[12:03] <zul> hey mjg59
[12:13] <dholbach> re
[12:14] <mjg59> Argh. The wireless here is dreadful.
[12:14] <mjg59> zul: Hi - sorry, I haven't had a chance to get back to you about those patch e
[12:14] <mjg59> es yet
[12:14] <zul> mjg59: its ok...im going to be added some of the asus ones in my next upload
[12:16] <mjg59> zul: Do you have a link?
[12:17] <zul> yeah gimme a sec.
[12:17] <dholbach> anyone feels like testing hula-server package?
[12:18] <dholbach> herzi made them and hosted them on http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/packages/hoary/source/
[12:19] <zul> mjg59: http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.5/anno/arch/i386/kernel/dmi_scan.c@1.76?nav=index.html|src/|src/arch|src/arch/i386|src/arch/i386/kernel
[12:20] <zul> hey elmo
[12:20] <elmo> hi zul
[12:22] <mjg59> zul: Hmm. That doesn't seem to have been touched in weeks.
[12:23] <zul> mjg59: i was looking at the toshiba bits and we might want that
[12:24] <mjg59> zul: Oh, ok
[12:24] <zul> mjg59: i dont think it will make a big difference.
[12:25] <zul> but it would be good to have anyways
[12:35] <netdur> hey, this is Arabic translation of Ubuntu guide http://ubuntu.arabdevs.com but seems firefox 1.0 in hoary can't read Arabic UTF-8 while downloaded version from mozilla.org doesn't have this problem, I don't know why so!!!
[12:37] <abelli> dholbach: ping
[12:37] <dholbach> abelli: pong
[12:37] <abelli> dholbach: join 
[12:38] <abelli> #viper please
[12:38] <dholbach> sounds interesting ;-)
[12:38] <moyogo> netdur: the page charset is charset=iso-8859-1, you should use charset=utf-8
[12:40] <netdur> oh! just noticed :p
[12:42] <netdur> but still there problem of Arabic, fot example here http://www.netdur.info/planet I use charset=utf-8, but can't read Arabic
[12:42] <abelli> ppl ive got a big problem
[12:43] <zul> mjg59: never mind about the toshiba stuff its already been aded
[12:44] <abelli> a user in #ubuntu had a initrd.img not found
[12:44] <abelli> so i made him chroot with ubuntu live cd and installed a new kernel..
[12:44] <abelli> now the new kernel says
[12:45] <abelli> kernel panic isnot syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[12:45] <abelli> menu.lst is correct
[12:45] <abelli> the kernel has support for that filesystem..
[12:45] <abelli> what could it be?
[12:47] <zul> new install?
[12:47] <abelli> no.. he just messed up the system with dpkg
[12:47] <zul> the root filesystem exists?
[12:48] <abelli> yes
[12:48] <abelli> it can be mounted
[12:49] <zul> hmm..thats weird unknown block his rootfs thinks its an unknown block size or something
[12:53] <abelli> yes it is..
[12:53] <abelli> ok good night everybody
[12:53] <dholbach> sleep tight abelli 
[12:54] <zul> c ya abelli 
[12:54] <abelli> dholbach: thank you 
[12:54] <ogra> ciao abelli
[12:54] <abelli> zul: thank you too...
[12:54] <abelli> ogra: buona notte
[12:55] <abelli> have a great life until we catch up again..c
[12:55] <abelli> iao
[01:06] <netdur> seems everyone loves Ubuntu, thank you guys
[01:07] <netdur> I'm thinking to use Ubuntu instead of RH to teach Linux!
[01:07] <dholbach> netdur: sounds cool!
[01:08] <dholbach> netdur: where you use it to teach?
[01:08] <netdur> I'm in Morocco, Rabat
[01:09] <dholbach> oh nice
[01:09] <dholbach> what type of school is it?
[01:09] <netdur> I don't know in English, we use French
[01:10] <netdur> http://www.smcomputerschool.net.ma
[01:11] <dholbach> my french is pretty bad, but i'll have a look :-)
[01:11] <netdur> crapy site
[01:13] <dholbach> well, be sure to make photos of the students on ubuntu computers :-)
[01:14] <netdur> he he, well, I will do when I replaced RH
[01:14] <dholbach> cool! :-)
[01:14] <dholbach> jdub will post it in his blog for sure :-)
[01:14] <mdz> seb128: the problem with icons on powerpc is known, yes?
[01:15] <seb128> yep
[01:15] <seb128> icon cache breakage
[01:15] <mdz> need any information?
[01:15] <seb128> no, that's pending upload
[01:15] <mdz> ok, thanks
[01:18] <netdur> jdub is Jeff? I did code planetplanet like php script, it's still 0.6.1 and I had two press interviews about it!!!
[01:19] <crimsun> yes, Jeff Waugh
[01:19] <netdur> I like that guy
[01:22] <jani> azeem, here?
[01:26] <azeem> yes
[01:28] <jani> azeem, I worked on transitioning pymol to python2.4
[01:28] <jani> and the MOTUs tell me I should ping you about it so you know since you maintain the package
[01:28] <azeem> did you fix the futurewarning I think there was? :)
[01:28] <jani> I also wanted to correct some lintian warnings 
[01:28] <jani> what futurewarning? :)
[01:29] <azeem> like, wrote a manpage? :)
[01:29] <jani> no no nothing like that :)
[01:29] <jani> nor did I make a new 32x32 icon :)
[01:29] <jani> those which said that the gnome and kde desktop files 
[01:30] <jani> went to deprecated paths
[01:30] <jani> instead of fd.o mandated one /usr/share/applications
[01:30] <jani> I actually deleted the kde one, I thought /usr/share/applnk is deprecated too
[01:40] <zul> Kamion: you around?
[01:42] <zul> Kamion: mandrake's ata paches for 2.6.10 enables ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI
[02:35] <lamont> mdz about?
[02:35] <mdz> yes
[02:36] <lamont> 6954 - is deleteing /etc/resolv.conf enough to get the boot up stuff to realize that it really does need to actually generate it as part of the dhcp/network config?
[02:36] <lamont> (resolv.conf was on the original list of 'things that the bootup stuff needs to fix' for the root fs...)
[02:36] <mdz> it will be overwritten by netcfg, yes (this should already be the case)
[02:36] <mdz> I suppose that if d-i doesn't find a network, that won't happen
[02:36] <mdz> but at any rate, we shouldn't ship the one that's there
[02:37] <lamont> so we should remove it.  got it.
[02:37] <mdz> I think no resolv.conf is probably appropriate, yeah
[02:40] <lamont> I should be able to push a new script to the machines monday sometime
[02:45] <mdz> thanks
[03:18] <ogra> night
[03:35] <dholbach> sleep tight everyone
[03:46] <lamont> mdz: python-apt ftbfs, fyi
[03:47] <lamont> make: /usr/bin/python2.3: Command not found
[03:54] <mdz> lamont: 0.5.36 should fix, thanks
[03:57] <zul> grrr...inotify
[03:59] <zul> new inotify doesnt compile
[03:59] <lamont> well then, we definitely don't want to upload that patch in that state.. :-)
[03:59] <zul> you think? :)
[04:00] <lamont> nah - I've tried that before.  it's bad.
[04:00] <zul> yeah i know you have :)
[04:00] <lamont> not that one - that one compiled and worked on my (admittedly headless) test machine./
[04:01] <zul> ah
[04:06] <mdz> I was on the phone
[04:06] <mdz> and it is saturday :-P
[04:06] <lamont> np
[04:07] <lamont> yeah - I'm about to wander off myself for the rest of tonight/tomorrow
[04:07] <zul> liar
[04:07] <zul> :)
[04:07] <lamont> zul: well...
[04:07] <lamont> gonna go watch a movie with the wife, and I tend to not be online sundays
[04:08] <zul> ok see you monday then
[05:33] <AndyFitz> so ,, whos excited about ubuntu downunder ? :)
[05:35] <ajmitch> AndyFitz: I'll hopefully be there, anyway
[05:35] <bob2> hah
[05:36] <bob2> you know it means hard work, right? :)
[05:36] <ajmitch> slavery & selling of my soul?
[05:36] <ajmitch> sign me up
[05:36] <bob2> hahahaha
[05:37] <ajmitch> bob2: I'm sure it can't be too bad :)
[05:38] <bob2> bwahahaha, famous last words :-)
[05:40] <ajmitch> bob2: btw, we're looking for willing volunteers for the universe python transition if you want to help ;)
[08:11] <cartman> anyone knows if archive.ubuntu.com blocks some ip addresses?
[08:12] <cartman> like 85.97.*.*
[08:25] <MyNameIsChris> May I suggest that future releases of ubuntu come with an smp kernel
[08:25] <MyNameIsChris> And the installer can decide if you need it
[09:28] <dholbach> gooood morning
[10:45] <sabdfl> morning all
[10:49] <dholbach> morning sabdfl 
[10:52] <daniels> sabdfl: 'morning
[10:55] <dholbach> wow... seems to be a cracked-up ppc-party on the buildd going on
[10:56] <sabdfl> hey daniels
[10:56] <abelli> dholbach, sabdfl : ciao
[10:56] <dholbach> hai abelli!
[10:56] <sabdfl> ciao andrea
[10:56] <abelli> dholbach: the thing that i had to package.. was it graveman?
[10:57] <dholbach> abelli: i didn't tell you to... you said you wanted to do it :-)
[10:57] <dholbach> abelli: but i'll have a look at it, once you're finished
[10:58] <abelli> dholbach: ..mm  yes.. but graveman?
[10:58] <abelli> :)
[10:59] <Mithrandir> daniels: aka bootstrapping?
[10:59] <abelli> dholbach: the kernel panic blowed my mind..
[10:59] <abelli> :(
[11:00] <daniels> Mithrandir: well, I have my laptop working, but that's it; the amd64's other drive has XP on it for HL2 (video card arrived Friday), and a trashed root partition thanks to XP's installer being reckless; the other i386 had a half-installed system on it, and thus wouldn't boot.
[11:00] <dholbach> abelli: i have a look in the logs ... don't worry, it was nice of you to help that guy... really
[11:01] <dholbach> abelli: yes... graveman
[11:01] <abelli> :))
[11:01] <abelli> ok for warty right.
[11:01] <dholbach> abelli: warty?
[11:02] <abelli> im going to do it as i finish with the hardened kernel..
[11:02] <dholbach> abelli: there will be no changes to warty any more
[11:02] <abelli> dholbach: yep, ogra's one doesnt work properly, or
[11:02] <abelli> at least seems so..
[11:02] <dholbach> abelli: unless it's a really hard security issue
[11:02] <abelli> dholbach: yeah i know
[11:02] <abelli> dholbach: ogra's repos..
[11:03] <abelli> dholbach: mmm... am i saying "stupid crappy" things.. let's have a log-look
[11:03] <dholbach> abelli: ok... here's what i propose: you package a nice version of graveman, we put it into hoary and in ogra's repository
[11:03] <dholbach> abelli: so everyone's happy
[11:04] <abelli> :)), ok 
[11:04] <dholbach> abelli: cool, ping me back once you're finished, and we'll go through it together
[11:13] <bob2> daniels: oh, btw, if you load ibm_acpi then fn-f5 actually toggles the wireless card
[11:13] <bob2> instead of bluetooth
[11:13] <daniels> bob2: yeah, noticed that
[11:18] <dholbach> are there any issues known about the applications menu?
[11:18] <dholbach> at my place, it opens just for a quarter of a second and closes again :-/
[11:23] <abelli> dholbach: your place seems to be badly broken ;)
[11:25] <dholbach> abelli: ah nice... slaying the panel worked
[11:57] <dholbach> wow doko_: impressive list of uploads - nice work :-)
[11:57] <dholbach> doko_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO will soon be done
[11:59] <bob2> mjg59: is there some acpi hook I can use to suspend-to-disk when the battery gets really low?
[11:59] <doko_> dholbach: yes, I need to finish my packages ...
[11:59] <dholbach> doko_: dont worry, we'll manage :-)
[12:02] <mjg59> bob2: No
[12:02] <mjg59> The OS is supposed to deal with that
[12:02] <bob2> hm
[12:03] <bob2> apparently windows XP will wake up out of s-t-r when the battery goes below 3% and drop to s-t-d
[12:05] <mjg59> Yes. I'm not sure how it does that.
[12:05] <mjg59> There's no obvious wakeup event for that situation.
[12:06] <jdub> mjg59: acpi is working beautifully on my X300, thank you :-)
[12:06] <daniels> jdub: took a while ;)
[12:07] <mjg59> jdub: Hurrah
[12:07] <mjg59> I'm like Father Christmas, except I spread ACPI rather than toys
[12:07] <jdub> daniels: been working for ages, just bears repeating
[12:07] <bob2> HOT ACPIT LOVE FOR ALL.
[12:07] <daniels> OH, FRIG I'M AN IDIOT
[12:07] <mjg59> ACPI ALL OVER YOUR FACE
[12:08] <daniels> so I figured I'd test this weird strip problem (works on ext3, fails on xfs) by building xorg in /
[12:08] <daniels> so I built it in /tmp on my amd64
[12:08] <daniels> and made a fair few changes to it
[12:08] <daniels> guess what's just happened to those changes, now that I've rebooted
[12:08] <jdub> boh
[12:08] <sivang> hey all
[12:09] <smurfix> daniels: That scrapes
[12:14] <sivang> is it acpi sunday love? ;-)
[12:16] <bob2> there's a disturbing number of uploads today
[12:18] <sivang> bob2: for acpi?
[12:18] <sivang> bob2: do we have desktop integration for acpi already?
[12:18] <bob2> there's no ui, afaik
[12:18] <jdub> yeah we do
[12:18] <jdub> logout dialogue
[12:19] <bob2> oh
[12:19] <sivang> jdub: woooo
[12:19] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I had a peculiar problem with my x40 this morning.  It came out of suspend (to ram), then went back in immediately.  Rinse, repeat.
[12:19] <jdub> though it will hopefully change
[12:19] <bob2> for configuring, I mean
[12:19] <jdub> ah, yeah
[12:19] <jdub> that's the hard one ;)
[12:19] <sivang> so for config we still don't ?
[12:19] <Mithrandir> we should have a pretty progress thing when going into sleep.
[12:19] <jdub> the winxp one is nice
[12:20] <jdub> i like the character mode winxp resume bar too
[12:20] <sivang> we should certainly have something quick for enabling and configuration of options.
[12:20] <bob2> Mithrandir: did it eventually wake up?
[12:20] <Mithrandir> bob2: I got bored after ten-ish iterations and rebooted.
[12:20] <bob2> oh, suck
[12:21] <bob2> I've had mine do that once or twice, but closing and opening the lid worked in the end
[12:21] <sivang> jdub: I think we should have something in fb that does even more nice progress indicator, come to think of it, I wonder why wnxp don't do that instead of the text mode progress bar.
[12:21] <jdub> because its Hard
[12:21] <sivang> jdub: ah
[12:22] <sivang> jdub: are you still running the tv show? :)
[12:23] <jdub> it's not on all the time
[12:23] <sivang> sure, it's probably a massive bandwidth eater.
[12:27] <jdub> mdz: gdm drum sound - do we really want to lose this?
[12:28] <mooch> jdub: hi, dude :)
[12:29] <jdub> baby jesus!
[12:29] <jdub> dude
[12:29] <jdub> i have a funny story for you
[12:30] <jdub> i saw an ad at the cinema about the phone you had at mataro
[12:30] <mooch> :)
[12:30] <jdub> and i said, slightly too loudly (read: shrieked), "hey! jesus has that phone!"
[12:30] <mooch> JAJAJAJA
[12:31] <jdub> got some funny looks ;)
[12:31] <mooch> no wonder... ;)
[12:33] <sabdfl> baby jesus is very 21st century
[12:38] <mooch> sabdfl: too much, sometimes ;)
[12:39] <daniels> mooch: itym XAXAXAXA
[12:49] <mooch> XAXAXAXA?
[12:49] <mooch> itym?
[12:49] <mooch> i have been too disconnected for too long time ;)
[12:50] <daniels> itym -> i think you mean
[12:50] <daniels> xaxaxa was from some weird russian cartoon of hitler vs stalin
[12:51] <daniels> http://www.comics.aha.ru/rus/stalin/
[12:51] <mooch> !!
[12:52] <mooch> JA = HE in spanish, for laughter...
[12:52] <daniels> yeah
[12:52] <daniels> xaxa is haha in russian
[12:53] <daniels> as in page 6 of that comic
[12:53] <bob2> haha
[12:53] <bob2> er, xaxa
[12:54] <jdub> "ah ah" is french for "ha ha"
[12:56] <mooch> in spain we have also a guy who, from a tv program, introduced "jurl jurl"
[12:57] <mooch> well, has anyone repaired the icons problem? I still cannot see the clean the desktop icon, but an X
[12:58] <jdub> mooch: on ppc?
[12:58] <mooch> on x86
[12:58] <jdub> oh. haven't seen a problem there.
[12:59] <mooch> on ppc you can just erase the icon cache, as someone reported
[12:59] <mooch> jdub: well, i can screenshot my desktop to show what is wrong...
[01:07] <Kamion> hm. timezone preseeding not working so well. I wonder why not.
[01:07] <Kamion> root password kickstart-preseeding working even less well, but I know why that is
[01:08] <sivang> Kamion: do you do timezone preseeding based on smurfixes new locale/kbd/region chooser?
[01:08] <Kamion> no
[01:08] <Kamion> smurfix' program is *only* a keyboard chooser, not the other things you mention
[01:09] <sivang> Kamion: ah ok , so you preseed it based on the country chooser?
[01:09] <Kamion> and you can't seed timezone purely by locale in all cases (though sometimes you can present a much smaller menu)
[01:09] <Kamion> consider language=English, country=United States
[01:10] <Kamion> you preseed it by means of the user writing the timezone into their preseed file or kickstart file
[01:11] <sivang> Kamion: ah right, I had only one time zone in mind. (like where I am(
[01:12] <Kamion> selecting a single time zone for Israel isn't preseeding, that's just standard installer behaviour
[01:13] <Kamion> ah, it would help if I got the preseeding syntax right
[01:14] <sivang> Kamion: So you probably have a mapping table that maps locations --> possible timezones list and for israel there is only one in it? 
[01:15] <Kamion> sivang: right, try 'grep ^IL /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab'
[01:15] <sivang> Kamion: tnx :)
[01:15] <Kamion> it's maintained in glibc
[01:16] <sivang> coool
[01:17] <Kamion> sivang: if there's only one applicable timezone, it just gives you the chance to confirm it
[01:17] <Kamion> Template: tzconfig/choose_country_zone_single
[01:17] <Kamion> Type: boolean
[01:17] <Kamion> Default: true
[01:17] <Kamion> _Description: Are you in the ${zone} time zone?
[01:17] <Kamion>  Based on your country, your time zone is probably ${zone}.
[01:19] <sivang> I don't reckon it would be wise to spare this question from a user? given he has only one timezone to choose/confirm. (hmm, but then again he may want to configure his machine to a different one)
[01:19] <Kamion> people seem to get upset if their clock is configured wrongly
[01:20] <Kamion> it would be possible to drop the priority a bit if there's only one possible answer, but I haven't really thought about it much; it does tend to interact in complicated ways with people who're travelling
[01:21] <Kamion> since the country you select feeds into your locale and thus the place where you actually are may not make a lot of sense (e.g. en_RU isn't really a useful locale)
[01:21] <sivang> right
[01:21] <Kamion> ach, damn X Via bug again, oh well that install was toast anyway
[01:32] <jdub> elmo: fiordland doesn't have a reverse name
[01:37] <jdub> hrm, luckily emails go through my secmx though
[02:07] <Simira> jdub: how long does it take to get the ubuntu-no mailing list?
[02:17] <jdub> Simira: once the LoCo team has been approved, mail me and it will be done almost instantly - has it been done?
[02:18] <Simira> jdub: ok. No, it's just some formalities through smurfix left, I believe.
[02:18] <jdub> ok, rad
[02:29] <HiddenWolf> where is mvo if you need him?
[02:30] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: why do you need him?
[02:31] <HiddenWolf> dholbach: update-manager messed up gksu, best I can figure. 
[02:31] <daniels> seb128: what's the full command line for that file?
[02:31] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: sounds rather unlikely, what went wrong exactly?
[02:33] <HiddenWolf> dholbach: I tried to open update-manager when it was already open on another vt, gave a few rather messy errors, required a hard-reboot, and I think it ruined the lock file.
[02:33] <seb128> daniels: http://rafb.net/paste/results/vczgod80.html
[02:33] <seb128> daniels: http://rafb.net/paste/results/n4UURt91.html too
[02:34] <HiddenWolf> dholbach: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6878
[02:34] <seb128> jdub: around ?
[02:34] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: whats up with the lock file? can you use apt-get, synaptic at all?
[02:35] <jdub> seb128: yo
[02:35] <seb128> jdub: hey
[02:35] <seb128> jdub: so, for the session dialog
[02:35] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: hmmm, i'll copy the conversation anyway and will inform him, alright?
[02:35] <seb128> jdub: you want some icons like the winXP stuff and shift-click ?
[02:37] <HiddenWolf> dholbach: I can use sudo apt-get / synaptic. If I run it from the menu, nothing happens
[02:37] <HiddenWolf> dholbach: it's ok.
[02:37] <dholbach> from the menu it doesnt work?
[02:37] <jdub> seb128: i'm pretty sure that's the right way to go, yeah
[02:38] <daniels> seb128: that's totally bong -- it should be trying Xss rather than Xext
[02:38] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: try to run   gksudo synaptic   from the console
[02:38] <daniels> seb128: libXss_pic hasn't been patched in anywhere, ahs it?
[02:39] <HiddenWolf> dholbach: lock found, exiting
[02:40] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: dunno where gksu(do) keeps its locks, maybe you try moving it to another place, or maybe ask the rest of they guys or in #ubuntu *shrug*
[02:40] <HiddenWolf> dholbach: *shrug* it's ok. As long as that bug gets fixed. :)
[02:41] <abelli> i was wondering if in hoary every package will be "compatible" with the gnome-menu
[02:41] <abelli> is it?
[02:42] <seb128> grrr, dsl hangup
[02:42] <seb128> daniels: 
 AC_CHECK_LIB(Xext, XScreenSaverRegister,[XSS_LIBS="-L$x_libraries"] ,[] ,[-lX11 -lXext -lm] )
 AC_CHECK_LIB(Xss, XScreenSaverRegister,[XSS_LIBS="-L$x_libraries -lXss"] ,[] ,[-lX11 -lXext -lm] )
 in the configure.in
[02:42] <seb128> jdub: k, I'll have a look on this, that's k to change that now with all the freezes ?
[02:42] <seb128> what do you mean ?
[02:42] <seb128> if a package provides a correct .desktop file the menu handles it
[02:42] <Mithrandir> mjg59: Magni is tired of fedora on her laptop (said x200); do you think we could get ubuntu onto it?
[02:42] <daniels> seb128: the other one is really weird, because it looks like it's never trying to link with -lXss
[02:42] <daniels> seb128: try adding -lXss to the last section of the bottom line?
[02:43] <abelli> seb128: ok thank you. but will MOTUs allowed to change universe package's .desktop ?
[02:44] <jdub> seb128: depending on the scariness of the patch, yeah
[02:45] <seb128> daniels: not better
[02:45] <seb128> abelli: sure
[02:45] <daniels> seb128: and you regenerated the configure?
[02:45] <abelli> seb128: ok thank you
[02:45] <seb128> jdub: k
[02:45] <seb128> daniels: sure
[02:45] <dholbach> abelli: yes... if you make a note in the changelog
[02:45] <daniels> seb128: ... no idea, sorry, that's bizzare
[02:46] <seb128> daniels: that's easy to get, apt-get source -b gossip
[02:46] <seb128> daniels: k, thanks anyway
[02:46] <daniels> seb128: heh
[02:47] <daniels> seb128: no worries -- maybe Keybuk would know as he's Mr Autotools?
[02:47] <seb128> right
[02:48] <trulux> doko: ping
[02:48] <trulux> doko: can you join #debian-hardened?
[02:49] <abelli> dholbach: actually im not a MOTU, i was thinking about ogra's exploitation :))
[02:49] <dholbach> abelli: exploit him in which way?
[02:50] <abelli> dholbach: correcting packages' .desktop.
[02:50] <dholbach> abelli: i think he's busy enough atm :-)
[02:50] <abelli> dholbach: :)
[02:51] <doko> trulux: not long ...
[03:20] <Goshawk> hi to all
[03:20] <Goshawk> is there a way to read rc scripts output?
[03:45] <buga> Goshawk: use bootlogd. simply put BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes to /etc/default/bootlogd
[03:49] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: ping?
[03:53] <zul> daniels: did you try that xfs stuff?
[03:56] <dholbach> bbl
[03:59] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: hi, would you have some time to help me with ia32-libs stuff?
[04:01] <Simira> T-Bone: Mithrandir is on FOSDEM
[04:01] <T-Bone> Simira: ah ok thx
[04:01] <Simira> (he's online, though, but not much working)
[04:01] <T-Bone> roger that
[04:18] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: what help do you need?
[04:22] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: need to get ia32-libs package generate lib32gcc1 on ia64
[04:23] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: and need to fix the ugly bug in a proper way too
[04:23] <Mithrandir> why can't gcc make it?
[04:23] <T-Bone> (amd64 hardcoded values in rules leading to ldd.amd64 being installed)
[04:23] <Mithrandir> I know
[04:23] <Mithrandir> get me an ia64. :P
[04:23] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: i can get you access to an ia64 very easily
[04:24] <T-Bone> send me a login and a sshv2 key and consider it done already :)
[04:24] <Mithrandir> can you remind me on Tuesday?  I'm at FOSDEM with a terrible network connection ATM.
[04:24] <T-Bone> re gcc: it can't make it because it would need to be cross-built
[04:24] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: sure np
[04:25] <Mithrandir> oh, true, that'll be.. interesting. :P
[04:25] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: doko seemed to think that having ia32-libs to provide lib32gcc1 on ia64 was the good thing to do
[04:25] <T-Bone> heh
[04:25] <Mithrandir> probably so
[04:26] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: i tried to sort that out by myself but ia32-libs is a bit obfuscated for me ;) And besides, that amd64 bug doesn't ease up things :P
[04:26] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: so i'd really need your help whenever you have time for it :)
[04:26] <Mithrandir> ia32-libs is a wart.
[04:27] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: glad i'm not the only one thinking so ;)
[04:27] <Mithrandir> it's not only a wart, it's very ugly wart with evil stuff inside it.
[04:28] <T-Bone> lol
[04:28] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: since you say so, I'll certainly not deny it ;^)
[04:28] <Mithrandir> :)
[04:28] <Mithrandir> we'll get rid of it, but it takes a bit of time.
[04:29] <T-Bone> heh
[05:19] <abelli> jdub: u there?
[05:23] <sabdfl> Mithrandir: is ia32-libs used for more than oo.o and mozilla?
[05:25] <zul> bbl...curling
[05:49] <mdz> jdub: yes, we want to lose the gdm drum sound (though if cliff/bobby replace it with something less obnoxious, maybe we can re-enable it)
[05:53] <jdub> mdz: it's had a lot of good feedback
[05:55] <doko> sabdfl: mozilla doesn't depend on ia32-libs, it's built by gcc-3.4, but native on amd64
[05:59] <abelli> jdub: ding
[06:00] <smurfix> mdz: I've uploaded my keymap analyzer tool (part of keymapper)
[06:01] <smurfix> mdz: need to integrate its results into X setup next
[06:08] <sabdfl> mdz: hey, i like the drum sound
[06:09] <sabdfl> it's very "welcome and sign in here"
[06:09] <sabdfl> smurfix: great work on the tool, btw!
[06:09] <smurfix> sabdfl: Thanks, but it's far from finished :-/
[06:10] <sabdfl> yes, i understand... and there's a bit of polish required. nonetheless this is much better than "select from this long list of arbitrarily named keyboards"
[06:11] <smurfix> Yeah, the first "here's what I think your default is" selection is very helpful.
[06:12] <smurfix> On the other han, I've taken an Irish keyboard (i.e., key mapping taken from X) and depending on which keys the user would press they get six different results. :-/
[06:13] <smurfix> The fact that the console keymaps don't ship with an Irish keyboard might have something to do with that, but still ...
[06:13] <dredg> yeah the irish keymap is fun...
[06:13] <dredg> i'm irish though and i can help you test it
[06:14] <zul> sabdfl: im going to be enabling ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI in the next kernel uploads it should fix your sata and atapi cd-rom problem
[06:14] <sabdfl> zul: awesome , thanks
[06:14] <smurfix> You can start by writing an Irish keymap for the console. In fact if you can hack a bit of Python, getting keymapper to do a rudimentary X->console keymap translation is possible.
[06:14] <sabdfl> zul: any idea why this isn't enabled by default upstream?
[06:15] <zul> sabdfl: no idea
[06:15] <zul> sabdfl: but mandrake has it enabled in their kernel i think it depends on the chipset though
[06:18] <zul> bbl...lunch and curling
[06:18] <dredg> smurfix: there should in fact be only on difference between an irish and a uk layout: different currency
[06:18] <dredg> one*
[06:19] <dredg> but the layout itself should be the same
[06:20] <smurfix> dredg: Hmm, that makes sense. I'll have to check what happens with the Irish keymap from X then.
[06:31] <dredg> smurfix: and as i think about it, currency is a locale thing, not a keymap thing
[06:31] <jdub> lamont: around?
[06:32] <smurfix> dredg: That's a nice thought but it maps very poorly to what console and X do with the keymap.
[06:32] <dredg> ah, i see
[06:33] <dredg> well, fwiw, i use uk keymaps in X and console just fine
[06:33] <dredg> i haven't used an irish X keymap in a couple of years
[06:36] <abelli> jdub: ping
[06:37] <jdub> abelli: yeah?
[06:37] <abelli> jdub: is it possible to have another mailing list for server-related questions?
[06:38] <abelli> because normal user get a little lost when sysadmins start threads
[06:38] <jdub> not sure we're ready to split the focus just yet
[06:38] <abelli> on how to implement ipsec and blah blah blah
[06:38] <abelli> i mean just for the italian one
[06:39] <jdub> abelli: yeah, that's what i'm talking about too
[06:39] <abelli> ahh...
[06:39] <jdub> abelli: i think we're very close to ready for an 'ubuntu-server' list
[06:39] <abelli> is it worth 2 kilos of Parmigiano reggiano?
[06:40] <jdub> but splitting up LoCo lists seems premature
[06:40] <abelli> jdub: some users asked for it..
[06:40] <abelli> because "they're not interested in big things"
[06:41] <abelli> and this is true because sometimes it happens.. that ppl start making questions about IPSEC.. when they dont even know how to use an usb modem.. and..
[06:41] <abelli> this make other ppl angry.. its like playing domino.
[06:41] <abelli> :)
[06:41] <jdub> abelli: sure, if we create a ubuntu-server list, it will be less of a problem
[06:41] <abelli> jdub: ok. got it.
[06:41] <abelli> thanks
[06:42] <jdub> but i don't think we're ready to create ubuntu-it-* sublists just yet
[06:42] <abelli> mm.
[06:42] <abelli> .
[06:43] <abelli> i dont want to ruin your plans.
[06:43] <abelli> so, ill make them wait in silence :).
[06:43] <jdub> huh?
[06:43] <abelli> ..just saying. that you know better than me what to do.
[06:43] <abelli> :)
[06:44] <abelli> yeah "i dont want to ruin your plans" has been a particularly badly chosen sentence.. sorry.
[07:43] <zul> mjg59: can you have a look at #6977
[08:33] <pitti> Hi
[08:34] <zul> hey pitti  how is it going?
[08:35] <pitti> zul: hey! grat skiing today
[08:35] <pitti> s/grat/great/
[08:36] <zul> good good
[08:36] <zul> bbl
[09:27] <abelli> sladen: where can i get ubuntu colors' codes?
[09:33] <trulux> hi folks
[09:33] <trulux> pitti: hey hey!
[09:33] <trulux> :)
[09:33] <pitti> Hi trulux
[09:34] <trulux> pitti: we were fixing the last things of libssp
[09:34] <trulux> now it's maybe the most complete implementation of SSP ;)
[09:35] <pitti> cool
[09:38] <dholbach> re
[09:39] <pitti> Hi dholbach 
[09:39] <dholbach> hai pitti
[09:45] <trulux> pitti: going to build the final gcc-ssp package if all works as it's supposed :)
[09:45] <trulux> gotcha good testing machine yesterday :D
[10:06] <trulux> k1
[10:07] <trulux> oops
[10:07] <trulux> :)
[10:14] <mdz> ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms.
[10:14] <mdz> I should certainly hope so
[10:14] <pitti> Hi mdz 
[10:14] <pitti> sounds critical :-)
[10:15] <mdz> I would be very concerned if it were less than 0ms
[10:20] <zul> mdz: i think #1669 is fixed already in the latest d-i
[10:27] <srbaker> edd, around?
[10:33] <edd> hello srbaker 
[10:33] <srbaker> edd, hey. did you ever decide on an issue tracker?
[10:33] <srbaker> edd, the last update i see just has an "updated master list"
[10:34] <edd> srbaker: i chose Roundup for the purpose I had internally. If I were going to use one for open source, I'd likely go for Trac right now.
[10:34] <srbaker> okay, thanks
[11:20] <fgubuntu> ho devs
[11:20] <fgubuntu> hi
[11:21] <fgubuntu> do you think ndiswrapper will belong to hoary cd?
[11:31] <Kamion> fgubuntu: ndiswrapper-utils will be on the DVD along with the rest of supported, but there are no plans at the moment to include it on the CD as far as I'm aware
[11:31] <Kamion> fgubuntu: the kernel module is there by default on i386, mind you
[11:33] <mdz> Kamion: as I recall, we had a consensus to put it in the ship seed
[11:33] <mdz> though it apparently wasn't added
[11:34] <fgubuntu> Kamion, i can see kernel module, but after a fresh install sometimes you need ndiswrapper-utils as the only way to go out on the net
[11:36] <mdz> Kamion: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-December/002766.html
[11:37] <fgubuntu> Kamion, i can read on wiki about ship:  Utilities which might be necessary in some cases in order to connect to a network
[11:40] <zul> Kamion: #1974 prism card does that work for you now?
[11:48] <Kamion> mdz: so we did
[11:48] <Kamion> zul: I can have a look tomorrow
[11:49] <zul> Kamion: great thanks
[11:51] <fgubuntu> Kamion, thx. bye
[11:52] <zul> brb...new kernel
[11:56] <zul> heylo
[11:58] <dholbach> hi zul 
[11:58] <dholbach> zul: long time no see :-)
[11:58] <mdz> Kamion: you decided that things in ship should not also be in supported, yes?
[11:59] <zul> dholbach: yeah what is it 5 minutes ago