=== Liz [~maori@203.87.27.63] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:32] African Greetings === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:07] morning enrico [07:07] froud: morning! === enrico watches sunrise [07:08] I'm back [07:08] Cape town was super cool [07:08] everything is frosty and covered in snow. Sunrise is beautiful this morning [07:08] Cape Town... I still have to check that out [07:08] he he, we have a cool morning with a warn sun. Birds a chirping and life looks ready to go. [07:09] http://www.cape-town.org/ [07:11] I've brought my gf to the airport, and now I'm preparing lessons for this morning. I'll be operative in the afternoon [07:12] Huh? [07:12] gf [07:12] airport [07:12] lessons [07:13] girlfriend has a meeting in amsterdam [07:13] I am giving some lessons about communication and Internet to high school students [07:14] ah Amsterdam. What a cool place [07:14] froud: mostly cold, these days :) [07:15] yes, but still, what a lllllayed back place [07:15] oh, yes! [07:15] tel me [07:16] how does Ubuntu Update Update Manager and Synaptic differ [07:16] I just ran UUM [07:16] and it did updates [07:16] Then I ran Synaptic [07:16] and it had upgrades to do [07:16] ? [07:16] I thought UUM did that [07:17] Good question. I think you should ask mvo [07:17] mvo is the author of both :) [07:17] on devel [07:17] yes === froud goes to devel to find mvo [07:17] although you may want to wait a couple of hours: I'm sure he's still sleeping (he loives in GErmany) [07:18] OK, I will msg him so when he is awake I can chat to him. Thanks [07:18] np [07:19] i'm just closing a few pieces on the quick guide [07:19] what was the final on "About Ubuntu" [07:20] also trickie was asking about screen capts [07:20] in the Release Notes [07:20] I assume all of these are installed in the same place [07:20] if yes, then using screen capts is no problem [07:21] if no then we have to do manual duplication of images to the release notes === froud does not really want to do that [07:21] nono, all images are installed in the same place [07:22] they are split in their owning package, but then they all end up in the same directory [07:23] yes , but is release notes in the same place as everything else. I think About Ubuntu and Release Notes should be in the same place as the rest of the docs just in their own folders [07:23] oh,yes. Those are to be sorted out a bit. I still haven't talked with mdz (my intention is to do it this a'noon) [07:24] Ah Ok, no problem let me know what will be done [07:30] froud: bon jour [07:30] abelli: top of the morning to ya abelli [07:31] froud: let me say... woza. [07:32] woza means come [07:32] froud: yeah i know [07:32] sawubona means hello :-) [07:32] where do you want me to come to :-) [07:33] froud: shall we work on a basic afrikaan polygen grammar? [07:33] enrico: I see jeff has an account. Thanks [07:34] froud: no problem. And plovs has his account as well! [07:34] Thanks to Elmo, actually [07:34] yeah! Hey were is plovs? [07:34] not here today [07:34] No, but he lives :) [07:35] I think therefore i am [07:39] froud: you commit, therefore you are [07:39] and when I commit, I commit. Sorry to fill your mailbox this morning [07:40] froud: no problem: I've got more space than gmail :) [07:40] lucky fish === froud 's Quick Quide Status Report: 3 items need help. 11 items need review. 172 items are marked complete. [07:46] WoW! [07:46] It is nearing the end [07:46] Worth a posting of the list of those 14 items to the list [07:46] Can do [07:59] enrico: strange I have subversion installed but cannot configure Administration > Shared Folders [08:00] ooops my mistake === froud is off to do some work. c ya later [08:01] froud: ciao === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico looks for people with experience with scrollkeeper === sm [~simon@lsanca1.ar5-4.15.71.34.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [05:57] _froud_: around? === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-12.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ is now known as froud [06:57] enrico: what's up [06:57] hello froud! [06:58] Did you read my mail in ubunut-doc about renaming the about ubuntu and release notes? [06:58] hey, not yet [06:58] gimme 5 min [06:59] seems ok [06:59] you want me to do it [07:00] no, I wanted to ask if that could cause problems, as the documents are interlinked [07:01] go ahead. I will fix the broken pieces. The main aim should be to make it easy for packaging [07:01] ok. We'll need to wart trickie [07:01] warn trickies about the filename change [07:02] froud: first we see if it works: I committed [07:02] he would have seen your message. The filename change will not make any diff to him [07:03] froud: please tell me if/when things work again [07:04] ok hang ten [07:05] in the meantime, I started studying the omf files. Appearently, we have a problem registering the about ubuntu document, as it references the other documents which are still not installed. No alarm for now, though: it may work anyway [07:16] enrico: yep that was one of the problems I was trying to get clarity on about a month or two ago :-0 [07:17] enrico: svn up all should work [07:17] froud: you're so ahead that we undestand what you say with a month of delay :) [07:18] no am am in the same place as you but I like to look ahead to see problems [07:18] hate last minute things like this [07:19] I see release notes still has its own image in the output, do you want to use it? [07:19] at present the html points to images/ [07:20] suspecting that the release notes may move I added a command to copy the image relative to the document, but it was never used. [07:21] dunno why, but I always give it for granted that other people will try things and report obvious problems; however, that doesn't usually happen [07:21] (until the last minute) [07:21] let's see. I'm building the thing, then I'll check how it goes [07:22] images shuold always be in images/ [07:22] providing that release notes will remain in root [07:24] reports are broken (failed to load external entity ReleaseNotes.xml" [07:25] yes that I did not fix [07:26] leme fix it [07:32] svn up - any more problems? [07:33] let me see... [07:36] .deb has been built [07:36] chuk-a-train it works [07:38] uhm... scrollkeeper barfs. It wants the libs/ stuff. I guess I'll install it... [07:39] spoke with mvo. he explained the diff for upgrade on update-manager and synaptic [07:39] I will be creating GNOME user docs for update manager next [07:42] another question: how come you generate the about-ubuntu HTML in a home subdirectory, rathern than in just build/about-ubuntu? [07:43] (need to go for dinner, be back in ~30 minutes) [07:43] it was in a home dir on the distro so I just aped the distro [07:43] we can change it [07:43] I think we should change it [07:43] to root of build go have dinner I will do the change [07:45] bah, ugly validation barfs. Could you try to build+install the package to see the scrollkeeper error messages? It says it can't find things that seem to be there [07:45] (just committed my last fixes) [07:46] ok lemme just finish the make file and I will take a look [07:46] to build the packages, go in the trunk and do a "fakeroot debian/rules binary" [07:46] you'll find the packages in the directory above the trunk [07:46] be back asap === enrico is back [08:23] news? How's the prognosis? [08:27] Umm just running the fakeroot [08:28] hmmm now I have two transformations running..... slowwwww [08:30] so what do you think we should work on after QG [08:32] Unless you have more clues, I can't see many targets acheivable before hoary releases [08:32] :-) no mean after Hoary [08:33] We could have an IRC meeting to talk about after-hoary [08:33] and we could also ask the developers for ideas [08:33] cool === venda [~sean@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:57] make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sean/ubuntu-doc/trunk' [08:57] DEB_MAKE_CHECK_TARGET unset, not running checks [08:57] DEB_MAKE_INSTALL_TARGET unset, skipping default makefile.mk common-install target [08:57] dh_installdirs -pubuntu-docs [08:57] if [ ! -f build/release-notes/html/ReleaseNotes.html ] ; then \ [08:57] mkdir build/rn-html; \ [08:57] mv build/release-notes/* build/rn-html/; \ [08:57] mv build/rn-html build/release-notes/html; \ [08:57] mv build/about-ubuntu/home build/about-ubuntu/html; \ [08:57] fi [08:57] mv: cannot stat `build/about-ubuntu/home': No such file or directory [08:57] make: *** [install/ubuntu-docs] Error 1 === herve [~herve@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:57] hi [08:58] herve: hi [08:58] I try to add a link to a GNU Arch repository on the wiki [08:58] but STX syntax messes it up [08:58] do you know some trick to preserve a URL? [08:58] double square brackets won't work [08:58] Hmm. enrico ping [08:59] oh, sure: you changed that, the deb scripts are broken. Fixing the mnow [08:59] enrico: can you help herve [09:00] uhm... arch... Kinnison? [09:01] Ah, sorry, to the WIKI [09:01] You use stx... it was agreed to stick to Moin [09:02] herve: if you're not very deep into the markup, you can try Moin. Just the URL, or if it doesn't work, put the URL inside single square brackets [09:02] I know the [] works for moin moin [09:03] ok I think I have to switch [09:03] how do you make notes then? === froud looks for an example [09:04] ha thank you [09:04] notes, like what? [09:04] notes at the bottom of a page [09:04] I don't know a better name === Kinnison sees his name [09:04] enrico: something I can help with? [09:05] herve: ok, sure. I don't think Moin makes notes [09:05] Kinnison: sorry: I thought there was a problem about arch, but it was about the wiki instead [09:05] no arch is fine ;) [09:05] but stx is outdated [09:05] it's probably the occasion to learn reST [09:05] enrico: Aaah [09:05] are notes so essential? They are not very common in web pages [09:05] thank you guys [09:05] herve: for notes just do [09:05] they are to me :) [09:06] NOTE:: Your text here [09:06] herve: wait: froud has a solution [09:06] a space before the word not ewill do [09:06] that would put it at the end of the page? [09:07] see example of tip @ https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SubversionRepository [09:07] enrico, I would use good old hrefs but I'd like these URL to appear on their own [09:07] herve: no it will be inline to the page [09:07] see the example above [09:08] ok, I see the kind of note === froud looks for a patch from enrico [09:09] I think I'll take the time to learn reST [09:09] thank you all [09:09] bye === herve [~herve@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === venda groans, "GNOME is too slow" [09:11] froud: I'm working on the patch [09:11] good [09:12] venda is rebbbbbboting [09:17] froud: committed! [09:18] froud: got it? [09:19] got it [09:20] running fakeroot [09:20] you're actually running debian/rules under a fakeroot environment [09:20] fakeroot is cute: you run it as a user, and you are root [09:20] yep [09:21] where did you say it should put the packages [09:21] one directory above the trunk [09:21] fakeroot debian/rules binary; cd .. and you find the packagse [09:21] uhhh huh! [09:21] are they there? [09:21] you can navigate inside them with mc, if you want [09:22] yep I have themmm [09:22] ok. Try installing just ubuntu-docs: it's the one showing prolbems [09:28] enrico: what's the command for installing from a local package [09:28] sudo apt something [09:28] my system keeps looking online [09:29] dpkg -i .deb [09:29] ah ha [09:29] toatl debs newbiew here === froud scratches for rpm [09:29] froud: apt-get install rpm :) [09:30] I just suggest you don't use it on a Debian system ;) [09:30] sure [09:30] I gotta learn this stuff anyways === venda [~sean@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:31] sean@venda:~/ubuntu-doc $ sudo dpkg -i ubuntu-docs_0.1-1_all.deb [09:31] Selecting previously deselected package ubuntu-docs. [09:31] (Reading database ... 74492 files and directories currently installed.) [09:31] Unpacking ubuntu-docs (from ubuntu-docs_0.1-1_all.deb) ... [09:31] Setting up ubuntu-docs (0.1-1) ... [09:31] Registering documentation.done. [09:32] done? No errors? [09:32] as you see above [09:32] uhm... /me thinks about something... [09:32] I have an idea... [09:33] wonder what 'appens if I install the rest [09:33] In part it's debian that still hasn't fixed the "xsltproc loads from network" problem [09:33] then it says it can't load external entity REVISION and VERSION [09:34] I need to add those as well [09:35] sean@venda:~/ubuntu-doc $ sudo dpkg -i ubuntu-quickguide_0.1-1_all.deb [09:35] Selecting previously deselected package ubuntu-quickguide. [09:35] (Reading database ... 75099 files and directories currently installed.) [09:35] Unpacking ubuntu-quickguide (from ubuntu-quickguide_0.1-1_all.deb) ... [09:35] Setting up ubuntu-quickguide (0.1-1) ... [09:35] sean@venda:~/ubuntu-doc $ [09:35] no prroblems there [09:35] uhm.. I think it's ignoring some problems [09:35] hmm is there a verbose mode like rpm :-) [09:35] -v [09:36] or -vvv [09:36] shouldn't be: that's scrollkeeper, not dpkg [09:36] let me fix that [09:37] testing... [09:37] If I get it right both on Debian Sid and on Hoary, I'm happy [09:37] well on hoary current revision in dev brach it seems ok [09:38] if you run yelp, can you see the two documents? [09:38] They should show up somehow in yelp's table of contents [09:38] sivang: hello! [09:38] sivang: are you there? [09:38] run it from menus [09:39] nada [09:39] :-( [09:40] right... now there is to be figured out how to do good OMF files... [09:40] ...and I'm considering poking someone from #ubuntu-devel for it [09:40] have you installed all of the documents, or only ubuntu-docs? [09:41] try viewing the about-ubuntu.xml file with yelp: I get quite some "MISSING XINCLUDE CONTENT" [09:42] The folder structure is not as we discussed [09:42] No: the User's guide is just no installed :) [09:43] I thought all would be in share/docs/ubuntu-docs/ [09:43] I should package chap-ubuntu in the ubuntu-docs package instead of the user's guide [09:43] you lost me [09:43] no, it's share/ubuntu-docs (for the xml files) and /usr/share/doc/ for the HTML versions [09:43] the about-ubuntu.xml document xincludes parts from the user's guide [09:43] but the user's guide is not installed on the system [09:44] yes that is true [09:44] Can we move those contents to the about-ubuntu.xml and xinclude from the User's Guide instead? [09:45] That would make things so much easier (the User's Guide would depend on the about-ubuntu package anyway) [09:46] yes let's do it [09:46] yelp it bitching about all sorts of stuff for quick guide [09:47] ok hang in there leme move the stuff [09:50] froud: ok [09:52] enrico: ok that should do it === enrico svnups [09:54] what's the dpkg update command [09:54] just dpkg -i [09:54] dpkg is able to understand that a version is installed already, so it's an update :) [09:54] hmm ok easy to remember. Nothing lik elearning on the fly [09:58] enrico: I moved the content to the wrong place [10:00] froud: :) But interestingly enough, scrollkeeper stopped complaining [10:00] yes [10:00] (however, yelp still can't find the xincluded parts) [10:00] i move it to about-ubuntu.xml [10:01] I am moving to qg [10:02] no,please [10:02] move it to about-ubuntu, not to qg [10:02] else, I have the same problem [10:02] I did about ubuntu [10:02] now we need the stuff in qg [10:03] oh, ok. gq needs to point to about-ubuntu now [10:03] did you commit the baout-ubuntu changes? [10:03] for now I am just making a copy [10:03] not yet [10:04] ok now [10:05] I test them while you hack on the rest [10:06] what rest there are more problems [10:07] Oh, no, I mean, on the quickguide [10:07] do svn up [10:07] quick guide is fiiiixed [10:08] can you yelp /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/C/about-ubuntu-xml ? [10:09] just about to try [10:09] done new build an dinstall [10:10] yelp is having fun of me [10:10] it's telling me "MISSING XINCLUDE" when there are no XINCLUDES there. It must be caching things [10:10] nope cant [10:11] why can't? What problem? [10:11] cant open about-ubuntu [10:11] says its not well formed [10:11] buut that is not true [10:11] cause I did valid check [10:14] now I am confused it works in qg and not for releasenotes or about ubuntu [10:14] oh, blah. .svn directories in the package. I should remember to export before building (altohugh this doesn't impact xml) [10:14] release notes works for me [10:14] hmm you sure [10:14] but I'm not hoary [10:15] lemme try on suse [10:15] it works on suse [10:16] but the about ubuntu has problems [10:17] seems yelp does not know what to do with the article [10:17] and cant find the image [10:17] the ubuntu image === enrico ponders a rain of bug reports [10:17] but release notes looks good [10:17] but I cant load it on hoary from usr.share .. [10:19] but the release notes load from svn src on hoary [10:20] I think it is yelp that does not know what to do with article documents [10:20] something wrong: in the build dir, without even building the debian package, I can't yelp about-ubuntu.xsml [10:20] something wrong: in the build dir, without even building the debian package, I can't yelp about-ubuntu.xml [10:20] at least not ones that have para, para, paraaaaaa, sect1, sect2 [10:20] nor the release notes [10:21] ok, I must go sleep. Look atthis with fresh eyes in the morning [10:21] lemme start from the top in the morning and work through it [10:22] yes, that's a good idea [10:22] Unfortuantely, tomorrow I'll be working [10:22] all docs checkout as valid and well-formed in the repos [10:22] and I'll have a meeting in the evening [10:22] but it seems Yelp is all cocked [10:22] I'll be back operative on wed evening [10:22] that's fine [10:22] yes: it seesm to me a bit off [10:22] I think we should involve the devels on this one [10:23] b 4 we go [10:23] is there a problem to run about and release under firefox [10:23] why do we need yelp for them [10:23] I dont recall us tartgeting those docs for yelp [10:24] yes, the idea was to try to integrate them in the help system [10:24] Then I will hav eto change the xml structure so that yelp likes it [10:24] the gnome team did not impliment all docbook xsl [10:24] so this is why we have the problems [10:25] I will check the yelp source in the morning [10:25] but the about ubuntu problems seem to be a different thing [10:25] I really suggest you involve the devels right from the start [10:25] I cant remember seeing a template ffor the article tag [10:25] I'll try to ping them now [10:25] no not now [10:26] just need clear head [10:26] k [10:26] to figure out how help tackles artcles [10:26] yelp is such a crippled app [10:26] shaunm does not have enough time to hack it [10:26] so it's patching in places [10:27] Im off. c ya later [10:29] venda: see you! [10:29] chow [11:03] enrico: now i am [11:03] enrico: Whassup? :) [11:07] some .debs to try [11:07] enrico: shoot :) [11:07] enrico: where are them? [11:07] if you want to svn up the documentation, build the debs and try to install them [11:07] svn up the documentation [11:08] fakeroot debian/rules binary [11:08] then give them a try [11:08] check if you can see the HTML, and if you can access things with yelp [11:11] enrico: svn: PROPFIND of '/repos': could not connect to server (http://docteam.ubuntu.com:8080) [11:11] how can I create a new archive? [11:11] sorry, [11:11] I mean, I want to reset my folder [11:11] sivan... it's using https now [11:11] oh [11:12] well, and I still have a username and a password? [11:12] now it's https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk [11:12] so svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ? [11:12] you'll have to do svn switch --relocate [11:13] oops, I alrady deleted the old folder :-/ [11:13] then checkout a new one [11:13] now, I think I told you at least 5 times how to get a password inthe new repo [11:14] I sent a mail to the list twice about it, and I pointed you at the link using IRC [11:17] please try to do a short list search before asking me how to have the password in the new repository... [11:23] ok, sure, sorry [11:24] I'm way swaped with some stuff I am fighting to finish before preview freeze, so I may check this at a later stage when I've finished it, and do all the neccessary reading, I'm sorry again. [11:25] enrico: I thought the pkgs are already in the repository