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marcin_antI cannot open ppp connection on boot - while I can with pon when system is started12:00
Marble2but wth does it do?12:00
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marcin_antit's probably related with this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%2312778612:00
delltonyyeah its not there12:00
BrunellusI'm furious.  same error12:00
delltonylet me put it at the end like you stated12:00
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BrunellusI can't understand how this all started12:00
marcin_antthere is a kind of solution but I don't know how to implement this12:01
marcin_antcould someone help me?12:01
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delltonyJug_, done thanks i will give that a shot12:01
INRSbo1my ftp and ssh under nautilus fail, is this a commun problem ?12:01
Jug_np12:01
Brunellusonce again:  ndiswrapper 1.0 gives an "invalid module type" when loaded12:01
Brunellusand I don't know/can't see why12:01
delltonynow if i could just figure out how to send the signal to my tvout card so it will pipe the screen to the tv id be all set haha i can't figure out how to get atitvout to work at all i have tried everything i can think of but no go12:01
AnubisSo we're not really on Hoary. We're on Grumpy.12:02
Brunellussince it worked fine when I ran it last night.  I've powered down and up again, and now nothing12:02
AnubisHey-- Perhaps we should change the name of this forum to Grumpy Groundhog Development?12:02
Marble2anyone?12:02
Loevborg"mplayer" crashes with a segfault. do you have the same problem?12:02
Jug_Brunellus: have you compiled ndiswrapper by your self?12:02
Anubishttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17448&page=2&pp=1012:02
BrunellusJug_:  yes12:02
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codymanhello12:03
Jug_Brunellus: you could try copying the compiled module manually to kernel lib dir..12:03
XposerXLoevborg, i have the same problem ...i think it's because it was compiled for a P412:03
codymani have a usb sound card.. i can hear things fine but i can't get recording working (it has rca inputs and i have my turntable hooked up to it from my receiver) but when i use apps like audacity it records nothing12:03
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Brunellusso that would be : sudo cp [path where I did the make]  [kernel lib dir path] ?12:04
LoevborgXposerX, sounds reasonable - I did install the -k7 version though.12:04
Brunellusnothing answers my question, though:  what could I have possibly done to break this?12:05
Brunellusaha!12:07
BrunellusOK.  now I know what might have happened12:07
Brunelluslast night I did a kernel-patch12:07
lavigjhey guys, I just got a new USB storage drive, what do I need to do to get it up and running? I looked for a guide but didn't find much12:07
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Brunellusbut I had compiled ndiswrapper against my earlier kernel (which is why it worked), presumably12:08
Brunellusdo I now have to remove ndiswrapper and recompile?12:08
dashWhat's the most convenient way to burn audio CDs from ubuntu?12:08
dashnautilus seems to only do ISO format12:08
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Loevborgdash, k3b is quite convenient!12:09
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karstendash: cdrecord, k3b12:09
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Jug_Brunellus: if you have updated kernel I guess you have to rebuild ndiswrapper also12:09
StoffBox-Stevesomeone have a all-in-one link for a nice Kernel making how-to inc. patching ( bootsplash ), extra modul install ---  will be nice!12:09
dazeddoes anyone run fluxbox in here?12:09
BrunellusI think that might be it, then.12:09
dashwheee 70MB of disk space12:09
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dashbah, what else am i going to use that space for.12:10
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jeldhello all12:10
dazedwhatsa a good mp3 player for linux?12:10
TongMasterany hoary users seen problems upgrading mozilla-firefox?12:10
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TongMasterE: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/installed-extensions.txt still present. Registration might have gone wrong.12:10
bloc76dazed, i like juk if your on kde12:10
TongMasterDeleting the file doesn't help :/12:10
Brunellusdazed:  xmms, but find the ubuntu multimedia howto12:11
dazedim on fluxbox gnome12:11
TongMasterIs this a known issue?12:11
bloc76i hate xmms12:11
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dazedBrunellus: where is that?12:11
jelddazed, for ubuntu GNOME try rhythmbox andor muine. muine though is mono based, so it will pull quite a few packages as deps12:11
dazedi tried to apt-get xmms said no installation file12:11
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WellyI'm going to cry.. i can't find ANY possible way of installing ubuntu from a hard drive partition :(12:12
Brunellusdazed:  google for it12:12
Brunellusor wait:12:12
jeldanyone uses kde here?12:12
dazedjeld: i have used xmms is it possible to get it to work?12:12
Brunelluswww.livejournal.com/users/ouij12:12
jelddazed, I never tried12:12
Brunelluslatest entry has lots of ubuntu-related links, multimedia inclusive12:12
lavigjso, I am guessing that to do this I need to make a filesystem on the USB drive, and then mount it. how can I tell where ubuntu sees the thumbdrive?12:12
goldfishdazed: 'apt-get install xmms'12:12
goldfish?12:12
Brunellusgoldfish:  he'll probalby want the mp3 codecs as well, eh?12:12
dazedgoldfish: that came up with the error there is no installation file present12:12
BrunellusOK.  time to recompile12:13
Brunelluswait.  h'mmm12:13
goldfishhrmm12:13
codymananyone might know why my usb sound card won't capture audio?12:13
dazedPackage xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.12:13
dazedThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or12:13
dazedis only available from another source12:13
dazedE: Package xmms has no installation candidate12:13
dazedthats the error when i tried to apt-get it12:13
c0rw1nhey all, installation of warty-release-install-amd64 fails when trying to install the 'linux-amd-generic' package on an nforce3 based system, it states: Failed to fetch file://cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-amd64/packages.gz Read Error - read (5 input/output error). md5sum checks out ok, but if i check it again after the installation fails - the md5sum fails on the same file... any ideas?12:14
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jelddazed, I just got it installed, but I get some library problems, my system is in a bit of a disarray though12:14
Riddelljeld: yes, people use KDE here12:15
jeldanyone knows which package creates the debian menu in /var/lib/gnome?12:15
dazedjeld: howd you go about it with apt-get do you have to add resources cuz i just installed ubuntu last night and just figured apt-get out this morning12:15
BrunellusOK.  back in a bit12:15
jelddazed, it seems to be in the main... let me check12:16
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StoffBox-Stevelol im makeing a standart 2.6.8 kernel with the config from ubuntu and get a lot of error! normal ?12:17
dashhmmmmz12:17
dashcdrecord does not see my drive12:17
jeldRiddell, I am trying to uninstall KDE (don't ask), and the only thing left is the Debian menu in GNOME, do you know what creates it?12:17
questionercan anyone tell me what the universe repesitoire is so i can add it to sources.list12:17
ggeeckohas anyone here switched from gentoo to ubuntu? and why?12:17
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srifear the questioner :)12:17
srij/k12:17
codymananyone know why "volume control" fails to load?12:17
dazedjeld what did you type 'apt-get install xmms' ?12:17
dashit also does not like me using a recent lunix. hm.12:18
dazedchekc ur source list for me12:18
jelddazed, yes12:18
jelddazed, I am using hoary12:18
StoffBox-Stevejeld, > sudo apt-get install xmms12:18
jeldStoffBox-Steve, of course, sorry dazed12:18
StoffBox-Steve:)12:18
lavigjquick question, you do have to make a filesystem on a USB drive, right?12:18
questionersri, do you know?12:18
dazedyeah when i hit up 'sudo apt-get install xmms' i get an error12:20
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StoffBox-Stevewhat error dazed ?12:20
dazeddazed@Initial:~ $ sudo apt-get install xmms12:20
dazedReading Package Lists... Done12:20
dazedBuilding Dependency Tree... Done12:20
dazedPackage xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.12:20
dazedThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or12:20
dazedis only available from another source12:20
dazedE: Package xmms has no installation candidate12:20
goldfishdazed: tried getting it from synaptic ?12:21
StoffBox-Stevecheck you sources list dazed12:21
dazedi have synaptic but i dont know how to use it wlel12:21
dazedstoffbox how do i check sources list12:21
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dazedStoffBox-Steve: how do i check my sources list?12:22
StoffBox-Steveeasy way oben synaptic, go top menu > settings > paket ... < sry dont know what list in eng. have a german install :) than checked the lines with universe ..12:23
c0rw1nanyone has an idea about what could be causing my weird problam (posted 10 minuts ago)12:23
RupertSwdazed, or use 'gksudo synaptic' from a console12:23
jeldanyone can help me with my Debian menu question?12:23
questionerStoffbox, i want to add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list, can you tell me the 2 lines to add?12:23
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StoffBox-Stevethe 2 lines are allready in the list but outcommend questioner12:24
questionerive only got ubuntu lines12:24
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questioner6 of them from wich 2 are commented12:24
goldfishdazed: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositoriesac12:25
dazedRupertSw: i did that do i edit my repository list?12:25
goldfishdazed: you have done that?12:25
StoffBox-Steve*** LONG POST **** < my source.list looks like this12:25
StoffBox-Stevedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse12:25
StoffBox-Stevedeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse12:25
StoffBox-Stevedeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted12:25
StoffBox-Stevedeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted12:25
StoffBox-Stevedeb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/ warty-backports main universe multiverse restricted12:25
StoffBox-Stevedeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main12:25
StoffBox-Stevedeb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/ warty-extras main universe multiverse restricted12:25
goldfishpaste bin tbh12:25
dazedgoldfish: no12:25
StoffBox-Stevedeb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian/ unstable main12:25
goldfishdazed: do that :)12:25
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dazedgoldfish: lol thanks im doing now12:26
goldfishno worries12:26
goldfishdazed: Ubuntu was my first time using linux, I had that problem for ages :)12:26
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goldfishdazed: that site is very useful for getting stared12:26
warty..12:27
goldfishhi warty12:27
wartyhi12:27
goldfish..12:27
wartyim a noob12:27
wartyin linux12:27
jeldStoffBox-Steve, what is in the backports?12:27
goldfishme too12:27
wartyim starting..12:27
warty>p12:27
goldfishwarty: What's up?12:27
wartyits hard12:27
wartywhere u from_12:27
goldfishIreland.12:27
wartyim spanish12:27
goldfishoh right12:27
warty...12:27
wartyye..12:27
wartyxD12:27
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goldfishI think there is a spanish room for ubuntu12:27
wartyold12:27
StoffBox-Stevepackage form hoary or debian testing unstable .. that are make for warty , jeld12:27
wartysure12:28
goldfishwarty: there is a channel for spanish speakers, #ubuntu-es12:28
wartyi think im the joungest here....12:28
goldfishhow old are u?12:28
wartyyoungest here12:28
wartyim only 1212:28
warty..12:28
wartyye i know12:28
goldfishk12:28
StoffBox-Steve2 lines miss on list .. the normaly main  lines are miss i see, there was on top of the file :D12:28
wartyu12:28
goldfish1912:28
wartyah ok12:28
wartyim learning bisual basic and linux...12:29
dazedgoldfish: i did the thing on the site12:29
dazedand now it just doesnt find xmms form a lot mor servers12:29
jeldStoffBox-Steve, thanx12:29
wartyvbs12:29
wartysry12:29
goldfishdazed: open up synaptic12:29
c0rw1nhey all, installation of warty-release-install-amd64 fails when trying to install the 'linux-amd64-generic' package on an nforce3 based system, it states: Failed to fetch file://cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-amd64/packages.gz Read Error - read (5 input/output error). md5sum checks out ok, but if i check it again after the installation fails - the md5sum fails on the same file... any ideas?12:29
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wartyhuh i supposed im 2 young 4 u bye...12:29
StoffBox-Stevegoldfish, ubuntu is easy to use, i think and install is greatfull .. but marking a kernel kills me ^^12:30
dazeddo it in synaptic?12:30
goldfishdazed: yeah12:30
marcin_antagain and again - please help me with ppp connection12:30
StoffBox-Stevehave you updatet the list dazed ?12:30
goldfishStoffBox-Steve: Oh right, I havent tried that, only using linux 4 weeks or so12:30
marcin_anthow to start this on system boot12:30
dazedim doing sudo apt-get update right now12:30
StoffBox-Steveme 3 weeks goldfish ;)12:30
dazedthen im goin to go in through synaptic12:30
goldfishlol12:30
dazedand add some servers12:31
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dazedis that right?12:31
goldfishdazed: it should work in apt-get after you update12:31
goldfishdazed: just open synaptic12:31
dazedok12:31
goldfishdazed: click search12:31
goldfishput in xmms12:31
Loevborg"apt-build source mplayer" gives me "cannot find source package for mplayer" - what's the matter?12:31
StoffBox-Stevei hav installed debian , gentoo , ubuntu .. and ubuntu is the best for a starter :) hardware finding and config is awesome from ubuntu :)12:31
goldfishyeah12:32
dazedtells me my password is wrong12:32
dazedto get into synaptic12:32
dazedbut its not12:32
goldfishk12:32
StoffBox-Steveyour userpw is use dazed12:32
dazedi know and its not working12:32
dazedfor some reason12:32
dazedits worked before12:32
jeldhmmm interesting... it looks that xmms doesn't like nvidia GL libraries12:32
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dazedi got it to work in apt-get finally12:33
StoffBox-Steve@ console try > # sudo -s  that synapitc12:33
Marble2in XMMS is ther esupport for hotkeys?12:33
dazedthanks for everyones help12:33
goldfishdazed: Woo :)12:33
StoffBox-Stevewooohooo compile a kernel with ubuntu standart config only take me an Hour :|12:34
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dazedlol but ill be back once its done installing does it automatically put it in my apps directory or doi have to reboot12:34
Brunellusarrrrse12:34
BrunellusOK.  I've worked out what I did to break the system, and now I have no idea how to get it back12:34
goldfishdazed: think u need to reboot12:34
goldfishcant remember12:34
Th3_YouNgesT..12:35
blahrusanyone in hoary have issues with totem play backing laggish12:35
Th3_YouNgesTno12:35
dazedok but itll show up eventually12:35
dazedcorrect?12:35
Brunellusndiswrapper was broken because I did a kernel-update12:35
goldfishyes12:35
goldfishin multimedia12:35
Brunellusand did not recompile ndiswrapper12:35
StoffBox-Steveautomatic normaly, when just just try xmms at the console :) or form menu > start app ( last menupoint )12:35
Brunellusso when I rebooted, kernel was different12:35
dazedcan i get limewire through apt-get?12:35
Brunellusso ndiswrapper wouldn't run12:35
Th3_YouNgesT.12:35
Brunellusso I tried to recompile now12:35
Brunellusand I'm still getting the ****ing "invalid module format"12:36
goldfishdazed: don't think so12:36
questionerare there any good tutorials on updateing my kernel, im using warty 2.6.8-1 abd would like to get the newest, would this be hard?12:36
dazedlol12:36
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StoffBox-Steveso i try a reboot with a new kernel with ubuntu standart config ,, and when it dosnt work ... i think i must go out and kill someone12:36
Brunelluscan anyone work out why I keep getting this invalid module format?12:37
questionerwell how would i install a new kernel and such?12:37
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questionerim totaly new to kernel things12:37
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StoffBox-Stevebe back12:37
Quaruptman, i think my java is screwed up, limerires GUI is all glitchy12:38
Brunellush'mmm12:38
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Brunelluswhat does "make dep clean" do?12:39
Brunelluser, "$make dep clean"12:40
Brunellus?12:40
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wk1989hi everyone12:41
wk1989i want to know how I can change the margin size in OpenOffice12:41
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wk1989any ideas?12:41
questionereach time i start xmms i get the following error12:41
questioner libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory12:42
questionerany help on fixing that?12:42
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Marble2Any way for me to get hotkeys in XMMS?12:42
LathiatMarble2: there is a plugin called itouch that i used at one point12:43
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StoffBox-SteveMUHAAA, OK can someone explain me this >>> i make a new 2.6.8.1 kernel with the standart Ubuntu config ( the same i use to boot this kernel im on with now ), and when i try to boot i cant find the filesystem ? Hello wtf is going on ? and therefor i wait a fucking hour to compile ?! *arg*12:44
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blahrusStoffBox-Steve: that doesn't really help us12:45
blahrusStoffBox-Steve: it would be 100's of things12:45
chrissturmstoffbox: probably a problem with your initrd12:46
LathiatStoffBox-Steve: 1) Lay off the profanity 2) You need to generate and use an initrd (--initrd to make-kpkg if you are using that)12:46
StoffBox-Stevebut the same think ( kernel and condig ) work fine, but when i recompile it its dosnt ? thats crazy12:46
questioner libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <<< i get that each time i open xmms also i dont hear any sound12:46
questionercan someone help me withthis?12:46
marcin_antdoes someone of you use ppp connection?12:46
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Lathiatquestioner: that error isnt overly bad12:47
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nictukumarcin_ant, I do.12:47
Lathiatquestioner: doe sound work in other applications?12:47
StoffBox-Stevemaybe Lathiat, i do > make-dpkg kernel_image and than dpkg -i kernel_image < so what can be wrong ?12:47
questioneri dont hear any sound at all so i think sound might not work at all12:47
questionerany option to test this?12:47
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marcin_antnictuku: and you establish your connection on system boot?12:47
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LathiatStoffBox-Steve: Try reading what people tell you, gets you a long way12:47
RupertSwquestioner, you could always cat something to /dev/dsp12:47
dazedcan ubuntu run rpm's?12:48
dazedfiles12:48
LathiatStoffBox-Steve: to repeat, you need to generate and use an initrd -- if you are using make-kpkg this can be done by passing --initrd to it.12:48
RupertSwquestioner, or apt-get upgrade libmikmod12:48
blahrusdazed: you will need to convert them12:48
dazed.rpm files12:48
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qlo-xaelcan anyone tell me if my ATI All-in-Wonder 9200's tv capture will work in ubuntu out of the box?12:48
dazedBlahru: how do i convert? and to what?12:48
StoffBox-Stevei make a lot of kernels the last weeks , form the easy way to the debian way ... and noone work 100% :S12:48
Lathiatquestioner: check in you rvolume control for a good start12:48
blahrusyou can't find what you need in the apt repos?12:48
Xenguydazed: you don't want to run RPM unless absolutely necessary12:48
Lathiatquestioner: make sure PCM and master is up12:48
StoffBox-SteveLathiat, --initrd is set12:48
dazedwell lime wire download is in rpm format?12:49
questionerthe volume is maxed, whats the other thing?12:49
Xenguydazed: what application are you trying to get?12:49
dazedlime wire12:49
marcin_antnictuku: how do you start your ppp connection?12:49
StoffBox-Stevelast time, i make my own config the kernel boot fine, ( i was really happy :D ) but the network dosnt work and the xserver cant start .. :(12:49
LathiatMarble2: ther eis a dialup howto in the wiki (i think its in the wiki) if you are tryign to figure out hwo to setup a dialup connection?12:49
qlo-xaelcan anyone tell me if my ATI All-in-Wonder 9200's tv capture will work in ubuntu out of the box?12:49
Xenguydazed: have you tried 'gtk-gnutella'?  It works pretty well for me.  Just a suggestion, not trying to tell you what to do :-)12:50
qlo-xaelerr video capture, u know, to watch tv12:50
LathiatStoffBox-Steve: so you re-made the package with --initrd, installed the new package?12:50
LathiatStoffBox-Steve: if you are using a custom grub config or somethign you will need to tell it about the initrd12:50
dazedoh no im all about new stuff i just want a file sharing program and i know limewire has a linux release12:50
StoffBox-Steveyes, do it a lot of times12:50
dazedcan i apt-get gtk gnutella?12:50
LathiatStoffBox-Steve: the defautl config should do it automagically12:50
StoffBox-Steveno using grub-update Lathiat12:50
qlo-xaelStoffBox-Steve: what exactly errors are you receiving?12:51
Lathiatdazed: apt-get install gtk-gnutella12:51
nictukumarcin_ant yes I do start it on boot. let me check my configs again and I'll show you.12:51
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Xenguydazed: you should be able to (but I'm not on an ubu box right ATM)12:51
dazedgot it its installing12:51
dazedthanks guys12:51
StoffBox-Steveon the installed kernel all work fine > find my 3c940 GB Lan , the nvidia card work, not on custom kernel nothing goes12:51
Xenguydazed: yw12:51
dazedwo wait problemo lol ill brb i have to restart xchat12:51
LathiatStoffBox-Steve: Why are you compiling your own kernel anyway?12:51
HrdwrBoBStoffBox-Steve: moral of the story.. use the onw that works :)12:51
LathiatStoffBox-Steve: unless you *really* need to, your better of not12:52
nictukuas I couldn't find rc.local in ubuntu, I created a script in /etc/rc2.d/S99internet with basically "pon isp" on it12:52
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StoffBox-Stevethe standart kernel have tomany think i never need, that bootsplash will be fine, and its just this ... i want that is goes and i never give up ... since aweek12:53
StoffBox-Steve@ Lathiat12:53
dazedalright well its  installing after a 2nd try12:53
dazedso its all good12:53
HrdwrBoBStoffBox-Steve: it's modular12:53
nictukuand isp is a /etc/peers config, afair.12:53
marcin_antnictuku: hmmmm12:53
HrdwrBoBStoffBox-Steve: you do not need to compile your own kernel.12:53
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marcin_antnictuku: and you don't have anything about ppp in /etc/network/interfaces?12:53
nictukumarcin_ant, and this connection was configured as dial-on-demand and persistent12:54
nictukuno, that isn't necessary.12:54
marcin_antnictuku: and this is dial-up?12:54
wk1989how to i change the margin in open office?12:54
StoffBox-Stevemust is modular HrdwrBoB, and its the think ... i want do make my own .. its killing me that im not enable to get one to work ...12:54
nictukuyep, 33.6kbps dial up12:54
dazedanyone in here use fluxbox?12:54
nictukudazed, I do.12:54
nictukuunfortunately12:55
HrdwrBoBStoffBox-Steve: there is no need at all whatsoever to make your own kernel12:55
StoffBox-Stevemy last kernel was fine, but the kernel was unenable to get up my network card and the xserver gets an error ( maybe nvidia driver are installed ? ) ..12:55
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dazednictuku: im used to blackbox for windows (why i got into linux in the first place) now im on ubuntu running flux box whats the purpose of the tabs and wheres the menu config file?12:55
HrdwrBoByou will spend hours configuring and breaking things12:55
HrdwrBoBthat were already working12:55
StoffBox-Stevea spend many hours jet HrdwrBoB12:56
dazedonce gtk gnutella is installed what menu is it under?12:56
dazedfound it12:56
marcin_antnictuku: so what about your /etc/network/interfaces ??? anything about ppp in there?12:57
nictukudazed menu = ~/.fluxbox/menu12:57
StoffBox-Stevehave a link for a howto to install custom modules ?, i think when i compile the driver for nvidia and network card it just work fine :D12:57
nictukumarcin_ant, answered that already, no, it's not necessary to set that up. that's what /etc/ppp/peers/* for.12:57
nictukuthere is also /etc/chatscripts/*12:58
marcin_antnictuku: I know - but these scripts are for "pon"12:58
marcin_antnictuku: and... /etc/init.d/networking12:59
nictukuoh yes indeed.12:59
nictukuwell, it works for me this way :)12:59
marcin_antnictuku: and I would like to start my ppp connection just with any other network interfaces01:00
dazednictuku how do i get tehre01:00
nictukuif you setup the interface in /etc/network/interfaces it will call "pon"01:00
marcin_antnictuku: yes but there is a problem01:00
marcin_antnictuku: because it works nice when system is booted01:00
marcin_antnictuku: but it doesn't work at all on system boot01:01
marcin_antnictuku: because /etc/init.d/networking script doesn't wait for ppp01:01
marcin_antnictuku: and it goes forward01:01
nictukuoh01:01
marcin_antnictuku: while there is no ppp connection yet01:01
marcin_antnictuku: I found info about debian bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%2312778601:02
nictukui'm not sure, but I believe that doesn't matter. networking script's job is to call pon, not to wait for it. pon (and other scripts) will set your interface, afaik.01:02
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nictukuhmm01:03
marcin_antnictuku: and there is a solution fot this but I even don't know how to use this diversion01:03
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marcin_ants/fot/for01:03
marcin_antnictuku: you are right but when you have init scripts01:03
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marcin_antnictuku: you got script which will fire up network interfaces and then will enable firewall01:04
marcin_antnictuku: and the problem is that my firewall doesn't work because there is no ppp0 yet01:04
nictukuhmm01:04
marcin_antnictuku: so after boot I need to do /etc/init.d/networking restart and /etc/init.d/[myfirewall/firestater/shorewall]  restart01:05
marcin_antnictuku: and everything works good01:05
nictukuthere are many workarounds possible, I presume. You can setup your ppp connection to reload your firewall after it finish connecting, for example.01:05
marcin_antnictuku: maybe your solution with S99internet is good01:06
marcin_antnictuku: but when I got /etc/network/interfaces file and /etc/init.d/networking scripts I would like to use them01:06
dazedhey everyone01:07
dazedthis is a really stupid question but...01:07
goldfishaloha01:07
marcin_antnictuku: ehh I'll try01:07
nictukuI don't think it would work very well either. if you call "pon isp" and then "restart firewall" it won't work. pon is asynchronous, it goes to the background.01:07
dazedwhat on gnome desktop manager (ubuntu) do i use to explore my drives and programs and folders and such01:07
goldfishdazed: Computer > disks01:07
dazedim on fluxbox01:07
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goldfishoh01:08
nictukuso your firewall will be restarted before it's all set. try finding a parameter for ppp that runs a script after connection is made.01:08
goldfishuse a console :)01:08
dazedis there an explorer i can apt-get like konqueror or something?01:08
thenukeargh, does someone know where gdesklets store info about what desklets it starts on startup?01:09
StoffBox-Stevetry nautilus dazed01:09
thenukeit wont start again as there are some problematic desklets :)01:09
dazedthanks stoffbox01:09
StoffBox-Stevenp dazed01:10
dazedstoffbox01:11
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dazedthat nautalis brought up a whole desktop window on my fluxbox and now i cant close01:11
BrunellusOK.01:12
StoffBox-Stevewhen no modul is needed for boot i dont need a initrd.img , or ?01:12
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StoffBox-Steveautch dazed, wait01:12
nictukudazed you can try alt+f2 then clicking on the desktop. (alt+f2 will only work if you have gnome base loaded)01:12
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StoffBox-Steve@console > nautilus -q  dazed01:12
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StoffBox-Stevewhen no modul is needed for boot i dont need a initrd.img , or ?01:14
BrunellusOK.01:15
olyhi i am tryin to ssh to a friends ubuntu coputer, i got him to get openssh clients and server01:15
Brunellusso last night I compiled ndiswrapper 1.001:15
olyi know his ip username and password, how ever when i try and connect it is refusing the password01:15
Brunellusit ran fine01:15
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Brunellusthat enabled me to grab a kernel update01:15
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olyanyone know possible reasons for this, the details are definately right01:15
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Brunelluseverything ran fine until I needed to reboot01:16
olyi tried the same with another friend with out problem01:16
Brunelluswhereupon ndiswrapper woulnd't load01:16
dazedhey im trying to customize my ubuntu....how can i get the window color to be like dark blue like i can on KDE Desktop01:16
nictukuoly the user account is not enabled to logon using ssh. ask him to try to log on himself.01:16
StoffBox-Steveon fluxbox i dont now , on gnome you can set the themes , and play with the borders and icons and so01:16
StoffBox-Stevedazed,01:16
BrunellusI've tried to recompile ndiswrapper01:16
olywhat do you mean nictuku, he is logged in now01:17
Brunellusand it won't do.01:17
nictukuoly ask him to "ssh localhost" and logon using that user/pass01:17
Brunellusas in, I recompiled several times, and ndiswrapper fails to modprobe, citing an "invalid module type"01:17
olyokay, will get him to try thxs01:17
Brunellusso question is:  waht do I have to do to get ndiswrapper up again01:18
Brunellus?01:18
Brunellus(apt-getting or any other internet tricks are out: the wlan-card is that machines' only connection)01:18
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Brunelluscan I rollback using apt?  and how?01:18
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Brunellusand/or:  what steps must I take to recompile ndiswrapper so that it runs on the present kernel?01:19
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Brunellusargh.01:20
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Brunellusanybody home?01:21
darmouyes01:21
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darmouhow do you get the maintainer for a particular pacakge?01:21
Brunellusshould be visible in synaptic01:22
crimsundarmou: apt-cache show package|grep Maintainer01:22
darmouthanks crimsum01:22
olynictuku he is getting connection refused when using localhost01:22
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Brunellushow do I recompile ndiswrapper to work with a patched kernel?01:22
delltonyis array 6 gonna be released tomorrow anyone know?01:23
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crimsunBrunellus: you need ndiswrapper-source from universe01:23
mseneycan someone at a bash prompt try $man 8 glob and see if it brings up the page?01:24
blah09evening01:24
crimsunBrunellus: and linux-headers-$(uname -r)01:24
blah09oh that ties in nicely with my problem =)01:24
Brunelluscrimsun: so I *must* connect to the internet?01:24
Brunellusugh01:24
blah09is there anywhere i can get older ubuntu headers?01:24
crimsunmseney: glob(7)01:24
Brunellusthe only 'net connection on that coputer is the wlan card01:24
Brunelluswhich no longer works01:24
blah092.6.10-3? or are they the same as the -4?01:24
Brunellusbecaus ndiswrapper won't go!01:24
olywhy would ssh block you logging into localhost on your own computer ?01:24
olyi must be missing something01:24
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VjazAnyone else have this problem with Totem-Gstreamer (Hoary, but I had this in Warty too) that the Contrast setting gets reset to zero with every restart?01:25
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Brunelluscrimsun:  i compiled ndiswrapper from source, anyway01:25
Brunellusas in, directly out of whatever came out of their tar01:25
mseneycrimsun, i have a manual for studying to take the LPI 101 Exam and it says to type man 8 glob and read up on the section titled QUOTING. I don't understand why it's not the same as in this guide?01:25
mseneycrimsun, i couln't find a section labeled "QUOTING"?01:26
BrunellusI had all the source stuff extracted to my home directory01:26
mseney* couldn't01:26
BrunellusI went to the appropriate directory01:26
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Marble2how can i get my mouse3, mouse4, mouse5, etc buttons working?01:26
Brunellushit make01:26
Brunellushit make install01:27
Brunellusand nothing01:27
Brunelluswell01:27
Brunellussudo make01:27
Brunellussudo make install01:27
Brunellusno problems, no errors that I could see in the output of those01:27
Brunellusbut when it came time to modprobe ndiswrapper, I got "invalid module type"01:27
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Brunellusso then I did a sudo make clean, and started over again01:28
Brunellusstill the same problem01:28
Brunelluswhat am I supposed to do?01:28
dazedit wont let me install my application theme anyone have any ideas?01:28
XposerXdoes rhythmbox support the ipod?01:29
StoffBox-Steveok guys just one really problem left :)  how to tell the new kernel to use the ubuntu nvidia driver to use with xserver-xfree ?01:29
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Brunellush'mmm.01:29
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crimsunmseney: I know of glob(3) and glob(7) but not glob(8)01:30
Marble2how do I extract a .gz?01:30
crimsunMarble2: gunzip01:31
mseneycrimsun, hrmm. maybe it's a typo or something. I got this from ibm.com/developerworks01:31
heiksterdoes anybody know how to mount a ntfs partition under ubuntu?01:32
jesus\i can't play .wmv files, what codec do i need?01:32
StoffBox-Stevew32codes jesus01:32
crimsunheikster: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions01:33
stuNNedhi crimsun01:33
Brunellushow do I install a .deb package that I've downloaded off the 'net (not with apt)01:33
crimsunjesus\: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:33
crimsunBrunellus: sudo dpkg -i01:33
Brunellusthanks01:33
olyplease can some one help, why would ssh localhost get connection refused ?01:33
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andrilhello all01:34
crimsunoly: dpkg -l openssh-server|grep ^ii01:34
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olyokay crimsun, does that reinstall it ?01:35
stuNNedcrimsun: know how with openssh it will not write ~/.ssh/known_hosts?01:35
olyor checks existance :p01:35
olyta,01:35
andrilanyone know how to install Shockwave?01:35
fscbig hoary X/Gnome upgrade. cool01:35
crimsunstuNNed: ?01:35
crimsunandril: macromedia's web site has instructions01:36
jesus\thanks crimsun01:37
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StoffBox-Stevewhat is the default grafik driver ubuntu use at install ?01:38
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jesus\crimsun:  I installed w32codecs but totem still can't play the .wmv file01:40
jesus\should i reinstall totem?01:40
demonixuse kaffeine01:41
demonixi have no probs with it01:41
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jesus\but totem comes with ubuntu01:42
Loevborgjesus\, AFAIK, totem can't use win32 codecs.01:42
jesus\aha01:42
tckim tempted to upgrade to array-501:42
Loevborgjesus\, it lacks an mplayer backend.01:42
tckis 6 not supposed to be out soon ?01:42
jesus\Loevborg:  what do you suggest as player?01:42
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jesus\(kaffeine needs a lot of kde libs :/)01:43
demonixyeah01:43
mseneycrimsun, ah so the (number) means the section of the manual page. so like if you do a $man -k globb it tells you the info for glob is in section 7 of the manual.01:43
mseneyi think i understand now01:43
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mseneymaybe this is a different version of the manual and maybe is why it's in section 7 and not 801:44
VjazIt seems like Totem is broken for me in Hoary. Anyone else have problems with it?01:44
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fgxi'd like a network profile manager at boot. do you know something useful?01:44
Brunellusarrgh01:44
demonixworks for me in hoary i just dont prefer it01:44
BrunellusI can't get this fscking thing to work01:44
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Brunellustried to dpkg -i ndiswrapper-source01:44
Brunellusno joy01:44
jeebershi, I use debian quite regularly .. thinking of trying out ubuntu.. are there any benifits at the moment over a debian install01:45
VjazThe xine version especially has a problem. It won't start if I don't have my external CD drive pluged in.01:45
crimsunBrunellus: well, you then have to actually compile it01:45
Greg___does anyone know a good network troubleshooting page for establishing your wireless connection to the internet?01:45
crimsunBrunellus: read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source/*01:45
Greg___i have ndiswrapper installed correctly01:45
Greg___and the driver has been loaded01:45
Greg___but whenever i try to connect to something or ping, or ssh01:45
hou5tonI just installed Ubuntu, and have to sounds, ... and saw in forums to try this: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst01:45
hou5tonand then add in the line of the kernel this:01:45
hou5tonacpi_irq_isa=701:45
Vjazjeebers: A nicely setup Gnome desktop by default, and more recent stable packages.01:45
hou5tonis that still good to go?01:46
Greg___it just stalls for a while, and then says it couldn't resolve the name01:46
demonixhmmm01:46
fgxGreg___, what about /etc/resolv.conf?01:46
Greg___oh, what's in that01:46
Greg___or what needs to be in that01:46
Greg___i havne't looked in it yet01:46
fgxGreg___, dns servers01:46
Greg___ah, hmmm01:47
Greg___i guess that would do it01:47
fgxGreg___, there must be some value there01:47
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Greg___i have to manually enter them?01:47
Jet2k5hello, is there anymore sound themes for ubuntu?01:47
Greg___or is there a way for it to figure out which ones to use?01:47
Brunelluscrimsun:  how si compiling the ndiswrapper-source that I find in the .deb package different from compiling the daily .tgz which I've already downloaded and untarred?01:47
fgxGreg___, you have to put there your provider dns servers01:47
Greg___where do i find those01:47
fgxGreg___, mmmm maybe your provider web01:48
crimsunBrunellus: using Debian's module-building infrastructure generates a .deb for ndiswrapper-source and your specific kernel headers01:48
Greg___i'm booted in XP now, and i looked up the DNS address in the network connection details01:48
demonixyou can use the networking gui too01:48
Greg___should i just make sure that address is in it?01:48
crimsunBrunellus: not using that infrastructure just overwrites files haphazardly01:49
fgxGreg___, it is something udeful, copy dns set in xp01:49
BrunellusOk.  now we're getting somewhere.01:49
fgxGreg___, there is one primary and one secondary dns01:49
Greg___do you know where i see that in xp?01:49
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Brunellussecon question, crimsun:  because I had already untarred & compiled the .tgz01:49
fgxGreg___, net-> tcp/ip-> properties01:50
Brunellusam I in trouble?  or can I extract & compile the .deb with no problems?01:50
fgxGreg___, maybe they are assigned dinamically01:50
Greg___yea, they're assigned dynamically01:51
Greg___is there a command to print out what they are?01:51
jeebersthanks vjaz.. but i've got specific configuration that wouldn't be the norm.. its not for destop use its for a kiosk type machine that just displays flash adverts from a browser.. only been able to get full screen browser working in kde using mozilla.. is it just a matter of doing a apt-get like debian to install kde or does that totally defeat the purpose of using ubuntu01:51
fgxGreg___, ipconfig /all01:51
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fgxGreg___, from msdos prompt01:51
Greg___yea got it01:51
Greg___there's only that one i have written down already01:51
fgxGreg___, great01:51
Greg___address is same for the DHCP server01:51
fgxGreg___, ?01:52
Greg___i had tried adding that address in the DNS entry in the Networking GUI in ubuntu last night already01:52
Greg___and it didn't do anything01:52
Greg___any other suggestions before i reboot and double check it's listed in /etc/resolv.conf?01:52
fgxGreg___, wait, what happen if u ping an ip number?01:53
jeebersare people using kde 3.3 on ubuntu or just gnome?01:53
BrunellusI'll repeat my question:  if I had already compiled ndiswrapper from the source tarball on the ndiswrapper website01:53
Greg___in ubuntu?01:53
fgxGreg___, yup01:53
Greg___i only tried to ping www.google.com01:53
Greg___and it said couldn't resolve name, i think01:53
fgxGreg___, try IP first01:53
Greg___when i tried to ssh into something, it said "Temporary failure in name resolution"01:53
Brunellusdoes that prevent me from downloading ndiswrapper-source.deb, unpacking it, and compiling *that*01:53
fgxGreg___, it is surely a /etc/resolv.conf problem01:54
Brunellusor or will I break anything?01:54
demonixim on wireless and had the same prob01:54
Greg___ok cool, i'll reboot and give it a try01:54
Greg___thanks fgx01:54
fgxGreg___, ur welcome01:54
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hhhdsfhi01:54
hhhdsfI'm doing my homework01:55
hhhdsfwhat's one important feature of lisp?01:55
hhhdsfthat's the question01:55
hou5tonok ... i've looked around the forums, etc. .. and could use some help getting sound to work on a new install01:55
hhhdsfi think it's the reverse thing01:55
hhhdsfbut i don't know how to say it01:55
Brunelluslisp?  it makes you sound effeminate hhhdsf01:55
hhhdsfso any1 know?01:55
fgxany suggestion about a profile network manager at boot?01:56
Brunelluslithping ith uthually conthidered a speech impediment01:56
BrunellusOk.  back in a bit01:56
hhhdsfi don't get it01:56
Riddelljeebers: yes, please use KDE01:56
Brunellushhhdsf: a jest.01:56
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Brunellusok.  *one more time* to get this working.01:57
hhhdsfi'll look it up:)01:57
hhhdsfr u sure it's something i can write in my assignment, Brucellus?01:57
dazeddoes anyone know how to install application themes into Gnome?01:57
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mseneycrimsun, i definately have something wrong w/ my man pages on this system. I should have a glob(3) and i don't01:58
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mseneycrimsun, any ideas on how i could fix that?01:59
crimsunmseney: there's nothing wrong; just install manpages-dev01:59
mseneytrying it now01:59
fgxdazed, art.gnome.org01:59
fgxdazed, all in the faq there02:00
stuNNedcrimsun: i.e. known_hosts doesn't get written when the server sends it's public key...02:00
dazedty02:00
dazedis anyone on Fluxbox in here?02:00
crimsunstuNNed: why would it when the keys are exchanged? that file is only modified when you, as the user, acknowledge affirmatively that you wish to add the host key02:01
olyokay got a bit further with ssh, it works on local machine but when making connection accross the net it gets permission denied02:01
mseneycrimsun, that worked for the glob(3) thanks !! guess i have alot more to learn just about man pages.02:01
olythe port is open i did a port scan02:01
dazedfgx: i did what it said on that faq and it would not let me pick the recently installed style...thre was no option for it after done installing02:01
olyso what other reasons would there be for ssh to give a permission denied message over the net ?02:02
fgxdazed, ok next step: extract tar in .themes in your homefolder02:02
goldfisholy: problems ssh'ing to your box ?02:02
goldfisholy: or to another box/02:02
crimsunoly: please be less vague: Which server is giving that error?02:02
goldfish?02:02
olyyeah,02:02
fgxdazed, it should work02:02
olyits a friends computer,02:02
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olyssh localhost allowed him to login and work correctly02:03
goldfisholy: Is he behind a router?02:03
olybut me trying, by using his internet ip does not02:03
olyyes, but a port scan says the port is open02:03
goldfisholy: Well, he has to forward the port on his router02:03
goldfisholy: It is not open externally02:03
goldfisholy: unless the router is forwarding the port02:04
Brunelluscrimsun:  there *are* no docs in /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source/*02:04
olyoh, okay did not realise that, i thought if port was open the data could get through in both directions02:04
goldfishwell02:04
Brunellusnothing but the usual ndiswrapper preamble, and a couple of changelongs02:04
goldfisholy: It depends who is doing the scan02:04
goldfisholy: It is open if he is scanning02:05
olyi did the scan on his ip02:05
||QuaD|any big mono users here?02:05
Brunellusso how do I go about compiling this, now that I've unpacked ndiswrapper-source?02:05
crimsun||QuaD|: tseng is02:05
goldfisholy: And it said 22 open?02:05
olyit said port 22 was open02:05
olyyeah, for ssh02:05
||QuaD|tseng: you around?02:05
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Brunelluscrimsun, you still here?02:06
tseng||QuaD|: hi.02:06
crimsunBrunellus: yes02:06
Brunelluscrimsun:  OK.  there are no docs in /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source/*02:07
Brunellusother than the usual ndiswrapper preamble, with links I can't follow, a couple of changelogs, and an README.Debian which gives the package maintainer's name02:07
Brunellusthat's it.02:07
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||QuaD|tseng is there a way to figure out where unreachable code is, if i get unreachable code as a warning02:08
stuNNedcrimsun: my problem is i have two computers behind the same domain name so i get a 'man in the middle attack' warning and no connect when switching between the two02:08
tseng||QuaD|: doesnt sound familiar02:08
tsengcould you be more specific?02:09
||QuaD|tseng: :( ok02:09
||QuaD|tseng: i am using someone else's code02:09
||QuaD|tseng: and it gives me a warning "Internal() warning CS0162: Unreachable code detected"02:09
||QuaD|so i want to find out where that is02:09
||QuaD|atleast a class or namespace02:09
chrissturmquad: why do you need to find out?02:09
crimsunBrunellus: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/InstallDebian02:10
||QuaD|chrissturm: so i can fix it?02:10
tsengis that from mcs? or at runtime02:10
crimsunBrunellus: those instructions will shed some light02:10
||QuaD|tseng: mcs02:10
tsengi really dont have much clue for you, could ask with specifics on #mono/irc.gnome.org02:10
chrissturmquad: just because theres unreachable code doesnt mean you need to fix something02:10
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crimsunstuNNed: "switching between the two?"02:10
||QuaD|chrissturm: i would like to see whats causing it02:11
dazedanyone running fluxbox?02:11
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fgxdazed, what about .themes?02:12
crimsun||QuaD|: look for code underneath a return statement02:12
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Cr0noomg02:12
||QuaD|crimsun: its thousands of lines of code02:12
||QuaD|crimsun: i know what the warning means02:12
crimsun||QuaD|: it's similar to debugging unreachable code in C, C++, Java, ...02:13
||QuaD|crimsun: but there usually you have a line #02:13
BROKEN_LADDERis it correct to call linux "a unix"02:13
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: UNIX-like02:14
kim1any ppc ubuntu users wanna help with a networking LAN q?02:14
stuNNedcrimsun: ssh to one computer name@domain different port, disconnect, ssh same_name@domain different port, the second time i  get warning and no connect02:14
tsengBROKEN_LADDER: it would be somewhat accurate02:14
tsengBROKEN_LADDER: linux strives to be posix-compliant02:14
BROKEN_LADDERbut i thought unix was a proprietary name.02:14
tsengit is02:14
BROKEN_LADDERright.  it is posix compliant.  it is a unix clone.02:14
tsengits a certifaction02:14
tsengby the Open Group02:14
BROKEN_LADDERbut it is not "unix" any more than save-on cola is coke.02:14
tsengwhich costs a good bit of money.02:14
hhhdsf#basic02:14
BROKEN_LADDERdoes the cert say that it is "unix" or "posix compliant".02:15
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: it's most clearly stated on www.kernel.org02:15
crimsun"Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix, written from scratch by Linus Torvalds with assistance from a loosely-knit team of hackers across the Net. It aims towards POSIX and Single UNIX Specification compliance."02:15
Brunelluscrimsun:  the whole business got started when I did an apt-get upgrade02:15
Brunelluswhen I did an apt-get upgrade, I already had the linux-headers installed02:15
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veristeadok... is there a way to get my Ubuntu laptop to print off a network printer that is being shared by my Mac OS X box02:15
veristead?02:15
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Brunelluswould apt-get upgrade upgrade the linux-headers, as well?02:16
StoffBox-Stevehow to STOP the xserver ?02:16
crimsunstuNNed: the warning is normal02:16
dazedhey...i installed gtk-gnutella via apt-get and now when i try clicking on it ...no response it does nothing02:16
chrissturmquad: it seems there are versions of mcs that display the filename and others dont02:16
crimsunStoffBox-Steve: for what purpose?  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop02:16
demonixsteve init 302:16
StoffBox-Stevethx i try it :)02:16
crimsundemonix: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play foolish runlevel games.02:16
||QuaD|chrissturm: i am using the one on hoary02:16
demonixoh02:17
kim1anyone know how I can see other Mac's on my LAN?02:17
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veristeadok... how do i set up my Epson Printer to print in Ubuntu?02:17
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dazedhey...i installed gtk-gnutella via apt-get and now when i try clicking on it ...no response it does nothing anyone hlep me?02:18
crimsun||QuaD|: set the MONO_DEBUG env var02:18
veristeadanyone able to help me?02:19
crimsun||QuaD|: mono(1) has more info02:19
||QuaD|crimsun: ok02:19
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||QuaD|thanks02:19
LinuxJonesveristead, install libgimpprint then gnome-cups-manager02:19
crimsundazed: working on that. A fixed package will be in Hoary tomorrow.02:19
LinuxJonesveristead, sorry sudo gnome-cups-manager02:19
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dazedmost excellent02:20
dazedthanks crimsun02:20
crimsunno sweat02:20
tckanyone see this --> http://farsight.sourceforge.net/02:20
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tcklooks promising, trying to develop proper open souce standards for IM video playback etc..02:21
crimsuntck: not until now, seems interesting on brief glance02:21
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tckthey have a chan on this server02:21
tck#farsight interestingly enough02:21
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tcki think alot of peeps are crying out for webcam support02:21
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BockBilboany of you have managed to log into a remote computer using vnc and gdm???02:22
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YomicIs it possible to recover a deleted (or lost) partition?02:24
fscwhat the hell is up with xorg 6.8.2.   redraw is way slow02:24
dazeddoes linux have some like super enhancing connection tool...cuz im gettin speeds of 12.0kb/s consistently and im on a shared 56k02:25
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BrunellusOK crimsun, I think I know what you're on about02:26
goldfishdazed: It makes better use of connections02:26
Brunellusone mroe question:02:26
fscdazed: no. there might be some compression going on, but don't trust numbers02:26
goldfishhrmm...02:26
goldfishor that :)02:26
dazedlol ok just wondering cuz i was definately surprised02:26
Brunellusin the InstallDebian page on the ndiswrapper wiki, it tells me to "fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules02:26
BockBilbohow do i recover the original menu in wmaker?02:26
Brunellusthat command didn't go through, so how do I change that for ubuntu?02:26
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goldfishBrunellus: apt-get install fakeroot02:28
Brunellusno, fakeroot is there02:28
goldfishk02:28
goldfishsorry02:28
Brunelluswhat isn't there is debian/rules02:28
fscso has anybody noticed some slowness with xorg 6.8.2? or maybe it's metacity, but something is definitely wrong after the big xorg/gnome upgrade02:29
crimsunBrunellus: did you untar the source that the ndiswrapper-source file provides?02:29
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Brunellusyes, that's untarred02:29
BrunellusI'm that far along02:29
crimsunfsc: I don't notice anything odd02:29
crimsunBrunellus: and $(cwd) ?02:29
Brunellusthat wasn't in the instructiosn02:29
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Brunelluswhat's $(cwd)?02:29
crimsunBrunellus: it prints your current dir02:30
goldfishcurrent working directory02:30
Brunelluslet me run upstairs and see.02:30
crimsunBrunellus: basically you need to be in the parent directory of debian/rules02:30
BrunellusI'm in /usr/src02:30
crimsunyeah, you need to descend two levels02:30
Brunellusno02:30
crimsunmodules/ndiswrapper-source, I presume02:31
BrunellusI'm in /modules/ndiswrapper02:31
Brunellusyeah02:31
Brunellusso I should cd /modules/ndiswrapper/debian/rules02:31
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Brunellus?02:31
crimsunno, you should run fakeroot ./debian/rules ....02:31
Brunellusfrom /modules/ndiswrapper02:32
Brunellusright/02:32
Kirschhey guys, whenever i try and open/save a file via sftp, it doesn't allow me to save it regardless of the permisssions (i know i have access to the file but it ALWAYS opens as read-only) any idea?02:32
crimsunBrunellus: I presume you really mean /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper, not /modules/ndiswrapper ...02:32
Brunellusyes.02:33
Brunellussorry.02:33
dazedanyone run fluxbox in here?02:33
Brunelluscd /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper02:33
Brunellusfakeroot ./debian/rules binary-modules02:34
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Brunelluscorrect?02:34
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crimsunBrunellus: you may need to provide additional parameters like KSRC and KVERS02:34
crimsunBrunellus: depending on whether you're using self-compiled kernel source02:34
crimsun(or kernel headers)02:34
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Brunellusno, they're out of the apt repostiories02:35
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bestadvocatehello, I have returned from the land of the Mac, to find my Hoary computer 162 files out of date.02:35
crimsunbetter update && dist-upgrade, then :p02:36
Brunelluscrimsun:  for the millionth time02:36
Brunellusthe computer *has no connectivity*02:36
sridoes anybody have any problems with playing cds on hoary?02:36
sriI keep having some permission problems02:36
crimsunBrunellus: that was to bestadvocate.02:36
sriand i can't eject the cd either.02:36
Brunellussorry02:36
srithe damn device is like at 666, I'm not sure what could be the problem.02:36
bestadvocatesri dontyou hate it when that happens02:37
sribestadvocate: yeah, I blame the kernel :)02:37
BrunellusOk.  I'm going to fakeroot now.  if this works, I'll catch you on my other box02:37
crimsunsri: which device, though?02:37
sri/dev/hdc02:37
sriwhich is a cdrom according to demsg02:37
srier dmeest02:37
srigoddam it.. dmesg02:37
crimsunsri: ok, and has udev created a symlink to /media/cdrom0 (and thus to /media/cdrom)?02:37
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sriit has02:38
bestadvocatei wonder if updates have made sound juicer cool yet :=] 02:38
sribestadvocate: yeah, it was broken earlier, wouldn't rip cds.02:38
sricrimsun: when I play gnome-cd it says "drive error" and in console it says "Error opening CD"02:39
sricrimsun: goobox works fine, but I can't eject the cd02:39
sricrimsun: I have to be root to eject02:39
StoffBox-Stevehmm i cant get the nvidia driver work ... only vesa is running with my custom kernel, maybe why only vesa is in kernel ... i installed the driver from nvidia.com ... what must i change in the Xfree config do get them work ?02:39
crimsunsri: which device is cd player app configured to use?02:40
sriStoffBox-Steve: you can probably find a lot of stuff on google if you search nvidia and xorg02:40
crimsunStoffBox-Steve: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto02:40
StoffBox-Stevei know sri, google is my best friend :D02:40
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tritiumStoffBox-Steve, it's easier to use the nvidia drivers that come with ubuntu02:41
StoffBox-Stevebut search hour for hour is boring, thats why i ask :D02:41
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StoffBox-Stevethe not work too :S02:41
sricrimsun: preference only gives me one choice CDU521102:41
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crimsunsri: odd. Shouldn't be a problem seeing your device permissions, and I presume your $USER is in the cdrom group...02:42
sricrimsun: on goobox it's the same device.02:42
sricrimsun: it is02:42
StoffBox-Stevei boot with my cutom kernel deinstall the driver and install it again > nvidia-gls-config enable < restart X but nohting x crash02:42
sricrimsun: and I've chmod'd it to 666 as well.02:42
stuNNedcrimsun: i figured it out, thanks!!!02:42
crimsunsri: checked the bug report(s) for gnome-media?02:42
crimsunsorry, have to run out for a bit02:42
ZolMedI am trying to install Ubuntu and have a logitech cordless keyboard (part of Logitech mx duo).  Once I get to the "select your language" screen the keyboard stops working.  Everything before that it works fine.  I haven't been able to find a specific resolution to this in google or wiki, and I know the keyboard works in linux because i'm typing on it now !02:42
bestadvocatebrb02:42
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sricrimsun: attempting to use strace on the process causes my X session to hang and I have to go to console to kill strace02:43
sricrimsun: okay02:43
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racingcamelis there a good tutorial to network printing on a shared printer installed on a windows machine?02:45
sricrimsun: thanks, I was able to find a ref to this bug02:47
Brunelluscrimsun:  it won't dpkg02:47
Brunellussays I need ndiswrapper-utilities02:47
Brunellusugh02:47
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StoffBox-Stevesri, all the changes are done, nvidia is at etc/modules  glx-config is enable, xfreeconfig -4 is edit .. *hmm* any ide's ?02:47
sriStoffBox-Steve: are you using hoary or warty?02:48
Brunellusndiswrapper utilities is nowhere!02:48
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TarkusHow do i make a dual boot thing so i can select windows or linux??02:48
StoffBox-Stevewarty02:48
goldfishTarkus: Grub shoiuld do it for you.02:48
goldfish*should02:48
Tarkusok thnx02:49
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sriStoffBox-Steve: oh.  yeah so it's still xfreeconfig-4..what does /var/log/Xfree86*.log say?02:49
StoffBox-Stevetahts my section somethink wrong ?Section "Device"02:49
StoffBox-SteveIdentifier"NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA Default Card"02:49
StoffBox-SteveDriver"nvidia"02:49
StoffBox-SteveBusID"PCI:1:0:0"02:49
StoffBox-SteveVideoRam13200002:49
StoffBox-SteveEndSection02:49
StoffBox-Stevewait i look sri02:49
Brunellusno wait02:49
Brunellusfound it02:49
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dazed_i need some help please...i was downloading konqueror and about 97% of the download (Via apt-get) it gave me this Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin_3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb  Connection timed out02:50
dazed_E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?02:50
Riddelldazed_: apt-get update && apt-get install konqueror02:50
dazed_Riddell: will this start from fresh i mean it took me nearly an hour and a half on my 56k02:51
StoffBox-Stevesri, the log only shows the last free start or ?02:51
Riddelldazed_: no, it will continue where it got cut off02:51
racingcamelhow do i get a shared windows printer to funtion, I always get the eror message unable to connet?02:51
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sriStoffBox-Steve: well, it should tell you how it's starting and whether it loaded everything correctly, you should look for EE stuff in the log02:52
StoffBox-Stevesri, ok found this > (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)02:53
dazed_most excellent thank you02:53
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bestadvocatethat was a most excellent update02:53
StoffBox-Stevebut the driver is at /lib/mudoles/nvidia.ko02:53
sriStoffBox-Steve: did you load the glx module?02:53
sriStoffBox-Steve: and also did lsmod | grep nvidia show up?02:54
StoffBox-Stevehmm when booting the only , i think form nvidia i see is > NVIDIA TLS links ....02:54
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StoffBox-Stevesomethink like that02:55
sriStoffBox-Steve: no, check to see if it loaded the nvidia kernel module02:55
sriStoffBox-Steve: lsmod | grep nvidia02:55
StoffBox-Stevenvidia               3468700  002:55
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StoffBox-Stevethat come the i do lsmod02:55
srithat looks like nothing is using it02:56
StoffBox-Stevemaybe i with vesa on now :)02:56
sriStoffBox-Steve: rmmod vesa and nvidia and then do modprobe nvidia02:56
CarlKhoary from Feb 14 - cardinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:57
sriStoffBox-Steve: but make sure in your Xfree86config file you have Module "glx" also in there.  Is uspect you do.02:57
bestadvocatethe only thing not yet fixed is the 64 bit Mono install02:57
StoffBox-SteveERROR: Module vesa does not exist in /proc/modules < ?02:57
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sriStoffBox-Steve: so maybe you don't have vesa installed..do a modprobe nvidia again02:58
StoffBox-Steveglx is on GLcore ? and dri are off, sri02:58
CarlKI am trying to see what the card ID is of a atmel pccard wifi - what should show it?02:58
sriStoffBox-Steve: GLcore should be commented out02:58
StoffBox-Steveno error, good ? :D02:59
sriStoffBox-Steve: but you should also have a module called glx02:59
sriStoffBox-Steve: and I'm referring to the X module, not kernel02:59
sriStoffBox-Steve: so in Section "Module" you should have a Load "glx"02:59
StoffBox-Stevejap >03:00
StoffBox-SteveSection "Module"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"bitmap"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"dbe"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"ddc"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"extmod"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"freetype"03:00
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StoffBox-SteveLoad"glx"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"int10"03:00
sriok03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"record"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"speedo"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"type1"03:00
sriack03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"v4l"03:00
StoffBox-SteveLoad"vbe"03:00
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sriStoffBox-Steve: you don't need to show me the whole thing03:00
StoffBox-SteveEndSection03:00
CarlKhids?03:00
sriStoffBox-Steve: a yes or no is sufficient03:00
StoffBox-Stevesry simple copy past ... have it at the clipboard03:00
sriStoffBox-Steve: so I'm not sure whats the cause is here is.  I'd google around some and look at your log and maybe search the error in google03:01
sriStoffBox-Steve: that what I usually do.03:01
StoffBox-Stevei know, do it many many times for kernel stuff ^^ take me a few days do make a working kernel *GG*03:02
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error_29good evening folks -- I did something stupid, and I hope somebody can help bail me out03:03
error_29I uninstalled metacity03:03
error_29rash, I know03:03
DeviantIm trying to setup my Essid but it keeps bringing up another ESSID thats on another network? any ideas why?03:04
error_29now, I can't reinstall it, because apt-get demands that I use my install cd03:04
error_29but it refuses to read the damn thing (the cd is fine)03:04
farruinnerror_29: why not comment out the CD line and use the online repositories?03:04
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error_29It's like the versions don't match anymore or something03:05
error_29how do I do that farruinn?03:05
error_29wait, I think I see what you mean03:05
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error_29I didn't even realize the CD was still listed as a source03:06
bestadvocatei'm going to download some games while i have fast internet03:07
error_29ok, thanks farruinn, I think I can figure that out now.  I actually really prefer iceWM as the manager, but gnome is acting a little flaky without metacity.  In over my head here...03:08
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farruinniceWM, that's the one that looks like windows 95 or something, right?03:08
farruinnor maybe a previous version of it did...03:08
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bestadvocatefarruinn: and its faster than your average bear03:09
error_29not at all -- well, to tell you the truth, I hardly remember win 95.  IceWm has much nicer themes than metaciy, and you can cascade and tile windows etc03:09
karstenI don't have ubuntu in front of me ATM.  Is webmin-shorewall available for ubuntu, and how would I generally check package availability?03:09
angelharpdoes anyone know if the install cd has the complete LAMP stack03:09
angelharp?03:10
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farruinnkarsten: it is available.  I use the 'apt-cache search [package] ' command03:10
karstenfarruinn: icewm is themable.  There's a Win95 theme, among many ohters.03:10
crazydeb8rhey all03:10
karstenfarruinn: I'm not on ubuntu ATM.03:10
karstenfarruinn: Is there a channel bot and/or search page at ubuntu website?03:10
karstenfarruinn: I'm *very* familiar with Debian.03:11
bestadvocateangelharp: its got linux and python aplenty, apachie not so much and not so much MySQL03:11
crazydeb8rAnyone know why XMMS cuts .m4a files about 2 seconds short?03:11
karstenfarruinn: ...and #debian.03:11
angelharpso apt-cache is equivalent of rpm for Red Hat?03:11
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karstenfarruinn: ...um.  Oh, you weren't answering my question... ;-)03:11
karstenfarruinn: NM.03:11
farruinnkarsten: haha, well anyway google ubuntu+packages and there first hit ought to be what you're looking for03:11
billytwowillyHi, evolution says I have 3 emails in my inbox that are unread and there aren't any there. What is wrong?03:12
crazydeb8rbillytwowilly: did you click send/receive?03:12
billytwowillyyah.03:12
karstenangelharp: No.  'dpkg' generally is more equiv to 'rpm' command.  There's a bunch of higher-level package management tools for ubuntu/debian.03:12
crazydeb8rand you have your inbox selected?03:12
karstenfarruinn: Huh?  What's Google?  </ducks>03:12
billytwowillycrazydeb8r, yah, it's weird. This happened once before and then I updated and there was suddenly email there..03:12
crazydeb8rwhoa03:13
crazydeb8rare there any filters set?03:13
karstenangelharp: commands:  dpkg, apt-get, aptitude, apt-cache, auto-apt...03:13
billytwowillynot that I am aware of...03:13
bestadvocateI wonder why my update removed gnome-games package03:13
billytwowillyI only set filters to filter [elug]  to a mailing list folder..03:13
crazydeb8rok03:13
billytwowillyheh.. I got it figured.03:14
billytwowillyupdated again and now it is fine..03:14
billytwowillystrangeness.03:14
crazydeb8rodd03:14
karstenangelharp: APT HOWTO:  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html03:14
crazydeb8rHey anyone know why XMMS is cutting my .m4a files about 2 seconds short>03:14
goldfishcrazydeb8r: try #xmms maybe?/03:15
karstenangelharp: ...and Osamu Aoki's _Debian Referenc_ is also good:  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html03:15
goldfish-/03:15
crazydeb8rIt's really odd and kind of disconcerting03:15
crazydeb8rmm, k thx goldfish03:15
karstencrazydeb8r: Same reason it was doing that two minutes ago last time you asked.03:15
angelharpthanks03:15
crazydeb8rhaha karsten: no, it magically changed why.03:15
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karstencrazydeb8r: Do you have transitions selected?  Disable them.03:15
angelharpI'm having problems with my Red Hat distro. I got an install and Live CD of Ubuntu at a Linux Users' Group.03:16
crazydeb8rkarsten: is that in preferences?03:16
angelharpI use Linux mainly for testing web pages.03:16
karstencrazydeb8r: Yeah.03:17
karstencrazydeb8r: crossfade plugin.03:17
crazydeb8rkarsten: I don't have that03:17
angelharpjust checked 'warty' packages for ubuntu. No mysql. You were right bestadvocate.03:17
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angelharpchecking hoary03:18
karstencrazydeb8r: OK, scratch that.03:18
Lathiatangelharp: you probably need to enable the universe repository if you want mysql03:18
karstencrazydeb8r: Try this:  'mv .xmms .xmms-bak; xmms'03:18
karstencrazydeb8r: ...with xmms closed.03:18
crazydeb8rok03:18
bestadvocateangelharp: if you put in universe packages from online, then you can get the rest of the LAMP03:18
karstencrazydeb8r: ...then try playing files.  If it doesnt chop, you've got a config option to find.  If it does, you've got a problem of a different fish.03:19
bestadvocateanyone ever play vegastrike?03:19
crazydeb8rkarsten: still cutting off, but I did get an error.03:20
karstenbestadvocate: No.  I prefer vegasunicycle03:20
crazydeb8rlibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:20
karstencrazydeb8r: OK.03:20
bestadvocatekarsten: i don't get it :(03:20
veristeadok... is there a place where i can get LimeWire that ain't limewire.com for Ubuntu?03:20
karstenbestadvocate: vegas-trike... == vegas-tricycle.03:21
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karstenbestadvocate: Wait, you're already in #ubuntu03:21
angelharpbestadvocate: does the debian distro have mysql on the installation CD?03:21
karstencrazydeb8r: dpkg -l libmikmod203:21
karstencrazydeb8r: ...you got that installed?03:21
angelharpand the rest of LAMP for that matter...03:21
goldfishveristead: google03:21
crazydeb8rchecking03:21
goldfishveristead: http://www.addict3d.org/index.php?page=downloadfile&ID=275803:21
karstencrazydeb8r: ...if not:  aptitude install libmikmod203:22
bestadvocateangelharp: the debian distro has 8 cds, which have _everything_03:22
CarlKkarsten - are we related? http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~CarlKarsten03:22
crazydeb8rkarsten: ok.03:22
karstenCarlK: Depends.  Do you trace your ancestry on-planet or off?03:22
CarlKlol03:22
karstenCarlK: ...Karsten's my first name.03:22
veristeadseemingly the file on limewire.com is in rpm format and i extract it, but in the installation files it says i need to cd to the directory i downloaded the installer, but i cnt find the installer. and then i need to go to console and type sh ./LimeWireLinux.bin03:22
EugeneKI'd like to swap the capslock and control key bindings for vi. How can I a) do that,  b) do it so that it would work both in the console and in gvim, and c) do it in such a way that I could quicky rebind the keys if I was working on someone else's machine?03:22
bestadvocateim off to play my new videogames!03:22
CarlKI have been hoping that they would come find me...03:22
veristeadbut it doesn't exist03:22
karstenCarlK: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/03:23
karstenEugeneK: *just* in VI, or for all X?03:23
angelharpveristead: try ./LimeWire.sh03:23
angelharpI mean sh ./LimeWire.sh03:23
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Brunellusfeck.  is there an ndiswrapper-utils 1.0?03:23
karstenEugeneK: Simplest hack:  there's a ctrlcaps option in your X config.03:24
karstenEugeneK: Otherwise, you might create an .xmodmap file and source it in your .xsession03:24
goldfishveristead: it should be in the $HOME dir of the user you downloaded it with03:24
Devincidid you chmod +x Limewireblahbal first?03:24
EugeneKkarsten: just vi would be fine, although I'd prefer it to be system-wide (not just X).03:24
crazydeb8rkarsten: something's got dpkg running or something, I'll log out and back in and try that. Thanks03:24
CarlKkarsten - too cool - I grew up in San Jose, had a client in Nappa03:24
Brunellusnvm.  got it03:24
karstenEugeneK: OK.  For systemwide, you'll also want a loadkeys hack.03:24
karstenEugeneK: Try:  http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/xmodmap03:25
karstenEugeneK: ...and http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/kmself.kmap.gz03:26
karstenEugeneK: ...first is for X, latter for console.03:26
karstenCarlK: Napa's very wet and grey right now.03:26
EugeneKkarsten: thanx.03:26
CarlKkarsten - Ever hear of Alkar Personnel?03:27
karstenEugeneK: I'm a *damnit* the capslock key should be my ctrl key kinda guy.03:27
karstenCarlK: On California?03:27
CarlKkarsten - in Nappa03:27
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karstenCarlK: I'm thinking of a place on California St.03:28
jack__hi03:28
jack__can u guys tell me03:28
jack__how do i "rip" a floppy in linux?03:28
karstenCarlK: ...though I'm finding them on Claremont Way.  How do you know 'em?03:28
karstenjack__: copy files onto one, or disk image?03:28
jack__i want the whole disk image03:29
CarlKyep - they used my FoxPro Dos payroll app for a while03:29
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jack__cuz it's a boot floppy03:29
jack__how do i do that?03:29
EugeneKkarsten: I'm assuming I'll need to install loadkeys and xmodmap? Is there a way to configure the keybindings on just vi, in case I'm on someone else's box?03:29
veristeadgoldfish indeed it is, but that is the compressed file. and i uncompressed it but there is no file called limewirelinux.bin03:29
veristeadthere is limewire.sh but that doesn't work03:29
karstenEugeneK: Probably.  I run Debian mostly.03:29
pvhMy gEdit is suddenly very laggy. I haven't noticed problems in any other programs. What could cause that?03:29
karstenjack__: to put the image _on_ the disk:  dd if=<image file> of=/dev/fd003:29
jack__thx03:30
jack__i'll try03:30
karstenpvh: Adolesence03:30
jack__for <image file>03:30
jack__u replace it with ur own location rite?03:30
pvhkarsten: I don't get it.03:30
karstenjack__: That's, say, "floppy.img".03:30
jack__like /home/jack/1.img?03:30
jack__ok03:30
karstenjack__: Yes.03:30
jack__ok03:30
jack__thx03:30
CarlKkarsten - was hoping you could tell Liz that i said "hi" - but it doesn't sound like you see her much ;)03:31
pvhgEdit is even laggy with a nice of -15.03:31
karstenCarlK: Well, depends.  They got positions open?03:31
karstenCarlK: ...I've got a bit of time on my hands.03:31
CarlKkarsten - they are a temp co - they always do ;)03:31
pvhI get about a 500ms lag when I insert a newline, among other things.03:31
crazydeb8rkarsten: I got the libmikmod, and configured it...nothing changed.03:31
karstenCarlK: Da.  Should I walk in and drop your name?03:31
Xirdnehhi there, i try to add Gmplayer to my panel, the only thing is that I have my media in a fat32 partition and because in the panel the gmplayer is not run like root so it wont let me see the fat32 partition... i have set up the options for the partition as rw,users... how can i see this partition without being logged as root?03:32
jack__bash: /home/jack/boot.img: No such file or directory03:32
jack__do i have to create the image file or something?03:32
karstencrazydeb8r: Still getting the error message?03:32
crazydeb8rkarsten: no03:32
karstencrazydeb8r: Well, you solved _one_ problem.  Just not the right one.03:33
jason^what package would supply the 'mcopy' command?  it's required for syslinux03:33
crazydeb8rkarsten: could it be because it's a VBR file? iTunes used to do this because of that03:33
karstenXirdneh: For your vfat partition, something like this in /etc/fstab:  /dev/sda    /mnt/floppy vfat  user,gid=floppy,umask=0007          0    003:34
crazydeb8ritunes only did it to mp3's...but it's the same idea.03:34
jason^oh ok i see nevermind03:34
karstenXirdneh: ...create group 'floppy' if it doesn't exist.  Add yourself to it.03:34
CarlKkarsten - it has been a while.. let me see when I billed them last03:34
dazed_anyone running fluxbox?03:34
karstenCarlK: NFC.03:34
karstenCarlK: NM.03:34
karstencrazydeb8r: NFC.03:34
Devincidazed: had it for a while03:34
crazydeb8ralright03:35
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dazed_Devinci: im used to black box 4 windows...why i got started on linux...anyway i was wondering how i edit the menu config file and the style config files for fluxbox...also wondering what these "tabs" are for03:35
Xirdnehkarsten: the partition has been already mounted.. and the options are rw,users is not floppy is a partition in my HD, does the only thing im missing is the umask=0007?03:35
karstenCarlK: I don't see any 'l337 l1nu>< adm1nZ' position listings....03:35
karstenXirdneh: 'gid=floppy' says "mount with group ownership == floppy".  You want to be part of that group.  That group has read access.03:35
karstenXirdneh: you'll need to umount the partition, modify fstab, and remount.03:36
Devincidazed, check one onf my theme is hosted on http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots-dev/DarkSamurai_fluxbox.jpg03:36
Xirdnehkarsten, ok ill give it a try thnx03:36
DevinciDarksamurai was my old nick03:36
karstenXirdneh: 'sda' should be modified to whatever the partition si.03:36
karstenXirdneh: s/si/is/03:36
Xirdnehkarsten, ok thnx :D03:37
dazed_Devinci: how do i edit the menu config file?03:37
dazed_wheres it located03:37
karstenCarlK: Hrm.  For some reason, Alkar's homepage links to the S:\ drive aren't working:  http://www.1alkar.com/njobs.htm03:37
Devinciare you running it atm?03:37
dazed_yes03:38
dazed_id also like to know where to get those tight plugins03:38
Devincigive me your ls -a03:38
Devinciin you homedir03:38
dazed_Devinci: your going to have to excuse me im just installed my first hardcopy of linux03:38
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dazed_lil more english lol03:38
goldfishdazed_: type 'ls -a' in a terminal03:38
goldfishwell03:39
goldfishthe directory he wants it from03:39
dazed_ok03:39
dazed_i tyepd it03:39
nathan_hello all, anyone offer any suggestions for getting a sound card to work?03:39
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Devinciits been a year since im not using flubox so i will recall the file from it03:39
AMCDeathKnightHey guys03:39
goldfishemm03:39
Devincilist me all files that starts with a dot03:39
nathan_Web links or anything to get me going>..03:39
AMCDeathKnightwhen itry and install Ubuntu, my monitors switches off03:39
AMCDeathKnightand dosnt respond03:39
goldfishnathan_: try the links in the topic?03:39
karstenAMCDeathKnight: <ctrl><alt><f1>  Help any?03:40
goldfishnathan_: ubuntu forums maybe, search teh sound card type03:40
AMCDeathKnighti cant see, the monitor is off03:40
AMCDeathKnightso dunno03:40
dazed_.evolution .fluxbox .gaim                   .metacity                      .xmms03:40
dazed_.gconf                  .mozilla03:40
dazed_thres a hell of a lot03:40
karstenAMCDeathKnight: Well, sometimes it switches back on.03:40
karstenAMCDeathKnight: ...so I'll take it:  no diff.03:40
nathan_Goldfish, OK. Thanks....03:40
dazed_.                       .gnome                         .nautilus03:40
dazed_..                      .gnome2                        .openoffice03:40
dazed_.bash_history           .gnome2_private                .qt03:40
dazed_.bash_profile           .gstreamer-0.8                 .recently-used03:40
dazed_.bashrc                 GTK2-Mist-Deep_Plastik.tar.gz  Software03:40
dazed_.blackboxrc             GTK2-Smooth-Lime.tar.gz        .sversionrc03:40
dazed_.DCOPserver_Initial__0  .gtk-gnutella                  themes03:40
goldfishoh03:40
dazed_.DCOPserver_Initial_:0  .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2              .themes03:40
dazed_Desktop                 .ICEauthority                  .thumbnails03:40
dazed_.dmrc                   .icons                         .Trash03:40
dazed_Documents               .kde                           vidz03:40
goldfishnathan_: np03:40
dazed_.esd_auth               .kderc                         X11R6.8.2-src.tar.gz03:40
AMCDeathKnightit worked03:40
dazed_.evolution              .mcop                          .Xauthority03:40
AMCDeathKnighthow?03:40
dazed_.fluxbox                .mcoprc                        .xchat203:40
karstenAMCDeathKnight:  does your monitor have onscreen controls?  Can you see anything with them?03:41
dazed_.gaim                   .metacity                      .xmms03:41
dazed_.gconf                  .mozilla                       .xscreensaver03:41
Devinciok ok03:41
dazed_.gconfd                 musix                          .xsess03:41
dazed_thats everything lol03:41
Devincilol03:41
goldfishhah03:41
AMCDeathKnightwhat was wrong, it worked03:41
Devinciedit .flubox03:41
AMCDeathKnight:-)03:41
dazed_how do i edit?03:41
karstenDamn this channel needs a kickbot.03:41
karstendazed_: With an editor.03:41
Devincivi .fluox03:41
goldfishah relax karsten  :)03:41
karstengoldfish: I *am* relaxed!!!!03:41
goldfishtry nano .fluox03:41
AMCDeathKnightThanks guys03:41
AMCDeathKnightAll hail Ubuntu03:41
goldfishDevinci: don't think vim is a good idea for a n00b :)03:41
goldfishkarsten: lol03:41
karstengoldfish: ;-)03:42
dazed_goldfish: im in the nano thing03:42
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dazed_read file?03:42
farruinndazed_: I think it's supposed to be .fluxbox03:42
Devincisorry cd .flubox03:42
dazed_ok03:42
Devincinano -w menu03:43
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karstengoldfish: BTW, I think I may have drunk a few of your relatives in college....03:43
goldfishkarsten: hahaha03:43
dazed_Devinci: so type 'cd .fluxbox' then 'nano -w menu'03:43
Devinciyes03:43
BrunellusI'm in dependency hell03:44
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Devincifrom there you can edit your menu03:44
dazed_THANK YOU!03:44
Devincilok at the other apps in there youll get the hang03:44
BrunellusI compiled ndiswrapper_1.0 from the tgz's on the ndiswrapper site03:44
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dazed_im in nano03:44
dazed_but i cant edit03:44
dazed_doesnt move03:44
BrunellusI then updated the kernel03:44
dazed_got it nm03:45
AMCDeathKnightguys03:45
Devincihehe03:45
Brunellusand now I have to recompile ndiswrapper03:45
AMCDeathKnightim in command prompt, how do i get to gui?03:45
Devinciyou can also get rounded corners for your windows03:45
Brunellusand it...won't...compile.03:45
Quest-MasterIs Hoary relatively stable today?03:45
_tester_startx03:45
Tarkushow do i install software on  linux??03:45
AMCDeathKnightthanks03:45
Tarkus(n00b question)03:45
farruinn||QuaD|: how is it?03:45
goldfishTarkus: apt-get03:45
_tester_apt03:45
BrunellusI've tried doing the stuff on here:  http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/InstallDebian03:45
goldfishTarkus: or build from source03:45
Brunellusbut it is not working03:45
casimirTarkus: apt or synaptic03:45
AMCDeathKnightnot working03:46
AMCDeathKnightstartx dodsnt work03:46
AMCDeathKnightit comes up with error03:46
BrunellusI built ndiswrapper from source03:46
Tarkushow do i use synaptic and apt-get??03:46
goldfishAMCDeathKnight: Have you got an nvidia card?03:46
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goldfishTarkus: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/03:46
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CarlKkarsten  - 2000 was  the last year I billed them, but I can say that Liz is a nice person, and telling her I said so couldn't hurt03:46
goldfishTarkus: have a read there03:46
||QuaD|farruinn: crashed twice already03:46
Tarkusgoldfish: thnx03:46
jsgotangcohello03:46
farruinn||QuaD|: oi, not what I wanted to hear lol03:46
AMCDeathKnightno not nvidia03:47
goldfishk03:47
karstenCarlK: Cool.  That's a few years ago though.03:47
AMCDeathKnightIst a PCI video card03:47
jsgotangco*sigh* I have ATI hehehe03:47
||QuaD|farruinn: whenever i try to click on OOo2's version of the MSOffice paperclip it crashes (for writer atleast)03:47
CarlKkarsten - yeah - but I worked "with" them for about 1003:47
Brunellushow do I recompile ndiswrapper from source after a kernel upgrade?03:47
karstenCarlK: OK.03:47
BrunellusWITHOUT using apt03:47
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CarlKkarsten - dinner time... good luck with job things03:48
AMCDeathKnightPlease help03:48
karstenCarlK: Thanks.03:48
AMCDeathKnightit comes up server error and stuff like that03:48
AMCDeathKnighthelpful?03:48
Devincidazed_ , get rounded corners by adding this to your style file of your theme : menu.roundCorners: TopLeft Topright BottomLeft BottomRight03:49
Devinciwindow.roundCorners: TopLeft Topright BottomLeft BottomRight03:49
DevinciToolbar.shaped: True03:49
dazed_are the style themes located in .fluxbox?03:49
||QuaD|farruinn: and he pops up soo often, i wanna keep clicking!03:50
Devinciprobably03:50
dazed_and once im done editing menu ... how do i save?03:50
Devincimaybe under .theme03:50
AMCDeathKnight"Invalid MIT-Cookie key03:50
AMCDeathKnightor something like that03:50
yonkeltronupgrading to hoary....brb03:50
AMCDeathKnightstart wont work03:50
AMCDeathKnight*xstart03:50
casimircontrol-O if you're in nano03:50
AMCDeathKnightim in terminal03:50
Quest-MasterSo..03:50
AMCDeathKnightsighned in as admin user03:51
Quest-MasterIs Hoary relatively stable today? :P03:51
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casimirQuest-Master, I'm using it, but my hardware isn't that quirky03:51
dazed_to use your own menu, copy this to ~/.fluxbox/menu, then edit03:51
dazed_# ~/.fluxbox/init and change the session.menuFile path to ~/.fluxbox/menu03:51
dazed_whats that mean?03:51
dazed_how do i copy?03:51
BrunellusOK.  I'm giving up03:51
Quest-MasterHave you updated to today's Hoary casimir?03:52
Quest-MasterBrunellus: What do you need help with?03:52
Tarkuswhat does sudo mean??03:52
Quest-MasterDon't ever give up so easily03:52
net_benjodid anybody have a problem installing mplayer-386 package?03:52
Quest-MasterTarkus: switch user do03:52
Devincijust edit menu, dont bother03:52
goldfishTarkus: It is a command to give you temporary root priveleges.03:52
BrunellusQuest-Master:03:52
Quest-MasterUsually meaning, you switch to the superuser03:52
BrunellusI've been trying to do this for *hours*03:52
Quest-MasterOr administrator account03:52
BrunellusI built ndiswrapper 1.0 from source03:52
AMCDeathKnightwhat doi do03:52
Quest-Masternet_benjo: Don't install mplayer from apt-get03:52
Quest-MasterIt is broken03:52
Quest-MasterCompile it03:52
Quest-MasterBrunellus: Yeah03:52
BrunellusI then did an apt-get upgrade03:53
casimirQuest-Master: I just did UM's version of apt-get upgrade a few hours abg03:53
Brunellusand an apt-get dist-upgrade03:53
Brunellusthat presumably patched my kernel03:53
AMCDeathKnightxstart wont work, what else can i try to get into xsystem?03:53
Quest-MasterAnd it's stable.. that's good.03:53
AMCDeathKnighthavnt got nvidia card03:53
Brunellusthen powered down03:53
Quest-MasterBrunellus: Ok.. so the ndiswrapper isn't working I presume?03:53
Brunellusthen I booted up03:53
Brunelluscorrect03:53
Brunellusnow03:53
Brunellushere's the kicker03:53
net_benjoQuest-Master:  when I first installed ubuntu (about 1 month ago) I had no problem installing it using apt-get...its only on my second ubuntu install that I'm having trouble.....did something change in the meantime???03:53
Brunellusthe wlan is the ONLY connectivity I have in that computer03:54
Quest-Masternet_benjo: Yes03:54
Brunellusso I can't apt my way out of this fix03:54
Quest-Master:\03:54
AMCDeathKnightxstart wont work, what else can i try to get into xsystem?03:54
BrunellusI have been trying to recompile ndiswrapper03:54
crazydeb8rIf I have source for something and want to make a .deb out of it, how do I do that?03:54
Quest-MasterAnd it still isn't working?03:54
Quest-Mastercrazydeb8r: check-install I believe03:54
Brunellusfirst from the same source I compiled it from to begin with.  no dice "invalide module type"03:54
AMCDeathKnightNo its not working03:54
net_benjoQuest-Master:  thank you very much....i appreciate the tip..03:54
Brunellusthen trying to use various debs which I pulled from the web03:55
dazed_Devinci:  to use your own menu, copy this to ~/.fluxbox/menu, then edit03:55
dazed_# ~/.fluxbox/init and change the session.menuFile path to ~/.fluxbox/menu03:55
dazed_how do i do this03:55
Quest-MasterActually, crazydeb8r: Just use checkinstall03:55
dazed_i edited .init03:55
Quest-MasterNo hyphen03:55
Brunelluswhich either turned out to be out of date (0.12, rather than 1.0)03:55
Brunellusor plain unhelpful03:55
Quest-MasterAck. That sucks. :\03:55
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Quest-MasterAre you on Warty?03:55
Quest-MasterOr Hoary?03:55
crazydeb8rQuest-Master: It's not working...03:55
Brunelluswarty03:55
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Quest-MasterThat's weird. :\03:55
Brunellusthe only solution I see now is to roll back03:55
Brunellusand I don't know how to do that03:55
Quest-Mastercrazydeb8r: sudo checkinstall03:55
AMCDeathKnightxstart wont work, what else can i try to get into xsystem?03:56
crazydeb8rQuest-Master: no...03:56
dazed_gold fish03:56
BrunellusI'm about five minutes away from backing up whatever meagre data I can and reinstalling completely03:56
Brunellusugh!03:56
dazed_goldfish:  to use your own menu, copy this to ~/.fluxbox/menu, then edit03:56
dazed_# ~/.fluxbox/init and change the session.menuFile path to ~/.fluxbox/menu would you know how i would do this?03:56
goldfishAMCDeathKnight: You need a dpkg reconfigure03:56
Quest-Mastercrazydeb8r: And this is a configure;make;make install program?03:56
goldfishcant remember the command03:56
goldfish:/03:56
dazed_damn03:56
Brunelluswhat puzzles the living bejeezus out of me is why ndiswrapper isn't in the install CD03:56
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crazydeb8rQuest-Master: Yes. And I didn't have checkinstall on my system, but I do now :-P03:57
Devincidazed_ did you try editing menu^03:57
crazydeb8rthanks03:57
Quest-MasterThey tried to keep it to one CD, so I bet that's why03:57
dazed_this is what im currently doing devinci03:57
AMCDeathKnighthow do i do that Gold?03:57
Quest-Mastercrazydeb8r: And it still isn't working?03:57
njanBrunellus, it's difficult for the average user to use03:57
crazydeb8rQuest-Master: waiting on synaptic03:57
Quest-Master;)03:57
BrunellusQuest-Master:  they could have eliminated rhythmbox and put something useful on03:57
dazed_it told me to copy my menu file to some place or other here is what it says03:57
njanBrunellus, there are probably very few people who could set it up off the install CD03:57
Quest-MasterRhythmbox isn't useful? :P03:57
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DevinciJust change a letter or so, that way you know you are on the right track dazed_03:57
tritiumI likve rhythmbox03:57
njanBrunellus, esp. since they obviously can't bundle the windows drivers for NDIS cards on the CD.03:57
tritiumlike03:57
Brunellusout of the box, the multimedia is crippled, and I needed apt to get the appropriate codecs, etc03:57
AMCDeathKnightgtg, please pm me with how to fix my error03:57
Quest-MasterI like Rhythmbox a lot too03:58
dazed_devinci: to use your own menu, copy this to ~/.fluxbox/menu, then edit03:58
dazed_# ~/.fluxbox/init and change the session.menuFile path to ~/.fluxbox/menu03:58
AMCDeathKnightxstart wont work, what else can i try to get into xsystem?03:58
Brunellusno, they can't bundle ndis drivers03:58
dazed_whats that mean?03:58
Brunellusbut they can bundle ndiswrapper!03:58
Quest-MasterAMCDeathKnight: Tried "gdm?"03:58
njanBrunellus, <njan> Brunellus, there are probably very few people who could set it up off the install CD03:58
BrunellusI had the ndisdrivers already.  I foresaw the need to use ndiswrapper, so I also backed up a tar of the most recent source03:58
AMCDeathKnightgmd not found03:58
AMCDeathKnightpm me with ideas03:58
Quest-Mastergdm03:58
AMCDeathKnightreally need it fixed03:58
Quest-Masternot gmd03:58
Quest-Master:P03:58
Devincithen edit init and change session.etc to you menu location dazed_03:58
Brunellusnow, because I built it from source03:59
Devinciwhixh should be .fluxbox/menu03:59
tritiumAMCDeathKnight, look at the errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log to try to narrow down the problem03:59
BrunellusI have a non-functioning 'net (dis)connection03:59
njanBrunellus, I doubt the extra space is worth it, tbh, I very much doubt that it'd be used in 99% of instances where people had cards it'd work with.03:59
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Brunellusnjan:  100-odd kb isn't worth it?03:59
Brunellusndiswrapper is *miniscule* compared with some of the crippled or generally useless stuff that goes on03:59
njanBrunellus, I haven't checked how big it is, but I'm guessing 100kb counts on an ubuntu CD which has to represent the entire FOSS world :)04:00
Brunelluswe can do without one gnome game to get ndiswrapper on an install cd.04:00
tritiumAMCDeathKnight, it would be /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you're using Hoary04:00
dazed_Devinci: where is it i saved it to how do i know?04:00
njanBrunellus, besides, I'd hazard it's more than that when you account for having the .deb file in order to install it, too.04:00
njanBrunellus, besides, like I pointed out, if no-one can set it up, it's useless.04:00
Brunellusnjan:  it's doing a lousy job of representing to me, now when I can't connect to the internet after doing the right hting and patching my kernel04:00
Devinci~/.fluxbox/menu04:01
Brunellussorry if I sound irritable04:01
Devincior /home/dazed/.fluxbox/menu04:01
Devinci~/ means your home dir04:02
BrunellusI jumped to f/oss because I was trying to get the most out of the hardware I had04:02
dazed_ok04:02
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Brunellusnow, because I tried to update, I can no longer connect, and I've exhausted every way I know how to fix it04:02
Brunellusso I'm tempted to give up and format and start *all* over again.  except that thsi time, I'll have to remember never to patch04:02
tritiumAMCDeathKnight, did you take a look?04:03
casimirhave you tried rolling back with /var/cache/apt/archives04:03
casimirto get connectivity?04:03
Brunellusno, because nobody's told me how to do that04:03
BrunellusI'm listening now.04:03
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casimirI've only done it once04:04
Brunelluscasimir:  that is infinitely more times than I04:04
casimirbecause I had a similar problem with my nvidia card and couldn't figure out how to roll back with apt04:04
Brunellusi'm listening04:05
Xirdnehhi there, anyone know how to add a command to the panel but with parameters, ex: giftd -d... i tryed but i cant give it parameters :s04:05
casimirin the directory /var/cache/apt/archives most old .deb files are kept locally04:05
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Brunellusok.04:06
Brunellushow do I roll back?04:06
dazedgoldfish: lol...now i have no menu04:06
goldfishahahaha04:06
goldfishwell04:07
dazedwhen i loaded it it gave me a basic menu with xterm restart and exit04:07
dazedbut i went back into my menu and it was still how i wanted it04:07
dazedand init was still how it should be04:07
dazedso im confused04:07
tritiumBrunellus, what are you trying to roll back?04:07
goldfishhmmmmm04:07
Brunelluskernel?04:07
goldfishI don't know fluxbox :/04:07
BrunellusI don't know.  ti's the only thing that I can think of that would break ndiswrapper04:07
goldfishmaybe there is an error in the code you put in04:07
dazedmaybe htats could be what it is04:08
casimirdpkg -i <older kernel> ??04:08
Devincidazed_, the system monitors I had on my screenshot is gkrellm, you can get it with this command:  sudo apt-get install gkrellm04:08
tritiumBrunellus, what kernels are in your grub menu now?  They're not removed on upgrades.04:08
Brunellustritium:  I don't know.  I'd have to go upstairs and find out04:09
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casimircan you wait three minutes... gnome is telling me to take a break04:09
Brunellus(affected computer is up two fights of stiars)04:09
tritiumBrunellus, have you tried simply booting into a different kernel from the grub menu?04:09
tritiumBrunellus, what broke?04:09
Brunellusndiswrapper won't load04:09
dazedDevinci: was that all the little plugins on the right?04:09
Brunellus"invalid module type"04:09
tritiumBrunellus, that's in linux-restricted-modules?04:10
Devinciyes04:10
Brunellusno, tritium, I built it from the source tarball on the ndiswrapper site04:10
tritiumBrunellus, why?04:10
Brunelluswithout ndiswrapper, I have no connectivity04:10
Devinciso i get that you are now able to edit you menu dazed_ ?04:10
BrunellusI couldn't apt-get it04:10
tritiumBrunellus, there are ubuntu packages04:10
Brunellustritium: I couldn't *get* ubuntu packages04:10
BrunellusI had no connectivity04:10
BrunellusI'm sitting at another computer now04:11
Brunellusthe affected computer can only connect via the ndis wlan card that's in it04:11
Brunelluswhen I installed warty, I knew this04:11
Brunellusand so I backed-up an ndiswrapper tarball, and the necessary ndis drivers04:11
dazedDevinci: well i know how to edit the menu from bb4win...but im going to restart fluxbox cuz when i first edited the menu...it came up with nothing in the menu sept a basic "restart..exit...xterm"04:11
BrunellusI built ndiswrapper-1.0, installed the ndis drivers, and all was well04:11
Brunellusthen apt-get upgrade04:12
Devincihehe that means you added something wrong04:12
tritiumWhat was upgraded?04:12
Brunellusused it happily for 1 day an dseveral hours (yay "uptime"04:12
Brunellustritium:  ummmm...everything?04:12
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Brunellus90-some packages04:12
dazed*n00b afraid to ask* ndiswrapper is for Windows drivers for devices on linux?04:12
BrunellusI think, when it was all done04:12
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Brunellusdazed:  ndiswrapper allows the use of some formerly windows-only wlan cards on linux by allowing the use of their binary device drivers04:13
Brunellusoh well, he'll google it04:13
Brunellusanyway.  I had to power that computer down sometime today04:13
tritiumBrunellus, can you use the computer you're using now to download the ndiswrapper .debs from ubuntu, and transfer them via zip disk or CD-R?04:13
Brunellusoh, those.  as in ndiswrapper-source?04:14
Brunellustritium, I did all that, and still no joy04:14
Brunellusdownloaded ndiswrapper-source.deb04:14
Brunellusthen dpkg -i it04:14
tritiumBrunellus, then did you build it?04:14
Brunellusfound out I needed ndiswrapper-utils1.004:14
Brunellusyes, I built it04:14
Devinciso dazed_, you made the big step from windows to linux?04:14
Brunellusand here's the trouble04:14
tritiumAnd linux-headers, perhaps?04:14
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Brunellustritium:  I already had linux-headers04:15
Devinciso dazed_, you made the big step from windows to linux?04:15
tritiumgoo04:15
tritiumgood04:15
Brunellusthat's what changed on the machine04:15
dazedDevinci: yes and i love it evne though its 100000 times more work04:15
Brunellusbut then it started giving dependency bulls***04:15
Devincihehe, rewarding work ;)04:15
Devincigood for you04:15
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dazedand Devinci i got that thing you told me (the plugin thing) how do i work it..should it just show up?04:15
BrunellusI rechecked versions:  found the right ones04:15
dazedand my menu is still broken04:16
Brunellusand still, ndiswrapper won't work04:16
dazedi think i fuxed something up in init04:16
BrunellusI can build the ndiswrapper-modules deb04:16
Devinciok just type gkrellm in a console and see if it showa up04:16
Brunellusbut when I dpkg it, it wont' go.  "conflicting modules"04:16
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BrunellusI jumped to ubuntu to escape this kind of crap.  rpms did this to me04:17
tritiumBrunellus, apt handles dependencies.  Not dpkg by itself04:17
dazedit showed up04:17
dazedbut how do i keep it without having to type it in term everytime04:17
Brunellusyes, tritium, but my apt is crippled04:17
lunitikBrunellus: bad reason to switch to .deb... dpkg is no different to rpm on its own...04:17
Devincinow you can edit it04:17
calcBrunellus: typically you don't use dpkg, you use a package manager: synaptic, dselect, aptitude, apt-get (gag), etc04:17
Brunellusit can't access any repositories04:17
Brunellusbecause it has no connectivity04:17
Devincii added it in my menu04:17
Brunellusbecause *ndiswrapper won't work*!04:18
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Devinciill pm you a menu exemple, follow that syntax04:18
calclunitik: deb has other things going for it than just the package manager, though the formats both have equally annoying "features"04:18
Devinci     # Fluxbox menu file04:18
Devinci     [begin]  (Fluxbox)04:18
Devinci       [exec]  (rxvt) {rxvt -ls} </usr/X11R6/share/icons/terminal.xpm>04:18
Devinci       [exec]  (netscape) {netscape -install}04:18
Devinci       [exec]  (The GIMP) {gimp}04:18
Devinci       [exec]  (XV) {xv}04:18
Brunellusflood.  yay.04:18
Devinci       [exec]  (Vim) {rxvt -geometry 132x60 -name VIM -e screen vim}04:18
Devinci       [exec]  (Mutt) {rxvt -name mutt -e mutt}04:18
Devinci       [submenu]  (mozilla)04:18
Devinci         [exec]  (browser) {mozilla -browser}04:18
Devinci         [exec]  (news) {mozilla -news}04:18
tritiumDevinci, stop it04:18
Devinci         [exec]  (mail) {mozilla -mail}04:18
Devinci         [exec]  (edit) {mozilla -edit}04:18
Devinci         [exec]  (compose) {mozilla -compose}04:18
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Devinci       [end] 04:18
LinuxJonesDeviant__, you suck04:18
Devinci       [submenu]  (Window Manager)04:18
Devinci         [exec]  (Edit Menus) {nedit ~/.fluxbox/menu}04:19
Devinci         [submenu]  (Style) {Which Style?}04:19
Devinci           [stylesdir]  (~/.fluxbox/styles)04:19
Devinci           [stylesmenu]  (Fluxbox Styles) {@pkgdatadir@/styles}04:19
Brunellusdevinci:  flood04:19
Devinci         [end] 04:19
Devinci         [config]  (Config Options)04:19
calcDevinci: you er forgot to do the pm part ;)04:19
Devinci         [reconfig]  (Reconfigure)04:19
tritiumDevinci, cut it out04:19
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Devinci         [restart]  (Restart)04:19
Devinci       [end] 04:19
LinuxJonesDeviant__, sorry Devinci YOU suck04:19
Devinci       [exit]  (Log Out)04:19
lunitikcalc: I was saying in respect to "dependency hell" ... dpkg has nice things like --force-*, but for the most part, they are pretty comparible04:19
Devinci     [end] 04:19
Devincioops sorry04:19
Devincisorry, sorry04:19
Deviant__its ok I suck too04:19
Devincii hit the wron key04:19
LinuxJonesDeviant__, :D04:19
calclunitik: heh yea --force-* is nice to f*ck yourself with04:19
Devinciwrongg*04:19
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Brunelluslunitik:  should I just --force?04:19
Deviant_:P04:19
Devincihah see im too tired04:19
calclunitik: the majority of the people use --force-* to break their systems04:19
lunitikcalc: if you dont know what you are doing... sure  :P04:20
dazed?04:20
calclunitik: ask daniels about it :)04:20
lunitikBrunellus: no04:20
Brunelluswell, it's broken04:20
lunitikcalc: haha   :)04:20
lunitikBrunellus: what exactly is wrong?04:20
calclunitik: not sure if you know the story behind that one, but its very funny :)04:20
Brunelluslunitik:  ndiswrapper won't insert04:20
Brunelluskeeps returning "invalid module type"04:20
Brunellusso I've been trying to recompile it04:20
casimirthe question you have to ask yourself when using -f is "How broken is it?"04:20
lunitikcalc: wasn't that the reasoning behind his boxen being down for a while (and thus fd.o and his blog..) ?04:21
tritiumcasimir, -f is not --force-*04:21
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BrunellusI'm annoyed enough to seriously contemplate backing /home to a CD04:21
Brunellusand reinstalling warty altogether04:21
calclunitik: no, fd.o got cracked, the --force-* issue was wrt some kde packages he once created that shipped a sbin file (not dir)04:21
casimiroops.. I have my flags backwards04:21
Brunellusbut then, I'm in the same fix:  i'd need to build ndiswrapper to get 'net connectivity04:21
casimirlike -u and -U on gentoo04:22
calc--force-* will happily unlink dirs for you to replace them with files ;)04:22
lunitikcalc: ahh... that wouldn't happen to have contributed to him orphaning kde by chance?  :P04:22
Brunellusand now I've learnt that I can't really upgrade anything if I do it.04:22
calclunitik: he didn't orphan it really, we both were maintaining bits of it at the same time04:22
tritiumBrunellus, no, you can.  Just use ubuntu packages instead next time04:22
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Brunellusso I'm back to my original question: is there a way to recompile/rebuild ndiswrapper *without* using *.debs?04:22
calcivan was the last person to publically orphan kde (i think)04:23
calcand that was ~ dec 200104:23
Brunellustritium:  would I jsut dpkg them onto the system, once reinstalled?04:23
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BrunellusI really don't want to have to wipe & reinstall if I dont' have to04:23
lunitikcalc: blah.. not according to dwn  :P04:23
Brunellusbut a non-connected box is worthless.04:24
calclunitik: link?04:24
lunitikcalc: It was a while ago... said you orphaned it... I remember being worried and stuff *nods*04:24
tritiumBrunellus, it's hard to know what state your system is in right now.04:24
lunitikcalc: was when you handed to "Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers" though...04:24
Brunellustritium:  what do you want me to tell you?04:25
calclunitik: yea :) until ~ dec that was just me04:25
Deviant_man setting up wireless is too much work.04:25
calcnow it is being maintained by other people04:25
Brunellusall I know is that I built ndiswrapper from source.  it worked.04:25
BrunellusI updated ubuntu via synaptic.  it worked.04:25
calci'm too busy with my new job to do much with debian currently :\04:25
BrunellusI rebooted.  it didn't work04:25
Deviant_come make mine work too.04:25
BrunellusI keep trying to rebuild ndiswrapper.  it won't work.04:26
lunitikcalc: heh... I read the initial note... was a few other people listed... none did anything?  :(04:26
Deviant_there's an update for ubuntu?04:26
Brunellusapt-get update04:26
Brunellusno04:26
Brunelluswait04:26
Tarkusdo u guys manualy type <nickname>: <message>    or is there something to shortcut <nickname>??04:26
tritiumDeviant_, what do you mean?04:26
Brunellusapt-get upgrade04:26
Brunellusand apt-get dist-upgrade04:26
goldfishTarkus: first letter + tab04:26
calclunitik: i don't recall, there were people that helped at times, but not consistently like since dec :)04:26
tritiumBrunellus, dist-upgrade can be dangerous04:26
goldfishTarkus: type g, then press tab04:26
tritiumbut mostly for unstable04:26
lunitikcalc: who's helping out now?04:26
Brunellusyeah, so I gather.04:27
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Tarkusgok04:27
Tarkuslol04:27
tritiumBrunellus, it's generally safe on Warty, though04:27
tritiumI'll be right back...04:27
calclunitik: several people i don't recall who all are doing uploads, dato, christoph martin, and a few others i think04:27
Brunellusthis is the 'exception' that has proven the rule04:27
LinuxJonesBrunellus, what kind of card do you have ?04:27
lunitikahh... cool... whats your new job?04:27
BrunellusLinksys WMP11v404:27
lunitikcalc: ^^04:27
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calclunitik: i do proprietary linux dev work at a company in houston04:28
Brunellusknown to work with ndiswrapper, even as far back as v0.704:28
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Brunellus(I know, because I've used it!)04:28
lunitikcalc: awww... you suck  :(04:28
lunitikcalc: :P04:28
calclunitik: may be moving to another company doing debian open source work soon04:28
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calclunitik: hey i tried to get other jobs they won't hire me :\04:28
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Tarkusg?04:28
lunitikcalc: wouldn't happen to start with a C by chance?  ^_^04:28
calclunitik: but i have several potential leads right now :)04:28
Brunellusthe whole experience has taught me one valuable lesson04:28
Brunellusnext time04:28
calclunitik: no, i want to work there too ;)04:28
goldfishTarkus: yes04:29
BrunellusI'm buying NetGear.04:29
goldfishTarkus: type the first letter of the nick you want to type04:29
goldfishTarkus: then press tab04:29
Tarkusi did04:29
FrodoHi . is there any way to do an update without certain files locking synaptic up because they download at 630kps?04:29
Tarkusand it gave me a list of nicknames that start with it04:29
goldfishwhat happened Tarkus ?04:29
CarlKor just hit tab 330 times ;)04:29
goldfishah right04:29
casimirBrunellus, good lesson to learn, I've been using prism2 based cards forever04:29
goldfishuse irssi :)04:29
zenroxCarlK, 332 times04:29
Brunelluscasimir:  now, however, rather too late for me.04:30
Tarkusirssi??04:30
Frodobtw, greetings to all PEACE04:30
net_benjohello...i get the following message during ./configure for Mplayer  :  Error:  X11 support required for gui compilation...04:30
goldfishTarkus: It is a different irc client, i think it is the best one :)04:30
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geppy|awayanyone in here with a GeForce Go 6200?04:30
HrdwrBoBnet_benjo: install the package04:30
net_benjodo i need to install x11 first...04:30
Brunellusone more plea to the developers:  please please please can we have ndiswrapper on the cd?04:31
goldfishI have a Go 555004:31
Brunellusit would be really nice.04:31
Quest-Masternet_benjo: Go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/04:31
net_benjowhich package..x11 ??04:31
Tarkusgoldfish, ok04:31
geppy|awaygoldfish:  How does it work for gaming?04:31
Quest-Masternet_benjo: Go to the HOWTOS/FAQS section04:31
Deviant_anyone try broadcom 1350 wireless yet?04:31
Tarkusgoldfish, ill get it04:31
Brunellusand I wouldn't be forced to do this sort of crap04:31
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goldfishTarkus: u have it already04:31
Quest-MasterThere is an MPlayer thread there, net_benjo04:31
goldfishTarkus: comes with ubuntu04:31
Tarkusreally?04:31
Tarkuswhere is it04:31
Brunellussuse puts ndiswrapper on its CD04:31
net_benjothanks.. QM...04:31
Tarkusim using X-Chat04:31
goldfishgeppy: only tried America's Army04:31
Quest-Masternet_benjo: Use that.. it has everything on how to compile04:31
zenroxnet_benjo,  get the dev backage to x11 and wany thang else that you will need to compile x1104:31
goldfishworked finie04:31
zenroxerr mplayer04:31
goldfishTarkus: type irssi in a terminal04:31
geppygoldfish:  What kind of FPS did you get?04:31
goldfisheh04:31
goldfishDont know :)04:32
Frodoaww finally synaptic let go with an error saying "cant download certain files" and says it will set up without them04:32
geppygoldfish:  heh04:32
geppygoldfish:  Thanks! :-D04:32
goldfishsorry04:32
Tarkusgoldfish, i did04:32
Brunellusok.  will someone link me to the appropriate ubuntu ndiswrapper files04:32
geppygoldfish:  don't be. =)04:32
goldfishTarkus: did it run04:32
Tarkusgoldfish, umm.. it did, but it didnt open a new window04:32
Tarkusgoldfish,  it just runs it in the terminal04:33
goldfishyeah04:33
goldfishit not a gui04:33
goldfish*it's04:33
Tarkusoh04:33
goldfish:)04:33
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goldfishI prefer no gui04:33
Tarkushow do i join server?04:33
goldfishTarkus: /connect servername04:33
goldfishfor example04:34
Tarkusthnx04:34
lunitikTarkus: /newserver04:34
goldfish /connect irc.freenode.net04:34
Devincidazed, did it work?04:34
dazedyessir04:34
Devincigood good04:34
dazednow ...how do i make it so gkrellm loads up with out the term?04:34
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Devinciadd it in your menu, so you can start it whenever you want it04:35
lunitikgoldfish: /newserver isn't even listed here... what client you use?04:35
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lunitikgoldfish: uhh... /connect isn't04:35
goldfishlunitik: irssi04:35
lunitikgoldfish: hmm... /newserver works in irssi too...04:35
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Devinci[exec]  (Gkrellm) {gkrellm}04:35
goldfishlunitik: oh right04:36
Devinciadd that in your menu file04:36
goldfishlunitik: connect has less letters04:36
goldfish:)04:36
lunitikgoldfish: make an alias for it  :/04:36
goldfishheh04:36
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Devincidazed: gotta go, good luck with it, cya around04:37
BrunellusOK.  one last question04:37
Brunellushow do I use apt to act on a package locally04:37
BrunellusI dont' want it to get.  I just want it to install04:37
dazedthanks devinci see ya04:37
HrdwrBoBdpkg -i04:37
Tarkusgoldfish: how do i see the list of users on the right??04:37
net_benjoyeah...i found it QM...its very cool someone wrote that shell script...04:38
TaaDowwe're sorry: your call cannot be completed as dialed, Please check the number and try again04:38
TaaDowlol04:38
goldfishTarkus: you dont :)04:38
goldfishTarkus: Did you join a channel?04:38
Brunelluswell damn04:38
Tarkuslol04:38
Tarkusyea04:39
BrunellusOK.  back up and reinstall.  been nice knowing y'all.04:39
Tarkusim in it.04:39
goldfishTarkus: /n04:39
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goldfishTarkus: shows users in it04:39
goldfishthere is no list on the side04:39
goldfish:/04:39
Brunelluswill someone point me to the right ubuntu packages for ndiswrapper04:39
goldfishI think you might prefer gui clients :)04:39
Brunellusso I dont' ahve to do this again ever fsking week?04:39
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lunitikBrunellus: heh... 'ndiswrapper-source' and 'ndiswrapper-utils'04:41
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Brunellusthe ndiswrapper version contained in those is 0.1204:41
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Brunelluslatest stable ndiswrapper is 1.004:41
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lunitikBrunellus: 0.12+1.0rc2-1 is the version here...04:42
daakui'm trying to compile my own kernel using make-kpkg, along with fglrx-kernel. my kernel compiles fine, but fglrx craps out. btw, i'm using hoary04:42
Brunellusprecisely.  before this mess, I was running ndiswrapper-1.004:43
Brunellusugh.04:43
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lunitikBrunellus: not entirely sure how much of 1.0 rc 2 would be in there...04:43
chillywillylallalala04:43
casimirBrunellus, ndiswrapper-utils I think... but apt-cache search when in doubt04:43
tritiumBrunellus, sorry, I'm going to have to go.04:43
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Brunellusthanks for all, tritium04:43
tritiumSure.  Good luck.04:44
Brunelluscasimir:  I can't apt-cache I have no 'net without ndiswrapper04:44
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skel_homeanyone know how long it'll take ubuntu to get the patched firefox into the repositories?04:44
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lunitikcasimir: apt-cache show ndiswrapper-utils states 'This package contains the userspace tools. You will also need the kernel module package'04:45
Brunellus*sigh*04:45
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BrunellusOK.  one more question04:46
Brunellusif I build ndiswrapper the "right" way04:46
Greg___does anyone know a good troubleshooter page or anything on how to figure out why a wireless connection wouldn't be connecting to the internet?04:46
Brunellusit will show up in synaptic, and will upgrade and recompile every time I upgrade-dist, right?04:46
BrunellusGreg___, : what's your trouble04:46
Brunellusmisery loves company.  I might be able to help you out04:47
Greg___i got ndiswrapper installed infe04:47
Greg___fine04:47
skel_homedoes anyone elses firefox crash randomly? amd64?04:47
Greg___and it says the driver is loaded04:47
Brunellusyou build from source or did you use the ubuntu pakages?04:47
lunitikBrunellus: if you use 'ndiswrapper-source' it will upgrade that package... thus fetch new source regularly...04:47
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Brunelluslunitik:  ok.  then it might be worth jsut wiping and reinstalling.04:47
Greg___but when i try to open a web page it says the name isn't resolved04:47
lunitikBrunellus: there is no binary .deb for ndiswrapper04:47
Brunellusgreg:  ping your AP04:48
dazedanyone here framilliar with menu code for fluxbox?04:48
Greg___i did the "iwlist wlan0 scan" and it say all of the access points04:48
lunitikGreg___: ping 216.239.39.99  <-- google.com, does that work?04:48
Greg___and I put in the information for it to connect properly04:48
Greg___no04:49
Greg___i can't ping anything04:49
Greg___i tried pinging my dns address04:49
BrunellusOK, Greg;  have you set a DNS server?04:49
Greg___and all the packets fail to return04:49
Greg___yea, i looked up the address in windows04:49
Greg___i'm dual booting with XP04:49
lunitikGreg___: thats a little different than 'can't be resolved' then, heh04:49
Greg___well when i try to ssh04:49
BrunellusGreg:  set your AP as the dns server and see what happens04:49
Greg___that's the error04:49
lunitikGreg___: looks like you're in the same boat as Brunellus04:49
Greg___"Temporary failure in name resolve"04:49
lunitikBrunellus: its not a DNS problem04:49
Greg___what's my ap?04:49
Greg___that's the one part i wasn't sure about04:49
lunitikBrunellus: he can't ping google via IP address either04:50
Brunellus192.168.0.1 probably04:50
Greg___access point?04:50
Greg___yea04:50
Brunellus"192 dot 168 dot 0 dot 104:50
Brunellusprobably04:50
Greg___yup04:50
lunitikGreg___: ignore what he is saying about DNS04:50
geppyAnyone with a Sony  VGN-FS500?04:50
Greg___i didn't ry to ping the ip address of google04:50
Greg___i tried to ping www.google.com04:50
Greg___but i also tried to ping 192.168.0.104:50
Greg___and that didn't work either04:50
lunitikGreg___: if 'ping 216.239.39.99' didn't work, its NOT DNS!!!04:50
Brunellusoh, ok04:50
Greg___google doesn't open on a webpage04:50
Greg___ok04:51
BrunellusGreg___: dmesg and see what comes out04:51
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Greg___yea, i was just specifing to brunellus04:51
Greg___in dmesg all the correct ndiswrapper lines are present04:51
Brunellusoh, oK.  then you're not int he same fix as I am.04:51
lunitikBrunellus: ps, did you upgrade kernel since installing ndis wrapper btw?04:51
Greg___says they're all loaded and everything04:51
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Brunelluslunitik:  yes.  I've been working out how to recompile ndiswrapper since the kernel upgrade04:52
Brunellusthe make; make install that I used to begin with didn't work04:52
Brunellusso I started looking for other ways04:52
Brunellustried the deb packages, but they put me in all sorts of dependency amusement04:52
lunitikBrunellus: ahh... you get ndiswrapper for a specific kernel?04:52
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Brunellush'mmmm. I don't think so04:53
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lunitikBrunellus: as a temp solution... could just boot the old kernel?04:53
lunitikBrunellus: see if it still works...04:53
Brunelluslunitik:  how would I do that?04:53
lunitikBrunellus: during boot... it states "Press ESC to enter bootloader menu" or somesuch, do it  :P04:54
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lunitikBrunellus: might want to go into /boot/grub/menu.lst and change 'timeout=' to something greater than 3 secs though  ;)04:54
Greg___Iunitik: have any idea what I should try?04:55
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Greg___the dns address is in my /etc/resolv.conf file04:55
Greg___is there supposed to be more than one line in it?04:56
Brunelluslunitik:  if it works, then what?04:56
lunitikGreg___: if you can't ping an IP address on the net... thats not the issue...04:56
Brunelluscould I apt-get the relevant packages without messing with it?04:56
Greg___so you have any idea what the issue is?04:56
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Greg___like is there a way i can tell if it's even correctly connecting to the access point?04:57
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javier;o04:57
lunitikBrunellus: Was anything wrong with the kernel you were using (everything worked etc?)04:57
Brunelluseverything worked great04:57
javierwow, a few problems with ubuntu (just installed it from the box)04:57
lunitikBrunellus: if so, no real need to upgrade any more04:57
BrunellusI was jsut following the ubuntu-multimedia howto04:57
casimirGreg___, are you using any kind of WEP and/or are you getting an IP from DHCP on the AP/Router?04:57
lunitikBrunellus: remove 'linux-386' and 'linux-image-386'04:58
Greg___the router i'm using does have a WEP key04:58
Greg___i think it's specified correctly04:58
lunitikBrunellus: then it won't keep upgrading kernels04:58
Greg___i've read what the /etc/network/interfaces is supposed to look like04:58
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lunitikGreg___: ping localhost  <-- does anything?04:58
Greg___and the wireless_ lines seemed to be entered correctly04:58
Tarkusyo, how do i install software on linux??04:58
AcidWolfhmmmm04:58
BrunellusTarkus:04:58
Greg___hm, i'll go give that a try04:58
Brunelluswww.ubuntuguide.org04:58
javiersomeone can help? im trying to get workin X11, i have a GF6800 and the 'nv' driver doesnt support it, so.. i downloaded the driver from nvidia.com and now it says that no precompiled kernel interface was found that match my kernel. rofl04:58
Tarkusi download a .tar.gz file, and i extracted it to Home/111/04:59
lunitikTarkus: apt-get install someshit04:59
javierany ideas?04:59
AcidWolfthere 2 files time and date now id like to view there paths04:59
AcidWolfwhats the command04:59
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BrunellusTarkus:  the various pages where software lives will have instructions.04:59
BrunellusOK.  I'm going to reboot to the old kernel04:59
lunitikjavier: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto04:59
Brunellusif I reboot to the old kernel, and it works04:59
javierthx04:59
Brunellushow do I tell grub to load the old kernel, and not the new one?05:00
casimirjavier, add the universe repository to apt, then apt-get nvidia-glx05:00
javierdoes it comes with a text browser? like links or something like that05:00
Brunellusand if the old kernel loads, will it break things that I installed after the upgrade?05:00
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javiercasimir: how do i add "the universe repository" to apt? i come from gentoo, im used to portage but have no idea about apt05:01
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siimoanyone know when ubuntu unstable/grumpy (like debian sid?) will be available ?  after hoary is out?05:01
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lunitikjavier: in /etc/apt/sources.list  ... add 'universe multiverse' to one of the lines that state 'archive.ubuntu.com'05:02
Brunellusok.  I'm gone.05:02
AcidWolfi think hoary is out on the 5th of next month05:02
lunitikcasimir: ^^05:02
lunitikjavier: sorry bout that... heh... but no... apt-get install elinks  :)05:02
javierk, hehe ;-)05:02
casimirjavier, I have gentoo on my desktop as well05:03
javiersweet05:03
casimirapt tends to grow on you05:03
DonLI like apt myself05:04
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javierim just testing ubuntu, i ordered the cd's a couple of weeks a go. they just arrived yesterday ;o05:04
javier:>05:04
DonLHow many did you get, javier ?05:05
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javier1205:05
lunitikjavier: better put them to good use  :P05:06
DonLI got ten and they didn't last long. Of course, what people are going to use them for may be a different thing05:06
javier8 Intel x86 and 2 amd6405:06
javierjaja yeah05:06
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lunitikWheres the Remove part?  *blush*05:07
javierim sharing the spirit of ubuntu05:07
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BurgundaviaBobaFett: What is the issue?05:07
javieri already gave 5 cd's to friends05:07
javier:>05:08
lunitikuhh... wait, the remove part is obvious... I meant wheres the add part  :o05:08
BobaFettAhhhh...It beats me, mr. Burgundavia...installation works fine, everything works fine...but it just wont boot!05:08
dazedhey anyone framilliar with fluxbox?05:08
AMCDeathKnightWHats Ubuntus default root password?05:08
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BurgundaviaBobaFett: Where does it get too?05:08
BurgundaviaAMCDeathKnight: Uses sudo by default05:08
BobaFettAfter the 'your puter will now reboot, enjoy ubuntu', it reboots and it just stays blank...05:08
AMCDeathKnightyeh it askes for password when i do sudo05:09
AMCDeathKnightis the pass suo?05:09
DonLjavier, me too. I give them out, give them my phone number, offer all the hlp I can, and they still don't use them. Blows me away. These are people crying about the latest virus05:09
AMCDeathKnight*sudo05:09
goldfishyour login password05:09
BurgundaviaAMCDeathKnight: your own05:09
AMCDeathKnighthavnt set it, just installed it05:09
BurgundaviaAMCDeathKnight: Sudo uses the same password as you do, there is no root password05:09
AMCDeathKnightoh05:09
dazedgoldfish: hey everything is working but i was wondering if you knew how i could get into my styles folder i think i saw somewhere that its located ~./fluxbox/styles/ but i dunno how to get in to edit the styles05:09
AMCDeathKnightok05:09
AMCDeathKnightletmme check05:10
goldfishdazed: kk05:10
Tarkusdoes anyone know why i cant scroll up in a terminal window??05:10
AMCDeathKnightI love the cock05:10
goldfishTarkus: Shift + pageup05:10
BobaFettAnyone knows if there are any known bugs or something like that with ubuntu and intel motherboards? I just can't figure out what's wrong...05:10
goldfishTarkus: Shift + a+ pageup05:10
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dazedcd .fluxbox/styles/ doesnt work05:11
AMCDeathKnightis not working05:11
AMCDeathKnightput in Su05:11
speelsudp05:11
AMCDeathKnightand the password wont accept05:11
speelsudo05:11
Tarkusgoldfish: its not working..05:11
goldfishhrmm...05:11
SiRrUswow 27 more updates tonight05:11
AMCDeathKnightyeh but i put in sudo and some -command things appear05:11
goldfishTarkus: you might have to increase the buffer size in prefences05:11
goldfishTarkus: dunno  really, sorry :/05:11
lavigjdoes anyone know of an image viewer that will open images in a compressed archive?05:12
geppygoldfish:  What kind of laptop do you have?05:12
Tarkusgoldfish: kk, ill figure it out, thanks05:12
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goldfishgeppy: dell inspiron 860005:13
javierDonL: jaja, sad but true..05:13
geppygoldfish:  Any Linux problems?05:13
goldfishnope05:13
goldfishwel05:13
goldfishI had sound and resolution problems05:13
goldfishand wireless05:13
goldfishbut got it all working05:13
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DonLjavier, I don't get religious about it any more. If they want to they will05:13
geppygoldfish:  Did you use ndiswrapper for the wireless?05:14
goldfishdazed: http://alien2thisworld.net/sitePages/tutorials/fluxbox.html05:14
goldfishgeppy: yep05:14
XposerXieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[0-01:1023]   GUID[000a270002784ebc] 05:14
AMCDeathKnightwhen i type in sudo05:14
XposerXieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-02:102305:14
XposerXieee1394: Reconnected to SBP-2 device05:14
XposerXieee1394: Node 0-00:1023: Max speed [S400]  - Max payload [2048] 05:14
XposerX I know this is my ipod but how do i set it up?05:14
AMCDeathKnightit dosnt switch me to roor05:14
BobaFettguys...anyone installed ubuntu using an Intel motherboard?05:14
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steve__I got sick of my wireless woes and bought a Cisco card on Ebay for $3605:14
goldfishAMCDeathKnight: sudo does not, su05:14
steve__worked like a charm right out of box05:14
lunitikgoldfish: don't recommend people use su in #ubuntu please05:15
AMCDeathKnightsu asks for password and i dont know the default root password05:15
goldfishok05:15
DonLBobaFett, I had it running on an old Intel a long time ago without problems05:15
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: sudo -s05:15
AMCDeathKnightok05:15
goldfishAMCDeathKnight: it is the login password for the first account added05:15
BobaFettreally? im using an old i810 and ubuntu just freezes after installation is complete...05:15
goldfishlunitik: sorry05:15
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: if you need to have a shell... else just 'sudo somecommand thanks'05:15
BobaFettany idea what could be wrong? ive tried everything...updating from inet, not updating, changing from cd install to cdrw...nuttin!05:16
steve__anyone want to help me format a USB thum drive for fat32?05:16
AMCDeathKnighti done sudo-s but it staill asks for password05:16
AMCDeathKnightok05:16
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: yup... your password05:16
AMCDeathKnightlettme try t05:16
DonLYes, BobaFett , that's what I had. I wasn't running Ubuntu, but I had no problems with any other Linux's05:16
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: gives you a root shell though...05:16
AMCDeathKnightit says gdm alredy running how can i switch to it05:17
AMCDeathKnightim in root now05:17
BobaFettThis is my first Linux, so I'm a bit n00b, but i mean, winxp runs smoothly, both at the installation and on the os itself...why should ubuntu freeze?05:17
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: ctrl alt f705:17
AMCDeathKnightok thanks05:17
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dazedHey...im setting up gkrellm and i want Evoloution to be my mail reading program what do i have to put in the text box to send it to open Evoloution?05:17
BobaFettit's begginning to get on my nerves, actually.05:18
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DonLI don't blame you, BobaFett05:18
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AMCDeathKnightthe monitor cuts off05:18
DonLDo you have lots of ram, BobaFett ?05:18
AMCDeathKnightwhen i do alt-ctrl-f705:18
AMCDeathKnightit had ubuntu before05:18
BobaFettNot lots...i'm in a really old PC...256 SDRAM PC100 in 2 slots05:18
goldfishdazed: It is already in Apps > Net05:19
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: ctrl alt f1 ... /etc/init.d/restart05:19
AMCDeathKnight?05:19
AMCDeathKnighti dont understand that lunatik05:19
DonLBobaFett, should be plenty. Don't know from here, I'm afraid05:19
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: I'm tired... /etc/init.d/gdm restart05:19
dazedi know goldfish...but i want it so when i click the mail icon on Gkrellm it opens up my Evoloution05:19
AMCDeathKnightok05:19
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: type that05:19
goldfishdazed: oh sorry :/05:19
goldfishdazed: I have just started fluxbox, aint got icons yet :)05:19
dazedlol ...icons?05:20
DonLBobaFett, did you tell your BIOS you didn't have a PNP OS?05:20
BobaFettumm...no, actually...05:20
BobaFettgeeze...05:20
DonLTry that. Could help05:20
BobaFettYou think?05:20
goldfishdazed: nm :)05:20
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dazedlol i know newb05:21
AMCDeathKnightno such file ot directory05:21
BobaFettI got an error during the installation, something to do with PCI packages (didnt read it, scroll was too fast)...05:21
goldfishdazed: What?05:21
BobaFettyou think that's something PNP-3related?05:21
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AMCDeathKnighti typed that even tried cd before it05:22
dazedim a newb05:22
MrBIOSwhat's the package name for the XOrg headers?05:22
dazedlol05:22
goldfishAMCDeathKnight: X wouldn't run for me, I ran this command from a root terminal and it got set up fine, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8605:22
goldfishdazed: oh, me too really05:22
goldfishAMCDeathKnight: if you are using xfree86 of course05:22
DonLWho knows. Maybe that's just an old thing. A few years ago you had to change the BIOS to tell it you didn't have  plug n play05:22
AMCDeathKnightso i juist typ ethat in and it should work?05:22
goldfishAMCDeathKnight: it is a setup05:22
goldfishAMCDeathKnight: you gotta go through it05:22
BobaFettsheesh...I'll go check out my BIOS' PNP parameters, i guess it's worth the try. Also, guys...what's the optimal partition setup for ubuntu? i got a bit confused in the middle of the whole boot-root partition mambo-jambo... *blush*05:22
geppygoldfish:  what kind of battery life does your laptop get?05:23
DonLAre you dual-booting, BobaFett ?05:23
BobaFettnopes.05:23
danielshi guys.  testing the new keyboard detection for array 6.  can people with interesting setups (non-US keyboard layout or langauge, including non-English) please grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/detect-keyboard.sh, run chmod +x detect-keyboard.sh, then run sudo $(pwd)/detect-keyboard.sh and let me know the results in /msg?  thanks.05:23
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goldfishgeppy: oh shit05:23
goldfishgeppy: My laptop is cnstantly plugged in05:23
BobaFettim trying to leave that disgusting habit that is Windows...05:23
geppyhahaha05:23
goldfishfucked the battery up05:23
tuxJr_14hi05:24
BobaFettsi just Ubuntu runnin is my goal LOL05:24
geppygoldfish: that sucks05:24
goldfishgeppy: yeah :)05:24
DonLBobaFett, I just let it do as it will. That way I don't have to go through the partitioning. Lazy I suppose, but it seems to work for me05:24
dazedlol and i still cant find my styles folder :(05:24
dazedi went ot that site05:24
goldfishgeppy: I was thinking of ordering a new one, and a 2nd one that replaces the cd-drive05:24
goldfishdazed: make it :)05:24
dazedbut i cant get into the directory they specified05:24
dazedoh...how do i make one!?05:24
goldfishdazed: cd ~/.fluxbox; mkdir styles05:24
geppygoldfish:  ah, cool;  how much did it cost?05:24
goldfishgeppy: I am thinking of it :)05:24
BobaFettSo I should just clean my HD of everything, and just use ubuntu's partitioning defaults?05:25
geppy=)05:25
goldfishgeppy: when i get a job in the summer :)05:25
geppygoldfish:  hahaha =)05:25
BobaFettAND remove the PNP option from my BIOS...05:25
BobaFettgot it...05:25
DonLWell, that's what I do, BobaFett05:25
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BobaFettThanks a bunch for the tips, DonL05:25
DonLHopefully it will work for you!05:25
DonLNp05:25
dazedgoldfish: me = confooooooooosed .... mkdir: cannot create directory `styles': File exists05:25
dazed??????05:25
BobaFettThanks, dude! I'll go try once more...05:25
geppygoldfish:  I'm thinking of either getting a Dell Inspiron 8600, or a Sony Vaio FS500;  I'm leaning towards the Vaio, I just can't find any Linux reviews... as far as financing, I'm going to be an idiot and do it by the month. =)05:26
steve__help with formating USB DOK05:26
steve__anyone?05:26
BobaFett&me waves!05:26
goldfishgeppy: 8600 is great05:26
lavigjdoes anyone here use ffmpeg?05:26
geppygoldfish:  Vaio is better, as long as it works with Linux =P05:26
goldfishwell :)05:26
DonLI'm off for now. Night folks05:27
goldfishthey are thick05:27
geppygoldfish: heh05:27
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geppygoldfish:  I'm a backpacker. =)05:27
goldfishheh05:27
geppygoldfish:   =P05:27
lavigjgeppy: I realize that you didn't list them, but IBM thinkpads are excellent05:27
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geppylavigj:  Do they have the GeForce Go graphics chipsets?05:27
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steve__working on an old PIII thinkpad right now... which05:28
lavigjgeppy: ah, that's the trick. mostly ati or intel. Same with toshibas.05:28
steve__reminds me why I'm here... any help with USB DOK formating05:28
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geppylavigj:  Yeah, that's the reason why I'm leaning towards Vaio;  Sony is apparently nVidia's marketing whore, at least, judging by their latest Go launch05:28
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AMCDeathKnightit went through the setup but still same error05:29
lavigjgeppy: sweet. I will have to check them out. I am just an nVidia whore ;)05:29
geppylavigj:  hahaha05:29
steve__get a used IBM thinkpad05:29
geppylavigj:  So am I. =D05:29
lavigjgeppy: fwiw if you can live without nvidia, toshiba and thinkpads are good. other wise, vaio is probably better than dell05:29
geppysteve__:  'twould be no good for my mad gaming skills05:29
zenroxnvidia all the way baby05:29
geppylavigj:  Yeah, I was figuring that the Vaio would be better, as long as it runs Linux nicely05:29
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steve__I got a wicked Dell too! I googled an online coupon at the time of purchase and saved $4951!105:30
strixyhello everyone05:30
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lavigjgeppy: on the other hand, I can't say too much against dell. we probably have nearly 200 Dell boxes where I work, and outside of floppy drives, and harddrive issues they've been great. our tech guy likes to fix things with a new harddrive though... (granted, it generally works)05:30
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strixytrying to help a friend install Java on Ubuntu - thought it was?05:30
NetGeekdoes ubuntu have a rc.local?05:30
geppylavigj:  heh =)05:30
steve__lavigj, can you help me format a USB thumb drive?05:30
strixyDoes Ubuntu come with Java installed?05:31
lavigjgeppy: the only problem I can think of not hdd or fdd related is one had a bad video card. Dell sent us a new mobo and it seems to be doing fine now05:31
lavigjsteve__: I just started using one today05:31
steve__really... boot from USB?05:31
steve__or for storage?05:31
NetGeekI have two hdparm command I need to run at boot05:31
lavigjsteve__: I plugged it in once, it didn't do anything but give me an error. plugged it in again, and it picked it up fine and gave it a vfat fs05:32
lavigjsteve__: storage only, sorry man05:32
steve__oh, I'm trying to format one to get it to boot a distro05:32
zenroxlavigj, my bios supports boot from my usb reader05:32
optishhow can remove a package that never got installed properly i tried apt-get remove packagename and it complains about some missing files which is true because they arent there05:32
steve__but I have no 3l337 skills05:32
lavigjzenrox: yeah. I just haven't tried it, I think mine will too.05:33
goldfishstrixy: no05:33
steve__downloading the slax .iso right now05:33
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zenroxlavigj,  i havent either i want to put a /boot on to a 128mb sd disk and see what happeds one of these days05:34
AMCDeathKnightHow do i get out of the manels05:34
AMCDeathKnight*Manuels05:34
lavigjsteve__: I wouldn't consider myself 1337 with linux :)05:34
zenroxAMCDeathKnight,  q05:34
AMCDeathKnightctrl-c wont work05:34
AMCDeathKnightok05:34
goldfishstrixy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre05:34
lavigjzenrox: I would be curious to know05:34
javierwow, i just cant install the nvidia driver. I already added the universe repository to apt, did apt-get install nvidia-glx and it says: "Package nvidia-glx is not avaliable, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate05:34
zenroxlavigj, i have bin reading up with google at my side05:34
lavigjzenrox: I for one welcome my new google overlords ;)05:35
optishisn't there some kind command or command line option for apt-get to ignore warnings and just force the "remove" of a package?05:35
zenroxlol05:35
lavigjgeez, I need to quite playing with this thing :)05:35
zenroxlavigj,  me too05:35
strixyHow do I change the location variable in Ubuntu?05:35
zenroxi keep breaking stuff05:35
zenroxthen i have to fix it agine05:36
javierany ideas? ;o05:36
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lavigjI don't suppose anyone here uses ffmpeg? I am having a terrible time with variable bitrate and 2 pass encoding05:36
geppylavigj:  I do.05:36
javierlunitik, donl, casimir :P05:36
lavigjgeppy: mind if I PM you?05:36
AMCDeathKnightok05:37
AMCDeathKnightwhy wont it open gdm05:37
geppylavigj:  Not at all.05:37
AMCDeathKnightteh monitor shuts off05:37
AMCDeathKnightand i ran xfree setup05:37
AMCDeathKnightand still no go05:37
AMCDeathKnightplease help05:38
lunitikjavier: nvidia-glx I thought was in restricted... should be activated by default ... I already directed you at the wiki correct?05:38
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AMCDeathKnightI checked the gdm manuel, nothing interesting05:39
AMCDeathKnightso how would you change teh resolution of gdm in the termainl05:39
javieryes, im reading it..05:39
javieri just uncommented the wrong lines in sources.list :$05:40
javier<305:40
AMCDeathKnightplease  help05:40
AMCDeathKnightI really need this working05:40
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AMCDeathKnightso how would you change teh resolution of gdm in the termainl05:41
AMCDeathKnightwhat file would you edit and how would you doit?05:42
lunitikAMCDeathKnight: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... but its not that... it tries a few...05:42
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optishwhat's the command to remove a package?05:45
andrewskioptish: man apt-get05:45
optisha broken package to be exact05:45
lunitikoptish: either 'dpkg -P pkg' or 'apt-get remove' or 'apt-get remove --purge'05:46
optishi tried apt-get remove --purge packagename but it complains05:46
dazedgoldfish...that site u sent me to get my styles folder working u still have that handy?05:46
andrewskioptish: about what?05:46
optishmissing files05:46
optishbut thats because package never installed properly in the first place05:46
goldfishdazed: http://alien2thisworld.net/sitePages/tutorials/fluxbox.html05:47
goldfishdazed: Bookmarking is your friend :)05:47
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andrewskioptish: apt-get clean?05:47
andrewskioptish: n/m...05:47
langelaevarlast : hi, can you help me with my problem about the sound???05:47
optishhrm...havent tried that but i doubt thats related?05:47
langelahi05:47
goldfishhi05:48
optishthis is what i get for trying to use a non-official package...stupid java :-/05:48
goldfishlol05:48
optishi should have just done a manual install from sun's site05:48
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andrewskiis it java that's stupid?05:48
langelai had a big problem, after i install kde the sound doesn't work05:48
langelawhat can it be??05:48
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Xirdnehanyone can tell me what kind of lexmark is a Dell photoprinter 720?, i have read is Z35 and some other but not shure, or where can I check this?05:49
langelao don't know what to do!05:49
dazedanyone know a good site with some kick ass backgrounds05:49
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optishandrewski,  well not really..if it worked/installed easily05:49
langelai don't know what to do!05:49
andrewskioptish: sorry, i didn't mean that to sound personal.05:49
mhzbuenas noches!05:49
mhzhi over there05:49
langelai tried with kcontrol disabled the sound system but still doesn't work05:49
dazedalso...i have konqueror...but its not on my menu and i dont know where its location is to add it to my menu...does anyone know how to do this?05:50
optishandrewski, no worries i didnt think it was personal..i like java apps just getting the sdk installed on hoary hasnt been well a snap05:50
andrewskioptish: blackdown or sun?05:50
optishhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1538305:51
langelaevarlast : hi, please help me!!05:51
optishi'm running into same probs as that post but i dont want to use those packages i want to install it manually but first i want to remove the broken packages so i can upgrade again with synaptic05:51
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andrewskioptish: FWIW, it's far easier to install blackdown on ubuntu.05:52
optishyea i may just do that but i want to get rid of this problem first05:53
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andrewskioptish: understood.  i'm still trying, but wanted to mention that.05:53
optishthanks :)05:53
lunitikoptish: dpkg -l pkg_you_tried_to_remove05:53
langelahi, please help me with this problem, after i install kde the sound it's break, doesn't work, somebody told me that disabled system sound in kcontro, i did it but still no work, what can i do?05:54
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andrewskioptish: did you try installing it again, to see if it would complete?05:54
javierthx for the help, it worked ;)05:54
javier<305:54
andrewskilangela: have you asked in #kde?05:55
langelauuumm nop05:55
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andrewskilangela: since there doesn't seem to be anyone here to answer your question, that's probably your best bet.05:55
optishwhen i do dpkg -l......the packges have "pi" in front...i'm not sure what that means but i read that it should show "ii" instead if its installed properly right?05:56
langelaandrewski : ok, thanks05:56
optishandrewski, yea i tried installing it again and same errors05:56
dazedi have konqueror...but its not on my menu and i dont know where its location is to add it to my menu...does anyone know how to do this?05:56
AndyFitzokay what the hell is changing .ICEauthority and .Xauthority's permissions on me05:56
andrewskioptish: what were the errors for installing it?05:56
dullinWhen I had KDE (other distro) the sound would be edgy when alot ws going on while one gnome it would be fine05:56
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andrewskidazed: look in /usr/share/applications and copy one of the .desktop files and edit it for the konqueror information.05:57
andrewskidazed: the manual answer, anyway. :)05:57
optishhrm...i just did "apt-get install package" i wonder if there is a reinstall option...let me check man apt-get05:57
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dazedlol ty05:57
andrewskioptish: what was the error?05:57
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dullinwith synaptic you can do a reinstall05:57
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andrewskioptish: apt-get --reinstall too...05:58
dazedandrewski: there is no Konqueror in my /usr/share/applications folder...i used apt-get to get it and stuff...i know its still there cuz im exploring with it05:59
andrewskidazed: exactly, that's why you have to copy the syntax of *another* file...05:59
dazedu lost me05:59
dazed<---- extra newb05:59
goldfishuber newb :)06:00
andrewskiyou're just dazed.06:00
dazedlil bit lol06:00
goldfishhaha06:00
optishandrewski, sorry dont recall what the errors were when i tried to install it first time...but i dont want to try reinstalling these packages...06:00
andrewskidazed: ok, name a .desktop file therein...06:00
AndyFitzanybody else experiencing that  atomic  gam_server   error   .06:00
dazedany file in applications06:00
andrewskioptish: well, i'm thinking if you get a full install, you can simply turn around and remove them.  [shrugs] 06:01
andrewskidazed: name one.06:01
AndyFitzalso my .ICEauthority and .Xauthority's perms are always changing .. wtf06:01
dazedgaim06:01
optishandrewski,  yeh seems like i may have to06:01
lunitikoptish: don't know if you found it... but apt-get install --reinstall (was just scrolling up, and saw that)06:01
andrewskidazed: ok, copy it and rename the copy to konqueror.desktop06:01
andrewskidazed: you with me?06:02
dazedwith u but i got an error06:02
optishlunitik, yea found it thanks...but didnt help06:02
moyogohow can I ask for a package to be added to multiverse?06:02
andrewskidazed: ?06:02
andrewskimoyogo: bugzilla.ubuntu.org06:02
dazedwhen i tried to paste it said rename so i renamed and it said could not write to the specified location06:02
lunitikoptish: still dealing with the packages that won't remove themselves? you sure they aren't gone? cuz apparently dpkg still proceeds to remove...06:02
goldfishu might need root access06:02
andrewskidazed: you need to be root or to use sudo to copy that.06:02
dazedoh so i cant do it in konqueror browser lol06:03
moyogoandrewski: thanks06:03
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andrewskidazed: you could, if you ran konqueror as sudo...06:03
andrewskimoyogo: np06:03
optishlunitik, yea i did...synaptic says they are broken06:03
optishdpkg -l shows them with "pi" in front...what does that mean?06:03
andrewskidoes anyone know if it's possible to force install a package, i.e. without installing the dependencies?06:04
lunitikoptish: partly installed06:04
Xirdnehhi there, i try to run this.. /z600cups-1.0-1.gz.sh but then a msg appears aparentrly is an rpm and in debian i have to use alien, but dont know how with this .sh any suggestinos?06:04
dazedandrewski: how do u run konqueror as sudo....sudo konqueror?06:04
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andrewskidazed: you got it.06:05
goldfishem06:05
goldfishdo u want to be running it as sudo?06:05
goldfishIs that not dangerous?06:05
optishandrewski, i was just going the man for apt-get it said something about "-f" option06:05
andrewskigoldfish: isn't it dangerous doing anything with root privileges?06:05
optishlunitik, thanks06:05
goldfishandrewski: depends on what you are doing06:06
dazedandrewski... ok renaimed it....its still got the gaim icon though06:06
andrewskioptish: ah, thanks. :)06:06
andrewskidazed: yes, and it will still run gaim until you edit it. :)06:06
optishandrewski, glad i can help :)06:06
dazedlol ok ...how i edit it?06:06
andrewskidazed: now run `sudo kedit /usr/share/applications/konqueror.desktop`06:06
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optishhas anyone here used captive-ntfs.....worth the hassle?06:08
dazedkedit command not found andrewski06:08
andrewskidazed: heh, i assumed you had a full kde install.06:08
FrodoWhat is going on with Ubuntu servers?  I am stalled almost with every action I do with synaptic...06:08
andrewskidazed: try gedit.06:08
lunitikoptish: can you afford data loss on windows partition?06:08
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dazedim in06:09
Frodois it because I run Warty?06:09
dazednow what06:09
optishlunitik, some but not all...heh...yea i should have expected that kind of answer :)06:09
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andrewskidazed: ok, look for the icon line; change it to read (exactly) 'konqueror'.06:09
andrewskiif that doesn't work, try 'konq'; i don't know...06:10
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lunitikoptish: heh... I'd say no if you plan on using Windows in the near future  ;)06:10
javierhow do i upgrade to unstable ? when the installation ask'd it to me i said no, but now im going to sleep and i want to upgrade all the packages ;)06:10
dazedandrewski...no .png? cuz gaim had .png and the EXEC line had nothing but the word 'gaim'06:10
BobaFettguys...anyone knows what a 'pciehp.ko fatal error' means?06:10
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optishlunitik, so i take it you havent had good experience with it?06:10
lunitikoptish: I haven't used it... but its not in the kernel yet for a reason  ;)06:11
andrewskidazed: no .png; that's a problem with many .desktop files.  i'll give you the explanation if you want, but it's tangential.06:11
dazedim good lol06:11
andrewskidazed: ;P06:11
YomicWhere are the java plugins for firefox?06:11
dazedso leave the Exec as GAIM , andrewski06:11
orospakrhoary's gnome terminal terminal bell beeps with both the PC speaker and a nice sound effect. how do I stop it from beeping the PC speaker?06:11
lunitikBobaFett: ignore it... its not important06:11
optishhrm...i wonder if there is an ext3 driver for xp06:11
crimsunYomic: for what arch?06:11
sankitoi'm trying to mount my dvd drive on my laptop and when i type    "sudo mount /media/cdrom/ -o unhide" as it says to in the howto, i get error "mount: special device /dev/scdo does not exist" anyone know what my problem is?06:12
dazedandrewski ... the icon is now changed to what it should be06:12
Yomicarch?06:12
BobaFettMy Ubuntu freezes after installation, lunitik...are you sure it's nothing??06:12
andrewskidazed: ok, now change the exec line to 'konqueror' or 'konq', whichever it is...06:12
andrewskidazed: patience, young grasshopper. :)06:12
crimsunYomic: architecture06:12
BobaFettit's the only error I get, but Ubutu won't load06:12
andrewskidazed: ok, and make sure you change the name and comment fields to something sane, also.06:12
YomicEh... No clue what that means *_*06:12
dazedok06:12
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Dr_willisHmm.. Dang it - having the hardest time getting X configured ruight on this box.. Useing AMD64. Warty. it makes the config. but for some reason "no screens found" type error.06:12
lunitikBobaFett: yup... if you want... add 'pciehp' and 'shpchp' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and reboot, the errors will be gone06:12
optishsankito, make sure your dvddrive is at /dev/scdo06:13
sankitohow do i see where it is?06:13
optishsankito, it may be a typo instead of /dev/scdo its prolly suppose to be /dev/scd006:13
dazedis that all andrewski?06:13
BobaFettI can't load anything, lunitik...all I get after installing and rebooting, is a black screen... =(06:13
lunitikBobaFett: have a livecd handy? ....06:14
andrewskidazed: yes, should be.  double check that each line of that file has something that relates to konqueror and not gaim.06:14
YomicBobaFett: Your graphics card must not be supported.06:14
dazedit does06:14
crimsunYomic: cpu?06:14
andrewskidazed: exec, icon, name, and comment are the important ones. :)06:14
andrewskidazed: oh, and category?06:14
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YomicWhat does my cpu have to do with java?06:14
BobaFettI'm running a LIveCD right now, lunitim06:14
sankitothe error message says /dev/scd0 but how do i see if that's where my dvd drive is?06:14
dazednow is that file /usr/share/applications/konqueror.desktop is where its located at now right?06:14
optishsankito, not sure exactly but edit /etc/fstab and see what your dvd drive mount is pointing to06:14
dazedyes they all good06:14
crimsunYomic: because there's no accessible java plugin for mozilla-firefox on amd6406:15
BobaFettGraphics card not supported?? geze..makes sense..I[m using a PCI TNT206:15
andrewskidazed: yes, that's where it's located.  does it show up in your menu alright?06:15
dazedwell im on fluxbox06:15
dazedso ill haev to add it to my menu06:15
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BobaFettbut if the card's not supported, I shouldn't be able to run the LiveCD right?06:15
andrewskidazed: do you use gnome-panel, kicker, etc.?06:15
YomicI don't know :/06:15
dazedyes06:15
dazedi believe06:15
andrewskidazed: a menu/taskbar panel?06:16
dazedlost me06:16
dazedi use ubuntu which came with gnome06:16
Tarkusif im programming with php, c++ and perl. is linux better than windows for that??06:16
dazedi changed to fluxbox06:16
dazedand its fluxbox desktop06:16
dazedwith its own menu06:16
crimsunTarkus: "better" is extremely subjective06:16
lunitikTarkus: no06:16
andrewskidazed: do you have a 'start menu'?06:16
dazedgenerated by the origina gnome menu06:16
dazedye06:16
andrewskipardon the expression. :)06:16
moquistwould anyone here quickly test a URL for me?06:16
lunitikTarkus: languages don't depend on OS06:16
jdubTarkus: depends what you're trying to do. lots of people think so. there's certainly a heck of a lot of open source code you can use and learn from.06:17
goldfishTarkus: yes06:17
dazedlol understood06:17
optishandrewski,  okay so i tried reinstalling those java packages and they still dont install seems like its complaining about an existing firefox java plugin file06:17
optishi guess i'll just rename it and try reinstalling it again06:17
andrewskioptish: did you see the last post in that thread you sent to me?06:17
andrewskidazed: ok, the menu should update and konq should be in it, if all went well.06:17
Tarkuswhat so good about linux though??06:17
BobaFettanyone runs ubuntu with a tnt2pci??06:17
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optishandrewski,  yea but see he was reinstalling it and i just wanted to remove it ;)06:17
YomicWhat is the command for updating/installing java plugins for firefox?06:17
javierhow can i upgrade to unstable? apt-get upgrade says that there are no packages to upgrade.. but obviously there are. I've firefox 0.9.3 and stuff06:18
andrewskioptish: still... i would remove your plugins first, at least the ones ubuntu installs (java/flash/etc)06:18
dazedwell nope then06:18
dazedbut i really gotta go so ill try to figure it out later06:18
dazedthanks06:18
goldfishYomic: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla06:18
andrewskidazed: try logging out and logging in.  later!06:18
YomicThanks06:19
andrewskijavier: you would need to change all instances of 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list06:19
javiermaybe its just me but i find portage more friendly ;D06:19
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Dr_willishmm. I got a hoary and warty install cd's but cant rember which is which. :P06:19
javierandrewski, k, thx :)06:19
goldfishTarkus: I dont like windows and all it's gui crap06:19
andrewskijavier: yes, apt takes getting used to.06:19
stuNNedDr_willis: lol06:19
optishandrewski, right..i didnt even know it installed those plugins...are they just dummy/fake placeholders or real deal?06:19
javieryah, maybe is just that ;)06:19
BobaFettanyone runs ubuntu with a tnt2pci??06:19
Dr_willisstuNNed,   :P looking at the dirs now.. cant seem to tell which this one is.06:19
BobaFettor nows if its possible?06:19
Dr_willisstuNNed,  amd64 and warty seem to be giveing me X issues. :(06:19
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andrewskioptish: dunno, i don't have them at all, don't use firefox, etc...06:20
stuNNedDr_willis: look at the version of firefox, if it's 1.0 then it's hoary :P06:20
Dr_willisstuNNed,  this is the installer cd.. so lets see...06:20
Dr_willisnotjhing installed yet. :P06:20
sankitooptish, it seems the mount point for my dvd drive is /media/cdrom006:20
Tarkusgoldfish: whats so bad about GUI though?06:21
Dr_willisaha - a readme says warty. :P06:21
OrangeSliceCLI > GUI06:21
OrangeSlicebwahaha06:21
goldfishTarkus: meh, I just prefer terminals :)06:21
Dr_willisok. the latest and greatest is Hoary rught? for some reason my Hoary ISO isent booting. :(06:21
optishsankito, oh okay and what's the actual location like /dev/scd0?06:21
Tarkusgoldfish: i dont really understand how a terminal works though06:21
andrewskiDr_willis: latest and greatest, maybe.  unstable, yes.06:22
sankito yes it's /dev/scd006:22
goldfishTarkus: I am only new to it myself, what don't you understand?06:22
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Dr_williswell considering the fighting I am having to do with Warty.. it cant me much worse. :P06:22
sankitounder options should i change noauto to auto?06:22
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Tarkusgoldfish: lol, i dont understand anything, i just got ubuntu last night06:22
waseemhi since im on linux does that mean there is absolutely no way i can get a virus/trojan/worm?06:23
Dr_williswaseem,  with common sence.. :P and considering how those things are rare...06:23
goldfishTarkus: oh right, I'm using it about 4 weeks or so06:23
Tarkusgoldfish: never used linux b4, so im really new to everything06:23
Dr_willisyou are about as s3ecure as you can get.06:23
crimsunwaseem: absolutely? no. probably? yes.06:23
goldfishTarkus: havent been using it much , I dual boot for games :)06:23
andrewskiwaseem: no, you just need to examine the source code for every program you compile.  or, trust a distribution not to infiltrate you.06:23
optishsankito, hrm...not really sure but here's my fstab entry for the dvddrive "/dev/cdrom1       /media/dvdrom        auto      noauto,ro,user,exec         0   0"06:23
goldfishTarkus: Ah right06:23
goldfishTarkus: www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start off06:24
Tarkusgoldfish: k, thnx06:24
waseemagh i bought something off ebay and the seller sent me an email with no text in the body and the attachment says noname06:24
goldfishTarkus: and the other links in the topic06:24
waseemso would it be stupid to open the attachment?06:24
sankitois anyone able to play poker online with linux?06:24
goldfishnever tried06:24
goldfishactually06:24
andrewskisankito: if you're online, you'll just need the right plugin, presumably flash?06:25
Parisiah06:25
sankitodo you know of a site that has flash poker software? the only web based one i could find used java, and i was having trouble trying to get the java plug-in to work06:26
andrewskisankito: google for flash games?06:27
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optishthat was a pain...i should have just try to reinstall the java package to make it easy..and then remove it afterwards...but you'd think that you can force a broken packge removal easily06:28
YomicI'm new to the linux Filesystem; where is my linux equivalent to "Program Files" in the heirarchy?06:29
goldfishem06:29
optishomg...this thing is getting on my nerves...now that i had it installed properly....i'm trying to remove it and its failing again...good god..this thing sucks06:30
optisherm...these java packages that is...06:30
andrewskiYomic: well, the executables are stored in /usr/bin...06:30
YomicOkay, thanks.06:30
andrewskiYomic: while the data files are separated, usually in /usr/share/<app name>06:30
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froustI just updated my hoary install, and lost my sound/games... any idea why?06:34
BobafettOk, people, just so you know...Ubunto doesn't run on a TNT2 PCI card...06:35
Bobafett_)06:35
crimsunsure it does06:35
Bobafettmine didn't !06:35
crimsunI presume you're testing Hoary?06:35
BobafettI had to take out my tnt2 and run with onboard video...06:35
crimsunHoary has the latest version of the Nvidia driver, 1.0-6629, which will not work with TNT* chipsets.06:35
crimsun(it's a known issue with 1.0-6629. Revert to 1.0-6111.)06:36
YomicWha can't I get Firefox to run this .jnlp file?06:36
YomicWhy*06:36
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BobafettHoary? (sorry if I get annoying...but this is my first attempt at a non-windows OS...)06:36
froustHas anyone had problems with the update today breaking things?06:36
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froustBobafett: the unstable version of ubuntu06:36
YomicUnstable :o?06:37
crimsunfroust: what sort of breakage?06:37
froustmy sound no longer works06:37
froustand it removed my gnome-games06:37
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crimsunfroust: "sound no longer works"?06:37
froustyeah06:37
froustno sound device detected06:37
Bobafettahhhhh really? I think I'm running warty-something06:37
rricheanyone know a repository that would have gtk2-engines-dev or where i would begin looking?06:37
froustor something to that effect.06:37
frousti was using esd06:37
crimsunfroust: are you in gnome currently?06:37
thoreauputicBobafett: type   ` cat /etc/issue ` in a terminal to find out06:38
froustyes.06:38
crimsunfroust: System>Preferences>Sound, uncheck Enable sound server at startup06:38
thoreauputicwithout the back quotes of course06:38
BobafettThanks, thoreauputic! let's see...06:38
froustokay.06:38
froustand restart x?06:39
crimsunfroust: now log off and make sure you Save session settings06:39
BobafettUbuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog...06:39
Dr_willisHmm.. On TV - a 9 year old girl stole the Faimley Car.06:39
froustokeydokes.06:39
bestadvocatehey has anyone else been getting alot of crashes on firefox/thunderbird in hoary?06:39
Bobafetthence, no TNT2 support. Bummer.06:39
rrichemy synaptic package manager does not list gtk2-engines-dev.. anyone know a repository?06:39
Dr_williswonder what HEr insurance rates will be when she turns 1806:39
thoreauputicOK Bobafett, that's the "stable" release06:39
froust"no volume control or device elements found"06:40
crimsunfroust: excellent.06:40
rrichehrrm06:40
rrichei see... i think it's searching the cd-rom for it.06:40
YomicWha can't I get Firefox to run this .jnlp file?06:40
Bobafettso, I cant get my tnt2 running in warty??06:40
crimsunfroust: now go back to Sound and check that box that you just unchecked06:40
Bobafettohhh bummer...06:40
froustokay.06:40
thoreauputicBobafett: I think crypticreignwas saying it *is* supported in warty06:40
froustand relog?06:40
crimsunfroust: no06:40
froustwith save current setup?06:40
thoreauputicoops  crimsun06:40
rricheohhh06:40
crimsunfroust: System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector06:41
thoreauputiclazy tab complete...06:41
rrichegtk2-engines-dev is hoary only?06:41
BobafettI guess its not as simple as downloading the linux detonators from nvidia...right?06:41
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crimsunfroust: Audio>Default Sink>ESD>Test06:41
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rricheis there an alternative of gtk2-engines-dev for warty?06:41
froustfailed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD"06:41
thoreauputicBobafett: read http://ubuntuguide.org06:41
YomicBobafett: I'm a noob too. Welcome to the club :D06:41
crimsunfroust: pgrep polypaudio06:41
BobafettWindows corrupted me oh so long ago...06:42
thoreauputicBobafett: and search ubuntulinux.org as well06:42
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BobafettIve been browsing ubuntulinix.org06:42
froustfrom command line?06:42
Bobafettbut havent found anything concerning TNT2 PCIs...06:42
crimsunfroust: yes06:42
BobafettWill do, though...thanks for all the help, guys06:42
froustnothing06:42
thoreauputicBobafett: binary drivers howto06:43
bestadvocateanyone else running AMD 64?06:43
Bobafettchecking ASAP....thanks thoreauputic!06:43
crimsunfroust: that command returned nothing, no number?06:43
froustnothing.06:43
crimsunfroust: dpkg -l polypaudio|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'06:43
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froustno packages found matching polpaudio06:44
froustpolypaudio rather06:44
Karlachello I'm a complete newb to linux and I'm having trouble getting my network card to work06:44
crimsunfroust: please run: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade06:44
bestadvocateKarlac, land or air?06:45
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froustit's working at it.06:45
froustwhat does that do?06:45
Karlaci installed ubuntu on my laptop and i can't get either card the land or the wifi card to work06:45
crimsunfroust: updates your system to the latest available packages in Hoary06:45
frousti just did an update - that's what broke everything :|06:46
thoreauputicBobafett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto06:46
Karlacunder the device manager it seems to recognize them but doesn't do anything else06:46
crimsunfroust: an update should not break anything06:46
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crimsunfroust: that only refreshes the package and source listings06:46
frousti know06:46
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froustthat's what confused me06:46
bestadvocateodd, did you check out the wiki pages?06:47
froustit removed my gnome-games too06:47
rricheoh yah.. this clearlooks is the rox06:47
rriche:)06:47
bestadvocatefroust: did that to me too06:47
froustweird06:47
froustcrimsun: that's done. should i relog?06:47
bestadvocatealso messed up firefox/thunderbird06:47
Karlacthe wiki pages are confusing for me to navigate that's why i'm here :)06:47
froustmy firefox seems to be working06:48
bestadvocatekarlac: you need someone who knows what their talking about06:48
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crimsunfroust: if it's finished, yes, log out and back in, and remember to enable the sound server via System>Preferences>Sound after you log back in06:48
blaaaim about to go from windows to ubuntu and seeing that theres a new version coming out ina month or two...thats not gonna be any kind or problem to update it is it?06:48
bestadvocatefroust: seems to crash randomly on me06:49
froustshould i disable it before i log out?06:49
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Dr_willisblaaa,  updates should go smoothley06:49
blaaak06:49
froustbrb.06:50
Dr_willisthats somthing that ubuntu works on  :P to make updates easy.06:50
blaaaanyone know anything about ubuntu and an onboard raid that i wanna set up?06:50
blaaapossible under unbuntu?06:50
blaaathey are sata also...06:50
Dr_willisblaaa,  the installer sees my raid.. i THINK i could just install to it. SATA raid. :p06:50
Bobafettthoreauputic, i entered the syntax at the command line, but it says the package is not available...i assume i have to download it...but where do i save stuff? -for future reference, i guess xD-06:50
Dr_willisbut thats where my windows is at.. so i got a IDE drive just for Ubuntui06:50
blaaak06:50
Dr_willisit showed up as 3 scsi devices06:51
Dr_willis#3 was the raid i think06:51
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froustcrimsun: nada.06:51
froustit starts 3 instances of gaim now when i login though06:51
thoreauputicBobafett: are you using the package manager? (synaptic)? Have you read the howto on that?06:51
blaaawill a sata raid (stiped) see any performance boost?06:52
Dr_willisshould but proberly nto real noticeable06:52
blaaayea thats what i thought06:52
blaaamight as well use it i guess :D06:52
Dr_willisive only noticed my RAID giveing me a big boost in loading LARGE files.. Like Game Maps and so forth.06:52
thoreauputicBobafett: don't just randomly download stuff - this isn't windows any more ;-)06:53
froustcrimsun: should i install polypaudio?06:53
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sacha__hi06:53
thoreauputichttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto   <<< Bobafett06:53
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sacha__anyone know a good gnome messenger?06:53
thoreauputicgaim06:54
blaaagaim06:54
Bobafettohhhhhh i miss windows already...this is gonna take a while to get used to...06:54
sacha__yea - well - i don't like gaim :S is there a list anywhere?06:54
crimsunfroust: yes, you most definitely need polypaudio.06:54
thoreauputicBobafett: read the links I gave you: your sources need to be configured and reloaded etc06:54
froustokay. also, my games depends on a package, but htat package isn't going to be installed06:55
froustthis happened before... i'm not sure why.06:55
bestadvocatewhat is GDB and can i use it to get error reports for firefox?06:55
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froustthe latest versions are off by x.x.106:55
thoreauputicBobafett: and once you get going you won't miss windows any more06:55
thoreauputic:)06:55
sacha__i want something similar to trillian - i believe there is no linux version of trillian...06:55
blaaaome more question and ill get outta you guys' hair...can i use fluxbox in ubuntu?06:55
blaaais it in the universe package thingy?06:55
thoreauputicblaaa: yes you can (I do)06:56
frousti'm installing all polypaudio packages.06:56
blaaapwefect06:56
blaaatnx guys06:56
frouststill nothing06:57
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Bobafettthoreauputic, how much time does the average human need to learn all this stuff? *blush*06:57
Blackice1963lol06:57
thoreauputicBobafett: *grin* I remeber the feeling06:58
thoreauputicBobafett: it gets easier06:58
BROKEN_LADDERi'm trying to use grip to rip a cd, but it says "unable to initialize /dev/cdrom"06:58
crimsunfroust: you have to start polypaudio...06:58
froustcrimsun: how do i do that?06:58
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: well, does /dev/cdrom exist?06:58
BROKEN_LADDERi don't see a "cdrom" in /dev, but when i used to use slackare, grip worked fine.06:58
goldfishIs there a command one can run in a terminal to take a screenshot?06:58
BROKEN_LADDERnope.  why the hell would that be?06:58
crimsunfroust: execute polypaudio in a terminal06:58
BROKEN_LADDERgoldfish:  yes06:58
Dr_willis - dev/cdrom is normally a link to the ACTUAL device.06:59
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crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: ls /etc/udev/rules.d/06:59
froustit's already running06:59
BROKEN_LADDERoh..gotcha.06:59
thoreauputicBobafett: you are now a member of the Open Source community: it's a different country with different customs ;-)06:59
froustnow the esd thing can test, but no sound comes out06:59
BROKEN_LADDERokay.  there's udev.rules06:59
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goldfishBROKEN_LADDER: What is it? :)06:59
crimsunfroust: so...unmute?06:59
frousthow?07:00
crimsunfroust: volume control, or alsamixer07:00
froustwhen i try to launch volume control it says no volume control elements and/or devices found07:00
Bobafettthoreauputic > ohhhh i feel a bit like alice...tumbling down the rabbit hole... LOL07:01
BROKEN_LADDERgoldfish:  i don' remember.  try google for it.  it's like..capture or something like that.07:01
crimsunfroust: cat /proc/asound/modules07:01
mlambieafter a software suspend on my thinpad r40, / gets mounted readonly. can anyone help me out with that?07:01
goldfishBROKEN_LADDER: cheers07:01
froust0 snd_intel8x007:01
froustthat's it.07:01
BROKEN_LADDERmmhmm07:01
thoreauputicBobafett: hehe - reading is the first step - and http://google.com/linux is your friend07:02
Blackice1963can i apt-get install xine dvd player ??????07:02
goldfishyes07:02
crimsunfroust: is gstreamer-properties configured to use esd?07:02
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Bobafetthttp://google.com/linux ??????????07:02
frousti don't know.07:02
BobafettOMG first time ever i hear about THAT07:02
BobafettLOL07:02
Bobafettwhat windows does to us...07:03
frousthow would i configure it to use esd or alsa?07:03
bob2Blackice1963: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats07:03
thoreauputicBobafett: it even has a penguin ;-) have a look ...07:03
Blackice1963ok07:03
bob2froust: the gnome volume control uses alsa by default07:04
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froustbob2: i don't think mine is.07:04
thoreauputicBobafett: is this your first day in Linux?07:04
frousthow could i set it up for alsa?07:04
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BrunellusI'm tearing my hair out!07:04
_phate_Does anyone know how to get a Serial Mouse to work in Ubuntu?07:04
BROKEN_LADDERhow can i find out which device my cdrom is?07:04
froustBobafett: try ubuntuguide.org - i found it to be fairly helpful07:05
Brunellusndiswrapper wont' build07:05
BrunellusI followed every bloody step on the ndiswrapper howto, and it won't build the debian way07:05
Brunelluswhen I built it from source the other night, it worked.  but it promptly quit working when I did a kernel-update07:05
BROKEN_LADDERno kidding.07:05
BROKEN_LADDERBrunellus:  join the club.07:06
froustHow can I configure gstreamer?07:06
Brunellusso I wiped, reinstalled, and decided to try from nothing The Right Way07:06
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Bobafettyep, first day with *nix07:06
thoreauputicBrunellus: because yo built against the old kernel07:06
Brunellusand now, having done everything "right" so that ndiswrapper will surivive another kernel update07:06
Bobafettactually, first day out of Bill Gates' grip xD07:06
bob2froust: it is07:06
Brunellusthoreauputic:  I *shouldn't* have built against the old kernel07:06
bob2Brunellus: you don't need to build it07:06
_phate_How do I setup in a Serial Mouse?07:06
froustthen why isn't my sound working?07:06
Brunellusbecause there is NO NEW KERNEL.  I wiped an reinstalled from the warty install cd07:07
bob2_phate_: stop repeating, I'll answer in a moment07:07
thoreauputicBobafett: welcome :)07:07
_phate_sorry07:07
bob2Brunellus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper07:07
Brunellusbob2:  did that07:07
bob2Brunellus: and?07:07
Brunellusto the *letter*07:07
_phate_didn't know someone saw me, ^_^07:07
Brunellusand "invalid module type"07:07
bob2building ndiswrapper yourself only makes it harder07:07
BROKEN_LADDERwarty?  use hoary.07:07
bob2Brunellus: what does 'uname -r' say? modinfo on the file?07:07
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: dude, can you not recommend people who have trouble with waryt use hoary, unless you're going to give them your phone number?07:08
BROKEN_LADDER?07:08
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BROKEN_LADDERhoary is newer.07:08
bob2_phate_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, tell it to use /dev/ttyS0 as the mouse device07:08
crimsunfroust: pgrep polypaudio07:08
sacha__yea but hoary is alpha07:08
BROKEN_LADDERwhat?!07:08
bob2froust: what error does alsamixer give?07:08
BROKEN_LADDERi thought hoary was out.07:08
Brunellushang on07:09
bob2no07:09
Brunellusgotta go up two flights to check07:09
BROKEN_LADDERmy bad.07:09
bob2shockingly, it's 6 month release cycle hasn't finished four months after warty07:09
sacha__lol07:09
BROKEN_LADDERnow can someone please tell me how to find out which /dev entry is for my cdrom?07:09
sacha__it's only in array 5 :( as scheduled07:09
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: you can't in general07:09
Brunelluswithout ndiswrapper, the box has no connectivity.  I've been working on this since...oh...um...1500h and it's now 010807:09
BobafettOk, guys...one final question, and then I guess Im on my own xD07:09
BROKEN_LADDERi just started using ubunt..i don't know the release daes.07:09
BROKEN_LADDERdates07:09
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: assuming /dev/cdrom is broken07:09
BROKEN_LADDERcan't?07:09
BobafettIf I wanna install software...do I have to do it via synaptic too?07:09
BROKEN_LADDERwhat does it normally begin with?07:10
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: you're missing the cd-aliases.rules07:10
Blackice1963no07:10
crimsunsymlink07:10
BROKEN_LADDERlike my hard drive is hdx07:10
bob2Bobafett: you don't "have" to do anything, but you that's the normal way07:10
thoreauputicBobafett: you're not on your own - there are thousands of people who can help :)07:10
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: and your IDE cdrom is hdx, too07:10
Blackice1963aapt-get07:10
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mlambiesuspend test07:10
BobafettOk...then, Synaptic it is i guess xD07:10
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: cd /etc/udev/rules.d/ && sudo ln -s ../cd-aliases.rules .07:10
BobafettThanks everyone!!!07:10
BROKEN_LADDERhow could i be missing it if i didn't delete it?07:10
bob2crimsun: is that a known bug?07:10
BROKEN_LADDERwhy would i need to use sudo?  i'm root.07:10
crimsunbob2: it's hit and miss, unfortunately07:10
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thoreauputicBobafett: synaptic will ensure you get all dependencies and don't have to run in circles07:11
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: then don't use sudo07:11
bob2obviously07:11
BROKEN_LADDERheh07:11
Brunellus2.6.8.1-3-38607:11
Brunellusthat's what uname gives me07:11
sacha__gives me Linux07:11
BROKEN_LADDERcd-aliases.rules -> ../cd-aliases.rules07:11
Dr_willistry uname -a :P07:11
bob2Brunellus: and when you run 'modprobe ndiswrapper'?07:11
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: after you create the symlink, /etc/init.d/udev restart07:12
bob2sacha__: uname -r.07:12
BROKEN_LADDERcreate which symlink?07:12
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Brunellus"invalid module type"07:12
froustwell07:12
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: the cd-aliases.rules one07:12
BROKEN_LADDERoh..i might have removed udev from svcs07:12
BROKEN_LADDERi have it.07:12
frousti think that i've just run into a bizarre update bug07:12
BROKEN_LADDERit exists07:12
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: er07:12
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: that will break things07:12
frousti'll just wait for the next update07:12
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bob2surprisingly07:12
punkasshello07:12
froustbob2, crimsun; thanks for your help07:12
BrunellusI'm furious.07:12
sacha__ok uname -r gives me 2.6.10-3-amd64-generic07:13
BrunellusI'm running 2.6.8-3-386;  this shouldn't be impossible07:13
_phate_Should I turn on Kernel Framebuffer interface?07:13
BROKEN_LADDERwhat on earth?!  i set the permissions on /etc/rc2.d/samba to -x and now it's back to +x07:13
BROKEN_LADDER>:(07:13
punkassanyone know what the deal is with the windowlist panel jamming all the window icons together...running hoary07:13
BrunellusI built ndiswrapper from the tarballs myself a few days ago and that ran first time, no big deal07:14
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Brunellusso then I find out that if I ever apt-get upgrade-dist, it will break ndiswrapper, and I woul dhave to recompile07:14
MacaqueHi there!07:14
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Brunellusno big deal;  I recompile, right?  and nothing.  I try it The Debian Way, and still the same invalid bloody module type07:15
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: it's a symlink, dude07:15
thoreauputicBrunellus: well, if the kernel changes, yes07:15
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: if you want to disable it from starting, delete the S symlink for it from /etc/rc2.d07:15
goldfishMacaque: hello07:15
Brunellusthoreauputic:  so why is this not building right even if I'm using the kernel that buitl right in the first place?!07:15
bob2Brunellus: something else is going on07:15
BROKEN_LADDERi didn't know symlinks didn't have their own permissions.07:15
BrunellusI'll say.07:15
froustahh the joys of unstable.07:16
froustgoodnight all.07:16
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BROKEN_LADDERbob2:  okay i restarted udev, still no cdrom. :(07:16
Brunellusbob2:  I would have thought formatting & reinstalling from cd would have eliminated that possibility07:16
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: you're using hoary's udev package, correct?07:16
BrunellusI didn't--couldn't!--download any new packages during the isntatllation process07:16
thoreauputicBrunellus: 1. It worked before 2 It doesn't now 3 something else has changed (either from you or the system)07:16
BROKEN_LADDERi'm using hoary.07:17
Brunelluswhat has changed is that I didn't build it from the tarball on the ndiswrapper site07:17
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: ok07:17
bob2Brunellus: it's worked for thousands of other people, something is up on your system07:17
BROKEN_LADDERinterestingly, there's no samba link in rcS.d anymore.07:17
bob2I'm not even sure how  you could get that error without disc corruption or an old kernel07:17
MacaqueI'm trying to figure out a 802.11g adapter. I haven't found drivers for the ntegear wg111t after googling came up blank I thought I'd see if anyone here know if I'm outa luck07:17
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BROKEN_LADDERme?07:18
sacha__ok by default - it'll only let me choose 800x600 and 1024x768 from System menu, do i have to manually change xorg.conf?07:18
Macaquesorry netgear07:18
BROKEN_LADDERdist-upgrade offers me nothing new.07:18
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/cd-aliases.rules07:18
Brunellusis 2.6.8-3-386 old enough?07:18
thoreauputicBrunellus: There exists a possibility, however slight, that you have made an error ;-)07:18
QuaruptMy Lime wire GUI is hella buggy and crappy, i dunno if its my Lime wire or my Java07:18
BROKEN_LADDERlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 19 Mar  1 22:11 /etc/udev/rules.d/cd-aliases.rules -> ../cd-aliases.rules07:18
BROKEN_LADDERi never had problems with lw.07:18
BROKEN_LADDERand that was a year ago.07:18
Brunellusthoreauputic:  I'm trying to work out what the error is.  if I'm a bit irritable, ti's because I've been slowly cranking through every available option over the past few hours07:18
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thoreauputicBrunellus: yeah, I understand :)07:19
sacha__so does anyone know if i have to add the resolutions manually into xorg.conf?07:19
Brunelluswhat annoys me is that the other night, without consulting the "right" docs, I built ndiswrapper from tarballs and got it going with no problems07:20
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: after you restarted udev, does /dev/cdrom exist?07:20
BROKEN_LADDERwoah bob2  suddenly cdrom exists.07:20
BROKEN_LADDERit does now.. it didn't after restarting udev, but does now.07:20
Brunellusthat stayed up and stable for about a day and a half, before I had to power it down07:20
Brunellusin the meantime, I did an apt-get upgrade-dist07:20
Brunellusinitially, I thought the upgrade-dist broke things, and I needed to fix this07:20
BrunellusI decided to start over again, so I formatted the partition and reinstalled warty, fresh from CD07:21
_phate_I ran the reconfig tool, now do I just restart the system or just X?07:21
BrunellusI tried to install ndiswrapper according to the howto, and I receive the same error that I received *after* the upgrade-dist07:21
pussfellerwhats a good wireless card that works natively?07:22
Brunellusso the choice I'm faced with is wipe & reinstall *again,* and build it from the tarballs07:22
Brunellusknowing that if I ever apt upgrade, I'll be stuck with no connectivity07:23
Brunellusor learn to do it The Ubuntu Way and prevent breakage altogether by not having it run in the first place.07:23
_phate_pussfeller, iirc that any prism card will work.07:23
bob2an important thing to remember is that people don't have to randomly update every day07:23
bob2if it works, you can just leave it07:23
thoreauputicBrunellus: actually, you only get new kernels with dist-upgrade ; if you do apt-get upgrade the kernel will be held back07:24
BrunellusI did a dist-upgrade07:24
QuaruptIs there an easy way to uninstall JAva in Hoary?07:24
BrunellusI was following, to the letter, the ubuntu multimedia howto07:24
thoreauputicBrunellus: I realise that: but it isn't compulsory07:24
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BrunellusOK.  so I should just wipe and reinstall *agian,* the way I know how07:26
Brunellusand make sure the kernel is held back, since it supports all the hardware that I run on the machine anyway.07:26
Brunelluscorrect?07:26
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sacha__daniels ?07:27
thoreauputicBrunellus: that's one option - the other is to try and work out what the problem is. Up to you really07:27
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BrunellusI'm not that competent, thoreauputic.  I've tried everything I can get hold of, in terms of documentation & howtos on the subject07:28
danielssacha__: ?07:28
sacha__about that screen resolution problem - do i just manually add my resolution to xorg.conf?07:28
BrunellusI dont' even know where to begin.07:29
thoreauputicBrunellus: If your first attempt worked, I guess repeating that is the path of least resistance07:29
thoreauputicBrunellus: might be less stressful, anyway07:29
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BrunellusI've tried building from ndiswrapper-source and using the KSRC argument to point to the 2.6.8-1-386 headers07:29
soren9580anyone in here have any idea how to get around this error when i run ircd  "do not run ircd setuid root."07:30
Brunellusit built, it dpkg'd, but when I modprobe, same "invalid module type" error.07:30
cafuegoBrunellus: You should be able (in theory) to use make-kpkg from that kernel-headers directory.07:30
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cafuegosoren9580: Don't run it as root.07:30
Brunelluscafuego:  I hadn't heard that before.  I'm listening.07:30
cafuegoBrunellus: Hold on a moment.07:31
soren9580i figured as much07:31
soren9580but it says i dont have permission to run it07:31
soren9580when i run it not as root07:31
soren9580Fail: Cannot chdir(/usr/local/lib/ircd): Permission denied07:31
cafuegosoren9580: chown it to a special ircd user/group.07:31
soren9580ok07:32
soren9580so i need to add a user and group ircd?07:32
cafuegosoren9580: yep.07:32
soren9580and i do that with adduser?07:32
soren9580and modifying /etc/group?07:32
cafuegoBrunellus: Is the ndiswrapepr stuff in /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper ?07:32
cafuegosoren9580: yep07:32
soren9580ok07:32
Brunelluscafuego:  yes.07:32
cafuegosoren9580: it'll automatically add the group07:32
soren9580ok07:32
soren9580once i've added the user07:32
cafuegoBrunellus: ok, cd to the kernel headers dir under /usr/src07:33
soren9580i log in as ircd and start it that way07:33
Brunelluscafuego: you'll have to give me several steps at a time07:33
Brunellusthe affected computer is up two flights of stairs07:33
Brunellusand can't be brought down07:33
cafuegosoren9580: No, once you add the user/group, you chown the ircd files to that user/group.07:33
cafuegoBrunellus: Can you be brought up, though?07:34
Brunelluscafuego:  I can go up, but then I can't talk to you07:34
danielssacha__: yeah, in the Modes lines07:34
Brunellusthis is the only working internet connection in the house, at the moment.  the toher one was the upstairs computer, which connects via wlan07:34
Brunelluswhich is now in an advanced state of non-function07:35
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cafuegoBrunellus: Ok :-)  After you cd, run 'make-kpkg modules-image'  (make sure 'kernel-package' is installed) and then run dpkg -i to install the deb that is generated. That should be all there is to it.07:35
Brunelluscafuego:  that'll be before I make the ndiswrapper-modules deb, right?07:36
cafuegoShit07:36
cafuegoBrunellus: make-kpkg will create the deb for you.07:36
sacha__yea daniels - i added them - i guess i have to restart xorg for them to appear - but i was just wondering about depths - shouldn't 32 be there?07:37
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Brunellusok.07:37
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kpnemohi all07:37
kpnemocan somebody help me07:37
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kpnemoi have problem with libid3tag007:38
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MacaqueNo hope getting a Netgear wg111t 802.11g adapter working with debian?07:38
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Tarkusyo, how do i access my floppy drive??07:39
TomArayaTarkus, computer - disk - floppy1 isn't working for you?07:39
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TarkusTomAraya: there is no floppy107:39
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TomArayaOh. :P07:40
Tarkusmaybe its cloop?07:40
Tarkuscloop007:40
Tarkuslol, it doesnt work anyways07:40
thoreauputicno07:40
Blackice1963lol07:40
kpnemoso anyone ???07:41
thoreauputicTarkus: in a terminal, type ` cat /etc/fstab ` and see if there's a reference to /dev/fd0 or similar (your floppy)07:41
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Tarkusthoreauputic: kk, ill try that, thnx07:41
thoreauputicTarkus: should be in there (if not, it will ahve to be added)07:42
thoreauputic*have07:42
thoreauputicTarkus: but you should be able to do it graphically as TomAraya described07:42
Gor1Anyone wanna let me bounce a repository question off them?07:42
thoreauputicGor1: just ask - if someone knows they'll help07:43
Gor1I think I am missing something with synaptic07:43
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Gor1I made the edit's that are suggested on ubuntuguide.org07:44
Gor1however I am not really seeing any changes as far as new versions of software go?07:44
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thoreauputicGor1: did you hit the reload button after the changes?07:44
Gor1For instance, Gaim is now releasing 1.1.4, however Synaptic still shows 1.0.0.  Is this to be expected?07:45
thoreauputicyes07:45
TomArayaGor1, *nod*07:45
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thoreauputicGor1: warty is "stable" - ie new versions will not be added07:45
mlambiefitzy: yo fitzy07:45
thoreauputicGor1: except for security updates07:45
thoreauputicGor1: the next "stable" release is in April07:46
Gor1I added several entries that include unstable, and backports.  I was led to believe that those would contain more "bleeding" edge versions of the apps07:46
thoreauputicGor1: some apps, yes07:47
Blackice1963is it going to be kde07:47
thoreauputicnot all07:47
Gor1however I guess my ASSumptions was incorrect.  :-)07:47
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Myrttihellou.07:47
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MyrttiWould you happen to know an easy way of getting Citrix-connection to work?07:47
Gor1Ok, well confirmation for me is all I really need.07:47
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Myrttiis there a good software for that?07:48
thoreauputicGor1: if you want to be up-to-the  minute, dist-upgrade to hoary07:48
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MyrttiI tried Citrix's own, but failed to get it working07:48
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thoreauputicGor1: but if it breaks "you get to keep *both* pieces"07:48
TomArayathoreauputic, I was able to access the content of a floppy by using a command that you gave me at an earlier date, that command being sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt. When I right click on one of the files that appears in the 'mnt' window under gnome, is it normal for that file to disappear?07:48
TomArayaI'm trying to copy a resume so I can edit it, but I'm having no luck.07:48
TomArayaDragging and dropping not working, copying and pasting, and right clicking makes it disappear.07:49
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sacha__this is going to sound very stupid - but how do you delete a file? - i've tried man -k delete07:49
thoreauputicTomAraya: can you drag and drop it to another nautilus window?07:49
Gor1thoreauputic: any good links explaining how to do a dist upgrade?  I am willing to give 'er a shot07:49
thoreauputicsacha__: rm ,filename>07:49
sacha__ok thx07:49
TomArayathoreauputic: I was just trying to drag it to the desktop, I'll try what you suggested.07:49
thoreauputicsorry  rm <filename> where filename is the file07:49
sacha__should have tried man -k remove :|07:50
TomArayathoreauputic, that doesn't seem to work either.07:50
thoreauputicTomAraya: in theory it should drag to the desktop - desktop is a directory in nautilus07:50
thoreauputicTomAraya: hmm07:50
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rambo[VOTE]  1) Helen keller can indeed fly 2) Helen keller can't fly ||| 1 or 2!!!!07:51
rambo107:51
thoreauputicTomAraya: do you know what the permissions are on that file?07:51
TomArayathoreauputic, you would think. But as I said, when right clicking on a file it disappears (all files are appearing initially though) and when attempting to drag and drop it doesn't work.. and OpenOffice doesn't recognize it.07:51
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thoreauputicTomAraya: can you see it with ls -l in the /mnt directory ?07:52
TomArayaUm. No, I'm not sure how to do find that out other than right click it or ls it in bash, but I don't know how to access it in bash07:52
Myrttino help for me?07:52
thoreauputiccd /mnt07:52
thoreauputicthen ls -l filename07:52
Deviant_anyone have any Idea why I can't connect to DHCP to obtain a ip for my wireless? DHCP works fine for the ethernet just not wireless.07:52
EndGamealright07:52
EndGamei got ubuntu installed on a machine, and im VERY impressed07:52
thoreauputicTomAraya: if that outputs something, show me the output line07:53
EndGamebut07:53
EndGamethe networking card isnt working07:53
sacha__ok so there is no way to delete a non-empty directory?07:53
EndGamehow do i get back into the setup program to install it07:53
thoreauputicsacha__: yes there is07:53
sacha__how?07:53
TomArayahmm.. cd /mnt07:53
TomArayabash: cd: /mnt: Permission denied07:53
TomAraya $ sudo cd /mnt07:53
TomArayaPassword:07:53
TomArayasudo: cd: command not found07:53
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Deviant_the networking card is working fine .07:54
thoreauputicsacha__: what are you trying to delete, and are you doing it in a terminal?07:54
Deviant_it detects networks07:54
Deviant_and network signal icon has strenth07:54
sacha__yes i;m trying to delete a folder which has about 50 files and folders within it07:54
EndGameevidently not, i had it plugged in and all, even got some errors on bootup07:54
thoreauputicTomAraya: what does ls -l /mnt say?07:54
sacha__in a terminal, yes07:54
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goldfishsacha__: rm -rf dir07:54
goldfishin a terminal07:54
sacha__ok07:54
pmawhinneyhow can I access the action variable folder_url in a template?07:54
bestadvocatei feel like such an ass07:55
thoreauputicsacha__:  rm -rf nameofdirectory (but be sure - it won't ask for confirmation)07:55
BrunellusOK.  that's it.07:55
bestadvocatei replied to the bugzill daemon without thinking about it07:55
BrunellusI'm going to wipe and go to the last way I knew how07:55
Brunellusand I wont' apt-dist on this machine any more.07:55
Brunelluser07:55
Brunellusthat machine07:55
sacha__yes rm -rf dir worked as in there was no error, but the dir is still there07:56
BrunellusI overreached:  all I wanted was stability.  oh well.07:56
goldfishsacha__: em07:56
goldfishsacha__: should not be :)07:56
MyrttiHello, I'm searching a good and easy way of connecting to a ICA Citrix-connection on Ubuntu Hoary. I've already tried their own software, but failed to get it working, so is there another way of doing it?07:56
goldfishsacha__: What is the dir?07:56
Brunellusthank you all for your patience all through this afternoon/evening.07:56
Brunellusgoodnight.07:56
sacha__just a dir i created called moderts07:56
goldfishnn07:56
goldfishsacha__: k07:56
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bestadvocategmail is great have some invite cake07:57
goldfishhaha07:57
sacha__btw it deleted all the files, but not the dir - i tried using -d and it's still there07:57
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goldfishsacha__: try rmdir dir07:58
mlambieFYI, you can download the old xchat black theme (as used in warty) from here: http://xchat.org/files/themes/blacktheme.zip07:58
sacha__ok that worked07:58
goldfishweird07:58
goldfishthought rm -rf deleted anything07:58
bestadvocateI think I should retrain myself in BitchX07:59
goldfishno07:59
goldfishbestadvocate: use irssi07:59
sacha__thx07:59
goldfishbestadvocate: :)07:59
bestadvocateyou guys getting firefox crashing?07:59
Blackice1963no07:59
thoreauputicbestadvocate: no07:59
goldfishi did once07:59
goldfishwhen i had the acroreader plugin open08:00
Blackice1963how08:00
goldfishi pressed back08:00
bestadvocateits been happening frequently and randomly08:00
goldfishand it closed08:00
thoreauputicone crash in two weeks...08:00
goldfishonly time it crashed for me08:00
bestadvocateit was very stable till i updated my system today08:00
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Blackice1963i have flash j2re in08:01
sacha__only problem i'm having with firefox is that they bring up these popups alerting you with a tickbox saying to tick here if you want to receive alerts but you actually have to tick there to stop alerts08:01
mlambiei don't like the firefox theme that comes with hoary - can i install the standard theme that ships with normal firefox?08:02
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AtrophyHey Hey Hey08:02
Atrophyhow's everybody doing?08:02
goldfishfine08:02
bestadvocatemlambie: is that really nessecarry its like 50kbs of space,08:03
AtrophyI just reinstalled Hoary, and it "worked" but the update manager and Synaptic can't do anything08:03
Atrophywhen you click "Apply" it just exits08:03
Atrophydid they change where the packages are at?08:03
Blackice1963lol08:04
EndGamehow do i install a new networking card08:04
mlambiei don't want to free up space, it's about how it looks (bestadvocate)08:04
sacha__hmm i'm trying to make these ati drivers and it says: not found or incomplete file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h08:05
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Atrophysacha__ ... LOL if it's the GATOS ATI drivers... give up all hope right now.08:05
sacha__gatos? it's from ati.com08:06
AtrophySeriously... I've been trying to get the damned things to work for two years now08:06
Atrophyok you're making the atifglx ones then08:06
Atrophynevermind08:06
sacha__yes08:06
QuaruptWHAT, hoary doesnt auto-mount thumb drives!!!!08:07
Quaruptim going back to Warty08:07
mebaran151Quarupt, does for me08:07
sacha__so do i just move version.g to that directory?08:07
mebaran151might just be buggy08:07
QuaruptWarty was doing it just fine08:07
mebaran151yeah08:07
mebaran151but you know08:07
mebaran151development means break what works and fix what doesnt08:07
jdubQuarupt: welcome to the development branch. expect bugs.08:07
Atrophylol08:07
Quaruptfuck, i have HW on that disk i need to turn in now, i dunno how to mount it manually08:07
mebaran151oh08:08
mebaran151what kind of disk is it08:08
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mebaran151a usb flash drive08:08
Quarupti dun even know the fs type08:08
Quaruptya08:08
mebaran151ok08:08
AtrophyEvery new complicated system that doesn't work is found to have evolved from a simpler one that worked just fine.08:08
mebaran151it is going to be vfat08:08
Quarupti think its fat1608:08
mebaran151ok08:08
mebaran151do you know what the system sees it as08:08
mebaran151probably scsi08:08
Quaruptsda08:08
mebaran151ok08:08
Atrophyscsi=system can't see it08:08
mebaran151hmmm08:08
mebaran151my scsi firewire drive is seen fine08:09
Quaruptit a 1 GB08:09
mebaran151dont matter08:09
mebaran151go to media08:09
mebaran151do you see any dirs08:09
Quaruptoh wait here it comes08:09
mebaran151oh08:09
Quaruptlol08:09
mebaran151so it mounted08:09
Quaruptit just doesnt make an icon like warty does08:09
mebaran151ok08:09
Quaruptit put it in places08:09
mebaran151you can turn that on08:09
sacha__pacman (6x)          - simulates a game of Pac-Man on a randomly-created level. woot i'll be here for days08:09
Atrophyheheheh08:09
mebaran151jdub, how do you reenable that08:09
mebaran151and jdub, how do you set sawfish to be my window manager08:10
Quaruptthere is no prgram to open mdb? what about open office?08:10
Atrophyok seriously, people... why is my Hoary update manager suddenly not working?08:10
mebaran151I did it the ghetto way08:10
mebaran151killing metacity08:10
Atrophyit says it can't find the repositories08:10
mebaran151loading sawfish08:10
mebaran151and saving the config08:10
Atrophybut unless they moved them in the last two days or so...08:10
mebaran151but is there a more elegant way rather than doing a kill08:10
mebaran151Atrophy, mine works on 64 bit08:10
mebaran151hmmm08:11
mebaran151what does your source list look like08:11
mebaran151go to #flood and paste it08:11
Quaruptwhats the openoffice answer to access?08:11
Atrophyit's all the standard ones except I enabled universe and multiverse and got rid of the CD08:11
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punkassanyone know why all the window icons in the windowlist panel get squished to one side?08:11
AtrophyI'm currently reinstalling because I tried MEPIS, although I couldn't get MEPIS to install right...08:11
QuaruptAnyone know if any office apps can open Microcrap access files?08:12
Atrophywhich sucks, cause MEPIS sounds awesome...08:12
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sacha__kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include do not match current kernel. they are versioned as "2.6.0-test7" instead of "2.6.10-3-amd64-generic". you might need to adjust your symlinks:08:12
AtrophyOpenOffice can08:12
sacha__what is a symlink?08:12
pauldaoustsacha__: oh boy, I wanna answer that one08:12
Quaruptwhich openoffice app?08:12
Quaruptthe math one?08:12
Atrophyany of them if memory serves08:13
pauldaoustsacha__: it's like what Windows calls a shortcut, only it works better :)08:13
Atrophyumm wait... access files08:13
pauldaoustsacha__: stands for 'symbolic link'08:13
Atrophyumm I'm not sure about the access files08:13
punkasshmm i dont think so...maybe the new database app in openoffice 2.0 (1.9.xx08:13
Atrophyall the other formats can be opened by Open Office though LOL08:13
sacha__so how do i create a symlink between /usr/include and /usr/src/linux? :)08:13
Quaruptfuck08:13
Quarupti need to do access project for my CS class due in like 20 mins08:14
Atrophyhaha...08:14
Quarupti have most of it done08:14
Atrophyfind a windoze computer qwik!08:14
Quaruptyea right cheap college students cant afford the office suite08:14
pauldaoustsacha__: actually, I don't think you want to do that... I think you want to symlink /usr/src/linux-2.6.0-test7 to /usr/src/linux08:14
pauldaoustsacha__: can you tell me the contents of your /usr/src directory?08:15
AtrophyI'm a college student nad I have office...08:15
Atrophy*and08:15
Atrophyanyways what do you have to do in access?08:15
pauldaoustheh, you said 'nad'08:15
pauldaoust^_^08:15
sacha__2 dirs, linux and rpm08:15
Quaruptyea but this is the cheap dorms08:15
Blackice1963lol08:15
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Quarupta project08:15
pauldaoustsacha__: that's it, eh?08:15
Atrophyand you can't tell me nobody on your floor has office08:15
Atrophygo knock on doors until one of them does08:16
punkassQuarupt: looks like it does all formats but access08:16
sacha__yep and i just created the dir linux/include/linux08:16
Atrophyhell... go knock on doors in the girls dorms08:16
Atrophygood way to meet new hotties08:16
Quaruptwhat about star office?08:16
Quaruptits a coed dorm08:16
pauldaoustsacha__: if you go "ls -l /usr/src" what shows up then? the 'linux' line should look weird, with an arrow pointing to the name of another directory.08:16
Atrophywell there you go then...08:16
punkassAdabasD,dbase, mysql,odbc, spreadsheed, text08:16
Quarupttrust me i know everyone on my floor this is my 3rd year08:16
Quaruptits an mdb file08:16
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sacha__pauldaoust: it has the directories 'linux' and 'rpm' in blue08:17
lunitikAtrophy: also a few new stalkers...  :(08:17
Atrophylol08:17
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Atrophyhey... if the girls wanna stalk him, so much the better!08:17
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pauldaoustsacha__: sea blue, or more of a sapphire? :)08:18
pauldaoust(yes, it does matter)08:18
Deviant_somehere have there wlan setup?08:18
sacha__pauldaoust: lol sea blue08:18
Deviant_need to check something08:18
pauldaoustsacha__: I forget what sea means, one sec :)08:18
Atrophyanyways seriously somebody pull up your repositories list and tell me where all your URLs point to08:18
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punkasshmm it says it can access and access database...let me try08:19
lunitikAtrophy: I just have 'deb http://archives.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse'08:19
punkassand = an08:19
Atrophyok08:19
AtrophyI have us.archives... so that's what the difference is08:19
AtrophyI wonder why it's doing that...08:20
lunitikAtrophy: others can be found in the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) ... but don't really need any of them  :/08:20
Atrophycause that's what it did by default :-(08:20
pauldaoustsacha__: hum. you say both 'linux' and 'rpm' are in that ugly seafoam blue colour, not that lovely dark blue?08:20
da_bon_bonhi all08:20
sacha__pauldaoust: it's bordering on light and dark blue - sort of in the middle08:20
lunitikAtrophy: us.archives is actually what I'm using technically... it redirects and stuff08:20
da_bon_bonam i alive ?08:20
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lunitikda_bon_bon: nope08:20
pauldaoustsacha__: but it doesn't have an arrow after it, when you go "ls -l"?08:21
Atrophyok it's almost finished installing... hopefully it'll work this time08:21
Atrophyhey has anyone else had trouble installing MEPIS?08:21
pauldaoustsacha__: hm, that's weird.. what's weirder is that I never noticed I have no /usr/src/linux directory myself.08:21
sacha__pauldaoust: no arrows at all just says 'total 8' up the top and then has the permissions, block size, date, etc..08:21
lunitikAtrophy: not really the place to ask that  :/08:21
mebaran151trying to use hdparm relates me an error08:21
mebaran151on sata_nv08:21
pauldaoustsacha__: I assume you've installed a kernel-sources package then?08:21
mebaran151aint hints as to how to fix this08:21
sacha__pauldaoust: it's straight off the cd - i just do regular updates08:22
pauldaoustsacha__: ah08:22
pauldaoustweird08:22
Atrophysure it's the place to ask that... we all mess around with different distros all the time08:22
Atrophyjust wondering if anyone else has had trouble with MEPIS08:22
Deviant_could someone with wireless check /etc/network/interfaces and paste to me whats in it.08:22
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pauldaoustsacha__: so what's giving this error? I came into the channel in the middle of what you were first saying?08:23
lunitikjdub: oh, btw, any reason you didn't include CleartypeHuman when you packaged clearlooks?08:23
lunitikClearlooksHuman *08:23
sacha__pauldaoust: oh when i try to make.sh some ati drivers they say it needs version.h08:23
pauldaoustsacha__: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...08:23
pauldaoustI um08:23
sacha__pauldaoust: so i created the dir where they wanted it to go08:23
pauldaoustsacha__: ah, I getcha08:23
Atrophyok this time I had it not try to update itself from the net08:24
pauldaoustsacha__: okay, here's what you need to do. Are you a newcomer to Debian and Ubuntu? (i.e., are you comfy installing packages through apt-get or Synaptic?)08:24
Atrophyanyways next question:  Once I add a new display manager(3Dwm), how do I add it to the Sessions dropdown on the graphical login?08:25
sacha__well i've had ubuntu for about a month - don't use it much though08:25
lunitikAtrophy: It should just appear... like magic and stuff08:25
Atrophyyeah, but it doesn't08:25
sacha__i just use apt-get08:25
lunitikAtrophy: heh... gah... not a Debian package?  :(08:26
AtrophyKDE didn't appear either08:26
sacha__pauldaust: what do i need to install?08:26
AtrophyI installed it using Synaptic08:26
Atrophyso it should've worked08:26
pauldaoustsacha__: okay. So what you want to do is rmdir /usr/src/linux and then install... let's see... one sec :)08:26
pauldaoustsacha__: you should try Synaptic in the 'Computer > System Configuration' menu. It's a real treat compared to apt-get.08:27
AtrophyI love it when things should work but they don't...08:27
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pauldaoustbest thing in the world, ain't it, Atrophy ^_^08:27
Atrophyyup08:27
pauldaoustseems to happen so often in the world of computers.08:27
pauldaousthey folks, I have weird load problems during periods of high disk usage... funny thing is that my load goes sky-high, but my processor usage barely budges. But my mouse skips and locks up, and I can't move windows, just as if the processor were at 100% usage. I think kswapd is spawning threads or something... yes, DMA is on; yes, I have a UDMA100 hard drive; yes, my cable has 80 conductors. ReiserFS, if anyone needs to know.08:27
sacha__pauldaust: where's the computer menu?08:27
AtrophyLOL and I love Linux... where everything works "in theory."08:27
pauldaoustsacha__: to the right of the Applications menu08:27
sacha__nvm it's in administration08:27
pauldaoust:)08:28
Blackice1963can you install kde ???????08:28
sacha__pauldaust: ok i'm there08:28
pauldaoustsacha__: administration? are you sure you're using Ubuntu? ;)08:28
sacha__pauldaust: yes08:28
Blackice1963wwith gnome08:28
lunitikBlackice1963:  sure08:28
sacha__pauldaust: Gnome->Administration->Synaptic with ubuntu array 4->508:28
sacha__pauldaust: System=gnome08:28
Blackice1963apt-get install kde08:29
Blackice1963ok08:29
pauldaoustsacha__: oh, you're using Hoary... I'm not there yet :)08:29
sacha__pauldaust: ;)08:29
Atrophyman I need to go to bed it's 1:30 and I have class at 908:30
pauldaoustgreat Scott, this apt update is taking ages to download... maybe I should cancel my torrents...08:30
Atrophybut LOL am I going to go?  No... I have to stay up and break my computer some more ;-)08:30
lunitikpauldaoust: pretty stable right now considering its a devel branch... hell, even if it weren't08:30
pauldaoust(one of which happens to be Hoary array 5)08:30
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lunitikpauldaoust: I prefer the daily snapshots... find the most recent with no issues on your arch, then you don't have to upgrade so much post-install  :P08:31
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pauldaoustlunitik: cool stuff. I'm using chunks of Hoary... mostly programs that were stale in Warty, like jack, screem, ardour, python, Firefox, etc...08:31
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pauldaoustlunitik: how do daily snapshots work? do you mean just daily updates through apt?08:31
Atrophyehh spending 5 hours upgrading post install is what it's all about!08:31
AtrophyIt gives you more time to get to know your loved ones!08:32
pauldaoustAtrophy: I don't see the problem with that either ^_^08:32
lunitikpauldaoust: a script gets ran once a day, and voila, you have a snapshot of the archive as an iso  :)08:32
sacha__btw i'm worried about how reliable with firefox download manager is - it says i was downloading at 2000+kB/s even though my cable is theoretically only capable of going at 1250kB/s08:32
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pauldaoustlunitik: my word08:32
Atrophylol08:32
lunitikpauldaoust: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/08:32
pauldaoustsacha__: heh, that's funny08:32
Atrophyrock on sacha__08:32
pauldaoustlunitik: you mean I just finished downloading Hoary array5 for nothing?!?08:33
Atrophyyou've got one of those super-secret DoD cable modems!08:33
sacha__pauldaust: do you know what package i need to download in synaptic?08:33
lunitikpauldaoust: heh... I know huh... pay peticular attention though to the 'report.html' files...08:33
Atrophypauldaoust... no... you can upgrade08:33
lunitikpauldaoust: if only to glance at the bottem and make sure nothing is bad on your arch08:33
pauldaoustsacha__: just finished downloading the package list now. one sec08:33
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lunitikpauldaoust: for nothing? no... but afaik, the array's are just daily images that can be refered to more easily08:34
AtrophyGood God it takes FOREVER for it to set up all my packages on first boot08:34
punkassomg bill gates is going to be knighted08:34
Atrophylol good for him08:34
pauldaoustsacha__: okay, you want to download kernel-headers and probably kernel-source. I've had no luck compiling drivers in Ubuntu myself, though, so I can't help you much more than that ^_^08:34
FASTis there a way to remove any info/config settings for my audio devices, and have something probe and auto configure them?08:34
Atrophyand this might be our only chance!!!  When else are we gonna get a sword that close to his neck?08:34
sacha__ok08:34
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lunitikpunkass: knighthood means nothing anymore... there are a few soccer coaches that have been knighted for instance  :/08:35
Atrophyheheheh08:35
punkassyeah i know..but its still kinda funny08:35
Atrophyi wouldn't mind being knighted08:35
Atrophythat'd look GREAT on a resume!08:35
pauldaoustwell, folks, it's 11:30, I'm going to bed.08:35
punkassi am sir bill gates...uber geek!08:35
pauldaoustBUT before I go...08:35
sacha__pauldaust: only package i see startign with kernel is kernel-package and kernel-wedge08:35
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pauldaoustsacha__: you went 'search' in Synaptic?08:36
lunitiksacha__: you want linux-*  ... kernel-* is the Debian kernels08:36
pauldaoustsacha__: oh, silly me. you probably have to enable and download the online repository lists.08:36
Atrophywow lunitik... that's mighty intuitive.08:36
pauldaoustlunitik: see how much I know ^_^08:36
Atrophy;-)08:36
pauldaoustlunitik: I almost screwed up sacha__ 's install......08:37
sacha__pauldaust: lol08:37
lunitikAtrophy: haha... I know huh... but Debian kernels aren't accessable by default...08:37
pauldaoustso, before I go to bed, anyone having problems like the ones I mentioned? with the load average soaring under disk usage? and freezing up my entire computer? even when the processor's hardly being used at all?08:37
Atrophylunitik... what are the debian kernels?08:37
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Atrophyis that just a tweaked kernel or is it something different?08:38
sacha__pauldaust: i have linux-headers that i have installed are 2.5.999-test7-... do i need to upgrade them?08:38
lunitikAtrophy: kernels packaged by debian developers... they tend to have a lot of things taken out, and don't tend to be heavily patched...08:38
Atrophyahh08:38
Atrophyso those = BAD... gotcha.08:38
pauldaoustsacha__: golly, yes, those are ancient.08:38
FASTis there a way to remove any info/config settings for my audio devices, and have something probe and auto configure them?08:39
lunitikAtrophy: Ubuntu kernels appear to get more patches, and also don't seem to remove quite as much... although some still ends up in linux-restricted-modules...08:39
Atrophylol08:39
pauldaoustsacha__: I didn't know those were even still available through Ubuntu.08:39
Atrophyyeah I don't usually concern myself with that08:39
danielslunitik: only the ones we don't have all the source to08:39
AtrophyI let the update manager worry about my kernel08:39
danielspauldaoust: sounds like you don't have DMA enabled08:40
lunitikdaniels: indeed, I suppose I should have specified the type that goes into l-r-m huh?  :)08:40
danielsheh08:40
sacha__pauldaust: comes with the cd, btw now i have 2.6.10-1908:40
pauldaoustdaniels: that's what I thought, too, but I looked in BIOS, and sure enough, it's enabled.08:40
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danielspauldaoust: you need support from the kernel as well08:40
Atrophyok once this finally finishes setting up my packages... is setting up SAMBA easy in ubuntu?08:41
pauldaoustdaniels: weird. I thought that'd just be in the kernel magically, since it's such a highly desirable thing?08:41
sacha__pauldaust: the version.h still isn't there - should i get linux-source then? it hasn't been installed08:41
pauldaoustsacha__: yeah, try it08:42
pauldaoustdaniels: is there a resource you know of that would me get me on track with DMA in Ubuntu's stock kernel?08:42
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pauldaoust(well, not so much *stock*; I'm using the one compiled for K7)08:42
AtrophyLOL I'm giving my kvm quite a workout tonight08:42
pauldaoust(and, just to be weird, I'm using the K7 kernel on a PPC processor. HA!)08:43
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Atrophylol08:43
pauldaoust(okay, I'm not actually -- but that would be special)08:43
Atrophythat would be special.... ed.08:43
mebaran151pauldaoust, how do you run a k7 kernel on a pp7 processor08:44
Atrophylol08:44
mebaran151isnt memory management sort of different08:44
Atrophyyou don't, mebaran15108:44
sacha__i see some people with their mobo temps on their desktop - what do i need to do that?08:44
mebaran151or am I missing08:44
lunitikpauldaoust: well... if you turned off the lights, you'd have an awesome light show (more than likely)08:44
mebaran151yeah08:44
pauldaoustmebaran151: just magic. that's all :)08:44
mebaran151I thought so08:44
mebaran151oh08:44
mebaran151I didnt read what you wrote under08:44
mebaran151haha08:44
mebaran151I am so spaced out08:44
mebaran151anyway08:44
mebaran151anyone able to tell me whether dma is enabled08:44
mebaran151anything I can cat in proc or sys08:44
pauldaoustmebaran151: no worry, it was a poor attempt at a geek joke :)08:44
mebaran151haha08:45
pauldaoustmebaran151: I'm wondering about the same thing myself, actually08:45
AtrophySend complaints to /dev/null.08:45
mebaran151heheh08:45
Atrophyoh here's the best geek joke of all08:45
pauldaoustdaniels seems to have the answer, but seems also to have left08:45
pauldaoust:)08:45
mebaran151yeah08:45
mebaran151he probably does08:45
AtrophyThere are only 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary, and those that don't.08:45
mebaran151probably some sysctl thing08:45
pauldaoustho ho ho.08:45
mebaran151that will break up stuff08:45
mebaran151Atrophy, I never heard THAT one before08:46
AtrophyWOOT!!!  It finished installing!!!08:46
Atrophyok now I get to go fix stuph!!!08:46
lunitikAtrophy: Binary is pretty easy... hex on the other hand? I don't think I'll ever get that down pat08:46
Atrophylol hex is fun08:49
Atrophyespecially if you're working with HTML colors08:49
AtrophyBTW that's the best way to learn your hex08:49
Atrophyand please... always practice safe hex08:50
mebaran151pauldaoust, do this08:50
mebaran151sudo hdparm -I [drive name here] 08:50
Atrophyok someone else pull up their repositories and tell me where the URL points to08:50
mebaran151I am a octal man all the way08:50
mebaran15101208:50
Atrophythat one didn't work08:50
pauldaoustmebaran151: hah, that's just what I found myself, only it was sudo hdparm -d1 [drive name here] 08:50
mebaran151hmm08:50
mebaran151no08:51
mebaran151the I just lists08:51
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mebaran151for some reason sata_nv wont play nice08:51
pauldaoustmebaran151: ahhhh08:51
pauldaoustmebaran151: heh, no problems here; cheapo motherboard08:51
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mebaran151yeah08:51
mebaran151I have a nice nforce308:51
mebaran151to good for simple ioctl08:52
mebaran151I think I am going to have to cat to the the sys08:52
pauldaoustmebaran151: making my head spin just hearing about it :)08:52
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pauldaoustmebaran151: in typical UNIX man style, I don't get much info when I go 'man hdparm'... do you think hdparm saves settings in a persistent way; i.e., does your HD still stay in DMA mode when you restart the 'puter? or wait... it actually flips a bit inside the HD controller?08:53
pvhWhat's the name of a panel applet I can use to monitor how full my partitons are?08:53
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mebaran151pauldaoust, nope08:53
mebaran151you get to set it in hdparm.conf08:53
Atrophyplease peeples...08:53
Atrophypull up your repositories lists08:54
LathiatAtrophy: What are you looking for?08:54
pauldaoustpvh: you can use the system monitor applet... it won't tell you directly, but if you right-click the applet, and go 'Open System Monitor', the partitions (and their free space) will be listed on the last tab of the window that pops up.08:54
mebaran151so if you know what you want to pass08:54
pauldaoustmebaran151: so it is persistent, through virtue of hdparm.conf?08:54
mebaran151you just tell hdparm.conf to do it08:54
mebaran151well you have to write hdparm.conf08:54
lunitikAtrophy: I'm averaging about 512 down from archive.ubuntu.com... probably not the mirror...08:54
AtrophyI'm looking for the correct URLs for the default package lists08:54
mebaran151it is by default all comments08:54
Atrophyif I use archive.ubuntu.com it says 40408:55
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mebaran151you got uncomment something to ru08:55
mebaran151n08:55
mebaran151and get parsed08:55
nitriczcan I get a little help with Unbuntu?08:55
mebaran151nitricz08:56
mebaran151as much as we can08:56
lunitikAtrophy: maybe issue with your apt... even clicking that goes to the site for me  :/08:56
mebaran151though we arent the greatest guys in the word08:56
nitriczI'm having a hard time getting it to recognize my processor and my video card08:56
nitriczany suggestions?08:56
Atrophyok... umm what would it be about my apt?08:56
pauldaoustmebaran151: so yer saying that using the 'hdparm' command only changes settings in your current environment, and the settings disappear unless you also put them into /etc/hdparm.conf?08:56
lunitiknitricz: what processor? smp?   what video card?08:56
mebaran151yeah08:56
mebaran151read the hdparm.conf file08:56
mebaran151/etc/hdparm.conf08:56
mebaran151it is good night reading08:57
lunitikAtrophy: can you click that link and have it work?08:57
mebaran151comments are pretty well layed out08:57
nitriczPentium 4 3.0 ghz 512 cache and Nvidia 5500 AGP 256MB08:57
mebaran151if you know how to do it from command line08:57
mebaran151you just basically repeat it there08:57
pauldaoustmebaran151: you're not kidding. what a bunch of chicken scratches... I've looked through X server configs that were tidier than this :)08:57
Atrophyand you're right, cause I can ping the place just fine08:57
Atrophyand I'm on a kvm but yes I can go to that URL on the other computer08:57
lunitiknitricz: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto for nvidia help08:57
mebaran151X server configs are NICE man08:57
mebaran151I mean08:57
lunitiknitricz: how do you mean its not recognizing your processor though?08:57
mebaran151compared to most complex config files08:57
mebaran151the X guys made it pretty08:58
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nitriczit says unknown processor08:58
lunitikEndGame: cover your mouth damnit08:58
pauldaoustmebaran151: yeah, actually, to tell the truth I don't see what the big complaint against them are... it's not like they're *shudder* my postfix file, which is a bloody mess08:58
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pauldaoustmebaran151: anyway, thanks so much for all your help; this gives me a lot to go on.08:58
mebaran151I dont look at my postfix file anymore08:58
mebaran151last time I did it08:58
lunitiknitricz: are you getting decent performance?08:58
nitriczlol it works08:59
mebaran151burned retinas08:59
nitriczthe GUI is working08:59
mebaran151four weeks08:59
Atrophyalthough if i go to that website I have to go a few directories in before finding the .gz files08:59
AtrophyI'm gonna fix the URLs to point to that directory08:59
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mebaran151pauladoust, np08:59
mebaran151the vsftpd is uglier09:00
mebaran151no curly braces09:00
mebaran151every file should have at least one curly brace09:00
mebaran151hopefully two09:00
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lunitiknitricz: I don't think it really matters... cat /proc/cpuinfo though, not listed correctly in there either?09:00
mebaran151I love XML09:01
mebaran151why doesnt every package use xml09:01
pauldaoustmebaran151: heh, yeah. I struggled for weeks myself in postfix, trying to get mail transport working (both so I could use my home computer as my domain's MX server, and so I could test out PHP scripts that used sendmail to send messages)... no joy. I did get it working in Gentoo, but the same config in Ubuntu never worked.09:01
mebaran151for that kind of config09:01
pauldaoustmebaran151: I know what you mean... I guess it's because XML parsers are too heavy in most people's eyes09:01
mebaran151yeah09:01
mebaran151I guess09:01
mebaran151postfix aint no anorexic though09:02
pauldaoustheh09:02
mebaran151Gaim does it pretty well09:02
mebaran151I hate gconf09:02
pauldaoustmebaran151: you do??09:02
mebaran151gconf is my nightmare registry09:02
mebaran151I like it in that it is the registry09:02
nitriczI stand corrected it does have it under cpu info09:02
mebaran151but it is so windowsy09:02
EndGamehow would ubuntu run as a server?09:02
EndGameany experience09:02
EndGamedo hippies even run servers?09:03
mebaran151have you ever done a Debian server09:03
mebaran151Ubuntu would do fine09:03
EndGameah09:03
mebaran151just do a custom install09:03
EndGamegood09:03
EndGamevery good09:03
mebaran151strip all the unnecessary garbage09:03
pauldaoustEndGame: I have it run as a test server at home, and it's wonderful. one problem is I could never get sendmail to work with my PHP scripts.09:03
lunitikmebaran151: wait, you like it because its a registry... but dislike it because its like windows?09:03
EndGamecan i ssh to the computer during the install, its headless and shoved behind a desk09:03
lunitikI'm confused09:03
pauldaoustmebaran151: sorry for coming to you like a little puppy again, but... do I want write caching turned on or off on my hard drive? :P09:03
mebaran151write caching09:03
mebaran151haha09:03
mebaran151nah09:03
pauldaoustEndGame: hmmmmmmmm... no, the installer doesn't let you SSH09:03
mebaran151this stuff is weird09:03
Atrophyok umm exact URL of someone's apt sources plz09:04
neomUbuntu also seems to handle load very well. So it manages quite well in a high load server environment.09:04
EndGamecan i do an automated install09:04
pauldaoustnah, as in leave it off, or turn it on?09:04
mebaran151no09:04
EndGamei mean09:04
mebaran151turn it on09:04
AtrophyI'm getting 404 no matter what I put in there09:04
mebaran151it is good09:04
EndGamei think ill try it09:04
EndGamegentoo will take all week to install09:04
lunitikAtrophy: dude... DEFAULT is 'http://archive.ubuntu.com'09:04
mebaran151write chaching is very good09:04
EndGameand i dont have that kinda time09:04
mebaran151as long as you dont kill it09:04
pauldaoustmebaran151: kill the computer's power, you mean?09:04
mebaran151yeah09:04
mebaran151in 99 percent of history09:04
pauldaoustmebaran151: eh, I've got a journalling filesystem, should be okay09:04
mebaran151write caching should be fine09:05
mebaran151yeah09:05
mebaran151but write caching can get a tad a lost09:05
Atrophydefault no workie09:05
mebaran151but you have to time your hammer JUST RIGHT09:05
pauldaoustand I'm used to Windows, so I think I'll be okay with write caching :)09:05
Atrophyany idea why?09:05
mebaran151I hate gconf09:05
mebaran151just because KDE does it better09:05
mebaran151it is a fine framework to store settings09:05
lunitikAtrophy: paste your sources.list to pastebin09:05
mebaran151but they shoudl build a better gui for a lot of the settings09:05
mebaran151like every gconf setting should hae an app that would be able to edit it09:06
lunitikAtrophy: if you have achives.u.o  in there, I get to hurt you, k?  :P09:06
mebaran151I dont like keys that get caught and never dound again09:06
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trustHi there =(09:06
pauldaoustwoof, I'm going to bed. I've got my answers, and given some to some other people (let's forget the fact that most of my answers were WRONG ^_^), so I'm happy :)09:06
lunitikmebaran151: apt-get install gtweakui09:06
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pauldaoustmebaran151: one thing I do like about gconf is that I can turn my typing break proggie on and off simply by changing a gconf key from a cronjob. pretty nice.09:07
mebaran151heheh09:07
mebaran151oh nice09:07
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mebaran151gconf is good that way09:07
mebaran151but I have registry nightmares09:08
pauldaoustyep. no need to restart a daemon or anything. Just change the key, and the GNOME program will figure out what to do from there.09:08
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pauldaoustfunny, I never have. Never had a corrupted hive.09:08
mebaran15190 percent of my windows problems09:08
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mebaran151registry bbased09:08
mebaran151not in gnome09:08
mebaran151but I had the resgistyr back in Windows 9509:08
caiphnthoreauputic, tried with another floppy, same thing. :s09:08
mebaran151small children in Uganda probably starvecd09:08
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AtrophyI don't have archives.u.o in there =-P09:08
pauldaoustyeah, I know. Windows registry, 95 to XP, I don't think any registry has gone down the tubes.09:08
trustOk, my sound was working when I got up. Then I went and had a bath, now my sound doesn't work =|09:08
mebaran151trust, happened to me09:09
mebaran151one day it worked09:09
mebaran151then it didnt09:09
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mebaran151I didnt know why09:09
lunitikAtrophy: not any more I take it?09:09
pauldaoustmebaran151: mind you, when registry settings were changed, and it caused Windows to become unbootable...... that's a bloody headache.09:09
mebaran151ended lup doing a clean install and fix09:09
mebaran151yeah09:09
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monoxidetrust, my sound stopped working when i updated to hoary, and works again now :/09:09
mebaran151that is why gconf scares me09:09
mebaran151but luckily09:09
mebaran151the MAJOR configs09:09
trustoh wait09:09
trustthat got it09:09
mebaran151like fstab, xorg.conf, etc09:10
mebaran151are all just text09:10
trustalmost had a heart attack though =|09:10
pauldaoustmebaran151: but gconf... it's XML; don't you like it? ;-)09:10
neomHula on ubuntu is so cool.09:10
mebaran151haha09:10
mebaran151I dont know too much about it09:10
mebaran151if it is really xml based09:10
mebaran151then my fears are allayed09:10
mebaran151I never really took the time to research it09:10
pauldaoustneom: you got Hula working? any special stuff you needed to do to make it work, or did it work great out of CVS?09:10
mebaran151as long as I dont need a tool to fix it09:11
mebaran151other than nano or vim09:11
mebaran151I think it is good09:11
Atrophyok this is bizarre...09:11
pauldaoustmebaran151: yep, all XML goodness, broken into multiple files and directories, unlike the Windows registry, which is just five big hives.09:11
AtrophyI figured it out... it was trying to use hoary-updates, which there is no such thing09:11
mebaran151yeah09:11
Quaruptanyone know when gaim is adding webcam support?09:11
pauldaoustneom: I'm thinking of trying it myself.09:11
AtrophyI told it to use hoary-security and now it works09:11
mebaran151I never figured out the windows reg stuff at all09:11
mebaran151I just gave up09:11
Atrophystupid synaptic...09:11
mebaran151isnt like I could rewrite it09:11
mebaran151Quarupt, as soon as you write the support in09:11
lunitikAtrophy: comment that line too... its useless at present09:11
mebaran151XML is nice09:12
neompauldaoust - Bar a few dependencies, it ran quite nicely. I've heard a lot of people have problems with it. I didn't find it too bad. I had a few hassles with postfix (eg I forgot to turn it off). But apart from that it was good.09:12
pauldaoustQuarupt: there are still a lot of dependency issues with gaim's video-and-voice branch, especially with Ubuntu, so it'll be a while yet. Lots of dependencies on SIP libraries and stuff.09:12
Quaruptwell shit its the most active sourceforge project with over 40 people working on it, ya would think it would be there allready09:12
Atrophycomment what ine?09:12
mebaran151Quarupt, it is a big thing09:12
EndGamei want to install ubuntu on a raid array09:12
pauldaoustneom: ooooooo, you have to turn postfix off?!?09:12
mebaran151to add to add voice and sound09:12
lunitikAtrophy: the line stating hoary-security09:12
Atrophyahh09:12
neompauldaoust - Or use a diffrent port.09:13
pauldaousteep. and I got it working (almost the way I like too).09:13
mebaran151EndGame, what kind of raid09:13
lunitikAtrophy: it contains _nothing_ at present09:13
AtrophyI think it's deleted because I changed it using Synaptic09:13
pauldaoustoh, suppose I could do that, neom09:13
neompauldaoust - I just don't use postfix, so I was ok to turn it off.09:13
mebaran151I recommend Linux software LVM09:13
mebaran151easy partition management09:13
mebaran151and the raid in software is very good09:13
Quaruptwhy dont they steal it from trillian, its open source isnt it?09:13
Atrophyanyways I'm gonna go to bed keep it real y'all09:13
pauldaoustneom: yeah, I have a weird setup with maildirs and an IMAP server on my home computer.09:13
mebaran151as good as the raid it would use09:13
Atrophypeace out09:13
mebaran151peace09:13
neompauldaoust - http://home.neom.ca:8080 u: test p: t3st if you want to look around.09:13
pauldaoustneom: so Hula has its own MTA?09:14
mebaran151Quarupt, api is probalby different09:14
Quaruptyea09:14
lunitikmebaran151: I'm starting to think you are a bot or something09:14
Quaruptwhats gaim in anyways?09:14
lunitikQuarupt: what do you mean "in"?09:14
mebaran151Lunitik, I dont think so09:14
mebaran151what makes you think that09:14
lunitikmebaran151: you just keep rambling and rambling... can't possibly be a human...  :)09:15
mebaran151just a nasty habit, sorry Lunitik09:15
pauldaoustneom: it's so... pretty... hibiscus and gradients and curvy rectangles...09:15
neomIt has it's own MTA, yah.09:15
lunitikmebaran151: ahh... its cool... just saying  ;)09:15
neomIt rusn netmail eh. The novell backend.09:15
pauldaoustneom: thanks for the link. I gotta check it out.09:16
pauldaoustbuuuut09:16
pauldaoustI gotta go beddy09:16
lunitikneom: afaik, Hula == Netmail... only with public source code....09:16
mebaran151on to bed09:16
Quaruptlunitik, Language?09:16
mebaran151bye09:16
punkassso from what i have read so far i have xp on my first partition and two more empty partitions for linux (one swap, one root)09:16
lunitikQuarupt: you are asking what package gaim is in? orrr?09:16
Quaruptis it python/tkl or maybe c or what?09:16
lunitikQuarupt: C09:17
Quaruptokay09:17
QuaruptloThats what i figured09:17
neomIt's based on the netmail code, it's diffrent though iirc.09:17
punkassi should just be able to install ubuntu on to the empty partition it will find my xp and add it to grub and all is well?09:17
QuaruptIs chatzilla any good?09:17
lunitikQuarupt: no09:17
trustQuarupt, I prefer xchat09:17
trustalthough telnet is a great irc client09:18
lunitikQuarupt: at least not the one for regular mozilla... firefox plugin looks ok, but never tried it09:18
Quaruptokay09:18
QuaruptI am using Xchat09:18
lunitiktrust: not really... lack of security on irc is a bad thing09:18
Quaruptbut i want to change my ctcp replies and when i change em in the app provided it doesnt work09:18
trustlunitik, =(09:18
trustlunitik, but it's still good to use =(09:19
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Joe2Hiya people, I got a tecra 8100 laptop, with a USB cable modem, is there any way to get ubuntu to recognise this as an ethernet connection (such as fedora does etc)?09:19
lunitikJoe2: umm... modprobe your_nic09:20
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lunitikJoe2: Ubuntu doesn't care about the modem, enless its internal, and I've not heard of that09:21
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lunitikJoe2: wait... gah... but hotplug should recognize it... any reason you aren't using a NIC? its a lot faster  :/09:22
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Quarupttheres an IRC plugin for Firefox?09:23
lunitikQuarupt: yes09:23
thoreauputicQuarupt: yes, an extension09:23
trusthm09:23
trustthat reminds me09:23
da_bon_bonhi all09:23
lunitikQuarupt: https://addons.update.mozilla.org//extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&id=1609:23
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nitriczquick question09:26
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nitriczcan anyone tell me how to install an application such as Unreal Tournament 2004?09:27
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Quarupt_I guess its not that bad09:27
nitriczit says write permission denied09:27
Quarupt_kinda bare09:28
Quarupt_wonder if it has any cool features09:28
nitriczI did the basic install and then when it went to write the file location file /usr/games it said write permission denied09:28
da_bon_bonhey when i try installing vmware "./vmware-install.pl" it gives me "Bad interpreter" pleaze help!09:30
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Quarupt_wow you can write left to right09:30
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da_bon_bonQuarupt: who can ?09:31
monoxideis the ubuntu cd site taking orders for hoary yet?09:33
Joe2back, had to dash off09:34
Joe2lunatik, coz my pcmcia nic broke09:34
da_bon_bonmonoxide: yes it is09:34
monoxidejust that it still has the notice about the warty cds up....09:35
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monoxidewhich cd would you get for an intel 64 bit proccessor?09:37
monoxidethe amd64 cd?09:37
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HrdwrBoBdepends what cpu09:37
nitriczcan someone answer a question?09:37
HrdwrBoBnitricz: yes.09:38
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nitriczI did the basic install and then when it went to write the file location file /usr/games it said write permission denied09:38
GammaRaynitricz: he means no09:38
HrdwrBoB*boomtish*09:38
monoxideHrdwrBoB, what do you mean?09:38
HrdwrBoBnitricz: yes that's a system location09:38
HrdwrBoBnitricz: you can only write to /tmp and your /home directory etc09:38
GammaRaymonoxide: x86-64 or itanic?09:38
GammaRayor alpha?09:39
GammaRayor ...09:39
nitriczHrdwrBoB, I Just change the directory to /home/games/UT2k409:39
da_bon_bonanyone got vmware up and running on hoary ?09:39
monoxideGammaRay, none yet09:39
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HrdwrBoBmonoxide: if none yet, buy an amd6409:40
cafuegomonoxide: The AMD64 stuff won't run on a Titanic; you need an ia64 CD for that.09:40
HrdwrBoBnitricz: that would be ok if your usernames was 'games'09:40
plxyes, vmware runs fine on hoary09:40
cafuegomonoxide: The ia64 is frighteningly expensive, though.09:40
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HrdwrBoBnitricz: better off, run the installer with sudo09:40
nitriczthank you HrdwrBoB09:40
monoxidecafuego, i was looking at either intel or amd anyway09:40
EndGamecould you just chmod +rwx /usr/games ?09:41
EndGamemaybe09:41
HrdwrBoBEndGame: you could09:41
trusthm =(09:41
EndGameif hippies have chmod :-)09:41
cafuegomonoxide: ia64 is intel.09:41
HrdwrBoBsudo installer would be easier09:41
monoxidecafuego, ohhh...09:41
EndGamehe tried it09:41
trustThere an easy way to go from warty to hoary?09:41
HrdwrBoBtrust: yes09:41
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cafuegomonoxide: that's designed for enterprise class servers though. get an AMD64, they're cheap, fast and great.09:42
EndGameyou kidding 64 bit is the future across the board09:42
monoxidecafuego, well then il definently go with amd64 then :P09:42
cafuegomonoxide: I have one and I love it :-)09:42
HrdwrBoBmonoxide: if you want everything to work, get an amd64.. and run i386 on it09:42
trustHrdwrBoB, care to describe it a little for me? =(09:42
plxhow does ipod support work in rhythmbox? can't figure it out.. works with gtkpod only09:42
MyrttiI guess no-one can still help me with the Citrix-problem?09:42
EndGamei mean, they're just getting into the desktop market09:42
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: nah, just run x86_64 and add a chroot for stuff that's yet to be ported.09:42
HrdwrBoBtrust: if you edit the synaptic repository to say 'hoary' instead of 'warty'09:42
EndGameplx, could you mount the ipod on your filesystem09:42
monoxideHrdwrBoB, if i wanted to run i386 then i would just use 32bit?09:42
HrdwrBoBthen update it09:42
HrdwrBoByou can upgrade to haory packages :)09:43
EndGamei scsi device? like an external harddrive09:43
trustHrdwrBoB, wow09:43
HrdwrBoBcafuego: yeah for games and stuff09:43
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trustHrdwrBoB, that's... highly complicated O_o09:43
HrdwrBoBcafuego: just more screwing around09:43
plxyes, i can mount it and even read it with gtkpod. but not with rhythmbox09:43
HrdwrBoBtrust: yes :)09:43
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cafuegoHrdwrBoB: It's trivial with dchroot.09:43
trustwell09:43
HrdwrBoBmonoxide: amd64 is backward compatible09:43
trustI'll set that going before I head out O_o09:43
HrdwrBoBcafuego: trivial for a moderately exeperienced user09:44
monoxideHrdwrBoB, i know that, but i386 still only runs at 32bit... so whats the point in buying an amd64?09:44
GammaRaydid I mention 64 bit makes pigs fly?09:44
HrdwrBoBmonoxide: because they are fast09:44
cafuegoHrdwrBoB: Also for a novice, with one or two pointers (which are in the amd64 faq)09:44
monoxideHrdwrBoB, how much faster?09:44
cafuegomonoxide: An Athlon64 2800+ is a lot faster than an AthlonXP 2800+09:44
da_bon_bonanyone got vmware up and running on hoary ?09:44
HrdwrBoBorders of magnitude09:44
cafuegomonoxide: Not in cpu clock speed, but certainly in processing power.09:45
monoxidethatt good? :/09:45
plxda_bon_bon: yes09:45
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da_bon_bonplx: did u need to compile the kernel module ?09:45
Myrtti*sigh*09:45
monoxidehow much more expensive though?09:45
SlantHow do I report a bug in something that is in universe?09:45
GammaRaythe 64 bit has nothing todo w/ it.. it's probably the ondie memory controller09:45
plxyes, you need the kernel sources09:45
cafuegomonoxide: My 1.8GHz AMD64 2800+ can recode video at more than twice the speed my 2.0GHz AthonXP 2400+09:45
monoxideGammaRay, either way, its still not happening on amd32 bit ;)09:46
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cafuegomonoxide: Low end Athlon64s are dirt cheap.09:46
GammaRaymonoxide: some multimedia apps like eggenc do take advantage though09:46
cafuegomonoxide: You should be set for $500 US max09:46
raggedgentlemanhow do you restart apache without rebooting?09:47
GammaRayfor the cpu? (-;09:47
cafuegoraggedgentleman: apachectl graceful09:47
monoxide$500US for a cpu??09:47
cafuegoGammaRay: *thwap* No, that would be intel <heh>09:47
trust1193 upgrades -_-09:47
cafuegomonoxide: No, $500 for a system09:47
raggedgentlemancafuego, thanks!09:47
da_bon_bonplx: ok... is it mandatory ? can u email me your compiled modules ?09:47
cafuegomonoxide: I built mine for under AU$2000 (but that included 6 DVDRW drives too)09:48
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cafuegoraggedgentleman: You *only* ever reboot after you upgrade the kernel.09:48
GammaRaycafuego: that must be noisy09:48
plxthe vmware_config script will do it for you, it's easy09:48
cafuegoGammaRay: Howso?09:48
monoxidecafuego, wow...09:48
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da_bon_bonplx: i still need to get the sources, which will take hell long on a 2kbps dnld speed09:48
raggedgentlemancafuego, hehe =o) yeah thanks hey its accually apache2... that command isnt found09:48
cafuegomonoxide: Cheaper than a 6-drive DVD duplicator <heh>09:49
GammaRaycafuego: the constant motion of the grinding cds09:49
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cafuegoraggedgentleman: apache2ctl then ;-)09:49
cafuegoGammaRay: Nah09:49
cafuegoGammaRay: Can't hear anything over the noise of the SMP P2/30009:49
plxhm, i see09:49
GammaRaycafuego: WHAT?09:50
cafuegoGammaRay: Can't hear anything over the noise of the SMP P2/30009:50
monoxideif i wanted to update to a amd 64 i would need... new cpu, new mobo... anything else?09:50
da_bon_bonplx: arent headers enoguh ? does vmware have a nice gui ?09:50
cafuegomonoxide: PC3200 DDR ram (but DDR333 works too)09:50
monoxideshould everything else be compatibe provided i get the right mobo?09:50
GammaRaycafuego: noo I said WHAT?!09:50
cafuegoGammaRay: Oh sorry. WHAT?09:50
GammaRaycafuego: HUH?09:50
cafuegoGammaRay: HELLO!!!??09:50
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GammaRaycafuego: stay away from my gf!09:51
raggedgentlemancafuego, yeah cool thanks bud, whats a desent way to monitor traffic and that realtime?09:51
cafuegoGammaRay: I'm sure my wife will make sure of that.09:51
cafuegoraggedgentleman: ntop09:51
plxda_bon_bon: yes, i think it will work with the headers /usr/src/linux-headers-version/include09:52
cafuegomonoxide: I have an nforce3 based mainboard, which seems to be fully supported and works fine - provided you don't plug in a pci Silicon Image IDE card09:52
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cafuegomonoxide: Gigabyte K8NS Pro09:52
monoxidecafuego, i take it, you had a bad experience with one?09:52
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plxand the gui is fine, gtk09:52
cafuegomonoxide: I think they're probably onto the nforce4 systems by now, you should probably also get the newer socket 939 stuff.09:52
da_bon_bonplx: ok, thanks...09:53
cafuegomonoxide: When I plugged it in the mobo didn't see ANY hdds. Not on the card, not on the mobo <heh>09:53
monoxideLOL09:53
cafuegomonoxide: Swapped it over for Promise card and that works fine.09:53
monoxidei got no money at the moment anyway... im just looking at how much it would cost to get one if i could....09:53
monoxide*sigh*09:54
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cafuegomonoxide: haha, you're in melbourne too <heh>09:54
cafuegomonoxide: Anywhere near the inner city?09:54
monoxidebout 45min out09:54
monoxidesouth east09:55
monoxidenear dandenong09:55
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da_bon_bonplx: does vmware have a gui ?09:55
dazedhow do u screen shot in linux?09:55
cafuegomonoxide: www.cpl.net.au are the cheapest I've found 9that's where I bought my components)09:55
plxda_bon_bon: yes, sure09:55
cafuegodazed: 'import -window root foo.png'  (install imagemagick)09:56
cafuegodazed: See also 'scrot'09:56
cafuegomonoxide: Got an AGP video card?09:56
HrdwrBoBor just  press 'screenshot'09:56
monoxidecafuego, think so.... :P09:57
HrdwrBoBor go to desktop, take screenshot09:57
monoxideits an nvidia offboard card so i suppose its agp :P09:57
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cafuegowouldn't be PCIE09:57
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monoxidenot anymore anyway...09:58
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monoxidewhere is notting hill?09:58
cafuegomonoxide: No idea, I'm near the west melbourne one09:58
cafuegomonoxide: around $1000 for a 3200+, Decent mobo and 1 GB ram.09:59
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da_bon_bonanyone getting gzip errors while trying to apt-get update09:59
monoxideheh... just that thats where it says the clearance stuff is... :P10:00
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cafuegoda_bon_bon: No, but I had some md5sum errors.10:00
monoxidecafuego, its gonna be a while before i see $1000 dollars... :P10:00
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monoxidemost likely a long while10:00
cafuegoThe moment I see it it's gotta go to the ATO.10:00
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aleitneri just upgraded to the latest hoary and now my use keyboard stopped working. anybody having a similar problem?10:01
cafuegoaleitner: I'd like to tell you, but I can't type...10:02
dazedwww.google.com10:02
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aleitnercafuego: actually, its the external usb keyb on my notebook, so _i_ can still type (;10:02
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stormanyone running eiffel studio on hoary? keeps crashing10:03
aleitnerstorm: yes, its a known prob10:04
aleitnerstorm: i do have a (rather complex) workaround, though10:04
aleitnerstorm: that is you christian, is it ? (;10:04
stormah, it you :) hi!10:04
stormi'm chris.. your thesis student10:05
aleitner(;10:05
storminstalling gtk 2.4 would mean replacing the newer version, right?10:05
aleitnerstorm:so, anyway. you go download gtk and glib, etc 2.4 from source. compile it and install it to some non-std location10:06
aleitnerstorm: no, you dont replace anything10:06
stormah, ok10:06
aleitnerstorm: be sure to set the right pkg-config variables10:06
aleitnerstorm: then once installed, you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the non-std lib location10:07
aleitnerstorm: then you call estudio with that var set10:07
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aleitnerstorm: the var now causes estudio to link against gtk 2.4 instead of gtk 2.610:07
stormaleitner: ok, i see.. a pretty hard workaround.. maybe i'll try. still runs on my notebook luckily10:09
aleitnerstorm: (;10:09
Myrtti*sigh*10:09
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stormaleitner: i could use the included gtk-version? there's one in $ISE_EIFFEL/library/gel10:10
dazedis anyone framilliar with fluxbox?10:11
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dazedis anyone framilliar with fluxbox? i need help10:13
thoreauputicdazed: what's the problem?10:13
dazedim trying to set up my background10:13
thoreauputicfbsetbg10:14
dazedin the style?10:14
thoreauputicah that's different10:14
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thoreauputic:)10:14
thoreauputicyou're writing a style?10:14
dazedwhere do i put fbestbg?10:14
dazedno10:14
dazedim just trying to put a background for the  specific style10:14
dazedbut if i can put one for all styles ill do that10:14
thoreauputicdazed: you just want to change the bg?10:14
thoreauputicdazed: for a global bg, look for RootCommand in ~/.fluxbox/init10:15
thoreauputicand put fbsetbg /path/to/background.png10:16
thoreauputicon that line10:16
dazedi did that10:16
dazedand it didnt work10:16
dazedhold on10:16
thoreauputicdazed: for full docs on everything, look at http://fluxbox.org10:16
dazedi know10:16
thoreauputicOK10:16
dazedbut its not working is the problem10:16
dazedi added this line to init10:17
dazedsession.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -l /home/dazed/Backgrounds/ja.png10:17
aleitnerstorm: not sure10:17
thoreauputicdazed: it may be that it isn't set to look in your ~/.fluxbox dir10:17
dazedwell how do i put my backgrounds in my fluxbox dir10:18
thoreauputicdazed: you might need to locate the global files in /etc/X11/fluxbox or somewhere similar10:18
thoreauputicI'm in gnome right now10:18
dazedhow do i copy a directory to another directory via term...i did it earlier10:18
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oz_dazed: cp -R source dest10:19
thoreauputiccp -r /first/dir /second/dir10:19
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thoreauputicyes sorry -R10:19
thoreauputicor cp -a to retain permissions10:20
caiphnthoreauputic, I rebooted and looked in naut again.. and the files were there.. in my home directory10:20
thoreauputiccaiphn: ah10:20
thoreauputicwell, that's something10:20
caiphnthoreauputic, yeah haha10:20
caiphn:)10:20
thoreauputicbut I bet you cant get at them, right?10:20
thoreauputicthey are still root:root ?10:21
thoreauputicor you can read them but not write to them?10:21
dazedstill nothing10:21
dazedthis is what it looks like now10:22
dazedsession.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -l ~/Backgrounds/ja.png10:22
caiphnRead them and not write them.10:22
dazedcuz i moved backgrounds to .fluxbox10:22
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thoreauputiccaiphn: do sudo chown david:david on those files10:22
caiphnk10:23
jsgotangcohello10:23
thoreauputicdazed: as written, your Backgrounds dir is in your home dir10:23
thoreauputicnot .fluxbox10:23
caiphnthoreauputic, too few arguements.10:23
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thoreauputicoops10:23
dazedsession.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -l /home/dazed/.fluxbox/Backgrounds/ja.png10:24
dazedhow bout that10:24
dazedcuz that didnt work10:24
thoreauputicdazed: hang on a tick10:24
thoreauputiccaiphn: sudo chown david:david  yourfile.doc10:24
thoreauputicdazed: if you get the pathe right and your session is reading from ~/.fluxbox/init it should work10:25
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thoreauputic*path10:25
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dazedwell my path is right10:26
dazedand its not working10:26
dazedis this right looking to you10:26
dazedsession.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -l /home/dazed/.fluxbox/Backgrounds/ja.png10:26
thoreauputicdazed: well, my psychic powers are a bit weak at the moment, sorry10:26
thoreauputicdazed: just a guess: your .xsession or whatever you are using isn't reading the init file in your ~/.fluxbox10:27
Myrttigoddammit this Citrix10:27
oz_Is anyone else missing the "seek bar" playing mp3's on Rhythmbox 0.8.8 under hoary? (Ogg is fine...)10:28
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dazedbut it is cuz it reads my custom menu which i added to the init10:28
caiphnthoreauputic, thank saint christmas is worked10:28
thoreauputicdazed: my point being, I can't debug your setup from half way around the world10:29
dazedi understand10:29
dazedjust trying to get it figured out10:29
thoreauputicdazed: sure10:29
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thoreauputiccaiphn: you have access now ??  !!!!10:30
caiphnthoreauputic, haha yeah !! It is indeed a breakthrough!10:30
thoreauputicsorry about the multiple ! but hey...10:31
thoreauputiccaiphn: w00t10:31
caiphnDefinate w00t! Again, thanks for all the help10:31
thoreauputiccaiphn: I still think your floppy config is stuffed somehow though10:31
thoreauputiccaiphn: but at least you have something to work with...10:32
caiphnYeah, I needed these files now, so that's my main concern.10:32
thoreauputiccaiphn: sure10:32
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caiphnMy next project is trying to network to another machine.10:33
thoreauputiccaiphn: heh - that's always a fun project10:33
caiphnMaybe I'll leave that one 'til my day off.10:33
thoreauputicgood idea10:33
thoreauputicsamba or nfs?10:34
thoreauputicwindows machine I guess?10:34
caiphn*nod*10:34
thoreauputicsamba then10:34
caiphnWindows XP.. connected via wireless router10:34
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thoreauputicnfs here, all linux10:35
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caiphnYeah well, with the difficulty that just occured with the whole floppy scenario, I can just imagine what kind of .. interesting events will occur with networking10:37
thoreauputiccaiphn: well, your floppy struggle wasn't a typical problem10:39
thoreauputicusually floppies work pretty well10:39
thoreauputicthat is assuming the floppies are OK themselves10:40
caiphn*nod*10:40
thoreauputicthese days a major assumption...10:40
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thoreauputic:/10:41
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caiphnI think what I really gotta do is figure out bash commands so I don't feel so helpless..10:44
caiphnShould I be picking up a book or something? Every internet resource I find seems either too basic or too complex for me.10:44
caiphnWell, I'm gonna call 'er a night.10:47
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thoreauputicmonoxide: ah, but you probably don't have friends who put their university assignments on floppies...10:47
jsgotangcofloppies :(10:47
thoreauputicTomArayaAsleep: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/shortcuts.html10:48
monoxidethoreauputic, email is a wonderful thing ;)10:48
thoreauputicassuming you're still awake10:48
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thoreauputicmonoxide: I agree - but they don't ;)10:48
myfilikahi10:49
wellyhi guys, can you upgrade to hoary using synaptic?10:49
thoreauputicmonoxide: we're talking fairly clueless computer users here10:49
monoxidehehe10:49
thoreauputicwelly: yes10:49
monoxidewell screw them then.... tell them you got a new computer and it doesnt have a floppy drive ;)10:49
wellyok.. do i need uncomment some of the lines as it doesn't appear when i do a search for hoary10:50
thoreauputicmonoxide: hehe10:50
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thoreauputicmonoxide: but they are rather attractive, you see... ;)10:50
monoxideLOL10:51
thoreauputicwelly: you need to change all sources to read hoary instead of warty, then reload10:51
zeebleanyone got pointers for enabling shadows adn transparency in xorg? just installed it.10:51
wellyoh ok.. how do i do that?10:51
monoxidethoreauputic, well definently screw them then.... ;)10:51
wellyoh sorry, i get you10:51
thoreauputicmonoxide: now now ... "this is a family channel"  ;-)10:51
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thoreauputic*grin*10:52
monoxideok ok ok...10:52
monoxidebut how many people <18yo would be using linux....10:52
monoxideoh thats right... me!...10:52
monoxide:P10:52
thoreauputichaha10:53
thoreauputicand thousands of others I'd say10:53
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monoxidepossibly10:53
Myrttiyou kids10:54
monoxidebut i really wouldnt trust many people <16 with my config files... :P10:54
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Jug_hah :)10:54
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thoreauputicmonoxide: I wouldn't trust *anybody* with my config files10:54
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monoxideand proud of it10:54
Myrttior should I say, you men10:55
monoxidelol true thoreauputic10:55
thoreauputicMyrtti: well, we are only necessary for breeding you know: useless for all other purposes ;-)10:56
wellysorry, which is the file i need to change to enable the other repositories?10:56
thoreauputicwelly: /etc/apt/sources.list10:56
Myrtti/etc/apt/sources.list10:56
fred_hello, anyone can tell me where to put commands to be executed on startup, (couldnt find /etc/rc.local)10:56
wellythanks10:56
thoreauputicfred_: not surprising, as there isn't one ;)10:56
thoreauputicfred_: there are several ways10:57
fred_yes :) but is there another or should I simply create it ?10:57
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monoxidethoreauputic, breeding and money.10:57
monoxideanyway im going10:57
monoxidegoodnight everyone10:57
maLKoct.y monoxide10:57
Myrttimoney is irrelevant10:57
Myrttisex is everything10:57
thoreauputicfred_: the "correct" way is to put a script in /etc/init.d and then use update-rc.d10:57
maLKochello my friends.10:58
fred_thanks tho.10:58
thoreauputicfred_: the easy way is to put commands in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh10:58
thoreauputicbut that's "deprecated"10:58
fred_ok thx again then10:59
maLKoci do not listen mp3 file under ubuntu.10:59
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jsgotangcowhy not?10:59
monoxideMyrtti, spoken like a true nerd ;)10:59
maLKocit's want to plug-in10:59
maLKoc?10:59
jsgotangcothen download the plugin10:59
maLKocwhere is the plug-in?10:59
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maLKoc:)10:59
jsgotangcohave you changed your apt repositories?11:00
thoreauputicmaLKoc: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad11:00
thoreauputicmaLKoc: then you can play mp3 in the rhythmbox music player11:00
raggedgentlemanhow do you add a start script to your rc's?11:00
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zeebleraggedgentleman: man update-rc.d11:01
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raggedgentlemanzeeble, ahh thanks bud11:01
maLKochmm.11:01
raggedgentlemanzeeble, didn't know you had to run something....11:01
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raggedgentlemanzeeble, gotta a little mess to clean up =o)11:02
zeeblegood luck.11:02
raggedgentlemanzeeble, well thank you sir! ;)11:02
maLKoci want to install new programs for my ubuntu system.11:03
thoreauputicmaLKoc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto11:03
maLKocok.11:03
raggedgentlemanmaLKoc, ubuntuguide.org have you been here?11:03
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jsgotangcothat's a neat site11:04
thoreauputicgood guide, but maybe not for complete newbies11:04
jsgotangcoyou didn't ask for cds to be shipped?11:04
jsgotangcotrue11:04
jsgotangcobut i can say that ubuntu did boost my linux knowledge tremendously11:05
jsgotangcolike from zero to hero11:05
jsgotangcolol11:05
zeeblejsgotangco: yeah, i did. but gave them away. but i got a new laptop, so looking forward to a fresh distro, fresh install.11:05
raggedgentlemanyay mee too! =oP11:05
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thoreauputicsure - but some people find the CLI very intimidating11:05
raggedgentlemanCLI?11:05
thoreauputiccommand line interface11:06
Skidhi, I've got an adaptec ultra wifi pcmcia card, which I can't get working, even with ndiswrapper.. its the prism (2.5) chipset i think, anyone got any links / ideas? I've googled, andposted on the forums11:06
jsgotangcoyeah especially those who didnt go into DOS back then11:06
EndGamedoes ubuntu have a packages database or something?11:06
Skidcommand line internface11:06
Skid-n11:06
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EndGamei get the whole apt-get install gig11:06
raggedgentlemanbut hes our friend11:06
EndGamebut um11:06
maLKocthoreauputic: i don't have internet connection.I want to install programs from cd or hdd11:06
maLKoc?11:06
jsgotangcohey Skid11:06
EndGamei dont know what to apt-get install11:06
Skidhi11:06
thoreauputicEndGame: browse in synaptic, or use apt-cache search11:06
jsgotangcoi just got ndiswrapper working today but a different chipset11:06
EndGamethank you11:07
Skidwell, it's in11:07
thoreauputicEndGame: apt-cache search <keyword>11:07
Skidbut apparantly no hardware is detected11:07
raggedgentlemanwe cant get along with out that little guy yet and i hope it stopps being that way!11:07
jsgotangcoeven after dmseg?11:07
Skidhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17687 is the url11:07
Skidndiswrapper says no hardware detected11:07
jsgotangcolemme check11:07
thoreauputicmaLKoc: if you don't have internet I assume you are here on another operating system?11:08
thoreauputicmaLKoc: what is the problem connecting with Ubuntu?11:08
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Skidndiswrapper is loaded, if I grep through dmesd11:09
Skiddmesg even11:09
maLKoci am connecting from office under win9811:09
maLKocbut i use ubuntu from home11:09
thoreauputicraggedgentleman: the CLI isn't going away - it's too powerful11:09
thoreauputicraggedgentleman: especially scripting11:09
raggedgentlemani hope your right!11:09
raggedgentlemanyeah this is true but noobs need it too!11:10
jsgotangcothe wonders of apt wont make the CLI obsolete11:10
thoreauputicmaLKoc: ubuntu is much better when  you are networked: that's how you get a lot of programs11:10
thoreauputicmaLKoc: trying to download packages will just be frustrating11:10
jsgotangconot to mention dependy checks on manually installing them11:11
maLKochmm okay.11:11
thoreauputicmaLKoc: with apt or synaptic installing is very easy11:11
jsgotangcoSkid hold on, firefox is acting up11:12
jsgotangcohmm11:12
EndGameand can i make this synaptic search other repositories11:12
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Skid:) ok11:12
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Skidhmph the forums have gone really slow11:13
thoreauputicEndGame: add repositories under settings >> repositories, then reload11:13
thoreauputicEndGame: or edit /etc/apt/source.list11:13
thoreauputic*sources.list11:13
jsgotangcohmmm i get connection errors to the forums and the wiki11:13
EndGamewhat repositories should i add.11:13
Skidsame here11:13
EndGamei would check the ubuntu site11:13
jsgotangcosomethings wrong11:13
EndGamebut i cant seem to get on it11:13
thoreauputicEndGame: depends what you need11:14
EndGameeverything i can get11:14
Skidah. works now11:14
thoreauputicEndGame: start with universe11:14
EndGamewhats the address?11:14
thoreauputicEndGame: you can add others later if you wish11:14
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SkidEndGame: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17911:15
thoreauputicEndGame: it isn't an address: you enable the repo in synaptic under settings11:15
jsgotangcoi still cant connect :(11:15
Skidstrange11:15
Skidit's working fine now11:15
thoreauputicEndGame: or in /etc/apt/sources.list if you sre comfortable editing files11:15
Skid(here)11:15
jsgotangcoah there you go11:16
gillesif i install ubuntu, will it recognize and configure automatically my large screen and my mobility radeon 9600 ?11:16
Skidhmm, how odd.. xchat on my laptop is different than on my pc with universe11:16
Skidits all white on my pc, but black on my laptop11:16
maLKocapt :)11:17
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jsgotangcoheh i can't connect to the wiki i dont remember anything i did with ndiswrapper11:17
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thoreauputicSkid: that's easily changed11:17
maLKoci have some programs11:18
maLKocbut i don't install11:18
mikael_what kind of programs11:18
Skidyeah, gonna add some backports now11:19
Skidit's probably in there11:19
Skidcan't remmeber what I set my pc's sources as11:19
Skidyay11:20
Skidits in backports :)11:20
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Skidon another note, have any of you got FAM working correctly with gnome?11:22
SkidI had it spot on in gentoo, but it doesn't like ubuntu :)11:22
Skidand I hate having to restart x, or login/out etc11:22
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HrdwrBoBSkwid_: hoary uses gamin11:24
HrdwrBoBwhich is a lot better11:25
HrdwrBoBbut fam should be working 'correctly' out of hte box11:25
Skwid_?11:25
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SkidSkwid_: he meant to type Skid11:27
Skid:)11:27
SkidHrdwrBoB: it doesn't though, i.e. for gnome-menu11:27
Skwid_Skid: oh:)11:27
Skidit won't update :)11:27
HrdwrBoBSkwid_: oh! hah, sorry I didn't even notice :)11:27
Skidwhen I install a new application11:27
Skidhehe11:27
thoreauputicSkid: that's not a FAM issue11:27
Skidis it notA?11:28
Skid-a11:28
thoreauputicSkid: it's because ubuntu doesn't use the debian menu system11:28
SkidI had famd runing11:28
Skidooh11:28
Skidwell, hmph :P11:28
Skidis there a work-around?11:28
thoreauputicyou can install the "menu" package, and run update-menus11:28
thoreauputicI haven't tried it - I just do it manually11:29
Skidis there a way to enable the debian menus too ?11:29
thoreauputicI think in hoary you can11:29
thoreauputicI have warty here11:29
SkidI'd pref to get my wifi up and running before moving over to hoary11:30
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thoreauputicSkid: in warty, type ctrl-L in nautilus, then applications:/// , and put your luchers where you want them - they show up in the menu11:31
thoreauputic*launchers11:31
thoreauputiccan't type :(11:31
Skidyeah11:31
Skidbut i'd just like it automatically11:32
thoreauputicSkid: sudo apt-get install menu && man update-menus11:33
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Skidyeah, I'm looking through the manpage now11:33
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EricNeon88811:34
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jsgotangcois anyone checking out the wiki now? i can't seem to get into it at all11:37
Skidthe wiki is down here, but forums are back up11:39
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JaeHiya!11:39
JaeAnyone around that knows much about drivers and what not?11:39
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