[12:01] mdz: yeah [12:01] ok, seeds updated [12:02] mdz, you mean updated with ndiswrapper-utils? [12:02] fgubuntu: yes [12:03] tomorrow's daily install CD will have ndiswrapper-utils on it [12:03] you guys are the best! [12:03] we decided to do that a long time ago, but apparently I forgot to actually make the change [12:03] that would have been embarrassing, considering I was the one who proposed it [12:04] heh..you are allowed to make mistakes sometimes [12:04] nonsense [12:05] ok, with kickseed 0.9 it should be possible to do a complete Kickstart install of Ubuntu [12:05] nice! [12:05] although with, uh, somewhat carefully-chosen arguments [12:05] Kamion: do you have some notes that could be put into the wiki as a starting point for a howto? [12:06] I'd like to give that a try sometime soon === hennin1 [~henning@NAT.office.mind.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:06] mdz: not yet, but one-line instructions: [12:07] I'm pretty much convinced that casper should cause shells (running as the live user) to be spawned on the console, rather than letting getty prompt for a username/password [12:07] mdz: install system-config-kickstart, run it, put the output on an HTTP server accessible from your install machine, boot with ks=http://... as a kernel argument [12:07] but I'm not sure of the best means to launch them [12:08] openvt? [12:09] does that take care of setting up the process group leadership, etc.? [12:09] ideally it would be something which would update utmp as well [12:10] and ensure that the shell is launched as a login shell [12:10] hm, busybox doesn't have open(1) or openvt(1) so I can't check on the convenient machine [12:11] I think I might just want to spawn /bin/login -f $user or such [12:12] yes, that seems to dtrt [12:14] need to arrange for it to be attached to the right vt, though. maybe openvt there [12:15] openvt complains that the vt is in use, odd [12:16] init seems to use a shell anyway, so I can just use redirections instead [12:16] hmm, nice of the anaconda guys to document ks=ftp://. not. [12:17] so I guess that'll work too as of kickseed 0.10 === dholbac1 [~daniel@td9091a82.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hennin1 [~henning@NAT.office.mind.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbac1 is now known as dholbach === T-Bone is now known as T-None [12:21] Kamion: can you confirm that TERM=serial is the proper test for a serial console in d-i? [12:21] if so, I'll make that change at the same time [12:21] TERM_TYPE=serial [12:22] er, yeah, that [12:22] hm, one sec [12:22] I wonder if I should skip configuring X entirely, or only stop gdm from starting [12:23] I suppose I should skip it, since elmo pointed out that it asks questions [12:23] $TERM_TYPE doesn't show up while executing a shell from d-i's main menu, which is odd [12:23] oh, I guess that shell gets its env cleared [12:24] yes, TERM_TYPE=serial should indeed be fine [12:24] ok, thanks [12:24] set via /lib/debian-installer/detect-console-linux [12:24] is there an easy way I can test it? [12:25] s/-linux// [12:25] test it? [12:25] oh [12:25] that :) [12:25] do I just boot with console=ttyS... ? [12:25] boot with init=/bin/sh and frob /lib/debian-installer/detect-console to lie? dunno what other effects that would have [12:25] or does d-i have a magic console mode? [12:26] no, the test is a readlink on /proc/self/fd/0 [12:26] what file does that belong to? [12:26] s/file/package/ [12:26] rootskel [12:26] "what package does that file belong to" [12:26] thanks [12:26] booting with console=ttyS... would do it [12:26] ok [12:26] you have to specify the rate etc too though === lupusBE [~lupus@dD5E03E70.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] yes, hence ... [12:30] Kamion: I just noticed that the user-password configuration stuff could be done in a nicer way; passwd.config automagically skips the password comparison stuff if I don't preseed user-password-again [12:30] Kamion: however, user-password-again is asked at priority high [12:30] (pointing again to the fact that casper should probably use priority=critical) [12:32] what I would really like to do would be to set the user password to empty, but passwd.config explicitly disallows that [12:34] I suppose I could just set it afterward [12:34] seb128: ping [12:34] pong [12:35] seb128: do you have an idea, what i could have done in packaging, to have 6 warnings like "** (process:28997): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed" and just 3? [12:35] seb128: i'm still working on coaster [12:35] seb128: the warnings refer to the installation [12:36] hy, i just managed to install ubuntu with FAI - fully automatic install from a sarge install server. as i saw, the ubuntu packages for FAI, at least as they are in warty, are preconfigured only to install sarge - is there any need for patches to install ubuntu with fai? [12:37] dholbach: seems to be a update-desktop-database output, probably from a .desktop on the system, dunno which one [12:37] hennin1: ubuntu hoary is implementing kickstart support in the installer. stay tuned [12:38] ah ok... thought it was my fault [12:38] other automated install methods probably wont be supported [12:39] seb128: another problem is that clicking on a file edited with coaster fires up coaster nicely, but doesnt show the contents stored in the file - i can only guess from the lack of bugreports on it, that it's my problem and not upstreams :-) [12:39] tseng: does that mean there won't even be a FAI package in ubuntu at all? [12:39] dholbach: is the .desktop correctly installed ? [12:40] hennin1: its probably a universe package, no? [12:40] seb128: /usr/share/applications/coaster.desktop [12:40] hennin1: which currently means, YMMV. you are certainly free to offer us a fixed package, but it wont be a priority to fix with kickstart support coming in the installer [12:41] hennin1: visit us here or debian-devel list if you procure a fix, please === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-51-138.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] dholbach: so it should work [12:45] Kamion: where did we leave off with getting the opencd content onto the hoary live CDs? waiting for a permanent URL? [12:45] mdz: sorry, maybe it's too late at night for me to understand that user-password-again query [12:45] dholbach: "coaster /path/to/file" works ? [12:46] seb128: well i hope, mxpxpod drops in then... i'm pretty clueless what's going on [12:46] I'm not convinced that casper should use priority=critical [12:46] Kamion: the user-password-again thingy was, I think, a "we could clean this up when moving casper to priority critical after hoary" sort of musing [12:46] oh? [12:46] priority=critical has semantics that proved to be too much trouble [12:46] I'm uncomfortable with supporting the installer and casper at two different priorities; I think it will just make excessive work [12:47] 23:38 < tseng> other automated install methods probably wont be supported [12:47] seb128: no :-/ [12:47] tseng: that's not true; preseed will be supported [12:47] seb128: ah... ok... maybe i found something [12:47] what ? [12:47] Kamion: he is looking at some universe package targetted at sarge [12:47] seb128: a warning about a dtd [12:47] we already test them separately anyway [12:48] tseng: kickstart is primarily for compatibility purposes; it is less flexible than other methods [12:48] mdz: I'm just speaking from experience of the pain of diverging semantics there [12:48] ok [12:48] you expect priority=critical would be more fragile than the existing preseeding stuff? [12:49] casper's situation would be less problematic than the installer's, but priority=critical is still really meant for fully automated installs where you have tuned the installer to your system by preseeding it [12:49] yes, I do [12:51] Kamion: how guilty would you feel about adding another udevstart invocation to work around #5732 ? [12:52] tseng: yes, it is a universe package. where can i read about in which form i'll have to provide that patch? (i never produced a patch for a debian package until now, and know even less about the ubuntu development process). for the debian package, the FAI maintainer already knows about it and will put the necessary fix into FAi. [12:53] hm are you talking about a real bug that prevents you from using it with ubuntu, or a branding issue? [12:55] im not familiar with this package [12:55] mdz: probably not at all [12:56] ... not at all guilty [12:56] as long as my install server isn't running ubuntu, it is no problem for me at all, but the available ubuntu package simply won't install ubuntu but sarge. [12:57] that sounds like a branding issue [12:58] you are asking for the default configuration of the ubuntu package to support ubuntu, not sarge [12:59] Kamion: sounds good [12:59] seb128: still here? [12:59] yep [01:00] seb128: I am trying to think of a good way to fix #6667 [01:00] currently, the live CD uses automaticlogin [01:00] which is perfect for the first login, but after that, leaves the user at a login prompt [01:00] maybe I should enable both automaticlogin and timedlogin? would that work? [01:00] i don't know much about kickstart, but as i see, kamion is right, i don't see the possibility to have custom scripts like FAI supports them, at the first glance there's no information about how different system types can be managed with kickstart. anyway, i use fai since some time and don't plan to switch, as i already have a lot of work put into FAI [01:00] you can set a 10 second relogin timer or so [01:01] and it gives visual feedback [01:01] ok, I'll test that [01:01] "10 seconds to login" above the username prompt [01:01] mdz: I've not tried, perhaps [01:01] i do that on my mythtv box [01:01] seems to work perfectly, thanks [01:01] tseng: i don't know what you consider "branding" issue. [01:01] hennin1: branding = customizing a package for ubuntu [01:02] which is what you are looking to do as I understand it. [01:02] which makes me wonder what you think the upstream maintainer is doing for you, its not a bug perse [01:03] tseng: I'm going to do that on my mythtv box as well [01:04] hennin1: really to be perfectly honest this FAI stuff doesnt look like something I can/am willing to support, and its in universe. youll have to explain your issues with the package to ubuntu-devel mailing list or find someone else in #ubuntu-motu to take up your cause. or better, read the debian new maintainer guide and learn packaging, and roll us a fix. [01:05] time to sleep, night [01:05] hennin1: I'd rather not bother every one here anymore about it today, sorry [01:05] i hope one of those courses of action is successful for you :) [01:07] wow, hostile much? :) it's a bug ... [01:07] hm I didnt mean to be hostile at all.. it seems like a branding thing to me, like apt-proxy [01:08] lack of technically-required branding is a bug [01:08] as I understand hennin1's issue, it is not merely cosmetic [01:08] tseng: oh, sorry, i just wanted to offer help, nor bother anybody nor less request any action, my personal needs are fulfilled as my ubuntu is running and installed automatically with FAI. but i'll go for the hint with the new maintainers guide... [01:09] no problem, tseng. :) [01:09] no I didnt mean to be an ass, there is just a stigma that people like to keep this channel low traffic [01:09] i probably take it too seriously [01:09] hennin1: yes, get rocking in the MOTU crew! :-) [01:11] hennin1: #ubuntu-motu can help you with packaging issues.. it sounds like you basically need to patch the default config or provide your own [01:12] hennin1: if you write it.. I can help you start packaging it [01:12] kamion: i think you're right. simply put, if i somebody will have an ubuntu server runnung FAI, he probably don't want it to install sarge, which is what would happen right now :) that a bit more grave than just a wrong logo or something... [01:12] does that make sense? === dholbach drags tseng and hennin1 over into the other tab ;-) === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-73-116.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] hey mjg59 === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] argh. pain. so. tempting. to. ship. evince. must. have. discipline. [01:47] hmmm...? === mpt_newjersey [~mpt@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-169.Princeton.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] evince isn't integrated with cups yet is it? [01:50] how do you mean? [01:51] the last time i looked at its printer options it looked different [01:51] it uses gnomeprint [01:51] which uses cups [01:51] ah ok [01:51] maybe i was confused with something else === jdub is just trying to print now === calc goes back to his desk to see [01:52] Hello [01:52] hrm. two-to-a-page didn't work. d'oh. ;) [01:52] ah, i recall seeing something about this. [01:55] hmm yea it looks fine to me, i don't know what i was on [01:55] though it did seem to consistently crash trying to load the iso c++ doc === calc bbiab trying to get new ipw2200 driver working under ubuntu === hennin1 [~henning@NAT.office.mind.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === robertj offers jdub the outlet of going to put evince on the GrumpyGroundhog wiki page right now [02:06] mjg59: any luck with that drm patch? :) === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-73-116.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ph_ [~ph@pD9587429.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] wasabi: There? I can't seem to get to your package page right now. === ph [~ph@pD9587429.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] jdub: ping === jammcq [~jam@pcp09022402pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] dholbach: pong [03:26] jdub: do you know the irc nick of George Farris (the author of gfax)? he said he got in contact with you [03:26] s/contact/touch [03:26] hrm, don't think i've ever met him on irc [03:26] ok [03:26] yeah, he's been working on the new mono version of gfax [03:26] just wanted to know, to get him more into the MOTU boat :-) [03:27] that'd be rad [03:27] i'll drop him a mail [03:33] jdub: would it be possible to beg a patch into the ubuntu kernel at this point? [03:39] bob2: somewhat unlikely, but if it could possibly be seen as a bugfix, it's worth asking [03:39] jdub: it just adds pci ids for the x40 irda controller [03:39] dude [03:39] that's totally a bugfix [03:39] that's what I thought! [03:41] someone should take care of a sync of the mozilla-thunderbird-locale-* packages, at least with the current german one, thunderbird crashes immediately [03:42] i'll tell Mithrandir once he returned from fosdem === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-73-116.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] jdubtv! -> http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/ [03:46] jdub: mailed him, be sure to push the next universe guys to #ubuntu-motu as soon as they hit you :-) [03:46] rockin' :) [03:46] jdub: thats just plain scary :) [03:47] jdub: turn up the music, i can't hear anything [03:48] and it is in sync... can't believe it [04:12] night === tseng tunes in to jdub|tv === luis_ [~louie@h001217d2c87d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] sleep tight everyone *yawn* [04:26] bye dholbach [04:26] bye tseng [04:27] totem doesn't seem to be able to bookmark yet :-) [04:28] no, just recent files [04:28] which dont include http it seems [04:35] jdub's diggin' tha music === mpt_newjersey [~mpt@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-169.Princeton.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === matt_ [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === farruinn [~nathan@cpe-69-201-12-137.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb_ [~chris@schweeb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [~louie@h001217d2c87d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ is now known as lu|sleep === wasabi__ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lu|sleep [~louie@h001217d2c87d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_newjersey [~mpt@eetemad.student.Princeton.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === opi [~emil@217.153.156.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host88-171.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d3vic3 [~foobar@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] Morning [08:50] morning all [08:50] d3vic3: did you get some feedback from #kubuntu about the kde bindings? [08:52] Hi doko [08:53] doko, no === lu|sleep [~louie@h001217d2c87d.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@pD9EB3147.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_newjersey [~mpt@eetemad.student.Princeton.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-35-162.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] d3vic3: what this KDE bindings was about? [09:34] d3vic3: I'm currently using Ubuntu + KDE [09:34] python-kde3 === EvaSDK [eva@81.56.234.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] d3vic3: I didn't play with QT Bindings === msturm [~msturm@t-20-214.athome.tue.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] d3vic3: you want to test it, or? [09:36] well, no, it wont build [09:38] oh, I can try to build it after 1 PM === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox_ [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] jdub: what do you think about #6989 ? === dholbach [~daniel@td9091a82.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] gooooooooood morning === jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] seb128: while we're not willing to support SA, and we don't write a new spam filtering plugin... [09:58] seb128: it would be nice if the UI disappeared if SA wasn't around [09:58] morning [09:58] right [09:59] yo Kamion [09:59] hi Kamion [09:59] according to #evolution guys evolution should depends on sa [09:59] so not much interest in fixing that then ;) [09:59] but right, let's that for the moment [09:59] ... and gone again, giving K a lift to work. that was a short morning. :) === zenrox_ [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] hah, kernel-team is being bugzilla spammed. clever. [10:12] can someone just add arch tags to bugzilla mail instead? === dredg [niall@malkovich.office.blacknight.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] http://img95.exs.cx/img95/272/mozillaadware4vs.png <-- issint this anti-trust [10:14] hi drbyte [10:14] hi dredg [10:14] d3vic3: its supposed to be a fake iirc [10:14] hi dholbach [10:15] howdy [10:15] Mithrandir: still/already there? === zenrox_ [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] drbyte, I figure that much [10:20] drbyte: well, the kernel team *does* need to take responsibility for kernel bugs ... at least bugzilla mail is threaded now [10:21] Kamion: yeah. i was looking for a way to just get the arch specific stuff, because i don't care about the other archs (tbh, i don't even have access to something like x86_64; so its not a matter of not caring) [10:22] some clever procmail could possibly filter threads on the Architecture: tag in the first message, I suppose ... [10:23] thanks. i'll look into it. get Evo to pipe outside or something [10:26] would be easier if bugzilla would put the current value of Architecture: in a mail header, though [10:28] actually, evolution can do magic too, i think. i'll play with it later... === Alessio [~Alessio@host146-4.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~root@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eva_ [eva@81.56.234.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] moin all [10:42] g'day amu [10:44] hey AndyFitz [10:44] Hi amu [10:44] Hi carlos [10:44] hi * [10:45] huh pitti & carlos === eva_ is now known as EvaSDK [11:18] seb128: do you know when gtk2.6 entered sarge? [11:19] 2 days ago [11:19] why ? [11:19] mvo: isn't that on packages.qa.debian.org somewhere? [11:19] Treenaks: I had a quick look, but didn't find it. but IIRC it is [11:19] ? [11:20] mvo: any issue with it ? [11:20] it breaks synaptic [11:20] mvo: speak nooooow :p [11:20] oh great :/ [11:20] how so ? [11:20] it's a synaptic problem, so don't worry. [11:20] k [11:21] and it's fixed in unstable [11:21] just curious but how does it break ? [11:21] (and ubuntu of course) [11:21] it should be compatible ... [11:22] incorrect quiting a GtkDialog with "gtk_main() and gtk_quit()" IIRC (and not using gtk_dialog_run()) === janc [~janc@dD577042C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] I'll just push the unstable synaptic into testing and hope for the best :) [11:23] k === herzi [~herzi@d044011.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d044011.adsl.hansenet.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === herzi [~herzi@d044011.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-34-145.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [rpGirl@m146i.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] doko: Am I right in thinking that the gcc/amd64 ABI changed from 3.3 -> 3.4/4.0? === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp51-83.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ttf [~tom@p3EE37297.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] haggai: the C++ ABI? AFAIK there are no platform specific changes between these versions [12:40] I thought 3.4 introd a new C++ ABI [12:40] for all playforms [12:42] lifeless: correct, but we needed mozilla and firefox on amd64 to be built with g++-3.4, so the g++-3.4 for amd64 is configured with -fabi-version=1. [12:45] doko: sorry, I meant upstream gcc. OOo2-amd64 is segfaulting in the bridges module and I wonder if it is because it has been written for a different ABI === Alessio [~Alessio@host146-4.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c167092.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] the C++ ABI in 3.4 and 4.0 is the same, but differs from the one in 3.3 [12:53] doko: hmm, that's probably the cause of the problem then, thanks === HiddenWolf [~hidde@136.137.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] hola hola hola [01:01] carlos: ping [01:01] hey jordi [01:01] hordi! [01:02] jordi: pong [01:02] OMG THE TV DUDE [01:02] hey [01:02] yo hordi [01:02] hey carlos [01:02] carlos: ok, so it's good :) [01:03] carlos: I don't have access to my mail right now. I forgot to switch my computer on this morning. :) [01:03] jordi: you suck [01:03] I'm going to London this WE [01:03] seb128: hi [01:03] it's going to be cool [01:04] seb128: yeah, I suck, because my signed epiphany upload is sitting in my powered off computer. :) [01:04] jordi: Don't worry, I asked already the plane tickets for you === seb128 slaps jordi [01:04] jordi: get on your bicycle, get it powered! :) [01:04] Treenaks: dude, I'm so unfit [01:05] I haven't trained in months [01:05] that makes me suck more than seb imagines [01:05] jordi: you are sooo weak... [01:05] carlos: why a plane ticket ? The lazy boy can run and swim :p [01:05] seb128: right! [01:05] seb128: good idea [01:05] jordi: see you in London [01:05] :-D [01:05] seb128: if you arrange a 2 month vacation for me, I surely can do it [01:05] LOL [01:05] :) [01:05] jordi: sorry you only have one day [01:06] heh [01:06] jordi: oh, and no more complaining about not being fit after that then :) [01:06] guys, there is a guy in #ubuntu with a fatal kernel error, and I can't help him, can anyone of you try? === decko [decko@143.107.220.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] some guy in #ubuntu running into hotplug/modprobe weirdness. I'm out of my depth here, please assist === fgubuntu [~fgubuntu@barlach.spin.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] daniels: pin [01:23] g === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-35-241.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] Do problems with the wiki go into bugzilla under 'websites'? [01:36] yeah, or the WikiWishlist page [01:37] jdub, my t-shirts got rejected :-/ [01:37] ill be more conservative next time [01:37] Yeah, this is another 'thinks I've registered under this email address when I really haven't' bug. === dholbach [~daniel@td9091a82.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === opi [~emil@217.153.156.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] jbailey: is there a javadoc replacement in gcj somewhere? [01:57] haggai: gjdoc is in classpath-tools. [01:57] jbailey: cool thank you === [m0rph] [~morph@p83.129.200.183.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] haggai: It's in our list of things to upload and get in, but we're stuck behind java on ppc issues. Hopefully resolved RSN. === mako [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] jbailey: ah, I see [02:03] great, bug in discover1 preventing installation in some cases. hooray!! [02:04] 3 cheers for $uploader! [02:06] i wonder if i should just piss discover1 off and move us to my 100-line python script that reads the same format [02:06] and *doesn't* break crap === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["laters"] [02:07] discover[12] is annoying. [02:08] daniels: so Hoary does discover? warty didn't, right? === JanC [JanC@dD577042C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] daniels: What cases does your script cover that hotplug on its own doesn't? [02:12] jordi: yes, complete shit [02:12] jordi: hoary uses discover in xserver-xorg postinst, just like xserver-xfree86 in warty and debian [02:12] jbailey: there's no way to go to hotplug and say 'hey, so y'know my video cards, right, what driver should I use for those?' [02:13] jbailey: that's the only reason discover1 is in main right now [02:14] daniels: shouldn't hotplug say "Hey! There's a videocard here.. *do magic*" [02:14] jbailey: is there any plan to get ant in main? [02:14] daniels: You mean for touching the X config? [02:14] jbailey: yeah [02:15] Treenaks: no, because we don't ever want to find it out except when we want to (i.e. the user wants us to build a configuration) [02:15] even so, it's a biiiig database. [02:15] haggai: Yes, Java wants to crawl towards main including development environment. [02:15] haggai: We're trying to get eclipse in, so it and all of its dependancies. [02:15] jbailey: but I guess not for hoary, right? [02:16] daniels: I would love to see a discover that didn't insmod things and only touched other configs (sane, X, etc..) [02:16] jbailey: right now we're specifically telling it to not do that [02:16] haggai: Not realistically, no. At this point we're still sorting out the last of the gcc4 issues. The most recent seems to be libtool breakage. [02:16] jbailey: all it does is walks the PCI bus and lets us know which cards are video cards, and which driver we should use for those [02:17] Nice! === lu|sleep is now known as luis_ [02:17] jbailey: that's how we use discover1 right now, and that's what the Python bit does [02:17] I remember someone asking me how ugly it would be to change their video card out. Cool to know that's handled. [02:17] http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/discover.py [02:17] jbailey: ok, thanks. OOo needs ant for some parts so that make the job harder for hoary [02:17] haggai: Ah, bugger. [02:18] bear in mind that I've not really given this a clean-up, it was just sort of incrementally written in a hurry === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] jbailey: 'badly'. the idea is for the XKeepsCrashing handler in gdm to re-run discover(.py), compare the results to a cache and say 'shit dude, your hardware's changed, I'm going to try to automatically reconfigure it'; if *that* fails, start up in VESA or something. [02:19] jbailey: this shouldn't actually be very hard to write at all. === brainZzZ [stirps@c-67-171-62-252.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] word. === daniels fixes a massive tangled mess of Debconfiscation, with the end result that upgrades now work fine also. === tritium [~tritium@ee213-dhcp-4.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Evaso [~yellow@ppp-126-167.24-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] hi pitti any news about pktcdvd and pmount? [02:30] Evaso: Hi again [02:30] Evaso: just missed you in #d-devel :-) [02:30] Evaso: sorry, I did not yet have time to try it out [02:30] i had found what is probably the issue [02:30] mdz: aha! worked out that bastard problem where we weren't prompting for the keyboard layout if we were totally stuck and just had a random guess at us [02:31] mdz: if it wasn't for this, most everyone would've seen a keyboard layout prompt [02:32] does this mean that next time i install ubuntu X won't default to 'us'? :) [02:32] pitti: the problem is that for cd inserted in a cd/dvd burining device that are udf fromatted there must be mount the /dev/pktcdvd/x unity instead of /dev/hdx [02:32] hi all [02:32] hey siv [02:32] dredg: depends on when you install it ;) but yes [02:32] daniels: good good :) [02:33] * Ensure that we prompt at priority critical if we can't properly guess the [02:33] pitti: pmount try to mount only the hdx device.. is it possible to make a selective mount with pmount? [02:33] keyboard layout, although we shouldn't have to guess. [02:33] hey Treenaks [02:33] Evaso: you can try to mount the pktdvd device with pmount [02:34] Evaso: however, hal probably only recognizes the /dev/hdX device [02:34] Evaso: and gnome-volume-manager only listens to hal [02:34] jbailey: note in particular the little-to-no error handling :) [02:35] pitti: but: 1) we mount every time only the /dev/pktcdvd/x devices for buring unity also if the cd/dvd inserted is not udf formatted or we must to do a selective mount and control the fs type of the media inserted [02:36] pitti: the pktcdvd device are mapped on a real /dev/hdx device [02:36] Evaso: per-filesystem mount should be reasonably easy, pmount already does this partially [02:37] pitti: this could be the best solution, if u had udftools installed u can see the mapping configuration from here: /etc/default/udftools [02:37] daniels: ;) [02:38] pitti: udftools already use udev for devices [02:38] Evaso: it does? that's cool, then it should already be integrated with sysfs [02:39] when i select that it says that it should already be correctly installed [02:41] pitti: yes is integrated in sysfs [02:41] cool === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [02:42] pitti: /sys/block/pktcdvd0 /sys/module/pktcdvd === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] Evaso: what does /sys/block/pktcdvd0/removable contain? [02:42] hey [02:42] Hi zul [02:43] pitti: 1 [02:43] hey pitti [02:43] elmo: could you promote system-config-kickstart's dependencies (hwdata, localechooser-data) to main, please? [02:43] Evaso: yay [02:43] Evaso: then it should actually be possible to pmount /dev/pktcdvd0/x [02:44] Evaso: is it? [02:45] pitti: do u mean /dev/pktcdvd/x in my case /dev/pktcdvd/0? [02:45]