[12:00] <Loiosh> Odin, I believe.. lemme check
[12:00] <Odin2347> i didnt try knoppix
[12:00] <Odin2347> check what?
[12:00] <Loiosh> Yeah
[12:00] <scoon> Odin2347, well with a little bit of google, you could get that wireless card working.
[12:00] <lavigj> anyone in here familiar with apt::Default-release?
[12:00] <Loiosh> /join #kUbuntu
[12:00] <AngryClip> anyone have any input at all about my problem?
[12:00] <Loiosh> It's the channel for KDE on Ubuntu
[12:00] <hawke_> lavigj: Somewhat, why?
[12:00] <mdke> is it possible in gedit to open more than one document and NOT get them tabbed?
[12:01] <AngryClip> both my sound cards work
[12:01] <AngryClip> it's jsut I would like it to come out the other one as default
[12:01] <lavigj> hawke_: I was mostly just curious if there was a how to for setting it up or something like that. I found kind half instructions
[12:01] <mdke> nm
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> well
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> anyone know what i should do
[12:02] <hawke_> lavigj: There isn't much to set up
[12:02] <scoon> AngryClip, did you check ALSA's site or are you using OSS ?
[12:02] <lavigj> hawke_: hmm... ok
[12:02] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: here on warty, the nested login is in the menu
[12:02] <hawke_> lavigj: You can just set it to e.g. "testing" or "unstable" on Debian...or "hoary/warty" on Ubuntu
[12:02] <bluefoxicy> well it's not on mine
[12:03] <AngryClip> scoon: I am using ESD, which I presume is using ALSA
[12:03] <lavigj> hawke_: actualy, i just found something in the preferences of synaptics
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> I have a desktop file for it
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> /usr/share/applications/gdmflexiserver-xnest.desktop:3:Name=New Login in a Nested Window
[12:03] <AngryClip> but I do not know how to check
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> but it's not showing in the menu, at all.
[12:03] <lavigj> hawke_: is it possible to bounce back and forth?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: well, you can do Xnest -ac :1 & xterm -display :1 or something similar
[12:04] <scoon> AngryClip, then check here for some help: http://www.alsa-project.org/
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> i have a few things that aren't in the menu >(
[12:04] <WW> Hello, world.
[12:04] <hawke_> lavigj: Probably not a good idea..
[12:04] <AngryClip> scoon: do you know how I can check?
[12:04] <lavigj> hawke_: hmm... I really only need one package to be newer
[12:04] <WW> I need a crash course in VPN.
[12:05] <lavigj> WW: what about it?
[12:05] <WW> My employer disabled ssh, and said connections must now be via VPN.
[12:05] <Loiosh> That's strange, Blue
[12:05] <hawke_> lavigj: Oh, then it's probably fine.
[12:05] <scoon> AngryClip, if you are using ubuntu then you are using alsa.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: see above - with the xterm in the new window you can probably type gnome-session or fluxbox or whatever
[12:05] <hawke_> lavigj: Assuming that one package doesn't pull in a bunch of other dependencies.
[12:05] <WW> I found out at 5:00 PM, so I wasn't able to ask them how to set up VPN.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I do it that way all the time
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  yeah but I want to log into ANOTHER machine
[12:05] <Loiosh> What are you trying to do, Blue?
[12:06] <lavigj> hawke_: yeah. are you familiar with using it with synaptics at all>
[12:06] <WW> All I have is the ip name.
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh:  I have a gentoo machine here I want to log into, so I want to run gdm on it with xdmcp and log into it.
[12:06] <ompaul> WW OpenVPN is great for that, the only issue I ever found with it was people not setting the default route correctly
[12:06] <lavigj> WW: sorry, I have never set it up in linux
[12:06] <hawke_> lavigj: Not with synaptic, but I don't think it would be much different with apt-get
[12:06] <Loiosh> Ahhh, and that option is missing
[12:06] <GarySaved> I am currently using just Debian.  Will I lose my settings and such if I install ubuntu ?
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh:  i've altered the gdm config file for chooser access
[12:06] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: ah Ok - well I usually do that with vnc or with ssh -X
[12:06] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh: but there's no xnest or anything
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  Perhaps you don't understand the difference between vnc and xdmcp.
[12:07] <_jon_> GarySaved: if you install fresh, posibly, if you apt-get dist-upgrade you can save your settings
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  xdmcp sends a bunch of control data encapsulated in the X protocol which is rendered into the screen, while vnc sends a screenshot every 40mS or so
[12:07] <WW> ompaul: Thanks.  Do I need to be a networking wizard to configure OpenVPN?
[12:07] <ompaul> WW no
[12:07] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  as a result, xdmcp is much faster, more responsive, and much less CPU intensive than vnc
[12:07] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: look, please don't tell me what I don't understand - you didn't make yourself clear in the first place
[12:08] <WW> ompaul: Installing openvpn now...
[12:08] <lavigj> hawke_: either it didn't work... or there's no newer version. dang it
[12:08] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  you appeared to be suggesting that I use vnc instead of xdmcp
[12:08] <httpdss> how can i change gtk font size ?? (i tried gtk-theme-switch, but it doesnt work)
[12:08] <hawke_> lavigj: what package?
[12:08] <GarySaved> _jon_, I put my home directory tree on a seperate hard drive.
[12:08] <Loiosh> Yeah, I like xdmcp
[12:08] <lavigj> libsdl
[12:08] <Loiosh> We use.. xManager here though (Win machine -> linux)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I didn't - I just said ehat I have used in an effort to be helpful
[12:08] <lavigj> hawke_: libsdl... many video tools want better than I have
[12:08] <_jon_> GarySaved: not all your preferences are stored in your home foler
[12:08] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh:  then of course the trick becomes getting a gdm chooser to work in an xnest window :P
[12:08] <ells> is anyone familiar on how to set up a network to share between my linux box and my windows machine
[12:08] <WW> Hmmm... that's not very Ubuntu-like.  Installing openvpn from synaptic brings up an interactive text screen.
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic: *shrug*
[12:09] <ompaul> WW read the docs on the OpenVPN site they will explain it all a lot better than I can in an irc package. you must have the same ips available all the time and do not have the same ips in use on the "far ends" of the links
[12:09] <hawke_> lavigj: 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-3ubuntu4 is the latest in Ubuntu
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> oh
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> what the hell
[12:09] <lavigj> hawke_: then I guess I didn't do it right
[12:09] <bluefoxicy> xnest and Xnest are not valid commands on ubuntu?
[12:09] <WW> ompaul: Thanks.  I'll take a look.
[12:09] <waseem> hi how do i make it so that when i double click on a folder it doesnt open up a new window?
[12:10] <hawke_> lavigj: chances are that will pull in a bunch of hoary dependencies though
[12:10] <underlord> i just installed the apache2 package, the server is running, but where are the config files stored on ubuntu?
[12:10] <ells> Again, is anyone familiar on how to set up a network to share between my linux box and my windows machine
[12:10] <bluefoxicy>   __ Opt x11      xnest        <none>      6.8.1-1ubun nested X server
[12:10] <ompaul> WW the test when you are done is to ping machines on the far network and ssh into them with their "192" [if that is the range you are using]  but it is crucial that the default route is set or all sorts of things will be very very broken
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> apparently xnest doesn't come by default!
[12:10] <shock> anyone here pro @ ssh-port-forwarding for amule behind a router?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: if you're interested in performance you might look at freenx and nomachine
[12:10] <bluefoxicy>  *** Opt base     ubuntu-deskt 0.34        0.34        The Ubuntu desktop system
[12:10] <ompaul> right so I am off to bed
[12:10] <bluefoxicy> or at least ubuntu-desktop doesn't want it.
[12:11] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  I'm looking at Xen ATM
[12:11] <hawke_> lavigj: basically, all you need to do is change all instances of warty to hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install libsdl1.2debian, and change hoary back to warty.
[12:11] <lavigj> hawke_: this is the one thing I don't like about ubuntu. on gentoo I just unmasked it and had pretty much bleeding edge, just for that package
[12:11] <lavigj> hawke_: yeah
[12:11] <waseem> hi how do i make it so that when i double click on a folder it doesnt open up a new window?
[12:11] <hawke_> lavigj: yeah, source-based distros handle mixing stuff like that a lot better.  that's one of their advantages.
[12:12] <hawke_> waseem: For one folder, you can hold down shift as you double click
[12:12] <ells> I am trying to share files between my linux box and my windows machine, is anyone familiar with how to set this up
[12:12] <waseem> hawke: thanks i appreciate the help
[12:12] <lavigj> hawke_: aye. precompiled binaries are nice though :)
[12:12] <Poofy> Heh
[12:12] <hawke_> waseem: There's a way to do it all the time too
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> waseem:  system->preferences->file managment, behavior, always open windows in a browser
[12:12] <hawke_> waseem: But I can't remember it.
[12:12] <Poofy> Stole my nickname! -pout-
[12:13] <lavigj> hawke_: sweet!!! no added deps
[12:13] <cr4z3d> what is irq 11?
[12:13] <hawke_> lavigj: cool
[12:13] <waseem> bluefoxicy: thanks
[12:13] <GarySaved> _jon_, So that would be 'apt-get ubuntu -upgrade' ?
[12:13] <GarySaved> I downloaded the ubuntu live CD image.  Should I boot to that, and work from there?
[12:14] <bascule> IRQ 11 us the eleventh Interrupt Request
[12:14] <bascule> a processor has 16
[12:14] <cr4z3d> hmm i get an error about that
[12:14] <cr4z3d> when the networking interface is being setup on boot
[12:14] <bascule> something abou nobody listening?
[12:14] <cr4z3d> yeah
[12:14] <bascule> s OK
[12:15] <bascule> apic is just being weird
[12:15] <cr4z3d> i thought i turned that off
[12:15] <cr4z3d> and apm on
[12:15] <cr4z3d> so that it wouldn't over heat
[12:15] <hawke_> cr4z3d: You sure you're not thinking of acpi?
[12:15] <hawke_> cr4z3d: acpi != apic
[12:15] <cr4z3d> oh
[12:15] <cr4z3d> what's the difference?
[12:15] <hawke_> acpi == advanced configuration and power interface
[12:15] <hawke_> apic = advanced programmable interrupt controller
[12:16] <cr4z3d> should i turn that off too?
[12:16] <cr4z3d> cuz i had that off before with noapic or something
[12:16] <hawke_> Only if it's causing problems, I'd say.
[12:18] <WW> Does Ubuntu use "devfs"?  I'm installing openvpn, and the installer want to know if I want to create a TUN/TAP device.  It says I should refuse if I am using devfs.
[12:18] <cj> how much memory should I have in a 333 PIII if I want to run ubuntu on it?
[12:18] <cj> WW: ls /dev/
[12:18] <bascule> 256 is comfortable 128 is tight, some would say not enpugh
[12:18] <cj> bascule: thank you.
[12:18] <cj> bascule: I can tell you that 64 is painful.
[12:19] <mjr> WW, no, ubuntu uses udev
[12:19] <bascule> yes it will be
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> alright this is crazy.
[12:19] <cr4z3d> hmm.. i can't get my wireless card to work on ubuntu.. but it worked during the installation what's up with that?
[12:19] <spacey> if you have 128 you should use a different window windowmanager
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~$ DISPLAY=:20 gdmchooser
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> AUDIT: Mon Feb 28 18:19:18 2005: 9696 Xnest: client 1 rejected from local host
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> Xlib: connection to ":20.0" refused by server
[12:19] <spacey> cj, you can try icewm with 64mb mem
[12:19] <spacey> :)
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> I can't open a connection to an X server I own
[12:19] <WW> mjr: Thanks.
[12:19] <cj> bascule: how's 160? :)
[12:19] <cj> hmm.. maybe I should just go for 256
[12:19] <bascule> cool enough I would say
[12:20] <mjr> ya, with 128 megs you might want to use eg. xfce4 instead of gnome
[12:20] <WW> cj: What should I learn from ls /dev/?
[12:20] <bascule> cj go 256 if you can
[12:20] <cj> WW: if there are a lot of entries, you've got a static dev list
[12:20] <cj> WW: but I don't know too much about it, so ignore me :)
[12:20] <WW> Does that answer the question about using "devfs"?
[12:20] <WW> cj: Ah, ok.
[12:20] <WW> :)
[12:20] <cj> WW: mostly.  few entries means either udev or devfs
[12:21] <cj> lots means static
[12:21] <cj> if I understand it, that is.  which I might not.
[12:21] <cr4z3d> er.. how do you get acpi to work.. my laptop keeps over heating
[12:21] <lavigj> dang it... why would you call a dependency that the distro doesn't have
[12:24] <racingcamel> how do I install java, I added the multiverse but i get an error when attempting to apt it
[12:24] <thoreauputic> racingcamel: http://ubuntuguide.org  has a section on installing java
[12:25] <lavigj> can someone please explain why a program would have a dependency that is not even availible yet in hoary? this seems very odd to me
[12:25] <sic> does it talk about how the sym link is broke?
[12:26] <cr4z3d> hey where can i get the hoary version of ubuntu?
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> oh this sucks.
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> I can't run the chooser because when i click it it closes the xnest window.
[12:27] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: have you tried asking on the ubuntu users mailing list? I'm sure someone would know
[12:27] <bluefoxicy> I should subscribe one day but I'm not
[12:27] <thoreauputic> or do a search on the archive
[12:28] <lavigj> has anyone here managed to install transcode?
[12:28] <tritium> lavigj, yes
[12:29] <lavigj> tritium: how? I keep getting numerous unresolvable dependencies
[12:29] <Yomic> Anyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I saw a couple of recnt threads about xdmcp
[12:29] <thoreauputic> *recent
[12:29] <bluefoxicy> heh
[12:29] <tritium> lavigj, added ftp.nerim.net repository, and apt-get install, and then apt-get installed it
[12:29] <bluefoxicy> about the chooser shutting down when clicked?
[12:29] <lavigj> tritium: hmm... ok. I will try that I guess.
[12:29] <tritium> apt-get update, I meant, then installed it
[12:29] <lavigj> I have the nerim repositiry
[12:30] <tritium> lavigj, I'm using Hoary.
[12:30] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I don't think you have to subscribe to send a question - could be wrong on that though
[12:30] <lavigj> tritium: shoot... hopefully it will work
[12:30] <tritium> I believe it should
[12:31] <lavigj> tritium: and I get the same error synaptics was giving me
[12:31] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: I think you could ask to be CC ed
[12:31] <lavigj> tritium: I even tried it with hoary sources and it won't go
[12:31] <mseney> I would just like to say that the guys doing the Ubuntu Updates are awesome. I just installed the 44 new ones on Hoary and it fixed my Sound Juicer and also my system sound even sounds better. Big Thanks!!!
[12:31] <tritium> lavigj, one moment...
[12:32] <lavigj> tritium: is i looking for libdvdread2, which has been superceded by 3 I think, and then a liborbis version that I can't seem to find
[12:33] <tritium> lavigj, the dependencies I see are for libdvdread3
[12:33] <paulsubunt1> Do you think the Hoary updates will have the plugins needed for the Totem Movie Player?
[12:34] <lavigj> tritium: I wonder why it is looking for dvdread2....
[12:34] <spiral> bye
[12:34] <mseney> paulsubunt1, not sure bud. brb
[12:34] <sigglet> lavigj: warty has them
[12:34] <sigglet> apt-get them
[12:34] <lavigj> sigglet: warty doesn't have libdvdread2, it has libdvdread3. transcode is calling for 2 as a dependency
[12:34] <tritium> lavigj, I'm using unstable from Marillat.  What are you using?
[12:34] <paulsubunt1> mseney: where do I get the Hoary updates?
[12:35] <lavigj> tritium: I was on warty... perhaps it's not going to work.
[12:35] <sigglet> you don't really need 2 if there is 3
[12:35] <sigglet> what do you need libdvd2 for?
[12:35] <lavigj> sigglet: tell that to transcode
[12:35] <tritium> lavigj, I'm referring to your ftp.nerim.net entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <sigglet> oh transcode is what your trying to use?
[12:35] <mseney> paulsubunt1, just do a $sudo apt-get update    and then   $sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:35] <sigglet> lavigj: what are you trying to do exactly?
[12:35] <mseney> brb
[12:35] <lavigj> sigglet: yeah, I am trying to get transcode to install, at all
[12:36] <sigglet> lavigj: I mean what are you wanting to use transcode for?
[12:36] <paulsubunt1> what is brb?
[12:36] <sigglet> be right back
[12:36] <lavigj> sigglet: it is getting stuck on libdvdread2 and liborbis0 regardles of if i use hoary or warty packages
[12:36] <sigglet> lavigj: I see... are you wanting to copy a dvd to hard disc ?
[12:36] <lavigj> sigglet: I finally found a decent guide for converting avi files to dvd, and it uses transcode
[12:37] <lavigj> sigglet: no
[12:37] <sigglet> what is it that you want transcode for?
[12:37] <paulsubunt1> mseney: thanks
[12:37] <sigglet> lavigj: http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/dvdauthor_howto.php
[12:37] <lavigj> sigglet: converting avi to a DVD compliant mpeg. the guide I found that walks through taking an avi to a DVD uses transcode
[12:37] <lavigj> sigglet: I will take a look, thanks
[12:38] <sigglet> 1) Accomplish transferring a video media file (.avi, .mpg, .wmv, .mov, .mkv, .ogm, etc.) to DVD media in a format that will allow it to be played on a standalone DVD player.
[12:38] <sigglet> still says you need transcode
[12:38] <sigglet> hmmm
[12:38] <lavigj> sigglet: tools needed> latest transcode
[12:38] <lavigj> sigglet: yeah, that's actually the guide I found
[12:38] <sigglet> sorry
[12:38] <tritium> lavigj, this is my entry: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:38] <sigglet> lavigj: let me see if I can install it
[12:38] <hawke_> lavigj: Where'd you get transcode from?
[12:39] <tritium> I can reinstall it just fine.
[12:39] <hawke_> lavigj: marillat?
[12:39] <lavigj> hawke_: it might still be pulling from warty sources
[12:39] <lavigj> hawke_: how do I tell it to use marillat?
[12:39] <hawke_> lavigj: Is transcode in warty/hoary?
[12:39] <sigglet> compile transcode yourself and tell it to use libdvdread3
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> Loiosh:  I've solved the problem.
[12:39] <lavigj> hawke_: yeah, but it won't install
[12:39] <lavigj> sigglet: I could, if I knew how to tell it that
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168834
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> :>
[12:39] <hawke_> lavigj: use the line from tritium
[12:39] <hawke_> lavigj: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:40] <hawke_> lavigj: or replace "unstable" with "testing" if you're on warty
[12:40] <lavigj> hawke_: I have both in my repositories already
[12:41] <crazydeb8r> hey hawke_: I owe you big time man, I got the QT video off the net just in time to watch it for class, and I got 20 extra credit points for it...
[12:41] <hawke_> lavigj: Better to have only one, either testing or unstable...
[12:41] <lavigj> hawke_: ok, I will correct that
[12:41] <sigglet> crazydeb8r: what video?
[12:41] <sigglet> link?
[12:41] <caseymorring> hey can someone please tell me how to find the development section in ubuntu
[12:41] <crazydeb8r> haha, it's for a class sigglet
[12:41] <sigglet> apt-cache search pkgname
[12:41] <crazydeb8r> you quite frankly wouldn't wqant to see it
[12:42] <hawke_> lavigj: I don't know which would be more compatible with warty though..
[12:42] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Cool, you owe me 20%, so 4 extra credit points. ;-)
[12:42] <lavigj> hawke_: geez, now it is looking for 3 packages
[12:42] <crazydeb8r> It was a music video for a film design class
[12:42] <hawke_> lavigj: what packages?
[12:42] <crazydeb8r> there.
[12:42] <shock> who knows how to forward ports on ipchains?
[12:42] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Sweet.  Thanks!
[12:43] <lavigj> hawke_ libavcodecscvs, libdvdread2, liborbis0
[12:43] <Yomic> Anyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?
[12:43] <shock> please?
[12:43] <shock> anyone?
[12:43] <hawke_> lavigj: should all be in marillat.  Does it say "...but are not available" or what?
[12:43] <Mooters> UBANTU IS supposed to work/Install on 1386 machines right?
[12:43] <hawke_> Mooters: It does, yes.
[12:44] <shock> i know ubuntu is young and up-to-date ... but my router shure isnt :P
[12:44] <shock> so?
[12:44] <hawke_> Mooters: unless you mean literally 80386 processors.
[12:44] <lavigj> hawke, "but is not going to be installed" and "but is not installable" for the last two
[12:44] <shock> anyone any clue about anchient ipchains?
[12:44] <Mooters> What would cause it to error while installing the base system?
[12:44] <Mooters> i386 sorry
[12:45] <hawke_> lavigj: What happens if you manually specify them on the commandline?
[12:45] <hawke_> Mooters: any number of things
[12:45] <hawke_> shock: I can't remember
[12:45] <hawke_> shock: been a long time since I used ipchains
[12:45] <Nekohayo> Hi.. something's making me wonder.. in winslows, if you type only one word in the firefox url bar, you get a lucky search done. However, in linux, you can't, you need to have two or more words. I hate this, is there a way to fix this?
[12:46] <Mooters> Let me go check the error report
[12:46] <lavigj> hawke_: might have found something... one moment
[12:46] <Dr_willis> lucky search? Hmmm
[12:46] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: works here with one word
[12:46] <lavigj> hawke_: it is saying something aobut "Package libvorbis0 has not installation candidate"
[12:46] <jguy584> can anyone help me with changing the screen resolution...i just installed ubuntu today
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: firefox 1.0 on warty
[12:47] <hawke_> lavigj: That's strange, I don't think there ever was a libvorbis0...
[12:47] <Nekohayo> thoreauputic, same (firefox 1.0 BACKPORTED) for warty
[12:47] <hawke_> lavigj: there's libvorbis0a
[12:47] <robodex> what's the command to convert rpm to deb?
[12:47] <hawke_> lavigj: and that's in Ubuntu directly.
[12:47] <hawke_> robodex: alien
[12:47] <lavigj> hawke_: yeah, I wonder if it would take that
[12:47] <robodex> thx
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: mine isn't a backport - it's a binary from mozilla.org
[12:48] <hawke_> lavigj: If not, unstable is the way to go..
[12:48] <lavigj> hawke_: hell, it is probably a typo for whoever made the package
[12:48] <dtyge1> hi folks. Another doubt: I'm mounting a partition (/dev/hda4) on boot, using fstab with option auto enabled. Well, I cannot change the uid and the gid of the folder. Is there any option in fstab which enables me to do that?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: dunno if that makes any difference though
[12:48] <hawke_> lavigj: There may have been a simple libvorbis0 at some time in the past..I can't remember.
[12:48] <Nekohayo> thoreauputic, hmm I could compile it.. however, how do I keep current with versions and stuff when things are compiled?
[12:48] <sic> jguy584: click Computer---> System Configuration --> Screen resolution
[12:48] <Dr_willis> dtyge1,  wahat kind of partion is it?
[12:48] <dtyge1> vfat dr_willis
[12:48] <hawke_> dtyge1: uid= if it's a vfat
[12:48] <hawke_> dtyge1: and gid=
[12:49] <dtyge1> hawke: yes
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: I just bunged it in /usr/local - no need to compile
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Nekohayo: I just downloaded the installer
[12:49] <dtyge1> hawke: but if I set uid and gid in fstab, I cannot change the id of a specific folder...
[12:49] <hawke_> dtyge1: Correct.
[12:49] <hawke_> dtyge1: that's not possible
[12:49] <Dr_willis> dtyge1,  then you MUST use the uid/gid/users options in the fstab to set  permissins and things.
[12:49] <Nekohayo> thoreauputic, hmm.. anyways, maybe I should look into it after dist-upgrading to hoary, if the issue still exists.. thanks for the tip
[12:49] <hawke_> dtyge1: vfat has no concept of uid/gid
[12:50] <dtyge1> hawke and willis: but what if I want to change the different uid's inside the folder:
[12:50] <dtyge1> ?
[12:50] <Dr_willis> dtyge1,  simple.. you cant. :P
[12:50] <dtyge1> ooooh, damn...
[12:50] <Dr_willis> at least not that i have ever seen/heard of...
[12:51] <dtyge1> I'm trying to install mambo. So I do a untar on it but it complains that it can't change the uid...
[12:51] <lavigj> hawke_: damn. I have libvorbis0a installed already.
[12:51] <hawke_> lavigj: try the unstable then...
[12:52] <lavigj> hawke_: I am on unstable... i thought
[12:52] <lavigj> hawke_: is there a way to tell it what repository specifically to use?
[12:52] <hawke_> lavigj: well, the only thing providing transcode should be marillat.  ... you could try 'apt-get install transcode/unstable'
[12:53] <lavigj> hawke_: nm,... I misunderstood. one moment and I will try
[12:54] <lavigj> hawke_: still nothing... this is getting really frustrating.
[12:54] <lavigj> hawke_: I think that libvorbis0 is the hold up for all this.
[12:55] <Yomic> Anyone know how to setup a Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter?
[12:55] <hawke_> lavigj: Can you paste your sources.list into a /msg?
[12:56] <lavigj> hawke_: different machine, so it will take a minute
[12:56] <cr4z3d> hmm if i did the update thing on ubuntu would that update the kernel to one that worked good with acpi.. i need acpi to work cuz my laptop over heats without it
[12:56] <hawke_> cr4z3d: would be worth a shot, certainly.
[12:56] <Yomic> I'll start quoting Napolian Nynomite if no one helps me >:(
[12:56] <Yomic> ;-;
[12:57] <cr4z3d> ok.. now i just have to maek sure i can do it without it over heating before it's done
[12:57] <Seq> Yomic: GOSH!
[12:57] <Yomic> Friggin' idiot...
[12:57] <Quest-Master> I am here to the rescue Yomic
[12:57] <Quest-Master> 8)
[12:57] <Yomic> :DDDDDD
[12:57] <Yomic> :)))x7
[01:05] <Frodo> hi all
[01:08] <sic> sup Frodo
[01:09] <Quest-Master> Would anyone know where the .inf file for the Netopia 802.11b USB Adapter would be? I need to help a friend install it with ndiswrapper
[01:12] <crazydeb8r> how do you all play .m4a files?
[01:13] <sic> Quest-Master: not to be an ass but this might work if nothing else does:   http://www.netopia.com/en-us/support/contact_us.html
[01:13] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:14] <sic> Quest-Master: do you even know if there is linux support at all?
[01:14] <Quest-Master> According to Yomic, there isn't
[01:14] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[01:14] <Dr_willis> assuming my X config is totally trashed.. how do ya go about remakeing a new default config?
[01:15] <sic> rm -f /bin/*
[01:15] <sic> just kidding
[01:15] <sic> hehe
[01:16] <thoreauputic> drastic way would be apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfrre86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[01:16] <thoreauputic> or xorg
[01:16] <jesuel> ack sic
[01:16] <jesuel> sic, that would be bad
[01:16] <sic> I know
[01:16] <sic> when I first started using linux some nice person did that to me
[01:17] <jesuel> although, ive done rm -rf /*
[01:17] <Buggz> I installed Ubuntu fresh on my little server, but when I first boot it up, it says "I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface).  I tis likely that it is not set up correctly."  I've tried installing twice, with the same result.
[01:17] <thoreauputic> but if the xconfig file hasn't been hand-edited, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:17] <Buggz> Is there something I need to do first to get it to work+
[01:18] <jesuel> Buggz: what video card do you have anyhow?
[01:18] <sic> Buggz: What vid card
[01:18] <sic> hehe
[01:18] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  aha! server-xfree86... i was doing common-xfree86! :p
[01:18] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  so what if i move/delete the messed up config?
[01:18] <Buggz> It's quite old, so I'm not really sure.  It is some kind of very early ATI card, probably a Rage128
[01:19] <Dr_willis> not sure whats going on.. but it JUST now worked.. when i rebooted..  :)
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: unfortunately that won't be enough - it checks the md5 sum
[01:19] <jesuel> hum...
[01:19] <Dr_willis> Doh - guess when you install nvidia stuff you need to reboot? to get modules loaded right?
[01:19] <sic> thoreauputic: isn't there a sample config...and if so can't he copy that one over?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: I eould think either reboot or restart X, yes
[01:19] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  well the guide said restart X. but that dident work.. i got annoyed and rebooted.. and it worked :P
[01:19] <thoreauputic> sic: you may be right - don't know
[01:20] <Dr_willis> now lets check the glxgears!
[01:20] <Buggz> I've used several GUIs before with Fedora on that very same computer & graphics card.
[01:20] <sic> thoreauputic: I was having similar trouble with suse...had to copy a sample config over to fix...but that was suse
[01:21] <jesuel> Buggz: ive had that issue. I just cant remember what fixed it ;p
[01:21] <Dr_willis> the initial install did not make a working X config.. i had to use one from Morphix live cd. :P
[01:21] <jesuel> of course, I Just wokeu p
[01:21] <sic> good to find a home
[01:21] <jesuel> sic: aye
[01:22] <Buggz> I burn a live cd, boot my computer with it, and..?
[01:22] <Dr_willis> 17500 FPS in  glxgears.. yea. :P
[01:22] <sic> have you tried the i386 cd...not the live?
[01:22] <Buggz> that's what I've been installing with
[01:22] <sic> ahh
[01:22] <Buggz> with and without online package downloads
[01:23] <sic> that is weird though...it should run, just at low res
[01:23] <jesuel> ouch Mooters
[01:23] <jesuel> dialup yuck
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Buggz: some people have had success by copying XF86Config-4 or whatever from a working install or live CD
[01:24] <Buggz> so it's a known issue?
[01:24] <Mooters> I have to depend on others for things like live cd isos or anything over 20 megs
[01:24] <sic> or you could just get a newer vid card..hehehe
[01:24] <sic> Mooters: bit torrent sucks on dial up doesn't...muahahahaha
[01:24] <Mooters> yes.
[01:25] <sic> hehe
[01:25] <Mooters> hey
[01:25] <sic> jk
[01:25] <Buggz> well, it's for a least noteworthy computer, so I don't think I want to bother doing that yet..
[01:25] <Mooters> it gets rid of telemarketers
[01:25] <thoreauputic> Buggz: if you mean is it a knownissue that getting X to work on Linux is sometimes difficult, then yeah ;-)
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Buggz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  is always worth a try
[01:26] <Mooters> I <3 Gmail
[01:26] <waseem> hi how do i search for a file on my system?
[01:26] <sic> locate yourfile
[01:26] <Buggz> the web page said that updating while installing will "gnomeify" Ubuntu.  i thought it use gnome anyway..
[01:26] <thoreauputic> waseem: run sudo updatedb  then use  `locate <file>`
[01:26] <Buggz> thoreauputic, what does that line do?
[01:26] <Yomic> Any one know where I can find Netopia 802.11b WLAN USB Adapter drivers for linux?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Buggz: asks you questions about setting up X
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Buggz: and writes a config file
[01:28] <Buggz> and by the way, I never got any prompt for a root password while installing..
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Buggz: that's right - use sudo in ubuntu
[01:28] <Buggz> is it set to something standard until I change it or how do I get it?
[01:28] <sic> Yomic: http://www.netopia.com/en-us/support/contact_us.html  while you are looking you should shoot them a question...you never know
[01:28] <thoreauputic> sudo <command>
[01:29] <thoreauputic> Buggz: by default, there is no root password
[01:29] <Buggz> so a blank password should log me in as root?!
[01:29] <thoreauputic> you use sudo with your user password
[01:29] <sic> Buggz: type sudo su  and for a password put yours...the one it asked for...then change your password while as root
[01:29] <cocol> use ur user passwd
[01:30] <sic> right
[01:31] <Buggz> then I'll have a try.  Thanks for the help, I'll probably be back.
[01:31] <sic> peace brotha Buggz
[01:32] <Frodo> HI there Thor
[01:32] <jesuel> mmm
[01:32] <thoreauputic> hi Frodo
[01:32] <jesuel> 2005-02-28 18:30:33 speed test @ dfw.speakeasy.net 14022/1828 kbps
[01:32] <jesuel> *burp*
[01:32] <jesuel> I guess i got my networking issues figured out.
[01:32] <Frodo> like your name...thoughtful
[01:33] <sic> I like your name, bag ooooonz
[01:33] <sic> sorry..couldn't resist
[01:33] <Buggz> the graphics driver was set to 'glide', so I'm not really surprised it didn't work.
[01:34] <sic> hahah
[01:34] <sic> right on
[01:34] <Buggz> what driver should I set it to?
[01:35] <sic> hmmm
[01:35] <sic> last time I did that manually it gave me a list
[01:35] <Buggz> didn't recognize too many of them
[01:35] <Buggz> yeah, I have a list, but I'm not really sure what to choose
[01:35] <sic> its an ATI right?
[01:36] <Buggz> yep
[01:36] <Buggz> VGA should be safe, but not so good looking..
[01:36] <sic> right
[01:36] <sic> are there a lot of them?
[01:36] <Buggz> yep
[01:36] <sic> you may have to try a few that are close...it would help if you knew exactly what card it is
[01:36] <titus`> hello
[01:37] <sic> yo
[01:37] <Frodo> Thanks sic, just got what u said...  :)  a little thick upstairs
[01:37] <sic> Buggz: I would power the maching down and remove the card and try to identify it
[01:37] <Frodo> lol, not u ... me
[01:37] <rj__> I'am using hoary, I'am trying to install kernel-image-2.4-686 but theres a problem
[01:37] <sic> Frodo: :)
[01:37] <rj__> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:37] <rj__>   kernel-image-2.4-686: Depends: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 but it is not installable
[01:37] <rj__> :(
[01:37] <Buggz> I will.
[01:38] <titus`> do you know if this is possible to rotate screen with an ATI 7500 ?
[01:38] <Frodo> I am back to Warty, had serious concerns about Hoary on my system...I will float with Warty a few more months
[01:38] <sic> titus`: never know until you try
[01:38] <sic> :)
[01:39] <titus`> I tried with xrandr but unfurtunatelly
[01:39] <Frodo> Warty is a lesson in gnome for me, and I am actually beginning to like it...I came from years of kde
[01:40] <sic> this is my first time with gnome and I am liking it very much
[01:40] <Frodo> I cant believe I am liking it, I used to hate it, but Ubuntu changed that because of its superior and intuitive design
[01:42] <sic> ubuntu is just clean...it feels like a cool autumn day
[01:42] <jdub> ha ha, autumn :)
[01:42] <sic> well as long as we are kissing ubuntu's arse I thought I would be artistic about it
[01:43] <ver1stead> anyone know why Ubuntu takes forever to boot?
[01:44] <Buggz> looks like I've forgotten about an old voodo2 card I "stored" in there, and Ubuntu got a little confused about it
[01:44] <Frodo> lol Sic, I am not kissing up to Ubuntu, I am just stating facts...in fact, I consider Hoary dangerous to me at this time, so no great achievement in it yet
[01:44] <ver1stead> i mean it takes like almost 10 minutes to boot for me
[01:44] <robodex> ver1stead: slow computer, maybe? I'm running a 667 and it takes about 3 minutes to get to gdm...
[01:44] <sic> verlstead: yours takes forever to boot? mine boots pretty fast on a 1.3GHz system on a ata133 hdd
[01:45] <sic> 1.5Gb of ram too
[01:45] <sic> :)
[01:45] <Buggz> it's a ATI Rage128 that's in there alright.
[01:45] <Frodo> I take about 1 minute to boot Ubuntu, Mepis is slightly faster
[01:45] <ver1stead> and then when i shut the lid of my iBook it won't properly show up again, it always shows a black screen looking for wifi access points
[01:45] <ver1stead> wtf?
[01:45] <sic> Buggz: right on bro...you'll have it up in no time now
[01:45] <ver1stead> i wonder why it takes so damn long for me
[01:45] <ver1stead> and i dnt have a stupid slow computer
[01:46] <kent> my 2,4ghz+ amd boots fast aswell, I just dont like seeing init messages on boot. I want a graphical boot, or veri minimal text like "booting Ubuntu [kernel, network, audio, etc] "
[01:46] <ver1stead> it is a g3/500
[01:46] <Frodo> u are using laptop Veri?
[01:46] <Buggz> I've got to get my own scrwedriver soon...
[01:46] <Buggz> *screwdriver
[01:46] <Nekohayo> Hi, I'm willing to dist-upgrade to hoary, but will Xorg automatically replace xfree? I've dug the forums and wikis, but haven't found something very satisfying my question (using an nvidia geforce 5200)
[01:46] <ver1stead> Frodo: yea
[01:47] <sic> ver1stead: does it fail any of the startups?
[01:47] <ver1stead> ah... i gotta look again
[01:47] <ver1stead> but i'm on OS X right now
[01:47] <ver1stead> i dnt think it should
[01:47] <ver1stead> i installed everything
[01:47] <Frodo> Veristead: it seems that you have extra boot services enabled that you may not need, probably hardware detection is the culprit...
[01:48] <ver1stead> damn you hardware detection thing
[01:48] <ver1stead> how do i disable that
[01:48] <ver1stead> ?
[01:48] <Frodo> you can turn what you don't need off
[01:48] <sic> I like doing that with redhat...saves me dependency hell...just get a big old hdd and install every RPM in existence..bahahah
[01:49] <Frodo> I've never had any luck with Redhat or Fedora, in fact, they made me hate gnome at first...
[01:49] <rj__> are there any working packages of linux 2.4 for ubuntu available?
[01:49] <Chipzz> *sigh*
[01:49] <Chipzz> I'm sick of this
[01:50] <robodex> rj__: probably not... why do you want to run 2.4 anyway?
[01:50] <rj__> I've enabled universe, but all the 2.4 packages are broken :/
[01:50] <Chipzz> does ubuntu have ftp archives too?
[01:50] <Frodo> What Chipzz?
[01:50] <Chipzz> http is barfing up on me the whole time
[01:50] <Chipzz> it totally stinks
[01:50] <Frodo> hmmm Chipzz I dont know
[01:50] <rj__> robodex, i have a riptide soundcard, the only driver available is produced by linuxant.com, it only supports linux 2.4
[01:51] <robodex> rj__: ah, makes sense
[01:51] <robodex> I don't think 2.4 is supported though
[01:51] <robodex> I could be wrong though
[01:51] <Nekohayo> say, where could I get hoary ISOs? (yeah, isos, like a livecd for instance) ^^
[01:51] <Frodo> Chipzz all my repos for Ubuntu are http
[01:51] <ver1stead> and one other thing.... i partitioned my hd one partition has OS X and the other has Ubutnu installed, and it seems that the partition with OS X is not recognized in Ubuntu cuz it doesn't mount
[01:52] <Chipzz> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[01:52] <ver1stead> and Ubuntus partition won't mount in OS X
[01:52] <Chipzz> 19% [3 Packages 43440/2878kB 1%]                                                                                                                                        55.7kB/s 38s
[01:52] <Chipzz> bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
[01:52] <Chipzz>         Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
[01:52] <Chipzz> I keep getting these errors
[01:52] <rj__> robodex, i read that it wasnt supported, alltho it seems to exist in universe, from what i've found on google i need to make a few changes to the XF86-4 config file and a few other things.
[01:52] <Chipzz> wtf is wrong?
[01:52] <cocol> Nekohayo look at the top of this page
[01:52] <Nekohayo> oh sorry ;)
[01:53] <Frodo> Chipzz I was having a problem with Ubuntu getting some updates, wonder if it is the mirrors at this time...
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 425387 543120
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 2209042 2877523
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 160096 197072
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 866053 1122699
[01:53] <Chipzz> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 48999 60814
[01:53] <ver1stead> maybe i will reinstall it
[01:53] <ver1stead> and see what happens
[01:54] <Frodo> Veristead....try Xandros...lol
[01:54] <rj__> i found a 2.4.26 kernel image for ubuntu, im gonna give it a go.
[01:54] <Chipzz> either apt is broken or the mirrors ware
[01:54] <Chipzz> are
[01:54] <Frodo> I think I just cussed in this room...
[01:55] <robodex> ewww Xandros
[01:55] <Frodo> sorry ... I repent..
[01:55] <robodex> last time I used Xandros I somehow converted my entire system to a vanilla debian system by using apt-get upgrade
[01:56] <rj__> lol
[01:56] <Frodo> I did the same lame thing Robo...it was fun though
[01:56] <robodex> yeah
[01:56] <ver1stead> well...... ok then......... i jst discovered that the /whois command ain't working on xchat either
[01:56] <Quarupt> MAn Ubuntu is the best
[01:56] <ver1stead> wtf
[01:56] <Frodo> I learned about debian more
[01:56] <ver1stead> ok i hate this shit
[01:56] <Quarupt> What source do i need to add to get mplayer2?
[01:56] <robodex> well the reason I like ubuntu is because its apt sources are actually MADE for it, as opposed to Xandros where the apt sources are mostly made for debian :P
[01:56] <Frodo> Ubuntu rules!!!
[01:56] <ver1stead> it's official
[01:57] <ver1stead> Frodo: i bet it does when one can get it to work properly
[01:57] <ver1stead> seemingly i am having trouble doing that
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ver1stead: /whois works fine - try switching vback to the freenode chan for output
[01:57] <Frodo> veri come to private with me
[01:57] <robodex> well after I "upgraded" nothing would run anymore :\
[01:57] <WW> Hello, world.
[01:57] <robodex> no sound, and most programs crashed
[01:57] <AlphaZero> anyone here installed the clearlooks theme on warty?
[01:57] <AlphaZero> theme engine i mean
[01:57] <thoreauputic> AlphaZero: yes
[01:57] <WW> I'm mucking around with openvpn, and I don't really know what I'm doing.
[01:58] <WW> Once I have openvpn running, how do I use it?
[01:58] <robodex> but that's not as bad as when I updated SuSE and somehow lost bonobo and gtk
[01:58] <sic> ha...someone else said the "S" word...I am redeemed!!!
[01:58] <AlphaZero> thoreauputic was it easy to do?
[01:58] <Quest-Master> Ack
[01:58] <Quest-Master> SUSE
[01:58] <Quest-Master> Horrible days
[01:58] <Quest-Master> :(
[01:58] <Deviant> Is there some sort of Bittorrent program I can use with Ubuntu?
[01:59] <robodex> suse is painful
[01:59] <sic> azureus
[01:59] <thoreauputic> AlphaZero: I just followed the instructions on gnomelook.org, IIRC
[01:59] <Quest-Master> Deviant: Azureus, thought it hogs memory
[01:59] <robodex> it's pretty, and that's about all it has going for itself :p
[01:59] <cocol> azureus
[01:59] <WW> How would I login in to my office computer on the remote network if I am connected to a vpn server?
[01:59] <cocol> Deviant Azureus
[01:59] <jdub> WW: vnc or ssh
[01:59] <Deviant> anything else besides Azureus?
[01:59] <superx10> bittornado
[01:59] <sic> WW: the ports would need to be open by whoever set up the vpn
[02:00] <Quest-Master> Deviant: ABC
[02:00] <Deviant> can I apt-get it?
[02:00] <Quest-Master> No
[02:00] <Quest-Master> It's at sourceforge
[02:00] <Quest-Master> You can apt-get for BitTornado though
[02:00] <WW> sic: ...and?
[02:01] <superx10> and bittornado-gui
[02:01] <sic> Deviant: its not a hard install though...I installed azureus on suse and it worked beautifully
[02:01] <sic> WW: use your favorite ssh client or vnc to connect
[02:01] <Deviant> k thanks
[02:01] <WW> sic: Sorry, I really don't know much about how vpn works.  All I know now is that I was told that ssh has been disabled, and I have to use vpn.
[02:02] <WW> sic, jdub: OK, I'll check out vnc.
[02:02] <AlphaZero> ok thor, i'll give it a try
[02:02] <sic> WW: did your network admin tell you what vpn client to use?
[02:02] <sic> WW:on a windows box you can just add another network connection
[02:03] <jdub> WW: go to "Remote Desktop" in preferences to turn it on at the host
[02:03] <WW> sic: All I have so far is the ip address.  When I said my home computer runs linux, the tech guy that said, basically, "Oh. Sorry, I can't help you"
[02:03] <WW> s/that/that I talked to/
[02:04] <sic> WW: oooo...are you good at vpn tunnelling?
[02:04] <WW> sic: I'm as good at that as I am at brain surgery.
[02:04] <sic> WW: I gave up trying to hit our VPN with my linux box...I just use my windows box..its easier
[02:04] <WW> sic: Hmm...  I don't have a windows box.
[02:05] <sic> WW: the box you have to connect to at work a windows box?
[02:06] <Buggz> sic, I'm going to remove the voodoo2 and do a reinstall, I had some problems with setting up my real graphics card that a reinstall would do for me automatically.  Thanks for all the help, though!
[02:06] <WW> sic: Both my home computer and the computer that I ultimately want to connect to are linux.  Presumably the vpn server that I have to go through is windows.
[02:07] <sic> Buggz: alright man...good luck...at least it is a fast install
[02:07] <Buggz> well fast & fast, you haven't seen that computer at 'work' ;)  good night.
[02:07] <sic> hhehe
[02:07] <WW> sic: Don't forget, I may have a completely incorrect picture of how this is supposed to work.
[02:08] <DagaZ> anybody here using warty and have installed php/mysql and got it working?
[02:08] <cafuego> DagaZ: Yes. amd64 too. works fine.
[02:09] <cafuego> no, I lie. that's hoary.
[02:09] <DagaZ> cafuego: crap ;-) phpmyadmin works fine.. but not my site..
[02:09] <cafuego> DagaZ: Any errors?
[02:10] <DagaZ> cafuego: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/test5/addentry.php on line 18
[02:10] <cafuego> DagaZ: That normally indicates mysql.so isn't being loaded in php.ini
[02:11] <DagaZ> cafuego: which is this.. mysql_connect("localhost:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock","phpuser","pass");
[02:11] <DagaZ> cafuego: but if it wasn't loaded phpmyadmin wouldn't work would it?
[02:11] <geppy> How can I back up my webserver files?  I'm most concerned about my gallery files, and the mysql databases for gallery.
[02:11] <cafuego> DagaZ: Ah, mysql;_connect('localhost', 'user','pass');
[02:11] <cafuego> DagaZ: it'll automagically use the socket.
[02:12] <karsten> What's the size of the Warty Warthog install disk?  I've got ~523MB with read errors.  Is that small?
[02:12] <waseem> hi does anyone know how to locate all the history conversations on gaim
[02:12] <geppy> waseem:  cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./
[02:13] <DagaZ> cafuego: ok.. I added the socket since it isn't using the default /tmp/mysqld.sock
[02:13] <waseem> geppy: cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./
[02:13] <waseem> oops
[02:13] <waseem> i mean
[02:13] <waseem> root@waseem:~ # cd ~/.gaim/logs && nautilus ./
[02:13] <waseem> bash: cd: /root/.gaim/logs: No such file or directory
[02:14] <karsten> waseem: Stop running gaim as root.
[02:14] <geppy> waseem:  yeah, don't run stuff as root
[02:14] <waseem> oops ok thanks
[02:14] <superx10> does anyone know how to get the nvidia drivers to work? i tried the directions on ubuntuguide, but to no avail..
[02:15] <geppy> superx10: warty, or hoary?
[02:15] <superx10> warty
[02:15] <Quarupt> Anyone know how and if it worh it to get ATI 3d support?
[02:16] <superx10> least, i think it's warty.. i did an "apt-get upgrade", would that have changed it?
[02:17] <geppy> superx10:  not unless you added hoary to your sources.list
[02:17] <geppy> did you run glx-config enable?
[02:17] <geppy> erm
[02:17] <geppy> nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:17] <superx10> yeah.. if you like, i can run down the steps i did
[02:17] <geppy> superx10:  well, I'm on my way out, sorry
[02:17] <karsten> superx10: Nwhat geppy said.
[02:17] <geppy> Perhaps karsten can help you. =)
[02:18] <Quarupt> superx10, ya talkin to me?
[02:18] <superx10> uhhhh i could be, could you help? lol
[02:20] <Quarupt> No I want someone to help me set up 3d for ATI
[02:21] <superx10> oh.. then i have no clue..
[02:21] <Quarupt> Anyone know a good partioner, with x support would be nice
[02:22] <sic> Quarupt: download the system rescue iso
[02:23] <sic> lemme find you a link
[02:23] <Quarupt> system resue iso?
[02:23] <sic> http://www.sysresccd.org/
[02:23] <Quarupt> what is that?
[02:24] <Quarupt> i just want a X front end for parted
[02:24] <Quarupt> my system is fine
[02:24] <Quarupt> lol
[02:24] <sic> hehe
[02:25] <Quarupt> I just want a parted front end, doesnt seem to be any in the repositories
[02:25] <sic> partimage is a really good partioner
[02:25] <bretzel> "qparted" or "qtparted" ??
[02:25] <sic> QtParted  is a Partition Magic clone for Linux.
[02:25] <Quarupt> Yea i remeber that
[02:25] <Quarupt> where can i get it?
[02:25] <sic> its on that cd
[02:25] <bretzel> synaptic
[02:25] <sic> :)
[02:25] <saphari_> hey guys
[02:25] <sic> or synaptic
[02:25] <sic> hehe
[02:25] <LinuxJones> Quarupt, gparted is in universe
[02:25] <sic> guess I just really like that cd
[02:25] <saphari_> how do i get xmms to play continously?
[02:26] <Quarupt> whats the address for the universe and multiverse sources?
[02:26] <benny> make a playlist
[02:26] <saphari_> i like a flow of music
[02:26] <saphari_> how when i am using a cd
[02:26] <Quarupt> ?
[02:26] <PacoBCN> sphari, you mean by clickin the "repeat" button?
[02:26] <saphari_> or next
[02:26] <benny> if you have a playlist it should cycle through your songs
[02:27] <saphari_> can you help me
[02:27] <Quarupt> Multiverse and Univers Sources, anyone know where i can get the addresses to add to synaptic>
[02:27] <sic> Quarupt: set it in the repositories in synaptic
[02:27] <Quarupt> ?
[02:27] <PacoBCN> saphari, do you have xmms open?
[02:27] <sic> the only two with universe on the end...just check them off
[02:27] <Quarupt> I am in repositories in synaptic all boxes are cheched i dont see the universe and multiverse ones?
[02:27] <saphari_> yes and a song paying
[02:28] <saphari_> not paying
[02:28] <saphari_> lol
[02:28] <sic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=Universe
[02:28] <PacoBCN> sapary, click the button saying "PL"
[02:28] <saphari_> well it has stopped now
[02:28] <PacoBCN> saphari, it will open the "play list"
[02:29] <saphari_> ok just a sec
[02:29] <Quarupt> qtparted wasnt in the universe :(
[02:29] <saphari_> got to find it
[02:29] <benny> right click on xmms and click on the playlist editor option( i think thats what its called) then add songs to it by using the little + symbol in hte bottom left corno of the playlist editor
[02:29] <PacoBCN> saphari, which shows the songs it will play. If you only open 1 file you will just see one line
[02:29] <PacoBCN> good
[02:29] <LinuxJones> Quarupt, yes it is apt-get update first
[02:29] <PacoBCN> saphari, now, behind pl you will see a "REP" button
[02:29] <PacoBCN> saphari, press that too
[02:29] <PacoBCN> it will enable the loop
[02:29] <Quarupt> okay
[02:29] <sic> Quarupt: just in case the universe option doesn't work for you:  http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/download.en.html
[02:30] <LinuxJones> Quarupt, if you in synaptic hit reload then search again
[02:30] <PacoBCN> saphari, now, all files (songs) in the playlist will be played for ever and ever...
[02:30] <saphari_> hang on let me catch up
[02:30] <PacoBCN> saphari, in other words, it works exactly same way than Winamp for windows
[02:31] <PacoBCN> (Am I allowed to say "windows" here) ;)
[02:31] <bzbb> its cold out, I better make sure the windows are closed
[02:31] <sic> INFIDEL...kill the Bill Gates worshipper!!!!!
[02:31] <PounK> hello, how to use nvidia driver in horay
[02:32] <PacoBCN> PounK, what do you mean by "to use"?
[02:32] <Quarupt> Must be a bug, the QTparted window is to long to fit in my screen and i cant resize it
[02:32] <PacoBCN> Pounk, how to enable 3d acceleration, you mean?
[02:32] <PounK> yes, install.. in horay..
[02:32] <PounK> hoary
[02:32] <PacoBCN> well, PounK, it should be exactly the same than Warty
[02:33] <PounK> ok, I has an error, I retry..
[02:33] <PacoBCN> Pounk, in other words, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[02:33] <superx10> that's what i did :-\
[02:34] <PacoBCN> and then "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[02:34] <lavigj> anyone in here use transcode?
[02:34] <Quarupt> Is there a way to unmount partitions from inside QTparted?
[02:35] <lavigj> all that work to get beat down once it is working
[02:39] <saphari_> i must be doing something wrong
[02:39] <PacoBCN> saphari, tell me
[02:39] <saphari_> i got the playlist editor open
[02:39] <PacoBCN> ok
[02:39] <saphari_> i can play one song and it stops
[02:40] <saphari_> the song that is highlighted
[02:40] <Quarupt> Is there a program for mounting and unmount with an X frontend, like an easy way to set up automounting and stuff?
[02:40] <PacoBCN> is the light in REP on?
[02:42] <sleeper>  #ubuntu-es
[02:42] <saphari_> it just kept repeating the same song
[02:42] <error_29> sleeper, use /join before that
[02:43] <cr4z3d> nah he just wants to advertise
[02:43] <sleeper> yes sorry
[02:45] <Quarupt> whats the name of the package i need to compile stuff?
[02:45] <Quarupt> i installed gcc
[02:45] <Quarupt> but i guess that wasnt enough?
[02:45] <lavigj> anyone here with transcode experience?
[02:45] <PacoBCN> saphari, here you will find everything about the proper use of XMMS: http://www.xmms.org/docs/readme.php
[02:46] <dido161> anyone has been able to install ubuntu on QLA2100?
[02:46] <saphari_> thanks
[02:47] <lavigj> can anyone offer some transcode help?
[02:47] <PacoBCN> saphari, you're welcome
[02:48] <Quarupt> why cant i build Gtilla?
[02:48] <lavigj> has anyone been able to get the audio export module in transcode to work?
[02:49] <Quarupt> I cant build anything from source, what the package that has all the compilers and libs and stuff?
[02:50] <dido161> has anyone been able to install Ubuntu on a QLA2100? Mine does not see the fiber drives at all!
[02:50] <Quarupt> ?
[02:51] <lavigj> Quarupt: do you have the dev packages for the deps of what you are building?
[02:51] <Quarupt> I cant build anything
[02:51] <Quarupt> its not just one thing
[02:52] <Quarupt> I dont think i have any compilers, i thought i remebered just installing one package last time and it gave me all these devel tools?
[02:52] <lavigj> ok, for whatever you are building, do you have the dev packages for the dependencies
[02:52] <lavigj> unfortunately, I don't remember all that I had to install
[02:52] <Quarupt> Its not the devs im worried about, i dont have any compilers
[02:53] <lavigj> then get gcc?
[02:53] <Quarupt> i installed it
[02:53] <Quarupt> I am trying to build Qtella
[02:53] <lavigj> ok, then you have a compiler. did you get make?
[02:54] <sic> oops
[02:54] <sic> wrong channel..sorry
[02:54] <Quarupt> I cant even run the configure script
[02:54] <lavigj> did you install package make
[02:54] <lavigj> it is what allows you to run the configure script,afaik
[02:54] <Quarupt> make comes with the base system
[02:55] <lavigj> well, as far as I know that's all you should need to run ./configure
[02:55] <YankDownUnder> Consistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?
[02:55] <Quarupt> try to build Qtella and tell me if ya can do it
[02:56] <Quarupt> I just want a good P@P
[02:56] <Quarupt> p2p
[02:58] <YankDownUnder> Consistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?
[02:58] <dido161> has anyone been able to install Ubuntu on a QLA2100? Mine does not see the fiber drives at all!
[03:00] <lavigj> is anyone in here using transcode?
[03:01] <YankDownUnder> Consistantly getting "Unable to install initrd-tools" error during instally of Hoary Array 5 on a system - any clues?
[03:02] <Chipzz> YankDownUnder: yes - you're repeating yourself :P
[03:02] <bur[n] er> anyone use a radeon and get 32 bit color?  I can only get up to 24
[03:03] <geppy> burner:  I doubt it.
[03:03] <cr4z3d> the radeon something something isn't fully supported yet
[03:04] <cr4z3d> i always get that message on my laptop
[03:04] <lavigj> can someone please offer some suggestions on how to get a working transcode in ubuntu?
[03:04] <bur[n] er> just curious... i never look into video stuff ;)
[03:05] <bur[n] er> thanks for the feedback
[03:08] <MindZEye> Does anyone know what triggers gam_server?
[03:09] <MindZEye> It keeps getting its hooks into my memory stick mount and preventing me from cleanly unmounting it.
[03:13] <Odin2347> hi
[03:21] <Deviant> whats is call supposed to do in linux?
[03:21] <Darwin> i need paste the sources.list...which page make
[03:26] <foznot> in hoary, using gnome, is it possible to have different background pictures on the four workspaces?
[03:26] <jdub> foznot: no, not yet.
[03:26] <foznot> k, thanks...
[03:27] <jdub> foznot: when someone writes the right patch, upstream will most likely accept it. :)
[03:27] <jdub> hasn't been done for a long time
[03:27] <Pluk> hi all
[03:30] <Quarupt> anyone got limewire for linux to wrok?
[03:30] <Frodo> I use limewire
[03:31] <Frodo> but I use Warty too
[03:31] <Quarupt> So do i
[03:31] <Quarupt> is there a deb?
[03:32] <Quarupt> ?
[03:33] <shingouz> Quarupt: apt-cache search limewire i guess
[03:33] <Quarupt> lol
[03:33] <Quarupt> no i allready tried that
[03:33] <Quarupt> I dont think there is a package yet
[03:33] <Quarupt> I want a damn p2p
[03:34] <Quarupt> i cant configure gifted to work
[03:34] <Quarupt> im too much of a newb
[03:34] <Quarupt> i wanna p2p
[03:35] <andrewski> is there a package for wmctrl?
[03:36] <Pluk> www.limewire.com has an rpm package
[03:36] <PacoBCN> I installed it from aliening the rmp
[03:37] <andrewski> PacoBCN: are you talking about limewire or wmctrl?
[03:38] <chooroot> I've been a linux user for a little while. I'm new to ubuntu, pretty impressive!
[03:39] <bbbman> hey guys, on the ubuntu install, if you choose the option to "format entire hard drive"
[03:39] <bbbman> does it automatcily set up a swap partition for you
[03:39] <chooroot> yes
[03:39] <cr4z3d> i have a question.. i have a laptop and a netgear wg511 (prism54) card.. what version of fedora would best support this
[03:39] <Pluk> ubuntu warty i think
[03:39] <Pluk> :P
[03:40] <bbbman> chooroot, yes to me?
[03:40] <chooroot> bbbman: Yes, sorry.
[03:40] <Pluk> FC3 prolly.. but why ask fedora questions here? not that your not allowed to ofcourse
[03:40] <bbbman> chooroot, thanks. is there a way that i can get into my root account
[03:41] <blah09> hey anyone use fluxbox?
[03:42] <blah09> for some strange reason i lose esound when i boot into fluxbox...
[03:42] <wm_eddie> >< I don't like hoary.
[03:43] <mike_douglas> does running a sdl app (ie. zsnes) over ssh (to a computer in the LAN) severely affect it's performance?
[03:43] <wm_eddie> Windows are constantly opening in the background instead of on top...
[03:43] <wm_eddie> mike_douglas: Even if you have gigabit ethernet, there should be some noticable difference.
[03:44] <wm_eddie> but you should try it.  It works.
[03:44] <mike_douglas> wm_eddie: thats one of the famous screen-grabbing bugs of the unstable GNOME releases. I think it's a showstopper so it will be fixed by Hoary Final.
[03:44] <chooroot> blah09: I may be wrong but I think esound is started by gnome. Its a daemon.
[03:45] <wm_eddie> and Mono still isn't working right.
[03:45] <wm_eddie> and I don't know why
[03:45] <blah09> oh
[03:45] <blah09> chooroot, any idea how to start it manually?
[03:45] <Devinci> lolo just installed ubuntu! :)
[03:45] <wm_eddie> Something must be configured wrong somewhere.
[03:45] <lavigj> is there anyone in here who happens to use transcode? i am having a lot of trouble with the output module
[03:45] <bbbman> How can I su into my root account?
[03:46] <lavigj> er, audio output
[03:46] <Devinci> esound start?
[03:46] <wm_eddie> bbbman: sudo
[03:46] <Devinci> su root
[03:46] <chooroot> blah09: never tried.
[03:46] <Quarupt> Ubuntu is the only distro i have ever installed that wehn you put a usb disk in it automounts it and puts an icon on the desktop
[03:46] <Quarupt> i love it
[03:46] <lavigj> Devinci: no, I wish it was that easy. it is the mp2 audio output
[03:46] <yohannes> is there anyway i can peer into an iso image?
[03:46] <_jon_> blah09: type esd & into the command line
[03:46] <yohannes> do i need any tool to do that?
[03:46] <Xirdneh> Can anyone tell me if i want to install WINE can I do it with apt-get install, or do I need to download it?
[03:46] <Devinci> heh sorry was trying to join in ;)
[03:46] <wm_eddie> Xirdneh: apt-get works.
[03:46] <yohannes> xirdneh --> apt-get will work
[03:47] <bbbman> right so if i want to run cfdisk, what command should i use
[03:47] <Xirdneh> thnx, but whats the name wine20050211?
[03:47] <Amaranth> mike_douglas, wm_eddie: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166722
[03:47] <lavigj> this sucks. I go through all that crap to just get the freakin' thing installed, and now it won't even work because someone didn't compile it thew ay it needed to be
[03:47] <_jon_> Xirdneh: apt-get install wine
[03:47] <Devinci> Just installed ubuntu o my laptop with stuff I couldnt get GEntoo to install in a full week workin on it!
[03:47] <Quarupt> apt-get install wine ???
[03:47] <Xirdneh> ok, thnx to all :D
[03:47] <blah09> ok daemon is running but still no sound =(
[03:47] <chooroot> bbbman: sudo cfdisk
[03:47] <andrewski> "checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no".  do i need to install libglib2.0-dev?
[03:47] <_jon_> blah09: are you in the audio group?
[03:48] <blah09> i have sound in gnome...
[03:48] <blah09> yeah i am
[03:48] <_jon_> blah09: try "esd -d /dev/dsp &"
[03:48] <bbbman> isnt that a bit insucue chooroot?
[03:48] <Quarupt> last time i used Ubunti i had to type sudo to do root stuff, but now on this install i can do su just fine?
[03:48] <steintr> Hi all... Since this is my first Ubuntu support-type question, I don't know if this is a better mail or IRC-type question, but is anyone around who knows the innards of how the Ubuntu kernel packages are built?
[03:48] <andrewski> lavigj: what's the problem?
[03:48] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: did you do sudo ... passwd?
[03:49] <lavigj> andrewski: one moment
[03:49] <Quarupt> no
[03:49] <_jon_> blah09: that is after you kill the first esd process
[03:49] <chooroot> bbbman: need to be superuser to use cfdisk.
[03:49] <Quarupt> But im not complaining i think all that sudo stuff was a haasle anyways
[03:49] <blah09> ALSA lib pcm.c:2068:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp
[03:49] <bbbman> chooroot, isnt that insucure for me to just be able to use sudo for everything without a root password
[03:50] <blah09> alsa doesnt initialise or something?
[03:50] <Devinci> nah since you are a superuser
[03:50] <lavigj> andrewski: two things, "warning: audio export module error: init failed" and "critical: failed to init encoder"
[03:50] <andrewski> lavigj: in which app?
[03:50] <lavigj> andrewski: transcode
[03:50] <lavigj> andrewski: sorry, thought you had seen it back there.
[03:50] <andrewski> lavigj: hmm... never used it before, sorry.
[03:50] <_jon_> blah09: lsmod | grep snd
[03:50] <bbbman> so if someone cracks into my ftp server under user "ftp", all he has to do is use "sudo" to get root access?
[03:50] <sic|> hehe...not giving up on transcode eh lavigj?
[03:50] <chooroot> bbbman: controversial. Some say not.
[03:51] <Devinci> bbman, if you would be root, you cpuld f@ck things up a lot more...
[03:51] <Quarupt> lol bbbman ya need the root password to use sudo
[03:51] <lavigj> sic|: I finally got the freakin' thing installed... after this much work, it would be nice to get it going
[03:51] <blah09> _jon_, what am i looking for?
[03:51] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: no
[03:51] <Quarupt> yes
[03:51] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: You need the user password for sudo
[03:51] <blah09> oh btw sound worked just a second ago in firefox
[03:51] <_jon_> does it work in say, xmms?
[03:51] <wm_eddie> so if I'm user eddie, I do sudo, then enter eddie's password.
[03:51] <sic|> lavigj: I hear ya man...I went through the same thing with the cisco vpn client
[03:51] <Quarupt> you need the root password to use sudo for root stuff
[03:52] <veristead> ok... so who can help me with hotplug in here
[03:52] <lavigj> sic|: I would just compile it myself, but the number of things you can enable is huge, and unfortunately, no "enable all" option
[03:52] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: I'm 100% sure you don't.
[03:52] <steintr> Quarupt: That would defeat the whole purpose of sudo (avoiding having to give out the root passwd)
[03:52] <sic|> lavigj: oh suck
[03:52] <blah09> let me try
[03:52] <bbbman> yea well i didnt give a root password
[03:53] <wm_eddie> bbbman: You don't need to
[03:53] <wm_eddie> via the magic of sudo
[03:53] <Devinci> you could get the root passwd anyway.. sudo passwd root
[03:53] <Quarupt> Well i dont care for some reason, the cd they sent in the mail, when i installed it, it didnt have the sudo security feature?
[03:53] <lavigj> sic|: this is the first major problem I have had with apt... and it is fustrating. unfortuantely, transcode will only compile those modules which are explicitly enabled.
[03:53] <blah09> _jon_, it works when i set it to ALSa
[03:53] <blah09> should i just change everything to use alsa?
[03:53] <wm_eddie> Devinci: There's no easy way to get a password.
[03:53] <sic|> bbbman: type: sudo su    then type: your user password  voila...you are root...then you can just change your user password while as root and your done
[03:53] <blah09> or was there a point in using esound
[03:53] <bbbman> that sucks :( it seems quite inscure
[03:54] <_jon_> blah09: use alsa
[03:54] <gpled> is the newest version of mozilla for ubuntu 1.7.3?
[03:54] <wm_eddie> Devinci: but doing sudo passwd to change it is easy.
[03:54] <blah09> ok
[03:54] <bbbman> is there a way i can change things
[03:54] <Devinci> well if you are root it is
[03:54] <blah09> =)
[03:54] <_jon_> heh
[03:54] <blah09> so why did the devs go with esound?
[03:54] <sic|> bbbman: you man...I just told you how to change things
[03:54] <sic|>  *yo
[03:54] <Devinci> i am root! (err. not on irc..)
[03:54] <wm_eddie> Devinci: I thought all passwords were encrypted with MD5 or something or other.
[03:54] <steintr> sic|: The entire point of a proper sudo config is that it restricts what commands you can run, and who can run them.
[03:54] <Frodo> Hi can anyone tell me how to turn off hotplugging in Warty for a wireless card?
[03:54] <bbbman> oh thank you sic|
[03:55] <Devinci> wm_eddie, just ask john
[03:55] <chooroot> blah09: Gnome chose esound
[03:55] <blah09> ahh
[03:55] <Quarupt> is there any packages p2p's for Ubuntu besides giftd?
[03:55] <sic|> steintr: if you are the admin of your box you have total control...so if the man wants root, let him have root
[03:55] <Devinci> heh
[03:55] <Quarupt> packaged
[03:55] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: emule?
[03:55] <chooroot> blah09: Its the sound server for gnome, like arts for KDE.
[03:55] <blah09> there are some libs that i need to change to make other apps like say gaim use alsa instead of esound right?
[03:55] <Quarupt> ya mean amule
[03:55] <steintr> sic|: Of course.  Just don't worry that it's insecure. :)  (That's the way I have mine setup for just that reason)
[03:55] <Frodo> Quarupt, use limewire, but download it from the site
[03:55] <sic|> steintr: I even went so far as to edit the sudo config so i wouldn't have to type a password
[03:56] <wm_eddie> I use Java programs for all my p2p needs.
[03:56] <wm_eddie> (Azureus, Limewire)
[03:56] <lavigj> j /#transcode
[03:56] <steintr> sic|: That strikes me as overly foolish, but I guess it depends on how they hacked your box.
[03:56] <sic|> steintr: right on man...very true...no need to worry about it being unsecure
[03:57] <regeya> speaking of alsa...any sb live 5.1 users manage to get gmix to adjust bass and treble?
[03:57] <Frodo> Quarupt you understand me?
[03:57] <steintr> sic|: An exploit in a server could let them execute a command as a user, but if they don't need a password, they can expand the exploit to root (w/o needing to crack /etc/shadow)
[03:57] <bbbman> well i was just wondering if i someone cracked into an account "ftp" it wouldnt be hard for him to do root commands? with just a sudo?
[03:58] <steintr> bbbman: The ftp account should never be in /etc/sudoers
[03:58] <bbbman> oooh i see
[03:58] <Devinci> man sudo
[03:58] <wm_eddie> There's ways to lock down sudo really hard.
[03:58] <lavigj> sic|: this is making me wish I hadn't moved over from gentoo
[03:58] <Frodo> ok Im history here...nice to meet all of you  hasta la vista babies
[03:59] <chooroot> bbbman: man sudo
[03:59] <Frodo> sudo judo
[03:59] <wm_eddie> lavigj: You do loose a couple of things in Ubuntu that you had in gentoo, but gentoo just isn't worth it.
[03:59] <sic|> steintr: I understand the security issue..but if they can hack your user account...surely they can type sudo su and use the same user password...truth is no one is truly safe
[03:59] <Devinci> just moved from gentoo (well on my laptop) and I am very pleased!
[03:59] <wm_eddie> Frodo: "I know kung-foo"
[03:59] <Frodo> lol Eddie
[04:00] <lavigj> wm_eddie: I am just frustrated with trying to get transcode to work. this would have been much easier on gentoo.... I wonder if there is a way to do portage on ubuntu...
[04:00] <sic|> hahaha...portage on ubuntu
[04:00] <steintr> sic|: It depends if they know (or have cracked) your password, or are just exploiting, say, a hole in your mailer.  You can get access to a box without ever knowing the actual password (ok, make that "one" and not me)
[04:00] <wm_eddie> sic|: If they have a user password, it's trivial to get the root password anyway.  And you can always restrict what you can do yourself in the sudoers file.
[04:00] <Frodo> transcode is easy on Ubuntu isnt it?
[04:00] <lavigj> Frodo: not so much
[04:01] <wm_eddie> lavigj: yeah, main problems with Ubuntu have been media player/ripper related for me at least (and my roommate)
[04:01] <regeya> heh...portage on ubuntu...actually, that'd be a neat idea, in a way...make it into a sort of 'fink-for-ubuntu' type system, a small list of updated packages, make sure it doesn't interfere with ubuntu releases in the least
[04:01] <bbbman> so its safe to assume that if i want to run an ftp server, take away his sudo privillages, and theres nothing he can do with sudo, thus elimanting the security risk
[04:01] <wm_eddie> lavigj: let me get a link that might help
[04:01] <wm_eddie> lavigj: You are using warty right?
[04:02] <lavigj> wm_eddie: yeah. I had to pull in a bit of hoary (almost all of the deps) to get transcode even installed
[04:02] <steintr> bbbman: The default install for sudo should be nobody in sudoers, so you'd have to affirmatively add ftp to the file.  But yes, that's the idea.
[04:02] <bbbman> i see.
[04:02] <chooroot> bbbman: you dont have to.
[04:02] <Devinci> portage is neat, but man it takes so long to complile on my poor man's laptop
[04:03] <Frodo> you have to get transcode from "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main" I think
[04:03] <Frodo> I may be wrong though
[04:03] <bbbman> hey, whats this entery in fdisk -l
[04:03] <bbbman> /dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:03] <sic|> steintr, wm_eddie, I understand what you are saying, my point is not everyone is really worried about it, some people like being root for some things...to each his own
[04:03] <wm_eddie> damn I can't find the link anymore...
[04:03] <lavigj> rodo, it is installed. now it is a problem with the way transcode was compiled
[04:04] <Devinci> windows aaaaaaah
[04:04] <wm_eddie> But someone backported a lot of things to warty...
[04:04] <steintr> I've been trying to build an exact duplicate of kernel-image-2.6.10-3-686-smp from source, but no joy.  Is there some secret Ubuntu trick? :)
[04:04] <bbbman> i dont have any partitons other than linux and swap
[04:04] <bbbman> why is it being listed in fdisk -l
[04:04] <bbbman> it dosent show up under cfdisk
[04:04] <lavigj> wm_eddie: s'ok.... it is the way transcode was compiled anyway. I guess I will have to work through all the enable flags and such
[04:04] <wm_eddie> steintr: get the deb-src and use it's .config file?
[04:04] <silversurfer> would i use the smp kernel for a p4 with hyperthreading?
[04:04] <wm_eddie> yes
[04:04] <wm_eddie> I would assume
[04:05] <_jon_> silversurfer: i wouldn't
[04:05] <mike_douglas> zsnes over ssh (once that I setup compression) works great. Now I can drop Gentoo and move my last machine to Ubuntu :D
[04:05] <steintr> sic|: For the record, I have steintr: ALL=(ALL) ALL in my sudoers file as well; my only quibble is over the need for a password.
[04:05] <silversurfer> how come _jon_?
[04:05] <bbbman> anyone have an idea as to the cause of that?
[04:05] <Devinci> mike: Buy a xbox and install gentoox on it instead ;)
[04:05] <wm_eddie> steintr: You can add nopassword to certain commands.
[04:05] <bbbman> /dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:05] <Quarupt> ping -f 127.0.0.1
[04:05] <bbbman> when i dont have any other partitions besides / and swap in cfdisk
[04:06] <Quarupt> oops this isnt mah shell
[04:06] <wm_eddie> steintr: I'm not sure but you might be able to do it for all too.
[04:06] <steintr> wm_eddie: Unfortunately, that's not working for me.  The prebuilt kernel boots (sort of) for me, but rebuilt versions from either linux-source-2.6.10 or pristine sources hang on me.
[04:06] <mike_douglas> Devinci: heh, give my money to them ;)
[04:06] <_jon_> silversurfer: hyperthreading isn't the same as an smp system, hyperthreading acts like 1.5 processors, but the system will assign proccesses as if there are 2+ full processors, causing a bottleneck on the "hyperthread"
[04:06] <Devinci> lol
[04:07] <regeya> transcode can be frustrating to be sure
[04:07] <wm_eddie> _jon_: Isn't that the point though?
[04:07] <regeya> one of those issues that almost makes me run back to gentoo
[04:07] <_jon_> wm_eddie: not to have a bottleneck
[04:07] <wm_eddie> _jon_: Doesn't WindowsXP just treat it as SMP?
[04:07] <noppe> yah compiling everything is fun times..
[04:07] <bbbman> anyone can help me?
[04:07] <sic|> steintr: heheh...I have mine set up the same way...guess your really don't need a password...my first instinct was to set it..because at the time and even now to some degree, I didn't realize the extent of sudo
[04:07] <_jon_> wm_eddie: i don't know what windows does ever
[04:07] <Devinci> regeya: run back to gentoo -- expect a few days of compilation ;)
[04:07] <lavigj> #@%@!%^ I cannot win!!
[04:08] <noppe> hah
[04:08] <silversurfer> _jon_ thank you for the info, i'll grab the other kernel and try it out... this ubuntu sure beats having to recompile everything like i am used in in gentoo
[04:08] <Quarupt> anyone know how to get a serverlist for xmule?
[04:08] <steintr> sic|: I find that needing the password is a good double-check before doing something stupid, anyway. :)
[04:08] <Devinci> steintr: true
[04:08] <_jon_> silversurfer: if you have time, try both and benchmark it, i'd be interested to know the results
[04:08] <wm_eddie> _jon_: I'm pretty sure it just treats it as two processors, (Which I'm pretty sure is the point)
[04:08] <steintr> (The caching property doesn't help with that, though)
[04:08] <sic|> steintr: hahaha...true true
[04:08] <_jon_> i'll look into it
[04:08] <wm_eddie> _jon_: I think it's more of a run two things at once smoothly rather than performance thing.
[04:08] <silversurfer> how would i benchmark it? is there an app for that?
[04:09] <Ed_Gein> When updating to hoary do I comment out the warty refs in sources.list?
[04:09] <_jon_> silversurfer: just use the time command and see how long tasks take with each kernel
[04:09] <andrewski> Ed_Gein: i just replaced all warty with hoary.
[04:09] <Devinci> Laptop users: What temp trigger did you set for acpi?
[04:09] <Ed_Gein> andrewski :thanks
[04:09] <zenrox> silversurfer,  or run a set@home client to see how long it take to process 1 unet
[04:10] <Quarupt> ANYONE, serverlist xmule?
[04:10] <wm_eddie> _jon_: using & as well might be a good idea too.
[04:10] <silversurfer> _jon_ : thanks, i'll test it out and report back hehe
[04:10] <Devinci> my hand is gettin hot > 50
[04:11] <regeya> Devinci: that depends on your install method and your choices of software, but yeah.
[04:11] <bbbman> anyone care to help me with this problem i have?
[04:11] <Devinci> regeya it ws at 60 default, moved it down to 50 -- hear the fan more, but cooler...
[04:11] <silversurfer> anyone play Neverwinter nights?  I have an odd slowdown with mine that I can't figure out... the longer I play the more lag I get till it's unplayable
[04:12] <steintr> bbbman: Different than the sudo one we've been talking about?
[04:12] <_jon_> wm_eddie, silversurfer: haven't seen anything yet from debian/ubuntu but here's a link from suse: http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2002/05/fhassel_p4.html
[04:12] <andrewski> steintr: xchat is 'uglier'?  how?
[04:12] <bbbman> yes steintr
[04:12] <Ed_Gein> what about the multiverse repositories? Should I remove them or change those to hoary as well?
[04:13] <bbbman> when i use cfdisk, it shows me that i have two partitions. Linux swap and Linux ext3
[04:13] <steintr> andrewski: Don't know.  It just looks different (perhaps a different default theme than on my old install)
[04:13] <zenrox> Ed_Gein, chage
[04:13] <andrewski> Ed_Gein: i changed them too.
[04:13] <bbbman> but when i run fdisk -l, this entery shows up.
[04:13] <steintr> andrewski: Personal taste :)
[04:13] <saphari_> is java installed with ubuntu?
[04:13] <Ed_Gein> thanks
[04:13] <bbbman> /dev/hda2           64539       65531      500472    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:13] <steintr> bbbman: I'm new to Ubuntu, but if it's a general linux problem, I'll take a shot.
[04:13] <zenrox> big upgrade to hoary tonight
[04:13] <andrewski> steintr: yeah, i was gonna say it's probably your theme, because i don't know how the program itself could be uglier... ;)
[04:13] <bbbman> i belive its a general linux problem
[04:13] <steintr> bbman: I'm reading back.  Wait one.
[04:14] <_jon_> OTOH: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17112
[04:14] <bbbman> saphari: you might want to look at this page : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[04:14] <steintr> bbbman: What does cfdisk show?
[04:14] <saphari_> n/m
[04:14] <themachine> my live cd wont boot on an old computer. how could I make the floppy boot to cd?
[04:14] <bbbman> it shows only the two partitons, linux ext3 and linux swap
[04:14] <zenrox> saphari_, also look at www.ubuntuguide.org for jave install
[04:14] <steintr> bbbman: What part numbers?
[04:15] <lavigj> awesome. now I can't even compile transcode.
[04:15] <saphari_> ty
[04:15] <bbbman> part numbers?
[04:15] <bbbman> you mean 82 and 83?
[04:15] <andrewski> where do i put any debs i download so that synaptic will pick them up?
[04:15] <lavigj> so much for thinking I might have found a decent way to convert avi to DVD compliant mpegs
[04:15] <steintr> bbbman: Sorry, partition identifiers (like /dev/hda2)
[04:16] <bbbman> ext is hda1,
[04:16] <bbbman> swap is hda5
[04:16] <Ed_Gein> any idea how long the update takes?
[04:17] <themachine> I know knoppix has a boot floppy app for making the pc boot from cd, but its specifically for knoppix
[04:17] <chooroot> bbbman: /dev/hda2 holds the logical partition.
[04:17] <steintr> bbbman: Since hda5 is a logical partition number only, my guess is that cfdisk isn't showing logicals (contained in the /dev/hda2 extended)
[04:17] <_jon_> lavigj: good luck finding one
[04:17] <steintr> Doh: chooroot beat me to it. :)
[04:17] <Quarupt> I finally got my UBUNTU CD's in the mail today
[04:17] <Quarupt> all 450 of them
[04:17] <chooroot> lol
[04:17] <zenrox> lol
[04:17] <lavigj> _jon_: I am probably not.
[04:17] <Quarupt> Now i can set up my open source movment stand at my UNIV
[04:18] <Quarupt> Movement*
[04:18] <bbbman> chooroot, steintr, my swap is a logical partition.
[04:18] <_jon_> lavigj: currently i'm just trying to find a way to convert a VIDEO_TS folder to a dvd image
[04:18] <chooroot> bbbman: /dev/hda5 is.
[04:18] <themachine> any idea on a boot floppy?
[04:18] <bbbman> so hda2 actually holds hda5?
[04:18] <lavigj> _jon_: well, you are a helluva lot farther than I am. I can't even get an avi to an acceptable mpeg stream
[04:19] <steintr> bbbman: Yes.  On a DOS partition table, only 1-4 are primary partitions.  Anything about 4 must be contained within a primary, designated as an "extended" partition.
[04:19] <_jon_> lavigj: mencoder might be able to help you out
[04:19] <chooroot> bbbman: /dev/hda2 counts as one of your primary partitions. Yea kinda
[04:19] <lavigj> _jon_: I was using mencoder however I kept getting artifacts relating to the qscale. I haven't figured out how to get past that yet
[04:20] <bbbman> well why does it list as win95 extended? I am only supposed to have 2 partitons on this hard disk. Is this just a fluke, or am I actually loosing out on avabial space
[04:20] <steintr> bbbman: You don't need it that way, but it shouldn't cost you any space (maybe a few K for the entry, that's all)
[04:20] <themachine> trying to get help on irc is like... trying to talk to chris's mom
[04:21] <_jon_> lavigj: i forget where they are, but i remember coming across a script that used ffmpeg, transcode, mendoer, and such to convert video
[04:21] <lavigj> _jon_: and if i could get transcode to work, I would be all set
[04:21] <wm_eddie> themachine: is chris's mom easy?
[04:21] <andrewski> themachine: asking vague questions is like... not knowing what you're talking about and expecting others to tell you. :)
[04:21] <wm_eddie> lol
[04:21] <themachine> no chris's mom is bigger than microsoft
[04:21] <_jon_> lavigj: let me know if you an figure it out
[04:21] <andrewski> themachine: did you google for 'ubuntu "boot floppy"'
[04:22] <wm_eddie> Wow, I plug in my ipod, and a window pops up, Sick!
[04:22] <themachine> yes it comes up with making grub boot floppy
[04:22] <themachine> on linux
[04:22] <wm_eddie> Sick like glowing, cancer-killing HIV!
[04:22] <andrewski> themachine: well, what do you want?
[04:23] <themachine> but Im trying to get a computer thats ignoring the cd drive to boot from it
[04:23] <chooroot> bbbman: You can only have 4 primary partitions. Useing logical partitions inside extended partitions you can have many more.
[04:23] <lupus_am> hi. have anybody tried kernels from 'universe'? Warty kernel not properly worked with my USB external drive
[04:23] <andrewski> themachine: ah, that's a different story.  look for smart boot manager.
[04:24] <bbbman> ok thanks for the help steintr, and chooroot.  I was worried there for a moment
[04:24] <andrewski> themachine: in which case, a better question to have asked initially would have been: "hey, i'm trying to boot to a cd on a computer that won't.  can i do that?"
[04:25] <themachine> ah
[04:25] <thully> what's the best digital music player to use w/Linux? anyone have any suggestions?
[04:25] <themachine> thanks a great deal
[04:25] <lupus_am> i have tried to install kernel-image-2.6.9-9, but can't install its headers (missing appropriate kernel-kbuild).
[04:25] <wm_eddie> lupus_am: For me at least, my front USBs don't like my iPod, but my rear ones work perfectly.
[04:25] <bbbman> is enableing universe in synaptic a good idea or bad
[04:25] <andrewski> themachine: no problem.  good luck!  i could never get that program to work.
[04:25] <andrewski> thully: mpd
[04:25] <andrewski> thully: musicpd.org
[04:25] <wm_eddie> bbbman: Good
[04:25] <themachine> heres an awesome link in return for the advice http://users.telenet.be/educypedia/
[04:25] <wm_eddie> bbbman: Unless you are a company that really requires support.
[04:25] <thully> no - portable music player
[04:26] <bbbman> thanks
[04:26] <andrewski> thully: ah.
[04:26] <bbbman> does it make it any more vurlnibale to attack
[04:26] <wm_eddie> thully: um. lets see.
[04:26] <SiRrUs> wow talk about updates tonight
[04:27] <Devinci> bbbman internal attacks
[04:27] <wm_eddie> thully: There's a couple that are open.
[04:27] <nic0> the file /etc/ppp/peers/verizon does not exist, it says when I do 'pon verizon' after doing 'sudo pppoeconf' does anyone know why
[04:27] <andrewski> SiRrUs: no kidding. :)
[04:27] <Quest-Master> How do you guys know when updates happen? :o
[04:27] <andrewski> 52 for me!
[04:27] <thully> wm_eddie: you have an iPod - what trouble did you have to go through to get that working on Ubuntu?
[04:27] <noppe> hrmm did Hoary just upgrade to X 6.8.2?
[04:27] <SiRrUs> yep
[04:27] <andrewski> noppe: it seems that way...
[04:27] <noppe> excellent
[04:28] <SiRrUs> brb
[04:28] <bbbman> what does the universal add
[04:28] <andrewski> noppe: what's new about .2?
[04:28] <Quest-Master> Last time I upgraded to Hoary, GDM wouldn't start.. should I have installed xserver-xorg?
[04:28] <wm_eddie> thully: I plug it in, and it mounts.  and I use GTKpod to upload songs to it.  so in theory it works great... except that 70% of my library (every CD I own) is in Ogg format.
[04:28] <andrewski> bbbman: many many apps that are not available on the CD.
[04:28] <noppe> andrewski: I forgot but quite a bit of stuff..
[04:28] <noppe> :)
[04:28] <lupus_am> wm_eddie, with standard warty kernel (2.6.8) i can mount my USB drive, can read files from it, but when i write something, there are errors appears in syslog and drive disconeccts
[04:28] <andrewski> bbbman: but they're unsupported as far as official ubuntu goes.
[04:28] <Quarupt> im gunna update to a 64bit kernel, anyone know if i do that will i only be able to use ^$bit apps?
[04:28] <bbbman> oh i see
[04:28] <Quarupt> 64Bit*
[04:29] <lupus_am> but kernel 2.6.9 from universe works fine!
[04:29] <lupus_am> (x86_64)
[04:29] <Devinci> bbbman: unless you install services that sits on an open port, you wont be vulnerable to outside attacks
[04:29] <lavigj> does anyone here use mencoder?
[04:29] <lavigj> i am wondering why I don't see the option to encode to an mpeg with it
[04:29] <Devinci> bbbman: unless you download a trojan...
[04:30] <lavigj> because I know it is available, even if it is not on my machine
[04:30] <Quarupt> why doesnt root@UBunBOX:/home/sean # apt-cache search kernel image |grep 64
[04:30] <Quarupt> return any results?
[04:30] <wm_eddie> kernel-image
[04:31] <silversurfer> is there a way to get the console to be a colorful as my gentoo install?
[04:31] <thully> Has anyone used crossover with itunes?  I'd like to be able to use a music store to get stuff onto my device (in addition to ripping my CDs)
[04:31] <bbbman> these universal sites, they allow me to apt-get files?
[04:31] <andrewski> bbbman: yup.
[04:31] <bbbman> that i woudln't normally be able to? ok thanks
[04:31] <wm_eddie> bbbman: A lot of them
[04:31] <andrewski> silversurfer: yes, i wish apt(*) and company employed colour too....
[04:31] <lavigj> sorry, I was thinking of ffmpeg.
[04:31] <wm_eddie> man, I can't remember the name of a really cool PMP that has awesome Linux support!
[04:31] <Deviant> for wireless network in can I use Wpa mode? or does it have to be wep?
[04:32] <silversurfer> andrewski: i feel weird without the color
[04:32] <bbbman> but im secure unless i apt-get a trojan or other port listening program from universal?  if i run the services included with the rest on an open port, I should be relativly secure right?
[04:32] <andrewski> silversurfer: yes, and it's harder to read...
[04:32] <Quarupt> Theres no ubuntu 64 bit kernels?
[04:32] <Quarupt> !?
[04:32] <wm_eddie> there should be
[04:32] <Quarupt> i cant find any?
[04:32] <jdub> Quarupt: have you installed the amd64 version?
[04:33] <Quarupt> no
[04:33] <andrewski> silversurfer: we should file enhancement requests for apt-get...
[04:34] <Quarupt> no
[04:34] <silversurfer> andrewski: i've been using ubuntu for 2 days, gentoo for a little over a year... not sure where i'd start with a file enhancement request
[04:34] <andrewski> silversurfer: me either. :)
[04:34] <Quarupt> I thought i could just update my kernel like i did in debian
[04:34] <Ed_Gein> has anyone tried to install graveman after upgrading to hoary
[04:35] <silversurfer> andrewski: is there a way to edit the color scheme manually?
[04:35] <andrewski> silversurfer: oh, i don't think so; i think the program in question has to have colour codes for each instance...
[04:35] <wm_eddie> thully: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/weblog.php/Cool_Gear?flav=php
[04:35] <wm_eddie> thully: That one is awesome.
[04:35] <Quarupt> jdub, i can just use the 32bit version if the 64bit one wont allow me to run 32 bit apps
[04:35] <wm_eddie> thully: Scroll down for some pictures.
[04:36] <silversurfer> andrewski: wonder if there is a way to copy it from gentoo
[04:36] <bbbman> hey one more question *hopefully*: I have an AMD Athlon 900 mhz proccessor. Should I download a Proccessor specific kernel?
[04:36] <wm_eddie> bbbman: no
[04:36] <bbbman> as in sudo apt-get install linux-686
[04:36] <jdub> Quarupt: if you're running the amd64 version, you have a 64 bit kernel. if you're running the i386 version, you have a 32 bit kernel.
[04:36] <wm_eddie> AMD's are much better at running i386 fast than Intels.
[04:37] <wm_eddie> so no real difference.
[04:37] <bbbman> wm_eddie, so i shouldnt do sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[04:38] <bbbman> ok thanks if you say so. I was just curious because it said it in the Tweake your Ubuntu installation guide
[04:38] <wm_eddie> nah, it'll be easier to just use the stock kernel.
[04:38] <bbbman> k
[04:39] <Quarupt> Jdub, i just said that im running the 386 version, but in debain i was able to just update my kernel, not reinstall
[04:39] <Quarupt> jdub, Is there a way to upgrade, and if i do can i still run 386 apps?
[04:40] <jdub> you want to run an amd64 kernel and i386 userland?
[04:40] <andrewski> silversurfer: i couldn't find anything useful on google.  i'm going to #debian.
[04:43] <lupus_am> have anybody problems with alsa\gstreamer? when i setting up gstreamer via alsa, all sound programs crash
[04:46] <bbbman> is there a way to apt-get the latest java sdk?
[04:47] <wm_eddie> bbbman: yes
[04:47] <Brunellus> Hi.  I've installed Mplayer from source according to the steps on the Howto: Ubuntu Multimedia article
[04:47] <wm_eddie> hold on
[04:47] <Brunellus> (which is Here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=dvd+playback
[04:47] <bbbman> would it be better to apt-get the java sdk than to actually download the .bin file from the java website?
[04:47] <Brunellus> two questions:
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Hmm... 'nvidia-settings' ---> Segmentation fault.
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Bummer..
[04:47] <Brunellus> 1) how can I configure the mozilla-mplayer plugin?
[04:48] <Brunellus> synaptic is asking for "mplayer-custom" which the howto says not to install
[04:48] <wm_eddie> bbbman: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs
[04:48] <Brunellus> correction--doesnt' say that, but.
[04:48] <wm_eddie> download the debs and install it with dpkg -i
[04:48] <Brunellus> read it somewhere else on forums.
[04:48] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/#multimedia-mozillap4   perhaps?
[04:49] <bbbman> wm_eddie: Should i use the debs or the sun .bin installer?
[04:49] <wm_eddie> bbbman: I used the sun .bin installer only because I didn't know about the debs (debs are easier to upgrade/remove)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/ - has  a section or on java stuff.
[04:50] <Dr_willis> they seem to use the .bin and show you a few other steps
[04:50] <bbbman> ooh i see thanks guys
[04:50] <Brunellus> thanks Dr_willis.  second question
[04:51] <Brunellus> 2) I have also installed libdvdcss2, according to the instructions ont he same howto
[04:51] <wm_eddie> I must go now.
[04:51] <Brunellus> but it will not read the DVD which I've fed to it.
[04:52] <Dr_willis> its possible your media player needsd to be recompiled to support it.
[04:52] <Quarupt> Is there a packages P2P for Ubuntu that doesnt suck?
[04:52] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: nope, get Java and install Azureus and Limewire and stop talking about it here.
[04:52] <Dr_willis> i just use gnutella clients.  for my rare P2P stuff
[04:52] <Quarupt> packaged*
[04:53] <Quarupt> wm_eddie, why?
[04:53] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: Nobody wants to talk about p2p.
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Limewire is nice. wife can even figure it out. :p
[04:53] <Quarupt> no apt for java either
[04:53] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs
[04:54] <SiRrUs> Quarupt or visit www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:54] <JDahl> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:54] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[04:54] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[04:55] <bbbman> Dr_willis, do you think the same method would apply more or less to the development enviroment as well
[04:55] <Dr_willis> bbbman,  most likely
[04:57] <Deviant> does wireless toosl work in ubuntu?
[04:57] <hypa7ia> Deviant: iwtools?
[04:57] <Brunellus> h'm.
[04:57] <Deviant> is that the name of it
[04:57] <hypa7ia> i believe that's the name... anyway, that's what i use :-)
[04:58] <Karlac> does ubuntu install wall on laptops? because i downloaded ubuntu a month ago and it gave me nothing but errors
[04:58] <Karlac> well*
[04:58] <Deviant> I guess i have it already since ive been pissing around with it for the last hour.
[04:58] <Deviant> so close to getting wireless goin
[04:58] <Deviant> im stuck
[04:58] <Chipzz> Karlac: works like a charm on my dell inspiron 8600 ;)
[04:59] <Quarupt> Okay i added the blackdown source like i said and refreshed synaptic, but what package do i get for java?
[04:59] <Deviant> yah im using ubuntu on my inspiron 9100. works great.
[04:59] <Deviant> even reconized it as a laptop
[04:59] <Karlac> mines a pavilion zv5000
[05:01] <error_29> ubuntu out of the box was fine on my Presario 900.  And on a friend's older compaq.  Took us a while to mess things up. ;-
[05:01] <poningru> mine is a presario 2140
[05:01] <Quarupt> wm_eddie, i added the source, now what packages do i need for java, i did a seach and theres like 20 packages with the word java in them
[05:02] <error_29> karlac, errors during install, or after?  I ask because I couldn't install other debian based cd distros on this laptop
[05:02] <Brunellus> ok stupid question
[05:02] <Deviant> can I just configure my wireless with the iwconfig or do I also need to edit a script?
[05:02] <error_29> some problem with the cd-rom
[05:02] <Brunellus> how do I rm a symbolic link?
[05:02] <Karlac> it was right during bootup from the cd
[05:02] <Karlac> i don't remember exactly the error but that's when it occured
[05:03] <wm_eddie> Quarupt: jdk? jre?
[05:03] <error_29> karlac, I tried installing libranet, and it managed to partition my disk, then told me my cd-rom wasn't mounted.  Mepis also got stuck part way through install.  But ubuntu had no problems.
[05:03] <Quarupt> okay
[05:04] <hypa7ia> anyone know stuff about laptop acpi?
[05:04] <Karlac> the partitioning i had no problem i have 10gb at the end of my hd that isn't partitioned
[05:04] <Dr_willis> hmm.. got a ssh session to anotehr machine.. if i let it sit for a few min without entering any commands.. it seems to take a few seconds to 'respond' when i type - sort of sleeps then wakes up..
[05:05] <hypa7ia> as in, i have a bunch of modules loaded that don't look like they belong to my laptop... namely pcc_acpi and sony_acpi
[05:05] <Dr_willis> got a clue on whats causeing this? dosent seem to be the HD spinning up/down
[05:05] <Karlac> did i maybe download the wrong one? i downloaded teh i386 one and my processor is an athlonxp-m
[05:06] <hypa7ia> Dr_willis: could it be the hdd on the other machine?
[05:06] <hypa7ia> spinngin down hhat is?
[05:06] <error_29> there's (I think) a 32 bit and 64 bit version of ubuntu... ?
[05:06] <hypa7ia> s/hhat/that
[05:06] <Dr_willis> hypa7ia,  i dont think so - both are set to like 1 hr spindown delay.
[05:06] <hypa7ia> Karlac: thats the right one for athlon xp-m
[05:06] <Dr_willis> and i am useing both machines at the same time. (rigjht next to each other)
[05:06] <hypa7ia> Dr_willis: strange
[05:06] <Dr_willis> just noticed the shell seems to be lagging..
[05:06] <Dr_willis> let me check and make both do some task.. hmm.. updatedb auto do it
[05:07] <Dr_willis> of course MAKING it do it - is the hard part :P
[05:07] <Dr_willis> lo
[05:07] <Karlac> ok thanks Hyp i'm going to redownload it and try it again thanks
[05:08] <hypa7ia> Karlac: make sure the image is good... and the burn...
[05:08] <hypa7ia> with winmd5 or something
[05:08] <Brunellus> h'mmmm.
[05:08] <Karlac> ok
[05:08] <lacamiseta> Does anybody have any experience here with the system not recognizing new partitions after the partitioner's done its job?
[05:08] <Dr_willis> lacamiseta,  often a reboot is needed to reread the partion table
[05:08] <andrewski> lacamiseta: yup, i had to repartition.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> in some cases i remeber.
[05:08] <lacamiseta> done that.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> no clue then :(
[05:08] <andrewski> lacamiseta: i mean format and repartition. :)
[05:09] <Dr_willis> i did have a set up here.. where the BIOS dident see the HD.. but Linux and windiows did.. (still not sure how that happened) :P
[05:09] <Dr_willis> moved the hd to a diffrent master ide port. and it worked.
[05:09] <Dr_willis> it would install but grub wouldent see it right. :(
[05:09] <lacamiseta> I've repartitioned it, and have everything set up size-wise, but whenever I get into the installation CD, it won't recognize anything beyond the first partition.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> odd
[05:10] <Dr_willis> i juast let the isntaller take a whole HD. :P
[05:10] <lacamiseta> what's wierd is that it's all recognized perfectly under other distros.
[05:10] <andrewski> lacamiseta: same here.
[05:10] <SiRrUs> lots of updates today most I have seen in awhile
[05:10] <andrewski> lacamiseta: you tried different FS types?
[05:10] <andrewski> SiRrUs: didn't you say that already? ;)
[05:11] <lacamiseta> Dr_willis: unfortunately, I have a bunch of my school work on the windows partition.
[05:11] <SiRrUs> lol probably
[05:11] <SiRrUs> andrewski just checking to see if you were awake yet
[05:11] <andrewski> SiRrUs: riiight. ;P
[05:12] <SiRrUs> ;)
[05:12] <_jon_> in case people want to try out the ppc port but don't have a mac: http://www.freeminimacs.com/?r=15682504
[05:12] <lacamiseta> another thing, everything's recognized with the live CD, but not with the installation CD.
[05:12] <hypa7ia> lacamiseta: warty or hoary?
[05:13] <lacamiseta> warty
[05:13] <hypa7ia> the install cd is completely different from the livecd
[05:13] <hypa7ia> hence the different detection :-/
[05:13] <lacamiseta> aah. ok
[05:13] <hypa7ia> so are you stuck with no access to your data?
[05:13] <lacamiseta> I think that I may try hoary.
[05:14] <lacamiseta> nope, I can use Windows, I just want to load up Ubuntu onto my laptop.
[05:14] <bbbman> _jon_, does that thing really work
[05:14] <_jon_> bbbman: yes, yes it does
[05:15] <hypa7ia> lacamiseta: that's good then :-)
[05:15] <_jon_> my buddy just got his and then sold it on craigslist
[05:15] <SiRrUs> :) not for canadians tho
[05:15] <bbbman> they actually give you a mini mac for a few reffereals?
[05:15] <hypa7ia> bbbman: it's not quite a few:-/
[05:15] <hypa7ia> lol SiRrUs or for canadians :-)
[05:16] <_jon_> bbbman: it's 10 for a mac mini
[05:16] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:17] <bbbman> 10 reffereals? thats easy
[05:17] <bbbman> why not just spoof them lol
[05:17] <_jon_> go for it
[05:17] <bbbman> have you gotten yours yet
[05:17] <_jon_> just started tonight
[05:17] <bbbman> ooh
[05:19] <SiRrUs> _jon_ what did you order
[05:19] <_jon_> blockbuster, if you enter the promo code "COOPER" the first month is free
[05:19] <_jon_> i'm just going to cancel after the month
[05:20] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:20] <hypa7ia> error_29: did you have any luck with the minix?
[05:21] <bbbman> _jon_, whats that promo code for?
[05:22] <_jon_> for the blockbuster offer, if you use that code the first month is free instead
[05:22] <bbbman> for the blockbuster to ship you movies or sumthing?
[05:23] <_jon_> yea
[05:23] <_jon_> up to 3 at a time
[05:23] <bbbman> nice'
[05:23] <_jon_> and 2 free in-store rentals a month
[05:27] <bbbman> dumb question: how do i install deb files
[05:28] <_jon_> bbbman: dpkg -i pkg
[05:28] <_jon_> where pkg is the deb file
[05:30] <geppy> where does Ubuntu store MySQL databases?
[05:30] <SiRrUs> hello geppy
[05:30] <geppy> hello Sirius
[05:31] <crimsun> /var/lib/mysql/
[05:31] <geppy> crimsun:  danke
[05:31] <Dr_willis> Hmm.
[05:32] <Dr_willis> i dont suppose anyone has seen a 'tv listing' type application that can save me havign to check the yahoo tv guide site? :P
[05:32] <Dr_willis> wanting somthing thats a little easier to read/see a week at a time or so forth.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. odd.. trying to apt-get install kde. and thers 3 packages with unmet dependencies. It worked just the otehr day Perhaps its an amd64 package issue.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> kde: Depends: kde-amusements
[05:34] <Dr_willis> makes you wonder why you HAVE to have the amusements installed. :P
[05:35] <viper12> because its KDE?  -snicker.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> "some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming."
[05:35] <Dr_willis> so perhaps it will be fixed in a day or 5 :P no biggie.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> just installed to an AMD64 box. Getting it all filled up
[05:39] <viper12> awfully quiet...what, did the massive hoary package updates fix everything or what?  heh heh
[05:40] <SiRrUs> viper12 not sure didnt break anything tho
[05:40] <geppy> viper12:  Either that, or no one using Hoary is able to get on. =P
[05:40] <viper12> I was impressed....I had some issues with a new hoary array5 build yesterday and cups...........and sure enough........fixes came pouring in this morning....all better.  I'm more than a lil' impressed.
[05:41] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:41] <IRCMonkey> Afternoon all, monkey here. I have a laptop question.... How in the world do I suspend this thing with Gnome?
[05:41] <viper12> Now if they'd hurry up and get Oo 2.0 finished.
[05:41] <viper12> you shut the lid monkey..........teasing. heh heh
[05:42] <Brunellus> h'mmmm
[05:42] <Brunellus> OK.  finally gotten MPlayer to work
[05:42] <Brunellus> I've got it pointing at the right device
[05:42] <calc> IRCMonkey: you have to see if your laptop can use s1/s3 under linux first
[05:42] <Brunellus> but how strange that I can't play VCDs
[05:42] <IRCMonkey> I could do that with KDE but it would always lock up... one reason I dumped KDE
[05:42] <geppy> Brunellus:  Use GXine.
[05:43] <geppy> =P
[05:43] <calc> IRCMonkey: if that works you can enable it by editing /etc/default/acpi-support
[05:43] <calc> IRCMonkey: the lockups are probably due to buggy hardware/kernel issues
[05:43] <calc> IRCMonkey: unlikely its due to KDE
[05:43] <geppy> Why are the totem designers so anal about licensing?  totem is useless without binary codecs =(
[05:43] <Brunellus> geppy:  I'm a bit irked that I"ve spent all this time sorting this out
[05:43] <geppy> heh
[05:43] <Brunellus> and now no VCDs.  I can play almost everything else
[05:43] <andrewski> wow, hinting is quite nice in 6.8.2....
[05:43] <IRCMonkey> Calc: Text mode gived me nightmares... is there a GUI I can look at?
[05:44] <caseymorring> ok can someone help me with the GSS and the VI editor...i just started programming and was told that i needed to write in on of those but i cant find them anywhere
[05:44] <calc> IRCMonkey: c:\windows\win.exe
[05:44] <calc> :)
[05:45] <viper12> casey are you talking about c++ programming again?  why in the hell do you HAVE to use VI?
[05:45] <Brunellus> h'mm.  I'm goin to work this out.
[05:45] <caseymorring> i was just told to use that...i have no clue what im doing if you havent figured that out
[05:46] <caseymorring> 2nd day on linux 1st day programming
[05:46] <viper12> lol.  First off, if you're gonna be coding....doing it in vi is just insane.
[05:46] <calc> whole office uses vim actually
[05:46] <Brunellus> DVD/VCD playback is for another day.  otherwise this system is pretty sweet for a four-year old machine
[05:47] <calc> vim with syntax highlighting is good for dev work
[05:47] <Brunellus> Hooray for ubuntu:  it keeps older hardware viable, longer!
[05:47] <calc> Brunellus: well it does use ~ 96MB ram after login
[05:47] <viper12> you are a glutton for punishment, aren't ya casey?  lol.  First off, if you're going to learn c++, use as simple a tool as possible.  try gedit, or kate, or if you want adventure........emacs!
[05:47] <Brunellus> calc:  this is true.
[05:48] <Brunellus> I've only got 256 on this machine.  But if I'm careful, it's enough
[05:48] <viper12> Brunel.......vcd and dvd playback is easy.  libdvdcss, and use totem-xine, or gxine.
[05:48] <Brunellus> viper:  where should I get gxine?
[05:48] <Brunellus> is it in multiverse?
[05:49] <viper12> yep........but the simplest solution is to replace totem with totem-xine. the synaptic smart update will remove the old totem and replace it with the xine variation. (looks exactly the same, but actually frickin' works.)
[05:49] <calc> well if you like gui's kdevelop v3 is supposed to be nice
[05:49] <Dreamer3> how is warty +1 coming?
[05:49] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[05:49] <caseymorring> how do i use gedit in the terminal?
[05:49] <viper12> the libdvdcss file.....well just download and install it.  once that's in.....dvd playback should be good to go.
[05:49] <viper12> in a terminal?  lol.
[05:49] <Quarupt> Which is stable Warty/or the other one?
[05:50] <viper12> why do you need to be in a terminal?
[05:50] <Brunellus> viper12:  it's asking to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:50] <viper12> You can learn c++ just as easily in the gui as in a terminal.
[05:50] <Brunellus> ?
[05:50] <Quarupt> ! Firefox has gained over 12% of IE's marketshare !
[05:50] <viper12> uh..........don't uninstall totem......just install totem-xine.  it auto-replaces the old version.
[05:50] <calc> Quarupt: all depends on where you look
[05:50] <SiRrUs> Quarupt is stable
[05:50] <calc> Quarupt: iow no one knows how much it has taken
[05:50] <Brunellus> no, when I mark totem-xine in synaptic
[05:51] <viper12> you on hoary or warty brunel.
[05:51] <Quarupt> Survey's
[05:51] <Brunellus> viper12: warty
[05:51] <Dreamer3> Quarupt: says who?
[05:51] <Dreamer3> Quarupt: url?
[05:51] <viper12> probably why.  in hoary, it doesn't do that.
[05:51] <calc> Quarupt: survey's are always biased in some manner
[05:51] <Quarupt> news.google.com front page baby
[05:51] <Quarupt> OPEN SOURCE NWO
[05:51] <viper12> what about gxine?  you oughta be able to just install that one from universe.
[05:51] <Quarupt> down with software patents
[05:52] <Brunellus> gxine is looking fine.  it prompts to also install libxine, but I knew that was coming anyway
[05:52] <Quarupt> The point is that the movement is finally going somewhere
[05:52] <calc> Quarupt: one of the links on news.google.com says firefox has 5.7%
[05:52] <Brunellus> Quarupt: the movement got me.  But I'm committed, because I'm determined to make this machine work
[05:52] <Quarupt> it says it has 5.7% of the browser market in gereral
[05:53] <Brunellus> presently, it's the only computer I have, and linux is the only viable way to make it run
[05:53] <calc> Quarupt: with ie having 89.9$
[05:53] <calc> er 89.9%
[05:53] <viper12> yep brun.....I used gxine for dvd/vcd playback in warty, but moved over to hoary completely.  for 'unstable'.......it blows warty's doors off imho.
[05:53] <calc> i don't see how 5.7/89.9 equals 12%
[05:53] <Brunellus> viper12:  hoary is due out in April, right?
[05:53] <Dreamer3> Quarupt: i don't see that # anywhere, direct like?
[05:53] <SiRrUs> yep it is
[05:54] <Brunellus> OK.  I want to get comfy with warty...
[05:54] <viper12> that caseymorning is biting off wayyyy more than he can chew, imho.  And it is due April...but the builds at this point really work well.
[05:54] <Quarupt> I am setting up an "Open Source Information" Kiosk at my Univ tomorrow and gicing out copies of Ubuntu and FD3
[05:54] <Brunellus> I only installed it yesterday
[05:54] <Quarupt> FC3*
[05:54] <membreya> woah...has there been a big update to hoary? :|
[05:54] <geppy> Is the task bar ever going to get fixed in Hoary?
[05:54] <tritium> membreya, yeah
[05:54] <geppy> membreya:  Yes.
[05:54] <membreya> just did an apt-get upgrade...99mb to be downloaded
[05:54] <membreya> :|
[05:54] <membreya> lol!
[05:54] <viper12> membreya..yep.
[05:54] <Brunellus> and I'm still learning gnome, etc
[05:54] <viper12> lol
[05:54] <calc> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp <- according to this site gecko (mozilla+firefox) already has ~ 25.4%
[05:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are the files that link to the startup scripts in ubuntu?
[05:54] <Brunellus> I just switched over from suse
[05:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to remove some of them.
[05:54] <leroy> anybody get totem to work?
[05:54] <Dreamer3> calc: sites like that are biased
[05:54] <calc> i like their stats better :)
[05:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> totem works great.
[05:54] <membreya> 99.8mb to be downloaded ...with an additional 815kb of harddrive space used
[05:54] <membreya> ROFL!
[05:55] <viper12> brun......tis cool.  warty is stable......but the totem issues relating to dvd/vcd and such kinda' sucked.
[05:55] <calc> Dreamer3: all sites are biased in some way
[05:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone please just tell me the location of the direcory where links to startup scripts are located?
[05:55] <Dreamer3> calc: perhaps, but "average joe user" sites are best
[05:55] <viper12> totem-xine with hoary took care of all the wanky g-streamer issues for me.
[05:55] <bbbman> if i add path statements that i dont want, How can I take them out
[05:55] <Brunellus> I have to say I've been rather impressed with this so far
[05:55] <Dreamer3> calc: we host of bunch of tourism related sites, i bet they are pretty indicative
[05:55] <calc> a 5.7% share of the market is really low if that is accurate since ~ 3-3.5% is due to linux
[05:55] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: /etc/rc?.d/
[05:56] <Brunellus> install wasn't as pretty as suse's, but I'm loving apt/synaptic
[05:56] <bbbman> if i add path statements that i dont want, How can I take them out
[05:56] <Brunellus> I had apt4rpm running before, but this is much less of a headache
[05:56] <membreya> Brunellus: wait till splash screens are working :D
[05:56] <Chipzz> Brunellus: wait until debian installer can use gtk-fb :)
[05:56] <calc> average joe sites are going to show disproportinate amount of average joe web browsers ;)
[05:56] <viper12> Yeah, I'd agree on the 'pretty' factor, but as long as it installs and I end up in gnome.......I'm not picky.
[05:56] <Dreamer3> yeah
[05:56] <Dreamer3> pretty is overrated
[05:56] <Brunellus> the installer wasn't toobad
[05:57] <membreya> Dreamer3: pretty = getting more idjet people across..like me :D
[05:57] <Brunellus> but then, I'd already installed SuSE and played with it for a few months
[05:57] <viper12> apt/synaptics and especially the update tool in hoary are the shiz.
[05:57] <viper12> lol dreamer
[05:57] <Dr_willis> bbbman,  some fancy perl scripting.. or rebuild the whole path
[05:57] <Brunellus> most distros are way nicer than the last serious look I had at Linux a while back ago
[05:57] <Dr_willis> Brunellus,  they are advanceing fast...
[05:57] <Dreamer3> membreya: no easy = more idject people
[05:57] <Dreamer3> membreya: not pretty
[05:58] <Chipzz> debian just rules :)
[05:58] <Brunellus> tell me about it.  GNOME looks really great
[05:58] <membreya> last time I played with linux was 5 years ago ... lotsa stuff changed..but then again I was mainly playing with freebsd
[05:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz: why are there so many rc directories instead of just one?
[05:58] <membreya> Dreamer3: idjet..not idject :) fancy way of saying idiot :)
[05:58] <viper12> The last year, and now into this year is making linux look really good.  I've completely dumped windows finally, and that was one reason a couple years ago I backed away from linux...i didn't want to have to run 2 os's.
[05:58] <Brunellus> although when I get this all sorted, I'm tempted to go to fluxbox
[05:58] <_jon_> membreya: you used freebsd for 5 years?
[05:58] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: man inittab
[05:58] <Brunellus> the multiple-OS thing isn't as big a deal for me anymore
[05:58] <Dreamer3> membreya: i thought so
[05:58] <membreya> _jon_: no ..i used to play with FreeBSD because that's what the network engineers made their servers on
[05:58] <Brunellus> although I dumped windows yesterday
[05:58] <_jon_> ahh
[05:59] <Dreamer3> membreya: using idjet just drives the point home
[05:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh jesus
[05:59] <Brunellus> I'm not a fanatic:  I'll use what works
[05:59] <membreya> so I had to play around with it as well since i was an "apprentice: ...another word for "boy get me a coffee"
[05:59] <_jon_> i've been back and forth between the BSDs and debian/ubuntu
[05:59] <_jon_> and now mac as well, but that falls under BSD
[05:59] <membreya> viper12: I cant dump windows until I figure out transcoding xvid to mpeg2 to burn DVDs :)
[06:00] <Brunellus> if I jump from ubuntu/debian anytime soon, it'll be to gentoo or slackware when I get a better hold of what's going on
[06:00] <membreya> oh and to get DMA working properly :P
[06:00] <viper12> uh.........membreya...hang on a sec.  got a site for you ta' look at.
[06:00] <membreya> schwing!
[06:00] <_jon_> Brunellus: stay away from slack, i tried it and had nothing but headaches
[06:00] <geppy> viper12: marillat?
[06:00] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: sorry, man init
[06:00] <membreya> damn apt-get ..never goes beyond 100 k/s
[06:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz:  so if i'm in runlevel 6, i should edit rc6.d?
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> _jon_:  i loved slackware, but i like ubuntu 10 times as much.
[06:01] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: man init dude
[06:01] <Chipzz> READ IT
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just read man inittab and it said it was based on runlevels.
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[06:01] <Chipzz> the part about runlevels and changing runlevels etc
[06:01] <TheMuso> _jon_: I agree. I liked it for a while, but the fact that there was no dependancy info, as well as other small utils to make things easier lead me to turn away form it, and use it for specialist applications.
[06:01] <_jon_> BROKEN_LADDER: well, i guess somebody had to like slack
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:01] <membreya> lo da_bon_bon
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> tritium: hi there.
[06:01] <viper12> membreya...check this site out.  http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
[06:01] <Chipzz> I pointed you to the wrong manpage, for which I apologise
[06:02] <viper12> and geppy........what about marillat?
[06:02] <membreya> french ....sacre bleux!
[06:02] <Chipzz> what exactly runlevels are is explained in man init
[06:02] <tritium> da_bon_bon, hello :)
[06:02] <Brunellus> grrr
[06:02] <Brunellus> gxine didn't do it
[06:02] <viper12> mem....just look at it. lol.
[06:02] <membreya> ello ello...thankyou viper! :)
[06:02] <geppy> viper12:  I was just wondering if the site was marillat, but apparently not. =)
[06:02] <membreya> j'dour voux!
[06:02] <Brunellus> it found my CDROM drive, but won't play the damned VCD
[06:03] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: and FYI, you can't be in runlevel 6 and do something usefull
[06:03] <viper12> its the avidemux application.......which is a near clone of virtualdub / and some other editing tools........pretty sweet stuff.
[06:03] <geppy> viper12:  Yeah, I like virtualdub. =)
[06:03] <viper12> lol geppy
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think i meant to say 5
[06:03] <membreya> lol, I'm making my girlfriend jealous with all the little games that linux has :P
[06:04] <viper12> I LOVE virtualdub..........p2p are us over here....wink wink........and I'll use it with wine, until I get some equivalent apps on the linux side.
[06:04] <geppy> hahaha
[06:04] <membreya> she wants me to install linux on her pc just for the games :|
[06:04] <tritium> membreya, Do it!  Do it now!
[06:04] <Brunellus> "check engine output for details"
[06:04] <viper12> lol trit
[06:04] <geppy> viper12:  Have you tried MainActor, Cinelerra, and the like?
[06:04] <viper12> not yet geppy...........jotting that down as fast as I can...........lol.
[06:04] <membreya> the only other thing I can't get working is safepeer for azureus to stop all those nasty federal agencies sending me more letters :|
[06:04] <tritium> viper12, :)
[06:04] <geppy> viper12:  there's a plethora of great Linux audio/video editing suites/softwares that are out there, it just takes a bit of searching. =)
[06:04] <da_bon_bon> linux games are not as good as windows games.. :(
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz:  okay, i looked over that.  so if i'm going to gdm, that's runlevel 5?  i want to edit files in /etc/rc5.d right?
[06:05] <geppy> viper12:  haha =)
[06:05] <Brunellus> dammit.  I can't work this out
[06:05] <Brunellus> it finds the device.  fine
[06:05] <membreya> da_bon_bon: have you played Frozen-bubble :P
[06:05] <Brunellus> but it won't play!
[06:05] <membreya> she loves games like that
[06:05] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: it's all run level 2
[06:05] <Brunellus> same bloody error as mplayer
[06:05] <Brunellus> (frm what I can work out)
[06:05] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: this is not rh :)
[06:05] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: in debian/ubuntu, GDM starts in runlevel 2
[06:05] <Brunellus> any ideas, anyone?
[06:05] <Chipzz> in RedHat, GDM indeed only starts in runlevel 5
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[06:06] <viper12> I've been using win2dvd for conversion of avi to dvd (very very slick program), virtual dub for audio re-sync and minor editing, tmpeg and nero for the primary stuff.
[06:06] <da_bon_bon> membreya: yes, thats a great game. have u played counter-strike ? :P
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> runlevel 2?!  i'm booting to gdm.
[06:06] <membreya> da_bon_bon: do I look like a fag? :P
[06:06] <membreya> hang on
[06:06] <membreya> don't answer that
[06:06] <membreya> haha
[06:06] <dido161> Hell everybody! I need some help: has anybody here installed warty or hoary on QLA2100?
[06:07] <da_bon_bon> membreya: he, no. :)
[06:07] <dido161> mine does not see the fiber drives at all!
[06:07] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/ | grep gdm
[06:07] <Quarupt> I have a question: If I am Using an AMD 64 proc, can i Upgrade to the 64Bit version of Ubuntu or do ii have to do a complete reinstall, and will i be ablr to use all x86 apps still?
[06:07] <da_bon_bon> dido161: now whats /that/ ?
[06:07] <Chipzz> if you don't believe me
[06:07] <Brunellus> viper12:  any ideas as to why I can't get VCD/DVD up?
[06:07] <viper12> what is the error brun?
[06:07] <viper12> I should ask......did you install libdvdcss yet?
[06:07] <Brunellus> Autoplay for input plugin 'VCD' failed.
[06:07] <Brunellus> Check engine output for further details
[06:07] <calc> Quarupt: reinstall i think
[06:07] <dido161> @da_bon_bon: that is a fiberchannel scsi controller card
[06:07] <viper12> that's with gxine?
[06:08] <Brunellus> yes.  libdvdcss2 is in
[06:08] <Brunellus> yes, that's with gxine.
[06:08] <Quarupt> calc, what about the second part of mah question?
[06:08] <viper12> did you by anychance install the big codec pack from mplayer's site?
[06:08] <Brunellus> the essential-codecs?  yes
[06:08] <viper12> 9meg ish
[06:08] <Brunellus> yes, that's the one.
[06:09] <viper12> hmmm.
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipke:  yes, i see that gdm is in rc2.d.
[06:09] <Brunellus> those are sitting in /usr/local/lib/codecs
[06:09] <viper12> have you checked gxine's site for info on the error?  I'm scratching at straws here brun...........as I haven't had the issues you're having.......since hoary. (sorry.)
[06:09] <tritium> Darnit, forgot to save alsactl store before reboot, and mythtv recorded with no audio
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> but booting to gui is traditionally runlevel 5.
[06:10] <Brunellus> weird.
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe i'm too used to unix.
[06:10] <calc> Quarupt: most packages are available for amd64 already, but you can make those that aren't run as x86 usually with some effort
[06:10] <Brunellus> let me try one thing.
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i not run init.d/ppp if i'm not using a modem?
[06:10] <membreya> viper12: let me guess, I have to install all the codecs before I compile that program so that it can transcode the files?
[06:10] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: not in debian/ubuntu
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> is it okay to turn it off?
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz:  so many strange things it does.
[06:10] <Quarupt> Guess i will stick with the x86 version
[06:10] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: just purge ppp ?
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, chmod -x
[06:11] <Quarupt> I dont see any point in using the 64 version
[06:11] <viper12> membreya, you sweat too mucheth, me thinks.  you still haven't redone the kernel for your box to get the dma working have ya? lol
[06:11] <membreya> viper12: ...nope too many kernel panicks!
[06:11] <geppy> Did I get disconnected?
[06:11] <Brunellus> HOLY JEBUS
[06:11] <geppy> yes, yes, I did
[06:11] <Brunellus> it's ALIVE!
[06:11] <viper12> sweet brun...what'd ya do?
[06:11] <membreya> Quarupt: you use the 64 bit so that there are complications in your life
[06:11] <viper12> and membreya....installing codec packs is relatively painless.
[06:11] <Brunellus> pointed gxine at the path for the codecs
[06:11] <Quarupt> lol
[06:12] <Quarupt> but its faster right?
[06:12] <Brunellus> I am such a dope
[06:12] <viper12> oh jeez. lol.
[06:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> Chipzz:  okay, i edited the links in rc2.d..gonna reboot and hope i don't get an smb daemon trying to start.  btw, why the hell do servers start before gdm?
[06:12] <viper12> yeah, brun...that'd do it I'd say. lol
[06:12] <membreya> Quarupt: *shrugs* haven't installed the 32 bit :P
[06:12] <saphari_> what is the link for dabian
[06:12] <Brunellus> huzzah.   the machine is now fully up
[06:12] <Quarupt> debian.org?
[06:12] <membreya> my system usually takes about 40 - 50 seconds to load fully
[06:13] <saphari_> lol
[06:13] <_jon_> damian?
[06:13] <saphari_> bad spelling
[06:13] <membreya> lunitik: debian's brother
[06:13] <membreya> the family weren't very creative
[06:13] <Brunellus> damian?  he was martyred with St. Cosimus
[06:13] <viper12> actually I thought he was the anti-christ.  he heh
[06:13] <saphari_> debian
[06:13] <lunitik> membreya: child*   cuz 'DebIan' refers to 2 people... and they're married, so I hope they don't share a brother... cuz that would be pretty close to incenst
[06:13] <membreya> viper12: that's me you're thinking of :P
[06:14] <Brunellus> it's a feast day.  Saints Cosimus and Damian
[06:14] <lunitik> incest
[06:14] <viper12> and the conversation swirls down the virtual toilet. lmao  :D
[06:14] <saphari_> you have the link?
[06:14] <membreya> lunitik: sounds like a Jerry Springer show to me
[06:14] <lunitik> membreya: Debbie and Ian Murdock... the latter was the founder of Debian
[06:14] <lunitik> membreya: foreal huh  :P
[06:14] <Brunellus> "cecidi amore tamquam blatta in peluim"
[06:14] <Brunellus> "I fell in love like a cockroach down the toilet"
[06:15] <Brunellus> -Publilius Syrus, 4th Century AD
[06:15] <membreya> lunitik: of course the latter was..ever known a girl to write an OS?
[06:15] <viper12> holy crud I forgot how many channels were in undernet. gads.
[06:15] <lunitik> Brunellus: any hints on how to pronounce that? cuz that could come in handy  8)
[06:15] <Brunellus> hell.  I ought to write a "fortunes" package in Latin
[06:15] <Brunellus> lunitik:  pronounce it however the hell you want to
[06:16] <viper12> lunitik, just pretend your father guido sarducci and it'll sound just fine.
[06:16] <lunitik> viper12: sounds good  :P
[06:16] <viper12> :D
[06:16] <Brunellus> Latin changed so much over the centuries, it's hard to know who's "right" in any given century
[06:16] <lunitik> Brunellus: cool... not being able to fuck up is a good starting point  :P
[06:16] <Brunellus> Cato the Elder wouldn't have sounded like Caesar or Syrus or St. Jerome
[06:16] <jdub> guys
[06:16] <jdub> offtopic to the max
[06:16] <membreya> Brunellus: I would assume it's much akin to the bastardising of the english language that's taking place as we speak :P
[06:16] <jdub> elsewhere please
[06:17] <Brunellus> any more than chaucer sounds like shakespeare or Dr. Dre
[06:17] <viper12> actually it started as a discussion about the 'debian'  jdub.  lmao.
[06:17] <lunitik> jdub: I'm sorry  *hands you ice cream*  all better?  :P
[06:17] <membreya> lol!
[06:17] <rj__> hrm
[06:17] <membreya> i blame saphari_ ....she started it
[06:18] <viper12> see what happens when a hoary mega-pack patch actually works?
[06:18] <viper12> :D
[06:18] <Brunellus> yaaaay!
[06:18] <geppy> Just out of curiosity, what'd be the feasibility of a bittorent-esque apt system?
[06:19] <viper12> good for you Brun.  I bloody forgot to even ask about pointing it to the codecs.
[06:19] <tritium> Brunellus, tagalog?  You're Filipino?
[06:19] <Brunellus> yup
[06:20] <tritium> Cool, so is my wife.
[06:20] <geppy> And my brother-in-law. =)
[06:20] <viper12> I've been to the phillipines twice...does that count?  ;)
[06:20] <geppy> hahaha
[06:20] <Brunellus> sure.
[06:20] <membreya> I've met a filipino..how's that?!
[06:20] <membreya> :P
[06:20] <tritium> I've been once.
[06:20] <viper12> well 1.5 times.  the first week there was at the bottom of mojo pitcher......snickers.
[06:20] <Brunellus> the music tends to be better than the action movies
[06:21] <Brunellus> but now, I can enjoy both on ubuntu.  yehey.
[06:21] <geppy> haha
[06:21] <ukilledkenny> anybody using hoarty?
[06:21] <viper12> here.
[06:21] <Brunellus> next order of business:  CD ripping...
[06:21] <membreya> will the wonders of modern technology ever cease to amaze us
[06:21] <ukilledkenny> i just upgraded from warty...
[06:21] <viper12> what's up kenny?
[06:21] <lunitik> ukilledkenny: nobody... I'm technically using hoary though (I think)
[06:22] <ukilledkenny> cant get x to start
[06:22] <Brunellus> and CDplaying generally.  neither XMMS nor gnome-cd want to pull cddb data
[06:22] <Brunellus> but, bizarrely, SoundJuicer DOES.
[06:22] <membreya> ukilledkenny: checked your log?
[06:22] <ukilledkenny> nope
[06:22] <membreya> Brunellus: launch a class action suit against soundjuicer for running a monopoly
[06:22] <viper12> what type of video card kenny?
[06:23] <ukilledkenny> Ati 9700
[06:23] <Brunellus> SoundJuicer defaults to ogg encoding, which is good
[06:23] <Brunellus> but doesn't give me any way to specify quality, which is not
[06:23] <geppy> SoundJuicer doesn't do FLAC, which is bad.
[06:23] <Brunellus> doesn't it?
[06:23] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[06:23] <tritium> Brunellus, you must be using Warty?
[06:23] <membreya> ukilledkenny: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:24] <ukilledkenny> and...
[06:24] <geppy> Brunellus: Does it?  There was a placeholder for it last time that I used it.
[06:24] <viper12> kenny, I've seen the warty-hoary upgrade fail more than once in getting the xorg piece.  you might want to apt-get xorg again just to make sure.
[06:24] <Brunellus> yeah, I'm using arty
[06:24] <jdub> geppy: sure it does.
[06:24] <geppy> jdub:  Hmmm...  Does it do Vorbis comments?
[06:24] <jdub> Brunellus: s-j uses musicbrainz, not freedb.
[06:24] <membreya> woooo 2 mins to go on the new update :D
[06:24] <jdub> geppy: like track tags? sure.
[06:25] <geppy> jdub:  Hmm, I might give it another try, then.
[06:25] <ukilledkenny> i have noob written all over me
[06:25] <Brunellus> weird.  s-j doesn't do MP3, but does do FLAC and vorbis
[06:25] <viper12> hey that's not a sin kenny........unless you 'stay' noob. ;)
[06:25] <Brunellus> and will not give me quality
[06:25] <ukilledkenny> will apt-get get rid of all my settings
[06:25] <membreya> only other problem I have at the moment is if I restart gnome ... my "places" removes my custom mounted drives and I have to reboot
[06:25] <Brunellus> any ideas for alternative ripping arrangements?
[06:25] <jdub> Brunellus: a legal mp3 encoder will cost you $
[06:25] <Brunellus> fair enough
[06:25] <ukilledkenny> my resolution settings... grub ...everything?
[06:25] <Tarkus> if im doing stuff like, php, perl, java, python etc.. is linux good for that?? or should i stick with windows??
[06:25] <viper12> no kenny.  with ati, you may have to go in and change a setting or two after its done, but it should come up.
[06:26] <Brunellus> I don't want mp3 so much as I want vorbis quality-control
[06:26] <membreya> ukilledkenny: since you can't get into gnome..you're not losing anything now are you :P
[06:26] <jdub> Brunellus: you can change that in gconf
[06:26] <Brunellus> and is the cddb/freedb non-function a known bug with warty?
[06:26] <geppy> jdub:  Are the patent holders not willing to license a MP3 gstreamer module, or something of the sort?
[06:26] <kim1> anyone up for a usb audio question?
[06:26] <jdub> no, it's probably the servers being down
[06:26] <steintr> Is there a Ubuntu-specific kernel compilation checklist anywhere?  I'm familiar with building stock kernels and somewhat familiar with make-kpkg, but for debugging purposes, I want to get as close to the binary Ubuntu build as possible (it boots, mine don't)
[06:26] <ukilledkenny> im on xp rite now... i miss warty
[06:27] <Brunellus> the servers can't be down...not for two whole days
[06:27] <viper12> kenny, even if x doesn't start, you can still apt-get the xorg piece from the command line.
[06:27] <jdub> geppy: for closed-source software with a per-seat fee, sure.
[06:27] <Brunellus> I ran kscd on suse the other day on the same box and it fetched freedb fine
[06:27] <jdub> geppy: or a very large payment to avoid the per-seat fee.
[06:27] <ukilledkenny> whats the command again... apt-get...
[06:27] <geppy> jdub:  Oh.
[06:27] <darkfusion> I would like to report a problem with my compact flash reader not working correctly in hoary, where should I start?
[06:27] <Brunellus> a few hours of non-availability I'll believe
[06:28] <geppy> jdub:  So, as it stands, RealPlayer is the only legal MP3 player for GNU/Linux users (without WINE, etc)?
[06:28] <jdub> Brunellus: run cddb-slave2-properties, reconfigure it perhaps
[06:28] <Brunellus> but 36-48 to me alone?  pah.
[06:28] <membreya> cd player just used CDDB, going to try the other apps :)
[06:28] <geppy> EGADS!
[06:28] <jdub> geppy: there are a number, but they're not Free software.
[06:28] <kim1> anyone solve getting audio out on an iMic on a ppc laptop?
[06:29] <geppy> jdub:  Ah, alright.
[06:29] <ukilledkenny> viper can u give me the command to apt-get the x.org thing
[06:29] <viper12> apt-get install xorg-common   I believe kenny
[06:29] <membreya> how the hell do you get xmms to play a CD :P
[06:29] <viper12> going from memory on that.
[06:29] <Brunellus> h'mmm
[06:29] <geppy> jdub:  The last U.S. MP3 patents expire in '06, right?
[06:29] <Brunellus> I can update server list
[06:30] <viper12> brb
[06:30] <Brunellus> weird.
[06:30] <jdub> no idea
[06:30] <Brunellus> cddb-slave2-properties lets me update my server list
[06:30] <Brunellus> I specified a server
[06:30] <Brunellus> and still nothing.
[06:31] <membreya> how to get xmms to play a CD
[06:31] <Brunellus> no such luck with XMMS, either
[06:31] <Brunellus> oh, XMMS plays CDs with the appropriate plugin
[06:32] <Brunellus> can't remember which, but if you look in synaptic, it will become obvious
[06:34] <Brunellus> h'mmmmmmmmmmm
[06:34] <Brunellus> ok.  do you all get freedb data from gnome-cd or not?
[06:35] <Brunellus> (those of you running warty)
[06:35] <neom> anyone tried hula on ubuntu yet?
[06:35] <geppy> Brunellus:  GRIP is good for the soul.
[06:35] <sic|> gui question: Any way to change the way windows open so they don't spawn a new window every time you open a dir?
[06:35] <geppy> Uh-oh.
[06:35] <viper12> back.
[06:36] <viper12> sic you can change that in the gconf editor, OR....a quick shortcut is to right click the folder and 'browse' it.
[06:36] <Ominus> tryin cat /proc/pci gives me a "File not Found" message.. what should i do?
[06:36] <darkfusion> can someone help me with a compact flash reader automounting in hoary?
[06:36] <sic|> ahh
[06:36] <sic|> cool...thanks viper12
[06:37] <geppy> sic|: Edit > Preferences >Behavior > Always open in browser windows
[06:37] <viper12> in the conf editor under system tools.....drill down to the nautilus folder...that's where to change the behavior.
[06:37] <Tarkus> is linux better for programming than windows?? (php, perl, java, python, C, C++, C#, etc..)
[06:37] <geppy> sic|: Just do that in Nautilus.
[06:37] <viper12> and np sic
[06:38] <Brunellus> h'mmm
[06:38] <viper12> Now IMHO that browsing question is one that ubuntu really oughta address if they're going for the 'new-user' groups.  People get completely used to nested browsing and when it doesn't automatically happen, its kinda' confusing.
[06:39] <membreya> viper12: I would get more lost if it was all in one window :P
[06:39] <viper12> not to mention a potential clutter fest.
[06:39] <viper12> membreya, you're not normal.  heh heh.
[06:39] <membreya> tritium: mmm merlot :)
[06:39] <steintr> The linux-source deb is pre-patched for Debian patches like initcramfs, right?
[06:39] <membreya> now tritium ..is it FRENCH merlot? :)
[06:39] <tritium> membreya, it's good.  No, Australian
[06:39] <membreya> oh :)
[06:40] <Ominus> tryin cat /proc/pci gives me a "File not Found" message.. what should i do?
[06:40] <zenrox> how do i forcefuly umount a drive
[06:40] <membreya> ya...the Australian Merlot's are on par with French :)
[06:40] <ukilledkenny> anybody know any good amd64 distros
[06:40] <viper12> aussie.......what brand trit?  there is some good stuff coming outta aus.
[06:40] <steintr> Tarkus: I'm not sure there's a better or worse --- I'm partial to Linux in general, and there are definitely good tools.  But if you don't know Linux, those benefits are offset.
[06:40] <tritium> viper12, Little Penguin
[06:40] <viper12> :)
[06:40] <membreya> my girlfriend has forbidden me from drinking since I've been vomiting blood..shame I have like 30 bottles of wine sitting there :(
[06:40] <steintr> Tarkus: Of course, it never hurts to take the plunge. :)
[06:41] <tritium> It should be the official Linux wine brand
[06:41] <viper12> kenny, just go to http://distrowatch.com .  If its not listed there, its not there.
[06:41] <geppy> Is it legal to redistribute Sun's JVM?
[06:42] <viper12> lol trit...makes sense. :D
[06:42] <tritium> yeah ;)
[06:44] <membreya> hmmm who's running an amd64 here and has x264 encoder running :D
[06:44] <Brunellus> OK.  Im' goin to go to bed.  V
[06:44] <viper12> g'nite brun
[06:44] <Ominus> anyone could help with a possibly missing system file?
[06:44] <steintr> geppy: I think the answer is no.  (http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp)
[06:44] <geppy> steintr: thanks
[06:45] <cafuego> ANything new and exciting in today's Xorg update?
[06:45] <Pluk> Ominus, can you get enough info from lspci -vv ?
[06:45] <steintr> geppy: But read for yourself --- there's a license for "internal" redist.; don't know if that helps you.
[06:45] <Quarupt> whats a good app for streaming music?
[06:45] <Ominus> Pluk, not at all.. it doesn't shows IRQ nor I/O
[06:46] <viper12> warty or hoary quarupt?
[06:46] <Quarupt> in windoze i used yahoo/launchcast
[06:46] <neom> load average: 0.11, 0.29, 0.26 is that a high load?
[06:46] <Quarupt> warty, (ithink)
[06:46] <viper12> I'm streaming with rythmbox as we type.
[06:46] <crimsun> neom: no.
[06:46] <viper12> however......on warty, I had huge issues with that......and used xmms which works great.
[06:46] <Quarupt> xmms has Iradio?
[06:46] <geppy> steintr: hahaha... thanks =)
[06:47] <neom> my box has become quite unstable as of late, and I don't know why.
[06:47] <viper12> you talking about streaming out or receiving streams?
[06:47] <Ominus> Pluk, using WinXP Device Manager i found that the hardware is using IRQ 16 and COM3... but... aren't there only 15 IRQ?
[06:47] <tritium> Good night.
[06:47] <neom> I click on things, they look like they are about to open, and then nothing happens.
[06:47] <neom> They just disapear.
[06:47] <Quarupt> recieving
[06:47] <steintr> For a dual Xeon box, I was hoping for faster kernel compiles than this.  Impatient me...
[06:47] <crimsun> cafuego: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-February/003044.html
[06:48] <viper12> then on warty, I'd say get xmms.  I don't know about lradio?? but shoutcast stations worked just fine.
[06:48] <Quarupt> that is internet radio?
[06:49] <viper12> yes quarupt.
[06:49] <Quarupt> i dun see any radio button on xmms?
[06:50] <Quarupt> i have to use the web and find stations manually?
[06:50] <geppy> Quarupt:  Either that, or use Rythmbox
[06:50] <geppy> *Rhythmbox
[06:50] <Quarupt> is it packaged?
[06:50] <viper12> geppy, rythm on warty?  I never got that working on warty.  Its fine in hoary, but always borked in warty.
[06:50] <geppy> viper12:  eh
[06:50] <viper12> its default in warty quarupt.
[06:51] <viper12> its listed as 'music player' under sound and video.
[06:51] <geppy> viper12:  It never worked for me in Warty until XMMS broke, and I didn't feel like fixing it;  Rhythmbox magically worked
[06:51] <geppy> viper12:  But, yeah, it's a lot better in Hoary. =)
[06:51] <geppy> Is that task bar bug ever going to get fixed in Hoary?
[06:51] <viper12> lol geppy.
[06:52] <Quarupt> apt didnt find any packages called Rythmbox?
[06:52] <neom> What does "buffer i/0 error on device hdd" mean?
[06:52] <geppy> Quarupt: rhythmbox
[06:52] <viper12> quarupt, if you're USING warty, then go to sound and video on the top menu, and select music player.  THAT IS rythmbox.
[06:52] <Zotnix> rhythmbox
[06:52] <Zotnix> Though I think the name should be changed.
[06:52] <Zotnix> Rhythm is hard to spell.
[06:52] <geppy> Zotnix: Why?
[06:53] <geppy> haha
[06:53] <viper12> lol
[06:53] <geppy> Zotnix:  It's good for people to learn, then. =)
[06:53] <Zotnix> Maybe... "beatbox"
[06:53] <Quarupt> could not open resource for writing?
[06:53] <Zotnix> or "Musicbox"
[06:53] <Quarupt> I think its broke in Warty
[06:53] <geppy> Zotnix: But rhythmbox just sounds better.
[06:54] <Quarupt> keeps saying "could not open resource for writing" ?
[06:54] <Zotnix> Another program: gkrellm
[06:54] <geppy> Quarupt: That means that you're using the sound device.
[06:54] <Zotnix> I can never spell that right.
[06:54] <rj-> is there anyway to make nautilus stop oepning everything in new windows
[06:54] <geppy> Quarupt:  Either 'killall esd', or 'gstreamer-properties' and select ESD
[06:54] <sic|> because we all help each other so much and our community is growing...I give you all an important Public Service Message
[06:54] <sic|> http://www.scrotalsafetycommission.com/
[06:54] <sic|> :)
[06:54] <rj-> like when im in a folder, i click another folder and it opens another damn window
[06:54] <geppy> rj: Edit > Preferences >Behavior > Always open in browser windows
[06:55] <viper12> Quarupt, as I was saying........rythmbox in warty really had 'issues'.  I used xmms until I moved up to hoary.  and yes, I had to click on a station via a web page, but I use shoutcast pretty exclusively, so it was no biggie for me.
[06:55] <viper12> now that rythm is fixed in hoary, it allows me to add streams to its radio list and all is happy again.
[06:55] <Zotnix> One needs to get the win32codecs and "gst-register-0.8"
[06:55] <Quarupt> ya now it says its playing but no sound is coming out
[06:55] <rj-> thank's :)
[06:56] <Quarupt> it froze
[06:56] <Quarupt> yea its broken bad
[06:56] <geppy> Quarupt:  That kind of sucks. =/
[06:56] <darmou> does anyone know where I can find some info about getting mysql to accept network connections?
[06:56] <Zotnix> What version does warty use?
[06:56] <maximaus> rj: or double click with the "middle" mouse button or wheel
[06:56] <geppy> darmou:  #mysql ?
[06:56] <darmou> thanks geppy
[06:56] <geppy> darmou:  No problem.
[06:57] <Zotnix> maximaus, oh wow. That does crash it.
[06:57] <Quarupt> Yea its definitly broke
[06:57] <Zotnix> I wish I knew C
[06:57] <Zotnix> I would look into it.
[06:57] <Quarupt> how do i check if im using Horay or Warty?
[06:57] <maximaus> Zotnix, no crashy here LOL. On warty.
[06:57] <Zotnix> On Hoary
[06:58] <viper12> quarupt.........the easiest way right now....top menu.........are there two titles or three? if two yer on warty, if three (apps places, system) then its hoary.
[06:58] <geppy> Quarupt: less /etc/issue
[06:58] <viper12> lol
[06:58] <viper12> geppy, sometimes just an eyeball will work. ;)
[06:58] <Quarupt> i have apps and computer
[06:58] <geppy> viper12: heh =)
[06:58] <Zotnix> My main problem with porogramming is I keep switching trying to learn other ones.
[06:58] <viper12> then you're on warty (the stable release.)
[06:59] <Quarupt> oh
[06:59] <Quarupt> I just installed the one they sent me
[06:59] <viper12> and I coulda' told you that, because rythm box was splatting on you with streaming.  heh heh
[06:59] <Zotnix> I should learn to stick with one language.
[07:00] <viper12> zot I had the same problem...then I realized the one language I needed to stick with was.............(drum roll)..........english.  ;)
[07:00] <Zotnix> Programming* Ack
[07:01] <Zotnix> I learned my english good; it is unpossible for me to fail at it!
[07:01] <viper12> lmao
[07:02] <Quarupt> guess i will have to use launchcast
[07:03] <viper12> welp, eyes be fried..........off ta bed. have fun all!
[07:03] <Quarupt> or not dont support non IE browsers
[07:08] <Quarupt> i tried to enter a url into xmms and it didnt play anything
[07:09] <Quarupt> wheres the actual xmms bin?
[07:09] <eyequeue> probably /usr/bin/
[07:09] <tony> Hi, is there anyone around who can talk me through setting a WEP key on a WiFi card on Ubuntu for PPC?
[07:10] <eyequeue> or a symlink there points to it
[07:10] <ficusplanet> tony: Hoary or warty?
[07:10] <Quarupt> nm it was /usr/bin
[07:10] <tony> Ficusplanet Warty I think, current download anyway
[07:11] <Quarupt> you cant skip with xmms/shoutcast station?
[07:12] <ficusplanet> OK.  Well, it is slightly trickier with warty.  You'll have to run "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURESSID" and then "sudo iwconfig wlan0 key YOURWEPKEY"  If you're using a laptop, I'd really just suggest moving to hoary as soon as the preview is out on the 9th.
[07:13] <membreya> hmmm anyone know how I get aclocal-1.8 onto my PC?
[07:13] <ficusplanet> ficusplanet: You need to replace wlan0 with whatever your wireless interface is, by the way.  Run iwconfig to figure that out.
[07:13] <tony> Ficusplanet: Ah, i thought it looked too easy, just click properties in network setting and punch it in....The pity of it is that the card is working just fine, if I turn security off at the AP, away it all goes.
[07:15] <tony> Forgot, I am ona laptop, I'll try iwconfig right now as the setup is within a heartbeat of working.
[07:15] <ficusplanet> tony: Well, if you aren't going to be moving between networks a lot, you can set a wep key in /etc/network/interfaces and just be done with it.  However, network-admin is a little flaky in warty (at least that is my experience).  In hoary, you can install netapplet and network-admin is much nicer.
[07:17] <mlambie> i've just upgraded from warty to hoary and now all of my fonts look really blurry. I'm guessing it's to do witht he move from XFree86 to x.org - does anyone have any advice on how to fix?
[07:17] <Quarupt> is there something you can install on warty that will allow you to connect to your x server via windows machine with remote desktop comercial
[07:18] <eyequeue> commercial?
[07:18] <Quarupt> connection*
[07:18] <steintr> Woohoo!  Finally got the home-built kernel to work!
[07:18] <Quarupt> dunno why i ytped that
[07:18] <steintr> Now to the next problem --- /dev/sda not being seen by lvm...
[07:19] <ficusplanet> Quarupt: Just enable remote desktop by using the "Remote Desktop" capplet in the preferences menu.
[07:19] <eyequeue> applications > internet > remote-desktop-client
[07:20] <ficusplanet> eyequeue: I think he wants to view the Ubuntu box in Windows, not the other way around.
[07:20] <Quarupt> and i can connect to that server with winxp pro's remote desktop connection?
[07:20] <ficusplanet> Quarupt: I believe so.  It's just a VNC server.
[07:21] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  vnc is multi-platform
[07:21] <jdub> Quarupt: no, you can't. only vnc.
[07:21] <Quarupt> so i would need to use a VNC viewer not remote desktop connection
[07:21] <Quarupt> i need something that i can use at work to connect to my X server
[07:21] <Quarupt> i cant intsall 3rd party software
[07:22] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  rem.d.conn. sounds a lot like it really means vnc client
[07:22] <bbbman> hey, could someone do me a BIG favor? i deleted an imporant file. I need someone to dcc me the file
[07:23] <eyequeue> bbbman:  /etc/shadow ?
[07:23] <Quarupt> eyequeue, what does that mean?
[07:23] <bbbman> lol, no
[07:23] <bbbman> libnullplugin.so
[07:23] <tony> ficusplanet: Many thanks, all I needed to do was use iwconfig to put in the WEP key and away it went.Am now "wireless" and have rolled up the blue cable.  Now for my next act, find a 2nd hand Airport card so I can put my Orinoco back in my X86 laptop. Once again, many thanks and cheers Tony
[07:23] <Quarupt> just undelete it
[07:23] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  remote.desktop.connnectoin. sounds a lot like it really means vnc client
[07:23] <tims> winvnc
[07:23] <bbbman> its found in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so:
[07:23] <bbbman> i used 'rm'
[07:23] <ficusplanet> tony: np.
[07:23] <eyequeue> tims:  he can't install software at work
[07:24] <Quarupt> but jdub says i can only view it with the VNC viewer not Windows remote desktop connection
[07:24] <bbbman> anyone care to help me out
[07:24] <Quarupt> I believe windows remote desktop connection uses its own protocol
[07:25] <eyequeue> bbbman:  i don't seem to have that here
[07:25] <bbbman> darn
[07:25] <Quarupt> bbbman, just put the file.name in google
[07:25] <bbbman> i did, but there are no download sites for it
[07:25] <tims> http://www.realvnc.com/javavncviewer.html
[07:26] <Quarupt> whats the file i will get ya a link
[07:26] <Quarupt> tims, Like i said i connot use 3rd party software at work
[07:26] <bbbman> libnullplugin.so
[07:26] <eyequeue> bbbman:  dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libplugin.so
[07:26] <tims> hmm thought you could use it from a browser
[07:26] <eyequeue> bbbman:  dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so
[07:26] <Quarupt> Java is 3rd party
[07:27] <eyequeue> bbbman:  dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so <--- what package does that say at the front of the output line?
[07:28] <bbbman> mozilla-firefox
[07:28] <Quarupt> I dont see anything for setup remote connection in anyof my menu's
[07:28] <Quarupt> just windows terminal server
[07:29] <eyequeue> bbbman:  okay, sudo apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox
[07:29] <bbbman> oh, ok thanks.
[07:29] <eyequeue> bbbman:  no prob
[07:29] <Quarupt> eyequeue,  how do i setup a remote connection server again?
[07:29] <rriche> hey
[07:30] <rriche> anyone know what might be causing this?
[07:30] <rriche> xmms
[07:30] <rriche> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:30] <rriche> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[07:30] <zenrox> rriche, install mikmod
[07:30] <rriche> ahh, thx
[07:31] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  you have universe repository yet?
[07:31] <Quarupt> ya
[07:31] <TomAraya> Hello
[07:31] <rriche> libmikmod2 enough? i dont need mikmod as well do i?
[07:31] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  sudo apt-get install vncserver
[07:31] <Quarupt> i dun have to type sudo ;)
[07:31] <rriche> woot
[07:31] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  dirty boy lol
[07:32] <rriche> search & discovery would have done that easy enough. hehe.. thx again zenrox
[07:32] <Quarupt> sudo passwd
[07:32] <Echylo> question, can you shutdown your pc after a certain time?
[07:32] <Quarupt> get sleepy
[07:32] <eyequeue> Echylo:  man at (at foo shutdown)
[07:32] <Quarupt> okay i got the vnc server how do i set it up?
[07:33] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  lynx /usr/share/doc/vncserver/
[07:33] <Quarupt> i have to use lynk?
[07:33] <Quarupt> lynx
[07:33] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  there are files in there that might mention securing your server too, i don't have it here on this box myself
[07:34] <zenrox> rriche,  n/p thats why i am here
[07:34] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  no, it's just what i find to be the best doc file browser, handles compressed noncompressed directorytraversal everything
[07:34] <Quarupt> can i use a regular browser instead of lynx?
[07:34] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  aure
[07:34] <eyequeue> sure
[07:35] <nathan_> hello all
[07:35] <nathan_> first timer here...
[07:35] <nathan_> just installed ubuntu tonight
[07:35] <Quarupt> oh i have to manually set it up by editing a file, is there no script?
[07:35] <Pluk> welcome nathan_ :)
[07:35] <nathan_> thanks Pluk, how are things?
[07:35] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  it's probably in /etc/vnc*
[07:35] <Quarupt> a script?
[07:35] <eyequeue> no
[07:35] <Pluk> great here :) good to see you found your way to this #
[07:36] <Quarupt> then what?
[07:36] <nathan_> This is pretty cool besides my sound card not being setup properly
[07:36] <eyequeue> at least i doubt it, i haven't set up a vnc server since ubuntu
[07:36] <Quarupt> I dun like to edit conf's i wanna use a script or a GUI
[07:36] <nathan_> I'm going to do my best to get into this..I'm a windows guy but like the open source this provides
[07:37] <Quarupt> didnt someone say there was a app somewhere in my menu's?
[07:37] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  you read the docs to see how to open things for your connection from work, then you follow the directions and edit the config in /etc/ then you /etc/init.dvncserver restart
[07:37] <nathan_> Is this a good place to get help for newbies like myself? ore can you recommend a different avenue?
[07:37] <Quarupt> im just gunna use the java applet that guy told me about
[07:38] <Quarupt> i just wanna setup the server
[07:38] <Quarupt> as a regulat vnc server
[07:38] <Quarupt> im sure there is an app somewhere someone said so earlier
[07:38] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  um, you're setting up an internet-facing server that will allow any remote attacker access toi your box ... i woudn't use a script for that
[07:38] <Pluk> this is the place nathan_ , most of the time you get a reply and sometimes you dont. maybe we dont know or were just lazy :P
[07:38] <Quarupt> lmao yea behind two routers with NAT and a hand built firewall
[07:39] <rriche> anyone have an mp3 handy on a httpd that i can grab? :)
[07:39] <Quarupt> I used to be an explotationist
[07:39] <Pluk> lol somebody is paranoid :P
[07:39] <Quarupt> I know security
[07:39] <Quarupt> i bult my ipchain
[07:39] <Quarupt> i bult my hardware box
[07:39] <Quarupt> the firewall
[07:40] <Pluk> same here though :)
[07:40] <eyequeue> Quarupt:  sounds like you'll be great at securiing it
[07:40] <Quarupt> i could log on X as root and chang my password to HACKME post it on the net and still be safe
[07:40] <geppy> rriche: 24.0.83.218/apache2-default/local/audio/band/head_talk.mp3
[07:40] <Pluk> firwalling a routed subnet and firewall the pcs itselfs
[07:41] <Quarupt> So theres no GUI or script for configuring a VNC server or any remote desktop connection server?
[07:41] <eyequeue> not to my knowledge
[07:41] <ficusplanet> Quarupt: In your preferences menu there should be a capplet called Remote Deskto
[07:41] <nullvoid> I got error saying : Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatefromjpeg() in /usr/share/newmail/plugins/album/index.php on line 596
[07:42] <ficusplanet> *p
[07:42] <Quarupt> I could have sworn some said earlier there was
[07:42] <eyequeue> look in /examples under the doc directory, if there is one
[07:42] <Quarupt> im not editing files
[07:42] <mlambie> all the fots look blurry after upgrading to hoary - does anyone have any advice?
[07:42] <Quarupt> i have done that all day at work and i will do that tomorrow at work
[07:43] <eyequeue> all athat with ipchains, but no file editor, oh well, i don't have any other suggestions
[07:43] <Quarupt> lmao, like i said i spend all day editing files
[07:44] <Quarupt> Of course i used Vim to set up my IPchains
[07:44] <Quarupt> but that doesnt mean i need to use it for everything
[07:45] <Quarupt> I love that you can use limewire basic to download limewire pro
[07:45] <OrangeSlice> is it me or is the backports repository not responding?
[07:46] <Quarupt> here comes a net-split...
[07:46] <eyequeue> OrangeSlice:  works fine here
[07:47] <OrangeSlice> ah there it goes
[07:47] <eyequeue> OrangeSlice:  read http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:47] <OrangeSlice> it stalled for about 5 minutes while fetching gthumb
[07:47] <membreya> is there any way to get an easy answer as to why a program is seg faulting when I run "make" on it ???
[07:47] <Quarupt> what is gthumb?
[07:47] <OrangeSlice> Err http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main gthumb 3:2.6.1-3-4.10ubp1
[07:47] <OrangeSlice>   Error reading from server Remote end closed connection
[07:47] <eyequeue> OrangeSlice:  time to migrate to the new, if you hve not yet
[07:47] <gepp1> Quarupt: GNOME image viewing thing
[07:47] <OrangeSlice> I'm not moving to hoary util the final release
[07:48] <OrangeSlice> can't risk compromizing my desktop at this point
[07:48] <eyequeue> OrangeSlice:  yeah, read the info http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ and make the change, this has *nothing* to do with hoary
[07:48] <tims> anyone have plone running under hoary?
[07:48] <maximaus> Quarupt, a fabulous digital image management program.
[07:48] <OrangeSlice> er
[07:48] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[07:48] <gepp1> When I use the recursive option with wget, for some reason, it always crawls _up_ the tree, as well as down.  How can I tell it only to go down?
[07:48] <eyequeue> OrangeSlice:  sourceforge is going away
[07:48] <Quarupt> Like the Gimp
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> say what
[07:49] <Echylo> how can you auto shutdown your pc after a certain time, somebody mentioned foo shutdown?? or what?
[07:49] <eyequeue> OrangeSlice:  the web page explains
[07:49] <eyequeue> Echylo:  man at
[07:49] <Echylo> man at?
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> T_T
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> I don't see anything about it
[07:49] <eyequeue> Echylo:  yes, read the man page for the program at
[07:50] <Echylo> ow
[07:50] <Echylo> at
[07:50] <eyequeue> Echylo:  man at <-- command to do that
[07:50] <Echylo> the prog called "at"
[07:50] <Echylo> to delay processes
[07:50] <Echylo> I see
[07:50] <Quarupt> I hate wehn some one tell you RTFM when you allready have and its the reason your asking in here
[07:50] <Echylo> no
[07:50] <Echylo> I can find it now
[07:50] <eyequeue> Echylo:  you'll run "shutdown" at whenever
[07:51] <Echylo> ubuntu isn't google
[07:51] <Echylo> #ubuntu is just giving you the direction
[07:51] <eyequeue> yeah
[07:51] <eyequeue> teaching you to be fluent with your box :)
[07:51] <Pluk> feel the force, man is the force
[07:52] <gepp1> Quarupt:  No one in here has told you to RTFM, nor have they complained about your not looking into things yourself.  If you want to find out what gthumb is, open it.  If you want to find out what the GIMP is, open it.  If you want to try out Rhythmbox, just open it.
[07:52] <Echylo> how you quit of those man pages
[07:52] <gepp1> Echylo: q
[07:52] <Echylo> :q
[07:52] <Echylo> :p
[07:52] <Echylo> I remember
[07:52] <Echylo> of Vi
[07:52] <gepp1> =)
[07:53] <eyequeue> Echylo:  you are probably in a pager called "less" by the way, and "q" quits from less (which you'll see all over the place)
[07:53] <Quarupt> gepp1, 1. I wasn't speaking to you. 2. I wasn't saying that someone told ME to RTFM 3. I will say your name when I am speaking to you
[07:53] <Echylo> uhu
[07:53] <EndGame> damn
[07:54] <gepp1> Quarupt:  erm, okay
[07:54] <EndGame> do not speak unless spoken to!
[07:54] <Echylo> Quarupt, keep you arrogancy for outside #ubuntu
[07:54] <eyequeue> EndGame:  and only say words he'll approve of
[07:54] <Echylo> be friendly in here :)
[07:54] <eyequeue> Echylo:  exactly :)
[07:54] <EndGame> yeah man, its ubuntu, that swaheli for love, or something
[07:54] <Quarupt> I was being friendly I didnt speak one word to him
[07:55] <EndGame> your killin the buzz, man
[07:55] <Quarupt> But he noised in
[07:55] <TomAraya> I'm a total newbie, I'm download a game demo right now, it is called. RH-demo.dmg.gz .. I've tried to download games before, and realized it was easier to use Synaptic. However, I couldn't find it in synaptic, so obviously the demo isn't on the repositories that I have. I'm downloading the file to my home directory. What would be the next step after that?
[07:55] <Echylo> what the is an ukelele
[07:55] <wm_eddie> And my System folder is empty...
[07:55] <eyequeue> Echylo:  tiny stringed instrument
[07:55] <wm_eddie> I hate hoary... I need something more stable than this...
[07:55] <Echylo> and why does he hits me with that
[07:55] <Quarupt> Well the guy said, "I read the man page and researched on google, then someone told hime to man at
[07:55] <Quarupt> i was just saying
[07:55] <EndGame> TomAraya, tar -xjf <file Name>
[07:55] <Echylo> quar nvm :)
[07:55] <Echylo> peace!
[07:55] <TomAraya> EndGame, danke
[07:55] <gepp1> Does the Ubuntu apache2 binary have mod_rewrite enabled?
[07:55] <EndGame> cd <resulting directory>
[07:56] <EndGame> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[07:56] <Code_Dark> does ubuntu have a graphical installer?
[07:56] <gepp1> Code_Dark: No, it has an ncurses (text-based) installer
[07:56] <EndGame> Code_Dark, you dont call that a graphical installer?
[07:56] <gepp1> Code_Dark:  It's very user-friendly, though
[07:56] <EndGame> i didnt have to type commands, thus its graphical
[07:56] <OrangeSlice> ncurses is graphical :)
[07:56] <eyequeue> gepp1:  mine does, yes
[07:56] <gepp1> EndGame: No graphics means not graphical =P
[07:56] <Code_Dark> oh thank god.
[07:56] <Code_Dark> i loathe graphical (x based) installers
[07:56] <Echylo> lol
[07:57] <EndGame> ubuntu installed in like 5 minutes, did it use a precompiled kernel and a bunch of modules or what?
[07:57] <gepp1> eyequeue:  Your Ubuntu has a graphical installer?
[07:57] <eyequeue> gepp1:  if not btw, you just make a symlink, very nifty
[07:57] <EndGame> Code_Dark, gimme a command line any day
[07:57] <cafuego> Echylo: To break it, so people can't play it near me.
[07:57] <gepp1> eyequeue: Did you port Anaconda, or is it only with Array 6, or something?
 Does the Ubuntu apache2 binary have mod_rewrite enabled?
[07:57] <gepp1> eyequeue:  Oh!
[07:57] <Pluk> i prefer irc over the sims every day
[07:57] <gepp1> eyequeue:  Sorry, I'd forgotten what I'd asked.  Thanks! =)
[07:57] <eyequeue> heh
[07:58] <geppy> eyequeue:  Thanks!
[07:58] <eyequeue> gepp1:  i'd love to see a gui created with a mere symlink ;)
[07:58] <Code_Dark> okay, basically, lemme say this. im used to slackware, but im looking for a change. I don't want what some may call "newbie" distros because I like to tweak my OS a lot... will ubuntu be good for me?
[07:58] <Echylo> omg
[07:58] <Pluk> :D:D
[07:58] <Deviant> since my ndiswrapper has supported my driver for my wireless card and it says its install that mean I should be able to setup wireless?
[07:58] <EndGame> Code_Dark, no
[07:58] <geppy> eyequeue: hahaha =D
[07:58] <EndGame> no it will not
[07:58] <EndGame> in any way
[07:58] <EndGame> be good for you
[07:58] <Pluk> hehe nite cafuego
[07:58] <membreya> is there any way to get an easy answer as to why a program is seg faulting when I run "make" on it ???
[07:59] <TomAraya> EndGame, what did I do wrong here?
[07:59] <TomAraya>  $ tar -xjf RH-demo.dmg.gz
[07:59] <TomAraya> bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[07:59] <TomAraya> tar: Child returned status 2
[07:59] <TomAraya> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[07:59] <cafuego> membreya: is gcc segfaulting? Your box is overheating!
[07:59] <EndGame> ah
[07:59] <mlambie> all of my windows are bunched up at the bottom on the panel - how can i make them spread out?
[07:59] <geppy> TomAraya: tar -xvjf
[07:59] <EndGame> its xzf then
[07:59] <cafuego> TomAraya: file RH-demo.dmg.gz
[07:59] <EndGame> wrong file type
[07:59] <geppy> TomAraya:  Wait, no.
[07:59] <eyequeue> TomAraya:  it told you :)  it's a gzip, not a bzip2 btw
[07:59] <membreya> cafuego: I'm getting
[07:59] <Quarupt> Why would anyone use Gaim as an IRC client?
[07:59] <eyequeue> night geppy
[08:00] <EndGame> Quarupt, the same reson they would use ubuntu as a linux distro
[08:00] <geppy> g'night, all, and my most sarcastic apologies if I might've spoken when I was not spoken to
[08:00] <EndGame> it just works and they dont know any better :-)
[08:00] <Quarupt> Convienece?
[08:00] <cafuego> "it does what they need it to do"
[08:00] <membreya> motion_est.c: In function `ff_estimate_motion_b':
[08:00] <membreya> motion_est.c:1552: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[08:00] <membreya> pc is only running at 38 degrees celcius
[08:00] <TomAraya>  file RH-demo.dmg.gz
[08:00] <TomAraya> RH-demo.dmg.gz: gzip compressed data, was "RH-demo.dmg", from Unix, max compression
[08:00] <Code_Dark> EndGame: was that sarcasm, or... will i seriously hate ubuntu?
[08:00] <membreya> I've had it up to 120 when my cpu fan wasn't connected properly :| lol
[08:00] <EndGame> Code_Dark, what have you used before?
[08:00] <geppy> TomAraya:  Try opening it in file-roller?
[08:01] <cafuego> membreya: maybe broken ram. Normally indicates some form of hardware malfunction.
[08:01] <Code_Dark> EndGame: slackware
[08:01] <eyequeue> TomAraya:  gunzip the file
[08:01] <EndGame> you'll hate it
[08:01] <EndGame> you have my word
[08:01] <EndGame> try gentoo
[08:01] <EndGame> i love my gentoo
[08:01] <cafuego> EndGame: Bah.
[08:01] <EndGame> i love it so much i lurk in this channel and make fun of the hipies
[08:01] <cafuego> Gentoo causes global warming.
[08:01] <Code_Dark> yeah, i am. wow.
[08:01] <EndGame> *hippies
[08:01] <Code_Dark> okay, ill use that.
[08:01] <Chipzz> EndGame: so why are you here then?
[08:02] <EndGame> cause somewhere in my cold dark heart i have hope for this distro
[08:02] <eyequeue> Code_Dark:  what aspects of slackware did you most enjoy?
[08:02] <cafuego> EndGame: Did you read the march '05 LJ article about gcc optimisations?
[08:02] <Quarupt> Nmap went closed source? wtf?
[08:02] <EndGame> cafuego, no, linkage?
[08:02] <cafuego> EndGame: paper
[08:02] <EndGame> ah
[08:02] <Code_Dark> eyequeue: well, i dont use x. at all. i liked being able to choose exactly what was on my system, and the do-it-yourself feel.
[08:02] <Echylo> gtg school bye
[08:02] <EndGame> noflex, i shall look that up next time i go out of my house
[08:02] <TomAraya> eyequeue, when I gunzip (filename) nothing happened. I guess I'll try file-roller.
[08:02] <cafuego> EndGame: Read the bit where it mentions "optimisations may or may not speed things up, it depends entirely on the software"
[08:03] <EndGame> Code_Dark, gentoo or linux from scratch
[08:03] <wm_eddie> Is it possible to downgrade to Warty?
[08:03] <EndGame> cafuego, is this leading to a knock on gentoo?
[08:03] <Code_Dark> EndGame: gentoo seems to have some issues installing with me, i got a segfault during the portage extraction
[08:03] <cafuego> wm_eddie: I doubt it.
[08:03] <eyequeue> Code_Dark:  i'm not an x guy myself, i'm forcing myself to learn.  ubuntu *can* be x-less btw, but gentoo does sound like you'd enjoy it
[08:03] <cafuego> EndGame: No, misguided gentoo users <heh>
[08:03] <EndGame> haha
[08:04] <EndGame> eh, i use gentoo because it doesnt just work (tm)
[08:04] <cafuego> I remember back in '93 we had to compile everything as well.
[08:04] <Chipzz> EndGame: I'm really not sure if I have to laugh at gentoo for anyone being so stupid as to run it, or if I have to feel sad for these persons
[08:04] <Code_Dark> eyequeue, EndGame - okay, thanks guys. I'll give gentoo another try.
[08:04] <cafuego> After 12 years of compiling, I massively CBA.
[08:04] <eyequeue> Code_Dark:  if you want x-less ubuntu, choose the custom server install btw
[08:04] <EndGame> Chipzz, whys that?
[08:04] <Code_Dark> eyequeue: hm, k
[08:04] <TomAraya> Hmmm.. Could not open "RH-demo.dmg"
[08:04] <TomAraya> Archive type not supported.
[08:04] <EndGame> dmg is for macs, man
[08:04] <Chipzz> EndGame: because 90% of the gentoo users dont have a fucking clue but think they do :P
[08:05] <cafuego> TomAraya: it's a disk image for MacOS X.
[08:05] <Chipzz> for instance
[08:05] <EndGame> Chipzz, damn, thats low :-)
[08:05] <EndGame> least we're not a bunch of hippies
[08:05] <cafuego> Chipzz: Conservative estimate, too.
[08:05] <Chipzz> EndGame: for the annoyance gentoo users cause and them making general asses out of themselves
[08:05] <TomAraya> Oh.. wtf..! Initially it was ... RH-demo.dmg.gz.. then I'm not sure what the heck happened.
[08:05] <cafuego> EndGame: What does being a happy have to do with running any kind of OS?
[08:05] <EndGame> man
[08:06] <cafuego> hippy
[08:06] <EndGame> shit
[08:06] <Chipzz> I really think gentoo is the biggest piece of crap ever invented
[08:06] <EndGame> OS's have everything to do with happiness
[08:06] <bbbman> could anyone help me install mplayer :(
[08:06] <EndGame> you know the suicide rate on windows uses
[08:06] <EndGame> its a massive majority
[08:06] <cafuego> Seriously, why would you want to want to be associated with that US Republican distro.
[08:06] <cafuego> May as well say you're texan.
[08:06] <EndGame> hey man, what the hells wrong with being a republican, HIPPIE!
[08:07] <Chipzz> EndGame: I would be a lot more happy if gentoo users would keep to themselves and their forums
[08:07] <cafuego> EndGame: Actually, I'm an anarchosyndicalist
[08:07] <EndGame> thats a big damn word
[08:07] <Chipzz> gentoo just portrays itself as "the cool distro" to newbies, who try it and get a totally wrong image of linux
[08:07] <cafuego> with lots of let-ters.
[08:07] <eyequeue> and a noble perspective
[08:07] <EndGame> shit, i would never suggest gentoo to someone thats new to linux
[08:07] <EndGame> big mistake
[08:08] <EndGame> ubuntu is probly great for new linux users
[08:08] <cafuego> And experienced users know better.
[08:08] <cafuego> So why the hell are there people that use it? ;-)
[08:08] <Chipzz> newbies thinking they learn something by installing gentoo, but who are actually just copying commands from a manual without understanding what they do
[08:08] <eyequeue> EndGame:  i know one that thinks so, yes
[08:08] <EndGame> i dunno, i guess they want to fell like they accomplished something with linux
[08:09] <EndGame> not just popped a cd in and ran through an ncurses installation program
[08:09] <cafuego> EndGame: They *didn't* accomplish anything, though.
[08:09] <cafuego> EndGame: They just spent 6 hours doing they could have done in 20 minutes.
[08:10] <tims> anyone have plone running on hoary?
[08:10] <Chipzz> EndGame: gentoo only has 2 valid uses from my POV: 1) as a fancy buildscript replacing something like jhbuild for developers 2) for *BSD addicts who happen to have hardware that *BSD doesn't support, and who like to use a similar system
[08:10] <EndGame> Chipzz, you've used gentoo, i assume?
[08:10] <Chipzz> I really see no other valid reasons for using gentoo. there is *BSD after all
[08:11] <EndGame> im actually looking at giving freebsd a try
[08:11] <Chipzz> EndGame: I've had a lot of negative experience trying to help out newbies who shot themselves in the foot
[08:11] <cafuego> Chipzz: MacOS X also has a 'useless gui install' though.
[08:11] <FAST> whats the command to get the PID of a program thats running
[08:11] <EndGame> so point them to ubuntu, and make them feel like they can use linux
[08:11] <EndGame> FAST: ps -A
[08:12] <EndGame> ps -A|grep <something or other>
[08:12] <Chipzz> EndGame: for some reason hey insist on using gentoo because tghey think it is cool and will make their pc's 200% faster
[08:12] <FAST> thanks
[08:12] <EndGame> gentoo is cool!
[08:12] <FAST> had to kill xmmms, and tried open it again but wouldn't launch. worked after killing it first
[08:12] <EndGame> i dunno about faster though
[08:12] <EndGame> i mean, i guess if you play your cards right
[08:13] <cafuego> EndGame: How is 'emerge foo' cooler than 'apt-get -b source foo' ?
[08:13] <EndGame> but bitches that are all about some optimization are like people that rice out shitty cars
[08:13] <EndGame> shit
[08:13] <EndGame> i wish i had apt-get
[08:13] <EndGame> for a POS computer, binary packages are the way to go
[08:13] <cafuego> EndGame: I don't have a POS computer, yet I have no urge to compile everything.
[08:13] <EndGame> gentoo is just where i landed, it fits me like a glove, im trying to spread the love.
[08:14] <EndGame> whatever pulls your trigger, man
[08:14] <Chipzz> EndGame: I made my debian unstable install start gnome more than twice as fast, not by recompiling anything at all, but by tweaking my X configuration
[08:14] <FAST> for some reason my primary sound device is not working. is there any way to find out why? or to restart it or soemthing>?
[08:14] <cafuego> FAST: Check the mixer settings.
[08:15] <EndGame> is your soundcard compiled into your kernel, are you sure you have the module loaded
[08:15] <EndGame> lsmod
[08:15] <eyequeue> EndGame:  how do you feel when door-to-door evangelists ring your doorbell?
[08:15] <EndGame> i think its lsmod
[08:15] <EndGame> born again!
[08:15] <FAST> well they both worked after first installing ubuntu.  one of them is integrated. one is a pci card. currently, the pci card is working fine.  i trie to change sound output from oss in xmms to go to integrated card, but it froze
[08:15] <eyequeue> EndGame:  similar with "spread the love" in other channels, imo
[08:16] <EndGame> see, its the mark of a truely great mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it
[08:16] <EndGame> shit, im up in here, i poke fun at you guys, call you hippies, but i see alot of hope in your distro
[08:16] <EndGame> ive helped people in here
[08:16] <cafuego> EndGame: Entertaining an idea isn't the same as having someone yell their ideas at you all day.
[08:16] <EndGame> i put a word in about gentoo here or there
[08:16] <EndGame> and all i get is hate
[08:16] <eyequeue> EndGame:  hippie is a compliment btw
[08:16] <Quarupt> lol
[08:16] <cafuego> EndGame: That's because of the channel name. Did you notice it?
[08:17] <EndGame> yeah
[08:17] <Quarupt> Yea they really dont like Gentoo in here
[08:17] <EndGame> really, or just any distro?
[08:17] <Quarupt> There all about .deb and dpkg
[08:17] <FAST> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_au8820,snd_intel8x0
[08:17] <Chipzz> EndGame: there's one thing I keep wondering about - despite the fact that *BSD and Gentoo are so similar, *BSD users seem a lot more informed... How do you explain that?
[08:17] <Quarupt> they hate building anything
[08:17] <OrangeSlice> mmm dpkg
[08:17] <cafuego> Disliking gentoo is personal preference. Topicality is not.
[08:17] <FAST> snd_pcm                85540  4 snd_au8820,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[08:17] <FAST> snd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[08:17] <FAST> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  2 snd_au8820,snd_intel8x0
[08:18] <eyequeue> EndGame:  i wouldn't recommend proselitizing mandrake in here either, nor suse in #fedora
[08:18] <EndGame> man Chipzz, why you knockin a playa's hustle
[08:18] <Chipzz> EndGame: that was actually a serious question
[08:19] <EndGame> about the bsd users
[08:19] <EndGame> i dunno
[08:19] <EndGame> if i ran bsd and came back, would you get off my case
[08:19] <Chipzz> I don't see any freebsd users at all asking stupid question in the newsgroups I follow
[08:19] <Chipzz> there are a shitload of gentoo users who do though
[08:19] <EndGame> shit, you dont see me askin some of the shit ive seen in here
[08:19] <EndGame> i help though
[08:19] <EndGame> we all start somewhere
[08:20] <rj-> kernel-image-2.6-686:
[08:20] <rj->  Depends: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686  but it is not installable
[08:20] <rj-> what the hell is going on :/
[08:20] <FAST> there really needs to be some gui programs to allow users to view/control what hardware is connected to their computer
[08:21] <EndGame> lspci works like a charm, FAST
[08:21] <rj-> I have kernel-image-2.6-386
[08:21] <Chipzz> EndGame: there's a lot of other arguments I could make against gentoo to, but they also apply to *BSD (in theory)
[08:21] <eyequeue> FAST:  why limit it to gui?  you have a terminal, heh
[08:21] <Chipzz> in practice *BSD doesn't *have* any of those problems though
[08:22] <FAST> i'm not interested in using a terminal, having to man <prog> to find info about them. i want buttons and info i can get about the program via the gui
[08:22] <eyequeue> rj-:  ubuntu prefers linux-* over kernel-* from debian
[08:22] <_4strO> http://frenzy.org.ua/eng/
[08:23] <eyequeue> FAST:  oh well, write something i guess, it's open source
[08:23] <EndGame> arguments man, whats the use? so your dad can beat up my dad. i suggest gentoo, help some people in here, and you go off on me
[08:23] <Chipzz> I go off on gentoo, not on you personnally
[08:23] <EndGame> ah
[08:23] <EndGame> good to know :-)
[08:24] <Chipzz> it's just that the majority of the gentoo users I meet (not you) pisses the hell out of me
[08:24] <EndGame> ah
[08:24] <EndGame> well, its been fun
[08:24] <EndGame> i gotta wrap it up
[08:24] <Quarupt> Bye
[08:24] <Chipzz> me too
[08:24] <EndGame> ive got a busy day of sleeping to do tomorrow
[08:24] <Chipzz> should get some sleep
[08:24] <rj-> eyequeue: thank's i will give it a go.
[08:25] <eyequeue> rj-:  np
[08:25] <EndGame> see you guys tomorrw, say hippie time, same hippie place
[08:25] <Chipzz> EndGame: good night :)
[08:25] <Greg_> has anyone set up the ndiswrapper under ubuntu?
[08:25] <TomAraya> Greg_, I have.
[08:26] <Greg_> would you mind answering a few questions for a minute?
[08:26] <TomAraya> I'll do what I can.
[08:26] <Greg_> hehe, thanks
[08:26] <Greg_> i'm at a pretty early step
[08:26] <tims> I tried to install Gentoo once...
[08:26] <Zanz> hello, didn't realize it logged in already
[08:26] <Zanz> who's up for a question or a few?
[08:27] <Greg_> a guide i read said it needs to make sure there's a link to the source in the modules directory:
[08:27] <tims> But then I thought, why?
[08:27] <Greg_> for /lib/modules/VERSION/build
[08:27] <Greg_> it's not there when I installed the base system, and I don't know the path for the source to make the link
[08:27] <Greg_> the page i read had said it should be in /usr/src/linux-<version>
[08:27] <Greg_> but the only folder in /usr/src/ is rpm
[08:27] <eyequeue> Zanz:  ask and see
[08:28] <TomAraya> Yeah.. /usr/src/linux-headers-version
[08:28] <Greg_> but there's nothing in /usr/src...
[08:28] <Greg_> there's an rpm folder
[08:28] <Greg_> that has other empty folders:
[08:28] <TomAraya> Heh. I don't know what to say, I actually never made a shortcut to the kernel headers, mainly as I don't really understand what I'm doing.
[08:28] <Greg_> BUILD, etc
[08:28] <Greg_> hahah, oh
[08:29] <Zanz> er...nevermind...maybe
[08:29] <TomAraya> After I installed GCC, respective headers and restricted modules, and installed NDIS wrapper it worked.
[08:29] <Greg_> well, the linux source has to be on there somewhere, right?
[08:30] <Greg_> or do i have to copy that from the ubuntu cd?
[08:30] <Zanz> ok, what is inux-image-2.6.10-3-amd64-generic ?  is that kernel sources?
[08:30] <TomAraya> You got me.
[08:30] <TomAraya> Sorry.
[08:30] <kagou> hi
[08:30] <eyequeue> Greg_:  did you "sudo apt-get install linux-source-*" at all?
[08:30] <Greg_> i think that'd be the source Zanz
[08:30] <Greg_> no, i didn't
[08:30] <Zanz> wha'ts the 'image' bit mean?
[08:31] <raghu> Greg_: how did you installl at first time
[08:31] <Greg_> i'm dual booting w/ windows XP
[08:31] <eyequeue> Greg_:  Zanz: no, that's not the source, that is a compiled kernel image
[08:31] <Greg_> so i set up the partitions, installed XP, then just installed ubuntu from an ix86 install cd
[08:31] <raghu> Greg_: you should have /usr/src/rpm .......inside that BUILD    RPMS     SOURCES  SPECS    SRPMS
[08:32] <Greg_> yea
[08:32] <Greg_> that's all i see in there
[08:32] <Zanz> is the kernel source on the cd?
[08:32] <eyequeue> Greg_:  "sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1" should get you a tarball to unpack, in /usr/src/
[08:32] <Zanz-v-2> said the other nickname was owned
[08:32] <BockBilbo> helo
[08:33] <eyequeue> Greg_:  if that's what you want
[08:33] <Greg_> does that apt-get command connect somewhere online?
[08:33] <bbbman> if i run the dist-upgrade in Synaptic, doesnt it automaticlly install linux 2.6?
[08:33] <Zanz-v-2> eyequeue, would the command be any different if i have an amd 64?
[08:33] <Greg_> or does it just put the source tarball in the directory?
[08:33] <BockBilbo> im about to buy an external 160GB HD
[08:34] <eyequeue> Zanz-v-2:  the source is the same, the image is the one that differs
[08:34] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me if it will be hard to install it in ubuntu?
[08:34] <Zanz-v-2> i think apt get can be set up to get packages from any source, but generally it gets them online
[08:34] <BockBilbo> (using usb(
[08:34] <BockBilbo> )
[08:34] <Greg_> well i'm not connected to the internet when booted in ubuntu
[08:34] <Greg_> 'cause the wireless isn't set up, so would that command not work for me eyequeue?
[08:35] <BockBilbo> greg
[08:35] <eyequeue> Greg_:  your apt-get is probably configured to ask you for the cd in that case
[08:35] <Zanz-v-2> oh...hehe i'm doign the same thign greg is i think, i'm trying to get the source so i cna install a module for my wireless
[08:35] <BockBilbo> why dont you configure apt to be able to get stuff from the net?
[08:35] <BockBilbo> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:35] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  they need their wlan supported first
[08:35] <Zanz-v-2> coz me and greg odn't have internet on the linux box
[08:35] <BockBilbo> and uncoment the
[08:36] <BockBilbo> mm
[08:36] <BockBilbo> iwconfig
[08:36] <Zanz-v-2> i actually ran a calbe out to my router, it's hanging about neck high throug the hallway now...ehhe
[08:36] <BockBilbo> Zanz-v-2, write iwconfig
[08:36] <Zanz-v-2> we dont' have the drivers for our wirless bock, have to install taht first
[08:36] <BockBilbo> wow
[08:36] <Zanz-v-2> and to compile drivers we need kernel sources to complie against
[08:36] <BockBilbo> is your wireless card supported in ubuntu?
[08:37] <Zanz-v-2> not right away, the 'device manager' does'nt even recognize that i have a wireless device in the machine
[08:37] <BockBilbo> :S
[08:37] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:37] <Zanz-v-2> any card will be supported once you get drivers
[08:37] <Zanz-v-2> but tha'ts the painful part
[08:37] <BockBilbo> if there are drivers!
[08:37] <BockBilbo> lol
[08:37] <BockBilbo> i bought a card yesterday... and it didnt work
[08:37] <BockBilbo> :S
[08:37] <Zanz-v-2> not to hog the scroll
[08:38] <Greg_> so eyequeue, if i put in the cd, and run: apt-get install linux-source-<version #>
[08:38] <eyequeue> Zanz-v-2:  get that source pacakge while you have the wire up
[08:38] <Greg_> it'll copy the tarball from the cd?
[08:38] <eyequeue> Greg_:  right
[08:38] <Zanz-v-2> wireless is linux's main weakness right now
[08:38] <Greg_> ok cool, well i'll give that a try
[08:38] <Zanz-v-2> but i give it half a year before drivers come in every distro
[08:38] <Greg_> and come back if i don't get it
[08:38] <eyequeue> Greg_:  that's what i'd recommend, that's if the source package is actually on the cd, which i cn't confirm at this moment
[08:38] <Zanz-v-2> so far, i'm liking ubunto tho
[08:39] <Zanz-v-2> Source package: linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-24).  is that what i want? even for amd64?
[08:39] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, is it possible to mount an external HD using usb ?
[08:39] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  in linux?  yes, i recall reading about it in 'make menuconfig" (kernel) ... have i ever done it, no
[08:40] <eyequeue> Zanz-v-2:  yes
[08:40] <BockBilbo> but, initially there will be no problem with it
[08:40] <BockBilbo> right?
[08:40] <BockBilbo> perhaps.. will i be able to mount it mounting sda1?
[08:40] <eyequeue> Zanz-v-2:  after you *build* a kernel, the linux-image-2-6-10* will have i386 or amd64 or whatever in the name
[08:41] <jdouchemann> hello
[08:41] <Zanz-v-2> ok, so the source is the same for either tho?
[08:41] <BockBilbo> Zanz-v-2, yes
[08:41] <jdouchemann> quick question.  for whatever reason, firefox decided to downgrade itself from 1.something to 0.9
[08:42] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  i've never owned one, so not learned much about them.  yes, sda1 would be a reasonable thing to try, especially if you think it's seen as scsi
[08:42] <BockBilbo> the difference B/W the amd64 and the i386 is the machine where they have been compiled
[08:42] <BockBilbo> mmm
[08:42] <BockBilbo> oks
[08:42] <BockBilbo> interesting....
[08:42] <eyequeue> Zanz-v-2:  source code is just text really
[08:42] <BockBilbo> so...
[08:42] <Zanz-v-2>  ok
[08:42] <BockBilbo> i guess ill buy it
[08:42] <eyequeue> Zanz-v-2:  it's on;y compiled binaries that differ
[08:43] <BockBilbo> thanks eyequeue
[08:43] <Zanz-v-2> my usb thumbdrive always showed up as a scsi drive
[08:43] <Zanz-v-2> both of 'em actually
[08:43] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  np, good luck
[08:43] <BockBilbo> :D
[08:43] <BockBilbo> thanks to you too Zanz-v-2 :)
[08:43] <BockBilbo> good luck w/ your wireless card
[08:43] <BockBilbo> ;)
[08:43] <BockBilbo> i have to go now to college
[08:44] <BockBilbo> bye!
[08:44] <eyequeue> and i to sleep
[08:44] <TomAraya> How do I install Quicktime? I don't see it in Synaptic
[08:45] <bbbman> TomAraya:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[08:45] <bbbman> install mplayer
[08:45] <bbbman> it has support for Quicktime
[08:45] <jdouchemann> does anyone have any idea why my firefox downgraded itself from 1.something to 0.9?
[08:45] <bbbman> TomAraya: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[08:46] <jdouchemann> or did that happen to everyone?
[08:46] <bbbman> i think it happend to everyone
[08:46] <Zanz-v-2> when you went to hoary?
[08:46] <bbbman> at lest to me
[08:46] <jdouchemann> that'd kind of annoying
[08:46] <bbbman> im on worty.
[08:46] <Zanz-v-2> oh, ok
[08:46] <Zanz-v-2> never mind then
[08:46] <jdouchemann> yeah me too
[08:47] <jdouchemann> alright thanks
[08:48] <TomAraya> bbbman, I'll try that again, thanks.
[08:49] <TomAraya> Is there a way to get .WMV files to play in Firefox like how they did in Internet Explorer?
[08:50] <bbbman> TomAraya, well those directiorns seem to work perfectly for me. Execpt I had to change the wget location to those on the mplayer website
[08:51] <bbbman> Yes there is, at least I believe. You need to configure the firefox mplayer plugin
[08:51] <Zanz-2> ok...if i have an ra2500 wireless card, and my device manager shows an ra2500 wirless device, does that mean the driver is installed?
[08:51] <bbbman> Im actually about to start right now, so I'll give you a link
[08:52] <Zanz-2> also, the 'device type' and 'capabilities' field say 'unknown'
[08:55] <bbbman> im not sure zanz
[08:55] <Zanz-2> ok
[08:55] <bbbman> im not too knowledgeable about that
[08:55] <Zanz-2> some other devices have those fields filled in, so im guessing no driver
[08:56] <K-Rich> i've decided linux sucks
[08:57] <K-Rich> i got my system setup how i want now nothing will breaks so i've nothing to do :/
[08:57] <Zanz-2> hehe
[08:57] <K-Rich> too productive for me :P
[08:57] <Zanz-2> yeah, all that extra time...and i exhausted internet porn
[08:58] <K-Rich> same here, i think i even ended with repetative motio... nm not going there
[08:58] <Zanz-2> heh
[08:58] <crimsun> you could always do something crazy like get ubuntu working on alpha :-)
[08:58] <K-Rich> crimsun: sure... gonna send me an alpha ?
[08:59] <crimsun> sure, got one lying around right here.
[08:59] <K-Rich> i could always go up to hoary too
[08:59] <K-Rich> warty is perfect right now on here
[08:59] <crimsun> warty is nice. hoary is gonna blow it away. ;-)
[08:59] <K-Rich> crimsun: i dunno, will the menu issue get fixed?
[08:59] <Zanz-2> hoary seems nice so far....except i'm having wicked troubles with my wireless
[09:00] <crimsun> K-Rich: which menu issue?
[09:00] <K-Rich> crimsun: having to take the long way to change them (adding stuff, removing stuff etc)
[09:01] <crimsun> K-Rich: if you mean editing the menu, no, I don't believe there's an "easy" way like warty's applications:///
[09:01] <K-Rich> last time i tried i had to <gasp> edit files by hand </gasp>
[09:01] <K-Rich> crimsun: i don't even use that, i just right click and add from there
[09:01] <K-Rich> crimsun: that's a major issue imho
[09:02] <K-Rich> unless all the packages add themselves to the menu (say hydrogen for instance, avidemux as well)
[09:02] <Zanz-2> i spent a week with mandrake 10.0 trying to get my wierless thing working before i realized the driver was installed all along and all i had to do was use a few console commands to make it go
[09:02] <bwlang> i'v just upgrade from debian to ubuntu... and have a few problems to work out...
[09:02] <bwlang> how can i change the x cursor to something better than the old school arrow and clock?
[09:03] <crimsun> K-Rich: I presume the majority of those applications are in 'universe'.
[09:03] <K-Rich> crimsun: yeah, but still, be nice to be able to add them to the menu :/
[09:03] <Greg_> is eyequeue still here?
[09:03] <Quarupt> what repository can i get mplayer from?
[09:04] <crimsun> K-Rich: if you have lots of time over the next day, grab some applications from universe and shove .desktop files into them ;-)
[09:04] <crimsun> Quarupt: for warty or hoary?
[09:04] <K-Rich> bwlang: i've wondered that myself, there was an app i seen on gnome-files.org that was suppost to allow that easily though let me look for you.
[09:04] <Quarupt> Warty
[09:04] <crimsun> Quarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:04] <Quarupt> is there something I can run to chnage my build from Warty to Horay?
[09:04] <Greg_> is it possible to get the linux-source w/o being connected to the internet, if i have the ubuntu cd?
[09:05] <crimsun> Greg_: apt-cache policy linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:05] <K-Rich> crimsun: i noticed your repository was down a while the other day... system update?
[09:05] <Greg_> i do that w/ the cd inserted crimsun?
[09:05] <crimsun> K-Rich: it's not my box; /var is on a raid, and one of the drives died.
[09:05] <K-Rich> eww
[09:05] <K-Rich> back up now though :)
[09:06] <crimsun> yes, thanks to my illustrious friend, Primer
[09:06] <crimsun> Greg_: yup
[09:06] <Quarupt> crimsun, that site says how to play wmv, but now where to get the actual application mplayer
[09:06] <crimsun> Greg_: although it's not required as long as you have a recent cache
[09:06] <Greg_> thanks, i'll give it a shot
[09:07] <Greg_> ?
[09:07] <crimsun> Quarupt: sure it does. Read the repositories info carefully.
[09:07] <K-Rich> bwlang: http://www.gnomefiles.com/app.php?soft_id=125
[09:07] <crimsun> Greg_: as long as you ran apt-get update recently, you don't necessarily need the CD inserted to pull policy info
[09:07] <Greg_> i need the source locally, so i can make a link to it and use the ndiswrapper to setup my wireless network card on ubuntu
[09:07] <Greg_> oh
[09:07] <Greg_> i don't want policy info, i want the source
[09:07] <crimsun> Greg_: you will need the CD inserted, of course, to retrieve and to install the actual -source package
[09:08] <Greg_> what do i type to get the source from the cd?
[09:08] <Quarupt> Oh i se it
[09:08] <Quarupt> thanks
[09:08] <Zanz-2> rpms don't do much good for ubuntu to they?
[09:08] <Quarupt> So can i upgrade my build to Horay, or do i need to reinstall completely?
[09:08] <K-Rich> with alien they do
[09:09] <Greg_> the step i'm at for the ndiswrapper is      create a link to the source by doing:      ln -s /usr/src/linux-<kernel version> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/build
[09:09] <K-Rich> Quarupt: yes you can... one sec for url
[09:09] <Greg_> but my /usr/src folder only has rpms in it crimsun, so you're saying if i cd into /usr/src
[09:09] <Quarupt> thx
[09:09] <Greg_> and type apt-cache policy linux-source-2.6.8.1 it'll get the source and put it in /usr/src?
[09:10] <crimsun> Greg_: sudo aptitude install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:10] <pere> Hi. What is the best program to use for listening to net radio?
[09:10] <crimsun> Greg_: though if you need to compile external headers, you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential
[09:10] <membreya_> pere: Music Player
[09:10] <K-Rich> Quarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[09:10] <crimsun> Greg_: compile external kernel modules, rather
[09:10] <Quarupt> Thanx
[09:11] <K-Rich> np
[09:11] <Greg_> hmm
[09:11] <TomAraya> bbbman, are you still around?
[09:11] <Quarupt> CAn i change firefox, so that when a link needs to open a new window, it opens another tab instead of another instance of firefox?
[09:11] <Zanz-2> can you get wirless modules with apt get?
[09:11] <K-Rich> Zanz-2: alien <rpm-package> = conver to deb
[09:11] <TomAraya> I was going through the mplayer installation you sent me, but when I get to the last apt-get this happens
[09:11] <TomAraya> david@kalakat:~ $ sudo apt-get install libpng-dev
[09:11] <TomAraya> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:11] <TomAraya> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:11] <TomAraya> Package libpng-dev is a virtual package provided by:
[09:11] <TomAraya>   libpng12-dev 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1
[09:11] <TomAraya> You should explicitly select one to install.
[09:11] <TomAraya> E: Package libpng-dev has no installation candidate
[09:11] <crimsun> Zanz-2: some, yes: linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[09:12] <K-Rich> Quarupt: under the advanced options
[09:12] <crimsun> TomAraya: (you need to install libpng12-dev)
[09:12] <Zanz-2> does that give me a list?
[09:12] <Zanz-2> console is busy installing sources
[09:12] <membreya_> Quarupt: go to Edit > Preferences > Advanced and go to the tabbed browsing option
[09:12] <membreya_> select "a new tab in the most recent window"
[09:12] <crimsun> Zanz-2: there's info on the wiki regarding which wireless chipsets are supported
[09:12] <TomAraya> crimsun, sudo apt-get install libpng12-dev ?
[09:13] <Zanz-2> is there infor for hoary?
[09:13] <crimsun> TomAraya: sure
[09:13] <pere> membreya_: Thanks a lot. It is even working directly...:-) BTW: Is there a way of bulk adding radio stations, or do you add them one by one?
[09:13] <K-Rich> Quarupt: Edit>Preferences>Advanced Tabbed Browsing
[09:13] <maj> i'm trying the live cd and can't get shoutcast.com feeds to work
[09:13] <TomAraya> crimsun, and then try the last apt-get that failed?
[09:13] <Quarupt> Thx
[09:13] <membreya_> pere: haven't tried that much yet
[09:14] <Quarupt> K-Rich, Im sorry but i dont understand that page, you linked for me, all i have to do is change my sources and the do apt-get update and apr-get upgrade?
[09:14] <K-Rich> Quarupt: basiclly yeah
[09:14] <crimsun> TomAraya: no need, libpng12-dev provides what you need
[09:14] <K-Rich> Quarupt: i persoinally still run warty though
[09:14] <TomAraya> crimsun, OK.
[09:15] <TomAraya> It didn't work anyway after I tried it again.
[09:15] <Quarupt> i duont understand what it means "To install Hoary, you may edit your /etc/apt/sources.list configuration file to replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary.' You can then go aboutupdating and upgrading to Hoary with apt, aptitude or synaptic as you would normally".
[09:16] <crimsun> Quarupt: replace all instances of the string "warty" with "hoary"
[09:16] <Quarupt> just do a find and replace "Warty" to "Horay"
[09:16] <Quarupt> ?
[09:16] <Quarupt> in that file?
[09:16] <pere> membreya_: OK. No big deal... I got some music for my work here without starting to download mp3's, and that is what is improtant. Thanks.
[09:16] <crimsun> yes
[09:16] <Quarupt> okay
[09:16] <crimsun> TomAraya: error->#flood
[09:16] <Quarupt> lets give it a try
[09:16] <Zanz-2> there is also a url to download hoary iso's
[09:16] <Zanz-2> but i forgot it
[09:16] <K-Rich> Quarupt: then 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[09:17] <michel> Hi everyone !
[09:17] <K-Rich> hi
[09:18] <michel> i'm searching for a good P2P program for Ubuntu
[09:18] <johnnybezak> michel: use giFT
[09:18] <johnnybezak> michel: gift.sourceforge.net
[09:19] <Quarupt> K-Rich, can i PM you, cause i dont think i did it right
[09:19] <Zanz-2> any tv tuner programs?
[09:19] <OrangeSlice> should be a few of those
[09:19] <johnnybezak> michel: you can get the gift daemon, and gnutella and openft plugins from synaptic
[09:19] <OrangeSlice> search freshmeat.net
[09:19] <Quarupt> i did find and replace in that file and it found 7 occurances and replaced them, then i did apt-get update, and it had tons of errors
[09:19] <K-Rich> Quarupt: sure
[09:19] <TomAraya> When I try to use http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 to install mplayer, I get 404 errors when I use the wget commands.
[09:19] <membreya_> Zanz-2: I use tvtime..but you can also use mythtv
[09:19] <johnnybezak> michel: you'll have to get the fasttrack (kazaa) plugin off the web
[09:19] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: the codecs have been updated, so the address is wrong
[09:20] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: go to the mplayerhq homepage and download them manually
[09:20] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: it wont affect the rest of the how to
[09:20] <Greg> hey crimsun, that didn't work
[09:20] <crimsun> Greg: which part?
[09:20] <michel> thanks a lot Johnny
[09:20] <Greg> i don't know if i specified before though, that when booted in ubuntu, i'm not connected to the internet
[09:21] <Greg> i did sudo aptitude install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:21] <maj> is there a list of ubuntu apt-repositories ?
[09:21] <Greg> and it went through the steps w/o error, but said there were 0 updates to install, so it pretty much did nothing
[09:21] <johnnybezak> michel: no probs
[09:21] <michel> have a good day
[09:22] <michel> bye
[09:22] <Greg> crimsun: i found on the ubuntu cd the source header files, i think in   pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:22] <crimsun> Greg: what are you trying to do?
[09:22] <Greg> there are 2 header files and one image file
[09:22] <Greg> i'm trying to install the ndiswrapper so i can setup my wireless network card under ubuntu
[09:23] <Greg> i'm dual booting, so i'm running XP right now
[09:23] <Zanz-2> what card?
[09:23] <Greg> one that's in the list
[09:23] <Greg> Netgear WG311
[09:23] <Pick> hello
[09:23] <bbbman> TomAraya, Once you get everything configured with mplayer, goto http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4098&postcount=12
[09:23] <bbbman> that will explain how to get it to run in mozilla seemlessley
[09:23] <Greg> the first step in the process was to go into the ndiswrapper folder, and type make
[09:23] <Noob1> i am extremely new to linux
[09:23] <crimsun> Greg: you shouldn't need to compile anything...
[09:24] <membreya_> Greg: if you're running hoary you wouldn't have a problem with WG311
[09:24] <Noob1> i need help starting the think
[09:24] <crimsun> Greg: just install ndiswrapper-utils
[09:24] <Greg> but when it does that it's looking for /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/build
[09:24] <Noob1> i have just installed ubuntu
[09:24] <Noob1> and now i am in a command prompt
[09:24] <bbbman> whats your problem noobl
[09:24] <Noob1> and am stuck
[09:24] <bbbman> get to a prompt
[09:24] <johnnybezak> Noob1: what does the prompt say
[09:24] <bbbman> and type startx to bring up xwindows
[09:24] <Greg> so what do i type to install jus the wrapper-utils crimsun?
[09:25] <Noob1> name@ubuntu ~ @
[09:25] <Noob1> name@ubuntu ~ $
[09:25] <johnnybezak> type startx
[09:25] <Noob1> does not work?
[09:25] <johnnybezak> what does it say?
[09:25] <Zanz-2> download the packages in windows tho greg, if you don't have an internet connection apt get won't be able to find anything
[09:25] <Noob1> command not found
[09:25] <Noob1> :(
[09:25] <johnnybezak> hmmm
[09:25] <Noob1> i just installed it
[09:25] <Noob1> then i restart
[09:25] <Noob1> and i login
[09:25] <Greg> yea, i have the ndiswrapper and the windows drivers for the card on the ubuntu partition Zanz-2
[09:25] <johnnybezak> try this
[09:26] <Noob1> and enter password
[09:26] <crimsun> Greg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:26] <johnnybezak> /usr/bin/X11/startx
[09:26] <Noob1> then i am stuck
[09:26] <Noob1> kk sec
[09:26] <bbbman> what happens when it boots up? are you in a windows enviroment
[09:26] <johnnybezak> type what i just wrote
[09:26] <johnnybezak> bbbman: i dont think he is
[09:26] <Greg> yea, i've read that crimsun
[09:26] <bbbman> :(
[09:26] <bbbman> hey guys, when i goto dist-upgrade, does it upgrade my warty to linux 2.6
[09:27] <Greg> so i don't have to type make you mean?
[09:27] <Noob1> no such file or directoyry
[09:27] <Greg> just go into the folder, and do ndiswrapper -i <the .inf file>
[09:27] <Greg> ?
[09:27] <bbbman> mabey you shuold re install ubuntu and select to install x windows? not sure
[09:27] <Noob1> i am gonna cry
[09:28] <raghu> bbbmen: which version of kernel you have?
[09:28] <Greg> even though i haven't installed the ndiswrapper-utils through the package manager, since i'm not connected to the internet in ubuntu?
[09:28] <Noob1> ran updates on ubuntu all night
[09:28] <raghu> bbbmen: #uname -a
[09:28] <Noob1> does anyone else know how to start linux?
[09:28] <membreya_> Noob1: dial up? :P
[09:28] <crimsun> Greg: if you've installed the package, then continue with the howto
[09:28] <Noob1> sentech
[09:29] <Greg> i'm saying i didn't install the package in ubuntu
[09:29] <Greg> i downloaded the source for the package under windows
[09:29] <Greg> then just put it on a disk, and copied it over when booted in ubuntu
[09:29] <bbbman> Linux Box 2.6.8.1-3-386
[09:29] <Greg> so don't i still have to do make and make install first before i can run ndiswrapper ?
[09:29] <Greg> when i do the make step, that's when it looks for the /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build
[09:30] <Noob1> does ur ubuntu go straight in
[09:30] <bbbman> raghu, nevermind :) so warty comes with 2.4, but i have upgraded it to 2.6 already without rebooting through synaptic?
[09:30] <bbbman> or does warty come with 2.6
[09:30] <crimsun> Greg: no, you don't need to. That's what I'm saying. Ubuntu includes those kernel modules already.
[09:30] <Noob1> or do u have to type something to get in?
[09:30] <crimsun> bbbman: (warty comes with 2.6.8.1)
[09:30] <Greg> ok, so crimsun, you mean just go in and type ndiswrapper in the folder?
[09:30] <Greg> to run it and install the files
[09:30] <Greg> ?
[09:31] <crimsun> Greg: if you've already installed the ndiswrapper-utils package, yes
[09:31] <crimsun> Greg: just follow the instructions on that howto
[09:31] <Noob1> :(
[09:31] <Greg> i know, i think you missed something i said
[09:31] <Greg> i didn't actually INSTALL the package
[09:31] <Greg> i just copied the source file
[09:31] <Greg> i never typed make install or anything like that
[09:32] <johnnybezak> Noob1: type whereis startx and tell me what it says
[09:32] <crimsun> Greg: on the cd, look in pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[09:32] <Greg> oh
[09:32] <Greg> i didn't realize that was on the cd
[09:32] <Greg> *slaps head*
[09:32] <Noob1> does not work
[09:32] <Greg> thanks, i'll giv eit a shot
[09:32] <johnnybezak> Noob1: what does it say?
[09:32] <Noob1> command not found
[09:33] <johnnybezak> type cd /usr/bin/X11
[09:33] <Noob1> -bash: startx : command not found
[09:33] <johnnybezak> then type ls
[09:33] <johnnybezak> haha no Noob1: type "whereis startx"
[09:33] <Noob1> no usr directory ?
[09:33] <welly> Hello all.. just a quick question regarding open source, if someone has a minute and doesn't mind an off topic question! someone is making the argument that making the source code available for software, browsers for example, makes it open to security risks.. i kind of understand the argument against but can't quite put it into words
[09:34] <raghu> Noob1: type sudo startx
[09:34] <johnnybezak> welly: open source means people check the code and can change security vulnerabilities
[09:34] <crimsun> welly: are you looking at the pros or the cons of having the source freely and publicly available?
[09:34] <Zanz-2> actually for the most part it helps security holes get patched faster
[09:34] <Noob1> it asks for password
[09:34] <johnnybezak> type your password
[09:34] <bbbman> well welly, open source allows people to look over the source and find any bugs or exploits, while closed source means obviously less people will be able to check it
[09:34] <raghu> type that user password you logged in
[09:35] <Zanz-2> see, evil nasty hackers will find security holes in both closed source and open source...with open source, non evil nasty hackers are able to find them as well
[09:35] <welly> sorry back again.. yeah, looking for the pros and cons really.. or pro's even
[09:35] <crimsun> welly: as johnnybezak and Zanz-2 have both stated, having the source available corresponds to security-savvy open source programmers patching the vulnerabilities much faster
[09:35] <TomAraya> johnnybezak, bbbman, thank-you.
[09:35] <Noob1> command not found
[09:35] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: no worries
[09:35] <raghu> Noob1: what command?
[09:35] <Zanz-2> the bad guys will always be able to find the holes, good guys might as well be able to also
[09:35] <welly> this guy is making the argument that if the source code is available for firefox then a potential hacker can see how the security for say ssl is implemented and use that to their advantage
[09:35] <Noob1> startx
[09:36] <johnnybezak> Noob1: type "whereis startx"
[09:36] <Zanz-2> he could do taht with closed source also, you can decompile and reverse engineer software, it's illegal in the US i beleive
[09:36] <Noob1> it does nothing
[09:36] <membreya_> pere: still around??
[09:36] <Zanz-2> but if you're hacking malignatly, you'll do it anyways
[09:36] <Noob1> jsut says startx:
[09:36] <johnnybezak> type ls /usr/bin/X11
[09:37] <raghu> Noob1: apt-get install xbase-clients
[09:37] <Noob1> NO such file or directory
[09:37] <johnnybezak> Noob1: do what raghu just said that will install the graphical system for you
[09:37] <raghu> Noob1: hah install apt-get install x-window-system
[09:37] <Noob1> how ?
[09:37] <Noob1> i am so new to this
[09:38] <raghu> Noob1: apt-get install x-window-system
[09:38] <crimsun> welly: well, to be pedantic toward the guy with whom you're conversing, firefox relies on external (system) libssl
[09:38] <raghu> Noob1: then
[09:38] <raghu> Noob1: apt-get install gnome
[09:38] <raghu> Noob1: how did you installed ubuntu
[09:38] <raghu> Noob1: how did you installed ubuntu?
[09:38] <Noob1> from cd?
[09:39] <Noob1> INvalid operation install
[09:39] <raghu> Noob1: i think while installing you ahve chosen install package from internet
[09:39] <Noob1> have i done something wrong
[09:39] <Noob1> it did it by itelf
[09:39] <Noob1> must i reinstall?
[09:39] <raghu> Noob1: yes...better
[09:40] <Noob1> ok
[09:40] <johnnybezak> it won't take long
[09:40] <Noob1> thanks alot for ur help
[09:40] <johnnybezak> :)
[09:40] <raghu> Noob1: it will ask for download package from internet say no to it
[09:40] <johnnybezak> Noob1: dont worry you'll get through it :)
[09:40] <Noob1> thanks
[09:40] <Noob1> reinstalling now
[09:40] <Noob1> kk
[09:40] <warty> blje cuuaks pipeles taadi nahuj man mbr nopisaas deelj juusu debilaasdistras???
[09:40] <raghu> Noob1: all the best ..go ahead
[09:41] <Zanz-2> does hoary have a partition manager?
[09:41] <Noob1> i might have an older version of ubuntu
[09:41] <Noob1> not syre
[09:41] <Noob1> sure
[09:41] <membreya_> Zanz-2: qpart
[09:41] <warty> ubuntu sux ;-//
[09:41] <Noob1> got it from my university
[09:41] <raghu> Noob1: applies for all
[09:41] <warty> it killed my mbr
[09:41] <HcE> There is a cow jumping on my screen :D
[09:41] <membreya_> no warty...you killed it :)
[09:41] <Zanz-2> you can't dual boot warty?
[09:41] <membreya_> lol HcE
[09:42] <warty> fck fck fck
[09:42] <membreya_> Zanz-2: course you can
[09:42] <warty> I1ll return to slackware
[09:42] <membreya_> bye then warty :P
[09:42] <johnnybezak> warty: good luck with that
[09:42] <warty> damn
[09:42] <membreya_> lol
[09:42] <Zanz-2> the warty installer has a problem with the installer, it wouldnt let me flag 2 partitions for boot
[09:42] <membreya_> Zanz-2: of course not
[09:42] <Zanz-2> someone mentioned it was a known issue
[09:42] <membreya_> only one partition can boot :|
[09:43] <johnnybezak> dam trolls :P
[09:43] <membreya_> otherwise your system would be like WTF?!
[09:43] <Zanz-2> with warty grub only recognized my linux install, the windows install never registered with it
[09:43] <membreya_> Zanz-2: that's fixed in hoary :)
[09:43] <membreya_> but you just need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst manually
[09:44] <Zanz-2> now it's installing 2.6.11 sources
[09:45] <Zanz-2> taking forever
[09:45] <Noob1> back
[09:45] <Noob1> NO root file system?
[09:45] <Noob1> please correct this from the partitioning menu
[09:46] <Zanz-2> yeah, you gotta pick a partition and make it root
[09:46] <Zanz-2> wich is just the:  /
[09:46] <Zanz-2> i have a / and a swap and /home
[09:47] <Noob1> it gives me swap m physical volume , and raid options ?
[09:47] <Zanz-2> nah, no need to mess with raid
[09:47] <neom> hehe.
[09:47] <Zanz-2> do you only have linux on that machine?  it's not sharing with windows?
[09:47] <neom> I got hula running on ubuntu tonight. :D
[09:47] <johnnybezak> Noob1: did you just accept all the defaults?
[09:47] <johnnybezak> neom: whats it like?
[09:48] <Noob1> well i have a partition for linux
[09:48] <Noob1> and swap
[09:48] <neom> johnnybezak - it's wicked cool.
[09:48] <Noob1> must it be ext3 or 2 format?
[09:48] <Zanz-2> hula?
[09:48] <Zanz-2> or reiser, but i haven't heard anything good about that (nothing bad either)
[09:48] <neom> Zanz-2 - http://www.hula-project.org/Hula_Server
[09:48] <Zanz-2> ext3 or 2 for your normal filesyste, yeah
[09:49] <johnnybezak> neom: what are you using it for?
[09:49] <johnnybezak> Noob1: use ext3
[09:49] <neom> johnnybezak - Mailserver.
[09:49] <johnnybezak> neom: web mail?
[09:49] <neom> johnnybezak - Yup.
[09:50] <Noob1> still cant set up root file system?
[09:50] <johnnybezak> neom: awesome
[09:50] <Noob1> where is the option
[09:50] <johnnybezak> is there an install guide on the wiki?
[09:50] <johnnybezak> Noob1: make the partition for linux where your root filesystem is
[09:51] <neom> johnnybezak - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2005/02/16/installing
[09:51] <neom> johnnybezak - I have a test account set up if you want to take a look around.
[09:52] <Noob1> ok hmmm
[09:52] <Zanz-2> ok: linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) didn't work
[09:52] <Noob1> #1 primary 33.5gb ntfs
[09:52] <johnnybezak> neom: nah thats ok man, i still havent set up my mta yet but am looking forward to giving it a spin
[09:52] <Noob1> #1 primary 6.1gb ext3
[09:52] <Noob1> #2 primary 6.1gb ext3 i mean
[09:52] <Noob1> #3 primary 256mb swap
[09:52] <neom> Are you trying to mount an ntfs drive to ubuntu?
[09:53] <TomAraya> Argh.. after trying to install Mplayer.. this happens when running it
[09:53] <TomAraya> mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0.4.9-pre1: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[09:53] <Noob1> trying to install ubuntu on ext3 patitiion
[09:53] <neom> oh
[09:53] <Noob1> cant create root
[09:53] <Noob1> file system
[09:53] <neom> Does it give a more spesific error?
[09:54] <Noob1> yeah
[09:54] <neom> Or just "cannot create root"?
[09:54] <Noob1> Root file system not found
[09:54] <Noob1> NO root file system is defined
[09:54] <Noob1> i have no idea hwo to cr8 one in the installer
[09:55] <Noob1> oh wait
[09:55] <Noob1> think i got it
[09:55] <Noob1> sheesh
[09:55] <Noob1> linux is so hard
[09:55] <neom> Did you create a journal on the ext3 part?
[09:55] <Noob1> i got it
[09:55] <Noob1> thanks
[09:55] <Noob1> didnt set mount point
[09:55] <Zanz-2> yeah
[09:56] <neom> lheh
[09:56] <Noob1> do u guys program in linux ?
[09:56] <Noob1> or wat do u use it for ?
[09:56] <Quarupt> lol
[09:56] <neom> heh
[09:56] <Noob1> no lol [09:56] <Noob1> nick
[09:56] <Noob1> i am noob
[09:56] <Noob1> to linux
[09:56] <Noob1> :)
[09:56] <neom> Fair enough.
[09:56] <neom> At least you are trying it.
[09:57] <Quarupt> I think its safe to say at least 80 of paid programmers arent running windows on there home machines, or at least not windows alone
[09:57] <Noob1> hey ,,, we gotta start somewhere
[09:57] <Noob1> |:)
[09:57] <Noob1> i am doing programming
[09:57] <Zanz-2> does aptget work with wild cards?
[09:57] <Noob1> but started cpp this year
[09:57] <Noob1> so wanan uses linux
[09:57] <neom> I think maybe the closest thing to coding in linux would be writing bash programs.. maybe.
[09:57] <johnnybezak> Noob1: don't worry every one starts looking at their installer going "WTF!!!"
[09:57] <Noob1> lol
[09:57] <Noob1> do u guys know cpp
[09:58] <Noob1> well?
[09:58] <Noob1> how well i mean
[09:58] <Zanz-2> nope
[09:58] <Noob1> :)
[09:58] <johnnybezak> neom: are you using hula as your MTA?
[09:58] <Zanz-2> only thing i've done is a webpage with a text editor
[09:58] <Noob1> i have to get to know gcc
[09:58] <johnnybezak> ive done bash scripting :P
[09:58] <Quarupt> gcc is just a compiler not an actuall invirmomenty
[09:58] <Quarupt> but yes get to know it
[09:58] <neom> johnnybezak yes.
[09:59] <neom> It uses nmap as the agent.
[09:59] <neom> It's a novell backend.
[09:59] <johnnybezak> neom: was it much work getting it configured?
[09:59] <Noob1> i have to make a 3d game by july for this module
[09:59] <neom> Very very little.
[09:59] <johnnybezak> neom: ok
[09:59] <Noob1> in C++
[09:59] <TomAraya> I just downloaded a game with the extension .run... what do I do to extract it? I tried to google for .RUN files but no dice...
[09:59] <Noob1> i am gonna die
[10:00] <Zanz-2> sh (filename).run?
[10:00] <johnnybezak> neom: whats it like on resources, could i install it on an old p.o.s?
[10:00] <Quarupt> TomAraya, did ya try chmod a+x then ./sh file.RUN
[10:00] <TomAraya> Quarupt, no. I will though.
[10:01] <Quarupt> :)
[10:01] <Noob1> 63% installed
[10:01] <felis> a+x will set the execute permission for everyone, which isn't needed. just do a chmod +x instead.
[10:01] <neom> .run is an amos file iirc.
[10:01] <Zanz-2> oh, java
[10:01] <Zanz-2> i think .run runs under java VM
[10:01] <Zanz-2> i found an irc client that was like that
[10:01] <Zanz-2> it sucked tho
[10:02] <neom> yup
[10:02] <Tuxicity> I moved the top GNOME panel to the left side and now I cant move it back! help...
[10:02] <TomAraya> armyops230-linux.run is the full name
[10:02] <neom> jview might run it.
[10:02] <Zanz-2> so i deleted any mention of xchat in my registry and said 'screw the trial period'
[10:03] <TomAraya> so I would type 'chmod +x ./sh armyops230-linux.run'?
[10:03] <Quarupt> no
[10:03] <neom> I don't think xing it will help anyway, tbh.
[10:03] <Zanz-2> i'm trying apt-get and getting 'invalid operation'
[10:03] <Noob1> ok guys
[10:03] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: just type sh then the filename it will work
[10:04] <TomAraya> It's some FPS game that someone said was good in a Ubuntu forum.
[10:04] <Noob1> i have an off topic question
[10:04] <Noob1> but it really bothers me
[10:04] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: tis pretty sweet
[10:04] <TomAraya> johnnybezak, thanks, I'll try that.
[10:04] <Quarupt> sudo chmod a+x /dir/dir/File.Run  then sudo sh ./file.run
[10:04] <Noob1> does anyone have an LG laptop?
[10:04] <johnnybezak> :)
[10:04] <Quarupt> Be in the dir in the second step
[10:04] <TomAraya> I'm in the dir
[10:04] <neom> Zanz-2 sudo apt-get install?
[10:04] <Zanz-2> oh yeah
[10:04] <Zanz-2> hehe
[10:04] <Noob1> LG LM50 laptop
[10:04] <Noob1> ?
[10:04] <Noob1> anyone ?
[10:04] <Quarupt> he needs to change the permissions to run it as a ormal user
[10:04] <Quarupt> cause its a game
[10:05] <Quarupt> lol
[10:05] <Zanz-2> hehe
[10:05] <Zanz-2> oh
[10:05] <Zanz-2> forgot the install bit
[10:05] <Quarupt> woot
[10:06] <Zanz-2> does ubunto have an ap to move the image on the monitor left and right as well as change the resolution?
[10:06] <tony> Anyone able to help setting up a connection via vpn over wlan?
[10:06] <Quarupt> man ap
[10:06] <johnnybezak> resolution can be done with the gnome control center
[10:06] <johnnybezak> dont know about the position
[10:06] <Zanz-2> only one instance of apt-get at a time?
[10:07] <Quarupt> yea cause it locks the vars when its updating them
[10:07] <TomAraya> johnnybezak, I tried that.. it's been verifying the archive integrity for a while.... hmm now it's uncompressing.. will I need to anything with the chmod command at the end?
[10:07] <Zanz-2> oh well, just don't want to have to move it back and forth when i boot into windows and back again
[10:07] <Quarupt> the file name
[10:08] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: the chmod command makes it an "executable" the sh armyops will start the installer for you
[10:08] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: just follow the prompts
[10:08] <Quarupt> just type sudo chmod a+x ./filename.run
[10:08] <TomAraya> johnnybezak, good enough.
[10:08] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: you are just running the installer aren't you?
[10:08] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: you can make the actual program executable
[10:09] <Quarupt> he cant execute a shell script that root owns as a user unless it has been x'd
[10:09] <TomAraya> Yeah, that's kinda over my head.
[10:09] <TomAraya> All I wanted to do was download and play the game.. hehe. Sorry for my ignorance.
[10:09] <TomAraya> All I did was type sh ./filename and it's doing its thing now.
[10:10] <neom> Not ignorance. :)
[10:10] <Zanz-2> is there a gui for partition management and mounting drives?
[10:10] <Quarupt> Zanz-2, QTparted
[10:11] <Quarupt> not for mounting that i know of
[10:11] <Zanz-2> how do i run qtparted?
[10:12] <Quarupt> apt-get qtparted
[10:12] <Quarupt> i think its in universe though
[10:12] <Zanz-2> oh, apt-get is busy
[10:12] <TomAraya> johnnybezak, is that typically how programs will be installed, downloading them and then sh ./filename?
[10:13] <Quarupt> TomAraya, For me its mostly apt-get install
[10:13] <TomAraya> Quarupt, *nod* but this game wasn't in any of the repositories.
[10:13] <Quarupt> but for source it can be ./configure then ./make then sudo ./make installed
[10:14] <Quarupt> if its source
[10:14] <Quarupt> but if they have a binary or a script then just what you did ya
[10:14] <Quarupt> oops
[10:14] <Quarupt> no ed on installed
[10:14] <TomAraya> So if it's binary or a script then when I did works
[10:14] <TomAraya> however if it is source you use configure and make and make installed?
[10:15] <neom> Does anyone know if you can mount an ntfs drive across a network by literally mounting it? (aka not using a samba browser?)
[10:15] <Quarupt> sometimes
[10:15] <Quarupt> most of the time it has instructions
[10:15] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: when youre lucky thats how they install :)
[10:15] <jsgotangco> hello all
[10:16] <TomAraya> hahah
[10:16] <TomAraya> Ok.
[10:16] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: typically when vendors want to package something to work on different distro's (like nvidia with their three d drivers) theyll package them like that
[10:16] <Quarupt> yup
[10:16] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: way better than installing from source anyway :)
[10:16] <Quarupt> I wish ATI would follow suite
[10:17] <johnnybezak> just don't buy ati cards for linux :)
[10:17] <Quarupt> ATI better hardware waek support
[10:17] <jsgotangco> yeah it sucks man
[10:17] <Quarupt> Nvidia Weak Hardwear great support
[10:17] <jsgotangco> my mobility radeon is useless in linux
[10:17] <jsgotangco> so i cant cedega at all
[10:18] <Quarupt> my Hoary upgrade is almost done
[10:18] <TomAraya> I have an older Nvidia card..
[10:18] <HcE> jsgotangco: my fireGL 9000 mobile works good in Linux
[10:18] <Quarupt> W()()t
[10:18] <jsgotangco> how do you do that?
[10:18] <TomAraya> I guess from bash now I just type in 'armyops' now
[10:18] <Quarupt> ANyone know if ya can set up custom ctcp replies in xchat?
[10:18] <Quarupt> you might have to x it try it first
[10:18] <jsgotangco> i have a mobility radeon 9000 here
[10:18] <johnnybezak> TomAraya: is that what the installer said
[10:19] <johnnybezak> my nvidia gf4ti4200 was a pretty sweet card for the price
[10:19] <TomAraya> THe installer just said 'click here to install' and then it told me what directory it had installed to.
[10:19] <HcE> jsgotangco: I use the fglrx driver
[10:19] <HcE> jsgotangco: it works good for me in enemy territory
[10:19] <jsgotangco> ill look into the howto
[10:20] <Quarupt> Time to reboot... lets see how Hoary looks
[10:20] <membreya_> Quarupt: no different :P
[10:20] <jsgotangco> you think hoary final would have clearlooks hehehe
[10:20] <TomAraya> yeah apparently in its in home/homedir/armyops ... but armyops doesn't work and typing which armyops doesn't seem to do anything either
[10:21] <Quarupt> very different
[10:22] <Jerub> hi. How do I play DVDs under ubuntu?
[10:23] <monoxide> wow.... so many updates...
[10:23] <Nack> guess whos back
[10:23] <jsgotangco> Jerub i'll point you to a howto
[10:23] <Nack> hui
[10:24] <Nack> i am Noob1
[10:24] <bwlang> i think there is a bug in the packaging of qcad... where do i report this?
[10:24] <jsgotangco> Jerub: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12988
[10:25] <Nack> i have more problem s
[10:25] <Nack> i am in ubuntu now
[10:25] <Nack> \
[10:25] <Nack> :(
[10:25] <JimSinziger> Hi!
[10:25] <Nack> but ...
[10:25] <jsgotangco> what problems?
[10:25] <aleitner> wow, 'update-manager' shows many hoary packages have new versions today... is this because of the freeze tomorrow (; ?
[10:25] <Nack> cant set up wireless network
[10:25] <jsgotangco> well
[10:25] <jsgotangco> i havent set up mine either
[10:25] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:26] <jsgotangco> i blame my centrino chipset
[10:26] <Nack> yeah
[10:26] <Nack> the program jammes
[10:26] <Nack> when i set it up?
[10:26] <Nack> i have centrino chipset
[10:27] <jsgotangco> realtek drivers suck hard
[10:27] <Nack> does anyone else have the same problem?
[10:27] <Nack> network-admin has quit unexpectedly
[10:27] <jsgotangco> some use ndiswrapper
[10:28] <jsgotangco> jeezz that ATI fgrlx howto is scary
[10:29] <Tuxicity> jsgotangco, bah, did it my eyes closed |-)
[10:29] <jsgotangco> waaa
[10:30] <jsgotangco> thanks for the encouragement :P
[10:30] <Tuxicity> Help me please with my GNOME panel problem...
[10:30] <JimSinziger> Uhm... I downloaded the Ubuntu-Iso two times, checked the md5sums (they were right) and burnt it. Then I checked the md5-file on the cd. Both times the program told me, that it can't find 18 files. They all are expected to be in the folders .\dists\testing\ or .\dists\local\. Those folders don't exist on both CDs at all, there are only the files .\dists\local and .\dists\testing. Is there a mistak
[10:30] <JimSinziger> e in the md5-file? I find it strange, that both times exactly the same happens although the iso-file was correct...
[10:31] <Jerub> oaky, that worked, thankyou
[10:31] <Jerub> easier to get dvd playing working on linux than windows.
[10:31] <jsgotangco> that's nice to know hehehe
[10:32] <jsgotangco> there is always an uban myth that windows play dvds by default
[10:32] <Jerub> too bad my linux machine is almost too slow to play them.
[10:32] <jsgotangco> waaa
[10:32] <K-Rich> Quarupt: woot!
[10:32] <Quarupt> Woot
[10:33] <Tuxicity> How can I move the GNOME panel?
[10:33] <Quarupt> but it changed my resolution down to 1024x768
[10:33] <Quarupt> Thanks for all the help K-Rich
[10:33] <scizzo> Tuxicity: click on it and move it
[10:33] <K-Rich> Quarupt: you know how to edit the xf86config file no?
[10:33] <Nack> has anyone set up a wireless network
[10:33] <Tuxicity> scizzo, there is no blank place where I can click
[10:34] <Zanz-2> ok, what should i type to try and get wireless drivers with apt get?
[10:34] <Nack> with centrino chipset ?
[10:34] <Nack> i cant get the program to run
[10:34] <Nack> the network-admin
[10:34] <Nack> it jammes?
[10:34] <Tuxicity> scizzo, I accidentaly moved it to the left side
[10:34] <jsgotangco> have you tried ndiswrapper?
[10:34] <Nack> wher do i find that ?
[10:35] <Tuxicity> scizzo, now the launchers icons are huge and I cant put it back on top
[10:35] <jsgotangco> well its a separate package and you use your windows drivers
[10:35] <jsgotangco> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[10:35] <Nack> oh ok
[10:35] <Nack> thask
[10:35] <jsgotangco> some people have good success with it
[10:36] <Zanz-2> will i need any libraries for compiling a wireless driver?
[10:36] <Tuxicity> scizzo, oh, just got it, thnks anyways
[10:36] <Jerub> Zanz-2: probably at least the kernel headers.
[10:36] <monoxide> anyone know why there are so many hoary updates today?
[10:36] <Jerub> Zanz-2: and the kernel build depends.
[10:36] <Jerub> monoxide: becuase people have been wokring hard?
[10:37] <Zanz-2> so apt-get install headers or something?
[10:37] <Jerub> kernel-headers I think.
[10:37] <Jerub> and apt-get build-dep kernel-image
[10:37] <Tuxicity> FYI, my problem is solved :)
[10:37] <Jerub> I think
[10:37] <jsgotangco> wireless in linux is crazy at the moment
[10:37] <jsgotangco> but its getting there
[10:38] <Quarupt> whats the dpkg command to reconfigure x server?
[10:39] <bwlang> Quarupt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:39] <monoxide> Jerub, heh. programmers working hard? :P (noone get offended plz, i am one and i enjoy making fun of myself)
[10:39] <monoxide> jsgotangco, how crazy is "crazy"?
[10:40] <Nack> the strang thing is it ran the internat update think in the installer
[10:40] <jsgotangco> well not as crazy as before wherethere is no support
[10:40] <Nack> now i have no network at all??/
[10:40] <Nack> crazy
[10:41] <monoxide> i am getting a wireless pci card for my comp
[10:42] <monoxide> Quarupt, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(xorg|xfree86) depending on which you are using ;)
[10:42] <Quarupt> okay
[10:42] <Quarupt> does Hoary not support higher res's then 1024x768?
[10:42] <membreya_> Quarupt: yes it does
[10:42] <jsgotangco> it does of course
[10:43] <Zanz-2> do you have your graphics card drivers installed yet?
[10:43] <K-Rich> gnight all i'm outta here !
[10:43] <Quarupt> weird i upgraded from Warty to Hoary and my res went down to 10x76 and it wont go higher
[10:44] <Zanz-2> what does $make do instead of make
[10:44] <Zanz-2> ?
[10:44] <Quarupt> how can i restrt gtk w/o restarting mah box?
[10:45] <^majik^> er, I believe the '$' represents the shell prompt
[10:45] <Zanz-2> ooooh, ok
[10:45] <^majik^> when you see something like that, it simply means to type the following command at the shell prompt
[10:46] <membreya_> I'm running 1152x864 as we speak
[10:46] <membreya_> gtk or gdm Quarupt ? :P
[10:46] <Quarupt> gdm
[10:46] <Quarupt> >
[10:47] <Zanz-2> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[10:47] <Zanz-2> rt2500.ko failed to build!
[10:47] <Zanz-2> make: *** [module]  Error 1
[10:47] <Quarupt> just gdm restart?
[10:47] <Quarupt> did ya run the ./configure first?
[10:47] <Zanz-2> its not mentioned in the readme...ok tho
[10:47] <Quarupt> well dont then
[10:47] <Zanz-2>  ./configure: No such file or directory
[10:48] <Quarupt> Hoary has a built in torrent client AWESOME
[10:48] <Zanz-2> grrr.....
[10:49] <Zanz-2> i'm officially lost now
[10:49] <Quarupt> you are most likey missing a depend
[10:49] <^majik^> Zanz-2: oh, well if you're compiling something, chances are they won't tell you that in the readme, as compiling is sort of advanced, and putting a note about this in there probably didn't even cross the author's mind  ;-)
[10:50] <^majik^> Zanz-1: that is, about the '$' prompt
[10:50] <^majik^> Zanz-2: that is, about the '$' prompt
[10:51] <jsgotangco> oh my gawd someone forwarded me a Happatai video
[10:51] <jsgotangco> i couldnt stop laughing
[10:51] <membreya_> Quarupt: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:51] <membreya_> azureus is always better Quarupt :P
[10:53] <^majik^> Zanz-2: to explain the "./configure".. "configure" is either a script or program (a script in this case), which can be executed (or run, even) by being in the directory it's in and then doing either ". configure" or "./configure" (in most cases though, I believe you'll want to use the "./" style)
[10:54] <^majik^> Zanz-2: but.. if you wish to execute a command that's listed in your PATH, then you could just issue it as, for example, "ls" ("ls" is to list files/directories)
[10:54] <Quarupt> that worked
[10:55] <Zanz-2> there's no script for the ./configure on this module tho
[10:56] <^majik^> Zanz-2: the readme/install file told you to run configure right?  and you're sure you're in the correct directory, as per the readme
[10:56] <Zanz-2> nope, didn't mention configure
[10:57] <^majik^> Zanz-2: oh, well then why are ya trying to configure something that might not be "configure"able  ;-)
[10:57] <Zanz-2> coz the instructions didn't work
[10:57] <Zanz-2> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[10:58] <^majik^> Zanz-2: btw, README files can sometimes, but don't have to contain the installation instructions.  these can sometimes be found in an INSTALL file, or similar
[10:59] <Zanz-2> For 2.4 or 2.6 series kernel:
[10:59] <Zanz-2> a. $tar -xvzf rt2500-x.x.x.tar.gz
[10:59] <Zanz-2>     go to "./rt2500-x.x.x/Module" directory.
[10:59] <Zanz-2> b. $make                # compile driver source code
[10:59] <Zanz-2> c. $make install	# installs kernel module driver
[10:59] <Zanz-2> but it won't work
[10:59] <^majik^> Zanz-2: ah ok, ok.  what is it you're trying to install now?  a kernel, or kernel module?
[10:59] <Zanz-2> drivers for at rt2500 wireless card
[10:59] <sharke> hello
[11:00] <^majik^> Zanz-2: ok.
[11:00] <^majik^> Zanz-2: lets talk in private for a bit, if you don't mind.  (so as not to flood the channel here, with output that I request)
[11:00] <Zanz-2> build-essential....i bet that helps
[11:01] <Quarupt> rhythmbox says that something is using my sound card, but i did killall esd and it still says it?
[11:02] <Quarupt> I want custom ctcp replies
[11:03] <spacey> ctcp replies from your soundcard?
[11:03] <spacey> =P
[11:03] <Quarupt> no
[11:03] <Quarupt> from xchat
[11:03] <spacey> ah
[11:03] <Quarupt> i now ya can do it somehow
[11:03] <spacey> well then configure it so
[11:03] <Quarupt> i dunno how
[11:03] <spacey> SEtting
[11:03] <Quarupt> i looked
[11:03] <spacey> SEttings > advanced > ctcp replies
[11:03] <spacey> its there
[11:03] <Quarupt> oh i see
[11:04] <Quarupt> can i change version
[11:04] <Quarupt> damn
[11:05] <Quarupt> what client can you change all the replies
[11:10] <Quarupt> anyone know how to set up a vnc server?
[11:14] <ssam> remote desktop control panel
[11:14] <Quarupt> where is that
[11:14] <Quarupt> nvm
[11:14] <ssam> preference menu
[11:15] <ssam> then enable the options you want
[11:15] <Quarupt> it doesnt show me what port
[11:15] <Quarupt> ?
[11:16] <Quarupt> it says use localhost.localdomain:0
[11:16] <Quarupt> ?
[11:16] <Quarupt> i dunno what port to use?
[11:16] <ssam> um, i am sorry i have to go to lectures, you have to find someone else or look in the wiki
[11:17] <Quarupt> is anyone ele having trouble connecting to realvnc.com?
[11:17] <ssam> good luck
[11:19] <amiloM1425> www.realvnc.com is not available
[11:19] <shock_> does anyone here know if iptables default in the debian package is "all ports closed" ?
[11:20] <shock_> by any chance?
[11:20] <shock_> I remotely updated my router to iptables
[11:20] <shock_> now it answers to ping
[11:20] <shock_> but not to ssh
[11:20] <shock_> bla bla
[11:20] <shock_> =)
[11:20] <shock_> :/
[11:20] <shock_> *help*?
[11:22] <Quarupt> i farted
[11:25] <Quarupt> sleepy time
[11:26] <bob2> shock_: the default is "nothing"
[11:26] <bob2> shock_: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/READMe.Debian for more details
[11:29] <Mit21> Hello
[11:29] <linuxboy> hi
[11:30] <Mit21> My Russian
[11:30] <Mit21>    ?
[11:31] <mikael_> do anyone know how to install dvdrom on linux ubuntu
[11:32] <wdh> mikael_, a dvdrom should be readable by default.. not sure what you want to do
[11:33] <bascule> four screws and 2 cables ;)
[11:34] <Mit21> :)
[11:34] <mikael_> ok thanks then i have to improvise
[11:34] <wdh> lol.. not desperate for an answer i guess :P
[11:36] <membreya_> lol bascule :P
[11:36] <bascule> hey membreya_ :)
[11:36] <membreya> damn IRC quitting out :P
[11:37] <membreya> bascule: enjoy the 100mb download today? :)
[11:37] <membreya> i feel sorry for dial-up'ers who are silly enough to run hoary :P
[11:37] <bascule> yeah, I got 75 las night will run it now see what I get
[11:37] <bascule> I have 1MB so not to bad
[11:38] <membreya> i loved it ...100mb to download with an addtional 800kb of space used :P
[11:38] <bascule> especially since all the greedy yanks are in their beds ;)
 - so i guess having my router not responding to ssh means something bad, then?
[11:38] <Mit21> Hello All
[11:38] <shock_> *sigh*
[11:38] <shock_> hello Mit
[11:40] <Mit21> Hello shock
[11:40] <shock_> :)
 namp -P0 returns just this: " 113/tcp closed auth"
[11:41] <janc> someone know if shipit is taking orders for warty or for hoary now?
[11:41] <shock_> used to be at least ssh, ftp and apache
[11:42] <membreya> namp?
[11:44] <bascule> mkreiserfs /dev/hda1
[11:44] <bascule> done, do it now :P
[11:44] <membreya> why would I do that to my dvd-rw? :|
[11:44] <bascule> ah
[11:44] <membreya> :D
[11:45] <membreya> bascule: so I won't have to fdisk and delete the partition? just reiserfs it and it wipes the data?
[11:46] <bascule> membreya: that is what I did
[11:46] <membreya> you forsake bill as well ?
[11:46] <bascule> why mess abot with partitions if you don't need to
[11:46] <membreya> I just need to get my avidemux to compile without an ICE and I can kill windows
[11:47] <bascule> yeah about 10 months ago now
[11:47] <membreya> transcoding xvid to mpeg2 is my last frontier :)
[11:47] <bascule> odd temptation when I see games  running, but I know I gwet bored with them in about 2 weeks
[11:47] <membreya> play em once and throw em away :)
[11:48] <bascule> membreya: I've done it a few times, avi to vob any way
[11:48] <membreya> besides.. I'm hooked on barrage...AND linux comes with "beneath a steel sky" i love that game!
[11:48] <bascule> Oh the old amiga/ST game
[11:48] <membreya> bascule: with what ? mencode?
[11:48] <membreya> bascule: it was also on PC :)
[11:48] <bascule> with a robot thing and puzzles in each room
[11:48] <membreya> yup :D
[11:48] <bascule> membreya: yeah mencode
[11:49] <bascule> or transcode
[11:49] <membreya> bascule: forgive my weakness..but I need a GUI :P
[11:49] <bascule> can get an avi to burn to a DVD so it plays in a DVD player
[11:49] <bascule> well it isn't so bad, ther is a script called any2vob about
[11:50] <bascule> any2vob -i foo.avi
[11:50] <bascule> leave it for x hours .. done
[11:50] <membreya> how long's it take you ? :)
[11:50] <bascule> about the same amoun of time as the film, 26fps I get on a 2.4 prescott
[11:51] <membreya> amd64 3200 ..takes me about 30 - 40 mins to do a movie
[11:51] <bascule> nice
[11:51] <membreya> hrm
[11:51] <bascule> gimme it .. :P
[11:51] <membreya> when you do a configure
[11:51] <membreya> and then do a make
[11:51] <membreya> what file does the "make" command read off?
[11:51] <cocol> i have compile the Clearlooks on my Hoary-sys
[11:52] <cocol> but ik cant find it in Theme Slector
[11:52] <bascule> teh Makefile that ./configure produces
[11:52] <membreya> bascule: only got a 120gb SATA tho ...getting another 200gb SATA in a few weeks :)
[11:52] <bascule> takes a lot of room for sure
[11:52] <membreya> bascule: that's the file I'm after :)
[11:52] <Mit21> :-(
[11:52] <membreya> bascule: I have 40gb of music videos alone :D another 45gb of TV eps
[11:53] <bascule> you got mythTV or something like that?
[11:53] <cocol> somebody have experience with Clearlooks yheme?
[11:53] <membreya> bascule: I use TVtime to watch tv.. I get my TV eps off of BT cos I'm in Australia :P
[11:53] <bascule> cool
[11:54] <membreya> besides which I don't have a HDTV tuner :'(
[11:54] <bascule> not many people do
[11:54] <membreya> they aint expensive..but I don't do anything special with my tv tuner..just have the picture in the corner to watch when I'm at my pc
[11:55] <bascule> never seen one running actually
[11:55] <bascule> don't know anyone that has one
[11:55] <cocol> Clearlooks?
[11:55] <membreya> they just give uber crisp images :)
[11:55] <membreya> I believe they run at 1024x768
[11:55] <bascule> right
[11:56] <membreya> and 100hz, instead of 50
[11:56] <Mit21> :oops:
[11:57] <bascule> are you breaking something Mit21
[11:57] <bascule> ;)
[11:57] <Mit21> :whink:
[11:57] <membreya> wouldn't be linux if he wasn't :P
[11:58] <bascule> heh, as I heard someone in here say 'Linux. What do you want to break today?'
[11:59] <bascule> actually he is playing with smileys
[11:59] <bascule> they aren't gonna work on IRC dude, it's all ascii
[11:59] <bascule> :))
[11:59] <membreya> what the ...
[11:59] <membreya> ALT 0+222 doesn't work here
[12:00] <membreya> gah
[12:00] <Jerub> membreya: depends on the client.
[12:00] <membreya> man ..so sad ..last night my girlfriend was playing minesweeper...and the first thing that popped into my head...XYZZY<Shift><Enter><Enter>
[12:00] <bascule> irssi won't even display tabs
[12:00] <thenuke> :-
[12:01] <daniels> membreya: wasn't that the civ hack?
[12:01] <daniels> or was that 12345?
[12:01] <Jerub> membreya: anyway, you can't be assured of how that will render, there's no garunteed character encoding.
[12:01] <membreya> daniels: XYZZY....on windows 3.1 with minesweeper when you entered that code, if you hovered your mouse above a mine a little white dot appeared in the corner
[12:01] <membreya> so you could look uber cool
[12:01] <daniels> oh, right
[12:01] <daniels> heh
[12:02] <Mit21> There is people speaking in russian?
[12:04] <membreya> hmmmm whats the easiest way to search a string of text in a group of files? I thought cat would do it ..but I'm wrong ...as usual
[12:04] <Jerub> membreya: grep
[12:04] <membreya> dher me :)
[12:04] <bascule> for i in *.txt; do grep 'pattern'; done
[12:05] <Jerub> huh?
[12:05] <Jerub> grep 'pattern' *.txt
[12:05] <bascule> oh well even easier
[12:05] <membreya> grep....when will you stop amazing me :D
[12:05] <Jerub> bascule: that won't say what file the result will be in.
[12:05] <bascule> never look at egrep
[12:05] <bascule> Jerub: I see, thanks
[12:06] <membreya> so daniels ..how goes those pretty splash screens..cos I know they have to be top of the list :P
[12:06] <jlg> Hey guys, I am looking for some help on reporting a bug correctly. File-roller always crashes me and I get the "The Application "file-roller" has quit unexpectedly. You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now." dialog. There doesn't seem to be any option for informing them in the dialog, so I tried to generate a traceback using http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingProgramCrash/. However, 
[12:08] <membreya> hmmm damnit ... I want to configure a program so that it only compiles for my arch...ie it's configuring for i386 and ppc (i386 is what's causing my ICE when I go to make)
[12:09] <bascule> export CLAGS='-march=i686 -O2 -pipe -s'
[12:09] <bascule> export CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS
[12:09] <bascule> those are gentle ones
[12:09] <bascule> cFLAGS
[12:09] <membreya> i686? I'm 64 bit baby!
[12:09] <universal> can i use .rpm files in Ubuntu?
[12:10] <bascule> export CLAGS='-march=k8 -O2 -mmmx -msse -m3dnow -mfpmath=sse -pipe -s'
[12:10] <jlg> Try using 'alien'.
[12:10] <universal> or install packages names .rpm?
[12:10] <Zanz-2> 686 isn't 64 bit
[12:10] <jlg> It can convert .rpms into .debs.
[12:10] <bascule> CFLAGS no CLAGS
[12:11] <universal> jlg
[12:11] <universal> ok
[12:11] <jlg> Though that doesn't guarantee the RPM will integrate into the rest of the syste, of course.
[12:11] <membreya> bascule: and that goes where? :)
[12:12] <bascule> just export it
[12:12] <bascule> or .bashrc to make it permanent
[12:12] <jlg> That's why there are different RPMs for SuSe and Fedora Core, too.
[12:12] <bascule> also export CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS
[12:13] <Zanz-2> what are the main differences between rpms for different distros?
[12:13] <monoxide> k8 == amd64?
[12:13] <membreya> monoxide: yup ...my kernel is the generic on though, so it's running x86_64
[12:13] <bascule> Zanz-2: It is a consistency in the library versions that they are built agianst
[12:13] <Zanz-2> i think amd64 is under the k8 designation
[12:13] <bascule> monoxide: yes
[12:13] <bascule> needs gcc 3.4.? bit that is the one
[12:14] <membreya> just upgraded to 3.4 :)
[12:14] <universal> jlg, ok, thx, its just because i would like downloading Lime Wire, but there is only a .rpm version
[12:15] <monoxide> ahhhh :) i was at the hardware shop today and say a k8 motherboard and thought "what the hell?" :P
[12:15] <membreya> lol
[12:15] <Zanz-2> socket 939 is what you want for amd64, on the socket the cpu sits in there are holes across the whole thing, no square hole in the middle
[12:16] <membreya> i bought mine too early for 939
[12:16] <membreya> damn roadmap
[12:16] <Zanz-2> oh
[12:16] <membreya> my cpu fan does 80dB :P
[12:17] <bascule> I don't think my speakere do that :P
[12:17] <membreya> bascule: does that export last until I close the terminal?
[12:17] <bascule> yes
[12:17] <membreya> sweet
[12:17] <Zanz-2> that's not a fan, tha'ts a propeller
[12:17] <membreya> my speakers do about 100 - 110
[12:18] <membreya> IIRC :)
[12:20] <membreya> http://www.digital-daily.com/cooling/gigabyte-3d-cooler/ <---my CPU fan :)
[12:21] <sharke> hi
[12:23] <membreya> motion_est.c:1138: internal compiler error: in ggc_recalculate_in_use_p, at ggc-page.c:1468
[12:23] <membreya> damn you ICE...damn you!
[12:24] <bob2> hah, impressive
[12:24] <bob2> unless you're overclocking or doing something else silly
[12:25] <membreya> fix my ICE >:(
[12:25] <membreya> bob2: it's pretty and blue like the rest of my case :D
[12:25] <bascule> interanl compiler error, nasty things those
[12:26] <membreya> i want it fixed and i want it fixed now
[12:26] <membreya> damn free software
[12:26] <bascule> membreya: what aer you building
[12:26] <membreya> how dare it not work
[12:26] <membreya> bascule: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
[12:26] <bascule> ah
[12:26] <bob2> membreya: if you're not beating up your machine with overclocking/bad ram/etc, it's a gcc bug
[12:26] <membreya> if I export clags more than once does the newer export override the older one..or do they just keep adding up
[12:27] <bob2> depends how you do it
[12:27] <membreya> bob2: I never overclock..bad
[12:27] <bascule> it is yeah, only tome I ever saw those was mozilla ona 1.7 celeron clocked to 2.04
[12:27] <bob2> if it's automake, it overrides them
[12:27] <membreya> it does call automake IIRC
[12:27] <bascule> membreya: CFLAGS
[12:27] <bascule> not CLAGS
[12:27] <bascule> I typod it
[12:28] <bascule> heh
[12:28] <bascule> and it will overwrite no add up
[12:28] <membreya> hmmm well that changed the output
[12:28] <membreya> now ./configure is broken :P
[12:29] <bascule> oh great ...
[12:29] <bascule> lol
[12:29] <membreya> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[12:29] <membreya> See `config.log' for more details.
[12:29] <bascule> seeing if gcc can create binary executables .... no
[12:29] <bascule> yeah I see those ones, my fglags
[12:29] <bascule> flags
[12:30] <Jerub> apt-get build-dep is your friend.
[12:30] <membreya> you're losin me bascule
[12:30] <bascule> export CFLAGS='-march=k8 -O2 -mmmx -msse -m3dnow -mfpmath=sse -pipe -s'
[12:30] <bascule> those are fine
[12:31] <membreya> it's no different to the one before bascule :P
[12:31] <bascule> export CXXFLAGS='-march=k8 -O2 -mmmx -msse -m3dnow -mfpmath=sse -pipe -s'
[12:31] <bascule> well I spelled CFLAGS correctl;y
[12:31] <membreya> lol
[12:31] <bascule> :))
[12:31] <membreya> you killed it bascule :(
[12:32] <bascule> perhaps it wont take k8
[12:32] <bascule> cause th others are spot on
[12:32] <bascule> unless it's -mcpu and not -march
[12:33] <membreya> nope, I changed it to x86_64 and still no good
[12:33] <bob2> er
[12:34] <bob2> you really should read the manpage before using random flags
[12:34] <bob2> hint: -mcpu=k8 isn't valid with gcc 3.3
[12:34] <membreya> im using gcc 3.4
[12:34] <membreya> with an amd64
[12:35] <membreya> kernel is x86_64
[12:35] <bob2> what's the point of mcpu=k8?
[12:35] <bascule> athlon 64
[12:35] <bob2> no
[12:35] <membreya> lads.. I want an answer, not a fight :P
[12:35] <bascule> I am trying -march or -mcpu, if it takes neither I dunno
[12:36] <admin0> hi all
[12:36] <bob2> what you actually want is ./configure CC=gcc-3.4 CFLAGS='blah'
[12:36] <admin0> is it possible for me to install and run Oracle in Ubuntu ?
[12:36] <membreya> bob2: to fill you in .. I'm getting ICE's with my compile..so I'm trying to get the ./configure to only create makefiles for my arch and not i386/ppc
[12:36] <admin0> and how about using ubuntu as a load balancer/layer4 redirector ?
[12:36] <jdub> admin0: unfortunately, you won't get oracle support for it at the moment.
[12:36] <bob2> membreya: er
[12:36] <jdub> admin0: that ought to be easy enough
[12:36] <bob2> membreya: the makefiles are the same (nominally) regardless of arch
[12:36] <bascule> bob2: OK, I accept that, but why declare CC=gcc3.4, are there others on there?
[12:37] <membreya> gcc -v gives 3.4 :)
[12:37] <bascule> <-- never built anythng on ubuntu
[12:37] <bascule> well .....
[12:37] <admin0> basically, i have been using ubuntu for more than 6 momths now, and would want to use it more for a server also, rather than a workstation :)
[12:37] <bob2> bascule: gcc 3.3 is the default
[12:37] <bascule> I see
[12:37] <admin0> ok
[12:37] <admin0> one question
[12:37] <bob2> membreya: then you changed the default and other things will break
[12:37] <admin0> how about internal modem support in ubuntu ?
[12:37] <admin0> and USB modem too :)
[12:37] <membreya> bob2: I've tried compiling this with both GCC 3.3 and GCC 3.4
[12:37] <membreya> both give an ICE
[12:38] <membreya> just with different error messages
[12:38] <bob2> membreya: ok
[12:38] <membreya> bob2: using GCC3.3 I'm getting:
[12:38] <membreya> motion_est.c: In function `ff_estimate_p_frame_motion':
[12:38] <membreya> motion_est.c:1406: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[12:39] <bascule> perhaps cause gcc it's self is built x86 ..
[12:39] <bob2> membreya: check your ram, first
[12:39] <bob2> bascule: no
[12:39] <membreya> with GCC3.4 I'm getting:
[12:39] <membreya> motion_est.c: In function `check_input_motion':
[12:39] <membreya> motion_est.c:1138: internal compiler error: in ggc_recalculate_in_use_p, at ggc-page.c:1468
[12:39] <mikael_> how can you exclude bad blicks
[12:39] <mikael_> blocks
[12:39] <membreya> I've not had a problem with any other ICE's ...
[12:39] <bob2> mikael_: if a modern hard disk is showing bad blocks, return it and get a new one
[12:39] <bascule> bob2: ram or L" cahe are the only other likely things I agree
[12:39] <membreya> well 1 or 2
[12:40] <bascule> L2 cache
[12:40] <membreya> but most everything else compiles perfectly
[12:40] <bob2> bascule: cache errors would be pretty surprising
[12:40] <bascule> yeah, if not clocked
[12:40] <membreya> CPU/VID/RAM are all stock..No OC'ing
[12:41] <bascule> have you built anything else
[12:41] <membreya> plenty..I rebuild Gaim everytime it's re-released :)
[12:41] <bascule> well it's the code then
[12:41] <bascule> or a gcc bug ..
[12:42] <bob2> the code?  no code should make gcc crash.
[12:42] <bob2> if it's not hardware, it's a gcc bug.
[12:43] <membreya> doing a google on the error I get in 3.4 looks to be a bug :|
[12:43] <bascule> but 2 gccs
[12:43] <bascule> ah well, that is the end of that
[12:44] <membreya> damnit, it's the only thing that gives windows a lifeline right now
[12:44] <bob2> eh?
[12:44] <bob2> gaim is in ubuntu
[12:44] <bob2> there's no actual need to rebulid it
[12:44] <membreya> bob2: there is when a new version is released :)
[12:45] <bob2> and then it gets uploaded to hoary and you download it from there
[12:45] <monoxide> membreya, gaim is released on apt within a few days of a stable release
[12:45] <membreya> i .....just grab the source as soon as gaim tells me a new version is out and compile it
[12:45] <elTigre> hoi
[12:45] <membreya> oh and I built azureus
[12:45] <membreya> and tvtime
[12:46] <monoxide> you cant get the odd number versions off apt though
[12:46] <elTigre> I tried to upgrade to hoary...
[12:46] <membreya> oh and gnomebaker :)
[12:46] <membreya> so no problems overall building
[12:46] <elTigre> but gnome now issues error after error
[12:46] <bascule> membreya: OK, it is just gcc and that code combined
[12:46] <elTigre> especially about xkb and things
[12:46] <Zanz-2> am i here?
[12:46] <bascule> tell Richard Stallman to get it fixed
[12:47] <bob2> rms doesn't hack gcc anymore
[12:47] <bascule> Zanz-2: yes
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Zanz-2: no, you don't exist... go away ;-)
[12:47] <bob2> he doesn't hack anything at all, afaik, since he has carpal tunnel
[12:47] <membreya> this bug was posted in 2003 :|
[12:47] <bascule> bob2: oh, that is a shame, what does he work on?
[12:47] <monoxide> Zanz-2, no, you are talking to yourself
[12:47] <elTigre> ok I have to correct that with the errors
[12:47] <bob2> bascule: gives talks and leads emacs, aiui
[12:48] <elTigre> error messages are not as bad as the complete aplication menu is missing
[12:48] <bascule> k
[12:48] <bascule> what a waste od coding talent  ... :(
[12:48] <elTigre> no keybindings work...
[12:48] <membreya> says the bug is closed as it wasnt valid
[12:48] <membreya> gah!
[12:48] <elTigre> the taskbar thingy doesnt workl
[12:49] <bascule> re-open it
[12:49] <membreya> any way to debug a configure more?
[12:49] <johnnybezak> hey guys do you know what package i should install to get french characters working?
[12:51] <bascule> membreya: there are hundreds out the re that could probably fix it, not me though
[12:51] <bob2> membreya: why are you fixating on configure at all?
[12:51] <bob2> membreya: the problem is gcc itself crashing
[12:52] <elTigre> what is the apt-get command to upgrade everything?
[12:52] <membreya> sudo apt-get update
[12:52] <membreya> sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:52] <bob2> no
[12:52] <bob2> right
[12:52] <elTigre> hmm ill try to do it without gnome running....
[12:52] <bob2> it doesn't matter if gnome is running or not
[12:53] <bob2> tho you'll need to log out and in again if gnome's updated
[12:53] <thoreauputic> too late :)
[12:53] <membreya> lo thoreauputic :)
[12:53] <membreya> mwuahahaha
[12:53] <membreya> guess what bob2 and bascule :)
[12:53] <bascule> thre is anewer verson that builds?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have been watching this geek convo with interest... I understand about 2% of it
[12:54] <membreya> that's 3% more than me mate :)
[12:54] <bascule> lol@ thor
[12:54] <Frafraxy> hi
[12:54] <membreya> bascule & bob2: ...i did a ./configure --disable_mmx :D
[12:54] <membreya> and it's compiling as we speak
[12:54] <Frafraxy> i must remove my adsl connection
[12:55] <membreya> disable-mmx even
[12:55] <bascule> ah well
[12:55] <membreya> ahahah...I figured something out!
[12:55] <bascule> -O34 -funroll-everthing then :P
[12:55] <membreya> ok ok it was blind luck
[12:56] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[12:56] <bascule> I know ffmpeg won't built msse2 on p4s, another multi-media extension
[12:56] <Skid> hi, I've an adaptec ultra wifi pcmcia card for my dell inspiron 8200, which I can't get detected; anyone able to assist/
[12:56] <bascule> membreya: sometimes that way
[12:57] <thoreauputic> Frafraxy: ifdown eth0 ? ifdown ppp0?
[12:57] <Frafraxy> thoreauputic, my connection starts automatically when i start the pc
[12:57] <Frafraxy> i've configured it with pppoeconf
[12:59] <thoreauputic> Frafraxy: sorry, I don't understand the problem - can't you just disable the interface? If that's what you want to do?
[01:00] <Frafraxy> thoreauputic, i've sell this pc and i must remove the data of adsl connection because i wouldn't  format the pc
[01:01] <bob2> membreya-aWay: please turn that off
[01:01] <membreya-aWay> hush now, it's the xlack script... :P
[01:01] <RichiH> membreya-aWay: which xlacks concern for the others in the channel? ;)
[01:03] <bob2> hahahaha
[01:04] <membreya-aWay> sorry, will reconfigure when law and order's over :P
[01:04] <Zanz-2> well, i give up for tonight, thanks everyone for the help
[01:04] <membreya-aWay> i mainly use it for a "catcher" so it logs anytime my name is mentioned :P
[01:04] <bascule> pgup
[01:05] <membreya-aWay> info
[01:05] <membreya-aWay> ?
[01:07] <RichiH> membreya-aWay: with irssi, you can do non-public aways and it will log everything that was said while you were away
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Frafraxy: I guess  sudo apt-get remove --purge pppoeconf would get rid of your adsl configuration :)
[01:07] <membreya-aWay> ok away message is off :)
[01:08] <RichiH> membreya-aWay: :)
[01:08] <Frafraxy> thoreauputic, thanks
[01:08] <membreya-aWay> cool :)
[01:09] <thoreauputic> Frafraxy: of course that would also mean the next guy has to reinstall it :)
[01:22] <Amaranth> hey, did anyone else lose their industrial theme recently?
[01:23] <zimba-tm> hello ubunut users :)
[01:23] <Xappe> Amaranth, well, not recently, it disappeared in an update several weeks ago
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: it's because it didn't like your nick ;)
[01:24] <Amaranth> yeah, i haven't upgraded in awhile
[01:24] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: :D
[01:24] <Amaranth> Xappe: Know how to get it back?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> :D
[01:24] <Amaranth> that theme went away too :P
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: that's sad - amaranth is a nice theme
[01:25] <Xappe> Amaranth, no..or well, yes. download the theme manually from a theme site I guess
[01:26] <zimba-tm> how can I detect usb devices on linux ?
[01:26] <zimba-tm> I just want to know what devices are plugged in my usb ports
[01:26] <zimba-tm> do I need a device drivers obligatory ?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I just installed this one ->> http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/index.html
[01:26] <thoreauputic> rather nice I thought...
[01:27] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: hmm... lsub from memory
[01:27] <thoreauputic> *lsusb
[01:27] <thenuke> "amixer: mixer attach default error: No such file or directory"
[01:27] <thenuke> tried to command "amixer"
[01:28] <Ed_Gein> has anyone had anyluck upgrading to hoary?
[01:28] <zimba-tm> thoreauputic, thanks a lot !
[01:28] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: you're welcome :)
[01:28] <thenuke> Ed_Gein: for sure many has, but you should not do it if you really dont need it
[01:29] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: yeah, i think people looking at my screen will not be happy if i try to load that page again
[01:29] <Ed_Gein> I really would like the ability to burn cd's
[01:29] <Ed_Gein> I've changed /apt/sources.list to no avail
[01:29] <zimba-tm> thoreauputic, do you have ressource for more informations ? I mostly found usb-for-developpers papers on the net
[01:30] <thenuke> Ed_Gein: :o why do you need hoary for burning cd's
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: it isn't just the calendar shots - there's a gtk theme as well (very clean and simple)
[01:30] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: That's Milk.
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: is it the same? I thought the borders were different?
[01:30] <Ed_Gein> can't seem to burn burn mp3s with any of hte availableutilities
[01:30] <Amaranth> they might be but it's basically milk
[01:31] <Ed_Gein> wanted to give k3b or graveman a try
[01:31] <BockBilbo> hey back
[01:31] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: are you on warty?
[01:31] <Amaranth> clearlook or whatever
[01:31] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :yes
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: look here >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[01:32] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker for warty
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: works well here
[01:33] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic:"Is that a repo?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: no, I just downloaded the .deb and di dpkg -i
[01:34] <thoreauputic> *did
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: seems to instal nicely - YMMV
[01:35] <Ed_Gein> I'll give it a try
[01:36] <Ed_Gein> Still confused as to why it won't upgrade to hoary?
[01:36] <NinDzA> i'm embaresd
[01:36] <NinDzA> but ubuntu blocks root acc
[01:36] <NinDzA> in installation
[01:36] <NinDzA> and there is no place to set root pass
[01:37] <NinDzA> what is default pass?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: there's no root in ubuntu
[01:37] <robodex> afaik it's your pass
[01:37] <robodex> so if your pass is "blah" the root pass is "blah"
[01:37] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: use sudo -s for a root shell
[01:37] <Ed_Gein> you do everything with "sudo" or you can add root
[01:38] <NinDzA> damn :)
[01:38] <NinDzA> ty :)
[01:38] <kzm> Hi all,
[01:38] <kzm> Is there a good way to handle removable media?  Without requiring privileges?
[01:39] <kzm> So that unpriv users can use usb devices etc.
[01:39] <johnnybezak> can anyone here help me out with international characters?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> kzm: they should be able to by default AFAIK
[01:39] <thoreauputic> hmm... that was a quick visit
[01:40] <kzm> whoops
[01:40] <zimba-tm> thoreauputic, I'm also interested, will usb be on /dev/sda1 ?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: as far as I know, inserting a usb device should automagically mount it and put an icon on the desktop
[01:41] <kzm> The "problem" is that there are multiple devices.  Usually, they will be partitioned (i.e. I want sda1 to mount), but sometimes, the whole device (i.e my mp3 player must be mounted as /dev/sda)
[01:41] <thoreauputic> works that way here, anyway
[01:42] <kzm> Hmm.. with Warty?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> yes
[01:42] <kzm> (Is it time to take the step to Hoary, btw?)
[01:42] <zimba-tm> okay then if it doens't mount, it means it's not a usb-storage ?
[01:42] <zimba-tm> I've just bought a P910i and I want to transfer the photos from it :p
[01:42] <thoreauputic> *shrug* I don't know
[01:42] <Ed_Gein> could someone running hoary post the relevant sections of sources.list
[01:42] <kzm> Well, it doesn't mount for me.  But perhaps I'm not running nautilus (I certainly don't have any icons on the "desktop")
[01:43] <kzm> Ed, isn't it just replacing warty with hoary at the right places?
[01:43] <SiRrUs> Ed_Gein take a look here www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:43] <zimba-tm> just to make sure, the new "udev" that's coming with kernel 2.6 creates devices dynamically isn't it ?
[01:43] <SiRrUs> then change your warty to hoary
[01:44] <kzm> My quite manual proceedure involves doing 'dmesg' to check what sdX got assigned, and mounting it under /mnt/tmp.  A bit cumbersome.
[01:44] <maLKoc> hi..
[01:45] <Ed_Gein> Sirus: I followed those steps to no avail. I even tried to copy there sample to no avail
[01:45] <maLKoc> i have a problem.
[01:45] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, everybody has problems :p
[01:45] <maLKoc> :)
[01:45] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: you did sudo apt-get update ?
[01:46] <maLKoc> i have not mount win_c win_d and win_e
[01:46] <maLKoc> my ubuntu system is from hda7
[01:46] <maLKoc> hda8 swap
[01:46] <maLKoc> hda1 win xp and fat32
[01:46] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, what filesystem are on win_c, d, e ?
[01:47] <Ed_Gein> yes
[01:47] <maLKoc> hda2 my media sector fat32
[01:47] <maLKoc> hda5 my media sector fat32
[01:47] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :and dist-upgrade
[01:47] <maLKoc> !hda2 my media sector fat32
[01:47] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: error messages?
[01:47] <maLKoc> wrong
[01:47] <maLKoc> :)
[01:47] <maLKoc> hda5 my media sector fat32(true)
[01:47] <maLKoc> :)
[01:47] <maLKoc> hda6 my programs fat32
[01:48] <maLKoc> this hdd sectors are not mount hda7
[01:48] <zimba-tm> just go in /mnt
[01:48] <zimba-tm> create win_c, d, e
[01:48] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :this morning none other than it doesn't install anything
[01:48] <zimba-tm> edit /etc/fstab
[01:48] <Ed_Gein> last night I tried and got lots of errors "couldnt' stat blah blah"
[01:49] <maLKoc> already mounted
[01:49] <maLKoc> but folder image x
[01:49] <SiRrUs> Ed_Gein check again to ensure you have changed all the sources
[01:49] <maLKoc> i don't now x
[01:49] <Ed_Gein> well gnomebaker seems to have installed withou a hitch
[01:49] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, add lines to your drives : /dev/hda2   /mnt/win_d   vfat  user,exec 0 0
[01:49] <Ed_Gein> does it work? Keeps fingers crossed
[01:50] <maLKoc> zimba-tm i don't understand
[01:50] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, me neither :p
[01:51] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: you might need to point it at /dev/hdc or whatever your burner is, although it detected mine here
[01:51] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, so all your drives are mounted ?
[01:51] <Ed_Gein> SiRrUs: I actually tried renaming sources.list and copy/paste the example on ubuntuguide.
[01:51] <maLKoc> yeah but symbol x
[01:51] <maLKoc> access denied!
[01:51] <maLKoc> ?
[01:52] <maLKoc> i can not speak english perfect
[01:52] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, what do you do to have this error message ?
[01:52] <maLKoc> :)
[01:52] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, no prob
[01:52] <Ubuntu_user> I have a dumb question
[01:52] <Ubuntu_user> how to insall a *.deb package?
[01:52] <maLKoc> zimba-tm: look
[01:52] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: what is your first language?
[01:52] <maLKoc> my username taner
[01:52] <maLKoc> turkish.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: I see
[01:53] <johns_> Ubuntu_user: dpkg --install name_of_package.deb
[01:53] <zimba-tm> Ubuntu_user, sudo dpkg -i yourpackage.deb
[01:53] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, are you using the command-line ?
[01:53] <maLKoc> yes
[01:53] <maLKoc> sudo -s
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Ubuntu_user: normally you don't need to if you use the package manager and repositories ...
[01:53] <maLKoc> root@ubuntu
[01:54] <maLKoc> mkdir /media/win_c
[01:54] <Ubuntu_user> thoreauputic,  yea sure, but cedega aint avaible :)
[01:54] <maLKoc> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/win_c
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Ubuntu_user: right
[01:54] <maLKoc> but i can't connect win_c
[01:55] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: are you trying to use nautilus as root? If so, don't
[01:55] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, can you paste here : rafb.net/paste   ?
[01:56] <jesus_> does anyone know about a good fxp client?
[01:56] <maLKoc> i am using windows98 now
[01:56] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, just put your console output and give me the url
[01:56] <thoreauputic> jesus_ fxp?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> or ftp ?
[01:56] <jesus_> fxp
[01:56] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, come back when you're using linux  :p
[01:56] <thoreauputic> ok
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : thanks for the suggestion on gnomebaker
[01:57] <maLKoc> zimba-tm, i am connecting from cafe
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: you're welcome - working OK?
[01:57] <maLKoc> :)
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :actually no :(
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: :(
[01:57] <maLKoc> :(
[01:58] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: what's the trouble?
[01:58] <maLKoc> i like to ubuntu but i want to my media and documans
[01:59] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, okay, it must be a user permission problem on the device but I'm not sure because you don't give enough informations
[01:59] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : it just hangs after I try to write to the cd
[02:00] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: perhaps if he pasted /etc/fstab in #flood ?
[02:00] <maLKoc> zimba-tm thank you for help me
[02:00] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: have you tried starting it from terminal to see if it shows errors?
[02:00] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :wait it appears that the 3rd time may be the charm
[02:01] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:01] <zimba-tm> thoreauputic, he's not on his os
[02:01] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, look here : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=vfat
[02:01] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: rats, yeah I forgot - sorry
[02:01] <zimba-tm> :p
[02:01] <maLKoc> okay.
[02:01] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :Do you know offhand if gnomebaker will burn shn and flac files
[02:02] <zimba-tm> thoreauputic, are you working for canonical ?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: offheand, I haven't the foggiest idea, sorry ;)
[02:02] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: no
[02:02] <Ed_Gein> its cool I read up on it
[02:02] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :although it appears to have hung at 33%
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> bah this is pissing me off
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> ** Message: exec_thread - created child
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> ** Message: exec_thread - parent created child with pid 12673
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2a662)!
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2a664)!
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2aba7)
[02:04] <zimba-tm> how could I list all graphical apps that are running ?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: Xlib - hmm - nothing to do with cdrecord then
[02:04] <maLKoc> zimba-tm, oh yes. it's okay
[02:04] <maLKoc> thanks bro.
[02:04] <claint> part
[02:05] <linforcer> yo... anyone here know how I can edit the apps menu in hoary?
[02:06] <MacPlusG3> daniels: ping
[02:07] <linforcer> anyone at all?
[02:07] <daniels> MacPlusG3: yo
[02:08] <MacPlusG3> daniels: how's things?
[02:08] <daniels> MacPlusG3: meh.  tired.
[02:08] <MacPlusG3> daniels: word on that.
[02:08] <daniels> you?
[02:08] <linforcer> according to the GNOME help I should go to "applications-all-users:///"
[02:08] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i have VGA out working on my laptop again :)
[02:08] <linforcer> but nautilus says that's not a valid location
[02:08] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: FWIW I get a bunch of gtk warnings with gnomebaker, but it still works...
[02:08] <MacPlusG3> daniels: although, all that effort was for notihng - didn't have projector at presentation tonight :(
[02:09] <daniels> MacPlusG3: nice! :) with the latest xorg package, I assume?
[02:09] <daniels> MacPlusG3: ah, bugger -- I thought Evan Burge had projectors
[02:09] <daniels> MacPlusG3: (like the MMC, where you guys had LA)
[02:09] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : I'm trying to convert and burn some ogg files now. It appears to be working
[02:09] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i just need a few hours and my laptop is going ubuntu. currently debian sid with ubuntu xorg packages. works fine.... (the ... is /me waiting for you to scream or cry in the corner or something :)
[02:10] <MacPlusG3> daniels: yeah, it had a projector, just not the cable that would let you plug it into your laptop
[02:10] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: that's something, anyway
[02:10] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh :) as long as you say 'works fine'; if you don't, the usual both pieces disclaimer allows
[02:10] <daniels> MacPlusG3: ah, d'oh!
[02:10] <zimba-tm> linforcer, did you look at /usr/share/applications ?
[02:10] <MacPlusG3> daniels: ended up going next door (where LA was) for last talk... but too late for me.
[02:10] <daniels> MacPlusG3: yeah
[02:10] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i thought upgrading X about an hour before a presentation was a fun thing to do :)
[02:11] <daniels> heh!
[02:11] <MacPlusG3> daniels: this mergedfb thing is kind of interesting.
[02:11] <MacPlusG3> daniels: esp when you've got an odd shaped screen (like my widescreen laptop here)
[02:12] <psr> Hi
[02:13] <SiRrUs> hello
[02:13] <MacPlusG3> daniels: you got a mobile back yet?
[02:13] <psr> I've just upgraded from Warty to Hoary, and I'm experiencing seemingly random reboots.
[02:13] <Jerub> psr: reboots are commonly caused by hardware failure.
[02:13] <Jerub> psr: have you checked your logs for unusual things?
[02:13] <psr> This doesn't happen under Warty.
[02:15] <psr> Jerub : I don't see anything in /var/log/syslog
[02:16] <Lupius> How can i check what are the numbers of my windows disk?
[02:16] <Ed_Gein> look under /mnt
[02:16] <daniels> MacPlusG3: yeah, same number as I had in December
[02:16] <daniels> MacPlusG3: and yeah, MergedFB rocks; I'm doing it on my dual-head desktop (21" CRT and 17" LCD now)
[02:17] <Lupius> Ed_Gein,  its empty ...
[02:17] <Ed_Gein> hmm
[02:17] <Jerub> psr: okay, so the log just 'stops' and then you see the bootup sequence?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Lupius:  type  sudo fdisk -l
[02:17] <psr> yes
[02:17] <thoreauputic> fdisk -l /dev/hda for example
[02:17] <Lupius> thoreauputic,  10x
[02:17] <NinDzA> why does xmms dont work? event sound is working
[02:18] <Ed_Gein> computer>disks>filesytem>mnt is empty?
[02:18] <linforcer> zimba-tm: yes all applications vare there, but if I add one there which folder will it show up in in the menu?
[02:18] <psr> Jerub : So I really don't know how to go about isolating the problem.  There's no warning, The first I know is when the screens go blank and the BIOS comes up.
[02:18] <Ed_Gein> NinDzA:what doesn't work? playing mp3's?
[02:18] <selinium_> Hi all, for some reason my machine is not authenticating the su. How do i reset it?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: if you are trying to play mp3 , see the Restricted Formats page on ubuntulinux.org or read http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:19] <NinDzA> Ed_Gein, nothing...cd player doesnt work
[02:19] <Ed_Gein> Nindza are you trying to play mp3?
[02:19] <NinDzA> no
[02:20] <NinDzA> audio from cd
[02:20] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: you probably need to enable digital output for the cd audio plugin in xmms
[02:20] <selinium_> NinDza: is your cd connected to the sound card by a small cable?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> selinium_: exactly ;-)
[02:21] <selinium_> Hi thoreauputic!
[02:21] <thoreauputic> hi
[02:21] <selinium_> I am now on Hoary!
[02:21] <NinDzA> selinium, i have integrated card
[02:21] <thoreauputic> congrats!
[02:21] <Ed_Gein> selenium how?
[02:21] <selinium_> Ed_Gein: How am i on Hoary?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: see what I said above regarding digital output
[02:21] <Ed_Gein> selinium_ :yes
[02:22] <selinium_> Ed_Gein: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary :)
[02:22] <Ed_Gein> selinium_ :yeah I tried that
[02:22] <NinDzA> thoreauputic, where ?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: NinDzA: you probably need to enable digital output for the cd audio plugin in xmms
[02:23] <selinium_>  Ed_Gein: And it didn't work?
[02:23] <BockBilbo> whats the last hoary array?
[02:23] <universal> can someone tell me how to get my geforce 6800 GT fully working with glide on ubuntu?
[02:23] <BockBilbo> array 6 released today?
[02:23] <StoffBox-Steve> hi guys
[02:24] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : would the fact that I have something "pinned" affect upgrading to hoary?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: if you got it wrong, yeah :)
[02:25] <MacPlusG3> daniels: now just to wait for composite to be fully kick-ass working cool funky stuff.
[02:25] <daniels> MacPlusG3: for it to actually be accelerated
[02:25] <MacPlusG3> daniels: that's the word :)
[02:25] <daniels> universal: glide?  you don't use glide for those sorts of cards, dude
[02:26] <StoffBox-Steve> have a Prob :( , i compile a 2.6.8.1 kernel, but when i boot the kernel: after uncompress linux ok , booting the kernel (ok) ... , nothing normaly Starting Ubuntu shows up ... but it dont come :S , someone an idear ?
[02:26] <narr> hi all
[02:26] <narr> I have an installation related problem. I'm trying to get a PC connected to the internet which has a Sitecom WL-022 USB adapter
[02:26] <NinDzA> mp3z are working...
[02:26] <narr> the card uses a prism2 chipset which is supported in linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre25 or pre26
[02:26] <selinium_> thoreauputic: you wouldn't happen to know how to reset the su?
[02:26] <narr> unluckily ubuntu warty doesn't include pre26 and it doesn't compile against the kernel sources which come with ubuntu
[02:26] <thoreauputic> reset root pass you mean?
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : I just found a file named preferences in /etc/apt it contains the following.    Package: *
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> pippin: release a=warty
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> Pin-Priority: 600
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> Package: *
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> pippin: release a=hoary
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> Pin-Priority: 10
[02:27] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: Yes, Every time i try and use su it fails to authenticate.
[02:27] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: you have hoary at a *very* low level
[02:27] <thoreauputic> selinium_: use sudo
[02:27] <thoreauputic> selinium_: with your user pass
[02:28] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: I can use sudo, but I was wondering why I cant use su... Or is that a hoary thing?
[02:28] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic: I remember making that file in order to get mplyer playing nicely with everything. should I remove it?
[02:28] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i think i'm going to catch some zzz - been long few days (weeks). later dude. let's grab beer soon
[02:28] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : or change it?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> selinium_: there's no root in ubuntu by default (warty or hoary)
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: I'd get rid of it, yes
[02:29] <daniels> MacPlusG3: indeed.  is this weekend good for you?  if so, we should go belgian on saturday or sunday afternoon
[02:29] <Ed_Gein> ok
[02:29] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: ? Strange, I could use the su in warty! No worries :)
[02:29] <thoreauputic> assuming you have the hoary mplayer installed, it should work ok with the hoary update
[02:29] <Ed_Gein> if this goes haywire can I reverrt back to warty with apt-get?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> selinium_: you can set a root pass with sudo passwd root - but it isn't recommended
[02:30] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: not really
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: at least not without 1337 5k1llz ;-)
[02:31] <Jerub> Ed_Gein: sure. back up your system.
[02:31] <psr> I've just done an update, and I've got new apmd and xserver-xorg among other things.  I'll reboot and see if that changes anything
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Jerub: but that's not apt-get :)
[02:33] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: Thanks for the advice! You are the best! (probably why everyone is asking you questions!)
[02:34] <thoreauputic> selinium_: heh - I'm just a user like most others in here : intermediate at best
[02:34] <djmt> I have a question, a newbie question. When in a README file it says "Run ./configure" how do you do that?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> but thanks for the compliment :)
[02:34] <Jerub> djmt: ./configure
[02:34] <djmt> In the terminal? It doesn't work...
[02:34] <Jerub> djmt: open a terminal, go to the correct directory, and type ./configure<enter>
[02:34] <Ed_Gein> damn
[02:35] <kzm> djmt: there should exist a shell script named "configure".  The ./ just makes sure you don't run any other program named "configure" in your path.
[02:35] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: credit where its due! :)
[02:35] <Jerub> djmt: what? does it sit on the couch all day? refuse to get a job?
[02:36] <djmt> It sits there and plays Nintendo games all day!!
[02:36] <djmt> Yes! Nintendo!
[02:36] <Jerub> I have a gamecube too
[02:37] <selinium_> With Nautilus.. how do you put a launcher on the tool bar in hoary:?
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> wtf?
[02:37] <selinium_> Run apt-get again!
[02:37] <psr> OK, so that hasn't fixed it, it restarted again during bootup.
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> I've run apt-get update 3 times
[02:38] <selinium_> Ok you must have duplicates in your sources.list
[02:38] <djmt> Anyway, I'm trying to turn on the GUI for MPlayer... and I'm wondering if I have to run 'configure' before it compiles.
[02:39] <psr> The last message I saw was something about loading ACPI modules.  Could that cause spontaneous reboots?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: umm... what's with the upper cse P in Packages?
[02:39] <kzm> btw, is it a good idea to choose dist-upgrade to be default in synaptic?
[02:39] <BiGBuG> hi everyone!
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: that doesn't even look like a proper source url
[02:40] <BiGBuG> is there someone that can help me to configure my asus a2826 notebook wirless card?
[02:40] <SiRrUs> not the one in ubuntuguide anyway ;)
[02:40] <djmt> BiGBuG: Have you tried ndiswrapper?
[02:40] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :beats the hell out of me
[02:41] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: BTW for future reference please don't paste in the channel
[02:41] <Ed_Gein> I didn't put it there
[02:41] <BiGBuG> dmjt: :( it seems that
[02:41] <Ed_Gein> sorry
[02:41] <BiGBuG> dmjt: there aren't drivers for wireless
[02:41] <SiRrUs> Ed_Gein try www.ubuntuguide.org and follow the directions
[02:41] <djmt> Big: You should at least have Windows drivers for Wireless..
[02:41] <Ed_Gein> SiRrUs :thanks, I'll try that again
[02:42] <BiGBuG> dmjt: I have CD driver of my notebook, but driver are compressed
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: I think your sources.list is fubar
[02:42] <BiGBuG> dmjt: and no .inf is disposable...
[02:42] <djmt> Have you looked online?
[02:42] <selinium_> Ed_Gein: you can have my sources.list
[02:42] <Ed_Gein> I'm going to rename tsource.list again and creat a new file with the text from ubuntuguide
[02:43] <BiGBuG> yes, on asus site, but links to drivers are broken
[02:43] <selinium_> Ed_Gein: That will work!
[02:43] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: I wonder if your pinning adventure has wrecked your apt configuration somehow?
[02:44] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :It might have.But I just followed the directions found on the wiki/forums
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: no doubt - but it's easy to miss something: for instance when I first installed I thought I had uncommented universe but on closer inspection found I'd missed some other lines: result was "uninstallable packages"
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Once corrected all was well
[02:47] <no0tic> hi
[02:47] <selinium_> HI
[02:47] <no0tic> I've a problem sharing cups printers within my LAN (server & client both running ubuntu hoary)
[02:48] <no0tic> from clients I can't access the server
[02:48] <thoreauputic> gotta go - good night all !
[02:49] <Ed_Gein> selinium_ : are you still around
[02:49] <djmt> Synaptic doesn't install a GUI MPlayer, right?
[02:50] <Ed_Gein> djmt: you have to choose the gui for mplayer
[02:51] <Ed_Gein> anyone running hoary?
[02:51] <eruin> any of you know a nice way to move my /home to a different partition ?
[02:51] <djmt> Ed: gmplayer says it was compiled without GUI options..
[02:52] <Jerub> eruin: log out of everything, control-alt-f2, log in, sudo cp -a /home /newpartition/ ; sudo mv /home/ /home-old ; sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /home
[02:54] <langela> hi
[02:54] <Ed_Gein> this is screwed
[02:54] <membreya-aWay> Jerub: but does that automount as home each time ? I suppose you would just add it to fstab?
[02:54] <langela> well, i don't speak english but i'm gonna try to explain me
[02:55] <Jerub> membreya-aWay: yes, well, editing fstab is also necessery.
[02:55] <Jerub> those were just the steps to gettings home in the right place.
[02:55] <eruin> Jerub: that easy? thanks
[02:55] <eruin> :)
[02:55] <eruin> I've got my fstab set up, I was just wondering if any special trickery was needed to actually move the data
[02:55] <langela> after i install ubutu, y install with synaptic kde, but now the sound doesn't work, the output is: "error while initializing the sound driver
[02:55] <langela> device:default can't be opened for playback(device or resource busy)
[02:55] <langela> the sound server will continue,using the null output device"
[02:56] <langela> cat anybody help me???? please!!!
[02:56] <evarlast> langela: warty or hoary?
[02:57] <langela> warty
[02:57] <evarlast> langela: you type very good english.
[02:57] <evarlast> langela: what kind of sound chip?  Do you know?
[02:57] <langela> thanks!!
[02:57] <Jerub> eruin: cp -a preserves permissions
[02:57] <langela> no, i don't know!
[02:57] <langela> in fact, the sound works before i'd install kde
[02:57] <langela> later, it doesn't work
[02:58] <Ed_Gein> anyone here running hoary?
[02:58] <evarlast> langela: AH!  must be kde's arts conflicting with some other sound system.  In the KDE Control Center, under Sound, uncheck the "Sound Server" option
[02:58] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: I run haory.  Why?
[02:59] <Ed_Gein> evarlast : would you mind checking my souces.list in #ed
[02:59] <d> hi!
[02:59] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: sure, paste away
[02:59] <Ed_Gein> done
[03:00] <isakn> Tell me, what is it that is so fantastic about this distribution? does it have any really good things, like extreme stability, a package system like debian or what? :)
[03:00] <langela> evarlast : and then what???
[03:00] <evarlast> langela: try again?
[03:00] <d> I installed Hoary Array3 and now my XP partition won't boot, despite still being readable under Linux- any ideas?
[03:01] <langela> well, actually i'm not at home now, but i'm taking note what you said!!
[03:01] <isakn> have you perhaps done something to your boot loader?
[03:01] <isakn> or the bootloader file? (i cant remember the name of that - a long time since i've used linux :()
[03:02] <d> isakn: grub seems to be setup correctly
[03:02] <isakn> Hmm.. i almost can't help you, but when you boot up does it show a screen where you can choose or something?
[03:03] <langela> so, uncheck the sound server, and it works???
[03:03] <d> isakn: yes, I can boot into Linux OK from grub, but XP doesn't get anywhere
[03:03] <isakn> ela) so, uncheck the sound server, and it works???
[03:03] <isakn> (15:03:29) (d) isakn: yes, I can boot into Linux OK from grub, but XP doesn't get anywhere
[03:03] <isakn> bah, im sorry - 2sek
[03:03] <isakn> i dont know if http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ can help you :)
[03:04] <tweek> hi
[03:04] <isakn> hi, tweek.
[03:04] <isakn> :)
[03:04] <tweek> :)
[03:04] <d> So nobody else in here had Array3 mess up their Windows partition?
[03:05] <langela> but, the sound in the konsole works normally, the others not!
[03:05] <tweek> do i jsut do format /dev/hda/ to format? o.0
[03:05] <Ed_Gein> isakn: how are your hd set up
[03:05] <Ed_Gein> I'm sorry
[03:05] <isakn> oh, alright :)
[03:05] <Ed_Gein> D:how are your hd set up
[03:06] <evarlast> tweek: no.  fdisk & mkfs
[03:06] <isakn> a couple of partitions - but im on xp, i dont have linux at this time :(
[03:06] <tweek> thanks evarlast
[03:06] <d> ed: hda1=XP, hda2=Linux root, hdb1=/home
[03:06] <Ed_Gein> I'll never understand why people don't use seperate hd for dual booting
[03:06] <d> hda3=swap
[03:07] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: because it is really not necessary if you know what you are doing.
[03:07] <Ed_Gein> I know
[03:07] <Ed_Gein> but it seems so much cleaner to me
[03:07] <d> ed: I don't have any room for a 3rd HD
[03:08] <eruin> can anyone tell me what drwxrwsr-x is in chmod-terms?
[03:08] <d> Can't afford one anyway
[03:08] <tweek> i keep geting "unable to open /dev/hda"
[03:09] <langela> evarlast : thanks for the help!
[03:09] <d> I really think this will be something I'd have to do under Windows, maybe from the XP recovery mode, booting off the install CD.
[03:09] <aristocrat> my fellow ubuntu men, could some one pass me a mkinitrd script which modifies the initrd ;)
[03:09] <evarlast> eruin: the chmod man page tells you in detail that the d means directory, the first rwx means read, write, execute, for the owner of teh file, teh second rwx means teh same for the group owner of the file, and the r-x means read, execute for all others.
[03:10] <Jerub> hmm.
[03:10] <evarlast> d: what is the problem?  so far you have just said array3 gives you problems
[03:10] <d> evarlast: After installing array3, grub doesn't boot XP
[03:10] <evarlast> d: but it boots linux?
[03:10] <langela> bye
[03:11] <langela> \q
[03:11] <evarlast> langela: you are welcome, good bye
[03:11] <d> evar: yes, and I can still read the XP partition undr Linux
[03:11] <d> evar: The grub menu.lst is setup correctly, thats not the problem
[03:11] <evarlast> d: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar enough with grub to help.  I'm actually using lilo w/ubuntu right now, because grub doesn't like my 3ware card.
[03:13] <Ed_Gein> After upadating to hoary is it nescesary to add the restricted formats repo to sources.list
[03:13] <eruin> if you want restricted formats
[03:13] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: it is not NECESSARY, but it is also no harm.
[03:13] <eyequeue> only if you want what is in there
[03:14] <Ed_Gein> lol at my spelling
[03:14] <Ed_Gein> I knew it looked wrong
[03:14] <d> OK, I'm thinking of booting off the XP install CD and running the 'fixmbr' prog, which MIGHT sort it out, but then what do I do under Linux to re-install grub?
[03:15] <evarlast> lol, I didn't even notice. I was just trying to stress necessary as if I were using it in speech.
[03:15] <Ed_Gein> lol
[03:15] <Ed_Gein> where's spellcheck when I need it
[03:15] <Odin2347> i feel running outside and singing
[03:15] <Odin2347> i feel like*
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> why so happy?
[03:16] <Odin2347> i just wiped windows and installed ubuntu and...MY WIRELESS CARD ACTUALLY WORKS!
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> lol
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> congrats
[03:16] <Odin2347> its currently downloading and updating all the apps
[03:16] <isakn> omg, i would like to run out and scream with you Odin2347 :D
[03:16] <Odin2347> hehe
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> if it wasn't for splinter cell windows would be gone from my life
[03:16] <Odin2347> ubuntu is about the 10th distro ive tried too
[03:16] <isakn> i couldnt make my wireless work at the time i had linux
[03:17] <Odin2347> i think splinter cell works with cedega
[03:17] <isakn> ive never tried it, but it seems as if it's all booming up right at this time? or am i wrong?
[03:17] <Ed_Gein> ubuntu really is a dream
[03:17] <isakn> but cedega costs money
[03:17] <Odin2347> eh
[03:17] <Odin2347> only $5 a month
[03:17] <Odin2347> so have to buy 3 months
[03:17] <Odin2347> so you spend $15
[03:17] <Ed_Gein> last time I checked splinter cell didn't work
[03:17] <Odin2347> download it
[03:17] <Odin2347> and keep it
[03:17] <isakn> alright alright, its not many money, but im under 18 so i dont have a creditcard yet :(
[03:17] <Odin2347> ill check
[03:18] <Ed_Gein> I paid the 15 after reading that farcry worked
[03:18] <Ed_Gein> what a joke
[03:18] <Chipzz> isakn: have you bothered trying wine proper?
[03:18] <Jerub> emulation sucks :(
[03:18] <Jerub> buy an xbox and a tv tuner card.
[03:18] <Chipzz> Jerub: like hell it doesn't
[03:18] <Ed_Gein> on my 3000+ 1gb ram and 6800gt oc I was getting like 5 frames asecond
[03:18] <Jerub> Chipzz: was that a sarcastic double negative?
[03:19] <Chipzz> isakn: for some games wine proper even works better than winex
[03:19] <Odin2347> LOL
[03:19] <Odin2347> 5 frames a second on that?!
[03:19] <Odin2347> i get like 20 on my FX5200
[03:19] <Chipzz> Jerub: no, it was a sarcastic negative :P
[03:19] <Ed_Gein> it was pretty much unplayable
[03:19] <Odin2347> :/
[03:19] <isakn> Chipzz yes, i have tried wine
[03:19] <isakn> very much indeed
[03:20] <daniels> guys, can we please not have long discussions about slagging off wine/winex/crossover in here?  there are plenty of wine channels
[03:20] <eyequeue> thanks
[03:20] <Jerub> Chipzz: even so, please rephrase, I don't actually know what you mean.
[03:20] <isakn> daniels what do you want to discuss then?
[03:20] <Chipzz> Jerub: emulation sure as hell does NOT suck
[03:20] <Odin2347> you should just buy native linux games
[03:20] <isakn> nobodys asking about problems right now.
[03:20] <eyequeue> isakn:  ubuntu would be okay with me :)
[03:20] <Odin2347> UT2004 on linux is great
[03:20] <Chipzz> it's just hard to get right
[03:21] <daniels> isakn: leave it open for support.  having the channel flooded with random 'transgaming sux, i hate it' discourages people who would otherwise ask support questions.
[03:21] <psr> Hi, does anyone know anything about Grub?  My config seems to have got messed up when I updated Hoary, and now I can't get back into Warty.
[03:21] <Jerub> Chipzz: I've never had anything but troubles.
[03:21] <Ed_Gein> ut2k4 is great on linux
[03:21] <Odin2347> yea
[03:21] <Odin2347> so is doom 3
[03:21] <daniels> isakn: psr's problem for once
[03:21] <daniels> s/once/one/
[03:21] <Jerub> Chipzz: and I finished starcraft:broodwar under linux, played fallout2 most of the way through, run acrobat for windows under linux, etc.
[03:21] <Chipzz> Jerub: I guess it depends on the apps you try
[03:21] <Ed_Gein> I never got sound working on doom3
[03:21] <Odin2347> :/
[03:21] <daniels> psr: so you have warty and hoary dual-booting, or?
[03:21] <Jerub> Chipzz: i've *always* spend *days* setting up shit.
[03:21] <isakn> daniels i see your point :)
[03:21] <Jerub> and it never works as easily as you want it to.
[03:22] <isakn> Jerub: Odin2347 and so on - #cedega :)
[03:22] <eyequeue> isakn:  if you really want to help with something, you could get my sound working finally, heh
[03:22] <theine> Jerub: like what?
[03:22] <psr> daniels : Yes.  I wanted to switch to Hoary, but I'm suffering random reboots, so I'd like to switch back to Hoary, only now all the entries in my boot menu point at Hoary.  Its like a bad dream I can't wake up from :-)
[03:23] <isakn> eyequeue whats up with it?
[03:23] <Lupius> Why i cant mount my 2nd windows drive?
[03:23] <eyequeue> isakn:  no clue, it's never worked, and not on the list of laptops on the wiki
[03:23] <psr> daniels : switch back to Warty even.
[03:23] <isakn> psr i didnt understand that, you tried switching to Hoary, but you suffered random reboots and wanted to switch back?
[03:23] <isakn> oh, alright :d
[03:23] <CarlK> where are some docs about hoary-install-i386/install/netboot
[03:23] <isakn> whats the name of it eyequeue?
[03:24] <eyequeue> isakn:  it's probably not a simple fix, so if you don't have time now, that's fine btw
[03:24] <Ubuntian> i missed some lines: splinter cell works on linux?
[03:24] <eyequeue> isakn:  name of the laptop?
[03:24] <theine> Lupius: how did you try to mount it?
[03:24] <daniels> psr: press Esc when the GRUB menu comes up (or hides), press e once, then down, then e again.  in the line that comes up, change root=/dev/hdaX to whatever your Warty root partition is, then run sudo update-grub, once you're in the Warty system.
[03:24] <isakn> or the soundcard
[03:24] <evarlast> isakn: what kernel version/build are you using.  I've heard some rather unstable ones were put out in hoary.
[03:24] <isakn> i would like to try helping somebody for once :D
[03:24] <Ed_Gein> Ubuntian : it didn't the last time I checked
[03:25] <psr> daniels : Thanks.
[03:25] <isakn> evarlast no linux atm, im downloading ubuntu right now, though
[03:25] <eyequeue> isakn:  it's a  gateway 4530gz
[03:25] <CarlK> eyequeue - here are some tips: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:25] <isakn> alright
[03:25] <Lupius> theine, normlay... i gust checked out that i have forget to make the /media/windows1 dir :)
[03:25] <CarlK> but that page needs lots of help
[03:25] <daniels> psr: no worries, good luck
[03:25] <isakn> i've just heard alot about ubuntu in these times, and i though it would be interesting to try :)
[03:25] <psr> eyB
[03:26] <isakn> its along time since ive had linux - i really miss playing around with something in the terminal :):)))))
[03:26] <Ed_Gein> isakn:give it a try
[03:26] <isakn> does it have any special good things?
[03:26] <Ed_Gein> I've tried dozens of distros and this is the best by far
[03:26] <isakn> alright
[03:26] <Ed_Gein> apt-get
[03:26] <isakn> alright - i know that one :)
[03:26] <Ed_Gein> painless install
[03:26] <Ubuntian> it's a lot better that mandrake that's for sure
[03:26] <evarlast> its debian based, but up to date and provides a refined user experience in comparison to debian and most other distro
[03:27] <Ed_Gein> the people are pleasant
[03:27] <Ed_Gein> although that will change as it grows
[03:27] <Ed_Gein> :(
[03:27] <evarlast> I wouldn't say it is a lot better than MDK.  It is certainly better than MDK if you prefer a gnome desktop.
[03:27] <CarlK> isakn - Ubuntu is very good at detecting hardware
[03:27] <Chipzz> evarlast: how does debian not provide a refined user experience?
[03:27] <Ubuntian> i had gnome on MDK
[03:27] <Jerub> Chipzz: ubuntu babys you more
[03:27] <eyequeue> isakn:  0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:28] <isakn> it really sounds good :).. i've had fedora along time ago, and some other small distros - but then i just gave up, when i got wireless internet :(
[03:28] <CarlK> so no one knows what this netboot/ dir is for?
[03:28] <Ubuntian> installing the nvidia drivers in MDK is not for the beginners
[03:28] <welly> Hello guys, does anyone know of an application or patch or other that'll let you hide the boot up sequence under an image?
[03:28] <Ubuntian> it took me 3 minutes in Ubuntu
[03:28] <theine> isakn: which wireless card do you have?
[03:28] <djmt> IS there such a thing as 'unmake'? :P
[03:28] <Chipzz> evarlast: once you got debian set up, it's as easy as ubuntu ;)
[03:29] <Chipzz> Ubuntu is just easier to install :)
[03:29] <welly> found one - bootsplash
[03:29] <evarlast> Chipzz: Debian does very little to make things easy to use.  Debian says: edit this config file using your favorite editor.  And debian seems to think this is fine.  Other distributions try to provide tools to make common tasks easy.
[03:29] <eyequeue> djmt:  make clean perhaps?
[03:29] <Chipzz> evarlast: which is mostly one-time things
[03:29] <isakn> theine arh.. i really cant remember, but i just drilled a hole in my wall so there can go a netcable through it - it's very annoying with the wireless cause it was very unstable at times too..
[03:29] <evarlast> Chipzz: debian is an excellent distribution.  I've run it on a single server since 1998
[03:30] <theine> isakn: oh i see
[03:30] <Chipzz> though I must admit that the network administration thing is nice
[03:30] <CarlK> isakn  - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:30] <Chipzz> evarlast: I have used it on my desktop for over 2 years
[03:31] <Ed_Gein> ruhroh, something just failed onmy upgrade
[03:31] <CarlK> another page that is very incomplete
[03:31] <Ed_Gein> execution scheduler?
[03:31] <djmt> I'm trying to view Xvid movies in fullscreen. Any suggestions?
[03:31] <Jerub> djmt: 'xine'
[03:31] <Chipzz> evarlast: ubuntu among other things does install some packages that are also in debian but that don't get installed by default
[03:31] <Jerub> djmt: 'f' for fullscreen
[03:31] <Ed_Gein> mplayer
[03:31] <theine> Chipzz: Actually I'm quite sure that any of the Ubuntu developers will agree with you that Debian is an excellent distribution...
[03:32] <djmt> Jerub: f in xine?
[03:32] <Jerub> djmt: yes.
[03:32] <isakn> eyequeue hmm.. i cant seem to find anythinig about it, unfortunatelyt :(
[03:32] <Chipzz> Ubuntu is in some ways more polished then debian, especially the admin applications
[03:32] <Ubuntian> well that's why they based ubuntu on it
[03:32] <eyequeue> isakn:  thanks anyway mate
[03:32] <aljo^> hy
[03:33] <Chipzz> and Ubuntu has more recent gnome packages :)
[03:33] <djmt> Jerub: Thanks, I'll try that. mplayer is giving me all sorts of problems.
[03:33] <evarlast> Chipzz: I understand.  I'm glad we agree.
[03:33] <aljo^> any1 know how to add parameters to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:33] <aljo^> ?
[03:33] <isakn> i tried the ALSA webpage, and some google - but it seems it isnt supported by alsa yet i think.
[03:33] <aljo^> i need to add this export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0
[03:33] <isakn> CarlK i think its there, the Netgear WG511 - its not supported out of the box, but it should work :)
[03:33] <Chipzz> but debian can be quite polished if you want it too ;)
[03:33] <Chipzz> it's just more effort :)
[03:33] <membreya-aWay> anyone know why I'm getting the following error when I
[03:33] <membreya-aWay> m trying to compile something:
[03:33] <membreya-aWay> lavpipe.c: In function `close_segment_inputs':
[03:33] <membreya-aWay> lavpipe.c:585: error: label at end of compound statement
[03:33] <evarlast> Chipzz: i.e. you have to polish debian yourself, but it provides nice tools to polish it with.
[03:33] <Chipzz> and debian and ubuntu benefit _mutually_ :)
[03:34] <thenuke> Chipzz: yup, ubuntu is just polished by default a bit :)
[03:34] <evarlast> Chipzz: I dunno, do you think debian will ever get Xorg?  ;)
[03:34] <Ubuntian> for linux to conquer windows users it must be idiotproof, Ubuntu manages that
[03:34] <Chipzz> evarlast: yes, after sarge
[03:34] <Ed_Gein> couple years
[03:34] <Chipzz> evarlast: you should remember debian has a different scope from Ubuntu
[03:34] <CarlK> isakn - one of my cards was listed as "yes/no" or something, and the hoary install set it up perfectly
[03:34] <aljo^> anybody knows?
[03:35] <isakn> thats nice!
[03:35] <aljo^> i need to add: export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0, to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:35] <Chipzz> debian is just more focussed on stability IMHO
[03:35] <aljo^> how can i add this?
[03:35] <evarlast> Chipzz: that is exactly what I am remembering and stating.
[03:35] <Chipzz> debian also runs on a lot more architectures than ubuntu
[03:36] <Toadstool> hi
[03:36] <Chipzz> that's luggage it drags along
[03:36] <Ed_Gein> after upgrading to hoary do I need to configure anything for x.org
[03:37] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: does your X work?  if yes, then no, else yes.
[03:37] <aljo^> how can i add export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0 to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:37] <isakn> eyequeue http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=.&chip=440MX%2C+i810%2C+i810%2C+i810E%2C+i820%2C+i820&module=intel8x0#Inst - there as install instruction for some other intel cards, but im not sure its working for you
[03:37] <Ed_Gein> evarlast : it hasn't finished yet. I was just trying to cover nay bases before the time comes
[03:37] <isakn> but what harm can it do to try :)?
[03:38] <Chipzz> but when I install debian I always just install the base system, and then pull in additional packages manually with apt-get install :P
[03:38] <Odin2347> ahh i need help
[03:38] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: mine migrate itself.
[03:38] <Ubuntian> apt-get doesn't work in other distros outside Debian/Ubuntu?
[03:38] <Toadstool> i'd like to test trac with my ubuntu before installing it on my svn server but the python2.3-subversion package is yet not available under Hoary. Is there any chance that it'll be released one day ?
[03:39] <Ubuntian> does it?
[03:39] <CarlK> apt-get works undr RH
[03:39] <Odin2347> my wireless card is working the drivers are loaded after i installed it it updated all the packages but i cant browse the web?!!?!
[03:39] <evarlast> Ubuntian: its not the default/prefered package system in other distro's, except fink on OSX
[03:39] <aljo^> can anybody help?
[03:39] <Ed_Gein> Ubuntian :there's slapt-get for slack and I think a version for mandrake as well
[03:39] <aljo^> how can i add export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0 to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:40] <Ubuntian> k
[03:40] <CarlK> Odin2347 - is your card on this page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:41] <Ed_Gein> Mail
[03:41] <Odin2347> yes it is
[03:41] <CarlK> good start.. which one?
[03:41] <Odin2347> dlink g520
[03:42] <piratePenguin> umm.. In my infinite wisdom, I removed my root password string from /etc/shaddow and replaced it with a space, hoping that root would have ' ' as a password (just so a friend can use the pc.. he wouldn't be online or fcuk anything up)... anyhow, once I logged out as root I can't log back in.. I kinda disabled sudo aswell so how am I gonna fix this up? (If I could edit /etc/passwd I could replace roots 'x' with a ' ', I know that now)
[03:42] <Ed_Gein> rebuiling the database this may take some time
[03:42] <Ed_Gein> time for some coffee
[03:43] <CarlK> Odin2347 - for kicks, open a term and do dmesg|less
[03:43] <Odin2347> eh what does that do
[03:43] <CarlK> look for where the drivers get loaded - my dlink 650 had some funny stuff
[03:43] <Odin2347> okk
[03:43] <Odin2347> during the install it wasnt able to automatically configure DCHP
[03:43] <Ed_Gein> I hope that saying yes to all of htese questions isn't going to hose my system
[03:44] <Odin2347> DHCP***
[03:44] <Ubuntian> what does it take for a software that works only on windows to work on linux? the sourcecode and then compile? or..?
[03:44] <CarlK> Ubuntian - check out wine
[03:44] <Toadstool> piratePenguin: do you have a Knoppix cd somewhere ? If so reboot with knoppix mount your root disk then chroot to it and use passwd as if you were logged as root under your ubuntu
[03:44] <aljo^> can anybody help me?
[03:44] <aljo^> please
[03:44] <Ubuntian> i've heard wine has many flaws
[03:44] <Ed_Gein> should I be worried about this?
[03:45] <Ed_Gein> WARNING: Failed to parse default value `(??????-?,???????)' for schema (/schemas/apps/gnome-terminal/global/active_encodings)
[03:45] <bzbb> Ubuntian, if you drink too much, you fall over
[03:45] <piratePenguin> (Toadstool): all I have is the ubuntu live cd.. would that work?
[03:45] <CarlK> Ubuntian - it does, but it works pretty good for some
[03:46] <Ubuntian> let's say i have the sourcecode, can i make it work on linux for sure?
[03:46] <Toadstool> piratePenguin: yes i suppose it will as far as you can run a linux system with root privelegies it should work
[03:47] <piratePenguin> (Toadstool): k, thanks
[03:47] <Ubuntian> nobody?
[03:47] <CarlK> Ubuntian - if you have all the libaries, yes
[03:47] <evarlast> Ubuntian: sourcecode to waht?  any program?  sure, you may have to rewrite 99.999% of it, but you can make it work.
[03:47] <Odin2347> CarlK: i get IRQ1-->1 IRQ2 -> 2 etc etc..
[03:48] <aljo^> how can i add export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0 to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:48] <CarlK> hmm, I spoke too fast.... - you need the libaries for the OS you are compiling for (right?)
[03:48] <aljo^> ?!
[03:48] <membreya> does anyone here know the command convert and where I can get it ?
[03:48] <Toadstool> please help ! does anybody know if the python2.3-subversion package is up to be released soon for Hoary ?
[03:48] <membreya> it's used for resizing images
[03:48] <CarlK> membreya - I do...
[03:48] <CarlK> membreya image-magick
[03:48] <piratePenguin> I have a computer here with only one IDE bus on the mobo.. and I have an IDE cable with 2 port things for my cdrom + harddrive... anyhow, does my harddrive *have* to be master and the cdrom slave in order to boot (ie, not get a kernel panic)
[03:48] <membreya> aaah awesome, thanks CarlK :)
[03:49] <CarlK> ;)
[03:49] <HcE> piratePenguin: no
[03:49] <HcE> piratePenguin: I have my harddrive as hdc and a CD-ROM as hda
[03:49] <membreya> just trying to set everything up for avidemux :) ....gawd.. I think I'm going to have to create a new panel..my top one is almost full of shortcuts :|
[03:49] <HcE> <-- sata
[03:49] <piratePenguin> (HcE): hmm.. I guess I better try it again ... thanks
[03:50] <HcE> piratePenguin: check that grub is correct before you try to reboot :)
[03:50] <piratePenguin> (HcE): should it work for IDE too?
[03:50] <piratePenguin> (HcE): oh yea, heh, thanks
[03:50] <HcE> yes
[03:50] <membreya> HcE: you can always edit grub at boot :P
[03:50] <evarlast> piratePenguin: how old of a computer?  many old IDE CDROM drives did not like to be master w/ a slave HD on the same channel
[03:51] <Odin2347> when i type dmesg|less is this right IRQ1-->1 IRQ2--->2 etc etc
[03:51] <HcE> membreya: of course, but it's better to get it right the first time
[03:51] <piratePenguin> it's not too old.. it's an IQON pc... a tiny yoke
[03:51] <membreya> :)
[03:51] <piratePenguin> one a thse small pc's
[03:53] <CarlK> Odin2347 - here is the funny text I thought you mignt find: "acx100: It looks like you've been coaxed into buying a wireless network card that uses the mysterious ACX100/ACX111 chip from Texas Instruments.
[03:53] <CarlK> "
[03:53] <membreya> subliminal messages in dmesg CarlK :P
[03:53] <Odin2347> lol
[03:54] <membreya> hoary works perfectly with my ACX111 chipset'd card :)
[03:54] <Odin2347> my router doesnt show me as connected
[03:54] <CarlK> mine too
[03:54] <Odin2347> only my brothers windows px
[03:54] <Odin2347> pc*
[03:54] <Odin2347> the light on the back of the wireless card is lit
[03:54] <Odin2347> its shown under device manager
[03:54] <Odin2347> and the drivers are loaded
[03:54] <Odin2347> wlan ath_pci and ath_hal
[03:55] <membreya> god...so many updates going thru, downloaded 100mb this morning...another 15mb now
[03:55] <Odin2347> but i cant browse the web
[03:55] <CarlK> Odin2347 - you are very close... im doing 4 other things, so im pretty distracted
[03:55] <Odin2347> :/
[03:55] <Odin2347> ok
[03:55] <Toadstool> :'( last attempt : does anybody know if the python2.3-subversion package will be released soon for Hoary ?
[03:55] <CarlK> like trying to fiugre out how to install from an FTP/web/lanthing server
[03:56] <membreya> image magick is taking forever to compile :|
[03:56] <CarlK> membreya - there should be a apt-get package for it
[03:56] <membreya> finally..a program that's compiled from go to woah without erroring out
[03:57] <membreya> don't tell me that now CarlK :P
[03:57] <Odin2347> im getting tempted to install windows again
[03:57] <Odin2347> 2 weeks and 11 distros and still no wireless
[03:58] <Odin2347> with an atheros card that shows up as "working out of the box" on every distros hardware database
[03:58] <mlambie> is there any way i can increase the size each button takes on the bottom panel? they're tiny, width wise (in hoary)
[03:58] <membreya> Odin2347: what distro of ubuntu are you using?
[03:58] <Toadstool> Odin2347: have you tried ndiswrapper with your win drivers ?
[03:58] <membreya> mlambie
[03:58] <membreya> right click on the notification panel
[03:58] <membreya> between your icons
[03:58] <membreya> and your show desktop button
[03:58] <membreya> go to preferences
[03:58] <mjr> Odin2347, do you have the linux-restricted-modules package corresponding to your kernel?
[03:58] <membreya> and change minimum width
[03:58] <mjr> (or what was the name, something like that anyway)
[03:58] <mlambie> membreya, ahh, thanks
[03:58] <theine> membreya: it's in both warty and hoary and it's called imagemagick...
[03:59] <membreya> theine: just finished compiling and installing :)
[03:59] <membreya> hey I'm running a 64bit version of hoary.. I like things to be painful
[03:59] <theine> membreya: well, if you prefer to not have your software installation tracked by a package manager...
[04:00] <membreya> theine: getting a 200gb SATA drive..trying to decide if I should wipe my existing 120gb and just start all over :)
[04:00] <membreya> have the 200gb as a downloads drive
[04:00] <membreya> 120gb as system
[04:00] <theine> You should really look into apt-get/synaptic if you haven't done so already -- it's great
[04:01] <membreya> thankfully I always have make uninstall to fall back on :)
[04:01] <theine> sure, but still
[04:01] <membreya> I know I should be using synaptic..but I've been playing with my system all night..head's a bit fried
[04:02] <membreya> but thankfully I've got transcoding all working with a pretty gui...windows no longer has a lifeline / get out of jail free card
[04:02] <Odin2347> mjr i have no idea
[04:03] <mjr> Odin2347, well, the atheros driver is in there, so check
[04:04] <daejavu> how can i add programmes to run in the startup ?  and how can i control services that run in the begingin ?
[04:04] <membreya> daejavu: if you're referring to gnome, go to System > Preferences > Sessions
[04:05] <Odin2347> mjr how do i check
[04:06] <mlambie> did anyone else find their fonts were really blurry when they upgraded to hoary?
[04:06] <daejavu> membreya: roger lemme check
[04:07] <mlambie> I seem to have two different drivers loaded for my network card: e100 and eepro100. this doesn't seem right? I'm getting poor throughput on the interface. both are loaded by mii
[04:08] <da_bon_bon> please HELP mw!
[04:09] <da_bon_bon> my apt speed is pathetic - 2kbps - 3kbps!
[04:09] <da_bon_bon> wat do i do ?
[04:09] <mjr> Odin2347, from synaptic
[04:09] <mjr> Odin2347, look for packages with restricted in the name
[04:09] <mjr> going now
[04:09] <membreya> da_bon_bon: how are your other speeds?
[04:09] <membreya> remembering a big update went thru
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> membreya: all others are fast.
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> usually i used to get 12kbps to 13kbps on apt
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> but now no! from some 7days
[04:11] <membreya> i cry cos I only get 100kb/s on apt :(
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> better than 2kbps!
[04:12] <tritium> mlambie, maybe you don't like font anti-aliasing
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> membreya: which mirror do u use ?
[04:12] <membreya> erm ....all of them ? :) I use all mirrors listed on ubuntuguide
[04:13] <membreya> plus I have a marillat repo bookmarked in firefox cos it has lots of amd64 builds
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> membreya: how do i setup apt to use mirrors ?
[04:14] <membreya> da_bon_bon: edit your etc/apt/sources.list
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> membreya: and add what ? can u post your sources.list on www.pastebin.com ?
[04:15] <membreya> da_bon_bon: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:16] <isakn> would 10gb room be enough for Ubuntu? Plus stuff like programs, etc. :)?
[04:16] <esher> are there a port of new kvirc 3.2.x for ubuntu outhere ?
[04:16] <daejavu> membreya: thanks dude .,... it works ! =)
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> membreya: i asked mirrors, not repos!
[04:17] <membreya> sorry da_bon_bon :) I just have the most repo's available
[04:17] <membreya> daejavu: np
[04:17] <da_bon_bon> membreya: and which /mirror/ do u use ?
[04:18] <LinuxJones> isakn, yeah 10 gig is fine
[04:19] <LinuxJones> isakn, really it depends on how much space you need for your personal files
[04:19] <Odin2347> can anyone
[04:19] <Laibsch> Hi, I just downloaded and burned ubuntu live CD. Now that I popped it in to try it out, it gives me a grub boot prompt.  hmm.  Doesn't appear to be so friendly for trying out ubuntu.  What do I need to type to fire things up?
[04:19] <Odin2347> help me with my wireless
[04:19] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, what kind of card do you have ?
[04:19] <Odin2347> dlink g520
[04:19] <membreya> da_bon_bon: I will post on the mailing list and see if I can get you an answer :)
[04:20] <plx> i think you will need ndis-wrapper drivers for this one
[04:20] <Odin2347> why?!
[04:20] <Odin2347> it should work "out of the box"
[04:20] <Odin2347> according to the hardware databse
[04:21] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, your card whould be working out of the box according to this >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/
[04:21] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, err *should*
[04:21] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, are you running hoary or warty ?
[04:21] <Buggz> I ned some help creating a route through my linux-based server, I've had a friend working on it for some time, but he couldn't make it work correctly.  My server has two network cards, where the one is connected to the outside world, and the other to my home computer.  The server gets an ip through the areas dhcp-server, and my home computer through the servers own dhcp-server.
[04:21] <da_bon_bon> membreya: thanks
[04:22] <Odin2347> warty
[04:22] <Odin2347> just installed it
[04:22] <Odin2347> it detected the card and network but couldnt auto detect dhcp
[04:22] <Odin2347> so i had to enter the info manually
[04:22] <evarlast> Buggz: did you try rusty's reliable guide?
[04:23] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, ok so the card is detected ok but dhcp is not working ?
[04:23] <Slaven> Where can I ask Cedega questions?
[04:23] <Buggz> evarlast, where do I find it?
[04:23] <HcE> when compiling a kernel with initrd, should I have cramfs as a module or built-in?
[04:23] <da_bon_bon> membreya: from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/view?searchterm=mirrors , which mirror do u use ?
[04:23] <membreya> hmmmm when I get my 200gb SATA drive, I'm going to move my downloads and vids to it ...and clear my 120gb SATA so it's all for linux system files...is there any way to increase the existing partitions or will I need to reformate
[04:23] <evarlast> Buggz: netfilter.org - google for rusty's guide site:netfilter.org
[04:23] <Slaven> membreya: parted
[04:24] <membreya> Slaven: parted will let me resize the partitions? :)
[04:24] <Buggz> okeydokey
[04:24] <Slaven> membreya: Yes.
[04:24] <Odin2347> LinuxJones: yes
[04:24] <Slaven> parted /dev/hdxx resize [start]  [stop] 
[04:24] <membreya> oh ...maybe I should use the aussie mirror da_bon_bon :)
[04:24] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, what kind or router do you have ?
[04:24] <universal> are there anyone who can tell me if their Steam counterstrike is woking without any problems?
[04:25] <jesus_> how do i run a .jar file?
[04:25] <Odin2347> dlink
[04:25] <membreya> jesus_: with java
[04:25] <Odin2347> di624
[04:25] <universal> are there anyone who can tell me if their Steam counterstrike is woking without any problems?
[04:25] <universal> with point3play
[04:25] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, there outta be some web-browser based config utility to setup your router to allow connections from your wireless nic card
[04:25] <universal> with point2play
[04:26] <Odin2347> i know
[04:26] <Odin2347> im in it now
[04:26] <Odin2347> WEP is disabled
[04:26] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, I am sure it's just some stupid checkbox :D
[04:26] <Odin2347> hmm
[04:26] <Odin2347> waht could it be :?
[04:26] <Odin2347> what*
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> membreya: maybe. but u use the normal archive.ubuntu.com mirror ?
[04:27] <jesus_> membreya:  does java come with ubuntu?
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> jesus_: no.
[04:27] <Laibsch> It looks like I was offline for a couple of minutes.  So in case anyone replied, sorry I missed it.  Can you answer again?  Sorry to bother you.
[04:27] <Laibsch> Hi, I just downloaded and burned ubuntu live CD. Now that I popped it in to try it out, it gives me a grub boot prompt.  hmm.  Doesn't appear to be so friendly for trying out ubuntu.  What do I need to type to fire things up?
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> jesus_: it can be installed though
[04:27] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, if you are using a static ip address you will probably have to set your router up to assign the same ip to the wireless nic that you have setup in the ubuntu network settings. Again dhcp usually works great most of the time :)
[04:28] <membreya> jesus_: nope, you gotta install it
[04:28] <da_bon_bon> Odin2347: head? :)
[04:28] <Odin2347> yea
[04:28] <Odin2347> no ehad
[04:28] <Odin2347> lol
[04:28] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, another nic might already have that ip address assigned maybe ?
[04:28] <universal> ..someone who have point2play?
[04:28] <Odin2347> !!!
[04:29] <Odin2347> i think thats it!
[04:29] <Odin2347> yea
[04:29] <Odin2347> i just checked
[04:29] <Odin2347> same ip as my brothers computer
[04:29] <Odin2347> :/
[04:29] <apokryphos> heh
[04:29] <Odin2347> what should i change it to?
[04:29] <Buggz> evarlast, I didn't find too much on routing
[04:29] <apokryphos> Odin2347: something like 10.0.0.50
[04:29] <evarlast> Buggz: eth0 outside, eth1 inside?
[04:30] <Buggz> other way around
[04:30] <Odin2347> Starting IP Address 	192 . 168 . 0 .
[04:30] <Odin2347> Ending IP Address 	192 . 168 . 0 .
[04:30] <Odin2347> what does that mean
[04:30] <Odin2347> its in my router configuration tool..
[04:30] <Odin2347> it goes from 100 to 199
[04:30] <da_bon_bon> Odin2347: your problem is ?
[04:31] <Odin2347> wireless card not working
[04:31] <Odin2347> i had to manually configure it
[04:31] <Odin2347> and i gave myself the same ip address as my brother
[04:31] <apokryphos> You can set a static IP from editing the /etc/network/interfaces
[04:31] <apokryphos> at least, that's how I was shown to do it
[04:32] <encKe`> morning everyone
[04:32] <encKe`> im have an issue with my Ubuntu
[04:32] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, what is your netmask 255.255.255.0 ?
[04:32] <evarlast> Buggz: perfect:  iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -i eth1 -j SNAT --to-source <yourpublicip>
[04:32] <da_bon_bon> encKe`: evening
[04:32] <encKe`> my nic wont disable
[04:32] <encKe`> sry....enable
[04:32] <membreya> da_bon_bon: just changed to aussie mirror..will let you know the speed :)
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> membreya: sure
[04:33] <Buggz> I want my server to route the internet connection gotten through eth1 to eth0, so that I can connect to the net with my home computer, too
[04:33] <encKe`> i tried to swith to dhcp and now wont accept dhcp or static
[04:33] <Odin2347> LinuxJones yes
[04:33] <membreya> da_bon_bon: ...getting 500kbs :D
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> takes fucking 3mins. to get 3mb !!
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> membreya: which mirror ? tell me fast
[04:33] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, is there a "reset to defaults" checkbox to reset to factory defaults on your router?
[04:33] <Odin2347> yea
[04:34] <funky_burma> yo?
[04:34] <Odin2347> theres a button on the back of the router that does that
[04:34] <membreya> da_bon_bon: you need to set it to the country that you're in .. I set mine to the aussie one
[04:34] <Buggz> evarlast, didn't see your writings, wil try it..
[04:34] <da_bon_bon> membreya: apt-setup ?
[04:34] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, I would do that then set ubuntu to use dhcp. I think you have something messed up in the router config.
[04:34] <evarlast> Buggz: www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO.html
[04:34] <membreya> da_bon_bon: nope...edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the archive.ubuntu.org / security.ubuntu.org with your mirror
[04:35] <Ubuntian> i installed realplayer following ubuntuguide.org, when i launch it in app/multimedia it doesn't work. I found that in the "launcher properties" the command doesn't link correctly. So i change the path to where the file "realplay" is, in home/RealPlayer/realplay and then it works perfect. But when i reboot i have to do that all over again...WTF?
[04:35] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, usually routers use dhcp and there is no need to mess around with static ip addresses
[04:35] <Buggz> how come I can't paste from clipboard in the terminal?
[04:35] <Odin2347> argh
[04:35] <membreya> Ubuntian: just be glad you can get realplayer working..doesnt work on amd64
[04:36] <apokryphos> Buggz: you can. The shortcut is probably different. It's Shift + Insert in Konsole; not sure about Gnome terminal.
[04:36] <Odin2347> but how do i configure the dhcp in ubuntu
[04:36] <olenuus> hi. i need some help, i modify "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4", but how i can save new setting:o?
[04:36] <membreya> da_bon_bon: Fetched 69.3MB in 2m0s (575kB/s) :D
[04:36] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, in console type sudo network-admin
[04:36] <redhatPT> hi there!
[04:36] <Buggz> shift+insert didn't work either
[04:36] <Odin2347> ok
[04:36] <Odin2347> before i do that im trying a live cd of mepis pro
[04:36] <evarlast> Buggz: middle mouse button?
[04:36] <Buggz> ahh, of course
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> membreya: oh FUCK!!
[04:36] <Odin2347> someone with the same wireless card as i do told me that it works out of the box in mepis pro
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> membreya: fetched 2mb in 3minutes
[04:37] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, watch the language please dude !!
[04:37] <membreya> ROFL da_bon_bon
[04:37] <Buggz> nope, no middle mouse button (not both buttons either)
[04:37] <apokryphos> evarlast: that only does the "selection" paste. Not when one has does a Ctrl + C copy. Is it different in Gnome terminal, out of interest?
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: please have a look at how serious the problem is.!
[04:37] <Ubuntian> nobody for my realplayer problem?
[04:37] <apokryphos> Buggz: check the shortcut. Look in the menus somewhere. Or, you can always just right-click.
[04:37] <evarlast> apokryphos: I dunno.
[04:37] <plx> anyone got ipod support running in rhythmbox?
[04:37] <membreya> apokryphos: he said he does that :)
[04:37] <olenuus> i need some help, i modify "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4", but how i can save new setting:o?
[04:37] <membreya> it reverts when he reboots
[04:38] <membreya> olenuus: what program are you using? :)
[04:38] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, there is no need to use that kind of language here
[04:38] <Buggz> shift+ctrl+v ;)
[04:38] <olenuus> ubuntu root terminal:P
[04:38] <membreya> urgh... olenuus did you vi, nano...what command did you use?
[04:39] <Buggz> evarlast, by public ip, do you mean the server ip from the neighborhood network, or the e.g. the ip found on whatsmyip?
[04:39] <Ubuntian> olenuus u talking to me ? (de niro style)
[04:40] <olenuus> yes i use sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:40] <membreya> olenuus: then just press CTRL+X
[04:40] <olenuus> and now i want modify my monitor refresh rate
[04:40] <membreya> and press y when it asks if you want to commit buffer
[04:40] <olenuus> 60 hhz not good:P
[04:40] <membreya> the shortcuts are down the bottom dude :)
[04:40] <membreya> 1152x864 @ 85hz
[04:40] <membreya> :D
[04:41] <oly> arghhhh :p
[04:41] <oly> some one please tell me there a way to stop ubuntu locking cd drive doors ?
[04:41] <membreya> dropped it to 75hz tho ...don't need it that high :)
[04:41] <apokryphos> oly: it should only "lock" them if the filesystem is mounted.
[04:42] <olenuus> tnx i save and i need reboot?
[04:42] <daejavu> is there programmin software/enviourment/editor  for linux  similar to Visual Basic of MS !!  i wish to make some goodies for linux ..im good in C++ and JAVA
[04:42] <oly> i have a bad cd which is continously spinning, i cant get it out cuz its in use] 
[04:42] <membreya> olenuus: just press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[04:42] <daejavu> membreya: is there programmin software/enviourment/editor  for linux  similar to Visual Basic of MS !!  i wish to make some goodies for linux ..im good in C++ and JAVA
[04:42] <apokryphos> olenuus: you shouldn't have to. You could do the above or just starx
[04:42] <oly> and my puters crawling because of it
[04:42] <apokryphos> *startx
[04:43] <Gagatan> daejavu: eclipse for example, borland has several
[04:43] <oly> can you force a cd unmount ?
[04:43] <membreya> oly: -l
[04:43] <membreya> and it's umount
[04:43] <evarlast> Buggz: yes.
[04:44] <membreya> oly: sudo umount /media/cdrom0/ -l
[04:44] <Ed_Gein> anyone lose sound after upgrading to hoary?
[04:44] <oly> okay thxs membreya
[04:44] <daejavu> Gagatan: humm ... lemme check for that !!
[04:45] <oly> i dont think it should lock em in first place though,
[04:45] <oly> it shoudl unmount when i press the button on the cd draw
[04:45] <oly> :p
[04:45] <oly> at least i can get my puter back to correct speed now :)
[04:48] <ebone> anybody running apache2 with php ?
[04:51] <evarlast> ebone: yes.
[04:52] <evarlast> ebone: using the libapache2-php package
[04:52] <ebone> cool.
[04:53] <ebone> have you messed w/ the gd library functions at all ?
[04:53] <ebone> i get this:  Call to undefined function:  imagettfbbox()
[04:53] <ebone> apparently this is a fairly common message for people trying to use gd image functions on all sorts of platforms.
[04:53] <ebone> everything from bsd systems to linux ... it's obvious people smarter than me have wasted hours on this ...  :)
[04:54] <ebone> i just thought i would see if anyone knew what was up ?
[04:54] <ebone> odd thing is ... it works fine on my debian box.
[04:54] <evarlast> ebone: nope, I've not used php-gd in 4+ years
[04:54] <ebone> cool ... well thanks anyways.
[04:59] <BugS> why are some languages missing in the ubuntu gnome packages? debian has them altought.
[05:02] <Ed_Gein> problems with sound after upgrading to hoary. Ikeep getting a no device found error. the module is loaded
[05:04] <Ed_Gein> "No volume control elements and/or devices found"
[05:05] <GarySaved> If I have my sytem running Debian fairly well, is there any advantage to switching to ubuntu ?
[05:05] <crazydeb8r> GarySaved, what do you use it for
[05:06] <aljo^> how is with audigy 2 ZS in linux?
[05:06] <aljo^> does it have any special drivers?
[05:06] <Ed_Gein> anyone have problems with audio after upgrading to hoary
[05:07] <GarySaved> I use it for E-Mail, Messenging, word processing and such.  My WIfe uses it for making classroom phamplets and such, also.
[05:07] <crazydeb8r> aljo^, check the wiki (wiki.ubuntulinux.com) and the forums (ubuntuforums.org0
[05:07] <aljo^> ok thanks
[05:07] <aljo^> can anyone help me with CoD?
[05:07] <cybane> Call of Duty?
[05:07] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: yes, I haven't fixed my sound problems yet.
[05:07] <aljo^> yes
[05:07] <cybane> Didn't know CoD ran under linux
[05:07] <aljo^> yes under cedega
[05:07] <crazydeb8r> well i would say no specific advantage except that IMO, upgrading packages are much easier with ubuntu
[05:07] <aljo^> ...
[05:07] <Ed_Gein> evarlast : do you have any sound?
[05:08] <crazydeb8r> but ubuntu isn't exactly cutting edge either
[05:08] <aljo^> any1?
[05:08] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Compared to..?
[05:08] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: a fully upgraded debian system
[05:08] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: our packages are a bit behind
[05:09] <cybane> However, the customability of Ubuntu is what makes ir great
[05:09] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: no sound here.  I haven't had time to look into it.
[05:09] <sigglet> anyone know why firefox doesn't display javascript:: correctly?
[05:09] <crazydeb8r> cybane: and ease of confguration ;-0
[05:09] <sigglet> I put my mouse button over a link where there is a drop down menu supposed to be.
[05:09] <cybane> You can still get all the new stuff that Debian has just need to install from a binary or compile it
[05:09] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: I've found it to be the opposite in some major cases (evolution)
[05:09] <GarySaved> Is security comprimised by not having a seperate root account?
[05:10] <olenuu1> yess i use 85 hz now(in windows i use 100, but no problem:)), a i cant play mp3? must install something?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> hmm. there is a root account. its just disabled. i guess you would say
[05:10] <Dr_willis> trivial to reenable it if you just have to work as root.
[05:10] <hawke_> GarySaved: Security is improved, really.
[05:10] <crazydeb8r> GarySaved: it's improved, because you never use the root account
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Its more of a 'good practice' to do it the Ubuntu way.
[05:10] <crazydeb8r> yay sudo.
[05:11] <GarySaved> If I am here in this chat room, and have root access, doen't that make the system open?
[05:11] <crazydeb8r> GarySaved: You wouldn't have root access.
[05:12] <crazydeb8r> it's a normal user who uses sudo
[05:12] <hawke_> GarySaved: You have root access?
[05:12] <hawke_> GarySaved: meaning you enabled the root account, became root, and ran your IRC client?
[05:13] <sigglet> crazydeb8r: he could have root access?
[05:13] <GarySaved> I may have read the information wrong, but I thought it said the account you installed from has the equivenent of su access.
[05:13] <sigglet> it's easy to make su availiable on ubuntu
[05:13] <GarySaved> noflex, I am in Debian now.  I am thinking of switching to ubuntu.
[05:13] <sic|work> question: Is the package for GLIB 1.2.2 names something else...having a little trouble locating it
[05:13] <Dr_willis> the whole sudo stuff is a huge defense from a user accidently screwing up the system himself. :P
[05:13] <welly> Hi guys, i understand it's possible to install ubuntu from knoppix. i've seen the documentation on the wiki page about doing an install over a network with knoppix. is it possible to install ubuntu from knoppix with the install cd?
[05:14] <hawke_> GarySaved: It has the equivalent of su access yes, but it still requires a password.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> welly,  that sounds So convuluted - its scary :P
[05:15] <spades> for anyone who has xm radio, once the new prices go in effect and you get free online streaming, mplayer handles the stream, so install it if you dont have it and want to use xmonline
[05:15] <Dr_willis> spades,  xm is doing somthing new?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> new prices = going up? or down?
[05:15] <spades> Dr_willis: new prices go in effect april 2nd
[05:15] <spades> up, to 12.95
[05:16] <GarySaved> O.K.  That makes sinse.  So you do have to enter a different password to get su access.  That is how Debian works, too.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> well *(&*@& them then. :P
[05:16] <spades> free online stream and opie and anthony now included in the package
[05:16] <Ed_Gein> apparently my soundcard(turtle beach santa cruz) hasn't been detected . What can I do to help it along
[05:16] <spades> Dr_willis: http://www.xmradio.com/serviceupdate/index.jsp
[05:16] <hawke_> GarySaved: It's the same as your login password
[05:16] <spades> you can lock yourself to current pricing with prepay
[05:16] <Dr_willis> spades,  that wouldenty be so bad.. but seems i am getting Nickled and Dimed to death on all these 'services' i subscribe to...
[05:16] <hawke_> GarySaved: But hardly the same as running IRC as root. :-)
[05:16] <welly> dr_willis, i'm grasping at straws here.. i've been trying to install ubuntu for over a week but unfortunately either my cd writer is bust or my cdrom drive is bust but i keep having CRC errors
[05:17] <Dr_willis> welly,  Hmm cant help ya there.. been checking the md5's and so forth on the iso images?
[05:17] <GarySaved> hawke, What I was asking about, is if your user account has su previledges, that wold be a security problem.
[05:18] <welly> yeah, and they seem fine.. the bizarre thing is i did an install and it worked first time.. i had a few problems so needed to do a reinstall and since then, i've had no joy installing
[05:18] <hawke_> GarySaved: How so?
[05:18] <gourmet-> slt tlm
[05:18] <gourmet-> pas marcher
[05:18] <Dr_willis> welly,  sounds like a cd/dvd drive issue to me.  or cable issues.
[05:18] <gourmet-> ):
[05:19] <GarySaved> A script or some such could damage the system, with su access.
[05:19] <welly> yeah.. :( and unfortunately i'm not in a financial position to get a new drive
[05:19] <welly> and i know cdrom drives cost next to nothing
[05:19] <Dr_willis> GarySaved,  of course Ubuntu only starts with ONE user account. - without su access at the start you are stuck. :P
[05:19] <Dr_willis> add new users and use them - without su access.
[05:20] <hawke_> GarySaved: Again, how so?  With passwordless su access I agree.  But where su requires a password to become root, how could it damage the system?
[05:21] <dtygel> hola :)
[05:21] <hawke_> GarySaved: "it" being a script.
[05:21] <dtygel> Do you know a good program in ubuntu for editing programs?
[05:21] <GarySaved> That is what I was asking about.  The ubuntu information page does not make it clear that you ahve to enter a password each time you need the access. (At least with my quick scan of it)
[05:21] <dtygel> Something like kwrite, which highlights the commands accordingly, including css files...
[05:21] <Dr_willis> dtygel,  emacs/vi :P or ya care to be more specific?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> ahh. :P
[05:21] <hawke_> GarySaved: You do have to enter a password: the password of your account.
[05:22] <hawke_> GarySaved: look into 'sudo' for more information
[05:22] <eruin> pff
[05:22] <Dr_willis> thers soo many editors out its scary. I personally like 'fte'
[05:22] <GarySaved> THat is what I was verifying.
[05:22] <Nermal> for what ?
[05:22] <bzbb> xemas!
[05:22] <bzbb> xemacs!
[05:22] <Nermal> vim ?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> but i tend to use 'vim' a lot also.
[05:22] <Nermal> emacs is a nice os, but it needs a decent editor :P
[05:22] <dtygel> Dr_willis, does fte or vim have this feature of highlighting?
[05:22] <Nermal> dtygel, of course
[05:23] <Nermal> a vim plugin for emacs would be idea
[05:23] <Nermal> ideal*
[05:23] <bzbb> Nermal, VIper
[05:23] <eruin> the gftp folks don't exactly have the best UI around, and if asked about gnome-ifying it, the general consensus is "do it yourself", but what's the point when they refuse to accept any UI patches?
[05:23] <dtygel> So, I'll check both...
[05:23] <Dr_willis> dtygel,  yes  on both. :P
[05:24] <GarySaved> My box is an Athelon.  I have the k7 kernel running in Debian.  Will the ubuntu installer detect this is what I have?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> "Gnome-ifying" :P
[05:24] <Dr_willis> to make small and put it out in the garden.
[05:24] <hawke_> GarySaved: I don't believe so, you must install the k7 kernel
[05:25] <Dreamer3> anyone why i can't unmount a floppy from within gnome without having to stop and restart famd?
[05:25] <Dreamer3> my mom is having continual problems
[05:25] <sic|work> I am at work, behind a proxy and synaptic won't connect to a lot of different resources...I am installing xmms and can't find glib 1.2.2 can anyone help?
[05:26] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[05:26] <Xenguy> cs
[05:26] <Xenguy> nm
[05:28] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[05:28] <balor_> sic|: do you really neex XMMS, rhythmbox or Muine have all the functionality with more GUI niceness
[05:28] <sic|work> I guess not
[05:28] <sic|work> just wanted winamp-like warm and fuzziness
[05:29] <Dr_willis> hmm. I imnstalled xmms last night - following that  ubuntuguide.org directions
[05:30] <sic|work> either way I am missing the correct version of glib
[05:30] <GarySaved> Has anyone heard of the printer working, except from the browser?
[05:30] <hawke_> GarySaved: Yes.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0.0.10
[05:30] <da_bon_bon> hey, am i alive ?
[05:30] <prats> hi
[05:30] <Dr_willis> i find that firefox - can be a little annoying with printers at times
[05:31] <GarySaved> hawke, Do you know what causes this?
[05:31] <GarySaved> I use Mozilla and Galeon.  Neither will use the printer.
[05:31] <hawke_> GarySaved: Not a clue...
[05:32] <GarySaved>    <sigh>
[05:32] <sic|work> Dr_willis when I ./configure xmms it says it needs glib 1.2.2
[05:32] <hawke_> GarySaved: I had to print to file and then lpr the file
[05:32] <prats> could somebody help me: i have 12 upgradable item, i press "install" in synaptic, there's a intall window poping up, however nothing else happens, and those upgradable items aren't installed...
[05:32] <GarySaved> That is what we have been doing.
[05:32] <GarySaved> It works from the word processor.
[05:32] <Dr_willis> sic|,  hmm - i just used the repositiories and synpatic to install it.
[05:33] <Nekohayo> prats, what if you try with apt-get?
[05:33] <sic|work> Dr_willis: yeah, it works at home...but I am at work and can't get to the repositories
[05:33] <prats> i could try that, but isn't this supposed to work?
[05:33] <csorrell> How come when I modify my volume with the volume manager it doesn't save after I reboto?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> sic|work,  ahh.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> csorrell,  isent there a 'write changes to disk' button?
[05:34] <csorrell> Dr_willis: under what?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> csorrell,  actually im nto sure what you mean by volume manager.. You mean SOUND voulme? or disk volume?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:34] <prats> (i'm using hoary 5.04)
[05:34] <csorrell> Dr_willis: sound
[05:34] <Dr_willis> csorrell,  lol.. never mind then.
[05:35] <hawke_> Dr_willis: hehe, that's how I read it too.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> hawke_ had to explain to several people in the past that the fdisk tools UNLIKE windows does NOTHING till you write the changes.. they normally reply "thats stupid" - I reply "No thats SMART, the MS way is Stupid"
[05:36] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:37] <hawke_> Dr_willis: Agree.
[05:37] <Nekohayo> prats, did it work?
[05:37] <GarySaved> I have two hard drives.  I have the /home tree on the second, and everything else onthe first.  Will ubuntu cooperate with this?
[05:38] <prats> yes, apt-get seems to be working just fine, thx!
[05:38] <Nekohayo> :)
[05:38] <prats> synaptic isn't working, is it?
[05:38] <Nekohayo> prats, I thought, anyways, if it didn't wanted to, you'd get an output
[05:38] <Dr_willis> GarySaved,  should work. may need to edit the fstab to show the move.
[05:38] <hawke_> GarySaved: I believe so, but it may take some manual fstab-editting
[05:38] <Nekohayo> prats, nah, syna works very well of my all the time.. but it's only a frontend for apt-get you know
[05:39] <hawke_> GarySaved: Assuming you don't want to format /home that is
[05:39] <hawke_> GarySaved: It'll work fine from install if you want to format /home
[05:39] <hawke_> The above fact annoys me about Ubuntu
[05:39] <GarySaved> I guess I can back everything up, so it does not matter if it formats.  I just like having the home tree seperate.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> just move the stuff to your oldhome and edit the fstab later..
[05:40] <Nekohayo> say, I'm wondering: is there a way to "deuglify" some programs? For instance, I have amule 2.0 RC7 here (which is almost the current version) and it looks very, very ugly :) why don't the controls blend with the window managers' themes? (that is my question)
[05:40] <hawke_> GarySaved: That works fine then.
[05:40] <HiddenWolf> Nekohayo: amule is an ugly bitch, still uses an old gtk version
[05:40] <GarySaved> Are there any utilities for backing up all my information? (Keeping permissions)
[05:40] <hawke_> Dr_willis: I know there's workarounds, it still annoys me.  The installer should be able to use a partition w/o formatting it.
[05:40] <hawke_> GarySaved: tar
[05:41] <Dr_willis> hawke,  yep - installer should be able to do a lot of things..  but then again - that leaves more room for errors i guess. :()
[05:41] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:42] <BockBilbo> i have just installed ubuntu using a wireless pci card i bought today.. and after rebooting... the card is not detected
[05:42] <BockBilbo> can anyone help me?
[05:42] <Nekohayo> HiddenWolf, any suggestions of something ~as good but with gtk2 ? ^^ hmm.. I'm out to read their faq if they're willing to switch to the new gtk anytime soon
[05:42] <BockBilbo> i have installed ubuntu hoary using array 5
[05:42] <Dr_willis> the installer saw it and used it?
[05:42] <BockBilbo> Dr_willis, yes
[05:42] <Dr_willis> thats a good sign then :P
[05:42] <BockBilbo> hehe
[05:42] <BockBilbo> lol
[05:43] <Dr_willis> i can never even get that far with wireless..
[05:43] <BockBilbo> its a D-LINK DWL-G520+
[05:43] <BockBilbo> lol
[05:43] <HiddenWolf> Nekohayo: You tell me when you find it. :)
[05:43] <BockBilbo> when i do ifup wlan0
[05:43] <BockBilbo> it says that wlan0 it doesnt exist
[05:43] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:44] <BockBilbo> but in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:44] <BockBilbo> i can clearly read an entry about wlan0
[05:45] <newbie_mick> hi... i just installed ubunto... how do i get the updates? do i have to use apt-get or something ??
[05:45] <BockBilbo> yes
[05:45] <BockBilbo> apt-get upgrade
[05:45] <newbie_mick> ok cool... i'll give it a go now
[05:45] <hawke_> newbie_mick: system -> adminstration -> synaptic package manager
[05:45] <hawke_> newbie_mick: or apt-get if you prefer
[05:46] <BockBilbo> :(
[05:46] <BockBilbo> no one knows how to fix it?
[05:46] <hawke_> BockBilbo: Are you sure it's wlan0?
[05:46] <hawke_> BockBilbo: It could be eth0 or eth1
[05:46] <BockBilbo> i think so
[05:46] <BockBilbo> nop
[05:46] <GarySaved> Well ubuntu detect that I have two hard drives, and use them both, or try to stick everything on just the first?
[05:46] <BockBilbo> eth0 is the fast ethernet card
[05:47] <BockBilbo> in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:47] <BockBilbo> the installer has created an entry on wlan0
[05:47] <newbie_mick> oh i get it.... i had to select the repositories in synaptic to get it to detect the updates...
[05:47] <hawke_> GarySaved: I believe that's up to you.  By default I think it will try to use the first one.
[05:47] <hawke_> BockBilbo: does it show up in 'ifconfig'?
[05:47] <hawke_> BockBilbo: 'ifconfig -a' rather
[05:48] <BockBilbo> hawke, nope
[05:48] <BockBilbo> ifconfig -a just shows up eth0 and lo
[05:49] <BockBilbo> eth0 is the ethernet card
[05:50] <hawke_> BockBilbo: if you unplug the card (assuming it's a cardbus/pcmcia card) and plug it back in, does anything new show up in 'dmesg'?
[05:50] <BockBilbo> it isnt a pcmcia
[05:50] <daejavu> ppl ... which is the BEST linux Distro for LAPTOPS ... taking abt old Laptops here ... P1 (100-120MHZ)
[05:50] <daejavu> ppl ... which is the BEST linux Distro for LAPTOPS ... taking abt old Laptops here ... P1 (100-120MHZ)
[05:50] <BockBilbo> its a PCI card
[05:51] <BockBilbo> but
[05:51] <BockBilbo> in dmesg i see som errors witch a module called acx
[05:51] <henla464> I have problem installing warty on a shuttle sn85g4v2 with a sata drive. It gives an error that says it is unable to install the choosen kernel.
[05:51] <henla464> In konsol 3 this error message is displayed: The following packages have unmet dependencie: linux-amd64-generic: Depends: linux-image-amd64-generic but ut us not installable. E: Broken packages
[05:51] <yonkeltron> i am running the ubuntu live cd to test if my soundcard works and it wasn't autodetected. lspci says it's a Creative Labs SB Live. every time i try to play a sound file i get an error message. can someone help?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> SB live should work.
[05:52] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: that's probably just a livecd issue. I have it with the livecd, but it works fine when you install it.
[05:52] <henla464> An earlier error message says: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. Anyone know why these errors show up?
[05:53] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: ok.....so if i install and it doesn't work, can i come back and get help?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> henla464,  mistakes in the sources.list perhaps.
[05:53] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: we'll help you, sure bet
[05:53] <Dr_willis> yonkeltron,  of course. :P
[05:53] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: also....what is the root password?
[05:53] <BockBilbo> :(
[05:53] <BockBilbo> this sucks
[05:53] <Dr_willis> yonkeltron,  on the live cd - go to the console and set it.
[05:53] <henla464> mistakes in The_Nalf source.list on the install cd?
[05:53] <yonkeltron> i need an ftp client to upload all my old settings to my server
[05:54] <henla464> I think the sources should be ok on the install cd, shouldn't it?
[05:54] <BockBilbo> gftp
[05:54] <daejavu> how can i know where Squid is installed ?
[05:54] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: ubuntu doesn't use 'root' but emulates it with sudo. the password you're looking for is 'ubuntu'
[05:54] <yonkeltron> excellent
[05:55] <yonkeltron> gftp is not installed.....
[05:55] <Dr_willis> 'mc' can work as a ftp client..
[05:55] <yonkeltron> sudo apt-get update fails and apt-get install gftp dies telling me to apt-get update....
[05:56] <Dr_willis> or  resort to ssh. :P or the console ftp clients.. or - dosent gnomes filemager have some ftp feature?
[05:56] <Xenguy> yonkeltron: lftp is a good console client
[05:57] <yonkeltron> nvm...i'll do it from mepis....be back in a sec to talk....
[06:02] <robbie_> hello
[06:02] <robbie_> can some help me with a hardware problem
[06:02] <njs12345> depends
[06:02] <njs12345> what's your problem?
[06:03] <raydogg``> what command can i execute to generate a random string ?
[06:03] <raydogg``> at a console
[06:03] <robbie_> I can not sem to setup my modem it a best data usb
[06:03] <njs12345> raydogg``: how long?
[06:04] <bluefoxicy> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12659?ref=rss  :/
[06:04] <robbie_> cannot find what dev it uses
[06:04] <raydogg``> 30 chars
[06:04] <jesus_> hmm... gftp segementation faults when I try to edit a remote .php file (in options is used "/usr/bin/gedit" as edit program)
[06:04] <raydogg``> njs12345, 30 chars
[06:04] <raydogg``> well, N chars for that matter
[06:05] <yonkeltron> back
[06:08] <piratePenguin> I'm dualbooting with mandrake 10.1 and ubuntu atm.. and now I wanna remove mandrake.. my partition table is @ http://rafb.net/paste/results/itpkzd70.html .. ubuntu only uses /dev/hdb7 so can I delete *all* the other partitions bar swap? what bout hdb2?
[06:09] <robbie_> can you help me install this modem
[06:10] <ompaul> piratePenguin, as you guessed you can't kill hdb2 without killing off your existing ubunut
[06:10] <ompaul> s/ubunut/ ubuntu
[06:11] <piratePenguin> alright.. would it matter then that the tables a bit messed up?
[06:11] <ompaul> robbie you could do lsusb - if you had stayed long enough  :)
[06:11] <hawke_> raydogg``: pwgen should work pretty well
[06:12] <ompaul> piratePenguin, I personally would kill off all the rest of the box and start clean but that is me :)
[06:12] <daejavu> how can i know where Squid is installed ?
[06:12] <ompaul> piratePenguin, you could put stuff on hda :-)
[06:12] <hawke_> raydogg``: else head -c 30 /dev/urandom
[06:12] <veristead> anyone here able to help me with hotplug?
[06:13] <karsten> What's the ubuntun way to do NAT?
[06:13] <piratePenguin> ompaul: on my cd-rom drive? I doubt it :P
[06:13] <veristead> i want to disable my wireless card using it
[06:14] <veristead> so it doesn't load on startup
[06:14] <veristead> cuz it is annoying when it does that
[06:14] <njs12345> karsten: iptables
[06:14] <Coily> whats the difference between an i386 binary and a compiled for ubuntu package?
[06:14] <karsten> njs12345: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection/view?searchterm=nat ?
[06:14] <ompaul> daejavu, there are a lot of bits and pieces for that - if you go poking around the config files you will find all sorts of stuff / / use the following command updatedb then use locate to find the parts that are referenced by config files
[06:15] <ompaul> that is two
[06:15] <karsten> njs12345: No control-panel type deal?  I'm doing a highschool lab for kids.
[06:15] <Coily> anyone?
[06:15] <njs12345> not yet
[06:15] <karsten> njs12345: I'm familiar w/ textfile config, they're mostly not.
[06:15] <ompaul> Coily, be specific
[06:15] <karsten> njs12345: Thanks
[06:15] <veristead> anyone???
[06:15] <karsten> veristead: He left.
[06:15] <veristead> who left?
[06:16] <ompaul> anyone left :)
[06:16] <njs12345> well.. I haven't seen one
[06:16] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: so is this going to take a kernel recompile? because i tend to recompile with the latest version anyhow.....
[06:16] <njs12345> there might be one
[06:16] <karsten> veristead: anyone.
[06:16] <veristead> well i was asking for help
[06:16] <karsten> veristead: Um.  You want to disable hotplug, or just the wireless card?
[06:16] <Coily> ompaul, well could i break my install my just installing the i386 binary or is it a better idea to compile from source
[06:16] <veristead> with something
[06:16] <karsten> veristead: Don't run with sissors.
[06:16] <veristead> i want to disable the wireless card
[06:16] <Coily> my=by
[06:16] <karsten> veristead: ...that's help with something....
[06:16] <veristead> well sorta
[06:16] <ompaul> Coily, it is better to use packaged
[06:17] <ompaul> Coily, programs because that is the ubuntu/debian model unless you really need to
[06:17] <veristead> it keeps loading on startup but it takes forever if i am not in range of a wifi router
[06:17] <ompaul> Coily, the word to watch there is _need_
[06:17] <veristead> it just hangs there
[06:17] <Coily> ompaul, hmm
[06:17] <karsten> "No screens found" X11 w/ S3 <mumble> card, machine's not in front of me, bunch of "insufficient memory" (or similar) messages in /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[06:17] <veristead> and when i close the lid and open it it puts the card to sleep
[06:17] <Coily> ompaul, ok well now i need to learn how to compile :x
[06:18] <karsten> veristead: That last is part of your acpi / power management settings.
[06:18] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: what where you talking about exactly?
[06:18] <ompaul> Coily, compile? because you are doing some class ?
[06:18] <vix> good p2p client for linux ?
[06:18] <njs12345> vix: bittorrent
[06:18] <karsten> vix: p2p what?
[06:18] <Nekohayo> hmm, seems like my gnome menu is behaving differently than warty's ... where has the "entire menu -> add launcher to this menu" option gone?
[06:18] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: creative soundcard
[06:18] <carajea1> how to update open office
[06:18] <veristead> Karsten: one would think, except that on the iBook it isn't that at all
[06:18] <carajea1> ??
[06:18] <vix> njs12345, shareaza ?
[06:18] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: it'll work out of the box, promise
[06:18] <karsten> carajea1: aptitude install openoffice.org
[06:18] <karsten> carajea1: ...or appropriate package name.
[06:19] <Coily> ompaul, nono compile from source this program... it includes an i386 binary but like you said it would be better to make a package
[06:19] <karsten> veristead: Hrm.  Not sure.
[06:19] <veristead> the iBook power settings are actual hardware
[06:19] <vix> njs12345, shareaza ?
[06:19] <veristead> and cnt have data sent to it
[06:19] <carajea1> cant i just apt-update or somethin like that
[06:19] <carajea1> ?
[06:19] <karsten> veristead: Put my name at start of your comments, easier to see.
[06:19] <veristead> k
[06:19] <veristead> karsten
[06:19] <karsten> veristead: Yeah, then say something.
[06:19] <karsten> veristead: It highlights in my IRC client.
[06:19] <blaaa> does ubuntu come with fluxbox?
[06:19] <veristead> oh
[06:19] <veristead> lol
[06:19] <veristead> i am jst messsing with you
[06:19] <veristead> karsten: i am just messing with you
[06:20] <karsten> blaaa: Not installed by default.  There's a "universe" set of packages....
[06:20] <veristead> karsten i know
[06:20] <ompaul> Coily, and you believe that there is no such program on ubunutu, have you done this apt-cache search programNameOrSomethingLikeIt
[06:20] <karsten> veristead: Heard yo utwice the first time.
[06:20] <veristead> karsten: ok
[06:20] <karsten> veristead: So do you want to disable wireless *entirely*, or just hotplug?
[06:20] <Coily> ompaul, ya im trying to install peerguardian
[06:20] <veristead> hotplug
[06:20] <raydogg``> hawke_, is there a way to limit /dev/urandom's output to ascii characters A-Z ?
[06:20] <karsten> raydogg``: No.
[06:20] <veristead> i want to use wifi when i have the computer on
[06:20] <raydogg``> k
[06:20] <karsten> raydogg``: You can translate it through something.  uuencode might do it.
[06:20] <veristead> and running Ubuntu
[06:20] <veristead> karsten
[06:21] <veristead> karsten i keep forgetting to put your name
[06:21] <blaaa> is this universe set of packages w/ ubuntu?
[06:21] <hawke_> raydogg``: pwgen would probably be closer to what you want in that case
[06:21] <Coily> i need a tutorial/walkthrough for compiling apps from source
[06:21] <veristead> karsten: i jst wnt to disable hotplug
[06:21] <karsten> veristead: k<tab> should autoexpand in most IRC clients.
[06:21] <carajea1> can someone help me update openoffice?
[06:22] <karsten> carajea1: use aptitude, apt-get, or synaptic.
[06:23] <veristead> karsten: seemingly not in this one
[06:23] <blaaa> can i get this universe set of packages of ubuntu or do i download it elsewhere?
[06:23] <carajea1> im kinda new to linux and need a little help
[06:23] <blaaa> *off
[06:23] <karsten> What's ubuntu's standard package management tool?  apt-get or aptitude?
[06:23] <veristead> apt-get
[06:23] <hawke_> karsten: synaptic
[06:23] <veristead> or that too
[06:23] <ompaul> Coily, I just had a look at that - you would me better learning something of iptables which it uses
[06:23] <karsten> carajea1: Generally you *don't* update one package at a time.  Package management handles your whole distro.
[06:23] <veristead> karsten: so any help on disabling hotplug
[06:23] <karsten> carajea1: So: apt-get update; aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:23] <karsten> carajea1: ...will update your system.
[06:24] <Coily> ompaul it would take too long entering in all those ips
[06:24] <BockBilbo> ok.. see if anyone can help me... it seens that hotplug cannot  found the specific firmware for my wireless pci card (which worked during the ubuntu installation)
[06:24] <ompaul> Coily, the reason I say this is simple it is version 0.21 that is a long way from release that is all
[06:24] <karsten> veristead: Sorry, I'm out of ideas.
[06:24] <karsten> veristead: Talk to BockBilbo ;-)
[06:24] <ompaul> Coily, have a look at a script to do it :)
[06:24] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:24] <BockBilbo> xD
[06:24] <veristead> hey BockBilbo
[06:25] <olenuu1> how i can open .run file :-P
[06:25] <BockBilbo> see... in dmesg it says that there is no default firmware directory specified so it looks in the default firmware directory of hotplug (/lib/hotplug/firmware)
[06:25] <ompaul> Coily, they say it is alpha software - that is not a great idea it could break more than it fixes
[06:25] <BockBilbo> and it cannot found the "TIAACX111.BIN-2.6.10-4-386" file needed to load the wireles pci card
[06:25] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:26] <goldfish> Is there a c compiler installed with warty 4.10 as default?
[06:26] <BockBilbo> i think it might be a bug of the ubuntu installer
[06:26] <Coily> ompaul the one im looking at is .3
[06:26] <vix> good p2p client for linux ?
[06:26] <mirak> how does ubuntu update manager update sources ?
[06:26] <mirak> is it done in back ground ?
[06:26] <Coily> ompaul, and its supposed to be the linux version of 2.0
[06:26] <mirak> vix: amule
[06:27] <vix> mirak, is it slow ?
[06:27] <vix> same as emule... ?
[06:27] <k-n4b15> Can someone help a poor frenchie ? ;)
[06:27] <goldfish> hehe
[06:27] <blaaa> im downloading ubuntu and there is a 4.10, warty, jigit folder...are warty and jigit modified versions of ubuntu?
[06:28] <goldfish> vix: tried using torrents?
[06:28] <mirak> vix: depends what you want
[06:28] <ompaul> Coily, well you want to research g++ that is a compiler
[06:28] <vix> goldfish, i want to dl mp3 and porn ahhahah ^^^
[06:28] <mlambie> does anyone else get a GPG error from nerim.net's repositories?
[06:28] <mlambie> or rather, is there a fix out for this problem?
[06:28] <olenuu1> i download .run file, but i cant open:( defaule open program is text editior, what i must choose?
[06:28] <goldfish> vix: lol
[06:29] <mirak> how does ubuntu update manager detects if there is new updates ?
[06:29] <Coily> well if anyone knows of a script which works like peerguardian let me know...
[06:29] <vix> goldfish, all man alone need those !! ^^
[06:29] <goldfish> hehe
[06:29] <goldfish> vix: there was a great porn torrent site, but it got shut down :/
[06:29] <Coily> mirak, you have to refresh - apt-get update
[06:29] <goldfish> mufftorrent.com
[06:29] <goldfish> its gone now :/
[06:29] <vix> thx :>
[06:29] <Coily> mirak, or just visit the forums
[06:29] <vix> nu :(
[06:29] <BockBilbo> anyone can help me with that?
[06:29] <blaaa> im downloading ubuntu and there is a 4.10, warty, jigit folder...are warty and jigit modified versions of ubuntu?
[06:29] <goldfish> yeah, it was part of loki
[06:30] <mirak> Coily: it seems it's done automatically
[06:30] <ompaul> Coily, if you use a ubuntu box that software is reasonably pointless
[06:30] <veristead> ok... so i assume no one can help me out with diabling my wifi card in hotplug
[06:30] <mirak> Coily: I don't ask how to refresh it, I ask how it is done
[06:30] <mirak> and when
[06:30] <Coily> ompaul, why do you say that
[06:30] <mlambie> veristead:  what driver does it use?
[06:30] <k-n4b15> i look for some information about how to boot from a floppy to install ubuntu....
[06:30] <carajea1> hey is it wise to upgrade ubuntu?
[06:30] <hawke_> carajea1: It's fine.
[06:30] <mlambie> because i put some drivers in /etc/hotplug/blacklist when i want to block them, like pcspkr for example
[06:30] <Nekohayo> I have just installed amarok in hoary, and since it's a kde app, I'd like to be able to change its appearance... I guess to do this I should get into kde, is there a quick and dirty command to switch into kde, or is it added to the logon screen now?
[06:31] <veristead> mlambie: it uses the Airport driver
[06:31] <Coily> mirak, if you want to schedule apt-get go to ubuntuguide.org
[06:31] <ompaul> Coily, as the 'touching' of a ubuntu box from the outside should be like a pool of water - little ripples it is not that other operating system
[06:31] <veristead> mlambie: i am using an iBook for it
[06:31] <macewan> Nekohayo: change it's appearance?
[06:31] <mirak> Coily: that's not my question
[06:31] <mlambie> veristead:  ok, do you know what the module is called? lsmod will tell you...
[06:31] <mirak> Coily: can't you read ?
[06:31] <Coily> mirak, no
[06:31] <Nekohayo> macewan, yeah, change the window theme I guess.
[06:31] <blaaa> hello?
[06:32] <macewan> just chang ethe theme
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: and i ok
[06:32] <Nekohayo> macewan, yeah, how? ;) logging into kde? that is my question ^^
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: oops
[06:32] <ompaul> blaaa, hello hello mad place called vertigo :)
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: didn't mean to type that
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: yea i found it
[06:32] <macewan> Nekohayo: no
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: orinoco is used by airport
[06:32] <blaaa> anyone know the answer to my questions..i hope i did miss the answer
[06:32] <macewan> Nekohayo: are you in gnome?
[06:32] <mlambie> veristead:  add it to the hotplug blacklist and it won't get loaded.
[06:33] <BWGames> anyone know of a linux equivlalent of virtualdub?
[06:33] <mlambie> veristead:  /etc/init.d/hotplug restart should sort it out
[06:33] <macewan> blaaa: is warty a modified version of ubuntu?
[06:34] <steveland> hey folks, i installed ubuntu last night and when i try to ./configure it says im missing the gcc and all the other compilers and won't continue. It's not connected to the internet or a server so i can't apt get anything. Anyone any ideas?
[06:34] <blaaa> yea im in the download part of the ubuntu
[06:34] <blaaa> site
[06:34] <veristead> mlambie: so jst  type 'pico /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:34] <blaaa> and theres a folder 4.10, warty, and jigit
[06:34] <veristead> mlambie: and add those lines to the end
[06:34] <macewan> warty is a stable version
[06:34] <Nekohayo> macewan, yes I am
[06:34] <mlambie> veristead:  you will need run as sudo
[06:35] <blaaa> what are the other two, out of curiousity
[06:35] <mlambie> veristead:  sudo pico /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:35] <ompaul> blaaa, warty is a version the other stuff you are looking at are download types
[06:35] <macewan> Nekohayo: is amarok theme not the same?
[06:35] <mlambie> veristead:  then add "orinoco" to the base. put a #comment there to tell yourself what you did also :)
[06:35] <ompaul> blaaa, ways of getting the iso
[06:35] <Nekohayo> macewan, nope, it uses kde's thingy.. can't remember the name.. anyhow, kde's default look
[06:35] <mlambie> veristead:  then when you've done that, "sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart"
[06:36] <steveland> no-one any ideas for my gcc thing :(
[06:36] <Nekohayo> macewan, (for the controls and stuff), the window border, however, is from gnome
[06:36] <ompaul> steveland let me track back
[06:36] <blaaa> ah ok..tnx
[06:36] <veristead> odd
[06:36] <macewan> blaaa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/release/
[06:36] <steveland> cheers
[06:36] <veristead> mlambie: lsmod lists two drivers for some odd reason
[06:37] <blaaa> yea i got it..tnx macewan
[06:37] <macewan> Nekohayo: let me install and see what you mean - jus a sec
[06:37] <mlambie> veristead:  block them all then, with each module on a new line
[06:37] <spiral> hi
[06:37] <blaaa> and with the iso will it have fluxbox somewhere on it..or do i just go download it?
[06:37] <macewan> Nekohayo: 60 megs - jus a sec
[06:37] <Nekohayo> macewan, thanks! (be aware it will fetch you lots of kde libs)
[06:38] <sic|work> anyone remember off the top of your head the two commands to enable 3d acceleration with an Nvidia card?
[06:38] <Nekohayo> I also need to be able to add stuff to my gnome menu, seems like my right click option disappeared since warty
[06:39] <macewan> Nekohayo: amarok is perty - why change the look :-)
[06:39] <veristead> mlambie: :-\ won't let me write out
[06:40] <mlambie> veristead:  did you "sudo pico"?
[06:40] <veristead> nope
[06:40] <veristead> lol
[06:40] <veristead> oops
[06:40] <veristead> i will do that
[06:40] <sic|work> I know it is the word nvidia and then a switch and some other stuff...but I can't remember
[06:40] <ompaul> steveland, let me go to the other box it is running warty
[06:40] <steveland> thanks ompaul
[06:40] <crimsun> blaaa: fluxbox is in universe
[06:40] <steveland> yeh fluxbox is what i was trying to install
[06:40] <blaaa> is this universe thing on the knoppix cd?
[06:40] <Nekohayo> macewan, I really like my apps to blend together (and I'm a mac OS X look fan), and amarok uses HUGE fonts right now, I'd prefer smaller text which would require less space ^^
[06:40] <steveland> it's nicer than gnome
[06:41] <crimsun> blaaa: meaning after you install Ubuntu, simply install it from the Internet using Synaptic
[06:41] <blaaa> sorry im really new
[06:41] <macewan> Nekohayo: you want the controls to look gnome'ish?
[06:41] <blaaa> ah
[06:41] <blaaa> k
[06:41] <rriche> why.. can anyone tell me what i might be missing from this error generated by azureus?  -> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /opt/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: /opt/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:41] <Nekohayo> macewan, yes :)
[06:41] <blaaa> tnx crimsun
[06:41] <rriche> err s/why/hi/
[06:41] <crimsun> blaaa: / steveland: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[06:42] <macewan> Nekohayo: can't help.
[06:42] <steveland> ooh, thank you very much
[06:42] <Nekohayo> macewan, and I wanted to try amarok, because up until now, I have seen _no_ multimedia player take my ratings into account
[06:42] <Nekohayo> macewan, ok, thanks anyways ;)
[06:42] <Nekohayo> macewan, however, I believe I could achieve that by logging into kde as my user
[06:43] <Nekohayo> macewan, I just need to know if I need to fiddle to be able to login to kde .. I'll go read the wiki some more
[06:43] <macewan> Nekohayo: post to forums if you find answer
[06:43] <rriche> now libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so exists in the /opt/azureus folder
[06:43] <veristead> mlambie: ok restarted hotplug... is that it?
[06:43] <mlambie> veristead:  should do
[06:43] <rriche> so it's wierd that it states it "no such file or directory"
[06:43] <veristead> mlambie: should i reboot ubuntu and see if it worked?
[06:43] <mlambie> so does anyone have a soultion to apt-get reporting GPG errors with external repositories?
[06:44] <mlambie> when i apt-get update i get: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[06:44] <steveland> crimsun: excuse my n00bishness but those Universe Packages don't need you to be connected to the internet to apt-get them or anything do they?
[06:45] <crimsun> mlambie: I wrote these instructions: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[06:45] <speel_> all the packages you need to be connected :)
[06:45] <mlambie> crimsun: thanks, will invetigate now
[06:45] <crimsun> steveland: they do need you to be connected.
[06:46] <steveland> ah, ya see i can't connect it up to anything. i was hoping there was something i could just stick onto flash disk and use on it
[06:46] <ompaul1> steveland, you really do need to reconnect to the internet
[06:46] <veristead> wtf... alot of my system configuration shit is screwed up.... they keep saying "There was an error running the backend script"
[06:46] <veristead> how do they expect me to change the time + date
[06:47] <veristead> and the networking utility
[06:47] <steveland> it's on a different computer ya see. a really really old pc and i can't hook it up to the internet
[06:47] <mirak> I don't have the update manager notifier
[06:47] <mirak> what must I do to have it in the task bar ?
[06:47] <ompaul1> steveland, you could grab the packages gcc-3.3 and g++-3.3 and install them locally
[06:48] <macewan> hrm, how to edit menu in hoary?
[06:48] <hawke_> mirak: run update-notifier
[06:48] <steveland> would they not require me to ./configure them?
[06:48] <hawke_> mirak: it only shows up if there are updates.
[06:48] <macewan> my ninja right click is gone
[06:48] <speel_> any one knows how to import campains in lgeneral
[06:48] <Nekohayo> macewan, seems like logging into kde is easy, I'll be back to tell you if my idea works out :)
[06:48] <ompaul1> steveland, no they would be installed by a package management tool
[06:48] <macewan> umk
[06:49] <steveland> ah grand
[06:49] <steveland> thanks :)
[06:49] <foznot> any quick way to turn on DMA for my dvd+rw in with ubuntu?
[06:49] <ompaul1> steveland, you are looking for prebuild packages
[06:49] <saphari_> does jave come with the ubuntu disc?
[06:49] <speel_> no
[06:49] <crimsun> foznot: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX
[06:49] <saphari_> ok
[06:49] <crimsun> foznot: where X is the device letter
[06:49] <speel_> do you mean java?
[06:50] <macewan> hardware-monitor applet barfs badly in hoary
[06:50] <saphari_> oh yes
[06:50] <veristead> oh well
[06:50] <veristead> whatever
[06:50] <steveland> ompaul1: will any of these do the trick http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/gcc-3.3
[06:50] <speel_> ok making sure no it does not
[06:50] <veristead> i guess i'm stuck
[06:50] <veristead> i am getting sick of the complications with linux these days
[06:50] <saphari_> i installed what i am suppose to
[06:50] <saphari_> but don't know what to do
[06:50] <vix> good p2p client for linux ? not slow...
[06:50] <saphari_> i tried what it said but it did'n work
[06:50] <mirak> hawke: it doesn't appear even when there is updates
[06:51] <goldfish> vix: they are all slow :)
[06:51] <speel_> veristead: check this http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:51] <macewan> saphari: installing java?
[06:51] <vix> goldfish, shareazaa not
[06:51] <saphari_> yeah that is what i did
[06:51] <vix> but on winn
[06:51] <crimsun> steveland: you really need a live Internet connection for the Ubuntu machine
[06:51] <vix> :(
[06:51] <ompaul1> steveland, http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gcc-3.3/ adjusting for whatever your ubuntu version and requirements are
[06:51] <crimsun> steveland: otherwise installing software will be a PitA.
[06:51] <fct> vix, I'm happy with amule
[06:51] <saphari_> i need to go to another roon?
[06:51] <saphari_> room?
[06:52] <steveland> ok, thanks a million lads
[06:52] <steveland> ill be off
[06:52] <ompaul1> steveland, http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[06:52] <ompaul1> ohh well
[06:52] <mirak> vix: amule
[06:52] <ompaul1> impatent allways gets all the info :)
[06:52] <crimsun> saphari_: you need to read the instructions regarding Java on the wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:52] <BockBilbo> who do i have to talk to if i have found an error in the last installation cd of ubuntu?
[06:52] <fct> hmm, what's the stability of hoary nowadays, compared with debian sid?
[06:53] <mlambie> crimsun: apt-get with gpg works a treat, thanks
[06:53] <macewan> java 1.5 works fine
[06:53] <crimsun> fct: that's not an apples<->apples comparison
[06:53] <fct> crimsun, let's say it another way: how close to release is hoary? :)
[06:53] <BockBilbo> crimsun, do you know to who do i have to talk about a problem in the hoary installer?
[06:53] <crimsun> fct: a little over a month.
[06:54] <crimsun> BockBilbo: what problem(s) are you having with it?
[06:54] <saphari_> this is the link i am in  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[06:54] <fct> hmm, sounds good enough to risk an upgrade
[06:54] <fct> thx
[06:54] <crimsun> BockBilbo: presuming you're using >=array-5
[06:54] <BockBilbo> yeah
[06:54] <BockBilbo> i have just installed array 5 in an old i366 pc
[06:54] <BockBilbo> which has a wireless pci card
[06:55] <BockBilbo> when i proceded to the installation
[06:55] <BockBilbo> the installation detected the wifi card
[06:55] <BockBilbo> and used it to access to some apt repositories
[06:55] <BockBilbo> just like it should, it worked perfectly
[06:55] <BockBilbo> but after the installation reboot
[06:55] <BockBilbo> the wifi card didnt work
[06:55] <BockBilbo> ive been reading about it
[06:55] <BockBilbo> and i end up discovering
[06:56] <BockBilbo> that the firmware files of my card where not added to
[06:56] <BockBilbo> /lib/hotplug/firmware
[06:56] <fct> BockBilbo, you sure they aren't there? I'm having the same problems with it in debian sid, seems like a fault on an upgraded package
[06:56] <BockBilbo> fct pretty sure
[06:56] <BockBilbo> perhaps
[06:56] <fct> the files are there and stuff :/
[06:57] <crimsun> BockBilbo: first you need to check if a bug has been filed with hotplug and/or the appropriate driver(s)
[06:57] <fct> in my case I mean
[06:57] <BockBilbo> i pasted there the ones i downloaded from the internet
[06:57] <crimsun> BockBilbo: then comb hoary-changes
[06:57] <BockBilbo> and the wireles card works perfect!!!
[06:57] <mlambie> can you still use the instructions: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java to install java on hoary (using the repository method 0)
[06:58] <BockBilbo> crimsun, what do you mean by "comb hoary-changes"?
[06:58] <crimsun> BockBilbo: read it.
[06:58] <crimsun> BockBilbo: to comb implies searching for specific changes
[06:58] <fct> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17531 <--- is that your error, BockBilbo ?
[06:58] <Xappe> hmm, i would like to have a nice gui frontend for iptables. tried firestarter, but I want to be able to create rules like port/tcp, port/udp and so on. firestarter does not seem to be able to do this...and I might be wrong... :)
[06:59] <macewan> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[06:59] <BockBilbo> nope
[06:59] <BockBilbo> i dont use the interl pro wireless 2200BG card on this pc (yes on my other lol)
[06:59] <t31> help! a windows virus!?!?
[06:59] <macewan> applets will work as will java apps themselves
[06:59] <t31> aegis told me this 10 m. ago The file /home/t31/.gnome2/totem-addons/vp31vfw.dll is infected with the W32/Magistr.a@MM virus!
[06:59] <fct> BockBilbo, I mean, like a similar error with your card instead :)
[06:59] <BockBilbo> yeah
[07:00] <olenuu1> how i can open .run fail?
[07:00] <BockBilbo> smthing similar
[07:00] <BockBilbo> but it appears on dmesg
[07:00] <fct> hmmm, perhaps an error in latest hotplug?
[07:00] <BockBilbo> dont know...
[07:00] <fct> yep, BockBilbo, appears there
[07:00] <BockBilbo> see
[07:00] <olenuu1> default open application is text editpr
[07:00] <BockBilbo> the error i got was that it said that i didnt have a default firmware directory set
[07:00] <Xappe> anyone?
[07:01] <BockBilbo> and it said that it would look in the programs default directory (/lib/hotplug/firmware)
[07:01] <BockBilbo> then it looked there
[07:01] <BockBilbo> but it couldnt find the appropiate firmware file, so it tried to use other firmware files, that werent there either
[07:02] <BockBilbo> ...
[07:02] <BockBilbo> so it endup saying that the firmware could not be loaded
[07:02] <BockBilbo> and the wifi card couldnt work
[07:02] <fct> yep, looks like same error to me :/
[07:02] <shock> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17594 <--- could someone interested check my howto for amule & llinux-routers? It#s my first howto ;)
[07:02] <spiral> hmmm... A friend of mine wants to install ubuntu on a pc that can't boot from CD...
[07:02] <spiral> how could he do ?
[07:03] <saphari_> this is what i get when i put the first line in
[07:03] <saphari_> cd browse_to_your_download_folder
[07:03] <saphari_> bash: cd: browse_to_your_download_folder: No such file or directory
[07:03] <BockBilbo> i fixed the error downloading a driver from a guide on my card's chipset and copying the driver to /lib/hotplug/firmware/
[07:04] <spiral> saphari_: hmmm... did you really put "browse_to_your_download_folder" and not the true name ?
[07:04] <BockBilbo> and it worked... but the cuestion is... should the ubuntu installer add the firmware file by default on the /lib/hotplug/firmware directory???
[07:04] <BockBilbo> what do you think fct?
[07:04] <sadistikal> is there an installation guide for ubuntu? I see faqs and various docs and some how-tos but I'm just looking for the straight up installation guide
[07:05] <fct> BockBilbo, I guess it can't, since the firmware files are released under non-free licenses. I have the same problem in debian sid
[07:05] <saphari_> i am new to this,  just doing wht it says here  :(
[07:05] <BockBilbo> ohhh
[07:05] <BockBilbo> fct, and.. if they cant... how did the installer used the wireless card?
[07:05] <dtygel> I need urgent help!
[07:06] <dtygel> I changed my personal folder to a mounted device, and now I cannot logon!
[07:06] <macewan> saphari_: http://www.macewan.org/index.php?m=200412#post-206
[07:06] <fct> BockBilbo, now that's weird :)
[07:06] <hawke_> dtygel: Sorry, we're all out of urgent help, only have the regular kind.
[07:06] <dtygel> heeeelp...
[07:06] <BockBilbo> fct yeah
[07:06] <hawke_> dtygel: what error do you get?
[07:06] <BockBilbo> thats why i think there must be an error somewhere
[07:07] <dtygel> It cannot mark the .ICEAuthorization file.
[07:07] <rriche> what's a good p2p app for linux? something decent for musak?
[07:07] <dtygel> Can I change my personal folder back to original place (/home/dtygel)?
[07:07] <hawke_> dtygel: Sure.  Boot into recovery mode from the menu
[07:07] <dtygel> But I must do it without logging in...
[07:08] <hawke_> dtygel: the boot menu has a "recovery mode" option
[07:08] <dtygel> hawke. Ok, and what next? How do I change the "personal folder" option?
[07:08] <hawke_> dtygel: how did you change it before?
[07:09] <dtygel> hawke: can I still use the menus? I just used the menu: "computer", "system config", and "users"...
[07:09] <hawke_> dtygel: Oh, OK.  run 'nano /etc/passwd'
[07:10] <dtygel> in the recovery mode you mean hawke? Because I'm now logged in as a user who cannot do SUDO.
[07:10] <Amaranth> anyone know why mplayer won'tgo fullscreen? the app does but it doesn't scale the video
[07:10] <shock> hmkay... allready one update to the amule howto :P
[07:10] <shock> *sigh*
[07:10] <BockBilbo> well
[07:10] <BockBilbo> thanks to all!
[07:10] <BockBilbo> bye
[07:11] <spiral> nobody for an install without boot from CD ???
[07:11] <hawke_> Amaranth: add the -vm parameter to mplayer
[07:11] <hawke_> Amaranth: or -zoom
[07:11] <hawke_> dtygel: yes, in recovery mode
[07:11] <Amaranth> hawke_: The app will go fullscreen but it won't scale the video.
[07:12] <dtygel> hawke: ok. Hang on. I'll logout and try it. I'll tell you folks if everything ran fine... :)
[07:12] <andril> hello all - again!
[07:12] <_4strO> dtygel> use sudo useradd -d your_rep for change the home path
[07:12] <_4strO> too late ...
[07:12] <hawke_> Amaranth: It should go fullscreen and scale if you add -vm or -zoom to those entries.
[07:12] <Echylo> hey hey hey
[07:12] <Echylo> why does my gaim sends files extremely slow
[07:12] <sic|work> easiest way to get out of gnome and into a nice command line environment?
[07:13] <hawke_> Amaranth: er, to the command line
[07:13] <Amaranth> hmm
[07:13] <Echylo> sic
[07:13] <Amaranth> if i use both it works
[07:13] <Echylo> ctrl alt F1
[07:13] <sic|work> will that end X?
[07:13] <_4strO> sic|> helt
[07:13] <Echylo> no
[07:13] <_4strO> halt*
[07:13] <Echylo> you get back to X with ctrl alt F7
[07:13] <sic|work> I want to end X
[07:13] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: next time i sign on. i'll be in ubuntu!
[07:13] <sic|work> installing nvidia driver
[07:14] <Echylo> ctrl + alt + backspace
[07:14] <sic|work> thanks Echylo
[07:14] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: best of luck
[07:14] <_4strO> sic|work> ctrl-alt-backspace and kill gdm
[07:15] <Echylo> hey , how do you speed up gaim sending speed?
[07:15] <Echylo> it does it @ 3kbs
[07:15] <Echylo> no more
[07:20] <speel> Echylo: i think it depends on aols servers
[07:20] <speel> or your connection
[07:20] <jesus\> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1342
[07:20] <jesus\> help :(
[07:20] <jesus\> I can't kill proftpd
[07:21] <speel> do sudo proftpd stop
[07:21] <crimsun> jesus\: sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd stop
[07:21] <jesus\> check the link first
[07:21] <crimsun> yes, I read that pastebin url
[07:21] <jesus\> i tried stop, force-stop, but it doesn't go away
[07:21] <jesus\> i have never had kill -9 fail on me
[07:21] <speel> proftpd stop
[07:21] <speel> proftpd stop
[07:21] <speel> proftpd stop
[07:21] <speel> proftpd stop
[07:22] <crimsun> jesus\: notice that those processes are in 'D' state
[07:22] <crimsun> jesus\: more than likely your disk is spewing errors
[07:22] <jesus\> what's the "d" state?
[07:22] <crimsun> jesus\: try checking dmesg for error/panic/oops output
[07:22] <crimsun> jesus\: uninterruptible sleep
[07:22] <k-n4b15> someone to help me with ubuntu please ?
[07:23] <speel> k-n4b15: state your problem
[07:24] <k-n4b15> i want to install ubuntu on an old PC (166 MHz) but i can't boot on the CDROM
[07:24] <jesus\> crimsun:  http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1343
[07:24] <k-n4b15> how can i boot from a floppy to install it ?
[07:24] <crimsun> jesus\: it's a little more involved than just grepping for those strings
[07:24] <crimsun> jesus\: e.g., manually look through dmesg|less
[07:24] <jesus\> hmkeej
[07:24] <jesus\> i will
[07:25] <Nekohayo> macewan, just to tell you the amarok "relooking" worked out as expected :)
[07:25] <k-n4b15> i tried SMB but it didn't detect my CDROM drive
[07:25] <speel> k-n4b15: you cant install ubuntu from floppy if thats what you want
[07:25] <Nightie> Hello!
[07:25] <k-n4b15> there's no way to boot from a floppy to run the install ?
[07:26] <macewan> screenshot please
[07:26] <speel> k-n4b15: not that i know of
[07:26] <Echylo> speel, I can upload 30kbs max, and nobody I know has aol
[07:26] <Loevborg> k-n4b15, maybe you can get it to boot from a usb key?
[07:26] <olenuu1> http://img26.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img26&image=screenshot1lv.png how i can open "fail.run" :S
[07:26] <Nightie> when I try to "./configure --prefix=/usr && make install" clearlooks-3.0, I get the following
[07:26] <k-n4b15> erf....no USB on an old PC that can't boot on CDROM....
[07:27] <Nightie> checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[07:27] <Nightie> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[07:27] <Nightie> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[07:27] <Nightie> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[07:27] <Nightie> configure: error: GTK+-2.0 is required to compile clearlooks-engine
[07:27] <macewan> Nekohayo: congrats - please provide a screenshot
[07:27] <Nightie> can you help me please?
[07:28] <macewan> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc
[07:28] <speel> ah nightie you read that osnews article eh? lol
[07:28] <Nekohayo> yeah will do, just a sec ;)
[07:28] <crimsun> Nightie: you need libgtk2.0-dev at least
[07:28] <Nightie> speel :: loool!
[07:28] <k-n4b15> ok thanks anyway guys...
[07:28] <k-n4b15> bye
[07:28] <speel> =p
[07:29] <Nightie> crimsun :: now adding that...
[07:29] <jesus\> crimsun:  i found no errors in dmesg, the only error-like things re the ntfs-errors
[07:30] <jesus\> crimsun:  I hdparm'ed my disks yesterday, can that be the problem or would there be some output in dmesg if something goes wrong?
[07:30] <crimsun> jesus\: short of ptracing the master process, I don't know.
[07:30] <jesus\> system works fine btw except for that
[07:30] <Nightie> macewan :: God, nice to meet you! One of the best blogs ever read!
[07:30] <MarcN> No new ubuntu backgrounds today?
[07:30] <crimsun> jesus\: you could check whichever changes you made using hdparm
[07:30] <macewan> blush
[07:30] <crimsun> MarcN: sheesh, could you wait a day? ;-)
[07:30] <speel> grr the worst thing i must say is the universe/multiverse teams dont keep there packages uptoday =/ BAH
[07:30] <crimsun> speel: eh?
[07:31] <speel> up to date*
[07:31] <MarcN> crimsun: I just want my monthly softcore porn images ;-)
[07:31] <crimsun> speel: which packages?
[07:31] <speel> well for one there is a new gaim version and also netpanzer is out of date
[07:31] <crimsun> speel: we don't handle gaim - that's in main
[07:31] <crimsun> speel: and main is frozen
[07:31] <macewan> Nightie: did not realize anyone actually read the crap I post
[07:32] <Loevborg> I can't seem to hear any sound from my ubuntu box, not sure whether it's a hardware or software problem... any idea how to test this easily?
[07:32] <Nekohayo> macewan, http://public.nanokron.info/upload/screenshots/ and there are two pngs (khloe-linux-2005-03-01-gnome-amarok-ugly.png and khloe-linux-2005-03-01-gnome-amarok-better.png)
[07:32] <speel> ah i did not know that
[07:32] <speel> i had also emaild the guy who takes care of the netpanzer package ;P
[07:32] <crimsun> netpanzer's home page seems to be inaccessible presently
[07:33] <speel> odd
[07:33] <veristead> k... how do i install something from source
[07:33] <veristead> ?
[07:33] <spazery> when ubuntu installs does it install the file gnomeConf.sh
[07:33] <speel> was working 2 days ago
[07:33] <spazery> or create the file should i say
[07:34] <macewan> Nekohayo: wow
[07:34] <speel> ah works now
[07:34] <speel> http://netpanzer.berlios.de/
[07:34] <crimsun> speel: have you tested 0.8 personally?
[07:35] <bur[n] er> anyone tried sonance music app?
[07:35] <macewan> didn't compile for me
[07:35] <macewan> well, gtksharp barfed
[07:35] <bur[n] er> that's what i was afraid of ;)
[07:36] <bur[n] er> it's got promise though :)
[07:36] <crimsun> note that hoary/universe has -unstable packages for gtk#, etc.
[07:36] <veristead> ok.... i jst downloaded the source to xchat
[07:36] <bur[n] er> reeeeaaaaally... gotta find my laptop with hoary ;)
[07:36] <veristead> and i tried to compile it
[07:37] <veristead> but no acceptable c compiler was found
[07:37] <veristead> so do i need to download one
[07:37] <crimsun> veristead: install build-essential
[07:37] <macewan> bur[n] er: don't give up on it because of me ;)
[07:37] <jesus\> crimsun:  what do you mean by that?
[07:37] <bur[n] er> macewan: i'm not, just curious what i was in for
[07:37] <crimsun> jesus\: by what?
[07:37] <bur[n] er> if it was quick, i'd do it now before work ;)
[07:37] <jesus\> crimsun:  I also have a constant load of 62% (when I'm doing nothing)
[07:37] <veristead> crimsun: come again
[07:37] <Xappe> i want an iptables gui frontend other than firestarter. any suggestions?
[07:37] <jesus\> crimsun:  by "crimsun jesus\: you could check whichever changes you made using hdparm"
[07:37] <crimsun> veristead: sudo aptitude install build-essential, or use Synaptic to install the build-essential package
[07:38] <macewan> I'm a duffus so you can't judge your success my my failures
[07:38] <hawke_> Xappe: guarddog
[07:38] <macewan> by my failures
[07:38] <speel> no but i know that you need the newst versions to play on the public servers
[07:38] <Xappe> hawke, is it in the repos?
[07:38] <hawke_> Xappe: should be.  Possibly in universe
[07:38] <crimsun> speel: if you can verify that 0.8 seems stable, we may can look into it. Note that today is essentially the last day to push new versions of software into universe.
[07:39] <Xappe> hawke, bah, it's a kde app...i want a gtk+ one
[07:40] <speel> well the debian team has the .deb package under testing
[07:40] <crimsun> jesus\: e.g., revert whatever changes you made using hdparm
[07:40] <veristead> ok
[07:40] <veristead> got it
[07:40] <veristead> thanx
[07:40] <Xappe> speel, i've compiled netpanzer 0.8
[07:40] <hawke_> Xappe: Ah, sorry.  Let me know if you find something good that's gtk-based.
[07:40] <speel> did it work correctly?
[07:41] <veristead> but later on i want to find someone who can help me with this whole backend script problem
[07:41] <Xappe> speel, i think so...played some matches aginst a buddy that installed it on windows
[07:41] <bur[n] er> anyone know if a wifi gui is going to make it into hoary?
[07:41] <speel> ah nice ;)
[07:41] <veristead> i cnt access 'networking' nor 'Date and Time"
[07:41] <veristead> which is not very helpful
[07:42] <speel> is it fairly easy to make .deb packages for ubuntu?
[07:43] <hawke_> speel: reasonably.
[07:43] <hawke_> speel: particularly in the case of a simple one-binary application
[07:43] <hawke_> speel: libraries tend to be more complicated.
[07:43] <speel> is there a how to on it?
[07:43] <dtygel> hawke: thanks a lot: it worked. I changed successfully my home folder back to its original place.
[07:43] <veristead> :-\
[07:43] <hawke_> dtygel: awesome..
[07:43] <dtygel> :)
[07:43] <hawke_> dtygel: Any idea why it failed?
[07:44] <hawke_> dtygel: My guess would be permissions on the new location..
[07:44] <veristead> could not run glib test program
[07:44] <veristead> glib not found
[07:44] <veristead> what package is that in?
[07:44] <crimsun> speel: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/  or  sudo aptitude install maint-guide
[07:44] <elvirolo> hi all!
[07:44] <crimsun> veristead: libglib2.0-dev
[07:44] <veristead> ah... so apt-get libglib2.0-dev?
[07:44] <elvirolo> has anyone had sound problems recently with Hoary ?
[07:44] <viper12> cool.....more press for ubuntu.  www.guilinux reviews the warty.
[07:45] <speel> crimsun: well it would be nice to have netpanzer 0.8 out beacause you really cant play in any of the pub servers with the old version but hey the decision is up to you guys
[07:45] <crimsun> elvirolo: what type of sound problems?
[07:45] <veristead> crimsun?
[07:45] <crimsun> veristead: yes
[07:45] <elvirolo> crimsun, just the "cannot open device /dev/dsp" or whatever
[07:46] <crimsun> elvirolo: is GNOME giving you that error when you log in, or is a specific [set of]  applications?
[07:46] <spiral> hi back
[07:47] <delltony> question has anyone else noticed this before i file a bug report, the firefox in hoary when you try to highlight text it doesn't work correctly lets say your at the end of hte link and go to highlight it shoots to very first of the line but sometimes you don't want to start at the first but thats the only way it will allow you to highlight is if you start from right to left at the beginning of the line
[07:47] <elvirolo> crimsun, no nothing to to with gnome (I use either fluxbox or KDE), and the problem occurs with totem, enemy territory, amarok etc...
[07:47] <crimsun> veristead: you may find it useful to go ahead and execute: sudo apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-cleanice
[07:48] <crimsun> elvirolo: does System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Audio>Default Sink>ESD>Test work?
[07:49] <esher> are there a port of new kvirc 3.2.x for ubuntu outhere ?
[07:49] <macewan> It's so much easier to compile and test while listening to the Dalai Lama discuss the Art of Happiness :)
[07:49] <crimsun> elvirolo: doubt it. Not even Debian has 3.2.x - experimental only has 3.0.2
[07:50] <crimsun> err
[07:50] <crimsun> esher: doubt it. Not even Debian has 3.2.x - experimental only has 3.0.2
[07:50] <elvirolo> crimsun, let me logon to gnome
[07:51] <sfl> hi
[07:51] <veristead> you know there should be a search box in synaptic
[07:52] <veristead> so you can jst search for the package you are looking for
[07:52] <veristead> dnt say hoary has it
[07:52] <StoffBox-Steve> when i want to install a bootsplash must i compile a new kernel ? > think so ... :(
[07:52] <bur[n] er> veristead: there is that functionality in synaptic
[07:52] <veristead> is there?
[07:52] <veristead> where?
[07:53] <bur[n] er> one sec ;) i'm loading it to find out
[07:53] <bur[n] er> i know it's there
[07:53] <veristead> oh
[07:53] <veristead> lol
[07:53] <Dr_willis> button called search? :"P
[07:53] <veristead> the button that says search
[07:53] <StoffBox-Steve> veristead, at the menu you find it
[07:53] <veristead> lol
[07:53] <veristead> found it
[07:53] <veristead> i'm blind
[07:53] <veristead> hehe
[07:53] <bur[n] er> yep ;)
[07:53] <StoffBox-Steve> how you can miss it ? its so big *lol*
[07:54] <Nekohayo> hm, I can't change anything in my gnome menu, anybody know why? (can't add/delete anything)
[07:54] <veristead> cuz i'm white
[07:54] <veristead> actually i dnt know
[07:54] <Rods_Tiger> Hi all. I've just installed ubuntu.
[07:54] <veristead> i'm new to this whole thing
[07:54] <crimsun> Nekohayo: for warty or hoary?
[07:54] <veristead> that you call Linux
[07:54] <Nekohayo> crimsun, hoary
[07:54] <bur[n] er> Nekohayo: i can't in hoary either (only in debian i can)
[07:54] <Nekohayo> weird it is.
[07:54] <Rods_Tiger> One thing I'd like to suss out is how to get it to regard the boot partition I already have.
[07:55] <Nekohayo> has this been filed as a bug or something?
[07:55] <crimsun> Nekohayo: because that functionality was stripped several months ago
[07:55] <Nekohayo> crimsun, uh? why is that?
[07:55] <yonkeltron> Dr_willis: ok i installed ubuntu and there is still no sound....
[07:55] <veristead> Rods_Tiger: i would like that as well
[07:55] <bur[n] er> new == rationalize for missing a 'search' button? ;)  (just playin)
[07:55] <crimsun> Nekohayo: upstream decision, I don't know.
[07:55] <Rods_Tiger> Another thing I'd like to find is how to install pan.
[07:55] <veristead> yea me neither i cnt get the sound to work
[07:55] <Nekohayo> crimsun, thanks, I'll dig a bit on this..
[07:55] <bur[n] er> turn up the volume
[07:55] <crimsun> Rods_Tiger: install it
[07:55] <veristead> it says
[07:55] <Rods_Tiger> crimsun, it's not listed.
[07:56] <veristead> Sorry, no mixer elements and/or device found"
[07:56] <veristead> which sux
[07:56] <Rods_Tiger> crimsun, the answer to "how to install pan" is obviously not to "install it".
[07:56] <delltony> question if i'm on a ati 9700 series for my lappy and ati has x.org 6.8 that is the correct driver i need right ?
[07:56] <bur[n] er> what app veristead ?
[07:56] <crimsun> Rods_Tiger: then enable the universe repo
[07:56] <StoffBox-Steve> i too veristead :) 3 weeks now ... love it, only kernel stuff, that sucks ^^
[07:57] <Rods_Tiger> crimsun, I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Explain.
[07:57] <Dr_willis> yonkeltron,  use the sound mixer and up the volumes.. be sure to check all the sliders.
[07:57] <veristead> the volume control app
[07:57] <bur[n] er> Rods_Tiger: search teh wiki for synaptic :)
[07:57] <veristead> and the one that shows in the panel doesn't work
[07:57] <Dr_willis> yonkeltron,  often the defaults are MUTED
[07:57] <veristead> i raise it and it jst goes back down
[07:57] <crimsun> Rods_Tiger: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[07:57] <veristead> and now it cnt find lperl
[07:57] <Dr_willis> i perfer the alsa-mixer myself over the gnome one.
[07:57] <veristead> what package is that in?
[07:58] <bur[n] er> Rods_Tiger: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[07:58] <yonkeltron> Dr_willis: no mixer elements found
[07:58] <veristead> crimsun: where is lperl
[07:58] <veristead> ?
[07:58] <bur[n] er> no idea what lperl is
[07:58] <crimsun> veristead: "lperl"?
[07:58] <pussfeller> how you list users in irsii
[07:58] <juan> hi guyz, i'm installing mplayer on hoary, but in the ./configure it says that I haven't oss (I have it and alsa) how can I deactivate oss? frot only use alsa and mplayer recognizes alsa... ?
[07:58] <crimsun> pussfeller: /names
[07:59] <pussfeller> danke
[07:59] <bur[n] er> pussfeller: or /who
[07:59] <yonkeltron> Dr_willis: how do i set the sudo password btw?
[07:59] <veristead> yea it says  "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl
[07:59] <crimsun> veristead: install libperl-dev
[07:59] <StoffBox-Steve> sudo pw is you userpw yonkeltron
[07:59] <juan> how can I deactivate oss? or I have to recompile the kernel... ?
[07:59] <LinuxJones> juan, gstreamer-properties
[07:59] <crimsun> juan: don't worry about it, just go ahead and compile mplayer
[07:59] <Dr_willis> yonkeltron,  its your users password
[08:00] <yonkeltron> stoffbox-stever...gotcha
[08:00] <goldfish> pussfeller: /n if you are lazy
[08:00] <juan> crimsun I compilet mplayer and I have to kill esd to listen de videos
[08:00] <LinuxJones> juan, sorry I have to learn to read more :D
[08:00] <karsten2> Where's ubuntu's iptables config by default?
[08:00] <juan> thanks LinuxJones
[08:00] <crimsun> juan: you could tell mplayer to use esd
[08:00] <hawke_> karsten: I don't think it has one by default
[08:00] <crimsun> juan: you could set it in the config file, or use -ao esd
[08:01] <juan> oh crimsun I see
[08:01] <juan> thanks :)
[08:01] <yonkeltron> Dr_willis: should i install something like discover to try and help me auto-setup the soundcard?
[08:02] <karsten2> hawke_: any recommendations on where to put it?
[08:02] <Dr_willis> i only use soundblaster cards and its seen them all on my 3 machines.. never had an issue.
[08:02] <Rods_Tiger> crimsun, bur[n] er, those urls can't be accessed - the browser is unable to verify the identity of www.ubuntulinux.org as a trusted site.
[08:02] <Dr_willis> work time for me.. byeee...
[08:02] <bur[n] er> yonkeltron: lspci - find out what kinda sound card;  lsmod - see if the module is loaded
[08:02] <crimsun> Rods_Tiger: then use http instead of https
[08:02] <hawke_> karsten: Perhaps /etc/network/ifup.d
[08:02] <bur[n] er> yonkeltron: also check to see that your user is in the 'audio' group
[08:02] <Rods_Tiger> crimsun, same url but http?
[08:03] <bur[n] er> Rods_Tiger: wtf browser are you using?
[08:03] <yonkeltron> Dr_willis: yeah:
[08:03] <yonkeltron> 0000:02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value]  EMU10k1X
[08:03] <yonkeltron> 0000:02:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value]  Input device controller
[08:03] <Rods_Tiger> bur[n] er, "firefox"
[08:03] <bur[n] er> yonkeltron: see snd-emu10k1 or just emu10k1?
[08:03] <Rods_Tiger> crimsun, that worked. Thanks
[08:03] <yonkeltron> bur[n] er: have a look at what i pasted in....
[08:04] <tolstoy> folks, after today's updates, my mouse "disappears" over emacs windows when I do a new frame.  Anyone else get that?
[08:04] <macewan> bur[n] er: just installed sonance - for what it's worth
[08:04] <tolstoy> actually, the mouse is black, and so is the background of my emacs "new framed" windows.
[08:04] <bur[n] er> macewan: from ubuntu debs or source
[08:04] <macewan> source
[08:05] <karsten2> hawke_: I'm karsten2, not karsten
[08:05] <bur[n] er> cool, just curious
[08:05] <macewan> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/downloads/
[08:05] <hawke_> karsten2: sorry, autocompletion. :-/
[08:05] <karsten2> hawke_: I know ;-)
[08:05] <bur[n] er> macewan: i have the source ;)
[08:05] <karsten2> hawke_: I'm also karsten, but at home.
[08:05] <hawke_> karsten2: though I'd not be offended if you called me hawke ...which is me at home, hehe.
[08:06] <tolstoy> Interestingly, the main emacs window (from which I spawned frames) works okay: the mouse pointer has a white border around it.
[08:07] <macewan> hrm, i cvs'd gst-sharp & svn'd sonance
[08:07] <tolstoy> Must be an X thing.
[08:07] <karsten2> hawke_: Heh.
[08:07] <veristead> yay
[08:07] <veristead> got it
[08:08] <shock> is there a shell command to count the files in a directory?
[08:09] <tolstoy> ll | wc -l
[08:09] <tolstoy> ?
[08:09] <shock> mom
[08:09] <yonkeltron> Dr_willis: it's a dell machine. could that have something to do with it?
[08:09] <shock> ll - command not found
[08:09] <yonkeltron> should i run alsa-conf or something?
[08:09] <tolstoy> ls -l | wc -l
[08:09] <bur[n] er> ls -l |wc -l   (and minus 1)
[08:09] <bur[n] er> :)
[08:10] <hawke_> karsten2: On at least one machine, I just put the output of 'iptables-save' into a file, and manually restore that on bootup.
[08:10] <hawke_> karsten2: wouldn't be hard to script though
[08:10] <bur[n] er> so how do you subtract 1 from the output? ;)
[08:11] <bur[n] er> tolstoy: shock: ls | wc -l works better
[08:11] <erlend_> does anybody else have the problem that dvd's can only be burned at about half speed in linux ? i have tried using both cdrecord-prodvd and k3b
[08:11] <tolstoy> bur[n] er, weird.  doesn't count the directory?
[08:11] <mjr> *5*8
[08:12] <lunitik> bur[n] er: umm... not really... maybe 'ls | wc -w' ...
[08:12] <lunitik> providing no files have spaces...
[08:13] <lunitik> ls returns one line, but wc -l returns correct number? idgi
[08:14] <bur[n] er> tolstoy: ls -l has the total which it counts too which is a problem
[08:14] <bur[n] er> alias count="ls | wc -w"
[08:14] <bur[n] er> :)
[08:14] <tolstoy> bur[n] er, oh, right, but there's a switch to remove that somewhere.
[08:15] <Keithamus> Hello everyone!
[08:15] <Keithamus> I have come here to pick someones brains about a problem installing Ubuntu....
[08:15] <jon1012> hi everybody :)
[08:15] <delltony> anyone know where i might find a detailed (hold your hand) howto to setup the ati card on hoary i see the one on the forums speaking about XFree but I see nothing in regard to Xorg and I don't want to bork my system if i can help it :)
[08:15] <Rods_Tiger> what's recommended for allowing a browser to open pdfs?
[08:16] <juan> ajjj the ubuntu mirror is so slow :( I have a 1 mb connection and I'm downloading at
[08:16] <juan> 25% [7 Packages 95040/2210kB 4%]                                  13.2kB/s 2m40s
[08:16] <knoppix> howdy
[08:16] <juan> :''(
[08:16] <knoppix> anyone there
[08:16] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, adobe reader?
[08:16] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* this *ahh* fck samba :(
[08:16] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, or gpdf
[08:16] <goldfish> acroreader
[08:16] <knoppix> does anyone know cpp really well?
[08:16] <mastertet> Hi, I have a problem with rythmbox, when I try to play radio, it crash!
[08:16] <knoppix> C++
[08:16] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, uhm, i meant acroreader sorry
[08:16] <knoppix> i need C++ help
[08:16] <knoppix> :)
[08:16] <lunitik> knoppix: try #c++
[08:16] <knoppix> on this server?
[08:17] <lunitik> knoppix: yup
[08:17] <goldfish> yes
[08:17] <knoppix> kk thanks
[08:17] <Keithamus> my problem is that, when going through the install procedure of Ubuntu (4.10),  my screen displays stuff for less than a second, then goes off, and on again
[08:17] <Keithamus> keeps going to and fro showing stuff... as you can imagine it is quite irritating
[08:17] <bur[n] er> Keithamus: ? u think it's a problem with window manager? or X?
[08:17] <Keithamus> err
[08:18] <Keithamus> not sure, I dont know that much about linux, I would imagine X, seeing as it happens in the install procedure
[08:18] <Keithamus> as in, i load up the CD, boot and it happens
[08:18] <shock> <bur[n] er> - many thx!
[08:18] <lunitik> bur[n] er: during install... X is never used...
[08:18] <Symbiote> can someone tell me how to fix the lag problem i have on my freshly installed ubuntu i have in all games. if i set it to lower color like 565 then it works ok
[08:18] <StoffBox-Steve> someone an idea why Samba work fine, but after a restart the lan seems to be killed ?
[08:19] <bur[n] er> nah, iddn't know this was during install... assumed post-install ;)
[08:19] <bur[n] er> shock: thank you, that's a fun addition to my ~/.bashrc :)
[08:19] <juan> !!!
[08:19] <juan> I don't tolerate anymore that!! :(
[08:19] <Rods_Tiger> erlend_, I've just installed gpdf, but firefox is still complaining that the pdf could not be opened, because the associated helper application does not exist, and to change the association in my preferences. However, the preferences say absolutely nothing about pdfs or suchlike.
[08:20] <juan> 41% [5 Packages 573120/2210kB 25%]                                 7668B/s 3m33s   !!!!
[08:20] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, install acroreader. you can find acroreader plugin for firefox also
[08:20] <juan> and I'm able to download at 115 kbps!
[08:20] <bur[n] er> Rods_Tiger: did you check the firefox associations?
[08:20] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, i think you can read about it on www.ubuntuguide.org if i am not completely mistaken
[08:20] <juan> what's happen with the servers?
[08:20] <Symbiote> can someone help me set up an nvidia graphic card?
[08:21] <yonkeltron> i am really not pleased with ubuntu and hardware right now. it didn't detect my soundcard and it doesn't have the driver for my networked printer (HP Deskjet 6800)
[08:21] <lunitik> Symbiote: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:21] <juan> i'm downloading at 7 kbps! please
[08:21] <Symbiote> i tried that
[08:21] <Symbiote> nothing changed
[08:21] <lunitik> Symbiote: you restart X after you did it?
[08:21] <Symbiote> sure
[08:21] <juan> inacceptable
[08:21] <redissexy> the latest Ubuntu kernel has some problem with GTK+ threads? weird. I rebooted my install and now an application of mine (Ruby-GTK+) does not crash anymore...
[08:21] <Symbiote> well i did ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:21] <StoffBox-Steve> thats really hard juan
[08:22] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, apt-get install acroread acroread-plugin
[08:22] <mastertet> so nobody knows how to deal with radio in rythmbox?
[08:22] <elvirolo_> !help
[08:22] <elvirolo_> crimmson gone ?
[08:22] <Rods_Tiger> bur[n] er, what are the firefox associations?
[08:22] <lunitik> juan: inacceptable is unacceptable  ;)
[08:22] <juan> lunitik yea
[08:22] <lunitik> mastertet: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:22] <juan> so speak spanish :)
[08:23] <bur[n] er> go to "edit -> preferences" then "Downloads" then look for "File Types" in the right pane
[08:23] <Symbiote> lunitik, my graph card is kinda outdated but still it should run games like UO normally :/
[08:23] <mastertet> thanks lunitik!
[08:23] <juan> I want to see how can you speak spanish lunitik :)
[08:23] <Rods_Tiger> erlend_, type that in a terminal?
[08:23] <veristead> ok... so what is a good DVD player app for Ubuntu?
[08:23] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, well or start synaptic. search for acroread. install it + the plugin. then you should be set !
[08:23] <veristead> the totem movie player seemingly isn't working
[08:23] <Rods_Tiger> erlend_, typing that in doesn't work
[08:23] <veristead> and if someone else has a suggestion that would be cool
[08:24] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, "sudo apt-get install acroread-plugin"
[08:24] <Rods_Tiger> erlend_, it's not in synaptic either
[08:24] <Keithamus> so yea, like I say; booting the install CD, when it gets to language selection, the display keeps going off and on. Anyone got any ideas/solutions please?
[08:24] <jon1012> (I know that it's not the right place for this, but as the ubuntu user are gnome 2 user, I just wanted to say that I'm searching for beta-testers for the Appliworks software ( http://appliworks.jondesign.net ))
[08:24] <lunitik> juan: je ne habla espanyol   :(
[08:24] <Rods_Tiger> erlend_, E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:24] <Rods_Tiger> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:24] <goldfish> Rods_Tiger: you are using apt-get at same time
[08:24] <veristead> anyone?
[08:25] <Rods_Tiger> goldfish, I was just told to
[08:25] <veristead> a good DVD player program for Ubuntu Linux
[08:25] <lunitik> veristead: that is in the wiki
[08:25] <erlend_> Rods_Tiger, to fix your problem without having to ask a lot of questions: read about it on www.ubuntuguide.org . it is explained perfectly :)
[08:25] <goldfish> Rods_Tiger: Oh right, u cant use apt-get and synaptic at the same time.
[08:25] <jon1012> veristead > try to reinstall gstreamer  (if you are working with totem-gstreamer), or maybe, switch to totem-xine and install xine
[08:26] <veristead> jon1012 it's gstreamer. is that in a package on synaptic
[08:26] <juan> lunitik I just want to say the ubuntu server are suc*ing 'cause I can download at 115 kbps and only i'm downloading from ubuntu servers at 7 kbps... I think it's ...
[08:26] <juan> server*
[08:26] <jon1012> veristead > ok, so maybe you could try to switch to totem-xine and install xine ?
[08:26] <veristead> jon1012 if so which package
[08:26] <juan> 959B/s 14s !!!!
[08:26] <juan> 0.9 kbps!
[08:27] <veristead> ok... where can i get it?
[08:27] <jon1012> using synaptic ;)
[08:27] <lunitik> juan: try a different mirror? its a sign that Ubuntu is getting more popular... else that that box sucks  (the one hosting the files)
[08:27] <jon1012> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[08:27] <Keithamus> is anyone available to help me with my problem pls?
[08:27] <juan> lunitik I tried my country mirror and the official mirror
[08:28] <jon1012> veristead> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[08:28] <StoffBox-Steve_> -- i make a new kernel, on the with the new one it seems to work but after the "booting the kernel" its stop .. normaly "starting ubuntu" comes up.... andy ideas ?
[08:28] <veristead> yep got it jon1012
[08:28] <veristead> thanx
[08:28] <veristead> 900kbps
[08:28] <veristead> and jst about done
[08:28] <jon1012> you're welcome ;)
[08:28] <yonkeltron> Dr_willis: the volume applet in the panel will not even allow me to raise the volume!
[08:29] <veristead> oops there are two files to download
[08:29] <veristead> 1s remaining
[08:29] <juan> fucking freesoft... 'cause I don't pay.. I can't get a ubuntu package... the slowness is coverting Ubuntu inusable
[08:29] <jon1012> veristead > I have to go to eat
[08:30] <veristead> k... now that i have totem-xine how do i launch it
[08:30] <veristead> where did it download + install to
[08:30] <veristead> ?
[08:30] <Jon1012-Away> launch it via command line ;)
[08:30] <Jon1012-Away> totem-xine
[08:30] <Jon1012-Away> to try it
[08:30] <juan> veristead ! synaptic! apt
[08:30] <devdude> anyone know when hoary stable will be released?
[08:30] <Keithamus> veristead, i think most apps that u install go to /usr/bin/
[08:30] <juan> or, if u want, compile it
[08:31] <Keithamus> devdude around April sometime
[08:31] <juan> devdude april :) 5.04 (2005-april)
[08:31] <devdude> thanks
[08:32] <Keithamus> so yea, can anyone help with my monitor troubles please?
[08:32] <Keithamus> the display only stays on for less than 1 second, then it comes back on, goes off, on, off on etc etc
[08:32] <Keithamus> when I am in the installer for the distro that is
[08:32] <scizzo> Keithamus: restart X
[08:33] <veristead> woah
[08:33] <veristead> requests alot of CPU to play my DVD
[08:33] <Keithamus> scizzo, it is when I am in the installer
[08:33] <veristead> and no volume
[08:33] <Xappe> hmm, i'm stuck with firestarter...and when it's enabled it won't let me use internet at all...thought that it should be restrictive only for incoming connections...
[08:33] <scizzo> Keithamus: ummm....sounds weird
[08:33] <StoffBox-Steve_> noone an idea ? :(
[08:33] <Keithamus> scizzo > vry...
[08:34] <veristead> how do i eject a removable storage
[08:34] <Keithamus> scizzo, my monitor seems to be problematic usually, it didnt work with MEPIS because MEPIS default res is 1024x768@70hz, which my monitor cant do
[08:34] <Keithamus> but this is alot weirder
[08:35] <veristead> how do i eject a file?
[08:35] <scizzo> I have no idea
[08:35] <Xappe> a can't see where to set rules for outgoing connections...and when I read the online help (with the firewall off, because it won't let me connect to http) the y claim that it should allow me to do whatever...
[08:35] <veristead> er... CD
[08:35] <veristead> i have a DVD in there but how do i eject it?
[08:36] <scizzo> veristead: its not listed on the desktop?
[08:36] <cybane> YAY! I have the time for my interview and it is tomorrow!
[08:36] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question: what am I trying to do (so I can look for info) if I want to remove duplicate entries in a log file. aka, I want a list of everyone who's logged in, but I don't want the duplicates of that list
[08:36] <veristead> yea it is
[08:36] <veristead> but how do i eject it
[08:36] <veristead> ?
[08:36] <Keithamus> does anyone know what the resolution and hz are set to for the ubuntu installer then?
[08:36] <veristead> scizzo: it is but i cnt eject it
[08:36] <lavigj> veristead: right click it and select eject?
[08:37] <yonkeltron> where can i stop the filemanager from opening new windows for each folder?
[08:37] <veristead> doh
[08:37] <scizzo> veristead: right click and eject?
[08:37] <RainMoods> hi all
[08:37] <hubert> hi! where in ubuntu is located grub.conf ?
[08:37] <veristead> yep
[08:37] <veristead> i got it
[08:37] <veristead> lol
[08:37] <lavigj> veristead: it needs to unmount. right click/eject unmounts it and also ejects it
[08:37] <veristead> du!
[08:37] <veristead> yep got it
[08:37] <lavigj> veristead: :)
[08:37] <HcE> hubert: configuration to grub is usually in /boot/grub/
[08:37] <veristead> next step... audio..
[08:37] <veristead> how do i get audio to work?
[08:38] <veristead> i am using an iBook
[08:38] <lavigj> veristead: good luck :) mine just worked...
[08:38] <veristead> and it seems to need a driver or something
[08:38] <RainMoods> my printer tells me it's paused... when I click resume it goes back to paused
[08:38] <RainMoods> what to do?
[08:38] <veristead> click pause
[08:38] <veristead> maybe it will resume
[08:38] <hubert> HcE: there is no such file in this directory on my system
[08:38] <veristead> :-P
[08:38] <veristead> lavigj how did you get the sound to work?
[08:39] <Keithamus> hubert, why not search for it using the file manager search function?
[08:39] <HcE> hubert: tried running "update-grub"?
[08:39] <lavigj> veristead: mine just worked. my laptop has an intel chipset, and my desktop is sound blaster
[08:39] <lavigj> veristead: I didn't have to do anything special
[08:39] <ycco> anyone know how I can get a user to log in to say: F8 instead of F7?
[08:40] <ycco> I want to have X running on both F7 as well as F8
[08:40] <hubert> HcE: thanks, update-grub found my new kernel and installed it
[08:40] <HcE> hihi
[08:40] <RainMoods> that does not work... it worked till this morning when I did an upgrade..
[08:40] <HcE> hubert: now you can look in /boot/grub/
[08:40] <lavigj> ok, I grepped a log file to get every line that has "Login". how do I get rid of duplicate logins now?
[08:40] <ycco> bbiab
[08:41] <hubert> HcE: no such file still
[08:41] <Pluk> ycco edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[08:41] <bur[n] er> anyone know if there are ways to make 'x' aliases?  like to make a special aterm, so when i did alt+f2 and typed "aterm" it would be my cool "aterm -T irssi blah blah blah" ??
[08:41] <HcE> hubert: strange, try to locate or find|grep for it
[08:41] <HcE> hubert: it's called menu.lst in my system
[08:42] <styx2005> how can i change boot order in grub?
[08:42] <jesus_detached> i could use the "screen resolution" button before I used the fglrx driver for my ATI, but now I can only switch resolutions by pressing ctrl+alt+<+>
[08:42] <yonkeltron> why doesn't ubuntu have standard package repositories? i can't apt-get cmucl or anything like that!
[08:42] <HcE> styx2005: alter the value of "default"
[08:42] <RainMoods> cant wait longer, will search further for my silly paused printer problem
[08:42] <hubert> HcE: that's it, menu.1st I got it too
[08:42] <HcE> styx2005: the first kernel in the list is 0
[08:42] <styx2005> HcE in where?
[08:42] <hubert> thanks
[08:43] <HcE> styx2005: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:43] <HcE> I've been hacking with grub all this week ;)
[08:43] <styx2005> HcE i'll try it
[08:43] <Pluk> yonkeltron, cmucl is in universe.. edit /etc/apt/sources.list to have access to universe
[08:45] <yonkeltron> Pluk: and what about my soundcard? i'm not very impressed with ubuntu right now
[08:47] <Pluk> yonkeltron, your using warty?
[08:47] <yonkeltron> Pluk: yeah. 4.10
[08:47] <Pluk> what soundcard?
[08:47] <yonkeltron> creative soundblaster live
[08:48] <Pluk> lsmod |grep emu10k1
[08:49] <Pluk> does that give anything/
[08:49] <Echylo> hmm where can I find information about how viruses work? i mean source code stuff, and no I won't create one, too stupid for it
[08:49] <Echylo> or it would be stupid
[08:50] <Echylo> I hate them
[08:50] <lavigj> anyone here good and working with log files?
[08:50] <Pluk> or does lsmod list emu10k1.. cuz it might be case sensitive
[08:50] <goldfish> Echylo: Google.
[08:50] <yonkeltron> Pluk: no...should i apt-get install discover? it couldn't hurt
[08:50] <prats> hi. somebody help me install thunderbird?
[08:51] <Echylo> what is google, never heard of
[08:51] <Echylo> you think I ain't using it :&
[08:51] <scizzo> Echylo: www.google.com
[08:51] <Echylo> oow that google
[08:51] <Echylo> :s
[08:51] <scizzo> Echylo: start using search engines
[08:51] <Echylo> I am
[08:52] <Pluk> yonkeltron, modprobe snd-emu10k1
[08:52] <findeton> _Hi
[08:52] <mastertet> The audio preview in nautilus is not working on my warty, is this a feature only available under Hoary?
[08:52] <Pluk> but it shouldve detected it at boot
[08:52] <goldfish> Echylo: Are you looking for any virus in particular?
[08:52] <Pluk> brb
[08:52] <devo> maybe someone can help me with a mandrake 10 problem.  i tried to install a cable modem and it seems to have made it such that the ppp connection no longer works (although it still can dialup and connect!).  i run the browser and the pages won't load.  i'm flumoxed.
[08:52] <findeton> I have Hoary installed in my system and I'm having problem umounting my cdrom device
[08:52] <goldfish> Echylo: Or just viruses in general?
[08:53] <findeton> umount /media/cdrom0
[08:53] <findeton> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[08:53] <findeton> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[08:53] <styx2005> which p2p client to use with uuntu?
[08:53] <goldfish> amule
[08:53] <lavigj> findeton: if any window is open to that, you won't be able to
[08:53] <Echylo> in general
[08:54] <Echylo> specific worms
[08:54] <Echylo> I like to learn about them
[08:54] <Echylo> just the way they work :)
[08:54] <goldfish> in general, specific worms :)
[08:54] <yonkeltron> Pluk: nothing
[08:54] <Echylo> yea I know
[08:54] <Echylo> sorry
[08:54] <yonkeltron> Pluk: don't even have a mixer!
[08:54] <goldfish> Echylo: np :)
[08:55] <findeton> lavigj: no one opened. but I forgot to mention that I'm using kde (gnome is inexplicably slow)
[08:55] <lavigj> findeton: hmm. not sure theyn
[08:55] <devo> on mandrake 10 my cable modem installation attempt seems to have nuked my ppp connection.  it dials up and connects but the browser will not load pages.  any help would be appreciated.
[08:56] <neom> Does anyone know the name of the config file that contains the location of the server root for apache. Mine points to /var/www and I want to change that.
[08:56] <findeton> lavigj: ehm, I'm curious, why doesn't ubuntu use something like automount by default or something?
[08:57] <lavigj> findeton: I thought it did, but I am very new to ubuntu and even linux in general :)
[08:59] <findeton> lavigj: ah ok thanks anyway =)
[08:59] <yonkeltron> Pluk: any ideas?
[08:59] <Amaranth> it does automount
[08:59] <Amaranth> well, it does with gnome, anyway
[08:59] <Amaranth> gnome-volume-manager does it, iirc
[09:00] <lavigj> findeton: is there a particular error message you get when you try to unmount it?
[09:01] <isakn> which file system would be the smartest to use when installing ubuntu?
[09:01] <isakn> like reiserfs or what they all are called :)?
[09:01] <findeton> ahm let me try. I'm trying to do this in my brother's machine. it seems that he mounted the cd in gnome. gnome was becaming slower and slower and he switched to kde and now we're trying to umount it right from kde with the umount command
[09:02] <findeton> lavigj: umount /media/cdrom0
[09:02] <findeton> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[09:02] <findeton> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[09:02] <LinuxJones> isakn, I like ext3
[09:02] <LinuxJones> isakn, I't's very reliable
[09:02] <robodex> I have the same problem in warty with DVDs; it'll spin them and read them for about 5 minutes then spit out an error
[09:02] <lavigj> findeton: it might be because of that gnome thing. for whatever reason, the system thinks that's in use
[09:02] <isakn> alright, but, hmm - what's the difference actually?
[09:03] <lavigj> findeton: I am not sure if you can for umount something
[09:03] <findeton> lavigj: in fact this is what I get when I try to launch gnome-volume-manager from the cmd:
[09:03] <findeton> gnome-volume-manager
[09:03] <findeton> ** (gnome-volume-manager:26779): WARNING **: manager.c/1230: already running?
[09:03] <karsten2> What's the recommended firewall package?  I'm NATing for a small (< dozen) set of hosts between two nonroutable nets.  Institutional setting.
[09:03] <isakn> i heard about somebody whos file became smaller because of a filesystem shift (this is not a fact, but i slightly remember it). do you know anything about that LinuxJones?
[09:03] <findeton> should I kill the process?
[09:04] <karsten2> ...and I'd like mostly a simple NAT firewall that comes up when network starts.  I'm DHCPd from upstream, I DHCP host for downstream.
[09:04] <lavigj> findeton: take this with a big grain of salt, but if you are in KDE I don't see where the gnome file manager should matter much
[09:04] <lavigj> findeton: you can probably kill it and then unmount
[09:04] <yonkeltron> does ubuntu use alsa?
[09:04] <stefan_hb> vxc
[09:04] <findeton> ok let's try
[09:05] <lavigj> yonkeltron: esound, afaik
[09:05] <igors> da
[09:05] <karsten2> Is shorewall the ubuntu FW package?
[09:05] <yonkeltron> lavigj: then is there an esound config app? my soundcard doesn't work
[09:05] <lunitik> karsten2: you can use it to get a starting point for your iptables rules, sure...
[09:05] <karsten2> lunitik: Does it run console?
[09:05] <hubert> hi again, I compiled the linux kernel 2.6.10 and installed it, but I cannot boot it because I get 'kernel panic not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)'. can this be caused because of lack of initrd file for this kernel in /boot directory?
[09:05] <StoffBox-Steve> one of them :) karsten, im using Firestarter
[09:06] <karsten2> StoffBox-Steve: I'm karsten2
[09:06] <karsten2> StoffBox-Steve: OK.
[09:06] <lavigj> yonkeltron: ah, not sure. I assume you've checked the modules?
[09:06] <findeton> bah, no luck. the device is still "busy"
[09:06] <StoffBox-Steve> *ups* sry karsten2 :D
[09:06] <jesus_detached> Where cvan I chose my refresh rate of my screen? I can't use "screen resolution" anymore now I use the fglrx driver
[09:06] <yonkeltron> lavigj: yeah and Pluk helped me a little bit. it doesn't even pick up a mixer!
[09:06] <lavigj> findeton: shoot, not sure then
[09:06] <lavigj> yonkeltron: does lspci show the device?
[09:07] <karsten2> StoffBox-Steve: NP.
[09:07] <yonkeltron> lavigj: yes. would you like to see?
[09:07] <karsten2> StoffBox-Steve: I'm also karsten, but I'm not myself right now.
[09:07] <Xappe> StoffBox-Steve, then perhaps you can tell me what i'm doing wrong w/ firestarter. it won't let me connect to anything...and I don't know how to configure it to do that...
[09:07] <jesus_detached> I also have this screen that doesn't fit, whenever I move to the side of my screen it scrolls, and I don't remember how to turn it off in xorg
[09:07] <findeton> uhm, well I must go. bye thanks for the help !
[09:07] <lavigj> yonkeltron: no, unfortunately I am not sure what to tell you
[09:07] <stazich> hey
[09:07] <lavigj> yonkeltron: I was hoping that maybe it wasn't seated right or something :)
[09:07] <StoffBox-Steve> make kernels is so boring :S
[09:08] <stazich> can anyone helop me? im trying to boot a power pc ubuntu linux cd on my iMac, but it does not seem to work, anyone have a clue what it could be? i keep holding the ctrl key while booting but it still takes me to Debian which i hae installed right now
[09:08] <Jet2k5> hello anyone here have a scanner?
[09:08] <yonkeltron> lavigj: no it's fine.....i'm not very impressed by ubuntu right now. everyone in here said that it would work right out of the box and all that. then everyone promised me that they would help me fix it. been waiting here going in circles for half an hour! i feel rather cheated
[09:09] <stazich> yonkeltron, switch edition ;-)
[09:09] <lavigj> yonkeltron: sorry man, I am pretty new to linux and especially ubuntu.
[09:09] <cybane> Does ubuntu mount USB drives automatically
[09:09] <Jet2k5> I can't get ubuntu to pick up my scanner
[09:09] <yonkeltron> stazich: meaning?
[09:09] <Jet2k5> everytimet that I run xsane it can't detect it
[09:09] <tremor> cybane: yes
[09:09] <Jet2k5> how do I change that?
[09:10] <lavigj> Jet2k5: did you check the SANE webpage to be sure yours is supported?
[09:10] <Jet2k5> yeah it's worked with Mandrake and Arch Linux
[09:10] <hawke_> yonkeltron: I doubt anyone "promised" that to you.
[09:10] <stazich> just kidding.. what i mean is dont complain.. it was ur own choice to take on ubuntu, noone signed an agreement with you to support anything.. i am in same situation ...
[09:10] <elvirolo> crimsun, hi there, i'm back (with the sound prob)
[09:10] <Jet2k5> lavigj: I thought ubuntu would pick it up right away, so I don't know what files to modify
[09:10] <yonkeltron> hawke_: yeah actually.....hiddenwolf promised me....
[09:10] <lavigj> Jet2k5: ah, ok. sorry, I don't know much about scanners under linux, except that mine doesn't work under SANE :)
[09:10] <elvirolo> crimsun, i did the test and it did not worl :(
[09:10] <yonkeltron> stazich...yeah i know.
[09:11] <StoffBox-Steve> *args* samba piss me on.... why the fck its dosnt work anymore :( didnt change anythink ..
[09:11] <Jet2k5> err anybody know?
[09:11] <GarySaved> O.K.  I have ubuntu installed on my system ...
[09:11] <stazich> can anyone helop me? im trying to boot a power pc ubuntu linux cd on my iMac, but it does not seem to work, anyone have a clue what it could be? i keep holding the ctrl key while booting but it still takes me to Debian which i hae installed right now
[09:11] <hawke_> yonkeltron: Oh. Sorry.
[09:12] <hawke_> stazich: hold down c
[09:12] <ompaul> yonkeltron, I did not see your initial issue - I have been eating and resting - what is your particular issue, I am not suggesting I can solve it but I might be able to help
[09:12] <GarySaved> I am running an Athelon.
[09:12] <GarySaved> I downloaded the k7 kernel, how do I switch to it?
[09:13] <hawke_> GarySaved: Choose it on boot in the menu
[09:13] <GarySaved> I do not get a menu.
[09:13] <MaxeyPad> is it possible to get 5.1 sound for dvd playback under linux
[09:13] <yonkeltron> ompaul: thank you. that is very kind of you. lspci sees my soundcard (creative soundblaster live) and the kernel module (snd-emu10k1) is loaded. no sound, no mixer, no nothing
[09:13] <StoffBox-Steve> when you run grub and the kernel is install in /boot run grub-update it normaly find it that reboot choose it .. when the grub menu dosnt come up press esc at startup  GarySaved
[09:14] <lavigj> is anyone here skilled at extracting data from log files?
[09:14] <karsten2> OK, can someone walk me through a shorewall setup?
[09:14] <karsten2> lavigj: man grep
[09:14] <lunitik> karsten2: step 1: apt-get install firestarter
[09:15] <karsten2> lunitik: advantages over shorewall?
[09:15] <Jet2k5> is there any developers in here?
[09:15] <ompaul> yonkeltron, start a terminal, then start alsamixer, then play with the volume meters - one thing that might impact this however is if you have an inbuild sound card in which case try disabling it in the bios but ye ole alsamixer is good
[09:15] <lavigj> karsten2: already did and used that. I have a list of logins, but now I am trying to get a list of just the unique ones.
[09:15] <lunitik> karsten2: it doesn't require you to know something about iptables?
[09:15] <karsten2> lavigj: sort -u
[09:15] <lavigj> karsten2: instead of 4000 lines of repeating data
[09:15] <Jet2k5> no offence but every time I come in here I sorta never get help
[09:15] <lavigj> karsten2: ok
[09:15] <lunitik> karsten2: and it has a pretty GUI and stuff
[09:15] <StoffBox-Steve> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :: need root privileges make: *** [kernel-image-deb]  Fehler 1 << why the fck this come up at the end of compile ? why not at start ...
[09:16] <Jet2k5> and I'm not a linux n00b, but just can't exect better for them
[09:16] <karsten2> lunitik:  console only and I know a thing or two about firewalls/iptables.
[09:16] <yonkeltron> ompaul: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[09:16] <ompaul> lavigj, put it in a spreadsheet and pull out unique ids via advanced filters
[09:16] <lunitik> karsten2: shorewall is basically just a starting point for iptables settings... not really anything more afaik
[09:16] <ompaul> yonkeltron, ooch
[09:16] <ompaul> yonkeltron, but not all is lost
[09:16] <ompaul> :)
[09:16] <MaxeyPad> IPKungfu is an excellent, easy to use bash script that creates iptables rules for you.
[09:17] <lavigj> ompaul: hadn't thought of that, but it might work
[09:17] <hawke_> ompaul: the driver's not detecting the card...
[09:17] <yonkeltron> ompaul: you fill me with hope. it's a pci card
[09:17] <karsten2> lunitik: Yeah, a bunch of template files.  Not a bad organization though.
[09:17] <MaxeyPad> you might want to check that out http://www.linuxkungfu.org/
[09:17] <karsten2> lavigj: You got that?
[09:17] <lavigj> sort -u?
[09:18] <karsten2> lavigj: Yeah.  Sorts input to unique occurances.
[09:18] <karsten2> lavigj: If you'd describe what you're doing specifically I can offer better guidance.
[09:18] <ompaul> hawke_, true - however I would like to know what it is trying to pick up :)
[09:18] <karsten2> lavigj: awk '/pattern/ {print <columns>}'  | sort -u  is a generally useful recipie.
[09:18] <lavigj> karsten2: yeah, and I think it worked, however it is picking up dates as well. basically, I have a file full of login occurences that i grepped from the logfiles for sendmail. I am trying to wind up with just a list of users who have logged into send mail
[09:19] <karsten2> lavigj: ^^
[09:19] <lavigj> karsten2: I will check that
[09:19] <lavigj> thanks
[09:19] <Naos> Hi all
[09:19] <karsten2> lavigj: You can cut through your columns with awk or cut.
[09:19] <karsten2> Naos: He left.
[09:20] <lavigj> karsten2: thanks, I will do some man awk and man cut action and see what I can do
[09:20] <schasi> switch on nmap for os detection please
[09:20] <hawke_> ompaul: I'm curious to hear the solution to yonkeltron's sound problem if you come up with anything..
[09:20] <schasi> Dont get it found
[09:22] <karsten2> lavigj: Post if you've got questions.   You can use #flood as well for longer stuff.
[09:23] <lavigj> karsten2: thanks, it is greatly appreciated
[09:24] <karsten2> lavigj: NP. I'm in middle of stuff, may take a minute to see you.
[09:24] <stazich> hey does anyone know a FTP Debian archive mirror hostname
[09:24] <stazich> ?
[09:25] <hawke_> stazich: ftp.us.debian.org ?
[09:25] <macewan> bur[n] er: Sonance works fine on Hoary
[09:25] <karsten2> stazich: http://www.debian.org/.  Mirrors listed there.
[09:25] <delltony> hey man
[09:25] <stazich> thx
[09:26] <stazich> how come i need debian mirrors installing ubuntu?>
[09:26] <delltony> it might kill me but i'm gonna get this tvout to work :)
[09:26] <hawke_> stazich: You shouldn't.
[09:27] <stazich> im already there :(
[09:27] <delltony> anyone have any idea how to get screen resolution back ?
[09:27] <stazich> dont know where in the process i went wrong
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> its normaly that it come at the installer stazich
[09:28] <RainMoods> delltony, go to System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
[09:29] <delltony> this sucks if i use the ubuntu supplied ati fglrx my glxgears reports only 362.600 fps but if i use the new driver from ati its more like 4768.400 fps
[09:29] <delltony> but i can't change screen resolution :( evidently i setup fglxconfig wrong
[09:30] <RainMoods> delltony: you have upgraded to hoary?
[09:30] <delltony> yeah i use hoary
[09:30] <StoffBox-Steve> try make a working kernel ..will kill me i think :(
[09:30] <delltony> yeah i know about the xorg.conf file
[09:30] <RainMoods> and everything worked fine under warty?
[09:30] <encryptio> delltony: added your resolutions there?
[09:30] <delltony> well warty was fun xorg was fine but i'm trying somethign different
[09:31] <hawke_> delltony: what are you trying?
[09:31] <RainMoods> delltony: I had/have issues with xorg - now I am back to xfree86
[09:31] <delltony> the new ati driver
[09:31] <StoffBox-Steve> so and so RainMoods.. must work fine
[09:31] <delltony> not the ubuntu one
[09:32] <styx2005> i've got no sound in flashplayer
[09:32] <RainMoods> I have printer problems at this moment. When I wnat to print, it says that the printer is 'paused'. when I hit the 'resume' button, it still does not work. And my printing always worked ..
[09:32] <hawke_> delltony: what did you do to install the ati driver?
[09:33] <iftrouble> can anyone recommend me an app for debian/ubuntu similar to redhat's netconfig which  does NOT depend on gnome/kde/webmin? a tool that does not require editing config files by hand!
[09:33] <delltony> i can pm you my install notes if you would like
[09:34] <iftrouble> what?
[09:34] <OmniColossus> <--needs help authing with 802.1x eap-ttls
[09:34] <RainMoods> StoffBox-Steve: what must work fine? xorg? I didnt get it working...
[09:34] <delltony> just let me know if youw ant them hawke_
[09:35] <RainMoods> Anyone here can help me with my print problems?
[09:36] <StoffBox-Steve> RainMoods dont see xorg was the theme, was an common info, by me xorg didnt work 2
[09:37] <StoffBox-Steve> but i try it only one time ... fighting sence a week with kernel making
[09:39] <hawke_> RainMoods: I have no idea what the problem would be...does browsing to localhost:631 and choosing printers give any more detail?
[09:39] <lavigj> karsten2: just so you know, I really appreciate the help with this all, but I (somewhat abashedly) realized it would be easier to import the data into a spreadsheet
[09:40] <RainMoods> hawke_: I get a page from The Common UNIX Printing System
[09:40] <hawke_> RainMoods: Yep.
[09:40] <hawke_> RainMoods: can you go to "manage printers"?
[09:41] <StoffBox-Steve> when i have a kernel_path folder in src and make the kernel with make-dpkg  it automatic path ?
[09:41] <png`> i need to start a program at startup. where can i add it from console
[09:42] <RainMoods> hawke_: yes I can go to manage printers
[09:42] <hawke_> RainMoods: And does your printer show up there?
[09:42] <RainMoods> hawke_: yes, it shows up there
[09:42] <hawke_> RainMoods: and if so, what status message does it give?
[09:43] <RainMoods> hawke_: it states:  Printer State: stopped, accepting jobs.
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> iftrouble: why exactly?
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> iftrouble: I don't beleive there is
[09:44] <ompaul> hawke_ well we tried a few little bits but at the end of the day hoary will be tried :0
[09:45] <hawke_> ompaul: thanks..I kinda thought so, :-/
[09:45] <hawke_> RainMoods: does clicking start printer do any good? I'm guessing not..
[09:45] <ompaul> cdrecord dev=0,1,0 -pad driveropts=burnfree hoary-install-i386.iso  <-- being fun
[09:46] <RainMoods> hawke_: I get a promt for username and password, but have no clue what to enter there
[09:46] <karsten2> lavigj: You're mistaken ;-)
[09:46] <hawke_> RainMoods: try your username and password
[09:46] <karsten2> lavigj: /join #flood and show me what you're doing.
[09:47] <png`> i need to start a program at startup. which file can i use for startup files
[09:47] <RainMoods> hawke_: tried that already, and that does not work. Further, at the top of the page, there is a message: Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.
[09:47] <hawke_> RainMoods: k.
[09:47] <RainMoods> png': are you in a GUI?
[09:47] <hawke_> RainMoods: anything possibly useful in /var/log/cups/error_log?
[09:48] <RainMoods> very useful! let me paste a tail...
[09:48] <hawke_> RainMoods: /msg it please..
[09:49] <StoffBox-Steve> i think it will take me the rest of my life to make a working kernel :( that really Sux
[09:49] <karsten2> Hrm.  Is 'mc' packaged for ubuntu?
[09:50] <RainMoods>  IsAuthorized: pam_authenticate() returned 7 (Auth entication failure)!
[09:50] <RainMoods> hawke_: whoops! here it is already
[09:51] <iftrouble> vi /etc/network/interfaces sucks
[09:52] <iftrouble> dhclient sucks
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> iftrouble: yes but there's nothing wrong with the GNOME tools
[09:52] <iftrouble> netenv sucks
[09:52] <karsten2> lavigj: Stillhere?
[09:52] <iftrouble> what if you only have 60 megs of ram?
[09:52] <no0tic> hi! Can anyone help me installing hp officejet parallel scanner?
[09:52] <karsten2> iftrouble: Yeah, IMO it's a PITA.
[09:52] <isakn> Is ubuntu based on Debian or what?
[09:53] <meuserj|work> isakn, yes
[09:53] <no0tic> please, it's important, I need it working tomorrow morning!
[09:53] <isakn> arh, how nice :).
[09:53] <no0tic> with mandrake just worked...
[09:53] <isakn> im going for it now - the install, wish me luck guys :P
[09:54] <meuserj|work> isakn, don't need luck.. easiest Linux install I've ever seen
[09:54] <iftrouble> with fedora just worked too! (TM) but i had to sell my fedora PC because of hard times moneywise!
[09:54] <isakn> thats what they all say :) - i think i can handle it then. :)
[09:54] <meuserj|work> heh
[09:54] <styx2005> i can't hear sound in flash player neither the startup sound. i tried this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882&highlight=flash+sound but didn't help
[09:55] <isakn> but
[09:55] <StoffBox-Steve> what diver i must set in the kernel for an 3c940 GB onboard lan ?
[09:55] <isakn> 10gb would be plenty, right?
[09:55] <meuserj|work> isakn, yeah
[09:55] <isakn> good.
[09:56] <StoffBox-Steve> i install it on a 4 Gb drive isakn :)
[09:56] <isakn> yeah, but i need some room for programs and stuff :) - i dont wanna end up in trouble in the end
[09:56] <isakn> so too be on the safe side i'll take 10gb :)
[09:56] <StoffBox-Steve> have a 40 Gb drive in backhand :D
[09:56] <isakn> haha :P
[09:56] <isakn> oh, well - cya guys hopefully :D
[09:58] <StoffBox-Steve> someone can help me marking a working 2.6.8 working kernel ? its going to kill me
[09:59] <tanek_> how do I change default sound device?
[10:00] <Madeye> hey
[10:02] <RainMoods> tanek_: system->preferences->multimedia systems selector might help
[10:02] <Jon1012-Away> (if somebody is interested, I've released yesterday the last devel version of appliworks ( http://appliworks.jondesign.net ) )
[10:02] <RainMoods> what does appliworks do?
[10:02] <Jon1012-Away> pictures managment and database
[10:02] <Jon1012-Away> innovative way of handling pictures ;)
[10:02] <Jon1012-Away> it's a gnome 2 app
[10:02] <macewan> like the site design :)
[10:03] <Jon1012-Away> thx :)
[10:03] <tanek_> RainMoods, say what? system where? :S
[10:04] <Neil3> hey guys
[10:04] <dazed> I NEED HELP BAD!
[10:04] <Neil3> just added a dvd rom drive to my system but it doesnt show up in nautilus or automount, any ideas?
[10:04] <RainMoods> tanek_: at the top of your screen, there is something called 'System'
[10:05] <Neil3> it is recognised by totem and i can mount it manualy
[10:05] <tanek_> RainMoods, eh... no
[10:05] <geppy> dazed:  Don't say that;  just state your problem.
[10:05] <no0tic> HP OfficeJet 1150C scanner help needed!
[10:06] <RainMoods> tanek_: what are you using?
[10:06] <dazed> Ok well, I just installed Ubuntu last night (completely on accident formatted whole hard drive) this is my first linux distro...played around on knoppix for a couple months...i like the fluxbox desktop system i downloaded it tried to install and in configuration says i need to install X Windows System Libs and i thought ubuntu did that
[10:08] <tanek_> RainMoods, gnome...?
[10:08] <geppy> dazed:  You can't get fluxbox to work, is that what you're saying?
[10:08] <dazed> so anyone have some help for me?
[10:08] <dazed> yes
[10:09] <dazed> geppy: yes it wont get past the configure part of the install
[10:09] <geppy> dazed:  Open a GNOME-terminal, and run 'sudo apt-get install fluxbox'
[10:09] <geppy> dazed:  Wait;  have you installed Ubuntu yet?
[10:09] <dazed> yes
[10:09] <dazed> im on it currently
[10:09] <RainMoods> tanek_ I also use gnome and I see 'system' in the top panel
[10:09] <geppy> dazed:  Does 'sudo apt-get install fluxbox' not work?
[10:09] <dazed> ill try...is root terminal an Gnome-Term
[10:09] <tanek_> RainMoods, i have applications + computer, and stuff i added myself
[10:10] <geppy> dazed:  Sure, that'll work.
[10:10] <Echylo> can you get Ip if somebody keeps ctcp pinging you
[10:10] <tanek_> anyone know how i chage default sound device, its set to my usb webcam instead of my sound card :P
[10:10] <dazed> and just type 'sudo apt-get install fluxbox'
[10:10] <geppy> dazed:  The easiest way to open a GNOME terminal, though, is to just right-click on your GNOME desktop and select 'Open Terminal'
[10:10] <karsten2> Echylo: Tell it to th eops.
[10:10] <geppy> dazed:  Yes.
[10:10] <Echylo> they like him too much :)
[10:10] <Echylo> or they aren't here
[10:10] <Echylo> there*
[10:10] <dazed> Error couldnt find package fluxbox
[10:10] <jon1012> I'm back little bug
[10:11] <StoffBox-Steve> dont know it helps but take a look at http://home.arcor.de/markusheinz/ink_level.html no0tic
[10:11] <dazed> does the package have to be somewhere special..i downloaded it as a tar.gz
[10:11] <jon1012> someone told me something ?
[10:11] <aeolist> can someone check my repositories list for me and tell me if i missing something?
[10:11] <geppy> dazed:  It will automagically download it for you.
[10:11] <geppy> dazed:  Do this:
[10:11] <geppy> dazed:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:12] <geppy> dazed:  Take the leading '#' off the beginning of the lines with 'multiverse' and 'universe'
[10:12] <isakn> hmm.. i get an error while trying to get into the install program - or its not excactly a error, but it says that its loading programs, etc. and then it comes to xfsprogs.udeb (or something like that) and it just blinks and keeps blinking
[10:12] <StoffBox-Steve> sry no0tic was a work link ^^ that not helps
[10:12] <geppy> dazed:  these lines:
[10:12] <geppy>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:12] <geppy>  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:12] <isakn> like forever :\
[10:12] <StoffBox-Steve> wrong
[10:12] <isakn> anybody knows that error?
[10:13] <geppy> dazed:  Were you able to do that?
[10:13] <StoffBox-Steve> no0tic,  so this is the right link :D http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-OfficeJet_Pro_1150C
[10:13] <dazed> hold on im looking these lines?
[10:13] <dazed> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:13] <dazed> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:13] <geppy> dazed:  Were you able to do that?
[10:14] <no0tic> StoffBox-Steve: I read it, but I didn't find anything useful...
[10:14] <geppy> dazed:  Yes, take the leading '#' off of those lines.
[10:14] <dazed> no im lost and confused i got the sources.list file open
[10:14] <rubenv> mjg59: are you there, I'm installing a laptop that hangs on boot
[10:14] <geppy> dazed:  Yes, you are in the right file;  you need to remove the leading '#'s from the two lines that I've pointed you to;  the ones that just posted.
[10:14] <dazed> ok did that
[10:14] <geppy> dazed:  Now save it.
[10:14] <StoffBox-Steve> no0tic,  this site too ? http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/
[10:14] <geppy> dazed:  Then exit gedit
[10:14] <mjg59> rubenv: Hi
[10:14] <rubenv> mjg59: swell
[10:14] <mjg59> rubenv: Where does it hang?
[10:15] <geppy> dazed:  And run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install fluxbox'
[10:15] <dazed> saved and exited
[10:15] <rubenv> mjg59: it's a dell inspiron 5160
[10:15] <dazed> all that at in one line?
[10:15] <rubenv> mjg59:  basically hangs after about 2 minutes
[10:15] <no0tic> StoffBox-Steve: yes
[10:15] <macewan> Sonance is snazzy
[10:15] <geppy> dazed:  Yes.
[10:15] <AndyR> how do i go on setting up a local repository so apt only has to d/l files once to update my 3 ubuntu boxen?
[10:15] <rubenv> mjg59: it's today's dev build, downloaded with jigdo
[10:16] <isakn> the excact name is xfsprogs-udeb of the error package :(
[10:16] <rubenv> mjg59: both with noapic / nolapic given (both seperatly and both given)
[10:16] <dazed> geppy: its working ill let you know when its done thanks for info...this apt-get can i use it for all linux apps?
[10:16] <geppy> dazed:  Alright, cool.
[10:16] <Quarupt|ZzZz> so what can ya do in Horay that ya cant do in Warty?
[10:17] <geppy> dazed:  You can use it for any software within the repositories that you have in your sources.list file
[10:17] <StoffBox-Steve> no0tic, sry thats all i can do
[10:17] <dazed> so i could add more repositories could i not?
[10:17] <geppy> dazed:  So, you will be able to download many free/libre software applications via apt-get
[10:17] <geppy> dazed:  Yes.
[10:17] <no0tic> StoffBox-Steve: thanks anyway :)
[10:17] <klaxian> hello Ubuntu team
[10:17] <StoffBox-Steve>  :)
[10:17] <mjg59> rubenv: It hangs during install?
[10:17] <dazed> wow awesome
[10:17] <mjg59> Or it hangs during boot?
[10:17] <geppy> dazed:  Agreed.  That's why we use Debian. =)
[10:17] <Quarupt|ZzZz> Do any of the actual Ubuntu develpopers come here?
[10:18] <rubenv> mjg59: well, it did also during install
[10:18] <rubenv> mjg59: when it first reboots into the os
[10:18] <mjg59> rubenv: Right. Does it print anything before hanging?
[10:18] <rubenv> mjg59: I have to dpkg --configure -a manually to continue the install
[10:18] <rubenv> mjg59: unfortunately not
[10:18] <dazed> like i said this is my first linux distro...very nice one btw ..im just upset that the partitioner completely cleaned hard drive...i tried to partition 10 gig for Ubuntu but the whole drive was ntfs and i had to format
[10:18] <rubenv> mjg59: it just dies
[10:18] <_jon_> Quarupt|ZzZz: occasionally
[10:18] <mjg59> rubenv: How does it die? What's it doing when it dies?
[10:18] <klaxian> I've been giving Ubuntu to all my friends and family in my linux evangelism quest :)  but one has a problem that I haven't been able to figure out...can you help?
[10:19] <Marble2> quick question
[10:19] <rubenv> mjg59: well, doesn't matter what it does
[10:19] <_jon_> klaxian: ask away
[10:19] <isakn> is there nobody who can help?
[10:19] <geppy> klaxian:  I think we can answer that after we hear the question. =)
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> WHEN i make a kernel with > make-dpkg kernel_image take it automatic the patches from the linux_path folder ?
[10:19] <klaxian> with the gtk-gnutella version included with warty, it won't connect to anything and complains that it's a very old version
[10:19] <mjg59> rubenv: So it just hangs after a random amount of time?
[10:19] <klaxian> is this a known issue?
[10:19] <Marble2> if I edit my fstab to add the line "uid=myusernamehere" I will be able to access read only files on an NTSF drive I mounted
[10:19] <geppy> isakn:  I don't know that error.  You could try using Google, searching with whatever errors you may receive.
[10:19] <Marble2> as myusername right?
[10:19] <dazed> geppy: is there a place where i can read up and learn some codes for using apt-get so i can download some cool stuff?
[10:19] <Marble2> ntfs rather
[10:19] <rubenv> mjg59: yeah, don't know if its random, but could well be
[10:19] <geppy> klaxian:  It's probably just an old version, though.
[10:19] <rubenv> mjg59: really strange
[10:19] <geppy> dazed:  man apt-get
[10:19] <mjg59> rubenv: After boot? Or during boot?
[10:19] <klaxian> it is an old version, but it should still connect and work, rihgt?
[10:20] <macewan> dazed: use synaptic
[10:20] <geppy> dazed:  That will pull up the manual, or "man page", for apt-get
[10:20] <rubenv> mjg59: about 2 two minutes after it's booted
[10:20] <rubenv> mjg59: or 1 :)
[10:20] <jon1012> what problem ?
[10:20] <klaxian> is there a default firewall setting blocking the ports or something?
[10:20] <geppy> macewan: Hmph, that's no fun. =P
[10:20] <mjg59> rubenv: When you say "After it's booted", do you mean after it's given a login prompt?
[10:20] <geppy> klaxian:  Are you behind a router?
[10:20] <rubenv> mjg59: it basically comes up completely
[10:20] <dazed> geppy: thanks again...could i download xmms from the repositories cuz i like that too?
[10:20] <klaxian> nope, no NAT or anything
[10:20] <Marble2> anyone?
[10:20] <rubenv> mjg59: yeah, all runs swell
[10:20] <ompaul> open for opportunity - that is Linux
[10:20] <isakn> geppy im trying, but nothing.
[10:20] <mjg59> rubenv: Ok. Is this with Warty?
[10:20] <geppy> dazed:  Yes;  'sudo apt-get install xmms'
[10:20] <isakn> just info about what it is and stuff like that, but nothing
[10:20] <geppy> isakn:  I'm sorry.
[10:21] <isakn> but im just gonna check the md5 hash on the iso
[10:21] <rubenv> mjg59: today's hoary build
[10:21] <Neil3> hey guys
[10:21] <rubenv> mjg59: I downloaded the jigdo image about 3 hours ago
[10:21] <Neil3> just added a dvd rom drive to my system but it doesnt show up in nautilus or automount, any ideas? i can mount it manually but i just dont see it in nautilus, have to do it the old fashioned way. my cdrw drive is fine however
[10:21] <macewan> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[10:21] <macewan> :)
[10:21] <rubenv> mjg59: so you can consider it current hoary :)
[10:21] <Marble2> gah
[10:21] <Marble2> gah, can anyone help me?
[10:21] <geppy> Nell:  Is it in your /etc/fstab?
[10:21] <klaxian> he's not behind a router or anything like that...does ubuntu set default iptables settings to block gnutella ports or something?
[10:22] <geppy> Nell:  Try comparing your CD-RW and DVD-ROM entries in your /etc/fstab
[10:22] <geppy> klaxian:  I don't see why they would.
[10:22] <dazed> no such file or directory ...gotta add some repositories it seems
[10:22] <Neil3> geppy, i'll take a look
[10:22] <_jon_> Marble2: what do you mean by access?
[10:22] <klaxian> geppy: any other ideas then?
[10:22] <_jon_> you mean write to them?
[10:23] <Marble2> I mean read them
[10:23] <Neil3> hm its not in fstab
[10:23] <klaxian> gtk-gnutella won't connect to any peers
[10:23] <Marble2> because right now like
[10:23] <Neil3> so i guess i should add it!
[10:23] <Marble2> I have to run XMMS as root
[10:23] <tanek_> what command to use when changing default sound device to hw:2,1? please anyone! :S
[10:23] <mjg59> rubenv: Can you try warty on it and see if it behaves the same way?
[10:23] <Marble2> to be able to read them :(
[10:23] <geppy> klaxian:  I'm sorry, but no.  I didn't get GTKGNutella to work, and, as it is greatly lacking in documentation, I just switched to AMule.
[10:23] <geppy> Neil3: Good thinking! =)
[10:23] <Neil3> is there no utility out there that will add new drives to fstab, geppy?
[10:23] <rubenv> mjg59: livecd okay?
[10:23] <Neil3> or do i have to edit it by hand?
[10:23] <klaxian> is AMule better?  included in warty?
[10:23] <mjg59> rubenv: Ought to be for now
[10:23] <no0tic> brb
[10:23] <geppy> tanek_:  Try 'gstreamer-properties' and set the sink to 'alsasink device=hw:1,0'
[10:24] <rubenv> mjg59: it's a dell bios, which does have the no(l)apic crap :)
[10:24] <Marble2> _jon_: can I pm you please?
[10:24] <geppy> Neil3:  I've never used a GUI for it, you might as well just try doing it by hand.
[10:24] <mjg59> rubenv: Shouldn't be an issue with current kernels
[10:24] <_jon_> Marble2: ok
[10:24] <Neil3> just not sure what to put under options is all
[10:24] <shock> darn... is there anything more helpfull then bluefish if I need to create not-too-simple webpages?
[10:24] <rubenv> mjg59: yeah, but the warty livecd (pressed one) still has it, or am i wrong?
[10:24] <geppy> klaxian:  It is not included in Warty, but you can get it from either universe, or multiverse, or something, and being that it's the only one that worked for me, it suits my purposes better.
[10:25] <tanek_> geppy, how do i set it to that, not in the list? :S sry for beeing stupid etc :(
[10:25] <klaxian> alrighty, i will look into it...thanks geppy
[10:25] <geppy> klaxian:  I personally prefer LimeWire, but it's an annoying corporate work, and it needs Java, so I don;t use it.
[10:25] <geppy> tanek_:  You're not being stupid. =)
[10:25] <geppy> tanek_:  Go to 'Custom'
[10:25] <klaxian> ya limewire is slow
[10:25] <geppy> klaxian:  Aye.
[10:25] <tanek_> ah, so easy :P but it should be hw:2,1 right? :P
[10:25] <klaxian> well java is slow heh
[10:26] <dazed> can i also get KDE via the standard repositories on Ubuntu..i like the KDE apps like Konqueror...
[10:26] <geppy> tanek_:  hahaha yeah. =)
[10:26] <macewan> on hoary
[10:26] <klaxian> is Hoary like Debian's unstable distribution?
[10:26] <tanek_> yey
[10:26] <klaxian> can someone upgrade from warty to hoary just by changing the repositories?
[10:26] <Quarupt> I switched to horay and it gave me a new basg.rc, how can i put java back in my PATH?
[10:26] <macewan> hoary sounds nicer than unstable :)
[10:26] <rubenv> mjg59: BIOS bug detected, something with APIC 0
[10:26] <geppy> klaxian:  Yes, on both counts.
[10:27] <klaxian> geppy: thanks, is there something similar to testing in Debian?
[10:27] <klaxian> that gets updates frequently but is slightly more stable
[10:27] <geppy> klaxian:  No, it's only Warty (stable), and Hoary (unstable)
[10:27] <macewan> source
[10:27] <geppy> klaxian:  Sorry.
[10:27] <macewan> :)
[10:27] <mjg59> rubenv: Yeah, probably
[10:27] <klaxian> heh no problem
[10:28] <geppy> klaxian:  That said, Hoary is "stable enough", if you don't mind breakage here and there.
[10:28] <Riddell> dazed: yes http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[10:28] <klaxian> that's just what I was going to ask
[10:28] <geppy> klaxian:  Then again, I wouldn't go giving it to your mom. =P
[10:28] <klaxian> does Hoary get frequent updates?  not just security fixes?
[10:28] <rubenv> mjg59: Its an A03 Dell BIOS, better upgrade right?
[10:28] <klaxian> right
[10:28] <geppy> klaxian:  Every day.
[10:28] <klaxian> ah, so like debian unstable, excellent
[10:28] <geppy> klaxian: Yes. =)
[10:28] <tanek_> geppy, still dont have any system sound it seems
[10:28] <klaxian> geppy: thanks, you're a great help :)
[10:29] <mjg59> rubenv: If there's an upgrade, it's worth a go
[10:29] <geppy> klaxian:  Thanks. =)
[10:29] <geppy> tanek_: Do you know if ESD is running?
[10:29] <tanek_> only sound from xmms set to alsa and alsa configured to use hw:2,1
[10:29] <tanek_> think so
[10:29] <rubenv> mjg59: right, will do that then
[10:29] <macewan> dazed: KDE works well under Hoary for what it's worth
[10:29] <rubenv> mjg59: i'll let you know how it turned out
[10:29] <geppy> tanek_:  Is hw:2,1 a dmix plugin, or something of the sort, that would support concurrent use?
[10:29] <macewan> tried it the oterh day
[10:30] <macewan> as does amarok
[10:30] <macewan> 1.2
[10:30] <tanek_> geppy, it's my soundblastercard
[10:30] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question - what's the command to append one file on another file?
[10:30] <macewan> cat?
[10:30] <jk> cat file1 file2 >> file3
[10:31] <geppy> tanek_:  The device may only be used by one process at a time, unless you use a sound server such as ESD, ARTS, or JACK.
[10:31] <lavigj> macewan: not sure, I will check that out though..
[10:31] <lavigj> jk: thanks
[10:31] <styx2005> in hoary, how can i add a new icon to the applications menu?
[10:31] <macewan> damn, was hoping someone knew right away
[10:31] <jk> styx2005: Applications --> System tools -> Add/Remove programs
[10:32] <tanek_> geppy, yeah. that actually something i do know ;). but if i set gstreamer-properties to use esdsink device=hw:2,1?
[10:32] <geppy> tanek_:  Have you considered using a sound server?  And that gstreamer bit will only work for gstreamer-based applications.
[10:32] <tanek_> souldn't that use esd?
[10:32] <geppy> tanek_:  I'm not sure.
[10:32] <mairu> styx2005: try:  nautilus application:///   - in the terminal
[10:32] <macewan> in hoary?
[10:32] <macewan> no
[10:32] <tanek_> aha, ok.
[10:33] <tanek_> just that last time u used ubuntu, i got exactly the same prob, and it was all solved with one command in a terminal
[10:33] <geppy> tanek_:  It won't be the same syntax as ALSA.  The easiest way would probably be to uninstall the other sound devices.  If they're onboard, disable them in BIOS;  if they're PCI, unplug them.  Beyond that, I wouldn't know what to do, without looking it up.
[10:33] <mairu> styx2005: wait, try:  nautilus applications:///
[10:33] <dazed> geppy: the fluxbox is done setting up
[10:33] <mairu> styx2005: and add a launcher there
[10:33] <dazed> how would i access it?
[10:33] <macewan> in warty yes, hoary no
[10:34] <geppy> dazed:  Good. :-)
[10:34] <dazed> how can i use it now?
[10:34] <dazed> that its done
[10:34] <delltony_> anyone here use hoary and if so are you able to change screen resolution when i try it says X server doesn't support xrandr
[10:34] <geppy> dazed:  Reboot, and when you get to your login, just select Sessions>FLuxbox
[10:34] <tanek_> geppy, i really don't wanna uninstall my webcam :(
[10:34] <dazed> ok
[10:34] <geppy> tanek_:  Oh, right, it's your webcam, sorry.
[10:34] <geppy> tanek_:  Hrm, try asking again, I'll be looking googling.
[10:35] <styx2005> mairu: this command doesn't work anymore in hoary
[10:35] <jk> hmm indeed
[10:35] <NetGeek> afternoon all
[10:35] <jk> strange
[10:35] <tanek_> im looking around too :)
[10:35] <geppy> tanek_:  =)
[10:35] <Quarupt> is anyone having lots of bugs running limewire and java in Hoary?
[10:35] <blaaa> is there a new version of unbuntu soon to come out?
[10:35] <macewan> Quarupt: no prob here
[10:36] <mairu> styx2005: :(
[10:36] <Quarupt> expecially screen refreshing
[10:36] <geppy> blaaa: April.
[10:36] <geppy> blaaa:  That's when, depends on how you define 'soon'. =)
[10:36] <Quarupt> macewan, maybe i installed something wrong, it like doesnt refresh the screen right, i dunno
[10:36] <blaaa> ah k
[10:36] <macewan> Quarupt: using beta Lime though
[10:36] <blaaa> tnx
[10:36] <geppy> tanek_:  you can run ESD with '
[10:36] <Quarupt> where did ya get it?
[10:36] <geppy> tanek_: esd -d DEVICE
[10:36] <FHacktor1> hi
[10:37] <macewan> the site
[10:37] <geppy> tanek_:  I guess just try using different things for DEVICE, it should complain and tell you the correct syntax.
[10:37] <tanek_> ok
[10:37] <StoffBox-Steve> can someone PLZ tell me why samba after a reboot not shown any PCs on the network ? .. before it work fine.. and i change anythink ... that really Sucks...
[10:37] <Amaranth> anyone here with an iTunes Music Store account wanna test something i'm working on?
[10:38] <Quarupt> macewan, i dun see a link for the beta, can you give ma a url?
[10:38] <geppy> tanek_:  Wait, I'm dumb.
[10:38] <macewan> searching now
[10:38] <tanek_> geppy, surly not
[10:38] <geppy> tanek_:  The correct values for DEVICE are '/dev/dsp/', '/deb/dsp2', etc
[10:38] <geppy> tanek_:  hahaha =)
[10:38] <tanek_> :D
[10:38] <geppy> =D
[10:38] <tanek_> /dev/dsp2 then, probably
[10:38] <geppy> tanek_:  =)
[10:39] <blahrus> anyone know how to remove oo1 and not lose unubutu-desktop?
[10:39] <FHacktor1> i need some help here.. i have this problem - i've tried to hear two voices in the same time... i've tried to heard music and sounde of a game.. but i couldn't how can i fix it plz?
[10:39] <hawke_> blahrus: You can't.
[10:39] <Quarupt> how do i test to see if my java installation is messed up?
[10:39] <hawke_> blahrus: but ubuntu-desktop is not required.
[10:40] <Quarupt> cause my lomewire looks like shit
[10:40] <NetGeek> blahrus: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, no biggie if it is removed
[10:40] <blahrus> hawke_: hum . . . why does it claim depenecy on on openoffice 1?
[10:40] <tanek_> geppy, i heard a sound when using the command, but not later
[10:40] <tanek_> no system sound
[10:40] <macewan> http://www9.limewire.com/beta/LimeWireLinux.tgz
[10:40] <chrissturm> hey guys! anyone got network manager cvs working with hoary?
[10:40] <gustavor> why are QT apps so ugly in hoary? how to fix that?
[10:40] <FHacktor1> i need some help here.. i have this problem - i've tried to hear two voices in the same time... i've tried to hear music and sound of a game.. but i couldn't how can i fix it plz?
[10:40] <blahrus> use gnome apps :)
[10:41] <geppy> tanek_:  You mean that it had the startup beeps?
[10:41] <macewan> Quarupt: you get that url
[10:41] <tanek_> geppy, yep
[10:41] <Quarupt> ya thx
[10:41] <dazed> geppy: still around...i rebooted but it took me straight to my gnome desktop
[10:41] <macewan> sure
[10:41] <geppy> tanek_:  you'll need to go back to 'gstreamer-properties', and switch back to ESD
[10:41] <hawke_> blahrus: Because that is considered part of the basic ubuntu desktop system.
[10:41] <chrissturm> NetworkManagerInfo: NetworkManagerInfo could not get the system bus.  Make sure the message bus daemon is running?
[10:41] <geppy> dazed:  You need to select Sessions > Fluxbox
[10:41] <dazed> where do i select that? i never saw it
[10:41] <geppy> dazed:  When you're logging in, in the bottom left corner, there's a Session option
[10:41] <blahrus> hawke_: alright, then I guess what happens when ubutunu-desktop is removed?
[10:41] <dazed> ok ill try
[10:41] <hawke_> blahrus: Nothing.
[10:41] <geppy> dazed:  Click on that, and then select 'fluxbox' in the popup
[10:41] <geppy> blahrus:  It's a meta-package.
[10:42] <tanek_> still no system sound, i think, cannot really remember what made sounds
[10:42] <geppy> blahrus:  It's only used to help make sure that everything is installed.
[10:42] <blahrus> ahhh
[10:42] <Quarupt> macewan, gave me a 404
[10:42] <geppy> tanek_:  You couldn't get a sine tone using the gstreamer-properties TEST under ESD?
[10:42] <hawke_> blahrus: ubuntu-desktop contains nothing, it just depends on stuff.
[10:42] <tanek_> yey, sound from gnome gmae
[10:42] <macewan> hrm.
[10:42] <geppy> tanek_:  =)
[10:42] <tanek_> yep, worked!
[10:42] <tanek_> thanks
[10:42] <blahrus> I see, I guess its good for newbie, I haven't been using ubuntu very long
[10:42] <geppy> tanek_:  No problem. :-)
[10:43] <tanek_> will i have to run esd -d /dev/dsp2 every time i reboot?
[10:43] <Quarupt> macewan, not 404, its saying i dont have permission
[10:43] <macewan> I'm telling on you
[10:43] <blahrus> hawke_: you tested graveman yet?
[10:43] <macewan> let me look
[10:43] <geppy> tanek_:  Hrm, hold on;  looking for the sound server startup stuff
[10:43] <geppy> tanek_:  Try /etc/esound/esd.conf
[10:44] <macewan> http://www9.limewire.com/beta/LimeWireOther.zip
[10:44] <tanek_> ok
[10:44] <hawke_> blahrus: Nope
[10:44] <geppy> tanek_:  If you put '-d /dev/dsp2' on the 'default_options=' line, that _should_ work, as far as I know
[10:44] <macewan> cd ../beta
[10:44] <geppy> tanek_:  There's only one wayto find out
[10:44] <tanek_> yep
[10:44] <tanek_> thanks anyway
[10:44] <geppy> tanek_:  No problem.
[10:45] <geppy> tanek_:  If you change that, and then restart ESD, you'll find out
[10:45] <tanek_> whats the command for that?
[10:45] <blahrus> hawke_: looks nice.
[10:45] <geppy> tanek_:  killall esd
[10:45] <geppy> tanek_:  and then just run 'esd' again
[10:45] <macewan> Quarupt: http://www9.limewire.com/beta/LimeWireOther.zip
[10:46] <hawke_> blahrus: I'll look at it...I've been looking for a gnome cd burning app that's decent.
[10:46] <hawke_> blahrus: preferably competitive with k3b
[10:46] <tanek_> it works perfectly geppy :) esd starts at boot, right?
[10:46] <geppy> hawke I don't think that one exists.
[10:46] <rubenv> mjg59: Just upgraded the bios to A07, booting without either noapic and nolapic makes it hang
[10:46] <hawke_> blahrus: or burnatonce, in windows
[10:46] <geppy> tanek_:  Right, as long as you have 'Enable Sound Server Startup' checked in the 'Sound' properties dialog;  which it should be, as long as you haven't unchecked it. =)
[10:46] <shock> anyone here ever set up plone?
[10:46] <blahrus> hawke_: haven't run it yet, installed it on my laptop, installed fine and found my burner.
[10:46] <Jet2k5> hey I just updated Ubuntu and it's just fscked a lot of stuff up
[10:47] <tanek_> ok, nice. problem solved then
[10:47] <Jet2k5> sounds just stopped working ?!?!?
[10:47] <geppy> hawke  Would it be difficult to port K3B to GTK?
[10:47] <tanek_> Jet2k5, u updated to polypaudio ?
[10:47] <tanek_> seen people having problems with it
[10:47] <Jet2k5> tanek_: don't think so
[10:47] <Jet2k5> how do I check?
[10:47] <Jet2k5> man this sucks, I've been having nothing but problems
[10:47] <tanek_> using hoary?
[10:48] <hawke_> geppy: I have no idea.  But I suspect so, it's pretty KDEish
[10:48] <Jet2k5> don't think so
[10:48] <macewan> or http://www9.limewire.com/beta/LimeWireLinux.rpm
[10:48] <Jet2k5> how do I check
[10:48] <geppy> hawke Alright.
[10:48] <Jet2k5> macewan: yes?
[10:48] <rubenv> mjg59: still hangs, sucks
[10:48] <macewan> sorry - someone else reply
[10:48] <tanek_> if u haven't changed it, ur not using it, and have not switched to polypaudio i think
[10:48] <Quarupt> can someone else help me with java, i think my java installed is screwed up
[10:48] <Jet2k5> Quarupt: ubuntuguide.org
[10:49] <Jet2k5> go there, it will tell you how to install java
[10:49] <Jet2k5> it's the easiest thing ever
[10:49] <geppy> Jet2k5:  What is not giving you sound?
[10:49] <Jet2k5> macewan: you can visit that too if you want to install limewire
[10:49] <Quarupt> I allready installed java
[10:49] <Quarupt> lol
[10:49] <Jet2k5> geppy: just about everything
[10:49] <Jet2k5> xmms, totem, gaim
[10:49] <Jet2k5> anything that outputs sound
[10:49] <macewan> ?
[10:49] <geppy> Jet2k5:  are you running ESD?
[10:49] <Jet2k5> maybe a reboot is needed?
[10:49] <Jet2k5> geppy: would not know, I just went to play a song and nothing will work
[10:50] <Quarupt> but that was before i switched to Hoary, maybe that is my problem??
[10:50] <macewan> all sounds turned up
[10:50] <Jet2k5> yeapp
[10:50] <geppy> Jet2k5:  nothing is muted?
[10:50] <dazed> alright im on Fluxbox
[10:50] <macewan> dazed: how are the tabs
[10:50] <geppy> dazed:  Good to hear. =)
[10:50] <dazed> is thre a good file sharing program for Ubuntu? like for music...
[10:50] <Jet2k5> geppy: no
[10:51] <dazed> macewan: what tabs?
[10:51] <macewan> Limewire dazed
[10:51] <Quarupt> if i installed Java in warty and upgraded to Hoary could that mess up my java install?
[10:51] <Jet2k5> geppy: I'm looking at alsamixer and PCM is turned off? how do I turn it back on?
[10:51] <macewan> thats the purpose of fluxbox
[10:51] <macewan> tabs
[10:51] <dazed> where can i edit my menu
[10:51] <macewan> Quarupt: my continued to work
[10:51] <geppy> Jet2k5: hrmph
[10:51] <dazed> im used to Blackbox for Windows...thats how i got into linux...and now im just learning flux
[10:51] <geppy> Jet2k5:  sudo apt-get install aumix
[10:51] <Quarupt> well it works, but limewire is all slow and buggy
[10:51] <geppy> Jet2k5:  Use aumix to adjust your mixer properties
[10:51] <Jet2k5> k
[10:52] <macewan> http://www.macewan.org/index.php?m=200412#post-206 <- java love
[10:52] <Quarupt> macewan,  your just supposed to run sh ./runLime right?
[10:52] <macewan> using gnome?
[10:52] <dazed> macewan: where can i edit my fluxbox menu and edit my fluxbox config?
[10:53] <Jet2k5> I got like, one of those interactive ubuntu sounds
[10:53] <Jet2k5> lol
[10:53] <Jet2k5> when I opened up vallume control
[10:53] <Marble2> how do I set my mouse up so extra mouse buttons work
[10:53] <macewan> dazed: grab fluxconfig or whatever
[10:53] <Marble2> I have an MX500
[10:53] <geppy> Jet2k5:  so sound is working, then? =)
[10:53] <dazed> where at apt-get ?? lol im really  new
[10:53] <KING^^^> hello all , please help with this , my sound plays too fast , in XMMS in XINE in everything , how do I fix it ?
[10:53] <macewan> Quarupt: use nautilus
[10:53] <Jet2k5> geppy: nope not with gaim, and xmms
[10:54] <Jet2k5> geppy: now it is :)
[10:54] <geppy> Jet2k5:  Make sure that GAIM is set to use 'automatic', and that XMMS is set to use 'ESounD'
[10:54] <geppy> Jet2k5:  Good to hear. =)
[10:54] <Jet2k5> I guess I must of updated gaim, or something, and didn't restart it :P
[10:54] <Quarupt> macewan, does it make a diff?
[10:54] <geppy> Jet2k5:  haha =)
[10:54] <ompaul> KING^^^, never ever heard of that - how fast is it playing?
[10:54] <macewan> KING^^^: options > preferences > output plugin
[10:54] <jon1012> good night all
[10:54] <KING^^^> macewan: i have done that
[10:55] <macewan> Quarupt: you can click it there :)
[10:55] <Jet2k5> geppy: lol but xmms is going nutx
[10:55] <Burn`> somebody got an answer to this --> http://games.telenet.be/forum/showthread.php?t=297413 check the errorcode plz
[10:55] <geppy> Jet2k5:  How so?
[10:55] <Jet2k5> I just tried playing an .mp3 and text is flying at me everywhere, as if I was going through a system meltdown
[10:55] <geppy> Jet2k5:  sudo apt-get install xmms-mp3
[10:55] <lunitik> Burn`: you have it in english?
[10:55] <Jet2k5> heh
[10:55] <geppy> Jet2k5:  What kind of text is coming out?
[10:55] <Jet2k5> all
[10:56] <geppy> Jet2k5:  haha
[10:56] <geppy> Jet2k5:  Can you put some of it in the pastebin, so that I may have a look?
[10:56] <KING^^^> so ... nobody knows ?
[10:56] <macewan> use muine
[10:56] <Jet2k5> geppy: nope it moves :P
[10:56] <warty> Hey, I'm new to Ubuntu, I tried to install it but I can not see my other NTFS disk partitions, anybody could explain why?
[10:56] <Quarupt> macewan, when i click it and click run nothing happens?
[10:56] <Jet2k5> geppy: thanks for the help
[10:56] <geppy> Jet2k5:  Where is the text?  Is it in the terminal?
[10:56] <geppy> Jet2k5:  No problem
[10:56] <Jet2k5> geppy: the first I've seen around
[10:57] <Burn`> lunitik: no, not in english, watch the code part, I got a Connection Reset By Peer when I am doing sudo apt-get update
[10:57] <lunitik> macewan: how does that solve his issue? enlighten me
[10:57] <geppy> macewan:  It's a matter of preference. =)
[10:57] <Jet2k5> geppy: nope on the actually xmms, like where the song names are displayed
[10:57] <macewan> lunitik: ?
[10:57] <Jet2k5> geppy: removed it and re-installed it, and it all works now ;)
[10:57] <Jet2k5> thanks for the help
[10:57] <Jet2k5> bbl/
[10:57] <geppy> Jet2k5:  Perhaps you have a list of songs that don't actually exist on the hard drive, and it is scanning through the list trying to find music that works?
[10:57] <geppy> Jet2k5: haha
[10:57] <lunitik> macewan: please don't recommend other applications as a fix to issues with current... its not helpful
[10:57] <geppy> Jet2k5:  Alright
[10:58] <macewan> lunitik: what?
[10:58] <lunitik> macewan: recommending muine because of an issue with xmms
[10:58] <lunitik> not helpful
[10:58] <geppy> macewan:  If XMMS isn't working for someone, don't just say 'use Muine'
[10:58] <Quarupt> macewan, howcome when i type java as root it cant find it but when a do it as a user it does, do they have seperate paths?
[10:58] <rubenv> mjg59: strangely enough, in debug, it runs well
[10:58] <geppy> macewan:  It really _isn't_ helpful
[10:58] <macewan> sure
[10:59] <macewan> alright
[10:59] <blaaa> will upgrading from the current ubuntu to the one coming out in april be hard?
[10:59] <blaaa> im really new to linux
[10:59] <geppy> blaaa:  No, it shouldn't be.
[10:59] <Quarupt> blaa
[10:59] <Quarupt> it was easy for me
[10:59] <lunitik> macewan: *especially* when its not a default application... because that person went of there way to get it, they probably want *that*
[10:59] <blaaa> k, tnx
[10:59] <macewan> got it
[11:00] <Marble2> ugh, what's the easiest way to copy and paste in terminal
[11:00] <Quarupt> how do i unsitsall java?
[11:00] <Marble2> there has to be a better way than right click -> copy/paste
[11:00] <geppy> Marble2:  CTRL-SHIFT-C
[11:00] <lunitik> Marble2: sellect and hit ctrl ins
[11:00] <tanek_> or rightclick :P
[11:00] <geppy> Marble2:  You have to use the SHIFT because regular CTRL-C kills whatever is running
[11:00] <geppy> Marble2:  IT's the same for pasting, CTRL-SHIFT-V
[11:00] <Quarupt> anyone know how to uninstall java?
[11:01] <Marble2> oh cool
[11:01] <Marble2> thanks
[11:01] <lunitik> geppy: ctrl shift c doesn't work here... ctrl shift ins  (I was wrong too, but closer, so there)
[11:01] <geppy> lunitik:  haha
[11:01] <geppy> lunitik:  It's probably because I'm using gterm
[11:02] <geppy> lunitik:  Or GNOME terminal, whatever they call it
[11:02] <lunitik> geppy: gnome-terminal? I am too
[11:02] <geppy> lunitik:  Hrmph, that's odd.
[11:02] <StoffBox-Steve> *ahh* that realy piss me on ... IT IS SO HARD DO SET UP AN WORKING CUSTOM KERNEL ? ....
[11:02] <Quarupt> How do you uninstall java?
[11:02] <geppy> StoffBox-Steve:  I haven't found it to be.
[11:02] <KING^^^> so , nobody know why my sound plays too fast ?
[11:02] <lunitik> geppy: when I hit ctrl shift c I get an S with a funky line under it
[11:02] <geppy> StoffBox-Steve:  Perhaps you could say specifically what troubles you're having.
[11:03] <geppy> lunitik:  heh =)
[11:03] <StoffBox-Steve> i say it many many times in this channel and never get a answer
[11:03] <Quarupt> Im sure someone knows the command to uninstall Java?
[11:03] <geppy> StoffBox-Steve:  You say what?  I've never seen you post your problem, and I'm sure that there are others here that haven't as well.
[11:04] <geppy> StoffBox-Steve: You might get lucky and find someone who knows the answer.
[11:04] <StoffBox-Steve> :) i hope geppy
[11:04] <geppy> StoffBox-Steve:  =)
[11:04] <lunitik> rubenv: difference between recovery and regular = recovery is single user... useful for a b0rked /etc/sudoers for instance...
[11:04] <geppy> ompaul:  I dunno, 19" is a little small... try 21"? =P
[11:04] <Vjaz> Is there a way to tell apt-get to remove all packages that weren't explicitly installed or required by other packages?
[11:04] <lunitik> (only reason I've used it so far)
[11:05] <ompaul> geppy, nice
[11:05] <Vjaz> So that if I for example installed K3B and it pulled a bunch of KDE libraries in, and I'd remove it later, all those KDE libraries wouldn't be left lurking around.
[11:06] <geppy> Vjaz:  They don't hurt anything.
[11:06] <Marble2> what's the quickest way to burn files to a CD?
[11:06] <Vjaz> geppy: They take up disk space.
[11:06] <geppy> Vjaz:  It's probably about twenty or thirty cents worth of disk space.
[11:06] <geppy> Marble2:  K3B
[11:06] <lunitik> Vjaz: debfoster would make what you want easier... other than that, not sure
[11:06] <StoffBox-Steve> the prob is, i only what a custom kernel with nvidia driver, driver for my 3c940 GB lan , bootsplash ) thats all i want ... i as a level the driver will boot normaly ( juhu take me a few days :| ) but now the bootsplash dosnt work! ( not patchs ? ) the network not comeup, and the Xserver cant start :S
[11:06] <Marble2> can I apt-get it?
[11:06] <hsprang> quarupt:  which java are you actually running?
[11:06] <Vjaz> geppy: I have a laptop. Mi disk space is limited.
[11:06] <ompaul> Marble2, yes
[11:06] <geppy> Vjaz:  ah, alright.
[11:06] <Vjaz> lunitik: Sounds interesting.
[11:07] <StoffBox-Steve> kernel boot normaly not the drvier
[11:07] <mjr> Vjaz, deborphan might be able to identify some of them
[11:07] <geppy> Vjaz:  you could just get rid of all kde libs... sudo apt-get remove *kde*
[11:07] <Marble2> thank
[11:07] <geppy> ompaul:  haha
[11:07] <Vjaz> Marble2: You can also use Nautilus (the file manager) to burn CD's. Depends on what you want to do though.
[11:07] <lunitik> Vjaz: basically... you define what you want and don't want, and it removes everything you don't... makes managing packages easier  :)
[11:07] <Marble2> i want to burn an .iso
[11:07] <Marble2> live CD for powerPC actually
[11:07] <geppy> ompaul:  While that's true, it's nice to be able to be lazy. =)
[11:07] <Vjaz> geppy: removing the kde package will only remove the kde package, which is a dummy package
[11:07] <Marble2> heh
[11:07] <geppy> Marble2:  Use K3B
[11:08] <Marble2> kk
[11:08] <geppy> Vjaz:  those asterisks are wildcards
[11:08] <ompaul> geppy, it is all in a script
[11:08] <geppy> ompaul:  I use computers that aren't mine. =)
[11:08] <Vjaz> geppy: ah you meant that... but that wouldn't remove arts for example
[11:08] <Vjaz> geppy: and the point is, I don't *know* which packages are left around after I install remove a varied set of packages.
[11:08] <geppy> Vjaz:  well, try dpkg -l | grep kde, and remove the stuff that you don't want
[11:09] <Marble2> k3b just shit errors all over my trying to install
[11:09] <Vjaz> geppy: I haven't installed kde, ok? It was just an example.
[11:09] <Marble2> pardon my french
[11:09] <geppy> Vjaz:  the only way that I'd know to do it would be to record the list of packages required by K3B
[11:09] <lunitik> Vjaz: debfoster is the easiest way so far that anyone has said... trust me
[11:09] <geppy> Marble2:  K3B gives lots of meaningless errors:  does it still run?
[11:09] <Marble2> installing right now
[11:09] <hubert> how to enable/disable services in ubuntu, for example inetd ?
[11:10] <geppy> Marble2:  As someone stated earlier, you could just find the ISO in Nautilus, and right-click "write to CD"
[11:10] <ompaul> cdrecord has burnt hoary array 5  for me to mail to someone in that short time while we were waiting on Marble2 to d/load s/ware
[11:10] <lunitik> hubert: /etc/init.d/foo start/stop/restart
[11:10] <lunitik> hubert: or invoke-rc.d blah start/stop/restart
[11:10] <lunitik> hubert: both have 'sudo' infront
[11:10] <Marble2> nautilus?
[11:11] <Vjaz> Marble2: the file manager
[11:11] <Marble2> oh
[11:12] <hubert> lunitik: thanks, this is the same as in slackware
[11:12] <ompaul> and now for the live cd
[11:12] <lunitik> Vjaz: its a desktop shell, not just a file manager... it tries to do what bash does for a terminal
[11:12] <lunitik> Vjaz: for instance... its responsible for most errors you get
[11:12] <encryptio> er
[11:13] <lunitik> wallpaper
[11:13] <lunitik> many things
[11:13] <Marble2> how can I get a list of disks / partitions connected to this computer?
[11:13] <lunitik> Marble2: 'mount'
[11:13] <Vjaz> lunitik: Yes, I know, but it was a lot easier to call it "the file manager" in this case.
[11:13] <lunitik> Marble2: uhh... 'fdisk -l' actually
[11:14] <lunitik> cuz you want partitions and stuff *nods*
[11:14] <Marble2> lunitik: it's not detecting one hd
[11:14] <Marble2> only the one this ubuntu partition is on
[11:14] <Marble2> /dev/hdd1              11        7748    62155485    7  HPFS/NTFS
[11:14] <Marble2> /dev/hdd2            7749       10359    20972857+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[11:14] <Marble2> /dev/hdd3           10360       20802    83883397+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[11:14] <Marble2> /dev/hdd4   *       20803       24321    28266367+  82  Linux swap
[11:14] <Marble2> there should be another one
[11:14] <Marble2> ntfs
[11:14] <Marble2> never mind
[11:14] <Marble2> I got it
[11:15] <lunitik> Marble2: any reason your extended is your swap?
[11:15] <Marble2> I don't know what that means
[11:15] <hawke_> lunitik: that's not an extended partition.
[11:15] <delltony> anyone here use a ati radeon 9700 with tvout if so how in the heck do you get tvout to switch to tvout ? i have it setup in xorg correcly so i think but when i plugin the wires and all i get nada on the tv as if it doesn't know i want to switch displays
[11:16] <ompaul> now where is the nice bubble bag
[11:16] <lunitik> Marble2: /dev/hdd4, the one with the * is extended... it shouldn't be used if you have more than 4 paritions... but in your case its swap
[11:16] <Marble2> i have no clue
[11:16] <lunitik> Marble2: swap is simular to windows page file btw
[11:16] <Marble2> oh
[11:16] <Marble2> well I have a gig of ram
[11:16] <Marble2> shouldn't matter that much should it?
[11:17] <lunitik> Marble2: but yeah... you shouldn't put it on hdd4.
[11:17] <hawke_> lunitik: it is not extended.  Where are you getting that idea from?
[11:17] <hawke_> lunitik: * indicates the boot flag is on.  There's no reason not to use hdd4
[11:18] <lunitik> hawke: well... I guessed thats what the * means... but yeah... if he had extended partitions, hdd4 wouldn't be used at all... so I'm just being a retard
[11:18] <Marble2> oh
[11:18] <Marble2> I'm dual booting
[11:18] <Frodo> hi, how can I reinstall my Ubuntu grub bootloader, I don't have a boot floppy...
[11:18] <hawke_> lunitik: hehe, K.
[11:18] <geppy> Frodo:  sudo apt-get install --reconfigure grub
[11:18] <lunitik> hawke: hah... thats probably worse then... cuz I don't think swap should be bootable... hell, I didn't even know you could make it bootable
[11:18] <geppy> or something like that =/
[11:19] <lunitik> geppy: dpkg-reconfigure grub
[11:19] <geppy> lunitik:  ah, thanks
[11:19] <ompaul> some nice eye candy opengl spectrum analyser with some music attached to it :)
[11:20] <hawke_> lunitik: the boot flag doesn't really matter for swap.  That hard drive config looks OK to me.
[11:20] <Frodo> Geppy, I cant get into Ubuntu to do that...
[11:20] <geppy> Frodo:  Try booting with the CD?
[11:20] <hawke_> lunitik: it doesn't indicate that it can actually boot, it just indicates that the default (windows) mbr will try to boot from it.
[11:20] <geppy> Frodo: You can use CTRL-ALT-F2 to get a root terminal (do that right before the disk partitioning)
[11:20] <lunitik> hawke: except that his linux partition isn't there cuz he didn't make any extended
[11:20] <Frodo> does the boot cd give me a way to access the partition without installing?
[11:20] <geppy> Frodo:  then run dpkg-reconfigure grub
[11:20] <geppy> Frodo:  Yes.
[11:20] <Frodo> thank you
[11:21] <geppy> No problem.
[11:21] <Frodo> that answers my question well
[11:21] <hawke_> lunitik: well, yeah.
[11:21] <StoffBox-Steve> for what are > Restricted Linux modules for version 2.6 on 386 ?
[11:21] <hawke_> lunitik: and no way to do that, really...
[11:21] <lunitik> hawke: not now... he b0rked partitioning pretty bad  ;)
[11:22] <hawke_> lunitik: Unless those partitions do not really have anything on them
[11:22] <Frodo> thanks again  be back later
[11:22] <hawke_> lunitik: would be simple to change one of them to a Linux type 83 partition
[11:22] <lunitik> Marble2: so basically... conclusion is... you have your install CD's around still?
[11:23] <Marble2> ugh I haven't even been paying attention
[11:23] <hawke_> Marble2: Is your system booting with that disk configuration?
[11:23] <Marble2> yes, but I don't feel like reinstalling
[11:23] <Marble2> yes it is hawke_
[11:23] <lunitik> hawke: to windows...
[11:24] <hawke_> Marble2: You should be fine then, really
[11:24] <Marble2> grub doesn't work for me btw
[11:24] <Marble2> I just run LILO
[11:24] <Marble2> works fine
[11:24] <hawke_> oh, but not to linux?
[11:24] <hawke_> Marble2: Does your system boot into Linux?
[11:24] <Marble2> of course
[11:24] <Marble2> how else would I be here
[11:25] <hawke_> Marble2: Well, there are irc clients for Windows. :-)
[11:25] <Marble2> well yea
[11:25] <hawke_> Marble2: run 'mount'
[11:25] <Marble2> but why would I be in #ubuntu
[11:25] <Marble2> asking for help
[11:25] <Marble2> ;p
[11:25] <lunitik> Marble2: so wait... what excactly was your question then?
[11:25] <hawke_> Marble2: And then fdisk
[11:25] <Marble2> lunitik: a stupid one and I figured out the answer right away
[11:25] <hawke_> Marble2: and then change the type of your Linux partition to 82. :-)
[11:25] <Marble2> you guys started anyalyzing what I pasted
[11:25] <lunitik> Marble2: gdi  :P
[11:26] <hawke_> Marble2: Not a requirement, just a good idea. :-)
[11:26] <isak> FINALLY! IT WORKED! Thank you, guys! :D
[11:27] <Marble2> ugh, damn k3b won't burn this cd, I'm just booting to windows to burn it. be right back
[11:27] <geppy> I'm using Polypaudio on Ubuntu Hoary, and I have set Polypaudio to use the ALSA device "jackplug", which works fine with other applications, such as aplay, and Gstreamer.  Unfortunately, Polypaudio spits out strange errors when I attempt to use it.  It complains that it cannot open the library for the ALSA JACK plugin, but that file indeed exists (and works fine for other applications).
[11:28] <geppy> Any polypaudio gurus about?
[11:29] <lunitik> jdub: you consider yourself a polypaudio guru?  :P
[11:29] <lunitik> geppy: he's the only one I can think of...
[11:29] <geppy> Alas, I shall have to try again later, it is time for me to be going.
[11:30] <geppy> lunitik: thanks. =)
[11:30] <chrissturm> anyone running networkmanager?
[11:30] <lunitik> chrissturm: likely not... I don't think redhat has made it public domain yet
[11:30] <geppy> lunitik:  it need not be public domain
[11:31] <chrissturm> lunitik: its in gnome cvs
[11:31] <geppy> lunitik:  It need only be GPL/LGPL/whatever
[11:31] <thenuke> ubuntu does not have modconf? not even in repos.
[11:31] <lunitik> chrissturm: maybe they have then  :P
[11:31] <drspin> YAY! got my internet && my dual processor machine working again!
[11:31] <drspin> now... why is my ubuntu only seeing 1 processor?
[11:31] <matt__> because it doesn't have an smp kernel
[11:31] <lunitik> thenuke: nope
[11:32] <matt__> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-4-686-smp
[11:32] <matt__> if you are using hoary
[11:32] <Karlosis> Hello, I was trying to install openoffice.org2
[11:32] <thenuke> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/modconf/
[11:32] <thenuke> ha, found it
[11:32] <kbrooks> HELP! I want ubuntu to see my hard drive!
[11:32] <kbrooks> err
[11:32] <Karlosis> Is it supported on x86_64?
[11:32] <thenuke> I thought that I have universe in use already :I
[11:32] <kbrooks> HELP! I want ubuntu to see my floppy disk drive!
[11:33] <drspin> matt__: I suppose I could use Hoary on the server...
[11:33] <ompaul> kbrooks, fdisk -l /dev/hd[a-d] 
[11:33] <ompaul> kbrooks, that will tell you what is there for mounting
[11:33] <drspin> matt__: will that image work for my Celeron processors
[11:33] <drspin> ?
[11:33] <thenuke> ompaul: those are nof floppydisks :I
[11:33] <matt__> drspin: yes
[11:33] <drspin> matt__: Thanks! :)
[11:33] <thenuke> kbrooks: so have you tried mounting /dev/fd0?
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> drspin: if you are using warty
[11:34] <ompaul> ahh
[11:34] <kbrooks> ompaul, dude! i want ubuntu to see my floppy disk drive. it isn't working
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> that would be 2.6.8.1-4 or something.. whatever the higest version is
[11:34] <drspin> HrdwrBoB: K
[11:34] <drspin> HrdwrBoB: thanks!
[11:34] <hawke_> ompaul: there're two questions, the second is a correction. :-)
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> no problem: )
[11:34] <isak> why doesnt mount /dev/hda1 /hda1 ntfs work? :\
[11:34] <ompaul> hawke_ aye
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> isak: because you need -t ntfs
[11:34] <isak> arh alright
[11:34] <Brunellus> any ndiswrapper users in the house?
[11:35] <Lemonzest> is there an amd64 guide/faq anywhere for linux?
[11:35] <Karlosis> Is openoffice.org2 supported on x86_64?
[11:35] <kbrooks> mounting it wont work
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> Lemonzest: with respect to what?
[11:35] <lunitik> isak: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /some/where/here  <-- correct syntax
[11:36] <Anubis> WOW!
[11:36] <Anubis> Magor update today huh?
[11:36] <Lemonzest> with respect to what i should expect speed and compatabilty wise
[11:36] <lunitik> isak: but either way... you need to go look at wiki for NTFS
[11:36] <thenuke> hey how can thise be now possible :o  I have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted __universe__  in my sources.list  but I still cant find modconf http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/modconf/
[11:36] <Anubis> 130 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:36] <Anubis> Need to get 76.9MB of archives.
[11:36] <Anubis> Hoary
[11:36] <Brunellus> why is ndiswrapper 1.0 not working today, when ti worked just FINE last night?
[11:36] <kbrooks> Anubis, problem?
[11:36] <Anubis> kbrooks, is there?
[11:36] <Brunellus> modprobe ndiswrapper today and I got "invalid module type"
[11:37] <Brunellus> or some such.  I'm not on the offending machine, and cant' get to it easily
[11:37] <kbrooks> Anubis, sounds like it is a major update
[11:37] <hawke_> thenuke: hoary vs. warty perhaps?
[11:37] <Anubis> kbrooks, you know anything about it?
[11:37] <Karlosis> only KDE, Gnome and X.org updates
[11:37] <Karlosis> The big 3 :9
[11:37] <hawke_> thenuke: do you really need modconf anyway?
[11:37] <ompaul> so is kbrooks happy yet or does kbrooks need a command like mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[11:38] <kbrooks> ompaul, please don't talk back
[11:38] <thenuke> hawke_: well I dont know, I was to edit modules.conf by hand but dudes suggested me to get modconf instead
[11:38] <isak> if i want fat32 support, then i have to reinstall the kernel dont i? :(
[11:38] <lunitik> isak: no... -t vfat
[11:38] <Frodo> I think maybe I am srewed...I did that with install disk "dpkg-reconfigure grub" got the error "grub not fully installed"
[11:38] <hawke_> thenuke: If you know what module you want, editting /etc/modules is the way to go
[11:38] <thenuke> hawke_: As I thought about removing some HAM radio protocols for example
[11:39] <Brunellus> I haven't changed anything on my system between last night and today, and ndiswrapper is gone.
[11:39] <isak> oh :)
[11:39] <geppy|away> Brunellus:  It was the GNOME gnomes
[11:39] <gma> I'm using glade 2.6 on warty. It's given me a GtkFileChooserDialog.
[11:39] <gma> it's not available in gtk 2.4
[11:39] <gma> what's that all about?
[11:39] <hawke_> thenuke: I don't think /etc/modules or modconf will be helpful for preventing modules from loading.
[11:39] <gma> seems like quite a large balls up to me, but it's not mentioned on the forums.
[11:39] <gma> I must be on crack
[11:39] <kbrooks> I want ubuntu to see my floppy disk drive, and i even have tried mounting it, but it will NOT work. it doesn't even give me a error
[11:40] <thenuke> hawke_: well... modules.conf says something like "uncomment what you dont want to be loaded"
[11:40] <hawke_> thenuke: I don't even see a /etc/modules.conf
[11:41] <thenuke> hawke_: that is a bit weird then if you really have ubuntu =)
[11:41] <thenuke> it for sure should be in there
[11:41] <drspin> Is it normal that I couldn't install from an IDE CD drive to a SCSI HD?
[11:41] <drspin> but I can install fine from a SCSI CD
[11:41] <Brunellus> the GNOMEs are really getting me down, geppy
[11:41] <Brunellus> h'mmm.  I did install gnome-bluetooth
[11:41] <Frodo> my problem is, grub in installed with my other partition on the mbr (mepis)  Ubuntu is on /dev/hda1 and Mepis on /dev/hda5.  Mepis cannot automatically see Ubuntu.  I have tried to point Mepis to the Ubuntu partition but to no avail.
[11:42] <Brunellus> but I dont' understand how or why that would mess with ndiswrapper
[11:42] <Brunellus> because last night, I ran *both* ndiswrapper and gnome-bluetooth with no problems.
[11:42] <Brunellus> I was in a rather good mood!
[11:42] <geppy> Brunellus:  Have you tried just apt-getting ndiswrapper again?
[11:42] <Brunellus> i compiled ndiswrapper from source
[11:42] <Brunellus> and, geppy, how do I apt-get when I hve no internet access?
[11:43] <Brunellus> *(this is not that computer)*
[11:43] <Frodo> I have googled lots of info about how to configure grub...but grub is not getting hold of Ubuntu...I have taken hours to do this
[11:43] <geppy> Brunellus: touch
[11:43] <Brunellus> yeah.  if I had 'net access, this would not be a problem
[11:43] <geppy> Brunellus:  Have you tried just reinstalling the ndiswrapper packages in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[11:43] <Frodo> Im about ready to blow away my Ubuntu partion and start over, though I hate to do this
[11:44] <Brunellus> no, not yet.  I'm trying to understand why this went wrong
[11:44] <geppy> Brunellus:  alright
[11:44] <Brunellus> it's unusual.  I ran ndiswrapper for months on suse with no problems at all
[11:44] <lunitik> Frodo: Ubuntu = 'hd(0,0)' Mepis = 'hd(0,4) ?
[11:44] <Brunellus> but I can't modprobe it.  modprobe -r and then modprobe...no go
[11:44] <Brunellus> reinstall.  no go
[11:44] <Frodo> yes
[11:45] <StoffBox-Steve> Frodo, it dont make you happy ... thrust me .. i reinstall linux 30 and more times last 3 weeks .. and im not happy ^^
[11:45] <Brunellus> all the proper drivers are loaded into ndiswrapper.  it ran last night
[11:45] <Brunellus> (which is how I was connected to irc all that time)
[11:45] <Frodo> Steve: me too
[11:46] <Brunellus> I'm furious, because everything was running so well!
[11:46] <Brunellus> ugh. any ideas?
[11:46] <Brunellus> nodoby's home at #ndiswrapper
[11:47] <Brunellus> OK.  I'm going to do it windows-style.  shut down, reboot, and hope the GNOMEs have all gone away
[11:48] <Brunellus> back in a second
[11:48] <Frodo> this is my grub for Ubuntu in menu.lst: title Ubuntu  root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz xxxx initrd /initrd.xxxx
[11:49] <Lathiat> Frodo: whats the problem? (like what error does it give)
[11:49] <StoffBox-Steve> Frodo, i can send you my menu.lst when it helps
[11:49] <Frodo> it does nothing
[11:49] <Frodo> Lathiat: it does nothing at all
[11:50] <Frodo> Steve: thanks for the offer
[11:51] <Frodo> I accepted the offer but it didnt open chat
[11:51] <StoffBox-Steve> :S
[11:51] <Frodo> I pressed accept
[11:51] <Lathiat> Frodo: it should look something like this
[11:52] <Lathiat> (see privmsg)
[11:52] <StoffBox-Steve> join #steve Frodo
[11:52] <Lathiat> the key parts to note are the root line, and root=/dev/hdX on the kernel line
[11:52] <Lathiat> make sure your root (hdX,X) is set right, etc
[11:53] <Frodo> that is exactly what it looks like
[11:53] <KING^^^> so ... please help me to fix this problem , my sound plays too fast in everything , in XMMS in XINE ...
[11:54] <macewan> is this after an upgrade?
[11:54] <Frodo> #steve
[11:54] <StoffBox-Steve> : /join #steve , Frodo :D
[11:56] <delltony> question anyone knwo what the cause to this problem might be. i use the ndiswrapper on my broadcom wireless card in hoary. and all is well but when i reboot i have to sudo ifdown -a then sudo ifup -a for it to be able to use the internet. any ideas?
[11:56] <Lathiat> delltony: most likely ndiswrapper is being loaded after it initially brings up the interfaces
[11:57] <delltony> that was my thought as well is there a way to prevent that ?
[11:57] <Lathiat> well you could try move ndiswrapper earlier in the boot process
[11:57] <Lathiat> the easiest thing is to probably add a script after ndiswrapper starts just to bring up th einterface then
[11:58] <BrianAnthony> how do I start ssh?
[11:58] <Jug_> just putting ndiswrapper to /etc/modules works for me
[11:58] <delltony> ok the later sounds better if you don't mind could you help me in doing that?
[11:58] <Lathiat> or you could try what Jug_ said
[11:58] <delltony> well i did the ndiswrapper -m thing
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> BrianAnthony: apt-get install ssh
[11:58] <Lathiat> that sounds sane, assuming just loading ndiswrapper picks up the things, i haven't relaly used it
[11:58] <delltony> is that what you were talking about Jug_ ?
[11:59] <Lathiat> delltony: edit the /etc/modules file, add ndiswrapper on a line by itself at the end of the file (if its not already there)
[11:59] <BrianAnthony> HrdwrBoB: I already installed ssh how do I start the service?
[11:59] <Jug_> well check if ndiswrapper is listed in /etc/modules
[11:59] <marcin_ant> hello
[11:59] <Lathiat> BrianAnthony: it should have already started
[11:59] <delltony> ok hang on let me look
[11:59] <marcin_ant> I got a problem with ppp connection
[11:59] <Lathiat> BrianAnthony: if not, /etc/init.d/ssh start
[11:59] <Marble2> what does ./.ICEauthority do
[11:59] <Brunellus> ok
[12:00] <Marble2> i tried to login and it gave me errors for that, I went and chmodded it to read write and execute for all