[12:00] <Lee__>  /ignore Mez
[12:00] <Mez> fine... I just want to be able to use my TV card with it
[12:00] <Mez> thats all
[12:00] <Mez> :'(
[12:00] <Vjaz> With GCC?
[12:01] <Mez> well - seeing as xawtv isnt a package, then i need to download and compile it
[12:01] <mdke> does anyone use mondo?
[12:01] <mdke> someone must do
[12:01] <mdke> pls people!!
[12:01] <mdke> >_>
[12:02] <Vjaz> Mez: xawtv is available via apt-get
[12:02] <Odin2347> which ubuntu livecd should i use
[12:02] <Mez> isnt for me
[12:02] <mdke> Odin2347, what computer do you have?
[12:02] <Odin2347> AMD
[12:02] <Vjaz> Mez: You need to enable the Universe repository. Read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[12:02] <Odin2347> XP
[12:02] <Odin2347> 3000+
[12:02] <Odin2347> gig of dual channel RAM..
[12:02] <mdke> i'm rubbish at hardware
[12:03] <mdke> is that 32bit?
[12:03] <Odin2347> yes
[12:03] <mdke> then the x86 cd should do the trick
[12:03] <homss> hello
[12:03] <Odin2347> uea but there's warty and 4.10 and jiggity..
[12:03] <mdke> hi
[12:03] <Odin2347> yea*
[12:03] <Feiten> Hi
[12:03] <Odin2347> hi
[12:03] <mdke> Odin2347, oh
[12:03] <sacha__> and hoary
[12:03] <mdke> Odin2347, warty = 4.10
[12:04] <mdke> ignore the other one
[12:04] <homss> hi
[12:04] <Odin2347> which should i use?
[12:04] <mdke> Odin2347, what page you looking at?
[12:04] <homss> 5.04
[12:04] <Mez> thanks Vjaz
[12:04] <Mez> this is gonna take ages now I bet ;)
[12:05] <Odin2347> http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/releases/
[12:05] <sacha__> ages for what?
[12:05] <Mez> to do an update frm the universe :D
[12:05] <ctd_> I've done a fresh install of warty-ppc to hoary-ppc, and suddenly a whole load of gnome-ish icons have dissapeared.. is this known, is an extra package needed to be installed or what?
[12:05] <Mez> or not so it szeems
[12:05] <mdke> hmm
[12:05] <sacha__> took about 5 mins for me - just updated 62 packages
[12:05] <sacha__> 210kB/s
[12:06] <mdke> Odin2347, i'm not sure if there is a difference between the warty and the 4.10 directories. There certainly shouldn't be, so you can try either
[12:06] <Odin2347> ok
[12:06] <Odin2347> thanks
[12:06] <Mez> ok that was freaky
[12:06] <mdke> the filenames are the same
[12:06] <sacha__> lol - waste of space
[12:06] <Mez> I got an inverted screen
[12:06] <Odin2347> hmm
[12:06] <sacha__> nice mez - how'd you get that?
[12:06] <Odin2347> when i click to download i just get a page full of jibberish
[12:07] <Mez> runnign xawtv
[12:07] <sacha__> oh
[12:07] <mdke> Odin2347, right click and save
[12:07] <mdke> Odin2347, you opened it as text
[12:08] <Mez> it does it when i tery and select it
[12:08] <Mez> weird
[12:08] <mdke> Odin2347, to confirm, get warty-release-install-i386.iso
[12:08] <Odin2347> thanks
[12:09] <Odin2347> uh
[12:09] <Odin2347> when i right click the link i dont see any "save"
[12:09] <Odin2347> (im using firefox)
[12:10] <sacha__> use iexplorer
[12:10] <sacha__> lol
[12:10] <mdke> Odin2347, "save link as"
[12:10] <Mez> hmmm
[12:10] <Mez> cant get audio from xawtv
[12:10] <Mez> any idea why?
[12:10] <Mez> ah nvm i know why
[12:10] <mdke> Mez, you just installed it now
[12:10] <Odin2347> hmm
[12:10] <mdke> give yourself some time
[12:10] <mijenix> everytime when my fresh umbuntu starts it says that a XFree Error occurs! Why that?
[12:10] <Odin2347> [   ]  warty-release-live-i386.iso
[12:11] <Odin2347> is that the live cd
[12:11] <sacha__> have you connected the audio port from tv card to sound card?
[12:11] <Odin2347> ugh now i get " the link could not be saved"
[12:11] <Mez> yeah i just isntalled xawtv
[12:12] <Mez> havng problems getting sound though
[12:12] <mdke> Odin2347, sorry yes that's the file you want
[12:12] <mdke> Odin2347, no idea why it doesn't work, it works ok from here
[12:12] <Mez> The sound should come as an input from my Tv crad to my soundcard line in
[12:12] <Mez> but i cant hear it
[12:12] <sacha__> too bad my tv card is in other comp or i'd test it
[12:13] <sacha__> btw the dictionary - it couldn't find the word - Verisimilitudinous :(
[12:14] <Mez> nvm it wsa muted i just downloaded gnome-alsamixer and unmuted it
[12:14] <Mez> now..
[12:14] <sacha__> lol
[12:14] <drr-away> The quality or state of being verisimilar; the appearance of
[12:14] <drr-away>    truth; probability; likelihood.
[12:14] <drr-away> :p
[12:14] <apokryphos> %dict Verisimilitudinous
[12:14] <Pyre> apokryphos: Couldn't find an entry in the dictionary for 'Verisimilitudinous'
[12:14] <Mez> It's justa  lil weird that it inverts the colour of the rest of the screen
[12:15] <sacha__> yes drr-away my dictionary doesn't find it
[12:15] <apokryphos> yup, failure.
[12:15] <drr-away> nix the inous
[12:15] <sacha__> btw drr-away that's not it, that's verisimilitude
[12:15] <drr-away> right, but you can figure it out from that --
[12:15] <sacha__> naa
[12:16] <drr-away> something like "having verisimilitude :)
[12:16] <sacha__> it has famous, so it should have that
[12:18] <sacha__> application gnome-nettool has quit unexpectantly..
[12:18] <mdke> does anyone use mondo?
[12:19] <alz> hello to all does anyone know something about gnomemeeting ?
[12:20] <sacha__> my nettools crashed on port scan
[12:20] <Mez> does ubuntu use debian packages?
[12:20] <jdub> Mez: rebuilt for ubuntu, yes
[12:20] <Mez> so i couldnt use a general debian package with ubuntu?
[12:20] <Mez> cause well - xawtv package for ubuntu doesnt seem to comewith motv
[12:20] <Mez> and no motv package :(
[12:21] <sacha__> compile from source :)
[12:21] <jdub> Mez: see if it's in universe
[12:22] <Mez> how do i do that?
[12:22] <mdke> hi jdub
[12:22] <mdke> do you use mondo-rescue?
[12:23] <jdub> no
[12:23] <sacha__> where did you get xawtv from?
[12:23] <jdub> Mez: enable universe in synaptic, update, search for the package
[12:23] <Mez> apt-get install xawtv
[12:24] <Mez> I think universe is enabled
[12:24] <zyme> how do i see what services are running?
[12:24] <sacha__> oh ok it says it can't find xawtv
[12:25] <mdke> zyme, not easily i believe
[12:25] <Mez> it installs xawtv for me
[12:25] <Mez> but not the full package
[12:25] <Mez> only installs xawtv not radio etcv etc
[12:25] <zyme> there isnt like a ctrl+alt+delete type thing?
[12:25] <mdke> zyme, yes there is
[12:25] <sacha__> Couldn't find package xawtv
[12:25] <mdke> zyme, applications->system tools->system monitor
[12:26] <zyme> ahh cool
[12:26] <zyme> thanks
[12:27] <zyme> wow theres a shitload of them
[12:27] <Mez> aha
[12:27] <mdke> lol
[12:27] <mdke> yep
[12:27] <Mez> xawtv-tools
[12:27] <mdke> zyme, don't be scared tho
[12:27] <mdke> zyme, they are not actually using that much memory
[12:27] <zyme> thats good
[12:27] <sacha__> sleeping
[12:27] <sacha__> Couldn't find package xawtv-tools
[12:29] <zyme> haha i love the used swap
[12:29] <zyme> 256k of 957 mb
[12:29] <sacha__> mine is 0
[12:29] <mdke> yeah swap isn't used much normally
[12:30] <zyme> how do i make samba run
[12:30] <zyme> i installed it with apt-get install samba but i dont think it is doing anything
[12:31] <mdke> zyme, server or client?
[12:31] <zyme> client i think
[12:31] <mdke> install smbfs
[12:32] <zyme> i did that too
[12:32] <mdke> and follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountnetworkfolder
[12:32] <mdke> zyme, that site is very good for anything
[12:32] <sacha__> where's the conf file?
[12:32] <mdke> ?
[12:33] <zyme> ok
[12:33] <sacha__> wrong chat
[12:33] <mdke> lol
[12:33] <zyme> i dont really want to do that stuff though, i just want to be able to connect to other computers running windows on my dorm network
[12:33] <mdke> oh
[12:34] <mdke> you've put in the domain in your network settings?
[12:34] <JDahl> zyme, I think you need to add samba users with smbpasswd -a and -e...
[12:34] <heyodee> hi guys
[12:35] <mdke> JDahl, he just wants to browse the network
[12:35] <heyodee> does anyone have ubuntu running on a thinkpad t30
[12:35] <zyme> mdke: yeah i think
[12:35] <Mez> ooh console tv
[12:35] <mdke> zyme, what happens when you try and browse the network?
[12:35] <zyme> im not really trying to browse the network either
[12:35] <zyme> im trying to connect to a dc hub with a local address
[12:36] <zyme> which is thorugh the dorm network
[12:36] <zyme> absolutely nothing happens when i ping it or try to connect
[12:36] <zyme> it doesnt even say it cant resolve it; it just does nothing
[12:36] <mdke> i don't know what a dc hub is tbh
[12:36] <zyme> thats ok
[12:36] <zyme> there is a link i am supposed to click
[12:37] <mdke> i can't browse my network here either actually
[12:37] <mdke> but i can mount remote drives ok
[12:37] <zyme> its like http://10.0.###/whatsmyip.php that my school has to tell me my private and public ips that doesnt work
[12:38] <sacha__> oh eya that reminds me
[12:38] <P3L|C4N0> Greetings, a consultation;  source.list for AMD64 ?
[12:38] <sacha__> i have my client connecting to server through socks but it never finds it - i dunno why
[12:39] <sacha__> i know it has to do with .sin_addr.s_addr
[12:39] <ziggity> Help PlEeesseee
[12:40] <sacha__> my server has it as INADDR_ANY (to listen for) and my client has the servers ip
[12:40] <ziggity> I can't seem to get Synaptic package manager to run from the window??
[12:40] <ziggity> how do OI do it from terminal?? also is there a repair system command????
[12:41] <sacha__> what's an easy way to find out the servers ip in my program if the servers ip keeps changing (which i think is the reason)
[12:41] <sacha__> and i have no static ips to relay the new ip to me
[12:42] <ziggity> also how do I install the Jre ( java runtime ) I want to play java games
[12:43] <sacha__> java.sun.com ?
[12:43] <ziggity> how do I use webmin?
[12:43] <JDahl> ziggity, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:44] <sacha__> someone here must use sockets..
[12:45] <sacha__> hmm
[12:45] <sacha__> well back to windows
[12:45] <Quest-Master> Some people give up so easily.
[12:45] <zyme> how do i stop pinging when i type ping #### in the terminal
[12:45] <Quest-Master> :\
[12:45] <Hammerattack> lol
[12:46] <mcphail> Quest-Master: ctrl-c
[12:46] <zyme> kickass
[12:46] <zyme> is that how i close man pages
[12:46] <zyme> nevermind
[12:46] <Quest-Master> mcphail: ?
[12:46] <Hammerattack> It generally works for everything.
[12:46] <zyme> no, it isnt
[12:46] <mcphail> Quest-Master: sorry meant for zyme
[12:46] <zyme> how do i get back to the prompt when i type man cp
[12:46] <Quest-Master> Ok
[12:47] <streetbmx> hi
[12:47] <zyme> it just says end at the bottom
[12:47] <Hammerattack> Okay, I don't know if any Ubuntu devs are in here, but I just wanted to gush and say thank you for a well built, polished, and easy to use distro.
[12:47] <mcphail> zyme: press q
[12:48] <zyme> huzzah
[12:48] <zyme> that helps more than you can ever know
[12:48] <Hammerattack> I switched from Mandrake 10.1 Community a few days ago. Everything *just works* now. I've built half a dozen apps that wouldn't work at all under Mandrake.
[12:49] <Quest-Master> I used Mandrake for 5 minutes and decided it wasn't for me during my "quest to find the righteous distro."
[12:49] <Quest-Master> :P
[12:49] <zyme> if somebody asks me what os i am using, what do i say
[12:49] <Hammerattack> Ubuntu. And proudly.
[12:49] <zyme> what if they dont know what that is
[12:49] <zyme> can i say debian or something
[12:49] <Hammerattack> Depends.
[12:49] <zyme> wow, what a ridiculous question
[12:50] <zyme> its important though
[12:50] <mdke> ubuntu
[12:50] <zyme> ok
[12:50] <thoreauputic> zyme: the Debian people will tell you it isn't Debian :)
[12:50] <zyme> damn debian people
[12:50] <thoreauputic> zyme: well, they are right: it is *based* on Debian
[12:50] <Hammerattack> I'd say i'm using a distro based on debian, but with performance and usability enhancements.
[12:51] <Hammerattack> Then I'd hand them a live cd. They're cheap enough to rip, and people think they're neat.
[12:51] <monoxide> hmmm... i seem to have fixed my sound problems...
[12:51] <Quest-Master> #debian is.. not a friendly community, to say the least
[12:51] <Hammerattack> If it's someone who hasn't a clue what linux is, well... you'll just have to sit those people down and shatter their worldview.
[12:51] <monoxide> by simply turning off the sound server from automatically starting up...
[12:51] <thoreauputic> zyme: just say "ubuntu Linux" (or Ubuntu GNU/Linux if you want to be pedantic )
[12:51] <zyme> ok
[12:51] <zyme> i will be pedantic
[12:52] <Quest-Master> They're like, out there to kill any users of distributions based off Debian but not Debian
[12:52] <Hammerattack> pedantism rocks.
[12:52] <thoreauputic> zyme: ;-)
[12:52] <streetbmx> does anyone know about fixing the trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/htpasswd' problem while installing apache-utils
[12:52] <mcphail> Quest-Master: any time I've strayed onto #debian they've been quite friendly (and curious)
[12:53] <mdke> lol
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Oh really?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: not really - some of them have some maturity and ego issues, it's true
[12:53] <abelli> thoreauputic: >
[12:53] <abelli> >
[12:53] <mdke> i'm sure loads of em have tried ubuntu
[12:53] <abelli> thoreauputic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[12:54] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: lurking in #debian is very educational - some of the guys in there are real experts
[12:54] <zyme> i would just shit my pants with delight if i could figure out this whole dorm networking thing
[12:54] <Mez> nettworking =easy
[12:54] <ions> anyone here get an mp3 player to succesfully work with ubuntu?
[12:54] <mdke> lol
[12:55] <mdke> yes
[12:55] <ions> what kind?
[12:55] <zyme> i dont even know how to do anything beyond basic networking in windows
[12:55] <bebek> hello
[12:55] <Mez> yes ions
[12:55] <ions> what kind?
[12:55] <Mez> xmms
[12:55] <mdke> ions i use rhythmbox
[12:55] <ions> oh
[12:55] <ions> no
[12:55] <ions> I mean portable
[12:55] <ions> iRiver
[12:55] <Mez> oh.
[12:55] <mdke> oh
[12:55] <ions> etc
[12:55] <mdke> i use an ipod
[12:55] <Mez> then yeah.
[12:55] <Mez> lol
[12:55] <Mez> just any one that works liek a USB stick should work with it
[12:56] <Mez> I dunno if my Zen Micro'll work though
[12:56] <ions> I have an iRiver iFp-790 that isn't working
[12:56] <zyme> rythm box is really good
[12:56] <zyme> its kind of like foobar
[12:56] <P3L|C4N0> help me please!! news source.list for AMD64
[12:56] <mdke> is /etc/hotplug/blacklist overwritten by updates plskthx?
[12:56] <ions> dmesg says usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using address 7
[12:56] <ions> but nothing else happens
[12:56] <mdke> zyme, it is great huh
[12:56] <zyme> indeed
[12:56] <zyme> foobar is better, but oh well
[12:56] <mdke> ipod support now
[12:57] <akira> god i cant even get my dvd drives working?
[12:57] <bebek> my gnome always reported "No volume control elements and/or devices found" on every start up. As a result, the volume control panel doesn't load up. Well, to enable the sound i have to do "modprobe opl3sa2" on every startup. This will enable the sound. Running the sound applet again, however, reports the same error message. I need a way to increase the sound volume.... any suggestion? by the way, opl3sa2 is an oss module...
[12:57] <ions> so you guys don't know?
[12:57] <akira> hey anyone know what to use to burn a dvd iso?
[12:57] <JDahl> zyme, I have router sharing cable internet between my Ubuntu box and an XP laptop.. I installed samba with apt-get, created a user with smbpasswd -a, -e and after that I can browse the Windows shared folders without problems (and other way around)
[12:57] <neighborlee> im not finding 'msdos' in apt..any idea where I get an app to format thumb drives for linux ? ( google isn't funding much )
[12:57] <akira> use fdisk
[12:58] <Hammerattack> ooh, I haven't set up samba yet.
[12:58] <akira> and mkfs.fat
[12:58] <akira> i mean
[12:58] <akira> mkfs.vfat
[12:58] <zyme> jdahl: oh
[12:58] <zyme> heh
[12:59] <Dr_Acemaster> what dir should I install a screensaver to?
[01:00] <akira> bebek - try adding opl3sa2 to your /etc/modules file
[01:01] <zyme> wow my music player has been loading songs for like 3 hours
[01:01] <neighborlee> akira, k thx
[01:01] <drr-away> ions: my crappy creative muvo2 works pretty well
[01:01] <drr-away> out-of-box since it's a USB drive
[01:02] <akira> zyme - are you using rhymebox?
[01:02] <ions> I think I found something on it
[01:02] <zyme> yeah
[01:02] <drr-away> cheap if you get the "stripped" ones off ebay and stick a leftover CF card in
[01:02] <zyme> i told it to add about 28 gigs of mp3s though
[01:02] <zyme> that might be why
[01:02] <monoxide> ok, my sound is working now, but xmms still wont load properly...
[01:02] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas?
[01:02] <akira> are you getting errors?
[01:03] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ xmms
[01:03] <monoxide> Segmentation fault
[01:03] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $
[01:03] <mdke> who knows how to change the rate of my wifi card in ubuntu?
[01:03] <drr-away> can you run it under gdb to get an idea of where it fails. also strace -o tracefile.txt xmms might yield some clues.
[01:04] <akira> do you have a nvidia card?
[01:04] <mcphail> mdke: man iwconfig
[01:04] <akira> because you have to install some mikmod lib or something
[01:04] <monoxide> why does everyone ask if i a nvidea card? yes i do
[01:04] <akira> you need some libary for xmms to work
[01:04] <mdke> mcphail, i know how that works, but how can i change it when ubuntu starts it automatically?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> libmikmod2 IIRC
[01:05] <akira> thats it
[01:05] <monoxide> really?
[01:05] <P3L|C4N0> mdke, iwconfig wlan0 rate #M
[01:05] <monoxide> does anyone know what its called?
[01:05] <akira> yeah just do a apt-get install libmikmod2
[01:05] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, it will remember that for future times?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> monoxide: see above
[01:05] <monoxide> libmikmod2 is already the newest version.
[01:05] <thoreauputic> OK well that rules that one out :(
[01:06] <drr-away> have you tried beep-media-player instead?
[01:06] <Dr_Acemaster> what's the command to create the db file for locate before you use it for the first time?
[01:06] <akira> ugh
[01:06] <mcphail> mdke: i've found wifi and linux to be a difficult combination. My current setup isn't working.
[01:06] <drr-away> gtk2 based
[01:06] <drr-away> but similar
[01:06] <P3L|C4N0> mdke, edit file interfaces
[01:06] <mcphail> mdke: should be simple enough to do a cron job
[01:06] <akira> has anyone tried k3b?
[01:06] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, ok that's what I was thinking
[01:06] <thoreauputic> Dr_Acemaster: sudo updatedb
[01:06] <drr-away> BTW: no segfault, even without libmikmod2 here
[01:06] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, is there a man page for that file, i'm not familiar  with it
[01:06] <P3L|C4N0> mdke, add line rate #M
[01:06] <MaxeyPad> My usb mouse gimped up, I was wondering how I could restart my mouse without leaving X.  or rescan usb for that matter
[01:06] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, ok that seems easy
[01:06] <Tufek> hi everyone...i have Ubuntu 4.10 Warty , can i install with kernel 2.4.x kernel ?
[01:07] <monoxide> any other ideas?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Tufek: whatever for?
[01:07] <mcphail> mdke: think I got the wrong idea from your question ... sorry
[01:07] <mdke> mcphail, maybe
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Tufek: take advantage of all the improvements in 2.6.*
[01:07] <P3L|C4N0> mdke, add line wireless_rate #M
[01:07] <monoxide> drr-away, apparently only on nvidea graphics cards...
[01:08] <mdke> P3L|C4N0, thanks very much
[01:08] <drr-away> monoxide: that is highly odd :) but, ok.
[01:08] <akira> so noone has ever used k3b?
[01:08] <thoreauputic> akira: sure
[01:08] <Dr_Acemaster> thoreauputic: I get "warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory"
[01:09] <thoreauputic> Dr_Acemaster: it only says that the first time you run it ;)
[01:09] <akira> does it burn isos?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> it has to create that file
[01:09] <Tufek> thoreauputic, i know but when i install with 2.6.* my system clock always change why i dont know ( bur install on the vmware :)
[01:09] <thoreauputic> akira: of course
[01:10] <monoxide> beep media player seems to work and its based on xmms...
[01:10] <mcphail> akira: nautilus will burn isos as well
[01:10] <thoreauputic> Tufek: probably the hardware clock isn't set to GMT (windows issue?)
[01:10] <Dr_Acemaster> thoreauputic: it says that if I try locate, or even the command you told me "sudo updatedb"
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Dr_Acemaster: as I said, it only says it the first time you run updatedb - let it finish - it takes a while
[01:11] <gumpish> Dur, how do I upgrade to Hoary? I imagine I need to change my sources.list file - and then just run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:11] <Tufek> thoreauputic, no i check it is GMT
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Dr_Acemaster: it has to trawl through your whole hard  drive : that can take several minutes
[01:12] <akira> thoreauputic: Nautilus doesn't let me burn anything, but i can burn using cdrecord, so do you think this would work for burning dvd iso images? cdrecord doesn't handle it.
[01:12] <Tufek> thoreauputic, ok thanks anyway :)) bye
[01:12] <thoreauputic> akira: I don't know - I don't have a DVD
[01:12] <akira> i can't mount blank media in naulitus
[01:12] <mcphail> akira: you can't mount blank disks
[01:13] <akira> mcphail: yeah, it nautilus wont auotmount anything
[01:13] <mcphail> akira: blank media can never be mounted. No filesystem.
[01:13] <akira> mcphail: I have to mount manually, through nautilus.
[01:13] <mseney> anyone ever try using sound juicer and then have it exit just after you press "extract"?
[01:14] <mcphail> akira: what happens when you type nautilus burn:///
[01:14] <akira> then when i want to burn an iso, how come it keeps asking for a dvd/cd?
[01:14] <monoxide> an strace for xmms is at http://openoxide.net/xmms.txt if anyone cares to look
[01:14] <akira> it does this is i want to burn anything
[01:14] <gumpish> whoops. forgot to run apt-get update. No wonder there was only one new package available..
[01:14] <thoreauputic> mseney: try running sound-juicer from a terminal and see if it spits out any errors
[01:15] <mseney> thoreauputic, k brb
[01:15] <cicak> hello
[01:15] <cicak> if i run modprobe opl3sa2 to enable my sound card, which device is the mixer? since every mixer software seems to look in /dev/mixer and failed me
[01:16] <crimsun> cicak: do you mean modprobe snd-opl3sa2 ?
[01:16] <cicak> nope
[01:16] <mcphail> akira: I had some problems burning cd images until i tried dpkg-reconfigure -a (i can't remember exact syntax). Sorted out some simlinks etc
[01:16] <cicak> modprobe opl3sa2
[01:16] <cicak> it's an oss
[01:16] <crimsun> cicak: that's oss/free, so it'd be /dev/mixer. Make sure you 1) truly want that, then 2) it's loaded, then 3) the dev node exists.
[01:16] <akira> alright ill try it out
[01:16] <mseney> thoreauputic, seg fault.
[01:17] <cicak> crimsun: how do i make the /dev/mixer ?
[01:17] <cicak> crimsun: apparently it's not there
[01:17] <cicak> oh
[01:17] <cicak> it's there
[01:17] <mseney> thoreauputic, also when it first loads it gives an error "The currently selected audio profile is not available"
[01:17] <cicak> sorry
[01:17] <monoxide> mseney, i get the same problems with xmms
[01:18] <crimsun> monoxide: are you running current hoary, and is xmms set to use esd for output?
[01:18] <monoxide> did anyone look at the strace i posted?
[01:18] <crimsun> monoxide: yes.
[01:18] <tfh> Hello, I'm running hoary and I find firefox and thunderbird to be nearly unusable due to some random crashes and freezes, anyone has problems with these packages ?
[01:18] <crimsun> tfh: not here. Are only those two applications crashing?
[01:19] <monoxide> crimsun, i am running currnt hoary, and no idea what its trying to use but i seem to recall that it was setup to use OSS under warty before i upgraded
[01:19] <edOk> tengo una pci wmp54g alquien me puede indicar como utilizarle en ubuntu
[01:19] <edOk> les agradeceria
[01:19] <dud> edOk, #ubuntu-es
[01:19] <crimsun> monoxide: so under the preferences and output plugins, check to make sure it's set to use esd for output
[01:19] <tfh> crimsun, yes, for firefox it loads, starts displaying my home page then freezes for a minute or txo before resuming or crashing, is there any tool i could run to debug that ?
[01:19] <edOk> estoy en la lista pero nada
[01:19] <crimsun> monoxide: does glxinfo report that the nvidia drivers are correctly installed?
[01:20] <monoxide> crimsun, xmms wont start at all
[01:20] <crimsun> tfh: gdb or strace
[01:20] <cicak> hhhmmmmmm
[01:20] <cicak> apparently my mixer is /dev/mixer1 instead of /dev/mixer
[01:20] <akira> mcphail: it stops at  * Stopping bpalogin... [fail] 
[01:20] <akira> invoke-rc.d: initscript bpalogin, action "stop" failed.
[01:20] <cicak> and that's why every sound volume application failed
[01:20] <monoxide> segfault there too...
[01:20] <cicak> how to fix this?
[01:20] <crimsun> cicak: because udev creates the symlink from /dev/mixer -> mixer1
[01:20] <tfh> crimsun, any link for a tutorial on using those tools effectively ? I'll start with man gdb :)
[01:21] <crimsun> tfh: you probably want to start with strace (see the -o, -f, and -F flags)
[01:21] <cicak> crimsun: it doesn't on mine
[01:21] <tfh> crimsun, thx
[01:21] <cicak> crimsun: there's no symlink set up
[01:21] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ glxinfo
[01:21] <monoxide> Segmentation fault
[01:21] <monoxide> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $
[01:21] <monoxide> so id have to say that no, theey probably are not installed correctly...
[01:21] <crimsun> cicak: you'll need to create it
[01:22] <mcphail> akira: hmm... Perhaps you could just try reconfiguring nautilus*
[01:22] <crimsun> monoxide: then you've pinpointed why xmms fails to start.
[01:22] <cicak> crimsun: ln -s /dev/mixer /dev/mixer1 ?
[01:22] <crimsun> cicak: sure
[01:22] <mcphail> akira: btw, have you installed the nautilus-burn library?
[01:23] <ions> any of you guys know 'anthony_barker' from the ubuntu forums?
[01:23] <monoxide> anyway of telling what needs fixing and how to fix it?
[01:23] <akira> mcphail: Can't say i have
[01:23] <cicak> crimsun: wait... if i do that, is it /dev/mixer pointing to /dev/mixer1 or the other way around?
[01:23] <mcphail> akira: may be your problem....
[01:23] <crimsun> cicak: ln -s mixer1 mixer
[01:23] <monoxide> cicak, /dev/mixer pointing to /dev/mixer1
[01:24] <akira> mcphail: i checked for nautilus-cd-burner
[01:24] <Dave2|Laptop> I'm sure there's an M to RTF, but I've not found it - is there a way to override DHCP DNS settings?
[01:24] <crimsun> cicak: presuming your cwd is /dev
[01:24] <cicak> ok
[01:24] <akira> mcphail: and it's installed
[01:24] <cicak> crimsun: wait... if i don't run modprobe opl3sa2, there are no mixer nor mixer1
[01:24] <mcphail> akira: what happens when you type nautilus burn:/// in a console?
[01:25] <Hammerattack> There's a file.../etc/resolv.conf...plug your dns servers into there.
[01:25] <crimsun> monoxide: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log first, then check your nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) packages
[01:25] <Hammerattack> No special format.
[01:25] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, but that gets reset by DHCP
[01:25] <monoxide> crimsun, any way of finding what needs fixing?
[01:25] <cicak> crimsun: running modprobe creates both
[01:25] <crimsun> monoxide: I just said...
[01:25] <tfh> crimsun, ok thanks, i'm running strace right now and my firefox is frozen, let's see which signal finally wakes it up.
[01:25] <Hammerattack> Yes, I was  buying time for the rest of my explanation. There's another fileto edit.
[01:25] <cicak> crimsun: and as the result, i can't do ln -s since both file exists
[01:25] <akira> mcphail: The cd/dvd creator comes up
[01:25] <Hammerattack> ...I just...don't recall...which...
[01:25] <Dave2|Laptop> I've also tried installing the resolv-conf package, but that only puts my custom DNS at the end
[01:25] <Dave2|Laptop> heh
[01:25] <crimsun> cicak: if both files exist (/dev/mixer1 and /dev/mixer), then what's the issue?
[01:26] <monoxide> crimsun, yep, but my computer is lagging bad
[01:26] <akira> mcphail: but if i try to burn anything, it just keeps asking for an empty disk
[01:26] <cicak> crimsun: the issue is that all applications look for the mixer in /dev/mixer... they have to look in /dev/mixer1
[01:26] <mcphail> akira: can you burn to CD? is it just the DVD that is the problem?
[01:27] <monoxide> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[01:27] <Dave2|Laptop> (On a side note, is there any chance of Xorg 6.8.2 getting into apt soon?)
[01:27] <akira> mcphail: i can burn using cdrecord, but anything in nautilus doens't burn...
[01:27] <monoxide> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[01:27] <monoxide> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[01:27] <akira> mcphail: ill try a cd right now
[01:28] <monoxide> they seem to be the only errors i can find
[01:28] <abec> where can i find kernel sources to download?
[01:28] <Hammerattack> kernel.org
[01:28] <abec> thx
[01:28] <tfh> crimsun, when my firefox is frozen i get those signals in my strace : futex(0x80d5344, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL)   = 0
[01:28] <tfh> futex(0x80d5344, FUTEX_WAKE, 1)         = 0
[01:29] <akira> mcphail: yeah just get a Reload rewritable or blank media
[01:29] <mcphail> akira: give me a minute
[01:29] <monoxide> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[01:29] <monoxide> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-k7 is already the newest version.
[01:29] <crimsun> cicak: but /dev/mixer exists?
[01:29] <tfh> many times, and I really don't see what it means ( is it something to do with mutex and threads.... i'm lost)
[01:30] <cicak> crimsun: yes
[01:30] <monoxide> crimsun, from what you said the only problem i could find was: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[01:30] <Hammerattack> Dave2|Laptop: Question...any reason you can use the gnome control panel for dns settings?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> akira: is /dev/cdrom pointing in the right direction? ls -l /dev/cdrom
[01:30] <mcphail> akira: what does sudo dpkg-reconfigure nautilus-cd-burner do?
[01:30] <crimsun> cicak: so use the -f flag with ln
[01:30] <cicak> crimsun: however, if i run the volume software normally, they would look in /dev/mixer, and reports that there's nothing there.. i have to run them using parameter to look in /dev/mixer1 instead....
[01:31] <cicak> crimsun: like   ln -f /dev/mixer /dev/mixer1 ? or the other way around?
[01:31] <crimsun> ln -sf
[01:31] <crimsun> and the other way around
[01:31] <crimsun> I suggest you read man ln
[01:31] <thoreauputic> cicak: the target comes first
[01:32] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, because I have no idea where it is, and tend to use config files for this kind of thing
[01:32] <akira> mcphail: completes fine
[01:32] <mcphail> akira: the other thing to try is sudo dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord (even though cdrecord is working)
[01:32] <crimsun> monoxide: so figure out why it fails to load glx
[01:32] <Hammerattack> On the Computer menu, under System Config, In Networking
[01:32] <Hammerattack> I got tired of having to chase down config files.
[01:33] <zyme> hay dudes where do i go to set up my proxy settings
[01:33] <monoxide> #flood
[01:33] <Hammerattack> You must've just ben in #debian
[01:33] <Odin2347> hehe
[01:33] <Odin2347> the people there aren't so nice...
[01:33] <monoxide> crimsun, thats all i can find
[01:33] <akira> mcphail: got this doing cdrecord: Generating missing device files needed by cdrecord
[01:34] <zyme> ohh a proxy support howto
[01:34] <zyme> joy of joys
[01:34] <Odin2347> the mepis people are very very nice
[01:34] <mcphail> akira: try burning again now
[01:34] <crimsun> monoxide: comment out Load "dri" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:34] <akira> mcphail: no dice, same plese insert media
[01:35] <mcphail> akira: sorry then. This worked for me.
[01:35] <cicak> crimsun: thx! it works now!
[01:35] <monoxide> ok, brb
[01:36] <akira> mcphail: i think the problem lies else where, nautilus wont automount my drives, however my usb key mounts fine
[01:36] <crimsun> zyme: in hoary?
[01:36] <zyme> no, warty
[01:36] <zyme> i figured it out anyway
[01:37] <dstevens> hi all ? just upgraded from warty hoary : having problems with screen resolution;
[01:37] <monoxide> crimsun, no help
[01:37] <EfaistOs> hi ... where i can found image magick  ?
[01:37] <crimsun> monoxide: so look at your logfile again
[01:37] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, I don't have a computer menu; hoary.
[01:38] <monoxide> dstevens, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:38] <Hammerattack> oooh...
[01:38] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[01:38] <Hammerattack> I'll have to actually think then.
[01:38] <dstevens> monoxide, will try that..
[01:39] <EfaistOs> not working
[01:39] <crimsun> zyme: right. It'd be under Computer>Desktop Preferences>Network Proxy
[01:39] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: your sources.list is correctly set up?
[01:39] <Hammerattack> cd ..
[01:39] <zyme> is there any way to automatically detect proxy settings or at least figure out what they are?
[01:40] <EfaistOs> thoreauputic, #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[01:40] <EfaistOs> #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## repository.
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[01:40] <EfaistOs> ## team.
[01:40] <EfaistOs> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse
[01:40] <EfaistOs> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse
[01:40] <EfaistOs> #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[01:40] <EfaistOs> #deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[01:40] <monoxide> crimsun, #flood, i cant see anything wrong there except the error
[01:40] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: stop it!
[01:40] <crimsun> monoxide: you need to paste your entire log file.
[01:40] <EfaistOs> thoreauputic, :p
[01:40] <EfaistOs> sorry
[01:40] <crimsun> monoxide: http://pastebin.ca
[01:40] <monoxide> EfaistOs, #flood next time
[01:40] <mcphail> akira: apps -> system tools -> config editor -> desktop -> gnome -> volume_manager may be worth a look
[01:40] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: please never do that again: use pastebin or #flood
[01:41] <EfaistOs> thoreauputic, oki
[01:42] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: your problem is your main sources are commented out
[01:42] <thoreauputic>  #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
 #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[01:43] <monoxide> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/6502
[01:43] <EfaistOs> thoreauputic, oups ... i didnt see that ... thanks
[01:43] <EfaistOs> :p
[01:44] <Hammerattack> Dave2|Laptop: Try editing /etc/network/interfaces to remove "DHCP" from the auto eth0 section
[01:44] <dstevens> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200502270040
[01:44] <monoxide> dstevens, thats incase you made changes to the config file. if you just installed hoary dont worry about that
[01:45] <monoxide> dstevens, press ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:45] <monoxide> to reset gnome
[01:45] <dstevens> monoxide, when i try to put the screen resolution back to 1400x1050 as normal it seem to only goto 1024 and spans multiple screens.
[01:45] <crimsun> monoxide: and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:45] <Hammerattack> replace DHCP with "static", then on the next line type "address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx", then the next line is "netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
[01:46] <Hammerattack> address is your fixed ip address, and netmask is...well...you know
[01:46] <dstevens> weird, i have four x-xhat session in the same window.
[01:46] <monoxide> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/6503
[01:47] <crimsun> monoxide: uncomment Load "glx"
[01:48] <monoxide> brb, but as i recall that causes xorg to not load at all, hence why its commented out...
[01:50] <spizkapa> hello
[01:51] <spizkapa> does anyone have a zaurus 5500 that they use with ubuntu?
[01:51] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, but I do want to use DHCP
[01:51] <Dave2|Laptop> Just want my own DNS to be high up
[01:51] <spizkapa> I need help getting ethernet over usb to work
[01:51] <Lee__> spizkapa: I have one that works with Debian sarge
[01:52] <Lee__> should be the same configuration
[01:52] <spizkapa> what did you have to do Lee__ ?
[01:52] <Lee__> http://www.ossh.com/zaurus/mirrors/docs.zaurus.com/lc_debian.shtml
[01:52] <Lee__> ^^^
[01:52] <spizkapa> excellent, I'll have a look
[01:52] <MaxeyPad> I'm using vmware workstation 4.5 under ubuntu.  However, for some reason when I stop my vm sometimes it kills my usb mouse.  Is there a way to get that mouse back short of restarting ubuntu.
[01:52] <Lee__> even gives it an Internet connection from the USB cradle
[01:53] <Lee__> MaxeyPad: try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[01:53] <MaxeyPad> k trying that now
[01:53] <MaxeyPad> this should take a moment correct?
[01:54] <spizkapa> Lee__ are you sure that site is still up?
[01:54] <Lee__> y
[01:54] <Lee__> spizkapa: yeah, it's in my browser window now
[01:54] <MaxeyPad> its been about 60 seconds and i've not gotten any input back.
[01:54] <MaxeyPad> is that normal?
[01:55] <Lee__> oh well. that sucks. you try unplugging it?
[01:55] <spizkapa> weird... I get www.ossh.com not found
[01:55] <monoxide> ol
[01:55] <thoreauputic> spizkapa: loaded in seconds here on dialup
[01:56] <MaxeyPad> :) heh
[01:56] <monoxide> crimsun, for that to even startup i had to change it to Load "nv-glx"
[01:56] <MaxeyPad> 
[01:56] <monoxide> but its still not working
[01:57] <crimsun> monoxide: then forget "nvidia" altogether and just use "nv"
[01:57] <crimsun> monoxide: and comment out Load "glx"
[01:58] <spizkapa> just checking, Lee__ is the site you sent me correct?
[01:58] <monoxide> ok, trying that
[01:59] <thoreauputic> spizkapa: as I said, his link loaded immediately here
[01:59] <Hammerattack> Dave2|Laptop: You appear to be SOL. You might try adding the lines primary, secondary, and tertiary and see if that does anything.
[02:00] <monoxide> still not wokring and the colour look a little off now as well...
[02:00] <Dave2|Laptop> Hammerattack, thanks for your help anyway
[02:00] <crimsun> monoxide: are you on amd64?
[02:00] <monoxide> no
[02:00] <crimsun> monoxide: uname -r
[02:01] <Zenith-> Can I change the language of Ubuntu after it's been installed?
[02:01] <monoxide> 2.6.10-4-k7
[02:01] <dstevens> monoxide, seems to be working now cheers, made changes(again) rebooted all was good.
[02:01] <crimsun> monoxide: which version, -24 ?
[02:01] <monoxide> that is exaclty what was output by uname
[02:02] <crimsun> monoxide: now check the version of that package
[02:02] <monoxide> dstevens, great :)
[02:02] <zyme> is there a firefox plugin to automatically detect proxy settings?
[02:03] <spizkapa> hmmm, I can't see that site...
[02:03] <monoxide> -24
[02:03] <thoreauputic> zyme: have you searched the extensions page?
[02:03] <zyme> yeah
[02:04] <zyme> i didnt find anything there, but i saw such a plugin mentioned on the ubuntu forums
[02:04] <spizkapa> Lee__ did you have to blacklist cdcether?
[02:04] <crimsun> monoxide: you need to ask in #nvidia or on the nvnews.net forum
[02:04] <crimsun> monoxide: this is definitely an nvidia-related issue
[02:05] <monoxide> and il check the ubuntu guide too... there some stuff on nvidea there
[02:05] <Lee__> spizkapa: no
[02:05] <Lee__> I think that's not in the 2.6 kernel
[02:05] <Lee__> last time I say it was in Fedora 1
[02:05] <Lee__> s/say/saw/
[02:06] <spizkapa> Lee__: basically, the problem is that the Z is recognised by ubuntu but no usb0 can be ifup-ed
[02:06] <spizkapa> so eg usbnet is loaded
[02:06] <Lee__> if you follow the instructions on that page, everything will happen automatically.
[02:06] <Lee__> what does dmesg say?
[02:07] <dolson> I just installed Ubuntu. I did the nvidia-glx enable thingy, but now my monitor is black... I hear the sound play when it boots up and gets to the login screen, but X doesn't actually start
[02:07] <spizkapa> Lee__: it says "usb0: register usbnet at usb-0000:00:10.3-6.1, Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00"
[02:07] <ftwig> anyobe know what ** (gnome-alsamixer:6813): WARNING **: gam_toggle_get_state (). No idea what to do for mixer element "IEC958"! means, i'me trying to start gnome-alsamizer
[02:07] <spizkapa> but then ifconfig doesn't show usb0
[02:07] <Lee__> now type /sbin/ifconfig -a
[02:07] <Lee__> oh, weird.
[02:08] <_4strO> hi all
[02:08] <dolson> hi
[02:08] <spizkapa> Lee__ but hang on, there is an eth1 and eth0
[02:08] <_4strO> i have a pb with totem
[02:08] <spizkapa> Lee__ maybe one is in fact the Z
[02:08] <_4strO> and alsa
[02:08] <_4strO> and I don't find the conf file
[02:09] <_4strO> is anybody have an idea ?
[02:09] <jakejarvis> can somebody tell me if they can get to 68.192.183.230:8080?
[02:09] <Lee__> spizkapa: yeah, unless you have two NICs
[02:09] <spizkapa> oops, I do, mobo nic and the one I use
[02:10] <Zenith-> Can I change the language of Ubuntu after it's been installed? I wanna use english, and not my local language...
[02:10] <Lee__> jakejarvis: nope
[02:10] <jakejarvis> hmm, ok - thanks!
[02:10] <spizkapa> Lee__ I'm tail-ing -f /var/log/messages and when the Z goes to slepp it says usb 4-6.1: new full speed USB device using address 9
[02:10] <spizkapa> usb 4-6.1: device not accepting address 9, error -32
[02:10] <spizkapa> maybe that's a hint
[02:10] <Lee__> yeah, I've seen that too with my mobo
[02:11] <Lee__> I usually have to change the USB port or worse, reboot.
[02:11] <Lee__> I think is has to do with cheap mobos and USB power consumption of sumn
[02:11] <dolson> is the nvidia driver supposed to work or does everyone get the black screen like this?
[02:11] <apokryphos> works here
[02:11] <Lee__> works for me
[02:12] <Zenith-> I cant get it to work in hoary...
[02:12] <dolson> do you think I made a mistake? I installed it and ran the command that it said to run and then restarted X
[02:12] <Lee__> try ctrl + alt + backspace
[02:13] <dolson> I did. every time it does that, after a few seconds, I hear that sound play that means I can log in now
[02:13] <Lee__> ctrl + alt + numpad "+"
[02:13] <Blues-Man> hello
[02:14] <dolson> I can log in too, and hear the sound from the splash screen
[02:14] <dolson> numpad's not doing anything
[02:14] <Blues-Man> I've got a Pentium I 133 64mb and I would put it on ubuntu but if possible without gnome, only window maker, is it possible?
[02:14] <Lee__> that's cupposed to cycle resolutions in the config file
[02:15] <dolson> yeah
[02:15] <Lee__> Blues-Man: don't do it. use something lighter, like Debian.
[02:15] <dolson> brb, wife is bugging me
[02:15] <Rotund> I just installed Hoary.  May I just say "WOW"
[02:15] <Blues-Man> Lee__: I haven't debian on a cd, only on a Dvd
[02:15] <Blues-Man> :/
[02:15] <Rotund> Congrats on the changes guys
[02:15] <Blues-Man> and I've gprs
[02:15] <Lee__> the download the netinst cd. it's ~ 100 megs
[02:16] <Blues-Man> Lee__: netinst with gprs?
[02:16] <Blues-Man> is there a debina cd ..only one?
[02:16] <Blues-Man> *debian
[02:17] <Lee__> Blues-Man: that might suck.
[02:17] <Lee__> perhaps a light UNIX, like OpenBSD?
[02:17] <Blues-Man> I would X
[02:18] <Lee__> that's some pretty minimal hardware
[02:18] <monoxide> still not working. im asking in #nvidia
[02:18] <Odin2347> wow!!!!
[02:18] <Odin2347> ubuntu is the 1st distro
[02:18] <Odin2347> to detect my wireless card
[02:18] <Blues-Man> openbsd is too difficulut for me :)
[02:18] <Lee__> well, that hardware is pretty "exceptional" by today's standards.
[02:18] <Odin2347> i'm still not connected to the internet though :/
[02:18] <Odin2347> can someone help me?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: should work with debian minimal install + say fluxbox or openbox (maybe windowmaker)
[02:18] <Lee__> so you'll have to do sone work
[02:19] <Odin2347> under devices it shows up as atheros abg wireless NIC
[02:19] <Blues-Man> thoreauputic: so can I use ubuntu cd do that?
[02:19] <Odin2347> and if i click on network it says "windows network"
[02:19] <Lee__> Blues-Man: netinst, 'apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox' should get everything.
[02:19] <Blues-Man> *to do
[02:19] <Lee__> Blues-Man: no, Ubuntu is not Debian.
[02:19] <Lee__> you have to use the Debian CD to do that.
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: don't know - probably with a custom install : it's just the debian sarge installer, basically
[02:20] <Blues-Man> but debian minimal install requires lots of download I think
[02:20] <Blues-Man> and gprs will not help me
[02:20] <Odin2347> can someone tell me how to get my wireless card to connect to my windows network?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Lee__: it's possible to do minimal installs with ubuntu - there's a howto on the wiki I believe
[02:21] <calc> just boot into expert mode
[02:21] <calc> very easy :)
[02:21] <Blues-Man> thoreauputic: if true could you link me plaese?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: hmm
[02:21] <calc> at the prompt on the ubuntu install cd type "expert"
[02:21] <zyme> in rythmbox, how do i clear the library?
[02:21] <Lee__> oh, cool. I think the big difference is Ubuntu is a big desktop distro while Debian is kind of a kitchen sink distro. You can do anything you want with it.
[02:21] <zyme> wait nevermind
[02:22] <Lee__> Odin2347: man iwconfig
[02:22] <Blues-Man> hey then is the apt-get upgrade is catastrofic like in some others distro like knoppix?bad experience with it :)
[02:22] <Blues-Man> not upgrade sorry
[02:22] <tolstoy_> is there a way to change that new nautilus behavior where the desktop switches to the active nautilus windows rather than going to the desktop?
[02:22] <Blues-Man> dist-upgrade
[02:22] <Lee__> Blues-Man: that's cause you installed Knoppix to a hard disk. bad idea.
[02:22] <Blues-Man> yes dist-upgrade
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: no , dist upgrade is OK in ubuntu
[02:23] <calc> ubuntu is a real dist unlike knoppix
[02:23] <Blues-Man> ok
[02:23] <Odin2347> hmm
[02:23] <Odin2347> what do i do after iwconfig
[02:23] <Blues-Man> Lee__: I haven't knew it :)
[02:23] <Lee__> do what the manual pages says, configura your card.
[02:23] <Odin2347> ok
[02:23] <Odin2347> thanks
[02:24] <tfh> grrr my firefox is broken
[02:24] <tfh> it freezes everytime i launch it
[02:24] <tfh> then resumes and works, but the freeze is one minute long at least.
[02:24] <tfh> i'm stracing it but i cannot interpret the strace :(
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM/view?searchterm=minimal%20install
[02:25] <apokryphos> Have got a seemingly insurmountable problem. This one error is giving me quite some grief: http://pastebin.com/246805
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: I think that's the one
[02:25] <apokryphos> Thought it might have been because it's looking for xfree while I have xorg installed, but apparently that's not the problem.
[02:25] <Blues-Man> thoreauputic: tnx :)
[02:26] <Odin2347> when i type iwconfig it says eht0 interface doesn't support lo interface doesnt support and sit0 doesnt support
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Blues-Man: it links to http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[02:27] <apokryphos> I'm told the problem is that it's not linking a lib properly. Does ubuntu split xorg in some weird way? Why can't it find the necessary stuff?
[02:27] <MaxeyPad> how exaclty can I assocate mp3 files with xmms instead of totem?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> MaxeyPad: in nautilus, right click, properties , choose "open with" i think (from an mp3 file0
[02:28] <net_benjo> Hi....does anybody know what to do if the system did not "cleanly unmount" my root partition......now every time at boot system hangs....
[02:28] <Blues-Man> yes I've seen :)
[02:28] <MaxeyPad> thanks
[02:29] <MaxeyPad> so has a book on ubuntu been published yet
[02:29] <Lee__> a book for what?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> MaxeyPad: you might want to look at http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:30] <thoreauputic> also lots of stuff on the ubuntulinux.org website
[02:30] <Odin2347> anyone up for helping a linux noob getting his wireless working?
[02:30] <Lee__> Odin2347: is your AP using WEP?
[02:30] <Odin2347> i dont know
[02:31] <Odin2347> it might, but i lost the password to the router
[02:31] <Lee__> good place to start
[02:31] <encKe`> is there a program that comes with Ubuntu that will burn .iso?
[02:31] <fgubuntu> hi
[02:31] <Lee__> time to reset it break out your router manual
[02:31] <net_benjo> I'dd appreciate any advice on how to resolve my issue....my system hangs every time at boot when doing hotplug....
[02:31] <Odin2347> hehe
[02:32] <Odin2347> the one time i need the manual... i can't find it
[02:32] <fgubuntu> anyone using fvwm2?
[02:32] <net_benjo> I also get a message that system has not cleanly unmounted before..
[02:33] <net_benjo> can I use knoppix live cd to change some files on ubuntu system??
[02:33] <fgubuntu> any ubuntu X guru here?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: sure you can
[02:34] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: you'd need to mount the ubuntu system read-write, probably
[02:34] <net_benjo> thoreaputic:  I've tried it..however....i use su command to become root..then when I open any files on mounted ubuntu partion it tells me that its a read only file..
[02:34] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: but to check the files system, you don't mount
[02:35] <net_benjo> how do I mount  in read-write mode?
[02:35] <timlinux> hi does anyone know of a source for kde 3.4rc1 to add to apt?
[02:35] <net_benjo> mount -rw or something like that?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: in knoppix/kde you can usually just change the properties inthe properties dialogue fro the context menu
[02:36] <thoreauputic> right-click the file you want and change the properties
[02:36] <net_benjo> aah...thank you thoreaputic....ofcourse the simplest solution eluded me..
[02:36] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:37] <net_benjo> I'll give it a try...thanks a bunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:37] <fgubuntu> do you think it's possible to use fvwm+gnome in ubuntu?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> fgubuntu: in linux anything is possible
[02:38] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:38] <Odin2347> woohoo i remember my password
[02:38] <tfh> encKe`, cdrecord ?
[02:38] <monoxide> crimsun, it isnt my graphics setup, i tried using the vesa driver and it still doesnt work
[02:39] <kaos> why can't I use sh @ the command line for a .bin file it just gives me this: root@ubuntu:/home/fred # sh j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin
[02:39] <kaos> j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin: j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory
[02:39] <fgubuntu> thoreauputic: do you know docs about switching from metacity to fvwm2?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> fgubuntu: no, sorry - but I'm sure a bit of googling would find something
[02:40] <Odin2347> Lee__: i have WEP disabled..what should i do next?
[02:40] <tfh> anyone knows how to disable screen blanking on laptops when using mplayer in full screen ? every 20 mins i get the screensaver and when i'm on battery every 10 mins the screen blank
[02:41] <thoreauputic> fgubuntu: something in gnome-session-properties maybe?
[02:41] <kaos>  why can't I use sh @ the command line for a .bin file it just gives me this: root@ubuntu:/home/fred # sh j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin  j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin: j2re-1_5_01-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory
[02:42] <fgubuntu> thoreauputic: thx. can you imagine something that could compromize or keep my ubuntu "not regular" after this switch?
[02:43] <JDahl> kaos, as a side note there're easier ways to install java: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:43] <thoreauputic> fgubuntu: I don't know enough to answer that, sorry - I'm just a user, not a dev or a guru ;-)
[02:43] <png> kdos http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[02:44] <fgubuntu> thoreauputic: ok. thx!!!
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i list packages installed from apt-get, not including packages that i installed "local"ly?
[02:44] <marcin_ant> kaos: sh ./j2re.....
[02:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> dpkg -l lists even locally installed
[02:45] <marcin_ant> kaos: not sh j2re>>>
[02:45] <Pluk> tfh, xset -dpms
[02:45] <marcin_ant> kaos: can you see the difference?
[02:45] <Pluk> that disables the enrgy star features
[02:46] <Pluk> xset +dpms to turn it on again
[02:46] <Pluk> but i thought mplayer had a switch for it
[02:47] <monoxide> does anyone know a good alternative to wine?
[02:48] <goedecke_> hi
[02:48] <OrangeSlice> winex?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> monoxide: vodka?
[02:48] <goedecke_> haw i unistal a aplication ?
[02:48] <tfh> pluk, thx i'll give it a try
[02:48] <monoxide> thoreauputic, haha... are you being serious? or are there some very disturbed linux package namers...
[02:48] <tfh> mplayer has a switch for xscreensaver ( which doesn't work in ubuntu btw :) ) but not for energystar
[02:48] <thoreauputic> goedecke_: sudo apt-get remove <app-packagename>
[02:49] <thoreauputic> goedecke_: or easier, use synaptic
[02:49] <Pluk> tfh setterm -blank 0 is also possible
[02:49] <thoreauputic> monoxide: apt-cache search vodka *grin*
[02:51] <thoreauputic> monoxide: but there are indeed some seriously disturbed linux package namers ;-)
[02:52] <OrangeSlice> need I mention sex?
[02:52] <OrangeSlice> Simple Editor for X?  ;)
[02:52] <Odin2347> lol
[02:52] <monoxide> lol
[02:52] <thoreauputic> OrangeSlice: beat me to it ;-)
[02:52] <Odin2347> anyone want to help me get my wireless working?
[02:52] <monoxide> OrangeSlice, that guy needs to get out more...
[02:52] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[02:53] <thoreauputic> type  ` apt-get moo`  ;-)
[02:53] <OrangeSlice> orange@ubuntu ~ $ apt-cache show sex, Package: sex, Priority: optional
[02:53] <monoxide> LOL
[02:53] <thoreauputic> OrangeSlice: optional???
[02:53] <OrangeSlice> yes, apparently.
[02:53] <tfh> lol
[02:53] <thoreauputic> haha
[02:54] <Odin2347> no one wants to help me? :(
[02:54] <OrangeSlice> we're laughing at sex.  give us a minute ;p
[02:54] <Odin2347> ok ;P
[02:54] <monoxide> hehe
[02:54] <tfh> then help yourself :) I'm sorry i'm incompetent when it comes to wireless
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: if you were more specific, someone might be a ble to help
[02:54] <Odin2347> Ok
[02:55] <Odin2347> i have a dlink g520
[02:55] <Odin2347> atheros chipset
[02:55] <monoxide> E: Couldn't find package winex
[02:55] <Odin2347> ubuntu recognnizes it
[02:55] <Odin2347> its listed as abg atheros wireless NIC
[02:55] <OrangeSlice> winex is only available via CVS
[02:55] <Odin2347> if i click on network
[02:55] <Odin2347> it shows a windows network
[02:55] <monoxide> ahh
[02:55] <OrangeSlice> http://winex.sourceforge.net
[02:55] <Odin2347> but im not connected to the internet
[02:55] <thoreauputic> monoxide: winex is proprietary and you pay for it I believe
[02:55] <tfh> shit 253 mb strace, should have stopped it before. now i can't submit it to a bug report
[02:55] <OrangeSlice> winex is the free version of cedega
[02:56] <monoxide> any others? i would prefer something i can apt-get and something i dont need to pay for
[02:56] <thoreauputic> ah - I stand corrected
[02:56] <OrangeSlice> it's basically cedega without the cd copy-protection code and some other minor things
[02:56] <monoxide> OrangeSlice, as in to undo cd copy protection or what?
[02:57] <marcin_ant> Odin2347: go to System -> Administration -> Configure network devices and connections
[02:57] <OmniColos> odin are you just tring to connect to your wlan?
[02:57] <OrangeSlice> something like that, I dunno.  I have pirated cedege debs :p
[02:57] <thoreauputic> monoxide: dare I suggest - just dump your MS apps?
[02:57] <Odin2347> OmniColos: Yes
[02:57] <Odin2347> it's detected..
[02:57] <tfh> thoreauputic, you have the solution lol
[02:57] <Odin2347> and so is the network
[02:57] <marcin_ant> Odin2347: or sudo network-admin from terminal
[02:57] <OmniColos> odin type ifconfig and see if the device is up
[02:57] <monoxide> thoreauputic, unless you can give me some half decent linux games then no
[02:58] <tfh> thoreauputic, except sometimes weird schools or companies just need you to use windows apps :(
[02:58] <OrangeSlice> UT2K4 isn't decent?
[02:58] <Odin2347> ok ill t ry it brb
[02:58] <tfh> monoxide, dual boot
[02:58] <OmniColos> do you have a wired nic too?
[02:58] <Odin2347> yea
[02:58] <Odin2347> inegrated
[02:58] <thoreauputic> monoxide: I don't know about linux games
[02:58] <Odin2347> integrated***
[02:58] <OmniColos> odin you should see lo, eth0 and eth1
[02:58] <Odin2347> i see lo eth0 and sit0
[02:58] <thoreauputic> monoxide: I'm told such do exist
[02:58] <tfh> monoxide, I play ET UT2004 and doom3 on linux they are decent, since wow runs on mac i'm sure it can be forced to run on linux but never tried it
[02:59] <OmniColos> type iwconfig
[02:59] <tfh> OrangeSlice, which anime? i'm an otaku too
[02:59] <OmniColos> is there an enty for eth1?
[02:59] <Odin2347> i tried that earlier and it said eth0 doesnt support wireless or something like that
[02:59] <Odin2347> no
[02:59] <OmniColos> ok
[02:59] <Odin2347> eth0 lo and sit0
[02:59] <monoxide> tfh, i am getting another harddrive to run a winXP install off, but i dont really want to be rebooting just to run games...
[02:59] <An00b15> the latest version (1.0.1) of Firefox has been released.
[02:59] <OrangeSlice> um... kaleido star, key the metal idol
[02:59] <OmniColos> eth0 is prolly your wired nic
[03:00] <mjr> tfh, as a curiosity, the latest wine weekly news reported wow being playable with wine plus some recent opengl patches
[03:00] <K-Rich> crimsun: you on dude?
[03:00] <Odin2347> yea
[03:00] <Odin2347> what is lo and sit0 then
[03:00] <OrangeSlice> would say howl's moving castle but I watched that this morning
[03:00] <tfh> mjr, never dabbled in wine never will, if one day i'm tired of dualbooting i'll just use vmware. wine just seems to be too much work
[03:00] <OmniColos> odin try: ifconfig eth1 up
[03:01] <dolson> ok, back
[03:01] <tfh> OrangeSlice, i like moving castle dunno the other one
[03:01] <Odin2347> ok ill try it
[03:01] <Odin2347> brb
[03:01] <Odin2347> the other computer is upstairs
[03:02] <tfh> An00b15, is that released on ubuntu ? or released on mozilla ? cos my firefox is bugged i'm dying for an update
[03:02] <monoxide> tfh, what is wow?
[03:03] <Odin2347> it says
[03:03] <tfh> monoxide, World of Warcraft my latest addiction
[03:03] <dolson> ick
[03:03] <Odin2347> iconfig command not known
[03:03] <monoxide> ahh :)
[03:03] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: ifconfig
[03:03] <Odin2347> ahhhhhhhhhh
[03:03] <dolson> lol
[03:03] <Odin2347> lol
[03:03] <goedecke_> how to i put a icon in the menu aplication | Internet ?
[03:03] <png> maybe elseconfig
[03:03] <mjr> tfh, never is a long time, and you won't be treating your addiction with vmware :)
[03:03] <dolson> gotoconfig
[03:04] <OmniColos> man odin is gonna get lots of exercise tonite
[03:04] <png> :)
[03:04] <dolson> IsNotconfig(tm)
[03:04] <dolson> okay, so. black screen, nvidia drivers, I type in _____ to fix it?
[03:04] <Odin2347> i am
[03:05] <Odin2347> "error no such device"
[03:05] <tfh> mjr, i know that i will never use it because my time playing with linux is dwindling ( sucks to work i wan to be a student again)
[03:05] <png> goedecke_, i cant do it in hoary. if u can find a way, tell me to:)
[03:05] <tfh> png, same here
[03:05] <OmniColos> odin: what brand wireless card is it
[03:05] <tfh> png, i think it's in the hoary roadmap or the gnome 2.10 roadmap to have a graphical menueditor
[03:06] <Odin2347> Dlink
[03:06] <Odin2347> G520
[03:06] <Jae686> hi
[03:06] <OmniColos> ok do you have the module for it loaded? type lsmod to see...
[03:06] <Odin2347> it should work "out of the box"
[03:06] <Odin2347> ok
[03:07] <otterit> good evening....i was wondering if someone could help with a wireless (wusb11) question.
[03:07] <dolson> tfh: graphical menu editor? is it going to be an abomination like KDE's menu editor?
[03:07] <otterit> is there a gui that can help setup the wireless NIC?
[03:08] <png> tfh, im updating apt-cache every hour for it:)
[03:08] <Odin2347> i dont see anything wireless related coming up...
[03:09] <tfh> dolson, no idea, i know that when i wanted to add a psi icon to my menu i looked around on the net for gnome 2.9 menueditor and i only found it on the gnome 2.10 roadmap, but that was a month or two ago maybe it has fleshed out  abit
[03:09] <OmniColos> odin: take a look here: http://www.techspot.com/vb/archive/index/t-7157.html
[03:09] <_blue> yo, who has used at att 6500g wireless card w/ atheros chipset for their ubuntu box?
[03:09] <tfh> wireless worked out of the bow for me, i'm so lucky (except i have an ati card:( )
[03:09] <tfh> -w+x
[03:10] <_blue> ati card?
[03:10] <Odin2347> hmmmm
[03:10] <heyrhett> I just set up ubuntu.  Got dual screens going!
[03:10] <Odin2347> ive tried it with madwifi before
[03:10] <tfh> ati graphic card which plain sucks on linux
[03:10] <Odin2347> didnt work
[03:10] <noppe> tfh: yep their drivers are #@$#@ terrible..
[03:10] <_blue> odin: its suppose to work outta the box with ubuntu
[03:10] <Jae686> regarding the asus baterry hack, were can i get it and how do i install it?
[03:11] <heyrhett> so, ubuntu is based on debian?
[03:11] <_blue> tfh: not video, wireless network card
[03:11] <tfh> _blue, i know
[03:11] <otterit> wusb11 atmel (http://at76c503a.berlios.de/) has anyone used this driver?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: yes
[03:11] <heyrhett> ok, i used to use redhat
[03:11] <_blue> Odin2347: that card didnt work w/ madwifi?
[03:11] <heyrhett> this apt business is new to me
[03:11] <Odin2347> no
[03:11] <otterit> what's madwifi?
[03:11] <Odin2347> a driver
[03:12] <Odin2347> for atheros based wireless cards
[03:12] <heyrhett> but I sure hated dealing with setting up debian.  Seems like ubuntu might be what I want
[03:12] <_blue> its supported under madwifi
[03:12] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: use the synaptic package manager
[03:12] <_blue> how does it not work?
[03:12] <Odin2347> dont know
[03:12] <otterit> _blue ... madwifi should work with a wusb11 NIC?  http://at76c503a.berlios.de/
[03:12] <otterit> ??
[03:12] <heyrhett> ok, i'll read about that
[03:12] <_blue> no...
[03:12] <otterit> no...:(
[03:12] <otterit> *sigh*
[03:12] <_blue> linksys....which one?
[03:12] <tfh> well it's 3am here, goodnight and goodluck
[03:13] <_blue> v2.5?
[03:13] <Odin2347> ive used kanotix before and that has mad wifi
[03:13] <otterit> linksys wusb11
[03:13] <otterit> _blue >> version 2.8
[03:13] <jakejarvis> question: is there a firewall in ubuntu enabled by default?
[03:13] <otterit> Atmel AT76C503A
[03:13] <_blue> im not sure about that version...
[03:13] <Cindux> ><
[03:13] <Cindux> damnt
[03:13] <Odin2347> my card is supposed to work out of the box with ubuntu :(
[03:13] <otterit> _blue >> same here..i can't get the darn thing to work.
[03:13] <_blue> i know 2.5 and 2.6 have drivers via
[03:13] <tomaraya> jake: I don't believe so.
[03:13] <OmniColos> odin what happens when you "modprobe ath_pci"
[03:13] <heyrhett> can i use apt to get synaptic?
[03:13] <jakejarvis> ok, thanks
[03:13] <_blue> ndiswrapper
[03:13] <thoreauputic> jakejarvis: it ships without servers and wqith eveything closed
[03:13] <_blue> and linux wlan-ng
[03:13] <jakejarvis> ok, thanks
[03:14] <Odin2347> it cant find ath_pci..
[03:14] <heyrhett> oh, looks like i have it
[03:14] <Odin2347> i dont think ubuntu comes with it
[03:14] <otterit> _blue >> WUSB v11 using Atmel AT76C503A
[03:14] <thoreauputic> jakejarvis: get firestarter for a simple firewall app
[03:14] <_blue> yea....ndiswrapper
[03:14] <_blue> or try linux wlan-ng
[03:14] <otterit> i dont understand how to recompile the kernel.
[03:14] <dolson> how true are these statements? "Ubuntu is Debian" and "Ubuntu is just a Sarge snapshot" ( yes, I know Ubuntu is based on Debian) ?
[03:14] <otterit> wlan-ng?
[03:14] <otterit> what's dat?
[03:14] <_blue> google it...
[03:14] <otterit> roger
[03:15] <thoreauputic> dolson: ubuntu is not debian 2) it's based on sid not sarge
[03:15] <Cindux> when i format floppies with ubuntu using DOS (FAT) on standard &/or quick mode & i use it on a windows pc once
[03:15] <Cindux> ubuntu cannot read it
[03:15] <dolson> thoreauputic: thanks. I win the petty argument. :)
[03:15] <Cindux> unknown file sys type etc
[03:15] <OmniColos> odin: don't know of anything else to try... I'm pretty new myself...
[03:15] <otterit> thanks..anyone else possibly use the Atmel AT76C503A driver with a wireless NIC?
[03:16] <tomaraya> Cindux, mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt worked for me.
[03:16] <_blue> i have....its a linksys wusb11 v3.0
[03:16] <Odin2347> :((
[03:16] <_blue> it works well with ndiswrapper
[03:16] <Cindux> hm ill try it
[03:16] <Cindux> thanks
[03:16] <otterit> ndiswrapper
[03:16] <Cindux> brb gotta go to windows macine again etc
[03:16] <Pluk> madwifi driver should be in linux-restricted-modules-*
[03:17] <Pluk> btw whats the effectice speeds you can get with 54g ?
[03:17] <Pluk> effective*
[03:17] <Odin2347> how come if the card is detected and so is the network im not connected to the internet???
[03:17] <Pluk> im getting 3mb/sec
[03:17] <jinx_> Pluk: about 3mb/s
[03:17] <Pluk> ah thx jinx_
[03:18] <OmniColos> what tells you the card is detected?
[03:19] <Odin2347> its listed under devices
[03:19] <OmniColos> oh
[03:19] <Odin2347> "atheros abg wireless NIC"
[03:19] <Pluk> Odin2347, does ifconfig show ath0 with an ip?
[03:19] <Odin2347> under pci devices
[03:19] <Odin2347> didnt ry it
[03:19] <otterit> ndiswrapper is a driver?
[03:19] <_blue> its a driver wrapper
[03:19] <Odin2347> ath0 doesnt show up with anything through...
[03:20] <Pluk> ndiswrapper wraps windows drivers
[03:20] <otterit> << i have a lot to learn
[03:20] <Cindux> hm seems to be working for now
[03:20] <Odin2347> only eth0 lo and sit0
[03:20] <Cindux> hm
[03:20] <Cindux> ok this problem is wierd, but when i had win2k it didnt happen so its an ubuntu only issue
[03:20] <OmniColos> maybe ifconfig ath0 up
[03:20] <Odin2347> hmm
[03:20] <Odin2347> time to try it
[03:20] <jinx_> Pluk: although theoretical maximum is about 6mb / s you'll never achieve that in practice
[03:21] <Cindux> i set my monitor (sony trinitron, G200) with the little menu etc ( i did the vertical,horizontal, screen brightness etc
[03:21] <heero1711> hello
[03:21] <atylan> who financed ubuntu? cant find anything about it on canonical
[03:21] <Cindux> and now every couple of days its like it reset
[03:21] <Pluk> Odin2347, lsmod |grep ath0  does that give anything?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> atylan: Mark Shuttleworth
[03:21] <atylan> thx
[03:21] <kaworu> hi, is it possible tu have a kernel with bootsplash on ubuntu warty ?
[03:21] <heero1711> Amd64 use a different source.list ??
[03:21] <heero1711> anyone using amd64?
[03:22] <Pluk> jinx_, i was hoping i could tweak it a little to get 4-5mb/s but thats just idle hope i guess
[03:22] <mjr> jinx_, Pluk, allow me to note here that for a "54 Mbit/s" wlan device the theoretical maximum data rate to one direction is 27 Mbit/s
[03:22] <heyrhett> how do I find packages that synaptic doesn't see, like pine?
[03:22] <Pluk> hmmm thats silly :) false 54g statement
[03:22] <mjr> the 54 figure is for the full duplex rate, marketspeak
[03:22] <Odin2347> "no such device"
[03:22] <Odin2347> Pluk ill have to try that
[03:23] <Pluk> lsmod |grep ath ,i mean
[03:23] <Pluk> well ill try to be satisfied with 3mb/sec then :)
[03:24] <heyrhett> do i need a new repository?
[03:24] <encKe`> anyone burn .iso with x-cd-roast?
[03:25] <mjr> encKe`, no, but why, since you can just right-click/burn in nautilus?
[03:25] <heero1711> please somebody know is i need use a different source.list for my amd64?
[03:25] <png> encKe`, im burning with nautilus cd burner
[03:25] <encKe`> hmmmm.... didnt know that mjr
[03:25] <encKe`> thx for info
[03:25] <OmniColos> is there a speedier gui filebrowser than nautilus?
[03:26] <OmniColos> faster than nautilus and also has tree view
[03:26] <Ziggity> hi
[03:26] <Pluk> heero1711, http://www.pastebin.com/246833 i use this one for hoary and xfce4.2
[03:27] <Ziggity> Whats the setting in the sources.list file for Warty to find things like Anjuta and MonoDevelop
[03:27] <encKe`> anyone else here have a strange addiction to Ubuntu?
[03:27] <encKe`> lol
[03:27] <thoreauputic> OmniColos: there are many, but not with thumnails etc - I use rox filer but it doesn't use tree view
[03:27] <thoreauputic> *thumbnails
[03:27] <heyrhett> i do apt-get build-dep pine, and I get: Unable to find a source package for pine
[03:27] <encKe`> i know...i know.... stupid ?
[03:27] <heero1711> Pluk thanks a lot
[03:27] <OmniColos> woow pastebin is cool
[03:28] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: pine is non-free
[03:28] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: you might want to look at mutt
[03:28] <Pluk> pastebin is great for sharing configfiles without spamming the channel
[03:28] <heyrhett> ugh, I couldn't use mutt
[03:28] <thoreauputic> the pine license is incompatible with debian guidelines
[03:29] <heyrhett> yeah
[03:29] <heyrhett> i forgot about those jerks
[03:29] <OmniColos> although your entry has <?php ?> in it :P
[03:29] <Pluk> i kinde miss treeview in rox.. but i can live without it :)
[03:29] <|line> does anyone here use pan
[03:29] <mseney> just changed my DVD 16x Drive to use use udma w/ hdparm. how can i retain it's new setting so a reboot won't reset it?
[03:29] <Pluk> OmniColos, http://nopaste.biz/?1155
[03:29] <Ziggity> Whats the setting in the sources.list file for Warty to find things like Anjuta and MonoDevelop
[03:29] <chase> how can i get the nvidia drivers installed? ive installed nvidia-glx and -kernel threw apt. but when i try setting the XFree86 config file to use nvidia instead of nv the X server doesnt start
[03:29] <Pluk> http://nopaste.biz is a better one
[03:29] <chase> any clues? im new to ubuntu and debain
[03:29] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: if you think debian are "jerks" i don't think you should be using Ubuntu, frankly
[03:30] <heyrhett> no, the pine jerks
[03:30] <|line> chase i have the command
[03:30] <|line> give me a sec to retype ok
[03:30] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: since they are the "jerks" who made it possible
[03:30] <chase> ol thanks
[03:30] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: ah OK - sorry ;)
[03:30] <Pluk> lots of ppl complain about ppl in #debian being jerks though
[03:30] <png> chase, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15
[03:30] <png> first topic
[03:30] <heyrhett> yeah yeah, every once in a while i forget that pine has to be nonfree for whatever reason
[03:30] <OmniColos> plukl: yeah thats is an improvement :D
[03:30] <heyrhett> probably university policy
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Pluk: some are, for sure :)
[03:31] <goedecke_> who was the comant to see my kernel version?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> uname -r
[03:31] <Pluk> uname -r
[03:31] <goedecke_> tnk
[03:31] <png> chase, exactly , http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[03:31] <Pluk> craps --;
[03:31] <Pluk> :)
[03:31] <encKe`> I work in IT for a small TX State funded org and we  sadly run  Win/Novell & Citrix and mainly WinXp clients. I have about converted my needs to use only Ubuntu for all administration . I have a sweet boos :)
[03:31] <Ziggity> Whats the setting in the sources.list file for Warty to find things like Anjuta and MonoDevelop
[03:32] <monoxide> how would i go back to xfree on hoary?
[03:32] <goedecke_> how to install de boot splash?
[03:32] <encKe`> boos
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: universe
[03:32] <encKe`> boss
[03:32] <encKe`> there we go
[03:32] <encKe`> lol....to many tonight
[03:32] <Pluk> monoxide, apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[03:32] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, I tried but it can't find it ???
[03:33] <monoxide> Pluk, its installed? ( i didnt check, but then again i didnt remove it?), but xorg is the default?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: apt-cache search anjuta gives me about a dozen lines here
[03:34] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: did you do apt-get update ?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> or reload in synaptic
[03:34] <Pluk> if its already installed you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver , it will ask you what xserver you want to use
[03:34] <encKe`> Terminal Services Client works great, VNC works nice, Citrix is already there & SSH is a snap. Even can use Evolution for my Groupwise client. Man great job peoples :)\
[03:34] <Pluk> but i though ubunut didnt allowed xserver-xorg and xserver-xfree86 to be installed simultaniously
[03:35] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, yes I did the update
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: apt-cache policy says anjuta is in "universe" on warty - don't know for hoary but I would think it would be there
[03:36] <mseney> added a section: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc to /etc/hdparm.conf (rebooting, brb)
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: double check your /etc/apt/sources.list I think
[03:37] <Odin2347> back!
[03:37] <Odin2347> i tried ls|mod grep ath0 and nothing happened......
[03:37] <Pluk> lsmod |grep ath
[03:37] <Odin2347> ahh
[03:37] <Pluk> lol
[03:38] <Odin2347> time to run back upstairs
[03:38] <Odin2347> lol
[03:38] <Pluk> not ath0 btw
[03:38] <Pluk> mybad
[03:38] <Odin2347> ok
[03:38] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: getting the command right always helps...
[03:38] <Odin2347> yea
[03:38] <|line> when chase comes back would you give him my apologys but i must reboot and reinstall, so i wont be able to help him till later
[03:38] <|line> thx
[03:38] <gumpish> +++ath0NO CARRIER
[03:38] <Odin2347> i tried adding a network connection
[03:38] <Odin2347> and then i check to activate it..
[03:38] <Odin2347> and it activates and then immediately deactivates
[03:38] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, Do you have  a copy of what it should be??
[03:38] <Ziggity> please
[03:38] <monoxide> it says that the xserver package is not installed
[03:38] <Pluk> Odin2347, i guess the drivers arent installed then
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: are you on warty?
[03:39] <Odin2347> the card is recongnized though
[03:39] <Pluk> true
[03:39] <pestilence> am i doing something wrong?  i can't get KDE to install with the "universe" and "multiverse" repositories in warty
[03:39] <Pluk> lspci just scans the pci bus
[03:39] <Pluk> has nothing to do with drivers there
[03:39] <pestilence> it claims there are uninstallable pacages
[03:39] <pestilence> *packages
[03:39] <sandeen_> daniels, if you're around and have a moment, can I ask you about bug 6841....
[03:40] <Odin2347> hmm
[03:40] <pestilence> same goes for xmms, and konqueror...won't install
[03:40] <pestilence> have they been removed?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> pestilence: you didn't comment out the "main restricted " lines, did you?
[03:40] <pestilence> thoreauputic: no
[03:40] <pestilence> thoreauputic: should i?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> no
[03:41] <thoreauputic> just checking
[03:41] <thoreauputic> pestilence: some people make that mistake
[03:41] <pestilence> what is the source for universe and multiverse?
[03:41] <pestilence> could you paste yours?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: I can send you my sources.list, but it is for warty
[03:42] <pestilence> thoreauputic: i'm using warty
[03:42] <pestilence> here's the appropriate line from mine
[03:42] <pestilence> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[03:43] <pestilence> hmmm...i did comment out the cdrom source
[03:43] <pestilence> maybe that was my mistake
[03:43] <thoreauputic> pestilence: yes, but you need all the other lines to satisfy dependencies, too
[03:43] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, I too have warty. please send my in pastebin
[03:43] <monoxide> does anyone know how i can go back to xfree instead of xorg?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: I'' dcc it to you
[03:43] <_jon_> monoxide: install the package
[03:43] <Pluk> monoxide, dit ti not work?
[03:44] <monoxide> the xserver package was not found
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: sent - please accept
[03:44] <Pluk> xserver-xfree86 is installed right?
[03:44] <baza> ello
[03:45] <Pluk> hi baza
[03:45] <Ziggity> thoreauputic, I clicked the accept button but nothing happends
[03:45] <monoxide> nope.... :/ :P
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: highlight it first
[03:45] <Pluk> well then install it lol , i just told you to do that
[03:45] <Pluk> :P
[03:45] <Ziggity> Doh!!
[03:45] <monoxide> oops... :P
[03:45] <Ziggity> thanx
[03:45] <thoreauputic> hehe ;)
[03:45] <pestilence> ah.....i think the problem was not that i commented out the "main restricted" line, but that there *wasn't* a "main restricted" line
[03:45] <Pluk> itll prolly ask to uninstall xserver-xorg
[03:46] <Ziggity> Ammm.. where will I find it by default???
[03:46] <pestilence> there was a warty-security main restricted line
[03:46] <monoxide> i am...
[03:46] <pestilence> but not a warty main restricted line
[03:46] <thoreauputic> pestilence: ah, that *would* be a problem
[03:46] <pestilence> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[03:46] <stodge> Does anyone know if the Java and Java3D SDKs are available in any Ubuntu repositories?>
[03:46] <monoxide> Pluk, yes, it does. not that im too worried about that
[03:47] <baza> I think you can find that info from ubuntuguide.org
[03:47] <Odin2347> nothing happens when i type lsmod|grep ath
[03:48] <Pluk> Odin2347, then the driver isnt installed yet
[03:48] <jakejarvis> network question: my isp blocks both port 80 and 8080. what port should i use instead?
[03:49] <Pluk> Odin2347, i guess you didnt install another kernel.. is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386 installed?
[03:49] <png> jakejarvis, maybe 3123
[03:49] <Pluk> ooops
[03:49] <jakejarvis> ok, i'll try that
[03:49] <jakejarvis> thanks
[03:49] <Pluk> linux-restricted-modules-386
[03:49] <Odin2347> im using the livecd
[03:49] <Odin2347> its kernel 2.49 i think
[03:50] <pestilence> Odin2347: uname -a
[03:50] <dolson> grr
[03:51] <Odin2347> pestilence: what does that do
[03:51] <dolson> that tells you your kernel version
[03:52] <Odin2347> uhhgh
[03:52] <Pluk> Ziggity, http://nopaste.biz/?1157 are the lines for the normal warty sources.list
[03:52] <Odin2347> i dont want to run upstairs again
[03:52] <Odin2347> lol
[03:52] <Pluk> kinda late though
[03:52] <Odin2347> isnt the live cd 2.49?
[03:52] <dolson> you'll look like Richard Simmons by the time you get that working ;)
[03:52] <pestilence> Odin2347: tells you what kernel you are running
[03:52] <Odin2347> lol
[03:53] <Odin2347> no one knows what kernel the live cd is?
[03:53] <thor|cornershop> Odin2347: there is no 2.49 kernel
[03:53] <Odin2347> oh
[03:53] <Pluk> 2.4.29 is latest 2.4 kernel
[03:53] <Odin2347> well i thought there was
[03:53] <pestilence> i would guess it's a 2.6 kernel....
[03:53] <pestilence> but that's a guess
[03:53] <thor|cornershop> Odin2347: typing uname -a or uname -r will tell you
[03:53] <thor|cornershop> gotta go
[03:53] <chase> how can i setup a custom keybind in gnome? all its ones in the keyboard shortcuts app are preset?
[03:53] <Odin2347> hmm
[03:54] <Ronald> hea guys
[03:54] <Odin2347> ill have to journey up 2 floors
[03:54] <pestilence> Odin2347: why don't you setup ssh while you are at it :)
[03:54] <Odin2347> ssh?
[03:54] <dolson> Odin2347: the old-fashioned StairMaster :)
[03:54] <pestilence> save you some legwork
[03:54] <Pluk> :D
[03:54] <Odin2347> lol
[03:54] <Odin2347> hehe
[03:54] <johnnybezak> can you pick packages to install with ubuntu?
[03:54] <pestilence> Odin2347: nevermind )
[03:54] <pestilence> :)
[03:54] <johnnybezak> (when you install it)
[03:55] <dolson> what about VNC? do you know what VNC is, Odin2347?
[03:55] <Odin2347> no..
[03:55] <dolson> up the stairs you go
[03:55] <pestilence> haha
[03:55] <Ronald> how good is ubuntu compared to mepis?
[03:55] <png> Odin2347, do u have a working nic interface ?
[03:55] <pestilence> ubuntu is orders of magnitudes better, of course.
[03:55] <Pluk> configuring wireless is great for yur health
[03:55] <Odin2347> png how do i know
[03:55] <dolson> mepis is another Debian-based distro
[03:55] <Ronald> is it easy to install the nvidia driver in it?
[03:56] <Odin2347> i know basically nothing about networking
[03:56] <dolson> Ronald: I'm struggling with that right now
[03:56] <johnnybezak> vnc is remote admin
[03:56] <johnnybezak> so that you can see the desktop and admin it graphically
[03:56] <Ronald> i have both the install cd and live cd burned off
[03:56] <Odin2347> ahh
[03:56] <dolson> Ronald: I got the driver installed, and it *sounds* like it should be working fine (the sound plays if I type my login and password) BUT the problem is that I can't actually SEE anything happening on my monitor
[03:56] <Ronald> but made a disc of gnoppix
[03:57] <png> Odin2347, can u surf with the upper pc?
[03:57] <Odin2347> no
[03:57] <Ronald> without should i install ubuntu or the gnoppix?
[03:57] <png> Odin2347, can u ping it's eth0 adress ?
[03:58] <dolson> Ronald: I only tried Knoppix before, but Ubuntu has impressed me so far (on my laptop) and I'm a Debian guy... been running Sid for over 2 years now
[03:58] <Odin2347> png how do i do that
[03:58] <Ronald> got slack 10.1 on now but cant get sound to work it keeps locking up
[03:58] <johnnybezak> ubuntu is good, but lacks some packages which are annoying
[03:59] <Odin2347> if it wasnt connected wouldnt it not have an eth0 address?
[03:59] <dolson> Ronald: I ordered a few copies of the discs and they came in not long ago. within two days I had only one copy left - kept giving them to friends, and now they're asking me questions, so I'm installing it on my system so I can help them out
[03:59] <Ronald> which would be better for a newbie
[03:59] <Odin2347> mepis
[03:59] <png> Odin2347, if u has two interfaces u should have eth0
[03:59] <png> have*
[03:59] <Ronald> i like how gnome looks though
[03:59] <Odin2347> i do have eth0
[03:59] <Odin2347> gnome sucks :/
[03:59] <Ronald> kde is too windows ese
[04:00] <johnnybezak> fluxbox is best :)
[04:00] <png> Odin2347, i can selL one:)
[04:00] <dolson> Ronald: I came from Mandrake originally (long ago), and I recommend Ubuntu now, as opposed to Mandrake
[04:00] <Ronald> got simplaymepis 3.3 already burned off
[04:00] <Odin2347> simply mepis 3.3 has sound issues
[04:00] <dolson> Ronald: if you burned all this distros, why not just try them all?
[04:00] <johnnybezak> i'd go for gentoo :P
[04:00] <Pluk> i used debian for 2 years too
[04:00] <Nirbo> What's wrong with Windowsesque ;p? Their GUI is one of the least annoying parts of their whole setup :p...
[04:00] <tomaraya> What program would I want to install for burning CDs?
[04:00] <png> Odin2347, do u know whatis eth0's adress?
[04:00] <johnnybezak> k3b
[04:01] <Odin2347> no
[04:01] <johnnybezak> for burning
[04:01] <Nirbo> tomaraya: k3b, definently.
[04:01] <tomaraya> k3b?
[04:01] <tomaraya> Thanks!
[04:01] <dolson> I wish there was a g3b
[04:01] <Nirbo> It's a KDE frontend for cdrecord.
[04:01] <Pluk> gentoo is great for learning
[04:01] <Nirbo> Gentoo is just too much work :p.
[04:01] <johnnybezak> the download will take a while, cos its got to install some kde libs
[04:01] <Odin2347> gentoo is evil
[04:01] <johnnybezak> Nirbo: the install is
[04:01] <Odin2347> im scared of it
[04:01] <johnnybezak> it works rediculously well once its set up though
[04:01] <Pluk> now have a gentoo ubuntu dualboot
[04:01] <dolson> I didn't learn anything when I installed Gentoo. I followed each step mindlessly and in the end (13 hours later) I could finally boot into X
[04:02] <Odin2347> satanic messages and symbols flying accross my screen for 2 days...i dont think so
[04:02] <tomaraya> What about for gnome?
[04:02] <kakalto> does anyone here know about Multi-Theft-Auto
[04:02] <kakalto> ?
[04:02] <Pluk> ubuntu has way better acpi support though then gentoo
[04:02] <johnnybezak> tomaraya: just use k3b its the best
[04:02] <Pluk> acpi for laptops that is
[04:02] <Nirbo> johnnybezak: The install is needless >p. I personally run FreeBSD. binary install, source rebuild. That's what Gentoo needs to do... although you CAN install Gentoo via packages... it's just not well accepted :p.
[04:02] <tomaraya> Ok, I'll go check it out.
[04:02] <Nirbo> tomaraya: I think Gnome has... cdbakeoven?... I never card much for it.
[04:02] <jdub> tomaraya: what do you want to burn? data, images, isos?
[04:02] <johnnybezak> Nirbo: I agree man
[04:02] <Nirbo> s/card/cared
[04:03] <dolson> tomaraya: I stick to GTK apps myself, or more like I stay away from KDE apps... I use xcdroast, but it's not as good as K3B. But if you're like me, maybe check that out too.
[04:03] <tomaraya> I'll be burning data, images, mp3s, isos...
[04:04] <johnnybezak> will the next version of ubuntu have better multimedia support?
[04:04] <jdub> tomaraya: with nautilus, you can easily burn isos and general data, but you can't make audio cds or do tricky multisession stuff
[04:04] <dolson> tomaraya: I like K3B, just don't like the K part. :)
[04:04] <Nirbo> johnnybezak: Yeah, other than that, Gentoo is a fine Linux. I love the pacjage management system... although they're nto really package friendly either... Packages exist, but you're not "l337" if you use them :p... I mean, there are some things I don't care to configure :p... and waiting hours for those to compile is the killer :p
[04:04] <jdub> johnnybezak: for free codecs, sure. but not for proprietary codecs, dvds, etc.
[04:04] <Tuxicity> jdub, can Nautilus burn .ISO files other than the ones it makes itself?
[04:04] <Odin2347> im 1337 because i use linux and i cant get anything to work :P
[04:04] <jdub> Tuxicity: of course
[04:05] <chase> how can i make a deb install file out of tar.gz source?
[04:05] <tomaraya> jdub: I see, thanks.
[04:05] <johnnybezak> why cant you install mplayer
[04:05] <tomaraya> Hmm, when I run k3b I get like 200 errors.
[04:05] <tomaraya> 4x24/stock/navigation not valid.
[04:05] <tomaraya> kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 24x24/stock/net not valid.
[04:05] <tomaraya> kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 24x24/stock/object not valid.
[04:05] <tomaraya> kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 24x24/stock/table not valid.
[04:05] <tomaraya> kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 24x24/stock/text not valid.
[04:05] <johnnybezak> and just not have the proprietary codecs
[04:05] <tomaraya> But it still starts.
[04:05] <Tuxicity> jdub, I just tried though and it finished in 5 seconds and the CD is a coaster... any idea what went wrong?
[04:05] <jdub> johnnybezak: you can, it's in multiverse.
[04:05] <johnnybezak> that happens with lots of things tomaraya
[04:05] <jdub> Tuxicity: nup.
[04:05] <teratorn> tomaraya: I've never found a KDE app that didn't throw *some* kind of error(s)
[04:05] <dolson> haha
[04:05] <tomaraya> johnnybezak, just disregard it then?
[04:05] <johnnybezak> jdub: hmm i think my sources file is very broken
[04:05] <tomaraya> teratorn, haha..! Ok, then no worries.
[04:05] <johnnybezak> tomaraya: yeah dont worry about it
[04:06] <Ronald> so is it pretty easy to install ubuntu?
[04:06] <tfh> yup
[04:06] <dolson> ok, I'm just going to copy my XF86Config file from my old Debian install and see if that works. I was hoping to see that Ubuntu Just Works, even with NVIDIA drivers, but apparently it still needs some work
[04:06] <dolson> Ronald: it's easier to install than Windows
[04:07] <johnnybezak> Ronald: piss easy, you could do it with your eyes shut
[04:07] <Ronald> cant ya just use the driver from nvidia
[04:07] <johnnybezak> dolson: no linux "just works"
[04:07] <dolson> the first time I installed it, I was like "wtf, I thought I put the install disc, not the live cd"
[04:07] <Pluk> lol
[04:07] <dolson> well, not quite. but you get the idea. ;)
[04:08] <Nirbo> 70% of any given distro "just works" :p... It's the 30% otherwise that'll drive you mad ;)
[04:08] <Nirbo> And that 30% usually includes sound :p. Oh how i hate ALSA.
[04:08] <Ronald> what version of firefox is installed?
[04:08] <dolson> johnnybezak: true, true. but I would prefer to do things the "Ubuntu Way" know what I mean? the instructions out there don't work for me
[04:08] <Odin2347> sound works fine for meits wireless that makes me want to kill someone
[04:09] <Nirbo> wireless :D Another favourite in Linux/BSD circles ;) If it doesn't drive you mad, you obviously gave up too soon.
[04:09] <Odin2347> i already gave up
[04:09] <dolson> I never had good luck with wireless at all yet... on any distro. that's why I don't own my own PCMCIA card yet, because I want to research it before I buy so I know what will plug and go
[04:09] <johnnybezak> can some one point me to a vanilla sources.list file for ubuntu so that I can start again
[04:09] <Ronald> can i install thunderbird in it
[04:09] <Odin2347> i researched my card
[04:09] <Odin2347> before i bought it
[04:10] <johnnybezak> dolson: my old imac's wireless just worked out of the box with yellow dog 3
[04:10] <Odin2347> its supposed to "work out of the box" on linux
[04:10] <dolson> Odin2347: on "Linux 9.0" ?
[04:10] <johnnybezak> ...famous last words
[04:10] <Tarkus> hello
[04:10] <Ronald>  or can i get it though synaptic
[04:10] <Pluk> hi Tarkus
[04:10] <Odin2347> dolson haha no
[04:10] <johnnybezak> Ronald: yep
[04:10] <Ronald> ok
[04:11] <dolson> Ronald: I just checked, and yes
[04:11] <Odin2347> according to the ubuntu hardware database its supposed to work out of the box
[04:11] <Ronald> how do i do it
[04:11] <Odin2347> its detected but doesnt work
[04:11] <Pluk> Odin2347, is linux-restricted-modules-386 installed?
[04:11] <dolson> Ronald: you can use synaptic, or open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[04:11] <Odin2347> and there arent any drivers for it loaded when i check lsmod
[04:11] <sharke> hello
[04:11] <Odin2347> i have no idea im using the live cd
[04:11] <Tarkus> yo, im looking to buy a new pc, anyone have any recomendations where to shop online?? iv only got $1,000.00 to spend :D
[04:12] <Pluk> ah indeed
[04:12] <Odin2347> i have 21gig free on my hd on another partition
[04:12] <Pluk> forgot about that already
[04:12] <Odin2347> should i install  it/
[04:12] <dolson> Tarkus: dude, you're gettin' a Dell
[04:12] <xurtum> I tried to install warty under vmware on Windows, but it failed
[04:12] <Odin2347> nooooo!
[04:12] <Odin2347> dont get the dell!
[04:12] <Tarkus> lol
[04:12] <Odin2347> stay far far away from dell
[04:12] <xurtum> I'm not sure if it's because of vmware or because of my cd
[04:12] <Odin2347> build it
[04:12] <dolson> xurtum: a friend of mine installed it in VMware with the pressed CD, no issues
[04:13] <xurtum> maybe I have a bad burn
[04:13] <Pluk> if you dont have to but a TFT then 1000 is enough to buy a nice machine
[04:13] <Pluk> s/but/buy
[04:13] <Odin2347> i got my LCD 17" for $140
[04:13] <xurtum> thanks, dolson, I'll try capturing the iso
[04:13] <xurtum> and install from that
[04:13] <dolson> xurtum: no prob. you could order a pressed disc too :)
[04:13] <Tarkus> cause id like lots of speed (at least 3GB) and RAM (at least 700MB)
[04:13] <xurtum> true dat
[04:13] <Tarkus> could 1000 bucks get a machine like that online?
[04:14] <Pluk> easy
[04:14] <dolson> 3GB CPU? no way, not for under 1000 bucks
[04:14] <Pluk> 3Ghz he means
[04:14] <Nirbo> 3Ghz CPU would probably run half of it :p.
[04:14] <Odin2347> more like 3ghz ;)
[04:14] <Nirbo> At best ;)
[04:14] <dolson> oh, I thought he wanted 3GB of cache
[04:14] <Pluk> lol
[04:14] <Nirbo> Not many CPUs have a L3 Cache of 2MB, let alone 3GB ;)
[04:15] <Pluk> installing ubuntu in lvl3 cache
[04:15] <Pluk> :)
[04:15] <dolson> that'd be sweet
[04:15] <dolson> ok, I need to get this driver working and stop chatting! damn friendly community
[04:15] <Odin2347> Tarkus: get yours a nice socket 939 motherboard PCI-E get an AMD 64 3400+ a gig of dual channel RAM and a 6600Gt nvidia vid card
[04:15] <Tarkus> Pluk: where should i go for a 30GHz/700MB RAM??
[04:16] <Odin2347> should be under $1000
[04:16] <Odin2347> build it!
[04:16] <Odin2347> and get a better computer and save more money
[04:16] <Pluk> justa small computershop
[04:16] <Tuxicity> does Natilus use cdrecord to burn?
[04:16] <Tarkus> hmm, im useless when it comes to building (not familiar with pc hardware)
[04:17] <Pluk> Tarkus, dont have a friend who can assist?
[04:17] <Tarkus> yes i do accualy
[04:17] <Tarkus> lol
[04:17] <Tarkus> forgot
[04:17] <Odin2347> well then
[04:17] <Pluk> get him a sixpack :)
[04:17] <Odin2347> check out www.tigerdirect.com
[04:17] <thor|cornershop> Tarkus: for 30 Ghz you need a time machine ;-)
[04:17] <Tuxicity> Tarkus, it's all explained in manuals anyway
[04:17] <zyme> is there like a limit on the amount of songs rythm box can load?
[04:17] <Odin2347> yea for 30ghz prepare to go 15-20 years in the future
[04:18] <Tarkus> thor|cornershop: lol, i ment 3GHz
[04:18] <SiliconViper> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[04:18] <SiliconViper>   libgda2-common
[04:18] <Odin2347> Intel or AMD?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: I know ;-) Couldn't resist....
[04:18] <SiliconViper> This seems like a bad thing.
[04:18] <SiliconViper> Amd I wrong?
[04:18] <Odin2347> AMD 64s kick pentuim 4 butt
[04:18] <Pluk> i remeber rythmbox took quit some time to load 5000 songs
[04:18] <SiliconViper> *am
[04:19] <SiliconViper> Pluk, yeah... rythmbox didn't like my 7000+, I ended up using zinf
[04:19] <Pluk> beep-media-player does it effortless though
[04:19] <thoreauputic> SiliconViper: if those packages are from an unsupported repository, it's just complaining they aren't official
[04:19] <SiliconViper> thoreauputic, oh, okay!
[04:19] <SiliconViper> Thanks.
[04:19] <Cindux> woo my floppes work now :P
[04:19] <Pluk> hmmm dont know zinf
[04:19] <Cindux> just another command line related newb question
[04:19] <SiliconViper> Pluk, it's pretty nice.
[04:19] <Odin2347> can anyone point me in the way of a solution to my wireless problem or a distro that will work with it out of the box??
[04:20] <SiliconViper> Pluk, I still use XMMS, mostly, because I enjoy my xmms-infopipe plugin.
[04:20] <Cindux> i want to move a gimp pattern i made to the patterns folder but i dont have the permissions to do it ?
[04:20] <Cindux> how can i do it in the command line ?
[04:20] <Pluk> yeah same here SiliconViper
[04:20] <Pluk> beel mediaplayer is enhanced xmms actually
[04:20] <Pluk> deep*
[04:20] <Pluk> AA fonts
[04:21] <Tuxicity> Pluk, u mean beep
[04:21] <SiliconViper> Pluk, not true. beep is a variation, but not enhanced.
[04:21] <Pluk> yeah indeed not enhanced just a split of
[04:21] <Pluk> but i do like those fance aa fonts
[04:21] <Pluk> fancy
[04:21] <thoreauputic> simplified
[04:21] <Pluk> craps my typing stinks*
[04:21] <SiliconViper> Pluk, the main issue I have with beep is that it when I feed it a path with subdirectories, and not all files are audio, it complains about not being able to find a playback handler for jpegs.
[04:22] <SiliconViper> ;p
[04:22] <Pluk> ah dunno bout that
[04:22] <tfh> for playing music i use mpd + mpc/ncmpc/gnomempc
[04:22] <SiliconViper> It still works, but when I've got 600 jpegs or more... that's annoying.
[04:22] <Pluk> just have pure mp3 in my music dir
[04:22] <Odin2347> no help?
[04:22] <tfh> it rocks everything i used before :)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> SiliconViper: really? hey, xmms plays jpegs real well *cough*
[04:22] <SiliconViper> Pluk, I've got Ogg Vorbis, and album covers.
[04:22] <thoreauputic> :))
[04:22] <Cindux> bla lol
[04:22] <SiliconViper> thoreauputic, nah, but it doesn't complain about it.
[04:22] <Cindux> im gonna ask my uber question :"D
[04:22] <Pluk> Odin2347, prolly the madwifi thingy isnt in the livecd
[04:23] <Cindux> how do i move a file somewhere in the command line when i dont have the permissions to do so ?
[04:23] <Cindux> ( command line newb :D )
[04:23] <Odin2347> Pluk is it in the install version?
[04:23] <Pluk> yes it is
[04:23] <tfh> well if u do't have the permissions using the cl won't help
[04:23] <Odin2347> are you sure?
[04:23] <Pluk> possitive
[04:23] <Odin2347> good
[04:23] <Tuxicity> Cindux, maybe use sudo?
[04:23] <tfh> u need the permissions or at least the password of someone who has (root for example)
[04:23] <Cindux> well yeah ive actually moved files before
[04:24] <Odin2347> then i will download it and install it tommorrow
[04:24] <Cindux> its jus i dont know the command
[04:24] <Cindux> i know its sudo mv something lol..
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> on the bootable...
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> su?
[04:24] <tfh> sudo mv sourcepath destpath
[04:24] <Cindux> tried that
[04:24] <Cindux> said it wasnt a dir ?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> Cindux: did you try su?
[04:24] <tfh> if u move more than one file u need to have a dir as destpath
[04:24] <Cindux> sudo mv /home/cindux/desktop/scanline.pat /usr/share/gimp/2.0/patterns
[04:25] <Cindux> its jus 1
[04:25] <thoreauputic> Cindux: well you might need to do mkdir first
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> -R
[04:25] <Cindux> ?
[04:25] <Cindux> hm
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> add the -R for recursive
[04:25] <_jon_> mv shouldn't need a -R
[04:25] <Ronald> anyone here a gnoppix user?
[04:25] <tfh> no
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> make sure the folder you want it in exists
[04:25] <Cindux> so sudo mv -r source destination ?
[04:25] <Cindux> oh ye it does
[04:25] <thoreauputic> nomasteryoda: looks like he's moving a file though
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:26] <Cindux> ive been in it in the cl
[04:26] <Cindux> ye
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> single file then it should work outright
[04:26] <tfh> Cindux, man mv
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:26] <Cindux> im simply trying to move a pattern into the gimp patterns folder :(
[04:26] <Cindux> i tried mv
[04:26] <Ronald> would i be better off with ubuntu than slack
[04:26] <Cindux> lol
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> Cindux: are you using bootable or install?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> tfh: hey, we don't do the RTFM thing around here ! *grin*
[04:27] <Cindux> install
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> thoreauputic: we aske you
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:27] <Pluk> nothing wrong pointing to man
[04:27] <tfh> thoreauputic, oh come on ubuntu is forked from debian so we're forked from jerks ???
[04:27] <Pluk> LOL
[04:27] <thoreauputic> tfh: hehe
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> Cindux: sudo cp file folder
[04:28] <teratorn> Ronald: yes
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> as in copy file to a folder/
[04:28] <Cindux> sudo cp /home/cindux/desktop/scanline.pat then the destination dir ?
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:28] <thoreauputic> tfh: I have two debian installs here, so I *must* be a jerk ;-)
[04:28] <tfh> is scanline.pat a dir or a file ?
[04:28] <Ronald> is gnoppix installable?
[04:28] <tfh> thoreauputic, same here my server runs woody
[04:28] <Cindux> a file on my desktop
[04:29] <thoreauputic> tfh: yeah I have an old box running woody here - it's indestructible
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> and the password would be the one you entered when you installed ubuntu
[04:29] <tfh> then sudo cp /home/cindux/desktop/scanline.pat /path/to/destdir will do it
[04:29] <Cindux> k thanks
[04:29] <Pluk> in a nongay kinda way
[04:29] <Cindux> ill go try that
[04:29] <Cindux> brb
[04:29] <Odin2347> night everyone
[04:29] <Pluk> nite Odin2347
[04:29] <Odin2347> i have 2 days to do a ton of homework and read a book
[04:29] <Odin2347> lol
[04:30] <Odin2347> well 1 and tonight
[04:30] <Tuxicity> Odin2347, good luck
[04:30] <Odin2347> yea
[04:30] <Odin2347> linux basically stole my vacation :P
[04:30] <tfh> thoreauputic, i'm getting tired of woody what are they waiting for to release sarge ....
[04:30] <_blue> ahah...wow....so i just booted up two of my ubuntu live cd's that i just got, BOTH of them didnt work...
[04:30] <Pluk> and a great vacation you have now :D
[04:31] <Odin2347> lol
[04:31] <_blue> i ordered like 20, wow that was a waste of wating for them
[04:31] <Odin2347> 8 days
[04:31] <Odin2347> and 10 distros
[04:31] <Odin2347> lol
[04:31] <Pluk> LOL
[04:31] <tfh> waaah
[04:31] <thoreauputic> tfh: you know the line "Sarge will release When it's Ready (tm) "
[04:31] <Pluk> nerd!
[04:31] <Odin2347> ubuntu is the closest ive come to getting one that works so far
[04:31] <tfh> lol 10 distros
[04:31] <Odin2347> yea
[04:32] <tfh> i did 3 seriously debian, gentoo, ubuntu and i've been using linux for two years
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: we know who to ask about installation techniques then ;-)
[04:32] <Odin2347> knoppix kanotix debian mandrake fedora core 3 redhat 9 ubuntu mepis pro beta 04 mepis simply mepis 3.3 and gentoo
[04:32] <tfh> lol
[04:32] <xurtum> odin, what kind of wireless card do you have?
[04:32] <Odin2347> dlink g520
[04:32] <tfh> do a rond-up
[04:32] <Odin2347> atheros version
[04:32] <xurtum> does that use the broadcom chipset?
[04:32] <tfh> round-up and review their installers
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> OddAbe19: that works out of box
[04:32] <Ronald> should i install ubuntu or gnoppix?
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> Atheros chipset
[04:32] <xurtum> ah.
[04:33] <xurtum> ok, never mind
[04:33] <Odin2347> no it doesn't
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: hey, you missed linux from Scratch :)
[04:33] <Pluk> gnoppix is ubuntu livecd now
[04:33] <Odin2347> hehe
[04:33] <tfh> nomasteryoda, nice use of tab completion in irc lol
[04:33] <Odin2347> it is?!!??
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:33] <Ronald> says that a guy installed it from the website
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> tfh, busy fixing fool's win98 box
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> distracting
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> pos
[04:34] <tfh> fixing win98 :  start - turn off (it's fixed AND secure) gl man
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> Odin2347: i have an SMC and ATT brands with Atheros ..... work fine with Ubuntu
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> et al
[04:35] <thoreauputic> tfh: fixing win98 >> fdisk/mbr >> install linux
[04:35] <Pluk> if a guy asked me to fix his win98 box ill ask  ?50 an hour and no guarantees
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> thoreauputic: i agree
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> but he is working in a school system and some sites ... like the teach site will not work with firefox, etc. on linux
[04:36] <tfh> nomasteryoda, well xcept i don't have time anymore to install other people's linux and maintain it.
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> he's all for it tho
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:36] <jimmyy> Bonsoir
[04:36] <tfh> bonsoir
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> I get them going then leave
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> they pay me to fix winders
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> linux i don't need to fix
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:37] <thoreauputic> nomasteryoda: some guy on slashdot made a program that automatically wipes windows and installs linux - forget what it was called
[04:37] <jimmyy> tfh franais ?
[04:37] <tfh> what i like with linux : ssh makes fixing my parents computer so much faster :) ( no more clicking through the phone)
[04:37] <Pluk> installing linux isa waste of good bussiness for yu :)
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> oooh, nice
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> maybe a virus would do that
[04:37] <tfh> jimmyy, oui mais il faut parler anglais ici
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> ESR wants one that does
[04:38] <thoreauputic> tfh: pas toujours :)
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> Pluk: but it makes people like me =)
[04:38] <tfh> thoreauputic, lol i always thought talking in language other than english on general irc channels was rude,
[04:38] <Pluk> :D
[04:39] <thoreauputic> tfh: yeah I guess ;)
[04:39] <jimmyy> C'est juste un petit soucis avec nautilus... allons vite fais sur le canal french alors ? je suis plus  l'aise en francais...
[04:39] <tfh> jimmyy c koi l canal french ?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> jimmyy: yeah, #ubuntu-fr peut-etre
[04:39] <jimmyy> un canal pour l'occasion :)
[04:40] <tfh> k gogogo #ubuntu-fr
[04:42] <aroman> hey. I just installed ubuntu on a second computer. How can I configure it to share the printer that's already configured on my main system?
[04:42] <Pluk> nite all!
[04:42] <pestilence> aroman: ipp
[04:43] <pestilence> aroman: cups/ipp
[04:43] <aroman> pestilence, how do I do that?
[04:43] <pestilence> something like ipp://machine.address.here/printers/printer-name-goes-here
[04:43] <tfh> good night everyone
[04:43] <aroman> pestilence, ah... and what should I select for the driver?
[04:43] <aroman> my printer's model name?
[04:44] <pestilence> aroman: the driver for your printer, of course
[04:44] <aroman> ok
[04:45] <jimmyy> Please : i can't open a file with nautilus
[04:46] <very> pestilence: I have somewhat the same problem. I can't print to my Ubuntu samba server from my Ubuntu workstation? My print jobs just seem to dissappear.
[04:46] <pestilence> very: why are you using samba
[04:46] <jimmyy> because the mime is html, but my file is php
[04:46] <pestilence> very: do you have CUPS installed on the server?  use ipp
[04:46] <very> pestilence: well I have my wife's Windows machine which prints just fine to my Samba server.
[04:47] <aroman> pestilence, well I did what you suggested. But I cannot print to my printer. It shows up as Paused... :( weird...
[04:47] <ions> if I want to run a command from the gnome menu that requres me to be su how do I do it?
[04:47] <pestilence> ions: open up a terminal and type "sudo (command)"
[04:47] <ions> yes I know
[04:47] <pestilence> aroman: is the printer paused :)
[04:48] <aroman> pestilence, :) no it isn't... the job doesn't show up here (where the printer is installed)
[04:48] <ions> but I have an app that others will sue from my machine that requires to be run as root
[04:48] <ions> I don't want to give my pass for them to use it
[04:48] <pestilence> very: nevertheless, i think ipp is a preferable solution
[04:49] <pestilence> very: you could look in your samba logs if you really want to figure out what's going on with samba
[04:49] <aroman> pestilence, which doesn't work in some cases :(
[04:50] <pestilence> aroman: perhaps a peek in the cups log would give some insight
[04:50] <very> Pestilence: that might help. I read somewhere on the web that I might need to have a user set up on my server with the same username and password as the Ubuntu workstation. Does this make any sense?
[04:50] <pestilence> aroman: maybe you need to tell cups to listen on a different network interface?
[04:50] <pestilence> very: yes, that makes sense
[04:51] <pestilence> very: well....
[04:51] <johnnybezak> has someone got a vanilla sources.list file that i could copy?
[04:51] <pestilence> very: how did you set up the windows machine?
[04:51] <pestilence> very: did it require a password?
[04:52] <very> pestilence: With windows machines you just add a printer and search the network for the Samba printer. It works every time.
[04:52] <pestilence> ions: perhaps you should look into setuid?
[04:52] <ions> ok
[04:52] <pestilence> very: interesting...
[04:53] <very> pestilence: when I do this on the Ubuntu workstation the printer can be seen and seems to setup fine but the jobs don't print.
[04:53] <pestilence> very: and what shows up in the logs?
[04:54] <very> pestilence: I'm such a newbie I've never used logs. I may have to. the problem may have something to do with passwords.
[04:55] <pestilence> very: the logs should give you a very good idea about that
[04:55] <pestilence> very: look around in /var/log/samba or similar
[04:55] <elec> how do i create a boot disk in ubuntu?
[04:55] <very> pestilence: do you think Linux requires a user on the server which I could then use that user name and password to print.
[04:56] <very> pestilence: if I remember right it asks for a password but none of mine worked.
[04:56] <pestilence> aroman: so, i think you might need to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf...look for the section marked "Network Options"
[04:56] <pestilence> very: it depends on how samba is setup
[04:56] <thoreauputic> elec: mkboot
[04:57] <pestilence> very: if there is a user on the server with the same username as the username on the machine you are printing from, then you should log in as that user on the server and type "smbpasswd"
[04:57] <pestilence> that may fix it
[04:57] <thoreauputic> elec: I haven't tried it with a 2.6 kernel - it might not fit, don't know - worth a try
[04:58] <aroman> pestilence, I tried setting the Listen directive... I added my IP address:631 but that did not fix it :(
[04:58] <pestilence> aroman: in mine, i have Port 631 and #Listen 127.0.0.1:631 (note this is commented out)
[04:58] <pestilence> aroman: did you restart cups?
[04:58] <elec> thanks thoreauputic
[04:58] <pestilence> aroman: i think that is all you have to do...
[04:59] <aroman> pestilence, I did restart cups... I'll try it the way you have it setup..
[05:00] <aroman> so then it should be ipp://192.168.2.121/printers/DeskJet-3820?
[05:00] <pestilence> aroman: yes
[05:00] <aroman> okie..
[05:01] <pestilence> aroman: you can also look at http://localhost:631/printers and see what that says (on the print server)
[05:01] <very> pestilence: "smbpasswd" I thought I might have to look into that command some more. I'm still spinning my wheels but this should give me some direction
[05:01] <johnnybezak> can someone help me out I'm trying to install mplayer for ppc, i have multiverse available and the fonts and skins packages show up, but when I try and install them it says that mplayer (which is a dependancy of the fonts) cant be installed. can anyone help?
[05:02] <pestilence> very: basically, your samba password is most likely not synced with your /etc/passwd password...the "smbpasswd" command sets the samba password
[05:02] <pestilence> johnnybezak: in my experience, it is better to install mplayer from source
[05:02] <pestilence> johnnybezak: or use xine
[05:03] <johnnybezak> pestilence: i've tried installing from source, and i get make errors :P
[05:03] <pestilence> johnnybezak: what are the errors?  you probably need to install some -dev packages
[05:03] <aroman> pestilence, hmm it still doesn't print :(
[05:03] <eclipse> fff
[05:04] <pestilence> libx11-dev libgtk-dev libpng12-dev for starters
[05:04] <Ronald> installing ubuntu right now on a p2-350
[05:04] <pestilence> aroman: :-(  did you look in the logs?  /var/log/cups/error_log
[05:04] <johnnybezak> pestilence: i'm not sure will it be logged somewhere or will i have to try and make it again?
[05:04] <very> pestilence: I wondered why windows doesn't seem to care but Linux requires smbpasswd.
[05:04] <aroman> pestilence, I will look now
[05:04] <pestilence> johnnybezak: it should tell you when you type "./configure"
[05:05] <johnnybezak> ok hold on
[05:05] <johnnybezak> pestilence: i can't remember getting any configure errors, just when i typed make it didn't work
[05:05] <pestilence> very: that i'm not sure of.
[05:05] <aroman> pestilence, Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)
[05:06] <pestilence> johnnybezak: oh.
[05:06] <aroman> pestilence, that's what's in there..
[05:06] <eclipse> kff
[05:06] <aroman> pestilence, so I guess cups isnt' sharing the printer? :S
[05:06] <johnnybezak> pestilence: yeah sux
[05:06] <very> aroman: pestilence has been helping me with my printing problem. My problem sure sounds a lot like yours
[05:07] <pestilence> aroman: whoops, there is something i forgot...sorry
[05:07] <aroman> pestilence, ?
[05:07] <Bandit> johnnybezak your trying to install mplayer?
[05:07] <pestilence> aroman: look under <Location /printers> in cups.conf
[05:07] <aroman> very, you are trying to use samba aren't you?
[05:07] <johnnybezak> Bandit: yeah and struggling
[05:07] <pestilence> cupsd.conf
[05:07] <delltony> hi can anyone recommend a download manager for ubuntu that will work with flashgot?
[05:07] <pestilence> Allow From 192.168.2.*
[05:08] <Bandit> johnnybezak your using ubuntu?
[05:08] <pestilence> aroman: that is almost certainly the problem
[05:08] <aroman> pestilence, <Location /printers> is commented out :(
[05:08] <very> oroman: yes the printer seems fine but the print jobs just don't print.
[05:08] <joeblow1234> If I have compiled something from source a few months ago, and don't know how to remove all of the files it installed, is it safe to compile and install a new version overtop of the old version?
[05:08] <johnnybezak> Bandit: yeah 4.1 ppc
[05:08] <Tuxicity> delltony, Downloader for X
[05:08] <Bandit> johnnybezak have you tried to install using synaptic
[05:09] <aroman> pestilence, ok so I uncommented it, and added the line you suggested... I'll try that
[05:09] <pestilence> aroman: good
[05:09] <very> aroman: I'm sure I could install a local printer and it would work fine but I just can't print to my Ubuntu server.
[05:09] <thoreauputic> pestilence: this sounds absurdly obscure - how is the average user supposed to know this kind of stuff ? grrrr
[05:09] <pestilence> thoreauputic: ?
[05:09] <aroman> pestilence, what do YOU have under <Location /printer> ? any Order Allow,Deny stuff?
[05:09] <delltony> i have tried d4x but for some reason i keep getting gdk-critical erros
[05:09] <johnnybezak> Bandit: when i look in synaptic mplayer itself doesnt show up, the fonts and skins do but thats it
[05:09] <delltony> any idea on that Tuxicity ?
[05:09] <pestilence> <Location /printers>
[05:09] <pestilence> Order Deny,Allow
[05:09] <pestilence> Deny From All
[05:09] <pestilence> Allow From 127.0.0.1
[05:09] <pestilence> Allow From 192.168.100.*
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[05:10] <Tuxicity> delltony, Im on Warty. Are u on Hoary? It works well for me on Warty...
[05:10] <thoreauputic> pestilence: I mean, setting up network printing should be easier - no criticism of your knowledge :)
[05:10] <pestilence> thoreauputic: i agree...
[05:10] <delltony> yeah i'm running array 5
[05:10] <eclipse> anyone in here knows any good P2P apps?
[05:10] <ions> nicotine
[05:10] <delltony> but did you install any gtk packages?
[05:10] <pestilence> thoreauputic: there may be a more user-friendly way, i'm just going with what i did...
[05:10] <ions> giFT
[05:10] <Bandit> johnnybezak take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org, you may have to edit your sources
[05:10] <aroman> pestilence, all right Thanks :)
[05:10] <JDahl> eclipse, rsync, scp...
[05:11] <pestilence> aroman: work?
[05:11] <delltony> cause it appears that it doesn't work with anything higher than 2.4.1
[05:11] <aroman> pestilence, bingo :D printer started printing :D
[05:11] <pestilence> aroman: cool
[05:11] <johnnybezak> Bandit: will do
[05:11] <aroman> pestilence, thanks a lot man :)
[05:11] <delltony> and gaim 2.2 uses 2.6
[05:11] <SiRrUs> good evening people
[05:11] <pestilence> aroman: np
[05:11] <Tuxicity> delltony, gtk packages? no way, just d4x, Firefox and flashgot, man!
[05:11] <monoxide> :( xfree didnt fix my segfault problems...
[05:12] <delltony> hm any chance you can find the version your running of d4x and maybe the path to the deb file?
[05:12] <aroman> pestilence, what's weird though is that it prints in colour, even though I tell it not to :(
[05:13] <pestilence> aroman: hmmm...
[05:13] <Tuxicity> delltony, d4x 2.5.0rc4
[05:13] <very> aroman: what did you do to get the printer finally to work? Help
[05:13] <delltony> oh i'm running 2.5.0rel-1
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> is amd64 supposed to be much more unstable than x86
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> and are my own home brewn kernels supposed to be a half order of magnitude stabler?
[05:14] <aroman> very, edited <Location /printers>, removed Listen directive added Port 631 in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[05:14] <delltony> interesting do me a favor please Tuxicity
[05:14] <aroman> very, then added printer as ipp://ip.add.ress/printers/DeskJet-3820
[05:14] <zyme> does the knoppix live cd have qt-parted on it?
[05:14] <aroman> :)
[05:14] <delltony> in the shell type d4x and tell me if you get any gdk-critical error
[05:14] <aroman> pestilence, nm... I think gnome-cups-manager only prints in colour...
[05:15] <pestilence> aroman: that doesn't sound right
[05:15] <zyme> i made my /var partition only 5 gb and it is already full
[05:15] <zyme> which is kind of puzzling
[05:15] <aroman> pestilence, no it doesn't :(
[05:15] <pestilence> what do you know...  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#networkprinter
[05:15] <aroman> pestilence, I wish that they didn't remove the web interface... I liked it :(
[05:15] <pestilence> very: that should get you going
[05:15] <pestilence> aroman: i'm sure you can re-enable it
[05:15] <Tuxicity> delltony, none
[05:15] <aroman> pestilence, dammit :( I was looking there.. :(
[05:16] <aroman> pestilence, in the wiki, I mean
[05:16] <delltony> intersting
[05:16] <delltony> i think it has somethign to do with the gtk i'm running seriously
[05:16] <pestilence> /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.debian.gz
[05:17] <pestilence>  adduser cupsys shadow
[05:17] <pestilence> that will re-enable the web interface
[05:17] <Tuxicity> delltony, I'm no expert, but works great on stable Ubuntu
[05:17] <zyme> hahaha my /var/log directory is 4v4 gb
[05:17] <zyme> err 4.4
[05:17] <zyme> this cant be right
[05:18] <dolson> so after a reboot, it works just fine.
[05:18] <delltony> well do you happent o know what version of gtk+ your running
[05:18] <aroman> pestilence, :) or sudo vigr :P
[05:18] <delltony> i'm gonna guess 2.4.1 on warty
[05:18] <pestilence> aroman: sure.
[05:19] <zyme> my syslog is over a gigabyte in size
[05:19] <zyme> can i delete that
[05:19] <aroman> pestilence, excellent :D I now configured it not to use colour :D
[05:19] <zyme> ?
[05:19] <pestilence> aroman: cool
[05:19] <Tuxicity> delltony, gtk is 2.4.10-1ubuntu1
[05:19] <delltony> ok i believe that is the issue
[05:20] <delltony> cause the lastest version of gtk is 2.6..
[05:20] <delltony> and i'm running it maybe i should downgrade
[05:20] <Tuxicity> delltony, for only 1 app, i would rather correct d4x!
[05:21] <delltony> i agree with you on that
[05:21] <delltony> i'm jus twondering if thats the issue though
[05:22] <ions> pestilence: I've searched the forums and haven't found how I'd use setuid to solve my prob
[05:22] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=79760#post79760 so I wrote my own post :\
[05:23] <very> aroman: are you using samba. I see you set up an ipp: printer?
[05:23] <pestilence> ions: i'm not really sure either.  it was just a blind stab in the dark :)
[05:23] <ions> heh
[05:23] <Tuxicity> delltony, the latest d4x semms to be 2.5.0rel1.4.10
[05:23] <pestilence> http://www.iss.net/security_center/advice/OS/UNIX/setuid/default.htm
[05:24] <pestilence> and of course, man setuid
[05:24] <Tuxicity> delltony, from the Ubuntu Backports though
[05:24] <delltony> 1.4.10
[05:24] <delltony> hmm
[05:24] <delltony> i have 2.5.0rel1
[05:24] <ions> $ man setuid
[05:24] <ions> No manual entry for setuid
[05:24] <pestilence> ah
[05:24] <Tuxicity> delltony, i would updgrade d4x instead of downgrading gtk!!
[05:24] <pestilence> well, anyways, it is something you change with chmod
[05:24] <ions> I tried that first :)
[05:25] <delltony> no upgrade available unless i build from source
[05:25] <Tuxicity> delltony, also does d4x start ok (not from flashgot)
[05:25] <delltony> d4x-2.5.0final.tar.gz  i think is the latest greatest
[05:26] <pestilence> here you go
[05:26] <pestilence> http://www.geocities.com/tipsforlinux/articles/028.html
[05:27] <pestilence> under SUID bit
[05:27] <dolson> Ronald: if you are still around, the NVidia driver works fine... pretty easily too. it wasn't working for me because (I assume) I installed it and upgraded at the same time, and then didn't reboot into the upgraded kernel (I was still on a default install). Anyhow, if that isn't it, then I don't know what fixed it, but it's working after a reboot... Windows-style ;)
[05:27] <bob2> hah, geocities
[05:28] <pestilence> ions: so i misspoke, what i meant was SUID, not setuid
[05:28] <pestilence> ions: they represent the same idea, but are different ways of using it
[05:28] <ions> I think I figured it out pestilence
[05:28] <pestilence> ions: oh?
[05:28] <ions> chmod 4755 /path/to/program
[05:29] <very> Aroman: I was wondering if you were using Samba?
[05:29] <pestilence> ions: yes, i think that should do nicely
[05:29] <ions> :(
[05:29] <ions> failed
[05:29] <pestilence> what are the permissions on the exec. now?
[05:29] <Ronald> ok thanks for the info dolson
[05:29] <ions> ifp-now they're 4755
[05:30] <ions> since I just set it
[05:30] <very> pestilence: Thanks very much for the help. I'll go back and try some things. What throws me is that windows machines work fine but Linux machines are just a little different.
[05:31] <ions> -rwsr-xr-x    1 500      500         17143 2005-02-13 15:32 /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:31] <Ronald> downloading the updates after the install now
[05:31] <dolson> Ronald: you're installing Ubuntu now? :)
[05:32] <Ronald> what shouild be the next step after i upgrade it
[05:32] <Ronald> yeap
[05:32] <dolson> is the install done already?
[05:32] <pestilence> ions: maybe it needs sgid too?
[05:33] <pestilence> very: np, good luck...
[05:33] <pestilence> ions: is 500 root?
[05:33] <ions> yeah I guess
[05:33] <bob2> ions: you know you can let other users use sudo, too, right?
[05:33] <ions> I don't get much of this permissions stuff
[05:33] <bob2> and only let them run certain programs with it, etc.
[05:34] <Tuxicity> Anyone knows what command Nautilus uses to burn an .ISO?
[05:34] <ions> bob2: I don't want that
[05:34] <pestilence> ions: chown root:root /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:34] <ions> I just want this app to run from the gnome menu w/o asking for a thing
[05:34] <Ronald> not yet
[05:34] <bob2> er, ok then
[05:35] <monoxide> winex has not even released a proper beta release yet?
[05:35] <bob2> #cedega
[05:36] <bl4cks4ils> is there a ubuntu ppc chat?
[05:37] <bob2> the ubuntu ppc support channel is here
[05:37] <thoreauputic> bob2: do you know if "ordinary" users are welcome to attend the Ubuntu conf in Sydney in April, and would we need to register?
[05:38] <pestilence> ions: and chmod a+s /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:38] <akira> Hmm, still having problems with my cd drives
[05:38] <bob2> thoreauputic: you're welcome to come along, but "conference" is probably not the best word for it
[05:38] <bob2> thoreauputic: more like "week long hackfest"
[05:38] <ions> pestilence: what I'm trying to run is a script
[05:38] <bl4cks4ils> bob2: what is a flash plugin i can use for ubuntu ppc?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> *grin* OK thanks
[05:38] <ions> if that makes a difference
[05:39] <dolson> nvidia-settings needs a nice easy way to configure dual-monitors
[05:39] <bob2> thoreauputic: but if that's what you're interested in, or just to hang out a bit, come along
[05:39] <akira> I can't figure out why gnome won't automount them
[05:39] <dolson> or even just a way, not even easy or nice
[05:39] <bob2> thoreauputic: there's fun amongst the work ;)
[05:39] <pestilence> ions: i don't know...it might if the script executes executables that are not suid
[05:39] <bob2> bl4cks4ils: there's only the swf-player one, afaik, which doesn't work very well
[05:39] <thoreauputic> bob2: I just thought I might learn something :)
[05:39] <bob2> thoreauputic: oh, plenty of that, too
[05:40] <pestilence> http://www.homepage.montana.edu/~unixuser/051602/SUID.html
[05:40] <bl4cks4ils> bob2 is it in the universe?
[05:40] <pestilence>  Thomas Akin's Seven Rules for Safe SUID Programming
[05:40] <pestilence>    1. Do not use SUID shell scripts.
[05:40] <bl4cks4ils> i installed gplflash but it doesn't work very wel
[05:40] <bl4cks4ils> l
[05:40] <pestilence> Never use SUID C-shell scripts.
[05:40] <pestilence> :)
[05:40] <bob2> pestilence: Linux doesn't let you use setuid scripts at all
[05:40] <Dr_willis> bob2,  thats what i was thinking.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> can a perl script be suid?
[05:41] <pestilence> bob2: ah.  good to know.  perhaps you should help ion :)
[05:41] <bob2> Dr_willis: no scripts at all
[05:41] <Dr_willis> or tcl, or python?
[05:41] <bob2> Dr_willis: you can use perlsuid for it, but I beleive it's deprecated
[05:41] <Dr_willis> bob2,  dident think so either. :P wasent sure.
[05:41] <bob2> I think the general answer is "use sudo".
[05:41] <pestilence> bob2: that does sound like the better solution
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[05:43] <ions> I just want the app to work from the gnome menu w/o asking for anything! why is that so hard?
[05:43] <bob2> pam: this is an english channel, sorry.  try #ubuntu-es
[05:43] <bob2> ions: it's not
[05:44] <ions> then I should be doing it by now
[05:44] <bob2> add a line to /etc/sudoers for it
[05:44] <bob2> edit the command in the menu
[05:44] <bob2> done
[05:45] <Besttechie> Hi - How can I uninstall a perl mod?
[05:45] <ions> ugh
[05:45] <ions> man sudoers is freaking long
[05:45] <ions> and 80% of it is greek to me
[05:45] <bob2> ions: what command do you want to run?
[05:45] <bob2> no, no, 80% of it is BNF ;-)
[05:46] <bob2> Besttechie: which module?
[05:46] <ions> ifp-gnome
[05:46] <ions> it's a script
[05:46] <Besttechie> xmms:perl
[05:46] <crimsun> monoxide: sorry, was called away by work. Any luck?
[05:47] <bob2> Besttechie: remove the libxmms-perl package, I guess, using whatever package management tool you normally use
[05:48] <Besttechie> Ok, is that all I would need to do?
[05:50] <Besttechie> bob2: I didn't use apt-get, though.
[05:50] <bob2> ions: ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:50] <bob2> or so
[05:50] <ions> bob2: Cmnd_Alias     IFP-GNOME = /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:50] <bob2> Besttechie: then follow the instructions that came with it
[05:50] <monoxide> crimsun, with what part?
[05:50] <ions> oh
[05:50] <bob2> Besttechie: there's probably no easy way to remove it then
[05:50] <bob2> (this is why people like using package managers)
[05:50] <crimsun> monoxide: I suppose the xmms problem, ultimately
[05:50] <Besttechie> haha, yea/
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> crimsun: were you the one who put together the mplayer for hoary?
[05:51] <ions> still failed bob2
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> the site that is
[05:51] <ions> do I have to run the command as sudo still?
[05:51] <bob2> ions: er, of course
[05:51] <bob2> ions: sudo /usr/bin/ifp-gnome
[05:51] <Besttechie> bob2, anywhere you think i should start? or you have no idea?
[05:51] <monoxide> xmms still doesnt work, im assuming wine still doesnt work, but i fixed my sound problems by going back to xfree instead of xorg
[05:51] <ions> YES!
[05:51] <ions> finally
[05:51] <ions> TY
[05:52] <ions> now bed!!
[05:52] <monoxide> im going to just settle with beep, and im checking out winex
[05:52] <bob2> so, it is easy
[05:52] <ions> in hindsight yeah
[05:52] <bob2> Besttechie: it might have an uninstall make target or something
[05:52] <ions> but isn't everything easy in hindsight? ;)
[05:52] <bl4cks4ils> bob2 i installed the plugin, where can i find it?
[05:53] <bob2> bl4cks4ils: how do you mean?
[05:53] <bl4cks4ils> i need to locate it for konq to recognize it, what dir should i add to konqs plugins?
[05:53] <bob2> dpkg -L name_of_package | grep lib
[05:53] <bob2> that should be a hint
[05:54] <neypo> if im moving the /boot/ partition to a new partition, do i have to do anything special to point dpkg to the new partition
[05:54] <inc_> sup room
[05:54] <bob2> dpkg doesn't care
[05:54] <bob2> just copy everything across and mount it
[05:54] <neypo> ok thanks
[05:54] <bob2> but why are you putting it on a seperate dir?
[05:55] <inc_> anyone know where to find some good torrent links?
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> neypo: make sure /etc/fstab points to the right /dev/hdX
[05:55] <neypo> its a question for my brother
[05:55] <neypo> not me
[05:55] <neypo> hehe
[05:55] <bob2> ions: cdimage.ubuntu.com has links for Ubuntu CD image torrents
[05:55] <bob2> ions: if you mean something else, you're on the wrong IRC network
[05:55] <ions> I don't think you mean me
[05:55] <inc_> kool bob
[05:55] <ions> :)
[05:55] <bob2> er, right
[05:55] <bob2> silly tab completion
[05:56] <bob2> also my laziness
[05:56] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: do you mean the backport for warty? yes.
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> crimsun: cool
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> was wondering
[05:56] <monoxide> where are you supposed to download winex from?
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:57] <crimsun> monoxide: ok, sound problem is related to esd->polypaudio, I'm guessing.
[05:57] <bob2> monoxide: www.transgaming.com, after they bill your credit card
[05:57] <bob2> or paypal, maybe
[05:57] <monoxide> i thought winex was the free version of cedega :/
[05:57] <crimsun> monoxide: which [extra]  xmms plugins do you have installed?
[05:57] <monoxide> crimsun, none
[05:57] <bob2> monoxide: no
[05:57] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: np
[05:58] <bob2> winex is the old name for cedega, apparently
[05:58] <Ronald> you can find winex on a bittorrent site
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> crimsun: just mean a hearty thank you
[05:58] <Ronald> and cedega
[05:58] <akira> Anyone know of a good xmms visulisation?
[05:58] <monoxide> Ronald, if i was going to do that i might as well get cedega
[05:58] <bob2> Ronald: copyright violation is off-topic here
[05:58] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: 10-4
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> akira: goom
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> is pretty cool
[05:59] <monoxide> crimsun, probably, but like i said i have no idea what, since moving back to xfree has fixed it
[05:59] <akira> hmm, when i downloaded goom it didn't let me go fullscreen
[06:00] <akira> otherwise yeah it is good
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> akira: think there is a setting file
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> for that
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> i used to do it when i used winders and then on linux
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> been too busy to think about visualizations
[06:00] <akira> nomasteryoda: oh well ill check that out
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> try man goom
[06:01] <monoxide> does anyone know any other _FREE_ wine alternatives?
[06:01] <Ronald> there arent any
[06:01] <bob2> monoxide: er, wine itself is Free
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> monoxide: free?
[06:01] <monoxide> i know, but wine wont run for some reason
[06:01] <heyrhett> apt is not letting me upgrade firefox
[06:01] <bob2> heyrhett: "not letting"?
[06:01] <bl4cks4ils> is snl a repeat tonight?
[06:02] <heyrhett> i'm trying a lot of things
[06:02] <monoxide> heyrhett, maybe because there are no updates for firefox on apt yet?
[06:02] <heyrhett> i have version 0.9.3
[06:02] <bob2> bah
[06:02] <bob2> if you're using warty, that's the latest available version
[06:02] <bob2> warty = stable = not changing = no new versions
[06:02] <heyrhett> isn't 1 out?
[06:02] <bob2> yes
[06:02] <bob2> but it came out after warty did
[06:03] <heyrhett> you said if i'm using warty, i'm using the latest available
[06:03] <monoxide> heyrhett, you could update to hoary...
[06:03] <heyrhett> what's hoary?
[06:04] <heyrhett> isn't there some way to get a new firefox with warty?
[06:04] <monoxide> not really
[06:04] <heyrhett> i didn't know the distro could stop me like that
[06:04] <monoxide> hoary is the next verion of ubuntu after warty
[06:05] <heyrhett> why can't i have whatever version i want?
[06:05] <crimsun> heyrhett: absolutely nothing's stopping you from using whatever version you wish. Then again, nothing's stopping you from shooting yourself in the face, either...
[06:06] <monoxide> you can... if you want to manually compile firefox yourself
[06:06] <heyrhett> apt-get is topping me
[06:06] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: if you want to bypass the package manager, you can install the binary from mozilla.org
[06:06] <crimsun> heyrhett: it is _highly_ recommended that you try one of the Hoary Array images if you'd like to have new versions of packages
[06:06] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: apt isn't doing anything to you - just use google and some common sense
[06:06] <ubernoob> heyrhett: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:07] <crimsun> heyrhett: please see the last field in the topic
[06:08] <heyrhett> hoary isn't stable though?
[06:08] <heyrhett> anyone here use hoary?
[06:08] <monoxide> or see ubuntuguide.org for info on how to update warty to hoary
[06:08] <monoxide> not that is always the best way to go
[06:08] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: of course they do ;/
[06:08] <monoxide> most of us?
[06:08] <crimsun> I use both Warty and Hoary.
[06:09] <monoxide> i do
[06:09] <monoxide> hoary is as stable as the packages that are installed
[06:09] <monoxide> for the most part it is stable
[06:09] <heyrhett> i didn't realize the package manager was that dependant
[06:09] <ubernoob> heyrhett: follow the instructions in the link. then you can update firefox
[06:09] <crimsun> heyrhett: the package manager uses the configuration you tell it to
[06:10] <heyrhett> yeah, couldn't i just use a hoary package manager?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> heyrhett: it isn't magic you know
[06:10] <heyrhett> btw, these names sound like STD themed.  Hoary, warty.  I'm sure that's been brought up
[06:10] <monoxide> heyrhett, it is only dependant because you have told it to look at the packages that are available for warty.
[06:11] <heyrhett> well, i didn't tell it, but warty did.  i guess it was my fault at least indirectly
[06:11] <monoxide> yea, i was kinda disturbed by the name hoary myself...
[06:11] <heyrhett> The next version is herpy
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> herpy hoar hog?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:12] <heyrhett> Crabby
[06:13] <ubernoob> anyone knows the diffrence between ESD and ALSA?
[06:13] <monoxide> hmmm... the root console link in Applications is no longer working...
[06:14] <crimsun> ubernoob: alsa is a backend. it communicates with the hardware. esd uses alsa.
[06:14] <monoxide> just use ESD, trust me on this one
[06:14] <artemis3> hiii heeelp me change refresh and screen resolution, changing XF86config-4 did nothing :(
[06:14] <crimsun> ubernoob: most applications in warty are configured to use esd, since it provides an implementation of multiplexing sounds
[06:16] <ubernoob> crimsun: thanks. thats what im trying to fix. multiple sounds
[06:16] <monoxide> WTH??? apt-cache show purity-off
[06:17] <bob2> monoxide: so?
[06:17] <artemis3> and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 never asks screen resolution or refresh...
[06:18] <artemis3> gnome is essencially unusuable at 640x480...
[06:19] <JDahl> artemis3, arent most WMs?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> monoxide: hehe - should be marked "essential" , not "optional"  ;-)
[06:19] <monoxide> lol
[06:20] <speel> hey any ubuntu devs out there?
[06:20] <monoxide> doing "apt-cache search sex"
[06:20] <thoreauputic> speel: no, it happened spontaneously and automagically
[06:20] <speel> ??
[06:20] <akira> hmm, should i attempt to upgrade to hoary on dialup?
[06:21] <speel> lol
[06:21] <bob2> akira: can you leave it running for 24 hours?
[06:21] <monoxide> akira, i did, it took about a week...
[06:21] <thoreauputic> speel: feeble attempt at humour, pay no attention
[06:21] <speel> ah ok :P lol
[06:21] <monoxide> thoreauputic, thats how my computer seems to fix itself
[06:21] <akira> are you able to start and stop through synaptic?
[06:22] <thoreauputic> monoxide: someone should write a book on the mystical behaviour of operating systems...
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> brb
[06:22] <artemis3> JDahl wmaker is just fine... but this crappy monitor can do 1024x768 horizontal 30-50 vertical 50-130 xfree and gnome sticks at 640x480 wth???
[06:22] <monoxide> thoreauputic, they would make a whole bunch....
[06:22] <monoxide> my mp3 player recently killed itself, and over about 2 hours it managed to fix itself...
[06:23] <itga_> Hi All, How can I do same thing with mkinitrd --preload=module on RH?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> monoxide: you see? Even a resurrection myth! Theology of IT!
[06:23] <monoxide> lol
[06:24] <bl4cks4ils> can i open a .bin file?
[06:25] <eclipse> how do u edit the Applications menu?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> bl4cks4ils: if you are good at reading binary, why not/
[06:25] <jcsston> hi
[06:25] <artemis3> -_-
[06:26] <monoxide> thoreauputic, he must be...
[06:26] <bob2> itga_: er, are you using Ubuntu or Debian?
[06:26] <eclipse> does anyon know?
[06:26] <bob2> eclipse: no warty?
[06:26] <eclipse> no
[06:27] <eclipse> i forgot the command to get to the applications menu to edit the links
[06:27] <eclipse> can someone help me out please
[06:27] <jcsston> how can I change the refresh rate for my CRT in Ubuntu Linux? I tried the screen resolution tool and it reports the refresh rate is 76Hz, but it looks like 60Hz and my monitor reports it's at 60Hz.
[06:28] <artemis3> thats my same problem and they wont help me
[06:28] <artemis3> damn thing stuck at 60hz 640x480
[06:28] <thoreauputic> won't? A bit strong I think...
[06:29] <jcsston> I have 1024x768, but 60Hz is killer on my eyes
[06:29] <Ronald> how do i kill the xserver to update the nvidia driver?
[06:29] <crimsun> artemis3: I'm assuming you're using Warty?
[06:29] <artemis3> yes
[06:29] <Tuxicity> eclipse, did you edit your XF86Config-4 file?
[06:29] <monoxide> Ronald, ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:29] <crimsun> Ronald: no need, just follow the directions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Ronald: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Ronald: follow crimsun's advice :)
[06:30] <daniels> powerbooks do not have synaptics touchpads
[06:30] <statico> oh.
[06:30] <_blue> so i got my wireless card installed, ndiswrapper didnt want to work with it in mandrake, so i installed ubuntu, it found the card by default, however, when i setup a wireless connection in the network config, it doesnt show the ar5212 as one of the options....
[06:30] <_blue> how do i get it to work?
[06:30] <daniels> or, they may well be made by synaptics, but they don't follow the standard synaptics protocol
[06:30] <statico> daniels: think it's still possible to get some kind of scrolling action with the touchpad?
[06:30] <statico> ah ha.
[06:32] <artemis3> i wanted to use xf86config but the cant find the "via" driver..
[06:33] <Besttechie> Hi - what to do for a cc: command not found?
[06:33] <artemis3> need gcc
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Besttechie: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:34] <Besttechie> ok, ty
[06:36] <someguy32> I've got a quick question. What is the difference between Gnoppix and Live Ubuntu? Why was Gnoppix created if there was already a Live Ubuntu distro?
[06:36] <_blue> isnt ubuntu live based off morphix?
[06:37] <artemis3> s3 unichrome... that might do ill try with xf86config :p
[06:37] <bob2> _blue: in warty, yes
[06:37] <bob2> someguy32: gnoppix predates ubuntu
[06:38] <_blue> bob2: i hear the att5200g wireless lan card automatically works with ubuntu outta the box....
[06:38] <_blue> is that true?
[06:38] <bob2> I have no idea
[06:38] <delltony> dang anyone besides me catchin hell with d4x and hoary?
[06:38] <bob2> but if it has Free drivers, probably
[06:38] <daniels> statico: don't think so, sorry
[06:39] <statico> argle
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> _blue:  i just ordered 2 wireless att g cards
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> they have atheros chipset
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> out of box working with linux
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, suse, etc.
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> later kernels that is
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> 2.6
[06:42] <speel> when hoary comes out will you be able to upgrade via apt-get?
[06:43] <speel> like would you have to change your pkg sources?
[06:43] <jdub> yes
[06:45] <spacepopeye> what's the bash copy command?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> cp
[06:45] <spacepopeye> thanks
[06:46] <bob2> (that's not bash, it's a seperate command)
[06:46] <spacepopeye> As long as it works. :P
[06:47] <speel> any one here running hoary?
[06:47] <MyNameIsChris> Is it normal for cpu load to always be at 100%, in Fedora it sat at 3% all the time
[06:47] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[06:47] <bob2> speel: best to just ask your question
[06:47] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: what does 'top' say is using all the cpu?
[06:47] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: no, not normal
[06:48] <MyNameIsChris> omfg, nano
[06:48] <MyNameIsChris> lol
[06:48] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: ru the `top` command
[06:48] <speel> just want to know if hoary is stable enough to upgrade at its current status
[06:48] <thoreauputic> *run
[06:48] <Ronald> whats the command to edit the modules file
[06:48] <MyNameIsChris> kill time
[06:48] <bob2> Ronald: what are you trying to do?
[06:48] <Ronald> edit the modules to load the nvidia driver
[06:48] <bob2> Ronald: sudo nano /etc/modules
[06:48] <omniscient> hey i have added the following line to my fstab, but im unsure how to make it mount so normal users can access the disk, if someone could help it would be great: /dev/hdb5       /media/ntfs     ntfs    ro,users        0       0
[06:49] <omniscient> any ideas?
[06:49] <MyNameIsChris> That's better, nano wasn't even open
[06:49] <bob2> omniscient: umask=002 in the options field
[06:49] <omniscient> ok thanks alot :)
[06:49] <MyNameIsChris> I just had to kill the pid but nano wasn't open
[06:50] <omniscient> that works great thanks again bob2
[06:50] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: it was open, but perhaps not visible
[06:50] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: nano was using 100% cpu? Weird!
[06:50] <MyNameIsChris> 99%
[06:50] <MyNameIsChris> I know
[06:51] <omniscient> 1 more question about nautilus is it possible to make it so when you click a folder it shows the contents of the new folder in the same window, rather than making a whole new window ?
[06:52] <omniscient> i cant find anything in preferences..
[06:52] <bob2> yes, it's there in the preferences
[06:52] <thoreauputic> browser mode?
[06:52] <omniscient> file management preferences?
[06:52] <omniscient> ah ok
[06:53] <omniscient> browser thanks
[06:54] <Besttechie> Where can I setup ssh on ubuntu?
[06:54] <ubernoob> Besttechie: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:56] <ubernoob> Has anyone been able to set multiple sounds? I have tried to follow this howto without luck: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882
[06:56] <Besttechie> ty
[06:59] <defkewl> hi there
[06:59] <ljlane> ubernoob: that only works for alsa enabled applications. But you can use aoss for some that use OSS.
[06:59] <techn9ne> how does muine comapre to rythmbox?
[06:59] <techn9ne> is it worth downloading, compiling ?
[06:59] <Amaranth> compiling? sudo apt-get install muine
[07:00] <Amaranth> muine is just a player
[07:00] <techn9ne> doesnt work
[07:00] <thoreauputic> techn9ne: I tried, but it requires mono libraries etc I think - I couldn't be bothered with the download
[07:00] <ljlane> ubernoob, actually forget what I said. esd is a bit different.
[07:00] <Amaranth> do you have universe enabled?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: not available in warty
[07:01] <sleeper> hi
[07:01] <sleeper> can i write in a ntfs partition?
[07:01] <ubernoob> ljlane: i'll probably have to wait for warty then...
[07:01] <Amaranth> ah
[07:01] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: oops - appears it *is* there in warty - sorry
[07:01] <SuperLag> I'm beginning to think that AMD64 isn't worth the trouble...
[07:01] <techn9ne> not unless you have more than 4gb. of ram
[07:02] <techn9ne> 64 bit is way over rated
[07:02] <Amaranth> SuperLag: It's overhyped but still good.
[07:02] <SuperLag> too much stuff is broken :/
[07:02] <sleeper> can u help me please?
[07:02] <sleeper> can i write in a ntfs partition?
[07:02] <error_29> good evening folks.  Can anybody tell me how to get my presario laptop to go into suspend mode, or at least turn off its backlight, when I close the lid?
[07:02] <jdub> SuperLag: you can always run the 32 bit distro on amd64
[07:02] <jdub> the chips are bollockingly fast
[07:02] <techn9ne> sleeper: yes but not reliabley
[07:02] <Amaranth> sleeper: No, not really. There are a couple of exceptions but they are mostly worthless.
[07:03] <Amaranth> You can edit a file as long as you don't change it's size. That's about the only NTFS support I've seen.
[07:03] <ubernoob> sleeper: it depends on your kernel. You couldn't with the old ones, but i think the new one have full ntfs support. do a quick google seacrh. then you will find out for sure
[07:03] <daniels> as jdub said -- the athlon64 chips are absolutely screamingly fast, no matter what mode you run them in.
[07:04] <daniels> my athlonxp 2400+ built x in around 2h; my athlon64 3500+ can do it in a touch under 45min.
[07:04] <Amaranth> ubernoob: Not full support, just support that won't destroy the NTFS partition (and can't change the size of a file).
[07:04] <techn9ne> i dunno i have a athlon 1500 that ive never seen a need for smething faster
[07:04] <techn9ne> nothing takes any time
[07:04] <techn9ne> except maybe compiling which i never do
[07:04] <ubernoob> Amaranth: ok. thought they had fixed that
[07:04] <heero> then, dont exit the complete support of amd64?
[07:04] <heero> and only you use the 32bit compatibility
[07:04] <heero> exist*
[07:04] <techn9ne> you can use 32 bit apps in 64 mode right?
[07:04] <techn9ne> what is 64 bit mode... 64 bit compiled kernel?
[07:05] <daniels> 64-bit kernel, 64-bit apps
[07:05] <heero> :O
[07:06] <techn9ne> can you not run 32 bit apps in 64 bit kernel?
[07:06] <techn9ne> or it is all one or all the other?
[07:06] <bob2> you need a kernel that supports both
[07:06] <spacepopeye> How do I change folder access permissions?
[07:06] <heero> chmod
[07:06] <techn9ne> sounds like too much of a pain
[07:06] <heero> man chmod for more info
[07:06] <Amaranth> if you use a 64-bit kernel ndiswrapper won't work
[07:06] <thoreauputic> and man chown
[07:07] <thoreauputic> for ownership
[07:08] <ubernoob> gentoo might bee a good distro if you are using 64-bit. then you can compile everything yourself
[07:08] <bob2> ubernoob: and if you use ubuntu, you have all the same applications pre-built for you
[07:08] <heero> yes
[07:09] <Agabus> is there any reason for me to download the array 5 iso, when i have array 4 installed?
[07:09] <bob2> only if you want to help test it
[07:09] <ubernoob> bob2: working with 64 bit also?
[07:09] <techn9ne> Agabus: i think you can just apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:10] <Agabus> bob2 - yeh, i wanna help test it
[07:10] <Agabus> techn9ne - are u sure?
[07:10] <techn9ne> no
[07:11] <techn9ne> you should be able to though
[07:11] <techn9ne> maybe you have to change apt sources
[07:11] <Agabus> to what?
[07:11] <techn9ne> if you can upgrade from warty to hoary you should be able to upgrade hoary as alphas come out
[07:11] <Agabus> yeh i figured so
[07:11] <techn9ne> i have no idea. i dont use hoary.
[07:12] <techn9ne> i only have 1 system
[07:12] <bob2> ubernoob: er? the amd64 port is an amd64 64-bit port
[07:12] <Agabus> oh k
[07:12] <Agabus> is there anyone else here that would know?
[07:12] <thoreauputic> someone should inflict a slow and lingering death on the author of the bitchX quit messages...
[07:12] <techn9ne> ummm youd think... but no one else is piping in so try asking in forums
[07:13] <Amaranth> Agabus: You can just dist-upgrade. Actually it should just need upgrade unless it wants to install new packages.
[07:13] <daniels> you can dist-upgrade twice a day if you want
[07:13] <Amaranth> Agabus: dist-upgrade daily if you like adventure
[07:13] <Amaranth> i was doing it 5 times a day :P
[07:13] <techn9ne> make sure you apt-get update first
[07:13] <Agabus> what exactly does dist-upgrade do? just upgrade any packages that have been updated in the repo's that i have installed?
[07:14] <Amaranth> Agabus: upgrade won't install new packages or remove packages
[07:14] <Amaranth> dist-upgrade will do that in order to upgrade all your installed packages to the latest version
[07:14] <boots> I have no sound in Ubuntu, apparently my AC97 is not installed, can someone help?
[07:14] <Agabus> k well ill try it
[07:14] <bob2> boots: that won't be the problem
[07:15] <boots> Ok, can you help me?
[07:15] <bob2> boots: ask on the ubuntu-users list
[07:15] <boots> Is there a way to get my onboard sound going?
[07:15] <techn9ne> ac97 is supported
[07:16] <techn9ne> iu had a onboard ac97 sound card that worked out of box
[07:16] <Agabus> i hope this dist-upgrade fixed my rhythmbox problems
[07:16] <bob2> the problem isn't anything to do with ac97
[07:16] <bob2> the problem is probably just a module that wasn't loaded
[07:16] <boots> How can I log onto ubuntu-users list?
[07:16] <techn9ne> ubuntuforums.org
[07:16] <bob2> no
[07:16] <bob2> use the actual list and ignore the cluelessness of the forums
[07:17] <BiteMeBill>  Anyone know what lavalite is?
[07:17] <boots> Ok I will try that, thanks.
[07:17] <bob2> boots: post to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com including the output of "lsmod", "dmesg" and lspci.
[07:17] <bob2> ask to be CC'd if you don't want to subscribe
[07:17] <Agabus> BiteMeBill - u mean lavalamp?
[07:18] <BiteMeBill> Agabus, no lavalite.  I'm ssh'd into one of my ubuntu machines and it shows it running at the top in the top list.
[07:18] <boots> Bob: are those commands to be typed into terminal?
[07:18] <bob2> boots: yes.
[07:18] <boots> ok thanks
[07:18] <Agabus> BiteMeBill - oh k, nah sorry mate i don't
[07:19] <zbowling> sssshh... :-) quick semi illegal script to install java and set it up for you :-) http://www.polystimulus.com/java-install-ubuntu.sh
[07:19] <ubernoob> anyone knows about a good virtual machine? i have heard of vmware. Is there anyone for free?
[07:19] <crimsun> ubernoob: if you're on x86, there's Xen.
[07:20] <bob2> ubernoob: qemu.
[07:20] <bob2> xen is not a general VM
[07:20] <zbowling> ubernoob: not to many good ones that are free
[07:20] <crimsun> true.
[07:20] <bob2> for instance, you can't run anything but Linux or NetBSD on it
[07:20] <zbowling> if you want to run windows vmware is nearly the only solution that I've found
[07:20] <bob2> or qemu.
[07:20] <bob2> or just using wine.
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> qemu is nice
[07:21] <BiteMeBill>  Agabus, I feel dumb now.  Just googled it and it's the screensaver running.  LMAO
[07:21] <speel> is vmware free?
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> qemu is
[07:21] <crimsun> no.
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> vmware is costly
[07:21] <techn9ne> speel: no
[07:21] <thoreauputic> on mac there's mac-on-linux
[07:21] <ubernoob> i'm just going to try out horay. but array 4 didn't work, so i dont want to screw up my system again
[07:21] <zbowling> yeah.. ;-) my install script for java should work for a few days until sun rotates the link for the wget command :-)
[07:21] <techn9ne> ubernoob: try the live cd
[07:21] <speel> hmm ok
[07:22] <techn9ne> speel: crossover works good
[07:22] <zbowling> nomasteryoda: one solution is pick up a key from your local warez sites (you didn't hear it from me...)
[07:22] <speel> yea i heard good reviews on it
[07:22] <techn9ne> depends what you are trying to do
[07:22] <techn9ne> warez smarez... software should be free
[07:22] <speel> depends
[07:23] <BiteMeBill>  M$ software should be free since it causes more headaches and problems than anything else.
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> i own vmware, but really am pushing qemu
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> it is fast
[07:23] <techn9ne> i hate what microsoft is doing.... cutting out windows update, activations etc. etc.
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> BiteMeBill: lol true
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> techn9ne: the heck with them
[07:24] <techn9ne> i spend all week fixing stupid windows computers makes live 10x harder
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> we don't nee them
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> d
[07:24] <techn9ne> you treat your customers like crap then they stop becoming customers
[07:24] <speel> i mean you go to college for 4 years you sepend thousands of dollars learning how to program then when you go out to the world and you try to sell your software to make up for that college money
[07:24] <techn9ne> i dont you dont. but others do.
[07:24] <BiteMeBill> techn9ne, I think this new step will get them in some deep water in some court systems.
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> techn9ne: it pays the bills
[07:24] <zbowling> vmware dumps on 2.6.x kernels and uses gtk 1.x stuff
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> zbowling: dumps?
[07:25] <zbowling> it warns you every 5 minutes that you are bad and you suck and that your children are ugly on 2.6.x kernels
[07:25] <speel> LOL
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[07:25] <thoreauputic> zbowling: but - is it true?? ;-)
[07:26] <zbowling> sometimes.. :-) depends what you got running.. if you half the legacy options enabled in your kernel then its fine
[07:26] <zbowling> s/half/have half/
[07:26] <thoreauputic> haha spacepopeye saw my comment on bitchX  :D
[07:28] <zbowling> i'm one of the official mono developers. most of us run ether NLD or Ubuntu, so I have the VMware stuff down to the letter for the other devs that need to run windows for testing
[07:29] <speel> hey ive seen articles on osnews about mono what is it  ( in simple terms )
[07:29] <zbowling> if you have a copy of Windows XP/2003 Volume Licence edition, you won't have any registration issues.. but to get a copy of that you have to work for a major company
[07:30] <jdub> speel: a Free reimplementation of .net
[07:30] <techn9ne> or more accurately clr
[07:30] <speel> ah pretty cool :)
[07:30] <zbowling> speel: its a open source implimentation of the .NET framework.. works on linux, windows, mac, freebsd, etc.. we have 99% of the framework done..
[07:31] <zbowling> speel: its ran by Miguel de Icaza, the founder of Gnome and Ximian and now under the umbrella of Novell
[07:32] <speel> oo nice so its high up there :P
[07:32] <zbowling> also the one who created evelution, gtkhtml, etc..
[07:32] <jdub> miguel didn't kick off evo personally :)
[07:32] <JDahl> Someone said about software development that the first 99% can be finished in a few months, the second 99% percent may take years, and the last 99% may never be finished
[07:33] <boots> can anyone help me with a sound issue?
[07:33] <zbowling> oooh yeah :-) there is also dotGNU for the gnu's version but interest in it is very little since they release under GPL and we release mostly under MIT.X11
[07:33] <hawke> JDahl: The second 99%
[07:33] <jdub> boots: ask your question, don't ask to ask :)
[07:33] <hawke> JDahl: you talking about rewrites?
[07:34] <boots> I have AC97 on board sound, but i don't think it is installed, how can I fix that?
[07:34] <JDahl> hawke, I guess he was refering the fealing that you're almost done... you just the last mile to go.. then another mile and another
[07:34] <jdub> boots: cat /proc/asound/cards, what's mentioned there?
[07:34] <hawke> JDahl: yeah, I suppose.
[07:35] <Amaranth> yeah, that is why i end up staying up until 4am thinking "almost done, just fix this one last bug"
[07:35] <boots> "No such file or directory"
[07:37] <thoreauputic> boots: you sure you typed it right?
[07:37] <monoxide> what program do i use to make/extract .iso's?
[07:37] <boots> jdub: "cat /proc/asound/cards" do i need to type sudo before it?
[07:38] <Tuxicity> monoxide, Nautilus?
[07:38] <monoxide> can nautilus make iso's? ohhh....
[07:38] <Tuxicity> monoxide, from files and folders, yes
[07:38] <alvaro> yo dudes i need help with this ubuntu stuff
[07:38] <monoxide> can it extract an iso to a folder as well?
[07:39] <Tuxicity> monoxide, I think so. right-click on file, then click 'extract here'
[07:39] <monoxide> file-roller seems to be able to handle them anyway :)
[07:40] <Tuxicity> monoxide, it uses file-roller
[07:40] <alvaro> This is my problem: .wmv files don't run. In totem all i hear is distorted sound but no video. I installed Mplayer, but it doesn't play videos.. i try to play a video but it would just freeze the computer for some reason. I tried runnign it in root but it ain't working.
[07:40] <BiteMeBill> boots, It would have said something about permissions if you needed sudo.
[07:40] <alvaro> any ideas? :P
[07:40] <boots> It just says No such file or directory
[07:41] <BiteMeBill> alvaro, Xine plays them fine.
[07:41] <Tuxicity> alvaro, well u need win32codec
[07:41] <thoreauputic> alvaro: you followed an mplayer howto? You installed the win codecs?
[07:41] <alvaro> yea i suppose so. This dude told me that they're suppose to be in the essential thing that came with mplayer :P
[07:41] <alvaro> i downloaded that shiat :P
[07:42] <boots> You have to install the codecs as well
[07:42] <thoreauputic> alvaro: I think you have missing bits...
[07:42] <BiteMeBill> boots, if your running warty your not alone.  I'm not showing a asound directory either.
[07:42] <boots> Really?  So do you have onboard sound?
[07:42] <speel> get totem-xine
[07:43] <BiteMeBill> The machine that I'm ssh'd into right now does have onboard sound.
[07:43] <thoreauputic> boots: I have onboard sound and I also have that directory, with the card info in it
[07:43] <thoreauputic> on warty
[07:43] <alvaro> i think i already got xine
[07:43] <alvaro> : \
[07:43] <roastbill> if anyone can give me some info on setting up nforce2 sound drivers, i would appreciate it greatly.  i have the drivers from nvidia's site
[07:44] <boots> Does warty have a problem with the nforce2 sound drivers?
[07:44] <boots> lol
[07:44] <roastbill> lol
[07:44] <BiteMeBill> that is strange.  I just went to the other machine and it does have that directory....
[07:44] <boots> Do you have no sound Roastbill?
[07:45] <boots> Is that directory supposed to be there?
[07:45] <alvaro> root@dsl081-050-234:/home/alvaro # apt-get install w32codec
[07:45] <alvaro> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:45] <alvaro> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:45] <alvaro> E: Couldn't find package w32codec
[07:45] <alvaro> root@dsl081-050-234:/home/alvaro #
[07:45] <alvaro> wtf
[07:45] <thoreauputic> alvaro: you need the right repository
[07:46] <thoreauputic> and I think it's w32codecs
[07:46] <boots> Alvaro: go to www.ubuntugide.org lots of info for everything your asking :)
[07:46] <alvaro> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:46] <alvaro> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:46] <alvaro> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:46] <alvaro> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:46] <alvaro> is only available from another source
[07:46] <alvaro> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[07:46] <alvaro> root@dsl081-050-234:/home/alvaro #
[07:47] <speel> everyone should really look at http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:47] <thoreauputic> alvaro: do we really need to see the output of all your commands ? :/
[07:47] <boots> It will give you step by step on how to increase your repos. and installing the codecs
[07:48] <apocalypse_> Can someone help me with a little problem
[07:49] <speel> ask away
[07:49] <apocalypse_> When i try anything with apt-* command
[07:49] <apocalypse_> i always get
[07:49] <apocalypse_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:49] <apocalypse_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:50] <apocalypse_> i found a thread on forums but unfortunely is on german
[07:50] <thoreauputic> apocalypse_: you have synaptic open, don't you?
[07:50] <apocalypse_> thoreauputic, yea
[07:50] <thoreauputic> apocalypse_: so close it :)
[07:51] <apocalypse_> thoreauputic,  hah...
[07:51] <speel> you cant use apt-get and synaptic at the same time :P
[07:51] <thoreauputic> it's a front end to apt
[07:51] <boots> good to know
[07:51] <apocalypse_> btw i forund a very nice starter's guide
[07:51] <apocalypse_> where its advised to use synaptic
[07:51] <apocalypse_> for more easy
[07:51] <thoreauputic> apocalypse_: sure
[07:51] <apocalypse_> but how to load a list of all packeges
[07:52] <thoreauputic> but not two instances of apt simultaneously ;-)
[07:52] <apocalypse_> :)
[07:52] <thoreauputic> apocalypse_: settings >> repositories , then  reload
[07:53] <MyNameIsChris> How would I install the latest smp kernel, I have got this far "apt-get install"
[07:54] <apocalypse_> thoreauputic,  10x a lot
[07:54] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: first try  apt-cache search linux-image
[07:54] <MyNameIsChris> cheers
[07:55] <thoreauputic> or apt-cache search linux-image | grep smp
[07:55] <apocalypse_> thoreauputic,  which of all avaible links should i check?
[07:55] <MyNameIsChris> I just realised why I was getting nothing from my searches. I didn't update after I added the repos
[07:56] <thoreauputic> apocalypse_: I suggest you check the lot
[07:56] <speel> =p
[07:56] <BiteMeBill> Ugh!  Now to find out why one systems onboard sound is working and the others isn't.....  Thanks boots!  :-\
[07:56] <StoffBox-Steve> Good Morning :)
[07:56] <speel> night time here ;P
[07:57] <boots> lol, guess thats what im here for
[07:57] <thoreauputic> apocalypse_: and don't forget to reload afterwards !
[07:57] <StoffBox-Steve> Germany it is > sonday 7:57 :)
[07:57] <apocalypse_> thoreauputic,  aha... but it gives some msg for "universe" saying its not supported
[07:57] <thoreauputic> correct
[07:57] <BiteMeBill> speel it is AM at your place.  LOL
[07:57] <thoreauputic> don't worry about it
[07:57] <MyNameIsChris> I've got a while
[07:57] <speel> yea lol 1:57 to be exact
[07:57] <alvaro> what's a newsreader?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> apocalypse_: not supported but fine
[07:57] <StoffBox-Steve>  :)
[07:57] <apocalypse_> thoreauputic,  k:)
[07:58] <boots> BiteMeBill:  Is the comp ur having troubles with using Nforce2?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> alvaro: you can read stuff from news servers with it, funnily enough ;)
[07:59] <BiteMeBill> boots, No I believe they both have ECS mobo's but I know they are different models..  The are both using AC97 but they have different chips.
[08:00] <boots> Well, I'm going to see about some Nforce2 drivers then.
[08:00] <StoffBox-Steve> my Ubuntu is funny ^^ upgrade to hoary last night, but run into some troubbel, that Downgrageing ... and now its a funny mix :)
[08:01] <BiteMeBill> boots, have you done a search in the forums?  Seems there are quite a few posts about that board and sound issues.
[08:01] <thoreauputic> alvaro; for instance http://freenews.maxbaud.net/  (just one news search site)
[08:01] <alvaro> what's hoary and what's warty warthog and hoary hedgehog? :P
[08:01] <BiteMeBill> alvaro, yep
[08:02] <boots> BiteMeBill: Yeah, but only one thread regarding ubuntu and the problem, and it hasn't gotten a response
[08:02] <thoreauputic> alvaro: for more info google "usenet"
[08:02] <BiteMeBill> boots, No the ubuntu forums.  doing a search "nforce2 sound" brings up two pages.
[08:02] <thoreauputic> alvaro: go read ubuntulinux.org FAQ
[08:03] <alvaro> :@!!
[08:03] <alvaro> hey guys is there some problem with GAIM or something, because when i use AIM it doesn't direct connect and i can't send files through it : \
[08:03] <boots> BiteMeBill:  Really?  Well, I also didn't think it was a problem with nforce til i got here
[08:04] <boots> so i didn't search for that
[08:04] <thoreauputic> alvaro: I think PEBKAC , frankly
[08:04] <alvaro> does XMMS play .wmv files?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> no
[08:04] <boots> i will talk to you all later im sure, im on a mission.
[08:04] <BiteMeBill> boots, jump over to the ubuntuforums and take a read.  Might have the information your looking for.  Seems a mixed bag.
[08:04] <StoffBox-Steve> need w32codes for that alvaro
[08:04] <boots> Thanks Bill
[08:05] <linux_galor1> ask in #mplayer and they will give you the ling for the w32 codecs
[08:05] <linux_galor1> link*
[08:05] <alvaro> #mplayer? is that different IRC chatroom?
[08:05] <linux_galor1> alvaro: yep on this server
[08:06] <thoreauputic> alvaro: /join #mplayer
[08:06] <BiteMeBill> Any one have a clue how to get into a directory with a space in the name?
[08:06] <linux_galor1> hai thoreauputic
[08:06] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: escape it using \ or use ""
[08:06] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: use tab completion on it
[08:06] <alvaro> ok im trying to get tehse w32 codecs but says it has no installation candidate
[08:06] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill:   this\ is\ how
[08:07] <BiteMeBill> Thanks...
[08:07] <linux_galor1> yeah tab completing is easier just type the first two letters then press [tab] 
[08:07] <Tuxicity> alvaro, apt-get w32codecs
[08:07] <MyNameIsChris> woot, downloading smp kernel
[08:07] <alvaro> that's what i put
[08:07] <Tuxicity> alvaro, oops i mean "apt-get install w32codecs"
[08:07] <thoreauputic> alvaro: have you actually read *any* of the answers you have been given?
[08:07] <alvaro> thats what i put :P
[08:08] <MyNameIsChris> 53 minutes to go!!!
[08:08] <alvaro> yea but i don't get them :P
[08:08] <Cam-> howdy everyone. just letting you know that my psc 1210 multi function device printed out of the box with small adding of a print object with the user friendly gnome print management
[08:08] <Cam-> but
[08:08] <Cam-> can i get my device to scan aswell?
[08:08] <Tuxicity> alvaro, READ ubuntuguide.org
[08:08] <alvaro> i've been reading that shiat for the past 15 mins.. but it ain't giving me answers :P
[08:09] <thoreauputic> alvaro: and READ ubuntulinux.org
[08:09] <Tuxicity> alvaro, read the section about adding repos
[08:09] <thoreauputic> and SEARCH ubuntulinux.org
[08:09] <Tuxicity> alvaro, then the section about mutimedia
[08:10] <linux_galor1> actually thats one thing I noticed ubuntu doesnt see a scanner on a printer when you set it up...suse and mandrake see it
[08:10] <alvaro> i already did that add repos shiat
[08:10] <Cam-> linux_galor: had any luck with this?
[08:10] <thoreauputic> alvaro: have you reloaded?
[08:10] <alvaro> reloaded?
[08:10] <hawke> alvaro: yeah, you're probably running low on ammo
[08:11] <alvaro> would apt-get update? :P
[08:11] <linux_galor1> Cam-: well usually you have to setup xsane or go to the xsane home page and see if the printer/scanner is supported
[08:11] <alvaro> n' upgrade?
[08:11] <MyNameIsChris> linux images will come in .deb, right?
[08:11] <hawke> alvaro: reload == apt-get update, yes
[08:11] <alvaro> oh ok :P
[08:11] <alvaro> DIE! :P
[08:11] <Cam-> thanks galor
[08:12] <alvaro> meh still won't install the w32codecs
[08:12] <linux_galor1> I havent gone into setting up a scanner in Ubuntu so i cant comment right now I just noticed it didnt see my scanner
[08:12] <alvaro> i keep getting that it doesn't have an installation candidate
[08:12] <Cam-> yer galor, it noticed the print device in dmesg
[08:12] <Cam-> but nothing about a scanner
[08:12] <thoreauputic> alvaro: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:13] <StoffBox-Steve> guys, i know i can insert a floppy image into grub and that boot, but can i insert a normaly iso file to grub an than boot form the iso file ?
[08:13] <linux_galor1> Cam-: yeah one of those needs to be fixed things by the looks suse and manhate both saw the scanner when i ran the print setup tools
[08:13] <Tuxicity> MyNameIsChris, linux images? you mean packages?
[08:13] <linux_galor1> iso = image  .deb = package
[08:14] <Tuxicity> MyNameIsChris, oh you mean a kernle image
[08:14] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: in .deb yes - you just choose one and install it
[08:14] <MyNameIsChris> Tuxicity: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-686-smp, please be patient, I only switched to Ubuntu today
[08:14] <alvaro> what do i do synaptic packagae manager?
[08:14] <Tuxicity> MyNameIsChris, ya it will be a .deb
 alvaro: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:14] <MyNameIsChris> It will install for me like yum or do I have to click on it?
[08:14] <BiteMeBill>  alvaro, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs  It will hold your hand thru it.
[08:15] <cartman> are there any mirrors of archive.ubuntu.com?
[08:15] <Tuxicity> MyNameIsChris, but when using apt-get, you dont specify the extension .deb, just the name of the package
[08:15] <delltony> anyone been able to get d4x to run on hoary?
[08:15] <linux_galor1> Cam-: sane is the daemon that looks after your scanner xsane (also gimp) can act as a front end
[08:16] <MyNameIsChris> Tuxicity: Thankyou, I am just learning apt
[08:16] <Cam-> yeh i see
[08:16] <Cam-> i found a project called hpoj
[08:16] <MyNameIsChris> I have had some experience getting data of a Woody cd ages ago
[08:16] <Cam-> its on the hoary repos
[08:16] <linux_galor1> http://www.sane-project.org/
[08:17] <caseymorring> hey im a totally newbie...just install linux for the first time today...im trying to install realplayer for linux and i really dont know how...
[08:17] <caseymorring> can someone please help me
[08:17] <linux_galor1> got a nice scanner and in two years ive scanned about 10 pages and printed about 30 lol
[08:18] <Tuxicity> caseymorring, read ubuntuguide.org
[08:18] <Tuxicity> caseymorring, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[08:18] <caseymorring> thank you
[08:19] <alvaro> mine has something different in the sources.list
[08:19] <linux_galor1> Ive got helix player and real installed
[08:19] <alvaro> look at this biatches:
[08:19] <BiteMeBill> alvaro, if you did " sudo apt-get install w32codecs " (without the quotes) then you didn't add the repositories correctly and the problem is in your sources.list  It just installed fine on my server.
[08:19] <alvaro> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[08:19] <alvaro> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[08:19] <alvaro> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[08:19] <alvaro> ## repository.
[08:19] <alvaro> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[08:20] <linux_galor1> alvaro: dont spam
[08:20] <BiteMeBill> alvaro, use postbin or #flood for that.
[08:20] <alvaro> that's how mine starts off right after the #deb cdrom line
[08:20] <MyNameIsChris> alvaro: did you make the same mistake I just did and not apt-update?
[08:20] <alvaro> i did apt-update :S
[08:20] <Tuxicity> alvaro, just copy the one from ubuntuguide.org
[08:20] <MyNameIsChris> Okay
[08:20] <thoreauputic> :/  apt-get update
[08:21] <MyNameIsChris> That is what I meant
[08:21] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: yes I know, but alvaro seems to have a little trouble with reading...
[08:22] <alvaro> O_O
[08:22] <linux_galor1> 0_o
[08:22] <BiteMeBill> that is the understatement of the night
[08:22] <MyNameIsChris> 24 minutes until kernel
[08:22] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: hehe
[08:23] <BiteMeBill> MyNameIsChris, Not counting down are we?  LOL  A watched pot never boils.
[08:24] <linux_galor1> guys in the #mplayer channel are really nice
[08:24] <BiteMeBill> Has anyone stumbled across a write of of stripping Ubuntu down so that it will work on older machines?
[08:24] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: just use damn small linux
[08:24] <BiteMeBill> write up*
[08:25] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: all the works been done
[08:25] <alvaro> do i delete this : deb ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ binary/
[08:25] <alvaro> deb-src ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ source/ it's in the sources.list :O
[08:25] <techn9ne> BiteMeBill: yes its on ubuntu site somewhere
[08:25] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM/view?searchterm=minimal%20install
[08:25] <alvaro> those are the last lines in sources.list
[08:25] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: there's a link there
[08:25] <BiteMeBill> linux_galor1, I tried that so far Slack is the only thing that would load on this and that was even with a boot floppy.
[08:25] <BiteMeBill> thanks thoreauputic
[08:26] <thoreauputic> BiteMeBill: no worries :)
[08:26] <Cam-> yay its working
[08:26] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: yeah slack has a small <60mb rig
[08:26] <Cam-> sane website + hpoj
[08:26] <JDahl> BiteMeBill, how old is your machine? Ubuntu runs nicely for me on a 5 year old P3
[08:26] <Cam-> = excellent
[08:26] <linux_galor1> havent tried the Ubuntu minimal yet
[08:27] <linux_galor1> Cam-: good website isnt it
[08:27] <jonjon> Does anyone have some advice for settling into a new Ubuntu installation?
[08:27] <BiteMeBill> This is an old IBM 380XD laptop with a whopping 48MB of ram
[08:27] <JDahl> ok, that's a good deal smaller than my machine
[08:28] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: I have a old toshi 48mb Ive got debian running on it
[08:28] <BiteMeBill> jonjon, Yes read the ubuntuguide and the second sticky in the howto section of the forums
[08:28] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: dual boots OS/2  lol
[08:28] <BiteMeBill> linux_galor1, hmm  Woody wouldn't install at all.
[08:28] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: I used the floppies
[08:29] <jonjon> thanks biteme
[08:29] <BiteMeBill> 60 of them?
[08:29] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: no just 3
[08:29] <BiteMeBill> jonjon, your welcome.  Those two section are gold!
[08:29] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: network install
[08:29] <BiteMeBill> Slackware 10 was three floppies and a cd.
[08:30] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: yeah there is a small slack distro you can get
[08:30] <BiteMeBill> Dang this just got network today...  So that wasn't an option.  LOL
[08:30] <alvaro> ok i did the sources.list thing like you guys told me to and i did sudo apt-get update, now im doing upgrade ;P
[08:30] <BiteMeBill> LMAO
[08:31] <alvaro> -_-
[08:31] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: I seem to be a magnet for machine that cant boot from a cdrom
[08:32] <BiteMeBill> linux_galor1, I think I will work on the mini install of Ubuntu next.  Slackware, seems to be way different from Ubuntu and Redhat and it's throwing a wrench in the learning curve.
[08:32] <alvaro> damn this shit im upgrading is hella slow
[08:32] <alvaro> 630 b/s -_-
[08:33] <linux_galor1> BiteMeBill: yeah there is also Vidalinux  thats basically gentoo for normal people
[08:33] <BiteMeBill> alvaro, do you have a friend with the screen name of mcq? or something like that.
[08:33] <alvaro> no, why ?
[08:33] <BiteMeBill> alvaro, just wondering.
[08:34] <cyklus> I got a thinkpad laptop and ive install hoary on it. anyone have a clue how i get suspend to work?
[08:34] <alvaro> what's your sn bitemebill? :P
[08:34] <BiteMeBill> alvaro, BiteMeBill is my sn
[08:34] <linux_galor1> cyklus: lol suspend even on windows is a bit iffy with thinkpads... need to have acpi and apm going
[08:36] <BiteMeBill> thoreauputic seems to even have a read problem LOL
[08:36] <alvaro> yo is there a newer version of openoffice? all i have is 1.1 : \
[08:36] <linux_galor1> alvaro: 2.0 beta is on the server
[08:37] <BiteMeBill> alvaro, you should work on one thing at a time and learn as you go.  did you ever get your w32codecs working?
[08:37] <alvaro> nope, im sudo apt-get upgrade right now, it's taking forever : \
[08:38] <techn9ne> try stopping it and restarting it
[08:38] <techn9ne> ctrl+c then up arrow then enter
[08:38] <linux_galor1> alvaro: you on dial up
[08:39] <alvaro> no 786 kbs/s dsl :P
[08:39] <linux_galor1> alvaro: aah should take a min
[08:39] <techn9ne> stop it and restart it
[08:40] <alvaro> ok i restarted it
[08:40] <BiteMeBill> I like that mini install guide!  Looks like a project for in the morning.
[08:41] <alvaro> meh it's starting to run slow again
[08:41] <apocalypse_> is there cedega @ the apt or i should download from the official *.deb package
[08:41] <alvaro> 10% [3 gimp 16384/3324kB 0%]                                    630B/s 14h38m16s
[08:41] <alvaro> -_-
[08:42] <techn9ne> thats wierd
[08:43] <techn9ne> id stop it apt-get update, reboot computer
[08:43] <techn9ne> then try again
[08:43] <alvaro> ok
[08:43] <techn9ne> 14h is crap
[08:44] <alvaro> i'll do that brb
[08:44] <alvaro> :P
[08:45] <BiteMeBill> linux_galor1, you still in here?
[08:46] <MyNameIsChris> brb, hopefully my new kernel works
[08:48] <cyklus> linux_galor1: works fine in windows... it sucks when you a very mobile with your laptop and dont have access to power... i have to reboot all the time now, whereas with windows i can just suspend it
[08:48] <cyklus> linux_galor1: if anyone else ever askes: http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/
[08:48] <alvaro> still running slow :P
[08:49] <alvaro> is this my internet connection or the server im downloading from? :P cu z on mine pages load up fast : \
[08:50] <techn9ne> i dunno
[08:52] <cyklus> I'm using a thinkpad and was wondering where I set up mappings for the special keys? for example i want to set up a suspend command to be executed when i hit <fn>-<suspend key> ?
[08:56] <MyNameIsChris> Does anyone know why my keyboard and mouse don't work when I boot my new 2.6.8.1-5-686-smp kernel?
[08:57] <neijk> iS ANYONE THERE?
[08:57] <goldfish> YES
[08:57] <goldfish> :)
[08:57] <neijk> High
[08:58] <goldfish> haylo
[08:58] <neijk> Im just downloading ubuntu right now is it a good OS?
[08:58] <Rattboi> lol
[08:58] <goldfish> i like it
[08:58] <Rattboi> funny place to ask
[08:58] <goldfish> lol :)
[08:58] <Tuxicity> neijk, let me think... yes
[08:58] <neijk> Im kinda worried about the install i have never run a linux OS before :\
[08:58] <goldfish> neijk: neither ddid i before ubuntu
[08:59] <goldfish> installed it aboyt a month ago
[08:59] <neijk> Was the instaLATION DIFFICULT?
[08:59] <goldfish> nope
[08:59] <MyNameIsChris> neijk: If you have a sata drive you are going to love the install *shudders*
[08:59] <Tuxicity> neijk, if you can handle up/down arrows, than it's easy
[08:59] <neijk> Damn caps
[08:59] <goldfish> Its a nice linux distro to start off with
[08:59] <neijk> Lol good
[08:59] <neijk> Yeah
[08:59] <neijk> I was gona try Yoper first
[08:59] <Rattboi> neijk, I'm guessing you're running XP now?
[09:00] <neijk> No
[09:00] <Rattboi> or some other windows variant?
[09:00] <neijk> my XP stuffed up
[09:00] <Rattboi> ok
[09:00] <neijk> I only have 98 on this right now
[09:00] <neijk> not instaling xp just to remove it
[09:00] <Rattboi> so it's ok to wipe the drive?
[09:00] <neijk> Im going to do a complete format i cant stand mocrosoft and i no longer wish to support its use.
[09:01] <Rattboi> sounds good then
[09:01] <goldfish> i just use it for games
[09:01] <neijk> format C: all the way..
[09:01] <Rattboi> you probably won't have problems
[09:01] <neijk> Yeah well i hope not :\
[09:01] <Rattboi> if you want, try a live cd first
[09:01] <Rattboi> what kind of hardware is it?
[09:01] <neijk> I have used Knoppix before, Lol if that counts as an os
[09:02] <neijk> I run pretty basic hardware
[09:02] <Rattboi> I meant speedwise
[09:02] <neijk> AMD 3600 512 DDR
[09:02] <goldfish> lol
[09:02] <Rattboi> I'm running Ubuntu on a 500mhz P3 w/ 128mb ram
[09:02] <Rattboi> it's a bit slow
[09:02] <Tuxicity> neijk, oooo
[09:02] <goldfish> basic?
[09:02] <goldfish> :)
[09:02] <neijk> Thats basic
[09:02] <neijk> i have better comps
[09:02] <goldfish> cool
[09:02] <neijk> Just this is my favorite one
[09:02] <neijk> it has neons
[09:03] <goldfish> nice
[09:03] <neijk> Yeah
[09:03] <goldfish> I want to build one in the summer
[09:03] <neijk> Well my dad has better ones.
[09:03] <neijk> I built this one
[09:03] <goldfish> and get clear panel and cathode tubes :)
[09:03] <neijk> I have cathode tubes on the front
[09:03] <neijk> changing colors
[09:03] <goldfish> oooh
[09:03] <Tuxicity> neijk, u get free OR what?
[09:03] <neijk> and a blue neon inside
[09:03] <neijk> No
[09:03] <Tuxicity> neijk, u get them free OR what!?
[09:03] <goldfish> cool :)
[09:03] <Rattboi> my monitor has CRTs inside too
[09:03] <neijk> I payed for all my own parst
[09:04] <neijk> Mod ware is expensive
[09:04] <apocalypse_> Can i ask something?
[09:04] <jetlee> anyone success w/ umounting ipod?
[09:04] <goldfish> yes :)
[09:04] <neijk> my case came with the 2 cathode tubes on the front
[09:04] <apocalypse_> A fr of me told about a powerfull tool to edit the look'n'feel of gnome
[09:04] <goldfish> neijk: what make
[09:04] <goldfish> '
[09:04] <goldfish> ?
[09:05] <jetlee> mine does not want to be umounted
[09:05] <apocalypse_> but i forgot what was the name ....
[09:05] <neijk> Dont know
[09:05] <neijk> its stainless steel
[09:05] <neijk> has a clear panel
[09:05] <goldfish> I want it :)
[09:05] <MyNameIsChris> Has anyone had issues with no keyboard and mouse input on 2.6.8.1-5-686-smp?
[09:05] <neijk> i want it to.
[09:05] <Tuxicity> neijk, i wish I had 1 of your PCs...
[09:05] <neijk> How old are you guys?
[09:05] <goldfish> 19
[09:05] <neijk> wow
[09:05] <goldfish> u?
[09:05] <neijk> 12
[09:06] <goldfish> LOL
[09:06] <MyNameIsChris> apocalypse_: ask
[09:06] <neijk> whats LOL?
[09:06] <Tuxicity> neijk, 0_o
[09:06] <goldfish> neijk: laugh out load
[09:06] <goldfish> :)
[09:06] <goldfish> cool
[09:06] <neijk> Hmm i ge that alot i get kicked out of chats alot when people ask my age
[09:06] <neijk> I know what LOL means
[09:06] <neijk> I was wondering what you were laughing at
[09:07] <MyNameIsChris> neijk: Well this is irc, the wild west of chat
[09:07] <apocalypse_> MyNameIsChris,  a frend of mine told be about very nice and powerfull tool to edit gnome's look'n'feel but i forgot the name.... any of u heard of that
[09:07] <goldfish> neijk: oh right, i was just saying, funny you building computers at 12
[09:07] <goldfish> wish i knew about that stuff when i was that age
[09:07] <Tuxicity> neijk, funny you can afford computers at 12...
[09:07] <neijk> i have build your own computer in 24 hours
[09:07] <neijk> the book
[09:07] <goldfish> oh right
[09:08] <goldfish> must look for it in eBook form
[09:08] <neijk> plus the mother board comes with a book that basicaly tells you everything you need to know
[09:08] <goldfish> Saves the pennies.
[09:08] <MyNameIsChris> apocalypse_: Haven't heard of it, google is your friend
[09:08] <goldfish> ah right, never knew that
[09:08] <neijk> Ya
[09:08] <neijk> It tells you where everything plugs into
[09:08] <goldfish> cool
[09:08] <goldfish> Thanks for the info :)
[09:09] <neijk> where are you from?
[09:09] <goldfish> Ireland.
[09:09] <neijk> Oh wow.
[09:09] <goldfish> u from austria?
[09:09] <apocalypse_> :(
[09:09] <neijk> No, im from australia.
[09:09] <goldfish> oh right
[09:09] <goldfish> hehe
[09:10] <MyNameIsChris> neijk: Hello comrade
[09:10] <neijk> Chris.
[09:10] <neijk> Your australian?
[09:10] <MyNameIsChris> Yes
[09:11] <neijk> what state?
[09:11] <MyNameIsChris> nsw
[09:11] <neijk> Oh Ok.
[09:11] <MyNameIsChris> You?
[09:11] <neijk> How old are yopu?
[09:11] <MyNameIsChris> 16
[09:11] <neijk> I am victorian.
[09:11] <neijk> In 12, Male, Vic, Home schooled.
[09:12] <MyNameIsChris> 16, male, nsw, public schooled
[09:12] <neijk> But im equivilent to a year 10 in my education.
[09:13] <neijk> I will probably revieve university enrollment forms when i am 14.
[09:13] <neijk> recieve*
[09:13] <neijk> But this is basicaly my classroom
[09:13] <neijk> the internet.
[09:14] <neijk> eh 45 mins just to download ubuntu
[09:15] <neijk> only took 30 for yoper
[09:16] <neijk> You people dant talk a whole lot do you?
[09:16] <Jerub> does anyone know how I would get lirc working under ubuntu?
[09:16] <MyNameIsChris> I am trying to see why my new kernel doesn't like my keyboard and mouse
[09:16] <Jerub> I've never had success under debian.
[09:16] <neijk> Chris
[09:16] <Freakwitch> what app do people use to burn audio CDs with ubuntu?
[09:16] <neijk> Unsupported?
[09:16] <Jerub> Freakwitch: I've used k3b
[09:16] <Amaranth> Freakwitch: k3b
[09:16] <Freakwitch> k3b isn't playing well
[09:16] <neijk> If all else fails, Read the box.
[09:17] <MyNameIsChris> They are supported, something wrong with this particular kernel
[09:17] <Freakwitch> it thinks my DVD/CDRW drive in the laptop can't write CDs, not sure why
[09:17] <Freakwitch> I've run k3bsetup as root
[09:17] <Freakwitch> aren't there any gnome apps included with ubuntu for audio CDs? I find this difficult to believe, given that ubuntu is gnome-based
[09:18] <goldfish> neijk: what time is it over there?
[09:18] <MyNameIsChris> 19:20
[09:18] <goldfish> i see
[09:18] <Freakwitch> I can burn data CDs from nautilus, btw
[09:19] <Amaranth> Freakwitch: Well, there aren't too many GNOME apps that burn audio CDs.
[09:19] <Freakwitch> yeah, so I'm discovering. I find this odd.
[09:19] <MyNameIsChris> Can ubuntu use kernels built from standard source or are they customised?
[09:20] <Jerub> k3b has always worked for me.
[09:20] <Amaranth> MyNameIsChris: 99.9% of the time you don't need to build your own kernel.
[09:20] <Amaranth> But it will work.
[09:20] <Jerub> MyNameIsChris: no dist uses standard kernels afaik.
[09:20] <Freakwitch> yeah, it looks like it should work, but it don't. yet.
[09:20] <MyNameIsChris> Yes, but this one won't play with my input devices
[09:20] <neijk> CRAP! thats why i hate windows, just crashed.\
[09:21] <Tuxicity> Freakwitch, for audio CDs, read the wiki
[09:21] <neijk> Lost my download
[09:21] <akira> haha
[09:21] <neijk> now i have to wait 45 more mins, Damn it!
[09:22] <neijk> akira,  :\
[09:22] <Tuxicity> neijk, or use knoppix to get Ubuntu?
[09:22] <neijk> No
[09:22] <neijk> Im using winbloze
[09:22] <akira> 45 min?
[09:22] <neijk> Yes.
[09:23] <neijk> To download Ubuntu.
[09:23] <Jerub> MyNameIsChris: there's faciltiies to compile your own kernel from the ubuntu patched sources.
[09:23] <MyNameIsChris> Jerub: I am just wondering why the smp kernel I downloaded boots, gets to the welcome screen and then no input
[09:24] <neijk> 45 min is forever.
[09:24] <goldfish> not really
[09:24] <goldfish> go watch tv
[09:24] <An00b15> my browser is broken
[09:24] <neijk> it is when your me
[09:24] <MyNameIsChris> neijk: I just spent >45mins downloading a kernel
[09:24] <neijk> I dont like tv
[09:24] <An00b15> its telling me an external app is needed to handle any link
[09:24] <neijk> what sort of internet do you have?
[09:24] <MyNameIsChris> 64k
[09:24] <goldfish> dsl
[09:24] <goldfish> 512k
[09:25] <MyNameIsChris> isdn
[09:25] <MyNameIsChris> unichannel
[09:25] <neijk> Hmm, Im DSl 1.5
[09:25] <goldfish> we have shit connections in ireland
[09:25] <neijk> T1
[09:25] <neijk> Basically
[09:25] <goldfish> nice
[09:25] <neijk> Its pretty good
[09:25] <Tuxicity> neijk, then it doesnt take 45mins
[09:25] <neijk> Linux would harness the speed better then windows does
[09:25] <MyNameIsChris> I might give this kernel another shot
[09:26] <nanomad> anyone in here is using a tv card with ubuntu?
[09:26] <neijk> Tux trust me i got mozilla working its rear off download it,
[09:26] <MyNameIsChris> Does ubuntu come with epic because I may resort to rl3?
[09:26] <akira> hey im dialup 56k
[09:26] <Jerub> MyNameIsChris: "no input", do you have an unusual input device?
[09:26] <neijk> And of course it doesnt actualy download at 1.5 on the dot
[09:26] <Jerub> MyNameIsChris: irssi > epic
[09:26] <MyNameIsChris> Standard keyboard and mouse
[09:26] <akira> 1.5 mega bits
[09:26] <MyNameIsChris> Does it have irssi?
[09:26] <Jerub> MyNameIsChris: ps2 or usb?
[09:26] <goldfish> yes
[09:26] <MyNameIsChris> ps2
[09:26] <neijk> its downloading at 200.4 Kbps
[09:26] <MyNameIsChris> Work in stock kernel
[09:26] <neijk> right now
[09:26] <neijk> Thats prettysad
[09:26] <goldfish> irssi is the pwnz0re
[09:26] <MyNameIsChris> And in every other kernel I have used
[09:27] <nanomad> ...i have a little problem with mine.....
[09:27] <Jerub> okay, and the SMP doesn't work?
[09:27] <neijk> the Sex money power does work
[09:27] <MyNameIsChris> The smp kernel is the one tha doesn't work
[09:27] <neijk> So i hear
[09:27] <Jerub> MyNameIsChris: can you access the system logs?
[09:27] <akira> neijk: that isn't sad
[09:27] <akira> neijk: sad is 3.7 kbps
[09:27] <neijk> I think im goin to go and play with my dog and wait for this download
[09:28] <neijk> akira, your right
[09:28] <MyNameIsChris> I can reboot into the stock kernel and view the logs
[09:28] <MyNameIsChris> Jerub: Have you got an idea?
[09:28] <neijk> Afk, playing with my dog.
[09:29] <Jerub> MyNameIsChris: can you check if there are any error messages in either the Xorg logs or the syslog?
[09:29] <MyNameIsChris> Sure
[09:29] <MyNameIsChris> You mean xfree86 right?
[09:30] <akira> alright im going to do it
[09:30] <akira> download hoary on dialup
[09:30] <goldfish> LOL
[09:31] <goldfish> how big is it?
[09:31] <Jerub> MyNameIsChris: depends on if you're on hoary or warty.
[09:31] <Jerub> akira: shouldn't take more than 3days.
[09:31] <MyNameIsChris> warty: and I see xfree86 logs
[09:31] <Jerub> ;)_
[09:31] <MyNameIsChris> Which are ee free
[09:31] <MyNameIsChris> and syslog is huge
[09:31] <akira> dunno yet
[09:31] <Jerub> hmm. I should reboot so I'm using the new kernel before I mess with kernel module.
[09:31] <Jerub> s
[09:31] <akira> just getting downloader
[09:31] <akira> so i can pause
[09:32] <Jerub> :( lirc sucks.
[09:32] <goldfish> irssi tbh
[09:32] <goldfish> !
[09:32] <goldfish> It is 08:12 <neijk> But im equivilent to a year 10 in my education.
[09:32] <goldfish> ffs
[09:32] <goldfish> I hate when screen pastes
[09:32] <goldfish> when u right click :/
[09:32] <calc> irssi is great :)
[09:32] <goldfish> and when it pastes random crap
[09:32] <Jerub> goldfish: thats not screen.
[09:32] <Freakwitch> interesting
[09:33] <jesuel> I normally get mail email via fetchmail from my pop3 accounts and im looking for good way to eliminate spam. Is there a easily accessable package for doing this?
[09:33] <goldfish> well, sorry
[09:33] <Freakwitch> k3b thinks my drive can write cdrws, but not cdrs
[09:33] <goldfish> yeah irssi is great
[09:33] <Jerub> jesuel: I used to use procmail and spamassassin.
[09:33] <Freakwitch> anyone seen this before?
[09:33] <Jerub> Freakwitch: if you don't manage to solve the problem, you may want to file a bug against k3.
[09:34] <Jerub> b
[09:34] <Freakwitch> yeah, maybe
[09:34] <An00b15> why the hell is firefox starting totem and not realplayer like mozilla does?
[09:34] <Freakwitch> I wonder if this is a scsi emu issue?
[09:34] <Jerub> An00b15: two different configurations? one may be looking at the gtk bindings...
[09:35] <jesuel> Jerub: you have any idea what i need to stick in my .fetchmailrc for my email to get filtered to procmail?
[09:35] <An00b15> Jerub, where should I look to fix this, and don't they use the same settings?
[09:36] <Jerub> jesuel: nothing. you should be able to just use a .procmailrc file if things are set up correctly.
[09:36] <jesuel> oh ok
[09:36] <Jerub> jesuel: see, fetchmail gives mail to postfix for local delivery I hink.
[09:36] <Jerub> jesuel: and postfix should detect and use procmail
[09:36] <jesuel> oh. then i just need to figure out procmailrc :)
[09:37] <Jerub> Thats Hard. I recommend finding someone else's working configuration.
[09:38] <jesuel> yeah thats what im gonna do
[09:38] <Jerub> jesuel: last time I did this, I used getmail4, maildrop and spamassassin
[09:41] <jesuel> getmail4?
[09:41] <jesuel> better than fetchmail?
[09:41] <jesuel> or just diff?
[09:41] <Jerub> imho, yes.
[09:42] <Jerub> its different, certainly.
[09:42] <jesuel> personally i dont care what i use, i just want to get my pop3 email, filter it and then read it in mutt or evolution
[09:42] <jesuel> mutt when im not home, evolution when im home
[09:44] <Jerub> *shrug*
[09:44] <Jerub> I would be happy just getting procmail+spamassassin working
[09:45] <jesuel> thats the one im working on now
[09:45] <MyNameIsChris> Jerub: My mouse works when I plug it into a usb port
[09:46] <akira> ok i gave up downloading hoary
[09:46] <akira> i decided to download at school
[09:47] <akira> but i first need to find an application that can split files that works on a windows/linux box
[09:51] <jesuel> ahh
[09:51] <jesuel> i figured it out
[09:53] <ompaul> jesuel, what have you figured out? (me having just joined the channel is curious, this must be the quitest that I have seen the channel in a long time)
[09:53] <jesuel> just writing my .procmailrc
[09:53] <ompaul> ahh
[09:55] <nanomad> anyone in here is using a tv card with ubuntu? i need help, beacause mine refuses to work. whenever i try to start xawtv the screen goes black and i have to reboot. The card is a pctv one with a bt878 chip onboard.
[09:55] <defkewl> what do you think about ubuntu?
[09:55] <defkewl> just another debian descendants?
[09:56] <jesuel> nanomad: im using a tv card but....mines a saa7134 chipset
[09:56] <jesuel> and xawtv works peachy
[09:56] <nanomad> ok, well, should be similar. are u using xorg?
[09:57] <jesuel> no
[09:57] <ompaul> defkewl, no
[09:57] <defkewl> why not?
[09:57] <jesuel> im still on warty
[09:57] <ompaul> defkewl, I think it makes an excellent first timers desktop
[09:57] <defkewl> well I'm still scared to use ubuntu
[09:58] <defkewl> since it depends on debian
[09:58] <defkewl> and we all know that debian is slow in development
[09:58] <nanomad> jesuel, might be realted to xorg so.
[09:58] <Amaranth> defkewl: Debian Unstable isn't slow
[09:58] <Tuxicity> defkewl, Debian is not slow in development, just the stable branch is
[09:59] <ompaul> defkewl, so read the ubuntulinux site and understand how it gets its development cycles labelled
[09:59] <defkewl> are you talking about sarge?
[09:59] <ompaul> defkewl, no read the site
[09:59] <defkewl> if debian dev is not slow, why does the stable still on woody for years
[10:00] <ompaul> defkewl, stop right there
[10:00] <ompaul> defkewl, consider this, ubuntu is tied to debian in a rather interesting way - go read the site
[10:00] <ompaul> defkewl, then ask the question
[10:00] <ompaul> :)
[10:00] <defkewl> I've read it
[10:00] <bob2> the Debian release process is pretty off-topic
[10:01] <bob2> unless you're actually a DD and/or know what's going on
[10:01] <defkewl> ubuntu development depends on debian
[10:01] <defkewl> if debian is dead, so will ubuntu :D
[10:01] <Tuxicity> defkewl, yes on Debian unstable, which is pretty cutting-edge
[10:04] <Amaranth> if that isn't bleeding edge i dunno what is
[10:05] <DemonWeeping> Whoa ... big channel
[10:05] <ompaul>  just for general info, yesterday I installed Ubuntu with a serial modem on array 5, due to the fact that the box had no /dev/modem  and the graphical tool did not create one, the modem was on ttyS0 so just created a simlink provided a desktop short cut to wvdial and another one to killall -TERM wvdial, the user is happy at this time
[10:06] <Amaranth> ompaul: Nice
[10:07] <ompaul> Amaranth, ta :)
[10:08] <DemonWeeping> OK I am an old hat with Linux systems administration ... Run it both at home and at work but NOT as a workstation. Here's a question - Do you think Ubuntu would be a good workstation operating system to put on a small form factor box I am building for my grandmother for just web, Email, and (here's the tough one) downloading images off a digital camera I am buying her?
[10:08] <bob2> DemonWeeping: of course.
[10:08] <Amaranth> it should be really simple :)
[10:09] <Tuxicity> DemonWeeping, the best there is
[10:09] <Amaranth> iirc when you hook the camera up it'll automount and ask if you want to import the images into gphoto
[10:09] <DemonWeeping> I figured as much. I sent a computer semi-literate friend to Ubuntu without having ever tried it (my boxes at home are Gentoo and Fedora but neither are workstations) and she loved it
[10:09] <ompaul> DemonWeeping, the one I would choose is one with a compact flash and an external chip usb mounter for speed
[10:10] <ompaul> but then I am a little _strange_
[10:10] <DemonWeeping> You know ... I could build an SD reader into the case and mount it to the internal USB headers...
[10:11] <DemonWeeping> Then simply not give her the USB cable that comes with the camera :D
[10:11] <Jerub> how do I make a program (its got an init script) start on boot?
[10:11] <bob2> Jerub: put hte init script in /etc/init.d/.  install it into the runlevels with update-rc.d
[10:12] <Jerub> ahh, update-rc.d
[10:12] <ompaul> DemonWeeping, only if you now have sd reading from a card - I had issues with that a good while ago
[10:12] <DemonWeeping> OK second question: Assuming I drive the six hours to Vegas and install it and have her set up with a cable modem and open the port for SSH ... Is Ubuntu friendly with package management from the console or is it GUI heavy for admin work?
[10:12] <DemonWeeping> Basically I want to be able to fix/upgrade it from Phoenix
[10:13] <Ribs> DemonWeeping: apt-get is pretty easy to use
[10:13] <DemonWeeping> apt-get? It's Debian based?
[10:13] <Amaranth> yes
[10:13] <ompaul> yes
[10:13] <Ribs> well, duh
[10:13] <Ribs> how did you not know that? :P
[10:13] <ompaul> DemonWeeping, ehh how many years ? ;-)
[10:14] <DemonWeeping> Sorry! I am not used to package systems ... I do at least 85% of my software installs from source
[10:14] <DemonWeeping> Why? Because I am a masochist. A very patient masochist.
[10:14] <Ribs> you sound like a Gentoo user
[10:15] <Tuxicity> hahahaha
[10:15] <Ribs> DemonWeeping: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -- system updated
[10:15] <Ribs> and quickly, as well
[10:15] <nanomad> anyone is using xawtv under Hoary, beacuse i think that it is broken....
[10:15] <DemonWeeping> Ribs Gentoo is for very patient masochists ;) I admit this
[10:16] <nanomad> (that was a question)
[10:16] <Ribs> DemonWeeping: It's okay, I use Gentoo as well :)
[10:16] <DemonWeeping> Haha
[10:16] <Ribs> It's a very nice distro, but I don't use it on my desktop
[10:16] <Ribs> I want to spend time doing shit, not setting up shit
[10:16] <DemonWeeping> So ... verdict is that Ubuntu is good for Grandma? Good.
[10:16] <DemonWeeping> Because I already installed it on the box I am giving her ;) I just have yet to play with it.
[10:16] <bob2> s/Grandma/Everyone/
[10:17] <OrangeSlice> I can't even get grandma to use firefox, let alone linux :p
[10:17] <OrangeSlice> -e's/grandma/anyone/'
[10:17] <ompaul> DemonWeeping, well of course it is, it is good for my father in law who never had a computer before was given 4 weeks training in windows and has been reading linux bible 2005 from wiley
[10:17] <DemonWeeping> My mother LOVES firefox :D
[10:17] <ompaul> he is happey
[10:18] <Jerub> so does my father in law.
[10:18] <flosch> hi
[10:18] <Jerub> he doesn't get billions of popups while surfing porn sites.
[10:18] <ompaul> Jerub, hahaha
[10:18] <Tuxicity> Jerub, tell him he can zoom pictures with an extension :D
[10:18] <DemonWeeping> The machine I am giving her is my older small form factor box ... Via Epia ME6000 with 256M RAM, 20G Western Digital Caviar ... hmm ... It boots quick enough
[10:19] <ompaul> mine told me about a mate of his who got windows and got a rather special dialer
[10:19] <ompaul> one of those ones that dials the south pacific :)
[10:22] <Jerub> ompaul: my father in law had that.
[10:22] <ompaul> DemonWeeping, but there is never enough room on that for all the recipes
[10:22] <Jerub> :(
[10:22] <Jerub> I can't get lirc to work.
[10:22] <jesuel> Jerub: got procmail and spamassassin workin
[10:23] <Jerub> :)
[10:23] <jesuel> still getting some spam but not as bad
[10:23] <FAST> i had audacity working last night, but now when i try to open it, i get an error "error initializing audio i/o layer"; when i go to preferences, there are no audio devices in the drop down lists to choose from
[10:23] <FAST> but audio is working fine right now
[10:23] <FAST> any idea?
[10:23] <DemonWeeping> Grandma? Cook? Hahahahaha
[10:23] <Jerub> FAST: maybe only one application can play audio at once?
[10:23] <FAST> no other applications are running audio right now
[10:24] <DemonWeeping> She used to cook ... like 15 years ago or so
[10:24] <FAST> that and i have 2 sounds cards , too
[10:24] <ompaul> I did not say cook it is a 31337 collection of recipes :)
[10:24] <DemonWeeping> Well I have to do SOMETHING for her ... I mean come on ... she has WebTV
[10:24] <jesuel> lol
[10:25] <jesuel> setup firefox + transparent privoxy proxy server for her
[10:25] <jesuel> alot less trash ;p
[10:27] <DemonWeeping> privoxy?
[10:27] <DemonWeeping> (remember I don't use Linux for workstations)
[10:28] <jesuel> its a good antispam/antibs proxy server
[10:28] <DemonWeeping> But I work for a porn^H^H^H^H web hosting company for a living
[10:28] <jesuel> quite abit like squid, but ...better:)
[10:28] <jesuel> lol
[10:29] <DemonWeeping> I will customize the hell of it and call it GrandmOS
[10:29] <jesuel> lol
[10:29] <jesuel> I got my mom using ubuntu now
[10:29] <AcidWolf> well that was a mission
[10:29] <AcidWolf> :(
[10:29] <jesuel> Course all she does is email *rarely* and webbrowsing
[10:29] <AcidWolf> moving back from hoary to Warty
[10:30] <zenrox> i told my mom if she gets a computer imm going to put linux on it just so she dont have to deal with bull crap on the inet
[10:31] <Jerub> lirc is 2.4.x only
[10:31] <Jerub> :(
[10:31] <jesuel> uhg, i swear to god. Im canceling cable.
[10:32] <jesuel> Get directv, with 0 premium stations. Never anything good on them anyhow.
[10:32] <ompaul> Ahh that is it, the tipping point is me ma don't want internet nasties so here we go.
[10:32] <jesuel> Heck, if i could just get g4tv/sci fi/adult swim. Id be set.
[10:32] <Jerub> jesuel: just buy dvds and download eps.
[10:32] <DemonWeeping> My parents are on XP Pro but only because my sister's brother-in-law works for Mickeysoft
[10:32] <jesuel> Jerub: Im seriously considering doing just that.
[10:33] <Jerub> jesuel: I don't own a TV.
[10:33] <jesuel> I doubt ill get cable @ my new house after i move.
[10:33] <jesuel> then ill have fios anyhow.
[10:33] <jesuel> mmm 30mbit download/5mbit upload
[10:34] <Jerub> jesuel: damn you.
[10:34] <EndGame> nice
[10:34] <jesuel> go go verizon ! :)
[10:34] <ompaul> DemonWeeping, tell them he needs career advice
[10:34] <DemonWeeping> Hahah ... He makes a whoooole lot more than me, and I'm decently well placed
[10:35] <Jerub> jesuel: .au is finally getting >1.5mbit ADSL
[10:35] <ompaul> DemonWeeping, working for a company with a dead business model makes him vunerable
[10:35] <jesuel> of course 30mbit down/5mbit up is 200 a month. 15 mbit down/2mbit up is 50 a month.
[10:35] <jesuel> Jerub: I currently have 1.5mbit down / 384up dsl for 21.95 a month
[10:35] <DemonWeeping> Good point
[10:36] <jesuel> DemonWeeping: what does he do for mickeysoft?
[10:36] <DemonWeeping> Well I have two Microsoft boxes at home but only because they're the best at what they do for their purpose: An XP Pro gaming box and an XP Media Center Edition 2005 box.
[10:36] <Jerub> jesuel: I pay $60 AUD (around $40 USD) for 8mbit/128kbit cable, on a 24 month contract and slowed to 64kbit/64kbit after I download more than 10gig in a calendar month.
[10:36] <jesuel> I *used* to work for them, back in 1997 to 1999. :(
[10:36] <jesuel> omg Jerub
[10:36] <jesuel> actually my traffic isnt too bad
[10:36] <DemonWeeping> "Project manager" of some sort? He's my sister's husband's brother, so the connection isn't close with him
[10:37] <jesuel> Jerub: http://yang.bounceme.net/mrtg/homeportal_7.html
[10:37] <jesuel> DemonWeeping: ahh
[10:38] <jesuel> I dont use all that much bandwith myself. But i have no idea how much those figures really add's up to
[10:40] <DemonWeeping> Well all the good games come out for XP and MythTV isn't as mature as XP Media Center Edition.
[10:43] <tha_gamemaster> I can't get back into gnome, something about the ICE.Authority file can't load
[10:43] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: how long ago did you run k3b?
[10:43] <tha_gamemaster>  bob um, very very recently
[10:43] <bob2> right
[10:43] <bob2> surprising!
[10:44] <bob2> now remove that file and log in again
[10:44] <tha_gamemaster> bob2: ok let me try that
[10:44] <abelli> bob2: sup ?
[10:44] <bob2> aloha.
[10:45] <gen> :)
[10:45] <tha_gamemaster> brb bob2
[10:45] <DemonWeeping> Wow ... ubuntu is lively at 3 AM
[10:45] <neijk> Ok, my Ubuntu instalations efforts are just about to begin any tips?
[10:46] <gen> netsplitttt
[10:46] <neijk> NETSPLIT
[10:46] <Amaranth> no, clone attack
[10:46] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, why does k3b do that? (thanks, it worked btw)
[10:46] <Jerub> thats not a netsplit.
[10:46] <neijk> Eh
[10:46] <neijk> Floods
[10:46] <Jerub> neijk: don't use LVM for your /
[10:47] <neijk> What?
[10:47] <Jerub> okay, don't use LVM ;)
[10:47] <neijk> Just about to instal Ubuntu my first linux system
[10:47] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: it's the way it's run
[10:47] <neijk> ok well im going to go and try it out
[10:47] <neijk> if i come back
[10:47] <neijk> everything worked
[10:47] <neijk> If not
[10:47] <neijk> Well you know the rest
[10:47] <neijk> Bye bye.
[10:48] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, I run it from a term using sudo
[10:48] <bob2> yeah
[10:48] <bob2> or maybe it's just what k3b does
[10:49] <BWGames> Is there a better way to get the gnome desktop up than X SSH forwarding and using gnome-session?
[10:51] <neijk> Why isnt it prompting me to instal linux when i restart damn it!
[10:51] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, well thanks again! ^_^
[10:52] <neijk> Someone help me!
[10:52] <neijk> i just burned the ISO file to cd restarted... Nothing
[10:52] <shock> how did u burn it
[10:52] <neijk> just burned it as a data disk\
[10:53] <shock> ok - there's the problem
[10:53] <neijk> How do i burn it then?
[10:53] <bob2> you need to burn the image
[10:53] <bob2> not a cd with the image on it
[10:53] <neijk> How do you mean?
[10:53] <shock> hold on - are u on a linux box, right now?
[10:53] <neijk> No im on windows i have never had a linux OS before
[10:53] <neijk> im 12 years old
[10:53] <Jerub> neijk: when you look at the cd under windows, do you see a single file on the cd? or many/
[10:54] <neijk> im sick of microsoft and wish to make the damn conversion
[10:54] <shock> :)
[10:54] <shock> kewl
[10:54] <neijk> i see a single file
[10:54] <Jerub> neijk: do you have your parents permission to install linux?
[10:54] <kakalto> how can I tell my computer to shutdown at a certain time?
[10:54] <neijk> Jerub, I dont need permission. This is one of my 4 computers.
[10:54] <Jerub> neijk: you've burned the cd incorrectly. the single file is an 'image' of a cd.
[10:55] <Tomcat_> neijk: Using Nero to burn the CD?
[10:55] <shock> nice
[10:55] <neijk> Ok, please help me burn it properly
[10:55] <neijk> Yes, I am
[10:55] <kakalto> anyone?
[10:55] <kakalto> do I use cron
[10:55] <kakalto> ?
[10:55] <Tomcat_> neijk: The leftmost Nero menu should have an item "Burn Image"
 --- cron?
[10:55] <Jerub> kakalto: a certain time every night?
[10:55] <neijk> Ok let me look.
[10:55] <Tomcat_> neijk: After clicking that you can select the downloaded .iso file and then burn it correctly.
[10:55] <kakalto> Jerub, nah, just tonight
[10:56] <Jerub> kakalto: use 'at'
[10:56] <kakalto> at?
[10:56] <neijk> it was at the right side
[10:56] <neijk> but ya i found it thank you verry much
[10:56] <Tomcat_> Good. :)
[10:56] <neijk> Ok its burning again
[10:56] <neijk> For the 3rd time
[10:57] <Tomcat_> Well this time it should work... I do it exactly the same way.
[10:57] <neijk> I cant wait to get away from microsoft's rediculously unstable and ugly arcatecture
[10:58] <Tomcat_> Yeah same here... I'm *very* eagerly waiting for the release of Hoary, so I can switch on this machine.
[10:58] <kakalto> Jerub, I can't
[10:58] <neijk> Im not even duel booting
[10:58] <kakalto> I can't understand the man
[10:58] <neijk> im going to format
[10:58] <Tomcat_> I'll dual boot... can't lose my games. :D
[10:58] <neijk> Windows has no place in my house
[10:58] <kakalto> apart from your other 3 comps?
[10:58] <neijk> I only play starcraft.
[10:58] <neijk> And i can access that on my Bots
[10:59] <neijk> Kakalto if this goes well i will run linux on all my comps
[10:59] <neijk> there are only 2 that i use anyways
[10:59] <Goshawk> is there a way to read the boot process (even the Sxx scripts aoutput)?
[11:00] <bob2> "read the boot process"?
[11:00] <Jerub> kakalto: its easy.
[11:00] <bob2> you're looking for a log of all boot output?
[11:00] <DemonWeeping> If MythTV were mature and big gaming companies would release stuff for Linux, I'd torch my two XP boxes
[11:00] <neijk> Ok, going to try installing again.
[11:00] <kakalto> Jerub, do tell me
[11:00] <Jerub> $ at 11:30<enter>shutdown<enter><control-d>
[11:00] <Jerub> you'll probably have to 'sudo at'
[11:00] <Goshawk> bob2, yes like that
[11:00] <neijk> WISH ME LUCK
[11:00] <kakalto> Jerub, thanks
[11:01] <Goshawk> bob2, i'm trying to code something like "usermode splash"
[11:01] <bob2> Goshawk: usplash already exists, tho
[11:01] <Goshawk> and i need to read directly from init
[11:01] <Goshawk> bob2, are you sure?
[11:01] <Octavian> I installed the pre-release of hoary, and it boots to shell and I know this is a newb question, but does Hoary have a GUI yet, or just bash?
[11:01] <bob2> given how much people whine about it not being in Ubuntu, I can only assume it exists
[11:01] <bob2> Octavian: er, of course
[11:01] <bob2> Octavian: it's the same as warty
[11:02] <Goshawk> bob2, the ubuntu forum says different
[11:02] <bob2> Octavian: if X didn't get setup properly, that's a bug
[11:02] <Goshawk> btw.. there is a way to do that?
[11:02] <bob2> Goshawk: the ubuntu forums say lots of useless and incorrect things
[11:02] <bob2> Goshawk: to do what?
[11:02] <Amaranth> Goshawk: usplash exists, it just won't be in Ubuntu until hoary+1
[11:02] <defkewl> why is that bob2?
[11:02] <Goshawk> bob2, looking at dmesg i can read only kernel messages
[11:02] <Octavian> I think that is the problem, I dont thing grub installed properly
[11:02] <Goshawk> bob2, Amaranth i'm working with sladen for that
[11:03] <Goshawk> and there is nothin more than a simple proof of concepts tarball
[11:03] <Amaranth> Octavian: If grub didn't install properly then you wouldn't get to a shell.
[11:03] <bob2> right
[11:03] <Octavian> That was what I was initially worried about
[11:03] <Octavian> I installed Warty and XP pro, grub was able to duel boot them both
[11:03] <Goshawk> bob2, me and sladen have written a program that can print any kind of images on tty
[11:04] <Goshawk> but we need to read the boot process.. do you know a way to do that?
[11:04] <Octavian> but I kept getting a hang when the hopplub check happened on boot
[11:04] <DemonWeeping> Gah ... I haven't dual-booted a box in a long time.
[11:04] <bob2> Goshawk: sladen would know waaaaay more than I
[11:04] <Goshawk> bob2, it is away now
[11:04] <Octavian> I thought it was ipw2200, the module for the centrino intel wifi card
[11:05] <Octavian> I blacklisted it, but it didnt seem to work
[11:05] <Octavian> so I installed Hoary in that partition
[11:05] <Octavian> it boots into shell, but that is it, there is no GUI on any of the consoles and I do not have root
[11:06] <bob2> Octavian: er, it's just like warty in that regard, too, use sudo
[11:06] <bob2> Octavian: if X isn't setup automatically, it's a bug
[11:06] <bob2> please report it if no one else has
[11:07] <Symbiote>  i have a fresh installed ubuntu but when i try to run games on it they lag like hell. when i change game settings to 565 colors its ok. what could be the problem? i tried to install fresh nvidia players but there arent any for ubuntu
[11:08] <gen> players?
[11:08] <BWGames> how do i kill gnome-session?
[11:08] <bob2> BWGames: pkill gnome-session
[11:09] <zyme> does anybody know how to tell if i am connecting through a proxy or not?
[11:09] <Tuxicity> zyme, maybe traceroute??
[11:10] <Tuxicity> zyme, but I know nothing about networking..
[11:10] <gen> zyme, can try lsof
[11:10] <zyme> ok
[11:10] <zyme> holy cow
[11:10] <zyme> what is lsof?
[11:10] <zyme> it made my computer go crazy
[11:11] <Jerub> zyme: 'list open files'
[11:11] <Tuxicity> zyme, manual says "lists open fiels"
[11:11] <Symbiote> thanks Amaranth
[11:11] <bob2> traceroute won't show proxies
[11:11] <bob2> run 'HEAD http://google.com/' after installing libwww-perl and look for headers from a proxy
[11:12] <zyme> ok
[11:12] <acolyte> ok, here's what I want to do
[11:13] <acolyte> I want to make a backup of my /home folder to either an usb stick or a CD-RW
[11:13] <acolyte> I'm on a liveCD atm but my usb stick isn't detected/mounted properly
[11:14] <shad0w1e> help! somebody! I killed my ubuntu system!
[11:14] <Jerub> acolyte: are you sure? insert the usb device and type 'dmesg'
[11:15] <Jerub> you should see it being detected and given an /dev/sd* entry
[11:15] <shad0w1e> I deleted something with mesa, looks like it took the entire KDE with it and godknows what else
[11:15] <shad0w1e> i get startx: command not found, now
[11:15] <ompaul> shad0w1e, log in using your username and password
[11:15] <shad0w1e> im in
[11:15] <shad0w1e> command prompt though
[11:15] <apocalypse_> How to use gdeskelets?
[11:15] <shad0w1e> startx is gone
[11:15] <ompaul> sudo apt-get install mesa
[11:15] <daniels> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:16] <ompaul> as he says :)
[11:16] <shad0w1e> why thank you!
[11:16] <shad0w1e> ill go do that!
[11:16] <ompaul> shad0w1e, not dead just on holidays :)
[11:16] <apocalypse_> How to use gdeskelets? I downloaded the base program + the extra package but when i run it nothing happens ...
[11:16] <acolyte> Jerub: I get alot of errors :(
[11:17] <acolyte> Jerub: sda1: rw=0, want=3, limit=2
[11:17] <acolyte> FAT: bread(block 2) in fat_access failed
[11:17] <acolyte> attempt to access beyond end of device
[11:17] <Jerub> acolyte: those arn'et errors
[11:17] <Jerub> oh, okay.
[11:17] <Jerub> crap :(
[11:17] <shad0w1e> mesa didn't work, couldn't find package. ubuntu-desktop did
[11:17] <Jerub> what about /dev/sda insead of /dev/sda1 ?
[11:17] <ompaul> s/if an/if any/
[11:18] <Tuxicity> acolyte, maybe try it with sudo?
[11:18] <bob2> apocalypse_: you need to read the instructions
[11:18] <bob2> apocalypse_: run it and then run the .display files
[11:18] <acolyte> Jerub: well, what do I have to do then to check if it's on sda?
[11:18] <Jerub> mount /dev/sda /mnt
[11:18] <Jerub> or similar.
[11:19] <apocalypse_> bob2,  sure... but where can i find instrunctions ? The faq i find in google wasnt very explanary
[11:19] <acolyte> tuxicity: will try that
[11:19] <shad0w1e> omg ubuntu-desktop is like putting everything back to defaults ???
[11:19] <shad0w1e> its putting in the old firefox...
[11:19] <Symbiote> Amaranth, it didnt help :/ i have geforce 2
[11:19] <Tuxicity> shad0w1e, dont complain, you messed up bad ;)
[11:20] <shad0w1e> if it fixes it, ill deal with having to reconfigure some stuff
[11:20] <ompaul> shad0w1e, you have not lost data just settings - it is not such a bad thing
[11:20] <shad0w1e> heh heh, yeah im an idiot
[11:20] <acolyte> Jerub: mount: you must specify the filesystem type (now I know it is vfat but how to put that in the command?)
[11:20] <shad0w1e> i was trying to get my stupid 3d card working....
[11:20] <ompaul> shad0w1e, no, you are just trying to do stuff just beyond your reach for today :)
[11:20] <shad0w1e> Im still using the internet connection off that computer
[11:20] <shad0w1e> which is the gateway
[11:21] <shad0w1e> so i know its working..
[11:21] <ompaul> shad0w1e, and that impresses the socks off you does it not?
[11:21] <shad0w1e> well no
[11:21] <shad0w1e> I killed the desktop
[11:21] <apocalypse_> shad0w1e, whats u're video card
[11:21] <Tuxicity> shad0w1e, emm, isnt a 3d card a little too much for just a gateway?
[11:21] <bob2> apocalypse_: /usr/share/doc/gdesklets/
[11:21] <shad0w1e> the kernel is aight, with the iptables and everything
[11:21] <shad0w1e> it runs my internet, and my unreal tournament!!
[11:22] <shad0w1e> its a 3dfx voodoo banshee
[11:22] <jesuel> oldschool
[11:22] <shad0w1e> i had it working, then i stupidly installed glide2x
[11:22] <shad0w1e> even though its designed for glide3x
[11:22] <shad0w1e> bec. UT doesn't support glide for 3x
[11:22] <acolyte> tuxicity: how do I specify the filesystem type with mount?
[11:22] <Tuxicity> acolyte, mount -t vfat
[11:23] <shad0w1e> long story short, i couldn't get 3d working at all after that so i decided to remove mesa which i believed was the software renderer. oh well.
[11:23] <acolyte> tuxi: and in combi with /dev/sda /mnt?
[11:23] <jesuel> hmm quake3 time. anyone up for a game if you have it?
[11:23] <Tuxicity> acolyte, sure!
[11:23] <acolyte> tuxi: but where to place it?
[11:24] <_4strO> lol
[11:24] <Tuxicity> acolyte, 2mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt"
[11:24] <_4strO> man mount
[11:24] <_4strO> mount --help
[11:24] <_4strO> ^^
[11:24] <_4strO> rtfm
[11:24] <acolyte> tuxicity: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda
[11:25] <Tuxicity> acolyte, either it's not vfat OR it's not sda (maybe sda1 or sdb?)
[11:25] <shad0w1e> mr. paul, you're a genious! I'm back up and running.... sort of
[11:25] <shad0w1e> I was about to pull back out my install CD
[11:26] <ompaul> shad0w1e, it is not genius it is just years of doing stuff like that
[11:26] <ompaul> :)
[11:26] <mete> hi
[11:26] <shad0w1e> well thank you
[11:26] <ompaul> you are welcome
[11:26] <shad0w1e> I guess now its back to getting 3d working
[11:26] <ompaul> shad0w1e, well learn what you have first :)
[11:26] <shad0w1e> funny thing: I tried ubuntu on 2 machines and it was a pain in the ass first
[11:26] <mete> I'm running the ubuntu live cd and was wonder where gcc is?
[11:27] <shad0w1e> on both
[11:27] <shad0w1e> Radeon 9800 PRO with 2 screens attached on one machine
[11:27] <ompaul> mete if you type which gcc what do you get back?
[11:27] <shad0w1e> I've given up on that one....
[11:27] <spiral> hi
[11:27] <shad0w1e> The other one is running a voodoo banshee, that one I got working, so it ought ot work again...
[11:27] <ompaul> mete and you can if you want to explore further, 'updatedb' is available to you
[11:28] <mete> nothing will be printed. with cd /, find * gcc it won't find anything
[11:28] <mete> ok, thanks! I'll check it out
[11:28] <BWGames> which is faster, XCMDP, or SSH X forwarding?
[11:28] <Tuxicity> mete, gcc is in build-essentials
[11:29] <Tuxicity> mete, i think u need to apt-get that
[11:29] <shad0w1e> ok just removed firefox beta and put back in KDE
[11:29] <Symbiote> can someone help me set up video settings for a geforce2 graphics card. the lag is killing me :/
[11:30] <mete> ok, is apt-get possible with the live cd, or do I better install ubuntu without live cd?
[11:30] <apocalypse_> aha bob2 i read that... .for example i loaded a cputemp desklet... it loaded but it doesn shows my cpu temp only a ? over a cpu chip... how to fix that/
[11:31] <bob2> then you need to find instructions on how to setup lm_sensors
[11:31] <bob2> or acpi
[11:31] <shad0w1e> question: when I installed "ubuntu-desktop" - that restored the desktop to default settings
[11:31] <shad0w1e> ?
[11:31] <bob2> or whatever the applet uses to find the temperature
[11:31] <bob2> shad0w1e: no
[11:31] <Tuxicity> mete, if you're going to compile stuff, I would install on HD
[11:31] <shad0w1e> Because when I took out firefox beta, it removed "ubuntu-desktop" as if I had changed the default preset of installed apps
[11:32] <shad0w1e> and it was no longer the "ubuntu-desktop" but some custom thing
[11:32] <daniels> well, that's correct ... if you remove the 'firefox' package, you no longer have firefox
[11:32] <bob2> shad0w1e: it installs the default set of applications, yes
[11:32] <daniels> which means that you no longer have a complete ubuntu desktop
[11:32] <bob2> it doesn't change any personal settings
[11:32] <shad0w1e> I think I got it
[11:33] <shad0w1e> I'm still amazed that one command fixed everything, but I'm not complaning!
[11:33] <Zenith-> Have anyone else had problems installing msttcorefonts_1.2_all.deb in Hoary?
[11:33] <mete> ok, thank you very much! I'm going to install it, I have a free partition left.
[11:34] <shad0w1e> anyone in this room know how to get libglide2 working on a banshee card (it needs old drivers not in the repos. , that's foresure)
[11:36] <shad0w1e> as the newer libglide2 doesnt support the card, you are told to use libglide3
[11:37] <apocalypse_> apocalypse@host18:~ $ glxgears
[11:37] <apocalypse_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:37] <apocalypse_> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[11:37] <apocalypse_> what would this mean?
[11:38] <bob2> that you don't have X setup to do GL
[11:39] <apocalypse_> what should i do to fix that
[11:40] <bob2> depends
[11:40] <BWGames> can someone give me a hand? regardless of which way i run gnome-session, SSH forwarding, or XDMCP, I get blank top and bottom panels, which remain blank even if i add a launcher...
[11:40] <bob2> what sort of video card is it?
[11:40] <bob2> BWGames: are you using hoary?
[11:40] <apocalypse_> bob2, Nvidia
[11:40] <BWGames> bob2: warty
[11:40] <shad0w1e> thanks guys!
[11:41] <bob2> apocalypse_: you could install the nvidia binary-only drivers if you want
[11:41] <apocalypse_> bob2,  i have dl the nvidia-glx package
[11:41] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:42] <BWGames> any ideas?
[11:46] <shad0w1e> you're not going to believe it but my 3d started working again!
[11:46] <shad0w1e> I have a feeling that I would've spent more time trying to get THAT working, than just screwing up and accidentally deleting the entire X system, and having it just work when I put it back...
[11:48] <shad0w1e> well thanks guys, you've all been a great help
[11:48] <shad0w1e> peace..
[11:48] <jesuel> oOo
[11:49] <jesuel>     Your download speed : 15031536 bps, or 14679 kbps / A 1834.9 KB/sec transfer rate. /  Your upload speed : 1837109 bps, or 1794 kbps.
[11:50] <mairu-afk> ...
[11:51] <jesuel> only wish that verizon allowed servers on this connection :(
[11:51] <mairu> lol
[11:51] <mairu> Is Array-5 good for a newbie?
[11:52] <mairu> or a previous more stable version?
[11:52] <jesuel> What are you going to be using it for.?
[11:53] <jesuel> Personally id go with warty, unless you have a really good reason for using hoary.
[11:57] <mairu> jesuel: i'm a designer. why warty?
[11:57] <ompaul> mairu, designer of ?
[11:57] <Jerub> webpages? fashion? graphics? software?
[11:57] <Jerub> ;)
[11:58] <mairu> ompaul: graphic design, 3-d, software, webpages, not fashion
[11:58] <mairu> :)
[11:59] <mairu> well?
[11:59] <mairu> Compiling response...
[11:59] <mairu> :P
[11:59] <ompaul> mairu, you see it can matter :) you should be fine with hoary, but be aware that it is in development - so stuff can and does break - if you need stable use warty if you can afford stuff falling over go for hoary for the latest and greatest thinking
[11:59] <jesuel> warty is....stable...
[11:59] <jesuel> hoary is......testing.
[11:59] <Jerub> wow.
[11:59] <Jerub> that sounds like debian.
[11:59] <Jerub> ;)
[11:59] <mairu> haha
[12:00] <mairu> latest, greatest, thinking..
[12:01] <Echylon> now what is a great p2p prog for ubuntu?
[12:01] <mairu> i think i'll use a hoary live, and a warty install ;)
[12:01] <ompaul> mariu, seems like a fair deal
[12:02] <mairu> ompaul: don't want to miss on the latest, greatest thinking you see, neither want to loose any work
[12:02] <ompaul> heheh
[12:02] <Echylo> ?
[12:02] <Zenith-> Echylo, Azureus is a great BT client. Hoary comes with "GNOME BitTorrent".
[12:02] <ompaul> Echylo, I have not idea
[12:02] <ompaul> s/not/no/
[12:03] <Echylo> well I have bittornado
[12:03] <jesuel> just avoid limewire :)
[12:03] <Echylo> but I don't have any idea where to get the torrents lately
[12:03] <jesuel> its crap ! :)
[12:03] <Echylo> I have amul
[12:03] <Echylo> but it's not speedy
[12:03] <Zenith-> www.piratebay.org
[12:03] <Zenith-> www.filelist.org
[12:03] <Zenith-> www.torrentbytes.net
[12:03] <Jerub> tvtorrents.com
[12:03] <mairu> jesuel: really? is limewire not good?
[12:03] <Zenith-> www.btefnet.net
[12:04] <Jerub> I use bittornado.
[12:04] <Jerub> btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado rocks
[12:04] <Echylo> eh?
[12:04] <Jerub> ompaul: RIAA only covers music.
[12:04] <mindfuse> morning everyone
[12:04] <Zenith-> If you are afraid of RIAA and MPAA use the SafePeer plugin for Azureus
[12:04] <mairu> look what happened to www.lokitorrent.com
[12:05] <Echylo> thats mpaa
[12:05] <Zenith-> Many people say lokitorrent was a hoax.. The only did it for the money
[12:05] <bob2> people say jfk is still alive, too
[12:05] <Zenith-> They were not shut down by MPAA. The only said so to get donations
[12:05] <Echylo> elvis lives?
[12:06] <mindfuse> There seem to be probs with the warty-backport upgrades from repository http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net  . Anyone know wots goin on?
[12:06] <Jerub> tvtorents.com is great if you're non-american and want to watch TV shows in the correct order, without taping 11pm tuesday night TV.
[12:06] <Echylo> neh
[12:06] <Echylo> I hate torrent sites where you need login & pass
[12:06] <Zenith-> To bad those are the best ones...
[12:06] <Echylo> not that safe
[12:07] <Jerub> the 'free' ones usually have much lower quality torrents. fewer seeds, people killing the client as soon as its downloaded, etc.
[12:07] <Jerub> thats my experience, anyway.
[12:07] <Echylo> suprnova
[12:07] <Echylo> was free
[12:07] <Echylo> and pretty good
[12:07] <ompaul> Jerub, you could torrent warty or hoary :)
[12:07] <Jerub> Echylo: Many of the trackers were down or overloaded ;)
[12:08] <Echylo> k
[12:08] <Jerub> ompaul: yeah, but I can get it at 800kb/sec from my ISP's filemirror
[12:08] <Echylo> now my current torrent
[12:08] <Zenith-> I disagree... SuprNova never had many real scene releases, like Torrentbytes does
[12:08] <Echylo> is speeding up
[12:08] <Echylo> @ 34kbs
[12:08] <Zenith-> Torrentbytes have all new scene releases in proper RAR archives.. The way it's ment to be =)
[12:08] <Jerub> tvtorrents, the day the show is released, usually gave me >400kb/sec.
[12:09] <ompaul> Jerub, nice isp
[12:09] <Jerub> ompaul: 10mbit/128kbit 10gig cap.
[12:09] <ompaul> Jerub, at work my isp is heanet.ie :)
[12:10] <Jerub> ompaul: it has its downs and its ups. ;)
[12:10] <jesuel> hrm
[12:10] <jesuel> so torrentbytes is good and tvtorrents?
[12:10] <Zenith-> Torrentbytes, tvtorrents and btefnet are the best..
[12:11] <Zenith-> Piratebay got all sorts of files, but a lot i crap..
[12:11] <Zenith-> lot is..
[12:14] <Echylo> "rejected by tracker port 6884 is blacklisted
[12:14] <Echylo> and what does that mean?
[12:14] <Zenith-> What client are you using..
[12:14] <Zenith-> ?
[12:15] <Echylo> bittornado
[12:15] <Zenith-> Go to the configuration and change your port range to something like: 50000-51000
[12:15] <Echylo> do I need to configure my router for that?
[12:16] <Zenith-> Did you configure your router for port 6884?
[12:16] <Echylo> yeh
[12:16] <Echylo> I opened 6883-6888
[12:16] <Echylo> or isn't that necessary
[12:16] <Zenith-> Then yes.
[12:16] <jesuel> hmm seriously pondering getting rid of cable and just using my mythtv box to play these files from torrent sites ...
[12:16] <Zenith-> Do the same, just use a higher port range...
[12:17] <Zenith-> What site are you using? Torrentbytes?
[12:18] <Echylo> filemp3.org
[12:19] <Echylo> how many ports has there to be open minimum?
[12:19] <Zenith-> There is no minimum... But you should use.. maby 10
[12:20] <Zenith-> E mean.. Maximum 10
[12:20] <Zenith-> sry..
[12:21] <Echylo> lol
[12:21] <Zenith-> Max 10 ports, in the range of 49152-65535
[12:21] <Zenith-> Sorry for that =)
[12:21] <Echylo> lol np
[12:22] <vixus> Little help? Nvu's not working on me, and I'm shocked. Linux never failed me before.
[12:24] <vixus> please?
[12:25] <jesuel> http://www.rackmountpro.com/productpage.php?prodid=2079
[12:25] <jesuel> omg, i want that for video storage :)
[12:25] <Tuxicity> vixus, NVU installation is explained on ubuntuguide.org
[12:25] <jesuel> put 40x 400gb sata hd's in there :)
[12:25] <Tuxicity> vixus, though i havent tried
[12:25] <vixus> I followed that guide
[12:26] <vixus> nvu installed, i start it up... it asks to choose a profile, I click Start Nvu... doesn't start.
[12:26] <Echylo> well I opened 49152-49157
[12:26] <Echylo> Zenith-,  ^
[12:29] <Zenith-> Yes
[12:29] <spiral> hi again
[12:30] <Zenith-> Echylo, did yo get it working?
[12:30] <Echylo> not yet
[12:30] <Echylo> first finishing my download
[12:30] <Echylo> 3 min lef
[12:31] <Zenith-> =)
[12:33] <Echylo> yeh it works thanks Zenith
[12:33] <Zenith-> np :p
[12:34] <Echylo> wooow
[12:34] <Echylo> great
[12:34] <Echylo> at 34kbs within 2 secs :p
[12:34] <Echylo> if you were a girl I would kiss you
[12:34] <Echylo> :p
[12:35] <Zenith-> Very often you get max speed at the sites where you need to register.. There are always a lot of seeders there.. And sry for that I'm not a girl :p
[12:35] <Echylo> ;)
[12:38] <jba> hey guys is it safe to update the kernel on hoary yet, or is it still gona cause issues with inotify
[12:38] <Zenith-> I'm having trouble installing msttcorefonts.. when i use apt-get i get this:
[12:38] <Zenith-> --12:37:15--  http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
[12:38] <Zenith->            => `./andale32.exe'
[12:38] <Zenith-> Lser belnet.dl.sourceforge.net...193.190.198.97
[12:39] <Zenith-> Should I be getting this? After a while i get timed out..
[12:40] <jba> anyone ?
[12:42] <Pointwood> what cd burning app do you recommend?
[12:42] <Zenith-> k3b
[12:43] <Pointwood> so, there's no good Gnome burning software yet?
[12:43] <ompaul> jba, no idea, however unless you really need new functionality or are a developer you should not go around upgrading kernels for the sake of it, and that would be imho :)
[12:43] <Tuxicity> Pointwood, except for audio CDs, Nautilus is good
[12:44] <Pointwood> k
[12:45] <Tuxicity> Pointwood, and there's more info on the wiki
[12:45] <Echylo> Zenith-, try another host?
[12:45] <Echylo> *mirror
[12:46] <Zenith-> I'm not choosing the host..
[12:47] <Zenith-> I'm running Hoary.. Could that be the problem?
[12:48] <napsy> Hello. I installed ubuntu warty with x.org. The problem is I don't have these pretty fonts. How can I beautify the fonts?
[12:48] <Zenith-> U mean the msttcorefonts?
[12:48] <napsy> i have bistream
[12:49] <napsy> and msttcorefonts are installed
[12:49] <Zenith-> There's a post in the ubuntuforums about "beutifying" fonts
[12:49] <napsy> just the fonts look bold
[12:49] <napsy> ok
[12:51] <HavoK> hi there; there is a way starting hotplug before networking (at boot)?
[12:52] <Jerub> HavoK: you should be able to do it by playing with update-rc.d or editing the symlinks manually.
[12:52] <HavoK> ok, I'll give it a try; thanks!
[12:53] <Jerub> HavoK: /etc/rcX.d/ scripts are executed in alphabetcal order, thats why its like 'S20inetd' and 'S99fetchmail'
[12:53] <Jerub> because you want inetd running before fetchmail.
[12:53] <HavoK> Jerub: yes, but i can't find any hotplug's symlink
[12:54] <HavoK> (the default runlevel is 2, isn't it?)
[12:54] <Jerub> no, 5 I think.
[12:54] <jdub> it's 2
[12:54] <Jerub> hmm, it is too ;)
[12:55] <HavoK> hmm i can't find *hotplug* in /etc/rc2.d ...
[12:55] <Jerub> I see hotplug in runlevel 0 6 and 5
[12:55] <Jerub> oh, not 5, S
[12:56] <HavoK> just a minute (man update-rc.d)
[12:56] <Echylo> how you install x.org for warty?
[12:56] <Echylo> is there a guide for it?
[12:57] <Jerub> Echylo: you upgrade to hoary.
[12:57] <HavoK> Echylo: no xorg for warty
[12:58] <HavoK> Jerub: I have to create a symlink to networking and hotplug, i think
[12:58] <Echylo> aargh
[12:59] <vixus> hi
[12:59] <Echylo> that's not kewl
[12:59] <vixus> how do I make a program (Nvu) that has to be run as root runnable by a normal user?
[12:59] <HavoK> I don't get why hotplug starts even if it is not in /etc/rc[2-5] .d ...
[12:59] <HavoK> vixus: you can try using sudo
[12:59] <Jerub> vixus: chown root program; chmod 4755 program
[01:00] <HavoK> (if you REALLY need to use nvu as root)
[01:00] <Jerub> HavoK: because its in S
[01:00] <vixus> thanks Jerub
[01:00] <Jerub> HavoK: 'S' == 'entering runlevel 1'
[01:01] <HavoK> Jerub: ok =)
[01:01] <HavoK> thanks =)
[01:01] <vixus> Jerub: Nvu still comes up with choose profile dialog then does nothing.
[01:01] <vixus> Jerub: however, when run as root, it works fine.
[01:02] <Jerub> when I did a dist-upgrade to hoary, I lost the funkylooking cursors that were the default in warty.
[01:02] <Jerub> how do I get them back?
[01:02] <Jerub> vixus: that sounds like a problem with $HOME, etc.
[01:02] <jdub> Jerub: it's a bug, will be fixed before release
[01:02] <Jerub> vixus: the chmod thing should allow you to run it as a root user.
[01:02] <Jerub> what is nvu anyway?
[01:02] <Echylo> when I did a hoary upgrade
[01:02] <Echylo> it was broken
[01:03] <vixus> that web editing thing
[01:03] <vixus> Jerub: So I HAVE to use sudo?
[01:03] <Jerub> vixus: probably.
[01:03] <vixus> dammit
[01:03] <vixus> can I tell the launcher to run as root?
[01:05] <Tuxicity> vixus, perhaps like this "gksudo nvu" or sometin
[01:06] <vixus> gksudo?
[01:06] <vixus> gksudo?
[01:08] <Tuxicity> vixus, change the command for the launcher. gksudo is the graphical sudo i think
[01:08] <vixus> yes it worked, thanks!
[01:09] <Tuxicity> vixus, ur welcome
[01:10] <ompaul> when I click on it from wiki it says not logged in  :)
[01:11] <ompaul> it should carrr
[01:11] <ompaul> oopws
[01:11] <ompaul> the login should carry from one part to the other I think
[01:11] <ompaul> anyway I will leave it till l8r cheers ya all
[01:12] <ompaul> just logged in cheers
[01:12] <BWGames> Is MythTV as good as its made out to be? Is there anything better on Linux?
[01:13] <Echylo> hoi
[01:13] <Echylo> I'm in hoary now, but when I try to start up gnome it freezes
[01:14] <vixus> Anyone wanna help me get HL2 working on Ubuntu?
[01:14] <Echylo> anyone knows a solution?
[01:14] <jdub> Echylo: upgrade to the latest kernel, or boot with 'noinotify'
[01:14] <BWGames> vixus: try Cedega www.transgaming.com
[01:14] <linuxboy> whats a good cpu temprature monitor for ubuntu?
[01:14] <Echylo> ok lets see
[01:15] <Tuxicity> BWGames, no, isnt HL2 linux native?
[01:15] <daniels> Tuxicity: no, it's not
[01:15] <vixus> BWGames: Can I make it run off my windows partition?
[01:15] <Tuxicity> daniels, oops, I thought it was like doom3
[01:15] <Echylo> ok now it worked, I booted with newest kernel
[01:15] <BWGames> vixus: AFAIK No, http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Half_Life_2 has info on using it
[01:16] <daniels> Tuxicity: nope, hl2 hasn't been native, ever
[01:16] <vixus> BWGames: Damn
[01:16] <daniels> or anything to do with hl
[01:17] <vixus> cedega isn't free..
[01:19] <BWGames> vixus: no, but its well worht it
[01:20] <vixus> BWGames, I'll just have to stick to Wintendo for now then
[01:22] <Echylo> yay running hoary
[01:22] <Cam-> its good eh
[01:22] <Cam-> ;-)
[01:23] <Echylo> ;)
[01:23] <Cam-> especially the nice update-manager
[01:23] <HavoK> Jerub: thanks, it's ok now
[01:23] <vixus> hey, is there a vamos binary for ubuntu?
[01:23] <Cam-> i hate how synaptic is still broken for me tho
[01:23] <Frafraxy> hi all
[01:23] <HavoK> i used a "workaround", too
[01:23] <Cam-> but i cbf bugzilla'ring it because its probably already there
[01:23] <Frafraxy> i use ubuntu hoary
[01:23] <Frafraxy> when i try to open nautilus applications:///Internet
[01:23] <Frafraxy> it does an error
[01:23] <HavoK> beacuse my wifi card doesn't start easily and i've to start networking twice
[01:24] <Cam-> HavoK: for me to get it started i need to first modprobe ndiswrapper, then start up network-admin, delete the dns entry and re-add it, then initilize the wlan connection
[01:25] <Frafraxy> it it say that isn't valid
[01:25] <HavoK> Cam-: hmm, so i'm a lucky guy =P
[01:25] <Frafraxy> what i must do?
[01:25] <Jerub> when I did a dist-upgrade to hoary, I lost the funkylooking cursors that were the default in warty.
[01:25] <Jerub> any idea how to configure them in xorg?
[01:25] <HavoK> Jerub: hmmm do you use gnome?
[01:25] <Cam-> not sure, i dist-upgraded fine
[01:26] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[01:26] <Tuxicity> Jerub, im quite sure jdub answered you
[01:26] <Jerub> HavoK: no.
[01:26] <Cam-> KDE or xfce?
[01:26] <Cam-> =P
[01:26] <Jerub> Tuxicity: ooh, sorry. yes.
[01:26] <Jerub> Cam-: xfce
[01:27] <HavoK> ..and what's the answer? (it may be useful..)
[01:27] <Jerub> HavoK: its a bug
[01:27] <HavoK> ok
[01:28] <Cam-> answer: use gnome
[01:28] <Cam-> *waits for flame*
[01:28] <HavoK> lol =P
[01:29] <Jerub> Cam-: I hate gnome in ways you cannot imagine.
[01:29] <HavoK> does alsa's rc save the mixer's configuration?
[01:30] <BWGames> can i use apt-get within ubuntu, or do i have to use synaptic?
[01:30] <_4strO> u can
[01:30] <HavoK> BWGames: apt-get does work fine
[01:30] <Echylo> u can
[01:31] <Echylo> or u cannot
[01:31] <Echylo> like u wish
[01:32] <Jerub> Echylo: you mean 'may not'
[01:32] <Echylo> yes
[01:33] <BWGames> whats the difference between universe and multiverse in sources.list?
[01:34] <mary28> one question. Just installed ubuntu, but no login graph appears.It says something that "we couldn't locate a graph server"
[01:34] <mary28> so login only appears in dos command (password as well) and nothing happens after that
[01:36] <_4strO> mary28> u have a pb with your Xfree configuration
[01:37] <mary28> hmm Xfree?
[01:37] <mseney> just seen that Firefox 1.0.1 is available from Mozilla.org. How soon will a .deb upgrade package be made available for ubuntu?
[01:37] <jdub> mseney: it will be in hoary soon, because it contains particular bugfixes we want
[01:37] <apokryphos> mseney: probably not too long, but it's dirt-easy to install it manually. There's a guide on the site, too.
[01:38] <mseney> i've installed it manually in the past but would like to keep things installed by .deb
[01:38] <apokryphos> Whatever floats your boat
[01:38] <mseney> :)
[01:38] <_4strO> mary28> i'm not a specialist
[01:39] <_4strO> :/
[01:39] <mary28> ok ty :-)
[01:39] <BWGames> how do i use apt-get to install a local .deb file?
[01:39] <xantor> hello all
[01:40] <xantor> BWGames, dpkg -i <package name>.deb
[01:40] <BWGames> thanks :)
[01:40] <xantor> np :)
[01:40] <xantor> my first help on the ubuntu channel :)
[01:40] <ompaul> xantor, hello one
[01:40] <BWGames> hehe
[01:40] <BWGames> isn't apt-get/dpkg supposed to resolve dependencies automatically?
[01:41] <xantor> apt will do that, dpkg not
[01:41] <xantor> apt is an advanced frontend to dpkg
[01:41] <apokryphos> unless there's a dependency problem in apt ;-)
[01:41] <BWGames> ahh ;)
[01:41] <ompaul> advanced package too
[01:41] <xantor> indeed :)
[01:41] <ompaul> s/too/tool/
[01:41] <BWGames> trying to install xmltv, but apt-get can't find it :/
[01:41] <BWGames> so downloaded it, now it whines about depencies
[01:41] <xantor> did you enable universe repo?
[01:42] <BWGames> afaik yes, multiverse archive.ubuntu
[01:42] <BWGames> etc
[01:42] <mseney> BWGames, and sometimes when things go the wayside w/ apt-get run -> $sudo apt-get install -f
[01:43] <xantor> does anybody know when inotify will be fixed in the hoary kernel? (ubuntu 2.6.10-4-686-smp is my current kernel)
[01:43] <Jerub> maybe a dist-upgrade too
[01:43] <xantor> I really wan beagle and dashboard :D
[01:43] <jdub> xantor: it's disabled in the latest
[01:43] <xantor> I know
[01:43] <xantor> when I enable it, gnome (gamin) crashes :(
[01:44] <mseney> you are running a 2.6.10-4 , hrmm i have the 10-3. how do i get the 10-4?
[01:44] <xantor> I just apt-get it :)
[01:44] <xantor> did a search for linux
[01:44] <xantor> found image debs
[01:44] <mseney> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-3-386   Looking like the kernel on my system is specifically for my architechure
[01:45] <xantor> apt-get install ...
[01:45] <xantor> I got P4 and ubuntu installed .6.10-3-386 by default
[01:45] <mseney> i mean "not" i have a Pentium III
[01:45] <BWGames> whats the name of the firewall, firestarter?
[01:45] <mseney> BWGames, yes
[01:45] <xantor> so I upgraded to (ubuntu 2.6.10-4-686-smp
[01:46] <mseney> xantor, how do i get that w/ apt-get. like what is the name of the kernel: do i $sudo apt-get install 2.6.10-4-686 ?
[01:46] <xantor> I'll take a look, give me a min :)
[01:46] <mseney> k
[01:47] <xantor> try apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp
[01:47] <xantor> That was the one I did if I'm correct
[01:47] <xantor> wait!
[01:47] <xantor> you have P3 right?
[01:47] <xantor> don't add the -smp, that's for multiple cpu's and HT
[01:48] <xantor> apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686
[01:48] <xantor> should work for you
[01:48] <mseney> k thanks dude
[01:48] <xantor> np :)
[01:50] <BWGames> memo to self: dont try and configure firewall over a remote X connection.... ;)
[01:50] <xantor> lol :)
[01:51] <xantor> Is this were the devs hang around?
[01:53] <BWGames> i have to say, i really love ssh x forwarding... being able to run firefox as if it was on this machine but is actually on the ubuntu box rocks :)
[01:54] <xantor> BWGames, how do you do that? Do you have a link to a tutorial??
[01:55] <BWGames> xantor: i'm using windows on this machine, so it might be different for you.. basically i just got a windows X server, used putty to ssh in, enabling X forwarding in putty, typed e.g. gnome-calculator, and it appeared :)
[01:55] <xantor> sweet :D
[01:55] <BWGames> then putty crashed :|
[01:55] <xantor> hmmm :(
[01:56] <BWGames> well it works ;)
[01:57] <_4strO> BWGames> try with http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/
[01:57] <_4strO> :)
[01:57] <zzyber> Hi everyone! Im on my way to start writing a webpage for the family and i wounder if there is some kind of template i can start of with. I want the look to be as other portals with boxes etc
[01:57] <BWGames> ooh..that looks good :)
[01:57] <Sionide> zzyber, www.oswd.org
[01:58] <Sionide> you need to know a little about html/css but there are tutorials on all over the net
[01:58] <zzyber> Sionide, checking
[01:59] <xantor> anyone experience with building monodevelop on hoary?
[01:59] <mete> hi
[01:59] <zzyber> Sionide, exactly what i needed, thx
[02:00] <Sionide> no problem
[02:00] <Sionide> user "haran" makes cool designs
[02:00] <Sionide> i used to use one of his
[02:00] <Sionide> not anymore though
[02:00] <Sionide> should try and get him to make wordpress templates, they'd rock.. heh
[02:00] <Sionide> hmm
[02:00] <mete> i just installed warty
[02:01] <BWGames> looks like the box just crashed :/
[02:02] <xantor> mete, like it?
[02:03] <mete> yes, it worked the first time
[02:07] <membreya> lo there Echylo :)
[02:08] <mete> uh uh ubuntu
[02:08] <mete> where do i change the kezboard lazout
[02:09] <daniels> mete: Desktop->Preferences->Keyboard
[02:09] <mete> daniels, thanks
[02:10] <membreya> the mighty daniels is awake :)
[02:10] <MindZEye> Does anyone know how I can stop Konqueror from using GEdit to view HTML when I click on "View Document Source" in the context menu of a web page?
[02:11] <JDigital_> but gedit is awesome
[02:11] <MindZEye> That's not the point.
[02:12] <MindZEye> It's been puzzling me as there doesn't seem to be an option anywhere.
[02:12] <stuNNed> set your editor to be something else
[02:13] <stuNNed> under 'prefered applications'
[02:14] <mete> how can I list all available (unmounted) disks /partitions
[02:14] <MindZEye> I found it, in the file associations you have to change the editor for "plain".
[02:15] <Echylo> hey membreya
[02:15] <Echylo>  :)
[02:15] <stuNNed> mete: fdisk -l /dev/hdX where X is your drive
[02:16] <Cam-> why doesnt my update manager appear in my panel anymore
[02:16] <Cam-> im upset
[02:16] <Cam-> :(
[02:17] <stuNNed> because Hoary is still unstable?
[02:17] <Sionide> zzyber, any luck?
[02:18] <Cam-> thanks stunned
[02:19] <Cam-> you were helpful
[02:19] <Cam-> i mean, i upgraded to unstable hoary without knowing that what would come out of the end
[02:19] <Cam-> would be unstable
[02:19] <Echylo> just upgrade
[02:19] <Echylo> and boot with the newest kernel
[02:19] <Echylo> otherwise gnome freezes
[02:19] <Echylo> (it does here)
[02:19] <ups> Cam-: update-manager will now appear if you have updates available
[02:20] <ups> Cam-: otherwise it runs in the background, but doesn't show up in the panel until there are updates
[02:20] <BWGames> should archive.ubuntu.com have xmltv?
[02:20] <mete> thanks
[02:21] <BWGames> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse
[02:21] <BWGames> oops
[02:21] <BWGames> got that in sources.list but it says cant find xmltv
[02:21] <Cam-> thanks ups
[02:22] <mete> I installed ubuntu warty and have to install gcc, but I don't know the root password
[02:22] <ups> Cam-: i meant the update-notifier, not update-manager :)
[02:22] <BWGames> mete: use sudo command
[02:22] <mete> I was not asked during the ubuntu installation
[02:22] <BWGames> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/view
[02:22] <Echylo> lovely torrent
[02:22] <Echylo> 250kbs in 2minutes
[02:23] <ups> Cam-: you can check if its running by this command: ps -el|grep update-notifier
[02:24] <pam_laptop> hi
[02:24] <pam_laptop> sources.list for ubuntu warty amd 64 please?
[02:25] <BWGames> is there any way to force apt-get to download the lists again?
[02:25] <mete> cu
[02:25] <Cam-> apt-get reload
[02:25] <BWGames> apt-get update doesn't seem to get the full lists
[02:25] <Cam-> i think
[02:26] <Cam-> update
[02:26] <Cam-> =P
[02:26] <BWGames> kk ;)
[02:26] <Cam-> umm
[02:26] <Cam-> apt-get downloads any new lists
[02:26] <BWGames> mm
[02:26] <BWGames> thats what i thought
[02:26] <BWGames> but i get
[02:26] <BWGames> E: Package xmltv has no installation candidate
[02:27] <Cam-> sure you have the right repos?
[02:27] <FEL> hey, basic question, howcome there's two identical releases with the same name: warty-install-i386.iso/warty-release-install-i386.iso? Maybe they're not identical? Does it matter which one i get?
[02:27] <BWGames> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse
[02:27] <BWGames> and i can download it from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xmltv/ ...
[02:27] <Cam-> weird
[02:28] <FEL> err i meant different name.
[02:29] <Cam-> anyone here uses web publishing of calenders under evolution?
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> anyone running hoary?
[02:37] <gila> yo
[02:37] <gila> i do
[02:38] <Ed_Gein> any problems with it?
[02:38] <gila> none.
[02:38] <Ed_Gein> by any chance have you installed k3b?
[02:38] <gila> No i havent :) I dont have a burner in this machine.
[02:38] <psycho-kid> hi every1
[02:38] <Ed_Gein> ok
[02:39] <Ed_Gein> the only thing stopping me from making the complete switch is burning mp3's
[02:39] <psycho-kid> why does my ubunt tell  me i am not offerised to install anything
[02:39] <Ed_Gein> pyscho: use sudo
[02:39] <psycho-kid> im tired of not getting anywhere
[02:40] <psycho-kid> i installed linux4win
[02:40] <Ed_Gein> pyscho: sudo apt-get install *******
[02:40] <psycho-kid> i cant even run anything
[02:40] <psycho-kid> help
[02:41] <psycho-kid> sudo apt-get install then what does it do
[02:41] <gila> try running synaptic
[02:42] <gila> Might make things more clear for you psycho-kid
[02:42] <psycho-kid> how do i get all privillages on ubunto_
[02:42] <psycho-kid> what is that and where do i get it_
[02:42] <psycho-kid> my mandrake doesnt want to install
[02:43] <Xappe> Ed_Gein, graveman can burn mp3s to audio cd...
[02:44] <Ed_Gein> Xappe: bahhhh
[02:44] <gila> psycho-kid, do me a favour and read some docs on ubuntu :) I will make all things clear for you there.
[02:44] <Ed_Gein> I keep getting a dependancy hell
[02:45] <psycho-kid> what is synaptic?
[02:45] <Xappe> Ed, for installing graveman?
[02:45] <stuNNed> psycho-kid: synaptic is package manager
[02:45] <psycho-kid> MANDRAKE DOESNT RECOGNISE MY harddrives
[02:45] <psycho-kid> thanx
[02:46] <Ed_Gein> Xappe: yes
[02:46] <Jerub> Ed_Gein: apt-get dist-upgrade first
[02:46] <Ed_Gein> same problem with k3b
[02:46] <psycho-kid> hmmm
[02:47] <Jerub> Ed_Gein: it'll install lots of stuff, but it will fix up your dependancy problems.
[02:47] <Xappe> Ed_Gein, and you're using Hoary?
[02:47] <Ed_Gein> warty
[02:47] <error_29> Jerub, what's the difference exactly between dist-upgrade and just upgrade?
[02:47] <Xappe> ah, graveman is in the Hoary repos
[02:48] <SiliconViper> It seems that xmms does magic, and dies when I attempt to start it.
[02:48] <psycho-kid> how do i get get complete preiveleges on ubuntu_
[02:48] <apokryphos> error_29: I think an upgrade upgrades all your packages; while dist-upgrade upgrades all the distro packages and those directly linked to them.
[02:48] <SiliconViper> Oh, wait.... nevermind.
[02:48] <apokryphos> i.e. ubuntu-base, gnome etc
[02:48] <Ed_Gein> Xappe is k3b in hoary as well?
[02:48] <SiliconViper> It seems that launching via console gives me all the information I need to figure it out!
[02:48] <Jerub> error_29: better handling of dependncies
[02:49] <error_29> hmm, apokryphos -- you mean the dist-upgrade just works on the packages marked "supported" in synaptic, for example?
[02:49] <psycho-kid> yawn
[02:49] <error_29> thanks guys
[02:49] <Xappe> Ed_Gein, yes
[02:49] <Jerub> error_29: upgrade upgrades all packages to the latest version, dist-upgrade messes with dependancies. with just upgrade you'll see lots of packages held back for some reason.
[02:50] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, 'upgrade' upgrades packages that have no new dependancies. 'dist-upgrade' upgrades everything, even if it requires removing some packages due to conflicts, or pulling new deps.
[02:50] <Ed_Gein> Xappe: things are woking so well I'm afraid that an upgrade to hoary will break things
[02:50] <SiliconViper> er... that should have been directed at error_29, my apologies.
[02:50] <SiliconViper> Ed_Gein, then don't convert to hoary?
[02:51] <Xappe> Ed_Gein, well, then you should wait
[02:51] <apokryphos> SiliconViper: Hm, right; I still don't think that a dist-upgrade updates everything. Are you saying that, say, doing a dist-upgrade will upgrade my kde packages (presuming they have no new dependencies)?
[02:51] <Xappe> Ed_Gein, but k3b should be in the warty repos as well?
[02:51] <apokryphos> I could be wrong; haven't paid attention to it specifically.
[02:52] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, dist-upgrade will upgrade the packages even if they have new dependancies. upgrade will not.
[02:52] <Cam-> hi guys i want to mirror the packages for only x86
[02:52] <Cam-> how can i do this?
[02:52] <Cam-> hoary
[02:52] <apokryphos> SiliconViper: Ok, interesting; thanks.
[02:52] <Ed_Gein> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:52] <Ed_Gein>   k3b: Depends: k3blibs (>= 0.11.12) but it is not going to be installed
[02:52] <Ed_Gein>        Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.2.3) but it is not going to be installed
[02:52] <Ed_Gein>        Depends: kdebase-bin but it is not going to be installed
[02:52] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, however, sometimes packages are not able to install, based on conflicts. dist-upgrade won't fix that.
[02:53] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, in such cases, specifying the package manually will usually generate a descriptive error that should explain the problem.
[02:53] <jdub> Cam-: use debmirror
[02:53] <apokryphos> right
[02:53] <SiliconViper> if python-twisted is being held back, apt-get install python-twisted, should show you why.
[02:53] <SiliconViper> Either that, or it will install it ;p
[02:54] <error_29> this is great info, SiliconViper , thanks
[02:54] <SiliconViper> error_29, no worries. Always glad to offer what little I know.
[02:55] <mete> ok, the gcc is working now
[02:55] <SiliconViper> s/offer/share/
[02:55] <apokryphos> SiliconViper: are you having problems with installing some python things?
[02:55] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, oh no. Just using it as an example.
[02:55] <mete> how do I install the GTK 2.0 libs
[02:55] <SiliconViper> It was the first package to pop into my head. ;p
[02:55] <SiliconViper> mete, sudo apt-get install libgtk2 ?
[02:55] <apokryphos> SiliconViper: Right; does python-kde install for y ou?
[02:55] <mete> ah, thanks!
[02:56] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, I don't know, I don't use KDE. ;p
[02:56] <mete> how can I find out, which package has which libs, etc...?
[02:56] <p-fox> hi all. how on earth do I save an image scanned in Xsane?
[02:56] <p-fox> i dont see any way of saving my scan.
[02:56] <SiliconViper> mete, you mean a dependancy chart or something?
[02:57] <apokryphos> SiliconViper: sure, but it seems to be a python dependency problem; not kde. That was but an example.
[02:57] <mete> yes, for example.
[02:57] <mete> so that I know, which package I have to apt-get
[02:57] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, I'd test it, but I don't want to pull the kdelibs.
[02:58] <p-fox> anyone?
[02:58] <apokryphos> SiliconViper: You shouldn't have to. It should calculate *all* the dependencies, in which case you'll get an error
[02:58] <SiliconViper> mete, usually, it's easy to tell. If you need libs for compiling, or writing code, look for... lib<libname>-dev
[02:58] <SiliconViper> Otherwise, just lib<libname>
[02:58] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, I'll try it.
[02:58] <apokryphos> right
[02:58] <mete> ok, thanks a lot, SiliconViper!
[02:59] <SiliconViper> python-kde3
[02:59] <apokryphos> SiliconViper: yup; either that or plain python-kde
[02:59] <SiliconViper> There is no python-kde
[02:59] <SiliconViper> Just python-kde3
[02:59] <SiliconViper> Well, that I can see. ;p
[03:00] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, try to install python2.3 first.
[03:00] <SiliconViper> That should solve it.
[03:01] <apokryphos> SiliconViper: Sorry, my mistake. Yeah, there is another python2.3-kde3
[03:01] <apokryphos> will try that
[03:01] <p-fox> anybody know how I save an image scanned in Xsane, please?
[03:01] <SiliconViper> apokryphos, no... not that.
[03:01] <SiliconViper> 'apt-get install python2.3'
[03:01] <SiliconViper> Then.
[03:01] <SiliconViper> 'apt-get install python-kde3'
[03:01] <apokryphos> yup yup
[03:01] <SiliconViper> Not python2.3-kde3
[03:02] <apokryphos> Yeah; I have python2.3
[03:02] <SiliconViper> Ah, I don't.
[03:02] <SiliconViper> So I can't really help you more than that, our systems are different. ;p
[03:02] <BWGames> Package freetype is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:02] <apokryphos> error message seems really odd: http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng
[03:02] <BWGames> keep getting that when installing stuff via apt-get :( any ideas?
[03:02] <Cam-> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[03:02] <Cam-> Won't mirror without dists/hoary/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1174.
[03:02] <Cam-> releasing 1 pending lock... at /usr/lib/perl5/LockFile/Simple.pm line 182.
[03:02] <apokryphos> whoops
[03:02] <apokryphos> heh
[03:02] <apokryphos> wrong link
[03:02] <apokryphos> python-kde3: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[03:03] <SiliconViper> Yeah, same error.
[03:03] <Cam-> thats on "debmirror /home/cam/mirror -h archive.ubuntu.com -r /ubuntu -d hoary -a i386"
[03:03] <SiliconViper> I couldn't really suggest more than that, sorry.
[03:04] <apokryphos> No worries
[03:05] <SiRrUs> good morning boys
[03:07] <Cam-> why am i getting a gpg error
[03:07] <Cam-> when trying to sync from the ubuntu archives?
[03:07] <BWGames> is a dist-upgrade a good idea with a new warty install?
[03:10] <SiRrUs> BWGames i use dist-upgrade
[03:10] <BWGames> it upgrades to hoary beta afaik?
[03:11] <Dr_Acemaster> so what purpose does su serve w/ ubuntu?
[03:11] <error_29> dist-upgrade is what Synaptic calls "smart upgrade", for what it's worth
[03:11] <apokryphos> BWGames: Nope, not without changing your sources
[03:13] <BWGames> ok, so i definitely wont install Hoary? ;)
[03:14] <apokryphos> BWGames: Yes, if your sources.list specifies warty locations
[03:14] <BWGames> apokryphos: afaik it doesnt, thanks :)
[03:14] <SiRrUs> Dr_Acemaster on mine it gives me root access but sudo works as well
[03:14] <Dr_Acemaster> SiRrUs: I thought there wasn't root on ubuntu
[03:15] <SiRrUs> Dr_Acemaster mr default nope
[03:15] <SiRrUs> oops mr =by
[03:15] <Dr_Acemaster> ok how do you enable it?
[03:15] <jdub> Dr_Acemaster: don't bother enalbing it unless you have a very specific reason to do so
[03:15] <jdub> read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:15] <Dr_Acemaster> jdub: cool I'll read taht thanks
[03:15] <jdub> su does more than just log you in as root - read the man page
[03:16] <Dr_Acemaster> while I ahve your attention, Im' trying to install a new screensaver
[03:16] <Dr_Acemaster> and I downloaded the tar, and extracted
[03:16] <Dr_Acemaster> but not sure what to do next
[03:16] <Dr_Acemaster> i see makefile, but it's not executable
[03:17] <artemis3> no matter what i do, i can't change screen resolution (stuck at 640x480@60hz). this is a warty/gnome? problem. Knoppix has no problem using higher res.
[03:17] <Vjaz> artemis3: did you select other resolutions during the install?
[03:18] <artemis3> install never asks other resolutions.
[03:18] <Vjaz> hm, ok
[03:18] <xantor> hy all
[03:18] <SiRrUs> hello
[03:18] <mete> I run with 1680x1050
[03:18] <artemis3> must be a problem with this chipset i guess...
[03:19] <artemis3> i know i can use higher res in another machine
[03:19] <artemis3> but with another distro it works
[03:19] <artemis3> on this machine...
[03:21] <SiliconViper> Herm... this package scares me.
[03:21] <artemis3> changed xf86config-4.. nothing xf86config, nothing, dpkg reconfigure xfree thingie, never asks screen res...
[03:21] <Xappe> artemis3, i had that problem I think...solved with adding  Option		"DDCMode"	"on"
[03:21] <SiliconViper> kernel-image-2.6.11-rc4-nitro1-x1-686
[03:21] <artemis3> hmm
[03:21] <artemis3> lets see
[03:21] <artemis3> which section?
[03:21] <Xappe> artemis3, under the "device" section
[03:22] <artemis3> ok
[03:22] <Xappe> i'm using xorg, but I think it applies to xfree86 too
[03:22] <Xappe> ati
[03:22] <Xappe> but i would try it :)
[03:22] <artemis3> i was to move into hoary
[03:22] <xantor> Are there any developpers here?
[03:23] <Zenith|AW> Could someone here using Hoary please try to instal the msttcorefonts package. I cant get it to work, and it looks like the server is down..
[03:23] <mete> i'm trying to compile wxWidgets 2.5.3 with gtk
[03:24] <artemis3> ok lets see what happens... c ya later
[03:24] <Parallax_> how can i use the webcam in msn messenger ???
[03:25] <SiRrUs> Zenith|AW All done, no errors.
[03:25] <SiRrUs> All fonts downloaded and installed.
[03:25] <xantor> Parallax_, don't think you can
[03:25] <Parallax_> mmmm, what about wine installing msn messenger ???
[03:25] <Cam-> argh
[03:26] <Zenith|AW> SiRrUs, damn...Did it connect to: http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
[03:26] <Zenith|AW>            => `./andale32.exe'
[03:26] <Zenith|AW> ?
[03:26] <Cam-> why wont debmirror mirror
[03:26] <Cam-> without the gpg key
[03:26] <zenwhen> Hoary is currently really sucking with dialup. The new PPP packages are a worthless unusable mess.
[03:26] <Cam-> and how can i add it
[03:26] <occy> Anyone here know of some sort of Point of Sales package that ties in with OSCommerce?
[03:26] <xantor> Parallax_, could work but I doubt it. messenger is very deeply stuck into win
[03:26] <SiRrUs> Zenith|AW no idea but synaptic installed them all
[03:26] <artemis3> didn't work...
[03:26] <Parallax_> damn
[03:27] <Xappe> artemis3, hmm, too bad :/
[03:27] <Parallax_> and what about yahoo woth webcam??
[03:27] <Zenith|AW> SiRrUs, ok, thanx for checking it.. Could I get your source.list?
[03:27] <xantor> Never used Yahoo :)
[03:27] <artemis3> im suspecting this pos via integrated chipset and old xfree 4.3 has some issue...
[03:28] <Parallax_> ok ,tyhanks
[03:29] <Cam-> can anyone help
[03:29] <Cam-> with my gpg prob?
[03:30] <pam_laptop> sources.list for ubuntu AMD64 please?
[03:31] <Cam-> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[03:32] <pam_laptop> help me
[03:34] <AngryClip> how do I tell ubuntu which soundcard to use?
[03:34] <AngryClip> it detects my USB soundblaster Live! 24-bit thingy, but still uses my laptops internal one
[03:34] <mete> did anyone successfully compile wxWidgets with gtk?
[03:37] <SiRrUs> pam_laptop take a look here www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:39] <pam_laptop> SiRrUs, as one amd64?
[03:40] <Cam-> meh i give up
[03:40] <Cam-> i found out how to receive the key
[03:40] <Cam-> now its giving me another error
[03:40] <chrissturm> hey! when i install libraries from source, they end up in /usr/local/lib . what do i need to configure to make the linker search that path too?
[03:42] <chrissturm> i was always just using ./configure --prefix=/usr , but i think its wrong to do it that way, because i think stuff that i compile myself needs to be put into /usr/local
[03:45] <IrIT> Hi
[03:46] <SiRrUs> hello
[03:46] <stuNNed> hi IrIT
[03:46] <IrIT> I've a problem with a HomePage. If you aren't using IE you wont be able to see it
[03:46] <IrIT> Now, it have got me pissed
[03:46] <stuNNed> did you create it with ms frontpage?
[03:47] <IrIT> it isn't mone
[03:47] <IrIT> *mine
[03:47] <IrIT> www.osterbrohuset.dk
[03:47] <stuNNed> ok
[03:47] <IrIT> It's in danish though
[03:47] <Zenith-> Try setting your browser to be recognized as IE
[03:47] <stuNNed> IrIT: very very lame.
[03:47] <IrIT> But the page you're getting redirected to, is saying that you should only use IE to view the page
[03:48] <SiRrUs> Zenith- how is that done
[03:48] <stuNNed> IrIT: you can get your browser to lie and say it's IE, that might work
[03:48] <IrIT> how?
[03:48] <IrIT> I want to get in, and send a mail to the webmaster
[03:48] <stuNNed> IrIT: i know it's a checkbox in Opera, dunno about Mozilla browsers but i can be done.
[03:48] <stuNNed> it*
[03:48] <Zenith-> What browser are you using?
[03:48] <IrIT> ok
[03:48] <IrIT> Firefox
[03:49] <IrIT> can something similar be done with Firefox. E.g. with a extension
[03:49] <Zenith-> I cant find this function in Firefox, but Opera has this nice function
[03:49] <Zenith-> Try installing Opera =)
[03:49] <IrIT> then, i'm going to get Opera
[03:50] <stuNNed> IrIT: try in moz firefox about:config but be careful
[03:50] <stuNNed> IrIT: in the url field
[03:50] <IrIT> yeah, i've been looking there. But first, i'll try with Opera
[03:51] <mijenix> how I can remove openoffice? I can't handle it with dselect
[03:51] <_4strO> IrIT> don't visit website like this
[03:51] <_4strO> they have to do website for everybody
[03:52] <Zenith-> mijenix, apt-get remove openoffice, maby..
[03:52] <_4strO> not for only IE users
[03:52] <_4strO> ^^
[03:52] <IrIT> I'm not. It's was a friend of my who told me it. And now i want to send a mail to the webmaster and insult him
[03:52] <_4strO> ^^
[03:52] <_4strO> oki
[03:54] <karim> what is the session manager that is run at the begining of a gnome session ?
[03:54] <Rattboi> gdm?
[03:54] <Xappe> karim, you mean gdm?
[03:54] <mijenix> Zenith-, Package openoffice is not installed
[03:55] <karim> Xappe, no
[03:55] <mijenix> Zenith-, it says that can't be it's installed
[03:55] <IrIT> Now! I got in:D
[03:55] <IrIT> using: https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&category=Developer%20Tools&numpg=10&id=59
[03:55] <karim> Xappe, when you open a gnome session the bootsplash speaks about a session manager
[03:57] <Zenith-> mijenix, apt-get remove openoffice.org, maby
[04:01] <mijenix> is it right umbuntu is a sarge satble disro based on debian
[04:02] <stuNNed> more like patched SID
[04:02] <HcE> mijenix: AFAIK it's based on a snapshot of Sid from summer 2004
[04:02] <mijenix> HcE, but I don't know the reason about that distro?
[04:03] <HcE> mijenix: Debian Unstable = Sid
[04:03] <mijenix> HcE, but why ubuntu isn't it's own distro?
[04:04] <HcE> it is, it's based on Debian package system
[04:04] <mijenix> ahh ok now I understand
[04:04] <mijenix> then the initial stand was debian sid
[04:04] <stuNNed> yes afaik
[04:05] <johaBBa> anyone have irda with cellphone working?
[04:05] <Sumexx> I just tried to install Ubuntu on my laptop, but when i try to install it the screen fades from green --> white... anyone knows what the problem is ?
[04:05] <mijenix> ok i use mainly gentoo but I try ubuntu on my VMWare
[04:06] <CaRiBoO> Hi all !
[04:06] <acolyte> how can I force Ubuntu to think my screen can support resolutions higher than 1024? I re-loggedin and all of a sudden the screen was 1024x768 while 1280x1024 is the standard
[04:06] <mijenix> I used debian befor gentoo but I don't understand the dselect and its packed system
[04:07] <HcE> mijenix: use aptitude
[04:07] <SiliconViper> stuNNed, not quite. Warty is based on Sarge. Hoary is.... far more unstable than Sid, and much more bleeding-edge.
[04:08] <CaRiBoO> I want to register a ubuntu mirror, but this e-mail adress doesn't meen exist : mirrors@canonical.com
[04:08] <SiliconViper> Actually, even that isn't quite accurate...
[04:08] <stuNNed> SiliconViper: ah ok very nice, even though if it's not quite accurate :)
[04:08] <CaRiBoO> can we help me ?
[04:08] <SiliconViper> Warty and Sarge were frozen around the same time.
[04:08] <stuNNed> mijenix: did you see what SiliconViper said? :)
[04:09] <SiliconViper> Some packages in Sarge are newer, some in Warty are newer.
[04:09] <mijenix> stuNNed, what he said?
[04:09] <stuNNed> lol
[04:09] <stuNNed> 09:12 < SiliconViper> stuNNed, not quite. Warty is based on Sarge. Hoary is.... far more unstable than Sid, and much
[04:09] <stuNNed>                       more bleeding-edge.
[04:09] <stuNNed> that :)
[04:09] <SiliconViper> And the part that was incorrect, was the 'based on sarge' part.
[04:09] <SiliconViper> To my knowledge.
[04:10] <SiliconViper> They just froze around the same time.
[04:10] <stuNNed> so at the time of freeze both warty and hoary were based on sid?
[04:10] <SiliconViper> As for Hoary, it's very much like Sid, but with more bleeding-edge, crazy stuff. (Gnome 2.9 comes to mind).
[04:10] <SiliconViper> stuNNed, NO!
[04:10] <stuNNed> ok, sheesh :)
[04:10] <SiliconViper> ;p
[04:11] <SiliconViper> Sid is Debian's bleeding-edge, Sarge is closer to what it was based on.
[04:11] <SiliconViper> Keeping in mind how the trees work.
[04:11] <Coily> why hasnt there been a sid for Fx 1.0.1 yet
[04:11] <bluefoxicy> they suck water up with big phallic shaped things and turn green?
[04:11] <stuNNed> Coily: there is afaik
[04:12] <acolyte> how can I force Ubuntu to think my screen can support resolutions higher than 1024? I re-loggedin and all of a sudden the screen was 1024x768 while 1280x1024 is the standard
[04:12] <SiliconViper> Coily, if not, make one!
[04:12] <stuNNed> bluefoxicy: :P
[04:12] <Coily> :O
[04:12] <Coily> but im a linux newbie =[
[04:12] <SiliconViper> Coily, it's actually really easy.
[04:12] <SiliconViper> Do you know how to compile?
[04:12] <Coily> i havent had to yet, but i guess its not that hard
[04:13] <acolyte> how can I force Ubuntu to think my screen can support resolutions higher than 1024? I re-loggedin and all of a sudden the screen was 1024x768 while 1280x1024 is the standard
[04:13] <SiliconViper> To make custom .deb's, just replace the last step with 'checkinstall', instead of 'make install'. (This assumes you have some stuff installed (checkinstall), among other things.
[04:13] <SiliconViper> )
[04:13] <SiliconViper> Hey acolyte, we heard you the first time.
[04:13] <Coily> hm
[04:13] <SiliconViper> I was busy helping Coily here.
[04:14] <SiliconViper> Coily, packages made like that are *NOT* release-quality.
[04:14] <SiliconViper> But they're good enough for personal use.
[04:14] <SiliconViper> They install and uninstall very smoothly with dpkg.
[04:14] <stuNNed> SiliconViper: *CRASH* it not good for personal use :D
[04:14] <stuNNed> it/is
[04:14] <SiliconViper> They don't crash.
[04:15] <pam_laptop> please sources.list for ubuntu warty AMD64?
[04:15] <pam_laptop> help me
[04:15] <SiliconViper> But they don't meet all the requirements to be accepted into the tree.
[04:15] <SiliconViper> The GPG signing is missing, and the file installation locations don't usually conform to FHS.
[04:16] <mijenix> how can I say aptitude that he can remove the package with all the deps
[04:16] <SiRrUs> pam_laptop have you gone to www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:16] <SiliconViper> And there are some other things.
[04:16] <acolyte> siliconviper: sorry, but I'm in a hurry actually.
[04:17] <pam_laptop> SiRrUs, no AMD64 ubuntuguide
[04:17] <SiliconViper> acolyte, then you may want to consider google. Getting an answer around IRC takes time.
[04:17] <SiRrUs> pam_laptop just go there add add the repos.
[04:17] <acolyte> siliconviper: I am busy searching but all the articles I find seem to be right
[04:17] <acolyte> I mean the conf files and so on
[04:17] <Coily> if there was a release would it make sense to switch over to it? or could i keep the custom install
[04:17] <Coily> ack
[04:18] <Coily> just got a random disconnect before my question could be answered
[04:18] <stuNNed> hi LinuxJones
[04:18] <Zenith-> I wanna change the language in Ubuntu. Now I have norwegian, and i wanna change it to english, is this possible without re-installing?
[04:18] <stuNNed> Zenith-: yes
[04:18] <pam_laptop> repos no for AMD64 SiRrUs
[04:18] <stuNNed> Zenith-: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:19] <Coily> just got a random disconnect before my question could be answered
[04:19] <SiliconViper> acolyte, I'd use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but if you've modified /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4, that won't work. I leave it up to you to figure out how to fix that part.
[04:19] <SiRrUs> pam_laptop afaik repos are repos
[04:19] <Coily> asking again:
[04:19] <Coily> if there was a release would it make sense to switch over to it? or could i keep the custom install
[04:20] <SiliconViper> Coily, depends, what 'release' are you referring to?
[04:20] <stuNNed> Coily: are you referring to metapackages like ubuntu-desktop?
[04:20] <Coily> like an ubuntu Fx 1.0.1 pkg
[04:20] <acolyte> siliconviper: I didn't modify the config file of X86 only looked at it
[04:20] <SiliconViper> acolyte, then it should work.
[04:20] <SiliconViper> You're welcome.
[04:21] <Zenith-> stuNNed, Then what? I get 5 choices.. aa_DJ... aa_ER and so on
[04:21] <Coily> anyone?
[04:21] <stuNNed> Zenith-: utf-8-en or something
[04:21] <stuNNed> Coily: i'm not sure what you mean, sorry.
[04:21] <TexJoachim> can anybody please help me?
[04:21] <Coily> hm
[04:22] <Pluk> hi all
[04:22] <TexJoachim> my monitor display is strange after I installed ubuntu
[04:22] <Coily> well how bout a walkthrough to installed Fx 1.0.1
[04:22] <TexJoachim> hi
[04:22] <Coily> install*
[04:22] <Pluk> damn... spam on irc :(
[04:22] <stuNNed> Coily:  on warty?
[04:22] <Zenith-> stuNNed, there's 3 utf-8's. aa_ERsaaho UTF-8, aa_ER UTF-8 and aa_ET UTF-8
[04:22] <Coily> yes
[04:22] <acolyte> siliconviper: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed
[04:23] <SiliconViper> acolyte, there you have your answer.
[04:24] <stuNNed> Zenith-: i use [*]  en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 but i'm in U.S. so ...
[04:24] <acolyte> siliconviper: and now what?
[04:24] <Coily> stuNNed, yes
[04:24] <Zenith-> stuNNed, i'm sorry... I didnt noticed that the list could be scrolled =)
[04:24] <Coily> stuNNed, on warty
[04:24] <stuNNed> Coily: have you tried, though not recommending, ubuntu backports?
[04:24] <SiliconViper> acolyte, how am I supposed to know...? Would you like me to pack your lunch and hold your hand while you cross the street too?
[04:25] <stuNNed> lol @ SiliconViper
[04:25] <msumu> hi people of the free world
[04:25] <Coily> stuNNed, what's the name of the repository?
[04:25] <stuNNed> hi msumu
[04:25] <SiliconViper> <3 @ stuNNed
[04:25] <stuNNed> Coily: google 'ubuntu backports' afaik it's on the forums
[04:26] <Coily> ill give it a shot thanks
[04:26] <acolyte> siliconviper: nah I can do that myself but I thought this was a SUPPORT channel...
[04:26] <SiliconViper> acolyte, it sure is, but there are manuals that have the answers you seek, and you haven't read them yet.
[04:26] <stuNNed> acolyte: don't mean to inject; it is but sometimes you need to RTFM a bit
[04:27] <mseney> acolyte, google is your friend :)
[04:27] <acolyte> omfg I did
[04:28] <acolyte> acolyte siliconviper: I am busy searching but all the articles I find seem to be right
[04:28] <acolyte> acolyte I mean the conf files and so on
[04:28] <SiliconViper> acolyte, try /usr/share/doc
[04:28] <SiliconViper> Maybe a 'man xfree86' or something.
[04:29] <stuNNed> acolyte: there is dpkg-reconfigure don't know if you can reconfigure x with it though, here there is dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx enable or something
[04:29] <SiliconViper> I've told you exactly what to do, if you can't figure it out...
[04:29] <mike998> there's always the forums
[04:30] <SiliconViper> stuNNed, yes, x can be reconfigured with dpkg. I told him to do that already, but he seems to have ignored it.
[04:30] <acolyte> siliconviper: I didn't ignore it, it returned that xserver wasn't configured right or broken
[04:31] <SiliconViper> acolyte, which has the problem explained in black-and-white, clear-as-day, in the message.
[04:31] <stuNNed> acolyte: what's the error?  SiliconViper: can he delete his XF86Config-4 and run it again?
[04:31] <SiliconViper> stuNNed, if he deletes it, dpkg-reconfigure will not recreate it.
[04:31] <blah09> afternoon
[04:31] <stuNNed> oh
[04:31] <SiliconViper> however, an apt-get install --reinstall would.
[04:32] <blah09> does anyone know of a good programming editor for linux?
[04:32] <stuNNed> acolyte: run that then...
[04:32] <SiliconViper> blah09, language?
[04:32] <blah09> like a fancy notepad
[04:32] <blah09> C
[04:32] <stuNNed> blah09: vim or gvim?
[04:32] <Get> sounjuicer dies for me when i try to rip cds in hoary why?
[04:32] <blah09> well lua actually
[04:32] <blah09> id like syntax highlighting
[04:32] <stuNNed> Get: what format are you ripping to?
[04:32] <SiliconViper> blah09, Scite is a nice lightweight, but if you want a full IDE, I TOTALLY recommend Anjuta,.
[04:32] <mike998> Get : try installing ripperx
[04:32] <SiliconViper> *Anjuta
[04:32] <stuNNed> blah09: you need to turn on syntax higlighting in your vimrc
[04:32] <Get> i want to rip to mp3
[04:33] <Get> have tried goobox to, same thing
[04:33] <blah09> ok thanks for your suggestions guys
[04:33] <SiliconViper> Get: I use grip.
[04:33] <mike998> ah... you will have to install the mp3 coder
[04:33] <SiliconViper> blah09, no worries! Glad to be helpful.
[04:33] <stuNNed> Get: why mp3? why not ogg or flac?
[04:33] <SiliconViper> Ogg Vorbis for win!
[04:34] <mike998> I'm guessing for an mp3 player?
[04:34] <Get> stuNNed: hmm, it takes so much disk space
[04:34] <SiliconViper> FLAC is nice too, but a bit big for my taste.
[04:34] <Get> mike998: nope
[04:34] <SiliconViper> Ogg takes less than MP3, often.
[04:34] <mike998> that's what I find as well
[04:34] <SiliconViper> I re-ripped my entire music collection, and saved ~3.5GB
[04:34] <blah09> =)
[04:34] <stuNNed> Get: only drawback of Ogg is from what i understand, it doesn't play nice on portable players that support it...
[04:34] <SiliconViper> Yep.
[04:35] <stuNNed> Get: going with flac here once get player that supports it.
[04:35] <JimSinziger> Hi!
[04:35] <SiliconViper> And it's a bit of a resource whore, I've been told.
[04:35] <SiliconViper> Hi JimSinziger.
[04:36] <Get> k, but I will only have it on my hard drive, and maybe burn some music cds
[04:36] <pam_laptop> cdrdao no repos?
[04:36] <pam_laptop> help me
[04:37] <blah09> SiliconViper, scite is great, thanks again =)
[04:37] <Get> hmm, where do I set the format in soundjuicer?
[04:37] <acolyte> other question: can I downgrade to Warty again?
[04:37] <SiliconViper> blah09, no worries. Give Anjuta a spin sometime, eh?
[04:37] <JimSinziger> Well, I tried to install Ubuntu, but the installation didn't work...
[04:37] <stuNNed> Get: in preference, doh :)
[04:37] <SiliconViper> acolyte, not without a lot of pain.
[04:37] <blah09> its more than i need, just a simple script =)
[04:37] <stuNNed> SiliconViper, acolyte: actually there is howto for that on forums, did it here, no problems
[04:37] <Get> stuNNed: nopes, don't have any options there
[04:38] <SiRrUs> pam_laptop Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs = cdrdao is in the repos
[04:38] <AngryClip> how do I tell ubuntu which soundcard to use?
[04:38] <SiliconViper> stuNNed, ah, my apologies. It seems I am wrong.
[04:38] <stuNNed> Get: using hoary?
[04:38] <AngryClip> it detects my USB soundblaster Live! 24-bit thingy, but still uses my laptops internal one
[04:38] <Get> stuNNed: yes
[04:38] <elec> how do i create a boot disk in ubuntu?
[04:38] <acolyte> I see, I found it :)
[04:39] <stuNNed> Get: it's either 'lossy' which is ogg afaik or 'lossless' which is flac
[04:39] <acolyte> well I rest my case, guess I'm gonna have to live with 1024x768 *ugh*
[04:40] <stuNNed> acolyte: 1600x1200 here :\
[04:40] <Get> stuNNed: but I can't choose format :E
[04:40] <stuNNed> Get: that is choosing teh format..
[04:40] <Get> stuNNed: nm
[04:41] <acolyte> stunned: well, which release do you use and what gfxcard manufacturer do you have?
[04:41] <stuNNed> acolyte: nvidia, hoary on desktop, warty on laptop
[04:41] <SiRrUs> acolyte when you installed were you not given the option of choosing your resolutions?
[04:41] <ohgood> Goshawk: kewl nick
[04:42] <pam_laptop> SiRrUs, apt-cache search cdrdao
[04:42] <pam_laptop> no package
[04:42] <pam_laptop> i'm spanish
[04:42] <spikboll> How do I get the live-cd to start in runlevel 3 (network, no X)?
[04:42] <pam_laptop> excuse me my inglish
[04:42] <acolyte> sirrus: no, first installed Warty, then right after that dist-upgraded to Hoary
[04:42] <SiRrUs> pam_laptop if you upgrade your repos as in www.ubuntuguide.org the package will be there
[04:43] <SiRrUs> acolyte my warty gave me the option during install
[04:43] <JimSinziger> Well, I made two partitions for Ubuntu and booted from CD. The welcome screen appeared and I can navigate through the help pages, but if I press enter or type "linux" or "expert" with or without boot parameters, two files are loaded. After that, it says "Ready.", there is a blinking cursor and nothing else happens. Alternatively, after the two files loaded, the screen is cleared and shows a blinki
[04:43] <JimSinziger> ng cursor and nothing else happens.
[04:43] <acolyte> sirrus: well on warty my resolutions were fine
[04:43] <pam_laptop> AMD 64 SiRrUs
[04:43] <pam_laptop> AMD 64
[04:44] <SiRrUs> pam_laptop update your repos
[04:44] <acolyte> sirrus: no questions at all but that didn't bother me cause they were fine
[04:44] <SiRrUs> ah ok
[04:44] <pam_laptop> for amd64 no packages marillat
[04:45] <Pluk> cdrdao is in universe for amd64
[04:46] <acolyte> sirrus: are there support probs in hoary for higher resolutions / older gfx cards / tft monitors?
[04:46] <JimSinziger> Please help me! I also tried to install mandrake, but again only two files are loaded and then nothing happens...
[04:46] <SiRrUs> acolyte not that I know of
[04:47] <LinuxJones> JimSinziger, what kind of hardware do you have ?
[04:47] <acolyte> I've had it... *sigh*
[04:47] <acolyte> enough Linux for today
[04:47] <Pluk> acolyte, post your xorg.conf here http://nopaste.biz/
[04:48] <Pluk> or XF86config-4
[04:48] <Zzed> warty live CD does not find internet, no ping to router - no help files on this troubleshooting either :(
[04:48] <acolyte> pluk: I will
[04:49] <acolyte> pluk: http://nopaste.biz/?1158
[04:49] <JimSinziger> LinuxJones: Athlong AMD ATHLON 4 Thoroughbred XP 2400+, the mainboard is a... one moment please...
[04:50] <harry> may someone help me?
[04:50] <Pluk> thats all acolyte ?
[04:50] <harry> i cant do make on my fresh installed ubuntu
[04:50] <png> i ve a proble with anjuta (using hoary) i get this error everytime.  ./config.status  config.status: creating Makefile  config.status: error: cannot find input file: intl/Makefile.in.. any idea ?
[04:50] <harry> is always says cc not found
[04:50] <Pluk> your mssing mouse keyboard fonts and serverlayout section
[04:51] <acolyte> pluk: it's not the whole config file but only the part that matters I thought?
[04:51] <mseney> harry, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:51] <Pluk> ah ok just paste the whole thing
[04:51] <harry> ok, thanx
[04:52] <spikboll> How do I get the live-cd to start in runlevel 3 (network, no X)?
[04:52] <acolyte> ok wait a sex
[04:52] <acolyte> sex*
[04:52] <acolyte> sec* gosh :P
[04:52] <Pluk> lol
[04:52] <Pluk> but i think the problem is in the monitor section
[04:52] <acolyte> http://nopaste.biz/?1159
[04:53] <Zzed> help - warty live CD does not find internet, no ping to router - no help files about this problem either    (Knoppix works fine)
[04:53] <harry> ok thanx!
[04:53] <harry> did work!
[04:53] <mseney> :)
[04:53] <AngryClip> how do I tell ubuntu which soundcard to use?
[04:53] <AngryClip> it detects my USB soundblaster Live! 24-bit thingy, but still uses my laptops internal one
[04:54] <BWGames> Just tried to compile something...does Ubuntu really not come with gcc as standard?!
[04:54] <BWGames> its downloading it atm..
[04:54] <BWGames> Root.
[04:55] <root> exit
[04:55] <BWGames> ^o).
[04:55] <Pluk> lol
[04:55] <mijenix> oops I was root
[04:55] <Pluk> hehe
[04:55] <BWGames> heh
[04:56] <JDigital_> hehe
[04:56] <JimSinziger> I'll be back in minute...
[04:56] <mijenix> can someone say me how I can add apache to the runlvl does ubuntu has a good tool to do that
[04:56] <Pluk> no compile tools are installe dat boot
[04:56] <Pluk> theyre on the cd though
[04:56] <acolyte> pluk: found anything unusual?
[04:56] <Pluk> mijenix, update-rc.d apache defaults
[04:56] <entius> hi, i am trying to set preferences on nautilus, but i cannot change something so basic as fonts to display, how can i do it?
[04:57] <Pluk> hmm looks good acolyte .. using a tft right/
[04:57] <acolyte> pluk: correct
[04:58] <Pluk> acolyte, try changing vertrefresh to 50-120 or something
[04:58] <Pluk> guessing though
[04:58] <FEL> Hi, i have just installed ubuntu on my other box, installation was a success, however the network interface doesnt seem to work? where do i start to fix this?
[04:59] <Zzed> FEL that makes two of us
[04:59] <FEL> :P
[04:59] <acolyte> pluk: restart xserver afterwards?
[04:59] <FEL> btw im new to linux.
[04:59] <acolyte> pluk: if yes, how?
[04:59] <Zzed> my guess is that the NIC driver is missing
[05:00] <Pluk> restart the xserver with /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:00] <Zzed> FEL what network card does it have?
[05:00] <FEL> zzed, crappy realtek cards .,.RTL3189 . (its just a "test" box)
[05:00] <statico> how can i tell if my filesystem is ext3/journaled or ext2?
[05:01] <acolyte> pluk:  * Stopping GNOME Display Manager...
[05:01] <acolyte>  * GNOME Display Manager not running                                     [ ok ] 
[05:01] <acolyte>  * Starting GNOME Display Manager...                                     [fail] 
[05:01] <statico> besides pulling the battery out of my laptop and rebooting ;)
[05:01] <Zzed> FEL yep i hve a realtek card too, the 100mps one
[05:01] <statico> oh, nm, dmesg.
[05:01] <Pluk> acolyte,  nano -w /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:02] <FEL> Zzed, any ideas?
[05:02] <acolyte> pluk: and then?
[05:02] <Pluk> you get any (WW) msgs there?
[05:02] <Pluk> and what does it say at the end? prolly no screens found
[05:02] <png> i ve a proble with anjuta (using hoary) i get this error everytime.  ./config.status  config.status: creating Makefile  config.status: error: cannot find input file: intl/Makefile.in.. any idea ?
[05:03] <Zzed> FEL check if the driver is installed, if not install it
[05:03] <FEL> Zzed, how/how? :)
[05:04] <entius> anybody uses gnome with ubuntu and has tried to change fonts size in preferences<-edit?
[05:04] <acolyte> pluk: only some font warnngs
[05:04] <JimSinziger> Back again.
[05:05] <acolyte> ah never mind, I've had enough for today
[05:05] <Pluk> hehe ok :)
[05:05] <acolyte> thx anyway
[05:05] <Pluk> better luck tomorrow :P
[05:05] <acolyte> exactly
[05:06] <JimSinziger> LinuxJones: It's a ECS Elitegroup L7S7A2 with a AMD ATHLON 4 Thoroughbred XP 2400+ - What else do you need to know?
[05:07] <Zzed> FEL modprobe -l   (lists the drivers)
[05:09] <Zzed> FEL your card is a realtek 8139?
[05:09] <JimSinziger> The video card is a Guillemot Maxi Gamer Xentor...
[05:10] <FEL> zzed, yeah.
[05:13] <JimSinziger> Hm...
[05:14] <FEL> put simply i can't connect to the internet :) thats all i want basically .. via lan.
[05:15] <sigglet> FEL: Computer >
[05:16] <sigglet> FEL: Computer > System Configuration > Networking
[05:16] <JimSinziger> I already searched for a solution in the forums and the FAQs, but I didn't find anything...
[05:17] <FEL> sigglet, eth0 was inactive . lets see if activating it solves the problem
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> hi al
[05:18] <da_bon_bon> anyone on ubuntu hoary here ?
[05:19] <bzbb> nothing to ruin your day like a kernel panic
[05:20] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: Most of the channel, probably.
[05:21] <stuNNed> bzbb: what kernel patchset?
[05:21] <bzbb> stuNNed, it was caused by gam_server
[05:22] <bzbb> running the default hoary kernel
[05:22] <apokryphos> bzbb: Argh; evil gam_server.
[05:22] <bzbb> yeah
[05:22] <bzbb> nothing like random lockups
[05:22] <apokryphos> heard about that some time ago; they had a problem in the coding; some loop or something, so it would go on forever.
[05:23] <apokryphos> taking all cpu
[05:23] <stuNNed> bzbb: standard hoary?
[05:23] <bzbb> and, then, it tries to schedule while atomic, and KPs
[05:23] <bzbb> stuNNed, yup
[05:23] <stuNNed> bzbb: ouch
[05:23] <apokryphos> There's a package that needs to be upgraded; the one that provides gam_server...
[05:23] <apokryphos> do a google; there's lots on it
[05:26] <AngryClip> how do I tell ubuntu which soundcard to use?
[05:26] <bzbb> fortunatly, I managed to update it last time before it locked up my system
[05:26] <bzbb> and it seems to be fixed
[05:26] <AngryClip> it detects my USB soundblaster Live! 24-bit thingy, but still uses my laptops internal one
[05:26] <sigglet> FEL: did that work for you?
[05:26] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, you have more than 1 soundcard ?
[05:26] <FEL> sigglet, nah ...
[05:26] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, disable the onboard sound in system bios
[05:27] <sigglet> maybe you need to reconfigure that device.
[05:27] <JimSinziger> Perhaps Ubuntu just doesn't like me... :(
[05:27] <AngryClip> LinuxJones: isn't there a way of just telling alsa which one to use?
[05:27] <apokryphos> package is called "gamin", by the way
[05:27] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, yes but why do you need 2 soundcards on a laptop ?
[05:27] <bzbb> apokryphos, yeah
[05:27] <FEL> sigglet, probably .. at startup it just says configuring network interfaces for quite a while .. guessing it isnt working.
[05:28] <AngryClip> because when I am on the move I might need to use the onbaord sound
[05:28] <bzbb> oddly enough, it caused a lockup in the middle of its replacement
[05:28] <crimsun> AngryClip: Hoary, I presume?
[05:28] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: :)
[05:28] <AngryClip> the stable one
[05:28] <AngryClip> I forgot which
[05:28] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, let me see if I can find you some help
[05:28] <AngryClip> not that experimental one
[05:28] <apokryphos> bzbb: Hah. More info -- quite a lot more, I see -- on the forums. Quite a few people getting that problem, I see.
[05:28] <bzbb> yeah
[05:28] <AngryClip> I am looking on the forums now
[05:29] <bzbb> it seems to be working now
[05:29] <apokryphos> cool
[05:29] <crimsun> AngryClip: Warty, then. No, it's more difficult in Warty.
[05:29] <JimSinziger> Thanks for your help, bye.
[05:29] <apokryphos> another user reported upgrading their kernel fixed it, too
[05:29] <crimsun> AngryClip: the infrastructure for telling ALSA which card to prefer wasn't added until 1.0.8, which is in Hoary. Warty only has 1.0.[45] .
[05:30] <AngryClip> does a backport exsist?
[05:30] <AngryClip> is there a backport website for ubuntu?
[05:30] <crimsun> AngryClip: there's not a backport of those relevant packages, no. It depends on too many packages only in Hoary.
[05:30] <bzbb> how do I force a package to reinstall?
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> http://img95.exs.cx/img95/272/mozillaadware4vs.png
[05:31] <bzbb> I'd do a apt-get remove, apt-get install, but that involves removing ubuntu-base
[05:31] <crimsun> bzbb: aptitude reinstall <package>, or apt-get --reinstall install <package>
[05:31] <png> bluefoxicy, don use my nickname. xchat beeps :)
[05:31] <bzbb> ok
[05:31] <AngryClip> thanks crimsun
[05:31] <crimsun> AngryClip: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:32] <AngryClip> 0 snd_intel8x0
[05:32] <AngryClip> 1 snd_usb_audio
[05:32] <crimsun> AngryClip: you can try something like: echo snd-usb-audio | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:33] <crimsun> AngryClip: that will force your usb sound card(s) to take precedence over the onboard ac97
[05:33] <AngryClip> oh right
[05:33] <AngryClip> ty
[05:33] <crimsun> AngryClip: won't take effect until you rmmod & modprobe, or reboot
[05:34] <AngryClip> ok
[05:42] <bzbb> well, I guess I didn't have it fixed
[05:42] <SiliconViper> Linux rakshasa 2.6.11-rc4-nitro1-x1-686 #2 Wed Feb 16 09:47:11 PST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:42] <SiliconViper> Total suicide kernel.
[05:42] <Raskal> How do I remove an app that is causing my system to crash?
[05:43] <SiliconViper> apt-get remove <appname> ?
[05:43] <crimsun> Raskal: use the package manager(s) - aptitude, apt-get, dselect
[05:43] <Raskal> LOL...let me try there...
[05:43] <crimsun> err, and synaptic, of course
[05:43] <bzbb> now, lets see if I can get the new postfix to install
[05:44] <Raskal> I tried installing the linux version of Castle Wolfenstien: Enemy Territory, and the sucker dumps my system when I try to run it...
[05:45] <stuNNed> what do you mean dumps your system and are you using an older via chipset motherboard?
[05:45] <Raskal> Nope...newer ASUS board...whenever I try to play, I get a black screen, and my system locks up on me...
[05:46] <entius> anyone known how to configure fonts used in nautilus? or it is that nautilus cannot be configured in this aspect?
[05:46] <Raskal> But, I had an "error free" install...
[05:46] <Vjaz> Raskal: Is OpenGL and DRI working fine otherwise?
[05:46] <stuNNed> Raskal: does glxgears run and give you decent framerate, also what does glxinfo say?
[05:47] <Raskal> Those run fine...I have the most up-to-date nvidia drivers, and I can get America's Army to run great...
[05:47] <SiRrUs> more updates ;)
[05:49] <bzbb> http://www.pastebin.com/247047 is what happens when I try to update postfix
[05:50] <tck> anyone try array-5, whats it like ?
[05:50] <apokryphos> tck: Pretty good. Array 6 out tomorrow.
[05:50] <SiRrUs> tck great
[05:50] <bzbb> how do you tell what array you are running?
[05:50] <SiRrUs> apokryphos i thought they were out on wed
[05:51] <tck> whens the official release for hoary, april ?
[05:51] <apokryphos> SiRrUs: 28th, wasn't it?
[05:51] <universal> hey, does someone know how if there is a difference in performance between using the nvidia.com grapic-drivers or the integrated nvidiadriver that comes with ubuntu??
[05:51] <SiRrUs> apokryphos 28th is monday here :)
[05:52] <apokryphos> Ignore me; I'm talking rubbish here.
[05:52] <apokryphos> Array 6 was out on the 24th?
[05:52] <SiRrUs> was it?
[05:52] <SiRrUs> where is it ??
[05:52] <apokryphos> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[05:52] <apokryphos> weird
[05:53] <apokryphos> Not sure why I was under the impression that it was the 28th.. heh
[05:53] <Welly> alright guys, how stable is hoary?
[05:53] <apokryphos> Welly: very
[05:53] <Welly> ok cool :) i'll give it a go
[05:53] <SiRrUs> yeah i have not seen 6 out just 5
[05:53] <apokryphos> SiRrUs: URL doesn't seem to exist yet though
[05:53] <universal> has someone tried to install the nvidia.com grapic-driver in ubuntu?
[05:53] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:54] <tck> is there a set number of array releases, or do they just keep incrementing them as need be ?
[05:54] <Welly> is array5 the latest release of hoary?
[05:54] <BWGames> Not Ubuntu related, but anyone reckon a USB2 HDD would be fast enough for video capture?
[05:54] <BWGames> using Mythtv
[05:54] <tck> Welly, apparently array-6 is out any day now
[05:54] <SiRrUs> Welly seems to be
[05:54] <apokryphos> Schedule needs updating ;-)
[05:54] <Welly> or is it something else? oh ok
[05:54] <apokryphos> Not sure when array 6 is going to be out
[05:54] <apokryphos> the schedule doesn't seem to be going to plan
[05:54] <tck> oh really
[05:55] <apokryphos> anyhow, if you get array 5 it only takes a command to update, so it's not like you're doomed ;-)
[05:55] <Welly> cool :) thats alright then
[05:55] <Welly> lets hope my cdrom drive likes hoary.. :S
[05:55] <universal> has someone tried to install the nvidia.com grapic-driver in ubuntu?
[05:55] <Welly> universal, yes.. had no problem with it
[05:56] <universal> Welly, ok, so is there a difference between using the www.nvidia.com drivers and the integrated drivers coming from ubuntu?
[05:57] <Welly> i'm not really sure but i presume so
[05:57] <Welly> i just followed the howto on installing nvidia drivers
[05:57] <tck> well if the inbuilt one works well enough, no need to install the other
[05:58] <universal> Welly, ok so you have actually done the things as configurating the kernel-headers and so...?
[05:58] <Welly> not sure whether the nvidia driver coming from the nvidia site is any more recent or improved but the one i tried from ubuntu worked fine
[05:58] <Welly> universal, no.. nothing like that
[05:59] <universal> Welly, you just installed the glx-drivers? and nothing more?
[05:59] <Welly> yeah, i think so
[06:00] <universal> Welly, its just like that i have problems playing games using Cedega.... my gforce6800gt is pretty slow...
[06:00] <Welly> oh right.. i've got a tnt2-m64 :) anything is goign to be slow
[06:00] <Welly> apart from possibly asteroids
[06:02] <universal> Welly, hmm, i think it has something to do with The Cedega program which cannot emulate things good enough-...
[06:02] <Welly> i dont 'know what cedega is.. sorry
[06:03] <universal> Welly, ok, its just a program which makes you accesible to Games
[06:04] <Welly> oh ok! i don't really play games on the pc, hence the ati tnt2 :)
[06:04] <Welly> i've got my xbox for video games
[06:05] <aljo^> hey
[06:05] <aljo^> how can i change refreshment rate and resolution in ubuntu
[06:05] <aljo^> ?
[06:05] <universal> Welly, i understand Linux is also not the best distribution for playing games ;)
[06:06] <apokryphos> Linux is an Operating System; Ubuntu is a distribution.
[06:06] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:06] <aljo^> any ideas?
[06:06] <universal> ups yea sry
[06:06] <Welly> i dunno.. there's a few decent games for linux! I believe half life 2 has a binary release for linux, although i could be wrong
[06:06] <apokryphos> aljo^: Several ways. There's perhaps a problem in Gnome for it. Are the values for it restricted or something?
[06:07] <apokryphos> *perhaps something in it for Gnome
[06:07] <aljo^> no i don't think so
[06:07] <apokryphos> *something in Gnome for it
[06:07] <aljo^> look
[06:07] <apokryphos> eek, illiterate today
[06:07] <aljo^> i set the values through
[06:07] <apokryphos> I'm close to certain there is something
[06:07] <aljo^> XF86cofing
[06:07] <apokryphos> I don't run Gnome, though :)
[06:07] <aljo^> config iwn
[06:07] <universal> but it could be a good way to play games in future if people just compiled enough
[06:07] <aljo^> but
[06:08] <apokryphos> aljo^: you can always do it by configuring x, yes
[06:08] <aljo^> in the menu i don't have the choice
[06:08] <aljo^> to change the rate and resolution
[06:08] <apokryphos> aljo^: Right ;-). Are you using xorg/xfree?
[06:08] <aljo^> i think xfree
[06:08] <apokryphos> aljo^: well, do a "top". Does it say xfree86 there?
[06:09] <aljo^> moment
[06:09] <apokryphos> k
[06:09] <aljo^> yes
[06:09] <aljo^> xfree
[06:09] <apokryphos> aljo^: Right. In terminal do a reconfiguration of x: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:09] <apokryphos> it'll walk you through it
[06:10] <apokryphos> you can specify the resolution and possible refresh rates in there
[06:10] <aljo^> thanks
[06:10] <apokryphos> but be careful with refresh rates!
[06:10] <bumperland> when I run the terminal I get "child process did not start" any ideas ?
[06:12] <Coily> how do i disabel the automatic configuration of the dns servers... it keeps resetting when i enter my own
[06:12] <LinuxJones> bumperland, that is a gnome-terminal ?
[06:12] <Coily> disable*
[06:12] <bumperland> yes
[06:13] <msumu> can someone tell me hox to disable kde sounds
[06:13] <apokryphos> msumu: in kcontrol
[06:13] <Coily> anyone?
[06:13] <LinuxJones> bumperland, are you logged into your normal user account ?
[06:13] <bumperland> yes
[06:13] <apokryphos> msumu: kcontrol > Sound and Multimedia > System Notifications
[06:14] <Coily> i can manuualy set my ip but i cant set the dns servers (without it resetting)
[06:14] <LinuxJones> bumperland, have you tried re-logging back in ?
[06:14] <Coily> manually*...
[06:15] <bumperland> yes
[06:15] <msumu> apokryphos I m in it but I don't see how ...
[06:15] <LinuxJones> bumperland, are you on the ubuntu machine, or is it another system that you have ?
[06:15] <bumperland> ubuntu
[06:16] <apokryphos> msumu: well, take off the "Apply to all applications"
[06:16] <LinuxJones> bumperland, did you do an update of the system using apt-get or synaptic ?
[06:16] <apokryphos> msumu: You could also, of course, disable arts. I have.
[06:16] <bumperland> nope
[06:17] <LinuxJones> bumperland, ok hit alt+F2 then type synaptic
[06:17] <LinuxJones> bumperland, enter your user password when prompted
[06:17] <msumu> apokryphos that 's all fine dude
[06:17] <msumu> thanks a lot
[06:17] <apokryphos> cool
[06:17] <apokryphos> np
[06:17] <Coily> i can manually set my ip but i cant set the dns servers (without it resetting)
[06:18] <Coily> anyone know how to get around this?
[06:18] <msumu> apokryphos what video player do you use ?
[06:18] <msumu> (mplayer?..)
[06:18] <apokryphos> msumu: Generally: mplayer; but been using xine lately
[06:18] <LinuxJones> bumperland, that's synaptic a graphical package managment system. Hit the reload button top left followed by mark all upgrades, followed by apply. Thant will download all upgradable packages for your ubuntu system.
[06:19] <msumu> apokryphos how ? i got mplayer but doesn't work
[06:20] <msumu> apokryphos and totem is kinda oldish
[06:20] <ghen> what are the packages for iPython and idle?
[06:20] <apokryphos> msumu: That's an issue because of the restricted formats; don't worry, easy to get around. One sec.
[06:20] <msumu> :-)
[06:21] <apokryphos> %tell msumu uburestricted
[06:21] <Pyre> msumu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:21] <msumu> Pyre  got to add it ?
[06:22] <apokryphos> msumu: Go through those instructions; further down the page for xvid etc.
[06:22] <apokryphos> add the extra repos; install the codecs and it'll work just fine
[06:22] <LinuxJones> ghen, ipython and idle are the names, you might have to enable the universe repository
[06:23] <bumperland> there was no change ... i'm going to reboot
[06:23] <apokryphos> Ok, I've gotta go out. Good luck msumu.
[06:24] <msumu> apokryphos thx
[06:24] <msumu> Pyre  thanks dude
[06:30] <bumperland> Linuxjones : still doesn
[06:30] <bumperland> work
[06:31] <LinuxJones> bumperland, did you re-boot ?
[06:31] <bumperland> yep
[06:31] <LinuxJones> bumperland, you must be missing a package
[06:32] <p-fox> hi all. i'm trying to use eclipse with the c# plugin, but can't get it working. has anybody tried this?
[06:32] <bumperland> This problem just started
[06:32] <klara> hello
[06:32] <LinuxJones> bumperland, your using warty ?
[06:33] <bumperland> yep
[06:33] <Slackman> hi guys, just installed a hoary on to my ibook g3 using an iso...and i don't seem to have a right click anywhere
[06:33] <LinuxJones> bumperland, go back into synaptic again
[06:34] <bumperland> i'm there
[06:34] <LinuxJones> bumperland, ok click search and type gnome-terminal
[06:34] <LinuxJones> bumperland, does it come up with a green dot to the left of the display ?
[06:35] <bumperland> yes
[06:35] <LinuxJones> bumperland, :(
[06:35] <LinuxJones> bumperland, the only other thing that I can think of would be installing ubuntu-desktop
[06:36] <LinuxJones> bumperland, search for ubuntu-desktop
[06:36] <LinuxJones> bumperland, then double click it
[06:36] <LinuxJones> bumperland, then hit apply
[06:36] <kewlman> hi everyone
[06:36] <LinuxJones> bumperland, hopefully that will resolve any missing dependency that might be missing
[06:38] <JDigital`> How do I change the font on WINE?
[06:38] <JDigital`> It looks fugly.
[06:39] <bumperland> no go  :-(
[06:39] <Pluk> wine _IS_ ugly
[06:40] <Nekohayo> I would be SOOOOOO happy to be able to "skin" wine
[06:40] <JDigital`> It could at least used a sans-serif font
[06:40] <LinuxJones> bumperland, does it only happen when you try to start a gnome-terminal session or other applications as well ?
[06:41] <zenrox> pluk don't wine about it lol
[06:41] <klara> Ok, I've tryied to find it on ubuntu page with no result, so here goes my problem: Just installed ubuntu on a machine with and old monitor. default X conf is set to 1024, but with ctrl+alt+'-' solves it 'on warm'. But desktop is still too big. changing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 doesn't make any effect (still starting up on 1024 even with no 1024 config at any deph). What to do?
[06:41] <Pluk> lol
[06:42] <bumperland> other things as well .. synaptic for one
[06:42] <LinuxJones> bumperland, you are using the same user account that you used to install ubuntu right ?
[06:44] <bumperland> yes
[06:44] <LinuxJones> bumperland, I am out of ideas sorry, maybe try asking again later
[06:45] <bumperland> thanks anyway
[06:45] <LinuxJones> bumperland, GL :)
[06:46] <Ominus> anyone could help me installin an USRobotics modem?? Ubuntu isn't recognizing it...
[06:46] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17274 <-- anyone like to comment on my new Python script? Ubuntu Speedstart.
[06:46] <Quest-Master> Ominus: Doesn't their site have drivers for Linux?
[06:47] <Quest-Master> That's how my friend got his USRobotics modem to work.
[06:47] <zenwhen> is this a cheap USR modem
[06:47] <Ominus> Quest-Master, well.. i got the rpm file... installed it... but still don't work...
[06:47] <zenwhen> or the good kind with an actual controller
[06:47] <Quest-Master> Ominus: Did you convert it to .deb?
[06:47] <klara> does anybody know why X server is ignoring changes I made on XF86Config-4?
[06:47] <Ominus> it's a 5610 UsRobotics FaxModem (WInModem)
[06:47] <zenwhen> oh
[06:47] <zenwhen> it should work perfectly
[06:48] <zenwhen> i have the same one
[06:48] <zenwhen> oh
[06:48] <zenwhen> wait
[06:48] <zenwhen> i have the 5610b
[06:48] <zenwhen> its not a winmodem
[06:48] <zenwhen> i missed that
[06:48] <Ominus> gee... =/
[06:48] <zenwhen> i dont know much about winmodems and linux
[06:49] <zenwhen> i prefer to actually be buying a modem when i buy a modem
[06:49] <Sionide> you have dialup
[06:50] <zenwhen> would he be using a modem otherwise
[06:50] <zenwhen> lol
[06:50] <Ominus> well... the modem is a borrowed one... so I don't have much choice...
[06:50] <zenwhen> oh
[06:50] <Ominus> my old modem wont work in the actual motherboard..
[06:50] <mseney> Ominus, heres an old howto that may work -> http://nyslug.tripod.com/howto.html
[06:51] <Ominus> i'll se..
[06:52] <Quest-Master> http://img95.exs.cx/img95/272/mozillaadware4vs.png
[06:54] <Ominus> omg
[06:55] <dataghost> I'm running a Warty Warthog version...
[06:55] <mseney> thats insane
[06:56] <dataghost> why is it insane?
[06:56] <goldfish> dataghost: http://img95.exs.cx/img95/272/mozillaadware4vs.png#
[06:56] <mseney> no not that, Quest-Masters post. you missed it. i'll post it.
[06:56] <goldfish> that is insane
[06:56] <goldfish> :)
[06:56] <mseney> :)
[06:56] <dataghost> hehehehehe
[06:57] <Zenith-> lol
[06:57] <dataghost> I guess someone's really here to stay then!!
[06:58] <Nekohayo> question: if I upgrade to hoary, will it be able to remove that .... useless OSS mixer? My current setup has the OSS AND Alsa mixers, and I think it was because I had my onboard sound activated during the first install... (it it not, anymore.. just running a pci soundblaster audigy)
[06:59] <dataghost> yeah...I've got the same thing going on with my sound too!
[06:59] <dataghost> I'm running a Cmedia 6 channel pci card...
[07:00] <dataghost> I would that Ubuntu would support the card better, it still sounds okay, but not quite the same as the bundled Windows pack worked...
[07:02] <Nekohayo> heheee! just solved a friend's sound problems ^^ he had like two usb webcams messing up with the soundcard
[07:02] <dataghost> I've got two USB Webcams hooked to mine too!!
[07:03] <dataghost> two logitech cams...a quickcam express and a Logitech Quickcam Cordless
[07:03] <Nekohayo> well unplug 'em!
[07:03] <Nekohayo> and reboot and see how it goes
[07:04] <Nekohayo> it may fix things :)
[07:04] <dataghost> (I love the Cordless!!!) Will do...brb!
[07:10] <carrot> hello... how do i get ncurses-dev in ubuntu?
[07:11] <JDahl> apt-cache search ncurses-dev
[07:12] <carrot> JDahl, thanks
[07:12] <JDahl> (Canonical should replace "Circle of friends" with an outline of apt-cache search, apt-get install, and dpkg -S)
[07:13] <carrot> i haven't been using debian-based for a long time
[07:14] <JDahl> I didnt mean any offence, just that half the answers here are "apt-cache search"
[07:15] <carrot> that's because they try to make you use synaptic on ubuntu
[07:15] <carrot> instead of forcing you to learn
[07:16] <dataghost> wow!! My surround sound is back!!
[07:16] <dataghost> Thanx Nekohayo!!
[07:18] <Nekohayo> dataghost, happy to see it worked :) maybe I should post this in the forusm?
[07:22] <Welly_> are there any other ISO distributions of hoary than the link above?
[07:22] <apokryphos> Welly_: other ISO distributions? You mean other mirrors?
[07:22] <Welly_> yeah, thats the one :)
[07:22] <apokryphos> Welly_: there are several up there, aren't there?
[07:22] <Welly_> just finding it a touch slow
[07:23] <apokryphos> oh, nope. Hold on; I'll see if I can find out.
[07:23] <Welly_> i was just going through the french mirrors.. can't find an iso file in the hoary distro
[07:23] <apokryphos> though, what's wrong with the ones there? =)
[07:23] <Slackman> anyone know where i can set what my right click mouse button
[07:23] <apokryphos> Slackman: are you using kde?
[07:24] <Welly_> which directory should the ISo files be in on a mirror?
[07:24] <Slackman> apokryphos, not yet... only just installed the hoary-iso
[07:24] <Slackman> apokryphos, think i was talking to you on #kubuntu last night?
[07:24] <apokryphos> yup :)
[07:24] <Ominus> what is the command for "setserial" ?
[07:24] <Welly_> I'm in - ftp://mir1.ovh.net/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/warty/ and i can't find a .iso file anywhere
[07:25] <apokryphos> hmm, I thought there might be something in kcontrol for it, but I don't see it.
[07:25] <apokryphos> Welly_: Re: French, I don't know. Are the arrays coming in other languages, for sure?
[07:25] <Slackman> apokryphos, got the iso today...but pbbuttonsd doesn't seem to be controlling anything and gnome has all my key bindings buggered
[07:25] <Welly_> i'm not sure.. maybe not
[07:26] <Slackman> apokryphos, and most of the gnome icons are missing :)
[07:26] <apokryphos> Slackman: well, download kde and let's get you on it ;-)
[07:27] <Slackman> apokryphos, gotta get pbbuttonsd and pmud working properly first
[07:27] <apokryphos> no idea what those are ;), but good luck
[07:27] <Slackman> whats the ubuntu equiv to /etc/sysconfig?
[07:28] <Ominus> i was tryin this howto (http://nyslug.tripod.com/howto.html) but i got problems since the begining... since i don't have a /proc/pci file..
[07:28] <Slackman> apokryphos, laptop stuff
[07:28] <apokryphos> ahh
[07:28] <apokryphos> Yes, I hear Ubuntu had some Laptop problems; mainly in warty though; I think hoary is doing better.
[07:28] <Dr_willis> Linux and Laptops  can often be.. Frustrating. :P
[07:29] <Slackman> apokryphos, heh ironically warty was fine..
[07:29] <apokryphos> hehe
[07:29] <Slackman> on my ibook anyways
[07:30] <wasabi> There a GUI password changing program yet?
[07:30] <wasabi> for yourself.
[07:30] <wasabi> (using pam)
[07:30] <mseney> Ominus, sorry will help if i can get my input box colors right lol
[07:31] <mseney> playing around w/ the colors and messed em up
[07:31] <theine> Ah great, the mplayer-586 package in Hoary has been fixed
[07:31] <shock> ok - whats up with this: ubunntu hoary: nautilus cd burner bungles my iso's - k3b burns them correctly?
[07:31] <shock> anyone experiencing the same?
[07:38] <Erix> hi
[07:39] <Erix> array 5 is a rc?
[07:39] <spiral> hi
[07:42] <stuNNed> Erix: pretty much
[07:42] <sander__> Does anyone know how to unlock a FireFox profile, if FireFox crashes?
[07:43] <carrot> i'd be willing to bet it's a /var lock file, but i'm not sure
[07:43] <OrangeSlice> usually just means firefox is still running, defunct
[07:43] <OrangeSlice> try a killall mozilla-firefox
[07:44] <OrangeSlice> er, firefox-bin
[07:44] <carrot> they should remove the profile thing from firefox, no one uses it
[07:44] <Xappe> well, in windows it can be quite useful
[07:44] <OrangeSlice> I know someone who does :0
[07:44] <samuella> can i get a amen
[07:45] <OrangeSlice> useful for multiple users who don't want to share bookmarks and certain settings
[07:45] <carrot> well, it should be by default disabled.
[07:45] <apokryphos> I think you can manually specify which profile to start with on firefox, and create one. Check the firefox man page
[07:45] <OrangeSlice> it... is
[07:46] <carrot> hrm...
[07:46] <carrot> well, in gaim when i click links that profile selector pops up
[07:47] <stuNNed> carrot: you have a lock file you need to delete
[07:47] <samuella> yeh
[07:48] <carrot> stuNNed, it happens whenever i am already running firefox...
[07:48] <stuNNed> carrot: exit firefox, check for a locked file afaik in ~/.mozilla, delete it, then relaunch, see if it fixes.
[07:48] <samuella> I'm from rwanda.
[07:49] <diego> anyone else having gnome menu issues on hoary?
[07:49] <apokryphos> diego: it's a known bug
[07:49] <apokryphos> same in kde
[07:49] <Shambler> how can i mount a ext3 partition, so that my user can write on it?
[07:49] <apokryphos> I think they're still working on it.
[07:49] <diego> apokryphos: aight, thanks
[07:49] <stuNNed> Shambler: set rw in fstab
[07:50] <Shambler> defaults,rw ?
[07:50] <stuNNed> can try
[07:50] <carrot> eh? i thought it was defaults,user,rw
[07:50] <samuella> In Rwanda, we have no running water. just large groups of refugees :(
[07:50] <OrangeSlice> and yet you have internet?  something's wrong with that
[07:51] <samuella> I'm on a blackberry
[07:51] <Shambler> defaults,user,rw doesnt work
[07:51] <samuella> dur
[07:51] <OrangeSlice> lol
[07:51] <samuella> :-P
[07:51] <carrot> shambler, you unmount and remount?
[07:51] <Shambler> carrot: yes
[07:51] <carrot> samuella, blackberries have irc?
[07:51] <samuella> well, no,
[07:51] <Shambler> only rw doesnt work either
[07:51] <carrot> hrm
[07:51] <samuella> but i stuck a stick into the screen and that seems to help
[07:52] <samuella> or something
[07:52] <carrot> what is the line for that partition?
[07:53] <carrot> Shambler, did you mount the partition as root?
[07:53] <Shambler> carrot /dev/sda1 /mnt/data1 ext3 rw 0 0
[07:53] <Shambler> carrot: yes
[07:53] <carrot> try remounting as the normal user
[07:53] <Shambler> carrot: i can't with just the rw option
[07:54] <Shambler> carrot: should i add user,rw
[07:54] <Shambler> ?
[07:54] <carrot> yes
[07:55] <Shambler> carrot: now i can mount but not write on it
[07:55] <carrot> Shambler, does it work now?
[07:55] <carrot> how odd... hm
[07:55] <samuella> yes, odd...
[07:55] <Shambler> /mnt/data1 is drwxr-xr-x root root
[07:55] <stuNNed> Shambler: sure you remounted the partition?
[07:55] <samuella> hay 4strO!!!
[07:55] <Shambler> stunned: totally
[07:57] <Shambler> no idea?
[07:57] <_4strO_> lol
[07:57] <stuNNed> Shambler: if you run 'mount' what does the line for /dev/sda1 say about the partition?
[07:58] <samuella> oohh S&M
[07:58] <nandi> hi
[07:58] <carrot> hi
[07:58] <stuNNed> hi nandi
[07:58] <Shambler> stunned: atm, it says /dev/sda1 /mnt/data1 ext3 user,rw 0 0
[07:58] <carrot> hrm how about defaults,user,rw
[07:58] <stuNNed> Shambler: check your permissions on /mnt/data1
[07:59] <Nekohayo> say, has anyone had a corrupt evolution calendar?
[07:59] <Shambler> /mnt/data1 is drwxr-xr-x root root
[07:59] <Nekohayo> mine makes evolution crash, I've submitted a bug report but..
[08:00] <nandi> how do i know whether my modem has been detected
[08:00] <samuella> are you online?
[08:00] <stuNNed> Shambler: what user are you trying to write as?
[08:00] <samuella> then yes. it's been detected
[08:00] <carrot> nandi, you can poke it with a stick, or you can use dmesg
[08:00] <Shambler> stunned: user=shambler
[08:00] <stuNNed> Shambler: try
[08:01] <Xappe> hmm, aMSN is a buggy bastard
[08:01] <stuNNed> sudo chmod 777 /mnt/data1
[08:01] <carrot> nandi, run dmesg in the terminal and see what it spews out, if it says something about a modem it's detected
[08:01] <Shambler> stunned: ok, but when i mount as a user i get rwxr-xr-x again
[08:02] <nandi> carrot dmesg does not list any modem
[08:02] <poxymox> Hi @ll
[08:02] <Ominus> I've tried an lspci -vv command to discover whats my modem IRQ and port... and appears a lot of information, what is what i want since i don't see anythin clear like "IRQ x ... Port X" ??
[08:02] <carrot> nandi, nothing even remotely related to modems?
[08:02] <carrot> Ominus, grep the output
[08:02] <stuNNed> nandi: grab scanmodem.gz from linmodems.org or run in ubuntu 'Device Manager' and see what it says
[08:03] <samuella> i wonder if sylvia plath would use ubuntu...
[08:03] <nandi> carrot something on ttys1 and IRq ? is a 16550A
[08:03] <sander__> carrot, It was a locked file thing. I sent the locked file to /dev/null and all is well. Thanks and thank OrangeSlice too.
[08:04] <Ominus> carrot, sorry.. put i'm pretty noob ant Linux and device management.. could you be more specific?
[08:04] <carrot> nandi, i know nothing about modems specifically
[08:04] <samuella> i dunno if anybody cares, but, agp slots make get me all hot and bothered
[08:05] <Ominus> i got things like, "subsystem, control, status, interrupt, region 0,1,2, capabilities, flags, status"
[08:05] <carrot> Ominus, lspci -vv|grep [string you want to find] 
[08:05] <carrot> minus the brackets
[08:05] <OrangeSlice> yar someone said my name
[08:05] <samuella> sylvia plath?
[08:05] <carrot> who the hell is that?
[08:05] <Sionide> google is your friend
[08:06] <Nekohayo> has anyone had a corrupt evolution calendar?
[08:06] <carrot> Nekohayo, sorry, i don't use evolution
[08:06] <raydogg> what repository is samba-server in ?
[08:07] <samuella> hey, haha, wouldnt it be funny if someone made a calendar that competed with evolution and called it "Creation"
[08:07] <samuella> :P
[08:07] <carrot> ms should do that
[08:07] <samuella> yes
[08:09] <samuella> hello slackman, mud, and markuman!
[08:09] <Slackman> yellow
[08:09] <markuman> hello
[08:09] <JimSinziger> Hi there!
[08:09] <samuella> hello jimsinziger and mrv!
[08:09] <mud_> howdy
[08:09] <mrv_> hello.
[08:09] <alvaro> hey guys how do you set up evolution? :S
[08:09] <Slackman> running hoary on an ibook 800..just apt-get'd xfce but it doesn't appear in gdm
[08:09] <alvaro> I have gmail
[08:09] <markuman> i'm searching after where i can config my lan for internet. i'm behind a router
[08:10] <Slackman> just wondering how i can add xfce to the gdm menu
[08:10] <JimSinziger> I heard that I could get some help for ubuntu here...
[08:10] <nandi> anyone know how I can directly go to the command line instead of gui
[08:11] <spacey> nandi, at bootup?
[08:11] <spacey> change the default runlevel
[08:11] <nandi> yes soacey
[08:11] <raydogg> what is the name of the smb server package ?
[08:11] <nandi> yes spacey
[08:11] <spacey> i think it is in /etc/inittac
[08:11] <spacey> i think it is in /etc/inittab
[08:11] <carrot> i think that's right, just change the runlevel
[08:12] <mud_> ctrl+alt+f1
[08:12] <samuella> hello ompaulAFK now known as ompaul!
[08:12] <samuella> hello linuxboy!
[08:12] <JimSinziger> I tried to install Ubuntu from CD, but all it says is: "Loading /install/vmlinuz...... Loading /install/initrd.gz....... Ready. _"
[08:12] <stuNNed> JimSinziger: which CD version?
[08:12] <nandi> also now i boot to gnome how do i know which packages have been installed
[08:12] <ompaul> samuella, hi
[08:13] <JimSinziger> Uhm... I downloaded it yesterday, so I guess it's the newest...
[08:13] <mud_> look in synaptic
[08:13] <samuella> ^_^
[08:13] <stuNNed> nandi: with synaptic
[08:13] <statico> boo ubuntu! making ubuntu-desktop dependant on bicylerepair! </whine>
[08:13] <mseney> Ominus, did you figure out what setserial is?
[08:13] <carrot> i chowned your mom
[08:13] <nandi> when I try to start synaptic nothing appears in the screen
[08:13] <JimSinziger> 4.10 i386
[08:13] <stuNNed> JimSinziger: there is stable warty and unstable release array 5 afaik
[08:13] <samuella> I've been wondering something for a while... how would i change from gnome to xfce?
[08:13] <nandi> although the cursor is busy
[08:14] <mud_> weird
[08:14] <Ominus> mseney, +/- i'm lookin in ubuntu foruns...
[08:14] <ompaul> samuella, that would be hoary hedgehog array 5 :)
[08:14] <samuella> O.o
[08:14] <warty> hello again
[08:14] <samuella> What?
[08:14] <mseney> Ominus, Controls configuration of serial ports. You can get it using Synaptic and search for setserial. You can also prob get it by $sudo apt-get install setserial
[08:14] <samuella> so, switch to hoary hedgehog, or what?
[08:15] <ompaul> saad,  that is the full name of the distribution "hoary hedgehog array 5"
[08:15] <Ominus> i've just installed it... =)
[08:15] <warty> anny of you know UBUNTU???
[08:15] <mseney> Ominus, cool!
[08:15] <stuNNed> hi warty
[08:15] <mud_> ubuntu who?
[08:15] <warty> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/howtofolder_view
[08:15] <mseney> Ominus, that was a howto i put together a long time ago but it should still work. been awhile since i've used a 56K modem
[08:15] <samuella> ubuntu go to teh payless!
[08:16] <samuella> haha see play on words
[08:16] <JimSinziger> I already tried various boot parameters like acpi=off or noapic or nolapic and so on...
[08:16] <samuella> yeah okay
[08:16] <Ominus> mseney, thanks.. but i got a strage think... tryin a lspci -vv i got "Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 0" ... got a clue?
[08:17] <samuella> I have a question...
[08:17] <samuella> What does chown do?
[08:17] <statico> (ch)ange (own)er
[08:17] <JimSinziger> By the way, the same thing happens, when I try to install Mandrake...
[08:17] <samuella> oh
[08:17] <nandi> quit
[08:17] <samuella> i thought it was a typo of "clown"
[08:18] <samuella> you know, the h and the l are so close and all
[08:18] <zenrox> samuella, chown changes ownership
[08:18] <samuella> oh okay
[08:18] <mseney> Ominus, nah sorry. dunno man
[08:18] <samuella> okay so um. can someone tell me how to install a program without synaptic?
[08:18] <fgubuntu> hi ubuntuers
[08:19] <zenrox> samuella, apt-get install
[08:19] <stuNNed> hi fgubuntu
[08:19] <samuella> yes but, what if apt-get can't find the program i ask for?
[08:19] <ompaul> samuella, usually used as `chown username:usergroup filename`
[08:19] <warty> okay than....who is a Linux expert in here?
[08:19] <samuella> oh okay
[08:19] <zenrox> samuella, read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:19] <zenrox> warty,  whats up
[08:19] <JimSinziger> Mh... no idea?
[08:19] <ompaul> samuella, `apt-cache search file_name`
[08:19] <samuella> oh okay
[08:20] <samuella> and that searches for shiznit?
[08:20] <stuNNed> yes, samuella
[08:20] <samuella> thank you
[08:20] <Xappe> JimSinziger, that is when it's trying to boot from cd?
[08:20] <stuNNed> samuella: that ubuntuguide is very helpful but only pertains to warty afaik
[08:20] <samuella> oh okay
[08:21] <samuella> um... another question... how do i tell if my ubuntu ver is warty? O.o
[08:21] <apokryphos> samuella: cat /etc/issue
[08:21] <klaym> it is warty by default
[08:21] <samuella> oh alright
[08:21] <ompaul> warty, it would be bad of me to claim that title, I know something of it, if you ask the question then you stand a chance of an answer, usually people do not reply to the likes of your question in case they do not know the answer, given that there are thousands of programs and they nearly all have options you are talking about lots of possible answers, so I suggest you ask and see what answers you get
[08:21] <JimSinziger> Xappe: Yes, there is this welcome screen, I can read those help pages when pressing F1, and after pressing enter with or without commands, the above mentioned happens...
[08:22] <fgubuntu> stuNNed, when i upgrade from warty to hary, is it safe to maintain all staff taken from wartyuniverse or is it safer to uninstall before upgrade?
[08:22] <stuNNed> fgubuntu: change 'warty' to 'hoary' on those repos and you should be fine
[08:22] <goedecke_> hi i think Intall boot splash any herar have a URL Manual?
[08:22] <stuNNed> hi eyequeue
[08:22] <Xappe> JimSinziger, hmm, ok...have you tried any livecd:s?
[08:23] <eyequeue> hi
[08:23] <samuella> i tried to use a wrench to hook up the coaxial to teh USB but as soon as i turned on the pc sparks flew everywhere and it started smelling like smoke. :-/
[08:23] <ompaul> eyequeue, hi
[08:23] <zenrox> samuella,  lol
[08:23] <fgubuntu> all the stuff in hory univ is compiled against hoary libs and viceversa?
[08:23] <JimSinziger> Xappe: I only tried a Gnoppix-CD once and it worked, but no Ubuntu-Live-CD.
[08:23] <stuNNed> fgubuntu: yes
[08:24] <fgubuntu> stuNNed, and what about staff installed from .bin taken from original sites ( like firefox 1.0 )
[08:24] <eyequeue> 1.0.1
[08:25] <stuNNed> fgubuntu: depends on where it installed, hopefully will overwrite, but installing .bin is probably a bad idea; ubuntu-backports, although not sane, is probably better.
[08:25] <ompaul> warty, so ask your question :)
[08:25] <Xappe> JimSinziger, ok...hmm...i'm not so good at bootoptions, so I probably can't help you...you've already tried the thing i would've tried
[08:25] <Xappe> *things
[08:25] <stuNNed> fgubuntu: if you can uninstall or manually remove, would be best
[08:25] <fgubuntu> stuNNed, i have this all .bin in /usr/local
[08:26] <JimSinziger> Xappe: Thanks trotzdem ;)
[08:26] <stuNNed> fgubuntu: then it is most probably ok; it will look in /usr/bin before /usr/local/bin, i'd manually remove what i can, if you think it's in hoary.
[08:26] <Xappe> JimSinziger, well, at least I tried to investigate your problem a bit :)
[08:26] <goedecke_> who to i see de kernel version?
[08:27] <stuNNed> JimSinziger: what type of board is that again?
[08:27] <JimSinziger> Xappe: Yes, that's better than being ignored... :-)
[08:27] <ompaul> goedecke_, uname -a will tell you all about the kernel version
[08:27] <goedecke_> tnk
[08:27] <JimSinziger> stunned: ECS Elitegroup L7S7A2
[08:27] <fgubuntu> stuNNed, im not really an expert but im not a newbie. i would like to understand a thing...these problems i could have due to the different libraries used by hory?
[08:27] <Xappe> hello tritium
[08:27] <stuNNed> JimSinziger: eghad :) have you updated to the most recent BIOS on that?  i know a friend of mine had lost of troubles with an Elitegroup we had to use a BIOS found on forums on a japanese site or something :\
[08:28] <stuNNed> fgubuntu: libraries for which binary?
[08:28] <JimSinziger> stunned: Uhm, no, that's an interesting idea ;-)
[08:28] <stuNNed> JimSinziger: and that was with windows xp
[08:28] <stuNNed> JimSinziger: so go figure :)
[08:29] <tritium> hello Xappe
[08:29] <gsuveg> re
[08:29] <stuNNed> hi gsuveg
[08:29] <fgubuntu> stuNNed, it's not a specific question :-) where the compatibility problems from upgrading REALLY come from? i'm trying to learn more abount linux in general... :-)
[08:30] <gsuveg> anyone know why not listen postfix on eht1 ?
[08:30] <gsuveg> im setup inet_interfaces = all
[08:30] <gsuveg> stuNNed: hi
[08:30] <stuNNed> gsuveg: afaik that's done in master.cf
[08:31] <gsuveg> stuNNed: yes. thanks
[08:32] <alvaro> yo guys when i update then upgrade on the terminal the thing ran slow and it says this:
[08:32] <alvaro> b  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[08:32] <alvaro> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/ma in/binary-i386/mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu4-warty99_i386.deb  Error reading from  server Remote end closed connection
[08:32] <alvaro> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/ma in/binary-i386/rhythmbox_0.8.8-1ubuntu2-4.10ubp1_i386.deb  Error reading from se rver Remote end closed connection
[08:32] <alvaro> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis sing?
[08:33] <stuNNed> fgubuntu: if you change all lines in /etc/apt/source.list where 'warty' to 'hoary' then do an 'apt-get update' then an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' you should be fine.  here is my sources.list though might be incomplete: http://pastebin.com/247106
[08:33] <stuNNed> fgubuntu: sources*
[08:34] <eyequeue> alvaro:  see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:35] <eyequeue> alvaro:  perhaps they changed prior to april
[08:36] <alvaro> so what do i do? : \
[08:36] <ompaul> alvaro, apt-get update is always good
[08:37] <alvaro> i already did that
[08:37] <fgubuntu> stuNNed, thx very much
[08:40] <eyequeue> alvaro:  read the content at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:40] <alvaro> i already did, do i add those lines in source.list? : \
[08:41] <eyequeue> alvaro:  make the changes it tells you to make
[08:42] <alvaro> i don't what is my distribution section : \ is it hoary?
[08:42] <alvaro> or warty?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> alvaro ,  cat /etc/issue
[08:43] <alvaro> put that in terminal?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> alvaro: yes
[08:43] <JimSinziger> Okay, I'm gonna flash now... I'll be back later! Bye!
[08:43] <thoreauputic> it will tell you which you have
[08:44] <alvaro> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[08:44] <alvaro> thats my issue
[08:44] <sig> what about it alvaro
[08:44] <thoreauputic> well, now you know, don't you?
[08:44] <alvaro> to add the backports thing
[08:44] <alvaro> what do i type in?
[08:45] <alvaro> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main universe multiverse restricted?
[08:45] <ompaul> alvaro, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <ompaul> alvaro, you add that line to that file
[08:45] <thoreauputic> alvaro: *sigh* do what it says to do on the backports site
[08:46] <alvaro> cant' i just gedit, im not comfortable working in the terminal lol
[08:46] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I never knew tech support involved running remedial reading classes  :/
[08:47] <alvaro> what do i add! :P
[08:47] <thoreauputic> alvaro: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:48] <alvaro> ok im in gedit now what?
[08:49] <alvaro> the example they give is for hoary in the backports site
[08:49] <eyequeue> now do what the website tells you to do
[08:49] <alvaro> so do i just replace hoary with warty?
[08:49] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it is not so much that I missed the telepathy classes due to them changing the times of class and not telling anyone :)
[08:49] <eyequeue> only if the website says to do that
[08:50] <thoreauputic> alvaro, I don't mean to be rude, but we really can't hold your hand through everything - you were here hours ago and people tried to help you, but we see little evidence that you have tried to learn anything
[08:50] <jjman> hey
[08:51] <zenrox> alvaro, read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:51] <eyequeue> sorry, i didn't know he was here hours back too
[08:51] <zenrox> or www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[08:51] <alvaro> DIE DIE DIE HAHAHAHAAH
[08:51] <alvaro> :P
[08:51] <jjman> can someone help me? everytime i try to install ubuntu it freezez when it loads some packages in the beginning
[08:51] <Brunellus> hello world
[08:52] <Brunellus> can anyone help me with an ndiswrapper problem?
[08:52] <jjman> is there a way i can do a floppy install/download the packages at install time from the internet?
[08:52] <ompaul> jjman at what point in the process does it fail?
[08:52] <alvaro> ok i did sudo apt-get update...
[08:52] <ompaul> jjman, which version of Ubuntu are you dealing with?
[08:52] <alvaro> then i did apt-get upgrade but the damn thing is slow downloading :S
[08:52] <jjman> when it tries to load the package for my nic card
[08:53] <silversurfer> same here alvaro
[08:53] <jjman> at the very beginnging after i input my keyboard settings
[08:53] <Brunellus> I can ping my access point, but I can't get anything else...
[08:53] <An00b15> can't play divx
[08:53] <An00b15> FF handles plugins poorly
[08:54] <alvaro> Get:1 http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main gimp-data 2.2.0+rel-2ubuntu1-4.10ubp1 [6065kB] 
[08:54] <alvaro> 20% [1 gimp-data 4501636/6065kB 74%]                             4233B/s 1h9m48s
[08:54] <An00b15> Hoary
[08:54] <alvaro> that is slow
[08:54] <regeya> alvaro, wrong source
[08:54] <crimsun> oh dear god, that is fugly versioning
[08:54] <An00b15> synaptic won't let me change repositories like I could in Warty
[08:54] <alvaro> well thats what it put when i do apt-get upgrade :S
[08:54] <jjman> anyone know whats going on?
[08:54] <Brunellus> can anybody here help me get my wlan up?
[08:55] <eyequeue> he still didn't follow what the web site said apparently
[08:55] <regeya> alvaro, replace http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net with http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports, then update
[08:55] <Brunellus> I've got ndiswrapper up, and I've been able to ping my acess point
[08:55] <Brunellus> but I can't seem to get anything else.
[08:55] <Brunellus> and I cant' work out why
[08:56] <regeya> alvaro: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:56] <elmaya> resolv.conf
[08:56] <Brunellus> ?
[08:56] <thoreauputic> regeya: good luck helping alavaro .... :/
[08:56] <jjman> ompaul I am using the Warty version
[08:56] <regeya> ?
[08:56] <regeya> whaddaya mean thoreauputic
[08:56] <thoreauputic> I wish you good luck, that's all
[08:57] <Brunellus> Ok.  no takers on an ndiswrapper question, then.
[08:57] <regeya> Brunellus, we secretly all know the answer and laugh at your pain.
[08:57] <Brunellus> sorry.
[08:58] <Brunellus> I'm just a bit vexed.  Everything else has gone so well
[08:58] <jjman> do you guys have any way to help me out
[08:58] <error_29> --- I gotta say I wish I had a round of cool hard cider to pass out to regeya and thoreauputic and all paaaaaaaaaatient tutors -----  !!
[08:59] <error_29> Good job guys
[08:59] <regeya> uh
[08:59] <error_29> you did your best :-)
[08:59] <thoreauputic> error_29: ;-)
[08:59] <regeya> heh
[08:59] <ompaul> jjman, now I ask you the second question, as the install process is several steps long what do you get done before it stops?
[09:00] <jjman> well it starts loading packages onto the computer
[09:00] <error_29> believe it or not, I go through that kind of thing for a living, but face to face, and not with computers
[09:00] <jjman> and it freezes at 36% with the the package for an nic card
[09:00] <ompaul> jjman, what kind of nic is on the machine?
[09:01] <jjman> sis intergrated
[09:01] <jjman> the install just freezes there
[09:01] <ompaul> :)
[09:01] <ompaul> jjman, okay so you can disable the nic in the bios until later
[09:01] <ompaul> that might help issues a little
[09:02] <zyme> is there any way i can get the w32codecs on an amd64 system?
[09:02] <alvaro_> im back
[09:02] <ompaul> so I notice
[09:02] <ompaul> :)
[09:02] <jjman> ok, ill try that and report back.
[09:02] <alvaro_> ok now when i do an apt-get update i get this:
[09:03] <alvaro_> E: Malformed line 27 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[09:03] <Brunellus> what puzzles me is that I don't have an NIC in the computer that's having a problem....
[09:03] <Brunellus> just a wlan card
[09:03] <crimsun> zyme: use the standard ones
[09:04] <Brunellus> so I don't undertand why I can ping my AP and can't get the internet
[09:04] <ompaul> alvaro_, now you need to edit the line as it says on the web page - exactly as it says
[09:04] <elmaya> Brunellus, check you resolv.conf...or route add default gw 192...blah blah
[09:05] <ompaul> Brunellus, also make sure that your ap is set up for more than one ip at a time
[09:05] <fgubuntu> Brunellus, is the default route set in the AP/router?
[09:06] <regeya> no, you're answering questions!  how can we sit back and laugh at others' pain if you help???!?
[09:06] <Brunellus> the AP is set for more than one AP at a time.  presently, two other machines connect to it
[09:07] <Brunellus> in fact, the AP gave the troublesome box an IP
[09:07] <error_29> (while you're hiding regeya, mind telling me how you folks get that neato asterisk thing happening?)
[09:07] <elmaya> did u ... route add default gw 192..... to your machine?
[09:07] <ompaul> Brunellus, well it is an issue that caught me out, even 10 years after doing my first install using a floppy :)
[09:07] <Brunellus> although, curiously, when I looked through the AP's logs, it didn't log a hostname!
[09:07] <ompaul> install of FLOSS that is
[09:07] <Brunellus> it's bizarre.
[09:07] <thoreauputic> error_29:  do  /me says something
[09:07] <ompaul> Brunellus, what ip has it got?
[09:07] <Brunellus> ummm....
[09:08] <ompaul> Brunellus, what ip the box that is
[09:08] <Brunellus> the troublebox?
[09:08] <gsuveg> anyone use fetchmail in daemon mode ?
[09:08] <ompaul> Brunellus, that would it
[09:08] <thoreauputic> error_29: you got it first time :)
[09:08] <Brunellus> got it.  it's running at 192.168.0.102
[09:09] <error_29> Actually, the second time thoreauputic -- you couldn't see the first time!
[09:09] <Brunellus> no hostname (strange)
[09:09] <thoreauputic> error_29: haha
[09:09] <elmaya> route add default gw....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[09:09] <Brunellus> elmaya:  is that at me, and if so what am I supposed to do?
[09:09] <error_29> ok i stop now
[09:10] <elmaya> as ruth... route add default gw (your router ip)
[09:10] <Brunellus> OK.
[09:10] <elmaya> that it root
[09:11] <Brunellus> gotyou.
[09:11] <Brunellus> "add default gw ROUTERIP"--what's that supposed to do?
[09:11] <regeya> asterisk...oh, heh.
[09:12] <ompaul> Brunellus, it helps the machine find the internet
[09:12] <Brunellus> gotcha.
[09:12] <thoreauputic> alvaro has quit (Read error:...  how appropriate
[09:12] <ompaul> ohh well
[09:13] <ompaul> thoreauputic, that is so cruel and so right
[09:13] <thoreauputic> ompaul: oh dear. my Ubuntu is slipping
[09:13] <error_29> and thoroughlytherapeutic, I'm sure
[09:14] <thoreauputic> error_29: glad to see someone gets the double pun in my  nick :)
[09:15] <thoreauputic> actually multiple pun but never mind
[09:15] <zenrox> wont go that far
[09:15] <error_29> I figured it had something to do with Walden Pond and some hijo de puta or something
[09:16] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I do think that leading a horse to water is the best one can do - drinking for the horse is pointless, in 10 years of internet use I have only used /ignore once - we all fail at times
[09:16] <ompaul> :)
[09:16] <thoreauputic> error_29: I get tired of my nick, but it's how people know me now so I stick with it
[09:17] <alvaro_> yo it upgraded
[09:17] <Tux-Rox> Anyone know where I could find mp3 support for gstreamer in hoary? A repository of some sort maybe?
[09:17] <alvaro_> and it says this i have options what do i do?
[09:17] <eyequeue> jef raskin died of cancer, per /.  :-(
[09:17] <alvaro_> Configuration file `/etc/gimp/2.0/gimprc'
[09:17] <alvaro_>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[09:17] <alvaro_>  ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
[09:17] <alvaro_>    What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[09:17] <alvaro_>     Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
[09:17] <alvaro_>     N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
[09:17] <alvaro_>       D     : show the differences between the versions
[09:17] <alvaro_>       Z     : background this process to examine the situation
[09:17] <peterotool> someone knows how to configure the resolution in the start menu screen
[09:17] <goldfish> omg
[09:17] <error_29> Calling Noah and the arc
[09:17] <thoreauputic> ompaul: that's very tolerant of you - I have used /ignore many times in #debian ;)
[09:18] <alvaro_> what do i do? :O
[09:18] <thoreauputic> alvaro_: accept the default - it's usually safe
[09:18] <eyequeue> most everyone here owes thanks to jef raskin, even if they don't realize, if they have used a modern gui
[09:19] <shock> hoi everyone - anyone here know how to change the font color nautilus uses on the desktop?
[09:19] <error_29> well, then, thank you jef raskin.
[09:19] <eyequeue> error_29:  heh (pioneer of the gui, named macintosh, etc)
[09:20] <Brunellus> i am such a moron
[09:20] <ompaul> alvaro_, depends on what your knowledge is - given your previous preformance I would say you should not do anything new - you should learn what you have for about a week or two and by then you most likely know a lot more :)
[09:20] <eyequeue> just felt like someone should mention it in here
[09:20] <goldfish> bitchx is the devil
[09:20] <error_29> thoroughlyhijodeputabitchx!
[09:20] <Brunellus> it's up now.  thanks for putting up with me so patiently guys
[09:21] <Libby> hello
[09:21] <alvaro_> yay it's getting w32 codecs!
[09:21] <alvaro_> HAHAHAHAAAHa
[09:21] <Tomcat_> @_@
[09:22] <myselfhimself> hi
[09:22] <myselfhimself> i'm having some problems displaying pngs inside gnome
[09:22] <myselfhimself> (they're displayed ok in firefox)
[09:23] <myselfhimself> where could it come from?
[09:23] <error_29> they aren't showing at all as thumbnails in nautilus, or they won't open with an image viewer?
[09:23] <ompaul> thoreauputic, wrt previous session - the first command I used was `man man` then man -k man then which man then tabbing from a to z I did lots of man letter - a lot of what I saw made little sense at the start by the end of that little adventure I knew a little more
[09:23] <myselfhimself> for more info I did an apt-get install nvidia* before that
[09:25] <bww021000> whoa
[09:25] <myselfhimself> I'm using icons for buttons on my gnome quick launch bar and in synaptic and firefox, some buttons have changed look... and when I launch those programs, I get message errors saying that a few files could not be displayed
[09:26] <myselfhimself> in short the pop up messages are get are "failed to load thing.png"
[09:26] <caseymorring> hey
[09:26] <myselfhimself> hey
[09:27] <bww021000> anyone know how to setup an apache server, and do i need to buy a domain name
[09:28] <eyequeue> sudo apt-get install apache2
[09:28] <myselfhimself> bww021000, install it first, then see if it works (launch it)
[09:29] <cscheng> Hs anyone already tried the xgl server in Hoary or Warty?
[09:29] <myselfhimself> bww021000, then you can suscribe to some site that redirects a certain adress to your ip
[09:29] <bww021000> alright, thanks, and then i can log on remotely with ssh and play
[09:30] <myselfhimself> i don't know
[09:30] <myselfhimself> i don't know if ssh works outside of a lan
[09:31] <myselfhimself> but you understood the way to do it better than I in my opinion
[09:31] <ompaul> myselfhimself, perhaps `apt-cache search icons | less` in one window and then have a look at the icons that are missing and see if you can match them to what you are using, but first have a look in /usr/share/pixmaps/ for the relevant icon graphics
[09:32] <ompaul> myselfhimself, ssh has to work outside of a lan otherwise the internet would be a lot less safe :)
[09:32] <myselfhimself> ompaul, some time ago, I looked to see if one *.png that the pop up msg box said it couldn't open wasn't there.. it still was there, in /usr/share/pixmaps
[09:32] <myselfhimself> i'll try your apt-cache thing
[09:33] <ompaul> myselfhimself, that can also be a theme issue
[09:34] <myselfhimself> what should I do with the list that apt-cache shows me?(i tried the command you said)
[09:34] <myselfhimself> I have those : gnome-icon-theme - GNOME Desktop icon theme
[09:34] <myselfhimself> gnome-themes - official themes for the GNOME 2 desktop
[09:35] <ompaul> myselfhimself,  apt-get install some_file_that_offers_icons_you_think_might_be_useful
[09:35] <Libby> i just installed ubuntu on my desktop pc, all went well but i cannot login (checked the keyboard settings and the password as login to see if its ok)
[09:35] <myselfhimself> i see that i'm missing the icons for gimp, xine and nautilus
[09:35] <ompaul> Libby, is the caps lock on?
[09:35] <Libby> no
[09:36] <shock> er... can i somehow hide the iconbar in nautilus (browser-mode) ?
[09:36] <shock> hm
[09:36] <Libby> login apears normally and i typed my password into the login box to check it
[09:36] <myselfhimself> Libby, try and type like you're an american keyboard (if you haven't one)
[09:36] <fgubuntu> Libby, i had that problem too
[09:36] <Libby> fgubuntu, how did you slove it?
[09:36] <Libby> solve even
[09:37] <myselfhimself> Libby, I had that problem as well, but I just reinstalled ubuntu
[09:37] <Libby> i did that three times allready
[09:37] <myselfhimself> : )
[09:37] <fgubuntu> Libby, i didn't. it seems a problem with locales and keyboard at install time. when i made italian install i had the prob, when i made english i didn't
[09:38] <Libby> oh
[09:38] <Libby> k
[09:38] <Libby> i made belgian install
[09:38] <myselfhimself> wesh le belge : )
[09:38] <myselfhimself> comment va bruxelles? : )
[09:38] <Libby> lut myselfhimself
[09:38] <myselfhimself> tu veux pas me faire qq gaufres? : )
[09:38] <fgubuntu> Libby, i think that happens something like this:
[09:39] <Libby> myselfhimself, j' ai tout mag tantt
[09:39] <Libby> dsole
[09:39] <myselfhimself> pas cool : )
[09:39] <Libby> fgubuntu, did you manage to change your keyboardsettings afterwards?
[09:40] <fgubuntu> when you type your user and pass the keyboard is set to english, then it changes map ( as you said to do ) and don't recognize the pass anymore
[09:40] <Libby> myselfhimself, il fait froid, je mange trop quand il neige
[09:40] <ompaul> libby you could try CTRL+ALT+F1 and try to log in there if you do put in a password that is all numbers for a couple of minutes then log in to gnome get the locale right and change your password - the command in a terminal is passwd
[09:40] <jjman> hey ugys
[09:40] <fgubuntu> Libby, you can do it after install
[09:40] <eyequeue> um
[09:40] <ompaul> jjman,  any use?
[09:40] <jjman> nope
[09:40] <jjman> same error
[09:40] <eyequeue> english?
[09:40] <jjman> well no error, just same hang up
[09:41] <jjman> i think it has something to do with my cd rom
[09:41] <Libby> k, thx ompaul , i'll try that
[09:41] <jjman> is there a way i can install from a floppy
[09:42] <Libby> if that doesn't  work i'll install as english keyboard
[09:42] <ompaul> jjman, not that I know of - if you want to grab hoary array 5 cdrom from cdimage.ubuntulinx.org - this I suggest is only for those who like yourself are having difficulties
[09:42] <ompaul> Libby, always good to install the same locale as keyboard :)
[09:43] <Libby> i believe i did that
[09:43] <Libby> but i guess not
[09:44] <ompaul> this one is fun: ls -R | xargs ogg123 -z
[09:45] <Libby> it says my login is incorrect
[09:46] <Yomic> How do you get into the Windows partition from linux?
[09:46] <Yomic> Also: How do you boot back into windows from linux?
[09:47] <goldfish> Yomic: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[09:47] <goldfish> for the first question
[09:47] <goldfish> well
[09:47] <goldfish> that section of the page
[09:47] <jjman> are you sure there is no floppy install?
[09:47] <Yomic> Alright, thanks.
[09:49] <alvaro_> HAHAH OH MAN HAHAHAHAHA
[09:49] <alvaro_> I got mplayer plugin for firefox yay!
[09:49] <goldfish> cool
[09:50] <ompaul> Libby, you could try single user mode - I have not done this in ubuntu so I do not know if you get issues about passwords
[09:51] <shock> damn.... my epiphany dies on me when I try to edit the toolbars :/
[09:51] <Libby> i'm reinstalling as english now
[09:52] <alvaro_> yo guys how do i take a screenshot of my desktop?
[09:52] <Libby> stragely the letters i use for login are in the same place, its prolly related to that
[09:52] <goldfish> alvaro_: in the menu
[09:52] <goldfish> alvaro_: system tools i think
[09:53] <Zeblown> is there no newer version from openoffice and thunderbird for ubuntu as 1.1.2 and 0.8?
[09:53] <kimcascone> anyone wanna help a newbie with an install problem?
[09:53] <fgubuntu> kimcascone, ask
[09:53] <Zeblown> we will try... :-)
[09:53] <kimcascone> cool
[09:53] <goldfish> kimcascone: whats wrong?
[09:53] <kimcascone> I am installing Ubuntu onto an iBook
[09:53] <shock> can someone please check if the epiphany browser works for him? Mine crashes when I go to "edit->toolbars"
[09:53] <shock> :(
[09:53] <kimcascone> and partitioned the drive
[09:53] <shock> man tis stinks
[09:53] <kimcascone> into 3 parts
[09:54] <kimcascone> all HFS+
[09:54] <kimcascone> the largest was 20g
[09:54] <kimcascone> thye other two were 20g and 500m or somehting
[09:54] <fgubuntu> kimcascone, what labels did u use?
[09:54] <kimcascone> I then had some partition shuffling wiht the install
[09:54] <kimcascone> making a swap and a boot New World
[09:55] <kimcascone> parts
[09:55] <kimcascone> the rest of the install went ok until after the updating of the pakgs
[09:55] <kimcascone> then it dumped me into aptitude and gave me an error msg
[09:55] <kimcascone> so I q and now when I reboot it dumps me into the bash shell no Gnome
[09:56] <kimcascone> what did I do wrong?
[09:56] <fgubuntu> what is your runlevel?
[09:56] <kimcascone> 2 I think
[09:56] <Yomic> That faq fails
[09:56] <fgubuntu> kimcascone, look at /etc/inittab
[09:56] <Yomic> :(
[09:57] <ompaul> kimcascone, sudo runlevel will give you the answer
[09:57] <kimcascone> ok
[09:57] <kimcascone> what do I look for in  intitab?
[09:57] <Yomic> Apparently I don't have a windows partition anymore ;-:
[09:57] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: are you dual booting with OS-X?
[09:57] <kimcascone> ja I am trying to but the yaboot is only showing me Linux old when I tab
[09:59] <fgubuntu> kimcascone, what about /path/to/yabootconfile?
[09:59] <shock> /etc/yaboot.conf ?
[09:59] <kimcascone> where is that path set? is this listed in the inittab?
[10:00] <shock> u need to have this line in your /etc/yaboot.conf to boot into osx
[10:00] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: sounds like you did it the hard way - I just used the disc utility in OS-X to make two partitions, rinstalled OS-X then instaled Ubuntu on the spare space I had created on the second partition, and let the installer do the set up
[10:00] <shock> macosx=/dev/hda3
[10:00] <shock> (only if osx is on your hda3 ofc)
[10:00] <shock> then it should give you the option "press x for osx"
[10:00] <kimcascone> no that's whjat I did
[10:00] <kimcascone> I partitioned using the disk util
[10:00] <shock> did u run ybin ?
[10:00] <kimcascone> then installed OSX again
[10:00] <shock> afterwards?
[10:01] <kimcascone> but I did the manual part6ition
[10:01] <trans_err> is anyone else using hoary notice the complete brokeness of gnome-vfs for samba (and possibly more)
[10:01] <kimcascone> all the parts I made were HFS+
[10:01] <fgubuntu> kimcascone, if the prob is dual boot it doesn't due to inittab anymore, sorry...
[10:01] <jjman> shounldt i be able to install the unbuntu iso image using loadlin?
[10:01] <trans_err> kimcascone: you can't install ubuntu on a hfs+
[10:02] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: ah - I didn't do manual partitioning - I just let Ubuntu do that automagically...
[10:02] <Libby> think i found what the prob is
[10:02] <fgubuntu> Libby, tell me
[10:02] <kimcascone> should I go back and wipe and star over?
[10:02] <kimcascone> start
[10:02] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: Ubuntu needs to have a blank space to install on
[10:02] <Libby> first letter of login cannot be a capital
[10:03] <kimcascone> yes but what sort of file sys?
[10:03] <Libby> it gives a warning in the english version
[10:03] <trans_err> kimcascone: just wipe, repartition, leave free space for ubuntu, install osx, and install ubuntu
[10:03] <kimcascone> HFS+ or Unix
[10:03] <kimcascone> ?
[10:03] <trans_err> kimcascone: free space
[10:03] <Libby> but doesnt in the duthc one, just continues to install
[10:03] <fgubuntu> Libby, it could be that
[10:03] <kimcascone> free space is not an option in the disk utils?
[10:03] <trans_err> kimcascone: let the ubuntu install partition and format the freespace
[10:03] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: just create only one partition for OS-X - leave the rest free
[10:03] <kimcascone> ah OK
[10:03] <trans_err> kimcascone: it is-- just dont partition some
[10:03] <kimcascone> how large a free space?
[10:03] <Libby> it accepted it and continued to install, but then its invalid if i tried to use it
[10:04] <fgubuntu> Libby, but i hade same prob using regular letters ( not capital )
[10:04] <trans_err> kimcascone: depends how much you want in linux
[10:04] <kimcascone> ok 2g enuf?
[10:04] <Libby> i can safely relinstall agian in dutch if it works
[10:04] <trans_err> kimcascone: i would suggest 5 at the least
[10:04] <Libby> maybe its something else then
[10:04] <jintxo> hey guys :-) in hoary, the applications:// URL doesn't work anymore in nautilus, right? anyone know what files I need to edit to edit my menus?
[10:04] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: whatever you decide - I made it about 15G I think but less is OK
[10:04] <Libby> but this was the errormessage i got installing in english which it didn't give in dutch
[10:04] <shock> I have 40 G linux :P
[10:04] <goldfish> 40
[10:04] <goldfish> haha
[10:04] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: 2g is not enough
[10:05] <trans_err> shock: and then there are those of us that don't dual boot :D
[10:05] <shock> on me powerbook... left only 20 for OSX
[10:05] <kimcascone> I only have a 15g HD in the iBook
[10:05] <goldfish> I left 20 for ubuntu
[10:05] <goldfish> dual booting
[10:05] <jos1> has there been any success in getting the areo extrme card to work with ubuntu?
[10:05] <trans_err> kimcascone: do 10/5
[10:05] <fgubuntu> Libby, i think that when you type pass the keyboard is still set to english the you reboot you got a dutch keyboard with "english pass", but this is only my opinion, i could be wrong
[10:05] <shock> I need osx for university - am developing a lib based on OGL
[10:05] <trans_err> jos1: no-- and probably never will
[10:05] <kimcascone> cool thanks!
[10:05] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: try to leave at least 4 or 5G then
[10:05] <shock> I need the float extensions :/
[10:06] <trans_err> jos1: just get a usb dongle
[10:06] <jos1> that's too bad, thanks trans_err
[10:06] <Libby> fgubuntu, could still be that too
[10:06] <trans_err> jos1: blame broadcom
[10:06] <Libby> its still installing now
[10:06] <Libby> i'll let you know if i do get in
[10:06] <shock> jos1 - bad indeed - but I prefer wires anyway
[10:06] <shock> too many sniffeers out there
[10:06] <jos1> trans_err: yeah I know
[10:06] <fgubuntu> Libby, ok.
[10:06] <jos1> shock: yeah. my apartment setup won't allow for them
[10:08] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[10:08] <goldfish> hi
[10:08] <shadeofgrey> anybody know why the 1.01 update to firefox hasnt hit the ubuntu update manager yet?
[10:09] <net_benjo> hi all
[10:09] <shock> hoi
[10:09] <goldfish> hai
[10:09] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I would imagine because it hasn't been packaged yet
[10:10] <regeya> someone must package it before it's available, mmm, yes
[10:10] <thoreauputic> don't know
[10:10] <net_benjo> does anybody know how to automatically mount fat32 partition so that non-root user can read and write to it?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: in /etc/fstab,  with umask=002 and option users
[10:11] <goldfish> net_benjo: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat
[10:12] <jjman> anyone have an idea of how i can install unbuntu from the iso on my hard drive without actually burning it?
[10:12] <net_benjo> thoreaputic:  why umaks=002?  I have found more than one source online that says to use umask=000, but that does not work for me..., so Im just curuiosu why umask=000 does not work?
[10:12] <net_benjo> thoreaputic;  btw..thanks for your advice...
[10:13] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: I'm just saying what bob2 told us here, to be honest
[10:13] <net_benjo> alright..thank you very much...I hope that works
[10:13] <thoreauputic> bob2 is pretty clued, so I belive him
[10:13] <thoreauputic> *believe
[10:13] <net_benjo> well I'll have to thank bob2 if this works..
[10:14] <ompaul> Libby, how?
[10:14] <shadeofgrey> thor:  do you think its oikay to just download the 1.01 installer off mozilla .or -- ??
[10:15] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I guess so
[10:16] <shadeofgrey> ompaul:  what about you what o you think?
[10:16] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might run into complications with java/flash/plugins
[10:16] <mroth> just wait till they package it, there's nothing exciting added in .01
[10:16] <shadeofgrey> okay
[10:16] <shadeofgrey> fair enough
[10:16] <Libby> ompaul, i treinstalled pretending i was having an american keyboard
[10:16] <Libby> added dutch now and it works fine
[10:16] <ompaul> Libby, now you can enjoy
[10:17] <mrt> Hi. how can i configure Bluefish, so i can test my php files in Firefox? i need that ff opens url like http: //localhost/directory/file.php
[10:17] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: since on the whole I detest java and flash, I just have mozilla set up for them in case of need...
[10:17] <thoreauputic> mroth: there's a rather important security change in 1.0.1
[10:18] <thoreauputic> anti-phishing/URL spoofing
[10:18] <mroth> only if you are the type of person who likes to click on "CHANGE UR PAYPAL PASSWORD NOW!" emails
[10:18] <thoreauputic> mroth: true :)
[10:18] <Libby> thx for your help people
[10:18] <ompaul> mrt, that would be via using the "button" in 'external' on the meny
[10:18] <streetbmx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=80172
[10:18] <Libby> imight be back if i don't manage to get on line :-)
[10:18] <ompaul> Mrt that might be menu btw
[10:19] <ompaul> Libby, and if you do get online ?
[10:19] <mrt> yes. but it opens php file for download
[10:19] <net_benjo> thoreaputic:  umask=002 did not work for me....
[10:19] <Libby> i'll come back from the machine in question to let you know :-)
[10:19] <net_benjo> I'll double check ubuntu forums..to see if there's antying there..
[10:20] <Libby> cu later
 why not just add it with noauto ?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: hmm - i have uid=1000 gid=1000 in mine: might work for you
[10:20] <ompaul> mrt sorry, I re read what you asked you are really proof reading your site - so really what you want is http:// so you need to run php / apache on your local box
[10:20] <shock> i think gnome remembers the last mounted partitions, no? (sorry if I'm wrong - on a laptop so i hardly reboot)
[10:20] <shock> :P
[10:21] <karl_> hello,
[10:21] <ompaul> karl_ hi
[10:21] <net_benjo> thoreaputic:  thanks...I'll give that a try..i don't see much on the forums
[10:22] <dafox7> anybody was able to fix the problem with the nvidia drivers ?
[10:22] <mrt> ompaul im running php/apache but all i need is command for bluefish for browser prewiev
[10:22] <Nekohayo> anyone comfortable with the rename command?
[10:22] <karl_> I'm tying to install asterisk and i ve this error configure: error: termcap support not found
[10:22] <karl_>  does anyoen know wats wrong?
[10:22] <statico> Nekohayo: yes
[10:23] <statico> Nekohayo: make sure you copy the directory before renaming, just to be sure :)
[10:23] <Nekohayo> statico, I'm trying to use rename to remove accents from my filenames. I could use rename "s/@/_a_/" *  to remove the @ signs, but I can't make it work with , , etc
[10:23] <ompaul> mrt, it is an editor now you want it do none editor stuff like convert the interenals of your web site into a url to pass to mozilla - I do not know if it will do that
[10:23] <thoreauputic> karl_: try apt-cache search termcap perhaps
[10:23] <dreamminder> hi, any know whats the problem with udev, gnome-volum, etc???
[10:23] <goldfish> Has anyone set up ircd-hybrid 7 on ubuntu?
[10:23] <dreamminder> hal, etc?
[10:24] <ompaul> mrt, I will look at the help and if you do the same we both might manage to find something that helps there
[10:24] <thoreauputic> karl_: there's a termcap-compat in there - don't know if it would help
[10:24] <statico> Nekohayo: eeek, that's beyond me. but first, use single quotes instead of doubles in case there's some wonky shell interpolation. second, you might have to use utf8 stuff.
[10:24] <statico> Nekohayo: perldoc utf8
[10:24] <Nekohayo> statico, thanks for the tip
[10:24] <alvaro_> on x-chat how can i change the name 'New Network' to 'Ubuntu' for example?
[10:24] <mrt> ompaul ok. thanks
[10:24] <statico> Nekohayo: depending on your configuration, you might have to do something like 's/\x{290c}/e/g' or something
[10:25] <owen_> what's the release date for hoary stable?
[10:25] <Nekohayo> statico, thanks, I'll try again
[10:25] <stuNNed> owen_: like april 4th or soemthing
[10:25] <ompaul> mrt the only thing I can find is the open url button on the File menu
[10:25] <owen_> thanks
[10:26] <statico> Nekohayo: perldoc perlunicode
[10:27] <statico> search for 'regular expressions' :)
[10:27] <dreamminder> anybody knowk about a page with great ubuntu grub images????
[10:27] <statico> rebooting is for adding new hardware ;)
[10:28] <ompaul> mrt given that each site is different I think that you might be better off if you were to write a script that would let you launch firefox/mozilla/whatever taking the url as part of an arguement that you pass to it
[10:28] <thoreauputic> and new kernels :)
[10:28] <karl_> thoreauputic : I don't undersatn what youu mean with termcao-compat?
[10:28] <samuella> Hi. I'm trying to install java VM, and I'm having a little trouble... I opened root terminal and ran the java self extractor, but it installed into the user dir instead of the root dir. how can i fix this?
[10:29] <thoreauputic> karl_: if you type apt-cache search termcap you will see there's a "termcap-compat" package - I thought that might help is all
[10:29] <karl_> ok
[10:29] <thoreauputic> then sudo apt-get install termcap-compat and see if it helps with your error
[10:29] <aran> has anyone reading this had any luck with Beagle?
[10:30] <dreamminder> what is an ubuntu array???
[10:30] <samuella> :(
[10:30] <mrt> ompaul i dont know how to write a script. then i'll just type my address into browser to test my php files. but thanks for helping
[10:31] <Jerub> dreamminder: I asked google your questionn and got this: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-February/004079.html
[10:31] <karl_> thoreauputic: cannot find the paket termcap-compat
[10:32] <Jerub> karl_: package, and do you have universe in your sources.list ?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> karl_: do you have universe enabled?
[10:32] <ompaul> dreamminder, it is a release of ubuntu that makes a stage in development towards the next release (the last release being warty warhog), when hoary hedgehog gets to be release then it no longer gets called array
[10:32] <karl_> how can i check it?
[10:33] <Quest-Master> http://www.linuxos.sk/downloads/wallpapers/Kill%20Bill%201024.jpg <-- coolest wallpaper ever
[10:33] <thoreauputic> karl_: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:33] <ompaul> dreamminder, at that time fun will be had with bendy badger the next in line, and grumpy groundhog after that
[10:33] <thoreauputic> karl_: or go to synaptic settings >> repositories
[10:33] <dafox7> well, I use Ubuntu, I did everything according to the guide, but I don"t have any nvidia modules in /lib/modules/kernel-version/nvidia
[10:33] <ompaul> mrt, no worries, enjoy
[10:34] <ompaul> ahh
[10:34] <ompaul> that would be a bit late then
[10:34] <dreamminder> thanks
[10:35] <dreamminder> Jerub, did you know where can i get ubuntu develop projects
[10:35] <ompaul> Quest-Master, hehehe
[10:35] <dreamminder> i want to develop for ubunut!
[10:35] <zul> dreamminder: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[10:37] <rtylershaw> Hey, can anyone out there help a newbie get his mouse working?
[10:37] <dreamminder> jajjaa, what's you mouse?
[10:37] <dreamminder> model?
[10:38] <karl_> thoreauptic: What do you mean by repositories?, I've the french version, i'm not sure to be at the good place...
[10:38] <rtylershaw> A standard Logitech USB mouse. I get an error: -19 message during boot.
[10:39] <dreamminder> you've hoary o warty??
[10:39] <rtylershaw> warty
[10:39] <thoreauputic> karl_: in synaptic under settings, there should be a section to define the archives from which packages are retrieved
[10:39] <codyman> hi.. i'm trying to access a printer that is connected to a windows machine... i am using the wiki here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba and following the 10 instructions at the bottom.. but when I try to log into cups and it asks for my user/password i can't get in
[10:39] <dreamminder> check the /etc/X11/XF...conf
[10:40] <dreamminder> look at the mouse section
[10:40] <dreamminder> check possible errors
[10:40] <thoreauputic> karl_: par exemple,  main retricted universe
[10:40] <dreamminder> you mouse did not work==???
[10:40] <thoreauputic> *restricted
[10:42] <rtylershaw> XF86Config specifies IMPS/2 as the protocol, when I don't have a PS/2 mouse attached.
[10:42] <CraHan> in hoary, how can I suspend to ram when closing the lid of the laptop?
[10:43] <codyman> any ideas on accessing a printer thats connected to windows xp and being able to use that printer here on ubuntu?
[10:43] <CraHan> calling the suspend.sh script manually works
[10:43] <CraHan> but I'd like it to be run when I close the lid
[10:43] <CraHan> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto <--- tried that
[10:43] <mud_> i hava a logitech mx310 in hoary and it says ps/2 and it works
[10:43] <CraHan> but the acpi stuff doesn't seem to be up to date
[10:44] <jk> CraHan: change the /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn script to call the suspend.sh script
[10:44] <dreamminder> it's very freak
[10:44] <CraHan> jk thanks
[10:44] <dreamminder> prove searching google with this model and linux word
[10:44] <net_benjo> thoreauputic:  I just wanted to let you know that what you told me worked for me....now I have full read/write access to my FAT32!  thanks a bunch
[10:45] <thoreauputic> net_benjo: :D  That's good! enjoy....
[10:46] <AndyR> lo all
[10:46] <ompaul> hi
[10:46] <net_benjo> I will....cheers!!!
[10:46] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:46] <mud_> is location /dev/input/mice??
[10:46] <karl_> thoreauputic: to be sure i'm in the good place, control panel => system configuration => synaptic ?
[10:47] <mud_> karl yes
[10:47] <thoreauputic> karl_: you will know if you are in "synaptic" - it says so on the window bar :)
[10:48] <mud_> hit alt+f1 type synaptic
[10:48] <mud_> sorry alt+f2
[10:48] <AndyR> any ideas why skype would work on 1 box and not on another with hoary same packages on both?
[10:49] <karl_> I'm in synaptic packet "configurator" (i try to translate ;)
[10:49] <thoreauputic> karl_: so go to settings and check repositories ( don't know what that would be in the french version - second one down)
[10:49] <ompaul> AndyR, same skype version?
[10:49] <ompaul> AndyR, different audio cards ?
[10:49] <AndyR> ompaul, yes
[10:49] <mud_> different hardware?
[10:49] <trans_err> in KDE, gaim scrolls when my mouse moves up or down... anyone know any fix?
[10:50] <AndyR> ompaul, diff audio, but both work with all other sounds
[10:50] <ompaul> AndyR, is the mic switched on ?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> karl_: left side of "help", second entry in drop-down
[10:50] <AndyR> on 1 skype just hangs
[10:50] <ompaul> AndyR, have a look in alsamixer and see if you can help tere
[10:51] <zyme> whats a good audio cd burning program?
[10:51] <jk> CraHan: your acpi config seems different from what is in hoary. ie, the suspend.sh script doesn't exist (anymore) in hoary. The directions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM are correct for me at least
[10:51] <AndyR> zyme, i use k3b
[10:51] <Yomic> Why is my soundcard not being detected on Ubuntu? (Win32 compatable)
[10:51] <CraHan> jk ok thanks
[10:52] <zyme> ok
[10:52] <CraHan> jk I meant sleep.sh
[10:52] <karl_> ok all is checked  the uri is http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:52] <CraHan> error on my part
[10:52] <ompaul> Yomic, why do you say it is not being detected?
[10:52] <rtylershaw> mud_ : yes, location is /dev/input/mice, should it be mouse0?
[10:52] <AndyR> ompaul, they are both using oss setup in multimedia sellector
[10:52] <thoreauputic> karl_: tu sais qu'il y a un canal #ubuntu-fr  ?
[10:52] <Yomic> I can't see it on my hardware manager.
[10:52] <Yomic> Hey, Miles.
[10:53] <CraHan> although for some strange reason, after I close and open the lid, the system thinks I hit the powerbutton and shuts down
[10:53] <CraHan> closing the lid makes the machine go to sleep
[10:53] <codyman> how do you add a user to cups?
[10:53] <GarySaved> How different is Ubuntu from the main Debian distribution?
[10:54] <Xappe> codyman, probably in the cups.conf file
[10:54] <Xappe> hmm, or cupsd.conf
[10:54] <codyman> Xappe: where's that located
[10:54] <karl_> thoreauputic: yes i know but i receive no answer on my question ;)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: similar in most respects
[10:54] <codyman> isn't there a command like "sudo adduser" to do that?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> karl_: OK :)
[10:54] <Xappe> codyman, are you going to add a network user?
[10:55] <codyman> Xappe: yes.. i'm trying to connect to a printer that is connected to a windows xp machine that has printer sharing
[10:55] <karl_> thoreauputic: I've to change main restricted by universe?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> karl_: no, don't change - just add
[10:55] <streetbmx> is  there a quick way to disable framebuffer in ubuntu?
[10:56] <Yomic> ompaul: I can't see it on my hardware manager.
[10:56] <karl_> thoreauputic: with the same URI?
[10:56] <GarySaved> I have Debian installed on my hard drive.  I just tried that live CD boot and it is pretty sharp.  Wondering what reasons there are to switch.
[10:56] <Xappe> codyman, /etc/cups
[10:56] <thoreauputic> karl_: it may be easier to just do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe lines (remove the # sign)
[10:56] <karl_> ok
[10:57] <Xappe> codyman, i've only done it the other way around though...sharing the printer with cups
[10:57] <sabot4ge> im with probles triyin to make the combinatio vga ati + mobo nforce2 works in ubuntu
[10:58] <sabot4ge> the agpgart module seems to not recognize the nforce2 agp
[10:58] <code-fox> hi all. how can I enable my cdwriter in nautilus? it can only write iso's
[10:58] <codyman> Xappe: read the last ten steps at the bottom: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[10:58] <mud_> sabotage: u in hoary or warty
[10:58] <sabot4ge> and the ati driver its not working (when i use fglrxinfo still mesa tshowing up)
[10:59] <thoreauputic> streetbmx: you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure  -plow xserver-xfree86  and say "no" to the framebuffer question
[10:59] <ompaul> Yomic, if you fire up a terminal and do `sudo su` and `cd /proc` you can check if there is any mention of it there, if there is you can most likely do something - if not then you need to talk with uncle google
[10:59] <sabot4ge> warty
[10:59] <keknehv__> Where can I find a torrent of the Hoary CD?
[10:59] <sabot4ge> mud_, warty
[10:59] <pinguvin> is anyone else having trouble with apt-get upgrade? i get crap speed on some of the upgrades
[10:59] <mud_> i just got drivers working in hoary
[10:59] <streetbmx> thanks, i'll try that
[10:59] <mud_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12357
[11:00] <mud_> sab: run fglrxconfig choose y for external agp
[11:00] <sabot4ge> mud_,  i looked at the .config file of my current kernel (2.6.8.1) and the nvidia-agp is compiled like module
[11:00] <sabot4ge> it seems normal
[11:00] <mud_> minese module
[11:00] <sabot4ge> but it doest work =(
[11:01] <Xappe> codyman, seems easier to just share the printer from ubuntu :)
[11:01] <mud_> mine is
[11:01] <sabot4ge> mud_, how?
[11:01] <sabot4ge> mud_, kernel 2.6.10?
[11:01] <karl_> thoreauputic: I try to compil asterisk after install of termcap-compat, i have the same error
[11:01] <CraHan> funky
[11:01] <CraHan> laptop thinks I wanna shut it down when I open the lid again
[11:01] <mud_> i have 2.6.10-3-386
[11:01] <CraHan> time to go back to apm
[11:01] <Tarkus> hey, im really new to ubuntu linux, and im wondering how to install linux software (n00b question)
[11:02] <crimsun> Tarkus: use Synaptic
[11:02] <thoreauputic> karl_: sorry - I can only make suggestions: i know nothing about asterisk I'm afraid
[11:02] <mud_> tarkus use synaptic
[11:02] <Tarkus> ok
[11:02] <Tarkus> thnx
[11:02] <aran> any Hoary users out there w/ Beagle?
[11:02] <karl_> no problem, thanks for your help ;)
[11:02] <carrot> BEAGLE? i thought beagle was barely implemented
[11:02] <mud_> hey sabotage i reccomend ubuntu forums for good info on ati install
[11:03] <CraHan> aran: tried installing it this morning, but there were some mono libs that were out of date to compile the beagle cvs version; so I bailed out
[11:03] <StoffBox-steve> Salut, all :)
[11:03] <sabot4ge> mud_, i read everything about ati there, but still not working
[11:03] <Ex-Cyber> is Radeon support broken on 2.6.11 or what?
[11:03] <sabot4ge> mud_, i was tryning to resolve without recompiling the kernel... but it seemd module problem
[11:03] <mud_> did u fglrxconfig?
[11:04] <code-fox> how can I enable my cdwriter in nautilus? it can only write iso's
[11:04] <mud_> all i can tell u is i have nforce2 and i didnt recompile kernel and it works great
[11:04] <StoffBox-steve> someone have a link about Backup ? i want to backup my whole system!
[11:04] <bob2> you don't need to recompile your kernel for drivers
[11:05] <bob2> Tarkus: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:05] <mud_> sabotage: did u run fglrxconfig?
[11:05] <BrianAnthony> how would I just replace something in a a file. like a word
[11:05] <BrianAnthony> isn't it something to do you s/word/newword
[11:05] <thoreauputic> code-fox: if you are on warty look here: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[11:05] <aran> crahan: thanks... I thought something like that was going on
[11:05] <bob2> BrianAnthony: with sed.
[11:05] <carrot> sed is a bitch
[11:05] <thoreauputic> for gnome-baker (CD writer)
[11:05] <carrot> but useful
[11:05] <BrianAnthony> sed file.txt s/word/newword?
[11:05] <bob2> sed's easy
[11:05] <bob2> BrianAnthony: no
[11:06] <bob2> BrianAnthony: sed -e's/foo/bar/' < ./oldfile > ./newfile
[11:06] <code-fox> thoreauputic, thanks. i'm on hoary, but i'll take a look
[11:06] <BrianAnthony> can it keep the same filename?
[11:06] <bob2> BrianAnthony: no
[11:06] <bob2> BrianAnthony: you have to move the file yourself
[11:06] <thoreauputic> code-fox: last time I looked the hoary dir was empty :(
[11:07] <code-fox> thoreauputic, yeah it is :/
[11:07] <BrianAnthony> bob2: I just wnat to change a word in a file. this would make a new file?
[11:07] <code-fox> any ideas why my device doesnt show up? it used to with warty
[11:07] <bob2> BrianAnthony: yes
[11:07] <thoreauputic> code-fox: graveman is another possibility
[11:07] <bob2> BrianAnthony: then move the new over the old
[11:07] <bob2> or use some other tool
[11:07] <BrianAnthony> bob2: is there something that woulnd't do that? I want to change my apt sources.list file
[11:07] <code-fox> i'd like to fix the problem with nautilus, since I find that the simplest app
[11:07] <bob2> BrianAnthony: er, just edit it then
[11:08] <bob2> BrianAnthony: vi /etc/apt/sources.list, then :%s/foo/bar/
[11:08] <bob2> I assume oyu mean s/warty/hoary/
[11:08] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[11:09] <thoreauputic> code-fox: burn:/// doesn't work?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> code-fox: should be able to drag and drop to there to burn a CD
[11:09] <code-fox> thoreauputic, the window comes up. but when i do file -> burn, my device doesn't show up. just output to iso
[11:09] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:11] <Quest-Master> Hey guys
[11:11] <JDigital`> This is entirely off-topic, but do any of you guys knows how to use Rational Rose for use case modelling? I have this coursework that I really need to do this dealy but I can't work out how to draw boxes.
[11:11] <Quest-Master> Is Expocity in X.Org as fast as the Expose on Mac OS X?
[11:11] <darmou> How do you change from XFree86 to x.org?
[11:12] <BrianAnthony> bob2: how would I rename a file?
[11:12] <bob2> darmou: you change from warty to hoary
[11:12] <bob2> BrianAnthony: mv
[11:12] <JDigital`> What's the difference between xfree86 and x.org
[11:12] <Quest-Master> Anybody who uses Hoary who would know the answer to my question?
[11:12] <Quest-Master> :?
[11:12] <Quest-Master> X.Org is a branch off of XF86 which is faster, has more features, and so on
[11:12] <bob2> JDigital`: not much
[11:12] <darmou> bob2 I have upgraded to hoary so hoary uses x.org by default now?
[11:12] <bob2> Quest-Master: I doubt anyone knows
[11:13] <bob2> darmou: if you have ubuntu-desktop installed, yes
[11:13] <Quest-Master> bob2: No one has Hoary? :o
[11:13] <bob2> I doubt anyone has benchmarked it
[11:13] <shad0w1e> Hi, I'm trying to add an entry to my fstab file, but it has a space in it. How do I go about doing that?
[11:13] <bob2> why don't you just try it?
[11:13] <bob2> it's probably a ton slower, tho, composite isn't accelerated aiui
[11:14] <crimsun> shad0w1e: use quotes ("") around the entire entry
[11:14] <shad0w1e> I tried that...
[11:14] <shad0w1e> I'll past it in:
[11:14] <crimsun> shad0w1e: echo "foo like this" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[11:15] <shad0w1e> /JAYS/"My Documents" /mnt/network/jays/"My Documents"  smbfs  username=jay,password=password,umask=000 0 0
[11:15] <shad0w1e> no i mean
[11:15] <shad0w1e> ...
[11:15] <shad0w1e> sorry
[11:15] <fgubuntu> hi devs
[11:15] <shad0w1e> "//JAYS/My Documents" "/mnt/network/jays/My Documents"  smbfs  username=jay,password=password,umask=000 0 0
[11:15] <shad0w1e> did not work
[11:16] <fgubuntu> do yu think ndiswrapper will belong to next CD?
[11:17] <shad0w1e> it was so easy to install anyway...
[11:17] <shock> I hate those disconnects!
[11:18] <AndyR> fgubuntu, its in hoary AFAIK
[11:19] <fgubuntu> AndyR, i hope so. it is probably the most used wireless driver
[11:19] <shad0w1e> why is it giving me "line 12 in fstab is bad"
[11:19] <shad0w1e> "//JAYS/My Documents" "/mnt/network/jays/My Documents"  smbfs username=jay,password=password,umask=000 0 0
[11:20] <Yomic> Uh, I think I nuked my windows partition...
[11:20] <ssam> some thing is wrong with your /etc/fstab file
[11:20] <shad0w1e> that is the line...
[11:20] <ssam> should it be passwd ?
[11:21] <shad0w1e> no
[11:21] <shad0w1e> the other lines work fine
[11:21] <shad0w1e> it's got something to do with the " "
[11:21] <ssam> can you do "\ " (slash space) for your spaces instaed
[11:22] <shad0w1e> let me try..
[11:22] <caseymorring> hey this is just my second day using linux and im trying to download some stuff using get-app and pretty much copying from ubuntuguide.org but it says that it cant find the package...can someone please help me
[11:23] <ssam> caseymorring try using synaptic
[11:23] <shock> apt-get ?
[11:23] <shad0w1e> nope..
[11:23] <shock> u should stick to synaptic - its nice
[11:23] <shock> 4 beginners
[11:23] <shock> =)
[11:23] <ssam> its a much easier than apt
[11:23] <caseymorring> but can you get anything from synaptic?
[11:24] <ssam> its nice for experienced people too
[11:24] <BrianAnthony> bob2 it didn't work
[11:24] <BrianAnthony> it just printed the file
[11:24] <ssam> shad0w1e i dunno then
[11:24] <JDahl> shock, why does a gui necessarily make things easier? what can be easier than apt-get install, or even aptitude? and what do you if X wont start?
[11:24] <aeolist> hello everyone
[11:24] <carrot> caseymorring, synaptic is an interface for apt-get
[11:25] <caseymorring> ok i have one more question...i cant get music to play..i have sound but just no music
[11:25] <shad0w1e> well, thanks...
[11:25] <ssam> is there a synaptic howto somewhere
[11:25] <AndyR> caseymorring, what music?
[11:25] <caseymorring> a cd
[11:26] <AndyR> is it classical? :)
[11:26] <caseymorring> dave matthews
[11:26] <ssam> jdahl, because to select something from a lsit you dont need to know exactly how it is spelt
[11:26] <AndyR> ubuntu only likes rock :))
[11:27] <JDahl> ssam, so use apt-cache search?
[11:27] <caseymorring> like the cd player will start playing
[11:27] <caseymorring> just no sound
[11:27] <caseymorring> and i messed with the volume and stuff...everythings good
[11:27] <ssam> you still might for example try, apt-get xine, and wonder why it did not work
[11:27] <Yomic> Sound card mustn't be supported.
[11:27] <Yomic> Like me.
[11:27] <AndyR> caseymorring, only joking
[11:27] <ssam> unless you manage to guess that its xine-ui you want
[11:28] <JDahl> ssam, or even the regular sed/awk '/' search from aptitude?
[11:28] <AndyR> caseymorring, does your comp have a cd audio lead in it?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> caseymorring: you probably need digital playback - your cd -rom is possibly not wired to the soound card
[11:28] <caseymorring> my sound card wouldnt work
[11:29] <ssam> its far easier to look in the multimedia section of synaptic, and read a few descriptions and then click on the one you want
[11:29] <AndyR> win xp doesnt use the audio lead for playing cd, but linux does
[11:29] <caseymorring> so i just plugged into the onboard sound
[11:29] <caseymorring> and then it worked...for noises atleast
[11:29] <thoreauputic> caseymorring: see above: you can configure xmms or beep-medi-player to play digitally
[11:30] <AndyR> do you have the audio lead between cd and sound?
[11:30] <ssam> doesn't xmms have a cdda (cd digital audio) plugin
[11:30] <caseymorring> yes
[11:30] <aeolist> andyr, do all linux progs need that audio line?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> ssam: yes it does
[11:31] <thoreauputic> you just configure hte plug in to use digital
[11:31] <ssam> jdahl, i suppose you'd rather type firefox www.ubuntulinux.org, than use a bookmark that you click on
[11:31] <AndyR> thoreauputic, says not above but i thought it did
[11:31] <thoreauputic> AndyR: I use it here! I'm listening to it!
[11:32] <ssam> personally i use grip to import all my music and play it as oggs
[11:32] <JDahl> ssam, no, I am not CLI freak - But I dont see what extra synaptic has to offer (other than pretty buttons)... and it's nice to be able to repair your system without X, or even update other machines via ssh
[11:32] <zyme> ok, so i used apt-get install k3b and tried to run k3b from the terminal and got this:
[11:33] <zyme> kdesu: /lib/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.3.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3)
[11:33] <zyme> what do i do
[11:33] <AndyR> zyme, using hoary?
[11:34] <Deviant> when is the next release of ubuntu comin out?
[11:34] <zyme> warty andy
[11:34] <joeblow> Deviant: should be early to mid april
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Deviant: april
[11:34] <ssam> i am not anti cli, but i find it easier to choose from a list than type someting in (maybe its cos of my spelling :-) )
[11:34] <Deviant> oh I see , will I be able to update with my current install? im just installing right now actually.
[11:34] <ubernoob> when the system starts you see alot of things starting up, with [ok]  in the end... there was some of those that failed... how do i see them without restarting?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> ssam: apt-cache search <package> && highlight && apt-get install <pastehere> :)
[11:35] <joeblow> Deviant: when it is released, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file, and replace any instances of the word warty with hoary and then do a
[11:35] <joeblow> apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:35] <joeblow> and then reboot
[11:36] <shock> u forgot the apt-get update
[11:36] <gteppel> I just upgrade to Hoary, but the nvidia drivers don't work anymore. Has anybody else experienced this problem?
[11:36] <shock> :P
[11:36] <shock> *runsandhides*
[11:36] <caseymorring> ok if i want to run python...how do i do that
[11:36] <caseymorring> ?
[11:36] <crimsun> $ python
[11:36] <joeblow> gteppel: which driver, nv or nvidia
[11:36] <joeblow> ?
[11:36] <ssam> ubernoob, theres lots of info if you type dmesg
[11:36] <joeblow> if it is nvidia, you'll have to reinstall it
[11:36] <gteppel> joeblow: nvidia doesn't work
[11:36] <gteppel> not nv
[11:37] <gteppel> how do i reinstall it?
[11:37] <gteppel> apt-get nvidia-kernel-common is already installed
[11:37] <ssam> jdahl, i prefer to browse
[11:37] <joeblow> gteppel: install the nvidia drivers from www.nvidia.com
[11:37] <gteppel> oh okay
[11:37] <gteppel> thanks
[11:37] <joeblow> gteppel: there is a howto located there
[11:37] <caseymorring> sweet linux rocks
[11:37] <jboyens> Anyone know when e2fsprogs 1.36 will hit Hoary?
[11:37] <Deviant> no drivers for ati 9600 is there
[11:38] <crimsun> gteppel: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[11:38] <crimsun> jboyens: it won't, main is frozen.
[11:38] <AndyR> gteppel, look on wiki at faq, the instructions are spot on
[11:38] <gteppel> thanks guys :-)
[11:38] <jboyens> crimsun: Damn. Gotta fsck a FC3 fs... :-/ Thanks.
[11:38] <AndyR> modprobe nvidia
[11:40] <caseymorring> thanks alot you guys, im sure ill be back later to ask somemore stupid questions
[11:40] <AndyR> caseymorring, did you get it working?
[11:40] <zyme> how will i burn cds with this ubuntu
[11:40] <caseymorring> python yes...sound no
[11:41] <crimsun> caseymorring: what's not working with sound?
[11:41] <ssam> zyme data or audio
[11:41] <ssam> or do you mean the ubuntu install/live cd
[11:41] <zyme> audio and data!
[11:41] <caseymorring> like the lil stupid annoyed bleps and stuff work but cds wont play
[11:41] <zyme> burn audio cd from warty ubuntu
[11:41] <aeolist> zyme: with nautilus (by writing burn:///), cdrecord (ubuntuguide.org), xcdroast, k3b, gnomebaker
[11:42] <shock> just read kde3.4 release notes... kdevelop sounds interesting once again - anyone tried it lately?
[11:42] <aeolist> the first 2 methods are out of the box
[11:42] <shock> I am still using emacs, vim or anjuta
[11:42] <ssam> data, if you put a black disk in the it come up on the desktop and you drop stuff on it
[11:42] <zyme> k3b does not work :(
[11:42] <crimsun> caseymorring: so you can play ogg vorbis & flac [& possibly mp3 if you installed gstreamer0.8-mad] , but audio CDs are silent?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> zyme: for audio, gnomebaker here : http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[11:42] <ssam> audio, theres lots of apps, try graveman
[11:42] <shock> k3b does not work?
[11:42] <shock> works fine here
[11:42] <zyme> it gives me some error that it cant find a lib file
[11:43] <shock> I had to sudo run the k3bsetup, though
[11:43] <AndyR> works fine here on hoary
[11:43] <aeolist> zyme, ubuntuguide has info on what you are looking for
[11:43] <zyme> ok
[11:43] <zyme> i looked before but found nothing
[11:43] <BrianAnthony> is there a command that will just replace the word in a file without ctreating a new file
[11:43] <zyme> i will look again
[11:43] <aeolist> k3b does work, but you have to deal (download) with large dependencies
[11:43] <BrianAnthony> s/the/a
[11:43] <thoreauputic> zyme: try the url I posted - I have gnomebaker working on warty
[11:43] <zyme> ok
[11:44] <shock> well there are like no other tools as comfortable and usable as k3b (and reliable)
[11:44] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: sed (man sed) I guess
[11:44] <GFXstyLER> hi
[11:44] <shock> unfortunately there is no gtk+ gui for it
[11:44] <shock> hoi GFX
[11:44] <zyme> i want to get the mega bytes
[11:44] <GFXstyLER> can anyone tell me how i can set the global language to english? i want everything to be english
[11:44] <thoreauputic> shock: I'm favourably impressed with gnomebaker
[11:45] <aeolist> is there a safe way to uninstall openoffice and evolution?
[11:45] <gsuveg> anybody have fetchmail script for daemon mode?
[11:45] <Vjaz> aeolist: yes
[11:45] <Vjaz> aeolist: apt-get remove openoffice evolution
[11:45] <Vjaz> aeolist: what do you think is "unsafe" about removing them?
[11:45] <shock> whats the package called?
[11:45] <ubernoob> Vjaz: are you sure that is correct?
[11:45] <aeolist> wont that remove ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[11:45] <shock> for gnomebaker?
[11:45] <Vjaz> ubernoob: no
[11:45] <aeolist> ?
[11:45] <shock> O_o
[11:46] <thoreauputic> GFXstyLER:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:46] <Vjaz> aeolist: yes, but those are just meta-packages
[11:46] <ubernoob> Vjaz: last time i tried that, it said it wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop cause of dependence
[11:46] <Vjaz> aeolist: you don't need to have them installed
[11:46] <GFXstyLER> thx thoreauputic
[11:46] <ssam> it will remove ubuntu-base/desktop but that does not matter much
[11:46] <aeolist> gfxstyler: dpkg-reconfigure locales, tweak xkblayout in xorg.conf, look at keyboard layout at system panel
[11:46] <Vjaz> ubernoob: yes, but do you need ubuntu-desktop? it's just a meta-package
[11:46] <aeolist> can you tell me what a meta package is?
[11:46] <ubernoob> Vjaz: i wish i knew what a meta-package was :P
[11:47] <ssam> untill you try to upgrade to hoary, then you'll need to install ubuntu-base/desktop back
[11:47] <neotenshi> hey, i just installed ubuntu on one of my pcs and now i cant do jack on it... can i PM anyone for help??
[11:47] <Vjaz> aeolist: doesn't include any functionality or files
 - where do i get gnomebaker ? - I only see some bakery libs on the archives
[11:47] <thoreauputic> aeolist: it just pulls in dependencies
[11:47] <Vjaz> aeolist: it's an empty package that depends on stuff
[11:47] <ubernoob> Vjaz: ok
[11:47] <ssam> a meta package is just a list of what to install
[11:47] <aeolist> and that's helpful
[11:47] <aeolist> ?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> shock:  for warty -http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[11:47] <aeolist> oh oh
[11:47] <aeolist> ok
[11:47] <aeolist> :)
[11:47] <shock> im on hoary
[11:47] <thoreauputic> look in the warty directories
[11:47] <aeolist> thanks :)
[11:47] <shock> powerbook
[11:47] <ssam> but when yo upgrade to hoary you'll need to upgrade that list
[11:47] <neotenshi> is there anyone here who i can PM for some help??? (and who doesnt mind me PMing him??
[11:47] <aeolist> yay finally gonna uninstall them
[11:48] <aeolist> freaking overbloated openoffice
[11:48] <thoreauputic> shock: the hoary dirs are empty, unfortunately
[11:48] <shock> ah ok
[11:48] <aeolist> neotenshi if i can help
[11:48] <shock> that explains alot
[11:48] <shock> =)
[11:48] <zyme> how do i got the mega bytes
[11:48] <shock> will try gnome-baker once it hits hoary
[11:49] <Vjaz> what's wrong with nautilus-burner?
[11:49] <ells> does anyone know how I can access and pull files remotely from my windows machine
[11:49] <zyme> hmm xcdroast appears to be working
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: it doesn't do audio by default
[11:49] <gsuveg> Vjaz: i like it
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: fine for data/iso
[11:49] <zyme> nautilus burner murdered my father
[11:49] <aeolist> ells you need to setupp a samba client/server
[11:49] <aeolist> see ubuntuguide
[11:50] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: ah, well that's a drawback, yes
[11:50] <ells> aeolist, can you walk me thru that
[11:50] <aeolist> i actually havent setup a samba server
[11:50] <aeolist> see www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:50] <ells> aeolist, okay
[11:51] <aeolist> and there is a how to on www.tldp.org
[11:51] <ells> thanks
[11:53] <djp> hi all. trying out ubuntu here. chances are i will move over from fc3 to ubuntu. i would like to know if the general feel of ubuntu users is to stick with the default repositories or add the universe repo? i really want to stick with the 'free software philosophy'?
[11:53] <foznot> i am using hoary and i cannot get xmms to work...any suggestions on what is wrong or missing?
[11:53] <Vjaz> djp: most use the universe repository I guess
[11:53] <FEL> hey guys ... i'd just to tell you about something that happened to me earlier today. I've been running windows* since 3.11, today i decided to try a nix dist, a friend told me ubuntu was quite nice. So (a little scared) i downloaded warty and installed it. Installation was a success however "the net" did not work. "Great! Just what i thought! i had no idea how to go about fixing this problem... so i joined this channel, got a few
[11:54] <Libby> re
[11:54] <Vjaz> djp: the universe includes only free software I think... non free software is in multiverse
[11:54] <nT> i am trying to run f.i. gedit of remote machine to the local machine, but i get the cannot connect to display. What i do is "xhost +" in local machine, "ssh -X IP_LOCAL", and from there "export DISPLAY=IP_LOCAL:0.0" and "gedit". Apparently there is no error. X11Forwarding is in "yes".
[11:54] <Vjaz> Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
[11:54] <djp> vjaz: is that due to java, mp3, dvd playback etc, etc?
[11:55] <Vjaz> djp: Could be other things too. If you want to install games for example. Most games apart from the gnome-games package are in universe.
[11:55] <Libby> looks like i'm gonna need some more help here, installing the drivers of my modem
[11:55] <Vjaz> djp: Or any special software you might want for that matter.
[11:56] <fsc> does anybody else think there is something wrong with the way you specifiy your download folder in firefox?
[11:56] <djp> vjaz: is there much chance of the universe repo 'breaking' ubuntu?
 ... works for me if i login to my router doing "ssh -X 192.168.0.1"
[11:56] <Libby> i've tried apt-get first, didn't work, then i put in the cd with the drivers and tried that, no luck, then i put the drivers on the desktop and he still says he cannot find them
[11:56] <fgubuntu> Libby, what about pass
[11:57] <Libby> pass?
 - I dont linke firefox at all that much :/
[11:57] <fgubuntu> Libby, keyboard locale
[11:57] <ssam> djp, very little
[11:57] <Vjaz> djp: If you mean actually making your system unusable or something like that, then that's very unlikely.
[11:57] <fsc> shock, hmm...don't remember asking if you liked it or not
[11:57] <djp> ssam: thanks
[11:57] <thoreauputic> djp: I think "universe" is pretty safe - I've done dist-upgrade a few times without issues
[11:57] <djp> vjaz: thanks
[11:57] <thoreauputic> (on warty)
[11:58] <nT> shock, i do ssh -X 172.26.0.1, problem seems to be with X, because i can do SSH between the two machines without problems
[11:58] <ssam> on hoary even the main repo can bork you sometimes
[11:58] <Libby> fgubuntu, i'm affraid i need a little more info here :-)
[11:58] <djp> transcode is not working with ubuntu if i'm not mistaken?
[11:58] <ssam> (where have all my icons gone?)
[11:59] <xaochun> gday folks,m anyone have the url to ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3 kernel source pkg?
[11:59] <fgubuntu> Libby, afraid? for what?
[11:59] <jjman> hey, what is the main difference between ubuntu and debian
[11:59] <ssam> xaochun, find it in synaptic and click install
[11:59] <Libby> i'm a bit of a computer nitwit
[12:00] <jjman> or, what can i do in unbuntu that i can't do in debian