it there
[04:35] <IorGie> does anyone have any experience with LVM or software raid over here?
[04:36] <qoke> Iorgie: i have
[04:36] <qoke> software raid that is..
[04:36] <thoreauputic> gmarsh: I aleady do on my iBook :)
[04:36] <thoreauputic> *already
[04:36] <BrianAnthony> Wilcox: do I need to apt-get remove the kernel to install it again?
[04:36] <seek> I'm so tired.
[04:36] <seek> I haven't slept in several days now.
[04:37] <Wilcox> Ouch...
[04:37] <pauldaoust> ms988: ohhh, fishy
[04:37] <IorGie> @qoke: I am trying to mount /home on my 2x200 gi sata disk. could you help me out?
[04:37] <ms988> sure is
[04:37] <Bandit> now if this is any indication of what the final Hoary is going to be like Its going to be very impressive. Server Uptime 7 days, 0:01:40
[04:37] <pauldaoust> ms988: actually, I've hardly ever used a printer b4. I was just hoping there was something simple I could help you out with :-/
[04:37] <ms988> any suggestions?
[04:37] <Bandit> and they say its unstable :)
[04:37] <Wilcox> LOL
[04:37] <ms988> sry didn't see that last one
[04:37] <bluefoxicy> root@icebox:/usr/src/linux-2.6.10# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/ubuntu64/
[04:37] <bluefoxicy> Segmentation fault
[04:37] <ms988> thanks very much tho
[04:38] <pauldaoust> ms988: no prob... wish I could help.
[04:38] <Wilcox> Why is XMMS not in the default install?
[04:38] <Wilcox> That is strange
[04:38] <gmarsh> Macs I may try it on a PC sometime in the near future.. I will have to install again on my debian sarge box after I give it the new motherboard.
[04:38] <calc> because its ugly
[04:38] <Wilcox> What looks better?
[04:38] <calc> totem and rhythmbox which are included
[04:38] <gmarsh> macs are cool machines..
[04:38] <IorGie> who cares about looks?
[04:39] <Wilcox> You can use skins from winamp.com
[04:39] <qoke> Iorgie: did you get my priv. msg ?
[04:39] <Wilcox> just gram the version 2 series
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: you can install xmms - or better, beep-media-player
[04:39] <thoreauputic> uses xmms/winamp skins and gtk2
[04:40] <Wilcox> Oh, I have XMMS installed.  Just weird that it is not in the defauly install
[04:40] <fr500> beep rocks!!!
[04:40] <gmarsh> I need to look at something for internet radio.. I tried Rythembox but it crashes when trying to load a stream.
[04:40] <thoreauputic> beep is worth a look
[04:41] <thoreauputic> gmarsh: install gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer-plugins
[04:41] <gmarsh> ok.. will give that a try..
[04:42] <thoreauputic> gmarsh: works here for shoutcast and other mp3 streams
[04:42] <qoke> if any Ubuntu admins are on, and you would like a New Zealand Ubuntu mirror hosted (which is already rsynced hourly) please email me qoke@qoke.net
[04:42] <Wilcox>  Beep is just like XMMS
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: it's a fork
[04:42] <fr500> Beep is a bit better for me
[04:43] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: a bit more user-friendly and looks better IMO
[04:43] <___ZACK___> Hi, I am running the Gnoppix latest STABLE release (warty) and I was wondering if there is anyway that I can install it as my operating system.
[04:43] <thoreauputic> xmms is probably more reliable though...
[04:43] <fr500> i find beep more reliable
[04:44] <thoreauputic> fr500: ah well... we have a choice :)
[04:44] <Wilcox> It just has a different skin
[04:44] <fr500> hehe
[04:44] <calc> wasn't beep the fork of xmms since upstream xmms wanted to stay dead?
[04:44] <___ZACK___> anyone have a solution to my OS problem?
[04:44] <thoreauputic> hehe
[04:44] <maximaus> I second the reliability of xmms vs. beep---though beep should be the better choice rather soon.
[04:44] <Wilcox> LOL true that we do have a choice.
[04:45] <fr500> and beep is working on wal support so it's gonna be looking cool
[04:45] <thoreauputic> ___ZACK___: just unstall the ubuntu warty iso :)
[04:45] <thoreauputic> *install
[04:45] <___ZACK___> how do I do that? lol
[04:46] <Wilcox> Download Ubuntu and install it.
[04:46] <___ZACK___> like, I am used to having the little buttons
[04:46] <fr500> i had winamp5 in my ubuntu (with crossover), but winamp is slow in windows so it was too slow for use in windows
[04:46] <Wilcox> Just go to ubuntulinux.org and download or request a CD.
[04:46] <___ZACK___> ok
[04:46] <___ZACK___> thanks
[04:46] <fr500> ___ZACK___: go to the ubuntu site download the iso burn it insert it and boot from there
[04:46] <thoreauputic> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/release/
[04:46] <fr500> hmmmm
[04:46] <fr500> late
[04:46] <thoreauputic> choose warty
[04:47] <fr500> my  warty cds haven't arrived, i think hoary will be released sooner than they arrive :(
[04:47] <Wilcox> Is there any good beginner guides for "The Gimp"?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> fr500: takes 4-6 weeks I believe
[04:48] <Wilcox> I am very good with photoshop but am having a hard time finding my way around in the gimp.
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: there's an online book called "Grokking the Gimp"
[04:48] <fr500> yeah, well i don't remember when i ordered, last time i chcked they were shipped on feb12th
[04:48] <calc> i gave most of my cds to coworkers this past week, trying to convert them over from debian ;)
[04:48] <Wilcox> Cool stuff!
[04:48] <Wilcox> Thanks
[04:48] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:50] <maximaus> Wilcox, I prefer the Gimp's UI to photoshop for mundane tasks, but granted PS's got quite a few more features that can be indispensible--anyhow, Photoshop runs flawlessly on my Ubuntu box using Crossover Office. :D
[04:50] <thynis> so.... anybody in here yet that is running maconlinux in ubuntu?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: if you enable multiverse repository in synaptic, you can install grokking-the-gimp
[04:51] <fr500> thoreauputic: what do you have now warty or hoary?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: or sudo apt-get install grokking-the-gimp
[04:51] <thynis> warty
[04:51] <Wilcox> Yea, I already downloaded it.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> fr500: warty - I'm on dialup and I installed from the free CD
[04:51] <thynis> if you were askingm me?
[04:51] <awb4422> hey - i downloaded a warty iso and when i tried to install it, the installer bombed out during the base system install citing a bad iso. the md5sum checks out however. anyone ever heard of anything like this?
[04:51] <fr500> so, does the print screen key work for you?
[04:52] <thoreauputic> fr500: no, not in gnome
[04:52] <tuxdisciple> I guess I can live without sound on my laptop till someone figures out a fix for it.... :/
[04:52] <fr500> oh ok
[04:52] <SiRrUs> thoreauputic your going to need to get yourself hoary
[04:52] <awb4422> i guess i can download a new iso - however im bandwidth limited until about 12 oclock tomorrow in the dorms :/
[04:52] <thoreauputic> fr500: but I'm running fluxbox mostly so I define my own keystroke shortcuts
[04:53] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: have you tried to install/run XFce under Hoary?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> SiRrUs: heh - so far warty is fine for me :)
[04:53] <fr500> what is fluxbox?
[04:53] <YankDownUnder> Fluxbox is a window manager - like Gnome or Blackbox
[04:53] <SiRrUs> thoreauputic when you want it let me know and i will send you a disk
[04:53] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: yeah, but it looked ...ordinary... I guess it needs tweaking
[04:53] <thoreauputic> SiRrUs: thanks :)
[04:54] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: I got a strange error about a missing module - can't seem to figger it out....
[04:54] <SiRrUs> the array 5 works very good
[04:54] <YankDownUnder> Just downloaded Array5 yesterday - going to install it sometime today I reckon
[04:54] <geppy> Array5?
[04:54] <SiRrUs> yep
[04:54] <geppy> Oh, yes, 5.
[04:55] <geppy> My bad/
[04:55] <SiRrUs> YankDownUnder just watch out for that kernel error
[04:55] <SiRrUs> or problem
[04:55] <Wilcox> How do you download over IRC?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> the noinotify bug?
[04:55] <YankDownUnder> SiRrUs: Er.....error? Hmmm.....
[04:55] <Wilcox> Anyone know?
[04:56] <fr500> does hoary have better laptop supponrt?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: you mean dcc?
[04:56] <Wilcox> what is ddc?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: what client are you using?
[04:56] <Wilcox> X-Chat
[04:56] <SiRrUs> the 2.6.10-4 kernel you need to add noinotify to it
[04:56] <SiRrUs> then it works perfectly
[04:56] <fr500> my warty doesnt let me use the Fn-f1....f12 jeys
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: you can send files with dcc
[04:57] <fr500> keys
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> fr500, laptop?
[04:57] <fr500> yes
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> ah, common problem ... I have same issue with suse on this dell latitude
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> only the brightness and wireless/bluetooth Fn functions work
[04:58] <fr500> nomasteryoda: found a solution?
[04:58] <SiRrUs> well see you all later have a good evening/morning/afternoon
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> not yet
[04:58] <fr500> no Fn keys work for me
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> fr500, i tried installing the fnfx and toshiba fn key fixes
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> man that is a pain
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> what brand laptop
[04:58] <fr500> toshiba........i have toshiba, gotta find that
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> ah
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> yes, the fnfx and toshiba keys apps should help
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> you might be lucky
[04:59] <Bandit> SiRrUs as i have told you before they dont like greetings here so i will say it for all of them....Later dude.............
[04:59] <fr500> i read hoary has software suspend support, i think i'm gonna ley my laptop upgrade at night
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> good choice
[04:59] <fr500> i tried recompiling but it messed my wifi
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: sorry - dcc is a direct connection (peer-to-peer) that can be used to share files etc
[04:59] <fr500> probably will detect my Fn keys too (hopes)
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> fr500, what wifi chipset
[05:00] <geppy> Are there any Gstreamer-based video players that aren't made with retarded licensing?
[05:00] <fr500> Atheros, works just fine in warty
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> supa
[05:00] <fr500> but after patching it got messed
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> i just ordered 2 $10 att 4700g pc cards today
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: Direct Client to Client = dcc
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> both supposed to be atheros
[05:00] <Wilcox> thoreauputic: Oh! OK, thanks
[05:01] <Wilcox> I am looking it right now.
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: explore the settings and window menus on xchat
[05:01] <Wilcox> I have not used IRC very much
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Wilcox: :)
[05:01] <fr500> my wifi worked out of the box, i was surprised
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> Wilcox, and the help file
[05:01] <Wilcox> Thanks
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> fr500, yes atheros is good stuff
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:02] <fr500> uh what is that?
[05:02] <fr500> for the hopes thing?
[05:02] <fr500> ok
[05:02] <fr500> got it
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:04] <fr500> i'm building a htpc around ubuntu
[05:04] <qoke> echo /dev/md0 /home ext3 defaults 0 1 >> /etc/fstab
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> i had to setup profiles in suse so i could use my bcm and atheros cards... for kismet and being able to xchat at same time
[05:04] <fr500> probably i'm gonna be making an ubuntu logo case
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> fr500, oooh
[05:04] <qoke> you can edit /etc/fstab with your favourite editor also if you want
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> fr500, nice
[05:05] <fr500> i have a good friend who works on wood
[05:05] <fr500> i fear for driver support
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> fr500, i made 2 LCD picture frames with damnsmall linux
[05:05] <fr500> i'm gonna sue a via epia card
[05:05] <froust> to add someone to sudoers, do i just edit the sudoers file?
[05:05] <fr500> cool
[05:05] <thoreauputic> froust: use visudo
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> got to do a small video of the latest one... and upload to my site
[05:05] <thoreauputic> froust: it checks for errors
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> nomasteryoda.blogspot.com
[05:06] <fr500> nlet me see
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> look for LCD
[05:06] <froust> thoreauputic: thanks
[05:06] <thoreauputic> froust: you're welcome :)
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> kismetting your own network is kinda fun
[05:07] <fr500> i read some reviews on via epia m cards and they seem real nice for multimedia, but an 800mhz pIII is faster
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:07] <fr500> and no agp ports
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> i have an 800mhz duron
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> works pretty good
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> no agp
[05:07] <fr500> that has me worried since i was thinking on mass production of something alike
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> er, oops this one does have agp
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> put my nvidia 256mb in it
[05:08] <fr500> but usuability is limited to multimedia, desktop work and internet
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> i used to watch movies on a 400mhz dell laptop
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> dvds
[05:08] <fr500> i plan it to be a router/firewall, htpc+tv tuner
[05:08] <sigglet> jdub: !
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> those LCDs are what I got the 4700g cards for
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> so i can hang them on the wall and update from anywhere
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:09] <fr500> yes, i'll build one for me, then i'll evaluate the possibility of "mass" production
[05:10] <fr500> oh cool
[05:10] <mebaran151> what is the advantage of developing in mono?
[05:10] <Amaranth> mebaran151: compared to what?
[05:10] <BrianAnthony> if I install the kernel source from apt-get where does it fall directory wise?
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> only 64mb ram, 166mhz P
[05:10] <mebaran151> Amaranth:  I meant in general
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> works nice
[05:10] <mebaran151> like I have a bare minimum experience in C++
[05:11] <BrianAnthony> I installed kernerl-source-2.6.8, but it's not in /usr/src =S
[05:11] <qoke> BrianAnthony: normally a .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 file in /usr/src AFAIK
[05:11] <mebaran151> maybe a little over bare
[05:11] <mebaran151> but I was going to get back into programming
[05:11] <mebaran151> and keep hearing .NET and mono buzzing around
[05:11] <qoke> BrianAnthony: i dont think it unpacks the tar.bz2 for you
[05:11] <mebaran151> want to know the big deal
[05:12] <mebaran151> so like how does Mono compare to C++
[05:12] <fr500> mono has c# support i think
[05:12] <fr500> not c++
[05:13] <BrianAnthony> qoke: ah, I see it now. what are the options for tar that I need to extract it
[05:13] <qoke> whaq_ ??
[05:13] <qoke> whaq_ as in the whaq_ from ZA ?
[05:13] <mebaran151> fr500, I know
[05:13] <BrianAnthony> mebaran151: how does a compiler compare to an programming language?
[05:14] <fr500> mono is just an open source implementation of an ecma standard whose premise is the ability to code in any languaje and produce the same executable
[05:14] <mebaran151> ah....
[05:14] <fr500> a compiler compiles
[05:14] <Amaranth> mebaran151: rapid application development
[05:14] <mebaran151> I thought it was an entirely new manner of code
[05:14] <mebaran151> ok
[05:14] <Amaranth> mebaran151: basically it's supposed to be like java
[05:14] <mebaran151> what are the mono repos
[05:14] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:14] <mebaran151> but Java never struck as all that grand
[05:15] <BrianAnthony> What's wrong with Java?
[05:15] <fr500> actually java is very big now
[05:15] <Amaranth> not on the desktop
[05:15] <fr500> well yes
[05:15] <monoxide> java != rapid application development
[05:15] <BrianAnthony> Java > C#
[05:15] <mebaran151> but I always found when I did a little dabbling in Java
[05:15] <mebaran151> that I had might as well do the thing in C
[05:15] <mebaran151> and get it out just as nicely
[05:15] <fr500> if you look for something to build apps very fast, like whidbey (.NET 2005), that is all about the ide
[05:16] <mebaran151> then again I never did web applets
[05:16] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: what are the options for tar that I need to use to extract a bz2 file?
[05:16] <fr500> the ide does all the bindings and stuff for you
[05:16] <mebaran151> or probably any of the stuff Java was good for
[05:16] <fr500> you focus son your especific code
[05:16] <MacHelp> is there a way I can or apt-get a program that gives me a wake up alarm at a certain time
[05:16] <Amaranth> if you want a language that stays out of your way i'd say Python with PyGTK for making GUIs :)
[05:16] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: tar xvjf file.tar.bz2
[05:16] <mebaran151> Python is nice
[05:16] <qoke> BrianAnthony: tar jxvf file.tar.bz2
[05:16] <fr500> MacHelp: cron i think
[05:16] <mebaran151> but for certain stuff
[05:16] <mebaran151> it gets a tad slow
[05:17] <mebaran151> it is nice that it is easily extensible
[05:17] <mebaran151> I like python
[05:17] <BrianAnthony> thanks
[05:17] <monoxide> yea, cron would be able to do it
[05:18] <MacHelp> how do you open cron
[05:18] <mebaran151> MacHelp, cron doesnt open
[05:18] <monoxide> MacHelp, crontab -e
[05:18] <mebaran151> oh
[05:18] <mebaran151> I never realized that
[05:19] <mebaran151> scratch wha I was going to say ..
[05:19] <MacHelp> monoxide, then wat
[05:19] <monoxide> find a cron tutorial on google
[05:19] <fr500> masteyoda are you therE?
[05:20] <fr500> nomasteryoda
[05:20] <mebaran151> MacHelp, easier maybe
[05:20] <YankDownUnder> MacHelp: Mate, you can use Webmin as a frontend to cron - amongst other system services/functions
[05:20] <mebaran151> would be to use the GoodNight plugin of XMMS
[05:20] <mebaran151> you can find it in Universe
[05:20] <mebaran151> it lets you set a time like an alarm I think
[05:20] <thoreauputic> I was going to say xmms has an alarm built in... ;)
[05:21] <thoreauputic> ah - plugin sorry
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:23] <borgista> Testing Ubuntu Hoary Array-5. Is there a reason that my mouse and keyboard stop working after log-in with the smp kernel?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> hmm - actually the alarm plugin for xmms is called xmms-alarm, funnily enough... ;-)
[05:26] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: I would have thought it would be called something complete irrelevant to it's function. Wow.
[05:27] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: haha - yes, quite out of character for a debian package :)
[05:27] <roamm> UBUNTU SUCKS
[05:27] <roamm> :>
[05:27] <roamm> its just Debian
[05:27] <roamm> made shit
[05:28] <roamm> :(
[05:28] <borgista> LOOK a TROLL!
[05:28] <roamm> no!
[05:28] <roamm> an unhappy person!
[05:28] <thoreauputic> roamm: troll elsewhere, please
[05:28] <roamm> ive made my comments
[05:28] <borgista> what happened?
[05:28] <roamm> im finished.
[05:28] <qoke> lol roamm...
[05:28] <roamm> :)
[05:28] <YankDownUnder> Was that just a yelling session?
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> roamm, hope you feel better now
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:29] <roamm> i do.
[05:29] <roamm> thankyou guys.
[05:29] <YankDownUnder> Couldn't ya have just walked next door and punched out the neighbour's dog?
[05:29] <YankDownUnder> Or kicked a kitten?
[05:29] <borgista> Testing Ubuntu Hoary Array-5. Is there a reason that my mouse and keyboard stop working after log-in with the smp kernel?
[05:30] <borgista> with the i386 kernel they both work.
[05:30] <mebaran151> do you have an smp processor
[05:30] <thoreauputic> nah, had to be broadcast to the geek population for maximum satisfaction... :)
[05:30] <YankDownUnder> borgista: USB or PS/2?
[05:30] <roamm> i wanted to take it out on ubuntu
[05:30] <borgista> yes
[05:30] <roamm> not on a kitten
[05:30] <roamm> sorry.
[05:30] <borgista> usb
[05:30] <borgista> i have the ps/2 adapter too
[05:30] <geppy> borgista:  Try PS/2
[05:30] <mebaran151> just use the ps2 adapter if it helps
[05:30] <borgista> it is.
[05:30] <YankDownUnder> borgista: Strange that....WHY are you using the SMP kernel anyways?
[05:30] <mebaran151> ps2 is pretty ghetto fabulous
[05:30] <thoreauputic> roamm: kittens SUCK!! Thay are just dogs done SHIT !
[05:31] <borgista> I have a Pentuim 4 w/Hyper Threading
[05:31] <mebaran151> thoreauputic, I have a kitten
[05:31] <borgista> thoreau?
[05:31] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Kittens do not suck. Ask the Chinese place down on Crown
[05:31] <qoke> i had this dude the other day saying to me that both debian and ubuntu are crap because niether of them can boot off his external pcmcia harddrive (which has only alpha drivers for linux)
[05:31] <monoxide> lol thoreauputic
[05:31] <thoreauputic> mebaran151: hehe- actually I like kittens
[05:31] <mebaran151> qoke, oh mercy me
[05:31] <borgista> Thoreau? Wrote "Civil Disobedience"?
[05:31] <mebaran151> sorry thoreauputic
[05:31] <mebaran151> I didnt see the above thread
[05:31] <mebaran151> involving trolling
[05:31] <mebaran151> so yeah
[05:31] <mebaran151> well played
[05:32] <borgista> i use the smp kernel just fine on Warty.
[05:32] <thoreauputic> borgista: yeah, ny comp is called "panarchy" ;-)
[05:32] <mebaran151> it might have a couple buggy spots
[05:32] <thoreauputic> *my
[05:32] <qoke> yer, it was so lol.. i then askd him to try redhat/fedora or any other distro .. he refused saying linux sucked because his 5yr old pcmcia drive wasnt supported
[05:32] <YankDownUnder> borgista: The issue is, however, are you running multiple processors?
[05:32] <mebaran151> qoke, oh mercy me
[05:32] <borgista> No, I'm not.
[05:32] <mebaran151> what shall we do
[05:32] <mebaran151> without aour ancient pcmia supoprt
[05:32] <YankDownUnder> borgista: Then don't run in SMP kernel - you won't have strange issues, eh?
[05:32] <borgista> Yes...but with SMP it runs faster.
[05:32] <borgista> Alot faster.
[05:33] <mebaran151> oh
[05:33] <mebaran151> how would you know
[05:33] <borgista> Oh well.
[05:33] <borgista> It's o.k.
[05:33] <mebaran151> your keyboard and mouse dont work!
[05:33] <mebaran151> it will probably get fixed in the next kernel revision
[05:33] <qoke> yer, exactly.. ubuntu install perfectly on my laptop, usb, pcmcia, everything just WORKS.. same on my desktop (just put hoary on for testing)
[05:33] <mebaran151> I mean rerelease
[05:33] <borgista> right now i'm on Warty.
[05:33] <borgista> not Hoary
[05:33] <mebaran151> I had weird problems
[05:33] <mebaran151> installing ubuntu
[05:33] <YankDownUnder> borgista: If you tweak the kernel settings for normal mode, and tailor it to your liking and your needs, along with tweaking yer HD settings, you might find that the normal kernel can outrun the SMP kernel....
[05:33] <mebaran151> ALSA never laid itself correctly
[05:34] <mebaran151> and AMD64 is rather odd lately
[05:34] <mebaran151> it either works perfectly
[05:34] <mebaran151> or is completely broken
[05:34] <mebaran151> all in spasms
[05:35] <tolstoy_> Yikes!  Is printing currently broken on hoary?
[05:35] <BrianAnthony> Link /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build does not exist (or is not a link)
[05:35] <BrianAnthony> why am I getting that error
[05:35] <borgista> ok
[05:35] <borgista> will do
[05:35] <borgista> bye all
[05:38] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: well, what does ls -l  /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build    say, if anything?
[05:39] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: no such file or directory
[05:39] <BrianAnthony> what do I need to put that there
[05:39] <thoreauputic> seems the error is correct then?
[05:39] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[05:40] <spacepopeye> How do I mount my XP ntfs partition in linux?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[05:41] <thoreauputic> or similar
[05:41] <spacepopeye> thnx
[05:41] <thoreauputic> then edit /etc/fstab to make it permanent
[05:41] <thoreauputic> make a dir like winXP in /mnt first
[05:42] <thoreauputic> /mnt/wintendo or something appropriate like that
[05:42] <regeya> dangit dangit dangit
[05:43] <regeya> I guess that if I want to share something between my ubuntu box at home, and my os x box at work, I'm just going to have to build from source
[05:43] <regeya> and that's all I'll say, because I'll not trouble anyone with unsupported software
[05:43] <regeya> ...unsupported software...mutter mutter... ;-)
[05:43] <thoreauputic> regeya: nautilus can use ssh to transfer files - you could use that
[05:44] <regeya> zope-cmfplone depends on two different versions of zope-cmf
[05:44] <thoreauputic> regeya: ssh comes with os-x
[05:44] <regeya> neither of which can be installed
[05:44] <regeya> thoreauputic, thanks...I'm aware
[05:44] <thoreauputic> regeya: OK
[05:44] <regeya> I just ssh'ed into my work box, in fact. :-)
[05:44] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:45] <regeya> use the work box to get into other machines on the network; checking logs.  someone at a small office shouldn't be terribly paranoid about internal security...dangit
[05:46] <regeya> worried, yes, but not paranoid :-)
[05:46] <spacepopeye> what's the bash equivelent of dir?
[05:46] <regeya> ls
[05:47] <neom> lol
[05:47] <regeya> anyone old enough to know how to get a directory listing on an apple II disk?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> regeya: you, I guess ;)
[05:48] <regeya> heh
[05:48] <regeya> yeah
[05:48] <regeya> I can remember that, but I sat at my work OS X box, wondering WTF the keychain password was for 5 mins today
[05:48] <neom> cat, isn't it?
[05:48] <regeya> dunno about newer versions; I always did 'catalog'
[05:48] <regeya> maybe cat works
[05:48] <regeya> *shrug*
[05:49] <thoreauputic> the oz version would have to have been "cattledog"
[05:49] <regeya> I punched in a password to a box I used at uni, like, 9 years ago.  but I couldn't remember the password I had typed 15min. before.  weird.
[05:49] <regeya> hehe
[05:49] <darmou> does anyone know how to configure mailman?  I can't make the mailman list:(
[05:50] <darmou> make=create
[05:52] <YankDownUnder> darmou: Mate, try joining the #mailman channel, eh?
[05:52] <darmou> ok good call thanks
[05:54] <Cleotis> I'm a FreeBSD native, Debian/Ubuntu n00b as of 30 minutes ago.  Got a .deb file.  How do I install it?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[05:55] <Cleotis> Thank you thor!
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: it will probably scream abourt dependencies though
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: usual method involves apt-get and repositories
[05:57] <Cleotis> Thoreauputic: I'm on AMD64, to make things even more interesting.
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: indeed
[05:58] <tolstoy_> Anyone know what to do when the gnome-cups-manager says (after a LONG timeout) that it can't contact the cups server?  I see cupsd in the process list...
[05:58] <Cleotis> thoreauputic, I have used Synaptic, but my .deb is not found there.  Thank you kindly for your pointers.
[05:59] <thoreauputic> tolstoy_: no, but idf you find out, please tell me :/
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Cleotis: I guess a freeBSD refugee can find his way around ;)
[05:59] <tolstoy_> thoreauputic, messed up for you as well?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> tolstoy_: local printing is fine, but network printing I can't work out :/
[06:03] <Cleotis> thoreauputic, yes I hope so, but is also different from ports.
[06:03] <tolstoy_> thoreauputic, found out (via the forums) that lo is no longer properly configured.  "sudo ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1" and then a restart did the trick.
[06:03] <tolstoy_> thoreauputic, that's a problem I've never seen on any linux anywhere.
[06:03] <thoreauputic> tolstoy_: aha ! :)
[06:04] <tolstoy_> at least not since redhat 5.1 days
[06:04] <thoreauputic> tolstoy_: very odd given how crucial that interface is :/
[06:06] <cbgb> how can i install the kdm
[06:06] <monoxide> tolstoy_, is that affecting hoary?
[06:06] <tolstoy_> monoxide, yes.
[06:06] <tolstoy_> monoxide, there was a forum entry about it, so I'm guessing it's not just my machine
[06:07] <monoxide> will that fix it all the time, or only this bootup?
[06:07] <tolstoy_> don't know. just discovered it.
[06:09] <monoxide> what sort of problems would that cause?
[06:09] <monoxide> is ifconfig supposed to display anything?
[06:09] <thoreauputic> yes
[06:09] <monoxide> i just checked... /dev/lo doesnt exist on my machine...
[06:10] <monoxide> might explain a few programs not working...
[06:10] <monoxide> how would i get it back?
[06:10] <tolstoy_> sudo ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
[06:10] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
[06:10] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # ls /dev/lo
[06:10] <monoxide> ls: /dev/lo: No such file or directory
[06:11] <tolstoy_> yikes
[06:11] <jdub> monoxide: there's no such thing as /dev/lo
[06:11] <thoreauputic> it's an interface, not a device
[06:11] <jdub> monoxide: type 'ifup lo'
[06:12] <monoxide> heh... that might explain that much
[06:12] <tolstoy_> jdub, when I did that, I got: ifup: interface lo already configured
[06:12] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # ifup lo
[06:12] <monoxide> ifup: interface lo already configured
[06:12] <monoxide> \
[06:12] <tolstoy_> jdub, wasn't until I did the ifconfig that it worked.
[06:12] <thoreauputic> monoxide: that would be expected
[06:13] <thoreauputic> monoxide: it's the local loopback interface - pretty crucial
[06:13] <jdub> tolstoy_: then ifdown lo; ifup lo
[06:13] <monoxide> hmmm... just that iv been having heaps of problems with sound server (all of alsa, oss and esound/polypaudio) and i thought that might be the problem
[06:14] <monoxide> thoreauputic, yes, i know that.
[06:15] <cg0def> is there a way to request a program to be added to apt?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> cg0def: come again? what do you mean?
[06:16] <cg0def> thoreauputic: well it would be great if acpi4asus is in apt but it is not
[06:16] <cg0def> thoreauputic: so should I file it as a bug or there is some other form?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> cg0def: ah I see - you have all repositories enabled?
[06:17] <cg0def> yes
[06:17] <cg0def> thoreauputic: I am not talking about the kernel deamon
[06:18] <thoreauputic> cg0def: I guess you could file an "enhancement" bug or something...
[06:19] <cg0def> thoreauputic: would that be from the same bugzilla that you use for regular bugs?
[06:20] <thoreauputic> cg0def: I don't really know, frankly - I did hear someone talking about filing a bug as an "enhancement" a few days ago
[06:20] <cg0def> nm the last question
[06:21] <thoreauputic> cg0def: or send it to the user mailing list perhaps?
[06:22] <cg0def> thoreauputic: yeah I suppose the mailing list would help too
[06:22] <thoreauputic> cg0def: it's pretty active
[06:34] <zyme> hooo boy
[06:34] <zyme> have i got some questions
[06:35] <zyme> can anybody tell me what this means
[06:35] <zyme> ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:37] <thoreauputic> zyme: I think it means you are running firefox-installer-bin when you should be running firefox-installer
[06:37] <zyme> hmm
[06:37] <thoreauputic> zyme: both exist in my firefox-installer directory - I suspect the latter is the one you need to run
[06:38] <zyme> i tell it to just run firefox-installer though
[06:38] <zyme> i do ./firefox-installer
[06:38] <zyme> :(
[06:38] <thoreauputic> I see - and the error is returned from the other one... hmmm
[06:39] <fr500> what was the program to make deb files after the ./configure script
[06:39] <fr500> ?
[06:39] <zyme> i will rename the other one and see what happens!
[06:39] <thoreauputic> zyme: on warty?
[06:39] <zyme> yeah
[06:39] <thoreauputic> zyme: odd - it ran without problems on warty for me
[06:40] <thoreauputic> fr500: you mean checkinstall?
[06:40] <fr500> yes
[06:40] <fr500> thanks
[06:40] <zyme> i had to mess with some stuff to get my nvidia card to work but i dont know how that possibly could effect it
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> anyone here on hoary who has /not/ installed OOo2.0 ?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> fr500: ./configure && make && checkinstall
[06:40] <zyme> can i download this "libgtk-x11-2.0.so" somewhere?
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: which prog. r u compiling ?
[06:41] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I'm not - I'm telling fr500 about checkinstall :)
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok..
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> anyone here on hoary who has /not/ installed OOo2.0 ?
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> openoffice.org2 ?
[06:41] <fr500> thoreauputic: once i get checkinstall  of course
[06:41] <thoreauputic> fr500: indeed
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> anyone tried the  klax live cd ?
[06:42] <fr500> slax?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> fr500: it's in universe
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> when i was installing openoffice.org2 apt told me about some suggestted packages. now, how do i get that list back ? can someone paste it for me ?
[06:42] <fr500> yes i found it
[06:42] <thoreauputic> checkinstall I mean
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> fr500: klax - the kde 3.4b live
[06:42] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:42] <fr500> oh, no sorry
[06:45] <fr500> i dont really like kde, i find it cool, but i like simplicity of gnome
[06:45] <fr500> so i have never got really interested
[06:46] <thoreauputic> there are some nice kde apps - amarok is really good
[06:46] <fr500> what is amarok?
[06:46] <thoreauputic> music player
[06:46] <thoreauputic> juke box a la rhythmbox
[06:46] <thoreauputic> only better
[06:46] <cocol> do u know repository for firefox (hoary)?
[06:47] <thoreauputic> isn't firefox in main?
[06:47] <fr500> oh ok
[06:47] <cocol> yep
[06:48] <cocol> but there is a spcial ne for firefox
[06:48] <thoreauputic> mozilla-firefox
[06:48] <cocol> i know thoreauputic
[06:48] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:48] <ells> da_bon_bon: I got acidrip installed, and I am not sure how to configure it. Do you?
[06:49] <cocol> i saw it in the german wiki or forum
[06:49] <thoreauputic> it's easy to forget the mozilla bit, I find *grin*
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> ells: no.. why me ? and whats acidrip ?
[06:49] <zyme> can i make things like this x-chat minimize to the tray by the clock, like GAIM does?
[06:49] <ells> da_bon_bon: I thought you might know, it is a dvd ripper
[06:50] <cocol> htere is an security update from Mozilla Foundation for FF
[06:50] <cocol> see osnews and slashdot
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> ells: ah ok. no i dont.
[06:50] <AcidWolf> bbl doing dist upgrade
[06:50] <thoreauputic> zyme: I don't think xchat does the "notification area" thing, no (at least the warty one doesn't)
[06:50] <zyme> ah that is what it is called
[06:50] <ells> da_bon_bon: I am trying to get this thing to work.
[06:50] <zyme> notification area, mmmm.
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> ells: whats the problem ?
[06:51] <thoreauputic> zyme: I think that's right - there's a panel applet for it
[06:51] <zyme> panel applet eh
[06:51] <ells> it wont rip the dvd
[06:51] <cocol> right clicking on a panel and
[06:52] <ells> da_bon_bon: not sure of the configurations
[06:52] <biomic> i know this is a stupid question, but if i wanted to add an icon to home and my mounted hfs+ partition, how would i go about doing that?
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> ells: lemme check
[06:53] <zyme> how do i get this panel applet you speak so fondly of
[06:53] <fr500> i want to make an script to install beep-media-player skins, so i can associate it to wsz files and double click them to install
[06:53] <thoreauputic> biomic: right click on desktop, make launcher, insert command like "nautilus /path/to/directory"
[06:53] <ells> da_bon_bon: cool, thanks
[06:53] <cocol> FF-1.1 is out
[06:53] <biomic> cheers thoreauputic
[06:53] <fr500> i wanted to use mv filename target_dir
[06:54] <fr500> but i don't know how to get the file
[06:54] <fr500> filename
[06:54] <fr500> any ideas
[06:54] <thoreauputic> biomic: but if you put your hfs+ in fstab it will show up in the computer places (in nautilus)
[06:54] <cocol> how i delete or annul a symb link?
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> cocol: rm -rf XXX
[06:54] <thoreauputic> cocol: just rm /symbolic/link
[06:55] <cocol> only the target-file?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: don't need the -rf usually - symbolic links are just files
[06:55] <thoreauputic> no the link
[06:55] <biomic> thoreauputic: aaah yep, i did add the hfs part to fstab and its showing up in computer places .. thatnks for that
[06:55] <thoreauputic> NOT the target!
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: yes, right.. mea culpa
[06:55] <cocol> ok i see,thx
[06:56] <rick__> hello, I suddenly can't use the web, but can still chat, ping, read mail, etc... Does this sound familiar to anyone?
[06:56] <salti> Greetings all! Can anyone tell me what "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dkpg --configure -a' to correct the problem" means?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> rick__: check the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf?
[06:56] <zyme> curses, ubuntu will not play my mp3s
[06:57] <zyme> this will not stand
[06:57] <fr500> is libmusepack in some repository?
[06:57] <fr500> cant find it
[06:59] <rick__> thoreauputic: ok, it's got some ip addresses set to the nameservers, should I try other ones?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> rick__: can you ping a URL? like ping google.com?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> if so, your nameservers are OK
[06:59] <rick__> thoreauputic: yes, I can ping. Maybe ipv6 got turned on or something?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> if you can only ping IP numbers, dns is broken
[07:00] <rick__> thoreauputic: I can ping yahoo.com
[07:00] <thoreauputic> rick__: don't know - could be I guess
[07:00] <thoreauputic> rick__: OK your nameservers are fine then
[07:01] <rick__> thoreauputic: thanks. this is like when I installed Fedora, it used ipv6 by default, so only a few sites worked
[07:01] <rick__> I don'r remember where I changed it :(
[07:01] <thoreauputic> rick__: that is *so* ridiculous
[07:02] <thoreauputic> why would ipv6 be set as a default at this time? weird!
[07:03] <rick__> thoreau: It seems like Fedora is tuned to impress you with it's features, not really designed for humans as much as Ubuntu
[07:03] <TheMuso> d
[07:04] <thoreauputic> rick__: you could try disabling ipv6 in about:config in firefox - but I doubt that's the problem
[07:04] <xaochun> i think fedora just plain isn't designed
[07:05] <thoreauputic> rick__: some people claim disabling ipv6 in firefox speeds it up, though I can't see any difference
[07:05] <rick__> thoreau: I hate to sound dense, but where would I do that?
[07:05] <YankDownUnder> Fedora is nothing but RH9 glossed over.....
[07:05] <thoreauputic> you type  about:config in the url entry bar
[07:05] <YankDownUnder> rick__: In the URL field type: about:config
[07:06] <YankDownUnder> ...beat me to it....
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> YankDownUnder: wrong. fedora is NOT rh9
[07:06] <thoreauputic> rick__: then type ipv6 in the filter thing abd you should see the relevant entry
[07:06] <rick__> kewl
[07:06] <rick__> I had no idea
[07:06] <YankDownUnder> da_bon_bon: No - it is not - but what I'm getting at is it's basically the same look/feel/setup - etc etc etc...
[07:07] <thoreauputic> rick__: well hidden, isn't it? *grin*
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> YankDownUnder: still, its a great distro.
[07:07] <thoreauputic> rick__: just for fun, type   about:mozilla and see what happens...
[07:08] <rick__> thoreau: tunfing off ipv6 seems to have worked!
[07:08] <YankDownUnder> da_bon_bon: I used to use it - especially for all my servers - but now using Debian instead...and some Mandrake...
[07:08] <rick__> I am stunned
[07:08] <thoreauputic> rick__: yay
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> YankDownUnder: mandrake is a bullshit didtro.
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> distro
[07:08] <rick__> rothflmao
[07:08] <thoreauputic> rick__: I'm surprised
[07:09] <thoreauputic> you tried about:mozilla ?
[07:09] <rick__> thoreau: well, when I booted into windows it worked, I could ping, mail, chat
[07:09] <rick__> about:mozilla made my freakin' week. that is hilarious
[07:09] <thoreauputic> rick__: ah windows.... hmm
[07:09] <thoreauputic> rick__: hehe
[07:10] <rick__> that's the first time I booted into windows since I got wireless working
[07:10] <rick__> I can't beleive how user friendly ubuntu is
[07:11] <crbvegas> hello there
[07:11] <rick__> thoreau: thanks sooo much for the belp, you made my night!
[07:11] <thoreauputic> rick__: I think synaptic would make a lot of windows users green with envy
[07:11] <crbvegas> so i just installed ubuntu for the first time
[07:11] <thoreauputic> rick__: my pleasure :)
[07:11] <crbvegas> and im extremeley confused
[07:12] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: what's the confusion about?
[07:12] <crbvegas> well, i don't know how to connect it to my windows network
[07:12] <crbvegas> my house has 3 other computers running xp
[07:13] <thoreauputic> connect as in share?
[07:13] <crbvegas> we don't have a server, but
[07:13] <crbvegas> yeah
[07:13] <crbvegas> i mean, i installed samba
[07:13] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: hmm - you need to look for samba in the package manager
[07:13] <thoreauputic> OK
[07:13] <StoffBox-Steve> so bye all,  time to work
[07:13] <crbvegas> yeah, i installed it
[07:13] <thoreauputic> I was slow
[07:13] <crbvegas> i can set up for a workgroup, but i cant get the new linux box recognized.
[07:14] <crbvegas> and it cant see my other computer
[07:14] <crbvegas> s
[07:14] <crbvegas> does it have to do with IPX or something like that do you think?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: have you searched the forums or read ubuntuguide.org ?
[07:14] <crbvegas> nah
[07:14] <YankDownUnder> crbvegas: You might want to make sure you have SWAT installed as well - and it's really easy to use Webmin as a front-end for configuring all the bits of Samba
[07:14] <crbvegas> i serioiusly just installed this like 10minutes ago
[07:15] <crbvegas> Swat you say,
[07:15] <crbvegas> going to look at that now
[07:15] <crbvegas> what does swat stand for?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: you can guarantee someone has written about samba on the wiki or forums at ubuntulinux.org
[07:15] <crbvegas> no packages are listed under swat
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> is torrentspy.com down or is it my isp problem ??
[07:16] <subterrific> da_bon_bon: seems to be down
[07:16] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: it's in the universe repository
[07:16] <subterrific> da_bon_bon: try pirate bay, and laugh at this while you're at it: http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/
[07:16] <thoreauputic> crbvegas: you need to enable that in synaptic, then reload
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> subterrific: DAMN! needed a vmware torrent
[07:16] <crbvegas> one more question, before i got forum hunting and getting dizzy with stuff... btw, yest torrentspy is down... check the pirates bay
[07:17] <crbvegas> enable it in synaptic
[07:18] <crbvegas> yeah, i did a search for swat in synaptic, and it came up with nothing
[07:18] <crbvegas> btw, how do i list channels with this x-chat prog
[07:18] <delltony> questoin whats a good program for monitoring cpu/case heat in ubuntu?
[07:19] <cocol> smartmontools
[07:19] <delltony> type /list
[07:19] <crbvegas> nm found it
[07:19] <delltony> is that in one of the repositories?
[07:19] <apj> hi
[07:19] <apj> i have some problem with openoffice2 in Hoary.
[07:20] <apj> It freeze all the time when i push Save/Save as button
[07:20] <apj> Anyone has any suggestion to me?
[07:20] <delltony> file a bug report or look on bugzilla
[07:20] <delltony> if its not there file a report
[07:21] <cocol> deinstall and reinstall OOo
[07:21] <apj> deinstall?
[07:21] <cocol> uninstall
[07:21] <apj> OOo2?
[07:21] <cocol> apt-get remove
[07:22] <apj> apt-get remove OOo?
[07:22] <zyme> linux is so hard :(
[07:22] <cocol> apt-get remove openoffice.org
[07:22] <cocol> apt-get install...
[07:23] <apj> i use openoffice.org2 :)
[07:23] <cocol> no
[07:23] <apj> i have to uninstall oo1.1.x before i install oo2?
[07:23] <apj> right?
[07:23] <cocol> without the 2
[07:23] <apj> ok..
[07:23] <delltony> cocol, no offense but what part of smartmontools supports temp of the cpu
[07:24] <delltony> this is for storage devices aka smart codes
[07:24] <cocol> smartctl -P show /dev/hda
[07:25] <zyme> BULLDOZER WANTS TO MAKE FILE
[07:25] <zyme> BULLDOZER BECOMES KILLDOZER
[07:25] <delltony> again /dev/hda is a harddrive my friend
[07:25] <delltony> not a cpu
[07:25] <cocol> but it check the temp also
[07:25] <delltony> right of the harddrive
[07:25] <cg0def> can someone help me with some configuration problem with gcc
[07:25] <delltony> not of the cpu
[07:25] <cg0def> pls
[07:26] <cocol> thats all i know about smart
[07:26] <delltony> thats fine there was an applet that showed the heat and all but i forget what its called
[07:27] <cocol> kgrellm?
[07:27] <delltony> aww thats it
[07:27] <cocol> apt-get install kgrellm
[07:27] <delltony> i did its not in there
[07:28] <cocol> google it
[07:28] <delltony> its gkrellm :)
[07:29] <cocol> lol
[07:35] <YankDownUnder> Mmmm....Firefox 1.0.1 is out....
[07:35] <zyme> i cant install it though :(
[07:35] <YankDownUnder> What's so hard about getting the graphical installer and doing it that way?
[07:38] <cocol> nybody succeeded in installing FF1.0.1?
[07:41] <peloverde> Is the gtk+ fsd being slow and crashy a known issue in hoary?
[07:43] <sladen> fsd?
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the directory that has links to startup services?
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> and to disable them should i delete the links, or chmod them?
[07:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> full screen display i assume
[07:46] <peloverde> there it went
[07:48] <cbgb> i want to install kde does anyone have any idea?
[07:49] <Pluk> yay just wrote my own firewall
[07:49] <thoreauputic> cbgb: enable the universe repository in synaptic, reload, install
[07:50] <lunatech> how can i know which ubuntu i am running ?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> lunatech: cat /etc/issue
[07:51] <raghu> cbgb: apt-get install kde.....after implementing thoreauputic idea
[07:51] <lunatech> thanks thoreauputic
[07:52] <thoreauputic> hmm cbgb didn't hang around long enough foe an answer :/
[07:52] <thoreauputic> lunatech: no problem :)
[07:55] <monoxide> is there any known problems with SSL and hoary?
[07:55] <monoxide> or is it just my crappy internet connection?
[08:01] <geargolem> hello e'rbody
[08:02] <geargolem> can anyone recommend a good video compression utility?
[08:02] <PoW> Has anyone gotten their Audigy 2 soundcard to work with hoary yet?
[08:02] <stuNNed_> PoW: yep
[08:03] <PoW> How?
[08:03] <stuNNed_> PoW: pretty much just works really
[08:03] <PoW> both ASLA and OSS are screwed
[08:03] <stuNNed_> PoW: try gnome-alsamixer
[08:03] <PoW> yeah
[08:03] <PoW> its dead
[08:03] <PoW> shoots out errors
[08:04] <PoW> both oss and asla
[08:10] <stuNNed_> how's hoary updates today?
[08:13] <BiteMeBill> WOW I didn't know there was an ubuntu-love channel.
[08:13] <thoreauputic> hmm..nasty phishing vulnerability in firefox 1.0
[08:13] <thoreauputic> http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_idn_spoofing_test/
[08:13] <thoreauputic> other browsers too
[08:13] <monoxide> if i update my kernel can i remove old versions of the kernel?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> monoxide: you can, but most people don't bother
[08:14] <BiteMeBill> monoxide: it wise to leave at least one older copy on your system.
[08:15] <thoreauputic> monoxide: nothing wrong with doing itthough
[08:15] <monoxide> just that my grub list is getting fairly crowded with 3 versions of the 386 kernel and 1 verion of the k7 kernel
[08:15] <monoxide> plus the recovery version of each
[08:15] <thoreauputic> monoxide: you can delete the entries from the menu.lst
[08:16] <monoxide> yea, but then is there any point in keeping them?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> not really
[08:16] <thoreauputic> monoxide: you can nuke them if you wish
[08:16] <monoxide> didnt think so... i was just wondering :)
[08:16] <aminal> what do I have in ubuntu for module configuration?
[08:17] <monoxide> also, whoever told me to update to the k7 kernel has fixed my hdd boot problem :)
[08:17] <BiteMeBill> If the regular kernal gets AFU would the recovery kernel entry still be operatoinal?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> monoxide: having a "known good" spare is always comforting though ;)
[08:18] <aminal> thoreauputic: is there anything like modconf for ubuntu?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> aminal: doesn't appear to be  - I was just checking
[08:20] <aminal> I need to stop framebuffers from loading, how would I do that?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> there's modinfo modprobe...blah blah but no modconf that I can find
[08:20] <aminal> vesafb
[08:21] <monoxide> yea... is it possible to keep the 2.6.8-386 kernel but disable it from updateing it?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> aminal: I seem to recall you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and say "no" to the framebuffer question (that's from a dpkg factoid in #debian and I may have it wrong)
[08:22] <monoxide> i dont use the -plow, but yea thats worked for me
[08:22] <thoreauputic> monoxide: the kernel is only upgraded with a dist-upgrade - apt-get upgrade should leave it alone
[08:23] <monoxide> i usually use dist-upgrade... :P
[08:23] <thoreauputic> monoxide: dist-upgrade seems to include the kernel in ubuntu
[08:23] <thoreauputic> in debian I don't think it does
[08:24] <thoreauputic> in fact I'm pretty sure in debian you have to  specify any new kernels you install
[08:24] <monoxide> yes, but there are some interesting package setups there.... linux-386 will update to the latest 386 kernel.
[08:25] <thoreauputic> yes
[08:25] <monoxide> what if you removed linux-386 but not the actual kernel package ( linux-image-x.x.x-386 )?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> I assume if you've installed a 686 kernel the update will be a 686 kernel (haven't tried it)
[08:26] <BiteMeBill> thoreauputic: whats the modules.conf in /etc/?  wouldn't that be the modconf?
[08:26] <monoxide> and linux-k7 will update the k7 kernel etc
[08:26] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: I don't know - I've only ever used modprobe and /etc/modules
[08:27] <BiteMeBill> thoreauputic: I just did a find of *mod* and was looking.
[08:28] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: I actually don't know the function of modules.conf - once you identify the module and modprobe works, putting it in /etc/modules seems to activate it on boot
[08:29] <BiteMeBill> ok
[08:31] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: actually if you do a `less /etc/modules.conf` the comments say not to edit it (it's automatically generated)
[08:31] <BiteMeBill> thoreauputic: Yea I was just looking at that.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: heh - reading comments in config files can be quite educational - I should do it more often ;)
[08:33] <BiteMeBill> Hmm  redhat isn't even showing a modconf but there is a modules.conf
[08:33] <monoxide> BiteMeBill, man modules.conf
[08:34] <monoxide> i believe its the config file for modules, but i also heard that you should leave it alone unless you *REALLY* know what your doing
[08:34] <subterrific> you should never edit it
[08:36] <subterrific> you edit /etc/modules or /etc/modutils/*
[08:36] <GammaRay> if you have to edit it you should break an egg over a chicken while yelling "fire" to ward off any bad spirits
[08:36] <BiteMeBill> Guess I will wait long time before I play in there.  LOL
[08:36] <subterrific> and then run update-modules to generate /etc/modules.conf
[08:36] <BrianAnthony> how would I stop vesafb from loading? it's causing my X to crash the whole system
[08:37] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: that's interestig - i was told the sacrifice of a couple of virgins was required ;-)
[08:37] <subterrific> oh man, i can hardly stay in my chair
[08:37] <subterrific> comedy genius
[08:38] <Ins4ne>      ??
[08:38] <Ins4ne> :)
[08:38] <thoreauputic> subterrific: you left out the <sarcasm> tags ?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> ;)
[08:38] <GammaRay> or maybe diarrhea
[08:38] <BrianAnthony> is there an easy way to disable frame buffers?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> funny you should mention that...
[08:39] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: I'm aminal =P
[08:40] <BrianAnthony> With framebuffers, it's causing everything to die a horirble death
[08:40] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: I thought we discussed this - the command I suggested didn't work?
[08:41] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: I have ATI drivers set up specificaly, if I do a dpkg-reconfigure, I lose the configuration =/
[08:41] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: ah - no you don't - the problem is if you edited the file manually nothing will happen
[08:42] <OrangeSlice> what, nobody welcomes me back? :p
[08:42] <bascule> bribe the bot :P
[08:42] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: I used nano to change some settings. so your'e saying dpkg-reconfigure won't mess it up?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: Debian respects your hand editing, but then the config tool will no longer do as expected
[08:42] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: it just won't work any more
[08:43] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: so it won't disable framebuffering?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> dpkg-reconfigure
[08:43] <thoreauputic> no it won't
[08:43] <thoreauputic> you will probably have to rake through the config file and find the relevant lines
[08:44] <eikke> hija
[08:44] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: is there a section on framebuffers in the XF86Config file?
[08:45] <eikke> when upgrading linux-image, mkinitrd errors out because /dev/hdc1 is no block device, which is true. I installed ubuntu on hdc, then moved the hard drive, so its on hdb now. How to tell thisd to ubuntu?
[08:45] <Pluk> This is the port you are using to communicate to our Web Server. A firewall that uses Stateful Packet Inspection will show a 'BLOCKED' result for this port.  nice! :)
[08:45] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: I have no idea, sorry - I'd have a look if I were you (i never needed to do it)
[08:45] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: my knowledge is limited to personal experience
[08:46] <thoreauputic> eikke: oh dear...
[08:46] <jief255> can somebody help me my x server dont want to start
[08:47] <monoxide> BrianAnthony, man XF86Config
[08:47] <eikke> thoreauputic: what? :p
[08:47] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: where can I find where the modules load? so I can disable it from loading vesafb?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> eikke: well, sounds like you've confused your Ubuntu dreadfully ;-)
[08:48] <monoxide> eikke, boot into the live cd, mount /dev/hdb to a local area, then go to /path/to/hdb/etc/fstab and change /dev/hdc to /dev/hdb
[08:48] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: again, I don't know the answer, sorry
[08:48] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: oh, alright.
[08:48] <eikke> monoxide: it boots ok caus I only got one partition (/), and editted my grub config correctly
[08:48] <eikke> nice catch about fstab, forgot to edit it :s
[08:49] <monoxide> ;)
[08:49] <BrianAnthony> Could anyone elese tell me where I can disable modules? =/
[08:49] <lunatech> i want to install quiteinsane , but i get "Depends: gocr but it is not going to be installed"
[08:49] <monoxide> i had trouble with fstab without it booting, i needed to use the live cd to fix it... :/
[08:49] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: a stab in the dark would be to see if the module is in /etc/modules
[08:51] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: ah - you could put the module in /etc/hotplug/blacklist I think
[08:51] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: that should stop it loading
[08:59] <jk24> Hi
[09:00] <thoreauputic> hi
[09:00] <jk24> anybody running ilnux-image-2.6.11 ?
[09:00] <jk24> linux-image-2.6.11
[09:00] <thoreauputic> I'm sure someone is ;-)
[09:00] <thoreauputic> somewhere...
[09:00] <membreya> thoreauputic: ...don't you ever leave :P
[09:00] <monoxide> im using 2.6.10
[09:01] <Chipzz> I'm sure anyone who is is at leats mildly on crack ;)
[09:01] <pepsi> hrm
[09:01] <pepsi> 2.6.11 eh
[09:01] <thoreauputic> membreya: i'm not really here - it's a figment of your imagination ;)
[09:01] <membreya> aren't you all :P
[09:01] <monoxide> 2.6.11 == unstable release?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> membreya: BTW was that a not-so-subtle hint ? *grin*
[09:02] <ompaul> it just don't make sense to me
[09:02] <thoreauputic> ompaul: yeah but you just aren't a 1337 |-|4xx0r
[09:02] <thoreauputic> ;)
[09:02] <membreya> it was actually my way of saying g'day :)
[09:02] <monoxide> ompaul, i use the latest stable versions
[09:03] <membreya> thoreauputic: get with the times..it's 37337 :)
[09:03] <monoxide> except im on hoary, but thats prity stable
[09:03] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - OK
[09:03] <membreya> stupid real player not working on stupid amd64 >:(
[09:04] <membreya> lolz0r!
[09:04] <jk24> pepsi: you're running 2.6.11 ? did your mouse slow-down when you switched to it ?
[09:04] <pepsi> im not running it
[09:04] <spacepopeye> How is real supported in linux?
[09:04] <T|-|0re4upu7|c> membreya: d00d, I'm s0000 13337
[09:05] <spacepopeye> Well/not at all?
[09:05] <membreya> spacepopeye: ...its just not supported for the a64 arch
[09:05] <m0n0x1d3> spacepopeye, you mean real media? mplayer plays them fine
[09:05] <spinifex> hey ubuntu guys.  An update a while ago made it so I can't use synaptic or the network manager anymore.  I launch them, and it shows the "starting .." thing on the taskbar, but then it just disappears
[09:05] <lunatech> i wanted to use some packages from hoary
[09:06] <lunatech> in warty that is
[09:06] <nn3nnbR3-> damn you!
[09:06] <nn3nnbR3y4> :D
[09:06] <spinifex> any advice as to why this would happen?  I'm using hoary
[09:06] <lunatech> will adding the hoary repo to the warty's sources.list cause a problem ?
[09:06] <nn3nnbR3y4> <l33tz0r!
[09:07] <spinifex> I can still use apt-get, of course, but how can I enable my wireless connection without the network configurator?
[09:07] <lunatech> spinifex, try launching synaptic from a terminal
[09:07] <thoreauputic> nn3nnbR3y4 pwns !
[09:08] <m0n0x1d3> :)
[09:08] <nn3nnbR3y4> :P
[09:08] <nn3nnbR3y4> new episode of lost is down ..doo dah ..doo dah
[09:08] <spinifex> hmm, running synaptic from the terminal works
[09:09] <spinifex> just fine.  Um, how do I launch the network configurator from terminal?
[09:09] <pepsi> network-admin
[09:09] <pepsi> ?
[09:09] <jk24> spinifex: sudo network-admin
[09:09] <lunatech> network-admin
[09:11] <spinifex> cool.  Any reason why it wont launch from the system->administration menu?
[09:11] <spinifex> hey, that changed, used to say desktop
[09:11] <lunatech> is there a multiverse for warty too ?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> lunatech: yes
[09:12] <lunatech> thoreauputic, and it has more packages than the universe ?
[09:13] <nn3nnbR3y4> erm....fakeroot..is there any advantage to that over say sudo'ing?
[09:13] <lunatech> i need to install quitesane
[09:13] <soren9580> is ubuntu a good Unix Distro to use for beginners?
[09:13] <lunatech> soren9580, seems like it
[09:13] <spinifex> yes, very much so
[09:13] <membreya> soren9580: Ive been in it for 2 weeks and I'm doing "ok'ish" :)
[09:13] <spinifex> you will love it
[09:13] <Myrtti> I managed to fuck up my Gnome again
[09:13] <thoreauputic> lunatech: it has "non-free" packages ( beyond the universe, in another dimension perhaps)
[09:13] <soren9580> its not for me
[09:13] <jk24> soren9580: yes, easy to install
[09:13] <soren9580> i'm starting a program at my school to loan unix machines to people who dont have a computer
[09:14] <Myrtti> sorry bout the language, but this is the second time this has happened, and I'm starting to think I'm quite stupid when I keep my repositories at hoary instead of warty
[09:14] <soren9580> and i need to decide on a good distro that will be easy for non-computer people to use
[09:14] <spinifex> well soren, I'm assuming most *nix systems are easy to use once set up properly.  Ubuntu is just much easier to set up, and change software on
[09:14] <membreya> soren9580: FreeBSD? :P
[09:14] <lunatech> thanks for the warning Myrtti , i was about to add hoary into my sources.
[09:15] <thoreauputic> lunatech: quiteinsane appears to exist in the universe...
[09:15] <lunatech> thoreauputic, but it refuses to install
[09:15] <Myrtti> lunatech: it works fine until updating fucks it up
[09:15] <Myrtti> or in my system it does
[09:15] <Myrtti> and I'm again at lost about what to do
[09:15] <lunatech> it wants gocre , which wants libpbm
[09:15] <Myrtti> not to mention that I really don't want to install my system again
[09:16] <soren9580> what do you guys think about something like Xandros or Lycoris in comparision to ubuntu in terms of ease of use
[09:16] <thoreauputic> lunatech: maybe it depends on something in multiverse? Don't know...
[09:16] <membreya> wb fellow aussie :P
[09:16] <monoxide> hmmmmm....
[09:16] <monoxide> ubuntu just froze on me...
[09:16] <monoxide> ty membreya
[09:16] <Myrtti> monoxide: what did you do?
[09:16] <Myrtti> use synaptic?
[09:16] <thoreauputic> soren9580: probably a bit easier, but I haven't looked at them lately
[09:16] <Myrtti> on hoary system?
[09:16] <monoxide> nothing. just crashed
[09:17] <spinifex> soren, does easy use include installing software, upgrading, and/or getting plugins, or just normal use without root priviledges?
[09:17] <monoxide> i was using apt-get, but not looking at it at the time
[09:17] <lunatech> i hope so too thoreauputic, i am installing a scanner for a n00b, don't want to leave her stuck with xscanimage
[09:17] <membreya> monoxide has quit (Read error: 69 (Erection reset by fear))
[09:17] <monoxide> LOL
[09:17] <monoxide> and yes, i am on hoary
[09:18] <Myrtti> I decided to download the updates and booted the system since it's been on for a while
[09:18] <thoreauputic> lunatech: hmm - does the gimp acquire function use xsane?
[09:18] <Myrtti> logged in on gdm, and everything goes ok until the whole gnome-panel has loaded
[09:18] <lunatech> thoreauputic, no
[09:18] <Myrtti> then it crashes
[09:18] <thoreauputic> I mean xscanimage
[09:18] <Myrtti> or freezes
[09:18] <membreya> Myrtti: what kernel?
[09:19] <Myrtti> hell if I know :-)
[09:19] <Myrtti> no wait
[09:19] <membreya> there's a patch out for -4 :)
[09:19] <membreya> Myrtti: cat /proc/version
[09:19] <monoxide> yea, i was in the middle of downloading it :/
[09:19] <Myrtti> 2.6.10-4-386
[09:19] <lunatech> thoreauputic, using a bash script to start xscanimage .. using a usb scanner
[09:19] <thoreauputic> lunatech: gimp appears to want to use Xsane here...
[09:20] <membreya> Myrtti: do a sudo apt-get update
[09:20] <membreya> and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:20] <spinifex> oh my, I clicked on search in synaptic and it crashed!
[09:20] <lunatech> thoreauputic, if you install the sane package, gimp will give you an option of xscanimage
[09:20] <spinifex> (synaptic:7921): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_draw_pixbuf: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed
[09:20] <spinifex> Gtk-ERROR **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 2447 (gtk_container_propagate_expose): assertion failed: (child->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container))
[09:20] <spinifex> aborting...
[09:21] <Myrtti> membreya: sorry if I'm sceptic, but I hope you're right
[09:21] <membreya> :D
[09:21] <membreya> otherwise flick back to -3 till 2.6.11 is properly released :)
[09:21] <spinifex> I get quite a few gdk/gtk errors.  What could be  the problem with this?
[09:21] <membreya> and it's skeptic...not sceptic :P
[09:22] <membreya> spinifex: were you holding your tongue the right way? :P
[09:22] <spinifex> tongue?
[09:22] <membreya> nm
[09:22] <membreya> no monoxide..you're septic :P
[09:22] <monoxide> err...
[09:22] <thoreauputic> membreya: hmm... sceptic is in the OED old boy
[09:23] <membreya> noooooooooooo!
[09:23] <membreya> damn you and your pedantry!
[09:23] <spinifex> before a recent upgrade I got GTK errors whenever I ran gournal
[09:23] <spinifex> is this just an issue with hoary, or what?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> membreya: BA Eng Lit (Hons)  hehe
[09:24] <membreya> ooo mr man has letters after his name :P
[09:24] <thoreauputic> :0
[09:24] <membreya> BA = bullshit artist? (im being facetious.. I know what it is :P)
[09:24] <thoreauputic> membreya: yeah, that pretty much sums it up ;)
[09:24] <Myrtti> membreya: sorry, not my native language, and I started to apt-get upgrade, so my console lags a bit... or ie. ssh to my shell provider where I run irssi on screen
[09:24] <monoxide> an english major that is a computer person? :/
[09:24] <Myrtti> and besides, I'm a bit pissed off
[09:25] <Myrtti> monoxide: not unusual
[09:25] <membreya> have you tried it yet Myrtti ? :P
[09:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: to be even more of an artist I have Adv.Dip, (Fine Arts) as well ;-)
[09:25] <Myrtti> tried what?
[09:25] <membreya> thoreauputic: gawd you may as well major in philosophy :P
[09:25] <membreya> the update numnutz
[09:26] <thoreauputic> membreya: working on it mate...
[09:26] <monoxide> Myrtti, i am horrible at english
[09:26] <Myrtti> membreya: see above, at :24
[09:26] <membreya> thoreauputic: do they offer a personal grooming course? :P
[09:26] <monoxide> i got an E in english last year.... :/
[09:26] <thoreauputic> membreya: haha - I failed that one miserably
[09:26] <Myrtti> I got an E on my final test on high school too, but that means a bit different thing here in Finland
[09:26] <monoxide> lol
[09:27] <Myrtti> it means Eximia Cum Laude Approbatur
[09:27] <Myrtti> the second best there is
[09:27] <monoxide> very good?
[09:27] <Myrtti> very good
[09:27] <Myrtti> but it was years ago
[09:27] <Myrtti> 1998 fall
[09:27] <membreya> hehe Myrtti ..you cum laude :P
[09:28] <membreya> curse you and your puns latin! curse youuuuuuu!
[09:28] <Myrtti> membreya: if it's possible for a woman to do that...
[09:28] <monoxide> here, an E in english means round 20% of your marks for the year down the drain...
[09:28] <membreya> ooooh a chick in the room....stacks on!
[09:28] <membreya> adam..your immaturity is showing
[09:28] <Myrtti> membreya: wonder that you haven't done /whois on me and then tried google
[09:28] <monoxide> lol
[09:28] <Myrtti> might help
[09:29] <Myrtti> ok, now boot
[09:29] <Myrtti> keep your fingers crossed
[09:29] <monoxide> explains the good marks tho... ;)
[09:30] <membreya> oi... I'm Victorian, not Taswegian
[09:30] <aj> only one head then?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> membreya: the Yarra breeds strange mutations...
[09:30] <monoxide> hehe
[09:33] <membreya> checking the sheep dip? time for your monthly bath already thoreauputic ?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> membreya: which month is it?
[09:34] <membreya> just remember you're about to take bath #2 thoreauputic
[09:34] <ions> I guess there are no gtk audio CD burning apps in the Ubuntu repos eh?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> membreya: saves water - ecologically sound
[09:35] <membreya> thoreauputic: the negative side is come bath time you're so oily the water just runs off :P
[09:35] <thoreauputic> ions: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/  << debs for gnomebaker
[09:36] <ions> ah cool
[09:36] <ions> thanks
[09:36] <spinifex> *pokes people*  Hey when ubuntu starts up it always sets my volume to maximum and it's really annoying cuz someone will IM me and it makes the sound all really loud and people stare at me.  How can I make it start up at a lower volume, or muted would be alright?
[09:36] <membreya> turn your speakers off
[09:36] <spinifex> I can't
[09:36] <thoreauputic> membreya: I sell the oil to BP, --- keeps me in hardware and food
[09:36] <spinifex> it's hardware
[09:36] <spinifex> I mean, it's a laptop with no hardware control for the speakers
[09:37] <membreya> great repo there thoreauputic ...hoary is empty :P good thing I compiled it myself
[09:37] <membreya> yup me!
[09:37] <spinifex> I could turn off the IM sounds if there was a way to make the taskbar flash when I recieve a message...
[09:37] <spinifex> (this is gaim)
[09:37] <membreya> spinifex: you can
[09:37] <membreya> well it flashes in the notify tray
[09:38] <spinifex> only if you tell it to hold back your messages..  and that's not very noticable
[09:38] <membreya> is if you're looking :)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - you're right: i didn't notice as I have warty
[09:38] <membreya> easy solution spinifex, don't have friends
[09:38] <spinifex> bah
[09:38] <membreya> warty is SOOOOOOO passe!
[09:38] <flax> hello, i want to setup ubuntu linux as a primary domain controller with samba and ldap,.. since i couldnt find any information of how to do this on ubuntu, im now writing my own document after which i want to make a script for doing this on ubuntu
[09:39] <flax> current document: http://nergens.org/projects/samba/samba_ldap_pdc_ubuntu-hoary-1.sxw
[09:39] <thoreauputic> membreya: warty is s000000000 much stabler !
[09:39] <membreya> stable schmable..you running a mission critical server there thoreauputic ?
[09:39] <flax> where do i have to be in the ubuntu to start somekinda project for this? since i dont know anything about it; and i would like to make something what others can also use
[09:40] <spinifex> is there any way to make it flash the taskbar in gnome?  Or set the volume level on startup?
[09:40] <thoreauputic> membreya: I don't enjoy freeze ups and editing menu.lst files (lazy)
[09:40] <Myrtti> membreya: THANKS A GAZILLION TIMES
[09:40] <membreya> thoreauputic: your projection to people of your personal image gives that one away
[09:40] <membreya> Myrtti: it worked?
[09:40] <Myrtti> or whoever it was
[09:40] <Myrtti> it dit
[09:40] <Myrtti> did
[09:40] <membreya> cool :)
[09:40] <spinifex> oo  *tries something*
[09:41] <Myrtti> now, I'm off to school, time to study Ciscos CCNA3 again
[09:41] <membreya> yummy...CCNA :)
[09:41] <Myrtti> winter holiday starts today \o/
[09:41] <membreya> Myrtti: what you studying to become? (what level cisco engineer?)
[09:41] <thoreauputic> membreya: you're majoring in psychology? *g*
[09:41] <Myrtti> membreya: a true "slit-your-wrists-up-and-hope-noone-will-find-you-in-time" experience
[09:42] <membreya> thoreauputic: I'm a sociopath..I'm born to study people :)
[09:42] <Myrtti> membreya: BBA on economics, major in computer sciences and hopefully in programming, to be more precise
[09:42] <thoreauputic> membreya: haha - OK chalk one up yo you there :)
[09:42] <Myrtti> but now, time to go
[09:42] <thoreauputic> *to you
[09:42] <membreya> ciao ciao Myrtti :)
[09:42] <Myrtti> ta-ta
[09:42] <spinifex> heheh, UCSC is on slashdot for the post-it-note thing
[09:45] <monoxide> can anyone help me with my sound problems? mplayer keeps saying the sound devices are busy, and several programs just crash because of it.
[09:47] <monoxide> what?
[09:48] <spinifex> look for the process called esd and kill it
[09:50] <monoxide> ps aux | grep esd didnt return anything
[09:51] <membreya> hrm
[09:52] <membreya> how do you get samba to start at boot?
[09:52] <spinifex> hm, then try running esd and doing your stuff
[09:53] <delltony> i see array six has been changed to the 28th instead of the 24th was fixing to ask when array 6 was coming out :)
[09:53] <spinifex> some programs require it to be running, some require it to be dead.  Mostly media players want it running and games want it dead, I think, but since it runs be default I assumed you'd need the opposite
[09:53] <spinifex> s/be/by/
[09:54] <monoxide> esd closed itself
[09:54] <spinifex> closed itself?
[09:54] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # esd
[09:54] <spinifex> you type esd and it makes a boopbeepledeep sound.  then you run mplayer
[09:54] <monoxide> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew #
[09:55] <spinifex> I don't think you need to be root to run esd
[09:55] <bascule> you are running it as root? Then the apps need root priveleges to connect to it...
[09:55] <monoxide> it didnt make any sound
[09:55] <spinifex> whois monoxide
[09:55] <spinifex> oops
[09:55] <bascule> as root killall esd
[09:56] <spinifex> try running it as the same user as the media player you're running
[09:56] <bascule> the start it as normal user
[09:56] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ esd
[09:56] <monoxide> main.c: read() failed: No such file or directory
[09:56] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $
[09:56] <spinifex> main.c?
[09:56] <bascule> well that is an app bug
[09:56] <membreya> how do you get samba to start at boot??? :(
[09:56] <delltony> ok one thing im curious to know where can i check or what command can i issue to check what hoary array i'm running i know its 5 but just wondering if there is a command to runt o check
[09:56] <spinifex> o.o
[09:57] <flax> is there in the ubuntu community a way to start new things? Where can i find participants who want to join to make a document / eventualla a script that configures samba as PDC with LDAP?
[09:57] <monoxide> esd wont run
[09:58] <monoxide> membreya, it should by standard
[09:58] <membreya> monoxide: nope...everytime I boot I have to sudo /etc/init.d/samba start before my girlfriend can access my shared directories
[09:58] <spinifex> try updating?  =\  under system->preferences-> sound there shound be options for it
[09:59] <monoxide> so what should i do?
[09:59] <spinifex> "enable sound server startup" makes ESD start on boot
[09:59] <monoxide> really? mine starts at boot time
[10:00] <monoxide> spinifex, that is enabled
[10:00] <spinifex> hmm, dunno what's wrong with your ESD then.  Is it current?
[10:01] <monoxide> well there is an update for polypaudio, which im downloading amongst other updates, but im on dialup.... so its gonna take a while
[10:02] <spinifex> alright, good luck
[10:02] <monoxide> yea, thanks... i think il need it... it a nuisance tho, iv had to play my music via samba on my winXP machine...
[10:03] <spinifex> what's the best place to put aliases I want to apply to all accounts on startup?
[10:03] <monoxide> ever since updating to hoary a week or two ago.
[10:03] <bascule> membreya: chmod +x /etc/init.d/samba
[10:03] <spinifex> /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh doesn't appear to do it
[10:04] <bascule> /etc/profile
[10:04] <bascule> careful though
[10:04] <spinifex> careful of what?
[10:04] <membreya> bascule: chmod was fine :| got my stumped
[10:04] <membreya> oh well
[10:04] <bascule> adding broken things
[10:04] <membreya> going to kill my system
[10:05] <prego> morning. In hoary nautilus does not show the SMB browsing. What am I missing? that was one of the good points of Warty (IMHO)...
[10:05] <tolstoy_> monoxide, not sure if it'll help, but did you try using the media selector and changing from esd to oss?
[10:05] <membreya> when ubuntu is finally released  and I get a 200gb sata drive
[10:06] <monoxide> tolstoy_, i have tryied esd, alsa and oss. no luck
[10:06] <bascule> what tranfer rates do you actually get on an SATA?
[10:06] <monoxide> esd crashes beep, alsa and oss freeze it
[10:07] <monoxide> bascule, no idea what the stats for it, but i have noticed the difference by a fair bit
[10:07] <bascule> k
[10:07] <monoxide> takeing a guess.... 125-150% better than IDE?
[10:07] <bascule> wow, that is worth it, probably
[10:07] <Pluk> nah
[10:07] <Pluk> its just the interface thats changed
[10:08] <bascule> Pluk: what is your guess?
[10:08] <membreya> i like it for the thin cables :P
[10:08] <Pluk> current sata wowness is just marketing
[10:08] <membreya> plus hotplugging
[10:08] <membreya> SATA is 150mb/s
[10:08] <bascule> yeah assuming not raptors or anything that prricey
[10:08] <membreya> highest IDE goes is 133
[10:08] <membreya> but as usual
[10:08] <bascule> SATA is theoretically 150MB/s
[10:08] <monoxide> if you are getting a new comp, then yea it is. but if your gonna replace your current harddrive then not really
[10:08] <membreya> that's burst speed
[10:08] <Pluk> membreya,  max transfer rate of the interface is 150
[10:08] <membreya> IIRC sata can sustain 100
[10:08] <Pluk> the disks are still the the same as with pata
[10:09] <bascule> except raptors?
[10:09] <membreya> raptors rock :)
[10:09] <membreya> but uber expensive
[10:09] <bascule> OK
[10:09] <membreya> Pluk: what about SATA II?
[10:09] <Pluk> 36gb though
[10:09] <Pluk> sataII will make a diff with NCQ
[10:09] <monoxide> i definently noticed the difference in a reallife teset
[10:09] <membreya> 36gb is supposed to be a rattle trap
[10:09] <bascule> so that is just a SCSI with an SATA connector
[10:10] <bascule> lol
[10:10] <Pluk> i get 55mb/sec btw with hdparm
[10:10] <Pluk> but i didnt buy the raptor for transfer speeds
[10:10] <Pluk> accestimes are pretty good with it
[10:10] <membreya> hdparm gives me 30mb/s :|
[10:11] <Pluk> my 120gb pata gives 44mb/sec
[10:11] <bascule> mine is about that too
[10:11] <membreya> im using 120gb wd SATA w/8mb cache :|
[10:11] <Myrtti> there, at school
[10:12] <Pluk> thats a pretty sucky speed membreya :S no offence
[10:12] <membreya> not kidding pluk
[10:12] <Pluk> lol
[10:12] <membreya> but my nforce3 isn't support natively in the kernel right now
[10:12] <Pluk> nforce3 here too
[10:12] <membreya> hmmmmm grrrr
[10:13] <monoxide> does the drive need to be unmounted to be able to use hdparm?
[10:13] <membreya> any tweaks you're running on linux Pluk ?
[10:13] <membreya> monoxide: it just takes a bit to start :)
[10:13] <Pluk> only a custom kernel
[10:13] <Pluk> but the stock gives me about the same speeds if a remeber well
[10:14] <monoxide> how do i check the speed?
[10:14] <membreya> sudo hdparm -t /dev/xxx :)
[10:14] <Pluk> membreya, hdparm -i /dev/hda
[10:14] <membreya> oh -i :)
[10:14] <Pluk> check for udma modes
[10:14] <Pluk> mine has *udma5
[10:15] <Pluk> whats urs?
[10:15] <membreya> lba = no piomode=pio0
[10:15] <membreya> >:(
[10:15] <membreya> same as I can't enable DMA on my dvd drive
[10:15] <monoxide> udma4 on IDE
[10:15] <bascule> nforce3 boy, I remember .. ah well :(
[10:15] <Pluk> sorry speeds indeed is hdparm -t /dev/xxx
[10:16] <monoxide> ohhh... -i on my sata drive is near empty...
[10:16] <membreya> grrr why the @#@!@%@ isn't dma enabled on my drives..or more udma
[10:16] <membreya> what mobo Pluk ?
[10:16] <membreya> and you did NOTHING to the kernel? :(
[10:16] <Pluk> shuttle barebone
[10:17] <membreya> epox amd64
[10:17] <thoreauputic> hmm udma5 by default. Interesting.
[10:18] <membreya> someone copy and paste the line for udma :P
[10:18] <thoreauputic> UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[10:18] <thoreauputic> asterisk is current setting
[10:18] <membreya> nope, all i have is the line for pio
[10:19] <bascule> membreya: nforce3?
[10:19] <spinifex> hmm, well I got it to say MESSAGE in place of the normal text when I recieve something in gaim, but it's still not very noticable.  Why can't gnome flash the taskbar?
[10:19] <membreya> it's between IORDY and AdvancePM?
[10:19] <Pluk> membreya, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[10:19] <membreya> bascule: yup nforce3 250
[10:19] <membreya> Pluk: SATA
[10:19] <membreya> can't d1 it
[10:19] <bascule> and the drivers are in?
[10:19] <membreya> and hda is my dvd drive :)
[10:19] <Pluk> ah i understood you had pata
[10:19] <membreya> bascule: using sata_nv as the module
[10:19] <Myrtti> I'll return to my normal channels and leave you enthusiastics here
[10:19] <Myrtti> tata
[10:19] <Pluk> :)
[10:19] <membreya> ciao
[10:20] <Pluk> toedels
[10:20] <prego> let's try it again....
[10:20] <prego> morning. In hoary nautilus does not show the SMB browsing. What am I missing? that was one of the good points of Warty (IMHO)...
[10:20] <Pluk> membreya, in your bios is sata in legacy mode?
[10:20] <membreya> hmmmm possibly no
[10:21] <Pluk> some motherboards you can set sata to behave like ide
[10:21] <membreya> brb then
[10:22] <monoxide> IDE1: 20.46MB/s    IDE2: screwed up my system for a while?    SATA: 35.14MB/s
[10:22] <thoreauputic> monoxide: hmm 42 MB/sec here on IDE
[10:23] <justino> u
[10:23] <justino> can any one tell me how to map a drive?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> justino: I think you mean "mount"
[10:24] <justino> yip
[10:24] <justino> this is all new to me...
[10:24] <thoreauputic> mount -t <filetype> /dev/hdX /mnt/yourdirectory
[10:24] <thoreauputic> actually that needs a sudo in front as well
[10:25] <spinifex> do you really need the type?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> e.g. sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winXP
[10:25] <thoreauputic> spinifex: not usually
[10:26] <thoreauputic> spinifex: unless it's something that isn't in fstab and has an odd fs
[10:26] <justino> and i do this from the root terminal or just the terminal?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> eg mount -t nfs
[10:26] <scizzo> morning everyone
[10:26] <spinifex> I had a weird problem with using a fat32 partition on debian.  I moved some files onto it, but I couldn't see them from windows.  People told me to chkdsk, which I did, and it horribly mutilated the files and made tons of crap in that directory
[10:27] <thoreauputic> justino: it's actually better to change /etc/fstab so a normal user can mount stuff
[10:27] <prego> spinifex, in my Hoary now tries ext2 prior to ext3, so if you have an ext3 filesystem you have to pass the ext3 type as an option otherwise it is mounted as ext2 :-(
[10:27] <justino> excuse my ignorance thor but dont know where or how to change that
[10:27] <spinifex> what happens if you mount and it guesses the wrong type?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> justino: understandable :)
[10:28] <justino> plus i am running this thru vmware - will that have an impact on mounting?
[10:28] <prego> spinifex, but it still mounts afterall?
[10:28] <spinifex> yes
[10:28] <thoreauputic> justino: the file is /etc/fstab and you can look at it in a terminal by typing for instance ` less /etc/fstab `
[10:29] <prego> spinifex, bad news I guess
[10:29] <thoreauputic> without the backquotes...
[10:29] <membreya> hrm
[10:29] <prego> justino: is vmware on?????
[10:29] <spinifex> the time it mutilated my files, I hadn't specified a partition type
[10:29] <membreya> still no different
[10:29] <membreya> but I couldnt find an option for legacy
[10:29] <membreya> only DMA and block mode
[10:30] <lunatech> is there any harm is shuttin down rsyncd, postfix, ntpdate and fam daemons ?
[10:30] <prego> spinifex, that might be the clue
[10:30] <lunatech> these are started by default, don't want them running
[10:30] <prego> lunatech, probably not
[10:30] <justino> preggo: yes
[10:30] <lunatech> cool , thanks prego
[10:30] <prego> lunatech, hoewever fam is interesting if you are using gnome
[10:30] <spinifex> heh, from now on I'll copy rather than move across filesystems, regardless of how big the file is
[10:31] <lunatech> good point prego, i will leave it running
[10:31] <prego> lunatech, otherwise if you change a file from outside nautilus you will have to refresh the view
[10:31] <monoxide> why would hdparm -t /dev/hdb muck up my comp for a while?
[10:31] <monoxide> there is only one partition mapped to /home/
[10:31] <lunatech> prego, any ideas why rsyncd is running ?
[10:31] <prego> lunatech, rsyncd is totaly unnecessary for normal use
[10:31] <membreya> but my dmesg says "ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/133"
[10:31] <prego> lunatech, If I want to rsync, I use ssh
[10:31] <thoreauputic> monoxide: hdparm can do funny things to your hard drive I believe
[10:32] <Pluk> it can even harm
[10:32] <prego> lunatech, probably rsyncd is running since you installed the package? I don't know
[10:32] <Pluk> membreya, isnt that your cdrom?
[10:32] <lunatech> cool , thanks prego
[10:33] <prego> justino, AFAIK I woudl not mount a filesystem already being in use by vmware
[10:33] <monoxide> does linux have a chkdsk equivalent?
[10:33] <prego> monoxide, fsck.ext3 for instance?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> fsck?
[10:34] <membreya> Pluk: members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/dmesg.txt
[10:34] <membreya> monoxide: reboot 30 times :)
[10:34] <lunatech> is the command update-rc.d remove postfix or stop postfix ?
[10:35] <justino> thor: this is what i get "# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[10:35] <justino> #
[10:35] <justino> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[10:35] <justino> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[10:35] <justino> /dev/sda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:35] <justino> /dev/sda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[10:35] <justino> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[10:35] <justino> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto"
[10:36] <thoreauputic> umm... thank you for sharing :/
[10:36] <justino> ;-)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> justino: consider using #flood next time?
[10:37] <justino> i'm considering hitting my head against the wall in frustration
[10:37] <justino> is that not suppsed to be shown to public?
[10:37] <membreya> read it yet Pluk  ? :P
[10:38] <thoreauputic> justino: more than 5 lines or so is considered rather bad form
[10:38] <justino> sorry
[10:38] <thoreauputic> justino: you have only one hard drive partition that I can see in that fstab
[10:39] <thoreauputic> /dev/sda1
[10:39] <spinifex> true, so he couldn't really mount something local
[10:40] <thoreauputic> justino: what were you wanting to mount?
[10:41] <monoxide> fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb
[10:41] <FAST> what is the console command to empty the wastebasket?
[10:41] <Pluk> looks all ok membreya
[10:41] <Pluk> just finished comparing :)
[10:41] <monoxide> i get that for all 5 non / partitions...
[10:41] <thoreauputic> monoxide: don't run fsck on a mounted file system btw
[10:41] <monoxide> infact i get that for my root partition too...
[10:42] <membreya> yet I get  PIO modes:  pio0 >:( and that's it
[10:42] <membreya> gah
[10:42] <membreya> bbiab
[10:42] <thoreauputic> FAST: something like rm -rf .Trash I think
[10:42] <justino> thor:would like to see my files/folders in my 2 local drives as well as shared folders on my network
[10:42] <spinifex> thoreauputic: is it possible he's referring to this: http://helpline.concordia.ca/network/mapping.htm  ?
[10:42] <monoxide> ohhh...
[10:43] <monoxide> well how am i meant to run it then? most of my partitions are of system critical folders...
[10:43] <monoxide> hmmmm....
[10:44] <thoreauputic> spinifex: yes, but isn't windows "mapping" the analogue of *nix "mounting" (eg nfs mounts)
[10:45] <monoxide> thats how i understand it, but tgere are fairly major differences between the two... eg *nix's lack of "drive letters"
[10:46] <thoreauputic> justino: do you know the master/slave relationships for your local drives? eg  if they are /dev/hdb or whatever?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> or /dev/sdX etc
[10:46] <monoxide> which i suppose you can emulate with symlinks at /c/ and /d/ etc
[10:47] <FAST> thanks thoreauputic
[10:47] <thoreauputic> FAST: :) no worries
[10:47] <justino> /dev/hdc
[10:47] <spinifex> wait, he said he's running this through vmware.  Perhaps he wants to access his windows files from it-- then there would be no physical partition for the OS he's coming from, so that hd may be the one to mount
[10:48] <spinifex> hdc is mounted as your cdrom drive
[10:48] <justino> spinifex: they are my windows files
[10:48] <thoreauputic> spinifex: hmm - I don't know anything about vmware - perhaps you can help him
[10:49] <spinifex> I don't either.  I just looked it up in wiki
[10:49] <spinifex> heh, justino, why not just use a liveCD or something?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> spinifex: that partition is ext3 - is this a linux partition he wants? I'm lost at this point
[10:51] <justino> spinifex: trying to get into shares on our server - all running MS
[10:51] <thoreauputic> and /dev/cdrom0 is definitely a CD -ROM
[10:51] <monoxide> what is vmware anyway?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> monoxide: a vitual machine you can run other OS s in
[10:52] <Pluk> monoxide, it emulates pchardware
[10:52] <spinifex> but sda1 is already mounted as root
[10:52] <justino> its a virtual machine
[10:52] <Pluk> works pretty nice
[10:54] <spinifex> oh so that's what you're trying to do.  He wants to access the shared windows drives from linux on vmware, like how he said you'd map a drive in windows.  I don't know how to do this, but I'm sure some of you do
[10:54] <tuxJr_14> hi
[10:54] <monoxide> i downloaded the updates to ESD and still nothing is working
[10:54] <monoxide> maybe its the config for something somewhere?
[10:54] <spinifex> er, I said that ambiguously.  Anyway, the drive he wants to mount is external
[10:55] <Pluk> in vmware easiest way os through networking
[10:55] <Pluk> cuz you dont want to give vmware raw disk access
[10:55] <membreya> Pluk: quick question..do you have S.M.A.R.T enabled in your BIOS?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> sounds like samba is needed then?
[10:56] <Pluk>  dunno membreya
[10:56] <membreya> gah
[10:56] <Pluk> thought yes
[10:57] <spinifex> if anyone knows how to access windows network shared folders from linux, I'd like to hear it too
[10:57] <membreya> hmmm weird
[10:57] <membreya> I just retested my hdparm after disabling block mode
[10:57] <membreya> im getting 50 - 60 mb/s
[10:57] <membreya> but its still pio0
[10:58] <Pluk> hdparm isnt for sata so it could be wrong
[10:58] <Pluk> only thing it can do good oon sata is benchmarking
[10:58] <prego> FAST, probaby sthing like "rm -rf ~/.Trash" but check it twice
[10:58] <justino> thanks for trying to help
[10:59] <Pluk> rm -rf ~/.Trash/*
[10:59] <thoreauputic> prego: where have you been? he asked that like 15 minutes ago ;)
[10:59] <Pluk> some apps dont like haveng the whole trashfolder deleted
[11:04] <FAST> apparently you cant drag images from firefox onto the desktop and save them like that
[11:05] <Pluk> hmmm i can
[11:05] <Pluk> running xfce though
[11:05] <pepsi> just worked for me.. asked if i wanted to link or download, but it popped up behind the browser window
[11:05] <Pluk> dunno if that makes a diff
[11:05] <Pluk> apparently not
[11:05] <FAST> the filename saves right, but the properties of the file say it's a desktop configuration file
[11:06] <FAST> and you can double click it and a warning comes up preventin g you from running/viewing it
[11:06] <FAST> in gnome..
[11:06] <pepsi> dunno
[11:07] <Pluk> can you drag and drop into  folder?
[11:08] <thoreauputic> still shows as a desktop config file
[11:10] <monoxide> alright.... fsck is saying that there is "a bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb" (/dev/hdb is not mounted)
[11:12] <monoxide> its suggestion of "e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hdb" just brings up the same error
[11:13] <monoxide> gnome froze again and i had to reboot and there was a heap of errors on the hdd...
[11:15] <soundsys> hi
[11:16] <soundsys> dunno why yet , g++ gcc and configure are not on the command line, investigating
[11:16] <monoxide> bad $PATH?
[11:17] <thoreauputic> soundsys: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:18] <monoxide> well theres the problem.... /dev/hdb1! :P
[11:18] <soundsys> heh i was just reading that from the faq, trying
[11:19] <soundsys> strange, one would think installing the gcc would do it
[11:19] <spinifex> what is build-essential?
[11:21] <Cube-ness> hey.. tryin gto figure out just whats going wrong.. kernel hangs, sometimes gives panic message or a couple Ooops messages.. how can i get slogs of the problems?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> spinifex: stuff needed for compiling and building
[11:21] <abelli> is it possible to change cursors in hoary?
[11:21] <abelli> thoreauputic: ciao
[11:22] <spinifex> yeah but what stuff?  It says it's just a list.  I already have gcc and g++, and can build things...
[11:22] <monoxide> is anything mission critical stored in /var?
[11:22] <spinifex> what does it really do?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> spinifex: it's a meta-package that pulls other stuff like gcc in
[11:23] <spinifex> oh.  It didn't pull anything when I selected it
[11:23] <thoreauputic> spinifex: so if you already installed what you need, nothing much happens
[11:24] <spinifex> um, alright.  I suppose I could get it anyway for updates' sake.  =p
[11:25] <thoreauputic> spinifex: it's mostly for building debian packages I think, anyway
[11:27] <spinifex> hey, I can make gaim run a command rather than making a sound when I get a message.  Is there any sort of graphical attention-getting command for gnome I could use?  Something like the taskbar flicker in windows
[11:27] <thoreauputic> it depends on the packages it lists - so it's the easy way to get a build environment in one hit
[11:31] <Zindar> spiniflex: gmessage
[11:32] <Zindar> -l
[11:32] <thoreauputic> or install xpenguins and have penguins cascading down the screen when a message arrives *g*
[11:33] <spinifex> heheh
[11:37] <spinifex> heheh..  how do I make this stop..  lol, I don't think the penguins would work out for multiple notifies, and it draws em on the desktop so I might not notice
[11:39] <spinifex> =\  well I gotta sleep now.  gnite ubuntu peeps
[11:39] <thoreauputic> spinifex: heh - yeah you have to kill them or ctrl-c them
[11:39] <spinifex> yeah I killed the penguins, heheh
[11:39] <thoreauputic> spinifex: the ppc version has a control applet
[11:40] <thoreauputic> killall xpenguins !
[11:40] <spinifex> lol.  I'd be surprised that there's no taskbar flash thingy.  *googles*
[11:43] <priest> is the mplayer binary in multiverse working for anyone? i have tried on 3 diffrent boxes and mplayer is broken on alll of them.
[11:43] <ago73> Hi all
[11:44] <ago73> I am having lots of problems with latest 2.6.10-4 kernel on Hoary
[11:44] <ago73> It often hangs
[11:44] <spinifex> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120439   hmm
[11:44] <ago73> And it is logging several MB of timeout errors
[11:45] <spinifex> I don't know how to apply this patch, but it appears to be what I want
[11:45] <ago73> Kernel 2.6.10-3 is fine but not -4
[11:46] <Fajjer> mplayer isn't working for me either, what is wrong?
[11:46] <spinifex> erf gotta sleep.  bye
[11:47] <Kamping_kaiser> no mplayer here. i just goet xmms
[11:47] <Kamping_kaiser> *got
[11:48] <eikke> if I need a package that's in Debian (libpam-smb), how can I get it?
[11:48] <priest> ago73: just -3, or compile a kernel ;)
[11:48] <priest> -j
[11:51] <soundsys> hmm
[11:51] <soundsys> still no configure
[11:51] <soundsys> ./configure gives me permission denied
[11:53] <ago73> priest do you have an idea why this is happening? Did it happen to others as well or am I the only unlucky one
[11:54] <ago73> The syslog is full of (unusual) entries like: process_timeout, do_poll, sys_poll, sys_gettimeofday,__pollwait...
[11:54] <ubuntudave> does anyone know of any reason that setting an essid with iwconfig wouldn't work?
[11:54] <BeTa> Hi, I've already installed 4 ubuntu on i386 (and 1 on PPC) and every i386 WS doesn't stop automatically
[11:54] <BeTa> I need to press 5 seconds (ATX property) on the power button
[11:55] <BeTa> any tip to play w/ APM or things like that ?
[11:56] <ago73> A friend of mine is having problems with grub after a fresh intsall.
[11:56] <ago73> It hangs after "Loading stage 1.5", but no error message
[11:56] <ago73> Any idea?
[12:07] <ago73> Hi again, my pc just hanged, had to do a hard reboot :)
[12:08] <ago73> I posted before a couple of questions on kernel 2.6.10-4 and about grub. If anybody answered could you pls repeat your msg?
[12:09] <ago73> Regarding my haning problems with kernel 2.6.10-6 it seems to be related to gam_server
[12:09] <ago73> I have lots of: scheduling while atomic gam_server
[12:10] <ago73> Then lots of schedulin/poll/timeout errors
[12:10] <ago73> Any idea?
[12:11] <ubuntudave> hey ago
[12:11] <ago73> It only happens with 2.6.10-4 not with 10-3
[12:11] <ago73> Hi ubuntudave
[12:12] <ubuntudave> append "noinotify" to the boot option and it wont happen
[12:12] <ago73> Need some hints here :)
[12:12] <ubuntudave> or rollback to 10-3
[12:12] <ago73> Thx
[12:12] <ubuntudave> check the forums - it's discussed in detail there too
[12:13] <Nermal> anyone know how to install mplayer or libdvdcss2 in hoary ?
[12:13] <membreya> hmmm I upgrade to 2.6.10-3 and nvidia module no longer works :|
[12:13] <Nermal> I've added the nerim ftp sources but it's still not installable :|
[12:14] <ago73> ubuntudave,  I had another Q above on Grub ahnging while loading 1.5, any hint here?
[12:14] <ago73> This is to help a friend who just installed ubuntu
[12:14] <membreya> ubuntudave: I believe they've updated the kernel ..if you do a apt-get upgrade it should fix it
[12:14] <ubuntudave> cool membreya - only got this one today ehe
[12:14] <ubuntudave> ago73, i've no ideas
[12:15] <membreya> so any ideas how I get the nvidia module to load with the new kernel??
[12:15] <membreya> i do a modprobe and it says module not found
[12:15] <membreya> the nvidia.ko is only found under lib modules for -3 kernel
[12:15] <ubuntudave> try uninstalling it / reinstalling it - my only advice i'm afraid :P
[12:16] <membreya> whats the apt-get equivelent of remove all in synaptic?
[12:16] <ubuntudave> having a boring time here trying to get ndiswrapper to want to work with my wlan card =/ to think, it was easier on my laptop!
[12:16] <ubuntudave> membreya, it should auto remove dependencies
[12:17] <membreya> apt-get remove?
[12:17] <mvo> membreya: right click on a package and select "remove"
[12:17] <membreya> mvo: I'm talking about from a console :)
[12:17] <ubuntudave> "sudo apt-get --purge remove <X>"
[12:18] <membreya> cheers :D
[12:18] <ubuntudave> nps
[12:18] <mvo> membreya: oh, this way around :)
[12:32] <ago73> My wirelless card gets switched off periodically. The only way I know to turn on is to use:
[12:32] <ago73> modprobe -r ipw2200 && moprobe ipw2200
[12:33] <ago73> Why is this happening?
[12:33] <ubuntudave> i run ipw2200 on my laptop without such probs ago73 , so afraid i can't help =/
[12:42] <chibifs> I've got.... a VIRUS! :O
[12:44] <bascule> windows?
[12:44] <id_ID> chibifs, what's virus..??
[12:44] <id_ID> do u using linux and got virus..??
[12:45] <chibifs> W32/Magistr.a@MM :/ .. Infected a bit of WINE and some of my .dll codecs. :/
[12:45] <id_ID> chibifs, it's windows virus
[12:45] <chibifs> I'm aware. :D
[12:45] <id_ID> it's can't damaged u'r linux
[12:45] <bascule> chibifs: that was a nasty one, left long enough it corruptet the MBR
[12:46] <bascule> I think it alsao made dektop icons jump away from the mouse ...
[12:46] <chibifs> Hehe. :P
[12:46] <bascule> <-- ex-repeair tech
[12:47] <chibifs> cg.dll in wine. :/
[12:47] <bascule> go to symantec and get a removal tool :))
[12:48] <bascule> wonder if it will work
[12:48] <chibifs> Hehe.. How about I just delete the files? :P
[12:48] <bascule> oooooo =-O
[12:48] <chibifs> You want me to run the removal tool under wine? xD
[12:48] <bascule> yeah, have a go :))
[12:48] <bascule> funny if nothing else
[12:49] <eli> hello?
[12:49] <bascule> hi elli
[12:49] <eli> hello bascule
[12:49] <bascule> eli
[12:49] <bascule> sorry
[12:49] <eli> np
[12:49] <eli> do you amd64?
[12:50] <bascule> not personally
[12:50] <eli> would you know the difference between 'amd64-k8-smp' and 'md64-k8-smp'
[12:51] <eli> or amd64-generic
[12:51] <bascule> no, but I suspect a typo
[12:51] <bascule> smp is multi-pocessor
[12:51] <bascule> processor*
[12:51] <eli> so that would be dual core you mean?
[12:51] <bascule> no, actually more than one proc
[12:52] <eli> oh, ok... thanks :)
[12:52] <eli> then what is k8?
[12:52] <chibifs> amd64. :P
[12:52] <eli> :P
[12:52] <bascule> though the dual-core HT thing is a bit of an argument really as to wether it needs smp or not
[12:52] <bascule> yeah k7 is athlon xp k8 amd64
[12:53] <eli> then is there a difference with amd64-generic or amd64-k8?
[12:53] <chibifs> K6 = Duron, K7 = Athlon, K8 = 64
[12:53] <HiddenWolf> bascule: amd64 /opteron
[12:53] <soundsys> hmm what to do when g++ can't find -luuid and synaptic says it's there :/
[12:53] <Neil3> K7 is also duron
[12:53] <eli> oh
[12:53] <eli> great
[12:53] <bascule> chibifs: I just noticed that mistake, thanks
[12:53] <eli> thanks
[12:53] <Neil3> K6 is K6
[12:53] <chibifs> \
[12:53] <eli> so k8 is the athlon 64 bit
[12:53] <eli> good to hear
[12:53] <chibifs> I thought Duron was a k6? :o
[12:53] <eli> thanks for clearing that up
[12:53] <Neil3> K7 = duron/athlon/athlon xp
[12:53] <bascule> yeah K6 was a funny little 16KB cache thing
[12:53] <chibifs> OH! Thunderbird was k6.
[12:54] <Neil3> tbird is also k7
[12:54] <bascule> yup
[12:54] <Neil3> the k6 series were socket 7
[12:54] <bascule> did tbird have 3dNom! ?
[12:54] <Neil3> yeah
[12:54] <eli> is this vitally important in choosing which linix-restricted modules i install?
[12:54] <Neil3> even the k6-2 has 3dnow
[12:54] <chibifs> Come on.. o_O;.. I swear one of those was in a giant box, and you plugged the box into a long slot. :o
[12:54] <bascule> ah, never knew that
[12:55] <Neil3> yeah the thunderbird, slot a athlon
[12:55] <bascule> chibifs: nah that was p2/3
[12:55] <Neil3> which is k7
[12:55] <Neil3> 7th generation x86 based chip
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> neil3: name me one usefull function that uses 3dnow
[12:55] <chibifs> And all of the processors of the series were the same, and all you had to do to change them was solder some stuff. :O
[12:55] <Neil3> cant think of any in linux
[12:55] <Neil3> but lots of directx games use it
[12:55] <bascule> HiddenWolf: OpenGL
[12:55] <Neil3> and drivers for graphics cards
[12:56] <Neil3> handles lighting stuff or something
[12:56] <StoffBox-Steve> Neil3: take a lock at the Cpuinfo, when you have the Cpu installed :)
[12:56] <bascule> fancy flop stuff I guess
[12:56] <mike__> how do i enable my root user?
[12:56] <Neil3> cat /proc/cpuinfo StoffBox-Steve?
[12:56] <eli> sudo -s
[12:56] <StoffBox-Steve> jap Neil ... sudo cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:57] <Neil3> yep
[12:57] <Neil3> and 3dnow is there
[12:57] <Neil3> along with 3dnowext
[12:57] <Neil3> since this is an athlon xp :)
[12:57] <StoffBox-Steve> my xp2000+ has this flag .. and i think many of the Thunderbrid has the same
[12:57] <StoffBox-Steve> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[12:58] <Neil3> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[12:58] <Neil3> thats mine
[12:58] <bascule> Neil3: if you run mplayer custom, or built it, does it show as a flag when you run 'mplayer some.media'
[12:58] <mike__> it wont let me copy anything to my desktop because it says i dont have permission, but i want to just log in as root and not have to do alot of the stuff through the termenal, how do i accomplish that?
[12:58] <bascule> mike__: don't
[12:58] <StoffBox-Steve> same as mine Neil3 :D
[12:58] <mike__> ok
[12:58] <Neil3> mine has the mp flag which your's doesnt, StoffBox-Steve
[12:59] <Neil3> multiprocessing perhaps?
[12:59] <StoffBox-Steve> :) Neil3
[12:59] <Neil3> bascule, no idea
[12:59] <bascule> k
[12:59] <Neil3> i use totem-xine ;)
[12:59] <bascule> ah, cause I was wondering in relation to HiddenWolf's question wether or not it had any use
[12:59] <StoffBox-Steve> xine with w32codecs :D
[01:00] <Neil3> yeah the w32codecs too
[01:00] <bascule> if it shows in mplayer it'll be used by mencoder, thus better encoding speeds
[01:00] <Neil3> doing a fine job
[01:00] <Neil3> i'd assume those programs would use it
[01:00] <Neil3> but you never know
[01:00] <bascule> it certainly uses sse and sse2 under p4
[01:01] <Adrenal> is the new firefox on the backports yet?
[01:01] <StoffBox-Steve> my mplayer dosent start so i kick it to the universe :D
[01:01] <StoffBox-Steve> i think no Adrenal but will be the next days :)
[01:02] <Adrenal> grand
[01:02] <Adrenal> good old backports
[01:02] <photoguy151> is the master harddive hda1 or 0?
[01:02] <Neil3> hmm i can see an mplayer-k6 package in synaptic
[01:03] <bascule> why are they called backports if it is newer software? Pedantic, but I am interested
[01:03] <Neil3> and a k7 one that just installs the k6 one heh
[01:03] <StoffBox-Steve> shit, only one ChesseBurger ... still need more Food  :S
[01:03] <Kronae> can somebody tell me something?
[01:03] <Kronae> i need help
[01:03] <StoffBox-Steve> about what Kronae?
[01:03] <Kronae> do i have to set the linux partition as active to install linux?
[01:04] <bascule> no
[01:04] <Kronae> ok
[01:04] <Kronae> thanks
[01:04] <bascule> in fact to active partitions renders a machine un-bootable
[01:04] <Kronae> ok
[01:04] <Kronae> thanks
[01:04] <bascule> np
[01:04] <Kronae> cya
[01:04] <Kronae> [[] ] 
[01:04] <bascule> laters
[01:04] <StoffBox-Steve> no only you what to install the bootloader not in the MDR .. than you need it so the bios can boot form the partition
[01:05] <Adrenal> bascule: its actually quite an interesting story, dating back to...oh, a bagle
[01:05] <bascule> ah well =] 
[01:05] <bascule> Adrenal: honestly ..?
[01:05] <Adrenal> yes
[01:05] <Adrenal> i really like bagels
[01:05] <kroon> Can apt-get/dpkg list obsolete packages, that is packages that are not in any of the sources listed in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:06] <bascule> Adrenal: anythingn more on theis bagel/backport stiry?
[01:06] <bascule> story*
[01:07] <StoffBox-Steve> apt can't list a package that it dosent know ....
[01:07] <photoguy151> can someone tell me how to mnt my windows partition if its on the master hdd?
[01:07] <kroon> StoffBox-Steve, well, aptitude can list them, so I figured apt-get or dpkg could too
[01:07] <kroon> StoffBox-Steve, I jsut cant figure out how
[01:08] <bascule> photoguy151: ubuntuguide.org
[01:08] <bascule> nice detailed instructions
[01:08] <StoffBox-Steve> sudo -s mount -t fat32 /dev/hda1 /mnt/mountpoint .... <<< must be right photoguy151
[01:08] <bascule> what is -s
[01:09] <scizzo> bascule: man sudo
[01:09] <bascule> :)
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve> take a look at the man page :D >>
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve>  -s  The -s (shell) option runs the shell specified by the SHELL envi-
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve>            ronment variable if it is set or the shell as specified in
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve>            passwd(5).
[01:10] <bascule> thanks
[01:10] <StoffBox-Steve> NTN bascule
[01:11] <onid> hello, i'm trying to get hardware acceleration for an ati card. I have the "linux-restricted-modules" package installed and changed the Driver to "fglrx" on XF86Config-4 but gdm refuses to start. Any sugestions to get direct rendering?
[01:11] <traps> Hello guys, Im helping a friend in linux and hes running ubuntu - he wants to install the ATI driver
[01:11] <onid> heh traps, join the club!! :D
[01:12] <traps> how does ubuntu handle rpms?
[01:12] <traps> rpm2tar 1st, ou does rpm actually work on ubuntu?
[01:12] <bascule> StoffBox-Steve: NTN? I can't find it
[01:12] <onid> traps, there is a small program called alien that transforms from one package format to the other
[01:12] <chibifs> traps - Don't use the rpm, use the ubuntu package? :P
[01:12] <traps> ok, is there a url for that?
[01:12] <StoffBox-Steve> traps: google is allways good :D -> 3rd found > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-987.html
[01:13] <onid> the thing is that there is already in warty a package that installs the fglrx module
[01:13] <traps> whats ubuntus packages management called?
[01:13] <StoffBox-Steve> No Thanks Needed bascule :D
[01:13] <traps> thanx you re a time saver!!!
[01:13] <chibifs> deb. debian packages. :P
[01:13] <bascule> ah, well I won't thank you then, but ... :))
[01:13] <StoffBox-Steve> traps: i know how to use google thats all :)
[01:14] <StoffBox-Steve>  :D bascule
[01:14] <onid> StoffBox-Steve, any thoughts on my question? or u will simply redirect me to google too?
[01:14] <StoffBox-Steve> traps: ubuntu use the same as debian = apt-get | dpkg  | or for interface > synaptic  ... and the package are .dev b files
[01:15] <StoffBox-Steve> deb noch dev
[01:15] <onid> oh and apt-get does not find fglrx-driver
[01:15] <onid> :p
[01:15] <StoffBox-Steve> onid the question was ? oversee it :D
[01:15] <StoffBox-Steve> maybe update the souces list onid
[01:16] <onid> let's tryt that...
[01:16] <StoffBox-Steve> mine apt-cache sreach fglrx-driver found to package onid
[01:16] <StoffBox-Steve> search
[01:18] <erik> Hi @all ..  Does anybody know how I sort my menu items, Open Locations in nautilus "applications:///"  show's me an error
[01:21] <onid> StoffBox-Steve, when u said to update the sources list u meant to get the sources for the kernel i'm running on my system?
[01:22] <onid> or to update the sites where packages are available from in synaptic?
[01:24] <StoffBox-Steve> 2nd onid
[01:24] <onid> :)
[01:25] <photoguy151> can someone tell me how to view my windows harddrive?
[01:25] <photoguy151> i know i have to mount it
[01:25] <eikke> is it possible to have an xscreensaver *with* password box?
[01:25] <photoguy151> but im not sure where it is
[01:25] <traps> My friend doesn't seem to have the correct repositories, he doesn`t see fglrx in apt-shell; search fglrx
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> my look like this onid :
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted multiverse
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted  multiver
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:26] <StoffBox-Steve> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted multivers
[01:26] <erik> photoguy151: Just do to where you have mounted it e.g /mnt/windows
[01:27] <StoffBox-Steve> apt-cache search fglrx  dosent find anythink traps?
[01:27] <photoguy151> so mnt dev/hda1 /mnt/windows?
[01:27] <onid> yeah, i checked the remaining lists in synapti and it now finds the binary drivers for ATI
[01:28] <StoffBox-Steve> no photoguy151 you have to enter the filesystem too --- look like its when the WinParti is FAT32 > mount -t fat32 /dev/hda1 /mnt/mountpoint
[01:28] <onid> will the fglrx module be uploaded automaticaly if i change the Driver in XF86config-4 nad if not where is the rc file for the module to aytomaticaly load at boot?
[01:29] <traps> StoffBox-Steve, he probably doesn`t have the correct repositories
[01:29] <traps> i m gonna make him add the ones you posted
[01:29] <photoguy151> it just gives me /mnt/windows does not exist
[01:29] <traps> if he doesn`t have them allready
[01:30] <StoffBox-Steve> as i know, when you added a new driver and restart X  ( ctrl + alt + backspace ) that the new modul will start auto :D onid
[01:30] <onid> checking it right now :)
[01:30] <StoffBox-Steve> but, my know of linux is not the best .. < using linux since 2 weeks :D
[01:31] <onid> what have u been using before that Steve?
[01:32] <erik> photoguy151: create the directory
[01:32] <StoffBox-Steve> yeah photoguy151 you must make them by yourself >
[01:32] <StoffBox-Steve> # cd /mnt/
[01:32] <StoffBox-Steve> #sudo mkdir mountpoint
[01:33] <StoffBox-Steve> Windows XP onid, and that was not a normal windows .... 100% optimize for my use .... take me 2 / 3 days to make it
[01:34] <StoffBox-Steve> and linux my path look like this > knoppix ( as a backup restore system ) , debian , Gentoo , ubuntu  @ onid
[01:35] <onid> interesting
[01:35] <photoguy151> why does it keep telling me i dont have permission to view the folder
[01:35] <photoguy151> ?
[01:35] <LinuxJones> photoguy151, what folder is that ?
[01:35] <photoguy151> /mnt/windows
[01:36] <LinuxJones> photoguy151, let me get you a link
[01:36] <photoguy151> ok
[01:36] <LinuxJones> photoguy151, your trying to access a ntfs drive ?
[01:36] <photoguy151> yeah
[01:36] <photoguy151> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[01:36] <LinuxJones> photoguy151, www.ubuntuguide.org     scroll down to the windows section
[01:38] <StoffBox-Steve> :D onid was easy or ?
[01:39] <onid> yeah it was but there seems to be a confusion to the newbie into which package is needed. i'll explain myself
[01:39] <onid> in the restricted package there is the fglrx module
[01:39] <onid> which comes by default with the warty cd
[01:40] <onid> if one changes the Driver section in XF86config-4 it doesnt work
[01:40] <onid> if one even seraches on the wiki puting a string fglrx it comes with not so usefull results in practical terms
[01:40] <StoffBox-Steve> yeah many thinks look confus for a newbie, a know i am a newbie :) onid
[01:41] <onid> well, StoffBox-Steve i know what i'm doing more or less in linux but i cannot be asked to know the quircks of every distro
[01:41] <onid> :)
[01:41] <ogra> onid: did nobody point you there ? :https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:41] <onid> i'm just saying that there is space for improvement there
[01:42] <onid> ogra, that is ok, but warty hs disabled by default the remaining site for the package list
[01:42] <photoguy151> why is it always saying i dont have permission to access the folder?
[01:42] <onid> so the only resources one has are the one in the cd
[01:42] <onid> anyways i got to go to uni now
[01:43] <ogra> onid: ah, you mean the restricted repository
[01:43] <onid> thanks again for ur time guys :)
[01:43] <ogra> onid, i think that is changed for hoary already
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> HOW DO I change the color of the items on the panels.. like "placxes" "system" etc
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> sorry for d caps
[01:43] <StoffBox-Steve> try sudo -s chmod 777 mnt/windwos photoguy151 give access to eveyone, not the best but may be working for now @ photoguy151
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> StoffBox-Steve: better to mount it with the "umask=000" option
[01:44] <photoguy151> i just did sudo chown -R mike /
[01:45] <StoffBox-Steve> right da_bon_bon umask is a better way :)
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> and chown is slow, and not permanent if u use udev, StoffBox-Steve
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> HOW DO I change the color of the items on the panels.. like "placxes" "system" etc
[01:46] <karim> hi
[01:47] <ogra> photoguy151: use the umask option, chmod is not intended for that and you would have to execute it on every mount again....
[01:47] <karim> I have a sound problem. The sound is stuttering with crackeling in the sounds, when I try to play a video on a a video player. vlc or xine or mplayer, or totem
[01:47] <StoffBox-Steve> not really know alot about File rights da_bon_bon, its a think am starting to learn in the next weeks
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> StoffBox-Steve: ok.
[01:49] <photoguy151> what does /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0 mean?
[01:49] <StoffBox-Steve> im just starting with linux 2 weeks ago :) so there is many to learn for me da_bon_bon
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: STICKY-OWNER-GROUP-ALL
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> StoffBox-Steve: right.
[01:50] <photoguy151> da_bon_bon: where would i type that?
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: no, XXXX means STICKY-OWNER-GROUP-ALL permissions format
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: what are you trying to do ?
[01:51] <Xappe> hmm, is the .4 kernel freezing problem solved with the new update? (hoary of course)
[01:52] <ubuntudave> hi guys - how can i get the latest kernel source? i have 2.6.10-4-386 kernel running but not the source apparently - apt-get doesn't list the latest
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> Xappe: i want just gonna ask the same question
[01:52] <ubuntudave> Xappe, the forums say it is
[01:52] <Xappe> ok
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> ubuntudave: apt-get install linux-tree-4-686
[01:52] <photoguy151> im trying to unmount a drive, but anytime i use sudo command it gives me /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> ubuntudave: apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.10-4-686
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: do this - type "visudo" - then type ":q" and press enter.. then try again
[01:53] <ogra> photoguy151: looks like you heavily f*cked up your system and owner rights
[01:53] <ubuntudave> da_bon_bon, that doesn't work
[01:54] <photoguy151> nope
[01:54] <photoguy151> it doesnt
[01:54] <ogra> photoguy151: the message means, that the /etc/sudoers file seems not to belong to root anymore....
[01:54] <photoguy151> hmmm
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> ubuntudave: apt-cache search linux-tree and install the version which suits you
[01:54] <karim> I have a sound problem. The sound is stuttering with crackeling in the sounds, when I try to play a video on a a video player. vlc or xine or mplayer, or totem
[01:54] <ogra> photoguy151: did you do some chown command to change any rights of system files like /etc/sudoers ?
[01:54] <karim> it's on a powermac G3
[01:55] <photoguy151> ummm, possibly
[01:55] <ubuntudave> needs to be latest to compile ndiswrapper with - but can't get it anywhere apparently
[01:55] <photoguy151> "chown -R mike /"
[01:55] <ogra> photoguy151: ARGH
[01:55] <photoguy151> dont like the sound of that!
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: are you mad !!
[01:55] <ogra> photoguy151: you should reinstall.....this is more insecure then using Windows now
[01:55] <photoguy151> no, just dumb =(
[01:56] <woodywarty> Hi to all
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: dont worry.. just write the /var/cache/apt directory to a cd and re install
[01:56] <nakeee> when is next stable release?
[01:56] <photoguy151> yeah
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> ubuntudave: where, on the forums, does it say that the kernel was fixed ?
[01:57] <ogra> nakeee: april
[01:57] <photoguy151> last time i listen to a website on how to mount ntfs
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> nakeee: april
[01:57] <photoguy151> =(
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> photoguy151: /always/ ask on irc / forums first
[01:57] <nakeee> hmm
[01:57] <photoguy151> im figuring this out =)
[01:57] <photoguy151> trail and error
[01:57] <nakeee> thanks:)
[01:57] <ubuntudave> da_bon_bon, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16681
[01:58] <photoguy151> its all good, i just installed this fresh anyway
[02:00] <ubernoob> I'm trying to get sound from more than one source at the same time... annyone knows about a goot HOWTO?
[02:02] <dtygel> hi friends. I have a small doubt regarding permissions...
[02:03] <ubernoob> dtygel: whats your doubt?
[02:03] <dtygel> I want to automatically mount a disk (/dev/hda4) on boot, which is 777 for all users in the group "fbes". Well, so I put the following line in fstab: "/dev/hda4       /frutos         vfat    iocharset=utf8,auto,uid=dtygel,gid=fbes,users,rw 0       0".
[02:04] <dtygel> But when I log in as user fbes, I cannot access the disk. It says it's 744 (read-only for the group!).
[02:04] <dtygel> I see only the gnome's "footprints"
[02:04] <dtygel> in nautilus.
[02:05] <ubernoob> hold on... ill find the man
[02:06] <ubernoob> btw.. i found a howto fo fix the sound
[02:06] <StoffBox-Steve> ... this tooth is killing me :(
[02:06] <dtygel> i've been there ("man mount") but couldn't find the answer... Maybe I saw it wrong :)
[02:07] <dtygel> stoffbox: maybe should go to a dentist?? :)
[02:09] <StoffBox-Steve> where a good may, but i hate medics :S dtygel .
[02:09] <StoffBox-Steve> may - way
[02:09] <ubernoob> dtygel: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[02:09] <ubernoob> the answer might be there :) i need it myself, so ill try to help you uot
[02:09] <dtygel> stoff, me too... but sometimes... we just need them.
[02:10] <dtygel> ubernoob, I'll read it too. If some of us get the answer, we share it here :)
[02:11] <KING^^^> hello all, i have a problem , my music plays too fast , can anyone help me ?
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> ma frnd did a reall foolish thing - on a multisession disc, he "deleted" the files already present and then wrote new ones - about 4mb - from nero (fucking windows).. so, now he wants to recover the previous 200 mb* the data still is there just wiped from TOC, right ? what do i do ? i have that cd
[02:11] <StoffBox-Steve> sometimes, means i going do die, otherwise no there are BAD dtygel
[02:12] <dtygel> kkk
[02:12] <ubernoob> dtygel: ahh
[02:13] <KING^^^> hello all, i have a problem , my music plays too fast , can anyone help me ?
[02:13] <ubernoob> dtygel: you need to set the umask
[02:13] <dtygel> set it to what, ubernoob?
[02:13] <ubernoob> dtygel: if you want permission 777, set umask=000
[02:13] <SiRrUs> KING^^^ still ?
[02:14] <dtygel> isn't it only for ext3 partitions?
[02:14] <dtygel> Mine is vfat.
[02:14] <KING^^^> yes SiRrUs
[02:14] <ubernoob>  /dev/hda4 /frutos vfat iocharset=utf8,auto,uid=dtygel,gid=fbes,users,rw,umask=000 0 0"
[02:14] <dtygel> I'll try it. Hold on a minute or two...
[02:18] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, is very still in here
[02:18] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: i know
[02:19] <StoffBox-Steve> ghostchannel *
[02:20] <SiRrUs> KING^^^  have you checked on google??
[02:20] <KING^^^> yep
[02:20] <SiRrUs> all kinds of answers there
[02:21] <StoffBox-Steve> hardware accelerate on KING^^^?  dont ask me where to find this option :)
[02:21] <KING^^^> yes ... sorry now i have to go , talk to you later
[02:21] <StoffBox-Steve> turn it off, when is on .... KING^^^
[02:21] <KING^^^> hope i will find an answer when i'll come back
[02:22] <KING^^^> StoffBox-Steve: ? what do you want ?
[02:22] <wezzer> does anyone have ess maestro 2 1978 sound chip on laptop here?
[02:23] <StoffBox-Steve> turn off hardware accelerate, when its on
[02:23] <KING^^^> i don't know what are you talking about , see ya later
[02:23] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:24] <SiRrUs> StoffBox-Steve you may need to make a house call
[02:25] <StoffBox-Steve>  :) SiRrUs
[02:26] <SiRrUs> well lets see if the new kernel updates work
[02:26] <SiRrUs> brb
[02:28] <ubernoob> wezzer: no, but whats your problem?
[02:28] <wezzer> alsa won't find it
[02:28] <wezzer> "no sound card detected"
[02:29] <wezzer> actually it's my friends laptop, so I don't have it here now to investigate more
[02:29] <SiRrUs> nice seems to work great
[02:30] <ubernoob> i dont think i can help you, but you will probably find your answer here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=ess+maestro+2+1978+linux+alsa&btnG=Search
[02:30] <ubernoob> dtygel: did you reboot?
[02:31] <dtygel> ubernoob: it worked allright! Thank you a lot: I put umask=007, so that "others" cannot access the folder.
[02:31] <ubernoob> dtygel: you can remount your fstab with "sudo mount -a"
[02:31] <dtygel> Yeah! :)
[02:31] <ArdieM> is hoary done ?
[02:31] <ubernoob> dtygel: good! :) thats what im going to do as well
[02:31] <wezzer> ubernoob: tried already, no match :/
[02:31] <ArdieM> or wichn one is the latest =
[02:31] <ArdieM> ?
[02:32] <parpic2002> hi
[02:32] <ubernoob> wezzer: :(
[02:32] <dtygel> ubernoob. Nice.
[02:32] <SiRrUs> ArdieM warty is stable
[02:32] <parpic2002> hoary start in kde?
[02:32] <SiRrUs> Hoary is still in test out in April
[02:32] <dtygel> now I have another question, regarding permissions again...
[02:32] <parpic2002> by default?
[02:32] <ubernoob> dtygel: :)
[02:33] <ArdieM> okay thanx
[02:33] <dtygel> If I don't login as the default user (the first user we set up), How can I access "sudo"?
[02:33] <dtygel> When I type "sudo", no matter what pssword I give: it's not accepted.
[02:33] <SiRrUs> ArdieM the testing version in the channel topic works well tho
[02:33] <parpic2002> sudo su
[02:33] <ubernoob> dtygel: the user have to be in a admin group
[02:34] <dtygel> ah, I didn't know that. Wait a minute, I'll check...
[02:34] <dtygel> but to check it, I'll have to logout from this user right now. Wait a minute again...
[02:35] <parpic2002> cineva din ROMANIA?
[02:35] <StoffBox-Steve> parpic2002: ... hmm Ubuntu is Gnome default, think there where no change so fast to that rule :D
[02:36] <parpic2002> OK
[02:36] <StoffBox-Steve> but you can geht KDE per apt-get .... for the people like KDE ... *G*
[02:37] <parpic2002> i know
[02:37] <parpic2002> just i asked for hoary
[02:37] <parpic2002> i prefer more gnome session
[02:38] <parpic2002> is easy
[02:38] <StoffBox-Steve> btw, im happy that Gnome is default ... on my Pc.. the only way to install is Net or HD install ... and the size of gnome ot smaller :) .. ok i have a 2MB line so the waiting time will be not really more ... *GG*
[02:39] <ubernoob> dtygel: btw you might want to check your umask. type "umask" to see default permission of new files. Then set "umask 077" if you don't want others to access your new files. Or "umask 007" if you want your group to have access.
[02:39] <dtygel> ubernoob, It didn't work. "fbes" is in the adm group, but cannot sudo
[02:39] <ubernoob> hmm... hold on
[02:40] <dtygel> ubernoob: I've put "007": users and group can access. :)
[02:40] <dtygel> When I try to sudo it says the following: "fbes is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[02:40] <dtygel> So I think we must find a "sudoers file"...
[02:40] <StoffBox-Steve> ubernoob: can i hide folders -- so lan users can't see them .. but there can access them when there now the path ?
[02:41] <ubernoob> dtygel: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#allowmoresudoers
[02:41] <dtygel> it's /etc/sudoers :)
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> dtygel: have the same yesterday ... try
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> sudo -s
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> sudo visudo
[02:42] <jdub> jdubtv! -> http://70.85.31.216:8800/
[02:42] <evarlast> dtygel: you have to logout and back in for group changes to take effect.
[02:42] <ubernoob> dtygel: actually... you should check you the whole section: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#usersadministration
[02:42] <seb128> jdub: oh, gaim 1.1.4 just uploaded in debian, I'll take this one :)
[02:42] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: not that i know of.
[02:42] <StoffBox-Steve> the whole quide is really good ubernoob :)
[02:42] <dtygel> stoffbox and ubernoob. I'll logout and login again to try your suggestions. Hold on, again!
[02:43] <jdub> seb128: heh, rad :)
[02:43] <ubernoob> hehe... i wonder how many times dtygel has left this channel :P
[02:44] <Zindar> jdub: say something then.... :)
[02:44] <Zindar> jdubtv... wee :)
[02:44] <Zindar> HAHAHA
[02:44] <Zindar> yeah.. not much sync there
[02:45] <StoffBox-Steve> have a link for the changelog file of gaim seb128 ? ...
[02:45] <seb128> StoffBox-Steve: no, why ?
[02:45] <seb128> StoffBox-Steve: upstream changelog or debian one ?
[02:46] <Zindar> totem disliked jdubtv so hard that it died when closing it
[02:47] <dtygel> steve and ubernoob. It worked allright... but I suddenly gave up of this idea. Too dangerous to let the group access "sudo" functions.
[02:47] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: lots of security fix
[02:47] <StoffBox-Steve> ok, just found it seb128 :)
[02:47] <seb128> StoffBox-Steve: upstream or debian .
[02:47] <seb128> ?
[02:47] <StoffBox-Steve> use 1.0 here
[02:47] <seb128> oh, j
[02:47] <seb128> k
[02:47] <ubernoob> dtygel: yes. then you'll give em root access, and that might not be a good idea
[02:47] <StoffBox-Steve> Gaim changelog form sourceforge  seb128
[02:48] <dtygel> ubernoob: mainly because we are in a local net and internet ! Too dangerous...
[02:48] <dtygel> the password for the group may be widespread...
[02:48] <vincent> StoffBox-Steve: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ChangeLog
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> jup vincent just found it :)
[02:49] <dtygel> Ok, I must logout now. Thank you very very much ubernoob and stoffbox-steve! =] 
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i think i need to update Gaim :)
[02:50] <evarlast> someone should have told him that sudo lets you do more than that.
[02:50] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: that might be a good idea :)
[02:50] <ubernoob> evarlast: too late..
[02:51] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm apt-cache only give me the 1.0.0 uhuntu .... ok,  sourceforge page of Gaim have .deb ?
[02:51] <ArdieM> how can i play .mpgs ?
[02:51] <StoffBox-Steve> on with player ArdieM?
[02:52] <wezzer> mplayer
[02:52] <StoffBox-Steve> W32codecs allways be a good choice
[02:52] <ubernoob> time to go! bye all!
[02:52] <StoffBox-Steve> by ubernoob have a nice day
[02:53] <ArdieM> W32codecs
[02:53] <SiRrUs> ArdieM check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:53] <StoffBox-Steve> take a look for W32codecs ArdieM, you find them on the mplayer homepage or as package
[02:54] <StoffBox-Steve> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php << *hm there are only rpm package no .deb :S
[02:57] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm have someone a link to a gaim .deb package ?
[03:03] <SiRrUs> quiet in here
[03:04] <StoffBox-Steve> GhostChannel SiRrUs
[03:04] <ArdieM> hmmm. i tryed to install realplayer, it succeded. but i cant start it ...
[03:04] <ArdieM> could you tell me where to get the amd64 version of realplayer ?
[03:05] <SiRrUs> I see that :)
[03:05] <SiRrUs> ArdieM is there such a thing
[03:05] <StoffBox-Steve> google > ubuntu realplayer AMD64 < try it ArdieM
[03:06] <SiRrUs> ArdieM and the word is thankyou ;)
[03:08] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i cat update gaim :S
[03:08] <StoffBox-Steve> cant
[03:09] <SiRrUs> how come
[03:09] <markuman> i want install diablo2. in the installation i have to insert the playdisk. so i have to umount die install disk. but that doesn't work ->umount /media/cdrom
[03:09] <markuman> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[03:09] <markuman> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[03:09] <markuman> 
[03:09] <ArdieM> hmmm ... thank you !!
[03:09] <ArdieM> :)
[03:09] <SiRrUs> your welcome
[03:10] <StoffBox-Steve> close all open nautilus windows ... and try again markuman
[03:11] <markuman> StoofBox-Steve, there are no open nautilus windows
[03:11] <rsd> is array-5 just updated software or is it beta ubuntu software too?
[03:11] <markuman> StoffBox-Steve, not stoofBox sry
[03:11] <StoffBox-Steve> somethink i still access  the device ... hmm maybe the installer ?
[03:12] <StoffBox-Steve> NP markuman
[03:12] <markuman> i think too...
[03:12] <markuman> but how to install without the installer ???
[03:12] <markuman> lol
[03:12] <StoffBox-Steve> .. hmm thats really lol
[03:13] <StoffBox-Steve> try umount -r markuman
[03:14] <markuman> umount -r /media/cdrom
[03:14] <markuman> umount: /dev/hdc busy - remounted read-only
[03:14] <markuman> don't work
[03:14] <StoffBox-Steve> so and now try umount
[03:15] <markuman> no, the same error
[03:15] <StoffBox-Steve>  :S
[03:16] <StoffBox-Steve> ok try umount -f markuman
[03:17] <markuman> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[03:17] <markuman> don't work :-/
[03:18] <markuman> that sucks
[03:18] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm umount -f = normaly Force to umount the device :S
[03:18] <seb128> killall nautilus and try again ?
[03:19] <StoffBox-Steve> be back
[03:20] <markuman> seb128, i have done it before, but don't work
[03:21] <seb128> you probably have something running using it
[03:21] <seb128> ps ax and try to figure what
[03:21] <seb128> of use fuser
[03:21] <markuman> yes, seb128. the installer
[03:21] <seb128> kill it ?
[03:21] <markuman> and how to install diablo2 without the installer?
[03:21] <markuman> with umount -l it works
[03:21] <markuman> but how to eject....
[03:22] <seb128> I don't get the issue
[03:22] <seb128> you need the CD or not ?
[03:23] <markuman> the installdisk (is no in my drive) at the moment not. the installer want now the playdisk. later he want the installdisk again
[03:23] <seb128> the installer should eject it so
[03:23] <StoffBox-Steve> btw markuman .. is diablo2 a linux game ? or use a emu ?
[03:23] <markuman> it use wine
[03:23] <markuman> but i have it now
[03:23] <markuman> it works
[03:24] <markuman> first umount -l /media/cdrom
[03:24] <StoffBox-Steve> oki, markuman
[03:24] <markuman> than eject /media/cdrom
[03:25] <Erni> hi, i have a problem: I always try to mount cdrom but i always get this message of error: mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist. Can someone help pliz???
[03:25] <markuman> hdd? you want to mount a harddiskdrive?
[03:26] <Erni> no, but in /etc/fstab i have cdrom in /dev/hdd
[03:26] <Erni> but hdd doesn't exist as the error says
[03:27] <Erni> I have a dvd reader and a dvd recorder
[03:27] <erik> an apt-get update at the moment gives me an
[03:27] <erik> zip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[03:27] <Erni> when I was installing ubuntu i had problems because ubuntu couldn't read the ubuntu cd
[03:28] <erik> Fehl http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[03:28] <erik> Anybody the same problem ?
[03:29] <Erni> how can I see which device is my cdrom in /dev?
[03:29] <Goshawk> using hoary i've problem burning dvd
[03:29] <Goshawk> i've a iso file on my directory... whne i say to nautilus to write it to a disk
[03:30] <Goshawk> the dialog box appairs but it says to reload a blank disk (the disk is blank)
[03:30] <umarmung> Erni, ls -l /dev/cdrom and look to what device it links
[03:31] <Erni> I mean to what device links /media/cdrom
[03:31] <Erni> because now it links to /dev/hdd
[03:32] <Erni> but hdd doesn't exist
[03:32] <SiRrUs> Goshawk does graveman work?
[03:32] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, someone can say me a nice instant messeger ? whats your fav ?
[03:32] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, i prefer gnomebaker.. but i have problem with mp3s
[03:32] <SiRrUs> Goshawk does graveman work?
[03:33] <Xappe> StoffBox-Steve, i prefer licq for icq and gaim for msn
[03:34] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i using Gaim for Yahoo | ICQ  | IRC | MSN ....  its fine but i want to look to other programms too
[03:34] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, i deleted that package
[03:34] <Goshawk> using gnomebaker to create burn the image i've also problems
[03:34] <Erni> someone had problems installing ubuntu because the installation program couldn't read the cd?? and it asked for the device drivers?????
[03:34] <Xappe> i don't like the gaim ui at all
[03:35] <lupusBE> whois going to fosdem? :)
[03:35] <Xappe> and the away message handling is awful in gaim
[03:35] <StoffBox-Steve> one Erni but i have a mounted Floppydisk and only install linux using NETINSTALL
[03:36] <Chipzz> lupusBE: I am
[03:36] <SiRrUs> Goshawk hmm cool then
[03:36] <Erni> and now you can read from your cd/dvd rom?
[03:36] <suifur> ayttm isn't too bad for IMing
[03:36] <StoffBox-Steve> its not the best Xappe, thats right.... i take a look at http://www.jabber.org/software/clients.shtml but dont what do install all of them
[03:36] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, yep... it seems an erro of cdrecord...
[03:37] <Goshawk> SiRrUs, gonna see it...
[03:37] <Warz> Hello; I'm interested in setting up Unbutu on my computer, but before I download it I'd like to know if it includes linmodem drivers or not ?
[03:37] <StoffBox-Steve> sure Erni dont having Problem,
[03:37] <StoffBox-Steve> but its a old CDrom
[03:37] <Erni> mmm
[03:37] <Erni> the system doesn't recognize my dvdrom and my recorder
[03:37] <Erni> :(
[03:38] <Xappe> it's a pity that licq doesn't have a good gtk gui...
[03:38] <SiRrUs> i will have to remember not to use baker
[03:38] <StoffBox-Steve> btw linux like my hardware :)  only the 3com940 card was a problem at start
[03:39] <Erni> how can i know what the cdrom links to in /dev?
[03:39] <shock> /dev/hdc
[03:39] <shock> ?
[03:40] <erik__> Can someone help me, why in the console nautilus applications:/// gives me an "applications:/// is no valid place" ?
[03:40] <shock> ls -l /dev/cdrom
[03:40] <shock> ;)
[03:40] <StoffBox-Steve> have you googel ? maybe like this > uhuntu mydvd problem
[03:40] <Erni> now i have my cdrom in /dev/hdd and my recorder in /dev/hdc but both units don't exist!!!
[03:40] <Erni> that is my problem
[03:41] <Erni> in fstab i have my cdrom and my recorder in /dev/hdd and /dev/hdc but these units don't exist in /dev
[03:42] <shock> u have no /dev/hdc O_o
[03:42] <shock> ?
[03:42] <Erni> it's a problem that i am the only person with this problem!! :((
[03:42] <Erni> no
[03:42] <Erni> i haven't any hdd and any hdc
[03:43] <Erni> when i try to mount cdrom i have an error mess: mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist
[03:43] <shock> do 'dmesg |grep hdc'
[03:44] <shock> and 'dmesg |grep hdd'
[03:44] <shock> and u might get some more info
[03:44] <Erni> the is no answer at all
[03:45] <Erni> in the kernel messages there is nothing about hdd and hdc
[03:45] <shock> how about 'dmesg |grep CD'
[03:45] <shock> ?
[03:46] <Erni> nothing
[03:46] <dud> isnt there a vmware or something similar for amd64?
[03:46] <dud> :(
[03:46] <Erni> this' a shit
[03:46] <Erni> :(
[03:47] <Erni> how can see waht links my cdrom to?
 - so your computer finds no cdrom or anything during boot o_O
[03:47] <Erni> in /dev
[03:47] <shock> ls -l
[03:47] <shock> ls -l /dev/cdrom
[03:47] <shock> i.e.
[03:47] <Erni> no
[03:48] <Erni> I had to write some instructions in console
[03:48] <Erni> to be able of install
[03:48] <StoffBox-Steve> Xappe: what do you think about Kopete, looks nice but is KDE
[03:48] <sigglet> is Array-5 testing or Stable ?
[03:48] <shock> hm... dunno - sorry
[03:50] <LinuxJones> Can you filter the irc channel messages by user in xchat ?
[03:50] <SiRrUs> sigglet stable release of hoary will be out in April  Array 5 is testing  but works good for me
[03:51] <sigglet> SiRrUs: so the next stable version will be named Hoary? that doesn't make sense to me since hoary is testing now......
[03:51] <jdub> sigglet: we're testing hoary for release.
[03:51] <jdub> that doesn't make sense?
[03:51] <SiRrUs> sigglet sorry it doesnt make sense to you
[03:52] <sigglet> so how can I tell a stable version of ubuntu? by the numbers being even?
[03:52] <SiRrUs> sigglet It will probably say Ubuntu version 5.04 or something like that
[03:53] <suifur> or just download the version listed as stable on the site....? lol
[03:53] <SiRrUs> :)
[03:53] <LinuxJones> sigglet, cat /etc/issue
[03:54] <sigglet> I know what I'm running now I was just curious how ubuntu has set their stable releases
[03:54] <suifur> sigglet, what do you mean 'set' ?
[03:54] <sigglet> I'm still just using 4.10 warty warthog until the next stable release.
[03:54] <sigglet> suifur: like by numbers
[03:55] <sigglet> 4.10 = stable
[03:55] <suifur> indeed
[03:55] <SiRrUs> Oct 2004
[03:55] <SiRrUs> 5.04 I believe is April 2005
[03:55] <suifur> 5.04 > april 2005
[03:56] <evarlast> %Y.%M
[04:06] <OmniColos> wpa_supplicant does not seem to support this card
[04:06] <spliter> hi, guys. I have a question on ubuntu+windows. I know there is a load og information on this, but nothig helped me
[04:07] <thenuke> huh, /dev/input/ has only event0 and event1 files in it.. where is my mouse :O
[04:07] <thenuke> any ideas?
[04:07] <spliter> is there any ubuntu+win guru? ;)
[04:07] <Xappe> spliter, what's your problem
[04:07] <njan> spliter, just ask your question
[04:10] <spliter> ok, I have one HD and 4 parts. I had Win98, WinXP Fedora and one swap partition
[04:10] <spliter> I decided to instal ubuntu on fedora's partition
[04:10] <spliter> so during installatuion told to format that partition yo ext3
[04:11] <spliter> no I can't get to Windows partitions
[04:11] <spliter> I read on forum, but nothing helped
[04:15] <spliter> I think that the problem is that win98 is broken - even GRUB didn't recognize it, so it shows me winxp on boot with the reference to win98's partition
[04:15] <LinuxJones> spliter, that windows 98 partition is it using fat32 ?
[04:15] <spliter> both win partitions use fat32
[04:16] <spliter> when I had fedora GRUB showed on load, I chose WindowsXP. And then it showed me the choise to load 98 or xp
[04:17] <spliter> it is in my boot.ini on hda1 (win98
[04:18] <LinuxJones> spliter, I don't have any windows partitions but if you paste the output of /boot/grub/menu.list file to pastebin.ca I am sure someone can help. I have to go right now otherwise I would help.
[04:18] <spliter> any ideas?
[04:18] <LinuxJones> spliter, GL
[04:18] <spliter> thanx LinuxJones
[04:20] <elcuco> hi, is is possoble to remove gnome from unbuntu?
[04:20] <elcuco> since I am a kde user, i dont really need it
[04:22] <tweek888> hello
[04:22] <tweek888> how do i convert a .rpm to a .deb?
[04:22] <elcuco> alien
[04:22] <tweek888> that is?
[04:23] <elcuco> yes
[04:23] <tweek888> no, what is it?
[04:23] <elcuco> you can just "rpm -Uhv --nodeps" it, if you have insatlled rpm (apt-get instal rpm)
[04:23] <elcuco> alien is a script which converts rpms into debs, and the other way
[04:23] <tweek888> ok
[04:23] <tweek888> is it included?
[04:24] <elcuco> on debian it is :)
[04:24] <tweek888> ok i found it
[04:24] <tweek888> thanks
[04:24] <findeton> hi
[04:25] <flosch> hi
[04:26] <findeton> i don't know why it happens, but eclipse get hung
[04:26] <Coily> how do i find the install folder of a recently installed app (ive got the name of the bashcommand)
[04:26] <findeton> i've got Sun JRE/JDK 1.5
[04:26] <findeton> i'm able to run eclipse
[04:27] <Coily> anyone?
[04:27] <findeton> but whatever i do, in less than a minute, i tgets hung
[04:27] <elcuco> Coily, first time in linux?
[04:27] <Coily> howd you guess =[
[04:27] <elcuco> Coily, applications do not have a single installed dir
[04:28] <Coily> elaborate please
[04:28] <elcuco> they are installed in different parts...
[04:28] <zeedo> Coily: in linux the programs dont install the same way
[04:28] <zeedo> they put their files in a few different places
[04:28] <Coily> so lets say im looking for the config file
[04:28] <zeedo> yeh what elcuco said :
[04:28] <zeedo> that will be in your home directory or in /etc/
[04:28] <smick> Hi everyone
[04:28] <elcuco> the main app is in /usr/bin, the libraries in /usr/lib, config in /etc, other data in /usr/share/{appname}
[04:29] <Coily> thanks
[04:29] <zeedo> Coily: system wide configs go in /etc/ personal config usually go in your home dir in a folder starting with a ., usually .programname
[04:29] <elcuco> Coily, just type the app name in the "ctrl+f2" window and you are done
[04:29] <Coily> yessir
[04:29] <smick> I'm wondering why my liveCD has a user name and password, and I can't find what it might be.  really strange.
[04:30] <Xappe> smick, have you tried ubuntu:ubuntu?
[04:30] <elcuco> is is possoble to remove gnome from unbuntu? or install it without gnome support to begin with?
[04:30] <awb4422> why would you want to do that?
[04:31] <smick> yes, is that the common one?
[04:31] <awb4422> you know ubuntu prides itself on shipping with gnome.. right?
[04:31] <awb4422> i know this doesn't really answer your question
[04:31] <elcuco> awb4422, i know... but i am not a gnome person :)
[04:31] <Xappe> smick, hmm...I think so, but i'm not really sure cause i've only used a ubuntu live cd once
[04:32] <awb4422> just install kde
[04:32] <elcuco> i started liking the way that the distro is built, the ziliion small things i miss in debian... and i had in mandrake
[04:32] <smick> ok.  well I'll try it again sometime soon. thanks xappe
[04:32] <elcuco> well, i heard that the integration between the distro and kde is not "perfect" yes...
[04:33] <elcuco> do i have an #ubuntu-kde channel or should i ask here?
[04:33] <awb4422> ive heard the same, but i can't be sure, ive never used kde in ubuntu
[04:34] <apokryphos> elcuco: #kubuntu
[04:35] <jgl> hallo, if i have got a disk about 60 GB, how many partitions is optimal for swap?
[04:36] <smick> anyone know if there are any linux distros with scribus and rosegarden already installed together?
[04:36] <apokryphos> jgl: SWAP should depend on your RAM. You should have double swap compared to ram
[04:36] <jgl> i have got 512 MB ram
[04:37] <SiRrUs> smick you know you can both from synaptic?
[04:37] <jgl> i is better more than 1GB?
[04:37] <smick> I dont' know about synaptic. do you have a link?
[04:37] <SiRrUs> are you running ubuntu?
[04:38] <apokryphos> jgl: Yeah, go for a Gig
[04:38] <smckay> Im confused about the linux-image versions reported in synaptic.  The package says linux-image-2.6.10-4-k7 but the installed version says 2.6.10-23.  uname -a gives 2.6.10-4-k7.
[04:38] <jgl> ok thanks , where are you from?
[04:38] <jgl> do you know guadalinex?
[04:39] <smick> I'm not running ubuntu because my live CD wouldn't work. Basically. I've got an old computer, that has redhat. I am deciding whether to replace with ubuntu. and I'm learning more about it. But I have a few apps I want to use.
[04:39] <smckay> Same for package linux-image-k7, it shows installed version of 2.6.10-5 but only 2.6.10-4 is installed
[04:39] <apokryphos> jgl: Live in London. Nope, don't know.
[04:39] <SiRrUs> smick you should probably google for your link
[04:39] <jgl> london , yes
[04:39] <hawke> smick: The liveCD isn't really a good indicator of whether the real thing will work
[04:40] <jgl> i'm from cadiz spain
[04:40] <jgl> do you have installed ubuntu in your pc?
[04:40] <findeton> jgl
[04:40] <findeton> i'm from there too
[04:40] <findeton> though now i'm in Sevilla
[04:41] <findeton> ;)
[04:41] <jgl> ;)
[04:41] <apokryphos> jgl: Sure do. :)
[04:41] <jgl> i'm going to install ubuntu in my laptop
[04:42] <apokryphos> Good decision, imp.
[04:42] <apokryphos> *imo
[04:42] <smick> hawke: good point, I just assumed it would work.  I'm new at linux, so I've only used redhat for a time.
[04:42] <jgl> do you know any url about support drivers for laptops?
[04:42] <smick> I should probably install on redhat, and go from there.
[04:43] <apokryphos> jgl: Don't know any laptop stuff :D. You could ask some of the others here, I guess.
[04:43] <mips> anyone here with experience of 64bit AMD version & NV nForce MB ?
[04:43] <jgl> i have a barebook aopen 1556J centrino 1,6
[04:45] <smick> thx everyone.
[04:45] <jgl> it is a laptop with 1,6 Ghz centrino barebook aopen
[04:46] <r0bnyc> After I install hoary do I have to edit my sources for multiverse or something?
[04:46] <upnorthdog> hello does anyone know of a mandrake channel?
[04:46] <upnorthdog> i can't find one
[04:46] <r0bnyc> upnorthdog, #mandrake, #mdk-cooker
[04:46] <apokryphos> upnorthdog: erm, #mandrake?
[04:46] <Coily> im currently using "fetchyahoo" to have my email sent to a spoolfolder, im wondering if theres a more convenient way to read my emails from fetchyahoo (im assuming thnderbird would be an example)
[04:46] <upnorthdog> ok
[04:46] <jgl> anyone know if is better two partitions for swap?
[04:47] <r0bnyc> jgl, no
[04:47] <upnorthdog> im trying to get a linksys wmp11 wireless nic going
[04:47] <r0bnyc> jgl, 1 is enough
[04:47] <Get> How do I get the gtk-demo to my ubuntu?
[04:47] <apokryphos> jgl: Two partitions for swap? Nope.
[04:47] <nubuntu> hi
[04:47] <jgl> why?
[04:48] <StephenB> hmm can someone tell me why, when i use a KDE tool like sim (instant messenger) .. the lang is not set to gobale settings, and the font is so BIG ?
[04:48] <nubuntu> I am having a problem loading ubuntu, it keeps telling me that my cd rom is not recognized after boot
[04:48] <jgl> why two partitions?
[04:48] <apokryphos> jgl: You shouldn't have two partitions.
[04:48] <Coily> no advice on making viewing mailspools easier?
[04:48] <nubuntu> I have tried 3 different cd roms
[04:49] <jgl> for example two partitions about 1024MB?
[04:49] <apokryphos> jgl: No, you shouldn't have two partitions... only one is necessary. If you've got 512 RAM, 1 Gigabyte of SWAP should cover it.
[04:50] <nubuntu> It picks up the cdrom in the bios and boots...but when ubuntu tries to boot from it it tells me that it is an unrecognized cdrom...I have never had this problem with other machines
[04:50] <apokryphos> And one isn't necessary... but it's a very good idea.
[04:50] <evarlast> or don't even make a swap partition and install swapd :)
[04:51] <jgl> swapd ?
[04:53] <jgl> ok, thanks
[04:56] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, is that a usb cdrom ?
[04:58] <nubuntu> linuxjones, IDE ( the first I tried was an lg dvd rom, then changed to a creative 52x cdrom) the system nas sata on it, not sure if it might be problem with the modes I am using.
[04:59] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, are you using sata just for the hard drive or is the ide drive connected to the sata ide drive controler ?
[04:59] <Pointwood> what ftp server would you guys recommend?
[05:00] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, I remember someone else had problems like that before but I can't remember how it was resolved
[05:00] <nubuntu> linuxjones, sata is just for the harddrive (onboard sata) ide is connected to cdrom only...its a weird problem...preventing me from ridding myself of Windows folly
[05:01] <nubuntu> maybe I'll try an ide drive, and disable sata
[05:01] <nubuntu> for now
[05:02] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, let me have a look around to see if I can find something
[05:02] <nubuntu> Thanks very much LinuxJones much appreciated
[05:04] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, see if this helps >> http://pissedkid.com/archives/000879.php
[05:05] <nubuntu> awesome I'll try it right now, thanks much
[05:05] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, GL I hope it works
[05:05] <zenrox> morning all
[05:06] <LinuxJones> zenrox, hi
[05:06] <zenrox> gots to do the morning wake up update
[05:06] <zenrox> how you doinf linuxboy
[05:06] <zenrox> err LinuxJones
[05:07] <LinuxJones> zenrox, kind of crappy but what else is new :)
[05:08] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  the same
[05:08] <zenrox> but my linux is runing
[05:09] <Coily> i have an app which needs to be running for awhile, is there any way to have it run without using up a terminal window?
[05:10] <zenrox> Coily,  ya put a & at the end or open another terminal alt+ctrl+f2 or f3-f6
[05:10] <LinuxJones> zenrox, what more can a geek ask for :D
[05:10] <zenrox> lol
[05:10] <universal> does anyone know something about cedega?
[05:10] <Coily> thanks
[05:10] <Xappe> universal, not more than that i've installed cvscedega and had problems getting games to run :)
[05:11] <ups> Coily: or simple use the Alt-f2 and type the name there ;)
[05:11] <universal> Xappe, ok, me to, i can run games, but not optimally
[05:12] <Coily> ooh altf2 is even better
[05:12] <r0bnyc> Ubuntu HOary doesnt have MLDOnkey ?
[05:13] <universal> is someone familiar with Cedega??
[05:13] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, yeah it is in the universe reop
[05:13] <nubuntu> worked linuxjones...thanks
[05:13] <r0bnyc> LinuxJones, i cant seem to find it
[05:14] <LinuxJones> nubuntu, cool, maybe you could post it to the wiki :)
[05:14] <nubuntu> I will do that
[05:14] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, did you do an apt-get update ?
[05:14] <Coily> im assuming "firebird-c64-server" is the firebird client...
[05:15] <Xappe> universal, would be nice if one could use soething like grapevine with cvscedega
[05:15] <Xappe> i don't know if it's possible though
[05:15] <r0bnyc> LinuxJones, yes
[05:15] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, you didn't add the universe repository to your sources.lst file >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:16] <universal> Xappe, but what is cvscedega  i only know aboyt Cedega and the point2play...
[05:16] <r0bnyc> LinuxJones, I uncomment the 2 sources there though
[05:17] <Coily> dammit i keep mixing up the name of thunderbird dammit
[05:17] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, then you have to run apt-get update then apt-cache search mldonkey
[05:17] <Xappe> universal, cvscedega is the free version only installable through cvs
[05:17] <nubuntu> ubuntu is an awesome OS...just had to vent that
[05:17] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, wait are you on warty or hoary ?
[05:17] <r0bnyc>  apt-cache search mldonkey
[05:17] <r0bnyc> gdesklets-data - displays and sensors for gdesklets
[05:17] <r0bnyc> gkrellm-mldonkey - mldonkey plugin for gkrellm2
[05:17] <r0bnyc> kmldonkey - KDE GUI for MLDonkey
[05:17] <r0bnyc> mldonkey-gui - Graphical frontend for mldonkey based on GTK
[05:17] <r0bnyc> mldonkey-server - Door to the 'donkey' network
[05:17] <r0bnyc> LinuxJones, hoary
[05:18] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, there they are right there pldonkey-gui
[05:18] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, er mldonkey-gui
[05:18] <universal> Xappe, ahh ok, what is the exact problem for u?
[05:19] <r0bnyc> err
[05:19] <r0bnyc> thankslet me see
[05:19] <Xappe> universal, well, can we take it in a query?
[05:19] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, I think it will install mldonkey-server as well when you install the gui front end
[05:19] <universal> jeps
[05:19] <r0bnyc> no prob :)
[05:20] <r0bnyc> thanks
[05:20] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, ;)
[05:20] <r0bnyc> FIrst time I get to say thanks here lol, since its always busy
[05:21] <LinuxJones> r0bnyc, usually yeah
[05:21] <universal> Xappe, i didnt mean chat?
[05:21] <r0bnyc> so I Installed it , i dont see it internet
[05:28] <MFen> my *god* the live cd is slow
[05:28] <zeedo> not slower than any other liveCD
[05:28] <MFen> it does work though..
[05:28] <MFen> actually, a lot slower than knoppix
[05:29] <MFen> it took about 10 minutes to get a desktop
[05:29] <zeedo> dont know how you carried out your tests, but I find it faster than knoppix
[05:29] <zeedo> 10 minutes ?
[05:29] <MFen> i carried out my tests by putting the CD in and booting it up
[05:29] <zeedo> you putting the image on a CD or on a eice of molded treacle :-P
[05:30] <dr_willis> I think the live cd is scanning or doing SOMTHING.. it has a long pause right befor it gets to the desktop.
[05:30] <MFen> there are many long pauses :P
[05:30] <dr_willis> not sure what.. the boot time does seem longer.. but i also did the 'toram' feature. :P
[05:30] <dr_willis> once it boots - its decently fast that way
[05:30] <MFen> it's about what i'd expect once i'm on the desktop
[05:30] <MFen> but getting there takes an ice age
[05:32] <zeedo> MFen: havent seen that myself, could be something about the hardware that ubuntu takes too long to probe
[05:33] <MFen> zeedo: it's not any one thing. like i said, there's lots of long pauses
[05:33] <zeedo> MFen: on multiple machines or on one specific machine ?
[05:33] <MFen> i've only tried it on one machine
[05:33] <zeedo> what sort of machine is it ?
[05:33] <neonlightning> anyone know of an alternative to debian-view because i just downloaded a gnome BT client for ubuntu and it was a .deb and it told me error launching program
[05:34] <MFen> it's an 1800MHz with a ton of ram
[05:34] <MFen> 386
[05:34] <LinuxJones> neonlightning, a bittorrent gui ?
[05:34] <zeedo> wow, that does sound bad
[05:34] <neonlightning> http://www.sury.org/ubuntu/ this one
[05:35] <zeedo> I havent seen speeds like that and I ve run it on machines averaging around 1ghz 256meg
[05:35] <MFen> hmm
[05:35] <MFen> maybe it tries loading more stuff into ram if there's ram available?
[05:35] <MFen> this machine has like 2GB in it iirc
[05:35] <zeedo> dont know
[05:35] <zeedo> yeh booting on 2gb Id want everything in ram
[05:36] <MFen> i didn't feel like it was running from ram though
[05:36] <MFen> once it was up
[05:36] <neonlightning> i found it on the wiki page of ubuntu
[05:37] <LinuxJones> neonlightning, that's available in the universe repository
[05:37] <neonlightning> oh cool
[05:37] <Ante> i have a problem with linux ubuntu.. i have a new dell gx280 and when i start ubunut for the first time it reads a lot of files but then it stops with the hotplug. mprobe.. FATAL error.....kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko and pciehp.ko.. i am a n00b at linux and i have never tryed it before.. what shall i do?
[05:38] <zeedo> MFen: if you are really interested in seeing whats causing it try installing bootchart on it and see what causes the slow down
[05:38] <LinuxJones> neonlightning, but that's for hosting a bittorrent stream isn't it ?
[05:38] <zeedo> damn he parted :-/
[05:38] <neonlightning> not as far as the wiki says
[05:38] <neonlightning> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GNOMEBittorrentGUI
[05:38] <Ante> i have a problem with linux ubuntu.. i have a new dell gx280 and when i start ubunut for the first time it reads a lot of files but then it stops with the hotplug. mprobe.. FATAL error.....kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko and pciehp.ko.. i am a n00b at linux and i have never tryed it before.. what shall i do?
[05:40] <dr_willis> hmm...
[05:41] <dr_willis> Try the Ubuntu live cd yet?
[05:41] <Ante> yes..
[05:41] <dr_willis> thats whatd doing the error eh?
[05:41] <LinuxJones> neonlightning, that must be new cool
[05:41] <Ante> it hangs after 10 sec
[05:41] <LinuxJones> neonlightning, I was using bittornado-gui and it was very good
[05:41] <Ante> but i cant use it. it hangs after 10 seconds.
[05:42] <dr_willis> Interesting.. this may be a case of "ya got too much new stuff" syndrome.
[05:42] <dr_willis> lol.
[05:42] <dr_willis> the live cd has all those failsafe and other options at boot time as well.
[05:43] <neonlightning> this is funny i just tried apt-get python-gnome2 and i got
[05:43] <neonlightning> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:43] <neonlightning>   python-gnome2: Depends: python2.4-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed
[05:43] <dr_willis> I was tinking that pchp and pciehp errors are 'fatal' but that meand they dident load.. not fatal to the OS.
[05:43] <Ante> ok..
[05:44] <Ante> but how do i solve this? its not the live cd i try to work with. its the hole ubunut
[05:45] <dr_willis> could try  the Hoary release. it may have some of the issues fixed
[05:45] <j^> is hwdb-gui supposed to work?
[05:45] <Ante> ok..
[05:45] <dr_willis>  pciehp   - is mentioned at the ubuntuguide.org site also.
[05:45] <Ante> ok..
[05:45] <dr_willis> but if the system isent booting at all.. and you cant get to a console/single user mode. Hmm..
[05:46] <Ante> ....
[05:47] <universal> does someone know about cedega and setting up the praphic....?
[05:47] <neonlightning> cedega thats something i should try and get my hands on
[05:47] <neonlightning> all so i can play ultima online :P
[05:48] <dr_willis> neonlightning,  ugh. :P
[05:48] <universal> neonlightning, ok, so you dont have it yeet?
[05:48] <dr_willis> actually i though thtere was an semi-official linux port of UltimaOnline client.
[05:49] <neonlightning> nope
[05:49] <dr_willis> neonlightning,  i rember one years ago. :P
[05:49] <dr_willis> Unsupported.. "dont even ask us" sort of varity..
[05:50] <fr500> hello
[05:51] <neonlightning> can i paste to someone that might be able to help i'm having troubles installing i think libgnomevfs2-common
[05:52] <neonlightning> hrm i'll take that as a no
[05:52] <zenrox> neonlightning,  dont know how to fix it
[05:53] <neonlightning> because i need that to install some other libgnome thing and then i need that other one to install some python thing and i need some python thing to install that gnome bt gui
[05:54] <Tuxicity> hi. when upgrading Firefox to 1.0.2, should I keep my old 'mozilla-firefoxrc' ?
[05:56] <fr500> i'm on an e1 now, how do i update to hary?
[05:57] <apokryphos> Hoary ;-)
[05:57] <thenuke> fr500: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:57] <Ante> dr_willis the things that stand in the ubuntuguide.org = $ sudo cp /etc/hotplug..... where shall i write this?
[05:58] <fr500> thx, i'm gonna get the iso though, so i can reuse it
[05:58] <apokryphos> fr500: reuse?
[05:58] <thenuke> Ante: in to the console
[05:58] <fr500> on other pcs
[05:58] <thenuke> Ante: open up a terminal
[05:58] <Ante> how?
[05:58] <smckay> Tuxicity: where did you get Firefox 1.0.2? http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/all.html shows 1.0.1 as the latest
[05:58] <thenuke> you should find terminal from the applications menu
[05:59] <Ante> i havent used linux befor :S
[05:59] <Ante> but i cant even start linux :
[05:59] <Ante> :s
[05:59] <Tuxicity> smckay, in Synaptic...
[06:00] <smckay> Tuxicity: guess I don't have the repository for that.  I'm only showing 1.0 available
[06:00] <Ante> the error shows when i shall start linux. and after this i can write things.. but nothing hapends :S and the computor is nearly dead :S
[06:01] <smckay> Tuxicity: did you have to add another repository to get Firefox 1.0.2?
[06:02] <Tuxicity> smckay, oh wait... it's 1.0-2
[06:02] <apokryphos> 10.1 is the latest; and it's not hard to install manually at all
[06:03] <apokryphos> %tell smckay ubufirefox
[06:03] <Pyre> smckay: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingfirefox
[06:05] <neonlightning> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomevfs2-common_2.9.91-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:05] <neonlightning>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[06:05] <neonlightning>    can someone help me figure this one out
[06:06] <Venson> neonlightning: bad/incomplete download, i think. try downloading the file again
[06:07] <apokryphos> you might need to select "fix broken packages" in Synaptic
[06:08] <exarkun> I just installed ubuntu.  After the installer rebooted my machine, grub said "Error 17: cannot mount selected partition".  Now what?
[06:09] <markuman> hello. where i can find .asoundrc
[06:10] <cg0def> hi, does anyone know how to install libwxgtk and libwxpython at the same time?
[06:10] <cg0def> I get an error that /usr/bin/helpvier is in both of them and apt quits
[06:11] <neonlightning> i don't have a clue how to use synaptic  i mark it for reinstall and it when its done it just seems to close is that what its supposed to do?
[06:11] <cg0def> no
[06:11] <neonlightning> ok figured
[06:11] <cg0def> wait what closes synaptic or the progress window?
[06:12] <neonlightning> synaptic then i'm sent back to terminal without any error msgs
[06:12] <cg0def> that's weird what version of synaptic are you using?
[06:13] <neonlightning> i'll check that in a sec
[06:13] <neonlightning> 53.4
[06:13] <r0bnyc> there's no gnomebaker on ubuntu?
[06:13] <cg0def> well no wonder the latest one is 0.56
[06:13] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: not in my repos
[06:14] <apokryphos> neonlightning: are you running warty?
[06:14] <neonlightning> no
[06:14] <neonlightning> heh when i mark synaptic for update it closes synaptic so i'll try apt-get again
[06:14] <cg0def> neonlightning: you should probably upgrade synaptic
[06:14] <r0bnyc> darn, so waht cd burning app do I use on hoary? k3b ?
[06:15] <apokryphos> neonlightning: well, if on hoary, then I recommend udpating your sources first, then going for installation of synaptic.
[06:15] <cg0def> neonlightning: if there is no newer version make sure that you have universe and multiverse added to you sources.list file
[06:15] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: That's what I use. Best one on the market for the job imo.
[06:15] <ions> can anyone point me in the direction of how to install GnomeBaker?  I know where the repo is but I don't know what to do with it
[06:15] <neonlightning> no it found a updateable version
[06:15] <r0bnyc> how about xcdroast, koncd, eclipt roaster, gnome toaster?
[06:15] <apokryphos> ions: it's not on the repos
[06:16] <cg0def> ions: check the GnomeBaker site
[06:16] <r0bnyc> apokryphos, does k3b shows up in your menu? automatically
[06:16] <ions> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/ well this thing - how do I use this thing?
[06:16] <dr_willis> hmm
[06:16] <ions> I can't use apt to install it?
[06:16] <cg0def> ions: if it's not in apt then it probably isn't that popular :)
[06:16] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: it does, but I use kde :P
[06:16] <elcuco> does anyone know if ubuntu will setup the 3d for my old radeon 7200?
[06:16] <r0bnyc> apokryphos,  lol
[06:16] <r0bnyc> kd3.3 or 3.4
[06:17] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: you can always just use alt + F2. Not a big hassle ;-)
[06:17] <dr_willis> elcuco,  it soud use the open source drivers.. but i dont think that card used the fglrx drivers.
[06:17] <cg0def> elcuco: not really I think hoary uses ati for driver rather than radeon
[06:17] <r0bnyc> apokryphos, so ubuntu now supports kde?
[06:17] <neonlightning> heh i can't update synaptic because the file i was using synaptic to update is needed to update synaptic
[06:17] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: It sure does. There's a kubuntu team. You can get kde from the Universe repo.
[06:17] <dr_willis> r0bnyc,  i alwyas "apt-get install kde" anyway :P
[06:17] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: so you can apt for k3b
[06:17] <cg0def> neonlightning: this shouldn't happen but use apt-get
[06:17] <r0bnyc> what versin is it
[06:17] <elcuco> the xfree86 drivers had 3d support. mandrake sets this up for me, but i could not reproduce this under debian
[06:18] <neonlightning> thats what i'm using since synaptic wasn't working
[06:18] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: 3.3.2 in Hoary
[06:18] <neonlightning> i'm triny apt-get -f update synaptic
[06:18] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: which is the latest stable. 3.4 is going to be out soon.
[06:18] <apokryphos> neonlightning: does it complain that it requires libapt, or something?
[06:18] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm easy ask > Where can i set the programms for autostart in Gnome ? .. didnt find it :S
[06:18] <neonlightning> yea some lib file
[06:19] <cg0def> neonlightning: I don't know what to tell you, try dpkg maybe it works
[06:19] <neonlightning> but i don't think its libapt
[06:19] <speel> hey
[06:19] <neonlightning> dpkg gives me errors when i try and update that file using synaptic
[06:19] <apokryphos> neonlightning: I know that's a known problem at the moment, but it shouldn't stop you from updating synaptic I don't think. Do you have a fast connection?
[06:19] <cg0def> neonlightning: if not you can always manually download the deb for synaptic and install it with dpkg
[06:19] <neonlightning> but i'll keep trying some things
[06:19] <neonlightning> i have cable
[06:19] <r0bnyc> apokryphos, i want 3.4 :)
[06:19] <speel> any is any body from the ubuntu team here?
[06:19] <apokryphos> neonlightning: Might be a good idea to apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:20] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: All in good time. ;-)
[06:20] <neonlightning> and last two times i've tried to use .deb files directly it tells me that debian-view encountered an error launching file
[06:20] <neonlightning> but gimmie a sec i'm working on a new direction
[06:20] <Casquapointer> http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/xxxxxxxxxxxx
[06:20] <r0bnyc> apokryphos, www.ludos.org (UndergrounD DEsktop) already has it
[06:20] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: it's not the stable version, since that's not out yet
[06:21] <apokryphos> r0bnyc: Sure, other distros have the beta version. You can emerge it on Gentoo I believe.
[06:21] <r0bnyc> gentoo doesnt run good on my laptop
[06:22] <r0bnyc> I dont choose pure/naked gentoo, i choose vidalinux but their version has a bug with laptops  (dhcp) and i couldnt get it fixed
[06:22] <apokryphos> well, I wouldn't recommend switching distro to get a beta version of KDE anyhow.
[06:22] <apokryphos> the stable is going to be out soon
[06:23] <r0bnyc> true
[06:24] <mdke> what stage is hoary at right now?
[06:24] <apokryphos> mdke: array 5
[06:24] <cg0def> mdke: beta?
[06:24] <apokryphos> array 6 in three days
[06:24] <mdke> yes i saw in the topic
[06:24] <mdke> what does that mean?
[06:24] <apokryphos> Think of it as beta versions.
[06:25] <cg0def> mdke: means it's comming out in april and untill is still in beta stage
[06:25] <mdke> yes
[06:25] <mdke> quite stable?
[06:25] <apokryphos> Very, yes.
[06:26] <cg0def> yeah
[06:26] <exarkun> I installed warty just now.  After the installer rebooted the machine, grub can't boot anything.  It says "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition".  Now what?
[06:26] <mdke> apokryphos, ty
[06:26] <apokryphos> np
[06:26] <mdke> btw i tried a warty live cd on a friend's laptop yesterday and it wouldn't even load grub
[06:27] <mdke> i forget the error number
[06:27] <mdke> is it worth me finding out his model and submitting it?
[06:28] <cg0def> mdke: if you have nothing better to do yeah but warty has tons of problems with laptops
[06:29] <cg0def> mdke: I did manage to somewhat install it on a laptop but it is an insane mess after that
[06:30] <cg0def> mdke: also the live cd wouldn't boot for me either
[06:30] <exarkun> I'm installing on a desktop.
[06:30] <will> arr firefox just quit without warning
[06:31] <cg0def> exarkun: did you install grub in the root partition or in the mbr?
[06:31] <exarkun> mbr
[06:31] <mdke> cg0def, fine on my laptop
[06:31] <cg0def> mdke: well I have k8
[06:31] <mdke> his is quite old i think
[06:31] <mdke> how does it work on new centrino laptops?
[06:32] <cg0def> mdke: what warty?
[06:32] <mdke> yes
[06:32] <cg0def> mdke: have no idea but hoary works great
[06:33] <mdke> cool
[06:33] <mdke> i tried warty on my mums and couldn't get the built in wifi going
[06:33] <exarkun> what other information would be helpful?  there didn't seem to be many configuration options in this area, the installer just did its thing and failed.
[06:33] <cg0def> mdke: at least for the 2 hours that I had access to the laptop with cetrino :)
[06:33] <cg0def> exarkun: the installer failed?
[06:34] <cg0def> exarkun: is that hoary or warty
[06:34] <exarkun> leaving the system in an unbootable state seems like failure to me :)
[06:34] <neonlightning> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:34] <neonlightning>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomevfs2-common_2.9.91-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:34] <neonlightning> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:34] <neonlightning>  i get this same error every time i try and update anything or install anything
[06:34] <exarkun> warty
[06:34] <mdke> exarkun, the grub screen appears?
[06:34] <exarkun> yes, with several nice-looking menu items
[06:35] <mdke> exarkun, what is the line that you are trying to run
[06:35] <cg0def> exarkun: warty is pretty stable and I have never seen it leaving an unbootable system
[06:35] <cg0def> exarkun: are you sure your mbr is not corrupt?
[06:35] <exarkun> mdke: it's off the screen atm, but it was something like "Ubuntu 2.6.8-386".  I also tried the safe-mode version.
[06:35] <mdke> exarkun, you can press e to see the full line
[06:35] <mdke> exarkun, it might help to paste it in the channel
[06:36] <mdke> or copy it
[06:36] <cg0def> exarkun: you can always use a live cd to boot the system and reinstall the grub mbr or you can use a boot disk
[06:36] <exarkun> cg0def: I don't exactly know what that means.  If it's any indication, the system was working fine 2 minutes before I popped the ubuntu cd in.
[06:36] <exarkun> mdke: ok
[06:36] <cg0def> exarkun: well it's not your hdd in that case
[06:36] <mdke> bbl
[06:36] <neonlightning> it even sounds to me like a mbr corruption
[06:37] <exarkun> root (hd1,0)
[06:37] <neonlightning> probly a file got half copied to it
[06:37] <cg0def> probably
[06:37] <exarkun> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[06:37] <exarkun> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:37] <exarkun> savedefault
[06:37] <exarkun> boot
[06:38] <cocol> is FF 1.0 dated 20050221 the new version 1.0.1?
[06:39] <exarkun> It seems more likely to me that the kernel is missing the necessary driver to talk to the drive upon which / resides.  I didn't see any options in the kernel for specifying or even listing the drivers available on the initrd, though.
[06:39] <exarkun> Is there such an option that I missed?
[06:39] <cg0def> how do you get totem to play xvid files?
[06:39] <cg0def> what is the name of the pkg
[06:40] <rotundo> hello
[06:40] <neonlightning> heh i can't get totem to play any file
[06:40] <neonlightning> but first things first
[06:40] <exarkun> er, s/kernel/installer/
[06:41] <rotundo> gaim on ubuntu (Ihave severl straight Debian sid machines without this problem) won't automatically raise windows, even withthe option selected. any ideas?
[06:41] <Tuxicity> cg0def, sometihng like win32codec(s)
[06:41] <cg0def> Tuxicity: no way it is a win32codec xvid is OSS
[06:41] <cg0def> Tuxicity: and has nothing to do with M$
[06:41] <JDigital> Hello folks. Can anyone help me with my ssh problem?
[06:41] <JDigital> When ssh-ing into a server, it stalls once I've entered my password. I'm connecting to the server, because if I enter an incorrect password it gives me an error as usual, but once I enter the correct password it just stalls instead of bringing up the shell like it should. I'm using Warty.
[06:42] <Tuxicity> cg0def, libxvidcore4
[06:42] <cg0def> thanks
[06:43] <Tuxicity> cg0def, well I found it in Synaptic ;)
[06:44] <cg0def> yeah well the thing is that I already had it installed but totem still refuses to display video for xvid files
[06:44] <cg0def> kinda sux
[06:44] <sigglet> cg0def: get the right codecs, it's that simple
[06:44] <sigglet> don't blame it on totem
[06:45] <Tuxicity> cg0def, maybe libxvidcore2 ?
[06:45] <sigglet> apt-cache search xvid
[06:45] <sigglet> libxvidcore2 - MPEG-4 Video encoder
[06:45] <sigglet> libxvidcore4 - High quality ISO MPEG4 codec library
[06:45] <apokryphos> See the guide on restricted formats
[06:45] <sigglet> libxvidencore0 - MPEG-4 Video encoder
[06:45] <sigglet> cg0def: I just pasted what you need
[06:46] <cg0def> I did search for xvid and the only thing that i comes up with is libxvidcore4 no 2
[06:46] <apokryphos> %tell cg0def uburestricted
[06:46] <Pyre> cg0def: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:46] <sigglet> apt-get install libxvidcore2 libxvidcore4 libxvidencore0
[06:46] <cg0def> thanks this should help :)
[06:47] <fc9k> hey guys
[06:47] <sigglet> yo
[06:47] <fc9k> any chance ubuntu would run on a p3 500MHz?
[06:47] <sigglet> sure it will
[06:47] <fc9k> :o
[06:47] <fc9k> awesome
[06:48] <fc9k> just I managed to scam me a free p3 500, 256mb of ram and a rage pro agp card today :D
[06:48] <sigglet> nice
[06:49] <fc9k> what sort of HDD space would i need?  got a couple of 2gb HDD's here i managed to get free aswell, i'm trying to build a ubuntu rig without spending a penny :D
[06:49] <totalshredder> you could use a 2gig
[06:49] <totalshredder> Put your /home on one, and your base system on another
[06:49] <fc9k> right
[06:50] <totalshredder> maybe even spread it around three or four
[06:50] <totalshredder> real easy with ubuntu's partitioner
[06:50] <goofykinky> can anyone tell me if there is a version of XFce for Ubuntu?
[06:50] <totalshredder> there is
[06:50] <apokryphos> goofykinky: there is, in the repos
[06:50] <totalshredder> just use the universe reops
[06:50] <sigglet> goofykinky: apt-cache search xfce
[06:51] <apokryphos> fc9k: That way it's also far easier to install other distros, if you like, since you need to only delete the root partition.
[06:51] <goofykinky> ok
[06:52] <fc9k> ah
[06:52] <fc9k> thats fantastic
[06:53] <JDigital> Hello folks. Can anyone help me with my ssh problem? When ssh-ing into a server, it stalls once I've entered my password. I'm connecting to the server, because if I enter an incorrect password it gives me an error as usual, but once I enter the correct password it just stalls instead of bringing up the shell like it should. I'm using Warty.
[06:53] <fc9k> i have 3 HDDs, two 2gb and a 1gb.  I could run the 1gb aswell, but obviously it would only run at the speed of the CDROM, dunno how crucial that is
[06:53] <totalshredder> you can have a lot of fun with that setup
[06:54] <apokryphos> You only really need the two 2GB ones, I should think, but you might be a little restricted. One for root, one for home.
[06:54] <apokryphos> Though, it's worth investing in another hard-drive. They're dirt-cheap these days.
[06:54] <fc9k> yeah
[06:54] <totalshredder> the idea of a free pc is far too awesome though
[06:55] <fc9k> what pisses me off is i flogged my p3 750 system along with a 60gb and an 80gb HDD a few weeks back
[06:55] <fc9k> and now theyd be perfect
[06:55] <totalshredder> wow, yeah
[06:55] <fc9k> damn
[06:55] <fc9k> oh well, i guess i've got something reasonable back for free
[06:57] <js_> is anybody here experience gaim crashes when trying to connect to msn?
[06:57] <js_> i also put amsn on the ramdisk, but when i log in it hangs
[06:57] <js_> on the live cd
[06:58] <JDigital> Soon I'll have to start bribing people to fix my ssh problem
[06:59] <larsrohdin> ive just bought a 200gb hdd... how to install it in linux? it doesn't show in cfdisk...
[06:59] <JDigital> is it plugged in
[07:00] <_ThinkPad> What's the best/easiest way to get my ubuntu install from Gnome over to X.org
[07:00] <JDigital> also plugged into the power
[07:00] <larsrohdin> JDigital, yes, i found it in windows, but i want to change it to an ext3...
[07:00] <_ThinkPad> Just upgraded to hoary, as well.
[07:00] <JDigital> because one time I forgot to plug the power thing, hehe
[07:00] <JDigital> hmmm
[07:00] <larsrohdin> JDigital, =)
[07:01] <Tuxicity> fc9k, what do u mean by you 'flogged' your PC? you destroyed it with a stick??
[07:01] <larsrohdin> JDigital, shouldn't it show up in cfdisk? my other ntfs-partition shows there...
[07:01] <spiral> hi
[07:02] <ompaul> JDigital, do ssh -C username@blah.box and see if that helps any, the other machine could be having a bad day :)
[07:02] <ompaul> JDigital, you could have mis spelt the username
[07:02] <JDigital> nope
[07:03] <JDigital> when I get the password wrong it tells me, when I get the password right it hangs
[07:03] <Coily> does anyone know what the name of the mail spool file has to be so that thunderbird's movemail will recognise it?
[07:03] <JDigital> and amusingly, PuTTY under WINE works
[07:03] <ompaul> JDigital, okay let us do this again - you could have made a mistake with the Username not the password
[07:03] <JDigital> nope
[07:04] <ompaul> JDigital, fine then the machine may be under heavy load - try the -C it does speed things up a lot
[07:04] <hawke_> JDigital: How about native putty?
[07:04] <Coily> i keep getting mail spool file not ofund =[
[07:04] <JDigital> jdigital@thundaril:~ $ ssh -C jdigital@pyoko.org
[07:04] <JDigital> jdigital@pyoko.org's password:
[07:04] <JDigital> Permission denied, please try again.
[07:05] <JDigital> (that's me entering the wrong password deliberately)
[07:05] <JDigital> (then I enter the right one)
[07:05] <JDigital> jdigital@pyoko.org's password:
[07:05] <JDigital> and it's hanging there
[07:05] <JDigital> with the cursor all flashing at me
[07:05] <ompaul> have you used the -C on the second one?
[07:05] <JDigital> yes
[07:05] <JDigital> PuTTY on my brother's computer works right
[07:06] <JDigital> PuTTY on my computer when it was Windows worked right a week ago
[07:06] <JDigital> PuTTY on my box under WINE works right
[07:06] <hawke_> JDigital: You could try the Linux-native Putty
[07:06] <JDigital> There's a linux putty?
[07:06] <_ThinkPad> ssh -v user@domain?
[07:06] <JDigital> why would someone make linux putty
[07:06] <hawke_> JDigital: Yep.
[07:06] <_ThinkPad> that might give us debug information
[07:06] <JDigital> it does
[07:06] <hawke_> JDigital: "It supports
[07:06] <hawke_> flexible terminal setup, mid-session reconfiguration using Ctrl-rightclick,
[07:06] <hawke_> multiple X11 authentication protocols, and various other interesting things
[07:06] <hawke_> not provided by ssh in an xterm."
[07:07] <_ThinkPad> JDigital, does that say where/when it's failing?
[07:07] <ompaul> JDigital, emm - what font set is ubuntu using and what one is windows using?
[07:07] <JDigital> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=78226&postcount=5
[07:07] <JDigital> font set?
[07:08] <thenuke> should I use 586 or 386 kernel for Pentium 120MHz?
[07:08] <Gwildor> 386
[07:08] <ompaul> JDigital, international settings
[07:08] <scorpix> is there a driver for HP Deskjet 3325 printer in Hoary repository?
[07:08] <HiddenWolf> thenuke: you're planning to run gnome on that machine?
[07:08] <thenuke> roger that
[07:08] <thenuke> HiddenWolf: nope, flux
[07:09] <hawke_> thenuke: 586
[07:09] <thenuke> HiddenWolf: already running nice and fast ;)
[07:09] <HiddenWolf> scorpix: postscript will do
[07:09] <HiddenWolf> thenuke: omg, shame I'm a gnome-addict
[07:09] <scorpix> HiddenWolf: i only need postscript?
[07:09] <HiddenWolf> scorpix: lots of drivers in that package.
[07:09] <ompaul> JDigital, type the password in a console and do not hit enter - maybe it is not going across right
 fc9k, what do u mean by you 'flogged' your PC? you destroyed it with a stick??
[07:10] <fc9k> Tuxicity: I sold it :)
[07:10] <JDigital> hehe
[07:10] <JDigital> okay, I typed it
[07:10] <ompaul> JDigital, and is it okay?
[07:10] <JDigital> I don't know, I can't see it
[07:10] <scorpix> scorpix@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install postscript
[07:10] <scorpix> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:10] <scorpix> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:10] <scorpix> E: Couldn't find package postscript
[07:10] <Tuxicity> fc9k, oh :D
[07:11] <fc9k> lol
[07:11] <fc9k> so any tips for a first time linux user?
[07:11] <hawke_> I should attempt to get someone to manufacture 60ns FPM RAM that works on systems that want DDR SDRAM
[07:11] <fc9k> am i making the right choice going with ubuntu?
[07:11] <larsrohdin> at the top of my cfdisk it says  Disk Drive: /dev/hda, how can i make it show hdb?
[07:11] <ompaul> JDigital, as if was a command line - not after ssh ...
[07:11] <JDigital> ubuntu is good
[07:11] <hawke_> fc9k: I think so, yes
[07:11] <fc9k> cool
[07:11] <JDigital> yeah, it's typing alright
[07:12] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, cfdisk /dev/hdb
[07:12] <JDigital> if I mistype the password it says like
 jdigital@pyoko.org's password:
 Permission denied, please try again.
[07:12] <JDigital> if I get it RIGHT, there's no "Permission denied", it just hangs
[07:12] <hawke_> JDigital: Does 'ssh -v' show anything useful?
[07:12] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, thanks alot pal!
[07:12] <JDigital> Here's what I can get out of ssh -vvv: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=78226&postcount=5
[07:12] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, your welcome!
[07:13] <fc9k> brb
[07:13] <JDigital> ssh -v gives me:
[07:13] <JDigital> debug1: Authentication succeeded (password).
[07:13] <JDigital> debug1: channel 0: new [client-session] 
[07:13] <JDigital> debug1: Entering interactive session.
[07:13] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, its not possible to use fat32 on a 200 gb disk is it?
[07:13] <JDigital> then nothing
[07:13] <ompaul> JDigital, so hit enter a couple of times
[07:13] <JDigital> no effect
[07:14] <JDigital> hitting enter doesn't even go to a new line
[07:14] <JDigital> it ignores my hitting of enter
[07:14] <lori> DVD playback is jumpy with gstreamer on Hoary.  What can I do to correct it?
[07:14] <JDigital> use "mplayer -vo sdl"
[07:14] <JDigital> that worked for me, anyway
[07:14] <hawke_> Hehe, in other words "don't use gstreamer"
[07:15] <JDigital> I think mplayer uses gstreamer to play DVD, though
[07:15] <hawke_> JDigital: Hmm, perhaps.  I thought it had a native DVD sexer.
[07:15] <lori> But the mplayer UI sucks
[07:15] <JDigital> too bad
[07:15] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, no, max is 32GB I believe
[07:15] <hawke_> lori: Seems OK to me.  You could try xine as well
[07:15] <JDigital> real men use command line
[07:15] <JDigital> or memorize the keystrokes reqired
[07:15] <JDigital> required
[07:16] <hawke_> lori: Do you mean the mplayer GUI or the keystrokes?
[07:16] <JDigital> The gmplayer gui is awful
[07:16] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, ok, thats what i thought to... well now everythings working=) thanks again
[07:16] <lori> hawke_: I just like Totem, but it's too jumpy for me
[07:16] <hawke_> JDigital: Not much worse than most other multimedia interfaces
[07:16] <JDigital> It might be jumpy because it's using up too much CPU
[07:17] <JDigital> I usually prefer keystrokes since you can run stuff fullscreened and still stop and start it and such
[07:17] <ompaul> JDigital, can you check the logs on the server to check the difference in messages ?
[07:17] <lori> JDigital: how do I stop that?  I've turned on DMA on the DVD drive etc..
[07:17] <hawke_> JDigital: Xine's pretty good for that, IMO
[07:18] <JDigital> I don't own the server, unfortunately
[07:18] <JDigital> but if I were to ask the admin to check the logs for me, what would he be looking for?
[07:19] <ompaul> anything different between your attempt to login and the ones that work - btw putty for linux aint too bad :)
[07:19] <JDigital> everyone tells me to "ssh -v" but nobody tells me what to look for
[07:20] <hawke_> JDigital: You could also try ssh -vvv for more debug info
[07:20] <JDigital> I did
[07:20] <JDigital> that gives me even more information that I can't make sense of
[07:20] <hawke_> JDigital: Just look for anything unusual, really.
[07:20] <hawke_> JDigital: And it stops at the same place?
[07:20] <JDigital> I don't know what's usual
[07:20] <JDigital> yeah, always
[07:20] <JDigital> This is as far as I get, with ssh -vvv: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=78226&postcount=5
[07:21] <ompaul> JDigital, read the output and see if there is something that makes sense there?
[07:21] <JDigital> debug2: callback done
[07:21] <JDigital> debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
[07:21] <ompaul> JDigital, or more to the point "stops making sense"
[07:22] <JDigital> it doesn't make much sense
[07:25] <tuxdisciple> Are there any package trees with ogle in them for Hoary?
[07:26] <puterfixer> hello.
[07:26] <sigglet> yo
[07:26] <sigglet> puterfixer: where is ro ?
[07:26] <puterfixer> could someone help me with configuring pidentd, please? I'd like to set a predefined userid instead of my actual account name
[07:27] <cg0def> I can't seem to rememer the command to add and remove daemons from the init process
[07:27] <cg0def> does anyone know
[07:27] <puterfixer> ro as in Romania? eastern europe, west coast of the Black Sea, north of Greece, east of Hungary
[07:28] <sigglet> puterfixer: you have good duck hunting there?
[07:28] <larsrohdin> how can i format a hdd with ext3?
[07:29] <puterfixer> no clue, sigglet :) never went hunting. must be a duck season, though, but it's not cheap.
[07:30] <apokryphos> larsrohdin: with a partition manager. Ubuntu has one I believe. One sec.
[07:31] <puterfixer> any hints for pidentd configuration, please?
[07:34] <sigglet> puterfixer: have you searched google?
[07:34] <puterfixer> yeah
[07:34] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, perhaps this command is what u want: "mkfs.ext3"
[07:34] <sigglet> http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=pidentd+howto&btnG=Google+Search
[07:34] <apokryphos> puterfixer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingANewHardDrive
[07:34] <puterfixer> dorgh!!
[07:34] <apokryphos> You could use QTParted too, if you have that installed.
[07:34] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, perhaps... ill try it...
[07:35] <puterfixer> just checked netstat... it's inetd running, not pident
[07:35] <apokryphos> whoops, sorry puterfixer, wrong link.
[07:35] <apokryphos> larsrohdin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingANewHardDrive
[07:35] <larsrohdin> apokryphos, aaahhh=) thanks!
[07:35] <apokryphos> np
[07:36] <seacyd> I cannot add a menu item anywhere under one of the applications menues. Why?
[07:36] <apokryphos> seacyd: It's a known bug
[07:36] <apokryphos> happens in kde, too
[07:36] <seacyd> apokryphos: ok, thanks. So I wait and see.
[07:36] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, something like "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb"
[07:36] <apokryphos> Not sure how the progress on that is going, though.
[07:36] <puterfixer> ok, I'll figure out this ident thing. how about automounting NTFS partitions in rw mode (did that by following the tutorial) but without the mount points appearing on my "desktop" ? can I make those icons disappear?
[07:37] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, sorry, like this.. "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1"
[07:38] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, i found something like this... sudo mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1
[07:38] <XposerX> (warty warthog) i'm about to buy a new monitor, what should i run after i hook it up to have ubuntu re-detect it and setup the correct xf86config-4 settings??
[07:38] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, it's exactly the same thing
[07:38] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, ok good
[07:38] <dasenjo> Hi I'm trying to use jigit to download hoary and got: Unable to find a file to match dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/20041227ubuntu15.0.20050224/doc/manual/en/apa.html
[07:38] <dasenjo> How can I solve it ?
[07:39] <apokryphos> XposerX: Once you're in, you might want to reconfigure X. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:39] <puterfixer> XposerX, I modified my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file with nano, to match the horizontal and vertical maximum frequencies as given in my monitor's manual, then made a list of all supported resolutions that I wanted to use (first one being the default)
[07:40] <apokryphos> They'll both do the same thing; you might find the former easier, since it guides you through what to do, though.
[07:41] <XposerX> yah, i'll do the former
[07:41] <XposerX> i was just hoping ubuntu had a better tool for this
[07:41] <apokryphos> dpkg reconfigure is just fine. What's bad about it?
[07:41] <IorGie> Someone over here got LVM working on linux?
[07:41] <puterfixer> to me it was easier to just plug those values in the text file than go through the reconfigure
[07:41] <XposerX> it's one of the reason i switched from being a debian testing and sid user to ubuntu
[07:42] <XposerX> well, the monitor i'm buying is an LCD as i'm getting rid of my CRT ...anything i should be aware of ?
[07:43] <apokryphos> Not really (as far as I know), apart from being careful when altering refresh rates, if you do.
[07:43] <puterfixer> use the recommended resolution, that will give the sharpest image.
[07:43] <puterfixer> other resolutions are resampled to the LCD's physical resolution
[07:44] <larsrohdin> when i made the hdd to ext3, a folder named lost+found was created on it... do i need to save that or can i delete it?
[07:44] <puterfixer> and then, you may want to fiddle with font settings until you get the appearance you want regarding sharpness
[07:44] <JDigital> My university spent 14 million on a new library wing with 300 computers with LCD screens, but when it's sunny you can't see them for screenglare. They're all set to 800*600 despite them being 1024*768 physically
[07:45] <JDigital> larsrohdin: but then where would your lost and found things go
[07:45] <larsrohdin> JDigital, you got a point there i guess... but what the heck is my lost and found things then? if i loose my keys, can i find them there?;)
[07:47] <jon__> Hi has anyone here compiled the latest mesa CVS using make linux-dri-x86?
[07:47] <IorGie> nobody running lvm here?
[07:47] <hawke_> larsrohdin: That's where files are put when fsck relinks them
[07:47] <apokryphos> the lost+found folder is primarily for when an unproper shutdown is found
[07:47] <spazery> hi, i dont know if anyone else has had this problem but im using a standard mouse and for some reason it keeps freezing in one location
[07:47] <hawke_> larsrohdin: Similar to windows' scandisk file0001.chck
[07:47] <hawke_> er chk rather
[07:47] <spazery> i can use the keyboard but not the mouse
[07:47] <apokryphos> fsck goes through the system on the next book and try to recover any any corrupt files it finds
[07:48] <apokryphos> chances are often small that what's recovered will be readable
[07:49] <Tuxicity> spazery, check your XF86Config-4 ?
[07:49] <spazery> ok
[07:50] <spazery> what am i looking for im new to linux
[07:50] <Tuxicity> spazery, for "Device" and "Protocol"
[07:50] <spazery> ok
[07:51] <Tuxicity> spazery, under "Input Device"
[07:52] <comfrey> is there a way to make nautilus not open a new window all of the time?
[07:53] <OrangeSlice> why yes, yes there is
[07:53] <Tuxicity> comfrey, ya look in Edit-->Preferences
[07:53] <jon__> Does anyone here use Mach64 graphics drivers?
[07:54] <comfrey> Tuxicity, yeah, that is where i am looking
[07:54] <comfrey> can you be more specific
[07:54] <comfrey> maybe the mate has not kicked in yet
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> Bheavior > always open in browser windows
[07:54] <al1an> has anybody experienced that gnome takes about 7-8 minutes before it starts ? right after i log in, my computer is just waiting. no error messages or anything. and after a loong time, it starts and works perfectly
[07:54] <al1an> hoary
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> s/hea/eha/
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> g.  bwah
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> I make horrible typos first thing in the morning
[07:54] <larsrohdin> apokryphos, ok so it's nothing i should get rid of then...
[07:55] <comfrey> yeah, that's it
[07:55] <comfrey> ceers gang
[07:55] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, no, no, just let it be
[07:55] <comfrey> cheers
[07:55] <tuxdisciple> Anyone in here using a T22 Thinkpad?
[07:56] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: Not I
[07:56] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, hehe im always like "Hey whats that folder doing there ---> delete" =)
[07:56] <Tuxicity> spazery, hey wait.. do you know what XF86Config-4 is?
[07:57] <tuxdisciple> I hate hardware issues on laptops...
[07:57] <spazery> no
[07:57] <Tuxicity> spazery, I just realized you said you are new to Linux...
[07:58] <tuxdisciple> I can't figure out wht the Hoary livecd will setup my soundcard correctly, but my install won't do it right
[07:58] <Tuxicity> spazery, so you didnt get a word I said, ha?
[07:58] <spazery> i typed in xf86config
[07:59] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: The livecd is quite different from the real thing
[08:00] <tuxdisciple> hawke: Definetly, but you'd think they would be the same in the case of ALSA
[08:00] <tuxdisciple> hawke: Kernel upgrades haven't worked, nor has compiling the alsa drivers by hand
[08:00] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: The system loads the right modules, but alsa doesn't even see the card
[08:01] <Tuxicity> spazery, make sure you select the right mouse protocol and device
[08:02] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: What kind of card?
[08:02] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: Even the Device manager sees it...
[08:02] <spazery> i selected p/s2
[08:03] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: It's a Cirrus Logic CS4614/22/24
[08:03] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: I've been leaning towards a kernel level issue in .10
[08:03] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: What kind of laptop is it?
[08:03] <Xenguy> LiquidNerd: you may have better luck with Kword than Abiword (I found Abiword lackin/buggy after some recent testing) -- YMMV
[08:03] <Xenguy> ww
[08:03] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: Thinkpad T22
[08:04] <Tuxicity> spazery, well try different things
[08:04] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: It's loading cs46xx which is the right driver, but ALSA isn't seeing jack
[08:04] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: cs46xx isn't the alsa drive
[08:05] <spazery> ok, thanks.
[08:05] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: The snd_cs46xx is
[08:05] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: Unle...yeah.
[08:05] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: Sorry, I've been googling all day for it, so I've been cutting off snd_
[08:06] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: and it doesn't show up in /proc/asound/cards?
[08:06] <kengur> cherry fighter mouse roxorz
[08:06] <tuxdisciple> --- no soundcards ---
[08:06] <tuxdisciple> :/
[08:07] <JDigital> How do I copy-paste from a PDF
[08:07] <JDigital> into openoffice
[08:07] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: There's no oss drivers being autoloaded or anything, right?
[08:07] <tuxdisciple> I'm at a loss as to how the kernel is loading the right ALSA modules, but the ALSA system won't even acknowledge the card exists
[08:07] <CarlK> does Hoary have some sort of net install?  I don't want to burn a CD (runnin low)
[08:07] <JDigital> buy more CDs
[08:07] <CarlK> heh
[08:07] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: Is there a BIOS option for "quick start"?
[08:07] <CarlK> I did order some from Amazon yesterday
[08:07] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: It's disabled
[08:08] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: OSS drivers are the pcm_oss stuff... which are ALSA modules I believe
[08:09] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: I meant the cs46xx native oss drivers, not the oss emulation layer (pcm_oss0
[08:09] <hawke_> )
[08:09] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: When I try to start ALSA it gives me pages of output that (lots of help options) but each section starts with:
[08:10] <tuxdisciple> Invalid card number.
[08:10] <tuxdisciple> Usage: amixer <options> command
[08:10] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: I don't see any other cs46xx drivers loaded
[08:10] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: unload all the snd_* drivers, and 'modprobe cs46xx'
[08:14] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: Allright now only cs46xx, soundcore, and ac97_codec are loaded
[08:15] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: And?  Any luck?  It won't show in /proc/asound, but can you e.g. 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' and get sound?
[08:16] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: I just get stuff from the pc-speaker
[08:17] <puterfixer> guys, I have downloaded and installed XMMS as instructed here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xmms . but when I click XMMS in Multimedia, nothing happens. what's up with that?
[08:17] <XposerX> very interesting -> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 on ubuntu doesn't query me about my monitor or it's specs
[08:18] <spazery> im trying to compile a programme off a cd and it says no acceptable compiler found
[08:18] <puterfixer> yeah, that's why I went to the configuration file, XposerX
[08:18] <spazery> iv typed sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:18] <Agrajag> spazery: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:19] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: you should be getting staticky crap...
[08:19] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: but not from the pc speaker...
[08:19] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: Just speaker beeping like mad
[08:19] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: Did you redirect to /dev/dsp?
[08:19] <hawke_> or just cast /dev/urandom?
[08:19] <hawke_> cast -> cat
[08:20] <hawke_> Hmm.
[08:20] <spazery> thanks
[08:20] <hawke_> tuxdisciple: Does 'dmesg' show whether it found the soundcard?
[08:20] <tuxdisciple> hawke_: Okay, I force-unloaded a few more modules now its static
[08:21] <tuxdisciple> cs46xx: Card found at 0xe8122000 and 0xe8000000, IRQ 10
[08:21] <tuxdisciple> cs46xx: Thinkpad 600X/A20/T20 (1014:0153) at 0xe8122000/0xe8000000, IRQ 10
[08:21] <tuxdisciple> ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: CRY20 (Cirrus Logic CS4297A rev B)
[08:23] <XposerX> puterfixer, ahh, so did you have to add anything else besides the freqs for an lcd?
[08:23] <johaBBa> i just want to say...i love ubuntu. and i love you all...
[08:23] <johaBBa> ...that is all.
[08:23] <Coily> is there a asx stream ripper for linux (something like sdp)?
[08:23] <puterfixer> XposerX, just the list of resolutions
[08:24] <johaBBa> Coily, apt-cache search streamripper
[08:24] <Tuxicity> johaBBa, we luv u tu :)
[08:24] <johaBBa> Tuxicity, :)
[08:25] <Coily> holy crap "streamripper" is the exact name, scary
[08:25] <CarlK> when current/hoary-install-i386.iso changes, does rsync really just transfer the changes?
[08:25] <johaBBa> Coily, works nice with streamtuner
[08:25] <Coily> hm it says it splits into mp3 files?
[08:26] <Coily> i need video too =[
[08:26] <CarlK> it figured rsync would see "it" changed and download the whole file
[08:26] <CarlK> Coily,  mplayer -dumpstream
[08:26] <johaBBa> Coily, ah...sorry...i thought you wanted just audio...
[08:26] <Coily> np
[08:26] <Coily> CarlK ill give it a try
[08:27] <CarlK> Coily - and don't let the ;) at the end freak you out
[08:28] <nerk> Hey, is there a way to dynamically disable TwinView? .. using Nvidia driver
[08:28] <Coily> CarlK im afraid im already freaked out
[08:29] <nerk> dont seem to see anything in xset for it
[08:29] <nerk> dont really want to create two xf86config files and have to restart gdm
[08:29] <kengur> is there any good dvd burner there? gnome doesn't even show how much space is left
[08:30] <johaBBa> kengur, k3b
[08:30] <hawke_> nerk: I think there's an nvidia tool...
[08:30] <hawke_> nerk: nvctl maybe?
[08:31] <CarlK> anyone know what this is: Hoary - cdrom/install/netboot/debian-installer/i386/pxelinux.cfg
[08:31] <nerk> well, i found one called nvoptions.. but couldn't make it due to aclocal problems
[08:32] <hawke_> nerk: nvidia-settings?
[08:32] <nerk> I have that
[08:32] <nerk> no twinview option
[08:32] <nerk> shows you your display devices.. but you can't disable
[08:32] <kengur> johaBBa, we are talking gnome technology here, I dont' want any KDE intruders in my system =)
[08:33] <hawke_> nerk: Ah
[08:33] <nerk> http://www.sorgonet.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=100
[08:34] <Coily> has anyone had problems installing mplayer through synaptic
[08:34] <bronson> I remember hearing something about a tool that would watch when you run "make install" and create a list of all files installed.
[08:35] <bronson> Anyone remember what that is?  I think it was a GNU project but my memory is hazy...
[08:35] <hawke_> bronson: installwatch was part of it
[08:36] <hawke_> bronson: checkinstall makes your installed stuff into a package
[08:36] <apokryphos> Coily: Have you installed all the codecs for it?
[08:36] <nerk> frig it.. i will make a sh script that copies over a non-twinview based xf86config and gdm restart
[08:36] <bronson> hawke_: checkinstall.  That might have been it.
[08:36] <bronson> Thanks -- this should do the trick.
[08:36] <johaBBa> kengur, i too dislike kde...but k3b is the best burning app out there right now
[08:37] <apokryphos> Coily: You need to add some repositories and download a couple of codecs; see the "restricted formats" article on ubuntulinux
[08:37] <bronson> Coily: the mplayer packages are often problematic.  What's the issue?
[08:37] <johaBBa> i tend to compile mplayer from src to get all the goodies.
[08:37] <calamari> hi
[08:37] <Coily> ive added the repositoroes
[08:38] <johaBBa> i have yet to see a binary package that has all i want for mplyaer
[08:38] <apokryphos> and installed the codecs? The ones from the article?
[08:38] <Coily> er repositories, but theres dependencies which i either: havent got the correct version of or havent got at all
[08:38] <calamari> is there a program similar to imagemagick convert, for converting audio files between different formats (or a/v)?
[08:38] <cocol> apt-get install mplayer-custom mozilla-mplayer
[08:38] <Coily> i dont want the mozilla mplayer
[08:39] <apokryphos> %tell Coily uburestricted
[08:39] <Pyre> Coily: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:39] <bronson> Nor do I.  It crashes on a lot of perfectly good streams.
[08:39] <Coily> like i said i believe ive added the correct repositories
[08:39] <apokryphos> but have you installed the correct codecs?
[08:39] <apokryphos> I'm close to completely certain that there's no dependency problems with the instructions there
[08:40] <CarlK> calamari - transcode should work for just audio
[08:40] <Coily> ill try it out... ive installed mplayer in ubuntu before but this is a fresh install
[08:40] <apokryphos> this problem comes up time and time again on here, and as far as I've seen, that's solved it every time
[08:42] <acolyte> hello everybody
[08:42] <calamari> carlk: thanks :)
[08:42] <Tuxicity> acolyte, hi
[08:43] <acolyte> hmm I'm a total newbie to Ubuntu AND irc so forgive me.. :)
[08:43] <acolyte> I have a little problem with installing/uninstalling software..
[08:43] <apokryphos> What's the problem?
[08:44] <acolyte> I recently installed lm-sensors and I successfully uninstalled it with dpkg but I still think I'm getting error messages on bootup
[08:45] <acolyte> I haven't checked it yet 'cause I didn't reboot but that's not my biggest concern
[08:45] <bronson> acolyte: error messages on bootup are the norm.
[08:45] <bronson> It doesn't actually mean anything's wrong... depends on the message.
[08:46] <bronson> So, er, what's the message?  :)
[08:46] <acolyte> apt-get is kinda 'broken' because it says that some kind of program is not installed properly and it can't find an archive of it.
[08:46] <bronson> what's the exact error?
[08:46] <calamari> carlk: I take it that transcode isn't even in multiverse
[08:47] <bronson> calamari: no, go to Marillat.
[08:47] <calamari> is that a website?
[08:47] <bronson> calamari: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[08:48] <bronson> afaik that's the most recent.
[08:48] <calamari> bronson: thanks
[08:48] <acolyte> bronson: you mean due to lm-sensors? well I added some lines to /etc/modprobe.d/local to install it but they weren't recognized at bootup like "warning: ignored line at line 6,7,8 etc" and it has no serious consequences for my machine but it irritates me
[08:50] <bronson> acolyte: ah.  and removing the lines don't put things back to the way they were?
[08:50] <bronson> I don't use lmsensors so I doubt I'll be able to help much.  But if your system otherwise works fine, it's probably no big deal...?
[08:50] <acolyte> nope, the local file we're talking about is totally empty but they still appear as if they are still there
[08:51] <acolyte> no, I guess not :P
[08:51] <acolyte> but what about my other problem?
[08:51] <bronson> Unclear.  What package and exact error message?
[08:52] <acolyte> well, I have to translate it then, 'cause I use the dutch language pack :P
[08:52] <acolyte> let's see...
[08:53] <acolyte> E: Package printpro has to be re-installed, but I cannot find an archive of it.
[08:54] <bronson> acolyte: printpro isn't a part of Ubuntu.  Where did it come from?
[08:54] <acolyte> this appears whenever I try to install a new application or when I try to start Synaptic
[08:54] <Coily> how can i dl a file directly from console?
[08:54] <Coily> er terminal :x
[08:54] <bronson> Coily: wget or curl?
[08:54] <Coily> never used curl, linux newbie
[08:54] <Coily> but im assuming wget would work
[08:55] <Tuxicity> Coily, wget
[08:55] <bronson> Coily: works exactly like you'd expect: wget http://blah/file.ext, and file.ext is stored in the current dir.
[08:55] <Coily> goody
[08:55] <acolyte> true, I dled it when I was trying to install the printer with something else than cups... it's from the same developer though
[08:55] <acolyte> I chose the Debian package because I knew Ubuntu was based on Deb..
[08:55] <AndyR> does anyone have a working hoary ---> hoary cups shared printer working?
[08:56] <calamari> bronson: what should I put for distributio nand section for that marillat ftp?
[08:56] <Coily> damn wget doesnt except mms
[08:56] <AndyR> if so can i see thier /etc/cups/cupsd.conf please
[08:56] <bronson> acolyte: hard to say exactly, but it looks like it's causing a conflict so needs to be upgraded.  Probably the appropriate lines have been deleted from /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:57] <hawke_> AndyR: You need to enable listen on ips other than 127.0.0.1
[08:57] <bronson> acolyte: so either remove printpro or tell apt where to find a newer version.
[08:57] <AndyR> hawke, you have a working 1??
[08:57] <bronson> ...if it even exists.  Using external packages is fraught with peril...
[08:57] <hawke_> AndyR: Yes.
[08:57] <acolyte> and how to remove it? even with dpkg it won't remove
[08:57] <bronson> calamari: ??  That line I pasted should work verbatim in /etc/apt/sources.list.
[08:58] <Coily> is there a way to insert html into the Fx address bar and have it produce the page
[08:58] <bronson> For Hoary anyway.  It's been a while since I've run Warty.
[08:58] <AndyR> hawke, can you /msg it to me?
[08:58] <Tuxicity> calamari, distro: unstable     section: main
[08:58] <bronson> calamari: oh, are you using Synaptic?  I've never used it.
[08:59] <universal> does someone know about cedega ???
[08:59] <calamari> bronson: aha yeah.. it worked.. needed "unstable" and "main"
[08:59] <calamari> thanks :)
[08:59] <acolyte> so how to proceed?
[08:59] <Psypher> hello everyone. is't time on ubuntu channel. need some help with dvdrip. has anyone gotten it installed using apt-get? any help will be greatly appreciated
[08:59] <bronson> acolyte: imo?  dpkg --purge printpro   :)
[08:59] <calamari> I really like synaptic.. makes it easy to see what I'm doing
[08:59] <bronson> Unless you really need it of course.
[08:59] <universal> does someone know about cedega ???
[08:59] <acolyte> purge.. need to remeber that one :)
[09:00] <bronson> universal: don't ask to ask.  what is it?
[09:00] <goldfish> universal: #cedega
[09:00] <goldfish> tbh
[09:00] <acolyte> bronson: no, shortly after the experimental thing with printpro I got the printer installed with cups so... :P
[09:00] <bronson> I used Cedega to play HL a few years ago...
[09:00] <universal> #cedega
[09:01] <goldfish> universal: go to the cedega channel
[09:01] <goldfish> well
[09:01] <goldfish> They will be more helpful
[09:01] <bronson> universal: I think he meant /join #cedega  :)
[09:01] <goldfish> yeah
[09:01] <goldfish> sorry :)
[09:02] <acolyte> bronson: still refuses...
[09:02] <JDigital_> what is cedega
[09:02] <goldfish> JDigital_: program for running windows games on linux
[09:02] <goldfish> think u gotta pay for it
[09:02] <hawke_> JDigital_: proprietary version of wine
[09:02] <JDigital_> :(
[09:02] <bronson> acolyte: what, the purge?
[09:02] <hawke_> JDigital_: with directx
[09:02] <hawke_> JDigital_: Formerly known as WineX
[09:02] <JDigital_> how much is it
[09:03] <hawke_> JDigital_: Not very expensive http://www.transgaming.com/
[09:03] <JDigital_> how well does it work
[09:03] <acolyte> dpkg: error when uninstalling printpro (--purge): Package is in an serious inconsistent status - you have to re-install it before removing it.
[09:03] <Psypher> dvdrip help pls anyone?
[09:03] <hawke_> JDigital_: Very well, when it works at all
[09:03] <goldfish> JDigital_: someone got hl2 running on ubuntu with it very well
[09:04] <goldfish> so they said in the forums
[09:04] <bronson> acolyte: good lord.  I've never seen that before.
[09:04] <bronson> That's probably a part of its own uninstall scripts...?
[09:04] <acolyte> bronson: remember, this is just an onthefly translating of me, no guarantee it's the exact same error message you would get :)
[09:05] <hawke_> bronson / acolyte : I think that's a standard dpkg error, but really not a good thing.
[09:05] <Coily> does anyone know how i can download files through mms protocol?
[09:05] <CarlK> anyone done a hoary server install reciently?
[09:05] <Coily> mms anyone?
[09:05] <CarlK> the F2 boot screen says you need 350meg, but I am pretty sure the one I did 2 weeks ago only used 250.
[09:05] <acolyte> kee, thought so.. so what now?
[09:06] <acolyte> "re-install" it?
[09:06] <bronson> Add the package line back to /etc/apt.sources?
[09:06] <acolyte> how to do that when even install doesn't work out 100% well?
[09:06] <bronson> Wherever you originally found it?
[09:06] <acolyte> wait.. going for a search
[09:07] <Coily> does anyone know of a wget type app or patch that will allow for downloading files through mms?
[09:08] <bronson> Coily: Microsoft Media protocol?  I think mplayer has a little support for that.
[09:09] <acolyte> bronson: http://www.easysw.com/printpro/software.php
[09:09] <Coily> dammit i cant install mplayer! oh the irony
[09:09] <acolyte> bronson: http://www.easysw.com/printpro/software.php?VERSION=4.5.1&OS=Ldebtgz to be precise
[09:10] <bronson> acolyte: oh, you just dpkg --installed it.
[09:10] <bronson> hm.  Dunno, try downloading and installing it again?
[09:10] <Tuxicity> Coily, maybe VLC player
[09:10] <acolyte> I have the package still on my hdd
[09:10] <acolyte> I will try again but have to go now
[09:11] <bronson> Well, try --installing it again.  You might have to add --force.
[09:11] <Coily> it's ok i got xine to do it
[09:11] <acolyte> thx anyway for your help :)
[09:11] <Coily> how do i save a file with xine?
[09:11] <bronson> If that doesn't work, well...  no good news.
[09:11] <bronson> np.
[09:11] <Coily> is there a temp directory for xine
[09:11] <Coily> ive got this wmv file playing but now i need to download it =[
[09:12] <CarlK> Coily - maybe you want curl
[09:12] <CarlK> I don't know what it will do with streams, but might work
[09:12] <bronson> full circle.  twice!  :)
[09:12] <Coily> CarlK ill give it a shot
[09:13] <acolyte> bronson: couldn't resust to try it right away, got new error messages for you :P
[09:13] <bronson> lovely
[09:13] <Coily> whats the curl package called?
[09:13] <acolyte> subprocess dpkg-split returned a errorcode 2
[09:13] <bronson> Wow, checkinstall is very cool.
[09:13] <Tuxicity> Coily, ya, 'VLC Player' supports MMS streaming
[09:14] <bronson> Coily: "curl"
[09:14] <Coily> oops ya missed it :x
[09:14] <Coily> xine plays mms as well
[09:14] <acolyte> subprocess dpkg-split returned an errorcode 2
[09:14] <Coily> the problem is i need to download the file
[09:14] <Tuxicity> Coily, and it can save it too
[09:14] <Coily> hm
[09:14] <bronson> acolyte: wow.  Things are very broken.
[09:15] <bronson> I think it's just the package.  Maybe try emailing easysw?
[09:15] <acolyte> dpkg-split: error while reading printpro-4.5-linux-intel.deb: It's a directory
[09:15] <bascule> hoe do I actually read the mail that the system sends me?
[09:16] <goldfish> mutt
[09:16] <Gagatan> apt-get install mutt
[09:16] <bascule> k
[09:16] <goldfish> or cat :)
[09:16] <bronson> acolyte: is pprintpro*.deb a directory?
[09:16] <goldfish> lol
[09:16] <acolyte> really need to go now, I'll keep you posted of my progress, bronson (or not :P)
[09:16] <bronson> good luck.  you'll need it.  :)
[09:16] <Gagatan> goldfish: less is a better reader imo ;)
[09:16] <bascule> goldfish: I thought you and cats were a bad mix ;)
[09:16] <bascule> sorry couldn't resist
[09:16] <goldfish> hehe
[09:16] <goldfish> :)
[09:17] <Coily> wheres the save option in vlc?
[09:18] <spiral> fabbione: hello ?
[09:18] <Tuxicity> Coily, install the GTK+ front-end for VLC
[09:18] <bascule> goldfish: thanks, that damn penguin somersalting along gkrellm was driving me mad
[09:18] <Coily> alrighty
[09:19] <Tuxicity> Coily, I dont know where the save option is in VLC built-in interface...
[09:19] <goldfish> bascule: hah
[09:20] <Coily> Tuxicity once i have gtk installed what next
[09:20] <Tuxicity> Coily, click on NET
[09:21] <Tuxicity> Coily, Stream Output(check)-->Setings
[09:21] <kingsley_> What's a good way to identify a hard drive without openning the box?
[09:21] <Tuxicity> kingsley_, BIOS?
[09:21] <Karny> hello :)
[09:22] <bronson> kingsley_: hdparm -i /dev/hdX
[09:22] <Tuxicity> Coily, specify a file path
[09:22] <Karny> anyone know anything about dual-monitors (with a twist)
[09:22] <Coily> Tuxicity where will it be saved?
[09:23] <kingsley_> bronson: Thanks.
[09:23] <Tuxicity> Coily, where you specified...
[09:23] <Coily> :x
[09:23] <Tuxicity> Coily, Net-->Stream Output Settings-->Path
[09:24] <Coily> shouldnt i open the file i want saved first
[09:24] <Karny> no one?
[09:24] <Coily> (seems i skipped that part)
[09:25] <Tuxicity> Coily, well specify the URL in Net-->HTTP/FTP/MMS
[09:25] <Tuxicity> Coily, u see there?
[09:25] <Coily> yah
[09:26] <Coily> the problem is the protocol is mms not http
[09:26] <Tuxicity> Coily, it says HTTP/FTP/MMS
[09:26] <Tuxicity> Coily, so type yours
[09:26] <Coily> ha i feel like a major dummy now
[09:26] <Tuxicity> Coily, :)
[09:26] <Coily> ok the path is set, the url is set, how do i save to disk
[09:27] <Tuxicity> Coily, well click OK and play
[09:27] <Tuxicity> Coily, (if im right)
[09:27] <Coily> nope
[09:27] <Coily> nothings playing and nothin got saved
[09:28] <Tuxicity> Coily, give me the URL
[09:29] <Coily> lemme get it here...
[09:29] <Karny> aaaah help!!!
[09:29] <Karny> is it possible to have 2 monitors off the same gfx card, but with different resolutions and refresh rates?
[09:29] <Karny> 60hz on my 19" is making my eyes bleed!
[09:30] <bronson> Karny: yes, but it depends on your graphics card.
[09:30] <Ribs> you'd need a dual-headed card
[09:30] <Ribs> like what Matrox make
[09:31] <CarlK> is the bugzilla user/pw the same as the wiki ?
[09:32] <Ribs> CarlK: doubtfull
[09:34] <Coily> screw it
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[09:34] <Tuxicity> Coily, screw the URL?
[09:34] <Ribs> brings cybersex to a whole new level
[09:35] <Coily> no im gonna use curl
[09:35] <Tuxicity> Coily, curl supports MMS?
[09:36] <Coily> going to have to find out; i cant even put urls into the network form anymore
[09:36] <Karny> bronson, I have a ati mobility
[09:36] <Karny> i'm pretty sure you can do it under windows
[09:36] <Tuxicity> Coily, can u give me the URL so I try here?
[09:37] <Coily> i would if it meant id be able to do anything even if you got it to work
[09:37] <acolyte> is bronson still here?
[09:37] <Coily> i cant change the url in the net tab
[09:37] <Karny> noooo!
[09:37] <acolyte> saw you :P
[09:37] <Tuxicity> Coily, did u click on HTTP/FTP/MMS first?
[09:37] <Karny> me too ;)
[09:37] <acolyte> got news from the fron
[09:38] <Coily> yes
[09:38] <acolyte> front*
[09:38] <bronson> Karny: no idea.  Check the x docs for your driver?
[09:38] <Karny> i was afraid of that!
[09:38] <acolyte> the so-called package was indeed a dir, stupid of me, needed to go one dir deeper
[09:38] <Tuxicity> Coily, then the text box should become white and you should be able to type
[09:38] <bronson> I find the x.org driver developers are really responsive.  And their bugzilla's pretty good too.  That's where I'd look.
[09:39] <viper12> its pretty wild........there are nearly as many people in this channel as the entire ##linux channel on freennode. :D
[09:39] <Coily> Tuxicity alright i found out what i was doing wrong, i had to specify a file name (not just a directory)
[09:39] <Coily> thanks for the help
[09:39] <acolyte> bronson: but installing it now also isn't a success.. Translating it now for you
[09:39] <Tuxicity> Coily, cool. tell me if it works
[09:39] <acolyte> libcupsys2-gnutls10 is in conflict with libcupsys2
[09:40] <Coily> damn
[09:40] <Coily> it didnt encode the sound
[09:40] <acolyte> conflicting packages - I won't install printpro
[09:40] <Tuxicity> Coily, in Settings, did u choose AVI?
[09:40] <Coily> well call me stupid it's still saving
[09:41] <bronson> acolyte: both of those packages are a part of Ubuntu.
[09:41] <Tuxicity> Coily, oh. sure
[09:41] <bronson> The  former just supports TLS.
[09:41] <acolyte> bronson: so...?
[09:41] <bronson> So, what's the problem?  :)
[09:41] <acolyte> well apt-get isn't working because of that stupid printpro
[09:42] <bronson> And you're still not able to purge it?
[09:42] <moj0rising> hello
[09:42] <acolyte> nope I guess not, didn't try it yet but since there's nothing changed while trying to reinstall..
[09:43] <bronson> so the dpkg -i printpro.dpkg is what gives the "in conflict" error message?
[09:43] <vixus> Hey all.
[09:43] <bronson> You're not able to install it either?
[09:43] <Coily> Tuxicity ok i was right the first time, sound didnt get encoded. i was using avi
[09:43] <acolyte> just tried it: nope, same inconsistant error
[09:44] <vixus> 2 things. #1: I want to chop together a site and am too lazy to hand-code the basic layout... any nice wysiwyg tools that support css etc?
[09:44] <vixus> #2: Photoshop on ubuntu.... >_<
[09:45] <bronson> vixus: nvu, gimp
[09:45] <acolyte> bronson: installing gives me a "in conflict with" message, purging gives me a "inconsistant" error
[09:45] <bronson> I've never used nvu but I hear it's good.  nvu.com i think.
[09:46] <Tuxicity> Coily, I dont know. Check the 'Audio' tab in Preferences...
[09:46] <acolyte> I guess I'm a hard one to satisfy ey ;)
[09:46] <vixus> bronson: Tried nvu... ugh
[09:46] <bronson> acolyte: hm.  can you dpkg --purge libcupsys2-gnutls10 ?
[09:46] <Coily> will do
[09:47] <bronson> vixus: I'm afraid that's as wysiwig as it gets on Linux.
[09:47] <Coily> Tuxicity should i try ps or ts?
[09:47] <bronson> wysiwyg isn't a priority on unix.  ;)
[09:47] <vixus> bronson: Amaya?
[09:48] <Tuxicity> Coily, I really dont know what either of these formats are, so try
[09:48] <bronson> vixus: doesn't supprt css last I checked.  And it's sure showing its age.
[09:48] <vixus> bronson: Yeah, I've handcoded my fair share of sites... I guess I'm just bored. I want to get to the php side of things :D
[09:48] <vixus> bronson: OOo?
[09:48] <bronson> vixus: doubt it.  :)  Try it and tell us how it goes!
[09:48] <universal> someone else who has an idea why it lags when i play couterstrike on cedega?
[09:49] <bronson> vixus: abiword will convert to html too.
[09:49] <bronson> And LyX too I think.
[09:49] <moj0rising> MOzilla has a web design too, doesn't it?
[09:49] <vixus> bronson: Amaya, run by W3... I'd be surprised if it didn't support CSS ;)
[09:49] <moj0rising> composer or something.
[09:50] <acolyte> bronson: doesn't work either: dependancy problems
[09:50] <vixus> bronson: I'll touch it up by hand anyway :D
[09:50] <universal> who has an idea why it lags when i play couterstrike on cedega?
[09:50] <moj0rising> has anyone here installed gaim-encryption from the backports repositories?
[09:50] <vixus> wysiwyg will just be easier when making quick changes
[09:50] <bronson> acolyte: what I'd do?  Just start purging my way all the way up the tree.  This is known as Debian purge hell.
[09:51] <bronson> Once you get rid of the conflicting package, printpro will >hopefully< install properly.
[09:51] <bronson> Then purge again.
[09:51] <bronson> Man, pp really jacked your system.
[09:52] <Coily> does anyone know if curl works witth mms?
[09:52] <vixus> bronson: Ok... it doesn't have a gui for css properties, but i'll try amaya.. ugh, 15.5 MB!
[09:52] <bronson> vixus: I don't think you're going to like it much...  :)
[09:52] <acolyte> bronson: yah but that involves 'cupsys' and I want to preserve cups for printing. I just configured it right so it works. Wouldn't be happy to start all over again :(
[09:53] <vixus> bronson: yeah
[09:53] <vixus> bronson: I'll try nvu again. It was a bit slow and chunky last time though.
[09:53] <Coily> what app should i use to convert wmp to avi?
[09:53] <bronson> acolyte: the way I see it, you've got three choices.  (1) purge everything and start over.  (2) live with your system the way it is.  (3) learn all sorts of good stuff about dpkg internals.
[09:53] <vixus> (this is all boiling down to doing it by hand, right? XD)
[09:53] <Coily> anyone?
[09:54] <bronson> acolyte: none of those are particularly desirable...
[09:54] <Coily> ok it doesnt
[09:54] <bronson> (by "everything" I mean cupsys.  Though you could just reinstall the whole OS too...)
[09:55] <acolyte> bronson: If I'd just have a little more patience when I was struggling with cups.. *sigh*
[09:55] <universal> does somebody know about steam?
[09:55] <universal> ...and cedega
[09:56] <bronson> acolyte: I know.  I learned the same hard lesson with the opensound drivers.  I had to reinstall from scratch to fix that one.
[09:56] <FLeiXiuS> I'm a ALSA follower while OSS is still in developement
[09:56] <acolyte> bronson: isn't it possible to give dpkg the command to purge all the dependancy packages too? In stead of purging them one by one?
[09:57] <JDigital_> steam steam lol
[09:57] <JDigital_> steam lol steam
[09:57] <cbgb> how can I delete sun-j2re1.5.0
[09:57] <cbgb> can anybody tell me the commands
[09:57] <cbgb> i am new using linux
[09:58] <bronson> acolyte: I don't think so.  Even if you could, you woudln't want to.  You want to uninstall just enough to let you install cupsys, not all the way to the top of the tree.
[09:58] <cbgb> the thing is that i am having problem with it
[09:59] <acolyte> bronson: no, I want to purge enough to purge printpro, then install the purged packages again and reconfiguring
[09:59] <cbgb> it says that errors were wncountered while processing it
[10:00] <bronson> acolyte: you want to purge just enough so you can INSTALL printpro.  Then purge it.  Then reinstall everything else.  right?
[10:00] <ompaul> JDigital_, I got very very side tracked did you get sorted?
[10:02] <Coily> what app should i use to convert wmp to avi?
[10:02] <Tuxicity> Coily, FYI, I found that PS and TS means MPEG-PS and MPEG-TS...
[10:02] <Coily> ah ok
[10:02] <Tuxicity> Coily, did u try that instead of AVI?
[10:03] <Coily> ya, didnt play at all
[10:03] <calamari> anyone successfully using mplayer in ubuntu?  I get "Illegal instruction"
[10:03] <Coily> i managed to save them with an asx resolver
[10:03] <acolyte> bronson: Oh.. yeah that's it... but you know, this is real hell indeed. One package that is dependant to cupsys is again dependant to a series of other packages and so on... There has got to be an easier way.. and re-installing Ubuntu is not an option, unless I can backup my 'progress' so far
[10:03] <Coily> but i need to convert the wmv to avi
[10:03] <Coily> er before i said wmp whoops
[10:04] <bronson> acolyte: yup.  purge hell.  It _sucks_.  Unfortunately, I don't know of any better way.
[10:05] <acolyte> bronson: well, screw that, if I purge all dependancies I'll end up with nothing more than the kernel I figure :P
[10:05] <transzorp> hey has any one ever installed a g3 pismo with ubuntu via target disk mode?
[10:06] <bronson> acolyte: no, not ALL dependencies.  Just enough to get the conflicting package removed.
[10:06] <acolyte> bronson: at least I know for sure that I purge a lot of software that is perfectly in order, like gedit, and which I need sooo much
[10:07] <Tuxicity> Coily, perhaps u could use VLC for this purpose?
[10:07] <bronson> You shouldn't have to remove very much to get cupsys out of there.
[10:07] <bronson> Actually, I just thought of another option.
[10:07] <nozzy> Can anyone tell me when the next ubuntu release will be??
[10:07] <bronson> I think you can use "--force deps" or something like that.
[10:07] <Simira> do anyone have a little time to help me with an issue, concerning moving a warty system from a disc to another?
[10:08] <bronson> That should allow you to remove the conflicting package without disturbing all the tohers.
[10:08] <ompaul> nozzy, lots can, and they should say April :)
[10:08] <Einzelganger> Are there any tests (subscribed,spam) on sending mails to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com. I tried to send a (long) mail 2 days ago, but it didn't arrive.
[10:08] <nozzy> ompaul, thnx
[10:08] <Coily> i need something to convert wmv to avi
[10:08] <ompaul> nozzy, np
[10:09] <Einzelganger> Coily, memcoder (part of mplayer)
[10:09] <bronson> Coily: or transcode
[10:09] <Nermal> mencoder :P
[10:09] <Coily> alrighty
[10:09] <JDigital_> Guys, what does "Send-Q" mean in netstat
[10:10] <ompaul> JDigital_,   The count of bytes not acknowledged by the remote host
[10:10] <Lemonzest> how is this linux on the LanParty UT NF3 250Gb? is all the hardware detected?
[10:10] <JDigital_> jdigital@thundaril:~ $ netstat | grep ssh
[10:10] <JDigital_> tcp        0      0 192.168.1.5:38071       pyoko.org:ssh           TIME_WAIT
[10:10] <JDigital_> tcp        0    384 192.168.1.5:38019       pyoko.org:ssh           ESTABLISHED
[10:11] <JDigital_> I think one of those is putty under wine, the other is ssh
[10:11] <Coily> erm transcode only allows divx?
[10:11] <Coily> id like to encode with xvid...
[10:11] <JDigital_> the second one is ssh
[10:12] <hawke_> transcode allows xvid
[10:12] <JDigital_> how odd
[10:12] <Coily> will i have to install the codec?
[10:12] <flosch> hi
[10:12] <hawke_> Coily: ....yes
[10:12] <ompaul> JDigital_, no, it is not
[10:12] <Coily> i wish it came with it is all =[
[10:13] <hawke_> Coily: There's a package for it
[10:13] <ompaul> JDigital_, both of them are leaving the current box you are on and both connect to ssh on pyoko
[10:13] <Coily> that makes my life a little easier
[10:13] <acolyte> bronson: figured it out... dpkg --force-help displays all the force options..
[10:14] <ompaul> JDigital_, one of them is in the condition TIME_WAIT so it is waiting the box you are on to talk back
[10:14] <acolyte> bronson: dpkg --force depends should turn the independancies into warnings
[10:14] <ompaul> sorry it is waiting on the far end
[10:15] <ompaul> it is a little early yet
[10:16] <anthonws> hello ppl!
[10:16] <JDigital_> ompaul: I know
[10:16] <JDigital_> the first one works
[10:16] <JDigital_> the second one is the one that stalls a lot
[10:17] <bronson> --force deps / --force depends.  I was close.  :)
[10:17] <anthonws> I cant open in gnome synaptics or ubuntu update manager. Doesnt show root password prompt.
[10:17] <anthonws> can please someone help me?
[10:17] <Nermal> um
[10:17] <Nermal> odd
[10:18] <Lemonzest> how is this linux on the LanParty UT NF3 250Gb? is all the hardware detected?
[10:18] <anthonws> Nermal, yeah. i can access those applications trough the console by typing "sudo synaptic" for example
[10:18] <Nermal> humm
[10:19] <acolyte> bronson: came a little further: libcupsys2 is uninstalled, but installing nor purging printpro won't work. Errors coming up :)
[10:19] <wnaLinux> hi guys im trying to install vmware workstation for linux, does anybody know where ubuntu C headers are kept
[10:20] <wnaLinux> for the kernel
[10:20] <acolyte> /var/lib/dpkg/info/printpro.postrm: line 3: /etc/software/init.d/cups: Unknown file or directory
[10:20] <njan> wnaLinux, you'll need to apt-get them
[10:20] <ompaul> JDigital_, which disto is on pyoko
[10:20] <OmniColos> any ibook user connecting with xsupllicant?
[10:20] <wnaLinux> njan, how do I get them
[10:20] <bronson> Sweet!  this looks fixable.  What's on  /var/lib/dpkg/info/printpro.postrm line 3?
[10:20] <acolyte> subprocess post-removal script returned errorcode 127
[10:21] <wnaLinux> njan, whats the package called
[10:21] <wnaLinux> that I need
[10:22] <acolyte> wait a min
[10:22] <nozzy> There is something I do not understand, why is it that one cannot login as root in a console, nor su - to become root?
[10:22] <njan> nozzy, there's no root user
[10:22] <njan> nozzy, sudo /bin/bash
[10:22] <njan> wnaLinux, kernel-headers ;P
[10:22] <acolyte> my sound controler felt the need to drop on the floor without permission :@
[10:22] <wnaLinux> ok thanks
[10:22] <nozzy> njan, huh? realy?
[10:22] <njan> wnaLinux, although for some reason I can't see one for the latest (warty) kernel; don't ask me why
[10:22] <njan> nozzy, yes :).. you use sudo to execute commands as root.
[10:23] <njan> nozzy, you didn't read the installer :p
[10:23] <JDigital_> DELETED
[10:23] <nozzy> njan, nope :P
[10:23] <nozzy> njan, just installed it :D
[10:24] <ompaul> nozzy, the thinking is that it is more secure, sudo gets logged
[10:24] <nozzy> ompaul, thats a good thing then
[10:25] <anthonws> can please someone help me? cant open root needing applicatons in gnome
[10:25] <msumu> hey you dudes
[10:25] <wnaLinux> njan, they dont have kernel header for 2.6.8.1-5-386
[10:25] <OmniColos> anyone kwno of an easy way to auth WPA/TTLS on an ibook/airport?
[10:25] <nerk> ubuntu rocks
[10:25] <nerk> :)
[10:25] <Coily> mmmph i cant install transcode even though i have all of the restricted-formats repositories
[10:25] <acolyte> bronson: line 3 states: /etc/software/init.d/cups restart
 wnaLinux, although for some reason I can't see one for the latest (warty) kernel; don't ask me why :)
[10:25] <nerk> i can't believe how well World of Warcraft runs under it.
[10:25] <bronson> I assume /etc/software/init.d/cups doesn't exist?
[10:25] <msumu> somebody ?
[10:25] <wnaLinux> so what do I do then?
[10:26] <acolyte> bronson: the system is pretty sure about it so.. am I :P
[10:26] <msumu> i need some help out here
[10:26] <bronson> Man, that package is really in a bad way.
[10:26] <nerk> msumu: state your issue, wait for response
[10:26] <schasi> njan: Do you use winex or is there a linux port?
[10:26] <Nermal> msumu: STATE PROBLEM
[10:26] <bronson> This is in the install or the purge?
[10:26] <bronson> I mean, you're trying to install it now?
[10:26] <msumu> i 'd like to install mplayer but still cannot get it
[10:27] <njan> schasi, huh?
[10:27] <acolyte> bronson: no purge
[10:27] <bronson> oh, good.
[10:27] <Nermal> raaa
[10:27] <schasi> world of warcraft uder ubuntu
[10:27] <nerk> anyone have the nforce chipset with onboard AC97 audio?  do you know of a compatible alsa driver?
[10:27] <Nermal> how do I install gaim smiley themes through apt :|
[10:27] <Nermal> or can I not :(
[10:27] <nerk> schasi: yah, i use cedega
[10:27] <bronson> acolyte: just comment out that line then.  # /etc/...
[10:27] <nerk> runs very nice
[10:27] <Slave> hi guys, is anyone having trouble accessing 'http://www.ubuntulinux.org/' right now?  For some reason I can't reach it (timeout on dns lookup)
[10:28] <Nermal> Slave: fine here
[10:28] <acolyte> bronson: btw, I find nothing "pro" about that piece of software :P
[10:28] <Slave> Nermal:  odd... it's the only site I don't seem to be able to access at the moment.
[10:28] <Nermal> hum
[10:29] <anthonws> no root passowrd popup in gnome... please help me
[10:29] <Nermal> peter@snoopy ~ $ host www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:29] <Nermal> www.ubuntulinux.org has address 82.211.81.130
[10:29] <msumu> does someone know where i can get a (working) mplayer
[10:29] <nerk> schasi: it doesnt like window mode.. only issue is with the in-client mouse cursor .. it disappears.. but someone wrote a c prog that replaces it with the x cursor.
[10:29] <bronson> amen to that.  cups in general blows goats.  "client-error-forbidden!  client-error-forbidden!"
[10:29] <Slave> Nermal: the ip address came straight up to canonical's website, so it's definitely just something weird at my end
[10:29] <Nermal> mmm.. goat...
[10:30] <Nermal> Slave: nameserver 62.241.162.200
[10:30] <Nermal> is my first nameserver
[10:30] <Nermal> not sure if you can use it outside my isp mind :|
[10:30] <Slave> hmmm
[10:30] <bronson> Too bad it's the best thing going right now.  If I didn't have to try to make money right now, I'd rewrite it in Ruby.  It wouldn't be too hard...
[10:31] <Slave> most nameservers work no matter what ISP you're on... they're not as strict as (for example) smtp
[10:31] <Coily> is explore2fs considered the best way to read an ext3 partition in windows?
[10:31] <acolyte> bronson: you're trying to sat cups sucks? I don't agree to that, but just printpro sucks big time. Oh, btw, printpro is uninstalled after commenting out the feared 3rd line :P but.. got one warning
[10:31] <acolyte> bronson: could be nothing, just to know for sure
[10:31] <bronson> acolyte: excellent!  You should be good to go now.
[10:32] <msumu> does someone know where i can get a (working) mplayer my ubuntu warty ?
[10:32] <Tuxicity> Coily, it's more like the only way, if any
[10:32] <bronson> You'll come to agree with me once you use cups for very long...  :)
[10:32] <_michael_> hello... can I ask a very easy question ? (just installed for first time)
[10:32] <Slave> Nermal, could be my gentoo installation just doesn't want me talking to the ubuntu site ;-)
[10:32] <Coily> hm
[10:32] <Nermal> Slave: I'm on gentoo here :P
[10:33] <Slave> Nermal, lol... obviously your installation is more open minded
[10:33] <Nermal> asking for help in ubuntu is a lot easier in than when using gentoo though
[10:33] <acolyte> bronson: dpkg - warning: during uninstall of printpro, directory `/usr/share/cups/model/en' not empty, so not deleted.
[10:33] <Slave> Nermal, really? why's that?
[10:33] <_michael_> How do I change the basic gnome settings so that when I double-click a folder, it doesn't open a new window ?
[10:33] <njan> Nermal, yeah, it's great when your operating system is the same as other peoples and so they understand what problems you have :)
[10:33] <Nermal> Slave:gentoo has a lot of hostility towards it
[10:33] <Hikaru79> I am trying to use FTP to connect to /media/sda1 on an Ubuntu server, but apparently it's "Permission Denied" ... what would I do to give user 'hikaru79' permission to access /media/sda1 ?
[10:33] <Tuxicity> _michael_, Edit-->Preferences
[10:33] <_michael_> Tuxi: I went there, but couldn't find which option ?
[10:33] <Nermal> for example: go into #gaim and say "my gaim appears to segfault. I'm using gentoo.. any ideas?"
[10:34] <bronson> acolyte: it's safest just to leave it.  If you care you can look at it and delete it if there's nothing important in there.
[10:34] <Tuxicity> _michael_, Edit-->Preferences-->Behaviousr-->Always open in browser window
[10:34] <Tuxicity> _michael_, check
[10:34] <_michael_> Tuxi: Thanks. I didn't understand what that meant -.
[10:34] <anthonws> cant open synaptic in gnome. only by console command. no root password popup. please help me.
[10:34] <Slave> Nermal, do you mean that the gentoo channel is unfriendly?
[10:35] <Nermal> most developers are
[10:35] <Slave> Nermal, hmmm, it's been ages and ages since I've been in there.. but at the time it was pretty friendly
[10:35] <nozzy> You have to ask the right questions in gentoo channel
[10:35] <Chipzz> that's prolly because gentoo is a piece of... :P
[10:36] <Nermal> ah.. there's one now ! :D
[10:36] <msumu> HEY DUDES does someone know where i can get a (working) mplayer my ubuntu ?
[10:36] <nozzy> gentoo is not that n00b friendly :P
[10:36] <Tuxicity> flamers, shutup
[10:36] <nozzy> msumu, try totem with xine engine
[10:37] <msumu> totem-xine you mean ?
[10:37] <Chipzz> the biggest problem I have with gentoo is the near-impossibility to reproduce the same binary on a different system
[10:37] <Slave> something's wrong with my squid setup... can access ubuntulinux.org fine if I skip my proxy
[10:37] <cavediver> Hi. Just installed kde on my machine, but that nice configuration editor seems not have been installed. In what package is that. Tryed kdeadmin with no luck
[10:37] <nozzy> msumu, nope
[10:37] <msumu> ?
[10:38] <nozzy> msumu, just enable the extra repro in synaptic and search for totem
[10:38] <Slave> Chipzz, when is that particularly important?  Is it mainly a debugging thing?
[10:38] <Chipzz> Slave: it is for developers
[10:38] <anthonws> no root passowrd popup in gnome... please help me
[10:38] <Hikaru79> anthonws, gksudo
[10:39] <raydogg> What are the proper steps when i want to put a new video card in ubuntu ?
[10:39] <Slave> Chipzz, fair enough
[10:39] <raydogg> just put it in and run, will it use the fglrx module (its an ati card)
[10:39] <Chipzz> Slave: binary distro's give you reproducibility
[10:39] <anthonws> Hikaru79, the shortcuts are configured to open with gksudo
[10:39] <anthonws> but it just doesnt show me anything
[10:40] <anthonws> the process ends by shuting
[10:40] <irc-ssl> Hello, do you think Ubuntu would be OK, to install on P4 (his function will be LAN router+private FTP server ect. 2x 200Gb Hdd + 3GHz)
[10:40] <Chipzz> Slave: if I have a problem with gaim in ubuntu, the developer can install ubuntu and replicate my environment (I can tell him the versions of the packages I have installed)
[10:40] <Chipzz> Slave: there's no way you can do that with gentoo
[10:40] <acolyte> bronson: right... I just re-installed libcupsys2 and apt-get seems to work again, but I haven't tested printing yet
[10:42] <Slave> Chipzz, I gotta admit I feel bad when friends of mine have nightmares trying to install gentoo or run it and, beyond the easy help stuff, I'm kinda left standing there saying "well it worked perfectly for me" over and over
[10:42] <Tuxicity> msumu, I thought mplayer was in the repos (marillat)
[10:42] <cavediver> &quit
[10:43] <bronson> Tuxicity: it is.  Run apt-cache search mplayer
[10:43] <Coily> someone recommended an encoding tool... it wasnt mencode
[10:43] <bronson> You need to specify an arch.
[10:43] <anthonws> Hikaru79, i found this : ** (gksudo:8243): WARNING **: Lock found: /home/anthon/.gksu.lock. Exiting.
[10:43] <Coily> is there a standalone encoder in the repositories?
[10:43] <Tuxicity> Coily, transcode
[10:43] <anthonws> Hikaru79, when i typed gksudo synaptic in console
[10:43] <Coily> there ya go thanks
[10:44] <Tuxicity> Coily, ffmpeg too, i think
[10:44] <Coily> ill try em both i guess
[10:45] <jazzka> hi!
[10:45] <irc-ssl> or should I ask what type of OS you'd prefer for PC like that..
[10:45] <jazzka> is a hard disk required to boot with a live-cd distro?
[10:45] <ompaul> jazzka, no
[10:45] <jazzka> ok
[10:46] <Coily> does anyone know where i can find a repository for the following:
[10:46] <Coily>  Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 (>=1.701.0) but it is not installable
[10:46] <Coily>   Depends: libpng12-0 (>=1.2.8rel) but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:46] <Coily>  Depends: libquicktime1 but it is not going to be installed
[10:46] <Coily>   Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>1.2.7+1.2.8) but 1.2.7-7 is to be installed
[10:46] <Tuxicity> Coily, is it Debian Marillat?
[10:46] <_michael_> irc-ssl: newbie here, but as it seems desktop based, it would seem to be overkill for a router setup - maybe a more hardened dist ?
[10:46] <Coily> i believe i have that added
[10:46] <ompaul> jazzka, the whole point is that it can be used on a *not linux* box without `interferring` with the other software on such a machine
[10:47] <ompaul> mind you why you would have somehthing other than linux or bsd confuses the hell out of me
[10:48] <ompaul> about time too clyons :) now welcome to the world of ubuntu
[10:48] <clyons> ohch that hurts!
[10:49] <danielbell> what the hell is a .djvu file?
[10:49] <zbrown> danielbell: check http://filext.com
[10:49] <irc-ssl> _michael_: mhm I just dont know what to think because I need to set it up fast and it's performance would be used on lan users.. but now I think of what OS to choose.. maybe Linux for stability maybe M$ for more desktop PC..
[10:50] <_michael_> irc-ssl: I'd certainly recommend Linux. Just maybe a server-based distribution. as zbrown said.
[10:51] <nozzy> It amazes me that Ubuntu has such a small memory footprint (as in default not-too-many-apps-open desktop)
[10:51] <zbrown> ubuntu is qualified im sure, and there's been discussion ont he devel lists and on the forum about a 'server' distro but its not gonna happen, it'll be aimed towards a desktop setup w/ gui and if you want a server you can just uninstall the X stuff yourself and add apache/ftp/nfs/whatever else you may need
[10:51] <irc-ssl> _michael_: yes, you're right ;) I'll try to find some reviews in forums ;) 10x
[10:52] <zbrown> irc-ssl: take a look at astaro linux or engarde linux also
[10:52] <Tuxicity> Use the Fork, Lux!
[10:52] <ompaul> okay question about debian - what do you think about gimp not opening a file starting with a \. from its menu? it can't see such a beastie several other apps do this also :)
[10:53] <_michael_> I assume I need to rebuild my kernel to enable SMP (for hyperthreading), and use my 2G of RAM ?
[10:53] <ompaul> feck this
[10:53] <ompaul> oops
[10:53] <theine> hi, does anybody know how to get the acrobat reader 7,0 pre-release?
[10:54] <ompaul> wrong window
[10:55] <Tuxicity> May the Fork be with U
[10:55] <Cube-ness> hey.. tryin gto figure out just whats going wrong.. kernel hangs, sometimes gives panic message or a couple Ooops messages.. how can i get slogs of the problems?
[10:55] <Cube-ness> logs too
[10:56] <ompaul> Tuxicity, that and fr jack
[10:58] <zbrown> _michael_: check the smp kernel, it might work
[10:58] <HcE> _michael_: you don't have to rebuild the kernel to use 2G RAM
[10:58] <_michael_> zbrown: Thx.
[10:58] <_michael_> HcE: But it's limited to 900MB at the moment
[10:58] <HcE> oh
[10:59] <HcE> in the Ubuntu kernel?
[10:59] <ompaul> _michael_, what processor?
[10:59] <_michael_> HcE: Yes.
[10:59] <HcE> I compile my own kernels
[10:59] <_michael_> ompaul: P4 2.4
[11:00] <ompaul> hmm
[11:00] <acolyte> hmm I'm trying to install realplayer but the problen is, that Ubuntu has an installer which still thinks the latest version is 8 but on the site the installer points to 10Gold is allready out. The installer suggests to rename the file to the one it's scripted for anyway, but after all it refuses to install
[11:01] <warty> so how is ubuntu difrent
[11:01] <ompaul> warty, different from?  there are so many places to start answering that
[11:01] <warty> well im running gentoo at the moment
[11:01] <bronson> acolyte: good lord, after learning the printpro lesson you're going to install Real????????
[11:02] <irc-ssl> zbrown: 10x, I will.
[11:02] <bronson> acolyte: just install mplayer and the w32 codecs.  afaik, all real formats are supported.
[11:02] <acolyte> bronson: errr... like challenges :P lol, mplayer it will be. Sorry for being so n00bish :P
[11:03] <bronson> Real has given me more headaches than any other software on the planet, including Windows.
[11:03] <Coily> mmmph i cant find libpng10-0_1.0.18
[11:03] <ompaul> warty, it is debian based, it is released more regularly than debian, and it abandons the idea of a root login and institutes sudo as the path to enlightenment
[11:04] <Tuxicity> Coily, libpng shouldnt be hard to find...
[11:04] <SOKOLOFF> http://www.google.com/search?q=libpng10-0_1.0.18
[11:04] <ompaul> warty, it is getting lots of good press, I like it
[11:04] <Cube-ness> i just want newer kernels to not panic
[11:05] <SOKOLOFF>  
[11:05] <Cube-ness> i know its something in hotplug ini
[11:05] <Cube-ness> tt
[11:05] <Coily> Tuxicity a simple google search showed it... but why it isnt in the main repositories is way beyond me
[11:05] <Cube-ness> but i cant figure out which part exactly
[11:05] <ompaul> I will admit that I still have not moved my own desktop to it, I have moved others in the family to it, I am waiting on hoary in April then I will move, if I do not go before that
[11:06] <Coily> dear lord i just spent an hour trying to do something in linux i couldve done right away in xp =[
[11:06] <Coily> whoops i meant to complain privately
[11:06] <ompaul> Coily, well tell everyone how to solve that, doc it up and publish so that it can be found again :)
[11:06] <Slave> warty, I use gentoo as well, installed ubuntu on a spare partition,  I personally won't switch to it, but I'm very impressed with it and have been recommending it to people
[11:07] <Cube-ness> Coily, um.. you likely did it the wrong way, or the time is simply a factor of your not knowing what your doing coupled with your bias towards windows
[11:07] <Cube-ness> youre
[11:07] <Cube-ness> heh
[11:07] <_michael_> I installed gentoo last weekend. Was still compiling on Monday, so re-installed XP in 20 mins, as needed to work. I liked the seamless ubuntu install though.
[11:08] <nozzy> What is best practice for getting a k7 kernel for ubuntu?
[11:08] <Coily> Cube-ness na most of it was me being lazy
[11:08] <theine> Coily: what was it that you were trying to do?
[11:08] <theine> nozzy:installing it via synaptic?
[11:08] <acolyte> bronson: mplayer it is... You could tell me that I needed the custom build to work with Ubuntu.. Should have saved me a lot of thinking :P
[11:09] <bronson> Ah, right.  Sorry.  It's been a long time since I installed it.
[11:09] <sigglet> mplayer works fine from apt repo's
[11:09] <nozzy> theine, like searching for k7 kernel or so (I am so new to this distro)
[11:09] <sigglet> nozzy: apt-cache search kernel
[11:10] <Coily> well first i had to resolve the wmv for an asx stream and download a bunch of files which took time... luckily i knew of an exe which did the trick and ran in wine. but before that i was messing around with vlc trying to download the wmv only to have no audio... and now i have to convert the wmv to avi
[11:10] <theine> nozzy: open up synaptic package manager, search for "linux-image", select the k7 image, and hit apply
[11:10] <theine> nozzy: mark it for installation before you hit apply
[11:10] <Tuxicity> Coily, hey
[11:10] <nozzy> theine, thnx
[11:11] <acolyte> bronson: I need to re-login I guess? nothing has shown up in the Gnome menu yet and also the 'mplayer' command in execute doesn't work?
[11:11] <_michael_> are all the standard-build (in apt-cache) kernels limited to 900MB >
[11:11] <_michael_> ?
[11:11] <nozzy> theine, hopefully it has a nice performance boost :D
[11:11] <Coily> Tuxicity yes?
[11:12] <bronson> acolyte: probably not.  What exactly did you install?
[11:12] <theine> acolyte: what CPU do you have?
[11:13] <acolyte> bronson:   libavcodec2 libfaad2-0 libggi2 libgii0 libgii0-target-x libimlib2 liblame0 libpostproc0 libxvidcore4 mplayer-custom
[11:13] <Cube-ness> where do i fond the damn logs of a boot that failed because of a kernel panic?  is there a way i can see what hotplug is doing when it hangs?
[11:13] <Tuxicity> Coily, nothing :)
[11:13] <acolyte> theine: AMD64 3500+
[11:13] <bronson> acolyte: you still need to install mplayer-k7, or whatever your arch is.
[11:13] <Coily> Tuxicity =[
[11:14] <Tuxicity> acolyte, wow
[11:14] <theine> acolyte: bad news, mplayer-custom never worked for me on machines with AMD CPU
[11:14] <bronson> Huh, I don't see a 64 bit mplayer.  Not sure what to use there.  586 will work.
[11:14] <theine> acolyte: could you open up a terminal and run mplayer in there?
[11:15] <warty> (mr.) Slave, does ubutuieu(w/e) have its one packit manigment system, or is it just apt-get?
[11:15] <MacHelp> how do you install .bin, what is the terminal code
[11:16] <acolyte> bronson: 386 refused duty
[11:16] <bronson> acolyte: how?
[11:16] <Slave> warty, It uses apt-get but it has it's own package repositories, as I understand, although it also shares packages with Debian
[11:16] <warty> ah
[11:16] <warty> k
[11:16] <theine> acolyte: soes it require libavcodeccvs which is not installable?
[11:16] <Coily> can someone tell me what this command does:
[11:16] <acolyte> theine: mplayer DOES run in terminal (xshell that is) but that's to complicated
[11:16] <Coily> aptitude install mplayer-X=1.0-pre6a-0.0
[11:17] <Coily> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=mplayer said that will install mplayer but it doesnt
[11:17] <theine> acolyte: have you tried playing something mplayer using the command line?
[11:17] <bronson> acolyte: oh, I misunderstood.  I thought it didn't work from the shell.
[11:17] <theine> ...with mplayer...
[11:18] <bronson> Just create a launcher if you want an icon to click on.
[11:18] <OmniColos> anyone fluent with wifi on mac using TTLS?
[11:18] <acolyte> wait, the 386 refused because of these packages not able to be installed
[11:18] <MacHelp> how do you install .bin, what is the terminal code
[11:18] <bronson> OmniColos: erm, are you in the right chnnel...?
[11:18] <theine> acolyte: I would expect you get the error message "Illegal instruction"
[11:19] <OmniColos> bronson: yes I am using Ubuntu on an ibook
[11:19] <OmniColos> bronson: I need to auth via WPA/TTLS to connect via wifi
[11:19] <acolyte> the following packages have non-completed requirements: mplayer-386: Requirements: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) maar het is niet installeerbaar libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) libdvdread2 libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1)
[11:19] <jazzka> hi!
[11:20] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, .bin files are executables, I think, so just ./file.bin
[11:20] <bronson> I need to run.
[11:20] <acolyte> wh00ps, forgot some dutch messages :D
[11:20] <jazzka> I've got a nvidia geforce2 mx 400, I would like to use the tv-out option, is it opssible with linux
[11:20] <jazzka> ??
[11:20] <Tuxicity> bronson, GO!
[11:20] <acolyte> ignore those, it's not important
[11:20] <bronson> Good luck acolyte.
[11:20] <MacHelp> Tuxicity, it's not executable
[11:21] <theine> acolyte: how do you try to install mplayer if i may ask?
[11:21] <OmniColos> MacHelp can I bug you about wifi on an ibook?
[11:21] <MacHelp> OmniColos, no
[11:21] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, then what?
[11:21] <OmniColos> k ;)
[11:21] <MacHelp> Tuxicity, when I try to execute it says file The filename "RealPlayer10GOLD.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "executable". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[11:21] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, is it an autopackage file?
[11:22] <MacHelp> i don't think so
[11:22] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, then it IS an executable
[11:22] <MacHelp> then it must be autopackage
[11:22] <MacHelp> lol
[11:22] <MacHelp> it says The filename "RealPlayer10GOLD.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "executable". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[11:23] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, exactly
[11:23] <tjs> how can I make the ubuntu software updater use a proxy?
[11:23] <tjs> Ive got my proxy environment variables set, as well as the gnome proxy setting
[11:23] <MacHelp> it says somewhat to change the file extensions to make executavkle
[11:23] <cardador> tjs: sudo nano /etc/apt/apt.conf
[11:23] <tjs> it doesnt seem to honor either
[11:24] <hawke_> How can I start the ubuntu software updater's notification area icon?
[11:24] <tjs> bah
[11:24] <tjs> sucky
[11:24] <tjs> ok
[11:24] <spades> im running 2.6.8.1-3-386 on warty any reason why "localhost kernel: Warning only 896MB will be used." out of my 1gb ram?
[11:24] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, ya, do it, reanme it to RealPlayer10GOLD without the .bin
[11:24] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, rename*
[11:24] <cardador> tjs: write this: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user:pass@address:port";
[11:24] <MacHelp> ok
[11:25] <tjs> cheers
[11:25] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, it's probably a built-in installer
[11:26] <MacHelp> Tuxicity, it'
[11:26] <MacHelp> it's not working
[11:26] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, as in?
[11:26] <MacHelp> Nothing happens
[11:27] <_michael_> spades: I think all the pre-built kernels are limited to 900Meg... I'm looking at the same, as I have 2GB.
[11:27] <spades> _michael_: any way around it/
[11:27] <kent> does some one know how to clean the cartridge on a lexmark printer in Linux? :(
[11:27] <_michael_> spades: build a custom kernel ?
[11:27] <MacHelp> Tuxicity, thanks for help but I remember the terminal code chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[11:27] <Tuxicity> MacHelp, oooooh ya, you have to make it executable first
[11:28] <spades> _michael_: ok thanks, will report bakc
[11:29] <MacHelp> yea
[11:30] <Tuxicity> q: If my CD writer supports 8X write speed and 4x rewrite speed, can it burn at 6X ?
[11:31] <GammaRay> a cd-r yes
[11:31] <GammaRay> not a cd-rw
[11:31] <Tuxicity> GammaRay, what about 7X (odd speeds)
[11:32] <chillywilly> my damn scroll mouse doesn't work now that I changed it to /dev/psaux
[11:32] <GammaRay> my guess would be yes.. but I'd have to test it to be sure
[11:32] <chillywilly> and used a usb to ps/2 adapter
[11:32] <chillywilly> (for my kvm)
[11:32] <Tuxicity> GammaRay, ok thanks for the info
[11:32] <chillywilly> anyone have any idea why this would occur?
[11:32] <chillywilly> it's the same protocol ImPS/2
[11:32] <chillywilly> so...wtf
[11:32] <_michael_> Is there an ubuntu package anywhere for nvu (http://www.nvu.com/) ?
[11:35] <Tuxicity> chillywilly, I think you need a USB to ps/2 adapter made especially for your mouse..? 0_o
[11:36] <chillywilly> Tuxicity: this is the one that came in the package
[11:36] <chillywilly> with the mouse
[11:36] <Tuxicity> oh
[11:36] <phil__23423> I'm new to linux and recently installed ubuntu, the problem I'm having is that I cannot connect to the internet (ADSL) any suggestions?
[11:36] <chillywilly> maybe it has something to do with this KVM
[11:38] <chillywilly> heh, pulled it out then plugged it back in and now it is working
[11:38] <chillywilly> must've been a bad connection or some shit
[11:38] <Coily> there are no ubuntu packages for libfaac0_1.24-0.3 ='[
[11:38] <Tuxicity> chillywilly, you're lucky ;)
[11:38] <chillywilly> Tuxicity: why am I lucky?
[11:39] <Tuxicity> chillywilly, oh just that my adpater never worked...
[11:39] <Tuxicity> Coily, in Ubuntu, you shouldnt have to search for every lib manually...
[11:39] <Coily> unfortunately thats whats going on
[11:40] <Tuxicity> Coily, no dependency resolution?
[11:40] <Coily> apt-get install -t hoary mplayer-586 tells me i need libavcodeccvs, libavcodevcvs says i need libffac0, etc etc
[11:42] <Tuxicity> Coily, that must be either in marillat on in Debian itself.. or multiverse/universe?
[11:42] <Coily> is it considered "safe" to install a debian package?
[11:42] <Tuxicity> Coily, which repos u have?
[11:42] <Coily> lemme check
[11:42] <hawke_> Coily: It is for the case of the marillat packages
[11:43] <hawke_> Coily: and in my experience, any package that isn't in ubuntu, the debian package will be fine.
[11:44] <nicholsc> how do i fix my display on my ubuntu install
[11:44] <Coily> alright ill give one i found on google a shot
[11:44] <nicholsc> the login screen is all weird, with the bottom in the middle of the screen
[11:44] <nicholsc> and i can't see the whole desktop
[11:44] <nicholsc> i know i need to run some king of config tool
[11:45] <nicholsc> but i cant get it to boot into anything except the gnome login
[11:45] <danielbell> or adjust your monitor
[11:45] <nicholsc> i have a laptop
[11:45] <danielbell> i c
[11:45] <danielbell> with my pc lcd sometimes i have to adjust it as it creeps off to the right
[11:45] <nicholsc> no, its like totally trying to load the wrong size
[11:45] <nicholsc> how do i get it to boot into linuxconf
[11:46] <nicholsc> or the xfree86 config
[11:46] <nicholsc> by which i mean, boot into console
[11:46] <danielbell> XFree86 -configure
[11:46] <danielbell> or something
[11:46] <nicholsc> but how do i get it to boot into that
[11:46] <danielbell> always finds the best settings for my lappy
[11:46] <nicholsc> instead of into the gnome login page
[11:46] <danielbell> ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:46] <danielbell> ?
[11:47] <danielbell> or something like that anyway
[11:47] <nicholsc> that wont stop the boot
[11:47] <danielbell> or at the gdm screen select the terminal session
[11:48] <nicholsc> i can't do that
[11:48] <danielbell> last but not least you could go in single user mode (is that what ubuntu calls recovery?) and change init so it doesnt run in graphical mode
[11:48] <nicholsc> i've tried
[11:48] <danielbell> then reboot and it will be all text
[11:49] <njan> Ctrl-Alt-F2?
[11:49] <njan> or F1? or F3?
[11:49] <njan> :p
[11:49] <danielbell> thats the one
[11:49] <danielbell> backspace just borks X doesnt it
[11:54] <OmniColos> is zenwhen around?