sabdfl | sleep does help | 12:00 |
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T-Bone | heh | 12:01 |
dredg | AndyR: sadly not. i lack necessary funds atm :) | 12:01 |
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AndyR | dredg, same here | 12:01 |
tseng | mxpxpod: hey | 12:01 |
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mxpxpod | thom: when did you start working on the pmi? | 12:02 |
mxpxpod | tseng: hey | 12:02 |
tseng | mxpxpod: did you by chance try my muine package in hoary? | 12:02 |
tseng | mxpxpod: i got a bug that says its b0rk on ppc, but only one report | 12:02 |
mxpxpod | tseng: yeah, but since polypaudio is being freaky, I can't listen to music right now | 12:03 |
tseng | you cant kill it and use alsasink? | 12:03 |
mxpxpod | hold on | 12:03 |
tseng | id hate to be out of music :P | 12:03 |
AndyR | polypaudio fixes sound in skype :) | 12:03 |
mxpxpod | tseng: ok, using alsasink, it works | 12:04 |
T-Bone | holly shit | 12:04 |
tseng | mxpxpod: hm so you didnt install anything extra? | 12:04 |
mxpxpod | tseng: no, not that I know of | 12:04 |
ogra | dredg: yeah MOTU power :) | 12:04 |
T-Bone | i just installed debian's mozilla-firefox package on my ubuntu box | 12:04 |
T-Bone | guess what | 12:04 |
T-Bone | it works | 12:04 |
T-Bone | looks like tracking the bug will be much easier | 12:04 |
tseng | mxpxpod: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6805 < this sounded fishy from the start | 12:05 |
tseng | mxpxpod: seeing as it works for you.. very fishy indeed. | 12:05 |
mxpxpod | ok, I gotta get going | 12:05 |
mxpxpod | what's thom's email addy? | 12:05 |
tseng | cya, thanks | 12:05 |
tseng | ill check the ml | 12:05 |
T-Bone | sabdfl: sounds promising | 12:06 |
tseng | thom@ubuntu.com works mxpxpod | 12:06 |
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dredg | ogra: well, for now catching up with the ones i sent to dh for review. i'm learning that caffeine + no sleep is not really conducive to working packages :) | 12:07 |
dredg | man i don't sleep enough | 12:07 |
ogra | yeah, thats a sideeffect....you get used to it ;) | 12:08 |
mxpxpod | thanks tseng | 12:08 |
dredg | ogra: :) | 12:08 |
dredg | oh, and muine++ | 12:08 |
dredg | especially if, like me, you like to listen to albums. damn nice. | 12:09 |
mxpxpod | tseng: yeah, I don't like how the alsa sink sounds... it can be very jerky | 12:09 |
mdz | haggai: ping, re: oo.o2 | 12:09 |
mxpxpod | tseng: so I'm waiting for the polypaudio stuff to be fixed | 12:09 |
tseng | mxpxpod: k. thanks for testing though | 12:09 |
dredg | mxpxpod: really? i haven't used a sound daemon in a few years | 12:10 |
mxpxpod | dredg: ppc? | 12:10 |
aj | oh my, i didn't even know suspicous minds was an elvis song | 12:10 |
dredg | mxpxpod: ah, no :) | 12:10 |
mxpxpod | strange... gnome-volume-control is segfaulting | 12:11 |
jdub | tseng, mxpxpod: disable the alsa sink | 12:11 |
mxpxpod | jdub: huh? | 12:11 |
tseng | jdub: hm? | 12:11 |
tseng | oh in polypaudio | 12:11 |
tseng | not gst | 12:11 |
jdub | on ppc, disable the polypaudio alsa sink | 12:11 |
T-Bone | so it's either Pango or IDN at fault, afaics | 12:13 |
mxpxpod | jdub: I still get an assertion... it says something about the sink disconnecting | 12:13 |
mdz | jdub: what's the status of that bug which causes the login sound not to play? is there a bug open in bugzilla? | 12:14 |
mxpxpod | I have to get going | 12:14 |
mxpxpod | jdub: I'll talk to you more about this tomorrow | 12:14 |
jdub | mdz: lennart is looking at it; don't think there is actually - i'll add one if not | 12:16 |
T-Bone | mdz: would it be possible that if the compiler blurped when building firefox, the package generated would have lived 2 weeks? ie, there's no "auto-rebuild-everything' yet, right? | 12:16 |
mxpxpod | tseng: btw, muine works great | 12:17 |
mxpxpod | no problems here | 12:17 |
tseng | mxpxpod: thanks dude | 12:17 |
tseng | ill quote you on that :P | 12:17 |
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mdz | T-Bone: the most recent build was successful; successful builds are not retried | 12:21 |
T-Bone | ok | 12:23 |
T-Bone | mdz: i hope that's something like that | 12:23 |
T-Bone | mdz: that would explain why thom's build worked too | 12:23 |
haggai | mdz: pong, half completed message re oo2 in Draft folder | 12:24 |
T-Bone | maybe there's hope to fix these two issues during this weekend, after all... | 12:27 |
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haggai | mdz: mail completed and sent. I had been looking at the gcj status | 12:28 |
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remi` | night everyone | 12:38 |
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sabdfl | night all | 12:46 |
dredg | night sabdfl | 12:46 |
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zul | hey | 12:47 |
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zul | mdz: is it ok if we close those inotify related bugs? | 12:50 |
mdz | zul: if we still plan to move to inotify eventually, they should be downgraded but not closed | 12:52 |
zul | ok.. | 12:53 |
mdz | zul: are there other bugs which should be reopened due to disabling inotify? | 12:53 |
zul | i can check | 12:53 |
zul | 7 i know of plus the one i have and the duplicates | 12:54 |
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mdz | jdub,zul: was it dnotify->inotify which fixed the problems with being unable to unmount removable devices sometimes? or was that fam->gamin? | 01:07 |
zul | i was able to reproduce the problems with fam->gamin | 01:08 |
zul | i didnt have a usb key with me to test the unmounting removable drives since i was at work at the time | 01:09 |
mdz | zul: I've done a little testing with noinotify, and I don't seem to have the old problems of being unable to unmount | 01:11 |
zul | mdz: 2.6.10.4-23? | 01:12 |
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ajmitch | hm, no elmo around to request sync | 01:17 |
mdz | zul: yes | 01:19 |
mdz | ajmitch: email works | 01:19 |
ajmitch | mdz: yes, there is that | 01:19 |
zul | mdz: ok ill put it on my todo list this weekend | 01:19 |
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seb128 | mdz: gamin is less bugged than fam in this area but inotify really fixes the issue | 01:21 |
zul | seb128: by keeping inotify off? | 01:22 |
seb128 | <mdz> jdub,zul: was it dnotify->inotify which fixed the problems with being unable to unmount removable devices sometimes? or was that fam->gamin? | 01:22 |
zul | k | 01:22 |
mdz | :-( | 01:22 |
seb128 | about this | 01:22 |
mdz | so now we will encounter those problems again, since we have disabled inotify | 01:22 |
seb128 | inotify doesn't need to open a fd on the device | 01:22 |
ajmitch | mdz: upload@u.o? | 01:22 |
seb128 | probably .. | 01:22 |
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T-Bone | hmm | 01:31 |
T-Bone | so here it is: | 01:31 |
T-Bone | mozilla-firefox works fine as long as you don't install any locale packe | 01:31 |
T-Bone | -e | 01:31 |
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T-Bone | confirmed | 01:36 |
T-Bone | firefox 1.0+dfsg.1-2 segfaults the same way while it works just fine on my debian system | 01:37 |
mdz | zul: do you have a master bug for the hang-on-unmount issue with inotify? | 01:40 |
mdz | zul: 6877 is a duplicate of it | 01:40 |
T-Bone | mdz: just fyi, seems that oo.o is also somehow the culprit for the mozilla bug... | 01:41 |
zul | mdz: no i dont ill create one right now | 01:41 |
zul | mdz: #6929. | 01:43 |
jdub | seb128: inotify fixes that | 01:43 |
lamont | T-Bone: interesting | 01:43 |
jdub | seb128: when it's not hanging your kernel ;) | 01:43 |
seb128 | jdub: <seb128> mdz: gamin is less bugged than fam in this area but inotify really fixes the issue | 01:44 |
seb128 | jdub: yeah :) | 01:44 |
jdub | yeah :) | 01:44 |
jdub | heh | 01:44 |
jdub | so, i think we should pull in inotify updates | 01:44 |
T-Bone | lamont: a good way to check that would be to try removing language packs on a known working hoary box (x86/ppc/whatever) and see if installing a mozilla locale kills it the same way | 01:44 |
jdub | but i'm not too worried if we disable it for the release | 01:44 |
T-Bone | lamont: if it does then we're all setup -ENOTIA64BUG, if it doesn't then it's ia64-specific but not mozilla specific, probably something weird in the language support system | 01:45 |
T-Bone | my bet is on the first case | 01:45 |
seb128 | jdub: is there a working inotify ? | 01:45 |
jdub | seb128: rml's doing lockless work that will arrive as 0.20 most likely | 01:45 |
seb128 | jdub: the gnome-control-center's maintainer in debian works as a kernel guy for mandrake and according to him they don't have such issues with new versions | 01:46 |
seb128 | jdub: I'll poke him again | 01:46 |
jdub | seb128: 0.19? | 01:46 |
zul | jdub: got an idea when 0.20 when? | 01:46 |
jdub | zul: i'll ping rml for info | 01:47 |
zul | k great | 01:47 |
seb128 | jdub: I spoke with him like 1 week ago and according to him they have fixed their issues with inotify | 01:47 |
jdub | seb128: hrm, rml may have folded it in to 0.19 updates | 01:47 |
jdub | hmm. | 01:47 |
jdub | seb128: cooker kernel? | 01:47 |
seb128 | I think he's working for 10.2 | 01:47 |
seb128 | dunno how they handle the different branches | 01:48 |
jdub | cooker is their devel branch | 01:48 |
mdz | zul: thanks | 01:48 |
jdub | zul: perhaps check what mdk are doing in cooker | 01:48 |
seb128 | yeah, but they are probably already frozen for 10.2 ? | 01:48 |
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jdub | seb128: no idea ;-) | 01:48 |
jdub | hopefully they have public srpms though | 01:48 |
jdub | rml isn't around atm | 01:48 |
mdz | jdub: who should own gnome-app-install bugs in Bugzilla? | 01:49 |
jdub | mdz: me, might switch owner/qa to me and ross later | 01:49 |
jdub | zul: email? | 01:49 |
zul | jdub: zulcss@gmail.com | 01:50 |
jdub | zul: mailed rml, cc'ed you :) | 01:51 |
zul | thanks | 01:52 |
zul | mdz: is it possible to add the kernel-team so when there is a bug report for the kernel that they get notified as well? | 01:52 |
jdub | we can add kernel-team to the qa contact for the kernel packages | 01:52 |
jdub | can do now if you want | 01:52 |
zul | sure | 01:52 |
mdz | zul: sure, what is the email address for the kernel team? | 01:53 |
jdub | mdz: doing atm | 01:53 |
mdz | ok | 01:53 |
jdub | (kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com btw, which you should probably join :) | 01:54 |
zul | heh..alrady on | 01:54 |
lamont | thanks jdub/mdz | 01:55 |
jdub | do you want l-r-m too? | 01:55 |
zul | lamont: ^^^ | 01:56 |
lamont | jdub: I thought that was daniels... | 01:56 |
jdub | should it be kernel team? | 01:56 |
lamont | those tend to mostly be X borkage, although some firmware stuff finds its way in there | 01:56 |
lamont | if daniels thinks so, I agree | 01:57 |
lamont | I don't want to steal it from him and all that. :-P | 01:57 |
lamont | bbiam | 01:58 |
jdub | ok, only changing qa contact for now anyway | 01:59 |
jdub | ahar! | 01:59 |
jdub | time to go to codefest | 01:59 |
jdub | where tehre will be lots of ubuntu usres | 01:59 |
lamont | time to feed horses | 01:59 |
jdub | and ubuntu a11y hacking :) | 01:59 |
zul | bbl | 02:02 |
elmo_ | $ su - | 02:05 |
elmo_ | Sorry. | 02:05 |
elmo_ | hmm. | 02:05 |
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mdz | elmo_: context? | 02:07 |
jdub | mdz: would we regard udev not even installing or upgrading on 2.4 systems as NOTUBUNTU? | 02:07 |
elmo_ | mdz: sarge -> hoary; it's the usual libc6 upgrade fux0rs libnss-db | 02:08 |
mdz | jdub: I think we would need to fix that in order to support upgrades from 2.4 systems | 02:10 |
mdz | elmo_: I thought that typically only fux0red running processes | 02:10 |
elmo_ | mdz: until make is rerun, libnss-db stuff isn't recognised, for new or running processes | 02:11 |
elmo_ | heh, libc6.1 is 'optional' in our overrides | 02:11 |
elmo_ | mdz: it's not disastrous, as long as you have a privleged non-libnss-db account or a cron'ed regeneration.. | 02:13 |
jdub | mdz: yeah, i now have a linode (uml), and stuck without ubuntu-base due to udev | 02:13 |
jdub | (though after that, i removed most of ubuntu-base for space reasons) | 02:14 |
dredg | reminds me, must build a ubuntu fs for uml | 02:14 |
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mako | someone want to take a look at this before i send it out? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder | 02:20 |
mako | go ahead and makes changes to ti | 02:20 |
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jdub | mako: when do you want to send it? | 02:21 |
mako | i'm writing up the announcement now | 02:21 |
mako | i'll be ready in like 15-20 minutes max | 02:21 |
jdub | hrm | 02:21 |
mako | want to wait? | 02:21 |
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jdub | nah, not worth it | 02:22 |
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mako | what would we wait for? | 02:23 |
ajmitch | where in Sydney will it be? | 02:23 |
jdub | ajmitch: rushcutters bay | 02:23 |
ajmitch | joy, ANZAC day in .au | 02:23 |
jdub | ajmitch: south of the harbour, near potts point | 02:23 |
ajmitch | alright | 02:23 |
jdub | so we can perve on celebs | 02:23 |
mako | jdub: we want to set a deadline for sponsorship that's mid-march | 02:23 |
ajmitch | mako: ah, there will be sponsorship? | 02:24 |
jdub | mako: just thinking about missing info, but we can fill that in later, not important right now | 02:24 |
mako | ajmitch: yes | 02:24 |
mako | ajmitch: it's in the page :) | 02:24 |
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=== dredg will not be attending (unless someone wants to donate heavily to the dredg fund) ;) | ||
=== ajmitch is hoping to attend | ||
dredg | ajmitch: you're in the right hemisphere at least :) | 02:26 |
ajmitch | dredg: just a quick hop across the tasman.. | 02:26 |
ajmitch | pity about the steep sydney airport taxes though | 02:26 |
ajmitch | jdub: how far from there to lewisham? :) | 02:26 |
jdub | not far really | 02:27 |
jdub | 20min drive? | 02:27 |
ajmitch | great, there's some people there I want to meet up with | 02:27 |
jdub | without traffic | 02:27 |
jdub | but being sydney... :) | 02:27 |
mako | so many australians... | 02:28 |
jdub | sydney's a country town compared to LA | 02:28 |
jdub | NY | 02:28 |
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ajmitch | well I got used to a 1hr+ commute into the CBD from where I was staying in melbourne | 02:28 |
mako | it's like the frog in hot water technique | 02:28 |
mako | jdub: think i should send this announce? | 02:28 |
mako | jdub: to -announce even | 02:29 |
mako | jdub: or -news | 02:29 |
jdub | announce | 02:29 |
mako | cool | 02:29 |
jdub | silbs asked you to? | 02:29 |
mako | it was implied | 02:29 |
jdub | heh | 02:29 |
mako | but it seems sensible | 02:29 |
jdub | worth announcing "conference will be here, on these dates, more info to come" anyway | 02:30 |
mako | and "if you want sponsorship, this is the place to sign up" | 02:30 |
jdub | AEROBUCKS HERE ---> | 02:30 |
mako | we'l have a list of interested people to mail with new information in the future | 02:30 |
ajmitch | hm, should I consider applying? | 02:30 |
mako | ajmitch: yes | 02:30 |
jdub | ajmitch: priority goes to people in the region, so yeah, hell yeah | 02:31 |
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mako | last time, *most* people who applied got funding | 02:31 |
HrdwrBoB | daniels is not allowed to go >:| | 02:31 |
HrdwrBoB | our wedding is on the 30th | 02:31 |
jdub | our being you and daniels? :) | 02:32 |
HrdwrBoB | <3 | 02:32 |
mako | does daniels know about this? | 02:32 |
mako | his imminent matrimonial state | 02:32 |
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jdub | imminent? dude, he's married to ME | 02:33 |
HrdwrBoB | :o | 02:33 |
HrdwrBoB | he never told me that | 02:33 |
jdub | he didn't want to < 3 your <3 | 02:33 |
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jdub | wifi is slow | 02:33 |
mako | daniels: fscking bigamist | 02:34 |
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ajmitch | jdub: yes, I just rsynced a few hundred MB of ubuntu packages via 11b | 02:34 |
ajmitch | painful | 02:34 |
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jdub | thought i'd be out of here already | 02:34 |
mako | ok.. i'm gonnna announce this shindig | 02:39 |
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zul | back | 02:47 |
ajmitch | wb zul | 02:50 |
mdz | 1306 kept, 463 moved, 490 deleted. | 02:51 |
mdz | ubuntu-bugs is winning | 02:51 |
T-Bone | gah, my eyes are closing :P | 02:55 |
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cleaverAlf | i just received a STACK of Ubuntu in the mail but neither the LiveCD or Install CD will run on my little test system. Gigabyte MB GA5-AX, Adaptec 2940UW scsi controller, 18gb scsi 3 disk, 6x scsi CDRW, vodoo3 video card and Viewsonic 17GL monitor, and AMD800Mhz Athalon cpu. | 03:04 |
mdz | cleaverAlf: file a bug report at bugzilla.ubuntu.com with exact details about what you tried, and how it failed | 03:05 |
cleaverAlf | np.. thanx.. | 03:06 |
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zul | i 2.4 actually supported? | 03:21 |
zul | gah...stupid keyboard | 03:21 |
davyd | zul: no, since you need /sys to use HAL | 03:28 |
whiprush | too late in the freeze for mutt-ng? | 03:40 |
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jdub | whiprush: ha ha | 04:08 |
whiprush | hey no laughing, I've fixed 2 lintian errors on it already. :p | 04:10 |
jdub | whiprush: certainly a universe candidate candidate :) | 04:11 |
whiprush | yeah, obviously | 04:11 |
whiprush | I didn't mean in main | 04:11 |
whiprush | heh | 04:11 |
ajmitch | jdub: got any word on freeze dates for universe? | 04:17 |
ajmitch | like how much slack we have to get new packages in, python pkgs transitioned to 2.4 :) | 04:17 |
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dholbach | ok pals... i'm off to bed | 04:44 |
dholbach | it's 4:44 already | 04:44 |
dholbach | *yawn* | 04:44 |
ajmitch | night dholbach | 04:45 |
dholbach | sleep tight | 04:45 |
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dholbach | *wave* | 04:49 |
zulzzz | hey ogra | 05:00 |
mdz | jdub: they're using 2.4 UML? | 05:52 |
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jdub | mdz: yeah, they have an experimental 2.6, but mostly 2.4 | 06:16 |
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Kamion | morning | 09:57 |
daniels | g'morning | 09:58 |
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sid77 | hi | 10:14 |
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dholbach | hai | 11:28 |
dholbach | now this is funny: just for the fun of it, i started using arabic locale in gnome, but seems like loads of apps didnt understand to switch back the orientation, when i switched back to german (some still have arabic captions) | 11:31 |
dholbach | wow | 11:31 |
_d4vid | http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/news/archive/parishiltonaddressbook.htm | 11:34 |
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tritium | ajmitch, you around? | 11:57 |
ajmitch | yes, I am | 11:57 |
dholbach | hi tritium! | 11:57 |
dholbach | hi ajmitch! | 11:57 |
tritium | hi dholbach | 11:57 |
tritium | :) | 11:57 |
ajmitch | hey dholbach | 11:58 |
dholbach | woohoo! MOTU power! :-) | 11:58 |
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tritium | I'm really close here. I switched to cdbs, and I can't seem to exclude the package's files from the -doc package. | 11:58 |
ajmitch | ok.. | 11:59 |
ajmitch | tritium: are the same files being installed into both packages? | 12:03 |
tritium | ajmitch, yes, except for those I designated with DEB_INSTALL_DOCS_package-doc | 12:05 |
tritium | those are only placed in the -doc package | 12:05 |
ajmitch | right | 12:05 |
ajmitch | take a look at dh_install manpage | 12:06 |
tritium | ok | 12:06 |
ajmitch | time for me to go & sleep, sorry :) | 12:06 |
tritium | me too. It's 6 a.m. I need a little nap before I start my day. Thanks for your help :) | 12:06 |
ajmitch | heh | 12:06 |
ajmitch | night | 12:06 |
tritium | night | 12:07 |
dholbach | sleep tight you two | 12:11 |
dholbach | tritium: you uploaded the last package? | 12:11 |
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dholbach | can somebody confirm march 3rd as previewFreeze date, if i didnt get the schedule wrong? | 12:24 |
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T-None | dholbach: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule | 12:43 |
abelli | ciao a tuti | 12:44 |
abelli | enrico: xiao ming | 12:44 |
abelli | could you please tell me if k3b will be removed from hoary? | 12:45 |
dholbach | T-None: how do you read it? | 12:47 |
T-None | seems preview freeze is scheduled for feb 28 | 12:47 |
T-None | ie next monday | 12:47 |
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dholbach | T-None: actually all dates are due to wednesdays | 12:47 |
dholbach | hi dredg | 12:47 |
dredg | lo dholbach | 12:48 |
T-None | that would make sense then, I've been told PF is scheduled for march 2 | 12:48 |
dholbach | oh yes.. the 2nd | 12:48 |
T-None | (kamion told me so) | 12:48 |
dholbach | thanks | 12:48 |
T-None | np | 12:48 |
dholbach | need to set up MOTUTodo for it | 12:48 |
dholbach | jdub: ping | 12:54 |
sivang | hi all | 12:57 |
dholbach | hi sivan | 12:58 |
dholbach | brb | 12:58 |
sivang | just came to see what's news, be back later also | 01:01 |
svenl | hi Kamion ... | 01:03 |
svenl | anyway, hi guys. | 01:03 |
svenl | I am asked by my management how support for hoary officially stands in ubuntu for the pegasos. | 01:04 |
svenl | Regarding an announcement that we will be making on monday or something such for which i can't really give any detail. | 01:04 |
svenl | Now, as far as my understanding goes, current ubuntu/hoary fully supports the pegasos provided i fix the OF implementation to work with yaboot. | 01:05 |
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svenl | And then only two minor details need fixing : the marvell gigabit ethernet driver in the ubuntu kernel, and some X issue i mentioned DanielS. | 01:07 |
svenl | So, i am wondering what the official ubuntu position is on this matter ? | 01:07 |
svenl | (or who i could write about this). | 01:07 |
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abelli | ogra: ciao | 01:09 |
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svenl | oh well, will ask again later. | 01:10 |
abelli | sivang: hey | 01:12 |
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trukulo | hi ppl | 01:41 |
sladen | svenl: ping Kamion | 01:45 |
sladen | svenl: alot of people are currently at FOSDEM so things maybe a little laggy | 01:46 |
abelli | sladen: are you going there? | 01:55 |
svenl | sladen: ah, ok. | 01:57 |
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T-None | morning elmo_ | 01:59 |
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abelli | who is in belgium right now? | 02:00 |
elmo_ | T-Bone: hi | 02:02 |
T-Bone | elmo_: i've posted some status update about ia64 on the m-l, feel free to comment it as you see fit. I have notably not said anything about the livecd, since i haven't tested it in a while... | 02:03 |
elmo_ | T-Bone: ok | 02:07 |
T-Bone | thx | 02:07 |
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elmo_ | *.ubuntu.com's going down for kernel upgrade, bb in a few minutes | 02:40 |
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abelli | ogra: are you here? | 02:51 |
abelli | ogra: problems with graveman for warty. | 02:52 |
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ogra | abelli, sorry, that package is very outdated, i will build a new one after preview release (before i'm very busy with hwdb) | 03:02 |
abelli | ogra: no worries.. | 03:02 |
abelli | ogra: we can do it for you.. | 03:02 |
abelli | ogra: you will need just to check for it to work | 03:03 |
abelli | btw how's hailie? | 03:03 |
abelli | hal? | 03:03 |
ogra | missing the last patch....(dmidecode/bios data) | 03:03 |
ogra | will hopefully get included on monday | 03:04 |
abelli | is there any documentation about it? | 03:04 |
ogra | not yet | 03:04 |
abelli | where did you study? | 03:04 |
ogra | hal ? | 03:04 |
ogra | i looked at the code and patches of other ppl | 03:04 |
abelli | nice | 03:05 |
abelli | ...wonderful | 03:05 |
abelli | ...dont hate me for this.. | 03:05 |
ogra | ? | 03:05 |
abelli | what is hailie meant to do? | 03:05 |
ogra | http://www.grawert.net/hwdb_schema.png | 03:06 |
abelli | hooray | 03:06 |
tseng | ogra: hm | 03:06 |
abelli | ogra: thanks | 03:06 |
ogra | it collects the hwdata on your system....asks some questions and submits the data online | 03:07 |
ogra | ...oh, and performs sometests.... | 03:07 |
abelli | ogra: what kind of tests? | 03:08 |
ogra | the hoary variant will be rather trivial.....but the base for a much greater system in hoary+1 | 03:08 |
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ogra | something like: "do you hear this sound ?" (to test the sound hw).....or a ping to the first gateway to test the network config | 03:09 |
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zulzzz | ogra: i think #6934 is for you :) | 03:18 |
ogra | zul: hey, thanks :) | 03:20 |
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dholbach | abelli: when you finished graveman, i can review it too | 03:43 |
dholbach | abelli: hope you mean hoary :-) | 03:44 |
jdub | elmo_: ping | 03:45 |
abelli | dholbach: no ElephantHog | 03:46 |
abelli | dholbach: hoary+5 | 03:46 |
sladen | abelli: looking around, I think sladen, mjg59, Kinnison, daf, Treenaks, Riddell, Mithrandir are in Brussels. Along with about 10,000 Ubuntu CDs... | 03:46 |
abelli | sladen: can you buy me a tshirt from the gnu project?: ) | 03:47 |
elmo_ | jdub: ? | 03:48 |
dholbach | jdub: i'm sure you're quite busy, but do you think there's a way to put the ubuntu-love crowd to something like http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUTodo more explicitly? | 03:49 |
jdub | elmo_: just checking if you're around - please watch the new queue ;) | 03:49 |
jdub | dholbach: feel free to modify the UbuntuLove page :-) | 03:49 |
jdub | dholbach: there's a line about MOTU there | 03:50 |
ogra | dholbach: btw, could you reparent it to MOTU ? | 03:50 |
dholbach | jdub: could you add it to the channel's topic? | 03:50 |
dholbach | ogra: erm... if you told me how? *blush* | 03:50 |
dholbach | jdub: thanks :-) | 03:50 |
ogra | hmm, never did it, but it should be possible.... | 03:51 |
dholbach | i'll ask the MOTU gang | 03:51 |
ogra | done | 03:52 |
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ogra | dholbach: you can do it at the bottom of the page.....enter the new parent and click reparent | 03:52 |
dholbach | oh... i'll have a look - thanks | 03:53 |
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dholbach | seb128: ping | 03:55 |
seb128 | pong | 03:55 |
dholbach | seb128: shall i take care of the ruby-issue? | 03:55 |
seb128 | if you want | 03:55 |
dholbach | seb128: ok... will do later, after i reviewed dredg's packages | 03:55 |
dholbach | seb128: thanks for pointing out - you're awesome | 03:56 |
seb128 | you're welcome :) | 03:56 |
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trulux | default python for hoary is 2.4 | 03:59 |
trulux | right? | 03:59 |
tseng | right. | 03:59 |
trulux | ok | 03:59 |
dredg | dholbach, nautilus-python too :) | 03:59 |
trulux | any recommendation on python dependencies fullfilling? | 03:59 |
trulux | seems that python does not come with libselinux bindings | 04:00 |
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dholbach | dredg: you're so funny :-))) | 04:02 |
dredg | dholbach, there's still so much to do on the python transition :-/ | 04:06 |
dholbach | dredg: we'll manage... really, don't exhaust yourself | 04:07 |
dholbach | dredg: you're doing fabulous work | 04:08 |
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dredg | dholbach, just did a test build of zapping here. it appears to use python2.4 | 04:15 |
dholbach | dredg: i'm on amd64, so i ran into trouble | 04:15 |
dredg | aha | 04:16 |
dholbach | dredg: but can do another test tonight | 04:16 |
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karim | hi | 04:27 |
karim | I use ubuntu powerpc | 04:27 |
karim | the kernel udpate tries to use quik to configure the boot bloc, however I prefer yaboot | 04:28 |
karim | is that a deliberate choice ? | 04:28 |
trulux | err | 04:33 |
trulux | I wonder if upgrading from warty to hoary right now is realiable | 04:33 |
zul | trulux: why do you say that? | 04:34 |
dredg | trulux, yes. for certain values of reliable. | 04:40 |
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trulux | zul: I want to do it :) | 05:04 |
zul | then do it :) | 05:04 |
HiddenWolf | go girl! :) | 05:06 |
zul | right...ill be back later this afternoon | 05:09 |
trulux | elmo_: ping | 05:11 |
trulux | zul: just I want to know if minimal desktop applications work | 05:12 |
trulux | I mean | 05:12 |
elmo_ | trulux: ? | 05:12 |
trulux | elmo_: I've talked with mdz on creating an ubuntu-selinux and ubuntu-selinux-devel mailing lists | 05:12 |
trulux | elmo_: he commented you're the man to ask, if so, are you proud? | 05:13 |
elmo_ | trulux: err, no he didn't, he said jdub was the person to ask | 05:13 |
trulux | arr | 05:13 |
trulux | yeah | 05:13 |
trulux | sorry | 05:13 |
trulux | jdub: ping | 05:13 |
trulux | ajmitch. ping | 05:13 |
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trulux | any rep. with python2.4 for Warty? | 05:27 |
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HiddenWolf | trulux: no | 05:31 |
trulux | ok | 05:32 |
trulux | anyways, now works for both | 05:32 |
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dholbach | hi sabdfl | 05:44 |
Mithrandir | sabdfl: yes, I would imagine if ooo works on amd64, it should work on ia64 as well | 05:45 |
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dholbach | catch up with you later... need to get an hour of sleep | 05:49 |
dredg | just looking over the buildd log for blender.. has anyone seen this one: | 05:49 |
dredg | ccache: failed to create (null)/.ccache (No such file or directory) | 05:49 |
dredg | ah, google to the rescue | 05:51 |
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SuperL4g | On a whim I decided to download the latest Hoary install CD. I have to say... you guys ROCK. :) | 06:01 |
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dholbach | dredg: give it some nice kicks like thom did on firefox too :-) | 06:06 |
trulux | anybody here can tell me how to install python bindings within a package? even dh_python if it's what needs to be used | 06:07 |
trulux | ? | 06:07 |
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elmo_ | heh | 06:20 |
elmo_ | /dev/sda2 has gone 2613 days without being checked, check forced. | 06:20 |
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mdz | thom: around? | 06:28 |
trulux | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${python:Depends} | 06:39 |
trulux | hah | 06:40 |
dredg | trulux: man dh_python | 06:46 |
doko_ | trulux: what do you mean with "within a package"? | 06:48 |
trulux | nah, done | 06:48 |
trulux | dredg: ? | 06:48 |
trulux | dredg: referring to the unk. subs. message? | 06:48 |
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dredg | trulux, yeah | 06:50 |
trulux | dredg: ah, ok | 06:51 |
trulux | :) | 06:51 |
gnii | could someone recommend a high spec laptop that is most compatible with ubuntu. I'm after something semi-portable but not a desktop replacement. | 06:51 |
mdz | gnii: check the HardwareSupport page in the wiki, or ask on #ubuntu or ubuntu-users | 07:03 |
gnii | mdz: thanks, I have looked at a lot of support pages, it seems ibm is a good bet but. I am on ubuntu now and getting some feedback, many thanks | 07:04 |
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Nigelenki | is magical free root access a #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel issue? | 07:21 |
azeem | it might be an FAQ issue, if it involves sudo and typing your password | 07:22 |
Nigelenki | azeem: gksudo running ethereal | 07:22 |
Nigelenki | if I gksudo in a terminal, it asks for my password | 07:22 |
Nigelenki | if I then click cancel and hit applications->internet->ethereal (as root), it runs ethereal, as root, without asking me. | 07:22 |
sabdfl | hi dholbach | 07:22 |
Nigelenki | and i'm liek | 07:22 |
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Nigelenki | "Wait wtf it doesn't want my password?!!!!" | 07:23 |
sabdfl | Mithrandir: ok, thanks.. that solves one issue, we need oo.o2 building on amd64 anyhow | 07:23 |
sabdfl | Nigelenki: please file a bug, assign to pitti | 07:24 |
sabdfl | hey mdz | 07:24 |
Nigelenki | sabdfl: will do | 07:25 |
Nigelenki | sabdfl: at connonical right? | 07:28 |
Nigelenki | cannonical | 07:28 |
dredg | Nigelenki: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org | 07:28 |
sabdfl | i hope we aren't connonical ;-) | 07:29 |
sabdfl | so does everyone else on this adventure | 07:29 |
Nigelenki | dredg: yes I mean to assign to martin.pitt | 07:29 |
T-None | hey sabdfl! | 07:30 |
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sabdfl | hey T-None | 07:31 |
mdz | sabdfl: morning | 07:32 |
sabdfl | somewhere, yes | 07:32 |
T-None | sabdfl: i sent a report on the m-l, as we discussed yesterday. I hope this helps having a clearer view | 07:32 |
mdz | Nigelenki: that is not a bug; it's a feature | 07:33 |
mdz | please don't file in bugzilla | 07:33 |
Nigelenki | mdz: a feature that continuously gives root without password when it's apparently no longer cached? | 07:33 |
dredg | does it actually give root? | 07:33 |
Nigelenki | mdz: Should I be able to gksudo in a terminal without being prompted for my password? | 07:33 |
mdz | Nigelenki: yes, if you successfully used gksudo or sudo in the past 15 minutes | 07:33 |
Nigelenki | dredg: Yes, I believe. As root i can see net adapters in ethereal; as non-root, I don't see any. | 07:34 |
Nigelenki | mdz: MY symptoms are that in the terminal, gksudo asks for a password (which I don't give; I click cancel); and at the same time, I can click the ethereal menu entry and it gives the process root without asknig me for my password | 07:34 |
mdz | Nigelenki: the timeout is per-terminal | 07:35 |
Nigelenki | hmm. | 07:35 |
mdz | if you run "sudo -k", you'll find that it starts prompting you again | 07:35 |
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Nigelenki | but the last place I actually entered my password was text terminal | 07:35 |
Nigelenki | bluefox@icebox:~$ sudo -k | 07:36 |
Nigelenki | App -> internet -> ethereal (as root) | 07:36 |
Nigelenki | doesn't prompt me. | 07:36 |
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mdz | it certainly does prompt me | 07:36 |
Nigelenki | well it doesn't ask me shit o.o | 07:36 |
mdz | hmm, sudo -k doesn't seem to clear the timestamp for other terminals | 07:38 |
mdz | at any rate, it's just normal credential caching; it isn't magic root | 07:38 |
sabdfl | T-None: did you get my mail cc to Thierry? | 07:38 |
Nigelenki | mdz: I'll leave it for 15 mins | 07:38 |
mdz | Nigelenki: or sudo rm -rf /var/run/sudo/bluefox | 07:39 |
T-None | sabdfl: yeah i swa that | 07:39 |
T-None | sabdfl: let me know if it remains un-answered, but I doubt it will | 07:39 |
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cartman | is archive.ubuntu.com not working? | 07:48 |
cartman | can't connect to it | 07:48 |
Nigelenki | mdz: indeed, you're right, false alarm. Apparently sudo updates the timestamp every time it's run | 08:00 |
Nigelenki | so I could continue using it to "keep my root access alive" | 08:00 |
Nigelenki | (`sudo true` every 10 minutes say) | 08:00 |
Nigelenki | which is what happened with me running ethereal every 10 minutes to see if it'd prompt me yet guess | 08:00 |
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dredg | is anyone aware of any packages in ubuntu (apart from blender) that use scons to build? | 08:16 |
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Allen | can some here help me out with this small prob | 08:31 |
Allen | i got ubuntu runnin | 08:31 |
Allen | but then i dont have any loop devices | 08:32 |
Allen | do i have to use mkdnod | 08:32 |
Allen | or is there a way i can get the loop devices made | 08:32 |
trulux | I need pitti now | 08:33 |
trulux | :) | 08:33 |
trulux | gcc-hardened may be ready for tomorrow | 08:33 |
kent | Allen, have you loaded the module for loop-devices? | 08:34 |
Nigelenki | hey | 08:36 |
Nigelenki | when will firefox 1.0.1 be available | 08:37 |
Allen | i dont think so | 08:37 |
Allen | i am not sure | 08:37 |
Nigelenki | ubuntu seems to use some 1.0dfsg thing which i assume is 1.0 plus backported fixes | 08:38 |
Allen | but then Mr Kent......is the module available...i am sure it is | 08:38 |
Allen | if u can let me knw...it did be great | 08:38 |
trulux | head: `-1' option is obsolete; use `-n 1' | 08:38 |
Nigelenki | there appear to be several security vulns in 1.0;; I haven't read the USNs lately to see if they've been patched for ubuntu | 08:38 |
kent | Allen, i think you can load the module with the command modprobe. So, try with "modprobe lo" (make sure modprobe is in $PATH or run it with /sbin/modprobe or whatever the place is | 08:39 |
kent | Allen, that is, im not 100% that the module's name is "lo" but i think so. | 08:39 |
Allen | ya | 08:39 |
Allen | i shall try that | 08:40 |
kent | Allen, then i think you can mount a loop-device with "mount -o loop file.dat /media/mountplace" or something like that. | 08:40 |
Allen | i have a crampfs image | 08:40 |
Allen | i am trying to mount it using this command | 08:40 |
dredg | Nigelenki: 1.0.1 will be ready when it's ready | 08:40 |
Nigelenki | yeah usn 85-1 covers the gaim vulns but not the firefox "firescrolling" :) | 08:40 |
Nigelenki | dredg: packagers busy, or having problems making it work? | 08:41 |
Allen | mount /path/ofthe/imagwe /mount/point -t ext2 -o loop=/dev/loop1 | 08:41 |
kent | Allen, ok. But first, make sure the "lo" module is loaded. Then, mount it with "mount -o loop /where-crampfs-file /media/mountdir" | 08:41 |
Allen | bingo | 08:41 |
dredg | Nigelenki: or maybe he's working on other things. i dunno | 08:41 |
kent | Allen, did it work? | 08:41 |
Allen | yes | 08:41 |
Allen | thanks | 08:41 |
kent | Allen, great :) | 08:41 |
Nigelenki | dredg: As long as you're aware of the issues. I'm just now looking at the past few days' bugtraq on several vulns | 08:42 |
Allen | now i ubuntu feels much better | 08:42 |
Allen | thanks a lot Mr kent | 08:42 |
kent | Allen, your welcome! :) | 08:42 |
kent | Allen, by the way. I missed that you was talking in #ubuntu-devel, please ask things in #ubuntu instead. This channes is for actuall talks about Ubuntu development. | 08:44 |
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Allen | well i am sorry for bein here | 08:44 |
Allen | but then there i cud not find any help for long hours | 08:45 |
Allen | so i just tried my luck here | 08:45 |
Allen | next time i shall make sure of this | 08:45 |
Nigelenki | dredg: in particular http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/11474?ref=rss and http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10832?ref=rss (which seems to be http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/391559?ref=rss which requires flash and works on fedora core) | 08:45 |
kent | Allen, its ok. But we should respect this as a devel-channel, and not disturb those who make Ubuntu as good as it is. :) | 08:46 |
Nigelenki | I think there may have been a fix as well for the new dns spoofing thing or whatever it was, that affected all browsers *except* internet explorer (which didn't support the feature that was being exploited) | 08:46 |
Allen | i am sorry | 08:46 |
Allen | i shall note that | 08:46 |
Nigelenki | anyway | 08:46 |
Nigelenki | I'm done. | 08:46 |
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mxpxpod | hey guys | 09:08 |
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Gorth | Are anyone able to download this file: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/hoary-install-i386.iso | 09:10 |
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abelli | how can i change the root partition when booting warty live cd? | 09:15 |
amu | root=/dev/xxxx | 09:19 |
amu | or you want change on a running livesys your rootfs? | 09:19 |
abelli | mmm a friend has a badly broken kernel | 09:20 |
abelli | i need to reinstall it | 09:20 |
abelli | amu: and i ... ... im sorry, i dont know how to use your cd | 09:20 |
amu | abelli: boot it mount your partion, chroot in it, fix your kernel, go out from the chroot and run lilo -r /mountpoint ; reboot | 09:22 |
abelli | amu: we use grub:) | 09:22 |
amu | than forget lilo, if you edit menu.lst that's enough | 09:23 |
mxpxpod | jdub: ping | 09:26 |
mxpxpod | jbailey: ping | 09:26 |
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dredg | hmm, is this occuring for anyone else using muine? time elapsed is fine but when playing an ogg the total time for that track is 0:00 | 10:01 |
dredg | for an mp3 the total time displays fine | 10:01 |
dredg | bah. works fine now that i've nuked ~/.gnome2/muine | 10:07 |
trulux | jdub: there? | 10:07 |
trulux | mdz: we are working on the new package, just did a hack for the rename-pkgs.sh script in gcc sources, maybe I should submit it | 10:08 |
trulux | mdz: also, what are your final thoughts on the mailing lists? | 10:08 |
jbailey | mxpxpod: Here, but hanging out with a friend. What's up? | 10:10 |
mxpxpod | jbailey: what was the solution for the icon caching thing? | 10:10 |
jbailey | Dunno.. sb said it was fixed in upstream CVS. Some padding issue. | 10:11 |
mxpxpod | ah, ok | 10:11 |
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trulux | tritium: hey | 10:23 |
tritium | trulux, hi | 10:23 |
trulux | tritium: how are you doing!? | 10:24 |
tritium | trulux, I'm fine, thanks. You? (I'm in Chicago today) | 10:24 |
trulux | tritium: sounds great :) I'm fine, i was (and currently too) working on gcc-hardened, the paper, the selinux-support package, etc | 10:25 |
tritium | trulux, nice. I hope the paper goes well. You plan to finish it today? | 10:26 |
trulux | tritium: dunno, I need to work hard at it, many things remaining unfinished :( | 10:28 |
trulux | tritium: unexpected need of History studying :) | 10:28 |
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tritium | trulux, I won't be around much today. I'm taking my wife out tonight. | 10:29 |
trulux | tritium: that's good :) I will try to have something more done before you go | 10:30 |
tritium | trulux, I'm here already actually. Mind if I get back in touch with you tomorrow night? | 10:30 |
trulux | tritium: sure, NP | 10:32 |
trulux | I will be for sure | 10:32 |
tritium | Great. Talk to you later! | 10:32 |
trulux | tritium: take care! | 10:32 |
tritium | trulux, You too. Bye. | 10:33 |
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zul | hey | 10:37 |
trulux | zul: hey hey | 10:39 |
trulux | zul: cable for dcc there? | 10:39 |
trulux | capable | 10:39 |
zul | so did you upgrade turlux | 10:39 |
zul | sure | 10:40 |
mdz | trulux: one mailing list for selinux/mac/proactive security stuff should be sufficient | 10:43 |
trulux | mdz:ok | 10:45 |
trulux | zul: not yet | 10:45 |
zul | k | 10:45 |
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cybrjackle | what version off gcc is array-5 spun with? | 10:57 |
cybrjackle | i was looking for some release notes but didn't see any | 10:57 |
cybrjackle | nvm, distrowatch shows 3.4.3 anyway | 10:58 |
trulux | http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/selinux/debian/selinux-support/ | 10:59 |
trulux | zul: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/selinux/debian/selinux-support/ | 10:59 |
zul | cybrjackle: you can find out by doing gcc -v on the livecd | 10:59 |
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zul | trulux: ill try it out on a chroot later ok? | 11:00 |
trulux | zul: ok | 11:00 |
cybrjackle | trulux, what is that package for? | 11:01 |
cybrjackle | is ubuntu going to have like a targeted-policy like fedora by any chance? | 11:01 |
trulux | cybrjackle: I don't think on a targeted policy like FC | 11:02 |
zul | but now i must have dinner | 11:02 |
cybrjackle | trulux, what does the selinux-support package you linked up there for? | 11:04 |
cybrjackle | nvm, read the .changes file | 11:04 |
trulux | cybrjackle: installs all the needed packages for userland support of SELinux | 11:05 |
cybrjackle | i tried to install selinux packages when ubuntu first came out and there were dep problems with some and it ended up being a bug somewere down the line that someone wasn't fixing from debian | 11:07 |
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cybrjackle | if i remember correctly, that was awhile back | 11:07 |
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sid77 | hi | 11:54 |
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