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blindertHas anyone experience getting Enlightenment DR 17 to run on Ubuntu?12:06
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ernihi12:08
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erniIO have a  problem12:08
ernii can't mount my cdrom12:08
ernii get an error mess12:08
ompaulerni, data or music?12:09
ernimount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist12:09
erniit doesn't matter12:09
ernii couldn't mount it12:09
ernibecause in fstab cdrom is in hdd and cdrom1 is in hdc12:09
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erni/dev/hdd12:10
erniand12:10
erni/dev/hdc12:10
ernibut the problem is12:10
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ernithat hdd and hdc don't exist!!!12:10
hawke_erni: Run 'dmesg'12:10
danielbellwhy does ubuntu not install alsaconf?12:11
hawke_erni: Look for hdc in that output12:11
erniyes12:11
StoffBox-Steveerni still have the cdrom prob from today ?12:11
hawke_danielbell: I think it's assumed that hotplug will find the sound card12:11
ernii have writen dmesg | grep hdc12:11
danielbellunfortunately for me it doesnt :(12:11
ernibut there is no string in the output with hdc or hdd12:12
ernii haven't been able of mounting my dvd or my dvd recorder since i installed ubuntu12:12
danielbellim really curious as to weither this sound card works with linux as when hotplug is starting a pop comes from the speakers (laptop), and alsa list says my card works using atiixp drivers, but ive never been able to get it to work :(12:12
hawke_erni: then you drive is probably not being detected.12:13
danielbellthats the last thing i need to get working then this laptop's pretty much all workin12:13
hawke_erni: Does the BIOS see it?12:13
danielbellapart from multimedia keys12:13
ompaulerni,  ls /dev/hd* any returns?12:13
hawke_danielbell: what does 'cat /proc/asound/cards' return?12:13
StoffBox-Stevedanielbell, have to installed KDE ?12:13
danielbellnah i got gnome12:13
danielbellhawke_ ill check12:13
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ernii haven't any hd* in /dev12:13
danielbelldan@shit:~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards12:14
danielbell--- no soundcards ---12:14
StoffBox-Steveok, becouse KDE kills my Soundcard today ... no sound after installing KDE :|12:14
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danielbellmaybe kde's volume thing is down?12:14
ompaulStoffBox-Steve, play with kmix and try the differerent cards in there :)12:14
linux_galor1StoffBox-Steve: go into kcontrol and turn the sound server on and set the timeout to 1 seconds12:15
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StoffBox-Stevemaybe, but i reinstalled Uhuntu :)12:15
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nicholsc?12:17
nicholschow do i run the config tool for ubuntu again?12:17
StoffBox-Stevewas no problem ... now Uhuntu is on the mainDrive :) that still better, have new space for an new "Play with gentoo" on the testing Drive12:17
StoffBox-Stevebase_config at the consoel nicholsc12:17
nicholscthanks12:17
nicholscwhat directory is it in12:18
ernii think ubuntu isn't able of recognize my dvd-rom12:18
nicholscbecause its not finding it12:18
StoffBox-Steveor was it base-config ?12:18
nicholscgot it12:18
nicholscthanks12:18
StoffBox-Steve :D NTN nicholsc12:18
StoffBox-Steve< out for a coffee someone else like one ?12:19
HFusionhey guys, I have some problems installing Warty - I get a GRUB error 17 at stage 1.5, and can't boot at all12:19
nicholscok so i'm running it12:20
nicholscbut i don't have my ubuntu cd with me12:20
nicholscwhere should i tell it the sources are located?12:20
nicholscbecause it said it copied everything to the hard disk when i ran this the first time from the CD12:20
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nicholscany suggestions?12:21
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HFusionare there any known issues with booting from a SATA drive?12:21
StoffBox-Stevea, a nice cup of coffee :) best think to start the night :)12:21
ernione doubt: all you know that one device for example /media/cdrom is linked with /dev/*12:21
sabdflHFusion: some issues w.r.t. SATA drives and ATA cdrom's12:22
ernii want to know which is that "*"12:22
ernihow can i know it?12:22
StoffBox-Stevesources.list nicholsc find it @ etc/apt/  ... normaly12:22
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bigmike151so how do i add an icon set?12:23
nicholscok is base-config the easiest way to change my default monitor settings12:24
basmy laptop has a external keyboard connected, which causes problem with special chars on the keyboard. how can i fix these? xmodmap or setting the keymap in xorg.conf dont really help..12:24
nicholscor can i just do it in the config file12:24
StoffBox-Steveto whar bigmike151? to the Gnome Theme12:24
bigmike151yeah12:24
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ionsanyone here use Bluefish?  I can't get it to save new files12:25
photoguy151i downloaded an icon theme12:25
photoguy151now i just need to know how to install the theme12:25
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HFusionso any ideas what to try to get past the grub error 17 at stage 1.5?12:25
HFusionthere were some suggestions on the forums to set access mode to lba, but there is no such option for sata drives12:26
StoffBox-Steveeasy way :) go Themes klick the Theme where you what to at the icon set > rightside "details" and dann install icon-set << sry but i cant say you the wohle way i have German Gnome... may Words are not the same :D12:26
photoguy151yeah12:27
photoguy151i just did that, so maybe the icon set it bad12:27
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photoguy151shouldnt it change all my program icons as well, if they have icons in the pack?12:28
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StoffBox-Steveyes photoguy151, but you must select it after install... must be shown in the left list12:28
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GammaRaydoes anyone know of a find like program that uses the magic database?12:29
StoffBox-Stevebas > Desktops-settings > Keyboard  --- take a try12:30
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photoguy151COOL!12:30
photoguy151got it12:30
photoguy151thanks12:30
StoffBox-SteveNTN photoguy151 :)12:30
ompaulGammaRay, the numbers generated by it are used by C iirc12:31
StoffBox-Stevewhen i help other i learn :), im a linux starter .. first install 2weeks ago :)12:31
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photoguy151does anyone know of the program that adds the max os bar to thebottom of your linux desktop?12:33
basStoffBox-Steve, problem is i have -two- keyboards. one on my laptop (which has a japanese layout) and an external bluetooth keyboard (with a us layout).. i think i need to set the layout at a lower level than at the X11 level, since X11 thinks i have just one keyboard...12:33
StoffBox-Stevehmm, here must be a option to set Gnome Global Lang to eng ? or better switch it on the fly between De - EN ? i don't find a option like that :S12:33
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StoffBox-Stevebas i dont know that helps ... but try to add a 2nd keyboard in the X11 config12:35
ompaulbas, you will need to have different configs for each possible combination12:35
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ompaula little pre gnome script to choose which one to do12:36
ompaulyou will also need to adjust the locale12:37
StoffBox-Steveboth keyboard sould show up at > sudo cat /proc/devices @ bas12:37
basStoffBox-Steve, ompaul, problem is that its a bluetooth keyboard that is externally connected, thus i do not know in advance on which /dev/input/event* the BT keyboard will be connected12:37
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ompaulbas, there are several files impacted by that choice right down to the users own preference12:39
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photoguy151does anyone know where i can geta copy of engage dock?12:40
ompaulbas it is the first time I have come across it with usb/bluethooth12:40
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StoffBox-Steveengage dock ? photoguy151o12:40
johnnybezakhey guys I have broken my sound, I know it works how do I reinstall it?12:41
photoguy151its an osx dock emu12:41
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StoffBox-Steveah, ok photoguy15112:42
photoguy151www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=1907512:42
StoffBox-Stevephotoguy151, than this can help you -- > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395712:42
Viper12Just got back from the ol' compusa......smiling like an idiot as I passed the ROWS of anti-virus/spam and 'fix-yer-winblows' software....gawds I luvs ubuntu.  lol  ---just HAD to say that. :)12:43
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Viper12makes one wonder in an x-files sorta' conspiracy mode if its not the stupid 'fix-it' software companies generating all the breakage.  heh heh12:44
Viper12sorry johnnybezak........you say you broke yer sound?  how?12:45
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johnnybezakViper12: i installed real player :P12:45
johnnybezakViper12: then rebooted now its dead12:45
Viper12lol.12:45
Viper12sorry.12:45
Viper12but.......lol12:45
Plasdomhey all. anyone been able to get wireless to work on a t42?12:45
Viper12have you tried to verify whether oss or alsa is default device since the reboot?12:46
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johnnybezakViper12: um no I havent12:47
johnnybezakViper12: I was reading on the ubuntu forums that it might be something to do with esd12:48
johnnybezakViper12: but Ive got no idea about esd12:48
EdgeDo anyone know the map of the gnome main menu12:48
Viper12right click the ol' speaker icon and open volume control.  click file and see if it gives you the choice to change device. (this is with hoary).  might not be quite the same under warty, but you should be able to see if the default has 'changed'.12:48
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Viper12if its anything other than alsa, select, or change to alsa and see if the sound returns.12:49
johnnybezakViper12: the speaker icon?12:50
Viper12in gnome........>>>points to upper right panel.12:50
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johnnybezakViper12: haha fixed it thanks (im using flux hence the no speaker icon)12:50
Viper12lol12:50
Viper12was it '12:50
Viper12changed to another codec/sound default?12:51
StoffBox-SteveGuys, when i installed a tools (SIM) thats normaly for KDE under Gome, what libs i needed or what changes i have to make to geht control oder the fontsize and Lang ?12:51
johnnybezakViper12: im not sure, but it screwed something *shakes head in shame at installing realplayer*12:51
Viper12but you fixed it?12:52
Viper12and stoff.......how did you install? command line or synaptic?12:52
johnnybezakViper12: its working with OSS atm12:52
johnnybezakViper12: how can i make it use the ALSA drivers instead?12:52
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Viper12not sure as you're using flux. (I'm still beating on the ubuntu 'defaults' in hoary on that one.12:53
johnnybezakViper12: what gnome tool do i use12:53
johnnybezakViper12: i can just open her from the command line12:53
Viper12the gnome volume control is what I use.12:53
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Viper12the newer version installed let you change the device from the main control window (file>change device)12:54
Viper12Like I said though, I'm using the standard hoary provided players and such (well I did add xmms and mplayer).12:54
johnnybezakin gnome-volume-controol12:55
johnnybezakall ive got is quit :P12:55
Viper12are you using the hoary release?12:55
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Viper12If so, go to system/preferences and select multimedia systems selector.  you can change the imput sink and output there as well.12:57
photoguy151what does it mean when you try to enter a website and it says connection refused?12:57
Viper12(or at least TEST them there.)12:57
Viper12photoguy.......usually the site is fubard/down/ or restricted.12:57
johnnybezaki'm using 4.112:57
johnnybezakwhich ever wild animal that is :)12:57
Viper12ahh warty12:57
Viper12hmmm.12:57
Viper12trying to remember the default tool there......lol.12:58
johnnybezakconcentrate you must :)12:58
Viper12lol  okay yoda.12:58
|yoda:P12:59
Viper12what kinda' sound card you using?12:59
photoguy151anyone know of a opensource that is comparable to fruityloops?12:59
johnnybezakummm12:59
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johnnybezakjust the one in the imac12:59
johnnybezakhaha whatever the crap that is12:59
hawke_photoguy151: I know of some generic cereal that is comparable to froot loops12:59
photoguy151hehe12:59
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photoguy151fruity puffs01:00
photoguy151fruity rings01:00
johnnybezakphotoguy151: i heard about one a while back01:00
photoguy151hehe01:00
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Viper12johnny.........ya' gotta grab another 'tech' in here............I know about imacs about as much as........hmmm...trying to come up with a metaphor here......I dunno jack 'bout imacs.01:00
johnnybezaklol01:00
hawke_photoguy151: fruut tori?01:00
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johnnybezakif you can just tell me where i can switch the drivers :P01:00
Viper12I LOOKED at an imac at compusa a couple hours ago........sorry. :(01:01
ajayhi.  does anyone know what the source URI is for libdvdcss for powerpc?01:01
johnnybezakViper12: haha thanks anyway at least OSS is working01:01
Viper12you could use synaptics and either reinstall alsa, or esound?  -stabbing in the dark. ;)01:01
Viper12or see if alsa is even installed.01:01
hawke_ajay: deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/01:02
johnnybezakViper12: haha great minds think alike, i just reinstalled alsa01:02
ajaythank you.01:02
hawke_ajay: refer to http://debian.video.free.fr/01:02
johnnybezakViper12: is there like a setup script or something01:02
photoguy151do you guys use firestarter?01:02
Edgei want to punt a new program in the main gnome menu (for dutch it? called toepasingen, i dont know wat ik wil like in de english language). How can i doe that, where can i find the right map01:03
ajaythanks all.  gotta go.  back soon.01:04
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johnnybezakViper12: thanks for your help man I've tweaked the oss settings and it sounds fine01:04
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photoguy151where is a good place to find ebooks?01:05
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photoguy151there was a irc channel i had found awhile back, but i cant recall what it was called01:06
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photoguy151anyone?01:09
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johnnybezakphotoguy151: no idea sorry dude01:09
mseneyhaven't seen those guys in a long long time, impressed w/ the new song...enjoy01:10
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photoguy151its all good01:11
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msg43hi01:16
msg43how stable is ubuntu hoary01:16
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soren9580how do i set up ubuntu to use my wireless network?01:16
soren9580i've tried iwconfig eth1 essid Reedwlan key s:rsec001:17
soren9580and it enters the essid01:17
soren9580but it doesn't find the access point01:17
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Faustushi01:19
danielbellsoren: probly wont be eth01:19
msg43how stable is ubuntu hoary01:19
danielbelltry ath001:19
danielbellinstead of eth001:20
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pussfellerthere anyway to see if my isp is blocking outbound 25?01:20
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photoguy151how do i fix this "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"01:20
pussfellerim getting timeouts local to remote mailings, but i dont know if its msconfiguartion on my part01:20
msg43how stable is ubuntu hoary01:20
photoguy151ive done it befor, i just forgot how to do it01:20
hawkeHey, how do I get the ubuntu update thinger to run?01:21
pussfellerphotoguy151, doesnt that mean you dont have the dev package installed?01:21
bojohanstable enough for me01:21
photoguy151it could01:21
photoguy151what is tha package called01:22
pussfellerif you type gcc a terminal and get an error then you probably dont01:22
photoguy151nope, i dont01:23
photoguy151says command not found01:23
MartokIsn't Hoary coming out in April?01:23
msg43how stable is ubuntu hoary01:23
Quest-MasterPreview Release should be out in a few days01:25
Edgei want to punt a new program in the main gnome menu (for dutch it? called toepasingen, i dont know wat ik wil like in de english language). How can i doe that, where can i find the right map. Or is at a XML file, that? also een option I have heard01:27
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basculeEdge: nautilus application:///01:29
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pussfellerif i change my UID# in /etc/passwd and then chmod the files over, will that mess up sudo or anything else01:31
EdgeBascule: how can I axces that.01:31
toxicfumehi all01:31
toxicfumewhich version ofthe linux kernel does ubuntu 4.10 use? is it 2.6?01:32
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basculeEdge: type it in to nautilus01:32
EdgeBascule: ok thnx01:32
kingsley_My CD drive is pausing while playing a music CD. It always starts pausing within 5 seconds of the same spot in the same song. /var/log/messages reports timeouts. Suggestions?01:32
bojohanbascule: is that supposed to work in hoary?01:33
toxicfumeanyone?01:34
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MadMortaganMay I get some help from someone please?01:34
OmniColosanyone know how to get eap-ttls to work in ibook/airport?01:34
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kingsley_MadMortagan: What's up?01:35
basculebojohan: no it doesn' work in hoary01:35
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msg43how stable is ubuntu hoary01:35
basculein hoary /usr/share/applications/01:36
basculego to do manual xml files01:36
foznoti have updated to hoary and i can not get xmms to stream mp3 audio for woxy.com01:36
foznotany help?01:36
bojohanriiiight01:36
basculebojohan: sure they'll change that before release01:36
MadMortagankingsley_:  I am trying to install Ubuntu 4.10 on my secondary harddrive, but right after the installer starts it says "Your CPU does not support long mode, use a 32bit distrobution"01:37
basculegnoe it's self should have a right click add to menu function, but it doesn't ork in hoary01:37
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basculegnome*01:37
kingsley_MadMortagan: Have you searched Google's web and usenet archives for that error message?01:37
nicholschow do i configure my airport card with iwconfig01:37
pussfellerin the network connections dialog says I dont have smb functionality isntalled01:37
MadMortaganKingsley_:  I searched the Ubuntu site in the faq/mail archives section and found nothing01:38
MadMortaganI gave up after that01:38
toxicfumewhich version ofthe linux kernel does ubuntu 4.10 use? is it 2.6?01:38
bojohanand another question: does anyone know where synaptic stores its history?01:38
kingsley_MadMortagan: I suggest trying both of Google's archives.01:39
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toxicfumedoes anyone know?01:40
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nicholscdoes anyone here know anything about setting up a wireless connection with iwconfig?01:40
Nermalsure01:41
Nermaliwconfig wlan0 essid <essid of access point>01:41
bojohanMadMortagan: which cpu do you have?01:41
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MadMortagankingsley_:  AMD01:41
MadMortaganEr... Bojohan, sorry01:41
bojohanwhich one?01:41
toxicfumeno one?01:41
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bojohantoxicfume: google? :)01:42
TestDummyThis sucks..01:42
foznotyes 2.601:42
toxicfumefoznot: thankyou01:43
TestDummyI'm trying to plugin my USB modem but everytime I do my mouse freezes uo01:43
TestDummyup*01:43
bojohanMadMortagan: sounds like you're trying to use a 64 bit distribution on a 32 bit processor...01:44
MadMortaganBojohan:  That is the only type they have01:44
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bojohanwho? where?01:45
MadMortaganBojohan:  Unless I did not see it somewhere all I see are the AMD64bit images01:45
MadMortaganAt the Ubuntu site01:45
bojohan:/01:46
MikeWHow do I access disk management? For instance I created some partitions during installation and I would like to 1) remove the automount option for some, and 2) reformat some to a different filesystem01:46
lunahodHi, everyone. I have a P2 350 rig with 300+MB of RAM. What performance one should expect from installed ubuntu/gnom/2.6/openoffice in case of simple office paper work?01:46
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foznotlunahod i would try abiword or something smaller01:46
photoguy151can someone tell me the name of the dev package i should apt-get?01:47
tomarayaComplete newbie here, I'm trying to download the newest version of gaim, I currently have 1.0.0 and 1.1.4 is out. I see that it's available for download at http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php. Which one would I want to download and how would I install it? Sorry if that comes off as dumb but I tried to figure it out and I'm not having any luck.01:47
photoguy151i know there was one that included everything01:47
photoguy151apt-get install gaim01:47
photoguy151tomaraya:apt-get install gaim01:47
tomarayait says 'gaim is already the newest version.01:47
tomaraya'01:47
tomarayaBut the program itself tells me it isn't.01:48
Viper12mikew, you can use fdisk for some of that..........or if you prefer gui, download the gparted application.......lets ya do all kinds of stuff. :)01:48
Viper12and the automount stuff......just edit fstab.01:48
MikeWwhere is fstab?01:48
bojohan/etc/fstab01:48
MikeWah okay, thanks01:49
Viper12:)01:49
foznottomaraya: apt-get will not let you install the latest gaim01:49
Viper12hey tomaraya, are you on warty or hoary?01:49
tomarayafoznot: Oh.01:49
tomarayaViper12: Warty.01:49
photoguy151what is the dev pakage called that includes all gcc and cpp stuff?01:49
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MikeWI really wish linux had a nice Computer Management like windows has. Windows Logical Disk Manager is almost brilliant, and easy to find01:49
Viper12The 1.1.1.4 gaim.............came out in hoary updates earlier today.01:49
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lunahodfoznot, ok. thanks. Will try abiword.01:49
Viper12you might (if on warty) try the 'backports' repositories.01:49
foznoti have hoary and my gaim version is 1.1.201:49
tomarayaOh, I see. So it's nothing for me to worry about. Basically, if apt-get says its the newest don't worry then, correct?01:50
Viper12MikeW.........try Gparted.  Its pretty slick as well. similar to the windows disk management util.01:50
kingsley_Is there a way to test audio CDs for bad spots?01:50
bojohanphotoguy151: "gcc"?01:50
TestDummyDoes anybody have any clue why my mouse frezes when I plug in my modem??01:50
MadMortaganThank you for your help Kingsley_, and Bojohan01:50
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Viper12tomaraya.......the earlier version on hoary is considered 'stable'.  Just because its a slightly newer 'revision' doesn't make it better.01:50
photoguy151yah, but there is a package i downloaded befor that has all the development tools in it01:50
foznottoma... correct apt-get will allow you to get the latest stable version with your setup01:51
tomarayaViper12: So I've read. I wasn't worried about it, I just thought I was doing something wrong.01:51
tomarayafoznot: Ok, cool. Thanks for that.01:51
Viper12modem is USB, and the mouse is usb......is it possible that the conf file has them on the same 'port', as it were?01:51
TestDummyIt's two different port01:51
Viper12np tomaraya.01:51
TestDummys01:51
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TestDummyI don't even know what you mean by conf files01:51
foznottomaraya you can change your repostitories to add stuff not stable01:51
foznotgo to the ubuntuguide.org01:52
Viper12xorg.conf controls the enviroment.....monitors, keyboards, mouse, etc.01:52
Viper12or xfree if on warty.01:52
tomarayafoznot: Oh? Like add additional repositories?01:52
TestDummyWell, half my interface devices are USB... mouse keyboard, etc...01:52
TestDummyWould that be a problem?01:52
bojohantomaraya: yes01:52
foznotYES, we have a winner :)01:52
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tomarayafoznot: Yeah, I've seen those, where you edit out the # lines, I've already done that.01:53
Viper12nods testdummy.......I wouldn't think so....but you're adding a usb device that is obviously conflicting with the mouse.......my rec' would be to head to the ubuntu hardware forums first.01:53
tomarayafoznot: Plus in Synaptic I checked off the other 5 ones that were unchecked.01:53
TestDummyEck... well, I do have a little converter deal I got with the mouse that can switch it over to PS/2. perhaps if I dig that up I'll see if that works and if not, head to the fourms..01:54
Viper12the problem test with troubleshooting that particular problem here is the variety of differing hardware makes it really hard to say 'do x' in that instance.01:54
foznottomaraya, i think at ubuntulinux.org they can show you how to add multiverse repos, i think they  are called01:54
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foznotbut that is not all free software so beware01:54
Viper12also foz......he could add the 'backports' which has a LOT of stuff that is cutting edge 'new'.01:55
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Viper12or just upgrade to hoary.......heh heh.01:55
foznothmmm, backports?01:55
gpledhas anyone installed bzflag01:55
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TestDummyAha, here it is...01:56
tomarayaViper12: I went from an older kernel to a newer kernel, and it messed up NDISWrapper, I had to install it again. Will I have to do the same thing if I upgrade to Hoary?01:56
Viper12backports project (do a search on the ubuntu page.........its for 'new' releases for apt-get and synaptics which allow warty users to grab new stuff such as the OO 1.97 releases, and other stuff.01:56
TestDummyWell, I'll see if this helps.01:56
tomarayaI'll check it out right now.01:56
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MikeWViper12: gparted included with 4.10?01:56
foznotviper12 ah thanks01:56
Viper12did you manually config the kernel or do a synaptic smart upgrade?  but I'm guessing as its the ndiswrap, you may have to do it again. (guessing.)01:56
foznoti went to hoary last week01:57
photoguy151does anyone knwo how to use gdesklets?01:57
Viper12np foz01:57
Kyaneoshi01:57
gpledfoznot: did you upgrade to it?01:57
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Kyaneoshow can i set the locales???01:57
Kyaneosplease01:57
tomarayaViper12: Synatpic.01:57
bojohanphotoguy151: just run it01:58
tomarayaI wouldn't know how to manually do it. I've used linux for three days now, and haven't had enough time between work and peoples birthdays to really play with it.01:58
Viper12My guess is that you'll have to do the ndiswrapper config again.  but.........shrugs.01:58
tomarayaPlus computers and me really don't get along to begin with.01:58
tomarayaWell, it's not that big of a deal anyway I guess.01:58
Viper12you said you'd already done it though.??01:58
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tomarayaJust make sure that the GCC libraries are installed, kernel headers and restricted modules for kernel version and just 'make install' again01:59
tomarayaYeah, from 1-3 to 1-5 I did01:59
tomarayaI had 2.6.8.1-3-38601:59
tomarayaand now I have 2.6.8.1-5-38601:59
Viper12I just re-read your post..............and going with hoary is going to give you newer/better kernel........so I'd say you'll be fine.01:59
tomarayaAnd then NDISwrapper wouldn't work anymore01:59
tomarayaCool.01:59
Viper12386.........?  yech.  you on old hardware?02:00
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tomarayaAnother tard question, sorry. I post these on the forums but no one ever answer me. 1800+02:00
tomarayaShould I have the K7 one?02:00
Viper1268602:00
Viper12any amd 32bit processor is good ta' go with the 686 kernel02:00
Viper12its the amd 64 bits that diverge.02:01
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nicholscnermal, i tried the command you suggested, but it gives me an AP MAC address of 00:00---02:03
Viper12Tomaraya, before going hog-wild with upgrades....you said you're a 3-day-old linux user?  IF that's the case, my recommendation would be to stay with warty "stable", and play with it as it is.  Read the how-to's, and soak up the ubuntu forum info FIRST before going hog-wild on upgrades and such.  Learn the system first. :)02:04
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puterfixerhello again02:04
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puterfixerI'm having problems running XMMS; in root console, I'm getting an error message02:05
puterfixer/home/titel/.xchat2/downloads/Epyon.UnderNet.20050225.log02:05
puterfixererr02:05
puterfixerlibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:05
puterfixerInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!02:05
puterfixercould anyone suggest what I should do, please?02:05
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seanmIs there a PowerPC LiveCD of Ubuntu that has a functional copy of gcc02:06
Viper12does this happen in xmms no matter what is being played, or happens when you try to run xmms?02:06
bojohansudo apt-get install mikmod02:06
puterfixerwhenever I try to open xmms02:07
puterfixerit doesn't even open a window. the error appears when I try to run it from command-line.02:07
thoreauputiclimikmod2 I think : apt-cache search libmikmod should show you02:07
puterfixerjust reinstalled it using synaptic...02:07
Viper12was thinking that might be it as well thoreau02:07
tomarayaViper12: I'm trying to, read a lot of docs and bash and stuff, and trying to understand how the directories work and what files do what.02:08
tomarayaIt's sorta coming together :p02:08
Viper12that's good tomaraya. :)  Not knocking you being 'here' or anything...just some 'been-there-done-that' advice. :)02:08
tomaraya*nod* for sure, for sure02:09
Viper12The hardest part for me was getting my brain around the file structure....its like miles per hour vs. kilometers/hour...........we all know that base 10 is our brain, but after using one thing for sooooo long, its hard to switch.02:09
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puterfixerok, just downloaded libmikmod with synaptic02:10
tomaraya*nod* Yeah. Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.02:10
Viper12downloaded.....or installed?02:10
Viper12notaprob tomaraya02:10
puterfixerdownloaded and installed and... O_O it works!! thanks :)02:10
Viper12:)02:10
Viper12woot02:11
seanmHey does anyone know if there is a livecd version of ubuntu with a working copy of gcc?02:11
puterfixerdunno why xmms didn't select it when I installed xmms the first time02:11
MikeWhmm, I don't seem to have a root password02:11
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apokryphosMikeW: Ubuntu is like that by default; see the articles on the site.02:11
Viper12by default you won't mikeW.........use "sudo command blah blah"02:11
puterfixernext issue -- I followed the ubuntuguide instructions to automount my NTFS partitions in rw mode, but 1) I can't write on them, and 2) the mount points appear as drive icons on desktop, how can I remove them?02:12
MikeWwell when I get a message saying "You need to enter your root password to do this", I don't know what it is02:12
puterfixerMike, your default username's password02:12
MikeWI entered that02:12
Viper12oh gawds.........puterfixer you DONT wanna go there (write) on NTFS.  asking for ALL kinds of issues.02:12
MikeWbut it tells me to check if caps is on02:12
puterfixeroh ok. thanks for the warning, Viper. how about getting the icons off the desktop?02:13
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Viper12puter.......use the umount commands, and they'll go by-by.02:13
thoreauputicMikeW: try running the app frome the commandline  with gksudo ( like gksudo firestarter for example )02:13
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puterfixerbut I want to keep them mounted, heh02:13
tomarayaputerfixer: Well, the directory is named desktop so why not?02:14
Viper12then don't mount them in your home directory.02:14
puterfixerthey're mounted in /media02:14
Viper12(er......home Desktop directory).02:14
puterfixerlike /media/c , /media/d and so on02:14
seanmHey does anyone know if there is a livecd version of ubuntu with a working copy of gcc?02:14
MikeWthoreauputic: I've absolutely no idea how to launch network tools from the commandline02:14
puterfixerfor /dev/hda1 /dev/hda5 etc02:14
Viper12not sure seanm. although with the live cd, you can use apt-get or synaptic and get gcc.02:15
thoreauputicMikeW:  try gnome-network-preferences02:15
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photoguy151how do i get my panal on the bottom back if i removed it?02:16
thoreauputicMikeW: or type gnome- <tab> <tab> to see the lot (but there *sre* alot)02:16
thoreauputic*are*02:16
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photoguy151?02:17
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thoreauputicphotoguy151: right click the top panel, choose "add panel" or similar02:17
mBobhi - is it possible to use debian repositry's in ubuntu?02:17
mBobor will it mess up dep's?02:18
thoreauputicmBob: possible but not recommended02:18
thoreauputicprobably02:18
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mBobis ubuntu made from packages from debian repositries though?02:18
Viper12since ubuntu is completely debian 'based', you could, by adding the repos to sources.list...........but why?  the universe/multiverse repos are bazillions of apps anyway.02:19
mBobwell i looked in synaptic (or something like that) and couldn't find kd02:19
mBob*kde02:19
Viper12mbob, ubuntu is using the SID unstable branch.02:19
HiddenWolfmbob: Highly unrecommended, actually02:19
HiddenWolfmbob: enable universe02:19
mBobwhere do i do that?02:19
thoreauputicmBob: you need to enable "universe" under settings > repositories02:20
Viper12synaptic is using the apt-get sources.list file.  you can manually edit that file, and synaptics will grab from it after an 'reload'.02:20
Viper12or, just enable universe. lol02:20
mBobok thanks02:20
HiddenWolfmbob: either of the abovementioned, really02:20
thoreauputicmBob: don't forget to "reload" after adding universe02:20
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Viper12you will bulge yer eyes at all the stuff that shows up. ;)02:21
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bojohandoes anyone know where synaptic stores its logs?02:21
mBobthanks02:21
tomarayaViper12: Approximately how many things (ballpark) would be shown if you add the universe repository?02:21
thoreauputic10 000 or so ?02:22
Viper126-7 thousand?02:22
Viper12ish?02:22
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Viper12I think it was over 10k if universe AND multiverse were added.02:22
tomarayaWeird, doesn't seem like theres that much .. I did that right away.... and I just did a quick scroll through.02:22
thoreauputicyes, possibly right02:22
tomarayaActually, nevermind. Hehe.02:23
Viper12lol.....tomaraya..........:D02:23
HiddenWolfViper12: it's 13k in universe alone. :P02:23
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mBobwhats multiverse?02:23
Viper1213k?  coulda' sworn I read it was a lil' lower.........but hell who's counting?   lol02:23
tomarayaI'm assuming you have to add multiverse manually.02:23
thoreauputicmBob: restricted stuff (non-free in Debian terms I think)02:24
mBobo rite02:24
mBobthanks02:24
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Viper12smoke time. brb02:24
cg0defdoes anyone know a tool that is capable of editing the gnome 2.9.* apps menu?02:24
thoreauputictomaraya: yes, multiverse has to be edited in02:24
mBobreload is a lot faster than emerge sync on gentoo02:24
tomarayathoreauputic: Thought so.02:24
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puterfixerright. so I'm going to restart and see if mounting partitions in /mnt instead of /media will pop them on desktop again. thanks heaps, Viper!! have a good weekend if I don't see ya in a bit.02:25
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nicholsci've got my wireless card configured and its getting an IP address02:25
cg0defmBob: yeah well that's what you get for using python in gentoo02:25
nicholscbut i can't get online02:25
nicholscdo i need to add something in route?02:26
sindre_Do anyone know why my internet is realy slow in Ubuntu? I get about 200kbit/s now, usually i get 700kbit/s. Have anyone else had this problem?02:26
tomarayanicholsc: Can you get online when you use a LAN card?02:26
mBobnicholsc - can you ping your router?02:27
mBobprobably ping 192.168.0.102:27
mBobor ping 192.168.1.102:27
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nicholscno i can't02:27
nicholsci can get online with a lan card02:28
intradeanyone know does ubuntu live not have ppp modem dialer?02:28
nicholscwhich is what i'm using now02:28
intradedial up modem02:28
nicholscbut i can't get online when i unplug the cable02:28
tomaraya*nod* Obviously not proxies then.02:28
mBobis your wireless card getting an ip by dhcp?02:28
thoreauputicintrade: it's a bit of a pain - they forgot to add the default user to the dip and dialout groups IIRC02:28
nicholscyes it is02:29
tomaraya169.254?02:29
nicholscand it's a valid IP address02:29
nicholscno02:29
tomarayaor 192.168?02:29
tomarayaOh. Right.02:29
intradeso you know the command i have to do in gnome?02:29
nicholsci called the computer user services people at my school and they dont support linux, but they confirmed i was getting a valid ip02:29
nicholsci've tried pinging it from another computer02:29
nicholscbut it doesn't work02:29
nicholscis there something i need to do to enable the interface?02:29
thoreauputicintrade: run pppconfig to set up your account (in aterminal) then use pon to connect, poff to disconnect02:30
mBobnicholsc - thats probably your lan card, reboot with your lancard disabled, then run ifconfig and see if you have an ip address02:30
mBob(disable lan card in bios)02:30
intradeok tahnks i tried wvdialconf  create02:30
intradedidnt work02:30
thoreauputicintrade: check thta you are in the dip and dialout groups by typing `groups`02:30
intradei try  what you sayd02:30
nicholscits not my lan card02:30
nicholsci checked network tools02:30
thoreauputicpppconfig is better02:30
nicholsci'm getting two different IP addresses02:30
nicholscone for the lan card02:31
nicholscone for the wireless02:31
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danielbellare there any channels on freenode devoted to wireless networking02:31
thoreauputicintrade: you need to run pppconfig in a root terminal, by the way02:31
intradeok how i get root02:31
mBobintrade - sudo02:32
danielbellk.. that was easy to find02:32
intradewhats the password for live cd02:32
mBobnicholsc - no idea, sorry02:32
thoreauputicintrade  do sudo -s or sudo su02:32
intradeok02:32
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Chipzzthoreauputic: you still need to enter the password for the user I think?02:32
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thoreauputicChipzz: he's on the live CD02:33
intradek thanks i try again later02:33
Chipzzthoreauputic: yes but doesn't the live cd run as a user too?02:33
thoreauputicChipzz: don't think there's a default password on the live CD02:33
thoreauputicChipzz: hmm - you may be right - on knoppix what I suggested works02:33
jdububuntu:ubuntu02:34
intradeknoppix is no good get kanotix02:34
tomarayaIs ubuntuguide.org down right now?02:34
tomarayaI can't get there for some reason.02:34
intradeeven knopper is lurking in kanotix lol02:34
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thoreauputicintrade: heh - I started using knoppix ages ago ( I know kanotix is good )02:35
intradesu gets u root on knoppix02:35
jdubthe username and password on the livecd is ubuntu:ubuntu02:35
jdubso using sudo, type ubuntu02:35
intradei like 3.4 knoppix for partittioning older machines02:35
thoreauputicjdub: thanks :)02:36
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clawsgood evening02:36
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intradeanyone got ubuntu on a mc going?02:36
tomarayaHow do I login as root? I know that's answered at ubuntuguide but it seems to be down.02:36
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thoreauputicjdub: BTW has the default user been added to the dip group on hoary? I had to do it manually on warty to get dialup working...02:37
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thoreauputicjdub: a lot of people seemed to have major problems getting dialup working on warty02:37
jdubthoreauputic: hrm, not sure - my user is quite old :)02:37
jdubot02:37
jdubit's in dialout02:37
clawssoooooo  how do I remove eg. emacs without removing ubuntu-desktop (depen) ?02:37
jdubclaws: you can't02:38
VernCHas anyone else had troubles getting the kernel image to install when installing hoary?02:38
jdubclaws: but u-d is only important for upgrades02:38
clawssure I can, there must be a way02:38
thoreauputicjdub: pppconfig insuists on having the user in "dip" as well02:38
jdubthoreauputic: check bz02:38
thoreauputicjdub: OK02:38
clawsisnt there a way to disregard dependencies?02:39
thoreauputicclaws: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package02:39
Viper12tomaraya......first off, in ubuntu, you don't need to log in as root most of the time.....just prefix a command with 'sudo'.02:39
thoreauputicclaws: removing it won't break anything02:39
clawsokay so  eg.  what about alsa ? then it wants to remove 'gdm'02:40
thoreauputicclaws: umm - you want to remove alsa?02:41
clawsyeah - well its the pricipal02:41
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thoreauputic?02:41
clawsany package - i have no need for several packages but can't remove them because of some obscure dependencie02:41
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thoreauputicclaws: the deps are there for a reason, you know :/02:42
Nigelenkianyone here use xen02:42
clawshow does GDM depend on alsa?02:42
Nigelenkithat can help me make it work later02:42
Nigelenkiclaws:  it makes noise02:42
tomarayaViper: No, I'm aware of that. I wanted to change menu.lst, and I couldn't figure out how to do it with the GUI portion of Ubuntu and I don't know how to use any text editors in bash to sudo text editor it.02:43
thoreauputicclaws: I assume there are sound functions associated with gdm - don't know02:43
Viper12just open a terminal and type sudo gedit "filename goes here"02:43
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Nigelenkitomaraya:  learn to use vim02:43
Nigelenki:)02:43
clawsso the dependencies qork in quite a fascist way?02:43
Kokeysudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst02:43
thoreauputicclaws: if you need this degree of control, a custom install or debian sarge would suit better02:43
tomarayaNigelenk: I'll check it out.02:43
Viper12it will ask for a password, and you'll be in a notepad like editor. :)02:43
Nigelenkitomaraya:  lol ;)02:43
tomarayaKokey: Thanks.02:43
Kokeyde nada02:44
thoreauputicclaws: Godwin's Law is about to be invoked I dear...02:44
thoreauputic*fear02:44
clawsyeah - I usually run Slackware so i guess im spoiled02:44
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clawsdon't know that law02:44
thoreauputicclaws: google it ;)02:44
Viper12lol02:44
clawsim allready on that :P02:44
frogberthey can anyone help me with my ubuntu install?02:44
clawsHow to post about Nazis and get away with it - the Godwin's Law FAQ  - hows that for a google hit02:45
EdgeDo anyone know were i can find /schemas/apps/panel/objects/menu_path02:45
thoreauputicclaws: yup02:45
Edgeif i use find schemas he says that there is nit such a dir or file02:45
Viper12lmao thoreau.02:46
frogbertanyone know how to get hot pluggable ide working?02:46
thoreauputicclaws: you mentioned fascism, so - almost about to invoke Godwin ;)02:46
tomarayaKokey: That worked great. Awesome.02:46
clawshah i get it02:47
clawsgood law - makes sense now that i think back02:47
Kokeytomaraya, your welcome! ;)02:47
clawsyou nailed me :P  -- well im off to try a new kernal on for size - thx for the help02:48
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johnnybezakwhat p2p do you guys use?02:49
Viper12azureus over here (bittorrent)02:49
thoreauputicjohnnybezak: lftp ;-)02:49
EdgeDo anyone know were i can find /schemas/apps/panel/objects/menu_path, if i use find schemas he says that there is nit such a dir or file02:49
frogbertEdge, is in your gconf editor02:50
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frogbertclick on applications, system tools, configuration editor02:50
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Edgeah, so :$. But isn't it a directory?02:52
fr500hello, how can i delete apt cache it's screwed somehow and it wont let me update02:53
intradedont know apt-get -f?02:54
fr500uh02:54
fr500ok02:54
intradenot sure i use kanotix02:54
fr500doesnt work02:54
intradeits also debian02:54
intradeapt-get help02:55
intradetry taht02:55
Kokeythe error?02:55
tomarayaSorry for the plethora of newb questions, but I was over at the Ubuntu Forums and I saw a thread on gaming and different games you can install. I see this one called 'Neverball' which can be downloaded at http://icculus.org/neverball/. I guess I'd want to get the 'debian packages.' So I download this 'neverball_1.4.0-1_i386.deb' .. no idea what I need to do at this point to install it.02:56
fr500let me see02:56
_jon_fr500: you can try dpkg --purge apt-cache02:56
_jon_or apt-get install --reinstall apt-utils02:57
_jon_the latter is the better choice though02:57
thoreauputictomaraya: sudo dpkg -i <packagetoinstall>02:57
karimhi02:57
tomarayathoreauputic: Thanks!02:57
karimdoes the gaim verson of the last hoary update works ?02:57
_jon_neverball is great02:57
thoreauputictomaraya: but it will probably scream about dependencies unless you're lucky02:57
karimon debian sid it was segfaulting02:57
fr500ok jon thanks02:57
tomarayaIf I extract it on the desktop, is the directory icon always going to be there?02:57
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tomarayaLike, will it extract right to /Desktop?02:58
tomarayaThus always being visible on the Desktop?02:58
thoreauputictomaraya: ;/ make a downloads directory or something - dealing with extraction on the desktop is a pain IMO02:59
fr500i get this: W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)02:59
fr500ooops too long, sorry02:59
tomarayathoreauputic: Will do that right now.02:59
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tomarayamkdir, right?02:59
tomarayaI'll try it.02:59
thoreauputictomaraya: when you install a deb it puts the files where they are meant to go02:59
tomarayaOh, cool.03:00
thoreauputictomaraya: mkdir downloads03:00
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tomarayaWhat is the linux equivalent to /windows/program_files03:00
thoreauputicor whatever you prefer to call it03:00
tomarayaI'm assuming that's where it would extract to03:00
thoreauputicthere isn't an exact equivalent03:00
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tomarayaas far as program extraction goes03:00
Kokeyfr500, comment this line: # deb cdrom: in /etc/apt/sources.list03:00
thoreauputicmost binaries go to /usr/bin03:00
tomarayaI see.03:01
Kokeythen apt-get update03:01
thoreauputicmost config goes to /etc03:01
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fr500ok03:01
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thoreauputictomaraya: personal config often makes a file ~/.programname03:01
tomarayado I always use dpkg -i for all .deb files?03:01
thoreauputic(hidden file)03:01
intradewell i do tolstoy-03:01
tomarayaI see. Hidden files are displayed with ls -a aren't they?03:01
thoreauputictomaraya: no - use the package manager!03:02
intradetomaraya:03:02
LevanderI thought that the eclipse IDE was supposed to be in universe?  Do I just remember wrong?  Just looked couldn't find it.  Is there another name for it I can search for?03:02
thoreauputictomaraya: yes03:02
intradeif you have the file in home03:02
intradealways use root terminal more save then paket manager03:02
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tomarayaOk, sorry for the next silly question, but what is the package manager and why am I using dpkg -i for the Neverball .deb file?03:02
intradedpkg -i paket name03:02
fr500i think that did it, thanks a lot03:02
Kokeyyour welcome03:03
thoreauputicintrade: we've already discussed this, but thanks03:03
_jon_tomaraya: dpkg -i is a command to install the specified package03:03
Adrenalhacking the pentagon just got a whole lot easier03:03
KokeyAdios Raza!03:03
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thoreauputictomaraya:  http://ubuntuguide.org03:03
tomarayathoreauputic: It's down right now.03:03
tomarayaOr it isn't coming up for me for some reason ...03:04
Adrenalman, new firefox is a beast03:04
fr500mirror http://desktopos.com/ubuntu-starter-guide/03:04
intradetry opera03:04
fr500what new firefox?03:04
thoreauputictomaraya: read the links in the /topic - search for "synaptic package manager" on ubuntulinux.org03:04
Adrenalnah,  i'd miss the extensions03:04
Adrenal1.0103:04
tomarayathoreauputic: Oh, synaptic. Gotcha.03:04
thoreauputictomaraya: there's a howto03:04
Adrenaljust a bunch of security fixes03:04
Adrenalbut still, faster response time03:05
Adrenalopera does load a bit faster though i'll admit03:05
intradeok no one  got ubuntu on a macintosh here?03:05
karimintrade, me03:05
tomarayaOk, with Synpatic, now that i've downloaded the .DEB file,.. wait a minute. I see what i'm not getting here. As I've downloaded the file, I need to use dpkg -i .. but I could have used the package manager to find it on one of the repositories much easier. Is that right?03:05
thoreauputicintrade: yes -iBook G403:05
_jon_bingo03:05
intradeit whipes osx Karim?03:05
intradeno dualbbot?03:06
karimintrade, dualboot03:06
thoreauputicintrade: I have dual boot and mol (mac-on-linux)03:06
karimI installed linux only03:06
karimat first03:06
tomarayathoreauputic: Sorry, when you said 'package manager' I was thinking something other than Synaptic, some sort of GUI based utility for .DEB packages or something. I didn't understand.03:06
tomarayathoreauputic: I do now though.03:06
karimthen I installed OS X few months later to test it03:06
intradeok on cd cover it says it erses osx?03:06
intradeso whats minimum specs to run on mac03:07
karimI didn't installed from cd03:07
thoreauputictomaraya: synaptic is just a pretty front end for apt-get03:07
intradecan i get an old beast mac?03:07
intradeg3 it says on cds03:07
karimkarim, you can install on the oldest macs03:07
tomarayathoreauputic: Right, so I've read.03:07
karimintrade, well you can install on pmac, I think03:07
karimat least debian03:07
karimI have a b&w G303:07
karimI installed debian on it, then upgraded to ubuntu03:08
intradepower mac? pmac?03:08
karimyes03:08
karimold world macs03:08
intradeok thanks03:08
bojohanneverball is in "universe", afaics03:08
thoreauputictomaraya: once your sources are set up, installing stuff becomes trivially simple03:08
intradenever had a mac id buy one to mess with ubuntu lol03:08
karimintrade, on this system I can't play a divx on OS X, but on ubuntu it's ok03:08
thoreauputictomaraya: assuming the thing you want is in the repositories03:08
karimOS X is a ressource hog03:08
intradeok03:09
karimintrade, whazt do you want to buy ?03:09
intradecheap as possibile lol03:09
intradethey sell old macs for 10 bux here03:09
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intradefound one Powermac 7200/75 + monitor + Zip 100 + printer!!!03:10
intradeany good for messing with?03:11
intrademac os 7.5.3 installed03:11
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intradei just want a mac so i can try ubuntu for mac lol03:12
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thoreauputicintrade: you need at least 128MB for a full Ubuntu install (256 is better)03:12
intradeok03:12
intrademac have different ram huh?03:12
thoreauputic768 is even better ;-)03:12
intradecant use pc rams03:12
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thoreauputicintrade: you'd need to check what kind03:13
intradeok03:13
bzbbI seem to have found a hoary bug03:13
thoreauputicintrade: some are just standard03:13
intradedo mac have standard vga monitor plugs?03:13
thoreauputicbzbb: how surprising ;-)03:13
thoreauputicintrade: #mac03:13
tomarayaHmm. I installed Neverball.. no sound though. :(03:14
tomarayaLooks like Super Monkey Ball.03:14
_jon_intrade: yes but on ibooks and powerbooks, you might need an adapter03:14
bzbbthoreauputic, well, my kern.log.0 syslog.0 and messages.0 files are each 9 gigs03:14
cg0defdoes anyone know what the name of this program in apt is?03:14
cg0defhttp://gsb.sourceforge.net/screenies/xfmime.png03:14
intradeok jon thanks all03:14
thoreauputicbzbb: ouch03:14
bzbbthoreauputic, yeah, it filled my system drive and locked everything up03:15
tomarayaOne question though, is there a quick way to make a link to the game? (Instead of running it from the shell?) Or do I have to find what directory it's in, and then point to that dir and then find the PNG file if I want to use the icon?03:15
bzbbcan I just rm the log files?03:15
tomarayaAlso, is it safe to assume that as sound works everywhere else that Neverball just doesn't support my soundcard?03:16
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thoreauputictomaraya: just type neverball in a terminal I'd say03:16
thoreauputictomaraya: if it's in your PATH it should pop up03:16
tomarayathoreauputic: Right, I understand that.03:17
thoreauputictomaraya: to see where it lives, type `which neverball`03:17
alumi1bzbb: dont delete the logs or something will go wrong03:17
tomarayaSo what you're saying is that in order to make a link I do have the find out where it is, and in order to use the icon that came with it, I have to find the PNG file that came with it, correct?03:17
thoreauputictomaraya: make a launcher with the command in it (right click desktop >new launcher or similar)03:18
bzbbalumi1, ok, so how do I deal with log files that fill my harddrive?03:18
alumi1bzbb: use logrotate03:18
tomarayaNo, I understand that. What I was asking is there a quick and dirty way to do it, or do I have to point specifically to the games path and specific the the PNG file for the icon.03:18
tomarayaWhen making a link on the desktop.03:18
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thoreauputictomaraya: you might find there's an icon in the icon selection (click the empty icon when you make a launcher)03:18
alumi1bzbb: i once deleted the logs and then some daemons won't start03:19
tomaraya*nod* There isn't, I had to go specifically to another directory with the PNG file for the game.03:19
thoreauputictomaraya: usually a one word command suffices03:19
tomarayaGotcha, as it's in the path.03:19
thoreauputictomaraya: right03:19
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alumi1bzbb: with logrotate you can set the limits to rotate and compress the log files03:19
nomasteryodashadeofgrey, whazup?03:20
tomarayathoreauputic, did you see my question about the sound? What do you think? Is it a problem with my soundcard, or just that that game doesn't support it?03:20
shadeofgreynom:  nothing much man how are ytou?03:20
nomasteryodanm03:20
Edgehe i've seen that firefox 1.01 is out (hope that? not to old news). It would be great if there comes a package for ubuntu03:20
thoreauputictomaraya: I don't know, sorry - if sound is working for other apps, then it's probably a configuration issue03:20
nomasteryodagettting ready for our LUG meeting tomorrow03:20
nomasteryoda3 hours03:20
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thoreauputictomaraya: or you may be missing a library or something03:21
nomasteryodaAlan Hicks of slackware is gonna talk on security03:21
tomarayathoreauputic, I see, I'll check it out... might have to be something i put in the command line or something.03:21
tomarayathoreauputic: I used synaptic, it didn't say anything.03:21
shadeofgreyguys i need help getting totem to play DVD's.  I have a really nice sony DVD drive in my comp but it wont  play any of my DVD's03:21
thoreauputictomaraya: try typing `man neverball` or `neverball -help`03:22
bzbblogrotate segfaults03:22
thoreauputictomaraya: might give some clues03:22
shadeofgreyit says that it couldnt open the source for reading03:22
tomarayaI'll do that, thanks. I didn't no that man worked with apps as well.03:22
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shadeofgreydoes that mean the drive isnt mounted?03:22
tomarayaknow, not no :p little hungover today03:22
bzbbalumil, they already have been rotated03:22
thoreauputictomaraya: if there isn't a man page, in debian it's automatically a bug03:22
alumikbzbb: maybe there is an option to force te rotation03:23
thoreauputictomaraya: since Ubuntu is Debian based, there will always be some documentation03:23
thoreauputicsomewhere! *g*03:24
alumiklogrotate -f /var/log/...03:24
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bzbbalumik, I just deleted and replaced them with empty files03:25
bzbbbecause they were already rotated03:25
bzbbnow I have free disk space03:25
alumikcool03:25
bzbbits nice03:25
alumikwatch for the permissions03:25
alumikapply the same of the old files03:25
shadeofgreyokay guys -- i really need help now.  i thought that maybe my DVD drive wasnt mounted so i put the dvd in the drive and hit the 'mount DVD drive' button in my panel and it says :03:26
bzbbmy 40 gig drive went from 100% to 28% full03:26
alumikbzbb: apt-get clean also helps03:26
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bzbbnow I just have to keep an eye on logfile size03:27
alumikbzbb: i'd check the logrotate settings, these sizes aren't normal03:28
tomarayathoreauputic: Ah, man wasn't very enlightening. Haven't tried help yet. This is all man gave me though.03:28
tomarayaOPTIONS03:28
tomaraya       The following command-line options are available:03:28
tomaraya       [<datadir>] 03:28
tomaraya              Run the game with a different data directory03:28
shadeofgreyhow do i correct this error:03:28
alumik-rw-r-----   1 root  adm  315K 2005-02-24 13:28 kern.log.003:28
shadeofgreyThere were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "dvd://", you might need to install the corresponding plugins03:28
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alumikshadeofgrey: dvds with css aren't supported, but you can found the packages on the marillat repository03:29
Yomega_Killerwhere ?03:30
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tomarayaCan anyone recommend a smaller'ish game I should install?03:30
tomarayaLike no more than 50 megs.03:30
thoreauputictomaraya: well, frozen-bubble is fun03:30
bzbbalumik, those files have no logrotate settings03:30
bzbbbut I wonder, because they were in filename.0 not filename03:30
thoreauputictomaraya: and it has sound so.. if that works you can narrow your problem down03:31
tomarayaInstalling right now.03:31
nicholscquick question: how do i access network resources (samba or appletalk) in Ubuntu?03:31
tomarayaMan, synpatic sure makes installation easier.03:31
nicholscdo i use mount?03:31
thoreauputictomaraya: it's kind of addictive, but silly ;-)03:31
alumiki prefer apt-get :)03:31
tomarayathoreauputic: I'm all about addicting and silly.03:31
tomarayaaddictive even.03:32
thoreauputicalumik: so do I :)03:32
thoreauputictomaraya: heh03:32
Yomega_Killerfrozen bubble doesn't work03:32
thoreauputicYomega_Killer: ? works here03:32
tomarayaHmm.. I'm using xchat.. when I autocomplete names it puts a comma in front of it if it's the beginning of the sentence03:32
Yomega_Killerit needs additionnal packs (RPM)03:32
thoreauputictomaraya: you can change that in settings03:33
thoreauputicYomega_Killer: no it doesn't - at least not on warty03:33
alumikapt-get install package && play "hampserdance.ogg"03:33
thoreauputicYomega_Killer: do you have universe enabled?03:33
Yomega_Killerno03:34
Yomega_Killershould i activate it ?03:34
Yomega_Killeroops03:34
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thoreauputicYomega_Killer: yes - frozen-bubble is in universe03:34
Yomega_KillerOK then I'll try03:35
Yomega_Killerthx03:35
tomarayathoreauputic: Weird, started never ball again and the sound works fine now :p03:35
nicholscwhat type is a mac file share when i use mount?03:35
thoreauputicYomega_Killer: repos under settings in synaptic03:35
tomarayaAbout to check out frozen-bubble03:35
_jon_nicholsc: afs?03:35
nomasteryodatomaraya, cool03:35
nomasteryodafb is way cool game03:35
thoreauputictomaraya: ah - a mystery ;)03:35
Yomega_KillerOK03:35
nicholscit doesn't list afs as a type03:35
tomarayaA mystery I can live with.03:35
nicholscit lists adfs and affs03:35
tomarayanomasteryoda: yeah works for me03:35
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tomarayaNo complaints here03:35
_jon_hmm03:36
raydogghow do i setup a new video card in ubuntu ?03:36
_jon_raydogg: which manufaturer03:36
raydoggati03:36
_jon_www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto03:36
_jon_ati is on there03:37
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tomarayaOh I like this game.. what is this a clone of.. Taito game.. with Bubble Bobble characters03:37
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_jon_thoreauputic: the cards are nice, but the drivers are not03:37
foznot my dvd playback with totem-gstreamer is wretched and jerky, any suggestions for a fix?03:37
_jon_not streaming dvds03:37
raydoggThanks jon03:38
_jon_np raydogg03:38
thoreauputic_jon_: yeah, it's just that any time anyone comes in and mentions ati, we know it will be a struggle...03:38
_jon_i managed to get my radeon to work on debian a few months ago03:38
tomarayaI can't remember the name.. hmm. Puzzle Bobble or something like that.03:39
_jon_but since then i've moved on and have a dual display with an nvidia card now03:39
thoreauputic_jon_: OTOH, my ati card works fine in the ppc version of Ubuntu03:39
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thoreauputicbut it isn't balazingly fast (I'm not a gamer so I don't care)03:39
_jon_thoreauputic: airport express working under ubuntu yet?03:39
thoreauputic_jon_: not as far as I know03:40
Yomegaback03:40
_jon_that's what's keeping me from trying the ppc version03:40
thoreauputic_jon_: I think it will be a while - broadcom are unco-operative I believe03:40
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bphey03:41
_jon_i'm getting used to OS X though, so i'm not complaining03:41
nicholscso if i want to mount a directory from a system 134.10.20.2203:41
nicholscwhat's the command03:41
bpcan i get ubuntu help in here?03:41
nicholscmount 134.10.20.22:/dir /dirtomount ?03:41
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Yomegayes03:41
_jon_bp: nope you're not allowed03:41
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bplol03:41
shadeofgreyokay guyts how do i fix this problem:03:42
thoreauputic_jon_: OS-X is OK I guess - but I prefer the freedom of linux ( a lot of stuff is inaccessible under OS-X)03:42
shadeofgreyW: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90703:42
_jon_bp: just ask and if somebody can help, they will03:42
YomegaOSX powooo03:42
YomegaWin powoooo03:42
YomegaLinux Mega powoooo03:42
_jon_thoreauputic: agreed03:42
Yomegalol03:42
bpthanx03:43
shadeofgreythorau:  can i ask you to please take a look at my sources.list file and tell me what i did wrong?  i need to install packages from somewhere to get DVD playback to work on Totem03:43
thoreauputicYomega: so what do you use? DOS ? *g*03:43
bpok, im having usb webcam problems03:43
YomegaGNU/LINUX DEBIAN UBUNTU LOL03:43
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: it may be the marillat sources are out of sync with Ubuntu atm - don't know03:44
Yomegatried Fedora Core2 from red hat -> too many problems03:44
bpwell...usb problems. usbview says that it cant access /proc/bus/usb.devices03:44
bpusb/devices*03:44
shadeofgreythoreauputic:  would you mind taking a look at my sources.list file if i paste it to flood?  the address works okay but gives errors about a key03:44
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thoreauputicI'll look - no guarantee I'll know :)03:45
_jon_shadeofgrey: you might need to install debiankeys03:45
nicholsci get connection refused when i try03:45
bpis ubs part of the kernel, or do i have to enable it?03:45
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: joined #flood now03:45
nicholscsudo mount 134.10.20.22: /zeus03:45
shadeofgreyokay hang onb03:45
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nomasteryodashadeofgrey, there you go03:46
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bphas anyone had any success getting USB devices to work under ubuntu?03:49
_jon_bp: my usb printer works fine03:49
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tomarayathoreauputic: I'm having some sort of sound card issues here.. it's like games are working with sound intermitantly. STrange.03:49
tomarayaNot a huge issue just kind of frustrating.03:49
_jon_tomaraya: alsa?03:50
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_jon_not that i can help, i'm just curious03:50
bpjon: ok,  did it just work `out of the box` or did you have to change any configs to get USB working?03:50
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_jon_out of the box :)03:50
tuxdiscipleI've discovered that few adventures of mine are as unenjoyable as trying to get Ubuntu functional as a client in a Windows AD w/ Samba Servers03:50
bpgrrr :P lol03:51
tomaraya_jon_: I'm sorry, what's alsa?03:51
Yomegasound drv03:51
Yomegalike oss03:51
tomarayaYeah. Sorry, I'm a total friggin newb.03:51
tomarayaHow do I check my sound driver?03:51
Yomegamore powerful, less stable03:51
_jon_tomaraya: there are a couple, oss alsa esd03:51
Yomegain gnomeconf03:51
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tomarayagnomeconf isn't a command.. where do I find it?03:52
nomasteryodatuxdisciple, suse is very good for that03:52
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tomarayaIt looks like alsa is installed in Synaptic, however how do I get to gnomeconf so I can see what sound driver is currently being used?03:53
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michelhello03:54
DonLHi michel03:55
michelHi Don03:55
michelfirst time here03:55
DonLWelcome. I just came in. Pretty quiet tonight so far03:55
michelhave you been with ubuntu for a long time ?03:56
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tomarayaWeird, if I start the game in the bash it works fine, but if I start it in gnome no sound03:56
DonLThree or four months I guess03:56
micheli have been with Fedora for a while and now i have change03:57
DonLThat was the last distro I used too.03:57
DonLBefore that it was Mandrake03:57
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micheli'm not familiar with Ubuntu03:58
micheltell me for playing music is it as difficult as Fedora ?03:58
tomaraya_jon_, how do I find out what sound driver I'm using?03:58
DonLI never had any luck with Debian, although I like it03:58
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thoreauputictomaraya: some gnome wrapper script is borked i guess03:59
OmniColosany ibook airport savvy folks out there?03:59
jakejarvisanyone installed novell's hula on ubuntu?03:59
thoreauputictomaraya: sounds like a gnome issue - not a sound problem03:59
_jon_tomaraya: i don't remember where to look off the top of my head, and my desktop is 5 hours away so i can't really look right now03:59
thoreauputicas such03:59
OmniColosI'm trying to get EAP-TTLS on a ibook with airport (not extreme)03:59
_jon_OmniColos: on which OS?03:59
tomaraya_jon_ *nod*04:00
DonLSorry, michel, were you asking about music?04:00
_jon_you can try looking at the sound part of the gnome control center04:00
tomarayaDoes anyone know how I would find out what sound driver I am currently using?04:00
michelyes!!04:00
tomarayaHow do I access the gnome control center?04:01
thoreauputictomaraya:  lsmod | grep snd04:01
michelis it that difficult with Ubuntu04:01
DonLmichel, that's one thing I've never had problems with. I use a soundblaster live04:01
DonL...and it seems to work flawlessly with any linux I've had04:01
_jon_gnome control center is in the system menu on gnome 2.804:02
thoreauputictomaraya: gnome-control-center , funnily enough ;)04:02
michelyes but with Fedora playing some files were quite hard04:02
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DonLmichel, I can't remember all the reasons, but I got fed up with fedora04:03
thoreauputictomaraya: to see a bunch of gnome- commands,  type gnome- <tab> <tab>04:03
thoreauputicwith the hyphen04:03
DonLI think it's because I like apt-get so much04:03
error_29DonL, hello.  Your comment inspires me to put my old soundblaster live back in my main box.04:03
error_29  Unfortunately, ubuntu and other Debian distros, don't work with my SB Audigy USB2 card.04:03
michelfor the little that i've seen of Fedora i have found it annoying to search for dependencies04:04
michelexcuse my english Don04:04
DonLerror_29, yes, give it a shot. The onboard sound on my Motherboard was giving me grief, so that's what I did04:04
gpledanyone install bzflag?04:05
DonLmichel, no problem with language. I think personally apt-get is superior to rpm04:05
_jon_i have04:05
error_29DonL:  Cool.  Unfortunately the only other use I have for the Audigy (otherwise fantastic device!) is on my laptop...04:05
error_29which is also using ubuntu and won't like it04:05
tomarayaAh. The control center doesn't seemed to tell me what driver I use, but I'm gonna have to create a launcher for it, it looks useful.04:06
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error_29Unless I can find a driver on the SB site or something04:06
Faustusanybody running a 486?04:06
DonLerror_29, can't hurt to try04:06
thoreauputictomaraya: did you try  lsmod | grep snd ?04:06
tomarayaNo, I didn't. I will now. Are those two different commands, or do I put in the |?04:07
error_29yes, DonL.  I admit to being lazy when it comes to configuing soundcards...04:07
thoreauputicFaustus: nah - I use patch cords and vacuum tubes ;)04:07
DonLFaustus, I tried to run this on a 48604:07
gpled_jon_: how did you install it?04:07
michelthanks Don for the help04:07
error_29cause I always find them a complete pain in the ass!!!04:07
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DonLNp.04:07
_jon_gpled: apt-get install bzflag04:07
michelbye04:07
DonLBye, michel04:07
gpled_jon_: i get apt-get install bzflag04:08
gpledwoops04:08
gpledE: Couldn't find package bzflag04:08
_jon_apt-cache search bzflag04:08
thoreauputicgpled: enable universe04:08
gpledthoreauputic: how do i do that?04:09
DonLgpled, do you use synaptic?04:09
error_29(you know, I love the sound of that command. "Enable Universe!" :)04:09
thoreauputicgpled: under settings in synaptic, repositories04:09
gpledDonL: I can04:09
DonLthoreauputic, snap04:09
thoreauputicI think - I'm in fluxbox and I'd need to look...04:10
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server16what is the password that ubuntu sets for root on a default installation?04:10
tomarayathoreauputic: No, I didn't. I will now. Are those two different commands, or do I put in the |?04:10
thoreauputicput in the |04:10
MoonUnitAlphadoes anyone know how i can get my ipod to not be read only?04:10
thoreauputicit pipes the output to grep04:10
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thoreauputictomaraya: grep looks for strings (in this case, "snd")04:11
tomarayathoreauputic: snd                    50660  11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device04:11
StoffBox-Steveohh, a quick sleps on the chair is not the best ...04:11
tomarayaDoesn't really tell me anything, does it?04:11
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rempresentwhat is a good program that is like dreamweaver for liux04:12
rempresentlinux04:12
thoreauputictomaraya: your driver is snd_intel8x004:12
calcrempresent: nvu04:12
joeblow1234rempresent: u could also try quanta04:12
calchttp://www.nvu.com/04:12
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rempresentthanks04:12
thoreauputictomaraya: at least, that's the important one04:12
gpledthoreauputic: think i have it.  reloading now.  thanks04:12
thoreauputicgpled: no worries ;)04:13
tomarayathoreauputic: Gotcha. How would I try the one that was suggested earlier?04:13
thoreauputictomaraya: modprobe <drivername>04:13
thoreauputictomaraya: but it doesn't sound like your problem is driver related - i think it's a gnome gotcha04:14
tomarayaRight.04:14
tomarayaNo, that makes sense.04:14
thoreauputicfrom what you said04:14
tomaraya*nod*04:14
tomarayaTotally.04:14
tomarayaSound works fine if I run from bash.04:14
thoreauputicexactly04:14
nomasteryodai got amd... 3000+04:14
nomasteryodanice04:14
gpledthoreauputic: wa hoo, just got a lot more files i can install :)04:14
thoreauputicgpled: yeah - thousands of 'em :)04:15
tomarayaHmm. That's kind of annoying. Oh well, not a huge deal, don't play a lot of games.04:15
tomarayaWeird thing is like video players and whatnot seem to be playing fine.04:15
thoreauputictomaraya: try running the command by typing alt-F2 and entering it - see if that works04:15
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server16I just installed ubuntu, itr never prompted for a root password, I've tried some of the obvious ones but they did not work, is there a default that it sets for root?04:16
MoonUnitAlphai'm new to linux and i want to be able to use my ipod, can anyone help?04:16
thoreauputicserver16: no04:16
thoreauputicserver16: use sudo or sudo -s with your user password04:16
_jon_server16: by default there is no root password04:16
gpledserver16: do sudo    and put in your user passwd04:16
server16alrighty, thx04:16
DonLI thought it was annoying at first, but I'm learning to like sudo04:17
gpledserver16: sudo apt-get install bzflag04:17
nomasteryodaDonL, i like opening a "root" terminal and doing commands from there04:17
gpledserver16: and it will ask you for a passwrd04:17
gpledpasswd04:17
thoreauputicDonL: if you need a root shell for a while, sudo -s is just as easy04:17
error_29thoreauputic, may i interrupt the flow here to throw in some effusive praise for04:17
error_29the way you help people on this channel04:17
nomasteryodayup04:17
DonLI see a root terminal in the Applications drop-down04:18
thoreauputicerror_29: thank you, appreciated :)04:18
gpledoff to test bzflag :)04:18
error_29I'm learning so  much just whatching you work04:18
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_jon_here here, thoreauputic is quite helpful04:18
nomasteryodaditto, man04:18
error_29(not just about computers, learning about how to help people with tech)04:18
thoreauputicit's just my way of paying for my free CDs ;-)04:18
nomasteryodaLOL04:18
_jon_heh04:18
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error_29good karma gonna get yet thoreauputic !04:19
error_29oops "get you"04:19
tomarayathoreauputic: Nope, ALT+F2 didn't do anything. Thanks for the suggestion though, been making 'notes' in a text file.04:19
DonLI feel the same way, thoreauputic . All these free cds. What can I help with?04:19
error_29"apt-get thoreauputic"04:19
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tomarayaI keep pressing Windows Key + D to get to the desktop, gotta learn to stop doing that hehe04:19
thoreauputicerror_29: "unable to authenticate: maybe try --fix-missing?"04:20
DonLIs that what those windows keys were for? Never did figure that out04:20
thoreauputicerror_29: ;-)04:20
error_29If it ain't missing, thoreauputic , don't fix it.04:20
_jon_could always map the windows key to ctrl or something useful04:21
thoreauputichehe04:21
error_29especially if you're talking about a house pet04:21
tomaraya_jon_ Yeah, I'll have to figure out how to remap04:21
_jon_check in gnome-control-center04:22
_jon_:)04:22
tomarayaWhat directory is the floppy? (I'm trying to open a document I have in my floppy drive but I'm not sure how to browse to it)04:23
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tomaraya_jon_, thanks!04:23
_jon_tomaraya: you have to mount it04:24
DonLtomaraya, it's in "media"04:24
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neonlightningcan someone send me a pm with all the stuff i should add too source.list04:25
fr500neonlightning http://desktopos.com/ubuntu-starter-guide/04:26
tomarayaI get this when I try to access the floppy (I was just gonna copy the file over) Unable to mount the selected volume.mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified.. Guess I"ll have to go back to Windows to print that.04:26
thoreauputictomaraya: try mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt04:27
DonLI had some major problems with the floppy at one time. It works well now, but it had something to do with the formatting of the disks.04:27
thoreauputictomaraya: then cd mount04:27
thoreauputicand nautilus .04:27
thoreauputicthat's a dot04:27
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tomarayathoreauputic: Yeah, as soon as I typed that in it showed me all my docs on my floppy, nice.04:29
tomarayaThanks again!04:29
thoreauputictomaraya: :) glad it worked04:29
tomarayacd mount didn't do anything though.04:29
thoreauputictomaraya: ah - it just did it automagically04:30
tomarayahaha04:30
DonLthoreauputic, do you know how to make the change so you can point and click and have the same thing happen everytime?04:30
tomarayaYeah04:30
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thoreauputictomaraya: it does that for stuff that's in fstab04:30
DonL(I'm a point and click kind of guy)04:30
thoreauputicDonL: you go to computer > places in nautilus04:30
thoreauputicand click the icon04:31
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DonLThat's the way it works for me now, but it seems to me I had to make some changes for that to happen04:31
thoreauputicor you add an applet for mounting removable media on the panel - right click, add the one  you want04:31
tomarayathoreauputic: So now that mount is just going to stay in computer > disks?04:31
StoffBox-SteveGuys, when i installed a tools (SIM) thats normaly for KDE under Gome, what libs i needed or what changes i have to make to geht control oder the fontsize and Lang ?04:32
DonLThe vfat format wasn't recognized for some reason04:32
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thoreauputictomaraya: don't quite follow you but, yeah, if it's mounted it should stay there until you unmount it04:32
StoffBox-SteveGood moring thoreauputic :)04:32
thoreauputictomaraya: which is a good idea after you use a floppy04:32
thoreauputicmorning, StoffBox-Steve04:33
thoreauputictomaraya: if you remove a floppy without unmounting it can mess it up04:33
linux_galor1I hardly ever use floppies anymore04:34
DonLSome computers don't even offer floppies04:34
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tomarayathoreauputic: Oh really?04:34
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nomasteryodais there a way to change the cursors in ubuntu?04:35
linux_galor1yeah I noticed....but you will also notice the same systems have cd-rw04:35
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nomasteryodaeasily?04:35
thoreauputictomaraya: yeah, but ubutu uses automount so - it may not be an issue - i haven't checked that04:35
tomarayaSo I have to unmount first.04:35
DonLlinux_galor1, definitely04:35
error_29Folks, MoonUnitAlpha had a question earlier about mounting an ipod as not read-only, does that figure into these questions on mounting at all?04:35
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tomarayaWell, looks straight forward enough, just right click and unmount.04:35
StoffBox-Stevethoreauputic, do you know what i needed to get control ober Fontsize and Lang. when i installed a Tool thats normaly for KDE linke SIM ( simple instant messeger ), i googeld but find nothink usefull :(04:36
thoreauputictomaraya: well, I would - to avoid all chance of file corruption04:36
tomarayaGotcha.04:36
regeyaot: I see we have a slayer fan here. :-)04:36
linux_galor1anyone created a multi sessions CD icon were you can drop files on it...04:36
johnnybezakany of you guys used daap?04:36
tomarayaregeya \../04:36
regeyahehe04:36
tomarayaYou bet, long time fan.04:37
regeyaoh crap.  I forgot I had a Safari subscription. :-/04:37
thoreauputicStoffBox-Steve: I'm not clear on exactly what you are doing - but you might try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales04:37
linux_galor1I personally just burn things in lots but Ive been asked how to make cd-rw icon were you can just drop file on it and it will burn04:37
regeyaguess I'll get billed for another month. :-(04:37
regeyafree money to oreilly from regeya04:37
tomarayaThat's no good.04:37
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linux_galor1I know in ubuntu you can burn cd's by just dropping files on a window but thats not quite the same04:38
intradeuse k3b04:38
regeyaindeed04:38
error_29(well, I tried, MoonUnitAlpha :))04:38
linux_galor1naaw k3b isnt an icon04:38
regeyawhy an icon?04:39
DonLWell I'm off for now. Good night04:39
intradek3b is drop and drag04:39
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linux_galor1and this sint for me I can burn cd's from the command line fine this is just something someone has thrown at me04:39
regeyaI see what you're saying, but I don't see that as the "OMFG THAT RAWKS" type of thing04:39
linux_galor1intrade: yeah drop and drag window04:39
intradeyup04:39
regeyait should be possible to script that sort of thing easily...04:39
linux_galor1intrade: Im trying to get a drop and drag icon multi session cd on the desktop04:40
intradeok04:40
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StoffBox-Stevethe problem is, i installed Sim ( simple instant messenger ), but he must get his Gloabl Config like Font and Lang form a KDE file, and thats bad under gnome; the fontsize is Bigger than Big; :( when i installed KDE and configure it.. Sim look nice in Gnome. so i what to know whats files i needed or change so sim get his Global Settings form Gnome04:40
error_29linux_galor1, this is probably off the wall, but could there to drop files onto a link to the app that would do the same?04:40
linux_galor1intrade: just something that you can do in windows but Im scratching me head on how to do it in Linux04:40
regeyathen again, I'd like to do drag-and-drop multi-session in OS X too, and scripting such a thing might be neat.  darn you linux_galor1 now I'll have to think about it ;-)04:40
error_29sorry, bad typing04:40
intradeskype rules04:41
intradesim is ass04:41
regeyait should be possible to a.) make an iso of the files you drop on an icon and b.) burn a session to disc; must utilize poopatorium first, though.04:41
linux_galor1regeya: someone said I could make a script and the icon runs the script but so far Im not having any luck04:41
intradeok my friends i am out of here back to kanotix04:42
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linux_galor1regeya: its also multi session04:42
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tomarayaOnce I've mounted the floppy drive, how do I open the file in OpenOffice?04:43
linux_galor1regeya: in one case he said he could turn the CD-RW into a hardisk (slow one) and just drop and delete files04:43
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TestDummyDoes Ubuntu have a firewall?04:44
goldfishiptables04:44
goldfishor something04:44
TestDummyHuh?04:44
TestDummyHmm..04:44
linux_galor1TestDummy: yes04:44
error_29TestDummy, you can try something called Firestarter04:44
linux_galor1TestDummy: Linux has a firewall in general built in04:45
TestDummyAnd how would I goabout doing that?04:45
error_29really linux_galor1 ?04:45
TestDummyEr.. too many replies at once >_<04:45
error_29I didn't know that04:45
linux_galor1error_29: talking iptables netfilter still need a shell to define the rules04:45
ciseiTestDummy: sudo apt-get install firestarter04:45
TestDummyAnd from there?04:45
ciseiTestDummy: then start the application and run the wizard.04:46
nomasteryodaguarddog is a good app to configure the firewall04:46
error_29ah hah (googling iptables netfilter.  Cool. Thanks)04:46
TestDummyDoes it show up in a menu or does it have to be called up on a terminal?04:46
fr500what would be a good choice to make a nat router on linux?04:46
TestDummyEr, or whatever04:46
fr500iptables?04:46
ciseiTestDummy: I think that ubuntuguide.org has an entry.04:46
linux_galor1TestDummy: firestarter is a no brainer its a bit like zonelabs04:46
TestDummyAh, alrighty.04:47
linux_galor1fr500: man iptables04:47
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TestDummyI'll try that out then, see if it helps.04:47
error_29TestDummy, anyway, you can easily make a launcher for it or add it to a menu if you like04:47
TestDummyOkay, will do.04:47
TestDummyThanks.04:47
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fr500lol, i mean, what is a better choince to make a nat router, iptables or other program04:47
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linux_galor1fr500: iptables is just that a set of tables that defines how the kernel handles packets04:48
fr500do i need iptables  to make nat? can kernel routing hadle it?04:48
fr500ok04:48
fr500so with kernel i would be able to make it all04:48
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linux_galor1fr500: yes if iptables is there it should work just need to create a shell script with the rules in it ....easier though just to use a front end like firestarter or shorewall or ipcop04:49
thor|coffeefr500: firestarter has a NAT option which is "one click and it's done"04:49
fr500oh cool04:50
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fr500thanks, i'm builiding a Via M1000 htpc+router04:50
fr500+access point04:50
linux_galor1yeah masq/nat no brainer clicky thing in firestarter you dont actually need the firestarter UI once you have created the firewall because firestarter is in two parts a daemon and a UI....the daemon doesnt need the UI04:51
fr500okie04:51
fr500+rom04:51
fr500oops04:51
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tomarayaOnce I've mounted the floppy drive, how do I open the file in OpenOffice?04:52
linux_galor1cool thing is you can copy the shellscript that firestarter creates when you run the wizard and edit a few things in the UI to your liking and put it on another machine to be run when it boots up04:52
thoreauputictomaraya: just navigate to /media/floppy or whatever and open the file04:52
tomarayathoreauputic: Ok.04:52
error_29re Firestarter, in a previous install (I don't have it now) it drove me crazy showing constant hits.  Then I realized that it was taking hits from the other computer on my lan.  Doh!04:53
error_29how do I change that04:53
tomarayaI'm just not familiar with the file structure.04:53
linux_galor1error_29: you can edit the filter to not show all the none related hits04:53
error_29naive question I know, but networks are second only to soundcards in confusing me04:53
thoreauputicerror_29: hehe - windows computer?04:53
error_29yes thoreauputic , how'd you guess ? ;-)04:53
linux_galor1error_29: its in the menu look for preferences  then click on filter and just disable all the output stuff04:53
error_29thanks linux_galor104:54
thoreauputicerror_29: oh, just a lucky stab in the dark ;)04:54
FASTanyone know of good free audio composition/effects software?   there was a suite/program i was looking at the other day, but didn't remember to bookmark it :\04:54
linux_galor1error_29: yeah firestarter has a habbit of showing lots of stray garbage that has no meaning04:54
tomarayathoreauputic: Strange, it just shows a bunch of files with no names.04:54
tomarayaI'll just copy the file over onto the desktop.04:54
thoreauputicerror_29: winsows does this thing where it broadcasts to the lan04:54
error_29"stray garbage that has no meaning" covers a lot of ground in Windows land, that's for sure, linux_galor104:55
thoreauputicerror_29: I forget the service - netbios maybe?04:55
linux_galor1FAST: lots of stuff like ardour or jammin04:55
error_29sorry thoreauputic , I'm clueless04:55
FASTardour! that's it04:55
linux_galor1FAST: did you look on www.freshmeat.net04:55
FASTi tried installing ardour but had some problems getting the jack sound server working04:56
shadeofgreyhey guys04:56
error_29All I know is one reason I switched to and love ubuntu on my laptop is I got tired of antivirus slowing everything down on04:56
linux_galor1FAST: I use Jammin  there is also rosegarden that pretty hard core muso stuff04:56
error_29an otherwise fast install of windows xp04:56
FASTfree stuff?04:56
shadeofgreyi just downloaded the openoffice.org installer for 1.1.4 and it claims i cant update it because the previous version was a networkj install04:56
linux_galor1FAST: yes04:56
FASTthanks04:57
linux_galor1FAST: yeah need to have libjack stuff installed04:58
shadeofgreywhats a network install, and should i just remove openoffice altogther?  if so how do i do that?04:58
thoreauputicshadeofgrey:  puhleaaase use synaptic or apt-get until you are more familiar with linux04:58
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thoreauputicshadeofgrey: the previous one was the default ubuntu install, yes?04:59
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: did you read the install howto with Linux its a two stage thing  need to do a system install then run it as a suer and that sets up the user stuff04:59
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nano_got a new installation on a IBM Thinkpad R30 unit.  CD will play music but XMMS will not stream (although it shows it's playing).  Any suggestions?04:59
tomarayaNight thoreauputic, thanks for all the help.04:59
thoreauputicwelcome. tomaraya :)05:00
error_29nano_, is it mp3's you're trying?05:00
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shadeofgreyyes the previous install was a ubuntu default installation05:00
nano_no i'm just running the stream from the shoutcast servers.05:00
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linux_galor1shadeofgrey: and you should just have used synaptic and installed the new version it would have just gone straight in05:00
shadeofgreythe installer claims all i have to do is type setup -net and it'll update itself05:01
ellstritium: hey what is up?05:01
nano_like with smoothjazz.com05:01
shadeofgreyi think im going to try that and see what happens05:01
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error_29I think, nano_ you may still need some multimedia plug-ins that don't come with ubuntu install05:01
shadeofgreybecause i dont know how to update it using synaptic05:01
shadeofgreyis there any such thing as apt-get update <package>?05:02
nano_like what do you have in mind, error_29?  this works fine on my desktop unit.05:02
error_29ubuntu on the desktop, nano?05:02
tritiumells, hey there.05:02
tritiumNot much.  You?05:02
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: you missed the point the whole idea of Ubuntu/Debian is all the packages are setup debugged and configured "for your desktop" if you download stuff and install the installers dont interface with your desktop well in many cases to icons are missing things are missing in your menu's etc ..the package manager and the packages dont just install software they configure the install too05:02
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nano_yes, error_29, i have a Compaq non-laptop type computer that I run Ubuntu on.  XMMS and the whole sound gig works fine on it.05:03
nano_error_29: what's odd is some of the sound works but others (like xmms) doesn't.05:04
FASThow is it that i;m supposed to start the jack audio server?05:04
error_29well, nano_, if you're sure you've got all the same plug-ins for streaming media on both boxes, then i don't know05:04
bl4cks4ilshey05:04
shadeofgreylinux_ga:  okay - but how do i update it with synaptic?  there are a BUNCH of listings for openoffice and all i want to do isupdate it to 1.1.405:04
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nano_error_29: I'll double check.  Thanks for the lead!05:04
shadeofgreyand using apt-get is the same as using the visual synaptic installer right?05:04
error_29sure, nano_05:04
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: pick the core package for openoffice and what you need will be downloaded05:04
bl4cks4ilsi'm using ubuntu ppc. is there a way i can get java and flash to work in my web browser?05:05
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: yeppers05:05
nano_error_29: I'll use synaptic to d/l all the xmms stuff.  Maybe that will fix it.05:05
linux_galor1nano_: might be your missing the xmms-also plugin'05:05
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linux_galor1nano_: sorry xmms-alsa05:05
error_29nano_ I only installed xmms yesterday myself, and I think possibly it likes a log-out log back in to configure itself, but I'm not sure05:05
nano_roger that, linux_galor105:06
nano_thanks for the help.   i'll check it out.  laters.05:06
linux_galor1is jre on the Ubuntu servers ....I dont know because I manually installed JRE 1.5.005:07
ellstritium: I got my new computer together. the new board has video onboard and doe not play well with linux05:07
Ainvarwill there be an iso for i686 machines?05:07
shadeofgreyokay...  synaptic shows the 2.0 core - but thats an alpha version... the latest stable is 1.1.4 and its not in the list05:07
shadeofgreyso now what?05:07
ellstritium: it talks about the frame buffer05:07
Quest-Masterlinux_galor105:07
Quest-MasterIt isn't05:07
linux_galor1Quest-Master: ooh well05:08
error_29bl4cks4ils, check the info on here: http://ubuntuguide.org/ if you haven't already.  Not sure if it covers ppc though05:08
Quest-MasterSomebody personally compiled there own .debs, but they aren't supported05:08
tritiumells, what video chip?05:08
ellssis05:08
ellstritium: i believe05:08
tritiumhmm05:09
linux_galor1bl4cks4ils: goto  http://java.sun.com  download JRE 1.5.0  and then you have to create a link to your mozilla/firefox plugins directory  explain that when you have jre05:09
ellstritium: I guess I will be forced to put windows on my new machine05:09
ellstritium: at least for now.05:09
tritiumlinux_galor1, you can use java-package to build your own java .deb05:09
shadeofgreylinux_galor:  theres no 1.1.4 listed in synaptic - just 2.0 -- so what do i do?05:09
bl4cks4ilsi have jre installed.05:09
tritiumells, you're sure there's no support for that chip?05:10
shadeofgreyhiya tritium05:10
shadeofgreyhows it goin05:10
tritiumells, what does lspci tell you it is?05:10
tritiumshadeofgrey, fine, thanks.  Yourself?05:10
ellstritium: i tried to install ubuntu and it locked up trying to enable the fram buffer or something05:10
linux_galor1tritium: dont know never done it but I cant see why not its just a tarball after you run the binary license05:10
shadeofgreytritium:  im okay.  would be better if i knew how to update openoffice to 1.1.405:10
linux_galor1tritium: need to add some scripting to create the links05:10
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shadeofgreytritium:  synaptic only lists 2.0 alpha as an upgrade -- and from what ive read 2.0 is still VERY unstable05:11
tritiumlinux_galor1, it's up to you, but it's definitely possible05:11
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tritiumshadeofgrey, it isn't working quite as well yet, yes05:11
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linux_galor1shadeofgrey: wait a few weeks and it will be the default lol05:12
tritiumshadeofgrey, and even in hoary, the highest stable version at the moment is 1.1.305:12
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shadeofgreyi think i may just say screw it and install 2....  1.1.3 has bugs in it that are really bothering me....05:13
FASTso do you have to be a rocket scientist to know how to run jackd audio server? jesus05:13
shadeofgreyhow long till the stable 2.0 is released?05:13
shadeofgreyanybody know?05:13
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: the 1.9/2.0 stuff has been going for a long time now05:13
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: I was told this 1/405:13
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tritiumshadeofgrey, you can have it installed along with 1.1.305:13
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linux_galor1reviews of OOo 2.0 have been good05:14
shadeofgreywell.. i just selected 2 and said apply.  that should upgrade 1.1.3 right?05:14
linux_galor1now have an access like database05:15
shadeofgreyor do i have to remove 1.1.3 first?05:15
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: yep05:15
shadeofgreyyep i have to remove it or yep its okay05:15
tritiumshadeofgrey, no.  I have both installed right now.05:15
tritiumIt should install without removing 1.1.305:15
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: hmm last time I did the debian update of OOo I had to remove it before the install05:15
shadeofgreythen how do i remove 3?05:15
tritiumyou don't have to unless you want to05:16
tritiumif you do, use apt, or synaptic, or tool of your choice05:16
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tritiumHi jordi_05:19
shadeofgreyi have a question -- why is iut that when yo7u completely remove stuff it has to INSTALL packages first?05:19
shadeofgreythat makes no sense to me05:20
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FASTis there a gui program for starting/configuring  jack audio server?05:24
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ellstritium: I will probably have to go buy a nice agp card05:25
ellstritium: my old agp wont fit on this new board05:26
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tritiumells, did you check out lspci output?  what chip is it?05:26
ellstritium: the slot seems to be different05:26
GooseyGoosehey peoples05:26
GooseyGoosewhat's specific to ubuntu ?05:26
GooseyGooseor attractive ?05:26
ellstritium I will have to wiat a sec05:26
GooseyGoosein anyones retrospective05:26
YomicFree CDs Goose :D05:26
GooseyGoosewho's using it05:26
ellstritium: I am putting xp on it05:26
Yomic;P05:26
rtit fits on one cd. :-)05:26
ellstritium: unfortunately05:26
tritiumells, eww05:26
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ellstritium: I know05:27
ellstritium: something to do with the frame buffer05:27
YomicGoose: There is also a huge community of people which is useful for help and actual development of the OS.05:28
error_29GooseyGoose, read this channel for a while and those questions will be answered in the course of time05:29
GooseyGoosejust did05:29
GooseyGoosenot all in entirety05:29
rti like ubuntu because for the most part it seems like it just works.05:29
GooseyGooseI mean, just started.05:29
GooseyGoosealso pulling down a simply 560 MB iso05:29
GooseyGoosesimple<-05:30
rtyou install it, it doesn't require a lot of attention.05:30
GooseyGooseany pitfalls to look out for ?05:30
GooseyGoosefrom personal experience in here ?05:30
rtupdates are pretty easy.05:30
jakejarvisi'm trying to install automake from the ftp.cygnus.com location and can't get to it - getting a login error - anyone know of any mirrors?05:30
goldfishit wont crash like wondows does05:30
goldfishlook out for that05:30
GooseyGooseI saw someone two eves ago claiming happy success getting mono 1.1.4 on their ubuntu05:30
goldfish*windows05:30
YomicHaha, Goldfish.05:30
goldfish:)05:30
Yomic;D05:31
GooseyGoosecygnus - heh, I went for that name in the 80's05:31
goldfishI am a n00b to linux, but ubuntu seems great.05:31
GooseyGoosefor Cygnus Software,  and probably 1,000 other people. lol05:31
ellstritium: have agp cards changed the way the fit in the slots? just curious05:31
goldfishHAsnt crashed once.05:31
=== Yomic is a n00b too.
GooseyGooseuntil the meteor hits, we're all n00bs05:31
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tritiumells, no05:31
goldfishlol05:31
GooseyGoosethen hmm.. I don't know what we are05:31
YomicI don't even know how to setup an internet connecion :(05:31
GooseyGoosenotta notta notta, not going to work here anymore <- office space05:31
ellsmy old agp card wont fit in this new slot05:31
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ellstritium: i got it for my old desktop05:32
GooseyGooseslot problems eh ?05:32
YomicGG: I believe you have my stapler.05:32
ellssort of05:32
GooseyGooseM: burn this whole building down...05:32
GooseyGooseM: There's no salt in my margarita, I could take my business to another resort you know...  last scene I think.05:33
GooseyGooseany ubuntu specific features ?05:33
ellstritium: they must have changed the way they fit into the newer boards05:33
GooseyGooseI mean, what defines ubuntu ?05:33
GooseyGoosepure curiosity as to others insights here05:33
Enmityhow hard is it to set up a laptop as a smtp server to send mail?05:33
tritiumells, I don't think so, but I haven't bought hardware in a long tie05:34
tritiumtime05:34
rtit's like debian, but frequently released and without all the irritation.05:34
ellstritium: that is what I mean. i got this card almost 6 years ago05:34
tritiumGooseyGoose, have you checked out the website/wiki/forums?05:34
GooseyGooseUbuntu is an African word, which has been described as "too beautiful to translate into English". The essence of ubuntu is that "a person is a person through other people". It describes humanity as "being-with-others" and prescribes what "being-with-others" should be all about. Ubuntu emphasises sharing, consensus, and togetherness. It's a perfect concept for Free Software and open source. Here's a great article that describes Ubunt05:34
GooseyGoosewow05:34
GooseyGoosethis matches almost identically with what I'VE come up with after 30 +  revolutions around the sun05:34
GooseyGoosethis ubuntu in concept -05:35
goldfishhaha05:35
GooseyGoosethat's terrific, that's wow -05:35
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GooseyGoosethat's crossing the line mayaaahen05:35
tritiumells, they made agp cards six years ago?05:35
GooseyGooseno, seriously, that's embedded spiritual foundation -05:35
GooseyGoosethat's a beeeeet more than a capitalistic model can offer, in a real good way05:35
GooseyGooseI've literally been contemplating lately that we are more our selves through others than not05:35
GooseyGooseand here I read ubuntu definition - jeebus05:36
Quest-MasterYomic: Are you the Yomic from Gaming World? :o05:36
GooseyGoosethat's just - hmmm... killer.05:36
goldfishwell......05:36
tritiumells, I think you have a standard pci slot and card05:36
LinuxJonesGooseyGoose, can yoiu please shorten ur name please ?05:36
GooseyGooseall I want it for is a dev platform. sure.05:36
goldfishhaha05:36
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YomicQM: Yes, I am.05:36
LinuxJonestty :)05:36
YomicWhat's up QM :D05:36
Sinistaryeah, that name is a bit - rough - sry bout that05:37
Quest-MasterHaha.05:37
Quest-Master:D05:37
goldfishwhhy the name shorten request?05:37
goldfish-h05:37
Sinistarjust look above - heh05:37
Yomicrami told me to ask you about linux and such :D05:37
Quest-MasterAwesome.05:37
LinuxJonesgoldfish, can you please shorten ur name ??05:37
SinistarI was rotating video games I enjoyed last eve, that works.05:37
goldfishhaha05:37
goldfishLinuxJones: no05:37
goldfish:)05:37
LinuxJones:)05:37
goldfishwell i could05:37
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goldfishif u really want05:38
LinuxJonesnah05:38
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Sinistarrt it is as if it is05:38
goldfish:)05:38
goldfishshit05:38
goldfish4:38am05:38
neirasHi there... how can I get a list of devices on my ISA bus?05:38
goldfishi need bed05:38
LinuxJonesgoldfish, 00:38 here05:38
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tomarayaGooseyGoose is only one character more than LinuxJones :S05:38
neirasWow, Ubuntu is as bad as WoW for sucking life away eh :D05:39
LinuxJonestomaraya, I wasn't getting my Long Name Props :)05:39
tomarayaneiras, nothing is as bad as WoW for sucking life away05:39
tomarayaLinuxJones: Word up.05:39
ellstritium: I am certain my card is agp05:39
Sinistartomaraya - now that you mention it, heh.  Now, the iteration of Goose05:39
LinuxJones:D05:39
SinistarI was Moose yesterday05:39
neirastomaraya, true, true05:39
SinistarMooseyMoose, then GooseyMoose  - it's all good.05:39
neirastomaraya, It works great under Ubuntu eh05:40
Sinistarin fact,05:40
Sinistarconsidering ubuntu - and my newly discovered encounter with its meaning - heh05:40
FASTis there a gui program for starting/configuring  jack audio server? :\05:40
SinistarAND that it's about where I'm at with looking at things conincidently -05:40
tritiumells, your new card, yes.  But I think your mobo has a standard pci slot05:40
SinistarI'd say - that ubuntu might be a good name for my ideal revision of IRC RFC 145905:40
Sinistarto allow for truly anonymous - re-use of group shared nick05:41
tomarayaneiras, I've heard of a few people having problems with it. To be honest with you I'm still switching over to Windows XP to play it. :p I'm a newb though, this is only day three or four.. as soon as I figure out how to open Word docs with OpenOffice off a floppy drive ..05:41
Sinistarnot unlike in published symposiums05:41
Sinistarthis feature is not available in RFC 145905:41
tomarayathen I won't ever need to boot into XP anymore!05:41
Sinistarand I think, would be 'ubuntu'05:41
Sinistarin concept05:41
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Quest-MasterYomic: Installed Ubuntu yet?05:41
tritiumells, please run lspci05:41
Sinistarpromoting a topic centric dialogue, as there would be no GooseyGoose05:41
neirastomaraya, at the office we are getting better framerates than we get under windows - our only issues have been mouse cursor stuff05:41
ellstritium: okay05:41
BrianAnthonycan someone please tell me how to stop vesafb from loading?05:42
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BrianAnthonyIt's crashing X and my computer05:42
Sinistarthere would be 'Disciple' and 'Landrew' as the only nicks ever used.05:42
tomarayaneiras, that's awesome. It's great to hear that it runs better.05:42
ellstritium: will that work within windows05:42
tritiumBrianAnthony, you can blacklist it by putting it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist05:42
tritiumells, no05:42
Sinistarcan I trust VMWare with Ubuntu ?05:42
tritiumells, do you have a live CD?05:42
neirastomaraya, RAM is the kicker - the reason it works better under Linux is that it swaps less05:42
BrianAnthonytritium: I've put it in there, but it still loads05:42
ellstritium: yes05:43
BrianAnthonyAmaranth: I stole your modems =P05:43
tritiumBrianAnthony, another module probably depends on it05:43
neirastomaraya, get a gig of ram and there's no jerkiness in Ironforge05:43
AmaranthBrianAnthony?05:43
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AmaranthBrianAnthony: oh, yeah05:43
Amaranthcool05:43
msg43how stable is ubuntu hoary?05:43
tomarayaneiras, it's about time I upgrade to a gig.05:43
tomarayaI'm gonna take off for the night, night.05:43
Amaranthmsg43: Are you comfortable with a command line?05:44
msg43Amaranth: Some what05:44
YomicHow do you setup a Cable connection in Ubuntu?05:44
AmaranthYomic: Hook the modem to your ethernet card and turn the computer on.05:44
tritiumells, use that live CD.  If you run lspci, you can ascertain if you have AGP05:44
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tritiumthere's also lspci -v05:44
ellstritium: cool05:45
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Amaranthtritium: Pretty sure -vv and -vvv will show even more. :D05:45
msg43Amaranth: I need to get ndiswrapper working and I need the kernel / header and someone told me I sould use hoary05:45
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Amaranth+ndiswrapper05:45
Amaranthdoh, that isn't in the bot05:45
YomicAmaranth: Sounds difficult. How would go about turning your computr on?05:45
YomicHeh.05:45
Yomic;P05:45
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Amaranthmsg43: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper05:47
msg43I can never find ndiswrapper-utils on my woary cd or the current stable final realse05:48
EnmityIs it possible to send mail straight from your laptop from an internet cafe without and ISP or accound or SMTP server?05:50
msg43amaranth: is hoary stabel that all I want to know05:51
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cjhelp!05:52
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MoonUnitAlphadoes anyone here have experience with an ipod on ubuntu?05:53
cjI can't get my cisco aironet to work with stable05:53
Amaranthmsg43: I haven't used it in a month, I dunno.05:53
Esteban4does anyone know the compatibility of sapire ATI radeon cards like x300 or x700 with ubuntu?05:53
msg43oh ok05:54
AmaranthEsteban4: Check ATI's website. If their binary driver for linux supports it it should run ok.05:54
mebaran151esteban05:54
mebaran151the linux driver works05:54
Esteban4awesome..thanks05:54
mebaran151but not all the advance features run05:54
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mebaran151I want cheese05:56
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johnnybezakclear06:00
ellstritium: I ran it, what am I looking for06:00
tritiumAGP06:00
MoonUnitAlphadoes anyone know how to get automounted devices to be read/write and not read only?06:00
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cjMoonUnitAlpha: filesystem?06:01
ellsit says pci/agp06:01
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MoonUnitAlphahfsplus06:02
tritiumells, paste it on pastebin?06:02
johnnybezakipod?06:02
ellstritium: paste bin?06:02
MoonUnitAlphayep06:02
ellsI can just retype it06:02
johnnybezakis it just in fstab?06:02
MoonUnitAlphaeven after i added a line for it in the fstab, it still wouldn't let me write to it06:03
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MoonUnitAlphaprobably i'm putting something in wrong06:03
johnnybezaki'm not sure man06:04
MoonUnitAlphait used to work in debian, but since i switched to ubuntu, it mounts as read only for some reason06:04
ellsTritium: 000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  661FX/M 661FX/M661MX741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP06:04
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johnnybezakwild guess: could you just change the permissions of the /dev file?06:04
MoonUnitAlphawhen i select the device as it shows up on the desktop, i can't change the permissions06:05
MoonUnitAlphaany idea how i can do that?06:05
johnnybezakyeah just do it from cli06:05
ellstritium: you still there06:05
MoonUnitAlphakinda new to the linux thing, what is that?06:05
johnnybezaktype sudo chmod 755 /dev/whatevertheipodis06:05
cjanyone have experience with cisco aironet 340 on ubuntu06:05
neirasWow, that's great to see,,, Really new people using Ubuntu06:05
johnnybezakor hang on wait a sec06:05
lynrobplease help me mount plex writer06:06
MoonUnitAlphai had some help getting debian up and going, but i hate windows, so i wanted to switch06:06
johnnybezakMoonUnitAlpha: give me one sec and i'll get the command for you06:06
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MoonUnitAlphanthanks06:06
tritiumells, yes06:07
tritiumells, is the slot brown?06:07
tritiumor white?06:07
ellsyes06:07
ellsbrown06:07
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tritiumyeah, that sounds like an agp slot06:07
ellstritium: i took my old agp and tried to put it in my new computer06:07
johnnybezakMoonUnitAlpa: whats the /dev/ address fro the ipod06:07
MoonUnitAlphasda306:08
ellstritium: I really think that agp card slotting has changed06:08
ellssince 9906:08
tritiumells, you might have a PCI Express06:08
johnnybezakok type sudo chown yourusername /dev/sda06:08
johnnybezakthen type06:08
ellstritium: really06:08
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johnnybezakchmod 755 /dev/sda06:08
ellstritium: how would one know06:08
tritiumells, you just bought a new mobo?06:09
Gor1Having some problems with backports here.  I added "deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main" to my /etc/apt/sources.list.  Specifically I am after thunderbird 1.0.  But when I reload in synaptic, all I am seeing is mozilla-thunderbird 0.8.  Any thoughts?06:09
ellsyes06:09
ellstritium: my doc says it has a 8X/4X slot06:10
tritiumells, don't know without seeing it then06:10
ellstritium: I took it from my old board and attmpted to put it on my new board, no dice Chicago06:11
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sridhow to send mouse-right-click even when a particular 'key' is pressed?06:12
MoonUnitAlphastupid thing still tells me it's a read only disk06:12
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johnnybezakMoonUnitAlpha06:13
MoonUnitAlphayes?06:13
johnnybezakdid you type that first command with /dev/sda3 and instead of yourusername your actual user name06:13
johnnybezakwhats your user name?06:14
MoonUnitAlphaadam06:14
MoonUnitAlphayeah06:15
Gor1Actually MoonUnitAlpha I believe changing the permissions of the dev node will not alter your permissions to the device itself.  Do you actually have it mounted in rw mode?06:15
MoonUnitAlphai at least do know that much, thankfully ;-)06:15
johnnybezakGor1: you take over :) i'm only guessing :)06:15
MoonUnitAlphawell, ubuntu is automounting it06:15
MoonUnitAlphai tried putting a line in the fstab, didn't seem to make any difference06:16
Gor1what is the line you put into the fstab?06:16
MoonUnitAlpha/dev/sda3 /media/sda3 hfsplus rw,user 0 006:17
error_29hey MoonUnitAlpha -- glad to see you persevering ... :-)06:17
MoonUnitAlphai've never met a computer problem i couldn't work through, i won06:18
MoonUnitAlphalet this be the first06:18
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MoonUnitAlphabesides, i hate windows enough that i'm willing to put up with a bit of learning to not have to use it06:18
Lorchaoshehe welcome to the club06:19
johnnybezakhaha you haven't been using linux long have you :P06:19
johnnybezakjk06:19
compmanio36only reason I keep windows around is for gaming06:19
compmanio36and DVD stuff06:19
Lorchaosuse cedega06:19
Lorchaosor a Xbox06:19
Lorchaos:/06:19
compmanio36eh, true06:19
error_29my feelings too MoonUnitAlpha , (tho' I don't put up with the learning, I thrive on it)06:19
MoonUnitAlphawell, i'd been running debian for about 5 months, had some help setting it up06:19
compmanio36can't afford a console06:19
Gor1wait, MoonUnitAlpha you are mounding it as a hfsplus filesystem?  I thought iPOD's were vfat06:20
MoonUnitAlphagot annoyed with some things about debian, so i switched06:20
error_29good thing, cause I also have to do a lot of relearning :(06:20
MoonUnitAlphawell, the ones that are meant for mac osx06:20
compmanio36and I need to get the gumption to grapple with Cedega06:20
MoonUnitAlphacome as hfsplus06:20
MoonUnitAlphait had worked fine in debian06:20
johnnybezakMoonUnitAlpha: heres the howto i used to get a mac ipod working with ubuntu06:21
johnnybezakhttp://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html06:21
johnnybezakGor1: hfsplus for mac formatted ipods06:21
johnnybezaksearch for "Thomas McMahon" (thats me)06:22
AmaranthGor1: They use either HFS+ or FAT32. The FAT32 ones suck because there are chars you can't include in file names when using it. HFS+ allows everything except :/06:22
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johnnybezakand after that is how i did it06:22
AmaranthThat's a colon and the char after was supposed to be a period. :P06:23
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regeyawith hfs and hfs+, colons signify folders06:25
regeyasure, os x uses forward slashes as it should, but colons also signify folders...maybe that's just a mac classic thing06:26
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regeyajust try to convince long-time mac users to not use forward slashes in filenames; it's impossible06:26
regeyaway offtopic: at the office I work at, people like to add "*" to the beginning of important files instead of using labels06:28
MoonUnitAlphai'm just curious why it mounted as read only06:29
regeyaand if it's more important, more than one wildcard06:29
johnnybezakMoonUnitAlpa: I can't tell you man sorry :P06:29
regeyaso it's fun when I run across "*******IMPORTANT DONT F'IN TRASH"06:29
compmanio36LOL06:30
johnnybezakthats screwed06:30
ellstrtium: I just checked and they have changed the agp slot and cards, because of voltage06:30
StoffBox-SteveOT *lol* regeya > *********************************[The/Perfekt\Tea]   <<< user how use think like this .... oh god ... a buy you a shotgun *GG*06:31
regeyahehe06:31
regeyaworking with a mixed os x/mac classic environment really sharpened my shellscripting skills06:32
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StoffBox-Stevebe back.. time for a new Perfekt Tea ^^06:32
error_29Where I work, people think the mouse will pee in your hand from fright if you click the right button.06:33
regeyaHEH06:33
regeyaback in 1984, we had one button and we liked it!06:34
compmanio36LOL06:34
error_29and fifteen thousand emacs key bindings06:34
error_29er, I guess not06:34
error_29(ignorant nooooob here!)06:35
compmanio36i love that on mac's w/ their one button mice you have to press ctrl to act as a right mouse button.......took me forever to learn that06:35
regeyareally shocks me that modern macs still ship with one button mice...especially since they're shipping Aquafied OpenStep these days...anyway...06:35
regeyaever price a real apple one-button mouse, like the ones that ship with Macs?  last time I checked, they were $60.06:35
error_29I'm hating this "press both buttons to simulate middle click" crap.  On a laptop.06:35
compmanio36and the fact that they are so freaking long?  like it doesn't fit to your hand06:36
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OrangeSlicewhee06:36
regeyaalso, the cords wear out quickly (at least they do in my experience)06:36
regeyaokay, I'm really sorry for being so offtopic in #ubuntu.  I'll stop, promise. :-)06:36
error_29Apple design should come with warning, look don't touch.06:36
error_29but I want a mac mini anyway06:36
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regeyaheh...cute l'il buggers, aren't they?06:37
MoonUnitAlphawell i have a mac laptop which i really like, but i have more music on my desktop, which is why i want the ipod to work with that ;-)06:37
Faustusdoes anyone know if you can set a 486s bios to boot from CD_06:38
error_29yeah regeya, if they had a line in, more memory and a couple more usb ports I'd be sold06:38
compmanio36if I could get a mac like I can a PC I would have one as a second PC06:38
compmanio36computer anyways06:38
sjoerdFaustus: very very small chance that it supports that06:38
compmanio36faustus, ain't gonna happen06:38
compmanio36just too old06:38
Faustusk causeI cuold figure out how to do that.  I rearrainged boot order from A to C to C to A without luck06:39
johnnybezakFaustus: hehe really eekin the life out of the old hardware :)06:39
compmanio36create a boot disk, like Win98 emergency disk, and that should let you run CD06:40
FaustusWell I just picked up a moniter for this pc I want to fool around with.  I usually run debian-ubuntu on macs06:40
compmanio36unless.......uh...you are trying to install ubuntu...........LOL06:40
compmanio36:P06:40
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Faustuscoupmanio36: are you saying ubutnu will not install onto to a 486?06:41
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compmanio36it will, but it will not boot from cd, and a 98 boot disk will not recognize the linux file system on an ubuntu install cd06:42
compmanio36I am sure there is a way to do it, but you need to find a way to do it from a linux boot disk06:42
Faustusthnks06:43
StoffBox-Stevecheck this > http://www.ipt.ntnu.no/~knutb/linux486/linux486.html < maybe there is help06:44
Faustusright on!06:45
regeyalast I knew, the stock ubuntu kernel didn't have compiled-in support for trivial things like, oh, ide.06:45
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StoffBox-Stevethere is regeya i know.. i look yesterday for a Netboot image :)06:46
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ellstrtium: you still there06:47
ellstritium: you still there06:47
tritiumyes06:47
ellstritium: I found out that agp card slots have changed06:48
tritiumIs that so?06:48
ellsyeap06:48
ellssince about 200006:48
ellsmine was before06:48
tritiumI see06:48
ellsmy loss06:48
tritiumsorry06:48
ellstritium: no problem, can you walk me through remote desktop06:48
ellswith windows pro06:48
ellstritium: it asks for certain things06:49
tritiumells, possibly06:50
ellsokay, do you want to go private for this one06:50
tritiumI guess06:50
ellsokay06:51
johnnybezak*wolf whistles*06:51
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TestDummyEr, I'm having a little trouble with Firestarter.06:58
mebaran151TestDummy, what does it do07:00
TestDummyWell, it seems on boot I have to start it manually though terminal then every few minutes it seems to go off and have to restart07:00
mebaran151it is on07:01
mebaran151I wouldnt worry to hard07:01
mebaran151it is only a frontend to iptables07:01
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TestDummyNot to mention have to unplug and plug back in my modem like three times after boot to get the connection07:01
mebaran151which probably loaded07:01
mebaran151hmm07:01
TestDummyWell, I'm not sure if it starts up or not07:01
TestDummyFrontend eh?07:01
TestDummyWell, it says it's disabled when it goes off..07:02
TestDummyBlah07:04
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mebaran151ah07:06
mebaran151that means iptables is sort of messing up07:07
mebaran151your problem isnt firestarter07:07
mebaran151it is iptables07:07
mebaran151which is kernel based07:07
srihey is 2.6.10-4 still unstable?07:08
srisomeone was saying that linux-image-2.6.10-4 was causing problems07:09
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sriit just downloaded for me and I want t omake sure I don't get nailed by instability07:10
delltonywhat is a good download manager i can't get d4x to work for some reason keep getting gtk-critical errors07:10
delltonygdk-critical i mean07:10
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Esteban4not to be the newbie here, but i really would like to build a shuttle box, preferably intel, but most of the parts I would like to build it with havent shown up on the wiki... does anyone know or have extensive knowledge of ubuntu and shuttle boxes by any chance07:17
Sinistarwhy shuttle ?07:17
Esteban4b/c of their small form factor07:17
Sinistari see07:17
Sinistarclear07:17
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shadeofgreywhats thebest CD burning program thats graphical for ubuntu?07:18
MoonUnitAlphak3b is what i use shadeofgrey07:19
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: your kidding Ubuntu has a built in burner07:19
OrangeSlicecdrdao!07:19
OrangeSliceoh, wait, graphical07:19
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: Nautilus the file browser can burn CD's on the fly07:19
OrangeSlicegraveman is nice, for gnome.07:19
OrangeSlicek3b is very advanced, but for KDE (have to install libs)07:19
MoonUnitAlphai'm just too used to using nero...07:19
johnnybezakk3b is like nero07:20
linux_galor1naaaw Ive used ubuntu and it has a simple rig for burning it uses Nautilus as the graphical front end07:20
johnnybezakits pretty dam sweet07:20
OrangeSliceyeah k3b is the linux equivalent07:20
linux_galor1yeah k3b is pretty cool but Ubuntu uses gtk desktop by default07:20
OrangeSlicean example of open source matching commercial software07:20
shadeofgreycan i do apt-get install k3b?07:20
MoonUnitAlphayep07:20
OrangeSliceand 60mb of kdelibs :) hehe07:21
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: you can but it will download about 20 packages because it uses the kde desktop07:21
shadeofgreywait07:21
shadeofgreyif i use k3b that means i have to switch from gnome to KDE?07:21
OrangeSliceI'd really reccomend graveman, it's nice, easy to use, and for gnome.07:21
johnnybezakit wont download all the kde stuff though will it?07:21
johnnybezakshadeofgrey: no07:21
MoonUnitAlphanah, it'll run in gnome, just has to load kde libs07:21
OrangeSlicekdeinit >.>07:21
OrangeSlicememory hog07:22
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: read the Ubuntu howto on there home page you can use nautilus just drop the files on the cd07:22
OrangeSlicenautilus burner works great, but only does data cd's07:22
shadeofgreyi tried to use the nautilus thing.  it crashes the whole system totally07:22
johnnybezakshadeofgrey: just like in explorer on windows07:22
johnnybezaklol07:22
OrangeSliceif you want audio or vcd or anything else, you're kinda screwed there.07:22
shadeofgreyso07:22
linux_galor1there is also cdroast  thats gtk07:22
OrangeSlicewhich is where apps like k3b come in07:23
OrangeSliceor graveman, or coaster07:23
shadeofgreyif i download and install k3b it WONT change my window manager from gnome at all?07:23
OrangeSliceor the all-powerful cdrdao console burner07:23
OrangeSliceno, it won't07:23
delltonywhats a good download manager you can use with flashgot ?07:23
shadeofgreycan graveman do everything k3b can?07:23
OrangeSliceit will not install kde, only kde libraries alowing you run run kde apps in gnome07:23
delltonyi can't get d4x or kget to work right07:23
OrangeSliceno, probably not.  but graveman is still nice :)07:24
shadeofgreyi just dont want to lose my whole system...  ive worked like hell to get this thing the way i want it07:24
shadeofgreyis there a front end i can dload for cdrdao?07:24
OrangeSlicelots of burning apps are secretly cdrdao frontends07:25
johnnybezakwhy not just get k3b who cares about the extra libs07:25
OrangeSlicek3b is a cdrdao frontend :p07:25
OrangeSlicewell, partially07:25
OrangeSlicek3b uses cdrdao07:25
OrangeSlicebut it does a lot of other things too07:25
linux_galor1http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=burning&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=007:25
linux_galor1lots of burning apps07:26
shadeofgreyokay.  i just sold my soul...  apt-get install k3b07:26
johnnybezakshadeofgrey: it doesnt matter itll work fine07:26
cjhttp://gallery.colliertech.org/gallery/Scarlets-Laptop07:26
cjrunning ubuntu07:26
shadeofgreyid really like to run superrkaramba so i can get my system to look like os x07:26
shadeofgreybut that means totally switching to kde07:26
johnnybezakshadeofgrey: its a bit of a hack07:27
johnnybezakhow come?07:27
OrangeSliceos x look:  gnome applications panel to top of screen07:27
linux_galor1hmm a good burner is one of those holes that need fixing in Ubuntu07:27
OrangeSlice:p07:27
johnnybezakthe transparency isnt actually transparent07:27
johnnybezakit just shows the desktop07:27
johnnybezakto get proper os x i candy well have to wait for the damage and composite extensions to get stable07:28
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: need to get xorg with the OpenGL transparency patch07:28
linux_galor1shadeofgrey: maybe next release of Ubuntu (stable)07:28
linux_galor1johnnybezak: been using the OpenGL patch with Xfree86 now for well over a year works fine07:29
linux_galor1Linspire ver 5.0 now comes with true transparency by default07:30
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johnnybezaklinux_galor1: yeah thats true, it's just not stable yet thats all :)07:31
YomicMy dad just came in here complaining: "Since 80% of the hard-drive is being used, that's why it crashes so much. You need to reformat it and reinstall windows so I can install Norton-Internet Security."07:32
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linux_galor1johnnybezak: hasnt crashed on me for ages07:32
YomicI hate it when people who know nothing about computers try to tell you the hows and whys of computers.07:32
linux_galor1Yomic: you know nortons internet security stuff has been hacked07:32
YomicI do know that.07:33
YomicMy dad is stupid. :)07:33
YomicWhen it comes to computers and such.07:33
regeyaI cringe any time I see the name 'Norton'07:33
linux_galor1Yomic: yeah symantic has also been hacked....not only that symantic installs the trojon lol07:33
pussfellerdid someone tell him he needs norton internet security to protect against hackers or something] 07:34
YomicProbably.07:34
compmanio36Norton also uses WAY too many sys resources07:34
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YomicI told him norton was 'decent' for windows.07:34
YomicIndeed.07:34
pussfellerthat norton stuff ruins systems07:34
da_bon_bonYAY! hoary gaim is updated to 1.1.3 ...07:35
regeyatook me ages to convince the mac zealots at work to STOP USING NORTON PRODUCTS.07:35
compmanio36my dad had it, his system crashes more than mine, when I run all freeware stuff07:35
Yomicmac < *07:35
pussfellerget him clamav for win07:35
linux_galor1Yomic: just put zonealarm on it....although tell him "Officially" Microsoft says not to connect windows directory to the internet but use a NAT/Firewall/Router between the windows machine and the internet07:35
regeyawww.clamwin.net07:35
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regeyaYomic: this from an XP user, eh?07:35
YomicWin98SE07:36
Yomic:P07:36
pussfellerjust get a cheap router and that solves all the externel problems07:36
regeyaLOL07:36
linux_galor1anyone have the Microsoft link were they recommend a nat/firewall/router07:36
pussfellerwhich, most actually come from viruses, trojans and explotis people run internally07:36
regeyaoh, aye, win98se is far superior to panther07:36
JDahlanyone here old enough to remember the assembler programming book by Norton, with him in a pink shirt on cover?07:36
Amaranthlinux_galor1: That's common sense, I think.07:36
linux_galor1Amaranth: I run OpenBSD and Linux and i wouldnt dream of not having a firmware NAT/Firewall07:37
AmaranthExactly.07:37
regeyaJDahl!07:37
regeyatotally!07:37
pussfelleris norton a real person?07:37
YomicI have a router.07:38
pussfellersome guy named norton back in the day wrote antivirus software?07:38
regeyaat one point norton put out decent products...apparently.07:38
JDahlyeah... he wrote a bunch of DOS tools + a halfway decent book07:38
pussfelleri hope he got rich...07:38
Amaranthregeya: NAV was good until they were in a checklist war with mcafee07:39
pussfellerzone alarm is the most friggin annoying piece of #$@Q#$07:39
Amaranthregeya: You know, checklist features like "Scan MSN Messenger, check!".07:39
linux_galor1yeah wouldnt want to own Norton sticks right now Microsoft is doing the old "eating its children" thing and now adding Security software to Windows with a long term aim of charging for updates07:39
linux_galor1stocks*07:39
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pussfellerwell they should give you firewall/virus and office and etc for as much as they charge07:40
linux_galor1I can imagine it now within a few years Norton wont be able to install properly because microsoft has added "features" to the api to stop apps interfering with the systems default security software07:41
linux_galor1yeah 415% markup on Windows07:41
pussfelleri never understood why people were in arms over bundling07:41
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linux_galor1pussfeller: your a Linux person were bundling is pretty normal07:42
pussfelleryes, so i dont see why its ok for one and not the other07:42
linux_galor1pussfeller: because Linux is "open source" and doesnt have hidden api stuff were windows is all closed source with lots of hidden stuff07:42
regeyaI really, really hope that MS goes through with the plan to make people *call* to activate windows.  will open up all sorts of competition possibilities.07:43
linux_galor1oranges and apples07:43
linux_galor1regeya: yeah best promoter of Linux is Microsoft07:43
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YomicMicrosoft/Bungie is planning on releasing Halo3 on the same day as the PS3. <--- Ahaha07:43
pussfellerthe funny thing is, if MS would just act decently, there wouldnt be nearly as much opposition to them07:44
regeyaexcept that they're constantly fighting to, erm, lobby for vague laws that will make anything other than Windows illegal.  Then again I'm a conspiracy theorist...but I'm sure that's what they're up to.07:44
pussfellerthey create their enemies thru the way they act07:44
regeyathey're already in a position that if they go out of business, it has a major impact on the U.S. economy07:44
linux_galor1yeah but if the PS3 is good Microsoft could end up with egg on its face07:44
pussfellerif they went out of biz, it would hurt for awhile, but other companies would take their place in an instant07:45
linux_galor1regeya: not really Microsoft arent that big07:45
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regeyalinux_galor1, don't be so sure07:45
pussfellerlinux_galor1, it was the antitrust declaration against MS that started the bursting of the bublle07:45
linux_galor1regeya: external intrest rates on bonds/cash would do more damage than microsoft07:45
regeyalinux_galor1, think about how many people are closing in on retirement age, how many of them have retirement funds, and how many retirement funds lean on stocks like ms.07:46
pussfellerit had to happen sooner or later, but it all started when the clinton administration got that judgement07:46
linux_galor1regeya: not mine lol07:46
regeyaheh07:46
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pussfellerputting your retirement money in a circus act like the stock market is just stupid07:46
regeyamy mother is secretly mad at me for using Linux...it hurts their retirement fun, dammit!07:46
linux_galor1regeya: actually IBM has more retirement funds stocks.....dont forget Microsoft is the 17th biggest company in the USA ....IBM is in the top 507:47
da_bon_bonOMG! gaim is updated to 1.1.4 YAY!!!07:47
regeyatrue07:47
linux_galor1da_bon_bon: done it running it07:47
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regeyait's hilarious though when BillG...BillG, mind you, tries to rattle his sabre whenever the word 'antitrust' is uttered07:48
regeyait's as if he sees ms as a world power...arrogant bastard07:48
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pussfellerdo people ever stop to think what would have happened to linux and FOSS if MS had been broken up? it woud have died right then and there07:49
MyNameIsChrisHas anyone had issues with an LG DVD Writer not being detected by the installer?07:49
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pussfellerthere would have been no motivation anymore, or way less07:49
linux_galor1regeya: see the RMS article that shows Bill as saying in 1992 ....if patents existed Microsoft would have never got were it was.... imagine Microsoft trying to shaft IBM on the OS/2 joint venture and taking the code and creating NT 3 if patents existed back in 199007:49
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regeyawhee07:50
regeyait's almost an argument *for* software patents...meh07:50
da_bon_bonlinux_galor1: so am it :)07:50
linux_galor1if patents existed back in 1990 IBM would own Microsoft07:50
restrex_is inotify enabled at the 2.6.10-2-386 kernel ??07:51
regeyaI'm not sure that's a good thing07:51
regeyaI'm pretty sure there are IBM execs that kill kittens for sport07:51
linux_galor1regeya: no it shows how Bill is two faced.........one minute he says patents are bad for business and admits if they were around Micosofts profits would be very low and now Bills running around saying patents are a must07:51
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regeyanow that you mention it...well, linux_galor1, I guess I just don't flinch at that b/c I've grown accustomed to getting conflicting signals from redmond07:52
linux_galor1to be honest I think Microsoft is doing short term good but in the long term patents will do allot of damage because IBM has like 100 patent for every 1 Microsoft has07:53
linux_galor1also the japanese have been registering patents like mad locking in the firmware layers07:54
regeyaamerican business for you, though.  short term gain == good!07:54
linux_galor1regeya: well the latest worry is the USA will be the cause of the next stock crash as the USA defaults on all its debt07:54
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thynisanyone in here know how I could go about mounting my MacOSX partition07:56
regeyaa real shame ronnie raygun isn't around to hang by the testicles...what a bargain.  overlook our debt and we'll be world police.07:56
thynisin ubuntu07:56
MyNameIsChrisHas anyone ever had issues where the installer cannot detect the optical drive it booted from?07:56
regeyanow nobody wants a world police (at least not u.s.) and oh look at that debt.07:56
regeyaenough to drive a man to drinkin'.  mmmmm....drunk.07:56
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thynisanybody know?07:57
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linux_galor1hmm07:58
linux_galor1hmm07:59
linux_galor1mkdir /mnt/macosx [RETURN] 07:59
linux_galor1mount /dev/hdxy /mnt/macosx -thfsplus [RETURN] 07:59
stuNNedhow to send an attachment with the 'mail' command?08:00
linux_galor1thats if the kernel supports the hfs file system08:00
linux_galor1stuNNed: man mail08:00
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MyNameIsChrisNever mind, I found my problem on the bugzilla08:02
P-LowHey when is the next stable release coming out?08:02
P-Lowanyone know?08:03
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|QuaD-april08:04
P-Lowdanke08:04
stuNNedlinux_galor1: checked it nothing really there08:04
|QuaD-np08:04
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linux_galor1mail command howto -> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl1_Mail.htm08:09
linux_galor1sorry slow had to have a slash08:10
|QuaD-heh, that was a big mailing list convo08:10
thoreauputichmm.. just installed the clearlooks gnome theme - rather nice08:11
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thoreauputicwish gnome would lode that awful "home" icon, though08:11
=== bur[n] er prefers Outcrop :)
thoreauputic*lose08:11
thoreauputicbur[n] er: is outcrop available at gnomelook.org?08:12
bur[n] erya08:12
bur[n] erfor sure08:12
bur[n] erthat's how i have it08:12
thoreauputicI might have a look08:12
linux_galor1stuNNed: get that08:12
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bur[n] erme too08:13
linux_galor1hate my desktop I keep it very bare08:13
johnnybezakhey guys i want to have mt-daapd start on boot-up hwo do I do that?08:13
bur[n] erthere's a bug report already08:13
bur[n] erbut some debate about the ability in the gnome-workspace-switcher08:13
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thoreauputicworkspace switching in gnome is stone-age08:14
poningruW27m211f608:14
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poningruwow08:14
poningruheh08:14
thoreauputicfluxbox gets it right08:14
bur[n] er i wouldn't go that far, but i really like mouse scrolling08:14
poningruguess I have to change that password08:14
bur[n] erso does kde and xfce08:14
bur[n] erfluxbox gets its stuff right, there's just not much stuff to it ;)08:15
thoreauputicbur[n] er: oh yes, there's a lot - you just have to dig for it more08:15
thoreauputictabs, addons like fluxter, dockapps, desktop warping and wheeling.... blah blah08:16
bur[n] ereh08:16
bur[n] eri prefer gtk libs loaded and more powerful apps :)08:16
bur[n] eralthough evolution is getting a bit much with it's 200+ RAM usage08:17
thoreauputicbur[n] er: you just start gnome-settings-daemon in the startup script to have gtk2 look right08:17
thoreauputicand of course you can use any apps you like08:18
linux_galor1johnnybezak: just add it to the end or /etc/rc.local  ie exec whatever08:18
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: there's no /etc/rc.local in debian based distros :)08:18
linux_galor1thoreauputic: there isnt...ooh yeah BSD based..bugger been admining rh machines too long08:19
thoreauputicnearest thing would be /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh08:19
linux_galor1thoreauputic: should have checked on my laptop08:20
linux_galor1thoreauputic: too lazy to boot it up08:20
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thoreauputic:-)08:20
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AcidWolf:)08:21
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AcidWolf:)08:22
AcidWolfhow goes it08:22
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thoreauputicnot bad - a bit tired today08:22
da_bon_bonhey am i alive08:23
AcidWolfaaah ok08:23
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AcidWolfyes you seem to be alive08:23
da_bon_bonAcidWolf: thanks doc08:23
AcidWolfnot a problem08:23
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AcidWolfi got one tough08:24
AcidWolfmp3 and dvd playback08:24
AcidWolfHoary PPC08:24
AcidWolf:(08:24
AcidWolfi did the apt-get dist upgrade yesterday08:24
AcidWolfand since then ive lost dvd and mp3 playback08:24
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yeah /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh seems to be about it other than linking lots of stuff in08:26
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: the "debian way" is to add your script to /etc/init.d then use update-rc.d to make the required links08:27
linux_galor1thoreauputic: aaah08:27
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: bloody roundabout way if you ask me08:27
linux_galor1thoreauputic: little detail on the web about it08:28
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: I think /etc/rc.local makes sense08:28
thoreauputicespecially for trivial changes08:28
AcidWolfwhat do you mean08:28
AcidWolfthis is linux08:28
AcidWolfnothing makes sense08:28
thoreauputichehe08:28
AcidWolflol08:28
linux_galor1thoreauputic: I only run Ubuntu on one machine right now still having problems getting a handle on some things after been rh borge for 5 years08:29
thoreauputicthere are always 15 ways to do any given task...08:29
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AcidWolfindeed08:29
linux_galor1thoreauputic: then some smart ass finds another 1508:29
AcidWolfwhich is why its so good08:29
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linux_galor1one thing I would love is Ubuntu to use a parallel load init not the series rig it has now08:30
linux_galor1most modern cpu's can multi task just fine08:31
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thoreauputicubuntu should have a start-up wizard thingy for new users with a brief explanation of synaptic and repositories...08:36
thoreauputicthe same questions get asked *again and again*08:36
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thoreauputica channel bot would be nice for such questions...08:37
AcidWolfim trying to use zinf to play music08:40
AcidWolfbut the second i load the file to play it exits08:40
AcidWolf:(08:40
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thoreauputicAcidWolf: is this Hoary with polypaudio? There have been issues with that I believe08:41
AcidWolfyes hoary08:42
AcidWolfhmmm08:42
thoreauputicAcidWolf: are yiu subscribed to the users mailing list?08:42
thoreauputic*you08:42
AcidWolfnope08:43
AcidWolfi should be though08:43
thoreauputicmost of this stuff pops up there within hours08:43
AcidWolfoh ok08:43
thoreauputicpretty active list ( about 200 mails a day)08:44
AcidWolfi have been cruising the forums though08:44
AcidWolfcause all i hear are the system sounds08:44
AcidWolfsee on standard warty08:44
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thoreauputicAcidWolf: the forums have an archive of the mailing list I think08:44
AcidWolfdvd and mpr3 playback works fine08:44
AcidWolfoh ok08:44
thoreauputicAcidWolf: I'm still on Warty08:44
AcidWolfbut under hoarty nothing works right lol08:44
AcidWolfoh ok08:45
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thoreauputicAcidWolf: it's like Debian unstable - you get to keep both pieces when it breaks ;)08:45
AcidWolfis there a command that would remove all hoarty packages and then revert back to warty08:45
AcidWolflol08:45
thoreauputicnot really08:45
AcidWolfthats funny08:45
AcidWolfhmmmm08:46
AcidWolfso theres no system restore or anything08:46
AcidWolfor system repair08:46
thoreauputicAcidWolf: it's not original, I'm afraid08:46
AcidWolfaaaah08:46
AcidWolfgotcha08:46
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thoreauputicAcidWolf: going backwards in debian is difficult...08:46
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AcidWolfok08:46
thoreauputicmost bugs get a work-around or a fix within a day or so though08:47
thoreauputicthe mailing list is good for that stuff08:47
AcidWolfcool08:48
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AcidWolfspeaking of which08:48
AcidWolfi cant even get mail programmes to work08:48
AcidWolf:(08:48
AcidWolfhow poo is that08:48
lba48i hear getting eclipse to work under ubuntu is a real hassle08:49
AcidWolfwouldnt know never tired08:50
thoreauputicAcidWolf: this is since you did dist-upgrade to hoary  ?08:50
AcidWolftried*08:50
AcidWolfyes08:50
AcidWolfsince i did the upgrade to hoary08:50
thoreauputichmm08:50
Plukis it normal that sudo remembers you authenticated before?08:50
AcidWolfare we talking about the email or all the media support08:50
Plukcuz i can now sudo without enetering a password08:51
AcidWolfyes Pluk08:51
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thoreauputicPluk: there's a time-out08:51
Plukah ok08:51
AcidWolfgive it about 15 mins08:51
thoreauputic5 minutes?08:51
AcidWolfand then try again Pluk08:51
Plukwas worried already08:51
AcidWolfyou will be prompted08:51
AcidWolfor 508:51
AcidWolfsame thing08:51
AcidWolfim normally stoned so 5 feels like 15 to me08:52
AcidWolf:p08:52
Pluk:D08:52
AcidWolfok coffee time08:52
linux_galor1AcidWolf: kidding my wife can get evolution working and she's a moron08:52
thoreauputicPluk: "user pluk is not in the sudoers file: this incident will be reported"08:52
linux_galor1when it comes to computers08:52
AcidWolflol @ linux08:52
AcidWolflol @ linux_galor108:52
linux_galor1she hates outlook now08:52
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linux_galor1give you an idea how dumb she is she tried to setup her msn email account in evolution08:53
Plukits kinda dumb evolution cant do that :P08:54
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: your wife says "hello", and just wait til you get home !!08:54
linux_galor1well firefox works fine anyway08:54
linux_galor1aaah she wont be online she's anti computer08:54
thoreauputichehe08:54
AcidWolflol08:55
linux_galor1told here to hit the tab key took her 2 minutes to find it08:55
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: BTW it's actually possible to have hotmail in evolution08:55
linux_galor1she even looked at the buttons on the case lol08:55
AcidWolfwell my Fiance aint to computer literate either08:55
linux_galor1thoreauputic: it is.......hmm how you do it08:56
AcidWolfshes not bad with html though08:56
VR^there's more to life than computers you freaks08:56
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thoreauputiclinux_galor1: hmm - there's an app - hotwayd or something08:56
linux_galor1well my old lady is good with images...I cant do image editing to save myself08:56
VR^08:56
AcidWolfme neither08:56
thoreauputicVR^: HERETIC!08:56
linux_galor1thoreauputic: look on freshmeat08:56
thoreauputicburn the heretic!08:56
linux_galor1?08:56
VR^yeah yeah08:57
AcidWolfi take one look at Photoshop and my balls shrink08:57
VR^go outside man08:57
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linux_galor1lol..only thing I use in gimp is the that fancy text wizard08:57
VR^expose your pale skin to the sun! ...08:57
thoreauputicVR^: and get skin cancer? No thanks ;-)08:58
AcidWolfdood im black08:58
thoreauputichaha08:58
AcidWolfhow is tanning gonna help me08:58
VR^bweheh08:58
linux_galor1aaaargh whats that bright thing in the sky......why hasnt it got craters.... Wife.. thats the sun darling08:58
thoreauputicAcidWolf: great comeback, man !08:58
AcidWolftggy08:58
AcidWolfty08:58
AcidWolf:p08:58
AcidWolfsee i cant even type08:58
AcidWolfbut08:58
VR^seriously though08:58
AcidWolfi can say motherF$%6&R really well08:58
linux_galor1Im like the Adams Family..... I have a moon tan08:59
AcidWolfmoon tan hey08:59
AcidWolffreaky08:59
AcidWolfim permanently tanned08:59
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VR^i'm just emotional... since you all started talking about your biatches08:59
linux_galor1well I work in a lab all day no windows some days i arrive at work its dark and go home its dark08:59
AcidWolfwell duh im black so that would make sense08:59
cg0defhow can I switch from gamin to fam08:59
jdubcg0def: you shouldn't08:59
AcidWolflol08:59
cg0defgamin has a very poor performance and get errors all the time08:59
AcidWolfVR^ aint gettin any09:00
AcidWolf:p09:00
AcidWolfneeyaha09:00
cg0defjdub: why not?09:00
jdubcg0def: er, it doesn't at all09:00
VR^AcidWolf, it's not about gettin' some09:00
VR^heheh09:00
cg0defoh yes it does09:00
thoreauputicAcidWolf: you could still get sunburnt though - best to stay indoors ;-)09:00
AcidWolfindeed09:00
VR^well, maybe it is, but i have a different problem09:00
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AcidWolfmaybe if i stay indoors long enough ill turn white09:00
cg0defI was having the same problem when I tested fedora core 3 every once in a while gamin would stop updating09:01
AcidWolfthen i can run for President09:01
AcidWolf:)09:01
Plukk i set the timeout to 0 now :) like that better09:01
VR^call yourself THE MAN09:01
jdubcg0def: those issues have been fixed09:01
thoreauputicAcidWolf: don't wish that on yourself...09:01
cg0defwhat version09:01
AcidWolfyeah you have a point09:01
AcidWolf:p09:01
AcidWolfnah kidding09:01
AcidWolfim white09:01
VR^sure09:01
AcidWolfwell olive tan actually09:01
AcidWolfyeah09:01
VR^you freak09:01
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AcidWolfyou have no idea09:02
AcidWolf:p09:02
VR^heheh09:02
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cg0defjdub: I have 0.23 installed and there isn't anything newer in apt09:02
thoreauputicAcidWolf: besides, to run for president successfully these days you also need an IQ below room temperature09:02
VR^listen up man09:02
AcidWolfand you have to be gay curious09:02
VR^my girlfriend left for the weekend with her chick girls09:02
quinnIn Hoary, is there any sort of blacklisting going on with the rules that get into the Layout Options tab of the Keyboard preferences applet? I'd like to use the CapsLock is Compose rule, but it doesn't show up..09:02
AcidWolfcause bush is getting into bed with as many world leaders as he can09:02
AcidWolf:p09:02
Plukdang mplayer doesnt suport drag an drop09:02
quinnBut it's in the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules file09:02
VR^my weekend is gonna suck ass09:03
AcidWolfnot really VR^09:03
VR^on top of that, i run windows09:03
linux_galor1yeah commont on gamin update for FC.3 fixing many problems -> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story42134.html09:03
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linux_galor1comment*09:03
AcidWolfjust go to the local Adult Shop or Use highspeed connection and have one of those really filthy weekends09:03
VR^and i cant get my ubuntu box to connect to the interweb09:03
thoreauputicVR^: life is truly bleak - I feel your pain09:03
AcidWolfwith beer and porn and all the other fun stuff09:04
VR^AcidWolf, ah man i tried... it's not working09:04
thoreauputicVR^: yeah, the interweb is broken09:04
cg0defgamin sux and is way more unstable that fam and there is no one that can convince me otherwise09:04
AcidWolfhmmmmm09:04
VR^thoreauputic, sorry, i meant to say INTERNETS09:04
linux_galor1Pluk: yeah the mplayer UI is pretty but dumb......there is talk of redoing the whole thing09:04
cg0defI have to restart the damn thing so that my files that I just downloaded would show up09:05
AcidWolfwhats wrong with it VR^09:05
AcidWolfwhat did you do to it09:05
Plukthat good to hear linux_galor109:05
cg0defnever had to do anything like that in debian09:05
AcidWolf:p09:05
quinnOh, never mind. THe option was just in the wrong section.09:05
VR^AcidWolf, i think my nic just doesn't get recognized or somethin'09:05
AcidWolfok that doesnt make sense09:05
AcidWolf:p09:05
VR^heheh09:06
VR^wtf do you mean mr. black man09:06
quinn excellent!09:06
AcidWolf:p09:06
VR^in the network settings, eth0 unckecks itself all the time09:06
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AcidWolfhmmmm09:06
VR^oyven maven!09:06
AcidWolfVR^ open network monitor and go to Eth0 and then activate it09:07
AcidWolfyoull be surprised09:07
AcidWolf:)09:07
VR^i did that09:07
VR^without any luck09:07
AcidWolfand what was the result09:07
AcidWolfcheck your hostname09:07
VR^hold on, lemme boot up that machine09:08
thoreauputicVR^:  ifup eth0 ?09:08
AcidWolfbrb09:08
VR^thoreauputic, don't ask me that... i'm a newb09:08
linux_galor1might go steal myself a new copy if Ubuntu heh heh09:08
thoreauputicVR^: just type that and see what happens09:08
thoreauputicor sudo ifup eth009:08
VR^lemme boot it up09:09
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: yeah, on a ubuntu_warez channel ;-)09:09
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Plukis there a way to tabcomplete the command you use with sudo?09:09
thoreauputicPluk: not as far as I can see - wish there was though09:10
Pluknot sudo specific though09:10
thoreauputicit's a pain09:10
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yeah even got a key registration hacking app......wow feds will be after me09:10
Plukah bad luck :)09:10
jdubPluk: turn on bash tab completion09:10
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: d00d, that 5uXX0rz09:10
thoreauputic:)09:11
linux_galor1I hacked Ubuntu website man and they send me all these CD's....Im so 33709:11
linux_galor1heh heh09:11
Plukjdub, isnt bash tab completion already on?09:11
jdubnot by default, no09:11
Plukbecause i can tabcomplete the first command09:11
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: heh, man, those linux dudes are clueless  ;-)09:11
jdubthat's just normal tab completion09:12
Plukah ok thx man bash now :)09:12
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yeah man all I had to do is give them my email and they sent me the CD's pfft...09:12
jdubPluk: vi .bashrc09:12
jdubPluk: man bash won't help you09:12
Plukhoped it would give me the proper syntax09:13
linux_galor1thoreauputic: be amazed how many people Ive sent to the Ubuntu website to register for the cd's09:13
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: that's good - should be more of it !09:13
linux_galor1thoreauputic: then I went to install the software and they dont even have any key registration...how week is that man09:13
Pluklol its already in .bashrc commeted though .. thx jdub09:13
VR^thoreauputic, it says, "...already configured"09:14
linux_galor1thoreauputic: actually the dial up crowd seem to be the people who like it the most09:14
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: hey, there's no interweb icon on the desktop either! They don't know nothin!09:14
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: indeed - I'm part of the dialup crowd and that's how I got mine09:15
VR^you owe me a penny... i patented that phrase... "interweb"09:15
linux_galor1thoreauputic: and they have a office suite too....man these guys are nuts they send me the cd's then give me the OS and an office suite for nothin and I dont even have a key reg....man these guys are clueless09:15
thoreauputicVR^: oh... intellectual property eh? Hi there Darl!09:15
VR^heh09:16
linux_galor1thoreauputic: should make an advert based on thos comments lol09:16
linux_galor1actually ive been following the SCO/Linux thing closely and SCO cant sue for copyright only people who have had past contracts with caldera/sco09:17
thoreauputicVR^: if eth0 is already configured, you should have network access - do you have your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf?09:17
linux_galor1thank AT&T/Berkley for that09:17
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thoreauputicVR^: less /etc/resolv.conf09:18
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thoreauputiclinux_galor1: they are in imminent danger of being delisted, I saw09:19
thoreauputicVR^: also look at /etc/network/interfaces09:19
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VR^thoreauputic, resolv.conf is empty...09:19
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yeah and a fraud case is in the making over past dealings09:19
thoreauputicVR^: well, populate it with nameservers09:20
VR^thoreauputic, tell me this, when i plug in my cable modem, should it uatomatically just pick up the connection?09:20
thoreauputicVR^: the ones your isp gave you09:20
linux_galor1VR^: you running a static of dhcp connection09:20
thoreauputicVR^: without nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf you aint goin' nowhere09:21
VR^i dont have a static connection09:21
thoreauputicVR^: except pinging IP addresses09:21
linux_galor1why would /etc/resolve.conf be empty ?? dhcp should fill it09:21
soren9580i know this is the wrong place to ask this, but i figured i'd ask anyway. Does anyone on here know how i can see who is connected to my machine (Mac OS X) via filesharing, and control the connections?09:22
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thoreauputicsoren9580: I think #mac would be a better place to ask09:23
thoreauputicI think ther is one on freenode09:23
thoreauputic*there09:23
soren9580ok09:23
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cblackmorning, folks.09:24
soren9580there is, but they generally don't know anything09:24
VR^my isp is bright house networks, road runner... and for the life of me i can't find information on nameservers.09:24
thoreauputicsoren9580: LOL09:24
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thoreauputicsoren9580: oh dear - there must be a *few* mac geeks who know something, surely?09:24
linux_galor1VR^: login to your account you should find a connection info page that tells you the default dns server number or you can use a public dns server09:25
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soren9580hey, i'm pretty knowledable about macs09:25
soren9580but this is something i don't know09:25
thoreauputicVR^: I take it you can't ping IPs either?09:25
zymewhat is this all about09:25
zyme(dcgui:11503): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:09:25
zymeAuthentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.09:25
zymedc_gui: db_appinit, open /root/.dctc/bDB fails: Invalid argument09:25
VR^thoreauputic, i can do that09:25
linux_galor1VR^: telnet or ssh into the router or another machine09:26
thoreauputiczyme: you're trying to run GUI apps as root, aren't you?09:26
zymeyeah09:26
zymeit does the same thing when im not root too though09:26
linux_galor1VR^: if that works then all you have is a nameserver problem or your router isnt handing out the dns server number for some screwy reason09:26
thoreauputicVR^: if you can ping outside IPs but not addresses like google.com, your problem is the empty /etc/resolv.conf09:27
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Plukgreat it works jdub  and its kinda cool09:27
thoreauputiczyme: rm .ICEauthority, logout of gnome and log back in - and NEVER RUN GUI AS ROOT09:28
thoreauputicthats .ICEauthority in your home directory09:28
VR^either that or i'm too dumb of a newb09:28
thoreauputiczyme: your authority is now screwed until you fix it as above09:28
zyme!09:29
stuNNedlinux_galor1: thanks09:29
zymehow can this be :(09:29
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zymethats probably why all of my other gui based things never work when i try to run them09:30
thoreauputicMIT magic cookies, zyme09:30
zymethat would be really cool if everything work now09:30
zymegonna try that, thanks09:30
thoreauputiczyme: no guarantees, but blow that file away and try again09:30
linux_galor1VR^: add nameserver 203.25.172.1  to /etc/resolve.conf09:31
thoreauputicno final "e" in resolv.conf09:31
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linux_galor1stuNNed: lol trying to remember what I helped you with09:32
zymethat didnt work :(09:32
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yep09:32
thoreauputiczyme ,   ls -l .Xauthority09:32
linux_galor1thoreauputic: lol gaim keeps making me want to type the correct spelling09:33
thoreauputiczyme: what does that say?09:33
zyme-rw-------    1 zyme     zyme          129 2005-02-26 01:30 .Xauthority09:33
zymelolz09:33
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: get a decent client ;)09:33
thoreauputiczyme: that looks OK09:33
linux_galor1thoreauputic: hai I like this client...got spell shecking09:33
zymezyme@dhcp-67-158-25-118:~ $ dcgui09:33
zymedc_gui: db_appinit, open /home/zyme/.dctc/bDB fails: Invalid argument09:33
linux_galor1heh heh09:33
zymeinvalid argument!09:33
thoreauputiczyme: I don't see an argument there09:34
Plukzyme dont you prefer dcgui-qt?09:35
thoreauputiczyme: what does `hostname` say ?09:36
Plukman this is nice! tar -xvjf <TAB> shows me only compressed files09:36
Plukbash completion rox!09:36
thoreauputicindeed09:36
linux_galor1Pluk: you can even get it to ignore case  ie ls ja[tab]   will also show Jam-  jAm  etc09:38
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Plukhmm that would be nice too09:38
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Pluklinux_galor1, any idea how to set that option in /etc/bash_completion?09:41
thoreauputiczyme: any progress?09:41
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thoreauputic1234sometarball.tar.gz - WHY?09:42
thoreauputicspeaking of sane ways to take advantage of tab completion ;/09:43
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StoffBox-Stevesping09:47
thoreauputicspong ;-)09:47
StoffBox-Steve :)09:47
FlUagood morning09:47
thoreauputicgreetings, O traveller09:47
OrangeSlicelet me sleep >.>09:48
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sharkegday09:50
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FlUaI am a noob that has some problems installing ubuntu. the grub loader freezes during the startup. I have several HDd's installed. but has installed ubuntu on ide1. any suggestions?09:51
sharkeIS IT A DUAL BOOT09:52
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FlUayes09:52
thoreauputicsharke: speak up, I can't hear you09:52
Adrenalprob just scanning too many drives, causing it to slow down09:53
Vjazis grub supposed to be scanning any drives?09:53
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FlUacould it be issues with the NIC?09:54
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Adrenalhey, lets play a game09:54
Adrenaleverybody press ctrl+v09:55
YomicThe following is a list of important considerations regarding directories and partitions.09:55
YomicThe root partition / must always physically contain /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib and /dev, otherwise you won't be able to boot. Typically 100 MB is needed for the root partition, but this may vary.09:55
Yomic/usr: all user programs (/usr/bin), libraries (/usr/lib), documentation (/usr/share/doc), etc., are in this directory. This part of the file system needs most of the space. You should provide at least 500 MB of disk space for a minimal installation, and at least 1.5 GB if you want to install a standard Ubuntu desktop. If you want to install more packages you should increase the amount of space you give this directory.09:55
FlUai have a onboard gblan NIC on a MIS K8T neo MB09:55
Yomic/home: every user will put his data into a subdirectory of this directory. The size of this depends on how many users will be using the system and what files are to be stored in their directories. Depending on your planned usage you should reserve about 100 MB for each user, but adapt this value to your needs.09:55
Yomic/var: all variable data like news articles, e-mails, web sites, the packaging system cache, etc. will be placed under this directory. The size of this directory depends greatly on the usage of your computer, but for most people will be dictated by the package management tool's overhead. If you are going to do a full installation of just about everything Ubuntu has to offer, all in one session, setting aside 2 or 3 gigabytes of space for /var sho09:55
linux_galor1Pluk: you add "set completion-ignore-case on"  to /etc/inputrc  or ~/.inputrc if you just want it for that one user09:55
Yomic/tmp: if a program creates temporary data it will most likely go in /tmp. 20-50 MB should usually be enough09:55
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plagiatshi folks09:55
linux_galor1Pluk: sorry got a phone call09:55
YomicSorry. That was my ctrl+v :/09:55
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thoreauputicYomic: WTF are you doing?09:55
patrick_good morning guys. I have a kind of a n00b question for you. I want to know how i can chagne the permissions of an entire disk09:55
plagiatsIs ubuntu a good debian based distro to try out X.org and composite ?09:55
omniscient1what do i install to let totem have support for audio/x-ac3?09:56
Adrenalpatrick_: hoo boy09:56
FlUai have a onboard gblan NIC on a MIS K8T neo MB09:56
linux_galor1plagiats: got xorg working on ubuntu09:56
FlUaerm... MSI MB09:56
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plagiatslinux_galor1, will I have lot of things to do to activate composite?09:56
patrick_i want to acces trough samba from client to server ( both linix ) i can write from client to homefolder server, but i cant write to the mounted disk in the server09:57
linux_galor1plagiats: well i patched some thing in but i think the latest release has it by default now09:57
plagiatsyou mean if I download latest iso of ubuntu I'll get composite to work without anything done?09:57
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linux_galor1plagiats: xorg09:58
plagiatsMy graphic card is an ATI radeon 9220se, will there be any problem with it? I mean does ubuntu ships with good drivers ?09:58
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linux_galor1plagiats: I built it myself want on the server when I went to update to it back then09:58
linux_galor1wasnt*09:58
linux_galor1plagiats: works in 2D fine 3d is slow......better of with nvidia09:59
plagiatsarf :)09:59
plagiatsI'll give ubuntu a try09:59
plagiatsthanks09:59
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sharkeu wont be dissapointed with ubuntu10:01
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linux_galor1first thing I do with my bash console setup is always add "set completion-ignore-case on" in /etc/inputrc10:01
linux_galor1sharke: cant wait for the next release10:02
sharkecomming soon10:02
Pluksoz linux_galor1 already found out10:02
StoffBox-Stevehm can someone help i try to instal WinXcvs but become this error: main.c:114: Warnung: implicit declaration of function `set_shared_memory_reserved'10:02
linux_galor1Pluk: ok10:02
Plukbind 'set completion-ignore-case on' did the trick10:02
Plukin .bashrc10:02
linux_galor1Pluk: heard my client make a noise that someone has used my name but I couldnt reply i was on the phone10:03
Plukthats no prob :)10:03
linux_galor1Pluk: yeah nice option saves you having to remember if files/directories have upper or lower case letters10:04
thoreauputicyay Ubuntu conference down under in April!10:04
sharkeill be there10:04
linux_galor1thoreauputic: hmm might turn up with my iCrash laptop10:04
linux_galor1heh heh10:04
YomicG'night.10:04
linux_galor1<-- sid_a-knee10:05
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linux_galor1Im downloading Vidalinux.... its basically what Ubuntu has done to Debian, Vidalinux has done to gentoo10:07
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sharkeany experiance with radeon 700010:09
omniscient1what do i need to install to make totem be able to play a dvd with ac3 audio?10:09
Zenith-I'm using a ADSL internet connection, my NIC is a built in VIA VT6102. My problem is that my internet is very slow in Ubuntu. I get about 20% of the capasicty on my connection..What's wrong?10:11
Corvixi got a prob with cron, I set up a task in my personal crontab to run mpg123 as an alarm in the morning ... if I stay logged in everythings fine, but if i'm logged out, the job won't run ... ???10:11
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StoffBox-Stevewhat the channelname for winX ? someone know ?10:12
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sid77hi10:14
Corvixhey10:14
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Corvixanyone any idea about the cron issue?10:14
linux_galor1Zenith-: I seem to always have problems lately with VIA hardware...10:15
thoreauputicCorvix: if you aren't logged in, why would a user set cron run?10:15
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Corvixto get awake in the morning ...10:16
thoreauputicCorvix: doesn't the system think you only exist while logged in?10:16
Corvix55 7 * * 1-5 mpg123 -q -z -@ /home/corvix/good-morning.m3u10:16
Corvixhmm ...10:16
linux_galor1Zenith-: I just used a cheap Netgear 8139 card ($12) runs like a rocket10:16
thoreauputicCorvix: maybe needs to be set globally to run when your user ian't logged in10:17
StoffBox-Stevenobody can help me with winX ? :(10:17
Corvixbut executing as root in the main crontab doesnt work either with mpg123 ...10:17
Corvixwhats winx?10:17
StoffBox-Stevea windows emu need for gaming under linux10:17
linux_galor1Corvix: it a project based on wine to run windows Direct X games on Linux10:17
plagiatswineX you mean10:17
thoreauputicI think you mean wineX ?10:17
Corvixah .. right ...10:17
zymehey umm what do i have to do to get my system to be able to connect to other local machines with ip addresses starting with 10.*.*,* ?10:18
StoffBox-Stevejup wineX forgot the e :D10:18
Corvixisnt that the thing where one has to pay a license?10:18
linux_galor1its total crap because microsoft keep changing the the rules thus winex never is 100% let alone 90% ok even with games it supports10:18
StoffBox-Steveno, when using the CVS that you dont need a license10:18
thoreauputiczyme: tell the machines about each other in the /etc/hosts file10:18
coivisand isn't it called cedega nowadays?10:18
StoffBox-Stevei geht this error when i try "make"10:19
StoffBox-Stevemiscemu/miscemu.o(.text+0x136f):/home/steve/temp/cvswinex/winex/miscemu/main.c:118: undefined reference to `wine_mmap_add_reserve'10:19
StoffBox-Stevecollect2: ld returned 1 exit status10:19
StoffBox-Stevemake: *** [wine]  Fehler 110:19
zymeok10:19
thoreauputiczyme for instance 192.168.0.4 alterego10:19
StoffBox-Stevegeht = get10:19
linux_galor1there are actually quite allot of games on Linux if you look around10:19
zymefascinating10:20
thoreauputicwhere alterego is another machine with that IP10:20
zymeyou are ridiculously good at this ubuntu thing10:20
StoffBox-Steveright linux_galor1 there a some nice native linux games :)10:20
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thoreauputiczyme: ex debianista ;)10:20
linux_galor1StoffBox-Steve: Im totally sucked into enemy territory10:20
spiralhi10:21
sharkesee ya10:21
StoffBox-Stevelinux_galor1, :) i dont play mutch ... my aktive phase is over ... but sometimes i a nice DOD game with some friends is nice :)10:23
Corvixhmmm ... no idea about cron?10:23
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Corvixor any other alarm solution to get awake in the morning without beeing logged in?10:23
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linux_galor1Corvix: lots of howto's on cron/crontab  even some nice idiot proof front ends for it10:24
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: he's gone :)10:24
linux_galor1aah10:24
linux_galor1ooh well10:24
linux_galor1I use cron to record the radio for me10:25
linux_galor1there is this great 4 hour tech/space show on on saturday but Im out10:25
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zymetime to post on internet10:25
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Zenith-I'm using a ADSL internet connection, my NIC is a built in VIA VT6102. My problem is that my internet is very slow in Ubuntu. I get about 20% of the capasicty on my connection..What's wrong? Could this problem be solved if I upgrade to Hoary Hedgehog?10:26
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FASTwhat audio cd burning software is there to use?10:27
zymei think that my gigabytes are bigger in ubuntu than in windows10:27
FASTgui preferably10:27
omniscient1can anyone here help ? i'm getting errors from xine (totem) telling me that it doesnt know how to handle x-dvd-subpicture, mpeg, or x-ac310:27
linux_galor1Zenith-: did you do a google on the chipset see if there are any problem with the driver10:27
zymeCONFIRM/DENY10:27
omniscient1it just locks up with cd spinning spitting that at the console10:27
omniscient1is anybody able to help?10:27
thoreauputiczyme: heh - which is heavier, a tonne of feathers or a tonne of concrete ?10:27
linux_galor1FAST: I use the command line but k3b works fine10:27
zymehaha yeah that was silly i know10:28
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jesuelIve noticed, tvtime takes aLOT of processor time, Where xawtv takes very little next to none10:28
thoreauputiczyme: ;-)10:28
nmaquetFAST : k3b will do, for sure10:28
zymei had a problem with my cd just spinning, but then i wiped it with a cloth and it worked again10:28
Zenith-linux_galorl: No, i didnt. But i read in the forum that many others have had the same problem, with dial-up to. The problem is that I couldnt find a solution for the problem10:28
thoreauputiczyme: could be a diff in terms of base 2 Vs base 1010:28
thoreauputiczyme: re gigabytes I mean10:29
linux_galor1zyme: clean the lens on the led.it a clear circular thing about 4 mm10:29
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linux_galor1zyme: led/laser sorry10:29
FASTthanks10:29
linux_galor1zyme: cotton bud should do it10:29
zymeyeah10:30
zymei already fixed it10:30
zymei wiped it with a cloth10:30
zymelike a charm i tell you10:30
linux_galor1zyme: I find the thing clog up about once every two years10:30
thoreauputicvodka is good for cleaning lasers *g*10:30
alliowhat'd be the easiest way to get amarok in ubuntu? the packages are broken and i can't seem to compile it10:31
linux_galor1thoreauputic: no thats wetwear storage cleaning fluid (vodka)10:31
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: clears the mind wonderfffffully (hick)10:32
thoreauputics/hick/hic   ad lib10:32
linux_galor1allio: well do a google.com/linux search look for  ftp debian amorok  then add the server to /etc/apt/sources.list10:32
alliocheers10:32
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: hmm.. using debian sources is deprecated10:33
linux_galor1thoreauputic: got a nice bottle of scotch ...cant drink it10:33
linux_galor1thoreauputic: depends10:34
alliodoesn't seem to fix the problem anyway10:34
linux_galor1allio: need to update it too10:34
allioyeah, have done.10:34
thoreauputicI guess one or two is unlikely to hurt since hoary is more or less permanently broken anyway *grin*10:35
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linux_galor1thoreauputic: lol got about 200-300 package on this thing that arent even on the cvs version10:35
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: ah... a man who likes to live on the edge10:35
linux_galor1thoreauputic: pffft its 2 hours old I want it now10:36
thoreauputichaha10:36
linux_galor1can see why Im looking at Vidalinux10:36
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: I still have debian woody on one box here ;)10:36
linux_galor1thoreauputic: got a P1 still running potato10:37
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thoreauputiclinux_galor1: wow - that's really pushing the ancient envelope  hehe10:37
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thoreauputicmine's a pentium 200 mmx10:38
njs12345how hard/dangerous is it to set up SELinux on ubuntu?10:38
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yeah 2.2.* kernel10:38
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: rock solid?10:38
thoreauputicwoody is practically unbreakable10:38
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yes and seems faster than my P3 running 2.6.1010:38
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_michael_Hello. Can anyone tell me where I might find a grub error log ? I'm having a problem with my first custom kernel.10:39
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: this is the point where we start doing the Monty Python 3 Yorkshiremen sketch...10:39
_michael_And I also can't make my desktop retaing its resolution across reboots10:39
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yeah put your job on woody10:39
zymehaha i burned all my mp3s from windows on like 8 dvds and am about halfway done with putting them on ext3 partitions10:39
linux_galor1heh heh10:39
njs12345_michael_: a grub error log? how do you mean?10:39
njs12345like a kernel error log?10:40
thoreauputicwhen I were lad, used to use patch cords and valves... !!10:40
_michael_njs12345: some way of knowing why it goes wrong ?? I just get a strange video mode set with funny lines, as it starts to boot the kernel10:40
linux_galor1thoreauputic: heh heh10:40
njs123450_o10:40
njs12345you customized it with framebuffer and things like that?10:41
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linux_galor1thoreauputic: I had one of them triode based calculating machine I did10:41
_michael_njs12345: I guess sp. I didn't put anything in the grub boot to say it should use a different resolution though.10:41
njs12345what video card do you have?10:41
linux_galor1triode = valve10:41
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: diodes? You were lucky! We had to make do with an abacus!10:41
_michael_I'm using a Matrox G550, as it's the most compatible card I have.10:42
njs12345it definitely shouldn't do that by default.. if you're lucky and have another PC you might be able to make it output to the serial10:42
linux_galor1thoreauputic: ooh you must have had a rich family..we had to use stones to calculate things we did10:43
_michael_Hmm. serial isn't an option really. Is there no log from grub then, or a way to get it to log what it does ?10:43
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FASTwell.... k3b worked pertty easily10:43
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: well, in our family we had to take shoes off and count toes!10:43
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linux_galor1FAST: yeah no brainer10:44
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_michael_thoreauputic: You had shoes ???10:44
FASTwas k3b intended for KDE ?10:44
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linux_galor1thoreauputic: aaah we couldnt count toes because we worked in the mines we did all black they were10:44
thoreauputicwell... shoes, I mean rags wrapped around foot10:44
linux_galor1FAST: yes10:44
tvonmost apps that begin with a 'K' were intended for kde10:44
tvon:)10:44
FASTfigured10:44
BW-awayhi all; having problems with the root account being disabled, i've read the wiki page RootSudo, but it doesn't get me anywhere, keeps prompting for a password.....10:45
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thoreauputicyou worked in mines? you were lucky! We had to *dig* our own mine, and pay for privilege!10:45
SeveasBW-away, what exactly are you trying to do?10:45
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BWGamesSeveas: get into network-config10:45
_michael_thoreauputic: Bah... In my family, we didn't even have shoes, as we had chopped off our own feet to boil them for some stew to eat.10:45
BWGamesit prompts for a root password10:45
mpqis it possible to make a partition on the hard drive that can be written to in both windows and linux?10:45
SeveasBWGames, try `gksudo network-config`10:46
BWGamesSeveas: sorry, network-admin, ok thanks, will do10:46
Seveas(without the `` of course)10:46
_michael_njs12345: is the splash option important ? I removed it (and the ro option) from my root line in grub. Could this break it ?10:46
Seveasand enter your own password10:46
linux_galor1_michael_: meat pffft we dreamed of meat... we used to try get sis pregnant we got so desperate10:46
thoreauputic_michael_: aye - but you tell the young people that today, and they won't believe you!10:46
njs12345no10:46
BWGamesdoh...thanks, i didnt realise *your own* password ;)10:46
Seveas:)10:46
njs12345splash does a splash screen, so I don't think that would break it10:46
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da_bon_bonhi all10:47
Seveashello10:47
linux_galor1my dad lived in liverpool after the war.....man we have it so good10:47
_michael_njs12345: Ironically, I don't actually get a splash screen on the prebuilt kernel.10:47
da_bon_bonwazuo, guys ?10:47
da_bon_bon_michael_: u enabled bootsplash ?10:47
linux_galor1he used to steal coal from bombed out homes10:47
njs12345no, I think it's just there for forward compatibility10:47
njs12345or something like that anyway, because I don't think the default kernel even has bootsplash in it ;)10:48
_michael_da_bon_bon: No... just trying to work out why my boot hangs, and what I changed from the defaults10:48
_michael_njs12345: Yeah, I guessed that, so that's why I left it off. Guess I'll have to rebuild the kernel again. Not sure what to take out (or put in) though.10:48
da_bon_bonso, has anyone enabled bootsplash on ubuntu kernels ? hoary ?10:48
_michael_linux_galor1: He obviously used to live in the 'posh' side. Our homes didn't even have coal.10:49
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_michael_linux_galor1: We'd be grateful for the bombings, as they might give us some metal we could sell to t'ironmonger10:49
_michael_njs12345: which options should guarantee that it doesn't try to change res (but won't break X) ?10:50
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theEotahey zenrox hows it going10:51
dudhmm, this is rather exciting... seems that vmware workstation beta 5 has athlon64 support :D10:51
linux_galor1_michael_: I usually remove all the optional res settings that stops it trying to go to the lower setting10:51
dudfinally10:51
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linux_galor1dud: yeah but is it 64 bit10:52
theEotazenrox you here10:52
_michael_linux_galor1: for boot console res (trying to get rid of hang) ?? or for the X option (I just want it to stop setting stupidly high res) ?10:52
njs12345wow10:52
linux_galor1_michael_: aaah10:52
njs12345update-manager is pretty cool..10:52
_michael_what's update-manager ?10:53
_michael_(aside from managing updates... )10:53
njs12345_michael_: you running hoary?10:53
_michael_njs12345: It was a fresh install of warty last night. just rebuilt the first kernel this morning.10:53
njs12345oh10:54
njs12345I don't think you have it then10:54
njs12345it's an update application10:54
_michael_I might update to hoary once I get the basics system working as I want though10:54
njs12345so you run it and it tells you what needs upgrading10:54
njs12345very simple10:54
da_bon_bon_michael_: hoary rocks!10:54
njs12345you know, a bit more suitable for the newbs :)10:54
BWGamescan anyone help me set up remote X servering in ubuntu?10:54
_michael_is it worth me updating to hoary before rebuilding the kernel then ?10:54
da_bon_bonnjs12345: update-manager is just a synaptic based frontend to apt-get dist-upgrade10:55
njs12345yes10:55
njs12345but it still rules10:55
bronsonI've got gnutls11-dbg installed but when I try to step into the library I get a "gnutls_global.c: no such file or directory"10:55
bronsonCan anyone tell me where I should put the gnutls source?10:55
_michael_anybody ? Build kernel, or update to Hoary first ?10:57
da_bon_bon_michael_: update to hoary10:58
da_bon_bon_michael_: why r u so keen to build your own kernel ?10:58
_michael_da_bon_bon: Thanks. I need a new kernel to allow use of my 2GB RAM. I have SMP, but I know there's prebuilt for that10:58
BWGamesi have a remote xterm running, is there any way to get the gnome-wm up?10:59
_michael_None of the prebuilts have highmem enabled AFAIK10:59
da_bon_bon_michael_: hoary has /many/ kernels to choose from - even 2.6.1110:59
_michael_da_bon_bon: Are they high-mem enabled though ?10:59
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_michael_da_bon_bon: with SMP as well.11:00
linuxboydoes hoary have OpenOffice.org 2 ?11:00
poningruhi question: is there a small well packaged linux distro that is a media hub?11:01
calamari_oh yeah.. when are the Ubuntu package maintainers going to update firefox?  I was reading about new exploits found in firefox and I'd like to have the latest version to patch them11:01
poningrulinuxboy: its not out yet11:01
da_bon_bon_michael_: yes11:01
thoreauputic_michael_: is "highmem" anything over 1gig?11:01
poningruOOo2 isnt out yet11:01
_michael_yes for highmem being over 1G11:01
da_bon_bonlinuxboy: yes. apt-cache policy openoffice.org211:01
thoreauputic_michael_: OK thanks11:01
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_michael_da_bon_bon: Okay, thanks. Time for a hoary adventure then ;o)11:03
thoreauputicBWGames: if X forwarding is enabled in ssh, you can run remote apps in X with ssh -X11:03
calamari_anyone know why they haven't updated firefox yet?11:03
da_bon_bon_michael_: you will like it11:03
_michael_da_bon_bon: I assume it's best done from a console ?11:03
_michael_da_bon_bon: and not under X ?11:03
da_bon_bon_michael_: not necessary. gnome-terminal is just fine11:03
_michael_da_bon_bon: oh, cool. Just follow the instructions on the WIki ?11:04
BWGamesthoreauputic: yup, got it working with apps, but is there any way to run the WM? or.... using XDCMP, any way to get it to show the login screen you get at the X11 console, rather than the GDM?11:04
da_bon_bon_michael_: and, after installin and updatin, remember "apt-get remove xserver-xfree86" and "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" ok ?11:04
_michael_da_bon_bon: noted.11:04
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thoreauputicBWGames: yes, you can run gnome remotely : it's a question of startx with a terminal and then type gnome-session11:05
thoreauputicBWGames: there are more elegant ways - but that will work11:05
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BWGamesthoreauputic: thanks, that worked! :)11:06
Vilijohey how do I install windows to my qemu ? Do i need some disk image err?11:06
mjrBWGames, what do you mean? The login screen you get at the console _is_ GDM.11:06
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thoreauputicmjr: heh - not if you ssh in - you get a console and a prompt11:06
mjrif you want the graphical greeter on remote computers, that can be set from gdmconfig11:07
BWGamesmjr: thats what i want, thanks, i'll try that :)11:07
thoreauputicmjr: yes, true11:07
mjrthore, http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/C/console.html :11:07
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BWGamesgnome-session worked, but i just get a blank desktop, with no top panel or virtual desktop switcher11:10
thoreauputicmjr: OK point taken: I meant a text only tty - will that do ;)11:10
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_michael_What's the URL to upgrade from warty to Hoary ? I saw it yesterday, but lost it again.11:11
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BWGameshoarys out? I just installed warty *oh great*11:11
_michael_no... not final yet11:12
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thoreauputic_michael_: just replace all instances of "warty" with "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade11:13
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_michael_thoreauputic: Thanks.11:13
da_bon_bon_michael_: refer to ubuntguide.org11:14
_michael_da_bon_bon: Thanks. I hadn't seen that.11:14
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_michael_well, I should have hoary up and running in 30 mins ;o)11:17
Vilijohow do I install an operating system to qemu ?11:18
Vilijofor11:18
thoreauputic_michael_: wow - you have some impressive pipe there!11:19
BWGameswhen logging in via XCDMP/gnome-session etc, i get the desktop window and the two panels top and bottom panel... but nothing appears in them, even when i manually add something, they appear fine on console grahpical login?11:19
_michael_thoreauputic: Only a 2Meg line, but I manage a solid 230kBps11:19
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BWGames_michael_: only? i "only" have a 512k pipe11:19
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BWGamespeople still use dialup? oo err :(11:20
_michael_Must be time for the yorkshiremen sketch again.... ;oP11:20
thoreauputicBWGames: poor people do, yeah ;)11:20
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BWGamesthoreauputic: fair enough ;)11:20
selinium_hi all, has anyone got a tv pci working that can let me now how! :)11:21
thoreauputicwhen I were lad, didn't even have telephone! Had to make do with paper cups and a bit of string!11:21
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_michael_String ? We had to pull whisker off t'cat and use that betweem two halves of an eggshell.11:22
selinium_thoreauputic: Luxury! I used to use rolled up newspaper  to make a megaphone to shout through!11:22
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thoreauputicOK OK  !!  rofl11:23
Tomcat_newspaper?11:23
Tomcat_Luxury. :o11:23
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_michael_You could shout ? After working down t'pit all day, using throat to break the coal, we didn't even have a voice.11:24
thoreauputicWE used to lean out't window and just yell! (window -well it were hole in septic tank!)11:24
selinium_LOL is it something about monty python and proppeller heads..... :)11:26
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selinium_Can anyone give me some pointers on how to get my TV card working?11:26
thoreauputicselinium_: is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?11:26
_michael_You had propellers ?? We had to whittle down our own shin bones and turn them real fast using only our thumbs.11:27
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selinium_thoreauputic:  Argument? i think i am in the wrong room! :)11:27
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thoreauputic_michael_: you were lucky! We had to use old bits of cloth and flap them! Propellers? pffft!11:28
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thoreauputicselinium_: heh11:28
thoreauputicselinium_: I'm sorry I'm not allowed to argue unless you pay11:29
selinium_thoreauputic: my tv card has ceased to be, it is an ex-tv card, if was for the fact it is screw to the chassis it would be pushong up the diodes.11:29
thoreauputicselinium_: haha11:30
thoreauputicgood one11:30
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StoffBox-Steveis Nvidia Twinview an extra Package ?11:31
thoreauputicselinium_: I'm sorry, I'm all out of TV cards - I just looked out the back11:31
StoffBox-Steveor simple add a 2nd divces at the config ?11:32
selinium_ROFL!11:32
thoreauputicselinium_: i have a worm gear ...11:32
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selinium_And i thought we would start to run out of pythonisms :)11:33
_michael_thoreauputic: I heard that size doesn't matter...11:33
Vilijohey does anyone know what might be the problem. I try install windows XP in qemu, but it says it doesn't find any hard drives. I created that .img file but how do I execute a command so that I can start installing windows xp from cd in qemu and also so that qemu finds that hard drive img ?11:33
thoreauputicnod nod, wink wink, say no more!11:34
_d4vidhttp://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/news/archive/parishiltonaddressbook.htm11:34
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selinium_thoreauputic: nods as godd as a wink to a blind man.11:34
VilijoI guess it is easy thing but I just don't get smth and I am novice11:34
NeoChaosX...so you installed Linux first?11:34
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VilijoI am trying to install windows xp in qemu and I am running qemu on ubuntu11:35
thoreauputicselinium_: are you selling something?11:35
NeoChaosXI see11:35
selinium_thoreauputic: my tv card, bit of a go-er? Er, no not really11:35
selinium_thoreauputic: If the pc card appear in the deice manager. it is installed, right?11:36
NeoChaosXVil: if you're trying to install windows so you can run it from Linux, can't help11:36
thoreauputicis it interested in *photography* ....he said knowingly  ;)11:36
selinium_thoreauputic: My typing today is awful. It like i'm hitting the keyboard with a pound of sausages!11:37
NeoChaosXVil: i thought your problem was be about dual-booting11:37
thoreauputicselinium_: at this point I'm afraid I've lost it - I've been here for too long I think...11:37
Vilijonop, it's pc emulator11:38
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selinium_thoreauputic: No you haven't :)11:38
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thoreauputicOK I'm going to take a snity check and get some sleep...11:41
thoreauputicheh *sanity11:42
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selinium_thoreauputic: Sleep well!11:42
_michael_Say HI to sanity for me11:42
thoreauputicselinium_: thanks11:42
thoreauputic_michael_: haven't been acquainted with sanity lately ;-)11:42
thoreauputicgood night!11:43
Adrenalwhy do bad things happen to good people?11:43
_michael_What happened Ad ?11:44
selinium_?11:44
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selinium__michael_: Can you help with my tv card problem?11:46
_michael_selinium_: sorry. A bit new to ubuntu, and not vastly experienced with Linux...11:46
selinium__michael_:  Me too!11:46
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selinium__michael_: I have been running ubuntu for a week. I have stopped using windows. I wish i had discovered linux years ago.11:47
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_michael_selenium_: Heh. I've tried most distributions on-and-off over the last 8 years or so. Installed Ubuntu last night, and loving it atm.11:48
cbgbselinium i do agree with you11:49
_michael_The only problem I have is my occasional games addiction, but the consoles have caught up enough for me now...11:50
selinium_It is getting to the point were buying a dedicated games machine seems like a good idea! No viruses, online gameing. And use ubuntu for everything else!11:51
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_michael_selenium_:Absolutely. It seems that the only reason to upgrade PC hardware these days is for games, and you can buy a console (or a few) for the price of a top graphics card !11:52
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da_bon_bon_michael_: updating ?11:54
_michael_da_bon_bon: You still around ? Once thie update finishes unpacking, do I just reboot, then do the remove of xfree etc., or do that before reboot ?11:54
_michael_ROFL11:55
_michael_Your timing is impeccable11:55
da_bon_bon_michael_: before reboot11:55
selinium_That was strange!11:55
_michael_da_bon_bon: okay.11:55
da_bon_bon_michael_: it finsihed alread y ?11:56
_michael_da_bon_bon: Finished the download. still unpacking though.11:56
da_bon_bon_michael_: OMG! it took me 9 hours11:56
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da_bon_bontritium: hiya11:57
tritiumhi da_bon_bon11:57
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da_bon_bontritium: YAY! gaims updated to 1.1.411:59
tritiumcool11:59
da_bon_bontritium: u still not updated ?11:59
da_bon_bononly fucking firefox is not upgraded11:59
tritiumda_bon_bon, earlier I did, yes11:59
iftherewerealitthi, i have a question - i am wanting to install ndiswrapper, i have downloaded the .deb file of the debian repository from my working internet connection in windows, rebooted to ubuntu and gone to install it to no luck, how do i go about it?12:00
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_michael_da_bon_bon: Do I want to keep my current ide-devfs.sh ?12:01
da_bon_bon_michael_: have u changed it ?12:02
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_michael_da_bon_bon: Not that I know of...12:02
da_bon_bon_michael_: then no12:02
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_michael_selinium_: Problems ?12:04
iftherewerealittany ideas?12:05
selinium__michael_: only that i keep closing the wrong window. DOH!12:06
_michael_iftherewerealitt: When you say "no luck", what have you tried, and what happened ?12:06
iftherewerealitti have tried using synaptic but it doesn't respond to the file12:07
iftherewerealitti just don't know how to install a deb file thats all12:07
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basculedpkg -i foo.deb12:07
spazeryHi, is it possible to share an internet connection with a xp machine and a linux machine without using a router. Im using direct connection through network cards with a crossover cable12:07
spazeryi can ping the 2 machines and use a samba server but im not sure how to share the net connection12:08
basculeneeds an iptables script, I am not sure on it, you can find examples easily enough12:08
_michael_which machine is the internet connected to ?12:08
basculeone acts as the gateway for the other and a few bits more ..12:08
spazerythe xp machine12:08
basculeusing XP as the gateway, then you can use XPs ICS, no I don't know how ;)12:09
_michael_you can use internet connection sharing on XP, and configure the Linux box with the right IP. I don't know more than that.12:09
basculeICS - Internet connection sharing12:09
Hedgehog?????12:09
spazeryok il have a go, thanks12:09
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basculeYeah having XP front out to the net and linux behind, not the way I'd do it ;)12:10
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_michael_da_bon_bon: what is ubuntu-desktop ? I went to remove xfree, but it was already gone...12:12
da_bon_bon_michael_: ok. ubuntu-desktop installs polypaudio for you.12:13
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_michael_da_bon_bon: what's that ? It's giving me a warning about not being authenticated.12:13
[m0rph] hi12:13
da_bon_bon_michael_: after that, reboot, and read http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html12:13
[m0rph] I chose "German" as my locale in gdm, but some gnome programs are still in english, e.g gnome-panel, nautilus. How can I change that?12:14
_michael_okay. off for reboot into Hoary !12:15
da_bon_bonguys - have a look and tell me how is she - http://www.santabanta.com/wallpapers/rating.asp?catid=40907812:16
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basculeda_bon_bon: yum12:18
basculenot as in the redhat rpm thing though, yum as in chocolate12:18
da_bon_bonbascule: :)12:18
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bascule;)12:18
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_michael_Seemed to work ;o)12:18
da_bon_bon_michael_: no immediate problems, like resolution and stuff ?12:19
da_bon_bonbascule: http://www.santabanta.com/wallpapers/rating.asp?catid=43405512:19
_michael_da_bon_bon: It actually used the resolution I tried to store. Warty kept resetting it.12:19
da_bon_bonbascule: http://www.santabanta.com/wallpapers/rating.asp?catid=40306312:19
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_michael_da_bon_bon: no sound though, but I haven't done what was in the HTML link yet12:20
da_bon_bon_michael_: do it and sound will be no issue12:20
_michael_da_bon_bon: Hmm. seems I have less resolutions available - much more limited ?12:21
medutishi, i have a question: when applying for CD shipping, the default number is '10'. Does it mean, that the distribution comes with 10CD, or default number of 10 copies?12:21
umarmungmedutis, 10 copies of 2 cds12:22
medutisi need only 1 copy of ubuntu12:22
_michael_logging for sound update...12:22
da_bon_bon_michael_: xorgconfig in the terminal. and, is system prefs. multimedia systems selector... select both ESD12:22
da_bon_bonmedutis: distro is only 1 cd. by defualt u get 10 cds12:22
da_bon_bonmedutis: then select12:22
da_bon_bon112:22
medutisthis means, 20 CDs ? :] 12:22
umarmungmedutis, yes, livecd+installcd12:22
_michael_da_bon_bon: okay..12:22
medutisi selected 1, so i'll get 2.. live+install cd's ?12:22
umarmungmedutis, yes12:22
medutisthank you12:23
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ompaulhi I was trying to use the gnome front end for configuring the modem didn't work out any ideas? this machine is currently up and running on ppp0 using a knoppix disk - given that it won't work with hoary array 512:32
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ompaulhi I was trying to use the gnome front end for configuring the modem didn't work out any ideas? this machine is currently up and running on ppp0 using a knoppix disk - given that it won't work with hoary array 512:45
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umarmungompaul, dsl modem?12:46
ompaulnope pots12:46
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lenhiya, i want to try LILO... to install it is it ok to remove GRUB then Install LILO?12:49
VjazAnyone know if it's possible to configure a GNOME icon theme so that if an icon is not found in the theme, a dummy icon is displayed instead of a default theme icon?12:50
ompaullen it is but that kind of thing makes no sense what has happened, are you unable to boot your windows?12:50
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lenompaul: no.. i was about to upgrade to 10-4-k7 kernel and it says that LILO is recomended.12:51
lenompaul:  so i was thinking of doing it, but i am unsure12:52
ompaullen na go for the nice grub it is supposed to automagically capture the new kernel12:52
lenompaul: i don't have windows12:52
ompaullen snap :)12:53
lenompaul: k, thanks for advice.. i will keep grub12:53
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oz_ehemm.. sound check.. testing testing.. :)01:24
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k-manevening all01:24
oz_hey k-man.. nice to see someone talking01:24
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OctavianI am having a strange problem, for some reason has soon as hotplug begins its module checks, it just hangs there until I have to force shutoff01:26
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ulas2any one here experiencing this no audio problem with hoary!!!01:26
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oz_ulas2: you betcha - all sorts01:27
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ulas2oz_, any solutions pal?01:27
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ulas2oz_, or any signs what is the reason?01:28
oz_I've changed to ALSA default sink01:28
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ulas2oz_, gstreamer properties?01:28
Xappei've turned off that beast called plypaudio01:28
oz_seems to help a bit - had to leave input as oss.01:28
ggolhi everybody here i am new both to ubuntu and irc and have a problem with my sony vaio nootebook modem01:28
Xappe*polypaudio01:28
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HFusionDoes Hoary (array-5) include the nv 6629 drivers, or they have to be downloaded?01:28
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jazzkahi!01:29
chibifsHello :)01:29
oz_ulas2: from system->preferences->media selector01:29
drraknanyone tried installing beagle from source lately? (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto) DBus seems to be 0.23 while 0.23.1 is required. If I install 0.23.1 from source, will it break all of my dbus-using apps? Am I just doing something foolish? :)01:29
jazzkaI'm installing ubuntu, and partitioning the hard drive01:29
jazzkaI dont see any option to set a swap partition, help!!01:30
oz_jazzka: a bit of advice - avoid reiserfs until v4.01:30
ulas2oz_, hmmm. are you able to run gnome-volume-control ?01:30
chibifsHeh, I think reiserfs3 is fine. :P01:30
oz_ulas2: yes runs fine.01:30
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jazzkaI'm ok with ext3 or ext201:31
ggolsombody  here who has experience with soft modems ?01:31
ulas2oz_, damn!! i get segfault01:31
oz_chibifs: until you try to run selinux.01:31
jazzkahow can I set a swap partition?01:31
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cblacklo folks01:32
oz_ulas2: what module?01:32
jazzkawhich is the mount point for a swap partition?01:32
HFusionwhich packages should be installed to upgrade the nvidia driver in hoary?01:32
ulas2oz_, snd_emu10k101:32
oz_ulas2: try  tail -f /var/log/messages01:33
HFusion... and is the order relevant?01:33
Xappejazzka, just create the swappartition and I think ubuntu will use it01:33
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jazzkaok, doesnt ubuntu fit in 250 MB ?01:33
oz_jazzka: there is no real mount point"...01:34
oz_ulas2: any more inof in messages?01:34
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floschhi01:34
ulas2oz_, the strangest thing.. everything seems to be working i can see the analyzer in xmms gone wild. but no sound. not even a single bit of an information01:35
oz_ulas2: I heard about someone earlier that had a problem with the volume control (set to zero)01:36
oz_ulas2: Anyone know where the PCM conf file lives?01:37
ulas2oz_, i had this with warthy.. that was the first thing i tried with alsamixer. but hey thanks anyway. i will investigate this in deep to get more clues. then i will get back to you...01:37
oz_ulas2: cheers mate.01:38
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mdkehi i can't mount my smb share on another computer01:39
mdkethis error in dmesg:01:39
mdkesmbfs: mount_data version 1684370019 is not supported01:39
mdkecan anyone help me out?01:39
mdkethis is the line in fstab01:39
mdke/eustathios/home/matt/music     /media/music  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials01:40
drraknhttp://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2002-July/047060.html01:41
drraknpossibly01:41
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drrakndpkg -l |grep smbmount01:41
mdkehmm01:41
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drraknsory01:42
drraknsorry: smbfs01:42
drraknmake sure that is installed01:42
mdkein both cases not installed01:42
drraknsudo apt-get install smbfs01:42
mdke:)01:42
drraknthen it might work01:42
drraknstupid error message though :p01:42
mdkeyep01:43
mdkety01:43
drraknmight file a bug about that against whatever package mount is in01:43
drraknIMOHO01:43
mdkehmm01:44
mdkehow come?01:44
Edgewhat? a good editor for ubuntu01:44
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drraknmdke: it would be nice if mount said: "what the heck are you doing, please install smbfs"01:45
drrakninstead of just vomiting01:45
ArdieMcan tell me any kget like tool on ubuntu ?01:45
mdkedrrakn, ah you mean an upstream bug?01:45
drraknI'm not sure which is better, I probably depends on the package maintainer :)01:45
drraknerrr01:45
elTigrecould someone help me to compile blender under ubuntu?01:45
drrakns/I/it/01:45
ArdieM(download manager)01:46
elTigremake fails due to not finding "prlock.h"01:46
drraknhmmm, anyway, bbl01:46
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larsrohdinexcuse me... how can i mount my digital camera? connected with usb...01:46
mdkeArdieM, you can use kget probably. d4x is a good download manager as well01:47
ArdieMmdke: thank you01:47
mdkenp01:48
ArdieMhow can i install the standard locales01:48
ArdieMthe german dont work right...01:48
ArdieMapt-get locales ?01:49
ArdieM*install01:49
mdkeyou can use the package manager01:49
mdkesynaptic01:49
mdkethen you can do dpkg --reconfigure locales iirc01:50
ArdieMardiem@chillout:~ $ d4x01:50
ArdieMSegmentation fault01:50
larsrohdin how can i mount my digital camera? connected with usb... anyone?01:50
ArdieMjust plug it in01:50
mdkelarsrohdin, what happens when you plug it in?01:50
ArdieMi think it automounts in media01:50
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larsrohdinnothing, ok ill have a look in media01:51
larsrohdinno only cdroms and floppys...01:51
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larsrohdinbut i found something in synaptic... ill try that01:52
basculelarsrohdin: sudo dmesg, see if it was attached01:52
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heyrhetthow do i get a dual display working?01:53
oz_how do i get a list of locked files?01:53
larsrohdinUSB Mass Storage device found at 201:53
basculels -l /dev/sd*01:54
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larsrohdinbrw-rw----    1 root     plugdev01:55
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larsrohdinanyone?01:57
basculeno /dev/sd*  ?01:57
membreyahmmm is it possible to burn a .bin iso file in ubuntu??01:57
larsrohdinls -l /dev/sda shows brw-rw----    1 root     plugdev01:58
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mdkehi all01:58
mdkesorry again for a n00b question01:58
basculemembreya: yup, I forget hoe though01:58
membreyadamnit!01:58
membreyamdke: that's all we got here :P01:58
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mdkethe libesd package appears to be a reverse dependency of my whole damn system01:58
mdkeis there any way to remove it?01:58
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basculewhat does scs1: unrecignixed op-code 0x51 mean?01:59
mdkemembreya, you have to answer my question now ;p01:59
membreyameans you got too much damn time on your hands :P01:59
basculeheh01:59
membreyait's not in google02:00
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membreyamdke: format c:02:00
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basculemembreya: do you know if it is an ISO? 'file thingy.bin'02:01
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mdkegoddammit02:06
mdkenet connection went down. did anyone answer my question?02:06
membreyabascule: yes it is an iso .bin thingy :)02:07
membreyamdke: sorry everyone's asleep02:07
basculemembreya: so just burn it02:07
mdkek02:07
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basculemdke: why do you want to remove it?02:07
mdkei'm just trying to clean things up02:07
basculemembreya: if file said it was an ISO burn the darn thing02:07
mdkeremove as many packages as i don't use02:08
basculemdke: well you have to avoid the ones with big dep trees02:08
basculejust how it is02:08
mdkelol02:08
membreyait's not in right click I don't understand :P02:08
mdkei would argue that the dep tree is wrong02:08
basculedid file thingy.bin actually return ISO966002:08
membreyawhen? :P02:09
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bascule13:01 < bascule> membreya: do you know if it is an ISO? 'file thingy.bin'02:09
basculewhen you followed that advice :P02:09
membreyai know it's an iso cos I downloaded it :P02:09
membreyaoh :D02:09
membreyahaha02:09
membreyasorry02:09
membreyajust finished work02:09
basculeah, not the same thing, file knows more than you ;)02:10
membreyatalking to idiots drains approximately 1iq point per/ 10 mins02:10
membreyaim running on negative right now02:10
mdkeyou talk to idiots?02:10
basculepatience levels [=+========] 02:10
mdkecharity work?02:10
basculelol02:10
membreyalol02:11
mdketech support02:11
membreyamdke: Internet Banking support :P02:11
mdkeah02:11
membreyaclose enough :)02:11
membreyabascule: Connectix.Virtual.PC.For.Windows.v5.2-QUANTUM.ShareReactor.bin: data02:11
mdkeouch02:11
mdkebbl02:11
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Squirrelhi, is there a command line tool that will list the processes running on my remote windows computer?02:12
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basculemembreya: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/#toc702:14
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basculegoogle string: 'linux converting .bin ISO'02:14
bascule3rd hit, avoid .com like the plague :)02:14
larsrohdini still can't get my digital camera working. i can mount it as either usbfs or vfat. but i can't see any photos in either case... with vfat it shows a file called "dcim" but i can't do anything with it...02:15
membreyadcim is a directory larsrohdin02:15
larsrohdinmembreya, ok, it doesn't look like it to me... i can't open it or anything02:16
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_michael_why is it that my sound worked so seamlessly under warty, bu refuses to do anything under hoary... gah02:16
larsrohdinmembreya, what can i do with it?02:17
membreyahmmm you should be able to cd to it ..but if you cant then im stuck ..havent tried with linux yet02:18
cocol_michael reinstall totem-xine02:18
larsrohdinnot even root has permisson to enter that directory...02:18
_michael_cocol: will try that.02:18
mz2what may have gone wrong in installing hoary when X fails to load up, complaining about the font fixed. and the corresponding fontpath is commented out from xorg.conf gdm and startx both manage to run for a bit (cursor is seen) and then without any error messages it closes and goes back to the consol02:18
mz2e02:18
_michael_cocol: but when I try to test the 'sinks' I get no sound either.02:18
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marcin_anthi - short question02:19
mz2i've tried doing reinstalls of all sorts of important packages related to X11 (at first it crashed when trying to open up X, after the updates/reinstalls it just doesn't open)02:19
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RonnyRaHi02:20
_michael_cocol: nothing.02:20
RonnyRaHow do I get an new screen resolution if i did not select here at the setup?02:20
marcin_antI would like to as if   sudo /etc/init.d/[servicename]  restart  is the only way to manage services on ubuntu?02:20
_michael_RonnyRa: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution.02:20
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marcin_ants/as/ask02:21
RonnyRamichael: haha. I mean a screen resolution i didnt select at the setup02:21
_michael_RonnyRa: I went and used xorgconfig from a terminal.02:21
RonnyRaxorgconfig02:22
RonnyRaHow do you use that?02:23
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_michael_or xf86config for warty I guess..02:23
_michael_basic X config things.02:23
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RonnyRamichael: Dont throw around with programs here. I would rather like to know, _how_ to use them. Even xorgconfig is "command not find" at term02:24
davixwhy can't i access any config screens in the system menu (gnome, hoary)02:24
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_michael_RonnyRa: Sorry then - can't help.02:24
msumuhi people of da free world02:24
cblackany suggestions on a decent thin, flat gtk theme?02:25
VjazIs the only way to add/remove items from the Gnome Applications menu to manually edit .desktop-files in /usr/share/applications?02:25
karlhello everybody02:26
RonnyRahi karl02:26
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karlI just finish to install this great versiion of ubuntu, it look nice02:27
membreyahmm I just plugged in my digital camera and it was recognised02:27
membreya:)02:27
mdkei have a slight problem with nautilus. When I resize the icons to 75/50%, it also resizes the text to the same proportion of the application font setting. this leaves me with tiny fonts in nautilus. Is there any solution to this?02:27
cocol_michael, reinstall mozilla-mplayer or mozplugger02:27
karlbut, someone can help me how to acces my other Windows partitions02:28
karlin fat3202:28
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patrick_goodday02:29
patrick_can somebody tell ,if i go into the right direction?02:29
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patrick_i need to change something in fstab02:29
cocol_michael, or try mplayer-586 mplayer-fonts02:30
patrick_i added an harddisk to fstab, its mounting when booting, but i cant write to it.02:30
patrick_so i hav eto change permissions02:30
membreyapatrick_: what type of FS?02:31
patrick_ext302:31
patrick_i think i have to eddit when im root02:31
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jazzkahi!02:31
patrick_i can acces it through samba but i cant write to it....02:32
jazzkainstalling ubuntu, I got this message: "It wasn't possible to install the selected kernel" kernel package linux-i38602:32
jazzkawhat can I do?02:32
nandijoin #slackware02:33
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patrick_i added an harddisk to fstab, its mounting when booting, but i cant write to it.02:34
patrick_i have to change fstab02:34
patrick_right?02:34
cocolro = rw02:35
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patrick_i've goot now this02:35
patrick_/dev/hdb /mnt/data  ext3  rw,user,auto 0 002:36
patrick_is that correct?02:37
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cocoltry it02:37
mdkei have a slight problem with nautilus. When I resize the icons to 75/50%, it also resizes the text to the same proportion of the application font setting. this leaves me with tiny fonts in nautilus. Is there any solution to this?02:37
patrick_like that its not working02:37
no0ticin firefox, when I click onto a "mailto:" link, it doesnt open anything, instead of opening thunderbird02:37
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patrick_cocol,-- like that its not working02:39
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cocolpatrick_, sorry02:39
Vjazno0tic: you need to configure your "Preferred applications"02:39
demon_mortalhi@all02:39
no0ticVjaz: there already is thunderbird in preferred applications02:39
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Vjazno0tic: you need a script for it to work... (yes I know, it's silly)02:40
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no0ticVjaz: ah, I must control thunderbird is open or not, then launch the proper command, right?02:42
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demon_mortalis somebody out there who will help me with a little gnome prob???02:42
Vjazno0tic: yes02:42
Vjazno0tic: there's a script somewhere in the net if you don't want to whip your own...02:42
clawswhat makes an USB-device pop up on the desktop?  i recompiled my own kernel and now it dosen't do that anymore02:42
no0ticVjaz: very silly :)02:42
no0ticVjaz: thanks02:42
Vjazno0tic: I don't remember where though... might've been mozillazine.org02:42
clawsthe usb work btw - just mount manually02:42
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Vjazno0tic: yeah, I hope it gets fixed02:43
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mdkei have a slight problem with nautilus. When I resize the icons to 75/50%, it also resizes the text to the same proportion of the application font setting. this leaves me with tiny fonts in nautilus. Is there any solution to this?02:44
patrick_ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but can write to it02:44
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patrick_cant02:45
patrick_ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but cant write to it02:45
Vilijocan I operate in file browser with root permissions somehow ?02:45
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demon_mortali've a black cros i the middle of my gnome desktop... and i'm not able to do something against it...   need some help please02:46
mdkeVilijo, applications->system tools->run as different user02:46
mdkeor "gksudo nautilus"02:47
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HavoKwhere i can find a list of unstable repository? (i mean, something like debian/unstable - not universe)02:48
Vilijothanks02:51
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willwhere do i find the reqirements for compiling a prog from source?02:52
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patrick_ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but can write to it02:55
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ClimberHello, I'd like to know if a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB of RAM will work with Ubuntu in a graphical environment?02:56
kratzer54847Blah02:56
XappeClimber, probably if you use a lightweight wm/de02:57
willjust02:57
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jakejarvisn00b needs help installing GCC! when I ./configure, I get the error "You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler."02:59
jakejarvishow do i do that?02:59
kratzer54847 Topic is 'phpBB.de :: Aktuelle Version: 2.0.12 :: Styles-Demo: http://www.phpbb.de/styles/ :: phpBB 2.1/3.0: http://www.phpbb.de/area51/ :: Lust zu Quizzen? Besuch #phpbb.de-quiz'02:59
kratzer54847* Set by naderman on Thu Feb 24 19:08:0002:59
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Xappetry installing build-essentials02:59
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HavoKjakejarvis: usually installing gcc will help =) apt-get install gcc03:00
jakejarvisin the terminal i type apt-get...?03:00
HavoKjakejarvis: being root03:00
jakejarvisok, thanks!03:00
HavoKno problem =)03:00
Xappejakejarvis, sudo apt-get install build-essentials03:00
jakejarvisthanks!03:01
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patrick_can somebody helps a n00b with write permissions03:04
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patrick_ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but can write to it03:06
clawswhat makes an USB-device pop up on the desktop?  i recompiled my own kernel and now it dosen't do that anymore03:06
patrick_can somebody helps a n00b with write permissions03:06
Xappeshoot and someone shall answer thou, as the bible 2k5 nerd edition says03:08
patrick_ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but can write to it03:10
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patrick_i have to change ownership03:10
patrick_but my two braincells are overloaded03:10
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branimirhi all03:12
branimiri have a q..03:12
Xappepatrick_,  umask= 000 maybe?03:12
patrick_no its ext3, i readed somewhere thats not good?03:12
Goshawkhot to run user mode linux on ubuntu?03:12
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SuperLagHow well does Ubuntu run on AMD64?03:12
branimirdoes anyone know of an smart boot manager kind of software that supports booting of an usb device...03:12
SuperLagany major issues, to speak of?03:12
jkSuperLag: no, runs fine here03:12
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jkSuperLag: except for not being able to use win32 codecs in mplayer03:13
SuperLagjk: what about firefox, and all the plugins? (java, flash....)03:13
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jkSuperLag: flash won't work; there is an amd64 java03:14
branimirno one?03:14
SuperLagjk: /query?03:14
patrick_ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but cant write to it03:14
jkSuperLag: why not in the channel? :)03:15
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SuperLagIs this okay?03:15
jkoh sure03:15
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branimirok.. here is a another one.. is it possible to instal ubuntu over lan network?03:19
branimirno? anyone?03:21
housetierbranimir smart boot manager: http://btmgr.webframe.org/03:22
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housetierdon't know if it'll boot from usb03:23
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larsrohdinis it possible to somehow make an iso-file of a copy protected dvd?03:23
branimirhouse: but does it support booting off an usb device?03:24
branimirfor installation03:24
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branimirhousr: i'v tried the latest version but still no usb support03:24
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cartmanis archive.ubuntu.com down?03:24
cartmanCan't connect here03:24
larsrohdinis it possible to somehow make an iso-file of a copy protected dvd?03:25
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robodexhey, anyone know exactly when hoary will be available on shipit?03:31
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FELhello ubuntu-gurus ... is there a network install for ubuntu? I haven't got a CD-Drive.03:32
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branimirFEL: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.213712779103:35
danielsFEL: yep -- see http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/installer-i386/current/, there are netboot images under there somewhere03:36
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FELty.03:36
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Kyaneoshi03:40
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FELhi.03:41
MartokAnybody get the flu yet?03:42
ubernoobMartok: yupp! i caught the ubuntu fever! :P03:43
keyshawn2i had it in october.03:44
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lenhiya, can I share a printer in NFS?  or must i do SAMBA?03:50
housetierlen you can use cups, that way unix, linux, and windows clients can use it03:51
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lenhousetier: only linux (ubuntu) used here.  I have NFS set up already, but i can't find out how to share the printer03:52
housetierlen nfs is only for filesystems03:53
lenhousetier: i kinda figured... thanks for resting my mind03:53
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housetierlen use cups for printing services03:54
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lenhousetrier: k, do i keep the nfs ?03:54
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housetierof course, nfs is for filesystems, cups for printing services03:55
lenhousetier:  cools, thanks for the lesson :)03:56
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Sexytigerhey04:01
SexytigerHow do I install the deb command in my ubuntu?04:01
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msumuhi peoples of da free world04:01
Sexytigerwhen I enter deb it says that the command doesn't exist :\04:02
morchubooSexytiger: use dpkg -i <debfile>04:02
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morchubooSexytiger: if you just want to install something then use Synaptic and install from the repositories if its there04:03
SexytigerI want to install from the backports04:03
morchuboothen edit your /etc/sources.list file and add the repositories. They you can just use Synaptic04:04
Sexytigerdeb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports distribution sections04:05
Sexytigeradd this?04:05
SiRrUsSexytiger very helpfull guide here  www.ubuntuguide.org04:07
farruinns/distributions/ubuntu-backports (iirc) s/sections/main universe whatever you are using04:07
morchubooSexytiger: yes but it will need to be04:07
morchuboodeb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main universe04:07
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morchubooSexytiger: See http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ and follow the example there04:07
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Sexytigerthanks :)04:08
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morchubooSexytiger: np :)04:09
farruinnhm, backports on an ubuntu domain? Is ubuntuforums an official ubuntu domain?04:10
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Sexytigerhmm, I started Synaptic, It says it cannnot make stat to the list or something04:10
robodexSexytiger: run it using sudo or from a root console04:11
farruinngksudo would be better04:11
morchubooSexytiger: you need to update the list - click the relaod button04:11
robodexeither that or do sudo apt-get update04:11
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farruinnbut the launcher in the menu should be 'gksudo synaptic' anyway04:11
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robodexheh it should be04:12
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chtituxhello, my new comunity ;)04:12
robodexbut since I'm running xfce for some reason it just runs "synaptic" without gksudo04:12
Sexytigeryeah, it worked04:13
Sexytiger:)04:13
Sexytigerthanks04:13
robodexbut that's fine because xfce is awesome04:13
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Sexytigerwhy does the deb command not work in the console, if it works in the .list file?04:13
morchubooSexytiger: deb is not a command - it tells apt that the source is for deb packages04:14
FELHello, im new to linux and thought i'd install ubuntu today, i haven't got any CD and would like to install ubuntu via the net. i've read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/howto_view but to be honest, i didnt understand much of it - the new box hasnt got any os atm but i thought i'd just have to dl some disk and write it to a floppy and boot it. .. so far i've downloaded 04:15
morchubooSexytiger: if you have a single <filename>.deb package that you downloaded from elsewhere then you can use dpkg -i <debfile> to install it04:15
Sexytigercan I use dpkg -i http://... ?04:16
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morchubooFEL: doing a net install will download the packages that are on the CD anyway - you might as well download the ISO of the CD and burn it to a CD if you can - that way it available for future use04:16
HavoKis xorg in hoary?04:16
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jkHavoK: yup04:17
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HavoKjk: thanks04:17
morchubooSexytiger: no - dpkg is just for deb files that you have already. Apt is used with repositores to get the debs when you do apt-get (this is what syaptic does) and apt then passes control to dpkg once it (and its dependancies are downloaded) to dpkg to install them04:18
FELmorchuboo, im on a t1 connection and wouldnt mind installing it via the net ... when i read the info i posted earlier it seemed like it assumed i already had debian installed or something ...04:19
morchubooSexytiger: if you have used an RPM distro before dpkg works like doing rpm -i ie. it works on local packages (only much better :))04:19
Sexytigeryes, I used RH some time ago and rpm's were allways giving me problems04:20
Sexytigerthis apt-get thing is wonderful04:20
Ed_GeinAnyone have any luck setting up oddcast-jack on Ubuntu04:21
morchubooFEL: ahh well Ive never had nned of a net install so cant help im afraid - whats the link to the info you read - i could gve it a quick read...04:21
karimwhy does ubuntu try to use quik rather than yaboot as a boot block on powerpc ?04:21
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FELmorchuboo - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/howto_view04:21
morchubooSexytiger: welcome to deb distros! no more dependancy hell!04:21
Feitens04:22
Sexytigerthis makes linux much more easy to work with04:22
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Vjazmorchuboo: On RPM distros, the dependency hell is there because of installing external packages. On Debian, there are a lot more packages so you rarely have to do that, but if you do, you can get equal dependency hell just the same.04:24
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ivalladtI just installed a new SCSI CD-ROM but it's not listed in totem's optical device preferences, any ideas?04:28
karimhow can I use yaboot instead of quik for the bootblock configuration on power mac ?04:29
chtituxHow can I change the root passwd after the installation ?04:30
NermalLaptoppasswd04:31
NermalLaptopor sudo su04:32
NermalLaptopand then passwd04:32
chtituxok04:32
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Vilijohello, how do I bunzip a bz2? If I use -dv as flags it just unbz it and leaves the .tar04:34
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NermalLaptoptar xjvf04:35
Vilijothanks04:36
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pepsiAn00b1504:40
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ArdieMwhere is k3b ?04:42
apokryphosArdieM: If you've downloaded it, you can access it by: Alt+F2 > k3b04:42
ArdieMlol it is not preinstalled04:42
ArdieMLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL04:42
ArdieMhahahahaha ^^^thanks anyway04:42
apokryphosObviously. Do you not have it?04:43
apokryphosThe repos have it.04:43
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ArdieMi hate kde04:43
apokryphosDr_willis: Very very unlikely. They're based on entirely different things04:43
pepsiDr_willis, what will people fight about then?04:43
apokryphosArdieM: That's a shame; why?04:43
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ArdieMits like a toy04:43
ArdieMgnome is solid simple and clean04:44
apokryphosThat seems like a pretty ungrounded reason for hate; far too subjective.04:44
MartokCommandline is cleaner. ;] 04:44
Dr_willisapokryphos,  i dont mean at the libarary level.. i mean at the 'what the user sees level'04:44
Dr_willisonce they get totally compatioable with each other  i'd call them 'merged' :P from what the no-mnothiong user would see.04:44
ArdieMhaha yes cmdline is da best04:45
apokryphosDr_willis: The look? Well, sure, right now you can make Gnome look exactly like kde and visa versa.04:45
ArdieMbut only 1% auf all humans understand it04:45
apokryphosGnome command line is better? What?04:45
ArdieMthe other would think it is a game04:45
Dr_willisno i mean more the functionality.. like how drag/drop and so forth works. actually i think that may be working now.. :P04:45
pepsi60% of all statistics are made up on the spot04:45
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MartokI think only 1% of all humans understand GNU/Linux itself.04:45
apokryphosDr_willis: Of course, even now, those things are customizable to look just like each other.04:46
apokryphosMartok: I think the percentage is far smaller.04:46
Martok0.5%?04:46
MartokHeh.04:46
apokryphosfar far lower ;), particularly considering that 0.5% of the population of the world probably have only heard of Linux a couple of times.04:47
MartokWhoa, you've blown my mind.04:47
apokryphosSuper deep philosophy04:47
ArdieM1% off al humans can think04:47
neomI think, even those to grasp it, don't necessarily understand it to it's full potential. I know I certainly don't.04:48
ArdieMso i think :) its 0.00000000000000001% who understand linux04:48
apokryphosArdieM: Try telling that to them ;-)04:48
ArdieMhow can you tell a no thinking person that he cant think04:48
ArdieMmuhahahaha04:48
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apokryphosIf anyone quotes Descartes I'll kill them :P04:48
MartokUh oh, Ubuntu is on the decline on Distrowatch.04:48
Dr_willishmm. just realized taht none of the kde apps are in the gnome menus. Dont suppose anyone  has seen a decent fix/way to get them all in there?04:49
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apokryphosIt's not configurable properly at the moment, is it?04:49
Dr_willisor perhaops its because i dont ahve kde on this box yet. :P lets see04:50
apokryphosSame thing in kde; fixed in 3.4, I hear.04:50
neomWe should fund an ad campaign. "Bill wants you, to run ubuntu!"04:50
willwho uses a firewall here on Ubuntu?04:51
apokryphoswill: Linux has a built in firewall04:51
VilijoI try/tried to use it but it seems that my ubuntu fails to open it on startup =O04:51
Dr_willishmm isent there a default set of firewall-like rules allready in place from the get go?04:51
Vilijofirestarter that is04:52
apokryphosoh04:52
Vilijofrom firestarter options I have set it launch on the boot, and that doesn't work I added it to startup programs and it still doesn't launch04:52
Vilijobut I don't mind04:53
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raydoggI installed fglrx-driver but i can't insert it with modprobe ? (says it can't find it )04:55
apokryphosMepis more popular than Ubuntu? I find that interesting.04:55
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mdkei have a problem with nautilus. When I resize the icons to 50/75%, the text under the icons is resized to the same proportion of my application font, which makes too small to read. Is there any way to avoid this, other than having my icon zoom at 100%?04:58
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goedeckeHola05:04
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Quiettihi.  according to the CD, 32mb should be the bare minimum to setup warty.  in practice, it keeps on faling at the step to unpack the lvm udebs.05:09
Quiettiis this a known issue?  how do I work around it?05:09
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Lemonzestdoes the amd64 version pickup all hardware on a DFI LanParty UT NF3 250Gb05:10
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tuxdiscipleWow.. XDCMP built in is very nice... now my laptops can just use my workstation05:12
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abellimdke: maybe because your system is b0rk3d?05:18
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abellimdke: you're saying, that text gets resized as you change icon width.. mine really doesnt05:18
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mdkeabelli, hmm05:19
mdkeabelli, what version of nautilus?05:19
abelli2 9 9105:20
viper12morning all.05:20
abelliviper12: ciao05:20
mdkeabelli, me too05:20
mdkeabelli, bizarre05:20
abellimmm no.. just b0rk3d:))05:20
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mdkei installed yesterday evening05:21
mdkeits totally fresh05:21
viper12has anyone had any luck with the web interface (localhost:631/admin) to setup a network printer?  I've been man paging, web surfing, and I've got to say the achilles heel to linux (imho) is how f'in hard it is to setup a simple home network printer. :(05:21
viper12or arcane and unclear it is.05:21
abelliviper12: what do you mean?05:21
Lemonzestdoes the amd64 version pickup all hardware on a DFI LanParty UT NF3 250Gb05:22
abellimdke: can you tell me what kind of options have you got checked in nautilus options.. even if the most indicated in thi case is seb12805:22
dudwhat's a "DFI LanParty UT NF3 250Gb"??05:22
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mdkeabelli, indicated? lol05:22
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viper12I've got a printer setup locally on one ubuntu machine. works perfectly.  Trying to print on my home network TO THAT PRINTER from another ubuntu machine is the problem.05:22
seb128mdke, abelli: that's a change in nautilus for 2.1005:23
viper12the webmin interface will NOT let me log in. (says admin is disabled for security reasons, and NO user/password combo works. (and yes I've got a root ID setup as well.)05:23
abelliseb128: thank you very much05:23
abelliseb128: you're the one05:23
abelliviper12: yeah.. let's see if we can resolve it05:24
viper12bless you....even if ya can't. lol05:24
abelliviper12: root is evil :)05:24
viper12abelli.....I don't use a root id.......its just setup in case its needed.05:24
mdkeseb128, ty brilliant05:24
mdkeseb128, is there anything i can do about it?05:24
viper12I'm not completely noob regarding this stuff.........but as far as printing......from another linux box....I am. lol. (if it were xp to ubuntu....no issues as samba would work.)05:25
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seb128mdke: nop05:25
abelliviper12: i know05:25
mdkeseb128, how come the change?05:25
abelliviper12: now i got your problem, and "probably" the solution...05:25
viper12nods.05:25
seb128mdke: I don't get the question05:25
abelliviper12: it's here http://www.ubuntuitalia.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=40 ... and its italian05:25
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abelliviper12: :), so let me translate for you05:26
seb128mdke: the zoom is a real zoom, it changes both icons and text05:26
viper12thanks. lol05:26
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mdkeseb128, my problem is that when i resize the icons in nautilus, the text resizes too so that if I want 50% icons, the text is not readable05:26
erlend_has anybody else experienced that gnome stalls for like 5 minutes before it starts? right after i have logged in, it stops.05:26
mdkeseb128, http://mdke.mine.nu/images/nautilus.png05:26
seb128mdke: I understand the issue, but the font is proportional to the icon05:26
mdkeseb128, ok i c05:27
mdkeseb128, is there any alternative way to resize the icons?05:27
seb128no05:27
seb128you can add a comment on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16008005:27
mdkethat is a shame05:27
mdkeok05:27
error_29erland_ , I had the same problem on a previous warty install.  Didn't clock the delay though.  Got tired of looking at brown.05:27
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error_29Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems to me that just moving the mouse nudged gnome into life05:28
mdkeseb128, thanks for your help05:28
seb128np05:28
Lemonzestits a nForce based amd64 motherboard05:28
Vilijohow can I get a kernel-headers package that corresponds to my current kernel?05:28
Lemonzesti want to know if ubuntu is conpatable05:29
dudfrikkin' wikked! I got vmware workstation beta 5 working natively on amd64 :D05:29
dudthats like the greatest news since ww2 ended05:29
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dudLemonzest, I'm running ubuntu 64bit on an nForce based motherboard05:31
Lemonzesti dont care about the sound as i have a sb live, but i wanna know if everything else works, sata, gigabit lan etc05:32
dudyeah, it works05:32
acidwolfand so the struggle of PPC and Hoary continue's05:33
acidwolfsigh05:33
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bedgemine totem player say "Failed to open; reason unknown"it is whit al the exstenions, mov, mpg2 etc.05:35
ud993hi05:35
AcidWolfbedge you need to install the lib for mpeg05:36
dudI'm having some serious trouble deciding here... should I build a ubuntu based distrobution for this client? or go with something else?05:36
bedgeDo you know how this is calt in synaptic05:36
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apokryphos%tell bedge uburestricted05:36
Pyrebedge: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:36
AcidWolfbedge no let me look for it05:36
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AcidWolfill link you05:36
AcidWolf:)05:36
dudits supposed to be a linux alternative, for a smaller computer shop... something like that "configurator" that dell.com has05:36
ud993i am remastering dsl linux, which is based on debian/woody, now i wanted to get some pkgs from ubuntu testing repo, what should i add to sources.list?05:36
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mdkehow are initscripts controlled in ubuntu nowadays? do the rc-update and rc-status commands work?05:37
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arbeckIs there a way I can have a mount mount with the owner as somone other than root?05:37
apokryphosud993: my sources.list:05:37
apokryphos%tell ud993 ubusources05:37
Pyreud993: http://youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list05:37
AcidWolfbedge http://search.belnet.be/packages/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/libm/libmpeg1/05:37
AcidWolfpick your Arch and then download05:38
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AcidWolfto install it do this dpkg -a (name of file)05:38
AcidWolfdpkg -i sorry05:38
AcidWolf:)05:38
mdkehow are initscripts controlled in ubuntu nowadays? seems that rc-update command doesn't exist and there is no obvious GUI to control services <- please help!!! thanks05:39
jakejarvis|awayn00b needs help installing libtool! when i ./configure it, I get "error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" - i just installed gcc05:39
bedgeAcidwolf, i wil keep you in touch. I wil try this stuff05:39
AcidWolfok bedge05:39
AcidWolf:)05:40
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AcidWolfjakejarvis apt-get install libtool05:40
dudhrm, mepis is looking very sharp and userfriendly as well really... but its kde05:40
jakejarvisok, thanks for your help!05:40
AcidWolfand also apt-get istall gcc3 or 405:41
AcidWolf:)05:41
ud993thx Pyre05:41
dudand its not apt heh05:41
AcidWolf??05:41
ud993thx all cu lat0r05:41
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dudl337sp34kzx0rz :o05:42
mdkeplease?05:42
dudkthxbye05:42
AcidWolfhehehe05:42
jakejarvisi just got the error "package libtool has no installation canidate"05:42
AcidWolfapt-get update05:42
AcidWolfjakejarvis05:42
jakejarvisthanks - i'm a huge n00b obviously hehe05:43
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AcidWolfor better yet jakejarvis05:43
AcidWolfhttp://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/libtool05:43
dudmoo05:43
AcidWolfthere ya go05:43
AcidWolf:)05:43
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jakejarvisi guess i'll try that then - i just got the same error after apt-get update05:44
jakejarvisthanks again :)05:44
apokryphosjakejarvis: Might be a good idea to go for the build-essential package, in the repos. Will have most of the stuff you'll need for compiling.05:44
jakejarvisis that on the ubuntu sitie?05:45
jakejarvis*site05:45
AcidWolfe-yup05:45
AcidWolf:)05:45
tulip_anyone can help me? gaim and amsn can-t connect to msn mesenger05:45
jakejarvisthanks :)05:45
AcidWolfjakejarvis,05:45
robodexarg, doesn't ANYONE have an idea about what my DVD drive problem is? It'll read CDs fine, but on DVDs I get 100% cpu usage and it won't read the DVD05:45
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AcidWolfheres a newer version of gcc for you aswell05:46
AcidWolfhttp://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/gcc05:46
abellimdke:  so sup?05:46
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apokryphosjakejarvis: on the site? It's in the repositories. Just called "build-essential"05:46
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jakejarviscool, thanks05:46
robodexhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1680105:46
mdkeabelli, nothing05:46
fred56Hello all05:47
abelliviper12: the wiki is warming up for your meeting :))05:47
nanomadhi everyone. i need help....05:47
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goedecke_Hi05:47
nanomadi've got a pctv rave card but tvtime cant tune any channel. Any ideas?05:47
fred56I need some help to disable xrand x.org extention05:48
abelligoedecke_: ciao05:48
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fred56i'm using warty05:48
viper12again........abelli......thanks for that. :)05:48
AcidWolfbrb05:48
AcidWolfrebooting05:48
abelliviper12: nothing05:49
viper12to me it was.  I've been hunting for that SIMPLE explanation for two days with no clear howto or manpage or forum post.05:49
abelliviper12: this is the first time i touch cups config files.. it seems they like me:)05:49
viper12Well, I knew it had to be SOMETHING like that......heck I got NFS up and running pefectly, and to be stumped over this........felt like an old noob again. heehee05:50
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abelliviper12: :)05:50
bedgeacidwolf, i use the folowing command "dpkg -a libmpeg1_1.3.1-2.1_1386.deb" them the terminal says somthing lik (i have the dutch version so i try to translate it a bit) "I have a action option needed"05:51
fred56Could anybody tell me how to disable randr extention ? I tried to put "Section "Extensions"05:51
fred56        Option "Randr" "Disable"05:51
fred56EndSection05:51
fred56" in xorg.conf but it does not work05:51
Vilijohow can I get a kernel-headers package that corresponds to my current kernel? my current kernel is 2.6.10-3-k7 or so that I have got with apt-get05:51
viper12just verified a print job from open office, btw.......and the output is exactly as needed.05:51
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viper12afk brb05:53
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JDahlVilijo, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.1005:54
Vilijook JDahl thanks05:55
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Vilijothere is only kernel-headers-2.6.8-1 2.6.8-505:56
Vilijoand  kernel-headers-2.4.27-speakup 2.4.27-105:56
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Vilijoam I lacking some repos maybe?05:57
abelliVilijo: what are you looking for if i can?05:57
nanomadi've got a pctv rave card but tvtime cant tune any channel. Any ideas?05:58
abellianybody from the usa here?05:58
jabbath_hi! I've got a sound problem.. (which means "no sound anymore") .. I compiled a new kernel and now it seems, sound is gone :)05:58
jabbath_I compiled the driver for my soundcard (ALSA).. alsamixer and the gnome mixer applet (etc.) are able to change the sound volume; even "basic background noise" gets louder/more quiet.. but that's it.. any suggestions?05:58
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Vilijoabelli ,looking for kernel-headers-2.6.1005:58
JDahlabelli, I live in CA - why?05:58
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abelliJDahl: do you play foosball?05:58
JDahlabelli, no05:59
abelliVilijo: linux-headers-2.6.10-whatyouwant05:59
abelliJDahl: do you know rules?05:59
JDahlabelli, no06:00
AcidWolfim gona have to do a full reinstall06:00
AcidWolf:(06:00
abelliAcidWolf: why?06:00
AcidWolfeeeeep !!!!06:00
AcidWolfcause06:00
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viper12abelli.....I'm in Colorado fyi06:00
AcidWolfi went up to hoary06:00
abelliAcidWolf: you should reboot linux :)06:00
AcidWolfand now everything has gone totally moggy06:00
AcidWolfi did reboot linux06:00
abelliviper12: "do you" foosball?06:00
abelliAcidWolf: arrgggh...06:00
AcidWolfsome of the menu's arent working06:01
abelliAcidWolf: what do you mean with moggy? im a stupid italian :)06:01
viper12I used to once in awhile when I was younger.06:01
AcidWolfmoggy meaning STUFFED UP BROKEN06:01
AcidWolf:)06:01
viper12Acid which menus aren't working?06:01
abelliviper12: is it true that you can countinously spin?06:01
AcidWolfsystem menu in gnome06:01
abelliVilijo: is it working?06:01
viper12I've seen it done...but I was never 'that' good. lol06:02
abelliAcidWolf: have you upgraded g-s-t?06:02
AcidWolfi cant even open root terminal06:02
AcidWolfno06:02
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viper12I'm not sure in tournaments if that's legal though abelli06:02
AcidWolfi did apt-get distro upgarde06:02
AcidWolfuprade*06:02
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AcidWolfthird time lucky06:02
AcidWolfupgrade*06:02
AcidWolf:)06:02
abelliAcidWolf: so please just issue another "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"06:02
AcidWolfi see06:02
AcidWolfhmmmm06:02
Vilijoabelli what working?06:02
viper12acid....have you tried to ctrl-alt-f1,f2 and such?  if so you could probably apt-get gnome again.06:02
abelliAcidWolf: 3 times06:02
viper12(rather than complete reinstall.)06:03
abelliviper12: linux-headers06:03
apokryphosAcidWolf: erm, the command is apt-get dist-upgrade. You did that, right?06:03
AcidWolfno i meant the spelling of upgrade abelli06:03
apokryphosand you did change all the sources appropriately?06:03
AcidWolfyes i did that apokryphos06:03
abelliAcidWolf: does gnome works?06:03
SuperL4gjk: you still around?06:03
AcidWolfgnome works but some of the menus i cant use06:03
abelliAcidWolf: how many update&&dist-upgrade did you issue today?06:04
AcidWolfwell the menus work but some of the apps wont load06:04
AcidWolfnone06:04
AcidWolfi did the upgrade yesterday06:04
abelliAcidWolf: so go for it06:04
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HaRDaWaYhi06:04
AcidWolfand have spent the last 24 hours trying to regain sound and video06:04
abelliremember to update before upgrade06:04
AcidWolf:(06:04
abelliAcidWolf: this is the nice thing with development branch.. cmon06:04
abelliHaRDaWaY: ciao06:04
AcidWolfyes abelli06:05
AcidWolf:p06:05
viper12:D06:05
abelliAcidWolf: your stronger than hoary.. break it06:05
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AcidWolfi know06:05
AcidWolf:p06:05
abelliAcidWolf: make it cry06:05
AcidWolfok06:05
AcidWolfoptions06:05
AcidWolfi need options06:05
viper12that's easy abelli.....just click around on the gnome cups manager for more than 2 minutes. hee hee06:05
AcidWolfsomeone quick gimme something to try06:05
AcidWolf:p06:05
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abelliAcidWolf: what?06:05
AcidWolfanything06:05
robodexAcidWolf: sudo rm -rf /06:06
abelliAcidWolf: update && dist-upgrade NOW... GO FOR IT06:06
abelli:))06:06
abellirobodex: behave :)06:06
robodex;)06:06
robodexhehe06:06
viper12lmao06:06
abelliVilijo: did you get those headers?06:06
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AcidWolfevil06:06
AcidWolflol06:06
abelliVilijo: kernel in ubuntu are named differently from debian06:06
abelli*S06:06
AcidWolfg-s-t06:07
AcidWolfhmmmm06:07
abelliAcidWolf: those will come after06:07
abellinow upgrade this system..06:07
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AcidWolfok06:08
abellimamoo: ciao06:08
AcidWolfjust standard upgrade06:08
abelliAcidWolf: wait06:08
AcidWolfabelli, ok06:08
abelliAcidWolf: "sudo aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade"06:08
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AcidWolfabelli, ok06:08
kbrooksI want to enable mod_python06:08
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Vilijoabelli I got them from a website now06:09
kbrookshttp://kyleb.ath.cx/programs/hi.py doesn't work.06:09
abelliVilijo: no no..06:09
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kbrooksit uses mod_python06:09
abelliVilijo: use ubuntus06:10
abelliVilijo: as i said ubuntu ones are different from common debian kernels..06:10
Vilijoabelli I got them here http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/download.pl06:10
abelliAcidWolf: "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"06:10
acolytewhat to do when on bootup it says: inird.img error 15 file not found? :o06:10
abelliAcidWolf: sorry i forgot a sudo06:10
AcidWolfalready been done abelli06:10
acolyteinitrd.img*06:10
AcidWolf:p06:10
abelliAcidWolf: :)06:10
AcidWolfno sudo needed im already logged in as root06:11
AcidWolf:06:11
AcidWolf:)06:11
abelliacolyte: this is quite bad...06:11
abelliacolyte: what did you do?06:11
abelliacolyte: i mean before getting that message?06:11
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Echylohello hello06:12
acolyteabelli: nothing special... I did some work with dpkg and apt-get upgraded06:12
YomicYo.06:12
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kbrookswhat work?06:12
Echyloanyone knows a channel where they have experience with database?06:12
abelliacolyte: something really bad must have  happened06:12
abelliEchylo: #mysql :)?06:12
abelliEchylo: you can ask in here06:13
Echylono no06:13
Echylomicrosoft brr :p works database file06:13
abelliacolyte: i mean was this the first reboot?06:13
Vilijoabelli how should I install this linux-kernel package? And should I get some other files aswell ?  I am trying to make my kernel sources to match my current kernel06:13
EchyloI need to print adresses to envelops06:13
acolytekbrooks: I --purged a package called printpro, something like cups but then worse06:13
EchyloI can get information from *.wdb & *.txt files06:13
Echylobut I need to print them to envelopes06:13
abelliVilijo: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-whatyouwant ?!?06:14
kbrooksacolyte, 'worse'?06:14
Vilijoabelli there is not the package I want... so I had to download .deb file, but I am a newbie with these.. should I execute that deb06:14
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acolytekbrooks: and I purged and installed the libcupsys2 package, because those 2 were in conflict, but that was all solved yesterday. 'bronson' knows all about it he helped me out06:15
abelliacolyte: was this the first reboot?06:16
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abelliacolyte: initrd.img is something about grub and the kernel..06:16
acolyteabelli: I know, and yes it showed up this morning. When I got to bed last night everything was normal and I could even re-login that same night but this morning when I bootup all went wrong06:17
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kbrooksabelli, no, its the kernel not grub06:18
raydogg``how far is array 5 away from a final version ?06:18
abellikbrooks: yes.. i know..06:18
kbrooksabelli, 'initial ram disk'06:18
acolyteabelli: there are also 2 new entries that I didn't see before, namely a dpkg-temp and dpkg-temp (recovery mode) option in GRUB. They too result in file not found errors06:18
abelliraydogg``: its usable06:18
abelliacolyte: ok this is not nice06:19
Vilijohow to execute a .deb file ? how to install it ?06:19
abellibut can be recovered06:19
abelliVilijo: dpkg -it06:19
abelliVilijo: dpkg -it packagename06:19
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acolyteabelli: good :). Tell me :)06:19
abelliVilijo: "sudo dpkg -it packagename" ... sorry everybody06:19
Vilijook thanks06:19
kbrooksapkg -i06:19
Vilijo:)06:19
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kbrooksdpkg*06:20
abelliacolyte: ok, now you need a live cd06:20
Vilijo-t for test?06:20
abelliVilijo: no idea06:20
Vilijooki06:20
abelliVilijo: "man dpkg" will show you the way06:20
acolyteabelli: do I have one? ghehe lol no.. Need to dl one06:20
abelliacolyte: ok06:20
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abellido you know how to boot from a live cd using an hdd partition as root?06:21
abelliacolyte: AA06:21
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acolyteabelli: AA? no, I don't06:22
abelliacolyte: nice06:22
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abelliok... let me look for an howto06:22
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acolyteabelli: but you've got plenty of time explaining me, cause it's gonna take a while dling the livecd (@171kb/s)06:23
acolyteghehehe :+06:23
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bebekhello06:23
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abelli171kbs?!06:24
bebeki have a strange problem here.. gstreamer detects the sound card, but gnome sound applet doesn't.. the problem is that the volume is too low.. i don't know what to do now...06:24
bebekanyone have any suggestion?06:24
abelliacolyte: that's completely unfair.. here its at most 80kb06:24
abellibebek: what player are you using?06:24
bebekabelli: what did you mean by player? as in xine? i used xine. increasing the volume there doesn't have any effect.06:25
acolyteabelli: ah well, ain't satisfied yet, want to have 300kb/s+ which is easy to accomplish here :)06:25
Vilijoseriously, which one do I have if I have amd athlon processor: amd64,i386,ia64 or powerpc? I have amd athlon 2800+ processor06:25
bebekby the way, i have to load the module opl3sa2 to enable my sound card.. opl3sa2 is in oss section of the /lib/modules/kernel/sound  directory06:26
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acolytevilijo: i386 would be enough :)06:27
abellibebek what driver is xine using?06:27
Vilijoacolyte I do'nt understand... hmm I had to install new kernel because I had i386 module... I had to install k7 for my amd athlon...  but now you say i38606:27
Vilijomy kernel is k706:28
viper12if you have athlon2800, you need (best).........68606:28
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updalahi06:28
acolytevilijo: does Ubuntu have a k7 kernel then?06:28
Vilijoyea it has06:29
viper12you don't need the amd kernels unless you're running the opteron 64 bit processor06:29
updalame again06:29
Vilijowell, I think I am not... or how many bits does 2800+ have06:29
Feiten32 i think.06:29
updalai want to get Xorg with apg-get ,, what is its name? and how should i install it?06:29
viper1232 bits vil06:30
updalai tried apt-get install xdmx but it doesnt work..06:30
robodexupdala: the only way to get xorg is to upgrade to hoary06:30
Vilijoand which one is closest to 686 of these: i386,powerpc,ia64,amd64 ?06:30
bebekabelli: umm. how do i know that?06:30
abelliwait .. you are too fast for me06:30
updalarobodex: you mean apt-get dist-upgrade right?06:30
Vilijowonder if there is a website to explain all those terms06:30
robodexupdala: yeah06:30
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abelliVilijo: there is a 686 kernel06:31
abelliVilijo: ahh you mean headers?06:31
Vilijoyes....06:31
abellibebek: in options06:31
viper12Vil, the amd processors that aren't the newest 'opteron' class are x86 compatible.  They have to be in order to run x86 architecture software...thus 686 will work fine with you 2800 processor.06:31
acolyteabelli: found anything yet?06:31
abelliacolyte: just a second06:32
updalarobodex: but i dont use ubuntu, i wanted to get some ubuntu pkgs only from damnsmalllinux which is also based on debian..06:32
Vilijomy kernel is k7 and now I need 2.6.10.3 kernel header from here: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/linux-headers-2.6.10-3 but there isn't k706:32
updalarobodex: how can i upgrade then?06:32
bebekabelli: there's no option for selecting the driver in my xine....06:32
Vilijoso do I take i386 ?06:32
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robodexupdala: if you change the warty to hoary in the sources you should be able to get xorg06:32
viper12take the i686 version Vil06:32
abelliVilijo: there are linux-headers for 68606:32
acolyteabelli: np06:32
abellirobodex: he isnt using warty06:32
Vilijoviper, I do'nt see i686 being available06:32
abellibebek: there is06:33
abellibebek: but i need time to find it06:33
viper12look at this page:   http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-5/06:33
updalarobodex: i have alreadz changed my sources.list to hoary06:33
abelliVilijo: im not an alcohol addicted    linux-headers-2.6.10-4-68606:33
robodexhmm, did you try xserver-xorg?06:33
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abelli linux-headers-2.6.10-4-686                               - Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV06:34
viper12Vilijo, the iso's are listed 386 for compatibility.  you apt-get or synaptic to the 686.06:34
updalarobodex: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse06:34
StoffBox-Steveupdala, apt-cache search xorg  , find somethink ?06:34
abellibebek: are you using hoary06:34
bebekabelli: yes06:34
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robodexwell I'm currently running warty so I can't help you too much06:35
robodexafaik it's xserver-xorg06:35
updalaStoffBox-Steve: yes it finds xfree86-common06:35
abellibebek: try killall esd06:35
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Vilijophhfff.. I installed i386 hoary, upgraded my kernel to k7 now . Can I get kernel headers for this ?06:35
bebekumm:  esd: no process killed06:36
abellibebek: right06:36
adhamhi, i have a burning problem.................06:36
abellibebek: it's ok06:36
bedgei hope your house doesn burn ;-)06:36
adhamnautillus-cd-burner fails to burn (HOARY)06:36
StoffBox-Steveupdala, you postet >deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse<  have > main restricted  , too ?06:36
abellibebek: so what happens if you right-click on the volume applet?06:36
Vilijoand abelli, those 686 headers you listed doesn't match, does it matter? you say 2.6.10-4 and I have -306:36
bedgethan you are on the wrong place with the "burning problem"06:36
StoffBox-Stevemust find more than that i think updala06:37
updalaStoffBox-Steve: no i dont so i have to add main + restricted too?06:37
updalaa new line?06:37
bebekabelli: i can't even load it. it says "no mixer" or something like that06:37
abelliso you need an oss mixer06:37
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abellibedge: why?06:38
bebekabelli:yes06:38
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bebekabelli: i don't know any oss mixer..06:38
StoffBox-Stevemaybe a good way .. im using warty so i dont no where Xorg is in, but search the whole list is a good way :) try it06:38
StoffBox-Steveupdala,06:38
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abelliok.. im just writing random words to create entropia: thinking06:38
updalaStoffBox-Steve: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted          right?06:38
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robodexaaaaa!06:39
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updalahe?06:39
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bebekany oss mixer out there?06:39
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PyreACTION coughs06:39
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acolyteabelli: gonna be afk for a while06:40
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abelliacolyte:06:40
abelliok06:40
abellibebek: gstreamer0.8-oss06:40
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bebekoh....06:40
flatfoothttp://www.freewebtown.com/gogl/kuw.exe sex movies Arab!06:40
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updalaStoffBox-Steve: now apt-cache search xorg finds more..06:41
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acolyteabelli: 32% by now, 40 min remaining, so :)06:41
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updalahow can i install all Xorg related pkgs?06:42
MindZEyeDoes anyone know of a good resource for building .deb files from source?06:42
apokryphosupdala: are you on hoary?06:42
ntollmy sound just stopped working06:42
abelliupdala: what distro?06:42
abellintoll: well work it out06:42
updaladamn small linux remaster06:42
ntollWorked fine yesterday, but today nothinng06:42
abelliMindZEye: the apt manual from debian.org06:43
StoffBox-Steveyes, i updatet mylist too :) installing the xorg-common  updala06:43
updalaits from damnsmalllinux.org with some changes06:43
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abelliupdala: i dont think its safe to uprade to hoary06:43
fr500updala: try apt-get install xorg*06:43
MindZEyeCheers.06:43
updalaaha06:43
abelliupdala: but let's try it.06:43
ntollabelli ,yeah thanks for your help. Obvious with a genius like you who is always welcome to offer advice like that I'll have no problem06:43
ironwolfabelli: define safe?06:43
abellintoll: ohhh.. why being sarcastic06:44
abelliironwolf:06:44
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abelliironwolf: that your next step shouldnt be suicide06:44
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updalaohh no xorg wants more then 200 mB..06:44
ntollo.k. I get th emessage that /dev/dsp doesn't exist. Nevertheless its certainly there... Any ideas? A trawl of google doesn't help06:44
ironwolfabelli: I'm running hoary on multiple systems, even did an update today, things seem safe and stable this morn.06:44
CountDownWhen I put a CD in my CD drive, I can access it through XMMS, but I can't access it through the file system... /cdrom is empty.  Any idea why this is so?06:44
abelliupdala: you cant install only hoary06:44
StoffBox-Stevexorg need its ohn libs updala, thats why06:45
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StoffBox-Steveown06:45
abelliironwolf: yes but you cant upgrade from damnsmall to hoary without pain..06:45
raydogg``how come the ubuntu live cd correctly identfies my card, but the array-5 doesn't >?06:45
abelliironwolf: but ill be happy to try it06:45
raydogg``card = video card06:45
StoffBox-Stevedo you try install xorg* updala?06:45
ironwolfabelli: damnsmall?06:45
updalaStoffBox-Steve: yes06:45
abelliironwolf: updala is using it06:45
StoffBox-Stevewait updala06:45
ntollabelli, if you think I'm asking here and assuming I have not tried to work it out myself then that shows you don't seem to have a high opinion of the users of this chan06:46
StoffBox-Steveupdala, you have an ATI card ?06:46
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abellintoll: im just optimistic06:46
abelli:))06:46
ironwolfntoll: users come in all shapes and sizes. :)06:46
ntollabelli, I have tried to, I just need to pick ppls brains...06:46
updalaStoffBox-Steve: yes.. i want also that opengl thing..06:46
ntollquite06:46
StoffBox-Steveok06:46
abellintoll: i wont judge you for nothing in this world... sorry if it seemed so06:46
StoffBox-Stevejust wait a min06:47
ntollabelli, np, apologies for the sarcasm06:47
abellintoll: :)06:47
ntollI just don't see whats happened. It can't be the hw as knoppix ad windows both work06:47
ntollI haven't installed anything06:47
error_29hello all.  Can somebody help me -- How can I get NickServ to stop nagging me for my identity and password everthing time I log on?06:47
ntollor apt-got it06:47
abellintoll: can you tell me what modules knoppix load?06:48
ntollalsa06:48
ntollmy modules load too06:48
updalawhats xorg-dbg?, its 60 mb big06:48
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abellintoll: ok06:48
StoffBox-Steveupdala, i think this one get all you nett > sudo -s apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx xorg-common xserver-org xserver-org-dbg fglrx-kernel-source06:49
horay_testerHi allllllllllll06:49
StoffBox-Stevenett = need06:49
ntollwhich is the funny thing, everything seems to load ok, but no sound06:49
horay_testerI am back.06:49
bebekdoes anyone know if i can suspend my laptop in ubuntu?06:49
horay_testerYou can.06:49
horay_testerbut u need to unload some modules first,06:49
bebekwhich one?06:49
updalaStoffBox-Steve: thx..06:49
horay_testerdepends on ur hardware, do u use hoary?06:50
bebekyup06:50
StoffBox-SteveNTN updala, :)06:50
updalaStoffBox-Steve: do i have to recompile my kernel so fglrx worx?06:50
CountDownerror_29: You should register a nick.06:50
horay_testerme too. I could not yet recover completely from hibernation (sleep to ram does not work !)06:50
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fr500sleep to ram or standby works in warty with the wiki instructions for me06:51
abellintoll.. no dsp06:51
abelliok06:51
StoffBox-Steveas i know, normly not  but you can there for  is the knerel-source, updala06:51
horay_testerwhfr500 at laptop do u have06:51
ntollno dsp06:51
CountDownupdala: Sorry, on what machine are you running?06:51
fr500i have a toshiba a2006:51
horay_testerfr500 Which laptop u have?06:51
fr500didnt work out of the box06:51
updalaCountDown: why do you ask? its a normal p3 with an ati-card06:52
ntollI can see /dev/dsp if I look  but if I try esd -d /dev/dsp I get /dev/dsp: No such device06:52
horay_testerdoes it use apm ? excuse me but I dont know really what the model means, is it new?06:52
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horay_testerdoes it use acpi?06:52
staticoany powerbook users here?06:52
bebeki don't know what's acpi.. can anyone share a light?06:52
AcidWolfstatico im a powerbook user06:53
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CountDownupdala: I just joined... I don't think you need to recompile the kernel to get fglrx going, but there are problems with sleep on laptops.06:53
staticoAcidWolf: have you remapped your command key somehow?06:53
updalaStoffBox-Steve: if i apt-get my kernel (i have a mini 2.4.**), do you think something would break?06:53
AcidWolfstatico no i havent06:53
fr500horay_tester, it uses acpi06:53
fr500it's not that new06:53
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CountDownupdala: Ah, didn't realize you had an older kernel.06:53
horay_testercheck out this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM/view?searchterm=suspend%20hoary for suspend instructions06:53
updalaCountDown: i m building a remaster of dsl.. so it should also work on laptops (on newer one)..06:54
horay_testerI dont care much about suspend yet, sinc ubuntu boots much faster than suse did, and I like a freash start each time.06:54
horay_testerMy first priority is to understand why CD BURNING DOES NOT WORK! sorry for shouting but it iggiiis me06:55
StoffBox-Stevehmm, hard to say updala i never work with xorg jet, xfree mit nvidia driver are good for me :)06:55
StoffBox-Stevemit / with06:55
horay_testerAlles Gute Stoff06:55
CountDownupdala: Unfortunately, ATI's fglrx driver doesn't play well with sleep or suspend.  This is a known problem that has no solution except for waiting for ATI to get their act together, either by open sourcing their drivers or fixing them.06:55
horay_testerI gathe no one here have trouble burning cd's......06:56
neighborleeis it possible to format a thumb drive in linux as i'm not finding options for it under right click the desktop icon for it ...?06:56
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CountDownHow does one copy .WAV files from a CD to the harddrive?06:56
horay_testerWhere should I cry for help?06:56
StoffBox-SteveATI an open there source CountDown? ... windwos will be free software befor ... *lol*06:56
horay_testeruse cd ripper CountDown06:57
CountDownStoffBox-Steve: That's a fact.06:57
horay_testersearch for which application has the keywork rip in synaptic06:57
Nonphasissound juicer?06:57
Nonphasisis it in warty?06:57
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CountDownhoray_tester: Thanks.  That seems to work.  :)06:58
horay_testershould be06:58
error_29Thanks CountDown , actually I did already register the nick.  That's why I don't understand why I have to keep id'ng myself06:58
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CountDownerror_29: Ah, you have to identify yourself to the nickserv.  You can do this with06:58
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StoffBox-Stevei`m away, dinner is ready be back about 30 - 60 min.06:59
fizgig10Is this where we can talk about hoary?06:59
ironwolftalk away fizgig10. :)06:59
CountDownerror_29:  /msg nickserv identify <password>06:59
gniicould someone recommend a high spec laptop that is most compatible with ubuntu. I'm after something semi-portable but not a desktop replacement06:59
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Xen0nHello room06:59
fizgig10:)  Well, I've got a problem06:59
CountDowngnii: What do you want to use the laptop for?06:59
verbalshadowhi06:59
ironwolffizgig10: ASK your question about your problem.06:59
viper12gnli:  I'm using a compaq x1000 series machine (centrino/wifi/etc.) and ubuntu installed beautifully on it.07:00
fizgig10My network goes down in about 3 minutes after I start it up07:00
fizgig10I use ndiswrapper07:00
error_29Yes, thank you CountDown , that I know.  That's the point.  Everytime I open xchat I have to do that?  Is there no way for NickServ to remember for at least a reasonable amount of time?07:00
Xen0nI just unstalled Ubuntu, and I am fairly new to linux...07:00
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gniithanks viper07:00
ironwolfwelcome Xen0n07:00
Xen0nIf I do anything...Ubuntu locks up07:00
Xen0nThank you, Ironwold07:00
viper12np gnli07:00
Xen0nwolf*07:00
fizgig10my laptop shutdown by itself last night.  I turned it back on this morning and had a problem associated with the .ICE(something) file07:00
CountDownerror_29: Oh, I don't know.  I just figured that out yesterday, so let me know if you come up with anything.  :)07:00
Nonphasiserror_29, Server/Edit this menu in xchat07:00
fizgig10I renamed that file and I was then able to log in07:00
Xen0nIs there some way I can run a debug?07:01
Xen0nOr some kinda of update?07:01
fizgig10Now I have this new network problem07:01
gniicountdown: it's will mostly run openoffice and vmware as it's for our client services director. But it will also be used for devel work (postgres, python, twisted)07:01
ironwolffizgig: no clue.... perhaps a wizard is in.07:01
error_29Thanks Nonphasis and CountDown.  I'll try07:01
Xen0nAlso... It seems asif the USB Daemon keeps crashing...07:01
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gniicountdown: so lots of ram, quite powerful, not bothered about games, big disk07:02
fr500horay_tester, doesnt work? i can burn with nautilus or gnomebaker just fine07:02
viper12gnli, are you locked into any hardware vendor for that laptop?  (some companies are.)07:02
gniino it's my company so we can buy anything07:02
tolstoy_when you put scripts in /etc/cron.hourly, where does their output go?  A script I put in there doesn't seem to have run at all.07:02
gniiwell, within reason :-)07:02
viper12the hp/compaq's and ibm thinkpads are really pretty compatible. (IBM's better be....they're dumping 100mil into opensource this year. :D  )07:03
JDahlXen0n, I am not sure how helpful it would be to you, but normally you would run "strace <command|daemon>" to figure out what's wrong07:03
viper12Haven't heard to many complaints about newer dell's either.07:03
gniiMy thoughts were ibm I must admit07:03
gniibut they have so many varieties and it's not clear why :-)07:03
Xen0nAlso...07:03
viper12those thinkpads are sweet.  I love this compaq widescreen though.  best lcd of the bunch, imho. 1280x80007:03
horay_testerfr500 can u burn more than 550 MB files07:03
fr500horay_tester, have u tried gnome baker?07:04
fr500i burned playboy mansion iso from linux07:04
fr500so i guess it's fine07:04
Xen0nUmmm07:04
Xen0nbad?07:05
gniiI've currently got it running on a little sony vaia (C1) which is cool but tiny and slow07:05
updalawhats the difference between xserver-xorg and xserver-org-dbg ??07:05
Xen0n"etc/apt/source.list" is empty...07:05
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Xen0nThere is nothing that file...07:05
Xen0nIs that bad?07:05
viper12those are cute, but 'toys' imho.  The Viao machines are really 'imac-cool/chic' though.07:05
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fr500the only proble i've found with gnomebaker is vbr mp3  burning to audio cds07:05
Zugotubuntu on my laptop is killing me07:06
gniiyeah.. it's nice for a 'last resort' laptop that you can take anywhere, especially with the 12 hour battery07:06
viper12lol.07:06
viper12what's wrong Zugot?07:06
gniibut I can't do any serious devel on it.07:06
Zugotviper12, nic drivers suck07:06
horay_testerStrnge, I cannot burn, I have so many coasters now,.... its annoying07:06
viper12what nic Zug?07:06
Zugotand the amd64 ubuntu does weird things to my laptop07:07
fr500horay_tester, u cannot burn at all?07:07
Zugotviper12, broadcom 802.11g internal thing07:07
viper12for dev though gnli.........go with a mid-range thinkpad(price-wise).07:07
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JDahlXen0n, that's very bad... I doubt your installation is complete07:07
Zugotso i maxed the ram in my laptop and now i run windows in a vmware session07:07
viper12laptop brand zud?07:07
viper12laptop brand zug?07:07
Zugotnot too bad... since i have to run vmware anyways07:07
Zugotcompaq07:07
Zugotpresario07:07
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Zugotits not a bad laptop07:08
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fr500why do u have to run vmware?07:08
viper12its not centrino though is it?07:08
Zugotbut i think i'm selling this and getting an apple powerbook07:08
Zugotfr500, because i do alot of testing with different linux environments07:08
CountDownhoray_tester: I tried using Sound Juicer, but on startup I get "The currently selected audio profile is not available on your installation."  Then, when I try to extract, the application quits.07:08
Zugotviper12, hell no... its an amd 64 320007:09
Zugot+07:09
viper12saw some 'stuff' in the not perfect category regarding the broadcom wifi units.  My presario x1000 is using the intel LAN2110 3B wifi and have no issues.07:09
viper12er 2100 3b07:09
Zugoti just run linux in a vm... and then using cywin as my x server07:09
Zugotit aint too bad at all07:09
viper12thats cool...vmware right?  what version?07:10
Zugot4.507:10
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viper12buddy of mine's company is moving their data center over to vmware.....gonna save them a zillion in 'iron' after the move.07:10
Zugotwe are moving lots of servers to vmware esx07:11
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NonphasisXen is going to be interesting too07:11
Zugotand vmware full screen with ubuntu... you can't even tell its a vm07:11
Xen0nGrrr07:11
Zugotits actually pretty nice07:11
Xen0nEverything keeps crashing in Ubuntu!07:11
gniiI/m using vmware5 on ubuntu and it's excellent... runs almost as fast as native07:11
viper12yep....with server farms running multiple OS's, its a no-brainer.07:11
Zugotgnii, i'll wait to its released07:11
Zugoti have 3 vm sessions up right now...07:11
Xen0nAnyone mind helping me?07:12
Zugoti'm building a redhat kickstart script07:12
Zugotchatting on here07:12
gnii