thoreauputicjjman: nothing12:00
xaochunssam: unfortunately the box im trying to upgrade the kernel with has no network (thats why im upgrading kernel infact ;-) )12:00
kentjjman, stable system with newest gnome?12:00
ssamjjman, ubuntu get uptodate pakages12:00
fgubuntujjman, there is a beautiful wiki page about that12:00
thoreauputicjjman: just easier in Ubuntu, I suppose12:00
zymei will bake this hnome12:00
foznotjjman: i would say the release dates of ubuntu being the biggest difference over debian12:00
ssamxaochun, hmmm12:00
jjmanwell, can i get all the up to date packages in debian the same way i can get them in ubuntu12:01
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xaochunssam: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/warty/devel/linux-source- does that seem like its the one?12:01
Vjazjjman: Ubuntu is targeted specifically at desktop system and supports less architectures. As a result, releases are more frequent and it's easier to use.12:01
thoreauputicjjman: if you are experienced with debian, stay with it - ubuntu is nice but you probably don't need it12:01
zymehow to install debian package12:01
Libbyouch, midnight, i'll try again tomorrow i think :-)12:02
xaochunactually i dunno even if that will fix the problem - does ndiswrapper require kernel source?12:02
ssamxaochun, id imagine at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/12:02
Vjazjjman: Ubuntu uses apt-get so yes, you can upgrade your packages very easily.12:02
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thoreauputiczyme: if it's a stand-alone deb, sudo dpkg -i <packagename>12:02
jjmanwell im not experinced with debian, nor unbuntu12:02
Libbygoodnight all12:02
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thoreauputicjjman: well, ubuntu will have a less steep learning curve in general12:03
jjmanbut i dont have any blank cd's and from what i understand debian is the only choice that i can do an install from the internet12:03
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xaochunssam: thanks mate i see it :-D12:03
S2K jjman you could always use gentoo...12:03
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RootsLINUXjjman, can't you order ubuntu CDs and have them shipped to you for free?12:03
RootsLINUXThat's what I heard a couple people say12:03
S2Kjjman, gentoo installs over the internet12:03
jjmani supoose12:03
zyme package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)12:03
jjmandosent gentoo have a long compile time when you are trying to build sources12:04
ssamthere are plenty of ubuntu cd on ebay for a few pounds12:04
thoreauputicRootsLINUX: yes, but it takes a few weeks12:04
zymei thought those two worked with each other12:04
ssamor google cheap linux cds12:04
thoreauputicjjman: it's possible to install gentoo from binaries12:04
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S2Kjjman: yes, insanely long.12:04
ssamzyme i386 packages will run on any amd or intel12:04
RootsLINUXI've been thinking about switching from debian to ubuntu when my new PC arrives (next week) and I build it, but... meh12:04
thoreauputicjjman: I would recommend debian or ubuntu , of course *grin*12:05
RootsLINUXI hate the idea of not having a root account12:05
S2Kthoreauputic: but that ruins the 'fun' of gentoo, plus #gentooers will laugh at you.12:05
RootsLINUXJust seems to "un-linux" to me12:05
VjazRootsLINUX: There is a root account. It just doesn't have a password. Just 'sudo passwd root' to set one.12:05
ssamyou can turn the root account on12:05
thoreauputicS2K: indeed - since I run debian and ubuntu they already do ;-)12:05
jjmanthe reason i dont want gentoo is becuase i like the idea of apt-get, and unbuntu seems to be even more easy to use becuase of the synptaic utilty12:05
S2Kand #debianers used to laugh at me.12:06
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Vjazjjman: You could just install synaptic on a regular Debian system if you wanted.12:06
thoreauputicjjman: half true - debian has synaptic too12:06
foznoti cannot get xmms or realplayer to even start now, any suggestions?12:06
thoreauputicapt-get install synaptic12:06
S2Kfoznot: you're not being specific enough12:06
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S2Khow do i enable talk on ubuntu?12:07
foznotok, i run xmms or run realplay and nothing starts, happens, no error message even from the command line12:07
thoreauputicfoznot: try running them from a terminal to get error messages12:07
jesus_I'm following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper but i don't have that package in synaptics.12:07
foznoti just did with xmms, nothing12:07
thoreauputicfoznot: sorry, slow typing12:08
jjmanso basiclly i could do whatever I wanted to do with unbuntu on debian, even install synaptic and upgrade all the out dated utilitys to the newest once like unbuntu has?12:08
S2Ki installed ytalk but i need to enable messages for users...12:08
foznotit was xmms would pre-buffer and then not play12:08
kenthmm,  i pluged in my Camera in Hoary, and it seems that i cant unmount it from gnome since gamin uses the folder some how..  strange :(12:08
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S2Kkent: gamin?12:08
thoreauputicjjman: more or less - although the ubuntu gnome is more recent for instance12:08
speelugh man how come most debian made packaged dont work with ubuntu? i mean common its based on debian even tho it has its own twist this is unbelivable12:08
ssambut debian does not have naked people (or are we bored of that joke these days)12:08
fel_newbie question, when i download sources and there isnt any ubuntu download, (Videolan for xample) do i download the debian source then or what?12:09
Jerubfel_: have you enabled the 'universe' repository?12:09
S2Kspeel: ubuntu's packages are probably packaged separately to ensure the happiest user experience12:09
ssamubuntu is very update and still very stable12:09
fel_Jerub, no i havent done anything.12:09
mjrvideolan is in universe12:09
thoreauputicspeel: using debian packages on ubuntu is *strongly* deprecated12:09
kentS2K, yes, gamin.  if i run umount from a terminal, it says it is in use of some program. And when i check with "fuser" it says gamin is using the /media/usbdisk.  And i cant seem to unmount it :(12:09
S2Kkent: i've no idea what gamin is...12:10
fel_so i guess i should read about repositires then? i dont really know what that is.12:10
S2Khave you tried force-unmounting ?12:10
Vjazjjman: Debian's stable release is three years old. If you want more recent packages, you need to use the 'testing' distribution or the 'unstable' distribution (which might not be a good idea).12:10
jjmanokk, so I have unbuntu.iso on my computer. is there any way at all that i can install unbuntu from my harddrive without actually haveing to burn the cd?12:10
kentS2K, its some sort of file-tracking thing.12:10
Jerubfel_: hold on.12:10
speelyea but its sad debian repos are suprior to ubuntus even the backport repos for ubuntu .. most apps are out of date and what not12:10
ssamhoary will have kernel 2.6.11, xorg 6.8.2, gnome 2.10, gimp 2.2.3 openoffice2 (as an option i think)12:10
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fel_Jerub, , ok.12:10
S2Kkent: try force unmounting12:10
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S2Kumount -f i think12:10
kentS2K, i did sudo umount /media/usbdisk -f  but it wont work.12:11
zymehow do i enable sci-emulation?12:11
Vjazjjman: There's some information on alternative installation methods on the Ubuntu website I think.12:11
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xaochuni hope i dont need any more packages to recompile :-/12:11
Vjazjjman: I doubt they are very easy or very supported. :-P12:11
KarlosisHi there, I have a plan, tell me if I am up for trouble.12:11
S2Kkent: if you don't mind killing gamin... you could do that, too..12:11
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thoreauputicjjman: I think you'd have to loop mount the iso - I believe it's possible but I don't know the details12:11
KarlosisI currently run Debian Sid (x86_64) and have added Ubuntu to the sources list12:11
xaochunspeel: full compat?12:12
S2Kspeel: that'd be very hard, debian packages aren't even always compat with each other12:12
Vjazjjman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto12:12
thoreauputicKarlosis: you're up for trouble12:12
KarlosisWill Debian and Ubuntu be half-way able to coexist12:12
Jerubfel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801/view12:12
thoreauputichalf-way is about right12:12
jjmanthanks Vjaz12:12
fel_Jerub, thank you.12:12
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KarlosisWhat fields of trouble can i expect?12:12
Jerubfel_: use method 2, 12:12
speelyea but ubuntu is based on debian12:12
FELyes, sir.12:12
S2KKarlosis: that's like using apt and portage on the same computer12:13
YomicWhat is that characyer?12:13
kentS2K, it just restarts and wont let me unmount it.  Im afraid that, since Hoary has had problems with vfat devices unplugged without unmounting, if i just unplug it my computer will crash :(12:13
Jerubspeel: hi. until you've been a package maintainer, please, keep the anger level down ;)12:13
S2Kspeel: so? xandros and linspire are based on debian, doesn't mean they'll work12:13
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S2Kkent: sorry, i don't run ubuntu so i can't help with ubuntu specific problems12:14
KarlosisWell, so I better stick with Ubuntu only in my sources.list?12:14
speeli know just ranting :P12:14
mdkeis it just me, or does anyone else get annoyed by the fact that the progress bar in gnome, when it gets further than half-way, makes the "time remaining" practically impossible to see?12:14
kentS2K, i run the unstable branchs of ubuntu so its only me to blame. But,  the computer did not crash when i unplugged the camera, so im happy now.12:14
KarlosisI am avid of KDE, does Ubuntu have something like it in "multiverse" ?12:14
mdkeKarlosis, kde itself12:14
mdkemaybe universe12:15
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Devianthow does one swtch to KDE12:15
S2KKarlosis: kde hurts my brain, too many things to click12:15
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mdkeapt-get install kde12:15
Karlosisreally, I always thought Ubuntu was Gnome only, this is good news12:15
S2KDeviant: just install kde and set your desktop manager to use it12:15
njanKarlosis, it's in universe, it's just not officially supported.12:15
FELJerub, i tried to edit the file with nano but it says i cannot write to it.12:15
KarlosisS2K: I do trim it down to where there is only things that I actually ever click12:15
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KarlosisSo I wouldn't need to keep Debian in my sources.list for that reason12:16
S2KKarlosis: ahh, that makes sense12:16
mdkehas anyone else noticed that thing about the time remaining in dialogues in gnome? Or is it just my theme or something?12:16
thoreauputicKarlosis: the ubuntu repositories contain essentially everything the debian ones contain12:16
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JerubFEL: use sudo to do it.12:17
JerubFEL: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list12:17
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KarlosisI see.... if un-supported, more or less a recompile with -ubuntu build depends12:17
thoreauputicKarlosis: if you enable the universe and multiverse repositories you'll find almost everything12:17
Ex-Cyberhow can I reinitialize video if X locks up and I have to kill it via sysrq?12:17
jesus_is it normal tat when i open synaptics package stuff the "ndiswrapper-tools" aren't listed?12:17
FELJerub, , thanks again.12:17
KarlosisThat's great... Ok, then I guess it's time to switch :)12:17
thoreauputicKarlosis: only the restricted formats/unfree stuff is tricky - just as with debian12:17
jjmanVjaz on those sites, installing from a knopix live cd12:18
JerubEx-Cyber: /etc/init.d/gdm start12:18
mdkejesus_, maybe its in non-free12:18
jjmanVjaz does it download unbuntu from the internet, or do i need to have a copy on my network or something to that effect?12:18
Ex-CyberJerub: I think I tried that, didn't seem to get much done12:18
Karlosisnod thoreauputic12:18
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KarlosisI don't like non-free stuff at all12:18
S2Kanybody know how to enable user-to-user messages so 'write' and 'talk' work?12:18
mdkejesus_, actually its in the normal repository12:18
JerubEx-Cyber: ps auxw | grep gdm12:18
Vjazjjman: I have no idea.12:18
JerubEx-Cyber: see if it's still running.12:18
KarlosisDoes Unbuntu do amd64 just like Debian does?12:18
JerubKarlosis: yes.12:19
mdkejesus_, ndiswrapper-utils12:19
KarlosisI mean no lib64 sh... fine things12:19
Ex-CyberJerub: that doesn't really work when I'm in the aforementioned situation12:19
KarlosisWhat they call pure64 I mean.12:19
Ex-Cyberbut I've tried stop and force-reload as well12:19
thoreauputicKarlosis: there's an AMD64 version and a ppc version12:19
KarlosisI mean, will it be compatible to my machine12:19
thoreauputicI'm running both i386 and ppc version12:19
KarlosisYou see, I am not going to install something new... unless I buy a new machine :p12:20
thoreauputicKarlosis: that's up to you then ;)12:20
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KarlosisWith Debian based things, you can normally switch easily12:20
FELJerub, ok i've completed the steps but what do i do now? :P I still haven't got vlc.12:20
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Karlosisok, when will Ubuntu release :p12:20
JerubFEL: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install12:20
thoreauputichoary in april12:20
FELaaha apt-get INSTALL .. i just tried apt-get vlc.12:21
mdkefirst release last october12:21
thoreauputicevery 6 months12:21
zymeubuntu is full of broken promises :(12:21
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Ex-CyberI would love ubuntu if I didn't get stupid GLX lockups12:21
mdkehi zyme12:21
thoreauputiczyme: such as?12:21
zenroxmay 4th right12:21
Ex-Cyberbut I don't think those can be blamed on Ubuntu as such, it's just that it kind of limits my choices in diagnosing it12:21
mdkeEx-Cyber, you can fix em12:21
zymelol i just cant get anything to work like it says it should12:21
Ex-Cybermdke: that's news to me12:22
mdkeEx-Cyber, linux takes a little bit of extra effort sometimes12:22
FELJerub, no it says alot of stuff about dependencies12:22
mdkebut it pays to stick with a distro12:22
KarlosisI just wanted to ask my all-time Debian question, thoreauputic12:22
zenroxand the extra work pays off12:22
Ex-Cybermdke: I know, I was running Slackware 8 years ago12:22
mdkeuntil now?12:23
Ex-Cybernah, I've been through several distros12:23
mdkewell if it worked on others, then you can definitely fix it12:23
JerubFEL: okay, try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" first.12:23
JerubFEL: that will install a large number of packages probably.12:23
Ex-Cybermdke: the problem first developed in Gentoo; I think it's connected to DRM12:24
FELJerub, ok i'll give it a shoot12:24
FELerr, a try.12:24
JerubEx-Cyber: 'shot'.12:24
Jerubsorry, Fel.12:24
Ex-Cybermdke: I would say it's a hardware problem except that I don't get it under Win2K at all12:24
KarlosisWill xorg autoconfigure?12:24
mdkeEx-Cyber, card?12:25
Ex-Cybermdke: Radeon 850012:25
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FELJerub, it said no packages were installed.12:25
mdkeEx-Cyber, i take it you've searched the net and bugzillas and such?12:25
zymei give up, time for windows xp12:25
mdkeEx-Cyber, are you running xfree?12:25
mdkezyme, noooooooooo12:25
JerubFEL: okay, I'm confused as to why you're getting dependancy problems. can you paste the output of "sudo apt-get install vlc" into rafb.net/paste for me?12:25
mdkezyme, tell us your problems12:25
FELJerub, i could but its in swedish :\12:25
Ex-Cybermdke: not entirely sure which things to search beyond lkml and xorg mailing lists, but the only thing I found that seemed relevant at all was supposed to have been fixed in September12:26
Ex-Cybermdke: xorg12:26
Ex-Cyberbut I got the same problem with xfree12:26
zymeit says i should enable scsi emulation and to look at the manual for it, so i do and the manual tells me that i dont need to enable scsi emulation, so i look somewhere else and it says to use edit some module file so i read on how to do that and open the man pages for it and it tells me to delete the command12:26
zymeits so ridiculous12:26
mdkeEx-Cyber, are you running your own kernel?12:27
Ex-Cybermdke: nope12:27
FELJerub, here's the output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/afRzoa31.html12:27
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thoreauputiczyme: cdrecord issues?12:27
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jesus_I have ndiswrapper installed and I have the windows XP .inf file, but i get parse errors when i type ndiswrapper -i bla.inf12:27
thoreauputicah well12:27
jesus_and even so, what's the use of an .inf file?12:27
jesus_the .inf file isn't the driver, right?12:28
mdkemight be12:28
chillywillyjesus_: hello Lord12:28
JerubFEL: hmm. there's definately something wrong. you didn't comment out the 'normal' repositories when you uncommented the universe ones did you?12:28
Ex-Cybermdke: this has kind of been a hair-pulling problem for a while... originally it seemed that the card was overheating or something12:29
FELJerub, no here's the two i commented out:12:29
Viper12anyone else have any problems in a 'clean' hoary install with totem movie player failing to start with a 'resource busy or not available'????12:29
FEL deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe12:29
FEL deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe12:29
Ex-CyberI got extremely slow (worse than what I would expect from VESA) 2D drawing12:29
mdkeEx-Cyber, sounds bizarre12:29
Ex-Cyberuntil I cleaned out the fansink12:29
mdkeits not an unusual card is it12:29
Ex-Cyberbut I think the GLX lockups are unrelated12:29
KarlosisWhat is this: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!12:29
Ex-Cyberbecause they're too consistent and I can't get them to occur with glxgears12:29
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KarlosisI get it when installing gimp-python12:30
mdkeKarlosis, erm it might be a dodgy download?12:30
Karlosisbefore it downloaded12:30
Ex-Cybermdke: the fansink looks nearly useless, but apart from that I wouldn't call it unusual12:31
KarlosisI upgraded to ubuntu apt, and it even removed the package12:31
KarlosisI have the same with eric and bittornado12:31
mdkeKarlosis, you did what?12:31
Ex-Cyberit's a retail Radeon 8500 64MB12:31
mdkeEx-Cyber, hmm12:31
mdkeEx-Cyber, sounds like you've done plenty of research on the problem...12:31
KarlosisAfter puting Ubuntu universe in my apt sources, I upgraded my Debian Sid apt to Ubuntu apt12:32
KarlosisThat made apt remove the packages, and now i get the complaint12:32
mdkeare you following some kind of guide?12:32
BrianAnthonydoes anyone know the command in mysql to show the tables in the DB12:32
mdkeKarlosis, i would recommend doing so for such a complex transformation of OS12:32
Ex-Cyberactually, don't xscreensaver modules use GLX?12:33
mdkesome do12:33
Ex-CyberI think I've only had a couple lockups with xscreensaver, even left running for quite a while12:33
Plukxscreensaver-gl does12:33
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Karlosismdke: Well... I hope that Debian and Ubuntu are similar enough12:33
mrothhmm.. are there any programs in main that will burn a .cue/.bin cd image?12:33
mdkeis it just me, or does anyone else get annoyed by the fact that the progress bar in gnome, when it gets further than half-way, makes the "time remaining" practically impossible to see? or is this just my theme? or can i alter the text colour?12:34
mdkeKarlosis, there are guides on changing I'm sure12:34
Karlosiswhere should i start looking for (other than google), mdke ?12:34
mdkei'll have a look12:34
Ex-Cybermdke: it's probably your theme, if it's there in default I think gnome takes that kind of problem pretty seriously and has a bugzilla category dedicated to it12:34
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kaosHow do you set synaptic to a local hard drive directory12:35
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FELJerub,  thanks for your help but im off to winxp for a while :P12:35
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kaosDoes anyone know how to set up a local hard disk repository12:36
Ex-CyberI'm contemplating Windows myself, as much as I hate to... might try Debian or FreeBSD or somesuch though12:36
Karlosisman apt-get shows that it's a feature12:37
Karlosisthere is even --allow-unauthenticated switch....12:37
KarlosisSeemingly everything in universe needs that12:37
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wylie348hello all12:37
aeolisthi there12:38
crazydeb8rHey everyone...kind of a liinux newbie, and I had a question...12:38
JerubFEL: just verify you have a total of 2 'deb' lines and 2 'deb-src' lines in your sources.list12:38
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crazydeb8rand I have a crappy keyboard to boot...12:38
Jerubcrazydeb8r: there's one 'i' in linux.12:38
mdkeEx-Cyber, i am searching bz12:38
mdkeKarlosis, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge12:38
mdkethere is a section in there12:38
Karlosisthanks a lot mdke12:38
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crazydeb8rUhm, I hahve a Belkin f5d6020 wireless card (rev 2) and I hear the atmel_cs drivers are in the kernel, but it doesn't want to work12:39
Ex-Cybermdke: thanks... I don't hold out a lot of hope at this point, but I'll at least wait for you to try if you want to :)12:39
mdkeEx-Cyber, i meant on the progress bar thing12:39
saphari_does anyone got  some time to talk me stupid girl through getting music of some sort set up?12:39
mdkehaven't got a clue about your glx faults12:39
kaosDoes anyone know how to set up a local hard disk repository12:39
mdkesaphari_, just mention you're a girl and we'll flock round12:40
wylie348speaking of progress bars - has anyone here figured out how to get gkrellm to display hard disk space remaining with horizontal bars?12:40
Jerubsaphari_: even if you're not.12:40
mdkeJerub, hush12:40
Jerubsaphari_: have you got a cd or something with mp3s or audio on it?12:40
Ex-Cybermdke: well, you're in good company :P12:40
crazydeb8roh, you know he's right...12:40
LinuxJoneskaos, you should check google for apt-proxy12:41
saphari_i downloade realplayer last night and don't know what to do with it,  and now i put a cd in and it plays with no sound12:41
Jerubapt-proxy - Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder development12:41
Jerubits in the package list.12:41
mdkesaphari_, step 112:41
mdkecheck volume control12:41
saphari_ok,  go slow ok :)12:42
saphari_its fine12:42
mdkeshould be a volume icon on the top bar12:42
mdkedouble click12:42
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Jerubsaphari_: do you have sound effects?12:42
crazydeb8rHey guys, i know you're busy helping the lady, but I doubt she needs both of you...any thought on the wireless card?12:43
mdkenot a clue12:43
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saphari_no sound effects12:43
mdkecrazydeb8r, do you have a light on it?12:43
crazydeb8ryeah, it lights12:43
mdkewhat does ifconfig tell you12:44
crazydeb8rat first, nothing12:44
saphari_yes sound effects12:44
crazydeb8rif I modprobe atmel_cs I can get cardinfo to recognize the card, but only after I edit wireless.conf, i think12:44
crazydeb8rthen I can't pass any options to it...12:44
mdkeit should all be automatic12:45
crazydeb8ri know.12:45
mdkewhat options do you wanna pass?12:45
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crazydeb8ri'm in a dorm...there's 5 routers12:45
crazydeb8rit'll switch between them without it12:45
crazydeb8rit's the nerd dorm12:45
crazydeb8rit's called niedfeldt...we call iit nerdfeldt...12:45
crazydeb8rit's a happy place.12:45
bI just got my new Ubuntu sys setup and like it12:46
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crazydeb8rb: me too.12:46
mdkedid you try using the gui network setup util?12:46
crazydeb8rno...there's a GUI setup util on LINUX?12:46
mdkesaphari_, is it yes or no to sound effects12:46
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bhow does that work Mdke?12:46
mdkecrazydeb8r, you are using ubuntu right?12:46
crazydeb8rmy goodness...come a long way since mandrake 812:46
crazydeb8rIi am.12:46
mdkecrazydeb8r, what version?12:46
saphari_i heard a bonking noice,  does that count as a sound effect12:47
mdkegreat answer12:47
bcan someone help me with Mandrake here?12:47
jjmansaphari your on linux?12:47
crazydeb8ruhm, Warty12:47
bj kidding...lol12:47
crazydeb8rthe new one12:47
crazydeb8rI think12:47
chillywillyanyone know what the address is for?12:47
mdkecrazydeb8r, ok you can either edit the file /etc/network/interfaces or use the gui in the system menu12:47
Jerubchillywilly: multicast.12:47
bis Warty 10 the newest one?12:47
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Jerubb: warty was released in october last year. so yes. warty 10 is the newest one.12:48
saphari_this is all new to me,  you folks will see me here a lot,  hope that's ok12:48
bIs it the newest Ubuntu?12:48
zenroxsaphari_,  hang out and learn12:48
Jerubb: it is the most recently released ubuntu12:49
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zenroxsaphari_, www.ubuntuguide.org and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki for info12:49
saphari_it is like cats talking you know,  i don't understand to i get to it12:49
staticoanybody heard of the i2c-keywest module?12:49
bthanks, I just got it setup and updated through synaptic...seems to work good so far12:49
jjmansaphari are you hot12:49
KarlosisIs there something like testing in Ubuntu, i.e. a link that will be moved from warty -> hoary -> next?12:50
saphari_omg,   lmao,   are you nuts?12:50
mdkeKarlosis, yes12:50
jjmani bet you are :P12:50
Karlosishow is it called mdke?12:50
crazydeb8rjjman: breathe dude. it's a lady.12:50
Pinguvini only get sounds in xine, totem, vlc etc when i start the programs from a terminal.. why?12:50
mdkeKarlosis, right now it is hoary12:50
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mdkecrazydeb8r, lol12:50
saphari_do not lady's come in here?12:51
Karlosisbut well, what should i put in my sources.list if i want to be always on the latest?12:51
bany suggestions for optimizing Ubuntu?12:51
crazydeb8rokay saphari_: they do occasionally12:51
jjmanim just kidding saphari please excuse my rudeness12:51
crazydeb8rbut not as much as nerdy guys12:51
saphari_its ok,  i like all the attention,  lol12:51
mdkeKarlosis, why do you want to be?12:51
Jerubb: put it in a machine near a window.12:52
thoreauputicsaphari_: pay no attention - some people here have a bad case of testosterone poisoning ;-)12:52
mdkeb, it is already pretty aggressively optimised12:52
Karlosismdke: Because I like progress :p12:52
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crazydeb8rlol thoreauputic12:52
saphari_see i want to know something about computers my brother doesn't12:52
saphari_he uses windows12:52
mdkeKarlosis, well you have to change each time they do12:52
bI was able to set it up to do everything faily quickly12:52
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jjmanleraning linux takes alot out of ya12:53
crazydeb8rsaphari_, i admire you greatly for that.12:53
jjmanno its fun actually12:53
saphari_i want to learn it all12:53
saphari_i know i will in time12:53
Jerubsaphari_: have you discovered the ubuntu wiki yet?12:53
Viper12sorry. lol12:53
jjmanare you interested in programming?12:53
saphari_i don't know12:53
mdkesaphari_, the links in the channel topic are really good. the guide is very good for getting things working12:54
JDahljjman, learning any OS takes effort - people sometimes forget just how clueless they were when they unpacked their first computer12:54
saphari_got to learn rhis first just got it installed last night12:54
crazydeb8rsaphari_: you picked the right distribution (ubuntu) to learn.12:54
Viper12totem movie player telling me 'resource busy or not available'......fresh hoary install, all updates complete.  haven't seen this before.  any ideas?12:54
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jjmanwell linux is better than windows in alot of ways, you probally have spyware and other junk on your windows box...going to linux simply removes all the clutter12:54
mdkenot for long12:55
mdkesoon linux will dominate the world12:55
jjmanand once you learn the basics you can be much more productive as to what you wana do wit linux12:55
mdkethen people will write spyware for linux12:55
Jerubsaphari_: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ may help you. :)12:55
Jerubmdke: yes, but if it means I have to apt-get security-update every night, its a small price to pay.12:55
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jjmanright but at least the spyware wont be able to get more than adminsteror privilages like it does in windows12:56
thoreauputicmdke: this is a bit of a myth: writing spyware for any *nix is seriously difficult12:56
Viper12mdke......how is that gonna happen? lol......linux doesn't open the system to the world to allow that........you're reading M$ propaganda methinks. (no knock...but the system isn't the same as winblows for spyware and crap.)12:56
saphari_how do i open the link on xp-chat?12:56
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jjmanit would need to be a root kit12:56
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mdkehey me?12:56
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thoreauputicmdke: hehe :)12:57
bHow can I get Totem to play dvd, I have installed libdvdcss and yet Totem just ignores it12:57
mdkethoreauputic, harsh ;)12:57
jjmanbretzel you can always use mplayer12:57
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Viper12Linux has more than 3% of the desktop market which is more than mac's user base.......but there still isn't any reason to even use an anti-viral program....12:57
thoreauputicmdke: no, there was a time when trolling was an art, you know ;-)12:57
mdkewindows isn't that insecure, and yet people make spyware and viruses for it12:57
saphari_see i look away once and i am lost12:57
mdkelinux isn't immune12:57
thoreauputicmdke: not alltrolling is bad ;)12:57
crazydeb8rsaphari_, where were you as far as losing sound?12:58
saphari_can you pm me,  you guys go so fast12:58
bseems like I am being ignored... :(  Ubuntu=humaness12:58
Viper12mdke....no computer system is 'immune', but compared to the 'other' operating system, its like a bank vault.12:58
jjmanb= you can use mplayer12:58
Jerubor xine. I much prefer xine.12:58
bThanks JJ  I like Xine too12:59
Jerubsaphari_: learn to keep up.12:59
mdkeViper12, now who's reading propaganda12:59
Viper12uh.....jjman, that's really not an answer.  Ubuntu defaults to Totem, and he wants an answer in regard to that.12:59
Viper12mdke.......you are. lmao12:59
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bbut thought why waste Totem12:59
jjmansorry viper twelve12:59
Jerubsaphari_: technical help is best done in channel, more people that don't know learn, more people that give incorrect advice get sat on.12:59
thoreauputicmdke: right - I write a bit of malware for Linux, I send it to you and say "Please save this to your hard drive then run chmod +x malware-0.0.1-beta, then please type ./malware12:59
Viper12I use totem and it works frickin' great on twomachines of mine.12:59
mdkethoreauputic, i'm sure its more complicated than that01:00
thoreauputicoh by the way you need to do chmod +x as root for maximum effect ... hehe01:00
bbut how to get Totem to read dvd?01:00
jjmanbretzel i think you may need to actually point Totem to the place where your dvd libiares are01:00
shocki use totem-xine :) works wonderfully01:00
Viper12but my question.......was in regard to totem as well. lol....new build (hoary array5)....it refuses to start with resource error.  any ideas?01:00
JDahlthoreauputic, if companies started writing cool 3rd party packages for Ubuntu, I'm sure someone would install them01:00
jjmanb-: i think you may need to actually point Totem to the place where your dvd libiares are01:00
saphari_i just want to hear music01:00
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thoreauputicmdke: my point is, without social engineering it's hard to do on Linux01:00
crazydeb8rheh, perhaps saphari_ needs ALSA or something?01:00
saphari_not cause a problem or get yelled at01:00
Jerubsaphari_: okay, we established earlier that your sound is not working.01:00
Jerubsaphari_: you get no sound effects at all?01:01
bI will try that JJ01:01
jjmanno, she does get sound affects01:01
jjmanright saphari?01:01
mdkethoreauputic, i don't know enough about it, but i'm pretty sure it's not gonna be that simple01:01
Pinguvini need some help here. i only get sounds in totem, xine, vlc when i run the program from a terminal.. why is this?01:01
saphari_when people sign on gaim it has sound01:01
Jerubsaphari_: okay, so you've got sound.01:01
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crazydeb8rwhat program are you using to try to play music?01:01
saphari_the one that came with ubuntu right now,  i said i dounloaded real player but don't know what to do with it01:02
JDahlsaphari_, is it just some apps without sound? maybe some processes are locking the sound device. You could try "fuser -k /dev/dsp", then try again01:02
mdkenite all01:02
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Jerubsaphari_: http://www.somafm.com/ <- in your web browser, click on one of the '128 MP3'01:02
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shadeofgreyhey guys01:03
shadeofgreywhats the ubuntu equivelant to 'Program Files' in windows?01:03
crazydeb8rshadeofgrey, there isn't one really, whats the problem?01:03
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: there's no exact equivalent01:04
OrangeSlicehmm, /usr would be my guess :p01:04
shadeofgreyi downloaded a new text editor (EditPad) and have to put it into its own directory when i install it - and would just like to make sure i place it in the same general area as the rest of my apps that are in the same general vicinity01:04
JDahlshadeofgrey, /usr/local01:04
calamarihow do you like editpad?01:05
Karlosiswhat's good about it?01:05
thoreauputicfamiliarity I expect01:06
shadeofgreyits the best text editor ever written01:06
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Karlosiswhat makes it so?01:06
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: hehe - "how to start a *nix flamewar"01:06
shadeofgreykarlo:  www.editpadpro.com for the full features list01:06
crazydeb8rhah thoreauputic01:06
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shadeofgreybasical;lyu i like it most because it knows how to stay the hell out of my way when im writing code or working on stuff for my novels01:07
crazydeb8rI can hear them now..."I prefer straight vim command line"01:07
OrangeSlicenano is the best01:07
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt01:07
Nekohayonano powre01:07
shadeofgreyokay...  /usr/local/ doesnt have very much in it01:07
crazydeb8rtold ya.01:07
bemacs rules!!!01:07
thoreauputiced! ed is the editor! ed man! man ed!01:07
KarlosisYou might want to look at Kate01:07
OrangeSliceemacs tries to be too many things in one01:07
OrangeSliceI don't like it01:07
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Nekohayohmm can I get some advice on a small shell script?01:07
calamariOrangeSlice: I'm still using nano 1.2.3 so my delete doesn't work :P01:07
KarlosisIf you like the feature list of editpad, Kate certainly outdoes what's listed there01:08
OrangeSlicerarely enough that I have to open an editor01:08
Viper12was waiting for someone to say something about emacs. lol.01:08
JDahlshadeofgrey, that's how it should be... stuff handled by the package manager goes in /usr, /sbin, etc... whatever you compile yourself should go in /usr/local01:08
OrangeSlicechanging a config is as simple as SED01:08
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: /usr/local is for stuff you install independently01:08
ubernoobNekohayo: ask the question instead of asking if you can ask a question01:08
crazydeb8rwait...that's word processing...01:08
calamariI found Kate.. great editor.. very configurable01:08
Nekohayorename -v "s/@/_a_/" *01:08
Nekohayorename -v "s//e/" *01:08
Nekohayorename -v "s//e/" *01:08
Nekohayorename -v "s//e/" *01:08
Nekohayorename -v "s//e/" *01:08
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samuell1Can someone tell me how to change from gnome to a different window manager?01:08
Nekohayothe problem is that it does not do the rename -v "s//e/" *   part01:08
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calamarikate has the free cursor mode I was looking for, too :)01:09
jjmansamuell1 wmconfig01:09
thoreauputicNekohayo: #flood, PLEASE01:09
mdkedamn. no bed yet. Who knows how to view quicktime mov movies in totem with gstreamer? I have all the plugins and w32codecs installed01:09
KarlosisWhat I like about Kate is that is gives you a Kompare when the file changed on disk01:09
Nekohayowell that's all of it ! >_<01:09
Nekohayothat's _why_ I asked before01:09
KarlosisAnd of course, how the GUI gets out of your way :p01:09
calamarimdke: no idea about totem, but I got mplayer working with quicktime the other day01:09
OrangeSliceomg the K's... evil!01:09
crazydeb8rmdke, mplayer works out of the box01:09
mdkecalamari, yeah i'm pretty sure mplayer will do it01:09
crazydeb8ri did it last night01:09
mdkebut since ubuntu wants me to use totem...01:09
crazydeb8ras far as totem...mmm01:10
crazydeb8rgood point01:10
fscmdke, i just watch a .mov in totem a few hours ago. no problem. i don't even remember apt-getting a plugin01:10
bbet none of you can figure out how to use Realplayer with audiobible online...01:10
fscmdke, i'm on Hoary01:10
bI have the secret01:10
calamaricrazydeb8r: only out of the box if your cpu has SSE2 I found out01:10
JDahlthoreauputic, that's also why ubuntu offers to put /usr/local on a separate partition, so that you dont lose that packages you struggled to compile and install yourself if you reinstall linux01:10
OrangeSlicethe gstreamer backend uses it's own codecs doesn't it?01:10
mdkefsc, hmm me too installed yesterday01:10
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JDahlthoreauputic, that was for shadeofgrey01:10
blinux realplayer barfs many codecs that are commonly used01:11
bespecially Helix blows01:11
samuell1Jjman: Where is wmconfig?01:11
Nekohayooh well, sorry for flooding you off01:11
shadeofgreyokay guys now i need a little help understanding running apps that i install\01:11
mdkefsc, definitely doesn't work :(01:11
calamarianyone know when they will be releasing the latest firefox for warty?  I've been hearing oabout tons of exploits and so I want to stay up to date01:11
OrangeSlicelatest firefox won't be in warty01:12
crazydeb8rmm, k guys...i guess i should haul ass to bed. g'night.01:12
bShade I can explain it to you01:12
OrangeSliceyou'll have to wait for it to be backported, or run it from your home01:12
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ubernoobmy fault! didnt know that Nekohayo was going to flood us :/ try to escape the characters: rename -v s\/e\/\/e01:12
shadeofgreyokay..  i installed editpad.  now how do i create the equivelant to a shortcut for it so that i can put it in the panel at the bottom of my screen that has launch icons for all my apps01:12
Viper12add the 'backports' repository to get the later versions of firefox.01:12
calamariorangeslice: so I have to download it myself then?  how lame01:12
ubernoobif thats the name of the file01:12
shadeofgreybecause editpad is one that ill use CONSTANTLY01:12
bright click panel01:12
bmake a launcher01:12
calamariOrangeSlice: who can I complain to about now bothering to update warty for security patches?01:13
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: just right click the gnome desktop, choose new launcher, put in your command01:13
OrangeSlicewarty is a stable release01:13
KarlosisIf you use it constantly, why do you need to see a button that starts it :p01:13
calamarinow -> not01:13
OrangeSliceit is no longer updated01:13
OrangeSliceat all.  ever.01:13
calamariits not stable if there are security bugs01:13
ubernoobKarlosis: hehe01:13
Jerubcalamari: ..01:13
Jerubcalamari: 'stable' means 'not changing unless we have to due to security'01:13
Jerubcalamari: not 'unbreakable'.01:14
bor, use nautilus, type cntl "l"  then applications:/// in command line01:14
calamarijerub: well, there you go then.. if there is a security problem why don't they fix it?01:14
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: for the panel, same deal, but choose custom launcher01:14
bsee? I know a few things  lol01:14
Jerubcalamari: they should. make sure there's a bug filed against the package.01:14
OrangeSlicestable is when development reaches a point where it "works"01:14
KarlosisThanks to session management, if you run something always.... you never start it manually.01:14
shadeofgreyis a .xpm file an icon file?01:14
calamarijerub: okay.. I'll do that :)  good idea.. thanks :)01:14
bI like the nautilus way better, easy01:15
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KarlosisOne of the great advances on Free Desktops01:15
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thoreauputicor a png or whatever01:15
bputs it in your menu01:15
bdid I help you Shade?01:15
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thoreauputicb unfortunately that only works for warty01:16
bok, is he using something else?01:16
thoreauputicb, probably not ;-)01:16
bI thought Warty was the most recent Ubuntu01:16
thoreauputicb, so your idea is fine01:16
thoreauputicb, most recent stable01:17
bwhat is most recent unstable?01:17
thoreauputicb, hoary is what a lot of people here are running (development version)01:17
bis it available by iso image?01:17
shadeofgreydoes anybody here run the folding@home client on ubuntu?01:18
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shadeofgreybecaujse i ran it constantly on my windows box and would like to continue donating my PC for work on their distributed project for disease research and stuff...01:18
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apokryphosb: yes01:19
bwhat are the advantages of Hoary over Warty?01:19
apokryphosIt's a newer distro?01:19
apokryphosread the site information on hoary01:19
bnewer isnt always better...01:19
calamarib: apparently they01:19
thoreauputicb, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/01:19
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shadeofgreythats something very close to my heart since...  i was born addicted to crack cocaine and heroin..  as a result im permanently handicapped (cerebral palsy) so...  research to fight diseases and such are important to me..01:20
calamarib: apparently they've decided to stop updating warty.. so I guess you'll have to eventually switch if you want updates01:20
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apokryphosb: with distributions on Linux? I've never come across a newest distribution that hasn't been better than the older one.01:20
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calamariseems so much like windows..01:20
shadeofgrey...course - there is no cure for CP - but that doesnt mean i cant help bring hope to other people01:20
apokryphoscalamari: that'll be gnome ;-)01:21
Vjazseems so much like Windows that more recent software is better?01:21
calamariwonder if there are any repositories that keep updating forever01:21
Vjazit sounds like software to me01:21
bdepends on your machine apok, new mandrake sux sor me , old one was fine01:21
calamariapokryphos: I mean having to get the latest version or be cut off01:21
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: I know folding@home is available for linux - I don't know details01:21
shadeofgreyanyway thats more than any of you ever wanted to know about me..  but the same question still remains.. anyof you have experience with installing the folding@home client?01:21
apokryphosb: by all means, please check the site to find out whether it's suitable for you then01:21
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shadeofgreyokay thor.01:21
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shadeofgreyand thanks so much for all your help guys01:22
apokryphoscalamari: It's not so much an issue of that. It just seems unreasonable for the devs to backtrack on old distros, when they could be making progress with the new one, doesn't it?01:22
shadeofgreyi wouldnt have gotten out of that damned and condemned world of windows without you guys01:22
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: btw it's Ok - interesting occasionally to hear something personal about fellow Ubuntu users01:22
apokryphoscalamari: though, please note; Ubuntu officially supports a distro for 18 months01:22
VjazThere will be security updates for Warty for quite a while after Hoary is released, so people will have plenty of time to upgrade.01:22
shadeofgrey...and for as stupid as it may sound i was really desperate to get away from windows....01:22
calamariapokryphos: oh, I don't mean it that way.. go ahead and make the new distro.. but I'd still like to be able to update and get new packages, even if I'm on warty01:23
saphari_i still can't get sound to play for music01:23
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: I understand *that* sentiment well!01:23
shadeofgreythorea:  is there anybody in charge of assistive technology support for ubuntu?  id most fdefinately be able to help as a consultant on that front01:23
JDahlsaphari_, what happens if you type "fuser /dev/dsp"?01:23
calamariapokryphos: i'm still running linux.. it should work, right?  just because it's called "warty" shouldn't mean anything01:23
saphari_i don't know where to type that01:24
Vjazcalamari: The whole idea of a *stable* distribution is that you don't get new packages that might break the stability.01:24
JDahlsaphari_, in a terminal01:24
apokryphoscalamari: of course, no-one is stopping you. It's just that it will be harder, because it won't be from the official repos. Well, for a lot of the stuff.01:24
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: I don't know - but looking on the wiki might find something: also if jdub or crimsun or bob2 are here, ask them01:24
thoreauputicthey are working for canonical I believe01:24
apokryphoscalamari: No-one's saying it's not going to work01:24
calamariVjaz: but you also fade away into the past if you never get access to new programs01:25
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Vjazcalamari: and that's why they make a new release every six months and make it easy to upgrade01:25
bboy , hoary better be good, Warty was (is) wonderful for me now...01:25
kaoscan I install j2re1.4 using:  alien -i j2re-1.3.1_03-3asp.i386.rpm01:25
thoreauputicshadeofgrey: also subscribe to the users mailing list and send a message there if you wish01:25
calamarivjaz: has there ever been a repository where it is always kept up to date?01:26
calamariI know cygwin worked this way01:26
JDahlkaos, why would you want to do that when there are ubuntu packages?01:26
Vjazcalamari: Please rephrase. I don't understand what you're saying. :-P01:27
calamarianytime I went to download a program I'd notice there were several others that I needed to update as well01:27
shadeofgreywhere do i subscribe to the users mailing list?01:27
apokryphosshadeofgrey: lists.ubuntu.com01:27
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calamariso instead of downloading one program, i'd end up downloading a few more.. but I stayed up to date01:27
calamarisee what I mean?01:27
calamarithere was no concept of a stable distro.. you just kept updating01:28
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Vjazcalamari: Yes, but the problem with constant upgrading is that things break easily.01:28
apokryphoscalamari: I'm sorry, I don't see that. Regular updates doesn't necessitate an unstable distro01:28
bI agree with you Vjaz, and 90% of the upgrades are un-needed01:29
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jdubapokryphos: new version upgrades will include new bugs01:29
bTrue Jdub, I have years of experience to prove it too01:30
apokryphosjdub: again, not ncecessarily. But no-one's saying that they have to go and get hoary when it's in early developement, if they're looking to avoid bugs.01:30
thoreauputiccalamari: warty security updates constantly: for the latest apps use hoary01:30
babout 25 to be exact01:30
apokryphosPrecisely. This stuff is all mentioned on the site.01:30
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apokryphosa distro is supported, security etc.. for 18 months.01:31
VjazThere is the option that software would always be updated to the latest release declared stable, but then again, who knows if it really is stable?01:31
calamariso I'm on a sinking ship01:31
jdubapokryphos: sure, new version upgrades may "not necessarily" include new bugs, but they almost always do. instead, we fix the particular issue (security, bugfix), and move on.01:31
bwindows 98 only left supporting with updates this month...01:32
apokryphosjdub: Quite right. And people not wanting to encounter bugs should stick with a distro when it is declared "stable"01:32
thoreauputiccalamari: sorry - how is it sinking when development is continuing daily?01:32
jdubcalamari: there's a new release every six months. only the terminally impatient will have problems with that.01:32
VjazI guess you could assume that all 2.8.x Gnome releases are stable and that there's no problem in upgrading to
apokryphosYou can' thave it both ways -- as you're saying, the latest apps are more likely to have bugs01:32
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apokryphoshaving the latest apps you'll have to deal with the bugs. Bugs are good ;-); they mean "developement". :D01:32
thoreauputiccalamari: you just do a dist-upgrade01:33
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thoreauputiccalamari: you don't need to reinstall01:33
apokryphoscalamari: Nope, you never whipe it. Especially not debian-based systems. Only takes one command to update your distro.01:33
bit really depends what your purposes are01:33
Vjazcalamari: You do not need to wipe out Warty in order to install Hoary.01:33
calamarihow many hours will that take on dialup?01:33
apokryphosquite a few :P01:33
jdubcalamari: when hoary is released, there'll be CDs that you can upgrade with.01:34
calamariI can only stay connected four hours at a time01:34
thoreauputiccalamari: too many  ;-)01:34
bif you want a stable system...use stable apps and stop updates01:34
kaosJDal its a pain in the ass to use synaptic01:34
Vjazcalamari: Pretty long. Do you think it would be any faster if you upgraded every week?01:34
kaosor apt01:34
apokryphostype "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see how many megs it wants to fetch (you can still cancel before it starts)01:34
jdubcalamari: if you really want to do it over your modem, it doesn't matter if you're disconnected while fetching everything01:34
calamarib: you don't understand.. you don't get new apps that way.. I'm not talking about new versions of apps, I'm talking about new apps01:34
apokryphoscalamari: the four hour interval isn't so much of a problem. Apt picks up where it left off.01:34
btrue Apok... and don't use outside source repositories01:34
apokryphosbut you don't want to do that on a modem, anyhow01:34
calamariapokryphos: see what I mean now?01:35
apokryphosb: I do ;-)01:35
apokryphoscalamari: I don't01:35
calamariit'd be so much better if the updates were constant01:35
thoreauputiccalamari: have you looked at the repositories? You have *thousands* of apps at your fingertips!01:35
calamarithen I don't have to go through a major upgrade ordeal every 6 months01:35
jdubcalamari: it's not an ordeal.01:35
bthen u do cuz u dont care if you blow up your os...you are a developer more than just a user01:35
jdubcalamari: besides, you can always track the development branch.01:35
calamarijdub: yes it is.. I'm on dialup01:36
jdubcalamari: we send CDs out for free.01:36
thoreauputiccalamari: you will be able to do the same from a new CD01:36
calamarijdub: getting things in bits and pieces is bearable01:36
calamarithoreauputic: no because then I have to wipe out my os01:36
jdubcalamari: so permanently run the development branch. :-)01:36
thoreauputiccalamari: no, you won't01:36
bCalamari, use Warty...it is stable...01:36
Vjazcalamari: Why do you think that it's necessary to wipe out your OS?01:36
apokryphoscalamari: there's no whipping involved!!!!01:36
jdubcalamari: upgrading using a CD image works the same way as upgrading online.01:36
calamarihmm.. seems I got bad info in the past then01:37
Vjazcalamari: You can get a CD with all the packages, tell apt-get to use the CD as a source and then "download" all the new packages from the CD.01:37
calamariI was told that upgrading via cd was not possible01:37
apokryphosit is01:37
jdubwhoever told you that was wrong01:37
calamariokay.. well problem solved then01:37
apokryphosjust like with any other linux distro01:37
calamarisorry about the fuss :)01:37
thoreauputiccalamari: the whole point of the apt utility and policies is to avoid the problem you described01:38
calamarithoreauputic: oic01:39
calamariI don't know much about apt.. my fault since I use synaptic all the time01:39
apokryphosand it's what makes Linux infinitely better than Windoze :P01:39
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apokryphossynaptic is the front-end01:39
buse apt, not synaptic...synsaptic can break things01:39
calamariI know I can add repositories in synaptic.. I suppose I'd just add the hoary cd and be set.. that's perfect01:39
thoreauputiccalamari: synaptic is just pretty pictures with the power of apt behind it ;-)01:39
Vjazb: what does synaptic break?01:40
apokryphosSynaptic is fine for everyday dealings01:40
calamarithanks then.. my faith in ubuntu has been restored :)01:40
calamarisorry again for the commotion01:40
bthere has been flaws recently discovered in synaptic, ask Kanotix users...01:40
apokryphosb: no it doesn't; synaptic is only the GUI front-end. Any retrieving/dependency problems in synaptic are problems in apt01:40
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thoreauputiccalamari: look at it this way -  probably your issues and the answers have helped others understand the system better01:41
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ron_i win01:41
bApok, synaptic has some flaws in some distros, just go to Kanotix room and ask01:41
apokryphosI really don't want to, but fine ;-)01:42
bsynaptic has been known to uncomment lines in apt sources.list01:43
Vjazb: I doubt there are major problems with Synaptic in Ubuntu because Synaptic is the main package management interface in Ubuntu.01:43
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apokryphosb: hahaha01:44
Vjazb: What's wrong with uncommenting lines?01:44
Vjazb: Given that the user requested that.01:44
Vjazb: Which you can do in Synaptic.01:44
saphari_where  do i find this synaptic? and how do i add universe and multiverse to it01:44
bthe user didnt request it01:44
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Vjazsaphari_: Computer->System settings->Synaptic Package Manager01:45
calamarihey.. question that's been bugging me for a while.. no solution yet.  Is there a way to automatically load keyboard settings?  right now I load gnome-keyboard-layout and click "down, up" to load my settings, and that's only slightly annoying.. but It'd be great if it were automatic01:45
bdont take my word for it...but I am far more versed than you imagine and speak from a wide range of experience....but ignore me if you like01:45
apokryphosb: I've asked. The only reason they're suggesting for not using synaptic is that "it can crash", which seems like a pretty bad reason, considering (i) my synaptic doesn't crash, (ii) console can crash too.01:46
Vjazb: Well it would be nice if you gave some more backing to your clauses other than "Kanotix has problems with Synaptic". We're not in Kanotix, are we?01:46
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_bluehello, im back again, about my wireless device, the at&t 6500g, its recognized in the device manager but it wont show up as one of the options when i set a wireless connection01:47
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apokryphosb: anyhow, if you wanted to stop this synaptic getting a life of its own (with the uncommenting and whatnot), you could always just make sure that they never existed at all in the sources.list, couldn't you?01:47
bif there is a question about a gui interface causing install probs, then y not just use the command line which is faithful and true, less chance of error01:48
bzbbb, its fun browsing a list of all packages01:49
VjazMaybe we should use DOS and COBOL. They're faithful and true. Less chance of error.01:49
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bIm not suggesting synaptic is useless, but do apt-get -l | less01:49
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apokryphosb: because, (i) I haven't had these "problems", (ii) GUI provides a few more features that are more easily accessible. I don't want new users to necessarily dive straight into apt.01:49
apokryphosusing synaptic for them gives them a perspective on the repos01:49
samuell1Can someone tell me how to switch window managers?01:49
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apokryphossamuell1: run a different one: Alt + F201:50
Vjazb: there's no option -l for apt-get01:50
samuell1will that make the new one default?01:50
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apokryphossamuell1: a *new* windowmanager?01:51
Vjazb: maybe you meant dpkg -l?01:51
_bluedoes anyone have a solution to my wireless problem?01:51
thoreauputicrunning a new window manager with alt+F2 won't work - a wm already exists on display 0:0 or whatever01:52
Vjazsamuell1: when you logout, select "save session"01:52
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Vjazyeah, I guess you might want to kill the old window manager, which would be metacity01:52
apokryphosthoreauputic: I actually don't understand the question. A new window manager? Does gnome do this differently?01:52
Ex-Cyberfor a moment I was almost ready to believe the impossible01:52
samuell1but what program do i run? i dont know if there's a default program for xfce...01:52
Ex-Cyberthat fglrx had actually saved my sanity01:53
Ex-Cyberbut alas, it was not meant to be01:53
apokryphosohh :D. I understand. Metacity etc.01:53
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apokryphossorry ;-)01:53
jlgCould someone confirm whether I should report the following as a bug: when I close the lid on my Asus A2500L about 50% of the time I get logged off from X (when I open the lid, I'm back at GDM). The other 50% my X session just keeps running.01:53
bVjaz, I was asked how to see all packages at once...different application to what you are refering to01:53
thoreauputicapokryphos: I think he wants to substitute another wm for metacity (gnome-default)01:53
bdpkg -i is install deb package01:53
Ex-Cyberjlg: inconsistent behavior is almost always a bug of some kind01:54
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thoreauputicb your command simply spits out an error, sorry01:54
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jlgEx-Cyber. Okay, thank you. Will report, then.01:54
bwhat?  "apt-get -l | less" no error01:54
bdo apt-get update first01:55
thoreauputicE: Command line option 'l' [from -l]  is not known.01:55
thoreauputicand I'm up to date, b :)01:55
BrianAnthonyis there a command to print an md5 string?01:56
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S2Khow do you select an alternate wm to use?01:57
Vjazb: Please read my messages more carefully. -i is not -l, which is what I was referring to. dpkg -l gives you a list of installed packages01:57
Vjazb: Are you using Hoary?01:57
bi'm sorry, I am speaking from Mepis apt-get, thought they'd be the same  ur right dpkg -l01:58
bI use 6 different debian based distros01:59
Vjazwhich version does Mepis have?01:59
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S2Kwhich six?01:59
robertjif I get no such action associated with this location when trying to connect to a ftp:// url in nautilus, what should I do?02:00
SiliconViperb: In mepis, that's still valid.02:00
VjazHm... it seems like Warty packages do get upgraded sometimes. Just installed Firefox 1.0.02:00
thoreauputicb, I'm not sure on what planet apt-get accepts the -l flag02:01
SiliconViperFrom memory, apt-get is pretty much the same on all of 'em.02:01
bMepis , Ubuntu, Kanotix, Debian, Agnulla, KNoppix02:01
mirakSegmentation fault from cp, that's weird02:01
SiliconVipermirak, ouch...02:02
Vjazb: which version of apt-get does Mepis have?02:02
bbut I also use Vector which used slapt-get  it is the confusion  slapt-get -l02:02
bslackware based02:02
mdzb: I wasn't aware that MEPIS was patching apt.  what is the version number of their apt package?02:03
mdzVjaz: warty does not have firefox 1.0; you must have added an unofficial source02:03
mdzb: no version of apt that I am familiar with has an -l option02:04
thoreauputicb, slapt-get != apt-get02:04
bread above so I dont need to type more...02:04
thoreauputicb, fair enough :)02:04
mdzok, completely different piece of software02:05
robertjcan someone withy warty see if they can use nautilus to access a ftp:// site?02:05
SiliconViperb: Nah, it's the same.02:05
Vjazmdz: ah you're right... I had enabled warty-backports and forgot about it :-P02:05
robertjno bugs are filed but all my machines seem not to work properly02:05
thoreauputicrobertj: yes, I can02:05
thoreauputicI just type ftp://ftp.site.com02:05
thoreauputicor something like that02:06
robertjhrmm, curious02:06
thoreauputicit asks for a password, I type it, I'm in02:06
Vjazrobertj: Works here too.02:06
thoreauputicworks rather well, and I'm not even a big nautilus fan ;-)02:06
robertjtoreauputic: what about if you add it using the connect to server dialog?02:08
thoreauputicrobertj: hmm .. let me try02:08
bOh I forgot, I also use Xandros  lol 7 versions of debian based distros02:08
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jesus_is there a default graphical ftp client in ubuntu?02:09
bI wish Ubuntu had a kde version02:09
SiliconViperb: Make one.02:09
apokryphosb: they're working on it: kubuntu02:09
blol...maybe I will02:10
apokryphosbut you can still have kde on Ubuntu02:10
robertjthor: i can use ftp if I do file | open location02:10
robertjbut if I do connect to server it doesn't work02:10
thoreauputicrobertj: hmm - interesting - I can't get that to work02:10
thoreauputicrobertj: but it has other options - maybe I chose a bad option02:10
apokryphosjesus_: not really; there's a few at your disposal though.02:10
bNOt on Warty u couldnt...said right in ubuntu documentation that gnome is built into the kernel02:10
apokryphosb: You're wrong, friend.02:11
apokryphosadd the Universe repository and get kde-core and see her go02:11
bI tried.  it choked badly02:11
thoreauputicb, how on earth can gnome be built into the kernel??02:11
bob2b: please don't spread FUD like that02:11
apokryphosb: I tried, it worked fine, but it was an older kde version.02:11
bum want me to get the article?02:11
robertjthor: it looks the same as the one I typed in02:11
apokryphosplease do; I'll get you one too02:11
bob2b: whatever article you're talking about is wrong02:11
thoreauputicb, I fear you are sadly misinformed02:11
bob2b: please contact the author and correct them02:11
apokryphosCheck the official FAQ02:12
SiliconViperb: Built into the kernel, eh? I smell shenannigans.02:12
apokryphosb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde/view?searchterm=kde here's just one.02:12
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apokryphosAs far as I can tell, the attitude of the core Ubuntu is not anti-kde, it's just non-kde.02:13
mdzjesus_: nautilus provides ftp client functionality02:13
bhttp://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3475  read 4th paragraph02:13
jesus_thanks mdz02:13
Riddellapokryphos: not for long :)02:14
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bob2b: sorry, you seem to be mis-interpreting the article02:14
apokryphosb: Yes, you are02:14
apokryphoshe's providing but an opinion there. "You will find no KDEcentric pieces floating around here... at least I didn't... but for some"02:15
bob2b: kde is not installed by default, but it's certainly available02:15
apokryphosRiddell: hopefully, yes :)02:15
Lizanyone here been able to get a dell printer to print on ubuntu warty?02:15
bob2b: also, I'm not sure where you got the "gnome is built into the kernel" idea from02:15
mdzRiddell: that reminds me; I ought to forward you copies of some off-list kubuntu correspondence. what's your email address?02:16
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Riddellmdz: jr@jriddell.org02:19
apokryphosDoes anyone have any idea what's happening with the Hoary release schedule? Shouldn't array 6 be out by now?02:20
calchoary is due out in april02:20
thoreauputicrobertj: I just noticed - using the connect to server I get an icon on the desktop: clicking it asks for my ftp password02:20
danielsapokryphos: stuff listed for one week generally happens in the middle of the week -- on wednesday02:20
thoreauputicso it appears to work02:20
KarlosisA question: Is Ubutu using discover2 or discover1?02:20
danielsapokryphos: in any case, it's 0120 on monday morning where our installer dude is02:20
mdzapokryphos: array 6 is due this week02:20
robertjthoreauputic: but does it work?02:21
bob2Karlosis: hotplug.02:21
danielsKarlosis: neither, really; it uses discover1 for working out which xorg driver to use, but that's going away02:21
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Karlosisi see... it conflicts with my discover202:21
neighborleehey guys im trying to view a movie from a website for equinox3d ( 3d modeler )...just a mpg..totem can't handle them ??02:21
mdzyou really don't want discover2 anyway02:21
thoreauputicrobertj: yes - Iget a nautilus window on my website's ftp02:22
Karlosisi want hotplug?02:22
thoreauputicrobertj: appears to work fine02:22
Karlosisthat i already have02:22
robertjhrmm, not working here on my sftp loc02:22
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bob2Karlosis: the default install will work fine02:22
apokryphosmdz: out of interest, is there an actual way to know what array you've got? Seen some members come in here to ask. I would have thought it would be mentioned /etc/issue02:22
Deviantwhat program will play wmv files?02:22
Karlosishm... it's not what i do, i convert a Sid to Hoary02:22
bob2Deviant: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats02:23
danielsKarlosis: ah, in that case, remove discover202:23
bob2Karlosis: install ubuntu-desktop02:23
mdzapokryphos: /.disk/info on the CD, or the volume label on the CD02:23
KarlosisThat i did02:23
KarlosisOr at least I try....02:23
apokryphosmdz: Sorry, I meant which version is *installed*.02:23
KarlosisBut ubuntu-base is giving me some removals02:23
bob2apokryphos: hoary itself isn't versioned like that02:24
mdzapokryphos: the array releases are just snapshots; once they're installed, there are usually upgrades available immediately02:24
Vjazneighborlee: I think you need to install a gstreamer plugin for that. Only OGG/Theora is supported by default I think.02:24
apokryphosI see; thanks.02:24
Vjazneighborlee: It's gstreamer-mpeg2dec I think.02:25
danielsarrays are just a convenient pinpoint of a certain point in time02:25
apokryphosSo actually there's no particular reason to dist-upgrade specifically at array release times02:25
Vjazneighborlee: gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec on second thought02:25
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bob2apokryphos: hoary upgrades are independant of array releases, yes02:26
KarlosisWhat's the compiler used for Hoary, already gcc4.0?02:26
mdzapokryphos: that's correct02:26
mdzKarlosis: 3.3 by default, 3.4 and 4.0 are available02:26
jesus_i can't read my ntfs disk as user, and i check my fstab file like 15 times02:27
VjazWhoa, there's gcc 4.0?02:27
Karlosismdz: I only ask, because I know that x86_64 benefits a lot from 3.402:27
apokryphosVjaz: where they always are :P. In the repos.02:27
KarlosisVjaz: Not finals, but pres02:27
KarlosisInterestingly, the ABI will not be broken with 4.002:28
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KarlosisThat's likely the first time for some releases :p02:28
bob2but 3.3 -> 3.4 breaks the ABI anyway02:28
Vjazapokryphos: Oh, I'm not looking for it, I just didn't know it existed yet, but as karlosis pointed out, it's not released yet.02:28
bob2jesus_: umask=002 in the options field02:28
KarlosisOnly on archs that are not in Ubuntu I think, bob202:28
KarlosisBut still it did02:28
bob2Karlosis: I thought it broke the C++ ABI everywhere?02:29
neighborleeVjaz, ah ok thx ;=-)02:29
Karlosisbob2: Only on Sparc and some other platform02:29
bob2Karlosis: ah02:30
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KarlosisThe effect for Debian is the same then though.02:30
bob2Karlosis: it revs the libstdc++ SONAME, tho02:30
magnonanyone know of a true type font viewer in ubuntu?02:30
apokryphosjesus_: in case you haven't seen it yet: www.ubuntuguide.org; a few good basics on there.02:30
bob2Karlosis: (http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/abi.html)02:30
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Karlosisbob2: See how it says except for 2 it is the same?02:32
magnonforget it02:32
magnonnautilus is smarter than me anyhow02:32
Karlosisbob2: Dunno for the C++... why the soname changed02:32
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bob2Karlosis: right, but changing the soname for libstdc++ is a big deal02:33
Karlosisindeed, and that's what i found funny02:33
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Karlosisgcc 4.0 should be the first release for a long time that doesn't change something02:33
Karlosisin ABI02:33
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endirI can't seem to turn on dma for my ide drives. The forums have left me without an answer. HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted02:35
KarlosisAre you root, endir?02:35
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endirKarlosis, using sudo02:35
staticoanybody ever have trouble where their cursor becomes all black ?02:35
endirI even tried configuring hdparm.conf02:35
statico(just a mask)02:35
bob2statico: trident or s3 video?02:36
staticoendir: what kind of drive?02:36
staticobob2: ati rage 12802:36
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staticolooks like the opengl screensavers eat my cursor02:36
endirthey have worked fine in a vast number of other linux's. just some maxtor ide drives02:36
Karlosisdo you compile your own kernel, endir?02:36
robertjhrmm, can anyone try a ftp src with nautilus vfs using a username that contains a %02:36
Karlosisare you sure the chipset module is loaded?02:37
endirKarlosis, I am using an amd64 with i386 hoary. It didn't work in warty either02:37
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endirKarlosis, via82cxxx02:37
endirKarlosis, could it do something with also having an sata drive02:38
Karlosishm.... it would normally mean that you don't have your kernel using specific code for the disk02:38
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Karlosisgeneric ide over via ide in your case02:39
bob2you need to load the specific sata driver for your chipset02:39
endirKarlosis, I even tried loading the ide modules in /etc/modules02:39
bob2which is non-trivial, aiui02:39
bob2endir: the dewfault ide module will be loaded long before /etc/modules is seen02:39
endiryeah it was a longshot02:39
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Karlosisis your drive sata or do you mean you also have sata in another disk?02:40
endirKarlosis, I also have another sata drive which works fine02:41
TaaDowhey I installed ubuntu 4.10 I cant create an internet connection using a account name and password, there is no settings for it when you create an ethernet connection. anyone has any ideas?02:41
staticolast time i checked, you don't need an account name for an ethernet connection. rephrase?02:41
endirlsmod says: ide_core 129548  4 ide_disk,ide_cd,via82cxxx,ide_generic02:41
bob2TaaDow: you mean a dialup account?02:41
fr500TaaDow, you mean dialup02:41
TaaDowno dsl02:42
TaaDowI do on windows02:42
staticois there a way to change the cursor without logging out?02:42
Karlosisendir: ide_generic should not be loaded02:42
fr500let me see02:42
endirKarlosis, I think that's it02:42
endirKarlosis, it was in /etc/modules by default02:42
endirKarlosis, I will remove it02:42
Karlosisendir: be careful, if you fail, your machine cannot boot02:43
endirKarlosis, yeah that's fine I can always chroot02:43
Karlosisendir: do you boot from the PATA?02:43
fr500TaaDow, no clues on dsl support on ubuntu02:43
zulendir: what kernel are you running02:43
bob2TaaDow: run 'sudo pppoeconf' in a terminal02:43
TaaDowI created an ethernet connection I put in IP subnet mask Gateway and 2 verizon DNS servers even activated it02:43
TaaDowty anyway fr50002:44
endirzul, 2.6.10-4-k7 it did it with warty's default too02:44
fr500how do i know if my modem is detected?02:44
TaaDowwhat does that do bob202:44
endirKarlosis, but I do want ide-core and ide-disk02:44
zulendir: gimme a sec02:44
bob2TaaDow: it gives you a tool to setup a pppoe connection02:44
TaaDowoh great02:44
TaaDowthats what my modem is02:45
thoreauputicTaaDow: I guess when you type it you'll see ;)02:45
endirI'm using k7 kernel instead of i386 even though I have a k8. Should I go back to i386?02:45
TaaDowargh I just installed xp just to come here now Im gonna install ubuntu again "sudo pppoeconfig" better work02:46
thoreauputicbob2: is there much advantage to installing a 686 krnel over a 386? ( I have a686 machine)02:46
bob2endir: doesn't matter02:46
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endirzul, anything I want to reboot to see if ide-generic and via82cxxx were conflicting02:46
bob2TaaDow: er, why are you installing it again?02:47
bob2thoreauputic: some people claim it gives a significant boost02:47
bob2thoreauputic: won't hurt, tho :)02:47
zulendir: go ahead and reboot im still looking into it02:47
thoreauputicbob2: heh... OK02:47
TaaDowcause bob2 I cant get online with ubuntu ad I dont know how to create partitions with it I just agreed to tge defaults02:47
fr500how do i know if my modem is working under linux??02:47
KarlosisI got this now: dpkg: ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.02:48
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bob2TaaDow: that's fine02:48
bob2Karlosis: when doing what?02:48
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KarlosisI had a disk full situation on an update02:48
bob2fr500: try to dial something02:48
Karlosisupgrade I mean....02:48
fr500bob2, how?02:49
KarlosisNow it tells me to run dpkg --configure -a02:49
KarlosisAnd gives the same error over and over02:49
TaaDowalright see yas thanks bob202:49
thoreauputicfr500, are you having dialup problems? If so I might be able to help02:49
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fr500thoreauputic, at the end of the new network connection wizard, it just freezes02:50
lavigjany planeshift players in here?02:50
thoreauputicfr500, have you tried using pppconfig?02:50
DonLlavigj, not yet, but looking at it02:50
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foznotxmms (yes I am still fighting with this) requires me to be root to start it, how do I change that? My user is in the audio group02:51
bob2Karlosis: that's amazing02:51
fr500let me see02:51
lavigjDonL: I am having trouble even running the game at the moment :) I was hoping it was something stupid and easy someone could say "do this, dumbass"02:51
bob2foznot: "requires"?02:51
foznotwell it doesn't start unless i sudo02:51
thoreauputicfr500 type  groups in a terminal and see if your user is in the "dip" group02:51
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DonLCan't help as yet, lavigj02:51
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foznotnot in dip02:51
foznotthat is the problem02:51
foznotthanks] 02:51
fr500thoreauputic, dialout02:51
lavigjDonL: on problem02:52
endirunfortunately it wouldn't boot without ide-generic02:52
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fr500thoreauputic, i'm the only user02:52
thoreauputicfr500,  sudo adduser youruser dip02:52
Deviantany app for linux that I can use simialar to winamp?02:53
thoreauputicfr500, then run sudo pppconfig  and fill out your details02:53
endirDeviant, xmms02:53
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Deviantdoes xmms work with the gnome02:53
endirDeviant, yes02:53
thoreauputicfr500 and leave the default provider as 'provider"02:53
bob2everything works under gnome02:53
endirDeviant, xmms is the defacto media player02:53
fr500thoreauputic, says can't probe while pppd is running02:54
foznotsorry to be a bother...but when i check /etc/groups my user is in dip but when i hit groups it is not listed...i am using hoary02:54
fr500Deviant, try beep too02:54
thoreauputicfr500, oh, you are already on line with dialup?02:54
foznotor go crazy deviant and install realplayer02:54
DonLhoary doesn't yet work for me. I think I'll wait02:54
error_29everything except changing wallpaper, bob2.  Unless crashing the desktop is a feature.02:54
borgistarealplayer is crap. yes'm.02:54
fr500i ran the gnome dialup wizard before02:55
bob2foznot: you need to log out and in again for group changes to take effect02:55
fr500that might be02:55
bob2error_29: er, file a bug if that actually happens02:55
foznotduh! sorry02:55
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error_29yer right bob202:55
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endirzul, find anything?02:55
thoreauputicfr500:  hmm... well kill pppd then if you're not on line with it02:55
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bob2I've not seen that myself02:55
bob2or heard of it02:55
equalizer_Bonsoir Tlm02:55
error_29you have now02:56
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thoreauputicfr500, and note what bob2 said about loging out and in to make the group change stick02:56
fr500thoreauputic, same result02:56
waseemHi I am trying to install Jgrasp onto my computer02:56
fr500i tried as root02:56
waseemwould anyone here be interested in helpng02:56
fr500same result02:56
thoreauputicfr500  ps aux | grep ppp02:57
equalizer_oOn Parle Franais Ici ???02:57
thoreauputicsee if it's running02:57
borgistamoi. equalizer02:57
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fr500yes it is02:57
fr500i killed with killall pppd02:58
thoreauputicfr500 well, kill the process02:58
equalizer_J'ai Un Blme Je suis Avec Xchat a Merde Mais Je Veux All Sur Fantasya Mais Je Suis Pas Capable02:58
thoreauputicmake sure it's really dead!02:58
fr500just kill?02:58
borgistaqu'est que fantasya?02:58
equalizer_Un Serveur02:58
borgistaje sais rien de servers.02:59
thoreauputicfr500`ps aux | grep ppp again to make sure it's gone02:59
equalizer_Vien En Pv Svp02:59
DonLavec tout caps, equalizer_ ?02:59
error_29Bob2, correction, it's panels that are crashing, and on another forum (about fedora) I find this, which is exactly what's happening to me:02:59
fr500it doesnt die02:59
error_29When changing backgrounds, I get a message telling me that the panel has crashed. I then get a message telling me that it discovered a panel already running and will now quit. Then the panel dissapears, and then is reloaded. I think this mainly happens when switching between types of wallpaper, such as between "No Wallpaper", "Tiled", and "Centered".02:59
thoreauputicfr500, hmm02:59
borgistaerror_29, i've the same bug03:00
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thoreauputicfr500, maybe another process is respawning it03:00
K-Richerror_29: killall gnome-panel;gnome-panel03:00
error_29the only really annoying thing about it is the two messages, and having to close the one on the bottom first.03:01
thoreauputicfr500, I haven't seen this happen so I'm not sure how you rid yourself of it : try typing " poff"  as root and see if that does the trick03:01
thoreauputicwithout the quotes of course03:02
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lavigjok, I have to publicly rejoice that I fixed my install independent of any other help.03:02
thoreauputicfr500, I'm running out of ideas here, sorry03:02
lavigjmy .ICEauthority file had been made root root with a 600 chmod permission. I found this, and corrected it. I are happy :)03:02
error_29k-rich? the panels kill themselves nicely, and revive nicely on their own...03:02
DonLcool, lavigj ! Feels good, no?03:02
error_29why would I want that command?03:02
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lavigjDonL: indeed. still don't know how to play planeshift so far, but I got X working again :)03:02
K-Richerror_29: you can avoid having to wade through the "ok" buttons03:03
DonLlavigj, baby steps03:03
lavigjDonL: I suppose this might make me newb+1 :)03:03
thoreauputicfr500, normally adding yourself to the "dip" group and running pppconfig as root fixes it... your situation is different it seems03:03
waseemHi I am trying to install jGrasp onto my computer. Can someone here please help me.03:03
fr500it worked now03:03
fr500the gnome wizard was still running03:03
thoreauputicah - good03:03
thoreauputicah IC03:03
poxymoxn8 @all!03:04
fr500it is on the modem port part03:04
thoreauputicso you added yourself to dip?03:04
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fr500didnt detect anything03:04
thoreauputicis it a hardware modem, fr500 ?03:04
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fr500toshiba a20 sp03:04
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lavigjDonL: oye.. this is confusing. mayhaps I shall just start over here... and reinstall it03:04
fr500probably winmodem03:04
thoreauputicit is probably a winmodem03:04
fr500bad thing?03:05
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apersonello all03:05
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thoreauputicfr500: at this point you need to establish what the chipset is and pay a visit to linmodems.org03:05
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apersonanyone here have any experience with ubuntu and a mini-itx mobo?03:05
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thoreauputicfr500, or get  adecent external modem03:06
fr500well for this putter....better not03:06
thoreauputicfr500: winmodems can be a royal pain03:06
fr500i'll enjoy the challenge03:06
fr500making my wifi work in fedora on my 1st linux day was cool (just to find out it works out of the box on ubuntu)03:07
thoreauputicfr500: if it's a lucent chip, you may be in luck - there are a few others that are supported03:07
joeblowfr500: some winmodems simply will not work with Linux. There are no drivers for many of them. If you have one of these chipsets, I hope you know how to write a driver03:07
fr500is there a way to figure out without windoze?03:07
fr500joeblow, not that much03:07
fr500just a bit of a challenge03:08
thoreauputicfr500: try typing lspci to see if it's recognised03:08
calchmm i got wireless working under ubuntu but it was far from trivial03:08
thoreauputicor lspci | grep -i modem03:08
fr500 Modem: ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller03:08
danielsworked out of the box for me03:08
calcgnome/ubuntu could improve dramatically in that aspect03:09
fr500calc, yes it is03:09
fr500i meant in fc303:09
calceg add wpa_supplicant to the archive for starters ;)03:09
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joeblowcalc: there are many technical and legal aspects they would have to overcome first03:09
calcthen find a way to keep ethernet devices on laptops from renumbering themselves (ugh)03:09
thoreauputicfr500, well at least that gives you an idea what to look for on linmodems.org03:09
calcjoeblow: to include wpa_supplicant?03:09
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fr500thoreauputic, yeah03:10
calcalso for some reason system->admin->networking doesn't run anymore03:10
fr500what is wpa_supplicant?03:10
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calcfr500: wpa wireless security support for linux03:10
joeblowno, i said that right after you...the best way to get wireless under linux is ndiswrapper, but the binary drivers for windows couldnt be included for legal reasons03:10
Archon_Does/Did anyone have troubles with switching between windows where the drawing would be slow with Ubuntu and XFree86???03:10
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equalizer_Qu'elle Qu'un Parle Le Franais Ici Svp03:11
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calcjoeblow: there are plenty of drivers for various cards, but the infrastructure for them isn't all that great03:11
speellol why so much hate on XFREE03:11
andrewskihas anyone used kazehakase, a GTK+ web browser?03:11
calclike no support for wpa in ubuntu, the fact that you can't use passphrases with iwconfig, etc03:11
danielsArchon_: depends on what sort of video card you have and which driver you're using03:11
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Archon_daniels: "nvidia" Geforce203:12
calcalso it would be nice to get ipw2200 1.0.1 in ubuntu hoary kernel (had to compile it myself)03:12
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danielsArchon_: you'll need to install the nvidia drivers (http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriversHoto) to get decent performance out of your card03:13
danielser, BinaryDriversHowto03:13
Archon_i did03:13
Archon_apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings03:13
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danielsthen nvidia-glx-config enable?03:13
Archon_nvidia-glx-config enable03:13
fr500calc, like wep?03:13
DonLspeel, it seems there are issues with Xfree and everyone's going with Xorg, but my system doesn't seem to like it03:13
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Archon_it can do 3D applications03:13
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danielsah, OK03:13
danielsno idea, sorry03:13
pvhI have a double-monitor configuration, and XScreenSaver used to run a different screen on each window.03:13
Archon_(that glx cogs program runs at like 800 FPS)03:13
calcfr500: wpa is like wep but that is secure (at least wpa2 (aes) is)03:13
pvhNow it runs one big one on both. Any idea why that might have changed?03:14
calcfr500: though for wep you can't even type in your passphrase, you have to enter the very long hex string your ap spits out03:14
YomicAnyone know where to find soundcard support for Allegro?03:14
danielspvh: XScreenSaver suddenly became Xinerama-aware03:14
JDahlwhat repository is xmms in?03:14
danielspvh: so it knows to treat the two monitors as one big display, instead of two separate ones03:14
danielspvh: matter of personal preference03:14
lavigjDonL: wow... that wasn't the only thing broken... for some reason it didn't load all of fstab either03:15
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pvhdaniels: Is there any way to disable that feature?03:15
pvhdaniels: Everything happens at the seam. :)03:15
calcalso would be nice if ubuntu got the gnome wireless network applet that novell/redhat use03:15
thoreauputicYomic: xmms is in main on warty03:16
Ominushow do i install a modem, knowing it's a PCI, on IRQ 16 and COM3?03:16
DonLI moved to ubuntu from Mandrake for just that X reason03:16
YomicIt would be nice for my Win32 compatable soundcard to work on ubuntu as well.03:16
danielspvh: not really, unfortunately03:16
thoreauputicso saith apt-cache policy...03:16
DonL..found some other reasons to stay though03:16
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lavigjDonL: what I just said, or something else?03:16
danielscalc: er, sure you can03:17
thoreauputicYomic: sorry wrong nick :/03:17
DonLlavigj, don't know about that03:17
danielscalc: 's:passphrase'03:17
danielscalc: i've done that countless times03:17
YomicIt's okay :/03:17
thoreauputicJDahl: xmms is in main on warty03:17
YomicAnyone else know where to find soundcard support for Allegro?03:18
calcdaniels: it should be more obvious how to do that, heh03:18
DonLlavigj, just scrolled back. Yes..03:18
andrewskican anyone help me force a package version that synaptic says is broken?03:18
calcdaniels: so type 's:passphrase' in the gnome networking gui03:18
lavigjDonL: heh, ok. fortunately, the filesystems were still fine, and this was on a non-essential system. but man, it would have sucked to have lost all those03:18
calcbtw maybe some logic to wrap a non-hex string with 's: ' would be useful ;)03:18
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bI am coming at you from Hoary now03:19
calcthough i can't get the gnome networking admin app to run anymore, just dies :\03:19
DonLI've killed systems so bad before so many times just playin around I guess I'm used to it now03:19
lavigjDonL: heh03:19
DonLgood on ya, b03:19
bIt just looks like Warty, didnt have the greeting song though03:20
DonLWhat video card are you running, b?03:20
calchmm it doesn't even show up in ps when i try to run it, very strange03:20
DonLAre you using hardware acceleration, and what drivers?03:21
compmanio36hey, is there a way to get an ISO of Hoary right now, I had warty on my machine, and I want to try a fresh install of Hoary on a new drive03:21
bso far, in Hoary havnt set up nvidia driver yet, I know how03:21
bbut just got set up about 60 secs ago03:22
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slashcomis there any way for me to select one of my two sound cards?03:23
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slashcombecause alsaconf definitely doesn't :(03:23
DonLThe acceleration (reason for buying a nice card) seems to be a feature I would like to have enabled, but with Xorg, it seems to be a problem03:23
slashcomi am using warty, btw03:24
bDonL do you have nvidia?03:24
DonLYes, b.03:24
bthen it is easy03:24
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lavigjDonL: aye... I don't remember exactly what I did, but I have it working too03:25
DonLI know how, but every time you update the driver, or update the kernel, you have to go through this big thing03:25
bob2no you don't03:25
bno you dont03:25
Ominusi got a problem installin a Us robotics in ubuntu... it's not being recognized, but it is on IRQ 16 COM 3... anyone got a clue?03:25
bob2this is ubuntu, not some half-assed distro03:25
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bjust enable03:25
bob2DonL: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto03:25
bin command line03:25
bob2Ominus: winmodem?03:25
DonLI'd be happy if I didn't. I'll go there.03:25
Ominusthat's right..03:25
byou definitley dont03:26
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bI got winmodem going03:26
bit isnt hard03:26
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Dreamer3does the gnome meeting that comes with ubunut work well with netmeeting?03:27
Ominuswhat is the command in setserial?03:27
bneed to locate correctr module for your modem though03:27
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christopherhow do you start a service at bootime?03:27
christopherim having a prollem03:27
Ominusb, how?03:27
bzbbi have a package name question that apt-cache search doesn't answer03:27
bzbbI need bzlib03:27
christopherok thanks03:27
bob2christopher: they all start once installed03:27
bzbband bzlib-dev03:27
bob2bzbb: you mean "the bzip2 library"?03:27
christopherwell i need to run this one thing03:28
bob2bzbb: libbz2-dev03:28
christopherthats like a cheap prog some guy made for me03:28
DonLbob2 and b, thanks. I've saved the page and I'll look into it later03:28
Ominusb, could you be more specific?03:28
bOmnibuus, are you trying to get winmodem going?03:28
christopheri just wanna stick it in the linux autoexec.bat =o)03:28
Ominusb, thats right03:28
slashcomis there any way for me to select one of my two sound cards?03:28
Phusionhey, I just realized that all the trouble I've been having getting sound to work involved changing the owner of everything in /dev/snd to the user I'm using. I found out that when I reboot, this is undone. How do I fix this?03:29
bob2christopher: put the init script in /etc/init.d/03:29
slashcomin warty03:29
bob2christopher: then use "update-rc.d" to install it into the runlevels03:29
bu need to do some research and know what the foundation of the modem is03:29
bob2Phusion: er, no you don't03:29
thoreauputicOminus: try typing  lspci | grep -i modem03:29
Ominusb, it is an US Robotics 5610 WinModem... on IRQ 3, COM303:29
bob2Phusion: they're owned by the "audio" group, which you're in03:29
bob2by default at least03:29
Phusionwell the owner, not the group03:29
christopherbob2, will i have to make a script?03:29
Phusionwhen I reboot it doesn't work, when I chown it works03:29
bok...go to linmodems site and see if it is supported under linux03:30
bdo a google search03:30
bob2Phusion: then you need to add yourself to the audio group03:30
bob2Phusion: by default on ubuntu you are in it03:30
bob2christopher: or the person who wrote it has to03:30
bif it is then the module will be specified03:30
bob2christopher: or you can add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, I guess03:30
Ominuswell... i went to ubuntu forum... and some ppl were having probs too... but they post some solution that didn't help me..03:30
Dreamer3does gnomemeeting as shipped with ubuntu work with netmeeting?03:30
bwhich solution?03:31
DonLSorry, Dreamer3 , don't use it myself03:31
Ominususing setserial03:31
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fr500calc, i guess there is an algorythm to get the hex key based on passphrase03:31
bum...never had luck with setserial....load the serial module if necessary through modprobe03:32
fr500so the thing it lacks is the gui and the algorythm right?03:32
bbut it should be already there03:32
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band kppp has a list of available ports03:32
bob2setserial doesn't load modules for anything03:32
bI know bob03:33
Ominususind lspci i can find my modem... junt... in COmputer/System COnfiguration/network ... it cant auto detect...03:33
Phusionso I just went to the permissions tab in the ubuntu users and groups applet, I imagine I don't want to change my main group to audio, I selected "use audio devices"03:33
thoreauputicand kppp isn't installed by default in ubuntu, obviously03:33
DonLI'm off for now. Thanks for the help and chat03:34
Ominuseven pppconfig could auto detect it..03:34
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bob2lspci doesn't detect anything03:34
bload kppp..obviously03:34
bit is easiest03:34
bob2b: how would that help?03:34
bob2Phusion: 'sudo adduser blah audio', where blah is your user name03:34
bob2b: yes03:34
geppyWhat's the OSS alternative to Picasa?03:34
YomicI can't get Ubuntu to detect my sound card03:34
bit gives a list of available ports in gui03:34
thoreauputicb, and comes with about 40MB of kde libraries you don't need03:34
bit is the most intuitive03:35
geppy(Picasa is Google's personal image filing and viewing system)03:35
Phusion"already a member of audio"03:35
bob2Yomic: what card is it, and do you have two in there?03:35
bob2b: that's a subjective statement03:35
YomicOne card; Allegro03:35
bgnome dialup is a nightmare in my opinion03:35
Ominuslol... you guys are confusing me even more...03:35
bob2Phusion: 'ls -ld /dev/snd/pcm*|head -n1' prints what?03:36
bwell...I am obviously being challenged at every turn, yet I prolly have more hands on successful linux experience than most here....lol03:36
andrewskiwhat can i do with a docbook file to read it?03:36
Yomicbob2: One card; Allegro03:36
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bob2andrewski: it's xml, you want to voncert it to text or pdf or html or something, probably03:37
bob2b: ok03:37
bso I will shut up...if you want help come to private chat and I will get you going03:37
andrewskibob2: any recommendations on programs to do that?03:37
bob2but I don't htink "install kppp" is useful advice for someone trying to get their modem to work03:37
bob2andrewski: docbook2blah (blah = pdf, html, etc) in docbook-utils03:38
bbob it is...do your homework there03:38
bkppp is far better for newbs03:38
farruinnb: taht may be, but using gnome and kde together may not03:38
bor we can try pon and poff03:38
bob2please don't tell me to "do my homework"03:38
bthen leave me alone03:39
bob2how is this easier than pppconfig?03:39
stuNNedwvdial i likes03:39
thoreauputicb bob2 is kind of.. rather knowledgeable... so far you've madea number of statements that were demonstrably wrong03:39
bwhy use synaptic then bob , u make no sense03:39
calcdaniels: is closing the lid on a laptop supposed to put it in sleep mode yet?03:39
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bwrong?  how?03:39
staticonick p03:40
fr500calc, it works on warty it's at the wiki page03:40
bnumber of statements?03:40
bob2b: synaptic is fine, and installed by default and doesn't pull in megs of KDE libraries.03:40
fr500u just need to enable it03:40
calci guess its called suspend to ram, not suspend to disk (hibernate)03:40
b40 megs is nothing03:40
calci managed to get hibernate to work more or less03:40
andrewskican y'all take this argument elsewhere?03:40
thoreauputicb for instance a command that works for slapt-get that you assumed was the same for apt-get03:40
bob2calc: with swsusp or acpi s4?03:40
bsmall error, from a breadth of knowledge, not ignorance03:41
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bob2we're not here to lord knowledge over people03:41
calcbob2: the gnome logout hibernate option03:41
bob2calc: ah03:41
bob2this argument is OT, anyway, so let's move on03:41
thoreauputicb well, I'm glad you are so learned - enjoy03:41
calcbut closing my lid doesn't seem to make it suspend to ram, since usually it indicates that by blinking the led03:41
geppyWhere does Ubuntu have the USB devices?  Under Fedora, it was /dev/sdax03:41
fr500calc, for suspend to disk u gotta read the software suspend part03:41
calcfr500: already got suspend to disk working :)03:42
calcfr500: it just works by default now03:42
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blook---all I did was suggest kppp for help in getting ahold of software modem...I have used it successfully   heave you>?03:42
fr500calc, so u can hibernate03:42
fr500well i tried and it worked03:42
geppyI'm trying to get the photos off of my camera, but gthumb refuses to cooperate, and I can't find the device in /dev to mount it03:42
calcbut i am looking at the docs to see if i can get it to sleep (ram)03:42
fr500but wifi support broke down03:43
Yomicbob2: One card; Allegro03:43
bob2calc: that's editable03:43
bob2Yomic: I saw03:43
fr500it's easier03:43
bob2Yomic: ask on the users list, I guess03:43
fr500it's there on the wiki03:43
delltonyis there a download manager that ubuntu supports yet i noticed "d4x" is in universe but not supported yet according to bugzilla03:43
bob2calc: but I can't remember which config file it's in03:43
fr500u using warty?03:43
Yomicusers list?03:43
calcbob2: i think i found it in the wiki03:43
farruinngeppy: shouldn't that sort of thing automount?03:43
bob2calc: you can hack /etc/acpi/lid.sh, anyway03:43
calcyea i see its disabled by default03:43
calcbut hibernate is enabled by default, i guess ram is more iffy03:43
Ominusb, respond pvt plz?03:44
calci'll be right back, hopefully, testing ram03:44
bob2calc: hm, no, not a config file option03:44
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geppyfarruinn:  It should.   Automount has worked for me in the past, but I'm on a fresh Hoary install with a different camera, now.  It's a supported Olympus model;  I'm not sure what's wrong, exactly.03:44
thoreauputicYomic: http://lists.ubuntu.com03:44
fr500calc, the problem with lid.sh is that if u sleep with a butto for example and then close lid it will turn on03:44
bob2calc: yeah, suspend to ram breaks horribly on some machines03:44
YomicThanks, thoreaputic.03:44
thoreauputicYomic: you're welcome :)03:45
jdubjdubtv! -> http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/03:45
delltonybob2, do you happen to know the link right off on that information i'm having i believe the same kinda issue when i shut my led on hoary i can't seem to recover not all the time but alot of the time03:45
bob2delltony: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting03:46
delltonyok thanks03:46
calcfr500: yea, i'm just trying to make it sleep at all right now03:47
geppyHow can I get mp3 support for gstreamer?03:47
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bob2geppy: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats03:47
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geppybob2:  Danke, couldn't remember the mad bit.03:48
fr500i'm noob to scripting03:49
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fr500i want to make bash script so i can double click wsz files an they ove to .bmp/Skins03:50
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fr500any pointers03:50
fr500all i need is a way to get the filename03:50
fr500i thought maybe %something03:51
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andrewskifr500: there's a good bash scripting howto online, an hour's reading of which would get you what you need.03:51
andrewskifr500: the filename you can get by passing it as 'script %symbol' from your filemanager.03:52
fr500i'll look for it03:52
FeitenHow can i find my Dacode passord?03:52
andrewskifr500: it's called "advanced", but don't let that fool you. :P03:52
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fr500only % works?03:52
calcwhich package is vbetool in, i noticed it was missing when it tried to sleep03:52
andrewskifr500: dunno, depends on the filemanager.03:52
lunitikcalc: uhh... 'vbetool'  ;)03:53
calchmm apt/apt-cache can't find it for some reason03:54
geppyfarruinn:  Any ideas?03:54
fr500hmmm only % doesnt work03:54
kimcasconeanother newbie q...anyone?03:54
fr500i'll look for the docs03:54
fr500kimcascone, just ask03:54
kimcasconeits about getting audio out on my iBook03:54
_jon_kimcascone: just ask03:55
kimcasconeI installed Ubuntu and it is running03:55
kimcasconebut no sound from CDplayer03:55
lunitikcalc: strange... its in main... depended on by 'ubuntu-base'03:55
andrewskikimcascone: muted?03:55
lunitikuhh... -desktop03:55
farruinngeppy: sorry, I'm not an expert with usb/devices03:55
calclunitik: interesting03:55
fr500kimcascone, do u have other sounds?03:55
geppyfarruinn:  Alright, thanks.03:55
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thoreauputickimcascone: you need  to use digital output on an ibook03:55
kimcasconewhere do I select this?>03:55
thoreauputickimcascone: I had the same issue on mine03:55
kimcasconeI found it on xmms03:56
kimcasconebut not on the default player03:56
thoreauputickimcascone: yes, configure the cd plugin on xmms03:56
kimcasconeI checked mute thru the control planel03:56
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thoreauputickimcascone: I renamed the gnome cd player (bit of a hack)03:56
calclunitik: ah i see why now, its only for i38603:56
calclunitik: i'm on amd6403:56
lunitikcalc: ahh... makes sense03:56
kimcasconeI also have tumbler for OSS and also03:57
farruinnkimcascone: gnome cdplayer doesn't do the digital output03:57
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kimcasconeok where do I switch to digital03:57
_jon_lunitik: you can't03:57
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lunitik_jon_: that sucks... I have a ghost   :(03:57
thoreauputickimcascone: the default player won't do it03:57
kimcasconeok so the cdplayer doesn't work on the iBook?03:57
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_jon_lunitik: is it you that logged in and lost the session somewhere or is it someone on your name03:58
kimcasconeI also have xmms03:58
thoreauputicnor on any box without a wire from CD-ROM to sound card03:58
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Brunellusyaaaay, it works!03:58
kimcasconeI futzed around witht eh settings in xmms03:58
lunitik_jon_: for whatever reason, konversation logs in twice, and I closed that session...03:58
kimcasconestill nada03:58
farruinnkimcascone: you'll have to use xmms or something similar03:58
kimcasconegot xmms03:58
lunitik_jon_: but apparently 'lunitik_' is still following me  :(03:58
thoreauputickimcascone: preferences for the cd plugin03:59
_jon_lunitik: i have no idea03:59
thoreauputicin xmms03:59
kimcasconecan I add this to my applications on the menu bar?03:59
farruinnlunitik: I'm pretty sure it will go away eventually03:59
_jon_lunitik: maybe use a different client03:59
lunitik_jon_: eh...03:59
thoreauputickimcascone: actually beep-media-player is easier for CDs - just right-click and choose "play CD'04:00
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Brunellusis anybody running the weather applet?04:00
thoreauputicBrunellus: yes04:00
thoreauputicBrunellus: the gnome panel applet?04:00
Brunellusyeah, that one04:00
Brunellusit worked just a second ago04:00
Brunellusand now I'm showing 'unavailable'04:01
kimcasconecan I get beep via synaptic package manager?04:01
lunitik_jon_: I have no real use for screen, and irssi is more awkward than is necissary...04:01
optishi am wondering about how to enter custom refresh rates because my monitor/videocard lacks DDC support....are modelines in xorgconfig my solution?04:01
farruinnkimcascone: yes, but it might be in universe04:01
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_jon_lunitik: really? i don't find it awkward at all04:01
thoreauputickimcascone: yes - in the universe repo04:02
kimcasconewill xmms work as well?04:02
kimcasconesince I have that laready04:02
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thoreauputicxmms will work but it's a bit less intuitive to set up for CDs04:02
kimcasconethat's OK I don't need intuitive...walk me thru it?04:02
Brunellusthoreauputic:  are you getting a weather report now?04:02
BrunellusI'm just trying to figure out how this works...04:02
thoreauputicBrunellus: yes04:02
Brunellusare you behind a router?04:03
Brunellusoh.  OK.04:03
geppyHow can I set it so that my computer caches less?  I have some six hundred megs of cache in RAM, right now.  This seems like an awful waste of memory.04:03
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geppyNot that it's really a problem until I try to open something new... =/04:04
lunitikgeppy: how so? its better to actually use it, than have it just chill there...04:04
kimcasconeok just tell me what I need to do to get xmms working?04:04
lunitikgeppy: you want memory to be around 90% used... CPU is what you want to be lower   ;)04:04
thoreauputickimcascone: options .. preferences...04:04
thoreauputicAudio IO plugins04:05
geppylunitik:  Well, I can't figure out why my computer is lagging so horribly.  I've been waiting five minutes or so for this CD to mount, which doesn't really need much RAM, but I'm getting 50% load average.  My CPU is at %11 usage, and that's mostly my sound applications.04:05
thoreauputichighlight CD Audio Player >> configure04:05
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thoreauputiccheck digital audio extraction04:06
kimcasconeits pointing to /dev/cdrom04:06
saphari_hello folks04:06
kimcasconegot it04:06
chaseim having a problem setting up XFree86 on my new machine. Its pritty much the same as in the forum here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1534.html04:06
thoreauputickimcascone: you can change where it points if necessary04:06
chaseive followed everything it says but im still getting no where04:06
kimcasconetried pointing it to audio and dsp neither worked04:07
kimcasconewhat out output driver?04:07
kimcasconeI have it on OSS04:07
thoreauputickimcascone: to stop the default player popping up, you can rename it to gnome-cd.bak or whatever - ugly but it works04:07
Brunellusugh.  I can't work out why I'm not getting any output from the weather applet.04:07
chasethe on screen out put from XFree86 is 'Module loader present' and the logs (which ive uploaded to stuart.iduniken.com/X.log) say 'siganl caught 11'04:08
chasecan anyone help me with this?04:08
geppylunitik:  I think I'll just reboot.  =(04:08
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kimcasconethoreauputic: should I have it on OSS?>04:08
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thoreauputickimcascone: mine is on OSS04:08
cbgbhow   caan i change the fonts in kde?04:08
kimcasconeok still no audio...04:09
saphari_i got xmms installed and ready to go and i still don't get any music :'(,  very dramatic here04:09
Brunellusgoogle is your friend04:09
lunitikcbgb: kcontrol > Appearence and Themes > Fonts?04:09
thoreauputickimcascone: oops wrong box :)  I'll look on the iBook04:09
Brunellusgoogle "ubuntu" and "mp3"04:09
kimcasconesaphari_: I'm tackling the same problem04:09
Brunellusyou will need to enable the "multiverse" repository in synaptic04:09
saphari_that has all been done04:10
Brunellusand install the appropriate package that will encode/unencode mp3s04:10
Brunellusoh, ok.04:10
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crazydeb8rhey yos04:10
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lunitikBrunellus: unencode as apposed to decode?04:10
lil_anthonyquestion for some reason when i restart hoary i get kernel panic -not syncing: I/0 error reading memory image04:10
lil_anthonyis there any way to recover from this without a reinstall?04:10
neomAnyone know the best way to test box security?04:10
Brunellusdecode.  right.04:10
YomicDoes GAIM have international version support? (YjIM)04:11
YomicOR does it need plugins and such?04:11
crazydeb8rQuestion: how do I configure a plugin so Mozilla will play videos in browser?04:12
kimcasconexmms just started working...weird!04:12
lunitikneom: nessus04:12
lunitikYomic: yes04:12
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kimcasconeok does anyone now how to get audio out of a USB audio device?04:12
YomicHow so, lunitik?04:12
veristeadhey i need some help04:12
thoreauputickimcascone: yep the iBook says OSS too here04:12
lunitikcrazydeb8r: 'apt-get install mozilla-mplayer'04:12
veristeadi am attempting to install the ppc version of Ubuntu04:13
lunitikYomic: never played with it, but they support like 14 languages04:13
veristeadand i just upgraded to a new HD04:13
veristeadand already got all my mac stuff on it04:13
veristeadand i partioned the drive04:13
veristeadboth in Mac OS X extended format04:13
kimcasconethoreauputic: it just suddenly started working04:13
veristeadApple Extended format04:13
veristeadand seemeingly it does not recognize that the drive is partitioned04:14
veristeadand wants to partition it again04:14
kimcasconeis there a way to point audio to the USB?04:14
YomicNo, no. I mean do they support Yahoo Japan Instant Messenger (It is different from YIM)04:14
veristeadwhat am i doing wrong?04:14
crazydeb8rlunatik: I have that, it doesn't work.04:14
lunitikYomic: oh... no04:14
crazydeb8rit loads the videos but won't actually play them04:15
thoreauputickimcascone: hmm - mystical computers....04:15
lunitikcrazydeb8r: do you have the applicable codecs installed? did it put anything in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins?04:15
kimcasconeI have powerMac tumbler installed and both the OSS and ALSA seem to affect the volume...is this correct behaviior?04:16
lunitikcrazydeb8r: ps, your text turns 'yellow' because someone said your name...04:16
veristeadcan anyone help me?04:16
lunitikveristead: if we could... we would have.04:16
jesuelmmmm WoW :)04:16
goldfishveristead: ubuntu needs empty space to install04:17
veristeadyea it has empty space04:17
Darwinhello elec_04:17
goldfishveristead: not a partition04:17
goldfishu have made 2 partitions, yeah?04:17
crazydeb8rlunitik: thanks. yes, it put two files there04:17
veristeadyes i have04:17
goldfishveristead: yeah, u only make one for mac stuff, and leave the rest empty04:18
veristeadone is in jst shy of 8GB04:18
goldfishveristead: i.e no file system on it04:18
veristeadyea i did that04:18
goldfishoh right04:18
lil_anthonyquestino when you get kernel panic are you screwed?04:18
veristeadbut when i go to install it04:18
lunitikcrazydeb8r: and you have the codecs installed?04:18
crazydeb8rwait, only 1 file04:18
veristeadi am not sure which one to select04:18
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Darwinhow do boot floppy in ubuntu?04:18
veristeadit seems to find about 12 different partitions04:18
crazydeb8rlunitik: I think I do, but I'm not sure. I installed mplayer too, but if the codecs are not in that file...then no04:19
lunitikcrazydeb8r: then no04:19
calchmm so mem oops standby does absolutely nothing (afaict) and disk works fine04:19
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lunitikcrazydeb8r: you may want to install those.04:19
kimcasconeany info on usb audio? is there a driver or something I need to do to get audio out my USB device?04:19
Brunelluswhy does ubuntu tell me that I need to set up NTP when synaptic tells me NTP is already installed?04:19
crazydeb8rlunitik: okay, from the mplayer site i assume? thanks.04:19
lunitikcrazydeb8r: yes.. get the 'all' package though, not just 'essential'.04:20
crazydeb8rlunitik: alright. where should I put them?04:20
saphari_anyone use xmms?04:21
kimcasconesaphari_: I am04:21
lunitikcrazydeb8r: /usr/lib/win3204:22
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crazydeb8rlunitik: thanks, and sorry bout the msg04:22
saphari_you got it working?04:22
kimcasconeit suddenly started working04:22
lunitikBrunellus: because you need 'ntp-server' to do what you're trying to do04:22
kimcasconecheck the prefs04:22
crazydeb8rhey saphari_ ever get sound up?04:22
kimcasconeaudio i/o04:22
crazydeb8rthat stinks.04:23
kimcasconer u on an iBook?04:23
veristead... i am looking at the documentation and it is telling me that i need to manually edit the partition table04:23
veristeadand i found my partition04:23
veristeadbut how do i tell ubuntu to install to that partition04:23
saphari_i put in the cd and it won't come up under xmms04:23
veristeadi am a little worried that it won't properly do it without deleting everything04:23
veristeadi have one partition with all my file on it04:24
kimcasconesaphari_: are you on an iBook?04:24
veristeadthe other is 100% empty04:24
bVeristeed, what are you trying to install?04:24
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farruinnveristead: you should back up all your data and repartition04:24
veristeadi jst got it04:24
kimcasconean iBook laptop?04:24
kimcasconeor a PC?04:24
byou must set the partition to be "/" root04:24
farruinnveristead: oh, you already have 2 partitions?04:24
saphari_acer travelmate04:24
veristeadi already have it04:24
kimcasconeshouldn't matter but...04:25
veristeadbut i am not sure how to select which one to install to04:25
bthen it will install to root partition only04:25
farruinnveristead: is it formatted or is it "free space"?04:25
lil_anthonywhats the command in ubuntu to boot say dev/hda for some reason grub got borked04:25
kimcasconeso the CD doens't mount at all?04:25
veristeadand right under it it says 8.1kb freespace04:25
bit will format and install to the "/"root partition04:25
veristeadshould i change it?04:25
saphari_it does to the rythbox04:25
farruinnb: he'll need swap and /boot though, right?04:26
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kimcasconeso rythmbox recognizes the CD?04:26
bI do not use swap or root because I have a big ram04:26
kimcasconeok did you close rb before opening xmms?04:26
veristeadi was thinking of rebooting into OS X and changing the format to none04:26
bI use only root for all04:26
veristeadso as not to format that partiton04:26
kimcasconedid you check the prefs?04:26
kimcasconein xmms>04:26
farruinnveristead: so you have os x on one partition, how big is the other partition?04:26
saphari_yeah,  but i don't know what i am doing04:27
veristeadi have the OS X installed on a partition of 19GB and the other is jst shy of 8GB04:27
farruinnveristead: does the other have any data on it?04:27
kimcasconeopen the prefs in xmms04:27
saphari_ok hang on04:27
farruinnveristead: then first you want to delete it so you have ~8 GB free space there04:28
veristeadi am at the step of where i edit the partitons04:28
kimcasconethere is a tiny 'O' on the left of the time display04:28
bVeristead : I take it you want to have a dual boot system...04:28
farruinnveristead: no?04:28
veristeadwell sorta04:28
veristeadi do04:28
kimcasconeclick on the 'O' and you'll see a putt down menu04:28
kimcasconepull down04:28
veristeadi mean i dnt want them running at the same time04:28
farruinnveristead: you want os x and ubuntu, right? =)04:28
veristeadso yea i guess you are right04:28
bof course they wont run at the same time04:29
kimcasconeor do a Ctl-P for the pref window04:29
farruinnb: they can04:29
bI know...04:29
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farruinnveristead: so you want to manually edit the partition table (I think the option is called something like that)04:29
bbut that is what he said he didnt want04:29
crazydeb8rhey durin4204:29
saphari_ok got it04:29
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bdo you want to hide one partition from the other?04:30
veristeadi am at the partition window and i found the partition it says 8.5GB but it say only 8.5KB free space04:30
kimcasconeclick on audio i/o04:30
veristeadyea i did farruin04:30
veristeadi am there now04:30
veristeadthat is what i am looking at04:30
farruinnveristead: ok, delete the 8.5 GB partition (the one without data on it)04:30
veristeadso i need to restart in OS X and do that?04:30
veristeador can i do that here?04:30
kimcasconeit should be set to CD Audio PLayer 1.2.10 [libcaudio.so] 04:30
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farruinnveristead: nope, just select it and push enter I believe04:31
veristeadah ok04:31
veristeadhld on04:31
veristeadwent back by mistake04:31
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kimcasconemake sure CD Audio Player is highlighted04:31
kimcasconeand click on configure04:32
veristeadok.. so i am at the editing where it says Name: Usage Method. etc.04:32
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thoreauputickimcascone: heh - you have learnt well, Grasshopper ;-)04:32
veristeadand it gives 'done setting up the partition' 'copy data from another partition'04:32
veristead'delete the partition'04:32
farruinnveristead: you'll want to delete the partition04:32
veristeadi want to delete it04:32
kimcasconeyeah once you get the proper training it is ez! ;)04:32
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veristeadand now i will only have one partition?04:33
thoreauputickimcascone: ;-)04:33
veristeadso that is done04:33
Jmax1632i'm getting "kernel panic -not syncing : I/O error handling reading memory image"04:33
kimcasconesaphari_: now you amke sure the digital audio exrtaction button is pressed04:33
Jmax1632i think i know how to fix it....!04:33
veristeadnow the partition doesn't show up04:33
farruinnveristead: right, you got rid of it, you should have a bunch of free space04:33
Jmax1632how do i boot to a prompt!!!!!!!?????04:34
veristeadyea 8.6GB04:34
farruinnveristead: you want to "automatically partition" that free space04:34
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veristeadok... so hld on...04:34
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veristeadthe only options are undo changes to partition04:34
veristeadand finish partitioning and write changes to disk04:34
saphari_but a new window came up from the last thing04:35
Jmax1632i think it's crashing!04:35
farruinnveristead: sorry, select the free space and push return, it should let you "automatically parition"04:35
kimcasconeok what is the window?04:35
Jmax1632it's ok04:35
Jmax1632so, any ideas?04:35
kimcasconeit should be the CD player config window04:35
veristeadhld on04:35
veristeadcomputing new partition04:35
kimcasconethere is a small box with Play mode04:35
kimcasconewith analog and digital audio exrtaction04:36
veristeadso that is done04:36
veristeadand now it has a smiley face next to it04:36
kimcasconeclick on the digital audio extraction04:36
veristeadand saying swap04:36
Jmax1632any idea?04:36
Jmax1632please help me04:36
kimcasconethen click OK04:36
veristeadand one black smiley face with an arrow that says boot04:36
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kimcasconeany sound?04:37
farruinnveristead: good, go to "write changes to disk" or whatever it is, you're done partitioning04:37
veristeadand then the options that it gives me are undo changes to partitin04:37
saphari_do i close these windows?04:37
Jmax1632any ideas?04:37
Jmax1632please tell me you can help04:37
kimcasconeleave the prefs open for now04:37
Jmax1632i'm freaking out04:37
Jmax1632over here04:37
veristeadhld on04:37
veristeadit says partition 11 and 1204:37
kimcasconewhat is the Output plugin window pointing to?04:37
Jmax1632omg omg omg04:37
kimcasconeinb the prefs whindow04:38
veristeadit's working on it now04:38
thoreauputicJmax1632: take a deep breath - the end is not  yet04:38
veristeadi hope it didn't touch my OS X one04:38
saphari_the cd still wanted to play on the rb04:38
kimcasconeI have mine pointing to the OSS driver04:38
saphari_i have sound04:38
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Jmax1632thoreauputic: *DEEP BREATH*04:38
veristeadi need those files04:38
farruinnveristead: it would have had a skull and crossbones next to it if it had =)04:38
kimcasconeis rb opening automatically?04:38
Jmax1632how do you boot to a shell in hoary from a cd04:38
kimcasconewhen you load a CD in?>04:38
Jmax1632i think i can fix it there?04:38
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kimcasconeok close rb04:38
veristeadwell they all had smiley faces and one remained in apple HFS format04:38
veristeadso i assume that is a good thing04:39
Brunellushooray.  network time sync04:39
kimcasconego to the applications in the main menu bar04:39
farruinnveristead: you should be fine then04:39
kimcasconeand open the Run Application04:39
Brunellusnow about this weather thingie.04:39
Jmax1632how do you boot to a shell in hoary from a cd?04:39
Jmax1632any ideas?04:39
kimcasconetype in xmms04:39
kimcasconeand hit run04:39
farruinnJmax1632: install cd or livecd?04:39
YomicWhere can I get access to the Yahoo-j chat server?04:39
veristeadwell i am glad i still have the original 10GB drive04:39
veristeadwith all the files on it04:39
YomicAs a normal Yahoo-j user.04:40
kimcasconeI'm assuming that you have closed xmms...?04:40
saphari_command first?04:40
veristeadi would highly suggest that no one ever attempt to put a new hd in an iBook unless you know what you are doing04:40
kimcasconeclose 1st04:40
veristeadit is very hard to open04:40
kimcasconethen command run app xmms04:40
veristeadand i may have lost a couple of screws04:40
YomicDo I have to WINE it or is there a Yahoo-J client for linux?04:40
Jmax1632farruinn: install cd04:40
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kimcasconemake sure the cd is already in the cdrom04:40
veristeadubuntu should have a live CD for ppc04:41
farruinnveristead: there will be for hoary04:41
kimcasconexmms should launch and see the cd...04:41
farruinnveristead: I should say, there *is* one for hoary =)04:41
jdubveristead: you can test the hoary ppc livecd right now!04:41
veristeadwhen does hoary come out04:41
veristeadcan they ship or do i need to d/l04:41
Jmax1632farruinn: install cd... any ideas?04:41
kimcasconeany luck?04:41
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veristeadwhat is the desktop environment04:42
farruinnJmax1632: alt+F2 will get you a shell, but unless you know what you're doing it's going to be a real pain04:42
farruinnveristead: gnome04:42
veristeadon Ubuntu?04:42
veristeadi enjoy KDE's interface04:42
veristeadit's a little sexier04:42
veristeadi bet it can be compiled04:42
farruinnveristead: did you read any of the website or did you just go to the download page? ;)04:42
veristeadi went to the ship it page04:42
veristeadwithout really reading04:42
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veristeadanyone ever attempt to install Ubuntu to an iPod b404:43
kimcasconeso what is xmms doing?04:43
thoreauputicveristead: you don't need to compile kde - it's available in the universe repository04:43
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lunitikNot even in Debian Experimental afaict04:43
Jmax1632farruinn: i added resume=/dev/hda1 ro to the grub and did sudo update-grub , and now i'm borked04:43
Jmax1632please help04:43
kimcasconealso make sure you have selected files to play in the play files menu04:44
saphari_why is one of the letters highlighted on it?04:44
veristeadooo... iTunes should be ported to Linux if it ain't already04:44
kimcasconeon what?04:45
kimcasconethe playlist?04:45
saphari_the d04:45
veristeadif only apple cared about Linux04:45
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kimcasconethat makes the app UI larger04:45
Jmax1632farruinn: PLEASE HELP!!!04:45
kimcasconefor xmms04:45
kimcasconethat doesn't matter for now04:46
farruinnJmax1632: please don't yell at me, I know virtually nothing about GRUB so I don't think my help would be very usefull04:46
lunitikveristead: never gonna happen... Darwin tries to compete04:46
kimcasconeso is there a cd in the drive?04:46
Jmax1632does anyone?04:46
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veristeadstupid darwin04:46
kimcasconedo you have a playlist?04:46
cr4z3dhmm.. i have a question. i downloaded the warty release for x86 off the site with bit torrent. i then inserted the burned cd into my laptop before boot hit enter when teh screen came up and it seemed to freeze at the APCI spot and never went anywhere do i just have to wait awhile or is something wrong?04:46
veristeadit's called evolution04:46
veristeaddnt fight it04:47
thoreauputickimcascone, saphari_ try opening the /media/cdrom directory04:47
saphari_it is all new04:47
kimcasconemake a playlist04:47
veristeadmaybe someone could write a replica of it04:47
veristeadthat  basically is the same thing04:47
lunitikveristead: no... its called "I want to be in control, so, nana'04:47
farruinnveristead: there is an itunesish app installed by default04:47
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farruinnveristead: some people have been able to make it use their iTunes music folder, but I haven't had any luck with that04:47
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veristeadand allows for music sharing that will support iTunes music sharing04:47
cr4z3dhmm can anyone help me?04:47
lil_anthonycurious from the cd and being at a shell how do you mount hda so you can read its contents?04:47
veristeadand recognizes the iPod04:48
Brunellusit would seem that the gweather applet non-function is not uncommon.04:48
kimcasconealso open your drives and media prefs04:48
durin42veristead: iTunes is borked in WINE, isn't it?04:48
jesueldownloading the update for WoW is sllllllllow :(04:48
lunitikdurin42: I've seen it working actually.04:48
kimcasconein thne desktop prefs/removable storage04:49
durin42lunitik: any links?04:49
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kimcasconethe main menu bar04:49
farruinndurin42: using the windows version of iTunes in WINE?04:49
kimcasconecomputer/desktop prefs/removable storage04:49
durin42farruinn: that was my thought04:49
lunitikdurin42: to what exactly?04:50
kimcasconemake sure play audio when CD inserted is checked04:50
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farruinndurin42: hadn't thought of that, I'm going to try to use it with mac-on-linux04:50
kimcasconealso there is a command in the command text field04:50
durin42farruinn: ahh...I was thinking for i386 people04:50
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kimcasconeits checked?04:51
farruinnlunitik: new Rhythmbox? as in hoary's?04:51
durin42lunitik: can it read/make iTunes shares?04:51
thoreauputicfarruinn: works in mac-on-linux04:51
lunitikfarruinn: yes04:51
farruinnthoreauputic: cool04:51
lunitikdurin42: no idea04:51
farruinnlunitik: cool =)04:51
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thoreauputicfarruinn: so does windows media player :)04:52
durin42lunitik: any idea where you found that iTunes/WINE thing?04:52
veristeadi would love it if i could listen to iTunes shared music with another Ubuntu app04:52
kimcasconeclose that window04:52
lunitikdurin42: umm... a computer at school?04:52
kimcasconego to multimedia under applci8ations04:52
kimcasconeand seeclt volume control04:52
durin42lunitik: um....I was thinking more in terms of a site that you might remember or something04:53
kimcasconemake sure your not muted on any channel04:53
lunitikdurin42: no... was just installed  :/04:53
kimcasconeand your volume controls are up04:53
veristeadi have a ghetto iBook04:53
lunitikdurin42: worked out of the box, so to speak04:53
veristeadi have to tape the CD drive closed04:53
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durin42lunitik: ah...perhaps I should try playing with it on my box here.04:54
veristeadwhich actually is nice04:54
farruinnveristead: G3 or G4?04:54
veristeadcuz sometimes i pop it open when i am typing04:54
kimcasconeyou should have an OSS mixer and a Alsa mixedr04:54
lunitikdurin42: probably... but yeah... was even on Ubuntu  :P04:54
veristead10GB (er what it came with)04:54
veristeadupgraded to 3004:54
kimcasconemake sure both have volumes up04:54
crazydeb8riTunes on ubuntu...04:54
veristead10 ain't enough04:54
crazydeb8rI'd love to see that04:54
veristeadme as well04:54
durin42has anyone here heard of a way to playback Apple Lossless files through gstreamer or anything similar yet?04:54
veristeadand access to the iTunes music store would not suck04:55
crazydeb8rdurin42: not through gstreamer04:55
lavigjhey guys, earlier, someone was mentioning nvidia acceleration... does anyone happen to have that link kicking around still? I thought mine was going but I am starting to think I am wrong04:55
veristeadhowever first04:55
Brunellusok, I can't work this out.  I don't know what I did to break my weather applet04:55
veristeadi hope Hoary has support for Airport extreme04:55
Brunellusbut it's broken04:55
veristeadcuz that would be nice04:55
Brunellusall I did was click "update" a few times!04:55
veristeadand if so they should make a driver for Ubuntu04:56
thoreauputiclavigj: hmm... binary drivers howto on ubuntulinux.org I think04:56
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farruinnlavigj: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto04:56
lunitikveristead: Apple hates anything 'not made here'04:56
MazusCan somone help me :( ??04:56
lavigjfarruinn: thanks. is there a quick and easy way to see if it is working?04:56
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farruinnveristead: sorry, no airport extreme for any distro of linux afaik04:56
thoreauputicMazus: just ask, don't ask to ask04:57
farruinnlavigj: I'm pretty sure you get an nvidia splash screen when it's working04:57
saphari_when i click play on xmms,  this play files come up04:57
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lavigjfarruinn: ok, it very well may not be then04:57
blah09hey anyone here on fluxbox?04:57
Mazusi can connect to my network under ubuntu like i can ping my other computers i just cant get onto the net04:57
inc_sup room04:57
kimcasconeyou need to add all the files on the cd to the play menu04:57
Mazusand ideas?04:57
saphari_how do i put the cd-rom on that play files04:57
thoreauputicblah09: not this minute, but often yes04:57
inc_anyone know of a embedded version of ubuntu04:57
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thoreauputicblah09: what's your question?04:58
crazydeb8rlunitik: where do i need to put those codecs again?04:58
veristeadit is booting04:58
blah09thoreauputic, is there a runbox like in gnome?04:58
veristeadi am so happy04:58
blah09like when you hit alt-f204:58
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thoreauputicblah09:  yes, fbrun04:58
kimcasconehold I'm checking something04:58
BrunellusOk.  I'm going to reboot and see if it does anything04:58
blah09hm, is there a hotkey for it?04:58
thoreauputicblah09: but which version of flux are you running?04:58
Mazusany got any ideas why i cant conenct to the net?04:58
Mazuspm me04:59
blah09the one on the ubuntu repositories04:59
thoreauputicblah09: define your hotkeys in ~/,fluxbox/keys04:59
kimcasconeq: where would xmms be installed?04:59
blah09ahh thanks04:59
thoreauputicblah09: k - that's fairly recent04:59
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inc_any embedded version of ubuntu?05:00
thoreauputicblah09: lots of info on http://fluxbox.org05:00
lavigjhmmm... that might be bad.. /proc/pci: no such file or directory05:00
blah09thats not the sourceforge page is it?05:00
MazusDoes anyone why i can ping my other computers and like i just cant connect to the net05:00
thoreauputicblah09: no05:00
lavigjMazus: try ping -n
kimcasconeok I got xmms to come up when a CD is inserted05:01
Mazusyeah liek i can see the router and stuff i just cant conenct onto the net05:01
blah09ok ill check it out, thanks05:01
Mazusill try that05:01
thoreauputickimcascone: what did you do?05:01
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membreyalo thoreauputic :)05:02
kimcasconesaphari_: open the removable storge box again05:02
thoreauputicmembreya: hi :)05:02
kimcasconeunder desktop prefs05:02
kimcasconewhere it says command05:02
kimcasconeclik on browse05:02
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kimcasconego to /usr/bin/xmms05:02
kimcasconeand hot open05:02
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=== veristead sighs
veristeadupdating stuff via the web05:03
kimcasconeit should now saw /usr/bin/xmms in the command window05:03
veristeadis xchat included by default?05:03
farruinnveristead: yes05:03
kimcasconeclick close and now when you insert a cd the xmms player will come up in stead of the Gnome player05:03
saphari_ok slow down05:03
lavigjfarruinn: cool, I appear to have been lacking the acceleration I had05:03
lavigjer, thought I had05:03
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veristeadhow about flocinaucinihilipication X05:04
muehlbuckshi all, i did a dist-upgrade to hoary this afternoon, a few icons don't display properly on my desktop (trash, home, etc); however, i created a new user and the icons all display properly. any suggestions?05:04
veristeadis that included?05:04
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membreyamuehlbucks: have you checked nautilus settings?05:04
bluefoxicyerr:shell:SHGetFolderPathW Failed to create directory 'L"C:\\windows\\profiles\\bluefox\\Desktop"'.05:04
bluefoxicywine seems horribly busted.05:04
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muehlbucksmembreya: i shall, i'm new to gnome :-)05:04
membreyaok, go to applications > system tools > configuration editor.... then go to apps/nautilus/desktop05:05
veristeadok heading to bed now05:05
muehlbucksmembreya: thanks05:05
veristeadit will finish over night i assume05:05
membreyalet me know if it works, then thank me :P05:06
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veristeadhey good news05:06
thoreauputickimcascone: ah, yes - pops up but doesn't auto-play I think...05:06
muehlbucksmembreya: hehe, i'm actually not sure how to proceed... the icons fail to appear on the panels and in menus05:06
veristeadi jst ported iTunes over to Ubuntu05:06
muehlbucksmembreya: i'm diggin in conf editor now05:07
veristeadOMG IT IS AMAZING05:07
YomicCan Gaim use Yahoo IM Japan?05:07
veristeadiTUNES ON UBUNTU05:07
membreyamuehlbucks: have you tried a reboot? :)05:07
farruinnveristead: hahah, go to bed ;)05:07
muehlbucksmembreya: yes05:07
veristeadsrry it's the drugs05:07
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crazydeb8rhow do I open a smb share?05:07
crazydeb8rWhen i try it gives me a security messag05:07
kimcasconehow do I run NTP support?05:07
veristeadthough if i had i probably would be getting laid tonite05:08
kimcasconefor setting time via network05:08
saphari_desktop pref where does it say command?05:08
farruinnif I wanted to use mutt should I use fetchmail?05:08
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membreyakimcascone: have you got ntp installed? :P05:08
lunitikkimcascone: already enabled... if you're getting messages saying 'no ntp' blah... install ntp-server or stop trying to do that.05:08
thoreauputickimcascone: haven't worked that one out yet - i just run sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart once in a while05:08
muehlbucksmembreya: is there an easy way i can restore my gnome settings to the default or skeleton settings?05:09
lunitikkimcascone: 'ntp' is installed, which is the client.. pointing at ntp.ubuntulinux.org ... time settings require less crack, but also ntp-server05:09
kimcasconein the synaptic manager?05:09
membreyathoreauputic: why don't you just let the clock in gnome control it ? :P05:09
crazydeb8rhow can i get a smb share to open?05:09
lunitikcrazydeb8r: kick it?05:09
crazydeb8rlunitik: haha. i wish. I get a security message when I try to05:09
membreyacrazydeb8r: perhaps if you elaborate..exactly what are you trying05:09
cr4z3dhello i have a question about editing the file that checks everything at the begining.. i dont' have a floppy drive but for some reason it checks for one and hangs there05:09
thoreauputicmembreya: oh? how is that done?05:10
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lunitikcrazydeb8r: heh... in firefox/nautilus etc... 'smb:///computername/05:10
kimcasconeit installed so how do I run it? via command line?05:10
membreyathoreauputic: right click on your clock, go to adjust date & time and the select the option to periodically update from ntp server05:10
crazydeb8rlunitik: thx05:10
lunitikcrazydeb8r: gnome-vfs smb support is kinda bad though  :/05:11
YomicCan Gaim use Yahoo IM Japan?05:11
billytwowillyYomic, it can use yahoo..05:11
YomicI know.05:11
billytwowillyYomic, is yahoo IM Japan different than normal Yahoo?05:11
thoreauputicmembreya: tried that but it says it needs to be set up05:11
YomicYIM != YIMJ05:11
lunitikYomic: try it... just choose yahoo... and enter your username for Yahoo IM Japan.05:11
membreyainstall ntp-server then05:11
billytwowillyIf Yahoo japan users can talk to Yahoo users then it should almost certainly be able to.05:11
crazydeb8rlunitik: I noticed. I tried just going through the network option in ubuntu, but it won't open it because it "could be a security riisk"05:11
thoreauputicmembreya: without saying how, of course... hehe05:11
lunitikcrazydeb8r: blah... haha... yeah... SMB support in gnome-vfs needs to not suck one day.05:12
thoreauputicmembreya: if I install ntp-server it just does it?05:12
YomicBilly: Yes, they are different clients on different [servers?] .05:12
lunitikthoreauputic: yes05:12
muehlbuckshow might i restore the default gnome settings? rm .gnome?05:12
kimcasconegot it05:12
membreyaonce you install ntp-server you will need to tick the box :P05:12
thoreauputiclunitik: ah, OK - installing now!05:12
saphari_ok i am confused05:12
thoreauputicmembreya: very amusing ;)05:13
crazydeb8rlunitik: it says to rename it to open it...what would i rename it to?05:13
kimcasconesaphari_: hold on a sec05:13
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membreyathoreauputic: is ntpd running on your computer?05:13
muehlbucksdoh... it was just the theme i was using :-(05:13
lunitikcrazydeb8r: if it has spaces etc, take those out... what is an example file name?05:13
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crazydeb8rlunitik: imladris - that's it05:14
lunitikcrazydeb8r: no extension?05:14
thoreauputicmembreya: it is now ;-)05:15
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membreyathoreauputic: well tick the little box my friend and awaaaay you go :)05:15
thoreauputicmembreya: and the box ticked itself automagically05:15
membreyahappy now thoreauputic ? :P05:15
membreyamwuahahah ph33r my 2 1/2 weeks of l33tn3$$ with ubuntu :P05:16
thoreauputicthrilled beyond words05:16
crazydeb8rlunitik: nope.05:16
delltonyis there a way to roll back to a another kernal image if one doesn't work?05:16
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membreyadelltony: grub? :)05:16
delltonyyeah :(05:16
membreyaunless you deleted it the image will still be there :)05:16
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delltonywell ig uess it got deleted05:17
delltonycause i only have 686 in there05:17
membreyaapt-get the image :)05:17
lunitikdelltony: hit 'esc' when it asks during boot... and choose another?05:17
delltonyi have choosed them all they don't work05:17
membreyadelltony how is that possible? :|05:17
kimcasconeok I'm back05:18
delltonyhow is what possible?05:18
delltonyi was speaking to lunitik sorry05:18
membreyadelltony: how is it possible for NO images to work ?05:18
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delltonyhe was talking about hte grub menu select different ones05:18
delltonythey don't work05:18
membreyahmmm anyone know any good games for ubuntu? :)05:18
delltonythey are all 68605:18
kimcasconehow is xmms coming05:18
membreyadelltony: what CPU are you running?05:18
thoreauputicmembreya: yeah, "bait the newb"05:19
delltonyp4 3.2ghz05:19
MazusCan anyone help me with Dns?05:19
membreyathoreauputic: you're being mean :P05:19
saphari_i am still stuck at the command line05:19
LinuxJonesmembreya, frozen-bubble & chromium are very good time killers :)05:19
kimcasconesorry I had to do something with the nt server05:19
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thoreauputicmembreya: mwuhahaha05:19
kimcasconeok forget the command line05:19
lunitikMazus: what do you need?05:19
delltonyso how do you get this thing to go to the command line so you can do things i have the install cd and a warty live cd (i'm on hoary)05:19
crazydeb8rlunitik: i apologized for that, and i'll never msg someone again ;-)05:19
compmanio36mmm.......time to burn the hoary ISO :D05:19
delltonywhat do i need to do so i can mount and hopefully use aptget and so forth05:20
kimcasconedid you set xmms as your default player?05:20
staticohow does one go about turning on video mirroring with an external display with Xorg ?05:20
lunitikcrazydeb8r: you're not the only one... I get one about every 10 mins... its annoying05:20
Mazusi can connect to sites like
membreyadelltony..oh so you don't have a running system at all :( that's gotta hurt05:20
BrianAnthonywww.project-xyphox.com can anyone load that website?05:20
delltonymembreya: bingo :p05:20
Mazusi cant go and type www.google.com05:20
BrianAnthonyer ping, even05:20
Mazusit just doesnt worj] 05:20
saphari_i don't know how, i am vvery new to this and the window goes very fast05:20
lunitikMazus: you're hosting your own DNS?05:20
thoreauputiclunitik: just develop a fearsome reputation and they'll stay away ;)05:20
delltonyif i could figure out how to rollback to the old image that might work05:20
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lunitikMazus: and /etc/resolv.conf is correct?05:21
kimcasconeok lets check the storage window05:21
saphari_i perfer pms05:21
crazydeb8rlunitik: I know, i've noticed.05:21
crazydeb8ranyone have any ideas on smb shares? How do you access them?05:21
Mazusill check that lunitik05:21
kimcasconemain menu/desktop prefs/removable storage05:21
membreyasaphari_: :|05:21
lunitikMazus: if not, ask your ISP what the DNS should be, or go to google and search for a root name server05:21
membreyacrazydeb8r: are you trying to mount remove smb shares locally?05:21
membreyaremove = remote05:21
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inc_Welcome to Project Xyphox05:22
inc_Thank you for visiting our site! Although we are just getting started and won't have much to show for, please come back and see us again really soon!05:22
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crazydeb8rmembreya, yes.05:22
membreyacrazydeb8r: go to a console05:23
membreyaand type sudo apt-get install sambafs05:23
membreyalet me know when you're done05:23
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inc_BrianAnthony: that it?05:23
saphari_drives and media preferences05:23
knoppixhey guys05:23
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crazydeb8rmembreya, i will, jas05:24
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membreyalet me know when it's installed05:24
inc_anyone know of a way to get ubuntu to run embedded05:25
kimcasconeis the play audio check box checked?05:25
bbbmanok, if i am in knoppix and i want to partiton my hard drive to install ubuntu05:25
membreyabbbman: #knoppix? :)05:25
kimcasconeand type in /usr/bin/xmms into the command window05:25
crazydeb8rmembreya, it couldn't find the package05:25
bbbmanok thanks ill got here05:25
thoreauputicbbbman: qtparted, methinks05:26
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bbbmanill give it a try05:26
delltonyis there a way to apt-get uninstall in hoary using a warty live bootcd?05:26
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kimcasconethis should make xmms come up when a new cd is inserted05:27
crazydeb8rmembreya; is it smbfs?05:27
membreyacrazydeb8r: was just about to say that..sorry mate :)05:27
crazydeb8rmembreya: step ahead of you :-)05:27
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membreyasorry watching TV at the same time and trying to avoid the heat05:27
geppyI've used Gallery from source, before, but I'm not sure how the gallery package in the repository configures itself.  Where can I find the docs?05:28
delltonyi guess not :(05:28
kimcasconenow make sure you have closed xmms and take out the cd05:29
crazydeb8rmembreya: it seems my connection hates me - i can't resollve any of the repositories05:30
saphari_i browsed the cd and i can read it05:30
membreyacrazydeb8r: can you resolve hostnames?05:30
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crazydeb8rmembreya: what do you mean?05:31
saphari_is .mov the songs?05:31
membreyaie can you ping www.ubuntu.org05:31
kimcasconeno these are movies05:31
saphari_can i move them to the direstory?05:31
saphari_where are the songs?05:32
kimcasconeif this is an audio cd the files should be .cda files05:32
geppyGallery, anyone?05:32
kimcasconeyou can't move them05:32
kimcasconethey are burned onto the cde05:32
Mazi can ping my local host and i can join sites like (google) i just can join normal sites like www.google.com05:32
MazCan anyone help me?05:32
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kimcascone] just play them from the cdplayer05:32
membreyaMaz: do you have nameservers set?05:33
crazydeb8rmembreya: yes, i can resolve hostnames, and I tried to dig the server and got nothing05:33
Mazmembreya what do you mean?05:33
membreyawhat do you have in /etc/resolv.conf05:33
membreyacrazydeb8r: what ubuntu are you running?05:33
Mazall i have in that is05:34
Maz"Domain : ____"05:34
crazydeb8rmembreya: uh, the stable one :-)05:34
Mazi line05:34
Maz*1 line05:34
Maz2 words05:34
saphari_the damn dir came up again05:34
membreyamaz you need to have "nameserver (ip)"05:34
Mazso "nameserver (myip)" ??05:35
kimcasconewhich dir?05:35
membreyamaz: it needs to be your ISPs DNS server, unless you run a local one05:35
saphari_i think i figured it05:35
Mazok ill google my isp see if it has one05:36
crazydeb8rmembreya: even odder...the other computers behind my firewall are haviing no problems.05:36
membreyacrazydeb8r: just try it :)05:36
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membreyayou might want to check their resolv.conf tho05:36
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membreyalo monoxide05:36
membreyamaz..what ISP ?05:37
crazydeb8rmembreya, thanks05:37
thoreauputicmembreya: BTW there are a whole bunch of ntp servers you can tick in the time applet thing05:37
membreyathoreauputic: no dher :P05:37
Jmax1632Any dev-level techs in here?05:37
kim1I'm still here05:38
thoreauputicmembreya: sorry?05:38
Jmax1632kim1: you?05:38
Mazok membreya brb05:38
Mazi found a dns server05:38
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membreyathoreauputic: meaning ....i know there is :)05:38
membreyamaz: add it to your resolv.conf05:38
kimcasconexmms comes up when you load a cd audio?05:38
thoreauputicmembreya: ah, OK... just thought I'd illuminate the obvious again...05:39
membreyathoreauputic: you have a penchant for that :)05:39
Jmax1632Any dev-level techs in here?05:39
saphari_yeah buit that other dir comes ip05:39
saphari_no it doesn't05:39
kimcasconewhich other dir05:39
Jmax1632Any dev-level techs in here? please join #jmax!05:39
Jmax1632Any dev-level techs in here? please join #jmax !05:39
saphari_from rb05:40
waseemHi I am using gaim. I seem to be having a problem direct connecting with people using aim. Did anyone here seem to find a solution for this?05:40
thoreauputicmembreya: ah, but I do it with "un certain panache" ;-)05:40
cr4z3danyone know how to stop ubuntu from checking the floppy disk on startup.. my laptop has no floppy and hangs when it checks for one05:40
kimcasconerb is still launching?05:40
Jmax1632Any dev-level techs in here? please join #jmax !05:40
membreyawaseem: are you directly connected to the net or are you using a firewall/gateway?05:40
kimcasconedid you chasnge the default in the CD storage?05:40
waseemmembreya: i am connected to a router05:40
membreyathoreauputic: yes you have a certain jen ne se qua05:41
waseemthere is a firewall, but i never had a problem direct connecting to people using aim on windows05:41
membreyawaseem: you will need to try using IP forwarding05:41
inc_is there a hoary live cd iso?05:41
thoreauputicmembreya: monsieur, c'est pas du Francais, ca...05:42
BrianAnthonywhat is a good program that can take pictures with a web camera?05:42
TheMusoinc_: Yes there is.05:42
inc_got a url?05:43
saphari_yeah thanks for your help05:43
saphari_i'm going to bed05:43
Jmax1632this is rather urgent05:43
TheMusoinc_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/array-5/05:43
membreyathoreauputic: say what now ..we can't translate that..something about sir ..not french05:43
thoreauputicmembreya: never mind...05:44
membreyathoreauputic: tell me :(05:44
Jmax1632dead, eh?05:44
SiRrUsgood evening people05:44
thoreauputicI just said what you wrote was not french05:44
saphari_night folks05:44
membreyaJmax1632: wouldn't you assume from the lack of responses that noone is a dev level tech05:45
membreyanight saphari_05:45
membreyahi SiRrUs :)05:45
saphari_thanks kim05:45
BrianAnthonywaseem: I would think that because it's not AIM it would naturaly have a problem05:45
BrianAnthonywaseem: GAIM isn't AIM05:45
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SiRrUsdamm i got a hello :)05:45
Jmax1632membreya: then who can i contact one regarding an urgent matter?05:45
veristeadomg these updates are taking forever05:45
membreyathoreauputic: jen ne se qua was french :P05:45
veristeadit has been like an hour05:45
inc_TheMuso, thanks05:45
membreyaJmax1632: wait till daniels is here :P05:45
veristeadno percentage05:46
veristeador progress bar05:46
SiRrUsJmax1632 whats your urgent matter05:46
thoreauputicmembreya: only just recognisable as such, I'm afraid :)05:46
Jmax1632membreya: when are you expecting him?\05:46
membreyaBrianAnthony: gaim allows you to logon with multiple protocols, including aim05:46
kimcasconesorry I couldn't be more help05:46
BrianAnthonymembreya: I know this.05:46
membreyaJmax1632: usually trolling at night05:46
Jmax1632SiRrUs: please join #jmax, it's not me05:46
membreyathoreauputic: considering I did one term of it 12 years ago? :)05:46
BrianAnthonymembreya: AIM uses the TOC protocol05:46
thoreauputicmembreya: I think you meant "je ne sais quoi" but I can't be sure... ;-)05:46
Jmax1632a friend who has ubntu05:46
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BrianAnthonymembreya: AIM is just a frontend05:46
thoreauputicmembreya: hehe05:46
SiRrUswhy dont they join here?05:46
BrianAnthonymembreya: GAIM != AIM05:47
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membreyaBrianAnthony: I stand aside for your glory :)05:47
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BrianAnthonymembreya: =P I'm just guessing this.05:47
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inc_cool they got torrent d/ls05:48
Jmax1632SiRrUs: bubbaonlinux05:49
bubbaonlinuxjmax said you might be able to help i'm getting a kernal panic after running 2.6.4-10 linux-image is there a way to revert back so i can boot again05:50
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Jmax1632my trolling is just a frontend ;005:50
farruinnveristead: how fast is your connection?05:50
bubbaonlinuxerr linux-image 2.6.10-4-686 to be more specific05:50
jdubbubbaonlinux: upgrade again, or boot with 'noinotify'05:50
membreyaJmax1632: this was your major problem??05:51
membreyait's a known flaw with a few workarounds05:51
billytwowillybubbaonlinux, hit esc during bootup and select the old kernel in grub..05:52
membreyaeither running noinotify or boot to a stable kernel and do an apt-get update && upgrade...there's a patch out there05:52
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bubbaonlinuxold kernal isn't there05:52
membreyabubbaonlinux: deleted it ?05:52
bubbaonlinuxnot that i know of but its obviously gone05:52
crimsunboot from the livecd and chroot into your install05:52
billytwowillybubbaonlinux, It should be. Unless you did something funky during dist-upgrade;)05:52
Viper12with today's hoary updates......has the printing gui app gotten broken?  just checkin.05:53
bubbaonlinuxwell its not unfortunately05:53
billytwowillybubbaonlinux, does it just hang before anything comes up on screen?05:53
billytwowillybubbaonlinux, if so, you might not have finished the upgrade properly leaving grub improperly configured.05:54
bubbaonlinuxyeah says kernel panic can't read image05:54
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billytwowillyboot off a knoppix cd, chroot and do an apt-get dist-upgrade.05:54
bubbaonlinuxi don't have a knoppix cd i only have a warty install cd a hoary 5 install cd and a warty live cd05:55
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geppyGallery, anyone?05:55
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billytwowillyok, boot off a warty livecd then.05:55
Telepright, so much for the silly oscars05:56
billytwowillyjust get booted up and chrooted to your old / and do an apt-get dist-upgrade05:56
bubbaonlinuxwell can you teach me h ow to do that please05:56
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billytwowillyboot off wartylivecd, su, mount your hard drive, chroot /mnt/whereveryoumountedyourharddrive05:57
bbbmandumb question: how do i unzip bz2 files05:58
billytwowillyapt-get update05:58
billytwowillyapt-get dist-upgrade05:58
bubbaonlinuxhold on you keep saying boot off live cd05:58
bubbaonlinuxas in just let it go all the way to gnome desktop and all05:58
billytwowillyput livecd in your cdrom and turn on the computer..05:58
crimsunbbbman: bunzip2 foo.bz205:58
billytwowillyI'm sorry,  don't have time to explain further. I don't know if it will fix your problem either, but it might. It certainly sounds like what is the problem anyway..05:59
billytwowillyoh, make sure you mount the hard drive read and write.05:59
bubbaonlinuxok i'm booting it up now can someone else help me since he has to go05:59
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compmanio36hmm....not too hot about hoary so far....06:01
NeoChaosXhas naybody had any stability problem upgrading from Warty to Hoary? Would it be safe to do it now or wait until Hoary's finalized?06:02
compmanio36oh.....never mind....there's the package manager :P06:02
geppyNeoChaosX:  Hoary is unstable.06:03
billytwowillyNeoChaosX, I had problems with the 2.6.10-4 kernel, but it's fixed now.06:03
crimsunNeoChaosX: it's safe at this present moment06:03
SiRrUsNeoChaosX so far so good for me06:03
bubbaonlinuxi see the warty cd just totally wipes out the sources.list can converts them back to warty06:03
geppyNeoChaosX:  If you're in the least concerned about stability, you should wait until Hoary final is released.  It's almost time.06:04
NeoChaosXI see06:04
moquist_anybody know what table types are included by default in mysql in ubuntu?06:04
bubbaonlinuxwhen is array 6 coming out?06:04
moquist_or anybody know how I can figure it out?06:04
NeoChaosXI guess I'll stick with Warty for now06:04
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BanditNeoChaosX its been very stable for me06:04
bubbaonlinuxits stable till it doesn't boot like with me but i think i caused this problem :)06:05
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BanditServer Uptime 10 days, 1:31:10 thats fairly stable06:05
geppyBandit:  Erm... no.06:05
bubbaonlinuxcan someone pm me their hoary sources.list please or point me to where i can find it please06:06
Banditwith an "unstable" OS  Erm yeah06:06
geppyBandit:  With GNU/Linux, ten days is nothing.06:06
geppyBandit:  It doesn't matter what distro you're running, ten days is nothing.06:06
moquistBandit: ubuntu "unstable" isn't *that* unstable06:07
Banditgeppy thats right06:07
geppyBandit:  You don't get it.06:07
BanditI get it fine06:07
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Yomegaarf lol06:07
Banditgeppy you usually sit in here and whine about how unstable the OS is06:08
joeblowWhat's a good WYSIWYG html editor for linux other than mozilla composer/nvu??06:08
geppyBandit:  "unstable" means that it's not fin-tuned enough for regular use;  that doesn't mean that it'll crash as soon as your turn it on06:08
Bandityour kidding would never have known06:08
Banditthanks for the education06:08
geppyBandit:  No, I've complained one time in the six months that I've been here, and that was about an hour ago, because I came home after the weekend to find that my computer was unresponsive.06:08
geppyBandit:  Fine, flame me, I'm not going to argue with you.06:09
thoreauputicgentlemen! gentlemen! no fighting - think of the furniture!06:09
bubbaonlinuxwell i'm convienced when hoary borks there is no return :P cause i can't figure out how to apt-get my old image06:09
geppythoreauputic:  hahaha =)06:09
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Yomegaarf lol06:09
geppybubbaonlinux:  Not only that, I installed gallery, and now dpkg is broken. =)06:09
bubbaonlinuxyeah that happened to me before06:09
SiRrUsamazing :)06:09
bubbaonlinuxnow this06:09
farruinngeppy: ouch06:09
bbbmanhey guys, whats a way to partition my hard drive besides fidsk and qtparted06:10
bbbmannevermind guys06:10
geppyfarruinn:  Yeah.  I think I'm just going to manually delete the files that are being problematic, then remove it and install from source.06:10
akiraif that exists?06:10
bubbaonlinuxsorry to say but i seem to reinstall more on linux than i ever did on windows even though i want to like ubuntu and all this is starting to piss me off i guess its cause i don't understand it gonna give it another try i guess06:10
bbbmanim just using parted06:10
geppyaw, crap, that's not working06:10
bubbaonlinuxwhen does hoary array 6 come out06:10
geppybubbaonlinux:  You're going to have to do that a lot if you run unstable;  why don't you run Warty?06:11
bubbaonlinuxsuppose to be today i thought06:11
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bbbmanhow big should my swap space be?06:11
bubbaonlinuxi had warty on here just trying something new which is fine06:11
bubbaonlinuxbut i had issues with it too06:11
bbbmanif i have 180 megs of memory06:11
bubbaonlinuxill just shut up i'm just pissed off06:11
akiradepends on memory06:11
akiraand how much of your harddrive you want to put to it06:12
thoreauputicbbbman: maybe 360MB or so06:12
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bbbmanand it should be a "logical" partition right?06:12
jdubdoesn't matter06:13
bbbmandosent matter if swap is primary or logical?06:13
thoreauputiceither is fine06:13
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thoreauputicbbbman: you  just can't exceed 4 primaries on one drive06:14
bbbmanoh ok, thanks06:14
geppyHrm, when I finished hacking up a fix for my problem, rhythmbox segfaulted. =)06:15
helio7I'm getting "The CUPS server could not be contacted" error, I want to print to my attached usb HP printer that was working fine yesterday before I messed with the settings trying to get network print to work... any quick tips?  I can't even open the printer gui admin dialog...06:15
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bbbmanok, is there a link for bootstrap already compiled?06:15
geppythoreauputic:  haha06:15
bubbaonlinuxanyone know what time today array 6 will be release?06:15
Yomegarythmbox is working very bad on my PC06:15
geppythoreauputic:  "a few"? =)06:15
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Yomegahorrible lagging06:16
geppythoreauputic:  If I wasn't so lazy, I'd be running iTunes06:16
thoreauputicgeppy: it's called understatement, i believe....06:16
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geppyYomega:  that's a sound server problem, and it's not really fixable, unless you want to use plain ol' OSS or ALSA, or switch to JACK, none of which would I advise06:16
geppythoreauputic:  haha, yeah06:16
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bbbmani want to build the bootstrap but im afarid i dont have any compilers on my system06:17
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helio7any tips on getting my printer config re-opened? I think I broke it by messing with cups settings...06:17
crimsunbbbman: sudo aptitude install build-essential06:17
membreyawhats rythmbox? :|06:17
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NeoChaosXbeep-media-player > XMMS, imo06:17
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geppyNeoChaosX:  Beep is basically the same as XMMS, just prettier. =)06:18
saphari_hi is kim still here?06:18
NeoChaosXYeah, I prefer GTK2 over GTK106:18
NicPwhat do u use geppy?06:18
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saphari_aww,  i got xmms to work06:18
geppyNicP:  I'm using Rhythmbox06:19
NeoChaosXPartially because I still can't seem to be able to change my GTK1 theme even with the theme-switch program06:19
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NicPhmm i'll have to look at that06:19
membreyahmmmm rhythmbox appears to be a playlist manager???06:19
thoreauputicsaphari_: well done you !06:19
geppyNicP:  It comes with Ubuntu06:19
NicPi havent installed it yet :P06:19
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geppymembreya:  It's a music library manager;  it doesn't really make use of playlists06:19
geppyNicP:  haha =)06:19
NeoChaosXI had to get the deb from the official beep site, though, the menus in the repository version of BMP were broken06:20
saphari_yes i am very pleased,  will you please pass on  that i got and a big thank you06:20
membreyageppy: I have like 980 music videos.. I don't need a manager :|06:20
geppymembreya:  haha06:20
crimsunmoquist: sorry if someone else already answered; seems to be berkeleydb (bdb), innodb, and isam06:20
geppymembreya:  It's not that I need one, only that I'm getting to where I like to be productive every once in a while, and beating XMMS into submission kind of takes time away from that. =)06:21
moquistcrimsun: nope, nobody else said a thing.06:21
crimsunmoquist: check the various flags passed to ./configure in $(source)/debian/rules06:21
saphari_you got to into to xmms and pick cdrom and it will list the songs06:21
moquistcrimsun: but when I try to create innodb tables i get myisam instead... :(06:21
moquistBDB tables work fine06:21
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saphari_ok bed for me06:21
thoreauputicsaphari_: indeed06:21
thoreauputicsaphari_: sleep well06:22
saphari_i'll be back just to learn from you all :)06:22
membreyasaphari_: ignore thoreauputic then06:22
NicPthe problem with all those music managers is that my music dosent work well with them06:22
thoreauputicmembreya: excellent advice06:22
saphari_lol,  why06:22
NicPmy musit isnt artist/album06:22
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NicPits all compilation cds and vinyl rips06:23
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thoreauputicsaphari_: I have unresolved issues, according to membreya ;)06:23
membreyaincluding grooming :P06:23
saphari_will i learn more then linux ;)06:23
thoreauputicsaphari_: he's right, of course06:23
helio7i'm somewhat at my wits end I need to print for a deadline tomorrow and I can't find the answer in the forums; can anyone lend me a hand with a simple usb printer configuration problem?06:23
membreyaremember, I'm a sociopath.. I know you better than you do06:24
thoreauputicmembreya: ah, I wasn't aware my webcam was working....06:24
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membreyathoreauputic: I ha><0red j00!06:24
thoreauputicmembreya: that wouldn't be difficult...06:24
farruinnhelio7: you'd probably have better luck asking your question06:24
helio7I tried that a couple of times first06:24
saphari_ok i'm off now,  bye guys :)06:25
moquistcrimsun: thx for the advice about the configure flags - that's what I had no idea how to do.06:25
helio7farruinn: I'm getting "The CUPS server could not be contacted" error, I want to print to my attached usb HP printer that was working fine yesterday before I messed with the settings trying to get network print to work... any quick tips?  I can't even open the printer gui admin dialog...06:25
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thoreauputicOH NO! I have b33n p0wnedZ0r!06:25
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bubbaonlinuxcurious if your system is hosed and you don't want to actually loose everything is skipping to base install without formating possible to work? are am i looking at more borkness :)06:27
farruinnhelio7: I odn't know if this will help, but 'dpkg-reconfigure --default-priority cupsys' might help...06:29
thoreauputicbubbaonlinux: it rather depends on whether you have a separate home partition for your important data, or similar06:29
helio7farruinn: thanks i'll try it06:29
farruinnhelio7: you may have to do an 'apt-get remove --purge cupsys' if that doesn't work, then reinstall it06:30
bubbaonlinuxok i can't complain too much even though it has pissed me off i thought i had hoary all done waiting for new array and wammo :)06:30
bubbaonlinuxlive and learn06:30
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helio7farruinn does "child exited with status 98 mean anything?06:31
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farruinnis that all it said?06:31
itgahi all, How can I automount USB storage device with PCMCIA USB06:31
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bhi, how can I get rid of the package verification feature so I quit getting lame errors06:32
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bbbmanhey guys, if i dont have make on my comptuer06:34
bbbmanwhat else could i use as a subustitue06:34
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bHow can I get rid of GPG verification feature , turn it off, so I dont get the warnings for unauthorized software?06:35
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thoreauputicb get your packages from approved sources?06:35
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bbbmanyea my packages are from apporved sources06:35
bbbmani need to "make" the boot strap06:35
blol...some good packages arent approved and that wasnt a friendly answer06:35
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MyNameIsChrisDoes anyone know why my ps2 ports fail under an smp kernel?06:36
thoreauputicbbbman: sudo apt-get install build-essential make06:36
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eclipsecan anyone help me have the window panel?06:36
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bbbmanthoreuaputic: no apt-get06:36
daejavuelipse : shoot !06:36
thoreauputicbbbman: ah06:37
dr_willishmm - for an AMD64 machine (test machine, not any real work) would anyone care to reccoemd Hoary over warty? or Visa Versa?06:37
geppyOkay, I'm having some serious difficulties installing gallery, because when I try to open my gallery folder from my browser, it attempts to download it, because it "is a zip file"06:37
dr_williswanting to test out Cedega also on it.06:37
geppyI'm lost.06:37
geppydr_willis:  Warty would be better for gaming.06:37
bBTW Thoreu, you said earlier that u used alot of different sources, obviously not approved, so you are a hypocrite not to answer an easy question without rebukeing me06:37
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helio7farruin, i'm very appreciative for the tips; troubleshooting can be beyond my abilities when under a deadline and past my thinking hour; the printer is working now...06:38
dr_williswarty the one with x.org? or Xfree? why better?06:38
geppydr_willis:  Truthfully, Transgaming says that 2.4.x is better for gaming, but Warty should be fine.06:38
farruinnhelio7: excellent, what did you have to do?06:38
dr_willisI am assumeing the Xfree vs Xorg was the issue. Lol.06:38
geppydr_willis:  I wasn't aware that any of Warty had x.org.  I'd go with XFree, because Transgaming supports it more fully.06:38
ball I asked was how to turn the lame warning off06:38
dr_willisyea.. i got a few machinew with each.. i can never keep the  2 seperate.. :P06:38
geppydr_willis:  Oh, well, Warty is more stable, which is important.06:38
geppydr_willis:  haha =)06:38
dr_williswarty is the 'safe bet' ? and Hoary is the "cutting edge" ?06:39
farruinndr_willis: right06:39
dr_willisHeh :P06:39
dr_willisGuess i will stick with warty then.06:39
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mystifycan anybody help me plz06:40
bbbmanso any ideas on how i can build this package without make06:40
geppymystify:  Just ask your question.06:40
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geppybbbman:  I don't see how you could make anything without make.06:40
mystifyi have a program called Reason and i dunno how to install it06:40
mystifyon linux06:40
magnonmystify: that's a windows/mac program as far as I know, the audio program at least06:41
dr_willisHmm.. never heard of it. :P06:41
geppymystify:  Is it a Linux program?06:41
farruinnmystify: is that some sort of audio app?06:41
bso it is my guess that you really dont know how to turn the synaptic warning off yourself then...06:41
goldfishit is an audio app06:41
goldfishybest one around106:41
mystifyyes, its for making music and such06:41
magnonmystify: that won't go for lijnux06:41
mystifygigantic program06:41
mystifyah man...that bites06:41
geppymystify:  You could try WINE, but it probably won't work.06:41
helio7farruinn: i tried the dpkg-reconfigure but that didnt' solve it, so i did "sudo apt-get remove --purge cupsys and then 'sudo apt-get install cupsys' and that worked (= pretty simple i guess, but i've never uninstalled anything like that before so the syntax would have taken me a long time to figure out06:41
mystifyi cant ever get wine to work thoguh06:41
goldfishthe soundbanls are huge06:41
magnongeppy: and the audio subsys would suck.06:41
geppymystify:  There are a ton of good Linux audio apps out there.  Try Audacity, DDClip, and the like.06:42
geppymagnon:  Yeah.06:42
mystifywhere do i get these?06:42
dr_willisIve gotten wine working with basic programs like irfanview and so forth.06:42
waseemHi I am having two problems. My sound does not seem to be working. All my music files wont open up with any audio players. Also how do I configure my webcam (Logitech Quickcam Pro). Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks06:42
geppymystify:  Try looking in Synaptic.06:42
magnonI use rosegarden for music notation. It's good06:42
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mystifyim brand new to linux so could you or someone else walk me through using synaptic?06:42
geppywaseem:  What model?06:42
geppywaseem:  Mmm, good.06:43
magnonmystify: sorry, I'm in a hurry right now - but there are loads of documentation around06:43
waseemgeppy: can you help me out?06:43
magnonthey are in the channel topic06:43
geppywaseem:  Try installing 'qccam' and whatever is required.06:43
mystifyugh, i hate reading stuff online, gets too boring and complicated06:43
mystifythanks anyways though06:43
magnonmystify: the ubuntu documentation should be pretty straightforward.06:43
waseemgeppy: where can i get qccam?06:43
magnonor, try waiting for someone else to help :)06:43
geppywaseem:  I know of people who've installed it on Mandrake with no problem, but I don't have one, so I can't really help you, sorry...  I could point you to some forum posts, I suppose.06:43
waseemok thanks06:44
geppywaseem:  It's in some repository or another.  Have you enabled universe/multiverse?06:44
waseemim unsure06:44
geppywaseem:  run this:06:44
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geppywaseem: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list06:44
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waseemgeppy: now what do i do06:45
geppywaseem:  Remove the # from the beginning of the lines that say this:06:45
geppy deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe06:45
geppy deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe06:45
geppywaseem:  Then save it, and run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install qccam'06:45
geppywaseem:  erm, qcam06:45
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Dr_willisall rigthy - lets get this Warty Install going.. oh wait - did i want Hoary.,..06:46
geppywaseem:  It doesn't look like there's a binary module available:  I can walk you through building the module using module-assistant, if you'd like.06:46
Dr_willis*sigh* :P06:46
geppyDr_willis:  No.06:46
waseemthat would be appreciated06:46
waseembut let me install qcam first06:46
waseemits still updating06:46
geppywaseem:  Alright.06:46
Dr_willisdang it - i burnt one of both.. and think i got the labels backwards...06:46
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waseemok its done06:47
waseemnow what should i do06:47
geppywaseem:  Well, first, try and see if it just works, just in case. =)06:48
Dr_willisHmm. this install sees my SATA raid.. Nifty..06:48
geppywaseem:  run qcam06:48
waseemgeppy: qcam cannot be found06:48
geppywaseem:  Try gqcam06:48
waseemgeppy: i updated and installed everything06:48
waseemdoesnt work either06:49
geppywaseem:  try 'apt-get install gqcam qc-usb-source qc-usb-source'06:49
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geppywaseem:  does gqcam run?06:50
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waseem/dev/video: No such file or directory06:51
mystifycan anybody help me download and install Audacity or DDClip?06:51
waseemafter i tried to run gqcam06:51
geppywaseem:  Alright, I think that if we build the module, it should work.06:51
geppywaseem:  apt-get install module-assistant06:51
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geppywaseem:  module-assistant06:52
geppywaseem: wait, no06:52
geppywaseem:  sudo module-assistant06:52
bI'll ask my question once more, how can I turn off gpg key warnings when I want to use unauthorized repositories to get special software (ie.libdvdcss)?06:52
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thoreauputicmystify: audacity appears to be in the universe repository - so ` sudo apt-get install audacity` shoud do it if you have enabled "universe'06:53
geppyb:  If they don't bother you, why not just ignore them?06:53
waseemgeppy: i did that and now a grey box appeared in the terminal06:53
waseemit has several options06:53
geppywaseem:  Yes, select UPDATE and then tab to OK06:53
bbecause I remember they can be turned off and I turned them off in other distros, but forgot how06:53
mystifyk thank you06:54
waseemgeppy: its done updating06:54
geppywaseem:  PREPARE06:54
bsimple question...but maybe too technical here...06:54
farruinnI'm trying to build mol (following MacOnLinuxHowto wiki page) but it fails because it can't find /include/linux/config.h however config.h is in /usr/include/linux06:54
waseemgeppy: its done06:55
farruinnShort of symlinking /usr/include to /include, how do I fix this?06:55
geppywaseem: SELECT06:55
bob2b: yes, way too technical06:55
geppywaseem:  then, select qc-usb, qce06:55
bob2no one here has apt knowledge comparable to yours06:55
geppybob2: hahaha =)06:55
bob2I believe you use the -l option to slapt-get to disable it06:55
geppywaseem:  Then, tab to OK06:56
bum...flaming bob?06:56
bob2farruinn: er, sure it's looing for /include? that dir doesn't exist on any linux system.06:56
waseemgeppy: what should i do next06:56
bUbuntu man  PEACE06:56
thoreauputicb pot kettle?06:56
mystifyok...i need help...i used synaptic to get audacity and now i dunno how or where to run the program06:56
geppywaseem: GET06:56
geppywaseem:  Then, BUILD, INSTALL, and BACK06:56
bob2farruinn: I'd guess it's looking for /includes/ under the kernel source tree, but the kernel source dir variable is empty06:56
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Dr_willisHmm.. "Can not find the hardware clock by any known method" - thats a new messge for this machine. :P06:56
bI only tried to help and was attacked for no reason06:56
geppywaseem:  Yes06:57
waseemgeppy:   Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel version could not     06:57
waseem      be found                                                           06:57
waseem      and you did not specify other kernel headers to use.06:57
geppywaseem:  Oh, my mistake.06:57
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geppywaseem:  can you run 'uname -r', and give me the output?06:57
bob2b: man apt-get, --allow-unauthenticated06:57
bthank you Bob06:57
waseemgeppy: in a new terminal?06:58
geppywaseem:  Preferably.06:58
Dr_willis--allow-unauthenticated  - GESH what a long "flag" that is..06:58
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GreySimAnyone know of a good Linux networking FAQ/Howto?  I seem to be having trouble resolving domain names, but it's only for http requests and only under Linux.  I keep having to ping a site to get it's IP address before I can visit it.  >.<06:58
farruinnbob2: should I really need the kernel source for building this module?  According tot he howto it should only need linux-headers-*06:59
bI thought there was a file in /etc that could be commented out too, but maybe i am mistaken06:59
mystifythx, but i downloaded Audacity from Synaptic, and i think it installed itself, but where do i find it and how do i run the program?!?!?!?!06:59
geppywaseem: apt-get install linux-source-.... wait, are you running Hoary?06:59
adamZmystify: start a terminal, type audacity (assuming it's not already in the menu)06:59
farruinnbob2: the file it wants, config.h exists, include/linux is simply in /usr not /06:59
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waseemgeppy: how do i find out if im running hoary?06:59
mystifywow, that helped07:00
thoreauputicwaseem: cat /etc/issue07:00
waseemUbuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l07:00
geppywaseem:  I just rebooted back to Hoary, I'm not exactly sure what the Hoary packages are called.07:00
geppywaseem: sudo apt-get install linux-source-* linux-headers-*07:00
Amaranthman, i can't wait to see the upgrades i'm going to have when i hook my hoary box up again tomorrow07:01
bob2farruinn: er,, no, the files in /usr/include/ are not what you need07:01
waseemgeppy: its gonna take 10 minutes07:01
Amaranthit hasn't had internet access for about 45 days07:01
bob2farruinn: you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)07:01
waseemwell 5 minutes now07:01
geppywaseem:  Okay, go have some donuts. =)07:01
bThanks for the help I have received here, and if I have offended, I am sorry, not my intent...I only tried to help07:01
thoreauputicb Peace, then :)07:01
geppyAnyone know why Apache would try to pass of a directory as a zip file?07:01
wm_eddieI think I'm in trouble.07:02
Dr_willisgeppy,  hmm.. that sounds very odd..  permission issues perhaps?07:02
wm_eddiemy dist-upgrade (to hoary) fails with libwxgtk2.407:02
Dr_willisif ya download the .zip whats in it? :P07:02
geppyDr_willis:  It's all 077707:02
wm_eddie trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/helpviewer', which is also in package wxpython2.5.307:02
membreyahmmm anyone know of some funky themes for gnome ? or is it just a vanilla desktop?07:04
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jdubmembreya: www.gnome-look.org, art.gnome.org, and there are themes already included07:05
geppyDr_willis:  haha07:06
geppyDr_willis:  file-roller says "Could not open 's3jsqm85.phtml' \n Archive type not supported"07:06
geppyDr_willis:  Perhaps I don't have phtml support enabled?07:06
geppyDr_willis:  I mean, not in file-roller, but for apache07:06
waseemgeppy: its done07:06
wm_eddieI think the wxgtk-python package is bugged.07:06
copilotIf I install gaim 1.1.4 from source, will it overwrite 1.1.0?07:06
GreySimSorry to "spam", but this is gonna be the last time I bother people in here with this, and only because it seems a little less hectic than it did the first time I asked, but...07:06
GreySimAnyone know of a good Linux networking FAQ/Howto?  I seem to be having trouble resolving domain names, but it's only for http requests and only under Linux.  I keep having to ping a site to get it's IP address before I can visit it.  >.<07:06
bob2copilot: install it to /usr/local/ and it won't07:06
bob2(highly recommended)07:06
Dr_willisgeppy,  hmm.. save it to disk amnd look at it? try a differnt browser?07:06
copilotI shall do that.07:06
bob2GreySim: 'only for http'? are you sure?07:06
membreyaGreySim: how's your resolv.conf?07:07
GreySimNo, but that's all I've noticed.07:07
waseemgeppy: its done07:07
copiloterr. how do I specify.07:07
copilotI suck so much. =(07:07
GreySimmembreya, I'll check real quick, 1 sec.07:07
membreyacopilot: the question is not of if you suck or not but if you suck good07:07
bob2copilot: ./configure --help07:07
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farruinnbob2: Thanks, for some reason my kernel version is but headers are available07:07
bob2copilot: prefix is what you want07:07
bob2[Zenith] `afk: please turn that off07:08
GreySimsearch domain.actdsltmp07:08
bob2farruinn: you'll need to upgrade your kernel then07:08
GreySimNameservers are correct--no idea where the search bit came from.07:08
bob2that came from your dns server07:08
geppyDr_willis:  Hrm, Apache sucks on Ubuntu =)07:08
geppywaseem:  Try going back into 'module-assistant', and trying to build the Quickcam modules again07:08
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Dr_willisdns server? or dhcp server?07:08
farruinnbob2: *-3 headers are available too though and apt-get upgrade doesn't install anything07:08
waseemgeppy: same problem07:09
wm_eddiego hoary go.07:09
wm_eddieapt is almost done07:09
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waseemBad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other kernel headers to use.07:09
bob2farruinn: well, install them07:10
membreyaGreySim: what happens when you ping a websites domain name in a console?07:10
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Gwildori just installed on my thinkpad T22, but my viewable area is alot smaller than my actual screen size, how do i re-configure my driver?07:10
farruinnbob2: obviously, I was just clarifying, thanks =)07:10
GreySimPings work correctly.07:10
GreySimResolves to the IP just fine.07:11
membreyaand in your web browser, what happens when you try to connect to a domain name?07:11
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bob2farruinn: heh07:12
waseemahh where did geppy go07:12
GreySimIt says in the status bar "Resolving host google.com...", but I just now noticed that after that it says "Connecting to google.com..." and hangs there until a time-out error occurs.  Maybe it's not resolution problems after all.  >.<07:13
membreyaGreySim: tried disabling IPv6 resolution ? :)07:14
GreySimAh.  Well, all I know is that I'm not very Linux proficient, and that the problem doesn't occur under Windows, but it does occur under Ubuntu and Arch Linux.  If nobody has the time to hold my hand for this I understand, it's just hard to search for help myself with a busted connection, and my Windows box dead.07:14
GammaRayGreySim: ping is your friend07:14
GreySimI have not.07:14
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waseemdoes anyone know where geppy went?07:14
Gwildorhow do i reconfigure my Xserver?07:14
membreyaGreySim: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla07:14
GammaRaydpkg-reconfigure ...07:15
wm_eddieGwildor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree?07:15
mud_or xorg07:15
wm_eddieor something like that.07:15
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GreySimDoh!  The IP address ping resolved to for that site doesn't seem to lead to the actual site.  >.<07:16
GreySimThanks though.  I'll poke through about:config and see if I can't find the setting there.07:16
GreySimThanks for the help.07:16
crazneyfor the love of god, can someone PLEASE remove bicyclerepair from ubuntu-desktop ?07:17
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thoreauputicgreat name for a package...07:18
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bob2it's a useful program07:18
thoreauputicbob2: I don't doubt it :)07:19
bob2not to 95% of people, tho07:19
thoreauputicI wasn't being sarcastic07:19
bob2me either :)07:19
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ubernoobdoes anyone use wireless with Orinoco? I'm trying to set it in monitor mode without luck :(07:21
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AnubisI have a new menu on my menu07:27
Anubisits a "debian" submenu07:28
Anubisdunno where it came from07:28
bhi again...short question:  is the startup.wav in Hoary working...Warty works fine for me but not HOary...07:28
Anubishow do I update it or remove or change it?07:28
Anubisworks in Hoary07:28
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bhi Tom07:29
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TomArayaHey b.07:29
bDoes your startup.wav work in Hoary?07:30
StoffBox-SteveGood morning Guys, thoreauputic you allways here or ? :)07:31
bHi Steve07:31
ubernoobgood morning07:31
StoffBox-Steve*....* its fu** cold here :(07:31
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bIt about 1:30am here07:32
StoffBox-Steve7:32am here07:32
membreyait's 33 degrees celcius here StoffBox-Steve :|07:32
StoffBox-Steve*grrrr * membreya * -10 here07:32
ubernoobStoffBox-Steve: where do you live?07:32
StoffBox-Stevegermany > Osnabrueck07:33
ubernoobStoffBox-Steve: well... try living in norway :(07:33
wm_eddiemono still doesn't work07:33
membreyaAustrlia :)07:33
wm_eddieWhy the hell!07:33
zenroxor hillbilly style in nowhare07:34
bDoes the startup.wav work in Hoary for others?  It doesn't for me, but does in Warty for me07:34
StoffBox-Stevewhen i can i give norway a try, lovely land :)07:34
ubernoobbut cold! brrr!07:34
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babout 10F deg here now07:35
EndGameevening hippies07:35
EndGamehow is everyone tonight07:35
zenrox41f here its a reagulay heat wave07:35
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bI got a spaceheater pointed directly on my back07:35
zenroxEndGame, just fine ubuntu hoary is worken no more tweeing is needting to be done07:36
StoffBox-Steveahh a hot cup of coffee :) someone else what some ? :D07:36
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farruinnAnyone know why linux-image-2.6-powerpc isn't installed by default? (warty ppc)07:36
EndGamezenrox, damn right.07:36
EndGameim watchin this ubuntu gig, man. im thinkin about suggesting it to some friends07:37
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bSorry Faruinn, I dont know about that07:37
zenroxthx StoffBox-Steve07:37
StoffBox-Steve:) NTN zenrox07:37
zenroxEndGame,  ya ubuntu kicks butt07:38
farruinnInstead of that metapackage I have linux-image- which won't be upgraded to later kernels07:38
bbut can you tell me if the startup.wav sound works in Hoary, because for me it doesnt07:38
farruinnEven with dist-upgrade07:38
StoffBox-Steveno thanks needed, zenrox07:38
Xenguyzenrox: I parsed that 'nighty-nite'07:38
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zenroxXenguy, lol07:39
=== StoffBox-Steve hate hoary ..... ^^ kills my system 2 times last week :(
farruinnOi, ignore that, I forgot I did a custom install, I must have selected *-3 specifically07:39
farruinnSilly me07:39
zenroxStoffBox-Steve,  thats part of hoary07:39
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zenroxhence = hoary = devel07:40
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bHow did it kill your system?07:40
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waseemHi my speakers dont seem to be working. I know it's not a problem with the hardware. Can anyone here help me configure the settings so that they work?07:40
daejavuppl do we have an ALL-In-ONE kind of a Media player .. one that plays MP3+DVD+Movies(DivX) ??07:41
daejavuppl do we have an ALL-In-ONE kind of a Media player .. one that plays MP3+DVD+Movies(DivX) ??07:41
StoffBox-Stevebut was my faul zenrox i run warty ... and what a dist-upgrade yesterday bur forgot have hoary still in the sources-list ... and than . it goes bad ... very bad .. but i very good installing linux > 2 weeks 16 installs *lol*07:41
byour soundcard is detected Waseem?07:41
waseemi dont know07:41
ubernoobi can't even install it... :( when trying to load xscreen or gnome, i just end up with a black screen of dead :(07:41
waseemb: how can i check that07:41
zenroxStoffBox-Steve, is this your fist time using linux07:42
bWaseem look in dmsg lists07:42
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StoffBox-Steveyes zenrox, 2 - 3 weeks ago > Knoppix ( has a recover ) , debian , gentoo , ubuntu :)07:43
waseemb: i just installed linux today so i dont really know anything im doing. please be patient with my ignorance07:43
EndGameeh, we all start somewhere07:43
EndGameexcept me07:43
EndGamei was born root07:43
bsorry dmesg07:43
SiliconViperStoffBox-Steve, mplayer is nice for that, but I would recommend two apps. One for music, one for video.07:43
zenroxStoffBox-Steve,  hehehe you sound like me 4 years ago07:44
waseemb: ok a bunch of lines of code07:44
daejavuppl do we have an ALL-In-ONE kind of a Media player .. one that plays MP3+DVD+Movies(DivX) ??07:44
EndGameStoffBox-Steve, you went from gentoo to ubuntu?07:44
bdo dmesg | less07:44
EndGamehow'd that work out?07:44
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SiliconViperPlease stop spamming, we heard you the first time.07:44
waseemb: ok i got to the end07:45
bread if you find that your soundcard was detected07:45
bif it wasnt, it would probably say07:45
StoffBox-Stevegentoo was just a testinstall .. what to larn more abour linux :) so stage 1 O3 install, but terminal crash after 3 hours .. bad bad i no time to try it again07:45
delltonyquestion on hoary which image should i use ? the default one or 2.6.10-3 2.6.10-4 2.6.11-1 ?07:45
balso, I would look to get "sndconfig" and use it for detect07:46
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StoffBox-SteveEndGame, for gentoo time i all .... many time ....07:46
farruinndelltony: if 2.6 is available go with that07:46
stujust installed ubuntu . . . it is great07:46
farruinndelltony: that will allow you to upgrade to newer kernel versions as they are released07:46
delltonyseveral of them are available thats why i was asking07:46
waseemb: there is tons of lines, i kinda skimmed through it and didnt find anything that said that the sound card wasnt detected07:46
farruinndelltony: I mean '2.6' not 2.6.*07:47
wm_eddiedoes xorg and nvidia play nice together?07:47
delltonythen i guess its no available then07:47
SiliconViperwm_eddie, it's sure working nicely for me.07:47
delltonybut that still doesn't answer my question :(07:47
zenroxwm_eddie, yes07:47
bwaseem , go to your volume control and see if it is working07:48
farruinndelltony: I would go with the newest then07:48
wm_eddieso if I just updated to hoary, I want to remove xserver-xfree and install xserver-xorg?07:48
boften that is the problem07:48
StoffBox-Stevehmm, i seems boss dosnt call today, Yeah ... freeday :)07:48
waseemwhere is the volume control?07:48
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waseemoh wait07:48
geppyI can't get gallery to work.07:48
bin the menu under multimedia07:48
zenroxwm_eddie, ya basickly as long as nvidia drivers are allready set up right07:48
waseemi see it at the top of the panel07:48
waseemits at the highest volume07:49
geppywaseem:  Did you get your QC working?07:49
waseemgeppy: no, even after i rebooted i got the same error message07:49
geppywaseem: ah, sorry07:49
waseemgeppy: any other ideas on how i can fix the problem?07:49
waseemb: the volume control is at the highest possible volume07:50
bWaseem in volume control look at capture area too07:50
bturn up stuff there07:50
geppyAny ideas for Gallery?07:50
geppyWhenever I try to open my gallery directory to install, apache tells me that I'm downloading a zip file. =/07:51
delltonyok this is what is confusing me the linux-image-686 in synaptic has a ubuntu label next to it. it says in the description this package willa lways depend on the latest kernel image. so i click on it right and it gives me but when i look in the list of images the latest is 2.6.11-1  so whats the deal?07:51
StoffBox-Stevewaseem, have you an onboard card ? look at the device manager for the card07:51
waseemb: i was looking in the wrong area, im trying to open Volume Control from applications but it isnt opening...blah i feel stupid07:51
DeviantI have a cdr/dvd-rom combo in my laptop and looks like ubuntu only reconized it as a cdr drive! anyone know how I can fix this? would be nice to play dvds.07:51
bis it working now?07:52
Chipzzdelltony: maybe 2.6.11 is not considered stable?07:52
waseemb: i cannot get access to the volume control07:52
Chipzzdelltony: last time I tried nvidia drivers didn't compile on it07:52
bDevient  ln -sf /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd07:52
delltonymaybe thats it07:52
delltonyso you went with 10-4?07:53
bif you cannot get access it is because your soundcard is not detected07:53
waseemi have a soundcard07:53
waseemhow do i manually detect it then07:53
bbut Ubuntu must find it07:53
bif it is not detected automatically you can use a tool like sndconfig  look for the .deb version through google07:54
waseemi dont understand, my sound was working just earlier. and then all of a sudden i have this problem07:54
waseemwell i rebooted then i had this problem07:55
bit was working?07:55
daejavuSiliconViper: thanks dude !!07:55
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StoffBox-Stevewaseem, did you install KDE or somethink else ?07:55
waseemkde, i dont think so07:56
waseemwhat is that?07:56
waseemthe only thing i installed was something from linux source, geppy would knw07:56
waseemwhile i was trying to configure my webcam07:56
StoffBox-Stevejust a freaking Desktop waseem ,)07:56
waseemdamn i feel stupid07:57
SiliconViperdaejavu, no worries.07:57
geppyStoffBox-Steve:  No, he hasn't.07:57
geppywaseem:  ha, no need07:57
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StoffBox-SteveGm saad07:58
waseembah, so how do i fix the problem?07:58
waseemthey dont have sndconfig in freshmeat, and i cant find a site on google with the file07:58
daejavuSiliconViper: have u used RealPlayer for linux ?07:59
waseemb: i downloaded the sndconfig.deb file, now what do i do08:00
SiliconViperdaejavu, Umm... that's proprietary, I try to avoid those whenever possible, and for RealMedia, it *is* possible.08:01
SiliconViperBut I have heard that RealPlayer works.08:01
SiliconViperCan't help with it though.08:01
daejavuive downloaded and installed it .. it works .. but NOT in all cases !08:02
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SiliconViperdaejavu, not my problem, really. It's not supported software. ;p And besides, I have no experience with it.08:03
MyNameIsChrisIf I compile xine and xine-ui from source, can I apt-get codecs?08:03
jdubMyNameIsChris: just install xine from universe, and get the w32codecs package from elsewhere (see the wiki)08:03
SiliconViperMyNameIsChris, you should be able to.08:03
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MyNameIsChrisBut I already have the source, downloading will take tmie08:04
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MyNameIsChrisI guess it would be better to download it, saves time in the end08:04
jdubit will also integrate with your system and upgrade when there's new versions available08:04
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AcidWolfwhat app would i use under Ubuntu for professional web designing08:05
MyNameIsChrisI'm so glad my smp kernel finally works08:05
SiliconViperAcidWolf, I'm partial to BlueFish08:06
AcidWolfBluefish hey08:06
AcidWolfis it on the apt list08:06
SiliconViperBut I hear good things about QuantaPlus too.08:06
SiliconViperShould be.08:06
SiliconViperI got it.08:06
AcidWolfare they both on the apt list08:06
SiliconViperBut it might be in universe.08:06
SiliconViperI don't know about Quanta.08:06
AcidWolfok ill have a look08:06
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AcidWolfaot-cache search bluefish08:06
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abelliAcidWolf: "Ha ha. I almost had you." :)08:08
MyNameIsChrisHold on, totem plays dvds with libdvdcss?08:08
zenroxMyNameIsChris, yes08:09
MyNameIsChrisNo need for xine08:09
MyNameIsChrisWhat do you mean technically?08:09
zenroxtotem dont play dvds for me08:10
zenroxxine does the best for me08:10
TomArayaI have a question, keep in mind I'm a huge newb. I'm trying to listen to some streaming radio, and it says it is for Windows Media Player. When I right click on the page, it says 'application/x-mplayer2 is required. I find something in Synaptic which is 'mplayer-plug in' but when I try to install it I get errors.08:10
TomAraya  Depends: libglib2.0-0 but 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 is to be installed08:10
TomAraya  Depends: libgtk2.0-0 but 2.4.10-1ubuntu1 is to be installed08:10
TomAraya  Depends: libpango1.0-0 but 1.6.0b-0ubuntu1 is to be installed08:10
TomAraya Depends: mplayer but it is not going to be installed08:10
zenroxall depends on your setup MyNameIsChris08:10
TomArayaAll the repositories mentioned in Ubuntuguide.org are enabled.08:10
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jdubMyNameIsChris: install totem-xine and dvdcss08:12
MyNameIsChrisHmm, when I click play disc, which file on the disk do I play?08:12
abelliMyNameIsChris: do you mean a with a dvd?08:13
zenroxTomAraya, its a dependicy prob08:13
abelliMyNameIsChris: there's no just one file..08:13
MyNameIsChrisWell I choose the disk and get a file browser, of all the files on the disk08:14
TomArayazenrox: I understand that.08:14
abelliMyNameIsChris: i dont really remember it exactly, but .vob should contain08:14
TomArayaI guess what I was asking is how do I resolve this issue.08:14
zenroxTomAraya,  your using warty or hoary08:14
MyNameIsChrisAs in Totem could not play 'file:///media/cdrom0/VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB'?08:14
abelliMyNameIsChris: chapters data, then there are 2 directory with audio and video data..08:14
zenroxTomAraya,  then i cant help ya08:14
farruinnWill/does OOo2 include the database module?08:14
abelliMyNameIsChris: ahh.. you mean, how can i play a dvd...right08:15
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crimsunTomAraya: please paste the output of ,,apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0'' onto http://pastebin.ca08:15
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abelliMyNameIsChris: actually ive never used it.. but it shouldnt be that hard08:16
abelliMyNameIsChris: what if you click on "play disc" in the movie menu?08:16
MyNameIsChrisThat is what I am doing08:16
wm_eddieok, so how do I get xcompmgr to work?08:16
abelliMyNameIsChris: actually jdub suggested using totem-xine..08:17
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MyNameIsChrisAnd that is the xine libraries for totem?08:17
crimsunwm_eddie: you execute it with some flags08:17
abelliMyNameIsChris: no its another media player08:17
MyNameIsChrisThen I will just install xine, I used it in my Fedora days08:18
abelliMyNameIsChris: mmm no sorry08:18
TomArayacrimsun, ok.08:18
wm_eddiexcompmgr -c -r 5 -l -5 -t -5?08:18
abelliMyNameIsChris: he mean xine libraries for totem..08:18
wm_eddieNo composite extension08:18
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crimsunwm_eddie: did you add a Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enabled" EndSection to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?08:19
MyNameIsChrisIf I install xine-ui and libdvdcss is that all I need for dvd playback?08:21
waseemHi I am having a problem with my speakers. Sound is not being emitted, but I know it's not a hardware problem. Does anyone here know what i can do to fix this problem?08:22
crimsunwaseem: make sure the necessary mixer sliders are unmuted.08:23
waseemi cannot get access to the volume control crimsun08:23
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waseem...does anyone ehre know what i can do?08:25
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waseemor how i can get access to my volume control08:25
crimsunwaseem: does cat /proc/asound/cards list your sound card?08:25
crimsunwaseem: post amixer output onto http://pastebin.ca08:26
delltonyquestion for .bachrc   to add a path isn't it export PATH:$PATH=$HOME/bin  ?08:26
waseemamixer output?08:27
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crimsundelltony: eh, you just need to uncomment the relevant section in ~/.bash_profile08:27
wm_eddieexport PATH=$PATH:STUFF08:27
waseemyou mean the output from the command cat /proc/asound/cards08:27
delltonyso what i typed wasn't correct?08:27
crimsunwaseem: no, I mean the output from ,,amixer'' (without the commas and quotes)08:28
wm_eddieremember it this way PATH = $PATH (self) plus : plus other stuff08:28
delltonyso its export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin ?08:28
delltonyok i always get the = in the wrong place08:28
delltonyafter doing it 4 times i'm almost there08:28
waseemcrimsun: i just post that in the website and then someone helps me out08:28
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waseemcrimsun: i posted it, do you have any idea how long it usually takes for someone to help me out?08:31
crimsunwaseem: I'm trying to load the page.08:31
crimsunyeah, I must have some routing problems08:31
crimsuncan't seem to pull up that domain08:31
waseemSimple mixer control 'Mic',008:32
waseem  Capabilities: cvolume cswitch cswitch-joined08:32
waseem  Capture channels: Mono08:32
waseem  Limits: Capture 0 - 308:32
waseem  Mono: Capture 0 [0%]  [on] 08:32
waseemthat is the output08:32
TomArayaWhat's a good media player besides XMMS which isn't working for me or Mplayer which i'm having dependency problems with?08:32
crimsunhum, do you have a usb headset or something?08:32
waseemno a microphone08:32
crimsunTomAraya: vlc, rhythmbox, totem-xine, beep-media-player, ...08:33
crimsunwaseem: so you're trying to record from it?08:33
waseemno but its plugged in08:33
martijn_sorry for asking n00b question, but where can I add an apt-get source :?08:33
crimsunmartijn_: in /etc/apt/sources.list, or use Synaptic>Settings>Repositories08:33
MyNameIsChris/etc/apt/sources.list or something08:33
martijn_cool thanks08:34
MyNameIsChriswoot, my first ubuntu answer08:34
martijn_woot my first ubuntu boot :')08:34
MyNameIsChrismartijn_: You are the first of hopefully many08:34
MyNameIsChrisMy second ubuntu day08:34
waseemcrimsun: any idea of what i can do now/08:34
martijn_another question, when I plugin my external hdd (usb2.0) it popsups all 3 partitions, but only 1 shows up on desktop :\08:35
crimsunwaseem: I have no idea what you're trying to do, since I asked if you're trying to record from it, and you answered "no"08:35
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TomArayacrimsun, thanks!08:35
waseemcrimsun: im not trying to record anything using my microphone, my speaker isnt working. thats the problem08:35
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cg0def_is is possible to use fam instead of gamin?08:35
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crimsunwaseem: you don't have any outputs according to amixer.08:37
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crimsunwaseem: only input.08:37
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martijn_upgrading goes by typing this right ? : apt-get upgrade08:39
crimsunmartijn_: you need to update first08:39
martijn_and then run upgrade ?08:40
martijn_coolies thank you :)08:41
TomArayaI'd like to try a linux game, are there any good RTS games that are free?08:43
StoffBox-Stevesomeone know what KDE package i need to control Fontsize in "kopete" ?08:43
delltonyok evidently i'm missing a repository somewhere trying to get my system back up again after it borked on me where can i find the w32codec package please08:43
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TomArayadelltony, I used ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/08:44
delltonyjust add it to the repository?08:45
delltonyor went direct?08:45
TomArayaYeah, I just added it into Synaptic.08:45
TomArayaApparently that's the one that people recommend for mplayer too, but I'm still getting dependency issues.08:46
delltonyyeah that was it i forgot about that addition thanks08:46
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TomArayaNo problem, delltony.08:46
MyNameIsChrisjdub: I got xine and dvd playback working, thanks08:47
MyNameIsChrisBut sound is really bad08:47
delltonyi know its common on dev release to have to reinstall but regardless it still pisses me off :)08:47
delltonybut hopefully ill be able to smoothly go to array 5 to array 6 but i'm not totally willing to bet yet :p08:47
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delltonyhey tom can you tell me exactly how your sources.list reads in regard to addition of marillat please?08:48
Mestaphelesdoes gnome usually use png for wallpaper?08:48
MestaphelesI just transfered over apple wallpaper.  I noticed it is jpegs but I', paranoid about jpeg so I thuoght I'd convert them to png08:50
Mestaphelesalthough I know gnome handles jpegs just fine08:51
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delltonyhere we go i got it08:51
Zotnixpng is supported for wallpaper08:52
delltonyGPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90708:53
delltony you get that when using marillat?08:53
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guruis there a way to prevent :(){ :|:&};: when executed as a normal user from taking up all of the system cpu time?08:53
scorpixi deleted the bottom panel, and add new one, and when i open any folder and minimize it, it doesnt appear in the panel, how can fix it?08:53
jdubdaejavu: that's just a warning08:53
jdubdelltony: that's just a warning08:53
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goldfishG SPOT !08:54
ZotnixNah. f-spot08:54
TomArayaI'd like to try a linux game, are there any good RTS games that are free that anyone could recommend?08:54
delltonythats a good questionw here can you find free linux games other than the ones that come installed?08:55
geppydelltony: Try the gaming forum at ubuntuforums.com08:56
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geppyTomAraya:  The strategus-based games are pretty nice08:56
ZotnixHmmm.. snazzy08:56
delltonyok will do08:56
Zotnix(f-spot that is)08:56
TomArayadelltony, the sticky post on that forum has a bunch of suggestions.08:56
TomArayaNone are RTS though.08:56
TomArayaWell, one is, but the game was very, very VERY dated looking.08:57
TomArayaPlus the controls didn't work properly.08:57
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zenroxTomAraya, install freeciv08:57
Zotnixnow I do08:57
TomArayazenrox: That's a good game, but it's still not a RTS though. Turn based.08:57
TomArayaZotnix, real time strategy. EG: Warcraft, Starcraft08:58
zenroxTomAraya,  or freecraft08:58
geppyfreecraft is crap08:58
delltonymaybe i'm overlooking something i see no gaming forum on ubuntuforums.org08:58
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zenroxgeppy, but it works08:58
geppydelltony:  try the search option08:58
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jeffolahey guys, when i try to boot x, it says something about Xauth fails08:58
geppyzenrox:  Only if you have pre-BNE warII, right?08:58
zenroxgeppy, hu??08:59
geppyzenrox:  I never really got into freecraft, once I found strategus (which I think evolved from it)08:59
geppyzenrox:  The original freecraft was only intended to allow you to play Warcraft II on Linux08:59
zenroxgeppy,  i only play nwn gold +hotu08:59
TomArayaI'm going to check out strategus.08:59
delltonyok here we go yeah i thinking it was a main header ok good deal thanks again08:59
geppyzenrox:  Ah, alright.08:59
zenroxits an awsome game specaly online09:00
zenroxits onole of the only games i bought09:00
jeffolaany ideas09:00
geppyzenrox: Is it a recurring charge?09:00
zenroxi also play croumium09:00
zenroxgeppy,  nope09:00
geppyzenrox:  Hmm... I might buy it, it looks awfully pretty.09:00
geppyzenrox:  Does it have LAN play?09:00
geppyzenrox:  That's really the only time that I play games.09:01
zenroxgeppy,  and it plays in linux nativly09:01
membreyahmmm will gaim ever have support for receiving webcam ???09:01
geppyzenrox:  I know. =)09:01
zenroxand does play on lan09:01
geppymembreya:  No.09:01
geppyzenrox:  mmm...09:01
membreyaGAH! :(09:01
TomArayaHmm, strategus isn't in the repositories I have. Any idea what repository I could use in order to get Strategus?09:01
zenroxmembreya,  maby down the road09:01
membreyadon't care about sending it ..but would love to receive it09:01
TomArayaGoogling for 'strategus repository' doesn't seem to help09:01
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geppymembreya:  There are some GAIM forks that attempt to provide it, but why not just use GNOMEmeeting?  It interfaces nicely with whatever the Microsoft counterpart is.09:02
jeffolahey guys, when i try to boot x, it says something about Xauth fails09:02
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delltonyerr you know something i really hate is the fact that k3b puts that kcontrol crap on yoru menu :( but if you uninstall the kcontrol it uninstalls k3b09:02
membreyageppy: cos that means getting the other person to learn how to use netmeeting09:02
geppydelltony:  Then remove the stuff from your menu...09:02
geppymembreya:  heh, yeah, that kind of sucks09:02
geppymembreya:  But that is your only real option, as far as I know =/09:02
delltonyits not so easy in hoary gotta find the right desktop file09:03
geppyit's two in the morning, I'd better get back to configging Gallery so that I can get to admin09:03
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zenroxnight geppy09:03
membreyanight gep09:04
delltonygood thing for dpkg -L so i can find the desktop files haha :) i'm slowly but surely learning this stuff ;)09:04
zenroxdelltony,  good09:05
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zenroxonce you learn you can teach someone else09:05
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delltonyyeah i try to help out when i can09:05
delltonybut id rather give no info than bad info09:05
zenroxme too09:05
delltonyhowever id make a gui for adding menu's to hoary which i hope helped out09:06
zenroxdelltony, we need a gui for dual montiors09:06
delltonynow that would rock09:06
delltonyi have yet ot get my tvout to work though09:06
delltonyman i seen this picture not sure where its out now but get this09:07
tuxJr_14hi zenrox09:07
zenroxi have 2 vid cards bolth nvidias and i cant get them to play nice09:07
delltonythis guy had like 20 something monitors playing flight simulator09:07
delltonyand they all had a different segment of the screen it was kick ass09:07
tuxJr_14heyrhett, are fedora's system-config thingies open?09:07
crimsunzenrox: asked in #nvidia/09:07
zenroxnow thats a good one09:07
scorpixi deleted the bottom panel, and add new one, and when i open any folder and minimize it, it doesnt appear in the panel, how can fix it?09:08
tuxJr_14we can get them into ubuntu09:08
tuxJr_14they're good09:08
membreyadelltony: why can't you get tv out to work ?09:08
delltonynot sure can't figure out how to make it switch the display is the main thing09:09
delltonyi plugged it in and tested and it outputs but its like its in pal09:09
delltonyand flickers really bad09:09
membreyadelltony: so change Option "TVStandard" "PAL-B" to NTSC09:11
delltonywhere in xorg?09:11
delltonysorry i'm not really familar with it to be honest09:11
TomArayaHmm, strategus isn't in the repositories I have. Any idea what repository I could use in order to get Strategus?09:11
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Micksahey guys09:21
MicksaI just installed warty via pxeboot09:22
Micksaand it's locked me out of root!09:22
Micksanot even sudo from the user account works.09:22
jdubMicksa: boot into recovery mode09:28
goldfishtried su ?09:28
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tuxJr_14TomAraya, try the debian repositories09:31
TomArayatuxJr_14, I'll check it out.09:32
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Micksajdub: I can get past it, bit is this normal behavior?09:36
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jdubMicksa: i'm sure you'd consider it unlikely09:37
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Micksawell, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root doesn't mention recovery mode09:39
jdubobviously something has gone wrong, so i've suggested a way to get into the system to fix it09:40
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monoxideis there a date set for the final release of hoary yet?09:40
goldfishor something09:41
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dolson_aren't all the release dates already set?09:41
jdubmonoxide: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule09:42
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jdubdates set before we even started09:42
monoxideohhh... these programers work to schedule??? :P09:42
dolson_every 6 months09:43
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heyrhetthow do i know?09:48
HarnakFor those of you ubuntu experts, how closely updated  are the AMD64 and the I386 packages kept?09:50
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cafuegoHarnak: let me see.09:52
HarnakThanks Cafuego!09:52
cafuegoAh hold on, my ia32 chroot is still warty, not hoary.09:53
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cafuegoDunno then09:54
Harnakthanks anyway ;)009:55
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deepsightdoes anybody has an external usb HDD conected to a usb 1.1 and hear music/videos from there without clicking?09:56
deepsighti mean click as in sound click not as in mouse click09:58
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StoffBox-Steveahh i go crazy, someone one who to save a website with firefox over more than one level ?10:11
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d3vic3http://img95.exs.cx/img95/272/mozillaadware4vs.png go go microsoft10:13
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Tomcat_d3vic3: Fake though :)10:14
d3vic3I thought so10:17
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marcin_hi - any network guru here?10:32
marcin_I got a problem with ppp connection - could someone help me?10:32
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zenroxok so i cant have dual montors then10:35
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pregoIs hoary's kernel patched for packet-writting?10:37
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MyNameIsChrisCan someone please verify my existence?10:40
lunitikMyNameIsChris: sure10:41
lunitikzenrox: you can, look into xinerama10:41
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MyNameIsChrisI am having some problems with my connection, what would be the ubuntu equivalent of service network restart?10:42
zenroxlunitik,  i have10:42
lunitikinvoke-rc.d network restart10:42
zenroxbut it dont like my setup10:42
MyNameIsChrisThanks again10:42
lunitikzenrox: maybe try tweaking it?10:43
zenroxwas talking in #nvidia and got help and it still dont work10:43
zenroxlunitik, its 2 nvidia cards10:43
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zenroxsingle head on each10:43
lunitikMyNameIsChris: of course, you can always just use '/etc/init.d/network restart'...10:43
MyNameIsChrisThat'll do10:43
MyNameIsChrisConsidering the last command didn't work10:43
MyNameIsChriszenrox: SLI?10:43
zenroxMyNameIsChris, no10:43
zenroxpci and one agp10:44
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zenrox1 pci fx5200 (pri vidcard) 2 agp tnt2 secandary10:44
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lunitikMyNameIsChris: gah... 'invoke-rc.d networking restart'10:44
MyNameIsChrisYeah, I got that on my own, thanks for the initial guidance10:45
zenroxpoint the newbies in to the right direction10:45
zenroxwelp off to bed10:45
MyNameIsChrisFedora pro, ubuntu noob10:45
MyNameIsChrisIt's not fair10:45
zenroxbrain is fried trying to get dual head worken10:46
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TongMasterMyNameIsChris, in Debian / Ubuntu, all services are in /etc/init.d/10:46
lunitikMyNameIsChris: If you are familier with Fedora... I really don't think its practical to learn Ubuntu...10:46
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lunitikTongMaster: I think he gathered that much  :/   he wanted to equiv. command10:46
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chasedoes anyone have a list of apt sources? the only ones i have are the default installed packages and im looking for other places to download from10:47
lunitikMyNameIsChris: I'd be using Fedora if I was more familier with Red Hat systems  :/10:47
MyNameIsChrischase: ubuntuguide.org10:47
deepsighthallou, does anybody knows if there is something wrong if i try to listen mp3s from an HDD conected trough an external cradle and it makes 'click' sounds10:47
TongMasterlunitik, I'm familiar with both, You can keep Fedora / RHEL and friends10:47
MyNameIsChrisI was told to try Ubuntu and I am enjoying it, I did have some very minor Debian experience10:47
lunitikTongMaster: Ubuntu tools can't compete with system-config-*10:48
MyNameIsChrissystem-config-* made life alot easier10:48
MyNameIsChrisexcept a few of them are very underpowered10:48
lunitikMyNameIsChris: indeed, but likely those tools don't even have a comparison tool10:49
TongMasterRH based systems are crack to administer. I remove them all very quickly from clients.10:49
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MyNameIsChrisDoes anyone use msn instant messaging, if so, is it currently down?10:52
stvn@i can't connect10:53
NicPworks for me10:53
lunitikMyNameIsChris: it appears to be, yes... error 10 according to server... no idea what that means10:53
MyNameIsChrisI cannot connect10:53
lunitikNicP: then don't log out for a while  ;)10:53
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NicPare u all using gaim?10:54
MyNameIsChrisI am10:54
MyNameIsChrisgaim = friend10:54
lunitikNicP: nope... kopete10:55
NicPi'm using msn10:55
NicPmaybe microsoft finally locked out linux users ;10:55
joeblowMyNameIsChris: I am on with amsn right now10:55
MyNameIsChrisI don't like amsn10:55
MyNameIsChrisThey wouldn't dare10:56
danielsi think the conclusion here is 'msn's working alright'10:56
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MyNameIsChrisAll my friends use msn10:56
joeblowamsn has the best support for things like display pics, i found that when new users added me in gaim i wouldnt get notifications, i logged in with amsn 20 days after i quit my old job and noticed that 10 people had added me and gaim had never told me10:56
lunitikdaniels: good morning/afternoon/night  :)10:57
MyNameIsChris"All systems are stable and running."10:57
TomArayaYeah, my Gaim has been connected all day, no problems.10:57
monoxideMyNameIsChris, i am on msn fine10:57
membreyai rebooted, and now my gaim won't connect10:57
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NicPi doknt know anyone on aim10:58
NicPi didnt know people actually used it10:58
monoxideNicP, all the AOL users ;)10:58
NicPi dont speak to those people10:58
lunitikNicP: where are you? I have one contact thats not on AIM...10:58
deepsightconnection refused on msn10:58
joeblowI only know one person who uses AIM, and they only use it like once a month10:58
MyNameIsChrisMe too10:59
lunitikNicP: hmm... maybe AIM never got popular there...10:59
monoxideNicP, noone here uses aim as far as i know10:59
MyNameIsChrisMS hate the Aussies10:59
joeblowIn Canada no one uses AIM10:59
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monoxideMyNameIsChris, ty very much, but im an aussie on gaim and msn10:59
deepsightThe .NET Messenger Service is temporarily experiencing difficulty. You may be unable to sign in. Please try again later.10:59
NicPi thought aim was 15 yo people on aol10:59
membreyadeepsight: where'd you get that one ?10:59
MyNameIsChrisOh, so it is just me they hate10:59
delltonyanyone know where on the wiki the informatino on installing mplayer is since the package appears to be broken. i had it working before but can't remember how i did it :(11:00
deepsightsame page11:00
deepsight http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx11:00
delltonyhey membreya11:00
NicPwhere are u guys from11:00
NicPin australia11:00
joeblowdelltony: compile it from source11:00
membreyamelbourne, aus11:00
MyNameIsChrisOh dear, I just set up evolution and realised it is downloading all my archived emails11:00
deepsighthere in finland11:00
monoxide< AUS11:00
joeblowdelltony: thats what i did and it works great11:00
delltonyok where about is the source files ?11:01
membreyaweb messenger lets me log in11:01
MyNameIsChrisWhoah, I just watched the status message change11:01
joeblowthere are also instructions there11:01
delltonyyou using the pre6a source?11:02
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lunitikmembreya: since when did MSN have a web messenger?11:02
NicPfor ages11:02
taner_hi ..11:02
deepsightages indeed11:02
lunitikOh... shows how much I follow them then huh11:02
MyNameIsChrisPoint me to this web messenger11:02
taner_i have a problem?11:03
NicPor something11:03
taner_anyone help me?11:03
joeblowdelltony: yes...it works fairly good on ubuntu....make sure you have the gtk devel packages installed, and then when you run configure on the mplayer source, type it in like this    ./configure --enable-gui11:03
lunitiktaner_: if you ask us the question maybe11:03
NicPhey i was right too11:03
delltonyok will do11:03
delltonytrying now11:03
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taner_lunitik: i do not mount hda7 from windows partition11:04
taner_i want media and programs at the ubuntu11:04
joeblowdelltony: i probably wont be on but there are instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org if u get stuck on something11:05
MyNameIsChrisBrowser not supported by web messenger11:05
lunitiktaner_: ntfs?11:05
delltonyi'm installing it now ;)11:05
taner_i write mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/media11:05
taner_but media is no such file or directory11:05
lunitiktaner_: yeah... umm... /mnt isn't used anymore11:06
taner_no fa3211:06
taner_no fat3211:06
delltonyjoeblow, by the way thanks11:06
joeblowno prob11:06
lunitiktaner_: 'mkdir /media/win && mount -t vfat /dev/hda7 /media/win'11:06
joeblowyou might want to install ffmpeg too   http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net11:06
delltonyif anyone runs across someone running hoary and a dell inspiron 9100 lappy please send them my way i want to know how to get that tvout working11:07
taner_thanks bro.11:07
membreyaMyNameIsChris: it still works :)11:07
delltonyffmeg? whats that never heard of that11:07
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MyNameIsChrismembreya: I will try, thanks11:08
membreyayou'll need to allow pop ups11:08
delltonymembreya, thanks for trying on that tvout thing but it didn't work :(11:08
joeblowdelltony: not sure, some kind of server software for streaming audio/video but it adds support for wma and wmv in mplayer if im not mistaken. the Mplayer website recommends installing it11:08
delltonyoh ok probably so bill and his buddies can prompt you for a password for those stupid ass drm files11:09
joeblowdelltony: i have it installed and i never have that happen11:10
joeblowit is a gpl'd program, it is not MS' program11:10
joeblowits development is hosted by the mplayer team11:10
delltonythose things get on my nerves i pay for content on a site and then download the files thinking its all good cause they say i can then after like a month or whatever it requires you to login to play the files cause of drm11:10
delltonyjoeblow, thats cool scratch what i was saying i'm thinking something different11:11
MyNameIsChrisgaim works11:12
delltonyi know one thing and i can say this for a fact, if you think you know computers you don't know jack till you run linux. it really makes you truelly get to know your pc well11:12
delltonyat least thats my experience11:12
MyNameIsChrisfalse alarm, sent password, died11:12
stvnworks now11:13
MyNameIsChrisNot for me11:14
delltonywell cool li click on mplayer and get nada i love it :)11:15
delltonyhmm gmplayer has yet to work on here oh well11:16
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lunitikdelltony: just use the command line tool  :)11:16
delltonyas in gmplayer on #?11:16
lunitikdelltony: no... 'mplayer'11:17
lunitikdelltony: configure via '/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf'11:17
delltonyfor the gui?11:17
NicP<delltony> i know one thing and i can say this for a fact, if you think you know computers you don't know jack till you run linux. it really makes you truelly get to know your pc well11:18
NicPthis is probably similar to the fact that in order to understand language it helps to learn another language11:19
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beezlywe used to argue all the time11:19
basculeit returns the fun to computing :)11:19
beezlyit was terrible11:19
deusx_hello guys11:19
delltonythats true but gives you a headache while learning :)11:19
basculethat is the fun11:19
delltonyand lunitik mplayer.conf doesn't exist11:19
delltonyeven after doing updatedb and locate mplayer.conf11:20
basculedoes mplayer exist?11:20
deusx_i got lots of previously downloaded packages backed up and copied into /var/cache/apt/archives ... how do I install them ?11:20
basculerun it off the shell, what does it complain about11:20
beezlyDeus: if they are up-to-date compared to your apt archives, just do apt-get install <blah>11:20
MyNameIsChrisgaim works11:20
basculeyes it is rather nice the gaim thingy11:21
delltonyhope this is not to big of a post but here is what i get when i run gmplayer11:21
delltonyvo: X11 running at 1680x1050 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" => local display)11:21
delltonyLinux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied11:21
delltonyTry adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.11:21
delltony[skin]  file ( /usr/local/share/mplayer/Skin/default/skin ) not found.11:21
delltonySkin not found (default).11:21
deusx_beezly, but apt-get does not find those packages11:22
basculeapt-get install mpkayer-skins .. ?11:22
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KirilisHi all!11:22
Kirilisi am new on Ubuntu and have some problem11:22
deepsightcomments on programming symbian on linux, is it much more difficult if learning?11:22
Kiriliswith Nvidia11:22
deusx_i have to somehow let him now they are there11:22
delltonyok this is starting to suck i must have a repository missing11:23
beezlyhm, odd11:23
delltonyi can't find mozilla-mplayer either11:23
basculedelltony: it was a guess dude11:23
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delltonyand i had all this working just fine on my first attempt of hoary11:23
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delltonysame array and all11:23
basculeoh mozilla-mplyer should exist |I think11:23
delltonyyeah what repository?11:23
bascule2 secs11:24
delltonyyou running hoary?11:24
lunitikdelltony: its in multiverse11:24
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lunitikI beleive for warty also...11:24
delltonyhmm hang on11:24
=== Kirilis :)
Kirilisso how to install Nvidzia driver ?11:25
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lunitikKirilis: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto11:25
delltonylunitik, you have the exact thing to add to sources.list by chance? all i see in terms of multiverse is the backports11:26
membreyaKirilis: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx11:26
Kirilismembreya: cant find i tryed11:26
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membreyaKirilis: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver11:26
membreyaadd some repo's :)11:26
membreyahas anyone gotten gaim to log in yet??11:26
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lunitikdelltony: the line that states 'universe' in sources.list... add multiverse11:27
Kirilisthx a lot11:27
membreyamine got to auth'ing then died >:(11:27
delltonydeb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse ?11:29
lunitikdelltony: should work... I don't usually have the 'us' part though  :/11:29
lunitikdelltony: yup... that works11:30
delltonydelltony@bubbabox:~$ sudo apt-get update11:30
delltonyE: Malformed line 27 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI)11:30
delltonyi had a typo in there11:30
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lunitikmembreya: look again at MSN status.11:30
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Skidanyone familiar with 1394 dv capture? dvgrab is saying no cameras exist, yet gscanbus shows the node, etc?11:32
delltonysomeone mentioned mplayer-skins where is that at?11:34
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membreyalunitik: what's this required security update????11:35
lunitikmembreya: who knows... hopefully its server side though11:36
membreyai don't wanna go to webmessenger11:37
membreyais amsn working?11:37
membreyabut again I don't like it11:37
=== lunitik ponders "install the internet"
membreyai can sign in perfectly with web messenger11:37
lunitikmembreya: cool... but even Microsoft says its down, so yeah11:38
membreyahow dare they provide a shitty free service! :P11:38
membreyai want my no money back!11:38
lunitikmembreya: gah... drop it... its old... you know whats wrong...11:39
deepsightif you are in the states maybe you can sue or something11:39
deepsightthen you get some money11:39
membreyatrying to bring a light side to it lunitik :P plus it's not old for me cos im outta here every 2 minutes watching law and order :P11:39
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deusx_i want to do some update with apt-get. i have all needed packs on the hard drive. how can i determine apt-get NOT to download from the web, but from my drive?11:44
Tomcat_deusx_: Put the packages in /var/cache/apt/ or something11:45
deusx_allready there11:45
Tomcat_deusx_: These are packages that apt wants to download, right?11:45
membreyadeusx_: you need to make your own repo file..or if you want to install ALL the updates you have in a folder just do a sudo dpkg -i *.deb11:45
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Tomcat_Because if apt doesn't want to update, the only way I know of is to install with dpkg, as membreya said.11:46
deusx_that's what i'm gonna do11:46
psfhello there!11:46
wellyHello all, hows it going? is it possible to install ubuntu using a floppy disc to boot and then the packages are found on a hard drive?11:46
Tomcat_welly: I think the best way would be to boot from floppy, then start install from cd...11:47
raghuwelly: use bootdisk ...remove bootloaders(grub)11:48
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wellyhmm ok.. that might work.. i'm having real problems installing from a cd.. my machine is pretty old (it was kindly donated by my boss) so i'm not sure if the cdrom is bust or the cd is burnt incorrectly11:48
wellybut i'm getting all kinds of crc errors11:48
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sleeperhow i start lirc?11:50
deusx_is it wise to run dpkg -i *.deb in a directory with more than 500 packs?11:50
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deusx_will i have to wait a year? :P11:51
lunitikdeusx_: sure... might take a while though11:51
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sleeperplease i need some help11:51
membreyadeusx_:  as I said ...if you are sure you want to install them all11:51
sleeperhow i use lirc?11:51
lunitikmembreya: they likely wouldn't be in his archive if he didn't want them  ;)11:51
lunitiksleeper: if we knew, we'd have told you by now...11:52
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sleeperok thx11:52
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delltonydang gmplayer just hates me for some reason even from source but mplayer works fine just no gui even with the enable-gui pass11:52
TomArayaWhat's the media player that starts with the letter V?11:52
lunitikTomAraya: vmplayer?11:53
wellysleeper, how do you use lirc? install it, point your remote control at a receiver and press buttons11:53
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TomArayalunitik, the one I'm trying to think of is only three letters. I just downloaded a wmv file, and totem won't play it.11:53
lunitikTomAraya: vlc11:53
TomArayaRight! Thanks.11:54
membreyadamnit lunitik11:54
membreyalemme catch up on conversations!11:54
lunitikTomAraya: mplayer > vlc though11:54
TomArayaYeah, I can't get mplayer to install unfortunately.11:54
membreyagaim works now :D11:54
lunitikmembreya: *cough* noonecares *cough*11:54
membreyado too :P I know you do ..deep down lunitik11:55
membreyayou're in #gaim ..how can you not care :P11:55
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psfanyone can help with one question? is there any relation between ubuntu and morphix live-cds?11:56
delltonyanyone make any use of this11:57
delltonyLinux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied11:57
delltonyTry adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.11:57
delltonyMPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: unknown11:57
johnnybezakTomAraya: i know your pain11:57
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sleeperwelly i instaled. How i point it?11:58
TomArayajohnnybezak: It can be a little frustrating to say the least.11:58
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sleeperwelly i instaled lirc with synaptic but i dont know who start it11:59
wellyi don't know either11:59
sleepermmmmm i dont find information in google12:00
membreyahmmmmm what resolution do people run their console's at at boot?12:00
membreyaaside from default12:00
maLKocconsole=terminal,isn't it?12:01
membreyaya you know what I mean :)12:01
maLKoci love ubuntu :)12:02
membreyaubuntu doesn't use xinetd.conf does it ?12:04
lunitikmembreya: it does12:04
membreyano wonder my hotwayd isn't working :P12:05
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lunitikmembreya: wait... no... it uses netbase-inetd I think12:05
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lunitikgah... inetd for serving servers that shouldn't be up all the time (for instance ftp..)12:07
lunitikWhat is that called.... this is gonna bug me  :(12:07
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membreyai need to run hotwayd at all times :)12:07
membreyahi sharke :)12:07
lunitikmembreya: you'd use inetd for that (xinetd branched from inetd due to disagreements etc)12:08
lunitikmembreya: Red Hat and friends use Xinetd, Debian and friends use Inetd12:09
sharkeanyone using hoary12:09
lifelesslunitik: debian packages both.12:09
lunitiklifeless: eh... if I recall, something that xinetd depends on depends netbase-inetd ... wasteful having both installed12:10
membreyalifeless: so if I add lines to xinetd and then hup it ...it will load the server?12:10
lunitiklifeless: one of the more brain-damaged depends imo12:10
lunitikeh... netkit-inetd ... but yeah... xinetd depends netbase, depends netkit-inetd ... annoying12:11
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klashnivI downloaded ubuntu using jigdo, the instructions to do it weren't very clear but I managed12:12
klashnivI would like to share my experience with others, where can I send the instructions12:12
cefthe wiki is probably the best place12:13
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lunitikklashniv: sign up for an account on the wiki, and maybe make a new page... or edit the one that wasn't that great?12:13
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sharkehello alex12:13
klashnivthanks, will look at the wiki, do I have to join or sign up or is it public editable12:13
klashnivsorry, question was answered12:14
Alex1someone can help me to set different wallpapers in each workin area pls?12:14
lunitikAlex1: can't be done afaik12:14
cefyou need an account for the wiki, but it's just a simple rego and get a password to login, then you can edit12:14
Alex1lunitik, are you sure? it's strange :s12:15
membreyahrm..installed hotwayd but it's not giving me the right logins12:15
membreyaie when I telnet it's not giving me the greeting12:15
klashnivanyone been able to download hoary using jigdo?12:15
sharkeklashniv how about a howto on ubuntu forums12:15
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delltonyanyone here been able to get gmplayer to work on hoary i'm having issues ;) as in no worky worky12:15
klashnivwill try wiki first12:16
Alex1i ask again: someone can help me to set different wallpapers in each workin area pls?12:16
lifelessmembreya: yes, hup xinted majes it reload IIRC.12:16
selinium_hi all, I have tried to update to hoary but now there are loads of packages in synaptic that are upgradable but missing files eg: libwxgtk2.4. I am not sure my sources.list is complete.  Any help gratefullly received12:16
klashnivhad always downloaded and updated debian isos using jigdo, is ubuntu going to use it much?12:17
danielsklashniv: jigdo works for me12:17
sharkeselinium try upgrading again12:17
delltonygmplayer hates me haha12:18
daniels(i build my own isos from my local mirror)12:18
klashnivas far as I can tell hoary still can't be downloaded via jigdo, unless someone discovered how?12:18
klashnivdaniels, on hoary or warty?12:18
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selinium_sharke: i will give it a go!12:19
membreyahrm, it's not loading hotwayd :| ...will keep bashin :)12:19
klashnivAlex1: are you referring to workspaces?12:19
sharkegood luck12:19
Alex1i want to put 4 differents wallpaper12:20
Alex1one for each workspace12:20
Alex1if it is possibile12:20
sharkeAlex1 not possible12:20
membreyagaaah why isn't it loading @!#!@~#(12:20
Alex1sharke, is it a metacity limit?12:21
jdubAlex1: gnome doesn't support it yet; it's something that, if designed well, would almost immediately be committed12:23
jdubbut no one's done it12:23
mjrwhat I'd like was proper xinerama support for backgrounds12:23
mjrat least so that there could be the same maximized image on both screens12:24
danielsklashniv: hoary12:24
danielsklashniv: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/jigit/12:24
mjras it stands, I've a 1280x960 screen and a 1600x1200 screen, and I can't use the human backgrounds properly :I12:24
danielsklashniv: and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-5/ contains a bunch of jigdo templates -- I don't see the problem?12:25
klashnivdaniels: templates are fine, its where to locate the actual files that is the problem12:25
danielsklashniv: which 'actual files'?12:25
danielsklashniv: do you mean the debs?12:25
klashnivjigdo downloads individual files and recreates the iso locally12:26
danielsklashniv: yes, so what you are are looking for is the debs?12:26
delltonyanyone have a minute to help me with mplayer please more specific what does this mean when running gmplayer Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied12:26
danielsin that case, it's just the same ubuntu mirror you use12:26
klashnivyes, the debs12:26
danielsfor me, this is /home/daniels/mirror/ubuntu12:26
danielshttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ then12:26
danielsi'm positive this is documented somewhere12:26
klashnivits not, at least I couldn't find it12:27
klashnivdoesn't http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ contain the old (warty) debs?12:28
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selinium_sharke: Is it worth burnning an iso of hoary and installing from that?12:28
danielsklashniv: why would it contain warty and not hoary?12:28
danielsklashniv: check it out for yourself at that same URL, it loads in any web browser12:29
sharkeselinium: i did dist upgrade from warty all ok12:29
klashnivdaniels: I will try pointing jigdo to there using the hoary template and see what it says12:29
danielsklashniv: that was probably worth trying first12:30
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selinium_sharke: Can you give me your sources.list file, I am not sure mine is right12:30
klashnivdaniels: its the method I used to download warty so I figured it contained warty debs12:30
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selinium_klashniv: both debs are there, read, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary12:31
membreyahmmm stupid question..should inetd.conf be executable? :P12:31
membreyafeel free to slap me12:31
membreyabut I can't get hotwayd to start12:31
membreyaand it's driving me berk12:31
sharkeselinium:# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe12:32
sharke# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe12:32
sharkedeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted12:32
sharkedeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted12:32
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klashnivselinium_: makes sense after reading that url, thanks12:33
lunitiksharke: why'd you comment one deb-src, but not the other?12:33
klashnivmembreya: as far as I know, config files don't have to be executable12:33
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danielsklashniv: yes, but that's why there are different warty and hoary jigdos.  the archive contains both.  as does the debian archive (woody/sarge/sid, probably still potato if it hasn't been kicked to saens yet).12:35
lunitikSomeone can tell me if XChat scrolls through tabs when you mouse over and use wheel of mouse?12:35
membreyalunitik: not on mine12:36
sharkeselenium: have a look here http://ubuntuguide.org/12:37
lunitikmembreya: heh... I just found it via Konversation... I think I'm too easily entertained12:37
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membreyahmmmm do you use netstat -lp to check if a port is being listened on ?12:38
basculenetstat -pant12:38
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basculesaves it turning up all the UNIX sockets too12:39
membreyagah why isn't hotwayd loading12:39
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membreyabascule: allows you to check hotmail through email client12:40
basculeoh that thing, what about gotmail?12:40
basculenever used it, haven't git a hotmail account12:40
membreyai wanna know why THIS isn't loading though12:40
membreyai have the following in my inetd.conf12:41
membreyapop3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/hotwayd12:41
delltonymembreya,  you ever got gmplayer to work :)12:41
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membreyai use mplayer :)12:41
lunitikdelltony: almost all mplayer GUI's are crippled at the moment (gmplayer, kplayer, kmplayer)12:42
delltonyok so its not me12:42
delltonygood deal case closed12:42
basculefix it delltony12:42
delltonyif it had boobies i might12:42
delltonythat would rock and yes i'm sick12:43
delltonya boobie skin12:43
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delltonytweak the nerple12:43
klashnivdaniels: its downloading fine, thanks :)12:43
klashnivdaniels: I meant hoary (using jigdo)12:44
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basculemembreya: does it need an /etc/services entry too?12:45
basculemaybe I am guessing here12:45
membreyabascule: already added12:45
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basculerestart the network?12:46
basculerestart xinetd?12:46
membreyausing inetd12:46
membreyadone a killall -HUP on it12:46
membreyaI can invoke hotwayd manually12:46
membreyabut as soon as I exit it doesn't do jack12:46
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klashnivthanks everyone, have to leave now12:48
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membreyahow do I make an executable so everyone can run it ?12:50
membreyachown ..what?12:50
basculechmod 77712:50
membreyaoh chmod :P12:50
jdubmembreya: chmod +x <file>12:50
basculeor 744 for execute but not write12:50
jdub777 is almost always entirely inappropriate12:51
basculeor is that 75512:51
membreyaand it's STILL not loading it!12:51
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basculeyeah 777 is for top level shared irs and that is about it12:51
jdubno, it is not12:51
basculejdub: no?12:51
membreyagoing to reboot12:52
basculemembreya: might work, but I doubt it12:53
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membreyashould the inetd.conf have  /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/local/sbin/hotwayd or should it just have the /usr/local/sbin/hotwayd12:54
membreyaI did a debug on inetd and it gave no errors12:54
basculetry both/either12:54
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djpHelp! Grrr!12:59
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djpubuntu is driving me nuts! is there anyone here who can help me!?12:59
HiddenWolfdjp, calm down, tell us what's up01:00
djpi keep coming across dependency hell!01:00
HiddenWolfdjp: warty or hoary?01:00
djpwhen i used fc3, i used the program tovid to create vcd/svcd's01:00
djpso far i have had nothing but trouble getting transcode, tovid, avidemux etc, etc to install!01:01
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djpHiddenWold: warty01:01
HiddenWolfdjp: have you been compiling?01:01
cr4z3dhey can someone help me with this..01:02
cr4z3deverytime i boot ubuntu i get a fatal error and it stops01:02
djpHiddenWolf: no i have been adding repositories to sources.list01:02
cr4z3dcuz it checks for my floppy drive which i don't have01:02
HiddenWolfdjp: debian repro's by any chance?01:02
HiddenWolfcr4z3d: what's the exact error?01:02
djpHiddenWolf: I have been using the repositories recommended at www.ubuntuguide.org01:03
membreyayeah! I got hotwayd to work :D01:03
membreyajust reinstalled01:03
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bascule? Ah well whatever worked :)01:03
HiddenWolfdjp: what are the errors you are getting?01:04
djpHiddenWolf: universe enabled, multiverse, debian-marillat and warty-backports01:04
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cr4z3dFATAL ERROR: no floppy or something01:05
cr4z3dthis device does not exist01:05
HiddenWolfdjp: are ubuntu-base, -desktop installed?01:05
djpHiddenWolf: one example... avidemux will not install because it depends on libartssc0, libasound2, libglib2.0-0, libgtk2.0-0, libpangol1.0-0, libsdl1.2debian, libxml201:06
cr4z3di can turn it on again and tell you if you want01:06
HiddenWolfcr4z3d: please do01:06
djpHiddenWolf: ubuntu-base, -desktop installed? sorry not quite with you?01:06
cr4z3dstarting hotplug subsystem...01:07
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HiddenWolfdjp: open a terminal: do 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop01:07
cr4z3dmodprobe: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/ No such device01:07
brainZzZi have such devices at home01:08
djpHiddenWolf: sorry, both are installed01:08
HiddenWolfcr4z3d: try to disable it in bios, then try again01:08
cr4z3dthere is no option for it in bios01:08
HiddenWolfdjp: good, then there's nothing seriously wrong01:08
brainZzZthere is no option in any of the display settings to make it that01:08
cr4z3dit's a laptop and ichecked for the floppy spot in the bios about 50 times01:08
cr4z3dthe bios actually sucks.. there's almost nothing in it01:09
HiddenWolfcr4z3d: most laptop bios's that way01:09
cr4z3doh ok01:09
djpHiddenWolf: is it that i cannot use any tools to convert to vcd svcd under ubuntu?01:09
HiddenWolfdjp: have you tried looking for those libs that it says it needs?01:09
HiddenWolfdjp: I've never tried, I don't know what tools are out there.01:10
djpHiddenWolf: via apt-get?01:10
HiddenWolfdjp: yup01:10
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cr4z3dis it possible to just stop it from checking that?01:10
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djpHiddenWolf: i believe that apt-get is trying to resolve the dependencies but the versions of each file it finds is older than the required file01:11
HiddenWolfcr4z3d: it sounds to me like you're running into a modprobe bug, but I'm no expert01:11
cr4z3dyeah.. i guess what should i do? i tried posting on the forums but no responce so far01:11
HiddenWolfdjp: which repro do the files come from? multiverse/universe or something else?01:12
selinium_sharke: are you still about01:13
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selinium_Is any one here running hoary?01:13
HiddenWolfselinuim_: check01:14
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selinium_HiddenWolf: When you upgraed, in synaptic, where you left with lots of Installed (upgradedable) packages?01:15
selinium_HiddenWolf: upgraded even01:15
HiddenWolfselinium_: no, check if ubuntu-base /desktop are installed, update again, and dist-upgrade01:16
HiddenWolfdjp: still around?01:17
djpHiddenWolf: hmm, i think i have just learnt something *blushes*, let me know if i am correct. using synaptic i can force a version of the tool to install. if i use a different version i can get it to install!01:17
HiddenWolfdjp: that works,  yup. there is even a force version flag for apt-get, which was what I was going to recomend to you. :)01:18
selinium_HiddenWolf: I have ubuntu-base 0.3 Is this the correct one?01:18
brainZzZHmm. Well, to be honest I think I have just been forgetting to open the IRC01:18
cr4z3dah.. damn now i have to go to school.. hope i can get this to work later01:18
djpHiddenWolf: it appears that if i try and install a latest, latest, LATEST version, it all falls apart due to dependency issues. However if i fall back and try to install an older version it installs...01:18
HiddenWolfselinium: version doesn't matter, just have base and desktop installed, then update and dist-upgrade01:18
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HiddenWolfdjp: that means that some goof in debian updated a new version, but forgot to upload the new libraries aswel01:19
djpHiddenWolf: i should have remembered the force command to be honest from fc3! i feel a right prat!01:19
selinium_Have done that twice now and I stil have the same problems. I only wanted to upgrade battle for wesnoth! :)01:19
brainZzZwe had a big laugh over that, but it's basically how i feel about it01:19
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HiddenWolfdjp: relax: fc3 actually has a dependency hell. With debian-based systems it's quite rare01:20
djpHiddenWolf: thanks for your help. i'm off to play. really don't want to give up on ubuntu as i like the distro overall.01:20
HiddenWolfdjp: good, no problem, and enjoy the ride01:20
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zzyberDoes someone know of an app to stream videos?01:21
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djpHiddenWolf: one last question, would you recommend sticking to the debian philosophy regards free software (ie no java, mp3 blah, blah, blah) or not?01:21
HiddenWolfdjp: depends: are you masochistic?01:21
selinium_HiddenWolf: I have run update twice now and still have the same problems01:21
HiddenWolfselinium: upgrade and dist-upgrade are two different things, you know that right?01:21
selinium_HiddenWolf: Yep! Done both twice01:22
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selinium_HiddenWolf: Update /dist-upgrade twice01:22
HiddenWolfselinium: then either the repro is broken at the moment, or you'll just have to upgrade by hand for those packages. either way, something happened that wasn't supposed to happen.01:23
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HiddenWolfcr3z3d: still around?01:25
selinium_HiddenWolf: Damn! What would you suggest to do? here is one erroron upgrade. Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>= but is to be installed01:25
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selinium_For audacity01:26
HiddenWolfseliunium_ broken repro, bad luck, wait01:26
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membreyahmmm is gaim-vv an addon to gaim or is it seperate?01:27
cyberixI can't get DMAs turned on. I have a samsung IDE dvd-rw drive and Seagate barracuda serial ata harddisk.01:28
membreyacyberix: have you tried hdparm -d1 /dev/hda?01:28
membreyafor your cdrom01:28
membreyathe SATA you can't control01:28
cyberix setting using_dma to 1 (on)01:29
cyberix HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted01:29
cyberix using_dma    =  0 (off)01:29
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membreyawelcome to my world :(01:29
HiddenWolfcyberix: sudo01:29
cyberixroot@jacknapier:/home/chikatilo # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda01:30
membreyagod..bitchx..there's an IRC client I havent seen in a while01:31
cyberixSo there is no way of turning the serial ata drive dma on. :-P01:31
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djpHiddenWolf: haha!! sorry, had to put our little one to bed. masochistic in the fact that without certain installs, web browsing and file playback becomes a barren past-time?!01:32
pnghow can i change console charset?01:32
brainZzZhey wat's the difference between a soft-mod and a modded xbox besides the fact that one has a modchip inside?01:33
selinium_HiddenWolf: I have found i have both libpng10 and libpng12 do i need both?01:33
delltonyany word on array 6 yet?01:34
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BockBilboim making a web server using ubuntu01:35
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HiddenWolfselinium: It's really not a good idea to upgrade off a broken repro01:35
BockBilboive installed warty in a custom (basic) installation and then dist-upgraded it to hoary...01:35
selinium_HiddenWolf: SO how do i go back?01:35
BockBilbocan anyone tell me whats the base package to install the x window system?01:35
selinium_HiddenWolf:  :)01:35
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BockBilbo(i want to install wmaker instead of gnome)01:35
HiddenWolfselium_: you can try uninstalling packages that you think you don't need, and see if they would take anything else with them. if so, you still need them. or you can install deborphan01:35
png_how can i change console charset?01:36
brainZzZneed some help: I bought my old used laptop from my company with WinXP installed in a customized version. I would like to un-customize it, basicall, reinstall XP fresh, but don't have the install CD. what can I do?01:36
HiddenWolfselinium_: if you did a dist-upgrade, you can't go back. Wait till it's fixed. :)01:36
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BockBilbobrainZzZ, this is not a Windows channel01:36
HiddenWolfBlockBilbo: xserver-xfree01:36
brainZzZBockBilbo: this is not about me01:36
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BockBilboHiddenWolf, xfree for hoary????01:37
selinium_HiddenWolf: You mean wait until hoa\ry is released of what, sorry very new to linux!01:37
HiddenWolfblockbilbo: xorg then01:37
BockBilboHiddenWolf, i remember that the package for that in debian was x-window-system01:37
BockBilboisnt there a package like that one?01:37
HiddenWolfselinium: you upgraded at a time when there was a dependency problem in the repro. In a few hours that will likely be fixed, so if you run update && dist-upgrade later, all will likely be well01:37
HiddenWolfbockbilbo: there likely is, but you can just install xorg, and all will be fine01:38
membreyais gaim-vv an addon to gaim or is it seperate?01:38
brainZzZ- let me love your bottom, and all will be as one01:38
selinium_HiddenWolf: Thanks for all your help! I will try again later. Cheers!01:38
BockBilbook, so just xserver-xorg and then wmaker01:38
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delltonyanyone know of a download manager for ubuntu hoary that works with flashgot?01:39
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HiddenWolfblockbilbo: should do the trick, yes01:39
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BockBilboHiddenWolf, thanks01:39
png_how can i change console charset?01:40
HiddenWolfbockbilbo: install xorg-common01:40
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BockBilboany of you know of a WIreless PCi card that works in ubuntu?01:43
acidmaxdpng_: dpkg-reconfigure locales ?01:43
acidmaxdBockBilbo: d-link dwl-520 (not plus!)01:44
membreyaBockBilbo: mine works :)01:44
png_thx acidmaxd01:44
BockBilbomembreya, which is yours?01:44
acidmaxdBockBilbo: the chipset is Atheros (ath0)01:44
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BockBilboive just boughr a conceptronic one... but doesnt work01:45
membreyabut I ripped it out ..I prefer wired :P netgear WG311 v2 (acx1111 chipset)01:45
BockBilbothanks acidmaxd and membreya01:46
cyberixNow that alsa has fixed sound problems in Linux. I'd see DMA as one of the biggest problems.01:46
cyberixSpecially to users that don't know anything about computers.01:47
brainZzZyou are one of the biggest liars here next to cyberix01:47
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membreyagah ..what's the command to remove something if you've make installed it ?01:51
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membreyaI give up on gaim-vv01:52
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housetiermembreya sometimes you can "make uninstall" it01:53
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housetiermembreya next time try "sudo checkinstall -D make install" which will build a .deb package. this can be easily (un)installed with dpkg01:54
trigx300does anyone know if its possible to config a boot loader to boot directly into mythtv01:56
duriankingI'm using vi to edit/view content of one file, once I exit vi, I'm not able to see the content any more in bash. How to set vi/terminal to retain the content? I'm using gnome-terminal?01:56
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BockBilbowhats the best way to control a linux system remotely?01:57
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BockBilbois there smthing like vnc in ubuntu?01:58
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BockBilbodelltony, does it include the server?02:00
delltonyyou running ubuntu?02:00
membreyahousetier: thanks for that :)02:00
Jug_is it possible to configure ubuntu to mount devices automatically when I plug them(mp3-player,camera) with hal,gnome-volume-manager?02:01
sjoerdJug_: that's done by default02:01
BockBilbodelltony, yep02:01
delltonysudo apt-get install linuxvnc02:01
Jug_sjoerd: at least it doesnt work for me02:01
delltonyor you can go to realvnc's website and download the server02:02
delltonyor tightvnc and download theres02:02
delltonybut with Xvnc what i have noticed you have to do the following to get the correct screen02:02
delltonyexport DISPLAY:002:02
sjoerdJug_: warty or hoary ?02:03
delltonyand then it will work02:03
BockBilbodelltony, so which one should i try? xvnc or linuxvnc?02:03
Jug_sjoerd: warty02:03
delltonywell i had Xvnc on warty not sure if it works on hoary or not02:03
delltonyi looked in repository and can't find it02:03
BockBilbolinuxvnc is on the reps02:03
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jdubBockBilbo: do you want to serve an independent session, or do you want to export your current display?02:04
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delltonythere is also this big thing called remote desktop in gnome that lets you run vnc if i remember correctly02:05
BockBilbojdub, i dont care02:06
BockBilbosee i want to have a pc without an screen02:06
BockBilboso i guess i want to see my current dusplay02:06
delltonybock is remote desktop what your wanting02:06
delltonywhat exactly are you wanting to do?02:06
delltonyrun applications from the other computer or what?02:07
BockBilbowell just remote control my pc02:07
delltonyas in what they see ont here end you see on yours?02:07
BockBilboi guess02:08</