[12:00] <sabdfl> sleep does help
[12:01] <T-Bone> heh
[12:01] <dredg> AndyR: sadly not. i lack necessary funds atm :)
[12:01] <AndyR> dredg, same here
[12:01] <tseng> mxpxpod: hey
[12:02] <mxpxpod> thom: when did you start working on the pmi?
[12:02] <mxpxpod> tseng: hey
[12:02] <tseng> mxpxpod: did you by chance try my muine package in hoary?
[12:02] <tseng> mxpxpod: i got a bug that says its b0rk on ppc, but only one report
[12:03] <mxpxpod> tseng: yeah, but since polypaudio is being freaky, I can't listen to music right now
[12:03] <tseng> you cant kill it and use alsasink?
[12:03] <mxpxpod> hold on
[12:03] <tseng> id hate to be out of music :P
[12:03] <AndyR> polypaudio fixes sound in skype :)
[12:04] <mxpxpod> tseng: ok, using alsasink, it works
[12:04] <T-Bone> holly shit
[12:04] <tseng> mxpxpod: hm so you didnt install anything extra?
[12:04] <mxpxpod> tseng: no, not that I know of
[12:04] <ogra> dredg: yeah MOTU power :)
[12:04] <T-Bone> i just installed debian's mozilla-firefox package on my ubuntu box
[12:04] <T-Bone> guess what
[12:04] <T-Bone> it works
[12:04] <T-Bone> looks like tracking the bug will be much easier
[12:05] <tseng> mxpxpod: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6805 < this sounded fishy from the start
[12:05] <tseng> mxpxpod: seeing as it works for you.. very fishy indeed.
[12:05] <mxpxpod> ok, I gotta get going
[12:05] <mxpxpod> what's thom's email addy?
[12:05] <tseng> cya, thanks
[12:05] <tseng> ill check the ml
[12:06] <T-Bone> sabdfl: sounds promising
[12:06] <tseng> thom@ubuntu.com works mxpxpod 
[12:07] <dredg> ogra: well, for now catching up with the ones i sent to dh for review. i'm learning that caffeine + no sleep is not really conducive to working packages :)
[12:07] <dredg> man i don't sleep enough
[12:08] <ogra> yeah, thats a sideeffect....you get used to it ;)
[12:08] <mxpxpod> thanks tseng 
[12:08] <dredg> ogra: :)
[12:08] <dredg> oh, and muine++
[12:09] <dredg> especially if, like me, you like to listen to albums. damn nice.
[12:09] <mxpxpod> tseng: yeah, I don't like how the alsa sink sounds... it can be very jerky
[12:09] <mdz> haggai: ping, re: oo.o2
[12:09] <mxpxpod> tseng: so I'm waiting for the polypaudio stuff to be fixed
[12:09] <tseng> mxpxpod: k. thanks for testing though
[12:10] <dredg> mxpxpod: really? i haven't used a sound daemon in a few years
[12:10] <mxpxpod> dredg: ppc?
[12:10] <aj> oh my, i didn't even know suspicous minds was an elvis song
[12:10] <dredg> mxpxpod: ah, no :)
[12:11] <mxpxpod> strange... gnome-volume-control is segfaulting
[12:11] <jdub> tseng, mxpxpod: disable the alsa sink
[12:11] <mxpxpod> jdub: huh?
[12:11] <tseng> jdub: hm?
[12:11] <tseng> oh in polypaudio
[12:11] <tseng> not gst
[12:11] <jdub> on ppc, disable the polypaudio alsa sink
[12:13] <T-Bone> so it's either Pango or IDN at fault, afaics
[12:13] <mxpxpod> jdub: I still get an assertion... it says something about the sink disconnecting
[12:14] <mdz> jdub: what's the status of that bug which causes the login sound not to play?  is there a bug open in bugzilla?
[12:14] <mxpxpod> I have to get going
[12:14] <mxpxpod> jdub: I'll talk to you more about this tomorrow
[12:16] <jdub> mdz: lennart is looking at it; don't think there is actually - i'll add one if not
[12:16] <T-Bone> mdz: would it be possible that if the compiler blurped when building firefox, the package generated would have lived 2 weeks? ie, there's no "auto-rebuild-everything' yet, right?
[12:17] <mxpxpod> tseng: btw, muine works great
[12:17] <mxpxpod> no problems here
[12:17] <tseng> mxpxpod: thanks dude
[12:17] <tseng> ill quote you on that :P
[12:21] <mdz> T-Bone: the most recent build was successful; successful builds are not retried
[12:23] <T-Bone> ok
[12:23] <T-Bone> mdz: i hope that's something like that
[12:23] <T-Bone> mdz: that would explain why thom's build worked too
[12:24] <haggai> mdz: pong, half completed message re oo2 in Draft folder
[12:27] <T-Bone> maybe there's hope to fix these two issues during this weekend, after all...
[12:28] <haggai> mdz: mail completed and sent.  I had been looking at the gcj status
[12:38] <remi`> night everyone
[12:46] <sabdfl> night all
[12:46] <dredg> night sabdfl 
[12:47] <zul> hey
[12:50] <zul> mdz: is it ok if we close those inotify related bugs?
[12:52] <mdz> zul: if we still plan to move to inotify eventually, they should be downgraded but not closed
[12:53] <zul> ok..
[12:53] <mdz> zul: are there other bugs which should be reopened due to disabling inotify?
[12:53] <zul> i can check
[12:54] <zul> 7 i know of plus the one i have and the duplicates
[01:07] <mdz> jdub,zul: was it dnotify->inotify which fixed the problems with being unable to unmount removable devices sometimes?  or was that fam->gamin?
[01:08] <zul> i was able to reproduce the problems with fam->gamin
[01:09] <zul> i didnt have a usb key with me to test the unmounting removable drives since i was at work at the time
[01:11] <mdz> zul: I've done a little testing with noinotify, and I don't seem to have the old problems of being unable to unmount
[01:12] <zul> mdz: 2.6.10.4-23?
[01:17] <ajmitch> hm, no elmo around to request sync
[01:19] <mdz> zul: yes
[01:19] <mdz> ajmitch: email works
[01:19] <ajmitch> mdz: yes, there is that
[01:19] <zul> mdz: ok ill put it on my todo list this weekend
[01:21] <seb128> mdz: gamin is less bugged than fam in this area but inotify really fixes the issue
[01:22] <zul> seb128: by keeping inotify off?
 jdub,zul: was it dnotify->inotify which fixed the problems with being unable to unmount removable devices sometimes?  or was that fam->gamin?
[01:22] <zul> k
[01:22] <mdz> :-(
[01:22] <seb128> about this
[01:22] <mdz> so now we will encounter those problems again, since we have disabled inotify
[01:22] <seb128> inotify doesn't need to open a fd on the device
[01:22] <ajmitch> mdz: upload@u.o?
[01:22] <seb128> probably ..
[01:31] <T-Bone> hmm
[01:31] <T-Bone> so here it is:
[01:31] <T-Bone> mozilla-firefox works fine as long as you don't install any locale packe
[01:31] <T-Bone> -e
[01:36] <T-Bone> confirmed
[01:37] <T-Bone> firefox 1.0+dfsg.1-2 segfaults the same way while it works just fine on my debian system
[01:40] <mdz> zul: do you have a master bug for the hang-on-unmount issue with inotify?
[01:40] <mdz> zul: 6877 is a duplicate of it
[01:41] <T-Bone> mdz: just fyi, seems that oo.o is also somehow the culprit for the mozilla bug...
[01:41] <zul> mdz: no i dont ill create one right now
[01:43] <zul> mdz: #6929.
[01:43] <jdub> seb128: inotify fixes that
[01:43] <lamont> T-Bone: interesting
[01:43] <jdub> seb128: when it's not hanging your kernel ;)
[01:44] <seb128> jdub: <seb128> mdz: gamin is less bugged than fam in this area but inotify really fixes the issue
[01:44] <seb128> jdub: yeah :)
[01:44] <jdub> yeah :)
[01:44] <jdub> heh
[01:44] <jdub> so, i think we should pull in inotify updates
[01:44] <T-Bone> lamont: a good way to check that would be to try removing language packs on a known working hoary box (x86/ppc/whatever) and see if installing a mozilla locale kills it the same way
[01:44] <jdub> but i'm not too worried if we disable it for the release
[01:45] <T-Bone> lamont: if it does then we're all setup -ENOTIA64BUG, if it doesn't then it's ia64-specific but not mozilla specific, probably something weird in the language support system
[01:45] <T-Bone> my bet is on the first case
[01:45] <seb128> jdub: is there a working inotify ?
[01:45] <jdub> seb128: rml's doing lockless work that will arrive as 0.20 most likely
[01:46] <seb128> jdub: the gnome-control-center's maintainer in debian works as a kernel guy for mandrake and according to him they don't have such issues with new versions
[01:46] <seb128> jdub: I'll poke him again
[01:46] <jdub> seb128: 0.19?
[01:46] <zul> jdub: got an idea when 0.20 when?
[01:47] <jdub> zul: i'll ping rml for info
[01:47] <zul> k great
[01:47] <seb128> jdub: I spoke with him like 1 week ago and according to him they have fixed their issues with inotify
[01:47] <jdub> seb128: hrm, rml may have folded it in to 0.19 updates
[01:47] <jdub> hmm.
[01:47] <jdub> seb128: cooker kernel?
[01:47] <seb128> I think he's working for 10.2 
[01:48] <seb128> dunno how they handle the different branches
[01:48] <jdub> cooker is their devel branch
[01:48] <mdz> zul: thanks
[01:48] <jdub> zul: perhaps check what mdk are doing in cooker
[01:48] <seb128> yeah, but they are probably already frozen for 10.2 ?
[01:48] <jdub> seb128: no idea ;-)
[01:48] <jdub> hopefully they have public srpms though
[01:48] <jdub> rml isn't around atm
[01:49] <mdz> jdub: who should own gnome-app-install bugs in Bugzilla?
[01:49] <jdub> mdz: me, might switch owner/qa to me and ross later
[01:49] <jdub> zul: email?
[01:50] <zul> jdub: zulcss@gmail.com
[01:51] <jdub> zul: mailed rml, cc'ed you :)
[01:52] <zul> thanks
[01:52] <zul> mdz: is it possible to add the kernel-team so when there is a bug report for the kernel that they get notified as well?
[01:52] <jdub> we can add kernel-team to the qa contact for the kernel packages
[01:52] <jdub> can do now if you want
[01:52] <zul> sure
[01:53] <mdz> zul: sure, what is the email address for the kernel team?
[01:53] <jdub> mdz: doing atm
[01:53] <mdz> ok
[01:54] <jdub> (kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com btw, which you should probably join :)
[01:54] <zul> heh..alrady on
[01:55] <lamont> thanks jdub/mdz
[01:55] <jdub> do you want l-r-m too?
[01:56] <zul> lamont: ^^^
[01:56] <lamont> jdub: I thought that was daniels...
[01:56] <jdub> should it be kernel team?
[01:56] <lamont> those tend to mostly be X borkage, although some firmware stuff finds its way in there
[01:57] <lamont> if daniels thinks so, I agree
[01:57] <lamont> I don't want to steal it from him and all that. :-P
[01:58] <lamont> bbiam
[01:59] <jdub> ok, only changing qa contact for now anyway
[01:59] <jdub> ahar!
[01:59] <jdub> time to go to codefest
[01:59] <jdub> where tehre will be lots of ubuntu usres
[01:59] <lamont> time to feed horses
[01:59] <jdub> and ubuntu a11y hacking :)
[02:02] <zul> bbl
[02:05] <elmo_> $ su - 
[02:05] <elmo_> Sorry.
[02:05] <elmo_> hmm.
[02:07] <mdz> elmo_: context?
[02:07] <jdub> mdz: would we regard udev not even installing or upgrading on 2.4 systems as NOTUBUNTU?
[02:08] <elmo_> mdz: sarge  -> hoary; it's the usual libc6 upgrade fux0rs libnss-db
[02:10] <mdz> jdub: I think we would need to fix that in order to support upgrades from 2.4 systems
[02:10] <mdz> elmo_: I thought that typically only fux0red running processes
[02:11] <elmo_> mdz: until make is rerun, libnss-db stuff isn't recognised, for new or running processes
[02:11] <elmo_> heh, libc6.1 is 'optional' in our overrides
[02:13] <elmo_> mdz: it's not disastrous, as long as you have a privleged non-libnss-db account or a cron'ed regeneration.. 
[02:13] <jdub> mdz: yeah, i now have a linode (uml), and stuck without ubuntu-base due to udev
[02:14] <jdub> (though after that, i removed most of ubuntu-base for space reasons)
[02:14] <dredg> reminds me, must build a ubuntu fs for uml
[02:20] <mako> someone want to take a look at this before i send it out? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
[02:20] <mako> go ahead and makes changes to ti
[02:21] <jdub> mako: when do you want to send it?
[02:21] <mako> i'm writing up the announcement now
[02:21] <mako> i'll be ready in like 15-20 minutes max
[02:21] <jdub> hrm
[02:21] <mako> want to wait?
[02:22] <jdub> nah, not worth it
[02:23] <mako> what would we wait for?
[02:23] <ajmitch> where in Sydney will it be?
[02:23] <jdub> ajmitch: rushcutters bay
[02:23] <ajmitch> joy, ANZAC day in .au
[02:23] <jdub> ajmitch: south of the harbour, near potts point
[02:23] <ajmitch> alright
[02:23] <jdub> so we can perve on celebs
[02:23] <mako> jdub: we want to set a deadline for sponsorship that's mid-march
[02:24] <ajmitch> mako: ah, there will be sponsorship?
[02:24] <jdub> mako: just thinking about missing info, but we can fill that in later, not important right now
[02:24] <mako> ajmitch: yes
[02:24] <mako> ajmitch: it's in the page :)
[02:26] <dredg> ajmitch: you're in the right hemisphere at least :)
[02:26] <ajmitch> dredg: just a quick hop across the tasman..
[02:26] <ajmitch> pity about the steep sydney airport taxes though
[02:26] <ajmitch> jdub: how far from there to lewisham? :)
[02:27] <jdub> not far really
[02:27] <jdub> 20min drive?
[02:27] <ajmitch> great, there's some people there I want to meet up with
[02:27] <jdub> without traffic
[02:27] <jdub> but being sydney... :)
[02:28] <mako> so many australians...
[02:28] <jdub> sydney's a country town compared to LA
[02:28] <jdub> NY
[02:28] <ajmitch> well I got used to a 1hr+ commute into the CBD from where I was staying in melbourne
[02:28] <mako> it's like the frog in hot water technique
[02:28] <mako> jdub: think i should send this announce?
[02:29] <mako> jdub: to -announce even
[02:29] <mako> jdub: or -news
[02:29] <jdub> announce
[02:29] <mako> cool
[02:29] <jdub> silbs asked you to?
[02:29] <mako> it was implied
[02:29] <jdub> heh
[02:29] <mako> but it seems sensible
[02:30] <jdub> worth announcing "conference will be here, on these dates, more info to come" anyway
[02:30] <mako> and "if you want sponsorship, this is the place to sign up"
[02:30] <jdub> AEROBUCKS HERE --->
[02:30] <mako> we'l have a list of interested people to mail with new information in the future
[02:30] <ajmitch> hm, should I consider applying?
[02:30] <mako> ajmitch: yes
[02:31] <jdub> ajmitch: priority goes to people in the region, so yeah, hell yeah
[02:31] <mako> last time, *most* people who applied got funding
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> daniels is not allowed to go >:|
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> our wedding is on the 30th
[02:32] <jdub> our being you and daniels? :)
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> <3
[02:32] <mako> does daniels know about this?
[02:32] <mako> his imminent matrimonial state
[02:33] <jdub> imminent? dude, he's married to ME
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> :o
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> he never told me that
[02:33] <jdub> he didn't want to < 3 your <3
[02:33] <jdub> wifi is slow
[02:34] <mako> daniels: fscking bigamist
[02:34] <ajmitch> jdub: yes, I just rsynced a few hundred MB of ubuntu packages via 11b
[02:34] <ajmitch> painful
[02:34] <jdub> thought i'd be out of here already
[02:39] <mako> ok.. i'm gonnna announce this shindig
[02:47] <zul> back
[02:50] <ajmitch> wb zul 
[02:51] <mdz> 1306 kept, 463 moved, 490 deleted.
[02:51] <mdz> ubuntu-bugs is winning
[02:55] <T-Bone> gah, my eyes are closing :P
[03:04] <cleaverAlf> i just received a STACK of Ubuntu in the mail but neither the LiveCD or Install CD will run on my little test system.  Gigabyte MB GA5-AX, Adaptec 2940UW scsi controller, 18gb scsi 3 disk, 6x scsi CDRW, vodoo3 video card and Viewsonic 17GL monitor, and AMD800Mhz Athalon cpu.
[03:05] <mdz> cleaverAlf: file a bug report at bugzilla.ubuntu.com with exact details about what you tried, and how it failed
[03:06] <cleaverAlf> np..  thanx..
[03:21] <zul> i 2.4 actually supported?
[03:21] <zul> gah...stupid keyboard 
[03:28] <davyd> zul: no, since you need /sys to use HAL
[03:40] <whiprush> too late in the freeze for mutt-ng?
[04:08] <jdub> whiprush: ha ha
[04:10] <whiprush> hey no laughing, I've fixed 2 lintian errors on it already. :p
[04:11] <jdub> whiprush: certainly a universe candidate candidate :)
[04:11] <whiprush> yeah, obviously
[04:11] <whiprush> I didn't mean in main
[04:11] <whiprush> heh
[04:17] <ajmitch> jdub: got any word on freeze dates for universe?
[04:17] <ajmitch> like how much slack we have to get new packages in, python pkgs transitioned to 2.4 :)
[04:44] <dholbach> ok pals... i'm off to bed
[04:44] <dholbach> it's 4:44 already
[04:44] <dholbach> *yawn*
[04:45] <ajmitch> night dholbach 
[04:45] <dholbach> sleep tight
[04:49] <dholbach> *wave*
[05:00] <zulzzz> hey ogra 
[05:52] <mdz> jdub: they're using 2.4 UML?
[06:16] <jdub> mdz: yeah, they have an experimental 2.6, but mostly 2.4
[09:57] <Kamion> morning
[09:58] <daniels> g'morning
[10:14] <sid77> hi
[11:28] <dholbach> hai
[11:31] <dholbach> now this is funny: just for the fun of it, i started using arabic locale in gnome, but seems like loads of apps didnt understand to switch back the orientation, when i switched back to german (some still have arabic captions)
[11:31] <dholbach> wow
[11:34] <_d4vid> http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/news/archive/parishiltonaddressbook.htm
[11:57] <tritium> ajmitch, you around?
[11:57] <ajmitch> yes, I am
[11:57] <dholbach> hi tritium!
[11:57] <dholbach> hi ajmitch!
[11:57] <tritium> hi dholbach
[11:57] <tritium> :)
[11:58] <ajmitch> hey dholbach 
[11:58] <dholbach> woohoo! MOTU power! :-)
[11:58] <tritium> I'm really close here.  I switched to cdbs, and I can't seem to exclude the package's files from the -doc package.
[11:59] <ajmitch> ok..
[12:03] <ajmitch> tritium: are the same files being installed into both packages?
[12:05] <tritium> ajmitch, yes, except for those I designated with DEB_INSTALL_DOCS_package-doc
[12:05] <tritium> those are only placed in the -doc package
[12:05] <ajmitch> right
[12:06] <ajmitch> take a look at dh_install manpage
[12:06] <tritium> ok
[12:06] <ajmitch> time for me to go & sleep, sorry :)
[12:06] <tritium> me too.  It's 6 a.m.  I need a little nap before I start my day.  Thanks for your help :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> heh
[12:06] <ajmitch> night
[12:07] <tritium> night
[12:11] <dholbach> sleep tight you two
[12:11] <dholbach> tritium: you uploaded the last package?
[12:24] <dholbach> can somebody confirm march 3rd as previewFreeze date, if i didnt get the schedule wrong?
[12:43] <T-None> dholbach: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[12:44] <abelli> ciao a tuti
[12:44] <abelli> enrico: xiao ming
[12:45] <abelli> could you please tell me if k3b will be removed from hoary?
[12:47] <dholbach> T-None: how do you read it?
[12:47] <T-None> seems preview freeze is scheduled for feb 28
[12:47] <T-None> ie next monday
[12:47] <dholbach> T-None: actually all dates are due to wednesdays
[12:47] <dholbach> hi dredg 
[12:48] <dredg> lo dholbach 
[12:48] <T-None> that would make sense then, I've been told PF is scheduled for march 2
[12:48] <dholbach> oh yes.. the 2nd
[12:48] <T-None> (kamion told me so)
[12:48] <dholbach> thanks
[12:48] <T-None> np
[12:48] <dholbach> need to set up MOTUTodo for it
[12:54] <dholbach> jdub: ping
[12:57] <sivang> hi all
[12:58] <dholbach> hi sivan
[12:58] <dholbach> brb
[01:01] <sivang> just came to see what's news, be back later also
[01:03] <svenl> hi Kamion ...
[01:03] <svenl> anyway, hi guys.
[01:04] <svenl> I am asked by my management how support for hoary officially stands in ubuntu for the pegasos.
[01:04] <svenl> Regarding an announcement that we will be making on monday or something such for which i can't really give any detail.
[01:05] <svenl> Now, as far as my understanding goes, current ubuntu/hoary fully supports the pegasos provided i fix the OF implementation to work with yaboot.
[01:07] <svenl> And then only two minor details need fixing : the marvell gigabit ethernet driver in the ubuntu kernel, and some X issue i mentioned DanielS.
[01:07] <svenl> So, i am wondering what the official ubuntu position is on this matter ?
[01:07] <svenl> (or who i could write about this).
[01:09] <abelli> ogra: ciao
[01:10] <svenl> oh well, will ask again later.
[01:12] <abelli> sivang: hey
[01:41] <trukulo> hi ppl
[01:45] <sladen> svenl: ping Kamion
[01:46] <sladen> svenl: alot of people are currently at FOSDEM so things maybe a little laggy
[01:55] <abelli> sladen: are you going there?
[01:57] <svenl> sladen: ah, ok.
[01:59] <T-None> morning elmo_ 
[02:00] <abelli> who is in belgium right now?
[02:02] <elmo_> T-Bone: hi
[02:03] <T-Bone> elmo_: i've posted some status update about ia64 on the m-l, feel free to comment it as you see fit. I have notably not said anything about the livecd, since i haven't tested it in a while...
[02:07] <elmo_> T-Bone: ok
[02:07] <T-Bone> thx
[02:40] <elmo_> *.ubuntu.com's going down for kernel upgrade, bb in a few minutes
[02:51] <abelli> ogra: are you here?
[02:52] <abelli> ogra: problems with graveman for warty.
[03:02] <ogra> abelli, sorry, that package is very outdated, i will build a new one after preview release (before i'm very busy with hwdb)
[03:02] <abelli> ogra: no worries..
[03:02] <abelli> ogra: we can do it for you..
[03:03] <abelli> ogra: you will need just to check for it to work
[03:03] <abelli> btw how's hailie?
[03:03] <abelli> hal?
[03:03] <ogra> missing the last patch....(dmidecode/bios data) 
[03:04] <ogra> will hopefully get included on monday
[03:04] <abelli> is there any documentation about it?
[03:04] <ogra> not yet
[03:04] <abelli> where did you study?
[03:04] <ogra> hal ?
[03:04] <ogra> i looked at the code and patches of other ppl
[03:05] <abelli> nice
[03:05] <abelli> ...wonderful
[03:05] <abelli> ...dont hate me for this..
[03:05] <ogra> ?
[03:05] <abelli> what is hailie meant to do?
[03:06] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/hwdb_schema.png
[03:06] <abelli> hooray
[03:06] <tseng> ogra: hm
[03:06] <abelli> ogra: thanks
[03:07] <ogra> it collects the hwdata on your system....asks some questions and submits the data online
[03:07] <ogra> ...oh, and performs sometests....
[03:08] <abelli> ogra: what kind of tests?
[03:08] <ogra> the hoary variant will be rather trivial.....but the base for a much greater system in hoary+1
[03:09] <ogra> something like: "do you hear this sound ?" (to test the sound hw).....or a ping to the first gateway to test the network config
[03:18] <zulzzz> ogra: i think #6934 is for you :)
[03:20] <ogra> zul: hey, thanks :)
[03:43] <dholbach> abelli: when you finished graveman, i can review it too
[03:44] <dholbach> abelli: hope you mean hoary :-)
[03:45] <jdub> elmo_: ping
[03:46] <abelli> dholbach: no ElephantHog
[03:46] <abelli> dholbach: hoary+5
[03:46] <sladen> abelli: looking around, I think sladen, mjg59, Kinnison, daf, Treenaks, Riddell, Mithrandir are in Brussels.  Along with about 10,000 Ubuntu CDs...
[03:47] <abelli> sladen: can you buy me a tshirt from the gnu project?: )
[03:48] <elmo_> jdub: ?
[03:49] <dholbach> jdub: i'm sure you're quite busy, but do you think there's a way to put the ubuntu-love crowd to something like  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUTodo  more explicitly?
[03:49] <jdub> elmo_: just checking if you're around - please watch the new queue ;)
[03:49] <jdub> dholbach: feel free to modify the UbuntuLove page :-)
[03:50] <jdub> dholbach: there's a line about MOTU there
[03:50] <ogra> dholbach: btw, could you reparent it to MOTU ?
[03:50] <dholbach> jdub: could you add it to the channel's topic?
[03:50] <dholbach> ogra: erm... if you told me how? *blush*
[03:50] <dholbach> jdub: thanks :-)
[03:51] <ogra> hmm, never did it, but it should be possible....
[03:51] <dholbach> i'll ask the MOTU gang
[03:52] <ogra> done
[03:52] <ogra> dholbach: you can do it at the bottom of the page.....enter the new parent and click reparent
[03:53] <dholbach> oh... i'll have a look - thanks
[03:55] <dholbach> seb128: ping
[03:55] <seb128> pong
[03:55] <dholbach> seb128: shall i take care of the ruby-issue?
[03:55] <seb128> if you want
[03:55] <dholbach> seb128: ok... will do later, after i reviewed dredg's packages
[03:56] <dholbach> seb128: thanks for pointing out - you're awesome
[03:56] <seb128> you're welcome :)
[03:59] <trulux> default python for hoary is 2.4
[03:59] <trulux> right?
[03:59] <tseng> right.
[03:59] <trulux> ok
[03:59] <dredg> dholbach, nautilus-python too :)
[03:59] <trulux> any recommendation on python dependencies fullfilling?
[04:00] <trulux> seems that python does not come with libselinux bindings
[04:02] <dholbach> dredg: you're so funny :-)))
[04:06] <dredg> dholbach, there's still so much to do on the python transition :-/
[04:07] <dholbach> dredg: we'll manage... really, don't exhaust yourself 
[04:08] <dholbach> dredg: you're doing fabulous work
[04:15] <dredg> dholbach, just did a test build of zapping here. it appears to use python2.4
[04:15] <dholbach> dredg: i'm on amd64, so i ran into trouble
[04:16] <dredg> aha
[04:16] <dholbach> dredg: but can do another test tonight
[04:27] <karim> hi
[04:27] <karim> I use ubuntu powerpc
[04:28] <karim> the kernel udpate tries to use quik to configure the boot bloc, however I prefer yaboot
[04:28] <karim> is that a deliberate choice ?
[04:33] <trulux> err
[04:33] <trulux> I wonder if upgrading from warty to hoary right now is realiable
[04:34] <zul> trulux: why do you say that?
[04:40] <dredg> trulux, yes. for certain values of reliable.
[05:04] <trulux> zul: I want to do it :)
[05:04] <zul> then do it :)
[05:06] <HiddenWolf> go girl! :)
[05:09] <zul> right...ill be back later this afternoon
[05:11] <trulux> elmo_: ping
[05:12] <trulux> zul: just I want to know if minimal desktop applications work
[05:12] <trulux> I mean
[05:12] <elmo_> trulux: ?
[05:12] <trulux> elmo_: I've talked with mdz on creating an ubuntu-selinux and ubuntu-selinux-devel mailing lists
[05:13] <trulux> elmo_: he commented you're the man to ask, if so, are you proud?
[05:13] <elmo_> trulux: err, no he didn't, he said jdub was the person to ask
[05:13] <trulux> arr
[05:13] <trulux> yeah
[05:13] <trulux> sorry
[05:13] <trulux> jdub: ping
[05:13] <trulux> ajmitch. ping
[05:27] <trulux> any rep. with python2.4 for Warty?
[05:31] <HiddenWolf> trulux: no
[05:32] <trulux> ok
[05:32] <trulux> anyways, now works for both
[05:44] <dholbach> hi sabdfl 
[05:45] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: yes, I would imagine if ooo works on amd64, it should work on ia64 as well
[05:49] <dholbach> catch up with you later... need to get an hour of sleep
[05:49] <dredg> just looking over the buildd log for blender.. has anyone seen this one:
[05:49] <dredg> ccache: failed to create (null)/.ccache (No such file or directory)
[05:51] <dredg> ah, google to the rescue
[06:01] <SuperL4g> On a whim I decided to download the latest Hoary install CD.  I have to say... you guys ROCK. :)
[06:06] <dholbach> dredg: give it some nice kicks like thom did on firefox too :-)
[06:07] <trulux> anybody here can tell me how to install python bindings within a package? even dh_python if it's what needs to be used
[06:07] <trulux> ?
[06:20] <elmo_> heh
[06:20] <elmo_>  /dev/sda2 has gone 2613 days without being checked, check forced.
[06:28] <mdz> thom: around?
[06:39] <trulux> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${python:Depends}
[06:40] <trulux> hah
[06:46] <dredg> trulux: man dh_python
[06:48] <doko_> trulux: what do you mean with "within a package"?
[06:48] <trulux> nah, done
[06:48] <trulux> dredg: ?
[06:48] <trulux> dredg: referring to the unk. subs. message?
[06:50] <dredg> trulux, yeah
[06:51] <trulux> dredg: ah, ok
[06:51] <trulux> :)
[06:51] <gnii> could someone recommend a high spec laptop that is most compatible with ubuntu. I'm after something semi-portable but not a desktop replacement.
[07:03] <mdz> gnii: check the HardwareSupport page in the wiki, or ask on #ubuntu or ubuntu-users
[07:04] <gnii> mdz: thanks, I have looked at a lot of support pages, it seems ibm is a good bet but. I am on ubuntu now and getting some feedback, many thanks
[07:21] <Nigelenki> is magical free root access a #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel issue?
[07:22] <azeem> it might be an FAQ issue, if it involves sudo and typing your password
[07:22] <Nigelenki> azeem:  gksudo running ethereal
[07:22] <Nigelenki> if I gksudo in a terminal, it asks for my password
[07:22] <Nigelenki> if I then click cancel and hit applications->internet->ethereal (as root), it runs ethereal, as root, without asking me.
[07:22] <sabdfl> hi dholbach
[07:22] <Nigelenki> and i'm liek
[07:23] <Nigelenki> "Wait wtf it doesn't want my password?!!!!"
[07:23] <sabdfl> Mithrandir: ok, thanks.. that solves one issue, we need oo.o2 building on amd64 anyhow
[07:24] <sabdfl> Nigelenki: please file a bug, assign to pitti
[07:24] <sabdfl> hey mdz
[07:25] <Nigelenki> sabdfl:  will do
[07:28] <Nigelenki> sabdfl:  at connonical right?
[07:28] <Nigelenki> cannonical
[07:28] <dredg> Nigelenki: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[07:29] <sabdfl> i hope we aren't connonical ;-)
[07:29] <sabdfl> so does everyone else on this adventure
[07:29] <Nigelenki> dredg:  yes I mean to assign to martin.pitt
[07:30] <T-None> hey sabdfl!
[07:31] <sabdfl> hey T-None
[07:32] <mdz> sabdfl: morning
[07:32] <sabdfl> somewhere, yes
[07:32] <T-None> sabdfl: i sent a report on the m-l, as we discussed yesterday. I hope this helps having a clearer view
[07:33] <mdz> Nigelenki: that is not a bug; it's a feature
[07:33] <mdz> please don't file in bugzilla
[07:33] <Nigelenki> mdz:  a feature that continuously gives root without password when it's apparently no longer cached?
[07:33] <dredg> does it actually give root?
[07:33] <Nigelenki> mdz:  Should I be able to gksudo in a terminal without being prompted for my password?
[07:33] <mdz> Nigelenki: yes, if you successfully used gksudo or sudo in the past 15 minutes
[07:34] <Nigelenki> dredg:  Yes, I believe.  As root i can see net adapters in ethereal; as non-root, I don't see any.
[07:34] <Nigelenki> mdz:  MY symptoms are that in the terminal, gksudo asks for a password (which I don't give; I click cancel); and at the same time, I can click the ethereal menu entry and it gives the process root without asknig me for my password
[07:35] <mdz> Nigelenki: the timeout is per-terminal
[07:35] <Nigelenki> hmm.
[07:35] <mdz> if you run "sudo -k", you'll find that it starts prompting you again
[07:35] <Nigelenki> but the last place I actually entered my password was text terminal
[07:36] <Nigelenki> bluefox@icebox:~$ sudo -k
[07:36] <Nigelenki> App -> internet -> ethereal (as root)
[07:36] <Nigelenki> doesn't prompt me.
[07:36] <mdz> it certainly does prompt me
[07:36] <Nigelenki> well it doesn't ask me shit o.o
[07:38] <mdz> hmm, sudo -k doesn't seem to clear the timestamp for other terminals
[07:38] <mdz> at any rate, it's just normal credential caching; it isn't magic root
[07:38] <sabdfl> T-None: did you get my mail cc to Thierry?
[07:38] <Nigelenki> mdz:  I'll leave it for 15 mins
[07:39] <mdz> Nigelenki: or sudo rm -rf /var/run/sudo/bluefox
[07:39] <T-None> sabdfl: yeah i swa that
[07:39] <T-None> sabdfl: let me know if it remains un-answered, but I doubt it will
[07:48] <cartman> is archive.ubuntu.com not working?
[07:48] <cartman> can't connect to it
[08:00] <Nigelenki> mdz:  indeed, you're right, false alarm.  Apparently sudo updates the timestamp every time it's run
[08:00] <Nigelenki> so I could continue using it to "keep my root access alive"
[08:00] <Nigelenki> (`sudo true` every 10 minutes say)
[08:00] <Nigelenki> which is what happened with me running ethereal every 10 minutes to see if it'd prompt me yet  guess
[08:16] <dredg> is anyone aware of any packages in ubuntu (apart from blender) that use scons to build?
[08:31] <Allen> can some here help me out with this small prob
[08:31] <Allen> i got ubuntu runnin
[08:32] <Allen> but then i dont have any loop devices
[08:32] <Allen> do i have to use mkdnod
[08:32] <Allen> or is there a way i can get the loop devices made
[08:33] <trulux> I need pitti now
[08:33] <trulux> :)
[08:33] <trulux> gcc-hardened may be ready for tomorrow
[08:34] <kent> Allen, have you loaded the module for loop-devices?
[08:36] <Nigelenki> hey
[08:37] <Nigelenki> when will firefox 1.0.1 be available
[08:37] <Allen> i dont think so
[08:37] <Allen> i am not sure
[08:38] <Nigelenki> ubuntu seems to use some 1.0dfsg thing which i assume is 1.0 plus backported fixes
[08:38] <Allen> but then Mr Kent......is the module available...i am sure it is
[08:38] <Allen> if u can let me knw...it did be great
[08:38] <trulux> head: `-1' option is obsolete; use `-n 1'
[08:38] <Nigelenki> there appear to be several security vulns in 1.0;; I haven't read the USNs lately to see if they've been patched for ubuntu
[08:39] <kent> Allen, i think you can load the module with the command modprobe.  So, try with "modprobe lo" (make sure modprobe is in $PATH or run it with /sbin/modprobe or whatever the place is
[08:39] <kent> Allen, that is, im not 100% that the module's name is "lo" but i think so. 
[08:39] <Allen> ya
[08:40] <Allen> i shall try that
[08:40] <kent> Allen, then i think you can mount a loop-device with "mount -o loop  file.dat /media/mountplace" or something like that. 
[08:40] <Allen> i have a crampfs image
[08:40] <Allen> i am trying to mount it using this command
[08:40] <dredg> Nigelenki: 1.0.1 will be ready when it's ready
[08:40] <Nigelenki> yeah usn 85-1 covers the gaim vulns but not the firefox "firescrolling" :)
[08:41] <Nigelenki> dredg:  packagers busy, or having problems making it work?
[08:41] <Allen> mount /path/ofthe/imagwe /mount/point -t ext2 -o loop=/dev/loop1
[08:41] <kent> Allen, ok. But first, make sure the "lo" module is loaded. Then, mount it with "mount -o loop /where-crampfs-file /media/mountdir"
[08:41] <Allen> bingo
[08:41] <dredg> Nigelenki: or maybe he's working on other things. i dunno
[08:41] <kent> Allen, did it work?
[08:41] <Allen> yes
[08:41] <Allen> thanks
[08:41] <kent> Allen, great :)
[08:42] <Nigelenki> dredg:  As long as you're aware of the issues.  I'm just now looking at the past few days' bugtraq on several vulns
[08:42] <Allen> now i ubuntu feels much better
[08:42] <Allen> thanks a lot Mr kent
[08:42] <kent> Allen, your welcome! :)
[08:44] <kent> Allen, by the way. I missed that you was talking in #ubuntu-devel,  please ask things in #ubuntu instead. This channes is for actuall talks about Ubuntu development.
[08:44] <Allen> well i am sorry for bein here
[08:45] <Allen> but then there i cud not find any help for long hours
[08:45] <Allen> so i just tried my luck here
[08:45] <Allen> next time i shall make sure of this
[08:45] <Nigelenki> dredg:  in particular http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/11474?ref=rss and http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10832?ref=rss (which seems to be http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/391559?ref=rss which requires flash and works on fedora core)
[08:46] <kent> Allen, its ok. But we should respect this as a devel-channel, and not disturb those who make Ubuntu as good as it is. :)
[08:46] <Nigelenki> I think there may have been a fix as well for the new dns spoofing  thing or whatever it was, that affected all browsers *except* internet explorer (which didn't support the feature that was being exploited)
[08:46] <Allen> i am sorry 
[08:46] <Allen> i shall note that
[08:46] <Nigelenki> anyway
[08:46] <Nigelenki> I'm done.
[09:08] <mxpxpod> hey guys
[09:10] <Gorth> Are anyone able to download this file: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/hoary-install-i386.iso
[09:15] <abelli> how can i change the root partition when booting warty live cd?
[09:19] <amu> root=/dev/xxxx
[09:19] <amu> or you want change on a running livesys your rootfs? 
[09:20] <abelli> mmm a friend has a badly broken kernel
[09:20] <abelli> i need to reinstall it
[09:20] <abelli> amu: and i ... ... im sorry, i dont know how to use your cd
[09:22] <amu> abelli: boot it mount your partion, chroot in it, fix your kernel, go out from the chroot and run lilo -r /mountpoint ; reboot   
[09:22] <abelli> amu: we use grub:)
[09:23] <amu> than forget lilo, if you edit menu.lst that's enough
[09:26] <mxpxpod> jdub: ping
[09:26] <mxpxpod> jbailey: ping
[10:01] <dredg> hmm, is this occuring for anyone else using muine? time elapsed is fine but when playing an ogg the total time for that track is 0:00
[10:01] <dredg> for an mp3 the total time displays fine
[10:07] <dredg> bah. works fine now that i've nuked ~/.gnome2/muine
[10:07] <trulux> jdub: there?
[10:08] <trulux> mdz: we are working on the new package, just did a hack for the rename-pkgs.sh script in gcc sources, maybe I should submit it
[10:08] <trulux> mdz: also, what are your final thoughts on the mailing lists?
[10:10] <jbailey> mxpxpod: Here, but hanging out with a friend.  What's up?
[10:10] <mxpxpod> jbailey: what was the solution for the icon caching thing?
[10:11] <jbailey> Dunno..  sb said it was fixed in upstream CVS.  Some padding issue.
[10:11] <mxpxpod> ah, ok
[10:23] <trulux> tritium: hey
[10:23] <tritium> trulux, hi
[10:24] <trulux> tritium: how are you doing!?
[10:24] <tritium> trulux, I'm fine, thanks.  You?  (I'm in Chicago today)
[10:25] <trulux> tritium: sounds great :) I'm fine, i was (and currently too) working on gcc-hardened, the paper, the selinux-support package, etc
[10:26] <tritium> trulux, nice.  I hope the paper goes well.  You plan to finish it today?
[10:28] <trulux> tritium: dunno, I need to work hard at it, many things remaining unfinished :(
[10:28] <trulux> tritium: unexpected need of History studying :)
[10:29] <tritium> trulux, I won't be around much today.  I'm taking my wife out tonight.
[10:30] <trulux> tritium: that's good :) I will try to have something more done before you go
[10:30] <tritium> trulux, I'm here already actually.  Mind if I get back in touch with you tomorrow night?
[10:32] <trulux> tritium: sure, NP
[10:32] <trulux> I will be for sure
[10:32] <tritium> Great.  Talk to you later!
[10:32] <trulux> tritium: take care!
[10:33] <tritium> trulux, You too.  Bye.
[10:37] <zul> hey
[10:39] <trulux> zul: hey hey
[10:39] <trulux> zul: cable for dcc there?
[10:39] <trulux> capable
[10:39] <zul> so did you upgrade turlux
[10:40] <zul> sure
[10:43] <mdz> trulux: one mailing list for selinux/mac/proactive security stuff should be sufficient
[10:45] <trulux> mdz:ok
[10:45] <trulux> zul: not yet
[10:45] <zul> k
[10:57] <cybrjackle> what version off gcc is array-5 spun with?
[10:57] <cybrjackle> i was looking for some release notes but didn't see any
[10:58] <cybrjackle> nvm, distrowatch shows 3.4.3 anyway
[10:59] <trulux> http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/selinux/debian/selinux-support/
[10:59] <trulux> zul: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/selinux/debian/selinux-support/
[10:59] <zul> cybrjackle: you can find out by doing gcc -v on the livecd
[11:00] <zul> trulux: ill try it out on a chroot later ok?
[11:00] <trulux> zul: ok
[11:01] <cybrjackle> trulux, what is that package for?
[11:01] <cybrjackle> is ubuntu going to have like a targeted-policy like fedora by any chance?
[11:02] <trulux> cybrjackle: I don't think on a targeted policy like FC
[11:02] <zul> but now i must have dinner
[11:04] <cybrjackle> trulux, what does the selinux-support package you linked up there for?
[11:04] <cybrjackle> nvm, read the .changes file
[11:05] <trulux> cybrjackle: installs all the needed packages for userland support of SELinux
[11:07] <cybrjackle> i tried to install selinux packages when ubuntu first came out and there were dep problems with some and it ended up being a bug somewere down the line that someone wasn't fixing from debian
[11:07] <cybrjackle> if i remember correctly, that was awhile back
[11:54] <sid77> hi