[12:00] <thoreauputic> jjman: nothing
[12:00] <xaochun> ssam: unfortunately the box im trying to upgrade the kernel with has no network (thats why im upgrading kernel infact ;-) )
[12:00] <kent> jjman, stable system with newest gnome?
[12:00] <ssam> jjman, ubuntu get uptodate pakages
[12:00] <fgubuntu> jjman, there is a beautiful wiki page about that
[12:00] <thoreauputic> jjman: just easier in Ubuntu, I suppose
[12:00] <zyme> i will bake this hnome
[12:00] <foznot> jjman: i would say the release dates of ubuntu being the biggest difference over debian
[12:00] <ssam> xaochun, hmmm
[12:01] <jjman> well, can i get all the up to date packages in debian the same way i can get them in ubuntu
[12:01] <xaochun> ssam: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/warty/devel/linux-source-2.6.8.1 does that seem like its the one?
[12:01] <Vjaz> jjman: Ubuntu is targeted specifically at desktop system and supports less architectures. As a result, releases are more frequent and it's easier to use.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> jjman: if you are experienced with debian, stay with it - ubuntu is nice but you probably don't need it
[12:01] <zyme> how to install debian package
[12:02] <Libby> ouch, midnight, i'll try again tomorrow i think :-)
[12:02] <xaochun> actually i dunno even if that will fix the problem - does ndiswrapper require kernel source?
[12:02] <ssam> xaochun, id imagine at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[12:02] <Vjaz> jjman: Ubuntu uses apt-get so yes, you can upgrade your packages very easily.
[12:02] <thoreauputic> zyme: if it's a stand-alone deb, sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[12:02] <jjman> well im not experinced with debian, nor unbuntu
[12:02] <Libby> goodnight all
[12:02] <shock> n8
[12:03] <thoreauputic> jjman: well, ubuntu will have a less steep learning curve in general
[12:03] <jjman> but i dont have any blank cd's and from what i understand debian is the only choice that i can do an install from the internet
[12:03] <eclipse> hi
[12:03] <xaochun> ssam: thanks mate i see it :-D
[12:03] <S2K>  jjman you could always use gentoo...
[12:03] <ssam> :-)
[12:03] <RootsLINUX> jjman, can't you order ubuntu CDs and have them shipped to you for free?
[12:03] <zyme> hm
[12:03] <RootsLINUX> That's what I heard a couple people say
[12:03] <S2K> jjman, gentoo installs over the internet
[12:03] <jjman> i supoose
[12:03] <zyme>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[12:04] <jjman> dosent gentoo have a long compile time when you are trying to build sources
[12:04] <ssam> there are plenty of ubuntu cd on ebay for a few pounds
[12:04] <thoreauputic> RootsLINUX: yes, but it takes a few weeks
[12:04] <zyme> i thought those two worked with each other
[12:04] <ssam> or google cheap linux cds
[12:04] <thoreauputic> jjman: it's possible to install gentoo from binaries
[12:04] <S2K> jjman: yes, insanely long.
[12:04] <ssam> zyme i386 packages will run on any amd or intel
[12:04] <RootsLINUX> I've been thinking about switching from debian to ubuntu when my new PC arrives (next week) and I build it, but... meh
[12:05] <thoreauputic> jjman: I would recommend debian or ubuntu , of course *grin*
[12:05] <RootsLINUX> I hate the idea of not having a root account
[12:05] <S2K> thoreauputic: but that ruins the 'fun' of gentoo, plus #gentooers will laugh at you.
[12:05] <RootsLINUX> Just seems to "un-linux" to me
[12:05] <Vjaz> RootsLINUX: There is a root account. It just doesn't have a password. Just 'sudo passwd root' to set one.
[12:05] <ssam> you can turn the root account on
[12:05] <thoreauputic> S2K: indeed - since I run debian and ubuntu they already do ;-)
[12:05] <jjman> the reason i dont want gentoo is becuase i like the idea of apt-get, and unbuntu seems to be even more easy to use becuase of the synptaic utilty
[12:06] <S2K> and #debianers used to laugh at me.
[12:06] <Vjaz> jjman: You could just install synaptic on a regular Debian system if you wanted.
[12:06] <thoreauputic> jjman: half true - debian has synaptic too
[12:06] <foznot> i cannot get xmms or realplayer to even start now, any suggestions?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> apt-get install synaptic
[12:06] <S2K> foznot: you're not being specific enough
[12:07] <S2K> how do i enable talk on ubuntu?
[12:07] <foznot> ok, i run xmms or run realplay and nothing starts, happens, no error message even from the command line
[12:07] <thoreauputic> foznot: try running them from a terminal to get error messages
[12:07] <thoreauputic> ah
[12:07] <jesus_> I'm following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper but i don't have that package in synaptics.
[12:07] <foznot> i just did with xmms, nothing
[12:08] <thoreauputic> foznot: sorry, slow typing
[12:08] <jjman> so basiclly i could do whatever I wanted to do with unbuntu on debian, even install synaptic and upgrade all the out dated utilitys to the newest once like unbuntu has?
[12:08] <S2K> i installed ytalk but i need to enable messages for users...
[12:08] <foznot> it was xmms would pre-buffer and then not play
[12:08] <kent> hmm,  i pluged in my Camera in Hoary, and it seems that i cant unmount it from gnome since gamin uses the folder some how..  strange :(
[12:08] <S2K> kent: gamin?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> jjman: more or less - although the ubuntu gnome is more recent for instance
[12:08] <speel> ugh man how come most debian made packaged dont work with ubuntu? i mean common its based on debian even tho it has its own twist this is unbelivable
[12:08] <ssam> but debian does not have naked people (or are we bored of that joke these days)
[12:09] <jjman> lol
[12:09] <fel_> newbie question, when i download sources and there isnt any ubuntu download, (Videolan for xample) do i download the debian source then or what?
[12:09] <Jerub> fel_: have you enabled the 'universe' repository?
[12:09] <S2K> speel: ubuntu's packages are probably packaged separately to ensure the happiest user experience
[12:09] <ssam> ubuntu is very update and still very stable
[12:09] <fel_> Jerub, no i havent done anything.
[12:09] <mjr> videolan is in universe
[12:09] <thoreauputic> speel: using debian packages on ubuntu is *strongly* deprecated
[12:09] <kent> S2K, yes, gamin.  if i run umount from a terminal, it says it is in use of some program. And when i check with "fuser" it says gamin is using the /media/usbdisk.  And i cant seem to unmount it :(
[12:10] <S2K> kent: i've no idea what gamin is...
[12:10] <fel_> so i guess i should read about repositires then? i dont really know what that is.
[12:10] <S2K> have you tried force-unmounting ?
[12:10] <Vjaz> jjman: Debian's stable release is three years old. If you want more recent packages, you need to use the 'testing' distribution or the 'unstable' distribution (which might not be a good idea).
[12:10] <jjman> okk, so I have unbuntu.iso on my computer. is there any way at all that i can install unbuntu from my harddrive without actually haveing to burn the cd?
[12:10] <kent> S2K, its some sort of file-tracking thing.
[12:10] <Jerub> fel_: hold on.
[12:10] <speel> yea but its sad debian repos are suprior to ubuntus even the backport repos for ubuntu .. most apps are out of date and what not
[12:10] <ssam> hoary will have kernel 2.6.11, xorg 6.8.2, gnome 2.10, gimp 2.2.3 openoffice2 (as an option i think)
[12:10] <fel_> Jerub, , ok.
[12:10] <S2K> kent: try force unmounting
[12:10] <S2K> umount -f i think
[12:11] <kent> S2K, i did sudo umount /media/usbdisk -f  but it wont work.
[12:11] <zyme> how do i enable sci-emulation?
[12:11] <Vjaz> jjman: There's some information on alternative installation methods on the Ubuntu website I think.
[12:11] <xaochun> i hope i dont need any more packages to recompile :-/
[12:11] <Vjaz> jjman: I doubt they are very easy or very supported. :-P
[12:11] <Karlosis> Hi there, I have a plan, tell me if I am up for trouble.
[12:11] <S2K> kent: if you don't mind killing gamin... you could do that, too..
[12:11] <thoreauputic> jjman: I think you'd have to loop mount the iso - I believe it's possible but I don't know the details
[12:11] <Karlosis> I currently run Debian Sid (x86_64) and have added Ubuntu to the sources list
[12:12] <xaochun> speel: full compat?
[12:12] <S2K> speel: that'd be very hard, debian packages aren't even always compat with each other
[12:12] <Vjaz> jjman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Karlosis: you're up for trouble
[12:12] <Karlosis> Will Debian and Ubuntu be half-way able to coexist
[12:12] <Jerub> fel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801/view
[12:12] <thoreauputic> half-way is about right
[12:12] <jjman> thanks Vjaz
[12:12] <fel_> Jerub, thank you.
[12:12] <Karlosis> What fields of trouble can i expect?
[12:12] <Jerub> fel_: use method 2, 
[12:12] <speel> yea but ubuntu is based on debian
[12:12] <FEL> yes, sir.
[12:13] <S2K> Karlosis: that's like using apt and portage on the same computer
[12:13] <Yomic> ?
[12:13] <Yomic> What is that characyer?
[12:13] <kent> S2K, it just restarts and wont let me unmount it.  Im afraid that, since Hoary has had problems with vfat devices unplugged without unmounting, if i just unplug it my computer will crash :(
[12:13] <Yomic> character*
[12:13] <Jerub> speel: hi. until you've been a package maintainer, please, keep the anger level down ;)
[12:13] <S2K> speel: so? xandros and linspire are based on debian, doesn't mean they'll work
[12:14] <S2K> kent: sorry, i don't run ubuntu so i can't help with ubuntu specific problems
[12:14] <Karlosis> Well, so I better stick with Ubuntu only in my sources.list?
[12:14] <speel> i know just ranting :P
[12:14] <mdke> is it just me, or does anyone else get annoyed by the fact that the progress bar in gnome, when it gets further than half-way, makes the "time remaining" practically impossible to see?
[12:14] <kent> S2K, i run the unstable branchs of ubuntu so its only me to blame. But,  the computer did not crash when i unplugged the camera, so im happy now.
[12:14] <Karlosis> I am avid of KDE, does Ubuntu have something like it in "multiverse" ?
[12:14] <mdke> yep
[12:14] <mdke> Karlosis, kde itself
[12:15] <mdke> maybe universe
[12:15] <Deviant> how does one swtch to KDE
[12:15] <S2K> Karlosis: kde hurts my brain, too many things to click
[12:15] <mdke> apt-get install kde
[12:15] <Karlosis> really, I always thought Ubuntu was Gnome only, this is good news
[12:15] <S2K> Deviant: just install kde and set your desktop manager to use it
[12:15] <mdke> meh
[12:15] <njan> Karlosis, it's in universe, it's just not officially supported.
[12:15] <FEL> Jerub, i tried to edit the file with nano but it says i cannot write to it.
[12:15] <Karlosis> S2K: I do trim it down to where there is only things that I actually ever click
[12:16] <Karlosis> So I wouldn't need to keep Debian in my sources.list for that reason
[12:16] <S2K> Karlosis: ahh, that makes sense
[12:16] <mdke> has anyone else noticed that thing about the time remaining in dialogues in gnome? Or is it just my theme or something?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> Karlosis: the ubuntu repositories contain essentially everything the debian ones contain
[12:17] <Jerub> FEL: use sudo to do it.
[12:17] <Jerub> FEL: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:17] <Karlosis> I see.... if un-supported, more or less a recompile with -ubuntu build depends
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Karlosis: if you enable the universe and multiverse repositories you'll find almost everything
[12:17] <Ex-Cyber> how can I reinitialize video if X locks up and I have to kill it via sysrq?
[12:17] <jesus_> is it normal tat when i open synaptics package stuff the "ndiswrapper-tools" aren't listed?
[12:17] <FEL> Jerub, , thanks again.
[12:17] <Karlosis> That's great... Ok, then I guess it's time to switch :)
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Karlosis: only the restricted formats/unfree stuff is tricky - just as with debian
[12:18] <jjman> Vjaz on those sites, installing from a knopix live cd
[12:18] <Jerub> Ex-Cyber: /etc/init.d/gdm start
[12:18] <mdke> jesus_, maybe its in non-free
[12:18] <jjman> Vjaz does it download unbuntu from the internet, or do i need to have a copy on my network or something to that effect?
[12:18] <Ex-Cyber> Jerub: I think I tried that, didn't seem to get much done
[12:18] <Karlosis> nod thoreauputic
[12:18] <Karlosis> I don't like non-free stuff at all
[12:18] <S2K> anybody know how to enable user-to-user messages so 'write' and 'talk' work?
[12:18] <mdke> jesus_, actually its in the normal repository
[12:18] <Jerub> Ex-Cyber: ps auxw | grep gdm
[12:18] <Vjaz> jjman: I have no idea.
[12:18] <Jerub> Ex-Cyber: see if it's still running.
[12:18] <Karlosis> Does Unbuntu do amd64 just like Debian does?
[12:19] <Jerub> Karlosis: yes.
[12:19] <mdke> jesus_, ndiswrapper-utils
[12:19] <Karlosis> I mean no lib64 sh... fine things
[12:19] <Ex-Cyber> Jerub: that doesn't really work when I'm in the aforementioned situation
[12:19] <Karlosis> What they call pure64 I mean.
[12:19] <Ex-Cyber> but I've tried stop and force-reload as well
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Karlosis: there's an AMD64 version and a ppc version
[12:19] <Karlosis> I mean, will it be compatible to my machine
[12:19] <thoreauputic> I'm running both i386 and ppc version
[12:20] <Karlosis> You see, I am not going to install something new... unless I buy a new machine :p
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Karlosis: that's up to you then ;)
[12:20] <Karlosis> With Debian based things, you can normally switch easily
[12:20] <FEL> Jerub, ok i've completed the steps but what do i do now? :P I still haven't got vlc.
[12:20] <Karlosis> ok, when will Ubuntu release :p
[12:20] <Jerub> FEL: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install
[12:20] <Jerub> vlc
[12:20] <thoreauputic> hoary in april
[12:21] <FEL> aaha apt-get INSTALL .. i just tried apt-get vlc.
[12:21] <mdke> first release last october
[12:21] <thoreauputic> every 6 months
[12:21] <zyme> ubuntu is full of broken promises :(
[12:21] <Ex-Cyber> I would love ubuntu if I didn't get stupid GLX lockups
[12:21] <mdke> hi zyme
[12:21] <thoreauputic> zyme: such as?
[12:21] <zenrox> may 4th right
[12:21] <Ex-Cyber> but I don't think those can be blamed on Ubuntu as such, it's just that it kind of limits my choices in diagnosing it
[12:21] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, you can fix em
[12:21] <zyme> lol i just cant get anything to work like it says it should
[12:22] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: that's news to me
[12:22] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, linux takes a little bit of extra effort sometimes
[12:22] <FEL> Jerub, no it says alot of stuff about dependencies
[12:22] <mdke> but it pays to stick with a distro
[12:22] <Karlosis> I just wanted to ask my all-time Debian question, thoreauputic
[12:22] <zenrox> and the extra work pays off
[12:22] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: I know, I was running Slackware 8 years ago
[12:22] <mdke> heh
[12:23] <mdke> until now?
[12:23] <Ex-Cyber> nah, I've been through several distros
[12:23] <mdke> hmm
[12:23] <mdke> well if it worked on others, then you can definitely fix it
[12:23] <Jerub> FEL: okay, try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" first.
[12:23] <Jerub> FEL: that will install a large number of packages probably.
[12:24] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: the problem first developed in Gentoo; I think it's connected to DRM
[12:24] <FEL> Jerub, ok i'll give it a shoot
[12:24] <FEL> err, a try.
[12:24] <Jerub> Ex-Cyber: 'shot'.
[12:24] <Jerub> sorry, Fel.
[12:24] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: I would say it's a hardware problem except that I don't get it under Win2K at all
[12:24] <Karlosis> Will xorg autoconfigure?
[12:25] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, card?
[12:25] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: Radeon 8500
[12:25] <FEL> Jerub, it said no packages were installed.
[12:25] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, i take it you've searched the net and bugzillas and such?
[12:25] <zyme> i give up, time for windows xp
[12:25] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, are you running xfree?
[12:25] <mdke> zyme, noooooooooo
[12:25] <Jerub> FEL: okay, I'm confused as to why you're getting dependancy problems. can you paste the output of "sudo apt-get install vlc" into rafb.net/paste for me?
[12:25] <mdke> zyme, tell us your problems
[12:25] <FEL> Jerub, i could but its in swedish :\
[12:26] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: not entirely sure which things to search beyond lkml and xorg mailing lists, but the only thing I found that seemed relevant at all was supposed to have been fixed in September
[12:26] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: xorg
[12:26] <Ex-Cyber> but I got the same problem with xfree
[12:26] <mdke> hmm
[12:26] <zyme> it says i should enable scsi emulation and to look at the manual for it, so i do and the manual tells me that i dont need to enable scsi emulation, so i look somewhere else and it says to use edit some module file so i read on how to do that and open the man pages for it and it tells me to delete the command
[12:26] <foznot> \
[12:26] <zyme> its so ridiculous
[12:27] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, are you running your own kernel?
[12:27] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: nope
[12:27] <mdke> hmm
[12:27] <FEL> Jerub, here's the output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/afRzoa31.html
[12:27] <thoreauputic> zyme: cdrecord issues?
[12:27] <mdke> oh
[12:27] <mdke> he's left
[12:27] <mdke> damn
[12:27] <jesus_> I have ndiswrapper installed and I have the windows XP .inf file, but i get parse errors when i type ndiswrapper -i bla.inf
[12:27] <thoreauputic> ah well
[12:27] <jesus_> and even so, what's the use of an .inf file?
[12:28] <jesus_> the .inf file isn't the driver, right?
[12:28] <mdke> might be
[12:28] <chillywilly> jesus_: hello Lord
[12:28] <Jerub> FEL: hmm. there's definately something wrong. you didn't comment out the 'normal' repositories when you uncommented the universe ones did you?
[12:29] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: this has kind of been a hair-pulling problem for a while... originally it seemed that the card was overheating or something
[12:29] <FEL> Jerub, no here's the two i commented out:
[12:29] <FEL> http://rafb.net/paste/results/afRzoa31.html
[12:29] <FEL> oops
[12:29] <Viper12> anyone else have any problems in a 'clean' hoary install with totem movie player failing to start with a 'resource busy or not available'????
[12:29] <FEL>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[12:29] <FEL>  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[12:29] <Ex-Cyber> I got extremely slow (worse than what I would expect from VESA) 2D drawing
[12:29] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, sounds bizarre
[12:29] <Ex-Cyber> until I cleaned out the fansink
[12:29] <mdke> its not an unusual card is it
[12:29] <Ex-Cyber> but I think the GLX lockups are unrelated
[12:29] <Karlosis> What is this: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[12:29] <Ex-Cyber> because they're too consistent and I can't get them to occur with glxgears
[12:30] <Karlosis> I get it when installing gimp-python
[12:30] <mdke> Karlosis, erm it might be a dodgy download?
[12:30] <Karlosis> before it downloaded
[12:31] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: the fansink looks nearly useless, but apart from that I wouldn't call it unusual
[12:31] <Karlosis> I upgraded to ubuntu apt, and it even removed the package
[12:31] <Karlosis> I have the same with eric and bittornado
[12:31] <mdke> Karlosis, you did what?
[12:31] <Ex-Cyber> it's a retail Radeon 8500 64MB
[12:31] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, hmm
[12:31] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, sounds like you've done plenty of research on the problem...
[12:32] <mdke> sucks
[12:32] <Karlosis> After puting Ubuntu universe in my apt sources, I upgraded my Debian Sid apt to Ubuntu apt
[12:32] <mdke> hmm
[12:32] <Karlosis> That made apt remove the packages, and now i get the complaint
[12:32] <mdke> are you following some kind of guide?
[12:32] <BrianAnthony> does anyone know the command in mysql to show the tables in the DB
[12:32] <Karlosis> No
[12:32] <mdke> Karlosis, i would recommend doing so for such a complex transformation of OS
[12:33] <Ex-Cyber> actually, don't xscreensaver modules use GLX?
[12:33] <mdke> some do
[12:33] <Ex-Cyber> I think I've only had a couple lockups with xscreensaver, even left running for quite a while
[12:33] <Pluk> xscreensaver-gl does
[12:33] <Karlosis> mdke: Well... I hope that Debian and Ubuntu are similar enough
[12:33] <mroth> hmm.. are there any programs in main that will burn a .cue/.bin cd image?
[12:34] <mdke> is it just me, or does anyone else get annoyed by the fact that the progress bar in gnome, when it gets further than half-way, makes the "time remaining" practically impossible to see? or is this just my theme? or can i alter the text colour?
[12:34] <mdke> Karlosis, there are guides on changing I'm sure
[12:34] <Karlosis> where should i start looking for (other than google), mdke ?
[12:34] <mdke> i'll have a look
[12:34] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: it's probably your theme, if it's there in default I think gnome takes that kind of problem pretty seriously and has a bugzilla category dedicated to it
[12:35] <kaos> How do you set synaptic to a local hard drive directory
[12:35] <FEL> Jerub,  thanks for your help but im off to winxp for a while :P
[12:36] <kaos> Does anyone know how to set up a local hard disk repository
[12:36] <Ex-Cyber> I'm contemplating Windows myself, as much as I hate to... might try Debian or FreeBSD or somesuch though
[12:37] <Karlosis> man apt-get shows that it's a feature
[12:37] <Karlosis> there is even --allow-unauthenticated switch....
[12:37] <Karlosis> Seemingly everything in universe needs that
[12:37] <wylie348> hello all
[12:38] <aeolist> hi there
[12:38] <crazydeb8r> Hey everyone...kind of a liinux newbie, and I had a question...
[12:38] <Jerub> FEL: just verify you have a total of 2 'deb' lines and 2 'deb-src' lines in your sources.list
[12:38] <crazydeb8r> and I have a crappy keyboard to boot...
[12:38] <Jerub> crazydeb8r: there's one 'i' in linux.
[12:38] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, i am searching bz
[12:38] <Jerub> ;)
[12:38] <mdke> Karlosis, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[12:38] <mdke> there is a section in there
[12:38] <Karlosis> thanks a lot mdke
[12:39] <crazydeb8r> Uhm, I hahve a Belkin f5d6020 wireless card (rev 2) and I hear the atmel_cs drivers are in the kernel, but it doesn't want to work
[12:39] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: thanks... I don't hold out a lot of hope at this point, but I'll at least wait for you to try if you want to :)
[12:39] <mdke> Ex-Cyber, i meant on the progress bar thing
[12:39] <mdke> sorry
[12:39] <saphari_> does anyone got  some time to talk me stupid girl through getting music of some sort set up?
[12:39] <mdke> haven't got a clue about your glx faults
[12:39] <kaos> Does anyone know how to set up a local hard disk repository
[12:40] <mdke> saphari_, just mention you're a girl and we'll flock round
[12:40] <wylie348> speaking of progress bars - has anyone here figured out how to get gkrellm to display hard disk space remaining with horizontal bars?
[12:40] <Jerub> saphari_: even if you're not.
[12:40] <saphari_> lol
[12:40] <mdke> Jerub, hush
[12:40] <Jerub> saphari_: have you got a cd or something with mp3s or audio on it?
[12:40] <Ex-Cyber> mdke: well, you're in good company :P
[12:40] <crazydeb8r> oh, you know he's right...
[12:41] <LinuxJones> kaos, you should check google for apt-proxy
[12:41] <saphari_> i downloade realplayer last night and don't know what to do with it,  and now i put a cd in and it plays with no sound
[12:41] <Jerub> apt-proxy - Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder development
[12:41] <Jerub> its in the package list.
[12:41] <mdke> saphari_, step 1
[12:41] <mdke> check volume control
[12:42] <saphari_> ok,  go slow ok :)
[12:42] <saphari_> its fine
[12:42] <mdke> should be a volume icon on the top bar
[12:42] <mdke> double click
[12:42] <Jerub> saphari_: do you have sound effects?
[12:43] <crazydeb8r> Hey guys, i know you're busy helping the lady, but I doubt she needs both of you...any thought on the wireless card?
[12:43] <mdke> lol
[12:43] <mdke> not a clue
[12:43] <saphari_> lol
[12:43] <saphari_> no sound effects
[12:43] <mdke> crazydeb8r, do you have a light on it?
[12:43] <crazydeb8r> yeah, it lights
[12:43] <mdke> cool
[12:44] <mdke> what does ifconfig tell you
[12:44] <crazydeb8r> at first, nothing
[12:44] <saphari_> yes sound effects
[12:44] <crazydeb8r> if I modprobe atmel_cs I can get cardinfo to recognize the card, but only after I edit wireless.conf, i think
[12:44] <crazydeb8r> then I can't pass any options to it...
[12:44] <mdke> hmm
[12:45] <mdke> it should all be automatic
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> i know.
[12:45] <mdke> what options do you wanna pass?
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> essid
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> i'm in a dorm...there's 5 routers
[12:45] <mdke> ah
[12:45] <mdke> wow
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> it'll switch between them without it
[12:45] <b> hi
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> it's the nerd dorm
[12:45] <mdke> LOL
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> it's called niedfeldt...we call iit nerdfeldt...
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> it's a happy place.
[12:46] <b> I just got my new Ubuntu sys setup and like it
[12:46] <crazydeb8r> b: me too.
[12:46] <mdke> did you try using the gui network setup util?
[12:46] <crazydeb8r> no...there's a GUI setup util on LINUX?
[12:46] <mdke> saphari_, is it yes or no to sound effects
[12:46] <b> how does that work Mdke?
[12:46] <mdke> crazydeb8r, you are using ubuntu right?
[12:46] <crazydeb8r> my goodness...come a long way since mandrake 8
[12:46] <crazydeb8r> yes
[12:46] <crazydeb8r> Ii am.
[12:46] <mdke> crazydeb8r, what version?
[12:47] <saphari_> i heard a bonking noice,  does that count as a sound effect
[12:47] <mdke> yep
[12:47] <mdke> great answer
[12:47] <b> can someone help me with Mandrake here?
[12:47] <jjman> saphari your on linux?
[12:47] <crazydeb8r> uhm, Warty
[12:47] <saphari_> yes
[12:47] <b> j kidding...lol
[12:47] <jjman> congrads
[12:47] <crazydeb8r> the new one
[12:47] <crazydeb8r> I think
[12:47] <chillywilly> anyone know what the address 224.0.0.1 is for?
[12:47] <mdke> crazydeb8r, ok you can either edit the file /etc/network/interfaces or use the gui in the system menu
[12:47] <Jerub> chillywilly: multicast.
[12:47] <b> is Warty 10 the newest one?
[12:48] <mdke> shhh
[12:48] <Jerub> b: warty was released in october last year. so yes. warty 10 is the newest one.
[12:48] <saphari_> this is all new to me,  you folks will see me here a lot,  hope that's ok
[12:48] <b> Is it the newest Ubuntu?
[12:48] <zenrox> saphari_,  hang out and learn
[12:49] <Jerub> b: it is the most recently released ubuntu
[12:49] <zenrox> saphari_, www.ubuntuguide.org and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki for info
[12:49] <saphari_> it is like cats talking you know,  i don't understand to i get to it
[12:49] <statico> anybody heard of the i2c-keywest module?
[12:49] <b> thanks, I just got it setup and updated through synaptic...seems to work good so far
[12:49] <jjman> saphari are you hot
[12:49] <jjman> j/k
[12:49] <jjman> lol
[12:50] <Karlosis> Is there something like testing in Ubuntu, i.e. a link that will be moved from warty -> hoary -> next?
[12:50] <saphari_> omg,   lmao,   are you nuts?
[12:50] <mdke> Karlosis, yes
[12:50] <jjman> i bet you are :P
[12:50] <mdke> lol
[12:50] <Karlosis> how is it called mdke?
[12:50] <crazydeb8r> jjman: breathe dude. it's a lady.
[12:50] <Pinguvin> i only get sounds in xine, totem, vlc etc when i start the programs from a terminal.. why?
[12:50] <mdke> Karlosis, right now it is hoary
[12:50] <mdke> crazydeb8r, lol
[12:51] <saphari_> do not lady's come in here?
[12:51] <mdke> yeah
[12:51] <Karlosis> but well, what should i put in my sources.list if i want to be always on the latest?
[12:51] <b> any suggestions for optimizing Ubuntu?
[12:51] <crazydeb8r> okay saphari_: they do occasionally
[12:51] <jjman> im just kidding saphari please excuse my rudeness
[12:51] <crazydeb8r> but not as much as nerdy guys
[12:51] <saphari_> its ok,  i like all the attention,  lol
[12:51] <mdke> Karlosis, why do you want to be?
[12:52] <Jerub> b: put it in a machine near a window.
[12:52] <thoreauputic> saphari_: pay no attention - some people here have a bad case of testosterone poisoning ;-)
[12:52] <mdke> b, it is already pretty aggressively optimised
[12:52] <b> lol
[12:52] <Karlosis> mdke: Because I like progress :p
[12:52] <crazydeb8r> lol thoreauputic
[12:52] <saphari_> see i want to know something about computers my brother doesn't
[12:52] <saphari_> he uses windows
[12:52] <mdke> Karlosis, well you have to change each time they do
[12:52] <b> I was able to set it up to do everything faily quickly
[12:53] <jjman> leraning linux takes alot out of ya
[12:53] <jjman> lol
[12:53] <crazydeb8r> saphari_, i admire you greatly for that.
[12:53] <jjman> no its fun actually
[12:53] <saphari_> i want to learn it all
[12:53] <crazydeb8r> alright!
[12:53] <saphari_> i know i will in time
[12:53] <Viper12> again:
[12:53] <Jerub> saphari_: have you discovered the ubuntu wiki yet?
[12:53] <Viper12> again:
[12:53] <Viper12> again:
[12:53] <saphari_> lol
[12:53] <Viper12> sorry. lol
[12:53] <jjman> are you interested in programming?
[12:53] <saphari_> i don't know
[12:54] <mdke> saphari_, the links in the channel topic are really good. the guide is very good for getting things working
[12:54] <JDahl> jjman, learning any OS takes effort - people sometimes forget just how clueless they were when they unpacked their first computer
[12:54] <saphari_> got to learn rhis first just got it installed last night
[12:54] <crazydeb8r> saphari_: you picked the right distribution (ubuntu) to learn.
[12:54] <Viper12> totem movie player telling me 'resource busy or not available'......fresh hoary install, all updates complete.  haven't seen this before.  any ideas?
[12:54] <jjman> well linux is better than windows in alot of ways, you probally have spyware and other junk on your windows box...going to linux simply removes all the clutter
[12:55] <mdke> not for long
[12:55] <mdke> soon linux will dominate the world
[12:55] <jjman> and once you learn the basics you can be much more productive as to what you wana do wit linux
[12:55] <mdke> then people will write spyware for linux
[12:55] <Jerub> saphari_: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ may help you. :)
[12:55] <Jerub> mdke: yes, but if it means I have to apt-get security-update every night, its a small price to pay.
[12:56] <jjman> right but at least the spyware wont be able to get more than adminsteror privilages like it does in windows
[12:56] <thoreauputic> mdke: this is a bit of a myth: writing spyware for any *nix is seriously difficult
[12:56] <Viper12> mdke......how is that gonna happen? lol......linux doesn't open the system to the world to allow that........you're reading M$ propaganda methinks. (no knock...but the system isn't the same as winblows for spyware and crap.)
[12:56] <saphari_> how do i open the link on xp-chat?
[12:56] <jjman> it would need to be a root kit
[12:56] <mdke> hey me?
[12:57] <crazydeb8r> psh.
[12:57] <thoreauputic> mdke: hehe :)
[12:57] <b> How can I get Totem to play dvd, I have installed libdvdcss and yet Totem just ignores it
[12:57] <mdke> thoreauputic, harsh ;)
[12:57] <jjman> bretzel you can always use mplayer
[12:57] <Viper12> Linux has more than 3% of the desktop market which is more than mac's user base.......but there still isn't any reason to even use an anti-viral program....
[12:57] <thoreauputic> mdke: no, there was a time when trolling was an art, you know ;-)
[12:57] <mdke> windows isn't that insecure, and yet people make spyware and viruses for it
[12:57] <saphari_> see i look away once and i am lost
[12:57] <mdke> linux isn't immune
[12:57] <thoreauputic> mdke: not alltrolling is bad ;)
[12:58] <crazydeb8r> saphari_, where were you as far as losing sound?
[12:58] <saphari_> can you pm me,  you guys go so fast
[12:58] <b> seems like I am being ignored... :(  Ubuntu=humaness
[12:58] <Viper12> mdke....no computer system is 'immune', but compared to the 'other' operating system, its like a bank vault.
[12:58] <jjman> b= you can use mplayer
[12:58] <Jerub> or xine. I much prefer xine.
[12:58] <saphari_> pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:59] <b> Thanks JJ  I like Xine too
[12:59] <Jerub> saphari_: learn to keep up.
[12:59] <mdke> Viper12, now who's reading propaganda
[12:59] <Viper12> uh.....jjman, that's really not an answer.  Ubuntu defaults to Totem, and he wants an answer in regard to that.
[12:59] <Viper12> mdke.......you are. lmao
[12:59] <mdke> meh
[12:59] <b> but thought why waste Totem
[12:59] <jjman> sorry viper twelve
[12:59] <Jerub> saphari_: technical help is best done in channel, more people that don't know learn, more people that give incorrect advice get sat on.
[12:59] <thoreauputic> mdke: right - I write a bit of malware for Linux, I send it to you and say "Please save this to your hard drive then run chmod +x malware-0.0.1-beta, then please type ./malware
[12:59] <Viper12> I use totem and it works frickin' great on twomachines of mine.
[01:00] <mdke> thoreauputic, i'm sure its more complicated than that
[01:00] <thoreauputic> oh by the way you need to do chmod +x as root for maximum effect ... hehe
[01:00] <b> but how to get Totem to read dvd?
[01:00] <jjman> bretzel i think you may need to actually point Totem to the place where your dvd libiares are
[01:00] <shock> i use totem-xine :) works wonderfully
[01:00] <Viper12> but my question.......was in regard to totem as well. lol....new build (hoary array5)....it refuses to start with resource error.  any ideas?
[01:00] <JDahl> thoreauputic, if companies started writing cool 3rd party packages for Ubuntu, I'm sure someone would install them
[01:00] <jjman> b-: i think you may need to actually point Totem to the place where your dvd libiares are
[01:00] <saphari_> i just want to hear music
[01:00] <thoreauputic> mdke: my point is, without social engineering it's hard to do on Linux
[01:00] <crazydeb8r> heh, perhaps saphari_ needs ALSA or something?
[01:00] <saphari_> not cause a problem or get yelled at
[01:00] <Jerub> saphari_: okay, we established earlier that your sound is not working.
[01:01] <Jerub> saphari_: you get no sound effects at all?
[01:01] <b> I will try that JJ
[01:01] <jjman> no, she does get sound affects
[01:01] <jjman> right saphari?
[01:01] <mdke> thoreauputic, i don't know enough about it, but i'm pretty sure it's not gonna be that simple
[01:01] <Pinguvin> i need some help here. i only get sounds in totem, xine, vlc when i run the program from a terminal.. why is this?
[01:01] <saphari_> when people sign on gaim it has sound
[01:01] <Jerub> saphari_: okay, so you've got sound.
[01:01] <crazydeb8r> what program are you using to try to play music?
[01:02] <saphari_> the one that came with ubuntu right now,  i said i dounloaded real player but don't know what to do with it
[01:02] <Karlosis> amarok
[01:02] <JDahl> saphari_, is it just some apps without sound? maybe some processes are locking the sound device. You could try "fuser -k /dev/dsp", then try again
[01:02] <mdke> nite all
[01:02] <Jerub> saphari_: http://www.somafm.com/ <- in your web browser, click on one of the '128 MP3'
[01:03] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[01:03] <shadeofgrey> whats the ubuntu equivelant to 'Program Files' in windows?
[01:03] <crazydeb8r> shadeofgrey, there isn't one really, whats the problem?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: there's no exact equivalent
[01:04] <OrangeSlice> hmm, /usr would be my guess :p
[01:04] <shadeofgrey> i downloaded a new text editor (EditPad) and have to put it into its own directory when i install it - and would just like to make sure i place it in the same general area as the rest of my apps that are in the same general vicinity
[01:04] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, /usr/local
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> okay
[01:05] <shadeofgrey> thanks
[01:05] <calamari> how do you like editpad?
[01:05] <Karlosis> what's good about it?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> familiarity I expect
[01:06] <shadeofgrey> its the best text editor ever written
[01:06] <Karlosis> what makes it so?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: hehe - "how to start a *nix flamewar"
[01:06] <shadeofgrey> karlo:  www.editpadpro.com for the full features list
[01:06] <crazydeb8r> hah thoreauputic
[01:06] <Karlosis> Looking
[01:07] <shadeofgrey> basical;lyu i like it most because it knows how to stay the hell out of my way when im writing code or working on stuff for my novels
[01:07] <crazydeb8r> I can hear them now..."I prefer straight vim command line"
[01:07] <OrangeSlice> nano is the best
[01:07] <crazydeb8r> see/
[01:07] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[01:07] <Nekohayo> nano powre
[01:07] <shadeofgrey> okay...  /usr/local/ doesnt have very much in it
[01:07] <crazydeb8r> told ya.
[01:07] <b> emacs rules!!!
[01:07] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! ed man! man ed!
[01:07] <Karlosis> You might want to look at Kate
[01:07] <OrangeSlice> emacs tries to be too many things in one
[01:07] <crazydeb8r> haha.
[01:07] <OrangeSlice> I don't like it
[01:07] <Nekohayo> hmm can I get some advice on a small shell script?
[01:07] <calamari> OrangeSlice: I'm still using nano 1.2.3 so my delete doesn't work :P
[01:08] <OrangeSlice> lol
[01:08] <samuell1> Hi
[01:08] <Karlosis> If you like the feature list of editpad, Kate certainly outdoes what's listed there
[01:08] <OrangeSlice> rarely enough that I have to open an editor
[01:08] <Viper12> was waiting for someone to say something about emacs. lol.
[01:08] <crazydeb8r> OO.o!
[01:08] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, that's how it should be... stuff handled by the package manager goes in /usr, /sbin, etc... whatever you compile yourself should go in /usr/local
[01:08] <OrangeSlice> changing a config is as simple as SED
[01:08] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: /usr/local is for stuff you install independently
[01:08] <ubernoob> Nekohayo: ask the question instead of asking if you can ask a question
[01:08] <crazydeb8r> wait...that's word processing...
[01:08] <OrangeSlice> bwaha~
[01:08] <Nekohayo> :)
[01:08] <calamari> I found Kate.. great editor.. very configurable
[01:08] <Nekohayo> #!/bin/bash
[01:08] <Nekohayo> rename -v "s/@/_a_/" *
[01:08] <Nekohayo> rename -v "s//e/" *
[01:08] <Nekohayo> rename -v "s//e/" *
[01:08] <Nekohayo> rename -v "s//e/" *
[01:08] <Nekohayo> rename -v "s//e/" *
[01:08] <OrangeSlice> ack
[01:08] <crazydeb8r> agh!
[01:08] <samuell1> Can someone tell me how to change from gnome to a different window manager?
[01:08] <Nekohayo> the problem is that it does not do the rename -v "s//e/" *   part
[01:09] <calamari> kate has the free cursor mode I was looking for, too :)
[01:09] <Nekohayo> XD
[01:09] <jjman> samuell1 wmconfig
[01:09] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: #flood, PLEASE
[01:09] <mdke> damn. no bed yet. Who knows how to view quicktime mov movies in totem with gstreamer? I have all the plugins and w32codecs installed
[01:09] <Karlosis> What I like about Kate is that is gives you a Kompare when the file changed on disk
[01:09] <Nekohayo> well that's all of it ! >_<
[01:09] <Nekohayo> that's _why_ I asked before
[01:09] <Karlosis> And of course, how the GUI gets out of your way :p
[01:09] <calamari> mdke: no idea about totem, but I got mplayer working with quicktime the other day
[01:09] <OrangeSlice> omg the K's... evil!
[01:09] <crazydeb8r> mdke, mplayer works out of the box
[01:09] <mdke> calamari, yeah i'm pretty sure mplayer will do it
[01:09] <crazydeb8r> i did it last night
[01:09] <mdke> but since ubuntu wants me to use totem...
[01:10] <crazydeb8r> as far as totem...mmm
[01:10] <crazydeb8r> good point
[01:10] <fsc> mdke, i just watch a .mov in totem a few hours ago. no problem. i don't even remember apt-getting a plugin
[01:10] <b> bet none of you can figure out how to use Realplayer with audiobible online...
[01:10] <fsc> mdke, i'm on Hoary
[01:10] <samuell1> :(
[01:10] <b> I have the secret
[01:10] <calamari> crazydeb8r: only out of the box if your cpu has SSE2 I found out
[01:10] <JDahl> thoreauputic, that's also why ubuntu offers to put /usr/local on a separate partition, so that you dont lose that packages you struggled to compile and install yourself if you reinstall linux
[01:10] <OrangeSlice> the gstreamer backend uses it's own codecs doesn't it?
[01:10] <mdke> fsc, hmm me too installed yesterday
[01:10] <JDahl> thoreauputic, that was for shadeofgrey
[01:11] <b> linux realplayer barfs many codecs that are commonly used
[01:11] <b> especially Helix blows
[01:11] <samuell1> Jjman: Where is wmconfig?
[01:11] <Nekohayo> oh well, sorry for flooding you off
[01:11] <shadeofgrey> okay guys now i need a little help understanding running apps that i install\
[01:11] <mdke> fsc, definitely doesn't work :(
[01:11] <calamari> anyone know when they will be releasing the latest firefox for warty?  I've been hearing oabout tons of exploits and so I want to stay up to date
[01:12] <OrangeSlice> latest firefox won't be in warty
[01:12] <crazydeb8r> mm, k guys...i guess i should haul ass to bed. g'night.
[01:12] <b> Shade I can explain it to you
[01:12] <OrangeSlice> you'll have to wait for it to be backported, or run it from your home
[01:12] <crazydeb8r> peace.
[01:12] <ubernoob> my fault! didnt know that Nekohayo was going to flood us :/ try to escape the characters: rename -v s\/e\/\/e
[01:12] <shadeofgrey> okay..  i installed editpad.  now how do i create the equivelant to a shortcut for it so that i can put it in the panel at the bottom of my screen that has launch icons for all my apps
[01:12] <Viper12> add the 'backports' repository to get the later versions of firefox.
[01:12] <calamari> orangeslice: so I have to download it myself then?  how lame
[01:12] <ubernoob> if thats the name of the file
[01:12] <shadeofgrey> because editpad is one that ill use CONSTANTLY
[01:12] <b> right click panel
[01:12] <b> make a launcher
[01:13] <calamari> OrangeSlice: who can I complain to about now bothering to update warty for security patches?
[01:13] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: just right click the gnome desktop, choose new launcher, put in your command
[01:13] <OrangeSlice> warty is a stable release
[01:13] <Karlosis> If you use it constantly, why do you need to see a button that starts it :p
[01:13] <calamari> now -> not
[01:13] <OrangeSlice> it is no longer updated
[01:13] <OrangeSlice> at all.  ever.
[01:13] <calamari> its not stable if there are security bugs
[01:13] <ubernoob> Karlosis: hehe
[01:13] <Jerub> calamari: ..
[01:13] <Jerub> calamari: 'stable' means 'not changing unless we have to due to security'
[01:14] <Jerub> calamari: not 'unbreakable'.
[01:14] <b> or, use nautilus, type cntl "l"  then applications:/// in command line
[01:14] <calamari> jerub: well, there you go then.. if there is a security problem why don't they fix it?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: for the panel, same deal, but choose custom launcher
[01:14] <b> see? I know a few things  lol
[01:14] <Jerub> calamari: they should. make sure there's a bug filed against the package.
[01:14] <OrangeSlice> stable is when development reaches a point where it "works"
[01:14] <Karlosis> Thanks to session management, if you run something always.... you never start it manually.
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> is a .xpm file an icon file?
[01:14] <calamari> jerub: okay.. I'll do that :)  good idea.. thanks :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> yes
[01:14] <OrangeSlice> yes
[01:15] <b> I like the nautilus way better, easy
[01:15] <Karlosis> One of the great advances on Free Desktops
[01:15] <thoreauputic> or a png or whatever
[01:15] <b> puts it in your menu
[01:15] <b> did I help you Shade?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> b unfortunately that only works for warty
[01:16] <b> ok, is he using something else?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> b, probably not ;-)
[01:16] <b> I thought Warty was the most recent Ubuntu
[01:16] <thoreauputic> b, so your idea is fine
[01:17] <thoreauputic> b, most recent stable
[01:17] <b> what is most recent unstable?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> b, hoary is what a lot of people here are running (development version)
[01:17] <b> is it available by iso image?
[01:18] <shadeofgrey> does anybody here run the folding@home client on ubuntu?
[01:18] <shadeofgrey> becaujse i ran it constantly on my windows box and would like to continue donating my PC for work on their distributed project for disease research and stuff...
[01:19] <apokryphos> b: yes
[01:19] <b> what are the advantages of Hoary over Warty?
[01:19] <apokryphos> It's a newer distro?
[01:19] <apokryphos> read the site information on hoary
[01:19] <b> newer isnt always better...
[01:19] <calamari> b: apparently they
[01:19] <thoreauputic> b, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> thats something very close to my heart since...  i was born addicted to crack cocaine and heroin..  as a result im permanently handicapped (cerebral palsy) so...  research to fight diseases and such are important to me..
[01:20] <calamari> b: apparently they've decided to stop updating warty.. so I guess you'll have to eventually switch if you want updates
[01:20] <apokryphos> b: with distributions on Linux? I've never come across a newest distribution that hasn't been better than the older one.
[01:20] <calamari> seems so much like windows..
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> ...course - there is no cure for CP - but that doesnt mean i cant help bring hope to other people
[01:21] <apokryphos> calamari: that'll be gnome ;-)
[01:21] <Vjaz> seems so much like Windows that more recent software is better?
[01:21] <calamari> wonder if there are any repositories that keep updating forever
[01:21] <Vjaz> it sounds like software to me
[01:21] <b> depends on your machine apok, new mandrake sux sor me , old one was fine
[01:21] <calamari> apokryphos: I mean having to get the latest version or be cut off
[01:21] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I know folding@home is available for linux - I don't know details
[01:21] <shadeofgrey> anyway thats more than any of you ever wanted to know about me..  but the same question still remains.. anyof you have experience with installing the folding@home client?
[01:21] <apokryphos> b: by all means, please check the site to find out whether it's suitable for you then
[01:21] <shadeofgrey> okay thor.
[01:22] <shadeofgrey> and thanks so much for all your help guys
[01:22] <apokryphos> calamari: It's not so much an issue of that. It just seems unreasonable for the devs to backtrack on old distros, when they could be making progress with the new one, doesn't it?
[01:22] <shadeofgrey> i wouldnt have gotten out of that damned and condemned world of windows without you guys
[01:22] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: btw it's Ok - interesting occasionally to hear something personal about fellow Ubuntu users
[01:22] <apokryphos> calamari: though, please note; Ubuntu officially supports a distro for 18 months
[01:22] <Vjaz> There will be security updates for Warty for quite a while after Hoary is released, so people will have plenty of time to upgrade.
[01:22] <shadeofgrey> ...and for as stupid as it may sound i was really desperate to get away from windows....
[01:23] <calamari> apokryphos: oh, I don't mean it that way.. go ahead and make the new distro.. but I'd still like to be able to update and get new packages, even if I'm on warty
[01:23] <saphari_> i still can't get sound to play for music
[01:23] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I understand *that* sentiment well!
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> thorea:  is there anybody in charge of assistive technology support for ubuntu?  id most fdefinately be able to help as a consultant on that front
[01:23] <JDahl> saphari_, what happens if you type "fuser /dev/dsp"?
[01:23] <calamari> apokryphos: i'm still running linux.. it should work, right?  just because it's called "warty" shouldn't mean anything
[01:24] <saphari_> i don't know where to type that
[01:24] <Vjaz> calamari: The whole idea of a *stable* distribution is that you don't get new packages that might break the stability.
[01:24] <JDahl> saphari_, in a terminal
[01:24] <apokryphos> calamari: of course, no-one is stopping you. It's just that it will be harder, because it won't be from the official repos. Well, for a lot of the stuff.
[01:24] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I don't know - but looking on the wiki might find something: also if jdub or crimsun or bob2 are here, ask them
[01:24] <thoreauputic> they are working for canonical I believe
[01:24] <apokryphos> calamari: No-one's saying it's not going to work
[01:25] <calamari> Vjaz: but you also fade away into the past if you never get access to new programs
[01:25] <Vjaz> calamari: and that's why they make a new release every six months and make it easy to upgrade
[01:25] <b> boy , hoary better be good, Warty was (is) wonderful for me now...
[01:25] <kaos> can I install j2re1.4 using:  alien -i j2re-1.3.1_03-3asp.i386.rpm
[01:25] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: also subscribe to the users mailing list and send a message there if you wish
[01:26] <calamari> vjaz: has there ever been a repository where it is always kept up to date?
[01:26] <calamari> I know cygwin worked this way
[01:26] <JDahl> kaos, why would you want to do that when there are ubuntu packages?
[01:27] <Vjaz> calamari: Please rephrase. I don't understand what you're saying. :-P
[01:27] <calamari> anytime I went to download a program I'd notice there were several others that I needed to update as well
[01:27] <shadeofgrey> where do i subscribe to the users mailing list?
[01:27] <calamari> (cygwin)
[01:27] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: lists.ubuntu.com
[01:27] <calamari> so instead of downloading one program, i'd end up downloading a few more.. but I stayed up to date
[01:27] <calamari> see what I mean?
[01:28] <calamari> there was no concept of a stable distro.. you just kept updating
[01:28] <Vjaz> calamari: Yes, but the problem with constant upgrading is that things break easily.
[01:28] <apokryphos> calamari: I'm sorry, I don't see that. Regular updates doesn't necessitate an unstable distro
[01:29] <b> I agree with you Vjaz, and 90% of the upgrades are un-needed
[01:29] <apokryphos> erm
[01:29] <jdub> apokryphos: new version upgrades will include new bugs
[01:30] <b> True Jdub, I have years of experience to prove it too
[01:30] <apokryphos> jdub: again, not ncecessarily. But no-one's saying that they have to go and get hoary when it's in early developement, if they're looking to avoid bugs.
[01:30] <thoreauputic> calamari: warty security updates constantly: for the latest apps use hoary
[01:30] <b> about 25 to be exact
[01:30] <apokryphos> Precisely. This stuff is all mentioned on the site.
[01:31] <apokryphos> a distro is supported, security etc.. for 18 months.
[01:31] <Vjaz> There is the option that software would always be updated to the latest release declared stable, but then again, who knows if it really is stable?
[01:31] <calamari> so I'm on a sinking ship
[01:31] <jdub> apokryphos: sure, new version upgrades may "not necessarily" include new bugs, but they almost always do. instead, we fix the particular issue (security, bugfix), and move on.
[01:31] <calamari> great!
[01:32] <b> windows 98 only left supporting with updates this month...
[01:32] <apokryphos> jdub: Quite right. And people not wanting to encounter bugs should stick with a distro when it is declared "stable"
[01:32] <thoreauputic> calamari: sorry - how is it sinking when development is continuing daily?
[01:32] <jdub> calamari: there's a new release every six months. only the terminally impatient will have problems with that.
[01:32] <Vjaz> I guess you could assume that all 2.8.x Gnome releases are stable and that there's no problem in upgrading to 2.8.3.
[01:32] <apokryphos> You can' thave it both ways -- as you're saying, the latest apps are more likely to have bugs
[01:32] <apokryphos> having the latest apps you'll have to deal with the bugs. Bugs are good ;-); they mean "developement". :D
[01:33] <thoreauputic> calamari: you just do a dist-upgrade
[01:33] <thoreauputic> calamari: you don't need to reinstall
[01:33] <apokryphos> calamari: Nope, you never whipe it. Especially not debian-based systems. Only takes one command to update your distro.
[01:33] <b> it really depends what your purposes are
[01:33] <Vjaz> calamari: You do not need to wipe out Warty in order to install Hoary.
[01:33] <calamari> how many hours will that take on dialup?
[01:33] <apokryphos> quite a few :P
[01:34] <jdub> calamari: when hoary is released, there'll be CDs that you can upgrade with.
[01:34] <calamari> I can only stay connected four hours at a time
[01:34] <thoreauputic> calamari: too many  ;-)
[01:34] <b> if you want a stable system...use stable apps and stop updates
[01:34] <kaos> JDal its a pain in the ass to use synaptic
[01:34] <Vjaz> calamari: Pretty long. Do you think it would be any faster if you upgraded every week?
[01:34] <kaos> or apt
[01:34] <apokryphos> type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see how many megs it wants to fetch (you can still cancel before it starts)
[01:34] <jdub> calamari: if you really want to do it over your modem, it doesn't matter if you're disconnected while fetching everything
[01:34] <calamari> b: you don't understand.. you don't get new apps that way.. I'm not talking about new versions of apps, I'm talking about new apps
[01:34] <apokryphos> calamari: the four hour interval isn't so much of a problem. Apt picks up where it left off.
[01:34] <b> true Apok... and don't use outside source repositories
[01:34] <apokryphos> but you don't want to do that on a modem, anyhow
[01:35] <calamari> apokryphos: see what I mean now?
[01:35] <apokryphos> b: I do ;-)
[01:35] <apokryphos> calamari: I don't
[01:35] <calamari> it'd be so much better if the updates were constant
[01:35] <thoreauputic> calamari: have you looked at the repositories? You have *thousands* of apps at your fingertips!
[01:35] <calamari> then I don't have to go through a major upgrade ordeal every 6 months
[01:35] <jdub> calamari: it's not an ordeal.
[01:35] <b> then u do cuz u dont care if you blow up your os...you are a developer more than just a user
[01:35] <jdub> calamari: besides, you can always track the development branch.
[01:36] <calamari> jdub: yes it is.. I'm on dialup
[01:36] <jdub> calamari: we send CDs out for free.
[01:36] <thoreauputic> calamari: you will be able to do the same from a new CD
[01:36] <calamari> jdub: getting things in bits and pieces is bearable
[01:36] <calamari> thoreauputic: no because then I have to wipe out my os
[01:36] <jdub> calamari: so permanently run the development branch. :-)
[01:36] <thoreauputic> calamari: no, you won't
[01:36] <b> Calamari, use Warty...it is stable...
[01:36] <Vjaz> calamari: Why do you think that it's necessary to wipe out your OS?
[01:36] <apokryphos> calamari: there's no whipping involved!!!!
[01:36] <jdub> calamari: upgrading using a CD image works the same way as upgrading online.
[01:37] <calamari> hmm.. seems I got bad info in the past then
[01:37] <Vjaz> calamari: You can get a CD with all the packages, tell apt-get to use the CD as a source and then "download" all the new packages from the CD.
[01:37] <calamari> I was told that upgrading via cd was not possible
[01:37] <apokryphos> it is
[01:37] <jdub> whoever told you that was wrong
[01:37] <calamari> okay.. well problem solved then
[01:37] <apokryphos> just like with any other linux distro
[01:37] <calamari> sorry about the fuss :)
[01:38] <Vjaz> hahaa
[01:38] <thoreauputic> calamari: the whole point of the apt utility and policies is to avoid the problem you described
[01:39] <calamari> thoreauputic: oic
[01:39] <calamari> I don't know much about apt.. my fault since I use synaptic all the time
[01:39] <apokryphos> and it's what makes Linux infinitely better than Windoze :P
[01:39] <apokryphos> synaptic is the front-end
[01:39] <b> use apt, not synaptic...synsaptic can break things
[01:39] <calamari> I know I can add repositories in synaptic.. I suppose I'd just add the hoary cd and be set.. that's perfect
[01:39] <thoreauputic> calamari: synaptic is just pretty pictures with the power of apt behind it ;-)
[01:40] <Vjaz> b: what does synaptic break?
[01:40] <apokryphos> Synaptic is fine for everyday dealings
[01:40] <calamari> thanks then.. my faith in ubuntu has been restored :)
[01:40] <Vjaz> :-D
[01:40] <calamari> sorry again for the commotion
[01:40] <b> there has been flaws recently discovered in synaptic, ask Kanotix users...
[01:40] <apokryphos> b: no it doesn't; synaptic is only the GUI front-end. Any retrieving/dependency problems in synaptic are problems in apt
[01:41] <thoreauputic> calamari: look at it this way -  probably your issues and the answers have helped others understand the system better
[01:41] <ron_> ?
[01:41] <ron_> i win
[01:41] <b> Apok, synaptic has some flaws in some distros, just go to Kanotix room and ask
[01:42] <apokryphos> I really don't want to, but fine ;-)
[01:43] <b> synaptic has been known to uncomment lines in apt sources.list
[01:43] <Vjaz> b: I doubt there are major problems with Synaptic in Ubuntu because Synaptic is the main package management interface in Ubuntu.
[01:44] <apokryphos> b: hahaha
[01:44] <Vjaz> b: What's wrong with uncommenting lines?
[01:44] <Vjaz> b: Given that the user requested that.
[01:44] <Vjaz> b: Which you can do in Synaptic.
[01:44] <saphari_> where  do i find this synaptic? and how do i add universe and multiverse to it
[01:44] <b> the user didnt request it
[01:45] <Vjaz> saphari_: Computer->System settings->Synaptic Package Manager
[01:45] <calamari> hey.. question that's been bugging me for a while.. no solution yet.  Is there a way to automatically load keyboard settings?  right now I load gnome-keyboard-layout and click "down, up" to load my settings, and that's only slightly annoying.. but It'd be great if it were automatic
[01:45] <b> dont take my word for it...but I am far more versed than you imagine and speak from a wide range of experience....but ignore me if you like
[01:46] <apokryphos> b: I've asked. The only reason they're suggesting for not using synaptic is that "it can crash", which seems like a pretty bad reason, considering (i) my synaptic doesn't crash, (ii) console can crash too.
[01:46] <Vjaz> b: Well it would be nice if you gave some more backing to your clauses other than "Kanotix has problems with Synaptic". We're not in Kanotix, are we?
[01:47] <_blue> hello, im back again, about my wireless device, the at&t 6500g, its recognized in the device manager but it wont show up as one of the options when i set a wireless connection
[01:47] <apokryphos> b: anyhow, if you wanted to stop this synaptic getting a life of its own (with the uncommenting and whatnot), you could always just make sure that they never existed at all in the sources.list, couldn't you?
[01:48] <b> if there is a question about a gui interface causing install probs, then y not just use the command line which is faithful and true, less chance of error
[01:49] <bzbb> b, its fun browsing a list of all packages
[01:49] <Vjaz> Maybe we should use DOS and COBOL. They're faithful and true. Less chance of error.
[01:49] <b> Im not suggesting synaptic is useless, but do apt-get -l | less
[01:49] <apokryphos> b: because, (i) I haven't had these "problems", (ii) GUI provides a few more features that are more easily accessible. I don't want new users to necessarily dive straight into apt.
[01:49] <apokryphos> using synaptic for them gives them a perspective on the repos
[01:49] <samuell1> Can someone tell me how to switch window managers?
[01:50] <apokryphos> samuell1: run a different one: Alt + F2
[01:50] <samuell1> O.o
[01:50] <Vjaz> b: there's no option -l for apt-get
[01:50] <samuell1> will that make the new one default?
[01:51] <apokryphos> samuell1: a *new* windowmanager?
[01:51] <Vjaz> b: maybe you meant dpkg -l?
[01:51] <_blue> does anyone have a solution to my wireless problem?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> running a new window manager with alt+F2 won't work - a wm already exists on display 0:0 or whatever
[01:52] <Vjaz> samuell1: when you logout, select "save session"
[01:52] <samuell1> Okay
[01:52] <Vjaz> yeah, I guess you might want to kill the old window manager, which would be metacity
[01:52] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I actually don't understand the question. A new window manager? Does gnome do this differently?
[01:52] <Ex-Cyber> for a moment I was almost ready to believe the impossible
[01:52] <samuell1> but what program do i run? i dont know if there's a default program for xfce...
[01:53] <Ex-Cyber> that fglrx had actually saved my sanity
[01:53] <Ex-Cyber> but alas, it was not meant to be
[01:53] <apokryphos> ohh :D. I understand. Metacity etc.
[01:53] <apokryphos> sorry ;-)
[01:53] <jlg> Could someone confirm whether I should report the following as a bug: when I close the lid on my Asus A2500L about 50% of the time I get logged off from X (when I open the lid, I'm back at GDM). The other 50% my X session just keeps running.
[01:53] <b> Vjaz, I was asked how to see all packages at once...different application to what you are refering to
[01:53] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I think he wants to substitute another wm for metacity (gnome-default)
[01:53] <b> dpkg -i is install deb package
[01:54] <Ex-Cyber> jlg: inconsistent behavior is almost always a bug of some kind
[01:54] <thoreauputic> b your command simply spits out an error, sorry
[01:54] <jlg> Ex-Cyber. Okay, thank you. Will report, then.
[01:54] <b> what?  "apt-get -l | less" no error
[01:55] <b> do apt-get update first
[01:55] <thoreauputic> E: Command line option 'l' [from -l]  is not known.
[01:55] <thoreauputic> and I'm up to date, b :)
[01:56] <BrianAnthony> is there a command to print an md5 string?
[01:57] <S2K> how do you select an alternate wm to use?
[01:57] <Vjaz> b: Please read my messages more carefully. -i is not -l, which is what I was referring to. dpkg -l gives you a list of installed packages
[01:57] <Vjaz> b: Are you using Hoary?
[01:58] <b> i'm sorry, I am speaking from Mepis apt-get, thought they'd be the same  ur right dpkg -l
[01:59] <b> I use 6 different debian based distros
[01:59] <Vjaz> which version does Mepis have?
[01:59] <S2K> six?
[01:59] <S2K> which six?
[02:00] <robertj> if I get no such action associated with this location when trying to connect to a ftp:// url in nautilus, what should I do?
[02:00] <SiliconViper> b: In mepis, that's still valid.
[02:00] <Vjaz> Hm... it seems like Warty packages do get upgraded sometimes. Just installed Firefox 1.0.
[02:01] <thoreauputic> b, I'm not sure on what planet apt-get accepts the -l flag
[02:01] <SiliconViper> From memory, apt-get is pretty much the same on all of 'em.
[02:01] <b> Mepis , Ubuntu, Kanotix, Debian, Agnulla, KNoppix
[02:01] <mirak> Segmentation fault from cp, that's weird
[02:01] <Vjaz> whoa
[02:02] <SiliconViper> mirak, ouch...
[02:02] <Vjaz> b: which version of apt-get does Mepis have?
[02:02] <b> but I also use Vector which used slapt-get  it is the confusion  slapt-get -l
[02:02] <b> slackware based
[02:03] <mdz> b: I wasn't aware that MEPIS was patching apt.  what is the version number of their apt package?
[02:03] <b> patching?
[02:03] <mdz> Vjaz: warty does not have firefox 1.0; you must have added an unofficial source
[02:04] <mdz> b: no version of apt that I am familiar with has an -l option
[02:04] <thoreauputic> b, slapt-get != apt-get
[02:04] <b> read above so I dont need to type more...
[02:04] <thoreauputic> b, fair enough :)
[02:05] <mdz> ok, completely different piece of software
[02:05] <robertj> can someone withy warty see if they can use nautilus to access a ftp:// site?
[02:05] <SiliconViper> b: Nah, it's the same.
[02:05] <Vjaz> mdz: ah you're right... I had enabled warty-backports and forgot about it :-P
[02:05] <robertj> no bugs are filed but all my machines seem not to work properly
[02:05] <thoreauputic> robertj: yes, I can
[02:05] <thoreauputic> I just type ftp://ftp.site.com
[02:06] <thoreauputic> or something like that
[02:06] <robertj> hrmm, curious
[02:06] <thoreauputic> it asks for a password, I type it, I'm in
[02:06] <Vjaz> robertj: Works here too.
[02:06] <thoreauputic> works rather well, and I'm not even a big nautilus fan ;-)
[02:08] <robertj> toreauputic: what about if you add it using the connect to server dialog?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> robertj: hmm .. let me try
[02:08] <b> Oh I forgot, I also use Xandros  lol 7 versions of debian based distros
[02:09] <jesus_> is there a default graphical ftp client in ubuntu?
[02:09] <b> I wish Ubuntu had a kde version
[02:09] <SiliconViper> b: Make one.
[02:09] <apokryphos> b: they're working on it: kubuntu
[02:10] <b> lol...maybe I will
[02:10] <apokryphos> but you can still have kde on Ubuntu
[02:10] <robertj> thor: i can use ftp if I do file | open location
[02:10] <robertj> but if I do connect to server it doesn't work
[02:10] <thoreauputic> robertj: hmm - interesting - I can't get that to work
[02:10] <thoreauputic> robertj: but it has other options - maybe I chose a bad option
[02:10] <apokryphos> jesus_: not really; there's a few at your disposal though.
[02:10] <b> NOt on Warty u couldnt...said right in ubuntu documentation that gnome is built into the kernel
[02:11] <apokryphos> b: You're wrong, friend.
[02:11] <apokryphos> add the Universe repository and get kde-core and see her go
[02:11] <b> I tried.  it choked badly
[02:11] <thoreauputic> b, how on earth can gnome be built into the kernel??
[02:11] <bob2> b: please don't spread FUD like that
[02:11] <apokryphos> b: I tried, it worked fine, but it was an older kde version.
[02:11] <b> um want me to get the article?
[02:11] <robertj> thor: it looks the same as the one I typed in
[02:11] <apokryphos> please do; I'll get you one too
[02:11] <bob2> b: whatever article you're talking about is wrong
[02:11] <thoreauputic> b, I fear you are sadly misinformed
[02:11] <bob2> b: please contact the author and correct them
[02:12] <apokryphos> Check the official FAQ
[02:12] <SiliconViper> b: Built into the kernel, eh? I smell shenannigans.
[02:12] <apokryphos> b: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde/view?searchterm=kde here's just one.
[02:13] <apokryphos> As far as I can tell, the attitude of the core Ubuntu is not anti-kde, it's just non-kde.
[02:13] <mdz> jesus_: nautilus provides ftp client functionality
[02:13] <b> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=3475  read 4th paragraph
[02:13] <jesus_> thanks mdz
[02:14] <Riddell> apokryphos: not for long :)
[02:14] <bob2> b: sorry, you seem to be mis-interpreting the article
[02:14] <apokryphos> b: Yes, you are
[02:15] <apokryphos> he's providing but an opinion there. "You will find no KDEcentric pieces floating around here... at least I didn't... but for some"
[02:15] <bob2> b: kde is not installed by default, but it's certainly available
[02:15] <apokryphos> Riddell: hopefully, yes :)
[02:15] <Liz> anyone here been able to get a dell printer to print on ubuntu warty?
[02:15] <bob2> b: also, I'm not sure where you got the "gnome is built into the kernel" idea from
[02:16] <mdz> Riddell: that reminds me; I ought to forward you copies of some off-list kubuntu correspondence. what's your email address?
[02:19] <Riddell> mdz: jr@jriddell.org
[02:20] <apokryphos> Does anyone have any idea what's happening with the Hoary release schedule? Shouldn't array 6 be out by now?
[02:20] <calc> hoary is due out in april
[02:20] <thoreauputic> robertj: I just noticed - using the connect to server I get an icon on the desktop: clicking it asks for my ftp password
[02:20] <daniels> apokryphos: stuff listed for one week generally happens in the middle of the week -- on wednesday
[02:20] <thoreauputic> so it appears to work
[02:20] <Karlosis> A question: Is Ubutu using discover2 or discover1?
[02:20] <daniels> apokryphos: in any case, it's 0120 on monday morning where our installer dude is
[02:20] <mdz> apokryphos: array 6 is due this week
[02:21] <robertj> thoreauputic: but does it work?
[02:21] <bob2> Karlosis: hotplug.
[02:21] <daniels> Karlosis: neither, really; it uses discover1 for working out which xorg driver to use, but that's going away
[02:21] <Karlosis> i see... it conflicts with my discover2
[02:21] <neighborlee> hey guys im trying to view a movie from a website for equinox3d ( 3d modeler )...just a mpg..totem can't handle them ??
[02:21] <mdz> you really don't want discover2 anyway
[02:22] <thoreauputic> robertj: yes - Iget a nautilus window on my website's ftp
[02:22] <Karlosis> i want hotplug?
[02:22] <mdz> definitely
[02:22] <thoreauputic> robertj: appears to work fine
[02:22] <Karlosis> that i already have
[02:22] <robertj> hrmm, not working here on my sftp loc
[02:22] <bob2> Karlosis: the default install will work fine
[02:22] <apokryphos> mdz: out of interest, is there an actual way to know what array you've got? Seen some members come in here to ask. I would have thought it would be mentioned /etc/issue
[02:22] <Deviant> what program will play wmv files?
[02:22] <Karlosis> hm... it's not what i do, i convert a Sid to Hoary
[02:23] <bob2> Deviant: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:23] <daniels> Karlosis: ah, in that case, remove discover2
[02:23] <bob2> Karlosis: install ubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <mdz> apokryphos: /.disk/info on the CD, or the volume label on the CD
[02:23] <Karlosis> That i did
[02:23] <Karlosis> Or at least I try....
[02:23] <apokryphos> mdz: Sorry, I meant which version is *installed*.
[02:23] <Karlosis> But ubuntu-base is giving me some removals
[02:24] <bob2> apokryphos: hoary itself isn't versioned like that
[02:24] <mdz> apokryphos: the array releases are just snapshots; once they're installed, there are usually upgrades available immediately
[02:24] <Vjaz> neighborlee: I think you need to install a gstreamer plugin for that. Only OGG/Theora is supported by default I think.
[02:24] <apokryphos> I see; thanks.
[02:25] <Vjaz> neighborlee: It's gstreamer-mpeg2dec I think.
[02:25] <daniels> arrays are just a convenient pinpoint of a certain point in time
[02:25] <apokryphos> So actually there's no particular reason to dist-upgrade specifically at array release times
[02:25] <Vjaz> neighborlee: gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec on second thought
[02:26] <bob2> apokryphos: hoary upgrades are independant of array releases, yes
[02:26] <Karlosis> What's the compiler used for Hoary, already gcc4.0?
[02:26] <mdz> apokryphos: that's correct
[02:26] <mdz> Karlosis: 3.3 by default, 3.4 and 4.0 are available
[02:27] <jesus_> i can't read my ntfs disk as user, and i check my fstab file like 15 times
[02:27] <Vjaz> Whoa, there's gcc 4.0?
[02:27] <Vjaz> Astonishing.
[02:27] <Karlosis> mdz: I only ask, because I know that x86_64 benefits a lot from 3.4
[02:27] <apokryphos> Vjaz: where they always are :P. In the repos.
[02:27] <Karlosis> Vjaz: Not finals, but pres
[02:28] <Karlosis> Interestingly, the ABI will not be broken with 4.0
[02:28] <Karlosis> That's likely the first time for some releases :p
[02:28] <bob2> but 3.3 -> 3.4 breaks the ABI anyway
[02:28] <Vjaz> apokryphos: Oh, I'm not looking for it, I just didn't know it existed yet, but as karlosis pointed out, it's not released yet.
[02:28] <bob2> jesus_: umask=002 in the options field
[02:28] <Karlosis> Only on archs that are not in Ubuntu I think, bob2
[02:28] <Karlosis> But still it did
[02:29] <bob2> Karlosis: I thought it broke the C++ ABI everywhere?
[02:29] <neighborlee> Vjaz, ah ok thx ;=-)
[02:29] <Karlosis> bob2: Only on Sparc and some other platform
[02:30] <bob2> Karlosis: ah
[02:30] <Karlosis> The effect for Debian is the same then though.
[02:30] <bob2> Karlosis: it revs the libstdc++ SONAME, tho
[02:30] <magnon> anyone know of a true type font viewer in ubuntu?
[02:30] <apokryphos> jesus_: in case you haven't seen it yet: www.ubuntuguide.org; a few good basics on there.
[02:30] <bob2> Karlosis: (http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/abi.html)
[02:32] <Karlosis> bob2: See how it says except for 2 it is the same?
[02:32] <magnon> forget it
[02:32] <magnon> nautilus is smarter than me anyhow
[02:32] <Karlosis> bob2: Dunno for the C++... why the soname changed
[02:33] <bob2> Karlosis: right, but changing the soname for libstdc++ is a big deal
[02:33] <Karlosis> indeed, and that's what i found funny
[02:33] <Karlosis> gcc 4.0 should be the first release for a long time that doesn't change something
[02:33] <Karlosis> in ABI
[02:35] <endir> I can't seem to turn on dma for my ide drives. The forums have left me without an answer. HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[02:35] <Karlosis> Are you root, endir?
[02:35] <endir> Karlosis, using sudo
[02:35] <statico> anybody ever have trouble where their cursor becomes all black ?
[02:35] <endir> I even tried configuring hdparm.conf
[02:35] <statico> (just a mask)
[02:36] <bob2> statico: trident or s3 video?
[02:36] <statico> endir: what kind of drive?
[02:36] <statico> bob2: ati rage 128
[02:36] <statico> looks like the opengl screensavers eat my cursor
[02:36] <endir> they have worked fine in a vast number of other linux's. just some maxtor ide drives
[02:36] <Karlosis> do you compile your own kernel, endir?
[02:36] <robertj> hrmm, can anyone try a ftp src with nautilus vfs using a username that contains a %
[02:36] <endir> no
[02:37] <Karlosis> are you sure the chipset module is loaded?
[02:37] <endir> Karlosis, I am using an amd64 with i386 hoary. It didn't work in warty either
[02:37] <endir> Karlosis, via82cxxx
[02:38] <endir> Karlosis, could it do something with also having an sata drive
[02:38] <Karlosis> hm.... it would normally mean that you don't have your kernel using specific code for the disk
[02:39] <Karlosis> generic ide over via ide in your case
[02:39] <bob2> you need to load the specific sata driver for your chipset
[02:39] <endir> Karlosis, I even tried loading the ide modules in /etc/modules
[02:39] <bob2> which is non-trivial, aiui
[02:39] <bob2> endir: the dewfault ide module will be loaded long before /etc/modules is seen
[02:39] <endir> yeah it was a longshot
[02:40] <Karlosis> is your drive sata or do you mean you also have sata in another disk?
[02:41] <endir> Karlosis, I also have another sata drive which works fine
[02:41] <TaaDow> hey I installed ubuntu 4.10 I cant create an internet connection using a account name and password, there is no settings for it when you create an ethernet connection. anyone has any ideas?
[02:41] <statico> last time i checked, you don't need an account name for an ethernet connection. rephrase?
[02:41] <endir> lsmod says: ide_core 129548  4 ide_disk,ide_cd,via82cxxx,ide_generic
[02:41] <bob2> TaaDow: you mean a dialup account?
[02:41] <fr500> TaaDow, you mean dialup
[02:42] <TaaDow> no dsl
[02:42] <TaaDow> verizon
[02:42] <TaaDow> I do on windows
[02:42] <statico> is there a way to change the cursor without logging out?
[02:42] <Karlosis> endir: ide_generic should not be loaded
[02:42] <fr500> oh
[02:42] <fr500> let me see
[02:42] <endir> Karlosis, I think that's it
[02:42] <endir> Karlosis, it was in /etc/modules by default
[02:42] <endir> Karlosis, I will remove it
[02:43] <Karlosis> endir: be careful, if you fail, your machine cannot boot
[02:43] <endir> Karlosis, yeah that's fine I can always chroot
[02:43] <Karlosis> endir: do you boot from the PATA?
[02:43] <fr500> TaaDow, no clues on dsl support on ubuntu
[02:43] <zul> endir: what kernel are you running
[02:43] <bob2> TaaDow: run 'sudo pppoeconf' in a terminal
[02:43] <fr500> sorry
[02:43] <TaaDow> I created an ethernet connection I put in IP subnet mask Gateway and 2 verizon DNS servers even activated it
[02:44] <TaaDow> ty anyway fr500
[02:44] <endir> zul, 2.6.10-4-k7 it did it with warty's default too
[02:44] <fr500> how do i know if my modem is detected?
[02:44] <TaaDow> what does that do bob2
[02:44] <endir> Karlosis, but I do want ide-core and ide-disk
[02:44] <zul> endir: gimme a sec
[02:44] <bob2> TaaDow: it gives you a tool to setup a pppoe connection
[02:44] <TaaDow> oh great
[02:45] <TaaDow> thats what my modem is
[02:45] <thoreauputic> TaaDow: I guess when you type it you'll see ;)
[02:45] <endir> I'm using k7 kernel instead of i386 even though I have a k8. Should I go back to i386?
[02:46] <TaaDow> argh I just installed xp just to come here now Im gonna install ubuntu again "sudo pppoeconfig" better work
[02:46] <thoreauputic> bob2: is there much advantage to installing a 686 krnel over a 386? ( I have a686 machine)
[02:46] <bob2> endir: doesn't matter
[02:46] <endir> zul, anything I want to reboot to see if ide-generic and via82cxxx were conflicting
[02:47] <bob2> TaaDow: er, why are you installing it again?
[02:47] <bob2> thoreauputic: some people claim it gives a significant boost
[02:47] <bob2> thoreauputic: won't hurt, tho :)
[02:47] <zul> endir: go ahead and reboot im still looking into it
[02:47] <endir> brb
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bob2: heh... OK
[02:47] <fr500> uhmmm
[02:47] <TaaDow> cause bob2 I cant get online with ubuntu ad I dont know how to create partitions with it I just agreed to tge defaults
[02:47] <fr500> how do i know if my modem is working under linux??
[02:48] <Karlosis> argh
[02:48] <Karlosis> I got this now: dpkg: ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[02:48] <bob2> TaaDow: that's fine
[02:48] <bob2> Karlosis: when doing what?
[02:48] <Karlosis> I had a disk full situation on an update
[02:48] <bob2> fr500: try to dial something
[02:48] <Karlosis> upgrade I mean....
[02:49] <fr500> bob2, how?
[02:49] <goldfish> lol
[02:49] <Karlosis> Now it tells me to run dpkg --configure -a
[02:49] <Karlosis> And gives the same error over and over
[02:49] <TaaDow> alright see yas thanks bob2
[02:49] <thoreauputic> fr500, are you having dialup problems? If so I might be able to help
[02:50] <fr500> thoreauputic, at the end of the new network connection wizard, it just freezes
[02:50] <lavigj> any planeshift players in here?
[02:50] <thoreauputic> fr500, have you tried using pppconfig?
[02:50] <DonL> lavigj, not yet, but looking at it
[02:50] <fr500> nope
[02:51] <foznot> xmms (yes I am still fighting with this) requires me to be root to start it, how do I change that? My user is in the audio group
[02:51] <bob2> Karlosis: that's amazing
[02:51] <fr500> let me see
[02:51] <lavigj> DonL: I am having trouble even running the game at the moment :) I was hoping it was something stupid and easy someone could say "do this, dumbass"
[02:51] <bob2> foznot: "requires"?
[02:51] <foznot> well it doesn't start unless i sudo
[02:51] <thoreauputic> fr500 type  groups in a terminal and see if your user is in the "dip" group
[02:51] <DonL> Can't help as yet, lavigj
[02:51] <foznot> not in dip
[02:51] <foznot> that is the problem
[02:51] <foznot> thanks] 
[02:51] <fr500> thoreauputic, dialout
[02:52] <lavigj> DonL: on problem
[02:52] <endir> unfortunately it wouldn't boot without ide-generic
[02:52] <fr500> thoreauputic, i'm the only user
[02:52] <thoreauputic> fr500,  sudo adduser youruser dip
[02:52] <EricNeon> hi,all~
[02:53] <Deviant> any app for linux that I can use simialar to winamp?
[02:53] <thoreauputic> fr500, then run sudo pppconfig  and fill out your details
[02:53] <endir> Deviant, xmms
[02:53] <Deviant> does xmms work with the gnome
[02:53] <endir> Deviant, yes
[02:53] <thoreauputic> fr500 and leave the default provider as 'provider"
[02:53] <bob2> everything works under gnome
[02:53] <endir> Deviant, xmms is the defacto media player
[02:54] <fr500> thoreauputic, says can't probe while pppd is running
[02:54] <foznot> sorry to be a bother...but when i check /etc/groups my user is in dip but when i hit groups it is not listed...i am using hoary
[02:54] <fr500> Deviant, try beep too
[02:54] <thoreauputic> fr500, oh, you are already on line with dialup?
[02:54] <foznot> or go crazy deviant and install realplayer
[02:54] <fr500> no
[02:54] <DonL> hoary doesn't yet work for me. I think I'll wait
[02:54] <error_29> everything except changing wallpaper, bob2.  Unless crashing the desktop is a feature.
[02:54] <borgista> realplayer is crap. yes'm.
[02:55] <fr500> i ran the gnome dialup wizard before
[02:55] <bob2> foznot: you need to log out and in again for group changes to take effect
[02:55] <fr500> that might be
[02:55] <bob2> error_29: er, file a bug if that actually happens
[02:55] <foznot> duh! sorry
[02:55] <foznot> thanks
[02:55] <error_29> yer right bob2
[02:55] <endir> zul, find anything?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> fr500:  hmm... well kill pppd then if you're not on line with it
[02:55] <bob2> I've not seen that myself
[02:55] <bob2> or heard of it
[02:55] <equalizer_> Bonsoir Tlm
[02:56] <error_29> you have now
[02:56] <K-Rich> greets
[02:56] <thoreauputic> fr500, and note what bob2 said about loging out and in to make the group change stick
[02:56] <fr500> thoreauputic, same result
[02:56] <waseem> Hi I am trying to install Jgrasp onto my computer
[02:56] <fr500> i tried as root
[02:56] <waseem> would anyone here be interested in helpng
[02:56] <fr500> same result
[02:57] <thoreauputic> fr500  ps aux | grep ppp
[02:57] <equalizer_> oOn Parle Franais Ici ???
[02:57] <thoreauputic> see if it's running
[02:57] <borgista> moi. equalizer
[02:57] <fr500> yes it is
[02:58] <fr500> i killed with killall pppd
[02:58] <thoreauputic> fr500 well, kill the process
[02:58] <thoreauputic> OK
[02:58] <equalizer_> J'ai Un Blme Je suis Avec Xchat a Merde Mais Je Veux All Sur Fantasya Mais Je Suis Pas Capable
[02:58] <thoreauputic> make sure it's really dead!
[02:58] <fr500> just kill?
[02:58] <borgista> qu'est que fantasya?
[02:58] <equalizer_> Un Serveur
[02:59] <borgista> je sais rien de servers.
[02:59] <borgista> serveurs*
[02:59] <thoreauputic> fr500`ps aux | grep ppp again to make sure it's gone
[02:59] <equalizer_> Vien En Pv Svp
[02:59] <DonL> avec tout caps, equalizer_ ?
[02:59] <error_29> Bob2, correction, it's panels that are crashing, and on another forum (about fedora) I find this, which is exactly what's happening to me:
[02:59] <fr500> it doesnt die
[02:59] <error_29> When changing backgrounds, I get a message telling me that the panel has crashed. I then get a message telling me that it discovered a panel already running and will now quit. Then the panel dissapears, and then is reloaded. I think this mainly happens when switching between types of wallpaper, such as between "No Wallpaper", "Tiled", and "Centered".
[02:59] <thoreauputic> fr500, hmm
[03:00] <borgista> error_29, i've the same bug
[03:00] <thoreauputic> fr500, maybe another process is respawning it
[03:00] <K-Rich> error_29: killall gnome-panel;gnome-panel
[03:01] <error_29> the only really annoying thing about it is the two messages, and having to close the one on the bottom first.
[03:01] <fr500> hmmm
[03:01] <thoreauputic> fr500, I haven't seen this happen so I'm not sure how you rid yourself of it : try typing " poff"  as root and see if that does the trick
[03:02] <fr500> nope
[03:02] <thoreauputic> without the quotes of course
[03:02] <lavigj> ok, I have to publicly rejoice that I fixed my install independent of any other help.
[03:02] <thoreauputic> fr500, I'm running out of ideas here, sorry
[03:02] <lavigj> my .ICEauthority file had been made root root with a 600 chmod permission. I found this, and corrected it. I are happy :)
[03:02] <error_29> k-rich? the panels kill themselves nicely, and revive nicely on their own...
[03:02] <DonL> cool, lavigj ! Feels good, no?
[03:02] <error_29> why would I want that command?
[03:02] <lavigj> DonL: indeed. still don't know how to play planeshift so far, but I got X working again :)
[03:03] <K-Rich> error_29: you can avoid having to wade through the "ok" buttons
[03:03] <DonL> lavigj, baby steps
[03:03] <lavigj> DonL: I suppose this might make me newb+1 :)
[03:03] <thoreauputic> fr500, normally adding yourself to the "dip" group and running pppconfig as root fixes it... your situation is different it seems
[03:03] <DonL> lol
[03:03] <waseem> Hi I am trying to install jGrasp onto my computer. Can someone here please help me.
[03:03] <fr500> it worked now
[03:03] <fr500> the gnome wizard was still running
[03:03] <thoreauputic> ah - good
[03:03] <fr500> frozen
[03:03] <thoreauputic> ah IC
[03:04] <poxymox> n8 @all!
[03:04] <fr500> it is on the modem port part
[03:04] <thoreauputic> so you added yourself to dip?
[03:04] <fr500> didnt detect anything
[03:04] <fr500> yes
[03:04] <thoreauputic> is it a hardware modem, fr500 ?
[03:04] <fr500> hmmm
[03:04] <fr500> laptop
[03:04] <fr500> toshiba a20 sp
[03:04] <thoreauputic> oh
[03:04] <lavigj> DonL: oye.. this is confusing. mayhaps I shall just start over here... and reinstall it
[03:04] <fr500> probably winmodem
[03:04] <thoreauputic> it is probably a winmodem
[03:05] <thoreauputic> :/
[03:05] <fr500> bad thing?
[03:05] <aperson> ello all
[03:05] <thoreauputic> fr500: at this point you need to establish what the chipset is and pay a visit to linmodems.org
[03:05] <aperson> anyone here have any experience with ubuntu and a mini-itx mobo?
[03:06] <fr500> ok
[03:06] <thoreauputic> fr500, or get  adecent external modem
[03:06] <fr500> well for this putter....better not
[03:06] <thoreauputic> fr500: winmodems can be a royal pain
[03:06] <fr500> i'll enjoy the challenge
[03:07] <fr500> making my wifi work in fedora on my 1st linux day was cool (just to find out it works out of the box on ubuntu)
[03:07] <thoreauputic> fr500: if it's a lucent chip, you may be in luck - there are a few others that are supported
[03:07] <joeblow> fr500: some winmodems simply will not work with Linux. There are no drivers for many of them. If you have one of these chipsets, I hope you know how to write a driver
[03:07] <fr500> is there a way to figure out without windoze?
[03:07] <fr500> joeblow, not that much
[03:08] <fr500> just a bit of a challenge
[03:08] <thoreauputic> fr500: try typing lspci to see if it's recognised
[03:08] <calc> hmm i got wireless working under ubuntu but it was far from trivial
[03:08] <thoreauputic> or lspci | grep -i modem
[03:08] <fr500>  Modem: ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller
[03:08] <daniels> worked out of the box for me
[03:09] <calc> gnome/ubuntu could improve dramatically in that aspect
[03:09] <fr500> calc, yes it is
[03:09] <fr500> i meant in fc3
[03:09] <calc> eg add wpa_supplicant to the archive for starters ;)
[03:09] <joeblow> calc: there are many technical and legal aspects they would have to overcome first
[03:09] <calc> then find a way to keep ethernet devices on laptops from renumbering themselves (ugh)
[03:09] <thoreauputic> fr500, well at least that gives you an idea what to look for on linmodems.org
[03:09] <calc> joeblow: to include wpa_supplicant?
[03:10] <fr500> thoreauputic, yeah
[03:10] <fr500> brb
[03:10] <calc> also for some reason system->admin->networking doesn't run anymore
[03:10] <fr500> what is wpa_supplicant?
[03:10] <calc> fr500: wpa wireless security support for linux
[03:10] <joeblow> no, i said that right after you...the best way to get wireless under linux is ndiswrapper, but the binary drivers for windows couldnt be included for legal reasons
[03:10] <Archon_> Does/Did anyone have troubles with switching between windows where the drawing would be slow with Ubuntu and XFree86???
[03:11] <equalizer_> Qu'elle Qu'un Parle Le Franais Ici Svp
[03:11] <calc> joeblow: there are plenty of drivers for various cards, but the infrastructure for them isn't all that great
[03:11] <speel> lol why so much hate on XFREE
[03:11] <andrewski> has anyone used kazehakase, a GTK+ web browser?
[03:11] <calc> like no support for wpa in ubuntu, the fact that you can't use passphrases with iwconfig, etc
[03:11] <daniels> Archon_: depends on what sort of video card you have and which driver you're using
[03:12] <Archon_> daniels: "nvidia" Geforce2
[03:12] <calc> also it would be nice to get ipw2200 1.0.1 in ubuntu hoary kernel (had to compile it myself)
[03:13] <daniels> Archon_: you'll need to install the nvidia drivers (http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriversHoto) to get decent performance out of your card
[03:13] <daniels> er, BinaryDriversHowto
[03:13] <Archon_> i did
[03:13] <Archon_> apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[03:13] <daniels> then nvidia-glx-config enable?
[03:13] <Archon_> nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:13] <fr500> calc, like wep?
[03:13] <DonL> speel, it seems there are issues with Xfree and everyone's going with Xorg, but my system doesn't seem to like it
[03:13] <Archon_> it can do 3D applications
[03:13] <daniels> ah, OK
[03:13] <daniels> no idea, sorry
[03:13] <pvh> I have a double-monitor configuration, and XScreenSaver used to run a different screen on each window.
[03:13] <Archon_> (that glx cogs program runs at like 800 FPS)
[03:13] <calc> fr500: wpa is like wep but that is secure (at least wpa2 (aes) is)
[03:14] <pvh> Now it runs one big one on both. Any idea why that might have changed?
[03:14] <calc> fr500: though for wep you can't even type in your passphrase, you have to enter the very long hex string your ap spits out
[03:14] <Yomic> Anyone know where to find soundcard support for Allegro?
[03:14] <daniels> pvh: XScreenSaver suddenly became Xinerama-aware
[03:14] <JDahl> what repository is xmms in?
[03:14] <daniels> pvh: so it knows to treat the two monitors as one big display, instead of two separate ones
[03:14] <daniels> pvh: matter of personal preference
[03:15] <lavigj> DonL: wow... that wasn't the only thing broken... for some reason it didn't load all of fstab either
[03:15] <pvh> daniels: Is there any way to disable that feature?
[03:15] <pvh> daniels: Everything happens at the seam. :)
[03:15] <calc> also would be nice if ubuntu got the gnome wireless network applet that novell/redhat use
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Yomic: xmms is in main on warty
[03:16] <Ominus> how do i install a modem, knowing it's a PCI, on IRQ 16 and COM3?
[03:16] <DonL> I moved to ubuntu from Mandrake for just that X reason
[03:16] <Yomic> It would be nice for my Win32 compatable soundcard to work on ubuntu as well.
[03:16] <daniels> pvh: not really, unfortunately
[03:16] <thoreauputic> so saith apt-cache policy...
[03:16] <DonL> ..found some other reasons to stay though
[03:16] <lavigj> DonL: what I just said, or something else?
[03:17] <daniels> calc: er, sure you can
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Yomic: sorry wrong nick :/
[03:17] <DonL> lavigj, don't know about that
[03:17] <daniels> calc: 's:passphrase'
[03:17] <daniels> calc: i've done that countless times
[03:17] <Yomic> It's okay :/
[03:17] <thoreauputic> JDahl: xmms is in main on warty
[03:18] <Yomic> Anyone else know where to find soundcard support for Allegro?
[03:18] <calc> daniels: it should be more obvious how to do that, heh
[03:18] <DonL> lavigj, just scrolled back. Yes..
[03:18] <andrewski> can anyone help me force a package version that synaptic says is broken?
[03:18] <calc> daniels: so type 's:passphrase' in the gnome networking gui
[03:18] <lavigj> DonL: heh, ok. fortunately, the filesystems were still fine, and this was on a non-essential system. but man, it would have sucked to have lost all those
[03:18] <calc> btw maybe some logic to wrap a non-hex string with 's: ' would be useful ;)
[03:19] <b> hi
[03:19] <b> I am coming at you from Hoary now
[03:19] <calc> though i can't get the gnome networking admin app to run anymore, just dies :\
[03:19] <DonL> I've killed systems so bad before so many times just playin around I guess I'm used to it now
[03:19] <lavigj> DonL: heh
[03:19] <DonL> good on ya, b
[03:20] <b> It just looks like Warty, didnt have the greeting song though
[03:20] <DonL> What video card are you running, b?
[03:20] <calc> hmm it doesn't even show up in ps when i try to run it, very strange
[03:20] <b> nvidia
[03:21] <DonL> Are you using hardware acceleration, and what drivers?
[03:21] <compmanio36> hey, is there a way to get an ISO of Hoary right now, I had warty on my machine, and I want to try a fresh install of Hoary on a new drive
[03:21] <b> so far, in Hoary havnt set up nvidia driver yet, I know how
[03:22] <b> but just got set up about 60 secs ago
[03:23] <slashcom> is there any way for me to select one of my two sound cards?
[03:23] <slashcom> because alsaconf definitely doesn't :(
[03:23] <DonL> The acceleration (reason for buying a nice card) seems to be a feature I would like to have enabled, but with Xorg, it seems to be a problem
[03:24] <slashcom> i am using warty, btw
[03:24] <b> DonL do you have nvidia?
[03:24] <DonL> Yes, b.
[03:24] <b> then it is easy
[03:25] <lavigj> DonL: aye... I don't remember exactly what I did, but I have it working too
[03:25] <DonL> I know how, but every time you update the driver, or update the kernel, you have to go through this big thing
[03:25] <bob2> no you don't
[03:25] <b> no you dont
[03:25] <Ominus> i got a problem installin a Us robotics in ubuntu... it's not being recognized, but it is on IRQ 16 COM 3... anyone got a clue?
[03:25] <bob2> this is ubuntu, not some half-assed distro
[03:25] <b> just enable
[03:25] <bob2> DonL: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:25] <b> in command line
[03:25] <bob2> Ominus: winmodem?
[03:25] <DonL> I'd be happy if I didn't. I'll go there.
[03:25] <Ominus> that's right..
[03:26] <b> you definitley dont
[03:26] <bob2> ouchy
[03:26] <b> I got winmodem going
[03:26] <b> it isnt hard
[03:27] <Dreamer3> does the gnome meeting that comes with ubunut work well with netmeeting?
[03:27] <Ominus> what is the command in setserial?
[03:27] <b> need to locate correctr module for your modem though
[03:27] <bzbb> hah!
[03:27] <christopher> how do you start a service at bootime?
[03:27] <christopher> im having a prollem
[03:27] <Ominus> b, how?
[03:27] <bzbb> i have a package name question that apt-cache search doesn't answer
[03:27] <b> /etc/rc
[03:27] <bzbb> I need bzlib
[03:27] <christopher> ok thanks
[03:27] <bob2> christopher: they all start once installed
[03:27] <bzbb> and bzlib-dev
[03:27] <bob2> bzbb: you mean "the bzip2 library"?
[03:28] <christopher> well i need to run this one thing
[03:28] <bob2> bzbb: libbz2-dev
[03:28] <christopher> thats like a cheap prog some guy made for me
[03:28] <bzbb> perhaps
[03:28] <DonL> bob2 and b, thanks. I've saved the page and I'll look into it later
[03:28] <Ominus> b, could you be more specific?
[03:28] <b> Omnibuus, are you trying to get winmodem going?
[03:28] <christopher> i just wanna stick it in the linux autoexec.bat =o)
[03:28] <Ominus> b, thats right
[03:28] <slashcom> is there any way for me to select one of my two sound cards?
[03:29] <Phusion> hey, I just realized that all the trouble I've been having getting sound to work involved changing the owner of everything in /dev/snd to the user I'm using. I found out that when I reboot, this is undone. How do I fix this?
[03:29] <bob2> christopher: put the init script in /etc/init.d/
[03:29] <slashcom> in warty
[03:29] <bob2> christopher: then use "update-rc.d" to install it into the runlevels
[03:29] <b> u need to do some research and know what the foundation of the modem is
[03:29] <bob2> Phusion: er, no you don't
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Ominus: try typing  lspci | grep -i modem
[03:29] <Phusion> ...
[03:29] <Ominus> b, it is an US Robotics 5610 WinModem... on IRQ 3, COM3
[03:29] <bob2> Phusion: they're owned by the "audio" group, which you're in
[03:29] <bob2> by default at least
[03:29] <Phusion> well the owner, not the group
[03:29] <christopher> bob2, will i have to make a script?
[03:29] <Phusion> when I reboot it doesn't work, when I chown it works
[03:30] <b> ok...go to linmodems site and see if it is supported under linux
[03:30] <b> do a google search
[03:30] <bob2> Phusion: then you need to add yourself to the audio group
[03:30] <bob2> Phusion: by default on ubuntu you are in it
[03:30] <bob2> christopher: or the person who wrote it has to
[03:30] <b> if it is then the module will be specified
[03:30] <Phusion> hrmm
[03:30] <bob2> christopher: or you can add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, I guess
[03:30] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[03:30] <Ominus> well... i went to ubuntu forum... and some ppl were having probs too... but they post some solution that didn't help me..
[03:30] <Dreamer3> does gnomemeeting as shipped with ubuntu work with netmeeting?
[03:31] <b> which solution?
[03:31] <DonL> Sorry, Dreamer3 , don't use it myself
[03:31] <Ominus> using setserial
[03:31] <fr500> calc, i guess there is an algorythm to get the hex key based on passphrase
[03:32] <b> um...never had luck with setserial....load the serial module if necessary through modprobe
[03:32] <fr500> so the thing it lacks is the gui and the algorythm right?
[03:32] <b> but it should be already there
[03:32] <b> and kppp has a list of available ports
[03:32] <bob2> setserial doesn't load modules for anything
[03:33] <b> I know bob
[03:33] <Ominus> usind lspci i can find my modem... junt... in COmputer/System COnfiguration/network ... it cant auto detect...
[03:33] <Phusion> so I just went to the permissions tab in the ubuntu users and groups applet, I imagine I don't want to change my main group to audio, I selected "use audio devices"
[03:33] <thoreauputic> and kppp isn't installed by default in ubuntu, obviously
[03:34] <DonL> I'm off for now. Thanks for the help and chat
[03:34] <Ominus> even pppconfig could auto detect it..
[03:34] <bob2> lspci doesn't detect anything
[03:34] <b> load kppp..obviously
[03:34] <b> it is easiest
[03:34] <bob2> b: how would that help?
[03:34] <b> kppp?
[03:34] <bob2> Phusion: 'sudo adduser blah audio', where blah is your user name
[03:34] <bob2> b: yes
[03:34] <geppy> What's the OSS alternative to Picasa?
[03:34] <Yomic> I can't get Ubuntu to detect my sound card
[03:34] <Phusion> ok
[03:34] <b> it gives a list of available ports in gui
[03:34] <thoreauputic> b, and comes with about 40MB of kde libraries you don't need
[03:35] <b> it is the most intuitive
[03:35] <geppy> (Picasa is Google's personal image filing and viewing system)
[03:35] <Phusion> "already a member of audio"
[03:35] <bob2> Yomic: what card is it, and do you have two in there?
[03:35] <bob2> b: that's a subjective statement
[03:35] <Yomic> One card; Allegro
[03:35] <b> gnome dialup is a nightmare in my opinion
[03:35] <Ominus> lol... you guys are confusing me even more...
[03:36] <bob2> Phusion: 'ls -ld /dev/snd/pcm*|head -n1' prints what?
[03:36] <b> well...I am obviously being challenged at every turn, yet I prolly have more hands on successful linux experience than most here....lol
[03:36] <andrewski> what can i do with a docbook file to read it?
[03:36] <Yomic> bob2: One card; Allegro
[03:37] <bob2> andrewski: it's xml, you want to voncert it to text or pdf or html or something, probably
[03:37] <bob2> b: ok
[03:37] <b> so I will shut up...if you want help come to private chat and I will get you going
[03:37] <andrewski> bob2: any recommendations on programs to do that?
[03:37] <bob2> but I don't htink "install kppp" is useful advice for someone trying to get their modem to work
[03:38] <bob2> andrewski: docbook2blah (blah = pdf, html, etc) in docbook-utils
[03:38] <b> bob it is...do your homework there
[03:38] <b> kppp is far better for newbs
[03:38] <farruinn> b: taht may be, but using gnome and kde together may not
[03:38] <b> or we can try pon and poff
[03:38] <bob2> please don't tell me to "do my homework"
[03:39] <b> then leave me alone
[03:39] <bob2> how is this easier than pppconfig?
[03:39] <stuNNed> wvdial i likes
[03:39] <thoreauputic> b bob2 is kind of.. rather knowledgeable... so far you've madea number of statements that were demonstrably wrong
[03:39] <b> why use synaptic then bob , u make no sense
[03:39] <calc> daniels: is closing the lid on a laptop supposed to put it in sleep mode yet?
[03:39] <b> wrong?  how?
[03:40] <statico> nick p
[03:40] <fr500> calc, it works on warty it's at the wiki page
[03:40] <b> number of statements?
[03:40] <b> lol
[03:40] <bob2> b: synaptic is fine, and installed by default and doesn't pull in megs of KDE libraries.
[03:40] <fr500> u just need to enable it
[03:40] <calc> i guess its called suspend to ram, not suspend to disk (hibernate)
[03:40] <b> 40 megs is nothing
[03:40] <calc> i managed to get hibernate to work more or less
[03:40] <andrewski> can y'all take this argument elsewhere?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> b for instance a command that works for slapt-get that you assumed was the same for apt-get
[03:40] <bob2> calc: with swsusp or acpi s4?
[03:41] <b> small error, from a breadth of knowledge, not ignorance
[03:41] <bob2> we're not here to lord knowledge over people
[03:41] <calc> bob2: the gnome logout hibernate option
[03:41] <bob2> calc: ah
[03:41] <bob2> this argument is OT, anyway, so let's move on
[03:41] <thoreauputic> b well, I'm glad you are so learned - enjoy
[03:41] <calc> but closing my lid doesn't seem to make it suspend to ram, since usually it indicates that by blinking the led
[03:41] <geppy> Where does Ubuntu have the USB devices?  Under Fedora, it was /dev/sdax
[03:41] <fr500> calc, for suspend to disk u gotta read the software suspend part
[03:42] <calc> fr500: already got suspend to disk working :)
[03:42] <calc> fr500: it just works by default now
[03:42] <b> look---all I did was suggest kppp for help in getting ahold of software modem...I have used it successfully   heave you>?
[03:42] <fr500> calc, so u can hibernate
[03:42] <fr500> well i tried and it worked
[03:42] <geppy> I'm trying to get the photos off of my camera, but gthumb refuses to cooperate, and I can't find the device in /dev to mount it
[03:42] <calc> but i am looking at the docs to see if i can get it to sleep (ram)
[03:43] <fr500> but wifi support broke down
[03:43] <Yomic> bob2: One card; Allegro
[03:43] <bob2> calc: that's editable
[03:43] <bob2> Yomic: I saw
[03:43] <fr500> it's easier
[03:43] <bob2> Yomic: ask on the users list, I guess
[03:43] <fr500> it's there on the wiki
[03:43] <delltony> is there a download manager that ubuntu supports yet i noticed "d4x" is in universe but not supported yet according to bugzilla
[03:43] <bob2> calc: but I can't remember which config file it's in
[03:43] <fr500> u using warty?
[03:43] <Yomic> users list?
[03:43] <calc> bob2: i think i found it in the wiki
[03:43] <farruinn> geppy: shouldn't that sort of thing automount?
[03:43] <bob2> calc: you can hack /etc/acpi/lid.sh, anyway
[03:43] <calc> yea i see its disabled by default
[03:43] <calc> but hibernate is enabled by default, i guess ram is more iffy
[03:44] <Ominus> b, respond pvt plz?
[03:44] <calc> i'll be right back, hopefully, testing ram
[03:44] <bob2> calc: hm, no, not a config file option
[03:44] <geppy> farruinn:  It should.   Automount has worked for me in the past, but I'm on a fresh Hoary install with a different camera, now.  It's a supported Olympus model;  I'm not sure what's wrong, exactly.
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Yomic: http://lists.ubuntu.com
[03:44] <fr500> calc, the problem with lid.sh is that if u sleep with a butto for example and then close lid it will turn on
[03:44] <bob2> calc: yeah, suspend to ram breaks horribly on some machines
[03:44] <Yomic> Thanks, thoreaputic.
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Yomic: you're welcome :)
[03:45] <jdub> jdubtv! -> http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/
[03:45] <delltony> bob2, do you happen to know the link right off on that information i'm having i believe the same kinda issue when i shut my led on hoary i can't seem to recover not all the time but alot of the time
[03:46] <bob2> delltony: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[03:46] <delltony> ok thanks
[03:47] <calc> fr500: yea, i'm just trying to make it sleep at all right now
[03:47] <geppy> How can I get mp3 support for gstreamer?
[03:47] <bob2> geppy: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:48] <geppy> bob2:  Danke, couldn't remember the mad bit.
[03:49] <fr500> i'm noob to scripting
[03:50] <fr500> i want to make bash script so i can double click wsz files an they ove to .bmp/Skins
[03:50] <fr500> any pointers
[03:50] <fr500> all i need is a way to get the filename
[03:51] <fr500> i thought maybe %something
[03:51] <andrewski> fr500: there's a good bash scripting howto online, an hour's reading of which would get you what you need.
[03:52] <fr500> ok
[03:52] <andrewski> fr500: the filename you can get by passing it as 'script %symbol' from your filemanager.
[03:52] <fr500> i'll look for it
[03:52] <Feiten> How can i find my Dacode passord?
[03:52] <andrewski> fr500: it's called "advanced", but don't let that fool you. :P
[03:52] <fr500> okie
[03:52] <fr500> only % works?
[03:52] <calc> which package is vbetool in, i noticed it was missing when it tried to sleep
[03:52] <andrewski> fr500: dunno, depends on the filemanager.
[03:53] <fr500> ok
[03:53] <lunitik> calc: uhh... 'vbetool'  ;)
[03:54] <calc> hmm apt/apt-cache can't find it for some reason
[03:54] <geppy> farruinn:  Any ideas?
[03:54] <fr500> hmmm only % doesnt work
[03:54] <kimcascone> another newbie q...anyone?
[03:54] <fr500> i'll look for the docs
[03:54] <fr500> kimcascone, just ask
[03:54] <kimcascone> its about getting audio out on my iBook
[03:55] <_jon_> kimcascone: just ask
[03:55] <kimcascone> I installed Ubuntu and it is running
[03:55] <kimcascone> OK
[03:55] <kimcascone> but no sound from CDplayer
[03:55] <lunitik> calc: strange... its in main... depended on by 'ubuntu-base'
[03:55] <andrewski> kimcascone: muted?
[03:55] <lunitik> uhh... -desktop
[03:55] <farruinn> geppy: sorry, I'm not an expert with usb/devices
[03:55] <calc> lunitik: interesting
[03:55] <fr500> kimcascone, do u have other sounds?
[03:55] <geppy> farruinn:  Alright, thanks.
[03:55] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: you need  to use digital output on an ibook
[03:55] <kimcascone> where do I select this?>
[03:55] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: I had the same issue on mine
[03:56] <kimcascone> I found it on xmms
[03:56] <kimcascone> but not on the default player
[03:56] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: yes, configure the cd plugin on xmms
[03:56] <kimcascone> I checked mute thru the control planel
[03:56] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: I renamed the gnome cd player (bit of a hack)
[03:56] <calc> lunitik: ah i see why now, its only for i386
[03:56] <calc> lunitik: i'm on amd64
[03:56] <lunitik> calc: ahh... makes sense
[03:57] <kimcascone> I also have tumbler for OSS and also
[03:57] <farruinn> kimcascone: gnome cdplayer doesn't do the digital output
[03:57] <kimcascone> alsa
[03:57] <kimcascone> ok where do I switch to digital
[03:57] <kimcascone> ?
[03:57] <_jon_> lunitik: you can't
[03:57] <lunitik> _jon_: that sucks... I have a ghost   :(
[03:57] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: the default player won't do it
[03:57] <kimcascone> ok so the cdplayer doesn't work on the iBook?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> right
[03:58] <_jon_> lunitik: is it you that logged in and lost the session somewhere or is it someone on your name
[03:58] <kimcascone> I also have xmms
[03:58] <thoreauputic> nor on any box without a wire from CD-ROM to sound card
[03:58] <Brunellus> yaaaay, it works!
[03:58] <kimcascone> I futzed around witht eh settings in xmms
[03:58] <lunitik> _jon_: for whatever reason, konversation logs in twice, and I closed that session...
[03:58] <kimcascone> still nada
[03:58] <farruinn> kimcascone: you'll have to use xmms or something similar
[03:58] <kimcascone> got xmms
[03:58] <lunitik> _jon_: but apparently 'lunitik_' is still following me  :(
[03:59] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: preferences for the cd plugin
[03:59] <_jon_> lunitik: i have no idea
[03:59] <thoreauputic> in xmms
[03:59] <kimcascone> can I add this to my applications on the menu bar?
[03:59] <farruinn> lunitik: I'm pretty sure it will go away eventually
[03:59] <_jon_> lunitik: maybe use a different client
[03:59] <lunitik> _jon_: eh...
[04:00] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: actually beep-media-player is easier for CDs - just right-click and choose "play CD'
[04:00] <Brunellus> is anybody running the weather applet?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: yes
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: the gnome panel applet?
[04:00] <Brunellus> yeah, that one
[04:00] <thoreauputic> yep
[04:00] <Brunellus> it worked just a second ago
[04:01] <Brunellus> and now I'm showing 'unavailable'
[04:01] <kimcascone> can I get beep via synaptic package manager?
[04:01] <Brunellus> h'mmmm.
[04:01] <lunitik> _jon_: I have no real use for screen, and irssi is more awkward than is necissary...
[04:01] <optish> i am wondering about how to enter custom refresh rates because my monitor/videocard lacks DDC support....are modelines in xorgconfig my solution?
[04:01] <farruinn> kimcascone: yes, but it might be in universe
[04:01] <kimcascone> ok
[04:01] <_jon_> lunitik: really? i don't find it awkward at all
[04:02] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: yes - in the universe repo
[04:02] <kimcascone> will xmms work as well?
[04:02] <kimcascone> since I have that laready
[04:02] <kimcascone> already
[04:02] <thoreauputic> xmms will work but it's a bit less intuitive to set up for CDs
[04:02] <kimcascone> that's OK I don't need intuitive...walk me thru it?
[04:02] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  are you getting a weather report now?
[04:02] <Brunellus> I'm just trying to figure out how this works...
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: yes
[04:03] <Brunellus> are you behind a router?
[04:03] <thoreauputic> No
[04:03] <thoreauputic> dial-up
[04:03] <Brunellus> oh.  OK.
[04:03] <geppy> How can I set it so that my computer caches less?  I have some six hundred megs of cache in RAM, right now.  This seems like an awful waste of memory.
[04:04] <geppy> Not that it's really a problem until I try to open something new... =/
[04:04] <lunitik> geppy: how so? its better to actually use it, than have it just chill there...
[04:04] <kimcascone> ok just tell me what I need to do to get xmms working?
[04:04] <kimcascone> :)
[04:04] <lunitik> geppy: you want memory to be around 90% used... CPU is what you want to be lower   ;)
[04:04] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: options .. preferences...
[04:05] <kimcascone> ok
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Audio IO plugins
[04:05] <geppy> lunitik:  Well, I can't figure out why my computer is lagging so horribly.  I've been waiting five minutes or so for this CD to mount, which doesn't really need much RAM, but I'm getting 50% load average.  My CPU is at %11 usage, and that's mostly my sound applications.
[04:05] <kimcascone> ok
[04:05] <thoreauputic> highlight CD Audio Player >> configure
[04:06] <kimcascone> ok
[04:06] <thoreauputic> check digital audio extraction
[04:06] <kimcascone> its pointing to /dev/cdrom
[04:06] <saphari_> hello folks
[04:06] <kimcascone> got
[04:06] <kimcascone> got it
[04:06] <chase> im having a problem setting up XFree86 on my new machine. Its pritty much the same as in the forum here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1534.html
[04:06] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: you can change where it points if necessary
[04:06] <chase> ive followed everything it says but im still getting no where
[04:07] <kimcascone> tried pointing it to audio and dsp neither worked
[04:07] <kimcascone> what out output driver?
[04:07] <kimcascone> I have it on OSS
[04:07] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: to stop the default player popping up, you can rename it to gnome-cd.bak or whatever - ugly but it works
[04:07] <Brunellus> ugh.  I can't work out why I'm not getting any output from the weather applet.
[04:08] <chase> the on screen out put from XFree86 is 'Module loader present' and the logs (which ive uploaded to stuart.iduniken.com/X.log) say 'siganl caught 11'
[04:08] <chase> can anyone help me with this?
[04:08] <geppy> lunitik:  I think I'll just reboot.  =(
[04:08] <kimcascone> thoreauputic: should I have it on OSS?>
[04:08] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: mine is on OSS
[04:08] <cbgb> how   caan i change the fonts in kde?
[04:09] <kimcascone> ok still no audio...
[04:09] <saphari_> i got xmms installed and ready to go and i still don't get any music :'(,  very dramatic here
[04:09] <Brunellus> saphari:
[04:09] <Brunellus> google is your friend
[04:09] <lunitik> cbgb: kcontrol > Appearence and Themes > Fonts?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: oops wrong box :)  I'll look on the iBook
[04:09] <Brunellus> google "ubuntu" and "mp3"
[04:09] <kimcascone> saphari_: I'm tackling the same problem
[04:09] <Brunellus> you will need to enable the "multiverse" repository in synaptic
[04:10] <saphari_> that has all been done
[04:10] <Brunellus> and install the appropriate package that will encode/unencode mp3s
[04:10] <Brunellus> oh, ok.
[04:10] <crazydeb8r> hey yos
[04:10] <lunitik> Brunellus: unencode as apposed to decode?
[04:10] <lil_anthony> question for some reason when i restart hoary i get kernel panic -not syncing: I/0 error reading memory image
[04:10] <lil_anthony> is there any way to recover from this without a reinstall?
[04:10] <neom> Anyone know the best way to test box security?
[04:10] <Brunellus> decode.  right.
[04:10] <Brunellus> sorry.
[04:11] <Yomic> Does GAIM have international version support? (YjIM)
[04:11] <Yomic> OR does it need plugins and such?
[04:12] <crazydeb8r> Question: how do I configure a plugin so Mozilla will play videos in browser?
[04:12] <kimcascone> xmms just started working...weird!
[04:12] <lunitik> neom: nessus
[04:12] <lunitik> Yomic: yes
[04:12] <kimcascone> ok does anyone now how to get audio out of a USB audio device?
[04:12] <Yomic> How so, lunitik?
[04:12] <veristead> hey i need some help
[04:12] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: yep the iBook says OSS too here
[04:12] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: 'apt-get install mozilla-mplayer'
[04:13] <veristead> i am attempting to install the ppc version of Ubuntu
[04:13] <lunitik> Yomic: never played with it, but they support like 14 languages
[04:13] <veristead> and i just upgraded to a new HD
[04:13] <veristead> and already got all my mac stuff on it
[04:13] <veristead> and i partioned the drive
[04:13] <veristead> both in Mac OS X extended format
[04:13] <kimcascone> thoreauputic: it just suddenly started working
[04:13] <veristead> err.
[04:13] <veristead> Apple Extended format
[04:13] <veristead> whatever
[04:14] <veristead> and seemeingly it does not recognize that the drive is partitioned
[04:14] <veristead> and wants to partition it again
[04:14] <kimcascone> is there a way to point audio to the USB?
[04:14] <Yomic> No, no. I mean do they support Yahoo Japan Instant Messenger (It is different from YIM)
[04:14] <veristead> what am i doing wrong?
[04:14] <crazydeb8r> lunatik: I have that, it doesn't work.
[04:14] <lunitik> Yomic: oh... no
[04:15] <lil_anthony> anyone?
[04:15] <Yomic> :/
[04:15] <crazydeb8r> it loads the videos but won't actually play them
[04:15] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: hmm - mystical computers....
[04:15] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: do you have the applicable codecs installed? did it put anything in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins?
[04:15] <crazydeb8r> checking...
[04:16] <kimcascone> I have powerMac tumbler installed and both the OSS and ALSA seem to affect the volume...is this correct behaviior?
[04:16] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: ps, your text turns 'yellow' because someone said your name...
[04:16] <veristead> anyone???
[04:16] <veristead> can anyone help me?
[04:16] <lunitik> veristead: if we could... we would have.
[04:16] <jesuel> mmmm WoW :)
[04:17] <goldfish> veristead: ubuntu needs empty space to install
[04:17] <veristead> yea it has empty space
[04:17] <Darwin> hello elec_
[04:17] <goldfish> veristead: not a partition
[04:17] <veristead> wtf
[04:17] <goldfish> u have made 2 partitions, yeah?
[04:17] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: thanks. yes, it put two files there
[04:17] <veristead> yes i have
[04:18] <goldfish> veristead: yeah, u only make one for mac stuff, and leave the rest empty
[04:18] <veristead> one is in jst shy of 8GB
[04:18] <goldfish> veristead: i.e no file system on it
[04:18] <veristead> yea i did that
[04:18] <goldfish> oh right
[04:18] <lil_anthony> questino when you get kernel panic are you screwed?
[04:18] <veristead> but when i go to install it
[04:18] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: and you have the codecs installed?
[04:18] <crazydeb8r> wait, only 1 file
[04:18] <veristead> i am not sure which one to select
[04:18] <Darwin> how do boot floppy in ubuntu?
[04:18] <veristead> it seems to find about 12 different partitions
[04:19] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: I think I do, but I'm not sure. I installed mplayer too, but if the codecs are not in that file...then no
[04:19] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: then no
[04:19] <calc> hmm so mem oops standby does absolutely nothing (afaict) and disk works fine
[04:19] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: you may want to install those.
[04:19] <kimcascone> any info on usb audio? is there a driver or something I need to do to get audio out my USB device?
[04:19] <Brunellus> why does ubuntu tell me that I need to set up NTP when synaptic tells me NTP is already installed?
[04:19] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: okay, from the mplayer site i assume? thanks.
[04:20] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: yes.. get the 'all' package though, not just 'essential'.
[04:20] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: alright. where should I put them?
[04:21] <saphari_> anyone use xmms?
[04:21] <kimcascone> saphari_: I am
[04:22] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: /usr/lib/win32
[04:22] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: thanks, and sorry bout the msg
[04:22] <saphari_> you got it working?
[04:22] <kimcascone> ja
[04:22] <kimcascone> it suddenly started working
[04:22] <lunitik> Brunellus: because you need 'ntp-server' to do what you're trying to do
[04:22] <kimcascone> check the prefs
[04:22] <crazydeb8r> hey saphari_ ever get sound up?
[04:22] <kimcascone> audio i/o
[04:22] <saphari_> no
[04:23] <crazydeb8r> that stinks.
[04:23] <kimcascone> r u on an iBook?
[04:23] <veristead> ... i am looking at the documentation and it is telling me that i need to manually edit the partition table
[04:23] <veristead> and i found my partition
[04:23] <veristead> but how do i tell ubuntu to install to that partition
[04:23] <saphari_> i put in the cd and it won't come up under xmms
[04:23] <veristead> i am a little worried that it won't properly do it without deleting everything
[04:24] <veristead> i have one partition with all my file on it
[04:24] <kimcascone> saphari_: are you on an iBook?
[04:24] <veristead> the other is 100% empty
[04:24] <saphari_> laptop?
[04:24] <b> Veristeed, what are you trying to install?
[04:24] <kimcascone> yes
[04:24] <veristead> ubuntu
[04:24] <saphari_> yes
[04:24] <farruinn> veristead: you should back up all your data and repartition
[04:24] <veristead> i jst got it
[04:24] <kimcascone> an iBook laptop?
[04:24] <kimcascone> or a PC?
[04:24] <b> you must set the partition to be "/" root
[04:24] <farruinn> veristead: oh, you already have 2 partitions?
[04:24] <veristead> yea
[04:24] <saphari_> acer travelmate
[04:24] <veristead> i already have it
[04:24] <kimcascone> ok
[04:25] <kimcascone> shouldn't matter but...
[04:25] <veristead> but i am not sure how to select which one to install to
[04:25] <b> then it will install to root partition only
[04:25] <farruinn> veristead: is it formatted or is it "free space"?
[04:25] <lil_anthony> whats the command in ubuntu to boot say dev/hda for some reason grub got borked
[04:25] <kimcascone> so the CD doens't mount at all?
[04:25] <veristead> formatted
[04:25] <veristead> and right under it it says 8.1kb freespace
[04:25] <b> it will format and install to the "/"root partition
[04:25] <veristead> should i change it?
[04:25] <saphari_> it does to the rythbox
[04:26] <farruinn> b: he'll need swap and /boot though, right?
[04:26] <veristead> farruinn
[04:26] <kimcascone> so rythmbox recognizes the CD?
[04:26] <saphari_> yes
[04:26] <b> I do not use swap or root because I have a big ram
[04:26] <kimcascone> ok did you close rb before opening xmms?
[04:26] <b> boot
[04:26] <veristead> i was thinking of rebooting into OS X and changing the format to none
[04:26] <b> I use only root for all
[04:26] <veristead> so as not to format that partiton
[04:26] <saphari_> yes
[04:26] <kimcascone> did you check the prefs?
[04:26] <kimcascone> in xmms>
[04:26] <kimcascone> ?
[04:26] <farruinn> veristead: so you have os x on one partition, how big is the other partition?
[04:27] <saphari_> yeah,  but i don't know what i am doing
[04:27] <veristead> i have the OS X installed on a partition of 19GB and the other is jst shy of 8GB
[04:27] <farruinn> veristead: does the other have any data on it?
[04:27] <kimcascone> open the prefs in xmms
[04:27] <veristead> nope
[04:27] <veristead> none
[04:27] <saphari_> ok hang on
[04:28] <farruinn> veristead: then first you want to delete it so you have ~8 GB free space there
[04:28] <veristead> i am at the step of where i edit the partitons
[04:28] <kimcascone> there is a tiny 'O' on the left of the time display
[04:28] <b> Veristead : I take it you want to have a dual boot system...
[04:28] <veristead> no..
[04:28] <farruinn> veristead: no?
[04:28] <veristead> well sorta
[04:28] <veristead> i do
[04:28] <kimcascone> click on the 'O' and you'll see a putt down menu
[04:28] <kimcascone> pull down
[04:28] <veristead> i mean i dnt want them running at the same time
[04:28] <farruinn> veristead: you want os x and ubuntu, right? =)
[04:28] <veristead> yea
[04:28] <veristead> so yea i guess you are right
[04:29] <b> of course they wont run at the same time
[04:29] <kimcascone> or do a Ctl-P for the pref window
[04:29] <farruinn> b: they can
[04:29] <b> I know...
[04:29] <farruinn> veristead: so you want to manually edit the partition table (I think the option is called something like that)
[04:29] <b> but that is what he said he didnt want
[04:29] <crazydeb8r> hey durin42
[04:29] <saphari_> ok got it
[04:30] <b> do you want to hide one partition from the other?
[04:30] <veristead> i am at the partition window and i found the partition it says 8.5GB but it say only 8.5KB free space
[04:30] <kimcascone> click on audio i/o
[04:30] <kimcascone> plugins
[04:30] <veristead> yea i did farruin
[04:30] <veristead> i am there now
[04:30] <veristead> that is what i am looking at
[04:30] <farruinn> veristead: ok, delete the 8.5 GB partition (the one without data on it)
[04:30] <saphari_> k
[04:30] <veristead> so i need to restart in OS X and do that?
[04:30] <veristead> or can i do that here?
[04:30] <kimcascone> it should be set to CD Audio PLayer 1.2.10 [libcaudio.so] 
[04:31] <farruinn> veristead: nope, just select it and push enter I believe
[04:31] <veristead> ah ok
[04:31] <veristead> hld on
[04:31] <veristead> went back by mistake
[04:31] <kimcascone> make sure CD Audio Player is highlighted
[04:32] <kimcascone> and click on configure
[04:32] <veristead> ok.. so i am at the editing where it says Name: Usage Method. etc.
[04:32] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: heh - you have learnt well, Grasshopper ;-)
[04:32] <veristead> and it gives 'done setting up the partition' 'copy data from another partition'
[04:32] <veristead> 'delete the partition'
[04:32] <farruinn> veristead: you'll want to delete the partition
[04:32] <veristead> i want to delete it
[04:32] <kimcascone> yeah once you get the proper training it is ez! ;)
[04:33] <veristead> and now i will only have one partition?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: ;-)
[04:33] <veristead> ok
[04:33] <veristead> so that is done
[04:33] <saphari_> ok
[04:33] <Jmax1632> omg
[04:33] <Jmax1632> omg!
[04:33] <veristead> :-\
[04:33] <Jmax1632> i'm getting "kernel panic -not syncing : I/O error handling reading memory image"
[04:33] <veristead> interesting
[04:33] <kimcascone> saphari_: now you amke sure the digital audio exrtaction button is pressed
[04:33] <Jmax1632> i think i know how to fix it....!
[04:33] <veristead> now the partition doesn't show up
[04:33] <farruinn> veristead: right, you got rid of it, you should have a bunch of free space
[04:34] <Jmax1632> how do i boot to a prompt!!!!!!!?????
[04:34] <veristead> yea 8.6GB
[04:34] <farruinn> veristead: you want to "automatically partition" that free space
[04:34] <veristead> ok... so hld on...
[04:34] <veristead> the only options are undo changes to partition
[04:34] <veristead> and finish partitioning and write changes to disk
[04:35] <saphari_> but a new window came up from the last thing
[04:35] <Jmax1632> OMG!
[04:35] <Jmax1632> OMG!
[04:35] <Jmax1632> i think it's crashing!
[04:35] <farruinn> veristead: sorry, select the free space and push return, it should let you "automatically parition"
[04:35] <kimcascone> ok what is the window?
[04:35] <Jmax1632> no
[04:35] <Jmax1632> wait
[04:35] <Jmax1632> it's ok
[04:35] <Jmax1632> whew
[04:35] <Jmax1632> so, any ideas?
[04:35] <veristead> ah
[04:35] <veristead> ic
[04:35] <kimcascone> it should be the CD player config window
[04:35] <veristead> ok
[04:35] <veristead> hld on
[04:35] <veristead> computing new partition
[04:35] <saphari_> yes
[04:35] <kimcascone> there is a small box with Play mode
[04:36] <veristead> ok
[04:36] <kimcascone> with analog and digital audio exrtaction
[04:36] <veristead> so that is done
[04:36] <saphari_> yes
[04:36] <veristead> and now it has a smiley face next to it
[04:36] <kimcascone> click on the digital audio extraction
[04:36] <veristead> and saying swap
[04:36] <Jmax1632> any idea?
[04:36] <Jmax1632> please help me
[04:36] <kimcascone> then click OK
[04:36] <veristead> and one black smiley face with an arrow that says boot
[04:36] <saphari_> ok
[04:37] <kimcascone> any sound?
[04:37] <farruinn> veristead: good, go to "write changes to disk" or whatever it is, you're done partitioning
[04:37] <veristead> and then the options that it gives me are undo changes to partitin
[04:37] <saphari_> do i close these windows?
[04:37] <Jmax1632> any ideas?
[04:37] <Jmax1632> please tell me you can help
[04:37] <veristead> ok
[04:37] <kimcascone> leave the prefs open for now
[04:37] <Jmax1632> i'm freaking out
[04:37] <Jmax1632> over here
[04:37] <veristead> hld on
[04:37] <veristead> it says partition 11 and 12
[04:37] <Jmax1632> omg
[04:37] <kimcascone> what is the Output plugin window pointing to?
[04:37] <veristead> er
[04:37] <Jmax1632> omg omg omg
[04:38] <veristead> ok
[04:38] <kimcascone> inb the prefs whindow
[04:38] <kimcascone> ?
[04:38] <veristead> it's working on it now
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Jmax1632: take a deep breath - the end is not  yet
[04:38] <veristead> i hope it didn't touch my OS X one
[04:38] <saphari_> the cd still wanted to play on the rb
[04:38] <kimcascone> I have mine pointing to the OSS driver
[04:38] <saphari_> i have sound
[04:38] <Jmax1632> thoreauputic: *DEEP BREATH*
[04:38] <veristead> i need those files
[04:38] <farruinn> veristead: it would have had a skull and crossbones next to it if it had =)
[04:38] <kimcascone> is rb opening automatically?
[04:38] <Jmax1632> how do you boot to a shell in hoary from a cd
[04:38] <Jmax1632> ?
[04:38] <kimcascone> when you load a CD in?>
[04:38] <saphari_> yes
[04:38] <saphari_> yes
[04:38] <Jmax1632> i think i can fix it there?
[04:38] <kimcascone> ok close rb
[04:38] <veristead> well they all had smiley faces and one remained in apple HFS format
[04:39] <veristead> so i assume that is a good thing
[04:39] <Brunellus> hooray.  network time sync
[04:39] <kimcascone> go to the applications in the main menu bar
[04:39] <farruinn> veristead: you should be fine then
[04:39] <kimcascone> and open the Run Application
[04:39] <Brunellus> now about this weather thingie.
[04:39] <kimcascone> command
[04:39] <Jmax1632> how do you boot to a shell in hoary from a cd?
[04:39] <Jmax1632> any ideas?
[04:39] <kimcascone> type in xmms
[04:39] <kimcascone> and hit run
[04:39] <farruinn> Jmax1632: install cd or livecd?
[04:39] <Yomic> Where can I get access to the Yahoo-j chat server?
[04:39] <veristead> well i am glad i still have the original 10GB drive
[04:39] <veristead> with all the files on it
[04:40] <Yomic> As a normal Yahoo-j user.
[04:40] <kimcascone> I'm assuming that you have closed xmms...?
[04:40] <saphari_> command first?
[04:40] <veristead> i would highly suggest that no one ever attempt to put a new hd in an iBook unless you know what you are doing
[04:40] <kimcascone> close 1st
[04:40] <veristead> it is very hard to open
[04:40] <kimcascone> then command run app xmms
[04:40] <veristead> and i may have lost a couple of screws
[04:40] <Yomic> Do I have to WINE it or is there a Yahoo-J client for linux?
[04:40] <Jmax1632> farruinn: install cd
[04:40] <kimcascone> make sure the cd is already in the cdrom
[04:41] <veristead> ubuntu should have a live CD for ppc
[04:41] <farruinn> veristead: there will be for hoary
[04:41] <kimcascone> xmms should launch and see the cd...
[04:41] <veristead> ok
[04:41] <veristead> good
[04:41] <farruinn> veristead: I should say, there *is* one for hoary =)
[04:41] <jdub> veristead: you can test the hoary ppc livecd right now!
[04:41] <veristead> when does hoary come out
[04:41] <veristead> oh
[04:41] <veristead> kool
[04:41] <veristead> can they ship or do i need to d/l
[04:41] <Jmax1632> farruinn: install cd... any ideas?
[04:41] <kimcascone> any luck?
[04:42] <veristead> what is the desktop environment
[04:42] <veristead> Gnome?
[04:42] <veristead> KDE?
[04:42] <farruinn> Jmax1632: alt+F2 will get you a shell, but unless you know what you're doing it's going to be a real pain
[04:42] <farruinn> veristead: gnome
[04:42] <veristead> on Ubuntu?
[04:42] <veristead> ah
[04:42] <veristead> i enjoy KDE's interface
[04:42] <veristead> it's a little sexier
[04:42] <veristead> i bet it can be compiled
[04:42] <farruinn> veristead: did you read any of the website or did you just go to the download page? ;)
[04:42] <veristead> though
[04:42] <veristead> i went to the ship it page
[04:42] <veristead> without really reading
[04:42] <saphari_> no
[04:42] <veristead> lol
[04:43] <kimcascone> hmmm...
[04:43] <veristead> anyone ever attempt to install Ubuntu to an iPod b4
[04:43] <veristead> ?
[04:43] <kimcascone> so what is xmms doing?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> veristead: you don't need to compile kde - it's available in the universe repository
[04:43] <lunitik> Not even in Debian Experimental afaict
[04:43] <saphari_> nothing
[04:43] <Jmax1632> farruinn: i added resume=/dev/hda1 ro to the grub and did sudo update-grub , and now i'm borked
[04:43] <Jmax1632> please help
[04:44] <kimcascone> also make sure you have selected files to play in the play files menu
[04:44] <saphari_> why is one of the letters highlighted on it?
[04:44] <veristead> ooo... iTunes should be ported to Linux if it ain't already
[04:45] <kimcascone> on what?
[04:45] <kimcascone> the playlist?
[04:45] <saphari_> the d
[04:45] <veristead> if only apple cared about Linux
[04:45] <kimcascone> that makes the app UI larger
[04:45] <Jmax1632> farruinn: PLEASE HELP!!!
[04:45] <kimcascone> for xmms
[04:46] <saphari_> ok
[04:46] <kimcascone> that doesn't matter for now
[04:46] <saphari_> ok
[04:46] <farruinn> Jmax1632: please don't yell at me, I know virtually nothing about GRUB so I don't think my help would be very usefull
[04:46] <lunitik> veristead: never gonna happen... Darwin tries to compete
[04:46] <kimcascone> so is there a cd in the drive?
[04:46] <saphari_> yes
[04:46] <Jmax1632> does anyone?
[04:46] <veristead> stupid darwin
[04:46] <kimcascone> do you have a playlist?
[04:46] <cr4z3d> hmm.. i have a question. i downloaded the warty release for x86 off the site with bit torrent. i then inserted the burned cd into my laptop before boot hit enter when teh screen came up and it seemed to freeze at the APCI spot and never went anywhere do i just have to wait awhile or is something wrong?
[04:46] <veristead> it's called evolution
[04:47] <veristead> dnt fight it
[04:47] <saphari_> no
[04:47] <thoreauputic> kimcascone, saphari_ try opening the /media/cdrom directory
[04:47] <saphari_> it is all new
[04:47] <kimcascone> make a playlist
[04:47] <veristead> maybe someone could write a replica of it
[04:47] <veristead> that  basically is the same thing
[04:47] <lunitik> veristead: no... its called "I want to be in control, so, nana'
[04:47] <farruinn> veristead: there is an itunesish app installed by default
[04:47] <farruinn> veristead: some people have been able to make it use their iTunes music folder, but I haven't had any luck with that
[04:47] <veristead> and allows for music sharing that will support iTunes music sharing
[04:47] <cr4z3d> hmm can anyone help me?
[04:47] <lil_anthony> curious from the cd and being at a shell how do you mount hda so you can read its contents?
[04:48] <veristead> and recognizes the iPod
[04:48] <Brunellus> j
[04:48] <Brunellus> hmmmm
[04:48] <jesuel> uhg
[04:48] <Brunellus> it would seem that the gweather applet non-function is not uncommon.
[04:48] <kimcascone> also open your drives and media prefs
[04:48] <durin42> veristead: iTunes is borked in WINE, isn't it?
[04:48] <jesuel> downloading the update for WoW is sllllllllow :(
[04:48] <lunitik> durin42: I've seen it working actually.
[04:48] <saphari_> how
[04:49] <kimcascone> in thne desktop prefs/removable storage
[04:49] <durin42> lunitik: any links?
[04:49] <kimcascone> the main menu bar
[04:49] <farruinn> durin42: using the windows version of iTunes in WINE?
[04:49] <kimcascone> computer/desktop prefs/removable storage
[04:49] <durin42> farruinn: that was my thought
[04:50] <lunitik> durin42: to what exactly?
[04:50] <kimcascone> make sure play audio when CD inserted is checked
[04:50] <farruinn> durin42: hadn't thought of that, I'm going to try to use it with mac-on-linux
[04:50] <kimcascone> also there is a command in the command text field
[04:50] <durin42> farruinn: ahh...I was thinking for i386 people
[04:51] <saphari_> yeah
[04:51] <kimcascone> its checked?
[04:51] <saphari_> yes
[04:51] <farruinn> lunitik: new Rhythmbox? as in hoary's?
[04:51] <durin42> lunitik: can it read/make iTunes shares?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> farruinn: works in mac-on-linux
[04:51] <lunitik> farruinn: yes
[04:51] <farruinn> thoreauputic: cool
[04:51] <lunitik> durin42: no idea
[04:51] <farruinn> lunitik: cool =)
[04:52] <thoreauputic> farruinn: so does windows media player :)
[04:52] <durin42> lunitik: any idea where you found that iTunes/WINE thing?
[04:52] <kimcascone> ok
[04:52] <veristead> i would love it if i could listen to iTunes shared music with another Ubuntu app
[04:52] <kimcascone> close that window
[04:52] <lunitik> durin42: umm... a computer at school?
[04:52] <kimcascone> go to multimedia under applci8ations
[04:52] <kimcascone> and seeclt volume control
[04:53] <durin42> lunitik: um....I was thinking more in terms of a site that you might remember or something
[04:53] <kimcascone> make sure your not muted on any channel
[04:53] <lunitik> durin42: no... was just installed  :/
[04:53] <kimcascone> and your volume controls are up
[04:53] <veristead> i have a ghetto iBook
[04:53] <veristead> lol
[04:53] <lunitik> durin42: worked out of the box, so to speak
[04:53] <veristead> i have to tape the CD drive closed
[04:54] <durin42> lunitik: ah...perhaps I should try playing with it on my box here.
[04:54] <veristead> which actually is nice
[04:54] <farruinn> veristead: G3 or G4?
[04:54] <veristead> cuz sometimes i pop it open when i am typing
[04:54] <veristead> g3
[04:54] <veristead> 500
[04:54] <kimcascone> you should have an OSS mixer and a Alsa mixedr
[04:54] <lunitik> durin42: probably... but yeah... was even on Ubuntu  :P
[04:54] <veristead> 10GB (er what it came with)
[04:54] <veristead> upgraded to 30
[04:54] <kimcascone> make sure both have volumes up
[04:54] <crazydeb8r> iTunes on ubuntu...
[04:54] <veristead> 10 ain't enough
[04:54] <crazydeb8r> I'd love to see that
[04:54] <veristead> me as well
[04:54] <durin42> has anyone here heard of a way to playback Apple Lossless files through gstreamer or anything similar yet?
[04:55] <veristead> and access to the iTunes music store would not suck
[04:55] <crazydeb8r> durin42: not through gstreamer
[04:55] <lavigj> hey guys, earlier, someone was mentioning nvidia acceleration... does anyone happen to have that link kicking around still? I thought mine was going but I am starting to think I am wrong
[04:55] <veristead> however first
[04:55] <Brunellus> ok, I can't work this out.  I don't know what I did to break my weather applet
[04:55] <veristead> i hope Hoary has support for Airport extreme
[04:55] <Brunellus> but it's broken
[04:55] <veristead> cuz that would be nice
[04:55] <Brunellus> all I did was click "update" a few times!
[04:55] <Brunellus> ugh.
[04:56] <veristead> and if so they should make a driver for Ubuntu
[04:56] <thoreauputic> lavigj: hmm... binary drivers howto on ubuntulinux.org I think
[04:56] <farruinn> lavigj: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:56] <lunitik> veristead: Apple hates anything 'not made here'
[04:56] <Mazus> Can somone help me :( ??
[04:56] <lavigj> farruinn: thanks. is there a quick and easy way to see if it is working?
[04:56] <farruinn> veristead: sorry, no airport extreme for any distro of linux afaik
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Mazus: just ask, don't ask to ask
[04:57] <Mazus> :)
[04:57] <farruinn> lavigj: I'm pretty sure you get an nvidia splash screen when it's working
[04:57] <saphari_> when i click play on xmms,  this play files come up
[04:57] <lavigj> farruinn: ok, it very well may not be then
[04:57] <blah09> hey anyone here on fluxbox?
[04:57] <lavigj> thanks
[04:57] <Mazus> i can connect to my network under ubuntu like i can ping my other computers i just cant get onto the net
[04:57] <inc_> sup room
[04:57] <kimcascone> you need to add all the files on the cd to the play menu
[04:57] <Mazus> and ideas?
[04:57] <saphari_> how do i put the cd-rom on that play files
[04:57] <thoreauputic> blah09: not this minute, but often yes
[04:57] <inc_> anyone know of a embedded version of ubuntu
[04:57] <saphari_> how?
[04:58] <blah09> ah
[04:58] <thoreauputic> blah09: what's your question?
[04:58] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: where do i need to put those codecs again?
[04:58] <veristead> yay
[04:58] <veristead> it is booting
[04:58] <blah09> thoreauputic, is there a runbox like in gnome?
[04:58] <Mazus> :(
[04:58] <veristead> i am so happy
[04:58] <blah09> like when you hit alt-f2
[04:58] <thoreauputic> blah09:  yes, fbrun
[04:58] <kimcascone> hold I'm checking something
[04:58] <Brunellus> Ok.  I'm going to reboot and see if it does anything
[04:58] <blah09> hm, is there a hotkey for it?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> blah09: but which version of flux are you running?
[04:58] <Mazus> any got any ideas why i cant conenct to the net?
[04:59] <Mazus> pm me
[04:59] <Mazus> :)
[04:59] <blah09> the one on the ubuntu repositories
[04:59] <thoreauputic> blah09: define your hotkeys in ~/,fluxbox/keys
[04:59] <kimcascone> q: where would xmms be installed?
[04:59] <kimcascone> anbyone?
[04:59] <blah09> ahh thanks
[04:59] <thoreauputic> /usr/bin/xmms
[04:59] <blah09> 0.9.9-1
[04:59] <kimcascone> danke!
[04:59] <thoreauputic> blah09: k - that's fairly recent
[05:00] <inc_> any embedded version of ubuntu?
[05:00] <thoreauputic> blah09: lots of info on http://fluxbox.org
[05:00] <lavigj> hmmm... that might be bad.. /proc/pci: no such file or directory
[05:00] <blah09> thats not the sourceforge page is it?
[05:00] <Mazus> Does anyone why i can ping my other computers and like i just cant connect to the net
[05:00] <thoreauputic> blah09: no
[05:01] <lavigj> Mazus: try ping -n 4.2.2.2
[05:01] <Mazus> :o
[05:01] <kimcascone> ok I got xmms to come up when a CD is inserted
[05:01] <Mazus> yeah liek i can see the router and stuff i just cant conenct onto the net
[05:01] <saphari_> ok
[05:01] <blah09> ok ill check it out, thanks
[05:01] <Mazus> ill try that
[05:01] <Mazus> brb
[05:01] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: what did you do?
[05:02] <membreya> lo thoreauputic :)
[05:02] <kimcascone> saphari_: open the removable storge box again
[05:02] <thoreauputic> membreya: hi :)
[05:02] <kimcascone> under desktop prefs
[05:02] <kimcascone> where it says command
[05:02] <kimcascone> clik on browse
[05:02] <kimcascone> go to /usr/bin/xmms
[05:02] <kimcascone> and hot open
[05:02] <kimcascone> hit
[05:03] <veristead> updating stuff via the web
[05:03] <kimcascone> it should now saw /usr/bin/xmms in the command window
[05:03] <veristead> is xchat included by default?
[05:03] <farruinn> veristead: yes
[05:03] <veristead> cool
[05:03] <kimcascone> click close and now when you insert a cd the xmms player will come up in stead of the Gnome player
[05:03] <saphari_> ok slow down
[05:03] <lavigj> farruinn: cool, I appear to have been lacking the acceleration I had
[05:03] <lavigj> er, thought I had
[05:03] <kimcascone> sorry
[05:04] <veristead> how about flocinaucinihilipication X
[05:04] <muehlbucks> hi all, i did a dist-upgrade to hoary this afternoon, a few icons don't display properly on my desktop (trash, home, etc); however, i created a new user and the icons all display properly. any suggestions?
[05:04] <veristead> ?
[05:04] <Mazue> lol
[05:04] <veristead> is that included?
[05:04] <membreya> muehlbucks: have you checked nautilus settings?
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> err:shell:SHGetFolderPathW Failed to create directory 'L"C:\\windows\\profiles\\bluefox\\Desktop"'.
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> wine seems horribly busted.
[05:04] <muehlbucks> membreya: i shall, i'm new to gnome :-)
[05:05] <membreya> ok, go to applications > system tools > configuration editor.... then go to apps/nautilus/desktop
[05:05] <veristead> ok heading to bed now
[05:05] <muehlbucks> membreya: thanks
[05:05] <veristead> it will finish over night i assume
[05:06] <membreya> let me know if it works, then thank me :P
[05:06] <veristead> hey good news
[05:06] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: ah, yes - pops up but doesn't auto-play I think...
[05:06] <muehlbucks> membreya: hehe, i'm actually not sure how to proceed... the icons fail to appear on the panels and in menus
[05:06] <veristead> i jst ported iTunes over to Ubuntu
[05:07] <muehlbucks> membreya: i'm diggin in conf editor now
[05:07] <veristead> OMG IT IS AMAZING
[05:07] <Yomic> Can Gaim use Yahoo IM Japan?
[05:07] <veristead> iTUNES ON UBUNTU
[05:07] <membreya> muehlbucks: have you tried a reboot? :)
[05:07] <veristead> AMAZING
[05:07] <farruinn> veristead: hahah, go to bed ;)
[05:07] <muehlbucks> membreya: yes
[05:07] <veristead> srry it's the drugs
[05:07] <crazydeb8r> how do I open a smb share?
[05:07] <crazydeb8r> When i try it gives me a security messag
[05:07] <kimcascone> how do I run NTP support?
[05:08] <veristead> though if i had i probably would be getting laid tonite
[05:08] <kimcascone> for setting time via network
[05:08] <saphari_> desktop pref where does it say command?
[05:08] <farruinn> if I wanted to use mutt should I use fetchmail?
[05:08] <membreya> kimcascone: have you got ntp installed? :P
[05:08] <lunitik> kimcascone: already enabled... if you're getting messages saying 'no ntp' blah... install ntp-server or stop trying to do that.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> kimcascone: haven't worked that one out yet - i just run sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart once in a while
[05:09] <muehlbucks> membreya: is there an easy way i can restore my gnome settings to the default or skeleton settings?
[05:09] <lunitik> kimcascone: 'ntp' is installed, which is the client.. pointing at ntp.ubuntulinux.org ... time settings require less crack, but also ntp-server
[05:09] <kimcascone> in the synaptic manager?
[05:09] <membreya> thoreauputic: why don't you just let the clock in gnome control it ? :P
[05:09] <crazydeb8r> how can i get a smb share to open?
[05:09] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: kick it?
[05:09] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: haha. i wish. I get a security message when I try to
[05:09] <membreya> crazydeb8r: perhaps if you elaborate..exactly what are you trying
[05:09] <cr4z3d> hello i have a question about editing the file that checks everything at the begining.. i dont' have a floppy drive but for some reason it checks for one and hangs there
[05:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: oh? how is that done?
[05:10] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: heh... in firefox/nautilus etc... 'smb:///computername/
[05:10] <kimcascone> it installed so how do I run it? via command line?
[05:10] <membreya> thoreauputic: right click on your clock, go to adjust date & time and the select the option to periodically update from ntp server
[05:10] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: thx
[05:11] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: gnome-vfs smb support is kinda bad though  :/
[05:11] <Yomic> Can Gaim use Yahoo IM Japan?
[05:11] <billytwowilly> Yomic, it can use yahoo..
[05:11] <Yomic> I know.
[05:11] <billytwowilly> Yomic, is yahoo IM Japan different than normal Yahoo?
[05:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: tried that but it says it needs to be set up
[05:11] <Yomic> YIM != YIMJ
[05:11] <lunitik> Yomic: try it... just choose yahoo... and enter your username for Yahoo IM Japan.
[05:11] <membreya> install ntp-server then
[05:11] <billytwowilly> If Yahoo japan users can talk to Yahoo users then it should almost certainly be able to.
[05:11] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: I noticed. I tried just going through the network option in ubuntu, but it won't open it because it "could be a security riisk"
[05:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: without saying how, of course... hehe
[05:12] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: blah... haha... yeah... SMB support in gnome-vfs needs to not suck one day.
[05:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: if I install ntp-server it just does it?
[05:12] <Yomic> Billy: Yes, they are different clients on different [servers?] .
[05:12] <lunitik> thoreauputic: yes
[05:12] <muehlbucks> how might i restore the default gnome settings? rm .gnome?
[05:12] <kimcascone> got it
[05:12] <membreya> once you install ntp-server you will need to tick the box :P
[05:12] <thoreauputic> lunitik: ah, OK - installing now!
[05:12] <saphari_> ok i am confused
[05:13] <thoreauputic> membreya: very amusing ;)
[05:13] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: it says to rename it to open it...what would i rename it to?
[05:13] <kimcascone> saphari_: hold on a sec
[05:13] <membreya> thoreauputic: is ntpd running on your computer?
[05:13] <muehlbucks> doh... it was just the theme i was using :-(
[05:13] <saphari_> l
[05:13] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: if it has spaces etc, take those out... what is an example file name?
[05:14] <crazydeb8r> imdladris
[05:14] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: imladris - that's it
[05:14] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: no extension?
[05:15] <thoreauputic> membreya: it is now ;-)
[05:15] <membreya> thoreauputic: well tick the little box my friend and awaaaay you go :)
[05:15] <thoreauputic> membreya: and the box ticked itself automagically
[05:15] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[05:15] <membreya> happy now thoreauputic ? :P
[05:16] <thoreauputic> ecstatic
[05:16] <membreya> mwuahahah ph33r my 2 1/2 weeks of l33tn3$$ with ubuntu :P
[05:16] <thoreauputic> thrilled beyond words
[05:16] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: nope.
[05:16] <delltony> is there a way to roll back to a another kernal image if one doesn't work?
[05:16] <membreya> delltony: grub? :)
[05:16] <delltony> yeah :(
[05:16] <membreya> unless you deleted it the image will still be there :)
[05:17] <delltony> well ig uess it got deleted
[05:17] <delltony> cause i only have 686 in there
[05:17] <membreya> ;)
[05:17] <membreya> delltony
[05:17] <membreya> apt-get the image :)
[05:17] <lunitik> delltony: hit 'esc' when it asks during boot... and choose another?
[05:17] <delltony> i have choosed them all they don't work
[05:17] <membreya> delltony how is that possible? :|
[05:18] <kimcascone> ok I'm back
[05:18] <delltony> how is what possible?
[05:18] <saphari_> wb
[05:18] <delltony> i was speaking to lunitik sorry
[05:18] <membreya> delltony: how is it possible for NO images to work ?
[05:18] <delltony> he was talking about hte grub menu select different ones
[05:18] <delltony> they don't work
[05:18] <membreya> hmmm anyone know any good games for ubuntu? :)
[05:18] <delltony> they are all 686
[05:18] <kimcascone> how is xmms coming
[05:18] <membreya> delltony: what CPU are you running?
[05:19] <saphari_> lol
[05:19] <thoreauputic> membreya: yeah, "bait the newb"
[05:19] <delltony> p4 3.2ghz
[05:19] <Mazus> Can anyone help me with Dns?
[05:19] <membreya> thoreauputic: you're being mean :P
[05:19] <saphari_> i am still stuck at the command line
[05:19] <LinuxJones> membreya, frozen-bubble & chromium are very good time killers :)
[05:19] <kimcascone> sorry I had to do something with the nt server
[05:19] <thoreauputic> membreya: mwuhahaha
[05:19] <kimcascone> ok forget the command line
[05:19] <lunitik> Mazus: what do you need?
[05:19] <delltony> so how do you get this thing to go to the command line so you can do things i have the install cd and a warty live cd (i'm on hoary)
[05:19] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: i apologized for that, and i'll never msg someone again ;-)
[05:19] <compmanio36> mmm.......time to burn the hoary ISO :D
[05:20] <delltony> what do i need to do so i can mount and hopefully use aptget and so forth
[05:20] <kimcascone> did you set xmms as your default player?
[05:20] <statico> how does one go about turning on video mirroring with an external display with Xorg ?
[05:20] <lunitik> crazydeb8r: you're not the only one... I get one about every 10 mins... its annoying
[05:20] <Mazus> i can connect to sites like 216.239.57.103
[05:20] <membreya> delltony..oh so you don't have a running system at all :( that's gotta hurt
[05:20] <BrianAnthony> www.project-xyphox.com can anyone load that website?
[05:20] <delltony> membreya: bingo :p
[05:20] <Mazus> i cant go and type www.google.com
[05:20] <BrianAnthony> er ping, even
[05:20] <Mazus> it just doesnt worj] 
[05:20] <Mazus> *work
[05:20] <saphari_> i don't know how, i am vvery new to this and the window goes very fast
[05:20] <lunitik> Mazus: you're hosting your own DNS?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> lunitik: just develop a fearsome reputation and they'll stay away ;)
[05:20] <delltony> if i could figure out how to rollback to the old image that might work
[05:20] <Mazus> no
[05:21] <lunitik> Mazus: and /etc/resolv.conf is correct?
[05:21] <kimcascone> ok lets check the storage window
[05:21] <saphari_> i perfer pms
[05:21] <crazydeb8r> lunitik: I know, i've noticed.
[05:21] <crazydeb8r> anyone have any ideas on smb shares? How do you access them?
[05:21] <Mazus> ill check that lunitik
[05:21] <kimcascone> main menu/desktop prefs/removable storage
[05:21] <membreya> saphari_: :|
[05:21] <lunitik> Mazus: if not, ask your ISP what the DNS should be, or go to google and search for a root name server
[05:21] <membreya> crazydeb8r: are you trying to mount remove smb shares locally?
[05:21] <membreya> remove = remote
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[05:22] <crazydeb8r> membreya, yes.
[05:23] <membreya> crazydeb8r: go to a console
[05:23] <membreya> and type sudo apt-get install sambafs
[05:23] <membreya> let me know when you're done
[05:23] <inc_> BrianAnthony: that it?
[05:23] <saphari_> drives and media preferences
[05:23] <knoppix> hey guys
[05:23] <jjman> a
[05:24] <crazydeb8r> membreya, i will, jas
[05:24] <membreya> let me know when it's installed
[05:25] <inc_> anyone know of a way to get ubuntu to run embedded
[05:25] <kimcascone> yeah
[05:25] <kimcascone> is the play audio check box checked?
[05:25] <bbbman> ok, if i am in knoppix and i want to partiton my hard drive to install ubuntu
[05:25] <saphari_> yes
[05:25] <membreya> bbbman: #knoppix? :)
[05:25] <kimcascone> and type in /usr/bin/xmms into the command window
[05:25] <crazydeb8r> membreya, it couldn't find the package
[05:25] <bbbman> ok thanks ill got here
[05:26] <thoreauputic> bbbman: qtparted, methinks
[05:26] <bbbman> ill give it a try
[05:26] <saphari_> ok
[05:26] <delltony> is there a way to apt-get uninstall in hoary using a warty live bootcd?
[05:27] <kimcascone> this should make xmms come up when a new cd is inserted
[05:27] <crazydeb8r> membreya; is it smbfs?
[05:27] <membreya> crazydeb8r: was just about to say that..sorry mate :)
[05:27] <crazydeb8r> membreya: step ahead of you :-)
[05:27] <membreya> sorry watching TV at the same time and trying to avoid the heat
[05:28] <geppy> I've used Gallery from source, before, but I'm not sure how the gallery package in the repository configures itself.  Where can I find the docs?
[05:28] <delltony> i guess not :(
[05:29] <kimcascone> now make sure you have closed xmms and take out the cd
[05:30] <crazydeb8r> membreya: it seems my connection hates me - i can't resollve any of the repositories
[05:30] <saphari_> i browsed the cd and i can read it
[05:30] <membreya> crazydeb8r: can you resolve hostnames?
[05:31] <crazydeb8r> membreya: what do you mean?
[05:31] <saphari_> is .mov the songs?
[05:31] <kimcascone> good
[05:31] <membreya> ie can you ping www.ubuntu.org
[05:31] <kimcascone> no these are movies
[05:31] <crazydeb8r> yes
[05:31] <saphari_> can i move them to the direstory?
[05:32] <saphari_> where are the songs?
[05:32] <kimcascone> if this is an audio cd the files should be .cda files
[05:32] <geppy> Gallery, anyone?
[05:32] <kimcascone> you can't move them
[05:32] <kimcascone> they are burned onto the cde
[05:32] <kimcascone> cd
[05:32] <Maz> i can ping my local host and i can join sites like 216.239.57.103 (google) i just can join normal sites like www.google.com
[05:32] <Maz> Can anyone help me?
[05:32] <kimcascone> ] just play them from the cdplayer
[05:32] <kimcascone> xmms
[05:33] <membreya> Maz: do you have nameservers set?
[05:33] <crazydeb8r> membreya: yes, i can resolve hostnames, and I tried to dig the server and got nothing
[05:33] <Maz> membreya what do you mean?
[05:33] <membreya> what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf
[05:33] <membreya> max
[05:33] <membreya> maz
[05:33] <membreya> crazydeb8r: what ubuntu are you running?
[05:34] <Maz> all i have in that is
[05:34] <Maz> "Domain : ____"
[05:34] <crazydeb8r> membreya: uh, the stable one :-)
[05:34] <Maz> i line
[05:34] <Maz> *1 line
[05:34] <Maz> 2 words
[05:34] <saphari_> the damn dir came up again
[05:34] <membreya> maz you need to have "nameserver (ip)"
[05:35] <Maz> so "nameserver (myip)" ??
[05:35] <kimcascone> which dir?
[05:35] <membreya> maz: it needs to be your ISPs DNS server, unless you run a local one
[05:35] <Maz> hmm
[05:35] <saphari_> i think i figured it
[05:36] <Maz> ok ill google my isp see if it has one
[05:36] <Maz> THanks
[05:36] <crazydeb8r> membreya: even odder...the other computers behind my firewall are haviing no problems.
[05:36] <membreya> crazydeb8r: just try it :)
[05:36] <membreya> you might want to check their resolv.conf tho
[05:36] <membreya> lo monoxide
[05:37] <membreya> maz..what ISP ?
[05:37] <crazydeb8r> membreya, thanks
[05:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: BTW there are a whole bunch of ntp servers you can tick in the time applet thing
[05:37] <membreya> thoreauputic: no dher :P
[05:37] <Jmax1632> Any dev-level techs in here?
[05:38] <kim1> I'm still here
[05:38] <waseem> mm
[05:38] <thoreauputic> membreya: sorry?
[05:38] <Jmax1632> kim1: you?
[05:38] <Maz> ok membreya brb
[05:38] <Maz> i found a dns server
[05:38] <membreya> thoreauputic: meaning ....i know there is :)
[05:38] <membreya> maz: add it to your resolv.conf
[05:38] <kimcascone> xmms comes up when you load a cd audio?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, OK... just thought I'd illuminate the obvious again...
[05:39] <membreya> thoreauputic: you have a penchant for that :)
[05:39] <Jmax1632> Any dev-level techs in here?
[05:39] <saphari_> yeah buit that other dir comes ip
[05:39] <saphari_> no it doesn't
[05:39] <kimcascone> which other dir
[05:39] <kimcascone> ?
[05:39] <Jmax1632> Any dev-level techs in here? please join #jmax!
[05:39] <Jmax1632> Any dev-level techs in here? please join #jmax !
[05:39] <Jmax1632> heh
[05:40] <saphari_> from rb
[05:40] <waseem> Hi I am using gaim. I seem to be having a problem direct connecting with people using aim. Did anyone here seem to find a solution for this?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, but I do it with "un certain panache" ;-)
[05:40] <cr4z3d> anyone know how to stop ubuntu from checking the floppy disk on startup.. my laptop has no floppy and hangs when it checks for one
[05:40] <kimcascone> rb is still launching?
[05:40] <Jmax1632> Any dev-level techs in here? please join #jmax !
[05:40] <membreya> waseem: are you directly connected to the net or are you using a firewall/gateway?
[05:40] <kimcascone> did you chasnge the default in the CD storage?
[05:40] <waseem> membreya: i am connected to a router
[05:41] <membreya> thoreauputic: yes you have a certain jen ne se qua
[05:41] <waseem> there is a firewall, but i never had a problem direct connecting to people using aim on windows
[05:41] <membreya> waseem: you will need to try using IP forwarding
[05:41] <inc_> is there a hoary live cd iso?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> membreya: monsieur, c'est pas du Francais, ca...
[05:42] <BrianAnthony> what is a good program that can take pictures with a web camera?
[05:42] <Jmax1632> PLEASE
[05:42] <Jmax1632> OMG
[05:42] <TheMuso> inc_: Yes there is.
[05:43] <inc_> got a url?
[05:43] <saphari_> yeah thanks for your help
[05:43] <saphari_> i'm going to bed
[05:43] <Jmax1632> anyone?
[05:43] <Jmax1632> this is rather urgent
[05:43] <TheMuso> inc_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/array-5/
[05:43] <membreya> thoreauputic: say what now ..we can't translate that..something about sir ..not french
[05:44] <thoreauputic> membreya: never mind...
[05:44] <membreya> thoreauputic: tell me :(
[05:44] <Jmax1632> anyone?
[05:44] <Jmax1632> dead, eh?
[05:44] <SiRrUs> good evening people
[05:44] <thoreauputic> I just said what you wrote was not french
[05:44] <saphari_> night folks
[05:45] <membreya> Jmax1632: wouldn't you assume from the lack of responses that noone is a dev level tech
[05:45] <membreya> night saphari_
[05:45] <membreya> hi SiRrUs :)
[05:45] <saphari_> thanks kim
[05:45] <BrianAnthony> waseem: I would think that because it's not AIM it would naturaly have a problem
[05:45] <BrianAnthony> waseem: GAIM isn't AIM
[05:45] <SiRrUs> damm i got a hello :)
[05:45] <Jmax1632> membreya: then who can i contact one regarding an urgent matter?
[05:45] <veristead> omg these updates are taking forever
[05:45] <membreya> thoreauputic: jen ne se qua was french :P
[05:45] <veristead> it has been like an hour
[05:45] <inc_> TheMuso, thanks
[05:45] <membreya> Jmax1632: wait till daniels is here :P
[05:46] <veristead> no percentage
[05:46] <veristead> or progress bar
[05:46] <SiRrUs> Jmax1632 whats your urgent matter
[05:46] <thoreauputic> membreya: only just recognisable as such, I'm afraid :)
[05:46] <Jmax1632> membreya: when are you expecting him?\
[05:46] <membreya> BrianAnthony: gaim allows you to logon with multiple protocols, including aim
[05:46] <kimcascone> sorry I couldn't be more help
[05:46] <BrianAnthony> membreya: I know this.
[05:46] <membreya> Jmax1632: usually trolling at night
[05:46] <Jmax1632> SiRrUs: please join #jmax, it's not me
[05:46] <membreya> thoreauputic: considering I did one term of it 12 years ago? :)
[05:46] <BrianAnthony> membreya: AIM uses the TOC protocol
[05:46] <thoreauputic> membreya: I think you meant "je ne sais quoi" but I can't be sure... ;-)
[05:46] <Jmax1632> a friend who has ubntu
[05:46] <BrianAnthony> membreya: AIM is just a frontend
[05:46] <thoreauputic> membreya: hehe
[05:46] <SiRrUs> why dont they join here?
[05:47] <BrianAnthony> membreya: GAIM != AIM
[05:47] <Jmax1632> ok
[05:47] <membreya> BrianAnthony: I stand aside for your glory :)
[05:47] <BrianAnthony> membreya: =P I'm just guessing this.
[05:47] <BrianAnthony> lol
[05:47] <membreya> lol!
[05:48] <inc_> cool they got torrent d/ls
[05:49] <Jmax1632> SiRrUs: bubbaonlinux
[05:49] <bubbaonlinux> hey
[05:49] <SiRrUs> hello
[05:50] <bubbaonlinux> jmax said you might be able to help i'm getting a kernal panic after running 2.6.4-10 linux-image is there a way to revert back so i can boot again
[05:50] <Jmax1632> my trolling is just a frontend ;0
[05:50] <farruinn> veristead: how fast is your connection?
[05:50] <bubbaonlinux> err linux-image 2.6.10-4-686 to be more specific
[05:50] <jdub> bubbaonlinux: upgrade again, or boot with 'noinotify'
[05:51] <membreya> Jmax1632: this was your major problem??
[05:51] <membreya> it's a known flaw with a few workarounds
[05:52] <Jmax1632> ;)
[05:52] <billytwowilly> bubbaonlinux, hit esc during bootup and select the old kernel in grub..
[05:52] <membreya> either running noinotify or boot to a stable kernel and do an apt-get update && upgrade...there's a patch out there
[05:52] <bubbaonlinux> old kernal isn't there
[05:52] <membreya> bubbaonlinux: deleted it ?
[05:52] <bubbaonlinux> not that i know of but its obviously gone
[05:52] <crimsun> boot from the livecd and chroot into your install
[05:52] <billytwowilly> bubbaonlinux, It should be. Unless you did something funky during dist-upgrade;)
[05:53] <Viper12> with today's hoary updates......has the printing gui app gotten broken?  just checkin.
[05:53] <bubbaonlinux> well its not unfortunately
[05:53] <billytwowilly> bubbaonlinux, does it just hang before anything comes up on screen?
[05:54] <billytwowilly> bubbaonlinux, if so, you might not have finished the upgrade properly leaving grub improperly configured.
[05:54] <bubbaonlinux> yeah says kernel panic can't read image
[05:54] <billytwowilly> boot off a knoppix cd, chroot and do an apt-get dist-upgrade.
[05:55] <bubbaonlinux> i don't have a knoppix cd i only have a warty install cd a hoary 5 install cd and a warty live cd
[05:55] <geppy> Gallery, anyone?
[05:55] <billytwowilly> ok, boot off a warty livecd then.
[05:56] <Telep> right, so much for the silly oscars
[05:56] <billytwowilly> just get booted up and chrooted to your old / and do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:56] <bubbaonlinux> ok
[05:56] <bubbaonlinux> well can you teach me h ow to do that please
[05:57] <billytwowilly> boot off wartylivecd, su, mount your hard drive, chroot /mnt/whereveryoumountedyourharddrive
[05:58] <bbbman> dumb question: how do i unzip bz2 files
[05:58] <billytwowilly> apt-get update
[05:58] <billytwowilly> apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:58] <bubbaonlinux> hold on you keep saying boot off live cd
[05:58] <bubbaonlinux> as in just let it go all the way to gnome desktop and all
[05:58] <billytwowilly> put livecd in your cdrom and turn on the computer..
[05:58] <crimsun> bbbman: bunzip2 foo.bz2
[05:59] <billytwowilly> I'm sorry,  don't have time to explain further. I don't know if it will fix your problem either, but it might. It certainly sounds like what is the problem anyway..
[05:59] <billytwowilly> oh, make sure you mount the hard drive read and write.
[05:59] <bubbaonlinux> ok i'm booting it up now can someone else help me since he has to go
[06:01] <compmanio36> hmm....not too hot about hoary so far....
[06:02] <NeoChaosX> has naybody had any stability problem upgrading from Warty to Hoary? Would it be safe to do it now or wait until Hoary's finalized?
[06:02] <compmanio36> oh.....never mind....there's the package manager :P
[06:03] <geppy> NeoChaosX:  Hoary is unstable.
[06:03] <billytwowilly> NeoChaosX, I had problems with the 2.6.10-4 kernel, but it's fixed now.
[06:03] <crimsun> NeoChaosX: it's safe at this present moment
[06:03] <SiRrUs> NeoChaosX so far so good for me
[06:03] <bubbaonlinux> i see the warty cd just totally wipes out the sources.list can converts them back to warty
[06:04] <geppy> NeoChaosX:  If you're in the least concerned about stability, you should wait until Hoary final is released.  It's almost time.
[06:04] <NeoChaosX> I see
[06:04] <moquist_> anybody know what table types are included by default in mysql in ubuntu?
[06:04] <bubbaonlinux> when is array 6 coming out?
[06:04] <moquist_> or anybody know how I can figure it out?
[06:04] <NeoChaosX> I guess I'll stick with Warty for now
[06:04] <Bandit> NeoChaosX its been very stable for me
[06:05] <bubbaonlinux> its stable till it doesn't boot like with me but i think i caused this problem :)
[06:05] <NeoChaosX> Hm
[06:05] <Bandit> Server Uptime 10 days, 1:31:10 thats fairly stable
[06:05] <geppy> Bandit:  Erm... no.
[06:06] <bubbaonlinux> can someone pm me their hoary sources.list please or point me to where i can find it please
[06:06] <Bandit> with an "unstable" OS  Erm yeah
[06:06] <geppy> Bandit:  With GNU/Linux, ten days is nothing.
[06:06] <geppy> Bandit:  It doesn't matter what distro you're running, ten days is nothing.
[06:07] <Yomega> agreed
[06:07] <moquist> Bandit: ubuntu "unstable" isn't *that* unstable
[06:07] <Bandit> geppy thats right
[06:07] <geppy> Bandit:  You don't get it.
[06:07] <Bandit> I get it fine
[06:07] <Yomega> arf lol
[06:08] <Bandit> geppy you usually sit in here and whine about how unstable the OS is
[06:08] <joeblow> What's a good WYSIWYG html editor for linux other than mozilla composer/nvu??
[06:08] <geppy> Bandit:  "unstable" means that it's not fin-tuned enough for regular use;  that doesn't mean that it'll crash as soon as your turn it on
[06:08] <Bandit> your kidding would never have known
[06:08] <Bandit> thanks for the education
[06:08] <geppy> Bandit:  No, I've complained one time in the six months that I've been here, and that was about an hour ago, because I came home after the weekend to find that my computer was unresponsive.
[06:09] <geppy> Bandit:  Fine, flame me, I'm not going to argue with you.
[06:09] <thoreauputic> gentlemen! gentlemen! no fighting - think of the furniture!
[06:09] <bubbaonlinux> well i'm convienced when hoary borks there is no return :P cause i can't figure out how to apt-get my old image
[06:09] <geppy> thoreauputic:  hahaha =)
[06:09] <Yomega> arf lol
[06:09] <geppy> bubbaonlinux:  Not only that, I installed gallery, and now dpkg is broken. =)
[06:09] <bubbaonlinux> yeah that happened to me before
[06:09] <bubbaonlinux> reinstalled
[06:09] <SiRrUs> amazing :)
[06:09] <bubbaonlinux> now this
[06:09] <farruinn> geppy: ouch
[06:10] <bbbman> hey guys, whats a way to partition my hard drive besides fidsk and qtparted
[06:10] <bbbman> nevermind guys
[06:10] <geppy> farruinn:  Yeah.  I think I'm just going to manually delete the files that are being problematic, then remove it and install from source.
[06:10] <akira> cfdisk?
[06:10] <akira> if that exists?
[06:10] <bubbaonlinux> sorry to say but i seem to reinstall more on linux than i ever did on windows even though i want to like ubuntu and all this is starting to piss me off i guess its cause i don't understand it gonna give it another try i guess
[06:10] <bbbman> im just using parted
[06:10] <geppy> aw, crap, that's not working
[06:10] <bubbaonlinux> when does hoary array 6 come out
[06:11] <geppy> bubbaonlinux:  You're going to have to do that a lot if you run unstable;  why don't you run Warty?
[06:11] <bubbaonlinux> suppose to be today i thought
[06:11] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[06:11] <bbbman> how big should my swap space be?
[06:11] <bubbaonlinux> i had warty on here just trying something new which is fine
[06:11] <bubbaonlinux> but i had issues with it too
[06:11] <bbbman> if i have 180 megs of memory
[06:11] <bubbaonlinux> ill just shut up i'm just pissed off
[06:11] <akira> depends on memory
[06:12] <akira> and how much of your harddrive you want to put to it
[06:12] <thoreauputic> bbbman: maybe 360MB or so
[06:12] <bbbman> and it should be a "logical" partition right?
[06:13] <bbbman> thanks
[06:13] <jdub> doesn't matter
[06:13] <bbbman> dosent matter if swap is primary or logical?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> no
[06:13] <thoreauputic> either is fine
[06:14] <thoreauputic> bbbman: you  just can't exceed 4 primaries on one drive
[06:14] <bbbman> oh ok, thanks
[06:15] <geppy> Hrm, when I finished hacking up a fix for my problem, rhythmbox segfaulted. =)
[06:15] <helio7> I'm getting "The CUPS server could not be contacted" error, I want to print to my attached usb HP printer that was working fine yesterday before I messed with the settings trying to get network print to work... any quick tips?  I can't even open the printer gui admin dialog...
[06:15] <bbbman> ok, is there a link for bootstrap already compiled?
[06:15] <geppy> thoreauputic:  haha
[06:15] <bubbaonlinux> anyone know what time today array 6 will be release?
[06:15] <Yomega> rythmbox is working very bad on my PC
[06:15] <geppy> thoreauputic:  "a few"? =)
[06:16] <Yomega> horrible lagging
[06:16] <geppy> thoreauputic:  If I wasn't so lazy, I'd be running iTunes
[06:16] <thoreauputic> geppy: it's called understatement, i believe....
[06:16] <geppy> Yomega:  that's a sound server problem, and it's not really fixable, unless you want to use plain ol' OSS or ALSA, or switch to JACK, none of which would I advise
[06:16] <geppy> thoreauputic:  haha, yeah
[06:17] <bbbman> i want to build the bootstrap but im afarid i dont have any compilers on my system
[06:17] <helio7> any tips on getting my printer config re-opened? I think I broke it by messing with cups settings...
[06:17] <geppy> hahaha
[06:17] <crimsun> bbbman: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[06:17] <membreya> whats rythmbox? :|
[06:17] <NeoChaosX> beep-media-player > XMMS, imo
[06:17] <Nic1> yo
[06:18] <geppy> NeoChaosX:  Beep is basically the same as XMMS, just prettier. =)
[06:18] <saphari_> hi is kim still here?
[06:18] <NeoChaosX> Yeah, I prefer GTK2 over GTK1
[06:18] <NicP> what do u use geppy?
[06:18] <saphari_> aww,  i got xmms to work
[06:19] <geppy> NicP:  I'm using Rhythmbox
[06:19] <NeoChaosX> Partially because I still can't seem to be able to change my GTK1 theme even with the theme-switch program
[06:19] <NicP> hmm i'll have to look at that
[06:19] <membreya> hmmmm rhythmbox appears to be a playlist manager???
[06:19] <thoreauputic> saphari_: well done you !
[06:19] <geppy> NicP:  It comes with Ubuntu
[06:19] <NicP> i havent installed it yet :P
[06:19] <geppy> membreya:  It's a music library manager;  it doesn't really make use of playlists
[06:19] <geppy> NicP:  haha =)
[06:20] <NeoChaosX> I had to get the deb from the official beep site, though, the menus in the repository version of BMP were broken
[06:20] <saphari_> yes i am very pleased,  will you please pass on  that i got and a big thank you
[06:20] <membreya> geppy: I have like 980 music videos.. I don't need a manager :|
[06:20] <geppy> membreya:  haha
[06:20] <crimsun> moquist: sorry if someone else already answered; seems to be berkeleydb (bdb), innodb, and isam
[06:21] <geppy> membreya:  It's not that I need one, only that I'm getting to where I like to be productive every once in a while, and beating XMMS into submission kind of takes time away from that. =)
[06:21] <moquist> crimsun: nope, nobody else said a thing.
[06:21] <crimsun> moquist: check the various flags passed to ./configure in $(source)/debian/rules
[06:21] <saphari_> you got to into to xmms and pick cdrom and it will list the songs
[06:21] <moquist> crimsun: but when I try to create innodb tables i get myisam instead... :(
[06:21] <moquist> BDB tables work fine
[06:21] <saphari_> ok bed for me
[06:21] <thoreauputic> saphari_: indeed
[06:22] <thoreauputic> saphari_: sleep well
[06:22] <saphari_> i'll be back just to learn from you all :)
[06:22] <saphari_> night
[06:22] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:22] <membreya> saphari_: ignore thoreauputic then
[06:22] <NicP> the problem with all those music managers is that my music dosent work well with them
[06:22] <thoreauputic> membreya: excellent advice
[06:22] <saphari_> lol,  why
[06:22] <NicP> my musit isnt artist/album
[06:23] <NicP> its all compilation cds and vinyl rips
[06:23] <thoreauputic> saphari_: I have unresolved issues, according to membreya ;)
[06:23] <membreya> including grooming :P
[06:23] <saphari_> will i learn more then linux ;)
[06:23] <thoreauputic> saphari_: he's right, of course
[06:23] <helio7> i'm somewhat at my wits end I need to print for a deadline tomorrow and I can't find the answer in the forums; can anyone lend me a hand with a simple usb printer configuration problem?
[06:24] <membreya> remember, I'm a sociopath.. I know you better than you do
[06:24] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, I wasn't aware my webcam was working....
[06:24] <saphari_> lol
[06:24] <membreya> thoreauputic: I ha><0red j00!
[06:24] <thoreauputic> membreya: that wouldn't be difficult...
[06:24] <farruinn> helio7: you'd probably have better luck asking your question
[06:24] <helio7> I tried that a couple of times first
[06:25] <saphari_> ok i'm off now,  bye guys :)
[06:25] <moquist> crimsun: thx for the advice about the configure flags - that's what I had no idea how to do.
[06:25] <helio7> farruinn: I'm getting "The CUPS server could not be contacted" error, I want to print to my attached usb HP printer that was working fine yesterday before I messed with the settings trying to get network print to work... any quick tips?  I can't even open the printer gui admin dialog...
[06:25] <thoreauputic> OH NO! I have b33n p0wnedZ0r!
[06:25] <membreya> ROFLOLMAO
[06:25] <membreya> erm....z0r
[06:27] <bubbaonlinux> curious if your system is hosed and you don't want to actually loose everything is skipping to base install without formating possible to work? are am i looking at more borkness :)
[06:29] <farruinn> helio7: I odn't know if this will help, but 'dpkg-reconfigure --default-priority cupsys' might help...
[06:29] <thoreauputic> bubbaonlinux: it rather depends on whether you have a separate home partition for your important data, or similar
[06:29] <helio7> farruinn: thanks i'll try it
[06:30] <farruinn> helio7: you may have to do an 'apt-get remove --purge cupsys' if that doesn't work, then reinstall it
[06:30] <bubbaonlinux> ok i can't complain too much even though it has pissed me off i thought i had hoary all done waiting for new array and wammo :)
[06:30] <bubbaonlinux> live and learn
[06:31] <helio7> farruinn does "child exited with status 98 mean anything?
[06:31] <farruinn> is that all it said?
[06:31] <itga> hi all, How can I automount USB storage device with PCMCIA USB
[06:31] <itga> ??
[06:32] <b> hi, how can I get rid of the package verification feature so I quit getting lame errors
[06:34] <bbbman> hey guys, if i dont have make on my comptuer
[06:34] <bbbman> what else could i use as a subustitue
[06:35] <b> How can I get rid of GPG verification feature , turn it off, so I dont get the warnings for unauthorized software?
[06:35] <thoreauputic> b get your packages from approved sources?
[06:35] <eclipse> g
[06:35] <bbbman> yea my packages are from apporved sources
[06:35] <bbbman> i need to "make" the boot strap
[06:35] <b> lol...some good packages arent approved and that wasnt a friendly answer
[06:36] <MyNameIsChris> Does anyone know why my ps2 ports fail under an smp kernel?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> bbbman: sudo apt-get install build-essential make
[06:36] <eclipse> can anyone help me have the window panel?
[06:36] <bbbman> thoreuaputic: no apt-get
[06:36] <daejavu> elipse : shoot !
[06:37] <thoreauputic> bbbman: ah
[06:37] <dr_willis> hmm - for an AMD64 machine (test machine, not any real work) would anyone care to reccoemd Hoary over warty? or Visa Versa?
[06:37] <geppy> Okay, I'm having some serious difficulties installing gallery, because when I try to open my gallery folder from my browser, it attempts to download it, because it "is a zip file"
[06:37] <dr_willis> wanting to test out Cedega also on it.
[06:37] <geppy> I'm lost.
[06:37] <geppy> dr_willis:  Warty would be better for gaming.
[06:37] <b> BTW Thoreu, you said earlier that u used alot of different sources, obviously not approved, so you are a hypocrite not to answer an easy question without rebukeing me
[06:38] <helio7> farruin, i'm very appreciative for the tips; troubleshooting can be beyond my abilities when under a deadline and past my thinking hour; the printer is working now...
[06:38] <dr_willis> warty the one with x.org? or Xfree? why better?
[06:38] <geppy> dr_willis:  Truthfully, Transgaming says that 2.4.x is better for gaming, but Warty should be fine.
[06:38] <farruinn> helio7: excellent, what did you have to do?
[06:38] <dr_willis> I am assumeing the Xfree vs Xorg was the issue. Lol.
[06:38] <geppy> dr_willis:  I wasn't aware that any of Warty had x.org.  I'd go with XFree, because Transgaming supports it more fully.
[06:38] <b> all I asked was how to turn the lame warning off
[06:38] <dr_willis> yea.. i got a few machinew with each.. i can never keep the  2 seperate.. :P
[06:38] <geppy> dr_willis:  Oh, well, Warty is more stable, which is important.
[06:38] <geppy> dr_willis:  haha =)
[06:39] <dr_willis> warty is the 'safe bet' ? and Hoary is the "cutting edge" ?
[06:39] <farruinn> dr_willis: right
[06:39] <dr_willis> Heh :P
[06:39] <dr_willis> Guess i will stick with warty then.
[06:40] <mystify> can anybody help me plz
[06:40] <bbbman> so any ideas on how i can build this package without make
[06:40] <geppy> mystify:  Just ask your question.
[06:40] <geppy> bbbman:  I don't see how you could make anything without make.
[06:40] <mystify> i have a program called Reason and i dunno how to install it
[06:40] <mystify> on linux
[06:41] <magnon> mystify: that's a windows/mac program as far as I know, the audio program at least
[06:41] <dr_willis> Hmm.. never heard of it. :P
[06:41] <goldfish> emm
[06:41] <geppy> mystify:  Is it a Linux program?
[06:41] <farruinn> mystify: is that some sort of audio app?
[06:41] <b> so it is my guess that you really dont know how to turn the synaptic warning off yourself then...
[06:41] <goldfish> it is an audio app
[06:41] <goldfish> ybest one around1
[06:41] <mystify> yes, its for making music and such
[06:41] <magnon> mystify: that won't go for lijnux
[06:41] <magnon> -j
[06:41] <mystify> gigantic program
[06:41] <mystify> ah man...that bites
[06:41] <geppy> mystify:  You could try WINE, but it probably won't work.
[06:41] <goldfish> yeah
[06:41] <helio7> farruinn: i tried the dpkg-reconfigure but that didnt' solve it, so i did "sudo apt-get remove --purge cupsys and then 'sudo apt-get install cupsys' and that worked (= pretty simple i guess, but i've never uninstalled anything like that before so the syntax would have taken me a long time to figure out
[06:41] <mystify> i cant ever get wine to work thoguh
[06:41] <goldfish> the soundbanls are huge
[06:41] <magnon> geppy: and the audio subsys would suck.
[06:42] <mystify> though*
[06:42] <geppy> mystify:  There are a ton of good Linux audio apps out there.  Try Audacity, DDClip, and the like.
[06:42] <geppy> magnon:  Yeah.
[06:42] <mystify> where do i get these?
[06:42] <dr_willis> Ive gotten wine working with basic programs like irfanview and so forth.
[06:42] <waseem> Hi I am having two problems. My sound does not seem to be working. All my music files wont open up with any audio players. Also how do I configure my webcam (Logitech Quickcam Pro). Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
[06:42] <geppy> mystify:  Try looking in Synaptic.
[06:42] <magnon> I use rosegarden for music notation. It's good
[06:42] <mystify> im brand new to linux so could you or someone else walk me through using synaptic?
[06:42] <geppy> waseem:  What model?
[06:43] <waseem> 4000
[06:43] <geppy> waseem:  Mmm, good.
[06:43] <waseem> ok
[06:43] <magnon> mystify: sorry, I'm in a hurry right now - but there are loads of documentation around
[06:43] <waseem> geppy: can you help me out?
[06:43] <magnon> they are in the channel topic
[06:43] <geppy> waseem:  Try installing 'qccam' and whatever is required.
[06:43] <mystify> ugh, i hate reading stuff online, gets too boring and complicated
[06:43] <mystify> thanks anyways though
[06:43] <magnon> mystify: the ubuntu documentation should be pretty straightforward.
[06:43] <waseem> geppy: where can i get qccam?
[06:43] <magnon> or, try waiting for someone else to help :)
[06:43] <geppy> waseem:  I know of people who've installed it on Mandrake with no problem, but I don't have one, so I can't really help you, sorry...  I could point you to some forum posts, I suppose.
[06:44] <waseem> ok thanks
[06:44] <geppy> waseem:  It's in some repository or another.  Have you enabled universe/multiverse?
[06:44] <waseem> im unsure
[06:44] <geppy> waseem:  run this:
[06:44] <geppy> waseem: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <waseem> geppy: now what do i do
[06:45] <geppy> waseem:  Remove the # from the beginning of the lines that say this:
[06:45] <geppy>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:45] <geppy>  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:45] <geppy> waseem:  Then save it, and run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install qccam'
[06:45] <geppy> waseem:  erm, qcam
[06:46] <Dr_willis> all rigthy - lets get this Warty Install going.. oh wait - did i want Hoary.,..
[06:46] <geppy> waseem:  It doesn't look like there's a binary module available:  I can walk you through building the module using module-assistant, if you'd like.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> *sigh* :P
[06:46] <geppy> Dr_willis:  No.
[06:46] <geppy> =P
[06:46] <waseem> that would be appreciated
[06:46] <waseem> but let me install qcam first
[06:46] <waseem> its still updating
[06:46] <geppy> waseem:  Alright.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> dang it - i burnt one of both.. and think i got the labels backwards...
[06:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:46] <geppy> =)
[06:47] <waseem> ok its done
[06:47] <waseem> now what should i do
[06:48] <geppy> waseem:  Well, first, try and see if it just works, just in case. =)
[06:48] <Dr_willis> Hmm. this install sees my SATA raid.. Nifty..
[06:48] <geppy> waseem:  run qcam
[06:48] <waseem> geppy: qcam cannot be found
[06:48] <geppy> waseem:  Try gqcam
[06:48] <waseem> geppy: i updated and installed everything
[06:48] <waseem> ok
[06:49] <waseem> nope
[06:49] <waseem> doesnt work either
[06:49] <geppy> waseem:  try 'apt-get install gqcam qc-usb-source qc-usb-source'
[06:50] <geppy> ='
[06:50] <geppy> ='(
[06:50] <waseem> k
[06:50] <geppy> waseem:  does gqcam run?
[06:51] <waseem> /dev/video: No such file or directory
[06:51] <mystify> can anybody help me download and install Audacity or DDClip?
[06:51] <waseem> after i tried to run gqcam
[06:51] <geppy> waseem:  Alright, I think that if we build the module, it should work.
[06:51] <waseem> ok
[06:51] <geppy> waseem:  apt-get install module-assistant
[06:52] <waseem> ok
[06:52] <geppy> waseem:  module-assistant
[06:52] <geppy> waseem: wait, no
[06:52] <geppy> waseem:  sudo module-assistant
[06:52] <b> I'll ask my question once more, how can I turn off gpg key warnings when I want to use unauthorized repositories to get special software (ie.libdvdcss)?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> mystify: audacity appears to be in the universe repository - so ` sudo apt-get install audacity` shoud do it if you have enabled "universe'
[06:53] <geppy> b:  If they don't bother you, why not just ignore them?
[06:53] <waseem> geppy: i did that and now a grey box appeared in the terminal
[06:53] <waseem> it has several options
[06:53] <geppy> waseem:  Yes, select UPDATE and then tab to OK
[06:53] <waseem> ok
[06:53] <b> because I remember they can be turned off and I turned them off in other distros, but forgot how
[06:54] <mystify> k thank you
[06:54] <waseem> geppy: its done updating
[06:54] <geppy> waseem:  PREPARE
[06:54] <b> simple question...but maybe too technical here...
[06:54] <farruinn> I'm trying to build mol (following MacOnLinuxHowto wiki page) but it fails because it can't find /include/linux/config.h however config.h is in /usr/include/linux
[06:55] <waseem> geppy: its done
[06:55] <farruinn> Short of symlinking /usr/include to /include, how do I fix this?
[06:55] <geppy> waseem: SELECT
[06:55] <bob2> b: yes, way too technical
[06:55] <geppy> waseem:  then, select qc-usb, qce
[06:55] <bob2> no one here has apt knowledge comparable to yours
[06:55] <geppy> bob2: hahaha =)
[06:55] <bob2> I believe you use the -l option to slapt-get to disable it
[06:56] <geppy> waseem:  Then, tab to OK
[06:56] <b> um...flaming bob?
[06:56] <waseem> ok
[06:56] <bob2> farruinn: er, sure it's looing for /include? that dir doesn't exist on any linux system.
[06:56] <waseem> geppy: what should i do next
[06:56] <b> Ubuntu man  PEACE
[06:56] <thoreauputic> b pot kettle?
[06:56] <mystify> ok...i need help...i used synaptic to get audacity and now i dunno how or where to run the program
[06:56] <geppy> waseem: GET
[06:56] <geppy> waseem:  Then, BUILD, INSTALL, and BACK
[06:56] <bob2> farruinn: I'd guess it's looking for /includes/ under the kernel source tree, but the kernel source dir variable is empty
[06:56] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. "Can not find the hardware clock by any known method" - thats a new messge for this machine. :P
[06:56] <b> I only tried to help and was attacked for no reason
[06:57] <waseem> geppyL
[06:57] <geppy> waseem:  Yes
[06:57] <waseem> geppy:   Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel version could not     
[06:57] <waseem>       be found                                                           
[06:57] <waseem>       and you did not specify other kernel headers to use.
[06:57] <geppy> waseem:  Oh, my mistake.
[06:57] <geppy> waseem:  can you run 'uname -r', and give me the output?
[06:57] <bob2> b: man apt-get, --allow-unauthenticated
[06:57] <b> thank you Bob
[06:58] <waseem> geppy: in a new terminal?
[06:58] <geppy> waseem:  Preferably.
[06:58] <Dr_willis> --allow-unauthenticated  - GESH what a long "flag" that is..
[06:58] <mystify> HELP!
[06:58] <waseem> 2.6.10-2-386
[06:58] <GreySim> Anyone know of a good Linux networking FAQ/Howto?  I seem to be having trouble resolving domain names, but it's only for http requests and only under Linux.  I keep having to ping a site to get it's IP address before I can visit it.  >.<
[06:59] <farruinn> bob2: should I really need the kernel source for building this module?  According tot he howto it should only need linux-headers-*
[06:59] <b> I thought there was a file in /etc that could be commented out too, but maybe i am mistaken
[06:59] <mystify> thx, but i downloaded Audacity from Synaptic, and i think it installed itself, but where do i find it and how do i run the program?!?!?!?!
[06:59] <geppy> waseem: apt-get install linux-source-.... wait, are you running Hoary?
[06:59] <adamZ> mystify: start a terminal, type audacity (assuming it's not already in the menu)
[06:59] <farruinn> bob2: the file it wants, config.h exists, include/linux is simply in /usr not /
[06:59] <waseem> geppy: how do i find out if im running hoary?
[07:00] <mystify> wow, that helped
[07:00] <thoreauputic> waseem: cat /etc/issue
[07:00] <mystify> thanks
[07:00] <waseem> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[07:00] <geppy> waseem:  I just rebooted back to Hoary, I'm not exactly sure what the Hoary packages are called.
[07:00] <geppy> waseem: sudo apt-get install linux-source-* linux-headers-*
[07:00] <geppy> =)
[07:01] <Amaranth> man, i can't wait to see the upgrades i'm going to have when i hook my hoary box up again tomorrow
[07:01] <bob2> farruinn: er,, no, the files in /usr/include/ are not what you need
[07:01] <waseem> geppy: its gonna take 10 minutes
[07:01] <Amaranth> it hasn't had internet access for about 45 days
[07:01] <bob2> farruinn: you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:01] <waseem> well 5 minutes now
[07:01] <geppy> waseem:  Okay, go have some donuts. =)
[07:01] <b> Thanks for the help I have received here, and if I have offended, I am sorry, not my intent...I only tried to help
[07:01] <waseem> hahaha
[07:01] <geppy> =D
[07:01] <thoreauputic> b Peace, then :)
[07:01] <geppy> Anyone know why Apache would try to pass of a directory as a zip file?
[07:01] <b> same
[07:01] <wm_eddie> ok
[07:01] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:02] <b> bubye
[07:02] <wm_eddie> I think I'm in trouble.
[07:02] <Dr_willis> geppy,  hmm.. that sounds very odd..  permission issues perhaps?
[07:02] <wm_eddie> my dist-upgrade (to hoary) fails with libwxgtk2.4
[07:02] <Dr_willis> if ya download the .zip whats in it? :P
[07:02] <geppy> Dr_willis:  It's all 0777
[07:02] <wm_eddie>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/helpviewer', which is also in package wxpython2.5.3
[07:04] <membreya> hmmm anyone know of some funky themes for gnome ? or is it just a vanilla desktop?
[07:05] <jdub> membreya: www.gnome-look.org, art.gnome.org, and there are themes already included
[07:06] <geppy> Dr_willis:  haha
[07:06] <geppy> Dr_willis:  file-roller says "Could not open 's3jsqm85.phtml' \n Archive type not supported"
[07:06] <geppy> Dr_willis:  Perhaps I don't have phtml support enabled?
[07:06] <geppy> Dr_willis:  I mean, not in file-roller, but for apache
[07:06] <waseem> geppy: its done
[07:06] <wm_eddie> I think the wxgtk-python package is bugged.
[07:06] <copilot> If I install gaim 1.1.4 from source, will it overwrite 1.1.0?
[07:06] <GreySim> Sorry to "spam", but this is gonna be the last time I bother people in here with this, and only because it seems a little less hectic than it did the first time I asked, but...
[07:06] <GreySim> Anyone know of a good Linux networking FAQ/Howto?  I seem to be having trouble resolving domain names, but it's only for http requests and only under Linux.  I keep having to ping a site to get it's IP address before I can visit it.  >.<
[07:06] <bob2> copilot: install it to /usr/local/ and it won't
[07:06] <bob2> (highly recommended)
[07:06] <Dr_willis> geppy,  hmm.. save it to disk amnd look at it? try a differnt browser?
[07:06] <copilot> I shall do that.
[07:06] <bob2> GreySim: 'only for http'? are you sure?
[07:07] <membreya> GreySim: how's your resolv.conf?
[07:07] <GreySim> No, but that's all I've noticed.
[07:07] <waseem> geppy: its done
[07:07] <copilot> err. how do I specify.
[07:07] <copilot> I suck so much. =(
[07:07] <GreySim> membreya, I'll check real quick, 1 sec.
[07:07] <membreya> copilot: the question is not of if you suck or not but if you suck good
[07:07] <bob2> copilot: ./configure --help
[07:07] <farruinn> bob2: Thanks, for some reason my kernel version is 2.6.8.1-3 but 2.6.8.1-5 headers are available
[07:07] <bob2> copilot: prefix is what you want
[07:08] <bob2> [Zenith] `afk: please turn that off
[07:08] <GreySim> search domain.actdsltmp
[07:08] <GreySim> nameserver 205.171.3.65
[07:08] <GreySim> nameserver 205.171.2.65
[07:08] <bob2> farruinn: you'll need to upgrade your kernel then
[07:08] <GreySim> Nameservers are correct--no idea where the search bit came from.
[07:08] <bob2> that came from your dns server
[07:08] <geppy> Dr_willis:  Hrm, Apache sucks on Ubuntu =)
[07:08] <geppy> waseem:  Try going back into 'module-assistant', and trying to build the Quickcam modules again
[07:08] <Dr_willis> dns server? or dhcp server?
[07:08] <farruinn> bob2: *-3 headers are available too though and apt-get upgrade doesn't install anything
[07:09] <waseem> geppy: same problem
[07:09] <wm_eddie> go hoary go.
[07:09] <wm_eddie> apt is almost done
[07:09] <waseem> Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other kernel headers to use.
[07:09] <Gwildor> hello
[07:10] <bob2> farruinn: well, install them
[07:10] <membreya> GreySim: what happens when you ping a websites domain name in a console?
[07:10] <Gwildor> i just installed on my thinkpad T22, but my viewable area is alot smaller than my actual screen size, how do i re-configure my driver?
[07:10] <farruinn> bob2: obviously, I was just clarifying, thanks =)
[07:10] <GreySim> Pings work correctly.
[07:11] <GreySim> Resolves to the IP just fine.
[07:11] <membreya> and in your web browser, what happens when you try to connect to a domain name?
[07:12] <bob2> farruinn: heh
[07:12] <waseem> ahh where did geppy go
[07:13] <GreySim> It says in the status bar "Resolving host google.com...", but I just now noticed that after that it says "Connecting to google.com..." and hangs there until a time-out error occurs.  Maybe it's not resolution problems after all.  >.<
[07:14] <membreya> GreySim: tried disabling IPv6 resolution ? :)
[07:14] <GreySim> Ah.  Well, all I know is that I'm not very Linux proficient, and that the problem doesn't occur under Windows, but it does occur under Ubuntu and Arch Linux.  If nobody has the time to hold my hand for this I understand, it's just hard to search for help myself with a busted connection, and my Windows box dead.
[07:14] <GammaRay> GreySim: ping is your friend
[07:14] <GreySim> I have not.
[07:14] <waseem> does anyone know where geppy went?
[07:14] <Gwildor> how do i reconfigure my Xserver?
[07:14] <membreya> GreySim: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[07:15] <GammaRay> dpkg-reconfigure ...
[07:15] <wm_eddie> Gwildor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree?
[07:15] <Gwildor> thnx
[07:15] <mud_> or xorg
[07:15] <wm_eddie> or something like that.
[07:15] <Gwildor> TY
[07:16] <GreySim> Doh!  The IP address ping resolved to for that site doesn't seem to lead to the actual site.  >.<
[07:16] <GreySim> Thanks though.  I'll poke through about:config and see if I can't find the setting there.
[07:16] <GreySim> Thanks for the help.
[07:17] <crazney> for the love of god, can someone PLEASE remove bicyclerepair from ubuntu-desktop ?
[07:17] <crazney> kthxbye
[07:17] <membreya> lol
[07:18] <thoreauputic> great name for a package...
[07:18] <bob2> it's a useful program
[07:19] <thoreauputic> bob2: I don't doubt it :)
[07:19] <bob2> not to 95% of people, tho
[07:19] <thoreauputic> I wasn't being sarcastic
[07:19] <bob2> hah
[07:19] <bob2> me either :)
[07:21] <ubernoob> does anyone use wireless with Orinoco? I'm trying to set it in monitor mode without luck :(
[07:27] <Anubis> I have a new menu on my menu
[07:28] <Anubis> its a "debian" submenu
[07:28] <Anubis> dunno where it came from
[07:28] <b> hi again...short question:  is the startup.wav in Hoary working...Warty works fine for me but not HOary...
[07:28] <Anubis> how do I update it or remove or change it?
[07:28] <Anubis> works in Hoary
[07:29] <TomAraya> Hello.
[07:29] <b> hi Tom
[07:29] <TomAraya> Hey b.
[07:29] <b> :)
[07:30] <b> Does your startup.wav work in Hoary?
[07:31] <StoffBox-Steve> Good morning Guys, thoreauputic you allways here or ? :)
[07:31] <b> Hi Steve
[07:31] <ubernoob> good morning
[07:31] <StoffBox-Steve> *....* its fu** cold here :(
[07:32] <b> It about 1:30am here
[07:32] <StoffBox-Steve> 7:32am here
[07:32] <membreya> it's 33 degrees celcius here StoffBox-Steve :|
[07:32] <StoffBox-Steve> *grrrr * membreya * -10 here
[07:32] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: where do you live?
[07:33] <StoffBox-Steve> germany > Osnabrueck
[07:33] <ubernoob> StoffBox-Steve: well... try living in norway :(
[07:33] <wm_eddie> mono still doesn't work
[07:33] <membreya> Austrlia :)
[07:33] <zenrox> lol
[07:33] <wm_eddie> Why the hell!
[07:34] <zenrox> or hillbilly style in nowhare
[07:34] <b> Does the startup.wav work in Hoary for others?  It doesn't for me, but does in Warty for me
[07:34] <StoffBox-Steve> when i can i give norway a try, lovely land :)
[07:34] <ubernoob> but cold! brrr!
[07:35] <b> about 10F deg here now
[07:35] <EndGame> evening hippies
[07:35] <EndGame> how is everyone tonight
[07:35] <zenrox> 41f here its a reagulay heat wave
[07:35] <b> I got a spaceheater pointed directly on my back
[07:36] <zenrox> EndGame, just fine ubuntu hoary is worken no more tweeing is needting to be done
[07:36] <StoffBox-Steve> ahh a hot cup of coffee :) someone else what some ? :D
[07:36] <zenrox> please
[07:36] <farruinn> Anyone know why linux-image-2.6-powerpc isn't installed by default? (warty ppc)
[07:36] <EndGame> zenrox, damn right.
[07:37] <EndGame> im watchin this ubuntu gig, man. im thinkin about suggesting it to some friends
[07:37] <b> Sorry Faruinn, I dont know about that
[07:37] <zenrox> thx StoffBox-Steve
[07:37] <wm_eddie> PAIN!
[07:37] <StoffBox-Steve> :) NTN zenrox
[07:38] <zenrox> EndGame,  ya ubuntu kicks butt
[07:38] <zenrox> ntn??
[07:38] <farruinn> Instead of that metapackage I have linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc which won't be upgraded to later kernels
[07:38] <b> but can you tell me if the startup.wav sound works in Hoary, because for me it doesnt
[07:38] <farruinn> Even with dist-upgrade
[07:38] <StoffBox-Steve> no thanks needed, zenrox
[07:38] <zenrox> oh
[07:38] <zenrox> lol
[07:38] <Xenguy> zenrox: I parsed that 'nighty-nite'
[07:39] <zenrox> Xenguy, lol
[07:39] <farruinn> Oi, ignore that, I forgot I did a custom install, I must have selected *-3 specifically
[07:39] <farruinn> Silly me
[07:39] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  thats part of hoary
[07:40] <zenrox> hence = hoary = devel
[07:40] <b> How did it kill your system?
[07:40] <waseem> Hi my speakers dont seem to be working. I know it's not a problem with the hardware. Can anyone here help me configure the settings so that they work?
[07:41] <daejavu> ppl do we have an ALL-In-ONE kind of a Media player .. one that plays MP3+DVD+Movies(DivX) ??
[07:41] <daejavu> ppl do we have an ALL-In-ONE kind of a Media player .. one that plays MP3+DVD+Movies(DivX) ??
[07:41] <StoffBox-Steve> but was my faul zenrox i run warty ... and what a dist-upgrade yesterday bur forgot have hoary still in the sources-list ... and than . it goes bad ... very bad .. but i very good installing linux > 2 weeks 16 installs *lol*
[07:41] <b> your soundcard is detected Waseem?
[07:41] <waseem> i dont know
[07:41] <ubernoob> i can't even install it... :( when trying to load xscreen or gnome, i just end up with a black screen of dead :(
[07:41] <waseem> b: how can i check that
[07:42] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve, is this your fist time using linux
[07:42] <b> Waseem look in dmsg lists
[07:42] <waseem> ehh...
[07:43] <StoffBox-Steve> yes zenrox, 2 - 3 weeks ago > Knoppix ( has a recover ) , debian , gentoo , ubuntu :)
[07:43] <waseem> b: i just installed linux today so i dont really know anything im doing. please be patient with my ignorance
[07:43] <EndGame> eh, we all start somewhere
[07:43] <EndGame> except me
[07:43] <EndGame> i was born root
[07:43] <b> sorry dmesg
[07:43] <SiliconViper> StoffBox-Steve, mplayer is nice for that, but I would recommend two apps. One for music, one for video.
[07:44] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  hehehe you sound like me 4 years ago
[07:44] <EndGame> beep-media-player
[07:44] <waseem> b: ok a bunch of lines of code
[07:44] <daejavu> ppl do we have an ALL-In-ONE kind of a Media player .. one that plays MP3+DVD+Movies(DivX) ??
[07:44] <EndGame> StoffBox-Steve, you went from gentoo to ubuntu?
[07:44] <b> do dmesg | less
[07:44] <EndGame> how'd that work out?
[07:44] <SiliconViper> Please stop spamming, we heard you the first time.
[07:45] <waseem> b: ok i got to the end
[07:45] <b> read if you find that your soundcard was detected
[07:45] <waseem> ok
[07:45] <b> if it wasnt, it would probably say
[07:45] <StoffBox-Steve> gentoo was just a testinstall .. what to larn more abour linux :) so stage 1 O3 install, but terminal crash after 3 hours .. bad bad i no time to try it again
[07:45] <delltony> question on hoary which image should i use ? the default one or 2.6.10-3 2.6.10-4 2.6.11-1 ?
[07:46] <b> also, I would look to get "sndconfig" and use it for detect
[07:46] <StoffBox-Steve> EndGame, for gentoo time i all .... many time ....
[07:46] <farruinn> delltony: if 2.6 is available go with that
[07:46] <stu> just installed ubuntu . . . it is great
[07:46] <EndGame> O_o
[07:46] <EndGame> what?
[07:46] <farruinn> delltony: that will allow you to upgrade to newer kernel versions as they are released
[07:46] <delltony> several of them are available thats why i was asking
[07:46] <waseem> b: there is tons of lines, i kinda skimmed through it and didnt find anything that said that the sound card wasnt detected
[07:47] <farruinn> delltony: I mean '2.6' not 2.6.*
[07:47] <wm_eddie> does xorg and nvidia play nice together?
[07:47] <delltony> then i guess its no available then
[07:47] <SiliconViper> wm_eddie, it's sure working nicely for me.
[07:47] <delltony> but that still doesn't answer my question :(
[07:47] <zenrox> wm_eddie, yes
[07:48] <b> waseem , go to your volume control and see if it is working
[07:48] <wm_eddie> ok
[07:48] <farruinn> delltony: I would go with the newest then
[07:48] <wm_eddie> so if I just updated to hoary, I want to remove xserver-xfree and install xserver-xorg?
[07:48] <b> often that is the problem
[07:48] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, i seems boss dosnt call today, Yeah ... freeday :)
[07:48] <waseem> where is the volume control?
[07:48] <waseem> oh wait
[07:48] <geppy> I can't get gallery to work.
[07:48] <b> in the menu under multimedia
[07:48] <zenrox> wm_eddie, ya basickly as long as nvidia drivers are allready set up right
[07:48] <waseem> i see it at the top of the panel
[07:49] <waseem> its at the highest volume
[07:49] <geppy> waseem:  Did you get your QC working?
[07:49] <waseem> geppy: no, even after i rebooted i got the same error message
[07:49] <geppy> waseem: ah, sorry
[07:49] <waseem> geppy: any other ideas on how i can fix the problem?
[07:50] <waseem> b: the volume control is at the highest possible volume
[07:50] <b> Waseem in volume control look at capture area too
[07:50] <b> turn up stuff there
[07:50] <geppy> Any ideas for Gallery?
[07:51] <geppy> Whenever I try to open my gallery directory to install, apache tells me that I'm downloading a zip file. =/
[07:51] <delltony> ok this is what is confusing me the linux-image-686 in synaptic has a ubuntu label next to it. it says in the description this package willa lways depend on the latest kernel image. so i click on it right and it gives me 2.6.10.4-686 but when i look in the list of images the latest is 2.6.11-1  so whats the deal?
[07:51] <StoffBox-Steve> waseem, have you an onboard card ? look at the device manager for the card
[07:51] <waseem> b: i was looking in the wrong area, im trying to open Volume Control from applications but it isnt opening...blah i feel stupid
[07:51] <Deviant> I have a cdr/dvd-rom combo in my laptop and looks like ubuntu only reconized it as a cdr drive! anyone know how I can fix this? would be nice to play dvds.
[07:52] <b> is it working now?
[07:52] <Chipzz> delltony: maybe 2.6.11 is not considered stable?
[07:52] <waseem> b: i cannot get access to the volume control
[07:52] <Chipzz> delltony: last time I tried nvidia drivers didn't compile on it
[07:52] <b> Devient  ln -sf /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd
[07:52] <delltony> maybe thats it
[07:53] <delltony> so you went with 10-4?
[07:53] <b> if you cannot get access it is because your soundcard is not detected
[07:53] <waseem> i have a soundcard
[07:53] <waseem> how do i manually detect it then
[07:53] <b> but Ubuntu must find it
[07:54] <b> if it is not detected automatically you can use a tool like sndconfig  look for the .deb version through google
[07:54] <waseem> i dont understand, my sound was working just earlier. and then all of a sudden i have this problem
[07:55] <waseem> well i rebooted then i had this problem
[07:55] <b> it was working?
[07:55] <daejavu> SiliconViper: thanks dude !!
[07:55] <geppy> combo
[07:55] <StoffBox-Steve> waseem, did you install KDE or somethink else ?
[07:56] <waseem> kde, i dont think so
[07:56] <waseem> what is that?
[07:56] <waseem> the only thing i installed was something from linux source, geppy would knw
[07:56] <waseem> while i was trying to configure my webcam
[07:56] <StoffBox-Steve> just a freaking Desktop waseem ,)
[07:57] <waseem> damn i feel stupid
[07:57] <SiliconViper> daejavu, no worries.
[07:57] <geppy> StoffBox-Steve:  No, he hasn't.
[07:57] <geppy> waseem:  ha, no need
[07:57] <saad> morning
[07:58] <StoffBox-Steve> Gm saad
[07:58] <waseem> bah, so how do i fix the problem?
[07:58] <waseem> they dont have sndconfig in freshmeat, and i cant find a site on google with the file
[07:59] <daejavu> SiliconViper: have u used RealPlayer for linux ?
[08:00] <waseem> b: i downloaded the sndconfig.deb file, now what do i do
[08:01] <SiliconViper> daejavu, Umm... that's proprietary, I try to avoid those whenever possible, and for RealMedia, it *is* possible.
[08:01] <SiliconViper> But I have heard that RealPlayer works.
[08:01] <SiliconViper> Can't help with it though.
[08:02] <daejavu> ive downloaded and installed it .. it works .. but NOT in all cases !
[08:03] <SiliconViper> daejavu, not my problem, really. It's not supported software. ;p And besides, I have no experience with it.
[08:03] <MyNameIsChris> If I compile xine and xine-ui from source, can I apt-get codecs?
[08:03] <jdub> MyNameIsChris: just install xine from universe, and get the w32codecs package from elsewhere (see the wiki)
[08:03] <SiliconViper> MyNameIsChris, you should be able to.
[08:04] <MyNameIsChris> But I already have the source, downloading will take tmie
[08:04] <MyNameIsChris> *time
[08:04] <MyNameIsChris> I guess it would be better to download it, saves time in the end
[08:04] <jdub> it will also integrate with your system and upgrade when there's new versions available
[08:05] <AcidWolf> what app would i use under Ubuntu for professional web designing
[08:05] <MyNameIsChris> I'm so glad my smp kernel finally works
[08:06] <SiliconViper> AcidWolf, I'm partial to BlueFish
[08:06] <AcidWolf> Bluefish hey
[08:06] <AcidWolf> is it on the apt list
[08:06] <SiliconViper> But I hear good things about QuantaPlus too.
[08:06] <SiliconViper> Should be.
[08:06] <SiliconViper> I got it.
[08:06] <AcidWolf> are they both on the apt list
[08:06] <SiliconViper> But it might be in universe.
[08:06] <AcidWolf> ok
[08:06] <SiliconViper> I don't know about Quanta.
[08:06] <AcidWolf> ok ill have a look
[08:06] <AcidWolf> aot-cache search bluefish
[08:07] <AcidWolf> apt*
[08:08] <abelli> AcidWolf: "Ha ha. I almost had you." :)
[08:08] <MyNameIsChris> Hold on, totem plays dvds with libdvdcss?
[08:09] <zenrox> MyNameIsChris, yes
[08:09] <zenrox> technaly
[08:09] <MyNameIsChris> No need for xine
[08:09] <MyNameIsChris> What do you mean technically?
[08:10] <zenrox> totem dont play dvds for me
[08:10] <zenrox> xine does the best for me
[08:10] <TomAraya> I have a question, keep in mind I'm a huge newb. I'm trying to listen to some streaming radio, and it says it is for Windows Media Player. When I right click on the page, it says 'application/x-mplayer2 is required. I find something in Synaptic which is 'mplayer-plug in' but when I try to install it I get errors.
[08:10] <TomAraya> mplayerplug-in:
[08:10] <TomAraya>   Depends: libglib2.0-0 but 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:10] <TomAraya>   Depends: libgtk2.0-0 but 2.4.10-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:10] <TomAraya>   Depends: libpango1.0-0 but 1.6.0b-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:10] <TomAraya>  Depends: mplayer but it is not going to be installed
[08:10] <zenrox> all depends on your setup MyNameIsChris
[08:10] <TomAraya> All the repositories mentioned in Ubuntuguide.org are enabled.
[08:12] <mud_> gxine
[08:12] <jdub> MyNameIsChris: install totem-xine and dvdcss
[08:12] <MyNameIsChris> Hmm, when I click play disc, which file on the disk do I play?
[08:13] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: do you mean a with a dvd?
[08:13] <MyNameIsChris> Yes
[08:13] <zenrox> TomAraya, its a dependicy prob
[08:13] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: there's no just one file..
[08:14] <MyNameIsChris> Well I choose the disk and get a file browser, of all the files on the disk
[08:14] <TomAraya> zenrox: I understand that.
[08:14] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: i dont really remember it exactly, but .vob should contain
[08:14] <TomAraya> I guess what I was asking is how do I resolve this issue.
[08:14] <zenrox> TomAraya,  your using warty or hoary
[08:14] <TomAraya> Warty.
[08:14] <MyNameIsChris> As in Totem could not play 'file:///media/cdrom0/VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB'?
[08:14] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: chapters data, then there are 2 directory with audio and video data..
[08:14] <zenrox> TomAraya,  then i cant help ya
[08:14] <TomAraya> *nod*
[08:14] <farruinn> Will/does OOo2 include the database module?
[08:15] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: ahh.. you mean, how can i play a dvd...right
[08:15] <MyNameIsChris> Correct
[08:15] <crimsun> TomAraya: please paste the output of ,,apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0'' onto http://pastebin.ca
[08:16] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: actually ive never used it.. but it shouldnt be that hard
[08:16] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: what if you click on "play disc" in the movie menu?
[08:16] <MyNameIsChris> That is what I am doing
[08:16] <wm_eddie> ok, so how do I get xcompmgr to work?
[08:17] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: actually jdub suggested using totem-xine..
[08:17] <MyNameIsChris> And that is the xine libraries for totem?
[08:17] <crimsun> wm_eddie: you execute it with some flags
[08:17] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: no its another media player
[08:18] <MyNameIsChris> Then I will just install xine, I used it in my Fedora days
[08:18] <MyNameIsChris> Thanks
[08:18] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: mmm no sorry
[08:18] <TomAraya> crimsun, ok.
[08:18] <wm_eddie> xcompmgr -c -r 5 -l -5 -t -5?
[08:18] <abelli> MyNameIsChris: he mean xine libraries for totem..
[08:18] <wm_eddie> No composite extension
[08:19] <crimsun> wm_eddie: did you add a Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enabled" EndSection to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[08:19] <wm_eddie> no...
[08:20] <wm_eddie> brb
[08:21] <MyNameIsChris> If I install xine-ui and libdvdcss is that all I need for dvd playback?
[08:22] <waseem> Hi I am having a problem with my speakers. Sound is not being emitted, but I know it's not a hardware problem. Does anyone here know what i can do to fix this problem?
[08:23] <crimsun> waseem: make sure the necessary mixer sliders are unmuted.
[08:23] <waseem> i cannot get access to the volume control crimsun
[08:25] <waseem> ...does anyone ehre know what i can do?
[08:25] <waseem> or how i can get access to my volume control
[08:25] <wm_eddie> woo
[08:25] <crimsun> waseem: does cat /proc/asound/cards list your sound card?
[08:26] <waseem> yes
[08:26] <crimsun> waseem: post amixer output onto http://pastebin.ca
[08:26] <delltony> question for .bachrc   to add a path isn't it export PATH:$PATH=$HOME/bin  ?
[08:27] <waseem> amixer output?
[08:27] <crimsun> delltony: eh, you just need to uncomment the relevant section in ~/.bash_profile
[08:27] <wm_eddie> export PATH=$PATH:STUFF
[08:27] <waseem> you mean the output from the command cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:27] <delltony> so what i typed wasn't correct?
[08:27] <wm_eddie> nope
[08:28] <crimsun> waseem: no, I mean the output from ,,amixer'' (without the commas and quotes)
[08:28] <wm_eddie> remember it this way PATH = $PATH (self) plus : plus other stuff
[08:28] <delltony> so its export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin ?
[08:28] <wm_eddie> yup
[08:28] <delltony> ok i always get the = in the wrong place
[08:28] <delltony> after doing it 4 times i'm almost there
[08:28] <waseem> crimsun: i just post that in the website and then someone helps me out
[08:28] <delltony> haha
[08:31] <waseem> crimsun: i posted it, do you have any idea how long it usually takes for someone to help me out?
[08:31] <crimsun> waseem: I'm trying to load the page.
[08:31] <waseem> http://pastebin.ca/6585
[08:31] <crimsun> yeah, I must have some routing problems
[08:31] <crimsun> can't seem to pull up that domain
[08:32] <waseem> Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
[08:32] <waseem>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch cswitch-joined
[08:32] <waseem>   Capture channels: Mono
[08:32] <waseem>   Limits: Capture 0 - 3
[08:32] <waseem>   Mono: Capture 0 [0%]  [on] 
[08:32] <waseem> that is the output
[08:32] <TomAraya> What's a good media player besides XMMS which isn't working for me or Mplayer which i'm having dependency problems with?
[08:32] <crimsun> hum, do you have a usb headset or something?
[08:32] <waseem> no a microphone
[08:33] <crimsun> TomAraya: vlc, rhythmbox, totem-xine, beep-media-player, ...
[08:33] <crimsun> waseem: so you're trying to record from it?
[08:33] <waseem> no but its plugged in
[08:33] <martijn_> sorry for asking n00b question, but where can I add an apt-get source :?
[08:33] <crimsun> martijn_: in /etc/apt/sources.list, or use Synaptic>Settings>Repositories
[08:33] <MyNameIsChris> /etc/apt/sources.list or something
[08:34] <martijn_> cool thanks
[08:34] <MyNameIsChris> woot, my first ubuntu answer
[08:34] <martijn_> woot my first ubuntu boot :')
[08:34] <MyNameIsChris> martijn_: You are the first of hopefully many
[08:34] <MyNameIsChris> My second ubuntu day
[08:34] <waseem> crimsun: any idea of what i can do now/
[08:35] <martijn_> another question, when I plugin my external hdd (usb2.0) it popsups all 3 partitions, but only 1 shows up on desktop :\
[08:35] <crimsun> waseem: I have no idea what you're trying to do, since I asked if you're trying to record from it, and you answered "no"
[08:35] <TomAraya> crimsun, thanks!
[08:35] <waseem> crimsun: im not trying to record anything using my microphone, my speaker isnt working. thats the problem
[08:35] <cg0def_> is is possible to use fam instead of gamin?
[08:37] <crimsun> waseem: you don't have any outputs according to amixer.
[08:37] <crimsun> waseem: only input.
[08:39] <martijn_> upgrading goes by typing this right ? : apt-get upgrade
[08:39] <crimsun> martijn_: you need to update first
[08:40] <martijn_> and then run upgrade ?
[08:41] <crimsun> yep
[08:41] <martijn_> coolies thank you :)
[08:43] <TomAraya> I'd like to try a linux game, are there any good RTS games that are free?
[08:43] <StoffBox-Steve> someone know what KDE package i need to control Fontsize in "kopete" ?
[08:43] <delltony> ok evidently i'm missing a repository somewhere trying to get my system back up again after it borked on me where can i find the w32codec package please
[08:44] <TomAraya> delltony, I used ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:45] <delltony> just add it to the repository?
[08:45] <delltony> or went direct?
[08:45] <TomAraya> Yeah, I just added it into Synaptic.
[08:46] <TomAraya> Apparently that's the one that people recommend for mplayer too, but I'm still getting dependency issues.
[08:46] <delltony> yeah that was it i forgot about that addition thanks
[08:46] <TomAraya> No problem, delltony.
[08:47] <MyNameIsChris> jdub: I got xine and dvd playback working, thanks
[08:47] <MyNameIsChris> But sound is really bad
[08:47] <delltony> i know its common on dev release to have to reinstall but regardless it still pisses me off :)
[08:47] <delltony> but hopefully ill be able to smoothly go to array 5 to array 6 but i'm not totally willing to bet yet :p
[08:48] <Mestapheles> hi
[08:48] <goldfish> hai
[08:48] <delltony> hey tom can you tell me exactly how your sources.list reads in regard to addition of marillat please?
[08:48] <Mestapheles> does gnome usually use png for wallpaper?
[08:50] <Mestapheles> I just transfered over apple wallpaper.  I noticed it is jpegs but I', paranoid about jpeg so I thuoght I'd convert them to png
[08:51] <Mestapheles> although I know gnome handles jpegs just fine
[08:51] <delltony> here we go i got it
[08:52] <Zotnix> png is supported for wallpaper
[08:53] <delltony> GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[08:53] <delltony>  you get that when using marillat?
[08:53] <guru> is there a way to prevent :(){ :|:&};: when executed as a normal user from taking up all of the system cpu time?
[08:53] <scorpix> i deleted the bottom panel, and add new one, and when i open any folder and minimize it, it doesnt appear in the panel, how can fix it?
[08:53] <jdub> daejavu: that's just a warning
[08:53] <jdub> er
[08:53] <jdub> delltony: that's just a warning
[08:53] <delltony> ok
[08:54] <goldfish> G SPOT !
[08:54] <Zotnix> o.O
[08:54] <Zotnix> Nah. f-spot
[08:54] <TomAraya> I'd like to try a linux game, are there any good RTS games that are free that anyone could recommend?
[08:55] <delltony> thats a good questionw here can you find free linux games other than the ones that come installed?
[08:56] <geppy> delltony: Try the gaming forum at ubuntuforums.com
[08:56] <geppy> TomAraya:  The strategus-based games are pretty nice
[08:56] <Zotnix> Hmmm.. snazzy
[08:56] <delltony> ok will do
[08:56] <delltony> thanks
[08:56] <Zotnix> (f-spot that is)
[08:56] <TomAraya> delltony, the sticky post on that forum has a bunch of suggestions.
[08:56] <TomAraya> None are RTS though.
[08:57] <TomAraya> Well, one is, but the game was very, very VERY dated looking.
[08:57] <TomAraya> Plus the controls didn't work properly.
[08:57] <zenrox> TomAraya, install freeciv
[08:57] <Zotnix> Ah
[08:57] <Zotnix> now I do
[08:57] <TomAraya> zenrox: That's a good game, but it's still not a RTS though. Turn based.
[08:58] <TomAraya> Zotnix, real time strategy. EG: Warcraft, Starcraft
[08:58] <zenrox> TomAraya,  or freecraft
[08:58] <geppy> freecraft is crap
[08:58] <delltony> maybe i'm overlooking something i see no gaming forum on ubuntuforums.org
[08:58] <zenrox> geppy, but it works
[08:58] <geppy> delltony:  try the search option
[08:58] <jeffola> hey guys, when i try to boot x, it says something about Xauth fails
[08:58] <geppy> zenrox:  Only if you have pre-BNE warII, right?
[08:59] <zenrox> geppy, hu??
[08:59] <geppy> zenrox:  I never really got into freecraft, once I found strategus (which I think evolved from it)
[08:59] <geppy> zenrox:  The original freecraft was only intended to allow you to play Warcraft II on Linux
[08:59] <zenrox> geppy,  i only play nwn gold +hotu
[08:59] <TomAraya> I'm going to check out strategus.
[08:59] <delltony> ok here we go yeah i thinking it was a main header ok good deal thanks again
[08:59] <geppy> zenrox:  Ah, alright.
[09:00] <zenrox> its an awsome game specaly online
[09:00] <zenrox> its onole of the only games i bought
[09:00] <jeffola> any ideas
[09:00] <geppy> zenrox: Is it a recurring charge?
[09:00] <zenrox> i also play croumium
[09:00] <zenrox> geppy,  nope
[09:00] <geppy> zenrox:  Hmm... I might buy it, it looks awfully pretty.
[09:00] <zenrox> Chromium
[09:00] <geppy> zenrox:  Does it have LAN play?
[09:01] <geppy> zenrox:  That's really the only time that I play games.
[09:01] <zenrox> geppy,  and it plays in linux nativly
[09:01] <membreya> hmmm will gaim ever have support for receiving webcam ???
[09:01] <geppy> zenrox:  I know. =)
[09:01] <zenrox> and does play on lan
[09:01] <geppy> membreya:  No.
[09:01] <geppy> zenrox:  mmm...
[09:01] <membreya> GAH! :(
[09:01] <TomAraya> Hmm, strategus isn't in the repositories I have. Any idea what repository I could use in order to get Strategus?
[09:01] <zenrox> membreya,  maby down the road
[09:01] <membreya> don't care about sending it ..but would love to receive it
[09:01] <TomAraya> Googling for 'strategus repository' doesn't seem to help
[09:02] <geppy> membreya:  There are some GAIM forks that attempt to provide it, but why not just use GNOMEmeeting?  It interfaces nicely with whatever the Microsoft counterpart is.
[09:02] <jeffola> hey guys, when i try to boot x, it says something about Xauth fails
[09:02] <delltony> err you know something i really hate is the fact that k3b puts that kcontrol crap on yoru menu :( but if you uninstall the kcontrol it uninstalls k3b
[09:02] <membreya> geppy: cos that means getting the other person to learn how to use netmeeting
[09:02] <geppy> delltony:  Then remove the stuff from your menu...
[09:02] <geppy> membreya:  heh, yeah, that kind of sucks
[09:02] <geppy> membreya:  But that is your only real option, as far as I know =/
[09:03] <delltony> its not so easy in hoary gotta find the right desktop file
[09:03] <geppy> argh
[09:03] <geppy> it's two in the morning, I'd better get back to configging Gallery so that I can get to admin
[09:03] <delltony> later
[09:03] <zenrox> night geppy
[09:04] <membreya> night gep
[09:04] <delltony> good thing for dpkg -L so i can find the desktop files haha :) i'm slowly but surely learning this stuff ;)
[09:05] <zenrox> delltony,  good
[09:05] <zenrox> once you learn you can teach someone else
[09:05] <delltony> yeah i try to help out when i can
[09:05] <delltony> but id rather give no info than bad info
[09:05] <zenrox> me too
[09:05] <tuxJr_14> hi
[09:05] <zenrox> hello
[09:06] <delltony> however id make a gui for adding menu's to hoary which i hope helped out
[09:06] <zenrox> delltony, we need a gui for dual montiors
[09:06] <delltony> now that would rock
[09:06] <zenrox> ya
[09:06] <delltony> i have yet ot get my tvout to work though
[09:07] <delltony> man i seen this picture not sure where its out now but get this
[09:07] <tuxJr_14> hi zenrox
[09:07] <zenrox> i have 2 vid cards bolth nvidias and i cant get them to play nice
[09:07] <delltony> this guy had like 20 something monitors playing flight simulator
[09:07] <zenrox> lol
[09:07] <delltony> and they all had a different segment of the screen it was kick ass
[09:07] <tuxJr_14> heyrhett, are fedora's system-config thingies open?
[09:07] <crimsun> zenrox: asked in #nvidia/
[09:07] <zenrox> now thats a good one
[09:08] <scorpix> i deleted the bottom panel, and add new one, and when i open any folder and minimize it, it doesnt appear in the panel, how can fix it?
[09:08] <tuxJr_14> we can get them into ubuntu
[09:08] <tuxJr_14> they're good
[09:08] <membreya> delltony: why can't you get tv out to work ?
[09:09] <delltony> not sure can't figure out how to make it switch the display is the main thing
[09:09] <delltony> i plugged it in and tested and it outputs but its like its in pal
[09:09] <delltony> and flickers really bad
[09:11] <membreya> delltony: so change Option "TVStandard" "PAL-B" to NTSC
[09:11] <delltony> where in xorg?
[09:11] <delltony> sorry i'm not really familar with it to be honest
[09:11] <TomAraya> Hmm, strategus isn't in the repositories I have. Any idea what repository I could use in order to get Strategus?
[09:21] <Micksa> hey guys
[09:22] <Micksa> I just installed warty via pxeboot
[09:22] <Micksa> and it's locked me out of root!
[09:22] <Micksa> not even sudo from the user account works.
[09:28] <jdub> Micksa: boot into recovery mode
[09:28] <goldfish> tried su ?
[09:31] <tuxJr_14> TomAraya, try the debian repositories
[09:32] <TomAraya> tuxJr_14, I'll check it out.
[09:32] <TomAraya> Thanks.
[09:36] <Micksa> jdub: I can get past it, bit is this normal behavior?
[09:37] <jdub> Micksa: i'm sure you'd consider it unlikely
[09:39] <Micksa> well, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root doesn't mention recovery mode
[09:40] <jdub> obviously something has gone wrong, so i've suggested a way to get into the system to fix it
[09:40] <monoxide> is there a date set for the final release of hoary yet?
[09:41] <goldfish> april
[09:41] <goldfish> 4th
[09:41] <goldfish> or something
[09:41] <dolson_> aren't all the release dates already set?
[09:42] <jdub> monoxide: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[09:42] <jdub> dates set before we even started
[09:42] <monoxide> ohhh... these programers work to schedule??? :P
[09:43] <dolson_> every 6 months
[09:48] <heyrhett> how do i know?
[09:50] <Harnak> For those of you ubuntu experts, how closely updated  are the AMD64 and the I386 packages kept?
[09:52] <cafuego> Harnak: let me see.
[09:52] <Harnak> Thanks Cafuego!
[09:53] <cafuego> Ah hold on, my ia32 chroot is still warty, not hoary.
[09:54] <cafuego> Dunno then
[09:55] <Harnak> thanks anyway ;)0
[09:56] <deepsight> does anybody has an external usb HDD conected to a usb 1.1 and hear music/videos from there without clicking?
[09:58] <deepsight> i mean click as in sound click not as in mouse click
[10:11] <StoffBox-Steve> ahh i go crazy, someone one who to save a website with firefox over more than one level ?
[10:13] <d3vic3> http://img95.exs.cx/img95/272/mozillaadware4vs.png go go microsoft
[10:14] <Tomcat_> d3vic3: Fake though :)
[10:17] <d3vic3> I thought so
[10:32] <marcin_> hi - any network guru here?
[10:32] <marcin_> I got a problem with ppp connection - could someone help me?
[10:35] <zenrox> ok so i cant have dual montors then
[10:37] <prego> Is hoary's kernel patched for packet-writting?
[10:40] <MyNameIsChris> Can someone please verify my existence?
[10:41] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: sure
[10:41] <MyNameIsChris> Thanks
[10:41] <lunitik> zenrox: you can, look into xinerama
[10:42] <MyNameIsChris> I am having some problems with my connection, what would be the ubuntu equivalent of service network restart?
[10:42] <zenrox> lunitik,  i have
[10:42] <lunitik> invoke-rc.d network restart
[10:42] <zenrox> but it dont like my setup
[10:42] <MyNameIsChris> Thanks again
[10:43] <lunitik> zenrox: maybe try tweaking it?
[10:43] <zenrox> was talking in #nvidia and got help and it still dont work
[10:43] <zenrox> lunitik, its 2 nvidia cards
[10:43] <zenrox> single head on each
[10:43] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: of course, you can always just use '/etc/init.d/network restart'...
[10:43] <MyNameIsChris> That'll do
[10:43] <MyNameIsChris> Considering the last command didn't work
[10:43] <MyNameIsChris> zenrox: SLI?
[10:43] <zenrox> MyNameIsChris, no
[10:44] <MyNameIsChris> Oh
[10:44] <zenrox> pci and one agp
[10:44] <MyNameIsChris> Okay
[10:44] <zenrox> 1 pci fx5200 (pri vidcard) 2 agp tnt2 secandary
[10:44] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: gah... 'invoke-rc.d networking restart'
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> Yeah, I got that on my own, thanks for the initial guidance
[10:45] <zenrox> point the newbies in to the right direction
[10:45] <zenrox> lol
[10:45] <zenrox> welp off to bed
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> Fedora pro, ubuntu noob
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> It's not fair
[10:46] <zenrox> brain is fried trying to get dual head worken
[10:46] <TongMaster> MyNameIsChris, in Debian / Ubuntu, all services are in /etc/init.d/
[10:46] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: If you are familier with Fedora... I really don't think its practical to learn Ubuntu...
[10:46] <lunitik> TongMaster: I think he gathered that much  :/   he wanted to equiv. command
[10:47] <chase> does anyone have a list of apt sources? the only ones i have are the default installed packages and im looking for other places to download from
[10:47] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: I'd be using Fedora if I was more familier with Red Hat systems  :/
[10:47] <MyNameIsChris> chase: ubuntuguide.org
[10:47] <chase> thanks
[10:47] <deepsight> hallou, does anybody knows if there is something wrong if i try to listen mp3s from an HDD conected trough an external cradle and it makes 'click' sounds
[10:47] <TongMaster> lunitik, I'm familiar with both, You can keep Fedora / RHEL and friends
[10:47] <MyNameIsChris> I was told to try Ubuntu and I am enjoying it, I did have some very minor Debian experience
[10:48] <lunitik> TongMaster: Ubuntu tools can't compete with system-config-*
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> system-config-* made life alot easier
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> except a few of them are very underpowered
[10:49] <TongMaster> very.
[10:49] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: indeed, but likely those tools don't even have a comparison tool
[10:49] <TongMaster> RH based systems are crack to administer. I remove them all very quickly from clients.
[10:52] <MyNameIsChris> Does anyone use msn instant messaging, if so, is it currently down?
[10:53] <stvn> @i can't connect
[10:53] <NicP> works for me
[10:53] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: it appears to be, yes... error 10 according to server... no idea what that means
[10:53] <MyNameIsChris> I cannot connect
[10:53] <lunitik> NicP: then don't log out for a while  ;)
[10:54] <NicP> are u all using gaim?
[10:54] <MyNameIsChris> I am
[10:54] <MyNameIsChris> gaim = friend
[10:55] <lunitik> NicP: nope... kopete
[10:55] <NicP> i'm using msn
[10:55] <NicP> maybe microsoft finally locked out linux users ;
[10:55] <joeblow> MyNameIsChris: I am on with amsn right now
[10:55] <NicP> ;)
[10:55] <MyNameIsChris> I don't like amsn
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> They wouldn't dare
[10:56] <daniels> i think the conclusion here is 'msn's working alright'
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> All my friends use msn
[10:56] <joeblow> amsn has the best support for things like display pics, i found that when new users added me in gaim i wouldnt get notifications, i logged in with amsn 20 days after i quit my old job and noticed that 10 people had added me and gaim had never told me
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx
[10:57] <lunitik> daniels: good morning/afternoon/night  :)
[10:57] <MyNameIsChris> "All systems are stable and running."
[10:57] <TomAraya> Yeah, my Gaim has been connected all day, no problems.
[10:57] <monoxide> MyNameIsChris, i am on msn fine
[10:57] <membreya> i rebooted, and now my gaim won't connect
[10:58] <NicP> i doknt know anyone on aim
[10:58] <NicP> i didnt know people actually used it
[10:58] <monoxide> NicP, all the AOL users ;)
[10:58] <NicP> i dont speak to those people
[10:58] <NicP> :P
[10:58] <lunitik> NicP: where are you? I have one contact thats not on AIM...
[10:58] <deepsight> connection refused on msn
[10:58] <joeblow> I only know one person who uses AIM, and they only use it like once a month
[10:58] <NicP> australia
[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> Me too
[10:59] <lunitik> NicP: hmm... maybe AIM never got popular there...
[10:59] <monoxide> NicP, noone here uses aim as far as i know
[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> MS hate the Aussies
[10:59] <joeblow> In Canada no one uses AIM
[10:59] <monoxide> MyNameIsChris, ty very much, but im an aussie on gaim and msn
[10:59] <deepsight> The .NET Messenger Service is temporarily experiencing difficulty. You may be unable to sign in. Please try again later.
[10:59] <NicP> i thought aim was 15 yo people on aol
[10:59] <membreya> deepsight: where'd you get that one ?
[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> Oh, so it is just me they hate
[11:00] <delltony> anyone know where on the wiki the informatino on installing mplayer is since the package appears to be broken. i had it working before but can't remember how i did it :(
[11:00] <deepsight> same page
[11:00] <deepsight>  http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx
[11:00] <delltony> hey membreya
[11:00] <NicP> where are u guys from
[11:00] <NicP> in australia
[11:00] <joeblow> delltony: compile it from source
[11:00] <membreya> melbourne, aus
[11:00] <MyNameIsChris> Oh dear, I just set up evolution and realised it is downloading all my archived emails
[11:00] <deepsight> here in finland
[11:00] <monoxide> < AUS
[11:00] <MyNameIsChris> sydney
[11:00] <joeblow> delltony: thats what i did and it works great
[11:01] <delltony> ok where about is the source files ?
[11:01] <membreya> web messenger lets me log in
[11:01] <MyNameIsChris> Whoah, I just watched the status message change
[11:01] <joeblow> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/
[11:01] <joeblow> there are also instructions there
[11:01] <delltony> thanks
[11:02] <delltony> you using the pre6a source?
[11:02] <lunitik> membreya: since when did MSN have a web messenger?
[11:02] <NicP> for ages
[11:02] <taner_> hi ..
[11:02] <deepsight> ages indeed
[11:02] <lunitik> Oh... shows how much I follow them then huh
[11:02] <MyNameIsChris> Point me to this web messenger
[11:03] <taner_> i have a problem?
[11:03] <NicP> webmessenger.msn.com
[11:03] <NicP> or something
[11:03] <taner_> anyone help me?
[11:03] <joeblow> delltony: yes...it works fairly good on ubuntu....make sure you have the gtk devel packages installed, and then when you run configure on the mplayer source, type it in like this    ./configure --enable-gui
[11:03] <lunitik> taner_: if you ask us the question maybe
[11:03] <NicP> hey i was right too
[11:03] <NicP> :D
[11:03] <delltony> ok will do
[11:03] <delltony> trying now
[11:04] <taner_> lunitik: i do not mount hda7 from windows partition
[11:04] <taner_> i want media and programs at the ubuntu
[11:05] <joeblow> delltony: i probably wont be on but there are instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org if u get stuck on something
[11:05] <MyNameIsChris> Browser not supported by web messenger
[11:05] <lunitik> taner_: ntfs?
[11:05] <delltony> i'm installing it now ;)
[11:05] <taner_> i write mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/media
[11:05] <taner_> but media is no such file or directory
[11:06] <lunitik> taner_: yeah... umm... /mnt isn't used anymore
[11:06] <taner_> no fa32
[11:06] <taner_> no fat32
[11:06] <delltony> joeblow, by the way thanks
[11:06] <joeblow> no prob
[11:06] <lunitik> taner_: 'mkdir /media/win && mount -t vfat /dev/hda7 /media/win'
[11:06] <taner_> ?
[11:06] <joeblow> you might want to install ffmpeg too   http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net
[11:07] <delltony> if anyone runs across someone running hoary and a dell inspiron 9100 lappy please send them my way i want to know how to get that tvout working
[11:07] <taner_> thanks bro.
[11:07] <taner_> :)
[11:07] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: it still works :)
[11:07] <delltony> ffmeg? whats that never heard of that
[11:08] <MyNameIsChris> membreya: I will try, thanks
[11:08] <membreya> you'll need to allow pop ups
[11:08] <delltony> membreya, thanks for trying on that tvout thing but it didn't work :(
[11:08] <joeblow> delltony: not sure, some kind of server software for streaming audio/video but it adds support for wma and wmv in mplayer if im not mistaken. the Mplayer website recommends installing it
[11:09] <delltony> oh ok probably so bill and his buddies can prompt you for a password for those stupid ass drm files
[11:10] <joeblow> delltony: i have it installed and i never have that happen
[11:10] <joeblow> it is a gpl'd program, it is not MS' program
[11:10] <joeblow> its development is hosted by the mplayer team
[11:10] <delltony> those things get on my nerves i pay for content on a site and then download the files thinking its all good cause they say i can then after like a month or whatever it requires you to login to play the files cause of drm
[11:11] <delltony> joeblow, thats cool scratch what i was saying i'm thinking something different
[11:12] <MyNameIsChris> gaim works
[11:12] <delltony> i know one thing and i can say this for a fact, if you think you know computers you don't know jack till you run linux. it really makes you truelly get to know your pc well
[11:12] <MyNameIsChris> woohoo
[11:12] <delltony> at least thats my experience
[11:12] <MyNameIsChris> false alarm, sent password, died
[11:13] <stvn> works now
[11:14] <MyNameIsChris> Not for me
[11:15] <delltony> well cool li click on mplayer and get nada i love it :)
[11:16] <delltony> hmm gmplayer has yet to work on here oh well
[11:16] <lunitik> delltony: just use the command line tool  :)
[11:16] <delltony> as in gmplayer on #?
[11:17] <lunitik> delltony: no... 'mplayer'
[11:17] <lunitik> delltony: configure via '/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf'
[11:17] <delltony> for the gui?
 i know one thing and i can say this for a fact, if you think you know computers you don't know jack till you run linux. it really makes you truelly get to know your pc well
[11:19] <NicP> this is probably similar to the fact that in order to understand language it helps to learn another language
[11:19] <beezly> we used to argue all the time
[11:19] <bascule> it returns the fun to computing :)
[11:19] <beezly> it was terrible
[11:19] <deusx_> hello guys
[11:19] <delltony> thats true but gives you a headache while learning :)
[11:19] <bascule> that is the fun
[11:19] <delltony> and lunitik mplayer.conf doesn't exist
[11:20] <delltony> even after doing updatedb and locate mplayer.conf
[11:20] <bascule> does mplayer exist?
[11:20] <delltony> yep
[11:20] <deusx_> i got lots of previously downloaded packages backed up and copied into /var/cache/apt/archives ... how do I install them ?
[11:20] <bascule> run it off the shell, what does it complain about
[11:20] <beezly> Deus: if they are up-to-date compared to your apt archives, just do apt-get install <blah>
[11:20] <MyNameIsChris> gaim works
[11:20] <MyNameIsChris> truly
[11:21] <bascule> yes it is rather nice the gaim thingy
[11:21] <delltony> hope this is not to big of a post but here is what i get when i run gmplayer
[11:21] <delltony> vo: X11 running at 1680x1050 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" => local display)
[11:21] <delltony> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[11:21] <delltony> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[11:21] <delltony> [skin]  file ( /usr/local/share/mplayer/Skin/default/skin ) not found.
[11:21] <delltony> Skin not found (default).
[11:22] <deusx_> beezly, but apt-get does not find those packages
[11:22] <bascule> apt-get install mpkayer-skins .. ?
[11:22] <Kirilis> Hi all!
[11:22] <bascule> mplayer-skins*
[11:22] <Kirilis> i am new on Ubuntu and have some problem
[11:22] <deepsight> comments on programming symbian on linux, is it much more difficult if learning?
[11:22] <Kirilis> with Nvidia
[11:22] <deusx_> i have to somehow let him now they are there
[11:23] <delltony> ok this is starting to suck i must have a repository missing
[11:23] <beezly> hm, odd
[11:23] <delltony> i can't find mozilla-mplayer either
[11:23] <bascule> delltony: it was a guess dude
[11:23] <delltony> and i had all this working just fine on my first attempt of hoary
[11:23] <delltony> same array and all
[11:23] <bascule> oh mozilla-mplyer should exist |I think
[11:23] <delltony> yeah what repository?
[11:24] <bascule> 2 secs
[11:24] <delltony> you running hoary?
[11:24] <bascule> yes
[11:24] <lunitik> delltony: its in multiverse
[11:24] <bascule> thanks
[11:24] <lunitik> I beleive for warty also...
[11:24] <delltony> hmm hang on
[11:25] <Kirilis> so how to install Nvidzia driver ?
[11:25] <Kirilis> *Nvidia
[11:25] <lunitik> Kirilis: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:26] <delltony> lunitik, you have the exact thing to add to sources.list by chance? all i see in terms of multiverse is the backports
[11:26] <membreya> Kirilis: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:26] <Kirilis> membreya: cant find i tryed
[11:26] <membreya> Kirilis: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:26] <membreya> add some repo's :)
[11:26] <membreya> has anyone gotten gaim to log in yet??
[11:27] <lunitik> delltony: the line that states 'universe' in sources.list... add multiverse
[11:27] <Kirilis> thx a lot
[11:27] <membreya> mine got to auth'ing then died >:(
[11:29] <delltony> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse ?
[11:29] <lunitik> delltony: should work... I don't usually have the 'us' part though  :/
[11:30] <lunitik> delltony: yup... that works
[11:30] <delltony> delltony@bubbabox:~$ sudo apt-get update
[11:30] <delltony> Password:
[11:30] <delltony> E: Malformed line 27 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI)
[11:30] <delltony> nevermind
[11:30] <delltony> i had a typo in there
[11:30] <lunitik> membreya: look again at MSN status.
[11:32] <Skid> anyone familiar with 1394 dv capture? dvgrab is saying no cameras exist, yet gscanbus shows the node, etc?
[11:34] <delltony> someone mentioned mplayer-skins where is that at?
[11:35] <membreya> lunitik: what's this required security update????
[11:36] <lunitik> membreya: who knows... hopefully its server side though
[11:37] <membreya> i don't wanna go to webmessenger
[11:37] <membreya> is amsn working?
[11:37] <membreya> but again I don't like it
[11:37] <membreya> i can sign in perfectly with web messenger
[11:38] <lunitik> membreya: cool... but even Microsoft says its down, so yeah
[11:38] <membreya> how dare they provide a shitty free service! :P
[11:38] <membreya> i want my no money back!
[11:39] <deepsight> lol
[11:39] <lunitik> membreya: gah... drop it... its old... you know whats wrong...
[11:39] <deepsight> if you are in the states maybe you can sue or something
[11:39] <deepsight> then you get some money
[11:39] <membreya> trying to bring a light side to it lunitik :P plus it's not old for me cos im outta here every 2 minutes watching law and order :P
[11:44] <deusx_> i want to do some update with apt-get. i have all needed packs on the hard drive. how can i determine apt-get NOT to download from the web, but from my drive?
[11:45] <Tomcat_> deusx_: Put the packages in /var/cache/apt/ or something
[11:45] <deusx_> allready there
[11:45] <Tomcat_> deusx_: These are packages that apt wants to download, right?
[11:45] <membreya> deusx_: you need to make your own repo file..or if you want to install ALL the updates you have in a folder just do a sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:46] <Tomcat_> Because if apt doesn't want to update, the only way I know of is to install with dpkg, as membreya said.
[11:46] <deusx_> thanks
[11:46] <deusx_> that's what i'm gonna do
[11:46] <psf> hello there!
[11:46] <welly> Hello all, hows it going? is it possible to install ubuntu using a floppy disc to boot and then the packages are found on a hard drive?
[11:47] <Tomcat_> welly: I think the best way would be to boot from floppy, then start install from cd...
[11:48] <raghu> welly: use bootdisk ...remove bootloaders(grub)
[11:48] <welly> hmm ok.. that might work.. i'm having real problems installing from a cd.. my machine is pretty old (it was kindly donated by my boss) so i'm not sure if the cdrom is bust or the cd is burnt incorrectly
[11:48] <welly> but i'm getting all kinds of crc errors
[11:50] <sleeper> hi
[11:50] <sleeper> how i start lirc?
[11:50] <deusx_> is it wise to run dpkg -i *.deb in a directory with more than 500 packs?
[11:51] <deusx_> will i have to wait a year? :P
[11:51] <lunitik> deusx_: sure... might take a while though
[11:51] <deusx_> thanks
[11:51] <sleeper> please i need some help
[11:51] <membreya> deusx_:  as I said ...if you are sure you want to install them all
[11:51] <sleeper> how i use lirc?
[11:51] <lunitik> membreya: they likely wouldn't be in his archive if he didn't want them  ;)
[11:52] <lunitik> sleeper: if we knew, we'd have told you by now...
[11:52] <sleeper> ok thx
[11:52] <delltony> dang gmplayer just hates me for some reason even from source but mplayer works fine just no gui even with the enable-gui pass
[11:52] <TomAraya> What's the media player that starts with the letter V?
[11:53] <lunitik> TomAraya: vmplayer?
[11:53] <welly> sleeper, how do you use lirc? install it, point your remote control at a receiver and press buttons
[11:53] <TomAraya> lunitik, the one I'm trying to think of is only three letters. I just downloaded a wmv file, and totem won't play it.
[11:53] <lunitik> TomAraya: vlc
[11:54] <TomAraya> Right! Thanks.
[11:54] <membreya> vlc
[11:54] <membreya> damnit lunitik
[11:54] <membreya> lemme catch up on conversations!
[11:54] <membreya> :P
[11:54] <lunitik> TomAraya: mplayer > vlc though
[11:54] <TomAraya> Yeah, I can't get mplayer to install unfortunately.
[11:54] <membreya> gaim works now :D
[11:54] <lunitik> membreya: *cough* noonecares *cough*
[11:55] <membreya> do too :P I know you do ..deep down lunitik
[11:55] <membreya> you're in #gaim ..how can you not care :P
[11:56] <psf> anyone can help with one question? is there any relation between ubuntu and morphix live-cds?
[11:57] <delltony> anyone make any use of this
[11:57] <delltony> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[11:57] <delltony> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[11:57] <delltony> MPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: unknown
[11:57] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: i know your pain
[11:58] <sleeper> welly i instaled. How i point it?
[11:58] <welly> ?
[11:58] <TomAraya> johnnybezak: It can be a little frustrating to say the least.
[11:59] <sleeper> welly i instaled lirc with synaptic but i dont know who start it
[11:59] <welly> i don't know either
[12:00] <sleeper> mmmmm i dont find information in google
[12:00] <membreya> hmmmmm what resolution do people run their console's at at boot?
[12:00] <membreya> aside from default
[12:01] <maLKoc> console=terminal,isn't it?
[12:01] <membreya> ya you know what I mean :)
[12:01] <maLKoc> :)
[12:02] <maLKoc> i love ubuntu :)
[12:04] <membreya> ubuntu doesn't use xinetd.conf does it ?
[12:04] <lunitik> membreya: it does
[12:05] <membreya> no wonder my hotwayd isn't working :P
[12:05] <membreya> lol
[12:05] <lunitik> membreya: wait... no... it uses netbase-inetd I think
[12:07] <lunitik> gah... inetd for serving servers that shouldn't be up all the time (for instance ftp..)
[12:07] <lunitik> What is that called.... this is gonna bug me  :(
[12:07] <membreya> i need to run hotwayd at all times :)
[12:07] <sharke> hello
[12:07] <membreya> hi sharke :)
[12:08] <lunitik> membreya: you'd use inetd for that (xinetd branched from inetd due to disagreements etc)
[12:09] <lunitik> membreya: Red Hat and friends use Xinetd, Debian and friends use Inetd
[12:09] <sharke> anyone using hoary
[12:09] <lifeless> lunitik: debian packages both.
[12:10] <lunitik> lifeless: eh... if I recall, something that xinetd depends on depends netbase-inetd ... wasteful having both installed
[12:10] <membreya> lifeless: so if I add lines to xinetd and then hup it ...it will load the server?
[12:10] <lunitik> lifeless: one of the more brain-damaged depends imo
[12:11] <lunitik> eh... netkit-inetd ... but yeah... xinetd depends netbase, depends netkit-inetd ... annoying
[12:12] <klashniv> I downloaded ubuntu using jigdo, the instructions to do it weren't very clear but I managed
[12:12] <klashniv> I would like to share my experience with others, where can I send the instructions
[12:13] <cef> the wiki is probably the best place
[12:13] <Alex1> hi
[12:13] <lunitik> klashniv: sign up for an account on the wiki, and maybe make a new page... or edit the one that wasn't that great?
[12:13] <sharke> hello alex
[12:13] <klashniv> thanks, will look at the wiki, do I have to join or sign up or is it public editable
[12:14] <klashniv> sorry, question was answered
[12:14] <Alex1> someone can help me to set different wallpapers in each workin area pls?
[12:14] <lunitik> Alex1: can't be done afaik
[12:14] <cef> you need an account for the wiki, but it's just a simple rego and get a password to login, then you can edit
[12:14] <klashniv> ok
[12:15] <Alex1> lunitik, are you sure? it's strange :s
[12:15] <membreya> hrm..installed hotwayd but it's not giving me the right logins
[12:15] <membreya> ie when I telnet it's not giving me the greeting
[12:15] <klashniv> anyone been able to download hoary using jigdo?
[12:15] <sharke> klashniv how about a howto on ubuntu forums
[12:15] <delltony> anyone here been able to get gmplayer to work on hoary i'm having issues ;) as in no worky worky
[12:16] <klashniv> will try wiki first
[12:16] <Alex1> i ask again: someone can help me to set different wallpapers in each workin area pls?
[12:16] <lifeless> membreya: yes, hup xinted majes it reload IIRC.
[12:16] <selinium_> hi all, I have tried to update to hoary but now there are loads of packages in synaptic that are upgradable but missing files eg: libwxgtk2.4. I am not sure my sources.list is complete.  Any help gratefullly received
[12:17] <klashniv> had always downloaded and updated debian isos using jigdo, is ubuntu going to use it much?
[12:17] <daniels> klashniv: jigdo works for me
[12:17] <sharke> selinium try upgrading again
[12:18] <delltony> gmplayer hates me haha
[12:18] <daniels> (i build my own isos from my local mirror)
[12:18] <klashniv> as far as I can tell hoary still can't be downloaded via jigdo, unless someone discovered how?
[12:18] <klashniv> daniels, on hoary or warty?
[12:18] <freetech> hey
[12:18] <freetech> :)
[12:19] <selinium_> sharke: i will give it a go!
[12:19] <membreya> hrm, it's not loading hotwayd :| ...will keep bashin :)
[12:19] <klashniv> Alex1: are you referring to workspaces?
[12:19] <sharke> good luck
[12:20] <Alex1> yes
[12:20] <Alex1> i want to put 4 differents wallpaper
[12:20] <Alex1> one for each workspace
[12:20] <Alex1> if it is possibile
[12:20] <TomAraya> night
[12:20] <sharke> Alex1 not possible
[12:20] <membreya> gaaah why isn't it loading @!#!@~#(
[12:21] <Alex1> sharke, is it a metacity limit?
[12:23] <jdub> Alex1: gnome doesn't support it yet; it's something that, if designed well, would almost immediately be committed
[12:23] <jdub> but no one's done it
[12:23] <mjr> what I'd like was proper xinerama support for backgrounds
[12:24] <mjr> at least so that there could be the same maximized image on both screens
[12:24] <daniels> klashniv: hoary
[12:24] <daniels> klashniv: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/jigit/
[12:24] <mjr> as it stands, I've a 1280x960 screen and a 1600x1200 screen, and I can't use the human backgrounds properly :I
[12:25] <daniels> klashniv: and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-5/ contains a bunch of jigdo templates -- I don't see the problem?
[12:25] <klashniv> daniels: templates are fine, its where to locate the actual files that is the problem
[12:25] <daniels> klashniv: which 'actual files'?
[12:25] <daniels> klashniv: do you mean the debs?
[12:26] <Alex1> bye
[12:26] <klashniv> jigdo downloads individual files and recreates the iso locally
[12:26] <daniels> klashniv: yes, so what you are are looking for is the debs?
[12:26] <delltony> anyone have a minute to help me with mplayer please more specific what does this mean when running gmplayer Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[12:26] <daniels> in that case, it's just the same ubuntu mirror you use
[12:26] <klashniv> yes, the debs
[12:26] <daniels> for me, this is /home/daniels/mirror/ubuntu
[12:26] <daniels> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ then
[12:26] <daniels> i'm positive this is documented somewhere
[12:27] <klashniv> its not, at least I couldn't find it
[12:28] <klashniv> doesn't http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ contain the old (warty) debs?
[12:28] <selinium_> sharke: Is it worth burnning an iso of hoary and installing from that?
[12:28] <daniels> klashniv: why would it contain warty and not hoary?
[12:29] <daniels> klashniv: check it out for yourself at that same URL, it loads in any web browser
[12:29] <sharke> selinium: i did dist upgrade from warty all ok
[12:29] <klashniv> daniels: I will try pointing jigdo to there using the hoary template and see what it says
[12:30] <daniels> klashniv: that was probably worth trying first
[12:30] <selinium_> sharke: Can you give me your sources.list file, I am not sure mine is right
[12:30] <klashniv> daniels: its the method I used to download warty so I figured it contained warty debs
[12:31] <selinium_> klashniv: both debs are there, read, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[12:31] <membreya> hmmm stupid question..should inetd.conf be executable? :P
[12:31] <membreya> feel free to slap me
[12:31] <membreya> but I can't get hotwayd to start
[12:31] <membreya> and it's driving me berk
[12:32] <sharke> selinium:# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[12:32] <sharke> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[12:32] <sharke> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[12:32] <sharke> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[12:33] <klashniv> selinium_: makes sense after reading that url, thanks
[12:33] <lunitik> sharke: why'd you comment one deb-src, but not the other?
[12:33] <klashniv> membreya: as far as I know, config files don't have to be executable
[12:35] <daniels> klashniv: yes, but that's why there are different warty and hoary jigdos.  the archive contains both.  as does the debian archive (woody/sarge/sid, probably still potato if it hasn't been kicked to saens yet).
[12:35] <lunitik> Someone can tell me if XChat scrolls through tabs when you mouse over and use wheel of mouse?
[12:36] <membreya> lunitik: not on mine
[12:37] <sharke> selenium: have a look here http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:37] <lunitik> membreya: heh... I just found it via Konversation... I think I'm too easily entertained
[12:38] <membreya> hmmmm do you use netstat -lp to check if a port is being listened on ?
[12:38] <bascule> netstat -pant
[12:39] <bascule> saves it turning up all the UNIX sockets too
[12:39] <membreya> gah why isn't hotwayd loading
[12:40] <membreya> bascule: allows you to check hotmail through email client
[12:40] <bascule> oh that thing, what about gotmail?
[12:40] <bascule> never used it, haven't git a hotmail account
[12:40] <membreya> i wanna know why THIS isn't loading though
[12:40] <bascule> *shudder*
[12:41] <membreya> i have the following in my inetd.conf
[12:41] <membreya> pop3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/hotwayd
[12:41] <delltony> membreya,  you ever got gmplayer to work :)
[12:41] <membreya> i use mplayer :)
[12:42] <lunitik> delltony: almost all mplayer GUI's are crippled at the moment (gmplayer, kplayer, kmplayer)
[12:42] <delltony> ok so its not me
[12:42] <delltony> good deal case closed
[12:42] <delltony> :)
[12:42] <bascule> fix it delltony
[12:42] <bascule> :P
[12:42] <delltony> yeah
[12:42] <delltony> if it had boobies i might
[12:42] <delltony> ;)
[12:42] <bascule> lol
[12:43] <delltony> that would rock and yes i'm sick
[12:43] <delltony> a boobie skin
[12:43] <delltony> tweak the nerple
[12:43] <delltony> :)
[12:43] <bascule> lol
[12:43] <klashniv> daniels: its downloading fine, thanks :)
[12:44] <klashniv> daniels: I meant hoary (using jigdo)
[12:45] <bascule> membreya: does it need an /etc/services entry too?
[12:45] <bascule> maybe I am guessing here
[12:45] <membreya> bascule: already added
[12:45] <bascule> k
[12:46] <bascule> restart the network?
[12:46] <bascule> restart xinetd?
[12:46] <membreya> using inetd
[12:46] <membreya> done a killall -HUP on it
[12:46] <bascule> k
[12:46] <membreya> I can invoke hotwayd manually
[12:46] <membreya> but as soon as I exit it doesn't do jack
[12:48] <klashniv> thanks everyone, have to leave now
[12:50] <membreya> how do I make an executable so everyone can run it ?
[12:50] <membreya> chown ..what?
[12:50] <bascule> 777
[12:50] <bascule> chmod 777
[12:50] <membreya> oh chmod :P
[12:50] <jdub> membreya: chmod +x <file>
[12:50] <bascule> or 744 for execute but not write
[12:51] <jdub> 777 is almost always entirely inappropriate
[12:51] <bascule> or is that 755
[12:51] <membreya> and it's STILL not loading it!
[12:51] <bascule> yeah 777 is for top level shared irs and that is about it
[12:51] <jdub> no, it is not
[12:51] <bascule> jdub: no?
[12:52] <membreya> going to reboot
[12:53] <bascule> membreya: might work, but I doubt it
[12:54] <membreya> should the inetd.conf have  /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/local/sbin/hotwayd or should it just have the /usr/local/sbin/hotwayd
[12:54] <membreya> I did a debug on inetd and it gave no errors
[12:54] <bascule> try both/either
[12:54] <bascule> *shrug*
[12:59] <djp> Help! Grrr!
[12:59] <djp> ubuntu is driving me nuts! is there anyone here who can help me!?
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> djp, calm down, tell us what's up
[01:00] <djp> i keep coming across dependency hell!
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> djp: warty or hoary?
[01:00] <djp> when i used fc3, i used the program tovid to create vcd/svcd's
[01:01] <djp> so far i have had nothing but trouble getting transcode, tovid, avidemux etc, etc to install!
[01:01] <djp> HiddenWold: warty
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> djp: have you been compiling?
[01:02] <cr4z3d> hey can someone help me with this..
[01:02] <cr4z3d> everytime i boot ubuntu i get a fatal error and it stops
[01:02] <djp> HiddenWolf: no i have been adding repositories to sources.list
[01:02] <cr4z3d> cuz it checks for my floppy drive which i don't have
[01:02] <HiddenWolf> djp: debian repro's by any chance?
[01:02] <HiddenWolf> cr4z3d: what's the exact error?
[01:03] <djp> HiddenWolf: I have been using the repositories recommended at www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:03] <membreya> yeah! I got hotwayd to work :D
[01:03] <membreya> just reinstalled
[01:03] <bascule> ? Ah well whatever worked :)
[01:04] <HiddenWolf> djp: what are the errors you are getting?
[01:04] <djp> HiddenWolf: universe enabled, multiverse, debian-marillat and warty-backports
[01:05] <cr4z3d> FATAL ERROR: no floppy or something
[01:05] <cr4z3d> this device does not exist
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> djp: are ubuntu-base, -desktop installed?
[01:06] <djp> HiddenWolf: one example... avidemux will not install because it depends on libartssc0, libasound2, libglib2.0-0, libgtk2.0-0, libpangol1.0-0, libsdl1.2debian, libxml2
[01:06] <cr4z3d> i can turn it on again and tell you if you want
[01:06] <HiddenWolf> cr4z3d: please do
[01:06] <cr4z3d> ok
[01:06] <djp> HiddenWolf: ubuntu-base, -desktop installed? sorry not quite with you?
[01:07] <cr4z3d> starting hotplug subsystem...
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> djp: open a terminal: do 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <cr4z3d> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/floppy.ko): No such device
[01:08] <brainZzZ> i have such devices at home
[01:08] <djp> HiddenWolf: sorry, both are installed
[01:08] <HiddenWolf> cr4z3d: try to disable it in bios, then try again
[01:08] <cr4z3d> there is no option for it in bios
[01:08] <HiddenWolf> djp: good, then there's nothing seriously wrong
[01:08] <brainZzZ> there is no option in any of the display settings to make it that
[01:08] <cr4z3d> it's a laptop and ichecked for the floppy spot in the bios about 50 times
[01:09] <cr4z3d> the bios actually sucks.. there's almost nothing in it
[01:09] <HiddenWolf> cr4z3d: most laptop bios's that way
[01:09] <cr4z3d> oh ok
[01:09] <djp> HiddenWolf: is it that i cannot use any tools to convert to vcd svcd under ubuntu?
[01:09] <HiddenWolf> djp: have you tried looking for those libs that it says it needs?
[01:10] <HiddenWolf> djp: I've never tried, I don't know what tools are out there.
[01:10] <djp> HiddenWolf: via apt-get?
[01:10] <HiddenWolf> djp: yup
[01:10] <cr4z3d> is it possible to just stop it from checking that?
[01:11] <djp> HiddenWolf: i believe that apt-get is trying to resolve the dependencies but the versions of each file it finds is older than the required file
[01:11] <HiddenWolf> cr4z3d: it sounds to me like you're running into a modprobe bug, but I'm no expert
[01:11] <cr4z3d> yeah.. i guess what should i do? i tried posting on the forums but no responce so far
[01:12] <HiddenWolf> djp: which repro do the files come from? multiverse/universe or something else?
[01:13] <selinium_> sharke: are you still about
[01:13] <selinium_> ?
[01:13] <selinium_> Is any one here running hoary?
[01:14] <HiddenWolf> selinuim_: check
[01:15] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: When you upgraed, in synaptic, where you left with lots of Installed (upgradedable) packages?
[01:15] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: upgraded even
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: no, check if ubuntu-base /desktop are installed, update again, and dist-upgrade
[01:17] <HiddenWolf> djp: still around?
[01:17] <djp> HiddenWolf: hmm, i think i have just learnt something *blushes*, let me know if i am correct. using synaptic i can force a version of the tool to install. if i use a different version i can get it to install!
[01:18] <HiddenWolf> djp: that works,  yup. there is even a force version flag for apt-get, which was what I was going to recomend to you. :)
[01:18] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: I have ubuntu-base 0.3 Is this the correct one?
[01:18] <brainZzZ> Hmm. Well, to be honest I think I have just been forgetting to open the IRC
[01:18] <cr4z3d> ah.. damn now i have to go to school.. hope i can get this to work later
[01:18] <djp> HiddenWolf: it appears that if i try and install a latest, latest, LATEST version, it all falls apart due to dependency issues. However if i fall back and try to install an older version it installs...
[01:18] <HiddenWolf> selinium: version doesn't matter, just have base and desktop installed, then update and dist-upgrade
[01:19] <HiddenWolf> djp: that means that some goof in debian updated a new version, but forgot to upload the new libraries aswel
[01:19] <djp> HiddenWolf: i should have remembered the force command to be honest from fc3! i feel a right prat!
[01:19] <selinium_> Have done that twice now and I stil have the same problems. I only wanted to upgrade battle for wesnoth! :)
[01:19] <brainZzZ> we had a big laugh over that, but it's basically how i feel about it
[01:20] <HiddenWolf> djp: relax: fc3 actually has a dependency hell. With debian-based systems it's quite rare
[01:20] <djp> HiddenWolf: thanks for your help. i'm off to play. really don't want to give up on ubuntu as i like the distro overall.
[01:20] <HiddenWolf> djp: good, no problem, and enjoy the ride
[01:21] <zzyber> Does someone know of an app to stream videos?
[01:21] <djp> HiddenWolf: one last question, would you recommend sticking to the debian philosophy regards free software (ie no java, mp3 blah, blah, blah) or not?
[01:21] <HiddenWolf> djp: depends: are you masochistic?
[01:21] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: I have run update twice now and still have the same problems
[01:21] <HiddenWolf> selinium: upgrade and dist-upgrade are two different things, you know that right?
[01:22] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: Yep! Done both twice
[01:22] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: Update /dist-upgrade twice
[01:23] <HiddenWolf> selinium: then either the repro is broken at the moment, or you'll just have to upgrade by hand for those packages. either way, something happened that wasn't supposed to happen.
[01:25] <HiddenWolf> cr3z3d: still around?
[01:25] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: Damn! What would you suggest to do? here is one erroron upgrade. Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>=2.4.2.6) but 2.4.2.4ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:26] <selinium_> For audacity
[01:26] <HiddenWolf> seliunium_ broken repro, bad luck, wait
[01:27] <membreya> hmmm is gaim-vv an addon to gaim or is it seperate?
[01:28] <cyberix> I can't get DMAs turned on. I have a samsung IDE dvd-rw drive and Seagate barracuda serial ata harddisk.
[01:28] <membreya> cyberix: have you tried hdparm -d1 /dev/hda?
[01:28] <membreya> for your cdrom
[01:28] <membreya> the SATA you can't control
[01:29] <cyberix>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[01:29] <cyberix>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[01:29] <cyberix>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[01:29] <membreya> welcome to my world :(
[01:29] <HiddenWolf> cyberix: sudo
[01:30] <cyberix> root@jacknapier:/home/chikatilo # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[01:31] <membreya> god..bitchx..there's an IRC client I havent seen in a while
[01:31] <cyberix> So there is no way of turning the serial ata drive dma on. :-P
[01:32] <djp> HiddenWolf: haha!! sorry, had to put our little one to bed. masochistic in the fact that without certain installs, web browsing and file playback becomes a barren past-time?!
[01:32] <png> how can i change console charset?
[01:33] <brainZzZ> hey wat's the difference between a soft-mod and a modded xbox besides the fact that one has a modchip inside?
[01:33] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: I have found i have both libpng10 and libpng12 do i need both?
[01:34] <delltony> any word on array 6 yet?
[01:34] <BockBilbo> hello
[01:35] <BockBilbo> im making a web server using ubuntu
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> selinium: It's really not a good idea to upgrade off a broken repro
[01:35] <BockBilbo> ive installed warty in a custom (basic) installation and then dist-upgraded it to hoary...
[01:35] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: SO how do i go back?
[01:35] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me whats the base package to install the x window system?
[01:35] <selinium_> HiddenWolf:  :)
[01:35] <BockBilbo> (i want to install wmaker instead of gnome)
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> selium_: you can try uninstalling packages that you think you don't need, and see if they would take anything else with them. if so, you still need them. or you can install deborphan
[01:36] <png_> how can i change console charset?
[01:36] <brainZzZ> need some help: I bought my old used laptop from my company with WinXP installed in a customized version. I would like to un-customize it, basicall, reinstall XP fresh, but don't have the install CD. what can I do?
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: if you did a dist-upgrade, you can't go back. Wait till it's fixed. :)
[01:36] <BockBilbo> brainZzZ, this is not a Windows channel
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> BlockBilbo: xserver-xfree
[01:36] <brainZzZ> BockBilbo: this is not about me
[01:37] <BockBilbo> HiddenWolf, xfree for hoary????
[01:37] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: You mean wait until hoa\ry is released of what, sorry very new to linux!
[01:37] <HiddenWolf> blockbilbo: xorg then
[01:37] <BockBilbo> HiddenWolf, i remember that the package for that in debian was x-window-system
[01:37] <BockBilbo> isnt there a package like that one?
[01:37] <HiddenWolf> selinium: you upgraded at a time when there was a dependency problem in the repro. In a few hours that will likely be fixed, so if you run update && dist-upgrade later, all will likely be well
[01:38] <HiddenWolf> bockbilbo: there likely is, but you can just install xorg, and all will be fine
[01:38] <membreya> is gaim-vv an addon to gaim or is it seperate?
[01:38] <brainZzZ> - let me love your bottom, and all will be as one
[01:38] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: Thanks for all your help! I will try again later. Cheers!
[01:38] <BockBilbo> ok, so just xserver-xorg and then wmaker
[01:38] <BockBilbo> right?
[01:39] <delltony> anyone know of a download manager for ubuntu hoary that works with flashgot?
[01:39] <HiddenWolf> blockbilbo: should do the trick, yes
[01:39] <BockBilbo> HiddenWolf, thanks
[01:40] <png_> how can i change console charset?
[01:40] <HiddenWolf> bockbilbo: install xorg-common
[01:40] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:43] <BockBilbo> any of you know of a WIreless PCi card that works in ubuntu?
[01:43] <acidmaxd> png_: dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[01:44] <acidmaxd> BockBilbo: d-link dwl-520 (not plus!)
[01:44] <membreya> BockBilbo: mine works :)
[01:44] <png_> thx acidmaxd
[01:44] <BockBilbo> membreya, which is yours?
[01:44] <acidmaxd> BockBilbo: the chipset is Atheros (ath0)
[01:45] <BockBilbo> ive just boughr a conceptronic one... but doesnt work
[01:45] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:45] <membreya> but I ripped it out ..I prefer wired :P netgear WG311 v2 (acx1111 chipset)
[01:46] <BockBilbo> thanks acidmaxd and membreya
[01:46] <BockBilbo> :D
[01:46] <cyberix> Now that alsa has fixed sound problems in Linux. I'd see DMA as one of the biggest problems.
[01:47] <cyberix> Specially to users that don't know anything about computers.
[01:47] <brainZzZ> you are one of the biggest liars here next to cyberix
[01:47] <robbie_> hello
[01:51] <membreya> gah ..what's the command to remove something if you've make installed it ?
[01:52] <membreya> I give up on gaim-vv
[01:53] <housetier> membreya sometimes you can "make uninstall" it
[01:54] <housetier> membreya next time try "sudo checkinstall -D make install" which will build a .deb package. this can be easily (un)installed with dpkg
[01:55] <trigx300> hello
[01:56] <trigx300> does anyone know if its possible to config a boot loader to boot directly into mythtv
[01:56] <durianking> I'm using vi to edit/view content of one file, once I exit vi, I'm not able to see the content any more in bash. How to set vi/terminal to retain the content? I'm using gnome-terminal?
[01:57] <BockBilbo> whats the best way to control a linux system remotely?
[01:57] <BockBilbo> shh?
[01:57] <BockBilbo> ssh?
[01:58] <BockBilbo> is there smthing like vnc in ubuntu?
[01:59] <delltony> Xvnc
[02:00] <BockBilbo> delltony, does it include the server?
[02:00] <delltony> you running ubuntu?
[02:00] <membreya> housetier: thanks for that :)
[02:01] <Jug_> is it possible to configure ubuntu to mount devices automatically when I plug them(mp3-player,camera) with hal,gnome-volume-manager?
[02:01] <sjoerd> Jug_: that's done by default
[02:01] <BockBilbo> delltony, yep
[02:01] <delltony> sudo apt-get install linuxvnc
[02:01] <Jug_> sjoerd: at least it doesnt work for me
[02:01] <BockBilbo> thanks
[02:02] <delltony> or you can go to realvnc's website and download the server
[02:02] <delltony> or tightvnc and download theres
[02:02] <delltony> but with Xvnc what i have noticed you have to do the following to get the correct screen
[02:02] <delltony> export DISPLAY:0
[02:03] <sjoerd> Jug_: warty or hoary ?
[02:03] <delltony> and then it will work
[02:03] <BockBilbo> delltony, so which one should i try? xvnc or linuxvnc?
[02:03] <Jug_> sjoerd: warty
[02:03] <delltony> well i had Xvnc on warty not sure if it works on hoary or not
[02:03] <delltony> i looked in repository and can't find it
[02:03] <BockBilbo> linuxvnc is on the reps
[02:04] <jdub> BockBilbo: do you want to serve an independent session, or do you want to export your current display?
[02:05] <delltony> there is also this big thing called remote desktop in gnome that lets you run vnc if i remember correctly
[02:06] <BockBilbo> jdub, i dont care
[02:06] <BockBilbo> see i want to have a pc without an screen
[02:06] <BockBilbo> so i guess i want to see my current dusplay
[02:06] <delltony> bock is remote desktop what your wanting
[02:06] <delltony> what exactly are you wanting to do?
[02:07] <delltony> run applications from the other computer or what?
[02:07] <BockBilbo> well just remote control my pc
[02:07] <delltony> as in what they see ont here end you see on yours?
[02:08] <BockBilbo> i guess
[02:08] <delltony> reason i say that is you could always ssh into the box and export the display to your screen
[02:08] <BockBilbo> the idea is to leave the pc on all the day
[02:08] <delltony> like export DISPLAY:10 or something
[02:08] <delltony> then run say firefox
[02:08] <delltony> and it will load on your screen
[02:08] <jdub> BockBilbo: open Remote Desktop in preferences, configure it.
[02:08] <BockBilbo> mmm
[02:08] <BockBilbo> jdub,  i dont have it
[02:08] <BockBilbo> im not using gnome
[02:09] <BockBilbo> its and old computer
[02:09] <BockBilbo> so i isntalled wmaker
[02:09] <jdub> run vino-preferences
[02:09] <delltony> oh you using flux or osmething?
[02:09] <BockBilbo> window maker delltony
[02:09] <BockBilbo> this pc is a pentium 600
[02:09] <BockBilbo> with 64 mb of ram memory
[02:09] <BockBilbo> i want to install the basic software
[02:09] <BockBilbo> and then use it as a webserver
[02:10] <BockBilbo> using apache
[02:10] <delltony> well id ssh into it
[02:10] <delltony> and pass the display
[02:10] <BockBilbo> the idea is to keep the pc on the whole day without no keyboard, mouse or screen
[02:10] <membreya> isn't ubuntu a bad choice then ?
[02:10] <BockBilbo> and remote control it from my laptop
[02:11] <evarlast> ubuntu isn't server focused, but it is still and excellent server.
[02:11] <plut> hi
[02:11] <brainZzZ> My idea is to keep the mexicans who are here illegally and do***ent them. My motives are economic.
[02:11] <membreya> hi plut
[02:11] <BockBilbo> delltony, so by sshing to it, i will be able to visualize the x window system just by doing that display thing?
[02:11] <plut> anyone here know where i can get the kernel sources for ubuntu?
[02:11] <membreya> plut: just apt-get them
[02:11] <plut> apt-get kernel-sources ?
[02:12] <delltony> well what i would do is this
[02:12] <delltony> it just depends on what you want
[02:12] <delltony> if you want to control the stuff fom a lapy
[02:12] <delltony> then screen it
[02:12] <delltony> go to the desktop go to the console and screen
[02:12] <BockBilbo> delltony, i just want to control the old pc from my laptop if i were on it
[02:12] <BockBilbo> *like if i were on it
[02:12] <delltony> then go to the lappy and screen -x or screen -r
[02:13] <delltony> then in that case you want Xvnc
[02:13] <BockBilbo> yep
[02:13] <BockBilbo> :)
[02:13] <jdub> no, you want vino
[02:13] <BockBilbo> jdub, what is vino?
[02:13] <jdub> GNOME's remote desktop tool, which exports the current desktop via VNC.
[02:13] <BockBilbo> mm interesting
[02:14] <BockBilbo> but
[02:14] <BockBilbo> does it work if use wmaker isntead of gnome???
[02:14] <jdub> On hoary, it uses the DAMAGE extension, which is vastly more efficient than other implementations.
[02:14] <jdub> yes, it's just a program
[02:14] <delltony> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/dist/vnc-3.3.3r1_x86_linux_2.0.tar.Z
[02:14] <jdub> delltony: dude, the normal vnc tools are in ubuntu.
[02:15] <delltony> i understand that
[02:15] <delltony> but he was saying he didn't use gnome
[02:15] <trigx300> has anyone installed a prog like mythtv or freevo?
[02:15] <delltony> so i wasn't sure what he had
[02:15] <jdub> delltony: ubuntu having vnc has nothing to do with gnome
[02:15] <delltony> the remote desktop does i thought but ok
[02:15] <jdub> delltony: if you think you need to compile anything, triple-check first.
[02:16] <jdub> vino is totally different from the other vnc tools, which are also already in ubuntu.
[02:16] <acidmaxd> vino is the embedded vnc server
[02:16] <acidmaxd> vnc tools = vnc client
[02:17] <jdub> the vnc distribution also includes xvncserver
[02:17] <durianking> I found the solution for my vi problem, create ~/.exrc and put
[02:17] <durianking> set t_ti= t_te=
[02:17] <delltony> ok ill remember that
[02:17] <durianking> should be ":set t_ti= t_te= "
[02:17] <durianking> without double-quote
[02:18] <BockBilbo> ok.. so now i got vino
[02:18] <BockBilbo> can i configure it from the shell?
[02:18] <jdub> well, you could use gconftool-2 directly, but that's a tad hard
[02:19] <BockBilbo> mm
[02:19] <BockBilbo> ok
[02:19] <jdub> just run vino-preferences when you're running X
[02:19] <BockBilbo> brb
[02:19] <BockBilbo> gonna try it
[02:26] <klashniv> just a quick question, whats default root password on the ubuntu live cds (warty)?
[02:26] <Xappe> there is no root password
[02:27] <Xappe> use sudo
[02:27] <HiddenWolf> klashniv: ubuntu/ubuntu
[02:27] <HiddenWolf> Xappe: on the livecd you need the default user pass. :)
[02:27] <soundsys> hi
[02:28] <HiddenWolf> klashniv: ubuntu disables root by default, you use sudo as a user, but the password you're looking for is ubuntu.
[02:28] <soundsys> anyone already got that: undef. ref. to __syscall_error when linking with pthreads ?
[02:28] <Xappe> HiddenWolf, yes, but that's not the root account :)
[02:28] <klashniv> this is a live cd
[02:28] <HiddenWolf> Xappe: the piont of this is to tell people what they need to know, not to confuse them.
[02:28] <klashniv> was configuring network and was asked for root password
[02:29] <HiddenWolf> klashniv: on the livecd, you are the user 'ubuntu' with the password 'ubuntu'
[02:29] <HiddenWolf> klashniv: so what you need to type is 'ubuntu'
[02:29] <klashniv> ok, let me try using ubuntu as password
[02:29] <brainZzZ> hiddenwolf: what you need to know pal /
[02:29] <username> when I start ubuntu, there's an X in the exact middle of the screen, and the mouse can go underneath it. What's the secret to removing this?
[02:29] <HiddenWolf> brainzzz: nothing, I'm just lecturing. :)
[02:30] <brainZzZ> I'm just a lost soul in the valley of darkness.
[02:30] <HiddenWolf> brainzzz: good for you, in my universe, there is no sun, and the candles ran out. :)
[02:30] <username> also, what controls the colour depth of the screen?
[02:31] <brainZzZ> HiddenWolf:  Deuteronomy 4:19 -- And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven. -  (KJV)
[02:31] <plut> who here's installed a nforce2 board on linux?
[02:31] <plut> with the mcp drivers?
[02:31] <klashniv> ubuntu as password doesn't work!
[02:32] <klashniv> yes, I have double checked spelling
[02:33] <HiddenWolf> brainzzz: the faith denounces me, so i denounce the faith
[02:33] <plut> mmm
[02:33] <brainZzZ> been there, crushed dry chilies at home, thank god, making spagetti, the tears came, so I rubbed my eyes, poor move, it was pure hell. head under the tap for an hour
[02:34] <soundsys> so nobody had this problem ?
[02:34] <plut> another thing - what's the syntax for mounting a drive with specific user permissions?
[02:34] <plut> soundsys, what problem?
[02:34] <soundsys> anyone already got that: undef. ref. to __syscall_error when linking with pthreads ?
[02:34] <plut> :/
[02:34] <plut> no
[02:34] <soundsys> ok
[02:34] <Amaranth> yikes i need to get my hoary machine online more often
[02:34] <plut> erf
[02:34] <Amaranth> 537 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded. Need to get 372MB of archives.
[02:35] <brainZzZ> i need to get my chips together and just buy an ounce
[02:36] <klashniv> Applications > System Tools > Network Tools, pick ethernet device, configure, "you need administrative privileges, enter your root password", ubuntu, invalid password
[02:37] <klashniv> I didn't login, just booted the live cd and i went straight to a gnome desktop
[02:38] <brainZzZ> when i left my house i saw some people walking around looking for a dog, they seemed pretty vexed by the situation, and i went on a bikeride and on the way i saw a small dog standing on this trail, looking around, and i rode up to the road and a girl was there and i was like, Hey is that your dog? and she said yes, so then my countenance fell, because i thought maybe, you know.
[02:41] <plut> mmm
[02:42] <plut> what cmd do i use to emerge the kernel sources?
[02:42] <klashniv> well, thanks for the advice, got to go now, will leave live cd issues for another time
[02:44] <plut> mmm
[02:44] <plut> i seriously need some help
[02:44] <plut> any takers :(
[02:46] <StoffBox-Steve> plut, i think this is will be awesome for you ;) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?expr=HowTo
[02:48] <plut> lol
[02:48] <plut> :P
[02:49] <plut> thansk
[02:49] <plut> that's all i needed
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[02:49] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[02:55] <deepsight> hello, i have a problem when i try to play a mp3/video from my HDD in the external cradle, it makes a click sound thats kinda annoying, any clues on this
[02:55] <deepsight> i think my usb is 1.1
[03:06] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Got ubuntu warty on my AMD box.. and have a little isssue. :P it keeps setting the Hardware clock wrong.
[03:07] <Dr_willis> boot messages mention use -(somthing I fgorget) option to find other ways to detect the HW clock.
[03:07] <Zindar> dr_willis: wrong timezone?
[03:07] <Dr_willis> i wonder what service/command script is doing that.
[03:07] <Dr_willis> Zindar,  i set the zone in install same as other pc's i got.
[03:07] <plut> wheee
[03:07] <plut> it works
[03:07] <plut> :P
[03:08] <Dr_willis> right now - twittling with X. it dident configure X right. :(
[03:08] <plut> whoever gave me that how-to link
[03:08] <plut> thanks
[03:08] <plut> you pwn :P
[03:15] <delltony> anyone been able to get wine-tools to install correctly on hoary ?
[03:15] <randabis-laptop> Hello everyone, long time no see
[03:17] <Xappe> anyone here that uses a cmi8738 sound card with ubuntu?
[03:17] <Xappe> got one from a frien of mine and want to know if there is any problems getting it up and running
[03:20] <linuxboy> How do i get mozilla-thunderbird to open up for the write mail thing when I click on a mail link in firefox
[03:20] <BockBilbo> anyone knows witch are the typical refresh rates in a crt screen?
[03:20] <linuxboy> BockBilbo: depends on your monitor
[03:20] <BockBilbo> i cant visualize properly the xserver in ubuntu
[03:21] <Amaranth> linuxboy: Desktop > Preferences > Preferred Applications
[03:21] <BockBilbo> linuxboy, this is my monitor
[03:21] <BockBilbo> http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=0&q1=03k9931&uid=psg1DETR-3Z4LFQ&loc=en_US&cs=utf-8&cc=us&lang=en
[03:21] <zzyber> how do i apply a patch? I have downloaded the sourcecode and the patch but now?
[03:21] <Amaranth> linuxboy: That's in hoary, not sure about warty
[03:21] <Amaranth> zzyber: man patch
[03:21] <linuxboy> Amaranth: what must i select?
[03:22] <Amaranth> linuxboy: Err, make the mail reader one open thunderbird
[03:22] <Amaranth> if it isn't in the list choose custom and type in the command
[03:22] <linuxboy> Amaranth: theres no thunderbird there
[03:22] <brainZzZ> or type in the command
[03:22] <linuxboy> doesnt work
[03:23] <linuxboy> opens a 'select profile' window if i do that
[03:23] <Amaranth> yeah, because thunderbird is already open
[03:23] <linuxboy> Amaranth: how do i make it not do that?
[03:23] <Amaranth> close thunderbird :P
[03:23] <Amaranth> i can't remember the real fix
[03:24] <Amaranth> brb
[03:24] <linuxboy> I want the real fix
[03:24] <Fr33man> hi, is there any boot loader after installing ubuntu?
[03:24] <linuxboy> Fr33man: grub is installed
[03:24] <Fr33man> well thanks
[03:25] <MrKeuner> is hoary the stable release?
[03:25] <jdub> no
[03:25] <MrKeuner> or is it still warty?
[03:25] <jdub> hoary is the current devel branch
[03:25] <MrKeuner> oh ok I thought I heard that it went stable
[03:26] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[03:26] <MrKeuner> warty apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing after a clean install from installation cd. does that mean there is no updates to warty after cd release?
[03:26] <jdub> you don't need to believe what you hear
[03:26] <jdub> not unless you've got security enabled (assuming it didn't already update during install)
[03:27] <MrKeuner> it could not since there were no WAN connection
[03:29] <MrKeuner> do you mean enabling security updates? like the debian stable case?
[03:30] <MrKeuner> this line I guess... deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[03:30] <MrKeuner> ok
[03:34] <Alex1> hi all
[03:34] <Alex1> someone can help me with xsane pls?
[03:36] <Alex1> someone can help me with xsane pls?
[03:36] <eyequeue> whatever it is, repeating won't help
[03:37] <Alex1> sorry :)
[03:37] <saphari_> is there a way to automatically open servers on x-chat?  :)
[03:37] <eyequeue> saphari_:  "open" servers?
[03:38] <eyequeue> saphari_:  are you looking to run an ircd?
[03:38] <Alex1> when program start it detect only /dev/video0 (webcam) and not /.dev/usb/scanner0
[03:38] <Alex1> how can i switch them
[03:39] <saphari_> i mean i to atuo connect and auto join
[03:39] <Alex1> saphari_, click on edit on the servers you want  into server list then check connect automactically on start
[03:39] <brainZzZ> prolly irc oppers on the servers your bots were on
[03:39] <eyequeue> saphari_:  choose the network you want to connect to, and edit it, ^S
[03:40] <saphari_> ok, thanks
[03:41] <mastertet> Hi, I just install ubuntu, very nice setup I must say. One problem, it can't mount my usb stick. Can someone tell me what is the file system on a usb stick so I can mount it manually before reformating it as fat?
[03:42] <membreya> hmmm how do I make my logon resolution the same as my session??
[03:42] <saphari_> ok got that
[03:43] <saphari_> is there away to get to the channels auto?
[03:43] <saphari_> i don't know x-chat
[03:43] <eyequeue> saphari_:  yes
[03:43] <eyequeue> saphari_:  in that same dialog where you edit the network, look for channels to join
[03:44] <saphari_> even if it is more then one?
[03:44] <eyequeue> saphari_:  it says "channelS" :)
[03:45] <alfred300p> hey. i need a little help mounting a local vfat filesystem. anybody? :)
[03:45] <saphari_> ok, i'll give it a try 'females huh'  lol
[03:45] <plut> is there a ftp program anyone can recommend for me?
[03:45] <saphari_> hope you guys never give up on me
[03:45] <plut> with a GUI
[03:45] <membreya> gftp :)
[03:45] <membreya> plut
[03:45] <plut> kk
[03:45] <plut> :D
[03:46] <plut> yar?
[03:46] <plut> oh ya
[03:46] <plut> solved my problem
[03:46] <plut> :D
[03:46] <plut> kernel sources installed
[03:46] <membreya> :)
[03:46] <plut> now i'm rebuilding the kenrl
[03:46] <plut> kernel
[03:46] <membreya> hmmm how do I make my logon resolution the same as my session??
[03:46] <eyequeue> quit smoking?
[03:47] <eyequeue> i don't know anything about resolutions
[03:47] <membreya> smoking is good :)
[03:47] <plut> http://m0002.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_sw_knights_of_the_old_republic_2.shtml#Knights%20of%20the%20Old%20Republic%202%20v2.0%20[ENGLISH] %20No-CD/Fixed%20EXE
[03:47] <plut> gah
[03:47] <membreya> :|
[03:47] <plut> Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.dsc' failed.
[03:47] <plut> o_O
[03:48] <plut> patch: **** write error : No space left on device
[03:48] <plut> dpkg-source: failure: patch gave error exit status 2
[03:48] <plut> wtf
[03:48] <plut> :(
[03:48] <eyequeue> plut:  sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[03:48] <plut> not enough free space
[03:48] <plut> oms
[03:48] <plut> :(
[03:49] <eyequeue> plut:  df /usr/src/
[03:49] <saphari_> ok if i was irc admin of one server can i put that command in too?
[03:49] <saphari_> or do that manually?
[03:49] <eyequeue> saphari_:  see where it says connect command?
[03:50] <saphari_> yes
[03:50] <Alex1> how is possible to set a device on xsane?
[03:50] <eyequeue> saphari_:  you'll probably want to put a script in there, one you write in tcl or python
[03:50] <plut> /dev/hda5              1830261   1824947         0 100% /
[03:50] <plut> brb
[03:50] <alfred300p> how can i get a local vfat automounted partition to be acessible by any user? i added the 'user' option to fstab, but i still have to 'umount' and then 'mount' the partition again so i can read it with a regular user...
[03:51] <saphari_> i can do that bit manually
[03:51] <saphari_> ok let see if this works
[03:51] <eyequeue> plut:  perhaps "sudo apt-get clean" might be a start
[03:51] <saphari_> brb
[03:52] <mastertet> what could be the filesystem of my usb stick, ubuntu says it is not fat, ext3, ext3, ...
[03:52] <Alex1> xsane start using /dev/video0 , is possible to switch it on /dev/scanner0 ?
[03:52] <membreya> mastertet: usbfd
[03:52] <membreya> mastertet: usbfs
[03:52] <alfred300p> try vfat, mastertet
[03:52] <mastertet> thanks, I try those
[03:54] <saphari_> cool it worked,  but the second channel didn't open on one server
[03:54] <mastertet> membreya, usbfs mount it but I get weird folders and I can't find my files?
[03:55] <mastertet> membreya, I get folders: 001, 002, 003, 004 and a file: devices
[03:56] <membreya> what happened when you tried vfat?
[03:56] <membreya> and did you create a directory for it to mount ?
[03:57] <mastertet> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1
[03:57] <mastertet> ...
[03:57] <alfred300p> how can i get a local vfat automounted partition to be acessible by any user? i added the 'user' option (fstab: "/dev/hda2 /data vfat rw,users 0 0"), but i still have to 'umount' and then 'mount' the partition again so i can read it with a regular user... any thoughts?
[03:57] <mastertet> yes I created a directory
[03:57] <Alex1> noone can help me?
[03:59] <mastertet> membreya: I will copy the files on another computer before formating my pen drive as fat, then, it sould mount properly...
[03:59] <membreya> will brb
[03:59] <membreya> gotta reboot
[03:59] <umarmung> Alex1, do you have a tvtuner card in your box?
[03:59] <Alex1> no
[03:59] <Alex1> i've an usb hub and connected on it webcam and scanner
[04:00] <Alex1> ls -l /dev/scanner0
[04:00] <Alex1> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 2005-02-28 15:45 /dev/scanner0 -> /.dev/usb/scanner0
[04:00] <umarmung> Alex1, can you unload the modules for your webcam and run xsane again?
[04:01] <brainZzZ> hi.. I am running windows xp sp1a, and after rebooting and running my computer for a while doing normal tasks, it seems the CPU usage is at 99% for either svchost or system when I press alt-ctrl-del.. why could it be doing this? it makes my computer run really sluggish, even when I close everything cpu usage stays at 100% (not from idle process) .. could it be a virus, or drivers messing up?
[04:03] <Alex1> umarmung, how can i unload it?
[04:03] <membreya> hmmm my usb camera automatically mounts itself in a self creating directory
[04:04] <membreya> with the following flags
[04:04] <membreya> /dev/sdb1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,noatime,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[04:06] <mastertet> mebreya: the best way to format usb stick for compatibility is : mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda1 ?
[04:06] <jesus_> is there a way to copy a 60gig dir from ntfs to reiserfs (as fast as possible) and seeing progress?
[04:08] <MaxeyPad> just curious, is there a way to manage numerous ubuntu linux desktops ala MS Active Directory + Group policy yet
[04:09] <brainZzZ> hey... is there a way to setup a printer in my roommates room that i can use even if his computer is off?
[04:09] <shock> not if the printer is connected to his computer only
[04:14] <delltony> to make a cd back its dd io=/dev/hdc of=whatever.iso right?
[04:17] <aurelien_> hi there
[04:19] <aurelien_> so, hoary preview always planed for today? =] 
[04:19] <shock> ?
[04:24] <delltony> is that correct?
[04:24] <delltony> the dd statement i wrote?
[04:24] <Echylo> hi, I have a serious question, not computer related, but as you are a big group I hope I have some luck, I need to do an interview for english with an islam follower, so if someone is islam here or wants to play it, please pm me, I have 2 simple questions for you(and it's not a joke.. )
[04:25] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm guys, have a prob with webmin, i installed webmin, and put a new user in the miniserv.users like > steve:password , but when i try to login it fail :(
[04:25] <mastertet> membreya, strange, I could not put vfat on the usb stick, I'm presently using FAT16 (msdos) and it work well. Is it possible to put vfat on a 128 meg usb stick?
[04:26] <membreya> not sure, sorry mastertet
[04:26] <membreya> has anyone else had a problem with their startup3.wav not working???
[04:26] <mastertet> thats ok, at least it work now, and I like the popup nautilus window, ubuntu is impressive!
[04:27] <Echylo> membreya, you need to do something for you :p
[04:27] <Echylo> me*
[04:27] <Echylo> :p
[04:27] <membreya> what do I need to do
[04:27] <Echylo> you have read the question ^^^
[04:27] <aurelien_> hum not preview, but array CD 6
[04:28] <Echylo> you want to "play" an islam follower
[04:28] <Echylo> as I can't find anybody
[04:28] <aurelien_> preview sould be in 10 days =)
[04:28] <membreya> sorry my friend...agnostic person here :)
[04:28] <Echylo> I said play
[04:28] <Echylo> :p
[04:28] <Echylo> ow hell
[04:28] <membreya> im a tad biased :P
[04:28] <Echylo> then I'll interview myself
[04:30] <membreya> gah why isnt my startup sound playing
[04:30] <membreya> damn you ubuntu
[04:30] <aurelien_> i have the same problem membreya
[04:30] <membreya> I can play it in xmms just not in ubuntu startup itself
[04:30] <aurelien_> about settings that are reseted every reboot
[04:30] <membreya> and going to the sound preferences it won't allow me to preview the sound
[04:30] <aurelien_> my network settings and sound settings are not kept
[04:31] <Loiosh> Network settings? Really
[04:31] <aurelien_> yeah, for example , in install process i used ethernet, but now i use wifi, and i have to set it up as active every time
[04:31] <Loiosh> wifi card, PCMCIA or USB?
[04:31] <Twiggy> Hey what gstreamer lib will let me watch wmvs?
[04:32] <Goshawk> booting the system i read: "entering runlevel 2" does anybody know something about the script/program that generates it?
[04:32] <aurelien_> minipci
[04:32] <mastertet> Is it safe to use universe repository, I only use it to install mp32ogg and lyx?
[04:32] <Loiosh> Oh. I've never touched one of those.
[04:32] <Loiosh> What device does it attach to?
[04:32] <Loiosh> eth0, etc
[04:32] <aurelien_> ath0 (netgear)
[04:32] <aurelien_> but same thing with original ipw2200 intel
[04:32] <Loiosh> Do you have a start script for that?
[04:33] <aurelien_> the problem is not really settings (like WEP keys, these are ok), but about what card is active at boot up
[04:33] <aurelien_> hum no, i didnt look further that network-admin gui
[04:33] <aurelien_> =)
[04:33] <Loiosh> Yes. The start scripts control which dev.. heh
[04:34] <membreya> gah why isn't it loading the startup sound
[04:34] <Loiosh> Unfortunately I only have an older system here to check. Let me look at it.
[04:34] <membreya> don't make me google it!
[04:34] <aurelien_> i use hoary
[04:34] <aurelien_> why network-admin doesnt modify init scripts?
[04:35] <Loiosh> Well, I'm -guessing- that your machine doesn't know to use the ath0 instead of the eth0
[04:35] <aurelien_> yup
[04:35] <erlend_> hello. I have a frustrating problem. I use up-to-date hoary. For the last week, gnome has been stalling for 5 minutes right after i have logged in, before it actually loads. when it first loads, it runs perfectly. i don't know if this is a coincidence, but java has kind of a same problem, only it is a little faster to load. i have to wait 2-3 minutes for a java applet to even start loading. how can this be ?
[04:35] <Loiosh> Your start scripts are located... /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts I believe.
[04:35] <aurelien_> but it *should* as i select it in network-admin =] 
[04:35] <JimSinziger> Hi there!
[04:36] <aurelien_> ok thancks loiosh
[04:36] <aurelien_> i mean thanks
[04:36] <aurelien_> my english really sucks
[04:36] <aurelien_> lol
[04:36] <Loiosh> Welcome =) No worries
[04:36] <Loiosh> Take a look in that directory
[04:36] <aurelien_> yeah ok
[04:36] <Loiosh> I don't know if it's the same with your debian system
[04:37] <aurelien_> i am not a complete newbie so it wont be a p for me, but it can be an assle for people that dont want to go thru console and scripts
[04:37] <Loiosh> Yeah. That's why I've been reluctant to change.
[04:37] <Loiosh> For 10 years or so.
[04:37] <aurelien_> heh
[04:38] <Loiosh> Ironically, for my current job I became our linux compability tester... soo =) Time to learn.
[04:39] <JimSinziger> Well already was here yesterday, but nobody could help me. When I try to install Ubuntu, the only thing I see is the welcome screen and those help pages and after pressing enter with or without boot parameters, it says "loading /install/vmlinuz.... Loading /install/initrd.gz.... Ready. _" And nothing else happens. It's the same thing with Mandrake. But booting Gnoppix from CD works, and Gnoppix is
[04:39] <JimSinziger>  based on Ubuntu. I created a ext2 and a swap partition before trying to install.
[04:39] <ubernoob> i have added my user to 2 new groups.... i think i have heard that im not added at once... do i have to reboot?
[04:40] <Loiosh> Jim: Try disabling SCSI
[04:40] <JimSinziger> Loiosh: How?
[04:40] <Loiosh> Are you booting off a CD or running a cd install process?
[04:41] <JimSinziger> Loiosh: I boot from the Ubuntu-installation-disk
[04:41] <Loiosh> Hmm, I've never actually run it before. Does it give you a GRUB prompt before it start, or just go straight into the image?
[04:42] <delltony> question is there a 1.0.1 firefox version for ubuntu?
[04:42] <JimSinziger> Loiosh: It goes straight to the image...
[04:42] <Loiosh> Oh, darn. I don't know if there is a way to tell it to stop and let you type options. Have you checked the CD to make sure it doesn't have any read errors?
[04:42] <Darwin> yes the firefox 1.0.1 is avalaible for ubuntu
[04:43] <aurelien_> cool
[04:43] <Loiosh> I had that problem too with a bad CD drive that couldn't read the CD-R I was using
[04:43] <delltony> where about ? i can't find it when i do an apt-get update
[04:43] <JimSinziger> Loiosh: It would be strange, if the same error occured with three different CDs, or not?
[04:44] <JimSinziger> Loiosh: I can type options like linux noapic nolapic, of course...
[04:44] <Loiosh> Probably, then I'd suspect that it was hanging when it tried to probe.. oh
[04:44] <Loiosh> Well
[04:44] <delltony> Darwin, ?
[04:44] <Loiosh> noscsi and try fb1024x768
[04:45] <Loiosh> noscsi fb1024x768
[04:45] <Loiosh> Laptop, by chance?
[04:45] <Darwin> yes delltony?
[04:46] <JimSinziger> Loiosh: No laptop.
[04:46] <delltony> you said it is available where about?
[04:46] <delltony> i don't see it in synaptic
[04:46] <BockBilbo> whats the command to visualize the free space of the HD partitions?
[04:46] <Loiosh> df
[04:46] <Loiosh> Bock
[04:47] <Loiosh> Oh, well try those two options, Jim
[04:47] <delltony> all i have is 1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1(hoary) or is that 1.0.1 ?
[04:47] <JimSinziger> Okay, I'll to. Thank you!
[04:47] <Darwin> i runnun apt-get -i mozilla-firefox....instaled the firefox 1.0.1
[04:47] <BockBilbo> thanks
[04:47] <BockBilbo> :D
[04:47] <JimSinziger> I'll do, I wanted to say :)
[04:47] <Loiosh> Welcome. Hope it works for you =)
[04:50] <Darwin> i don't writter english god...
[04:51] <Loiosh> Welcome, Bock
[04:51] <membreya> well I posted my sound problem on the forum...hopefully I can get some help and pass it on to anyone else that's having the problem
[04:52] <Darwin> pero yo si pude instalar el mozilla firefox 1.0
[04:52] <Loiosh> That would be nice, Membreya =)
[04:52] <Darwin> i can install the firefox 1.0...with apt-get
[04:52] <Loiosh> I'm interested in the problem, though I don't have enough experience to even start to work on it myself
[04:53] <membreya> Loiosh: all I can do is click buttons and hope for the best :P
[04:54] <Loiosh> Heheh
[04:54] <Loiosh> If I knew how the sound devices were handled I could help, but I don't. =(
[04:58] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows how to log in remotely into gdm?
[04:58] <JimSinziger> Alright, I'm back again.
[04:58] <Loiosh> Hiya Jim =)
[04:58] <JimSinziger> Loiosh: It didn't work.
[04:59] <Loiosh> Still dying? Have you tried the Live CD by chance?
[04:59] <erlend_> Does anybody have any idea why gnome always stall for like 5 minutes, right after i log in. then it starts normally. it doesn't matter which user i log in with
[04:59] <JimSinziger> Well, no, but I tried the Gnoppix-Live-CD, and it's based on Ubuntu...
[04:59] <erlend_> i use hoary (up-to-date)
[05:00] <Jug_> is gnome or whole X11 broken in hoary?
[05:00] <Loiosh> I've never used Gnoppix before, truthfully.
[05:00] <_jon_> xorg is fine in hoary, i've had no trouble with xfce4, but gnome seems to shit the bed
[05:00] <JimSinziger> However, Gnoppix works without any problems :)
[05:00] <Loiosh> Does your monitor change resolutions, Jim?
[05:00] <Loiosh> Before it crashes?
[05:01] <JimSinziger> No.
[05:01] <Jug_> yeah, gnome looks pretty bad and cant do anything with it
[05:01] <Jug_> is it possible to downgrade from hoary to warty?
[05:01] <membreya> BockBilbo: vncviewer IP:0 <-- need to put the port you're using
[05:01] <Loiosh> It just shows it uncompressing the kernel and then dying?
[05:01] <_jon_> keep in mind that the gnome version in hoary is a development branch
[05:01] <Jug_> yeah I noticecd
[05:02] <_jon_> 2.10 shouldn't have any "problems"
[05:02] <JimSinziger> Jepp. Loading vmlinuz and Loading initrd.gz
[05:02] <_jon_> for now you could force a downgrade to 2.8
[05:02] <Jug_> but how?
[05:03] <jesus_> i installed gftp, but it's not in the startup list from gnome, how do i get it there?
[05:03] <membreya> jesus_: startup???
[05:03] <JimSinziger> And "Ready." Then there is a blinking cursor. Or the screen is cleared and then shows a blinking cursor.
[05:03] <Loiosh> The cursor keeps blinking though?
[05:03] <apokryphos> jesus_: Alt + F2 > gftp
[05:04] <JimSinziger> Yes, it keeps blinking.
[05:04] <_jon_> Jug_: make sure to have the warty sources in your sources.list
[05:04] <Loiosh> Oh, it's not crashing then, that's good
[05:04] <Loiosh> Does your CD stop spinning?
[05:04] <_jon_> then do an apt-get install --force-overwrite gnome-session/warty
[05:04] <JimSinziger> Yes, after a little while (I think less than a minute).
[05:04] <ubernoob> which is best? xmule or amule?
[05:04] <Jug_> _jon_: thanks
[05:05] <_jon_> np
[05:05] <apokryphos> ubernoob: limewire :P
[05:05] <membreya> azureus :P
[05:05] <apokryphos> limewire for mp3s; azureus and irc for films
[05:05] <Loiosh> ...you guys =)
[05:06] <ubernoob> havent tried limewire before... maybe i should give it a go
[05:06] <membreya> nah..azureus all the way :)
[05:06] <PacoBCN> good you're talking about this
[05:06] <PacoBCN> I downloaded many .torrent files but I was able to download only one of them
[05:06] <Loiosh> Jim, unfortunately I'm kinda lost on all this. I'd check with the start-up option list and try working through the features. Or ask others here.
[05:06] <apokryphos> ubernoob: very good idea. It's on the Gnutella network -- a huge network.
[05:06] <Loiosh> Sadly, I don't have that much experience with linux.
[05:06] <PacoBCN> it keeps saying Connection Error, and other kind of errors
[05:06] <JimSinziger> Hm...
[05:06] <PacoBCN> is that normal?
[05:07] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: you might want to look into port forwarding
[05:07] <JimSinziger> Thanks, Loiosh...
[05:07] <apokryphos> also, don't go for torrents that have too few seeds d/l's
[05:07] <aurelien_> where is the qarray cd 6 :x
[05:07] <PacoBCN> apokryphos, thanks, but if it worked with one it should work (about port forwarding)
[05:08] <JimSinziger> Alright, the next one, please! ;-)
[05:08] <PacoBCN> I opened the btorrent port
[05:08] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: Nope. Firewall/router can remarkably slow it down.
[05:08] <apokryphos> ok, have you verified this by listening to the port with Azureus?
[05:09] <mdke> hi there. I can't play wmv/quicktime files in totem, even tho i've installed w32codecs. Can someone help out? i'm using hoary
[05:09] <breitbandnudel> hi, could someone help me to geht opengl support with my at radeon 9600?
[05:09] <apokryphos> mdke: have you installed all the other codecs suggested on the site?
[05:09] <Jug_> _jon_: there is no option such as --force-overwrite
[05:09] <BockBilbo> how do i do to activate xdmcp in the client terminal  server?
[05:09] <PacoBCN> apokryphos, no, I didn't verify it and I'll do it now :)
[05:09] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: also, do your torrents definitely have a sufficient amount of seeds?
[05:09] <apokryphos> cool
[05:09] <_jon_> Jug_: sorry that's the dpkg option, i meant --force-yes
[05:09] <mdke> apokryphos, i know the wmv and quicktime ones are in there. I've installed all the gst-plugins i think
[05:09] <BockBilbo> it doesnt let me to connect to a xdmcp server
[05:09] <Jug_> okey
[05:10] <apokryphos> mdke: Check the "restricted formats" article on the wiki, on the site.
[05:10] <PacoBCN> dammit, some times it get frozen and doesn't open it...
[05:10] <PacoBCN> like now
[05:10] <apokryphos> eek
[05:10] <JimSinziger> Well, maybe I'll be back later. Goodbye!
[05:10] <PacoBCN> java problem, I guess
[05:10] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: It's been smooth as honey for me on Ubuntu. No problems..
[05:10] <Loiosh> Good luck, Jim. Sorry I couldn't help
[05:10] <apokryphos> do you have the latest stable version?
[05:11] <JimSinziger> Thanky you, Loiosh!
[05:11] <mdke> apokryphos, have done and doesn't help. as i say, i've installed the nonfree codecs required
[05:12] <apokryphos> hmm
[05:12] <PacoBCN> now it says there's already an open aplication...
[05:12] <PacoBCN> dammit
[05:12] <Jug_> it will only downgrade that gnome-session
[05:12] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: Heh. Yeah. For the port listening, you can't have any active torrents.
[05:12] <PacoBCN> Starting Azureus...
[05:12] <PacoBCN> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[05:12] <PacoBCN> Suitable java version found [java = 1.5.0_01] 
[05:12] <PacoBCN> Configuring environment...
[05:12] <PacoBCN> Loading Azureus:
[05:12] <PacoBCN> java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/opt/azureus/Azureus2.jar:/opt/azureus/swt.jar:/opt/azureus/swt-mozilla.jar:/opt/azureus/swt-pi.jar" -Djava.library.path="/opt/azureus" -Dazureus.install.path="/opt/azureus" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
[05:12] <apokryphos> mdke: are other programs (i.e. mplayer/xine) playing media?
[05:12] <PacoBCN> StartSocket: passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process.
[05:13] <brainZzZ> means One Side?
[05:13] <mdke> apokryphos, haven't installed them
[05:13] <mdke> apokryphos, but it plays other files ok
[05:13] <apokryphos> mdke: it might be worth trying that out.
[05:13] <olenuus> hi
[05:13] <mdke> yeah but ubuntu comes with totem
[05:13] <apokryphos> mdke: you can get them both from the repositories
[05:14] <breitbandnudel> some there who could help me with my radeon?
[05:14] <apokryphos> mdke: sure, but the others aren't exactly hard to get in the slightest.
[05:14] <olenuus> i need some help, i use linux first time:)
[05:14] <mdke> apokryphos, yeah i'm aware of that
[05:14] <mdke> apokryphos, but since ubuntu comes with totem, i want to make totem work
[05:14] <apokryphos> mdke: it doesn't mean that totem is better ;-)
[05:14] <apokryphos> mdke: does it completely refuse to play them, or what? Sound output?
[05:14] <olenuus> can anybody help me with refresh rate?
[05:15] <jesus_> apokryphos:  I know how to start it, but i want it in my gnome panel under "applications"
[05:15] <apokryphos> olenuus: what's the problem?
[05:15] <mdke> apokryphos, it says it doesn't have the required codecs
[05:15] <jesus_> oh nm
[05:15] <jesus_> found it
[05:15] <Stoney47> morning yall, anyone here play enemy territory?  I'm havin trouble gettin it to start
[05:15] <apokryphos> jesus_: I don't think you can currently edit the panel; it's a known bug.
[05:15] <jesus_> :|
[05:15] <olenuus> refresh rate is 60:( but i want 85 or 100
[05:16] <apokryphos> mdke: I don't know what to say. I got the suggested codecs on the site and totem works fine for me, though I don't use it.
[05:16] <mdke> no you can't edit the panel atm
[05:16] <olenuus> in windows i ude 100HZ, sorry my bad english
[05:16] <mdke> hmm
[05:16] <PacoBCN> From my console "StartSocket: passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process." How can I close that non-existing process?
[05:16] <mdke> what have i done wrong
[05:16] <apokryphos> olenuus: Have you tried altering the settings from the panel? Does it let you go higher?
[05:16] <apokryphos> olenuus: if not, we'll need to modify your x config file
[05:16] <brainZzZ> why i don't know what to do with myself
[05:17] <apokryphos> mdke: It might be worth double-checking that all the relevant codecs are there. That's pretty much the only thing I can think of.
[05:17] <olenuus> yes reso 1024x768 can use only 60, 800x600 56, 60 and 72
[05:17] <ftwig> anyone got muse-streaming working under Ubuntu?
[05:17] <apokryphos> olenuus: are you using xfree or xorg?
[05:18] <PacoBCN> I'll try the good'al' restart
[05:18] <membreya> olenuus: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[05:19] <mdke> apokryphos, yeah have checked. weird
[05:19] <mdke> i've posted to list
[05:19] <olenuus> uh im verry newbie on linux, i use first time ubuntu
[05:20] <apokryphos> olenuus: what does "cat /etc/issue" in the terminal give?
[05:20] <apokryphos> you don't have any excuse for not knowing whether you have warty or hoary ;-)
[05:20] <membreya> apokryphos: I prefer cat /etc/version
[05:20] <membreya> :)
[05:20] <olenuus> 4.10
[05:21] <AcidWolf> java runtime for ppc :(
[05:21] <olenuus> video card is nvidia ti4800
[05:21] <apokryphos> membreya: cat: /etc/version: No such file or directory
[05:21] <apokryphos> olenuus: that doesn't matter. What does that above command give you?
[05:21] <ubernoob> apokryphos: where do i find limewire? its not in synaptic
[05:21] <apokryphos> olenuus: and, have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[05:22] <apokryphos> ubernoob: Yeah, you have to manually download from the site. Easiest non-repository installation ever.
[05:22] <olenuus> no:-[
[05:22] <olenuus> i download driver
[05:23] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> hey
[05:23] <apokryphos> ubernoob: google for it :)
[05:23] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> when someone is free I would like to ask some questions about semi advanced networking with Ubuntu
[05:23] <membreya> apokryphos: my bad
[05:23] <membreya> it's /proc/version
[05:23] <apokryphos> membreya: doesn't specifically tell you whether you've got hoary or warty there :P
[05:24] <membreya> no...but it tells you the arch :)
[05:24] <apokryphos> olenuus: see this thread from the forum
[05:24] <apokryphos> %tell olenuus ubutweaking
[05:24] <Pyre> olenuus: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[05:25] <olenuus> ok
[05:25] <apokryphos> will walk you through the nvidia-driver installation
[05:25] <LinuxJones> IvIaSTa`SysOp, just ask someone might be able to help
[05:25] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> thanks LinuxJones
[05:25] <LinuxJones> IvIaSTa`SysOp, ;)
[05:25] <ubernoob> apokryphos: you have to buy the proversion of limewire! :(
[05:26] <fgx> brainZzZ, i think you are a bot
[05:26] <brainZzZ> i think you are all of the above
[05:26] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:26] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> Well, I have a box I am going to install ubuntu on, it has two nic's, our internet connection goes straight into our smoothwall server which serves internet and dhcp
[05:26] <apokryphos> ubernoob: I think I might, soon enough. Though, there's several places to get it for free. Bad! Support the network ;-)
[05:26] <BockBilbo> membreya, this doesnt work
[05:26] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:26] <fgx> please kick out the bot
[05:26] <apokryphos> fgx: which one?
[05:26] <fgx> brainZzZ,
[05:26] <membreya> BockBilbo: WHAT doesn't work?
[05:26] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> the ubuntu box i plan to keep in my room with my existing windows box
[05:27] <fgx> apokryphos, brainzzz
[05:27] <brainZzZ> ooh fgx me ko line maray li hai :D
[05:27] <apokryphos> ergh
[05:27] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> due to only having one wired rj45 port in my room, I am wondering how I could configure ubuntu to use that one port, then with its other nic connect to a second router
[05:27] <BockBilbo> membreya, vnc
[05:27] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> where my windows client can also connect
[05:27] <membreya> hey daniels :)
[05:28] <membreya> BockBilbo: I tested the vnc on my local PC
[05:28] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> and the ubuntu box could route inet to the windows box
[05:28] <BockBilbo> it works?
[05:28] <daniels> hi; not really paying attention to irc at the moment
[05:28] <membreya> make sure that you have a port setup if there's a router/firewall
[05:28] <Loiosh> You mean run NAT, Ivi?
[05:28] <saphari> can you register on this channel?
[05:28] <BockBilbo> membreya, there isnt
[05:28] <BockBilbo> how do i do to run the server?
[05:28] <Jug_> _jon_: it downgraded only gnome-session and left all other packages alone
[05:28] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> Loiosh - if you are knowledgable mind pming because there are alot of variables in what im trying to do
[05:29] <membreya> it runs by default BockBilbo ..but to check you need to go to System > Preferences > Remote Desktop
[05:29] <Loiosh> I'm knowledgable about networking, but not Ubuntu. Hee
[05:29] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> lol
[05:29] <Loiosh> =))
[05:29] <IvIaSTa`SysOp> u prob can help me in theory, ill pm
[05:29] <Loiosh> ;k
[05:30] <saphari> ok a no then :)
[05:32] <mdke> does anyone know where to find a comprehensive list of what the various plugins in evolution do?
[05:32] <Tarkus> im goinmg to build a custom pc, with (3.8GHz, 40GB HDD, 512MB DDR).. can someone give me an estimate on how much itll cost??
[05:32] <welly> $2
[05:33] <Loiosh> Intel, Tarkus?
[05:33] <Loiosh> What graphics card?
[05:33] <Tarkus> yes
[05:33] <welly> intel.. tsk tsk
[05:33] <Tarkus> radeon 9800
[05:33] <kent> A friend is having some issues with aplay on his Hoary computer. He seems to have an integrated soundcard btw. When i use aplay with strace, it seems to stop at open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", O_RDWR     :(
[05:33] <Loiosh> 9800?
[05:33] <Loiosh> Interesting
[05:33] <welly> tarkus, why not amd?
[05:33] <Loiosh> With an intel I'd suspect (you might want a bigger HD too) it'd be in total a little over $1700, not including monitor.
[05:34] <welly> and you'd get an 80 gig for about 5 bucks more than a 40 gig and you'd probably get a 120 gig for another 10 bucks
[05:34] <Loiosh> What Welly said. =)
[05:35] <welly> :)
[05:35] <ficusplanet> I was wondering if anyone knew why dbus-0.23.1 hasn't gone into hoary.  Is it not allowed by the feature freeze or something?  I only ask because beagle requires it and it will be a lot harder to get beagle going in hoary without it.
[05:35] <welly> and apparently intel's emt64 sucks in comparison with amd64
[05:35] <Loiosh> Yes, but if he's set on using Intel, no need to debate about it, hehe. I have a friend like that =)
[05:35] <welly> ok :)
[05:36] <welly> *hugs his duron 750 in pity*
[05:36] <membreya> rofl :P
[05:36] <Loiosh> I'd suggest going with the 120gb hd.
[05:36] <delltony> any word on array 6 yet?
[05:36] <membreya> need to upgrade the harddrive though..only got a 120gb SATA..going to get another 200gb SATA
[05:36] <welly> i heard "in the next few days" last night
[05:36] <delltony> scheduled for today i thought
[05:36] <welly> i need to upgrade everything
[05:36] <Loiosh> Tarkus: You might also want to look at a different video card.
[05:37] <ficusplanet> array cds always come out on wednesday.
[05:37] <Tarkus> what about a pc with these specs (at least 2GHz, 80GB HDD, 512MB DDR)??
[05:37] <Tarkus> Loiosh, that was my brother speaking before
[05:37] <olenuu1> i install, but this not help(refresh rate 60hz):(
[05:37] <delltony> ok thanks
[05:37] <welly> tarkus, without a screen, about 750 i reckon
[05:37] <Tarkus> i already have a gfx card
[05:37] <kent> what should i do with a Hoary box that has two soundcards? one integrated and a sb live? It seems to confuse alsa (aplay) :(
[05:37] <Loiosh> Oh
[05:37] <Loiosh> That'll drop the price
[05:37] <Loiosh> If you don't mind an AMD
[05:37] <ficusplanet> kent: You can disable the onboard sound.
[05:38] <Loiosh> And are looking for those spect, easily under $1,000
[05:38] <PacoBCN> anyone here knows a bit about azureus?
[05:38] <mdke> does anyone know where to find a comprehensive list of what the various plugins in evolution do?
[05:38] <PacoBCN> I get a strange error
[05:38] <membreya> what error PacoBCN ?
[05:39] <Loiosh> Oh, no videocard, $700, Tarkus =)
[05:39] <PacoBCN> "Error: Operation not permitted, setLength fails (allocateFiles new: /blah blah)"
[05:39] <LinuxJones> ficusplanet, apt-get update d-bus .23 has been added to Hoary in the last 24 hours
[05:39] <PacoBCN> this  is after I download the .torrent
[05:39] <Tarkus> loiosh, ok thanks for the estimate :D
[05:39] <ficusplanet> LinuxJones: .23.1?
[05:39] <PacoBCN> in the status
[05:39] <Loiosh> You're welcome =)
[05:39] <kent> ficusplanet, how do i do that? in the bios?
[05:39] <ficusplanet> kent: Yes.
[05:39] <membreya> PacoBCN: are you able to write to the partition you're attempting to write to ? I get the error .. I just have to restart azureus a few times
[05:39] <LinuxJones> ficusplanet, yeah 0.23-1ubuntu-5
[05:40] <kent> ficusplanet, ok. I thought perhaps i could stop ubuntu from loading the ac97 module?
[05:40] <ficusplanet> LinuxJones: That's different.
[05:40] <LinuxJones> ficusplanet, maybe you just need to update the package lists
[05:40] <ficusplanet> kent: Yes, you can add snd-ac97 to your blacklist
[05:40] <joaoc> anyone know waht the command  log_begin_msg do?
[05:40] <Loiosh> That's kinda the non-optimal solution, Kent. Running two sound cards when you don't need one is.. bad juju =)
[05:40] <PacoBCN> membreya, sure, it's the same partition where amule files are written
[05:41] <ficusplanet> LinuxJones: No, 0.23-1ubuntu5 != 0.23.1
[05:41] <joaoc> I'm using debian... with some ubuntu packages
[05:42] <LinuxJones> ficusplanet, umm the 0.23-1 is the only part that you should be concerned with the ubuntu5 is just the 5th Ubuntu release of that version of the packge.
[05:42] <PacoBCN> weird, looks that if I save it in the Desktop I don't have the error
[05:43] <PacoBCN> could it be a problem in the fstab?
[05:43] <PacoBCN> therefor > fstab question: I use: vfat users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0, is this the less restricted configuration?
[05:44] <joaoc> anyone can please help me... I'm trying to use xorg from ubuntu on my debian.... I'm getting problem with the log_begin_msg command.
[05:44] <PacoBCN> I want everything and everybody to be able to write on this disk
[05:44] <ficusplanet> LinuxJones: It still is not 0.23.1.  I just upgraded and beagle still asks for 0.23.1
[05:44] <joaoc> This command really exists?
[05:44] <PacoBCN> Loiosh, lol :)
[05:45] <AcidWolf> can anyone get something for me
[05:45] <LinuxJones> ficusplanet, are you compiling beagle ?
[05:45] <AcidWolf> i am unable to get a java package from IBM's website
[05:45] <ficusplanet> Yes.
[05:45] <AcidWolf> to run java on ppc
[05:45] <AcidWolf> ubuntu ppc java
[05:46] <AcidWolf> trying something new for all the newbies to install in order to have java support under ubuntu pcc
[05:46] <AcidWolf> ppc*
[05:46] <AcidWolf> however i need java to download it
[05:46] <apokryphos> ubernoob: How's it going?
[05:46] <AcidWolf> how dumb is that
[05:46] <AcidWolf> cause of the bloody java applet used by ibm as a download manager
[05:47] <AcidWolf> :(
[05:47] <Xappe> hah, that's just stupid
[05:47] <LinuxJones> ficusplanet, Maybe you should submit a bug to bugzilla. AFAIK it should work
[05:48] <Xappe> wonder who's brain did the thinking at IBM the day the site were created...java for downloading java...
[05:48] <Loiosh> Heh
[05:49] <Loiosh> Excellent idea
[05:49] <Xappe> *was
[05:50] <AcidWolf> funny
[05:50] <AcidWolf> you need to have java to download java
[05:50] <AcidWolf> :(
[05:52] <psf> need help on auto-generation scripts for ubuntu live-cd... where can i find them?
[05:54] <Tarkus> whats the difference between intel p4 and AMD athlon 64??
[05:55] <Xappe> 32 bits
[05:56] <membreya> Tarkus: price and lots of performance (on amd's side)
[05:57] <cybane> I am just wondering when the software is going to catch up to the hardware
[05:57] <cybane> 64bit processorers are useless unless the OS and software can make use of them
[05:57] <membreya> cybane: that
[05:57] <Tarkus> what is bus speed??
[05:57] <membreya> s why I run the 64bit kernel :)
[05:58] <membreya> for all the incompatibility headaches :P
[05:58] <cybane> lol
[05:58] <Tarkus> is bus speed important?
[05:58] <cybane> yes
[05:58] <cybane> bus speed is where the majority of speed bottlenecks occur
[05:58] <Tarkus> bottlenecks??
[05:58] <Tarkus> lol
[05:58] <membreya> main bottleneck these days is harddrive speed
[05:59] <Tarkus> ooh, so 800MHz sucks right?
[05:59] <cybane> with system RAM becoming soo cheap hard drives will soon not be needed as much
[05:59] <cybane> 64bit processors can recoginize 1TB of RAM while 32bit can only see 4GB
[05:59] <cybane> for a processor yes
[06:00] <Xappe> bottlenecks are only useful when pouring beer, or playing slide guitar blues
[06:00] <membreya> lol Xappe
[06:00] <cybane> I just wish that competitve games would be developed for Linux OS
[06:01] <cybane> makes me think about buying all 3 consoles and say screw PC gaming
[06:01] <hawke_> cybane: UT2004 is not competitive?
[06:01] <cybane> no I mean games that would compete for market share
[06:01] <hawke_> UT2004 does not compete for market share?
[06:02] <meuserj|work> cybane, doom3 not competitive?
[06:02] <hawke_> I believe the UT series are pretty damn popular...
[06:02] <hawke_> doom3 as well
[06:02] <cybane> Do those game run nativly under the linux OS?
[06:02] <meuserj|work> cybane, RTCW not competitive?
[06:02] <hawke_> cybane: Yes
[06:02] <goldfish> cybane: gnome tetris not competitive?
[06:02] <cybane> since when did they port doom3 to Linux?
[06:02] <goldfish> while ago
[06:02] <hawke_> cybane: Quite awhile, I believe
[06:03] <meuserj|work> cybane, pretty much all ID games run on Linux
[06:03] <drunken-wallaby> hi everyone...
[06:03] <cybane> that I did not know
[06:03] <nytroe> quake3 @ ubuntu <3
[06:03] <hawke_> cybane: Unreal, UT, and UT2004 also run on Linux.
[06:03] <meuserj|work> cybane, and games that use ID's rendering engines.. like America's Army
[06:04] <cybane> I tried to get AA on my PC however, when I tried to run armyops never worked properly
[06:04] <cybane> I have a feeling my video card is not setup properly
[06:04] <drunken-wallaby> anyone who may help me with some cups debug output? i'm a bit helpless :(
[06:05] <Dr_willis>  hmm..
[06:05] <Dr_willis> Normally CUPS is very very good :P
[06:05] <Dr_willis> whats the issue?
[06:06] <drunken-wallaby> hi dr_willis.
[06:07] <drunken-wallaby> the thing is, that i want to share my printer over lan. so i installed my brother hl 1430 as network printer via localhost:631
[06:07] <drunken-wallaby> i can send jobs to the printer from any network computer, the jobs are processed as well, but the printer never starts printing
[06:07] <drunken-wallaby> so i set debug-level to debug2 and always get a kind of loop.
[06:08] <drunken-wallaby> 1) AcceptClient: 13 from localhost:631
[06:08] <drunken-wallaby> 2) CloseClient: 12
[06:08] <PacoBCN> one more question
[06:09] <PacoBCN> anyone ever tried to configure flumotion?
[06:09] <drunken-wallaby> ReadClient: 13 POST / HTTP/1.1
[06:09] <drunken-wallaby> and finally: ProcessIPPRequest: 13 status_code=1
[06:09] <drunken-wallaby> and i'm stuck with this processIPPRequest, i guess the status 1 error is the reason why the printer doesn't actually print...
[06:10] <cybane> Does anyone know how I can tell what driver Ubuntu is using for my graphics card?
[06:10] <woozy> um, small question: how do I get the applications, places and computer menu back (in hoary)?
[06:10] <woozy> I accidentally deleted the top panel :-/
[06:11] <Xappe> right click --> add to panel --> menu bar
[06:11] <Xappe> i think
[06:11] <Dr_willis> cybane,  what card ya got? anyway - you could check the X config file.
[06:11] <cybane> IU have a GeForce FX 5600 128MB
[06:12] <woozy> that's the one, thanks
[06:12] <Dr_willis> for an nvidia card - you most likely want to install the official nvidia stuff.  which isent included by defult.
[06:14] <CarlK> I think my laptop will boot from a SD card (512mb) - what are my chances of installing hoary to it?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Eww.
[06:15] <hawke_> CarlK:  1 in 73.5
[06:15] <Dr_willis> not much of a chance. may want to check ouit FeatherLinux
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Dang it - i need to reconfigure the X display
[06:15] <CarlK> heh
[06:16] <Dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure   "SOMTHING with Xin the name" goes ehre.. :P how do ya remeber what the exact name to tell it anyway?
[06:16] <restrex> what it's bleeding edge ? :S
[06:16] <Dr_willis> its not likeing my nvidia 6800
[06:16] <CarlK> I am more interested in ubuntu than linux on SD
[06:16] <cybane> How do I make ubuntu start up with out going to X?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> domnt run the gdm service
[06:17] <cybane> When I tried to install the NVidia Drvivers told me I needed to install without having X started
[06:17] <Dr_willis> kill the gdm service then.
[06:18] <apokryphos> cybane: are you following the guide? There's a decent one on the forums. Didn't have to kill x first this time (did under other distros).
[06:18] <CarlK> cybane - if you are in X, telinit 3
[06:18] <apokryphos> %tell cybane ubutweaking
[06:18] <Pyre> cybane: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[06:18] <CarlK> ah, never mind me then...
[06:20] <cybane> I never knew about this guide
[06:24] <cybane>  1. sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.
[06:24] <cybane> or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.
[06:24] <cybane> Which one should I use I just got the Ubuntu 4.10
[06:24] <cybane> Not very familiar with Linux yet
[06:24] <apokryphos> cybane: well, check it. What type of system are you running? Athlon?
[06:24] <cybane> Yep
[06:24] <apokryphos> k7 then
[06:25] <cybane> so what did that do?
[06:25] <apokryphos> That got you a specific kernel for your system
[06:26] <cybane> I am going to be that is a good thing heh
[06:26] <apokryphos> definitely. It's just the one for your CPU.
[06:27] <apokryphos> In the same way you want the right size shoes for your feet :P
[06:27] <cybane> brb
[06:27] <cybane> need to reboot says the guide
[06:27] <apokryphos> yup, to run with the new kernel
[06:27] <Loiosh> It'll in..
[06:27] <Loiosh> Oh well
[06:28] <delltony> anyone here happen to run vmware?
[06:28] <delltony> if so how you make winbows in it access ubuntu's filesystem?
[06:31] <apokryphos> cybane: eek, I just remembered -- didn't ask if it was an *AMD* Athlon. Is it?
[06:31] <cybane> it is an AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.333GHz
[06:31] <apokryphos> Cool. You've got the right one then.
[06:32] <apokryphos> cybane: guide for nvidia drivers is there too
[06:33] <cybane> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[06:33] <cybane> Does that command have to be run from the right directory?
[06:33] <apokryphos> cybane: that's not the command; check back :P
[06:33] <Loiosh> sudo first
[06:33] <Eomys> hi
[06:33] <Loiosh> That logs you in as 'root'
[06:33] <cybane> I input sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and got that erroer
[06:34] <apokryphos> oh
[06:34] <apokryphos> and nvidia-glx is installed?
[06:35] <cybane> I get an error when i try to install nvidia-glx
[06:35] <cybane> I just noticed the error too
[06:35] <apokryphos> what is it?
[06:36] <cybane> (Reading database ... 67375 files and directories currently installed.)
[06:36] <cybane> Unpacking nvidia-glx (from .../nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu9_i386.deb) ...
[06:36] <cybane> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver'
[06:36] <cybane> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu9_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:36] <cybane>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[06:36] <cybane> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:36] <cybane>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu9_i386.deb
[06:36] <cybane> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:37] <cybane> sorry
[06:37] <apokryphos> cybane: use a pastebin in the future ;-)
[06:37] <cybane> k
[06:38] <cybane> So what should I do?
[06:38] <apokryphos> Not quite sure. Problems with libGL (I have had some). But, I didn't have a problem installing that nvidia package
[06:38] <apokryphos> are you using xorg?
[06:39] <cybane> Nope XFree86
[06:39] <cybane> I am using the basic install of Ubuntu atm
[06:39] <apokryphos> Pretty sure I was using xfree on my installation of nvidia, too.
[06:39] <apokryphos> hoary?
[06:39] <cybane> nope 4.10
[06:40] <cybane> warty I think is the name it was called
[06:40] <apokryphos> yeah
[06:40] <daniels> you can't install nvidia-glx and fglrx-driver at the same time
[06:40] <apokryphos> It's worth upgrading ot hoary
[06:40] <daniels> you need to remove fglrx-driver first
[06:40] <Loiosh> apt-get-rid-of =)~
[06:40] <daniels> in hoary, the only thing that's changed is the name -- xorg-driver-fglrx instead of fglrx-driver
[06:40] <cr4z3d> where's the file that loads modules on boot so i can edit it?
[06:41] <cybane> I guess I had the ATI drivers installed by mistake
[06:41] <hawke_> cr4z3d: /etc/modules
[06:41] <apokryphos> heh
[06:42] <apokryphos> I gotta go. Good luck. =)
[06:42] <cr4z3d> thanks
[06:42] <cr4z3d> is there a "rescue" type funtion on the ubuntu cd so i can edit that file and remove the floppy part
[06:42] <cr4z3d> i looked yesterday but was unsucessful in finding one
[06:43] <Loiosh> This is a lil crazy, but you could use the Live CD
[06:43] <cr4z3d> would that check if i had a floppy though?
[06:43] <Loiosh> nofloppy
[06:43] <cr4z3d> cuz i don't have a floppy drive.. and it hangs when the modprobe checks it
[06:44] <cr4z3d> which is why i'm trying to remove that part from teh modules
[06:44] <hawke_> cr4z3d: "nofloppy" kernel boot parameter would be the way to go, that's not a loadable module as far as I know
[06:44] <cr4z3d> where would i change the nofloppy
[06:44] <cr4z3d> in the kernel
[06:44] <hawke_> whoops, yes it is...
[06:44] <cr4z3d> yeah floppy.ko
[06:44] <cr4z3d> or something
[06:44] <hawke_> yes
[06:45] <hawke_> thought it was statically compiled.
[06:45] <hawke_> add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist possibly
[06:45] <cr4z3d> add what
[06:45] <hawke_> floppy
[06:45] <cr4z3d> oh no flooppy?
[06:45] <hawke_> no
[06:45] <hawke_> floppy
[06:45] <cr4z3d> just floppy?
[06:45] <cr4z3d> i don't have one though
[06:46] <hawke_> blacklist is a list of modules not to load.
[06:46] <cr4z3d> ooh
[06:46] <cr4z3d> so go with the live cd to edit the files?
[06:46] <hawke_> unless of course it's hard coded to try to load that one.
[06:46] <hawke_> How long have you tried waiting for it?
[06:46] <cr4z3d> hmm 5 minutes
[06:46] <hawke_> k..
[06:46] <Loiosh> You could do a boot with the nofloppy option, I believe.
[06:47] <cr4z3d> then my cpu fan starts to like get loud.. and it gets all hot
[06:47] <cr4z3d> so i turn it off
[06:47] <cr4z3d> how would i change to tdo that?
[06:47] <hawke_> at the grub prompt
[06:47] <Loiosh> Ubuntu uses Grub, right?
[06:47] <hawke_> hit esc to get a menu
[06:47] <hawke_> Loiosh: yes
[06:47] <cr4z3d> ok
[06:48] <hawke_> then e to edit the command line
[06:48] <cr4z3d> you have to hit esc pretty fast right? cuz i barely see that thing
[06:48] <hawke_> then select the one that says " kernel blah blah blah" and hit e
[06:48] <Loiosh> Yes, if the boot wait is too low
[06:48] <hawke_> cr4z3d: it gives you 5sec
[06:48] <Loiosh> Some people change theirs to 0 =)
[06:48] <hawke_> and then add nofloppy to the end of that line
[06:48] <Loiosh> Just start hitting esc, heh
[06:48] <hawke_> Loiosh: well, by default it's 5. :-)
[06:48] <Loiosh> Heheh
[06:50] <olenuu1> i want modify my monitor setting in /etc/X11/XF86Config, but i cant(premission denied):(
[06:50] <cr4z3d> ok i added teh nofloppy
[06:50] <cr4z3d> lets see if that works
[06:50] <Loiosh> Hope so, Cr =)
[06:50] <cr4z3d> damn.. didn't do anything
[06:51] <cr4z3d> i still get modprobe: FATAL:Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): no such device
[06:51] <hawke_> cr4z3d: and it locks there?
[06:51] <cr4z3d> yeah
[06:51] <hawke_> cr4z3d: is that the last line you get?
[06:51] <cr4z3d> yep
[06:51] <hawke_> cr4z3d: try booting in 'recovery mode'...
[06:52] <cr4z3d> yeah i saw that i was thinking the same thing
[06:52] <cr4z3d> well i didn't get stopped yet
[06:53] <cr4z3d> fuck.. same problem
[06:53] <olenuu1> how i can modify my monitor refresh rate? need help
[06:53] <hawke_> seems strange that it would realize that there was no floppy and then crash.
[06:54] <Loiosh> Well, the problem is the floppy module is missing
[06:54] <hawke_> Loiosh: No it's not
[06:54] <cr4z3d> yeah
[06:54] <hawke_> "no such device" means that it didn't find a floppy
[06:54] <cr4z3d> why would it crash over a missing floppy
[06:54] <Loiosh> Oh, yeah, sorry =)
[06:55] <hawke_> Loiosh: It gives "FATAL: Module floppy not found." if the module file is missing
[06:55] <Loiosh> Yeah, I read the error again, hehe
[06:55] <cr4z3d> this is what i put for the kernel boot options: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda1 <ert noapic nolapic quiet splash
[06:55] <cr4z3d> oh wait it didn't save teh no floppy part
[06:55] <hawke_> cr4z3d: No, it doesn't save it
[06:56] <cr4z3d> why not
[06:56] <hawke_> you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to actually change it permanently, but since it didn't work that won't help.
[06:56] <cr4z3d> oh ok
[06:56] <cr4z3d> makes sense so you don't screw yourself if you change it and forget what it was before
[06:57] <cybane> Could my problems with Amaerica's Army be due me not having the proper video drivers?
[06:57] <goldfish> yes
[06:57] <cr4z3d> hmm.. so should i try the live cd to edit /etc/module and remove the floppy part?
[06:58] <hawke_> cr4z3d: If it's in /etc/modules
[06:58] <hawke_> cr4z3d: but it probably isn't.
[06:58] <cr4z3d> oh
[06:58] <olenuu1> how i can modify monitor settings, i can use only 60 hz on 1024x768?
[06:59] <hawke_> cr4z3d: It seems odd that the livecd doesn't crash when loading the floppy module
[06:59] <cr4z3d> i don't know if it does
[06:59] <cr4z3d> never tried it
[07:00] <hawke_> cr4z3d: ...but try commenting out the "aliases block-major-2 floppy" in /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386 and /etc/modprobe.d/arch-aliases
[07:00] <cr4z3d> hmm ok
[07:00] <cr4z3d> lemme write that down
[07:01] <nT> hi, i am not able to run apps from a remote computer through ssh, is there any problem documented with ubuntu with this?
[07:02] <mastertet> can someone tell me the command for creating debian package from source?
[07:03] <nT> mastertet, if you know spanish, http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/view/2021
[07:05] <crazydeb8r> I need some help configuring either mozplugger or mplayerplug-in for Firefox...anyone have success setting these up?
[07:06] <zazeem> hi
[07:06] <zazeem> can i get help
[07:06] <crazydeb8r> zazeem, don't ask to ask, just ask.
[07:07] <BiggyRat> greets , I was wondering if anyone could help me get the startup.wav working in Hoary for me..
[07:07] <zazeem> whats cmd to egit cfg
[07:07] <zazeem> xff86 cfg
[07:07] <zazeem> xf86*
[07:07] <zazeem> sudo gedit/etc/x11/...?
[07:07] <crazydeb8r> zazeem: what do you need to edit?
[07:07] <zazeem> need to delete high resolutions
[07:07] <zazeem> done it before just forgot cmd
[07:08] <david> zazeem: yeah, 'sudo vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' probably
[07:08] <zazeem> vim?
[07:08] <david> hit tab a couple of times for tab completion in bash
[07:08] <zazeem> cant i gedt?
[07:08] <david> I guess so
[07:08] <zazeem> thnx
[07:09] <crazydeb8r> hey david: do you know how to configure Mozplugger or mplayerplug-in?
[07:09] <david> no, never heard of them, sorry
[07:09] <crazydeb8r> ok
[07:10] <zazeem> isnt there a way to add video ram into the sudo vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 cfg??
[07:11] <david> zazeem: I'm not sure what you're trying to do.  There are many things you have to consider when setting up a video card
[07:11] <david> what's the problem?
[07:11] <cybane> Anyone know a good place for Themes?
[07:11] <zazeem> i get really low fps in enemy territory
[07:11] <cybane> I am still using the default theme and I think I need a change
[07:11] <zazeem> in windows i get 125 in ubuntu i get 25
[07:12] <david> zazeem: it's probably related to OnelGL drivers missing
[07:12] <david> *OpenGL
[07:12] <zazeem> ?
[07:12] <zazeem> how do i get?
[07:12] <zazeem> synaptic?
[07:12] <david> what video card do you have?
[07:12] <zazeem> geforce fx5200
[07:12] <zazeem> 128mb ddr
[07:13] <david> nvidia right?
[07:13] <zazeem> ya
[07:13] <david> so, on the nvidia site, there will be linux drivers to download which will give you better performance
[07:13] <zazeem> ya but
[07:13] <zazeem> i cant install em
[07:13] <david> ...y not?
[07:13] <zazeem> tried and tried previous install
[07:13] <zazeem> cause xserver wouldnt stop
[07:13] <zazeem> need it off apparently
[07:14] <david> you can stop your Xserver and do the install from a virtual terminal
[07:14] <zazeem> huh?
[07:14] <david> (AKA console)
[07:14] <zazeem> ?
[07:14] <zazeem> black screen teminal?
[07:15] <david> 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' should kill X and allow you to use the "black screen terminal" yes :)
[07:15] <zazeem> then how do i start x?
[07:15] <zazeem> startx?
[07:15] <david> you could, or: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' to get the login screen back and run a GDM managed session
[07:16] <zazeem> gdm managed?
[07:16] <david> yeah, just go with it for now, I gotta run
[07:16] <zazeem> k tn
[07:16] <zazeem> thnx
[07:16] <Loiosh> It's the normal bootup screen, za =)
[07:16] <david> nps
[07:17] <b_> does anyone here know of a reason that the startup.wav may not work in Hoary?
[07:17] <drasko> Anyone used bluefish editor? Why clicking on "View  in Browser" dont work - nothing happends?
[07:18] <looksaus> is there a sane way to manually update my Gnome menu so that my changes are preserved through an upgrade process where appropriate?
[07:19] <cybane> To get Doom3 to play on Linux you still need to buy the windows version correct?
[07:19] <stuNNed> yes
[07:19] <b_> hmmm I must be one ignore or lagging
[07:19] <stuNNed> cybane: even install it one windows and copy files over
[07:20] <stuNNed> one/on
[07:20] <b_> on
[07:20] <crazydeb8r> hey, anybody know how to get Totem to work with mozplugger?
[07:20] <LJx> Ok I upgraded to latest Hoary this morning and now my computer locks up @ gdm login screen. Anybody else have same problem ?
[07:21] <cybane> I do not dual boot with windows
[07:21] <b_> hey annybody know why the startup.wav is not working in Hoary, or is it just my puter?
[07:21] <stuNNed> cybane: dual boot here on laptop, copied files over from that
[07:21] <stuNNed> cybane: via ssh
[07:22] <Agrajag> stuNNed: yeah, or you COULD just copy the files from the CDs... like you're supposed to.
[07:23] <stuNNed> Agrajag: oh, had no idea, sorry.
[07:23] <zazeem> hi
[07:23] <zazeem> i just did that tried to install nvidia drivers, and said couldnt find a kernel with cc in path
[07:23] <stuNNed> cybane: see http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
[07:23] <zazeem> wtf does that mean
[07:23] <b_>  hey anybody know why the startup.wav is not working in Hoary, or is it just my puter?
[07:24] <Loiosh> B: Been hearing that all morning
[07:24] <bzbb> where can I get java for hoary?
[07:24] <b_> yea from me cuz nobody will answer this
[07:24] <Loiosh> membreya was looking for any solutions.
[07:24] <darksatanic> bzbb: Install java-package, and run make-jpkg
[07:25] <Tomcat_> darksatanic: That's new in hoary, right?
[07:25] <bzbb> I wonder why it wants fakeroot
[07:25] <darksatanic> Tomcat_: Umm... It may be.
[07:26] <darksatanic> bzbb: It creates a package, which has root-owned files in it, so if you try to create the package as a user, the files can't be created with the right uids.
[07:26] <bzbb> ah
[07:26] <spiral> re
[07:26] <Tomcat_> darksatanic: No, warty has it already. :)
[07:28] <b_> If it is possible, could anyone, ANYONE, answer me one simple question:  Has anyone here noticed that startup.wav isn't working in Hoary, or is it just my computer...without an answer I leave Ubuntu and back to a friendlier distro, THANKS
[07:29] <hawke_> b_: Good luck finding a friendlier distro.
[07:29] <hawke_> b_: And I have not noticed that startup.wav isn't working.
[07:29] <hawke_> b_: But I don't really pay attention to that.
[07:29] <bzbb> b_, if you want friendlier, run warty
[07:30] <bzbb> darksatanic, what is the path I feed make-jpkg?
[07:30] <b_> Hawk thanks for answering, that is all I wanted...I asked nicely about 20 times and was mysteriously ignored
[07:31] <Tomcat_> b_: Happens.
[07:31] <zazeem> how do i enable the nvidia cfg??
[07:31] <crazydeb8r> b_: Not everyone here knows what they are doing you know...
[07:31] <hawke_> b_: Sorry, I would have answered earlier but I did not catch it.
[07:31] <[Zenith] > Can anyone help me to get my ESS ISA soundcard working?
[07:31] <zazeem> how do i enable the nvidia cfg??
[07:31] <b_> Thank you for the answers
[07:31] <crazydeb8r> [Zenith] : ESS Maestro?
[07:32] <[Zenith] > Yes
[07:32] <[Zenith] > Think so..
[07:32] <b_> sorry I got frustrated...I asked about 20 times this morning
[07:32] <crazydeb8r> [Zenith] : That's what I have on my puter...what's the issue?
[07:32] <zazeem> how do i enable the nvidia cfg??
[07:32] <hawke_> b_: If I had to guess it would be that it's due to the player trying to use esound before esound has been started.
[07:32] <hawke_> b_: But I know little about the gnome startup process.
[07:32] <[Zenith] > I dont think the card is even being recogniced
[07:33] <b_> same with me, I know little about gnome and trying to learn being versed in kde
[07:33] <crazydeb8r> [Zenith] : open a console and type lsmod and look for "snd" in the left column, then look across to the right of it and tell me if anything is listed...
[07:34] <b_> zazeem: "nvidia-config enable"
[07:34] <bzbb> hmk
[07:34] <[Zenith] > I thougth my card was ESS, but when I opend my computer, it'r printet Creative at the chips =)
[07:34] <bzbb> it seems I already have java install, its just that firefox doen't know
[07:34] <b_> zazeem: "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[07:35] <b_> oops
[07:36] <crazydeb8r> [Zenith] : So perhaps it's soundblaster based?
[07:36] <[Zenith] > crazydeb8r, "snd" is not listed in the left column... And my soundcard is probably a Creative ISA card
[07:36] <[Zenith] > crazydeb8r, perhaps...
[07:36] <crazydeb8r> [Zenith] : hmm, okay. If it was a ESS card it would have to load a few modules that you'd see.
[07:37] <[Zenith] > crazydeb8r, Ok.. Do you know how to get the Creative card working?
[07:37] <crazydeb8r> [Zenith] : Not off hand, but let me look really quick and see what I can do
[07:38] <[Zenith] > crazydeb8r, Sounds good =) Take your time.. Thanx so far for your help
[07:38] <crazydeb8r> [Zenith] : Go to computer, system configuration, and then device manager
[07:39] <crazydeb8r> [Zenith] : is there a soundcard listed?
[07:40] <[Zenith] > crazydeb8r, I dont think so.. Nothing there with the name creative or sound =)
[07:40] <crazydeb8r> hm
[07:41] <crazydeb8r> I'm not really sure.
[07:42] <crazydeb8r> check the forums and the wiki I guess
[07:42] <crazydeb8r> Unfortunately I'm not that great at this yet ;-)
[07:43] <[Zenith] > Ok.. Thanx anyway.. I'll do some googling =)
[07:43] <crazydeb8r> :-) alright. Good Luck
[07:44] <[Zenith] > I'll need it =)
[07:45] <Vilijo> how do I know if: The real-time clock function must be compiled into your Linux kernel.
[07:45] <Vilijo> I have done that, or how to check/do it?
[07:45] <zzyber> how do i start a program as a service in ubuntu? The program is a streaming server and its located in my path (usr/bin)
[07:48] <Echylo> how do you make xchat auto load a script?
[07:51] <Echylo> ??
[07:51] <Vilijo> Hey how do I check this real-time clock thing? he real-time clock function must be compiled into your Linux kernel
[07:51] <brk3> hi, im just having this small problem. sometimes may sound device seems to get blocked and i have to reboot before i can get sound on xine or listen to music etc. Sometimes its like this on boot and i have to reboot to make it work.. anyone know what might be using the device and how i could unblock it without having to reboot?
[07:51] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm trying to save a file via sftp (mounted through Nautilus) in Gedit but its only coming up as readonly, any ideas?
[07:52] <brk3> Kirsch: change permissions?
[07:53] <mjr> Kirsch, add gnome-vfs write support to gedit. That's about it for suggestions.
[07:53] <brk3> anyone know how i can find out whats blocking my sound device..?
[07:55] <Kirsch> mjr: ?
[07:55] <Echylo> how do you make xchat auto load a script? a perl one
[07:55] <Kirsch> brk3: i know i have perms
[07:56] <brk3> Kirsch: ok, sorry
[07:56] <Kirsch> brk3: its ok, only trying to help :-)
[07:56] <Kirsch> mjr: what do u mean?
[07:57] <Jug_> does ubuntu have xmms?
[07:57] <crazydeb8r> Jug_, you can get it
[07:57] <hawke_> Jug_: Yes
[07:57] <hawke_> Jug_: Though IMO beep-media-player is better.
[07:57] <crazydeb8r> Jug_: Jus topen synaptic, search for XMMS and there you go
[07:58] <hawke_> Echylo: Put it in your .xchat
[07:58] <Jug_> bmp is pure crap :)
[07:58] <Echylo> owke
[07:58] <Echylo> thanks mate
[07:58] <Echylo> you help me too much ;)
[07:58] <hawke_> Jug_: A year or so ago, I'd have agreed
[07:58] <hawke_> Echylo: .xchat2 rather
[07:58] <Echylo> yeh I know :)
[07:58] <Jug_> well I searched xmms with apt-cache and it only showed some plugins
[07:58] <Jug_> well xmms2 rox
[07:58] <crazydeb8r> hey, stupid question...What is the marillat repository?
[07:59] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Google for "marillat"
[07:59] <crazydeb8r> and should I be using those packages?
[07:59] <Jug_> and should I be able to play mp3s with totem?
[07:59] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: It should be the first result
[07:59] <Echylo> there are no stupid questions
[07:59] <brk3> Jug_: use amarok!
[07:59] <hawke_> Jug_: You might have to install gstreamer-mad
[07:59] <crazydeb8r> hawke, thanks.
[07:59] <Jug_> well I tried installin gstreamer-mad but it's broken :)
[07:59] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: And yes, the marillat stuff seems to be fine in Ubuntu
[07:59] <Jug_> it depens on some libs that couldnt be installed
[08:00] <brk3> Jug_: did you try compiling it from source?
[08:00] <hawke_> Jug_: It shouldn't, I have it installed here..
[08:00] <crazydeb8r> hawke: someone told me not to use non ubuntu backported stuff, etc...but everyone seems to use this stuff anyway...is it really safe?
[08:00] <Jug_> well no I didnt try compiling from source..
[08:01] <Echylo> k that works thanks hawke
[08:01] <Jug_> I tought ubuntu would have some working mp3 player
[08:01] <tyche> I don't know that the mp3 codec is 'legal' or is that the windows media?
[08:01] <Kirsch> Jug_: no, u have to install the RestrictedCodecs
[08:01] <Kirsch> check the wiki
[08:01] <crazydeb8r> Jug_: I got gstreamer_mad last night, worked fine
[08:01] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: I think it's safe.
[08:01] <Loiosh> None are, tyche =)
[08:01] <brk3> Jug_: totem should play them if you get gstreamer-mad from the res[pitories
[08:01] <crazydeb8r> thanks hawke
[08:01] <Kirsch> yea, thats the name of it gstreamer
[08:02] <Jug_> well I cant get the gstreamer-mad installed
[08:02] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: I find that it's only really unsafe if the functionality is there already in Ubuntu
[08:02] <Loiosh> MP3 is a licensed format.
[08:02] <Kirsch> Jug_: try "sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad" in prompt
[08:02] <tyche> Loiosh: They no like us? =)
[08:02] <Kirsch> Jug_: make sure u aded the universe repositories
[08:02] <Jug_> Kirsch: well that's exactly what I'm doing
[08:02] <Kirsch> ok
[08:02] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: So do I want stable or unstable...?
[08:02] <tyche> Loiosh: How does Winamp/iTunes, etc get away with it? Permissions?
[08:02] <Jug_> it says it depends on some id3 libs or whatever
[08:02] <Loiosh> Well, if a software developer wants to offer mp3 support (WinAMP) they have to pay for the right to license the decoding engine.
[08:03] <Jug_> and those cant be installed
[08:03] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: unstable if hoary, possibly testing if warty.
[08:03] <Kirsch> tyche: it can't be exported to some countries
[08:03] <Loiosh> So they pay a hefty yearly fee to the Franhoffer (sp) institute.
[08:03] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: I'm warty...so testing would be best?
[08:03] <brk3> Jug_: i think they'l have it sorted for the next realease
[08:03] <hawke_> CraHan: Yeah, probably.
[08:03] <hawke_> er
[08:03] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: yeah
[08:03] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: If there's conflicts, try unstable instead.
[08:04] <Libby_> hey
[08:04] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: Alright, thanks
[08:04] <Jug_> well I guess I need to install xmms from source them
[08:06] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: Worked like a dream, solved my problem. Props.
[08:08] <Kirsch> mjr: what do u mean by the gnome-vfs?
[08:08] <Jug_> oh great, I cant even get gtk/glib development files
[08:08] <Jug_> should I install those from source too? :)
[08:08] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Awesome
[08:09] <hawke_> Jug_: Those should be in there
[08:09] <hawke_> Jug_: libglib???-dev
[08:09] <hawke_> and libgtk???-dev
[08:11] <hawke_> Jug_: xmms is in main...
[08:11] <hawke_> Jug_: as is libgtk-dev
[08:12] <kroon> Anyone know of a good site explaining how to create your own .deb-packages ?
[08:13] <hawke_> kroon: the debian packagers guide is pretty good
[08:14] <kroon> hawke_, you got a url for that ? Google doesnt wanna give something useful
[08:14] <hawke_> kroon: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[08:14] <kroon> hawke_, thanks
[08:15] <elvirolo> hi all!
[08:24] <Echylo> how do you create a alias in ubuntu?
[08:25] <Echylo> like making a shortcut for example sudo gedit
[08:26] <LinuxJones> Echylo, desktop shortcut or console shortcut ?
[08:26] <Echylo> console
[08:26] <Jug_> yes gtk/glib development files are there but I cant install those
[08:27] <LinuxJones> Echylo, in your home directory there is a file called .bashrc look in there for some aliases
[08:27] <Echylo> ow
[08:27] <rapha> Echylo, "alias gedit="sudo gedit""
[08:27] <Echylo> thanks
[08:27] <Echylo> not gedit ;)
[08:27] <Echylo> sgedit
[08:27] <rapha> Echylo, without the outer quotation marks. Add that to ~/.bashrc
[08:27] <Echylo> k thanks
[08:27] <rapha> np
[08:28] <ebrandonwhite> quick question: Anyone have trouble logging on to sites like Ebay, Gmail through Firefox on Ubuntu?
[08:29] <rapha> ebrandonwhite: Quick answer: No.
[08:29] <Echylo> I just made a shortcut for sudo apt-get install
[08:29] <Loiosh> You have jscript enabled, Ebran?
[08:29] <ebrandonwhite> heh
[08:29] <Echylo> getin
[08:30] <StoffBox-Steve_> Dito, no ebrandonwhite
[08:30] <ebrandonwhite> yeah
[08:30] <gardion> how easy is it to set up flash/ quicktime/ real audio plugins in ubuntu?
[08:31] <ebrandonwhite> Loiosh: yes
[08:31] <LinuxJones> gardion, quite easy >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:31] <ebrandonwhite> gardion: flash was really easy
[08:31] <gardion> I know but I've found quicktime to be harder at least on pure debian.
[08:34] <LinuxJones> gardion, w32codec package can play quicktime
[08:35] <crazydeb8r> what do you all use for browser integration?
[08:36] <gardion> LinuxJoines: My issue on pure debian was that often voice in quicktime plugins would often be out of sync with video if you didn't do full size video.  It works fine on mepis but they use mplayer.
[08:36] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: I don't, I hate browser integration
[08:37] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: How do you watch streaming video then?
[08:37] <statico> we open up mplayer or totem and punch in the URL.
[08:37] <meuserj|work> crazydeb8r, I usually use mozilla-mplayer plugin
[08:37] <statico> or that.
[08:37] <crazydeb8r> *sigh*
[08:38] <crazydeb8r> Alrighty.
[08:38] <gardion> I'll try that.
[08:38] <crazydeb8r> Looks like punching in the urls is the way to go
[08:38] <crazydeb8r> because the mplayer plugin is sloppy
[08:38] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Callouts to mplayer or totem or such...
[08:38] <meuserj|work> crazydeb8r, try the latest one on their website... it is newer the the one in hoary or warty, and it is a big improvement
[08:39] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: The program just needs to accept urls or temporary files, I don't care if it plays in the browser.  And in fact prefer that it doesn't.
[08:39] <crazydeb8r> meuserj|work: I'm trying to avoid compiling
[08:40] <elvirolo> I've got a strange problem : I have an ATI Radeon 7500 card (with the Free drivers) and running RTCW : ET on my ubuntu hoary box seems to be very clunky although it used to work fine with mandrake 10.0 ... is it the change from XFree86 to X.org which makes the difference ?
[08:40] <meuserj|work> well... they provide binary RPMs that can be converted to debs using alien...
[08:40] <crazydeb8r> I'll just wait for now.
[08:40] <crazydeb8r> I can make it work using totem.
[08:42] <larsrohdin> hi, im trying to understand GTK... what files do i need to use it? im running fluxbox right now.
[08:44] <larsrohdin> anyone here today?
[08:44] <meuserj|work> larsrohdin, what do you mean "use" it?  Write programs that use GTK?  Run GTK programs??
[08:44] <larsrohdin> meuserj|work, i mean to change themes and such...
[08:44] <meuserj|work> larsrohdin, and you don't have GNOME installed?
[08:44] <[AngryCl] > how do I get a list of process's?
[08:45] <[AngryCl] > because kvirc seems to have dissapeared
[08:45] <larsrohdin> [AngryCl] , ps axl
[08:45] <[AngryCl] > ty
[08:45] <kent> lamont, gnome-theme-manager will change themes, but it needs gnome installed
[08:45] <larsrohdin> meuserj|work, yes i have, but im using fluxbox... do i have to use gnome?
[08:45] <meuserj|work> no, just run gnome-theme-manager
[08:45] <cybane> WOOT! I have an in-person interview tomorrow!!!
[08:46] <cybane> well maybe tormorrow I think it will be tomorrow
[08:46] <larsrohdin> meuserj|work, but isn't there a way to use it without gnome?
[08:46] <larsrohdin> cybane, interview with who?
[08:46] <[AngryCl] > :D
[08:46] <meuserj|work> well.. I beleive there are some gtk only theme selectors out there.. but I can't recall any off the top of my head
[08:46] <cybane> Company name is Cardinal Health http://www.cardinal.com/
[08:47] <crazydeb8r> cybane: In columbus Ohio?
[08:47] <cybane> Yeah
[08:47] <larsrohdin> meuserj|work, ok ill try it out...
[08:47] <crazydeb8r> cybane: I live in Dublin yo!
[08:47] <cybane> SUP!
[08:47] <cybane> I live 20mi north of columbus in a town named Marengo
[08:47] <crazydeb8r> Good company, good luck with the interview!
[08:47] <crazydeb8r> yeah, I know where that is!
[08:47] <cybane> It is for Tech Support Help Desk Call Center deal
[08:48] <crazydeb8r> I'm at College now...but it's still my home
[08:48] <crazydeb8r> they have a good tech support team I hear
[08:48] <ffffff> Can i setup the network when iam inside ubuntu? Or do i have to do it under the install?
[08:48] <cybane> My brother works @ OCLC and my father works for Verizon Wireless whole damn family is working in Dublin about
[08:48] <crazydeb8r> heh
[08:48] <crazydeb8r> nice.
[08:48] <crazydeb8r> I went to Coffman High School - it's like 4 minutes away
[08:48] <crazydeb8r> you can see the stadium from the parking lot of cardinal
[08:48] <ffffff> School sucks
[08:48] <Levander> Anybody know what the hot key is to get to the firefox search bar?  Using Warty with FF 0.93.
[08:49] <cybane> Well I made a good impression with them on the phone and they want to see me for a F2F interview
[08:49] <crazydeb8r> that's awesome. Good luck man
[08:49] <ffffff> Can i setup the network when iam inside ubuntu? Or do i have to do it under the install?
[08:49] <meuserj|work> ffffff, use network-admin
[08:49] <cybane> Go figure they want me for Windows Tech Support too
[08:49] <Levander> ffffff, Computer -> Networking menu
[08:49] <cybane> Right when I give up using the OS I get a job supporting it lol
[08:49] <ffffff> ok thanks.
[08:49] <crazydeb8r> I just gave it up too
[08:50] <crazydeb8r> but I work for ITS here at school, so it never really goes away
[08:50] <cybane> I did 4 years of tech support for my College's Computer Sevices center so I know how really stupid and professors can break their stuff
[08:50] <Levander> come on, nobody know the hot key to get to the search bar in firefox, this should be an easy one
[08:50] <crazydeb8r> Levander, ctrl l or ctrl k
[08:50] <crazydeb8r> can't remember
[08:51] <cybane> When I was at school they did a migration from Win98 to Win2k and everyone decided to get new computers with WinXP so I got Win2k and XP
[08:51] <Levander> crazydeb8r, yeah, ctrl k is what the docs says, it's never worked for me though
[08:51] <crazydeb8r> ours is worse: Our wireless won't accept anything configured as a repeater...so nothing expect windows XP works on the network
[08:51] <cybane> Thanks to the ACM's .NET dev package I got both OSes for free Pro versions too
[08:51] <Levander> ctrl l does work to get to the location bar
[08:52] <crazydeb8r> Levander: workign for me right now...
[08:52] <Levander> just figured out, ctrl k does a line kill like in emacs when you are on the location bar.
[08:52] <crazydeb8r> whoa.
[08:52] <Levander> crazy, u r using FF 0.93, the default in Warty?
[08:52] <crazydeb8r> oh, dude.
[08:52] <crazydeb8r> no, I am using the backported 1.0
[08:53] <Levander> crazy, okay, thanks for trying, i appreciate it
[08:53] <crazydeb8r> update it from the http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/ repository
[08:53] <crazydeb8r> it's worth the upgrade unless you have a specific reason not to
[08:54] <crazydeb8r> and ctrl k works, so does backspace to go back a page
[08:54] <crazydeb8r> which is uber handy
[08:55] <Levander> if i add the backports repository, when I try to install hoary when it's released, will firefox be installed from backports or from canonical?
[08:55] <crazydeb8r> just remove the backport repository before you update
[08:55] <Levander> that's why i haven't used backports yet, don't know how using other repositories is gonna mess thigns up later
[08:55] <crazydeb8r> that's my plan
[08:56] <Xappe> backports can be a drag when it comes to dist-upgrading to another version
[08:56] <Levander> yeah crazy, that's prolly what I'll do.  I guess no real sense waiting a month or so for hoary just to get some of the hotkey in FF working
[08:56] <Levander> xappe, how can it be a drag? that's what I'm worried about
[08:56] <mcphail> Levander: why not just use FF from the mozilla site?
[08:57] <Xappe> i don't really know how, but I guess it's about package conflicts and so on
[08:57] <crazydeb8r> mcphail: the backport is checked against ubuntu I guess.
[08:57] <Levander> mcphail, talk about screwing up my installation!  the mozilla site doesn't integrate at all with ubuntu installs
[08:57] <mcphail> Levander: yes it does. That's what i use
[08:57] <Levander> xappe, yeah, wish i could find a good article on it, i've looked
[08:57] <crazydeb8r> mcphail: mm...for now.
[08:57] <Levander> mcphail, yes, it'll run
[08:57] <crazydeb8r> then your install goes poot.
[08:58] <Spug> Does anyone but me need to have read access to my home folder, or can I chmod it so only I can access it?
[08:58] <Levander> but, you'll always have those files out there
[08:58] <mcphail> crazydeb8r: no it doesn't
[08:58] <Xappe> Levander, there are som guides about how to deal with backports on the forum
[08:58] <Xappe> *some
[08:58] <Levander> spug, u can chmod it, lots od
[08:58] <Levander> do*
[08:58] <Spug> OK, thanks :)
[08:58] <cybane> Anyone out there use a Mac?
[08:58] <Levander> xappe, cool, i'll do a search for "backports guides" to try to find them
[08:59] <Slackman> cybane: i do
[08:59] <crazydeb8r> hey anyone got .mov files to work properly in totem?
[08:59] <crazydeb8r> I can't get sound
[08:59] <Slackman> cybane: currently on an  ibook now
[08:59] <crazydeb8r> and I get a "error: null" thing when I try
[08:59] <Xappe> Levander, search for just "backports"...that would do I guess
[08:59] <Levander> mcphail, the whole point of apt is to keep up with all what files are installed, sometimes you gotta, but if you don't have to, is better not to
[08:59] <cybane> How do you like it as an alternative to Windows?
[08:59] <mcphail> Levander: sudo cp /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox9; sudo ln -s /usr/bin/firefox /path/to/my/firefox
[09:00] <Slackman> cybane: not sure what you mean? i'm running ubuntu with kde
[09:00] <mcphail> Levander: 1.0.1 is out with security fixes
[09:00] <Slackman> cybane: you talking about osx?
[09:00] <Levander> mcphail, that doesn't keep track of what files u have on your file system though
[09:00] <ebrandonwhite> slackman: How was the kde config...did it go well?
[09:00] <Levander> it's fine if u wanna be running the latest version of something
[09:00] <mcphail> Levander: but your browser should be as up to date as possible
[09:00] <Levander> just be aware that your losing management of this files via apt
[09:01] <mcphail> Levander: phishing etc
[09:01] <Slackman> ebrandonwhite: sensational...flawless
[09:01] <Levander> mcphail, yeah, just be aware
[09:01] <Levander> is fine if that's important to u to do that
[09:01] <mcphail> Levander: just copy firefox9 back if you want to apt
[09:01] <Slackman> ebrandonwhite: had to use hoary though...and pbbuttonsd is b0rked
[09:01] <spectrum> hi, I try kino and it end with "Segementation fault", kdevelop end with this reason too, have anybody the same problem?
[09:02] <ebrandonwhite> slackman: I have considered using kde but had never really used gnome so I wanted to give it a try
[09:02] <cybane> I am probably going to switch to FVWM2 when I get a better knowledge of Linux
[09:02] <Levander> mcphail, i see what u saying, maybe that's as safe as it can be
[09:02] <crazydeb8r> Does anyone know how to get the w32codecs pack from APT?
[09:02] <Echylo> I have  aprob
[09:02] <Levander> mcphail, i'd rather just stay with the last released stable version of firefox via ubuntu
[09:02] <Echylo> xine hangs
[09:03] <Echylo> and I can't kill it through "top"
[09:03] <Slackman> ebrandonwhite: well yeh, if you decide to use KDE it works great. :)
[09:03] <Levander> they're suppose to do any necessary security fixes and make them available
[09:03] <mcphail> Levander: the last stable release has multiple vulnerabilities
[09:03] <Levander> mcphail, they haven't been doing security updates for it??
[09:03] <bascule> Echylo: killall -15 gxine/xine
[09:03] <bascule> if not
[09:03] <bascule> Echylo: killall -9 gxine/xine
[09:04] <ebrandonwhite> Slackman: Sweet
[09:04] <Echylo> and where do I need to type that?
[09:04] <crazydeb8r> Levander: if you get the 1.0 backport, it's fine
[09:04] <mcphail> Levander: nope. 1.0.1 is just out. I didn't find the security fixes from 1.0 in the warty version
[09:04] <MaxeyPad> I'm using XMMS on gnome.  When I address file via the smb protocol (ie smb://box/share/file.mp3) xmms does not know how to resolve the path properly.  Is there a way to give xmms support for that without mounting the files on the filesystem?
[09:04] <Levander> mcphail, but ubuntu is supposed to be making security fixes, or at least making them available for the version they have released, which is 0.93
[09:05] <Levander> so they could do 0.93.1 or something for a security fix
[09:05] <Levander> instead of bumping it to 0.94
[09:05] <mcphail> Levander: mozilla rarely issue patches - just full upgrades. It's long been an issue
[09:05] <kent> MaxeyPad, xmms uses old gtk+ 1.2 libraries. It does not know how to handle smb://   protocols, i think
[09:05] <Levander> mcphail, interesting, thanks for the info
[09:05] <MaxeyPad> I see
[09:05] <Levander> i'll keep my eye on it
[09:06] <mcphail> Levander: I always try to use the latest browser, regardless of distro
[09:06] <Levander> mcphail, maybe they'll start, w the 1.0.1 release instead of a 1.1 release though
[09:06] <Levander> maybe they just did that because until now, everything was beta
[09:06] <mcphail> Levander: it's been the same for the full mozilla suite
[09:07] <Levander> mcphail, o i c
[09:07] <Levander> mcphail, not good news
[09:07] <kent> MaxeyPad, have you tried beep media player (it uses newer gnome, but perhaps not gnome-vfs, which i think is needed.)  rhythmbox, muine might be programs that handles it better
[09:07] <mcphail> no
[09:07] <mcphail> Levander: they've released x.x.1 updates before
[09:07] <Levander> mcphail, for security fixes?
[09:07] <mcphail> yes
[09:08] <Echylo> I'm bored
[09:08] <Levander> mcphail, how often they drop support for a release then?
[09:08] <Echylo> give me something to do
[09:08] <mcphail> who - mozilla?
[09:09] <Levander> mcphail, yeah, now u make it sound like they r doing security fixes, wondering how long till they just stop doing the security fixes for a release
[09:09] <Sionide> boh
[09:09] <Sionide> evening all
[09:09] <[neo] > anyone use realtek advanced sound (intel 915 onboard sound card)?
[09:09] <MrKeuner> hi, After dist-upgrading a strict warty, xserver started booting in 640X480 resolution. x.log tells me that the settings that it was using successfully, before the upgrade are out of synch. What can be the problem?
[09:09] <crazydeb8r> Echylo: Can you help me with codecs?
[09:09] <HawoK> hi there... my computer crashed time ago (nothing new =P, I'm used to it).. but synaptic was running
[09:09] <Echylo> damn I'm not bored anymore
[09:09] <Echylo> :p
[09:09] <crazydeb8r> haha
[09:09] <Echylo> sure
[09:09] <Echylo> tell me
[09:09] <HawoK> and it was installing a lot o' stuff
[09:10] <mcphail> Levander:  the security fixes form the bulk of each release
[09:10] <Levander> neo, sounds like a forums question, u'd be very luck to find someone in here with exact same sound card
[09:10] <crazydeb8r> Echylo, alright, I want to play a .mov file, but can't get sound
[09:10] <Levander> mcphail, i c, but i gotta go
[09:10] <crazydeb8r> I want to play it back in Totem
[09:10] <Levander> see yall later
[09:10] <crazydeb8r> perfect, crystal picture
[09:10] <crazydeb8r> no sound
[09:10] <HawoK> now, something has been installed, something has not..
[09:10] <mcphail> bye
[09:10] <drEwan> Please some one help, I have some problems setting Up the Router...
[09:10] <HawoK> there is something like "resume"?
[09:11] <cr4z3d> wow i still can't get ubuntu to boot.. it always freezes at modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device
[09:11] <cr4z3d> any ideas?
[09:11] <[neo] > Levander: thanks. I havn't actually installed ubuntu yet but trying to find out if my sound will work.
[09:11] <Echylo> hmm
[09:11] <Echylo> you have win32 codecs?
[09:11] <crazydeb8r> no
[09:11] <crazydeb8r> is there a deb package for those?
[09:11] <Echylo> wait
[09:11] <Echylo> I'll check
[09:11] <crazydeb8r> kk
[09:12] <Echylo> hmm mov
[09:12] <Echylo> short for?
[09:12] <crazydeb8r> quicktime
[09:12] <drEwan> Anyone, help? I cannot share my Cable Modem Internet Connection to the other Client..
[09:13] <Echylo> have you installed the libquicktime?
[09:13] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: It's on marillat
[09:13] <Echylo> what is marillaT?
[09:13] <crazydeb8r> it's a repository
[09:14] <hawke_> Echylo: apt-get repository
[09:14] <Echylo> with which software on it?
[09:14] <hawke_> Echylo: containing video stuff...mplayer, w32codecs, avi stuff, dvd decoder stuff...
[09:14] <crazydeb8r> lots of stuff it seems, use the testing repository if you have warty
[09:14] <Echylo> site site? :p
[09:14] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: Do I want the w32codecs?
[09:15] <hawke_> Echylo: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[09:16] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: You might...
[09:16] <cr4z3d> i'm just going to let my laptop sit and see if it ever goes
[09:16] <cr4z3d> anyone think it'll go
[09:16] <[neo] > I just downloaded and burned Warty Warthog. I understand there's a more recent version. Recommendations? (My first install.)
[09:17] <cr4z3d> wait there's a newer version?
[09:17] <cr4z3d> what's the new one
[09:17] <mcphail> [neo] : warty is fine. Hoary isn't officially released yet
[09:18] <[neo] > mcphail: Thanks. Hoary is in testing?
[09:18] <mcphail> yes
[09:18] <mcphail> ?April release?
[09:19] <cr4z3d> what's the newest ubuntu version
[09:19] <cr4z3d> what's the "jigit" version
[09:19] <cr4z3d> and "warty"
[09:19] <liberion> hey guys i just bought a xpc shuttle with an amd sampron 2400 everything works but the sound i think its some realtech driver but i dont know the name of the module
[09:20] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: I can't get the marillat server to work, won't update the repository
[09:20] <liberion> Realtek ALC 650 soundcard not detected so anyone know the name of the module?
[09:20] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Did you look at that website?
[09:20] <crazydeb8r> yes
[09:20] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: It has a list of the repositories on it..
[09:21] <drEwan> First of all, I have a Question, Is someone here a GURU?
[09:21] <crazydeb8r> it can't retrieve the packages list
[09:21] <drEwan> I don't know who to ask?
[09:21] <darksatanic> drEwan: Just ask the question. If someone knows the answer, they'll tell you.
[09:22] <Ubuntian> hello all
[09:22] <drEwan> ok, I have some problems sharing Internet Connection, on my "server" I have Cable modem with DHCP, and a second eth1 with Static IP...   how do I route that, so the second client which is 192.168.0.2 can acces Internet?
[09:22] <solarwinds> Hello all, I would like to build web site , But I am looking for a good application for that, any recommdation ???
[09:22] <jono> anyone here in the UK?
[09:23] <darksatanic> jono: Me? :)
[09:23] <Ubuntian> the X-chat window looks great
[09:23] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: What did you put as your sources.list line?
[09:24] <solarwinds> please help...
[09:24] <jono> darksatanic, I am looking for any ubuntu people who would like to run an ubuntu stand at lugradio live in the uk
[09:24] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: I put it in synaptic...
[09:24] <jono> jdub, ping
[09:24] <_4strO|zZZzz> bn all
[09:25] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: I'll try editing the sources.list
[09:25] <Ubuntian> is there a GUI to mount a partition in Ubuntu, can't see it...
[09:25] <Ubuntian> ?
[09:26] <mcphail> Ubuntian: I don't think so. Easy enough to set up a script to do this, though
[09:27] <Ubuntian> thanks mcphail
[09:28] <mcphail> Ubuntian: put it in .gnome2/nautilus-scripts/ and it'll be available on right-clicking desktop
[09:29] <Brunellus> hello world
[09:29] <Echylo> how can you configure ur webcam in ubuntu?
[09:29] <Echylo> print "hello world"
[09:29] <Echylo> echo("hello world")
[09:29] <Echylo> printf("hello world")
[09:29] <Echylo> :p
[09:30] <Brunellus> anybody know how to get CDDB up and running on ubuntu warty?
[09:30] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: Fixed it, thanks
[09:30] <Brunellus> gnome-cd plays fine;  I'd just like to be able to get the ID tags for all my CDs and whatnot
[09:30] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: cool
[09:31] <Frafraxy> hi
[09:31] <Ubuntian> echylo mine was detected automatically when i launched gnomemeeting, did u try that?
[09:31] <Frafraxy> for burn an audio cd from any mp3 files?
[09:31] <Echylo> ow let me try
[09:31] <hawke_> Frafraxy: Error parsing statement.
[09:31] <Spug> What would I need to do to print in Linux? CUPS?
[09:32] <Frafraxy> excuse me
[09:32] <Brunellus> well, ripping is the next step
[09:32] <hawke_> Spug: yes
[09:32] <Frafraxy> i must to burn an audio cd
[09:32] <Frafraxy> using some mp3 files
[09:32] <Echylo> nope
[09:32] <Echylo> not here
[09:32] <Echylo> a logitech quickcam
[09:32] <Spug> So what would I do, roughly speaking? Enable cups, then blah blah?
[09:33] <Ubuntian> gnomemeeting: edit/preference/audiodevices
[09:33] <Ubuntian> maybe
[09:33] <mcphail> Frafraxy: not tried this on Ubuntu. Does nautilus burn:/// do what you need?
[09:33] <Ubuntian> i mean videodevices
[09:33] <Frafraxy> mcphail, i must create an audio cd with some mp3
[09:34] <mcphail> Frafraxy: yes, but the nautilus burner might do this as above. I'm just not sure if it will convert the mp3 to audio, or just write plain mp3 data. Try it and see
[09:35] <Frafraxy> k
[09:35] <Frafraxy> thanks
[09:35] <INRSboy> hi everyone, can some one tell me how to add some desktop on gnome ?
[09:35] <Spug> hawke_: What would I need to do, roughly speaking, to use cups to print?
[09:36] <cr4z3d> ahh.. can anyone help me.. this thing is really pissing me off.. there has to be a way to skip the floppy check so i don't hang..
[09:36] <Spug> CTRL + C? :P
[09:36] <Ubuntian> u can disable the floppy in your bios i think
[09:36] <cr4z3d> would that really work?
[09:37] <cr4z3d> i don't have a floppy to begin with
[09:37] <markuman> hello...what is "dd" and "losetup" ???
[09:37] <cr4z3d> and it's on a laptop
[09:37] <cr4z3d> so there is no bios option
[09:37] <cr4z3d> for floppy
[09:37] <kent> cr4z3d, floppycheck? if ubuntu tries to load a module for the floppy blacklist it in hotplug, it might work
[09:37] <cr4z3d> how would i do that
[09:37] <cr4z3d> cuz i can't even get it to boot
[09:37] <cr4z3d> it freezes there everytime
[09:38] <kent> cr4z3d, wait and il check.
[09:38] <cr4z3d> ok
[09:39] <kent> cr4z3d, /etc/hotplug/blacklist     edit that file and enter "floppy" there (i think thats the name of the module).  that way atleast hotplug wont load the module. Im not sure if there is a better way to disable the load of that module
[09:39] <Echylo> how cool is gdesklets?
[09:40] <Echylo> and cpu usage?
[09:40] <zenrox> Echylo, if you dont have a fast pc its use less
[09:40] <Echylo> damned
[09:40] <meuserj|work> Echylo, yeah... it's pretty CPU heavy
[09:40] <cr4z3d> ok but how would i go about editing it without being able to boot?
[09:40] <meuserj|work> Echylo, very pretty... but SLOW
[09:40] <Ubuntian> so your webcam Echylo works?
[09:40] <Echylo> no
[09:40] <zenrox> even for a 2ghz system
[09:40] <Echylo> damn
[09:40] <Echylo> I have a pentium 2 433 mhz
[09:40] <Echylo> :D
[09:40] <Echylo> mmx
[09:41] <crazydeb8r> woot mmx
[09:41] <zenrox> cant on that
[09:41] <Echylo> that's an important detail
[09:41] <crazydeb8r> preach it!
[09:41] <zenrox> lol
[09:41] <Echylo> even call of duty & rollercoaster tycoon 3 works here
[09:41] <Ubuntian> Echylo:did u try the edit/preferences/videodevices in gnomemeeting?
[09:41] <Echylo> no
[09:41] <kent> cr4z3d, when you boot, can you get grub to stop with esc or something. So that you can choose kernel etc. Then do linux init=/bin/bash  (Linux is the name of the kernel to use,  enter the name of your kernel, it should probably be named on the prompt so you can see the name..)
[09:41] <zenrox> i havent tried rrt3 (rail road tycoon 3"
[09:42] <crazydeb8r> mmm mmx
[09:42] <Echylo> will gaim ever support webcams?
[09:42] <Echylo> what do you have with mmx?
[09:42] <zenrox> Echylo,  maby in 3-4 years
[09:42] <durin42> Echylo: gaim-vv
[09:42] <crazydeb8r> I have the exact same processor in a server at home
[09:42] <Echylo> :)
[09:42] <Echylo> what durin42?
[09:42] <cr4z3d> so i get in and go to edit and then find the kernel one and i replace it with linux init=/bin/bash
[09:42] <cr4z3d> ?
[09:42] <durin42> Echylo: look up gaim-vv
[09:43] <Echylo> and that is?
[09:43] <durin42> Echylo: a friendly fork of gaim to add voice/video features
[09:44] <Echylo> ok
[09:44] <AngryClip> does anyone know how I can change the default sound card used by gnome? but then to revert to another one if the first is not present?
[09:44] <Echylo> yay
[09:44] <Echylo> gdesklets doesn't even run
[09:44] <Echylo> looks like it has problem with
[09:44] <Echylo> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarni ng: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[09:44] <Echylo>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[09:44] <meuserj|work> Echylo, no.. that's just a warning
[09:44] <crazydeb8r> whee w32codecs!
[09:45] <Echylo> but it doesn't run :)
[09:45] <kent> cr4z3d, hmm, sorry. I was thinking about how i did it a long time ago. Cant you choose recovery mode when the computer starts? The thing i was talking about was that when it starts, atleast some years ago you could specify init=/bin/bash as an option on boot.
[09:45] <Echylo> or my pc is too slow :p:p
[09:45] <crazydeb8r> mmm, think of w32codecs on an MMX processor :-P
[09:45] <meuserj|work> Echylo, you running warty or hoary?
[09:45] <Echylo> warty
[09:45] <cr4z3d> there is a recovery options but the thing is it hits the same problem
[09:45] <Echylo> stop about the MMX :P
[09:45] <Echylo> freak
[09:45] <meuserj|work> Echylo, when gdesklets runs, it doesn't show anything until you actually add a gdesklet display
[09:45] <cr4z3d> right after starting hotplug subsystem
[09:45] <crazydeb8r> *sigh* alright.
[09:45] <durin42> crazydeb8r: STFU...I don't even live in this channel and it's old
[09:45] <Echylo> and how you add?
[09:46] <cr4z3d> the first one it trys is floppy and it hangs
[09:46] <kent> cr4z3d, ok. You could try do download the live cd (burn it from another computer?) and from that cd you could edit the file on the computer.
[09:46] <meuserj|work> Echylo, go to /usr/share/gdesklets and find a .display file and run "gdesklets filename.display"
[09:46] <crazydeb8r> durin42: you could've just said that to me, no need to publicly embarass me since you're three feet away :-P
[09:46] <cr4z3d> tried taht too
[09:46] <cr4z3d> didn't load
[09:46] <Echylo> oow ok
[09:46] <kent> cr4z3d, the cd did not boot correctly?
[09:46] <cr4z3d> nope
[09:47] <meuserj|work> the gdesklets version in hoary is much nicer... gui for adding displays and everything.
[09:47] <cr4z3d> it went to a blank screen
[09:47] <cr4z3d> and just stopped
[09:47] <kent> cr4z3d, strange. I have no floppy and have no problems at all by the way.
[09:47] <cr4z3d> hmm are you useing a laptop?
[09:48] <kent> cr4z3d, no, but should that matter?
[09:48] <Loiosh> Yeah, Cr, that error will happen on a laptop
[09:48] <cr4z3d> i don't know.. it seems others have the same problem on the ubuntu forum but no one has an answer
[09:48] <Loiosh> You need to use the fb command
[09:48] <cr4z3d> the fb command?
[09:48] <cr4z3d> what's that
[09:48] <Loiosh> ubuntu fb1024x768
[09:48] <Loiosh> For a laptop
[09:48] <cr4z3d> wait what exactly do you mean
[09:48] <Loiosh> I had that problem last week.
[09:49] <Loiosh> For the Ubuntu live CD
[09:49] <cr4z3d> oh no i'm trying to do the non live cd
[09:49] <Loiosh> Oh ok, I thought you tried it and it crashed too =)
[09:49] <cr4z3d> well it did
[09:49] <cr4z3d> the live did
[09:49] <cr4z3d> and so did the install version
[09:50] <Echylo> is there any other way to brighten up your desktop
[09:50] <Echylo> ?
[09:50] <Echylo> without much cpu usage?
[09:50] <Loiosh> Yeah, the live one you have to go to the submenu and select the fb command.
[09:50] <Echylo> heey
[09:50] <Echylo> medebelg
[09:50] <Echylo> :p
[09:50] <Loiosh> Otherwise it'll halt on a blank screen (it's trying to poke the video memory)
[09:50] <cr4z3d> hmm yeah that's waht i got
[09:51] <cr4z3d> i'll try and use the live to edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist  to add floppy to it and maybe i can actually get it to boot yay
[09:51] <AndyR> lo all
[09:51] <Loiosh> Yeah, if not, try a knoppix cd =)
[09:52] <Loiosh> Same command though, knoppix fb1024x768, hehe
[09:52] <crazydeb8r> hey hawke_: That codec pack solved my problems.
[09:53] <cr4z3d> i have knoppix cd already good
[09:53] <cr4z3d> i could do that
[09:54] <Loiosh> Yeah, then you can mount the hd if you need to
[09:58] <Harti> nabend
[09:58] <calamari> hi
[09:58] <Harti> german here?
[09:58] <cr4z3d> Loiosh: how do i get to the console in knoppix
[09:59] <jbailey> Harti: Try #ubuntu-de
[09:59] <calamari> just been to the #apache room.. they claim ubuntu's apache2 is broken.. how can I fix it so that I don't have to use apache2-default?
[09:59] <Echylo> U don't have to use that
[09:59] <Harti> thx
[09:59] <Echylo> u just change default directory
[09:59] <calamari> Echylo: how?
[10:00] <Loiosh> Oh
[10:00] <Loiosh> Sorry Cr
[10:00] <cr4z3d> nm got that now how do i mount stuff again.. i completly forget
[10:00] <Loiosh> If I remember correctly there's an icon on the quick start pbar
[10:00] <Loiosh> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[10:01] <calamari> Echylo: I just searched my hard drive for containing text "apache2-default" and it didn't find it.. so I'm really not sure where to change it
[10:01] <elvirolo> how all, anyone having sound problems with the latest updates of hoary?
[10:01] <cr4z3d> thanks
[10:01] <elvirolo> hi*
[10:02] <Loiosh> np =)
[10:02] <Loiosh> Startup wave file not working, elvi?
[10:02] <selinium_> Hi guys, just upgraded to hoary, but it seems to be ignoring my graphics card ie 640x480 any help gratefully recieved
[10:03] <erlend_> damn. why can't i apt-get the linux-headers-2.6.10-3 .. only linux-headers-2.6.10-4 exists. and i am using the -3 kernel, since -4 is making gnome freeze
[10:03] <calamari> anyone here using apache?
[10:03] <Echylo> I did
[10:03] <Echylo> shoot
[10:04] <selinium_> I did
[10:04] <Echylo> no I did :p
[10:04] <selinium_> no, me, me!
[10:04] <Echylo> pick me! pick me
[10:04] <erlend_> does it matter ? can i build a module using headers-2.6.10-4 when i use the 2.6.10-3 kernel ? i couldn't load the module ...
[10:04] <calamari> "<Echylo> u just change default directory"  can anyone elaborate on this?
[10:05] <Echylo> selinium will
[10:05] <cr4z3d> ok i edited the blacklist and added floppy.. but now it just hangs at starting hotplug subsystem.. ahh wtf..
[10:06] <tuxdisciple> Right, quick question... is there any 'gentooish' mechanism to handle config file differences interactively when I update a package that has config files I've changed?
[10:06] <calamari> did I say something wrong?  I'n not trying to be annoying
[10:07] <calamari> Here is what I got from #apache: "<fajita> apache2-default is located in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default or a broken configuration shipped by Ubuntu Linux"
[10:07] <Loiosh> Aww, Cr =(
[10:07] <Echylo> no you didn't calamir
[10:07] <Echylo> but I go asleep
[10:08] <Echylo> gnight everyone :)
[10:08] <Echylo> have fun
[10:08] <Loiosh> You could disable USB. That's what hotplug is doing. It handles USB/firewire
[10:08] <Echylo> and remember!
[10:08] <Echylo> do it safe
[10:08] <Loiosh> Byebye Ech
[10:08] <cr4z3d> wouldn't i need usb
[10:08] <cr4z3d> for my touchpad thing laptop mouse
[10:08] <Loiosh> I don't know how to debug start up thingies =(
[10:08] <cr4z3d> oh
[10:10] <Loiosh> This was my first attempt to try linux again after 7 years of avoiding it =) You might want to hang around though, cr. There are people who know a -lot- more who come here in the evening
[10:10] <cr4z3d> ok
[10:10] <Brunellus> h'm.
[10:10] <Brunellus> I can't seem to get cddb data at all
[10:11] <Loevborg> when I use the "nvidia" driver in lieu of "nv" in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in hoary, I only get the nvidia logo, but I don't get any further. known issue?
[10:12] <Loiosh> Your message log state a failure when you try to start up uh..
[10:12] <Loiosh> gxmod or something?
[10:12] <Loiosh> I had to disable 3d acceleration to fix my crashing
[10:12] <cr4z3d> woohoo it's booting
[10:12] <cr4z3d> !!!
[10:12] <Loiosh> Yay Cr =)
[10:14] <Loevborg> Loiosh, but without 3d accel, "nvidia" is a bit useless isn't it?
[10:14] <Loiosh> It does some nice 2d acceleration
[10:14] <kent> cr4z3d, what did you do to make it boot?
[10:15] <cr4z3d> acpi=off
[10:15] <Loiosh> Oh.. duh
[10:15] <Loiosh> I should have rememebered that
[10:15] <cr4z3d> but i did get too other fatal errors that i saw a fix on the forum
[10:16] <cr4z3d> now i just need to know what to edit to make the acpi=off perminate
[10:16] <eruin> anyone know where I might find some xchat themes?
[10:16] <Loevborg> I'm trying again.
[10:17] <eruin> anyone know how I can force a reinstall of xchat with the new config files?
[10:19] <Loiosh> That setting I don't remember, cr. It may help to google for it
[10:19] <Loiosh> change grub options
[10:19] <cr4z3d> waoh that's weird stuff
[10:19] <cr4z3d> i just hit the update and it downloaded and i forgot my wireless card was even in.. i don't have the network cable hooked to it so i was like woah how am i downloading
[10:20] <Loiosh> LoL!
[10:25] <tux_> Hey everyone
[10:28] <ompaul> hay is for horses :-)
[10:28] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: ping
[10:29] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: pong
[10:29] <Brunellus> pang.
[10:29] <kroon> Are there any good sound-editors in Hoary/Hoary-universe ?
[10:30] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: what is that program that can copy a whole website
[10:30] <Amaranth> httrack
[10:33] <EndGame> alright hippies, im giving ubuntu a try for a friend
[10:33] <Axiont> kroon: have you tried Audacity
[10:33] <EndGame> he's new to linux, i figured this would be better than gentoo
[10:34] <EndGame> is gnome or kde installed by default, because its on old laptop and i think xfce4 would be better
[10:34] <kroon> Axiont, nope, ill give it a shot
[10:34] <Axiont> ok
[10:34] <meuserj|work> EndGame, GNOME is default... Ubuntu is very GNOME-centric
[10:34] <EndGame> eh, if i like what i see (which i expect to) i am going to start suggesting ubuntu to all my friends
[10:34] <Axiont> i use it it's decent
[10:35] <EndGame> ah, thanks meuserj
[10:35] <kroon> Axiont, I don't think Audacity is what I need, I just need to edit .wav-files, not a fullblown multitrack-recorder
[10:36] <Axiont> that is what it does too
[10:36] <kroon> oh ok
[10:36] <Axiont> kroon: you dont have to use that feature in it
[10:37] <Loiosh> I picked it because of the philosphy.
[10:37] <hawke_> kroon: Audacity is great for editing wavs, even w/o the multitrack.  And multitrack is handy for working with a bunch of wav files at once.
[10:37] <Loiosh> I really like how.. friendly, Ubuntu feels.
[10:37] <cr4z3d> dude ubuntu is awsome when i first saw it
[10:37] <EndGame> Loiosh, yeah, bunch of hippies
[10:37] <EndGame> :-)
[10:38] <cr4z3d> but.. i need to get it to recognize my wireless card it says there is none but before it downloaded with it without gnome loaded.. wtf
[10:38] <EndGame> gentoo has a great user base, good support, but the distro itself is about as friendly as a brick to the face
[10:38] <Loiosh> Well, End, a little more than that, LoL +{)
[10:38] <Loiosh> =)
[10:39] <LordofKhemenu> EndGame: heh, you got that right. I'm a geek,but even I have my limits
[10:39] <LeeColleton> Loiosh: would you feel differently if it were being used by a despotic regime to repress their citizens?
[10:39] <Loiosh> Just take a look at the website and then compare it to other dists. They have a philsophy up there, a design. They talk about what Ubuntu is about, why it's made. It's a very nice design.
[10:39] <Loiosh> No, Lee =)
[10:39] <EndGame> i still love my gentoo :-)
[10:39] <Loiosh> I could care less who uses it.
[10:39] <Loiosh> I like the design behind it.
[10:39] <EndGame> world peace, save the whales
[10:40] <EndGame> cure diseases
[10:40] <EndGame> good stuff
[10:40] <LordofKhemenu> save a gay baby whale for jesus n stuff
[10:40] <Loiosh> Hehe
[10:40] <LeeColleton> Loiosh: I meant if it were produced by a despotic regime, not just used by one
[10:40] <EndGame> LordofKhemenu, wtf
[10:40] <EndGame> ha
[10:40] <Loiosh> Assuming -all- was the same, no I wouldn't care.
[10:40] <LeeColleton> Nuke a Gay Whale for Christ
[10:40] <Loiosh> As long as they keep doing what they are doing, I approve.
[10:40] <LordofKhemenu> LeeColleton: lol yeah, that's it
[10:41] <mete> hi
[10:41] <LeeColleton> LordofKhemenu: I should know, I once wore that button as a nuclear reactor operator onboard a US submarine!
[10:41] <mete> I try: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[10:41] <LordofKhemenu> LeeColleton: bet you made friends easily ;)
[10:42] <Loiosh> Heh
[10:42] <LeeColleton> we used a unix system to aim the torpedoes and order spare parts, btw
[10:42] <mete> but I cannot get it: E: Package libgtk2.0-dev has no installation candidate
[10:42] <LeeColleton> not the same unix system for both, though
[10:42] <Loiosh> I find it amusing and sad the loud sonar pings can kill the dolphins though, heh
[10:42] <Loiosh> Poor guys
[10:42] <mete> does anyone know a repository with libgtk2.0-dev?
[10:42] <racingcamel> I have just installed ubuntu and as I was downloading udates it froze for 15 mins after which i restarted my computer. It appeared fine until it claimed to be finished and left me with a command prompt instead of a Graphical Login. How do I get gnome to work correctly?
[10:42] <LeeColleton> racingcamel: run apt-get -f install as root
[10:43] <mete> racingcamel, this happended to me too, I just redid the installation and then it worked
[10:43] <Drel> It's not just dolphins.  It's basically the auditory equivalent of shining a spotlight into an owl's eyes.
[10:43] <LeeColleton> that is "apt-get -f install" without quotes
[10:43] <Drel> Many marine animals have exsquisitely sensitive hearing.
[10:43] <Loiosh> Yeah
[10:43] <Loiosh> And when they are following along with a sub.. well, giving away it's positioni
[10:43] <racingcamel> I did that and nothing happened
[10:43] <Loiosh> -ping-
[10:44] <Loiosh> You root right now, Racing?
[10:44] <racingcamel> is there and apt for just checking for all available updates?
[10:44] <LeeColleton> Drel: try lighting off a truckload of rocket motors infront of someone's house at 2AM
[10:44] <racingcamel> yeah
[10:44] <racingcamel> 'well
[10:44] <racingcamel> actually
[10:44] <Loiosh> su
[10:44] <Loiosh> =)
[10:44] <racingcamel> i did it sudo apt-get install -f
[10:44] <mete> you can try: sudo apt-get -f install
[10:44] <racingcamel> then entered pass
[10:44] <Drel> LeeColleton: That would probably violate the terms of my probation.
[10:44] <Drel> ;)
[10:45] <LeeColleton> Drel: even if they were small rockets?
[10:45] <racingcamel> After running that command it return that nothing was changed and 27 were not upgraded
[10:46] <kroon> Axiont, hawke_ , you guys were right, audacity seems really nice 8)
[10:46] <mete> do you have a laptop?
[10:46] <cr4z3d> yeah i am going to use audacity for my band to record from a mixer
[10:46] <Haukkari> Everyone has a laptop nowadays .:/
[10:46] <racingcamel> yes
[10:46] <racingcamel> I have a laptop
[10:46] <cr4z3d> that's what i'm trying to get linux to work on with my wg511 card
[10:47] <racingcamel> that card was fully recognized
[10:47] <racingcamel> the*
[10:47] <cr4z3d> that one?
[10:47] <racingcamel> no
[10:47] <LeeColleton> Haukkari: I disagree, I would say that far more people have a cell phone than a computer
[10:47] <cr4z3d> oh
[10:47] <Haukkari> LeeColleton: well, true
[10:47] <Loiosh> Especially in Korea
[10:47] <racingcamel> it's onboard something to the order of wavelan 11b?
[10:47] <cr4z3d> what exactly is acpi=off
[10:48] <mete> well, I'm not an expert. That what you describe happened to me too and I just reinstalled ubuntu from CD with power and networkcable plugged in
[10:48] <racingcamel> can I reinstall without downloading updates and then enable them later through the gui
[10:48] <Loiosh> It disables the ACPI functions. That's basically ways the BIOS / linux assign IRQs to your PCI cards
[10:48] <mete> and now it is running
[10:48] <LordofKhemenu> cr4z3d: it disables the lid, fan, etc capabilities of acpi
[10:48] <Loiosh> And sleep modes for the hardware
[10:48] <Loiosh> Lots of other stuff.
[10:48] <Drel> I have a laptop with NVidia GeForce 2 Go chipset.  When I boot off the Ubuntu live cd, X windows doesn't start, the error log basically says that no valid video modes are available, yet the chipset was detected fine.  Any ideas what's wrong?
[10:48] <LordofKhemenu> yer laptop cpu could get nice n hot
[10:48] <racingcamel> mete: does your wlan card work now?
[10:48] <cr4z3d> it doesn't shut down the slot you plug wireless cards into right?
[10:49] <cr4z3d> with acpi off?
[10:49] <LeeColleton> cr4z3d: it turns off the kernel's Advanced Configuration & Power Interface
[10:49] <cr4z3d> how do you turn it back on once booted
[10:49] <mete> no, not yet
[10:49] <cr4z3d> cuz i only need it off when booting
[10:49] <mete> I have an icon for it, but it cannot detect the device
[10:49] <LeeColleton> has to do with battery, cpu temperature and power usage
[10:49] <racingcamel> ok
[10:49] <Loiosh> It does not disable the slot, FYI.
[10:49] <cr4z3d> good
[10:49] <Slackman> guys, having trouble with my laptop sleeping . I have 2.6.10-4-powerpc but occasionally it still doesn't wake up
[10:49] <cr4z3d> does it stay off just during boot?
[10:49] <bronson> Wow.  Make sure nobody's using openoffice.org-gnomevfs.  It's buggy, and just ruined about 4 hours of work.  :(
[10:50] <djmt> exit
[10:50] <Slackman> bronson: you don't have autosave on/
[10:50] <mete> so is there anyone, who could successfully install libgtk2.0-dev?
[10:50] <bronson> Time to reboot...
[10:50] <bronson> I did!
[10:50] <racingcamel> can i download the hoary release anywhere. maybe it will be fixed there?
[10:50] <bronson> It didn't, because gnomevfs was messed up.
[10:50] <Slackman> bronson: grab the ~file then
[10:50] <bronson> Slackman: there is no file.
[10:50] <Loiosh> Was wondering that myself, Bronson =)
[10:50] <bronson> The directory was I was working in is totally empty.
[10:50] <LeeColleton> mete, it's in my sources list if you want that
[10:50] <bronson> Trust me: it's bad, bad juju.
[10:51] <mete> LeeColleton, yes please:)
[10:51] <bronson> Apparently OO.o thoought it was saving the whole time, but some VFS incompatibility prevented that from ever happening.
[10:51] <mete> I'd like to compile wxWidgets2.5.3 with gtk2
[10:51] <bronson> Then, when I tried to actually save, it hungh.
[10:51] <Drel> bronson: Sure you have write access to that directory?
[10:51] <bronson> *hung.
[10:51] <bronson> Of course.
[10:52] <Yomic> How can I setup a DSL USB device?
[10:53] <racingcamel> what are some good linux cpp compilers?
[10:53] <Yomic> It is the Netopia 802.11b WLAN UBS ADAPTER
[10:54] <ompaul> racingcamel, g++ ?
[10:54] <ompaul> racingcamel, and the other one g++ :)
[10:54] <cr4z3d> um.. i have a question what's ubuntu's default root password? i don't remember entering one
[10:54] <Yomic> There isn't one
[10:54] <ompaul> cr4z3d, it is yours - it does not have one :)
[10:55] <cr4z3d> you sure?
[10:55] <hawke_> cr4z3d: There isn't one, sudo is the only way to becomre root
[10:55] <cr4z3d> cuz i tried mine
[10:55] <cr4z3d> oh
[10:55] <ompaul> cr4z3d, yes
[10:55] <Yomic> just use 'sudo' for root commands
[10:55] <hawke_> cr4z3d: you can enable the root account if you really want to, but sudo is generally considered more secure.
[10:55] <Loiosh> I couldn't get Knoppix or U to pick up on my wireless USB card, Yomic
[10:56] <Loiosh> I don't know if there are drivers for it yet.
[10:56] <LordofKhemenu> hawke: i remember setting a root password during install of hoary
[10:56] <cr4z3d> uhhh
[10:56] <cr4z3d> it still asked for password
[10:56] <cr4z3d> with sudo
[10:56] <hawke_> If only Gnome/Ubuntu's user manager had an option to choose whether a user had admin. access.
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> Loiosh: you may need ndiswrapper drivers
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> cr4z3d: yes, your password.
[10:56] <cr4z3d> nm i got it
[10:56] <cr4z3d> yeah
[10:56] <hawke_> a la Macintosh
[10:56] <Yomic> So, anyone know how t setup the Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter (DSL)?
[10:56] <LordofKhemenu> you can set up the sudoers file so you don't have to enter a password
[10:56] <LeeColleton> LordofKhemenu: normally the root account is disabled, the password you were asked for was that of the first user
[10:57] <hawke_> LordofKhemenu: but you shouldn't. ;-)
[10:57] <LordofKhemenu> hehe
[10:57] <sri> has anybody had problems with gnome-cd erroring outdue to permissions on the cdrom device?
[10:57] <LordofKhemenu> maybe it was the user password..i was at that stage about 2 am, so who knows..
[10:57] <Coily> ive been having problems with my router killing my connection every so often, is there a simple way to keep track of my connection uptime
[10:57] <cr4z3d> ok now how do i edit the grub loader
[10:57] <LeeColleton> the first user is automatically entered in /etc/sudoers as "username      ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[10:57] <sri> even though my /dev/hdc is set to rw-rw-rw I get drive error
[10:58] <sri> and worse, I can't eject either unless i do sudo eject
[10:58] <sri> running 2.6.10-3
[10:58] <Coily> besides continuously pinging my router =[
[10:58] <sri> any ideas?
[10:58] <Loiosh> Well, the .conf file is /etc/grub.conf
[10:58] <sri> is 2.6.10-4 stable?
[10:58] <hawke_> Loiosh: No it's not.
[10:58] <Loiosh> But, changing the startup line is.. that I don't know.
[10:58] <bluefoxicy> Any window-in-window xdmcp clients
[10:58] <hawke_> Loiosh: It's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:59] <Loiosh> Oh, hehe!
[10:59] <bluefoxicy> er
[10:59] <bluefoxicy> I want to run X
[10:59] <bluefoxicy> and run an xdmcp client inside
[10:59] <bluefoxicy> like an xnest GDM chooser
[10:59] <hawke_> Loiosh: Gento has a symlink for that
[10:59] <Loiosh> Wow, look at that
[10:59] <Loiosh> I wonder if rh does too
[10:59] <hawke_> Loiosh: Could be.
[10:59] <LeeColleton> so I've got an odd screenshot:  I was watching a fullscreen video with mplayer 1.0pre6-3.3.4 (compiled from source) and I switched to another desktop to open the astronomy picture of the day in firefox.  This was the result http://www.speakeasy.org/~lcolleton/mplayer-firefox-interference.png
[10:59] <Loiosh> Yup, it is
[11:00] <Loiosh> Is there any reason that is done? Other than making things easier?
[11:00] <hawke_> Loiosh: The symlink is there just to make it easier.
[11:00] <Loiosh> Ok, hehe
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> LeeColleton: that's highly likely to be your video card driver
[11:00] <hawke_> Loiosh: The /boot/grub/menu.lst is there for cases of a separate /boot partition
[11:01] <JimBunderfeld> I need help I installed my nVidia card drivers but my LCD monitor is soppouse to be 1280x1024 and Ubuntu wont let me go over 1024x780
[11:01] <EndGame> my wireless usb adaptor wasnt detected by setup, will i get a chance to compile it into the kernel?
[11:01] <hawke_> Loiosh: Not necessarily.  It's there regardless, but it's there just in case it's a separate partition.
[11:01] <LeeColleton> HrdwrBoB: it's never done that before.  I recently changed some keybindings but I didn't hit any of those keys.. I don't think..
[11:01] <Loiosh> Well, it's how -I- am setup =)
[11:02] <Madeye> guys my print screen button is not working, and its enabled on keyboard shortcuts, any idea?
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> LeeColleton: strange
[11:02] <cr4z3d> ok so acpi like makes the fan work right? cuz it seems like my cpu is heating up a lot and i have acpi=off for the boot thing.. does it turn back on once finished booting?
[11:02] <bwlang> i'm considering whether or not to attempt a "crossgrade" from debian (sarge) to ubuntu... any opinions on whether this is a good idea or not?
[11:02] <hawke_> Loiosh: Hehe, and it's pretty common.
[11:02] <LeeColleton> JimBunderfeld: you need to put some lines into /etc/X11/xorg.conf for vertical and horizontal sync
[11:02] <hawke_> bwlang: I've had mixed success
[11:02] <JimBunderfeld> ok..
[11:02] <LeeColleton> what kind of video card do you have?
[11:02] <JimBunderfeld> what i put in lee
[11:02] <EndGame> Madeye, i though the printsceen button was a myth, a apendex, tonsels, i didnt know anyone really used it
[11:02] <hawke_> bwlang: It seems to work OK.
[11:03] <bwlang> hawke_ : any data loss? i'm willing to deal with some manual dpkging
[11:03] <Coily> is there a simple tool to keep track of my 1)connection to my router 2) connection to internet. my router has been going out recently and i need to keep track of when and for how long etc
[11:03] <EndGame> Coily, ifconfig
[11:03] <EndGame> er
[11:03] <EndGame> wait
[11:03] <EndGame> noppe, that wouldnt do it
[11:03] <Coily> ?
[11:03] <Coily> =[
[11:03] <Axiont> Coily: try iptraf
[11:03] <hawke_> bwlang: Shouldn't be any data loss, no.  I've found user config files to be a bit .. confused occasionally.
[11:03] <Madeye> EndGame, hey you gameOver, dont wate your time in making fun
[11:03] <Coily> well it needs to be something that can run when im away from my computer
[11:04] <Loiosh> I was told it was just sound design
[11:04] <hawke_> bwlang: e.g. extraneous stuff showing up in applications menu, that kinda thing.
[11:04] <LeeColleton> JimBunderfeld: I have "HorizSync       28-49" and "VertRefresh     43-72"
[11:04] <Faustus> hi
[11:04] <Coily> and can point out when my connection went down
[11:04] <EndGame> what'd i do?
[11:04] <bwlang> hawke_: so if i go with a fresh home dir i should be good...
[11:04] <Loiosh> So I did that and /var and / and a few others
[11:04] <LeeColleton> but I've got a 1024x768 display
[11:04] <caseymorring> hey im a total noob...i was wondering if there is a C++ compiler in ubuntu
[11:04] <hawke_> Coily: Another thing to try would be mrtg..
[11:04] <EndGame> the printscreen crack
[11:04] <Loiosh> I believe gcc is that, casey?
[11:04] <hawke_> bwlang: Yeah.
[11:04] <EndGame> im sorry if i offended you
[11:04] <EndGame> :-)
[11:04] <LeeColleton> that goes in the section "Monitor"
[11:04] <hawke_> caseymorring: Yes.
[11:04] <Coily> looking into it
[11:04] <hawke_> caseymorring: g++
[11:05] <caseymorring> how do you get to the compiler?
[11:05] <hawke_> Coily: It's a bit intimidating to set up, but it's easier than it seems at first.
[11:05] <hawke_> caseymorring: command line, 'g++'
[11:05] <Coily> alrighty
[11:05] <LeeColleton> caseymorring: you need to run "apt-get install build-essential"
[11:05] <Loiosh> The compiler you can run at any time with a command. If you're looking for a development enviroment.. then you'll looking for something a little different.
[11:06] <LeeColleton> caseymorring: I mean "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[11:06] <s1x> lo all
[11:06] <knoppix> lo
[11:07] <EndGame> to answer your question, Madeye, are you sure you're using the right keymap
[11:07] <airox> hi
[11:07] <Madeye> EndGame, well I need to enable it to be able to get some screen shorts while browsing some WEB menus
[11:07] <s1x> anyone knows why ubuntu started ignoring my printer? there is a /dev/usb/lp0 but when i try to add it it says it's not connected
[11:07] <knoppix> hey guys, how do i burn an iso to a cd
[11:07] <LeeColleton> s1x: because it's unplugged?
[11:07] <hawke_> s1x: does unplugging it and re-plugging it help?
[11:07] <s1x> and it's present in device manager, and yes I have installed it before (on this installation)
[11:07] <s1x> LeeColleton: how come devicemanagerfinds it?
[11:08] <hawke_> knoppix: With a CD burner app
[11:08] <Madeye> EndGame,  keymap, a new concept to me, mind waste few minutes in shooting my trouble ?
[11:08] <s1x> hawke: no, nor restarting cupsys
[11:08] <knoppix> from the command line?
[11:08] <Loiosh> Shooting my trouble, LoL
[11:08] <airox> When I installed ubuntu, I can't login on gdm with my user account.
[11:08] <EndGame> you keymap is how linux interprets the keys you press
[11:08] <airox> What could be the problem ?
[11:08] <Loiosh> I like that.
[11:08] <LeeColleton> airox: CapsLock?
[11:08] <Madeye> EndGame,  How to check if I'm using the proper keymap?
[11:09] <EndGame> im assuming the problem arrises when you're running X
[11:09] <hawke_> s1x: does 'dmesg' say anything (at the end) about finding a printer?
[11:09] <EndGame> um
[11:09] <EndGame> hold on
[11:09] <EndGame> ill check
[11:09] <airox> LeeColleton: Nope.
[11:09] <s1x> hawke_: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 2
[11:09] <s1x> drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x3F11
[11:09] <LeeColleton> airox: you're suddenly not able to log in?
[11:09] <airox> LeeColleton: After installation that is.
[11:09] <LeeColleton> s1x: try removing the printer spool and adding it again
[11:10] <hawke_> Madeye: 'setxkbmap -print'
[11:10] <s1x> LeeColleton: what is that?
[11:10] <EndGame> and hawke makes the catch out in left field
[11:10] <EndGame> good one
[11:10] <EndGame> :-)
[11:10] <LeeColleton> under Administration > Printing
[11:10] <LeeColleton> the gnome print manager
[11:10] <Madeye> hawke,  can I paste the result here?
[11:10] <hawke_> EndGame: I only remembered because I was working with it just now, to turn on the compose:ralt option
[11:10] <s1x> LeeColleton: there's no printer there, and it doesn't find any
[11:10] <hawke_> Madeye: Maybe better in a /msg
[11:10] <hawke_> Madeye: To Endgame and myself.
[11:11] <mete> hm, does anyone know where to get libgtkgl2.0-dev
[11:11] <Madeye> ok, done
[11:11] <LeeColleton> ah, I misunderstood.  I thought you meant it suddenly started ignoring your printer.  You've never printed from this one?
[11:12] <StoffBox-Steve> args help someone have a nice and usefull link for a Kernel 2.6. config howto ?  google drive me crazy :S
[11:12] <bob2> mete: the gtk gl stuff isn't in that package
[11:12] <s1x> i'm trying now a desperate "sudo apt-get remove foomatic-db libijs-0.35 libijs-dev cupsys
[11:12] <airox> LeeColleton: Could I log in with recovery mode and add another user with `adduser` to login into gdm ?
[11:12] <Faustus> anyone havving problems printing jpegs from gimp?
[11:12] <Loiosh> strange ctcp command there.
[11:12] <airox> Over here to.
[11:12] <hawke_> Loiosh: Aye.
[11:12] <Loiosh> face get?
[11:13] <Loiosh> LoL
[11:13] <airox> hehe
[11:13] <Faustus> or anything,  tried png and nothing.  IT prinnts from other apps.
[11:13] <LeeColleton> airox: yes, gdm registers the same users that the console login prompt does
[11:13] <robodex> Hey, anyone know of any howtos on installing kqemu? I'm a total noob and I can't get it set up for the life of me...
[11:13] <airox> LeeColleton: good.
[11:13] <bob2> rgtgr: please go away
[11:13] <Loiosh> Oh
[11:13] <Loiosh> OsX, heh
[11:13] <airox> Then I will try it.
[11:13] <kent> rgtgr, ctcp on you to
[11:13] <LeeColleton> just remember, you won't be in the sudoers group by default
[11:13] <airox> hmm
[11:13] <Loiosh> I guess the program is looking for icons of some kind?
[11:13] <airox> that's something i can fix
[11:13] <airox> no problem
[11:13] <caseymorring> ok ...again...im a total noob...i did apt-get install build-essential...now how do i open it?
[11:13] <rgtgr> sorry
[11:13] <bob2> robodex: you'll need to follow the instructions on the qemu website, and compile it yourself
[11:13] <airox> thanks LeeColleton !
[11:13] <bob2> since no one can actually distribute it
[11:14] <LeeColleton> airox: you could also run passwd on your existing user account as root
[11:14] <airox> ok
[11:14] <airox> i get the point :)
[11:14] <robodex> bob2: I did that, though, but the module doesn't install... according to the instructions I just need it in the qemu source directory and it'll install, but it doesn't
[11:14] <Coily> hawke_, oh my mrtg has me frightened
[11:14] <hawke_> Coily: Hehe...
[11:15] <bob2> robodex: you need to do more than that
[11:15] <bob2> but Id be really wary of loading random binary stuff into your kernel
[11:15] <EndGame> i need to tweak my kernel, but the sources are not in /usr/src/
[11:15] <EndGame> where does ubuntu keep the kernel sources?
[11:15] <robodex> bob2: I just want the accelerator installed
[11:16] <mete> caseymorring: what do you want to open? now you have gcc, etc.
[11:16] <cr4z3d> what's irq 11: nobody cared!
[11:16] <cr4z3d> handlers:
[11:16] <cr4z3d> blah blah
[11:16] <cr4z3d> disabling IRQ #11
[11:16] <caseymorring> im trying to start learning C++, trying to write my first program
[11:16] <cr4z3d> eht0: device soft reset time out
[11:16] <httpdss> im having problems running gksudo apps from the last update i did .. any idea ??
[11:17] <caseymorring> i need a compiler to write in, i think
[11:17] <bwlang> caseymorring: i recommend another language...
[11:17] <Loiosh> You're looking for an 'IDE' Casey
[11:17] <Loiosh> Interactive Development Enviroment.
[11:17] <caseymorring> how do i find that?
[11:17] <Loiosh> Writing C++ in vi is.. painful.
[11:17] <httpdss> casey: eclipse
[11:17] <Loiosh> Eclipse is a very very big ide =)
[11:18] <caseymorring> do i apt-get eclipse?
[11:18] <bob2> robodex: maybe the instrucions are wrong then, try emailing the qemu list
[11:18] <Faustus> solved it.  I had to reselt the model from the print dialog even though it was already selected.  Funny
[11:19] <httpdss> mm nope .. http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:19] <Loiosh> I couldn't tell ya, Casey =(
[11:19] <Welly> hey all.. is there ANY possible way I can install ubuntu from a hard drive rather than an optical drive?
[11:19] <httpdss> casey: that link was for you
[11:19] <caseymorring> k thanks
[11:20] <cr4z3d> message from syslogd@localhost at mon blah nlha ... local host kernel: disabling irq # 11
[11:20] <cr4z3d> what's that mean?
[11:20] <httpdss> casey: wrong link:P    http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE
[11:21] <Loiosh> I was wondering, LoL
[11:21] <EndGame> um
[11:21] <s1x> when I try to install a driver there is nothing on the driver list and this error message appears: ** (gnome-cups-add:9282): WARNING **: Unable to load the set of known printers.  Please check your installation of cups
[11:21] <EndGame> the setup never asked me to set a root password
[11:21] <EndGame> just make a user
[11:21] <caseymorring> what link is mine?
[11:21] <EndGame> and now i cant get into root
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> EndGame: correct
[11:21] <EndGame> wtf
[11:21] <thoreauputic> EndGame: sudo -s
[11:21] <Welly> anyone?
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> EndGame: run commands as root usind 'sudo'
[11:21] <httpdss> casey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> put in your password
[11:21] <hawke_> EndGame: you can only get into root via sudo from that user that you set up
[11:21] <caseymorring> k got it
[11:21] <EndGame> wow
[11:22] <EndGame> thats special
[11:22] <s1x> any aideas on why my printers database is empty?
[11:22] <Loiosh> It's part of the design =)
[11:22] <httpdss> casey: after you install that .. get the CDT plugin
[11:22] <Welly> :(
[11:23] <caseymorring> ok
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Welly: I'm sure there's a way
[11:23] <EndGame> next question
[11:23] <EndGame> i need to recompile my kernel
[11:23] <Welly> if there is i can't find one..
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Welly: I just don't know...
[11:24] <Welly> heh heh.. yeah, likewise
[11:24] <bob2> EndGame: why?
[11:24] <EndGame> because the install didnt detect my wireless card
[11:24] <thoreauputic> mounting the iso with the loop option I think...
[11:24] <bob2> EndGame: that doesn't require a recompile
[11:24] <bob2> EndGame: what sort of card is it?
[11:24] <Welly> i've burnt about 4 copies of the ISO on different cd writers and i'm continually getting errors and can't install :(
[11:25] <EndGame> usb dlink
[11:25] <s1x> running gnome-cups-manager says it can't comunicate with cups. Any ideas why?
[11:25] <EndGame> how can i get it working?
[11:25] <Welly> i can't boot off my external usb cd rom drive so i'm going to have to install from the hard drive somehow
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Welly: what burning program ?
[11:25] <Welly> been using nero
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Welly: burn as image
[11:26] <Welly> yep, thats that i've done
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Welly: you sure you chose the right option?
[11:26] <Welly> i think so.. i'm not sure what other options there are
[11:27] <s1x> humpf.... pls someone help me :( my printer just "disappeared". It's a printer-scanner and the scanner is working like a charm. so it's not a usb problem. It might be a cups problem. Any ideas on how to try and find what's wrong?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Welly: I don't know nero, but I know burning coasters instead of ISOs is *really* easy on windows ;-)
[11:28] <bob2> EndGame: which driver does it use?
[11:28] <EndGame> i dont know
[11:28] <mete> bye
[11:28] <EndGame> its not mine
[11:28] <knoppix> hey guys, which cd iso should i use
[11:28] <knoppix> for unbuntu
[11:28] <Loiosh> Someone suggested something earlier to me...
[11:28] <Loiosh> some kind of wrapper
[11:29] <knoppix> should i use a warty
[11:29] <knoppix> ?
[11:29] <bob2> knoppix: yes
[11:29] <thoreauputic> knoppix: if you need to ask , then probably yes :)
[11:29] <jk> if you like the stable release, yes, warty
[11:29] <cr4z3d> how come my netgear wg511 card worked during installation but not anymore?
 Loiosh: you may need ndiswrapper drivers
[11:29] <Loiosh> There we are
[11:29] <jk> cr4z3d: works fine here
[11:30] <cr4z3d> how'd you get it to work?
[11:30] <jk> well, wg511t that is
[11:30] <Loiosh> I have no idea if that'll help you, End =)
[11:30] <jk> cr4z3d: just worked; modules are loaded, and i have a little script to configure the wep key and dhclient
[11:30] <jk> cr4z3d: if you don't use WEP, try dhclient ath0
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> ndiswrapper aloows you to use windows drivers for your network cards
[11:31] <cr4z3d> hmm can you explain me that stuff later i must be off for now i'll be back like 20 minutes
[11:31] <cr4z3d> i don't use wep
[11:31] <jk> cr4z3d: well, it's 23:31 here by now, so i'll prolly be in bed by then
[11:31] <Loiosh> Oh well
[11:31] <cr4z3d> damn
[11:31] <cr4z3d> can you just pm me the steps?
[11:31] <jk> sure
[11:31] <knoppix> if i have warty, can i update it to all the new items in horay?
[11:32] <knoppix> or at least update it to the newest security versions
[11:32] <jk> knoppix: both is possible
[11:32] <jk> of course
[11:32] <knoppix> goood
[11:34] <thoreauputic> knoppix: read the FAQ (URL is in the channel topic)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> knoppix: lots of good info in all those URLs in fact
[11:36] <Ubuntian> just tried to mount an ext3fs partition that i use in another disto (mandrake) but shell says: ext3fs not supported with kernel (?)
[11:37] <ompaul> thoreauputic, that could be classified as useful information, being passed on in a reasonable way, your ubuntu is nearly back on an even keel :)
[11:37] <Loiosh> The wiki's very nice as well
[11:37] <thoreauputic> ompaul: hehe.. I guess I got some sleep ;)
[11:38] <racingcamel> im am trying to install vlc but I need to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file which is root. How do I edit this file?
[11:38] <cr4z3d> hmm.. i think i need acpi enabled.. cuz my laptop seems to over heat and shut itself off after being on for about 10 minutes with ubuntu
[11:38] <Amaranth> racingcamel: sudo
[11:38] <Loiosh> Yeah, disabling ACPI will disable the heat management features
[11:39] <thoreauputic> racingcamel: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:39] <cr4z3d> how do i turn it on without fucking up the boot?
[11:39] <Loiosh> That I do not know =( You could try ACPI off with APM on
[11:39] <lavigj> hey guys, is there a good guide or method for telling just one package to pull from hoary?
[11:39] <Loiosh> I don't know if that'll help though
[11:40] <cr4z3d> apm on
[11:40] <cr4z3d> hmm
[11:40] <cr4z3d> would that be apm=on
[11:40] <cr4z3d> for the boot loader?
[11:40] <Odin2347> hi
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> acpi=off
[11:40] <Odin2347> which version of ubuntu would you guys recommend i install?
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> or noacpi I think
[11:40] <Odin2347> do any of them come with madwifi?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> cr4z3d: to load apm you can just put  the letters  apm in /etc/modules
[11:41] <apokryphos> Odin2347: hoary
[11:41] <cr4z3d> i did that
[11:41] <cr4z3d> but it still over heated and shut down
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: it won't work if acpi is in use
[11:41] <Ubuntian> lavigj did u look at http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:41] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: OK
[11:41] <OrangeSlice> my /dev/sde2 seems to have... vanished
[11:41] <Loiosh> He has ACPI disabled, B =)
[11:41] <cr4z3d> and acpi=off on boot
[11:41] <Odin2347> hoary comes with madwifi>?
[11:41] <lavigj> Ubuntian: is there one on there? I do not want to switch everything to hoary
[11:41] <Loiosh> It was causing him crasher earlier this morning, hehe
[11:42] <cr4z3d> yes haha
[11:42] <apokryphos> Odin2347: I have no idea what that is
[11:42] <Ubuntian> have a look u might find it, the guide isn't big
[11:43] <Odin2347> argh
[11:43] <Odin2347> they're new wifi drivers for atheros cards
[11:43] <lavigj> Ubuntian: I have used that site a lot. I will look again though
[11:43] <Odin2347> someone told me the other day it came with it...
[11:43] <Odin2347> i need them for my wireless card to work right
[11:43] <StoffBox-Steve> args, this day sucks ..... *grrrrrrrrrR*
[11:43] <apokryphos> Odin2347: It probably does then; I don't know.
[11:43] <lavigj> Ubuntian: all I see there is a system wide upgrade to hoary
[11:44] <lavigj> that's *not* what I am after... I just need a newer version of libsdl
[11:47] <lavigj> I have tried an apt-get -s source --compile libsd1.2debian-oss but I don't know what version that's going to be
[11:48] <lavigj> is there a way to check what source will be pulled for that?
[11:48] <mdke> is it not possible to edit menus in hoary at the moment? I want to add nvu as per the guide on ubuntuguide.org
[11:50] <hawke_> mdke: I believe it is not.
[11:50] <ernstp> hello. any ubuntu devs here?
[11:50] <hawke_> mdke: And that that is a known problem.
[11:50] <waseem> hi how do i change my root password
[11:50] <ernstp> just found a min bug in the update-manager
[11:50] <lavigj> anyone? :)
[11:50] <ernstp> waseem, sudo passwd
[11:50] <mdke> hawke, i'm sure if it wasn't possible it would be known :)
[11:50] <mdke> maybe its intentional
[11:50] <lavigj> waseem: why do you need to?
[11:50] <Odin2347> is hoary the latest release of ubuntu?
[11:51] <styx2005_> my wireless connection get lost after about 5 minutes. then i have to restart my machine. i use hoary. has anybody the same problem?
[11:51] <mdke> Odin2347, warty is the latest release
[11:51] <ernstp> Odin2347, hoary is not released yet
[11:51] <Odin2347> hmm
[11:51] <hawke_> mdke: well, I meant "known to be a problem" ... not known to be not-a-problem. :-p
[11:51] <Odin2347> then why did someone tell me to install hoary...
[11:51] <Odin2347> oh well
[11:52] <Odin2347> is there a KDE version??
[11:52] <Odin2347> im not too fond of Gnome
[11:52] <mdke> Odin2347, kde as with other software can be installed
[11:52] <Sander__> try #kubuntu
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: hoary is the development version
[11:52] <mdke> hawke, looks like nvu isn't working anyhow
[11:52] <mdke> :p
[11:53] <racingcame1> how do i install .jar files?
[11:53] <bascule> java -jar foo.jar
[11:53] <Odin2347> can i download hoary?
[11:53] <Odin2347> or only warty?
[11:53] <mdke> Odin2347, you can download both
[11:53] <ompaul> Odin2347, both
[11:53] <mdke> Odin2347, but you should use warty for now
[11:53] <ompaul> Odin2347, and both as live CDs
[11:53] <Odin2347> are there stability issues?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> hehe
[11:54] <Odin2347> or any problems
[11:54] <Loiosh> They're fluffy, Odin =)
[11:54] <mdke> Odin2347, yes
[11:54] <mairu> odin2347, hoary comes from hairy
[11:54] <robodex> when will shipit be open for hoary CDs?
[11:54] <Odin2347> hehe
[11:54] <Loiosh> =)~
[11:54] <meuserj|work> Odin2347, IMHO, if you dislike GNOME, Ubuntu isn't for you... there is support for KDE in hoary, but most development focuses on GNOME.
[11:54] <Odin2347> yea buit..
[11:54] <Odin2347> ubuntu is the only distro that actually recongnized my soundcard/wireless card
[11:54] <Loiosh> If you want to use it though, you can. It'll just take a bit more work =)
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Odin2347: if Hoary breaks "you get to keep *both* pieces" ;-)
[11:55] <lavigj> anyone in here familiar with apt::Default-release?
[11:55] <Odin2347> lol
[11:55] <jesus_> what ftp server should i use?
[11:55] <Loiosh> There's nothing wrong with wanting to use it.
[11:55] <ompaul> jesus_, the nearest one to you
[11:55] <scoon> Odin2347, what kind of cards do you have.
[11:55] <mdke> jesus_, what do you mean?
[11:55] <scoon> Odin2347, the recog'd of them is thru the linux kernel
[11:56] <ompaul> I must be tired I did not get the meaning that mdke did
[11:57] <mdke> ompaul, it is open to either
[11:57] <jesus_> well, i'm somewhat used to proftpd, but i see that there are 2 or 3 ftpservers supported by ubuntu
[11:57] <mdke> jesus_, ah.
[11:57] <AngryClip> does anyone know how I change which sound card ESD uses?
[11:57] <mdke> jesus_, i use proftpd
[11:57] <ompaul> mdke, well now there is a definition
[11:57] <mdke> lol
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> Hi
[11:57] <mdke> yep
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> I need a nested X display with GDM chooser in it
[11:57] <hawke_> mairu: I don't think hoary really does come from hairy...
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> "New Login" goes to another terminal and doesn't seem to offer the chooser
[11:57] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: it's installed by default
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> there's "new login in a nested window" on gentoo though
[11:58] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: on ubuntu as well
[11:58] <Odin2347> scoon i have a sounblaster live 24bit and a dlink g520 atheros chipset
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  what's the command?
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  not on ubuntu
[11:58] <mairu> hawke_: just having some fun :)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I have it right here in my menu
[11:58] <racingcame1> where can i find information on installing .bin files for system wide use
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic: apps->system tools->{network tools,new login,root terminal} here
[11:58] <AngryClip> Odin2347: I have that soundcard
[11:58] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, I agree.. I have it too
[11:58] <AngryClip> except mine is a usb one
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> I'm on hoary
[11:58] <scoon> Odin2347, well they are both pretty standard.
[11:58] <AngryClip> and most distros pick that up tbh
[11:59] <bluefoxicy> it's not in my menu and i didn't fuck with it.
[11:59] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, as am I
[11:59] <AngryClip> although I am not sure how to change which soundcard ESD uses
[11:59] <Loiosh> What version are you running, Blue?
[11:59] <hawke_> mairu: k
[11:59] <Odin2347> hmm
[11:59] <thoreauputic> Apps .. system tools... new login in nested window
[11:59] <scoon> Odin2347, I bet knoppix would have noticed them as well. and you'd be able to just install from the live cd.
[11:59] <AngryClip> so it is currently coming out of my laptops internal one
[11:59] <AngryClip> which is crap
[11:59] <Odin2347> scoon: kanotix picks up the soundcard but not the wireless
[12:00] <scoon> Odin2347, but I am a huge GNOME fan.  I don't like kde and that is why i use ubuntu