[12:00] <marcin_ant> I cannot open ppp connection on boot - while I can with pon when system is started
[12:00] <Marble2> but wth does it do?
[12:00] <marcin_ant> it's probably related with this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23127786
[12:00] <delltony> yeah its not there
[12:00] <Brunellus> I'm furious.  same error
[12:00] <delltony> let me put it at the end like you stated
[12:00] <Brunellus> I can't understand how this all started
[12:01] <marcin_ant> there is a kind of solution but I don't know how to implement this
[12:01] <marcin_ant> could someone help me?
[12:01] <delltony> Jug_, done thanks i will give that a shot
[12:01] <INRSbo1> my ftp and ssh under nautilus fail, is this a commun problem ?
[12:01] <Jug_> np
[12:01] <Brunellus> once again:  ndiswrapper 1.0 gives an "invalid module type" when loaded
[12:01] <Brunellus> and I don't know/can't see why
[12:01] <delltony> now if i could just figure out how to send the signal to my tvout card so it will pipe the screen to the tv id be all set haha i can't figure out how to get atitvout to work at all i have tried everything i can think of but no go
[12:02] <Anubis> So we're not really on Hoary. We're on Grumpy.
[12:02] <Brunellus> since it worked fine when I ran it last night.  I've powered down and up again, and now nothing
[12:02] <Anubis> Hey-- Perhaps we should change the name of this forum to Grumpy Groundhog Development?
[12:02] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:02] <Loevborg> "mplayer" crashes with a segfault. do you have the same problem?
[12:02] <Jug_> Brunellus: have you compiled ndiswrapper by your self?
[12:02] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17448&page=2&pp=10
[12:02] <Brunellus> Jug_:  yes
[12:03] <codyman> hello
[12:03] <Jug_> Brunellus: you could try copying the compiled module manually to kernel lib dir..
[12:03] <XposerX> Loevborg, i have the same problem ...i think it's because it was compiled for a P4
[12:03] <codyman> i have a usb sound card.. i can hear things fine but i can't get recording working (it has rca inputs and i have my turntable hooked up to it from my receiver) but when i use apps like audacity it records nothing
[12:04] <Brunellus> so that would be : sudo cp [path where I did the make]  [kernel lib dir path] ?
[12:04] <Loevborg> XposerX, sounds reasonable - I did install the -k7 version though.
[12:05] <Brunellus> nothing answers my question, though:  what could I have possibly done to break this?
[12:07] <Brunellus> aha!
[12:07] <Brunellus> OK.  now I know what might have happened
[12:07] <Brunellus> last night I did a kernel-patch
[12:07] <lavigj> hey guys, I just got a new USB storage drive, what do I need to do to get it up and running? I looked for a guide but didn't find much
[12:08] <Brunellus> but I had compiled ndiswrapper against my earlier kernel (which is why it worked), presumably
[12:08] <Brunellus> do I now have to remove ndiswrapper and recompile?
[12:08] <dash> What's the most convenient way to burn audio CDs from ubuntu?
[12:08] <dash> nautilus seems to only do ISO format
[12:09] <Loevborg> dash, k3b is quite convenient!
[12:09] <karsten> dash: cdrecord, k3b
[12:09] <Jug_> Brunellus: if you have updated kernel I guess you have to rebuild ndiswrapper also
[12:09] <StoffBox-Steve> someone have a all-in-one link for a nice Kernel making how-to inc. patching ( bootsplash ), extra modul install ---  will be nice!
[12:09] <dazed> does anyone run fluxbox in here?
[12:09] <Brunellus> I think that might be it, then.
[12:09] <dash> wheee 70MB of disk space
[12:10] <dash> bah, what else am i going to use that space for.
[12:10] <jeld> hello all
[12:10] <dazed> whatsa a good mp3 player for linux?
[12:10] <TongMaster> any hoary users seen problems upgrading mozilla-firefox?
[12:10] <TongMaster> E: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/installed-extensions.txt still present. Registration might have gone wrong.
[12:10] <bloc76> dazed, i like juk if your on kde
[12:10] <TongMaster> Deleting the file doesn't help :/
[12:11] <Brunellus> dazed:  xmms, but find the ubuntu multimedia howto
[12:11] <dazed> im on fluxbox gnome
[12:11] <TongMaster> Is this a known issue?
[12:11] <bloc76> i hate xmms
[12:11] <dazed> Brunellus: where is that?
[12:11] <jeld> dazed, for ubuntu GNOME try rhythmbox andor muine. muine though is mono based, so it will pull quite a few packages as deps
[12:11] <dazed> i tried to apt-get xmms said no installation file
[12:12] <Welly> I'm going to cry.. i can't find ANY possible way of installing ubuntu from a hard drive partition :(
[12:12] <Brunellus> dazed:  google for it
[12:12] <Brunellus> or wait:
[12:12] <jeld> anyone uses kde here?
[12:12] <dazed> jeld: i have used xmms is it possible to get it to work?
[12:12] <Brunellus> www.livejournal.com/users/ouij
[12:12] <jeld> dazed, I never tried
[12:12] <Brunellus> latest entry has lots of ubuntu-related links, multimedia inclusive
[12:12] <lavigj> so, I am guessing that to do this I need to make a filesystem on the USB drive, and then mount it. how can I tell where ubuntu sees the thumbdrive?
[12:12] <goldfish> dazed: 'apt-get install xmms'
[12:12] <goldfish> ?
[12:12] <Brunellus> goldfish:  he'll probalby want the mp3 codecs as well, eh?
[12:12] <dazed> goldfish: that came up with the error there is no installation file present
[12:13] <Brunellus> OK.  time to recompile
[12:13] <Brunellus> wait.  h'mmm
[12:13] <goldfish> hrmm
[12:13] <codyman> anyone might know why my usb sound card won't capture audio?
[12:13] <dazed> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:13] <dazed> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:13] <dazed> is only available from another source
[12:13] <dazed> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[12:13] <dazed> thats the error when i tried to apt-get it
[12:14] <c0rw1n> hey all, installation of warty-release-install-amd64 fails when trying to install the 'linux-amd-generic' package on an nforce3 based system, it states: Failed to fetch file://cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-amd64/packages.gz Read Error - read (5 input/output error). md5sum checks out ok, but if i check it again after the installation fails - the md5sum fails on the same file... any ideas?
[12:14] <jeld> dazed, I just got it installed, but I get some library problems, my system is in a bit of a disarray though
[12:15] <Riddell> jeld: yes, people use KDE here
[12:15] <jeld> anyone knows which package creates the debian menu in /var/lib/gnome?
[12:15] <dazed> jeld: howd you go about it with apt-get do you have to add resources cuz i just installed ubuntu last night and just figured apt-get out this morning
[12:15] <Brunellus> OK.  back in a bit
[12:16] <jeld> dazed, it seems to be in the main... let me check
[12:17] <StoffBox-Steve> lol im makeing a standart 2.6.8 kernel with the config from ubuntu and get a lot of error! normal ?
[12:17] <dash> hmmmmz
[12:17] <dash> cdrecord does not see my drive
[12:17] <jeld> Riddell, I am trying to uninstall KDE (don't ask), and the only thing left is the Debian menu in GNOME, do you know what creates it?
[12:17] <questioner> can anyone tell me what the universe repesitoire is so i can add it to sources.list
[12:17] <ggeecko> has anyone here switched from gentoo to ubuntu? and why?
[12:17] <sri> fear the questioner :)
[12:17] <sri> j/k
[12:17] <codyman> anyone know why "volume control" fails to load?
[12:17] <dazed> jeld what did you type 'apt-get install xmms' ?
[12:18] <dash> it also does not like me using a recent lunix. hm.
[12:18] <dazed> chekc ur source list for me
[12:18] <jeld> dazed, yes
[12:18] <jeld> dazed, I am using hoary
[12:18] <StoffBox-Steve> jeld, > sudo apt-get install xmms
[12:18] <jeld> StoffBox-Steve, of course, sorry dazed
[12:18] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[12:18] <lavigj> quick question, you do have to make a filesystem on a USB drive, right?
[12:18] <questioner> sri, do you know?
[12:20] <dazed> yeah when i hit up 'sudo apt-get install xmms' i get an error
[12:20] <StoffBox-Steve> what error dazed ?
[12:20] <dazed> dazed@Initial:~ $ sudo apt-get install xmms
[12:20] <dazed> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:20] <dazed> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:20] <dazed> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:20] <dazed> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:20] <dazed> is only available from another source
[12:20] <dazed> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[12:21] <goldfish> dazed: tried getting it from synaptic ?
[12:21] <StoffBox-Steve> check you sources list dazed
[12:21] <dazed> i have synaptic but i dont know how to use it wlel
[12:21] <dazed> stoffbox how do i check sources list
[12:22] <dazed> StoffBox-Steve: how do i check my sources list?
[12:23] <StoffBox-Steve> easy way oben synaptic, go top menu > settings > paket ... < sry dont know what list in eng. have a german install :) than checked the lines with universe ..
[12:23] <c0rw1n> anyone has an idea about what could be causing my weird problam (posted 10 minuts ago)
[12:23] <RupertSw> dazed, or use 'gksudo synaptic' from a console
[12:23] <jeld> anyone can help me with my Debian menu question?
[12:23] <questioner> Stoffbox, i want to add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list, can you tell me the 2 lines to add?
[12:24] <StoffBox-Steve> the 2 lines are allready in the list but outcommend questioner
[12:24] <questioner> ive only got ubuntu lines
[12:24] <questioner> 6 of them from wich 2 are commented
[12:25] <goldfish> dazed: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositoriesac
[12:25] <dazed> RupertSw: i did that do i edit my repository list?
[12:25] <goldfish> dazed: you have done that?
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> *** LONG POST **** < my source.list looks like this
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/ warty-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/ warty-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:25] <goldfish> paste bin tbh
[12:25] <dazed> goldfish: no
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian/ unstable main
[12:25] <goldfish> dazed: do that :)
[12:26] <dazed> goldfish: lol thanks im doing now
[12:26] <goldfish> no worries
[12:26] <goldfish> dazed: Ubuntu was my first time using linux, I had that problem for ages :)
[12:26] <goldfish> dazed: that site is very useful for getting stared
[12:27] <warty> ..
[12:27] <goldfish> hi warty
[12:27] <warty> hi
[12:27] <goldfish> ..
[12:27] <warty> im a noob
[12:27] <warty> in linux
[12:27] <jeld> StoffBox-Steve, what is in the backports?
[12:27] <goldfish> me too
[12:27] <warty> im starting..
[12:27] <warty> >p
[12:27] <goldfish> warty: What's up?
[12:27] <warty> its hard
[12:27] <warty> where u from_
[12:27] <goldfish> Ireland.
[12:27] <warty> im spanish
[12:27] <goldfish> oh right
[12:27] <warty> ...
[12:27] <warty> ye..
[12:27] <warty> xD
[12:27] <goldfish> I think there is a spanish room for ubuntu
[12:27] <warty> old
[12:27] <StoffBox-Steve> package form hoary or debian testing unstable .. that are make for warty , jeld
[12:28] <warty> sure
[12:28] <goldfish> warty: there is a channel for spanish speakers, #ubuntu-es
[12:28] <warty> i think im the joungest here....
[12:28] <goldfish> how old are u?
[12:28] <warty> youngest here
[12:28] <warty> im only 12
[12:28] <warty> ..
[12:28] <warty> ye i know
[12:28] <goldfish> k
[12:28] <StoffBox-Steve> 2 lines miss on list .. the normaly main  lines are miss i see, there was on top of the file :D
[12:28] <warty> u
[12:28] <goldfish> 19
[12:28] <warty> ah ok
[12:29] <warty> im learning bisual basic and linux...
[12:29] <dazed> goldfish: i did the thing on the site
[12:29] <dazed> and now it just doesnt find xmms form a lot mor servers
[12:29] <jeld> StoffBox-Steve, thanx
[12:29] <warty> vbs
[12:29] <warty> sry
[12:29] <goldfish> dazed: open up synaptic
[12:29] <c0rw1n> hey all, installation of warty-release-install-amd64 fails when trying to install the 'linux-amd64-generic' package on an nforce3 based system, it states: Failed to fetch file://cdrom/dists/warty/main/binary-amd64/packages.gz Read Error - read (5 input/output error). md5sum checks out ok, but if i check it again after the installation fails - the md5sum fails on the same file... any ideas?
[12:29] <warty> huh i supposed im 2 young 4 u bye...
[12:30] <StoffBox-Steve> goldfish, ubuntu is easy to use, i think and install is greatfull .. but marking a kernel kills me ^^
[12:30] <dazed> do it in synaptic?
[12:30] <goldfish> dazed: yeah
[12:30] <marcin_ant> again and again - please help me with ppp connection
[12:30] <StoffBox-Steve> have you updatet the list dazed ?
[12:30] <goldfish> StoffBox-Steve: Oh right, I havent tried that, only using linux 4 weeks or so
[12:30] <marcin_ant> how to start this on system boot
[12:30] <dazed> im doing sudo apt-get update right now
[12:30] <StoffBox-Steve> me 3 weeks goldfish ;)
[12:30] <dazed> then im goin to go in through synaptic
[12:30] <goldfish> lol
[12:31] <dazed> and add some servers
[12:31] <dazed> is that right?
[12:31] <goldfish> dazed: it should work in apt-get after you update
[12:31] <goldfish> dazed: just open synaptic
[12:31] <dazed> ok
[12:31] <goldfish> dazed: click search
[12:31] <goldfish> put in xmms
[12:31] <Loevborg> "apt-build source mplayer" gives me "cannot find source package for mplayer" - what's the matter?
[12:31] <StoffBox-Steve> i hav installed debian , gentoo , ubuntu .. and ubuntu is the best for a starter :) hardware finding and config is awesome from ubuntu :)
[12:32] <goldfish> yeah
[12:32] <dazed> tells me my password is wrong
[12:32] <dazed> to get into synaptic
[12:32] <dazed> but its not
[12:32] <goldfish> k
[12:32] <StoffBox-Steve> your userpw is use dazed
[12:32] <dazed> i know and its not working
[12:32] <dazed> for some reason
[12:32] <dazed> its worked before
[12:32] <jeld> hmmm interesting... it looks that xmms doesn't like nvidia GL libraries
[12:33] <dazed> i got it to work in apt-get finally
[12:33] <StoffBox-Steve> @ console try > # sudo -s  that synapitc
[12:33] <Marble2> in XMMS is ther esupport for hotkeys?
[12:33] <dazed> thanks for everyones help
[12:33] <goldfish> dazed: Woo :)
[12:34] <StoffBox-Steve> wooohooo compile a kernel with ubuntu standart config only take me an Hour :|
[12:34] <dazed> lol but ill be back once its done installing does it automatically put it in my apps directory or doi have to reboot
[12:34] <Brunellus> arrrrse
[12:34] <Brunellus> OK.  I've worked out what I did to break the system, and now I have no idea how to get it back
[12:34] <goldfish> dazed: think u need to reboot
[12:34] <goldfish> cant remember
[12:35] <Th3_YouNgesT> ..
[12:35] <blahrus> anyone in hoary have issues with totem play backing laggish
[12:35] <Th3_YouNgesT> no
[12:35] <dazed> ok but itll show up eventually
[12:35] <dazed> correct?
[12:35] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper was broken because I did a kernel-update
[12:35] <goldfish> yes
[12:35] <goldfish> in multimedia
[12:35] <Brunellus> and did not recompile ndiswrapper
[12:35] <StoffBox-Steve> automatic normaly, when just just try xmms at the console :) or form menu > start app ( last menupoint )
[12:35] <Brunellus> so when I rebooted, kernel was different
[12:35] <dazed> can i get limewire through apt-get?
[12:35] <Brunellus> so ndiswrapper wouldn't run
[12:35] <Th3_YouNgesT> .
[12:35] <Brunellus> so I tried to recompile now
[12:36] <Brunellus> and I'm still getting the ****ing "invalid module format"
[12:36] <goldfish> dazed: don't think so
[12:36] <questioner> are there any good tutorials on updateing my kernel, im using warty 2.6.8-1 abd would like to get the newest, would this be hard?
[12:36] <dazed> lol
[12:36] <StoffBox-Steve> so i try a reboot with a new kernel with ubuntu standart config ,, and when it dosnt work ... i think i must go out and kill someone
[12:37] <Brunellus> can anyone work out why I keep getting this invalid module format?
[12:37] <questioner> well how would i install a new kernel and such?
[12:37] <questioner> im totaly new to kernel things
[12:37] <StoffBox-Steve> be back
[12:38] <Quarupt> man, i think my java is screwed up, limerires GUI is all glitchy
[12:38] <Brunellus> h'mmm
[12:39] <Brunellus> what does "make dep clean" do?
[12:40] <Brunellus> er, "$make dep clean"
[12:40] <Brunellus> ?
[12:41] <wk1989> hi everyone
[12:41] <wk1989> i want to know how I can change the margin size in OpenOffice
[12:41] <wk1989> any ideas?
[12:41] <questioner> each time i start xmms i get the following error
[12:42] <questioner>  libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:42] <questioner> any help on fixing that?
[12:42] <Marble2> Any way for me to get hotkeys in XMMS?
[12:43] <Lathiat> Marble2: there is a plugin called itouch that i used at one point
[12:44] <StoffBox-Steve> MUHAAA, OK can someone explain me this >>> i make a new 2.6.8.1 kernel with the standart Ubuntu config ( the same i use to boot this kernel im on with now ), and when i try to boot i cant find the filesystem ? Hello wtf is going on ? and therefor i wait a fucking hour to compile ?! *arg*
[12:45] <blahrus> StoffBox-Steve: that doesn't really help us
[12:45] <blahrus> StoffBox-Steve: it would be 100's of things
[12:46] <chrissturm> stoffbox: probably a problem with your initrd
[12:46] <Lathiat> StoffBox-Steve: 1) Lay off the profanity 2) You need to generate and use an initrd (--initrd to make-kpkg if you are using that)
[12:46] <StoffBox-Steve> but the same think ( kernel and condig ) work fine, but when i recompile it its dosnt ? thats crazy
[12:46] <questioner>  libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <<< i get that each time i open xmms also i dont hear any sound
[12:46] <questioner> can someone help me withthis?
[12:46] <marcin_ant> does someone of you use ppp connection?
[12:47] <Lathiat> questioner: that error isnt overly bad
[12:47] <nictuku> marcin_ant, I do.
[12:47] <Lathiat> questioner: doe sound work in other applications?
[12:47] <StoffBox-Steve> maybe Lathiat, i do > make-dpkg kernel_image and than dpkg -i kernel_image < so what can be wrong ?
[12:47] <questioner> i dont hear any sound at all so i think sound might not work at all
[12:47] <questioner> any option to test this?
[12:47] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and you establish your connection on system boot?
[12:47] <Lathiat> StoffBox-Steve: Try reading what people tell you, gets you a long way
[12:47] <RupertSw> questioner, you could always cat something to /dev/dsp
[12:48] <dazed> can ubuntu run rpm's?
[12:48] <dazed> files
[12:48] <Lathiat> StoffBox-Steve: to repeat, you need to generate and use an initrd -- if you are using make-kpkg this can be done by passing --initrd to it.
[12:48] <RupertSw> questioner, or apt-get upgrade libmikmod
[12:48] <blahrus> dazed: you will need to convert them
[12:48] <dazed> .rpm files
[12:48] <qlo-xael> can anyone tell me if my ATI All-in-Wonder 9200's tv capture will work in ubuntu out of the box?
[12:48] <dazed> Blahru: how do i convert? and to what?
[12:48] <StoffBox-Steve> i make a lot of kernels the last weeks , form the easy way to the debian way ... and noone work 100% :S
[12:48] <Lathiat> questioner: check in you rvolume control for a good start
[12:48] <blahrus> you can't find what you need in the apt repos?
[12:48] <Xenguy> dazed: you don't want to run RPM unless absolutely necessary
[12:48] <Lathiat> questioner: make sure PCM and master is up
[12:48] <StoffBox-Steve> Lathiat, --initrd is set
[12:49] <dazed> well lime wire download is in rpm format?
[12:49] <questioner> the volume is maxed, whats the other thing?
[12:49] <Xenguy> dazed: what application are you trying to get?
[12:49] <dazed> lime wire
[12:49] <marcin_ant> nictuku: how do you start your ppp connection?
[12:49] <StoffBox-Steve> last time, i make my own config the kernel boot fine, ( i was really happy :D ) but the network dosnt work and the xserver cant start .. :(
[12:49] <Lathiat> Marble2: ther eis a dialup howto in the wiki (i think its in the wiki) if you are tryign to figure out hwo to setup a dialup connection?
[12:49] <qlo-xael> can anyone tell me if my ATI All-in-Wonder 9200's tv capture will work in ubuntu out of the box?
[12:50] <Xenguy> dazed: have you tried 'gtk-gnutella'?  It works pretty well for me.  Just a suggestion, not trying to tell you what to do :-)
[12:50] <qlo-xael> err video capture, u know, to watch tv
[12:50] <Lathiat> StoffBox-Steve: so you re-made the package with --initrd, installed the new package?
[12:50] <Lathiat> StoffBox-Steve: if you are using a custom grub config or somethign you will need to tell it about the initrd
[12:50] <dazed> oh no im all about new stuff i just want a file sharing program and i know limewire has a linux release
[12:50] <StoffBox-Steve> yes, do it a lot of times
[12:50] <dazed> can i apt-get gtk gnutella?
[12:50] <Lathiat> StoffBox-Steve: the defautl config should do it automagically
[12:50] <StoffBox-Steve> no using grub-update Lathiat
[12:51] <qlo-xael> StoffBox-Steve: what exactly errors are you receiving?
[12:51] <Lathiat> dazed: apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[12:51] <nictuku> marcin_ant yes I do start it on boot. let me check my configs again and I'll show you.
[12:51] <Xenguy> dazed: you should be able to (but I'm not on an ubu box right ATM)
[12:51] <dazed> got it its installing
[12:51] <dazed> thanks guys
[12:51] <StoffBox-Steve> on the installed kernel all work fine > find my 3c940 GB Lan , the nvidia card work, not on custom kernel nothing goes
[12:51] <Xenguy> dazed: yw
[12:51] <dazed> wo wait problemo lol ill brb i have to restart xchat
[12:51] <Lathiat> StoffBox-Steve: Why are you compiling your own kernel anyway?
[12:51] <HrdwrBoB> StoffBox-Steve: moral of the story.. use the onw that works :)
[12:52] <Lathiat> StoffBox-Steve: unless you *really* need to, your better of not
[12:52] <nictuku> as I couldn't find rc.local in ubuntu, I created a script in /etc/rc2.d/S99internet with basically "pon isp" on it
[12:53] <StoffBox-Steve> the standart kernel have tomany think i never need, that bootsplash will be fine, and its just this ... i want that is goes and i never give up ... since aweek
[12:53] <StoffBox-Steve> @ Lathiat
[12:53] <dazed> alright well its  installing after a 2nd try
[12:53] <dazed> so its all good
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> StoffBox-Steve: it's modular
[12:53] <nictuku> and isp is a /etc/peers config, afair.
[12:53] <marcin_ant> nictuku: hmmmm
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> StoffBox-Steve: you do not need to compile your own kernel.
[12:53] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and you don't have anything about ppp in /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:54] <nictuku> marcin_ant, and this connection was configured as dial-on-demand and persistent
[12:54] <nictuku> no, that isn't necessary.
[12:54] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and this is dial-up?
[12:54] <wk1989> how to i change the margin in open office?
[12:54] <StoffBox-Steve> must is modular HrdwrBoB, and its the think ... i want do make my own .. its killing me that im not enable to get one to work ...
[12:54] <nictuku> yep, 33.6kbps dial up
[12:54] <dazed> anyone in here use fluxbox?
[12:54] <nictuku> dazed, I do.
[12:55] <nictuku> unfortunately
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> StoffBox-Steve: there is no need at all whatsoever to make your own kernel
[12:55] <StoffBox-Steve> my last kernel was fine, but the kernel was unenable to get up my network card and the xserver gets an error ( maybe nvidia driver are installed ? ) ..
[12:55] <dazed> nictuku: im used to blackbox for windows (why i got into linux in the first place) now im on ubuntu running flux box whats the purpose of the tabs and wheres the menu config file?
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> you will spend hours configuring and breaking things
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> that were already working
[12:56] <StoffBox-Steve> a spend many hours jet HrdwrBoB
[12:56] <dazed> once gtk gnutella is installed what menu is it under?
[12:56] <dazed> found it
[12:57] <marcin_ant> nictuku: so what about your /etc/network/interfaces ??? anything about ppp in there?
[12:57] <nictuku> dazed menu = ~/.fluxbox/menu
[12:57] <StoffBox-Steve> have a link for a howto to install custom modules ?, i think when i compile the driver for nvidia and network card it just work fine :D
[12:57] <nictuku> marcin_ant, answered that already, no, it's not necessary to set that up. that's what /etc/ppp/peers/* for.
[12:58] <nictuku> there is also /etc/chatscripts/*
[12:58] <marcin_ant> nictuku: I know - but these scripts are for "pon"
[12:59] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and... /etc/init.d/networking
[12:59] <nictuku> oh yes indeed.
[12:59] <nictuku> well, it works for me this way :)
[01:00] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and I would like to start my ppp connection just with any other network interfaces
[01:00] <dazed> nictuku how do i get tehre
[01:00] <nictuku> if you setup the interface in /etc/network/interfaces it will call "pon"
[01:00] <marcin_ant> nictuku: yes but there is a problem
[01:00] <marcin_ant> nictuku: because it works nice when system is booted
[01:01] <marcin_ant> nictuku: but it doesn't work at all on system boot
[01:01] <marcin_ant> nictuku: because /etc/init.d/networking script doesn't wait for ppp
[01:01] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and it goes forward
[01:01] <nictuku> oh
[01:01] <marcin_ant> nictuku: while there is no ppp connection yet
[01:02] <marcin_ant> nictuku: I found info about debian bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23127786
[01:02] <nictuku> i'm not sure, but I believe that doesn't matter. networking script's job is to call pon, not to wait for it. pon (and other scripts) will set your interface, afaik.
[01:03] <nictuku> hmm
[01:03] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and there is a solution fot this but I even don't know how to use this diversion
[01:03] <marcin_ant> s/fot/for
[01:03] <marcin_ant> nictuku: you are right but when you have init scripts
[01:04] <marcin_ant> nictuku: you got script which will fire up network interfaces and then will enable firewall
[01:04] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and the problem is that my firewall doesn't work because there is no ppp0 yet
[01:04] <nictuku> hmm
[01:05] <marcin_ant> nictuku: so after boot I need to do /etc/init.d/networking restart and /etc/init.d/[myfirewall/firestater/shorewall]  restart
[01:05] <marcin_ant> nictuku: and everything works good
[01:05] <nictuku> there are many workarounds possible, I presume. You can setup your ppp connection to reload your firewall after it finish connecting, for example.
[01:06] <marcin_ant> nictuku: maybe your solution with S99internet is good
[01:06] <marcin_ant> nictuku: but when I got /etc/network/interfaces file and /etc/init.d/networking scripts I would like to use them
[01:07] <dazed> hey everyone
[01:07] <dazed> this is a really stupid question but...
[01:07] <goldfish> aloha
[01:07] <marcin_ant> nictuku: ehh I'll try
[01:07] <nictuku> I don't think it would work very well either. if you call "pon isp" and then "restart firewall" it won't work. pon is asynchronous, it goes to the background.
[01:07] <dazed> what on gnome desktop manager (ubuntu) do i use to explore my drives and programs and folders and such
[01:07] <goldfish> dazed: Computer > disks
[01:07] <dazed> im on fluxbox
[01:08] <goldfish> oh
[01:08] <nictuku> so your firewall will be restarted before it's all set. try finding a parameter for ppp that runs a script after connection is made.
[01:08] <goldfish> use a console :)
[01:08] <dazed> is there an explorer i can apt-get like konqueror or something?
[01:09] <thenuke> argh, does someone know where gdesklets store info about what desklets it starts on startup?
[01:09] <StoffBox-Steve> try nautilus dazed
[01:09] <thenuke> it wont start again as there are some problematic desklets :)
[01:09] <dazed> thanks stoffbox
[01:10] <StoffBox-Steve> np dazed
[01:11] <dazed> stoffbox
[01:11] <dazed> that nautalis brought up a whole desktop window on my fluxbox and now i cant close
[01:12] <Brunellus> OK.
[01:12] <StoffBox-Steve> when no modul is needed for boot i dont need a initrd.img , or ?
[01:12] <StoffBox-Steve> autch dazed, wait
[01:12] <nictuku> dazed you can try alt+f2 then clicking on the desktop. (alt+f2 will only work if you have gnome base loaded)
[01:12] <StoffBox-Steve> @console > nautilus -q  dazed
[01:14] <StoffBox-Steve> when no modul is needed for boot i dont need a initrd.img , or ?
[01:15] <Brunellus> OK.
[01:15] <oly> hi i am tryin to ssh to a friends ubuntu coputer, i got him to get openssh clients and server
[01:15] <Brunellus> so last night I compiled ndiswrapper 1.0
[01:15] <oly> i know his ip username and password, how ever when i try and connect it is refusing the password
[01:15] <Brunellus> it ran fine
[01:15] <Brunellus> that enabled me to grab a kernel update
[01:15] <oly> anyone know possible reasons for this, the details are definately right
[01:16] <Brunellus> everything ran fine until I needed to reboot
[01:16] <oly> i tried the same with another friend with out problem
[01:16] <Brunellus> whereupon ndiswrapper woulnd't load
[01:16] <dazed> hey im trying to customize my ubuntu....how can i get the window color to be like dark blue like i can on KDE Desktop
[01:16] <nictuku> oly the user account is not enabled to logon using ssh. ask him to try to log on himself.
[01:16] <StoffBox-Steve> on fluxbox i dont now , on gnome you can set the themes , and play with the borders and icons and so
[01:16] <StoffBox-Steve> dazed,
[01:16] <Brunellus> I've tried to recompile ndiswrapper
[01:17] <oly> what do you mean nictuku, he is logged in now
[01:17] <Brunellus> and it won't do.
[01:17] <nictuku> oly ask him to "ssh localhost" and logon using that user/pass
[01:17] <Brunellus> as in, I recompiled several times, and ndiswrapper fails to modprobe, citing an "invalid module type"
[01:17] <oly> okay, will get him to try thxs
[01:18] <Brunellus> so question is:  waht do I have to do to get ndiswrapper up again
[01:18] <Brunellus> ?
[01:18] <Brunellus> (apt-getting or any other internet tricks are out: the wlan-card is that machines' only connection)
[01:18] <Brunellus> can I rollback using apt?  and how?
[01:19] <Brunellus> and/or:  what steps must I take to recompile ndiswrapper so that it runs on the present kernel?
[01:20] <Brunellus> argh.
[01:21] <Brunellus> anybody home?
[01:21] <darmou> yes
[01:21] <darmou> how do you get the maintainer for a particular pacakge?
[01:22] <Brunellus> should be visible in synaptic
[01:22] <crimsun> darmou: apt-cache show package|grep Maintainer
[01:22] <darmou> thanks crimsum
[01:22] <oly> nictuku he is getting connection refused when using localhost
[01:22] <Brunellus> how do I recompile ndiswrapper to work with a patched kernel?
[01:23] <delltony> is array 6 gonna be released tomorrow anyone know?
[01:23] <crimsun> Brunellus: you need ndiswrapper-source from universe
[01:24] <mseney> can someone at a bash prompt try $man 8 glob and see if it brings up the page?
[01:24] <blah09> evening
[01:24] <crimsun> Brunellus: and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:24] <blah09> oh that ties in nicely with my problem =)
[01:24] <Brunellus> crimsun: so I *must* connect to the internet?
[01:24] <Brunellus> ugh
[01:24] <blah09> is there anywhere i can get older ubuntu headers?
[01:24] <crimsun> mseney: glob(7)
[01:24] <Brunellus> the only 'net connection on that coputer is the wlan card
[01:24] <Brunellus> which no longer works
[01:24] <blah09> 2.6.10-3? or are they the same as the -4?
[01:24] <Brunellus> becaus ndiswrapper won't go!
[01:24] <oly> why would ssh block you logging into localhost on your own computer ?
[01:24] <oly> i must be missing something
[01:25] <Vjaz> Anyone else have this problem with Totem-Gstreamer (Hoary, but I had this in Warty too) that the Contrast setting gets reset to zero with every restart?
[01:25] <Brunellus> crimsun:  i compiled ndiswrapper from source, anyway
[01:25] <Brunellus> as in, directly out of whatever came out of their tar
[01:25] <mseney> crimsun, i have a manual for studying to take the LPI 101 Exam and it says to type man 8 glob and read up on the section titled QUOTING. I don't understand why it's not the same as in this guide?
[01:26] <mseney> crimsun, i couln't find a section labeled "QUOTING"?
[01:26] <Brunellus> I had all the source stuff extracted to my home directory
[01:26] <mseney> * couldn't
[01:26] <Brunellus> I went to the appropriate directory
[01:26] <Marble2> how can i get my mouse3, mouse4, mouse5, etc buttons working?
[01:26] <Brunellus> hit make
[01:27] <Brunellus> hit make install
[01:27] <Brunellus> and nothing
[01:27] <Brunellus> well
[01:27] <Brunellus> sudo make
[01:27] <Brunellus> sudo make install
[01:27] <Brunellus> no problems, no errors that I could see in the output of those
[01:27] <Brunellus> but when it came time to modprobe ndiswrapper, I got "invalid module type"
[01:28] <Brunellus> so then I did a sudo make clean, and started over again
[01:28] <Brunellus> still the same problem
[01:28] <Brunellus> what am I supposed to do?
[01:28] <dazed> it wont let me install my application theme anyone have any ideas?
[01:29] <XposerX> does rhythmbox support the ipod?
[01:29] <StoffBox-Steve> ok guys just one really problem left :)  how to tell the new kernel to use the ubuntu nvidia driver to use with xserver-xfree ?
[01:29] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[01:30] <crimsun> mseney: I know of glob(3) and glob(7) but not glob(8)
[01:30] <Marble2> how do I extract a .gz?
[01:31] <crimsun> Marble2: gunzip
[01:31] <mseney> crimsun, hrmm. maybe it's a typo or something. I got this from ibm.com/developerworks
[01:32] <heikster> does anybody know how to mount a ntfs partition under ubuntu?
[01:32] <jesus\> i can't play .wmv files, what codec do i need?
[01:32] <StoffBox-Steve> w32codes jesus
[01:33] <crimsun> heikster: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[01:33] <stuNNed> hi crimsun
[01:33] <Brunellus> how do I install a .deb package that I've downloaded off the 'net (not with apt)
[01:33] <crimsun> jesus\: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:33] <crimsun> Brunellus: sudo dpkg -i
[01:33] <Brunellus> thanks
[01:33] <oly> please can some one help, why would ssh localhost get connection refused ?
[01:34] <andril> hello all
[01:34] <crimsun> oly: dpkg -l openssh-server|grep ^ii
[01:35] <oly> okay crimsun, does that reinstall it ?
[01:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: know how with openssh it will not write ~/.ssh/known_hosts?
[01:35] <oly> or checks existance :p
[01:35] <oly> ta,
[01:35] <andril> anyone know how to install Shockwave?
[01:35] <fsc> big hoary X/Gnome upgrade. cool
[01:35] <crimsun> stuNNed: ?
[01:36] <crimsun> andril: macromedia's web site has instructions
[01:37] <jesus\> thanks crimsun
[01:38] <StoffBox-Steve> what is the default grafik driver ubuntu use at install ?
[01:40] <jesus\> crimsun:  I installed w32codecs but totem still can't play the .wmv file
[01:40] <jesus\> should i reinstall totem?
[01:41] <demonix> use kaffeine
[01:41] <demonix> i have no probs with it
[01:42] <jesus\> but totem comes with ubuntu
[01:42] <Loevborg> jesus\, AFAIK, totem can't use win32 codecs.
[01:42] <jesus\> aha
[01:42] <tck> im tempted to upgrade to array-5
[01:42] <Loevborg> jesus\, it lacks an mplayer backend.
[01:42] <tck> is 6 not supposed to be out soon ?
[01:42] <jesus\> Loevborg:  what do you suggest as player?
[01:43] <jesus\> (kaffeine needs a lot of kde libs :/)
[01:43] <demonix> yeah
[01:43] <mseney> crimsun, ah so the (number) means the section of the manual page. so like if you do a $man -k globb it tells you the info for glob is in section 7 of the manual.
[01:43] <mseney> i think i understand now
[01:44] <mseney> maybe this is a different version of the manual and maybe is why it's in section 7 and not 8
[01:44] <Vjaz> It seems like Totem is broken for me in Hoary. Anyone else have problems with it?
[01:44] <fgx> i'd like a network profile manager at boot. do you know something useful?
[01:44] <Brunellus> arrgh
[01:44] <demonix> works for me in hoary i just dont prefer it
[01:44] <Brunellus> I can't get this fscking thing to work
[01:44] <Brunellus> tried to dpkg -i ndiswrapper-source
[01:44] <Brunellus> no joy
[01:45] <jeebers> hi, I use debian quite regularly .. thinking of trying out ubuntu.. are there any benifits at the moment over a debian install
[01:45] <Vjaz> The xine version especially has a problem. It won't start if I don't have my external CD drive pluged in.
[01:45] <crimsun> Brunellus: well, you then have to actually compile it
[01:45] <Greg___> does anyone know a good network troubleshooting page for establishing your wireless connection to the internet?
[01:45] <crimsun> Brunellus: read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source/*
[01:45] <Greg___> i have ndiswrapper installed correctly
[01:45] <Greg___> and the driver has been loaded
[01:45] <Greg___> but whenever i try to connect to something or ping, or ssh
[01:45] <hou5ton> I just installed Ubuntu, and have to sounds, ... and saw in forums to try this: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:45] <hou5ton> and then add in the line of the kernel this:
[01:45] <hou5ton> acpi_irq_isa=7
[01:45] <Vjaz> jeebers: A nicely setup Gnome desktop by default, and more recent stable packages.
[01:46] <hou5ton> is that still good to go?
[01:46] <Greg___> it just stalls for a while, and then says it couldn't resolve the name
[01:46] <demonix> hmmm
[01:46] <fgx> Greg___, what about /etc/resolv.conf?
[01:46] <Greg___> oh, what's in that
[01:46] <Greg___> or what needs to be in that
[01:46] <Greg___> i havne't looked in it yet
[01:46] <fgx> Greg___, dns servers
[01:47] <Greg___> ah, hmmm
[01:47] <Greg___> i guess that would do it
[01:47] <fgx> Greg___, there must be some value there
[01:47] <Greg___> i have to manually enter them?
[01:47] <Jet2k5> hello, is there anymore sound themes for ubuntu?
[01:47] <Greg___> or is there a way for it to figure out which ones to use?
[01:47] <Brunellus> crimsun:  how si compiling the ndiswrapper-source that I find in the .deb package different from compiling the daily .tgz which I've already downloaded and untarred?
[01:47] <fgx> Greg___, you have to put there your provider dns servers
[01:47] <Greg___> where do i find those
[01:48] <fgx> Greg___, mmmm maybe your provider web
[01:48] <crimsun> Brunellus: using Debian's module-building infrastructure generates a .deb for ndiswrapper-source and your specific kernel headers
[01:48] <Greg___> i'm booted in XP now, and i looked up the DNS address in the network connection details
[01:48] <demonix> you can use the networking gui too
[01:48] <Greg___> should i just make sure that address is in it?
[01:49] <crimsun> Brunellus: not using that infrastructure just overwrites files haphazardly
[01:49] <fgx> Greg___, it is something udeful, copy dns set in xp
[01:49] <Brunellus> Ok.  now we're getting somewhere.
[01:49] <fgx> Greg___, there is one primary and one secondary dns
[01:49] <Greg___> do you know where i see that in xp?
[01:49] <Brunellus> secon question, crimsun:  because I had already untarred & compiled the .tgz
[01:50] <fgx> Greg___, net-> tcp/ip-> properties
[01:50] <Brunellus> am I in trouble?  or can I extract & compile the .deb with no problems?
[01:50] <fgx> Greg___, maybe they are assigned dinamically
[01:51] <Greg___> yea, they're assigned dynamically
[01:51] <Greg___> is there a command to print out what they are?
[01:51] <jeebers> thanks vjaz.. but i've got specific configuration that wouldn't be the norm.. its not for destop use its for a kiosk type machine that just displays flash adverts from a browser.. only been able to get full screen browser working in kde using mozilla.. is it just a matter of doing a apt-get like debian to install kde or does that totally defeat the purpose of using ubuntu
[01:51] <fgx> Greg___, ipconfig /all
[01:51] <fgx> Greg___, from msdos prompt
[01:51] <Greg___> yea got it
[01:51] <Greg___> there's only that one i have written down already
[01:51] <fgx> Greg___, great
[01:51] <Greg___> address is same for the DHCP server
[01:52] <fgx> Greg___, ?
[01:52] <Greg___> i had tried adding that address in the DNS entry in the Networking GUI in ubuntu last night already
[01:52] <Greg___> and it didn't do anything
[01:52] <Greg___> any other suggestions before i reboot and double check it's listed in /etc/resolv.conf?
[01:53] <fgx> Greg___, wait, what happen if u ping an ip number?
[01:53] <jeebers> are people using kde 3.3 on ubuntu or just gnome?
[01:53] <Brunellus> I'll repeat my question:  if I had already compiled ndiswrapper from the source tarball on the ndiswrapper website
[01:53] <Greg___> in ubuntu?
[01:53] <fgx> Greg___, yup
[01:53] <Greg___> i only tried to ping www.google.com
[01:53] <Greg___> and it said couldn't resolve name, i think
[01:53] <fgx> Greg___, try IP first
[01:53] <Greg___> when i tried to ssh into something, it said "Temporary failure in name resolution"
[01:53] <Brunellus> does that prevent me from downloading ndiswrapper-source.deb, unpacking it, and compiling *that*
[01:54] <fgx> Greg___, it is surely a /etc/resolv.conf problem
[01:54] <Brunellus> or or will I break anything?
[01:54] <demonix> im on wireless and had the same prob
[01:54] <Greg___> ok cool, i'll reboot and give it a try
[01:54] <Greg___> thanks fgx
[01:54] <fgx> Greg___, ur welcome
[01:54] <hhhdsf> hi
[01:55] <hhhdsf> I'm doing my homework
[01:55] <hhhdsf> what's one important feature of lisp?
[01:55] <hhhdsf> that's the question
[01:55] <hou5ton> ok ... i've looked around the forums, etc. .. and could use some help getting sound to work on a new install
[01:55] <hhhdsf> i think it's the reverse thing
[01:55] <hhhdsf> but i don't know how to say it
[01:55] <Brunellus> lisp?  it makes you sound effeminate hhhdsf
[01:55] <hhhdsf> so any1 know?
[01:56] <fgx> any suggestion about a profile network manager at boot?
[01:56] <Brunellus> lithping ith uthually conthidered a speech impediment
[01:56] <Brunellus> Ok.  back in a bit
[01:56] <hhhdsf> i don't get it
[01:56] <Riddell> jeebers: yes, please use KDE
[01:56] <Brunellus> hhhdsf: a jest.
[01:57] <Brunellus> ok.  *one more time* to get this working.
[01:57] <hhhdsf> i'll look it up:)
[01:57] <hhhdsf> r u sure it's something i can write in my assignment, Brucellus?
[01:57] <dazed> does anyone know how to install application themes into Gnome?
[01:58] <mseney> crimsun, i definately have something wrong w/ my man pages on this system. I should have a glob(3) and i don't
[01:59] <mseney> crimsun, any ideas on how i could fix that?
[01:59] <crimsun> mseney: there's nothing wrong; just install manpages-dev
[01:59] <mseney> trying it now
[01:59] <fgx> dazed, art.gnome.org
[02:00] <fgx> dazed, all in the faq there
[02:00] <stuNNed> crimsun: i.e. known_hosts doesn't get written when the server sends it's public key...
[02:00] <dazed> ty
[02:00] <dazed> is anyone on Fluxbox in here?
[02:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: why would it when the keys are exchanged? that file is only modified when you, as the user, acknowledge affirmatively that you wish to add the host key
[02:01] <oly> okay got a bit further with ssh, it works on local machine but when making connection accross the net it gets permission denied
[02:01] <mseney> crimsun, that worked for the glob(3) thanks !! guess i have alot more to learn just about man pages.
[02:01] <oly> the port is open i did a port scan
[02:01] <dazed> fgx: i did what it said on that faq and it would not let me pick the recently installed style...thre was no option for it after done installing
[02:02] <oly> so what other reasons would there be for ssh to give a permission denied message over the net ?
[02:02] <fgx> dazed, ok next step: extract tar in .themes in your homefolder
[02:02] <goldfish> oly: problems ssh'ing to your box ?
[02:02] <goldfish> oly: or to another box/
[02:02] <crimsun> oly: please be less vague: Which server is giving that error?
[02:02] <goldfish> ?
[02:02] <oly> yeah,
[02:02] <fgx> dazed, it should work
[02:02] <oly> its a friends computer,
[02:03] <oly> ssh localhost allowed him to login and work correctly
[02:03] <goldfish> oly: Is he behind a router?
[02:03] <oly> but me trying, by using his internet ip does not
[02:03] <oly> yes, but a port scan says the port is open
[02:03] <goldfish> oly: Well, he has to forward the port on his router
[02:03] <goldfish> oly: It is not open externally
[02:04] <goldfish> oly: unless the router is forwarding the port
[02:04] <Brunellus> crimsun:  there *are* no docs in /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source/*
[02:04] <oly> oh, okay did not realise that, i thought if port was open the data could get through in both directions
[02:04] <goldfish> well
[02:04] <Brunellus> nothing but the usual ndiswrapper preamble, and a couple of changelongs
[02:04] <goldfish> oly: It depends who is doing the scan
[02:05] <goldfish> oly: It is open if he is scanning
[02:05] <oly> i did the scan on his ip
[02:05] <||QuaD|> any big mono users here?
[02:05] <Brunellus> so how do I go about compiling this, now that I've unpacked ndiswrapper-source?
[02:05] <crimsun> ||QuaD|: tseng is
[02:05] <goldfish> oly: And it said 22 open?
[02:05] <oly> it said port 22 was open
[02:05] <oly> yeah, for ssh
[02:05] <||QuaD|> tseng: you around?
[02:06] <Brunellus> crimsun, you still here?
[02:06] <tseng> ||QuaD|: hi.
[02:06] <crimsun> Brunellus: yes
[02:07] <Brunellus> crimsun:  OK.  there are no docs in /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source/*
[02:07] <Brunellus> other than the usual ndiswrapper preamble, with links I can't follow, a couple of changelogs, and an README.Debian which gives the package maintainer's name
[02:07] <Brunellus> that's it.
[02:08] <||QuaD|> tseng is there a way to figure out where unreachable code is, if i get unreachable code as a warning
[02:08] <stuNNed> crimsun: my problem is i have two computers behind the same domain name so i get a 'man in the middle attack' warning and no connect when switching between the two
[02:08] <tseng> ||QuaD|: doesnt sound familiar
[02:09] <tseng> could you be more specific?
[02:09] <||QuaD|> tseng: :( ok
[02:09] <||QuaD|> tseng: i am using someone else's code
[02:09] <||QuaD|> tseng: and it gives me a warning "Internal() warning CS0162: Unreachable code detected"
[02:09] <||QuaD|> so i want to find out where that is
[02:09] <||QuaD|> atleast a class or namespace
[02:09] <chrissturm> quad: why do you need to find out?
[02:10] <crimsun> Brunellus: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/InstallDebian
[02:10] <||QuaD|> chrissturm: so i can fix it?
[02:10] <tseng> is that from mcs? or at runtime
[02:10] <crimsun> Brunellus: those instructions will shed some light
[02:10] <||QuaD|> tseng: mcs
[02:10] <tseng> i really dont have much clue for you, could ask with specifics on #mono/irc.gnome.org
[02:10] <chrissturm> quad: just because theres unreachable code doesnt mean you need to fix something
[02:10] <crimsun> stuNNed: "switching between the two?"
[02:11] <||QuaD|> chrissturm: i would like to see whats causing it
[02:11] <dazed> anyone running fluxbox?
[02:12] <fgx> dazed, what about .themes?
[02:12] <crimsun> ||QuaD|: look for code underneath a return statement
[02:12] <Cr0no> omg
[02:12] <||QuaD|> crimsun: its thousands of lines of code
[02:12] <||QuaD|> crimsun: i know what the warning means
[02:13] <crimsun> ||QuaD|: it's similar to debugging unreachable code in C, C++, Java, ...
[02:13] <||QuaD|> crimsun: but there usually you have a line #
[02:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> is it correct to call linux "a unix"
[02:14] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: UNIX-like
[02:14] <kim1> any ppc ubuntu users wanna help with a networking LAN q?
[02:14] <stuNNed> crimsun: ssh to one computer name@domain different port, disconnect, ssh same_name@domain different port, the second time i  get warning and no connect
[02:14] <tseng> BROKEN_LADDER: it would be somewhat accurate
[02:14] <tseng> BROKEN_LADDER: linux strives to be posix-compliant
[02:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i thought unix was a proprietary name.
[02:14] <tseng> it is
[02:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> right.  it is posix compliant.  it is a unix clone.
[02:14] <tseng> its a certifaction
[02:14] <tseng> by the Open Group
[02:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> but it is not "unix" any more than save-on cola is coke.
[02:14] <tseng> which costs a good bit of money.
[02:14] <hhhdsf> #basic
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> does the cert say that it is "unix" or "posix compliant".
[02:15] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: it's most clearly stated on www.kernel.org
[02:15] <crimsun> "Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix, written from scratch by Linus Torvalds with assistance from a loosely-knit team of hackers across the Net. It aims towards POSIX and Single UNIX Specification compliance."
[02:15] <Brunellus> crimsun:  the whole business got started when I did an apt-get upgrade
[02:15] <Brunellus> when I did an apt-get upgrade, I already had the linux-headers installed
[02:15] <veristead> ok... is there a way to get my Ubuntu laptop to print off a network printer that is being shared by my Mac OS X box
[02:15] <veristead> ?
[02:16] <Brunellus> would apt-get upgrade upgrade the linux-headers, as well?
[02:16] <StoffBox-Steve> how to STOP the xserver ?
[02:16] <crimsun> stuNNed: the warning is normal
[02:16] <dazed> hey...i installed gtk-gnutella via apt-get and now when i try clicking on it ...no response it does nothing
[02:16] <chrissturm> quad: it seems there are versions of mcs that display the filename and others dont
[02:16] <crimsun> StoffBox-Steve: for what purpose?  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:16] <demonix> steve init 3
[02:16] <StoffBox-Steve> thx i try it :)
[02:16] <crimsun> demonix: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play foolish runlevel games.
[02:16] <||QuaD|> chrissturm: i am using the one on hoary
[02:17] <demonix> oh
[02:17] <kim1> anyone know how I can see other Mac's on my LAN?
[02:17] <veristead> ok... how do i set up my Epson Printer to print in Ubuntu?
[02:18] <dazed> hey...i installed gtk-gnutella via apt-get and now when i try clicking on it ...no response it does nothing anyone hlep me?
[02:18] <crimsun> ||QuaD|: set the MONO_DEBUG env var
[02:19] <veristead> anyone able to help me?
[02:19] <crimsun> ||QuaD|: mono(1) has more info
[02:19] <||QuaD|> crimsun: ok
[02:19] <||QuaD|> thanks
[02:19] <LinuxJones> veristead, install libgimpprint then gnome-cups-manager
[02:19] <crimsun> dazed: working on that. A fixed package will be in Hoary tomorrow.
[02:19] <LinuxJones> veristead, sorry sudo gnome-cups-manager
[02:20] <dazed> most excellent
[02:20] <dazed> thanks crimsun
[02:20] <crimsun> no sweat
[02:20] <tck> anyone see this --> http://farsight.sourceforge.net/
[02:21] <tck> looks promising, trying to develop proper open souce standards for IM video playback etc..
[02:21] <crimsun> tck: not until now, seems interesting on brief glance
[02:21] <tck> they have a chan on this server
[02:21] <tck> #farsight interestingly enough
[02:21] <tck> i think alot of peeps are crying out for webcam support
[02:22] <BockBilbo> any of you have managed to log into a remote computer using vnc and gdm???
[02:24] <Yomic> Is it possible to recover a deleted (or lost) partition?
[02:24] <fsc> what the hell is up with xorg 6.8.2.   redraw is way slow
[02:25] <dazed> does linux have some like super enhancing connection tool...cuz im gettin speeds of 12.0kb/s consistently and im on a shared 56k
[02:26] <Brunellus> OK crimsun, I think I know what you're on about
[02:26] <goldfish> dazed: It makes better use of connections
[02:26] <Brunellus> one mroe question:
[02:26] <fsc> dazed: no. there might be some compression going on, but don't trust numbers
[02:26] <goldfish> hrmm...
[02:26] <goldfish> or that :)
[02:26] <dazed> lol ok just wondering cuz i was definately surprised
[02:26] <Brunellus> in the InstallDebian page on the ndiswrapper wiki, it tells me to "fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules
[02:26] <BockBilbo> how do i recover the original menu in wmaker?
[02:26] <Brunellus> that command didn't go through, so how do I change that for ubuntu?
[02:28] <goldfish> Brunellus: apt-get install fakeroot
[02:28] <Brunellus> no, fakeroot is there
[02:28] <goldfish> k
[02:28] <goldfish> sorry
[02:28] <Brunellus> what isn't there is debian/rules
[02:29] <fsc> so has anybody noticed some slowness with xorg 6.8.2? or maybe it's metacity, but something is definitely wrong after the big xorg/gnome upgrade
[02:29] <crimsun> Brunellus: did you untar the source that the ndiswrapper-source file provides?
[02:29] <Brunellus> yes, that's untarred
[02:29] <Brunellus> I'm that far along
[02:29] <crimsun> fsc: I don't notice anything odd
[02:29] <crimsun> Brunellus: and $(cwd) ?
[02:29] <Brunellus> that wasn't in the instructiosn
[02:29] <Brunellus> what's $(cwd)?
[02:30] <crimsun> Brunellus: it prints your current dir
[02:30] <goldfish> current working directory
[02:30] <Brunellus> let me run upstairs and see.
[02:30] <crimsun> Brunellus: basically you need to be in the parent directory of debian/rules
[02:30] <Brunellus> I'm in /usr/src
[02:30] <crimsun> yeah, you need to descend two levels
[02:30] <Brunellus> no
[02:31] <crimsun> modules/ndiswrapper-source, I presume
[02:31] <Brunellus> I'm in /modules/ndiswrapper
[02:31] <Brunellus> yeah
[02:31] <Brunellus> so I should cd /modules/ndiswrapper/debian/rules
[02:31] <Brunellus> ?
[02:31] <crimsun> no, you should run fakeroot ./debian/rules ....
[02:32] <Brunellus> from /modules/ndiswrapper
[02:32] <Brunellus> right/
[02:32] <Kirsch> hey guys, whenever i try and open/save a file via sftp, it doesn't allow me to save it regardless of the permisssions (i know i have access to the file but it ALWAYS opens as read-only) any idea?
[02:32] <crimsun> Brunellus: I presume you really mean /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper, not /modules/ndiswrapper ...
[02:33] <Brunellus> yes.
[02:33] <Brunellus> sorry.
[02:33] <dazed> anyone run fluxbox in here?
[02:33] <Brunellus> cd /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper
[02:34] <Brunellus> fakeroot ./debian/rules binary-modules
[02:34] <Brunellus> correct?
[02:34] <crimsun> Brunellus: you may need to provide additional parameters like KSRC and KVERS
[02:34] <crimsun> Brunellus: depending on whether you're using self-compiled kernel source
[02:34] <crimsun> (or kernel headers)
[02:35] <Brunellus> no, they're out of the apt repostiories
[02:35] <bestadvocate> hello, I have returned from the land of the Mac, to find my Hoary computer 162 files out of date.
[02:36] <crimsun> better update && dist-upgrade, then :p
[02:36] <Brunellus> crimsun:  for the millionth time
[02:36] <Brunellus> the computer *has no connectivity*
[02:36] <sri> does anybody have any problems with playing cds on hoary?
[02:36] <sri> I keep having some permission problems
[02:36] <crimsun> Brunellus: that was to bestadvocate.
[02:36] <sri> and i can't eject the cd either.
[02:36] <Brunellus> sorry
[02:36] <sri> the damn device is like at 666, I'm not sure what could be the problem.
[02:37] <bestadvocate> sri dontyou hate it when that happens
[02:37] <sri> bestadvocate: yeah, I blame the kernel :)
[02:37] <Brunellus> Ok.  I'm going to fakeroot now.  if this works, I'll catch you on my other box
[02:37] <crimsun> sri: which device, though?
[02:37] <sri> /dev/hdc
[02:37] <sri> which is a cdrom according to demsg
[02:37] <sri> er dmeest
[02:37] <sri> goddam it.. dmesg
[02:37] <crimsun> sri: ok, and has udev created a symlink to /media/cdrom0 (and thus to /media/cdrom)?
[02:38] <sri> it has
[02:38] <bestadvocate> i wonder if updates have made sound juicer cool yet :=] 
[02:38] <sri> bestadvocate: yeah, it was broken earlier, wouldn't rip cds.
[02:39] <sri> crimsun: when I play gnome-cd it says "drive error" and in console it says "Error opening CD"
[02:39] <sri> crimsun: goobox works fine, but I can't eject the cd
[02:39] <sri> crimsun: I have to be root to eject
[02:39] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i cant get the nvidia driver work ... only vesa is running with my custom kernel, maybe why only vesa is in kernel ... i installed the driver from nvidia.com ... what must i change in the Xfree config do get them work ?
[02:40] <crimsun> sri: which device is cd player app configured to use?
[02:40] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: you can probably find a lot of stuff on google if you search nvidia and xorg
[02:40] <crimsun> StoffBox-Steve: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:40] <StoffBox-Steve> i know sri, google is my best friend :D
[02:41] <tritium> StoffBox-Steve, it's easier to use the nvidia drivers that come with ubuntu
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> but search hour for hour is boring, thats why i ask :D
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> the not work too :S
[02:41] <sri> crimsun: preference only gives me one choice CDU5211
[02:42] <crimsun> sri: odd. Shouldn't be a problem seeing your device permissions, and I presume your $USER is in the cdrom group...
[02:42] <sri> crimsun: on goobox it's the same device.
[02:42] <sri> crimsun: it is
[02:42] <StoffBox-Steve> i boot with my cutom kernel deinstall the driver and install it again > nvidia-gls-config enable < restart X but nohting x crash
[02:42] <sri> crimsun: and I've chmod'd it to 666 as well.
[02:42] <stuNNed> crimsun: i figured it out, thanks!!!
[02:42] <crimsun> sri: checked the bug report(s) for gnome-media?
[02:42] <crimsun> sorry, have to run out for a bit
[02:42] <ZolMed> I am trying to install Ubuntu and have a logitech cordless keyboard (part of Logitech mx duo).  Once I get to the "select your language" screen the keyboard stops working.  Everything before that it works fine.  I haven't been able to find a specific resolution to this in google or wiki, and I know the keyboard works in linux because i'm typing on it now !
[02:42] <bestadvocate> brb
[02:43] <sri> crimsun: attempting to use strace on the process causes my X session to hang and I have to go to console to kill strace
[02:43] <sri> crimsun: okay
[02:45] <racingcamel> is there a good tutorial to network printing on a shared printer installed on a windows machine?
[02:47] <sri> crimsun: thanks, I was able to find a ref to this bug
[02:47] <Brunellus> crimsun:  it won't dpkg
[02:47] <Brunellus> says I need ndiswrapper-utilities
[02:47] <Brunellus> ugh
[02:47] <StoffBox-Steve> sri, all the changes are done, nvidia is at etc/modules  glx-config is enable, xfreeconfig -4 is edit .. *hmm* any ide's ?
[02:48] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: are you using hoary or warty?
[02:48] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper utilities is nowhere!
[02:48] <Tarkus> How do i make a dual boot thing so i can select windows or linux??
[02:48] <StoffBox-Steve> warty
[02:48] <goldfish> Tarkus: Grub shoiuld do it for you.
[02:48] <goldfish> *should
[02:49] <Tarkus> ok thnx
[02:49] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: oh.  yeah so it's still xfreeconfig-4..what does /var/log/Xfree86*.log say?
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> tahts my section somethink wrong ?Section "Device"
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA Default Card"
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> 	VideoRam	132000
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> EndSection
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> wait i look sri
[02:49] <Brunellus> no wait
[02:49] <Brunellus> found it
[02:50] <dazed_> i need some help please...i was downloading konqueror and about 97% of the download (Via apt-get) it gave me this Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin_3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb  Connection timed out
[02:50] <dazed_> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[02:50] <Riddell> dazed_: apt-get update && apt-get install konqueror
[02:51] <dazed_> Riddell: will this start from fresh i mean it took me nearly an hour and a half on my 56k
[02:51] <StoffBox-Steve> sri, the log only shows the last free start or ?
[02:51] <Riddell> dazed_: no, it will continue where it got cut off
[02:51] <racingcamel> how do i get a shared windows printer to funtion, I always get the eror message unable to connet?
[02:52] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: well, it should tell you how it's starting and whether it loaded everything correctly, you should look for EE stuff in the log
[02:53] <StoffBox-Steve> sri, ok found this > (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[02:53] <dazed_> most excellent thank you
[02:53] <bestadvocate> that was a most excellent update
[02:53] <StoffBox-Steve> but the driver is at /lib/mudoles/nvidia.ko
[02:53] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: did you load the glx module?
[02:54] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: and also did lsmod | grep nvidia show up?
[02:54] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm when booting the only , i think form nvidia i see is > NVIDIA TLS links ....
[02:55] <StoffBox-Steve> somethink like that
[02:55] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: no, check to see if it loaded the nvidia kernel module
[02:55] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: lsmod | grep nvidia
[02:55] <StoffBox-Steve> nvidia               3468700  0
[02:55] <StoffBox-Steve> that come the i do lsmod
[02:56] <sri> that looks like nothing is using it
[02:56] <StoffBox-Steve> maybe i with vesa on now :)
[02:56] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: rmmod vesa and nvidia and then do modprobe nvidia
[02:57] <CarlK> hoary from Feb 14 - cardinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:57] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: but make sure in your Xfree86config file you have Module "glx" also in there.  Is uspect you do.
[02:57] <bestadvocate> the only thing not yet fixed is the 64 bit Mono install
[02:57] <StoffBox-Steve> ERROR: Module vesa does not exist in /proc/modules < ?
[02:58] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: so maybe you don't have vesa installed..do a modprobe nvidia again
[02:58] <StoffBox-Steve> glx is on GLcore ? and dri are off, sri
[02:58] <CarlK> I am trying to see what the card ID is of a atmel pccard wifi - what should show it?
[02:58] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: GLcore should be commented out
[02:59] <StoffBox-Steve> no error, good ? :D
[02:59] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: but you should also have a module called glx
[02:59] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: and I'm referring to the X module, not kernel
[02:59] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: so in Section "Module" you should have a Load "glx"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> jap >
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> Section "Module"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"bitmap"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"dbe"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"ddc"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"extmod"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"freetype"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"glx"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"int10"
[03:00] <sri> ok
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"record"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"speedo"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"type1"
[03:00] <sri> ack
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"v4l"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"vbe"
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> 	Load	"xtt"
[03:00] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: you don't need to show me the whole thing
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> EndSection
[03:00] <CarlK> hids?
[03:00] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: a yes or no is sufficient
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> sry simple copy past ... have it at the clipboard
[03:01] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: so I'm not sure whats the cause is here is.  I'd google around some and look at your log and maybe search the error in google
[03:01] <sri> StoffBox-Steve: that what I usually do.
[03:02] <StoffBox-Steve> i know, do it many many times for kernel stuff ^^ take me a few days do make a working kernel *GG*
[03:03] <error_29> good evening folks -- I did something stupid, and I hope somebody can help bail me out
[03:03] <error_29> I uninstalled metacity
[03:03] <error_29> rash, I know
[03:04] <Deviant> Im trying to setup my Essid but it keeps bringing up another ESSID thats on another network? any ideas why?
[03:04] <error_29> now, I can't reinstall it, because apt-get demands that I use my install cd
[03:04] <error_29> but it refuses to read the damn thing (the cd is fine)
[03:04] <farruinn> error_29: why not comment out the CD line and use the online repositories?
[03:05] <error_29> It's like the versions don't match anymore or something
[03:05] <error_29> how do I do that farruinn?
[03:05] <error_29> wait, I think I see what you mean
[03:06] <error_29> I didn't even realize the CD was still listed as a source
[03:07] <bestadvocate> i'm going to download some games while i have fast internet
[03:08] <error_29> ok, thanks farruinn, I think I can figure that out now.  I actually really prefer iceWM as the manager, but gnome is acting a little flaky without metacity.  In over my head here...
[03:08] <farruinn> iceWM, that's the one that looks like windows 95 or something, right?
[03:08] <farruinn> or maybe a previous version of it did...
[03:09] <bestadvocate> farruinn: and its faster than your average bear
[03:09] <error_29> not at all -- well, to tell you the truth, I hardly remember win 95.  IceWm has much nicer themes than metaciy, and you can cascade and tile windows etc
[03:09] <karsten> I don't have ubuntu in front of me ATM.  Is webmin-shorewall available for ubuntu, and how would I generally check package availability?
[03:09] <angelharp> does anyone know if the install cd has the complete LAMP stack
[03:10] <angelharp> ?
[03:10] <farruinn> karsten: it is available.  I use the 'apt-cache search [package] ' command
[03:10] <karsten> farruinn: icewm is themable.  There's a Win95 theme, among many ohters.
[03:10] <crazydeb8r> hey all
[03:10] <karsten> farruinn: I'm not on ubuntu ATM.
[03:10] <karsten> farruinn: Is there a channel bot and/or search page at ubuntu website?
[03:11] <karsten> farruinn: I'm *very* familiar with Debian.
[03:11] <bestadvocate> angelharp: its got linux and python aplenty, apachie not so much and not so much MySQL
[03:11] <crazydeb8r> Anyone know why XMMS cuts .m4a files about 2 seconds short?
[03:11] <karsten> farruinn: ...and #debian.
[03:11] <angelharp> so apt-cache is equivalent of rpm for Red Hat?
[03:11] <karsten> farruinn: ...um.  Oh, you weren't answering my question... ;-)
[03:11] <karsten> farruinn: NM.
[03:11] <farruinn> karsten: haha, well anyway google ubuntu+packages and there first hit ought to be what you're looking for
[03:12] <billytwowilly> Hi, evolution says I have 3 emails in my inbox that are unread and there aren't any there. What is wrong?
[03:12] <crazydeb8r> billytwowilly: did you click send/receive?
[03:12] <billytwowilly> yah.
[03:12] <karsten> angelharp: No.  'dpkg' generally is more equiv to 'rpm' command.  There's a bunch of higher-level package management tools for ubuntu/debian.
[03:12] <crazydeb8r> and you have your inbox selected?
[03:12] <karsten> farruinn: Huh?  What's Google?  </ducks>
[03:12] <billytwowilly> crazydeb8r, yah, it's weird. This happened once before and then I updated and there was suddenly email there..
[03:13] <crazydeb8r> whoa
[03:13] <crazydeb8r> are there any filters set?
[03:13] <karsten> angelharp: commands:  dpkg, apt-get, aptitude, apt-cache, auto-apt...
[03:13] <billytwowilly> not that I am aware of...
[03:13] <bestadvocate> I wonder why my update removed gnome-games package
[03:13] <billytwowilly> I only set filters to filter [elug]  to a mailing list folder..
[03:13] <crazydeb8r> ok
[03:14] <billytwowilly> heh.. I got it figured.
[03:14] <billytwowilly> updated again and now it is fine..
[03:14] <billytwowilly> strangeness.
[03:14] <crazydeb8r> odd
[03:14] <karsten> angelharp: APT HOWTO:  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[03:14] <crazydeb8r> Hey anyone know why XMMS is cutting my .m4a files about 2 seconds short>
[03:15] <goldfish> crazydeb8r: try #xmms maybe?/
[03:15] <karsten> angelharp: ...and Osamu Aoki's _Debian Referenc_ is also good:  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html
[03:15] <goldfish> -/
[03:15] <crazydeb8r> It's really odd and kind of disconcerting
[03:15] <crazydeb8r> mm, k thx goldfish
[03:15] <karsten> crazydeb8r: Same reason it was doing that two minutes ago last time you asked.
[03:15] <angelharp> thanks
[03:15] <crazydeb8r> haha karsten: no, it magically changed why.
[03:15] <karsten> crazydeb8r: Do you have transitions selected?  Disable them.
[03:16] <angelharp> I'm having problems with my Red Hat distro. I got an install and Live CD of Ubuntu at a Linux Users' Group.
[03:16] <crazydeb8r> karsten: is that in preferences?
[03:16] <angelharp> I use Linux mainly for testing web pages.
[03:17] <karsten> crazydeb8r: Yeah.
[03:17] <karsten> crazydeb8r: crossfade plugin.
[03:17] <crazydeb8r> karsten: I don't have that
[03:17] <angelharp> just checked 'warty' packages for ubuntu. No mysql. You were right bestadvocate.
[03:18] <angelharp> checking hoary
[03:18] <karsten> crazydeb8r: OK, scratch that.
[03:18] <Lathiat> angelharp: you probably need to enable the universe repository if you want mysql
[03:18] <karsten> crazydeb8r: Try this:  'mv .xmms .xmms-bak; xmms'
[03:18] <karsten> crazydeb8r: ...with xmms closed.
[03:18] <crazydeb8r> ok
[03:18] <bestadvocate> angelharp: if you put in universe packages from online, then you can get the rest of the LAMP
[03:19] <karsten> crazydeb8r: ...then try playing files.  If it doesnt chop, you've got a config option to find.  If it does, you've got a problem of a different fish.
[03:19] <bestadvocate> anyone ever play vegastrike?
[03:20] <crazydeb8r> karsten: still cutting off, but I did get an error.
[03:20] <karsten> bestadvocate: No.  I prefer vegasunicycle
[03:20] <crazydeb8r> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:20] <karsten> crazydeb8r: OK.
[03:20] <bestadvocate> karsten: i don't get it :(
[03:20] <veristead> ok... is there a place where i can get LimeWire that ain't limewire.com for Ubuntu?
[03:21] <karsten> bestadvocate: vegas-trike... == vegas-tricycle.
[03:21] <karsten> bestadvocate: Wait, you're already in #ubuntu
[03:21] <angelharp> bestadvocate: does the debian distro have mysql on the installation CD?
[03:21] <karsten> crazydeb8r: dpkg -l libmikmod2
[03:21] <karsten> crazydeb8r: ...you got that installed?
[03:21] <angelharp> and the rest of LAMP for that matter...
[03:21] <goldfish> veristead: google
[03:21] <crazydeb8r> checking
[03:21] <goldfish> veristead: http://www.addict3d.org/index.php?page=downloadfile&ID=2758
[03:22] <karsten> crazydeb8r: ...if not:  aptitude install libmikmod2
[03:22] <bestadvocate> angelharp: the debian distro has 8 cds, which have _everything_
[03:22] <CarlK> karsten - are we related? http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~CarlKarsten
[03:22] <crazydeb8r> karsten: ok.
[03:22] <karsten> CarlK: Depends.  Do you trace your ancestry on-planet or off?
[03:22] <CarlK> lol
[03:22] <karsten> CarlK: ...Karsten's my first name.
[03:22] <veristead> seemingly the file on limewire.com is in rpm format and i extract it, but in the installation files it says i need to cd to the directory i downloaded the installer, but i cnt find the installer. and then i need to go to console and type sh ./LimeWireLinux.bin
[03:22] <EugeneK> I'd like to swap the capslock and control key bindings for vi. How can I a) do that,  b) do it so that it would work both in the console and in gvim, and c) do it in such a way that I could quicky rebind the keys if I was working on someone else's machine?
[03:22] <bestadvocate> im off to play my new videogames!
[03:22] <CarlK> I have been hoping that they would come find me...
[03:22] <veristead> but it doesn't exist
[03:23] <karsten> CarlK: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
[03:23] <karsten> EugeneK: *just* in VI, or for all X?
[03:23] <angelharp> veristead: try ./LimeWire.sh
[03:23] <angelharp> I mean sh ./LimeWire.sh
[03:23] <Brunellus> feck.  is there an ndiswrapper-utils 1.0?
[03:24] <karsten> EugeneK: Simplest hack:  there's a ctrlcaps option in your X config.
[03:24] <karsten> EugeneK: Otherwise, you might create an .xmodmap file and source it in your .xsession
[03:24] <goldfish> veristead: it should be in the $HOME dir of the user you downloaded it with
[03:24] <Devinci> did you chmod +x Limewireblahbal first?
[03:24] <EugeneK> karsten: just vi would be fine, although I'd prefer it to be system-wide (not just X).
[03:24] <crazydeb8r> karsten: something's got dpkg running or something, I'll log out and back in and try that. Thanks
[03:24] <CarlK> karsten - too cool - I grew up in San Jose, had a client in Nappa
[03:24] <Brunellus> nvm.  got it
[03:24] <karsten> EugeneK: OK.  For systemwide, you'll also want a loadkeys hack.
[03:25] <karsten> EugeneK: Try:  http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/xmodmap
[03:26] <karsten> EugeneK: ...and http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/kmself.kmap.gz
[03:26] <karsten> EugeneK: ...first is for X, latter for console.
[03:26] <karsten> CarlK: Napa's very wet and grey right now.
[03:26] <EugeneK> karsten: thanx.
[03:27] <CarlK> karsten - Ever hear of Alkar Personnel?
[03:27] <karsten> EugeneK: I'm a *damnit* the capslock key should be my ctrl key kinda guy.
[03:27] <karsten> CarlK: On California?
[03:27] <CarlK> karsten - in Nappa
[03:28] <karsten> CarlK: I'm thinking of a place on California St.
[03:28] <jack__> hi
[03:28] <jack__> can u guys tell me
[03:28] <jack__> how do i "rip" a floppy in linux?
[03:28] <karsten> CarlK: ...though I'm finding them on Claremont Way.  How do you know 'em?
[03:28] <karsten> jack__: copy files onto one, or disk image?
[03:29] <jack__> i want the whole disk image
[03:29] <CarlK> yep - they used my FoxPro Dos payroll app for a while
[03:29] <jack__> cuz it's a boot floppy
[03:29] <jack__> how do i do that?
[03:29] <EugeneK> karsten: I'm assuming I'll need to install loadkeys and xmodmap? Is there a way to configure the keybindings on just vi, in case I'm on someone else's box?
[03:29] <veristead> goldfish indeed it is, but that is the compressed file. and i uncompressed it but there is no file called limewirelinux.bin
[03:29] <veristead> there is limewire.sh but that doesn't work
[03:29] <karsten> EugeneK: Probably.  I run Debian mostly.
[03:29] <pvh> My gEdit is suddenly very laggy. I haven't noticed problems in any other programs. What could cause that?
[03:29] <karsten> jack__: to put the image _on_ the disk:  dd if=<image file> of=/dev/fd0
[03:30] <jack__> thx
[03:30] <jack__> i'll try
[03:30] <karsten> pvh: Adolesence
[03:30] <jack__> for <image file>
[03:30] <jack__> u replace it with ur own location rite?
[03:30] <pvh> karsten: I don't get it.
[03:30] <karsten> jack__: That's, say, "floppy.img".
[03:30] <jack__> like /home/jack/1.img?
[03:30] <jack__> ok
[03:30] <karsten> jack__: Yes.
[03:30] <jack__> ok
[03:30] <jack__> thx
[03:31] <CarlK> karsten - was hoping you could tell Liz that i said "hi" - but it doesn't sound like you see her much ;)
[03:31] <pvh> gEdit is even laggy with a nice of -15.
[03:31] <karsten> CarlK: Well, depends.  They got positions open?
[03:31] <karsten> CarlK: ...I've got a bit of time on my hands.
[03:31] <CarlK> karsten - they are a temp co - they always do ;)
[03:31] <pvh> I get about a 500ms lag when I insert a newline, among other things.
[03:31] <crazydeb8r> karsten: I got the libmikmod, and configured it...nothing changed.
[03:31] <karsten> CarlK: Da.  Should I walk in and drop your name?
[03:32] <Xirdneh> hi there, i try to add Gmplayer to my panel, the only thing is that I have my media in a fat32 partition and because in the panel the gmplayer is not run like root so it wont let me see the fat32 partition... i have set up the options for the partition as rw,users... how can i see this partition without being logged as root?
[03:32] <jack__> bash: /home/jack/boot.img: No such file or directory
[03:32] <jack__> do i have to create the image file or something?
[03:32] <karsten> crazydeb8r: Still getting the error message?
[03:32] <crazydeb8r> karsten: no
[03:33] <karsten> crazydeb8r: Well, you solved _one_ problem.  Just not the right one.
[03:33] <jason^> what package would supply the 'mcopy' command?  it's required for syslinux
[03:33] <crazydeb8r> karsten: could it be because it's a VBR file? iTunes used to do this because of that
[03:34] <karsten> Xirdneh: For your vfat partition, something like this in /etc/fstab:  /dev/sda    /mnt/floppy vfat  user,gid=floppy,umask=0007          0    0
[03:34] <crazydeb8r> itunes only did it to mp3's...but it's the same idea.
[03:34] <jason^> oh ok i see nevermind
[03:34] <karsten> Xirdneh: ...create group 'floppy' if it doesn't exist.  Add yourself to it.
[03:34] <CarlK> karsten - it has been a while.. let me see when I billed them last
[03:34] <dazed_> anyone running fluxbox?
[03:34] <karsten> CarlK: NFC.
[03:34] <karsten> CarlK: NM.
[03:34] <karsten> crazydeb8r: NFC.
[03:34] <Devinci> dazed: had it for a while
[03:35] <crazydeb8r> alright
[03:35] <dazed_> Devinci: im used to black box 4 windows...why i got started on linux...anyway i was wondering how i edit the menu config file and the style config files for fluxbox...also wondering what these "tabs" are for
[03:35] <Xirdneh> karsten: the partition has been already mounted.. and the options are rw,users is not floppy is a partition in my HD, does the only thing im missing is the umask=0007?
[03:35] <karsten> CarlK: I don't see any 'l337 l1nu>< adm1nZ' position listings....
[03:35] <karsten> Xirdneh: 'gid=floppy' says "mount with group ownership == floppy".  You want to be part of that group.  That group has read access.
[03:36] <karsten> Xirdneh: you'll need to umount the partition, modify fstab, and remount.
[03:36] <Devinci> dazed, check one onf my theme is hosted on http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots-dev/DarkSamurai_fluxbox.jpg
[03:36] <Xirdneh> karsten, ok ill give it a try thnx
[03:36] <Devinci> Darksamurai was my old nick
[03:36] <karsten> Xirdneh: 'sda' should be modified to whatever the partition si.
[03:36] <karsten> Xirdneh: s/si/is/
[03:37] <Xirdneh> karsten, ok thnx :D
[03:37] <dazed_> Devinci: how do i edit the menu config file?
[03:37] <dazed_> wheres it located
[03:37] <karsten> CarlK: Hrm.  For some reason, Alkar's homepage links to the S:\ drive aren't working:  http://www.1alkar.com/njobs.htm
[03:37] <Devinci> are you running it atm?
[03:38] <dazed_> yes
[03:38] <dazed_> id also like to know where to get those tight plugins
[03:38] <Devinci> give me your ls -a
[03:38] <Devinci> in you homedir
[03:38] <dazed_> Devinci: your going to have to excuse me im just installed my first hardcopy of linux
[03:38] <dazed_> lil more english lol
[03:38] <goldfish> dazed_: type 'ls -a' in a terminal
[03:39] <goldfish> well
[03:39] <goldfish> the directory he wants it from
[03:39] <dazed_> ok
[03:39] <dazed_> i tyepd it
[03:39] <nathan_> hello all, anyone offer any suggestions for getting a sound card to work?
[03:39] <Devinci> its been a year since im not using flubox so i will recall the file from it
[03:39] <AMCDeathKnight> Hey guys
[03:39] <goldfish> emm
[03:39] <Devinci> list me all files that starts with a dot
[03:39] <nathan_> Web links or anything to get me going>..
[03:39] <AMCDeathKnight> when itry and install Ubuntu, my monitors switches off
[03:39] <AMCDeathKnight> and dosnt respond
[03:39] <goldfish> nathan_: try the links in the topic?
[03:40] <karsten> AMCDeathKnight: <ctrl><alt><f1>  Help any?
[03:40] <goldfish> nathan_: ubuntu forums maybe, search teh sound card type
[03:40] <AMCDeathKnight> i cant see, the monitor is off
[03:40] <AMCDeathKnight> so dunno
[03:40] <dazed_> .evolution .fluxbox .gaim                   .metacity                      .xmms
[03:40] <dazed_> .gconf                  .mozilla
[03:40] <dazed_> thres a hell of a lot
[03:40] <karsten> AMCDeathKnight: Well, sometimes it switches back on.
[03:40] <karsten> AMCDeathKnight: ...so I'll take it:  no diff.
[03:40] <nathan_> Goldfish, OK. Thanks....
[03:40] <dazed_> .                       .gnome                         .nautilus
[03:40] <dazed_> ..                      .gnome2                        .openoffice
[03:40] <dazed_> .bash_history           .gnome2_private                .qt
[03:40] <dazed_> .bash_profile           .gstreamer-0.8                 .recently-used
[03:40] <dazed_> .bashrc                 GTK2-Mist-Deep_Plastik.tar.gz  Software
[03:40] <dazed_> .blackboxrc             GTK2-Smooth-Lime.tar.gz        .sversionrc
[03:40] <dazed_> .DCOPserver_Initial__0  .gtk-gnutella                  themes
[03:40] <goldfish> oh
[03:40] <dazed_> .DCOPserver_Initial_:0  .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2              .themes
[03:40] <dazed_> Desktop                 .ICEauthority                  .thumbnails
[03:40] <dazed_> .dmrc                   .icons                         .Trash
[03:40] <dazed_> Documents               .kde                           vidz
[03:40] <goldfish> nathan_: np
[03:40] <dazed_> .esd_auth               .kderc                         X11R6.8.2-src.tar.gz
[03:40] <AMCDeathKnight> it worked
[03:40] <dazed_> .evolution              .mcop                          .Xauthority
[03:40] <AMCDeathKnight> how?
[03:40] <dazed_> .fluxbox                .mcoprc                        .xchat2
[03:41] <karsten> AMCDeathKnight:  does your monitor have onscreen controls?  Can you see anything with them?
[03:41] <dazed_> .gaim                   .metacity                      .xmms
[03:41] <dazed_> .gconf                  .mozilla                       .xscreensaver
[03:41] <Devinci> ok ok
[03:41] <dazed_> .gconfd                 musix                          .xsess
[03:41] <dazed_> thats everything lol
[03:41] <Devinci> lol
[03:41] <goldfish> hah
[03:41] <AMCDeathKnight> what was wrong, it worked
[03:41] <Devinci> edit .flubox
[03:41] <AMCDeathKnight> :-)
[03:41] <dazed_> how do i edit?
[03:41] <karsten> Damn this channel needs a kickbot.
[03:41] <karsten> dazed_: With an editor.
[03:41] <Devinci> vi .fluox
[03:41] <goldfish> ah relax karsten  :)
[03:41] <karsten> goldfish: I *am* relaxed!!!!
[03:41] <goldfish> try nano .fluox
[03:41] <AMCDeathKnight> Thanks guys
[03:41] <AMCDeathKnight> All hail Ubuntu
[03:41] <goldfish> Devinci: don't think vim is a good idea for a n00b :)
[03:41] <goldfish> karsten: lol
[03:42] <karsten> goldfish: ;-)
[03:42] <dazed_> goldfish: im in the nano thing
[03:42] <dazed_> read file?
[03:42] <farruinn> dazed_: I think it's supposed to be .fluxbox
[03:42] <Devinci> sorry cd .flubox
[03:42] <dazed_> ok
[03:43] <Devinci> nano -w menu
[03:43] <karsten> goldfish: BTW, I think I may have drunk a few of your relatives in college....
[03:43] <goldfish> karsten: hahaha
[03:43] <dazed_> Devinci: so type 'cd .fluxbox' then 'nano -w menu'
[03:43] <Devinci> yes
[03:44] <Brunellus> I'm in dependency hell
[03:44] <Devinci> from there you can edit your menu
[03:44] <dazed_> THANK YOU!
[03:44] <Devinci> lok at the other apps in there youll get the hang
[03:44] <Brunellus> I compiled ndiswrapper_1.0 from the tgz's on the ndiswrapper site
[03:44] <dazed_> im in nano
[03:44] <dazed_> but i cant edit
[03:44] <dazed_> doesnt move
[03:44] <Brunellus> I then updated the kernel
[03:45] <dazed_> got it nm
[03:45] <AMCDeathKnight> guys
[03:45] <Devinci> hehe
[03:45] <Brunellus> and now I have to recompile ndiswrapper
[03:45] <AMCDeathKnight> im in command prompt, how do i get to gui?
[03:45] <Devinci> you can also get rounded corners for your windows
[03:45] <Brunellus> and it...won't...compile.
[03:45] <Quest-Master> Is Hoary relatively stable today?
[03:45] <_tester_> startx
[03:45] <Tarkus> how do i install software on  linux??
[03:45] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks
[03:45] <Tarkus> (n00b question)
[03:45] <farruinn> ||QuaD|: how is it?
[03:45] <goldfish> Tarkus: apt-get
[03:45] <_tester_> apt
[03:45] <Brunellus> I've tried doing the stuff on here:  http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/InstallDebian
[03:45] <goldfish> Tarkus: or build from source
[03:45] <Brunellus> but it is not working
[03:45] <casimir> Tarkus: apt or synaptic
[03:46] <AMCDeathKnight> not working
[03:46] <AMCDeathKnight> startx dodsnt work
[03:46] <AMCDeathKnight> it comes up with error
[03:46] <Brunellus> I built ndiswrapper from source
[03:46] <Tarkus> how do i use synaptic and apt-get??
[03:46] <goldfish> AMCDeathKnight: Have you got an nvidia card?
[03:46] <goldfish> Tarkus: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:46] <CarlK> karsten  - 2000 was  the last year I billed them, but I can say that Liz is a nice person, and telling her I said so couldn't hurt
[03:46] <goldfish> Tarkus: have a read there
[03:46] <||QuaD|> farruinn: crashed twice already
[03:46] <Tarkus> goldfish: thnx
[03:46] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:46] <farruinn> ||QuaD|: oi, not what I wanted to hear lol
[03:47] <AMCDeathKnight> no not nvidia
[03:47] <goldfish> k
[03:47] <karsten> CarlK: Cool.  That's a few years ago though.
[03:47] <AMCDeathKnight> Ist a PCI video card
[03:47] <jsgotangco> *sigh* I have ATI hehehe
[03:47] <||QuaD|> farruinn: whenever i try to click on OOo2's version of the MSOffice paperclip it crashes (for writer atleast)
[03:47] <CarlK> karsten - yeah - but I worked "with" them for about 10
[03:47] <Brunellus> how do I recompile ndiswrapper from source after a kernel upgrade?
[03:47] <karsten> CarlK: OK.
[03:47] <Brunellus> WITHOUT using apt
[03:48] <CarlK> karsten - dinner time... good luck with job things
[03:48] <AMCDeathKnight> Please help
[03:48] <karsten> CarlK: Thanks.
[03:48] <AMCDeathKnight> it comes up server error and stuff like that
[03:48] <AMCDeathKnight> helpful?
[03:49] <Devinci> dazed_ , get rounded corners by adding this to your style file of your theme : menu.roundCorners: TopLeft Topright BottomLeft BottomRight
[03:49] <Devinci> window.roundCorners: TopLeft Topright BottomLeft BottomRight
[03:49] <Devinci> Toolbar.shaped: True
[03:49] <dazed_> are the style themes located in .fluxbox?
[03:50] <||QuaD|> farruinn: and he pops up soo often, i wanna keep clicking!
[03:50] <Devinci> probably
[03:50] <dazed_> and once im done editing menu ... how do i save?
[03:50] <Devinci> maybe under .theme
[03:50] <AMCDeathKnight> "Invalid MIT-Cookie key
[03:50] <AMCDeathKnight> or something like that
[03:50] <yonkeltron> upgrading to hoary....brb
[03:50] <AMCDeathKnight> start wont work
[03:50] <AMCDeathKnight> *xstart
[03:50] <casimir> control-O if you're in nano
[03:50] <AMCDeathKnight> im in terminal
[03:50] <Quest-Master> So..
[03:51] <AMCDeathKnight> sighned in as admin user
[03:51] <Quest-Master> Is Hoary relatively stable today? :P
[03:51] <casimir> Quest-Master, I'm using it, but my hardware isn't that quirky
[03:51] <dazed_> to use your own menu, copy this to ~/.fluxbox/menu, then edit
[03:51] <dazed_> # ~/.fluxbox/init and change the session.menuFile path to ~/.fluxbox/menu
[03:51] <dazed_> whats that mean?
[03:51] <dazed_> how do i copy?
[03:51] <Brunellus> OK.  I'm giving up
[03:52] <Quest-Master> Have you updated to today's Hoary casimir?
[03:52] <Quest-Master> Brunellus: What do you need help with?
[03:52] <Tarkus> what does sudo mean??
[03:52] <Quest-Master> Don't ever give up so easily
[03:52] <net_benjo> did anybody have a problem installing mplayer-386 package?
[03:52] <Quest-Master> Tarkus: switch user do
[03:52] <Devinci> just edit menu, dont bother
[03:52] <goldfish> Tarkus: It is a command to give you temporary root priveleges.
[03:52] <Brunellus> Quest-Master:
[03:52] <Quest-Master> Usually meaning, you switch to the superuser
[03:52] <Brunellus> I've been trying to do this for *hours*
[03:52] <Quest-Master> Or administrator account
[03:52] <Brunellus> I built ndiswrapper 1.0 from source
[03:52] <AMCDeathKnight> what doi do
[03:52] <Quest-Master> net_benjo: Don't install mplayer from apt-get
[03:52] <Quest-Master> It is broken
[03:52] <Quest-Master> Compile it
[03:52] <Quest-Master> Brunellus: Yeah
[03:53] <Brunellus> I then did an apt-get upgrade
[03:53] <casimir> Quest-Master: I just did UM's version of apt-get upgrade a few hours abg
[03:53] <Brunellus> and an apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:53] <Brunellus> that presumably patched my kernel
[03:53] <AMCDeathKnight> xstart wont work, what else can i try to get into xsystem?
[03:53] <Quest-Master> And it's stable.. that's good.
[03:53] <AMCDeathKnight> havnt got nvidia card
[03:53] <Brunellus> then powered down
[03:53] <Quest-Master> Brunellus: Ok.. so the ndiswrapper isn't working I presume?
[03:53] <Brunellus> then I booted up
[03:53] <Brunellus> correct
[03:53] <Brunellus> now
[03:53] <Brunellus> here's the kicker
[03:53] <net_benjo> Quest-Master:  when I first installed ubuntu (about 1 month ago) I had no problem installing it using apt-get...its only on my second ubuntu install that I'm having trouble.....did something change in the meantime???
[03:54] <Brunellus> the wlan is the ONLY connectivity I have in that computer
[03:54] <Quest-Master> net_benjo: Yes
[03:54] <Brunellus> so I can't apt my way out of this fix
[03:54] <Quest-Master> :\
[03:54] <AMCDeathKnight> xstart wont work, what else can i try to get into xsystem?
[03:54] <Brunellus> I have been trying to recompile ndiswrapper
[03:54] <crazydeb8r> If I have source for something and want to make a .deb out of it, how do I do that?
[03:54] <Quest-Master> And it still isn't working?
[03:54] <Quest-Master> crazydeb8r: check-install I believe
[03:54] <Brunellus> first from the same source I compiled it from to begin with.  no dice "invalide module type"
[03:54] <AMCDeathKnight> No its not working
[03:54] <net_benjo> Quest-Master:  thank you very much....i appreciate the tip..
[03:55] <Brunellus> then trying to use various debs which I pulled from the web
[03:55] <dazed_> Devinci:  to use your own menu, copy this to ~/.fluxbox/menu, then edit
[03:55] <dazed_> # ~/.fluxbox/init and change the session.menuFile path to ~/.fluxbox/menu
[03:55] <dazed_> how do i do this
[03:55] <Quest-Master> Actually, crazydeb8r: Just use checkinstall
[03:55] <dazed_> i edited .init
[03:55] <Quest-Master> No hyphen
[03:55] <Brunellus> which either turned out to be out of date (0.12, rather than 1.0)
[03:55] <Brunellus> or plain unhelpful
[03:55] <Quest-Master> Ack. That sucks. :\
[03:55] <Quest-Master> Are you on Warty?
[03:55] <Quest-Master> Or Hoary?
[03:55] <crazydeb8r> Quest-Master: It's not working...
[03:55] <Brunellus> warty
[03:55] <Quest-Master> That's weird. :\
[03:55] <Brunellus> the only solution I see now is to roll back
[03:55] <Brunellus> and I don't know how to do that
[03:55] <Quest-Master> crazydeb8r: sudo checkinstall
[03:56] <AMCDeathKnight> xstart wont work, what else can i try to get into xsystem?
[03:56] <crazydeb8r> Quest-Master: no...
[03:56] <dazed_> gold fish
[03:56] <Brunellus> I'm about five minutes away from backing up whatever meagre data I can and reinstalling completely
[03:56] <Brunellus> ugh!
[03:56] <dazed_> goldfish:  to use your own menu, copy this to ~/.fluxbox/menu, then edit
[03:56] <dazed_> # ~/.fluxbox/init and change the session.menuFile path to ~/.fluxbox/menu would you know how i would do this?
[03:56] <goldfish> AMCDeathKnight: You need a dpkg reconfigure
[03:56] <Quest-Master> crazydeb8r: And this is a configure;make;make install program?
[03:56] <goldfish> cant remember the command
[03:56] <goldfish> :/
[03:56] <dazed_> damn
[03:56] <Brunellus> what puzzles the living bejeezus out of me is why ndiswrapper isn't in the install CD
[03:57] <crazydeb8r> Quest-Master: Yes. And I didn't have checkinstall on my system, but I do now :-P
[03:57] <Devinci> dazed_ did you try editing menu^
[03:57] <crazydeb8r> thanks
[03:57] <Quest-Master> They tried to keep it to one CD, so I bet that's why
[03:57] <dazed_> this is what im currently doing devinci
[03:57] <AMCDeathKnight> how do i do that Gold?
[03:57] <Quest-Master> crazydeb8r: And it still isn't working?
[03:57] <njan> Brunellus, it's difficult for the average user to use
[03:57] <crazydeb8r> Quest-Master: waiting on synaptic
[03:57] <Quest-Master> ;)
[03:57] <Brunellus> Quest-Master:  they could have eliminated rhythmbox and put something useful on
[03:57] <dazed_> it told me to copy my menu file to some place or other here is what it says
[03:57] <njan> Brunellus, there are probably very few people who could set it up off the install CD
[03:57] <Quest-Master> Rhythmbox isn't useful? :P
[03:57] <Devinci> Just change a letter or so, that way you know you are on the right track dazed_
[03:57] <tritium> I likve rhythmbox
[03:57] <njan> Brunellus, esp. since they obviously can't bundle the windows drivers for NDIS cards on the CD.
[03:57] <tritium> like
[03:57] <Brunellus> out of the box, the multimedia is crippled, and I needed apt to get the appropriate codecs, etc
[03:57] <AMCDeathKnight> gtg, please pm me with how to fix my error
[03:58] <Quest-Master> I like Rhythmbox a lot too
[03:58] <dazed_> devinci: to use your own menu, copy this to ~/.fluxbox/menu, then edit
[03:58] <dazed_> # ~/.fluxbox/init and change the session.menuFile path to ~/.fluxbox/menu
[03:58] <AMCDeathKnight> xstart wont work, what else can i try to get into xsystem?
[03:58] <Brunellus> no, they can't bundle ndis drivers
[03:58] <dazed_> whats that mean?
[03:58] <Brunellus> but they can bundle ndiswrapper!
[03:58] <Quest-Master> AMCDeathKnight: Tried "gdm?"
[03:58] <njan> Brunellus, <njan> Brunellus, there are probably very few people who could set it up off the install CD
[03:58] <Brunellus> I had the ndisdrivers already.  I foresaw the need to use ndiswrapper, so I also backed up a tar of the most recent source
[03:58] <AMCDeathKnight> gmd not found
[03:58] <AMCDeathKnight> pm me with ideas
[03:58] <Quest-Master> gdm
[03:58] <AMCDeathKnight> really need it fixed
[03:58] <Quest-Master> not gmd
[03:58] <Quest-Master> :P
[03:58] <Devinci> then edit init and change session.etc to you menu location dazed_
[03:59] <Brunellus> now, because I built it from source
[03:59] <Devinci> whixh should be .fluxbox/menu
[03:59] <tritium> AMCDeathKnight, look at the errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log to try to narrow down the problem
[03:59] <Brunellus> I have a non-functioning 'net (dis)connection
[03:59] <njan> Brunellus, I doubt the extra space is worth it, tbh, I very much doubt that it'd be used in 99% of instances where people had cards it'd work with.
[03:59] <Brunellus> njan:  100-odd kb isn't worth it?
[03:59] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper is *miniscule* compared with some of the crippled or generally useless stuff that goes on
[04:00] <njan> Brunellus, I haven't checked how big it is, but I'm guessing 100kb counts on an ubuntu CD which has to represent the entire FOSS world :)
[04:00] <Brunellus> we can do without one gnome game to get ndiswrapper on an install cd.
[04:00] <tritium> AMCDeathKnight, it would be /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you're using Hoary
[04:00] <dazed_> Devinci: where is it i saved it to how do i know?
[04:00] <njan> Brunellus, besides, I'd hazard it's more than that when you account for having the .deb file in order to install it, too.
[04:00] <njan> Brunellus, besides, like I pointed out, if no-one can set it up, it's useless.
[04:00] <Brunellus> njan:  it's doing a lousy job of representing to me, now when I can't connect to the internet after doing the right hting and patching my kernel
[04:01] <Devinci> ~/.fluxbox/menu
[04:01] <Brunellus> sorry if I sound irritable
[04:01] <Devinci> or /home/dazed/.fluxbox/menu
[04:02] <Devinci> ~/ means your home dir
[04:02] <Brunellus> I jumped to f/oss because I was trying to get the most out of the hardware I had
[04:02] <dazed_> ok
[04:02] <Brunellus> now, because I tried to update, I can no longer connect, and I've exhausted every way I know how to fix it
[04:02] <Brunellus> so I'm tempted to give up and format and start *all* over again.  except that thsi time, I'll have to remember never to patch
[04:03] <tritium> AMCDeathKnight, did you take a look?
[04:03] <casimir> have you tried rolling back with /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:03] <casimir> to get connectivity?
[04:03] <Brunellus> no, because nobody's told me how to do that
[04:03] <Brunellus> I'm listening now.
[04:04] <casimir> I've only done it once
[04:04] <Brunellus> casimir:  that is infinitely more times than I
[04:04] <casimir> because I had a similar problem with my nvidia card and couldn't figure out how to roll back with apt
[04:05] <Brunellus> i'm listening
[04:05] <Xirdneh> hi there, anyone know how to add a command to the panel but with parameters, ex: giftd -d... i tryed but i cant give it parameters :s
[04:05] <casimir> in the directory /var/cache/apt/archives most old .deb files are kept locally
[04:06] <Brunellus> ok.
[04:06] <Brunellus> how do I roll back?
[04:06] <dazed> goldfish: lol...now i have no menu
[04:06] <goldfish> ahahaha
[04:07] <goldfish> well
[04:07] <dazed> when i loaded it it gave me a basic menu with xterm restart and exit
[04:07] <dazed> but i went back into my menu and it was still how i wanted it
[04:07] <dazed> and init was still how it should be
[04:07] <dazed> so im confused
[04:07] <tritium> Brunellus, what are you trying to roll back?
[04:07] <goldfish> hmmmmm
[04:07] <Brunellus> kernel?
[04:07] <goldfish> I don't know fluxbox :/
[04:07] <Brunellus> I don't know.  ti's the only thing that I can think of that would break ndiswrapper
[04:07] <goldfish> maybe there is an error in the code you put in
[04:08] <dazed> maybe htats could be what it is
[04:08] <casimir> dpkg -i <older kernel> ??
[04:08] <Devinci> dazed_, the system monitors I had on my screenshot is gkrellm, you can get it with this command:  sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[04:08] <tritium> Brunellus, what kernels are in your grub menu now?  They're not removed on upgrades.
[04:09] <Brunellus> tritium:  I don't know.  I'd have to go upstairs and find out
[04:09] <casimir> can you wait three minutes... gnome is telling me to take a break
[04:09] <Brunellus> (affected computer is up two fights of stiars)
[04:09] <tritium> Brunellus, have you tried simply booting into a different kernel from the grub menu?
[04:09] <tritium> Brunellus, what broke?
[04:09] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper won't load
[04:09] <dazed> Devinci: was that all the little plugins on the right?
[04:09] <Brunellus> "invalid module type"
[04:10] <tritium> Brunellus, that's in linux-restricted-modules?
[04:10] <Devinci> yes
[04:10] <Brunellus> no, tritium, I built it from the source tarball on the ndiswrapper site
[04:10] <tritium> Brunellus, why?
[04:10] <Brunellus> without ndiswrapper, I have no connectivity
[04:10] <Devinci> so i get that you are now able to edit you menu dazed_ ?
[04:10] <Brunellus> I couldn't apt-get it
[04:10] <tritium> Brunellus, there are ubuntu packages
[04:10] <Brunellus> tritium: I couldn't *get* ubuntu packages
[04:10] <Brunellus> I had no connectivity
[04:11] <Brunellus> I'm sitting at another computer now
[04:11] <Brunellus> the affected computer can only connect via the ndis wlan card that's in it
[04:11] <Brunellus> when I installed warty, I knew this
[04:11] <Brunellus> and so I backed-up an ndiswrapper tarball, and the necessary ndis drivers
[04:11] <dazed> Devinci: well i know how to edit the menu from bb4win...but im going to restart fluxbox cuz when i first edited the menu...it came up with nothing in the menu sept a basic "restart..exit...xterm"
[04:11] <Brunellus> I built ndiswrapper-1.0, installed the ndis drivers, and all was well
[04:12] <Brunellus> then apt-get upgrade
[04:12] <Devinci> hehe that means you added something wrong
[04:12] <tritium> What was upgraded?
[04:12] <Brunellus> used it happily for 1 day an dseveral hours (yay "uptime"
[04:12] <Brunellus> tritium:  ummmm...everything?
[04:12] <Brunellus> 90-some packages
[04:12] <dazed> *n00b afraid to ask* ndiswrapper is for Windows drivers for devices on linux?
[04:12] <Brunellus> I think, when it was all done
[04:13] <Brunellus> dazed:  ndiswrapper allows the use of some formerly windows-only wlan cards on linux by allowing the use of their binary device drivers
[04:13] <Brunellus> oh well, he'll google it
[04:13] <Brunellus> anyway.  I had to power that computer down sometime today
[04:13] <tritium> Brunellus, can you use the computer you're using now to download the ndiswrapper .debs from ubuntu, and transfer them via zip disk or CD-R?
[04:14] <Brunellus> oh, those.  as in ndiswrapper-source?
[04:14] <Brunellus> tritium, I did all that, and still no joy
[04:14] <Brunellus> downloaded ndiswrapper-source.deb
[04:14] <Brunellus> then dpkg -i it
[04:14] <tritium> Brunellus, then did you build it?
[04:14] <Brunellus> found out I needed ndiswrapper-utils1.0
[04:14] <Brunellus> yes, I built it
[04:14] <Devinci> so dazed_, you made the big step from windows to linux?
[04:14] <Brunellus> and here's the trouble
[04:14] <tritium> And linux-headers, perhaps?
[04:15] <Brunellus> tritium:  I already had linux-headers
[04:15] <Devinci> so dazed_, you made the big step from windows to linux?
[04:15] <tritium> goo
[04:15] <tritium> good
[04:15] <Brunellus> that's what changed on the machine
[04:15] <dazed> Devinci: yes and i love it evne though its 100000 times more work
[04:15] <Brunellus> but then it started giving dependency bulls***
[04:15] <Devinci> hehe, rewarding work ;)
[04:15] <Devinci> good for you
[04:15] <dazed> and Devinci i got that thing you told me (the plugin thing) how do i work it..should it just show up?
[04:15] <Brunellus> I rechecked versions:  found the right ones
[04:16] <dazed> and my menu is still broken
[04:16] <Brunellus> and still, ndiswrapper won't work
[04:16] <dazed> i think i fuxed something up in init
[04:16] <Brunellus> I can build the ndiswrapper-modules deb
[04:16] <Devinci> ok just type gkrellm in a console and see if it showa up
[04:16] <Brunellus> but when I dpkg it, it wont' go.  "conflicting modules"
[04:17] <Brunellus> I jumped to ubuntu to escape this kind of crap.  rpms did this to me
[04:17] <tritium> Brunellus, apt handles dependencies.  Not dpkg by itself
[04:17] <dazed> it showed up
[04:17] <dazed> but how do i keep it without having to type it in term everytime
[04:17] <Brunellus> yes, tritium, but my apt is crippled
[04:17] <lunitik> Brunellus: bad reason to switch to .deb... dpkg is no different to rpm on its own...
[04:17] <Devinci> now you can edit it
[04:17] <calc> Brunellus: typically you don't use dpkg, you use a package manager: synaptic, dselect, aptitude, apt-get (gag), etc
[04:17] <Brunellus> it can't access any repositories
[04:17] <Brunellus> because it has no connectivity
[04:17] <Devinci> i added it in my menu
[04:18] <Brunellus> because *ndiswrapper won't work*!
[04:18] <Devinci> ill pm you a menu exemple, follow that syntax
[04:18] <calc> lunitik: deb has other things going for it than just the package manager, though the formats both have equally annoying "features"
[04:18] <Devinci>      # Fluxbox menu file
[04:18] <Devinci>      [begin]  (Fluxbox)
[04:18] <Devinci>        [exec]  (rxvt) {rxvt -ls} </usr/X11R6/share/icons/terminal.xpm>
[04:18] <Devinci>        [exec]  (netscape) {netscape -install}
[04:18] <Devinci>        [exec]  (The GIMP) {gimp}
[04:18] <Devinci>        [exec]  (XV) {xv}
[04:18] <Brunellus> flood.  yay.
[04:18] <Devinci>        [exec]  (Vim) {rxvt -geometry 132x60 -name VIM -e screen vim}
[04:18] <Devinci>        [exec]  (Mutt) {rxvt -name mutt -e mutt}
[04:18] <Devinci>        [submenu]  (mozilla)
[04:18] <Devinci>          [exec]  (browser) {mozilla -browser}
[04:18] <Devinci>          [exec]  (news) {mozilla -news}
[04:18] <tritium> Devinci, stop it
[04:18] <Devinci>          [exec]  (mail) {mozilla -mail}
[04:18] <Devinci>          [exec]  (edit) {mozilla -edit}
[04:18] <Devinci>          [exec]  (compose) {mozilla -compose}
[04:18] <Devinci>        [end] 
[04:18] <LinuxJones> Deviant__, you suck
[04:18] <Devinci>        [submenu]  (Window Manager)
[04:19] <Devinci>          [exec]  (Edit Menus) {nedit ~/.fluxbox/menu}
[04:19] <Devinci>          [submenu]  (Style) {Which Style?}
[04:19] <Devinci>            [stylesdir]  (~/.fluxbox/styles)
[04:19] <Devinci>            [stylesmenu]  (Fluxbox Styles) {@pkgdatadir@/styles}
[04:19] <Brunellus> devinci:  flood
[04:19] <Devinci>          [end] 
[04:19] <Devinci>          [config]  (Config Options)
[04:19] <calc> Devinci: you er forgot to do the pm part ;)
[04:19] <Devinci>          [reconfig]  (Reconfigure)
[04:19] <tritium> Devinci, cut it out
[04:19] <Devinci>          [restart]  (Restart)
[04:19] <Devinci>        [end] 
[04:19] <LinuxJones> Deviant__, sorry Devinci YOU suck
[04:19] <Devinci>        [exit]  (Log Out)
[04:19] <lunitik> calc: I was saying in respect to "dependency hell" ... dpkg has nice things like --force-*, but for the most part, they are pretty comparible
[04:19] <Devinci>      [end] 
[04:19] <Devinci> oops sorry
[04:19] <Devinci> sorry, sorry
[04:19] <Deviant__> its ok I suck too
[04:19] <Devinci> i hit the wron key
[04:19] <LinuxJones> Deviant__, :D
[04:19] <calc> lunitik: heh yea --force-* is nice to f*ck yourself with
[04:19] <Devinci> wrongg*
[04:19] <Brunellus> lunitik:  should I just --force?
[04:19] <Deviant_> :P
[04:19] <Devinci> hah see im too tired
[04:19] <calc> lunitik: the majority of the people use --force-* to break their systems
[04:20] <lunitik> calc: if you dont know what you are doing... sure  :P
[04:20] <dazed> ?
[04:20] <calc> lunitik: ask daniels about it :)
[04:20] <lunitik> Brunellus: no
[04:20] <Brunellus> well, it's broken
[04:20] <lunitik> calc: haha   :)
[04:20] <lunitik> Brunellus: what exactly is wrong?
[04:20] <calc> lunitik: not sure if you know the story behind that one, but its very funny :)
[04:20] <Brunellus> lunitik:  ndiswrapper won't insert
[04:20] <Brunellus> keeps returning "invalid module type"
[04:20] <Brunellus> so I've been trying to recompile it
[04:20] <casimir> the question you have to ask yourself when using -f is "How broken is it?"
[04:21] <lunitik> calc: wasn't that the reasoning behind his boxen being down for a while (and thus fd.o and his blog..) ?
[04:21] <tritium> casimir, -f is not --force-*
[04:21] <Brunellus> I'm annoyed enough to seriously contemplate backing /home to a CD
[04:21] <Brunellus> and reinstalling warty altogether
[04:21] <calc> lunitik: no, fd.o got cracked, the --force-* issue was wrt some kde packages he once created that shipped a sbin file (not dir)
[04:21] <casimir> oops.. I have my flags backwards
[04:21] <Brunellus> but then, I'm in the same fix:  i'd need to build ndiswrapper to get 'net connectivity
[04:22] <casimir> like -u and -U on gentoo
[04:22] <calc> --force-* will happily unlink dirs for you to replace them with files ;)
[04:22] <lunitik> calc: ahh... that wouldn't happen to have contributed to him orphaning kde by chance?  :P
[04:22] <Brunellus> and now I've learnt that I can't really upgrade anything if I do it.
[04:22] <calc> lunitik: he didn't orphan it really, we both were maintaining bits of it at the same time
[04:22] <tritium> Brunellus, no, you can.  Just use ubuntu packages instead next time
[04:22] <Brunellus> so I'm back to my original question: is there a way to recompile/rebuild ndiswrapper *without* using *.debs?
[04:23] <calc> ivan was the last person to publically orphan kde (i think)
[04:23] <calc> and that was ~ dec 2001
[04:23] <Brunellus> tritium:  would I jsut dpkg them onto the system, once reinstalled?
[04:23] <Brunellus> I really don't want to have to wipe & reinstall if I dont' have to
[04:23] <lunitik> calc: blah.. not according to dwn  :P
[04:24] <Brunellus> but a non-connected box is worthless.
[04:24] <calc> lunitik: link?
[04:24] <lunitik> calc: It was a while ago... said you orphaned it... I remember being worried and stuff *nods*
[04:24] <tritium> Brunellus, it's hard to know what state your system is in right now.
[04:24] <lunitik> calc: was when you handed to "Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers" though...
[04:25] <Brunellus> tritium:  what do you want me to tell you?
[04:25] <calc> lunitik: yea :) until ~ dec that was just me
[04:25] <Deviant_> man setting up wireless is too much work.
[04:25] <calc> now it is being maintained by other people
[04:25] <Brunellus> all I know is that I built ndiswrapper from source.  it worked.
[04:25] <Brunellus> I updated ubuntu via synaptic.  it worked.
[04:25] <calc> i'm too busy with my new job to do much with debian currently :\
[04:25] <Brunellus> I rebooted.  it didn't work
[04:25] <Deviant_> come make mine work too.
[04:26] <Brunellus> I keep trying to rebuild ndiswrapper.  it won't work.
[04:26] <lunitik> calc: heh... I read the initial note... was a few other people listed... none did anything?  :(
[04:26] <Deviant_> there's an update for ubuntu?
[04:26] <Brunellus> apt-get update
[04:26] <Brunellus> no
[04:26] <Brunellus> wait
[04:26] <Tarkus> do u guys manualy type <nickname>: <message>    or is there something to shortcut <nickname>??
[04:26] <tritium> Deviant_, what do you mean?
[04:26] <Brunellus> apt-get upgrade
[04:26] <Brunellus> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:26] <goldfish> Tarkus: first letter + tab
[04:26] <calc> lunitik: i don't recall, there were people that helped at times, but not consistently like since dec :)
[04:26] <tritium> Brunellus, dist-upgrade can be dangerous
[04:26] <goldfish> Tarkus: type g, then press tab
[04:26] <tritium> but mostly for unstable
[04:26] <lunitik> calc: who's helping out now?
[04:27] <Brunellus> yeah, so I gather.
[04:27] <Tarkus> gok
[04:27] <Tarkus> lol
[04:27] <tritium> Brunellus, it's generally safe on Warty, though
[04:27] <tritium> I'll be right back...
[04:27] <calc> lunitik: several people i don't recall who all are doing uploads, dato, christoph martin, and a few others i think
[04:27] <Brunellus> this is the 'exception' that has proven the rule
[04:27] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, what kind of card do you have ?
[04:27] <lunitik> ahh... cool... whats your new job?
[04:27] <Brunellus> Linksys WMP11v4
[04:27] <lunitik> calc: ^^
[04:28] <calc> lunitik: i do proprietary linux dev work at a company in houston
[04:28] <Brunellus> known to work with ndiswrapper, even as far back as v0.7
[04:28] <Brunellus> (I know, because I've used it!)
[04:28] <lunitik> calc: awww... you suck  :(
[04:28] <lunitik> calc: :P
[04:28] <calc> lunitik: may be moving to another company doing debian open source work soon
[04:28] <calc> lunitik: hey i tried to get other jobs they won't hire me :\
[04:28] <Tarkus> g?
[04:28] <lunitik> calc: wouldn't happen to start with a C by chance?  ^_^
[04:28] <calc> lunitik: but i have several potential leads right now :)
[04:28] <Brunellus> the whole experience has taught me one valuable lesson
[04:28] <Brunellus> next time
[04:28] <calc> lunitik: no, i want to work there too ;)
[04:29] <goldfish> Tarkus: yes
[04:29] <Brunellus> I'm buying NetGear.
[04:29] <goldfish> Tarkus: type the first letter of the nick you want to type
[04:29] <goldfish> Tarkus: then press tab
[04:29] <Tarkus> i did
[04:29] <Frodo> Hi . is there any way to do an update without certain files locking synaptic up because they download at 630kps?
[04:29] <Tarkus> and it gave me a list of nicknames that start with it
[04:29] <goldfish> what happened Tarkus ?
[04:29] <CarlK> or just hit tab 330 times ;)
[04:29] <goldfish> ah right
[04:29] <casimir> Brunellus, good lesson to learn, I've been using prism2 based cards forever
[04:29] <goldfish> use irssi :)
[04:29] <zenrox> CarlK, 332 times
[04:30] <Brunellus> casimir:  now, however, rather too late for me.
[04:30] <Tarkus> irssi??
[04:30] <Frodo> btw, greetings to all PEACE
[04:30] <net_benjo> hello...i get the following message during ./configure for Mplayer  :  Error:  X11 support required for gui compilation...
[04:30] <goldfish> Tarkus: It is a different irc client, i think it is the best one :)
[04:30] <geppy|away> anyone in here with a GeForce Go 6200?
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> net_benjo: install the package
[04:30] <net_benjo> do i need to install x11 first...
[04:31] <Brunellus> one more plea to the developers:  please please please can we have ndiswrapper on the cd?
[04:31] <goldfish> I have a Go 5550
[04:31] <Brunellus> it would be really nice.
[04:31] <Quest-Master> net_benjo: Go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:31] <net_benjo> which package..x11 ??
[04:31] <Tarkus> goldfish, ok
[04:31] <geppy|away> goldfish:  How does it work for gaming?
[04:31] <Quest-Master> net_benjo: Go to the HOWTOS/FAQS section
[04:31] <Deviant_> anyone try broadcom 1350 wireless yet?
[04:31] <Tarkus> goldfish, ill get it
[04:31] <Brunellus> and I wouldn't be forced to do this sort of crap
[04:31] <goldfish> Tarkus: u have it already
[04:31] <Quest-Master> There is an MPlayer thread there, net_benjo
[04:31] <goldfish> Tarkus: comes with ubuntu
[04:31] <Tarkus> really?
[04:31] <Tarkus> where is it
[04:31] <Brunellus> suse puts ndiswrapper on its CD
[04:31] <net_benjo> thanks.. QM...
[04:31] <Tarkus> im using X-Chat
[04:31] <goldfish> geppy: only tried America's Army
[04:31] <Quest-Master> net_benjo: Use that.. it has everything on how to compile
[04:31] <zenrox> net_benjo,  get the dev backage to x11 and wany thang else that you will need to compile x11
[04:31] <goldfish> worked finie
[04:31] <zenrox> err mplayer
[04:31] <goldfish> Tarkus: type irssi in a terminal
[04:31] <geppy> goldfish:  What kind of FPS did you get?
[04:31] <goldfish> eh
[04:32] <goldfish> Dont know :)
[04:32] <Frodo> aww finally synaptic let go with an error saying "cant download certain files" and says it will set up without them
[04:32] <geppy> goldfish:  heh
[04:32] <geppy> goldfish:  Thanks! :-D
[04:32] <goldfish> sorry
[04:32] <Tarkus> goldfish, i did
[04:32] <Brunellus> ok.  will someone link me to the appropriate ubuntu ndiswrapper files
[04:32] <geppy> goldfish:  don't be. =)
[04:32] <goldfish> Tarkus: did it run
[04:32] <Tarkus> goldfish, umm.. it did, but it didnt open a new window
[04:33] <Tarkus> goldfish,  it just runs it in the terminal
[04:33] <goldfish> yeah
[04:33] <goldfish> it not a gui
[04:33] <goldfish> *it's
[04:33] <Tarkus> oh
[04:33] <goldfish> :)
[04:33] <goldfish> I prefer no gui
[04:33] <Tarkus> how do i join server?
[04:33] <goldfish> Tarkus: /connect servername
[04:34] <goldfish> for example
[04:34] <Tarkus> thnx
[04:34] <lunitik> Tarkus: /newserver
[04:34] <goldfish>  /connect irc.freenode.net
[04:34] <Devinci> dazed, did it work?
[04:34] <dazed> yessir
[04:34] <Devinci> good good
[04:34] <dazed> now ...how do i make it so gkrellm loads up with out the term?
[04:35] <Devinci> add it in your menu, so you can start it whenever you want it
[04:35] <lunitik> goldfish: /newserver isn't even listed here... what client you use?
[04:35] <lunitik> goldfish: uhh... /connect isn't
[04:35] <goldfish> lunitik: irssi
[04:35] <lunitik> goldfish: hmm... /newserver works in irssi too...
[04:35] <Devinci> [exec]  (Gkrellm) {gkrellm}
[04:36] <goldfish> lunitik: oh right
[04:36] <Devinci> add that in your menu file
[04:36] <goldfish> lunitik: connect has less letters
[04:36] <goldfish> :)
[04:36] <lunitik> goldfish: make an alias for it  :/
[04:36] <goldfish> heh
[04:37] <Devinci> dazed: gotta go, good luck with it, cya around
[04:37] <Brunellus> OK.  one last question
[04:37] <Brunellus> how do I use apt to act on a package locally
[04:37] <Brunellus> I dont' want it to get.  I just want it to install
[04:37] <dazed> thanks devinci see ya
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg -i
[04:37] <Tarkus> goldfish: how do i see the list of users on the right??
[04:38] <net_benjo> yeah...i found it QM...its very cool someone wrote that shell script...
[04:38] <TaaDow> we're sorry: your call cannot be completed as dialed, Please check the number and try again
[04:38] <TaaDow> lol
[04:38] <goldfish> Tarkus: you dont :)
[04:38] <goldfish> Tarkus: Did you join a channel?
[04:38] <Brunellus> well damn
[04:38] <Tarkus> lol
[04:39] <Tarkus> yea
[04:39] <Brunellus> OK.  back up and reinstall.  been nice knowing y'all.
[04:39] <Tarkus> im in it.
[04:39] <goldfish> Tarkus: /n
[04:39] <goldfish> Tarkus: shows users in it
[04:39] <goldfish> there is no list on the side
[04:39] <goldfish> :/
[04:39] <Brunellus> will someone point me to the right ubuntu packages for ndiswrapper
[04:39] <goldfish> I think you might prefer gui clients :)
[04:39] <Brunellus> so I dont' ahve to do this again ever fsking week?
[04:41] <lunitik> Brunellus: heh... 'ndiswrapper-source' and 'ndiswrapper-utils'
[04:41] <Brunellus> the ndiswrapper version contained in those is 0.12
[04:41] <Brunellus> latest stable ndiswrapper is 1.0
[04:42] <lunitik> Brunellus: 0.12+1.0rc2-1 is the version here...
[04:42] <daaku> i'm trying to compile my own kernel using make-kpkg, along with fglrx-kernel. my kernel compiles fine, but fglrx craps out. btw, i'm using hoary
[04:43] <Brunellus> precisely.  before this mess, I was running ndiswrapper-1.0
[04:43] <Brunellus> ugh.
[04:43] <lunitik> Brunellus: not entirely sure how much of 1.0 rc 2 would be in there...
[04:43] <chillywilly> lallalala
[04:43] <casimir> Brunellus, ndiswrapper-utils I think... but apt-cache search when in doubt
[04:43] <tritium> Brunellus, sorry, I'm going to have to go.
[04:43] <Brunellus> thanks for all, tritium
[04:44] <tritium> Sure.  Good luck.
[04:44] <Brunellus> casimir:  I can't apt-cache I have no 'net without ndiswrapper
[04:44] <skel_home> anyone know how long it'll take ubuntu to get the patched firefox into the repositories?
[04:45] <lunitik> casimir: apt-cache show ndiswrapper-utils states 'This package contains the userspace tools. You will also need the kernel module package'
[04:45] <Brunellus> *sigh*
[04:46] <Brunellus> OK.  one more question
[04:46] <Brunellus> if I build ndiswrapper the "right" way
[04:46] <Greg___> does anyone know a good troubleshooter page or anything on how to figure out why a wireless connection wouldn't be connecting to the internet?
[04:46] <Brunellus> it will show up in synaptic, and will upgrade and recompile every time I upgrade-dist, right?
[04:46] <Brunellus> Greg___, : what's your trouble
[04:47] <Brunellus> misery loves company.  I might be able to help you out
[04:47] <Greg___> i got ndiswrapper installed infe
[04:47] <Greg___> fine
[04:47] <skel_home> does anyone elses firefox crash randomly? amd64?
[04:47] <Greg___> and it says the driver is loaded
[04:47] <Brunellus> you build from source or did you use the ubuntu pakages?
[04:47] <lunitik> Brunellus: if you use 'ndiswrapper-source' it will upgrade that package... thus fetch new source regularly...
[04:47] <Brunellus> lunitik:  ok.  then it might be worth jsut wiping and reinstalling.
[04:47] <Greg___> but when i try to open a web page it says the name isn't resolved
[04:47] <lunitik> Brunellus: there is no binary .deb for ndiswrapper
[04:48] <Brunellus> greg:  ping your AP
[04:48] <dazed> anyone here framilliar with menu code for fluxbox?
[04:48] <Greg___> i did the "iwlist wlan0 scan" and it say all of the access points
[04:48] <lunitik> Greg___: ping 216.239.39.99  <-- google.com, does that work?
[04:48] <Greg___> and I put in the information for it to connect properly
[04:49] <Greg___> no
[04:49] <Greg___> i can't ping anything
[04:49] <Greg___> i tried pinging my dns address
[04:49] <Brunellus> OK, Greg;  have you set a DNS server?
[04:49] <Greg___> and all the packets fail to return
[04:49] <Greg___> yea, i looked up the address in windows
[04:49] <Greg___> i'm dual booting with XP
[04:49] <lunitik> Greg___: thats a little different than 'can't be resolved' then, heh
[04:49] <Greg___> well when i try to ssh
[04:49] <Brunellus> Greg:  set your AP as the dns server and see what happens
[04:49] <Greg___> that's the error
[04:49] <lunitik> Greg___: looks like you're in the same boat as Brunellus
[04:49] <Greg___> "Temporary failure in name resolve"
[04:49] <lunitik> Brunellus: its not a DNS problem
[04:49] <Greg___> what's my ap?
[04:49] <Greg___> that's the one part i wasn't sure about
[04:50] <lunitik> Brunellus: he can't ping google via IP address either
[04:50] <Brunellus> 192.168.0.1 probably
[04:50] <Greg___> access point?
[04:50] <Greg___> yea
[04:50] <Brunellus> "192 dot 168 dot 0 dot 1
[04:50] <Brunellus> probably
[04:50] <Greg___> yup
[04:50] <lunitik> Greg___: ignore what he is saying about DNS
[04:50] <geppy> Anyone with a Sony  VGN-FS500?
[04:50] <Greg___> i didn't ry to ping the ip address of google
[04:50] <Greg___> i tried to ping www.google.com
[04:50] <Greg___> but i also tried to ping 192.168.0.1
[04:50] <Greg___> and that didn't work either
[04:50] <lunitik> Greg___: if 'ping 216.239.39.99' didn't work, its NOT DNS!!!
[04:50] <Brunellus> oh, ok
[04:50] <Greg___> google doesn't open on a webpage
[04:51] <Greg___> ok
[04:51] <Brunellus> Greg___: dmesg and see what comes out
[04:51] <Greg___> yea, i was just specifing to brunellus
[04:51] <Greg___> in dmesg all the correct ndiswrapper lines are present
[04:51] <Brunellus> oh, oK.  then you're not int he same fix as I am.
[04:51] <lunitik> Brunellus: ps, did you upgrade kernel since installing ndis wrapper btw?
[04:51] <Greg___> says they're all loaded and everything
[04:52] <Brunellus> lunitik:  yes.  I've been working out how to recompile ndiswrapper since the kernel upgrade
[04:52] <Brunellus> the make; make install that I used to begin with didn't work
[04:52] <Brunellus> so I started looking for other ways
[04:52] <Brunellus> tried the deb packages, but they put me in all sorts of dependency amusement
[04:52] <lunitik> Brunellus: ahh... you get ndiswrapper for a specific kernel?
[04:53] <Brunellus> h'mmmm. I don't think so
[04:53] <lunitik> Brunellus: as a temp solution... could just boot the old kernel?
[04:53] <lunitik> Brunellus: see if it still works...
[04:53] <Brunellus> lunitik:  how would I do that?
[04:54] <lunitik> Brunellus: during boot... it states "Press ESC to enter bootloader menu" or somesuch, do it  :P
[04:54] <lunitik> Brunellus: might want to go into /boot/grub/menu.lst and change 'timeout=' to something greater than 3 secs though  ;)
[04:55] <Greg___> Iunitik: have any idea what I should try?
[04:55] <Greg___> the dns address is in my /etc/resolv.conf file
[04:56] <Greg___> is there supposed to be more than one line in it?
[04:56] <Brunellus> lunitik:  if it works, then what?
[04:56] <lunitik> Greg___: if you can't ping an IP address on the net... thats not the issue...
[04:56] <Brunellus> could I apt-get the relevant packages without messing with it?
[04:56] <Greg___> so you have any idea what the issue is?
[04:57] <Greg___> like is there a way i can tell if it's even correctly connecting to the access point?
[04:57] <javier> ;o
[04:57] <lunitik> Brunellus: Was anything wrong with the kernel you were using (everything worked etc?)
[04:57] <Brunellus> everything worked great
[04:57] <javier> wow, a few problems with ubuntu (just installed it from the box)
[04:57] <lunitik> Brunellus: if so, no real need to upgrade any more
[04:57] <Brunellus> I was jsut following the ubuntu-multimedia howto
[04:57] <casimir> Greg___, are you using any kind of WEP and/or are you getting an IP from DHCP on the AP/Router?
[04:58] <lunitik> Brunellus: remove 'linux-386' and 'linux-image-386'
[04:58] <Greg___> the router i'm using does have a WEP key
[04:58] <Greg___> i think it's specified correctly
[04:58] <lunitik> Brunellus: then it won't keep upgrading kernels
[04:58] <Greg___> i've read what the /etc/network/interfaces is supposed to look like
[04:58] <lunitik> Greg___: ping localhost  <-- does anything?
[04:58] <Greg___> and the wireless_ lines seemed to be entered correctly
[04:58] <Tarkus> yo, how do i install software on linux??
[04:58] <AcidWolf> hmmmm
[04:58] <Brunellus> Tarkus:
[04:58] <Greg___> hm, i'll go give that a try
[04:58] <Brunellus> www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:58] <javier> someone can help? im trying to get workin X11, i have a GF6800 and the 'nv' driver doesnt support it, so.. i downloaded the driver from nvidia.com and now it says that no precompiled kernel interface was found that match my kernel. rofl
[04:59] <Tarkus> i download a .tar.gz file, and i extracted it to Home/111/
[04:59] <lunitik> Tarkus: apt-get install someshit
[04:59] <javier> any ideas?
[04:59] <AcidWolf> there 2 files time and date now id like to view there paths
[04:59] <AcidWolf> whats the command
[04:59] <Brunellus> Tarkus:  the various pages where software lives will have instructions.
[04:59] <Brunellus> OK.  I'm going to reboot to the old kernel
[04:59] <lunitik> javier: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:59] <Brunellus> if I reboot to the old kernel, and it works
[04:59] <javier> thx
[05:00] <Brunellus> how do I tell grub to load the old kernel, and not the new one?
[05:00] <casimir> javier, add the universe repository to apt, then apt-get nvidia-glx
[05:00] <javier> does it comes with a text browser? like links or something like that
[05:00] <Brunellus> and if the old kernel loads, will it break things that I installed after the upgrade?
[05:01] <javier> casimir: how do i add "the universe repository" to apt? i come from gentoo, im used to portage but have no idea about apt
[05:01] <siimo> anyone know when ubuntu unstable/grumpy (like debian sid?) will be available ?  after hoary is out?
[05:02] <lunitik> javier: in /etc/apt/sources.list  ... add 'universe multiverse' to one of the lines that state 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[05:02] <Brunellus> ok.  I'm gone.
[05:02] <AcidWolf> i think hoary is out on the 5th of next month
[05:02] <lunitik> casimir: ^^
[05:02] <lunitik> javier: sorry bout that... heh... but no... apt-get install elinks  :)
[05:02] <javier> k, hehe ;-)
[05:03] <casimir> javier, I have gentoo on my desktop as well
[05:03] <javier> sweet
[05:03] <casimir> apt tends to grow on you
[05:04] <DonL> I like apt myself
[05:04] <javier> im just testing ubuntu, i ordered the cd's a couple of weeks a go. they just arrived yesterday ;o
[05:04] <javier> :>
[05:05] <DonL> How many did you get, javier ?
[05:05] <javier> 12
[05:06] <lunitik> javier: better put them to good use  :P
[05:06] <DonL> I got ten and they didn't last long. Of course, what people are going to use them for may be a different thing
[05:06] <javier> 8 Intel x86 and 2 amd64
[05:06] <javier> jaja yeah
[05:07] <lunitik> Wheres the Remove part?  *blush*
[05:07] <javier> im sharing the spirit of ubuntu
[05:07] <Burgundavia> BobaFett: What is the issue?
[05:07] <javier> i already gave 5 cd's to friends
[05:08] <javier> :>
[05:08] <lunitik> uhh... wait, the remove part is obvious... I meant wheres the add part  :o
[05:08] <BobaFett> Ahhhh...It beats me, mr. Burgundavia...installation works fine, everything works fine...but it just wont boot!
[05:08] <dazed> hey anyone framilliar with fluxbox?
[05:08] <AMCDeathKnight> WHats Ubuntus default root password?
[05:08] <Burgundavia> BobaFett: Where does it get too?
[05:08] <Burgundavia> AMCDeathKnight: Uses sudo by default
[05:08] <BobaFett> After the 'your puter will now reboot, enjoy ubuntu', it reboots and it just stays blank...
[05:09] <AMCDeathKnight> yeh it askes for password when i do sudo
[05:09] <AMCDeathKnight> is the pass suo?
[05:09] <DonL> javier, me too. I give them out, give them my phone number, offer all the hlp I can, and they still don't use them. Blows me away. These are people crying about the latest virus
[05:09] <AMCDeathKnight> *sudo
[05:09] <goldfish> your login password
[05:09] <Burgundavia> AMCDeathKnight: your own
[05:09] <AMCDeathKnight> havnt set it, just installed it
[05:09] <Burgundavia> AMCDeathKnight: Sudo uses the same password as you do, there is no root password
[05:09] <AMCDeathKnight> oh
[05:09] <dazed> goldfish: hey everything is working but i was wondering if you knew how i could get into my styles folder i think i saw somewhere that its located ~./fluxbox/styles/ but i dunno how to get in to edit the styles
[05:09] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[05:10] <AMCDeathKnight> letmme check
[05:10] <goldfish> dazed: kk
[05:10] <Tarkus> does anyone know why i cant scroll up in a terminal window??
[05:10] <AMCDeathKnight> I love the cock
[05:10] <goldfish> Tarkus: Shift + pageup
[05:10] <BobaFett> Anyone knows if there are any known bugs or something like that with ubuntu and intel motherboards? I just can't figure out what's wrong...
[05:10] <goldfish> Tarkus: Shift + a+ pageup
[05:11] <dazed> cd .fluxbox/styles/ doesnt work
[05:11] <AMCDeathKnight> is not working
[05:11] <AMCDeathKnight> put in Su
[05:11] <speel> sudp
[05:11] <AMCDeathKnight> and the password wont accept
[05:11] <speel> sudo
[05:11] <Tarkus> goldfish: its not working..
[05:11] <goldfish> hrmm...
[05:11] <SiRrUs> wow 27 more updates tonight
[05:11] <AMCDeathKnight> yeh but i put in sudo and some -command things appear
[05:11] <goldfish> Tarkus: you might have to increase the buffer size in prefences
[05:11] <goldfish> Tarkus: dunno  really, sorry :/
[05:12] <lavigj> does anyone know of an image viewer that will open images in a compressed archive?
[05:12] <geppy> goldfish:  What kind of laptop do you have?
[05:12] <Tarkus> goldfish: kk, ill figure it out, thanks
[05:13] <goldfish> geppy: dell inspiron 8600
[05:13] <javier> DonL: jaja, sad but true..
[05:13] <geppy> goldfish:  Any Linux problems?
[05:13] <goldfish> nope
[05:13] <goldfish> wel
[05:13] <goldfish> I had sound and resolution problems
[05:13] <goldfish> and wireless
[05:13] <goldfish> but got it all working
[05:13] <DonL> javier, I don't get religious about it any more. If they want to they will
[05:14] <geppy> goldfish:  Did you use ndiswrapper for the wireless?
[05:14] <goldfish> dazed: http://alien2thisworld.net/sitePages/tutorials/fluxbox.html
[05:14] <goldfish> geppy: yep
[05:14] <XposerX> ieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[0-01:1023]   GUID[000a270002784ebc] 
[05:14] <AMCDeathKnight> when i type in sudo
[05:14] <XposerX> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-02:1023
[05:14] <XposerX> ieee1394: Reconnected to SBP-2 device
[05:14] <XposerX> ieee1394: Node 0-00:1023: Max speed [S400]  - Max payload [2048] 
[05:14] <XposerX>  I know this is my ipod but how do i set it up?
[05:14] <AMCDeathKnight> it dosnt switch me to roor
[05:14] <BobaFett> guys...anyone installed ubuntu using an Intel motherboard?
[05:14] <steve__> I got sick of my wireless woes and bought a Cisco card on Ebay for $36
[05:14] <goldfish> AMCDeathKnight: sudo does not, su
[05:14] <steve__> worked like a charm right out of box
[05:15] <lunitik> goldfish: don't recommend people use su in #ubuntu please
[05:15] <AMCDeathKnight> su asks for password and i dont know the default root password
[05:15] <goldfish> ok
[05:15] <DonL> BobaFett, I had it running on an old Intel a long time ago without problems
[05:15] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: sudo -s
[05:15] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[05:15] <goldfish> AMCDeathKnight: it is the login password for the first account added
[05:15] <BobaFett> really? im using an old i810 and ubuntu just freezes after installation is complete...
[05:15] <goldfish> lunitik: sorry
[05:15] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: if you need to have a shell... else just 'sudo somecommand thanks'
[05:16] <BobaFett> any idea what could be wrong? ive tried everything...updating from inet, not updating, changing from cd install to cdrw...nuttin!
[05:16] <steve__> anyone want to help me format a USB thum drive for fat32?
[05:16] <AMCDeathKnight> i done sudo-s but it staill asks for password
[05:16] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[05:16] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: yup... your password
[05:16] <AMCDeathKnight> lettme try t
[05:16] <DonL> Yes, BobaFett , that's what I had. I wasn't running Ubuntu, but I had no problems with any other Linux's
[05:16] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: gives you a root shell though...
[05:17] <AMCDeathKnight> it says gdm alredy running how can i switch to it
[05:17] <AMCDeathKnight> im in root now
[05:17] <BobaFett> This is my first Linux, so I'm a bit n00b, but i mean, winxp runs smoothly, both at the installation and on the os itself...why should ubuntu freeze?
[05:17] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: ctrl alt f7
[05:17] <AMCDeathKnight> ok thanks
[05:17] <dazed> Hey...im setting up gkrellm and i want Evoloution to be my mail reading program what do i have to put in the text box to send it to open Evoloution?
[05:18] <BobaFett> it's begginning to get on my nerves, actually.
[05:18] <DonL> I don't blame you, BobaFett
[05:18] <AMCDeathKnight> the monitor cuts off
[05:18] <DonL> Do you have lots of ram, BobaFett ?
[05:18] <AMCDeathKnight> when i do alt-ctrl-f7
[05:18] <AMCDeathKnight> it had ubuntu before
[05:18] <BobaFett> Not lots...i'm in a really old PC...256 SDRAM PC100 in 2 slots
[05:19] <goldfish> dazed: It is already in Apps > Net
[05:19] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: ctrl alt f1 ... /etc/init.d/restart
[05:19] <AMCDeathKnight> ?
[05:19] <AMCDeathKnight> i dont understand that lunatik
[05:19] <DonL> BobaFett, should be plenty. Don't know from here, I'm afraid
[05:19] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: I'm tired... /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:19] <dazed> i know goldfish...but i want it so when i click the mail icon on Gkrellm it opens up my Evoloution
[05:19] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[05:19] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: type that
[05:19] <goldfish> dazed: oh sorry :/
[05:19] <goldfish> dazed: I have just started fluxbox, aint got icons yet :)
[05:20] <dazed> lol ...icons?
[05:20] <DonL> BobaFett, did you tell your BIOS you didn't have a PNP OS?
[05:20] <BobaFett> umm...no, actually...
[05:20] <BobaFett> geeze...
[05:20] <DonL> Try that. Could help
[05:20] <BobaFett> You think?
[05:20] <goldfish> dazed: nm :)
[05:21] <dazed> lol i know newb
[05:21] <AMCDeathKnight> no such file ot directory
[05:21] <BobaFett> I got an error during the installation, something to do with PCI packages (didnt read it, scroll was too fast)...
[05:21] <goldfish> dazed: What?
[05:21] <BobaFett> you think that's something PNP-3related?
[05:22] <AMCDeathKnight> i typed that even tried cd before it
[05:22] <dazed> im a newb
[05:22] <MrBIOS> what's the package name for the XOrg headers?
[05:22] <dazed> lol
[05:22] <goldfish> AMCDeathKnight: X wouldn't run for me, I ran this command from a root terminal and it got set up fine, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[05:22] <goldfish> dazed: oh, me too really
[05:22] <goldfish> AMCDeathKnight: if you are using xfree86 of course
[05:22] <DonL> Who knows. Maybe that's just an old thing. A few years ago you had to change the BIOS to tell it you didn't have  plug n play
[05:22] <AMCDeathKnight> so i juist typ ethat in and it should work?
[05:22] <goldfish> AMCDeathKnight: it is a setup
[05:22] <goldfish> AMCDeathKnight: you gotta go through it
[05:22] <BobaFett> sheesh...I'll go check out my BIOS' PNP parameters, i guess it's worth the try. Also, guys...what's the optimal partition setup for ubuntu? i got a bit confused in the middle of the whole boot-root partition mambo-jambo... *blush*
[05:23] <geppy> goldfish:  what kind of battery life does your laptop get?
[05:23] <DonL> Are you dual-booting, BobaFett ?
[05:23] <BobaFett> nopes.
[05:23] <daniels> hi guys.  testing the new keyboard detection for array 6.  can people with interesting setups (non-US keyboard layout or langauge, including non-English) please grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/detect-keyboard.sh, run chmod +x detect-keyboard.sh, then run sudo $(pwd)/detect-keyboard.sh and let me know the results in /msg?  thanks.
[05:23] <goldfish> geppy: oh shit
[05:23] <goldfish> geppy: My laptop is cnstantly plugged in
[05:23] <BobaFett> im trying to leave that disgusting habit that is Windows...
[05:23] <geppy> hahaha
[05:23] <goldfish> fucked the battery up
[05:24] <tuxJr_14> hi
[05:24] <BobaFett> si just Ubuntu runnin is my goal LOL
[05:24] <geppy> goldfish: that sucks
[05:24] <goldfish> geppy: yeah :)
[05:24] <DonL> BobaFett, I just let it do as it will. That way I don't have to go through the partitioning. Lazy I suppose, but it seems to work for me
[05:24] <dazed> lol and i still cant find my styles folder :(
[05:24] <dazed> i went ot that site
[05:24] <goldfish> geppy: I was thinking of ordering a new one, and a 2nd one that replaces the cd-drive
[05:24] <goldfish> dazed: make it :)
[05:24] <dazed> but i cant get into the directory they specified
[05:24] <dazed> oh...how do i make one!?
[05:24] <goldfish> dazed: cd ~/.fluxbox; mkdir styles
[05:24] <geppy> goldfish:  ah, cool;  how much did it cost?
[05:24] <goldfish> geppy: I am thinking of it :)
[05:25] <BobaFett> So I should just clean my HD of everything, and just use ubuntu's partitioning defaults?
[05:25] <geppy> =)
[05:25] <goldfish> geppy: when i get a job in the summer :)
[05:25] <geppy> goldfish:  hahaha =)
[05:25] <BobaFett> AND remove the PNP option from my BIOS...
[05:25] <BobaFett> got it...
[05:25] <DonL> Well, that's what I do, BobaFett
[05:25] <BobaFett> Thanks a bunch for the tips, DonL
[05:25] <DonL> Hopefully it will work for you!
[05:25] <DonL> Np
[05:25] <dazed> goldfish: me = confooooooooosed .... mkdir: cannot create directory `styles': File exists
[05:25] <dazed> ??????
[05:25] <BobaFett> Thanks, dude! I'll go try once more...
[05:26] <geppy> goldfish:  I'm thinking of either getting a Dell Inspiron 8600, or a Sony Vaio FS500;  I'm leaning towards the Vaio, I just can't find any Linux reviews... as far as financing, I'm going to be an idiot and do it by the month. =)
[05:26] <steve__> help with formating USB DOK
[05:26] <steve__> anyone?
[05:26] <BobaFett> &me waves!
[05:26] <goldfish> geppy: 8600 is great
[05:26] <lavigj> does anyone here use ffmpeg?
[05:26] <geppy> goldfish:  Vaio is better, as long as it works with Linux =P
[05:26] <goldfish> well :)
[05:27] <DonL> I'm off for now. Night folks
[05:27] <goldfish> they are thick
[05:27] <geppy> goldfish: heh
[05:27] <geppy> goldfish:  I'm a backpacker. =)
[05:27] <goldfish> heh
[05:27] <geppy> goldfish:   =P
[05:27] <lavigj> geppy: I realize that you didn't list them, but IBM thinkpads are excellent
[05:27] <geppy> lavigj:  Do they have the GeForce Go graphics chipsets?
[05:28] <steve__> working on an old PIII thinkpad right now... which
[05:28] <lavigj> geppy: ah, that's the trick. mostly ati or intel. Same with toshibas.
[05:28] <steve__> reminds me why I'm here... any help with USB DOK formating
[05:28] <geppy> lavigj:  Yeah, that's the reason why I'm leaning towards Vaio;  Sony is apparently nVidia's marketing whore, at least, judging by their latest Go launch
[05:29] <AMCDeathKnight> it went through the setup but still same error
[05:29] <lavigj> geppy: sweet. I will have to check them out. I am just an nVidia whore ;)
[05:29] <geppy> lavigj:  hahaha
[05:29] <steve__> get a used IBM thinkpad
[05:29] <geppy> lavigj:  So am I. =D
[05:29] <lavigj> geppy: fwiw if you can live without nvidia, toshiba and thinkpads are good. other wise, vaio is probably better than dell
[05:29] <geppy> steve__:  'twould be no good for my mad gaming skills
[05:29] <zenrox> nvidia all the way baby
[05:29] <geppy> lavigj:  Yeah, I was figuring that the Vaio would be better, as long as it runs Linux nicely
[05:30] <steve__> I got a wicked Dell too! I googled an online coupon at the time of purchase and saved $4951!1
[05:30] <strixy> hello everyone
[05:30] <lavigj> geppy: on the other hand, I can't say too much against dell. we probably have nearly 200 Dell boxes where I work, and outside of floppy drives, and harddrive issues they've been great. our tech guy likes to fix things with a new harddrive though... (granted, it generally works)
[05:30] <strixy> trying to help a friend install Java on Ubuntu - thought it was?
[05:30] <NetGeek> does ubuntu have a rc.local?
[05:30] <geppy> lavigj:  heh =)
[05:30] <steve__> lavigj, can you help me format a USB thumb drive?
[05:31] <strixy> Does Ubuntu come with Java installed?
[05:31] <lavigj> geppy: the only problem I can think of not hdd or fdd related is one had a bad video card. Dell sent us a new mobo and it seems to be doing fine now
[05:31] <lavigj> steve__: I just started using one today
[05:31] <steve__> really... boot from USB?
[05:31] <steve__> or for storage?
[05:31] <NetGeek> I have two hdparm command I need to run at boot
[05:32] <lavigj> steve__: I plugged it in once, it didn't do anything but give me an error. plugged it in again, and it picked it up fine and gave it a vfat fs
[05:32] <lavigj> steve__: storage only, sorry man
[05:32] <steve__> oh, I'm trying to format one to get it to boot a distro
[05:32] <zenrox> lavigj, my bios supports boot from my usb reader
[05:32] <optish> how can remove a package that never got installed properly i tried apt-get remove packagename and it complains about some missing files which is true because they arent there
[05:32] <steve__> but I have no 3l337 skills
[05:33] <lavigj> zenrox: yeah. I just haven't tried it, I think mine will too.
[05:33] <goldfish> strixy: no
[05:33] <steve__> downloading the slax .iso right now
[05:34] <zenrox> lavigj,  i havent either i want to put a /boot on to a 128mb sd disk and see what happeds one of these days
[05:34] <AMCDeathKnight> How do i get out of the manels
[05:34] <AMCDeathKnight> *Manuels
[05:34] <lavigj> steve__: I wouldn't consider myself 1337 with linux :)
[05:34] <zenrox> AMCDeathKnight,  q
[05:34] <AMCDeathKnight> ctrl-c wont work
[05:34] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[05:34] <goldfish> strixy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:34] <lavigj> zenrox: I would be curious to know
[05:34] <javier> wow, i just cant install the nvidia driver. I already added the universe repository to apt, did apt-get install nvidia-glx and it says: "Package nvidia-glx is not avaliable, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[05:34] <zenrox> lavigj, i have bin reading up with google at my side
[05:35] <lavigj> zenrox: I for one welcome my new google overlords ;)
[05:35] <optish> isn't there some kind command or command line option for apt-get to ignore warnings and just force the "remove" of a package?
[05:35] <zenrox> lol
[05:35] <lavigj> geez, I need to quite playing with this thing :)
[05:35] <zenrox> lavigj,  me too
[05:35] <strixy> How do I change the location variable in Ubuntu?
[05:35] <zenrox> i keep breaking stuff
[05:36] <zenrox> then i have to fix it agine
[05:36] <javier> any ideas? ;o
[05:36] <lavigj> I don't suppose anyone here uses ffmpeg? I am having a terrible time with variable bitrate and 2 pass encoding
[05:36] <geppy> lavigj:  I do.
[05:36] <javier> lunitik, donl, casimir :P
[05:36] <lavigj> geppy: mind if I PM you?
[05:37] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[05:37] <AMCDeathKnight> why wont it open gdm
[05:37] <geppy> lavigj:  Not at all.
[05:37] <AMCDeathKnight> teh monitor shuts off
[05:37] <AMCDeathKnight> and i ran xfree setup
[05:37] <AMCDeathKnight> and still no go
[05:38] <AMCDeathKnight> please help
[05:38] <lunitik> javier: nvidia-glx I thought was in restricted... should be activated by default ... I already directed you at the wiki correct?
[05:39] <AMCDeathKnight> I checked the gdm manuel, nothing interesting
[05:39] <AMCDeathKnight> so how would you change teh resolution of gdm in the termainl
[05:39] <javier> yes, im reading it..
[05:40] <javier> i just uncommented the wrong lines in sources.list :$
[05:40] <javier> <3
[05:40] <AMCDeathKnight> please  help
[05:40] <AMCDeathKnight> I really need this working
[05:41] <AMCDeathKnight> so how would you change teh resolution of gdm in the termainl
[05:42] <AMCDeathKnight> what file would you edit and how would you doit?
[05:42] <lunitik> AMCDeathKnight: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... but its not that... it tries a few...
[05:45] <optish> what's the command to remove a package?
[05:45] <andrewski> optish: man apt-get
[05:45] <optish> a broken package to be exact
[05:46] <lunitik> optish: either 'dpkg -P pkg' or 'apt-get remove' or 'apt-get remove --purge'
[05:46] <optish> i tried apt-get remove --purge packagename but it complains
[05:46] <dazed> goldfish...that site u sent me to get my styles folder working u still have that handy?
[05:46] <andrewski> optish: about what?
[05:46] <optish> missing files
[05:46] <optish> but thats because package never installed properly in the first place
[05:47] <goldfish> dazed: http://alien2thisworld.net/sitePages/tutorials/fluxbox.html
[05:47] <goldfish> dazed: Bookmarking is your friend :)
[05:47] <andrewski> optish: apt-get clean?
[05:47] <andrewski> optish: n/m...
[05:47] <langela> evarlast : hi, can you help me with my problem about the sound???
[05:47] <optish> hrm...havent tried that but i doubt thats related?
[05:47] <langela> hi
[05:48] <goldfish> hi
[05:48] <optish> this is what i get for trying to use a non-official package...stupid java :-/
[05:48] <goldfish> lol
[05:48] <optish> i should have just done a manual install from sun's site
[05:48] <andrewski> is it java that's stupid?
[05:48] <langela> i had a big problem, after i install kde the sound doesn't work
[05:48] <langela> what can it be??
[05:49] <Xirdneh> anyone can tell me what kind of lexmark is a Dell photoprinter 720?, i have read is Z35 and some other but not shure, or where can I check this?
[05:49] <langela> o don't know what to do!
[05:49] <dazed> anyone know a good site with some kick ass backgrounds
[05:49] <optish> andrewski,  well not really..if it worked/installed easily
[05:49] <langela> i don't know what to do!
[05:49] <andrewski> optish: sorry, i didn't mean that to sound personal.
[05:49] <mhz> buenas noches!
[05:49] <mhz> hi over there
[05:49] <langela> i tried with kcontrol disabled the sound system but still doesn't work
[05:50] <dazed> also...i have konqueror...but its not on my menu and i dont know where its location is to add it to my menu...does anyone know how to do this?
[05:50] <optish> andrewski, no worries i didnt think it was personal..i like java apps just getting the sdk installed on hoary hasnt been well a snap
[05:50] <andrewski> optish: blackdown or sun?
[05:51] <optish> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15383
[05:51] <langela> evarlast : hi, please help me!!
[05:51] <optish> i'm running into same probs as that post but i dont want to use those packages i want to install it manually but first i want to remove the broken packages so i can upgrade again with synaptic
[05:52] <andrewski> optish: FWIW, it's far easier to install blackdown on ubuntu.
[05:53] <optish> yea i may just do that but i want to get rid of this problem first
[05:53] <andrewski> optish: understood.  i'm still trying, but wanted to mention that.
[05:53] <optish> thanks :)
[05:53] <lunitik> optish: dpkg -l pkg_you_tried_to_remove
[05:54] <langela> hi, please help me with this problem, after i install kde the sound it's break, doesn't work, somebody told me that disabled system sound in kcontro, i did it but still no work, what can i do?
[05:54] <andrewski> optish: did you try installing it again, to see if it would complete?
[05:54] <javier> thx for the help, it worked ;)
[05:54] <javier> <3
[05:55] <andrewski> langela: have you asked in #kde?
[05:55] <langela> uuumm nop
[05:55] <andrewski> langela: since there doesn't seem to be anyone here to answer your question, that's probably your best bet.
[05:56] <optish> when i do dpkg -l......the packges have "pi" in front...i'm not sure what that means but i read that it should show "ii" instead if its installed properly right?
[05:56] <langela> andrewski : ok, thanks
[05:56] <optish> andrewski, yea i tried installing it again and same errors
[05:56] <dazed> i have konqueror...but its not on my menu and i dont know where its location is to add it to my menu...does anyone know how to do this?
[05:56] <AndyFitz> okay what the hell is changing .ICEauthority and .Xauthority's permissions on me
[05:56] <andrewski> optish: what were the errors for installing it?
[05:56] <dullin> When I had KDE (other distro) the sound would be edgy when alot ws going on while one gnome it would be fine
[05:57] <andrewski> dazed: look in /usr/share/applications and copy one of the .desktop files and edit it for the konqueror information.
[05:57] <andrewski> dazed: the manual answer, anyway. :)
[05:57] <optish> hrm...i just did "apt-get install package" i wonder if there is a reinstall option...let me check man apt-get
[05:57] <dazed> lol ty
[05:57] <andrewski> optish: what was the error?
[05:57] <dullin> with synaptic you can do a reinstall
[05:58] <andrewski> optish: apt-get --reinstall too...
[05:59] <dazed> andrewski: there is no Konqueror in my /usr/share/applications folder...i used apt-get to get it and stuff...i know its still there cuz im exploring with it
[05:59] <andrewski> dazed: exactly, that's why you have to copy the syntax of *another* file...
[05:59] <dazed> u lost me
[05:59] <dazed> <---- extra newb
[06:00] <goldfish> uber newb :)
[06:00] <andrewski> you're just dazed.
[06:00] <dazed> lil bit lol
[06:00] <goldfish> haha
[06:00] <optish> andrewski, sorry dont recall what the errors were when i tried to install it first time...but i dont want to try reinstalling these packages...
[06:00] <andrewski> dazed: ok, name a .desktop file therein...
[06:00] <AndyFitz> anybody else experiencing that  atomic  gam_server   error   .
[06:00] <dazed> any file in applications
[06:01] <andrewski> optish: well, i'm thinking if you get a full install, you can simply turn around and remove them.  [shrugs] 
[06:01] <andrewski> dazed: name one.
[06:01] <AndyFitz> also my .ICEauthority and .Xauthority's perms are always changing .. wtf
[06:01] <dazed> gaim
[06:01] <optish> andrewski,  yeh seems like i may have to
[06:01] <lunitik> optish: don't know if you found it... but apt-get install --reinstall (was just scrolling up, and saw that)
[06:01] <andrewski> dazed: ok, copy it and rename the copy to konqueror.desktop
[06:02] <andrewski> dazed: you with me?
[06:02] <dazed> with u but i got an error
[06:02] <optish> lunitik, yea found it thanks...but didnt help
[06:02] <moyogo> how can I ask for a package to be added to multiverse?
[06:02] <andrewski> dazed: ?
[06:02] <andrewski> moyogo: bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[06:02] <dazed> when i tried to paste it said rename so i renamed and it said could not write to the specified location
[06:02] <lunitik> optish: still dealing with the packages that won't remove themselves? you sure they aren't gone? cuz apparently dpkg still proceeds to remove...
[06:02] <goldfish> u might need root access
[06:02] <andrewski> dazed: you need to be root or to use sudo to copy that.
[06:03] <dazed> oh so i cant do it in konqueror browser lol
[06:03] <moyogo> andrewski: thanks
[06:03] <andrewski> dazed: you could, if you ran konqueror as sudo...
[06:03] <andrewski> moyogo: np
[06:03] <optish> lunitik, yea i did...synaptic says they are broken
[06:03] <optish> dpkg -l shows them with "pi" in front...what does that mean?
[06:04] <andrewski> does anyone know if it's possible to force install a package, i.e. without installing the dependencies?
[06:04] <lunitik> optish: partly installed
[06:04] <Xirdneh> hi there, i try to run this.. /z600cups-1.0-1.gz.sh but then a msg appears aparentrly is an rpm and in debian i have to use alien, but dont know how with this .sh any suggestinos?
[06:04] <dazed> andrewski: how do u run konqueror as sudo....sudo konqueror?
[06:05] <andrewski> dazed: you got it.
[06:05] <goldfish> em
[06:05] <goldfish> do u want to be running it as sudo?
[06:05] <goldfish> Is that not dangerous?
[06:05] <optish> andrewski, i was just going the man for apt-get it said something about "-f" option
[06:05] <andrewski> goldfish: isn't it dangerous doing anything with root privileges?
[06:05] <optish> lunitik, thanks
[06:06] <goldfish> andrewski: depends on what you are doing
[06:06] <dazed> andrewski... ok renaimed it....its still got the gaim icon though
[06:06] <andrewski> optish: ah, thanks. :)
[06:06] <andrewski> dazed: yes, and it will still run gaim until you edit it. :)
[06:06] <optish> andrewski, glad i can help :)
[06:06] <dazed> lol ok ...how i edit it?
[06:06] <andrewski> dazed: now run `sudo kedit /usr/share/applications/konqueror.desktop`
[06:08] <optish> has anyone here used captive-ntfs.....worth the hassle?
[06:08] <dazed> kedit command not found andrewski
[06:08] <andrewski> dazed: heh, i assumed you had a full kde install.
[06:08] <Frodo> What is going on with Ubuntu servers?  I am stalled almost with every action I do with synaptic...
[06:08] <andrewski> dazed: try gedit.
[06:08] <lunitik> optish: can you afford data loss on windows partition?
[06:09] <dazed> im in
[06:09] <Frodo> is it because I run Warty?
[06:09] <dazed> now what
[06:09] <optish> lunitik, some but not all...heh...yea i should have expected that kind of answer :)
[06:09] <andrewski> dazed: ok, look for the icon line; change it to read (exactly) 'konqueror'.
[06:10] <andrewski> if that doesn't work, try 'konq'; i don't know...
[06:10] <lunitik> optish: heh... I'd say no if you plan on using Windows in the near future  ;)
[06:10] <javier> how do i upgrade to unstable ? when the installation ask'd it to me i said no, but now im going to sleep and i want to upgrade all the packages ;)
[06:10] <dazed> andrewski...no .png? cuz gaim had .png and the EXEC line had nothing but the word 'gaim'
[06:10] <BobaFett> guys...anyone knows what a 'pciehp.ko fatal error' means?
[06:10] <optish> lunitik, so i take it you havent had good experience with it?
[06:11] <lunitik> optish: I haven't used it... but its not in the kernel yet for a reason  ;)
[06:11] <andrewski> dazed: no .png; that's a problem with many .desktop files.  i'll give you the explanation if you want, but it's tangential.
[06:11] <dazed> im good lol
[06:11] <andrewski> dazed: ;P
[06:11] <Yomic> Where are the java plugins for firefox?
[06:11] <dazed> so leave the Exec as GAIM , andrewski
[06:11] <orospakr> hoary's gnome terminal terminal bell beeps with both the PC speaker and a nice sound effect. how do I stop it from beeping the PC speaker?
[06:11] <lunitik> BobaFett: ignore it... its not important
[06:11] <optish> hrm...i wonder if there is an ext3 driver for xp
[06:11] <crimsun> Yomic: for what arch?
[06:12] <sankito> i'm trying to mount my dvd drive on my laptop and when i type    "sudo mount /media/cdrom/ -o unhide" as it says to in the howto, i get error "mount: special device /dev/scdo does not exist" anyone know what my problem is?
[06:12] <dazed> andrewski ... the icon is now changed to what it should be
[06:12] <Yomic> arch?
[06:12] <BobaFett> My Ubuntu freezes after installation, lunitik...are you sure it's nothing??
[06:12] <andrewski> dazed: ok, now change the exec line to 'konqueror' or 'konq', whichever it is...
[06:12] <andrewski> dazed: patience, young grasshopper. :)
[06:12] <crimsun> Yomic: architecture
[06:12] <BobaFett> it's the only error I get, but Ubutu won't load
[06:12] <andrewski> dazed: ok, and make sure you change the name and comment fields to something sane, also.
[06:12] <Yomic> Eh... No clue what that means *_*
[06:12] <dazed> ok
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Dang it - having the hardest time getting X configured ruight on this box.. Useing AMD64. Warty. it makes the config. but for some reason "no screens found" type error.
[06:12] <lunitik> BobaFett: yup... if you want... add 'pciehp' and 'shpchp' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and reboot, the errors will be gone
[06:13] <optish> sankito, make sure your dvddrive is at /dev/scdo
[06:13] <sankito> how do i see where it is?
[06:13] <optish> sankito, it may be a typo instead of /dev/scdo its prolly suppose to be /dev/scd0
[06:13] <dazed> is that all andrewski?
[06:13] <BobaFett> I can't load anything, lunitik...all I get after installing and rebooting, is a black screen... =(
[06:14] <lunitik> BobaFett: have a livecd handy? ....
[06:14] <andrewski> dazed: yes, should be.  double check that each line of that file has something that relates to konqueror and not gaim.
[06:14] <Yomic> BobaFett: Your graphics card must not be supported.
[06:14] <dazed> it does
[06:14] <crimsun> Yomic: cpu?
[06:14] <andrewski> dazed: exec, icon, name, and comment are the important ones. :)
[06:14] <andrewski> dazed: oh, and category?
[06:14] <Yomic> What does my cpu have to do with java?
[06:14] <BobaFett> I'm running a LIveCD right now, lunitim
[06:14] <sankito> the error message says /dev/scd0 but how do i see if that's where my dvd drive is?
[06:14] <dazed> now is that file /usr/share/applications/konqueror.desktop is where its located at now right?
[06:14] <optish> sankito, not sure exactly but edit /etc/fstab and see what your dvd drive mount is pointing to
[06:14] <dazed> yes they all good
[06:15] <crimsun> Yomic: because there's no accessible java plugin for mozilla-firefox on amd64
[06:15] <BobaFett> Graphics card not supported?? geze..makes sense..I[m using a PCI TNT2
[06:15] <andrewski> dazed: yes, that's where it's located.  does it show up in your menu alright?
[06:15] <dazed> well im on fluxbox
[06:15] <dazed> so ill haev to add it to my menu
[06:15] <BobaFett> but if the card's not supported, I shouldn't be able to run the LiveCD right?
[06:15] <andrewski> dazed: do you use gnome-panel, kicker, etc.?
[06:15] <Yomic> I don't know :/
[06:15] <dazed> yes
[06:15] <dazed> i believe
[06:16] <andrewski> dazed: a menu/taskbar panel?
[06:16] <dazed> lost me
[06:16] <dazed> i use ubuntu which came with gnome
[06:16] <Tarkus> if im programming with php, c++ and perl. is linux better than windows for that??
[06:16] <dazed> i changed to fluxbox
[06:16] <dazed> and its fluxbox desktop
[06:16] <dazed> with its own menu
[06:16] <crimsun> Tarkus: "better" is extremely subjective
[06:16] <lunitik> Tarkus: no
[06:16] <andrewski> dazed: do you have a 'start menu'?
[06:16] <dazed> generated by the origina gnome menu
[06:16] <dazed> ye
[06:16] <andrewski> pardon the expression. :)
[06:16] <moquist> would anyone here quickly test a URL for me?
[06:16] <lunitik> Tarkus: languages don't depend on OS
[06:17] <jdub> Tarkus: depends what you're trying to do. lots of people think so. there's certainly a heck of a lot of open source code you can use and learn from.
[06:17] <goldfish> Tarkus: yes
[06:17] <dazed> lol understood
[06:17] <optish> andrewski,  okay so i tried reinstalling those java packages and they still dont install seems like its complaining about an existing firefox java plugin file
[06:17] <optish> i guess i'll just rename it and try reinstalling it again
[06:17] <andrewski> optish: did you see the last post in that thread you sent to me?
[06:17] <andrewski> dazed: ok, the menu should update and konq should be in it, if all went well.
[06:17] <Tarkus> what so good about linux though??
[06:17] <BobaFett> anyone runs ubuntu with a tnt2pci??
[06:17] <optish> andrewski,  yea but see he was reinstalling it and i just wanted to remove it ;)
[06:17] <Yomic> What is the command for updating/installing java plugins for firefox?
[06:18] <javier> how can i upgrade to unstable? apt-get upgrade says that there are no packages to upgrade.. but obviously there are. I've firefox 0.9.3 and stuff
[06:18] <andrewski> optish: still... i would remove your plugins first, at least the ones ubuntu installs (java/flash/etc)
[06:18] <dazed> well nope then
[06:18] <dazed> but i really gotta go so ill try to figure it out later
[06:18] <dazed> thanks
[06:18] <goldfish> Yomic: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[06:18] <andrewski> dazed: try logging out and logging in.  later!
[06:19] <Yomic> Thanks
[06:19] <andrewski> javier: you would need to change all instances of 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:19] <javier> maybe its just me but i find portage more friendly ;D
[06:19] <Dr_willis> hmm. I got a hoary and warty install cd's but cant rember which is which. :P
[06:19] <javier> andrewski, k, thx :)
[06:19] <goldfish> Tarkus: I dont like windows and all it's gui crap
[06:19] <andrewski> javier: yes, apt takes getting used to.
[06:19] <stuNNed> Dr_willis: lol
[06:19] <optish> andrewski, right..i didnt even know it installed those plugins...are they just dummy/fake placeholders or real deal?
[06:19] <javier> yah, maybe is just that ;)
[06:19] <BobaFett> anyone runs ubuntu with a tnt2pci??
[06:19] <Dr_willis> stuNNed,   :P looking at the dirs now.. cant seem to tell which this one is.
[06:19] <BobaFett> or nows if its possible?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> stuNNed,  amd64 and warty seem to be giveing me X issues. :(
[06:20] <andrewski> optish: dunno, i don't have them at all, don't use firefox, etc...
[06:20] <stuNNed> Dr_willis: look at the version of firefox, if it's 1.0 then it's hoary :P
[06:20] <Dr_willis> stuNNed,  this is the installer cd.. so lets see...
[06:20] <Dr_willis> notjhing installed yet. :P
[06:20] <sankito> optish, it seems the mount point for my dvd drive is /media/cdrom0
[06:21] <Tarkus> goldfish: whats so bad about GUI though?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> aha - a readme says warty. :P
[06:21] <OrangeSlice> CLI > GUI
[06:21] <OrangeSlice> bwahaha
[06:21] <goldfish> Tarkus: meh, I just prefer terminals :)
[06:21] <Dr_willis> ok. the latest and greatest is Hoary rught? for some reason my Hoary ISO isent booting. :(
[06:21] <optish> sankito, oh okay and what's the actual location like /dev/scd0?
[06:21] <Tarkus> goldfish: i dont really understand how a terminal works though
[06:22] <andrewski> Dr_willis: latest and greatest, maybe.  unstable, yes.
[06:22] <sankito>  yes it's /dev/scd0
[06:22] <goldfish> Tarkus: I am only new to it myself, what don't you understand?
[06:22] <Dr_willis> well considering the fighting I am having to do with Warty.. it cant me much worse. :P
[06:22] <sankito> under options should i change noauto to auto?
[06:22] <Tarkus> goldfish: lol, i dont understand anything, i just got ubuntu last night
[06:23] <waseem> hi since im on linux does that mean there is absolutely no way i can get a virus/trojan/worm?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> waseem,  with common sence.. :P and considering how those things are rare...
[06:23] <goldfish> Tarkus: oh right, I'm using it about 4 weeks or so
[06:23] <Tarkus> goldfish: never used linux b4, so im really new to everything
[06:23] <Dr_willis> you are about as s3ecure as you can get.
[06:23] <crimsun> waseem: absolutely? no. probably? yes.
[06:23] <goldfish> Tarkus: havent been using it much , I dual boot for games :)
[06:23] <andrewski> waseem: no, you just need to examine the source code for every program you compile.  or, trust a distribution not to infiltrate you.
[06:23] <optish> sankito, hrm...not really sure but here's my fstab entry for the dvddrive "/dev/cdrom1       /media/dvdrom        auto      noauto,ro,user,exec         0   0"
[06:23] <goldfish> Tarkus: Ah right
[06:24] <goldfish> Tarkus: www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start off
[06:24] <Tarkus> goldfish: k, thnx
[06:24] <waseem> agh i bought something off ebay and the seller sent me an email with no text in the body and the attachment says noname
[06:24] <goldfish> Tarkus: and the other links in the topic
[06:24] <waseem> so would it be stupid to open the attachment?
[06:24] <sankito> is anyone able to play poker online with linux?
[06:24] <goldfish> never tried
[06:24] <goldfish> actually
[06:25] <andrewski> sankito: if you're online, you'll just need the right plugin, presumably flash?
[06:25] <Parisi> ah
[06:26] <sankito> do you know of a site that has flash poker software? the only web based one i could find used java, and i was having trouble trying to get the java plug-in to work
[06:27] <andrewski> sankito: google for flash games?
[06:28] <optish> that was a pain...i should have just try to reinstall the java package to make it easy..and then remove it afterwards...but you'd think that you can force a broken packge removal easily
[06:29] <Yomic> I'm new to the linux Filesystem; where is my linux equivalent to "Program Files" in the heirarchy?
[06:29] <goldfish> em
[06:30] <optish> omg...this thing is getting on my nerves...now that i had it installed properly....i'm trying to remove it and its failing again...good god..this thing sucks
[06:30] <optish> erm...these java packages that is...
[06:30] <andrewski> Yomic: well, the executables are stored in /usr/bin...
[06:30] <Yomic> Okay, thanks.
[06:30] <andrewski> Yomic: while the data files are separated, usually in /usr/share/<app name>
[06:34] <froust> I just updated my hoary install, and lost my sound/games... any idea why?
[06:35] <Bobafett> Ok, people, just so you know...Ubunto doesn't run on a TNT2 PCI card...
[06:35] <Bobafett> _)
[06:35] <crimsun> sure it does
[06:35] <Bobafett> mine didn't !
[06:35] <crimsun> I presume you're testing Hoary?
[06:35] <Bobafett> I had to take out my tnt2 and run with onboard video...
[06:35] <crimsun> Hoary has the latest version of the Nvidia driver, 1.0-6629, which will not work with TNT* chipsets.
[06:36] <crimsun> (it's a known issue with 1.0-6629. Revert to 1.0-6111.)
[06:36] <Yomic> Wha can't I get Firefox to run this .jnlp file?
[06:36] <Yomic> Why*
[06:36] <Bobafett> Hoary? (sorry if I get annoying...but this is my first attempt at a non-windows OS...)
[06:36] <froust> Has anyone had problems with the update today breaking things?
[06:36] <froust> Bobafett: the unstable version of ubuntu
[06:37] <Yomic> Unstable :o?
[06:37] <crimsun> froust: what sort of breakage?
[06:37] <froust> my sound no longer works
[06:37] <froust> and it removed my gnome-games
[06:37] <crimsun> froust: "sound no longer works"?
[06:37] <froust> yeah
[06:37] <froust> no sound device detected
[06:37] <Bobafett> ahhhhh really? I think I'm running warty-something
[06:37] <rriche> anyone know a repository that would have gtk2-engines-dev or where i would begin looking?
[06:37] <froust> or something to that effect.
[06:37] <froust> i was using esd
[06:37] <crimsun> froust: are you in gnome currently?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: type   ` cat /etc/issue ` in a terminal to find out
[06:38] <froust> yes.
[06:38] <crimsun> froust: System>Preferences>Sound, uncheck Enable sound server at startup
[06:38] <thoreauputic> without the back quotes of course
[06:38] <Bobafett> Thanks, thoreauputic! let's see...
[06:38] <froust> okay.
[06:39] <froust> and restart x?
[06:39] <crimsun> froust: now log off and make sure you Save session settings
[06:39] <Bobafett> Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog...
[06:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. On TV - a 9 year old girl stole the Faimley Car.
[06:39] <froust> okeydokes.
[06:39] <bestadvocate> hey has anyone else been getting alot of crashes on firefox/thunderbird in hoary?
[06:39] <Bobafett> hence, no TNT2 support. Bummer.
[06:39] <rriche> my synaptic package manager does not list gtk2-engines-dev.. anyone know a repository?
[06:39] <Dr_willis> wonder what HEr insurance rates will be when she turns 18
[06:39] <thoreauputic> OK Bobafett, that's the "stable" release
[06:40] <froust> "no volume control or device elements found"
[06:40] <crimsun> froust: excellent.
[06:40] <rriche> hrrm
[06:40] <rriche> i see... i think it's searching the cd-rom for it.
[06:40] <Yomic> Wha can't I get Firefox to run this .jnlp file?
[06:40] <Bobafett> so, I cant get my tnt2 running in warty??
[06:40] <crimsun> froust: now go back to Sound and check that box that you just unchecked
[06:40] <Bobafett> ohhh bummer...
[06:40] <froust> okay.
[06:40] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: I think crypticreignwas saying it *is* supported in warty
[06:40] <froust> and relog?
[06:40] <crimsun> froust: no
[06:40] <froust> with save current setup?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> oops  crimsun
[06:40] <rriche> ohhh
[06:41] <crimsun> froust: System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector
[06:41] <thoreauputic> lazy tab complete...
[06:41] <rriche> gtk2-engines-dev is hoary only?
[06:41] <Bobafett> I guess its not as simple as downloading the linux detonators from nvidia...right?
[06:41] <crimsun> froust: Audio>Default Sink>ESD>Test
[06:41] <rriche> is there an alternative of gtk2-engines-dev for warty?
[06:41] <froust> failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD"
[06:41] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: read http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:41] <Yomic> Bobafett: I'm a noob too. Welcome to the club :D
[06:41] <crimsun> froust: pgrep polypaudio
[06:42] <Bobafett> Windows corrupted me oh so long ago...
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: and search ubuntulinux.org as well
[06:42] <Bobafett> Ive been browsing ubuntulinix.org
[06:42] <froust> from command line?
[06:42] <Bobafett> but havent found anything concerning TNT2 PCIs...
[06:42] <crimsun> froust: yes
[06:42] <Bobafett> Will do, though...thanks for all the help, guys
[06:42] <froust> nothing
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: binary drivers howto
[06:43] <bestadvocate> anyone else running AMD 64?
[06:43] <Bobafett> checking ASAP....thanks thoreauputic!
[06:43] <crimsun> froust: that command returned nothing, no number?
[06:43] <froust> nothing.
[06:43] <crimsun> froust: dpkg -l polypaudio|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[06:44] <froust> no packages found matching polpaudio
[06:44] <froust> polypaudio rather
[06:44] <Karlac> hello I'm a complete newb to linux and I'm having trouble getting my network card to work
[06:44] <crimsun> froust: please run: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:45] <bestadvocate> Karlac, land or air?
[06:45] <froust> it's working at it.
[06:45] <froust> what does that do?
[06:45] <Karlac> i installed ubuntu on my laptop and i can't get either card the land or the wifi card to work
[06:45] <crimsun> froust: updates your system to the latest available packages in Hoary
[06:46] <froust> i just did an update - that's what broke everything :|
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:46] <Karlac> under the device manager it seems to recognize them but doesn't do anything else
[06:46] <crimsun> froust: an update should not break anything
[06:46] <crimsun> froust: that only refreshes the package and source listings
[06:46] <froust> i know
[06:46] <froust> that's what confused me
[06:47] <bestadvocate> odd, did you check out the wiki pages?
[06:47] <froust> it removed my gnome-games too
[06:47] <rriche> oh yah.. this clearlooks is the rox
[06:47] <rriche> :)
[06:47] <bestadvocate> froust: did that to me too
[06:47] <froust> weird
[06:47] <froust> crimsun: that's done. should i relog?
[06:47] <bestadvocate> also messed up firefox/thunderbird
[06:47] <Karlac> the wiki pages are confusing for me to navigate that's why i'm here :)
[06:48] <froust> my firefox seems to be working
[06:48] <bestadvocate> karlac: you need someone who knows what their talking about
[06:48] <crimsun> froust: if it's finished, yes, log out and back in, and remember to enable the sound server via System>Preferences>Sound after you log back in
[06:48] <blaaa> im about to go from windows to ubuntu and seeing that theres a new version coming out ina month or two...thats not gonna be any kind or problem to update it is it?
[06:49] <bestadvocate> froust: seems to crash randomly on me
[06:49] <froust> should i disable it before i log out?
[06:49] <Dr_willis> blaaa,  updates should go smoothley
[06:49] <blaaa> k
[06:50] <froust> brb.
[06:50] <Dr_willis> thats somthing that ubuntu works on  :P to make updates easy.
[06:50] <blaaa> anyone know anything about ubuntu and an onboard raid that i wanna set up?
[06:50] <blaaa> possible under unbuntu?
[06:50] <blaaa> they are sata also...
[06:50] <Dr_willis> blaaa,  the installer sees my raid.. i THINK i could just install to it. SATA raid. :p
[06:50] <Bobafett> thoreauputic, i entered the syntax at the command line, but it says the package is not available...i assume i have to download it...but where do i save stuff? -for future reference, i guess xD-
[06:50] <Dr_willis> but thats where my windows is at.. so i got a IDE drive just for Ubuntui
[06:50] <blaaa> k
[06:51] <Dr_willis> it showed up as 3 scsi devices
[06:51] <Dr_willis> #3 was the raid i think
[06:51] <froust> crimsun: nada.
[06:51] <froust> it starts 3 instances of gaim now when i login though
[06:51] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: are you using the package manager? (synaptic)? Have you read the howto on that?
[06:52] <blaaa> will a sata raid (stiped) see any performance boost?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> should but proberly nto real noticeable
[06:52] <blaaa> yea thats what i thought
[06:52] <blaaa> might as well use it i guess :D
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ive only noticed my RAID giveing me a big boost in loading LARGE files.. Like Game Maps and so forth.
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: don't just randomly download stuff - this isn't windows any more ;-)
[06:53] <froust> crimsun: should i install polypaudio?
[06:53] <sacha__> hi
[06:53] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto   <<< Bobafett
[06:53] <sacha__> anyone know a good gnome messenger?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> gaim
[06:54] <blaaa> gaim
[06:54] <Bobafett> ohhhhhh i miss windows already...this is gonna take a while to get used to...
[06:54] <sacha__> yea - well - i don't like gaim :S is there a list anywhere?
[06:54] <crimsun> froust: yes, you most definitely need polypaudio.
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: read the links I gave you: your sources need to be configured and reloaded etc
[06:55] <froust> okay. also, my games depends on a package, but htat package isn't going to be installed
[06:55] <froust> this happened before... i'm not sure why.
[06:55] <bestadvocate> what is GDB and can i use it to get error reports for firefox?
[06:55] <froust> the latest versions are off by x.x.1
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: and once you get going you won't miss windows any more
[06:55] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:55] <sacha__> i want something similar to trillian - i believe there is no linux version of trillian...
[06:55] <blaaa> ome more question and ill get outta you guys' hair...can i use fluxbox in ubuntu?
[06:55] <blaaa> is it in the universe package thingy?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> blaaa: yes you can (I do)
[06:56] <froust> i'm installing all polypaudio packages.
[06:56] <blaaa> pwefect
[06:56] <blaaa> tnx guys
[06:57] <froust> still nothing
[06:57] <Bobafett> thoreauputic, how much time does the average human need to learn all this stuff? *blush*
[06:57] <Blackice1963> lol
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: *grin* I remeber the feeling
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: it gets easier
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to use grip to rip a cd, but it says "unable to initialize /dev/cdrom"
[06:58] <crimsun> froust: you have to start polypaudio...
[06:58] <froust> crimsun: how do i do that?
[06:58] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: well, does /dev/cdrom exist?
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see a "cdrom" in /dev, but when i used to use slackare, grip worked fine.
[06:58] <goldfish> Is there a command one can run in a terminal to take a screenshot?
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> nope.  why the hell would that be?
[06:58] <crimsun> froust: execute polypaudio in a terminal
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> goldfish:  yes
[06:59] <Dr_willis>  - dev/cdrom is normally a link to the ACTUAL device.
[06:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
[06:59] <froust> it's already running
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..gotcha.
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: you are now a member of the Open Source community: it's a different country with different customs ;-)
[06:59] <froust> now the esd thing can test, but no sound comes out
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.  there's udev.rules
[06:59] <goldfish> BROKEN_LADDER: What is it? :)
[06:59] <crimsun> froust: so...unmute?
[07:00] <froust> how?
[07:00] <crimsun> froust: volume control, or alsamixer
[07:00] <froust> when i try to launch volume control it says no volume control elements and/or devices found
[07:01] <Bobafett> thoreauputic > ohhhh i feel a bit like alice...tumbling down the rabbit hole... LOL
[07:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> goldfish:  i don' remember.  try google for it.  it's like..capture or something like that.
[07:01] <crimsun> froust: cat /proc/asound/modules
[07:01] <mlambie> after a software suspend on my thinpad r40, / gets mounted readonly. can anyone help me out with that?
[07:01] <goldfish> BROKEN_LADDER: cheers
[07:01] <froust> 0 snd_intel8x0
[07:01] <froust> that's it.
[07:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> mmhmm
[07:02] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: hehe - reading is the first step - and http://google.com/linux is your friend
[07:02] <Blackice1963> can i apt-get install xine dvd player ??????
[07:02] <goldfish> yes
[07:02] <crimsun> froust: is gstreamer-properties configured to use esd?
[07:02] <Bobafett> http://google.com/linux ??????????
[07:02] <froust> i don't know.
[07:02] <Bobafett> OMG first time ever i hear about THAT
[07:02] <Bobafett> LOL
[07:03] <Bobafett> what windows does to us...
[07:03] <froust> how would i configure it to use esd or alsa?
[07:03] <bob2> Blackice1963: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:03] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: it even has a penguin ;-) have a look ...
[07:03] <Blackice1963> ok
[07:04] <bob2> froust: the gnome volume control uses alsa by default
[07:04] <froust> bob2: i don't think mine is.
[07:04] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: is this your first day in Linux?
[07:04] <froust> how could i set it up for alsa?
[07:04] <Brunellus> I'm tearing my hair out!
[07:04] <_phate_> Does anyone know how to get a Serial Mouse to work in Ubuntu?
[07:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i find out which device my cdrom is?
[07:05] <froust> Bobafett: try ubuntuguide.org - i found it to be fairly helpful
[07:05] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper wont' build
[07:05] <Brunellus> I followed every bloody step on the ndiswrapper howto, and it won't build the debian way
[07:05] <Brunellus> when I built it from source the other night, it worked.  but it promptly quit working when I did a kernel-update
[07:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> no kidding.
[07:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> Brunellus:  join the club.
[07:06] <froust> How can I configure gstreamer?
[07:06] <Brunellus> so I wiped, reinstalled, and decided to try from nothing The Right Way
[07:06] <Bobafett> yep, first day with *nix
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: because yo built against the old kernel
[07:06] <Brunellus> and now, having done everything "right" so that ndiswrapper will surivive another kernel update
[07:06] <Bobafett> actually, first day out of Bill Gates' grip xD
[07:06] <bob2> froust: it is
[07:06] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I *shouldn't* have built against the old kernel
[07:06] <bob2> Brunellus: you don't need to build it
[07:06] <_phate_> How do I setup in a Serial Mouse?
[07:06] <froust> then why isn't my sound working?
[07:07] <Brunellus> because there is NO NEW KERNEL.  I wiped an reinstalled from the warty install cd
[07:07] <bob2> _phate_: stop repeating, I'll answer in a moment
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: welcome :)
[07:07] <_phate_> sorry
[07:07] <bob2> Brunellus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[07:07] <Brunellus> bob2:  did that
[07:07] <bob2> Brunellus: and?
[07:07] <Brunellus> to the *letter*
[07:07] <_phate_> didn't know someone saw me, ^_^
[07:07] <Brunellus> and "invalid module type"
[07:07] <bob2> building ndiswrapper yourself only makes it harder
[07:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> warty?  use hoary.
[07:07] <bob2> Brunellus: what does 'uname -r' say? modinfo on the file?
[07:08] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: dude, can you not recommend people who have trouble with waryt use hoary, unless you're going to give them your phone number?
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> hoary is newer.
[07:08] <bob2> _phate_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, tell it to use /dev/ttyS0 as the mouse device
[07:08] <crimsun> froust: pgrep polypaudio
[07:08] <sacha__> yea but hoary is alpha
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> what?!
[07:08] <bob2> froust: what error does alsamixer give?
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought hoary was out.
[07:09] <Brunellus> hang on
[07:09] <bob2> no
[07:09] <Brunellus> gotta go up two flights to check
[07:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> my bad.
[07:09] <bob2> shockingly, it's 6 month release cycle hasn't finished four months after warty
[07:09] <sacha__> lol
[07:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> now can someone please tell me how to find out which /dev entry is for my cdrom?
[07:09] <sacha__> it's only in array 5 :( as scheduled
[07:09] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: you can't in general
[07:09] <Brunellus> without ndiswrapper, the box has no connectivity.  I've been working on this since...oh...um...1500h and it's now 0108
[07:09] <Bobafett> Ok, guys...one final question, and then I guess Im on my own xD
[07:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just started using ubunt..i don't know the release daes.
[07:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> dates
[07:09] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: assuming /dev/cdrom is broken
[07:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> can't?
[07:09] <Bobafett> If I wanna install software...do I have to do it via synaptic too?
[07:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does it normally begin with?
[07:10] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you're missing the cd-aliases.rules
[07:10] <Blackice1963> no
[07:10] <crimsun> symlink
[07:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> like my hard drive is hdx
[07:10] <bob2> Bobafett: you don't "have" to do anything, but you that's the normal way
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: you're not on your own - there are thousands of people who can help :)
[07:10] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: and your IDE cdrom is hdx, too
[07:10] <Blackice1963> aapt-get
[07:10] <mlambie> suspend test
[07:10] <Bobafett> Ok...then, Synaptic it is i guess xD
[07:10] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: cd /etc/udev/rules.d/ && sudo ln -s ../cd-aliases.rules .
[07:10] <Bobafett> Thanks everyone!!!
[07:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> how could i be missing it if i didn't delete it?
[07:10] <bob2> crimsun: is that a known bug?
[07:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would i need to use sudo?  i'm root.
[07:10] <crimsun> bob2: it's hit and miss, unfortunately
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Bobafett: synaptic will ensure you get all dependencies and don't have to run in circles
[07:11] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: then don't use sudo
[07:11] <bob2> obviously
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> heh
[07:11] <Brunellus> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[07:11] <Brunellus> that's what uname gives me
[07:11] <sacha__> gives me Linux
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> cd-aliases.rules -> ../cd-aliases.rules
[07:11] <Dr_willis> try uname -a :P
[07:11] <bob2> Brunellus: and when you run 'modprobe ndiswrapper'?
[07:12] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: after you create the symlink, /etc/init.d/udev restart
[07:12] <bob2> sacha__: uname -r.
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> create which symlink?
[07:12] <Brunellus> "invalid module type"
[07:12] <froust> well
[07:12] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the cd-aliases.rules one
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..i might have removed udev from svcs
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have it.
[07:12] <froust> i think that i've just run into a bizarre update bug
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> it exists
[07:12] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er
[07:12] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: that will break things
[07:12] <froust> i'll just wait for the next update
[07:12] <bob2> surprisingly
[07:12] <punkass> hello
[07:12] <froust> bob2, crimsun; thanks for your help
[07:12] <Brunellus> I'm furious.
[07:13] <sacha__> ok uname -r gives me 2.6.10-3-amd64-generic
[07:13] <Brunellus> I'm running 2.6.8-3-386;  this shouldn't be impossible
[07:13] <_phate_> Should I turn on Kernel Framebuffer interface?
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> what on earth?!  i set the permissions on /etc/rc2.d/samba to -x and now it's back to +x
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> >:(
[07:13] <punkass> anyone know what the deal is with the windowlist panel jamming all the window icons together...running hoary
[07:14] <Brunellus> I built ndiswrapper from the tarballs myself a few days ago and that ran first time, no big deal
[07:14] <Brunellus> so then I find out that if I ever apt-get upgrade-dist, it will break ndiswrapper, and I woul dhave to recompile
[07:14] <Macaque> Hi there!
[07:15] <Brunellus> no big deal;  I recompile, right?  and nothing.  I try it The Debian Way, and still the same invalid bloody module type
[07:15] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: it's a symlink, dude
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: well, if the kernel changes, yes
[07:15] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: if you want to disable it from starting, delete the S symlink for it from /etc/rc2.d
[07:15] <goldfish> Macaque: hello
[07:15] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  so why is this not building right even if I'm using the kernel that buitl right in the first place?!
[07:15] <bob2> Brunellus: something else is going on
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't know symlinks didn't have their own permissions.
[07:15] <Brunellus> I'll say.
[07:16] <froust> ahh the joys of unstable.
[07:16] <froust> goodnight all.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2:  okay i restarted udev, still no cdrom. :(
[07:16] <Brunellus> bob2:  I would have thought formatting & reinstalling from cd would have eliminated that possibility
[07:16] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you're using hoary's udev package, correct?
[07:16] <Brunellus> I didn't--couldn't!--download any new packages during the isntatllation process
[07:16] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: 1. It worked before 2 It doesn't now 3 something else has changed (either from you or the system)
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using hoary.
[07:17] <Brunellus> what has changed is that I didn't build it from the tarball on the ndiswrapper site
[07:17] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: ok
[07:17] <bob2> Brunellus: it's worked for thousands of other people, something is up on your system
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> interestingly, there's no samba link in rcS.d anymore.
[07:17] <bob2> I'm not even sure how  you could get that error without disc corruption or an old kernel
[07:17] <Macaque> I'm trying to figure out a 802.11g adapter. I haven't found drivers for the ntegear wg111t after googling came up blank I thought I'd see if anyone here know if I'm outa luck
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> me?
[07:18] <sacha__> ok by default - it'll only let me choose 800x600 and 1024x768 from System menu, do i have to manually change xorg.conf?
[07:18] <Macaque> sorry netgear
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> dist-upgrade offers me nothing new.
[07:18] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/cd-aliases.rules
[07:18] <Brunellus> is 2.6.8-3-386 old enough?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: There exists a possibility, however slight, that you have made an error ;-)
[07:18] <Quarupt> My Lime wire GUI is hella buggy and crappy, i dunno if its my Lime wire or my Java
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 19 Mar  1 22:11 /etc/udev/rules.d/cd-aliases.rules -> ../cd-aliases.rules
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i never had problems with lw.
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> and that was a year ago.
[07:18] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  I'm trying to work out what the error is.  if I'm a bit irritable, ti's because I've been slowly cranking through every available option over the past few hours
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: yeah, I understand :)
[07:19] <sacha__> so does anyone know if i have to add the resolutions manually into xorg.conf?
[07:20] <Brunellus> what annoys me is that the other night, without consulting the "right" docs, I built ndiswrapper from tarballs and got it going with no problems
[07:20] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: after you restarted udev, does /dev/cdrom exist?
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> woah bob2  suddenly cdrom exists.
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> it does now.. it didn't after restarting udev, but does now.
[07:20] <Brunellus> that stayed up and stable for about a day and a half, before I had to power it down
[07:20] <Brunellus> in the meantime, I did an apt-get upgrade-dist
[07:20] <Brunellus> initially, I thought the upgrade-dist broke things, and I needed to fix this
[07:21] <Brunellus> I decided to start over again, so I formatted the partition and reinstalled warty, fresh from CD
[07:21] <_phate_> I ran the reconfig tool, now do I just restart the system or just X?
[07:21] <Brunellus> I tried to install ndiswrapper according to the howto, and I receive the same error that I received *after* the upgrade-dist
[07:22] <pussfeller> whats a good wireless card that works natively?
[07:22] <Brunellus> so the choice I'm faced with is wipe & reinstall *again,* and build it from the tarballs
[07:23] <Brunellus> knowing that if I ever apt upgrade, I'll be stuck with no connectivity
[07:23] <Brunellus> or learn to do it The Ubuntu Way and prevent breakage altogether by not having it run in the first place.
[07:23] <_phate_> pussfeller, iirc that any prism card will work.
[07:23] <bob2> an important thing to remember is that people don't have to randomly update every day
[07:23] <bob2> if it works, you can just leave it
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: actually, you only get new kernels with dist-upgrade ; if you do apt-get upgrade the kernel will be held back
[07:24] <Brunellus> I did a dist-upgrade
[07:24] <Quarupt> Is there an easy way to uninstall JAva in Hoary?
[07:24] <Brunellus> I was following, to the letter, the ubuntu multimedia howto
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: I realise that: but it isn't compulsory
[07:26] <Brunellus> OK.  so I should just wipe and reinstall *agian,* the way I know how
[07:26] <Brunellus> and make sure the kernel is held back, since it supports all the hardware that I run on the machine anyway.
[07:26] <Brunellus> correct?
[07:27] <sacha__> daniels ?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: that's one option - the other is to try and work out what the problem is. Up to you really
[07:28] <Brunellus> I'm not that competent, thoreauputic.  I've tried everything I can get hold of, in terms of documentation & howtos on the subject
[07:28] <daniels> sacha__: ?
[07:28] <sacha__> about that screen resolution problem - do i just manually add my resolution to xorg.conf?
[07:29] <Brunellus> I dont' even know where to begin.
[07:29] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: If your first attempt worked, I guess repeating that is the path of least resistance
[07:29] <thoreauputic> Brunellus: might be less stressful, anyway
[07:29] <Brunellus> I've tried building from ndiswrapper-source and using the KSRC argument to point to the 2.6.8-1-386 headers
[07:30] <soren9580> anyone in here have any idea how to get around this error when i run ircd  "do not run ircd setuid root."
[07:30] <Brunellus> it built, it dpkg'd, but when I modprobe, same "invalid module type" error.
[07:30] <cafuego> Brunellus: You should be able (in theory) to use make-kpkg from that kernel-headers directory.
[07:30] <cafuego> soren9580: Don't run it as root.
[07:30] <Brunellus> cafuego:  I hadn't heard that before.  I'm listening.
[07:31] <cafuego> Brunellus: Hold on a moment.
[07:31] <soren9580> i figured as much
[07:31] <soren9580> but it says i dont have permission to run it
[07:31] <soren9580> when i run it not as root
[07:31] <soren9580> Fail: Cannot chdir(/usr/local/lib/ircd): Permission denied
[07:31] <cafuego> soren9580: chown it to a special ircd user/group.
[07:32] <soren9580> ok
[07:32] <soren9580> so i need to add a user and group ircd?
[07:32] <cafuego> soren9580: yep.
[07:32] <soren9580> and i do that with adduser?
[07:32] <soren9580> and modifying /etc/group?
[07:32] <cafuego> Brunellus: Is the ndiswrapepr stuff in /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper ?
[07:32] <cafuego> soren9580: yep
[07:32] <soren9580> ok
[07:32] <Brunellus> cafuego:  yes.
[07:32] <cafuego> soren9580: it'll automatically add the group
[07:32] <soren9580> ok
[07:32] <soren9580> once i've added the user
[07:33] <cafuego> Brunellus: ok, cd to the kernel headers dir under /usr/src
[07:33] <soren9580> i log in as ircd and start it that way
[07:33] <Brunellus> cafuego: you'll have to give me several steps at a time
[07:33] <Brunellus> the affected computer is up two flights of stairs
[07:33] <Brunellus> and can't be brought down
[07:33] <cafuego> soren9580: No, once you add the user/group, you chown the ircd files to that user/group.
[07:34] <cafuego> Brunellus: Can you be brought up, though?
[07:34] <Brunellus> cafuego:  I can go up, but then I can't talk to you
[07:34] <daniels> sacha__: yeah, in the Modes lines
[07:34] <Brunellus> this is the only working internet connection in the house, at the moment.  the toher one was the upstairs computer, which connects via wlan
[07:35] <Brunellus> which is now in an advanced state of non-function
[07:35] <cafuego> Brunellus: Ok :-)  After you cd, run 'make-kpkg modules-image'  (make sure 'kernel-package' is installed) and then run dpkg -i to install the deb that is generated. That should be all there is to it.
[07:36] <Brunellus> cafuego:  that'll be before I make the ndiswrapper-modules deb, right?
[07:36] <cafuego> Shit
[07:36] <cafuego> Brunellus: make-kpkg will create the deb for you.
[07:37] <sacha__> yea daniels - i added them - i guess i have to restart xorg for them to appear - but i was just wondering about depths - shouldn't 32 be there?
[07:37] <Brunellus> ok.
[07:37] <kpnemo> hi all
[07:37] <kpnemo> can somebody help me
[07:38] <kpnemo> i have problem with libid3tag0
[07:38] <Macaque> No hope getting a Netgear wg111t 802.11g adapter working with debian?
[07:39] <Tarkus> yo, how do i access my floppy drive??
[07:39] <TomAraya> Tarkus, computer - disk - floppy1 isn't working for you?
[07:39] <Tarkus> TomAraya: there is no floppy1
[07:40] <TomAraya> Oh. :P
[07:40] <Tarkus> maybe its cloop?
[07:40] <Tarkus> cloop0
[07:40] <Tarkus> lol, it doesnt work anyways
[07:40] <thoreauputic> no
[07:40] <Blackice1963> lol
[07:41] <kpnemo> so anyone ???
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: in a terminal, type ` cat /etc/fstab ` and see if there's a reference to /dev/fd0 or similar (your floppy)
[07:41] <Tarkus> thoreauputic: kk, ill try that, thnx
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: should be in there (if not, it will ahve to be added)
[07:42] <thoreauputic> *have
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Tarkus: but you should be able to do it graphically as TomAraya described
[07:42] <Gor1> Anyone wanna let me bounce a repository question off them?
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Gor1: just ask - if someone knows they'll help
[07:43] <Gor1> I think I am missing something with synaptic
[07:44] <Gor1> I made the edit's that are suggested on ubuntuguide.org
[07:44] <Gor1> however I am not really seeing any changes as far as new versions of software go?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> Gor1: did you hit the reload button after the changes?
[07:45] <Gor1> For instance, Gaim is now releasing 1.1.4, however Synaptic still shows 1.0.0.  Is this to be expected?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> yes
[07:45] <TomAraya> Gor1, *nod*
[07:45] <thoreauputic> Gor1: warty is "stable" - ie new versions will not be added
[07:45] <mlambie> fitzy: yo fitzy
[07:45] <thoreauputic> Gor1: except for security updates
[07:46] <thoreauputic> Gor1: the next "stable" release is in April
[07:46] <Gor1> I added several entries that include unstable, and backports.  I was led to believe that those would contain more "bleeding" edge versions of the apps
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Gor1: some apps, yes
[07:47] <Blackice1963> is it going to be kde
[07:47] <thoreauputic> not all
[07:47] <Gor1> however I guess my ASSumptions was incorrect.  :-)
[07:47] <Myrtti> hellou.
[07:47] <Myrtti> Would you happen to know an easy way of getting Citrix-connection to work?
[07:47] <Gor1> Ok, well confirmation for me is all I really need.
[07:48] <Myrtti> is there a good software for that?
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Gor1: if you want to be up-to-the  minute, dist-upgrade to hoary
[07:48] <Myrtti> I tried Citrix's own, but failed to get it working
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Gor1: but if it breaks "you get to keep *both* pieces"
[07:48] <TomAraya> thoreauputic, I was able to access the content of a floppy by using a command that you gave me at an earlier date, that command being sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt. When I right click on one of the files that appears in the 'mnt' window under gnome, is it normal for that file to disappear?
[07:48] <TomAraya> I'm trying to copy a resume so I can edit it, but I'm having no luck.
[07:49] <TomAraya> Dragging and dropping not working, copying and pasting, and right clicking makes it disappear.
[07:49] <sacha__> this is going to sound very stupid - but how do you delete a file? - i've tried man -k delete
[07:49] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: can you drag and drop it to another nautilus window?
[07:49] <Gor1> thoreauputic: any good links explaining how to do a dist upgrade?  I am willing to give 'er a shot
[07:49] <thoreauputic> sacha__: rm ,filename>
[07:49] <sacha__> ok thx
[07:49] <TomAraya> thoreauputic: I was just trying to drag it to the desktop, I'll try what you suggested.
[07:49] <thoreauputic> sorry  rm <filename> where filename is the file
[07:50] <sacha__> should have tried man -k remove :|
[07:50] <TomAraya> thoreauputic, that doesn't seem to work either.
[07:50] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: in theory it should drag to the desktop - desktop is a directory in nautilus
[07:50] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: hmm
[07:51] <rambo> [VOTE]  1) Helen keller can indeed fly 2) Helen keller can't fly ||| 1 or 2!!!!
[07:51] <rambo> 1
[07:51] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: do you know what the permissions are on that file?
[07:51] <TomAraya> thoreauputic, you would think. But as I said, when right clicking on a file it disappears (all files are appearing initially though) and when attempting to drag and drop it doesn't work.. and OpenOffice doesn't recognize it.
[07:52] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: can you see it with ls -l in the /mnt directory ?
[07:52] <TomAraya> Um. No, I'm not sure how to do find that out other than right click it or ls it in bash, but I don't know how to access it in bash
[07:52] <Myrtti> no help for me?
[07:52] <thoreauputic> cd /mnt
[07:52] <thoreauputic> then ls -l filename
[07:52] <Deviant_> anyone have any Idea why I can't connect to DHCP to obtain a ip for my wireless? DHCP works fine for the ethernet just not wireless.
[07:52] <EndGame> alright
[07:52] <EndGame> i got ubuntu installed on a machine, and im VERY impressed
[07:53] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: if that outputs something, show me the output line
[07:53] <EndGame> but
[07:53] <EndGame> the networking card isnt working
[07:53] <sacha__> ok so there is no way to delete a non-empty directory?
[07:53] <EndGame> how do i get back into the setup program to install it
[07:53] <thoreauputic> sacha__: yes there is
[07:53] <sacha__> how?
[07:53] <TomAraya> hmm.. cd /mnt
[07:53] <TomAraya> bash: cd: /mnt: Permission denied
[07:53] <TomAraya>  $ sudo cd /mnt
[07:53] <TomAraya> Password:
[07:53] <TomAraya> sudo: cd: command not found
[07:54] <Deviant_> the networking card is working fine .
[07:54] <thoreauputic> sacha__: what are you trying to delete, and are you doing it in a terminal?
[07:54] <Deviant_> it detects networks
[07:54] <Deviant_> and network signal icon has strenth
[07:54] <sacha__> yes i;m trying to delete a folder which has about 50 files and folders within it
[07:54] <EndGame> evidently not, i had it plugged in and all, even got some errors on bootup
[07:54] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: what does ls -l /mnt say?
[07:54] <sacha__> in a terminal, yes
[07:54] <goldfish> sacha__: rm -rf dir
[07:54] <goldfish> in a terminal
[07:54] <sacha__> ok
[07:54] <pmawhinney> how can I access the action variable folder_url in a template?
[07:55] <bestadvocate> i feel like such an ass
[07:55] <thoreauputic> sacha__:  rm -rf nameofdirectory (but be sure - it won't ask for confirmation)
[07:55] <Brunellus> OK.  that's it.
[07:55] <bestadvocate> i replied to the bugzill daemon without thinking about it
[07:55] <Brunellus> I'm going to wipe and go to the last way I knew how
[07:55] <Brunellus> and I wont' apt-dist on this machine any more.
[07:55] <Brunellus> er
[07:55] <Brunellus> that machine
[07:56] <sacha__> yes rm -rf dir worked as in there was no error, but the dir is still there
[07:56] <Brunellus> I overreached:  all I wanted was stability.  oh well.
[07:56] <goldfish> sacha__: em
[07:56] <goldfish> sacha__: should not be :)
[07:56] <Myrtti> Hello, I'm searching a good and easy way of connecting to a ICA Citrix-connection on Ubuntu Hoary. I've already tried their own software, but failed to get it working, so is there another way of doing it?
[07:56] <goldfish> sacha__: What is the dir?
[07:56] <Brunellus> thank you all for your patience all through this afternoon/evening.
[07:56] <Brunellus> goodnight.
[07:56] <sacha__> just a dir i created called moderts
[07:56] <goldfish> nn
[07:56] <goldfish> sacha__: k
[07:57] <bestadvocate> gmail is great have some invite cake
[07:57] <goldfish> haha
[07:57] <sacha__> btw it deleted all the files, but not the dir - i tried using -d and it's still there
[07:58] <goldfish> sacha__: try rmdir dir
[07:58] <mlambie> FYI, you can download the old xchat black theme (as used in warty) from here: http://xchat.org/files/themes/blacktheme.zip
[07:58] <sacha__> ok that worked
[07:58] <goldfish> weird
[07:58] <goldfish> thought rm -rf deleted anything
[07:59] <bestadvocate> I think I should retrain myself in BitchX
[07:59] <goldfish> no
[07:59] <goldfish> bestadvocate: use irssi
[07:59] <sacha__> thx
[07:59] <goldfish> bestadvocate: :)
[07:59] <bestadvocate> you guys getting firefox crashing?
[07:59] <Blackice1963> no
[07:59] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: no
[07:59] <goldfish> i did once
[08:00] <goldfish> when i had the acroreader plugin open
[08:00] <Blackice1963> how
[08:00] <goldfish> i pressed back
[08:00] <bestadvocate> its been happening frequently and randomly
[08:00] <goldfish> and it closed
[08:00] <thoreauputic> one crash in two weeks...
[08:00] <goldfish> only time it crashed for me
[08:00] <bestadvocate> it was very stable till i updated my system today
[08:01] <Blackice1963> i have flash j2re in
[08:01] <sacha__> only problem i'm having with firefox is that they bring up these popups alerting you with a tickbox saying to tick here if you want to receive alerts but you actually have to tick there to stop alerts
[08:02] <mlambie> i don't like the firefox theme that comes with hoary - can i install the standard theme that ships with normal firefox?
[08:02] <Atrophy> Hey Hey Hey
[08:02] <Atrophy> how's everybody doing?
[08:02] <goldfish> fine
[08:03] <bestadvocate> mlambie: is that really nessecarry its like 50kbs of space,
[08:03] <Atrophy> I just reinstalled Hoary, and it "worked" but the update manager and Synaptic can't do anything
[08:03] <Atrophy> when you click "Apply" it just exits
[08:03] <Atrophy> did they change where the packages are at?
[08:04] <Blackice1963> lol
[08:04] <EndGame> how do i install a new networking card
[08:04] <mlambie> i don't want to free up space, it's about how it looks (bestadvocate)
[08:05] <sacha__> hmm i'm trying to make these ati drivers and it says: not found or incomplete file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[08:05] <Atrophy> sacha__ ... LOL if it's the GATOS ATI drivers... give up all hope right now.
[08:06] <sacha__> gatos? it's from ati.com
[08:06] <Atrophy> Seriously... I've been trying to get the damned things to work for two years now
[08:06] <Atrophy> ok you're making the atifglx ones then
[08:06] <Atrophy> nevermind
[08:06] <sacha__> yes
[08:07] <Quarupt> WHAT, hoary doesnt auto-mount thumb drives!!!!
[08:07] <Quarupt> im going back to Warty
[08:07] <mebaran151> Quarupt, does for me
[08:07] <sacha__> so do i just move version.g to that directory?
[08:07] <mebaran151> might just be buggy
[08:07] <Quarupt> Warty was doing it just fine
[08:07] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:07] <mebaran151> but you know
[08:07] <mebaran151> development means break what works and fix what doesnt
[08:07] <jdub> Quarupt: welcome to the development branch. expect bugs.
[08:07] <Atrophy> lol
[08:07] <Quarupt> fuck, i have HW on that disk i need to turn in now, i dunno how to mount it manually
[08:08] <mebaran151> oh
[08:08] <mebaran151> what kind of disk is it
[08:08] <mebaran151> a usb flash drive
[08:08] <Quarupt> i dun even know the fs type
[08:08] <Quarupt> ya
[08:08] <mebaran151> ok
[08:08] <Atrophy> Every new complicated system that doesn't work is found to have evolved from a simpler one that worked just fine.
[08:08] <mebaran151> it is going to be vfat
[08:08] <Quarupt> i think its fat16
[08:08] <mebaran151> ok
[08:08] <mebaran151> do you know what the system sees it as
[08:08] <mebaran151> probably scsi
[08:08] <Quarupt> sda
[08:08] <mebaran151> ok
[08:08] <Atrophy> scsi=system can't see it
[08:08] <mebaran151> hmmm
[08:09] <mebaran151> my scsi firewire drive is seen fine
[08:09] <Quarupt> it a 1 GB
[08:09] <mebaran151> dont matter
[08:09] <mebaran151> go to media
[08:09] <mebaran151> do you see any dirs
[08:09] <Quarupt> oh wait here it comes
[08:09] <mebaran151> oh
[08:09] <Quarupt> lol
[08:09] <mebaran151> so it mounted
[08:09] <Quarupt> it just doesnt make an icon like warty does
[08:09] <mebaran151> ok
[08:09] <Quarupt> it put it in places
[08:09] <mebaran151> you can turn that on
[08:09] <sacha__> pacman (6x)          - simulates a game of Pac-Man on a randomly-created level. woot i'll be here for days
[08:09] <Atrophy> heheheh
[08:09] <mebaran151> jdub, how do you reenable that
[08:10] <mebaran151> and jdub, how do you set sawfish to be my window manager
[08:10] <Quarupt> there is no prgram to open mdb? what about open office?
[08:10] <Atrophy> ok seriously, people... why is my Hoary update manager suddenly not working?
[08:10] <mebaran151> I did it the ghetto way
[08:10] <mebaran151> killing metacity
[08:10] <Atrophy> it says it can't find the repositories
[08:10] <mebaran151> loading sawfish
[08:10] <mebaran151> and saving the config
[08:10] <Atrophy> but unless they moved them in the last two days or so...
[08:10] <mebaran151> but is there a more elegant way rather than doing a kill
[08:10] <mebaran151> Atrophy, mine works on 64 bit
[08:11] <mebaran151> hmmm
[08:11] <mebaran151> what does your source list look like
[08:11] <mebaran151> go to #flood and paste it
[08:11] <Quarupt> whats the openoffice answer to access?
[08:11] <Atrophy> it's all the standard ones except I enabled universe and multiverse and got rid of the CD
[08:11] <punkass> anyone know why all the window icons in the windowlist panel get squished to one side?
[08:11] <Atrophy> I'm currently reinstalling because I tried MEPIS, although I couldn't get MEPIS to install right...
[08:12] <Quarupt> Anyone know if any office apps can open Microcrap access files?
[08:12] <Atrophy> which sucks, cause MEPIS sounds awesome...
[08:12] <sacha__> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include do not match current kernel. they are versioned as "2.6.0-test7" instead of "2.6.10-3-amd64-generic". you might need to adjust your symlinks:
[08:12] <Atrophy> OpenOffice can
[08:12] <sacha__> what is a symlink?
[08:12] <pauldaoust> sacha__: oh boy, I wanna answer that one
[08:12] <Quarupt> which openoffice app?
[08:12] <Quarupt> the math one?
[08:13] <Atrophy> any of them if memory serves
[08:13] <pauldaoust> sacha__: it's like what Windows calls a shortcut, only it works better :)
[08:13] <Atrophy> umm wait... access files
[08:13] <pauldaoust> sacha__: stands for 'symbolic link'
[08:13] <Atrophy> umm I'm not sure about the access files
[08:13] <punkass> hmm i dont think so...maybe the new database app in openoffice 2.0 (1.9.xx
[08:13] <Atrophy> all the other formats can be opened by Open Office though LOL
[08:13] <sacha__> so how do i create a symlink between /usr/include and /usr/src/linux? :)
[08:13] <Quarupt> fuck
[08:14] <Quarupt> i need to do access project for my CS class due in like 20 mins
[08:14] <Atrophy> haha...
[08:14] <Quarupt> i have most of it done
[08:14] <Atrophy> find a windoze computer qwik!
[08:14] <Quarupt> yea right cheap college students cant afford the office suite
[08:14] <pauldaoust> sacha__: actually, I don't think you want to do that... I think you want to symlink /usr/src/linux-2.6.0-test7 to /usr/src/linux
[08:15] <pauldaoust> sacha__: can you tell me the contents of your /usr/src directory?
[08:15] <Atrophy> I'm a college student nad I have office...
[08:15] <Atrophy> *and
[08:15] <Atrophy> anyways what do you have to do in access?
[08:15] <pauldaoust> heh, you said 'nad'
[08:15] <pauldaoust> ^_^
[08:15] <sacha__> 2 dirs, linux and rpm
[08:15] <Quarupt> yea but this is the cheap dorms
[08:15] <Blackice1963> lol
[08:15] <Quarupt> a project
[08:15] <pauldaoust> sacha__: that's it, eh?
[08:15] <Atrophy> and you can't tell me nobody on your floor has office
[08:16] <Atrophy> go knock on doors until one of them does
[08:16] <punkass> Quarupt: looks like it does all formats but access
[08:16] <sacha__> yep and i just created the dir linux/include/linux
[08:16] <Atrophy> hell... go knock on doors in the girls dorms
[08:16] <Atrophy> good way to meet new hotties
[08:16] <Quarupt> what about star office?
[08:16] <Quarupt> its a coed dorm
[08:16] <pauldaoust> sacha__: if you go "ls -l /usr/src" what shows up then? the 'linux' line should look weird, with an arrow pointing to the name of another directory.
[08:16] <Atrophy> well there you go then...
[08:16] <punkass> AdabasD,dbase, mysql,odbc, spreadsheed, text
[08:16] <Quarupt> trust me i know everyone on my floor this is my 3rd year
[08:16] <Quarupt> its an mdb file
[08:17] <sacha__> pauldaoust: it has the directories 'linux' and 'rpm' in blue
[08:17] <lunitik> Atrophy: also a few new stalkers...  :(
[08:17] <Atrophy> lol
[08:17] <Atrophy> hey... if the girls wanna stalk him, so much the better!
[08:18] <pauldaoust> sacha__: sea blue, or more of a sapphire? :)
[08:18] <pauldaoust> (yes, it does matter)
[08:18] <Deviant_> somehere have there wlan setup?
[08:18] <sacha__> pauldaoust: lol sea blue
[08:18] <Deviant_> need to check something
[08:18] <pauldaoust> sacha__: I forget what sea means, one sec :)
[08:18] <Atrophy> anyways seriously somebody pull up your repositories list and tell me where all your URLs point to
[08:19] <punkass> hmm it says it can access and access database...let me try
[08:19] <lunitik> Atrophy: I just have 'deb http://archives.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse'
[08:19] <punkass> and = an
[08:19] <Atrophy> ok
[08:19] <Atrophy> I have us.archives... so that's what the difference is
[08:20] <Atrophy> I wonder why it's doing that...
[08:20] <lunitik> Atrophy: others can be found in the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) ... but don't really need any of them  :/
[08:20] <Atrophy> cause that's what it did by default :-(
[08:20] <pauldaoust> sacha__: hum. you say both 'linux' and 'rpm' are in that ugly seafoam blue colour, not that lovely dark blue?
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[08:20] <sacha__> pauldaoust: it's bordering on light and dark blue - sort of in the middle
[08:20] <lunitik> Atrophy: us.archives is actually what I'm using technically... it redirects and stuff
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> am i alive ?
[08:20] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: nope
[08:21] <pauldaoust> sacha__: but it doesn't have an arrow after it, when you go "ls -l"?
[08:21] <Atrophy> ok it's almost finished installing... hopefully it'll work this time
[08:21] <Atrophy> hey has anyone else had trouble installing MEPIS?
[08:21] <pauldaoust> sacha__: hm, that's weird.. what's weirder is that I never noticed I have no /usr/src/linux directory myself.
[08:21] <sacha__> pauldaoust: no arrows at all just says 'total 8' up the top and then has the permissions, block size, date, etc..
[08:21] <lunitik> Atrophy: not really the place to ask that  :/
[08:21] <mebaran151> trying to use hdparm relates me an error
[08:21] <mebaran151> on sata_nv
[08:21] <pauldaoust> sacha__: I assume you've installed a kernel-sources package then?
[08:21] <mebaran151> aint hints as to how to fix this
[08:22] <sacha__> pauldaoust: it's straight off the cd - i just do regular updates
[08:22] <pauldaoust> sacha__: ah
[08:22] <pauldaoust> weird
[08:22] <Atrophy> sure it's the place to ask that... we all mess around with different distros all the time
[08:22] <Atrophy> just wondering if anyone else has had trouble with MEPIS
[08:22] <Deviant_> could someone with wireless check /etc/network/interfaces and paste to me whats in it.
[08:23] <pauldaoust> sacha__: so what's giving this error? I came into the channel in the middle of what you were first saying?
[08:23] <lunitik> jdub: oh, btw, any reason you didn't include CleartypeHuman when you packaged clearlooks?
[08:23] <lunitik> ClearlooksHuman *
[08:23] <sacha__> pauldaoust: oh when i try to make.sh some ati drivers they say it needs version.h
[08:23] <pauldaoust> sacha__: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
[08:23] <pauldaoust> I um
[08:23] <sacha__> pauldaoust: so i created the dir where they wanted it to go
[08:23] <pauldaoust> sacha__: ah, I getcha
[08:24] <Atrophy> ok this time I had it not try to update itself from the net
[08:24] <pauldaoust> sacha__: okay, here's what you need to do. Are you a newcomer to Debian and Ubuntu? (i.e., are you comfy installing packages through apt-get or Synaptic?)
[08:25] <Atrophy> anyways next question:  Once I add a new display manager(3Dwm), how do I add it to the Sessions dropdown on the graphical login?
[08:25] <sacha__> well i've had ubuntu for about a month - don't use it much though
[08:25] <lunitik> Atrophy: It should just appear... like magic and stuff
[08:25] <Atrophy> yeah, but it doesn't
[08:25] <sacha__> i just use apt-get
[08:26] <lunitik> Atrophy: heh... gah... not a Debian package?  :(
[08:26] <Atrophy> KDE didn't appear either
[08:26] <sacha__> pauldaust: what do i need to install?
[08:26] <Atrophy> I installed it using Synaptic
[08:26] <Atrophy> so it should've worked
[08:26] <pauldaoust> sacha__: okay. So what you want to do is rmdir /usr/src/linux and then install... let's see... one sec :)
[08:27] <pauldaoust> sacha__: you should try Synaptic in the 'Computer > System Configuration' menu. It's a real treat compared to apt-get.
[08:27] <Atrophy> I love it when things should work but they don't...
[08:27] <pauldaoust> best thing in the world, ain't it, Atrophy ^_^
[08:27] <Atrophy> yup
[08:27] <pauldaoust> seems to happen so often in the world of computers.
[08:27] <pauldaoust> hey folks, I have weird load problems during periods of high disk usage... funny thing is that my load goes sky-high, but my processor usage barely budges. But my mouse skips and locks up, and I can't move windows, just as if the processor were at 100% usage. I think kswapd is spawning threads or something... yes, DMA is on; yes, I have a UDMA100 hard drive; yes, my cable has 80 conductors. ReiserFS, if anyone needs to know.
[08:27] <sacha__> pauldaust: where's the computer menu?
[08:27] <Atrophy> LOL and I love Linux... where everything works "in theory."
[08:27] <pauldaoust> sacha__: to the right of the Applications menu
[08:27] <sacha__> nvm it's in administration
[08:28] <pauldaoust> :)
[08:28] <Blackice1963> can you install kde ???????
[08:28] <sacha__> pauldaust: ok i'm there
[08:28] <pauldaoust> sacha__: administration? are you sure you're using Ubuntu? ;)
[08:28] <sacha__> pauldaust: yes
[08:28] <Blackice1963> wwith gnome
[08:28] <lunitik> Blackice1963:  sure
[08:28] <sacha__> pauldaust: Gnome->Administration->Synaptic with ubuntu array 4->5
[08:28] <sacha__> pauldaust: System=gnome
[08:29] <Blackice1963> apt-get install kde
[08:29] <Blackice1963> ok
[08:29] <pauldaoust> sacha__: oh, you're using Hoary... I'm not there yet :)
[08:29] <sacha__> pauldaust: ;)
[08:30] <Atrophy> man I need to go to bed it's 1:30 and I have class at 9
[08:30] <pauldaoust> great Scott, this apt update is taking ages to download... maybe I should cancel my torrents...
[08:30] <Atrophy> but LOL am I going to go?  No... I have to stay up and break my computer some more ;-)
[08:30] <lunitik> pauldaoust: pretty stable right now considering its a devel branch... hell, even if it weren't
[08:30] <pauldaoust> (one of which happens to be Hoary array 5)
[08:31] <lunitik> pauldaoust: I prefer the daily snapshots... find the most recent with no issues on your arch, then you don't have to upgrade so much post-install  :P
[08:31] <pauldaoust> lunitik: cool stuff. I'm using chunks of Hoary... mostly programs that were stale in Warty, like jack, screem, ardour, python, Firefox, etc...
[08:31] <pauldaoust> lunitik: how do daily snapshots work? do you mean just daily updates through apt?
[08:31] <Atrophy> ehh spending 5 hours upgrading post install is what it's all about!
[08:32] <Atrophy> It gives you more time to get to know your loved ones!
[08:32] <pauldaoust> Atrophy: I don't see the problem with that either ^_^
[08:32] <lunitik> pauldaoust: a script gets ran once a day, and voila, you have a snapshot of the archive as an iso  :)
[08:32] <sacha__> btw i'm worried about how reliable with firefox download manager is - it says i was downloading at 2000+kB/s even though my cable is theoretically only capable of going at 1250kB/s
[08:32] <pauldaoust> lunitik: my word
[08:32] <Atrophy> lol
[08:32] <lunitik> pauldaoust: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
[08:32] <pauldaoust> sacha__: heh, that's funny
[08:32] <Atrophy> rock on sacha__
[08:33] <pauldaoust> lunitik: you mean I just finished downloading Hoary array5 for nothing?!?
[08:33] <Atrophy> you've got one of those super-secret DoD cable modems!
[08:33] <sacha__> pauldaust: do you know what package i need to download in synaptic?
[08:33] <lunitik> pauldaoust: heh... I know huh... pay peticular attention though to the 'report.html' files...
[08:33] <Atrophy> pauldaoust... no... you can upgrade
[08:33] <lunitik> pauldaoust: if only to glance at the bottem and make sure nothing is bad on your arch
[08:33] <pauldaoust> sacha__: just finished downloading the package list now. one sec
[08:34] <lunitik> pauldaoust: for nothing? no... but afaik, the array's are just daily images that can be refered to more easily
[08:34] <Atrophy> Good God it takes FOREVER for it to set up all my packages on first boot
[08:34] <punkass> omg bill gates is going to be knighted
[08:34] <Atrophy> lol good for him
[08:34] <pauldaoust> sacha__: okay, you want to download kernel-headers and probably kernel-source. I've had no luck compiling drivers in Ubuntu myself, though, so I can't help you much more than that ^_^
[08:34] <FAST> is there a way to remove any info/config settings for my audio devices, and have something probe and auto configure them?
[08:34] <Atrophy> and this might be our only chance!!!  When else are we gonna get a sword that close to his neck?
[08:34] <sacha__> ok
[08:35] <lunitik> punkass: knighthood means nothing anymore... there are a few soccer coaches that have been knighted for instance  :/
[08:35] <Atrophy> heheheh
[08:35] <punkass> yeah i know..but its still kinda funny
[08:35] <Atrophy> i wouldn't mind being knighted
[08:35] <Atrophy> that'd look GREAT on a resume!
[08:35] <pauldaoust> well, folks, it's 11:30, I'm going to bed.
[08:35] <punkass> i am sir bill gates...uber geek!
[08:35] <pauldaoust> BUT before I go...
[08:35] <sacha__> pauldaust: only package i see startign with kernel is kernel-package and kernel-wedge
[08:36] <pauldaoust> sacha__: you went 'search' in Synaptic?
[08:36] <lunitik> sacha__: you want linux-*  ... kernel-* is the Debian kernels
[08:36] <pauldaoust> sacha__: oh, silly me. you probably have to enable and download the online repository lists.
[08:36] <Atrophy> wow lunitik... that's mighty intuitive.
[08:36] <pauldaoust> lunitik: see how much I know ^_^
[08:36] <Atrophy> ;-)
[08:37] <pauldaoust> lunitik: I almost screwed up sacha__ 's install......
[08:37] <sacha__> pauldaust: lol
[08:37] <lunitik> Atrophy: haha... I know huh... but Debian kernels aren't accessable by default...
[08:37] <pauldaoust> so, before I go to bed, anyone having problems like the ones I mentioned? with the load average soaring under disk usage? and freezing up my entire computer? even when the processor's hardly being used at all?
[08:37] <Atrophy> lunitik... what are the debian kernels?
[08:38] <Atrophy> is that just a tweaked kernel or is it something different?
[08:38] <sacha__> pauldaust: i have linux-headers that i have installed are 2.5.999-test7-... do i need to upgrade them?
[08:38] <lunitik> Atrophy: kernels packaged by debian developers... they tend to have a lot of things taken out, and don't tend to be heavily patched...
[08:38] <Atrophy> ahh
[08:38] <Atrophy> so those = BAD... gotcha.
[08:38] <pauldaoust> sacha__: golly, yes, those are ancient.
[08:39] <FAST> is there a way to remove any info/config settings for my audio devices, and have something probe and auto configure them?
[08:39] <lunitik> Atrophy: Ubuntu kernels appear to get more patches, and also don't seem to remove quite as much... although some still ends up in linux-restricted-modules...
[08:39] <Atrophy> lol
[08:39] <pauldaoust> sacha__: I didn't know those were even still available through Ubuntu.
[08:39] <Atrophy> yeah I don't usually concern myself with that
[08:39] <daniels> lunitik: only the ones we don't have all the source to
[08:39] <Atrophy> I let the update manager worry about my kernel
[08:40] <daniels> pauldaoust: sounds like you don't have DMA enabled
[08:40] <lunitik> daniels: indeed, I suppose I should have specified the type that goes into l-r-m huh?  :)
[08:40] <daniels> heh
[08:40] <sacha__> pauldaust: comes with the cd, btw now i have 2.6.10-19
[08:40] <pauldaoust> daniels: that's what I thought, too, but I looked in BIOS, and sure enough, it's enabled.
[08:40] <daniels> pauldaoust: you need support from the kernel as well
[08:41] <Atrophy> ok once this finally finishes setting up my packages... is setting up SAMBA easy in ubuntu?
[08:41] <pauldaoust> daniels: weird. I thought that'd just be in the kernel magically, since it's such a highly desirable thing?
[08:41] <sacha__> pauldaust: the version.h still isn't there - should i get linux-source then? it hasn't been installed
[08:42] <pauldaoust> sacha__: yeah, try it
[08:42] <pauldaoust> daniels: is there a resource you know of that would me get me on track with DMA in Ubuntu's stock kernel?
[08:42] <pauldaoust> (well, not so much *stock*; I'm using the one compiled for K7)
[08:42] <Atrophy> LOL I'm giving my kvm quite a workout tonight
[08:43] <pauldaoust> (and, just to be weird, I'm using the K7 kernel on a PPC processor. HA!)
[08:43] <Atrophy> lol
[08:43] <pauldaoust> (okay, I'm not actually -- but that would be special)
[08:43] <Atrophy> that would be special.... ed.
[08:44] <mebaran151> pauldaoust, how do you run a k7 kernel on a pp7 processor
[08:44] <Atrophy> lol
[08:44] <mebaran151> isnt memory management sort of different
[08:44] <Atrophy> you don't, mebaran151
[08:44] <sacha__> i see some people with their mobo temps on their desktop - what do i need to do that?
[08:44] <mebaran151> or am I missing
[08:44] <lunitik> pauldaoust: well... if you turned off the lights, you'd have an awesome light show (more than likely)
[08:44] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:44] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: just magic. that's all :)
[08:44] <mebaran151> I thought so
[08:44] <mebaran151> oh
[08:44] <mebaran151> I didnt read what you wrote under
[08:44] <mebaran151> haha
[08:44] <mebaran151> I am so spaced out
[08:44] <mebaran151> anyway
[08:44] <mebaran151> anyone able to tell me whether dma is enabled
[08:44] <mebaran151> anything I can cat in proc or sys
[08:44] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: no worry, it was a poor attempt at a geek joke :)
[08:45] <mebaran151> haha
[08:45] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: I'm wondering about the same thing myself, actually
[08:45] <Atrophy> Send complaints to /dev/null.
[08:45] <mebaran151> heheh
[08:45] <Atrophy> oh here's the best geek joke of all
[08:45] <pauldaoust> daniels seems to have the answer, but seems also to have left
[08:45] <pauldaoust> :)
[08:45] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:45] <mebaran151> he probably does
[08:45] <Atrophy> There are only 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary, and those that don't.
[08:45] <mebaran151> probably some sysctl thing
[08:45] <pauldaoust> ho ho ho.
[08:45] <mebaran151> that will break up stuff
[08:46] <mebaran151> Atrophy, I never heard THAT one before
[08:46] <Atrophy> WOOT!!!  It finished installing!!!
[08:46] <Atrophy> ok now I get to go fix stuph!!!
[08:46] <lunitik> Atrophy: Binary is pretty easy... hex on the other hand? I don't think I'll ever get that down pat
[08:49] <Atrophy> lol hex is fun
[08:49] <Atrophy> especially if you're working with HTML colors
[08:49] <Atrophy> BTW that's the best way to learn your hex
[08:50] <Atrophy> and please... always practice safe hex
[08:50] <mebaran151> pauldaoust, do this
[08:50] <mebaran151> sudo hdparm -I [drive name here] 
[08:50] <Atrophy> ok someone else pull up their repositories and tell me where the URL points to
[08:50] <mebaran151> I am a octal man all the way
[08:50] <mebaran151> 012
[08:50] <Atrophy> that one didn't work
[08:50] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: hah, that's just what I found myself, only it was sudo hdparm -d1 [drive name here] 
[08:50] <mebaran151> hmm
[08:51] <mebaran151> no
[08:51] <mebaran151> the I just lists
[08:51] <mebaran151> for some reason sata_nv wont play nice
[08:51] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: ahhhh
[08:51] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: heh, no problems here; cheapo motherboard
[08:51] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:51] <mebaran151> I have a nice nforce3
[08:52] <mebaran151> to good for simple ioctl
[08:52] <mebaran151> I think I am going to have to cat to the the sys
[08:52] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: making my head spin just hearing about it :)
[08:53] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: in typical UNIX man style, I don't get much info when I go 'man hdparm'... do you think hdparm saves settings in a persistent way; i.e., does your HD still stay in DMA mode when you restart the 'puter? or wait... it actually flips a bit inside the HD controller?
[08:53] <pvh> What's the name of a panel applet I can use to monitor how full my partitons are?
[08:53] <mebaran151> pauldaoust, nope
[08:53] <mebaran151> you get to set it in hdparm.conf
[08:53] <Atrophy> please peeples...
[08:54] <Atrophy> pull up your repositories lists
[08:54] <Lathiat> Atrophy: What are you looking for?
[08:54] <pauldaoust> pvh: you can use the system monitor applet... it won't tell you directly, but if you right-click the applet, and go 'Open System Monitor', the partitions (and their free space) will be listed on the last tab of the window that pops up.
[08:54] <mebaran151> so if you know what you want to pass
[08:54] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: so it is persistent, through virtue of hdparm.conf?
[08:54] <mebaran151> you just tell hdparm.conf to do it
[08:54] <mebaran151> well you have to write hdparm.conf
[08:54] <lunitik> Atrophy: I'm averaging about 512 down from archive.ubuntu.com... probably not the mirror...
[08:54] <Atrophy> I'm looking for the correct URLs for the default package lists
[08:54] <mebaran151> it is by default all comments
[08:55] <Atrophy> if I use archive.ubuntu.com it says 404
[08:55] <mebaran151> you got uncomment something to ru
[08:55] <mebaran151> n
[08:55] <mebaran151> and get parsed
[08:55] <nitricz> can I get a little help with Unbuntu?
[08:56] <mebaran151> nitricz
[08:56] <mebaran151> as much as we can
[08:56] <lunitik> Atrophy: maybe issue with your apt... even clicking that goes to the site for me  :/
[08:56] <mebaran151> though we arent the greatest guys in the word
[08:56] <nitricz> I'm having a hard time getting it to recognize my processor and my video card
[08:56] <nitricz> any suggestions?
[08:56] <Atrophy> ok... umm what would it be about my apt?
[08:56] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: so yer saying that using the 'hdparm' command only changes settings in your current environment, and the settings disappear unless you also put them into /etc/hdparm.conf?
[08:56] <lunitik> nitricz: what processor? smp?   what video card?
[08:56] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:56] <mebaran151> read the hdparm.conf file
[08:56] <mebaran151> /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:57] <mebaran151> it is good night reading
[08:57] <lunitik> Atrophy: can you click that link and have it work?
[08:57] <mebaran151> comments are pretty well layed out
[08:57] <nitricz> Pentium 4 3.0 ghz 512 cache and Nvidia 5500 AGP 256MB
[08:57] <mebaran151> if you know how to do it from command line
[08:57] <mebaran151> you just basically repeat it there
[08:57] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: you're not kidding. what a bunch of chicken scratches... I've looked through X server configs that were tidier than this :)
[08:57] <Atrophy> and you're right, cause I can ping the place just fine
[08:57] <Atrophy> and I'm on a kvm but yes I can go to that URL on the other computer
[08:57] <lunitik> nitricz: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto for nvidia help
[08:57] <mebaran151> X server configs are NICE man
[08:57] <mebaran151> I mean
[08:57] <lunitik> nitricz: how do you mean its not recognizing your processor though?
[08:57] <mebaran151> compared to most complex config files
[08:58] <mebaran151> the X guys made it pretty
[08:58] <nitricz> it says unknown processor
[08:58] <lunitik> EndGame: cover your mouth damnit
[08:58] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: yeah, actually, to tell the truth I don't see what the big complaint against them are... it's not like they're *shudder* my postfix file, which is a bloody mess
[08:58] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: anyway, thanks so much for all your help; this gives me a lot to go on.
[08:58] <mebaran151> I dont look at my postfix file anymore
[08:58] <mebaran151> last time I did it
[08:58] <lunitik> nitricz: are you getting decent performance?
[08:59] <nitricz> lol it works
[08:59] <mebaran151> burned retinas
[08:59] <nitricz> the GUI is working
[08:59] <mebaran151> four weeks
[08:59] <Atrophy> although if i go to that website I have to go a few directories in before finding the .gz files
[08:59] <Atrophy> I'm gonna fix the URLs to point to that directory
[08:59] <mebaran151> pauladoust, np
[09:00] <mebaran151> the vsftpd is uglier
[09:00] <mebaran151> no curly braces
[09:00] <mebaran151> every file should have at least one curly brace
[09:00] <mebaran151> hopefully two
[09:00] <lunitik> nitricz: I don't think it really matters... cat /proc/cpuinfo though, not listed correctly in there either?
[09:01] <mebaran151> I love XML
[09:01] <mebaran151> why doesnt every package use xml
[09:01] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: heh, yeah. I struggled for weeks myself in postfix, trying to get mail transport working (both so I could use my home computer as my domain's MX server, and so I could test out PHP scripts that used sendmail to send messages)... no joy. I did get it working in Gentoo, but the same config in Ubuntu never worked.
[09:01] <mebaran151> for that kind of config
[09:01] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: I know what you mean... I guess it's because XML parsers are too heavy in most people's eyes
[09:01] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:01] <mebaran151> I guess
[09:02] <mebaran151> postfix aint no anorexic though
[09:02] <pauldaoust> heh
[09:02] <mebaran151> Gaim does it pretty well
[09:02] <mebaran151> I hate gconf
[09:02] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: you do??
[09:02] <mebaran151> gconf is my nightmare registry
[09:02] <mebaran151> I like it in that it is the registry
[09:02] <nitricz> I stand corrected it does have it under cpu info
[09:02] <mebaran151> but it is so windowsy
[09:02] <EndGame> how would ubuntu run as a server?
[09:02] <EndGame> any experience
[09:03] <EndGame> do hippies even run servers?
[09:03] <mebaran151> have you ever done a Debian server
[09:03] <mebaran151> Ubuntu would do fine
[09:03] <EndGame> ah
[09:03] <mebaran151> just do a custom install
[09:03] <EndGame> good
[09:03] <EndGame> very good
[09:03] <mebaran151> strip all the unnecessary garbage
[09:03] <pauldaoust> EndGame: I have it run as a test server at home, and it's wonderful. one problem is I could never get sendmail to work with my PHP scripts.
[09:03] <lunitik> mebaran151: wait, you like it because its a registry... but dislike it because its like windows?
[09:03] <EndGame> can i ssh to the computer during the install, its headless and shoved behind a desk
[09:03] <lunitik> I'm confused
[09:03] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: sorry for coming to you like a little puppy again, but... do I want write caching turned on or off on my hard drive? :P
[09:03] <mebaran151> write caching
[09:03] <mebaran151> haha
[09:03] <mebaran151> nah
[09:03] <pauldaoust> EndGame: hmmmmmmmm... no, the installer doesn't let you SSH
[09:03] <mebaran151> this stuff is weird
[09:04] <Atrophy> ok umm exact URL of someone's apt sources plz
[09:04] <neom> Ubuntu also seems to handle load very well. So it manages quite well in a high load server environment.
[09:04] <EndGame> can i do an automated install
[09:04] <pauldaoust> nah, as in leave it off, or turn it on?
[09:04] <mebaran151> no
[09:04] <EndGame> i mean
[09:04] <mebaran151> turn it on
[09:04] <Atrophy> I'm getting 404 no matter what I put in there
[09:04] <mebaran151> it is good
[09:04] <EndGame> i think ill try it
[09:04] <EndGame> gentoo will take all week to install
[09:04] <lunitik> Atrophy: dude... DEFAULT is 'http://archive.ubuntu.com'
[09:04] <mebaran151> write chaching is very good
[09:04] <EndGame> and i dont have that kinda time
[09:04] <mebaran151> as long as you dont kill it
[09:04] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: kill the computer's power, you mean?
[09:04] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:04] <mebaran151> in 99 percent of history
[09:04] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: eh, I've got a journalling filesystem, should be okay
[09:05] <mebaran151> write caching should be fine
[09:05] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:05] <mebaran151> but write caching can get a tad a lost
[09:05] <Atrophy> default no workie
[09:05] <mebaran151> but you have to time your hammer JUST RIGHT
[09:05] <pauldaoust> and I'm used to Windows, so I think I'll be okay with write caching :)
[09:05] <Atrophy> any idea why?
[09:05] <mebaran151> I hate gconf
[09:05] <mebaran151> just because KDE does it better
[09:05] <mebaran151> it is a fine framework to store settings
[09:05] <lunitik> Atrophy: paste your sources.list to pastebin
[09:05] <mebaran151> but they shoudl build a better gui for a lot of the settings
[09:06] <mebaran151> like every gconf setting should hae an app that would be able to edit it
[09:06] <lunitik> Atrophy: if you have achives.u.o  in there, I get to hurt you, k?  :P
[09:06] <mebaran151> I dont like keys that get caught and never dound again
[09:06] <trust> Hi there =(
[09:06] <pauldaoust> woof, I'm going to bed. I've got my answers, and given some to some other people (let's forget the fact that most of my answers were WRONG ^_^), so I'm happy :)
[09:06] <lunitik> mebaran151: apt-get install gtweakui
[09:07] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: one thing I do like about gconf is that I can turn my typing break proggie on and off simply by changing a gconf key from a cronjob. pretty nice.
[09:07] <mebaran151> heheh
[09:07] <mebaran151> oh nice
[09:07] <mebaran151> gconf is good that way
[09:08] <mebaran151> but I have registry nightmares
[09:08] <pauldaoust> yep. no need to restart a daemon or anything. Just change the key, and the GNOME program will figure out what to do from there.
[09:08] <pauldaoust> funny, I never have. Never had a corrupted hive.
[09:08] <mebaran151> 90 percent of my windows problems
[09:08] <mebaran151> registry bbased
[09:08] <mebaran151> not in gnome
[09:08] <mebaran151> but I had the resgistyr back in Windows 95
[09:08] <caiphn> thoreauputic, tried with another floppy, same thing. :s
[09:08] <mebaran151> small children in Uganda probably starvecd
[09:08] <Atrophy> I don't have archives.u.o in there =-P
[09:08] <pauldaoust> yeah, I know. Windows registry, 95 to XP, I don't think any registry has gone down the tubes.
[09:08] <trust> Ok, my sound was working when I got up. Then I went and had a bath, now my sound doesn't work =|
[09:09] <mebaran151> trust, happened to me
[09:09] <mebaran151> one day it worked
[09:09] <mebaran151> then it didnt
[09:09] <mebaran151> I didnt know why
[09:09] <lunitik> Atrophy: not any more I take it?
[09:09] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: mind you, when registry settings were changed, and it caused Windows to become unbootable...... that's a bloody headache.
[09:09] <mebaran151> ended lup doing a clean install and fix
[09:09] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:09] <monoxide> trust, my sound stopped working when i updated to hoary, and works again now :/
[09:09] <mebaran151> that is why gconf scares me
[09:09] <mebaran151> but luckily
[09:09] <mebaran151> the MAJOR configs
[09:09] <trust> oh wait
[09:09] <trust> that got it
[09:10] <mebaran151> like fstab, xorg.conf, etc
[09:10] <mebaran151> are all just text
[09:10] <trust> almost had a heart attack though =|
[09:10] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: but gconf... it's XML; don't you like it? ;-)
[09:10] <neom> Hula on ubuntu is so cool.
[09:10] <mebaran151> haha
[09:10] <mebaran151> I dont know too much about it
[09:10] <mebaran151> if it is really xml based
[09:10] <mebaran151> then my fears are allayed
[09:10] <mebaran151> I never really took the time to research it
[09:10] <pauldaoust> neom: you got Hula working? any special stuff you needed to do to make it work, or did it work great out of CVS?
[09:11] <mebaran151> as long as I dont need a tool to fix it
[09:11] <mebaran151> other than nano or vim
[09:11] <mebaran151> I think it is good
[09:11] <Atrophy> ok this is bizarre...
[09:11] <pauldaoust> mebaran151: yep, all XML goodness, broken into multiple files and directories, unlike the Windows registry, which is just five big hives.
[09:11] <Atrophy> I figured it out... it was trying to use hoary-updates, which there is no such thing
[09:11] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:11] <Quarupt> anyone know when gaim is adding webcam support?
[09:11] <pauldaoust> neom: I'm thinking of trying it myself.
[09:11] <Atrophy> I told it to use hoary-security and now it works
[09:11] <mebaran151> I never figured out the windows reg stuff at all
[09:11] <mebaran151> I just gave up
[09:11] <Atrophy> stupid synaptic...
[09:11] <mebaran151> isnt like I could rewrite it
[09:11] <mebaran151> Quarupt, as soon as you write the support in
[09:11] <lunitik> Atrophy: comment that line too... its useless at present
[09:12] <mebaran151> XML is nice
[09:12] <neom> pauldaoust - Bar a few dependencies, it ran quite nicely. I've heard a lot of people have problems with it. I didn't find it too bad. I had a few hassles with postfix (eg I forgot to turn it off). But apart from that it was good.
[09:12] <pauldaoust> Quarupt: there are still a lot of dependency issues with gaim's video-and-voice branch, especially with Ubuntu, so it'll be a while yet. Lots of dependencies on SIP libraries and stuff.
[09:12] <Quarupt> well shit its the most active sourceforge project with over 40 people working on it, ya would think it would be there allready
[09:12] <Atrophy> comment what ine?
[09:12] <mebaran151> Quarupt, it is a big thing
[09:12] <EndGame> i want to install ubuntu on a raid array
[09:12] <pauldaoust> neom: ooooooo, you have to turn postfix off?!?
[09:12] <mebaran151> to add to add voice and sound
[09:12] <lunitik> Atrophy: the line stating hoary-security
[09:12] <Atrophy> ahh
[09:13] <neom> pauldaoust - Or use a diffrent port.
[09:13] <pauldaoust> eep. and I got it working (almost the way I like too).
[09:13] <mebaran151> EndGame, what kind of raid
[09:13] <lunitik> Atrophy: it contains _nothing_ at present
[09:13] <Atrophy> I think it's deleted because I changed it using Synaptic
[09:13] <pauldaoust> oh, suppose I could do that, neom
[09:13] <neom> pauldaoust - I just don't use postfix, so I was ok to turn it off.
[09:13] <mebaran151> I recommend Linux software LVM
[09:13] <mebaran151> easy partition management
[09:13] <mebaran151> and the raid in software is very good
[09:13] <Quarupt> why dont they steal it from trillian, its open source isnt it?
[09:13] <Atrophy> anyways I'm gonna go to bed keep it real y'all
[09:13] <pauldaoust> neom: yeah, I have a weird setup with maildirs and an IMAP server on my home computer.
[09:13] <mebaran151> as good as the raid it would use
[09:13] <Atrophy> peace out
[09:13] <mebaran151> peace
[09:13] <neom> pauldaoust - http://home.neom.ca:8080 u: test p: t3st if you want to look around.
[09:14] <pauldaoust> neom: so Hula has its own MTA?
[09:14] <mebaran151> Quarupt, api is probalby different
[09:14] <Quarupt> yea
[09:14] <lunitik> mebaran151: I'm starting to think you are a bot or something
[09:14] <Quarupt> whats gaim in anyways?
[09:14] <lunitik> Quarupt: what do you mean "in"?
[09:14] <mebaran151> Lunitik, I dont think so
[09:14] <mebaran151> what makes you think that
[09:15] <lunitik> mebaran151: you just keep rambling and rambling... can't possibly be a human...  :)
[09:15] <mebaran151> just a nasty habit, sorry Lunitik
[09:15] <pauldaoust> neom: it's so... pretty... hibiscus and gradients and curvy rectangles...
[09:15] <neom> It has it's own MTA, yah.
[09:15] <lunitik> mebaran151: ahh... its cool... just saying  ;)
[09:15] <neom> It rusn netmail eh. The novell backend.
[09:16] <pauldaoust> neom: thanks for the link. I gotta check it out.
[09:16] <pauldaoust> buuuut
[09:16] <pauldaoust> I gotta go beddy
[09:16] <lunitik> neom: afaik, Hula == Netmail... only with public source code....
[09:16] <mebaran151> on to bed
[09:16] <Quarupt> lunitik, Language?
[09:16] <mebaran151> bye
[09:16] <punkass> so from what i have read so far i have xp on my first partition and two more empty partitions for linux (one swap, one root)
[09:16] <lunitik> Quarupt: you are asking what package gaim is in? orrr?
[09:16] <Quarupt> is it python/tkl or maybe c or what?
[09:17] <lunitik> Quarupt: C
[09:17] <Quarupt> okay
[09:17] <Quarupt> loThats what i figured
[09:17] <neom> It's based on the netmail code, it's diffrent though iirc.
[09:17] <punkass> i should just be able to install ubuntu on to the empty partition it will find my xp and add it to grub and all is well?
[09:17] <Quarupt> Is chatzilla any good?
[09:17] <lunitik> Quarupt: no
[09:17] <trust> Quarupt, I prefer xchat
[09:18] <trust> although telnet is a great irc client
[09:18] <lunitik> Quarupt: at least not the one for regular mozilla... firefox plugin looks ok, but never tried it
[09:18] <Quarupt> okay
[09:18] <Quarupt> I am using Xchat
[09:18] <lunitik> trust: not really... lack of security on irc is a bad thing
[09:18] <Quarupt> but i want to change my ctcp replies and when i change em in the app provided it doesnt work
[09:18] <trust> lunitik, =(
[09:19] <trust> lunitik, but it's still good to use =(
[09:19] <Joe2> Hiya people, I got a tecra 8100 laptop, with a USB cable modem, is there any way to get ubuntu to recognise this as an ethernet connection (such as fedora does etc)?
[09:20] <lunitik> Joe2: umm... modprobe your_nic
[09:21] <lunitik> Joe2: Ubuntu doesn't care about the modem, enless its internal, and I've not heard of that
[09:22] <lunitik> Joe2: wait... gah... but hotplug should recognize it... any reason you aren't using a NIC? its a lot faster  :/
[09:23] <Quarupt> theres an IRC plugin for Firefox?
[09:23] <lunitik> Quarupt: yes
[09:23] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: yes, an extension
[09:23] <trust> hm
[09:23] <trust> that reminds me
[09:23] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[09:23] <lunitik> Quarupt: https://addons.update.mozilla.org//extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&id=16
[09:26] <nitricz> quick question
[09:27] <nitricz> can anyone tell me how to install an application such as Unreal Tournament 2004?
[09:27] <Quarupt_> I guess its not that bad
[09:27] <nitricz> it says write permission denied
[09:28] <Quarupt_> kinda bare
[09:28] <Quarupt_> wonder if it has any cool features
[09:28] <nitricz> I did the basic install and then when it went to write the file location file /usr/games it said write permission denied
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> hey when i try installing vmware "./vmware-install.pl" it gives me "Bad interpreter" pleaze help!
[09:30] <Quarupt_> wow you can write left to right
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> Quarupt: who can ?
[09:33] <monoxide> is the ubuntu cd site taking orders for hoary yet?
[09:34] <Joe2> back, had to dash off
[09:34] <Joe2> lunatik, coz my pcmcia nic broke
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> monoxide: yes it is
[09:35] <monoxide> just that it still has the notice about the warty cds up....
[09:37] <monoxide> which cd would you get for an intel 64 bit proccessor?
[09:37] <monoxide> the amd64 cd?
[09:37] <HrdwrBoB> depends what cpu
[09:37] <nitricz> can someone answer a question?
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> nitricz: yes.
[09:38] <nitricz> I did the basic install and then when it went to write the file location file /usr/games it said write permission denied
[09:38] <GammaRay> nitricz: he means no
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> *boomtish*
[09:38] <monoxide> HrdwrBoB, what do you mean?
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> nitricz: yes that's a system location
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> nitricz: you can only write to /tmp and your /home directory etc
[09:38] <GammaRay> monoxide: x86-64 or itanic?
[09:39] <GammaRay> or alpha?
[09:39] <GammaRay> or ...
[09:39] <nitricz> HrdwrBoB, I Just change the directory to /home/games/UT2k4
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> anyone got vmware up and running on hoary ?
[09:39] <monoxide> GammaRay, none yet
[09:40] <HrdwrBoB> monoxide: if none yet, buy an amd64
[09:40] <cafuego> monoxide: The AMD64 stuff won't run on a Titanic; you need an ia64 CD for that.
[09:40] <HrdwrBoB> nitricz: that would be ok if your usernames was 'games'
[09:40] <plx> yes, vmware runs fine on hoary
[09:40] <cafuego> monoxide: The ia64 is frighteningly expensive, though.
[09:40] <HrdwrBoB> nitricz: better off, run the installer with sudo
[09:40] <nitricz> thank you HrdwrBoB
[09:40] <monoxide> cafuego, i was looking at either intel or amd anyway
[09:41] <EndGame> could you just chmod +rwx /usr/games ?
[09:41] <EndGame> maybe
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> EndGame: you could
[09:41] <trust> hm =(
[09:41] <EndGame> if hippies have chmod :-)
[09:41] <cafuego> monoxide: ia64 is intel.
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> sudo installer would be easier
[09:41] <monoxide> cafuego, ohhh...
[09:41] <EndGame> he tried it
[09:41] <trust> There an easy way to go from warty to hoary?
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> trust: yes
[09:42] <cafuego> monoxide: that's designed for enterprise class servers though. get an AMD64, they're cheap, fast and great.
[09:42] <EndGame> you kidding 64 bit is the future across the board
[09:42] <monoxide> cafuego, well then il definently go with amd64 then :P
[09:42] <cafuego> monoxide: I have one and I love it :-)
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> monoxide: if you want everything to work, get an amd64.. and run i386 on it
[09:42] <trust> HrdwrBoB, care to describe it a little for me? =(
[09:42] <plx> how does ipod support work in rhythmbox? can't figure it out.. works with gtkpod only
[09:42] <Myrtti> I guess no-one can still help me with the Citrix-problem?
[09:42] <EndGame> i mean, they're just getting into the desktop market
[09:42] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: nah, just run x86_64 and add a chroot for stuff that's yet to be ported.
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> trust: if you edit the synaptic repository to say 'hoary' instead of 'warty'
[09:42] <EndGame> plx, could you mount the ipod on your filesystem
[09:42] <monoxide> HrdwrBoB, if i wanted to run i386 then i would just use 32bit?
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> then update it
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> you can upgrade to haory packages :)
[09:43] <EndGame> i scsi device? like an external harddrive
[09:43] <trust> HrdwrBoB, wow
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: yeah for games and stuff
[09:43] <trust> HrdwrBoB, that's... highly complicated O_o
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: just more screwing around
[09:43] <plx> yes, i can mount it and even read it with gtkpod. but not with rhythmbox
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> trust: yes :)
[09:43] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: It's trivial with dchroot.
[09:43] <trust> well
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> monoxide: amd64 is backward compatible
[09:43] <trust> I'll set that going before I head out O_o
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: trivial for a moderately exeperienced user
[09:44] <monoxide> HrdwrBoB, i know that, but i386 still only runs at 32bit... so whats the point in buying an amd64?
[09:44] <GammaRay> did I mention 64 bit makes pigs fly?
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> monoxide: because they are fast
[09:44] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Also for a novice, with one or two pointers (which are in the amd64 faq)
[09:44] <monoxide> HrdwrBoB, how much faster?
[09:44] <cafuego> monoxide: An Athlon64 2800+ is a lot faster than an AthlonXP 2800+
[09:44] <da_bon_bon> anyone got vmware up and running on hoary ?
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> orders of magnitude
[09:45] <cafuego> monoxide: Not in cpu clock speed, but certainly in processing power.
[09:45] <monoxide> thatt good? :/
[09:45] <plx> da_bon_bon: yes
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> plx: did u need to compile the kernel module ?
[09:45] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[09:45] <monoxide> how much more expensive though?
[09:45] <Slant> How do I report a bug in something that is in universe?
[09:45] <GammaRay> the 64 bit has nothing todo w/ it.. it's probably the ondie memory controller
[09:45] <plx> yes, you need the kernel sources
[09:45] <cafuego> monoxide: My 1.8GHz AMD64 2800+ can recode video at more than twice the speed my 2.0GHz AthonXP 2400+
[09:46] <monoxide> GammaRay, either way, its still not happening on amd32 bit ;)
[09:46] <cafuego> monoxide: Low end Athlon64s are dirt cheap.
[09:46] <GammaRay> monoxide: some multimedia apps like eggenc do take advantage though
[09:46] <cafuego> monoxide: You should be set for $500 US max
[09:47] <raggedgentleman> how do you restart apache without rebooting?
[09:47] <GammaRay> for the cpu? (-;
[09:47] <cafuego> raggedgentleman: apachectl graceful
[09:47] <monoxide> $500US for a cpu??
[09:47] <cafuego> GammaRay: *thwap* No, that would be intel <heh>
[09:47] <trust> 1193 upgrades -_-
[09:47] <cafuego> monoxide: No, $500 for a system
[09:47] <raggedgentleman> cafuego, thanks!
[09:47] <da_bon_bon> plx: ok... is it mandatory ? can u email me your compiled modules ?
[09:48] <cafuego> monoxide: I built mine for under AU$2000 (but that included 6 DVDRW drives too)
[09:48] <cafuego> raggedgentleman: You *only* ever reboot after you upgrade the kernel.
[09:48] <GammaRay> cafuego: that must be noisy
[09:48] <plx> the vmware_config script will do it for you, it's easy
[09:48] <cafuego> GammaRay: Howso?
[09:48] <monoxide> cafuego, wow...
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> plx: i still need to get the sources, which will take hell long on a 2kbps dnld speed
[09:48] <raggedgentleman> cafuego, hehe =o) yeah thanks hey its accually apache2... that command isnt found
[09:49] <cafuego> monoxide: Cheaper than a 6-drive DVD duplicator <heh>
[09:49] <GammaRay> cafuego: the constant motion of the grinding cds
[09:49] <cafuego> raggedgentleman: apache2ctl then ;-)
[09:49] <cafuego> GammaRay: Nah
[09:49] <cafuego> GammaRay: Can't hear anything over the noise of the SMP P2/300
[09:49] <plx> hm, i see
[09:50] <GammaRay> cafuego: WHAT?
[09:50] <cafuego> GammaRay: Can't hear anything over the noise of the SMP P2/300
[09:50] <monoxide> if i wanted to update to a amd 64 i would need... new cpu, new mobo... anything else?
[09:50] <da_bon_bon> plx: arent headers enoguh ? does vmware have a nice gui ?
[09:50] <cafuego> monoxide: PC3200 DDR ram (but DDR333 works too)
[09:50] <monoxide> should everything else be compatibe provided i get the right mobo?
[09:50] <GammaRay> cafuego: noo I said WHAT?!
[09:50] <cafuego> GammaRay: Oh sorry. WHAT?
[09:50] <GammaRay> cafuego: HUH?
[09:50] <cafuego> GammaRay: HELLO!!!??
[09:51] <GammaRay> cafuego: stay away from my gf!
[09:51] <raggedgentleman> cafuego, yeah cool thanks bud, whats a desent way to monitor traffic and that realtime?
[09:51] <cafuego> GammaRay: I'm sure my wife will make sure of that.
[09:51] <cafuego> raggedgentleman: ntop
[09:52] <plx> da_bon_bon: yes, i think it will work with the headers /usr/src/linux-headers-version/include
[09:52] <cafuego> monoxide: I have an nforce3 based mainboard, which seems to be fully supported and works fine - provided you don't plug in a pci Silicon Image IDE card
[09:52] <cafuego> monoxide: Gigabyte K8NS Pro
[09:52] <monoxide> cafuego, i take it, you had a bad experience with one?
[09:52] <plx> and the gui is fine, gtk
[09:52] <cafuego> monoxide: I think they're probably onto the nforce4 systems by now, you should probably also get the newer socket 939 stuff.
[09:53] <da_bon_bon> plx: ok, thanks...
[09:53] <cafuego> monoxide: When I plugged it in the mobo didn't see ANY hdds. Not on the card, not on the mobo <heh>
[09:53] <monoxide> LOL
[09:53] <cafuego> monoxide: Swapped it over for Promise card and that works fine.
[09:53] <monoxide> i got no money at the moment anyway... im just looking at how much it would cost to get one if i could....
[09:54] <monoxide> *sigh*
[09:54] <cafuego> monoxide: haha, you're in melbourne too <heh>
[09:54] <cafuego> monoxide: Anywhere near the inner city?
[09:54] <monoxide> bout 45min out
[09:55] <monoxide> south east
[09:55] <monoxide> near dandenong
[09:55] <da_bon_bon> plx: does vmware have a gui ?
[09:55] <dazed> how do u screen shot in linux?
[09:55] <cafuego> monoxide: www.cpl.net.au are the cheapest I've found 9that's where I bought my components)
[09:55] <plx> da_bon_bon: yes, sure
[09:56] <cafuego> dazed: 'import -window root foo.png'  (install imagemagick)
[09:56] <cafuego> dazed: See also 'scrot'
[09:56] <cafuego> monoxide: Got an AGP video card?
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> or just  press 'screenshot'
[09:57] <monoxide> cafuego, think so.... :P
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> or go to desktop, take screenshot
[09:57] <monoxide> its an nvidia offboard card so i suppose its agp :P
[09:57] <cafuego> wouldn't be PCIE
[09:58] <monoxide> not anymore anyway...
[09:58] <monoxide> where is notting hill?
[09:58] <cafuego> monoxide: No idea, I'm near the west melbourne one
[09:59] <cafuego> monoxide: around $1000 for a 3200+, Decent mobo and 1 GB ram.
[09:59] <da_bon_bon> anyone getting gzip errors while trying to apt-get update
[10:00] <monoxide> heh... just that thats where it says the clearance stuff is... :P
[10:00] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: No, but I had some md5sum errors.
[10:00] <monoxide> cafuego, its gonna be a while before i see $1000 dollars... :P
[10:00] <monoxide> most likely a long while
[10:00] <cafuego> The moment I see it it's gotta go to the ATO.
[10:01] <aleitner> i just upgraded to the latest hoary and now my use keyboard stopped working. anybody having a similar problem?
[10:02] <cafuego> aleitner: I'd like to tell you, but I can't type...
[10:02] <dazed> www.google.com
[10:02] <aleitner> cafuego: actually, its the external usb keyb on my notebook, so _i_ can still type (;
[10:03] <storm> anyone running eiffel studio on hoary? keeps crashing
[10:04] <aleitner> storm: yes, its a known prob
[10:04] <aleitner> storm: i do have a (rather complex) workaround, though
[10:04] <aleitner> storm: that is you christian, is it ? (;
[10:04] <storm> ah, it you :) hi!
[10:05] <storm> i'm chris.. your thesis student
[10:05] <aleitner> (;
[10:05] <storm> installing gtk 2.4 would mean replacing the newer version, right?
[10:06] <aleitner> storm:so, anyway. you go download gtk and glib, etc 2.4 from source. compile it and install it to some non-std location
[10:06] <aleitner> storm: no, you dont replace anything
[10:06] <storm> ah, ok
[10:06] <aleitner> storm: be sure to set the right pkg-config variables
[10:07] <aleitner> storm: then once installed, you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the non-std lib location
[10:07] <aleitner> storm: then you call estudio with that var set
[10:07] <aleitner> storm: the var now causes estudio to link against gtk 2.4 instead of gtk 2.6
[10:09] <storm> aleitner: ok, i see.. a pretty hard workaround.. maybe i'll try. still runs on my notebook luckily
[10:09] <aleitner> storm: (;
[10:09] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:10] <storm> aleitner: i could use the included gtk-version? there's one in $ISE_EIFFEL/library/gel
[10:11] <dazed> is anyone framilliar with fluxbox?
[10:13] <dazed> is anyone framilliar with fluxbox? i need help
[10:13] <thoreauputic> dazed: what's the problem?
[10:13] <dazed> im trying to set up my background
[10:14] <thoreauputic> fbsetbg
[10:14] <dazed> in the style?
[10:14] <thoreauputic> ah that's different
[10:14] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> you're writing a style?
[10:14] <dazed> where do i put fbestbg?
[10:14] <dazed> no
[10:14] <dazed> im just trying to put a background for the  specific style
[10:14] <dazed> but if i can put one for all styles ill do that
[10:14] <thoreauputic> dazed: you just want to change the bg?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> dazed: for a global bg, look for RootCommand in ~/.fluxbox/init
[10:16] <thoreauputic> and put fbsetbg /path/to/background.png
[10:16] <thoreauputic> on that line
[10:16] <dazed> i did that
[10:16] <dazed> and it didnt work
[10:16] <dazed> hold on
[10:16] <thoreauputic> dazed: for full docs on everything, look at http://fluxbox.org
[10:16] <dazed> i know
[10:16] <thoreauputic> OK
[10:16] <dazed> but its not working is the problem
[10:17] <dazed> i added this line to init
[10:17] <dazed> session.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -l /home/dazed/Backgrounds/ja.png
[10:17] <aleitner> storm: not sure
[10:17] <thoreauputic> dazed: it may be that it isn't set to look in your ~/.fluxbox dir
[10:18] <dazed> well how do i put my backgrounds in my fluxbox dir
[10:18] <thoreauputic> dazed: you might need to locate the global files in /etc/X11/fluxbox or somewhere similar
[10:18] <thoreauputic> I'm in gnome right now
[10:18] <dazed> how do i copy a directory to another directory via term...i did it earlier
[10:19] <oz_> dazed: cp -R source dest
[10:19] <thoreauputic> cp -r /first/dir /second/dir
[10:19] <thoreauputic> yes sorry -R
[10:20] <thoreauputic> or cp -a to retain permissions
[10:20] <caiphn> thoreauputic, I rebooted and looked in naut again.. and the files were there.. in my home directory
[10:20] <thoreauputic> caiphn: ah
[10:20] <thoreauputic> well, that's something
[10:20] <caiphn> thoreauputic, yeah haha
[10:20] <caiphn> :)
[10:20] <thoreauputic> but I bet you cant get at them, right?
[10:21] <thoreauputic> they are still root:root ?
[10:21] <thoreauputic> or you can read them but not write to them?
[10:21] <dazed> still nothing
[10:22] <dazed> this is what it looks like now
[10:22] <dazed> session.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -l ~/Backgrounds/ja.png
[10:22] <caiphn> Read them and not write them.
[10:22] <dazed> cuz i moved backgrounds to .fluxbox
[10:22] <thoreauputic> caiphn: do sudo chown david:david on those files
[10:23] <caiphn> k
[10:23] <jsgotangco> hello
[10:23] <thoreauputic> dazed: as written, your Backgrounds dir is in your home dir
[10:23] <thoreauputic> not .fluxbox
[10:23] <caiphn> thoreauputic, too few arguements.
[10:23] <thoreauputic> oops
[10:24] <dazed> session.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -l /home/dazed/.fluxbox/Backgrounds/ja.png
[10:24] <dazed> how bout that
[10:24] <dazed> cuz that didnt work
[10:24] <thoreauputic> dazed: hang on a tick
[10:24] <thoreauputic> caiphn: sudo chown david:david  yourfile.doc
[10:25] <thoreauputic> dazed: if you get the pathe right and your session is reading from ~/.fluxbox/init it should work
[10:25] <thoreauputic> *path
[10:26] <dazed> well my path is right
[10:26] <dazed> and its not working
[10:26] <dazed> is this right looking to you
[10:26] <dazed> session.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -l /home/dazed/.fluxbox/Backgrounds/ja.png
[10:26] <thoreauputic> dazed: well, my psychic powers are a bit weak at the moment, sorry
[10:27] <thoreauputic> dazed: just a guess: your .xsession or whatever you are using isn't reading the init file in your ~/.fluxbox
[10:27] <Myrtti> goddammit this Citrix
[10:28] <oz_> Is anyone else missing the "seek bar" playing mp3's on Rhythmbox 0.8.8 under hoary? (Ogg is fine...)
[10:28] <dazed> but it is cuz it reads my custom menu which i added to the init
[10:28] <caiphn> thoreauputic, thank saint christmas is worked
[10:29] <thoreauputic> dazed: my point being, I can't debug your setup from half way around the world
[10:29] <dazed> i understand
[10:29] <dazed> just trying to get it figured out
[10:29] <thoreauputic> dazed: sure
[10:30] <thoreauputic> caiphn: you have access now ??  !!!!
[10:30] <caiphn> thoreauputic, haha yeah !! It is indeed a breakthrough!
[10:31] <thoreauputic> sorry about the multiple ! but hey...
[10:31] <thoreauputic> caiphn: w00t
[10:31] <caiphn> Definate w00t! Again, thanks for all the help
[10:31] <thoreauputic> caiphn: I still think your floppy config is stuffed somehow though
[10:32] <thoreauputic> caiphn: but at least you have something to work with...
[10:32] <caiphn> Yeah, I needed these files now, so that's my main concern.
[10:32] <thoreauputic> caiphn: sure
[10:33] <caiphn> My next project is trying to network to another machine.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> caiphn: heh - that's always a fun project
[10:33] <caiphn> Maybe I'll leave that one 'til my day off.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> good idea
[10:34] <thoreauputic> samba or nfs?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> windows machine I guess?
[10:34] <caiphn> *nod*
[10:34] <thoreauputic> samba then
[10:34] <caiphn> Windows XP.. connected via wireless router
[10:35] <thoreauputic> nfs here, all linux
[10:37] <caiphn> Yeah well, with the difficulty that just occured with the whole floppy scenario, I can just imagine what kind of .. interesting events will occur with networking
[10:39] <thoreauputic> caiphn: well, your floppy struggle wasn't a typical problem
[10:39] <thoreauputic> usually floppies work pretty well
[10:40] <thoreauputic> that is assuming the floppies are OK themselves
[10:40] <caiphn> *nod*
[10:40] <thoreauputic> these days a major assumption...
[10:41] <thoreauputic> :/
[10:44] <caiphn> I think what I really gotta do is figure out bash commands so I don't feel so helpless..
[10:44] <caiphn> Should I be picking up a book or something? Every internet resource I find seems either too basic or too complex for me.
[10:47] <caiphn> Well, I'm gonna call 'er a night.
[10:47] <thoreauputic> monoxide: ah, but you probably don't have friends who put their university assignments on floppies...
[10:47] <jsgotangco> floppies :(
[10:48] <thoreauputic> TomArayaAsleep: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/shortcuts.html
[10:48] <monoxide> thoreauputic, email is a wonderful thing ;)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> assuming you're still awake
[10:48] <thoreauputic> monoxide: I agree - but they don't ;)
[10:49] <myfilika> hi
[10:49] <welly> hi guys, can you upgrade to hoary using synaptic?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> monoxide: we're talking fairly clueless computer users here
[10:49] <monoxide> hehe
[10:49] <thoreauputic> welly: yes
[10:49] <monoxide> well screw them then.... tell them you got a new computer and it doesnt have a floppy drive ;)
[10:50] <welly> ok.. do i need uncomment some of the lines as it doesn't appear when i do a search for hoary
[10:50] <thoreauputic> monoxide: hehe
[10:50] <thoreauputic> monoxide: but they are rather attractive, you see... ;)
[10:51] <monoxide> LOL
[10:51] <thoreauputic> welly: you need to change all sources to read hoary instead of warty, then reload
[10:51] <zeeble> anyone got pointers for enabling shadows adn transparency in xorg? just installed it.
[10:51] <welly> oh ok.. how do i do that?
[10:51] <monoxide> thoreauputic, well definently screw them then.... ;)
[10:51] <welly> oh sorry, i get you
[10:51] <thoreauputic> monoxide: now now ... "this is a family channel"  ;-)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[10:52] <monoxide> ok ok ok...
[10:52] <monoxide> but how many people <18yo would be using linux....
[10:52] <monoxide> oh thats right... me!...
[10:52] <monoxide> :P
[10:53] <thoreauputic> haha
[10:53] <thoreauputic> and thousands of others I'd say
[10:53] <monoxide> possibly
[10:54] <Myrtti> you kids
[10:54] <monoxide> but i really wouldnt trust many people <16 with my config files... :P
[10:54] <Jug_> hah :)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> monoxide: I wouldn't trust *anybody* with my config files
[10:54] <monoxide> and proud of it
[10:55] <Myrtti> or should I say, you men
[10:55] <monoxide> lol true thoreauputic
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: well, we are only necessary for breeding you know: useless for all other purposes ;-)
[10:56] <welly> sorry, which is the file i need to change to enable the other repositories?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> welly: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <Myrtti> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <fred_> hello, anyone can tell me where to put commands to be executed on startup, (couldnt find /etc/rc.local)
[10:56] <welly> thanks
[10:56] <thoreauputic> fred_: not surprising, as there isn't one ;)
[10:57] <thoreauputic> fred_: there are several ways
[10:57] <fred_> yes :) but is there another or should I simply create it ?
[10:57] <monoxide> thoreauputic, breeding and money.
[10:57] <monoxide> anyway im going
[10:57] <monoxide> goodnight everyone
[10:57] <maLKoc> t.y monoxide
[10:57] <Myrtti> money is irrelevant
[10:57] <Myrtti> sex is everything
[10:57] <thoreauputic> fred_: the "correct" way is to put a script in /etc/init.d and then use update-rc.d
[10:58] <maLKoc> hello my friends.
[10:58] <fred_> thanks tho.
[10:58] <thoreauputic> fred_: the easy way is to put commands in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[10:58] <thoreauputic> but that's "deprecated"
[10:59] <fred_> ok thx again then
[10:59] <maLKoc> i do not listen mp3 file under ubuntu.
[10:59] <jsgotangco> why not?
[10:59] <monoxide> Myrtti, spoken like a true nerd ;)
[10:59] <maLKoc> it's want to plug-in
[10:59] <maLKoc> ?
[10:59] <jsgotangco> then download the plugin
[10:59] <maLKoc> where is the plug-in?
[10:59] <maLKoc> :)
[11:00] <jsgotangco> have you changed your apt repositories?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:00] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: then you can play mp3 in the rhythmbox music player
[11:00] <raggedgentleman> how do you add a start script to your rc's?
[11:01] <zeeble> raggedgentleman: man update-rc.d
[11:01] <raggedgentleman> zeeble, ahh thanks bud
[11:01] <maLKoc> hmm.
[11:01] <raggedgentleman> zeeble, didn't know you had to run something....
[11:02] <raggedgentleman> zeeble, gotta a little mess to clean up =o)
[11:02] <zeeble> good luck.
[11:02] <raggedgentleman> zeeble, well thank you sir! ;)
[11:03] <maLKoc> i want to install new programs for my ubuntu system.
[11:03] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:03] <maLKoc> ok.
[11:03] <raggedgentleman> maLKoc, ubuntuguide.org have you been here?
[11:04] <jsgotangco> that's a neat site
[11:04] <thoreauputic> good guide, but maybe not for complete newbies
[11:04] <jsgotangco> you didn't ask for cds to be shipped?
[11:04] <jsgotangco> true
[11:05] <jsgotangco> but i can say that ubuntu did boost my linux knowledge tremendously
[11:05] <jsgotangco> like from zero to hero
[11:05] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:05] <zeeble> jsgotangco: yeah, i did. but gave them away. but i got a new laptop, so looking forward to a fresh distro, fresh install.
[11:05] <raggedgentleman> yay mee too! =oP
[11:05] <thoreauputic> sure - but some people find the CLI very intimidating
[11:05] <raggedgentleman> CLI?
[11:06] <thoreauputic> command line interface
[11:06] <Skid> hi, I've got an adaptec ultra wifi pcmcia card, which I can't get working, even with ndiswrapper.. its the prism (2.5) chipset i think, anyone got any links / ideas? I've googled, andposted on the forums
[11:06] <jsgotangco> yeah especially those who didnt go into DOS back then
[11:06] <EndGame> does ubuntu have a packages database or something?
[11:06] <Skid> command line internface
[11:06] <Skid> -n
[11:06] <EndGame> i get the whole apt-get install gig
[11:06] <raggedgentleman> but hes our friend
[11:06] <EndGame> but um
[11:06] <maLKoc> thoreauputic: i don't have internet connection.I want to install programs from cd or hdd
[11:06] <maLKoc> ?
[11:06] <jsgotangco> hey Skid
[11:06] <EndGame> i dont know what to apt-get install
[11:06] <Skid> hi
[11:06] <thoreauputic> EndGame: browse in synaptic, or use apt-cache search
[11:06] <jsgotangco> i just got ndiswrapper working today but a different chipset
[11:07] <EndGame> thank you
[11:07] <Skid> well, it's in
[11:07] <thoreauputic> EndGame: apt-cache search <keyword>
[11:07] <Skid> but apparantly no hardware is detected
[11:07] <raggedgentleman> we cant get along with out that little guy yet and i hope it stopps being that way!
[11:07] <jsgotangco> even after dmseg?
[11:07] <Skid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17687 is the url
[11:07] <Skid> ndiswrapper says no hardware detected
[11:07] <jsgotangco> lemme check
[11:08] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: if you don't have internet I assume you are here on another operating system?
[11:08] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: what is the problem connecting with Ubuntu?
[11:09] <Skid> ndiswrapper is loaded, if I grep through dmesd
[11:09] <Skid> dmesg even
[11:09] <maLKoc> i am connecting from office under win98
[11:09] <maLKoc> but i use ubuntu from home
[11:09] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: the CLI isn't going away - it's too powerful
[11:09] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: especially scripting
[11:09] <raggedgentleman> i hope your right!
[11:10] <raggedgentleman> yeah this is true but noobs need it too!
[11:10] <jsgotangco> the wonders of apt wont make the CLI obsolete
[11:10] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: ubuntu is much better when  you are networked: that's how you get a lot of programs
[11:10] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: trying to download packages will just be frustrating
[11:11] <jsgotangco> not to mention dependy checks on manually installing them
[11:11] <maLKoc> hmm okay.
[11:11] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: with apt or synaptic installing is very easy
[11:12] <jsgotangco> Skid hold on, firefox is acting up
[11:12] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:12] <EndGame> and can i make this synaptic search other repositories
[11:12] <Skid> :) ok
[11:13] <Skid> hmph the forums have gone really slow
[11:13] <thoreauputic> EndGame: add repositories under settings >> repositories, then reload
[11:13] <thoreauputic> EndGame: or edit /etc/apt/source.list
[11:13] <thoreauputic> *sources.list
[11:13] <jsgotangco> hmmm i get connection errors to the forums and the wiki
[11:13] <EndGame> what repositories should i add.
[11:13] <Skid> same here
[11:13] <EndGame> i would check the ubuntu site
[11:13] <jsgotangco> somethings wrong
[11:13] <EndGame> but i cant seem to get on it
[11:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: depends what you need
[11:14] <EndGame> everything i can get
[11:14] <Skid> ah. works now
[11:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: start with universe
[11:14] <EndGame> whats the address?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: you can add others later if you wish
[11:15] <Skid> EndGame: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[11:15] <thoreauputic> EndGame: it isn't an address: you enable the repo in synaptic under settings
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i still cant connect :(
[11:15] <Skid> strange
[11:15] <Skid> it's working fine now
[11:15] <thoreauputic> EndGame: or in /etc/apt/sources.list if you sre comfortable editing files
[11:15] <Skid> (here)
[11:16] <jsgotangco> ah there you go
[11:16] <gilles> if i install ubuntu, will it recognize and configure automatically my large screen and my mobility radeon 9600 ?
[11:16] <Skid> hmm, how odd.. xchat on my laptop is different than on my pc with universe
[11:16] <Skid> its all white on my pc, but black on my laptop
[11:17] <maLKoc> apt :)
[11:17] <jsgotangco> heh i can't connect to the wiki i dont remember anything i did with ndiswrapper
[11:17] <thoreauputic> Skid: that's easily changed
[11:18] <maLKoc> i have some programs
[11:18] <maLKoc> but i don't install
[11:18] <mikael_> what kind of programs
[11:19] <Skid> yeah, gonna add some backports now
[11:19] <Skid> it's probably in there
[11:19] <Skid> can't remmeber what I set my pc's sources as
[11:20] <Skid> yay
[11:20] <Skid> its in backports :)
[11:22] <Skid> on another note, have any of you got FAM working correctly with gnome?
[11:22] <Skid> I had it spot on in gentoo, but it doesn't like ubuntu :)
[11:22] <Skid> and I hate having to restart x, or login/out etc
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> Skwid_: hoary uses gamin
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> which is a lot better
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> but fam should be working 'correctly' out of hte box
[11:25] <Skwid_> ?
[11:27] <Skid> Skwid_: he meant to type Skid
[11:27] <Skid> :)
[11:27] <Skid> HrdwrBoB: it doesn't though, i.e. for gnome-menu
[11:27] <Skwid_> Skid: oh:)
[11:27] <Skid> it won't update :)
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> Skwid_: oh! hah, sorry I didn't even notice :)
[11:27] <Skid> when I install a new application
[11:27] <Skid> hehe
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Skid: that's not a FAM issue
[11:28] <Skid> is it notA?
[11:28] <Skid> -a
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Skid: it's because ubuntu doesn't use the debian menu system
[11:28] <Skid> I had famd runing
[11:28] <Skid> ooh
[11:28] <Skid> well, hmph :P
[11:28] <Skid> is there a work-around?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> you can install the "menu" package, and run update-menus
[11:29] <thoreauputic> I haven't tried it - I just do it manually
[11:29] <Skid> is there a way to enable the debian menus too ?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> I think in hoary you can
[11:29] <thoreauputic> I have warty here
[11:30] <Skid> I'd pref to get my wifi up and running before moving over to hoary
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Skid: in warty, type ctrl-L in nautilus, then applications:/// , and put your luchers where you want them - they show up in the menu
[11:31] <thoreauputic> *launchers
[11:31] <thoreauputic> can't type :(
[11:31] <Skid> yeah
[11:32] <Skid> but i'd just like it automatically
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Skid: sudo apt-get install menu && man update-menus
[11:33] <Skid> yeah, I'm looking through the manpage now
[11:34] <EricNeon> 888
[11:37] <jsgotangco> is anyone checking out the wiki now? i can't seem to get into it at all
[11:39] <Skid> the wiki is down here, but forums are back up
[11:39] <Jae> Hiya!
[11:39] <Jae> Anyone around that knows much about drivers and what not?
[11:40] <Skid> grr, backports @ sf is sooooooo slow today
[11:40] <Lathiat> JaeRune: what do you need to know
[11:40] <Lathiat> skid: since when is SF ever fast? :0
[11:40] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:40] <Lathiat> id hate to see the bandwidth that site uses
[11:41] <Lathiat> including mirrors
[11:41] <Lathiat> wouldn't mind getting my hands on some of that hardware though :)
[11:41] <Skid> its normally fast for me, seeing as I reach most of them by peering
[11:42] <JaeRune> Well, my computer has two sound cards. One is the default on-board I'm no longer using and have summarily disabled in the BIOS. The second is my SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 that's in a PCI slot. Ubuntu has picked up the drivers for both and made the useless on-board my default. Any way to change that and/or remove it's knowledge of the on-board?
[11:42] <Lathiat> JaeRune: you could add its mdoule to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:42] <Lathiat> we really need some way of setting the default card
[11:42] <JaeRune> That would really help, yeah.
[11:42] <JaeRune> Same thing with graphics cards.
[11:43] <JaeRune> It's got the right idea "You have an nVidia". Bully. But it's given me generic nVidia drivers. nVidia lets me compile drivers for it in recovery mode, but then I don't know how to tell Ub to use my drivers instead.
[11:43] <Skid> hm, how do people get like completely transparaent terminals? so it looks as if some ls output or whatever is on the desktop?
[11:43] <Lathiat> ubuntu includes nvidia drivers in packages
[11:44] <Lathiat> you need the nvidia-glx package, and then make sure you have the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel version
[11:44] <Lathiat> and then just change your Xorg conf to use nvidia
[11:44] <JaeRune> Okay.
[11:44] <thoreauputic> Skid: aterm -tr +sb -fg white -bg black -sh 95  (as an example)
[11:45] <jsgotangco> see you later folks!
[11:46] <Skid> thoreauputic: yes, but I mean menu less
[11:47] <Skid> i.e. no title bar, or anything
[11:47] <Skid> i'll try and find a screenshot
[11:47] <thoreauputic> root-tail
[11:47] <thoreauputic> I think it's called
[11:47] <thoreauputic> or in fluxbox, you can toggle the window decorations off
[11:48] <gilles> the ubuntu install worked :D
[11:48] <gilles> how do i update my new system ?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Skid: root-tail is in universe
[11:48] <Skid> root-tail is for log files, no ?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Skid: yes
[11:49] <Skid> Description: Displays select log files in the X root window
[11:49] <Skid>  Root-tail, is a program that displays one or more log files,
[11:49] <Skid>  on the X root window, through the use of transparent windows.
[11:49] <JaeRune> Okay. I give up. Where's Xorg.conf located?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Skid: toggling window decorations can achieve the same effect for a whole terminal
[11:49] <thoreauputic> JaeRune: /etc/X11
[11:50] <Skid> yeah, where can I toggle - theme managers?
[11:50] <welly> alright guys, is there any documentation anywhere on customising gnome? simple things like putting the trashcan on the desktop.. i can't seem to find anything.. just looking for a noobs guide to gnome really
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Skid: in gnome, I don' t know. In fluxbox, you set a key combo in ~/,fluxbox/keys
[11:51] <Skid> okay, i'll google
[11:51] <gurran> Hi ppl
[11:52] <gurran> i have searched for  a way to setup my apache2 server but its impossible to find :S anyone here that knows who to do it ?
[11:53] <sharke> hi all
[11:53] <gurran> hi
[11:53] <welly> ok found something :)
[11:53] <Skid> gurran: have you looked at the docs on apache.httpd.org ?
[11:54] <JaeRune> I guess I'd edit XF86Config-4?
[11:54] <nitricz> hey guys can someone answer a question for me?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> gurran: umm... googling "apache configuration linux" brings up 1.5 million hits...
[11:54] <Myrtti> not if you don't ask it first
[11:54] <raghu> JaeRune: some X problem?
[11:54] <gilles> does ubuntu use fam or gamin ?
[11:55] <Myrtti> and besides, that was a question already
[11:55] <gurran> no i have just googled but i looked at some forums and they said that it's no way to find anything in the apache doc's becouse ubuntu has a diffrent way or something..
[11:55] <nitricz> I just got penggy and I can't figure out how to make it work
[11:56] <thoreauputic> gurran try "apache configuration debian" then - it will be similar
[11:56] <JaeRune> Rag - Need to set it to use the right drivers for my nVidia.
[11:56] <woodywarty> heu all
[11:57] <JaeRune> raghu: see previous comment. :D
[11:57] <gurran> but debian has'nt root restirction has it ?
[11:57] <gurran> i will do that but i really need this to work and if the debian config is wrong im going to get really confused..
[11:57] <thoreauputic> gurran: there's no essential difference between using sudo and root: to get a root shell you can use sudo -s
[11:58] <gurran> okaay thx
[11:58] <raghu> JaeRune: sory i cant search...if you give one def i can see
[11:58] <thoreauputic> gurran: or you can set a root password with sudo passwd root
[11:58] <JaeRune> raghu: how's that?
[11:58] <gilles> i can't find the package scim in ubuntu.... why ?
[11:58] <gurran> that i will try
[11:58] <raghu> JaeRune: problem:hint
[11:58] <gilles> i need it to be able to write in chinese
[11:58] <nitricz> anyone have advice for a dialer, penggy I can't figure out
[11:58] <nitricz> I need to dial into aol
[11:58] <thoreauputic> gurran: the man page is always a good idea too....
[11:59] <gurran> i know
[11:59] <JaeRune> Oh.
[11:59] <gurran> u see i have installed the server but i cant write in "var/www/apache-defult"..
[12:00] <JaeRune> I have an nVidia card and the system isn't using it for 3D capabilities. It just uses software mode.
[12:00] <thoreauputic> gurran: you can write anywhere you like
[12:00] <gurran> and i have try'd "sudo chmod +rw /var/www/apache-deafult"
[12:00] <gurran> hmm who ? for now im afraid noy
[12:00] <gurran> not*
[12:01] <gurran> but im going to try figure it out thanks for the help
[12:01] <thoreauputic> gurran: you need to know the right user/group I'd say
[12:01] <gurran> im a member in all my groups =D
[12:02] <JaeRune> raghu: I have an nVidia card and the system isn't using it for 3D capabilities. It just uses software mode.
[12:02] <woodywarty> Can somebody help me. I am having trouble browsing my Local Area Network from Nautilus
[12:03] <gurran> just one more question i have used "passwd root" now, so can i login as root now ?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> gurran: http://www.aboutdebian.com/internet.htm
[12:03] <thoreauputic> and yes
[12:04] <thoreauputic> but you should use su, not log in as root
[12:04] <thoreauputic> and never run gui as root
[12:04] <gurran> hmm okaay
[12:04] <scizzo> gurran: you should only use root when necessary
[12:04] <gurran> thanks guys
[12:05] <Cym> hello
[12:05] <gurran> i think it's necsseary now..
[12:05] <woodywarty> I get the Error:  "smb://192.168.11.55" is not a valid location in Nautilus
[12:05] <scizzo> gurran: well use sudo
[12:05] <scizzo> gurran: sudo -s -H
[12:05] <gurran> okaay
[12:05] <scizzo> gurran: in a terminal...type your password and then start using that terminal or look at gksu
[12:06] <gurran> whats hksu
[12:06] <Funraiser> I found something really strange on the installation of Ubuntu, which i did 3 times already: unless i don't to set/change/enable root user password with "sudo passwd root" i can't shutdown ! I can't either restart gnome with Ctrl ALt Backspace. BUt if i do the "sudo passwd root" command, then everything works fine...weird isn't it?
[12:06] <scizzo> gurran: but never use the root user as a normal user...
[12:06] <thoreauputic> gurran: gdm by default forbids gui login by root (for excellent reasons)
[12:06] <scizzo> gurran: gksu - a Gtk+ su frontend
[12:07] <woodywarty> Somebody here has any ideas why I can't browse my LAN
[12:07] <woodywarty>  get the Error:  "smb://192.168.11.55" is not a valid location in Nautilus
[12:07] <thoreauputic> gurran: are you sure you're ready to run a server? You seem a bit confused...
[12:07] <gurran> cant i just temporary enable root as gui
[12:07] <gurran> iam counfused after all these years running windows
[12:07] <thoreauputic> gurran: all experience is against it
[12:08] <scizzo> gurran: look...first open a terminal and sudo -s -H
[12:08] <gurran> but i need some servers..
[12:08] <scizzo> gurran: then run the application you want from that terminal
[12:08] <gurran> i just did that but nothing happend
[12:08] <gurran> okaay
[12:08] <Skid> thoreauputic: ah, I've found it with eterm you can use --buttonbar=0 and -x
[12:08] <Skid> for future ref
[12:08] <Skid> :)
[12:08] <gurran> i dont know what app i want to run thats the problem..
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Skid: OK thanks
[12:08] <Skid> shame about the crap fonts though
[12:08] <Funraiser> nobody had shutdown problems here?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Skid: I'd rather use fluxbox and aterm :)
[12:09] <Skid> yeah, I like gnome.. can't stray from it
[12:09] <scizzo> gurran: if you don't know that then why would you need root as a gui user?
[12:09] <scizzo> gurran: what exactly is it that you want to do?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> gurran: I really don't think you're ready to run a *nix server
[12:09] <Skid> thoreauputic: canI see a screenie of your desktop, if its not much hassle?
[12:09] <maLKoc> i want to install a deb file :(
[12:09] <gurran> but ppl i dont want to take your time but i need to write some in the var/ww/apache-deafult
[12:09] <maLKoc> but i don't do.
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Skid: I'm in gnome atm :)
[12:10] <Skid> ah
[12:10] <Skid> :)
[12:10] <gurran> maybe im not but im going to do it anyway :)
[12:10] <JaeRune> Is it just me or is ubuntulinux.org down right now?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Skid: so I can't easily show you my flux setup
[12:10] <Funraiser> it's u , it's not down
[12:11] <thoreauputic> gurran: OK well at last *don't* run GUI as root, and read up on firewalls
[12:11] <Funraiser> JaeRune did u disable IPv6?
[12:12] <gilles> i How to install the package "scim" on warty (it's not in the list of packages)
[12:13] <JaeRune> Funraiser: No...
[12:13] <gurran> ok
[12:13] <Funraiser> Do it ,it will load your pages a lot faster
[12:13] <JaeRune> What would I use to burn a CD? Ubuntu seems to lack a lot of stuff on initial install.
[12:14] <thoreauputic> gilles: it's in the universe repository
[12:14] <scizzo> JaeRune: cdrecord?
[12:14] <scizzo> if you are burning a ISO you can use the nautilus burner
[12:15] <selinium_> Hi all, I am trying to install a driver for my tv card. It calls up the file-roller. As a newbie I don't konw what to do with it!
[12:15] <JaeRune> Okay...
[12:15] <JaeRune> Nautilus...
[12:16] <gilles> thoreauputic: okay, i found that on the net... but what's this "universe repository", why isn't it just in the apt source list ?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> selinium_: is the file a  .tar.gz ?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> gilles: because it consists of "unsupported" packages
[12:16] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Yep (fancy meeting you again!)
[12:17] <thoreauputic> selinium_: to untar it, do  tar xvzf <filename>
[12:17] <thoreauputic> gilles: you can add it in synaptic under settings >> repositories
[12:18] <thoreauputic> or in /etc/apt/sources.list by uncommenting it
[12:18] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Do i download it first then?
[12:18] <selinium_> thoreauputic: When i tried before it just opened it in the file roller
[12:19] <thoreauputic> selinium_: yes, downoad it to somewhere comfortable like your homw directory, then do the command on it in a terminal
[12:19] <thoreauputic> selinium_: the file roller can do the same thing
[12:20] <thoreauputic> selinium_: it just "unzips" it (or untars it if you prefer)
[12:20] <thoreauputic> "extract here" is the same deal from the context menu
[12:20] <thoreauputic> (right click)
[12:21] <gilles> thoreauputic: great...
[12:21] <thoreauputic> gilles: don't forget to reload, by the way - or sudo apt-get update
[12:22] <gilles> yes, i'll use synaptics instead of apt-get...
[12:22] <thoreauputic> OK
[12:23] <gilles> i have to get used to such easy to use applications, 'cause, i'm gonna install ubuntu on many many computers now that i know it works very well
[12:24] <thoreauputic> gilles: in the end, you might find it's quicker to type a command sometimes
[12:24] <thoreauputic> gilles: also if you are using many machines, scripts can save a lot of time
[12:25] <selinium_> thoreauputic: I have done the xvzf thing. Is that it?
[12:25] <gilles> i know, but i'll have to teach people that don't know a lot about computers
[12:25] <thoreauputic> selinium_: you should now have a directory with the stuff in it. Read the INSTALL or README files
[12:25] <thoreauputic> if they exist...
[12:26] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Ok, will do
[12:26] <thoreauputic> else follow the instructions (if all else fails *grin*)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> OK, getting late here. See you all another day.... :)
[12:30] <jesus\> jesus@jesusdesk:~$ uname -a
[12:30] <jesus\> Linux jesusdesk 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Fri Feb 25 05:15:55 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:30] <jesus\> shouldn't I have a -586 kernel? (I have a P IV)
[12:33] <huliganz> hmm
[12:33] <Tomcat_> Can anybody tell me where the ipw2200 driver is in Ubuntu?
[12:33] <Tomcat_> It's not in the restricted-modules package...
[12:33] <huliganz> does www.ubuntulinux.org is UP ?
[12:33] <Tomcat_> huliganz: Negative for me
[12:34] <huliganz> ehh
[12:36] <selinium_> thoreauputic: What do i do with this? 'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree' not being that good at the file structure yet! :)
[12:37] <selinium_> What do i do with this command? 'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree' not being that good at the file structure yet! :)
[12:39] <Tomcat_> Mh.. okay I found the ipw2200 stuff...
[12:39] <Tomcat_> But how can they call the kernel image free if they're packaging the ipw2200 firmware with it?
[12:40] <gilles> Why is it that when i check on the net, scim is version 1.0.2-2 in ubuntu universe, but when i install it in my warty, it installs the old 0.9.7 ?
[12:40] <Tomcat_> gilles: Where on the net does it say the former?
[12:41] <gilles> Tomcat_: it's with synaptics that it installs the former
[12:41] <Tomcat_> gilles: Please read my question again. :)
[12:41] <gilles> but on the net (http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/utils/scim) it says the newer
[12:41] <Tomcat_> gilles: What release do you have? warty I guess?
[12:41] <gilles> yes
[12:42] <Tomcat_> gilles: Because the website you gave is for hoary, the next release.
[12:42] <Tomcat_> [ Distribution: hoary ]  [ Section: utils ] 
[12:42] <gilles> okay, then i don't want to use warty anymore...
[12:42] <gilles> is it taking big risks to install hoary ?
[12:42] <gilles> or does it also just works like warty ?
[12:43] <gilles> i mean "just works"
[12:44] <Tomcat_> gilles: warty is still in development... you are taking a huge risk already installing it.
[12:44] <Tomcat_> gilles: Eh.. make that hoary.
[12:45] <selinium_> gilles: I have just switch from warty to hoary and have found no problems. (my two penneth worth)
[12:45] <Tomcat_> gilles: Packages might break, applications might crash, the system might not work. It might also work well, but nobody can guarantee that.
[12:45] <fgx> selinium_, laptop or desktop?
[12:46] <Tomcat_> gilles: If you only need scim sometimes, you might want to try the hoary LiveCD.
[12:46] <selinium_> fgx: desktop. an old athlon 900 based machine
[12:46] <gilles> Tomcat_: i don't want to use LiveCD... actually, i'm just fed up of debian "testing"
[12:47] <fgx> selinium_, do you have new features? which one?
[12:47] <Tomcat_> gilles: You can see if there's a hoary backport to warty of scim. Or you can compile it yourself.
[12:48] <selinium_> fgx: I am fairly new to linux. About 2 weeks now. If you tell me how to get info i will look
[12:48] <fgx> selinium_, all hardware has been detected at install?
[12:48] <gilles> Tomcat_: i'm not gonna compile anything... if you tell me that hoary is stable enough, then i'll reinstall ubuntu with hoary
[12:49] <Tomcat_> gilles: Hoary is *not* stable enough. The question is if you absolutely need the new version of scim, and how you can get it in warty.
[12:49] <selinium_> fgx: yep including old tv card which i am trying to install drivers for. Only i dont know the file structure weell enough!
[12:50] <selinium_> fgx: the only thing i needed to do was install Nvidia drivers
[12:50] <selinium_> Does anyone know how this translates on Ubuntu?  'make KDIR=/path/to/kernel/source/tree'
[12:53] <gilles> Tomcat_: does it take a lot of time for packages to go from hoary to warty ? All packages look quite old in warty, like fontforge : june 2004 for warty, and december 2004 for hoary
[12:54] <Tomcat_> gilles: warty only gets security updates, no new packages. Except backports, but those are unofficial.
[12:54] <gilles> Tomcat_: if hoary is equivalent to testing, i'd prefer to use hoary than warty
[12:54] <Tomcat_> gilles: 2nd half of 2004 is *not* old. :)
[12:54] <KING^^^> hello all , please help me someone , my music runs too fast , in XMMS in XINE in everything , how can i fix it ?
[12:54] <Tomcat_> gilles: hoary is equivalent to unstable, not testing. warty is testing.
[12:55] <gilles> Tomecat_: so when packages are renewed in warty ?
[12:55] <gilles> Tomecat_: only every 6 months ?
[12:55] <Tomcat_> gilles: Again... warty packages are *not* renewed... they only get security updates.
[12:56] <AlfaWolph> if i install warty now will it be easy to upgrade to hoary
[12:56] <gilles> Tomcat_: and will never be renewed ?
[12:56] <Tomcat_> gilles: Exactly. The usual thing you'd do is to switch to hoary in April, when it's final. Then you get new packages.
[12:56] <welly> alfawolph, yes.. dead easy
[12:57] <AlfaWolph> then i'll just wait :)
[12:57] <welly> :)
[12:57] <gilles> Tomcat_: okay, then for me, warty is equivalent to a stable (but with newer packages), and hoary to testing then
[12:58] <welly> i'm trying out hoary under vmware at the moment.. i've got a warty install at home which i'm going to keep until hoary is released properly
[12:58] <KING^^^> nobody can helo me ?
[12:58] <Tomcat_> gilles: testing is stable and will usually not break though... while hoary can break any time.
[12:58] <gilles> Tomcat_: also, i prefer to install hoary, it will just be a little bit unsable until april, then it will be, isn't it ?
[12:59] <Tomcat_> gilles: Sure, you can install it... just be sure that it *might* break.
[12:59] <gilles> Tomcat_: after april, it won't break ?
[01:00] <AlfaWolph> hehehe
[01:00] <AlfaWolph> ah such is life
[01:00] <welly> i would you could say it'll "never" break.. but it'll be stable
[01:00] <Tomcat_> gilles: It shouldn't. :)
[01:00] <AlfaWolph> there's never any guarantees :)
[01:01] <Tomcat_> gilles: See: Hoary is in development now. That means the developers are changing packages any day, and that's what can make it break. After April, hoary won't be changed except for security updates, like warty now.
[01:03] <gilles> Tomcat_: okay, i begin to understand, so every 6 months, ubuntu users can switch to newer stable ubuntu, isn't it ?
[01:03] <Tomcat_> gilles: Yes, exactly.
[01:04] <Tomcat_> gilles: So my suggestion is: Stick to the packages you get with the current release. :] 
[01:04] <jesus\> how can I run a .jar file with ubuntu? Do I have to install a JRE?
[01:04] <gilles> Tomcat_: and how do they swith ? just by changing the addresses in repository ?
[01:04] <Tomcat_> jesus\: You do.
[01:04] <Tomcat_> gilles: Changing the repository data, then running apt-get dist-upgrade.
[01:04] <welly> can anyone recommend a good IRC client for linux?
[01:05] <shock> xchat
[01:05] <welly> i'm using chatzilla under mozilla, which is alright i suppose
[01:05] <welly> oh ok!
[01:05] <fgx> welly, x-chat
[01:05] <shock> its probably the best
[01:05] <welly> as in x-chat which comes with ubuntu? :)
[01:05] <fgx> welly, sure
[01:05] <shock> if you are a total nerd and want somethign more fun try irssi and customize it to lessen the pain
[01:05] <shock> :P
[01:06] <selinium_> welly: I use chatzilla aswell, didnt get on well with x-chat
[01:06] <gilles> Tomcat_: to says it more easily, you mean, to change all "warty" in "Distribution" in th repositories of Synaptics, then to click on "renew the list of package", and then click on "update", right ?
[01:06] <shock> I've been using xchat for like 3 years now
[01:06] <welly> chatzilla seems ok
[01:06] <shock> and its kewl
[01:06] <shock> reall
[01:06] <shock> y
[01:07] <Tomcat_> gilles: Yeah, update sources then upgrade with smart upgrade.
[01:07] <selinium_> can anyone translate this into  ubuntu? /path/to/kernel/source/tree
[01:07] <gilles> okay
[01:07] <shock> /usr/src/linux
[01:07] <gilles> Tomcat_: but i guess this won't upgrade my kernel automatically, isn't it ?
[01:08] <jesus\> Tomcat_:  any idea what package I need to run .jar files? I can't find any packages with "jre", and "java" returns a lot but no JRE
[01:08] <selinium_> I had a look in usr/src/ and there isnt a linux just an rpm is that right?
[01:08] <gilles> Tomcat_: i mean, if there is for example a kernel 2.6.12, i still have to install it manually, right?
[01:08] <selinium_> shock: I had a look in usr/src/ and there isnt a linux just an rpm is that right?
[01:09] <shock> an rpm O_o
[01:09] <shock> what are you trying to install?
[01:09] <Tomcat_> jesus\: I heard you need to install java-package... but I don't know much more, I did a manual install for Java.
[01:09] <Tomcat_> gilles: Indeed.
[01:09] <welly> back in a s ec
[01:09] <shock> if you need the kernel sources
[01:09] <shock> apt-cache search kernel-source
[01:09] <gilles> Tomcat_: okay, thanks for your explanations
[01:09] <shock> and apt-get install kernel-source..... whatever u need
[01:10] <selinium_> shock: if you use nautilus to look at /usr/src what do you see?
[01:10] <Welly> cool.. this xchat looks alright
[01:10] <shock> plenty of things
[01:10] <shock> compiled alot
[01:10] <eya> anyone?
[01:10] <eya> awake?
[01:10] <shock> including a /usr/src/linux-2.6.9
[01:11] <shock> and a symlink "linux" pointing there
[01:11] <shock> eya - plenty of people awake here :P
[01:11] <selinium_> shock: I am using hoary, what are you using?
[01:11] <eya> i have a cnet router. i want to ubuntu to connect to it
[01:11] <shock> hoary running on 2.6.9-sleep7 kernel
[01:11] <shock> powerpc
[01:11] <eya> i cant make it work
[01:12] <pvh> Why can't I run X11 programs through SSH?
[01:12] <jesus\> pvh: do you have X11 forwarding turned on in your sshd config?
[01:13] <shock1> hm
[01:13] <jesus\> "X11Forwarding yes"
[01:13] <shock1> interesting - this chatzilla thing could be usefull if I ever should destroy my xchat
[01:13] <shock1> that never happened to me before, though :P
[01:13] <Myrtti> <3 irssi
[01:14] <shock1> yeah - that what i use for backup
[01:14] <shock1> :)
[01:14] <selinium_> shock1: How can i search for the linux folder?
[01:15] <shock1> search?
[01:15] <shock1> once you downloaded the kernel sources
[01:16] <shock1> they will be placed as a tarball in /usr/src/
[01:16] <selinium_> shock1: If the linux folder is not at /usr/src ? I cant find it there!:)
[01:16] <shock1> there you can extract ehem doin tar xvjf kernel-source....
[01:17] <RainMoods> hi there
[01:17] <RainMoods> when updating, I get this error:
[01:17] <RainMoods> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt', which is also in package libcurl3
[01:17] <RainMoods> what should I do?
[01:17] <shock1> then u should just do "ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source... /usr/src/linux"
[01:17] <shock1> and voila - theres the linux folder
[01:18] <shock> ok - back  @ xchat
[01:18] <shock> :)
[01:18] <RainMoods> hi Stoffbox-Steve - how's the compiling of your kernel going?
[01:18] <jesus\> what JRE should I install? I can't run .jar packages
[01:18] <StoffBox-Steve> RainMoods, my kernel work :D
[01:18] <RainMoods> coolness :)
[01:19] <StoffBox-Steve> but i i think i kill my system with Nvidia Drivers
[01:19] <RainMoods> well, my ubuntu is dying on me
[01:19] <RainMoods> falling apart
[01:19] <Erni> Anyone has the problem mounting the cdrom and the cdrecorder??
[01:19] <Erni> I can't ount them
[01:19] <Erni> mount
[01:19] <Tomcat_> Now that so many people are active again: Can you tell me why the Ubuntu Kernel contains the Intel Centrino WLAN firmware, but can be called "Free Software"? :>
[01:20] <StoffBox-Steve> not testet the CD jet *GG* dont need it, only for reinstall linux
[01:20] <Erni> the error says special device hdd does not exist
[01:20] <selinium_> shock: I now have symbolic route to linux in my /usr/src !
[01:21] <selinium_> shock: tell a lie, it says the link is broken :(
[01:21] <RainMoods> should I try to force update?
[01:21] <StoffBox-Steve> to hoary RainMoods?
[01:23] <RainMoods> Stoffbox: I am already on hoary
[01:23] <StoffBox-Steve> guys i get this nice error! *lol* someone an idea ?, i know its the Xserver -- Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:
[01:23] <StoffBox-Steve>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file
[01:24] <RainMoods> when updating, I get this error:
 E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt', which is also in package libcurl3
 what should I do?
[01:24] <RainMoods> (should I try force update)
[01:24] <dud>   try 'apt-get -f install'
 <-- check it and fix it
[01:25] <shock> :9
[01:26] <Xappe> hmm, i've got two nics in my box...one connected to the internet and one that WILL be connected from time to time by my ibook. How do I make this one (eth1) always active so that shorewall will start even if I don't have the ibook connected?
[01:26] <gilles> Tomcat_: i'm installing hoary to have the softwares i need, then i won't update it before april, so that i'll always have a stable hoary
[01:27] <Tomcat_> gilles: That might pose a security risk though... because the packages in hoary are not known to be secure.
[01:30] <gilles> Tomcat_: it's okay, i install it on a friend's computer, not on mine, thus we can test ubuntu with the softwares we need, if from April, this ubuntu is stable enough, then we will install hoary on all our computers
[01:30] <Tomcat_> gilles: Whatever you want. :)
[01:31] <gilles> don't make me doubt that much, please
[01:31] <quitte_> what is the glibc version in ubuntu?
[01:32] <jbailey> quitte_: You mean relative to upstream?
[01:32] <jbailey> quitte_: Or the .deb version?
[01:34] <quitte_> both were maybe the most useful answers.
[01:34] <quitte_> is it maybe just the same as in debian?
[01:34] <da_bon_bon> anyone know how i can increase the speed of my cable connection by software means ?
[01:35] <RainMoods> dud: unfortunately, that did not help... I still get the same error
[01:36] <RainMoods> my mouse is moving very fast, I do not have a background image, all icons under 'applications' are gone
[01:36] <quitte_> jbailey: ?
[01:36] <RainMoods> I cannot print
[01:36] <da_bon_bon> anyone know how i can increase the speed of my cable connection by software means ?
[01:37] <Tomcat_> gilles: I'm sorry... I just want to show you the consequences of the actions. If you absolutely need the new scim version and want to use hoary, then my suggestion is you install it and update it always.
[01:37] <quitte_> compression - if your provider supports it
[01:37] <RainMoods> and the day just started :o(
[01:37] <jbailey> quitte_: Sorry, hadn't noticed the reply (best to include my name in it so that I see the nick highlight)
[01:37] <jbailey> quitte_: glibc (2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu8)
[01:38] <jbailey> quitte_: So it's a snapshot of Debian's from beginning of January (around UVF).  The Debian package is a CVS snapshot from September 2003.
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> quitte_: how do i enable compression ?
[01:38] <quitte_> ask your isp
[01:39] <universal> How can i change my splashcreen in ubuntu?
[01:39] <quitte_> jbailey: glibc is driving me crazy. i'm trying to get it working on sh3. if at least equivs was working - but for some reason it isn't. and i'd prefer having a deb anyways.
[01:40] <shock> its in gconf-editor
[01:40] <shock> just search for splash
[01:40] <da_bon_bon> universal: gnome-look.org
[01:40] <universal> da_bon_bon, ok
[01:40] <Xappe> so no one knows how to bring up eth1 always so that shorewall won't be confused?
[01:41] <universal> da_bon_bon, u know something about point2play?
[01:41] <jbailey> quitte_: sh3 like super hitachi?
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> universal: yes, but i have never used it
[01:41] <quitte_> jbailey: yes
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> universal: GUI to cedega right ?
[01:41] <universal> da_bon_bon, jeps
[01:41] <jbailey> quitte_: Dude, you really want a glibc cvs snapshot.
[01:42] <jbailey> quitte_: Around 2003 sh3 was rotting pretty badly, although it's up to date now.
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> universal: so, what about it ?
[01:42] <quitte_> jbailey: mhm. thanks. i will try.
[01:42] <universal> da_bon_bon, it's just-... I cant get it to work optimal
[01:42] <quitte_> jbailey: I'm glad i asked. didn't know that.
[01:42] <universal> da_bon_bon, there are so many options that could causo the problem
[01:43] <jbailey> quitte_: There'll be new updates when the Hoary+1 process starts, and also when Etch starts.  You may find it less work to help those processes along than to update glibc on your own.  Depends how insane^Wbrave you feel. =)
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> universal: ah, well, are point2play debs available ?
[01:45] <universal> da_bon_bon,  yes, my games does work, but it has something to do with the Graphiccard
[01:45] <universal> da_bon_bon, its, lagging in Steam, Generals, and so....
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> universal: which card ?
[01:45] <quitte_> jbailey: i already joined the debian libc mailinglist. but i guess i'd better get a libc to fully compile in my crosscompilation environment before bugging them - so they can't tell me its my environments fault
[01:45] <universal> da_bon_bon, Geforce 6800 GT
[01:45] <jbailey> quitte_: Are you trying to revive the Debian SH port?
[01:45] <erni> someone has the problem mounting the cdrom or cdrecorder
[01:45] <erni> I can't mount them
[01:46] <erni> buntu does not recognize them
[01:46] <quitte_> jbailey: yes - together with 1-2 others and a handful of users. www.jlime.com
[01:46] <erni> van anyone help?
[01:46] <erni> can
[01:46] <quitte_> jbailey: well the debian part is me only at the moment
[01:47] <ICU> hmm since some days my ubuntu is slow like hell...
[01:47] <jbailey> quitte_: Are you the one who worked on it before, or are you just picking it up again?
[01:47] <universal> da_maybe it's just point2play which is not emulating good enough, in oposition to games on Windows
[01:47] <jbailey> quitte_: I tried looking through the list once and it was nothing but spam.
[01:47] <quitte_> jbailey: just picking it up. I basically have no idea what i'm doing ;)
[01:48] <ICU> well the x windows/scrolling is really slow and ... sluggish
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> universal: u run p2p under /ubuntu/ ?
[01:48] <universal> da_bon_bon, yes
[01:48] <quitte_> jbailey: if only it wasn't so hard to get the essentials to a current state. circular dependencies in the sources everywhere you look
[01:49] <quitte_> jbailey: and the one who worked on it before - no idea who that is. his name seems to be server host when you translate it :P
[01:50] <RainMoods> OK I rebooted to another kernel version
[01:51] <RainMoods> and now I can print, I see all icons, I have a windows background, and mouse is not moving so fast anymore
[01:51] <RainMoods> so: hooray for this kernel version
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> universal: where did u get the deb from ?
[01:53] <universal> transgaming, i spend money on it
[01:53] <Welly> hello again
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> universal: oh well, i use bittorrent :D
[01:54] <universal> da_bon_bon, ok, but are u gaming Steam?
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> universal: no, i play counterstrike non-steam - the pirated version
[01:56] <universal> da_bon_bon, ok, and its no laggy? fps 50?
[01:56] <universal> da_bon_bon, or so
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> fps > 70
[01:57] <universal> da_bon_bon, where are u from?
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> india
[01:58] <universal> da_bon_bon, ok, my fps is rarely about 40 fps
[02:00] <fsc> something is just fubar with this big X/gnome update on Hoary. the redraw/refresh is horrible
[02:00] <universal> da_bon_bon, anyways, when downloading the splashscreen im only getting a png. file
[02:00] <da_bon_bon> universal: point me the link
[02:01] <universal> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19447
[02:01] <pignu> Does the Ubuntu's livecd all have X?.. looking for a light ppc livecd
[02:02] <jesus\> idd fsc I was thinking the same
[02:02] <da_bon_bon> underlord: wait a sec
[02:02] <fsc> jesuel, i'm telling you. something is fubar. and i don't know if it's metacity, xorg 6.8.2 or what
[02:02] <jesus\> I thought i messed up my xorg.conf, but I didn't
[02:02] <fsc> jesuel, no, it happened right after the big X/Gnome update
[02:03] <jesus\> When I scroll my webpage in firefox it feels like a P2 300, and it's a P4 1.8
[02:03] <fsc> jesper, yep. yep
[02:03] <fsc> jesper, uhhmm.where's daniels?
[02:03] <jesus\>  que?
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> universal: might help http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[02:04] <fsc> jesus\, damn nick complete
[02:04] <fsc> jesuel, I think daniels maintains X stuff
[02:04] <Boinz> hi, can anyone help me with codec support.. and driver support, i am new and want to learn how to install.
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> Boinz: codecs is easy - apt-get install w32codecs
[02:06] <Echylo> hello
[02:06] <Echylo> I installed ubuntu through custom expert
[02:07] <Echylo> I changed sources.list to add universe & updated
[02:07] <Echylo> but It won't allow me to install irssi
[02:07] <Echylo> now I use bitchx
[02:07] <parax> anybody has/had problems with acpi sleep mode?
[02:08] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me where does ubuntu save the .xinitrc file?
[02:08] <Boinz> it says package not found
[02:09] <da_bon_bon> Boinz: have u added marillat to apt repos ?
[02:09] <Boinz> i dont know what that is
[02:09] <fsc> jesus\, say you have firefox and xchat overlapping one or the other, then you click on the one underneath and watch the redraw. something is just completely fubar
[02:11] <jesus\> idd
[02:11] <SiRrUs> good mornming guys
[02:11] <jesus\> or just grab any window and drag it around violently
[02:11] <jesus\> dude
[02:11] <jesus\> the screen is everywhere
[02:11] <jesus\> at the same time
[02:11] <da_bon_bon> whats the wiki page that describes adding more repos ?
[02:11] <jesus\> even when I just change channels in xchat... omg
[02:12] <Vilijo> ey dudes, anyone using vmware? question: VMWare tools installed some drivers for mouse,graphics and so on. Should I install to my winxp quest OS my real graphics card drivers for windows ?
[02:13] <gilles> since i have updated from warty to hoary, the screen resolution has a little problem, it does like if my screen wasn't a large screen, what can i do ?
[02:13] <echylo> how come I can't install irssi, it says I have installation candidate but gives error, I have universe enabled
[02:14] <dud> Vilijo, no, use vmware tools drivers
[02:14] <gilles> since i have updated from warty to hoary, the screen resolution has a little problem, it does like if my screen wasn't a large screen, what can i do ?
[02:15] <Vilijo> dud, hmm... why not install real drivers?
[02:16] <Vilijo> in qemu, you create an .img file that is your virtual harddrive for qemu
[02:16] <Vilijo> which is part of your hosts harddrive
[02:16] <evarlast> Vilijo: because that is not how VMware works.  Go ahead and see what happens if you install non-vmware drivers in your guest os.  But you will not be happy.
[02:16] <Vilijo> oops
[02:16] <parax> my problem with acpi: echo standby > /sys/power/state seems to start sleep mode on the laptop, but then suddenly, it aborts; I don't know where to see for sleep problems messages
[02:16] <Vilijo> wrong channel :)
[02:17] <echylo> I have installed ubuntu warty custom expert, and I have problems with apt-get can someone help me please?
[02:17] <Vilijo> evarlast ok
[02:17] <pyrx> just installed ubuntu, havent been using gnome since 1.4, how do I get icons on my desktop?
[02:17] <echylo> drag them?
[02:17] <echylo> right click
[02:17] <echylo> and create launcher
[02:17] <gilles> hoary works with xorg ?
[02:18] <parax> gilles, yes
[02:18] <Xappe> gilles, hoary has xorg by default
[02:19] <gilles> by default ? even if i have updated it via synaptics ?
[02:19] <Vilijo> I see evarlast. I thought pc emulator acts like a real PC in all ways. So I guess I should skip all the hardware driver installation, but everything else is fine?
[02:19] <gilles> i mean from warty to hoary ?
[02:20] <Xappe> should be
[02:20] <Bandit> gilles i had to update mine
[02:20] <Xappe> but if it has held xorg back, install xserver-xorg
[02:20] <Vilijo> evarlast how about directx drivers and such ?
[02:21] <gilles> How to know that i'm using xorg and not xfree ?
[02:21] <evarlast> Vilijo: you shouldn't need anything except the vmware tools.
[02:21] <maLKoc> dpkg -i *.deb
[02:21] <Vilijo> oh, well I am going to try install a game that reqs directx
[02:21] <maLKoc> it's true,isn't it.
[02:21] <maLKoc> ?
[02:22] <evarlast> gilles: run xdpyinfo | less and see what the vendor string says :)
[02:23] <gilles> okay
[02:24] <gilles> is there a software to configure xorg ?
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> gilles: xorgxonf
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> dpkg-reconfigre xorg
[02:24] <daniels> XORG_FORCE_PROBE=no sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg
[02:24] <daniels> xorgconfig (or xorgconf) will almost certainly not do what you want
[02:25] <fsc> daniels, there seems to be refresh/redraw issues with the latest Xorg/Gnome update
[02:25] <daniels> fsc: i haven't really noticed here
[02:25] <fsc> daniels, jesuel noticed too
[02:25] <fsc> jesuel, what kind of card do you have?
[02:25] <NanUra> hello
[02:27] <NanUra> i cant seem to mount my usb device, i think because hotplug is showing error at the boot scripts screen can somebody help?
[02:28] <sic|>  wow, it seems like everytime I glance in channel someone has trouble with a USB device
[02:28] <NanUra> so can you help
[02:28] <jesus\> I remember when I ran fluxbox or XFCE that when i moved to the right of my desktop my second desktop appeared, can gnome do that?
[02:28] <sic|> no sorry, haven't run into that problem yet
[02:29] <sic|> just sends up a red flag that so many people are having trouble
[02:29] <jesus\> fsc:  I have a radeon 8500 and I use fglrx as driver
[02:29] <NanUra> no i dont think gnome can
[02:30] <NanUra> sic|	where do i report this!?
[02:30] <fsc> jesuel, yep. i've got a 9600 with the fglrx driver....hmm, i wonder if it's an ati issue with xorg 6.8.2
[02:30] <NanUra> or find help?
[02:30] <sic|> hmmm
[02:30] <fsc> shit.  ati sucks, but i'm on a laptop so can't change it out
[02:30] <jesus\> fsc:  my 3D benchmarks are good, 2000 points with glxgears on a P4 1.8 with radeon 8500
[02:30] <daniels> apparently fglrx does interesting things with the new xorg
[02:30] <fsc> jesuel, yeah, glxgears is fine here too
[02:31] <daniels> i have a radeon x850 xt pe and it seems to work fine for me
[02:31] <jesus\> daniels:  should we report that somewhere?
[02:31] <jesus\> because this sucks :|
[02:31] <sic|> NanUra: this is probably a good place to start http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[02:31] <daniels> jesus\: nah, it's ok, i already have it on my todo list to look at
[02:32] <jesus\> daniels:  splendid, just yell if I can help
[02:32] <fsc> yeah, i'll help out too
[02:33] <fsc> because this is very annoying
[02:33] <daniels> jesus\, fsc: will do, thanks
[02:33] <sic|> ha, its official, ubuntu has the full support of the son of god...praise jesus!
[02:33] <jesus\> :D
[02:33] <sic|> hehe
[02:34] <sic|> sorry...couldn't resist
[02:34] <sic|> its presumptive anyway...you could be 'hey-soos'
[02:34] <morgs> Anybody have this problem: no sound in flash playing in firefox? (hoary)
[02:34] <morgs> I mean, solution to this problem...
[02:34] <morgs> :-)
[02:35] <sic|> morgs: does your sound work at all?
[02:35] <morgs> yes, just upgraded to polypaudio and that works
[02:35] <jesus\> sic|:  no, i'm jesus, not hey-soos :p
[02:35] <NeoCicak> when would the stable hoary get released?
[02:35] <morgs> NeoCicak: 6 April I think
[02:35] <NeoCicak> oh ok...
[02:35] <sic|> morgs: and you installed the flash plugin without error?
[02:36] <morgs> sic|: It worked until probably about a month ago
[02:36] <morgs> I think
[02:36] <morgs> I could try reinstall the plugin...
[02:36] <sic|> morgs: That is too strange...I would reinstall the plugin
[02:36] <stefan_hb> I'm looking for a good app to do gnutella filesharing, does someon have a tip?
[02:36] <sic|> morgs: right on
[02:37] <morgs> OK, I'll try that and get back soon...
[02:37] <Quest-Master> stefan_hb: sudo apt-cache search gnutella
[02:38] <stefan_hb> Quest-Master: gtk-gnutella is there, that's ok
[02:38] <stefan_hb> Quest-Master: thx
[02:38] <NeoCicak> what does hoary mean?
[02:38] <Sav> Anyone know the charterencoding for the char M (with an underline), often appers when ediiting in windows and send the document to linux.
[02:39] <NeoCicak> M with underline or ^M ??
[02:39] <Sav> underline
[02:39] <NeoCicak> hmmm
[02:39] <NeoCicak> no idea
[02:40] <NeoCicak> normal text file, or word file?
[02:40] <lupusBE> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1985/6mhm8o5n0?q=smf&a=view init replacement looks interesting
[02:41] <Sav> normal textfile
[02:41] <NeoCicak> have you tried dos2unix ?
[02:41] <StoffBox-Steve> Sav, you me ? ?
[02:41] <stefan_hb> Question: In mandrake I just had to press "s" to go up one directory level, is it ok to get the same functionality by defining an "alias s="cd .."" ?
[02:41] <Zindar> neocicak: is it at the end of the line?
[02:42] <NeoCicak> Zindar: what did you mean?
[02:42] <Zindar> uhh.. that's ugly.. why do mandrake do that?
[02:42] <NeoCicak> Zindar: are you replying to me about dos2unix?
[02:42] <Zindar> neo: sorry.. was to "sav"
[02:42] <Zindar> :)
[02:42] <NeoCicak> its ok
[02:45] <jon1012> hi everybody :)
[02:48] <Sav> Zindar, yes its in he end of each line
[02:49] <morgs> sic|: I've tried flashplayer-mozilla, flashplayer-nonfree and libflash-mozplugin. No sound with any of them...
[02:50] <rubenv> hmmm, as ubuntu wants to be a bleeding edge development platform, is there any (MOTU) work being done on PHP5?
[02:51] <rubenv> not having any PHP5 packages kinda slows me down
[02:51] <rubenv> I'd be glad to help out if needed
[02:51] <NeoCicak> what's "Xen" and "Mataro" ?
[02:51] <rubenv> NeoCicak: Xen is virtualisation, Mataro is a place in spain where there was a ubuntu conference
[02:51] <Boinz> hi, i have small problem, i installed mp3 support... but Rhythmbox still wont play mp3
[02:52] <NeoCicak> oh....
[02:52] <NeoCicak> what's "virtualisation" then?
[02:52] <rubenv> NeoCicak: running multiple OSes at once
[02:53] <NeoCicak> at once as in running vmware or??
[02:53] <sic|> anyone tried to install the nvidia driver without using apt-get?  When I am at work I can't use apt-get because of the proxy.  When I try it tells me I have X server running...even at runlevel 3
[02:53] <rubenv> NeoCicak: yeah, but at system level more
[02:54] <NeoCicak> oh ok
[02:55] <Vilijo> any clue if I could run virtual pool 3 on vmware? it gives me runtime
[02:55] <Vilijo>                    error , microsoft visual c++ :(  vp3 requires direct draw at least and
[02:55] <Vilijo> that is supported in vmware... wonder if I can fix this runtime error
[02:56] <StoffBox-Steve> sic|, telinit 3 > /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:56] <rubenv> StoffBox-Steve: that's a nice way to fuck things
[02:56] <sic|> morgs: that is a weird one...ikt should just work
[02:56] <sic|> StoffBox-Steve: Thanks man
[02:57] <NeoCicak> what's "Rosetta" ?
[02:57] <jordi_> Canonical's translation tool
[02:57] <jordi_> launchpad.ubuntu.com
[02:57] <NeoCicak> translation tool?
[02:59] <Boinz> hi, i have small problem, i installed mp3 support... but Rhythmbox still wont play mp3
[03:01] <scizzo> Boinz: what did you install?
[03:01] <scizzo> Boinz: what does rhythmbox tell you when you try to play a mp3?
[03:09] <BockBilbo> hey
[03:09] <BockBilbo> Im trying to make  a program load everytime i start my x session with windomaker, but dont know which way i should follow..... a friend has told me to look for the .xinitrc file in my home directory but im missing that file. Im using ubuntu hoary. Anyone has an idea of how to do it?
[03:10] <scizzo> BockBilbo: using gdm?
[03:11] <BockBilbo> scizzo, well i use gdm but it automaticallly opens my user acount in window maker
[03:11] <NeoCicak> BockBilbo: the file should be in /etc/X11/xinit
[03:12] <NeoCicak> BockBilbo: have a read through it... i think you have to copy it to your ~, rename as .xinitrc or something like that...
[03:12] <kbrooks> Question
[03:12] <kbrooks> wtf? python?
[03:13] <BockBilbo> thanks
[03:13] <NeoCicak> not a problem
[03:14] <Joe2> kbrooks, python = a programming language
[03:20] <kbrooks> Joe2, I KNOW! but i saw update-manager is written in python
[03:20] <jdub> kbrooks: all of our cool stuff is written in python.
[03:21] <kbrooks> why?
[03:25] <Th3> hi
[03:25] <Th3> ..........
[03:25] <Th3> hi
[03:25] <Dr_Ace_Work> yo
[03:25] <Th3> where u from
[03:25] <Th3> ?
[03:25] <Th3> spanish?
[03:25] <Dr_Ace_Work> the moon
[03:25] <Th3> ...maybe
[03:26] <sic|> I used to live on the moon....Walmart put up a store there so I moved to Jupiter
[03:29] <delltony> can someone help me please i setup fglrxconfig with the new ati driver last night and the frame rate seemed to be fine but i check now and glxgears reports a frame rate of 65 which totally blows any idea how to fix this?
[03:38] <plagerism> anyone know where the tool png2yuv originates from??
[03:38] <membreya-aWay> ello tritium :)
[03:39] <membreya> oh...ello Xappe :)
[03:39] <delltony> question isn't 60 fps on ati radeon 9700 slow as crap?
[03:39] <tritium> membreya, hello
[03:39] <tritium> Xappe, what's up?
[03:39] <membreya> plagerism: what do you mean WHERE it originates from ?
[03:39] <membreya> someone's head?
[03:40] <pignu> Is there a easy way to create ppc livecd?
[03:40] <plagerism> membreye, what project
[03:40] <tritium> delltony, quite
[03:40] <plagerism> membreya, what project
[03:40] <gilles> comment rgler la rsolution d'cran sous hoary ?
[03:40] <gilles> pour un cran large
[03:40] <gilles> ma rsolution est toute tire
[03:42] <delltony> thats what i thought
[03:42] <delltony> i can't figure out what is wrong i have the latest ati driver installed
[03:42] <delltony> i assume i have fglrxconfig configured wrong
[03:43] <delltony> some help would really be appreciated
[03:43] <fsc> delltony, sounds like your xorg.conf file isn't setup correctly
[03:43] <delltony> understood
[03:43] <delltony> but i don't have enough knowlege yet to figure out how to set it up right :(
[03:45] <fsc> delltony, paste your xorg.conf file somewhere and i'll take a look
[03:45] <delltony> ok thank you
[03:45] <tritium> gilles, try #ubuntu-fr
[03:46] <jon1012> gilles > cherche dans les parametres sytemes
[03:46] <jon1012> gilles > t'a un truc special pour ca
[03:46] <delltony> fsc, http://rafb.net/paste/results/UJ9XUJ36.html
[03:46] <jon1012> gilles > ou dans "preferences" > "resolution de l'ecran"
[03:46] <membreya> gilles: mjpeg uses png2yuv
[03:46] <membreya> oops
[03:46] <membreya> plagerism: :)
[03:49] <plagerism> membreya, just found it on the merliat repository, thanks membreya
[03:49] <membreya> :)
[03:49] <plagerism> for some reason the hoary mjpegtools doesnt have png2yuv
[03:49] <plagerism> So I had to downgrade
[03:49] <membreya> I tend to grab things like that from my marillat site :)
[03:49] <membreya> mainly cos it has amd64 builds :)
[03:50] <delltony> fsc, feel free to pm me if need and thanks
[03:50] <fsc> delltony, maybe X is using the vga device instead of the ati. try commenting out the vga device stuff
[03:51] <membreya> what...only 10mb of downloads today? hoary is backing off :P
[03:51] <delltony> just comment out driver "vga"?
[03:51] <thenuke> I cant find gdesklets configs anywhere! and it does not start anymore because of broken desklets
[03:52] <membreya> delltony: have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it's using?
[03:52] <thenuke> "gDesklets uses the following files and directories for storing data. ..~/.gdesklets/Displays/ Contains desklets installed by the user.."  and there is nothing like that on my PC :)
[03:52] <delltony> no i haven't
[03:52] <delltony> will do that now
[03:52] <fsc> delltony, hmm. i don't have a vga section and the Screen section looks like it identifies the ATi adapator, so i'm not sure
[03:52] <delltony> wellare you using the driver from ati
[03:52] <delltony> or the one supplied?
[03:53] <delltony> the one supplied is outdated
[03:54] <membreya> hmmm wonder if I should try and setup a caching proxy server :\
[03:54] <delltony> membreya, how do i know looking at that log now but not sure what i'm suppose to be looing for
[03:54] <jesus\> is a pentium 4 i686? or i586
[03:55] <CarlK> jesus\ - p=5, so p2 = 5+1
[03:56] <CarlK> so 686
[03:56] <membreya> delltony: go to the section just below Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[03:56] <membreya> around that area it tells you the module loaded and video card details used
[03:57] <delltony> like setting vga for screen 0?
[03:57] <jesus\> uname -a tells me I have the -386 kernel, while i should have the -686, how can I upgrade? In synaptic i tried to install "kernel-image-2.6-686" but it has unresolved deps
[03:58] <delltony> can i paste the file so yu can help me look ?
[03:59] <membreya> im not great at it delltony i havent even tweaked my x..just got it running "good enough"
[03:59] <delltony> :( ok
[03:59] <floater> Where can I add nodes to my xfconfig or such? I need to add 16-bit node to that config
[03:59] <delltony> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8eMDgJ57.html thats what i have in the log though :(
[03:59] <floater> or what's the config file called for those color modes in linux?
[04:00] <delltony> fsc,  you said comment out vga?
[04:00] <membreya> well it's loading the ATI driver
[04:00] <membreya> i know with nvidia disabling DRI helped
[04:00] <membreya> but not sure with ati
[04:01] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm can someone tell me by i use 1200x1024 ? i change the lines in the xorg config but can choose them :S
[04:01] <delltony> anyone wnna walk me thru thhis fglxconfig haha :)
[04:01] <jesus\> StoffBox-Steve:  1280*1024?
[04:02] <jesus\> delltony:  just install every package with "fglrx" (not dev) and set the driver to "fglrx"
[04:03] <StoffBox-Steve> , jesus\ ok this way :D how to i add new mods to the xorgconfig and use them :D
[04:03] <StoffBox-Steve> modes
[04:04] <delltony> yeah but thats NOT the ati drivers from ati i had those to start with and the frame rate was extra slow
[04:04] <jesus\> StoffBox-Steve:  just write them inthere?
[04:04] <dr_willis> Hmm. ive used a xmodeline generator web site in the past. you enter the #'s you want. and it makes the rght mode line you just cut/paste
[04:04] <jesus\> I'll past my entries
[04:04] <delltony> i had this working with highframe rate last night but rebooted and now its to the she ats
[04:04] <evarlast> CarlK: so if p=5, so p2 = 5+1, then p3=5+2 and p4=5+3, so p3 is 786, and p4 is 886, but this is not true.
[04:05] <gilles> I've add the resolution 1280x800 in 24 Depth in xorg.conf, it works in the log screen, but not once a user has logged, why?
[04:05] <StoffBox-Steve> i have, but can use them there not show up :(, at what config i can change my Desktop mode ?
[04:05] <dr_willis> its possible the modes are invalid or some other typo
[04:06] <Tomcat_> gilles: I *think* the users can choose their own res somewhere...
[04:06] <dr_willis> but that dont make sence either.
[04:06] <dr_willis> Tomcat_,  oh yea.. i rember that somewhere.:P
[04:06] <membreya>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show any errors with the res
[04:06] <dr_willis> Perferances/Screen REsolution
[04:06] <jesus\> StoffBox-Steve:  something like this: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1352
[04:07] <GarySaved> If I go to do something that needs extra rights, I enter the password, and all is well.  If I try to get su rights in a terminal, it gives me an authentication error.
[04:07] <zenrox> GarySaved,  use sudo
[04:07] <Tomcat_> GarySaved: Use sudo bash to get a root shell
[04:07] <zenrox> sudo then enter your user pass
[04:08] <jesus\> StoffBox-Steve:  if you use xorg write it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, if you use xfree you should write it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or something
[04:08] <Tomcat_> GarySaved: There's a difference between using root and being a sudo user... the former requires a root password, which is usually not set in Ubuntu.
[04:08] <StoffBox-Steve> i try it jesus\ , but one more i upgrade to hoary , when i what to restart the X ( ctrl + alt + backspace ) it dosnt restart  :S
[04:08] <StoffBox-Steve> useing xorg
[04:09] <GarySaved> I am trying to use apt-get to get a program not listed in ubuntu's packages.
[04:10] <membreya> GarySaved: then it wont work:)
[04:10] <Brunellus> billions of blue blistering barnacles!
[04:10] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper won't build!
[04:11] <GarySaved> I have always used FireStarter in debian.  It is not listed now.
[04:11] <membreya> "Linux - What would you like to break today?"
[04:11] <GarySaved> (The firewall)
[04:11] <membreya> GarySaved: tis too there :)
[04:11] <bob2> it's probably in universe
[04:11] <membreya> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[04:12] <membreya> you may need to edit your repos :)
[04:12] <bob2> but it doesn't matter anyway, since there's no need for a firewall to begin with
[04:12] <Brunellus> I'm at wits' end
[04:12] <TheJabbit> hi people... I have a little question, is there any way to know which program have a given file opened?
[04:12] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper won't 'build.  I don't understand what's wrong.
[04:12] <membreya> god I love changing my mirror..rather than 100kB/s, I'm getting 500 - 700 :D
[04:12] <Xappe> I tried out firestarter yesterday, and it was a horrorshow, didn't allow me to do anything so I uninstalled and went for shorewall
[04:12] <Xappe> much better
[04:12] <Welly> brunellus, whats the error?
[04:12] <mjr> TheJabbit, fuser or lsof
[04:12] <Brunellus> "invalid module type" when I modprobe it
[04:12] <TheJabbit> mjr, THANX!
[04:13] <Brunellus> I can't build it any which way.  building it via the .debs gives me the error
[04:13] <Brunellus> building myself from the tarball--same.
[04:13] <GarySaved> I see in the repositories, the ubuntu - universe is not used by default.  Should I check it?
[04:13] <Welly> oh ok.. hmm.. thats bizarre.. worked first time for me
[04:13] <Brunellus> Welly:  it is bizarre, because it worked *first* time for me, too
[04:13] <Brunellus> but then, I apt upgrade-dist'd
[04:13] <Brunellus> so it broke
[04:13] <Brunellus> fine.  spent all night trying to find out what was causing it to go
[04:14] <IronRoses> hi
[04:14] <IronRoses> got ubuntu 2 installed
[04:14] <IronRoses> hoary
[04:14] <IronRoses> 5.
[04:14] <IronRoses> 5.04
[04:14] <Brunellus> decided that I had broken things.  so I reformatted the partition ubuntu lived on
[04:14] <Brunellus> and reinstalled
[04:14] <IronRoses> hmmm
[04:14] <GarySaved> Should I check 'ubuntu - universe' ?
[04:14] <Brunellus> that should have fixed it.  tried to build from debs
[04:15] <IronRoses> this time they've done it properly
[04:15] <Brunellus> same error
[04:15] <IronRoses> i did'nt like the first release
[04:15] <Brunellus> tried to build from source tarball
[04:15] <Brunellus> same error
[04:15] <Brunellus> no hardware has changed
[04:15] <IronRoses> I like this version a lot
[04:15] <Brunellus> I've eliminated everything I can think of.
[04:15] <Brunellus> any ideas?
[04:15] <StoffBox-Steve> have it :D move the xorg.conf to xorg.custom and that reconfigure Xorg new :) know it look fine :D
[04:16] <IronRoses> installing kde
[04:18] <Brunellus> any ideas, anyone at all?
[04:24] <GarySaved> In the repositories, I have 'warty', with 'main restricted'.  Should I have more than this?
[04:25] <DXT> u can have also universe and multiverse :)
[04:25] <StoffBox-Steve> universe multiverse  can be nice to GarySaved
[04:26] <GarySaved> StoffBox-Steve, What is the difference between universe and multiverse ?
[04:26] <jdub> universe is free software
[04:26] <jdub> multiverse is... not.
[04:27] <Lathiat> jdub: im coming to LCA :)
[04:27] <jdub> cool
[04:27] <jdub> got RDP?
[04:28] <GarySaved> With just the defaults, firestarter is not in the list.  I'll add universe to the list first.
[04:28] <Lathiat> GarySaved: firestarter is in universe
[04:28] <StoffBox-Steve> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories GarySaved
[04:29] <StoffBox-Steve> and you have to update > apt-get update
[04:29] <Zindar> jdub: funny thing btw.. looks like I might be in Sydney when hoary is released.... I might make this a tradition.. :)
[04:31] <Brunellus> success!
[04:31] <jdub> Zindar: rocking :)
[04:31] <Brunellus> ndiswrapper up and running, huzzah.
[04:32] <Brunellus> rebuilt it from the source tarball (same way I did the first time, when it worked)
[04:32] <Brunellus> had to do it twice (weird)
[04:32] <Brunellus> but now it's up.  and so to connect from nosferatu
[04:33] <GarySaved> O.K.  firestarter is there now.  Do I add multiverse to the same line as universe?
[04:33] <stisoas> i got a firefox plugins problem under windows XP
[04:33] <Lathiat> GarySaved: just tack it on the end
[04:33] <stisoas> who could help me
[04:33] <sigglet> stisoas: lol
[04:33] <Lathiat> stisoas: Wrong channel
[04:33] <sigglet> #windows
[04:33] <stisoas> i know  that
[04:34] <Twiggy> Anybody know when hoary will have dbus 0.23.1?
[04:35] <sigglet> Twiggy: ask the package manager
[04:35] <sigglet> maintainer
[04:35] <Twiggy> sigglet: Where would I find one
[04:35] <sigglet> in the man page most likely
[04:35] <sigglet> e-mail address
[04:36] <sigglet> http://www.mail-archive.com/dashboard-hackers@gnome.org/msg00048.html
[04:36] <GarySaved> Should I switch from warty to hoary ?
[04:37] <chrismurf> Twiggy, re: 0.23.1
[04:37] <chrismurf> I don't know when it will be available, but you can get around the dependency.
[04:37] <AngryClip> is there a menu editor type thingy for the gnome?
[04:37] <chrismurf> If you are trying to build Beagle
[04:38] <Twiggy> chrismurf: Aye, I read on the wiki to just edit configure.in
[04:38] <chrismurf> k
[04:38] <Twiggy> Did you have a more graceful solution?
[04:38] <sigglet> Twiggy: you see the page I just pasted?
[04:38] <chrismurf> no - mine was less graceful actually ;-)
[04:38] <sigglet> http://www.mail-archive.com/dashboard-hackers@gnome.org/msg00048.html
[04:38] <GarySaved> I guess a more appropriate question would be are there any reasons not to switch from warty to hoary ?
[04:39] <apal> Hi there, could someone help me ? (compilation problem)
[04:39] <Twiggy> sigglet: I did, it's not the problem I'm having
[04:39] <chrismurf> apal, ask your quesiton.
[04:40] <apal> i'm trying to execute the make command
[04:40] <apal> and i get error 2
[04:40] <apal> and error 1
[04:41] <chrismurf> need more info than that.
[04:41] <chrismurf> personal message me the console output.
[04:41] <scizzo> apal: ummm.....yeah...thats like going to a doctor and say "I have pains.."
[04:41] <apal> i know, i'm trying to explain it better
[04:41] <apal> (i'm french)
[04:41] <GarySaved> Where can I find information on switching from warty to hoary ?
[04:41] <scizzo> GarySaved: on the wiki
[04:42] <scizzo> GarySaved: there is a hoary section there
[04:42] <apal> Here is the last last before i get the errors
[04:42] <apal> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu
[04:42] <chrismurf> oh.
[04:43] <chrismurf> install libxmu-dev.
[04:43] <apal> oh, thanks
[04:44] <GarySaved> Thanks
[04:44] <chrismurf> actually, libxmu6-dev probably, but something like that.
[04:44] <apal> libxmu-dev, ok
[04:44] <apal> installing
[04:45] <apal> i had annother question, when i typed configure
[04:45] <apal> in front of chacking for a working version of makeinfo
[04:45] <apal> i get none
[04:45] <Darwin> How to create boot disk?
[04:45] <apal> is it important ?
[04:46] <Weems> i tried to install ubuntu but it didnt work and now i think I broke it and windows xp wont load
[04:47] <dr_willis> Interesting.
[04:47] <Weems> i accidentally deleted the recovery partition
[04:47] <dr_willis> You installed it to its own hard drive?
[04:47] <Weems> no
[04:47] <dr_willis> Recovery partition?
[04:47] <Weems> its a HP machine
[04:47] <dr_willis> UGH.
[04:47] <Weems> fixing the mbr wouldnt work would it?
[04:49] <dr_willis> well if you wiped out the windows partion - no..  If you had a XP cd' you could try to restore the MBR
[04:49] <BobaFett> hey guys...im kinda embarrased to ask...but...how on earth do I install programs in ubuntu? I just couldnt figure out Synaptic...
[04:50] <apokryphos> BobaFett: You right-click and select the packages you wan't to install by "checking" them
[04:51] <BobaFett> what do I need to right-click, apokryphos? the tar, the tar.gzip, the directory...this is tough *blush*
[04:51] <balor> BobaFett: if you click on the iconthingy to the left of a program name in Synaptic, it asks you to "Mark for installation"
[04:51] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Ther eis no tar; they're all debs. We're talking about in synaptic here.
[04:51] <BobaFett> but I cant get xmms to show in synaptic...thats what I dont get...
[04:51] <balor> BobaFett:  After you mark programs for installation just click "Apply" and that'll do it
[04:51] <apokryphos> *There is
[04:51] <dr_willis>  a tar?  huh?
[04:51] <balor> BobaFett: Xmms sucks...but if you want it use the search function :)
[04:52] <BobaFett> i tried the search function...nothing happened ... im really confused
[04:52] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Right, let's walk through it. ;-)
[04:52] <apokryphos> Fire up synaptic, and right-click on a package. One where the box on the left to it isn't highlighted. And click on "mark for installation"
[04:53] <froust> anyone had problems with the latest round of updates in hoary?
[04:53] <kiu> BobaFett: http://ubuntuguide.org/ has info you will find handy, for installation and other admin tasks
[04:53] <apokryphos> Do the same for any other packages. Then, pressing apply will download and install the packages. Might take some time.
[04:53] <apokryphos> froust: how "latest"?
[04:54] <mastertet> Hi, can you tell me the name of the application for music management, I'm trying to luch it from command line in enlightenment and I don't know the name?
[04:54] <froust> yesterday
[04:54] <froust> i can't sudo cd to some directories
[04:54] <BobaFett> Im at synaptic...searched for 'xmms'...no results whatsoever...
[04:54] <froust> phpsysinfo doesn't work, my sound is buggered, it removed my games
[04:55] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Do you have other packages therE?
[04:55] <dr_willis> perhaps you need to add the expanded and unofficial 'repositories'
[04:56] <BobaFett> yeah, 816 packages installed, 0 for upgrade and 0 for installation
[04:56] <apokryphos> Ok, perhaps you need more repositories there.
[04:56] <apokryphos> BobaFett: are you on hoary?
[04:57] <BobaFett> nop, on warty
[04:57] <Darwin> How create floppy disk boot grub?
[04:58] <BobaFett> hoary sounds way too scary xD
[04:58] <apokryphos> BobaFett: ok; from terminal, type sudo gedit (or another editor) /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:58] <BobaFett> ok, apokryphos, will do... -oh god I miss windows already *blush*-
[04:58] <apokryphos> In there, you'll see most probably that the Universe repository is "commented out" with a #. Take the # away, and that'll add it to the future list.
[04:59] <apokryphos> BobaFett: you'll get round to it. Linux is superior. :D
[04:59] <BobaFett> LOL so I hear!
[04:59] <BobaFett> but...well...after 10 years + of windows...the change can be...hard... xD
[05:00] <apokryphos> as someone suggested earlier, refer to: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories that will help.
[05:00] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, it's not as hard as you might think
[05:00] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Yup. Just takes a little time and diligence.
[05:00] <delltony> two questions onw is 362 fps normal for a ati radeon 9700 card? i thought it was suppose to be in the thousands? second question: why is it when you run fglxrconfig with the ubuntu drivers it wants to make a xfree86config4 file? instead of an xorg.config file?
[05:00] <BobaFett> i know, its just...sooo different...
[05:00] <froust> anyone have any ideas why my install went AWOL?
[05:00] <meuserj|work> froust, how so?
[05:00] <BobaFett> Ok, I sudoed what you typed, and I got dit...repositories?
[05:01] <froust> i updated, it removed my games, broke phpsysinfo, can't sudo cd to some directories, sound no longer works
[05:01] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Yup, see on that guide link above. Apt works by having a file -- sources.list -- that has links to certain URLs. These act as links to where synaptic/apt can get packages from.
[05:02] <meuserj|work> froust, what directories can you no longer cd to?
[05:02] <apokryphos> they're called "repositories"; they're links to where the packages are located.
[05:02] <BobaFett> so I add xmms's url, and Synaptic should get it directly from server?
[05:02] <kimcascone> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the BIOS and drop directly into the shell?
[05:02] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Not quite ;-). Repositories are not (generally) so specific. One URL will contain hundreds (possibly thousands) of packages. Enable the "Universe" repository. It talks it through on the guide.
[05:03] <froust> meuserj|work: namely /usr/share/phpsysinfo
[05:03] <meuserj|work> froust, does it still exist?
[05:03] <froust> yup
[05:03] <BobaFett> I'll check the guide right away! but...i think I'm starting to get this whole packages and repositories thingie...
[05:03] <froust> it says command sudo cd not found
[05:03] <BobaFett> Im not sure I like it better than add/remove programs in control panel...but... xD
[05:03] <meuserj|work> ah.. duh
[05:04] <kim1> anyone have similar prob with netatalk?
[05:04] <meuserj|work> cd is not a command that you can use with sudo
[05:04] <meuserj|work> cd is an internal bash command
[05:04] <apokryphos> BobaFett: excellent. Well, this is infinitely better than Windoze's add/remove program. Here you have access to around 98% of the programs you will ever want, and they're all accessible at the click of a button, and they're freee!
[05:04] <froust> but i get a permission denied for the directory
[05:04] <froust> hence the sudo.
[05:04] <meuserj|work> then do "sudo su"
[05:05] <meuserj|work> then cd into it
[05:05] <BobaFett> yeah...no more warez for me i guess xD
[05:05] <membreya> :P
[05:05] <apokryphos> BobaFett: no hassle of having to search for the package on the Internet, download it, locate the patch/crack and violate a certain plethora of copyright laws.
[05:05] <membreya> meuserj|work: sudo su?
[05:05] <kim1> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the BIOS and drop directly into the shell?
[05:06] <membreya> why not sudo -s?
[05:06] <apokryphos> BobaFett: you'll soon find that "Linux" is synonymous with "community", as Ubuntu stresses.
[05:06] <froust> odd... didn't do that before.
[05:06] <meuserj|work> membreya, that's just what I usually use...  same thing I guess
[05:06] <BobaFett> After a few years, that same plethora of  copyright laws start getting blurry...its really sad, actually
[05:06] <froust> what about the rest of it?
[05:06] <froust> stuff that went wrong
[05:06] <meuserj|work> membreya, for that matter, "sudo bash" would effectively be the same thing
[05:06] <mirak> hi
[05:07] <membreya> but sudo -s is less keystrokes :)
[05:07] <BobaFett> yeah...windoze consists basically of 'take what you can, and get out fast before the RIAAor someone likt that catches you'...
[05:07] <meuserj|work> froust, you're using hoary correct?
[05:07] <froust> yup
[05:08] <membreya> BobaFett: I got one of those nasty "stop it or else" letters
[05:08] <membreya> for downloading a movie
[05:08] <meuserj|work> froust, well, my package manager wanted to uninstall gnome-games.. it was because gnome-games-data was upgraded before gnome-games was for some reason... if you force gnome-games-data to the older version then you can re-install gnome-games
[05:08] <froust> meuserj|work: i'm new to ubuntu, i might just wait till it's fixed.
[05:08] <BobaFett> NO WAY??? really???
[05:08] <kim1> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the BIOS and drop directly into the shell?
[05:08] <BobaFett> where were you d/ling from???
[05:08] <froust> what about sound getting pooched?
[05:08] <vijay> hi i have a problem to install ubuntu
[05:09] <mirak> I try to run ubuntu using colinux on windows, however there is a problem, something tries to acces to the pci port, and of course it doesn't work. I was wondering if there is any particular service that ubuntu run that would try to probe pci ports at begining of run level 2.
[05:09] <BobaFett> membreya, i guess you d/lded WAY too much GBs in one day...
[05:09] <Loiosh> Hardware discovery
[05:09] <meuserj|work> froust, didn't see that question.. what's happening
[05:09] <vijay> i have 865 intel mother board
[05:09] <kim1> anyone have similar prob with netatalk?
[05:09] <mirak> because colinux doesn't emulate a pci bus
[05:09] <mdz> mirak: there are many things in runlevel 2 which would indirectly probe the PCI bus
[05:09] <membreya> BobaFett: using shareaza (gnutella network) ..nope it was from one of those companies like RIAA ....their legal team contacted my ISP to warn me
[05:09] <kim1> how do I bypass the 'bios' loading and drop directly into shell?
[05:09] <meuserj|work> membreya, I got a letter for downloading some TV shows on Kazaa....  stopped using kazaa after that.
[05:09] <froust> meuserj|work: sound gone, games gone, phpsysinfo doesn't work
[05:10] <mirak> mdz: it freezes immediately
[05:10] <directhex|work> Mar  2 14:05:58 localhost kernel: general protection fault: 0000 [1] 
[05:10] <pierce> sdf
[05:10] <apokryphos> membreya: what's that like compared to limewire? Is that another java one?
[05:10] <kim1> anyone?
[05:10] <vijay> yes
[05:10] <membreya> apokryphos: shareaza = windowz :)
[05:10] <mirak> mdz: I am not sure how I could log what is happening
[05:10] <apokryphos> membreya: eek :P
[05:10] <membreya> it uses emule and gnutella 1&2 all in one package
[05:10] <meuserj|work> kim1, you can't bypass the BIOS....
[05:10] <pierce> nice
[05:10] <Loiosh> Ewww
[05:10] <Loiosh> I'll stick with Azurus
[05:10] <membreya> now I use azureus :)
[05:10] <KING^^^> i have a problem with my sound , it runs too fast ! in XMMS in XINE in everything , i can't watch a movie or listen to music , how i fix this problem ?
[05:10] <membreya> cos I love my BT loving :D
[05:11] <pierce> someone wanna help me with getting ubuntu from freezing?
[05:11] <apokryphos> Azureus is great for films/albums. For mp3s, gnutella network is great.
[05:11] <mdz> mirak: probably /etc/rc2.d/S05vbesave, which isn't related to PCI, but is very hardware-specific
[05:11] <BobaFett> membreya, i guess you freaked out and never downloaded as much as copyrighted FONTS again! xD
[05:11] <Loiosh> BT is nice stuff. I still use IRC for mp3s
[05:11] <membreya> apokryphos: I get tv eps and movies :)
[05:11] <membreya> lol BobaFett :)
[05:11] <Loiosh> Nothing better than the COllective for getting -all- the mp3s you need, hehe.
[05:11] <membreya> it was for "team america - world police" ..piss funny movie by the way :D
[05:11] <meuserj|work> pierce, boot to 2.6.10-3 instead of 2.6.10-4
[05:11] <BobaFett> Loiosh, BT and BitComet are still kings, as much as I can say from experience xD
[05:11] <KING^^^> i have a problem with my sound , it runs too fast ! in XMMS in XINE in everything , i can't watch a movie or listen to music , how i fix this problem ?
[05:12] <apokryphos> I prefer IRC these days, though, for films. Speed is unrivalled, even by torrents.
[05:12] <pierce> meuserj|work, so reinstall and boot to 10-3?
[05:12] <membreya> I don't collect mp3's though.. I collect music videos ...40gb and counting (980 music vids)
[05:12] <meuserj|work> pierce, no no no
[05:12] <delltony> anyone here happen to have an ati radeon 9700 card and if so could you please help me with getting this driver to work correctly the only way i can run fglrxconfig in hoary is if i use the ati drivers from their site the one with ubuntu makes a x86freeconfig4 file instead of a xorg.conf  :(
[05:12] <apokryphos> membreya: ouch. Sweet.
[05:12] <froust> delltony:  i haven't had any luck with mine.
[05:12] <pierce> ...
[05:12] <meuserj|work> pierce, sorry.. describe your problem in more detail.. warty or hoary, and when does it freeze?
[05:12] <Loiosh> I ordered my new computer yesterday, actually.
[05:12] <pierce> warty
[05:12] <delltony> yeah my frame rate blows how about yours?
[05:12] <membreya> apokryphos: going to get a 200gb SATA in a few weeks and just make it a downloads drive :)
[05:12] <membreya> my 120gb SATA can be my system drive :)
[05:12] <meuserj|work> pierce, and when does it freeze?
[05:13] <Shambler> can i configure firefox so that a clicked irc:// link will be catched and open in x-chat?
[05:13] <apokryphos> membreya: I need to invest in one of those. Probably with my new computer.
[05:13] <pierce> i finally got it to install by doing noapic nodma
[05:13] <pierce> everything installed
[05:13] <BobaFett> guys...what does it mean when a package has unresolved dependencies??
[05:13] <pierce> then when I log in.. it says it cant connect to debian
[05:13] <delltony> froust, have you tried the driver from ati's site?
[05:13] <apokryphos> membreya: currently forced into burning them on to DVDs. Have some 90 gigs going.
[05:13] <pierce> that gnome will probably error if i continue
[05:13] <froust> delltony: yup
[05:14] <meuserj|work> pierce, ummm... that makes no sense... what is the exact error?
[05:14] <KING^^^> i have a problem with my sound , it runs too fast ! in XMMS in XINE in everything , i can't watch a movie or listen to music , how i fix this problem ?
[05:14] <membreya> apokryphos: ... I have 40gb of music vids and 45gb of movies / tv eps (mainly lost / battle star galactica / dead like me / star gate atlantis)
[05:14] <mirak> mdz: what does this service do ?
[05:15] <pierce> meuserj|work, I don't have an internet connection on that pc, do I need to disable eth? or something?
[05:15] <mdz> mirak: it saves the VESA bios state
[05:15] <BobaFett> Music is one of the 3 loves of my life xD...so I collect it accordingly, im at 70GB mp3 now xD
[05:15] <BobaFett> Im afriaid of the RIAA, too, i guess xD
[05:16] <mirak> mdz: what is the interest ?
[05:16] <mirak> mdz: can I disable it ?
[05:16] <meuserj|work> pierce, the weird thing is.. there is no reason for Ubuntu to connect to anything in order for it to work.
[05:16] <membreya> BobaFett: that's quite a few hours of music :)
[05:16] <mdz> mirak: it is used for power management features; in your environment you can safely disable it
[05:16] <meuserj|work> pierce, are you getting the gethostbyname error?
[05:16] <pierce> meuserj|work, well, it has a message box saying that it couldnt connect to 'debian', and that if I continue it will probably make gnome not work
[05:16] <pierce> no
[05:17] <pierce> i dont think so
[05:17] <pierce> i didnt disable my ethernet adapter
[05:17] <meuserj|work> pierce, did you make your hostname debian?
[05:17] <pierce> i guess so
[05:17] <pierce> yes.
[05:17] <meuserj|work> pierce, ok.. it is the gethostbyname error
[05:17] <BobaFett> membreya- yup, quite some hours...but every last mp3 brings back something special...its a very dear collection to me xD
[05:17] <pierce> great..
[05:17] <pierce> :)
[05:17] <BobaFett> but i doubt the riaa will understand...oh well...*sigh*
[05:17] <membreya> BobaFett: all 80's I hope :)
[05:18] <meuserj|work> you need to edit your /etc/hosts file
[05:18] <pierce> that's what it says..
[05:18] <Shambler> can i configure firefox so that a clicked irc:// link will be catched and open in x-chat?
[05:18] <BobaFett> membreya- not all 80's, i was too young then! but quite a lot of 80's songs, though...awesome decade xD
[05:18] <BobaFett> spandex was king xD
[05:18] <pierce> but I'm stuck on how to edit it thru the bash
[05:18] <membreya> how old are you BobaFett ?
[05:19] <meuserj|work> pierce, do you have nano installed?
[05:19] <pierce> I have no clue.
[05:19] <BobaFett> i'm 19...so...i was born at the 80's sunset
[05:19] <pierce> Is it part of the ubuntu install?
[05:19] <meuserj|work> pierce, that would be the easiest editor... type "nano /etc/hosts" in the terminal
[05:19] <membreya> damn youngins
[05:19] <BobaFett> i DID dance at Michael Jackson and watch Miami Vice, though ! xD
[05:19] <membreya> lol
[05:19] <meuserj|work> membreya, just turned 25.. been using linux for 8 years
[05:20] <canuck> Darwin: would you mind change your nickname please?
[05:20] <shock> wow this is crap! when i remove the menu-bar-applet and replace it with "main menu" I cant reach the preferrences anymore :/
[05:20] <BobaFett> meuserj|work- 8 years at linux? and do you still remember how to manage a win system?
[05:20] <pierce> meuserj|work, is nano part of the ubuntu isntall?
[05:20] <canuck> Darwin: last warning...
[05:20] <Xappe> damn I loose the train and telephone youth discounts this year :/
[05:20] <jdub> shock: new main menu coming in a recently uploaded package
[05:20] <apokryphos> pierce: I think it is
[05:20] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, heh.... somewhat.. not great at it hough
[05:20] <membreya> lol Xappe :)
[05:21] <jdub> shock: er, in hoary.
[05:21] <membreya> the wonders of youth :)
[05:21] <canuck> I told him
[05:21] <pierce> thanks.. if it's not.. what is another editor?
[05:21] <shock> ia am running hoary :D
[05:21] <meuserj|work> pierce, you may have to install it.. if you get command not found run "sudo apt-get install nano"
[05:21] <membreya> that's an accomplishment shock ?:)
[05:21] <shock> and am running apt-get uprade as we speak
[05:21] <shock> no
[05:21] <pierce> ok thanks
[05:21] <jdub> shock: don't think it's built yet
[05:21] <shock> but good to hear from jdub about the new menu
[05:21] <shock> oh ok
[05:22] <apokryphos> pierce: command-line editor? vim is popular.
[05:22] <LinuxJones> canuck, what's wrong with his nick ?
[05:22] <Xappe> membreya, well the train ticket prices will go up like 70 -100 % for me
[05:22] <canuck> LinuxJones: its mine
[05:22] <LinuxJones> canuck, oh :D
[05:22] <meuserj|work> apokryphos, pierce seems new... don't want to subject him to modalness this early... I am a fan of vim though
[05:22] <Darwin> so
[05:22] <Darwin> I told him
[05:22] <membreya> lol
[05:22] <BobaFett> meuserj|work- ive been about 12 years using winsystems...this is my first linux installation, I started yesterday...and Ive been about 5 hours trying to listen to a damn mp3!!! LOL
[05:22] <LinuxJones> Darwin, you can register the nick
[05:22] <pierce> apokryphos, I'm trying to edit /etc/hosts
[05:23] <apokryphos> meuserj|work: don't really know any others off the top of my head. I know there are quite a few others though.
[05:23] <membreya> BobaFett: I see a long road ahead of you :P
[05:23] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, it gets easier
[05:23] <Darwin> LinuxJones: it's already registered, thanks. now he got killed.
[05:23] <BobaFett> membreya- LOL i bet you do xD
[05:23] <LinuxJones> Darwin, :D
[05:23] <meuserj|work> apokryphos, nano is easy.. that's what I usually tell newbies
[05:23] <Darwin> LinuxJones: problem solved
[05:23] <pierce> yes, this is my 2-3 time installing linus
[05:23] <pierce> linux.
[05:23] <membreya> BobaFett: in two weeks I've gotten all my necessary systems working :)
[05:23] <apokryphos> meuserj|work: same here. Only mentioned vim as he asked for an alternate one..
[05:24] <pierce> I've been an NT network admin for 4 years
[05:24] <membreya> nano is VERY easy.. I loathe vi
[05:24] <meuserj|work> pierce, when you get back into linux run "sudo nano /etc/hosts" and on the line that starts with "127.0.0.1" put "debian" at the end.
[05:24] <Myrtti> <3 jed
[05:24] <meuserj|work> pierce, that should fix it
[05:24] <BobaFett> membreya- TWO WEEKS? oh man...I could get a win system running at 200% in about 2 1/2 hours...i guess linux's the slow one, not me then! xD
[05:25] <membreya> BobaFett: my main problem is a/ I'm running hoary b/ I'm running an amd64 :)
[05:25] <apokryphos> membreya: Thinking of getting one in the summer. What's the support like for it? A hassle?
[05:25] <pierce> meuserj|work, thanks. so it should be ' 127.0.0.1 debian '
[05:26] <meuserj|work> membreya, I run on amd64 too... you don't realize how biased things are to i386 until you run something that is not.
[05:26] <membreya> apokryphos: it can be a bit tedious yes....so many packages out there I have to compile myself
[05:26] <BobaFett> membreya- im running warty intel x86, and it already is a nitemare xD
[05:26] <membreya> but I'm getting better at figuring things out when I get an ICE :)
[05:26] <meuserj|work> pierce, well... there will be other stuff between 127.0.0.1 and debian... like localhost, localhost.localdomain, etc
[05:26] <BobaFett> membreya- ICE?
[05:26] <apokryphos> membreya: and general perfomance of an amd64?
[05:26] <pierce> just add a space and debian at the end of the line
[05:27] <meuserj|work> pierce, right
[05:27] <membreya> apokryphos: thankfully I have a marillat repo bookmarked :)
[05:27] <pierce> great
[05:27] <membreya> BobaFett: ICE = internal compiler error
[05:27] <pierce> the Live CD won't run on that pc either.
[05:27] <pierce> but it's runs on this one.
[05:27] <membreya> apokryphos: nothing to compare it against, my last system was a p4 1.8ghz :) but it's a lot quicker (windows wise)
[05:27] <BobaFett> oh god...finally installed an mp3 playter...but now i need the plugin to handle mp3 files!!!!!!
[05:28] <BobaFett> agghhh !!!!
[05:28] <meuserj|work> membreya, having a i386 chroot for things that don't play nice is handy.
[05:28] <membreya> a lot of the problems stem from developers not supporting the a64 :)
[05:28] <apokryphos> BobaFett: not if you had installed amaroK ;-), but yes.
[05:28] <directhex|work> general protection faults. http://paste.husk.org/2725 - any suggestions?
[05:28] <BobaFett> apokryphos- amorok??
[05:28] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, what player did you install?
[05:28] <membreya> meuserj|work: band-aid fix :P
[05:28] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell BobaFett uburestricted
[05:28] <Pyre> BobaFett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:28] <BobaFett> apokryphos- searching in my brand new synaptic... xD
[05:28] <membreya> real player doesn't work with amd64 :'(
[05:28] <meuserj|work> membreya, yeah.. but for flash webpages and stuff like that, it's necessary.
[05:28] <apokryphos> BobaFett: By far the greatest mp3 player ever, imo.
[05:29] <membreya> meuserj|work: I can live without flash :)
[05:29] <membreya> I kinda miss activex though :| lol
[05:29] <meuserj|work> membreya, eewwww....
[05:29] <membreya> meuserj|work: ....lotsa crappy online games :)
[05:29] <evarlast> even microsoft says "don't use activeX" it is a security problem.  except for windows udpate :)
[05:30] <meuserj|work> membreya, in my opinion as a web developer, if you can't do it in Javascript or server side, you shouldn't be doing it.
[05:30] <ixus_123> real player doesn't even work with real streams :/
[05:30] <froust> anyone know how well a soundblaster live 24 bit plays with linux?
[05:30] <pierce> mm php
[05:31] <pierce> meuserj|work, I agree
[05:31] <membreya> meuserj|work: what you believe and what's out there are two different things :P lol
[05:31] <membreya> but I'm loving the linux games :)
[05:31] <membreya> especially "beneath a steel sky" i missed that game
[05:31] <BobaFett> apokryphos- i cant get amarok to show in synaptic...
[05:32] <BobaFett> membreya- ahhh great game!
[05:32] <meuserj|work> membreya, you can always run IE under wine... it works pretty well actually... at least using crossover office.
[05:32] <apokryphos> BobaFett: I'm not sure if it's available in warty. Support for kde is poor/dated there.
[05:32] <membreya> BobaFett: have you added extra repos?
[05:32] <meuserj|work> membreya, I just use it to make sure my pages look good in IE
[05:32] <BobaFett> membreya- i added the universe repos
[05:32] <Anubis> windows asx links in firefox does not work for me
[05:32] <BobaFett> membreya- both of 'em xD
[05:32] <Anubis> they go to a black page
[05:32] <membreya> aren't asx an ASF technology?
[05:33] <froust> anyone?
[05:33] <Anubis> I think so
[05:33] <BobaFett> yep they are
[05:33] <membreya> Anubis: can you play ASF files?
[05:33] <BobaFett> oh god i miss winamp...
[05:33] <Anubis> yes
[05:33] <membreya> BobaFett: xmms :)
[05:33] <Anubis> can't play divx still though
[05:33] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, or beep-media-player
[05:33] <membreya> Anubis: install the codec :)
[05:33] <apokryphos> amaroK demolishes winamp, imo.
[05:34] <Anubis> membreya, its installed;)
[05:34] <Xappe> hmm, is beep media plaer a good one?
[05:34] <BobaFett> but i cant find amarok in synaptic *moan*
[05:34] <membreya> amarok - versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE <-- I use gnome :P
[05:34] <meuserj|work> apokryphos, I prefer rhythmbox or muine... I'm a GNOME junkie though.
[05:34] <membreya> Anubis: then why can't you play them ?
[05:34] <Anubis> lol, I duinno
[05:34] <BobaFett> i downloaded rythmbox but i cant get it to play mp3...
[05:34] <derJunior> rythmbox suxxx
[05:34] <meuserj|work> install the gstreamer mad plugin
[05:34] <apokryphos> BobaFett: you might want to consider upgrading to hoary. It's *very* easy, really. You have to change one file and run two commands.
[05:35] <membreya> apokryphos: and download lots :P
[05:35] <meuserj|work> derJunior, how so?
[05:35] <Xappe> Anubis, well...install VLC and you can play almost everything without thinking about codecs
[05:35] <awstott> hoary is the bomb
[05:35] <apokryphos> Sure. Not a good idea if you've got a slow connection, but if it's fast, well...
[05:35] <pierce> is hoary more difficult than warty?
[05:35] <derJunior> meuserj|work: cause it don't run like i want
[05:35] <BobaFett> apokryphos- is there an easy way to upgrade warty to hoary?
[05:35] <haylle> njan is the bomb
[05:35] <njan> ;)
[05:35] <apokryphos> BobaFett: very easy way
[05:35] <Deft> BobaFett, yes very, just add the apt sources
[05:36] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell BobaFett ubuhoary
[05:36] <membreya> apokryphos: noone told me about mirrors :P I've increased my speed in apt from 100kB/s to 500 - 700 :P
[05:36] <Pyre> BobaFett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:36] <meuserj|work> derJunior, that means it doesn't run like you want... not that it sucks...
[05:36] <haylle> :-D
[05:36] <universal> Why upgrade warty to hoary?
[05:36] <BobaFett> thanks, Pyre! checking...
[05:36] <membreya> Pyre: tell BobaFett ubuhoary
[05:36] <Pyre> BobaFett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:36] <membreya> ooo a bot :D
[05:36] <derJunior> meuserj|work: i really like the "j" and "q" funktion and none of them you can use with rythmbox
[05:36] <apokryphos> membreya: sweet. I never changed mirrors. Though, mine always seems to go at max speed. Just around 496 kb/s
[05:36] <apokryphos> membreya: yes. :D
[05:36] <Mayr> umount /dev/fd0
[05:36] <Mayr> umount: /tmp/boot4930: device is busy
[05:36] <Mayr> umount: /tmp/boot4930: device is busy
[05:37] <membreya> Pyre: tell BobaFett wheretogo
[05:37] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'wheretogo' BobaFett
[05:37] <Mayr> why?
[05:37] <membreya> :P
[05:37] <apokryphos> membreya: hey!
[05:37] <apokryphos> :P
[05:37] <membreya> Pyre: tell chan hello
[05:37] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'hello' chan
[05:37] <apokryphos> He's very handy
[05:37] <membreya> mwuahaha
[05:37] <Deft> does it just do tell <thing>? no games or anything?
[05:37] <pierce> thanks guys
[05:37] <pierce> see y
[05:37] <pierce> aya
[05:37] <pierce> ya*
[05:37] <membreya> Pyre: flood channel
[05:37] <derJunior> hello
[05:37] <apokryphos> Deft: no games, sorry. ;-)
[05:37] <meuserj|work> derJunior, yeah, I can see that... But I don't need to jump to or queue a song often enough to miss it.. I just shuffle my music and listen to whatever comes up.
[05:37] <apokryphos> membreya: stop trying to use him for your evil deeds you.
[05:38] <membreya> >:)
[05:38] <derJunior> meuserj|work: hmkay that's a reason :)
[05:38] <universal> can someone tell me if its normal that "nvidia-settings" says i have CRT1 sreen when im using a Flatscreen ???
[05:38] <BobaFett> anyone> is Hoary as unstable as the wiki site says? I panicked xD
[05:38] <pierce> pyre: slap membreya
[05:38] <membreya> Pyre: take over the world!!!
[05:38] <apokryphos> BobaFett: not at all.
[05:38] <pierce> ;] 
[05:38] <Deft> BobaFett, Hoary today is as good as it's ever been
[05:38] <apokryphos> He'll never submit to your evil plans.
[05:38] <membreya> BobaFett: don't panic :)
[05:38] <Deft> BobaFett, everything is working very well
[05:38] <membreya> Pyre: make love to me you sexy bot
[05:38] <BobaFett> LOL okie...then I guess Ill try to update!
[05:38] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, it's more unstable than Debian Sid.. but it's usable.... I use it at work.
[05:38] <universal> can someone tell me if its normal that "nvidia-settings" says i have CRT1 sreen when im using a Flatscreen ???
[05:38] <awstott> hoary is stable... havn't had any probs with it
[05:39] <BobaFett> Ubuntu Warty was so stable (and pretty LOL) that I decided to uninstall WinXP...but Linux can be really scary for a Win user...
[05:39] <karsten> BobaFett: You're forgetting something.
[05:39] <BobaFett> so Im kinda scared to upgrade to betas...ive had bad experiences in the past xD
[05:39] <karsten> BobaFett: WinXP can be really scary for a Win user ;-)
[05:39] <apokryphos> BobaFett: it sure can; but, I think you chose a good distro to start with. Some others can be rather daunting.
[05:39] <membreya> BobaFett: the only thing I have windows for is transcoding xvid to mpeg2 to burn to DVD
[05:39] <directhex|work> universal, is it connected via VGA or DVI?
[05:39] <membreya> and I'm solving that
[05:40] <karsten> What's the current usability status of webmin in ubuntu?
[05:40] <membreya> as soon as that's done I'm ditching windows
[05:40] <jesus\> how can i unrar files with the default archive manager? When install unrar-nonfree?
[05:40] <quinton> why don't you use dvd::rip for dvds?
[05:40] <awstott> xp is evil.... just wait till you sit down at a 2k3 box that nothing works on
[05:40] <quinton> Linux has transcode, it's just not quite as good
[05:40] <karsten> BobaFett: Linux "beta" tends to be better than most Windows stable.
[05:40] <BobaFett> LOL come on, you guys are being too hard on poor ol' winxp...it aint that limited!
[05:40] <Xappe> well i've used hoary since late november and there has been some really annoying problems...but it's getting better and better...it's almost boring nowadays :)
[05:40] <universal> directhex|work, via the graphiccard
[05:40] <apokryphos> jesuel: rar x <packagename>
[05:40] <apokryphos> whoops
[05:40] <membreya> quinton: wouldn't that RIP the DVD ... I want to take a xvid file (600mb) and convert it to mpeg2 so I can MAKE a dvd
[05:40] <apokryphos> jesus\: rar x
[05:40] <meuserj|work> jesus\, if you install unrar-nonfree then file-roller should just work with rar files
[05:41] <membreya> Xappe: the first update to -4 was fun though :D
[05:41] <directhex|work> universal, what a totally useless answer. if you don't even know what plugs you're using, i don't think your'e qualified to suggest you know better than nvidia-settings
[05:41] <Xappe> membreya, yeah...nice with some cool lockups
[05:41] <universal> directhex|work, dvi
[05:41] <membreya> exactly
[05:41] <apokryphos> Wow. I upgraded about two days ago; a dist-upgrade wants to get 304 Megs of packages. New record.
[05:42] <membreya> gave the community a shakeup :)
[05:42] <hawke_> apokryphos: loads of changes the last couple of days.
[05:42] <awstott> guess I got some upgrades to do :)
[05:42] <membreya> it's a new array isn't it ? :)
[05:42] <erni> hi
[05:42] <directhex|work> universal, if it's over DVI, it should be saying it's on a flat pannel. this is proper DVI, not using a DVI-VGA dongle?
[05:42] <apokryphos> Yup, so I see. I wonder if the libGL/xorg problems have been sorted.
[05:42] <membreya> last 3 days I've downloaded about 140mb of updates
[05:42] <erni> how can i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.10?
[05:42] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell erni ubutweaking
[05:42] <Pyre> erni: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[05:43] <EndGame__> erni why would you want to do that?
[05:43] <apokryphos> EndGame__: erm, because it's the newest kernel?
[05:43] <erni> because ubuntu does not recognize my dvdrom
[05:43] <karsten> erni: aptitude install kernel-image-<version>
[05:43] <EndGame__> whats wrong with the one you have?
[05:43] <karsten> erni: ...reboot required.
[05:43] <BobaFett> guys.,.what do I do when packages have unresolved dependencies? I have to install required packages w/out synaptic??
[05:43] <membreya> Pyre: tell apokryphos to do his own work
[05:43] <Pyre> Can't recall any information associated with 'to do his own work' apokryphos
[05:43] <karsten> erni: Not sure 2.6.10 is available yet.
[05:43] <Xappe> membreya, i wasn't that pleased in the beginning when x broke down and I realized that I hadn't installed lynx so that I could not logon to the netlogon machine here
[05:43] <apokryphos> membreya: saves the hassle. ;-)
[05:43] <erni> karsten I need the repository to install the kernel image
[05:43] <membreya> BobaFett: apt-get install -f
[05:44] <abrotman> karsten: why do you keep following me? :)
[05:44] <shock> hm... is there a way to assign a metacity key to enable "resize window on mouse drag" ?
[05:44] <apokryphos> erni: see the link above; final step, I believe.
[05:44] <universal> directhex|work, its DVI-VGA
[05:44] <shock> i have a nice window borde, just its edges are so small i have to aim too much :P
[05:44] <karsten> erni: Should be in your current sources.  If it's available, you can install it.  If it's not, ubuntu haven't released it yet.
[05:44] <directhex|work> universal, or in other words it's on VGA. in which case it's a boring 1960s analog connection.
[05:44] <karsten> abrotman: I'm trying to get my bra back.
[05:44] <BobaFett> permission denied...but im supposed to be root!
[05:44] <membreya> Xappe: you couldn't do an apt-get ? :)
[05:44] <directhex|work> universal, i.e. it's correct to identify it as a CRT
[05:44] <abrotman> karsten: i gave it to greycat
[05:45] <karsten> BobaFett: 'whoami' shows who you are.
[05:45] <membreya> BobaFett: lol use sudo :P
[05:45] <Xappe> membreya, exactly
[05:45] <karsten> abrotman: You bra slut.
[05:45] <abrotman> karsten: you left it in my channel
[05:45] <BobaFett> membreya> ok...it did something xD
[05:45] <karsten> abrotman: Ah.  So it's the old "he dressed so alluringly I couldn't help myself" defense.
[05:46] <suzyq> i'm trying to help a new Ubuntu user (and i use redhat). he installed ubuntu, and now his XP partition borks.  Does Ubuntu default to grub? when I look at /boot/grub/menu.lst, it doesn't match the output from fdisk -l.
[05:46] <karsten> BobaFett: if there are unresolved deps, in general, the packaging system is saving you from shooting yourself in the foot.
[05:46] <membreya> advice i gave worked BobaFett ?!?
[05:46] <abrotman> karsten: yeah .. pretty much
[05:46] <universal> directhex|work, ok, but u know something about how to configure the graphiccard as it lags when playing games over Cedega
[05:46] <froust> anyone know how well a sblive! 24 bit plays with linux?
[05:46] <Weems> Can I copy 3 files to a floppy all at once?
[05:46] <karsten> BobaFett: ...and wheres' this "permission denied" thing coming from.
[05:46] <plx> is anyone using the smp kernel on a pentium cpu with hyperthreading? is that a good idea?
[05:46] <suzyq> which makes me think grub is pulling its menu.lst from somewhere else.
[05:46] <membreya> Weems: cp *
[05:46] <karsten> abrotman: remind me not to wear miniskirts around you.
[05:47] <karsten> abrotman: ...then again, I'm not too likely to do that anyway.
[05:47] <abrotman> karsten: why? .. i like them
[05:47] <karsten> froust: Most SB cards are pretty well supported.
[05:47] <Xappe> karsten, check your cedega.conf so that it uses all your video ram
[05:47] <BobaFett> karsten> im trying to install a package, but the required package to install it cant be obtained (thats what I think it says)...
[05:47] <karsten> abrotman: On 6'2" 250# gusy?
[05:47] <karsten> abrotman: s/sy/ys/
[05:47] <BobaFett> karsten> but I gave universe access to synaptic, so Im kinda lost here
[05:47] <karsten> BobaFett: What package?
[05:48] <abrotman> karsten: oh .. long legs too!
[05:48] <BobaFett> gstreamer0.8-mad for mp3 xXD
[05:48] <karsten> BobaFett: ...Note after you modify your sources list, you need to update your package list.
[05:48] <froust> karsten: thanks.
[05:48] <universal> Directhex|work, i cant figure out what the specific problems is that causes laggy game-playing
[05:48] <karsten> abrotman: No, that was my brother.  I've got a tall torso.
[05:48] <BobaFett> karsten> yep,. i did
[05:48] <karsten> BobaFett: what package?
[05:48] <karsten> BobaFett: NM.
[05:48] <abrotman> karsten: oh ok
[05:48] <karsten> BobaFett: What are the failed deps?
[05:49] <apal> Hi again ! Who know if there is a way to get 3D accel in Warty with a Radeon M6 LY ?
[05:49] <BobaFett> karsten> hold on, i just added ALL deps to synaptic...let see if I still get that error
[05:49] <BobaFett> BINGO! xD
[05:50] <BobaFett> oh, first issue of linux I solve myself...oh...tears come to my eyes...LOL
[05:50] <Weems> membreya, cp * then all the files?
[05:50] <BobaFett> Thanks for your help, karsten!
[05:50] <karsten> BobaFett: I mostly use aptitude, not synaptic, but if they're similar, you can go through...
[05:50] <membreya> Weems: cp * copies all files in a dir
[05:50] <karsten> BobaFett: Coolio.
[05:50] <karsten> BobaFett: It gets addictive.
[05:50] <dullin> Just wait till you need to fix stuff that you compile BobaFett
[05:50] <dullin> Now that's another matter ;-)
[05:50] <karsten> membreya: ...not if you've got 79000+ of 'em  ;-)
[05:51] <Weems> membreya, I tried that on my other machine and it couldnt copy the files to the floppy although it appeared to have worke
[05:51] <Xappe> universal, have you checked your cedega configuration file?
[05:51] <hubert> hi! how to make update-grub detect splash image? where the image should be located and on what name ?
[05:51] <karsten> membreya: more accurately:  '*' globs to all current files.  Whether the shell has enough argument space is another question.  That's where xargs is your friend.
[05:51] <mirak> is there a way to have an interactive boot with ubuntu ?
[05:51] <Xappe> universal, could be that it's using only a part of your total video ram
[05:51] <membreya> hubert: AFAIK splash screens dont work
[05:51] <BobaFett> dullin> stuff I compile??? LOL thats a loong way to go !
[05:51] <mirak> I want to choose which service I want to run or not
[05:51] <dullin> what do you mean interactive boot?
[05:51] <membreya> karsten: you're talking to a 2 week veteran here :P
[05:51] <karsten> mirak: Yes.  GRUB.
[05:51] <apokryphos> There's a link to the tutorial here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
[05:52] <karsten> membreya: NP.
[05:52] <karsten> membreya: You're talking to an 18 year veteran here.
[05:52] <abrotman> who looks good in a skirt!
[05:52] <Funraiser> 2 week veteran here too ;-)
[05:52] <BobaFett> Ok...lets reboot...
[05:52] <karsten> abrotman: Heh.
[05:52] <Funraiser> i don't
[05:52] <abrotman> karsten: and you make me feel like i don't know anything .. and i'm so young
[05:52] <mirak> karsten: I am not talking about this boot
[05:53] <karsten> mirak: OK, what *are* you talking about....?
[05:53] <karsten> abrotman: You make me feel so old...
[05:53] <spiral> hi
[05:53] <abrotman> karsten: i dont think you're that much older than me .. maybe 10 yrs
[05:53] <membreya-aWay> night people :)
[05:53] <apokryphos> 'night
[05:53] <Funraiser> night
[05:53] <mirak> I talk about the mode where you can choose wich service you want to run
[05:53] <abrotman> update-rc.d ?
[05:53] <karsten> abrotman: 36.
[05:53] <mirak> karsten: you can say yes or no to some services
[05:54] <mirak> during the boot sequence
[05:54] <universal> Xappe, hi again, i typed 256 VRAM as my geforce6800 gt is using it
[05:54] <universal> Xappe, AGP 128
[05:54] <karsten> mirak: Ah.  RH's sysV init has a trick for that. Not sure ubuntu/Debian do by default.
[05:54] <mirak> karsten: mandrake have that too
[05:54] <abrotman> karsten: you're not even 10 older
[05:55] <karsten> mirak: You can boot single and run services from /etc/init.d/ manually (or /etc/rc?.d/
[05:55] <mirak> I though it was standart on linux karsten
[05:55] <mirak> karsten: ok I will do that
[05:55] <mirak> karsten: how to boot single ?
[05:55] <karsten> mirak: Heh.  There's a lot of stuff that's pretty variable.
[05:55] <karsten> abrotman: The were high-mileage years.
[05:55] <karsten> mirak: at boot prompt:  'single'
[05:55] <Xappe> universal, and it won't do any good?
[05:55] <abrotman> karsten: i know the feeling
[05:55] <kim1> how do I bypass the 'bios' loading and drop directly into shell?
[05:56] <EndGame__> karsten, /etc/init.d/<daemon name> start
[05:56] <meuserj|work> why is it that every time I upgrade x.org, it attempts to re-configure X three times....
[05:56] <karsten> kim1: Rewrite the bios.
[05:56] <universal> Xappe, should i remove the gcore and dri only from the xfree86 ?
[05:56] <karsten> EndGame__: Yes?
[05:56] <kim1> how do I do this?
[05:56] <Loiosh> What exactly are you looking for, Kim?
[05:56] <Xappe> universal, dunno
[05:56] <karsten> kim1: Learn microcode.
[05:56] <kim1> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the BIOS and drop directly into the shell?
[05:56] <meuserj|work> kim1, you cannot skip the bios
[05:56] <fgx> who can obtain a userpage on the wiki? only developers?
[05:56] <Loiosh> The BIOS is on your motherboard
[05:57] <Loiosh> It is encoded on the CMOS and cannot be changed by you.
[05:57] <kim1> ok not the bios but the load procedure?
[05:57] <BobaFett> people...i cant seem to get root access (i cant delete a damn folder!)...any suggestions?>
[05:57] <EndGame> like
[05:57] <Loiosh> There you are, that's a little better =)
[05:57] <EndGame> how can you not start X when you boot?
[05:57] <karsten> kim1: You're asking the wrong question
[05:57] <karsten> kim1: *Don't* overdiagnose your problems.
[05:57] <apokryphos> BobaFett: ubuntu uses sudo. You have to manually set up an actual root account if you want one. See the site.
[05:57] <kim1> ok
[05:57] <EndGame> just press <ctrl> <alt> <F2> when you get to gdm
[05:57] <kim1> so it won
[05:57] <kim1> 't boot
[05:57] <BobaFett> will do !
[05:57] <kim1> into Ubuntu
[05:57] <EndGame> youll switch to a tty
[05:57] <Loiosh> What happens, will GRub come up, Kim?
[05:57] <Chipzz> kim1: try recovery mode?
[05:57] <karsten> kim1: 'single' at boot should give you a basic single-user session.  If that doesn't work, there's other options.
[05:58] <EndGame> AndyR, magicly, F2-F6 are all different ttys
[05:58] <EndGame> isnt linux great?
[05:58] <kim1> it loads and tries to load the netatalk and then a kernal panic error shows and then reboots
[05:58] <karsten> Chipzz: What's ubunutu's recovery mode boot?
[05:58] <suzyq> EndGame: change /etc/inittab  id:5:initdefault to id:3:initdefault
[05:58] <EndGame> what>?
[05:58] <meuserj|work> karsten, it's just Single user mode
[05:58] <EndGame> im not asking anything
[05:58] <EndGame> :-)
[05:58] <EndGame> i know all
[05:58] <EndGame> I am root
[05:58] <karsten> EndGame: Heh.  I was demonstrating multiple TTYs, screen, and ssh (with more screens) to a bunch of HS kids yesterday.  Confusion.
[05:58] <EndGame> oh man
[05:58] <EndGame> i love it
[05:58] <karsten> meuserj|work: Thanks.  I'm more familiar w/ straight debian.
[05:59] <kim1> so how do I go into recovery mode?
[05:59] <EndGame> ive installed ubuntu on 3 computers today
[05:59] <EndGame> for people new to linux, this is great!
[05:59] <apokryphos> :)
[05:59] <EndGame> i love it, it literally "Just works"
[05:59] <EndGame> brb
[05:59] <Loiosh> Hehe End =)
[05:59] <Loiosh> Glad to hear everything's going well
[05:59] <karsten> EndGame: Yeah.  I had 'em ssh'd into the box I was configuring, running 'screen -rx'
[05:59] <Chipzz> karsten: for each kernel, you have 2 entries in the grub menu
[05:59] <karsten> EndGame: ...to follow along.  They sort of had their minds stretched.
[06:00] <karsten> Chipzz: OK.
[06:00] <kim1> karsten: how do I go into single user mode?
[06:00] <suzyq> EndGame: i'm trying to help a new ubuntu user, it didn't "just work" for him.
[06:00] <karsten> kim1: 'recovery' or 'rescue' boot, as above.
[06:00] <meuserj|work> karsten, screen is awesome
[06:00] <suzyq> his XP partition doesn't boot now.
[06:01] <meuserj|work> kim1, you have to hit escape in order to get the GRUB menu
[06:01] <Loiosh> No need to hate on his enthusiasm, Suz =)
[06:01] <karsten> kim1: If *that* doesn't work, you can pass:  'init=/bin/bash' to _just_ run a bash shell.  Which bypasses pretty much *all* startup, but leaves you with a system you've got to work carefully with.
[06:01] <kim1> karsten: is this a command? when do I enter it? it seems like there is no prompt when it boots
[06:01] <spiral> Riddell: hi... hmmm... just for notice : amaroK 1.2.1 out
[06:01] <kim1> is this on the install disc?
[06:01] <karsten> kim1: ...or <shift>.  At boot (GRUB menu).
[06:01] <suzyq> Loiosh: i guess i'm trying to snare one of you insto answering some questions
[06:02] <karsten> kim1: No, should be your standard GRUB boot screen.
[06:02] <meuserj|work> kim1, just before it loads linux, hit escape... or shift.. to get the grub menu up
[06:02] <Loiosh> There's this quick flash when your computer is starting, after the BIOS beep
[06:02] <kim1> GRUB? explain?
[06:02] <apokryphos> spiral: Yup, I'm sure it's quite a mission keeping up with amarok releases for repos. ;-)
[06:02] <Loiosh> Kim, hold shift / escape after the BIOS beep
[06:02] <Riddell> spiral: bastards :)
[06:02] <spiral> aplsin: yeah, I know...
[06:02] <meuserj|work> suzyq, does WinXP show on his grub menu?
[06:02] <spiral> Riddell: lol... Yeah... They do quite a lot of updates :-p
[06:02] <suzyq> i've looked at his /boot/grub/menu.lst, and it doesn't match well with fdisk -l output. i'm trying to figure out whats wrong.
[06:02] <kim1> Loiosh: shift + escape? I'm on a iBook btw
[06:02] <suzyq> meuserj|work: yes
[06:02] <Loiosh> Oh
[06:03] <suzyq> but it borks when he tries to go there.
[06:03] <Loiosh> Wow, I have zero experience with a mac. And no, not shift -and- escape. I meant shift -or- escape
[06:03] <meuserj|work> suzyq, how does it bork?  is there an error?
[06:03] <kim1> ok
[06:03] <kim1> will try
[06:03] <BobaFett> god, this folder's starting to get on my nerves...i cant delete it, but it says my username under 'owner'!!!!
[06:03] <abrotman> and why can't you delete it ?
[06:04] <BobaFett> i dont have permission...
[06:04] <BobaFett> weird...
[06:04] <suzyq> meuserj|work: The Session Manager Initialization system process
[06:04] <suzyq> terminated unexpectedly with a status of 0xc000003a
[06:04] <suzyq> (0x00000000 0x00000000). The system has been shut
[06:04] <suzyq> down."
[06:04] <abrotman> BobaFett: whoami .. make sure it matches
[06:04] <karsten> suzyq: That sounds like an XP problem, post-boot.
[06:04] <apokryphos> BobaFett: use sudo
[06:04] <BobaFett> abrotman> yep, it does!
[06:04] <vash_the_stamped> hello all
[06:04] <karsten> suzyq: What does XP show prior to that?
[06:04] <vash_the_stamped> anyone speak french ?
[06:04] <BobaFett> apokryphos> yep, i did ...
[06:04] <suzyq> karsten: prior?
[06:04] <meuserj|work> ouch... that is beyond my realm of expertese...
[06:05] <apokryphos> vash_the_stamped: I think #ubuntu-fr exists
[06:05] <kim1> what does GRUB stand for?
[06:05] <vash_the_stamped> yes but nobody speak
[06:05] <vash_the_stamped> in ubuntu fr
[06:05] <karsten> suzyq: Describe what happens between starting to boot XP and that final error.
[06:05] <meuserj|work> GRand Unified Bootloader
[06:05] <karsten> suzyq: Do you see the MSFT boot screen?
[06:05] <floater> question about vmware: can I install gtk runtime environments to my quest OS (windows)? http://www.dropline.net/gtk/download.php
[06:05] <suzyq> karsten: i'm not sure how far it got in the boot process
[06:05] <Loiosh> It's an XP protection error when the boot sector gets changed.
[06:05] <karsten> suzyq: Well, I know less.
[06:05] <karsten> suzyq: You're going to need that info.
[06:06] <suzyq> karsten: i'm trying to help someone else, so, i'm not in front of the screen.
[06:06] <apokryphos> BobaFett: I find that very hard to believe. Root permission deletions don't get rejected unless the command's wrong
[06:06] <Loiosh> It's to prevent programs (like GRUB) from being added to the boot sector
[06:06] <karsten> suzyq: I'm not either.
[06:06] <BobaFett> apokryphos> then probably the command's wrong...
[06:06] <karsten> suzyq: It's *really* hard to troubleshoot w/o full info.
[06:06] <BobaFett> lemme check *blush*
[06:06] <kim1> ah thanks! I typed in help at the load...is this not the route to single user/recovery mode?
[06:06] <apokryphos> BobaFett: what is it you're trying to delete here?
[06:06] <suzyq> karsten: yup, especially since i'm a redhat user. :-)
[06:07] <Loiosh> Suz: You'll have to tell whomever it is to boot into the recovery cd (recovery CONSOLE option) and run fixmbr, then fixboot
[06:07] <Loiosh> Which, I will note, will kill GRUB
[06:07] <BobaFett> apokryphos> just a folder from desktopppp
[06:08] <BobaFett> apokryphos> but it has a lock in its icon...
[06:08] <Mayr> Which themes run in ubuntu? GTK 1 or GTK 2
[06:08] <kim1> Loiosh: how does one boot into the recovery cd?
[06:08] <karsten> suzyq: Modem bounce, missed the last minute.
[06:08] <apokryphos> BobaFett: rm -rf <foldername>
[06:08] <karsten> suzyq: 09:06 < karsten> suzyq: It's *really* hard to troubleshoot w/o full info.
[06:08] <Loiosh> I'm answering Suz, Kim =)
[06:08] <Loiosh> Your question is different
[06:08] <apokryphos> BobaFett: be careful with that command! It won't prompt you to delete it.
[06:08] <kim1> yeah I know but I think it pertains to my prob as well
[06:08] <floater> ./usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libredmond95.so
[06:09] <BobaFett> apokryphos> spooky...ok...careful...
[06:09] <suzyq> karsten: yes, i'll try to find out more, it's hard for me because i'm a redhat user. :-)
[06:09] <Loiosh> Only if your XP partition isn't working anymore.
[06:09] <apokryphos> BobaFett: it's always a good idea to check the man page if you're having problems with a command. man <command>
[06:09] <Loiosh> This problem is seperate from linux =)
[06:10] <karsten> suzyq: Well, boot process is largely distro independent.  Particularly if you're booting XP.
[06:10] <BobaFett> apokryphos> didnt work...I was at terminal, typed the command where the folder was, and it didnt get deleted
[06:10] <apokryphos> BobaFett: what did you type, and what was the error message?
[06:10] <karsten> suzyq: Might want to try a Safe Mode boot <f8> as XP starts.
[06:10] <meuserj|work> BobaFett, hit ctl-R
[06:10] <dazed> whhats the copy file code
[06:10] <dazed> cf -R /source/ /dest
[06:10] <dazed> ??
[06:11] <suzyq> Loiosh: so, after fixmbr, and fixboot, grub will not be the bootmanager.
[06:11] <apokryphos> dazed: you mean command? It's cp
[06:11] <Loiosh> That's correct. It'll remove Grub from the boot sector
[06:11] <BobaFett> apokryphos> I typed rm -rf foldername
[06:11] <Loiosh> But, it'll make XP happy.
[06:11] <BobaFett> apokryphos> no error messages...but no result either
[06:11] <dazed> yes...but i cant read it apokryphos cuz my xchat fucked up ill brb
[06:11] <suzyq> karsten: there are 2 different windows selections in the bootlist. i assume one is the "safe mode"
[06:11] <jono> I am trying to remove apache2-mpm-prefork and it keeps failing saying invoke-rc.d cannot stop apache2 - it is not running, and I am unable to start it - how can I fix this?
[06:11] <suzyq> karsten: he's tried both with similar results.
[06:12] <apokryphos> BobaFett: have you first changed to the directory that the folder is in?
[06:12] <apokryphos> BobaFett: cd Desktop
[06:12] <dazed> alright say that again?
[06:12] <BobaFett> apokryphos> sure did...
[06:12] <apokryphos> dazed: it's cp
[06:12] <dazed> cp
[06:12] <dazed> damn
[06:12] <dazed> i was doing cf
[06:12] <dazed> lol
[06:12] <Loiosh> Suz: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;156669
[06:12] <suzyq> Loiosh: but doesn't make me happy. cause then he's not running linux. he'll have to reinstall.
[06:13] <Loiosh> "How to troubleshoot a "STOP 0xC000021A" error"
[06:13] <kim1> ok I'm at a point in the load where it says
[06:13] <meuserj|work> jono, you could modify the rc script to exit true when stop is invoked...
[06:13] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Heh. Ok. Type ls. Does that show the folder there?
[06:13] <apokryphos> BobaFett: it might just be an issue of the Desktop not refreshing.
[06:13] <kim1> 'Please wait, loading kernal'...how do I get into recovery mode?
[06:13] <karsten> suzyq: No, safe mode isn't a GRUB boot option.  It's something you initiate *during* the Windows boot process by hitting <f8>
[06:13] <dazed> www.google.com
[06:13] <suzyq> karsten: ah, ok.
[06:13] <karsten> suzyq: You'd need to post /boot/grub/menu.lst for me to figure out what he's got going on.
[06:14] <BobaFett> apokryphos> wait... i type ls, and it shows 'desktop'
[06:14] <apokryphos> dazed: you could always go for konversation, btw. ;-)
[06:14] <apokryphos> BobaFett: what does pwd give?
[06:14] <kim1> anyone?
[06:14] <Loiosh> Suz: The microsoft solutions for that problem are at the URL I gave.
[06:14] <BobaFett> apokryphos> but im sure the path is correct
[06:14] <chillywilly> anyone know if it is possible to get multiple vnc displays on windows xp?
[06:14] <BobaFett> apokryphos> /home/myuser !!!!!! but im sure I typed the path correctly!
[06:15] <evarlast> chillywilly: not like terminal services, no.
[06:15] <BobaFett> apokryphos> i used /home/myuser/desktop ...
[06:15] <jono> meuserj|work, good idea
[06:15] <apokryphos> BobaFett: heh. Note that Linux is case-sensitive
[06:15] <apokryphos> BobaFett: it's "Desktop"
[06:15] <BobaFett> apokryphos> I noticed xD ... but I still cant get inside the desktop folderr...
[06:15] <apokryphos> so.... cd Desktop
[06:15] <apokryphos> then type pwd to clarify you're in there.
[06:16] <bjron> greetings
[06:16] <awstott> hooray for windows..... http://www.astalavista.com/images/gallery/ad_error.jpg
[06:16] <apokryphos> hah
[06:16] <kim1> I have a kernal panic after trying to install netatalk via synaptic package manager...now it won't boot into Linux...how do I bypass the GRUB menu and drop directly recovery/single user mdoe??
[06:16] <kim1> mode
[06:16] <suzyq> karsten: i tried to DCC menu.lst to you.
[06:17] <BobaFett> apokryphos> rm -rf foldername at desktop, right?
[06:17] <BobaFett> apokryphos> it wont delete it...
[06:17] <apokryphos> BobaFett: once you've successfully altered the location. Obviously, change <foldername> with the actual folder name ;-)
[06:17] <apokryphos> BobaFett: what does it say?
[06:17] <Loiosh> Hehe, folder
[06:17] <Loiosh> ..directory =)
[06:17] <apokryphos> Ah yes. The Windoze effect.
[06:18] <meuserj|work> jono, you're jono from lugradio aren't you?
[06:18] <BobaFett> apokryphos> LOl it did, now Im felipe@slave1~/desktop !
[06:18] <BobaFett> apokryphos> it doesnt say anything...i type rm -rf foldername and it does nothing...
[06:18] <apokryphos> BobaFett: Excellent. However, I'm pretty sure that should be Desktop, unless you changed the name...
[06:18] <kim1> anyone know how to get into recovery mode? do I do this from the CD install?
[06:18] <Echylo> hello, I try ubuntu on a very old pc, and it won't even boot the cd
[06:18] <Echylo> any idea why not?
[06:19] <Scrummie> hi, anybody got some time for a noob?
[06:19] <Loiosh> The BIOS has to support boot-from-cd, Echylo
[06:19] <Echylo> yes
[06:19] <Echylo> it does Loiosh
[06:19] <BobaFett> EchyLo> try changing the video card. That worked for me.
[06:19] <apokryphos> BobaFett: A good guide for getting started.
[06:19] <Echylo> It's an oold
[06:19] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell BobaFett rute
[06:19] <Pyre> BobaFett: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[06:19] <Echylo> pc
[06:19] <Echylo> I aint spending money at it
[06:19] <Echylo> :)
[06:19] <Echylo> it's a 15 mb
[06:19] <Echylo> ram
[06:19] <Echylo> :D
[06:19] <Loiosh> Heh
[06:19] <bjron> got a small issue w/ X, I've got one of those 17" widescreen laptops, and the resolution should be 1440x900, but when I installed ubuntu it was set to 1400x1050.  the interesting thing here is that all modes listed in my XF86Config-4 file are indeed 1440x900
[06:19] <meuserj|work> kim1, no.. do it from the GRUB menu.. have you gotten the GRUB menu up yet?
[06:19] <BobaFett> thanks man...checking that url
[06:20] <Loiosh> Are you -sure- it'll boot from a CD? =)
[06:20] <Echylo> :d
[06:20] <Scrummie> should iwlist eth1 scanning give some accesspoints within range?
[06:20] <apokryphos> BobaFett: it's quite long, but it's one of the best out there.
[06:20] <kim1> it loaded and now I am in Please wait, loading kernal
[06:20] <bjron> any ideas why X might be choosing other resolutions?
[06:20] <kim1> with a prompt
[06:20] <apokryphos> BobaFett: not all of it is necessary; most of it is good just as a reference guide. Shows you command basics, however.
[06:20] <BobaFett> awesome :) ... but...yep...its loooooooooooooooong
[06:20] <Echylo> ok
[06:21] <kim1> how do I get to the GRUN window?
[06:21] <Echylo> so would freebsd work?
[06:21] <kim1> GRUB
[06:21] <kim1> meuserj|work: how do I get to the GRUB window?
[06:22] <Loiosh> If you're having trouble booting from a CD, my first suggestion would be to try another cd
[06:22] <meuserj|work> kim1, hit escape just before the kernel would load.. you should get a list of all the kernels on the system.
[06:22] <Loiosh> Like the ULive one.
[06:22] <kim1> yes I did
[06:22] <kim1> I cvan tab and it shows me Linux: old
[06:22] <meuserj|work> there should be one that says "recovery mode" or something.
[06:22] <kim1> nope
[06:22] <kim1> nada
[06:22] <Echylo> tell me an os which will work on a vry old pc
[06:22] <Scrummie> anybody here with a wireless network?
[06:22] <meuserj|work> kim1, ok.. .just a sec
[06:23] <kim1> thanks a million! I'd dead in the water until I get this fixed! :)
[06:23] <Loiosh> Something like feather, Echylo
[06:23] <Scrummie> nobody with wireless network?
[06:23] <Scrummie> :/
[06:23] <Echylo> ?
[06:23] <Echylo> feather?
[06:24] <kim1> meuserj|work: btw: I'm still in the yaboot mode
[06:24] <kim1> so I am assuming this is not GRUB
[06:24] <Loiosh> I heard it mentioned this morning. You may want to hit up the Wikipedia for a list of distributions for older computers
[06:24] <meuserj|work> kim1, crap... you're right...  I forgot you said this was a powerbook
[06:24] <djp> hi all
[06:24] <meuserj|work> kim1, therefore, it is not grub.. so I can't really help you
[06:24] <Echylo> ok thanks matey
[06:24] <kim1> actually an iBook -- same thing basically
[06:24] <kim1> so GRUB is a PC thing?
[06:25] <djp> quick question. mozplugger or mplayerplug-in?
[06:25] <meuserj|work> kim1, you need to figure out how to give the kernel command line options
[06:25] <meuserj|work> and give it the option "single"
[06:25] <cocol> djp hoary?
[06:25] <meuserj|work> kim1, before booting.. that will do the trick.. I don't know enough about yaboot to step you through it
[06:25] <Scrummie> nobody with wifi ?
[06:25] <kim1> ok thanks
[06:25] <mjr> kim1, yes; they're apparently working on making it more portable, but that's the current situation
[06:25] <cocol> warty >mozplugger
[06:26] <kim1> anyone know how to drop into command line from yaboot on an iBook?
[06:26] <djp> colcol: reasons?
[06:27] <Loiosh> I'm looking for dists, Echylo
[06:27] <karsten> kim1: Ask simonrvn in #debian.
[06:27] <Loiosh> FYI
[06:27] <kim1> ok thanks!
[06:27] <cocol> for me in warty mozplugger is stable and guick start of sound
[06:27] <Loiosh> Echylo: Are you looking to do something with it, or just run it as a firewall?
[06:27] <cocol> hoary >mozilla-mplayer
[06:28] <hedu> Hi guys! I'm looking for help to get an external monitor working
[06:28] <Loiosh> Actually
[06:28] <djp> cocol: i have installed both xine and mplayer. i really do not want to use totem for multimedia due to it's temperamental nature. what do you use to view media streams when browsing the web?
[06:28] <Raksu> is there same kind of dpkg system like in debian on ubuntu?
[06:29] <Loiosh> Yes, it is apt-based, Raksu
[06:29] <cocol> djp mplayer and realpl
[06:29] <d1zz1> hi all, I'm trying to get Java3D working on JDK1.5 - anyone got it working? I already have it working fine on my Fedora box using JDK1.4.2....
[06:29] <Raksu> ok.. does it use same packages than debian?
[06:29] <djp> cocol: and mplayer works using mozplugger?
[06:29] <Loiosh> No, it uses Ubuntu packages based on your version (warty / horty)
[06:29] <cocol> apt-get install mplayer-586 mplayer-fonts mozilla-mplayer
[06:30] <Lysit> how do you launch gnone from the terminal, just installed Ubuntu and it launched straight into terminal after updating
[06:31] <Loiosh> startx
[06:31] <mjr> then there's a problem with the X server setup, since if it worked, it'd start automatically
[06:31] <karsten> Lysit: terminal == console?
[06:31] <mjr> (I'm off to the bus, tho)
[06:31] <karsten> suzyq: Um.  Sec.
[06:31] <Lysit> Karsten, er yes I think
[06:31] <karsten> suzyq: Post to #flood
[06:31] <karsten> suzyq: menu.lst
[06:32] <Raksu> Loiosh: ok.. is there any major differences to debian?
[06:32] <karsten> Lysit: OK.  "terminal" usually means "terminal window" within an X session.  "console" == text-mode, nongraphical display.
[06:32] <mjr> *cough*
[06:32] <Loiosh> Major? I wouldn't say major
[06:33] <trust> I should give people free root access to a linux terminal in my town =(
[06:33] <mjr> "console" = the primary user I/O-interface of a box (monitor, keyboard, possibly mouse)
[06:33] <trust> I wonder how long it would take for someone to kill it =(
[06:33] <karsten> Loiosh: Well, if it doesn't work at all, I'd consider it major.  Tough for a n00b too.
[06:33] <Raksu> Loiosh: ok.. i should be familiar also with ubuntu because used debian for several years now
[06:33] <Loiosh> Ubuntu is a... different take on Debian. They're familiar, yes.
[06:34] <Loiosh> The difference is in the design and applications, Rak, the debian-ness is all there. =)
[06:34] <karsten> Lysit: Anyhow, 'startx' should spew a bunch of stuff onto console, particularly if X ("GNOME") doesn't start.  The last few lines should be error messages of some sort.
[06:34] <Tux-Rox> Anyone have any luck getting the address lookup applet working on Hoary? I can't get it to work at all....
[06:34] <karsten> Loiosh: IME, the debianness is _mostly_ there.  I've found a few holes.
[06:35] <apokryphos> Raksu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[06:35] <dazed> hey...so to copy a file from one place its cp right?
[06:35] <Loiosh> Yes, dazed
[06:35] <apokryphos> dazed: it is. See man cp.
[06:35] <karsten> dazed: yes.
[06:35] <karsten> dazed: 'man cp'
[06:35] <Lysit> I got error 2 (ernno 2 or something really) what ever thats about
[06:36] <Loiosh> That's actually what sold me on finally deciding to try linux again.
[06:36] <karsten> Loiosh: But you read it for the articles, right?
[06:36] <Loiosh> Oh yes =)
[06:36] <hawke_> I read it for the pictures.
[06:36] <Raksu> is there grub or lilo on default booter on ub ;)?
[06:37] <Loiosh> grub
[06:37] <karsten> Raksu: GRUB defaults.
[06:37] <Loiosh> Time for food!
[06:37] <Raksu> damn.. i like more of lilo :)
[06:37] <karsten> Loiosh: food for time.
[06:37] <Raksu> but it can be changed..
[06:37] <hedu> can anyone help with getting an external monitor to work?
[06:37] <hawke_> those ubuntu-calendar peoples are hawt.
[06:37] <Loiosh> Gotta go! bye
[06:38] <MaxeyPad> Perhaps I'm in the wrong channel for this, if so does anyone know of a good way to implement a global address book so multiple users can access the address book that will work with Evolution?
[06:38] <dazed> anyone in here framilliar with fluxbox?
[06:40] <Tux-Rox> MaxeyPad, I think the guys over at Novell are working on this with the new Hula project. Go to irc.gnome.org and into the #evolution channel and ask there.
[06:40] <MaxeyPad> Thanks a lot
[06:40] <MaxeyPad> Open source support wins again
[06:40] <Tux-Rox> NP, yup....
[06:40] <Lysit> ok, as sudo -s
[06:40] <Lysit> > startx
[06:40] <Lysit> > Using Authority file home/finch/.xauthority
[06:40] <Lysit> > Writing Authority file home/finch/.xauthority
[06:40] <Lysit> > Writing Authority file home/finch/.xauthority
[06:40] <Lysit> > Using Authority file home/finch/.xauthority
[06:40] <damageco> Yapi Yop !
[06:40] <Lysit> > xinit: Server Error
[06:41] <Tux-Rox> MaxeyPad, There is a #hula channel here as well. Ask there first
[06:41] <scizzo> Lysit: *shrug* starting X with a root user?
[06:41] <dazed> if anyone is framilliar with blackbox or fluxbox
[06:41] <dazed>  i need help installing a style
[06:42] <scizzo> dazed: isn't that documented somewhere?
[06:42] <PacoBCN> Wow, big updates today in repos!
[06:42] <dazed> not on the fluxbox site or when i google i dont get a direct response
[06:43] <dazed> gtk-nutella got updated right?
[06:43] <PacoBCN> somehow one of the upgrades make me uninstall apache-php-mod
[06:44] <scizzo> dazed: /usr/share/fluxbox/styles/ ?
[06:44] <dazed> well i got the style in the style folder
[06:44] <dazed> but
[06:44] <dazed> its not showing up on my menu
[06:44] <scizzo> dazed: restarted Fluxbox?
[06:45] <cocol> its update day
[06:45] <dazed> yeah
[06:45] <dazed> but
[06:45] <dazed> i figured it out
[06:45] <dazed> it was pulling it from /usr/share/ and not ~/.fluxbox/
[06:46] <scizzo> ok
[06:48] <hedu> running ubuntu NEED help with monitor
[06:50] <goldfish_> dazed: Sorry, I forgot to tell you that yesterday.
[06:51] <dazed> tell me what
[06:51] <dazed> awit dont tell me ill brb
[06:51] <Weems> whats the root password on the warty livecd?
[06:52] <pauldaoust> hey, people of the world... I assume that if I switch my motherboard, Ubuntu won't have too much trouble finding and using all the new modules, eh?
[06:52] <goldfish_> dazed: about it reading it from that file
[06:52] <dazed> ok goldfish u can tell me now
[06:52] <goldfish_> the fluxbox styles thing
[06:52] <dazed> yeah well i got that
[06:52] <dazed> but the backgrounds are not working
[06:53] <apokryphos> hedu: what is the problem?
[06:53] <dazed> brb im going to restart see if it takes effect after that
[06:53] <hedu> I have a laptop and want to have an external monitor
[06:54] <hedu> when i plug in the monitor i see all boot messages as soon as x starts  it turns black
[06:54] <apokryphos> hedu: you will possibly have to reconfigure your x, I'd imagine.
[06:54] <hedu> ok how
[06:55] <apokryphos> hedu: do you know whether you are using xfree or xorg?
[06:55] <dazed> goldfish: i downloaded this style and i read the style and i put the backgrounds folder it came with in my .fluxbox folder
[06:55] <dazed> erad this line is it supposed to bet here
[06:56] <dazed> rootCommand:    xv -quit -root -rmode 5 ~/.fluxbox/backgrounds/sid_digital_she.$
[06:56] <kbrooks> hedu, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for xfree
[06:56] <hedu> yeah xfree
[06:56] <dazed> $ is replaced by .jpg
[06:56] <apokryphos> hedu: you can use the command: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:56] <goldfish_> dazed: emm
[06:56] <goldfish_> dazed: dunno :)
[06:56] <goldfish_> dazed: Can u get any backgrounds to work?
[06:56] <dazed> no
[06:56] <goldfish_> k
[06:56] <dazed> i think its gnome
[06:57] <hedu> ok i try
[06:57] <goldfish_> I'll give it a bash
[06:57] <goldfish_> and see if i get it to work
[06:57] <dazed> gratzi
[06:57] <kbrooks> hedu, and read the screens carefully
[06:58] <apokryphos> hedu: also, please be careful with refresh rates. Not sure about xfree, but with xorg there's the potential to permanently damage your monitor, afaik.
[06:58] <dazed> also im on the 'apt-get' version of fluxbox which is outdated a lil is there anyway i can get the new one?
[06:58] <hawke_> apokryphos: Also true with xfree.
[06:59] <hedu> kbrooks and apokryphos: I went through it but it didn't give me any option for the monitor
[06:59] <dazed> when i download it off site and try to install i get errors at the 'make' part of the install
[06:59] <hedu> some things about keyboard
[06:59] <hawke_> apokryphos: Though I think the potential is low in modern times.
[06:59] <kbrooks> apokryphos, how would stting refresh rates too high or too low permanently damage your monitor?
[06:59] <apokryphos> hedu: it certainly does. :P
[06:59] <apokryphos> kbrooks: well, by making it too high for the monitor to handle.
[07:00] <kbrooks> apokryphos, too low? does this apply to too low? can refresh rates be set too low?
[07:00] <hawke_> apokryphos: most monitors just turn off or display "out of range" when they get higher or lower than they can handle.
[07:00] <apokryphos> kbrooks: I don't know. I know it can be damaged by being set too high. I haven't tried either, though.
[07:01] <hedu> apokryphos: it does give options like the video card, driver, keyboard, mouse but not about an external monitor
[07:01] <hawke_> apokryphos: modern ones that is.
[07:01] <apokryphos> hawke_: yup.
[07:01] <stuNNed> crimsun: hi, does ~/.gnome2 contain gconf variables?
[07:02] <apokryphos> hedu: Oh, I know there's no option about *external* monitor, but I think it does ask there for the name of your monitor. I imagine that's how it would happen; I would have thought you'd have to make some changes in bios essentially.
[07:02] <hedu> apokryphos: no it doesn't even ask about the name of the monitor
[07:02] <apokryphos> one sec
[07:03] <hedu> apokryphos: I thought I need to change /ets/X11/XFconfig-4
[07:03] <apokryphos> hedu: that setup changes that file
[07:03] <hedu> apokryphos: but I don't really know what to put in that file
[07:03] <piratePenguin> I'm trying to get my ISDN card up and running (again)... I can't find my old ISDN_MAKEDEV script anywhere so whats the easiest way to mknod the /dev/isdninfo etc, device files.. what bout this MAKEDEV script (link) I see in /dev ?
[07:04] <apokryphos> hedu: hmm, you're right. There is no monitor setup there; I'm getting confused with xorg reconfigure.
[07:04] <warty> hjello
[07:04] <hedu> apokryphos: it does but doesn't change it the way i need it to
[07:06] <goldfish_> PATRICK
[07:07] <hedu> apokryphos: any other suggestions???
[07:07] <apokryphos> hedu: Hmm, I see you haven't had much luck on the forums there either. Though, there's a previous thread there. You might have some luck searching on the linuxquestions.org forums. Sorry I can't be of more help here.
[07:08] <hedu> apokryphos : thanks anyways; which thread do you mean?
[07:08] <apokryphos> hedu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2252
[07:09] <apokryphos> There's a few others too. Search should yield the results.
[07:11] <hubert> where can I find a file output from system startup ?
[07:11] <hubert> a file with output
[07:11] <hawke_> hubert: /var/log/dmesg will give you kernel messages
[07:12] <hubert> hawke_: I don't want kernel message, I need warnings from init
[07:12] <kbrooks> Question
[07:12] <kbrooks> I want APT to be verbose
[07:13] <kbrooks> i want it to pint our every command it does
[07:13] <kbrooks> out*
[07:13] <hubert> hawke_: messages after kernel is loaded to GDM starts
[07:13] <StoffBox-Steve> hi :) what modprobe i must do to get the Sensors work ? > hoary
[07:13] <apokryphos> kbrooks: for apt-get? See the man page.
[07:13] <javier> why when i do apt-get upgrade there's a list of packages that are not upgraded ;o (ie: firefox :@ )
[07:14] <javier> jaja
[07:14] <hawke_> hubert: There probably isn't any place.  Possibly /var/log/syslog.
[07:14] <hawke_> hubert: but complete text of the boot process is not available.
[07:15] <hubert> hawke_: I can see a little on the console
[07:15] <piratePenguin> what can I use to open/convert KWD (Kword) documents?
[07:16] <apokryphos> piratePenguin: kword . ;-)
[07:16] <piratePenguin> apokryphos: :(
[07:16] <apokryphos> depends on what you want to convert it to
[07:16] <piratePenguin> anything really...
[07:17] <apokryphos> well, kword has a range of formats there. Not sure of OpenOffice recongises kword yet.
[07:17] <stuNNed> anyone else xorg eating cpu on today's hoary updates?
[07:17] <piratePenguin> apokryphos, doesn't.. not my version anyhow
[07:18] <StoffBox-Steve> how to i get the Sensors for Temp Fan etc work with Hoary 2.6.10 ?
[07:19] <apokryphos> piratePenguin: I'm wondering if there's a command that can convert them. Might be worth trying in #koffice.
[07:19] <apokryphos> or #kde if no luck in there.
[07:20] <apokryphos> piratePenguin: if it's just one file you want to convert, I wouldn't mind converting it to .txt for you if it'll save you the hassle of installing it. :)
[07:20] <apokryphos> though koffice sweet is really nice (and getting better). :P
[07:20] <apokryphos> *suit
[07:21] <piratePenguin> apokryphos: but I'm on GNOME..?
[07:21] <PacoBCN> Dependencies and problems :S
[07:21] <apokryphos> heh, yeah
[07:21] <piratePenguin> I know I can use KDE apps, but isn't that like.. an insult
[07:21] <PacoBCN> Just upgraded hoary
[07:21] <apokryphos> piratePenguin: kde is of course fully installable on Ubuntu.
[07:21] <PacoBCN> and can't install libapache-mod-php4 anymore
[07:21] <PacoBCN> since it says
[07:21] <apokryphos> an insult? Why?
[07:21] <PacoBCN> libapache-mod-php4:
[07:21] <PacoBCN>   Depends: php4-common (=4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[07:21] <piratePenguin> apokryphos: yea but I loove gnome
[07:21] <PacoBCN> wtf?
[07:22] <apokryphos> piratePenguin: I'm not telling you to abandon gnome.
[07:22] <kbrooks> look at the error message
[07:22] <apokryphos> piratePenguin: thinking that gnome-ers shouldn't use kde-apps or visa versa is plainly frivolous. Why shouldn't we each benefit from each other's strengths?
[07:23] <piratePenguin> apokryphos: oh, good point :p ... I've just stopped using KDE apps since I migrated to GNOME...
[07:23] <kbrooks> PacoBCN, remove php4-common and libapache-mod-php4, and reinstall libapache-mod-php4 first
[07:23] <piratePenguin> and I'm lovin gnome
[07:23] <stuNNed> lovey dovey
[07:23] <apokryphos> piratePenguin: you'll be missing out on quite a bit if you kept to that. :P
[07:23] <shock> hello again
[07:23] <kbrooks> PacoBCN, errr
[07:24] <kbrooks> PacoBCN, no wait dont.
[07:24] <piratePenguin> apokryphos, I'll manage :p (/me hopes) thanks for the help :D
[07:24] <meuserj|work> apokryphos, I disagree... I haven't had qt installed for years.
[07:24] <kbrooks> PacoBCN, pm me
[07:24] <PacoBCN> kbrooks, tell me
[07:24] <apokryphos> meuserj|work: that doesn't mean you're not missing out. Of course, different users are different; I'm speaking about the average user. KDE, as gnome, has a lot to offer.
[07:25] <apokryphos> (not just as a desktop environment, but with its apps)
[07:25] <meuserj|work> right.. but with the notable exception of k3b.. there is usually a gnome equivilant.
[07:25] <apokryphos> IMO, apps like amarok, K3b are unrivalled.
[07:25] <apokryphos> Just as GIMP is unrivalled.
[07:26] <meuserj|work> I've never used amarok... just seen screenshots... but I haven't seen anything in there that would make me want to use it over rb or muine
[07:26] <cat_ad> hi.i just upgrade to latest hoary lastnight,but now my computer feels slow.menu's and window-switching takes longer.i dont know whats wrong, any ideas?
[07:26] <stuNNed> muine is my fav
[07:27] <apokryphos> meuserj|work: It's worth trying it out. It has a plethora of features over any other Linux mp3 player. Some really nice new features lately, too. Try it, you'll love it, or your money back. ;-)
[07:27] <stuNNed> cat_ad: same here, installing new udpdates todasy
[07:27] <meuserj|work> stuNNed, the only reason I don't use muine is that they don't (at least didn't the last time I used it) have any kind of shuffle functionality.
[07:27] <StoffBox-Steve> how to i get the Sensors for Temp Fan etc work with Hoary 2.6.10 ?
[07:27] <piratePenguin> apokryphos: if I installed, say, K3B, would it run *perfectly* and not care that I'm not using the KDE env? Cause I installed it on ubuntu once before and it did work alright, but it looked a bit.. unclean
[07:27] <Slackman> hey guys , i just want something to start up on boot before x. Is rc.local only on slackware systems? is there a generic one for sysv style init?
[07:27] <stuNNed> meuserj|work: there is shuffle in hoary
[07:27] <apokryphos> piratePenguin: it should run without faults, yes, but not start up as quickly. :P
[07:27] <stuNNed> meuserj|work: afaik it's in universe
[07:28] <cat_ad> stuNNed, so you still have the problem after updating? or it's fixed with today's update?
[07:28] <meuserj|work> stuNNed, can you shuffle over the whole collection, or just with the current playlist?
[07:28] <stuNNed> cat_ad: 'Installing updates...' as we speak, dunno yet
[07:28] <cat_ad> stuNNed, ok thanks.
[07:28] <stuNNed> meuserj|work: you can add the whole collection then shuffle or current playlist, up to you i guess
[07:29] <piratePenguin> apokryphos: heh, thanks
[07:29] <meuserj|work> stuNNed, hmm.. maybe I"ll try it out then...
[07:29] <stuNNed> meuserj|work: don't use separate repo's for it, just use ubuntu's it's in there now
[07:29] <meuserj|work> stuNNed, right
[07:29] <stuNNed> meuserj|work: wrong.
[07:29] <stuNNed> meuserj|work: right wrong howdy doody doo doo
[07:30] <neighborlee> is udev working any better in hoary now ? ;-)..I need to  switch for xorg ( need some libs for devel) but last I tried it ( Ihave CD) automounting wasnt reliable like warty..???
[07:30] <kbrooks> stuNNed and meuserj|work: halt
[07:30] <stuNNed> kbrooks: shutdown -r -t 60 now
[07:30] <meuserj|work> stuNNed, beat me to it...
[07:30] <kbrooks> dude
[07:30] <hubert> I compiled kernel 2.6.10 and now my usb pen drive is not automounted (although CD is automounted). what can cause this?
[07:31] <Dr_willis> Hmm. Man i am haveing like NO luck with Cedega under ubuntu. :(
[07:31] <hubert> I can mount it manualy
[07:34] <Ubuntu> :)
[07:34] <Ubuntu> Haydyy hoo kids
[07:35] <Ubuntu> howya dowin'
[07:35] <kbrooks> lol
[07:35] <kbrooks> Ubuntu, :)
[07:36] <Loiosh> uNf
[07:37] <Blissex> hubert: if you do ''clever'' things like compiling your own kernels you are skilled enough to figure that out yourself...
[07:38] <kayali> hello there
[07:38] <neighborlee> Dr_willis, cvs or regular and whats it doing out of curiosity ( I dont use it as my games dont work in it anyway)
[07:38] <neighborlee> hi ;00
[07:41] <chillywilly> I am having problems browsing smb shares
[07:41] <chillywilly> I can see the computers on the network and browse to shared folders but I cannot change into any folders nor open any files on there
[07:41] <chillywilly> they keep prompting me for a password
[07:42] <chillywilly> this is in nautilus
[07:43] <meuserj|work> stuNNed, I'm running muine 0.8.2, and I don't see a way to play the whole collection randomly... the only thing I can see to do is to create a playlist of all your music, and then shuffle-play that... and it segfaults when I try that...
[07:44] <meuserj|work> stuNNed, so it looks like I return to rb
[07:45] <stuNNed> meuserj|work: join #muine on irc.gnome.org if you want to help
[07:47] <vash_the_stamped> hello
[07:47] <shock> hello
[07:47] <vash_the_stamped> somebody can help me ?
[07:48] <stuNNed> hi vash
[07:48] <vash_the_stamped> i want to instal warty ubuntu
[07:48] <javier> why when i do apt-get upgrade there's a list of packages that are not upgraded ;o (ie: firefox ) ?
[07:48] <vash_the_stamped> but at 80% the instal stop and say me he cant instal the linux noyeau
[07:48] <tritium> javier, because installing them would either remove packages or install new ones
[07:49] <kayali> vash_the_stamped: the word is 'kernel'
[07:49] <javier> yeah
[07:49] <javier> thats what i want
[07:49] <Trograin> How do I mount ntfs disks so taht all users get read rights ?
[07:49] <vash_the_stamped> yes ! i am french so it is difficult for me ^^
[07:49] <javier> i want to upgrade some of those packages
[07:49] <javier> ie: firefox
[07:49] <javier> i have 0.9.3
[07:49] <javier> ;\
[07:50] <vash_the_stamped> so the installation stop and say me he cant instal the kernel
[07:50] <vash_the_stamped> what can i do for repare this ?
[07:51] <javier> The following packages have been kept back: ... firefox ....
[07:51] <javier> ;o
[07:51] <javier> how can i upgrade those too ?
[07:51] <vash_the_stamped> so, nobody can help me ...
[07:52] <Pluk> javier, its held back for a reason, theres a little bug in it
[07:52] <Pluk> tomorrow it will be fied prolly
[07:52] <Pluk> fixed*
[07:52] <javier> !
[07:52] <javier> wow
[07:53] <Trograin> How do I mount ntfs disks so that all users get read rights ? /etc/fstab is the file I mount them in so they are automaticly mounted allso. but how should a proper line look like so that ALL users get the rights to read??
[07:53] <javier> that means, that i cannot upgrade firefox trhow apt ?!
[07:53] <Pluk> thats right javier
[07:53] <javier> gah
[07:53] <vash_the_stamped> and, for my problem ?
[07:54] <Pluk> vash_the_stamped, maybe the cd is bad
[07:55] <vash_the_stamped> no, i check it with the md5sums and the programm inside the installation of ubuntu
[07:55] <Raksu> goin' to test ub
[07:59] <PromGal> what is a good programming language I can get to use for Ubuntu? and that I will have no problem downloading and installing?
[07:59] <sigglet> c
[07:59] <sigglet> perl
[07:59] <sigglet> java
[07:59] <sigglet> python
[07:59] <Pluk> python
[07:59] <sigglet> etc...
[07:59] <ups> python
[07:59] <PromGal> could I get any of these for free
[08:00] <PromGal> I know where to get C but I had problems with it
[08:00] <sigglet> yes
[08:00] <PromGal> Could I get java for free, or a good C besides DevC
[08:00] <ups> python, perl are already there in ubuntu
[08:00] <meuserj|work> don't forget lua, lisp, eiffel, ruby, php, c++......  too many
[08:00] <PromGal> i don't know how to run python, but perl Is? i did not know
[08:00] <javier> everyone
[08:00] <Pluk> lau is nice too
[08:01] <Pluk> lua!
[08:01] <ups> PromGal: i dont think there's any distro without perl pre-installed :)
[08:01] <CarlK> trying to figure out how to install hoary from the current image file so I don't have to keep burning CD's
[08:01] <PromGal> well how do I run them
[08:02] <ups> put #!/usr/bin/perl on top of the script u write
[08:03] <kbrooks> ups, errrr
[08:04] <kbrooks> ups: thats shebang form. he wants to know how to RUN it
[08:04] <naibed> hello
[08:04] <naibed> I have a problem with my nvidia TNT2 and official nvidia glx drivers
[08:04] <PromGal> same with python, I do not know how
[08:04] <kbrooks> PromGal, perl file.pl; python file.py
[08:04] <ups> kbrooks: oops, sorry
[08:05] <PromGal> aight
[08:05] <ups> yeah that's how u can run them
[08:05] <ups> :)
[08:05] <tritium> are old packages placed in the morgue directories the date they get replaced?
[08:05] <PromGal> I am currently using C++ in skool, but I do not know a good one to use, any suggestions
[08:05] <kbrooks> python
[08:06] <ups> python seems pretty nice, i'm trying to learn it myself
[08:06] <naibed> When I configure my Xorg to use the nvidia driver, load the glx driver etc., It starts and shows the nvidia's logo, but It remains still in the "background" althoug GL applications work perfectly...anyone knows what could it happen? thanks
[08:06] <PromGal> the school is gay. and errors come up with python, my friends tried
[08:06] <kbrooks> PromGal, dude
[08:06] <ups> PromGal: diveintopython.org has a good guide
[08:06] <kbrooks> what errors
[08:06] <eyequeue> how does a school have a sexual orientation and how is that prelevant in #ubuntu? :(
[08:06] <PromGal> wrong format and stuff
[08:06] <PromGal> I dunno its just gay
[08:07] <kbrooks> "wrong format"?
[08:07] <PromGal> like, I have trouble making HTML and PHP files at skpp;
[08:07] <kbrooks> indentation you mean?
[08:07] <PromGal> skooL*
[08:07] <eyequeue> please drop the homophobia, it is offensive
[08:07] <PromGal> i dunno
[08:07] <PromGal> I meant ungay
[08:07] <PromGal> un-happy
[08:07] <kbrooks> PromGal, is indentation to delimit blocks gay
[08:08] <PromGal> no
[08:08] <PromGal> just doesn't work, they have to re-type all of it
[08:08] <kbrooks> well, is python gay then?
[08:09] <goldfish_> HOMOS
[08:09] <goldfish_> ?
[08:09] <tritium> #offtopic
[08:09] <PromGal> I never said python is gay
[08:09] <PromGal> the school is gay
[08:09] <shock> ok - question: can i assign a  key in metacity to "resize windows on mouse movement" just like the "grab window" key for movement?
[08:09] <Ubuntu> goldfish_ ssssh ... this is gay channel .. dont offend
[08:09] <phlax> hi - im having a problem with a soundcard playing back v slowly - but the startup sound seems ok - any ideas?
[08:10] <goldfish_> I am gay.
[08:10] <ompaul> python, is a an object orientated scripting/programming language, it is nothing else. perl is a scripting/programming language, it is nothing lese
[08:10] <goldfish_> I wont offend.
[08:10] <kengur> anyone using GnoCHM?
[08:11] <PromGal> If I chose to, python works in Windows XP too?
[08:11] <CarlK> yes
[08:11] <shock> anyone?
[08:11] <ompaul> python works on many platforms
[08:11] <PromGal> aight
[08:11] <shock> no metacity freak here?
[08:11] <PromGal> aight
[08:11] <PromGal> well thanks for all your help
[08:11] <ompaul> shock, me not one :)
[08:11] <shock> hmkay
[08:12] <tritium> How do I track down a previous version of a package in the morgue?
[08:12] <neofeed> is it normal that games like OpenTTD and UT2k4 suck in Ubuntu/Hoary performance wise?
[08:12] <Slackman> neofeed: what specs are your machine...?
[08:13] <neofeed> Althon 1.4Ghz, 1.5GBRam, GeForce FX 5700 LE
[08:13] <neofeed> UT2k4 lets me select 800x600 only and is slow like dog poo
[08:14] <tritium> please quantify the speed of dog poo
[08:14] <hawke_> neofeed: Got the nvidia binary drivers installed?
[08:14] <neofeed> yep
[08:14] <hawke_> neofeed: got them enabled?
[08:14] <hawke_> neofeed: (change "nv" to "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[08:14] <neofeed> moritz@basis:~ $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep nv
[08:14] <neofeed>         Driver          "nvidia"
[08:15] <hawke_> neofeed: can you /msg the output of 'xdpyinfo | head -n 50'?
[08:17] <neofeed> http://mdot.mine.nu/~moritz/xdpyinfo
[08:18] <hawke_> neofeed: Are you running with full quality settings and at 1600x1200 in UT2004?
[08:18] <hawke_> neofeed: also, what fps does 'glxgears' get
[08:20] <neofeed> hawke, i can't even select anything but 800x600 in UT
[08:20] <neofeed> hawke, around 1800
[08:20] <Noob1> hey guys
[08:20] <Noob1> anyone out there tonight
[08:21] <hawke_> neofeed: That's about right for that card on that system, I believe ... so you're OK on the 3d accelleration.  Try turning down your quality settings in ut2004 if you can
[08:21] <neofeed> below low?
[08:21] <neofeed> c'mon I can play UT2k4 liquidly on this box... at least i could when I had gentoo
[08:22] <Noob1> how do u switch to kde session on ubuntu?
[08:22] <hawke_> neofeed: Well, then I have no idea. :-/
[08:22] <neofeed> so it must be something with the settings of ubuntu
[08:22] <apokryphos> Noob1: you log out, select "Session > KDE" then login
[08:22] <hawke_> neofeed: Well, you have 3d acceleration going, I don't know what else would be the culprit
[08:22] <neofeed> it most be something with the DRI pipeline or so
[08:22] <Noob1> apokryphos:hmmm if its now there where do i install it ?
[08:22] <fsmw> hi guys!
[08:23] <neofeed> even SDL games run slow
[08:23] <apokryphos> Noob1: if it's now there? Have you installed kde, first? It [Ubuntu]  doesn't automatically come with kde
[08:23] <fsmw> i'm using hoary, and there is a broken package: python-diacanvas2
[08:24] <Noob1> apokryphos: oh ok thanks , on more question ... where do i install new apps on ubuntu that are on the cd
[08:24] <hawke_> neofeed: silly question, but I assume you have the nvidia-glx package installed (I think it would not be working if you didn't...)
[08:24] <neofeed> yep that's installed
[08:24] <apokryphos> Noob1: Not sure if there's an add/remove package manager in Gnome... there might be. You can always just put in the cd and drag the debs out, but you'll probably have quite a few dependency issues
[08:25] <apokryphos> Noob1: if you've got a decent connection, the easiest way is to just get them from the repositories
[08:26] <Noob1> apokryphos: lol i have ubuntu on laptop and cant get wireless to work , the program jamms the whole time
[08:26] <apokryphos> Noob1: I know Warty has quite a few laptop issues, a lot of which -- I hear -- are sorted in hoary. Which one are you using?
[08:26] <Noob1> apokryphos: warty i think ,
[08:27] <raksu> for god sake, why does not ubuntu give root password to change in installation!?
[08:27] <apokryphos> Noob1: what's your Internet connection like?
[08:27] <Noob1> apokryphos: pretty good
[08:27] <neofeed> raksu, because that would get the noobs go bonkas
[08:27] <apokryphos> Noob1: it's probably worth upgrading to hoary, then.
[08:27] <raksu> ok.. i fall back to debian.. this is fucking bloat :)
[08:27] <neofeed> raksu, it's better to have them here and ask: it's asking me for a Super User password - what to do. So we can give them the mandatory lecturing
[08:27] <Pluk> lmao if thats the only reason....
[08:28] <tritium> raksu, set the root password if you want it so badly
[08:28] <Noob1> apokryphos: is there uprage files ? or do i have to get the whole iso?
[08:28] <Pluk> its the same as saying ubuntu sux cuz i dont like the brown background
[08:28] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Noob1 ubuhoary
[08:28] <Pyre> Noob1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[08:28] <apokryphos> Noob1: it's very, very easy to do.
[08:29] <raksu> very nice without root access ;(
[08:29] <Pluk> raksu, man sudo
[08:29] <tritium> How using sudo is considered "bloat" is beyond me...
[08:29] <neofeed> raksu, someone told me falling back to debian is like cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed s/hoary/sage/g > /tmp/tmp && mv /tmp/tmp /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:29] <Noob1> thanks alot for the help
[08:29] <raksu> ok changed
[08:29] <neofeed> raksu, you DO have root access
[08:29] <apokryphos> np
[08:29] <neofeed> raksu, just type sudo bash
[08:29] <raksu> forget whole sudo while anger ;)
[08:29] <raksu> yes changed it already
[08:32] <raksu> okay.. 2.6.11 'n nvidia to machine..
[08:33] <Noob1> do i have to update to hoary from ubuntu
[08:33] <Noob1> or can i download a package in windows ?
[08:33] <apokryphos> Noob1: you can do either. Updating from ubuntu is far easier
[08:33] <apokryphos> since, it really only takes editing one file and two commands
[08:34] <Noob1> yeah but the prob is i dont have internet on my system with ubuntu
[08:34] <apokryphos> Noob1: Ok. No worries; you can still update from the iso.
[08:35] <apokryphos> Noob1: see the topic for the latest array
[08:35] <fsmw> python-diacanvas2 is broken
[08:35] <fsmw> in hoary
[08:35] <Mirv> should mailman@lists.ubuntu.com be answering? I think I e-mailed that address 3 weeks ago or so and forgot about it then.. I'm just interested in starting a new mailing list
[08:35] <mattcamp> Is Ubuntu a good distribution for servers, or is it only recommended for desktops?  I'm setting up a new server and am trying to decide between Ubuntu and Debian Sarge.
[08:35] <Noob1> ta
[08:35] <apokryphos> fsmw: a few other python things are too, I believe. Might be a good idea to put that on the mailing list
[08:35] <jdub> mattcamp: great for servers
[08:36] <tritium> fsmw, dia itself has some problems
[08:36] <jdub> mattcamp: because it's security supported, up to date, and nicely hardened.
[08:36] <tritium> don't include images in a .dia diagram, unless you want a useless diagram
[08:36] <fsmw> ok i'll put it on ML
[08:37] <mattcamp> jdub: Cool.  Actually the box already has Woody on it, so I'll be upgrading.
[08:37] <jdub> mattcamp: i'd recommend installing fresh
[08:37] <mattcamp> jdub: Unfortunately not an option, since I don't have access to the console.
[08:38] <jdub> bummer
[08:38] <tritium> fsmw, tell me what you know about python-diacanvas2?
[08:38] <tritium> that may be related to my problems with images in .dia files
[08:39] <Mirv> mattcamp: I'd probably go Debian for servers.. it's not that Ubuntu wouldn't make a good server, it's just that its main archive is mainly about desktop programs (and a limited amount of servers, httpd, sshd, vsftpd etc.)
[08:39] <ajay> hello all.
[08:39] <goldfish_> hi
[08:39] <Mirv> mattcamp: Ubuntu has 18 months of support for each release, but you can probably stick with Sarge for a very long time without a distribution update
[08:39] <ajay> does anyone know how I can put my ibook2 to sleep?  it doesn't do it automatically when I close the cover?
[08:41] <shock> running ubuntu?
[08:42] <ajay> yep. ppc version.
[08:42] <fsmw> well, i'm trying to install gaphor, and python-diacanvas2 is a depencie
[08:42] <shock> i think the sleep support is missing in the knernel if you are still on warty
[08:42] <Mirv> ajay: the Warty release does not have very much support for power saving features like sleep. Hoary that will be released next month supports a lot more.
[08:42] <shock> I am runnong hoary on a powerbook
[08:42] <shock> self-compiled kernel
[08:42] <fsmw> that's all, i guess that i can build it from the source
[08:42] <shock> sleep works like a charm
[08:42] <ajay> ah.  would you recommend a dist-upgrade?
[08:43] <thully> wow - just notice KDE is now in Hoary's main - cool!
[08:43] <viper12> wow. another 100meg+ update today. lol.
[08:44] <Mirv> ajay: well hoary isn't released yet, but then again it's already in Preview Freeze so it's nearing it's final form rapidly..
[08:44] <Riddell> thully: we like to think so
[08:45] <ajay> ok.  I'll wait.  thank you everyone.
[08:45] <thully> I see kdebase and a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't there 24 hours ago
[08:47] <mattcamp> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[08:47] <mattcamp> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[08:47] <mattcamp> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[08:47] <mattcamp> /quit
[08:47] <bskahan> daniels: is the acpi-x40 package still needed?
[08:48] <eruin> 0110110001101001011011100111010101111000
[08:50] <schasi> eruin: which base?
[08:50] <eruin> schasi: all your
[08:50] <viper12> are those minis any relation to white castle burgers?  ;)
[08:50] <schasi> ;-) na what did it mean?
[08:51] <eruin> linux :P
[08:52] <ups> stop spamming in binary... it wont get u any clicks
[08:52] <ups> eruin: ;)
[08:52] <eruin> :-)
[08:52] <eruin> I'm just bored
[08:52] <ups> i'm sleepy... nite
[08:53] <eruin> nite ;)
[08:53] <cat_ad> hello everyone. I was here before asking about poor performance after recent upgrade. has anybody got any further info?
[08:54] <viper12> by performance are you referring to screen redraw/sluggishness etc?
[08:54] <cat_ad> viper12, yeah. the system is pretty sluggish
[08:54] <schasi> eruin: did you post the ascii characters?
[08:55] <viper12> I was readig that the xorg update is most likely the culprit.  I'm seeing slow redraw over here (even in xchat) after the 6.8.2-2 update.
[08:55] <cat_ad> viper12, oh right. so i guess there's no fix as of yet?
[08:56] <raksu> umm.. grub updating automatically made the menu changes, right?
[08:56] <viper12> we're gettin' spoiled about fixes methinks....as the update to xorg new.
[08:56] <tritium> fsmw, can you point me to the python-diacanvas2 bug you were referring to please?
[09:00] <fsmw> tritium, i'm using hoary and i can't install the package, it has brokens deps
[09:00] <plagerism> My current running kernel is 2.6.11-1-amd64-k8, why isnt this package available anymore??
[09:00] <jimi-> hi there
[09:01] <fsmw> tritium, python-diacanvas2: Depends: python (< 2.4) pero 2.4-0ubuntu6 va a ser instalado
[09:01] <fsmw> so gaphor has the same problem
[09:01] <fsmw> gaphor: Depends: python (< 2.4) pero 2.4-0ubuntu6 va a ser instalado
[09:01] <fsmw>           Depends: python-diacanvas2 pero no va a instalarse
[09:01] <jimi-> is there an array CD 6 ?
[09:03] <bretzel> jimi: uh? is there supposed to be a CD 6 ? I run Array cd 5 and it is quite stable...
[09:03] <xan> hi
[09:03] <jimi-> bretzel : i dont know =) on schedule its supposed to be released on feb 28th , then the preview release on march 9th
[09:03] <maximaus> any audio card whizzes available?
[09:03] <goldfish_> lol
[09:03] <jimi-> i read a mailing list post from matt anouncing a new release for today
[09:04] <jimi-> i suppose its array 6
[09:04] <xan> hrm, anybody knows if the decision of using the frontal led on powermacs for disk activity was discussed anywhere?
[09:04] <jimi-> sw33t!! the "apple" light  on the cover???
[09:04] <xan> mmm, no
[09:05] <jimi-> oh
[09:05] <jimi-> =] 
[09:05] <jimi-> that would be cool hehe
[09:05] <xan> the little led on the thingie you press the open the laptop
[09:05] <bretzel> jimi: good :-) but unless the next preview annouces even more fixes, I don't think I will test those, even when THE release is out at April ...
[09:05] <xan> and personally it's driving me nuts, it's very distracting :)
[09:05] <xan> I don't boot on OSX much, but I think they don't use it for that
[09:07] <Tux-Rox> maximaus, What is the issue?
[09:07] <jimi-> bretzel : yeah, if its stable for you, dont touch anything lol
[09:07] <maximaus> my sound just quit working and I need to get it back LOL
[09:07] <maximaus> it works when gdm comes up
[09:07] <jimi-> my array 2 install  is quite random, even with updates
[09:08] <maximaus> but not when logged into Gnome, there's no /dev/dsp :/
[09:08] <bretzel> jimi: at least, array 5 installation was perfect for me. array 4 was screwed tho...
[09:08] <jimi-> why using ubuntu on apple? mac osx looks so much better!
[09:08] <Tux-Rox> maximaus, What sound card do you have?
[09:08] <hawke_> jimi-: But Ubuntu feels better. :-)
[09:08] <jimi-> (its not about ubuntu tough, but any PC OS so far)
[09:08] <jimi-> =] 
[09:09] <maximaus> Tux-Rox, an onboard Intel 82801
[09:09] <bretzel> BTW, nobody knows if the address-book applet works now ?
[09:09] <jimi-> when will there be something like OSX-so-smooth-GUI on linux?
[09:09] <Tux-Rox> maximaus, I am not too sure then. I had an Audigy problem that had the digital out blocking the analog out. Once muted via alsamixer, it worked.
[09:10] <maximaus> Tux-Rox, I've heard of that, but this is wierder. LOL
[09:11] <Tux-Rox> I agree. GDM didn't produce sound either. Check you sound settings if your Prefs to make sure the server (esd) is still running.
[09:11] <Tux-Rox> Are you using warty or hoary?
[09:12] <maximaus> warty
[09:12] <Tux-Rox> Hum, odd for sure. Sorry, but I have not a clue.
[09:13] <maximaus> no esd running
[09:13] <ions> anyone here get graveman installed succesfully in warty?
[09:13] <Welly> wicked! got ubuntu installed, connected to the net via wlan and i'm happy :)
[09:13] <raksu> anybody had problems with gamma_drv.c on 2.6.11 on compiling?
[09:13] <maximaus> Yeah, I used the Mandrake cooker rpm of graveman via alien.
[09:13] <_phate_> Two things (one newbish) 1> (noob) Is there a GUI for apt-get 2> I have an ISA sound card, how do I configure it?
[09:13] <ions> ugh, that's more complicated than I want to do
[09:14] <goldfish_> Pluk: 1) Synaptic Package Manager
[09:14] <goldfish_> 2) No Idea :/
[09:14] <Pluk> ?
[09:14] <Pluk> i didnt ask anything?
[09:14] <maximaus> phate, try "sudo modprobe sb" to see if a standard soundblaster module works
[09:14] <Noob1> hi, How do you setup a wireless network to use dhcp??
[09:15] <Welly> not sure, but our adsl modem provides dhcp
[09:15] <maximaus> uber dumb question, but shouldn't "esd&" start the esd sound daemon??
[09:15] <goldfish_> Pluk: lol, sorry mis-tab
[09:15] <_phate_> it says there is no sd module
[09:16] <goldfish_> _phate_: 1) Synaptic Package Manager
[09:16] <_phate_> *sb
[09:16] <maximaus> phate, oops I meant "sb"
[09:16] <jimi-> noob1, first try to configure your wireless settings with something like "iwconfig wifi_interface essid ap_name enc wep_key" (for example)
[09:16] <ompaul> Noob1, you have used the graphical tool for configuring your network card?
[09:16] <jimi-> then type dhclient
[09:16] <Noob1> ?? My interface is not getting an address.
[09:16] <_phate_> maximaus, it says no such device
[09:17] <Noob1> graphical interface hangs, let me try dhclient..
[09:17] <ompaul> Noob1, is the adsl modem (assumption that is what you are using) set to only give out one ip address?
[09:17] <maximaus> phate, It was just a wild guess. :D
[09:17] <Noob1> It's a nat gateway and yes it giving other pc's an address
[09:18] <Noob1> dhclient works ;-)
[09:18] <Pluk> Noob1, check http://nopaste.biz/?1178 i have my wireless(ath0) with dhcp, the file is /etc/network/interfaces
[09:19] <maximaus> how do I start the alsa sound server?
[09:20] <Pluk> with /etc/init.d/alsa start
[09:20] <maximaus> danke...
[09:20] <dazed> goldfish you around?
[09:20] <Pluk> wilkommen
[09:20] <BWGames> slightly OT, but on a irc network, do all servers have to run the same ircd?
[09:20] <goldfish_> dazed: haylo
[09:20] <Noob1> iface ath0 inet dhcp
[09:20] <Noob1> mmm, cool
[09:20] <Pluk> Noob1, only if you wireless card is ath0
[09:21] <Pluk> some are wlan0
[09:21] <dazed> goldfish_: you ever find out about that background stuff?
[09:21] <ompaul> BWGames, afik yes
[09:21] <maximaus> crap, still no sound. :(
[09:21] <goldfish_> dazed: lol, I tried myself
[09:21] <_d4vid> hi all
[09:21] <goldfish_> dazed: and it ignored the background command :/
[09:21] <dazed> so u cant get background to work?
[09:21] <Noob1> I get the point. my card is eth0
[09:21] <Noob1> not sure why
[09:21] <goldfish_> dazed: there is a #fluxbox channel
[09:21] <goldfish_> dazed: nope
[09:22] <goldfish_> cant get it working :/
[09:22] <dazed> on the ubuntu server?
[09:22] <Noob1> maybe cause wired netork interface does not work
[09:22] <goldfish_> dazed: on this server :)
[09:22] <goldfish_> dazed: freenode
[09:22] <goldfish_> dazed: /join fluxbox
[09:22] <Welly> brb
[09:22] <maximaus> mpg123 works from the command line!!
[09:22] <maximaus> mysterious
[09:23] <dazed> done
[09:23] <raksu> umm.. is there mpg123 package on ub?
[09:23] <maximaus> I think I installed mpg123 from synaptic at some point.
[09:25] <maximaus> realplayer works, xmms, totem, and rhythmbox don't. :/
[09:26] <jluke> according to http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/warty/web/phpmyadmin phpmyadmin should be a package in warty, but I am not finding it in the vanilla repositories that ship with warty. Does anyone know what I can point to to find it?
[09:26] <miso> hello
[09:27] <miso> Am I in the ubuntu support forum
[09:27] <miso> ?
[09:27] <goldfish_> the help irc channel
[09:27] <goldfish_> :)
[09:27] <jimi-> anyone knows if there will be an array 6 before preview, or should i install array 5, or the current daily install?
[09:28] <miso> I have some stupid questions
[09:28] <jesuel> There are no stupid questions, just stupid people :)
[09:28] <Loevborg> miso, there are no st...
[09:28] <jimi-> heh =)
[09:28] <miso> Is it possible to unistall gnome?
[09:28] <maximaus> miso, yes
[09:28] <Loevborg> (note: need learn to type more rapidly)
[09:28] <miso> ok Im stupid
[09:29] <jesuel> Loevborg, *grin*
[09:29] <tritium> "It is not only possible, it is essential..." -- Dr. Strangelove :)
[09:29] <jesuel> miso, nah. it is possible.
[09:29] <snowblink> jluke: it's in universe
[09:29] <maximaus> Ok, another simple one: what would the sound server be called when I run "top"
[09:29] <jesuel> good quote Trit
[09:29] <jluke> snowblink: pointer to what is universe?
[09:29] <Loevborg> maximaus, "polyaudio"
[09:29] <miso> But I like some apps like gaim...will they go away with gnome?
[09:29] <maximaus> Loevborg, that's for warty?
[09:29] <plx> how do i turn of pc speaker beeps for the whole system?
[09:29] <bretzel> By chances, is someone can tell me where I can look for design techniques about programming UI interface: I mean from scratch ( using ncurses as the base UI ) because I am killing my brain on how to manage screen updages in multhreading env ...
[09:29] <tritium> heh, but I personally don't feel that way about gnome.  I'd never remove it :)
[09:29] <jimi-> my last install failed to install gnome but not ubuntu, so yes, it is possible to use ubuntu without gnome
[09:29] <Loevborg> maximaus, in recent hoary, that is.
[09:30] <Loevborg> maximaus, in warty it should be "esd".
[09:30] <maximaus> that's what I thought.
[09:30] <snowblink> jluke: http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[09:30] <miso> But I like some apps like gaim...will they go away with gnome?
[09:30] <maximaus> how to start esd?
[09:30] <jluke> thanks snowblink
[09:30] <jesuel> miso, why do you want to remove gnome?
[09:31] <maximaus> it doesn't look good on miso's front lawn...
[09:31] <jimi-> i want osx xserver on my ubuntu :(
[09:31] <jesuel> ew osx
[09:31] <miso> I have a very low-end computer
[09:31] <kim1> anyone know how to get into recovery mode in Ubuntu ppc?
[09:31] <awstott> how low end?...
[09:31] <jesuel> yeah
[09:31] <kim1> I'm trying to solve a kernel panic
[09:32] <goldfish_> kim1: in grub menu
[09:32] <jesuel> im running ubuntu on a low end computer and its still speedy
[09:32] <kim1> I'm on ppc
[09:32] <goldfish_> option to boot into recovery mode
[09:32] <goldfish_> oh
[09:32] <goldfish_> sorry
[09:32] <maximaus> I've run Gnome on a 300mhz box and that's about the minimum in my book.
[09:32] <jesuel> via c3 800/256 ram
[09:32] <goldfish_> i need new eyes :/
[09:32] <kim1> no GRUB on ppc
[09:32] <jrei> hi
[09:32] <jesuel> oh ouch....
[09:32] <jrei> can someone help me with zope?
[09:32] <awstott> i've had it running on a 200mhz with 32mb of ram
[09:32] <awstott> it's was damn slow but still...
[09:32] <miso> Im on ppc ibook 300MhzG3 with 96 of RAM
[09:32] <maximaus> awstott, I bet Openoffice was a blast...
[09:32] <shock> hoi jrei
[09:32] <shock> :)
[09:32] <kim1> anyone know how to get to recovery mode on PPC Ubuntu?
[09:32] <jrei> hi shock
[09:33] <jesuel> miso, thats not too slow actually
[09:33] <awstott> I never ran OO
[09:33] <awstott> not on that box anyways
[09:33] <kim1> I'm now in nano CLI having booted from the install .iso
[09:33] <jesuel> OO on a 200mhz with 32 ram, are you nuts?
[09:33] <awstott> sysinfo:[os! Linux 2.2.20-idepci] [uptime! 217d 20h 56m] [cpu! GenuineIntel Pentium MMX, 200MHz] [disk! / (1GB Free, 1GB Total)] [ram! Usage: 35/96MB (36.46%)] 
[09:33] <awstott> it got a small upgrade
[09:33] <awstott> :)
[09:33] <kim1> but there is no recovery mode from what I can see
[09:33] <awstott> has more ram now
[09:33] <miso> ok, but howto speed it up a little
[09:34] <spiral> hi back
[09:34] <jesuel> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386 CPU: VIA Samuel 2 800.128 MHz Bogomips: 1585.15 Mem: 68/242M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 147.25G Free: 101.48G Procs: 102 Uptime: 8 hrs 39 mins 20 secs Load: 0.05 0.10 0.04  Screen: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 (rev 6a) Screen Resolution: 1152x864 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 43.31M Out: 44.98M
[09:34] <awstott> that box has no ups or anything on it
[09:34] <jesuel> awstott, eek
[09:35] <awstott> processor fan is dying so I gotta take it off every few months and oil it up.....
[09:35] <miso> jesuel thats your box?
[09:35] <jesuel> miso, yep
[09:35] <awstott> just do it wile box is running
[09:35] <jesuel> thats my linux box.
[09:35] <awstott> I have an xp1800+ with 256mb ram 40gig HD running ubuntu
[09:35] <jesuel> Bought the whole thing new for 160 dollars
[09:35] <jesuel> plus a 17inch dell crt for 30
[09:35] <jesuel> that was refurb :)
[09:36] <miso> ok, but will I have better performance when I unistall gnome and will be usind Xfce4.2?
[09:36] <jesuel> It would be a bit faster, are you low on hd space at all?
[09:36] <jesuel> Id just leave gnome there and run xfce
[09:36] <kim1> so no one has a clue w/r/t getting into recovery mode from UbuntuPPC?
[09:37] <miso> i have a 3GB Hdd so...
[09:37] <maximaus>  esd: command not found?? whereis esd: esd: /usr/include/esd.h
[09:37] <maximaus> I think I'm missing something?
[09:37] <jesuel> Hrm, trying to figure out why this stupid system reports im using a trident graphics card, Cause im not. Im running a geforce2 mx400 lol
[09:38] <naibed> MaxD, you have the devel but not the binary?
[09:38] <naibed> maximaus, sorry
[09:38] <jesuel> miso, Well then i understand removing gnome. /hrm
[09:38] <jesuel> miso, You would lose some utilities, but im not sure if you would lose gaim
[09:39] <Frodo> HI , and greets to all, my question is, after I have configured everything and made my system almost perfect, is there a way I can now master my system on a live dvd?
[09:39] <maximaus> naibed, /usr/include/esd.h is the devel? Sorry, I'm a dummy when it comes to audio. ;)
[09:39] <awstott> jesuel do you have a board with onboard video?
[09:39] <jesuel> awstott, i do
[09:39] <_phate_> ubuntu uses diff apt-get servers right?
[09:39] <awstott> disable onboard in bios
[09:39] <awstott> ?
[09:39] <miso> and what about synaptic... will it uninstall it too?
[09:39] <jesuel> you cant, there is no option for that
[09:39] <naibed> maximaus, try apt-get install esd..
[09:39] <awstott> no jumper?
[09:39] <jesuel> not that ive seen.
[09:39] <awstott> thats prolly where the trident is coming from
[09:39] <jesuel> i guess ill have to open it up and look.
[09:40] <miso> jesuel and what about synaptic... will it uninstall it too?
[09:40] <maximaus> Couldn't find package esd. "yarr"
[09:40] <jesuel> miso, not sure on that one. I dont think it will.
[09:40] <lakin> jesuel: lspci -v will tell you about all of the different pci devices attached to your system, make sure your geforce is listed there, then configure X to use it instead of the other one.
[09:41] <miso> jesuel so please can u give me advice, howto uninstall gnome?
[09:41] <jesuel> lakin, oh im definitely using X on the geforce
[09:41] <lakin> ok, then maybe I'm mis understanding the problem?
[09:41] <maximaus> libsdl1.2debian-esd is one of the packages that comes up when searching "esd" in Synaptic, is this my grail?
[09:41] <Pluk> esound ?
[09:42] <jesuel> It just reports im using the trident when i run a sysinfo command. Most likely cause i havent disabled the trident card in the bios/jumper. And it lists that device first for video instead of the geforce.
[09:42] <maximaus> esound is not installed. :blush: could this be it?
[09:42] <lakin> aaah, ok.  Then yah, either disable onboard in the bios, or use some jumpers.
[09:42] <blah09> hello
[09:42] <blah09> is there way to apt-remove something with its dependencies?
[09:42] <jesuel> miso, probably go into synaptic and select to uninstall gnome If thats truely what you want to do.
[09:42] <Frodo> Hoary only plays some of my sounds when I boot up...it likes the bongo sound, but not the startup.wav. I don't understand why
[09:43] <miso> ok
[09:43] <_phate_> I tried using 'sudo apt-get install isatools' but couldn't find it, any help
[09:43] <jesuel> lakin, yup. At least when i actually want to pull the machine out of the rack, and open it up ;p
[09:43] <_phate_> *isapnptools
[09:43] <jesuel> Untill then, ill leave it be.
[09:44] <maximaus> wooo! sound is working.
[09:44] <Pluk> good :)
[09:44] <jesuel> Just got it back into the rack last night, after replacing the powersupply on it last night @ 3am :(
[09:44] <maximaus> I wonder how that got uninstalled? Perhaps three martinis and Synaptic are a bad combo...
[09:44] <jesuel> maximaus, lol.
[09:44] <maximaus> Don't tipple and type kids.
[09:45] <maximaus> You'll coming crying to IRC with stupid problems.
[09:45] <jesuel> i just drink and then go play quake3 ;p
[09:45] <jesuel> and then i cant aim for ****
[09:45] <maximaus> LOL
[09:45] <miso> The Lamas and The Pappas
[09:45] <_phate_> jesuel: Halo 2 is better
[09:45] <_phate_> :D
[09:46] <Frodo> anyone here use Cedega on Ubunt?
[09:46] <jesuel> _phate_, I dont have halo or halo2
[09:46] <jimi-> what is cedega?
[09:46] <niaz> can anyone tell me how to install a DVD player in ubuntu
[09:46] <jesuel> Heck, i dont even have a xbox or a ps2
[09:46] <maximaus> Hopefully esd will start on login?
[09:46] <_phate_> jimi-,  its a Wine variant for games
[09:46] <jimi-> oh , cool
[09:46] <jimi-> thanx
[09:46] <Frodo> Used to be called WineX and was a way to play Windows games on linux
[09:47] <maximaus> Computer games seem so lame when you can just ride a bicycle in heavy traffic.
[09:47] <Xenguy> jimi-: cedega is a commercial/proprietary WINE AFAIK
[09:47] <maximaus> Yeah, like CXoffice
[09:47] <maximaus> worth the money if you can use it imho.
[09:47] <Frodo> Cedega is supposed to rock though and be quite capable of playing most games
[09:48] <_phate_> jesuel, No PS2? No Xbox? how can you be a linux geek without compiling 2.6 on either one (or perferably both)?
[09:48] <_phate_> hehe
[09:48] <jesuel> _phate_, well darn
[09:48] <maximaus> I wouldn't doubt it after noticing that Photoshop runs faster under wine than it does under windows on this box.
[09:48] <thekoreuk> cedega tends to lack on applications, but excells in games apparently
[09:48] <jesuel> i have a dreamcast!
[09:49] <_phate_> Coo, run some NetBSD on it.
[09:49] <_phate_> |D
[09:49] <jesuel> Ive done that actually
[09:49] <Frodo> Does anyone here know if a configured Ubuntu system can be remastered to a live cd?  Anyone doen it here?
[09:49] <jesuel> But its setup normally right now, so i can play games with it.
[09:50] <miso> bye
[09:50] <_phate_> still thats pretty spiff
[09:50] <jesuel> miso, *bye*
[09:50] <jesuel> Now, my daughter has a ps2
[09:50] <maximaus> Frodo, can't you just used a utility to make a disc "image"?
[09:50] <jesuel> but *I* wont install anything on it
[09:50] <jesuel> she'd kill me if i started messing with it.
[09:50] <jesuel> :)
[09:51] <_phate_> What she doesn't know won't hurt you.
[09:51] <_phate_> ;)
[09:51] <jesuel> HAHAH right...
[09:51] <maximaus> I forget, there's the popular proprietary software for cloning an install...Redhat also has a utility called ? for custom installs.
[09:51] <Frodo> Maximus, I understand that a system can be made into a livecd like Knoppix
[09:51] <jesuel> im not about to incur the wrath of a 11 year old.
[09:52] <kbrooks> lol
[09:52] <_phate_> Jesuel, 11? well in that case I wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft pole
[09:52] <woopy> hi, I've just finish to install a ubuntu warty, I have a external hd which can be mounted by /dev/sda1 but I've do a apt-get upgrade and then the /dev/sda1 is not created. the dmesg is apparently correct ... any ideas?
[09:52] <kbrooks> called WHAT for custom installs?
[09:52] <maximaus> Frodo, there's probably dozens of sites dealing with remastering Knoppix.
[09:52] <maximaus> I don't know how hard it is to do in reality though.
[09:53] <jesuel> _phate_, thats the way I see it. I may have purchased it, but its definitely her toy when she's done with her homework.
[09:53] <_phate_> jesuel, I'm glad I don't have kids.
[09:54] <Frodo> Max: I dont want to remaster KNoppix, I want to make my desktop system into a live cd (like knoppix)  I hear such a thing can be done, I was only wondering if others here might have succeeded to do this
[09:54] <jesuel> _phate_, Heh, I actually want more kids.
[09:54] <rubenv> mjg59: I've opened a bug for the freezing laptop from yesterday, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7093
[09:54] <maximaus> Sounds very cool, Frodo, but I have no clue. :D
[09:54] <maximaus> I'd just be happy if the live CD let me boot a persistent home on a memory stick.
[09:55] <_phate_> jesuel, one not enough?
[09:55] <Frodo> PClinux has a script built into it to remaster a finished system and make it a live cd
[09:56] <mjg59> rubenv: So it happens with both warty and hoary?
[09:56] <Frodo> Maximus, puppy linux is your answer then...persistent home wiht full ram control
[09:56] <maximaus> PClinux, I've been meaning to try that, it's made by "Texstar" right?
[09:56] <Frodo> yes
[09:56] <rubenv> mjg59: strangely enough only on hoary
[09:56] <mjg59> rubenv: Ok, you don't mention that in the report
[09:56] <Frodo> Puppy linux is absolutely fabulous
[09:56] <rubenv> mjg59: the warty livecd with noapic/nolapic doesn't freeze it
[09:56] <maximaus> Frodo, I'm a HUGE fan of Beatrix actually--which is kin with Ubuntu.
[09:56] <rubenv> mjg59: I don't? I'll add it to be sure
[09:56] <jesuel> _phate_, Probably is, but /shrug. Still would like another or 2. Not likely though. Im divorced now and a single parent. But never know what the future holds.
[09:57] <maximaus> 200mb, Gnome, Openoffice, and Gaim
[09:57] <Frodo> I have used Beatrix, it is cool too
[09:57] <Frodo> nice cat
[09:57] <marcin_ant> hi people
[09:57] <mjg59> rubenv: Ok, I'll think about possibilities
[09:57] <maximaus> LOL, I'm a dog person.
[09:57] <kbrooks> lol
[09:58] <Frodo> Puppy is only 50 megs, loads fully into ram to you can remove the cd and burn cds, print, surf, copy partitions etc...abiward is the office
[09:58] <marcin_ant> could someone help me and tell how to write simple script which will check periodically (cron) if ppp connection exists and restart /etc/init.d/networking when ppp is broken?
[09:58] <CarlK> marcin_ant - how about when it is needed?
[09:58] <Frodo> and puppy plays dvd and cd with built in libdvdcss
[09:58] <AndyR> anyone plugged a nec e228 mobile into their ubuntu?
[09:59] <marcin_ant> CarlK: ok - by how?
[09:59] <kbrooks> don't ask ro ask
[09:59] <kbrooks> to*
[09:59] <marcin_ant> CarlK: you mean diald?
[09:59] <maximaus> Frodo, I use Flonix sometimes on old boxen, it's pretty similar to Puppy.
[09:59] <AndyR> puppy is nice
[09:59] <Frodo> I will try flonix then
[09:59] <imi> hi
[10:00] <Frodo> I use puppy to copy partitions
[10:00] <CarlK> marcin_ant  - http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Diald-HOWTO.html
[10:00] <imi> can someone help me setting up my router? i know it's ot but i'm just stuck
[10:00] <marcin_ant> CarlK: sorry I don't want to use diald
[10:01] <marcin_ant> CarlK: I got instand GPRS connection
[10:01] <_phate_> Jesuel, ouch sorry man.
[10:01] <jesuel> _phate_, No biggy.  :)
[10:01] <blah09> anyone know if theres a way to apt-remove something with its dependencies?
[10:01] <marcin_ant> CarlK: and now I got everyting (modem init scripts - cpin etc. pppd init script, firewall etc.)
[10:02] <imi> i just don't know where the problem is. the internet seems to be active on the router, i can ping it and configure it, but i can't access the net from behind the router
[10:02] <marcin_ant> CarlK: I only don't have something that could regenerate connection when it's broken
[10:02] <imi> all dhcp. should work, cause ive set it up for friends before. but im stuck with my own :/
[10:03] <raksu> can somebody help with grub and installing new kernel?
[10:03] <_phate_> isapnptools doesn't seem to be in the apt-get list where can I get it?
[10:03] <miketech> hi there
[10:04] <marcin_ant> CarlK: I would like to use something like this script on the bottom of the page http://debian.one.pl/index.php?url=2
[10:04] <marcin_ant> CarlK: but I don't use /etc/init.d/ppp to establish connection - I use /etc/init.d/networking
[10:04] <jesuel> _phate_, i believe isapnptools is in universe sir
[10:04] <maximaus> phate: make sure the "universe" repository is enabled
[10:05] <_phate_> ah, cool thanks
[10:05] <maximaus> You can do that in the gui Synaptic package manager btw.
[10:07] <noire> hello all
[10:08] <Tux-Rox> hello noire
[10:09] <StoffBox-Steve> can someone help me with Samba, didnt work anymore :( cant see andy networks
[10:09] <StoffBox-Steve> andy = any
[10:09] <jesuel> *bounce*
[10:09] <kingsley_> What's a good way to merge several postscript files into one file?
[10:09] <bagpuss_thecat> evening all
[10:09] <Frodo> how can I make a bootdisk for ubuntu?
[10:09] <jesuel> mmm good music
[10:10] <tanek> does the mplayer w32codecs work for all players?
[10:10] <bagpuss_thecat> anyone know why my 3dfx card doesn't seem to do anything more than 640x480 in Hoary? Even removing all the resolutions from Xorg.conf, other than 1024x768, results in a 640x480 display, and the gnome resolution tool only lists 640x480 as well
[10:11] <Frodo> Bag, did it do the same in Warty?
[10:11] <bagpuss_thecat> nope, it worked fine in Warty
[10:11] <hawke_> Is there any UI program for gnome-pilot?
[10:12] <bagpuss_thecat> I then dist-upgraded, using all the default options, and it ended up like this.
[10:12] <Frodo> lol...go back to Warty...I've only had linux-hell with Hoary
[10:12] <bagpuss_thecat> lol, fairy nuff :-)
[10:12] <jesuel> Yeah /Hoary/ is a mess atm
[10:13] <tanek> when is the switch of stable version to hoary?
[10:13] <Frodo> Hoary run fine for a few hours then do crazy crap that I cant figure out...
[10:13] <Frodo> reformated like 5 times
[10:13] <jesuel> Heh
[10:14] <jesuel> my server is kinda hoary, but not
[10:14] <jesuel> I just broke warty a little by installing some hoary packages.
[10:14] <awstott> i had issues with warty and after a botched upgrade of hoary (which I fixed without reinstalling) it runs like achamp
[10:14] <Frodo> I was getting Hoary using Hoary
[10:14] <delltony> hoary works fine for me
[10:15] <jesuel> But my system, even though its not exactly *correct*, works fine for me :)
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> there are 101 new updates
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> jesus
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> 123 yesterday
[10:15] <Frodo> I guess it depends on your hardware and what you want to do
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> 80 the day before
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> did somebody's girlfriend leave him or something?
[10:15] <jesuel> bluefoxicy, lol
[10:15] <delltony> how do you change the order that modules are loaded if thats what it is ndiswrapper doesn't appear to load correctly when booting or something i have to wait till i'm in gnome then ifdown and ifup for my network to work
[10:16] <Welly> This is brilliant! I love it
[10:16] <raydogg> has anyone had a problem with the update system in ubuntu array 5 ?
[10:16] <Frodo> I now have Warty exactly correct and hope a bug doesn't just pop up and say "Boo!"
[10:16] <jesuel> Frodo, good luck.
[10:17] <awstott> lol
[10:17] <Frodo> Im not even going to update, I tried unloading the damn gnome games that comes bundled, and ended up unloading gdm...dont do it...its a pain
[10:18] <Loevborg> make-kpkg: cpu 53:49,93 total -- this is ridiculously long!
[10:18] <delltony> Frodo, you played supertux?
[10:18] <Frodo> supertux is very cool
[10:18] <Welly> hmm.. i'm not into that KDE.. i had a look when i had a mandrake live cd.. bit too cluttered
[10:18] <delltony> yeah it is
[10:19] <Frodo> I am avid armagetron player...one of the best on the servers
[10:19] <awstott> i'm not a big fan of gnome....
[10:19] <Welly> each to their own really, isn't it? it's good that you've got the choice :)
[10:19] <jesuel> Ahh, i love privoxy. It works so well getting rid of popups and ad's :)
[10:20] <jesuel> awstott, blasphemy
[10:20] <awstott> lol
[10:20] <Frodo> I hated gnome , but because of suffering through the learning curve of Ubuntu, I actually prefer gnome now for its sheer simpicity
[10:20] <awstott> I just don't like how it's laid out
[10:20] <jesuel> course, i run cde on my main workstation :)
[10:20] <jesuel> so i dont know how i can talk.
[10:21] <Welly> whats the best way of backing up your system so should you do something REALLY wrong, you can restore?
[10:21] <jesuel> thats a solaris 9 box :)
[10:21] <Welly> because thats my fear
[10:21] <Frodo> Awstot, you can lay out gnome any way you like...
[10:22] <jesuel> Welly, biggest thing id suggest to do, Seperate /home partition :)
[10:22] <eruin> new human icons are hella nice =)
[10:22] <jesuel> In case you have to reinstall :)
[10:22] <Frodo> problem and blessing of gnome is that it doesnt have an abundance of gui garbage to clutter...and it takes some learning
[10:22] <jesuel> Frodo, plenty of clutter @ www.gnome-look.org
[10:22] <kbrooks> Frodo, use fluxbox. :)
[10:22] <Welly> jesuel, is that right? ah! is that possible now i've installed it all?
[10:23] <jesuel> Welly, ive never done it after install. Of course i just added another hdd after the fact.
[10:23] <Welly> oh ok
[10:24] <jesuel> kbrooks, gotta love fluxbox. Its lean/mean
[10:24] <Frodo> Kbrooks, I have used flux and black a lot, I like them for some things
[10:24] <jesuel> I *USED* to love afterstep
[10:24] <kbrooks> but?
[10:25] <jesuel> now im a gnome user
[10:25] <kbrooks> why you switch
[10:25] <Frodo> all u have to do is learn the gnomenclature
[10:25] <Frodo> I blew a pun
[10:26] <raksu> can it be initrd from grub if 2.6.11 throws kernel panic with unable to mount root?
[10:26] <awstott> I couldn't be bothered configurign gnome..... so I figured i'd try kde.... its' not much better
[10:26] <jesuel> I used to use afterstep back in the day. Then i was without a linux box for a long time and just using a sun workstation with cde for a while
[10:26] <Marble2> how do I make ubuntu recognize my printer?
[10:26] <jesuel> When i made a new linux box. It just kinda installed gnome and i left it alone.
[10:26] <raksu> have you had similar situations?
[10:27] <padlefot> what cd should i use with my AMD Athlon XP 2500+ processor?
[10:27] <kbrooks> Marble2, uhhhh
[10:27] <padlefot> the i386 one should work, right?
[10:27] <awstott> x86
[10:27] <padlefot> damn
[10:27] <padlefot> i doesnt wanna install the kernel
[10:27] <padlefot> *it
[10:27] <jesuel> padlefot, the i386 one will work.
[10:27] <StoffBox-Steve> im confuss .. smaba working now, but i cant access to the WinXp PC, need a to login, but i Know im not need one!? someone an idea/reason ?
[10:28] <nix000> anyone can help me here ... am i not supposed to install apache and apache2 at the same time ? /etc/init.2/apache would not start,stop anything ! i am on warty
[10:28] <Frodo> I can set up a perfect gnome system that almost washes dishes and takes out the garbage in about one and a half hours including reformat and install...
[10:28] <padlefot> any idea why the kernel doesnt wanna install?
[10:28] <jesuel> Frodo, thats pretty quick.
[10:28] <nix000> Frodo, what do u use ?
[10:28] <jesuel> Frodo, it took me like 3days to get mine setup the way i wanted mine.
[10:29] <kbrooks> StoffBox-Steve, we need more information.
[10:29] <StoffBox-Steve> say what you need and i give it to you... kbrooks
[10:29] <nix000> Frodo, for compiling gnome i mean. i gave up i almost tried every other way of doing that while i used to be on debian unstable
[10:29] <Frodo> I use Ubuntu...it takes 45 minutes to install, then follow the Unooficial Ubuntu setup guide
[10:30] <kbrooks> StoffBox-Steve, ok. why are you using samba? also.....you might want to google
[10:30] <nix000> Frodo, you used the ubunut source ?
[10:30] <Marble2> kbrooks: yea?
[10:30] <Marble2> how do I get it to recognize it
[10:30] <kbrooks> Marble2, really simple, but i'll have to switch terminals and find out, just a sec
[10:30] <nix000> Frodo, i remember trying jhbuild for weeks
[10:31] <kbrooks> Marble2, pm me
[10:31] <Frodo> Nix, no, I just used the setup cd and let it update itself
[10:31] <nix000> Frodo, okay ... i misunderstood you.
[10:32] <nix000> anyone can help with apache2 install here ?
[10:32] <Frodo> Granted, I am not useing bleeding-edge (Hoary)  I have no need to go through linuckz-hades
[10:32] <StoffBox-Steve> kbrooks, im on a Network with 2 - 8 PC and im the only Linux PC, thats why im using Samba, Google is my best friend i know ;) but didnt help ... i set up my samba config and i see the Win PCs but cant access them ... on warty few days ago its goes i know
[10:35] <StoffBox-Steve> lol now im really confuss > i try to put in my User/pw and it goes, but only on the first level .. now i see the shared folder , but its ask again for login and User/pw not work ...
[10:35] <StoffBox-Steve> im going crazy
[10:35] <Marble2> how do I make ubuntu recognize my printer?
[10:36] <kbrooks> Back. Who messaged me?
[10:36] <StoffBox-Steve> kbrooks, im on a Network with 2 - 8 PC and im the only Linux PC, thats why im using Samba, Google is my best friend i know ;) but didnt help ... i set up my samba config and i see the Win PCs but cant access them ... on warty few days ago its goes i know
[10:36] <StoffBox-Steve> lol now im really confuss > i try to put in my User/pw and it goes, but only on the first level .. now i see the shared folder , but its ask again for login and User/pw not work ...
[10:36] <huami> hi!
[10:36] <StoffBox-Steve> that was for you kbrooks :D
[10:37] <huami> what package should I install to have swsusp utility ?
[10:37] <Welly> ok.. quick n00b gnome question.. how do you add shortcuts/menu options to the applications menu? :)
[10:38] <tanek> Welly: right-click
[10:38] <Blissex> StoffBox-Steve: a lot of the Debian documentation applies without change to Ubuntu, and they have lots of nice tutorials, and I think they have a Samba tutorial too. Note that Samba is used to make MS Windows PC able to access Linux, not viceversa.
[10:39] <Natham> where is the config file to automatic set up mi network adapter when ubutu boot up?
[10:39] <Blissex> Natham: 'man ifup'
[10:39] <StoffBox-Steve> i know Blissex i read a some Howtos about samba, i read many howto about linux ... ;) but this make me crazy ..
[10:39] <Natham> Blissex, the config file
[10:39] <Welly> tanek: i've right clicked on the menu sub-folder and the menu itself but doesn't look to let me do it
[10:40] <Blissex> StoffBox-Steve: it is the 'smbfs' filesystem' 'man smbmount' might help.
[10:40] <tanek> Welly: right click on an existing launcher
[10:40] <Blissex> Natham: 'man ifup' will tell you :-)
[10:41] <Natham> yes, excuse me
[10:41] <bagpuss_thecat> I binned xorg.conf and moved the old XF86Config to it, and it works
[10:41] <Natham> ssh ruls
[10:41] <StoffBox-Steve> there is no manpage ^^
[10:41] <Welly> i see tanek, thanks
[10:41] <Blissex> StoffBox-Steve: oops. Just to a search for keywords like "smbfs" and "smbmount".
[10:42] <EfaistOs> does someone know how to disable devfs ?
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve> maybe i have somethink that can help > i make a smbtree and this come up >
[10:42] <Blissex> StoffBox-Steve: note also that various ''network neighbourhood'' type GUIs exists that use 'smbmount'. I think Nautilus has one built int.
[10:42] <kbrooks> EfaistOs, why if i may ask
[10:42] <tanek> Welly: np
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve> session request to 192.168.0.3 failed (Called name not present)
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve> session request to 192.168.0.3 failed (Called name not present)
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve> BYSTEVE
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve> session request to 192.168.0.3 failed (Called name not present)
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve>         \\SW33TY
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve>         \\STOFFBOX V1                   StoffBox Linux Server
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve>                 \\STOFFBOX V1\ADMIN$            IPC Service (StoffBox Linux Server)
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve>                 \\STOFFBOX V1\IPC$              IPC Service (StoffBox Linux Server)
[10:42] <StoffBox-Steve>         \\STOFFBOX                      Tuxmobil 3.0.10-Ubuntu
[10:43] <StoffBox-Steve>                 \\STOFFBOX\ADMIN$               IPC Service (StoffBox Linux Server)
[10:43] <StoffBox-Steve>                 \\STOFFBOX\IPC$                 IPC Service (StoffBox Linux Server)
[10:43] <StoffBox-Steve> *ups* sry for long post
[10:43] <tanek> #flood :)
[10:44] <bagpuss_thecat> samba & winbind & Active Directory rocks
[10:45] <KingTana> can someone help me please , im having trouble setting up dial up
[10:45] <StoffBox-Steve>  ;) tanek
[10:45] <tanek> :P
[10:45] <Natham> bagpuss_thecat, do you use openldap?
[10:47] <StoffBox-Steve> flooding is a sport you learn at chats like lycos :D tanek
[10:47] <tanek> hehe, not my kind of sport ;)
[10:47] <Marble2> how can I update an individual applcation using apt-get
[10:47] <chillywilly> when are we going to get new OOo 2.0 beta debs :)?
[10:47] <EfaistOs> kbrooks, just to know :)
[10:48] <Marble2> gaim 1.1.4 is out and I'm on 1.0
[10:48] <chillywilly> the version I have sucks
[10:48] <_jon_> Marble2: sudo apt-get install gaim
[10:48] <tanek> Marble2: using hoary universe sources ofcource ;)
[10:48] <EfaistOs> when hoary will be stable ?
[10:48] <Marble2> says gaim is already the latest version
[10:48] <Marble2> but it's 1.0
[10:48] <gub> I just want to say that ubuntu rocks
[10:48] <Natham> how can i install dhcpd ver 3?
[10:49] <Marble2> I have to go, I'll do it later
[10:49] <tanek> Marble2: change to hoary on universe mirror, update apt-get install gaim, and change back and update again
[10:49] <ompaul> KingTana, what kind of problem?
[10:49] <kbrooks> tanek, bad idea
[10:49] <tanek> why is that?
[10:49] <tanek> worked for me
[10:49] <_jon_> dependency issues, tanek
[10:50] <kbrooks> mixing hoary and warty equals trouble
[10:51] <tanek> well, gaim has no real dependencies afaik
[10:51] <tanek> not that would cause trouble anyway
[10:53] <will> hi could anyone spend a moment and have a look at my posting? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17775
[10:54] <WillCooke> any mplayer/mencoder experts out there?!  (This isn't a how do I get it working type question!)
[10:54] <delltony> anyone running hoary if so have you noticed that gnome doens' thave any icons anymore or is it just me
[10:55] <Loevborg> WillCooke, no expert, but what is it?
[10:55] <delltony> icons as in the menus
[10:55] <bagpuss_thecat> !seen nathan
[10:56] <jintxo> delltony, all of my icons are there, they are the smokey-red specifically. I have noticed that my noia icons have stopped working in hoary, but have no idea why :-(
[10:57] <delltony> well i get no .desktop file images strange
[10:57] <delltony> gonna reboot but my menus show nothing but text now
[10:57] <WillCooke> Loevborg, I've recorded a TV program from a DVB-T stream but the lipsync is out.  Any ideas how I turn a MP2 Program Stream in to a normal mp2 file.?
[10:58] <StoffBox-Steve> i think my Samba i try to kill me .... *grrrrrrr*
[10:58] <Loevborg> WillCooke, oh, I haven't got a clue what a program stream is, sorry.
[10:58] <WillCooke> Loevborg, No worries.  Thanks
[11:00] <delltony> well damn :(
[11:01] <delltony> no more icons
[11:04] <delltony> i'm guessing something changed during the upgrade but not sure what
[11:07] <shock> delltoy
[11:07] <shock> apt-get install --reinstall hicolor-icon-theme
[11:08] <shock> i think that was it
[11:08] <shock> delltony
[11:09] <Quarupt> ANyone know why my sound would sound a lil staticy like a record player or something?
[11:10] <shock> bad file?
[11:10] <Quarupt> wow 123 updates today huh
[11:11] <dazed> how do i find my font directory?
[11:12] <shock> ls -l .fonts ?
[11:12] <shock> its in your home
[11:13] <Quarupt> Do i need to restart gdm after doing updates?
[11:13] <shock> hm
[11:13] <shock> if you updated a whole bunch of X you should
[11:13] <dazed> ls -l .fonts didnt work
[11:13] <Quarupt> well theres like 123 updates today for Hoary
[11:14] <Quarupt> sudo ls -l .fonts
[11:14] <dazed> no such file or directory
[11:15] <Brunellus> hi.  how do I set xmms as my default CD/Music player?
[11:15] <Quarupt> Warty?
[11:15] <Brunellus> correct
[11:15] <Quarupt> lol, wasnt speaking to you, sorry, i dunno how in warty
[11:15] <Quarupt> in Hoary theres a program deafalts app
[11:16] <Brunellus> the program-defaults app in warty doesn't deal with music
[11:16] <Brunellus> h'mm.
[11:16] <robodex> hey... anyone have success in getting their webcams working under warty?
[11:16] <Quarupt> maybe theres a wway to set it in xmms?
[11:17] <shock> @ Brunellus gstreamer-properties
[11:17] <Brunellus> in the console?
[11:17] <shock> yes
[11:17] <shock> or its called multimedia settings in the menu
[11:17] <shock> or something smiliar
[11:17] <gsteinb88_> hi all
[11:17] <gsteinb88_> i have a question
[11:18] <gsteinb88_> and im new to ubuntu, and probably just havent searched the wiki enough
[11:18] <gsteinb88_> but here goes:
[11:18] <gsteinb88_> everytime i try to compile a package (in this case, a gatos package), it tells me that it cant find the kernel tree
[11:18] <robodex> I'm having a problem when trying my webcam... I'm getting the error open /dev/video0: No such device whenever I try running camE. looking in /dev/ shows that /dev/video0 does exist. Using pencam (a program for my specific camera) says it's in use, but it isn't...
[11:19] <gsteinb88_> i have tried compile a kernel with the config file in /boot, but it still cant find it
[11:19] <shock> < gsteinb88_> you might need to install the kernel-sources, goto /usr/src/ and create a symlink called "/usr/src/linux"
[11:19] <gsteinb88_> did that :)
[11:19] <shock> hmkay
[11:20] <shock> and you did do 'make oldconfig'
[11:20] <shock> and then make dep?
[11:20] <gsteinb88_> my exact command was: make && make modules install
[11:20] <gsteinb88_> after i had loaded the config file from /boot
[11:21] <shock> so.
[11:21] <shock> u got /usr/src/linux
[11:21] <gsteinb88_> yes
[11:21] <shock> pointing to the rightversion of the kernel?
[11:21] <gsteinb88_> heres the exact error message:
[11:21] <shock> you got in that directory
[11:21] <shock> you did cp /boot/confg-.... ./.config
[11:21] <shock> and then
[11:21] <shock> make oldconfig
[11:21] <sam23> Hey guys, does anyone know how to get 4-speaker support ? I'm using the emu10k1 driver that came with ubuntu 4.10
[11:21] <shock> make menuconfig
[11:22] <shock> 'apply your changes'
[11:22] <shock> save & exit
[11:22] <robodex> I guess nobody knows, then :p
[11:22] <shock> make dep
[11:22] <dazed> how do i unpack .bz2 fiels
[11:22] <shock> then you can build the kernel, modules and whatever
[11:22] <gsteinb88_> Error: Could not locate kernel tree in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/include /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1-3-386/include /usr/src/linux/include /usr/include
[11:22] <Quarupt> whats the app for tv cards?
[11:22] <shock> you did install the whole kernel-source package?
[11:23] <gsteinb88_> *** Warning: make dep is unnecessary now
[11:23] <shock> and unpacked it correctly?
[11:23] <gsteinb88_> to my knowledge
[11:23] <jesuel> Quarupt, i like xawtv
[11:23] <jesuel> Quarupt, but some people will use tvtime
[11:23] <shock> where did you get your sources?
[11:23] <gsteinb88_> tar -xvjf linux-source-2.6.8.1.tar.bz2
[11:23] <Quarupt> I heard of a different one packaged for Ububtu Hoary
[11:23] <shock> indeed
[11:24] <shock> what is the module you want to build and where did you unpack it?
[11:24] <shock> and furthermore: where were you running make? (the make to build the modules?)
[11:25] <gsteinb88_> the module that i want to build is the drm-kernel package from the gatos.sourceforge.net project
[11:25] <gsteinb88_> i grabbed it from CVS
[11:25] <shock> btw: you might want to take a look at kernel-package
[11:25] <StoffBox-Steve> can someone send me the standart smb.conf ?
[11:25] <sam23> anyone at all...
[11:25] <shock> for building a kernel
[11:25] <shock> apt-get install kernel-package
[11:25] <sam23> 4 speaker support
[11:26] <gsteinb88_> here is my exact command for installing the source (it just threw a tarball into my /usr/src): apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[11:27] <gsteinb88_> i have warty warthog ubuntu linux
[11:28] <gsteinb88_> im just not used to debian, i spend most of my time in gentoo, so i know how to compile kernels etc. i just dont understand some of the nuances of debian
[11:29] <Huxley> hi all
[11:29] <Huxley> I have a kino ppc question
[11:30] <b0oo> hello
[11:30] <Huxley> Will it work was a canopus dv device and an external fw drive?
[11:30] <aboe> can anybody help me with my partitioning
[11:31] <Huxley> on a low end powerbook?
[11:31] <b0oo> i would like some help configuring a linksys wusb11 v.26
[11:31] <aboe> want to merge two partition together
[11:31] <b0oo> v1.6*
[11:31] <b0oo> can anyone help?
[11:32] <b0oo> can anyone hear me?
[11:32] <Slackman> b0oo: sorry, gotta cruise...but try iwconfig
[11:32] <b0oo> i tried it
[11:32] <b0oo> doesnt work
[11:32] <Slackman> b0oo: and dmesg should tell if the device is supported
[11:33] <qbeek> can Totem read DVD?
[11:33] <aboe> with libdvdcss2 it can
[11:33] <qbeek> what is the repository of this package?
[11:33] <aboe> does anybody know anything about lvm
[11:34] <aboe> think it merillat
[11:34] <hawke_> qbeek: Yes, marillat
[11:34] <hawke_> qbeek: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[11:34] <qbeek> aboe, thanks I'm gonna try this
[11:34] <Huxley> ok I will try kino
[11:35] <Huxley> post to the ppc forums
[11:35] <Huxley> later ppl
[11:36] <sleeper> hi
[11:36] <aboe> does anybody use lvm?
[11:36] <sleeper> what program can i use to remplace flash mx?
[11:36] <zabulus> does anyone play CS1.6 on ubuntu ?
[11:37] <geppy> sleeper:  Use it in WINE.
[11:37] <b0oo> yea i dont see it in that
[11:38] <bcaesar> does anyone want to help me set up an ssh server
[11:38] <hawke_> bcaesar: Sure.
[11:38] <sleeper> ok thx
[11:38] <hawke_> bcaesar: apt-get install openssh-server.  Done.
[11:38] <aboe> can somebody help me with mij partitions
[11:38] <b0oo> is anyone gonna really help me with my linksys WUSB11 v1.6
[11:38] <aboe> oops mij = mine
[11:38] <Quest-Master> b0oo: I will
[11:39] <Quest-Master> It's quite easy, actually, with ndiswrapper
[11:39] <bcaesar> hawke: I've install it but I'm having trouble connecting to my computer from a windows machine
[11:39] <b0oo> Quest-Master ok explain
[11:39] <Devinci> zabulus, is it free for linux (cs1.6)?
[11:39] <bcaesar> hawke: it tells me that either the password is wrong, the username is wrong, or the account may be disabled
[11:40] <bcaesar> hawke it has to be the third one
[11:40] <chillywilly> I need OOo 2.0 beta debs
[11:40] <chillywilly> NOW
[11:40] <chillywilly> that is all..
[11:40] <chillywilly> j/k
[11:41] <chillywilly> wtf don't they do the binary install...wtf is up with rpms
[11:41] <chillywilly> gah
[11:41] <chillywilly> bastards
[11:41] <huami> hi! my system does not resume after suspending to ram. how to find out what prevents it from resuming?
[11:41] <LinuxJones> chillywilly, they are in hoary
[11:42] <dazed> is there a modem dialer included with ubuntu
[11:43] <aboe> can anybody see my messages
[11:43] <chillywilly> LinuxJones: I did not see them...I am talking about 1.9.79
[11:43] <mairu> aboe: yes
[11:43] <chillywilly> not the old crusty one that is in there now
[11:44] <aboe> thankt
[11:44] <chillywilly> Version: 1.9.76-0ubuntu4
[11:45] <chillywilly> that is old
[11:45] <geppy> okay
[11:45] <geppy> Hoary taskbar bug
[11:46] <geppy> Is there no fix?
[11:46] <gsteinb88_> shock: do you have any more ideas?
[11:46] <AngryClip> what is the bug?
[11:46] <KingTana> can someone help me with setting up ubuntu "warty" for dial up please
[11:46] <giard> anyone here using hoary?
[11:47] <giard> or, more directly
[11:47] <giard> has anyone here, using hoary, updated in the last couple days to x.org 6.8.2 and noticed a significant sluggishness of the desktop?
[11:47] <raydogg> hoary seems buggy
[11:47] <raydogg> the update system doesnt' work right
[11:47] <geppy> AngryClip:  hold on, making a screenie
[11:47] <raydogg> it works fine in warty
[11:48] <pestilence> does anybody know how i can get krb5-clients installed in warty?  i get this error:
[11:48] <pestilence> krb5-clients: Depends: libkrb53 (= 1.3.4-3) but 1.3.4-3ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[11:49] <Brunellus> can I get nautilus to have a transparent background?
[11:49] <spiral> 'bye
[11:50] <lamont_r> what's the best way to prevent the ipv6 module from being loaded?
[11:50] <pestilence> lamont_r: how about rm'ing it :)
[11:50] <lamont_r> pestilence: that's certainly the simplest way.  I want something better.. :)
[11:51] <Funraiser> about:config (in the adresse bar of firefox) and then ipv6 double click -true
[11:51] <sam23> well i searched on Google, I searched on ubuntuforums and I can't seem to find an answer...
[11:51] <israel> hi dewds! I have just installed warthy and I'd like to change the screen resolution, tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it does not apply the changes (I selected 1280x1024) to the Gnome tool, where can I configure it???
[11:51] <sam23> How to get 4 speaker support
[11:52] <Funraiser> lamont_r got it?
[11:52] <geppy> AngryClip: local.bigphatawesome.org/Screenshot.png
[11:52] <geppy> oops
[11:52] <geppy> wait
[11:53] <Loevborg> lamont_r, you can uncomment each occurence in "grep -r ipv6 /etc/mod*" and blacklist it in hotplug.
[11:53] <naibed> bye
[11:53] <lamont_r> Funraiser: and that'll affect kernel module loading exactly how???
[11:53] <geppy> AngryClip: local.bigphatawesome.org/Screenshot.png
[11:53] <geppy> AngryClip:  That's the Hoary taskbar bug
[11:53] <geppy> and it's obnoxious
[11:53] <Funraiser> :-)
[11:54] <pestilence> The requested URL /Screenshot.png was not found on this server.
[11:54] <AngryClip> geppy: 404
[11:54] <geppy> psh
[11:55] <geppy> 24.0.83.218/apache2-default/local/Screenshot.png
[11:55] <pestilence> geppy: that stinks
[11:55] <pestilence> when does it do that?
[11:55] <LBM> geppy: just adjust it
[11:55] <giard> geppy: it's not like that anymore
[11:56] <dazed> whats a good movie viewing program?
[11:56] <dazed> .mpg movies and such
[11:56] <pestilence> dand_: mplayer or xine, take your pick
[11:56] <geppy> LBM:  adjust it how?
[11:56] <StoffBox-Steve> samba marking me confuss *lol* i dont nothink between the last 5 min ... but now is working ? im crazy ?
[11:56] <LBM> giard: it is, in hoary though
[11:56] <giard> LBM: I'm in hoary right now
[11:56] <geppy> giard:  I last updated last night.  are you saying that it's been fixed since then?  I doubt it
[11:56] <zabulus> Devinci: no it's not free, but i recently switched to ubuntu just want to know if i can still play it through wineX or smth
[11:56] <giard> geppy: I dunno, but I just updated and mine isn't nearly that truncated
[11:57] <LBM> oh, it was fixed today :)
[11:57] <geppy> oh
[11:57] <geppy> tight
[11:57] <giard> hehe
[11:57] <geppy> heh
[11:57] <geppy> =)
[11:57] <pestilence> dazed: mplayer or xine, take your pick
[11:58] <jesuel> clerks is a good movie though ;p
[11:58] <geppy> dazed:  mplayer's gui sucks
[11:58] <geppy> It is. =)
[11:58] <StoffBox-Steve> ok it ask again for a username > When im the Master Browser and the Wins, where are the PWs stored ? at the WinPC there is no PW set to access and few days ago it working fine :S
[11:58] <dazed> i tried to apt-get zine
[11:58] <dazed> xine* it didnt come up
[11:58] <jesuel> ive been ripping my dvds and storing them on hd for a while now
[11:58] <jesuel> got 180~ movies or so stored
[11:58] <geppy> jesuel:  What codec, and what resolution?
[11:58] <gub> how can i get the date of a package in the apt-get repository
[11:59] <jesuel> uh
[11:59] <geppy> jesuel: I'm just xvid just because it kicks ass, but I'm not sure what resolution I want to use for this
[11:59] <jesuel> xvid rocks
[11:59] <geppy> jesuel:  Yeah. =)
[11:59] <jesuel> but they take huge space :)
[12:00] <geppy> heh