[12:06] <blindert> Has anyone experience getting Enlightenment DR 17 to run on Ubuntu?
[12:08] <erni> hi
[12:08] <erni> IO have a  problem
[12:08] <erni> i can't mount my cdrom
[12:08] <erni> i get an error mess
[12:09] <ompaul> erni, data or music?
[12:09] <erni> mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist
[12:09] <erni> it doesn't matter
[12:09] <erni> i couldn't mount it
[12:09] <erni> because in fstab cdrom is in hdd and cdrom1 is in hdc
[12:10] <erni> /dev/hdd
[12:10] <erni> and
[12:10] <erni> /dev/hdc
[12:10] <erni> but the problem is
[12:10] <erni> that hdd and hdc don't exist!!!
[12:10] <hawke_> erni: Run 'dmesg'
[12:11] <danielbell> why does ubuntu not install alsaconf?
[12:11] <hawke_> erni: Look for hdc in that output
[12:11] <erni> yes
[12:11] <StoffBox-Steve> erni still have the cdrom prob from today ?
[12:11] <hawke_> danielbell: I think it's assumed that hotplug will find the sound card
[12:11] <erni> i have writen dmesg | grep hdc
[12:11] <danielbell> unfortunately for me it doesnt :(
[12:12] <erni> but there is no string in the output with hdc or hdd
[12:12] <erni> i haven't been able of mounting my dvd or my dvd recorder since i installed ubuntu
[12:12] <danielbell> im really curious as to weither this sound card works with linux as when hotplug is starting a pop comes from the speakers (laptop), and alsa list says my card works using atiixp drivers, but ive never been able to get it to work :(
[12:13] <hawke_> erni: then you drive is probably not being detected.
[12:13] <danielbell> thats the last thing i need to get working then this laptop's pretty much all workin
[12:13] <hawke_> erni: Does the BIOS see it?
[12:13] <danielbell> apart from multimedia keys
[12:13] <ompaul> erni,  ls /dev/hd* any returns?
[12:13] <hawke_> danielbell: what does 'cat /proc/asound/cards' return?
[12:13] <StoffBox-Steve> danielbell, have to installed KDE ?
[12:13] <danielbell> nah i got gnome
[12:13] <danielbell> hawke_ ill check
[12:13] <erni> i haven't any hd* in /dev
[12:14] <danielbell> dan@shit:~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:14] <danielbell> --- no soundcards ---
[12:14] <StoffBox-Steve> ok, becouse KDE kills my Soundcard today ... no sound after installing KDE :|
[12:14] <danielbell> maybe kde's volume thing is down?
[12:14] <ompaul> StoffBox-Steve, play with kmix and try the differerent cards in there :)
[12:15] <linux_galor1> StoffBox-Steve: go into kcontrol and turn the sound server on and set the timeout to 1 seconds
[12:15] <StoffBox-Steve> maybe, but i reinstalled Uhuntu :)
[12:17] <nicholsc> ?
[12:17] <nicholsc> how do i run the config tool for ubuntu again?
[12:17] <StoffBox-Steve> was no problem ... now Uhuntu is on the mainDrive :) that still better, have new space for an new "Play with gentoo" on the testing Drive
[12:17] <StoffBox-Steve> base_config at the consoel nicholsc
[12:17] <nicholsc> thanks
[12:18] <nicholsc> what directory is it in
[12:18] <erni> i think ubuntu isn't able of recognize my dvd-rom
[12:18] <nicholsc> because its not finding it
[12:18] <StoffBox-Steve> or was it base-config ?
[12:18] <nicholsc> got it
[12:18] <nicholsc> thanks
[12:18] <StoffBox-Steve>  :D NTN nicholsc
[12:19] <StoffBox-Steve> < out for a coffee someone else like one ?
[12:19] <HFusion> hey guys, I have some problems installing Warty - I get a GRUB error 17 at stage 1.5, and can't boot at all
[12:20] <nicholsc> ok so i'm running it
[12:20] <nicholsc> but i don't have my ubuntu cd with me
[12:20] <nicholsc> where should i tell it the sources are located?
[12:20] <nicholsc> because it said it copied everything to the hard disk when i ran this the first time from the CD
[12:21] <nicholsc> any suggestions?
[12:21] <HFusion> are there any known issues with booting from a SATA drive?
[12:21] <StoffBox-Steve> a, a nice cup of coffee :) best think to start the night :)
[12:21] <erni> one doubt: all you know that one device for example /media/cdrom is linked with /dev/*
[12:22] <sabdfl> HFusion: some issues w.r.t. SATA drives and ATA cdrom's
[12:22] <erni> i want to know which is that "*"
[12:22] <erni> how can i know it?
[12:22] <StoffBox-Steve> sources.list nicholsc find it @ etc/apt/  ... normaly
[12:23] <bigmike151> so how do i add an icon set?
[12:24] <nicholsc> ok is base-config the easiest way to change my default monitor settings
[12:24] <bas> my laptop has a external keyboard connected, which causes problem with special chars on the keyboard. how can i fix these? xmodmap or setting the keymap in xorg.conf dont really help..
[12:24] <nicholsc> or can i just do it in the config file
[12:24] <StoffBox-Steve> to whar bigmike151? to the Gnome Theme
[12:24] <bigmike151> yeah
[12:25] <ions> anyone here use Bluefish?  I can't get it to save new files
[12:25] <photoguy151> i downloaded an icon theme
[12:25] <photoguy151> now i just need to know how to install the theme
[12:25] <HFusion> so any ideas what to try to get past the grub error 17 at stage 1.5?
[12:26] <HFusion> there were some suggestions on the forums to set access mode to lba, but there is no such option for sata drives
[12:26] <StoffBox-Steve> easy way :) go Themes klick the Theme where you what to at the icon set > rightside "details" and dann install icon-set << sry but i cant say you the wohle way i have German Gnome... may Words are not the same :D
[12:27] <photoguy151> yeah
[12:27] <photoguy151> i just did that, so maybe the icon set it bad
[12:28] <photoguy151> shouldnt it change all my program icons as well, if they have icons in the pack?
[12:28] <StoffBox-Steve> yes photoguy151, but you must select it after install... must be shown in the left list
[12:29] <GammaRay> does anyone know of a find like program that uses the magic database?
[12:30] <StoffBox-Steve> bas > Desktops-settings > Keyboard  --- take a try
[12:30] <photoguy151> COOL!
[12:30] <photoguy151> got it
[12:30] <photoguy151> thanks
[12:30] <StoffBox-Steve> NTN photoguy151 :)
[12:31] <ompaul> GammaRay, the numbers generated by it are used by C iirc
[12:31] <StoffBox-Steve> when i help other i learn :), im a linux starter .. first install 2weeks ago :)
[12:33] <photoguy151> does anyone know of the program that adds the max os bar to thebottom of your linux desktop?
[12:33] <bas> StoffBox-Steve, problem is i have -two- keyboards. one on my laptop (which has a japanese layout) and an external bluetooth keyboard (with a us layout).. i think i need to set the layout at a lower level than at the X11 level, since X11 thinks i have just one keyboard...
[12:33] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, here must be a option to set Gnome Global Lang to eng ? or better switch it on the fly between De - EN ? i don't find a option like that :S
[12:35] <StoffBox-Steve> bas i dont know that helps ... but try to add a 2nd keyboard in the X11 config
[12:35] <ompaul> bas, you will need to have different configs for each possible combination
[12:36] <ompaul> a little pre gnome script to choose which one to do
[12:37] <ompaul> you will also need to adjust the locale
[12:37] <StoffBox-Steve> both keyboard sould show up at > sudo cat /proc/devices @ bas
[12:37] <bas> StoffBox-Steve, ompaul, problem is that its a bluetooth keyboard that is externally connected, thus i do not know in advance on which /dev/input/event* the BT keyboard will be connected
[12:39] <ompaul> bas, there are several files impacted by that choice right down to the users own preference
[12:40] <photoguy151> does anyone know where i can geta copy of engage dock?
[12:40] <ompaul> bas it is the first time I have come across it with usb/bluethooth
[12:40] <StoffBox-Steve> engage dock ? photoguy151o
[12:41] <johnnybezak> hey guys I have broken my sound, I know it works how do I reinstall it?
[12:41] <photoguy151> its an osx dock emu
[12:42] <StoffBox-Steve> ah, ok photoguy151
[12:42] <photoguy151> www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19075
[12:42] <StoffBox-Steve> photoguy151, than this can help you -- > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13957
[12:43] <Viper12> Just got back from the ol' compusa......smiling like an idiot as I passed the ROWS of anti-virus/spam and 'fix-yer-winblows' software....gawds I luvs ubuntu.  lol  ---just HAD to say that. :)
[12:44] <Viper12> makes one wonder in an x-files sorta' conspiracy mode if its not the stupid 'fix-it' software companies generating all the breakage.  heh heh
[12:45] <Viper12> sorry johnnybezak........you say you broke yer sound?  how?
[12:45] <johnnybezak> Viper12: i installed real player :P
[12:45] <johnnybezak> Viper12: then rebooted now its dead
[12:45] <Viper12> lol.
[12:45] <Viper12> sorry.
[12:45] <Viper12> but.......lol
[12:45] <Plasdom> hey all. anyone been able to get wireless to work on a t42?
[12:46] <Viper12> have you tried to verify whether oss or alsa is default device since the reboot?
[12:47] <johnnybezak> Viper12: um no I havent
[12:48] <johnnybezak> Viper12: I was reading on the ubuntu forums that it might be something to do with esd
[12:48] <johnnybezak> Viper12: but Ive got no idea about esd
[12:48] <Edge> Do anyone know the map of the gnome main menu
[12:48] <Viper12> right click the ol' speaker icon and open volume control.  click file and see if it gives you the choice to change device. (this is with hoary).  might not be quite the same under warty, but you should be able to see if the default has 'changed'.
[12:49] <Viper12> if its anything other than alsa, select, or change to alsa and see if the sound returns.
[12:50] <johnnybezak> Viper12: the speaker icon?
[12:50] <Viper12> in gnome........>>>points to upper right panel.
[12:50] <johnnybezak> Viper12: haha fixed it thanks (im using flux hence the no speaker icon)
[12:50] <Viper12> lol
[12:50] <Viper12> was it '
[12:51] <Viper12> changed to another codec/sound default?
[12:51] <StoffBox-Steve> Guys, when i installed a tools (SIM) thats normaly for KDE under Gome, what libs i needed or what changes i have to make to geht control oder the fontsize and Lang ?
[12:51] <johnnybezak> Viper12: im not sure, but it screwed something *shakes head in shame at installing realplayer*
[12:52] <Viper12> but you fixed it?
[12:52] <Viper12> and stoff.......how did you install? command line or synaptic?
[12:52] <johnnybezak> Viper12: its working with OSS atm
[12:52] <johnnybezak> Viper12: how can i make it use the ALSA drivers instead?
[12:53] <Viper12> not sure as you're using flux. (I'm still beating on the ubuntu 'defaults' in hoary on that one.
[12:53] <johnnybezak> Viper12: what gnome tool do i use
[12:53] <johnnybezak> Viper12: i can just open her from the command line
[12:53] <Viper12> the gnome volume control is what I use.
[12:54] <Viper12> the newer version installed let you change the device from the main control window (file>change device)
[12:54] <Viper12> Like I said though, I'm using the standard hoary provided players and such (well I did add xmms and mplayer).
[12:55] <johnnybezak> in gnome-volume-controol
[12:55] <johnnybezak> all ive got is quit :P
[12:55] <Viper12> are you using the hoary release?
[12:57] <Viper12> If so, go to system/preferences and select multimedia systems selector.  you can change the imput sink and output there as well.
[12:57] <photoguy151> what does it mean when you try to enter a website and it says connection refused?
[12:57] <Viper12> (or at least TEST them there.)
[12:57] <Viper12> photoguy.......usually the site is fubard/down/ or restricted.
[12:57] <johnnybezak> i'm using 4.1
[12:57] <johnnybezak> which ever wild animal that is :)
[12:57] <Viper12> ahh warty
[12:57] <Viper12> hmmm.
[12:58] <Viper12> trying to remember the default tool there......lol.
[12:58] <johnnybezak> concentrate you must :)
[12:58] <Viper12> lol  okay yoda.
[12:59] <|yoda> :P
[12:59] <Viper12> what kinda' sound card you using?
[12:59] <photoguy151> anyone know of a opensource that is comparable to fruityloops?
[12:59] <johnnybezak> ummm
[12:59] <johnnybezak> just the one in the imac
[12:59] <johnnybezak> haha whatever the crap that is
[12:59] <hawke_> photoguy151: I know of some generic cereal that is comparable to froot loops
[12:59] <photoguy151> hehe
[01:00] <photoguy151> fruity puffs
[01:00] <photoguy151> fruity rings
[01:00] <johnnybezak> photoguy151: i heard about one a while back
[01:00] <photoguy151> hehe
[01:00] <Viper12> johnny.........ya' gotta grab another 'tech' in here............I know about imacs about as much as........hmmm...trying to come up with a metaphor here......I dunno jack 'bout imacs.
[01:00] <johnnybezak> lol
[01:00] <hawke_> photoguy151: fruut tori?
[01:00] <johnnybezak> if you can just tell me where i can switch the drivers :P
[01:01] <Viper12> I LOOKED at an imac at compusa a couple hours ago........sorry. :(
[01:01] <ajay> hi.  does anyone know what the source URI is for libdvdcss for powerpc?
[01:01] <johnnybezak> Viper12: haha thanks anyway at least OSS is working
[01:01] <Viper12> you could use synaptics and either reinstall alsa, or esound?  -stabbing in the dark. ;)
[01:01] <Viper12> or see if alsa is even installed.
[01:02] <hawke_> ajay: deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/
[01:02] <johnnybezak> Viper12: haha great minds think alike, i just reinstalled alsa
[01:02] <ajay> thank you.
[01:02] <hawke_> ajay: refer to http://debian.video.free.fr/
[01:02] <johnnybezak> Viper12: is there like a setup script or something
[01:02] <photoguy151> do you guys use firestarter?
[01:03] <Edge> i want to punt a new program in the main gnome menu (for dutch it? called toepasingen, i dont know wat ik wil like in de english language). How can i doe that, where can i find the right map
[01:04] <ajay> thanks all.  gotta go.  back soon.
[01:04] <johnnybezak> Viper12: thanks for your help man I've tweaked the oss settings and it sounds fine
[01:05] <photoguy151> where is a good place to find ebooks?
[01:06] <photoguy151> there was a irc channel i had found awhile back, but i cant recall what it was called
[01:09] <photoguy151> anyone?
[01:09] <johnnybezak> photoguy151: no idea sorry dude
[01:10] <mseney> haven't seen those guys in a long long time, impressed w/ the new song...enjoy
[01:11] <photoguy151> its all good
[01:16] <msg43> hi
[01:16] <msg43> how stable is ubuntu hoary
[01:16] <soren9580> how do i set up ubuntu to use my wireless network?
[01:17] <soren9580> i've tried iwconfig eth1 essid Reedwlan key s:rsec0
[01:17] <soren9580> and it enters the essid
[01:17] <soren9580> but it doesn't find the access point
[01:19] <Faustus> hi
[01:19] <danielbell> soren: probly wont be eth
[01:19] <msg43> how stable is ubuntu hoary
[01:19] <danielbell> try ath0
[01:20] <danielbell> instead of eth0
[01:20] <pussfeller> there anyway to see if my isp is blocking outbound 25?
[01:20] <photoguy151> how do i fix this "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[01:20] <pussfeller> im getting timeouts local to remote mailings, but i dont know if its msconfiguartion on my part
[01:20] <msg43> how stable is ubuntu hoary
[01:20] <photoguy151> ive done it befor, i just forgot how to do it
[01:21] <hawke> Hey, how do I get the ubuntu update thinger to run?
[01:21] <pussfeller> photoguy151, doesnt that mean you dont have the dev package installed?
[01:21] <bojohan> stable enough for me
[01:21] <photoguy151> it could
[01:22] <photoguy151> what is tha package called
[01:22] <pussfeller> if you type gcc a terminal and get an error then you probably dont
[01:23] <photoguy151> nope, i dont
[01:23] <photoguy151> says command not found
[01:23] <Martok> Isn't Hoary coming out in April?
[01:23] <msg43> how stable is ubuntu hoary
[01:25] <Quest-Master> Preview Release should be out in a few days
[01:27] <Edge> i want to punt a new program in the main gnome menu (for dutch it? called toepasingen, i dont know wat ik wil like in de english language). How can i doe that, where can i find the right map. Or is at a XML file, that? also een option I have heard
[01:29] <bascule> Edge: nautilus application:///
[01:31] <pussfeller> if i change my UID# in /etc/passwd and then chmod the files over, will that mess up sudo or anything else
[01:31] <Edge> Bascule: how can I axces that.
[01:31] <toxicfume> hi all
[01:32] <toxicfume> which version ofthe linux kernel does ubuntu 4.10 use? is it 2.6?
[01:32] <bascule> Edge: type it in to nautilus
[01:32] <Edge> Bascule: ok thnx
[01:32] <kingsley_> My CD drive is pausing while playing a music CD. It always starts pausing within 5 seconds of the same spot in the same song. /var/log/messages reports timeouts. Suggestions?
[01:33] <bojohan> bascule: is that supposed to work in hoary?
[01:34] <toxicfume> anyone?
[01:34] <MadMortagan> May I get some help from someone please?
[01:34] <OmniColos> anyone know how to get eap-ttls to work in ibook/airport?
[01:35] <kingsley_> MadMortagan: What's up?
[01:35] <bascule> bojohan: no it doesn' work in hoary
[01:35] <msg43> how stable is ubuntu hoary
[01:36] <bascule> in hoary /usr/share/applications/
[01:36] <bascule> go to do manual xml files
[01:36] <foznot> i have updated to hoary and i can not get xmms to stream mp3 audio for woxy.com
[01:36] <foznot> any help?
[01:36] <bojohan> riiiight
[01:36] <bascule> bojohan: sure they'll change that before release
[01:37] <MadMortagan> kingsley_:  I am trying to install Ubuntu 4.10 on my secondary harddrive, but right after the installer starts it says "Your CPU does not support long mode, use a 32bit distrobution"
[01:37] <bascule> gnoe it's self should have a right click add to menu function, but it doesn't ork in hoary
[01:37] <bascule> gnome*
[01:37] <kingsley_> MadMortagan: Have you searched Google's web and usenet archives for that error message?
[01:37] <nicholsc> how do i configure my airport card with iwconfig
[01:37] <pussfeller> in the network connections dialog says I dont have smb functionality isntalled
[01:38] <MadMortagan> Kingsley_:  I searched the Ubuntu site in the faq/mail archives section and found nothing
[01:38] <MadMortagan> I gave up after that
[01:38] <toxicfume> which version ofthe linux kernel does ubuntu 4.10 use? is it 2.6?
[01:38] <bojohan> and another question: does anyone know where synaptic stores its history?
[01:39] <kingsley_> MadMortagan: I suggest trying both of Google's archives.
[01:40] <toxicfume> does anyone know?
[01:40] <nicholsc> does anyone here know anything about setting up a wireless connection with iwconfig?
[01:41] <Nermal> sure
[01:41] <Nermal> iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid of access point>
[01:41] <bojohan> MadMortagan: which cpu do you have?
[01:41] <MadMortagan> kingsley_:  AMD
[01:41] <MadMortagan> Er... Bojohan, sorry
[01:41] <bojohan> which one?
[01:41] <toxicfume> no one?
[01:42] <bojohan> toxicfume: google? :)
[01:42] <TestDummy> This sucks..
[01:42] <foznot> yes 2.6
[01:43] <toxicfume> foznot: thankyou
[01:43] <TestDummy> I'm trying to plugin my USB modem but everytime I do my mouse freezes uo
[01:43] <TestDummy> up*
[01:44] <bojohan> MadMortagan: sounds like you're trying to use a 64 bit distribution on a 32 bit processor...
[01:44] <MadMortagan> Bojohan:  That is the only type they have
[01:45] <bojohan> who? where?
[01:45] <MadMortagan> Bojohan:  Unless I did not see it somewhere all I see are the AMD64bit images
[01:45] <MadMortagan> At the Ubuntu site
[01:46] <bojohan> :/
[01:46] <MikeW> How do I access disk management? For instance I created some partitions during installation and I would like to 1) remove the automount option for some, and 2) reformat some to a different filesystem
[01:46] <lunahod> Hi, everyone. I have a P2 350 rig with 300+MB of RAM. What performance one should expect from installed ubuntu/gnom/2.6/openoffice in case of simple office paper work?
[01:46] <foznot> lunahod i would try abiword or something smaller
[01:47] <photoguy151> can someone tell me the name of the dev package i should apt-get?
[01:47] <tomaraya> Complete newbie here, I'm trying to download the newest version of gaim, I currently have 1.0.0 and 1.1.4 is out. I see that it's available for download at http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php. Which one would I want to download and how would I install it? Sorry if that comes off as dumb but I tried to figure it out and I'm not having any luck.
[01:47] <photoguy151> i know there was one that included everything
[01:47] <photoguy151> apt-get install gaim
[01:47] <photoguy151> tomaraya:apt-get install gaim
[01:47] <tomaraya> it says 'gaim is already the newest version.
[01:47] <tomaraya> '
[01:48] <tomaraya> But the program itself tells me it isn't.
[01:48] <Viper12> mikew, you can use fdisk for some of that..........or if you prefer gui, download the gparted application.......lets ya do all kinds of stuff. :)
[01:48] <Viper12> and the automount stuff......just edit fstab.
[01:48] <MikeW> where is fstab?
[01:48] <bojohan> /etc/fstab
[01:49] <MikeW> ah okay, thanks
[01:49] <Viper12> :)
[01:49] <foznot> tomaraya: apt-get will not let you install the latest gaim
[01:49] <Viper12> hey tomaraya, are you on warty or hoary?
[01:49] <tomaraya> foznot: Oh.
[01:49] <tomaraya> Viper12: Warty.
[01:49] <photoguy151> what is the dev pakage called that includes all gcc and cpp stuff?
[01:49] <MikeW> I really wish linux had a nice Computer Management like windows has. Windows Logical Disk Manager is almost brilliant, and easy to find
[01:49] <Viper12> The 1.1.1.4 gaim.............came out in hoary updates earlier today.
[01:49] <lunahod> foznot, ok. thanks. Will try abiword.
[01:49] <Viper12> you might (if on warty) try the 'backports' repositories.
[01:49] <foznot> i have hoary and my gaim version is 1.1.2
[01:50] <tomaraya> Oh, I see. So it's nothing for me to worry about. Basically, if apt-get says its the newest don't worry then, correct?
[01:50] <Viper12> MikeW.........try Gparted.  Its pretty slick as well. similar to the windows disk management util.
[01:50] <kingsley_> Is there a way to test audio CDs for bad spots?
[01:50] <bojohan> photoguy151: "gcc"?
[01:50] <TestDummy> Does anybody have any clue why my mouse frezes when I plug in my modem??
[01:50] <MadMortagan> Thank you for your help Kingsley_, and Bojohan
[01:50] <Viper12> tomaraya.......the earlier version on hoary is considered 'stable'.  Just because its a slightly newer 'revision' doesn't make it better.
[01:50] <photoguy151> yah, but there is a package i downloaded befor that has all the development tools in it
[01:51] <foznot> toma... correct apt-get will allow you to get the latest stable version with your setup
[01:51] <tomaraya> Viper12: So I've read. I wasn't worried about it, I just thought I was doing something wrong.
[01:51] <tomaraya> foznot: Ok, cool. Thanks for that.
[01:51] <Viper12> modem is USB, and the mouse is usb......is it possible that the conf file has them on the same 'port', as it were?
[01:51] <TestDummy> It's two different port
[01:51] <Viper12> np tomaraya.
[01:51] <TestDummy> s
[01:51] <TestDummy> I don't even know what you mean by conf files
[01:51] <foznot> tomaraya you can change your repostitories to add stuff not stable
[01:52] <foznot> go to the ubuntuguide.org
[01:52] <Viper12> xorg.conf controls the enviroment.....monitors, keyboards, mouse, etc.
[01:52] <Viper12> or xfree if on warty.
[01:52] <tomaraya> foznot: Oh? Like add additional repositories?
[01:52] <TestDummy> Well, half my interface devices are USB... mouse keyboard, etc...
[01:52] <TestDummy> Would that be a problem?
[01:52] <bojohan> tomaraya: yes
[01:52] <foznot> YES, we have a winner :)
[01:53] <tomaraya> foznot: Yeah, I've seen those, where you edit out the # lines, I've already done that.
[01:53] <Viper12> nods testdummy.......I wouldn't think so....but you're adding a usb device that is obviously conflicting with the mouse.......my rec' would be to head to the ubuntu hardware forums first.
[01:53] <tomaraya> foznot: Plus in Synaptic I checked off the other 5 ones that were unchecked.
[01:54] <TestDummy> Eck... well, I do have a little converter deal I got with the mouse that can switch it over to PS/2. perhaps if I dig that up I'll see if that works and if not, head to the fourms..
[01:54] <Viper12> the problem test with troubleshooting that particular problem here is the variety of differing hardware makes it really hard to say 'do x' in that instance.
[01:54] <foznot> tomaraya, i think at ubuntulinux.org they can show you how to add multiverse repos, i think they  are called
[01:54] <foznot> but that is not all free software so beware
[01:55] <Viper12> also foz......he could add the 'backports' which has a LOT of stuff that is cutting edge 'new'.
[01:55] <Viper12> or just upgrade to hoary.......heh heh.
[01:55] <foznot> hmmm, backports?
[01:55] <gpled> has anyone installed bzflag
[01:55] <TestDummy> =|
[01:56] <TestDummy> Aha, here it is...
[01:56] <tomaraya> Viper12: I went from an older kernel to a newer kernel, and it messed up NDISWrapper, I had to install it again. Will I have to do the same thing if I upgrade to Hoary?
[01:56] <Viper12> backports project (do a search on the ubuntu page.........its for 'new' releases for apt-get and synaptics which allow warty users to grab new stuff such as the OO 1.97 releases, and other stuff.
[01:56] <TestDummy> Well, I'll see if this helps.
[01:56] <tomaraya> I'll check it out right now.
[01:56] <MikeW> Viper12: gparted included with 4.10?
[01:56] <foznot> viper12 ah thanks
[01:56] <Viper12> did you manually config the kernel or do a synaptic smart upgrade?  but I'm guessing as its the ndiswrap, you may have to do it again. (guessing.)
[01:57] <foznot> i went to hoary last week
[01:57] <photoguy151> does anyone knwo how to use gdesklets?
[01:57] <Viper12> np foz
[01:57] <Kyaneos> hi
[01:57] <gpled> foznot: did you upgrade to it?
[01:57] <Kyaneos> how can i set the locales???
[01:57] <Kyaneos> please
[01:57] <tomaraya> Viper12: Synatpic.
[01:58] <bojohan> photoguy151: just run it
[01:58] <tomaraya> I wouldn't know how to manually do it. I've used linux for three days now, and haven't had enough time between work and peoples birthdays to really play with it.
[01:58] <Viper12> My guess is that you'll have to do the ndiswrapper config again.  but.........shrugs.
[01:58] <tomaraya> Plus computers and me really don't get along to begin with.
[01:58] <tomaraya> Well, it's not that big of a deal anyway I guess.
[01:58] <Viper12> you said you'd already done it though.??
[01:59] <tomaraya> Just make sure that the GCC libraries are installed, kernel headers and restricted modules for kernel version and just 'make install' again
[01:59] <tomaraya> Yeah, from 1-3 to 1-5 I did
[01:59] <tomaraya> I had 2.6.8.1-3-386
[01:59] <tomaraya> and now I have 2.6.8.1-5-386
[01:59] <Viper12> I just re-read your post..............and going with hoary is going to give you newer/better kernel........so I'd say you'll be fine.
[01:59] <tomaraya> And then NDISwrapper wouldn't work anymore
[01:59] <tomaraya> Cool.
[02:00] <Viper12> 386.........?  yech.  you on old hardware?
[02:00] <tomaraya> Another tard question, sorry. I post these on the forums but no one ever answer me. 1800+
[02:00] <tomaraya> Should I have the K7 one?
[02:00] <Viper12> 686
[02:00] <Viper12> any amd 32bit processor is good ta' go with the 686 kernel
[02:01] <Viper12> its the amd 64 bits that diverge.
[02:03] <nicholsc> nermal, i tried the command you suggested, but it gives me an AP MAC address of 00:00---
[02:04] <Viper12> Tomaraya, before going hog-wild with upgrades....you said you're a 3-day-old linux user?  IF that's the case, my recommendation would be to stay with warty "stable", and play with it as it is.  Read the how-to's, and soak up the ubuntu forum info FIRST before going hog-wild on upgrades and such.  Learn the system first. :)
[02:04] <puterfixer> hello again
[02:05] <puterfixer> I'm having problems running XMMS; in root console, I'm getting an error message
[02:05] <puterfixer> /home/titel/.xchat2/downloads/Epyon.UnderNet.20050225.log
[02:05] <puterfixer> err
[02:05] <puterfixer> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:05] <puterfixer> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[02:05] <puterfixer> could anyone suggest what I should do, please?
[02:06] <seanm> Is there a PowerPC LiveCD of Ubuntu that has a functional copy of gcc
[02:06] <Viper12> does this happen in xmms no matter what is being played, or happens when you try to run xmms?
[02:06] <bojohan> sudo apt-get install mikmod
[02:07] <puterfixer> whenever I try to open xmms
[02:07] <puterfixer> it doesn't even open a window. the error appears when I try to run it from command-line.
[02:07] <thoreauputic> limikmod2 I think : apt-cache search libmikmod should show you
[02:07] <puterfixer> just reinstalled it using synaptic...
[02:07] <Viper12> was thinking that might be it as well thoreau
[02:08] <tomaraya> Viper12: I'm trying to, read a lot of docs and bash and stuff, and trying to understand how the directories work and what files do what.
[02:08] <tomaraya> It's sorta coming together :p
[02:08] <Viper12> that's good tomaraya. :)  Not knocking you being 'here' or anything...just some 'been-there-done-that' advice. :)
[02:09] <tomaraya> *nod* for sure, for sure
[02:09] <Viper12> The hardest part for me was getting my brain around the file structure....its like miles per hour vs. kilometers/hour...........we all know that base 10 is our brain, but after using one thing for sooooo long, its hard to switch.
[02:10] <puterfixer> ok, just downloaded libmikmod with synaptic
[02:10] <tomaraya> *nod* Yeah. Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
[02:10] <Viper12> downloaded.....or installed?
[02:10] <Viper12> notaprob tomaraya
[02:10] <puterfixer> downloaded and installed and... O_O it works!! thanks :)
[02:10] <Viper12> :)
[02:11] <Viper12> woot
[02:11] <seanm> Hey does anyone know if there is a livecd version of ubuntu with a working copy of gcc?
[02:11] <puterfixer> dunno why xmms didn't select it when I installed xmms the first time
[02:11] <MikeW> hmm, I don't seem to have a root password
[02:11] <apokryphos> MikeW: Ubuntu is like that by default; see the articles on the site.
[02:11] <Viper12> by default you won't mikeW.........use "sudo command blah blah"
[02:12] <puterfixer> next issue -- I followed the ubuntuguide instructions to automount my NTFS partitions in rw mode, but 1) I can't write on them, and 2) the mount points appear as drive icons on desktop, how can I remove them?
[02:12] <MikeW> well when I get a message saying "You need to enter your root password to do this", I don't know what it is
[02:12] <puterfixer> Mike, your default username's password
[02:12] <MikeW> I entered that
[02:12] <Viper12> oh gawds.........puterfixer you DONT wanna go there (write) on NTFS.  asking for ALL kinds of issues.
[02:12] <MikeW> but it tells me to check if caps is on
[02:13] <puterfixer> oh ok. thanks for the warning, Viper. how about getting the icons off the desktop?
[02:13] <Viper12> puter.......use the umount commands, and they'll go by-by.
[02:13] <thoreauputic> MikeW: try running the app frome the commandline  with gksudo ( like gksudo firestarter for example )
[02:13] <TestDummy> It works :D
[02:13] <puterfixer> but I want to keep them mounted, heh
[02:14] <tomaraya> puterfixer: Well, the directory is named desktop so why not?
[02:14] <Viper12> then don't mount them in your home directory.
[02:14] <puterfixer> they're mounted in /media
[02:14] <Viper12> (er......home Desktop directory).
[02:14] <puterfixer> like /media/c , /media/d and so on
[02:14] <seanm> Hey does anyone know if there is a livecd version of ubuntu with a working copy of gcc?
[02:14] <MikeW> thoreauputic: I've absolutely no idea how to launch network tools from the commandline
[02:14] <puterfixer> for /dev/hda1 /dev/hda5 etc
[02:15] <Viper12> not sure seanm. although with the live cd, you can use apt-get or synaptic and get gcc.
[02:15] <thoreauputic> MikeW:  try gnome-network-preferences
[02:16] <photoguy151> how do i get my panal on the bottom back if i removed it?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> MikeW: or type gnome- <tab> <tab> to see the lot (but there *sre* alot)
[02:16] <thoreauputic> *are*
[02:17] <photoguy151> ?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> photoguy151: right click the top panel, choose "add panel" or similar
[02:17] <mBob> hi - is it possible to use debian repositry's in ubuntu?
[02:18] <mBob> or will it mess up dep's?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> mBob: possible but not recommended
[02:18] <thoreauputic> probably
[02:18] <mBob> is ubuntu made from packages from debian repositries though?
[02:19] <Viper12> since ubuntu is completely debian 'based', you could, by adding the repos to sources.list...........but why?  the universe/multiverse repos are bazillions of apps anyway.
[02:19] <mBob> well i looked in synaptic (or something like that) and couldn't find kd
[02:19] <mBob> *kde
[02:19] <Viper12> mbob, ubuntu is using the SID unstable branch.
[02:19] <HiddenWolf> mbob: Highly unrecommended, actually
[02:19] <HiddenWolf> mbob: enable universe
[02:19] <mBob> where do i do that?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> mBob: you need to enable "universe" under settings > repositories
[02:20] <Viper12> synaptic is using the apt-get sources.list file.  you can manually edit that file, and synaptics will grab from it after an 'reload'.
[02:20] <Viper12> or, just enable universe. lol
[02:20] <mBob> ok thanks
[02:20] <HiddenWolf> mbob: either of the abovementioned, really
[02:20] <thoreauputic> mBob: don't forget to "reload" after adding universe
[02:21] <Viper12> you will bulge yer eyes at all the stuff that shows up. ;)
[02:21] <bojohan> does anyone know where synaptic stores its logs?
[02:21] <mBob> thanks
[02:21] <tomaraya> Viper12: Approximately how many things (ballpark) would be shown if you add the universe repository?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> 10 000 or so ?
[02:22] <Viper12> 6-7 thousand?
[02:22] <Viper12> ish?
[02:22] <Viper12> I think it was over 10k if universe AND multiverse were added.
[02:22] <tomaraya> Weird, doesn't seem like theres that much .. I did that right away.... and I just did a quick scroll through.
[02:22] <thoreauputic> yes, possibly right
[02:23] <tomaraya> Actually, nevermind. Hehe.
[02:23] <Viper12> lol.....tomaraya..........:D
[02:23] <HiddenWolf> Viper12: it's 13k in universe alone. :P
[02:23] <mBob> whats multiverse?
[02:23] <Viper12> 13k?  coulda' sworn I read it was a lil' lower.........but hell who's counting?   lol
[02:23] <tomaraya> I'm assuming you have to add multiverse manually.
[02:24] <thoreauputic> mBob: restricted stuff (non-free in Debian terms I think)
[02:24] <mBob> o rite
[02:24] <mBob> thanks
[02:24] <Viper12> smoke time. brb
[02:24] <cg0def> does anyone know a tool that is capable of editing the gnome 2.9.* apps menu?
[02:24] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: yes, multiverse has to be edited in
[02:24] <mBob> reload is a lot faster than emerge sync on gentoo
[02:24] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Thought so.
[02:25] <puterfixer> right. so I'm going to restart and see if mounting partitions in /mnt instead of /media will pop them on desktop again. thanks heaps, Viper!! have a good weekend if I don't see ya in a bit.
[02:25] <nicholsc> i've got my wireless card configured and its getting an IP address
[02:25] <cg0def> mBob: yeah well that's what you get for using python in gentoo
[02:25] <nicholsc> but i can't get online
[02:26] <nicholsc> do i need to add something in route?
[02:26] <sindre_> Do anyone know why my internet is realy slow in Ubuntu? I get about 200kbit/s now, usually i get 700kbit/s. Have anyone else had this problem?
[02:26] <tomaraya> nicholsc: Can you get online when you use a LAN card?
[02:27] <mBob> nicholsc - can you ping your router?
[02:27] <mBob> probably ping 192.168.0.1
[02:27] <mBob> or ping 192.168.1.1
[02:27] <nicholsc> no i can't
[02:28] <nicholsc> i can get online with a lan card
[02:28] <intrade> anyone know does ubuntu live not have ppp modem dialer?
[02:28] <nicholsc> which is what i'm using now
[02:28] <intrade> dial up modem
[02:28] <nicholsc> but i can't get online when i unplug the cable
[02:28] <tomaraya> *nod* Obviously not proxies then.
[02:28] <mBob> is your wireless card getting an ip by dhcp?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> intrade: it's a bit of a pain - they forgot to add the default user to the dip and dialout groups IIRC
[02:29] <nicholsc> yes it is
[02:29] <tomaraya> 169.254?
[02:29] <nicholsc> and it's a valid IP address
[02:29] <nicholsc> no
[02:29] <tomaraya> or 192.168?
[02:29] <tomaraya> Oh. Right.
[02:29] <intrade> so you know the command i have to do in gnome?
[02:29] <nicholsc> i called the computer user services people at my school and they dont support linux, but they confirmed i was getting a valid ip
[02:29] <nicholsc> i've tried pinging it from another computer
[02:29] <nicholsc> but it doesn't work
[02:29] <nicholsc> is there something i need to do to enable the interface?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> intrade: run pppconfig to set up your account (in aterminal) then use pon to connect, poff to disconnect
[02:30] <mBob> nicholsc - thats probably your lan card, reboot with your lancard disabled, then run ifconfig and see if you have an ip address
[02:30] <mBob> (disable lan card in bios)
[02:30] <intrade> ok tahnks i tried wvdialconf  create
[02:30] <intrade> didnt work
[02:30] <thoreauputic> intrade: check thta you are in the dip and dialout groups by typing `groups`
[02:30] <intrade> i try  what you sayd
[02:30] <nicholsc> its not my lan card
[02:30] <nicholsc> i checked network tools
[02:30] <thoreauputic> pppconfig is better
[02:30] <nicholsc> i'm getting two different IP addresses
[02:31] <nicholsc> one for the lan card
[02:31] <nicholsc> one for the wireless
[02:31] <danielbell> are there any channels on freenode devoted to wireless networking
[02:31] <thoreauputic> intrade: you need to run pppconfig in a root terminal, by the way
[02:31] <intrade> ok how i get root
[02:32] <mBob> intrade - sudo
[02:32] <danielbell> k.. that was easy to find
[02:32] <intrade> whats the password for live cd
[02:32] <mBob> nicholsc - no idea, sorry
[02:32] <thoreauputic> intrade  do sudo -s or sudo su
[02:32] <intrade> ok
[02:32] <intrade> CPU[AMD Duron clocked at 1294.560 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.9-kanotix-8 i686]   Up[-1:01-]   Mem[-246.402/502.66MB-]   HDD[-140GB(8%used)-]   Procs[-65-]   Client[X-Chat 2.4.1] 
[02:32] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: you still need to enter the password for the user I think?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: he's on the live CD
[02:33] <intrade> k thanks i try again later
[02:33] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: yes but doesn't the live cd run as a user too?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: don't think there's a default password on the live CD
[02:33] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: hmm - you may be right - on knoppix what I suggested works
[02:34] <jdub> ubuntu:ubuntu
[02:34] <intrade> knoppix is no good get kanotix
[02:34] <tomaraya> Is ubuntuguide.org down right now?
[02:34] <tomaraya> I can't get there for some reason.
[02:34] <intrade> even knopper is lurking in kanotix lol
[02:35] <thoreauputic> intrade: heh - I started using knoppix ages ago ( I know kanotix is good )
[02:35] <intrade> su gets u root on knoppix
[02:35] <jdub> the username and password on the livecd is ubuntu:ubuntu
[02:35] <jdub> so using sudo, type ubuntu
[02:35] <intrade> i like 3.4 knoppix for partittioning older machines
[02:36] <thoreauputic> jdub: thanks :)
[02:36] <claws> good evening
[02:36] <intrade> anyone got ubuntu on a mc going?
[02:36] <tomaraya> How do I login as root? I know that's answered at ubuntuguide but it seems to be down.
[02:37] <thoreauputic> jdub: BTW has the default user been added to the dip group on hoary? I had to do it manually on warty to get dialup working...
[02:37] <thoreauputic> jdub: a lot of people seemed to have major problems getting dialup working on warty
[02:37] <jdub> thoreauputic: hrm, not sure - my user is quite old :)
[02:37] <jdub> ot
[02:37] <jdub> it's in dialout
[02:37] <claws> soooooo  how do I remove eg. emacs without removing ubuntu-desktop (depen) ?
[02:38] <jdub> claws: you can't
[02:38] <VernC> Has anyone else had troubles getting the kernel image to install when installing hoary?
[02:38] <jdub> claws: but u-d is only important for upgrades
[02:38] <claws> sure I can, there must be a way
[02:38] <thoreauputic> jdub: pppconfig insuists on having the user in "dip" as well
[02:38] <jdub> thoreauputic: check bz
[02:38] <thoreauputic> jdub: OK
[02:39] <claws> isnt there a way to disregard dependencies?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> claws: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package
[02:39] <Viper12> tomaraya......first off, in ubuntu, you don't need to log in as root most of the time.....just prefix a command with 'sudo'.
[02:39] <thoreauputic> claws: removing it won't break anything
[02:40] <claws> okay so  eg.  what about alsa ? then it wants to remove 'gdm'
[02:41] <thoreauputic> claws: umm - you want to remove alsa?
[02:41] <claws> yeah - well its the pricipal
[02:41] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:41] <claws> any package - i have no need for several packages but can't remove them because of some obscure dependencie
[02:42] <thoreauputic> claws: the deps are there for a reason, you know :/
[02:42] <Nigelenki> anyone here use xen
[02:42] <claws> how does GDM depend on alsa?
[02:42] <Nigelenki> that can help me make it work later
[02:42] <Nigelenki> claws:  it makes noise
[02:43] <tomaraya> Viper: No, I'm aware of that. I wanted to change menu.lst, and I couldn't figure out how to do it with the GUI portion of Ubuntu and I don't know how to use any text editors in bash to sudo text editor it.
[02:43] <thoreauputic> claws: I assume there are sound functions associated with gdm - don't know
[02:43] <Viper12> just open a terminal and type sudo gedit "filename goes here"
[02:43] <Nigelenki> tomaraya:  learn to use vim
[02:43] <Nigelenki> :)
[02:43] <claws> so the dependencies qork in quite a fascist way?
[02:43] <Kokey> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:43] <thoreauputic> claws: if you need this degree of control, a custom install or debian sarge would suit better
[02:43] <tomaraya> Nigelenk: I'll check it out.
[02:43] <Viper12> it will ask for a password, and you'll be in a notepad like editor. :)
[02:43] <Nigelenki> tomaraya:  lol ;)
[02:43] <tomaraya> Kokey: Thanks.
[02:44] <Kokey> de nada
[02:44] <thoreauputic> claws: Godwin's Law is about to be invoked I dear...
[02:44] <thoreauputic> *fear
[02:44] <claws> yeah - I usually run Slackware so i guess im spoiled
[02:44] <claws> don't know that law
[02:44] <thoreauputic> claws: google it ;)
[02:44] <Viper12> lol
[02:44] <claws> im allready on that :P
[02:44] <frogbert> hey can anyone help me with my ubuntu install?
[02:45] <claws> How to post about Nazis and get away with it - the Godwin's Law FAQ  - hows that for a google hit
[02:45] <Edge> Do anyone know were i can find /schemas/apps/panel/objects/menu_path
[02:45] <thoreauputic> claws: yup
[02:45] <Edge> if i use find schemas he says that there is nit such a dir or file
[02:46] <Viper12> lmao thoreau.
[02:46] <frogbert> anyone know how to get hot pluggable ide working?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> claws: you mentioned fascism, so - almost about to invoke Godwin ;)
[02:46] <tomaraya> Kokey: That worked great. Awesome.
[02:47] <claws> hah i get it
[02:47] <claws> good law - makes sense now that i think back
[02:47] <Kokey> tomaraya, your welcome! ;)
[02:48] <claws> you nailed me :P  -- well im off to try a new kernal on for size - thx for the help
[02:49] <johnnybezak> what p2p do you guys use?
[02:49] <Viper12> azureus over here (bittorrent)
[02:49] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: lftp ;-)
[02:49] <Edge> Do anyone know were i can find /schemas/apps/panel/objects/menu_path, if i use find schemas he says that there is nit such a dir or file
[02:50] <frogbert> Edge, is in your gconf editor
[02:50] <frogbert> click on applications, system tools, configuration editor
[02:52] <Edge> ah, so :$. But isn't it a directory?
[02:53] <fr500> hello, how can i delete apt cache it's screwed somehow and it wont let me update
[02:54] <intrade> dont know apt-get -f?
[02:54] <fr500> uh
[02:54] <fr500> ok
[02:54] <intrade> not sure i use kanotix
[02:54] <fr500> doesnt work
[02:54] <intrade> its also debian
[02:55] <intrade> apt-get help
[02:55] <intrade> try taht
[02:55] <Kokey> the error?
[02:56] <tomaraya> Sorry for the plethora of newb questions, but I was over at the Ubuntu Forums and I saw a thread on gaming and different games you can install. I see this one called 'Neverball' which can be downloaded at http://icculus.org/neverball/. I guess I'd want to get the 'debian packages.' So I download this 'neverball_1.4.0-1_i386.deb' .. no idea what I need to do at this point to install it.
[02:56] <fr500> let me see
[02:56] <_jon_> fr500: you can try dpkg --purge apt-cache
[02:57] <_jon_> or apt-get install --reinstall apt-utils
[02:57] <_jon_> the latter is the better choice though
[02:57] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: sudo dpkg -i <packagetoinstall>
[02:57] <karim> hi
[02:57] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Thanks!
[02:57] <karim> does the gaim verson of the last hoary update works ?
[02:57] <_jon_> neverball is great
[02:57] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: but it will probably scream about dependencies unless you're lucky
[02:57] <karim> on debian sid it was segfaulting
[02:57] <fr500> ok jon thanks
[02:57] <tomaraya> If I extract it on the desktop, is the directory icon always going to be there?
[02:58] <tomaraya> Like, will it extract right to /Desktop?
[02:58] <tomaraya> Thus always being visible on the Desktop?
[02:59] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: ;/ make a downloads directory or something - dealing with extraction on the desktop is a pain IMO
[02:59] <fr500> i get this: W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:59] <fr500> ooops too long, sorry
[02:59] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Will do that right now.
[02:59] <tomaraya> mkdir, right?
[02:59] <tomaraya> I'll try it.
[02:59] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: when you install a deb it puts the files where they are meant to go
[03:00] <tomaraya> Oh, cool.
[03:00] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: mkdir downloads
[03:00] <tomaraya> What is the linux equivalent to /windows/program_files
[03:00] <thoreauputic> or whatever you prefer to call it
[03:00] <tomaraya> I'm assuming that's where it would extract to
[03:00] <thoreauputic> there isn't an exact equivalent
[03:00] <tomaraya> as far as program extraction goes
[03:00] <Kokey> fr500, comment this line: # deb cdrom: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:00] <thoreauputic> most binaries go to /usr/bin
[03:01] <tomaraya> I see.
[03:01] <Kokey> then apt-get update
[03:01] <thoreauputic> most config goes to /etc
[03:01] <fr500> ok
[03:01] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: personal config often makes a file ~/.programname
[03:01] <tomaraya> do I always use dpkg -i for all .deb files?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> (hidden file)
[03:01] <intrade> well i do tolstoy-
[03:01] <tomaraya> I see. Hidden files are displayed with ls -a aren't they?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: no - use the package manager!
[03:02] <intrade> tomaraya:
[03:02] <Levander> I thought that the eclipse IDE was supposed to be in universe?  Do I just remember wrong?  Just looked couldn't find it.  Is there another name for it I can search for?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: yes
[03:02] <intrade> if you have the file in home
[03:02] <intrade> always use root terminal more save then paket manager
[03:02] <tomaraya> Ok, sorry for the next silly question, but what is the package manager and why am I using dpkg -i for the Neverball .deb file?
[03:02] <intrade> dpkg -i paket name
[03:02] <fr500> i think that did it, thanks a lot
[03:03] <Kokey> your welcome
[03:03] <thoreauputic> intrade: we've already discussed this, but thanks
[03:03] <_jon_> tomaraya: dpkg -i is a command to install the specified package
[03:03] <Adrenal> hacking the pentagon just got a whole lot easier
[03:03] <Kokey> Adios Raza!
[03:03] <thoreauputic> tomaraya:  http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:03] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: It's down right now.
[03:04] <tomaraya> Or it isn't coming up for me for some reason ...
[03:04] <Adrenal> man, new firefox is a beast
[03:04] <fr500> mirror http://desktopos.com/ubuntu-starter-guide/
[03:04] <intrade> try opera
[03:04] <fr500> what new firefox?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: read the links in the /topic - search for "synaptic package manager" on ubuntulinux.org
[03:04] <Adrenal> nah,  i'd miss the extensions
[03:04] <Adrenal> 1.01
[03:04] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Oh, synaptic. Gotcha.
[03:04] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: there's a howto
[03:04] <Adrenal> just a bunch of security fixes
[03:05] <Adrenal> but still, faster response time
[03:05] <Adrenal> opera does load a bit faster though i'll admit
[03:05] <intrade> ok no one  got ubuntu on a macintosh here?
[03:05] <karim> intrade, me
[03:05] <tomaraya> Ok, with Synpatic, now that i've downloaded the .DEB file,.. wait a minute. I see what i'm not getting here. As I've downloaded the file, I need to use dpkg -i .. but I could have used the package manager to find it on one of the repositories much easier. Is that right?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> intrade: yes -iBook G4
[03:05] <_jon_> bingo
[03:05] <intrade> it whipes osx Karim?
[03:06] <intrade> no dualbbot?
[03:06] <karim> intrade, dualboot
[03:06] <thoreauputic> intrade: I have dual boot and mol (mac-on-linux)
[03:06] <karim> I installed linux only
[03:06] <karim> at first
[03:06] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Sorry, when you said 'package manager' I was thinking something other than Synaptic, some sort of GUI based utility for .DEB packages or something. I didn't understand.
[03:06] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: I do now though.
[03:06] <karim> then I installed OS X few months later to test it
[03:06] <intrade> ok on cd cover it says it erses osx?
[03:07] <intrade> so whats minimum specs to run on mac
[03:07] <karim> I didn't installed from cd
[03:07] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: synaptic is just a pretty front end for apt-get
[03:07] <intrade> can i get an old beast mac?
[03:07] <intrade> g3 it says on cds
[03:07] <karim> karim, you can install on the oldest macs
[03:07] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Right, so I've read.
[03:07] <karim> intrade, well you can install on pmac, I think
[03:07] <karim> at least debian
[03:07] <karim> I have a b&w G3
[03:08] <karim> I installed debian on it, then upgraded to ubuntu
[03:08] <intrade> power mac? pmac?
[03:08] <karim> yes
[03:08] <karim> old world macs
[03:08] <intrade> ok thanks
[03:08] <bojohan> neverball is in "universe", afaics
[03:08] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: once your sources are set up, installing stuff becomes trivially simple
[03:08] <intrade> never had a mac id buy one to mess with ubuntu lol
[03:08] <karim> intrade, on this system I can't play a divx on OS X, but on ubuntu it's ok
[03:08] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: assuming the thing you want is in the repositories
[03:08] <karim> OS X is a ressource hog
[03:09] <intrade> ok
[03:09] <karim> intrade, whazt do you want to buy ?
[03:09] <intrade> cheap as possibile lol
[03:09] <intrade> they sell old macs for 10 bux here
[03:10] <intrade> found one Powermac 7200/75 + monitor + Zip 100 + printer!!!
[03:11] <intrade> any good for messing with?
[03:11] <intrade> mac os 7.5.3 installed
[03:12] <intrade> i just want a mac so i can try ubuntu for mac lol
[03:12] <thoreauputic> intrade: you need at least 128MB for a full Ubuntu install (256 is better)
[03:12] <intrade> ok
[03:12] <intrade> mac have different ram huh?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> 768 is even better ;-)
[03:12] <intrade> cant use pc rams
[03:13] <thoreauputic> intrade: you'd need to check what kind
[03:13] <intrade> ok
[03:13] <bzbb> I seem to have found a hoary bug
[03:13] <thoreauputic> intrade: some are just standard
[03:13] <intrade> do mac have standard vga monitor plugs?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> bzbb: how surprising ;-)
[03:13] <thoreauputic> intrade: #mac
[03:14] <tomaraya> Hmm. I installed Neverball.. no sound though. :(
[03:14] <tomaraya> Looks like Super Monkey Ball.
[03:14] <_jon_> intrade: yes but on ibooks and powerbooks, you might need an adapter
[03:14] <bzbb> thoreauputic, well, my kern.log.0 syslog.0 and messages.0 files are each 9 gigs
[03:14] <cg0def> does anyone know what the name of this program in apt is?
[03:14] <cg0def> http://gsb.sourceforge.net/screenies/xfmime.png
[03:14] <intrade> ok jon thanks all
[03:14] <thoreauputic> bzbb: ouch
[03:15] <bzbb> thoreauputic, yeah, it filled my system drive and locked everything up
[03:15] <tomaraya> One question though, is there a quick way to make a link to the game? (Instead of running it from the shell?) Or do I have to find what directory it's in, and then point to that dir and then find the PNG file if I want to use the icon?
[03:15] <bzbb> can I just rm the log files?
[03:16] <tomaraya> Also, is it safe to assume that as sound works everywhere else that Neverball just doesn't support my soundcard?
[03:16] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: just type neverball in a terminal I'd say
[03:16] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: if it's in your PATH it should pop up
[03:17] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Right, I understand that.
[03:17] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: to see where it lives, type `which neverball`
[03:17] <alumi1> bzbb: dont delete the logs or something will go wrong
[03:17] <tomaraya> So what you're saying is that in order to make a link I do have the find out where it is, and in order to use the icon that came with it, I have to find the PNG file that came with it, correct?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: make a launcher with the command in it (right click desktop >new launcher or similar)
[03:18] <bzbb> alumi1, ok, so how do I deal with log files that fill my harddrive?
[03:18] <alumi1> bzbb: use logrotate
[03:18] <tomaraya> No, I understand that. What I was asking is there a quick and dirty way to do it, or do I have to point specifically to the games path and specific the the PNG file for the icon.
[03:18] <tomaraya> When making a link on the desktop.
[03:18] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: you might find there's an icon in the icon selection (click the empty icon when you make a launcher)
[03:19] <alumi1> bzbb: i once deleted the logs and then some daemons won't start
[03:19] <tomaraya> *nod* There isn't, I had to go specifically to another directory with the PNG file for the game.
[03:19] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: usually a one word command suffices
[03:19] <tomaraya> Gotcha, as it's in the path.
[03:19] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: right
[03:19] <alumi1> bzbb: with logrotate you can set the limits to rotate and compress the log files
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> shadeofgrey, whazup?
[03:20] <tomaraya> thoreauputic, did you see my question about the sound? What do you think? Is it a problem with my soundcard, or just that that game doesn't support it?
[03:20] <shadeofgrey> nom:  nothing much man how are ytou?
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> nm
[03:20] <Edge> he i've seen that firefox 1.01 is out (hope that? not to old news). It would be great if there comes a package for ubuntu
[03:20] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: I don't know, sorry - if sound is working for other apps, then it's probably a configuration issue
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> gettting ready for our LUG meeting tomorrow
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> 3 hours
[03:21] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: or you may be missing a library or something
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> Alan Hicks of slackware is gonna talk on security
[03:21] <tomaraya> thoreauputic, I see, I'll check it out... might have to be something i put in the command line or something.
[03:21] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: I used synaptic, it didn't say anything.
[03:21] <shadeofgrey> guys i need help getting totem to play DVD's.  I have a really nice sony DVD drive in my comp but it wont  play any of my DVD's
[03:22] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: try typing `man neverball` or `neverball -help`
[03:22] <bzbb> logrotate segfaults
[03:22] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: might give some clues
[03:22] <shadeofgrey> it says that it couldnt open the source for reading
[03:22] <tomaraya> I'll do that, thanks. I didn't no that man worked with apps as well.
[03:22] <shadeofgrey> does that mean the drive isnt mounted?
[03:22] <tomaraya> know, not no :p little hungover today
[03:22] <bzbb> alumil, they already have been rotated
[03:22] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: if there isn't a man page, in debian it's automatically a bug
[03:23] <alumik> bzbb: maybe there is an option to force te rotation
[03:23] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: since Ubuntu is Debian based, there will always be some documentation
[03:24] <thoreauputic> somewhere! *g*
[03:24] <alumik> logrotate -f /var/log/...
[03:25] <bzbb> alumik, I just deleted and replaced them with empty files
[03:25] <bzbb> because they were already rotated
[03:25] <bzbb> now I have free disk space
[03:25] <alumik> cool
[03:25] <bzbb> its nice
[03:25] <alumik> watch for the permissions
[03:25] <alumik> apply the same of the old files
[03:26] <shadeofgrey> okay guys -- i really need help now.  i thought that maybe my DVD drive wasnt mounted so i put the dvd in the drive and hit the 'mount DVD drive' button in my panel and it says :
[03:26] <bzbb> my 40 gig drive went from 100% to 28% full
[03:26] <alumik> bzbb: apt-get clean also helps
[03:27] <bzbb> now I just have to keep an eye on logfile size
[03:28] <alumik> bzbb: i'd check the logrotate settings, these sizes aren't normal
[03:28] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Ah, man wasn't very enlightening. Haven't tried help yet. This is all man gave me though.
[03:28] <tomaraya> OPTIONS
[03:28] <tomaraya>        The following command-line options are available:
[03:28] <tomaraya>        [<datadir>] 
[03:28] <tomaraya>               Run the game with a different data directory
[03:28] <shadeofgrey> how do i correct this error:
[03:28] <alumik> -rw-r-----   1 root  adm  315K 2005-02-24 13:28 kern.log.0
[03:28] <shadeofgrey> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "dvd://", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[03:29] <alumik> shadeofgrey: dvds with css aren't supported, but you can found the packages on the marillat repository
[03:30] <Yomega_Killer> where ?
[03:30] <tomaraya> Can anyone recommend a smaller'ish game I should install?
[03:30] <tomaraya> Like no more than 50 megs.
[03:30] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: well, frozen-bubble is fun
[03:30] <bzbb> alumik, those files have no logrotate settings
[03:30] <bzbb> but I wonder, because they were in filename.0 not filename
[03:31] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: and it has sound so.. if that works you can narrow your problem down
[03:31] <tomaraya> Installing right now.
[03:31] <nicholsc> quick question: how do i access network resources (samba or appletalk) in Ubuntu?
[03:31] <tomaraya> Man, synpatic sure makes installation easier.
[03:31] <nicholsc> do i use mount?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: it's kind of addictive, but silly ;-)
[03:31] <alumik> i prefer apt-get :)
[03:31] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: I'm all about addicting and silly.
[03:32] <tomaraya> addictive even.
[03:32] <thoreauputic> alumik: so do I :)
[03:32] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: heh
[03:32] <Yomega_Killer> frozen bubble doesn't work
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Yomega_Killer: ? works here
[03:32] <tomaraya> Hmm.. I'm using xchat.. when I autocomplete names it puts a comma in front of it if it's the beginning of the sentence
[03:32] <Yomega_Killer> it needs additionnal packs (RPM)
[03:33] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: you can change that in settings
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Yomega_Killer: no it doesn't - at least not on warty
[03:33] <alumik> apt-get install package && play "hampserdance.ogg"
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Yomega_Killer: do you have universe enabled?
[03:34] <Yomega_Killer> no
[03:34] <Yomega_Killer> should i activate it ?
[03:34] <Yomega_Killer> oops
[03:34] <thoreauputic> Yomega_Killer: yes - frozen-bubble is in universe
[03:35] <Yomega_Killer> OK then I'll try
[03:35] <Yomega_Killer> thx
[03:35] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Weird, started never ball again and the sound works fine now :p
[03:35] <nicholsc> what type is a mac file share when i use mount?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Yomega_Killer: repos under settings in synaptic
[03:35] <tomaraya> About to check out frozen-bubble
[03:35] <_jon_> nicholsc: afs?
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> tomaraya, cool
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> fb is way cool game
[03:35] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: ah - a mystery ;)
[03:35] <Yomega_Killer> OK
[03:35] <nicholsc> it doesn't list afs as a type
[03:35] <tomaraya> A mystery I can live with.
[03:35] <nicholsc> it lists adfs and affs
[03:35] <tomaraya> nomasteryoda: yeah works for me
[03:35] <tomaraya> No complaints here
[03:36] <_jon_> hmm
[03:36] <raydogg> how do i setup a new video card in ubuntu ?
[03:36] <_jon_> raydogg: which manufaturer
[03:36] <raydogg> ati
[03:36] <_jon_> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:37] <_jon_> ati is on there
[03:37] <tomaraya> Oh I like this game.. what is this a clone of.. Taito game.. with Bubble Bobble characters
[03:37] <_jon_> thoreauputic: the cards are nice, but the drivers are not
[03:37] <foznot>  my dvd playback with totem-gstreamer is wretched and jerky, any suggestions for a fix?
[03:37] <_jon_> not streaming dvds
[03:38] <raydogg> Thanks jon
[03:38] <_jon_> np raydogg
[03:38] <thoreauputic> _jon_: yeah, it's just that any time anyone comes in and mentions ati, we know it will be a struggle...
[03:38] <_jon_> i managed to get my radeon to work on debian a few months ago
[03:39] <tomaraya> I can't remember the name.. hmm. Puzzle Bobble or something like that.
[03:39] <_jon_> but since then i've moved on and have a dual display with an nvidia card now
[03:39] <thoreauputic> _jon_: OTOH, my ati card works fine in the ppc version of Ubuntu
[03:39] <thoreauputic> but it isn't balazingly fast (I'm not a gamer so I don't care)
[03:39] <_jon_> thoreauputic: airport express working under ubuntu yet?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> _jon_: not as far as I know
[03:40] <Yomega> back
[03:40] <_jon_> that's what's keeping me from trying the ppc version
[03:40] <thoreauputic> _jon_: I think it will be a while - broadcom are unco-operative I believe
[03:41] <bp> hey
[03:41] <_jon_> i'm getting used to OS X though, so i'm not complaining
[03:41] <nicholsc> so if i want to mount a directory from a system 134.10.20.22
[03:41] <nicholsc> what's the command
[03:41] <bp> can i get ubuntu help in here?
[03:41] <nicholsc> mount 134.10.20.22:/dir /dirtomount ?
[03:41] <Yomega> yes
[03:41] <_jon_> bp: nope you're not allowed
[03:41] <bp> lol
[03:42] <shadeofgrey> okay guyts how do i fix this problem:
[03:42] <thoreauputic> _jon_: OS-X is OK I guess - but I prefer the freedom of linux ( a lot of stuff is inaccessible under OS-X)
[03:42] <shadeofgrey> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:42] <_jon_> bp: just ask and if somebody can help, they will
[03:42] <Yomega> OSX powooo
[03:42] <Yomega> Win powoooo
[03:42] <Yomega> Linux Mega powoooo
[03:42] <_jon_> thoreauputic: agreed
[03:42] <Yomega> lol
[03:43] <bp> thanx
[03:43] <shadeofgrey> thorau:  can i ask you to please take a look at my sources.list file and tell me what i did wrong?  i need to install packages from somewhere to get DVD playback to work on Totem
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Yomega: so what do you use? DOS ? *g*
[03:43] <bp> ok, im having usb webcam problems
[03:43] <Yomega> GNU/LINUX DEBIAN UBUNTU LOL
[03:44] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: it may be the marillat sources are out of sync with Ubuntu atm - don't know
[03:44] <Yomega> tried Fedora Core2 from red hat -> too many problems
[03:44] <bp> well...usb problems. usbview says that it cant access /proc/bus/usb.devices
[03:44] <bp> usb/devices*
[03:44] <shadeofgrey> thoreauputic:  would you mind taking a look at my sources.list file if i paste it to flood?  the address works okay but gives errors about a key
[03:45] <thoreauputic> I'll look - no guarantee I'll know :)
[03:45] <_jon_> shadeofgrey: you might need to install debiankeys
[03:45] <nicholsc> i get connection refused when i try
[03:45] <bp> is ubs part of the kernel, or do i have to enable it?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: joined #flood now
[03:45] <nicholsc> sudo mount 134.10.20.22: /zeus
[03:45] <shadeofgrey> okay hang onb
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> shadeofgrey, there you go
[03:49] <bp> has anyone had any success getting USB devices to work under ubuntu?
[03:49] <_jon_> bp: my usb printer works fine
[03:49] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: I'm having some sort of sound card issues here.. it's like games are working with sound intermitantly. STrange.
[03:49] <tomaraya> Not a huge issue just kind of frustrating.
[03:50] <_jon_> tomaraya: alsa?
[03:50] <_jon_> not that i can help, i'm just curious
[03:50] <bp> jon: ok,  did it just work `out of the box` or did you have to change any configs to get USB working?
[03:50] <_jon_> out of the box :)
[03:50] <tuxdisciple> I've discovered that few adventures of mine are as unenjoyable as trying to get Ubuntu functional as a client in a Windows AD w/ Samba Servers
[03:51] <bp> grrr :P lol
[03:51] <tomaraya> _jon_: I'm sorry, what's alsa?
[03:51] <Yomega> sound drv
[03:51] <Yomega> like oss
[03:51] <tomaraya> Yeah. Sorry, I'm a total friggin newb.
[03:51] <tomaraya> How do I check my sound driver?
[03:51] <Yomega> more powerful, less stable
[03:51] <_jon_> tomaraya: there are a couple, oss alsa esd
[03:51] <Yomega> in gnomeconf
[03:52] <tomaraya> gnomeconf isn't a command.. where do I find it?
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> tuxdisciple, suse is very good for that
[03:53] <tomaraya> It looks like alsa is installed in Synaptic, however how do I get to gnomeconf so I can see what sound driver is currently being used?
[03:54] <michel> hello
[03:55] <DonL> Hi michel
[03:55] <michel> Hi Don
[03:55] <michel> first time here
[03:55] <DonL> Welcome. I just came in. Pretty quiet tonight so far
[03:56] <michel> have you been with ubuntu for a long time ?
[03:56] <tomaraya> Weird, if I start the game in the bash it works fine, but if I start it in gnome no sound
[03:56] <DonL> Three or four months I guess
[03:57] <michel> i have been with Fedora for a while and now i have change
[03:57] <DonL> That was the last distro I used too.
[03:57] <DonL> Before that it was Mandrake
[03:58] <michel> i'm not familiar with Ubuntu
[03:58] <michel> tell me for playing music is it as difficult as Fedora ?
[03:58] <tomaraya> _jon_, how do I find out what sound driver I'm using?
[03:58] <DonL> I never had any luck with Debian, although I like it
[03:59] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: some gnome wrapper script is borked i guess
[03:59] <OmniColos> any ibook airport savvy folks out there?
[03:59] <jakejarvis> anyone installed novell's hula on ubuntu?
[03:59] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: sounds like a gnome issue - not a sound problem
[03:59] <_jon_> tomaraya: i don't remember where to look off the top of my head, and my desktop is 5 hours away so i can't really look right now
[03:59] <thoreauputic> as such
[03:59] <OmniColos> I'm trying to get EAP-TTLS on a ibook with airport (not extreme)
[03:59] <_jon_> OmniColos: on which OS?
[04:00] <tomaraya> _jon_ *nod*
[04:00] <DonL> Sorry, michel, were you asking about music?
[04:00] <_jon_> you can try looking at the sound part of the gnome control center
[04:00] <tomaraya> Does anyone know how I would find out what sound driver I am currently using?
[04:00] <michel> yes!!
[04:01] <tomaraya> How do I access the gnome control center?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> tomaraya:  lsmod | grep snd
[04:01] <michel> is it that difficult with Ubuntu
[04:01] <DonL> michel, that's one thing I've never had problems with. I use a soundblaster live
[04:01] <DonL> ...and it seems to work flawlessly with any linux I've had
[04:02] <_jon_> gnome control center is in the system menu on gnome 2.8
[04:02] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: gnome-control-center , funnily enough ;)
[04:02] <michel> yes but with Fedora playing some files were quite hard
[04:03] <DonL> michel, I can't remember all the reasons, but I got fed up with fedora
[04:03] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: to see a bunch of gnome- commands,  type gnome- <tab> <tab>
[04:03] <thoreauputic> with the hyphen
[04:03] <DonL> I think it's because I like apt-get so much
[04:03] <error_29> DonL, hello.  Your comment inspires me to put my old soundblaster live back in my main box.
[04:03] <error_29>   Unfortunately, ubuntu and other Debian distros, don't work with my SB Audigy USB2 card.
[04:04] <michel> for the little that i've seen of Fedora i have found it annoying to search for dependencies
[04:04] <michel> excuse my english Don
[04:04] <DonL> error_29, yes, give it a shot. The onboard sound on my Motherboard was giving me grief, so that's what I did
[04:05] <gpled> anyone install bzflag?
[04:05] <DonL> michel, no problem with language. I think personally apt-get is superior to rpm
[04:05] <_jon_> i have
[04:05] <error_29> DonL:  Cool.  Unfortunately the only other use I have for the Audigy (otherwise fantastic device!) is on my laptop...
[04:05] <error_29> which is also using ubuntu and won't like it
[04:06] <tomaraya> Ah. The control center doesn't seemed to tell me what driver I use, but I'm gonna have to create a launcher for it, it looks useful.
[04:06] <error_29> Unless I can find a driver on the SB site or something
[04:06] <Faustus> anybody running a 486?
[04:06] <DonL> error_29, can't hurt to try
[04:06] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: did you try  lsmod | grep snd ?
[04:07] <tomaraya> No, I didn't. I will now. Are those two different commands, or do I put in the |?
[04:07] <error_29> yes, DonL.  I admit to being lazy when it comes to configuing soundcards...
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Faustus: nah - I use patch cords and vacuum tubes ;)
[04:07] <DonL> Faustus, I tried to run this on a 486
[04:07] <gpled> _jon_: how did you install it?
[04:07] <michel> thanks Don for the help
[04:07] <error_29> cause I always find them a complete pain in the ass!!!
[04:07] <DonL> Np.
[04:07] <_jon_> gpled: apt-get install bzflag
[04:07] <michel> bye
[04:07] <DonL> Bye, michel
[04:08] <gpled> _jon_: i get apt-get install bzflag
[04:08] <gpled> woops
[04:08] <gpled> E: Couldn't find package bzflag
[04:08] <_jon_> apt-cache search bzflag
[04:08] <thoreauputic> gpled: enable universe
[04:09] <gpled> thoreauputic: how do i do that?
[04:09] <DonL> gpled, do you use synaptic?
[04:09] <error_29> (you know, I love the sound of that command. "Enable Universe!" :)
[04:09] <thoreauputic> gpled: under settings in synaptic, repositories
[04:09] <gpled> DonL: I can
[04:09] <DonL> thoreauputic, snap
[04:10] <thoreauputic> I think - I'm in fluxbox and I'd need to look...
[04:10] <server16> what is the password that ubuntu sets for root on a default installation?
[04:10] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: No, I didn't. I will now. Are those two different commands, or do I put in the |?
[04:10] <thoreauputic> put in the |
[04:10] <MoonUnitAlpha> does anyone know how i can get my ipod to not be read only?
[04:10] <thoreauputic> it pipes the output to grep
[04:11] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: grep looks for strings (in this case, "snd")
[04:11] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: snd                    50660  11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[04:11] <StoffBox-Steve> ohh, a quick sleps on the chair is not the best ...
[04:11] <tomaraya> Doesn't really tell me anything, does it?
[04:12] <rempresent> what is a good program that is like dreamweaver for liux
[04:12] <rempresent> linux
[04:12] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: your driver is snd_intel8x0
[04:12] <calc> rempresent: nvu
[04:12] <joeblow1234> rempresent: u could also try quanta
[04:12] <calc> http://www.nvu.com/
[04:12] <rempresent> thanks
[04:12] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: at least, that's the important one
[04:12] <gpled> thoreauputic: think i have it.  reloading now.  thanks
[04:13] <thoreauputic> gpled: no worries ;)
[04:13] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Gotcha. How would I try the one that was suggested earlier?
[04:13] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: modprobe <drivername>
[04:14] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: but it doesn't sound like your problem is driver related - i think it's a gnome gotcha
[04:14] <tomaraya> Right.
[04:14] <tomaraya> No, that makes sense.
[04:14] <thoreauputic> from what you said
[04:14] <tomaraya> *nod*
[04:14] <tomaraya> Totally.
[04:14] <tomaraya> Sound works fine if I run from bash.
[04:14] <thoreauputic> exactly
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> i got amd... 3000+
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> nice
[04:14] <gpled> thoreauputic: wa hoo, just got a lot more files i can install :)
[04:15] <thoreauputic> gpled: yeah - thousands of 'em :)
[04:15] <tomaraya> Hmm. That's kind of annoying. Oh well, not a huge deal, don't play a lot of games.
[04:15] <tomaraya> Weird thing is like video players and whatnot seem to be playing fine.
[04:15] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: try running the command by typing alt-F2 and entering it - see if that works
[04:16] <server16> I just installed ubuntu, itr never prompted for a root password, I've tried some of the obvious ones but they did not work, is there a default that it sets for root?
[04:16] <MoonUnitAlpha> i'm new to linux and i want to be able to use my ipod, can anyone help?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> server16: no
[04:16] <thoreauputic> server16: use sudo or sudo -s with your user password
[04:16] <_jon_> server16: by default there is no root password
[04:16] <gpled> server16: do sudo    and put in your user passwd
[04:16] <server16> alrighty, thx
[04:17] <DonL> I thought it was annoying at first, but I'm learning to like sudo
[04:17] <gpled> server16: sudo apt-get install bzflag
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> DonL, i like opening a "root" terminal and doing commands from there
[04:17] <gpled> server16: and it will ask you for a passwrd
[04:17] <gpled> passwd
[04:17] <thoreauputic> DonL: if you need a root shell for a while, sudo -s is just as easy
[04:17] <error_29> thoreauputic, may i interrupt the flow here to throw in some effusive praise for
[04:17] <error_29> the way you help people on this channel
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> yup
[04:18] <DonL> I see a root terminal in the Applications drop-down
[04:18] <thoreauputic> error_29: thank you, appreciated :)
[04:18] <gpled> off to test bzflag :)
[04:18] <error_29> I'm learning so  much just whatching you work
[04:18] <_jon_> here here, thoreauputic is quite helpful
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> ditto, man
[04:18] <error_29> (not just about computers, learning about how to help people with tech)
[04:18] <thoreauputic> it's just my way of paying for my free CDs ;-)
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:18] <_jon_> heh
[04:19] <error_29> good karma gonna get yet thoreauputic !
[04:19] <error_29> oops "get you"
[04:19] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Nope, ALT+F2 didn't do anything. Thanks for the suggestion though, been making 'notes' in a text file.
[04:19] <DonL> I feel the same way, thoreauputic . All these free cds. What can I help with?
[04:19] <error_29> "apt-get thoreauputic"
[04:19] <tomaraya> I keep pressing Windows Key + D to get to the desktop, gotta learn to stop doing that hehe
[04:20] <thoreauputic> error_29: "unable to authenticate: maybe try --fix-missing?"
[04:20] <DonL> Is that what those windows keys were for? Never did figure that out
[04:20] <thoreauputic> error_29: ;-)
[04:20] <error_29> If it ain't missing, thoreauputic , don't fix it.
[04:21] <_jon_> could always map the windows key to ctrl or something useful
[04:21] <thoreauputic> hehe
[04:21] <error_29> especially if you're talking about a house pet
[04:21] <tomaraya> _jon_ Yeah, I'll have to figure out how to remap
[04:22] <_jon_> check in gnome-control-center
[04:22] <_jon_> :)
[04:23] <tomaraya> What directory is the floppy? (I'm trying to open a document I have in my floppy drive but I'm not sure how to browse to it)
[04:23] <tomaraya> _jon_, thanks!
[04:24] <_jon_> tomaraya: you have to mount it
[04:24] <DonL> tomaraya, it's in "media"
[04:25] <neonlightning> can someone send me a pm with all the stuff i should add too source.list
[04:26] <fr500> neonlightning http://desktopos.com/ubuntu-starter-guide/
[04:26] <tomaraya> I get this when I try to access the floppy (I was just gonna copy the file over) Unable to mount the selected volume.mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified.. Guess I"ll have to go back to Windows to print that.
[04:27] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: try mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
[04:27] <DonL> I had some major problems with the floppy at one time. It works well now, but it had something to do with the formatting of the disks.
[04:27] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: then cd mount
[04:27] <thoreauputic> and nautilus .
[04:27] <thoreauputic> that's a dot
[04:29] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Yeah, as soon as I typed that in it showed me all my docs on my floppy, nice.
[04:29] <tomaraya> Thanks again!
[04:29] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: :) glad it worked
[04:29] <tomaraya> cd mount didn't do anything though.
[04:30] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: ah - it just did it automagically
[04:30] <tomaraya> haha
[04:30] <DonL> thoreauputic, do you know how to make the change so you can point and click and have the same thing happen everytime?
[04:30] <tomaraya> Yeah
[04:30] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: it does that for stuff that's in fstab
[04:30] <DonL> (I'm a point and click kind of guy)
[04:30] <thoreauputic> DonL: you go to computer > places in nautilus
[04:31] <thoreauputic> and click the icon
[04:31] <DonL> That's the way it works for me now, but it seems to me I had to make some changes for that to happen
[04:31] <thoreauputic> or you add an applet for mounting removable media on the panel - right click, add the one  you want
[04:31] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: So now that mount is just going to stay in computer > disks?
[04:32] <StoffBox-Steve> Guys, when i installed a tools (SIM) thats normaly for KDE under Gome, what libs i needed or what changes i have to make to geht control oder the fontsize and Lang ?
[04:32] <DonL> The vfat format wasn't recognized for some reason
[04:32] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: don't quite follow you but, yeah, if it's mounted it should stay there until you unmount it
[04:32] <StoffBox-Steve> Good moring thoreauputic :)
[04:32] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: which is a good idea after you use a floppy
[04:33] <thoreauputic> morning, StoffBox-Steve
[04:33] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: if you remove a floppy without unmounting it can mess it up
[04:34] <linux_galor1> I hardly ever use floppies anymore
[04:34] <DonL> Some computers don't even offer floppies
[04:34] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Oh really?
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> is there a way to change the cursors in ubuntu?
[04:35] <linux_galor1> yeah I noticed....but you will also notice the same systems have cd-rw
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> easily?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: yeah, but ubutu uses automount so - it may not be an issue - i haven't checked that
[04:35] <tomaraya> So I have to unmount first.
[04:35] <DonL> linux_galor1, definitely
[04:35] <error_29> Folks, MoonUnitAlpha had a question earlier about mounting an ipod as not read-only, does that figure into these questions on mounting at all?
[04:35] <tomaraya> Well, looks straight forward enough, just right click and unmount.
[04:36] <StoffBox-Steve> thoreauputic, do you know what i needed to get control ober Fontsize and Lang. when i installed a Tool thats normaly for KDE linke SIM ( simple instant messeger ), i googeld but find nothink usefull :(
[04:36] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: well, I would - to avoid all chance of file corruption
[04:36] <tomaraya> Gotcha.
[04:36] <regeya> ot: I see we have a slayer fan here. :-)
[04:36] <linux_galor1> anyone created a multi sessions CD icon were you can drop files on it...
[04:36] <johnnybezak> any of you guys used daap?
[04:36] <tomaraya> regeya \../
[04:36] <regeya> hehe
[04:37] <tomaraya> You bet, long time fan.
[04:37] <regeya> oh crap.  I forgot I had a Safari subscription. :-/
[04:37] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: I'm not clear on exactly what you are doing - but you might try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:37] <linux_galor1> I personally just burn things in lots but Ive been asked how to make cd-rw icon were you can just drop file on it and it will burn
[04:37] <regeya> guess I'll get billed for another month. :-(
[04:37] <regeya> free money to oreilly from regeya
[04:37] <tomaraya> That's no good.
[04:38] <linux_galor1> I know in ubuntu you can burn cd's by just dropping files on a window but thats not quite the same
[04:38] <intrade> use k3b
[04:38] <regeya> indeed
[04:38] <error_29> (well, I tried, MoonUnitAlpha :))
[04:38] <linux_galor1> naaw k3b isnt an icon
[04:39] <regeya> why an icon?
[04:39] <DonL> Well I'm off for now. Good night
[04:39] <intrade> k3b is drop and drag
[04:39] <linux_galor1> and this sint for me I can burn cd's from the command line fine this is just something someone has thrown at me
[04:39] <regeya> I see what you're saying, but I don't see that as the "OMFG THAT RAWKS" type of thing
[04:39] <linux_galor1> intrade: yeah drop and drag window
[04:39] <intrade> yup
[04:39] <regeya> it should be possible to script that sort of thing easily...
[04:40] <linux_galor1> intrade: Im trying to get a drop and drag icon multi session cd on the desktop
[04:40] <intrade> ok
[04:40] <StoffBox-Steve> the problem is, i installed Sim ( simple instant messenger ), but he must get his Gloabl Config like Font and Lang form a KDE file, and thats bad under gnome; the fontsize is Bigger than Big; :( when i installed KDE and configure it.. Sim look nice in Gnome. so i what to know whats files i needed or change so sim get his Global Settings form Gnome
[04:40] <error_29> linux_galor1, this is probably off the wall, but could there to drop files onto a link to the app that would do the same?
[04:40] <linux_galor1> intrade: just something that you can do in windows but Im scratching me head on how to do it in Linux
[04:40] <regeya> then again, I'd like to do drag-and-drop multi-session in OS X too, and scripting such a thing might be neat.  darn you linux_galor1 now I'll have to think about it ;-)
[04:40] <error_29> sorry, bad typing
[04:41] <intrade> skype rules
[04:41] <intrade> sim is ass
[04:41] <regeya> it should be possible to a.) make an iso of the files you drop on an icon and b.) burn a session to disc; must utilize poopatorium first, though.
[04:41] <linux_galor1> regeya: someone said I could make a script and the icon runs the script but so far Im not having any luck
[04:42] <intrade> ok my friends i am out of here back to kanotix
[04:42] <linux_galor1> regeya: its also multi session
[04:43] <tomaraya> Once I've mounted the floppy drive, how do I open the file in OpenOffice?
[04:43] <linux_galor1> regeya: in one case he said he could turn the CD-RW into a hardisk (slow one) and just drop and delete files
[04:44] <TestDummy> Does Ubuntu have a firewall?
[04:44] <goldfish> iptables
[04:44] <goldfish> or something
[04:44] <TestDummy> Huh?
[04:44] <TestDummy> Hmm..
[04:44] <linux_galor1> TestDummy: yes
[04:44] <error_29> TestDummy, you can try something called Firestarter
[04:45] <linux_galor1> TestDummy: Linux has a firewall in general built in
[04:45] <TestDummy> And how would I goabout doing that?
[04:45] <error_29> really linux_galor1 ?
[04:45] <TestDummy> Er.. too many replies at once >_<
[04:45] <error_29> I didn't know that
[04:45] <linux_galor1> error_29: talking iptables netfilter still need a shell to define the rules
[04:45] <cisei> TestDummy: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[04:45] <TestDummy> And from there?
[04:46] <cisei> TestDummy: then start the application and run the wizard.
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> guarddog is a good app to configure the firewall
[04:46] <error_29> ah hah (googling iptables netfilter.  Cool. Thanks)
[04:46] <TestDummy> Does it show up in a menu or does it have to be called up on a terminal?
[04:46] <fr500> what would be a good choice to make a nat router on linux?
[04:46] <TestDummy> Er, or whatever
[04:46] <fr500> iptables?
[04:46] <cisei> TestDummy: I think that ubuntuguide.org has an entry.
[04:46] <linux_galor1> TestDummy: firestarter is a no brainer its a bit like zonelabs
[04:47] <TestDummy> Ah, alrighty.
[04:47] <linux_galor1> fr500: man iptables
[04:47] <TestDummy> I'll try that out then, see if it helps.
[04:47] <error_29> TestDummy, anyway, you can easily make a launcher for it or add it to a menu if you like
[04:47] <TestDummy> Okay, will do.
[04:47] <TestDummy> Thanks.
[04:47] <fr500> lol, i mean, what is a better choince to make a nat router, iptables or other program
[04:48] <linux_galor1> fr500: iptables is just that a set of tables that defines how the kernel handles packets
[04:48] <fr500> do i need iptables  to make nat? can kernel routing hadle it?
[04:48] <fr500> ok
[04:48] <fr500> so with kernel i would be able to make it all
[04:49] <linux_galor1> fr500: yes if iptables is there it should work just need to create a shell script with the rules in it ....easier though just to use a front end like firestarter or shorewall or ipcop
[04:49] <thor|coffee> fr500: firestarter has a NAT option which is "one click and it's done"
[04:50] <fr500> oh cool
[04:50] <fr500> thanks, i'm builiding a Via M1000 htpc+router
[04:50] <fr500> +access point
[04:51] <linux_galor1> yeah masq/nat no brainer clicky thing in firestarter you dont actually need the firestarter UI once you have created the firewall because firestarter is in two parts a daemon and a UI....the daemon doesnt need the UI
[04:51] <fr500> okie
[04:51] <fr500> +rom
[04:51] <fr500> oops
[04:52] <tomaraya> Once I've mounted the floppy drive, how do I open the file in OpenOffice?
[04:52] <linux_galor1> cool thing is you can copy the shellscript that firestarter creates when you run the wizard and edit a few things in the UI to your liking and put it on another machine to be run when it boots up
[04:52] <thoreauputic> tomaraya: just navigate to /media/floppy or whatever and open the file
[04:52] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Ok.
[04:53] <error_29> re Firestarter, in a previous install (I don't have it now) it drove me crazy showing constant hits.  Then I realized that it was taking hits from the other computer on my lan.  Doh!
[04:53] <error_29> how do I change that
[04:53] <tomaraya> I'm just not familiar with the file structure.
[04:53] <linux_galor1> error_29: you can edit the filter to not show all the none related hits
[04:53] <error_29> naive question I know, but networks are second only to soundcards in confusing me
[04:53] <thoreauputic> error_29: hehe - windows computer?
[04:53] <error_29> yes thoreauputic , how'd you guess ? ;-)
[04:53] <linux_galor1> error_29: its in the menu look for preferences  then click on filter and just disable all the output stuff
[04:54] <error_29> thanks linux_galor1
[04:54] <thoreauputic> error_29: oh, just a lucky stab in the dark ;)
[04:54] <FAST> anyone know of good free audio composition/effects software?   there was a suite/program i was looking at the other day, but didn't remember to bookmark it :\
[04:54] <linux_galor1> error_29: yeah firestarter has a habbit of showing lots of stray garbage that has no meaning
[04:54] <tomaraya> thoreauputic: Strange, it just shows a bunch of files with no names.
[04:54] <tomaraya> I'll just copy the file over onto the desktop.
[04:54] <thoreauputic> error_29: winsows does this thing where it broadcasts to the lan
[04:55] <error_29> "stray garbage that has no meaning" covers a lot of ground in Windows land, that's for sure, linux_galor1
[04:55] <thoreauputic> error_29: I forget the service - netbios maybe?
[04:55] <linux_galor1> FAST: lots of stuff like ardour or jammin
[04:55] <error_29> sorry thoreauputic , I'm clueless
[04:55] <FAST> ardour! that's it
[04:55] <linux_galor1> FAST: did you look on www.freshmeat.net
[04:56] <FAST> i tried installing ardour but had some problems getting the jack sound server working
[04:56] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[04:56] <error_29> All I know is one reason I switched to and love ubuntu on my laptop is I got tired of antivirus slowing everything down on
[04:56] <linux_galor1> FAST: I use Jammin  there is also rosegarden that pretty hard core muso stuff
[04:56] <error_29> an otherwise fast install of windows xp
[04:56] <FAST> free stuff?
[04:56] <shadeofgrey> i just downloaded the openoffice.org installer for 1.1.4 and it claims i cant update it because the previous version was a networkj install
[04:56] <linux_galor1> FAST: yes
[04:57] <FAST> thanks
[04:58] <linux_galor1> FAST: yeah need to have libjack stuff installed
[04:58] <shadeofgrey> whats a network install, and should i just remove openoffice altogther?  if so how do i do that?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey:  puhleaaase use synaptic or apt-get until you are more familiar with linux
[04:59] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: the previous one was the default ubuntu install, yes?
[04:59] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: did you read the install howto with Linux its a two stage thing  need to do a system install then run it as a suer and that sets up the user stuff
[04:59] <nano_> got a new installation on a IBM Thinkpad R30 unit.  CD will play music but XMMS will not stream (although it shows it's playing).  Any suggestions?
[04:59] <tomaraya> Night thoreauputic, thanks for all the help.
[05:00] <thoreauputic> welcome. tomaraya :)
[05:00] <error_29> nano_, is it mp3's you're trying?
[05:00] <shadeofgrey> yes the previous install was a ubuntu default installation
[05:00] <nano_> no i'm just running the stream from the shoutcast servers.
[05:00] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: and you should just have used synaptic and installed the new version it would have just gone straight in
[05:01] <shadeofgrey> the installer claims all i have to do is type setup -net and it'll update itself
[05:01] <ells> tritium: hey what is up?
[05:01] <nano_> like with smoothjazz.com
[05:01] <shadeofgrey> i think im going to try that and see what happens
[05:01] <error_29> I think, nano_ you may still need some multimedia plug-ins that don't come with ubuntu install
[05:01] <shadeofgrey> because i dont know how to update it using synaptic
[05:02] <shadeofgrey> is there any such thing as apt-get update <package>?
[05:02] <nano_> like what do you have in mind, error_29?  this works fine on my desktop unit.
[05:02] <error_29> ubuntu on the desktop, nano?
[05:02] <tritium> ells, hey there.
[05:02] <tritium> Not much.  You?
[05:02] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: you missed the point the whole idea of Ubuntu/Debian is all the packages are setup debugged and configured "for your desktop" if you download stuff and install the installers dont interface with your desktop well in many cases to icons are missing things are missing in your menu's etc ..the package manager and the packages dont just install software they configure the install too
[05:03] <nano_> yes, error_29, i have a Compaq non-laptop type computer that I run Ubuntu on.  XMMS and the whole sound gig works fine on it.
[05:04] <nano_> error_29: what's odd is some of the sound works but others (like xmms) doesn't.
[05:04] <FAST> how is it that i;m supposed to start the jack audio server?
[05:04] <error_29> well, nano_, if you're sure you've got all the same plug-ins for streaming media on both boxes, then i don't know
[05:04] <bl4cks4ils> hey
[05:04] <shadeofgrey> linux_ga:  okay - but how do i update it with synaptic?  there are a BUNCH of listings for openoffice and all i want to do isupdate it to 1.1.4
[05:04] <nano_> error_29: I'll double check.  Thanks for the lead!
[05:04] <shadeofgrey> and using apt-get is the same as using the visual synaptic installer right?
[05:04] <error_29> sure, nano_
[05:04] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: pick the core package for openoffice and what you need will be downloaded
[05:05] <bl4cks4ils> i'm using ubuntu ppc. is there a way i can get java and flash to work in my web browser?
[05:05] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: yeppers
[05:05] <nano_> error_29: I'll use synaptic to d/l all the xmms stuff.  Maybe that will fix it.
[05:05] <linux_galor1> nano_: might be your missing the xmms-also plugin'
[05:05] <linux_galor1> nano_: sorry xmms-alsa
[05:05] <error_29> nano_ I only installed xmms yesterday myself, and I think possibly it likes a log-out log back in to configure itself, but I'm not sure
[05:06] <nano_> roger that, linux_galor1
[05:06] <nano_> thanks for the help.   i'll check it out.  laters.
[05:07] <linux_galor1> is jre on the Ubuntu servers ....I dont know because I manually installed JRE 1.5.0
[05:07] <ells> tritium: I got my new computer together. the new board has video onboard and doe not play well with linux
[05:07] <Ainvar> will there be an iso for i686 machines?
[05:07] <shadeofgrey> okay...  synaptic shows the 2.0 core - but thats an alpha version... the latest stable is 1.1.4 and its not in the list
[05:07] <shadeofgrey> so now what?
[05:07] <ells> tritium: it talks about the frame buffer
[05:07] <Quest-Master> linux_galor1
[05:07] <Quest-Master> It isn't
[05:08] <linux_galor1> Quest-Master: ooh well
[05:08] <error_29> bl4cks4ils, check the info on here: http://ubuntuguide.org/ if you haven't already.  Not sure if it covers ppc though
[05:08] <Quest-Master> Somebody personally compiled there own .debs, but they aren't supported
[05:08] <tritium> ells, what video chip?
[05:08] <ells> sis
[05:08] <ells> tritium: i believe
[05:09] <tritium> hmm
[05:09] <linux_galor1> bl4cks4ils: goto  http://java.sun.com  download JRE 1.5.0  and then you have to create a link to your mozilla/firefox plugins directory  explain that when you have jre
[05:09] <ells> tritium: I guess I will be forced to put windows on my new machine
[05:09] <ells> tritium: at least for now.
[05:09] <tritium> linux_galor1, you can use java-package to build your own java .deb
[05:09] <shadeofgrey> linux_galor:  theres no 1.1.4 listed in synaptic - just 2.0 -- so what do i do?
[05:09] <bl4cks4ils> i have jre installed.
[05:10] <tritium> ells, you're sure there's no support for that chip?
[05:10] <shadeofgrey> hiya tritium
[05:10] <shadeofgrey> hows it goin
[05:10] <tritium> ells, what does lspci tell you it is?
[05:10] <tritium> shadeofgrey, fine, thanks.  Yourself?
[05:10] <ells> tritium: i tried to install ubuntu and it locked up trying to enable the fram buffer or something
[05:10] <linux_galor1> tritium: dont know never done it but I cant see why not its just a tarball after you run the binary license
[05:10] <shadeofgrey> tritium:  im okay.  would be better if i knew how to update openoffice to 1.1.4
[05:10] <linux_galor1> tritium: need to add some scripting to create the links
[05:11] <shadeofgrey> tritium:  synaptic only lists 2.0 alpha as an upgrade -- and from what ive read 2.0 is still VERY unstable
[05:11] <tritium> linux_galor1, it's up to you, but it's definitely possible
[05:11] <tritium> shadeofgrey, it isn't working quite as well yet, yes
[05:12] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: wait a few weeks and it will be the default lol
[05:12] <tritium> shadeofgrey, and even in hoary, the highest stable version at the moment is 1.1.3
[05:13] <shadeofgrey> i think i may just say screw it and install 2....  1.1.3 has bugs in it that are really bothering me....
[05:13] <FAST> so do you have to be a rocket scientist to know how to run jackd audio server? jesus
[05:13] <shadeofgrey> how long till the stable 2.0 is released?
[05:13] <shadeofgrey> anybody know?
[05:13] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: the 1.9/2.0 stuff has been going for a long time now
[05:13] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: I was told this 1/4
[05:13] <tritium> shadeofgrey, you can have it installed along with 1.1.3
[05:14] <linux_galor1> reviews of OOo 2.0 have been good
[05:14] <shadeofgrey> well.. i just selected 2 and said apply.  that should upgrade 1.1.3 right?
[05:15] <linux_galor1> now have an access like database
[05:15] <shadeofgrey> or do i have to remove 1.1.3 first?
[05:15] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: yep
[05:15] <shadeofgrey> yep i have to remove it or yep its okay
[05:15] <tritium> shadeofgrey, no.  I have both installed right now.
[05:15] <tritium> It should install without removing 1.1.3
[05:15] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: hmm last time I did the debian update of OOo I had to remove it before the install
[05:15] <shadeofgrey> then how do i remove 3?
[05:16] <tritium> you don't have to unless you want to
[05:16] <tritium> if you do, use apt, or synaptic, or tool of your choice
[05:19] <tritium> Hi jordi_
[05:19] <shadeofgrey> i have a question -- why is iut that when yo7u completely remove stuff it has to INSTALL packages first?
[05:20] <shadeofgrey> that makes no sense to me
[05:24] <FAST> is there a gui program for starting/configuring  jack audio server?
[05:25] <ells> tritium: I will probably have to go buy a nice agp card
[05:26] <ells> tritium: my old agp wont fit on this new board
[05:26] <tritium> ells, did you check out lspci output?  what chip is it?
[05:26] <ells> tritium: the slot seems to be different
[05:26] <GooseyGoose> hey peoples
[05:26] <GooseyGoose> what's specific to ubuntu ?
[05:26] <GooseyGoose> or attractive ?
[05:26] <ells> tritium I will have to wiat a sec
[05:26] <GooseyGoose> in anyones retrospective
[05:26] <Yomic> Free CDs Goose :D
[05:26] <GooseyGoose> who's using it
[05:26] <ells> tritium: I am putting xp on it
[05:26] <Yomic> ;P
[05:26] <rt> it fits on one cd. :-)
[05:26] <ells> tritium: unfortunately
[05:26] <tritium> ells, eww
[05:27] <ells> tritium: I know
[05:27] <ells> tritium: something to do with the frame buffer
[05:28] <Yomic> Goose: There is also a huge community of people which is useful for help and actual development of the OS.
[05:29] <error_29> GooseyGoose, read this channel for a while and those questions will be answered in the course of time
[05:29] <GooseyGoose> just did
[05:29] <GooseyGoose> not all in entirety
[05:29] <rt> i like ubuntu because for the most part it seems like it just works.
[05:29] <GooseyGoose> I mean, just started.
[05:29] <GooseyGoose> also pulling down a simply 560 MB iso
[05:30] <GooseyGoose> simple<-
[05:30] <rt> you install it, it doesn't require a lot of attention.
[05:30] <GooseyGoose> any pitfalls to look out for ?
[05:30] <GooseyGoose> from personal experience in here ?
[05:30] <rt> updates are pretty easy.
[05:30] <jakejarvis> i'm trying to install automake from the ftp.cygnus.com location and can't get to it - getting a login error - anyone know of any mirrors?
[05:30] <goldfish> it wont crash like wondows does
[05:30] <goldfish> look out for that
[05:30] <GooseyGoose> I saw someone two eves ago claiming happy success getting mono 1.1.4 on their ubuntu
[05:30] <goldfish> *windows
[05:30] <Yomic> Haha, Goldfish.
[05:30] <goldfish> :)
[05:31] <Yomic> ;D
[05:31] <GooseyGoose> cygnus - heh, I went for that name in the 80's
[05:31] <goldfish> I am a n00b to linux, but ubuntu seems great.
[05:31] <GooseyGoose> for Cygnus Software,  and probably 1,000 other people. lol
[05:31] <ells> tritium: have agp cards changed the way the fit in the slots? just curious
[05:31] <goldfish> HAsnt crashed once.
[05:31] <GooseyGoose> until the meteor hits, we're all n00bs
[05:31] <tritium> ells, no
[05:31] <goldfish> lol
[05:31] <GooseyGoose> then hmm.. I don't know what we are
[05:31] <Yomic> I don't even know how to setup an internet connecion :(
[05:31] <GooseyGoose> notta notta notta, not going to work here anymore <- office space
[05:31] <ells> my old agp card wont fit in this new slot
[05:32] <ells> tritium: i got it for my old desktop
[05:32] <GooseyGoose> slot problems eh ?
[05:32] <Yomic> GG: I believe you have my stapler.
[05:32] <ells> sort of
[05:32] <GooseyGoose> M: burn this whole building down...
[05:33] <GooseyGoose> M: There's no salt in my margarita, I could take my business to another resort you know...  last scene I think.
[05:33] <GooseyGoose> any ubuntu specific features ?
[05:33] <ells> tritium: they must have changed the way they fit into the newer boards
[05:33] <GooseyGoose> I mean, what defines ubuntu ?
[05:33] <GooseyGoose> pure curiosity as to others insights here
[05:33] <Enmity> how hard is it to set up a laptop as a smtp server to send mail?
[05:34] <tritium> ells, I don't think so, but I haven't bought hardware in a long tie
[05:34] <tritium> time
[05:34] <rt> it's like debian, but frequently released and without all the irritation.
[05:34] <ells> tritium: that is what I mean. i got this card almost 6 years ago
[05:34] <tritium> GooseyGoose, have you checked out the website/wiki/forums?
[05:34] <GooseyGoose> Ubuntu is an African word, which has been described as "too beautiful to translate into English". The essence of ubuntu is that "a person is a person through other people". It describes humanity as "being-with-others" and prescribes what "being-with-others" should be all about. Ubuntu emphasises sharing, consensus, and togetherness. It's a perfect concept for Free Software and open source. Here's a great article that describes Ubunt
[05:34] <GooseyGoose> wow
[05:34] <GooseyGoose> this matches almost identically with what I'VE come up with after 30 +  revolutions around the sun
[05:35] <GooseyGoose> this ubuntu in concept -
[05:35] <goldfish> haha
[05:35] <GooseyGoose> that's terrific, that's wow -
[05:35] <GooseyGoose> that's crossing the line mayaaahen
[05:35] <tritium> ells, they made agp cards six years ago?
[05:35] <GooseyGoose> no, seriously, that's embedded spiritual foundation -
[05:35] <GooseyGoose> that's a beeeeet more than a capitalistic model can offer, in a real good way
[05:35] <GooseyGoose> I've literally been contemplating lately that we are more our selves through others than not
[05:36] <GooseyGoose> and here I read ubuntu definition - jeebus
[05:36] <Quest-Master> Yomic: Are you the Yomic from Gaming World? :o
[05:36] <GooseyGoose> that's just - hmmm... killer.
[05:36] <goldfish> well......
[05:36] <tritium> ells, I think you have a standard pci slot and card
[05:36] <LinuxJones> GooseyGoose, can yoiu please shorten ur name please ?
[05:36] <GooseyGoose> all I want it for is a dev platform. sure.
[05:36] <goldfish> haha
[05:36] <Yomic> QM: Yes, I am.
[05:36] <LinuxJones> tty :)
[05:36] <Yomic> What's up QM :D
[05:37] <Sinistar> yeah, that name is a bit - rough - sry bout that
[05:37] <Quest-Master> Haha.
[05:37] <Quest-Master> :D
[05:37] <goldfish> whhy the name shorten request?
[05:37] <goldfish> -h
[05:37] <Sinistar> just look above - heh
[05:37] <Yomic> rami told me to ask you about linux and such :D
[05:37] <Quest-Master> Awesome.
[05:37] <LinuxJones> goldfish, can you please shorten ur name ??
[05:37] <Sinistar> I was rotating video games I enjoyed last eve, that works.
[05:37] <goldfish> haha
[05:37] <goldfish> LinuxJones: no
[05:37] <goldfish> :)
[05:37] <LinuxJones> :)
[05:37] <goldfish> well i could
[05:38] <goldfish> if u really want
[05:38] <LinuxJones> nah
[05:38] <Sinistar> rt it is as if it is
[05:38] <goldfish> :)
[05:38] <goldfish> shit
[05:38] <goldfish> 4:38am
[05:38] <neiras> Hi there... how can I get a list of devices on my ISA bus?
[05:38] <goldfish> i need bed
[05:38] <LinuxJones> goldfish, 00:38 here
[05:38] <tomaraya> GooseyGoose is only one character more than LinuxJones :S
[05:39] <neiras> Wow, Ubuntu is as bad as WoW for sucking life away eh :D
[05:39] <LinuxJones> tomaraya, I wasn't getting my Long Name Props :)
[05:39] <tomaraya> neiras, nothing is as bad as WoW for sucking life away
[05:39] <tomaraya> LinuxJones: Word up.
[05:39] <ells> tritium: I am certain my card is agp
[05:39] <Sinistar> tomaraya - now that you mention it, heh.  Now, the iteration of Goose
[05:39] <LinuxJones> :D
[05:39] <Sinistar> I was Moose yesterday
[05:39] <neiras> tomaraya, true, true
[05:39] <Sinistar> MooseyMoose, then GooseyMoose  - it's all good.
[05:40] <neiras> tomaraya, It works great under Ubuntu eh
[05:40] <Sinistar> in fact,
[05:40] <Sinistar> considering ubuntu - and my newly discovered encounter with its meaning - heh
[05:40] <FAST> is there a gui program for starting/configuring  jack audio server? :\
[05:40] <Sinistar> AND that it's about where I'm at with looking at things conincidently -
[05:40] <tritium> ells, your new card, yes.  But I think your mobo has a standard pci slot
[05:40] <Sinistar> I'd say - that ubuntu might be a good name for my ideal revision of IRC RFC 1459
[05:41] <Sinistar> to allow for truly anonymous - re-use of group shared nick
[05:41] <tomaraya> neiras, I've heard of a few people having problems with it. To be honest with you I'm still switching over to Windows XP to play it. :p I'm a newb though, this is only day three or four.. as soon as I figure out how to open Word docs with OpenOffice off a floppy drive ..
[05:41] <Sinistar> not unlike in published symposiums
[05:41] <Sinistar> this feature is not available in RFC 1459
[05:41] <tomaraya> then I won't ever need to boot into XP anymore!
[05:41] <Sinistar> and I think, would be 'ubuntu'
[05:41] <Sinistar> in concept
[05:41] <Quest-Master> Yomic: Installed Ubuntu yet?
[05:41] <tritium> ells, please run lspci
[05:41] <Sinistar> promoting a topic centric dialogue, as there would be no GooseyGoose
[05:41] <neiras> tomaraya, at the office we are getting better framerates than we get under windows - our only issues have been mouse cursor stuff
[05:41] <ells> tritium: okay
[05:42] <BrianAnthony> can someone please tell me how to stop vesafb from loading?
[05:42] <BrianAnthony> It's crashing X and my computer
[05:42] <Sinistar> there would be 'Disciple' and 'Landrew' as the only nicks ever used.
[05:42] <tomaraya> neiras, that's awesome. It's great to hear that it runs better.
[05:42] <ells> tritium: will that work within windows
[05:42] <tritium> BrianAnthony, you can blacklist it by putting it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:42] <tritium> ells, no
[05:42] <Sinistar> can I trust VMWare with Ubuntu ?
[05:42] <tritium> ells, do you have a live CD?
[05:42] <neiras> tomaraya, RAM is the kicker - the reason it works better under Linux is that it swaps less
[05:42] <BrianAnthony> tritium: I've put it in there, but it still loads
[05:43] <ells> tritium: yes
[05:43] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: I stole your modems =P
[05:43] <tritium> BrianAnthony, another module probably depends on it
[05:43] <neiras> tomaraya, get a gig of ram and there's no jerkiness in Ironforge
[05:43] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony?
[05:43] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: oh, yeah
[05:43] <Amaranth> cool
[05:43] <msg43> how stable is ubuntu hoary?
[05:43] <tomaraya> neiras, it's about time I upgrade to a gig.
[05:43] <tomaraya> I'm gonna take off for the night, night.
[05:44] <Amaranth> msg43: Are you comfortable with a command line?
[05:44] <msg43> Amaranth: Some what
[05:44] <Yomic> How do you setup a Cable connection in Ubuntu?
[05:44] <Amaranth> Yomic: Hook the modem to your ethernet card and turn the computer on.
[05:44] <tritium> ells, use that live CD.  If you run lspci, you can ascertain if you have AGP
[05:44] <tritium> there's also lspci -v
[05:45] <ells> tritium: cool
[05:45] <Amaranth> tritium: Pretty sure -vv and -vvv will show even more. :D
[05:45] <msg43> Amaranth: I need to get ndiswrapper working and I need the kernel / header and someone told me I sould use hoary
[05:45] <Amaranth> +ndiswrapper
[05:45] <Amaranth> doh, that isn't in the bot
[05:45] <Yomic> Amaranth: Sounds difficult. How would go about turning your computr on?
[05:45] <Yomic> Heh.
[05:45] <Yomic> ;P
[05:47] <Amaranth> msg43: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[05:48] <msg43> I can never find ndiswrapper-utils on my woary cd or the current stable final realse
[05:50] <Enmity> Is it possible to send mail straight from your laptop from an internet cafe without and ISP or accound or SMTP server?
[05:51] <msg43> amaranth: is hoary stabel that all I want to know
[05:52] <cj> help!
[05:53] <MoonUnitAlpha> does anyone here have experience with an ipod on ubuntu?
[05:53] <cj> I can't get my cisco aironet to work with stable
[05:53] <Amaranth> msg43: I haven't used it in a month, I dunno.
[05:53] <Esteban4> does anyone know the compatibility of sapire ATI radeon cards like x300 or x700 with ubuntu?
[05:54] <msg43> oh ok
[05:54] <Amaranth> Esteban4: Check ATI's website. If their binary driver for linux supports it it should run ok.
[05:54] <mebaran151> esteban
[05:54] <mebaran151> the linux driver works
[05:54] <Esteban4> awesome..thanks
[05:54] <mebaran151> but not all the advance features run
[05:56] <mebaran151> I want cheese
[06:00] <johnnybezak> clear
[06:00] <ells> tritium: I ran it, what am I looking for
[06:00] <tritium> AGP
[06:00] <MoonUnitAlpha> does anyone know how to get automounted devices to be read/write and not read only?
[06:01] <cj> MoonUnitAlpha: filesystem?
[06:01] <ells> it says pci/agp
[06:02] <MoonUnitAlpha> hfsplus
[06:02] <tritium> ells, paste it on pastebin?
[06:02] <johnnybezak> ipod?
[06:02] <ells> tritium: paste bin?
[06:02] <MoonUnitAlpha> yep
[06:02] <ells> I can just retype it
[06:02] <johnnybezak> is it just in fstab?
[06:03] <MoonUnitAlpha> even after i added a line for it in the fstab, it still wouldn't let me write to it
[06:03] <MoonUnitAlpha> probably i'm putting something in wrong
[06:04] <johnnybezak> i'm not sure man
[06:04] <MoonUnitAlpha> it used to work in debian, but since i switched to ubuntu, it mounts as read only for some reason
[06:04] <ells> Tritium: 000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  661FX/M 661FX/M661MX741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP
[06:04] <johnnybezak> wild guess: could you just change the permissions of the /dev file?
[06:05] <MoonUnitAlpha> when i select the device as it shows up on the desktop, i can't change the permissions
[06:05] <MoonUnitAlpha> any idea how i can do that?
[06:05] <johnnybezak> yeah just do it from cli
[06:05] <ells> tritium: you still there
[06:05] <MoonUnitAlpha> kinda new to the linux thing, what is that?
[06:05] <johnnybezak> type sudo chmod 755 /dev/whatevertheipodis
[06:05] <cj> anyone have experience with cisco aironet 340 on ubuntu
[06:05] <neiras> Wow, that's great to see,,, Really new people using Ubuntu
[06:05] <johnnybezak> or hang on wait a sec
[06:06] <lynrob> please help me mount plex writer
[06:06] <MoonUnitAlpha> i had some help getting debian up and going, but i hate windows, so i wanted to switch
[06:06] <johnnybezak> MoonUnitAlpha: give me one sec and i'll get the command for you
[06:06] <MoonUnitAlpha> nthanks
[06:07] <tritium> ells, yes
[06:07] <tritium> ells, is the slot brown?
[06:07] <tritium> or white?
[06:07] <ells> yes
[06:07] <ells> brown
[06:07] <tritium> yeah, that sounds like an agp slot
[06:07] <ells> tritium: i took my old agp and tried to put it in my new computer
[06:07] <johnnybezak> MoonUnitAlpa: whats the /dev/ address fro the ipod
[06:08] <MoonUnitAlpha> sda3
[06:08] <ells> tritium: I really think that agp card slotting has changed
[06:08] <ells> since 99
[06:08] <tritium> ells, you might have a PCI Express
[06:08] <johnnybezak> ok type sudo chown yourusername /dev/sda
[06:08] <johnnybezak> then type
[06:08] <ells> tritium: really
[06:08] <johnnybezak> chmod 755 /dev/sda
[06:08] <ells> tritium: how would one know
[06:09] <tritium> ells, you just bought a new mobo?
[06:09] <Gor1> Having some problems with backports here.  I added "deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main" to my /etc/apt/sources.list.  Specifically I am after thunderbird 1.0.  But when I reload in synaptic, all I am seeing is mozilla-thunderbird 0.8.  Any thoughts?
[06:09] <ells> yes
[06:10] <ells> tritium: my doc says it has a 8X/4X slot
[06:10] <tritium> ells, don't know without seeing it then
[06:11] <ells> tritium: I took it from my old board and attmpted to put it on my new board, no dice Chicago
[06:12] <srid> how to send mouse-right-click even when a particular 'key' is pressed?
[06:12] <MoonUnitAlpha> stupid thing still tells me it's a read only disk
[06:13] <johnnybezak> MoonUnitAlpha
[06:13] <MoonUnitAlpha> yes?
[06:13] <johnnybezak> did you type that first command with /dev/sda3 and instead of yourusername your actual user name
[06:14] <johnnybezak> whats your user name?
[06:14] <MoonUnitAlpha> adam
[06:15] <MoonUnitAlpha> yeah
[06:15] <Gor1> Actually MoonUnitAlpha I believe changing the permissions of the dev node will not alter your permissions to the device itself.  Do you actually have it mounted in rw mode?
[06:15] <MoonUnitAlpha> i at least do know that much, thankfully ;-)
[06:15] <johnnybezak> Gor1: you take over :) i'm only guessing :)
[06:15] <MoonUnitAlpha> well, ubuntu is automounting it
[06:16] <MoonUnitAlpha> i tried putting a line in the fstab, didn't seem to make any difference
[06:16] <Gor1> what is the line you put into the fstab?
[06:17] <MoonUnitAlpha> /dev/sda3 /media/sda3 hfsplus rw,user 0 0
[06:17] <error_29> hey MoonUnitAlpha -- glad to see you persevering ... :-)
[06:18] <MoonUnitAlpha> i've never met a computer problem i couldn't work through, i won
[06:18] <MoonUnitAlpha> let this be the first
[06:18] <MoonUnitAlpha> besides, i hate windows enough that i'm willing to put up with a bit of learning to not have to use it
[06:19] <Lorchaos> hehe welcome to the club
[06:19] <johnnybezak> haha you haven't been using linux long have you :P
[06:19] <johnnybezak> jk
[06:19] <compmanio36> only reason I keep windows around is for gaming
[06:19] <compmanio36> and DVD stuff
[06:19] <Lorchaos> use cedega
[06:19] <Lorchaos> or a Xbox
[06:19] <Lorchaos> :/
[06:19] <compmanio36> eh, true
[06:19] <error_29> my feelings too MoonUnitAlpha , (tho' I don't put up with the learning, I thrive on it)
[06:19] <MoonUnitAlpha> well, i'd been running debian for about 5 months, had some help setting it up
[06:19] <compmanio36> can't afford a console
[06:20] <Gor1> wait, MoonUnitAlpha you are mounding it as a hfsplus filesystem?  I thought iPOD's were vfat
[06:20] <MoonUnitAlpha> got annoyed with some things about debian, so i switched
[06:20] <error_29> good thing, cause I also have to do a lot of relearning :(
[06:20] <MoonUnitAlpha> well, the ones that are meant for mac osx
[06:20] <compmanio36> and I need to get the gumption to grapple with Cedega
[06:20] <MoonUnitAlpha> come as hfsplus
[06:20] <MoonUnitAlpha> it had worked fine in debian
[06:21] <johnnybezak> MoonUnitAlpha: heres the howto i used to get a mac ipod working with ubuntu
[06:21] <johnnybezak> http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[06:21] <johnnybezak> Gor1: hfsplus for mac formatted ipods
[06:22] <johnnybezak> search for "Thomas McMahon" (thats me)
[06:22] <Amaranth> Gor1: They use either HFS+ or FAT32. The FAT32 ones suck because there are chars you can't include in file names when using it. HFS+ allows everything except :/
[06:22] <johnnybezak> and after that is how i did it
[06:23] <Amaranth> That's a colon and the char after was supposed to be a period. :P
[06:25] <regeya> with hfs and hfs+, colons signify folders
[06:26] <regeya> sure, os x uses forward slashes as it should, but colons also signify folders...maybe that's just a mac classic thing
[06:26] <regeya> just try to convince long-time mac users to not use forward slashes in filenames; it's impossible
[06:28] <regeya> way offtopic: at the office I work at, people like to add "*" to the beginning of important files instead of using labels
[06:29] <MoonUnitAlpha> i'm just curious why it mounted as read only
[06:29] <regeya> and if it's more important, more than one wildcard
[06:29] <johnnybezak> MoonUnitAlpa: I can't tell you man sorry :P
[06:29] <regeya> so it's fun when I run across "*******IMPORTANT DONT F'IN TRASH"
[06:30] <compmanio36> LOL
[06:30] <johnnybezak> thats screwed
[06:30] <ells> trtium: I just checked and they have changed the agp slot and cards, because of voltage
[06:31] <StoffBox-Steve> OT *lol* regeya > *********************************[The/Perfekt\Tea]   <<< user how use think like this .... oh god ... a buy you a shotgun *GG*
[06:31] <regeya> hehe
[06:32] <regeya> working with a mixed os x/mac classic environment really sharpened my shellscripting skills
[06:32] <StoffBox-Steve> be back.. time for a new Perfekt Tea ^^
[06:33] <error_29> Where I work, people think the mouse will pee in your hand from fright if you click the right button.
[06:33] <regeya> HEH
[06:34] <regeya> back in 1984, we had one button and we liked it!
[06:34] <compmanio36> LOL
[06:34] <error_29> and fifteen thousand emacs key bindings
[06:34] <error_29> er, I guess not
[06:35] <error_29> (ignorant nooooob here!)
[06:35] <compmanio36> i love that on mac's w/ their one button mice you have to press ctrl to act as a right mouse button.......took me forever to learn that
[06:35] <regeya> really shocks me that modern macs still ship with one button mice...especially since they're shipping Aquafied OpenStep these days...anyway...
[06:35] <regeya> ever price a real apple one-button mouse, like the ones that ship with Macs?  last time I checked, they were $60.
[06:35] <error_29> I'm hating this "press both buttons to simulate middle click" crap.  On a laptop.
[06:36] <compmanio36> and the fact that they are so freaking long?  like it doesn't fit to your hand
[06:36] <OrangeSlice> whee
[06:36] <regeya> also, the cords wear out quickly (at least they do in my experience)
[06:36] <regeya> okay, I'm really sorry for being so offtopic in #ubuntu.  I'll stop, promise. :-)
[06:36] <error_29> Apple design should come with warning, look don't touch.
[06:36] <error_29> but I want a mac mini anyway
[06:37] <regeya> heh...cute l'il buggers, aren't they?
[06:37] <MoonUnitAlpha> well i have a mac laptop which i really like, but i have more music on my desktop, which is why i want the ipod to work with that ;-)
[06:38] <Faustus> does anyone know if you can set a 486s bios to boot from CD_
[06:38] <error_29> yeah regeya, if they had a line in, more memory and a couple more usb ports I'd be sold
[06:38] <compmanio36> if I could get a mac like I can a PC I would have one as a second PC
[06:38] <compmanio36> computer anyways
[06:38] <sjoerd> Faustus: very very small chance that it supports that
[06:38] <compmanio36> faustus, ain't gonna happen
[06:38] <compmanio36> just too old
[06:39] <Faustus> k causeI cuold figure out how to do that.  I rearrainged boot order from A to C to C to A without luck
[06:39] <johnnybezak> Faustus: hehe really eekin the life out of the old hardware :)
[06:40] <compmanio36> create a boot disk, like Win98 emergency disk, and that should let you run CD
[06:40] <Faustus> Well I just picked up a moniter for this pc I want to fool around with.  I usually run debian-ubuntu on macs
[06:40] <compmanio36> unless.......uh...you are trying to install ubuntu...........LOL
[06:40] <compmanio36> :P
[06:41] <Faustus> coupmanio36: are you saying ubutnu will not install onto to a 486?
[06:42] <compmanio36> it will, but it will not boot from cd, and a 98 boot disk will not recognize the linux file system on an ubuntu install cd
[06:42] <compmanio36> I am sure there is a way to do it, but you need to find a way to do it from a linux boot disk
[06:43] <Faustus> thnks
[06:44] <StoffBox-Steve> check this > http://www.ipt.ntnu.no/~knutb/linux486/linux486.html < maybe there is help
[06:45] <Faustus> right on!
[06:45] <regeya> last I knew, the stock ubuntu kernel didn't have compiled-in support for trivial things like, oh, ide.
[06:46] <StoffBox-Steve> there is regeya i know.. i look yesterday for a Netboot image :)
[06:47] <ells> trtium: you still there
[06:47] <ells> tritium: you still there
[06:47] <tritium> yes
[06:48] <ells> tritium: I found out that agp card slots have changed
[06:48] <tritium> Is that so?
[06:48] <ells> yeap
[06:48] <ells> since about 2000
[06:48] <ells> mine was before
[06:48] <tritium> I see
[06:48] <ells> my loss
[06:48] <tritium> sorry
[06:48] <ells> tritium: no problem, can you walk me through remote desktop
[06:48] <ells> with windows pro
[06:49] <ells> tritium: it asks for certain things
[06:50] <tritium> ells, possibly
[06:50] <ells> okay, do you want to go private for this one
[06:50] <tritium> I guess
[06:51] <ells> okay
[06:51] <johnnybezak> *wolf whistles*
[06:58] <TestDummy> Er, I'm having a little trouble with Firestarter.
[07:00] <mebaran151> TestDummy, what does it do
[07:00] <TestDummy> Well, it seems on boot I have to start it manually though terminal then every few minutes it seems to go off and have to restart
[07:01] <mebaran151> it is on
[07:01] <mebaran151> I wouldnt worry to hard
[07:01] <mebaran151> it is only a frontend to iptables
[07:01] <TestDummy> Not to mention have to unplug and plug back in my modem like three times after boot to get the connection
[07:01] <mebaran151> which probably loaded
[07:01] <mebaran151> hmm
[07:01] <TestDummy> Well, I'm not sure if it starts up or not
[07:01] <TestDummy> Frontend eh?
[07:02] <TestDummy> Well, it says it's disabled when it goes off..
[07:04] <TestDummy> Blah
[07:06] <mebaran151> ah
[07:07] <mebaran151> that means iptables is sort of messing up
[07:07] <mebaran151> your problem isnt firestarter
[07:07] <mebaran151> it is iptables
[07:07] <mebaran151> which is kernel based
[07:08] <sri> hey is 2.6.10-4 still unstable?
[07:09] <sri> someone was saying that linux-image-2.6.10-4 was causing problems
[07:10] <sri> it just downloaded for me and I want t omake sure I don't get nailed by instability
[07:10] <delltony> what is a good download manager i can't get d4x to work for some reason keep getting gtk-critical errors
[07:10] <delltony> gdk-critical i mean
[07:17] <Esteban4> not to be the newbie here, but i really would like to build a shuttle box, preferably intel, but most of the parts I would like to build it with havent shown up on the wiki... does anyone know or have extensive knowledge of ubuntu and shuttle boxes by any chance
[07:17] <Sinistar> why shuttle ?
[07:17] <Esteban4> b/c of their small form factor
[07:17] <Sinistar> i see
[07:17] <Sinistar> clear
[07:18] <shadeofgrey> whats thebest CD burning program thats graphical for ubuntu?
[07:19] <MoonUnitAlpha> k3b is what i use shadeofgrey
[07:19] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: your kidding Ubuntu has a built in burner
[07:19] <OrangeSlice> cdrdao!
[07:19] <OrangeSlice> oh, wait, graphical
[07:19] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: Nautilus the file browser can burn CD's on the fly
[07:19] <OrangeSlice> graveman is nice, for gnome.
[07:19] <OrangeSlice> k3b is very advanced, but for KDE (have to install libs)
[07:19] <MoonUnitAlpha> i'm just too used to using nero...
[07:20] <johnnybezak> k3b is like nero
[07:20] <linux_galor1> naaaw Ive used ubuntu and it has a simple rig for burning it uses Nautilus as the graphical front end
[07:20] <johnnybezak> its pretty dam sweet
[07:20] <OrangeSlice> yeah k3b is the linux equivalent
[07:20] <linux_galor1> yeah k3b is pretty cool but Ubuntu uses gtk desktop by default
[07:20] <OrangeSlice> an example of open source matching commercial software
[07:20] <shadeofgrey> can i do apt-get install k3b?
[07:20] <MoonUnitAlpha> yep
[07:21] <OrangeSlice> and 60mb of kdelibs :) hehe
[07:21] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: you can but it will download about 20 packages because it uses the kde desktop
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> wait
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> if i use k3b that means i have to switch from gnome to KDE?
[07:21] <OrangeSlice> I'd really reccomend graveman, it's nice, easy to use, and for gnome.
[07:21] <johnnybezak> it wont download all the kde stuff though will it?
[07:21] <johnnybezak> shadeofgrey: no
[07:21] <MoonUnitAlpha> nah, it'll run in gnome, just has to load kde libs
[07:21] <OrangeSlice> kdeinit >.>
[07:22] <OrangeSlice> memory hog
[07:22] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: read the Ubuntu howto on there home page you can use nautilus just drop the files on the cd
[07:22] <OrangeSlice> nautilus burner works great, but only does data cd's
[07:22] <shadeofgrey> i tried to use the nautilus thing.  it crashes the whole system totally
[07:22] <johnnybezak> shadeofgrey: just like in explorer on windows
[07:22] <johnnybezak> lol
[07:22] <OrangeSlice> if you want audio or vcd or anything else, you're kinda screwed there.
[07:22] <shadeofgrey> so
[07:22] <linux_galor1> there is also cdroast  thats gtk
[07:23] <OrangeSlice> which is where apps like k3b come in
[07:23] <OrangeSlice> or graveman, or coaster
[07:23] <shadeofgrey> if i download and install k3b it WONT change my window manager from gnome at all?
[07:23] <OrangeSlice> or the all-powerful cdrdao console burner
[07:23] <OrangeSlice> no, it won't
[07:23] <delltony> whats a good download manager you can use with flashgot ?
[07:23] <shadeofgrey> can graveman do everything k3b can?
[07:23] <OrangeSlice> it will not install kde, only kde libraries alowing you run run kde apps in gnome
[07:23] <delltony> i can't get d4x or kget to work right
[07:24] <OrangeSlice> no, probably not.  but graveman is still nice :)
[07:24] <shadeofgrey> i just dont want to lose my whole system...  ive worked like hell to get this thing the way i want it
[07:24] <shadeofgrey> is there a front end i can dload for cdrdao?
[07:25] <OrangeSlice> lots of burning apps are secretly cdrdao frontends
[07:25] <johnnybezak> why not just get k3b who cares about the extra libs
[07:25] <OrangeSlice> k3b is a cdrdao frontend :p
[07:25] <OrangeSlice> well, partially
[07:25] <OrangeSlice> k3b uses cdrdao
[07:25] <OrangeSlice> but it does a lot of other things too
[07:25] <linux_galor1> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=burning&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
[07:26] <linux_galor1> lots of burning apps
[07:26] <shadeofgrey> okay.  i just sold my soul...  apt-get install k3b
[07:26] <johnnybezak> shadeofgrey: it doesnt matter itll work fine
[07:26] <cj> http://gallery.colliertech.org/gallery/Scarlets-Laptop
[07:26] <cj> running ubuntu
[07:26] <shadeofgrey> id really like to run superrkaramba so i can get my system to look like os x
[07:26] <shadeofgrey> but that means totally switching to kde
[07:27] <johnnybezak> shadeofgrey: its a bit of a hack
[07:27] <johnnybezak> how come?
[07:27] <OrangeSlice> os x look:  gnome applications panel to top of screen
[07:27] <linux_galor1> hmm a good burner is one of those holes that need fixing in Ubuntu
[07:27] <OrangeSlice> :p
[07:27] <johnnybezak> the transparency isnt actually transparent
[07:27] <johnnybezak> it just shows the desktop
[07:28] <johnnybezak> to get proper os x i candy well have to wait for the damage and composite extensions to get stable
[07:28] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: need to get xorg with the OpenGL transparency patch
[07:28] <linux_galor1> shadeofgrey: maybe next release of Ubuntu (stable)
[07:29] <linux_galor1> johnnybezak: been using the OpenGL patch with Xfree86 now for well over a year works fine
[07:30] <linux_galor1> Linspire ver 5.0 now comes with true transparency by default
[07:31] <johnnybezak> linux_galor1: yeah thats true, it's just not stable yet thats all :)
[07:32] <Yomic> My dad just came in here complaining: "Since 80% of the hard-drive is being used, that's why it crashes so much. You need to reformat it and reinstall windows so I can install Norton-Internet Security."
[07:32] <linux_galor1> johnnybezak: hasnt crashed on me for ages
[07:32] <Yomic> I hate it when people who know nothing about computers try to tell you the hows and whys of computers.
[07:32] <linux_galor1> Yomic: you know nortons internet security stuff has been hacked
[07:33] <Yomic> I do know that.
[07:33] <Yomic> My dad is stupid. :)
[07:33] <Yomic> When it comes to computers and such.
[07:33] <regeya> I cringe any time I see the name 'Norton'
[07:33] <linux_galor1> Yomic: yeah symantic has also been hacked....not only that symantic installs the trojon lol
[07:34] <pussfeller> did someone tell him he needs norton internet security to protect against hackers or something] 
[07:34] <Yomic> Probably.
[07:34] <compmanio36> Norton also uses WAY too many sys resources
[07:34] <Yomic> I told him norton was 'decent' for windows.
[07:34] <Yomic> Indeed.
[07:34] <pussfeller> that norton stuff ruins systems
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> YAY! hoary gaim is updated to 1.1.3 ...
[07:35] <regeya> took me ages to convince the mac zealots at work to STOP USING NORTON PRODUCTS.
[07:35] <compmanio36> my dad had it, his system crashes more than mine, when I run all freeware stuff
[07:35] <Yomic> mac < *
[07:35] <pussfeller> get him clamav for win
[07:35] <linux_galor1> Yomic: just put zonealarm on it....although tell him "Officially" Microsoft says not to connect windows directory to the internet but use a NAT/Firewall/Router between the windows machine and the internet
[07:35] <regeya> www.clamwin.net
[07:35] <regeya> Yomic: this from an XP user, eh?
[07:36] <Yomic> Win98SE
[07:36] <Yomic> :P
[07:36] <pussfeller> just get a cheap router and that solves all the externel problems
[07:36] <regeya> LOL
[07:36] <linux_galor1> anyone have the Microsoft link were they recommend a nat/firewall/router
[07:36] <pussfeller> which, most actually come from viruses, trojans and explotis people run internally
[07:36] <regeya> oh, aye, win98se is far superior to panther
[07:36] <JDahl> anyone here old enough to remember the assembler programming book by Norton, with him in a pink shirt on cover?
[07:36] <Amaranth> linux_galor1: That's common sense, I think.
[07:37] <linux_galor1> Amaranth: I run OpenBSD and Linux and i wouldnt dream of not having a firmware NAT/Firewall
[07:37] <Amaranth> Exactly.
[07:37] <regeya> JDahl!
[07:37] <regeya> totally!
[07:37] <pussfeller> is norton a real person?
[07:38] <Yomic> I have a router.
[07:38] <pussfeller> some guy named norton back in the day wrote antivirus software?
[07:38] <regeya> at one point norton put out decent products...apparently.
[07:38] <JDahl> yeah... he wrote a bunch of DOS tools + a halfway decent book
[07:38] <pussfeller> i hope he got rich...
[07:39] <Amaranth> regeya: NAV was good until they were in a checklist war with mcafee
[07:39] <pussfeller> zone alarm is the most friggin annoying piece of #$@Q#$
[07:39] <Amaranth> regeya: You know, checklist features like "Scan MSN Messenger, check!".
[07:39] <linux_galor1> yeah wouldnt want to own Norton sticks right now Microsoft is doing the old "eating its children" thing and now adding Security software to Windows with a long term aim of charging for updates
[07:39] <linux_galor1> stocks*
[07:40] <pussfeller> well they should give you firewall/virus and office and etc for as much as they charge
[07:41] <linux_galor1> I can imagine it now within a few years Norton wont be able to install properly because microsoft has added "features" to the api to stop apps interfering with the systems default security software
[07:41] <linux_galor1> yeah 415% markup on Windows
[07:41] <pussfeller> i never understood why people were in arms over bundling
[07:42] <linux_galor1> pussfeller: your a Linux person were bundling is pretty normal
[07:42] <pussfeller> yes, so i dont see why its ok for one and not the other
[07:42] <linux_galor1> pussfeller: because Linux is "open source" and doesnt have hidden api stuff were windows is all closed source with lots of hidden stuff
[07:43] <regeya> I really, really hope that MS goes through with the plan to make people *call* to activate windows.  will open up all sorts of competition possibilities.
[07:43] <linux_galor1> oranges and apples
[07:43] <linux_galor1> regeya: yeah best promoter of Linux is Microsoft
[07:43] <Yomic> Microsoft/Bungie is planning on releasing Halo3 on the same day as the PS3. <--- Ahaha
[07:44] <pussfeller> the funny thing is, if MS would just act decently, there wouldnt be nearly as much opposition to them
[07:44] <regeya> except that they're constantly fighting to, erm, lobby for vague laws that will make anything other than Windows illegal.  Then again I'm a conspiracy theorist...but I'm sure that's what they're up to.
[07:44] <pussfeller> they create their enemies thru the way they act
[07:44] <regeya> they're already in a position that if they go out of business, it has a major impact on the U.S. economy
[07:44] <linux_galor1> yeah but if the PS3 is good Microsoft could end up with egg on its face
[07:45] <pussfeller> if they went out of biz, it would hurt for awhile, but other companies would take their place in an instant
[07:45] <linux_galor1> regeya: not really Microsoft arent that big
[07:45] <regeya> linux_galor1, don't be so sure
[07:45] <pussfeller> linux_galor1, it was the antitrust declaration against MS that started the bursting of the bublle
[07:45] <linux_galor1> regeya: external intrest rates on bonds/cash would do more damage than microsoft
[07:46] <regeya> linux_galor1, think about how many people are closing in on retirement age, how many of them have retirement funds, and how many retirement funds lean on stocks like ms.
[07:46] <pussfeller> it had to happen sooner or later, but it all started when the clinton administration got that judgement
[07:46] <linux_galor1> regeya: not mine lol
[07:46] <regeya> heh
[07:46] <pussfeller> putting your retirement money in a circus act like the stock market is just stupid
[07:46] <regeya> my mother is secretly mad at me for using Linux...it hurts their retirement fun, dammit!
[07:47] <linux_galor1> regeya: actually IBM has more retirement funds stocks.....dont forget Microsoft is the 17th biggest company in the USA ....IBM is in the top 5
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> OMG! gaim is updated to 1.1.4 YAY!!!
[07:47] <regeya> true
[07:47] <linux_galor1> da_bon_bon: done it running it
[07:48] <regeya> it's hilarious though when BillG...BillG, mind you, tries to rattle his sabre whenever the word 'antitrust' is uttered
[07:48] <regeya> it's as if he sees ms as a world power...arrogant bastard
[07:49] <pussfeller> do people ever stop to think what would have happened to linux and FOSS if MS had been broken up? it woud have died right then and there
[07:49] <MyNameIsChris> Has anyone had issues with an LG DVD Writer not being detected by the installer?
[07:49] <pussfeller> there would have been no motivation anymore, or way less
[07:49] <linux_galor1> regeya: see the RMS article that shows Bill as saying in 1992 ....if patents existed Microsoft would have never got were it was.... imagine Microsoft trying to shaft IBM on the OS/2 joint venture and taking the code and creating NT 3 if patents existed back in 1990
[07:50] <regeya> whee
[07:50] <regeya> it's almost an argument *for* software patents...meh
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> linux_galor1: so am it :)
[07:50] <linux_galor1> if patents existed back in 1990 IBM would own Microsoft
[07:51] <restrex_> is inotify enabled at the 2.6.10-2-386 kernel ??
[07:51] <regeya> I'm not sure that's a good thing
[07:51] <regeya> I'm pretty sure there are IBM execs that kill kittens for sport
[07:51] <linux_galor1> regeya: no it shows how Bill is two faced.........one minute he says patents are bad for business and admits if they were around Micosofts profits would be very low and now Bills running around saying patents are a must
[07:52] <regeya> now that you mention it...well, linux_galor1, I guess I just don't flinch at that b/c I've grown accustomed to getting conflicting signals from redmond
[07:53] <linux_galor1> to be honest I think Microsoft is doing short term good but in the long term patents will do allot of damage because IBM has like 100 patent for every 1 Microsoft has
[07:54] <linux_galor1> also the japanese have been registering patents like mad locking in the firmware layers
[07:54] <regeya> american business for you, though.  short term gain == good!
[07:54] <linux_galor1> regeya: well the latest worry is the USA will be the cause of the next stock crash as the USA defaults on all its debt
[07:56] <thynis> anyone in here know how I could go about mounting my MacOSX partition
[07:56] <regeya> a real shame ronnie raygun isn't around to hang by the testicles...what a bargain.  overlook our debt and we'll be world police.
[07:56] <thynis> in ubuntu
[07:56] <MyNameIsChris> Has anyone ever had issues where the installer cannot detect the optical drive it booted from?
[07:56] <regeya> now nobody wants a world police (at least not u.s.) and oh look at that debt.
[07:56] <regeya> enough to drive a man to drinkin'.  mmmmm....drunk.
[07:57] <thynis> anybody know?
[07:58] <linux_galor1> hmm
[07:59] <linux_galor1> hmm
[07:59] <linux_galor1> mkdir /mnt/macosx [RETURN] 
[07:59] <linux_galor1> mount /dev/hdxy /mnt/macosx -thfsplus [RETURN] 
[08:00] <stuNNed> how to send an attachment with the 'mail' command?
[08:00] <linux_galor1> thats if the kernel supports the hfs file system
[08:00] <linux_galor1> stuNNed: man mail
[08:02] <MyNameIsChris> Never mind, I found my problem on the bugzilla
[08:02] <P-Low> Hey when is the next stable release coming out?
[08:03] <P-Low> anyone know?
[08:04] <|QuaD-> april
[08:04] <P-Low> danke
[08:04] <stuNNed> linux_galor1: checked it nothing really there
[08:04] <|QuaD-> np
[08:09] <linux_galor1> mail command howto -> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl1_Mail.htm
[08:10] <linux_galor1> sorry slow had to have a slash
[08:10] <|QuaD-> heh, that was a big mailing list convo
[08:11] <thoreauputic> hmm.. just installed the clearlooks gnome theme - rather nice
[08:11] <thoreauputic> wish gnome would lode that awful "home" icon, though
[08:11] <thoreauputic> *lose
[08:12] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: is outcrop available at gnomelook.org?
[08:12] <bur[n] er> ya
[08:12] <bur[n] er> for sure
[08:12] <bur[n] er> that's how i have it
[08:12] <thoreauputic> I might have a look
[08:12] <linux_galor1> stuNNed: get that
[08:13] <bur[n] er> me too
[08:13] <linux_galor1> hate my desktop I keep it very bare
[08:13] <johnnybezak> hey guys i want to have mt-daapd start on boot-up hwo do I do that?
[08:13] <bur[n] er> there's a bug report already
[08:13] <bur[n] er> but some debate about the ability in the gnome-workspace-switcher
[08:14] <thoreauputic> workspace switching in gnome is stone-age
[08:14] <poningru> W27m211f6
[08:14] <poningru> wow
[08:14] <poningru> heh
[08:14] <thoreauputic> fluxbox gets it right
[08:14] <bur[n] er>  i wouldn't go that far, but i really like mouse scrolling
[08:14] <poningru> guess I have to change that password
[08:14] <bur[n] er> so does kde and xfce
[08:15] <bur[n] er> fluxbox gets its stuff right, there's just not much stuff to it ;)
[08:15] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: oh yes, there's a lot - you just have to dig for it more
[08:16] <thoreauputic> tabs, addons like fluxter, dockapps, desktop warping and wheeling.... blah blah
[08:16] <bur[n] er> eh
[08:16] <bur[n] er> i prefer gtk libs loaded and more powerful apps :)
[08:17] <bur[n] er> although evolution is getting a bit much with it's 200+ RAM usage
[08:17] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: you just start gnome-settings-daemon in the startup script to have gtk2 look right
[08:18] <thoreauputic> and of course you can use any apps you like
[08:18] <linux_galor1> johnnybezak: just add it to the end or /etc/rc.local  ie exec whatever
[08:18] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: there's no /etc/rc.local in debian based distros :)
[08:19] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: there isnt...ooh yeah BSD based..bugger been admining rh machines too long
[08:19] <thoreauputic> nearest thing would be /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[08:20] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: should have checked on my laptop
[08:20] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: too lazy to boot it up
[08:20] <thoreauputic> :-)
[08:21] <AcidWolf> :)
[08:22] <AcidWolf> :)
[08:22] <AcidWolf> how goes it
[08:22] <thoreauputic> not bad - a bit tired today
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> hey am i alive
[08:23] <AcidWolf> aaah ok
[08:23] <AcidWolf> yes you seem to be alive
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> AcidWolf: thanks doc
[08:23] <AcidWolf> not a problem
[08:24] <AcidWolf> i got one tough
[08:24] <AcidWolf> mp3 and dvd playback
[08:24] <AcidWolf> Hoary PPC
[08:24] <AcidWolf> :(
[08:24] <AcidWolf> i did the apt-get dist upgrade yesterday
[08:24] <AcidWolf> and since then ive lost dvd and mp3 playback
[08:26] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yeah /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh seems to be about it other than linking lots of stuff in
[08:27] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: the "debian way" is to add your script to /etc/init.d then use update-rc.d to make the required links
[08:27] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: aaah
[08:27] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: bloody roundabout way if you ask me
[08:28] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: little detail on the web about it
[08:28] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: I think /etc/rc.local makes sense
[08:28] <thoreauputic> especially for trivial changes
[08:28] <AcidWolf> what do you mean
[08:28] <AcidWolf> this is linux
[08:28] <AcidWolf> nothing makes sense
[08:28] <thoreauputic> hehe
[08:28] <AcidWolf> lol
[08:29] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: I only run Ubuntu on one machine right now still having problems getting a handle on some things after been rh borge for 5 years
[08:29] <thoreauputic> there are always 15 ways to do any given task...
[08:29] <AcidWolf> indeed
[08:29] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: then some smart ass finds another 15
[08:29] <AcidWolf> which is why its so good
[08:30] <linux_galor1> one thing I would love is Ubuntu to use a parallel load init not the series rig it has now
[08:31] <linux_galor1> most modern cpu's can multi task just fine
[08:36] <thoreauputic> ubuntu should have a start-up wizard thingy for new users with a brief explanation of synaptic and repositories...
[08:36] <thoreauputic> the same questions get asked *again and again*
[08:37] <thoreauputic> a channel bot would be nice for such questions...
[08:40] <AcidWolf> im trying to use zinf to play music
[08:40] <AcidWolf> but the second i load the file to play it exits
[08:40] <AcidWolf> :(
[08:41] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: is this Hoary with polypaudio? There have been issues with that I believe
[08:42] <AcidWolf> yes hoary
[08:42] <AcidWolf> hmmm
[08:42] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: are yiu subscribed to the users mailing list?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> *you
[08:43] <AcidWolf> nope
[08:43] <AcidWolf> i should be though
[08:43] <thoreauputic> most of this stuff pops up there within hours
[08:43] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[08:44] <thoreauputic> pretty active list ( about 200 mails a day)
[08:44] <AcidWolf> i have been cruising the forums though
[08:44] <AcidWolf> cause all i hear are the system sounds
[08:44] <AcidWolf> see on standard warty
[08:44] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: the forums have an archive of the mailing list I think
[08:44] <AcidWolf> dvd and mpr3 playback works fine
[08:44] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[08:44] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: I'm still on Warty
[08:44] <AcidWolf> but under hoarty nothing works right lol
[08:45] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[08:45] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: it's like Debian unstable - you get to keep both pieces when it breaks ;)
[08:45] <AcidWolf> is there a command that would remove all hoarty packages and then revert back to warty
[08:45] <AcidWolf> lol
[08:45] <thoreauputic> not really
[08:45] <AcidWolf> thats funny
[08:46] <AcidWolf> hmmmm
[08:46] <AcidWolf> so theres no system restore or anything
[08:46] <AcidWolf> or system repair
[08:46] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: it's not original, I'm afraid
[08:46] <AcidWolf> aaaah
[08:46] <AcidWolf> gotcha
[08:46] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: going backwards in debian is difficult...
[08:46] <AcidWolf> ok
[08:47] <thoreauputic> most bugs get a work-around or a fix within a day or so though
[08:47] <thoreauputic> the mailing list is good for that stuff
[08:48] <AcidWolf> cool
[08:48] <AcidWolf> speaking of which
[08:48] <AcidWolf> i cant even get mail programmes to work
[08:48] <AcidWolf> :(
[08:48] <AcidWolf> how poo is that
[08:49] <lba48> i hear getting eclipse to work under ubuntu is a real hassle
[08:50] <AcidWolf> wouldnt know never tired
[08:50] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: this is since you did dist-upgrade to hoary  ?
[08:50] <AcidWolf> tried*
[08:50] <AcidWolf> yes
[08:50] <AcidWolf> since i did the upgrade to hoary
[08:50] <thoreauputic> hmm
[08:50] <Pluk> is it normal that sudo remembers you authenticated before?
[08:50] <AcidWolf> are we talking about the email or all the media support
[08:51] <Pluk> cuz i can now sudo without enetering a password
[08:51] <AcidWolf> yes Pluk
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Pluk: there's a time-out
[08:51] <Pluk> ah ok
[08:51] <AcidWolf> give it about 15 mins
[08:51] <thoreauputic> 5 minutes?
[08:51] <AcidWolf> and then try again Pluk
[08:51] <Pluk> was worried already
[08:51] <AcidWolf> you will be prompted
[08:51] <AcidWolf> or 5
[08:51] <AcidWolf> same thing
[08:52] <AcidWolf> im normally stoned so 5 feels like 15 to me
[08:52] <AcidWolf> :p
[08:52] <Pluk> :D
[08:52] <AcidWolf> ok coffee time
[08:52] <linux_galor1> AcidWolf: kidding my wife can get evolution working and she's a moron
[08:52] <thoreauputic> Pluk: "user pluk is not in the sudoers file: this incident will be reported"
[08:52] <linux_galor1> when it comes to computers
[08:52] <AcidWolf> lol @ linux
[08:52] <AcidWolf> lol @ linux_galor1
[08:52] <linux_galor1> she hates outlook now
[08:53] <linux_galor1> give you an idea how dumb she is she tried to setup her msn email account in evolution
[08:54] <Pluk> its kinda dumb evolution cant do that :P
[08:54] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: your wife says "hello", and just wait til you get home !!
[08:54] <linux_galor1> well firefox works fine anyway
[08:54] <linux_galor1> aaah she wont be online she's anti computer
[08:54] <thoreauputic> hehe
[08:55] <AcidWolf> lol
[08:55] <linux_galor1> told here to hit the tab key took her 2 minutes to find it
[08:55] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: BTW it's actually possible to have hotmail in evolution
[08:55] <linux_galor1> she even looked at the buttons on the case lol
[08:55] <AcidWolf> well my Fiance aint to computer literate either
[08:56] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: it is.......hmm how you do it
[08:56] <AcidWolf> shes not bad with html though
[08:56] <VR^> there's more to life than computers you freaks
[08:56] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: hmm - there's an app - hotwayd or something
[08:56] <linux_galor1> well my old lady is good with images...I cant do image editing to save myself
[08:56] <VR^> 
[08:56] <AcidWolf> me neither
[08:56] <thoreauputic> VR^: HERETIC!
[08:56] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: look on freshmeat
[08:56] <thoreauputic> burn the heretic!
[08:56] <linux_galor1> ?
[08:57] <VR^> yeah yeah
[08:57] <AcidWolf> i take one look at Photoshop and my balls shrink
[08:57] <VR^> go outside man
[08:57] <linux_galor1> lol..only thing I use in gimp is the that fancy text wizard
[08:57] <VR^> expose your pale skin to the sun! ...
[08:58] <thoreauputic> VR^: and get skin cancer? No thanks ;-)
[08:58] <AcidWolf> dood im black
[08:58] <thoreauputic> haha
[08:58] <AcidWolf> how is tanning gonna help me
[08:58] <VR^> bweheh
[08:58] <linux_galor1> aaaargh whats that bright thing in the sky......why hasnt it got craters.... Wife.. thats the sun darling
[08:58] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: great comeback, man !
[08:58] <AcidWolf> tggy
[08:58] <AcidWolf> ty
[08:58] <AcidWolf> :p
[08:58] <AcidWolf> see i cant even type
[08:58] <AcidWolf> but
[08:58] <VR^> seriously though
[08:58] <AcidWolf> i can say motherF$%6&R really well
[08:59] <linux_galor1> Im like the Adams Family..... I have a moon tan
[08:59] <AcidWolf> moon tan hey
[08:59] <AcidWolf> freaky
[08:59] <AcidWolf> im permanently tanned
[08:59] <VR^> i'm just emotional... since you all started talking about your biatches
[08:59] <linux_galor1> well I work in a lab all day no windows some days i arrive at work its dark and go home its dark
[08:59] <AcidWolf> well duh im black so that would make sense
[08:59] <cg0def> how can I switch from gamin to fam
[08:59] <jdub> cg0def: you shouldn't
[08:59] <AcidWolf> lol
[08:59] <cg0def> gamin has a very poor performance and get errors all the time
[09:00] <AcidWolf> VR^ aint gettin any
[09:00] <AcidWolf> :p
[09:00] <AcidWolf> neeyaha
[09:00] <cg0def> jdub: why not?
[09:00] <jdub> cg0def: er, it doesn't at all
[09:00] <VR^> AcidWolf, it's not about gettin' some
[09:00] <VR^> heheh
[09:00] <cg0def> oh yes it does
[09:00] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: you could still get sunburnt though - best to stay indoors ;-)
[09:00] <AcidWolf> indeed
[09:00] <VR^> well, maybe it is, but i have a different problem
[09:00] <AcidWolf> maybe if i stay indoors long enough ill turn white
[09:01] <cg0def> I was having the same problem when I tested fedora core 3 every once in a while gamin would stop updating
[09:01] <AcidWolf> then i can run for President
[09:01] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:01] <Pluk> k i set the timeout to 0 now :) like that better
[09:01] <VR^> call yourself THE MAN
[09:01] <jdub> cg0def: those issues have been fixed
[09:01] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: don't wish that on yourself...
[09:01] <cg0def> what version
[09:01] <AcidWolf> yeah you have a point
[09:01] <AcidWolf> :p
[09:01] <AcidWolf> nah kidding
[09:01] <AcidWolf> im white
[09:01] <VR^> sure
[09:01] <AcidWolf> well olive tan actually
[09:01] <AcidWolf> yeah
[09:01] <VR^> you freak
[09:02] <AcidWolf> you have no idea
[09:02] <AcidWolf> :p
[09:02] <VR^> heheh
[09:02] <cg0def> jdub: I have 0.23 installed and there isn't anything newer in apt
[09:02] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: besides, to run for president successfully these days you also need an IQ below room temperature
[09:02] <VR^> listen up man
[09:02] <AcidWolf> and you have to be gay curious
[09:02] <VR^> my girlfriend left for the weekend with her chick girls
[09:02] <quinn> In Hoary, is there any sort of blacklisting going on with the rules that get into the Layout Options tab of the Keyboard preferences applet? I'd like to use the CapsLock is Compose rule, but it doesn't show up..
[09:02] <AcidWolf> cause bush is getting into bed with as many world leaders as he can
[09:02] <AcidWolf> :p
[09:02] <Pluk> dang mplayer doesnt suport drag an drop
[09:02] <quinn> But it's in the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules file
[09:03] <VR^> my weekend is gonna suck ass
[09:03] <AcidWolf> not really VR^
[09:03] <VR^> on top of that, i run windows
[09:03] <linux_galor1> yeah commont on gamin update for FC.3 fixing many problems -> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story42134.html
[09:03] <linux_galor1> comment*
[09:03] <AcidWolf> just go to the local Adult Shop or Use highspeed connection and have one of those really filthy weekends
[09:03] <VR^> and i cant get my ubuntu box to connect to the interweb
[09:03] <thoreauputic> VR^: life is truly bleak - I feel your pain
[09:04] <AcidWolf> with beer and porn and all the other fun stuff
[09:04] <VR^> AcidWolf, ah man i tried... it's not working
[09:04] <thoreauputic> VR^: yeah, the interweb is broken
[09:04] <cg0def> gamin sux and is way more unstable that fam and there is no one that can convince me otherwise
[09:04] <AcidWolf> hmmmmm
[09:04] <VR^> thoreauputic, sorry, i meant to say INTERNETS
[09:04] <linux_galor1> Pluk: yeah the mplayer UI is pretty but dumb......there is talk of redoing the whole thing
[09:05] <cg0def> I have to restart the damn thing so that my files that I just downloaded would show up
[09:05] <AcidWolf> whats wrong with it VR^
[09:05] <AcidWolf> what did you do to it
[09:05] <Pluk> that good to hear linux_galor1
[09:05] <cg0def> never had to do anything like that in debian
[09:05] <AcidWolf> :p
[09:05] <quinn> Oh, never mind. THe option was just in the wrong section.
[09:05] <VR^> AcidWolf, i think my nic just doesn't get recognized or somethin'
[09:05] <AcidWolf> ok that doesnt make sense
[09:05] <AcidWolf> :p
[09:06] <VR^> heheh
[09:06] <VR^> wtf do you mean mr. black man
[09:06] <quinn>  excellent!
[09:06] <AcidWolf> :p
[09:06] <VR^> in the network settings, eth0 unckecks itself all the time
[09:06] <AcidWolf> hmmmm
[09:06] <VR^> oyven maven!
[09:07] <AcidWolf> VR^ open network monitor and go to Eth0 and then activate it
[09:07] <AcidWolf> youll be surprised
[09:07] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:07] <VR^> i did that
[09:07] <VR^> without any luck
[09:07] <AcidWolf> and what was the result
[09:07] <AcidWolf> check your hostname
[09:08] <VR^> hold on, lemme boot up that machine
[09:08] <thoreauputic> VR^:  ifup eth0 ?
[09:08] <AcidWolf> brb
[09:08] <VR^> thoreauputic, don't ask me that... i'm a newb
[09:08] <linux_galor1> might go steal myself a new copy if Ubuntu heh heh
[09:08] <thoreauputic> VR^: just type that and see what happens
[09:08] <thoreauputic> or sudo ifup eth0
[09:09] <VR^> lemme boot it up
[09:09] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: yeah, on a ubuntu_warez channel ;-)
[09:09] <Pluk> is there a way to tabcomplete the command you use with sudo?
[09:10] <thoreauputic> Pluk: not as far as I can see - wish there was though
[09:10] <Pluk> not sudo specific though
[09:10] <thoreauputic> it's a pain
[09:10] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yeah even got a key registration hacking app......wow feds will be after me
[09:10] <Pluk> ah bad luck :)
[09:10] <jdub> Pluk: turn on bash tab completion
[09:10] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: d00d, that 5uXX0rz
[09:11] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:11] <linux_galor1> I hacked Ubuntu website man and they send me all these CD's....Im so 337
[09:11] <linux_galor1> heh heh
[09:11] <Pluk> jdub, isnt bash tab completion already on?
[09:11] <jdub> not by default, no
[09:11] <Pluk> because i can tabcomplete the first command
[09:11] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: heh, man, those linux dudes are clueless  ;-)
[09:12] <jdub> that's just normal tab completion
[09:12] <Pluk> ah ok thx man bash now :)
[09:12] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yeah man all I had to do is give them my email and they sent me the CD's pfft...
[09:12] <jdub> Pluk: vi .bashrc
[09:12] <jdub> Pluk: man bash won't help you
[09:13] <Pluk> hoped it would give me the proper syntax
[09:13] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: be amazed how many people Ive sent to the Ubuntu website to register for the cd's
[09:13] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: that's good - should be more of it !
[09:13] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: then I went to install the software and they dont even have any key registration...how week is that man
[09:13] <Pluk> lol its already in .bashrc commeted though .. thx jdub
[09:14] <VR^> thoreauputic, it says, "...already configured"
[09:14] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: actually the dial up crowd seem to be the people who like it the most
[09:14] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: hey, there's no interweb icon on the desktop either! They don't know nothin!
[09:15] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: indeed - I'm part of the dialup crowd and that's how I got mine
[09:15] <VR^> you owe me a penny... i patented that phrase... "interweb"
[09:15] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: and they have a office suite too....man these guys are nuts they send me the cd's then give me the OS and an office suite for nothin and I dont even have a key reg....man these guys are clueless
[09:15] <thoreauputic> VR^: oh... intellectual property eh? Hi there Darl!
[09:16] <VR^> heh
[09:16] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: should make an advert based on thos comments lol
[09:17] <linux_galor1> actually ive been following the SCO/Linux thing closely and SCO cant sue for copyright only people who have had past contracts with caldera/sco
[09:17] <thoreauputic> VR^: if eth0 is already configured, you should have network access - do you have your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf?
[09:17] <linux_galor1> thank AT&T/Berkley for that
[09:18] <thoreauputic> VR^: less /etc/resolv.conf
[09:19] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: they are in imminent danger of being delisted, I saw
[09:19] <thoreauputic> VR^: also look at /etc/network/interfaces
[09:19] <VR^> thoreauputic, resolv.conf is empty...
[09:19] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yeah and a fraud case is in the making over past dealings
[09:20] <thoreauputic> VR^: well, populate it with nameservers
[09:20] <VR^> thoreauputic, tell me this, when i plug in my cable modem, should it uatomatically just pick up the connection?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> VR^: the ones your isp gave you
[09:20] <linux_galor1> VR^: you running a static of dhcp connection
[09:21] <thoreauputic> VR^: without nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf you aint goin' nowhere
[09:21] <VR^> i dont have a static connection
[09:21] <thoreauputic> VR^: except pinging IP addresses
[09:21] <linux_galor1> why would /etc/resolve.conf be empty ?? dhcp should fill it
[09:22] <soren9580> i know this is the wrong place to ask this, but i figured i'd ask anyway. Does anyone on here know how i can see who is connected to my machine (Mac OS X) via filesharing, and control the connections?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> soren9580: I think #mac would be a better place to ask
[09:23] <thoreauputic> I think ther is one on freenode
[09:23] <thoreauputic> *there
[09:23] <soren9580> ok
[09:24] <cblack> morning, folks.
[09:24] <soren9580> there is, but they generally don't know anything
[09:24] <VR^> my isp is bright house networks, road runner... and for the life of me i can't find information on nameservers.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> soren9580: LOL
[09:24] <thoreauputic> soren9580: oh dear - there must be a *few* mac geeks who know something, surely?
[09:25] <linux_galor1> VR^: login to your account you should find a connection info page that tells you the default dns server number or you can use a public dns server
[09:25] <soren9580> hey, i'm pretty knowledable about macs
[09:25] <soren9580> but this is something i don't know
[09:25] <thoreauputic> VR^: I take it you can't ping IPs either?
[09:25] <zyme> what is this all about
[09:25] <zyme> (dcgui:11503): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[09:25] <zyme> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[09:25] <zyme> dc_gui: db_appinit, open /root/.dctc/bDB fails: Invalid argument
[09:25] <VR^> thoreauputic, i can do that
[09:26] <linux_galor1> VR^: telnet or ssh into the router or another machine
[09:26] <thoreauputic> zyme: you're trying to run GUI apps as root, aren't you?
[09:26] <zyme> yeah
[09:26] <zyme> it does the same thing when im not root too though
[09:26] <linux_galor1> VR^: if that works then all you have is a nameserver problem or your router isnt handing out the dns server number for some screwy reason
[09:27] <thoreauputic> VR^: if you can ping outside IPs but not addresses like google.com, your problem is the empty /etc/resolv.conf
[09:27] <Pluk> great it works jdub  and its kinda cool
[09:28] <thoreauputic> zyme: rm .ICEauthority, logout of gnome and log back in - and NEVER RUN GUI AS ROOT
[09:28] <thoreauputic> thats .ICEauthority in your home directory
[09:28] <VR^> either that or i'm too dumb of a newb
[09:28] <thoreauputic> zyme: your authority is now screwed until you fix it as above
[09:29] <zyme> !
[09:29] <stuNNed> linux_galor1: thanks
[09:29] <zyme> how can this be :(
[09:30] <zyme> thats probably why all of my other gui based things never work when i try to run them
[09:30] <thoreauputic> MIT magic cookies, zyme
[09:30] <zyme> that would be really cool if everything work now
[09:30] <zyme> gonna try that, thanks
[09:30] <thoreauputic> zyme: no guarantees, but blow that file away and try again
[09:31] <linux_galor1> VR^: add nameserver 203.25.172.1  to /etc/resolve.conf
[09:31] <thoreauputic> no final "e" in resolv.conf
[09:32] <linux_galor1> stuNNed: lol trying to remember what I helped you with
[09:32] <zyme> that didnt work :(
[09:32] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yep
[09:32] <thoreauputic> zyme ,   ls -l .Xauthority
[09:33] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: lol gaim keeps making me want to type the correct spelling
[09:33] <thoreauputic> zyme: what does that say?
[09:33] <zyme> -rw-------    1 zyme     zyme          129 2005-02-26 01:30 .Xauthority
[09:33] <zyme> lolz
[09:33] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: get a decent client ;)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> zyme: that looks OK
[09:33] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: hai I like this client...got spell shecking
[09:33] <zyme> zyme@dhcp-67-158-25-118:~ $ dcgui
[09:33] <zyme> dc_gui: db_appinit, open /home/zyme/.dctc/bDB fails: Invalid argument
[09:33] <linux_galor1> heh heh
[09:33] <zyme> invalid argument!
[09:34] <thoreauputic> zyme: I don't see an argument there
[09:35] <Pluk> zyme dont you prefer dcgui-qt?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> zyme: what does `hostname` say ?
[09:36] <Pluk> man this is nice! tar -xvjf <TAB> shows me only compressed files
[09:36] <Pluk> bash completion rox!
[09:36] <thoreauputic> indeed
[09:38] <linux_galor1> Pluk: you can even get it to ignore case  ie ls ja[tab]   will also show Jam-  jAm  etc
[09:38] <Pluk> hmm that would be nice too
[09:41] <Pluk> linux_galor1, any idea how to set that option in /etc/bash_completion?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> zyme: any progress?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> 1234sometarball.tar.gz - WHY?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> speaking of sane ways to take advantage of tab completion ;/
[09:47] <StoffBox-Steve> sping
[09:47] <thoreauputic> spong ;-)
[09:47] <StoffBox-Steve>  :)
[09:47] <FlUa> good morning
[09:47] <thoreauputic> greetings, O traveller
[09:48] <OrangeSlice> let me sleep >.>
[09:50] <sharke> gday
[09:51] <FlUa> I am a noob that has some problems installing ubuntu. the grub loader freezes during the startup. I have several HDd's installed. but has installed ubuntu on ide1. any suggestions?
[09:52] <sharke> IS IT A DUAL BOOT
[09:52] <FlUa> yes
[09:52] <thoreauputic> sharke: speak up, I can't hear you
[09:53] <Adrenal> prob just scanning too many drives, causing it to slow down
[09:53] <Vjaz> is grub supposed to be scanning any drives?
[09:54] <FlUa> could it be issues with the NIC?
[09:54] <Adrenal> hey, lets play a game
[09:55] <Adrenal> everybody press ctrl+v
[09:55] <Yomic> The following is a list of important considerations regarding directories and partitions.
[09:55] <Yomic> The root partition / must always physically contain /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib and /dev, otherwise you won't be able to boot. Typically 100 MB is needed for the root partition, but this may vary.
[09:55] <Yomic> /usr: all user programs (/usr/bin), libraries (/usr/lib), documentation (/usr/share/doc), etc., are in this directory. This part of the file system needs most of the space. You should provide at least 500 MB of disk space for a minimal installation, and at least 1.5 GB if you want to install a standard Ubuntu desktop. If you want to install more packages you should increase the amount of space you give this directory.
[09:55] <FlUa> i have a onboard gblan NIC on a MIS K8T neo MB
[09:55] <Yomic> /home: every user will put his data into a subdirectory of this directory. The size of this depends on how many users will be using the system and what files are to be stored in their directories. Depending on your planned usage you should reserve about 100 MB for each user, but adapt this value to your needs.
[09:55] <Yomic> /var: all variable data like news articles, e-mails, web sites, the packaging system cache, etc. will be placed under this directory. The size of this directory depends greatly on the usage of your computer, but for most people will be dictated by the package management tool's overhead. If you are going to do a full installation of just about everything Ubuntu has to offer, all in one session, setting aside 2 or 3 gigabytes of space for /var sho
[09:55] <linux_galor1> Pluk: you add "set completion-ignore-case on"  to /etc/inputrc  or ~/.inputrc if you just want it for that one user
[09:55] <Yomic> /tmp: if a program creates temporary data it will most likely go in /tmp. 20-50 MB should usually be enough
[09:55] <plagiats> hi folks
[09:55] <linux_galor1> Pluk: sorry got a phone call
[09:55] <Yomic> Sorry. That was my ctrl+v :/
[09:55] <thoreauputic> Yomic: WTF are you doing?
[09:55] <patrick_> good morning guys. I have a kind of a n00b question for you. I want to know how i can chagne the permissions of an entire disk
[09:55] <plagiats> Is ubuntu a good debian based distro to try out X.org and composite ?
[09:56] <omniscient1> what do i install to let totem have support for audio/x-ac3?
[09:56] <Adrenal> patrick_: hoo boy
[09:56] <FlUa> i have a onboard gblan NIC on a MIS K8T neo MB
[09:56] <linux_galor1> plagiats: got xorg working on ubuntu
[09:56] <FlUa> erm... MSI MB
[09:56] <plagiats> linux_galor1, will I have lot of things to do to activate composite?
[09:57] <patrick_> i want to acces trough samba from client to server ( both linix ) i can write from client to homefolder server, but i cant write to the mounted disk in the server
[09:57] <linux_galor1> plagiats: well i patched some thing in but i think the latest release has it by default now
[09:57] <plagiats> you mean if I download latest iso of ubuntu I'll get composite to work without anything done?
[09:58] <linux_galor1> plagiats: xorg
[09:58] <plagiats> My graphic card is an ATI radeon 9220se, will there be any problem with it? I mean does ubuntu ships with good drivers ?
[09:58] <linux_galor1> plagiats: I built it myself want on the server when I went to update to it back then
[09:58] <linux_galor1> wasnt*
[09:59] <linux_galor1> plagiats: works in 2D fine 3d is slow......better of with nvidia
[09:59] <plagiats> arf :)
[09:59] <plagiats> I'll give ubuntu a try
[09:59] <plagiats> thanks
[10:01] <sharke> u wont be dissapointed with ubuntu
[10:01] <linux_galor1> first thing I do with my bash console setup is always add "set completion-ignore-case on" in /etc/inputrc
[10:02] <linux_galor1> sharke: cant wait for the next release
[10:02] <sharke> comming soon
[10:02] <Pluk> soz linux_galor1 already found out
[10:02] <StoffBox-Steve> hm can someone help i try to instal WinXcvs but become this error: main.c:114: Warnung: implicit declaration of function `set_shared_memory_reserved'
[10:02] <linux_galor1> Pluk: ok
[10:02] <Pluk> bind 'set completion-ignore-case on' did the trick
[10:02] <Pluk> in .bashrc
[10:03] <linux_galor1> Pluk: heard my client make a noise that someone has used my name but I couldnt reply i was on the phone
[10:03] <Pluk> thats no prob :)
[10:04] <linux_galor1> Pluk: yeah nice option saves you having to remember if files/directories have upper or lower case letters
[10:04] <thoreauputic> yay Ubuntu conference down under in April!
[10:04] <sharke> ill be there
[10:04] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: hmm might turn up with my iCrash laptop
[10:04] <linux_galor1> heh heh
[10:04] <Yomic> G'night.
[10:05] <linux_galor1> <-- sid_a-knee
[10:07] <linux_galor1> Im downloading Vidalinux.... its basically what Ubuntu has done to Debian, Vidalinux has done to gentoo
[10:09] <sharke> any experiance with radeon 7000
[10:09] <omniscient1> what do i need to install to make totem be able to play a dvd with ac3 audio?
[10:11] <Zenith-> I'm using a ADSL internet connection, my NIC is a built in VIA VT6102. My problem is that my internet is very slow in Ubuntu. I get about 20% of the capasicty on my connection..What's wrong?
[10:11] <Corvix> i got a prob with cron, I set up a task in my personal crontab to run mpg123 as an alarm in the morning ... if I stay logged in everythings fine, but if i'm logged out, the job won't run ... ???
[10:12] <StoffBox-Steve> what the channelname for winX ? someone know ?
[10:14] <sid77> hi
[10:14] <Corvix> hey
[10:14] <Corvix> anyone any idea about the cron issue?
[10:15] <linux_galor1> Zenith-: I seem to always have problems lately with VIA hardware...
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Corvix: if you aren't logged in, why would a user set cron run?
[10:16] <Corvix> to get awake in the morning ...
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Corvix: doesn't the system think you only exist while logged in?
[10:16] <Corvix> 55 7 * * 1-5 mpg123 -q -z -@ /home/corvix/good-morning.m3u
[10:16] <Corvix> hmm ...
[10:16] <linux_galor1> Zenith-: I just used a cheap Netgear 8139 card ($12) runs like a rocket
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Corvix: maybe needs to be set globally to run when your user ian't logged in
[10:17] <StoffBox-Steve> nobody can help me with winX ? :(
[10:17] <Corvix> but executing as root in the main crontab doesnt work either with mpg123 ...
[10:17] <Corvix> whats winx?
[10:17] <StoffBox-Steve> a windows emu need for gaming under linux
[10:17] <linux_galor1> Corvix: it a project based on wine to run windows Direct X games on Linux
[10:17] <plagiats> wineX you mean
[10:17] <thoreauputic> I think you mean wineX ?
[10:17] <Corvix> ah .. right ...
[10:18] <zyme> hey umm what do i have to do to get my system to be able to connect to other local machines with ip addresses starting with 10.*.*,* ?
[10:18] <StoffBox-Steve> jup wineX forgot the e :D
[10:18] <Corvix> isnt that the thing where one has to pay a license?
[10:18] <linux_galor1> its total crap because microsoft keep changing the the rules thus winex never is 100% let alone 90% ok even with games it supports
[10:18] <StoffBox-Steve> no, when using the CVS that you dont need a license
[10:18] <thoreauputic> zyme: tell the machines about each other in the /etc/hosts file
[10:18] <coivis> and isn't it called cedega nowadays?
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> i geht this error when i try "make"
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> miscemu/miscemu.o(.text+0x136f):/home/steve/temp/cvswinex/winex/miscemu/main.c:118: undefined reference to `wine_mmap_add_reserve'
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> make: *** [wine]  Fehler 1
[10:19] <zyme> ok
[10:19] <thoreauputic> zyme for instance 192.168.0.4 alterego
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> geht = get
[10:19] <linux_galor1> there are actually quite allot of games on Linux if you look around
[10:20] <zyme> fascinating
[10:20] <thoreauputic> where alterego is another machine with that IP
[10:20] <zyme> you are ridiculously good at this ubuntu thing
[10:20] <StoffBox-Steve> right linux_galor1 there a some nice native linux games :)
[10:20] <thoreauputic> zyme: ex debianista ;)
[10:20] <linux_galor1> StoffBox-Steve: Im totally sucked into enemy territory
[10:21] <spiral> hi
[10:21] <sharke> see ya
[10:23] <StoffBox-Steve> linux_galor1, :) i dont play mutch ... my aktive phase is over ... but sometimes i a nice DOD game with some friends is nice :)
[10:23] <Corvix> hmmm ... no idea about cron?
[10:23] <Corvix> or any other alarm solution to get awake in the morning without beeing logged in?
[10:24] <linux_galor1> Corvix: lots of howto's on cron/crontab  even some nice idiot proof front ends for it
[10:24] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: he's gone :)
[10:24] <linux_galor1> aah
[10:24] <linux_galor1> ooh well
[10:25] <linux_galor1> I use cron to record the radio for me
[10:25] <linux_galor1> there is this great 4 hour tech/space show on on saturday but Im out
[10:25] <zyme> time to post on internet
[10:26] <Zenith-> I'm using a ADSL internet connection, my NIC is a built in VIA VT6102. My problem is that my internet is very slow in Ubuntu. I get about 20% of the capasicty on my connection..What's wrong? Could this problem be solved if I upgrade to Hoary Hedgehog?
[10:27] <FAST> what audio cd burning software is there to use?
[10:27] <zyme> i think that my gigabytes are bigger in ubuntu than in windows
[10:27] <FAST> gui preferably
[10:27] <omniscient1> can anyone here help ? i'm getting errors from xine (totem) telling me that it doesnt know how to handle x-dvd-subpicture, mpeg, or x-ac3
[10:27] <linux_galor1> Zenith-: did you do a google on the chipset see if there are any problem with the driver
[10:27] <zyme> CONFIRM/DENY
[10:27] <omniscient1> it just locks up with cd spinning spitting that at the console
[10:27] <omniscient1> is anybody able to help?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> zyme: heh - which is heavier, a tonne of feathers or a tonne of concrete ?
[10:27] <linux_galor1> FAST: I use the command line but k3b works fine
[10:28] <zyme> haha yeah that was silly i know
[10:28] <jesuel> Ive noticed, tvtime takes aLOT of processor time, Where xawtv takes very little next to none
[10:28] <thoreauputic> zyme: ;-)
[10:28] <nmaquet> FAST : k3b will do, for sure
[10:28] <zyme> i had a problem with my cd just spinning, but then i wiped it with a cloth and it worked again
[10:28] <Zenith-> linux_galorl: No, i didnt. But i read in the forum that many others have had the same problem, with dial-up to. The problem is that I couldnt find a solution for the problem
[10:28] <thoreauputic> zyme: could be a diff in terms of base 2 Vs base 10
[10:29] <thoreauputic> zyme: re gigabytes I mean
[10:29] <linux_galor1> zyme: clean the lens on the led.it a clear circular thing about 4 mm
[10:29] <linux_galor1> zyme: led/laser sorry
[10:29] <FAST> thanks
[10:29] <linux_galor1> zyme: cotton bud should do it
[10:30] <zyme> yeah
[10:30] <zyme> i already fixed it
[10:30] <zyme> i wiped it with a cloth
[10:30] <zyme> like a charm i tell you
[10:30] <linux_galor1> zyme: I find the thing clog up about once every two years
[10:30] <thoreauputic> vodka is good for cleaning lasers *g*
[10:31] <allio> what'd be the easiest way to get amarok in ubuntu? the packages are broken and i can't seem to compile it
[10:31] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: no thats wetwear storage cleaning fluid (vodka)
[10:32] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: clears the mind wonderfffffully (hick)
[10:32] <thoreauputic> s/hick/hic   ad lib
[10:32] <linux_galor1> allio: well do a google.com/linux search look for  ftp debian amorok  then add the server to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:32] <allio> cheers
[10:33] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: hmm.. using debian sources is deprecated
[10:33] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: got a nice bottle of scotch ...cant drink it
[10:34] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: depends
[10:34] <allio> doesn't seem to fix the problem anyway
[10:34] <linux_galor1> allio: need to update it too
[10:34] <allio> yeah, have done.
[10:35] <thoreauputic> I guess one or two is unlikely to hurt since hoary is more or less permanently broken anyway *grin*
[10:35] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: lol got about 200-300 package on this thing that arent even on the cvs version
[10:35] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: ah... a man who likes to live on the edge
[10:36] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: pffft its 2 hours old I want it now
[10:36] <thoreauputic> haha
[10:36] <linux_galor1> can see why Im looking at Vidalinux
[10:36] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: I still have debian woody on one box here ;)
[10:37] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: got a P1 still running potato
[10:37] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: wow - that's really pushing the ancient envelope  hehe
[10:38] <thoreauputic> mine's a pentium 200 mmx
[10:38] <njs12345> how hard/dangerous is it to set up SELinux on ubuntu?
[10:38] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yeah 2.2.* kernel
[10:38] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: rock solid?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> woody is practically unbreakable
[10:38] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yes and seems faster than my P3 running 2.6.10
[10:39] <_michael_> Hello. Can anyone tell me where I might find a grub error log ? I'm having a problem with my first custom kernel.
[10:39] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: this is the point where we start doing the Monty Python 3 Yorkshiremen sketch...
[10:39] <_michael_> And I also can't make my desktop retaing its resolution across reboots
[10:39] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yeah put your job on woody
[10:39] <zyme> haha i burned all my mp3s from windows on like 8 dvds and am about halfway done with putting them on ext3 partitions
[10:39] <linux_galor1> heh heh
[10:39] <njs12345> _michael_: a grub error log? how do you mean?
[10:40] <njs12345> like a kernel error log?
[10:40] <thoreauputic> when I were lad, used to use patch cords and valves... !!
[10:40] <_michael_> njs12345: some way of knowing why it goes wrong ?? I just get a strange video mode set with funny lines, as it starts to boot the kernel
[10:40] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: heh heh
[10:40] <njs12345> 0_o
[10:41] <njs12345> you customized it with framebuffer and things like that?
[10:41] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: I had one of them triode based calculating machine I did
[10:41] <_michael_> njs12345: I guess sp. I didn't put anything in the grub boot to say it should use a different resolution though.
[10:41] <njs12345> what video card do you have?
[10:41] <linux_galor1> triode = valve
[10:41] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: diodes? You were lucky! We had to make do with an abacus!
[10:42] <_michael_> I'm using a Matrox G550, as it's the most compatible card I have.
[10:42] <njs12345> it definitely shouldn't do that by default.. if you're lucky and have another PC you might be able to make it output to the serial
[10:43] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: ooh you must have had a rich family..we had to use stones to calculate things we did
[10:43] <_michael_> Hmm. serial isn't an option really. Is there no log from grub then, or a way to get it to log what it does ?
[10:43] <FAST> well.... k3b worked pertty easily
[10:43] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: well, in our family we had to take shoes off and count toes!
[10:44] <linux_galor1> FAST: yeah no brainer
[10:44] <_michael_> thoreauputic: You had shoes ???
[10:44] <FAST> was k3b intended for KDE ?
[10:44] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: aaah we couldnt count toes because we worked in the mines we did all black they were
[10:44] <thoreauputic> well... shoes, I mean rags wrapped around foot
[10:44] <linux_galor1> FAST: yes
[10:44] <tvon> most apps that begin with a 'K' were intended for kde
[10:44] <tvon> :)
[10:44] <FAST> figured
[10:45] <BW-away> hi all; having problems with the root account being disabled, i've read the wiki page RootSudo, but it doesn't get me anywhere, keeps prompting for a password.....
[10:45] <thoreauputic> you worked in mines? you were lucky! We had to *dig* our own mine, and pay for privilege!
[10:45] <Seveas> BW-away, what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:45] <BWGames> Seveas: get into network-config
[10:45] <_michael_> thoreauputic: Bah... In my family, we didn't even have shoes, as we had chopped off our own feet to boil them for some stew to eat.
[10:45] <BWGames> it prompts for a root password
[10:45] <mpq> is it possible to make a partition on the hard drive that can be written to in both windows and linux?
[10:46] <Seveas> BWGames, try `gksudo network-config`
[10:46] <BWGames> Seveas: sorry, network-admin, ok thanks, will do
[10:46] <Seveas> (without the `` of course)
[10:46] <_michael_> njs12345: is the splash option important ? I removed it (and the ro option) from my root line in grub. Could this break it ?
[10:46] <Seveas> and enter your own password
[10:46] <linux_galor1> _michael_: meat pffft we dreamed of meat... we used to try get sis pregnant we got so desperate
[10:46] <thoreauputic> _michael_: aye - but you tell the young people that today, and they won't believe you!
[10:46] <njs12345> no
[10:46] <BWGames> doh...thanks, i didnt realise *your own* password ;)
[10:46] <Seveas> :)
[10:46] <njs12345> splash does a splash screen, so I don't think that would break it
[10:47] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[10:47] <Seveas> hello
[10:47] <linux_galor1> my dad lived in liverpool after the war.....man we have it so good
[10:47] <_michael_> njs12345: Ironically, I don't actually get a splash screen on the prebuilt kernel.
[10:47] <da_bon_bon> wazuo, guys ?
[10:47] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: u enabled bootsplash ?
[10:47] <linux_galor1> he used to steal coal from bombed out homes
[10:47] <njs12345> no, I think it's just there for forward compatibility
[10:48] <njs12345> or something like that anyway, because I don't think the default kernel even has bootsplash in it ;)
[10:48] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: No... just trying to work out why my boot hangs, and what I changed from the defaults
[10:48] <_michael_> njs12345: Yeah, I guessed that, so that's why I left it off. Guess I'll have to rebuild the kernel again. Not sure what to take out (or put in) though.
[10:48] <da_bon_bon> so, has anyone enabled bootsplash on ubuntu kernels ? hoary ?
[10:49] <_michael_> linux_galor1: He obviously used to live in the 'posh' side. Our homes didn't even have coal.
[10:49] <_michael_> linux_galor1: We'd be grateful for the bombings, as they might give us some metal we could sell to t'ironmonger
[10:50] <_michael_> njs12345: which options should guarantee that it doesn't try to change res (but won't break X) ?
[10:51] <theEota> hey zenrox hows it going
[10:51] <dud> hmm, this is rather exciting... seems that vmware workstation beta 5 has athlon64 support :D
[10:51] <linux_galor1> _michael_: I usually remove all the optional res settings that stops it trying to go to the lower setting
[10:51] <dud> finally
[10:52] <linux_galor1> dud: yeah but is it 64 bit
[10:52] <theEota> zenrox you here
[10:52] <_michael_> linux_galor1: for boot console res (trying to get rid of hang) ?? or for the X option (I just want it to stop setting stupidly high res) ?
[10:52] <njs12345> wow
[10:52] <linux_galor1> _michael_: aaah
[10:52] <njs12345> update-manager is pretty cool..
[10:53] <_michael_> what's update-manager ?
[10:53] <_michael_> (aside from managing updates... )
[10:53] <njs12345> _michael_: you running hoary?
[10:53] <_michael_> njs12345: It was a fresh install of warty last night. just rebuilt the first kernel this morning.
[10:54] <njs12345> oh
[10:54] <njs12345> I don't think you have it then
[10:54] <njs12345> it's an update application
[10:54] <_michael_> I might update to hoary once I get the basics system working as I want though
[10:54] <njs12345> so you run it and it tells you what needs upgrading
[10:54] <njs12345> very simple
[10:54] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: hoary rocks!
[10:54] <njs12345> you know, a bit more suitable for the newbs :)
[10:54] <BWGames> can anyone help me set up remote X servering in ubuntu?
[10:54] <_michael_> is it worth me updating to hoary before rebuilding the kernel then ?
[10:55] <da_bon_bon> njs12345: update-manager is just a synaptic based frontend to apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:55] <njs12345> yes
[10:55] <njs12345> but it still rules
[10:55] <bronson> I've got gnutls11-dbg installed but when I try to step into the library I get a "gnutls_global.c: no such file or directory"
[10:55] <bronson> Can anyone tell me where I should put the gnutls source?
[10:57] <_michael_> anybody ? Build kernel, or update to Hoary first ?
[10:58] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: update to hoary
[10:58] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: why r u so keen to build your own kernel ?
[10:58] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: Thanks. I need a new kernel to allow use of my 2GB RAM. I have SMP, but I know there's prebuilt for that
[10:59] <BWGames> i have a remote xterm running, is there any way to get the gnome-wm up?
[10:59] <_michael_> None of the prebuilts have highmem enabled AFAIK
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: hoary has /many/ kernels to choose from - even 2.6.11
[10:59] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: Are they high-mem enabled though ?
[11:00] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: with SMP as well.
[11:00] <linuxboy> does hoary have OpenOffice.org 2 ?
[11:01] <poningru> hi question: is there a small well packaged linux distro that is a media hub?
[11:01] <calamari_> oh yeah.. when are the Ubuntu package maintainers going to update firefox?  I was reading about new exploits found in firefox and I'd like to have the latest version to patch them
[11:01] <poningru> linuxboy: its not out yet
[11:01] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: yes
[11:01] <thoreauputic> _michael_: is "highmem" anything over 1gig?
[11:01] <poningru> OOo2 isnt out yet
[11:01] <_michael_> yes for highmem being over 1G
[11:01] <da_bon_bon> linuxboy: yes. apt-cache policy openoffice.org2
[11:01] <thoreauputic> _michael_: OK thanks
[11:03] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: Okay, thanks. Time for a hoary adventure then ;o)
[11:03] <thoreauputic> BWGames: if X forwarding is enabled in ssh, you can run remote apps in X with ssh -X
[11:03] <calamari_> anyone know why they haven't updated firefox yet?
[11:03] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: you will like it
[11:03] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: I assume it's best done from a console ?
[11:03] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: and not under X ?
[11:03] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: not necessary. gnome-terminal is just fine
[11:04] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: oh, cool. Just follow the instructions on the WIki ?
[11:04] <BWGames> thoreauputic: yup, got it working with apps, but is there any way to run the WM? or.... using XDCMP, any way to get it to show the login screen you get at the X11 console, rather than the GDM?
[11:04] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: and, after installin and updatin, remember "apt-get remove xserver-xfree86" and "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" ok ?
[11:04] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: noted.
[11:05] <thoreauputic> BWGames: yes, you can run gnome remotely : it's a question of startx with a terminal and then type gnome-session
[11:05] <thoreauputic> BWGames: there are more elegant ways - but that will work
[11:06] <BWGames> thoreauputic: thanks, that worked! :)
[11:06] <Vilijo> hey how do I install windows to my qemu ? Do i need some disk image err?
[11:06] <mjr> BWGames, what do you mean? The login screen you get at the console _is_ GDM.
[11:06] <thoreauputic> mjr: heh - not if you ssh in - you get a console and a prompt
[11:07] <mjr> if you want the graphical greeter on remote computers, that can be set from gdmconfig
[11:07] <BWGames> mjr: thats what i want, thanks, i'll try that :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> mjr: yes, true
[11:07] <mjr> thore, http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/C/console.html :
[11:10] <BWGames> gnome-session worked, but i just get a blank desktop, with no top panel or virtual desktop switcher
[11:10] <thoreauputic> mjr: OK point taken: I meant a text only tty - will that do ;)
[11:11] <_michael_> What's the URL to upgrade from warty to Hoary ? I saw it yesterday, but lost it again.
[11:11] <BWGames> hoarys out? I just installed warty *oh great*
[11:12] <_michael_> no... not final yet
[11:13] <thoreauputic> _michael_: just replace all instances of "warty" with "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:13] <_michael_> thoreauputic: Thanks.
[11:14] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: refer to ubuntguide.org
[11:14] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: Thanks. I hadn't seen that.
[11:17] <_michael_> well, I should have hoary up and running in 30 mins ;o)
[11:18] <Vilijo> how do I install an operating system to qemu ?
[11:18] <Vilijo> for
[11:19] <thoreauputic> _michael_: wow - you have some impressive pipe there!
[11:19] <BWGames> when logging in via XCDMP/gnome-session etc, i get the desktop window and the two panels top and bottom panel... but nothing appears in them, even when i manually add something, they appear fine on console grahpical login?
[11:19] <_michael_> thoreauputic: Only a 2Meg line, but I manage a solid 230kBps
[11:19] <BWGames> _michael_: only? i "only" have a 512k pipe
[11:20] <BWGames> people still use dialup? oo err :(
[11:20] <_michael_> Must be time for the yorkshiremen sketch again.... ;oP
[11:20] <thoreauputic> BWGames: poor people do, yeah ;)
[11:20] <BWGames> thoreauputic: fair enough ;)
[11:21] <selinium_> hi all, has anyone got a tv pci working that can let me now how! :)
[11:21] <thoreauputic> when I were lad, didn't even have telephone! Had to make do with paper cups and a bit of string!
[11:22] <_michael_> String ? We had to pull whisker off t'cat and use that betweem two halves of an eggshell.
[11:22] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Luxury! I used to use rolled up newspaper  to make a megaphone to shout through!
[11:23] <thoreauputic> OK OK  !!  rofl
[11:23] <Tomcat_> newspaper?
[11:23] <Tomcat_> Luxury. :o
[11:24] <_michael_> You could shout ? After working down t'pit all day, using throat to break the coal, we didn't even have a voice.
[11:24] <thoreauputic> WE used to lean out't window and just yell! (window -well it were hole in septic tank!)
[11:26] <selinium_> LOL is it something about monty python and proppeller heads..... :)
[11:26] <selinium_> Can anyone give me some pointers on how to get my TV card working?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> selinium_: is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
[11:27] <_michael_> You had propellers ?? We had to whittle down our own shin bones and turn them real fast using only our thumbs.
[11:27] <selinium_> thoreauputic:  Argument? i think i am in the wrong room! :)
[11:28] <thoreauputic> _michael_: you were lucky! We had to use old bits of cloth and flap them! Propellers? pffft!
[11:28] <thoreauputic> selinium_: heh
[11:29] <thoreauputic> selinium_: I'm sorry I'm not allowed to argue unless you pay
[11:29] <selinium_> thoreauputic: my tv card has ceased to be, it is an ex-tv card, if was for the fact it is screw to the chassis it would be pushong up the diodes.
[11:30] <thoreauputic> selinium_: haha
[11:30] <thoreauputic> good one
[11:31] <StoffBox-Steve> is Nvidia Twinview an extra Package ?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> selinium_: I'm sorry, I'm all out of TV cards - I just looked out the back
[11:32] <StoffBox-Steve> or simple add a 2nd divces at the config ?
[11:32] <selinium_> ROFL!
[11:32] <thoreauputic> selinium_: i have a worm gear ...
[11:33] <selinium_> And i thought we would start to run out of pythonisms :)
[11:33] <_michael_> thoreauputic: I heard that size doesn't matter...
[11:33] <Vilijo> hey does anyone know what might be the problem. I try install windows XP in qemu, but it says it doesn't find any hard drives. I created that .img file but how do I execute a command so that I can start installing windows xp from cd in qemu and also so that qemu finds that hard drive img ?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> nod nod, wink wink, say no more!
[11:34] <_d4vid> http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/news/archive/parishiltonaddressbook.htm
[11:34] <selinium_> thoreauputic: nods as godd as a wink to a blind man.
[11:34] <Vilijo> I guess it is easy thing but I just don't get smth and I am novice
[11:34] <NeoChaosX> ...so you installed Linux first?
[11:35] <Vilijo> I am trying to install windows xp in qemu and I am running qemu on ubuntu
[11:35] <thoreauputic> selinium_: are you selling something?
[11:35] <NeoChaosX> I see
[11:35] <selinium_> thoreauputic: my tv card, bit of a go-er? Er, no not really
[11:36] <selinium_> thoreauputic: If the pc card appear in the deice manager. it is installed, right?
[11:36] <NeoChaosX> Vil: if you're trying to install windows so you can run it from Linux, can't help
[11:36] <thoreauputic> is it interested in *photography* ....he said knowingly  ;)
[11:37] <selinium_> thoreauputic: My typing today is awful. It like i'm hitting the keyboard with a pound of sausages!
[11:37] <NeoChaosX> Vil: i thought your problem was be about dual-booting
[11:37] <thoreauputic> selinium_: at this point I'm afraid I've lost it - I've been here for too long I think...
[11:38] <Vilijo> nop, it's pc emulator
[11:38] <selinium_> thoreauputic: No you haven't :)
[11:41] <thoreauputic> OK I'm going to take a snity check and get some sleep...
[11:42] <thoreauputic> heh *sanity
[11:42] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Sleep well!
[11:42] <_michael_> Say HI to sanity for me
[11:42] <thoreauputic> selinium_: thanks
[11:42] <thoreauputic> _michael_: haven't been acquainted with sanity lately ;-)
[11:43] <thoreauputic> good night!
[11:43] <Adrenal> why do bad things happen to good people?
[11:44] <_michael_> What happened Ad ?
[11:44] <selinium_> ?
[11:46] <selinium_> _michael_: Can you help with my tv card problem?
[11:46] <_michael_> selinium_: sorry. A bit new to ubuntu, and not vastly experienced with Linux...
[11:46] <selinium_> _michael_:  Me too!
[11:47] <selinium_> _michael_: I have been running ubuntu for a week. I have stopped using windows. I wish i had discovered linux years ago.
[11:48] <_michael_> selenium_: Heh. I've tried most distributions on-and-off over the last 8 years or so. Installed Ubuntu last night, and loving it atm.
[11:49] <cbgb> selinium i do agree with you
[11:50] <_michael_> The only problem I have is my occasional games addiction, but the consoles have caught up enough for me now...
[11:51] <selinium_> It is getting to the point were buying a dedicated games machine seems like a good idea! No viruses, online gameing. And use ubuntu for everything else!
[11:52] <_michael_> selenium_:Absolutely. It seems that the only reason to upgrade PC hardware these days is for games, and you can buy a console (or a few) for the price of a top graphics card !
[11:54] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: updating ?
[11:54] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: You still around ? Once thie update finishes unpacking, do I just reboot, then do the remove of xfree etc., or do that before reboot ?
[11:55] <_michael_> ROFL
[11:55] <_michael_> Your timing is impeccable
[11:55] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: before reboot
[11:55] <selinium_> That was strange!
[11:55] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: okay.
[11:56] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: it finsihed alread y ?
[11:56] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: Finished the download. still unpacking though.
[11:56] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: OMG! it took me 9 hours
[11:57] <da_bon_bon> tritium: hiya
[11:57] <tritium> hi da_bon_bon
[11:59] <da_bon_bon> tritium: YAY! gaims updated to 1.1.4
[11:59] <tritium> cool
[11:59] <da_bon_bon> tritium: u still not updated ?
[11:59] <da_bon_bon> only fucking firefox is not upgraded
[11:59] <tritium> da_bon_bon, earlier I did, yes
[12:00] <iftherewerealitt> hi, i have a question - i am wanting to install ndiswrapper, i have downloaded the .deb file of the debian repository from my working internet connection in windows, rebooted to ubuntu and gone to install it to no luck, how do i go about it?
[12:01] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: Do I want to keep my current ide-devfs.sh ?
[12:02] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: have u changed it ?
[12:02] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: Not that I know of...
[12:02] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: then no
[12:04] <_michael_> selinium_: Problems ?
[12:05] <iftherewerealitt> any ideas?
[12:06] <selinium_> _michael_: only that i keep closing the wrong window. DOH!
[12:06] <_michael_> iftherewerealitt: When you say "no luck", what have you tried, and what happened ?
[12:07] <iftherewerealitt> i have tried using synaptic but it doesn't respond to the file
[12:07] <iftherewerealitt> i just don't know how to install a deb file thats all
[12:07] <bascule> dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:07] <spazery> Hi, is it possible to share an internet connection with a xp machine and a linux machine without using a router. Im using direct connection through network cards with a crossover cable
[12:08] <spazery> i can ping the 2 machines and use a samba server but im not sure how to share the net connection
[12:08] <bascule> needs an iptables script, I am not sure on it, you can find examples easily enough
[12:08] <_michael_> which machine is the internet connected to ?
[12:08] <bascule> one acts as the gateway for the other and a few bits more ..
[12:08] <spazery> the xp machine
[12:09] <bascule> using XP as the gateway, then you can use XPs ICS, no I don't know how ;)
[12:09] <_michael_> you can use internet connection sharing on XP, and configure the Linux box with the right IP. I don't know more than that.
[12:09] <bascule> ICS - Internet connection sharing
[12:09] <Hedgehog> ?????
[12:09] <spazery> ok il have a go, thanks
[12:10] <bascule> Yeah having XP front out to the net and linux behind, not the way I'd do it ;)
[12:12] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: what is ubuntu-desktop ? I went to remove xfree, but it was already gone...
[12:13] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: ok. ubuntu-desktop installs polypaudio for you.
[12:13] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: what's that ? It's giving me a warning about not being authenticated.
[12:13] <[m0rph] > hi
[12:13] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: after that, reboot, and read http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[12:14] <[m0rph] > I chose "German" as my locale in gdm, but some gnome programs are still in english, e.g gnome-panel, nautilus. How can I change that?
[12:15] <_michael_> okay. off for reboot into Hoary !
[12:16] <da_bon_bon> guys - have a look and tell me how is she - http://www.santabanta.com/wallpapers/rating.asp?catid=409078
[12:18] <bascule> da_bon_bon: yum
[12:18] <bascule> not as in the redhat rpm thing though, yum as in chocolate
[12:18] <da_bon_bon> bascule: :)
[12:18] <bascule> ;)
[12:18] <_michael_> Seemed to work ;o)
[12:19] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: no immediate problems, like resolution and stuff ?
[12:19] <da_bon_bon> bascule: http://www.santabanta.com/wallpapers/rating.asp?catid=434055
[12:19] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: It actually used the resolution I tried to store. Warty kept resetting it.
[12:19] <da_bon_bon> bascule: http://www.santabanta.com/wallpapers/rating.asp?catid=403063
[12:20] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: no sound though, but I haven't done what was in the HTML link yet
[12:20] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: do it and sound will be no issue
[12:21] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: Hmm. seems I have less resolutions available - much more limited ?
[12:21] <medutis> hi, i have a question: when applying for CD shipping, the default number is '10'. Does it mean, that the distribution comes with 10CD, or default number of 10 copies?
[12:22] <umarmung> medutis, 10 copies of 2 cds
[12:22] <medutis> i need only 1 copy of ubuntu
[12:22] <_michael_> logging for sound update...
[12:22] <da_bon_bon> _michael_: xorgconfig in the terminal. and, is system prefs. multimedia systems selector... select both ESD
[12:22] <da_bon_bon> medutis: distro is only 1 cd. by defualt u get 10 cds
[12:22] <da_bon_bon> medutis: then select
[12:22] <da_bon_bon> 1
[12:22] <medutis> this means, 20 CDs ? :] 
[12:22] <umarmung> medutis, yes, livecd+installcd
[12:22] <_michael_> da_bon_bon: okay..
[12:22] <medutis> i selected 1, so i'll get 2.. live+install cd's ?
[12:22] <umarmung> medutis, yes
[12:23] <medutis> thank you
[12:32] <ompaul> hi I was trying to use the gnome front end for configuring the modem didn't work out any ideas? this machine is currently up and running on ppp0 using a knoppix disk - given that it won't work with hoary array 5
[12:45] <ompaul> hi I was trying to use the gnome front end for configuring the modem didn't work out any ideas? this machine is currently up and running on ppp0 using a knoppix disk - given that it won't work with hoary array 5
[12:46] <umarmung> ompaul, dsl modem?
[12:46] <ompaul> nope pots
[12:49] <len> hiya, i want to try LILO... to install it is it ok to remove GRUB then Install LILO?
[12:50] <Vjaz> Anyone know if it's possible to configure a GNOME icon theme so that if an icon is not found in the theme, a dummy icon is displayed instead of a default theme icon?
[12:50] <ompaul> len it is but that kind of thing makes no sense what has happened, are you unable to boot your windows?
[12:51] <len> ompaul: no.. i was about to upgrade to 10-4-k7 kernel and it says that LILO is recomended.
[12:52] <len> ompaul:  so i was thinking of doing it, but i am unsure
[12:52] <ompaul> len na go for the nice grub it is supposed to automagically capture the new kernel
[12:52] <len> ompaul: i don't have windows
[12:53] <ompaul> len snap :)
[12:53] <len> ompaul: k, thanks for advice.. i will keep grub
[01:24] <oz_> ehemm.. sound check.. testing testing.. :)
[01:24] <k-man> evening all
[01:24] <oz_> hey k-man.. nice to see someone talking
[01:26] <Octavian> I am having a strange problem, for some reason has soon as hotplug begins its module checks, it just hangs there until I have to force shutoff
[01:26] <ulas2> any one here experiencing this no audio problem with hoary!!!
[01:27] <oz_> ulas2: you betcha - all sorts
[01:27] <ulas2> oz_, any solutions pal?
[01:28] <ulas2> oz_, or any signs what is the reason?
[01:28] <oz_> I've changed to ALSA default sink
[01:28] <ulas2> oz_, gstreamer properties?
[01:28] <Xappe> i've turned off that beast called plypaudio
[01:28] <oz_> seems to help a bit - had to leave input as oss.
[01:28] <ggol> hi everybody here i am new both to ubuntu and irc and have a problem with my sony vaio nootebook modem
[01:28] <Xappe> *polypaudio
[01:28] <HFusion> Does Hoary (array-5) include the nv 6629 drivers, or they have to be downloaded?
[01:29] <jazzka> hi!
[01:29] <chibifs> Hello :)
[01:29] <oz_> ulas2: from system->preferences->media selector
[01:29] <drrakn> anyone tried installing beagle from source lately? (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto) DBus seems to be 0.23 while 0.23.1 is required. If I install 0.23.1 from source, will it break all of my dbus-using apps? Am I just doing something foolish? :)
[01:29] <jazzka> I'm installing ubuntu, and partitioning the hard drive
[01:30] <jazzka> I dont see any option to set a swap partition, help!!
[01:30] <oz_> jazzka: a bit of advice - avoid reiserfs until v4.
[01:30] <ulas2> oz_, hmmm. are you able to run gnome-volume-control ?
[01:30] <chibifs> Heh, I think reiserfs3 is fine. :P
[01:30] <oz_> ulas2: yes runs fine.
[01:31] <jazzka> I'm ok with ext3 or ext2
[01:31] <ggol> sombody  here who has experience with soft modems ?
[01:31] <ulas2> oz_, damn!! i get segfault
[01:31] <oz_> chibifs: until you try to run selinux.
[01:31] <jazzka> how can I set a swap partition?
[01:32] <cblack> lo folks
[01:32] <oz_> ulas2: what module?
[01:32] <jazzka> which is the mount point for a swap partition?
[01:32] <HFusion> which packages should be installed to upgrade the nvidia driver in hoary?
[01:32] <ulas2> oz_, snd_emu10k1
[01:33] <oz_> ulas2: try  tail -f /var/log/messages
[01:33] <HFusion> ... and is the order relevant?
[01:33] <Xappe> jazzka, just create the swappartition and I think ubuntu will use it
[01:33] <jazzka> ok, doesnt ubuntu fit in 250 MB ?
[01:34] <oz_> jazzka: there is no real mount point"...
[01:34] <oz_> ulas2: any more inof in messages?
[01:34] <flosch> hi
[01:35] <ulas2> oz_, the strangest thing.. everything seems to be working i can see the analyzer in xmms gone wild. but no sound. not even a single bit of an information
[01:36] <oz_> ulas2: I heard about someone earlier that had a problem with the volume control (set to zero)
[01:37] <oz_> ulas2: Anyone know where the PCM conf file lives?
[01:37] <ulas2> oz_, i had this with warthy.. that was the first thing i tried with alsamixer. but hey thanks anyway. i will investigate this in deep to get more clues. then i will get back to you...
[01:38] <oz_> ulas2: cheers mate.
[01:39] <mdke> hi i can't mount my smb share on another computer
[01:39] <mdke> this error in dmesg:
[01:39] <mdke> smbfs: mount_data version 1684370019 is not supported
[01:39] <mdke> can anyone help me out?
[01:39] <mdke> this is the line in fstab
[01:40] <mdke> /eustathios/home/matt/music     /media/music  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials
[01:41] <drrakn> http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2002-July/047060.html
[01:41] <drrakn> possibly
[01:41] <drrakn> dpkg -l |grep smbmount
[01:41] <mdke> hmm
[01:42] <drrakn> sory
[01:42] <drrakn> sorry: smbfs
[01:42] <drrakn> make sure that is installed
[01:42] <mdke> in both cases not installed
[01:42] <drrakn> sudo apt-get install smbfs
[01:42] <mdke> :)
[01:42] <drrakn> then it might work
[01:42] <drrakn> stupid error message though :p
[01:43] <mdke> yep
[01:43] <mdke> ty
[01:43] <drrakn> might file a bug about that against whatever package mount is in
[01:43] <drrakn> IMOHO
[01:44] <mdke> hmm
[01:44] <mdke> how come?
[01:44] <Edge> what? a good editor for ubuntu
[01:45] <drrakn> mdke: it would be nice if mount said: "what the heck are you doing, please install smbfs"
[01:45] <drrakn> instead of just vomiting
[01:45] <ArdieM> can tell me any kget like tool on ubuntu ?
[01:45] <mdke> drrakn, ah you mean an upstream bug?
[01:45] <drrakn> I'm not sure which is better, I probably depends on the package maintainer :)
[01:45] <drrakn> errr
[01:45] <elTigre> could someone help me to compile blender under ubuntu?
[01:45] <drrakn> s/I/it/
[01:46] <ArdieM> (download manager)
[01:46] <elTigre> make fails due to not finding "prlock.h"
[01:46] <drrakn> hmmm, anyway, bbl
[01:46] <larsrohdin> excuse me... how can i mount my digital camera? connected with usb...
[01:47] <mdke> ArdieM, you can use kget probably. d4x is a good download manager as well
[01:47] <ArdieM> mdke: thank you
[01:48] <mdke> np
[01:48] <ArdieM> how can i install the standard locales
[01:48] <ArdieM> the german dont work right...
[01:49] <ArdieM> apt-get locales ?
[01:49] <ArdieM> *install
[01:49] <mdke> you can use the package manager
[01:49] <mdke> synaptic
[01:50] <mdke> then you can do dpkg --reconfigure locales iirc
[01:50] <ArdieM> ardiem@chillout:~ $ d4x
[01:50] <ArdieM> Segmentation fault
[01:50] <larsrohdin>  how can i mount my digital camera? connected with usb... anyone?
[01:50] <ArdieM> just plug it in
[01:50] <mdke> larsrohdin, what happens when you plug it in?
[01:50] <ArdieM> i think it automounts in media
[01:51] <larsrohdin> nothing, ok ill have a look in media
[01:51] <larsrohdin> no only cdroms and floppys...
[01:52] <larsrohdin> but i found something in synaptic... ill try that
[01:52] <bascule> larsrohdin: sudo dmesg, see if it was attached
[01:53] <heyrhett> how do i get a dual display working?
[01:53] <oz_> how do i get a list of locked files?
[01:53] <larsrohdin> USB Mass Storage device found at 2
[01:54] <bascule> ls -l /dev/sd*
[01:55] <larsrohdin> brw-rw----    1 root     plugdev
[01:57] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[01:57] <bascule> no /dev/sd*  ?
[01:57] <membreya> hmmm is it possible to burn a .bin iso file in ubuntu??
[01:58] <larsrohdin> ls -l /dev/sda shows brw-rw----    1 root     plugdev
[01:58] <mdke> hi all
[01:58] <mdke> sorry again for a n00b question
[01:58] <bascule> membreya: yup, I forget hoe though
[01:58] <membreya> damnit!
[01:58] <membreya> mdke: that's all we got here :P
[01:58] <mdke> the libesd package appears to be a reverse dependency of my whole damn system
[01:58] <mdke> is there any way to remove it?
[01:59] <bascule> what does scs1: unrecignixed op-code 0x51 mean?
[01:59] <mdke> membreya, you have to answer my question now ;p
[01:59] <membreya> means you got too much damn time on your hands :P
[01:59] <bascule> heh
[02:00] <membreya> it's not in google
[02:00] <membreya> mdke: format c:
[02:01] <bascule> membreya: do you know if it is an ISO? 'file thingy.bin'
[02:06] <mdke> goddammit
[02:06] <mdke> net connection went down. did anyone answer my question?
[02:07] <membreya> bascule: yes it is an iso .bin thingy :)
[02:07] <membreya> mdke: sorry everyone's asleep
[02:07] <bascule> membreya: so just burn it
[02:07] <mdke> k
[02:07] <bascule> mdke: why do you want to remove it?
[02:07] <mdke> i'm just trying to clean things up
[02:07] <bascule> membreya: if file said it was an ISO burn the darn thing
[02:08] <mdke> remove as many packages as i don't use
[02:08] <bascule> mdke: well you have to avoid the ones with big dep trees
[02:08] <bascule> just how it is
[02:08] <mdke> lol
[02:08] <membreya> it's not in right click I don't understand :P
[02:08] <mdke> i would argue that the dep tree is wrong
[02:08] <bascule> did file thingy.bin actually return ISO9660
[02:09] <membreya> when? :P
[02:09] <bascule> 13:01 < bascule> membreya: do you know if it is an ISO? 'file thingy.bin'
[02:09] <bascule> when you followed that advice :P
[02:09] <membreya> i know it's an iso cos I downloaded it :P
[02:09] <membreya> oh :D
[02:09] <membreya> haha
[02:09] <membreya> sorry
[02:09] <membreya> just finished work
[02:10] <bascule> ah, not the same thing, file knows more than you ;)
[02:10] <membreya> talking to idiots drains approximately 1iq point per/ 10 mins
[02:10] <membreya> im running on negative right now
[02:10] <mdke> you talk to idiots?
[02:10] <bascule> patience levels [=+[02:10] <mdke> charity work?
[02:10] <bascule> lol
[02:11] <membreya> lol
[02:11] <mdke> tech support
[02:11] <membreya> mdke: Internet Banking support :P
[02:11] <mdke> ah
[02:11] <membreya> close enough :)
[02:11] <membreya> bascule: Connectix.Virtual.PC.For.Windows.v5.2-QUANTUM.ShareReactor.bin: data
[02:11] <mdke> ouch
[02:11] <mdke> bbl
[02:12] <Squirrel> hi, is there a command line tool that will list the processes running on my remote windows computer?
[02:14] <bascule> membreya: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/#toc7
[02:14] <bascule> google string: 'linux converting .bin ISO'
[02:14] <bascule> 3rd hit, avoid .com like the plague :)
[02:15] <larsrohdin> i still can't get my digital camera working. i can mount it as either usbfs or vfat. but i can't see any photos in either case... with vfat it shows a file called "dcim" but i can't do anything with it...
[02:15] <membreya> dcim is a directory larsrohdin
[02:16] <larsrohdin> membreya, ok, it doesn't look like it to me... i can't open it or anything
[02:16] <_michael_> why is it that my sound worked so seamlessly under warty, bu refuses to do anything under hoary... gah
[02:17] <larsrohdin> membreya, what can i do with it?
[02:18] <membreya> hmmm you should be able to cd to it ..but if you cant then im stuck ..havent tried with linux yet
[02:18] <cocol> _michael reinstall totem-xine
[02:18] <larsrohdin> not even root has permisson to enter that directory...
[02:18] <_michael_> cocol: will try that.
[02:18] <mz2> what may have gone wrong in installing hoary when X fails to load up, complaining about the font fixed. and the corresponding fontpath is commented out from xorg.conf gdm and startx both manage to run for a bit (cursor is seen) and then without any error messages it closes and goes back to the consol
[02:18] <mz2> e
[02:18] <_michael_> cocol: but when I try to test the 'sinks' I get no sound either.
[02:19] <marcin_ant> hi - short question
[02:19] <mz2> i've tried doing reinstalls of all sorts of important packages related to X11 (at first it crashed when trying to open up X, after the updates/reinstalls it just doesn't open)
[02:20] <RonnyRa> Hi
[02:20] <_michael_> cocol: nothing.
[02:20] <RonnyRa> How do I get an new screen resolution if i did not select here at the setup?
[02:20] <marcin_ant> I would like to as if   sudo /etc/init.d/[servicename]  restart  is the only way to manage services on ubuntu?
[02:20] <_michael_> RonnyRa: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution.
[02:21] <marcin_ant> s/as/ask
[02:21] <RonnyRa> michael: haha. I mean a screen resolution i didnt select at the setup
[02:21] <_michael_> RonnyRa: I went and used xorgconfig from a terminal.
[02:22] <RonnyRa> xorgconfig
[02:23] <RonnyRa> How do you use that?
[02:23] <_michael_> or xf86config for warty I guess..
[02:23] <_michael_> basic X config things.
[02:24] <RonnyRa> michael: Dont throw around with programs here. I would rather like to know, _how_ to use them. Even xorgconfig is "command not find" at term
[02:24] <davix> why can't i access any config screens in the system menu (gnome, hoary)
[02:24] <_michael_> RonnyRa: Sorry then - can't help.
[02:24] <msumu> hi people of da free world
[02:25] <cblack> any suggestions on a decent thin, flat gtk theme?
[02:25] <Vjaz> Is the only way to add/remove items from the Gnome Applications menu to manually edit .desktop-files in /usr/share/applications?
[02:26] <karl> hello everybody
[02:26] <RonnyRa> hi karl
[02:27] <karl> I just finish to install this great versiion of ubuntu, it look nice
[02:27] <membreya> hmm I just plugged in my digital camera and it was recognised
[02:27] <membreya> :)
[02:27] <mdke> i have a slight problem with nautilus. When I resize the icons to 75/50%, it also resizes the text to the same proportion of the application font setting. this leaves me with tiny fonts in nautilus. Is there any solution to this?
[02:27] <cocol> _michael, reinstall mozilla-mplayer or mozplugger
[02:28] <karl> but, someone can help me how to acces my other Windows partitions
[02:28] <karl> in fat32
[02:29] <patrick_> goodday
[02:29] <patrick_> can somebody tell ,if i go into the right direction?
[02:29] <patrick_> i need to change something in fstab
[02:30] <cocol> _michael, or try mplayer-586 mplayer-fonts
[02:30] <patrick_> i added an harddisk to fstab, its mounting when booting, but i cant write to it.
[02:30] <patrick_> so i hav eto change permissions
[02:31] <membreya> patrick_: what type of FS?
[02:31] <patrick_> ext3
[02:31] <patrick_> i think i have to eddit when im root
[02:31] <jazzka> hi!
[02:32] <patrick_> i can acces it through samba but i cant write to it....
[02:32] <jazzka> installing ubuntu, I got this message: "It wasn't possible to install the selected kernel" kernel package linux-i386
[02:32] <jazzka> what can I do?
[02:33] <nandi> join #slackware
[02:34] <patrick_> i added an harddisk to fstab, its mounting when booting, but i cant write to it.
[02:34] <patrick_> i have to change fstab
[02:34] <patrick_> right?
[02:35] <cocol> ro = rw
[02:35] <patrick_> i've goot now this
[02:36] <patrick_> /dev/hdb /mnt/data  ext3  rw,user,auto 0 0
[02:37] <patrick_> is that correct?
[02:37] <cocol> try it
[02:37] <mdke> i have a slight problem with nautilus. When I resize the icons to 75/50%, it also resizes the text to the same proportion of the application font setting. this leaves me with tiny fonts in nautilus. Is there any solution to this?
[02:37] <patrick_> like that its not working
[02:37] <no0tic> in firefox, when I click onto a "mailto:" link, it doesnt open anything, instead of opening thunderbird
[02:39] <patrick_> cocol,-- like that its not working
[02:39] <cocol> patrick_, sorry
[02:39] <Vjaz> no0tic: you need to configure your "Preferred applications"
[02:39] <demon_mortal> hi@all
[02:39] <no0tic> Vjaz: there already is thunderbird in preferred applications
[02:40] <Vjaz> no0tic: you need a script for it to work... (yes I know, it's silly)
[02:42] <no0tic> Vjaz: ah, I must control thunderbird is open or not, then launch the proper command, right?
[02:42] <demon_mortal> is somebody out there who will help me with a little gnome prob???
[02:42] <Vjaz> no0tic: yes
[02:42] <Vjaz> no0tic: there's a script somewhere in the net if you don't want to whip your own...
[02:42] <claws> what makes an USB-device pop up on the desktop?  i recompiled my own kernel and now it dosen't do that anymore
[02:42] <no0tic> Vjaz: very silly :)
[02:42] <no0tic> Vjaz: thanks
[02:42] <Vjaz> no0tic: I don't remember where though... might've been mozillazine.org
[02:42] <claws> the usb work btw - just mount manually
[02:43] <Vjaz> no0tic: yeah, I hope it gets fixed
[02:44] <mdke> i have a slight problem with nautilus. When I resize the icons to 75/50%, it also resizes the text to the same proportion of the application font setting. this leaves me with tiny fonts in nautilus. Is there any solution to this?
[02:44] <patrick_> ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but can write to it
[02:45] <patrick_> cant
[02:45] <patrick_> ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but cant write to it
[02:45] <Vilijo> can I operate in file browser with root permissions somehow ?
[02:46] <demon_mortal> i've a black cros i the middle of my gnome desktop... and i'm not able to do something against it...   need some help please
[02:46] <mdke> Vilijo, applications->system tools->run as different user
[02:47] <mdke> or "gksudo nautilus"
[02:48] <HavoK> where i can find a list of unstable repository? (i mean, something like debian/unstable - not universe)
[02:51] <Vilijo> thanks
[02:52] <will> where do i find the reqirements for compiling a prog from source?
[02:55] <patrick_> ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but can write to it
[02:56] <Climber> Hello, I'd like to know if a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB of RAM will work with Ubuntu in a graphical environment?
[02:56] <kratzer54847> Blah
[02:57] <Xappe> Climber, probably if you use a lightweight wm/de
[02:57] <will> just
[02:59] <jakejarvis> n00b needs help installing GCC! when I ./configure, I get the error "You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler."
[02:59] <jakejarvis> how do i do that?
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[02:59] <Xappe> try installing build-essentials
[03:00] <HavoK> jakejarvis: usually installing gcc will help =) apt-get install gcc
[03:00] <jakejarvis> in the terminal i type apt-get...?
[03:00] <HavoK> jakejarvis: being root
[03:00] <jakejarvis> ok, thanks!
[03:00] <HavoK> no problem =)
[03:00] <Xappe> jakejarvis, sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[03:01] <jakejarvis> thanks!
[03:04] <patrick_> can somebody helps a n00b with write permissions
[03:06] <patrick_> ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but can write to it
[03:06] <claws> what makes an USB-device pop up on the desktop?  i recompiled my own kernel and now it dosen't do that anymore
[03:06] <patrick_> can somebody helps a n00b with write permissions
[03:08] <Xappe> shoot and someone shall answer thou, as the bible 2k5 nerd edition says
[03:10] <patrick_> ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but can write to it
[03:10] <patrick_> i have to change ownership
[03:10] <patrick_> but my two braincells are overloaded
[03:12] <branimir> hi all
[03:12] <branimir> i have a q..
[03:12] <Xappe> patrick_,  umask= 000 maybe?
[03:12] <patrick_> no its ext3, i readed somewhere thats not good?
[03:12] <Goshawk> hot to run user mode linux on ubuntu?
[03:12] <SuperLag> How well does Ubuntu run on AMD64?
[03:12] <branimir> does anyone know of an smart boot manager kind of software that supports booting of an usb device...
[03:12] <SuperLag> any major issues, to speak of?
[03:12] <jk> SuperLag: no, runs fine here
[03:13] <jk> SuperLag: except for not being able to use win32 codecs in mplayer
[03:13] <SuperLag> jk: what about firefox, and all the plugins? (java, flash....)
[03:14] <jk> SuperLag: flash won't work; there is an amd64 java
[03:14] <branimir> no one?
[03:14] <SuperLag> jk: /query?
[03:14] <patrick_> ive added an harddisk to fstab with sudo geidt, added this line   /dev/hdb  /mnt/data  ext3 rw,user,auto 0 0  . mouts with booting , can enter it local and throught samba network, but cant write to it
[03:15] <jk> SuperLag: why not in the channel? :)
[03:15] <SuperLag> Is this okay?
[03:15] <jk> oh sure
[03:19] <branimir> ok.. here is a another one.. is it possible to instal ubuntu over lan network?
[03:21] <branimir> no? anyone?
[03:22] <housetier> branimir smart boot manager: http://btmgr.webframe.org/
[03:23] <housetier> don't know if it'll boot from usb
[03:23] <larsrohdin> is it possible to somehow make an iso-file of a copy protected dvd?
[03:24] <branimir> house: but does it support booting off an usb device?
[03:24] <branimir> for installation
[03:24] <branimir> housr: i'v tried the latest version but still no usb support
[03:24] <cartman> is archive.ubuntu.com down?
[03:24] <cartman> Can't connect here
[03:25] <larsrohdin> is it possible to somehow make an iso-file of a copy protected dvd?
[03:31] <robodex> hey, anyone know exactly when hoary will be available on shipit?
[03:32] <FEL> hello ubuntu-gurus ... is there a network install for ubuntu? I haven't got a CD-Drive.
[03:35] <branimir> FEL: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791
[03:36] <daniels> FEL: yep -- see http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/installer-i386/current/, there are netboot images under there somewhere
[03:36] <FEL> ty.
[03:40] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:41] <FEL> hi.
[03:42] <Martok> Anybody get the flu yet?
[03:43] <ubernoob> Martok: yupp! i caught the ubuntu fever! :P
[03:44] <keyshawn2> i had it in october.
[03:46] <NermalLaptop> 2
[03:50] <len> hiya, can I share a printer in NFS?  or must i do SAMBA?
[03:51] <housetier> len you can use cups, that way unix, linux, and windows clients can use it
[03:52] <len> housetier: only linux (ubuntu) used here.  I have NFS set up already, but i can't find out how to share the printer
[03:53] <housetier> len nfs is only for filesystems
[03:53] <len> housetier: i kinda figured... thanks for resting my mind
[03:54] <housetier> len use cups for printing services
[03:54] <len> housetrier: k, do i keep the nfs ?
[03:55] <housetier> of course, nfs is for filesystems, cups for printing services
[03:56] <len> housetier:  cools, thanks for the lesson :)
[04:01] <Sexytiger> hey
[04:01] <Sexytiger> How do I install the deb command in my ubuntu?
[04:01] <msumu> hi peoples of da free world
[04:02] <Sexytiger> when I enter deb it says that the command doesn't exist :\
[04:02] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: use dpkg -i <debfile>
[04:03] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: if you just want to install something then use Synaptic and install from the repositories if its there
[04:03] <Sexytiger> I want to install from the backports
[04:04] <morchuboo> then edit your /etc/sources.list file and add the repositories. They you can just use Synaptic
[04:05] <Sexytiger> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports distribution sections
[04:05] <Sexytiger> add this?
[04:07] <SiRrUs> Sexytiger very helpfull guide here  www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:07] <farruinn> s/distributions/ubuntu-backports (iirc) s/sections/main universe whatever you are using
[04:07] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: yes but it will need to be
[04:07] <morchuboo> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main universe
[04:07] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: See http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ and follow the example there
[04:08] <Sexytiger> thanks :)
[04:09] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: np :)
[04:10] <farruinn> hm, backports on an ubuntu domain? Is ubuntuforums an official ubuntu domain?
[04:10] <Sexytiger> hmm, I started Synaptic, It says it cannnot make stat to the list or something
[04:11] <robodex> Sexytiger: run it using sudo or from a root console
[04:11] <farruinn> gksudo would be better
[04:11] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: you need to update the list - click the relaod button
[04:11] <robodex> either that or do sudo apt-get update
[04:11] <farruinn> but the launcher in the menu should be 'gksudo synaptic' anyway
[04:12] <robodex> heh it should be
[04:12] <chtitux> hello, my new comunity ;)
[04:12] <robodex> but since I'm running xfce for some reason it just runs "synaptic" without gksudo
[04:13] <Sexytiger> yeah, it worked
[04:13] <Sexytiger> :)
[04:13] <Sexytiger> thanks
[04:13] <robodex> but that's fine because xfce is awesome
[04:13] <Sexytiger> why does the deb command not work in the console, if it works in the .list file?
[04:14] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: deb is not a command - it tells apt that the source is for deb packages
[04:15] <FEL> Hello, im new to linux and thought i'd install ubuntu today, i haven't got any CD and would like to install ubuntu via the net. i've read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/howto_view but to be honest, i didnt understand much of it - the new box hasnt got any os atm but i thought i'd just have to dl some disk and write it to a floppy and boot it. .. so far i've downloaded 
[04:15] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: if you have a single <filename>.deb package that you downloaded from elsewhere then you can use dpkg -i <debfile> to install it
[04:16] <Sexytiger> can I use dpkg -i http://... ?
[04:16] <morchuboo> FEL: doing a net install will download the packages that are on the CD anyway - you might as well download the ISO of the CD and burn it to a CD if you can - that way it available for future use
[04:16] <HavoK> is xorg in hoary?
[04:17] <jk> HavoK: yup
[04:17] <HavoK> jk: thanks
[04:18] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: no - dpkg is just for deb files that you have already. Apt is used with repositores to get the debs when you do apt-get (this is what syaptic does) and apt then passes control to dpkg once it (and its dependancies are downloaded) to dpkg to install them
[04:19] <FEL> morchuboo, im on a t1 connection and wouldnt mind installing it via the net ... when i read the info i posted earlier it seemed like it assumed i already had debian installed or something ...
[04:19] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: if you have used an RPM distro before dpkg works like doing rpm -i ie. it works on local packages (only much better :))
[04:20] <Sexytiger> yes, I used RH some time ago and rpm's were allways giving me problems
[04:20] <Sexytiger> this apt-get thing is wonderful
[04:21] <Ed_Gein> Anyone have any luck setting up oddcast-jack on Ubuntu
[04:21] <morchuboo> FEL: ahh well Ive never had nned of a net install so cant help im afraid - whats the link to the info you read - i could gve it a quick read...
[04:21] <karim> why does ubuntu try to use quik rather than yaboot as a boot block on powerpc ?
[04:21] <FEL> morchuboo - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/howto_view
[04:21] <morchuboo> Sexytiger: welcome to deb distros! no more dependancy hell!
[04:22] <Feiten> s
[04:22] <Sexytiger> this makes linux much more easy to work with
[04:24] <Vjaz> morchuboo: On RPM distros, the dependency hell is there because of installing external packages. On Debian, there are a lot more packages so you rarely have to do that, but if you do, you can get equal dependency hell just the same.
[04:28] <ivalladt> I just installed a new SCSI CD-ROM but it's not listed in totem's optical device preferences, any ideas?
[04:29] <karim> how can I use yaboot instead of quik for the bootblock configuration on power mac ?
[04:30] <chtitux> How can I change the root passwd after the installation ?
[04:31] <NermalLaptop> passwd
[04:32] <NermalLaptop> or sudo su
[04:32] <NermalLaptop> and then passwd
[04:32] <chtitux> ok
[04:34] <Vilijo> hello, how do I bunzip a bz2? If I use -dv as flags it just unbz it and leaves the .tar
[04:35] <NermalLaptop> tar xjvf
[04:36] <Vilijo> thanks
[04:40] <pepsi> An00b15
[04:42] <ArdieM> where is k3b ?
[04:42] <apokryphos> ArdieM: If you've downloaded it, you can access it by: Alt+F2 > k3b
[04:42] <ArdieM> lol it is not preinstalled
[04:42] <ArdieM> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[04:42] <ArdieM> hahahahaha ^^^thanks anyway
[04:43] <apokryphos> Obviously. Do you not have it?
[04:43] <apokryphos> The repos have it.
[04:43] <ArdieM> i hate kde
[04:43] <apokryphos> Dr_willis: Very very unlikely. They're based on entirely different things
[04:43] <pepsi> Dr_willis, what will people fight about then?
[04:43] <apokryphos> ArdieM: That's a shame; why?
[04:43] <ArdieM> its like a toy
[04:44] <ArdieM> gnome is solid simple and clean
[04:44] <apokryphos> That seems like a pretty ungrounded reason for hate; far too subjective.
[04:44] <Martok> Commandline is cleaner. ;] 
[04:44] <Dr_willis> apokryphos,  i dont mean at the libarary level.. i mean at the 'what the user sees level'
[04:44] <Dr_willis> once they get totally compatioable with each other  i'd call them 'merged' :P from what the no-mnothiong user would see.
[04:45] <ArdieM> haha yes cmdline is da best
[04:45] <apokryphos> Dr_willis: The look? Well, sure, right now you can make Gnome look exactly like kde and visa versa.
[04:45] <ArdieM> but only 1% auf all humans understand it
[04:45] <apokryphos> Gnome command line is better? What?
[04:45] <ArdieM> the other would think it is a game
[04:45] <Dr_willis> no i mean more the functionality.. like how drag/drop and so forth works. actually i think that may be working now.. :P
[04:45] <pepsi> 60% of all statistics are made up on the spot
[04:45] <Martok> I think only 1% of all humans understand GNU/Linux itself.
[04:46] <apokryphos> Dr_willis: Of course, even now, those things are customizable to look just like each other.
[04:46] <apokryphos> Martok: I think the percentage is far smaller.
[04:46] <Martok> 0.5%?
[04:46] <Martok> Heh.
[04:47] <apokryphos> far far lower ;), particularly considering that 0.5% of the population of the world probably have only heard of Linux a couple of times.
[04:47] <Martok> Whoa, you've blown my mind.
[04:47] <apokryphos> Super deep philosophy
[04:47] <ArdieM> 1% off al humans can think
[04:48] <neom> I think, even those to grasp it, don't necessarily understand it to it's full potential. I know I certainly don't.
[04:48] <ArdieM> so i think :) its 0.00000000000000001% who understand linux
[04:48] <apokryphos> ArdieM: Try telling that to them ;-)
[04:48] <ArdieM> how can you tell a no thinking person that he cant think
[04:48] <ArdieM> muhahahaha
[04:48] <apokryphos> If anyone quotes Descartes I'll kill them :P
[04:48] <Martok> Uh oh, Ubuntu is on the decline on Distrowatch.
[04:49] <Dr_willis> hmm. just realized taht none of the kde apps are in the gnome menus. Dont suppose anyone  has seen a decent fix/way to get them all in there?
[04:49] <apokryphos> It's not configurable properly at the moment, is it?
[04:50] <Dr_willis> or perhaops its because i dont ahve kde on this box yet. :P lets see
[04:50] <apokryphos> Same thing in kde; fixed in 3.4, I hear.
[04:50] <neom> We should fund an ad campaign. "Bill wants you, to run ubuntu!"
[04:51] <will> who uses a firewall here on Ubuntu?
[04:51] <apokryphos> will: Linux has a built in firewall
[04:51] <Vilijo> I try/tried to use it but it seems that my ubuntu fails to open it on startup =O
[04:51] <Dr_willis> hmm isent there a default set of firewall-like rules allready in place from the get go?
[04:52] <Vilijo> firestarter that is
[04:52] <apokryphos> oh
[04:52] <Vilijo> from firestarter options I have set it launch on the boot, and that doesn't work I added it to startup programs and it still doesn't launch
[04:53] <Vilijo> but I don't mind
[04:55] <raydogg> I installed fglrx-driver but i can't insert it with modprobe ? (says it can't find it )
[04:55] <apokryphos> Mepis more popular than Ubuntu? I find that interesting.
[04:58] <mdke> i have a problem with nautilus. When I resize the icons to 50/75%, the text under the icons is resized to the same proportion of my application font, which makes too small to read. Is there any way to avoid this, other than having my icon zoom at 100%?
[05:04] <goedecke> Hola
[05:09] <Quietti> hi.  according to the CD, 32mb should be the bare minimum to setup warty.  in practice, it keeps on faling at the step to unpack the lvm udebs.
[05:09] <Quietti> is this a known issue?  how do I work around it?
[05:10] <Lemonzest> does the amd64 version pickup all hardware on a DFI LanParty UT NF3 250Gb
[05:12] <tuxdisciple> Wow.. XDCMP built in is very nice... now my laptops can just use my workstation
[05:18] <abelli> mdke: maybe because your system is b0rk3d?
[05:18] <abelli> mdke: you're saying, that text gets resized as you change icon width.. mine really doesnt
[05:19] <mdke> abelli, hmm
[05:19] <mdke> abelli, what version of nautilus?
[05:20] <abelli> 2 9 91
[05:20] <viper12> morning all.
[05:20] <abelli> viper12: ciao
[05:20] <mdke> abelli, me too
[05:20] <mdke> abelli, bizarre
[05:20] <abelli> mmm no.. just b0rk3d:))
[05:21] <mdke> i installed yesterday evening
[05:21] <mdke> its totally fresh
[05:21] <viper12> has anyone had any luck with the web interface (localhost:631/admin) to setup a network printer?  I've been man paging, web surfing, and I've got to say the achilles heel to linux (imho) is how f'in hard it is to setup a simple home network printer. :(
[05:21] <viper12> or arcane and unclear it is.
[05:21] <abelli> viper12: what do you mean?
[05:22] <Lemonzest> does the amd64 version pickup all hardware on a DFI LanParty UT NF3 250Gb
[05:22] <abelli> mdke: can you tell me what kind of options have you got checked in nautilus options.. even if the most indicated in thi case is seb128
[05:22] <dud> what's a "DFI LanParty UT NF3 250Gb"??
[05:22] <mdke> abelli, indicated? lol
[05:22] <viper12> I've got a printer setup locally on one ubuntu machine. works perfectly.  Trying to print on my home network TO THAT PRINTER from another ubuntu machine is the problem.
[05:23] <seb128> mdke, abelli: that's a change in nautilus for 2.10
[05:23] <viper12> the webmin interface will NOT let me log in. (says admin is disabled for security reasons, and NO user/password combo works. (and yes I've got a root ID setup as well.)
[05:23] <abelli> seb128: thank you very much
[05:23] <abelli> seb128: you're the one
[05:24] <abelli> viper12: yeah.. let's see if we can resolve it
[05:24] <viper12> bless you....even if ya can't. lol
[05:24] <abelli> viper12: root is evil :)
[05:24] <viper12> abelli.....I don't use a root id.......its just setup in case its needed.
[05:24] <mdke> seb128, ty brilliant
[05:24] <mdke> seb128, is there anything i can do about it?
[05:25] <viper12> I'm not completely noob regarding this stuff.........but as far as printing......from another linux box....I am. lol. (if it were xp to ubuntu....no issues as samba would work.)
[05:25] <seb128> mdke: nop
[05:25] <abelli> viper12: i know
[05:25] <mdke> seb128, how come the change?
[05:25] <abelli> viper12: now i got your problem, and "probably" the solution...
[05:25] <viper12> nods.
[05:25] <seb128> mdke: I don't get the question
[05:25] <abelli> viper12: it's here http://www.ubuntuitalia.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=40 ... and its italian
[05:26] <abelli> viper12: :), so let me translate for you
[05:26] <seb128> mdke: the zoom is a real zoom, it changes both icons and text
[05:26] <viper12> thanks. lol
[05:26] <mdke> seb128, my problem is that when i resize the icons in nautilus, the text resizes too so that if I want 50% icons, the text is not readable
[05:26] <erlend_> has anybody else experienced that gnome stalls for like 5 minutes before it starts? right after i have logged in, it stops.
[05:26] <mdke> seb128, http://mdke.mine.nu/images/nautilus.png
[05:26] <seb128> mdke: I understand the issue, but the font is proportional to the icon
[05:27] <mdke> seb128, ok i c
[05:27] <mdke> seb128, is there any alternative way to resize the icons?
[05:27] <seb128> no
[05:27] <seb128> you can add a comment on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160080
[05:27] <mdke> that is a shame
[05:27] <mdke> ok
[05:27] <error_29> erland_ , I had the same problem on a previous warty install.  Didn't clock the delay though.  Got tired of looking at brown.
[05:28] <error_29> Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems to me that just moving the mouse nudged gnome into life
[05:28] <mdke> seb128, thanks for your help
[05:28] <seb128> np
[05:28] <Lemonzest> its a nForce based amd64 motherboard
[05:28] <Vilijo> how can I get a kernel-headers package that corresponds to my current kernel?
[05:29] <Lemonzest> i want to know if ubuntu is conpatable
[05:29] <dud> frikkin' wikked! I got vmware workstation beta 5 working natively on amd64 :D
[05:29] <dud> thats like the greatest news since ww2 ended
[05:31] <dud> Lemonzest, I'm running ubuntu 64bit on an nForce based motherboard
[05:32] <Lemonzest> i dont care about the sound as i have a sb live, but i wanna know if everything else works, sata, gigabit lan etc
[05:32] <dud> yeah, it works
[05:33] <acidwolf> and so the struggle of PPC and Hoary continue's
[05:33] <acidwolf> sigh
[05:35] <bedge> mine totem player say "Failed to open; reason unknown"it is whit al the exstenions, mov, mpg2 etc.
[05:35] <ud993> hi
[05:36] <AcidWolf> bedge you need to install the lib for mpeg
[05:36] <dud> I'm having some serious trouble deciding here... should I build a ubuntu based distrobution for this client? or go with something else?
[05:36] <bedge> Do you know how this is calt in synaptic
[05:36] <apokryphos> %tell bedge uburestricted
[05:36] <Pyre> bedge: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:36] <AcidWolf> bedge no let me look for it
[05:36] <AcidWolf> ill link you
[05:36] <AcidWolf> :)
[05:36] <dud> its supposed to be a linux alternative, for a smaller computer shop... something like that "configurator" that dell.com has
[05:36] <ud993> i am remastering dsl linux, which is based on debian/woody, now i wanted to get some pkgs from ubuntu testing repo, what should i add to sources.list?
[05:37] <mdke> how are initscripts controlled in ubuntu nowadays? do the rc-update and rc-status commands work?
[05:37] <arbeck> Is there a way I can have a mount mount with the owner as somone other than root?
[05:37] <apokryphos> ud993: my sources.list:
[05:37] <apokryphos> %tell ud993 ubusources
[05:37] <Pyre> ud993: http://youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list
[05:37] <AcidWolf> bedge http://search.belnet.be/packages/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/libm/libmpeg1/
[05:38] <AcidWolf> pick your Arch and then download
[05:38] <AcidWolf> to install it do this dpkg -a (name of file)
[05:38] <AcidWolf> dpkg -i sorry
[05:38] <AcidWolf> :)
[05:39] <mdke> how are initscripts controlled in ubuntu nowadays? seems that rc-update command doesn't exist and there is no obvious GUI to control services <- please help!!! thanks
[05:39] <jakejarvis|away> n00b needs help installing libtool! when i ./configure it, I get "error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" - i just installed gcc
[05:39] <bedge> Acidwolf, i wil keep you in touch. I wil try this stuff
[05:39] <AcidWolf> ok bedge
[05:40] <AcidWolf> :)
[05:40] <AcidWolf> jakejarvis apt-get install libtool
[05:40] <dud> hrm, mepis is looking very sharp and userfriendly as well really... but its kde
[05:40] <jakejarvis> ok, thanks for your help!
[05:41] <AcidWolf> and also apt-get istall gcc3 or 4
[05:41] <AcidWolf> :)
[05:41] <ud993> thx Pyre
[05:41] <dud> and its not apt heh
[05:41] <AcidWolf> ??
[05:41] <ud993> thx all cu lat0r
[05:42] <dud> l337sp34kzx0rz :o
[05:42] <mdke> please?
[05:42] <dud> kthxbye
[05:42] <AcidWolf> hehehe
[05:42] <jakejarvis> i just got the error "package libtool has no installation canidate"
[05:42] <AcidWolf> apt-get update
[05:42] <AcidWolf> jakejarvis
[05:43] <jakejarvis> thanks - i'm a huge n00b obviously hehe
[05:43] <AcidWolf> or better yet jakejarvis
[05:43] <AcidWolf> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/libtool
[05:43] <dud> moo
[05:43] <AcidWolf> there ya go
[05:43] <AcidWolf> :)
[05:44] <jakejarvis> i guess i'll try that then - i just got the same error after apt-get update
[05:44] <jakejarvis> thanks again :)
[05:44] <apokryphos> jakejarvis: Might be a good idea to go for the build-essential package, in the repos. Will have most of the stuff you'll need for compiling.
[05:45] <jakejarvis> is that on the ubuntu sitie?
[05:45] <jakejarvis> *site
[05:45] <AcidWolf> e-yup
[05:45] <AcidWolf> :)
[05:45] <tulip_> anyone can help me? gaim and amsn can-t connect to msn mesenger
[05:45] <jakejarvis> thanks :)
[05:45] <AcidWolf> jakejarvis,
[05:45] <robodex> arg, doesn't ANYONE have an idea about what my DVD drive problem is? It'll read CDs fine, but on DVDs I get 100% cpu usage and it won't read the DVD
[05:46] <AcidWolf> heres a newer version of gcc for you aswell
[05:46] <AcidWolf> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/gcc
[05:46] <abelli> mdke:  so sup?
[05:46] <apokryphos> jakejarvis: on the site? It's in the repositories. Just called "build-essential"
[05:46] <jakejarvis> cool, thanks
[05:46] <robodex> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16801
[05:46] <mdke> abelli, nothing
[05:47] <fred56> Hello all
[05:47] <abelli> viper12: the wiki is warming up for your meeting :))
[05:47] <nanomad> hi everyone. i need help....
[05:47] <goedecke_> Hi
[05:47] <nanomad> i've got a pctv rave card but tvtime cant tune any channel. Any ideas?
[05:48] <fred56> I need some help to disable xrand x.org extention
[05:48] <abelli> goedecke_: ciao
[05:48] <fred56> i'm using warty
[05:48] <viper12> again........abelli......thanks for that. :)
[05:48] <AcidWolf> brb
[05:48] <AcidWolf> rebooting
[05:49] <abelli> viper12: nothing
[05:49] <viper12> to me it was.  I've been hunting for that SIMPLE explanation for two days with no clear howto or manpage or forum post.
[05:49] <abelli> viper12: this is the first time i touch cups config files.. it seems they like me:)
[05:50] <viper12> Well, I knew it had to be SOMETHING like that......heck I got NFS up and running pefectly, and to be stumped over this........felt like an old noob again. heehee
[05:50] <abelli> viper12: :)
[05:51] <bedge> acidwolf, i use the folowing command "dpkg -a libmpeg1_1.3.1-2.1_1386.deb" them the terminal says somthing lik (i have the dutch version so i try to translate it a bit) "I have a action option needed"
[05:51] <fred56> Could anybody tell me how to disable randr extention ? I tried to put "Section "Extensions"
[05:51] <fred56>         Option "Randr" "Disable"
[05:51] <fred56> EndSection
[05:51] <fred56> " in xorg.conf but it does not work
[05:51] <Vilijo> how can I get a kernel-headers package that corresponds to my current kernel? my current kernel is 2.6.10-3-k7 or so that I have got with apt-get
[05:51] <viper12> just verified a print job from open office, btw.......and the output is exactly as needed.
[05:53] <viper12> afk brb
[05:54] <JDahl> Vilijo, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.10
[05:55] <Vilijo> ok JDahl thanks
[05:56] <Vilijo> there is only kernel-headers-2.6.8-1 2.6.8-5
[05:56] <Vilijo> and  kernel-headers-2.4.27-speakup 2.4.27-1
[05:57] <Vilijo> am I lacking some repos maybe?
[05:57] <abelli> Vilijo: what are you looking for if i can?
[05:58] <nanomad> i've got a pctv rave card but tvtime cant tune any channel. Any ideas?
[05:58] <abelli> anybody from the usa here?
[05:58] <jabbath_> hi! I've got a sound problem.. (which means "no sound anymore") .. I compiled a new kernel and now it seems, sound is gone :)
[05:58] <jabbath_> I compiled the driver for my soundcard (ALSA).. alsamixer and the gnome mixer applet (etc.) are able to change the sound volume; even "basic background noise" gets louder/more quiet.. but that's it.. any suggestions?
[05:58] <Vilijo> abelli ,looking for kernel-headers-2.6.10
[05:58] <JDahl> abelli, I live in CA - why?
[05:58] <abelli> JDahl: do you play foosball?
[05:59] <JDahl> abelli, no
[05:59] <abelli> Vilijo: linux-headers-2.6.10-whatyouwant
[05:59] <abelli> JDahl: do you know rules?
[06:00] <JDahl> abelli, no
[06:00] <AcidWolf> im gona have to do a full reinstall
[06:00] <AcidWolf> :(
[06:00] <abelli> AcidWolf: why?
[06:00] <AcidWolf> eeeeep !!!!
[06:00] <AcidWolf> cause
[06:00] <viper12> abelli.....I'm in Colorado fyi
[06:00] <AcidWolf> i went up to hoary
[06:00] <abelli> AcidWolf: you should reboot linux :)
[06:00] <AcidWolf> and now everything has gone totally moggy
[06:00] <AcidWolf> i did reboot linux
[06:00] <abelli> viper12: "do you" foosball?
[06:00] <abelli> AcidWolf: arrgggh...
[06:01] <AcidWolf> some of the menu's arent working
[06:01] <abelli> AcidWolf: what do you mean with moggy? im a stupid italian :)
[06:01] <viper12> I used to once in awhile when I was younger.
[06:01] <AcidWolf> moggy meaning STUFFED UP BROKEN
[06:01] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:01] <viper12> Acid which menus aren't working?
[06:01] <abelli> viper12: is it true that you can countinously spin?
[06:01] <AcidWolf> system menu in gnome
[06:01] <abelli> Vilijo: is it working?
[06:02] <viper12> I've seen it done...but I was never 'that' good. lol
[06:02] <abelli> AcidWolf: have you upgraded g-s-t?
[06:02] <AcidWolf> i cant even open root terminal
[06:02] <AcidWolf> no
[06:02] <viper12> I'm not sure in tournaments if that's legal though abelli
[06:02] <AcidWolf> i did apt-get distro upgarde
[06:02] <AcidWolf> uprade*
[06:02] <AcidWolf> third time lucky
[06:02] <AcidWolf> upgrade*
[06:02] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:02] <abelli> AcidWolf: so please just issue another "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[06:02] <AcidWolf> i see
[06:02] <AcidWolf> hmmmm
[06:02] <Vilijo> abelli what working?
[06:02] <viper12> acid....have you tried to ctrl-alt-f1,f2 and such?  if so you could probably apt-get gnome again.
[06:02] <abelli> AcidWolf: 3 times
[06:03] <viper12> (rather than complete reinstall.)
[06:03] <abelli> viper12: linux-headers
[06:03] <apokryphos> AcidWolf: erm, the command is apt-get dist-upgrade. You did that, right?
[06:03] <AcidWolf> no i meant the spelling of upgrade abelli
[06:03] <apokryphos> and you did change all the sources appropriately?
[06:03] <AcidWolf> yes i did that apokryphos
[06:03] <abelli> AcidWolf: does gnome works?
[06:03] <SuperL4g> jk: you still around?
[06:03] <AcidWolf> gnome works but some of the menus i cant use
[06:04] <abelli> AcidWolf: how many update&&dist-upgrade did you issue today?
[06:04] <AcidWolf> well the menus work but some of the apps wont load
[06:04] <AcidWolf> none
[06:04] <AcidWolf> i did the upgrade yesterday
[06:04] <abelli> AcidWolf: so go for it
[06:04] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[06:04] <AcidWolf> and have spent the last 24 hours trying to regain sound and video
[06:04] <abelli> remember to update before upgrade
[06:04] <AcidWolf> :(
[06:04] <abelli> AcidWolf: this is the nice thing with development branch.. cmon
[06:04] <abelli> HaRDaWaY: ciao
[06:05] <AcidWolf> yes abelli
[06:05] <AcidWolf> :p
[06:05] <viper12> :D
[06:05] <abelli> AcidWolf: your stronger than hoary.. break it
[06:05] <AcidWolf> i know
[06:05] <AcidWolf> :p
[06:05] <abelli> AcidWolf: make it cry
[06:05] <AcidWolf> ok
[06:05] <AcidWolf> options
[06:05] <AcidWolf> i need options
[06:05] <viper12> that's easy abelli.....just click around on the gnome cups manager for more than 2 minutes. hee hee
[06:05] <AcidWolf> someone quick gimme something to try
[06:05] <AcidWolf> :p
[06:05] <abelli> AcidWolf: what?
[06:05] <AcidWolf> anything
[06:06] <robodex> AcidWolf: sudo rm -rf /
[06:06] <abelli> AcidWolf: update && dist-upgrade NOW... GO FOR IT
[06:06] <abelli> :))
[06:06] <abelli> robodex: behave :)
[06:06] <robodex> ;)
[06:06] <robodex> hehe
[06:06] <viper12> lmao
[06:06] <abelli> Vilijo: did you get those headers?
[06:06] <AcidWolf> evil
[06:06] <AcidWolf> lol
[06:06] <abelli> Vilijo: kernel in ubuntu are named differently from debian
[06:06] <abelli> *S
[06:07] <AcidWolf> g-s-t
[06:07] <AcidWolf> hmmmm
[06:07] <abelli> AcidWolf: those will come after
[06:07] <abelli> now upgrade this system..
[06:08] <AcidWolf> ok
[06:08] <abelli> mamoo: ciao
[06:08] <AcidWolf> just standard upgrade
[06:08] <abelli> AcidWolf: wait
[06:08] <AcidWolf> abelli, ok
[06:08] <abelli> AcidWolf: "sudo aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade"
[06:08] <AcidWolf> abelli, ok
[06:08] <kbrooks> I want to enable mod_python
[06:09] <Vilijo> abelli I got them from a website now
[06:09] <kbrooks> http://kyleb.ath.cx/programs/hi.py doesn't work.
[06:09] <abelli> Vilijo: no no..
[06:09] <kbrooks> it uses mod_python
[06:10] <abelli> Vilijo: use ubuntus
[06:10] <abelli> Vilijo: as i said ubuntu ones are different from common debian kernels..
[06:10] <Vilijo> abelli I got them here http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/download.pl
[06:10] <abelli> AcidWolf: "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[06:10] <acolyte> what to do when on bootup it says: inird.img error 15 file not found? :o
[06:10] <abelli> AcidWolf: sorry i forgot a sudo
[06:10] <AcidWolf> already been done abelli
[06:10] <acolyte> initrd.img*
[06:10] <AcidWolf> :p
[06:10] <abelli> AcidWolf: :)
[06:11] <AcidWolf> no sudo needed im already logged in as root
[06:11] <AcidWolf> :
[06:11] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:11] <abelli> acolyte: this is quite bad...
[06:11] <abelli> acolyte: what did you do?
[06:11] <abelli> acolyte: i mean before getting that message?
[06:12] <Echylo> hello hello
[06:12] <acolyte> abelli: nothing special... I did some work with dpkg and apt-get upgraded
[06:12] <Yomic> Yo.
[06:12] <kbrooks> what work?
[06:12] <Echylo> anyone knows a channel where they have experience with database?
[06:12] <abelli> acolyte: something really bad must have  happened
[06:12] <abelli> Echylo: #mysql :)?
[06:13] <abelli> Echylo: you can ask in here
[06:13] <Echylo> no no
[06:13] <Echylo> microsoft brr :p works database file
[06:13] <abelli> acolyte: i mean was this the first reboot?
[06:13] <Vilijo> abelli how should I install this linux-kernel package? And should I get some other files aswell ?  I am trying to make my kernel sources to match my current kernel
[06:13] <Echylo> I need to print adresses to envelops
[06:13] <acolyte> kbrooks: I --purged a package called printpro, something like cups but then worse
[06:13] <Echylo> I can get information from *.wdb & *.txt files
[06:13] <Echylo> but I need to print them to envelopes
[06:14] <abelli> Vilijo: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-whatyouwant ?!?
[06:14] <kbrooks> acolyte, 'worse'?
[06:14] <Vilijo> abelli there is not the package I want... so I had to download .deb file, but I am a newbie with these.. should I execute that deb
[06:15] <acolyte> kbrooks: and I purged and installed the libcupsys2 package, because those 2 were in conflict, but that was all solved yesterday. 'bronson' knows all about it he helped me out
[06:16] <abelli> acolyte: was this the first reboot?
[06:16] <abelli> acolyte: initrd.img is something about grub and the kernel..
[06:17] <acolyte> abelli: I know, and yes it showed up this morning. When I got to bed last night everything was normal and I could even re-login that same night but this morning when I bootup all went wrong
[06:18] <kbrooks> abelli, no, its the kernel not grub
[06:18] <raydogg``> how far is array 5 away from a final version ?
[06:18] <abelli> kbrooks: yes.. i know..
[06:18] <kbrooks> abelli, 'initial ram disk'
[06:18] <acolyte> abelli: there are also 2 new entries that I didn't see before, namely a dpkg-temp and dpkg-temp (recovery mode) option in GRUB. They too result in file not found errors
[06:18] <abelli> raydogg``: its usable
[06:19] <abelli> acolyte: ok this is not nice
[06:19] <Vilijo> how to execute a .deb file ? how to install it ?
[06:19] <abelli> but can be recovered
[06:19] <abelli> Vilijo: dpkg -it
[06:19] <abelli> Vilijo: dpkg -it packagename
[06:19] <acolyte> abelli: good :). Tell me :)
[06:19] <abelli> Vilijo: "sudo dpkg -it packagename" ... sorry everybody
[06:19] <Vilijo> ok thanks
[06:19] <kbrooks> apkg -i
[06:19] <Vilijo> :)
[06:20] <kbrooks> dpkg*
[06:20] <abelli> acolyte: ok, now you need a live cd
[06:20] <Vilijo> -t for test?
[06:20] <abelli> Vilijo: no idea
[06:20] <Vilijo> oki
[06:20] <abelli> Vilijo: "man dpkg" will show you the way
[06:20] <acolyte> abelli: do I have one? ghehe lol no.. Need to dl one
[06:20] <abelli> acolyte: ok
[06:21] <abelli> do you know how to boot from a live cd using an hdd partition as root?
[06:21] <abelli> acolyte: AA
[06:22] <acolyte> abelli: AA? no, I don't
[06:22] <abelli> acolyte: nice
[06:22] <abelli> ok... let me look for an howto
[06:23] <acolyte> abelli: but you've got plenty of time explaining me, cause it's gonna take a while dling the livecd (@171kb/s)
[06:23] <acolyte> ghehehe :+
[06:23] <bebek> hello
[06:24] <abelli> 171kbs?!
[06:24] <bebek> i have a strange problem here.. gstreamer detects the sound card, but gnome sound applet doesn't.. the problem is that the volume is too low.. i don't know what to do now...
[06:24] <bebek> anyone have any suggestion?
[06:24] <abelli> acolyte: that's completely unfair.. here its at most 80kb
[06:24] <abelli> bebek: what player are you using?
[06:25] <bebek> abelli: what did you mean by player? as in xine? i used xine. increasing the volume there doesn't have any effect.
[06:25] <acolyte> abelli: ah well, ain't satisfied yet, want to have 300kb/s+ which is easy to accomplish here :)
[06:25] <Vilijo> seriously, which one do I have if I have amd athlon processor: amd64,i386,ia64 or powerpc? I have amd athlon 2800+ processor
[06:26] <bebek> by the way, i have to load the module opl3sa2 to enable my sound card.. opl3sa2 is in oss section of the /lib/modules/kernel/sound  directory
[06:27] <acolyte> vilijo: i386 would be enough :)
[06:27] <abelli> bebek what driver is xine using?
[06:27] <Vilijo> acolyte I do'nt understand... hmm I had to install new kernel because I had i386 module... I had to install k7 for my amd athlon...  but now you say i386
[06:28] <Vilijo> my kernel is k7
[06:28] <viper12> if you have athlon2800, you need (best).........686
[06:28] <updala> hi
[06:28] <acolyte> vilijo: does Ubuntu have a k7 kernel then?
[06:29] <Vilijo> yea it has
[06:29] <viper12> you don't need the amd kernels unless you're running the opteron 64 bit processor
[06:29] <updala> me again
[06:29] <Vilijo> well, I think I am not... or how many bits does 2800+ have
[06:29] <Feiten> 32 i think.
[06:29] <updala> i want to get Xorg with apg-get ,, what is its name? and how should i install it?
[06:30] <viper12> 32 bits vil
[06:30] <updala> i tried apt-get install xdmx but it doesnt work..
[06:30] <robodex> updala: the only way to get xorg is to upgrade to hoary
[06:30] <Vilijo> and which one is closest to 686 of these: i386,powerpc,ia64,amd64 ?
[06:30] <bebek> abelli: umm. how do i know that?
[06:30] <abelli> wait .. you are too fast for me
[06:30] <updala> robodex: you mean apt-get dist-upgrade right?
[06:30] <Vilijo> wonder if there is a website to explain all those terms
[06:30] <robodex> updala: yeah
[06:31] <abelli> Vilijo: there is a 686 kernel
[06:31] <abelli> Vilijo: ahh you mean headers?
[06:31] <Vilijo> yes....
[06:31] <abelli> bebek: in options
[06:31] <viper12> Vil, the amd processors that aren't the newest 'opteron' class are x86 compatible.  They have to be in order to run x86 architecture software...thus 686 will work fine with you 2800 processor.
[06:31] <acolyte> abelli: found anything yet?
[06:32] <abelli> acolyte: just a second
[06:32] <updala> robodex: but i dont use ubuntu, i wanted to get some ubuntu pkgs only from damnsmalllinux which is also based on debian..
[06:32] <Vilijo> my kernel is k7 and now I need 2.6.10.3 kernel header from here: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/linux-headers-2.6.10-3 but there isn't k7
[06:32] <updala> robodex: how can i upgrade then?
[06:32] <bebek> abelli: there's no option for selecting the driver in my xine....
[06:32] <Vilijo> so do I take i386 ?
[06:32] <robodex> updala: if you change the warty to hoary in the sources you should be able to get xorg
[06:32] <viper12> take the i686 version Vil
[06:32] <abelli> Vilijo: there are linux-headers for 686
[06:32] <acolyte> abelli: np
[06:32] <abelli> robodex: he isnt using warty
[06:32] <Vilijo> viper, I do'nt see i686 being available
[06:33] <abelli> bebek: there is
[06:33] <abelli> bebek: but i need time to find it
[06:33] <viper12> look at this page:   http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-5/
[06:33] <updala> robodex: i have alreadz changed my sources.list to hoary
[06:33] <abelli> Vilijo: im not an alcohol addicted    linux-headers-2.6.10-4-686
[06:33] <robodex> hmm, did you try xserver-xorg?
[06:34] <abelli>  linux-headers-2.6.10-4-686                               - Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV
[06:34] <viper12> Vilijo, the iso's are listed 386 for compatibility.  you apt-get or synaptic to the 686.
[06:34] <updala> robodex: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[06:34] <StoffBox-Steve> updala, apt-cache search xorg  , find somethink ?
[06:34] <abelli> bebek: are you using hoary
[06:34] <bebek> abelli: yes
[06:35] <robodex> well I'm currently running warty so I can't help you too much
[06:35] <robodex> afaik it's xserver-xorg
[06:35] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: yes it finds xfree86-common
[06:35] <abelli> bebek: try killall esd
[06:35] <Vilijo> phhfff.. I installed i386 hoary, upgraded my kernel to k7 now . Can I get kernel headers for this ?
[06:36] <bebek> umm:  esd: no process killed
[06:36] <abelli> bebek: right
[06:36] <adham> hi, i have a burning problem.................
[06:36] <abelli> bebek: it's ok
[06:36] <bedge> i hope your house doesn burn ;-)
[06:36] <adham> nautillus-cd-burner fails to burn (HOARY)
[06:36] <StoffBox-Steve> updala, you postet >deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse<  have > main restricted  , too ?
[06:36] <abelli> bebek: so what happens if you right-click on the volume applet?
[06:36] <Vilijo> and abelli, those 686 headers you listed doesn't match, does it matter? you say 2.6.10-4 and I have -3
[06:36] <bedge> than you are on the wrong place with the "burning problem"
[06:37] <StoffBox-Steve> must find more than that i think updala
[06:37] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: no i dont so i have to add main + restricted too?
[06:37] <updala> a new line?
[06:37] <bebek> abelli: i can't even load it. it says "no mixer" or something like that
[06:37] <abelli> so you need an oss mixer
[06:38] <abelli> bedge: why?
[06:38] <bebek> abelli:yes
[06:38] <bebek> abelli: i don't know any oss mixer..
[06:38] <StoffBox-Steve> maybe a good way .. im using warty so i dont no where Xorg is in, but search the whole list is a good way :) try it
[06:38] <StoffBox-Steve> updala,
[06:38] <abelli> ok.. im just writing random words to create entropia: thinking
[06:38] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted          right?
[06:39] <robodex> aaaaa!
[06:39] <updala> he?
[06:39] <bebek> any oss mixer out there?
[06:39] <Pyre> ACTION coughs
[06:40] <acolyte> abelli: gonna be afk for a while
[06:40] <abelli> acolyte:
[06:40] <abelli> ok
[06:40] <abelli> bebek: gstreamer0.8-oss
[06:40] <bebek> oh....
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[06:41] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: now apt-cache search xorg finds more..
[06:41] <acolyte> abelli: 32% by now, 40 min remaining, so :)
[06:42] <updala> how can i install all Xorg related pkgs?
[06:42] <MindZEye> Does anyone know of a good resource for building .deb files from source?
[06:42] <apokryphos> updala: are you on hoary?
[06:42] <ntoll> my sound just stopped working
[06:42] <abelli> updala: what distro?
[06:42] <abelli> ntoll: well work it out
[06:42] <updala> damn small linux remaster
[06:42] <ntoll> Worked fine yesterday, but today nothinng
[06:43] <abelli> MindZEye: the apt manual from debian.org
[06:43] <StoffBox-Steve> yes, i updatet mylist too :) installing the xorg-common  updala
[06:43] <updala> its from damnsmalllinux.org with some changes
[06:43] <abelli> updala: i dont think its safe to uprade to hoary
[06:43] <fr500> updala: try apt-get install xorg*
[06:43] <MindZEye> Cheers.
[06:43] <updala> aha
[06:43] <abelli> updala: but let's try it.
[06:43] <ntoll> abelli ,yeah thanks for your help. Obvious with a genius like you who is always welcome to offer advice like that I'll have no problem
[06:43] <ironwolf> abelli: define safe?
[06:44] <abelli> ntoll: ohhh.. why being sarcastic
[06:44] <abelli> ironwolf:
[06:44] <abelli> ironwolf: that your next step shouldnt be suicide
[06:44] <updala> ohh no xorg wants more then 200 mB..
[06:44] <ntoll> o.k. I get th emessage that /dev/dsp doesn't exist. Nevertheless its certainly there... Any ideas? A trawl of google doesn't help
[06:44] <ironwolf> abelli: I'm running hoary on multiple systems, even did an update today, things seem safe and stable this morn.
[06:44] <CountDown> When I put a CD in my CD drive, I can access it through XMMS, but I can't access it through the file system... /cdrom is empty.  Any idea why this is so?
[06:44] <abelli> updala: you cant install only hoary
[06:45] <StoffBox-Steve> xorg need its ohn libs updala, thats why
[06:45] <StoffBox-Steve> own
[06:45] <abelli> ironwolf: yes but you cant upgrade from damnsmall to hoary without pain..
[06:45] <raydogg``> how come the ubuntu live cd correctly identfies my card, but the array-5 doesn't >?
[06:45] <abelli> ironwolf: but ill be happy to try it
[06:45] <raydogg``> card = video card
[06:45] <StoffBox-Steve> do you try install xorg* updala?
[06:45] <ironwolf> abelli: damnsmall?
[06:45] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: yes
[06:45] <abelli> ironwolf: updala is using it
[06:45] <StoffBox-Steve> wait updala
[06:46] <ntoll> abelli, if you think I'm asking here and assuming I have not tried to work it out myself then that shows you don't seem to have a high opinion of the users of this chan
[06:46] <StoffBox-Steve> updala, you have an ATI card ?
[06:46] <abelli> ntoll: im just optimistic
[06:46] <abelli> :))
[06:46] <ironwolf> ntoll: users come in all shapes and sizes. :)
[06:46] <ntoll> abelli, I have tried to, I just need to pick ppls brains...
[06:46] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: yes.. i want also that opengl thing..
[06:46] <ntoll> quite
[06:46] <StoffBox-Steve> ok
[06:46] <abelli> ntoll: i wont judge you for nothing in this world... sorry if it seemed so
[06:47] <StoffBox-Steve> just wait a min
[06:47] <ntoll> abelli, np, apologies for the sarcasm
[06:47] <abelli> ntoll: :)
[06:47] <ntoll> I just don't see whats happened. It can't be the hw as knoppix ad windows both work
[06:47] <ntoll> I haven't installed anything
[06:47] <error_29> hello all.  Can somebody help me -- How can I get NickServ to stop nagging me for my identity and password everthing time I log on?
[06:47] <ntoll> or apt-got it
[06:48] <abelli> ntoll: can you tell me what modules knoppix load?
[06:48] <ntoll> alsa
[06:48] <ntoll> my modules load too
[06:48] <updala> whats xorg-dbg?, its 60 mb big
[06:48] <abelli> ntoll: ok
[06:49] <StoffBox-Steve> updala, i think this one get all you nett > sudo -s apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx xorg-common xserver-org xserver-org-dbg fglrx-kernel-source
[06:49] <horay_tester> Hi allllllllllll
[06:49] <StoffBox-Steve> nett = need
[06:49] <ntoll> which is the funny thing, everything seems to load ok, but no sound
[06:49] <horay_tester> I am back.
[06:49] <bebek> does anyone know if i can suspend my laptop in ubuntu?
[06:49] <horay_tester> You can.
[06:49] <horay_tester> but u need to unload some modules first,
[06:49] <bebek> which one?
[06:49] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: thx..
[06:50] <horay_tester> depends on ur hardware, do u use hoary?
[06:50] <bebek> yup
[06:50] <StoffBox-Steve> NTN updala, :)
[06:50] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: do i have to recompile my kernel so fglrx worx?
[06:50] <CountDown> error_29: You should register a nick.
[06:50] <horay_tester> me too. I could not yet recover completely from hibernation (sleep to ram does not work !)
[06:51] <fr500> sleep to ram or standby works in warty with the wiki instructions for me
[06:51] <abelli> ntoll.. no dsp
[06:51] <abelli> ok
[06:51] <StoffBox-Steve> as i know, normly not  but you can there for  is the knerel-source, updala
[06:51] <horay_tester> whfr500 at laptop do u have
[06:51] <ntoll> no dsp
[06:51] <CountDown> updala: Sorry, on what machine are you running?
[06:51] <fr500> i have a toshiba a20
[06:51] <horay_tester> fr500 Which laptop u have?
[06:51] <fr500> didnt work out of the box
[06:52] <updala> CountDown: why do you ask? its a normal p3 with an ati-card
[06:52] <ntoll> I can see /dev/dsp if I look  but if I try esd -d /dev/dsp I get /dev/dsp: No such device
[06:52] <horay_tester> does it use apm ? excuse me but I dont know really what the model means, is it new?
[06:52] <horay_tester> does it use acpi?
[06:52] <statico> any powerbook users here?
[06:52] <bebek> i don't know what's acpi.. can anyone share a light?
[06:53] <AcidWolf> statico im a powerbook user
[06:53] <CountDown> updala: I just joined... I don't think you need to recompile the kernel to get fglrx going, but there are problems with sleep on laptops.
[06:53] <statico> AcidWolf: have you remapped your command key somehow?
[06:53] <updala> StoffBox-Steve: if i apt-get my kernel (i have a mini 2.4.**), do you think something would break?
[06:53] <AcidWolf> statico no i havent
[06:53] <fr500> horay_tester, it uses acpi
[06:53] <fr500> it's not that new
[06:53] <CountDown> updala: Ah, didn't realize you had an older kernel.
[06:53] <horay_tester> check out this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM/view?searchterm=suspend%20hoary for suspend instructions
[06:54] <updala> CountDown: i m building a remaster of dsl.. so it should also work on laptops (on newer one)..
[06:54] <horay_tester> I dont care much about suspend yet, sinc ubuntu boots much faster than suse did, and I like a freash start each time.
[06:55] <horay_tester> My first priority is to understand why CD BURNING DOES NOT WORK! sorry for shouting but it iggiiis me
[06:55] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, hard to say updala i never work with xorg jet, xfree mit nvidia driver are good for me :)
[06:55] <StoffBox-Steve> mit / with
[06:55] <horay_tester> Alles Gute Stoff
[06:55] <CountDown> updala: Unfortunately, ATI's fglrx driver doesn't play well with sleep or suspend.  This is a known problem that has no solution except for waiting for ATI to get their act together, either by open sourcing their drivers or fixing them.
[06:56] <horay_tester> I gathe no one here have trouble burning cd's......
[06:56] <neighborlee> is it possible to format a thumb drive in linux as i'm not finding options for it under right click the desktop icon for it ...?
[06:56] <CountDown> How does one copy .WAV files from a CD to the harddrive?
[06:56] <horay_tester> Where should I cry for help?
[06:56] <StoffBox-Steve> ATI an open there source CountDown? ... windwos will be free software befor ... *lol*
[06:57] <horay_tester> use cd ripper CountDown
[06:57] <CountDown> StoffBox-Steve: That's a fact.
[06:57] <horay_tester> search for which application has the keywork rip in synaptic
[06:57] <Nonphasis> sound juicer?
[06:57] <Nonphasis> is it in warty?
[06:58] <CountDown> horay_tester: Thanks.  That seems to work.  :)
[06:58] <horay_tester> should be
[06:58] <error_29> Thanks CountDown , actually I did already register the nick.  That's why I don't understand why I have to keep id'ng myself
[06:58] <CountDown> error_29: Ah, you have to identify yourself to the nickserv.  You can do this with
[06:59] <StoffBox-Steve> i`m away, dinner is ready be back about 30 - 60 min.
[06:59] <fizgig10> Is this where we can talk about hoary?
[06:59] <ironwolf> talk away fizgig10. :)
[06:59] <CountDown> error_29:  /msg nickserv identify <password>
[06:59] <gnii> could someone recommend a high spec laptop that is most compatible with ubuntu. I'm after something semi-portable but not a desktop replacement
[06:59] <Xen0n> Hello room
[06:59] <fizgig10> :)  Well, I've got a problem
[06:59] <CountDown> gnii: What do you want to use the laptop for?
[06:59] <verbalshadow> hi
[06:59] <ironwolf> fizgig10: ASK your question about your problem.
[07:00] <viper12> gnli:  I'm using a compaq x1000 series machine (centrino/wifi/etc.) and ubuntu installed beautifully on it.
[07:00] <fizgig10> My network goes down in about 3 minutes after I start it up
[07:00] <fizgig10> I use ndiswrapper
[07:00] <error_29> Yes, thank you CountDown , that I know.  That's the point.  Everytime I open xchat I have to do that?  Is there no way for NickServ to remember for at least a reasonable amount of time?
[07:00] <Xen0n> I just unstalled Ubuntu, and I am fairly new to linux...
[07:00] <gnii> thanks viper
[07:00] <ironwolf> welcome Xen0n
[07:00] <Xen0n> If I do anything...Ubuntu locks up
[07:00] <Xen0n> Thank you, Ironwold
[07:00] <viper12> np gnli
[07:00] <Xen0n> wolf*
[07:00] <fizgig10> my laptop shutdown by itself last night.  I turned it back on this morning and had a problem associated with the .ICE(something) file
[07:00] <CountDown> error_29: Oh, I don't know.  I just figured that out yesterday, so let me know if you come up with anything.  :)
[07:00] <Nonphasis> error_29, Server/Edit this menu in xchat
[07:00] <fizgig10> I renamed that file and I was then able to log in
[07:01] <Xen0n> Is there some way I can run a debug?
[07:01] <Xen0n> Or some kinda of update?
[07:01] <fizgig10> Now I have this new network problem
[07:01] <gnii> countdown: it's will mostly run openoffice and vmware as it's for our client services director. But it will also be used for devel work (postgres, python, twisted)
[07:01] <ironwolf> fizgig: no clue.... perhaps a wizard is in.
[07:01] <error_29> Thanks Nonphasis and CountDown.  I'll try
[07:01] <Xen0n> Also... It seems asif the USB Daemon keeps crashing...
[07:02] <gnii> countdown: so lots of ram, quite powerful, not bothered about games, big disk
[07:02] <fr500> horay_tester, doesnt work? i can burn with nautilus or gnomebaker just fine
[07:02] <viper12> gnli, are you locked into any hardware vendor for that laptop?  (some companies are.)
[07:02] <gnii> no it's my company so we can buy anything
[07:02] <tolstoy_> when you put scripts in /etc/cron.hourly, where does their output go?  A script I put in there doesn't seem to have run at all.
[07:02] <gnii> well, within reason :-)
[07:03] <viper12> the hp/compaq's and ibm thinkpads are really pretty compatible. (IBM's better be....they're dumping 100mil into opensource this year. :D  )
[07:03] <JDahl> Xen0n, I am not sure how helpful it would be to you, but normally you would run "strace <command|daemon>" to figure out what's wrong
[07:03] <viper12> Haven't heard to many complaints about newer dell's either.
[07:03] <gnii> My thoughts were ibm I must admit
[07:03] <gnii> but they have so many varieties and it's not clear why :-)
[07:03] <Xen0n> Also...
[07:03] <viper12> those thinkpads are sweet.  I love this compaq widescreen though.  best lcd of the bunch, imho. 1280x800
[07:03] <horay_tester> fr500 can u burn more than 550 MB files
[07:04] <fr500> horay_tester, have u tried gnome baker?
[07:04] <fr500> i burned playboy mansion iso from linux
[07:04] <fr500> so i guess it's fine
[07:04] <Xen0n> Ummm
[07:05] <Xen0n> bad?
[07:05] <gnii> I've currently got it running on a little sony vaia (C1) which is cool but tiny and slow
[07:05] <updala> whats the difference between xserver-xorg and xserver-org-dbg ??
[07:05] <Xen0n> "etc/apt/source.list" is empty...
[07:05] <Xen0n> There is nothing that file...
[07:05] <Xen0n> Is that bad?
[07:05] <viper12> those are cute, but 'toys' imho.  The Viao machines are really 'imac-cool/chic' though.
[07:05] <fr500> the only proble i've found with gnomebaker is vbr mp3  burning to audio cds
[07:06] <Zugot> ubuntu on my laptop is killing me
[07:06] <gnii> yeah.. it's nice for a 'last resort' laptop that you can take anywhere, especially with the 12 hour battery
[07:06] <viper12> lol.
[07:06] <viper12> what's wrong Zugot?
[07:06] <gnii> but I can't do any serious devel on it.
[07:06] <Zugot> viper12, nic drivers suck
[07:06] <horay_tester> Strnge, I cannot burn, I have so many coasters now,.... its annoying
[07:06] <viper12> what nic Zug?
[07:07] <Zugot> and the amd64 ubuntu does weird things to my laptop
[07:07] <fr500> horay_tester, u cannot burn at all?
[07:07] <Zugot> viper12, broadcom 802.11g internal thing
[07:07] <viper12> for dev though gnli.........go with a mid-range thinkpad(price-wise).
[07:07] <JDahl> Xen0n, that's very bad... I doubt your installation is complete
[07:07] <Zugot> so i maxed the ram in my laptop and now i run windows in a vmware session
[07:07] <viper12> laptop brand zud?
[07:07] <viper12> laptop brand zug?
[07:07] <Zugot> not too bad... since i have to run vmware anyways
[07:07] <Zugot> compaq
[07:07] <Zugot> presario
[07:08] <Zugot> its not a bad laptop
[07:08] <fr500> why do u have to run vmware?
[07:08] <viper12> its not centrino though is it?
[07:08] <Zugot> but i think i'm selling this and getting an apple powerbook
[07:08] <Zugot> fr500, because i do alot of testing with different linux environments
[07:08] <CountDown> horay_tester: I tried using Sound Juicer, but on startup I get "The currently selected audio profile is not available on your installation."  Then, when I try to extract, the application quits.
[07:09] <Zugot> viper12, hell no... its an amd 64 3200
[07:09] <Zugot> +
[07:09] <viper12> saw some 'stuff' in the not perfect category regarding the broadcom wifi units.  My presario x1000 is using the intel LAN2110 3B wifi and have no issues.
[07:09] <viper12> er 2100 3b
[07:09] <Zugot> i just run linux in a vm... and then using cywin as my x server
[07:09] <Zugot> it aint too bad at all
[07:10] <viper12> thats cool...vmware right?  what version?
[07:10] <Zugot> 4.5
[07:10] <viper12> buddy of mine's company is moving their data center over to vmware.....gonna save them a zillion in 'iron' after the move.
[07:11] <Zugot> we are moving lots of servers to vmware esx
[07:11] <Nonphasis> Xen is going to be interesting too
[07:11] <Zugot> and vmware full screen with ubuntu... you can't even tell its a vm
[07:11] <Xen0n> Grrr
[07:11] <Zugot> its actually pretty nice
[07:11] <Xen0n> Everything keeps crashing in Ubuntu!
[07:11] <gnii> I/m using vmware5 on ubuntu and it's excellent... runs almost as fast as native
[07:11] <viper12> yep....with server farms running multiple OS's, its a no-brainer.
[07:11] <Zugot> gnii, i'll wait to its released
[07:11] <Zugot> i have 3 vm sessions up right now...
[07:12] <Xen0n> Anyone mind helping me?
[07:12] <Zugot> i'm building a redhat kickstart script
[07:12] <Zugot> chatting on here
[07:12] <gnii> It upgrades them very well, the snapshot manager is a must however..
[07:12] <Xen0n> Everything in Ubuntu keeps crashing...
[07:12] <Zugot> and compiling a kernel
[07:12] <viper12> I downloaded the 5 beta, but have't done anything with it yet. (too busy playing ubuntu guy. lol.)
[07:12] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, hoary?
[07:12] <Xen0n> Eh?
[07:12] <Nonphasis> hoary crashes on me too (completely powers off occasionally)
[07:12] <Xen0n> What is hoary?
[07:12] <Zugot> i think i'm getting the powerbook 15"
[07:12] <Xen0n> Im talking everything...
[07:13] <Xen0n> Mozilla
[07:13] <Zugot> and running virtual pc on it
[07:13] <Xen0n> Periphrial Daemons
[07:13] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, ok, so you probably are not running hoary but warty, the stable version
[07:13] <viper12> Xenon:  Warty Warthog=production release of Ubuntu.  Hoary Hedgehog= testing development version of Ubuntu.
[07:13] <Xen0n> Im running warty.
[07:13] <Xen0n> K
[07:13] <CountDown> Does anyone else get "The currently selected audio profile is not available on your installation" when starting up Sound Juicer?
[07:13] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, perhaps your ram is bad
[07:13] <Xen0n> Probly
[07:13] <Xen0n> lol
[07:13] <viper12> Now, everything is crashing?  what type of machine, how much ram?
[07:13] <viper12> and that was my thought as well (ram issues).
[07:13] <Xen0n> AMD XP2000
[07:14] <Xen0n> 512Mb or DDRPC2100
[07:14] <Zugot> with vmware 4 you can't add hardware (disk) on the fly
[07:14] <Zugot> i don't like that
[07:14] <Xen0n> I probly have bad RAM
[07:14] <gnii> there are too many versions of the ibm t42
[07:14] <Xen0n> I wouldn't be suprised.
[07:14] <viper12> okay.......have you updated your kernel via synaptics to the 6-8-3-686 version?
[07:15] <Nigelenki> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:15] <Nigelenki> I don't like this.
[07:15] <Nigelenki> I just installed ethereal
[07:15] <Nigelenki> running it from the gnome menu gets it magic root access.
[07:15] <goldfish> lol
[07:15] <teratorn> anyone know why I can't remove the Applications menu from my gnome panel.
[07:15] <Nigelenki> why can i run an arbitrary command as root without entering my password
[07:15] <gnii> teratorn - security
[07:15] <teratorn> I can remove other things, but when I right cilck the Applications pull-down menu and select remove nothing happens.
[07:16] <politicante> hi, anybody running ubunto on amd64?
[07:16] <goldfish> Nigelenki: dont think so
[07:16] <Ribs> when is the last time you put in your password, Nigelenki
[07:16] <Ribs> ?
[07:16] <goldfish> Nigelenki: think u need to sudo
[07:16] <gnii> policante : me
[07:16] <teratorn> gnii: "security"?
[07:16] <verbalshadow> anyone seen this http://www.broadcom.com/drivers/downloaddrivers.php been any help in coding wireless driver for broadcom?
[07:16] <Ribs> I think there is a timeout
[07:16] <gnii> teratorn: yeah.. if you want a root 'session' try sudo -s
[07:17] <teratorn> gnii: I don't want a root session, actually :)
[07:17] <Xen0n> Anyone here use FreeBSD 5.3?
[07:17] <politicante> gnii: do you have a chroot environment?
[07:17] <gnii> ok sorry... getting mixed up
[07:18] <gnii> it was meant for Nigelenki
[07:18] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, hasn't netcraft confirmed tha fate of BSDen ages ago?
[07:18] <gnii> and wasn't even making sense anyway .. so ignore
[07:18] <Xen0n> Bah.
[07:18] <Xen0n> I think Im just gunna install mandrake or something
[07:18] <bebek> anyone know any mixer for oss?
[07:18] <Xen0n> Im really new to Linux.
[07:18] <Nigelenki> /usr/share/applications/EtherealAsRoot.desktop:11:Exec=gksudo -u root /usr/bin/ethereal
[07:18] <bebek> since gnome-volume applet doesn't work on me
[07:18] <Xen0n> And so far... Ubuntu has been a Ubitchu
[07:19] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, why mandrake?
[07:19] <fizgig10> Here's a strange problem:  If I click on System->Synaptic, nothing happens.  If I go to a prompt and type synaptic, it runs.  How do I troubleshoot this?
[07:19] <Xen0n> Because I installed it for my first time when I Was 11
[07:19] <Xen0n> and It worked.
[07:19] <Nigelenki> Ribs:  If I gksudo ethereal in a terminal it demands my password
[07:19] <teratorn> gnii: do you know if this is a gnome or ubuntu "feature"?
[07:19] <viper12> Xenon.....if you've got memory problems............mandrake AINT gonna fix it.
[07:19] <Nonphasis> Xen0n, try Fedora if Ubuntu doesn't work for you
[07:19] <Nigelenki> if I run ethereal. . .
[07:19] <zenrox> i need a ftp client like flashFXP
[07:19] <Xen0n> Then I just kinda...gave up
[07:19] <Nigelenki> yeah
[07:19] <Nigelenki> right now it just gives me ethereal as root.
[07:19] <Xen0n> Hmmm
[07:19] <Xen0n> Any way to diagnose bad RAM?
[07:19] <Nonphasis> memtest86
[07:20] <teratorn> may as well get the ultimate boot cd if you want memtest86
[07:20] <Xen0n> Does that require downloading something? because every time I do something in firefox, it crashes
[07:20] <teratorn> UBC > *
[07:20] <teratorn> Xen0n: try wget?
[07:20] <CountDown> Xen0n: Which kernel are you using?
[07:21] <viper12> guys......remember.....Xenon has told us that he's a linux nooby........be easy on him, k?
[07:21] <jakejarvis> n00b needs help installing openssl - i get the following error: "package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. perhaps you should add the directory containing 'openssl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. no package 'openssl' found." i just did apt-get install openssl
[07:21] <CountDown> Xen0n: You might be suffering from the noinotify problem.
[07:21] <viper12> not in warty countdown.
[07:21] <Xen0n_> There
[07:21] <Xen0n_> Sorry about that
[07:21] <Xen0n_> Anyway...
[07:21] <viper12> that only affected the 10-4 kernels in hoary.
[07:21] <JDahl> Xen0n, that could be because of an incorrect java plugin installation et cetera... e.g., if you made a copy of the plugin library instead of symlinking
[07:22] <CountDown> viper12: Ah.
[07:22] <viper12> :)
[07:22] <updala> i ll be back
[07:22] <updala> cu
[07:22] <updala> &part
[07:22] <Xen0n_> JDahl - Everything seems to be crashing, not only FirFox
[07:22] <Xen0n_> How do I use wget?
[07:22] <fizgig10> can anybody tell me how I can check what file System->Administration->Synaptic points at because it wont run Synaptic unless I go to a prompt.
[07:22] <Xen0n_> wget --help
[07:22] <Xen0n_> Sorry, wrong keyboard
[07:23] <ntoll> hmmm... I want to check my modules.conf file
[07:23] <Nonphasis> memtest86 is in boot for me
[07:23] <Nonphasis> probably a hoary thing
[07:23] <ntoll> Xen0n, easily done.... :-)
[07:23] <Xen0n_> Could someone give me an example code of downloading something?
[07:23] <Nonphasis> wget google.com
[07:23] <ntoll> can someone paste me theirs especially the bit for OSS pls? My sound config seems upthe duff
[07:23] <Xen0n_> Great
[07:23] <Xen0n_> Gnome just crashed
[07:24] <Sinistar> what'd it look like ?
[07:24] <Xen0n_> And so did my mouse daemon
[07:24] <Xen0n_> Everything is frozen
[07:24] <Xen0n_> And there is no gnome
[07:24] <Sinistar> oh, that's not good
[07:24] <Xen0n_> Just a single window
[07:24] <Xen0n_> well
[07:24] <Sinistar> and a working IRC client ?
[07:24] <Sinistar> jk jk
[07:24] <JDahl> Xen0n, did you run out of diskspace?
[07:24] <Xen0n_> Gnome didn't crash
[07:24] <viper12> Xenon.......do you have access to a stable box?  download the memtest, put er on a bootable floppy and run it on the problem child miachine.
[07:24] <Xen0n_> K
[07:24] <Sinistar> ah, mem or disk . hmm.
[07:24] <Xen0n_> I have a 80Gb disk
[07:24] <Xen0n_> Fresh Ubuntu install
[07:25] <Sinistar> 200 GB on sale at staples today $59
[07:25] <Sinistar> last day - killer deal.
[07:25] <Xen0n_> Yep.
[07:25] <Xen0n_> My brother bought 4
[07:25] <Xen0n_> :D
[07:25] <Sinistar> maaaaaaxtor though. heh
[07:25] <fizgig10> Here's my question again in case anyone missed it : Can anybody tell me how I can check what file System->Administration->Synaptic points at because it wont run Synaptic unless I go to a prompt.
[07:25] <Sinistar> yeah, 1 TB for liek $250
[07:25] <Sinistar> killer
[07:25] <viper12> 59 bucks?  what type of drive?
[07:25] <Sinistar> enough pr0n to ruin your life for good
[07:25] <Sinistar> max 7200
[07:25] <Sinistar> 133
[07:25] <Xen0n_> 8Mb cache
[07:25] <Sinistar> I'm off to get 2 when the wife gets back
[07:25] <AcidWolf> abelli the upgrade is done and so is the build
[07:26] <Sinistar> do I have a use ?  hell no
[07:26] <viper12> damn.  I just picked up a seagate 160gb with rebate for 75 at compusa.
[07:26] <Sinistar> seagate eh ?    I put max and sea together as reliability -
[07:26] <jakejarvis> n00b needs help installing openssl - i get the following error: "package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. perhaps you should add the directory containing 'openssl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. no package 'openssl' found." i just did apt-get install openssl
[07:26] <Sinistar> i've had both fo
[07:26] <statico> fizgig10: in the menu, right click the menu item and choose Properties?
[07:26] <Sinistar> go
[07:26] <kbrooks> brb
[07:27] <AcidWolf> brb
[07:27] <AcidWolf> rebooting
[07:27] <Sinistar> I once realized, given an unlimited disk storage - or storage
[07:27] <Sinistar> organizating is all that becomes issue
[07:27] <Sinistar> no kidding
[07:27] <Sinistar> it reveal the necessity for order
[07:27] <Sinistar> without it, kiss it lost in the heap
[07:27] <Sinistar> I face this with some 10 partitions now
[07:27] <viper12> there still is the old rule about filling all available space, no matter how much space you have..........and I still find that true. (damn movie files are big! lol).
[07:27] <Sinistar> music on 3 dif. drives,   getting harder to find things
[07:28] <Sinistar> then again, that's only the stuff I don't care about. heh
[07:28] <fizgig10> statico: I don't have a properties menu when I right-click it.
[07:28] <Sinistar> yes, movie files can be
[07:28] <Nonphasis> Sinistar, rhythmbox helps there
[07:28] <Sinistar> Non- oh, I get it, virtual dir's ?
[07:28] <Sinistar> that is - directories populated dynamically real time ?
[07:28] <Sinistar> based on some rule ?
[07:29] <Sinistar> all *mp3 on all drives ? - hmmm
[07:29] <Sinistar> I do like this idea of - forget WHERE it goes, just make sure you can tag it
[07:29] <Nonphasis> Sinistar, no, I meant the music library
[07:29] <Sinistar> for inventory heh
[07:29] <Sinistar> oh. I see non
[07:29] <statico> fizgig10: eek. i think it's just that gtksu-thing command followed by synaptic.
[07:29] <viper12> afk
[07:30] <jakejarvis> anyone know how i can get the development package?
[07:31] <Nekohayo> Hey all, I kinda have a problem here... can't rm files on a fat drive, even as root.
[07:31] <JDahl> Nekohayo, the partition is probably mounted as read-only
[07:31] <Sinistar> what development package ?
[07:31] <Sinistar> for ?
[07:32] <Nekohayo> the problem is that it's a usb2 drive, it's being automounted to /media/sda5
[07:32] <Xen0n_> Im running mem test now
[07:32] <jakejarvis> i can't install openssl, i get the error: package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. perhaps you should add the directory containing 'openssl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. no package 'openssl' found. i was recommended the development package by the people on ##linux
[07:32] <fizgig10> woah, I just realized most links in my System->Administration menu don't work!  The only ones that do aree "Device Manager" and "Printing"!
[07:32] <JDahl> Nekohayo, unmount it, insert it into fstab with prober permissions, replug it
[07:32] <Nekohayo> JDahl, besides, I was able to remove ~60% of the folders in there.. but there's ~5 folders left which will give me the read only error
[07:33] <Nekohayo> JDahl, I'll try to edit the fstab .. however, I find it odd that it can delete part of the files. Would be more reassuring if it could not delete any :)
[07:34] <JDahl> Nekohayo, maybe the folder has permissions 444? you could just try chmod
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[07:36] <Xen0n_> lol
[07:36] <Xen0n_> BBL
[07:36] <Blaubaer> im trying to install ubuntu, to be exact im trying to help a friend wo hasnt installed linux yet to get ubuntu installed, please help.
[07:37] <JDahl> Blaubaer, dont ask to ask, just ask
[07:37] <StoffBox-steve> how to set a Password to file-roller that is need for extract ?
[07:38] <Blaubaer> the hd is partitioned as hda1: 20gb ntfs, hda2 50gb vfat, hda5 linux swap, hda6 ext2 (for /boot), hda7 for /
[07:39] <JDahl> Blaubaer, I would put /home on a separate partition also... that way you dont need to backup stuff if you reinstall linux
[07:39] <Nekohayo> JDahl, I've tried adding this to my fstab: /dev/sda5	/home/jeff/mount-backupdrive	vfat		shortname=mixed,rw,iocharset=utf8,codepage=850,umask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,user,noatime,nodiratime	0 0                           and I created the mount point folder, chmodded it to 777 to be sure, then I tried my sudo rm -drvf * inside the mounted drive, still doesn't work
[07:39] <goldfish> Would ubuntu run ok on 64mb Ram ?
[07:40] <viper12> like a pig goldfish.....if that good.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> godsmoke,  its running 'slowly' on my P100 laptop...
[07:40] <goldfish> haha
[07:40] <Blaubaer> my friend is at the point to partition the disk, there should be 15 gb free, what would you suggest.
[07:40] <JDahl> Nekohayo, then I'm out of ideas... btw, do you need sudo if you mount it with uid, gid?
[07:40] <restrex> goldfish depends... what precessor have u>?
[07:40] <viper12> unless you're running without gnome.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> with that much ram
[07:40] <Dr_willis> you may want to not use gnome..
[07:40] <Dr_willis> use icewm or openbox. or somthing MUCH lighter.
[07:40] <goldfish> kk
[07:40] <Nekohayo> JDahl, I think could mount it as a normal user
[07:41] <Nekohayo> thanks for the ideas anyways.. weird problem I got here o_o
[07:41] <abelli> viper12: have you wrote the howto? :)
[07:41] <viper12> with that LITTLE ram.........you couldn't use gnome.....ifn' I remember right.....the cutoff is like 128meg for gnome to work at all.
[07:41] <abelli> s/wrote/written
[07:41] <JDahl> Nekohayo, yes... so you shouldn't need root permissions to delete files
[07:41] <abelli> ...basically.. did you write the howto? :))))
[07:41] <viper12> abelli.....I've got it in writer now.  should post that later today.  I went through the wiki, and there is nothing close to what we did. lol
[07:42] <abelli> viper12: good ;)
[07:42] <Nekohayo> JDahl, is there a way to format my drive to a clean fat thingy from linux?
[07:42] <JDahl> Blaubaer, the partition layout you suggested sounds fine.. just put /home on a separate partition
[07:42] <viper12> which I find odd.  you'd think people on home networks would want to do that.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> 'clean fat thingy' ?
[07:42] <Nekohayo> ..... XD
[07:42] <larsrohdin> how can i make a iso-file of a copy protected dvd?
[07:42] <Nekohayo> to format it back to a clean fat partition
[07:43] <Nekohayo> (even if I believe fat can't be clean at all :)
[07:43] <Blaubaer> JDahl: thanks, i don't know how to tell my friend how to partition the disk, i don't know the ubuntu installer and im talking over icq.
[07:43] <JDahl> Nekohayo, mkfs.vfat
[07:43] <raydogg``> larsrohdin, reboot into windows and use dvddecrypter
[07:43] <larsrohdin> raydogg``, yey great answer...
[07:43] <Nekohayo> okay, I'll look at the man pages, thanks
[07:43] <raydogg``> lol
[07:43] <raydogg``> You're not gonna get an answer about that here
[07:44] <larsrohdin> raydogg``, why not?
[07:44] <raydogg``> Because its illegal
[07:44] <zenrox> who knows of a really good linux ftp client
[07:44] <zenrox> becides gftp
[07:44] <raydogg``> well, not that is illegal, but they know why you watn to make a copy and they won't help you.
[07:44] <larsrohdin> raydogg``, no its not illegal to backup your own dvds
[07:44] <JDahl> zenrox, emacs
[07:44] <zenrox> JDahl,  something with a gui
[07:45] <JDahl> zenrox, xemacs
[07:45] <Dr_willis> its just illeagle to have software that can do it :P
[07:45] <larsrohdin> Dr_willis, yes... and i don't... where can i get it=)
[07:45] <zenrox> JDahl,  can you connect to a ftp server link with flashFXP
[07:45] <zenrox> link=like
[07:46] <JDahl> zenrox, I wouldnt know...
[07:46] <MindZEye> Zenrox:  Konq if you have KDE.
[07:46] <raydogg``> I wish they would make alinux version of flashfxp
[07:46] <zenrox> JDahl,  i need a ftp that has some of the same fetuers of flashFXP
[07:46] <raydogg``> zend, if you find one let me know
[07:46] <zenrox> MindZEye,  dont have kde but ill look it up
[07:47] <raydogg``> zenrox that is
[07:47] <JDahl> zenrox, I've never heard of flashFXP... I rarely use ftp
[07:48] <zenrox> well flashfxp = connecting to a ftp bhind a nat router
[07:48] <raydogg``> flashfxp = sending files from one ftp site to another ftp site
[07:49] <raydogg``> flashfxp +=
[07:49] <zenrox> raydogg``,  i need it to alow me to connect to a ftp behind a nat
[07:49] <Blaubaer> at the point of partitioning when installing ubuntu, how do i tell where what partition gets mounted?
[07:49] <kbrooks> flashfxp = nil
[07:50] <MindZEye> Zenrox:  Surely all you need is the cheeky passive flag?
[07:50] <zenrox> MindZEye,  nope i am behind a nat too
[07:50] <JDahl> Blaubaer, if you create the partitions manually it will show on the screen
[07:50] <zenrox> MindZEye,  it hangs in pasv mode
[07:51] <MindZEye> Zenrox:  Ah, both you and the FTP site are behind a NAT, I get ya.
[07:51] <zenrox> yep
[07:51] <Blaubaer> JDahl: so its best to delete everything except windows and partition everything else new?
[07:51] <JDahl> Blaubaer, yes
[07:51] <zenrox> so i need a client that will alow me to do that
[07:52] <wnaLinux> hi
[07:52] <JDahl> Blaubaer, debian has screenshots of every single step of the install process - perhaps Ubuntu has similar screenshots?
[07:53] <theine> Does anybody know where to get Acrobat Reader 7.0 pre-releasefor Linux
[07:54] <Blaubaer> JDahl: thanks, we try that.
[07:54] <kaos> How do you install .deb and
[07:54] <kaos> redhat files
[07:55] <viper12> abelli.....lol.......I'm writing a tech document......never thought I'd be doing that.
[07:55] <Nekohayo> JDahl, on my mkfs issue, I get this, am I missing something? (The drive is on and mounted)     jeff@khloe:~/mount-backupdrive $ sudo mkfs.vfat -v  /dev/sda5
[07:55] <Nekohayo> mkfs.vfat 2.10 (22 Sep 2003)
[07:55] <Nekohayo> mkfs.vfat: /dev/sda5 contains a mounted file system.
[07:56] <JDahl> kaos, normally you would use apt-get to install .debs, but if you downloaded a single 3rd party package you can install it with "dpkg -i xxx.deb". You can install rpms with alien if you must
[07:56] <JDahl> Nekohayo, you have to unmount it first
[07:56] <Nekohayo> ok
[07:57] <erlend_> why, god WHY can't i get java to work on my hoary installation? i have tried with 3 different versions, i have tried downloading it and installing it from www.java.com and i have tried with unofficial ubuntu packages. still.. NOTHING happens. i try to start azureus, the java bittorrent client. it finds java and everything seems ok, but then it stops. no error messages, nothing. oh, and of course, nothing happens when i try starting a
[07:57] <erlend_>  java applet in my browser.
[07:57] <theine> is anybody playing scorched3d in here?
[07:58] <pisuke> erlend_, www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:58] <JDahl> erlend_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:59] <erlend_> JDahl, pisuke, but i have done this
[08:00] <erlend_> it simply won't work
[08:00] <pisuke> in firefox, about:plugins
[08:00] <pisuke> says anything about java?
[08:01] <erlend_> sure, it is installed. but nothing loads
[08:01] <zenrox> nuts this sucks
[08:01] <Nekohayo> JDahl, if the drive is not mounted, it gives me a "no such file/dir" when I try to mkfs.vfat /dev/sda5
[08:01] <JDahl> erlend_, is there a symlink from the plugin dir to the correct library?
[08:02] <Baldr> any1 could help me installin a WinModem in Ubuntu?
[08:02] <Sinistar> lol
[08:02] <Sinistar> WinModem -augh!
[08:02] <kbrooks> Baldr, dialup?
[08:02] <erlend_> JDahl, yes yes. i can promise you, everything is in order (according to the way it should be installed)
[08:02] <Baldr> yes
[08:03] <rubixXx> whats the other lightweight window manager on ubuntu, the straight xorg one?
[08:03] <JDahl> Nekohayo, that's odd... the drive is still turned on, right?
[08:03] <rubixXx> is it failsafe?
[08:03] <Nekohayo> JDahl, yes
[08:03] <Baldr> kbrooks, you know what to do?
[08:04] <JDahl> Nekohayo, then I dont know...
[08:04] <Nekohayo> JDahl, heh :P I'm wondering if I should make it reiser instead of fat... faster but I would loose my compatiblity
[08:04] <kbrooks> Baldr, Model of the modem, please?
[08:05] <Baldr> kbrooks WinModem US Robotics 56k
[08:06] <kbrooks> Baldr, cut the WinModem out. do you have the FULL model of the modem?
[08:06] <neighborlee> is there a way to format thumb drives in linux ?
[08:06] <mjr> neighborlee, what you want is make a filesystem on them, and yes
[08:07] <Baldr> kbrooks, hum... 5610 56K FaxModem
[08:07] <kbrooks> Baldr, OK.
[08:07] <mjr> neighborlee, if you want to use it on non-linux systems, mkfs-msdos might be what you want
[08:07] <Allen> i have installed ubuntu......now i have a small prob
[08:07] <mjr> otherwise mke2fs or something
[08:07] <Allen> there are no loop devices with base system
[08:07] <kbrooks> mjr: 'mkfs-msdos' =~ s/-//
[08:07] <kbrooks> ;)
[08:07] <Allen> do i have to use mknod
[08:08] <neighborlee> mjr, indeed yes..friend came over and for some reason ( at the time I was in windows XP home) xp was unable to format anything at the time ( even floppies) so came back to linux and bam instant success..however I just had no idea how to format thumbs here ;-))
[08:08] <Allen> or is there a way i can get them
[08:08] <mjr> umm, actually, mkfs.msdos :)
[08:08] <Allen> can some one help me in this regard
[08:08] <neighborlee> mrj: dain id hoped there was a gui that might do the trick but I guess not yet ?
[08:08] <kbrooks> mjr: wrong regex. s/-/\.//
[08:08] <kbrooks> :P
[08:08] <neighborlee> mjr: ic
[08:08] <mjr> neighborlee, I wouldn't know about that
[08:09] <kbrooks> lol i like this freeride irb stuff
[08:09] <Baldr> kbrooks, got it?
[08:10] <kbrooks> Baldr, gimme a sec
[08:10] <kbrooks> US Robotics 5610 56K FaxModem right
[08:11] <kent> neighborlee, did you meen that you was hoping for a gui to format floppys? if so, there is one.
[08:11] <Baldr> thats it
[08:11] <kbrooks> OK
[08:11] <Dr_Acemaster> can someone help me install ubuntu from network?
[08:11] <kbrooks> is this PCI or ISA
[08:11] <kent> jdub, you dont happen to have the webcam up and running? :)
[08:12] <kbrooks> @ Baldr
[08:12] <Allen> is there any one who can help me with my loop device problem
[08:12] <Dr_Acemaster> I was trying to find instructions on ubuntu's site, but couldn't find anything
[08:12] <Baldr> PCI
[08:13] <kbrooks> Baldr, OK
[08:13] <Allen> Dr Acemaster:::  i am not sure of the prob that u r talkin abt
[08:13] <goldfish> lol
[08:13] <Allen> but then lets if i can try and help u out
[08:14] <karim> what to do to have the sounds of ubuntu ?
[08:14] <karim> like the sound when I log in
[08:14] <Allen> are u talkin abt installation of ubuntu on the lan
[08:14] <kbrooks> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=72
[08:14] <Allen> karim its the jingle
[08:14] <goldfish> u need to get your soundcard working
[08:14] <karim> it works
[08:14] <karim> I am on powerpc
[08:14] <goldfish> k
[08:14] <karim> I upgraded from debian to ubuntu
[08:14] <Allen> hmm..
[08:15] <karim> I got the sounds on x86
[08:15] <fr500> 2430561
[08:15] <Dr_Acemaster> Allen ubuntu will not install from my emachine cdrom, so the only other way that I know of is to install from network
[08:15] <larsrohdin_> what does this error mean? dd: reading "/dev/hdc": In/out-error?
[08:15] <ompaul> so there I was with array5 and no ppp0 connection, the auto config tool flashed the lights on the modem (serial), wvdial was not something I was used to {transpires it is as easy as to use}, out of the mists of confusion a little voice suggests sym link so I stuck ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem and the connection worked a treat (minor editing)
[08:17] <ompaul> larsrohdin, what was the full dd command?
[08:17] <larsrohdin_> dd if=/dev/hdc of=bob4.iso bs=1024 did you mean that?
[08:17] <ompaul> larsrohdin, yes
[08:18] <kbrooks> i need to download all packages , not install them
[08:18] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, any idea?
[08:19] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, have you tried it with an absolute path in the of? of=/home/me/bob4.iso ?
[08:19] <karim> larsrohdin, it doesn't work for me too
[08:19] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, wait a sec and ill try
[08:19] <kbrooks> apt-get -d dist-upgrade or what
[08:19] <karim> ompaul, cat /dev/cdrom > something.iso
[08:19] <karim> ompaul, this doesn't work too
[08:19] <SuperL4g> what's the Ubuntu way to add Java to $PATH? My buddy tells me its done a little differently than you'd expect...
[08:20] <kbrooks> HACK! PING
[08:20] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, same thing
[08:20] <msumu> good ev people of da free world
[08:20] <ompaul> arrr
[08:20] <msumu> (re karim)
[08:20] <karim> msumu, ?
[08:20] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, okay I am exhausted which is why I did not ask you are you doing that as root? sudo ?
[08:21] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, hehe, no... i wasn't...=)
[08:21] <solarwinds> Need help....
[08:21] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, but no same thing
[08:21] <ompaul> solarwinds, need classes in telepathy - care to tell us what it is
[08:21] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, it is a data cd?
[08:22] <larsrohdin_> dvd-film
[08:22] <msumu> yes karim
[08:22] <solarwinds> Networkmaneger for ubuntu not working, why ??
[08:22] <msumu> not adapted
[08:23] <larsrohdin_> solarwinds, you using gnome?
[08:23] <solarwinds> yes.
[08:23] <larsrohdin_> solarwinds, tried sudo network-admin ?
[08:24] <msumu> hey karim tu y arrive ac les partitions ou koi ?
[08:24] <solarwinds> larsrohdin, it is OK.
[08:24] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, can it be copy protected? because I could make an iso of it in windows...
[08:25] <larsrohdin_> solarwinds, you got it working?
[08:25] <sander__> solarwinds, I have the same problem. I think it's broken. At least in Hoary.
[08:25] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, I do not know let me play with that idea for a moment
[08:25] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, ok...
[08:25] <ompaul> solarwinds, you trying to use a modem?
[08:25] <solarwinds> not the neteork manger, only the  sudo network-admin. working.
[08:26] <JeRM> yo, i need help ASAP
[08:26] <JeRM> i need to uninstall knoppix off my first partition so that i can reinstall windows!!!!
[08:26] <ompaul> larsrohdin_ I have not forgotten your issue I am trying to pull my brain out of the 1970s it is in bits
[08:26] <JeRM> please, ive been tryin to get this done for a month
[08:27] <solarwinds> I can see the the boot procces that the Network Manger deamon is up, but when I am sudo Networkmanegerm I can see nothing :-(
[08:27] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, ok... take it easy there, don't hurt yourself=)
[08:27] <JeRM> can anyone help me uninstall knoppix !?!?!?!?!??!? plz?
[08:27] <JDahl> JeRM, cant you just reformat it using the mkfs tools, and then install windows?
[08:28] <larsrohdin_> JeRM, yeah just install windows, windows kills everything that gets in its way=)
[08:28] <JeRM> no it doesnt
[08:29] <JeRM> another guy here said thta windows needs the first partition
[08:29] <nanomad> hi everyone....
[08:29] <JeRM> when i boot with XP disc, it says it cannot find any hard disks
[08:29] <bedge> windows nt doesn need that
[08:29] <nanomad> i have a question....
[08:29] <msumu> ask
[08:29] <larsrohdin_> JeRM, yeah, because if you install linux first and windows after, it writes over the mbr and you can only boot windows...
[08:29] <larsrohdin_> nanomad, shoot
[08:29] <JeRM> nah, it int working
[08:29] <bedge> mm wich windows version do you use
[08:29] <JDahl> jerm, if you repartition with cfdisk as ntfs, I bet windows will find it
[08:29] <ompaul> JeRM, its windows, I don't know anything about that why not ask the microsoft community about it?
[08:29] <JeRM> i installed knoppix over XP i guess, and now i cant get XP back on it
[08:29] <nanomad> whenever i try to start xawtv, the screen goes black and I have to reboot. Bug?
[08:29] <Nonphasis> larsrohdin, this doesn't happen w/ separata boot partition
[08:30] <JeRM> damn :(
[08:30] <bedge> frwindows net (anyway nt 5.>) usues a boatloader if there are more operating systems
[08:30] <larsrohdin_> Nonphasis, ok, my bad
[08:32] <ompaul> larsrohdin_ this may help a little :-)  dd if=/dev/cdrom1 of=file.iso   use sudo for it ... replace cdrom1 with whatever your machine is calling hdc check /etc/fstab for values
[08:33] <png> ls
[08:34] <ompaul> JeRM, when you boot from your XP disk (i assume that you have one if not you are in the dog house) tell it to format all of the drive to kill off knoppix but I think it is a step back
[08:34] <JDahl> isnt knoppix a live distro? how do install that?
[08:34] <ompaul> png: -la :)
[08:34] <larsrohdin_> ompaul, what? you mean where i mount the hdc or?
[08:35] <ompaul> yes
[08:35] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, yes
[08:35] <kbrooks> JeRM, .....
[08:35] <ompaul> JDahl, the instructions are in on the site, and iirc in the disk
[08:35] <larsrohdin_> it says that /media/cdrom0 is a directory
[08:36] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, ls -l /dev/cdrom*
[08:36] <Baldr> hum.. since I installed Ubuntu, and it installed GRUB, i cant boot to WinXP .. any1 knows how to fix it?
[08:36] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, that might be useful
[08:36] <larsrohdin_> /dev/cdrom -> hdd , i don't get it
[08:37] <kbrooks> i need a huge file that i can test prozilla on
[08:37] <ompaul> larsrohdin_, msg me and be prepared for a simple instruction
[08:37] <ompaul> Baldr, can u use vi?
[08:37] <solarwinds> Baldr, I am using Win2K and ubuntu (grub) with out any problem..
[08:38] <kbrooks> ompaul, hre doesnt have to
[08:38] <Baldr> ompaul, what is vi??
[08:38] <kbrooks> ompaul, nano is SIMPLE
[08:38] <kbrooks> Baldr, use nano
[08:38] <ompaul> kbrooks, I am an olde timer :)
[08:39] <kbrooks> Baldr, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:39] <Kokey> or gedit
[08:40] <kbrooks> Baldr, you may exit out of nano by pressing ctrl+x
[08:40] <ubernoob> Anyone tried sun solaris 10?
[08:40] <Baldr> kbrooks, sure.. but what i have to edit?
[08:40] <ompaul> and I have talked people though this before in vi :)
[08:41] <kbrooks> Baldr, well, did your computer boot to windows previously
[08:41] <kbrooks> before this
[08:41] <solarwinds> Someone know how to change D-link Wireless to Monitor mode.
[08:41] <kbrooks> i hope it's right
[08:41] <Baldr> i used to have WInXP... than i installed Ubuntu... and it stopped...
[08:41] <Kokey> read the comments in menu.lst
[08:41] <kbrooks> Baldr, did you install it over xp?
[08:42] <abelli> where's the one with the broken initrd.img
[08:42] <Baldr> no.. in another partition
[08:42] <abelli> ?
[08:42] <solarwinds> I think you install it on the same partition...
[08:42] <kbrooks> he didnt
[08:42] <Baldr> i got partition 1 with WinXP and partition 5 with Ubuntu
[08:42] <carthik> Hi all, so how do I start using a USB keyboard with my laptop? Just plug it in and let rip?
[08:42] <Kokey> after a kernel upgrade, with apt, always needs to modify /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:43] <kbrooks> Kokey, dude
[08:43] <kbrooks> apt does that automatically
[08:43] <Kokey> not in my case
[08:43] <Kokey> =S
[08:43] <kbrooks> well, dont compile from source!
[08:44] <kbrooks> i have a question.
[08:45] <kbrooks> my floppy isnt being detected
[08:45] <Baldr> the onli thing GRUB do is "root (hd0,0) / makeactive / chainloader +1 " ... than it stays there eternaly
[08:45] <kbrooks> i want to reformat it
[08:45] <kbrooks> it has some shit on it that i dont want
[08:46] <arbeck> I've got an smb share mounted at boot... however, only root as write access to it, and I don't want to have to sudo to get right access... how can i change that?
[08:46] <Blaubaer> ok, ubuntu is installed... my friend missed to configure the network, how do you do it if you have the gui the first time. she has dsl over ethernet.
[08:46] <kbrooks> arbeck, well, do you know the mountpoint.....
[08:47] <arbeck> kbrooks: yes
[08:48] <kbrooks> arbeck, well, sudo chown user:user /mountpoint
[08:48] <Blaubaer> any hints on how to get pppoe to work in ubuntu?
[08:48] <kbrooks> and chmod 777 /mountpoint.
[08:49] <arbeck> kbrooks: that was the first thing I tried... it tells me that's not permitted
[08:49] <kbrooks> arbeck, what first thig?
[08:49] <kbrooks> arbeck, DO THE CHOWN FIRST AND REPLACE USER:USER with your username
[08:50] <kbrooks> AND YOU MUST CHOWN AS  ROOT
[08:50] <arbeck> kbrooks: chown and chmod... i've already tried that.... it doesn't work... chown is not permitted
[08:50] <viper12> do it with a 'sudo' command?
[08:50] <arbeck> yep
[08:50] <kbrooks> arbeck, grrrrr
[08:57] <Blaubaer> is there a adsl-setup on ubuntu? if not, how to setup dsl?
[08:57] <arbeck> kbrooks: you see the problem is, when the drive is unmounted I can change the ownership and modify the dir.
[08:58] <arbeck> kbrooks: but as soon as it is mounted I loose that ability... I think I'm mounting the drive incorrectly, but I don't know what I did wrong
[08:58] <kbrooks> arbeck, modify /etc/fstab
[08:58] <goldfish> Blaubaer: go into networking
[08:58] <goldfish> in sys configurations
[08:58] <arbeck> kbrooks: I added this line: //REDHATWEB/web	/media/web	smbfs	credentials=/etc/cred	0	0
[08:59] <Blaubaer> goldfish: im trying to help a friend to install ubuntu, in turkish ;)
[08:59] <goldfish> oh right
[08:59] <goldfish> Blaubaer: Has he installed ubuntu yet?
[08:59] <Blaubaer> its installed, but no net sofar.
[08:59] <goldfish> ah right
[08:59] <goldfish> my dsl got set up during the ubuntu install
[09:00] <goldfish> i set it manually
[09:00] <goldfish> just put in the ip subnet and default gateway values
[09:00] <acolyte> abelli: r u there?
[09:01] <brian___> somebody shoot me. I hate ubuntu =/
[09:01] <abelli> acolyte: yes
[09:01] <arbeck> kbrooks: does that look right to you?
[09:01] <kbrooks> arbeck, add a option
[09:01] <viper12> brian..........why?
[09:02] <goldfish> Because he touches himself at night.
[09:02] <acolyte> abelli: did you find anything?
[09:02] <BrianAnthony> because I don't have anything simple to configure modules with.
[09:02] <acolyte> abelli: I've dled and burned the liveCD allready, so I'm good to go
[09:02] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I have to disable framebuffering, or I can't go into X
[09:02] <arbeck> kbrooks: what option?
[09:03] <kbrooks> arbeck, RTFM.
[09:03] <kbrooks> arbeck, man fstab
[09:03] <viper12> what video card brian?  and are you using warty or hoary?
[09:03] <kbrooks> man mount first. :)
[09:03] <BrianAnthony> viper12: ATI Radeon 9550 and hoary
[09:03] <Blaubaer> how do you change the root password. i told my friend to do a "sudo passwd root" but it seems it asks for a password after a fresh install.
[09:04] <kbrooks> that is the user password
[09:04] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I'm on a 2.6.8 kernel, I downgraded, because I couldn't find any source packages for the hoary kernel
[09:04] <kbrooks> and root is disabled
[09:04] <kbrooks> on ubuntu
[09:05] <viper12> that's the problem then.  you need to upgrade to the 2.6.10 kernel.......my ati 9200 mobility worked 'out of the box' in hoary with that.
[09:05] <viper12> the hoary kernel is part of hoary...........you can't see em' with synaptic?
[09:05] <Blaubaer> kbrooks: so, if root is disabled, then why sudo passwd root as in the installation-howto.
[09:06] <kbrooks> Blaubaer, what howto? where?
[09:06] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I don't know what that is
[09:06] <kbrooks> Blaubaer, sudo works
[09:06] <Blaubaer> kbrooks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-i386
[09:06] <kbrooks> but not passwd root.
[09:06] <viper12> the package manager in gnome on hoary Brian.
[09:07] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I didn't even know that existed.
[09:07] <viper12> :O
[09:07] <kbrooks> Blaubaer, i'll edit that out
[09:07] <viper12> top menu bar........system>administration> Synaptic Package Manager.
[09:07] <BrianAnthony> viper12: but it still doens't help me with modules. I have to disable vesafb and it's little hellions or I crash a horrible death when x loads
[09:08] <arbeck> kbrooks: I've read the fucking manual, and I know how fstab works... there's nothing in there about the problem i'm having
[09:08] <Hikaru79> I have a SAMBA fileserver, and a user, let's call him 'hikaru79' that I seem to have chrooted to /var/www and when logging onto the SAMBA server, it can't go out of /var/www. I would like to give this user full access to everything (through SAMBA). How can I do this?
[09:08] <viper12> viper, if you do a smart upgrade and include the ati drivers..........synaptic will build that out FOR  you.
[09:08] <viper12> er.....gads.....Brian.
[09:08] <viper12> lol
[09:09] <Gorth> Are anyone able to download this file: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/hoary-install-i386.iso
[09:09] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I have no problem installing the drivers, I just need to disable this module
[09:10] <viper12> in hoary.....you HAVE upgraded to xorg right? if so, you can edit out that in xorg.conf  I believe.
[09:12] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I don't have Xorg
[09:12] <BrianAnthony> viper12: what is the package name?
[09:12] <viper12> via synaptic search for xorg
[09:12] <arbeck> kbrooks: Now if you were a nice guy, you would have told me to use the uid and gid options when i mounted the drive
[09:13] <viper12> if you're on hoary, it should have replaced xfree with it.  how did you upgrade?
[09:13] <Dr_Acemaster> anyone tried to install ubuntu on an emachine?
[09:13] <kbrooks> arbeck, yes, and i forgot them
[09:13] <jakejarvis> where can i get lib-ssl for ubuntu?
[09:13] <BrianAnthony> viper12: I changed my apt sources and  apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:14] <arbeck> kbrooks: but man fstab didn't help much either... i had to go to man smbmount
[09:14] <viper12> nods...I've seen xorg 'not' upgrade before........use the package manager, search for xorg, and do the smart upgrade with it. as well as getting your kernel to 10-4
[09:15] <Blaubaer> please give me some step by step instructions on howto setup dsl, this gets translatet from english, to german to turkish, its quite dificult.
[09:15] <abelli> how can i change root partition while booting warty live cd?
[09:17] <abelli> BrianAnthony: hi there
[09:17] <abelli> BrianAnthony: what's your problem mate?
[09:17] <BrianAnthony> abelli: I have to disable vesafb or I die a horrible death when X loads up
[09:18] <abelli> BrianAnthony: what's?
[09:18] <Lee__> Is there a graphical utility for configuring a wireless card with a WEP password?
[09:18] <Lee__> all I found is the wireless link monitor and network status applet
[09:19] <Lee__> and on the web this:  http://www.gnome.org/~calum/usability/specs/wireless/
[09:19] <viper12> lee........system, administration, networking.
[09:19] <abelli> Lee__: it should me "network-admin"
[09:19] <abelli> s/me/be
[09:19] <abelli> BrianAnthony: u there?
[09:21] <Lee__> it's treating the card as a wired device
[09:21] <Lee__> but iwconfig works and joining an open network works
[09:21] <goldfish> add a wireless connection?
[09:21] <goldfish> well
[09:21] <goldfish> hmm...
[09:22] <Lee__> does the GUI change depending on how you classify it, wired vs. wireless?
[09:23] <jakejarvis> how do i install .deb files in warty?
[09:23] <viper12> Lee, you are using the network tool right?  if worst comes to worst.......delete the current device and then add it again. you should be able to add the wep key with it as well.
[09:25] <flosch> hi
[09:26] <viper12> greetz flosch
[09:28] <DEBHALp> how do I instakll a .deb in terminal
[09:28] <apokryphos> DEBHALp: see man dpkg
[09:28] <DEBHALp> nvm
[09:29] <unifi> hi
[09:29] <zhukov_> hi
[09:29] <unifi> I got java installed on my computer with synaptic
[09:29] <zhukov_> need big help :S
[09:29] <unifi> but I cant seem to get it to work in firefox
[09:30] <unifi> can someone help me out
[09:30] <unifi> ?
[09:30] <zhukov_> started ubuntu today and the panels are all weird (cant see anything, no buttons, etc)
[09:30] <goldfish> unifi: you need the firefox java plugin
[09:30] <goldfish> unifi: one sec
[09:30] <zhukov_> started a console and did killall gnome-panels
[09:30] <zhukov_> restarted gnome-panels and the error was still there...
[09:30] <zhukov_> any sugestion?
[09:30] <unifi> I looked here
[09:30] <unifi> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[09:30] <zenrox> unifi, read www.ubuntuguide.org for java
[09:31] <goldfish> unifi: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[09:31] <EndGame> im gonna sound ignorant
[09:31] <EndGame> but
[09:31] <unifi> great thanks!
[09:31] <goldfish> those two commands should do it unifi
[09:31] <EndGame> whats so great about ubuntu
[09:31] <EndGame> looks like a bunch of hippies to me
[09:31] <unifi> ha Endgame
[09:32] <goldfish> It's good for first time users.
[09:32] <goldfish> Like myself.
[09:32] <zhukov_> Help! --- Please...
[09:32] <goldfish> But I'm sure real nix ppl have better reasons.
[09:32] <godsmoke> Ubuntu is debian that "just works" for most people
[09:32] <dud> its good for any desktop linux enviroment
[09:32] <EndGame> what fun is "just working"
[09:32] <EndGame> what do you earn?
[09:33] <viper12> you trolling Endgame?
[09:33] <EndGame> ?
[09:33] <goldfish> lol
[09:33] <dud> just stop the trolling
[09:33] <EndGame> im curious, and im spreading the good word of gentoo :-)
[09:33] <EndGame> im looking into ubuntu for my roomie
[09:33] <godsmoke> EndGame: this is not the place to do that
[09:33] <viper12> he's trolling. -rolls eyes.
[09:33] <goldfish> what is so good about gentoo EndGame ?
[09:33] <godsmoke> viper12: we know, get over it
[09:34] <EndGame> it makes me feel like a man!
[09:34] <zhukov_> NOBODY?... :(
[09:34] <dud> EndGame, for people who doesnt want to spend 90% of their time compiling sources, ubuntu works out fine
[09:34] <viper12> godsmoke.............get over what?
[09:34] <godsmoke> viper12: just stop commenting on it
[09:34] <EndGame> dud: good point
[09:34] <EndGame> see, that i like
[09:34] <godsmoke> viper12: you're not helping anything by saying that he's trolling
[09:34] <goldfish> haha
[09:34] <goldfish> relax guys :)
[09:34] <godsmoke> nobody's tense
[09:35] <dud> also, if I myself were to troll, I could point out that portage is a really terrible implementation of freebsd ports
[09:35] <zhukov_> I am
[09:35] <dud> but I wont :P
[09:35] <godsmoke> heh
[09:35] <viper12> godsmoke, and you care what I'm saying........why?  I've been helping people for the last couple hours......I can say what I like.......haven't seen you contributing in here...except to tell me to sod off.
[09:35] <godsmoke> viper12: the same reason you seem to care what EndGame is saying
[09:35] <viper12> igged
[09:36] <godsmoke> thanks for anouncing that
[09:37] <viper12> lol dud.
[09:37] <dud> thank god for vmware finally working on amd64... I don't think I could have done my job without vmware heh
[09:38] <dud> such a damn brilliant piece of software :o
[09:38] <viper12> vm is some smooth stuff.
[09:38] <dud> I can compare 10 different linux distros in a flash now... I dont even wanna think about having to installed those by hand
[09:38] <dud> would have taken many days heh
[09:39] <zhukov_> :'( buahahahahahah
[09:39] <viper12> sure would have.  Of course, the live discs do pretty similar job when they work. ;)
[09:39] <dud> I have to deliver a preliminary report on desktop linux alternatives by monday... as a consultant for a medium sized pc dealer
[09:40] <dud> sorta leaning towards recommending ubuntu... but I dunno...
[09:40] <viper12> recomend for what type of 'audience' dud?
[09:40] <godsmoke> dud: alternatives to? -- windows? or another desktop linux?
[09:40] <dud> total newbies and out-of-the-box pc buyers
[09:40] <dud> alternative to win xp
[09:40] <goldfish> yep
[09:41] <goldfish> ubuntu has been good for me
[09:41] <goldfish> I am a complete linux n00b.
[09:41] <dud> my job to make a suitable implementation for the company
[09:41] <zhukov_> c'mon folks help me out!I've googled along and found no solution
[09:41] <dud> so that they can sell custom computers shipped with linux :)
[09:41] <godsmoke> heh
[09:41] <goldfish> nice
[09:41] <Gagatan> ubuntu,suse/sun java,fedora,mandrake.. ok desktop linux's
[09:41] <dud> zhukov_, whats the problem?
[09:41] <godsmoke> sun java?
[09:41] <viper12> I think with hoary in april, it'd be good, but warty still has some issues.  for the total noob, an easier migration is xandros.(but I don't like where they're going as a company....to mickeysoft like for my tastes.)
[09:41] <Gagatan> sun java desktop linux.. based on suse
[09:42] <dud> I'm considering libranet/xandros/linspire/ubuntu at the moment Gagatan
[09:42] <zhukov_> i started ubuntu and the panels are all wrong! No icons, arent workinkg, no menus, just a grey bar
[09:42] <godsmoke> that's so scary
[09:42] <dud> perhaps I'll just build a custom debian tho...
[09:42] <zhukov_> did killall gnome-panel and restarted gnome-panel, but the problem remains
[09:42] <Gagatan> dud: have you checked debian-edu (aka skolelinux)
[09:43] <dud> Gagatan, yep, I'm involved with a LUG in norway... we try to push skolelinux every chance we get ;)
[09:43] <dud> zhukov_, live cd or install?
[09:43] <dud> hoary or warty for that matter...
[09:43] <viper12> tried xandros.......just didn't "feel" right to me. (of course I prefer gnome to kde, so that didn't help.)
[09:43] <Gagatan> dud hmm.. looks like you come from ngt *dsl or something.. correct?
[09:43] <fr500> hey
[09:44] <dud> Gagatan, yeah... trondheim
[09:44] <fr500> does anyone use webdownloader for x?
[09:44] <zhukov_> install
[09:44] <dud> fr500, d4x
[09:44] <Gagatan> dud: oh.. where?
[09:44] <dud> Gagatan, umm, romolslia
[09:44] <zhukov_> now its warty
[09:44] <fr500> dud, why is that the save to field in the new is always greyed
[09:44] <fr500> dud, even if i change it in the default settings still saves there
[09:44] <Gagatan> ok.. the not so sunny side of trondheim then
[09:44] <fr500> MyDownloads
[09:44] <dud> fr500, heh, I dunno... d4x works for me
[09:45] <dud> Gagatan, nah... slum of the scum
[09:45] <fr500> works for me to
[09:45] <fr500> but i want to chage the default save path
[09:45] <dud> somewhere in the options?
[09:45] <fr500> yes i change
[09:45] <dud> oh, there's this option for "always assume defaults" or such
[09:45] <fr500> but still it keeps saving at other place
[09:45] <fr500> let me see
[09:45] <dud> you have to turn that off
[09:46] <dud> Gagatan, hva er cassarossa?
[09:46] <fr500> dud, where?
[09:47] <dud> fr500, let me check real quick...
[09:47] <zhukov_> ..
[09:47] <Gagatan> dud: privmsg
[09:47] <fr500> oh, found it, still have to recheck it every time
[09:48] <dud> fr500, yeah
[09:48] <dud> was just about to tell you heh
[09:49] <fr500> still need work there i guess
[09:49] <fr500> maybe there is a config file i can tweak somewhere
[09:49] <codyman> hi.. whenever my screensaver starts.. after about 10 minutes the whole computer freezes.. any ideas?
[09:50] <mjr> buggy 3d drivers
[09:50] <froust> whenever i try to play a video in mplayer, the big screen goes blue, and the little control panel goes black... any idea why?
[09:50] <codyman> mjr: i have an ati.. could that be the problem?
[09:50] <mjr> wrokaround: don't use opengl screensavers
[09:50] <codyman> mjr: ok
[09:50] <codyman> but i recall it even freezing with non opengl screensavers...
[09:51] <mjr> then it might be something else; just my guess
[09:51] <occy> Anyone got an example of what a DHCP /etc/network/interfaces  should look like to use dhcp by default with eth0?
[09:51] <dud> froust, that happened to me when I tried to use a 32bit codec in my 64bit enviroment
[09:51] <fr500> occy, u mean dhcp server?
[09:52] <froust> i think i might have figured it out
[09:52] <Baldr> kbrooks, i tried that solution given in the forum... about the WinModem... but it didn't work
[09:52] <occy> fr500: I'm not setting up a dhcp server, I simply want to have my desktop automagically configure for dhcp at boot.
[09:52] <Gagatan> occy: auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp
[09:52] <fr500> why don't u use the gui
[09:52] <fr500> works fine
[09:52] <froust> weird.
[09:52] <occy> Gagatan: that's all you need?
[09:52] <froust> i can't click the video file and play it
[09:53] <froust> i have to open it from within mplayer.
[09:53] <Gagatan> occy: that's all I use for my laptop, so yes
[09:53] <occy> Gagatan: okies
[09:53] <Gagatan> man 5 interfaces
[09:53] <dud> froust, you could always submit a nice bug report about it?
[09:53] <froust> where would i do that?
[09:54] <dud> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[09:54] <fr500> in fc3 there was a file called ifcfg-eth0, is there some equivalent here?
[09:55] <dud> red hat and its myriad of config files... :o
[09:55] <mjr> /etc/network/interfaces
[09:55] <fr500> thx
[09:57] <fr500> i just want to have the name of my pc appear on my dhcp server, can't find how to do that here
[09:57] <gilles> if i install ubuntu, will it recognize my wifi card and my webcam ?
[09:57] <fr500> gilles, depends on hardware
[09:57] <heero1711> onthello
[09:57] <heero1711> if im using
[09:57] <heero1711> amd64
[09:57] <heero1711> what source list
[09:57] <heero1711> i need use?
[09:57] <heero1711> i dont know in where find it?
[09:57] <heero1711> i kan use the standart guide of 4.10?
[09:58] <dud> look at www.ubuntuguide.org heero1711
[09:58] <abelli> heero1711: yes
[09:58] <gilles> how are made the upgrade on ubuntu, via synaptics, aptitude and dselect ?
[09:58] <gilles> or apt-get ?
[09:58] <chris_d> Is anyone running a game server on Ubuntu?
[09:59] <chris_d> Anyone know where there's a good place to get help (on IRC) with game server issues?
[09:59] <fr500> apt-get
[09:59] <fr500> and synaptic
[09:59] <dud> chris_d, I'm pretty sure someone somewhere in the world is...
[09:59] <fr500> which kind of game server?
[09:59] <chris_d> CounterStrike
[09:59] <goldfish> chris_d: quakenet has loads of cs channels
[09:59] <goldfish> irc.quakenet.org
[09:59] <froust> what should i put as the package for it?
[09:59] <chris_d> goldfish: Thanks!
[10:00] <goldfish> np
[10:00] <dud> and google has hundreds of guides and howtos on setting up counter strike server on linux
[10:00] <goldfish> #cs-ireland!!!!!
[10:00] <fr500> chris_d i run one with wine
[10:00] <fr500> well cedega actually
[10:00] <fr500> you need some patches for the linux version
[10:00] <chris_d> dud: I've spent 3 days researching my problem with Google and others. I've found many references to the problem I'm having, but no solutions...
[10:01] <fr500> chris_d, i run a console dedicated server at home with cedega, almost zero issues, for dedicated server, probably wine runs as well
[10:01] <gilles> and how to update a new kernel... i mean, will it automatically install a newer kernel (like, for example, install you a 2.10 instead of the old 2.8) ?
[10:02] <chris_d> fr500: Sorry for being obtuse, but what is cedega?
[10:02] <dud> gilles, you can do that easily with apt
[10:02] <EndGame> cedega
[10:02] <dud> chris_d, its a windows emulator
[10:02] <EndGame> windows emulation
[10:02] <goldfish> do u have to pay for cedega?
[10:02] <gilles> dud: yes, but there's no difference with debian, right ?
[10:02] <bronson> Wow, evince is great!!  Other than a few bugs (which are forgivable -- it's brand new).
[10:02] <dud> gilles, just different repositories
[10:03] <dud> goldfish, only if you want "support"
[10:03] <chris_d> Thanks, folks!
[10:03] <sapphire> hello
[10:03] <gilles> i still can't see the differences between debian and ubuntu
[10:03] <goldfish> dud: ah right, i might give it a look, thanks
[10:03] <dud> which basically means you get access to their forums
[10:03] <sapphire> i need help,  i am new to this linux stuff,  can someone pm me please
[10:03] <Tarkus> yo, if i have the ubuntu .iso file on a cd, how do i install it on my computer, so that i can select on startup Ubuntu Linux, Windows XP??
[10:03] <goldfish> I was gonna try run cs 1.6 on wine, but from googling i got the impression it didnt work on wine
[10:03] <EndGame> sapphire, what you need?
[10:03] <dud> gilles, debian has a 3 years old 2.2.x kernel with no support for newer software
[10:04] <sapphire> i can't get connected to the internet
[10:04] <fr500> chris_d, it's a version of wine with hardware acceleration suppor
[10:04] <EndGame> irc seems to work fine :-)
[10:04] <sapphire> i installed it
[10:04] <fr500> chris_d, it's focused on games
[10:04] <jblack> dpkg seems broken for libgnomeprint-data. When I run dpkg --configure -a, dpkg sits there forever saying "setting up libgnomeprint-data (0.37-5)
[10:04] <sapphire> i am on another computer :)
[10:04] <EndGame> is net.eth0 started?
[10:04] <EndGame> and are you network settings correct
[10:04] <EndGame> check /etc/conf.d/net
[10:04] <Tarkus> yo, if i have the ubuntu .iso file on a cd, how do i install it on my computer, so that i can select on startup Ubuntu Linux, Windows XP??
[10:05] <goldfish> mount it with daemon tools?
[10:05] <goldfish> wait
[10:05] <goldfish> ignore that
[10:05] <dud> Tarkus, its generally best to have a bit of previous linux experience before trying to dual boot win xp and linux
[10:05] <fr500> Tarkus, burn it and install
[10:06] <dud> win xp is a real bitch when it comes to playing along....
[10:06] <fr500> dud, grub install just fine as defaults are mos of the times
[10:06] <dud> fr500, but not all of the time
[10:06] <fr500> right
[10:06] <goldfish> grub wouldnt install for me
[10:06] <mz2> Can't display location "sftp://..." how do i associate nautilus properly in hoary?
[10:06] <goldfish> during one install
[10:06] <mz2> in warty this worked fine
[10:09] <BrianAnthony> is there a program that anyone knows of besides k3b that can make a quick and dirty dvd data disk?
[10:09] <fr500> gnomebaker, dont know if quick or dirty fir there though
[10:10] <SeanQ> OK
[10:10] <SeanQ> Hi from win32
[10:10] <SeanQ> I'm only here because I'm working on partitions
[10:10] <SeanQ> Teh good news: I want to add 7 GB from Windows to Ubuntu
[10:10] <SeanQ> What should I use/do?
[10:10] <BrianAnthony> a match and some gasonline
[10:11] <BrianAnthony> gasoline, even =D
[10:11] <froust> Anyone know what the windows codecs for mplayer are?
[10:11] <kbrooks> i have a question.
[10:11] <kbrooks> my floppy is NOT being detected
[10:11] <kbrooks> how do i fix this
[10:12] <viper12> froust, the mplayer site has a codec pack for mplayer with instructions for where to install them. (includes the win codecs as well.)
[10:12] <froust> thanks viper.
[10:12] <viper12> notta prob. :)
[10:13] <Dr_Acemaster> man why are there so many updates w/ the latest released version, I have a fresh install and it's taking forever to update
[10:13] <Dr_Acemaster> how long has this release been out?
[10:13] <froust> i have the libavcodecs installed... no luck.
[10:13] <fr500> Dr_Acemaster, warty?
[10:14] <Dr_Acemaster> fr500 I believe it
[10:14] <fr500> next version is almost out
[10:14] <viper12> what type of file are you trying to play that is failing?
[10:15] <froust> .wmv
[10:15] <fr500> froust, apt-get install w32codec*
[10:15] <fr500> or something
[10:15] <apokryphos> Yeah. w32 codecs; follow the guide on the site for "restricted formats"
[10:15] <viper12> froust........did you download the 9meg codec pack from that site, and copy them to the right place already? -surprised.
[10:16] <Dr_Acemaster> what's a powerpc?
[10:16] <warty> any way to install grub using the livecd
[10:16] <fr500> an apple computer
[10:16] <fr500> McIntosh
[10:16] <Dr_Acemaster> ahh duh
[10:16] <fr500> i think
[10:16] <froust> i was reading the documentation, and it seems like libavcodec should work. i'll try the others tho :|
[10:16] <Dr_Acemaster> guess I just put that out of my mind since I despise apple
[10:17] <viper12> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[10:17] <viper12> go there froust.
[10:17] <viper12> you NEED the wmv codec in order for ANY linux player to play those win wmv files properly.
[10:18] <BrianAnthony> Dr_Acemaster: I despise you
[10:18] <froust> viper: i'm reading the readme now - just trying to find out where to unpack them
[10:19] <Dr_Acemaster> BrianAnthony why do you take it personal?
[10:19] <darkx> if my mbr gets overwritten, i can use the ubuntu cd to reinstall grub from recovery mode on the mbr right?
[10:19] <froust> could i have something to do with using amd64?
[10:19] <NeonLightning> thats what i was wondering too darkx
[10:19] <CountDown> How can I find out to which repository a package belongs?
[10:20] <NeonLightning> your talking about the livecd right darkx
[10:20] <froust> bah. i have to go to work. i'll deal with this later.. thanks though
[10:20] <viper12> Froust.......put them here:  /usr/local/lib/codecs/    and if the 'codecs' folder doesn't exist...just create it.
[10:20] <froust> okay
[10:20] <viper12> that was all it took for my system to be able to get playing em'.
[10:21] <darkx> no i have ubuntu installed, just wondering if i cant keep a windows install from touching the mbr, if i can use the recovery mode to restore it
[10:21] <Dr_Acemaster> BrianAnthony ?
[10:21] <sapphire> anyone use ubuntu?
[10:21] <SeanQ> no,
[10:21] <NeonLightning> lol
[10:21] <Spug> My keyboard is American all of a sudden, instead of Norwegian... And I can't figure out what key combination I pressed to change
[10:21] <SeanQ> we're just in #ubuntu for the hell of it
[10:21] <viper12> lol sapphire.
[10:21] <Dr_Acemaster> lmao
[10:21] <SeanQ> lmfao
[10:21] <sapphire> :(
[10:21] <SeanQ> don't worry about it
[10:21] <SeanQ> welocme!
[10:21] <SeanQ> welcome
[10:21] <SeanQ> see, i'm just as bad
[10:21] <CountDown> you've got to turn that frown upside down.
[10:22] <sapphire> what did i do?
[10:22] <SeanQ> asked if we used ubuntu
[10:22] <SeanQ> this is an ubuntu channel
[10:22] <SeanQ> we all use ubuntu
[10:22] <zyme> can anybody help me set up my networking stuff to allow me to connect to local ip address, like 10.0.8.50:4012?
[10:22] <CountDown> So, anyone know how to tell to which repository a package belongs?
[10:22] <sapphire> i need help,  i can't get connected to the internet
[10:23] <sapphire> i have it installed
[10:23] <Quest-Master> Do you use dial-up or broadband?
[10:23] <sapphire> dial up
[10:24] <sapphire> 2 computers
[10:25] <froust> noob question: how to i unpack a .tar.bz2?
[10:25] <apokryphos> froust: see man tar
[10:25] <sapphire> i didn't think it would be this hard
[10:25] <encKe`> anyone here run linux on a pda?
[10:26] <Spug> I probably suck, but I can't figure out what key combination I pressed to change my keyboard layout :/
[10:26] <froust> apokryphos: i'm doing it right, afaik, but it's buggering up
[10:26] <sapphire> i installed it on my laptop on a seperate drive
[10:26] <froust> aha!
[10:26] <vaquero368> alguien habbla espaol
[10:26] <apokryphos> froust: it's tar jxf package.tar.bz2
[10:26] <Spug> tar -xjf file.tar.bz2 ?
[10:27] <froust> i missed the sudo at the beginning :P
[10:27] <fr500> vaquero368, i do
[10:27] <apokryphos> sudo isn't necessary for unpacking
[10:27] <apokryphos> unless it's in a non-home directory
[10:27] <apokryphos> or in general one you don't have access to
[10:27] <occy> anyone here know much about vnc?  I have a friend that has an Ubuntu desktop I need to get access to remotely.  They have X already running and I can ssh to their box.  I need to setup vncclient on their machine so I can access their current display.
[10:28] <fr500> vncserver
[10:28] <froust> viper12: thanks for your help.
[10:28] <fr500> occy it's not complicated at all
[10:29] <sapphire> can someone pm me and help please?
[10:29] <occy> fr500: k...
[10:29] <apokryphos> vaquero368: see #ubuntu-es
[10:29] <fr500> occy, in the computer to be managed go to Computer menu - Desktop Preferences - Remote Desktop
[10:29] <occy> fr500: I'm sure I need to run some vncserver command or something.
[10:30] <fr500> there you can enable the server and set the password
[10:30] <fr500> then at the other pc you connect to the server by running the vncviewer command
[10:30] <fr500> there you enter the ip address and the password
[10:30] <fr500> nothing else nothing more
[10:30] <occy> okies :)
[10:30] <fr500> np
[10:32] <Dr_Acemaster> if I did the auto format when installin ubuntu, how does that usually configure the partitions?
[10:33] <Dr_Acemaster> ie 45% os, 45% home, 10% swap?
[10:33] <fr500> i think does an ext3 partition and a swap partition
[10:33] <Dr_Acemaster> that's it?
[10:33] <fr500> i think
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> no home partition
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> chit
[10:34] <fr500> by default it sets homes in the main partition
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> I'll prob have to do this whole thing over again
[10:34] <fr500> but it asks for you
[10:34] <NeonLightning> it all depends on how you do auto partition
[10:34] <NeonLightning> both are true
[10:34] <sapphire> i did the partition
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> well it said do you want to do auto, if so you can change later if you want
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> but never asked mea gain
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> unless I missed it, which is probably the case
[10:34] <Dr_Acemaster> I don't know how I missed it though
[10:35] <NeonLightning> any way to install grub using the livecd? .......anyone?
[10:35] <vaquero368> bye bye
[10:37] <EndGame> yeah
[10:37] <EndGame> boot to the livecd
[10:37] <msumu> hi endgame
[10:37] <EndGame> mount your root partition at /mnt/hippie, or whatever
[10:37] <EndGame> chroot into your hdd
[10:38] <EndGame> chroot /mnt/hippie /bin/bash
[10:38] <EndGame> env-update
[10:38] <EndGame> install grub,
[10:38] <EndGame> in gentoo, it would be emerge grub
[10:38] <EndGame> i dont know how your hippie os does it :-)
[10:38] <msumu> hey people
[10:38] <EndGame> then just run grub
[10:38] <EndGame> in grub type
[10:38] <EndGame> root(hd0)
[10:38] <EndGame> setup
[10:38] <EndGame> quit
[10:38] <EndGame> and you're done
[10:38] <trust> Hi there!
[10:39] <EndGame> then edit /boot/grub/grub.conf
[10:39] <NeonLightning> using apt-get witch i can't do unless i have the os installed witch it isn't(it screwed up when i was reinstalling)
[10:39] <EndGame> to your liking
[10:39] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:39] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:39] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:40] <EndGame> msumu, ask a few more times, and you may get an answer
[10:40] <msumu> again ?
[10:40] <NeonLightning> lol
[10:40] <zyme> hahaha
[10:40] <zyme> again!
[10:41] <msumu> ok
[10:41] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:41] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:41] <zyme> that was too many
[10:41] <msumu> is that enough ?
[10:41] <EndGame> that was too many
[10:41] <msumu> lol
[10:41] <NeonLightning> meh i'll just try reinstalling another 5 times i may get it right one of these times if all else fails i'll just go with a mandrake powerpack install
[10:41] <EndGame> leave the channel, and rejoin
[10:41] <EndGame> and ask again
[10:41] <EndGame> NeonLightning: install gentoo!
[10:41] <NeonLightning> i have no cd's left
[10:41] <msumu> ok one more time (for brithney fans)
[10:42] <NeonLightning> ahh well o
[10:42] <EndGame> NeonLightning: get some
[10:42] <EndGame> itll be worth it
[10:42] <EndGame> gentoo Doesnt Just Work(tm)
[10:42] <NeonLightning> buy me some i have 16 cents sitting on my counter thats all the money i have
[10:42] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:42] <EndGame> msumu you didnt leave and rejoint
[10:43] <EndGame> that doesnt count
[10:43] <EndGame> on the server im from being an asshole is how you get places :-)
[10:43] <EndGame> msumu, you'll need an encoder
[10:44] <EndGame> thats all the advice i have on that,
[10:44] <NeonLightning> ahh well i'm off to try and install (yet again)
[10:45] <EndGame> if ubuntu just works, why is old NeonLightning installing it again :-)
[10:45] <zyme> can anybody help me set up my networking stuff to allow me to connect to local ip address, like 10.0.8.50:4012?
[10:45] <EndGame> whats wrong with it, zyme
[10:46] <EndGame> are all the boxes on the same subnet?
[10:46] <EndGame> is the power plugged in
[10:46] <EndGame> can you ping them?
[10:46] <zyme> i cant ping them
[10:46] <zyme> when i try it just doesnt do anything at all
[10:46] <EndGame> add the boxes to /etc/hosts
     <box name>
[10:47] <EndGame> it cant resolve the name
[10:47] <EndGame> i assume
[10:47] <zyme> is the box name special or can i just make it anything i want?
[10:47] <msumu> yep i did it
[10:47] <EndGame> it should be whatever the hostname is on the other computers
[10:47] <zyme> what i dont know?
[10:47] <msumu> i got "mencoder"
[10:48] <msumu> and mplayer
[10:48] <msumu> whut do i need more
[10:48] <EndGame> type hostname into each of the other boxes
[10:48] <EndGame> and ifconfig
[10:48] <EndGame> note the hostname and ip address
[10:48] <EndGame> unless you're using dhcp
[10:48] <EndGame> then....
[10:48] <EndGame> then i dont know
[10:48] <zyme> i am using dhcp
[10:48] <zyme> heh
[10:48] <EndGame> um
[10:48] <EndGame> see if your router supports static dhcp
[10:49] <EndGame> assign the same ip to a computer based on its mac address
[10:49] <zyme> i dont have a router
[10:49] <EndGame> wtf
[10:49] <EndGame> how are your computer wired together
[10:49] <zyme> ah
[10:49] <zyme> i may have given the wrong idea
[10:49] <zyme> im connected to a college network
[10:49] <EndGame> oh
[10:50] <EndGame> and you want to get into somebody elses computer
[10:50] <msumu> how can i make xvid movies with this ubuntu ?
[10:50] <EndGame> but you cant even ping it
[10:50] <zyme> im just plugged into the wall, and all the other computers plugged into the wall can connect to each other using their private ips, all of which start with 10.*
[10:50] <zyme> yeah
[10:50] <trust> msumu, I have no idea
[10:50] <EndGame> do a tracepath on yahoo.com and google.com
[10:50] <EndGame> note any address that start with 10.*
[10:50] <EndGame> download nmap
[10:50] <msumu> you mean it ?
[10:50] <EndGame> :-)
[10:50] <trust> msumu, Yeah
[10:50] <EndGame> now this is my area
[10:51] <msumu> how can I trust you
[10:51] <msumu> ?
[10:51] <zyme> ok...what is nmap?
[10:51] <mseney> in regards to synaptic and apt-get, today the system notification icon didn't apear stating there were updates available, however when I ran $sudo apt-get update and then $sudo apt-get upgrade I had updates to install, why didn't I get a system notification?
[10:51] <trust> zyme, I know it may sound silly, but does your IP start with 10.*?
[10:51] <Lee__> nmap is rad
[10:51] <EndGame> a port scanner
[10:51] <trust> msumu, you can't.
[10:51] <EndGame> yeah
[10:51] <EndGame> trust
[10:51] <zyme> trust: i have a private ip and a public ip
[10:51] <EndGame> it does
[10:51] <Lee__> nmap -sS -O ip.address
[10:51] <trust> thought it did
[10:52] <EndGame> he'll have to use -P0
[10:52] <EndGame> he cant ping any other host
[10:52] <msumu> trust : are you confused dude ?
[10:52] <trust> msumu, no
[10:52] <trust> msumu, just insane.
[10:52] <EndGame> actually zyme: download netcat while you're at it
[10:52] <zyme> lol ok
[10:52] <EndGame> what college you go to
[10:52] <EndGame> alot are pretty harsh about hax0ring
[10:52] <EndGame> er
[10:52] <EndGame> all are, actually
[10:52] <zyme> south dakota school of mines and technology
[10:53] <zyme> i can connect fine with a windows machine
[10:53] <trust> zomg the l33t h4x0r =(
[10:53] <EndGame> ah
[10:53] <EndGame> like
[10:53] <msumu> this time I trust you
[10:53] <zyme> im pretty sure it isnt against the rules
[10:53] <EndGame> file shares?
[10:53] <zyme> yeah
[10:53] <EndGame> install samba
[10:53] <zyme> its just a direct connect hub
[10:53] <trust> msumu, silly you
[10:53] <EndGame> and samba client
[10:53] <EndGame> :-)
[10:53] <zyme> samba!
[10:53] <zyme> ok
[10:53] <mz2> hmm, i managed to screw up my Firefox. when i try installing it, i get "mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory"
[10:53] <msumu> you stinky ass brit
[10:53] <mz2> that's when it tries updating the chrome registry
[10:53] <mz2> is there a way of doing that manually
[10:54] <EndGame> do you know the hostname of the computer you're trying to connect to, zyme?
[10:54] <zyme> no
[10:54] <zyme> i dont think i need to though
[10:54] <zyme> unless windows magically knew somehow
[10:54] <msumu> trust : you tea pissing brit!
[10:54] <zyme> i know the port though
[10:55] <zyme> :/
[10:55] <msumu> get my leg tru ya face
[10:55] <trust> msumu, wow
[10:55] <trust> msumu, how obvious
[10:55] <EndGame> actually
[10:55] <cybrjackle> anyone know what gcc -v array-5 was spun with?
[10:55] <EndGame> you probly just need samba and cifs support built into your kernel
[10:55] <trust> you could've at least come up with a decent insult =(
[10:55] <Dr_Acemaster> when I installed ubuntu it never asked for root pass, how come?
[10:55] <msumu> you brit 4 real dude ?
[10:55] <Dr_Acemaster> where do I set it at?
[10:55] <trust> uh
[10:55] <trust> Yeah O_o
[10:56] <zyme> ok
[10:56] <msumu> there is no root w/ ubuntu
[10:56] <zyme> i can probably figure the samba stuff out since there is a guide for it
[10:56] <Dr_Acemaster> there is no root? hmm...
[10:56] <Dr_Acemaster> why not?
[10:56] <msumu> yes
[10:56] <Spug> sudo all the way, baby
[10:56] <zyme> http://10.254.0.50/account/whatsmypubip.php is supposed to tell me my ip information, but i cant connect to it, for example
[10:56] <msumu> because this is a friendly....
[10:57] <msumu> dr_acemaster : if you asked for password just give the one &only you set
[11:00] <encKe`> man my soundblaster live sounds like crapola!
[11:00] <mjr> encKe`, try lowering the pcm volume a bit if it's full
[11:01] <mseney> is it possible to get ubuntu to playback music w/ the same quality as Windows. For example I played streaming radio from both my Windows system and my Ubuntu system from the same radio channel w/ the same speakers but the windows box sounds much better?
[11:02] <mseney> could this be because Realplayer for Linux doesn't have an EQ ?
[11:02] <compmanio36> mseney, what do you have for sound card?
[11:02] <msumu> Dr_icemaster : http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?s=6c1291b9b1b85c1143e67c5c4016b4f4&
[11:02] <mjr> can't know about realplayer, but linux doesn't inherently make audio sound bad...
[11:03] <mseney> compmanio36, um the ubuntu machine has a built in AC97 and the other a cheap PCI ESS Allegro
[11:03] <mseney> compmanio36, VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20)
[11:04] <mseney> i was trying to show off linux to my girlfriend but failed w/ that one
[11:04] <compmanio36> integrated AC97s arent that great, but shouldnt be too bad
[11:05] <mseney> compmanio36, does one really need to buy a decent sound card to get really nice sound?
[11:05] <mseney> or is it more dependant on the speaker system?
[11:05] <compmanio36> it is more based on your speakers
[11:06] <compmanio36> cause the biggest problems with integrated or cheap sound cards is that the higher up in volume you go, the tinnier and more distorted the sound gets
[11:06] <mseney> I bought a Logitech 2.1 system 32Watts RMS they sound excellent, i really want to get the same sound from plugging them into my linxu box
[11:06] <compmanio36> it's weird, I have a SoundMax card in Windows, but dual boot to Ubuntu and it comes up as an AC97
[11:06] <compmanio36> the soundmax drivers sound better
[11:07] <compmanio36> but I can keep my volume about halfway and crank my speakers, cause I have an Altec-Lansing spkr/sub set
[11:07] <mseney> so to fix this problem maybe i need a better sound card that linux has decent drivers built into the kernel?
[11:08] <compmanio36> you've got a sub set on your linux box?
[11:08] <compmanio36> good spkrs anyway
[11:08] <mseney> i used the same 2.1 setup, 2 satellites and 1 sub
[11:09] <mseney> and it sounds way better on the windows machine
[11:09] <Odin2347> Hi
[11:09] <compmanio36> yeah, don't crank up the sound on your mixer, keep it down and crank the volume manually on the speakers
[11:09] <mseney> i'll have to try it again later
[11:10] <unnameablePLAYER> i run mine out thru my wireless headphones and a full fledged 160W 5 speaker suurrond sound boombox that was useless cause the CD was broken, but has found new life and meaning
[11:10] <mseney> i should try using xmms and a CD so i can play w/ a EQ
[11:10] <mseney> unnameablePLAYER, nice!
[11:10] <mseney> is xmms pretty much what everyone uses on ubuntu for playing cd's, mp3, ogg's, etc..??
[11:10] <Odin2347> hi
[11:10] <unnameablePLAYER> yes first time I have every come close to leveraging all them mp3s
[11:11] <compmanio36> for the most part
[11:11] <EndGame> xmms = the goodness
[11:11] <unnameablePLAYER> xmms, rhtymbox, xine, juk mpd amarok
[11:11] <compmanio36> i use the music player sometimes, just cause I can min it to the tray
[11:11] <cg0def> mseney: if you use gnome you'd probably like beep-media-player better
[11:11] <compmanio36> but I don't like it's layout at all
[11:11] <unnameablePLAYER> amarok will be nice once it get stable
[11:12] <EndGame> Odin2347: look into gentoo
[11:12] <EndGame> its more satisfying
[11:12] <EndGame> :-)
[11:12] <mseney> cg0def, yeah i use gnome now.
[11:12] <mseney> cg0def, ubuntu converted me back to it
[11:12] <Odin2347> ahhh...satanic texts running across the screen of my computer for 2 days....*shudders*
[11:12] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: It's very nice now ;-), and pretty stable. CVS now is probably more stable than the 1.2
[11:12] <compmanio36> LOL
[11:12] <Dr_Acemaster> you guys know of a screensaver for linux like the aquarium for winxp?
[11:12] <Odin2347> lol
[11:12] <apokryphos> unstable means developement -- good sign ;-)
[11:12] <cg0def> mseney: well I still like debian better
[11:13] <compmanio36> why would you crawl back to Gates's feet?
[11:13] <cg0def> mseney: the new gnome kinda syx in some places
[11:13] <EndGame> Dr_Acemaster: emerge xscreensaver
[11:13] <Odin2347> is ubuntu a livecd?
[11:13] <cg0def> mseney: like the applications menu
[11:13] <EndGame> theres an aquerium in there somewhere
[11:13] <apokryphos> Odin2347: Ubuntu is a very good distro to start with
[11:13] <compmanio36> linux is a bit harder, but well worth it in terms of freedom and ability to customise
[11:13] <Lee__> I'm looking for a wireless network browser in Gnome. looks like it's still in development.
[11:13] <mseney> brb
[11:13] <apokryphos> Odin2347: There is one, but there is also a proper distro.
[11:13] <compmanio36> Ubuntu is the first distro I have liked
[11:13] <unnameablePLAYER> yes ubuntu is great for getting started
[11:13] <Lee__> kismet is cool but hard to recomend to others
[11:13] <Odin2347> i'm looking for a distro with good hardware support
[11:14] <Odin2347> i haven't found a distro that detects my wireless card yet
[11:14] <Lee__> Odin2347: what's the card?
[11:14] <compmanio36> I tried Mandrake 9.1 back when, and I hated it, nothing worked right
[11:14] <jacquesmerde> what combinations and permutations of upgrades and dist-upgrades do hoary users here use to keep their systems up to date?
[11:14] <compmanio36> Centrino?
[11:14] <Odin2347> dlink dwl g520
[11:14] <searcher`> unnameablePLAYER: i'm not a starter, but i like ubuntu anyways ;-)
[11:14] <apokryphos> Odin2347: Try Ubuntu; hardware support seems pretty good.
[11:14] <Odin2347> even with kanotix that has madwifi it doesn't work
[11:14] <unnameablePLAYER> rpm distros just dont work in the long run, at least not in my experience
[11:14] <compmanio36> Ubuntu doesn't recognize my Lexmark x4270 all-in-one bada$$ printer
[11:14] <Lee__> check that chipset, it might not have open source drivers. Some cards need a proprietary firmware wrapper.
[11:15] <searcher`> Odin2347: not all wireless cards are supported, you could try looking at ndiswrapper
[11:15] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: What "doesn't work" about them?
[11:15] <unnameablePLAYER> apokryphos, they stop working right...
[11:15] <Odin2347> i know
[11:15] <Dr_Acemaster> there's an xfishtank that is grayed out in the list of screensavers, how do I install taht?
[11:15] <Odin2347> ndiswrapper doesn't work either
[11:15] <Odin2347> i've tried
[11:15] <compmanio36> that and gaming is the only reason I keep windows around
[11:15] <msumu> trust ?
[11:15] <unnameablePLAYER> it didn't take long for fedora3 to start getting dependecy probs
[11:15] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: Erm, well, I'm quite sure that's not the norm. I used Mandrake and Fedora and tried out SuSE briefly, and never had problems with RPMs.
[11:16] <Lee__> you may be SOL. some cards have Windows only drivers but do some reading on google before you return it.
[11:16] <compmanio36> but I have found Lexmark and M$ are in cahoots together
[11:16] <unnameablePLAYER> which i havent had yet with ubuntu
[11:16] <cg0def> ndiswraper DOES work but it's a pain to get it working
[11:16] <Lee__> compmanio36: http://www.transgaming.com
[11:16] <compmanio36> yeah, cedega, I know
[11:16] <compmanio36> never been able to get it to work though
[11:16] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: Oh, sure. Ubuntu has far better repos, imo. That debian backbone.
[11:16] <Lee__> with nvidia or ATI drivers it's all point and click.
[11:16] <mez> anyone around to help me out?
[11:17] <AbyX> hey why cant i do this? dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[11:17] <Odin2347> does ubuntu have a hardware list
[11:17] <Lee__> the radeon driver with xfree is lame though.
[11:17] <Odin2347> i'd like to see if my wireless card/soundcard are on it
[11:17] <msumu> trust are u there dude ?
[11:17] <jacquesmerde> what combinations and permutations of upgrades and dist-upgrades do hoary users here use to keep their systems up to date?
[11:17] <Lee__> Odin2347: Linux has a hardware list.
[11:17] <unnameablePLAYER> i found a linux unsupported hardware wiki that might come in handy, if I can find the link
[11:18] <cg0def> Odin2347: hardware list for ubuntu are you nuts?
[11:18] <Odin2347> ??
[11:18] <compmanio36> someone offered me a ATI 9700 Pro for $75, but I turned him down just cause of the crappy support by ATI for Linux AND Windoze
[11:18] <cg0def> Odin2347: all that is the same for all linux distros
[11:18] <Odin2347> most distros have a hardware database
[11:18] <cg0def> Odin2347: the drivers in linux are kept in the kernel
[11:18] <Dr_Acemaster> fresh install of ubuntu here, how come the fonts are harder to read, especially in xchat? ie they're not clear like in windows
[11:18] <Odin2347> uhh how come my soundard only works on some distros then
[11:18] <compmanio36> I like my nVidia GeForce 3 Ti
[11:19] <mez> Hi - Just installed ubuntu - and dont know how to get my sound card working
[11:19] <compmanio36> different kernels Odin
[11:19] <Dr_Acemaster> compmanio36: that's what I have :)
[11:19] <Odin2347> is ubuntu KDE?
[11:19] <Lee__> Odin2347: the only way a distro would have different hardware support is if they have a custom kernel. hardware support is in the kernel.
[11:19] <compmanio36> every game I have runs on it
[11:19] <Odin2347> ahh
[11:19] <Riddell> Odin2347: not yet
[11:19] <compmanio36> no Ubuntu is Gnome
[11:19] <unnameablePLAYER> http://www.leenooks.com/
[11:19] <Odin2347> ew
[11:19] <cg0def> Odin2347: your sound card is most likelly supported but if you need to be sure look at alsa's site the wireless probably would need a lot of configuration and might not really work
[11:19] <Odin2347> i hate gnome
[11:19] <apokryphos> Odin2347: The primary desktop environment is Gnome, but you can have KDE on it too.
[11:19] <compmanio36> I love it
[11:19] <compmanio36> hate HATE KDE
[11:19] <Odin2347> ahh
[11:19] <unnameablePLAYER> leenooks is the unsupported hardware
[11:19] <Lee__> then install Debian Sarge and run KDE.
[11:20] <compmanio36> was a lot of the cause of my bad experience with Mandrake
[11:20] <unnameablePLAYER> kde keeps getting better and better :)
[11:20] <apokryphos> Odin2347: I run KDE; it's pretty smooth. KDE 3.4 is going to get ported in the repos soon.
[11:20] <cg0def> Lee_: the only reason why you would want to use sarge is if you have a server
[11:20] <compmanio36> just don't like it, looks too unpolished, I have to hunt around for the simplist things
[11:20] <Lee__> cg0def: then why is my desktop system running Sarge?
[11:20] <unnameablePLAYER> kde has about a gazillion options
[11:20] <Odin2347> yea
[11:20] <cg0def> Lee__: well that's your problem
[11:20] <compmanio36> Gnome, everything is right there, streamlined, looks professional and not cluttered
[11:21] <Lee__> hasn't been a problem
[11:21] <Lee__> I don't get it?
[11:21] <mseney> cg0def, im not setup to the universe. so i can't apt-get it. if i setup to the universe doesn't that mean i won't get security updates for programs i get from it?
[11:21] <trust> msumu, sorry, I wasn't
[11:21] <mseney> cg0def, in regards to that media player
[11:21] <apokryphos> Things such as "cluttered" and "crammed" and "unnecessary options" are a matter of different scope and largely subjective.
[11:21] <Pyre> ACTION coughs
[11:21] <compmanio36> true
[11:21] <apokryphos> I don't think KDE is for everyone, and obviously neither is Gnome best suited to everyone
[11:21] <unnameablePLAYER> the only thing I absolutely have against KDE is artsd
[11:21] <Lee__> unnameablePLAYER: you can turn that off
[11:21] <unnameablePLAYER> other than that I prefer kde for the most part
[11:22] <Lee__> I'm fond of the KDE GPG front end.
[11:22] <trust> I prefer kde to gnome =(
[11:22] <apokryphos> unnameablePLAYER: it's actually officially unmaintained now.
[11:22] <unnameablePLAYER> Lee__, not tottally
[11:22] <cg0def> mseney: I am not really sure where the player was but if you add universe I don't think there are any security updates for it
[11:22] <Odin2347> wow according to this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards my wireless card should work out of the box
[11:22] <unnameablePLAYER> artsd still finds ways to rear its ugly soundcard hogging head
[11:22] <apokryphos> hehe
[11:22] <compmanio36> I like Gnome cause I am an orderly person, other people like KDE for various reasons, but ppl like me that haven't been with Linux for that long find too many options and components confusing, so KISS is my motto for right nw
[11:22] <mseney> cg0def, yeah i think i'll pass on that then.
[11:22] <cg0def> mseney: but you don't really need security updates for pkg from universe as long as you update the versions
[11:23] <cg0def> for one you are never going to get security updates for xmms
[11:23] <unnameablePLAYER> this has happened with ubuntu a few times as well, with esd
[11:23] <Lee__> I'm just sore wifi browsing doesn't have a Gnome front end.
[11:23] <compmanio36> and I have had no problems in adding things to Ubuntu so far
[11:23] <mseney> cg0def, why not any for xmms?
[11:23] <cg0def> the security updates deal mostly with your core componets
[11:23] <unnameablePLAYER> there should be a whole nother wrapper watches the sound card and protects it
[11:23] <mseney> oh
[11:23] <Lee__> unnameablePLAYER: you mess with JACK at all?
[11:23] <OmniColos> I would like to have eap-ttls for wifi on ppc ubuntu
[11:23] <unnameablePLAYER> i never wanna trype killall anything to get my sound working again
[11:24] <Odin2347> woohoo my wireless card might work
[11:24] <compmanio36> like Windows Update won't update your RealPlayer, but just system components
[11:24] <unnameablePLAYER> OmniColos, i never got far with it
[11:24] <cg0def> mseney:plus bmp is based on xmms and if there is a vulnarability in xmms and it gets fixed it will be fixed for bmp too
[11:24] <Slackman> hey guys, does anyone build hoary iso's here?
[11:24] <heero1711> hello
[11:24] <msumu> trust : could tell on some soft that 'd make divx in ubuntu
[11:24] <unnameablePLAYER> i dont understand jack, really and what it does
[11:24] <msumu> ?
[11:24] <mseney> cg0def, k thanks.
[11:24] <heero1711> ubuntu have a different
[11:24] <mseney> brb going to install it
[11:24] <heero1711> source.list
[11:24] <heero1711> for amd 64?
[11:24] <Lee__> jack is a sound server, like artsd, but it works good  :)
[11:24] <unnameablePLAYER> beep is a gui for xmms, then?
[11:24] <trust> msumu, you asking if I know of any?
[11:25] <OmniColos> unnameablePLAYER yeah I tired wap_supplicant but it does not seem to support airport, and xsupplicant is beyond my ability to configure
[11:25] <Lee__> and supports interapplication patching. it's a bit complicated but really neat if you work with a lot of audio programs.
[11:25] <cg0def> not exactly BMP is a fork of xmms
[11:25] <heero1711> anyone whatis the source.list for amd64
[11:25] <heero1711> ?
[11:25] <cg0def> right now BMP still uses the same engine as xmms but eventually they will switch to gstreamer (if I am not mistaken) because it is better
[11:26] <msumu> trust : yes i am asking if you got one that works
[11:26] <will_> ah! where is the mod(something) that i add for example 'apm to?
[11:26] <trust> msumu, I haven't =(
[11:26] <will_> sorry 'apm'
[11:26] <will_> BMP rules
[11:27] <unnameablePLAYER> it would be nice to see more concentration upon a single framework all apps can use easily
[11:27] <NOVA> hi
[11:27] <unnameablePLAYER> then its just who can write the best gui/plugin system
[11:27] <Dr_Acemaster> anyone here using firefox and have shockwave installed?
[11:27] <cg0def> unnameablePLAYER: what do you mean?
[11:27] <NOVA> any can give a source.list for amd64
[11:27] <unnameablePLAYER> cg0def, ie, gstreamer
[11:27] <unnameablePLAYER> shockwave dont work on linux
[11:28] <unnameablePLAYER> afaik
[11:28] <Dr_Acemaster> no chit
[11:28] <Dr_Acemaster> hmm...
[11:28] <apokryphos> You can still get the plugin for it; see the Firefox FAQ.
[11:28] <cg0def> well shockwave is commercial and Macromedia is slacking really bad
[11:28] <Nekohayo> quick question: is there a way to tell rsync to exclude hidden files?
[11:28] <apokryphos> Don't remember how to do it; been a long time since I used it.
[11:28] <Ominus> how can i install as USRobotics 5610 FaxModem PCI?
[11:28] <cg0def> no support for 64bit wtf
[11:28] <unnameablePLAYER> i think macromedia bought if from some other company and there are liscencing issues
[11:29] <will_> ok, found what i was looking for: /etc/modules
[11:29] <crimsun> NOVA: for warty or hoary?
[11:29] <cg0def> unnameablePLAYER: as far as gstreamer goes it is nice but still hasn't reached 1.0 so it's not exactly stable. But I still like it a lot
[11:29] <NOVA> for warty
[11:29] <NOVA> crimsun, por warty, please
[11:30] <tomaraya> hello
[11:30] <unnameablePLAYER> it seems to be a pain to configure too
[11:30] <crimsun> NOVA: join #flood
[11:30] <cblack> hrm. anyone familiar with htaccess rewrite rules? rather than just doing a deny from <ip> i want to send that IP to a different page on the site.
[11:30] <mez> hmm hoe do i make the default medai playe play MP3s>?
[11:30] <apokryphos> or better just use a pastebin service, like www.pastebin.com
[11:31] <apokryphos> Mez: you want to change the default mp3 player, or play mp3s?
[11:31] <Mez> just play mp3s :D
[11:31] <Mez> to test that my soundcard is right :D
[11:31] <unnameablePLAYER> now that is annoying... the install should automatically take car of all them stupid codecs... yes i know licsense issues
[11:31] <apokryphos> Mez: You can either (i) install an mp3 player like amaroK, or (ii) get the codecs.
[11:32] <compmanio36> yeah, that is the only thing that gets me about Ubuntu
[11:32] <pam> crimsun, sources.list for amd64?
[11:32] <Lee__> cool, Novell is developing the gnome wireless switcher  http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?wselect
[11:32] <unnameablePLAYER> maybe have one package you could install that would take care of all that 3rd party stuff like divx, java, flash, etc
[11:32] <compmanio36> not ready out of the box when it is supposed to be "the" Linux for everyone
[11:32] <Lee__> unnameablePLAYER: you should talk to the codec developers about that.
[11:32] <apokryphos> Mez: if the mp3s aren't playing you need the codecs
[11:32] <jakejarvis|away> question: what's the equivalent to windows "ipconfig" in ubuntu
[11:32] <unnameablePLAYER> ifconfig
[11:32] <jakejarvis|away> lol thanks!
[11:32] <Lee__> jakejarvis|away: ifconfig -a
[11:32] <apokryphos> Mez: follow this guide:
[11:33] <apokryphos> %tell Mez ubusources
[11:33] <Pyre> Mez: http://youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list
[11:33] <Mez> they're playing ow with XMMS
[11:33] <compmanio36> you have to go around messing with config files to get the correct repositories, then get all your packages, etc etc
[11:33] <unnameablePLAYER> yes, MS had to change the spelling of all those old unix apps
[11:33] <Lee__> compmanio36: did you buy Ubuntu in a box?
[11:33] <Ominus> how can i install as USRobotics 5610 FaxModem PCI?
[11:33] <apokryphos> Mez: oh, ok, cool.
[11:33] <Dr_Acemaster> so when installin anything, you don't ahve to be root, since there is no root in ubuntu?
[11:33] <compmanio36> no, but that is how they tote it
[11:33] <Mez> now - a couple of other things
[11:33] <Lee__> Ithough there might be a boxed version out there. that'd be cool
[11:33] <crimsun> pam: have you joined #flood?
[11:33] <unnameablePLAYER> no you have to sudo
[11:33] <Mez> 1) will Ubuntu work with my USB sondcard (well - headset)
[11:34] <crimsun> Mez: yes
[11:34] <Mez> and 2) on the livcd it recognised my NTFS partitions - I assume I'm going to have to edit the default install to get it ro pick up thiose (please dont make me recompile the kernel)
[11:34] <compmanio36> I mean, I can and DID do everything to get my system the way I want it, but if they are going to tote it as a Linux for beginners, beginners and grandparents dont want to have to mess around with config files and root commands and all that other BS
[11:34] <unnameablePLAYER> the sudo thing is a really novel idea, at least to me
[11:34] <nan> Ominus: you have to go to the Computer | System Configuration | Network menu and add your setup
[11:35] <unnameablePLAYER> yeah and nautilus should at least ask for passwords, users when feeling out CIFS
[11:35] <Lee__> you can even add the NOPASSWD: ALL to the sudoers file and you don't need a passsword!
[11:35] <compmanio36> they just want it to WORK, out of the box, and THAT is why so many people that aren't geeks or nerds, whatever you call them, stick with Windows, cause like it or not, it just WORKS (at least for a while) out of the box
[11:35] <Ominus> nan, sure... but it's not recognizing...
[11:35] <OmniColos> is there someone who knows how to setup eap-ttls on ibook/airport?
[11:36] <Lee__> compmanio36: then your grandparents should use a more simplified commercial OS.
[11:36] <Lee__> one that's more like an appliance than a personal computer.
[11:36] <schasi> compmanio36: ack. same with me, as linux seems to hate me or i am just too dumb
[11:36] <Nekohayo> hmm, is there a way to tell rsync to exclude hidden files? (I've read the fine manual numerous times)
[11:36] <unnameablePLAYER> your grandmother probably wont be bitching about not being able to play mp3s tho
[11:36] <nan> Ominus: you might have a driver problem then.  That problem is above my pay grade unfortunately.
[11:36] <compmanio36> it has nothing to do with being dumb, just your comfort level with computers
[11:36] <Lee__> probably not
[11:37] <compmanio36> I am not saying Ubuntu is bad, in fact it is the best distro out there right now, I think, but I think it has a ways to go until it can truly be called "the linux for everyone"
[11:37] <Tomcat_> Agreed. :o
[11:38] <Ominus> nan, i see... that's the problem.. but i already got the drivers from USRobotics website.. and still don't work
[11:38] <apokryphos> There will never be a Linux for everyone ;-)
[11:38] <unnameablePLAYER> its a mighty big step in the right direction, I grant them that
[11:38] <compmanio36> and sure my grandmother will, when she clicks on a link on her country music website and she calls me up saying it won't play
[11:38] <Lee__> then buy her Windows XP media center addition and promise to come over when she opens that next email worm.
[11:39] <Lee__> or find a commercial OS that's embedded and not based on wither Linux OR Windows.
[11:39] <Nekohayo> or to call microsh... to activate it
[11:39] <compmanio36> where do you think I get most of my business from? :)
[11:39] <Tomcat_> The problem is that there currently is no OS for everyone... :I
[11:39] <Nekohayo> mac os?
[11:39] <unnameablePLAYER> the main thing I miss is being able to watch video clips that stream out of those stupid popup boxes that want REAL or wmp active x controls
[11:39] <trust> Lee__, a bsd?
[11:39] <Ominus> anyone can help me installin an USRobotics WinModem?
[11:39] <Lee__> OS X isn't bad. Cheaper than Windows.
[11:39] <apokryphos> There never will be an OS for everyone. There will always be an OS for the masses
[11:40] <compmanio36> old grandparents that have installed spyware and viruses on their Windows boxes
[11:40] <trust> hm
[11:40] <Lee__> that sounds horriblly boring.
[11:40] <compmanio36> but you have to buy the $500+ Mac with it
[11:40] <trust> isn't mac osx l/unix based?
[11:40] <compmanio36> yes
[11:40] <Lee__> yeah, BSD
[11:40] <trust> ah
[11:40] <compmanio36> Mac can't even have their own OS anymore
[11:40] <trust> heh
[11:40] <compmanio36> but you have to admit it, MacOS Classic..........just sucked
[11:40] <unnameablePLAYER> Ominus, you might get more traction if you pasted the error messages or something you were getting
[11:41] <compmanio36> I had more crashes and problems with that than any other OS ever
[11:41] <compmanio36> now at least OSX is fairly reliable
[11:41] <compmanio36> and I do like the look
[11:41] <Mez> anyone can help me with any of this
[11:41] <Mez> 1) get my USB headset working
[11:41] <unnameablePLAYER> its still proprietary company thats paranoid and nasty
[11:41] <Mez> 2) get my webcam working
[11:41] <Mez> 3) get my TV/Radio card working
[11:42] <Ominus> unnameablePLAYER well.. Ubuntu can't recognize my modem...
[11:42] <Nekohayo> ... no one's comfortable with rsync out there? o_o
[11:42] <unnameablePLAYER> tv card might need xawtv
[11:43] <compmanio36> ooh, speaking of modems, how would one go about dialing into an ISP using Ubuntu....right now I have broadband, but since I have no job, I may end up getting low-cost dialup *shivers*
[11:43] <unnameablePLAYER> compmanio36, dont do that...
[11:43] <Mez> root@apathy:/media/hd0 # apt-get install xawtv
[11:43] <Mez> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:43] <Mez> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:43] <Mez> E: Couldn't find package xawtv
[11:43] <compmanio36> well.......not like I have much choice
[11:44] <unnameablePLAYER> sell plasma :)
[11:44] <sacha__> hi
[11:44] <compmanio36> can't afford $45/mon for brdbnd
[11:44] <compmanio36> LOL
[11:44] <compmanio36> can't
[11:44] <compmanio36> can't donate blood at least
[11:44] <compmanio36> so I think plasma is out too
[11:44] <Mez> any ideas for any of those 3?
[11:44] <Mez> hmm
[11:45] <sacha__> i was just wondering why my ubuntu (hoary) uses up 300mb ram and 5% cpu when it is idle?
[11:45] <compmanio36> I have seen it is the X server mostly
[11:45] <compmanio36> mine uses 20% at idle and it is all the X server or some unknown process that doesn't show up in the list
[11:46] <compmanio36> and I use only 200mb RAM @ idle, but still.....
[11:46] <sacha__> still 200 is alot
[11:46] <compmanio36> luckily I have a gig of RDRAM in this thing
[11:46] <sacha__> i don't have xserver running
[11:47] <compmanio36> you aren't running Gnome?
[11:47] <kent> I know its a bit off topic, but can some one who uses windows at the moment send me a screenshot of the startmenu? I want to have a look at how the icon looks like on the panel for the start menu.
[11:47] <sacha__> and all the processes in the window report 0% cpu
[11:47] <sacha__> well xserver isn't there
[11:47] <compmanio36> yeah, same here
[11:47] <compmanio36> X........somehting
[11:47] <zenrox> kent go look at diviantart.com
[11:47] <Odin2347> has anyone here had any good experiences with wireless and ubuntu?
[11:47] <compmanio36> can't remember what it says on the list
[11:47] <zenrox> deviantart.com
[11:48] <sacha__> wireless what?
[11:48] <compmanio36> LOL, "good" experiences
[11:48] <Odin2347> yea
[11:48] <Odin2347> wireless cards..
[11:48] <sacha__> naa i just have the wireless router on this comp
[11:48] <Odin2347> ah
[11:50] <Steppenwolf> Quick question:  For the latest release, what file systems are supported by the installer?
[11:50] <kaos> just hook it up to the ethernet port then go to Computer>System Configuration>Networking on panel
[11:50] <kaos> add connection
[11:50] <Odin2347> my wireless card is on the hardware database as "works out of the box"
[11:51] <kent> zenrox, ok, thanks
[11:52] <kaos> click on 'add' forward then click on ethernet and then next
[11:52] <Mez> anyone know how toinstal xawtv quickly?>
[11:52] <Mez> cant seem to find it on apt
[11:53] <kaos> no you click on wireless thyen next
[11:53] <Odin2347> hmm
[11:53] <Odin2347> ok
[11:53] <Odin2347> is there a livecd version of ubuntu
[11:53] <kaos> yes
[11:53] <sacha__> damn 62 packages to be upgraded
[11:53] <Odin2347> does it have wireless support
[11:54] <kaos> don't know never used it
[11:54] <Odin2347> :?
[11:54] <Odin2347> :/
[11:54] <kaos> But I have one with my distro
[11:54] <Mez> if a module is listed in lsmod then it's loaded right
[11:54] <sid77> hi
[11:55] <kaos> Odin2347 do you have ubuntu
[11:56] <Odin2347> no
[11:56] <Odin2347> windows
[11:56] <Odin2347> which live cd should i use
[11:56] <Odin2347> i wanna see if it works with all my hardware before i install it
[11:56] <Lee__> Odin2347: did you check the hardware incompatibility list? the kernel supports lots of hardware.
[11:57] <Lee__> if it's not on that list you should be alright
[11:57] <Odin2347> where is the list
[11:57] <kaos> well install ubuntu
[11:58] <Mez> WHAT THE FUCK
[11:58] <Mez> why does ubuntu not come with gcc?
[11:58] <kaos> well odin if you want a good live cd try knoppix
[11:58] <Odin2347> which live cd should i download
[11:58] <Lee__> Odin2347: http://www.leenooks.com/
[11:58] <Odin2347> i know
[11:58] <mdke> does anyone use mondo?
[11:58] <Odin2347> hmm
[11:58] <Lee__> Mez: 1) calm down. 2) apt-get install gcc
[11:59] <zyme> what means gcc
[11:59] <Lee__> Odin2347: I'm fond of Knoppix for a liveCD
[11:59] <Mez> I know
[11:59] <Mez> but why doesnt it come as default?
[11:59] <Lee__> but if you want to install Linux, just dual boot for a while.
[11:59] <Mez> thats freaky
[11:59] <Lee__> Mez: cause it doesn't. If you want to compile stuff, install Gentoo.
[11:59] <mdke> Mez, ubuntu is a package distribution
[11:59] <Odin2347> hmm
[11:59] <sacha__> what's XKeepsCrashing ?
[11:59] <Mez> I know that but
[11:59] <mdke> you don't need to compile things to run its software
[11:59] <Mez> 1) gentoo is a pain in the ass
[11:59] <Mez> 2) the package isnt listed