LoioshOdin, I believe.. lemme check12:00
Odin2347i didnt try knoppix12:00
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Odin2347check what?12:00
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scoonOdin2347, well with a little bit of google, you could get that wireless card working.12:00
lavigjanyone in here familiar with apt::Default-release?12:00
Loiosh/join #kUbuntu12:00
AngryClipanyone have any input at all about my problem?12:00
LoioshIt's the channel for KDE on Ubuntu12:00
hawke_lavigj: Somewhat, why?12:00
mdkeis it possible in gedit to open more than one document and NOT get them tabbed?12:00
AngryClipboth my sound cards work12:01
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AngryClipit's jsut I would like it to come out the other one as default12:01
lavigjhawke_: I was mostly just curious if there was a how to for setting it up or something like that. I found kind half instructions12:01
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bluefoxicyanyone know what i should do12:02
hawke_lavigj: There isn't much to set up12:02
scoonAngryClip, did you check ALSA's site or are you using OSS ?12:02
lavigjhawke_: hmm... ok12:02
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: here on warty, the nested login is in the menu12:02
hawke_lavigj: You can just set it to e.g. "testing" or "unstable" on Debian...or "hoary/warty" on Ubuntu12:02
bluefoxicywell it's not on mine12:02
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AngryClipscoon: I am using ESD, which I presume is using ALSA12:03
lavigjhawke_: actualy, i just found something in the preferences of synaptics12:03
bluefoxicyI have a desktop file for it12:03
bluefoxicy/usr/share/applications/gdmflexiserver-xnest.desktop:3:Name=New Login in a Nested Window12:03
AngryClipbut I do not know how to check12:03
bluefoxicybut it's not showing in the menu, at all.12:03
lavigjhawke_: is it possible to bounce back and forth?12:03
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: well, you can do Xnest -ac :1 & xterm -display :1 or something similar12:03
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scoonAngryClip, then check here for some help: http://www.alsa-project.org/12:04
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bluefoxicyi have a few things that aren't in the menu >(12:04
WWHello, world.12:04
hawke_lavigj: Probably not a good idea..12:04
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AngryClipscoon: do you know how I can check?12:04
lavigjhawke_: hmm... I really only need one package to be newer12:04
WWI need a crash course in VPN.12:04
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lavigjWW: what about it?12:05
WWMy employer disabled ssh, and said connections must now be via VPN.12:05
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LoioshThat's strange, Blue12:05
hawke_lavigj: Oh, then it's probably fine.12:05
scoonAngryClip, if you are using ubuntu then you are using alsa.12:05
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: see above - with the xterm in the new window you can probably type gnome-session or fluxbox or whatever12:05
hawke_lavigj: Assuming that one package doesn't pull in a bunch of other dependencies.12:05
WWI found out at 5:00 PM, so I wasn't able to ask them how to set up VPN.12:05
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: I do it that way all the time12:05
bluefoxicythoreauputic:  yeah but I want to log into ANOTHER machine12:05
LoioshWhat are you trying to do, Blue?12:05
lavigjhawke_: yeah. are you familiar with using it with synaptics at all>12:06
WWAll I have is the ip name.12:06
bluefoxicyLoiosh:  I have a gentoo machine here I want to log into, so I want to run gdm on it with xdmcp and log into it.12:06
ompaulWW OpenVPN is great for that, the only issue I ever found with it was people not setting the default route correctly12:06
lavigjWW: sorry, I have never set it up in linux12:06
hawke_lavigj: Not with synaptic, but I don't think it would be much different with apt-get12:06
LoioshAhhh, and that option is missing12:06
GarySavedI am currently using just Debian.  Will I lose my settings and such if I install ubuntu ?12:06
bluefoxicyLoiosh:  i've altered the gdm config file for chooser access12:06
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: ah Ok - well I usually do that with vnc or with ssh -X12:06
bluefoxicyLoiosh: but there's no xnest or anything12:06
bluefoxicythoreauputic:  Perhaps you don't understand the difference between vnc and xdmcp.12:07
_jon_GarySaved: if you install fresh, posibly, if you apt-get dist-upgrade you can save your settings12:07
bluefoxicythoreauputic:  xdmcp sends a bunch of control data encapsulated in the X protocol which is rendered into the screen, while vnc sends a screenshot every 40mS or so12:07
WWompaul: Thanks.  Do I need to be a networking wizard to configure OpenVPN?12:07
ompaulWW no12:07
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bluefoxicythoreauputic:  as a result, xdmcp is much faster, more responsive, and much less CPU intensive than vnc12:07
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: look, please don't tell me what I don't understand - you didn't make yourself clear in the first place12:07
WWompaul: Installing openvpn now...12:08
lavigjhawke_: either it didn't work... or there's no newer version. dang it12:08
bluefoxicythoreauputic:  you appeared to be suggesting that I use vnc instead of xdmcp12:08
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httpdsshow can i change gtk font size ?? (i tried gtk-theme-switch, but it doesnt work)12:08
hawke_lavigj: what package?12:08
GarySaved_jon_, I put my home directory tree on a seperate hard drive.12:08
LoioshYeah, I like xdmcp12:08
LoioshWe use.. xManager here though (Win machine -> linux)12:08
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: I didn't - I just said ehat I have used in an effort to be helpful12:08
lavigjhawke_: libsdl... many video tools want better than I have12:08
_jon_GarySaved: not all your preferences are stored in your home foler12:08
bluefoxicyLoiosh:  then of course the trick becomes getting a gdm chooser to work in an xnest window :P12:08
ellsis anyone familiar on how to set up a network to share between my linux box and my windows machine12:08
WWHmmm... that's not very Ubuntu-like.  Installing openvpn from synaptic brings up an interactive text screen.12:08
bluefoxicythoreauputic: *shrug*12:09
ompaulWW read the docs on the OpenVPN site they will explain it all a lot better than I can in an irc package. you must have the same ips available all the time and do not have the same ips in use on the "far ends" of the links12:09
hawke_lavigj: 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-3ubuntu4 is the latest in Ubuntu12:09
bluefoxicywhat the hell12:09
lavigjhawke_: then I guess I didn't do it right12:09
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bluefoxicyxnest and Xnest are not valid commands on ubuntu?12:09
WWompaul: Thanks.  I'll take a look.12:09
waseemhi how do i make it so that when i double click on a folder it doesnt open up a new window?12:09
hawke_lavigj: chances are that will pull in a bunch of hoary dependencies though12:10
underlordi just installed the apache2 package, the server is running, but where are the config files stored on ubuntu?12:10
ellsAgain, is anyone familiar on how to set up a network to share between my linux box and my windows machine12:10
bluefoxicy  __ Opt x11      xnest        <none>      6.8.1-1ubun nested X server12:10
ompaulWW the test when you are done is to ping machines on the far network and ssh into them with their "192" [if that is the range you are using]  but it is crucial that the default route is set or all sorts of things will be very very broken12:10
bluefoxicyapparently xnest doesn't come by default!12:10
shockanyone here pro @ ssh-port-forwarding for amule behind a router?12:10
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: if you're interested in performance you might look at freenx and nomachine12:10
bluefoxicy *** Opt base     ubuntu-deskt 0.34        0.34        The Ubuntu desktop system12:10
ompaulright so I am off to bed12:10
bluefoxicyor at least ubuntu-desktop doesn't want it.12:10
bluefoxicythoreauputic:  I'm looking at Xen ATM12:11
hawke_lavigj: basically, all you need to do is change all instances of warty to hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install libsdl1.2debian, and change hoary back to warty.12:11
lavigjhawke_: this is the one thing I don't like about ubuntu. on gentoo I just unmasked it and had pretty much bleeding edge, just for that package12:11
lavigjhawke_: yeah12:11
waseemhi how do i make it so that when i double click on a folder it doesnt open up a new window?12:11
hawke_lavigj: yeah, source-based distros handle mixing stuff like that a lot better.  that's one of their advantages.12:11
hawke_waseem: For one folder, you can hold down shift as you double click12:12
ellsI am trying to share files between my linux box and my windows machine, is anyone familiar with how to set this up12:12
waseemhawke: thanks i appreciate the help12:12
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lavigjhawke_: aye. precompiled binaries are nice though :)12:12
hawke_waseem: There's a way to do it all the time too12:12
bluefoxicywaseem:  system->preferences->file managment, behavior, always open windows in a browser12:12
hawke_waseem: But I can't remember it.12:12
PoofyStole my nickname! -pout-12:12
lavigjhawke_: sweet!!! no added deps12:13
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cr4z3dwhat is irq 11?12:13
hawke_lavigj: cool12:13
waseembluefoxicy: thanks12:13
GarySaved_jon_, So that would be 'apt-get ubuntu -upgrade' ?12:13
GarySavedI downloaded the ubuntu live CD image.  Should I boot to that, and work from there?12:13
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basculeIRQ 11 us the eleventh Interrupt Request12:14
basculea processor has 1612:14
cr4z3dhmm i get an error about that12:14
cr4z3dwhen the networking interface is being setup on boot12:14
basculesomething abou nobody listening?12:14
bascules OK12:14
basculeapic is just being weird12:15
cr4z3di thought i turned that off12:15
cr4z3dand apm on12:15
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cr4z3dso that it wouldn't over heat12:15
hawke_cr4z3d: You sure you're not thinking of acpi?12:15
hawke_cr4z3d: acpi != apic12:15
cr4z3dwhat's the difference?12:15
hawke_acpi == advanced configuration and power interface12:15
hawke_apic = advanced programmable interrupt controller12:15
cr4z3dshould i turn that off too?12:16
cr4z3dcuz i had that off before with noapic or something12:16
hawke_Only if it's causing problems, I'd say.12:16
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WWDoes Ubuntu use "devfs"?  I'm installing openvpn, and the installer want to know if I want to create a TUN/TAP device.  It says I should refuse if I am using devfs.12:18
cjhow much memory should I have in a 333 PIII if I want to run ubuntu on it?12:18
cjWW: ls /dev/12:18
bascule256 is comfortable 128 is tight, some would say not enpugh12:18
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cjbascule: thank you.12:18
cjbascule: I can tell you that 64 is painful.12:18
mjrWW, no, ubuntu uses udev12:19
basculeyes it will be12:19
bluefoxicyalright this is crazy.12:19
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cr4z3dhmm.. i can't get my wireless card to work on ubuntu.. but it worked during the installation what's up with that?12:19
spaceyif you have 128 you should use a different window windowmanager12:19
bluefoxicybluefox@icebox:~$ DISPLAY=:20 gdmchooser12:19
bluefoxicyAUDIT: Mon Feb 28 18:19:18 2005: 9696 Xnest: client 1 rejected from local host12:19
bluefoxicyXlib: connection to ":20.0" refused by server12:19
spaceycj, you can try icewm with 64mb mem12:19
bluefoxicyI can't open a connection to an X server I own12:19
WWmjr: Thanks.12:19
cjbascule: how's 160? :)12:19
cjhmm.. maybe I should just go for 25612:19
basculecool enough I would say12:19
mjrya, with 128 megs you might want to use eg. xfce4 instead of gnome12:20
WWcj: What should I learn from ls /dev/?12:20
basculecj go 256 if you can12:20
cjWW: if there are a lot of entries, you've got a static dev list12:20
cjWW: but I don't know too much about it, so ignore me :)12:20
WWDoes that answer the question about using "devfs"?12:20
WWcj: Ah, ok.12:20
cjWW: mostly.  few entries means either udev or devfs12:20
cjlots means static12:21
cjif I understand it, that is.  which I might not.12:21
cr4z3der.. how do you get acpi to work.. my laptop keeps over heating12:21
lavigjdang it... why would you call a dependency that the distro doesn't have12:21
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racingcamelhow do I install java, I added the multiverse but i get an error when attempting to apt it12:24
thoreauputicracingcamel: http://ubuntuguide.org  has a section on installing java12:24
lavigjcan someone please explain why a program would have a dependency that is not even availible yet in hoary? this seems very odd to me12:25
sicdoes it talk about how the sym link is broke?12:25
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cr4z3dhey where can i get the hoary version of ubuntu?12:26
bluefoxicyoh this sucks.12:26
bluefoxicyI can't run the chooser because when i click it it closes the xnest window.12:26
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: have you tried asking on the ubuntu users mailing list? I'm sure someone would know12:27
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bluefoxicyI should subscribe one day but I'm not12:27
thoreauputicor do a search on the archive12:27
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lavigjhas anyone here managed to install transcode?12:28
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tritiumlavigj, yes12:28
lavigjtritium: how? I keep getting numerous unresolvable dependencies12:29
YomicAnyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?12:29
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: I saw a couple of recnt threads about xdmcp12:29
tritiumlavigj, added ftp.nerim.net repository, and apt-get install, and then apt-get installed it12:29
bluefoxicyabout the chooser shutting down when clicked?12:29
lavigjtritium: hmm... ok. I will try that I guess.12:29
tritiumapt-get update, I meant, then installed it12:29
lavigjI have the nerim repositiry12:29
tritiumlavigj, I'm using Hoary.12:30
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: I don't think you have to subscribe to send a question - could be wrong on that though12:30
lavigjtritium: shoot... hopefully it will work12:30
tritiumI believe it should12:30
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lavigjtritium: and I get the same error synaptics was giving me12:31
thoreauputicbluefoxicy: I think you could ask to be CC ed12:31
lavigjtritium: I even tried it with hoary sources and it won't go12:31
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mseneyI would just like to say that the guys doing the Ubuntu Updates are awesome. I just installed the 44 new ones on Hoary and it fixed my Sound Juicer and also my system sound even sounds better. Big Thanks!!!12:31
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tritiumlavigj, one moment...12:31
lavigjtritium: is i looking for libdvdread2, which has been superceded by 3 I think, and then a liborbis version that I can't seem to find12:32
tritiumlavigj, the dependencies I see are for libdvdread312:33
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paulsubunt1Do you think the Hoary updates will have the plugins needed for the Totem Movie Player?12:33
lavigjtritium: I wonder why it is looking for dvdread2....12:34
mseneypaulsubunt1, not sure bud. brb12:34
siggletlavigj: warty has them12:34
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siggletapt-get them12:34
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lavigjsigglet: warty doesn't have libdvdread2, it has libdvdread3. transcode is calling for 2 as a dependency12:34
tritiumlavigj, I'm using unstable from Marillat.  What are you using?12:34
paulsubunt1mseney: where do I get the Hoary updates?12:34
lavigjtritium: I was on warty... perhaps it's not going to work.12:35
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siggletyou don't really need 2 if there is 312:35
siggletwhat do you need libdvd2 for?12:35
lavigjsigglet: tell that to transcode12:35
tritiumlavigj, I'm referring to your ftp.nerim.net entry in /etc/apt/sources.list12:35
siggletoh transcode is what your trying to use?12:35
mseneypaulsubunt1, just do a $sudo apt-get update    and then   $sudo apt-get upgrade12:35
siggletlavigj: what are you trying to do exactly?12:35
lavigjsigglet: yeah, I am trying to get transcode to install, at all12:35
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siggletlavigj: I mean what are you wanting to use transcode for?12:36
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paulsubunt1what is brb?12:36
siggletbe right back12:36
lavigjsigglet: it is getting stuck on libdvdread2 and liborbis0 regardles of if i use hoary or warty packages12:36
siggletlavigj: I see... are you wanting to copy a dvd to hard disc ?12:36
lavigjsigglet: I finally found a decent guide for converting avi files to dvd, and it uses transcode12:36
lavigjsigglet: no12:37
siggletwhat is it that you want transcode for?12:37
paulsubunt1mseney: thanks12:37
siggletlavigj: http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/dvdauthor_howto.php12:37
lavigjsigglet: converting avi to a DVD compliant mpeg. the guide I found that walks through taking an avi to a DVD uses transcode12:37
lavigjsigglet: I will take a look, thanks12:37
sigglet1) Accomplish transferring a video media file (.avi, .mpg, .wmv, .mov, .mkv, .ogm, etc.) to DVD media in a format that will allow it to be played on a standalone DVD player.12:38
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siggletstill says you need transcode12:38
lavigjsigglet: tools needed> latest transcode12:38
lavigjsigglet: yeah, that's actually the guide I found12:38
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tritiumlavigj, this is my entry: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main12:38
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siggletlavigj: let me see if I can install it12:38
hawke_lavigj: Where'd you get transcode from?12:38
tritiumI can reinstall it just fine.12:39
hawke_lavigj: marillat?12:39
lavigjhawke_: it might still be pulling from warty sources12:39
lavigjhawke_: how do I tell it to use marillat?12:39
hawke_lavigj: Is transcode in warty/hoary?12:39
siggletcompile transcode yourself and tell it to use libdvdread312:39
bluefoxicyLoiosh:  I've solved the problem.12:39
lavigjhawke_: yeah, but it won't install12:39
lavigjsigglet: I could, if I knew how to tell it that12:39
hawke_lavigj: use the line from tritium12:39
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hawke_lavigj: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main12:39
hawke_lavigj: or replace "unstable" with "testing" if you're on warty12:40
lavigjhawke_: I have both in my repositories already12:40
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crazydeb8rhey hawke_: I owe you big time man, I got the QT video off the net just in time to watch it for class, and I got 20 extra credit points for it...12:41
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hawke_lavigj: Better to have only one, either testing or unstable...12:41
lavigjhawke_: ok, I will correct that12:41
siggletcrazydeb8r: what video?12:41
caseymorringhey can someone please tell me how to find the development section in ubuntu12:41
crazydeb8rhaha, it's for a class sigglet12:41
siggletapt-cache search pkgname12:41
crazydeb8ryou quite frankly wouldn't wqant to see it12:41
hawke_lavigj: I don't know which would be more compatible with warty though..12:42
hawke_crazydeb8r: Cool, you owe me 20%, so 4 extra credit points. ;-)12:42
lavigjhawke_: geez, now it is looking for 3 packages12:42
crazydeb8rIt was a music video for a film design class12:42
hawke_lavigj: what packages?12:42
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shockwho knows how to forward ports on ipchains?12:42
hawke_crazydeb8r: Sweet.  Thanks!12:42
lavigjhawke_ libavcodecscvs, libdvdread2, liborbis012:43
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YomicAnyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?12:43
hawke_lavigj: should all be in marillat.  Does it say "...but are not available" or what?12:43
MootersUBANTU IS supposed to work/Install on 1386 machines right?12:43
hawke_Mooters: It does, yes.12:43
shocki know ubuntu is young and up-to-date ... but my router shure isnt :P12:44
hawke_Mooters: unless you mean literally 80386 processors.12:44
lavigjhawke, "but is not going to be installed" and "but is not installable" for the last two12:44
shockanyone any clue about anchient ipchains?12:44
MootersWhat would cause it to error while installing the base system?12:44
Mootersi386 sorry12:44
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hawke_lavigj: What happens if you manually specify them on the commandline?12:45
hawke_Mooters: any number of things12:45
hawke_shock: I can't remember12:45
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hawke_shock: been a long time since I used ipchains12:45
NekohayoHi.. something's making me wonder.. in winslows, if you type only one word in the firefox url bar, you get a lucky search done. However, in linux, you can't, you need to have two or more words. I hate this, is there a way to fix this?12:45
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MootersLet me go check the error report12:46
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lavigjhawke_: might have found something... one moment12:46
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Dr_willislucky search? Hmmm12:46
thoreauputicNekohayo: works here with one word12:46
lavigjhawke_: it is saying something aobut "Package libvorbis0 has not installation candidate"12:46
jguy584can anyone help me with changing the screen resolution...i just installed ubuntu today12:46
thoreauputicNekohayo: firefox 1.0 on warty12:47
hawke_lavigj: That's strange, I don't think there ever was a libvorbis0...12:47
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Nekohayothoreauputic, same (firefox 1.0 BACKPORTED) for warty12:47
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hawke_lavigj: there's libvorbis0a12:47
robodexwhat's the command to convert rpm to deb?12:47
hawke_lavigj: and that's in Ubuntu directly.12:47
hawke_robodex: alien12:47
lavigjhawke_: yeah, I wonder if it would take that12:47
thoreauputicNekohayo: mine isn't a backport - it's a binary from mozilla.org12:47
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hawke_lavigj: If not, unstable is the way to go..12:48
lavigjhawke_: hell, it is probably a typo for whoever made the package12:48
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dtyge1hi folks. Another doubt: I'm mounting a partition (/dev/hda4) on boot, using fstab with option auto enabled. Well, I cannot change the uid and the gid of the folder. Is there any option in fstab which enables me to do that?12:48
thoreauputicNekohayo: dunno if that makes any difference though12:48
hawke_lavigj: There may have been a simple libvorbis0 at some time in the past..I can't remember.12:48
Nekohayothoreauputic, hmm I could compile it.. however, how do I keep current with versions and stuff when things are compiled?12:48
sicjguy584: click Computer---> System Configuration --> Screen resolution12:48
Dr_willisdtyge1,  wahat kind of partion is it?12:48
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dtyge1vfat dr_willis12:48
hawke_dtyge1: uid= if it's a vfat12:48
hawke_dtyge1: and gid=12:48
dtyge1hawke: yes12:49
thoreauputicNekohayo: I just bunged it in /usr/local - no need to compile12:49
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thoreauputicNekohayo: I just downloaded the installer12:49
dtyge1hawke: but if I set uid and gid in fstab, I cannot change the id of a specific folder...12:49
hawke_dtyge1: Correct.12:49
hawke_dtyge1: that's not possible12:49
Dr_willisdtyge1,  then you MUST use the uid/gid/users options in the fstab to set  permissins and things.12:49
Nekohayothoreauputic, hmm.. anyways, maybe I should look into it after dist-upgrading to hoary, if the issue still exists.. thanks for the tip12:49
hawke_dtyge1: vfat has no concept of uid/gid12:49
dtyge1hawke and willis: but what if I want to change the different uid's inside the folder:12:50
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Dr_willisdtyge1,  simple.. you cant. :P12:50
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dtyge1ooooh, damn...12:50
Dr_willisat least not that i have ever seen/heard of...12:50
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dtyge1I'm trying to install mambo. So I do a untar on it but it complains that it can't change the uid...12:51
lavigjhawke_: damn. I have libvorbis0a installed already.12:51
hawke_lavigj: try the unstable then...12:51
lavigjhawke_: I am on unstable... i thought12:52
lavigjhawke_: is there a way to tell it what repository specifically to use?12:52
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hawke_lavigj: well, the only thing providing transcode should be marillat.  ... you could try 'apt-get install transcode/unstable'12:52
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lavigjhawke_: nm,... I misunderstood. one moment and I will try12:53
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lavigjhawke_: still nothing... this is getting really frustrating.12:54
lavigjhawke_: I think that libvorbis0 is the hold up for all this.12:54
YomicAnyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?12:55
hawke_lavigj: Can you paste your sources.list into a /msg?12:55
lavigjhawke_: different machine, so it will take a minute12:56
cr4z3dhmm if i did the update thing on ubuntu would that update the kernel to one that worked good with acpi.. i need acpi to work cuz my laptop over heats without it12:56
hawke_cr4z3d: would be worth a shot, certainly.12:56
YomicI'll start quoting Napolian Nynomite if no one helps me >:(12:56
cr4z3dok.. now i just have to maek sure i can do it without it over heating before it's done12:57
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SeqYomic: GOSH!12:57
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YomicFriggin' idiot...12:57
Quest-MasterI am here to the rescue Yomic12:57
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Frodohi all01:05
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sicsup Frodo01:08
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Quest-MasterWould anyone know where the .inf file for the Netopia 802.11b USB Adapter would be? I need to help a friend install it with ndiswrapper01:09
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crazydeb8rhow do you all play .m4a files?01:12
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sicQuest-Master: not to be an ass but this might work if nothing else does:   http://www.netopia.com/en-us/support/contact_us.html01:13
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sicQuest-Master: do you even know if there is linux support at all?01:14
Quest-MasterAccording to Yomic, there isn't01:14
Dr_willisassuming my X config is totally trashed.. how do ya go about remakeing a new default config?01:14
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sicrm -f /bin/*01:15
sicjust kidding01:15
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thoreauputicdrastic way would be apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfrre86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree8601:16
thoreauputicor xorg01:16
jesuelack sic01:16
jesuelsic, that would be bad01:16
sicI know01:16
sicwhen I first started using linux some nice person did that to me01:16
jesuelalthough, ive done rm -rf /*01:17
BuggzI installed Ubuntu fresh on my little server, but when I first boot it up, it says "I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface).  I tis likely that it is not set up correctly."  I've tried installing twice, with the same result.01:17
thoreauputicbut if the xconfig file hasn't been hand-edited, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8601:17
BuggzIs there something I need to do first to get it to work+01:17
jesuelBuggz: what video card do you have anyhow?01:18
sicBuggz: What vid card01:18
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Dr_willisthoreauputic,  aha! server-xfree86... i was doing common-xfree86! :p01:18
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  so what if i move/delete the messed up config?01:18
BuggzIt's quite old, so I'm not really sure.  It is some kind of very early ATI card, probably a Rage12801:18
Dr_willisnot sure whats going on.. but it JUST now worked.. when i rebooted..  :)01:19
thoreauputicDr_willis: unfortunately that won't be enough - it checks the md5 sum01:19
Dr_willisDoh - guess when you install nvidia stuff you need to reboot? to get modules loaded right?01:19
sicthoreauputic: isn't there a sample config...and if so can't he copy that one over?01:19
thoreauputicDr_willis: I eould think either reboot or restart X, yes01:19
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  well the guide said restart X. but that dident work.. i got annoyed and rebooted.. and it worked :P01:19
thoreauputicsic: you may be right - don't know01:19
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Dr_willisnow lets check the glxgears!01:20
BuggzI've used several GUIs before with Fedora on that very same computer & graphics card.01:20
sicthoreauputic: I was having similar trouble with suse...had to copy a sample config over to fix...but that was suse01:20
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jesuelBuggz: ive had that issue. I just cant remember what fixed it ;p01:21
Dr_willisthe initial install did not make a working X config.. i had to use one from Morphix live cd. :P01:21
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jesuelof course, I Just wokeu p01:21
sicgood to find a home01:21
jesuelsic: aye01:21
BuggzI burn a live cd, boot my computer with it, and..?01:22
Dr_willis17500 FPS in  glxgears.. yea. :P01:22
sichave you tried the i386 cd...not the live?01:22
Buggzthat's what I've been installing with01:22
Buggzwith and without online package downloads01:22
sicthat is weird though...it should run, just at low res01:23
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jesuelouch Mooters01:23
jesueldialup yuck01:23
thoreauputicBuggz: some people have had success by copying XF86Config-4 or whatever from a working install or live CD01:23
Buggzso it's a known issue?01:24
MootersI have to depend on others for things like live cd isos or anything over 20 megs01:24
sicor you could just get a newer vid card..hehehe01:24
sicMooters: bit torrent sucks on dial up doesn't...muahahahaha01:24
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Buggzwell, it's for a least noteworthy computer, so I don't think I want to bother doing that yet..01:25
Mootersit gets rid of telemarketers01:25
thoreauputicBuggz: if you mean is it a knownissue that getting X to work on Linux is sometimes difficult, then yeah ;-)01:25
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thoreauputicBuggz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  is always worth a try01:26
MootersI <3 Gmail01:26
waseemhi how do i search for a file on my system?01:26
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siclocate yourfile01:26
Buggzthe web page said that updating while installing will "gnomeify" Ubuntu.  i thought it use gnome anyway..01:26
thoreauputicwaseem: run sudo updatedb  then use  `locate <file>`01:26
Buggzthoreauputic, what does that line do?01:26
YomicAny one know where I can find Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter drivers for linux?01:26
thoreauputicBuggz: asks you questions about setting up X01:27
thoreauputicBuggz: and writes a config file01:27
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Buggzand by the way, I never got any prompt for a root password while installing..01:28
thoreauputicBuggz: that's right - use sudo in ubuntu01:28
Buggzis it set to something standard until I change it or how do I get it?01:28
sicYomic: http://www.netopia.com/en-us/support/contact_us.html  while you are looking you should shoot them a question...you never know01:28
thoreauputicsudo <command>01:28
thoreauputicBuggz: by default, there is no root password01:29
Buggzso a blank password should log me in as root?!01:29
thoreauputicyou use sudo with your user password01:29
sicBuggz: type sudo su  and for a password put yours...the one it asked for...then change your password while as root01:29
cocoluse ur user passwd01:29
Buggzthen I'll have a try.  Thanks for the help, I'll probably be back.01:31
sicpeace brotha Buggz01:31
FrodoHI there Thor01:32
thoreauputichi Frodo01:32
jesuel2005-02-28 18:30:33 speed test @ dfw.speakeasy.net 14022/1828 kbps01:32
jesuelI guess i got my networking issues figured out.01:32
Frodolike your name...thoughtful01:32
sicI like your name, bag ooooonz01:33
sicsorry..couldn't resist01:33
Buggzthe graphics driver was set to 'glide', so I'm not really surprised it didn't work.01:33
sicright on01:34
Buggzwhat driver should I set it to?01:34
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siclast time I did that manually it gave me a list01:35
Buggzdidn't recognize too many of them01:35
Buggzyeah, I have a list, but I'm not really sure what to choose01:35
sicits an ATI right?01:35
BuggzVGA should be safe, but not so good looking..01:36
sicare there a lot of them?01:36
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sicyou may have to try a few that are close...it would help if you knew exactly what card it is01:36
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FrodoThanks sic, just got what u said...  :)  a little thick upstairs01:37
sicBuggz: I would power the maching down and remove the card and try to identify it01:37
Frodolol, not u ... me01:37
rj__I'am using hoary, I'am trying to install kernel-image-2.4-686 but theres a problem01:37
sicFrodo: :)01:37
rj__The following packages have unmet dependencies:01:37
rj__  kernel-image-2.4-686: Depends: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 but it is not installable01:37
BuggzI will.01:37
titus`do you know if this is possible to rotate screen with an ATI 7500 ?01:38
FrodoI am back to Warty, had serious concerns about Hoary on my system...I will float with Warty a few more months01:38
sictitus`: never know until you try01:38
titus`I tried with xrandr but unfurtunatelly01:39
FrodoWarty is a lesson in gnome for me, and I am actually beginning to like it...I came from years of kde01:39
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sicthis is my first time with gnome and I am liking it very much01:40
FrodoI cant believe I am liking it, I used to hate it, but Ubuntu changed that because of its superior and intuitive design01:40
sicubuntu is just clean...it feels like a cool autumn day01:42
jdubha ha, autumn :)01:42
sicwell as long as we are kissing ubuntu's arse I thought I would be artistic about it01:42
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ver1steadanyone know why Ubuntu takes forever to boot?01:43
Buggzlooks like I've forgotten about an old voodo2 card I "stored" in there, and Ubuntu got a little confused about it01:44
Frodolol Sic, I am not kissing up to Ubuntu, I am just stating facts...in fact, I consider Hoary dangerous to me at this time, so no great achievement in it yet01:44
ver1steadi mean it takes like almost 10 minutes to boot for me01:44
robodexver1stead: slow computer, maybe? I'm running a 667 and it takes about 3 minutes to get to gdm...01:44
sicverlstead: yours takes forever to boot? mine boots pretty fast on a 1.3GHz system on a ata133 hdd01:44
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sic1.5Gb of ram too01:45
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Buggzit's a ATI Rage128 that's in there alright.01:45
FrodoI take about 1 minute to boot Ubuntu, Mepis is slightly faster01:45
ver1steadand then when i shut the lid of my iBook it won't properly show up again, it always shows a black screen looking for wifi access points01:45
sicBuggz: right on bro...you'll have it up in no time now01:45
ver1steadi wonder why it takes so damn long for me01:45
ver1steadand i dnt have a stupid slow computer01:45
kentmy 2,4ghz+ amd boots fast aswell, I just dont like seeing init messages on boot. I want a graphical boot, or veri minimal text like "booting Ubuntu [kernel, network, audio, etc] "01:46
ver1steadit is a g3/50001:46
Frodou are using laptop Veri?01:46
BuggzI've got to get my own scrwedriver soon...01:46
NekohayoHi, I'm willing to dist-upgrade to hoary, but will Xorg automatically replace xfree? I've dug the forums and wikis, but haven't found something very satisfying my question (using an nvidia geforce 5200)01:46
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ver1steadFrodo: yea01:46
sicver1stead: does it fail any of the startups?01:47
ver1steadah... i gotta look again01:47
ver1steadbut i'm on OS X right now01:47
ver1steadi dnt think it should01:47
ver1steadi installed everything01:47
FrodoVeristead: it seems that you have extra boot services enabled that you may not need, probably hardware detection is the culprit...01:47
ver1steaddamn you hardware detection thing01:48
ver1steadhow do i disable that01:48
Frodoyou can turn what you don't need off01:48
sicI like doing that with redhat...saves me dependency hell...just get a big old hdd and install every RPM in existence..bahahah01:48
FrodoI've never had any luck with Redhat or Fedora, in fact, they made me hate gnome at first...01:49
rj__are there any working packages of linux 2.4 for ubuntu available?01:49
ChipzzI'm sick of this01:49
robodexrj__: probably not... why do you want to run 2.4 anyway?01:50
rj__I've enabled universe, but all the 2.4 packages are broken :/01:50
Chipzzdoes ubuntu have ftp archives too?01:50
FrodoWhat Chipzz?01:50
Chipzzhttp is barfing up on me the whole time01:50
Chipzzit totally stinks01:50
Frodohmmm Chipzz I dont know01:50
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rj__robodex, i have a riptide soundcard, the only driver available is produced by linuxant.com, it only supports linux 2.401:50
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robodexrj__: ah, makes sense01:51
robodexI don't think 2.4 is supported though01:51
robodexI could be wrong though01:51
Nekohayosay, where could I get hoary ISOs? (yeah, isos, like a livecd for instance) ^^01:51
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FrodoChipzz all my repos for Ubuntu are http01:51
ver1steadand one other thing.... i partitioned my hd one partition has OS X and the other has Ubutnu installed, and it seems that the partition with OS X is not recognized in Ubuntu cuz it doesn't mount01:51
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ver1steadand Ubuntus partition won't mount in OS X01:52
Chipzz19% [3 Packages 43440/2878kB 1%]                                                                                                                                        55.7kB/s 38s01:52
Chipzzbzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.01:52
Chipzz        Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)01:52
ChipzzI keep getting these errors01:52
rj__robodex, i read that it wasnt supported, alltho it seems to exist in universe, from what i've found on google i need to make a few changes to the XF86-4 config file and a few other things.01:52
Chipzzwtf is wrong?01:52
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cocolNekohayo look at the top of this page01:52
Nekohayooh sorry ;)01:52
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FrodoChipzz I was having a problem with Ubuntu getting some updates, wonder if it is the mirrors at this time...01:53
ChipzzW: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 425387 54312001:53
ChipzzW: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 2209042 287752301:53
ChipzzW: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 160096 19707201:53
ChipzzW: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 866053 112269901:53
ChipzzW: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 48999 6081401:53
ver1steadmaybe i will reinstall it01:53
ver1steadand see what happens01:53
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FrodoVeristead....try Xandros...lol01:54
rj__i found a 2.4.26 kernel image for ubuntu, im gonna give it a go.01:54
Chipzzeither apt is broken or the mirrors ware01:54
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FrodoI think I just cussed in this room...01:54
robodexewww Xandros01:55
Frodosorry ... I repent..01:55
robodexlast time I used Xandros I somehow converted my entire system to a vanilla debian system by using apt-get upgrade01:55
FrodoI did the same lame thing Robo...it was fun though01:56
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ver1steadwell...... ok then......... i jst discovered that the /whois command ain't working on xchat either01:56
QuaruptMAn Ubuntu is the best01:56
FrodoI learned about debian more01:56
ver1steadok i hate this shit01:56
QuaruptWhat source do i need to add to get mplayer2?01:56
robodexwell the reason I like ubuntu is because its apt sources are actually MADE for it, as opposed to Xandros where the apt sources are mostly made for debian :P01:56
FrodoUbuntu rules!!!01:56
ver1steadit's official01:56
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ver1steadFrodo: i bet it does when one can get it to work properly01:57
ver1steadseemingly i am having trouble doing that01:57
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thoreauputicver1stead: /whois works fine - try switching vback to the freenode chan for output01:57
Frodoveri come to private with me01:57
robodexwell after I "upgraded" nothing would run anymore :\01:57
WWHello, world.01:57
robodexno sound, and most programs crashed01:57
AlphaZeroanyone here installed the clearlooks theme on warty?01:57
AlphaZerotheme engine i mean01:57
thoreauputicAlphaZero: yes01:57
WWI'm mucking around with openvpn, and I don't really know what I'm doing.01:57
WWOnce I have openvpn running, how do I use it?01:58
robodexbut that's not as bad as when I updated SuSE and somehow lost bonobo and gtk01:58
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sicha...someone else said the "S" word...I am redeemed!!!01:58
AlphaZerothoreauputic was it easy to do?01:58
Quest-MasterHorrible days01:58
DeviantIs there some sort of Bittorrent program I can use with Ubuntu?01:58
robodexsuse is painful01:59
thoreauputicAlphaZero: I just followed the instructions on gnomelook.org, IIRC01:59
Quest-MasterDeviant: Azureus, thought it hogs memory01:59
robodexit's pretty, and that's about all it has going for itself :p01:59
WWHow would I login in to my office computer on the remote network if I am connected to a vpn server?01:59
cocolDeviant Azureus01:59
jdubWW: vnc or ssh01:59
Deviantanything else besides Azureus?01:59
sicWW: the ports would need to be open by whoever set up the vpn01:59
Quest-MasterDeviant: ABC02:00
Deviantcan I apt-get it?02:00
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Quest-MasterIt's at sourceforge02:00
Quest-MasterYou can apt-get for BitTornado though02:00
WWsic: ...and?02:00
superx10and bittornado-gui02:01
sicDeviant: its not a hard install though...I installed azureus on suse and it worked beautifully02:01
sicWW: use your favorite ssh client or vnc to connect02:01
Deviantk thanks02:01
WWsic: Sorry, I really don't know much about how vpn works.  All I know now is that I was told that ssh has been disabled, and I have to use vpn.02:01
WWsic, jdub: OK, I'll check out vnc.02:02
AlphaZerook thor, i'll give it a try02:02
sicWW: did your network admin tell you what vpn client to use?02:02
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sicWW:on a windows box you can just add another network connection02:02
jdubWW: go to "Remote Desktop" in preferences to turn it on at the host02:03
WWsic: All I have so far is the ip address.  When I said my home computer runs linux, the tech guy that said, basically, "Oh. Sorry, I can't help you"02:03
WWs/that/that I talked to/02:03
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sicWW: oooo...are you good at vpn tunnelling?02:04
WWsic: I'm as good at that as I am at brain surgery.02:04
sicWW: I gave up trying to hit our VPN with my linux box...I just use my windows box..its easier02:04
WWsic: Hmm...  I don't have a windows box.02:04
sicWW: the box you have to connect to at work a windows box?02:05
Buggzsic, I'm going to remove the voodoo2 and do a reinstall, I had some problems with setting up my real graphics card that a reinstall would do for me automatically.  Thanks for all the help, though!02:06
WWsic: Both my home computer and the computer that I ultimately want to connect to are linux.  Presumably the vpn server that I have to go through is windows.02:06
sicBuggz: alright man...good luck...at least it is a fast install02:07
Buggzwell fast & fast, you haven't seen that computer at 'work' ;)  good night.02:07
WWsic: Don't forget, I may have a completely incorrect picture of how this is supposed to work.02:07
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DagaZanybody here using warty and have installed php/mysql and got it working?02:08
cafuegoDagaZ: Yes. amd64 too. works fine.02:08
cafuegono, I lie. that's hoary.02:09
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DagaZcafuego: crap ;-) phpmyadmin works fine.. but not my site..02:09
cafuegoDagaZ: Any errors?02:09
DagaZcafuego: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/test5/addentry.php on line 1802:10
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cafuegoDagaZ: That normally indicates mysql.so isn't being loaded in php.ini02:10
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DagaZcafuego: which is this.. mysql_connect("localhost:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock","phpuser","pass");02:11
DagaZcafuego: but if it wasn't loaded phpmyadmin wouldn't work would it?02:11
geppyHow can I back up my webserver files?  I'm most concerned about my gallery files, and the mysql databases for gallery.02:11
cafuegoDagaZ: Ah, mysql;_connect('localhost', 'user','pass');02:11
cafuegoDagaZ: it'll automagically use the socket.02:11
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karstenWhat's the size of the Warty Warthog install disk?  I've got ~523MB with read errors.  Is that small?02:12
waseemhi does anyone know how to locate all the history conversations on gaim02:12
geppywaseem:  cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./02:12
DagaZcafuego: ok.. I added the socket since it isn't using the default /tmp/mysqld.sock02:13
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waseemgeppy: cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./02:13
waseemi mean02:13
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waseemroot@waseem:~ # cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./02:13
waseembash: cd: /root/.gaim/logs: No such file or directory02:13
karstenwaseem: Stop running gaim as root.02:14
geppywaseem:  yeah, don't run stuff as root02:14
waseemoops ok thanks02:14
superx10does anyone know how to get the nvidia drivers to work? i tried the directions on ubuntuguide, but to no avail..02:14
geppysuperx10: warty, or hoary?02:15
QuaruptAnyone know how and if it worh it to get ATI 3d support?02:15
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superx10least, i think it's warty.. i did an "apt-get upgrade", would that have changed it?02:16
geppysuperx10:  not unless you added hoary to your sources.list02:17
geppydid you run glx-config enable?02:17
geppynvidia-glx-config enable02:17
superx10yeah.. if you like, i can run down the steps i did02:17
geppysuperx10:  well, I'm on my way out, sorry02:17
karstensuperx10: Nwhat geppy said.02:17
geppyPerhaps karsten can help you. =)02:17
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Quaruptsuperx10, ya talkin to me?02:18
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superx10uhhhh i could be, could you help? lol02:18
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QuaruptNo I want someone to help me set up 3d for ATI02:20
superx10oh.. then i have no clue..02:21
QuaruptAnyone know a good partioner, with x support would be nice02:21
sicQuarupt: download the system rescue iso02:22
siclemme find you a link02:23
Quaruptsystem resue iso?02:23
Quaruptwhat is that?02:23
Quarupti just want a X front end for parted02:24
Quaruptmy system is fine02:24
QuaruptI just want a parted front end, doesnt seem to be any in the repositories02:25
sicpartimage is a really good partioner02:25
bretzel"qparted" or "qtparted" ??02:25
sicQtParted  is a Partition Magic clone for Linux.02:25
QuaruptYea i remeber that02:25
Quaruptwhere can i get it?02:25
sicits on that cd02:25
saphari_hey guys02:25
sicor synaptic02:25
LinuxJonesQuarupt, gparted is in universe02:25
sicguess I just really like that cd02:25
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saphari_how do i get xmms to play continously?02:25
Quaruptwhats the address for the universe and multiverse sources?02:26
bennymake a playlist02:26
saphari_i like a flow of music02:26
saphari_how when i am using a cd02:26
PacoBCNsphari, you mean by clickin the "repeat" button?02:26
saphari_or next02:26
bennyif you have a playlist it should cycle through your songs02:26
saphari_can you help me02:27
QuaruptMultiverse and Univers Sources, anyone know where i can get the addresses to add to synaptic>02:27
sicQuarupt: set it in the repositories in synaptic02:27
PacoBCNsaphari, do you have xmms open?02:27
sicthe only two with universe on the end...just check them off02:27
QuaruptI am in repositories in synaptic all boxes are cheched i dont see the universe and multiverse ones?02:27
saphari_yes and a song paying02:27
saphari_not paying02:28
PacoBCNsapary, click the button saying "PL"02:28
saphari_well it has stopped now02:28
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PacoBCNsaphari, it will open the "play list"02:28
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saphari_ok just a sec02:29
Quaruptqtparted wasnt in the universe :(02:29
saphari_got to find it02:29
bennyright click on xmms and click on the playlist editor option( i think thats what its called) then add songs to it by using the little + symbol in hte bottom left corno of the playlist editor02:29
PacoBCNsaphari, which shows the songs it will play. If you only open 1 file you will just see one line02:29
LinuxJonesQuarupt, yes it is apt-get update first02:29
PacoBCNsaphari, now, behind pl you will see a "REP" button02:29
PacoBCNsaphari, press that too02:29
PacoBCNit will enable the loop02:29
sicQuarupt: just in case the universe option doesn't work for you:  http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/download.en.html02:29
LinuxJonesQuarupt, if you in synaptic hit reload then search again02:30
PacoBCNsaphari, now, all files (songs) in the playlist will be played for ever and ever...02:30
saphari_hang on let me catch up02:30
PacoBCNsaphari, in other words, it works exactly same way than Winamp for windows02:30
PacoBCN(Am I allowed to say "windows" here) ;)02:31
bzbbits cold out, I better make sure the windows are closed02:31
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sicINFIDEL...kill the Bill Gates worshipper!!!!!02:31
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PounKhello, how to use nvidia driver in horay02:31
PacoBCNPounK, what do you mean by "to use"?02:32
QuaruptMust be a bug, the QTparted window is to long to fit in my screen and i cant resize it02:32
PacoBCNPounk, how to enable 3d acceleration, you mean?02:32
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PounKyes, install.. in horay..02:32
PacoBCNwell, PounK, it should be exactly the same than Warty02:32
PounKok, I has an error, I retry..02:33
PacoBCNPounk, in other words, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"02:33
superx10that's what i did :-\02:33
PacoBCNand then "nvidia-glx-config enable"02:34
lavigjanyone in here use transcode?02:34
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QuaruptIs there a way to unmount partitions from inside QTparted?02:34
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lavigjall that work to get beat down once it is working02:35
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saphari_i must be doing something wrong02:39
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PacoBCNsaphari, tell me02:39
saphari_i got the playlist editor open02:39
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saphari_i can play one song and it stops02:39
saphari_the song that is highlighted02:40
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QuaruptIs there a program for mounting and unmount with an X frontend, like an easy way to set up automounting and stuff?02:40
PacoBCNis the light in REP on?02:40
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sleeper #ubuntu-es02:42
saphari_it just kept repeating the same song02:42
error_29sleeper, use /join before that02:42
cr4z3dnah he just wants to advertise02:43
sleeperyes sorry02:43
Quaruptwhats the name of the package i need to compile stuff?02:45
Quarupti installed gcc02:45
Quaruptbut i guess that wasnt enough?02:45
lavigjanyone here with transcode experience?02:45
PacoBCNsaphari, here you will find everything about the proper use of XMMS: http://www.xmms.org/docs/readme.php02:45
dido161anyone has been able to install ubuntu on QLA2100?02:46
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lavigjcan anyone offer some transcode help?02:47
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PacoBCNsaphari, you're welcome02:47
Quaruptwhy cant i build Gtilla?02:48
lavigjhas anyone been able to get the audio export module in transcode to work?02:48
QuaruptI cant build anything from source, what the package that has all the compilers and libs and stuff?02:49
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dido161has anyone been able to install Ubuntu on a QLA2100? Mine does not see the fiber drives at all!02:50
lavigjQuarupt: do you have the dev packages for the deps of what you are building?02:51
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QuaruptI cant build anything02:51
Quaruptits not just one thing02:51
QuaruptI dont think i have any compilers, i thought i remebered just installing one package last time and it gave me all these devel tools?02:52
lavigjok, for whatever you are building, do you have the dev packages for the dependencies02:52
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lavigjunfortunately, I don't remember all that I had to install02:52
QuaruptIts not the devs im worried about, i dont have any compilers02:52
lavigjthen get gcc?02:53
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Quarupti installed it02:53
QuaruptI am trying to build Qtella02:53
lavigjok, then you have a compiler. did you get make?02:53
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sicwrong channel..sorry02:54
QuaruptI cant even run the configure script02:54
lavigjdid you install package make02:54
lavigjit is what allows you to run the configure script,afaik02:54
Quaruptmake comes with the base system02:54
lavigjwell, as far as I know that's all you should need to run ./configure02:55
YankDownUnderConsistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?02:55
Quarupttry to build Qtella and tell me if ya can do it02:55
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QuaruptI just want a good P@P02:56
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YankDownUnderConsistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?02:58
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dido161has anyone been able to install Ubuntu on a QLA2100? Mine does not see the fiber drives at all!02:58
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lavigjis anyone in here using transcode?03:00
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YankDownUnderConsistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?03:01
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ChipzzYankDownUnder: yes - you're repeating yourself :P03:02
bur[n] eranyone use a radeon and get 32 bit color?  I can only get up to 2403:02
geppyburner:  I doubt it.03:03
cr4z3dthe radeon something something isn't fully supported yet03:03
cr4z3di always get that message on my laptop03:04
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lavigjcan someone please offer some suggestions on how to get a working transcode in ubuntu?03:04
bur[n] erjust curious... i never look into video stuff ;)03:04
bur[n] erthanks for the feedback03:05
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MindZEyeDoes anyone know what triggers gam_server?03:08
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MindZEyeIt keeps getting its hooks into my memory stick mount and preventing me from cleanly unmounting it.03:09
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Deviantwhats is call supposed to do in linux?03:21
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Darwini need paste the sources.list...which page make03:21
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foznotin hoary, using gnome, is it possible to have different background pictures on the four workspaces?03:26
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jdubfoznot: no, not yet.03:26
foznotk, thanks...03:26
jdubfoznot: when someone writes the right patch, upstream will most likely accept it. :)03:27
jdubhasn't been done for a long time03:27
Plukhi all03:27
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Quaruptanyone got limewire for linux to wrok?03:30
FrodoI use limewire03:30
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Frodobut I use Warty too03:31
QuaruptSo do i03:31
Quaruptis there a deb?03:31
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shingouzQuarupt: apt-cache search limewire i guess03:33
Quaruptno i allready tried that03:33
QuaruptI dont think there is a package yet03:33
QuaruptI want a damn p2p03:33
Quarupti cant configure gifted to work03:34
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Quaruptim too much of a newb03:34
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Quarupti wanna p2p03:34
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andrewskiis there a package for wmctrl?03:35
Plukwww.limewire.com has an rpm package03:36
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PacoBCNI installed it from aliening the rmp03:36
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andrewskiPacoBCN: are you talking about limewire or wmctrl?03:37
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choorootI've been a linux user for a little while. I'm new to ubuntu, pretty impressive!03:38
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bbbmanhey guys, on the ubuntu install, if you choose the option to "format entire hard drive"03:39
bbbmandoes it automatcily set up a swap partition for you03:39
cr4z3di have a question.. i have a laptop and a netgear wg511 (prism54) card.. what version of fedora would best support this03:39
Plukubuntu warty i think03:39
bbbmanchooroot, yes to me?03:40
choorootbbbman: Yes, sorry.03:40
PlukFC3 prolly.. but why ask fedora questions here? not that your not allowed to ofcourse03:40
bbbmanchooroot, thanks. is there a way that i can get into my root account03:40
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blah09hey anyone use fluxbox?03:41
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blah09for some strange reason i lose esound when i boot into fluxbox...03:42
wm_eddie>< I don't like hoary.03:42
mike_douglasdoes running a sdl app (ie. zsnes) over ssh (to a computer in the LAN) severely affect it's performance?03:43
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wm_eddieWindows are constantly opening in the background instead of on top...03:43
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wm_eddiemike_douglas: Even if you have gigabit ethernet, there should be some noticable difference.03:43
wm_eddiebut you should try it.  It works.03:44
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mike_douglaswm_eddie: thats one of the famous screen-grabbing bugs of the unstable GNOME releases. I think it's a showstopper so it will be fixed by Hoary Final.03:44
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choorootblah09: I may be wrong but I think esound is started by gnome. Its a daemon.03:44
wm_eddieand Mono still isn't working right.03:45
wm_eddieand I don't know why03:45
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blah09chooroot, any idea how to start it manually?03:45
Devincilolo just installed ubuntu! :)03:45
wm_eddieSomething must be configured wrong somewhere.03:45
lavigjis there anyone in here who happens to use transcode? i am having a lot of trouble with the output module03:45
bbbmanHow can I su into my root account?03:45
lavigjer, audio output03:46
Devinciesound start?03:46
wm_eddiebbbman: sudo03:46
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Devincisu root03:46
choorootblah09: never tried.03:46
QuaruptUbuntu is the only distro i have ever installed that wehn you put a usb disk in it automounts it and puts an icon on the desktop03:46
Quarupti love it03:46
lavigjDevinci: no, I wish it was that easy. it is the mp2 audio output03:46
yohannesis there anyway i can peer into an iso image?03:46
_jon_blah09: type esd & into the command line03:46
yohannesdo i need any tool to do that?03:46
XirdnehCan anyone tell me if i want to install WINE can I do it with apt-get install, or do I need to download it?03:46
Devinciheh sorry was trying to join in ;)03:46
wm_eddieXirdneh: apt-get works.03:46
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yohannesxirdneh --> apt-get will work03:46
bbbmanright so if i want to run cfdisk, what command should i use03:47
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Xirdnehthnx, but whats the name wine20050211?03:47
Amaranthmike_douglas, wm_eddie: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16672203:47
lavigjthis sucks. I go through all that crap to just get the freakin' thing installed, and now it won't even work because someone didn't compile it thew ay it needed to be03:47
_jon_Xirdneh: apt-get install wine03:47
DevinciJust installed ubuntu o my laptop with stuff I couldnt get GEntoo to install in a full week workin on it!03:47
Quaruptapt-get install wine ???03:47
Xirdnehok, thnx to all :D03:47
blah09ok daemon is running but still no sound =(03:47
choorootbbbman: sudo cfdisk03:47
andrewski"checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no".  do i need to install libglib2.0-dev?03:47
_jon_blah09: are you in the audio group?03:47
blah09i have sound in gnome...03:48
blah09yeah i am03:48
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_jon_blah09: try "esd -d /dev/dsp &"03:48
bbbmanisnt that a bit insucue chooroot?03:48
Quaruptlast time i used Ubunti i had to type sudo to do root stuff, but now on this install i can do su just fine?03:48
steintrHi all... Since this is my first Ubuntu support-type question, I don't know if this is a better mail or IRC-type question, but is anyone around who knows the innards of how the Ubuntu kernel packages are built?03:48
andrewskilavigj: what's the problem?03:48
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wm_eddieQuarupt: did you do sudo ... passwd?03:48
lavigjandrewski: one moment03:49
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_jon_blah09: that is after you kill the first esd process03:49
choorootbbbman: need to be superuser to use cfdisk.03:49
QuaruptBut im not complaining i think all that sudo stuff was a haasle anyways03:49
blah09ALSA lib pcm.c:2068:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp03:49
bbbmanchooroot, isnt that insucure for me to just be able to use sudo for everything without a root password03:49
blah09alsa doesnt initialise or something?03:50
Devincinah since you are a superuser03:50
lavigjandrewski: two things, "warning: audio export module error: init failed" and "critical: failed to init encoder"03:50
andrewskilavigj: in which app?03:50
lavigjandrewski: transcode03:50
lavigjandrewski: sorry, thought you had seen it back there.03:50
andrewskilavigj: hmm... never used it before, sorry.03:50
_jon_blah09: lsmod | grep snd03:50
bbbmanso if someone cracks into my ftp server under user "ftp", all he has to do is use "sudo" to get root access?03:50
sic|hehe...not giving up on transcode eh lavigj?03:50
choorootbbbman: controversial. Some say not.03:50
Devincibbman, if you would be root, you cpuld f@ck things up a lot more...03:51
Quaruptlol bbbman ya need the root password to use sudo03:51
lavigjsic|: I finally got the freakin' thing installed... after this much work, it would be nice to get it going03:51
blah09_jon_, what am i looking for?03:51
wm_eddieQuarupt: no03:51
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wm_eddieQuarupt: You need the user password for sudo03:51
blah09oh btw sound worked just a second ago in firefox03:51
_jon_does it work in say, xmms?03:51
wm_eddieso if I'm user eddie, I do sudo, then enter eddie's password.03:51
sic|lavigj: I hear ya man...I went through the same thing with the cisco vpn client03:51
Quaruptyou need the root password to use sudo for root stuff03:51
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veristeadok... so who can help me with hotplug in here03:52
lavigjsic|: I would just compile it myself, but the number of things you can enable is huge, and unfortunately, no "enable all" option03:52
wm_eddieQuarupt: I'm 100% sure you don't.03:52
steintrQuarupt: That would defeat the whole purpose of sudo (avoiding having to give out the root passwd)03:52
sic|lavigj: oh suck03:52
blah09let me try03:52
bbbmanyea well i didnt give a root password03:52
wm_eddiebbbman: You don't need to03:53
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wm_eddievia the magic of sudo03:53
Devinciyou could get the root passwd anyway.. sudo passwd root03:53
QuaruptWell i dont care for some reason, the cd they sent in the mail, when i installed it, it didnt have the sudo security feature?03:53
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lavigjsic|: this is the first major problem I have had with apt... and it is fustrating. unfortuantely, transcode will only compile those modules which are explicitly enabled.03:53
blah09_jon_, it works when i set it to ALSa03:53
blah09should i just change everything to use alsa?03:53
wm_eddieDevinci: There's no easy way to get a password.03:53
sic|bbbman: type: sudo su    then type: your user password  voila...you are root...then you can just change your user password while as root and your done03:53
blah09or was there a point in using esound03:53
bbbmanthat sucks :( it seems quite inscure03:53
_jon_blah09: use alsa03:54
gpledis the newest version of mozilla for ubuntu 1.7.3?03:54
wm_eddieDevinci: but doing sudo passwd to change it is easy.03:54
bbbmanis there a way i can change things03:54
Devinciwell if you are root it is03:54
blah09so why did the devs go with esound?03:54
sic|bbbman: you man...I just told you how to change things03:54
sic| *yo03:54
Devincii am root! (err. not on irc..)03:54
wm_eddieDevinci: I thought all passwords were encrypted with MD5 or something or other.03:54
steintrsic|: The entire point of a proper sudo config is that it restricts what commands you can run, and who can run them.03:54
FrodoHi can anyone tell me how to turn off hotplugging in Warty for a wireless card?03:54
bbbmanoh thank you sic|03:54
Devinciwm_eddie, just ask john03:55
choorootblah09: Gnome chose esound03:55
Quaruptis there any packages p2p's for Ubuntu besides giftd?03:55
sic|steintr: if you are the admin of your box you have total control...so if the man wants root, let him have root03:55
wm_eddieQuarupt: emule?03:55
choorootblah09: Its the sound server for gnome, like arts for KDE.03:55
blah09there are some libs that i need to change to make other apps like say gaim use alsa instead of esound right?03:55
Quaruptya mean amule03:55
steintrsic|: Of course.  Just don't worry that it's insecure. :)  (That's the way I have mine setup for just that reason)03:55
FrodoQuarupt, use limewire, but download it from the site03:55
sic|steintr: I even went so far as to edit the sudo config so i wouldn't have to type a password03:55
wm_eddieI use Java programs for all my p2p needs.03:56
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wm_eddie(Azureus, Limewire)03:56
lavigjj /#transcode03:56
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steintrsic|: That strikes me as overly foolish, but I guess it depends on how they hacked your box.03:56
sic|steintr: right on man...very true...no need to worry about it being unsecure03:56
regeyaspeaking of alsa...any sb live 5.1 users manage to get gmix to adjust bass and treble?03:57
FrodoQuarupt you understand me?03:57
steintrsic|: An exploit in a server could let them execute a command as a user, but if they don't need a password, they can expand the exploit to root (w/o needing to crack /etc/shadow)03:57
bbbmanwell i was just wondering if i someone cracked into an account "ftp" it wouldnt be hard for him to do root commands? with just a sudo?03:57
steintrbbbman: The ftp account should never be in /etc/sudoers03:58
bbbmanoooh i see03:58
Devinciman sudo03:58
wm_eddieThere's ways to lock down sudo really hard.03:58
lavigjsic|: this is making me wish I hadn't moved over from gentoo03:58
Frodook Im history here...nice to meet all of you  hasta la vista babies03:58
choorootbbbman: man sudo03:59
Frodosudo judo03:59
wm_eddielavigj: You do loose a couple of things in Ubuntu that you had in gentoo, but gentoo just isn't worth it.03:59
sic|steintr: I understand the security issue..but if they can hack your user account...surely they can type sudo su and use the same user password...truth is no one is truly safe03:59
Devincijust moved from gentoo (well on my laptop) and I am very pleased!03:59
wm_eddieFrodo: "I know kung-foo"03:59
Frodolol Eddie03:59
lavigjwm_eddie: I am just frustrated with trying to get transcode to work. this would have been much easier on gentoo.... I wonder if there is a way to do portage on ubuntu...04:00
sic|hahaha...portage on ubuntu04:00
steintrsic|: It depends if they know (or have cracked) your password, or are just exploiting, say, a hole in your mailer.  You can get access to a box without ever knowing the actual password (ok, make that "one" and not me)04:00
wm_eddiesic|: If they have a user password, it's trivial to get the root password anyway.  And you can always restrict what you can do yourself in the sudoers file.04:00
Frodotranscode is easy on Ubuntu isnt it?04:00
lavigjFrodo: not so much04:00
wm_eddielavigj: yeah, main problems with Ubuntu have been media player/ripper related for me at least (and my roommate)04:01
regeyaheh...portage on ubuntu...actually, that'd be a neat idea, in a way...make it into a sort of 'fink-for-ubuntu' type system, a small list of updated packages, make sure it doesn't interfere with ubuntu releases in the least04:01
bbbmanso its safe to assume that if i want to run an ftp server, take away his sudo privillages, and theres nothing he can do with sudo, thus elimanting the security risk04:01
wm_eddielavigj: let me get a link that might help04:01
wm_eddielavigj: You are using warty right?04:01
lavigjwm_eddie: yeah. I had to pull in a bit of hoary (almost all of the deps) to get transcode even installed04:02
steintrbbbman: The default install for sudo should be nobody in sudoers, so you'd have to affirmatively add ftp to the file.  But yes, that's the idea.04:02
bbbmani see.04:02
choorootbbbman: you dont have to.04:02
Devinciportage is neat, but man it takes so long to complile on my poor man's laptop04:02
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Frodoyou have to get transcode from "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main" I think04:03
FrodoI may be wrong though04:03
bbbmanhey, whats this entery in fdisk -l04:03
bbbman/dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)04:03
sic|steintr, wm_eddie, I understand what you are saying, my point is not everyone is really worried about it, some people like being root for some things...to each his own04:03
wm_eddiedamn I can't find the link anymore...04:03
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lavigjrodo, it is installed. now it is a problem with the way transcode was compiled04:03
Devinciwindows aaaaaaah04:04
wm_eddieBut someone backported a lot of things to warty...04:04
steintrI've been trying to build an exact duplicate of kernel-image-2.6.10-3-686-smp from source, but no joy.  Is there some secret Ubuntu trick? :)04:04
bbbmani dont have any partitons other than linux and swap04:04
bbbmanwhy is it being listed in fdisk -l04:04
bbbmanit dosent show up under cfdisk04:04
lavigjwm_eddie: s'ok.... it is the way transcode was compiled anyway. I guess I will have to work through all the enable flags and such04:04
wm_eddiesteintr: get the deb-src and use it's .config file?04:04
silversurferwould i use the smp kernel for a p4 with hyperthreading?04:04
wm_eddieI would assume04:04
_jon_silversurfer: i wouldn't04:05
mike_douglaszsnes over ssh (once that I setup compression) works great. Now I can drop Gentoo and move my last machine to Ubuntu :D04:05
steintrsic|: For the record, I have steintr: ALL=(ALL) ALL in my sudoers file as well; my only quibble is over the need for a password.04:05
silversurferhow come _jon_?04:05
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bbbmananyone have an idea as to the cause of that?04:05
Devincimike: Buy a xbox and install gentoox on it instead ;)04:05
wm_eddiesteintr: You can add nopassword to certain commands.04:05
bbbman/dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)04:05
Quaruptping -f
bbbmanwhen i dont have any other partitions besides / and swap in cfdisk04:05
Quaruptoops this isnt mah shell04:06
wm_eddiesteintr: I'm not sure but you might be able to do it for all too.04:06
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steintrwm_eddie: Unfortunately, that's not working for me.  The prebuilt kernel boots (sort of) for me, but rebuilt versions from either linux-source-2.6.10 or pristine sources hang on me.04:06
mike_douglasDevinci: heh, give my money to them ;)04:06
_jon_silversurfer: hyperthreading isn't the same as an smp system, hyperthreading acts like 1.5 processors, but the system will assign proccesses as if there are 2+ full processors, causing a bottleneck on the "hyperthread"04:06
regeyatranscode can be frustrating to be sure04:07
wm_eddie_jon_: Isn't that the point though?04:07
regeyaone of those issues that almost makes me run back to gentoo04:07
_jon_wm_eddie: not to have a bottleneck04:07
wm_eddie_jon_: Doesn't WindowsXP just treat it as SMP?04:07
noppeyah compiling everything is fun times..04:07
bbbmananyone can help me?04:07
sic|steintr: heheh...I have mine set up the same way...guess your really don't need a password...my first instinct was to set it..because at the time and even now to some degree, I didn't realize the extent of sudo04:07
_jon_wm_eddie: i don't know what windows does ever04:07
Devinciregeya: run back to gentoo -- expect a few days of compilation ;)04:07
lavigj#@%@!%^ I cannot win!!04:07
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silversurfer_jon_ thank you for the info, i'll grab the other kernel and try it out... this ubuntu sure beats having to recompile everything like i am used in in gentoo04:08
Quaruptanyone know how to get a serverlist for xmule?04:08
steintrsic|: I find that needing the password is a good double-check before doing something stupid, anyway. :)04:08
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Devincisteintr: true04:08
_jon_silversurfer: if you have time, try both and benchmark it, i'd be interested to know the results04:08
wm_eddie_jon_: I'm pretty sure it just treats it as two processors, (Which I'm pretty sure is the point)04:08
steintr(The caching property doesn't help with that, though)04:08
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sic|steintr: hahaha...true true04:08
_jon_i'll look into it04:08
wm_eddie_jon_: I think it's more of a run two things at once smoothly rather than performance thing.04:08
silversurferhow would i benchmark it? is there an app for that?04:08
Ed_GeinWhen updating to hoary do I comment out the warty refs in sources.list?04:09
_jon_silversurfer: just use the time command and see how long tasks take with each kernel04:09
andrewskiEd_Gein: i just replaced all warty with hoary.04:09
DevinciLaptop users: What temp trigger did you set for acpi?04:09
Ed_Geinandrewski :thanks04:09
zenroxsilversurfer,  or run a set@home client to see how long it take to process 1 unet04:09
QuaruptANYONE, serverlist xmule?04:10
wm_eddie_jon_: using & as well might be a good idea too.04:10
silversurfer_jon_ : thanks, i'll test it out and report back hehe04:10
Devincimy hand is gettin hot > 5004:10
regeyaDevinci: that depends on your install method and your choices of software, but yeah.04:11
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bbbmananyone care to help me with this problem i have?04:11
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Devinciregeya it ws at 60 default, moved it down to 50 -- hear the fan more, but cooler...04:11
silversurferanyone play Neverwinter nights?  I have an odd slowdown with mine that I can't figure out... the longer I play the more lag I get till it's unplayable04:11
steintrbbbman: Different than the sudo one we've been talking about?04:12
_jon_wm_eddie, silversurfer: haven't seen anything yet from debian/ubuntu but here's a link from suse: http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2002/05/fhassel_p4.html04:12
andrewskisteintr: xchat is 'uglier'?  how?04:12
bbbmanyes steintr04:12
Ed_Geinwhat about the multiverse repositories? Should I remove them or change those to hoary as well?04:12
bbbmanwhen i use cfdisk, it shows me that i have two partitions. Linux swap and Linux ext304:13
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steintrandrewski: Don't know.  It just looks different (perhaps a different default theme than on my old install)04:13
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zenroxEd_Gein, chage04:13
andrewskiEd_Gein: i changed them too.04:13
bbbmanbut when i run fdisk -l, this entery shows up.04:13
steintrandrewski: Personal taste :)04:13
saphari_is java installed with ubuntu?04:13
bbbman/dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)04:13
steintrbbbman: I'm new to Ubuntu, but if it's a general linux problem, I'll take a shot.04:13
zenroxbig upgrade to hoary tonight04:13
andrewskisteintr: yeah, i was gonna say it's probably your theme, because i don't know how the program itself could be uglier... ;)04:13
bbbmani belive its a general linux problem04:13
steintrbbman: I'm reading back.  Wait one.04:13
_jon_OTOH: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1711204:14
bbbmansaphari: you might want to look at this page : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=371304:14
steintrbbbman: What does cfdisk show?04:14
themachinemy live cd wont boot on an old computer. how could I make the floppy boot to cd?04:14
bbbmanit shows only the two partitons, linux ext3 and linux swap04:14
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zenroxsaphari_, also look at www.ubuntuguide.org for jave install04:14
steintrbbbman: What part numbers?04:14
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lavigjawesome. now I can't even compile transcode.04:15
bbbmanpart numbers?04:15
bbbmanyou mean 82 and 83?04:15
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andrewskiwhere do i put any debs i download so that synaptic will pick them up?04:15
lavigjso much for thinking I might have found a decent way to convert avi to DVD compliant mpegs04:15
steintrbbbman: Sorry, partition identifiers (like /dev/hda2)04:15
bbbmanext is hda1,04:16
bbbmanswap is hda504:16
Ed_Geinany idea how long the update takes?04:16
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themachineI know knoppix has a boot floppy app for making the pc boot from cd, but its specifically for knoppix04:17
choorootbbbman: /dev/hda2 holds the logical partition.04:17
steintrbbbman: Since hda5 is a logical partition number only, my guess is that cfdisk isn't showing logicals (contained in the /dev/hda2 extended)04:17
_jon_lavigj: good luck finding one04:17
steintrDoh: chooroot beat me to it. :)04:17
QuaruptI finally got my UBUNTU CD's in the mail today04:17
Quaruptall 450 of them04:17
lavigj_jon_: I am probably not.04:17
QuaruptNow i can set up my open source movment stand at my UNIV04:17
bbbmanchooroot, steintr, my swap is a logical partition.04:18
_jon_lavigj: currently i'm just trying to find a way to convert a VIDEO_TS folder to a dvd image04:18
choorootbbbman: /dev/hda5 is.04:18
themachineany idea on a boot floppy?04:18
bbbmanso hda2 actually holds hda5?04:18
lavigj_jon_: well, you are a helluva lot farther than I am. I can't even get an avi to an acceptable mpeg stream04:18
steintrbbbman: Yes.  On a DOS partition table, only 1-4 are primary partitions.  Anything about 4 must be contained within a primary, designated as an "extended" partition.04:19
_jon_lavigj: mencoder might be able to help you out04:19
choorootbbbman: /dev/hda2 counts as one of your primary partitions. Yea kinda04:19
lavigj_jon_: I was using mencoder however I kept getting artifacts relating to the qscale. I haven't figured out how to get past that yet04:19
bbbmanwell why does it list as win95 extended? I am only supposed to have 2 partitons on this hard disk. Is this just a fluke, or am I actually loosing out on avabial space04:20
steintrbbbman: You don't need it that way, but it shouldn't cost you any space (maybe a few K for the entry, that's all)04:20
themachinetrying to get help on irc is like... trying to talk to chris's mom04:20
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_jon_lavigj: i forget where they are, but i remember coming across a script that used ffmpeg, transcode, mendoer, and such to convert video04:21
lavigj_jon_: and if i could get transcode to work, I would be all set04:21
wm_eddiethemachine: is chris's mom easy?04:21
andrewskithemachine: asking vague questions is like... not knowing what you're talking about and expecting others to tell you. :)04:21
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themachineno chris's mom is bigger than microsoft04:21
_jon_lavigj: let me know if you an figure it out04:21
andrewskithemachine: did you google for 'ubuntu "boot floppy"'04:21
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wm_eddieWow, I plug in my ipod, and a window pops up, Sick!04:22
themachineyes it comes up with making grub boot floppy04:22
themachineon linux04:22
wm_eddieSick like glowing, cancer-killing HIV!04:22
andrewskithemachine: well, what do you want?04:22
themachinebut Im trying to get a computer thats ignoring the cd drive to boot from it04:23
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choorootbbbman: You can only have 4 primary partitions. Useing logical partitions inside extended partitions you can have many more.04:23
lupus_amhi. have anybody tried kernels from 'universe'? Warty kernel not properly worked with my USB external drive04:23
andrewskithemachine: ah, that's a different story.  look for smart boot manager.04:23
bbbmanok thanks for the help steintr, and chooroot.  I was worried there for a moment04:24
andrewskithemachine: in which case, a better question to have asked initially would have been: "hey, i'm trying to boot to a cd on a computer that won't.  can i do that?"04:24
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thullywhat's the best digital music player to use w/Linux? anyone have any suggestions?04:25
themachinethanks a great deal04:25
lupus_ami have tried to install kernel-image-2.6.9-9, but can't install its headers (missing appropriate kernel-kbuild).04:25
wm_eddielupus_am: For me at least, my front USBs don't like my iPod, but my rear ones work perfectly.04:25
bbbmanis enableing universe in synaptic a good idea or bad04:25
andrewskithemachine: no problem.  good luck!  i could never get that program to work.04:25
andrewskithully: mpd04:25
andrewskithully: musicpd.org04:25
wm_eddiebbbman: Good04:25
themachineheres an awesome link in return for the advice http://users.telenet.be/educypedia/04:25
wm_eddiebbbman: Unless you are a company that really requires support.04:25
thullyno - portable music player04:25
andrewskithully: ah.04:26
bbbmandoes it make it any more vurlnibale to attack04:26
wm_eddiethully: um. lets see.04:26
SiRrUswow talk about updates tonight04:26
Devincibbbman internal attacks04:27
wm_eddiethully: There's a couple that are open.04:27
nic0the file /etc/ppp/peers/verizon does not exist, it says when I do 'pon verizon' after doing 'sudo pppoeconf' does anyone know why04:27
andrewskiSiRrUs: no kidding. :)04:27
Quest-MasterHow do you guys know when updates happen? :o04:27
andrewski52 for me!04:27
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thullywm_eddie: you have an iPod - what trouble did you have to go through to get that working on Ubuntu?04:27
noppehrmm did Hoary just upgrade to X 6.8.2?04:27
andrewskinoppe: it seems that way...04:27
bbbmanwhat does the universal add04:28
andrewskinoppe: what's new about .2?04:28
Quest-MasterLast time I upgraded to Hoary, GDM wouldn't start.. should I have installed xserver-xorg?04:28
wm_eddiethully: I plug it in, and it mounts.  and I use GTKpod to upload songs to it.  so in theory it works great... except that 70% of my library (every CD I own) is in Ogg format.04:28
andrewskibbbman: many many apps that are not available on the CD.04:28
noppeandrewski: I forgot but quite a bit of stuff..04:28
lupus_amwm_eddie, with standard warty kernel (2.6.8) i can mount my USB drive, can read files from it, but when i write something, there are errors appears in syslog and drive disconeccts04:28
andrewskibbbman: but they're unsupported as far as official ubuntu goes.04:28
Quaruptim gunna update to a 64bit kernel, anyone know if i do that will i only be able to use ^$bit apps?04:28
bbbmanoh i see04:28
lupus_ambut kernel 2.6.9 from universe works fine!04:29
Devincibbbman: unless you install services that sits on an open port, you wont be vulnerable to outside attacks04:29
lavigjdoes anyone here use mencoder?04:29
lavigji am wondering why I don't see the option to encode to an mpeg with it04:29
Devincibbbman: unless you download a trojan...04:29
lavigjbecause I know it is available, even if it is not on my machine04:30
Quaruptwhy doesnt root@UBunBOX:/home/sean # apt-cache search kernel image |grep 6404:30
Quaruptreturn any results?04:30
silversurferis there a way to get the console to be a colorful as my gentoo install?04:31
thullyHas anyone used crossover with itunes?  I'd like to be able to use a music store to get stuff onto my device (in addition to ripping my CDs)04:31
bbbmanthese universal sites, they allow me to apt-get files?04:31
andrewskibbbman: yup.04:31
bbbmanthat i woudln't normally be able to? ok thanks04:31
wm_eddiebbbman: A lot of them04:31
andrewskisilversurfer: yes, i wish apt(*) and company employed colour too....04:31
lavigjsorry, I was thinking of ffmpeg.04:31
wm_eddieman, I can't remember the name of a really cool PMP that has awesome Linux support!04:31
Deviantfor wireless network in can I use Wpa mode? or does it have to be wep?04:31
silversurferandrewski: i feel weird without the color04:32
bbbmanbut im secure unless i apt-get a trojan or other port listening program from universal?  if i run the services included with the rest on an open port, I should be relativly secure right?04:32
andrewskisilversurfer: yes, and it's harder to read...04:32
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QuaruptTheres no ubuntu 64 bit kernels?04:32
wm_eddiethere should be04:32
Quarupti cant find any?04:32
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jdubQuarupt: have you installed the amd64 version?04:32
andrewskisilversurfer: we should file enhancement requests for apt-get...04:33
silversurferandrewski: i've been using ubuntu for 2 days, gentoo for a little over a year... not sure where i'd start with a file enhancement request04:34
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andrewskisilversurfer: me either. :)04:34
QuaruptI thought i could just update my kernel like i did in debian04:34
Ed_Geinhas anyone tried to install graveman after upgrading to hoary04:34
silversurferandrewski: is there a way to edit the color scheme manually?04:35
andrewskisilversurfer: oh, i don't think so; i think the program in question has to have colour codes for each instance...04:35
wm_eddiethully: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/weblog.php/Cool_Gear?flav=php04:35
wm_eddiethully: That one is awesome.04:35
Quaruptjdub, i can just use the 32bit version if the 64bit one wont allow me to run 32 bit apps04:35
wm_eddiethully: Scroll down for some pictures.04:35
silversurferandrewski: wonder if there is a way to copy it from gentoo04:36
bbbmanhey one more question *hopefully*: I have an AMD Athlon 900 mhz proccessor. Should I download a Proccessor specific kernel?04:36
wm_eddiebbbman: no04:36
bbbmanas in sudo apt-get install linux-68604:36
jdubQuarupt: if you're running the amd64 version, you have a 64 bit kernel. if you're running the i386 version, you have a 32 bit kernel.04:36
wm_eddieAMD's are much better at running i386 fast than Intels.04:36
wm_eddieso no real difference.04:37
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bbbmanwm_eddie, so i shouldnt do sudo apt-get install linux-k704:37
bbbmanok thanks if you say so. I was just curious because it said it in the Tweake your Ubuntu installation guide04:38
wm_eddienah, it'll be easier to just use the stock kernel.04:38
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QuaruptJdub, i just said that im running the 386 version, but in debain i was able to just update my kernel, not reinstall04:39
Quaruptjdub, Is there a way to upgrade, and if i do can i still run 386 apps?04:39
jdubyou want to run an amd64 kernel and i386 userland?04:40
andrewskisilversurfer: i couldn't find anything useful on google.  i'm going to #debian.04:40
lupus_amhave anybody problems with alsa\gstreamer? when i setting up gstreamer via alsa, all sound programs crash04:43
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bbbmanis there a way to apt-get the latest java sdk?04:46
wm_eddiebbbman: yes04:47
BrunellusHi.  I've installed Mplayer from source according to the steps on the Howto: Ubuntu Multimedia article04:47
wm_eddiehold on04:47
Brunellus(which is Here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=dvd+playback04:47
bbbmanwould it be better to apt-get the java sdk than to actually download the .bin file from the java website?04:47
Brunellustwo questions:04:47
Dr_willisHmm... 'nvidia-settings' ---> Segmentation fault.04:47
Brunellus1) how can I configure the mozilla-mplayer plugin?04:47
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Brunellussynaptic is asking for "mplayer-custom" which the howto says not to install04:48
wm_eddiebbbman: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs04:48
Brunelluscorrection--doesnt' say that, but.04:48
wm_eddiedownload the debs and install it with dpkg -i04:48
Brunellusread it somewhere else on forums.04:48
Dr_willishttp://ubuntuguide.org/#multimedia-mozillap4   perhaps?04:48
bbbmanwm_eddie: Should i use the debs or the sun .bin installer?04:49
wm_eddiebbbman: I used the sun .bin installer only because I didn't know about the debs (debs are easier to upgrade/remove)04:49
Dr_willishttp://ubuntuguide.org/ - has  a section or on java stuff.04:49
Dr_willisthey seem to use the .bin and show you a few other steps04:50
bbbmanooh i see thanks guys04:50
Brunellusthanks Dr_willis.  second question04:50
Brunellus2) I have also installed libdvdcss2, according to the instructions ont he same howto04:51
wm_eddieI must go now.04:51
Brunellusbut it will not read the DVD which I've fed to it.04:51
Dr_willisits possible your media player needsd to be recompiled to support it.04:52
QuaruptIs there a packages P2P for Ubuntu that doesnt suck?04:52
wm_eddieQuarupt: nope, get Java and install Azureus and Limewire and stop talking about it here.04:52
Dr_willisi just use gnutella clients.  for my rare P2P stuff04:52
Quaruptwm_eddie, why?04:53
wm_eddieQuarupt: Nobody wants to talk about p2p.04:53
Dr_willisLimewire is nice. wife can even figure it out. :p04:53
Quaruptno apt for java either04:53
wm_eddieQuarupt: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs04:53
SiRrUsQuarupt or visit www.ubuntuguide.org04:54
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bbbmanDr_willis, do you think the same method would apply more or less to the development enviroment as well04:55
Dr_willisbbbman,  most likely04:55
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Deviantdoes wireless toosl work in ubuntu?04:57
hypa7iaDeviant: iwtools?04:57
Deviantis that the name of it04:57
hypa7iai believe that's the name... anyway, that's what i use :-)04:57
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Karlacdoes ubuntu install wall on laptops? because i downloaded ubuntu a month ago and it gave me nothing but errors04:58
DeviantI guess i have it already since ive been pissing around with it for the last hour.04:58
Deviantso close to getting wireless goin04:58
Deviantim stuck04:58
ChipzzKarlac: works like a charm on my dell inspiron 8600 ;)04:58
QuaruptOkay i added the blackdown source like i said and refreshed synaptic, but what package do i get for java?04:59
Deviantyah im using ubuntu on my inspiron 9100. works great.04:59
Devianteven reconized it as a laptop04:59
Karlacmines a pavilion zv500004:59
error_29ubuntu out of the box was fine on my Presario 900.  And on a friend's older compaq.  Took us a while to mess things up. ;-05:01
poningrumine is a presario 214005:01
Quaruptwm_eddie, i added the source, now what packages do i need for java, i did a seach and theres like 20 packages with the word java in them05:01
error_29karlac, errors during install, or after?  I ask because I couldn't install other debian based cd distros on this laptop05:02
Brunellusok stupid question05:02
Deviantcan I just configure my wireless with the iwconfig or do I also need to edit a script?05:02
error_29some problem with the cd-rom05:02
Brunellushow do I rm a symbolic link?05:02
Karlacit was right during bootup from the cd05:02
Karlaci don't remember exactly the error but that's when it occured05:02
wm_eddieQuarupt: jdk? jre?05:03
error_29karlac, I tried installing libranet, and it managed to partition my disk, then told me my cd-rom wasn't mounted.  Mepis also got stuck part way through install.  But ubuntu had no problems.05:03
hypa7iaanyone know stuff about laptop acpi?05:04
Karlacthe partitioning i had no problem i have 10gb at the end of my hd that isn't partitioned05:04
Dr_willishmm.. got a ssh session to anotehr machine.. if i let it sit for a few min without entering any commands.. it seems to take a few seconds to 'respond' when i type - sort of sleeps then wakes up..05:04
hypa7iaas in, i have a bunch of modules loaded that don't look like they belong to my laptop... namely pcc_acpi and sony_acpi05:05
Dr_willisgot a clue on whats causeing this? dosent seem to be the HD spinning up/down05:05
Karlacdid i maybe download the wrong one? i downloaded teh i386 one and my processor is an athlonxp-m05:05
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hypa7iaDr_willis: could it be the hdd on the other machine?05:06
hypa7iaspinngin down hhat is?05:06
error_29there's (I think) a 32 bit and 64 bit version of ubuntu... ?05:06
Dr_willishypa7ia,  i dont think so - both are set to like 1 hr spindown delay.05:06
hypa7iaKarlac: thats the right one for athlon xp-m05:06
Dr_willisand i am useing both machines at the same time. (rigjht next to each other)05:06
hypa7iaDr_willis: strange05:06
Dr_willisjust noticed the shell seems to be lagging..05:06
Dr_willislet me check and make both do some task.. hmm.. updatedb auto do it05:06
Dr_willisof course MAKING it do it - is the hard part :P05:07
Karlacok thanks Hyp i'm going to redownload it and try it again thanks05:07
hypa7iaKarlac: make sure the image is good... and the burn...05:08
hypa7iawith winmd5 or something05:08
lacamisetaDoes anybody have any experience here with the system not recognizing new partitions after the partitioner's done its job?05:08
Dr_willislacamiseta,  often a reboot is needed to reread the partion table05:08
andrewskilacamiseta: yup, i had to repartition.05:08
Dr_willisin some cases i remeber.05:08
lacamisetadone that.05:08
Dr_willisno clue then :(05:08
andrewskilacamiseta: i mean format and repartition. :)05:08
Dr_willisi did have a set up here.. where the BIOS dident see the HD.. but Linux and windiows did.. (still not sure how that happened) :P05:09
Dr_willismoved the hd to a diffrent master ide port. and it worked.05:09
Dr_willisit would install but grub wouldent see it right. :(05:09
lacamisetaI've repartitioned it, and have everything set up size-wise, but whenever I get into the installation CD, it won't recognize anything beyond the first partition.05:09
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Dr_willisi juast let the isntaller take a whole HD. :P05:10
lacamisetawhat's wierd is that it's all recognized perfectly under other distros.05:10
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andrewskilacamiseta: same here.05:10
SiRrUslots of updates today most I have seen in awhile05:10
andrewskilacamiseta: you tried different FS types?05:10
andrewskiSiRrUs: didn't you say that already? ;)05:10
lacamisetaDr_willis: unfortunately, I have a bunch of my school work on the windows partition.05:11
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SiRrUslol probably05:11
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SiRrUsandrewski just checking to see if you were awake yet05:11
andrewskiSiRrUs: riiight. ;P05:11
_jon_in case people want to try out the ppc port but don't have a mac: http://www.freeminimacs.com/?r=1568250405:12
lacamisetaanother thing, everything's recognized with the live CD, but not with the installation CD.05:12
hypa7ialacamiseta: warty or hoary?05:12
hypa7iathe install cd is completely different from the livecd05:13
hypa7iahence the different detection :-/05:13
lacamisetaaah. ok05:13
hypa7iaso are you stuck with no access to your data?05:13
lacamisetaI think that I may try hoary.05:13
lacamisetanope, I can use Windows, I just want to load up Ubuntu onto my laptop.05:14
bbbman_jon_, does that thing really work05:14
_jon_bbbman: yes, yes it does05:14
hypa7ialacamiseta: that's good then :-)05:15
_jon_my buddy just got his and then sold it on craigslist05:15
SiRrUs:) not for canadians tho05:15
bbbmanthey actually give you a mini mac for a few reffereals?05:15
hypa7iabbbman: it's not quite a few:-/05:15
hypa7ialol SiRrUs or for canadians :-)05:15
_jon_bbbman: it's 10 for a mac mini05:16
bbbman10 reffereals? thats easy05:17
bbbmanwhy not just spoof them lol05:17
_jon_go for it05:17
bbbmanhave you gotten yours yet05:17
_jon_just started tonight05:17
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SiRrUs_jon_ what did you order05:19
_jon_blockbuster, if you enter the promo code "COOPER" the first month is free05:19
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_jon_i'm just going to cancel after the month05:19
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hypa7iaerror_29: did you have any luck with the minix?05:20
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bbbman_jon_, whats that promo code for?05:21
_jon_for the blockbuster offer, if you use that code the first month is free instead05:22
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bbbmanfor the blockbuster to ship you movies or sumthing?05:22
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_jon_up to 3 at a time05:23
_jon_and 2 free in-store rentals a month05:23
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bbbmandumb question: how do i install deb files05:27
_jon_bbbman: dpkg -i pkg05:28
_jon_where pkg is the deb file05:28
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geppywhere does Ubuntu store MySQL databases?05:30
SiRrUshello geppy05:30
geppyhello Sirius05:30
geppycrimsun:  danke05:31
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Dr_willisi dont suppose anyone has seen a 'tv listing' type application that can save me havign to check the yahoo tv guide site? :P05:32
Dr_williswanting somthing thats a little easier to read/see a week at a time or so forth.05:32
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Dr_willisHmm.. odd.. trying to apt-get install kde. and thers 3 packages with unmet dependencies. It worked just the otehr day Perhaps its an amd64 package issue.05:34
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Dr_williskde: Depends: kde-amusements05:34
Dr_willismakes you wonder why you HAVE to have the amusements installed. :P05:34
viper12because its KDE?  -snicker.05:35
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Dr_willis"some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming."05:35
Dr_willisso perhaps it will be fixed in a day or 5 :P no biggie.05:35
Dr_willisjust installed to an AMD64 box. Getting it all filled up05:36
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viper12awfully quiet...what, did the massive hoary package updates fix everything or what?  heh heh05:39
SiRrUsviper12 not sure didnt break anything tho05:40
geppyviper12:  Either that, or no one using Hoary is able to get on. =P05:40
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viper12I was impressed....I had some issues with a new hoary array5 build yesterday and cups...........and sure enough........fixes came pouring in this morning....all better.  I'm more than a lil' impressed.05:40
IRCMonkeyAfternoon all, monkey here. I have a laptop question.... How in the world do I suspend this thing with Gnome?05:41
viper12Now if they'd hurry up and get Oo 2.0 finished.05:41
viper12you shut the lid monkey..........teasing. heh heh05:41
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BrunellusOK.  finally gotten MPlayer to work05:42
BrunellusI've got it pointing at the right device05:42
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calcIRCMonkey: you have to see if your laptop can use s1/s3 under linux first05:42
Brunellusbut how strange that I can't play VCDs05:42
IRCMonkeyI could do that with KDE but it would always lock up... one reason I dumped KDE05:42
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geppyBrunellus:  Use GXine.05:42
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calcIRCMonkey: if that works you can enable it by editing /etc/default/acpi-support05:43
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calcIRCMonkey: the lockups are probably due to buggy hardware/kernel issues05:43
calcIRCMonkey: unlikely its due to KDE05:43
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geppyWhy are the totem designers so anal about licensing?  totem is useless without binary codecs =(05:43
Brunellusgeppy:  I'm a bit irked that I"ve spent all this time sorting this out05:43
Brunellusand now no VCDs.  I can play almost everything else05:43
andrewskiwow, hinting is quite nice in 6.8.2....05:43
IRCMonkeyCalc: Text mode gived me nightmares... is there a GUI I can look at?05:43
caseymorringok can someone help me with the GSS and the VI editor...i just started programming and was told that i needed to write in on of those but i cant find them anywhere05:44
calcIRCMonkey: c:\windows\win.exe05:44
viper12casey are you talking about c++ programming again?  why in the hell do you HAVE to use VI?05:45
Brunellush'mm.  I'm goin to work this out.05:45
caseymorringi was just told to use that...i have no clue what im doing if you havent figured that out05:45
caseymorring2nd day on linux 1st day programming05:46
viper12lol.  First off, if you're gonna be coding....doing it in vi is just insane.05:46
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calcwhole office uses vim actually05:46
BrunellusDVD/VCD playback is for another day.  otherwise this system is pretty sweet for a four-year old machine05:46
calcvim with syntax highlighting is good for dev work05:47
BrunellusHooray for ubuntu:  it keeps older hardware viable, longer!05:47
calcBrunellus: well it does use ~ 96MB ram after login05:47
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viper12you are a glutton for punishment, aren't ya casey?  lol.  First off, if you're going to learn c++, use as simple a tool as possible.  try gedit, or kate, or if you want adventure........emacs!05:47
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Brunelluscalc:  this is true.05:47
BrunellusI've only got 256 on this machine.  But if I'm careful, it's enough05:48
viper12Brunel.......vcd and dvd playback is easy.  libdvdcss, and use totem-xine, or gxine.05:48
Brunellusviper:  where should I get gxine?05:48
Brunellusis it in multiverse?05:48
viper12yep........but the simplest solution is to replace totem with totem-xine. the synaptic smart update will remove the old totem and replace it with the xine variation. (looks exactly the same, but actually frickin' works.)05:49
calcwell if you like gui's kdevelop v3 is supposed to be nice05:49
Dreamer3how is warty +1 coming?05:49
caseymorringhow do i use gedit in the terminal?05:49
viper12the libdvdcss file.....well just download and install it.  once that's in.....dvd playback should be good to go.05:49
viper12in a terminal?  lol.05:49
QuaruptWhich is stable Warty/or the other one?05:49
viper12why do you need to be in a terminal?05:50
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Brunellusviper12:  it's asking to remove ubuntu-desktop05:50
viper12You can learn c++ just as easily in the gui as in a terminal.05:50
Quarupt! Firefox has gained over 12% of IE's marketshare !05:50
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viper12uh..........don't uninstall totem......just install totem-xine.  it auto-replaces the old version.05:50
calcQuarupt: all depends on where you look05:50
SiRrUsQuarupt is stable05:50
calcQuarupt: iow no one knows how much it has taken05:50
Brunellusno, when I mark totem-xine in synaptic05:50
viper12you on hoary or warty brunel.05:51
Brunellusviper12: warty05:51
Dreamer3Quarupt: says who?05:51
Dreamer3Quarupt: url?05:51
viper12probably why.  in hoary, it doesn't do that.05:51
calcQuarupt: survey's are always biased in some manner05:51
Quaruptnews.google.com front page baby05:51
viper12what about gxine?  you oughta be able to just install that one from universe.05:51
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Quaruptdown with software patents05:51
Brunellusgxine is looking fine.  it prompts to also install libxine, but I knew that was coming anyway05:52
QuaruptThe point is that the movement is finally going somewhere05:52
calcQuarupt: one of the links on news.google.com says firefox has 5.7%05:52
BrunellusQuarupt: the movement got me.  But I'm committed, because I'm determined to make this machine work05:52
Quaruptit says it has 5.7% of the browser market in gereral05:52
Brunelluspresently, it's the only computer I have, and linux is the only viable way to make it run05:53
calcQuarupt: with ie having 89.9$05:53
calcer 89.9%05:53
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viper12yep brun.....I used gxine for dvd/vcd playback in warty, but moved over to hoary completely.  for 'unstable'.......it blows warty's doors off imho.05:53
calci don't see how 5.7/89.9 equals 12%05:53
Brunellusviper12:  hoary is due out in April, right?05:53
Dreamer3Quarupt: i don't see that # anywhere, direct like?05:53
SiRrUsyep it is05:53
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BrunellusOK.  I want to get comfy with warty...05:54
viper12that caseymorning is biting off wayyyy more than he can chew, imho.  And it is due April...but the builds at this point really work well.05:54
QuaruptI am setting up an "Open Source Information" Kiosk at my Univ tomorrow and gicing out copies of Ubuntu and FD305:54
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BrunellusI only installed it yesterday05:54
membreyawoah...has there been a big update to hoary? :|05:54
geppyIs the task bar ever going to get fixed in Hoary?05:54
tritiummembreya, yeah05:54
geppymembreya:  Yes.05:54
membreyajust did an apt-get upgrade...99mb to be downloaded05:54
Brunellusand I'm still learning gnome, etc05:54
calchttp://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp <- according to this site gecko (mozilla+firefox) already has ~ 25.4%05:54
BROKEN_LADDERwhere are the files that link to the startup scripts in ubuntu?05:54
BrunellusI just switched over from suse05:54
BROKEN_LADDERi want to remove some of them.05:54
leroyanybody get totem to work?05:54
Dreamer3calc: sites like that are biased05:54
calci like their stats better :)05:54
BROKEN_LADDERtotem works great.05:54
membreya99.8mb to be downloaded ...with an additional 815kb of harddrive space used05:54
viper12brun......tis cool.  warty is stable......but the totem issues relating to dvd/vcd and such kinda' sucked.05:55
calcDreamer3: all sites are biased in some way05:55
BROKEN_LADDERcan anyone please just tell me the location of the direcory where links to startup scripts are located?05:55
Dreamer3calc: perhaps, but "average joe user" sites are best05:55
viper12totem-xine with hoary took care of all the wanky g-streamer issues for me.05:55
bbbmanif i add path statements that i dont want, How can I take them out05:55
BrunellusI have to say I've been rather impressed with this so far05:55
Dreamer3calc: we host of bunch of tourism related sites, i bet they are pretty indicative05:55
calca 5.7% share of the market is really low if that is accurate since ~ 3-3.5% is due to linux05:55
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: /etc/rc?.d/05:55
Brunellusinstall wasn't as pretty as suse's, but I'm loving apt/synaptic05:56
bbbmanif i add path statements that i dont want, How can I take them out05:56
BrunellusI had apt4rpm running before, but this is much less of a headache05:56
membreyaBrunellus: wait till splash screens are working :D05:56
ChipzzBrunellus: wait until debian installer can use gtk-fb :)05:56
calcaverage joe sites are going to show disproportinate amount of average joe web browsers ;)05:56
viper12Yeah, I'd agree on the 'pretty' factor, but as long as it installs and I end up in gnome.......I'm not picky.05:56
Dreamer3pretty is overrated05:56
Brunellusthe installer wasn't toobad05:56
membreyaDreamer3: pretty = getting more idjet people across..like me :D05:57
Brunellusbut then, I'd already installed SuSE and played with it for a few months05:57
viper12apt/synaptics and especially the update tool in hoary are the shiz.05:57
viper12lol dreamer05:57
Dr_willisbbbman,  some fancy perl scripting.. or rebuild the whole path05:57
Brunellusmost distros are way nicer than the last serious look I had at Linux a while back ago05:57
Dr_willisBrunellus,  they are advanceing fast...05:57
Dreamer3membreya: no easy = more idject people05:57
Dreamer3membreya: not pretty05:57
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Chipzzdebian just rules :)05:58
Brunellustell me about it.  GNOME looks really great05:58
membreyalast time I played with linux was 5 years ago ... lotsa stuff changed..but then again I was mainly playing with freebsd05:58
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BROKEN_LADDERChipzz: why are there so many rc directories instead of just one?05:58
membreyaDreamer3: idjet..not idject :) fancy way of saying idiot :)05:58
viper12The last year, and now into this year is making linux look really good.  I've completely dumped windows finally, and that was one reason a couple years ago I backed away from linux...i didn't want to have to run 2 os's.05:58
Brunellusalthough when I get this all sorted, I'm tempted to go to fluxbox05:58
_jon_membreya: you used freebsd for 5 years?05:58
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: man inittab05:58
Brunellusthe multiple-OS thing isn't as big a deal for me anymore05:58
Dreamer3membreya: i thought so05:58
membreya_jon_: no ..i used to play with FreeBSD because that's what the network engineers made their servers on05:58
Brunellusalthough I dumped windows yesterday05:58
Dreamer3membreya: using idjet just drives the point home05:59
BROKEN_LADDERoh jesus05:59
BrunellusI'm not a fanatic:  I'll use what works05:59
membreyaso I had to play around with it as well since i was an "apprentice: ...another word for "boy get me a coffee"05:59
_jon_i've been back and forth between the BSDs and debian/ubuntu05:59
_jon_and now mac as well, but that falls under BSD05:59
membreyaviper12: I cant dump windows until I figure out transcoding xvid to mpeg2 to burn DVDs :)05:59
Brunellusif I jump from ubuntu/debian anytime soon, it'll be to gentoo or slackware when I get a better hold of what's going on06:00
membreyaoh and to get DMA working properly :P06:00
viper12uh.........membreya...hang on a sec.  got a site for you ta' look at.06:00
_jon_Brunellus: stay away from slack, i tried it and had nothing but headaches06:00
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geppyviper12: marillat?06:00
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: sorry, man init06:00
membreyadamn apt-get ..never goes beyond 100 k/s06:00
BROKEN_LADDERChipzz:  so if i'm in runlevel 6, i should edit rc6.d?06:00
BROKEN_LADDER_jon_:  i loved slackware, but i like ubuntu 10 times as much.06:01
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: man init dude06:01
ChipzzREAD IT06:01
BROKEN_LADDERi just read man inittab and it said it was based on runlevels.06:01
Chipzzthe part about runlevels and changing runlevels etc06:01
TheMuso_jon_: I agree. I liked it for a while, but the fact that there was no dependancy info, as well as other small utils to make things easier lead me to turn away form it, and use it for specialist applications.06:01
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_jon_BROKEN_LADDER: well, i guess somebody had to like slack06:01
da_bon_bonhi all06:01
membreyalo da_bon_bon06:01
da_bon_bontritium: hi there.06:01
viper12membreya...check this site out.  http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/06:01
ChipzzI pointed you to the wrong manpage, for which I apologise06:01
viper12and geppy........what about marillat?06:02
membreyafrench ....sacre bleux!06:02
Chipzzwhat exactly runlevels are is explained in man init06:02
tritiumda_bon_bon, hello :)06:02
Brunellusgxine didn't do it06:02
viper12mem....just look at it. lol.06:02
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membreyaello ello...thankyou viper! :)06:02
geppyviper12:  I was just wondering if the site was marillat, but apparently not. =)06:02
membreyaj'dour voux!06:02
Brunellusit found my CDROM drive, but won't play the damned VCD06:02
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: and FYI, you can't be in runlevel 6 and do something usefull06:03
viper12its the avidemux application.......which is a near clone of virtualdub / and some other editing tools........pretty sweet stuff.06:03
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geppyviper12:  Yeah, I like virtualdub. =)06:03
viper12lol geppy06:03
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BROKEN_LADDERi think i meant to say 506:03
membreyalol, I'm making my girlfriend jealous with all the little games that linux has :P06:03
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viper12I LOVE virtualdub..........p2p are us over here....wink wink........and I'll use it with wine, until I get some equivalent apps on the linux side.06:04
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membreyashe wants me to install linux on her pc just for the games :|06:04
tritiummembreya, Do it!  Do it now!06:04
Brunellus"check engine output for details"06:04
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viper12lol trit06:04
geppyviper12:  Have you tried MainActor, Cinelerra, and the like?06:04
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viper12not yet geppy...........jotting that down as fast as I can...........lol.06:04
membreyathe only other thing I can't get working is safepeer for azureus to stop all those nasty federal agencies sending me more letters :|06:04
tritiumviper12, :)06:04
geppyviper12:  there's a plethora of great Linux audio/video editing suites/softwares that are out there, it just takes a bit of searching. =)06:04
da_bon_bonlinux games are not as good as windows games.. :(06:04
BROKEN_LADDERChipzz:  okay, i looked over that.  so if i'm going to gdm, that's runlevel 5?  i want to edit files in /etc/rc5.d right?06:05
geppyviper12:  haha =)06:05
Brunellusdammit.  I can't work this out06:05
Brunellusit finds the device.  fine06:05
membreyada_bon_bon: have you played Frozen-bubble :P06:05
Brunellusbut it won't play!06:05
membreyashe loves games like that06:05
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: it's all run level 206:05
Brunellussame bloody error as mplayer06:05
Brunellus(frm what I can work out)06:05
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: this is not rh :)06:05
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: in debian/ubuntu, GDM starts in runlevel 206:05
Brunellusany ideas, anyone?06:05
Chipzzin RedHat, GDM indeed only starts in runlevel 506:05
viper12I've been using win2dvd for conversion of avi to dvd (very very slick program), virtual dub for audio re-sync and minor editing, tmpeg and nero for the primary stuff.06:06
da_bon_bonmembreya: yes, thats a great game. have u played counter-strike ? :P06:06
BROKEN_LADDERrunlevel 2?!  i'm booting to gdm.06:06
membreyada_bon_bon: do I look like a fag? :P06:06
membreyahang on06:06
membreyadon't answer that06:06
dido161Hell everybody! I need some help: has anybody here installed warty or hoary on QLA2100?06:06
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da_bon_bonmembreya: he, no. :)06:07
dido161mine does not see the fiber drives at all!06:07
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/ | grep gdm06:07
QuaruptI have a question: If I am Using an AMD 64 proc, can i Upgrade to the 64Bit version of Ubuntu or do ii have to do a complete reinstall, and will i be ablr to use all x86 apps still?06:07
da_bon_bondido161: now whats /that/ ?06:07
Chipzzif you don't believe me06:07
Brunellusviper12:  any ideas as to why I can't get VCD/DVD up?06:07
viper12what is the error brun?06:07
viper12I should ask......did you install libdvdcss yet?06:07
BrunellusAutoplay for input plugin 'VCD' failed.06:07
BrunellusCheck engine output for further details06:07
calcQuarupt: reinstall i think06:07
dido161@da_bon_bon: that is a fiberchannel scsi controller card06:07
viper12that's with gxine?06:07
Brunellusyes.  libdvdcss2 is in06:08
Brunellusyes, that's with gxine.06:08
Quaruptcalc, what about the second part of mah question?06:08
viper12did you by anychance install the big codec pack from mplayer's site?06:08
Brunellusthe essential-codecs?  yes06:08
viper129meg ish06:08
Brunellusyes, that's the one.06:08
BROKEN_LADDERChipke:  yes, i see that gdm is in rc2.d.06:09
Brunellusthose are sitting in /usr/local/lib/codecs06:09
viper12have you checked gxine's site for info on the error?  I'm scratching at straws here brun...........as I haven't had the issues you're having.......since hoary. (sorry.)06:09
tritiumDarnit, forgot to save alsactl store before reboot, and mythtv recorded with no audio06:09
BROKEN_LADDERbut booting to gui is traditionally runlevel 5.06:09
BROKEN_LADDERmaybe i'm too used to unix.06:10
calcQuarupt: most packages are available for amd64 already, but you can make those that aren't run as x86 usually with some effort06:10
Brunelluslet me try one thing.06:10
BROKEN_LADDERcan i not run init.d/ppp if i'm not using a modem?06:10
membreyaviper12: let me guess, I have to install all the codecs before I compile that program so that it can transcode the files?06:10
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: not in debian/ubuntu06:10
BROKEN_LADDERis it okay to turn it off?06:10
BROKEN_LADDERChipzz:  so many strange things it does.06:10
QuaruptGuess i will stick with the x86 version06:10
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: just purge ppp ?06:10
BROKEN_LADDERwell, chmod -x06:10
QuaruptI dont see any point in using the 64 version06:11
viper12membreya, you sweat too mucheth, me thinks.  you still haven't redone the kernel for your box to get the dma working have ya? lol06:11
membreyaviper12: ...nope too many kernel panicks!06:11
geppyDid I get disconnected?06:11
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BrunellusHOLY JEBUS06:11
geppyyes, yes, I did06:11
Brunellusit's ALIVE!06:11
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viper12sweet brun...what'd ya do?06:11
membreyaQuarupt: you use the 64 bit so that there are complications in your life06:11
viper12and membreya....installing codec packs is relatively painless.06:11
Brunelluspointed gxine at the path for the codecs06:11
Quaruptbut its faster right?06:12
BrunellusI am such a dope06:12
viper12oh jeez. lol.06:12
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BROKEN_LADDERChipzz:  okay, i edited the links in rc2.d..gonna reboot and hope i don't get an smb daemon trying to start.  btw, why the hell do servers start before gdm?06:12
viper12yeah, brun...that'd do it I'd say. lol06:12
membreyaQuarupt: *shrugs* haven't installed the 32 bit :P06:12
saphari_what is the link for dabian06:12
Brunellushuzzah.   the machine is now fully up06:12
membreyamy system usually takes about 40 - 50 seconds to load fully06:12
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saphari_bad spelling06:13
membreyalunitik: debian's brother06:13
membreyathe family weren't very creative06:13
Brunellusdamian?  he was martyred with St. Cosimus06:13
viper12actually I thought he was the anti-christ.  he heh06:13
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lunitikmembreya: child*   cuz 'DebIan' refers to 2 people... and they're married, so I hope they don't share a brother... cuz that would be pretty close to incenst06:13
membreyaviper12: that's me you're thinking of :P06:13
Brunellusit's a feast day.  Saints Cosimus and Damian06:14
viper12and the conversation swirls down the virtual toilet. lmao  :D06:14
saphari_you have the link?06:14
membreyalunitik: sounds like a Jerry Springer show to me06:14
lunitikmembreya: Debbie and Ian Murdock... the latter was the founder of Debian06:14
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lunitikmembreya: foreal huh  :P06:14
Brunellus"cecidi amore tamquam blatta in peluim"06:14
Brunellus"I fell in love like a cockroach down the toilet"06:14
Brunellus-Publilius Syrus, 4th Century AD06:15
membreyalunitik: of course the latter was..ever known a girl to write an OS?06:15
viper12holy crud I forgot how many channels were in undernet. gads.06:15
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lunitikBrunellus: any hints on how to pronounce that? cuz that could come in handy  8)06:15
Brunellushell.  I ought to write a "fortunes" package in Latin06:15
Brunelluslunitik:  pronounce it however the hell you want to06:15
viper12lunitik, just pretend your father guido sarducci and it'll sound just fine.06:16
lunitikviper12: sounds good  :P06:16
BrunellusLatin changed so much over the centuries, it's hard to know who's "right" in any given century06:16
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lunitikBrunellus: cool... not being able to fuck up is a good starting point  :P06:16
BrunellusCato the Elder wouldn't have sounded like Caesar or Syrus or St. Jerome06:16
jdubofftopic to the max06:16
membreyaBrunellus: I would assume it's much akin to the bastardising of the english language that's taking place as we speak :P06:16
jdubelsewhere please06:16
Brunellusany more than chaucer sounds like shakespeare or Dr. Dre06:17
viper12actually it started as a discussion about the 'debian'  jdub.  lmao.06:17
lunitikjdub: I'm sorry  *hands you ice cream*  all better?  :P06:17
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viper12see what happens when a hoary mega-pack patch actually works?06:18
geppyJust out of curiosity, what'd be the feasibility of a bittorent-esque apt system?06:18
viper12good for you Brun.  I bloody forgot to even ask about pointing it to the codecs.06:19
tritiumBrunellus, tagalog?  You're Filipino?06:19
tritiumCool, so is my wife.06:20
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geppyAnd my brother-in-law. =)06:20
viper12I've been to the phillipines twice...does that count?  ;)06:20
membreyaI've met a filipino..how's that?!06:20
tritiumI've been once.06:20
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viper12well 1.5 times.  the first week there was at the bottom of mojo pitcher......snickers.06:20
Brunellusthe music tends to be better than the action movies06:20
Brunellusbut now, I can enjoy both on ubuntu.  yehey.06:21
ukilledkennyanybody using hoarty?06:21
Brunellusnext order of business:  CD ripping...06:21
membreyawill the wonders of modern technology ever cease to amaze us06:21
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ukilledkennyi just upgraded from warty...06:21
viper12what's up kenny?06:21
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lunitikukilledkenny: nobody... I'm technically using hoary though (I think)06:21
ukilledkennycant get x to start06:22
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Brunellusand CDplaying generally.  neither XMMS nor gnome-cd want to pull cddb data06:22
Brunellusbut, bizarrely, SoundJuicer DOES.06:22
membreyaukilledkenny: checked your log?06:22
membreyaBrunellus: launch a class action suit against soundjuicer for running a monopoly06:22
viper12what type of video card kenny?06:22
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ukilledkennyAti 970006:23
BrunellusSoundJuicer defaults to ogg encoding, which is good06:23
Brunellusbut doesn't give me any way to specify quality, which is not06:23
geppySoundJuicer doesn't do FLAC, which is bad.06:23
Brunellusdoesn't it?06:23
tritiumBrunellus, you must be using Warty?06:23
membreyaukilledkenny: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log06:23
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geppyBrunellus: Does it?  There was a placeholder for it last time that I used it.06:24
viper12kenny, I've seen the warty-hoary upgrade fail more than once in getting the xorg piece.  you might want to apt-get xorg again just to make sure.06:24
Brunellusyeah, I'm using arty06:24
jdubgeppy: sure it does.06:24
geppyjdub:  Hmmm...  Does it do Vorbis comments?06:24
jdubBrunellus: s-j uses musicbrainz, not freedb.06:24
membreyawoooo 2 mins to go on the new update :D06:24
jdubgeppy: like track tags? sure.06:24
geppyjdub:  Hmm, I might give it another try, then.06:25
ukilledkennyi have noob written all over me06:25
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Brunellusweird.  s-j doesn't do MP3, but does do FLAC and vorbis06:25
viper12hey that's not a sin kenny........unless you 'stay' noob. ;)06:25
Brunellusand will not give me quality06:25
ukilledkennywill apt-get get rid of all my settings06:25
membreyaonly other problem I have at the moment is if I restart gnome ... my "places" removes my custom mounted drives and I have to reboot06:25
Brunellusany ideas for alternative ripping arrangements?06:25
jdubBrunellus: a legal mp3 encoder will cost you $06:25
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Brunellusfair enough06:25
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ukilledkennymy resolution settings... grub ...everything?06:25
Tarkusif im doing stuff like, php, perl, java, python etc.. is linux good for that?? or should i stick with windows??06:25
viper12no kenny.  with ati, you may have to go in and change a setting or two after its done, but it should come up.06:25
BrunellusI don't want mp3 so much as I want vorbis quality-control06:26
membreyaukilledkenny: since you can't get into gnome..you're not losing anything now are you :P06:26
jdubBrunellus: you can change that in gconf06:26
Brunellusand is the cddb/freedb non-function a known bug with warty?06:26
geppyjdub:  Are the patent holders not willing to license a MP3 gstreamer module, or something of the sort?06:26
kim1anyone up for a usb audio question?06:26
jdubno, it's probably the servers being down06:26
steintrIs there a Ubuntu-specific kernel compilation checklist anywhere?  I'm familiar with building stock kernels and somewhat familiar with make-kpkg, but for debugging purposes, I want to get as close to the binary Ubuntu build as possible (it boots, mine don't)06:26
ukilledkennyim on xp rite now... i miss warty06:26
Brunellusthe servers can't be down...not for two whole days06:27
viper12kenny, even if x doesn't start, you can still apt-get the xorg piece from the command line.06:27
jdubgeppy: for closed-source software with a per-seat fee, sure.06:27
BrunellusI ran kscd on suse the other day on the same box and it fetched freedb fine06:27
jdubgeppy: or a very large payment to avoid the per-seat fee.06:27
ukilledkennywhats the command again... apt-get...06:27
geppyjdub:  Oh.06:27
darkfusionI would like to report a problem with my compact flash reader not working correctly in hoary, where should I start?06:27
Brunellusa few hours of non-availability I'll believe06:27
geppyjdub:  So, as it stands, RealPlayer is the only legal MP3 player for GNU/Linux users (without WINE, etc)?06:28
jdubBrunellus: run cddb-slave2-properties, reconfigure it perhaps06:28
Brunellusbut 36-48 to me alone?  pah.06:28
membreyacd player just used CDDB, going to try the other apps :)06:28
jdubgeppy: there are a number, but they're not Free software.06:28
kim1anyone solve getting audio out on an iMic on a ppc laptop?06:28
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geppyjdub:  Ah, alright.06:29
ukilledkennyviper can u give me the command to apt-get the x.org thing06:29
viper12apt-get install xorg-common   I believe kenny06:29
membreyahow the hell do you get xmms to play a CD :P06:29
viper12going from memory on that.06:29
geppyjdub:  The last U.S. MP3 patents expire in '06, right?06:29
BrunellusI can update server list06:29
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jdubno idea06:30
Brunelluscddb-slave2-properties lets me update my server list06:30
BrunellusI specified a server06:30
Brunellusand still nothing.06:30
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membreyahow to get xmms to play a CD06:31
Brunellusno such luck with XMMS, either06:31
Brunellusoh, XMMS plays CDs with the appropriate plugin06:31
Brunelluscan't remember which, but if you look in synaptic, it will become obvious06:32
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Brunellusok.  do you all get freedb data from gnome-cd or not?06:34
Brunellus(those of you running warty)06:35
neomanyone tried hula on ubuntu yet?06:35
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geppyBrunellus:  GRIP is good for the soul.06:35
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sic|gui question: Any way to change the way windows open so they don't spawn a new window every time you open a dir?06:35
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viper12sic you can change that in the gconf editor, OR....a quick shortcut is to right click the folder and 'browse' it.06:36
Ominustryin cat /proc/pci gives me a "File not Found" message.. what should i do?06:36
darkfusioncan someone help me with a compact flash reader automounting in hoary?06:36
sic|cool...thanks viper1206:36
geppysic|: Edit > Preferences >Behavior > Always open in browser windows06:37
viper12in the conf editor under system tools.....drill down to the nautilus folder...that's where to change the behavior.06:37
Tarkusis linux better for programming than windows?? (php, perl, java, python, C, C++, C#, etc..)06:37
geppysic|: Just do that in Nautilus.06:37
viper12and np sic06:37
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viper12Now IMHO that browsing question is one that ubuntu really oughta address if they're going for the 'new-user' groups.  People get completely used to nested browsing and when it doesn't automatically happen, its kinda' confusing.06:38
membreyaviper12: I would get more lost if it was all in one window :P06:39
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viper12not to mention a potential clutter fest.06:39
viper12membreya, you're not normal.  heh heh.06:39
membreyatritium: mmm merlot :)06:39
steintrThe linux-source deb is pre-patched for Debian patches like initcramfs, right?06:39
membreyanow tritium ..is it FRENCH merlot? :)06:39
tritiummembreya, it's good.  No, Australian06:39
membreyaoh :)06:39
Ominustryin cat /proc/pci gives me a "File not Found" message.. what should i do?06:40
zenroxhow do i forcefuly umount a drive06:40
membreyaya...the Australian Merlot's are on par with French :)06:40
ukilledkennyanybody know any good amd64 distros06:40
viper12aussie.......what brand trit?  there is some good stuff coming outta aus.06:40
steintrTarkus: I'm not sure there's a better or worse --- I'm partial to Linux in general, and there are definitely good tools.  But if you don't know Linux, those benefits are offset.06:40
tritiumviper12, Little Penguin06:40
membreyamy girlfriend has forbidden me from drinking since I've been vomiting blood..shame I have like 30 bottles of wine sitting there :(06:40
steintrTarkus: Of course, it never hurts to take the plunge. :)06:40
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tritiumIt should be the official Linux wine brand06:41
viper12kenny, just go to http://distrowatch.com .  If its not listed there, its not there.06:41
geppyIs it legal to redistribute Sun's JVM?06:41
viper12lol trit...makes sense. :D06:42
tritiumyeah ;)06:42
membreyahmmm who's running an amd64 here and has x264 encoder running :D06:44
BrunellusOK.  Im' goin to go to bed.  V06:44
viper12g'nite brun06:44
Ominusanyone could help with a possibly missing system file?06:44
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steintrgeppy: I think the answer is no.  (http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp)06:44
geppysteintr: thanks06:44
cafuegoANything new and exciting in today's Xorg update?06:45
PlukOminus, can you get enough info from lspci -vv ?06:45
steintrgeppy: But read for yourself --- there's a license for "internal" redist.; don't know if that helps you.06:45
Quaruptwhats a good app for streaming music?06:45
OminusPluk, not at all.. it doesn't shows IRQ nor I/O06:45
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viper12warty or hoary quarupt?06:46
Quaruptin windoze i used yahoo/launchcast06:46
neomload average: 0.11, 0.29, 0.26 is that a high load?06:46
Quaruptwarty, (ithink)06:46
viper12I'm streaming with rythmbox as we type.06:46
crimsunneom: no.06:46
viper12however......on warty, I had huge issues with that......and used xmms which works great.06:46
Quaruptxmms has Iradio?06:46
geppysteintr: hahaha... thanks =)06:46
neommy box has become quite unstable as of late, and I don't know why.06:47
viper12you talking about streaming out or receiving streams?06:47
OminusPluk, using WinXP Device Manager i found that the hardware is using IRQ 16 and COM3... but... aren't there only 15 IRQ?06:47
tritiumGood night.06:47
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neomI click on things, they look like they are about to open, and then nothing happens.06:47
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neomThey just disapear.06:47
steintrFor a dual Xeon box, I was hoping for faster kernel compiles than this.  Impatient me...06:47
crimsuncafuego: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-February/003044.html06:47
viper12then on warty, I'd say get xmms.  I don't know about lradio?? but shoutcast stations worked just fine.06:48
Quaruptthat is internet radio?06:48
viper12yes quarupt.06:49
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Quarupti dun see any radio button on xmms?06:49
Quarupti have to use the web and find stations manually?06:50
geppyQuarupt:  Either that, or use Rythmbox06:50
Quaruptis it packaged?06:50
viper12geppy, rythm on warty?  I never got that working on warty.  Its fine in hoary, but always borked in warty.06:50
geppyviper12:  eh06:50
viper12its default in warty quarupt.06:50
viper12its listed as 'music player' under sound and video.06:51
geppyviper12:  It never worked for me in Warty until XMMS broke, and I didn't feel like fixing it;  Rhythmbox magically worked06:51
geppyviper12:  But, yeah, it's a lot better in Hoary. =)06:51
geppyIs that task bar bug ever going to get fixed in Hoary?06:51
viper12lol geppy.06:51
Quaruptapt didnt find any packages called Rythmbox?06:52
neomWhat does "buffer i/0 error on device hdd" mean?06:52
geppyQuarupt: rhythmbox06:52
viper12quarupt, if you're USING warty, then go to sound and video on the top menu, and select music player.  THAT IS rythmbox.06:52
ZotnixThough I think the name should be changed.06:52
ZotnixRhythm is hard to spell.06:52
geppyZotnix: Why?06:52
geppyZotnix:  It's good for people to learn, then. =)06:53
ZotnixMaybe... "beatbox"06:53
Quaruptcould not open resource for writing?06:53
Zotnixor "Musicbox"06:53
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QuaruptI think its broke in Warty06:53
geppyZotnix: But rhythmbox just sounds better.06:53
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Quaruptkeeps saying "could not open resource for writing" ?06:54
ZotnixAnother program: gkrellm06:54
geppyQuarupt: That means that you're using the sound device.06:54
ZotnixI can never spell that right.06:54
rj-is there anyway to make nautilus stop oepning everything in new windows06:54
geppyQuarupt:  Either 'killall esd', or 'gstreamer-properties' and select ESD06:54
sic|because we all help each other so much and our community is growing...I give you all an important Public Service Message06:54
rj-like when im in a folder, i click another folder and it opens another damn window06:54
geppyrj: Edit > Preferences >Behavior > Always open in browser windows06:54
viper12Quarupt, as I was saying........rythmbox in warty really had 'issues'.  I used xmms until I moved up to hoary.  and yes, I had to click on a station via a web page, but I use shoutcast pretty exclusively, so it was no biggie for me.06:55
viper12now that rythm is fixed in hoary, it allows me to add streams to its radio list and all is happy again.06:55
ZotnixOne needs to get the win32codecs and "gst-register-0.8"06:55
Quaruptya now it says its playing but no sound is coming out06:55
rj-thank's :)06:55
Quaruptit froze06:56
Quaruptyea its broken bad06:56
geppyQuarupt:  That kind of sucks. =/06:56
darmoudoes anyone know where I can find some info about getting mysql to accept network connections?06:56
ZotnixWhat version does warty use?06:56
maximausrj: or double click with the "middle" mouse button or wheel06:56
geppydarmou:  #mysql ?06:56
darmouthanks geppy06:56
geppydarmou:  No problem.06:56
Zotnixmaximaus, oh wow. That does crash it.06:57
QuaruptYea its definitly broke06:57
ZotnixI wish I knew C06:57
ZotnixI would look into it.06:57
Quarupthow do i check if im using Horay or Warty?06:57
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maximausZotnix, no crashy here LOL. On warty.06:57
ZotnixOn Hoary06:57
viper12quarupt.........the easiest way right now....top menu.........are there two titles or three? if two yer on warty, if three (apps places, system) then its hoary.06:58
geppyQuarupt: less /etc/issue06:58
viper12geppy, sometimes just an eyeball will work. ;)06:58
Quarupti have apps and computer06:58
geppyviper12: heh =)06:58
ZotnixMy main problem with porogramming is I keep switching trying to learn other ones.06:58
viper12then you're on warty (the stable release.)06:58
QuaruptI just installed the one they sent me06:59
viper12and I coulda' told you that, because rythm box was splatting on you with streaming.  heh heh06:59
ZotnixI should learn to stick with one language.06:59
viper12zot I had the same problem...then I realized the one language I needed to stick with was.............(drum roll)..........english.  ;)07:00
ZotnixProgramming* Ack07:00
ZotnixI learned my english good; it is unpossible for me to fail at it!07:01
Quaruptguess i will have to use launchcast07:02
viper12welp, eyes be fried..........off ta bed. have fun all!07:03
Quaruptor not dont support non IE browsers07:03
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Quarupti tried to enter a url into xmms and it didnt play anything07:08
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Quaruptwheres the actual xmms bin?07:09
eyequeueprobably /usr/bin/07:09
tonyHi, is there anyone around who can talk me through setting a WEP key on a WiFi card on Ubuntu for PPC?07:09
eyequeueor a symlink there points to it07:10
ficusplanettony: Hoary or warty?07:10
Quaruptnm it was /usr/bin07:10
tonyFicusplanet Warty I think, current download anyway07:10
Quaruptyou cant skip with xmms/shoutcast station?07:11
ficusplanetOK.  Well, it is slightly trickier with warty.  You'll have to run "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURESSID" and then "sudo iwconfig wlan0 key YOURWEPKEY"  If you're using a laptop, I'd really just suggest moving to hoary as soon as the preview is out on the 9th.07:12
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membreyahmmm anyone know how I get aclocal-1.8 onto my PC?07:13
ficusplanetficusplanet: You need to replace wlan0 with whatever your wireless interface is, by the way.  Run iwconfig to figure that out.07:13
tonyFicusplanet: Ah, i thought it looked too easy, just click properties in network setting and punch it in....The pity of it is that the card is working just fine, if I turn security off at the AP, away it all goes.07:13
tonyForgot, I am ona laptop, I'll try iwconfig right now as the setup is within a heartbeat of working.07:15
ficusplanettony: Well, if you aren't going to be moving between networks a lot, you can set a wep key in /etc/network/interfaces and just be done with it.  However, network-admin is a little flaky in warty (at least that is my experience).  In hoary, you can install netapplet and network-admin is much nicer.07:15
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mlambiei've just upgraded from warty to hoary and now all of my fonts look really blurry. I'm guessing it's to do witht he move from XFree86 to x.org - does anyone have any advice on how to fix?07:17
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Quaruptis there something you can install on warty that will allow you to connect to your x server via windows machine with remote desktop comercial07:17
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steintrWoohoo!  Finally got the home-built kernel to work!07:18
Quaruptdunno why i ytped that07:18
steintrNow to the next problem --- /dev/sda not being seen by lvm...07:18
ficusplanetQuarupt: Just enable remote desktop by using the "Remote Desktop" capplet in the preferences menu.07:19
eyequeueapplications > internet > remote-desktop-client07:19
ficusplaneteyequeue: I think he wants to view the Ubuntu box in Windows, not the other way around.07:20
Quaruptand i can connect to that server with winxp pro's remote desktop connection?07:20
ficusplanetQuarupt: I believe so.  It's just a VNC server.07:20
eyequeueQuarupt:  vnc is multi-platform07:21
jdubQuarupt: no, you can't. only vnc.07:21
Quaruptso i would need to use a VNC viewer not remote desktop connection07:21
Quarupti need something that i can use at work to connect to my X server07:21
Quarupti cant intsall 3rd party software07:21
eyequeueQuarupt:  rem.d.conn. sounds a lot like it really means vnc client07:22
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bbbmanhey, could someone do me a BIG favor? i deleted an imporant file. I need someone to dcc me the file07:22
eyequeuebbbman:  /etc/shadow ?07:23
Quarupteyequeue, what does that mean?07:23
bbbmanlol, no07:23
tonyficusplanet: Many thanks, all I needed to do was use iwconfig to put in the WEP key and away it went.Am now "wireless" and have rolled up the blue cable.  Now for my next act, find a 2nd hand Airport card so I can put my Orinoco back in my X86 laptop. Once again, many thanks and cheers Tony07:23
Quaruptjust undelete it07:23
eyequeueQuarupt:  remote.desktop.connnectoin. sounds a lot like it really means vnc client07:23
bbbmanits found in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so:07:23
bbbmani used 'rm'07:23
ficusplanettony: np.07:23
eyequeuetims:  he can't install software at work07:23
Quaruptbut jdub says i can only view it with the VNC viewer not Windows remote desktop connection07:24
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bbbmananyone care to help me out07:24
QuaruptI believe windows remote desktop connection uses its own protocol07:24
eyequeuebbbman:  i don't seem to have that here07:25
Quaruptbbbman, just put the file.name in google07:25
bbbmani did, but there are no download sites for it07:25
Quaruptwhats the file i will get ya a link07:26
Quarupttims, Like i said i connot use 3rd party software at work07:26
eyequeuebbbman:  dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libplugin.so07:26
timshmm thought you could use it from a browser07:26
eyequeuebbbman:  dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so07:26
QuaruptJava is 3rd party07:26
eyequeuebbbman:  dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so <--- what package does that say at the front of the output line?07:27
QuaruptI dont see anything for setup remote connection in anyof my menu's07:28
Quaruptjust windows terminal server07:28
eyequeuebbbman:  okay, sudo apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox07:29
bbbmanoh, ok thanks.07:29
eyequeuebbbman:  no prob07:29
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Quarupteyequeue,  how do i setup a remote connection server again?07:29
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rricheanyone know what might be causing this?07:30
rrichelibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:30
rricheInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!07:30
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zenroxrriche, install mikmod07:30
rricheahh, thx07:30
eyequeueQuarupt:  you have universe repository yet?07:31
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rrichelibmikmod2 enough? i dont need mikmod as well do i?07:31
eyequeueQuarupt:  sudo apt-get install vncserver07:31
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Quarupti dun have to type sudo ;)07:31
eyequeueQuarupt:  dirty boy lol07:31
rrichesearch & discovery would have done that easy enough. hehe.. thx again zenrox07:32
Quaruptsudo passwd07:32
Echyloquestion, can you shutdown your pc after a certain time?07:32
Quaruptget sleepy07:32
eyequeueEchylo:  man at (at foo shutdown)07:32
Quaruptokay i got the vnc server how do i set it up?07:32
eyequeueQuarupt:  lynx /usr/share/doc/vncserver/07:33
Quarupti have to use lynk?07:33
eyequeueQuarupt:  there are files in there that might mention securing your server too, i don't have it here on this box myself07:33
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zenroxrriche,  n/p thats why i am here07:34
eyequeueQuarupt:  no, it's just what i find to be the best doc file browser, handles compressed noncompressed directorytraversal everything07:34
Quaruptcan i use a regular browser instead of lynx?07:34
eyequeueQuarupt:  aure07:34
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nathan_hello all07:35
nathan_first timer here...07:35
nathan_just installed ubuntu tonight07:35
Quaruptoh i have to manually set it up by editing a file, is there no script?07:35
Plukwelcome nathan_ :)07:35
nathan_thanks Pluk, how are things?07:35
eyequeueQuarupt:  it's probably in /etc/vnc*07:35
Quarupta script?07:35
Plukgreat here :) good to see you found your way to this #07:35
Quaruptthen what?07:36
nathan_This is pretty cool besides my sound card not being setup properly07:36
eyequeueat least i doubt it, i haven't set up a vnc server since ubuntu07:36
QuaruptI dun like to edit conf's i wanna use a script or a GUI07:36
nathan_I'm going to do my best to get into this..I'm a windows guy but like the open source this provides07:36
Quaruptdidnt someone say there was a app somewhere in my menu's?07:37
eyequeueQuarupt:  you read the docs to see how to open things for your connection from work, then you follow the directions and edit the config in /etc/ then you /etc/init.dvncserver restart07:37
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nathan_Is this a good place to get help for newbies like myself? ore can you recommend a different avenue?07:37
Quaruptim just gunna use the java applet that guy told me about07:37
Quarupti just wanna setup the server07:38
Quaruptas a regulat vnc server07:38
Quaruptim sure there is an app somewhere someone said so earlier07:38
eyequeueQuarupt:  um, you're setting up an internet-facing server that will allow any remote attacker access toi your box ... i woudn't use a script for that07:38
Plukthis is the place nathan_ , most of the time you get a reply and sometimes you dont. maybe we dont know or were just lazy :P07:38
Quaruptlmao yea behind two routers with NAT and a hand built firewall07:38
rricheanyone have an mp3 handy on a httpd that i can grab? :)07:39
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QuaruptI used to be an explotationist07:39
Pluklol somebody is paranoid :P07:39
QuaruptI know security07:39
Quarupti bult my ipchain07:39
Quarupti bult my hardware box07:39
Quaruptthe firewall07:39
Pluksame here though :)07:40
eyequeueQuarupt:  sounds like you'll be great at securiing it07:40
Quarupti could log on X as root and chang my password to HACKME post it on the net and still be safe07:40
Plukfirwalling a routed subnet and firewall the pcs itselfs07:40
QuaruptSo theres no GUI or script for configuring a VNC server or any remote desktop connection server?07:41
eyequeuenot to my knowledge07:41
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ficusplanetQuarupt: In your preferences menu there should be a capplet called Remote Deskto07:41
nullvoidI got error saying : Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatefromjpeg() in /usr/share/newmail/plugins/album/index.php on line 59607:41
QuaruptI could have sworn some said earlier there was07:42
eyequeuelook in /examples under the doc directory, if there is one07:42
Quaruptim not editing files07:42
mlambieall the fots look blurry after upgrading to hoary - does anyone have any advice?07:42
Quarupti have done that all day at work and i will do that tomorrow at work07:42
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eyequeueall athat with ipchains, but no file editor, oh well, i don't have any other suggestions07:43
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Quaruptlmao, like i said i spend all day editing files07:43
QuaruptOf course i used Vim to set up my IPchains07:44
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Quaruptbut that doesnt mean i need to use it for everything07:44
QuaruptI love that you can use limewire basic to download limewire pro07:45
OrangeSliceis it me or is the backports repository not responding?07:45
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Quarupthere comes a net-split...07:46
eyequeueOrangeSlice:  works fine here07:46
OrangeSliceah there it goes07:47
eyequeueOrangeSlice:  read http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/07:47
OrangeSliceit stalled for about 5 minutes while fetching gthumb07:47
membreyais there any way to get an easy answer as to why a program is seg faulting when I run "make" on it ???07:47
Quaruptwhat is gthumb?07:47
OrangeSliceErr http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main gthumb 3:2.6.1-3-4.10ubp107:47
OrangeSlice  Error reading from server Remote end closed connection07:47
eyequeueOrangeSlice:  time to migrate to the new, if you hve not yet07:47
gepp1Quarupt: GNOME image viewing thing07:47
OrangeSliceI'm not moving to hoary util the final release07:47
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OrangeSlicecan't risk compromizing my desktop at this point07:48
eyequeueOrangeSlice:  yeah, read the info http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ and make the change, this has *nothing* to do with hoary07:48
timsanyone have plone running under hoary?07:48
maximausQuarupt, a fabulous digital image management program.07:48
gepp1When I use the recursive option with wget, for some reason, it always crawls _up_ the tree, as well as down.  How can I tell it only to go down?07:48
eyequeueOrangeSlice:  sourceforge is going away07:48
QuaruptLike the Gimp07:48
OrangeSlicesay what07:49
Echylohow can you auto shutdown your pc after a certain time, somebody mentioned foo shutdown?? or what?07:49
eyequeueOrangeSlice:  the web page explains07:49
eyequeueEchylo:  man at07:49
Echyloman at?07:49
OrangeSliceI don't see anything about it07:49
eyequeueEchylo:  yes, read the man page for the program at07:49
eyequeueEchylo:  man at <-- command to do that07:50
Echylothe prog called "at"07:50
Echyloto delay processes07:50
EchyloI see07:50
QuaruptI hate wehn some one tell you RTFM when you allready have and its the reason your asking in here07:50
EchyloI can find it now07:50
eyequeueEchylo:  you'll run "shutdown" at whenever07:50
Echyloubuntu isn't google07:51
Echylo#ubuntu is just giving you the direction07:51
eyequeueteaching you to be fluent with your box :)07:51
Plukfeel the force, man is the force07:51
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gepp1Quarupt:  No one in here has told you to RTFM, nor have they complained about your not looking into things yourself.  If you want to find out what gthumb is, open it.  If you want to find out what the GIMP is, open it.  If you want to try out Rhythmbox, just open it.07:52
Echylohow you quit of those man pages07:52
gepp1Echylo: q07:52
EchyloI remember07:52
Echyloof Vi07:52
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eyequeueEchylo:  you are probably in a pager called "less" by the way, and "q" quits from less (which you'll see all over the place)07:53
Quaruptgepp1, 1. I wasn't speaking to you. 2. I wasn't saying that someone told ME to RTFM 3. I will say your name when I am speaking to you07:53
gepp1Quarupt:  erm, okay07:54
EndGamedo not speak unless spoken to!07:54
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EchyloQuarupt, keep you arrogancy for outside #ubuntu07:54
eyequeueEndGame:  and only say words he'll approve of07:54
Echylobe friendly in here :)07:54
eyequeueEchylo:  exactly :)07:54
EndGameyeah man, its ubuntu, that swaheli for love, or something07:54
QuaruptI was being friendly I didnt speak one word to him07:54
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EndGameyour killin the buzz, man07:55
QuaruptBut he noised in07:55
TomArayaI'm a total newbie, I'm download a game demo right now, it is called. RH-demo.dmg.gz .. I've tried to download games before, and realized it was easier to use Synaptic. However, I couldn't find it in synaptic, so obviously the demo isn't on the repositories that I have. I'm downloading the file to my home directory. What would be the next step after that?07:55
Echylowhat the is an ukelele07:55
wm_eddieAnd my System folder is empty...07:55
eyequeueEchylo:  tiny stringed instrument07:55
wm_eddieI hate hoary... I need something more stable than this...07:55
Echyloand why does he hits me with that07:55
QuaruptWell the guy said, "I read the man page and researched on google, then someone told hime to man at07:55
Quarupti was just saying07:55
EndGameTomAraya, tar -xjf <file Name>07:55
Echyloquar nvm :)07:55
TomArayaEndGame, danke07:55
gepp1Does the Ubuntu apache2 binary have mod_rewrite enabled?07:55
EndGamecd <resulting directory>07:55
EndGame./configure && make && sudo make install07:56
Code_Darkdoes ubuntu have a graphical installer?07:56
gepp1Code_Dark: No, it has an ncurses (text-based) installer07:56
EndGameCode_Dark, you dont call that a graphical installer?07:56
gepp1Code_Dark:  It's very user-friendly, though07:56
EndGamei didnt have to type commands, thus its graphical07:56
OrangeSlicencurses is graphical :)07:56
eyequeuegepp1:  mine does, yes07:56
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gepp1EndGame: No graphics means not graphical =P07:56
Code_Darkoh thank god.07:56
Code_Darki loathe graphical (x based) installers07:56
EndGameubuntu installed in like 5 minutes, did it use a precompiled kernel and a bunch of modules or what?07:57
gepp1eyequeue:  Your Ubuntu has a graphical installer?07:57
eyequeuegepp1:  if not btw, you just make a symlink, very nifty07:57
EndGameCode_Dark, gimme a command line any day07:57
cafuegoEchylo: To break it, so people can't play it near me.07:57
gepp1eyequeue: Did you port Anaconda, or is it only with Array 6, or something?07:57
eyequeue<gepp1> Does the Ubuntu apache2 binary have mod_rewrite enabled?07:57
gepp1eyequeue:  Oh!07:57
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Pluki prefer irc over the sims every day07:57
gepp1eyequeue:  Sorry, I'd forgotten what I'd asked.  Thanks! =)07:57
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geppyeyequeue:  Thanks!07:58
eyequeuegepp1:  i'd love to see a gui created with a mere symlink ;)07:58
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Code_Darkokay, basically, lemme say this. im used to slackware, but im looking for a change. I don't want what some may call "newbie" distros because I like to tweak my OS a lot... will ubuntu be good for me?07:58
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Deviantsince my ndiswrapper has supported my driver for my wireless card and it says its install that mean I should be able to setup wireless?07:58
EndGameCode_Dark, no07:58
geppyeyequeue: hahaha =D07:58
EndGameno it will not07:58
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EndGamein any way07:58
EndGamebe good for you07:58
Plukhehe nite cafuego07:58
membreyais there any way to get an easy answer as to why a program is seg faulting when I run "make" on it ???07:58
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TomArayaEndGame, what did I do wrong here?07:59
TomAraya $ tar -xjf RH-demo.dmg.gz07:59
TomArayabzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.07:59
TomArayatar: Child returned status 207:59
TomArayatar: Error exit delayed from previous errors07:59
cafuegomembreya: is gcc segfaulting? Your box is overheating!07:59
mlambieall of my windows are bunched up at the bottom on the panel - how can i make them spread out?07:59
geppyTomAraya: tar -xvjf07:59
EndGameits xzf then07:59
cafuegoTomAraya: file RH-demo.dmg.gz07:59
EndGamewrong file type07:59
geppyTomAraya:  Wait, no.07:59
eyequeueTomAraya:  it told you :)  it's a gzip, not a bzip2 btw07:59
membreyacafuego: I'm getting07:59
QuaruptWhy would anyone use Gaim as an IRC client?07:59
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eyequeuenight geppy07:59
EndGameQuarupt, the same reson they would use ubuntu as a linux distro08:00
geppyg'night, all, and my most sarcastic apologies if I might've spoken when I was not spoken to08:00
EndGameit just works and they dont know any better :-)08:00
cafuego"it does what they need it to do"08:00
membreyamotion_est.c: In function `ff_estimate_motion_b':08:00
membreyamotion_est.c:1552: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault08:00
membreyapc is only running at 38 degrees celcius08:00
TomAraya file RH-demo.dmg.gz08:00
TomArayaRH-demo.dmg.gz: gzip compressed data, was "RH-demo.dmg", from Unix, max compression08:00
Code_DarkEndGame: was that sarcasm, or... will i seriously hate ubuntu?08:00
membreyaI've had it up to 120 when my cpu fan wasn't connected properly :| lol08:00
EndGameCode_Dark, what have you used before?08:00
geppyTomAraya:  Try opening it in file-roller?08:00
cafuegomembreya: maybe broken ram. Normally indicates some form of hardware malfunction.08:01
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Code_DarkEndGame: slackware08:01
eyequeueTomAraya:  gunzip the file08:01
EndGameyou'll hate it08:01
EndGameyou have my word08:01
EndGametry gentoo08:01
EndGamei love my gentoo08:01
cafuegoEndGame: Bah.08:01
EndGamei love it so much i lurk in this channel and make fun of the hipies08:01
cafuegoGentoo causes global warming.08:01
Code_Darkyeah, i am. wow.08:01
Code_Darkokay, ill use that.08:01
ChipzzEndGame: so why are you here then?08:01
EndGamecause somewhere in my cold dark heart i have hope for this distro08:02
eyequeueCode_Dark:  what aspects of slackware did you most enjoy?08:02
cafuegoEndGame: Did you read the march '05 LJ article about gcc optimisations?08:02
QuaruptNmap went closed source? wtf?08:02
EndGamecafuego, no, linkage?08:02
cafuegoEndGame: paper08:02
Code_Darkeyequeue: well, i dont use x. at all. i liked being able to choose exactly what was on my system, and the do-it-yourself feel.08:02
Echylogtg school bye08:02
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EndGamenoflex, i shall look that up next time i go out of my house08:02
TomArayaeyequeue, when I gunzip (filename) nothing happened. I guess I'll try file-roller.08:02
cafuegoEndGame: Read the bit where it mentions "optimisations may or may not speed things up, it depends entirely on the software"08:02
EndGameCode_Dark, gentoo or linux from scratch08:03
wm_eddieIs it possible to downgrade to Warty?08:03
EndGamecafuego, is this leading to a knock on gentoo?08:03
Code_DarkEndGame: gentoo seems to have some issues installing with me, i got a segfault during the portage extraction08:03
cafuegowm_eddie: I doubt it.08:03
eyequeueCode_Dark:  i'm not an x guy myself, i'm forcing myself to learn.  ubuntu *can* be x-less btw, but gentoo does sound like you'd enjoy it08:03
cafuegoEndGame: No, misguided gentoo users <heh>08:03
EndGameeh, i use gentoo because it doesnt just work (tm)08:04
cafuegoI remember back in '93 we had to compile everything as well.08:04
ChipzzEndGame: I'm really not sure if I have to laugh at gentoo for anyone being so stupid as to run it, or if I have to feel sad for these persons08:04
Code_Darkeyequeue, EndGame - okay, thanks guys. I'll give gentoo another try.08:04
cafuegoAfter 12 years of compiling, I massively CBA.08:04
eyequeueCode_Dark:  if you want x-less ubuntu, choose the custom server install btw08:04
EndGameChipzz, whys that?08:04
Code_Darkeyequeue: hm, k08:04
TomArayaHmmm.. Could not open "RH-demo.dmg"08:04
TomArayaArchive type not supported.08:04
EndGamedmg is for macs, man08:04
ChipzzEndGame: because 90% of the gentoo users dont have a fucking clue but think they do :P08:04
cafuegoTomAraya: it's a disk image for MacOS X.08:05
Chipzzfor instance08:05
EndGameChipzz, damn, thats low :-)08:05
EndGameleast we're not a bunch of hippies08:05
cafuegoChipzz: Conservative estimate, too.08:05
ChipzzEndGame: for the annoyance gentoo users cause and them making general asses out of themselves08:05
TomArayaOh.. wtf..! Initially it was ... RH-demo.dmg.gz.. then I'm not sure what the heck happened.08:05
cafuegoEndGame: What does being a happy have to do with running any kind of OS?08:05
ChipzzI really think gentoo is the biggest piece of crap ever invented08:06
EndGameOS's have everything to do with happiness08:06
bbbmancould anyone help me install mplayer :(08:06
EndGameyou know the suicide rate on windows uses08:06
EndGameits a massive majority08:06
cafuegoSeriously, why would you want to want to be associated with that US Republican distro.08:06
cafuegoMay as well say you're texan.08:06
EndGamehey man, what the hells wrong with being a republican, HIPPIE!08:06
ChipzzEndGame: I would be a lot more happy if gentoo users would keep to themselves and their forums08:07
cafuegoEndGame: Actually, I'm an anarchosyndicalist08:07
EndGamethats a big damn word08:07
Chipzzgentoo just portrays itself as "the cool distro" to newbies, who try it and get a totally wrong image of linux08:07
cafuegowith lots of let-ters.08:07
eyequeueand a noble perspective08:07
EndGameshit, i would never suggest gentoo to someone thats new to linux08:07
EndGamebig mistake08:07
EndGameubuntu is probly great for new linux users08:08
cafuegoAnd experienced users know better.08:08
cafuegoSo why the hell are there people that use it? ;-)08:08
Chipzznewbies thinking they learn something by installing gentoo, but who are actually just copying commands from a manual without understanding what they do08:08
eyequeueEndGame:  i know one that thinks so, yes08:08
EndGamei dunno, i guess they want to fell like they accomplished something with linux08:08
EndGamenot just popped a cd in and ran through an ncurses installation program08:09
cafuegoEndGame: They *didn't* accomplish anything, though.08:09
cafuegoEndGame: They just spent 6 hours doing they could have done in 20 minutes.08:09
timsanyone have plone running on hoary?08:10
ChipzzEndGame: gentoo only has 2 valid uses from my POV: 1) as a fancy buildscript replacing something like jhbuild for developers 2) for *BSD addicts who happen to have hardware that *BSD doesn't support, and who like to use a similar system08:10
EndGameChipzz, you've used gentoo, i assume?08:10
ChipzzI really see no other valid reasons for using gentoo. there is *BSD after all08:10
EndGameim actually looking at giving freebsd a try08:11
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ChipzzEndGame: I've had a lot of negative experience trying to help out newbies who shot themselves in the foot08:11
cafuegoChipzz: MacOS X also has a 'useless gui install' though.08:11
FASTwhats the command to get the PID of a program thats running08:11
EndGameso point them to ubuntu, and make them feel like they can use linux08:11
EndGameFAST: ps -A08:11
EndGameps -A|grep <something or other>08:12
ChipzzEndGame: for some reason hey insist on using gentoo because tghey think it is cool and will make their pc's 200% faster08:12
EndGamegentoo is cool!08:12
FASThad to kill xmmms, and tried open it again but wouldn't launch. worked after killing it first08:12
EndGamei dunno about faster though08:12
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EndGamei mean, i guess if you play your cards right08:12
cafuegoEndGame: How is 'emerge foo' cooler than 'apt-get -b source foo' ?08:13
EndGamebut bitches that are all about some optimization are like people that rice out shitty cars08:13
EndGamei wish i had apt-get08:13
EndGamefor a POS computer, binary packages are the way to go08:13
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cafuegoEndGame: I don't have a POS computer, yet I have no urge to compile everything.08:13
EndGamegentoo is just where i landed, it fits me like a glove, im trying to spread the love.08:13
EndGamewhatever pulls your trigger, man08:14
ChipzzEndGame: I made my debian unstable install start gnome more than twice as fast, not by recompiling anything at all, but by tweaking my X configuration08:14
FASTfor some reason my primary sound device is not working. is there any way to find out why? or to restart it or soemthing>?08:14
cafuegoFAST: Check the mixer settings.08:14
EndGameis your soundcard compiled into your kernel, are you sure you have the module loaded08:15
eyequeueEndGame:  how do you feel when door-to-door evangelists ring your doorbell?08:15
EndGamei think its lsmod08:15
EndGameborn again!08:15
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FASTwell they both worked after first installing ubuntu.  one of them is integrated. one is a pci card. currently, the pci card is working fine.  i trie to change sound output from oss in xmms to go to integrated card, but it froze08:15
eyequeueEndGame:  similar with "spread the love" in other channels, imo08:15
EndGamesee, its the mark of a truely great mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it08:16
EndGameshit, im up in here, i poke fun at you guys, call you hippies, but i see alot of hope in your distro08:16
EndGameive helped people in here08:16
cafuegoEndGame: Entertaining an idea isn't the same as having someone yell their ideas at you all day.08:16
EndGamei put a word in about gentoo here or there08:16
EndGameand all i get is hate08:16
eyequeueEndGame:  hippie is a compliment btw08:16
cafuegoEndGame: That's because of the channel name. Did you notice it?08:16
QuaruptYea they really dont like Gentoo in here08:17
EndGamereally, or just any distro?08:17
QuaruptThere all about .deb and dpkg08:17
FASTsnd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_au8820,snd_intel8x008:17
ChipzzEndGame: there's one thing I keep wondering about - despite the fact that *BSD and Gentoo are so similar, *BSD users seem a lot more informed... How do you explain that?08:17
Quaruptthey hate building anything08:17
OrangeSlicemmm dpkg08:17
cafuegoDisliking gentoo is personal preference. Topicality is not.08:17
FASTsnd_pcm                85540  4 snd_au8820,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss08:17
FASTsnd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm08:17
FASTsnd_mpu401_uart         7296  2 snd_au8820,snd_intel8x008:17
eyequeueEndGame:  i wouldn't recommend proselitizing mandrake in here either, nor suse in #fedora08:18
EndGameman Chipzz, why you knockin a playa's hustle08:18
ChipzzEndGame: that was actually a serious question08:18
EndGameabout the bsd users08:19
EndGamei dunno08:19
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EndGameif i ran bsd and came back, would you get off my case08:19
ChipzzI don't see any freebsd users at all asking stupid question in the newsgroups I follow08:19
Chipzzthere are a shitload of gentoo users who do though08:19
EndGameshit, you dont see me askin some of the shit ive seen in here08:19
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EndGamei help though08:19
EndGamewe all start somewhere08:19
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rj- Depends: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686  but it is not installable08:20
rj-what the hell is going on :/08:20
FASTthere really needs to be some gui programs to allow users to view/control what hardware is connected to their computer08:20
EndGamelspci works like a charm, FAST08:21
rj-I have kernel-image-2.6-38608:21
ChipzzEndGame: there's a lot of other arguments I could make against gentoo to, but they also apply to *BSD (in theory)08:21
eyequeueFAST:  why limit it to gui?  you have a terminal, heh08:21
Chipzzin practice *BSD doesn't *have* any of those problems though08:21
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FASTi'm not interested in using a terminal, having to man <prog> to find info about them. i want buttons and info i can get about the program via the gui08:22
eyequeuerj-:  ubuntu prefers linux-* over kernel-* from debian08:22
eyequeueFAST:  oh well, write something i guess, it's open source08:23
EndGamearguments man, whats the use? so your dad can beat up my dad. i suggest gentoo, help some people in here, and you go off on me08:23
ChipzzI go off on gentoo, not on you personnally08:23
EndGamegood to know :-)08:23
Chipzzit's just that the majority of the gentoo users I meet (not you) pisses the hell out of me08:24
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EndGamewell, its been fun08:24
EndGamei gotta wrap it up08:24
Chipzzme too08:24
EndGameive got a busy day of sleeping to do tomorrow08:24
Chipzzshould get some sleep08:24
rj-eyequeue: thank's i will give it a go.08:24
eyequeuerj-:  np08:25
EndGamesee you guys tomorrw, say hippie time, same hippie place08:25
ChipzzEndGame: good night :)08:25
Greg_has anyone set up the ndiswrapper under ubuntu?08:25
TomArayaGreg_, I have.08:25
Greg_would you mind answering a few questions for a minute?08:26
TomArayaI'll do what I can.08:26
Greg_hehe, thanks08:26
Greg_i'm at a pretty early step08:26
timsI tried to install Gentoo once...08:26
Zanzhello, didn't realize it logged in already08:26
Zanzwho's up for a question or a few?08:26
Greg_a guide i read said it needs to make sure there's a link to the source in the modules directory:08:27
timsBut then I thought, why?08:27
Greg_for /lib/modules/VERSION/build08:27
Greg_it's not there when I installed the base system, and I don't know the path for the source to make the link08:27
Greg_the page i read had said it should be in /usr/src/linux-<version>08:27
Greg_but the only folder in /usr/src/ is rpm08:27
eyequeueZanz:  ask and see08:27
TomArayaYeah.. /usr/src/linux-headers-version08:28
Greg_but there's nothing in /usr/src...08:28
Greg_there's an rpm folder08:28
Greg_that has other empty folders:08:28
TomArayaHeh. I don't know what to say, I actually never made a shortcut to the kernel headers, mainly as I don't really understand what I'm doing.08:28
Greg_BUILD, etc08:28
Greg_hahah, oh08:28
TomArayaAfter I installed GCC, respective headers and restricted modules, and installed NDIS wrapper it worked.08:29
Greg_well, the linux source has to be on there somewhere, right?08:29
Greg_or do i have to copy that from the ubuntu cd?08:30
Zanzok, what is inux-image-2.6.10-3-amd64-generic ?  is that kernel sources?08:30
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TomArayaYou got me.08:30
eyequeueGreg_:  did you "sudo apt-get install linux-source-*" at all?08:30
Greg_i think that'd be the source Zanz08:30
Greg_no, i didn't08:30
Zanzwha'ts the 'image' bit mean?08:30
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raghuGreg_: how did you installl at first time08:31
Greg_i'm dual booting w/ windows XP08:31
eyequeueGreg_:  Zanz: no, that's not the source, that is a compiled kernel image08:31
Greg_so i set up the partitions, installed XP, then just installed ubuntu from an ix86 install cd08:31
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raghuGreg_: you should have /usr/src/rpm .......inside that BUILD    RPMS     SOURCES  SPECS    SRPMS08:31
Greg_that's all i see in there08:32
Zanzis the kernel source on the cd?08:32
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eyequeueGreg_:  "sudo apt-get install linux-source-" should get you a tarball to unpack, in /usr/src/08:32
Zanz-v-2said the other nickname was owned08:32
eyequeueGreg_:  if that's what you want08:33
Greg_does that apt-get command connect somewhere online?08:33
bbbmanif i run the dist-upgrade in Synaptic, doesnt it automaticlly install linux 2.6?08:33
Zanz-v-2eyequeue, would the command be any different if i have an amd 64?08:33
Greg_or does it just put the source tarball in the directory?08:33
BockBilboim about to buy an external 160GB HD08:33
eyequeueZanz-v-2:  the source is the same, the image is the one that differs08:34
BockBilbocan anyone tell me if it will be hard to install it in ubuntu?08:34
Zanz-v-2i think apt get can be set up to get packages from any source, but generally it gets them online08:34
BockBilbo(using usb(08:34
Greg_well i'm not connected to the internet when booted in ubuntu08:34
Greg_'cause the wireless isn't set up, so would that command not work for me eyequeue?08:34
eyequeueGreg_:  your apt-get is probably configured to ask you for the cd in that case08:35
Zanz-v-2oh...hehe i'm doign the same thign greg is i think, i'm trying to get the source so i cna install a module for my wireless08:35
BockBilbowhy dont you configure apt to be able to get stuff from the net?08:35
BockBilboedit /etc/apt/sources.list08:35
eyequeueBockBilbo:  they need their wlan supported first08:35
Zanz-v-2coz me and greg odn't have internet on the linux box08:35
BockBilboand uncoment the08:35
Zanz-v-2i actually ran a calbe out to my router, it's hanging about neck high throug the hallway now...ehhe08:36
BockBilboZanz-v-2, write iwconfig08:36
Zanz-v-2we dont' have the drivers for our wirless bock, have to install taht first08:36
Zanz-v-2and to compile drivers we need kernel sources to complie against08:36
BockBilbois your wireless card supported in ubuntu?08:36
Zanz-v-2not right away, the 'device manager' does'nt even recognize that i have a wireless device in the machine08:37
Zanz-v-2any card will be supported once you get drivers08:37
Zanz-v-2but tha'ts the painful part08:37
BockBilboif there are drivers!08:37
BockBilboi bought a card yesterday... and it didnt work08:37
Zanz-v-2not to hog the scroll08:37
Greg_so eyequeue, if i put in the cd, and run: apt-get install linux-source-<version #>08:38
eyequeueZanz-v-2:  get that source pacakge while you have the wire up08:38
Greg_it'll copy the tarball from the cd?08:38
eyequeueGreg_:  right08:38
Zanz-v-2wireless is linux's main weakness right now08:38
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Greg_ok cool, well i'll give that a try08:38
Zanz-v-2but i give it half a year before drivers come in every distro08:38
Greg_and come back if i don't get it08:38
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eyequeueGreg_:  that's what i'd recommend, that's if the source package is actually on the cd, which i cn't confirm at this moment08:38
Zanz-v-2so far, i'm liking ubunto tho08:38
Zanz-v-2Source package: linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-24).  is that what i want? even for amd64?08:39
BockBilboeyequeue, is it possible to mount an external HD using usb ?08:39
eyequeueBockBilbo:  in linux?  yes, i recall reading about it in 'make menuconfig" (kernel) ... have i ever done it, no08:39
eyequeueZanz-v-2:  yes08:40
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BockBilbobut, initially there will be no problem with it08:40
BockBilboperhaps.. will i be able to mount it mounting sda1?08:40
eyequeueZanz-v-2:  after you *build* a kernel, the linux-image-2-6-10* will have i386 or amd64 or whatever in the name08:40
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Zanz-v-2ok, so the source is the same for either tho?08:41
BockBilboZanz-v-2, yes08:41
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jdouchemannquick question.  for whatever reason, firefox decided to downgrade itself from 1.something to 0.908:41
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eyequeueBockBilbo:  i've never owned one, so not learned much about them.  yes, sda1 would be a reasonable thing to try, especially if you think it's seen as scsi08:42
BockBilbothe difference B/W the amd64 and the i386 is the machine where they have been compiled08:42
eyequeueZanz-v-2:  source code is just text really08:42
Zanz-v-2 ok08:42
BockBilboi guess ill buy it08:42
eyequeueZanz-v-2:  it's on;y compiled binaries that differ08:42
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BockBilbothanks eyequeue08:43
Zanz-v-2my usb thumbdrive always showed up as a scsi drive08:43
Zanz-v-2both of 'em actually08:43
eyequeueBockBilbo:  np, good luck08:43
BockBilbothanks to you too Zanz-v-2 :)08:43
BockBilbogood luck w/ your wireless card08:43
BockBilboi have to go now to college08:43
eyequeueand i to sleep08:44
TomArayaHow do I install Quicktime? I don't see it in Synaptic08:44
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bbbmaninstall mplayer08:45
bbbmanit has support for Quicktime08:45
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jdouchemanndoes anyone have any idea why my firefox downgraded itself from 1.something to 0.9?08:45
bbbmanTomAraya: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9408:45
jdouchemannor did that happen to everyone?08:46
bbbmani think it happend to everyone08:46
Zanz-v-2when you went to hoary?08:46
bbbmanat lest to me08:46
jdouchemannthat'd kind of annoying08:46
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bbbmanim on worty.08:46
Zanz-v-2oh, ok08:46
Zanz-v-2never mind then08:46
jdouchemannyeah me too08:46
jdouchemannalright thanks08:47
TomArayabbbman, I'll try that again, thanks.08:48
TomArayaIs there a way to get .WMV files to play in Firefox like how they did in Internet Explorer?08:49
bbbmanTomAraya, well those directiorns seem to work perfectly for me. Execpt I had to change the wget location to those on the mplayer website08:50
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bbbmanYes there is, at least I believe. You need to configure the firefox mplayer plugin08:51
Zanz-2ok...if i have an ra2500 wireless card, and my device manager shows an ra2500 wirless device, does that mean the driver is installed?08:51
bbbmanIm actually about to start right now, so I'll give you a link08:51
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Zanz-2also, the 'device type' and 'capabilities' field say 'unknown'08:52
bbbmanim not sure zanz08:55
bbbmanim not too knowledgeable about that08:55
Zanz-2some other devices have those fields filled in, so im guessing no driver08:55
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K-Richi've decided linux sucks08:56
K-Richi got my system setup how i want now nothing will breaks so i've nothing to do :/08:57
K-Richtoo productive for me :P08:57
Zanz-2yeah, all that extra time...and i exhausted internet porn08:57
K-Richsame here, i think i even ended with repetative motio... nm not going there08:58
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crimsunyou could always do something crazy like get ubuntu working on alpha :-)08:58
K-Richcrimsun: sure... gonna send me an alpha ?08:58
crimsunsure, got one lying around right here.08:59
K-Richi could always go up to hoary too08:59
K-Richwarty is perfect right now on here08:59
crimsunwarty is nice. hoary is gonna blow it away. ;-)08:59
K-Richcrimsun: i dunno, will the menu issue get fixed?08:59
Zanz-2hoary seems nice so far....except i'm having wicked troubles with my wireless08:59
crimsunK-Rich: which menu issue?09:00
K-Richcrimsun: having to take the long way to change them (adding stuff, removing stuff etc)09:00
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crimsunK-Rich: if you mean editing the menu, no, I don't believe there's an "easy" way like warty's applications:///09:01
K-Richlast time i tried i had to <gasp> edit files by hand </gasp>09:01
K-Richcrimsun: i don't even use that, i just right click and add from there09:01
K-Richcrimsun: that's a major issue imho09:01
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K-Richunless all the packages add themselves to the menu (say hydrogen for instance, avidemux as well)09:02
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Zanz-2i spent a week with mandrake 10.0 trying to get my wierless thing working before i realized the driver was installed all along and all i had to do was use a few console commands to make it go09:02
bwlangi'v just upgrade from debian to ubuntu... and have a few problems to work out...09:02
bwlanghow can i change the x cursor to something better than the old school arrow and clock?09:02
crimsunK-Rich: I presume the majority of those applications are in 'universe'.09:03
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K-Richcrimsun: yeah, but still, be nice to be able to add them to the menu :/09:03
Greg_is eyequeue still here?09:03
Quaruptwhat repository can i get mplayer from?09:03
crimsunK-Rich: if you have lots of time over the next day, grab some applications from universe and shove .desktop files into them ;-)09:04
crimsunQuarupt: for warty or hoary?09:04
K-Richbwlang: i've wondered that myself, there was an app i seen on gnome-files.org that was suppost to allow that easily though let me look for you.09:04
crimsunQuarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats09:04
Quaruptis there something I can run to chnage my build from Warty to Horay?09:04
Greg_is it possible to get the linux-source w/o being connected to the internet, if i have the ubuntu cd?09:04
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crimsunGreg_: apt-cache policy linux-source-
K-Richcrimsun: i noticed your repository was down a while the other day... system update?09:05
Greg_i do that w/ the cd inserted crimsun?09:05
crimsunK-Rich: it's not my box; /var is on a raid, and one of the drives died.09:05
K-Richback up now though :)09:05
crimsunyes, thanks to my illustrious friend, Primer09:06
crimsunGreg_: yup09:06
Quaruptcrimsun, that site says how to play wmv, but now where to get the actual application mplayer09:06
crimsunGreg_: although it's not required as long as you have a recent cache09:06
Greg_thanks, i'll give it a shot09:06
crimsunQuarupt: sure it does. Read the repositories info carefully.09:07
K-Richbwlang: http://www.gnomefiles.com/app.php?soft_id=12509:07
crimsunGreg_: as long as you ran apt-get update recently, you don't necessarily need the CD inserted to pull policy info09:07
Greg_i need the source locally, so i can make a link to it and use the ndiswrapper to setup my wireless network card on ubuntu09:07
Greg_i don't want policy info, i want the source09:07
crimsunGreg_: you will need the CD inserted, of course, to retrieve and to install the actual -source package09:07
Greg_what do i type to get the source from the cd?09:08
QuaruptOh i se it09:08
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Zanz-2rpms don't do much good for ubuntu to they?09:08
QuaruptSo can i upgrade my build to Horay, or do i need to reinstall completely?09:08
K-Richwith alien they do09:08
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Greg_the step i'm at for the ndiswrapper is      create a link to the source by doing:      ln -s /usr/src/linux-<kernel version> /lib/modules/
K-RichQuarupt: yes you can... one sec for url09:09
Greg_but my /usr/src folder only has rpms in it crimsun, so you're saying if i cd into /usr/src09:09
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Greg_and type apt-cache policy linux-source- it'll get the source and put it in /usr/src?09:09
crimsunGreg_: sudo aptitude install linux-source-
pereHi. What is the best program to use for listening to net radio?09:10
crimsunGreg_: though if you need to compile external headers, you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential09:10
membreya_pere: Music Player09:10
K-RichQuarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary09:10
crimsunGreg_: compile external kernel modules, rather09:10
TomArayabbbman, are you still around?09:11
QuaruptCAn i change firefox, so that when a link needs to open a new window, it opens another tab instead of another instance of firefox?09:11
Zanz-2can you get wirless modules with apt get?09:11
K-RichZanz-2: alien <rpm-package> = conver to deb09:11
TomArayaI was going through the mplayer installation you sent me, but when I get to the last apt-get this happens09:11
TomArayadavid@kalakat:~ $ sudo apt-get install libpng-dev09:11
TomArayaReading Package Lists... Done09:11
TomArayaBuilding Dependency Tree... Done09:11
TomArayaPackage libpng-dev is a virtual package provided by:09:11
TomAraya  libpng12-dev
TomArayaYou should explicitly select one to install.09:11
TomArayaE: Package libpng-dev has no installation candidate09:11
crimsunZanz-2: some, yes: linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)09:11
K-RichQuarupt: under the advanced options09:12
crimsunTomAraya: (you need to install libpng12-dev)09:12
Zanz-2does that give me a list?09:12
Zanz-2console is busy installing sources09:12
membreya_Quarupt: go to Edit > Preferences > Advanced and go to the tabbed browsing option09:12
membreya_select "a new tab in the most recent window"09:12
crimsunZanz-2: there's info on the wiki regarding which wireless chipsets are supported09:12
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TomArayacrimsun, sudo apt-get install libpng12-dev ?09:12
Zanz-2is there infor for hoary?09:13
crimsunTomAraya: sure09:13
peremembreya_: Thanks a lot. It is even working directly...:-) BTW: Is there a way of bulk adding radio stations, or do you add them one by one?09:13
K-RichQuarupt: Edit>Preferences>Advanced Tabbed Browsing09:13
maji'm trying the live cd and can't get shoutcast.com feeds to work09:13
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TomArayacrimsun, and then try the last apt-get that failed?09:13
membreya_pere: haven't tried that much yet09:13
QuaruptK-Rich, Im sorry but i dont understand that page, you linked for me, all i have to do is change my sources and the do apt-get update and apr-get upgrade?09:14
K-RichQuarupt: basiclly yeah09:14
crimsunTomAraya: no need, libpng12-dev provides what you need09:14
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K-RichQuarupt: i persoinally still run warty though09:14
TomArayacrimsun, OK.09:14
TomArayaIt didn't work anyway after I tried it again.09:15
Quarupti duont understand what it means "To install Hoary, you may edit your /etc/apt/sources.list configuration file to replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary.' You can then go aboutupdating and upgrading to Hoary with apt, aptitude or synaptic as you would normally".09:15
crimsunQuarupt: replace all instances of the string "warty" with "hoary"09:16
Quaruptjust do a find and replace "Warty" to "Horay"09:16
Quaruptin that file?09:16
peremembreya_: OK. No big deal... I got some music for my work here without starting to download mp3's, and that is what is improtant. Thanks.09:16
crimsunTomAraya: error->#flood09:16
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Quaruptlets give it a try09:16
Zanz-2there is also a url to download hoary iso's09:16
Zanz-2but i forgot it09:16
K-RichQuarupt: then 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'09:16
michelHi everyone !09:17
micheli'm searching for a good P2P program for Ubuntu09:18
johnnybezakmichel: use giFT09:18
johnnybezakmichel: gift.sourceforge.net09:18
QuaruptK-Rich, can i PM you, cause i dont think i did it right09:19
Zanz-2any tv tuner programs?09:19
OrangeSliceshould be a few of those09:19
johnnybezakmichel: you can get the gift daemon, and gnutella and openft plugins from synaptic09:19
OrangeSlicesearch freshmeat.net09:19
Quarupti did find and replace in that file and it found 7 occurances and replaced them, then i did apt-get update, and it had tons of errors09:19
K-RichQuarupt: sure09:19
TomArayaWhen I try to use http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 to install mplayer, I get 404 errors when I use the wget commands.09:19
membreya_Zanz-2: I use tvtime..but you can also use mythtv09:19
johnnybezakmichel: you'll have to get the fasttrack (kazaa) plugin off the web09:19
johnnybezakTomAraya: the codecs have been updated, so the address is wrong09:19
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johnnybezakTomAraya: go to the mplayerhq homepage and download them manually09:20
johnnybezakTomAraya: it wont affect the rest of the how to09:20
Greghey crimsun, that didn't work09:20
crimsunGreg: which part?09:20
michelthanks a lot Johnny09:20
Gregi don't know if i specified before though, that when booted in ubuntu, i'm not connected to the internet09:20
Gregi did sudo aptitude install linux-source-
majis there a list of ubuntu apt-repositories ?09:21
Gregand it went through the steps w/o error, but said there were 0 updates to install, so it pretty much did nothing09:21
johnnybezakmichel: no probs09:21
michelhave a good day09:21
Gregcrimsun: i found on the ubuntu cd the source header files, i think in   pool/main/l/linux-source-
crimsunGreg: what are you trying to do?09:22
Gregthere are 2 header files and one image file09:22
Gregi'm trying to install the ndiswrapper so i can setup my wireless network card under ubuntu09:22
Gregi'm dual booting, so i'm running XP right now09:23
Zanz-2what card?09:23
Gregone that's in the list09:23
GregNetgear WG31109:23
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bbbmanTomAraya, Once you get everything configured with mplayer, goto http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4098&postcount=1209:23
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bbbmanthat will explain how to get it to run in mozilla seemlessley09:23
Gregthe first step in the process was to go into the ndiswrapper folder, and type make09:23
Noob1i am extremely new to linux09:23
crimsunGreg: you shouldn't need to compile anything...09:23
membreya_Greg: if you're running hoary you wouldn't have a problem with WG31109:24
Noob1i need help starting the think09:24
crimsunGreg: just install ndiswrapper-utils09:24
Gregbut when it does that it's looking for /lib/modules/
Noob1i have just installed ubuntu09:24
Noob1and now i am in a command prompt09:24
bbbmanwhats your problem noobl09:24
Noob1and am stuck09:24
bbbmanget to a prompt09:24
johnnybezakNoob1: what does the prompt say09:24
bbbmanand type startx to bring up xwindows09:24
Gregso what do i type to install jus the wrapper-utils crimsun?09:24
Noob1name@ubuntu ~ @09:25
Noob1name@ubuntu ~ $09:25
johnnybezaktype startx09:25
Noob1does not work?09:25
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johnnybezakwhat does it say?09:25
Zanz-2download the packages in windows tho greg, if you don't have an internet connection apt get won't be able to find anything09:25
Noob1command not found09:25
Noob1i just installed it09:25
Noob1then i restart09:25
Noob1and i login09:25
Gregyea, i have the ndiswrapper and the windows drivers for the card on the ubuntu partition Zanz-209:25
johnnybezaktry this09:25
Noob1and enter password09:26
crimsunGreg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper09:26
Noob1then i am stuck09:26
Noob1kk sec09:26
bbbmanwhat happens when it boots up? are you in a windows enviroment09:26
johnnybezaktype what i just wrote09:26
johnnybezakbbbman: i dont think he is09:26
Gregyea, i've read that crimsun09:26
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bbbmanhey guys, when i goto dist-upgrade, does it upgrade my warty to linux 2.609:26
Gregso i don't have to type make you mean?09:27
Noob1no such file or directoyry09:27
Gregjust go into the folder, and do ndiswrapper -i <the .inf file>09:27
bbbmanmabey you shuold re install ubuntu and select to install x windows? not sure09:27
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Noob1i am gonna cry09:27
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raghubbbmen: which version of kernel you have?09:28
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Gregeven though i haven't installed the ndiswrapper-utils through the package manager, since i'm not connected to the internet in ubuntu?09:28
Noob1ran updates on ubuntu all night09:28
raghubbbmen: #uname -a09:28
Noob1does anyone else know how to start linux?09:28
membreya_Noob1: dial up? :P09:28
crimsunGreg: if you've installed the package, then continue with the howto09:28
Gregi'm saying i didn't install the package in ubuntu09:29
Gregi downloaded the source for the package under windows09:29
Gregthen just put it on a disk, and copied it over when booted in ubuntu09:29
bbbmanLinux Box
Gregso don't i still have to do make and make install first before i can run ndiswrapper ?09:29
Gregwhen i do the make step, that's when it looks for the /lib/modules/
Noob1does ur ubuntu go straight in09:30
bbbmanraghu, nevermind :) so warty comes with 2.4, but i have upgraded it to 2.6 already without rebooting through synaptic?09:30
bbbmanor does warty come with 2.609:30
crimsunGreg: no, you don't need to. That's what I'm saying. Ubuntu includes those kernel modules already.09:30
Noob1or do u have to type something to get in?09:30
crimsunbbbman: (warty comes with
Gregok, so crimsun, you mean just go in and type ndiswrapper in the folder?09:30
Gregto run it and install the files09:30
crimsunGreg: if you've already installed the ndiswrapper-utils package, yes09:31
crimsunGreg: just follow the instructions on that howto09:31
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Gregi know, i think you missed something i said09:31
Gregi didn't actually INSTALL the package09:31
Gregi just copied the source file09:31
Gregi never typed make install or anything like that09:31
johnnybezakNoob1: type whereis startx and tell me what it says09:32
crimsunGreg: on the cd, look in pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/09:32
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Gregi didn't realize that was on the cd09:32
Greg*slaps head*09:32
Noob1does not work09:32
Gregthanks, i'll giv eit a shot09:32
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johnnybezakNoob1: what does it say?09:32
Noob1command not found09:32
johnnybezaktype cd /usr/bin/X1109:33
Noob1-bash: startx : command not found09:33
johnnybezakthen type ls09:33
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johnnybezakhaha no Noob1: type "whereis startx"09:33
Noob1no usr directory ?09:33
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wellyHello all.. just a quick question regarding open source, if someone has a minute and doesn't mind an off topic question! someone is making the argument that making the source code available for software, browsers for example, makes it open to security risks.. i kind of understand the argument against but can't quite put it into words09:33
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raghuNoob1: type sudo startx09:34
johnnybezakwelly: open source means people check the code and can change security vulnerabilities09:34
crimsunwelly: are you looking at the pros or the cons of having the source freely and publicly available?09:34
Zanz-2actually for the most part it helps security holes get patched faster09:34
Noob1it asks for password09:34
johnnybezaktype your password09:34
bbbmanwell welly, open source allows people to look over the source and find any bugs or exploits, while closed source means obviously less people will be able to check it09:34
raghutype that user password you logged in09:34
Zanz-2see, evil nasty hackers will find security holes in both closed source and open source...with open source, non evil nasty hackers are able to find them as well09:35
wellysorry back again.. yeah, looking for the pros and cons really.. or pro's even09:35
crimsunwelly: as johnnybezak and Zanz-2 have both stated, having the source available corresponds to security-savvy open source programmers patching the vulnerabilities much faster09:35
TomArayajohnnybezak, bbbman, thank-you.09:35
Noob1command not found09:35
johnnybezakTomAraya: no worries09:35
raghuNoob1: what command?09:35
Zanz-2the bad guys will always be able to find the holes, good guys might as well be able to also09:35
wellythis guy is making the argument that if the source code is available for firefox then a potential hacker can see how the security for say ssl is implemented and use that to their advantage09:35
johnnybezakNoob1: type "whereis startx"09:36
Zanz-2he could do taht with closed source also, you can decompile and reverse engineer software, it's illegal in the US i beleive09:36
Noob1it does nothing09:36
membreya_pere: still around??09:36
Zanz-2but if you're hacking malignatly, you'll do it anyways09:36
Noob1jsut says startx:09:36
johnnybezaktype ls /usr/bin/X1109:36
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raghuNoob1: apt-get install xbase-clients09:37
Noob1NO such file or directory09:37
johnnybezakNoob1: do what raghu just said that will install the graphical system for you09:37
raghuNoob1: hah install apt-get install x-window-system09:37
Noob1how ?09:37
Noob1i am so new to this09:37
raghuNoob1: apt-get install x-window-system09:38
crimsunwelly: well, to be pedantic toward the guy with whom you're conversing, firefox relies on external (system) libssl09:38
raghuNoob1: then09:38
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raghuNoob1: apt-get install gnome09:38
raghuNoob1: how did you installed ubuntu09:38
raghuNoob1: how did you installed ubuntu?09:38
Noob1from cd?09:38
Noob1INvalid operation install09:39
raghuNoob1: i think while installing you ahve chosen install package from internet09:39
Noob1have i done something wrong09:39
Noob1it did it by itelf09:39
Noob1must i reinstall?09:39
raghuNoob1: yes...better09:39
johnnybezakit won't take long09:40
Noob1thanks alot for ur help09:40
raghuNoob1: it will ask for download package from internet say no to it09:40
johnnybezakNoob1: dont worry you'll get through it :)09:40
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Noob1reinstalling now09:40
wartyblje cuuaks pipeles taadi nahuj man mbr nopisaas deelj juusu debilaasdistras???09:40
raghuNoob1: all the best ..go ahead09:40
Zanz-2does hoary have a partition manager?09:41
Noob1i might have an older version of ubuntu09:41
Noob1not syre09:41
membreya_Zanz-2: qpart09:41
wartyubuntu sux ;-//09:41
Noob1got it from my university09:41
raghuNoob1: applies for all09:41
wartyit killed my mbr09:41
HcEThere is a cow jumping on my screen :D09:41
membreya_no warty...you killed it :)09:41
Zanz-2you can't dual boot warty?09:41
membreya_lol HcE09:41
wartyfck fck fck09:42
membreya_Zanz-2: course you can09:42
wartyI1ll return to slackware09:42
membreya_bye then warty :P09:42
johnnybezakwarty: good luck with that09:42
Zanz-2the warty installer has a problem with the installer, it wouldnt let me flag 2 partitions for boot09:42
membreya_Zanz-2: of course not09:42
Zanz-2someone mentioned it was a known issue09:42
membreya_only one partition can boot :|09:42
johnnybezakdam trolls :P09:43
membreya_otherwise your system would be like WTF?!09:43
Zanz-2with warty grub only recognized my linux install, the windows install never registered with it09:43
membreya_Zanz-2: that's fixed in hoary :)09:43
membreya_but you just need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst manually09:43
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Zanz-2now it's installing 2.6.11 sources09:44
Zanz-2taking forever09:45
Noob1NO root file system?09:45
Noob1please correct this from the partitioning menu09:45
Zanz-2yeah, you gotta pick a partition and make it root09:46
Zanz-2wich is just the:  /09:46
Zanz-2i have a / and a swap and /home09:46
Noob1it gives me swap m physical volume , and raid options ?09:47
Zanz-2nah, no need to mess with raid09:47
Zanz-2do you only have linux on that machine?  it's not sharing with windows?09:47
neomI got hula running on ubuntu tonight. :D09:47
johnnybezakNoob1: did you just accept all the defaults?09:47
johnnybezakneom: whats it like?09:47
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Noob1well i have a partition for linux09:48
Noob1and swap09:48
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neomjohnnybezak - it's wicked cool.09:48
Noob1must it be ext3 or 2 format?09:48
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Zanz-2or reiser, but i haven't heard anything good about that (nothing bad either)09:48
neomZanz-2 - http://www.hula-project.org/Hula_Server09:48
Zanz-2ext3 or 2 for your normal filesyste, yeah09:48
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johnnybezakneom: what are you using it for?09:49
johnnybezakNoob1: use ext309:49
neomjohnnybezak - Mailserver.09:49
johnnybezakneom: web mail?09:49
neomjohnnybezak - Yup.09:49
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Noob1still cant set up root file system?09:50
johnnybezakneom: awesome09:50
Noob1where is the option09:50
johnnybezakis there an install guide on the wiki?09:50
johnnybezakNoob1: make the partition for linux where your root filesystem is09:50
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neomjohnnybezak - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/02/16/installing09:51
neomjohnnybezak - I have a test account set up if you want to take a look around.09:51
Noob1ok hmmm09:52
Zanz-2ok: linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) didn't work09:52
Noob1#1 primary 33.5gb ntfs09:52
johnnybezakneom: nah thats ok man, i still havent set up my mta yet but am looking forward to giving it a spin09:52
Noob1#1 primary 6.1gb ext309:52
Noob1#2 primary 6.1gb ext3 i mean09:52
Noob1#3 primary 256mb swap09:52
neomAre you trying to mount an ntfs drive to ubuntu?09:52
TomArayaArgh.. after trying to install Mplayer.. this happens when running it09:53
TomArayamplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0.4.9-pre1: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen09:53
Noob1trying to install ubuntu on ext3 patitiion09:53
Noob1cant create root09:53
Noob1file system09:53
neomDoes it give a more spesific error?09:53
neomOr just "cannot create root"?09:54
Noob1Root file system not found09:54
Noob1NO root file system is defined09:54
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Noob1i have no idea hwo to cr8 one in the installer09:54
Noob1oh wait09:55
Noob1think i got it09:55
Noob1linux is so hard09:55
neomDid you create a journal on the ext3 part?09:55
Noob1i got it09:55
Noob1didnt set mount point09:55
Noob1do u guys program in linux ?09:56
Noob1or wat do u use it for ?09:56
Noob1no lol === look at my nicik09:56
Noob1i am noob09:56
Noob1to linux09:56
neomFair enough.09:56
neomAt least you are trying it.09:56
QuaruptI think its safe to say at least 80 of paid programmers arent running windows on there home machines, or at least not windows alone09:57
Noob1hey ,,, we gotta start somewhere09:57
Noob1i am doing programming09:57
Zanz-2does aptget work with wild cards?09:57
Noob1but started cpp this year09:57
Noob1so wanan uses linux09:57
neomI think maybe the closest thing to coding in linux would be writing bash programs.. maybe.09:57
johnnybezakNoob1: don't worry every one starts looking at their installer going "WTF!!!"09:57
Noob1do u guys know cpp09:57
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Noob1how well i mean09:58
johnnybezakneom: are you using hula as your MTA?09:58
Zanz-2only thing i've done is a webpage with a text editor09:58
Noob1i have to get to know gcc09:58
johnnybezakive done bash scripting :P09:58
Quaruptgcc is just a compiler not an actuall invirmomenty09:58
Quaruptbut yes get to know it09:58
neomjohnnybezak yes.09:58
neomIt uses nmap as the agent.09:59
neomIt's a novell backend.09:59
johnnybezakneom: was it much work getting it configured?09:59
Noob1i have to make a 3d game by july for this module09:59
neomVery very little.09:59
johnnybezakneom: ok09:59
Noob1in C++09:59
TomArayaI just downloaded a game with the extension .run... what do I do to extract it? I tried to google for .RUN files but no dice...09:59
Noob1i am gonna die09:59
Zanz-2sh (filename).run?10:00
johnnybezakneom: whats it like on resources, could i install it on an old p.o.s?10:00
QuaruptTomAraya, did ya try chmod a+x then ./sh file.RUN10:00
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TomArayaQuarupt, no. I will though.10:00
Noob163% installed10:01
felisa+x will set the execute permission for everyone, which isn't needed. just do a chmod +x instead.10:01
neom.run is an amos file iirc.10:01
Zanz-2oh, java10:01
Zanz-2i think .run runs under java VM10:01
Zanz-2i found an irc client that was like that10:01
Zanz-2it sucked tho10:01
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TuxicityI moved the top GNOME panel to the left side and now I cant move it back! help...10:02
TomArayaarmyops230-linux.run is the full name10:02
neomjview might run it.10:02
Zanz-2so i deleted any mention of xchat in my registry and said 'screw the trial period'10:02
TomArayaso I would type 'chmod +x ./sh armyops230-linux.run'?10:03
neomI don't think xing it will help anyway, tbh.10:03
Zanz-2i'm trying apt-get and getting 'invalid operation'10:03
Noob1ok guys10:03
johnnybezakTomAraya: just type sh then the filename it will work10:03
TomArayaIt's some FPS game that someone said was good in a Ubuntu forum.10:04
Noob1i have an off topic question10:04
Noob1but it really bothers me10:04
johnnybezakTomAraya: tis pretty sweet10:04
TomArayajohnnybezak, thanks, I'll try that.10:04
Quaruptsudo chmod a+x /dir/dir/File.Run  then sudo sh ./file.run10:04
Noob1does anyone have an LG laptop?10:04
QuaruptBe in the dir in the second step10:04
TomArayaI'm in the dir10:04
neomZanz-2 sudo apt-get install?10:04
Zanz-2oh yeah10:04
Noob1LG LM50 laptop10:04
Noob1anyone ?10:04
Quarupthe needs to change the permissions to run it as a ormal user10:04
Quaruptcause its a game10:04
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Zanz-2forgot the install bit10:05
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Zanz-2does ubunto have an ap to move the image on the monitor left and right as well as change the resolution?10:06
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tonyAnyone able to help setting up a connection via vpn over wlan?10:06
Quaruptman ap10:06
johnnybezakresolution can be done with the gnome control center10:06
johnnybezakdont know about the position10:06
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Zanz-2only one instance of apt-get at a time?10:06
Quaruptyea cause it locks the vars when its updating them10:07
TomArayajohnnybezak, I tried that.. it's been verifying the archive integrity for a while.... hmm now it's uncompressing.. will I need to anything with the chmod command at the end?10:07
Zanz-2oh well, just don't want to have to move it back and forth when i boot into windows and back again10:07
Quaruptthe file name10:07
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johnnybezakTomAraya: the chmod command makes it an "executable" the sh armyops will start the installer for you10:08
johnnybezakTomAraya: just follow the prompts10:08
Quaruptjust type sudo chmod a+x ./filename.run10:08
TomArayajohnnybezak, good enough.10:08
johnnybezakTomAraya: you are just running the installer aren't you?10:08
johnnybezakTomAraya: you can make the actual program executable10:08
Quarupthe cant execute a shell script that root owns as a user unless it has been x'd10:09
TomArayaYeah, that's kinda over my head.10:09
TomArayaAll I wanted to do was download and play the game.. hehe. Sorry for my ignorance.10:09
TomArayaAll I did was type sh ./filename and it's doing its thing now.10:09
neomNot ignorance. :)10:10
Zanz-2is there a gui for partition management and mounting drives?10:10
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QuaruptZanz-2, QTparted10:10
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Quaruptnot for mounting that i know of10:11
Zanz-2how do i run qtparted?10:11
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Quaruptapt-get qtparted10:12
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Quarupti think its in universe though10:12
Zanz-2oh, apt-get is busy10:12
TomArayajohnnybezak, is that typically how programs will be installed, downloading them and then sh ./filename?10:12
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QuaruptTomAraya, For me its mostly apt-get install10:13
TomArayaQuarupt, *nod* but this game wasn't in any of the repositories.10:13
Quaruptbut for source it can be ./configure then ./make then sudo ./make installed10:13
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Quaruptif its source10:14
Quaruptbut if they have a binary or a script then just what you did ya10:14
Quaruptno ed on installed10:14
TomArayaSo if it's binary or a script then when I did works10:14
TomArayahowever if it is source you use configure and make and make installed?10:14
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neomDoes anyone know if you can mount an ntfs drive across a network by literally mounting it? (aka not using a samba browser?)10:15
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Quaruptmost of the time it has instructions10:15
johnnybezakTomAraya: when youre lucky thats how they install :)10:15
jsgotangcohello all10:15
johnnybezakTomAraya: typically when vendors want to package something to work on different distro's (like nvidia with their three d drivers) theyll package them like that10:16
johnnybezakTomAraya: way better than installing from source anyway :)10:16
QuaruptI wish ATI would follow suite10:16
johnnybezakjust don't buy ati cards for linux :)10:17
QuaruptATI better hardware waek support10:17
jsgotangcoyeah it sucks man10:17
QuaruptNvidia Weak Hardwear great support10:17
jsgotangcomy mobility radeon is useless in linux10:17
jsgotangcoso i cant cedega at all10:17
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Quaruptmy Hoary upgrade is almost done10:18
TomArayaI have an older Nvidia card..10:18
HcEjsgotangco: my fireGL 9000 mobile works good in Linux10:18
jsgotangcohow do you do that?10:18
TomArayaI guess from bash now I just type in 'armyops' now10:18
QuaruptANyone know if ya can set up custom ctcp replies in xchat?10:18
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Quaruptyou might have to x it try it first10:18
jsgotangcoi have a mobility radeon 9000 here10:18
johnnybezakTomAraya: is that what the installer said10:18
johnnybezakmy nvidia gf4ti4200 was a pretty sweet card for the price10:19
TomArayaTHe installer just said 'click here to install' and then it told me what directory it had installed to.10:19
HcEjsgotangco: I use the fglrx driver10:19
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HcEjsgotangco: it works good for me in enemy territory10:19
jsgotangcoill look into the howto10:19
QuaruptTime to reboot... lets see how Hoary looks10:20
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membreya_Quarupt: no different :P10:20
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jsgotangcoyou think hoary final would have clearlooks hehehe10:20
TomArayayeah apparently in its in home/homedir/armyops ... but armyops doesn't work and typing which armyops doesn't seem to do anything either10:20
Quaruptvery different10:21
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Jerubhi. How do I play DVDs under ubuntu?10:22
monoxidewow.... so many updates...10:23
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Nackguess whos back10:23
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jsgotangcoJerub i'll point you to a howto10:23
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Nacki am Noob110:24
bwlangi think there is a bug in the packaging of qcad... where do i report this?10:24
jsgotangcoJerub: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1298810:24
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Nacki have more problem s10:25
Nacki am in ubuntu now10:25
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Nackbut ...10:25
jsgotangcowhat problems?10:25
aleitnerwow, 'update-manager' shows many hoary packages have new versions today... is this because of the freeze tomorrow (; ?10:25
Nackcant set up wireless network10:25
jsgotangcoi havent set up mine either10:25
jsgotangcoi blame my centrino chipset10:26
Nackthe program jammes10:26
Nackwhen i set it up?10:26
Nacki have centrino chipset10:26
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jsgotangcorealtek drivers suck hard10:27
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Nackdoes anyone else have the same problem?10:27
Nacknetwork-admin has quit unexpectedly10:27
jsgotangcosome use ndiswrapper10:27
jsgotangcojeezz that ATI fgrlx howto is scary10:28
Tuxicityjsgotangco, bah, did it my eyes closed |-)10:29
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jsgotangcothanks for the encouragement :P10:30
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TuxicityHelp me please with my GNOME panel problem...10:30
JimSinzigerUhm... I downloaded the Ubuntu-Iso two times, checked the md5sums (they were right) and burnt it. Then I checked the md5-file on the cd. Both times the program told me, that it can't find 18 files. They all are expected to be in the folders .\dists\testing\ or .\dists\local\. Those folders don't exist on both CDs at all, there are only the files .\dists\local and .\dists\testing. Is there a mistak10:30
JimSinzigere in the md5-file? I find it strange, that both times exactly the same happens although the iso-file was correct...10:30
Jeruboaky, that worked, thankyou10:31
Jerubeasier to get dvd playing working on linux than windows.10:31
jsgotangcothat's nice to know hehehe10:31
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jsgotangcothere is always an uban myth that windows play dvds by default10:32
Jerubtoo bad my linux machine is almost too slow to play them.10:32
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K-RichQuarupt: woot!10:32
TuxicityHow can I move the GNOME panel?10:33
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Quaruptbut it changed my resolution down to 1024x76810:33
QuaruptThanks for all the help K-Rich10:33
scizzoTuxicity: click on it and move it10:33
K-RichQuarupt: you know how to edit the xf86config file no?10:33
Nackhas anyone set up a wireless network10:33
Tuxicityscizzo, there is no blank place where I can click10:33
Zanz-2ok, what should i type to try and get wireless drivers with apt get?10:34
Nackwith centrino chipset ?10:34
Nacki cant get the program to run10:34
Nackthe network-admin10:34
Nackit jammes?10:34
Tuxicityscizzo, I accidentaly moved it to the left side10:34
jsgotangcohave you tried ndiswrapper?10:34
Nackwher do i find that ?10:34
Tuxicityscizzo, now the launchers icons are huge and I cant put it back on top10:35
jsgotangcowell its a separate package and you use your windows drivers10:35
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Nackoh ok10:35
jsgotangcosome people have good success with it10:35
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Zanz-2will i need any libraries for compiling a wireless driver?10:36
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Tuxicityscizzo, oh, just got it, thnks anyways10:36
JerubZanz-2: probably at least the kernel headers.10:36
monoxideanyone know why there are so many hoary updates today?10:36
JerubZanz-2: and the kernel build depends.10:36
Jerubmonoxide: becuase people have been wokring hard?10:36
Zanz-2so apt-get install headers or something?10:37
Jerubkernel-headers I think.10:37
Jeruband apt-get build-dep kernel-image10:37
TuxicityFYI, my problem is solved :)10:37
JerubI think10:37
jsgotangcowireless in linux is crazy at the moment10:37
jsgotangcobut its getting there10:37
Quaruptwhats the dpkg command to reconfigure x server?10:38
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bwlangQuarupt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg10:39
monoxideJerub, heh. programmers working hard? :P (noone get offended plz, i am one and i enjoy making fun of myself)10:39
monoxidejsgotangco, how crazy is "crazy"?10:39
Nackthe strang thing is it ran the internat update think in the installer10:40
jsgotangcowell not as crazy as before wherethere is no support10:40
Nacknow i have no network at all??/10:40
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monoxidei am getting a wireless pci card for my comp10:41
monoxideQuarupt, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(xorg|xfree86) depending on which you are using ;)10:42
Quaruptdoes Hoary not support higher res's then 1024x768?10:42
membreya_Quarupt: yes it does10:42
jsgotangcoit does of course10:42
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Zanz-2do you have your graphics card drivers installed yet?10:43
K-Richgnight all i'm outta here !10:43
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Quaruptweird i upgraded from Warty to Hoary and my res went down to 10x76 and it wont go higher10:43
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Zanz-2what does $make do instead of make10:44
Quarupthow can i restrt gtk w/o restarting mah box?10:44
^majik^er, I believe the '$' represents the shell prompt10:45
Zanz-2ooooh, ok10:45
^majik^when you see something like that, it simply means to type the following command at the shell prompt10:45
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membreya_I'm running 1152x864 as we speak10:46
membreya_gtk or gdm Quarupt ? :P10:46
Zanz-2make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.10:47
Zanz-2rt2500.ko failed to build!10:47
Zanz-2make: *** [module]  Error 110:47
Quaruptjust gdm restart?10:47
Quaruptdid ya run the ./configure first?10:47
Zanz-2its not mentioned in the readme...ok tho10:47
Quaruptwell dont then10:47
Zanz-2 ./configure: No such file or directory10:47
QuaruptHoary has a built in torrent client AWESOME10:48
Zanz-2i'm officially lost now10:49
Quaruptyou are most likey missing a depend10:49
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^majik^Zanz-2: oh, well if you're compiling something, chances are they won't tell you that in the readme, as compiling is sort of advanced, and putting a note about this in there probably didn't even cross the author's mind  ;-)10:49
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^majik^Zanz-1: that is, about the '$' prompt10:50
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^majik^Zanz-2: that is, about the '$' prompt10:50
jsgotangcooh my gawd someone forwarded me a Happatai video10:51
jsgotangcoi couldnt stop laughing10:51
membreya_Quarupt: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart10:51
membreya_azureus is always better Quarupt :P10:51
^majik^Zanz-2: to explain the "./configure".. "configure" is either a script or program (a script in this case), which can be executed (or run, even) by being in the directory it's in and then doing either ". configure" or "./configure" (in most cases though, I believe you'll want to use the "./" style)10:53
^majik^Zanz-2: but.. if you wish to execute a command that's listed in your PATH, then you could just issue it as, for example, "ls" ("ls" is to list files/directories)10:54
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Quaruptthat worked10:54
Zanz-2there's no script for the ./configure on this module tho10:55
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^majik^Zanz-2: the readme/install file told you to run configure right?  and you're sure you're in the correct directory, as per the readme10:56
Zanz-2nope, didn't mention configure10:56
^majik^Zanz-2: oh, well then why are ya trying to configure something that might not be "configure"able  ;-)10:57
Zanz-2coz the instructions didn't work10:57
Zanz-2make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.10:57
^majik^Zanz-2: btw, README files can sometimes, but don't have to contain the installation instructions.  these can sometimes be found in an INSTALL file, or similar10:58
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Zanz-2For 2.4 or 2.6 series kernel:10:59
Zanz-2a. $tar -xvzf rt2500-x.x.x.tar.gz10:59
Zanz-2    go to "./rt2500-x.x.x/Module" directory.10:59
Zanz-2b. $make                # compile driver source code10:59
Zanz-2c. $make install# installs kernel module driver10:59
Zanz-2but it won't work10:59
^majik^Zanz-2: ah ok, ok.  what is it you're trying to install now?  a kernel, or kernel module?10:59
Zanz-2drivers for at rt2500 wireless card10:59
^majik^Zanz-2: ok.11:00
^majik^Zanz-2: lets talk in private for a bit, if you don't mind.  (so as not to flood the channel here, with output that I request)11:00
Zanz-2build-essential....i bet that helps11:00
Quaruptrhythmbox says that something is using my sound card, but i did killall esd and it still says it?11:01
QuaruptI want custom ctcp replies11:02
spaceyctcp replies from your soundcard?11:03
Quaruptfrom xchat11:03
Quarupti now ya can do it somehow11:03
spaceywell then configure it so11:03
Quarupti dunno how11:03
Quarupti looked11:03
spaceySEttings > advanced > ctcp replies11:03
spaceyits there11:03
Quaruptoh i see11:03
Quaruptcan i change version11:04
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Quaruptwhat client can you change all the replies11:05
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Quaruptanyone know how to set up a vnc server?11:10
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ssamremote desktop control panel11:14
Quaruptwhere is that11:14
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ssampreference menu11:14
ssamthen enable the options you want11:15
Quaruptit doesnt show me what port11:15
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Quaruptit says use localhost.localdomain:011:16
Quarupti dunno what port to use?11:16
ssamum, i am sorry i have to go to lectures, you have to find someone else or look in the wiki11:16
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Quaruptis anyone ele having trouble connecting to realvnc.com?11:17
ssamgood luck11:17
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amiloM1425www.realvnc.com is not available11:19
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shock_does anyone here know if iptables default in the debian package is "all ports closed" ?11:19
shock_by any chance?11:20
shock_I remotely updated my router to iptables11:20
shock_now it answers to ping11:20
shock_but not to ssh11:20
shock_bla bla11:20
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Quarupti farted11:22
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Quaruptsleepy time11:25
bob2shock_: the default is "nothing"11:26
bob2shock_: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/READMe.Debian for more details11:26
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Mit21My Russian11:30
Mit21   ?11:30
mikael_do anyone know how to install dvdrom on linux ubuntu11:31
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wdhmikael_, a dvdrom should be readable by default.. not sure what you want to do11:32
basculefour screws and 2 cables ;)11:33
mikael_ok thanks then i have to improvise11:34
wdhlol.. not desperate for an answer i guess :P11:34
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membreya_lol bascule :P11:36
basculehey membreya_ :)11:36
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membreyadamn IRC quitting out :P11:36
membreyabascule: enjoy the 100mb download today? :)11:37
membreyai feel sorry for dial-up'ers who are silly enough to run hoary :P11:37
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basculeyeah, I got 75 las night will run it now see what I get11:37
basculeI have 1MB so not to bad11:37
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membreyai loved it ...100mb to download with an addtional 800kb of space used :P11:38
basculeespecially since all the greedy yanks are in their beds ;)11:38
shock_<bob2> - so i guess having my router not responding to ssh means something bad, then?11:38
Mit21Hello All11:38
shock_hello Mit11:38
Mit21Hello shock11:40
shock_<bob2> namp -P0 returns just this: " 113/tcp closed auth"11:41
jancsomeone know if shipit is taking orders for warty or for hoary now?11:41
shock_used to be at least ssh, ftp and apache11:41
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basculemkreiserfs /dev/hda111:44
basculedone, do it now :P11:44
membreyawhy would I do that to my dvd-rw? :|11:44
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membreyabascule: so I won't have to fdisk and delete the partition? just reiserfs it and it wipes the data?11:45
basculemembreya: that is what I did11:46
membreyayou forsake bill as well ?11:46
basculewhy mess abot with partitions if you don't need to11:46
membreyaI just need to get my avidemux to compile without an ICE and I can kill windows11:46
basculeyeah about 10 months ago now11:47
membreyatranscoding xvid to mpeg2 is my last frontier :)11:47
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basculeodd temptation when I see games  running, but I know I gwet bored with them in about 2 weeks11:47
membreyaplay em once and throw em away :)11:47
basculemembreya: I've done it a few times, avi to vob any way11:48
membreyabesides.. I'm hooked on barrage...AND linux comes with "beneath a steel sky" i love that game!11:48
basculeOh the old amiga/ST game11:48
membreyabascule: with what ? mencode?11:48
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membreyabascule: it was also on PC :)11:48
basculewith a robot thing and puzzles in each room11:48
membreyayup :D11:48
basculemembreya: yeah mencode11:48
basculeor transcode11:49
membreyabascule: forgive my weakness..but I need a GUI :P11:49
basculecan get an avi to burn to a DVD so it plays in a DVD player11:49
basculewell it isn't so bad, ther is a script called any2vob about11:49
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basculeany2vob -i foo.avi11:50
basculeleave it for x hours .. done11:50
membreyahow long's it take you ? :)11:50
basculeabout the same amoun of time as the film, 26fps I get on a 2.4 prescott11:50
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membreyaamd64 3200 ..takes me about 30 - 40 mins to do a movie11:51
basculegimme it .. :P11:51
membreyawhen you do a configure11:51
membreyaand then do a make11:51
membreyawhat file does the "make" command read off?11:51
cocoli have compile the Clearlooks on my Hoary-sys11:51
cocolbut ik cant find it in Theme Slector11:52
basculeteh Makefile that ./configure produces11:52
membreyabascule: only got a 120gb SATA tho ...getting another 200gb SATA in a few weeks :)11:52
basculetakes a lot of room for sure11:52
membreyabascule: that's the file I'm after :)11:52
membreyabascule: I have 40gb of music videos alone :D another 45gb of TV eps11:52
basculeyou got mythTV or something like that?11:53
cocolsomebody have experience with Clearlooks yheme?11:53
membreyabascule: I use TVtime to watch tv.. I get my TV eps off of BT cos I'm in Australia :P11:53
membreyabesides which I don't have a HDTV tuner :'(11:54
basculenot many people do11:54
membreyathey aint expensive..but I don't do anything special with my tv tuner..just have the picture in the corner to watch when I'm at my pc11:54
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basculenever seen one running actually11:55
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basculedon't know anyone that has one11:55
membreyathey just give uber crisp images :)11:55
membreyaI believe they run at 1024x76811:55
membreyaand 100hz, instead of 5011:56
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basculeare you breaking something Mit2111:57
membreyawouldn't be linux if he wasn't :P11:57
basculeheh, as I heard someone in here say 'Linux. What do you want to break today?'11:58
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basculeactually he is playing with smileys11:59
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basculethey aren't gonna work on IRC dude, it's all ascii11:59
membreyawhat the ...11:59
membreyaALT 0+222 doesn't work here11:59
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Jerubmembreya: depends on the client.12:00
membreyaman ..so sad ..last night my girlfriend was playing minesweeper...and the first thing that popped into my head...XYZZY<Shift><Enter><Enter>12:00
basculeirssi won't even display tabs12:00
danielsmembreya: wasn't that the civ hack?12:01
danielsor was that 12345?12:01
Jerubmembreya: anyway, you can't be assured of how that will render, there's no garunteed character encoding.12:01
membreyadaniels: XYZZY....on windows 3.1 with minesweeper when you entered that code, if you hovered your mouse above a mine a little white dot appeared in the corner12:01
membreyaso you could look uber cool12:01
danielsoh, right12:01
Mit21There is people speaking in russian?12:02
membreyahmmmm whats the easiest way to search a string of text in a group of files? I thought cat would do it ..but I'm wrong ...as usual12:04
Jerubmembreya: grep12:04
membreyadher me :)12:04
basculefor i in *.txt; do grep 'pattern'; done12:04
Jerubgrep 'pattern' *.txt12:05
basculeoh well even easier12:05
membreyagrep....when will you stop amazing me :D12:05
Jerubbascule: that won't say what file the result will be in.12:05
basculenever look at egrep12:05
basculeJerub: I see, thanks12:05
membreyaso daniels ..how goes those pretty splash screens..cos I know they have to be top of the list :P12:06
jlgHey guys, I am looking for some help on reporting a bug correctly. File-roller always crashes me and I get the "The Application "file-roller" has quit unexpectedly. You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now." dialog. There doesn't seem to be any option for informing them in the dialog, so I tried to generate a traceback using http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingProgramCrash/. However, 12:06
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membreyahmmm damnit ... I want to configure a program so that it only compiles for my arch...ie it's configuring for i386 and ppc (i386 is what's causing my ICE when I go to make)12:08
basculeexport CLAGS='-march=i686 -O2 -pipe -s'12:09
basculeexport CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS12:09
basculethose are gentle ones12:09
membreyai686? I'm 64 bit baby!12:09
universalcan i use .rpm files in Ubuntu?12:09
basculeexport CLAGS='-march=k8 -O2 -mmmx -msse -m3dnow -mfpmath=sse -pipe -s'12:10
jlgTry using 'alien'.12:10
universalor install packages names .rpm?12:10
Zanz-2686 isn't 64 bit12:10
jlgIt can convert .rpms into .debs.12:10
basculeCFLAGS no CLAGS12:10
jlgThough that doesn't guarantee the RPM will integrate into the rest of the syste, of course.12:11
membreyabascule: and that goes where? :)12:11
basculejust export it12:12
basculeor .bashrc to make it permanent12:12
jlgThat's why there are different RPMs for SuSe and Fedora Core, too.12:12
basculealso export CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS12:12
Zanz-2what are the main differences between rpms for different distros?12:13
monoxidek8 == amd64?12:13
membreyamonoxide: yup ...my kernel is the generic on though, so it's running x86_6412:13
basculeZanz-2: It is a consistency in the library versions that they are built agianst12:13
Zanz-2i think amd64 is under the k8 designation12:13
basculemonoxide: yes12:13
basculeneeds gcc 3.4.? bit that is the one12:13
membreyajust upgraded to 3.4 :)12:14
universaljlg, ok, thx, its just because i would like downloading Lime Wire, but there is only a .rpm version12:14
monoxideahhhh :) i was at the hardware shop today and say a k8 motherboard and thought "what the hell?" :P12:15
Zanz-2socket 939 is what you want for amd64, on the socket the cpu sits in there are holes across the whole thing, no square hole in the middle12:15
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membreyai bought mine too early for 93912:16
membreyadamn roadmap12:16
membreyamy cpu fan does 80dB :P12:16
basculeI don't think my speakere do that :P12:17
membreyabascule: does that export last until I close the terminal?12:17
Zanz-2that's not a fan, tha'ts a propeller12:17
membreyamy speakers do about 100 - 11012:17
membreyaIIRC :)12:18
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membreyahttp://www.digital-daily.com/cooling/gigabyte-3d-cooler/ <---my CPU fan :)12:20
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membreyamotion_est.c:1138: internal compiler error: in ggc_recalculate_in_use_p, at ggc-page.c:146812:23
membreyadamn you ICE...damn you!12:23
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bob2hah, impressive12:24
bob2unless you're overclocking or doing something else silly12:24
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membreyafix my ICE >:(12:25
membreyabob2: it's pretty and blue like the rest of my case :D12:25
basculeinteranl compiler error, nasty things those12:25
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membreyai want it fixed and i want it fixed now12:26
membreyadamn free software12:26
basculemembreya: what aer you building12:26
membreyahow dare it not work12:26
membreyabascule: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/12:26
bob2membreya: if you're not beating up your machine with overclocking/bad ram/etc, it's a gcc bug12:26
membreyaif I export clags more than once does the newer export override the older one..or do they just keep adding up12:26
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bob2depends how you do it12:27
membreyabob2: I never overclock..bad12:27
basculeit is yeah, only tome I ever saw those was mozilla ona 1.7 celeron clocked to 2.0412:27
bob2if it's automake, it overrides them12:27
membreyait does call automake IIRC12:27
basculemembreya: CFLAGS12:27
basculenot CLAGS12:27
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basculeI typod it12:27
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basculeand it will overwrite no add up12:28
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membreyahmmm well that changed the output12:28
membreyanow ./configure is broken :P12:28
basculeoh great ...12:29
membreyachecking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables12:29
membreyaSee `config.log' for more details.12:29
basculeseeing if gcc can create binary executables .... no12:29
basculeyeah I see those ones, my fglags12:29
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Jerubapt-get build-dep is your friend.12:30
membreyayou're losin me bascule12:30
basculeexport CFLAGS='-march=k8 -O2 -mmmx -msse -m3dnow -mfpmath=sse -pipe -s'12:30
basculethose are fine12:30
membreyait's no different to the one before bascule :P12:31
basculeexport CXXFLAGS='-march=k8 -O2 -mmmx -msse -m3dnow -mfpmath=sse -pipe -s'12:31
basculewell I spelled CFLAGS correctl;y12:31
membreyayou killed it bascule :(12:31
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basculeperhaps it wont take k812:32
basculecause th others are spot on12:32
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basculeunless it's -mcpu and not -march12:32
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membreyanope, I changed it to x86_64 and still no good12:33
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bob2you really should read the manpage before using random flags12:34
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bob2hint: -mcpu=k8 isn't valid with gcc 3.312:34
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membreyaim using gcc 3.412:34
membreyawith an amd6412:34
membreyakernel is x86_6412:35
bob2what's the point of mcpu=k8?12:35
basculeathlon 6412:35
membreyalads.. I want an answer, not a fight :P12:35
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basculeI am trying -march or -mcpu, if it takes neither I dunno12:35
admin0hi all12:36
bob2what you actually want is ./configure CC=gcc-3.4 CFLAGS='blah'12:36
admin0is it possible for me to install and run Oracle in Ubuntu ?12:36
membreyabob2: to fill you in .. I'm getting ICE's with my compile..so I'm trying to get the ./configure to only create makefiles for my arch and not i386/ppc12:36
admin0and how about using ubuntu as a load balancer/layer4 redirector ?12:36
jdubadmin0: unfortunately, you won't get oracle support for it at the moment.12:36
bob2membreya: er12:36
jdubadmin0: that ought to be easy enough12:36
bob2membreya: the makefiles are the same (nominally) regardless of arch12:36
basculebob2: OK, I accept that, but why declare CC=gcc3.4, are there others on there?12:36
membreyagcc -v gives 3.4 :)12:37
bascule<-- never built anythng on ubuntu12:37
basculewell .....12:37
admin0basically, i have been using ubuntu for more than 6 momths now, and would want to use it more for a server also, rather than a workstation :)12:37
bob2bascule: gcc 3.3 is the default12:37
basculeI see12:37
admin0one question12:37
bob2membreya: then you changed the default and other things will break12:37
admin0how about internal modem support in ubuntu ?12:37
admin0and USB modem too :)12:37
membreyabob2: I've tried compiling this with both GCC 3.3 and GCC 3.412:37
membreyaboth give an ICE12:37
membreyajust with different error messages12:38
bob2membreya: ok12:38
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membreyabob2: using GCC3.3 I'm getting:12:38
membreyamotion_est.c: In function `ff_estimate_p_frame_motion':12:38
membreyamotion_est.c:1406: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault12:38
basculeperhaps cause gcc it's self is built x86 ..12:39
bob2membreya: check your ram, first12:39
bob2bascule: no12:39
membreyawith GCC3.4 I'm getting:12:39
membreyamotion_est.c: In function `check_input_motion':12:39
membreyamotion_est.c:1138: internal compiler error: in ggc_recalculate_in_use_p, at ggc-page.c:146812:39
mikael_how can you exclude bad blicks12:39
membreyaI've not had a problem with any other ICE's ...12:39
bob2mikael_: if a modern hard disk is showing bad blocks, return it and get a new one12:39
basculebob2: ram or L" cahe are the only other likely things I agree12:39
membreyawell 1 or 212:39
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basculeL2 cache12:40
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membreyabut most everything else compiles perfectly12:40
bob2bascule: cache errors would be pretty surprising12:40
basculeyeah, if not clocked12:40
membreyaCPU/VID/RAM are all stock..No OC'ing12:40
basculehave you built anything else12:41
membreyaplenty..I rebuild Gaim everytime it's re-released :)12:41
basculewell it's the code then12:41
basculeor a gcc bug ..12:41
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bob2the code?  no code should make gcc crash.12:42
bob2if it's not hardware, it's a gcc bug.12:42
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membreyadoing a google on the error I get in 3.4 looks to be a bug :|12:43
basculebut 2 gccs12:43
basculeah well, that is the end of that12:43
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membreyadamnit, it's the only thing that gives windows a lifeline right now12:44
bob2gaim is in ubuntu12:44
bob2there's no actual need to rebulid it12:44
membreyabob2: there is when a new version is released :)12:44
bob2and then it gets uploaded to hoary and you download it from there12:45
monoxidemembreya, gaim is released on apt within a few days of a stable release12:45
membreyai .....just grab the source as soon as gaim tells me a new version is out and compile it12:45
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membreyaoh and I built azureus12:45
membreyaand tvtime12:45
monoxideyou cant get the odd number versions off apt though12:46
elTigreI tried to upgrade to hoary...12:46
membreyaoh and gnomebaker :)12:46
membreyaso no problems overall building12:46
elTigrebut gnome now issues error after error12:46
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basculemembreya: OK, it is just gcc and that code combined12:46
elTigreespecially about xkb and things12:46
Zanz-2am i here?12:46
basculetell Richard Stallman to get it fixed12:46
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bob2rms doesn't hack gcc anymore12:47
basculeZanz-2: yes12:47
thoreauputicZanz-2: no, you don't exist... go away ;-)12:47
bob2he doesn't hack anything at all, afaik, since he has carpal tunnel12:47
membreyathis bug was posted in 2003 :|12:47
basculebob2: oh, that is a shame, what does he work on?12:47
monoxideZanz-2, no, you are talking to yourself12:47
elTigreok I have to correct that with the errors12:47
bob2bascule: gives talks and leads emacs, aiui12:47
elTigreerror messages are not as bad as the complete aplication menu is missing12:48
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basculewhat a waste od coding talent  ... :(12:48
elTigreno keybindings work...12:48
membreyasays the bug is closed as it wasnt valid12:48
elTigrethe taskbar thingy doesnt workl12:48
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basculere-open it12:49
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membreyaany way to debug a configure more?12:49
johnnybezakhey guys do you know what package i should install to get french characters working?12:49
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basculemembreya: there are hundreds out the re that could probably fix it, not me though12:51
bob2membreya: why are you fixating on configure at all?12:51
bob2membreya: the problem is gcc itself crashing12:51
elTigrewhat is the apt-get command to upgrade everything?12:52
membreyasudo apt-get update12:52
membreyasudo apt-get upgrade12:52
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elTigrehmm ill try to do it without gnome running....12:52
bob2it doesn't matter if gnome is running or not12:52
bob2tho you'll need to log out and in again if gnome's updated12:53
thoreauputictoo late :)12:53
membreyalo thoreauputic :)12:53
membreyaguess what bob2 and bascule :)12:53
basculethre is anewer verson that builds?12:53
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thoreauputicmembreya: I have been watching this geek convo with interest... I understand about 2% of it12:54
membreyathat's 3% more than me mate :)12:54
basculelol@ thor12:54
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membreyabascule & bob2: ...i did a ./configure --disable_mmx :D12:54
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membreyaand it's compiling as we speak12:54
Frafraxyi must remove my adsl connection12:54
membreyadisable-mmx even12:55
basculeah well12:55
membreyaahahah...I figured something out!12:55
bascule-O34 -funroll-everthing then :P12:55
membreyaok ok it was blind luck12:55
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Frafraxywho can help me?12:56
basculeI know ffmpeg won't built msse2 on p4s, another multi-media extension12:56
Skidhi, I've an adaptec ultra wifi pcmcia card for my dell inspiron 8200, which I can't get detected; anyone able to assist/12:56
basculemembreya: sometimes that way12:56
thoreauputicFrafraxy: ifdown eth0 ? ifdown ppp0?12:57
Frafraxythoreauputic, my connection starts automatically when i start the pc12:57
Frafraxyi've configured it with pppoeconf12:57
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thoreauputicFrafraxy: sorry, I don't understand the problem - can't you just disable the interface? If that's what you want to do?12:59
Frafraxythoreauputic, i've sell this pc and i must remove the data of adsl connection because i wouldn't  format the pc01:00
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bob2membreya-aWay: please turn that off01:01
membreya-aWayhush now, it's the xlack script... :P01:01
RichiHmembreya-aWay: which xlacks concern for the others in the channel? ;)01:01
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membreya-aWaysorry, will reconfigure when law and order's over :P01:04
Zanz-2well, i give up for tonight, thanks everyone for the help01:04
membreya-aWayi mainly use it for a "catcher" so it logs anytime my name is mentioned :P01:04
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RichiHmembreya-aWay: with irssi, you can do non-public aways and it will log everything that was said while you were away01:07
thoreauputicFrafraxy: I guess  sudo apt-get remove --purge pppoeconf would get rid of your adsl configuration :)01:07
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membreya-aWayok away message is off :)01:07
RichiHmembreya-aWay: :)01:08
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Frafraxythoreauputic, thanks01:08
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membreya-aWaycool :)01:08
thoreauputicFrafraxy: of course that would also mean the next guy has to reinstall it :)01:09
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Amaranthhey, did anyone else lose their industrial theme recently?01:22
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zimba-tmhello ubunut users :)01:23
XappeAmaranth, well, not recently, it disappeared in an update several weeks ago01:23
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thoreauputicAmaranth: it's because it didn't like your nick ;)01:23
Amaranthyeah, i haven't upgraded in awhile01:24
Amaranththoreauputic: :D01:24
AmaranthXappe: Know how to get it back?01:24
Amaranththat theme went away too :P01:24
thoreauputicAmaranth: that's sad - amaranth is a nice theme01:24
XappeAmaranth, no..or well, yes. download the theme manually from a theme site I guess01:25
zimba-tmhow can I detect usb devices on linux ?01:26
zimba-tmI just want to know what devices are plugged in my usb ports01:26
zimba-tmdo I need a device drivers obligatory ?01:26
thoreauputicAmaranth: I just installed this one ->> http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/index.html01:26
thoreauputicrather nice I thought...01:26
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thoreauputiczimba-tm: hmm... lsub from memory01:27
thenuke"amixer: mixer attach default error: No such file or directory"01:27
thenuketried to command "amixer"01:27
Ed_Geinhas anyone had anyluck upgrading to hoary?01:28
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zimba-tmthoreauputic, thanks a lot !01:28
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thoreauputiczimba-tm: you're welcome :)01:28
thenukeEd_Gein: for sure many has, but you should not do it if you really dont need it01:28
Amaranththoreauputic: yeah, i think people looking at my screen will not be happy if i try to load that page again01:29
Ed_GeinI really would like the ability to burn cd's01:29
Ed_GeinI've changed /apt/sources.list to no avail01:29
zimba-tmthoreauputic, do you have ressource for more informations ? I mostly found usb-for-developpers papers on the net01:29
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thenukeEd_Gein: :o why do you need hoary for burning cd's01:30
thoreauputicAmaranth: it isn't just the calendar shots - there's a gtk theme as well (very clean and simple)01:30
Amaranththoreauputic: That's Milk.01:30
thoreauputicAmaranth: is it the same? I thought the borders were different?01:30
Ed_Geincan't seem to burn burn mp3s with any of hte availableutilities01:30
Amaranththey might be but it's basically milk01:30
Ed_Geinwanted to give k3b or graveman a try01:31
BockBilbohey back01:31
thoreauputicEd_Gein: are you on warty?01:31
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Amaranthclearlook or whatever01:31
Ed_Geinthoreauputic :yes01:31
thoreauputicEd_Gein: look here >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/01:32
thoreauputicgnomebaker for warty01:32
thoreauputicEd_Gein: works well here01:32
Ed_Geinthoreauputic:"Is that a repo?01:33
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thoreauputicEd_Gein: no, I just downloaded the .deb and di dpkg -i01:34
thoreauputicEd_Gein: seems to instal nicely - YMMV01:35
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Ed_GeinI'll give it a try01:35
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Ed_GeinStill confused as to why it won't upgrade to hoary?01:36
NinDzAi'm embaresd01:36
NinDzAbut ubuntu blocks root acc01:36
NinDzAin installation01:36
NinDzAand there is no place to set root pass01:36
NinDzAwhat is default pass?01:37
thoreauputicNinDzA: there's no root in ubuntu01:37
robodexafaik it's your pass01:37
robodexso if your pass is "blah" the root pass is "blah"01:37
thoreauputicNinDzA: use sudo -s for a root shell01:37
Ed_Geinyou do everything with "sudo" or you can add root01:37
NinDzAdamn :)01:38
NinDzAty :)01:38
kzmHi all,01:38
kzmIs there a good way to handle removable media?  Without requiring privileges?01:38
kzmSo that unpriv users can use usb devices etc.01:39
johnnybezakcan anyone here help me out with international characters?01:39
thoreauputickzm: they should be able to by default AFAIK01:39
thoreauputichmm... that was a quick visit01:39
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zimba-tmthoreauputic, I'm also interested, will usb be on /dev/sda1 ?01:40
thoreauputiczimba-tm: as far as I know, inserting a usb device should automagically mount it and put an icon on the desktop01:41
kzmThe "problem" is that there are multiple devices.  Usually, they will be partitioned (i.e. I want sda1 to mount), but sometimes, the whole device (i.e my mp3 player must be mounted as /dev/sda)01:41
thoreauputicworks that way here, anyway01:41
kzmHmm.. with Warty?01:42
kzm(Is it time to take the step to Hoary, btw?)01:42
zimba-tmokay then if it doens't mount, it means it's not a usb-storage ?01:42
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zimba-tmI've just bought a P910i and I want to transfer the photos from it :p01:42
thoreauputic*shrug* I don't know01:42
Ed_Geincould someone running hoary post the relevant sections of sources.list01:42
kzmWell, it doesn't mount for me.  But perhaps I'm not running nautilus (I certainly don't have any icons on the "desktop")01:42
kzmEd, isn't it just replacing warty with hoary at the right places?01:43
SiRrUsEd_Gein take a look here www.ubuntuguide.org01:43
zimba-tmjust to make sure, the new "udev" that's coming with kernel 2.6 creates devices dynamically isn't it ?01:43
SiRrUsthen change your warty to hoary01:43
kzmMy quite manual proceedure involves doing 'dmesg' to check what sdX got assigned, and mounting it under /mnt/tmp.  A bit cumbersome.01:44
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Ed_GeinSirus: I followed those steps to no avail. I even tried to copy there sample to no avail01:45
maLKoci have a problem.01:45
zimba-tmmaLKoc, everybody has problems :p01:45
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thoreauputicEd_Gein: you did sudo apt-get update ?01:45
maLKoci have not mount win_c win_d and win_e01:46
maLKocmy ubuntu system is from hda701:46
maLKochda8 swap01:46
maLKochda1 win xp and fat3201:46
zimba-tmmaLKoc, what filesystem are on win_c, d, e ?01:46
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maLKochda2 my media sector fat3201:47
maLKochda5 my media sector fat3201:47
Ed_Geinthoreauputic :and dist-upgrade01:47
maLKoc!hda2 my media sector fat3201:47
thoreauputicEd_Gein: error messages?01:47
maLKochda5 my media sector fat32(true)01:47
maLKochda6 my programs fat3201:47
maLKocthis hdd sectors are not mount hda701:48
zimba-tmjust go in /mnt01:48
zimba-tmcreate win_c, d, e01:48
Ed_Geinthoreauputic :this morning none other than it doesn't install anything01:48
zimba-tmedit /etc/fstab01:48
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Ed_Geinlast night I tried and got lots of errors "couldnt' stat blah blah"01:48
maLKocalready mounted01:49
maLKocbut folder image x01:49
SiRrUsEd_Gein check again to ensure you have changed all the sources01:49
maLKoci don't now x01:49
Ed_Geinwell gnomebaker seems to have installed withou a hitch01:49
zimba-tmmaLKoc, add lines to your drives : /dev/hda2   /mnt/win_d   vfat  user,exec 0 001:49
Ed_Geindoes it work? Keeps fingers crossed01:49
maLKoczimba-tm i don't understand01:50
zimba-tmmaLKoc, me neither :p01:50
thoreauputicEd_Gein: you might need to point it at /dev/hdc or whatever your burner is, although it detected mine here01:51
zimba-tmmaLKoc, so all your drives are mounted ?01:51
Ed_GeinSiRrUs: I actually tried renaming sources.list and copy/paste the example on ubuntuguide.01:51
maLKocyeah but symbol x01:51
maLKocaccess denied!01:51
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maLKoci can not speak english perfect01:52
zimba-tmmaLKoc, what do you do to have this error message ?01:52
zimba-tmmaLKoc, no prob01:52
Ubuntu_userI have a dumb question01:52
Ubuntu_userhow to insall a *.deb package?01:52
maLKoczimba-tm: look01:52
thoreauputicmaLKoc: what is your first language?01:52
maLKocmy username taner01:52
thoreauputicmaLKoc: I see01:52
johns_Ubuntu_user: dpkg --install name_of_package.deb01:53
zimba-tmUbuntu_user, sudo dpkg -i yourpackage.deb01:53
zimba-tmmaLKoc, are you using the command-line ?01:53
maLKocsudo -s01:53
thoreauputicUbuntu_user: normally you don't need to if you use the package manager and repositories ...01:53
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maLKocmkdir /media/win_c01:54
Ubuntu_userthoreauputic,  yea sure, but cedega aint avaible :)01:54
maLKocmount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/win_c01:54
thoreauputicUbuntu_user: right01:54
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maLKocbut i can't connect win_c01:54
thoreauputicmaLKoc: are you trying to use nautilus as root? If so, don't01:55
zimba-tmmaLKoc, can you paste here : rafb.net/paste   ?01:55
jesus_does anyone know about a good fxp client?01:56
maLKoci am using windows98 now01:56
zimba-tmmaLKoc, just put your console output and give me the url01:56
thoreauputicjesus_ fxp?01:56
thoreauputicor ftp ?01:56
zimba-tmmaLKoc, come back when you're using linux  :p01:56
Ed_Geinthoreauputic : thanks for the suggestion on gnomebaker01:57
maLKoczimba-tm, i am connecting from cafe01:57
thoreauputicEd_Gein: you're welcome - working OK?01:57
Ed_Geinthoreauputic :actually no :(01:57
thoreauputicEd_Gein: :(01:57
thoreauputicEd_Gein: what's the trouble?01:58
maLKoci like to ubuntu but i want to my media and documans01:58
zimba-tmmaLKoc, okay, it must be a user permission problem on the device but I'm not sure because you don't give enough informations01:59
Ed_Geinthoreauputic : it just hangs after I try to write to the cd01:59
thoreauputiczimba-tm: perhaps if he pasted /etc/fstab in #flood ?02:00
maLKoczimba-tm thank you for help me02:00
thoreauputicEd_Gein: have you tried starting it from terminal to see if it shows errors?02:00
Ed_Geinthoreauputic :wait it appears that the 3rd time may be the charm02:00
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zimba-tmthoreauputic, he's not on his os02:01
zimba-tmmaLKoc, look here : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=vfat02:01
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thoreauputiczimba-tm: rats, yeah I forgot - sorry02:01
Ed_Geinthoreauputic :Do you know offhand if gnomebaker will burn shn and flac files02:01
zimba-tmthoreauputic, are you working for canonical ?02:02
thoreauputicEd_Gein: offheand, I haven't the foggiest idea, sorry ;)02:02
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thoreauputiczimba-tm: no02:02
Ed_Geinits cool I read up on it02:02
Ed_Geinthoreauputic :although it appears to have hung at 33%02:02
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Ed_Geinbah this is pissing me off02:03
Ed_Gein** Message: exec_thread - created child02:03
Ed_Gein** Message: exec_thread - parent created child with pid 1267302:03
Ed_GeinXlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2a662)!02:03
Ed_GeinXlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2a664)!02:03
Ed_GeinXlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2aba7)02:03
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zimba-tmhow could I list all graphical apps that are running ?02:04
thoreauputicEd_Gein: Xlib - hmm - nothing to do with cdrecord then02:04
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maLKoczimba-tm, oh yes. it's okay02:04
maLKocthanks bro.02:04
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linforceryo... anyone here know how I can edit the apps menu in hoary?02:05
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MacPlusG3daniels: ping02:06
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linforceranyone at all?02:07
danielsMacPlusG3: yo02:07
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MacPlusG3daniels: how's things?02:08
danielsMacPlusG3: meh.  tired.02:08
MacPlusG3daniels: word on that.02:08
linforceraccording to the GNOME help I should go to "applications-all-users:///"02:08
MacPlusG3daniels: i have VGA out working on my laptop again :)02:08
linforcerbut nautilus says that's not a valid location02:08
thoreauputicEd_Gein: FWIW I get a bunch of gtk warnings with gnomebaker, but it still works...02:08
MacPlusG3daniels: although, all that effort was for notihng - didn't have projector at presentation tonight :(02:08
danielsMacPlusG3: nice! :) with the latest xorg package, I assume?02:09
danielsMacPlusG3: ah, bugger -- I thought Evan Burge had projectors02:09
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danielsMacPlusG3: (like the MMC, where you guys had LA)02:09
Ed_Geinthoreauputic : I'm trying to convert and burn some ogg files now. It appears to be working02:09
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MacPlusG3daniels: i just need a few hours and my laptop is going ubuntu. currently debian sid with ubuntu xorg packages. works fine.... (the ... is /me waiting for you to scream or cry in the corner or something :)02:09
MacPlusG3daniels: yeah, it had a projector, just not the cable that would let you plug it into your laptop02:10
thoreauputicEd_Gein: that's something, anyway02:10
danielsMacPlusG3: heh :) as long as you say 'works fine'; if you don't, the usual both pieces disclaimer allows02:10
danielsMacPlusG3: ah, d'oh!02:10
zimba-tmlinforcer, did you look at /usr/share/applications ?02:10
MacPlusG3daniels: ended up going next door (where LA was) for last talk... but too late for me.02:10
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danielsMacPlusG3: yeah02:10
MacPlusG3daniels: i thought upgrading X about an hour before a presentation was a fun thing to do :)02:10
MacPlusG3daniels: this mergedfb thing is kind of interesting.02:11
MacPlusG3daniels: esp when you've got an odd shaped screen (like my widescreen laptop here)02:11
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MacPlusG3daniels: you got a mobile back yet?02:13
psrI've just upgraded from Warty to Hoary, and I'm experiencing seemingly random reboots.02:13
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Jerubpsr: reboots are commonly caused by hardware failure.02:13
Jerubpsr: have you checked your logs for unusual things?02:13
psrThis doesn't happen under Warty.02:13
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psrJerub : I don't see anything in /var/log/syslog02:15
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LupiusHow can i check what are the numbers of my windows disk?02:16
Ed_Geinlook under /mnt02:16
danielsMacPlusG3: yeah, same number as I had in December02:16
danielsMacPlusG3: and yeah, MergedFB rocks; I'm doing it on my dual-head desktop (21" CRT and 17" LCD now)02:16
LupiusEd_Gein,  its empty ...02:17
Jerubpsr: okay, so the log just 'stops' and then you see the bootup sequence?02:17
thoreauputicLupius:  type  sudo fdisk -l02:17
thoreauputicfdisk -l /dev/hda for example02:17
Lupiusthoreauputic,  10x02:17
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NinDzAwhy does xmms dont work? event sound is working02:17
Ed_Geincomputer>disks>filesytem>mnt is empty?02:18
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linforcerzimba-tm: yes all applications vare there, but if I add one there which folder will it show up in in the menu?02:18
psrJerub : So I really don't know how to go about isolating the problem.  There's no warning, The first I know is when the screens go blank and the BIOS comes up.02:18
Ed_GeinNinDzA:what doesn't work? playing mp3's?02:18
selinium_Hi all, for some reason my machine is not authenticating the su. How do i reset it?02:18
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thoreauputicNinDzA: if you are trying to play mp3 , see the Restricted Formats page on ubuntulinux.org or read http://ubuntuguide.org02:19
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NinDzAEd_Gein, nothing...cd player doesnt work02:19
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Ed_GeinNindza are you trying to play mp3?02:19
NinDzAaudio from cd02:20
thoreauputicNinDzA: you probably need to enable digital output for the cd audio plugin in xmms02:20
selinium_NinDza: is your cd connected to the sound card by a small cable?02:20
thoreauputicselinium_: exactly ;-)02:20
selinium_Hi thoreauputic!02:21
selinium_I am now on Hoary!02:21
NinDzAselinium, i have integrated card02:21
Ed_Geinselenium how?02:21
selinium_Ed_Gein: How am i on Hoary?02:21
thoreauputicNinDzA: see what I said above regarding digital output02:21
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Ed_Geinselinium_ :yes02:21
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selinium_Ed_Gein: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary :)02:22
Ed_Geinselinium_ :yeah I tried that02:22
NinDzAthoreauputic, where ?02:22
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thoreauputicNinDzA: NinDzA: you probably need to enable digital output for the cd audio plugin in xmms02:23
selinium_ Ed_Gein: And it didn't work?02:23
BockBilbowhats the last hoary array?02:23
universalcan someone tell me how to get my geforce 6800 GT fully working with glide on ubuntu?02:23
BockBilboarray 6 released today?02:23
StoffBox-Stevehi guys02:23
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Ed_Geinthoreauputic : would the fact that I have something "pinned" affect upgrading to hoary?02:24
thoreauputicEd_Gein: if you got it wrong, yeah :)02:25
MacPlusG3daniels: now just to wait for composite to be fully kick-ass working cool funky stuff.02:25
danielsMacPlusG3: for it to actually be accelerated02:25
MacPlusG3daniels: that's the word :)02:25
danielsuniversal: glide?  you don't use glide for those sorts of cards, dude02:25
StoffBox-Stevehave a Prob :( , i compile a kernel, but when i boot the kernel: after uncompress linux ok , booting the kernel (ok) ... , nothing normaly Starting Ubuntu shows up ... but it dont come :S , someone an idear ?02:26
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narrhi all02:26
narrI have an installation related problem. I'm trying to get a PC connected to the internet which has a Sitecom WL-022 USB adapter02:26
NinDzAmp3z are working...02:26
narrthe card uses a prism2 chipset which is supported in linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre25 or pre2602:26
selinium_thoreauputic: you wouldn't happen to know how to reset the su?02:26
narrunluckily ubuntu warty doesn't include pre26 and it doesn't compile against the kernel sources which come with ubuntu02:26
thoreauputicreset root pass you mean?02:26
Ed_Geinthoreauputic : I just found a file named preferences in /etc/apt it contains the following.    Package: *02:26
Ed_Geinpippin: release a=warty02:26
Ed_GeinPin-Priority: 60002:26
Ed_GeinPackage: *02:26
Ed_Geinpippin: release a=hoary02:26
Ed_GeinPin-Priority: 1002:26
selinium_ thoreauputic: Yes, Every time i try and use su it fails to authenticate.02:27
thoreauputicEd_Gein: you have hoary at a *very* low level02:27