sabdflsleep does help12:00
dredgAndyR: sadly not. i lack necessary funds atm :)12:01
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AndyRdredg, same here12:01
tsengmxpxpod: hey12:01
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mxpxpodthom: when did you start working on the pmi?12:02
mxpxpodtseng: hey12:02
tsengmxpxpod: did you by chance try my muine package in hoary?12:02
tsengmxpxpod: i got a bug that says its b0rk on ppc, but only one report12:02
mxpxpodtseng: yeah, but since polypaudio is being freaky, I can't listen to music right now12:03
tsengyou cant kill it and use alsasink?12:03
mxpxpodhold on12:03
tsengid hate to be out of music :P12:03
AndyRpolypaudio fixes sound in skype :)12:03
mxpxpodtseng: ok, using alsasink, it works12:04
T-Boneholly shit12:04
tsengmxpxpod: hm so you didnt install anything extra?12:04
mxpxpodtseng: no, not that I know of12:04
ogradredg: yeah MOTU power :)12:04
T-Bonei just installed debian's mozilla-firefox package on my ubuntu box12:04
T-Boneguess what12:04
T-Boneit works12:04
T-Bonelooks like tracking the bug will be much easier12:04
tsengmxpxpod: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6805 < this sounded fishy from the start12:05
tsengmxpxpod: seeing as it works for you.. very fishy indeed.12:05
mxpxpodok, I gotta get going12:05
mxpxpodwhat's thom's email addy?12:05
tsengcya, thanks12:05
tsengill check the ml12:05
T-Bonesabdfl: sounds promising12:06
tsengthom@ubuntu.com works mxpxpod 12:06
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dredgogra: well, for now catching up with the ones i sent to dh for review. i'm learning that caffeine + no sleep is not really conducive to working packages :)12:07
dredgman i don't sleep enough12:07
ograyeah, thats a sideeffect....you get used to it ;)12:08
mxpxpodthanks tseng 12:08
dredgogra: :)12:08
dredgoh, and muine++12:08
dredgespecially if, like me, you like to listen to albums. damn nice.12:09
mxpxpodtseng: yeah, I don't like how the alsa sink sounds... it can be very jerky12:09
mdzhaggai: ping, re: oo.o212:09
mxpxpodtseng: so I'm waiting for the polypaudio stuff to be fixed12:09
tsengmxpxpod: k. thanks for testing though12:09
dredgmxpxpod: really? i haven't used a sound daemon in a few years12:10
mxpxpoddredg: ppc?12:10
ajoh my, i didn't even know suspicous minds was an elvis song12:10
dredgmxpxpod: ah, no :)12:10
mxpxpodstrange... gnome-volume-control is segfaulting12:11
jdubtseng, mxpxpod: disable the alsa sink12:11
mxpxpodjdub: huh?12:11
tsengjdub: hm?12:11
tsengoh in polypaudio12:11
tsengnot gst12:11
jdubon ppc, disable the polypaudio alsa sink12:11
T-Boneso it's either Pango or IDN at fault, afaics12:13
mxpxpodjdub: I still get an assertion... it says something about the sink disconnecting12:13
mdzjdub: what's the status of that bug which causes the login sound not to play?  is there a bug open in bugzilla?12:14
mxpxpodI have to get going12:14
mxpxpodjdub: I'll talk to you more about this tomorrow12:14
jdubmdz: lennart is looking at it; don't think there is actually - i'll add one if not12:16
T-Bonemdz: would it be possible that if the compiler blurped when building firefox, the package generated would have lived 2 weeks? ie, there's no "auto-rebuild-everything' yet, right?12:16
mxpxpodtseng: btw, muine works great12:17
mxpxpodno problems here12:17
tsengmxpxpod: thanks dude12:17
tsengill quote you on that :P12:17
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mdzT-Bone: the most recent build was successful; successful builds are not retried12:21
T-Bonemdz: i hope that's something like that12:23
T-Bonemdz: that would explain why thom's build worked too12:23
haggaimdz: pong, half completed message re oo2 in Draft folder12:24
T-Bonemaybe there's hope to fix these two issues during this weekend, after all...12:27
=== T-Bone is having high hopes while firefox is building
haggaimdz: mail completed and sent.  I had been looking at the gcj status12:28
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remi`night everyone12:38
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sabdflnight all12:46
dredgnight sabdfl 12:46
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zulmdz: is it ok if we close those inotify related bugs?12:50
mdzzul: if we still plan to move to inotify eventually, they should be downgraded but not closed12:52
mdzzul: are there other bugs which should be reopened due to disabling inotify?12:53
zuli can check12:53
zul7 i know of plus the one i have and the duplicates12:54
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mdzjdub,zul: was it dnotify->inotify which fixed the problems with being unable to unmount removable devices sometimes?  or was that fam->gamin?01:07
zuli was able to reproduce the problems with fam->gamin01:08
zuli didnt have a usb key with me to test the unmounting removable drives since i was at work at the time01:09
mdzzul: I've done a little testing with noinotify, and I don't seem to have the old problems of being unable to unmount01:11
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ajmitchhm, no elmo around to request sync01:17
mdzzul: yes01:19
mdzajmitch: email works01:19
ajmitchmdz: yes, there is that01:19
zulmdz: ok ill put it on my todo list this weekend01:19
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seb128mdz: gamin is less bugged than fam in this area but inotify really fixes the issue01:21
zulseb128: by keeping inotify off?01:22
seb128<mdz> jdub,zul: was it dnotify->inotify which fixed the problems with being unable to unmount removable devices sometimes?  or was that fam->gamin?01:22
seb128about this01:22
mdzso now we will encounter those problems again, since we have disabled inotify01:22
seb128inotify doesn't need to open a fd on the device01:22
ajmitchmdz: upload@u.o?01:22
seb128probably ..01:22
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T-Boneso here it is:01:31
T-Bonemozilla-firefox works fine as long as you don't install any locale packe01:31
=== T-Bone wonders if that could be related to the fact that language support is missing
=== T-Bone is highly tempted to think so
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T-Bonefirefox 1.0+dfsg.1-2 segfaults the same way while it works just fine on my debian system01:37
mdzzul: do you have a master bug for the hang-on-unmount issue with inotify?01:40
mdzzul: 6877 is a duplicate of it01:40
T-Bonemdz: just fyi, seems that oo.o is also somehow the culprit for the mozilla bug...01:41
zulmdz: no i dont ill create one right now01:41
zulmdz: #6929.01:43
jdubseb128: inotify fixes that01:43
lamontT-Bone: interesting01:43
jdubseb128: when it's not hanging your kernel ;)01:43
seb128jdub: <seb128> mdz: gamin is less bugged than fam in this area but inotify really fixes the issue01:44
seb128jdub: yeah :)01:44
jdubyeah :)01:44
jdubso, i think we should pull in inotify updates01:44
T-Bonelamont: a good way to check that would be to try removing language packs on a known working hoary box (x86/ppc/whatever) and see if installing a mozilla locale kills it the same way01:44
jdubbut i'm not too worried if we disable it for the release01:44
T-Bonelamont: if it does then we're all setup -ENOTIA64BUG, if it doesn't then it's ia64-specific but not mozilla specific, probably something weird in the language support system01:45
T-Bonemy bet is on the first case01:45
seb128jdub: is there a working inotify ?01:45
jdubseb128: rml's doing lockless work that will arrive as 0.20 most likely01:45
seb128jdub: the gnome-control-center's maintainer in debian works as a kernel guy for mandrake and according to him they don't have such issues with new versions01:46
seb128jdub: I'll poke him again01:46
jdubseb128: 0.19?01:46
zuljdub: got an idea when 0.20 when?01:46
jdubzul: i'll ping rml for info01:47
zulk great01:47
seb128jdub: I spoke with him like 1 week ago and according to him they have fixed their issues with inotify01:47
jdubseb128: hrm, rml may have folded it in to 0.19 updates01:47
jdubseb128: cooker kernel?01:47
seb128I think he's working for 10.2 01:47
seb128dunno how they handle the different branches01:48
jdubcooker is their devel branch01:48
mdzzul: thanks01:48
jdubzul: perhaps check what mdk are doing in cooker01:48
seb128yeah, but they are probably already frozen for 10.2 ?01:48
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jdubseb128: no idea ;-)01:48
jdubhopefully they have public srpms though01:48
jdubrml isn't around atm01:48
mdzjdub: who should own gnome-app-install bugs in Bugzilla?01:49
jdubmdz: me, might switch owner/qa to me and ross later01:49
jdubzul: email?01:49
zuljdub: zulcss@gmail.com01:50
jdubzul: mailed rml, cc'ed you :)01:51
zulmdz: is it possible to add the kernel-team so when there is a bug report for the kernel that they get notified as well?01:52
jdubwe can add kernel-team to the qa contact for the kernel packages01:52
jdubcan do now if you want01:52
mdzzul: sure, what is the email address for the kernel team?01:53
jdubmdz: doing atm01:53
jdub(kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com btw, which you should probably join :)01:54
zulheh..alrady on01:54
lamontthanks jdub/mdz01:55
jdubdo you want l-r-m too?01:55
zullamont: ^^^01:56
lamontjdub: I thought that was daniels...01:56
jdubshould it be kernel team?01:56
lamontthose tend to mostly be X borkage, although some firmware stuff finds its way in there01:56
lamontif daniels thinks so, I agree01:57
lamontI don't want to steal it from him and all that. :-P01:57
jdubok, only changing qa contact for now anyway01:59
jdubtime to go to codefest01:59
jdubwhere tehre will be lots of ubuntu usres01:59
lamonttime to feed horses01:59
jduband ubuntu a11y hacking :)01:59
elmo_$ su - 02:05
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mdzelmo_: context?02:07
jdubmdz: would we regard udev not even installing or upgrading on 2.4 systems as NOTUBUNTU?02:07
elmo_mdz: sarge  -> hoary; it's the usual libc6 upgrade fux0rs libnss-db02:08
mdzjdub: I think we would need to fix that in order to support upgrades from 2.4 systems02:10
mdzelmo_: I thought that typically only fux0red running processes02:10
elmo_mdz: until make is rerun, libnss-db stuff isn't recognised, for new or running processes02:11
elmo_heh, libc6.1 is 'optional' in our overrides02:11
elmo_mdz: it's not disastrous, as long as you have a privleged non-libnss-db account or a cron'ed regeneration.. 02:13
jdubmdz: yeah, i now have a linode (uml), and stuck without ubuntu-base due to udev02:13
jdub(though after that, i removed most of ubuntu-base for space reasons)02:14
dredgreminds me, must build a ubuntu fs for uml02:14
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makosomeone want to take a look at this before i send it out? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder02:20
makogo ahead and makes changes to ti02:20
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jdubmako: when do you want to send it?02:21
makoi'm writing up the announcement now02:21
makoi'll be ready in like 15-20 minutes max02:21
makowant to wait?02:21
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jdubnah, not worth it02:22
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=== ajmitch reads
makowhat would we wait for?02:23
ajmitchwhere in Sydney will it be?02:23
jdubajmitch: rushcutters bay02:23
ajmitchjoy, ANZAC day in .au02:23
jdubajmitch: south of the harbour, near potts point02:23
jdubso we can perve on celebs02:23
makojdub: we want to set a deadline for sponsorship that's mid-march02:23
ajmitchmako: ah, there will be sponsorship?02:24
jdubmako: just thinking about missing info, but we can fill that in later, not important right now02:24
makoajmitch: yes02:24
makoajmitch: it's in the page :)02:24
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=== dredg will not be attending (unless someone wants to donate heavily to the dredg fund) ;)
=== ajmitch is hoping to attend
dredgajmitch: you're in the right hemisphere at least :)02:26
ajmitchdredg: just a quick hop across the tasman..02:26
ajmitchpity about the steep sydney airport taxes though02:26
ajmitchjdub: how far from there to lewisham? :)02:26
jdubnot far really02:27
jdub20min drive?02:27
ajmitchgreat, there's some people there I want to meet up with02:27
jdubwithout traffic02:27
jdubbut being sydney... :)02:27
makoso many australians...02:28
jdubsydney's a country town compared to LA02:28
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ajmitchwell I got used to a 1hr+ commute into the CBD from where I was staying in melbourne02:28
makoit's like the frog in hot water technique02:28
makojdub: think i should send this announce?02:28
makojdub: to -announce even02:29
makojdub: or -news02:29
jdubsilbs asked you to?02:29
makoit was implied02:29
makobut it seems sensible02:29
jdubworth announcing "conference will be here, on these dates, more info to come" anyway02:30
makoand "if you want sponsorship, this is the place to sign up"02:30
jdubAEROBUCKS HERE --->02:30
makowe'l have a list of interested people to mail with new information in the future02:30
ajmitchhm, should I consider applying?02:30
makoajmitch: yes02:30
jdubajmitch: priority goes to people in the region, so yeah, hell yeah02:31
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makolast time, *most* people who applied got funding02:31
HrdwrBoBdaniels is not allowed to go >:|02:31
HrdwrBoBour wedding is on the 30th02:31
jdubour being you and daniels? :)02:32
makodoes daniels know about this?02:32
makohis imminent matrimonial state02:32
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jdubimminent? dude, he's married to ME02:33
HrdwrBoBhe never told me that02:33
jdubhe didn't want to < 3 your <302:33
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jdubwifi is slow02:33
makodaniels: fscking bigamist02:34
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ajmitchjdub: yes, I just rsynced a few hundred MB of ubuntu packages via 11b02:34
=== jdub is doing i386 install/live cds atm
jdubthought i'd be out of here already02:34
makook.. i'm gonnna announce this shindig02:39
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ajmitchwb zul 02:50
mdz1306 kept, 463 moved, 490 deleted.02:51
mdzubuntu-bugs is winning02:51
T-Bonegah, my eyes are closing :P02:55
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cleaverAlfi just received a STACK of Ubuntu in the mail but neither the LiveCD or Install CD will run on my little test system.  Gigabyte MB GA5-AX, Adaptec 2940UW scsi controller, 18gb scsi 3 disk, 6x scsi CDRW, vodoo3 video card and Viewsonic 17GL monitor, and AMD800Mhz Athalon cpu.03:04
mdzcleaverAlf: file a bug report at bugzilla.ubuntu.com with exact details about what you tried, and how it failed03:05
cleaverAlfnp..  thanx..03:06
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zuli 2.4 actually supported?03:21
zulgah...stupid keyboard 03:21
davydzul: no, since you need /sys to use HAL03:28
whiprushtoo late in the freeze for mutt-ng?03:40
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jdubwhiprush: ha ha04:08
whiprushhey no laughing, I've fixed 2 lintian errors on it already. :p04:10
jdubwhiprush: certainly a universe candidate candidate :)04:11
whiprushyeah, obviously04:11
whiprushI didn't mean in main04:11
ajmitchjdub: got any word on freeze dates for universe?04:17
ajmitchlike how much slack we have to get new packages in, python pkgs transitioned to 2.4 :)04:17
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dholbachok pals... i'm off to bed04:44
dholbachit's 4:44 already04:44
ajmitchnight dholbach 04:45
dholbachsleep tight04:45
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zulzzzhey ogra 05:00
mdzjdub: they're using 2.4 UML?05:52
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jdubmdz: yeah, they have an experimental 2.6, but mostly 2.406:16
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dholbachnow this is funny: just for the fun of it, i started using arabic locale in gnome, but seems like loads of apps didnt understand to switch back the orientation, when i switched back to german (some still have arabic captions)11:31
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tritiumajmitch, you around?11:57
ajmitchyes, I am11:57
dholbachhi tritium!11:57
dholbachhi ajmitch!11:57
tritiumhi dholbach11:57
ajmitchhey dholbach 11:58
dholbachwoohoo! MOTU power! :-)11:58
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tritiumI'm really close here.  I switched to cdbs, and I can't seem to exclude the package's files from the -doc package.11:58
ajmitchtritium: are the same files being installed into both packages?12:03
tritiumajmitch, yes, except for those I designated with DEB_INSTALL_DOCS_package-doc12:05
tritiumthose are only placed in the -doc package12:05
ajmitchtake a look at dh_install manpage12:06
ajmitchtime for me to go & sleep, sorry :)12:06
tritiumme too.  It's 6 a.m.  I need a little nap before I start my day.  Thanks for your help :)12:06
dholbachsleep tight you two12:11
dholbachtritium: you uploaded the last package?12:11
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dholbachcan somebody confirm march 3rd as previewFreeze date, if i didnt get the schedule wrong?12:24
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T-Nonedholbach: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule12:43
abelliciao a tuti12:44
abellienrico: xiao ming12:44
abellicould you please tell me if k3b will be removed from hoary?12:45
dholbachT-None: how do you read it?12:47
T-Noneseems preview freeze is scheduled for feb 2812:47
T-Noneie next monday12:47
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dholbachT-None: actually all dates are due to wednesdays12:47
dholbachhi dredg 12:47
dredglo dholbach 12:48
T-Nonethat would make sense then, I've been told PF is scheduled for march 212:48
dholbachoh yes.. the 2nd12:48
T-None(kamion told me so)12:48
dholbachneed to set up MOTUTodo for it12:48
dholbachjdub: ping12:54
sivanghi all12:57
dholbachhi sivan12:58
sivangjust came to see what's news, be back later also01:01
svenlhi Kamion ...01:03
svenlanyway, hi guys.01:03
svenlI am asked by my management how support for hoary officially stands in ubuntu for the pegasos.01:04
svenlRegarding an announcement that we will be making on monday or something such for which i can't really give any detail.01:04
svenlNow, as far as my understanding goes, current ubuntu/hoary fully supports the pegasos provided i fix the OF implementation to work with yaboot.01:05
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svenlAnd then only two minor details need fixing : the marvell gigabit ethernet driver in the ubuntu kernel, and some X issue i mentioned DanielS.01:07
svenlSo, i am wondering what the official ubuntu position is on this matter ?01:07
svenl(or who i could write about this).01:07
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abelliogra: ciao01:09
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svenloh well, will ask again later.01:10
abellisivang: hey01:12
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trukulohi ppl01:41
sladensvenl: ping Kamion01:45
sladensvenl: alot of people are currently at FOSDEM so things maybe a little laggy01:46
abellisladen: are you going there?01:55
svenlsladen: ah, ok.01:57
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T-Nonemorning elmo_ 01:59
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abelliwho is in belgium right now?02:00
elmo_T-Bone: hi02:02
T-Boneelmo_: i've posted some status update about ia64 on the m-l, feel free to comment it as you see fit. I have notably not said anything about the livecd, since i haven't tested it in a while...02:03
elmo_T-Bone: ok02:07
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elmo_*.ubuntu.com's going down for kernel upgrade, bb in a few minutes02:40
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abelliogra: are you here?02:51
abelliogra: problems with graveman for warty.02:52
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ograabelli, sorry, that package is very outdated, i will build a new one after preview release (before i'm very busy with hwdb)03:02
abelliogra: no worries..03:02
abelliogra: we can do it for you..03:02
abelliogra: you will need just to check for it to work03:03
abellibtw how's hailie?03:03
ogramissing the last patch....(dmidecode/bios data) 03:03
ograwill hopefully get included on monday03:04
abelliis there any documentation about it?03:04
ogranot yet03:04
abelliwhere did you study?03:04
ograhal ?03:04
ograi looked at the code and patches of other ppl03:04
abelli...dont hate me for this..03:05
abelliwhat is hailie meant to do?03:05
tsengogra: hm03:06
abelliogra: thanks03:06
ograit collects the hwdata on your system....asks some questions and submits the data online03:07
ogra...oh, and performs sometests....03:07
abelliogra: what kind of tests?03:08
ograthe hoary variant will be rather trivial.....but the base for a much greater system in hoary+103:08
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ograsomething like: "do you hear this sound ?" (to test the sound hw).....or a ping to the first gateway to test the network config03:09
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zulzzzogra: i think #6934 is for you :)03:18
ograzul: hey, thanks :)03:20
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dholbachabelli: when you finished graveman, i can review it too03:43
dholbachabelli: hope you mean hoary :-)03:44
jdubelmo_: ping03:45
abellidholbach: no ElephantHog03:46
abellidholbach: hoary+503:46
sladenabelli: looking around, I think sladen, mjg59, Kinnison, daf, Treenaks, Riddell, Mithrandir are in Brussels.  Along with about 10,000 Ubuntu CDs...03:46
abellisladen: can you buy me a tshirt from the gnu project?: )03:47
elmo_jdub: ?03:48
dholbachjdub: i'm sure you're quite busy, but do you think there's a way to put the ubuntu-love crowd to something like  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUTodo  more explicitly?03:49
jdubelmo_: just checking if you're around - please watch the new queue ;)03:49
jdubdholbach: feel free to modify the UbuntuLove page :-)03:49
jdubdholbach: there's a line about MOTU there03:50
ogradholbach: btw, could you reparent it to MOTU ?03:50
dholbachjdub: could you add it to the channel's topic?03:50
dholbachogra: erm... if you told me how? *blush*03:50
dholbachjdub: thanks :-)03:50
ograhmm, never did it, but it should be possible....03:51
dholbachi'll ask the MOTU gang03:51
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ogradholbach: you can do it at the bottom of the page.....enter the new parent and click reparent03:52
dholbachoh... i'll have a look - thanks03:53
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dholbachseb128: ping03:55
dholbachseb128: shall i take care of the ruby-issue?03:55
seb128if you want03:55
dholbachseb128: ok... will do later, after i reviewed dredg's packages03:55
dholbachseb128: thanks for pointing out - you're awesome03:56
seb128you're welcome :)03:56
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truluxdefault python for hoary is 2.403:59
dredgdholbach, nautilus-python too :)03:59
truluxany recommendation on python dependencies fullfilling?03:59
truluxseems that python does not come with libselinux bindings04:00
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dholbachdredg: you're so funny :-)))04:02
dredgdholbach, there's still so much to do on the python transition :-/04:06
dholbachdredg: we'll manage... really, don't exhaust yourself 04:07
dholbachdredg: you're doing fabulous work04:08
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dredgdholbach, just did a test build of zapping here. it appears to use python2.404:15
dholbachdredg: i'm on amd64, so i ran into trouble04:15
dholbachdredg: but can do another test tonight04:16
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karimI use ubuntu powerpc04:27
karimthe kernel udpate tries to use quik to configure the boot bloc, however I prefer yaboot04:28
karimis that a deliberate choice ?04:28
truluxI wonder if upgrading from warty to hoary right now is realiable04:33
zultrulux: why do you say that?04:34
dredgtrulux, yes. for certain values of reliable.04:40
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truluxzul: I want to do it :)05:04
zulthen do it :)05:04
HiddenWolfgo girl! :)05:06
zulright...ill be back later this afternoon05:09
truluxelmo_: ping05:11
truluxzul: just I want to know if minimal desktop applications work05:12
truluxI mean05:12
elmo_trulux: ?05:12
truluxelmo_: I've talked with mdz on creating an ubuntu-selinux and ubuntu-selinux-devel mailing lists05:12
truluxelmo_: he commented you're the man to ask, if so, are you proud?05:13
elmo_trulux: err, no he didn't, he said jdub was the person to ask05:13
truluxjdub: ping05:13
truluxajmitch. ping05:13
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truluxany rep. with python2.4 for Warty?05:27
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HiddenWolftrulux: no05:31
truluxanyways, now works for both05:32
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dholbachhi sabdfl 05:44
Mithrandirsabdfl: yes, I would imagine if ooo works on amd64, it should work on ia64 as well05:45
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dholbachcatch up with you later... need to get an hour of sleep05:49
dredgjust looking over the buildd log for blender.. has anyone seen this one:05:49
dredgccache: failed to create (null)/.ccache (No such file or directory)05:49
dredgah, google to the rescue05:51
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SuperL4gOn a whim I decided to download the latest Hoary install CD.  I have to say... you guys ROCK. :)06:01
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dholbachdredg: give it some nice kicks like thom did on firefox too :-)06:06
truluxanybody here can tell me how to install python bindings within a package? even dh_python if it's what needs to be used06:07
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elmo_ /dev/sda2 has gone 2613 days without being checked, check forced.06:20
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mdzthom: around?06:28
truluxdpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${python:Depends}06:39
dredgtrulux: man dh_python06:46
doko_trulux: what do you mean with "within a package"?06:48
truluxnah, done06:48
truluxdredg: ?06:48
truluxdredg: referring to the unk. subs. message?06:48
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dredgtrulux, yeah06:50
truluxdredg: ah, ok06:51
gniicould someone recommend a high spec laptop that is most compatible with ubuntu. I'm after something semi-portable but not a desktop replacement.06:51
mdzgnii: check the HardwareSupport page in the wiki, or ask on #ubuntu or ubuntu-users07:03
gniimdz: thanks, I have looked at a lot of support pages, it seems ibm is a good bet but. I am on ubuntu now and getting some feedback, many thanks07:04
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Nigelenkiis magical free root access a #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel issue?07:21
azeemit might be an FAQ issue, if it involves sudo and typing your password07:22
Nigelenkiazeem:  gksudo running ethereal07:22
Nigelenkiif I gksudo in a terminal, it asks for my password07:22
Nigelenkiif I then click cancel and hit applications->internet->ethereal (as root), it runs ethereal, as root, without asking me.07:22
sabdflhi dholbach07:22
Nigelenkiand i'm liek07:22
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Nigelenki"Wait wtf it doesn't want my password?!!!!"07:23
sabdflMithrandir: ok, thanks.. that solves one issue, we need oo.o2 building on amd64 anyhow07:23
sabdflNigelenki: please file a bug, assign to pitti07:24
sabdflhey mdz07:24
Nigelenkisabdfl:  will do07:25
Nigelenkisabdfl:  at connonical right?07:28
dredgNigelenki: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org07:28
sabdfli hope we aren't connonical ;-)07:29
sabdflso does everyone else on this adventure07:29
Nigelenkidredg:  yes I mean to assign to martin.pitt07:29
T-Nonehey sabdfl!07:30
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sabdflhey T-None07:31
mdzsabdfl: morning07:32
sabdflsomewhere, yes07:32
T-Nonesabdfl: i sent a report on the m-l, as we discussed yesterday. I hope this helps having a clearer view07:32
mdzNigelenki: that is not a bug; it's a feature07:33
mdzplease don't file in bugzilla07:33
Nigelenkimdz:  a feature that continuously gives root without password when it's apparently no longer cached?07:33
dredgdoes it actually give root?07:33
Nigelenkimdz:  Should I be able to gksudo in a terminal without being prompted for my password?07:33
mdzNigelenki: yes, if you successfully used gksudo or sudo in the past 15 minutes07:33
Nigelenkidredg:  Yes, I believe.  As root i can see net adapters in ethereal; as non-root, I don't see any.07:34
Nigelenkimdz:  MY symptoms are that in the terminal, gksudo asks for a password (which I don't give; I click cancel); and at the same time, I can click the ethereal menu entry and it gives the process root without asknig me for my password07:34
mdzNigelenki: the timeout is per-terminal07:35
mdzif you run "sudo -k", you'll find that it starts prompting you again07:35
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Nigelenkibut the last place I actually entered my password was text terminal07:35
Nigelenkibluefox@icebox:~$ sudo -k07:36
NigelenkiApp -> internet -> ethereal (as root)07:36
Nigelenkidoesn't prompt me.07:36
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mdzit certainly does prompt me07:36
Nigelenkiwell it doesn't ask me shit o.o07:36
mdzhmm, sudo -k doesn't seem to clear the timestamp for other terminals07:38
mdzat any rate, it's just normal credential caching; it isn't magic root07:38
sabdflT-None: did you get my mail cc to Thierry?07:38
Nigelenkimdz:  I'll leave it for 15 mins07:38
mdzNigelenki: or sudo rm -rf /var/run/sudo/bluefox07:39
T-Nonesabdfl: yeah i swa that07:39
T-Nonesabdfl: let me know if it remains un-answered, but I doubt it will07:39
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cartmanis archive.ubuntu.com not working?07:48
cartmancan't connect to it07:48
Nigelenkimdz:  indeed, you're right, false alarm.  Apparently sudo updates the timestamp every time it's run08:00
Nigelenkiso I could continue using it to "keep my root access alive"08:00
Nigelenki(`sudo true` every 10 minutes say)08:00
Nigelenkiwhich is what happened with me running ethereal every 10 minutes to see if it'd prompt me yet  guess08:00
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dredgis anyone aware of any packages in ubuntu (apart from blender) that use scons to build?08:16
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Allencan some here help me out with this small prob08:31
Alleni got ubuntu runnin08:31
Allenbut then i dont have any loop devices08:32
Allendo i have to use mkdnod08:32
Allenor is there a way i can get the loop devices made08:32
truluxI need pitti now08:33
truluxgcc-hardened may be ready for tomorrow08:33
kentAllen, have you loaded the module for loop-devices?08:34
Nigelenkiwhen will firefox 1.0.1 be available08:37
Alleni dont think so08:37
Alleni am not sure08:37
Nigelenkiubuntu seems to use some 1.0dfsg thing which i assume is 1.0 plus backported fixes08:38
Allenbut then Mr Kent......is the module available...i am sure it is08:38
Allenif u can let me knw...it did be great08:38
truluxhead: `-1' option is obsolete; use `-n 1'08:38
Nigelenkithere appear to be several security vulns in 1.0;; I haven't read the USNs lately to see if they've been patched for ubuntu08:38
kentAllen, i think you can load the module with the command modprobe.  So, try with "modprobe lo" (make sure modprobe is in $PATH or run it with /sbin/modprobe or whatever the place is08:39
kentAllen, that is, im not 100% that the module's name is "lo" but i think so. 08:39
Alleni shall try that08:40
kentAllen, then i think you can mount a loop-device with "mount -o loop  file.dat /media/mountplace" or something like that. 08:40
Alleni have a crampfs image08:40
Alleni am trying to mount it using this command08:40
dredgNigelenki: 1.0.1 will be ready when it's ready08:40
Nigelenkiyeah usn 85-1 covers the gaim vulns but not the firefox "firescrolling" :)08:40
Nigelenkidredg:  packagers busy, or having problems making it work?08:41
Allenmount /path/ofthe/imagwe /mount/point -t ext2 -o loop=/dev/loop108:41
kentAllen, ok. But first, make sure the "lo" module is loaded. Then, mount it with "mount -o loop /where-crampfs-file /media/mountdir"08:41
dredgNigelenki: or maybe he's working on other things. i dunno08:41
kentAllen, did it work?08:41
kentAllen, great :)08:41
Nigelenkidredg:  As long as you're aware of the issues.  I'm just now looking at the past few days' bugtraq on several vulns08:42
Allennow i ubuntu feels much better08:42
Allenthanks a lot Mr kent08:42
kentAllen, your welcome! :)08:42
kentAllen, by the way. I missed that you was talking in #ubuntu-devel,  please ask things in #ubuntu instead. This channes is for actuall talks about Ubuntu development.08:44
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Allenwell i am sorry for bein here08:44
Allenbut then there i cud not find any help for long hours08:45
Allenso i just tried my luck here08:45
Allennext time i shall make sure of this08:45
Nigelenkidredg:  in particular http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/11474?ref=rss and http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10832?ref=rss (which seems to be http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/391559?ref=rss which requires flash and works on fedora core)08:45
kentAllen, its ok. But we should respect this as a devel-channel, and not disturb those who make Ubuntu as good as it is. :)08:46
NigelenkiI think there may have been a fix as well for the new dns spoofing  thing or whatever it was, that affected all browsers *except* internet explorer (which didn't support the feature that was being exploited)08:46
Alleni am sorry 08:46
Alleni shall note that08:46
NigelenkiI'm done.08:46
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mxpxpodhey guys09:08
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GorthAre anyone able to download this file: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/hoary-install-i386.iso09:10
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abellihow can i change the root partition when booting warty live cd?09:15
amuor you want change on a running livesys your rootfs? 09:19
abellimmm a friend has a badly broken kernel09:20
abellii need to reinstall it09:20
abelliamu: and i ... ... im sorry, i dont know how to use your cd09:20
amuabelli: boot it mount your partion, chroot in it, fix your kernel, go out from the chroot and run lilo -r /mountpoint ; reboot   09:22
abelliamu: we use grub:)09:22
amuthan forget lilo, if you edit menu.lst that's enough09:23
mxpxpodjdub: ping09:26
mxpxpodjbailey: ping09:26
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dredghmm, is this occuring for anyone else using muine? time elapsed is fine but when playing an ogg the total time for that track is 0:0010:01
dredgfor an mp3 the total time displays fine10:01
dredgbah. works fine now that i've nuked ~/.gnome2/muine10:07
truluxjdub: there?10:07
truluxmdz: we are working on the new package, just did a hack for the rename-pkgs.sh script in gcc sources, maybe I should submit it10:08
truluxmdz: also, what are your final thoughts on the mailing lists?10:08
jbaileymxpxpod: Here, but hanging out with a friend.  What's up?10:10
mxpxpodjbailey: what was the solution for the icon caching thing?10:10
jbaileyDunno..  sb said it was fixed in upstream CVS.  Some padding issue.10:11
mxpxpodah, ok10:11
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truluxtritium: hey10:23
tritiumtrulux, hi10:23
truluxtritium: how are you doing!?10:24
tritiumtrulux, I'm fine, thanks.  You?  (I'm in Chicago today)10:24
truluxtritium: sounds great :) I'm fine, i was (and currently too) working on gcc-hardened, the paper, the selinux-support package, etc10:25
tritiumtrulux, nice.  I hope the paper goes well.  You plan to finish it today?10:26
truluxtritium: dunno, I need to work hard at it, many things remaining unfinished :(10:28
truluxtritium: unexpected need of History studying :)10:28
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tritiumtrulux, I won't be around much today.  I'm taking my wife out tonight.10:29
truluxtritium: that's good :) I will try to have something more done before you go10:30
tritiumtrulux, I'm here already actually.  Mind if I get back in touch with you tomorrow night?10:30
truluxtritium: sure, NP10:32
truluxI will be for sure10:32
tritiumGreat.  Talk to you later!10:32
truluxtritium: take care!10:32
tritiumtrulux, You too.  Bye.10:33
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truluxzul: hey hey10:39
truluxzul: cable for dcc there?10:39
zulso did you upgrade turlux10:39
mdztrulux: one mailing list for selinux/mac/proactive security stuff should be sufficient10:43
truluxzul: not yet10:45
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cybrjacklewhat version off gcc is array-5 spun with?10:57
cybrjacklei was looking for some release notes but didn't see any10:57
cybrjacklenvm, distrowatch shows 3.4.3 anyway10:58
truluxzul: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/selinux/debian/selinux-support/10:59
zulcybrjackle: you can find out by doing gcc -v on the livecd10:59
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zultrulux: ill try it out on a chroot later ok?11:00
truluxzul: ok11:00
cybrjackletrulux, what is that package for?11:01
cybrjackleis ubuntu going to have like a targeted-policy like fedora by any chance?11:01
truluxcybrjackle: I don't think on a targeted policy like FC11:02
zulbut now i must have dinner11:02
cybrjackletrulux, what does the selinux-support package you linked up there for?11:04
cybrjacklenvm, read the .changes file11:04
truluxcybrjackle: installs all the needed packages for userland support of SELinux11:05
cybrjacklei tried to install selinux packages when ubuntu first came out and there were dep problems with some and it ended up being a bug somewere down the line that someone wasn't fixing from debian11:07
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cybrjackleif i remember correctly, that was awhile back11:07
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