[12:00] <jesuel> thankfully, 12 400gb hitachi hd's
[12:00] <geppy> jesuel:  Compared to other codecs, not really. =)
[12:00] <geppy> haha
[12:00] <jesuel> in a raid 5 config :)
[12:00] <sleeper> i cant install dreamweaver with wine
[12:00] <sleeper>  	http://www.securitum.com/tmp/GetPaste.aspx?paste=5059112141526&header=true
[12:00] <jesuel> anyhow afk quake3
[12:00] <geppy> I'm thinking that I might do 1024x768 on my tower, and then downsize them to 640x480 for lappy playback
[12:01] <jesuel> i do mine 1280x800
[12:01] <jesuel> for laptop
[12:01] <geppy> jesuel:  What kind of filesize for a typical DVD?
[12:01] <dazed> how come when i 'sudo apt-get install xine' it says no package dont u think xine has apackage
[12:01] <jesuel> uh huge
[12:01] <mz2> my cursor's all weird with X.org 6.8.2
[12:01] <geppy> heh
[12:01] <pestilence> dazed: xine-ui
[12:02] <geppy> dazed:  enable universe and multiverse, as well
[12:02] <anTiX> how do I autostart apps? like skype..
[12:02] <geppy> aw, crap
[12:02] <pestilence> dazed: general advice...when looking for packages...apt-cache search (something)
[12:03] <mz2> anTiX, System/Preferences/Session
[12:03] <pestilence> dazed: like, apt-cache search xine
[12:03] <_jon_> geppy: ?
[12:03] <mz2> and from there startup programs
[12:03] <dazed> ok pestilence thanks
[12:03] <geppy> _jon_: It's not playing back with gstreamer, I'm going to test it with XINE to see if it's a bad rip or not
[12:04] <mz2> although with skype you can just save the session when logging out (and leave skype on) and it'll be in your panel when you login the next time
[12:04] <geppy> aw, crap
[12:04] <geppy> I don't have gxine, either
[12:04] <_jon_> geppy: what about ogle or mplayer?
[12:04] <aboe> does anybody know anything about lvm??
[12:04] <geppy> _jon_:  Can't stand MPlayer's GUI, would use Ogle, but I'm updating, so I can't apt-get anything ATM
[12:05] <geppy> _jon_:  just reinstalled Hoary a couple of days ago on a new hard drive, don't feel like digging up the .debs from the other one
[12:05] <_jon_> ah
[12:05] <PacoBCN> speaking of mplayer
[12:05] <_jon_> what about vlc?
[12:05] <geppy> heh
[12:05] <PacoBCN> can't find a way to play videos full screen :S
[12:05] <geppy> I don't use it;  do you?
[12:06] <_jon_> PacoBCN: ctrl+f i think
[12:06] <geppy> Yeah, GXine under Ubuntu crashes when you put it fullscreen; that's kind of obnoxious
[12:06] <Quarupt> Well i guess Ill venture into the Land of trying to get 3d support on my ATI
[12:06] <pestilence> PacoBCN: i think you just type "f"
[12:06] <PacoBCN> Jon, true, but it doesn't strech the image
[12:06] <_jon_> ah
[12:07] <PacoBCN> I want it to be full screen, stretching it
[12:07] <pestilence> PacoBCN: never had that problem.  perhaps you are using the wrong -vo
[12:07] <PacoBCN> Is there any Ubuntu .deb?
[12:07] <geppy> How much would it cost to license a unlimited-seat gstreamer plugin for .wmv?
[12:07] <pestilence> PacoBCN: maybe mplayer -vo xv
[12:07] <pestilence> or mplayer -vo x11
[12:08] <anTiX> mz2, thanks! :)
[12:09] <PacoBCN> this is my version
[12:09] <PacoBCN> MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.4 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[12:09] <PacoBCN> CPU: Intel Pentium 4/Xeon/Celeron Foster (Family: 8, Stepping: 9)
[12:09] <PacoBCN> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
[12:09] <PacoBCN> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
[12:09] <PacoBCN> Compiled for Debian.
[12:09] <Quarupt> Man i wanna remeber the name of that APP for TV tunder cards
[12:09] <pestilence> PacoBCN: you installed from multiverse?
[12:09] <PacoBCN> Pestilence, do you believe me if I tell you that I don't remember? :S
[12:09] <PacoBCN> I did it 2 weeks ago
[12:10] <PacoBCN> i mean, all the rest seems to work properly
[12:10] <PacoBCN> when you press f the image stretches?
[12:10] <pestilence> PacoBCN: they don't have mplayer in warty, is why i ask.
[12:10] <PacoBCN> I use hoary
[12:10] <djp> can anbody here tell me how i change the default audio player in ubuntu?
[12:11] <pestilence> PacoBCN: oh...well, my suspicion is that it is in multiverse nonetheless...and those really are debian packages
[12:11] <ver1stead> who knows where i can get libtiff3g package?
[12:11] <pestilence> PacoBCN: yes, image stretches to fill the screen
[12:11] <ver1stead> i am trying to install the enlightenment windows manager
[12:11] <PacoBCN> ok, at least I know it is not because I don't know how to do it :D
[12:12] <pestilence> PacoBCN: apt-cache show mplayer-custom
[12:12] <noiretoile> hello
[12:12] <pestilence> will tell you where mplayer-custom is located
[12:12] <PacoBCN> upgrading now, I'll check in 15 seconds
[12:13] <ver1stead> can anyone tell me where i can find the libtiff3g package(s)?
[12:13] <plx> is there a way to enable mousewheel-desktop switching in gnome? (like fluxbox..)
[12:13] <Quarupt> Anyone know how to get Star Office, for free, i know theres a leggitiment way to do it
[12:13] <pestilence> Quarupt: yes, it's called OpenOffice :)
[12:13] <noiretoile> if someone has a minute, I need help on a how-to ( http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper )
[12:13] <kbrooks> Quarupt, why do you want to get star office for free!
[12:14] <Quarupt> No theres a way to answer some questions on there site or something, and open office doesnt have access support :(
[12:15] <PacoBCN> pestilence, It found nothing
[12:15] <PacoBCN> it's a version for sarge, I found
[12:15] <pestilence> PacoBCN: apt-cache search mplayer
[12:15] <pestilence> or dpkg -l mplayer*
[12:16] <pestilence> pestilence: i think it is the marillat package, in fact i am certain of it
[12:16] <djp> hi all. is it possible to change the default audio player in ubuntu? i want xmms to play any music/sounds i come across on the internet.
[12:16] <PacoBCN> yes, I think that too
[12:16] <PacoBCN> I thought there was some ubuntu package of mplayer, around
[12:17] <geppy> argh, dvd::rip gave me garbled vob
[12:17] <PacoBCN> don't really want to compile it :S
[12:17] <pestilence> to my knowledge, that is the package for ubuntu.  i am pretty sure it is not included in the main distribution
[12:17] <PacoBCN> I know it's not included in the distro
[12:17] <pestilence> PacoBCN: it is really not that difficult to compile, especially the 100th time you do it :)
[12:17] <PacoBCN> but probably backported, I thought
[12:17] <djp> PacoBCN: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[12:18] <x-256> how do I enable root account on my Ubuntu installation ?
[12:18] <PacoBCN> pestilence, I know, I've done it 3 times already
[12:18] <PacoBCN> but I hate to install packages only for compiling others
[12:18] <scizzo> x-256: use sudo
[12:18] <eazel7> hi ppl
[12:18] <scizzo> x-256: sudo -s
[12:18] <PacoBCN> batter of cleaning the disk
[12:18] <x-256> hmmm
[12:18] <scizzo> x-256: and use the password for the user you added
[12:18] <pestilence> PacoBCN: i believe all of the development libraries are apt-get'able
[12:18] <x-256> scizzo, ok
[12:18] <geppy> giard: I killed the panel, and upon restart it's still doing that truncation stuff; do I need to restart X?
[12:19] <scizzo> x-256: you never read the information about root user and so on before adding the user?
[12:19] <PacoBCN> Pestilence, I know, but then my computer gets full of dev packs...
[12:19] <pestilence> PacoBCN: disk space is cheap these days :)
[12:19] <x-256> scizzo, i did, i cannot debug this stupid wireless card if I dont have full access
[12:19] <x-256> so seriously, how can I enable the root acct
[12:19] <x-256> anyone >
[12:19] <PacoBCN> Pestilence, true, but I'm running it in a laptop
[12:19] <scizzo> x-256: sudo -s
[12:19] <PacoBCN> and don't really want to change the partitions
[12:20] <x-256> that says somethinb about a shell and env. settings
[12:20] <x-256> is it the same ?
[12:20] <scizzo> x-256: and then use the password for the user
[12:20] <pestilence> PacoBCN: so remove the dev libraries after building
[12:20] <scizzo> x-256: what?
[12:20] <x-256> scizzo, ok, thank you
[12:20] <scizzo> x-256: sudo -s -H
[12:20] <PacoBCN> I wish I could just delete all the -dev libs...
[12:20] <scizzo> x-256: and then the user password...thats it
[12:20] <pestilence> PacoBCN: but yes, i think that is more of a PITA
[12:20] <x-256> you see, sudo didn't work right.. i modprobed APM and it never got loaded, but not it did
[12:20] <x-256> scizzo, thnx dude
[12:21] <eazel7> hi ppl
[12:21] <PacoBCN> PTIA?
[12:21] <PacoBCN> PITA?
[12:21] <pestilence> PacoBCN: pain in the ass
[12:21] <PacoBCN> hehe
[12:21] <PacoBCN> didn't know that
[12:21] <eazel7> flash crashes my browser :(
[12:21] <PacoBCN> thinking about arab bread...
[12:21] <eazel7> anybody had this problem?
[12:21] <pestilence> hehe
[12:21] <gsteinb88_> what browser?
[12:21] <geppy> eazel7:  Yes.
[12:22] <geppy> eazel7:  Flash 7.0 is crap.
[12:22] <eazel7> geppy, what did you do?
[12:22] <geppy> eazel7: erm, uninstall flash? =/
[12:22] <pestilence> PacoBCN: but there is certainly a way to do anything you want, including removing all of the dev libraries
[12:22] <geppy> eazel7:  the problem is that your soundcard is in use
[12:22] <pestilence> not exactly sure of the consequences
[12:22] <geppy> eazel7:  either you can use something like 'esddsp' on the flash plugin
[12:23] <PacoBCN> pestilence, well, in theory I should be able
[12:23] <PacoBCN> but some times it complains
[12:23] <PacoBCN> about dependencies
[12:23] <geppy> eazel7: or you can send macromedia lots of e-mails telling them that flash 7.0 sucks just as much as 5.0
[12:23] <eazel7> hehehehe
[12:24] <jesuel> bah
[12:24] <eazel7> thx
[12:24] <jesuel> i scared away the people on the quake3 server :(
[12:26] <atrophy> quick question about SAMBA... I've edited every place where it mentions workgroup to "@HOME" but the network browser still thinks my workgroup is "MSHOME" Any ideas?
[12:26] <geppy> atrophy: restart samba?
[12:26] <atrophy> (I edited smb.conf, the registry-type thingie, and the network settings)
[12:26] <atrophy> ok how would I restart samba?
[12:27] <mz2> eaaargh. how'd i go on installing the gnome-blog package? it complains of me having a too recent version of python (it requires < 2.4) and i do have the older ones installed as well
[12:27] <cowbud> atrophy: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:27] <mz2> i need the 0.8 which is not yet available as a ubuntu package, so i tried installing it from the sid repo
[12:29] <atrophy> hmm... now the network browser shows nothing... arghh
[12:29] <eazel7> geppy, where can I change this thing?
[12:29] <geppy> eazel7:  erm, no idea
[12:29] <atrophy> the howto on the wiki for samba is for warty, and they have changed everything in Hoary
[12:30] <eazel7> I'm trying differents dpkg-reconfigure
[12:30] <geppy> eazel7: I took the lazy route and uninstalled flash
[12:30] <eazel7> hahaha
[12:30] <noiretoile> getting important (core) updates is as easy as apt-get upgrade?
[12:30] <geppy> eazel7:  I just realized that I can't play the fridge game anymore, though, so I'll probably have to try and fix it, later tonight =)
[12:30] <jesuel> grr, hiccups suck
[12:32] <_jon_> noiretoile: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:32] <noiretoile> yeah... wow, that's easy
[12:32] <noiretoile> figured there had to be more to it
[12:32] <atrophy> also, is there some custom version of samba that Hoary uses?  Cause according to synaptic the samba package wasn't installed by default
[12:33] <noiretoile> just installed ubuntu 2 days ago... first linux distro I've really felt like I can stick with... but I have a lot to learn
[12:34] <noiretoile> trying to get ndiswrapper so that I can get my broadcom 54g running (I hope)
[12:35] <atrophy> ok my XP box can see my ubuntu box but can't login to it... and my ubuntu box can't see my XP box
[12:36] <atrophy> any ideas?
[12:36] <Quenyar> how are you trying to log into your ubuntu box from your XP box?
[12:36] <xadas> I'm trying to install tv tunner, but i don't know what software to use. Any ideas? :-)
[12:37] <atrophy> I go to workgroup computers on XP, it shows Indigo(my ubuntu box) and I click on it and try to login using the windoze account I created for this purpose
[12:39] <atrophy> but on Windows Network on my ubuntu box there are no computers listed... not even Indigo
[12:40] <Xappe> damnit, I have borrowed an ibook from my dear father, and now when I try to play around with it (using ubuntu as a NAT with shorewall on my regular pc) I realize that I don't have his admin passwd for osx :/
[12:40] <atrophy> hahah!
[12:41] <djp> hello. can somebody try and help me?
[12:41] <PacoBCN> djp, what's your problem?
[12:42] <Blissex> djp: ask direct, technical, questions with specifics.
[12:43] <djp> PacoBCN: i want xmms to become my default audio player for streaming media. what plugin should i use, mozplugger or mplayerplug-in and how do i prevent totem taking over all the time as the default audio player while using firefox?
[12:43] <djp> Blissex: question above. sorry about that.
[12:43] <atrophy> anybody?
[12:43] <PacoBCN> click an mp3 you have around with the right button
[12:44] <PacoBCN> Select "Open with"
[12:44] <PacoBCN> select beep media player
[12:44] <PacoBCN> and it should make it the default, as far as I know
[12:44] <PacoBCN> at least it worked with me
[12:45] <djp> PacoBCN: sure. i have done that for .ogg files. what i want to do though, is setup firefox to open xmms when i click on a streaming audio file, say axf, and then it will open xmms and not totem
[12:45] <crazydeb8r> hi diddly ho
[12:46] <parax> anybody running NetworkManager on Hoary?
[12:46] <PacoBCN> axf? sure bmp plays axf?
[12:46] <PacoBCN> parax, I do
[12:46] <djp> PacoBCN: sorry that should read .asx not .asf!
[12:47] <djp> .axf even!
[12:47] <Qiana> Does anyone know if the hoary install daily cd image from today works?
[12:47] <Qiana> or if their a certain date I should get
[12:47] <parax> PacoBCN, can you see the graphic bar on the menu for wireless range?
[12:47] <crazydeb8r> how do I install a .deb package so I can remove it?
[12:48] <ExxonE> Hi, I don't remember the command in terminal to download a tirrent file...
[12:48] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, dpkg -i packagename.deb
[12:48] <Atrophy> Does anyone have experience getting Samba set up with Hoary?
[12:48] <crazydeb8r> thanks Qiana
[12:48] <geppy|away> would a 686 kernel run any better on an AthlonXP than 386?
[12:49] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, to remove it you can apt-get remove packagename
[12:49] <ExxonE> anyone knows the dowload coman for bittorent in terminal mode?
[12:49] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, or apt-get remove --purge
[12:49] <Blissex> djp: do you want for XMMS to be your default sound player just in Firefox or generally?
[12:49] <Blissex> djp: and if ''generally'', how much ''generally''?
[12:49] <parax> PacoBCN, I'm using Thom May packages
[12:49] <crazydeb8r> Qiana, you're a lifesaver.
[12:49] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, what package were you installing
[12:50] <crazydeb8r> Qiana: Gaim guifications
[12:50] <Qiana> eh?
[12:50] <b0o0> hello can someone help he install a linksys WUSB11 v1.6
[12:50] <b0o0> ?
[12:50] <crazydeb8r> Qiana: It is a gaim plugin that tells you when someone comes online/ofline, etc.
[12:51] <crazydeb8r> I just need to find something similar for evolution to tell me when I have mail and I'm set
[12:51] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, oh, gaim does that anyway
[12:51] <cg0def> is the amd64 kernel-image in apt 64 or 32 bit?
[12:51] <crazydeb8r> Qiana: huh? It does?
[12:51] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, mail-notification
[12:51] <Qiana> crazydeb8r, yeah, add a buddy pounce?
[12:51] <parax> Qiana, I don't know about today Hoary install CD, but the image CD of day 1 of this month worked perfectly
[12:51] <Atrophy> come on guys... someone out there knows how to do this...
[12:52] <crazydeb8r> Qiana: No, I mean it just pops a small window up in the lower left corner of the screen telling you "crtayzdeb8r has come online"
[12:52] <crazydeb8r> it's simple.
[12:52] <djp> Blissex: generally. I would like it to open any files that it is possible for it to.
[12:53] <crazydeb8r> grrr except it won't install!
[12:53] <crazydeb8r> stupid outdated packages
[12:53] <Blissex> djp: that's pretty dangerous... :-) However, it might involve a bit of work, because file associations are set in _several_ places.
[12:53] <djp> Blissex: would you recommend the mozplugger plugin or the mplayerplug-in by the way?
[12:53] <Atrophy> Hello?
[12:53] <shock> hi
[12:53] <noiretoile> is it normal for things to be marked "to be not upgraded"? hotplug, linux image, and linux restricted modules
[12:54] <Blissex> djp: check out the '/etc/mime.types' and '/etc/mailcap' files for example.
[12:54] <Atrophy> hey shock... could you tell everyone else out there that I need help with Samba?
[12:54] <djp> Blissex: thanks
[12:54] <Atrophy> apparently they can't hear me...
[12:54] <parax> noiretoile, probably they are not updated because some dependencies blocks them
[12:54] <noiretoile> ok, cool... just making sure I didn't inadvertantly mess with something
[12:55] <djp> Blissex: i haven't had a good experience with totem since switching to ubuntu iz all. i am probably over reacting by totally switching all media types to xmms!
[12:55] <Blissex> djp: those drive what 'mozplugger' does. Also check the file association menu of Firefox of course, and in general there is probably something similar but different for GNOME, probably in the control panel or nautilus. Ask in #Gnome.
[12:55] <geppy|away> do any flashplayers work with ESD?
[12:55] <Blissex> djp: that's a bit excessive indeed... I prefer to pick-and-choose command-line wise.
[12:56] <parax> geppy|away, the macromedia one works for me
[12:56] <djp> Blissex: sure
[12:56] <Atrophy> Hey... does anyone have any experience with configuring samba in hoary?
[12:56] <geppy|away> parax: hrm
[12:56] <Blissex> djp: autostarted (e.g. from web browser) media playing can be a bit dangerous/unsettling. But it can be controlled.
[12:56] <geppy|away> parax:  Hoary?
[12:56] <parax> geppy|away, yes
[12:56] <geppy|away> parax: hrm
[12:56] <Blissex> Atrophy: dont ask polls, ask specific technical questions.
[12:56] <geppy|away> parax:  I should probably install ESD
[12:56] <Atrophy> Blissex... I asked the specific question 5 times already
[12:57] <Atrophy> and now have to get more general because nobody responded
[12:57] <x-256> hi
[12:57] <fgx> hile, what happens using hoary universe with warty?
[12:57] <Blissex> Atrophy: then you are a bit out of luck, or perhaps you should change venue.
[12:57] <Atrophy> From warty to hoary they changed where the samba configuration is
[12:57] <Atrophy> that's a simple question if anybody knows where it's at now
[12:57] <Blissex> Atrophy: also, it is not terribly difficult to find out...
[12:58] <x-256> how can I change the XF86 driver through the GUI. It's using VESA/FB and it's butt slow right now :(   BTW, I know I can edit /etc/X11/XF86Config by hand, but I wanna see what goodies Ubuntu offers ;)
[12:58] <parax> Atrophy, try swat, a web gui to configure samba, if you would like to configure your computer to serve files/printers
[12:58] <Atrophy> well the wiki came up empty
[12:58] <Blissex> Atrophy: try 'locate ....' and perhaps 'dpkg -L samba'
[12:58] <Atrophy> swat "works"... it writes smb.conf correctly
[12:58] <Atrophy> but I still can't see my xp box from this computer
[12:58] <Atrophy> vice versa works just fine except I can't see any shares
[12:58] <parax> Atrophy, firewall?
[12:58] <Blissex> Atrophy: perhaps you need to discover that Samba is a _server_.
[12:59] <Blissex> Atrophy: except of course for 'smbclient'.
[12:59] <Atrophy> thank you for the information, Captain Obvious
[12:59] <Blissex> Atrophy: there are plenty of very nice tutorials on how to setup Linux/MS Windows file sharing in both directions.
[12:59] <x-256> anyone? how tp change video drivres ?
[12:59] <Atrophy> parax... no it's not the firewall, as that's currently off
[01:00] <KingTana> can someone help me please , with setting up dial up
[01:00] <Atrophy> there are... but they all focus on how to get your smb.conf file to look right, which it does
[01:00] <stodge> Hi folks - I just posted this to the forums. Any help appreciated: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=82776#post82776
[01:00] <Blissex> Atrophy: do a nice google search for "smbmount" and "smbfs"
[01:00] <Atrophy> so I'm wondering what else could go wrong
[01:00] <Atrophy> omfg I'm gonna strangle you Blissex... I know how to mount shares...
[01:00] <Atrophy> that isn't the problem
[01:00] <parax> Atrophy, does it work in the command line?
[01:00] <Atrophy> no
[01:01] <parax> hum
[01:01] <Blissex> Atrophy: so why do you write I still can't see my xp box from this computer? That's a bit generic.
[01:01] <Atrophy> I can ping that computer and that works just fine, but samba can't see it
[01:01] <Blissex> Atrophy: Samba is a _server_.
[01:01] <parax> Atrophy, no ping... smbclient I mean
[01:01] <Atrophy> very good, Blissex...
[01:01] <Atrophy> yeah it came up empty
[01:01] <Cindux> hm
[01:01] <Cindux> Could anyone explain to me what X means?
[01:02] <Blissex> Atroph
[01:02] <parax> Cindux, sex
[01:02] <Blissex> Cindux: 'X' as in the ''X windows system''?
[01:02] <Cindux> yes
[01:02] <Cindux> im confused = /
[01:02] <x-256> anyone? how tp change video drivres ?
[01:02] <parax> Cindux, :)
[01:02] <parax> Cindux, it's just the name of this window system
[01:03] <Blissex> Cindux: there used to be a window system called "W", from the first letter of "Window". Then, this was rewritten and its successor was called...
[01:03] <Atrophy> smbclient says that there are no shares on the network... which means it can't see the ones on my linux box and it can't see the ones on my XP box
[01:03] <Cindux> yes but i dont understand what a window system is lol :
[01:03] <Blissex> Atrophy: thats a very inappropriate wau of saying things.
[01:03] <Cindux> I see a bunch of apps as well beginning with X
[01:03] <Blissex> Cindux: a windows system is a piece of software that draws stuff on a screen on behalf of programs.
[01:04] <Cindux> hm could you give an example?
[01:04] <parax> Cindux, yes, this is because they are applications for the x window system
[01:04] <Atrophy> smbstatus shows nothing... that better for you Blissex?
[01:04] <Blissex> Cindux: perhaps you would benefit from a Linux GUI tutorial...
[01:04] <Cindux> lol :9
[01:04] <Blissex> Atrophy: no... What you are really saying is that you dont see a browser list for your workgroup or whatever.
[01:04] <x-256> anyone know how to change the Xserver driver with Ubuntu?
[01:05] <Ziggity> HELP!!.. I can't get monoDevelop installed on Warty.. I thinks I broke somthin
[01:05] <Blissex> Atrophy: try 'smbclient -L HOSTNAME' or 'smbclient -L IPADDR'
[01:05] <fgx> is it possible to use hoary universe with a warty install?
[01:05] <Blissex> Atrophy: sometimes browse list problems exist that are totally independent from share access issues.
[01:05] <crimsun> not without headaches, generally.
[01:05] <Atrophy> right... my other computer is called lerds... and it shows nothing
[01:06] <Ziggity> I get an ... 'unmet dependencies.. package something  is not going to be installed
[01:06] <Atrophy> I think it's the fact that my linux box might be trying to be both a WINS client and server
[01:06] <Ziggity> how do I fix that
[01:06] <Cindux> um
[01:06] <Cindux> hm
[01:06] <Blissex> Atrophy: there is no problem with that.
[01:06] <Atrophy> well all the how-tos say there is
[01:06] <Blissex> Atrophy: first thing, try 'smbclient -L 127.0.0.1'
[01:06] <Atrophy> so ok if that's not a problem then why is it not seeing the shares?
[01:06] <Parallax_> Has anyone know HOWTO "do something" with an ipaq and linux??
[01:06] <Ziggity> HELP!!.. I can't get monoDevelop installed on Warty.. I thinks I broke somthin
[01:06] <Blissex> Atrophy: yes, as to the browse list. But not as to accessing shares.
[01:07] <Atrophy> that shows nothing.
[01:07] <Atrophy> server... comment... nothing under them
[01:07] <Atrophy> at least it got my workgroup right this time...
[01:07] <Atrophy> but it doesn't show either computer.
[01:07] <Blissex> Atrophy: have you restarted the Samba server? As in '/etc/init.d/smb restart'?
[01:07] <Atrophy> yeah
[01:08] <parax> anybody running NetworkManager on Hoary?
[01:08] <Blissex> Atrophy: tail -4 /var/log/samba.log.smbd
[01:08] <Atrophy> ok what's that do?
[01:09] <Atrophy> no such file or directory
[01:09] <Blissex> Atrophy: tail -4 /var/log/samba/log.smbd # oops
[01:09] <Atrophy> v 3.0.10-Ubuntu started.
[01:09] <Blissex> Atrophy: if you dont know what that will do, you need a lot of background information before you can setup and/or debug a Samba setup...
[01:10] <Blissex> Atrophy: and?
[01:10] <x-256> does anyone know how to change their Ubuntu desktop for hardware accelerated grafix, as opposed to FB/Vesa ?
[01:10] <Atrophy> Blissex... you're probably right.  I'm not real used to linux yet... and that's why I've loved this channel so far... except you act like a regular linux person...
[01:11] <Ziggity> how do I use apt-get upgrade to upgrade..
[01:11] <Atrophy> you can't learn if people ignore your questions based on them "not asking the right way"
[01:11] <Ziggity> Its telling me some packages were held back???
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> Ziggity: dist-upgrade
[01:11] <Atrophy> at any rate I think I have it working now as it's now listing a few of my shares
[01:11] <Blissex> Atrophy: the problem is that there is no such thing as ''neurosurgery: the 21 days at home simple course'' :-)
[01:12] <Atrophy> I don't expect there to be
[01:12] <Blissex> Atrophy: setting up Samba can take an experienced network administrators _days_.
[01:12] <Atrophy> but in warty there was a custom samba admin too
[01:12] <Ziggity> HrdwrBoB, Still telling me packages were held back
[01:12] <Atrophy> which is either gone or moved in hoary and I assume moved
[01:12] <Blissex> Atrophy: so if one is a newbie, either things ''just work'' or, bad news.
[01:12] <Atrophy> I was just wanting to know where it's been moved to
[01:12] <Atrophy> no it doesn't mean bad news it means it's time to learn some more
[01:13] <Blissex> Atrophy: yes, but it takes time.
[01:13] <Ziggity> any other suggestions
[01:13] <t482> Anyone document how to install dvd:rip?
[01:13] <Blissex> Atrophy: I can show you around, but I was trying to hint you are asking the wrong questions, which is always a bad sign...
[01:13] <KingTana> can someone help me with dial up (setting it up)
[01:13] <Atrophy> lol Blissex... thank you for pointing out that I'm a n00b...
[01:13] <Atrophy> move on.
[01:14] <Blissex> KingTana: there are plenty of HOWTOs/tutorials. Use 'gppp' or 'wvdial'
[01:14] <bizarro_paco> hi everyone
[01:14] <Ziggity> HrdwrBoB, Still telling me packages were held back
[01:14] <Atrophy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba is the howto I was working off of during warty and it worked just fine
[01:14] <blizah> hello blissex
[01:14] <Blissex> Atrophy: for example, in which _mode_ have you set up shares on your host and/or the XP machines? Domain? Domain authentication? NT Domains? WfW shares?
[01:14] <Atrophy> but they've moved the admin tool
[01:14] <Blissex> blizah: hello!
[01:14] <bizarro_paco> i wanted to know if there was a way i could make sure that my kernel was configured for pcmcia support
[01:14] <Atrophy> NT Domains
[01:15] <Blissex> Atrophy: which admin tool?
[01:15] <crimsun> t482: enable 'multiverse' and install 'dvdrip'
[01:15] <Ziggity> apt-get.. any idea how to upgrade all packages
[01:15] <Atrophy> it used to be under Computer>System Configuration>Networking
[01:15] <Blissex> Atrophy: if you know the name of a tool, just use 'dpkg --search' or 'locate' to find it.
[01:15] <shock> erm... question for someone who has some ideas about plone: how do i get rid of this "posted by no owner" thing?
[01:15] <crimsun> Ziggity: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:15] <Blissex> Atrophy: ahhh, a GUI tool...
[01:15] <Atrophy> and there's a similar one under System>Administration>Networking now but it doesn't allow you to configure samba
[01:16] <Blissex> Atrophy: these details matter sort of greatly :-).
[01:16] <Blissex> Atrophy: there are zillions of GUI tools for Samba, you can use any. Not just SWAT.
[01:16] <shock> hm?
[01:16] <Atrophy> Blissex... don't make me slap you...
[01:16] <gino4466> oh sheesh...
[01:16] <Atrophy> I said right up front I was looking for the GUI
[01:16] <Ziggity> crimsun, I still getting the 'some packages held back' and 28 upgrades WHY>>>
[01:16] <Blissex> Atrophy: for example, for example, try 'locate smb.conf', how many do you get...
[01:17] <Atrophy> and apparently the simple answer is that you don't know where they moved the GUI they used to have
[01:17] <gino4466> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[01:17] <gino4466> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
[01:17] <Atrophy> so just say that and I'll go search elsewhere
[01:17] <Blissex> Atrophy: but that's different from saying something like ''admin tool''. Usually when you say 'tool' one understands a command line program.
[01:17] <gino4466> doesn't that just ooze fun? my root partition is on a SATA drive
[01:18] <Atrophy> when I came in here I asked where they had moved their "GRAPHICAL admin tool"
[01:18] <gino4466> just upgraded to 2.6.10-4
[01:18] <Blissex> Atrophy: but you dont even know the name of that GUI...
[01:18] <Atrophy> that's right
[01:18] <Ziggity> is there a fix option on the apt-get??
[01:18] <Blissex> Atrophy: it is a bit hard to help you find something that used to be somewhere but now is somewhere else but you don't know its name :-).
[01:18] <K-Rich> Has anyone here managed to get xcdroast working?
[01:18] <Atrophy> ok it used to be called "Network Settings
[01:19] <Atrophy> does that help?
[01:19] <Atrophy> of course not...
[01:19] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's not its name, it is the label on the menu entry...
[01:19] <Atrophy> I have no idea what the file underneath the GUI was called... I never checked.
[01:19] <Devinci> you look a little tired atrophy ;)
[01:19] <Blissex> Atrophy: ack. But I gather you have tried some other Samba config tool...
[01:19] <Atrophy> yes... swat... which edited my smb.conf file correctly, but I'm still havign the same issues
[01:20] <Frodo> howdy...any partitioning or bootmanager gurus here?
[01:20] <Blissex> Atrophy: try to see if you can start 'gnosamba'
[01:20] <Atrophy> now, there's something in Hoary called "Network Settings" but it doesn't do what the old one did
[01:20] <Devinci> never used a GUI tool for samba either, but I think there is one with the KDE desktop
[01:21] <Frodo> I have a question about grub for someone in the know about advanced grub configuration and recovery
[01:21] <Atrophy> nope... there's no gnosamba installed
[01:22] <Blissex> Devinci: there are several....
[01:22] <Frodo> Gino: maybe I can help...
[01:22] <K-Rich> does anyone in here use xcdroast?
[01:22] <Blissex> Atrophy: also, try to do 'locate smb.conf'
[01:22] <Devinci> maybe, bt i dont use KDE so I hardly know...
[01:23] <Frodo> Krich, used it for years
[01:23] <gino4466> okay frodo
[01:23] <Blissex> Atrophy: perhaps SWAT put the config in the wrong place.
[01:23] <K-Rich> Frodo: do you have it working on Warty ?
[01:23] <coastGNU_> CeBIT IT Fair, Hannover, Germany. Will there be any presentation, talks, etc of UBUNTU at CeBIT next week?
[01:23] <Atrophy> it's under /etc/samba and /usr/share/samba
[01:23] <Frodo> Havent tried it
[01:23] <Blissex> Atrophy: in the meantime try 'apt-get install gnosamba'
[01:23] <Frodo> I use k3b on warty
[01:23] <Atrophy> both conf files are currently currect
[01:23] <Ziggity> ok.. I think I screwed something up here.. so now I try apt-get install packagename
[01:23] <K-Rich> Frodo: ahh... i can't seem to get it to work with ide or with scsi-emulation on :/
[01:23] <Blissex> Atrophy: how do you know? try 'locate smb.conf | xargs ls -ld'
[01:24] <Atrophy> I just did that and I know because I opened them to check if they were correct after running swat
[01:24] <Ziggity> and I get a depends error.. when I try to install the depends package it sez its already the latest version..So whats goin on here>?>
[01:24] <gino4466> when i boot from my just-upgraded kernel (2.6.10-4-686-smp), i get a kernel panic
[01:24] <Frodo> K-rich , it is not really the app for you to trouble yourself about, k3b is so much more advanced and useful
[01:24] <gino4466> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[01:24] <K-Rich> Frodo: does it need scsi-emulation as well ?
[01:24] <Frodo> not as sensitive
[01:24] <Blissex> Atrophy: then 'cd /var/log/samba/' and have a look at the logs. Do you see anything suspicious in those logs?
[01:24] <crimsun> K-Rich: no, it doesn't.
[01:25] <Atrophy> ok my repositories have no gnosamba in them...
[01:25] <gino4466> Kernel panic: attempted to kill init!
[01:25] <Frodo> it will pick up your ides easily
[01:25] <Blissex> Atrophy: in particular the 'smb' logs, not 'nmb'
[01:25] <Atrophy> hang on lemme check the logs
[01:25] <x-256> can someone please tell me where XF86Config is located. I try changing the one in /etc/X11/ but Ubuntu's Xserver ignores my changes there...
[01:25] <Blissex> Atrophy: dont worry about 'gnosamba' then.
[01:25] <K-Rich> crimsun: sweet never tried it... been using xcdroast for too long heh
[01:25] <Atrophy> ok
[01:25] <crimsun> x-256: warty or hoary?
[01:25] <gino4466> im thinking my SATA drive isn't working right with the kernel
[01:25] <x-256> crimsun, mawray
[01:25] <K-Rich> Frodo: thanks will try now... be back in a few most likely :)_
[01:25] <Frodo> gino: your grub menu must be pointed at the wrong settings
[01:25] <crimsun> x-256: huh?
[01:26] <gino4466> let me check it, brb
[01:26] <x-256> crimsun, i don't understand ur question
[01:26] <crimsun> x-256: Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[01:26] <Atrophy> but in that log directory is a log for my other system
[01:26] <Atrophy> arghh...
[01:26] <x-256> crimsun, how can I tell? i'm new to Ubuntu
[01:26] <Blissex> Atrophy: that is very very bad news.
[01:26] <crimsun> x-256: then it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:26] <Atrophy> yeah
[01:26] <Devinci> Atrophy, you could also get gtksamba
[01:26] <Atrophy> k
[01:26] <Blissex> Atrophy: you are making me suspect your system is a bit messy...
[01:27] <gino4466> Frodo: the working kernel has the same settings
[01:27] <Atrophy> it's a fresh install of hoary
[01:27] <x-256> crimsun, i made changes to that one, but it doesn't take effect  (also, i wanted to do it with some GUI tools, but I guess Ubuntu doesn't have any?)
[01:27] <Atrophy> only thing I've messed with is installing and then uninstalling swat
[01:27] <Frodo> ok is it set to the corrct drives?
[01:27] <StoffBox-Steve> can i update the RadioStation list of the MusikPlayer ?
[01:27] <Blissex> Atrophy: then how comes it has got the wrong logs?
[01:27] <gino4466> no..it looks wrong
[01:27] <Blissex> Atrophy: I dont get it.
[01:27] <gino4466> ill fix it, but i dunno why it would work
[01:27] <PacoBCN_> StoffBox-Steve, a tip, install Streamtuner
[01:27] <gino4466> hmm...
[01:27] <crimsun> x-256: what are the contents of /etc/issue ?
[01:27] <Frodo> well...
[01:27] <Atrophy> It's got the right logs... it's got logs for all my computers
[01:27] <Atrophy> which I don't get...
[01:27] <Atrophy> because if it can't see them it shouldn't have logs for them
[01:28] <StoffBox-Steve> PacoBCN, thx i give it a try :D
[01:28] <Frodo> (hd0,0) = /dev/hda1
[01:28] <x-256> crimsun, /etc/issue is a file
[01:28] <PacoBCN_> ;)
[01:28] <x-256> crimsun, i mean, not a directory, but letme klook inside
[01:28] <crimsun> x-256: yes, what are its contents?
[01:28] <gino4466> my real root partition is /dev/sda3, but both my entries seem to be using /dev/sda2...but that was created as my swap partition
[01:28] <x-256> crimsun, Wraty
[01:28] <x-256> Warty even
[01:28] <gino4466> *sigh* brb
[01:28] <Blissex> Atrophy: what Samba does by default is to open a different log for each client that tries to access it.
[01:28] <Frodo> I obviously cant boot your swap partition
[01:28] <Blissex> Atrophy: plus one for recording ''local'' messages, like startup/shutdown.
[01:29] <Atrophy> ok
[01:29] <Atrophy> so it's got that log because I attempted to login from the other box
[01:29] <Atrophy> ok that makes sense
[01:29] <Frodo> another problem discovered and solved
[01:29] <Blissex> Atrophy: yes, and what does it say?
[01:29] <Atrophy> hang on let me check
[01:29] <crimsun> x-256: what are you attempting to accomplish?
[01:29] <Frodo> but, any grub gurus here...I have a question
[01:29] <elec> how do i update firefox to the last version (I have 0.9.3) ?
[01:29] <Atrophy> that logfile is empty
[01:30] <x-256> crimsun, change from 24bit to 16bit because it's an old laptop and it's painfully slow
[01:30] <crimsun> x-256: what did you chaneg?
[01:30] <Frodo> Elec, get firefox from the site, dont mess with ubuntu servers on that one
[01:30] <crimsun> change, rather
[01:30] <Blissex> Atrophy: then do a nice 'ls -ltr' and find something recent that has got something in it... Samba is pretty good at logging stuff
[01:30] <x-256> crimsun, defaultcolordepth 16
[01:30] <StoffBox-Steve> wow thx for that tip PacoBCN :) really Nice tool
[01:30] <Atrophy> in fact all of the log files are empty
[01:30] <crimsun> x-256: and then you restarted gdm?
[01:30] <PacoBCN_> StoffBox-Steve, I told you :)
[01:30] <PacoBCN_> I use it all the time
[01:31] <crimsun> x-256: btw, it's DefaultDepth 16
[01:31] <Atrophy> yeah all of them are completely empty
[01:31] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's really impossible, because you just told me that 'tail ...log.smbd' had at least one line in them...
[01:31] <robodex> hey, I have a question... if I order a new CD with shipit today, will it be hoary when it comes, or are they still taking orders for warty?
[01:31] <x-256> crimsun, i logged out, i asssume that did it (screen blanked)... u think it didn't eh? ok, letme try again. BTW, can this be done with a  GUI, i wanna give this to some peeople who don't know what Shell means
[01:31] <Atrophy> except for the nmbd one
[01:31] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's really impossible, because you just told me that 'tail ...log.smbd' had at least one line in iy
[01:31] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's really impossible, because you just told me that 'tail ...log.smbd' had at least one line in iy
[01:31] <Blissex> Atrophy: that's really impossible, because you just told me that 'tail ...log.smbd' had at least one line in it OOPS
[01:31] <x-256> crimsun, yeah, i know the other one is deprecated ;)
[01:31] <PacoBCN_> hehe
[01:31] <Atrophy> lol I heard you the first time
[01:32] <PacoBCN_> StoffBox-Steve, and some cool radios too: http://www.somafm.com/
[01:32] <Atrophy> at any rate the ones named after computers and IPs are empty
[01:32] <Atrophy> the .nmbd and .smbd ones have stuff in it
[01:32] <Blissex> Atrophy: OK, so find one that is not empty. And 'less -S log.smbd' and have a scroll
[01:32] <Atrophy> it just has a bunch of times when I started the server
[01:33] <Atrophy> 5 so far
[01:33] <gino4466> *sigh*
[01:33] <gino4466> same result
[01:33] <PacoBCN_> problems with samba?
[01:33] <x-256> crimsun, it was gdm, thank you so much. if u can think of a GUI tool in Ubuntu, i'd appreciate it, coz i need others to be able to do this as well ;)
[01:33] <Atrophy> that was the .smbd one
[01:33] <Atrophy> the .nmbd has times when the server went down...
[01:33] <ver1stead> can anyone tell me where i can find the libtiff3g package(s)?
[01:33] <ver1stead> cuz i cnt find it anywhere
[01:33] <gino4466> i was poking around on the forums, and i found a lot of people having a similar problem, but i didnt really find any one solution
[01:34] <ver1stead> i am not sure which package it would be in
[01:34] <Blissex> Atrophy: no error messages?
[01:34] <crimsun> ver1stead: it's in universe.
[01:34] <StoffBox-Steve> thx a take a look :D
[01:34] <Atrophy> nope
[01:34] <StoffBox-Steve> PacoBCN,
[01:34] <Atrophy> just times when the server went down or up
[01:34] <Blissex> Atrophy: OK, next check then...
[01:34] <Frodo> Hi verl, you get things fixed?
[01:34] <ver1stead> in synaptic?
[01:34] <x-256> crimsun, should kernel upgrades be a snap with Synaptic?  Or is there anything special I should do or look into?
[01:34] <PacoBCN_> I never tried to configure samba "by hand" but through webadmin it's really easy to
[01:34] <ver1stead> Frodo: mostly
[01:34] <ver1stead> more or less
[01:34] <stuNNed> crimsun: muine is in universe afaik
[01:34] <crimsun> x-256: nearly all package handling is a cinch through Synaptic
[01:34] <Frodo> coolness
[01:35] <crimsun> stuNNed: ?
[01:35] <Atrophy> PacoBCN_ where is webadmin in Hoary?
[01:35] <ver1stead> my boot time is still extremely slow
[01:35] <x-256> crimsun, cool.do I have to remove the previous kernel and then install the new one, or just pick the new one?
[01:35] <Atrophy> damnit...
[01:35] <PacoBCN_> I haven't quit!
[01:35] <ver1stead> when i am not home that is
[01:35] <crimsun> x-256: Synaptic handles that
[01:35] <PacoBCN_> did I?
[01:35] <PacoBCN_> :S
[01:35] <Atrophy> lol
[01:35] <Frodo> the file for hotplug settings is easy to find
[01:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: it's crashing often in hoary after running mp3gain on a large mp3 dir, should i file a bug?
[01:35] <crimsun> ver1stead: absolutely
[01:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: i was asking if muine is in universie
[01:35] <ver1stead> it tends to get slow at where it starts to say "Configureing Network interface"
[01:35] <Frodo> /etc/hotplug
[01:35] <Frodo> something
[01:35] <ver1stead> Crimsun: i looked
[01:35] <crimsun> stuNNed: absolutely
[01:35] <ver1stead> Frodo yea i tried that
[01:35] <crimsun> stuNNed: 0.8.2-5ubuntu1 is hoary/universe
[01:36] <x-256> crimsun, one more question: I have two kernels installed under /lib/modules and /boot .. they are 2.6.8.1-3 and -5  ..why is this?
[01:36] <Frodo> you can blacklist certain devices from auto loading
[01:36] <stuNNed> crimsun: do i need to copy anybody or defaults is good?
[01:36] <ver1stead> and i added what i thought was my airport card (cuz they said wireless, and airport) so i added those to the blacklist
[01:36] <crimsun> x-256: -5 is a security update
[01:36] <crimsun> stuNNed: defaults are fine.
[01:36] <Frodo> did that help?
[01:36] <x-256> crimsun, ok, but it doesn't show them as installed in the Synaptics proggie, isn't that strange?
[01:36] <gino4466> what's the module for SATA drives?
[01:36] <ver1stead> crimsun: is it possible to be under a different package name or included in some other package?
[01:37] <crimsun> x-256: "them"?
[01:37] <Blissex> Atrophy: wait a sec
[01:37] <crimsun> ver1stead: are you using warty?
[01:37] <x-256> crimsun, both the installed kernels don't show as "installed" in Synaptics
[01:37] <ver1stead> yea
[01:37] <ver1stead> crimsun: yea i am
[01:37] <Atrophy> k
[01:38] <crimsun> ver1stead: warty has libtiff4-dev [warty-security] 
[01:38] <ver1stead> ah
[01:38] <Blissex> Atrophy: paste the result of: netstat --inet -a -n | sort -t: +1n  | egrep "13[789] |445"
[01:38] <Atrophy> k
[01:38] <Blissex> Atrophy: just to check the server is up and attached to the right addresses and ports.
[01:39] <gino4466> uhh, how do i find out what SATA controller i have? and possibly what driver i need?
[01:39] <Blissex> Atrophy: in the meantime try 'smblient -L IPADDRofAWINDOWSSERVER'
[01:39] <Blissex> Atrophy: in the meantime try 'smbclient -L IPADDRofAWINDOWSSERVER' # oops
[01:39] <ver1stead> interesting found it thanx crimsun
[01:39] <Atrophy> k
[01:39] <Blissex> gino4466: try 'lspci'
[01:39] <gino4466> right
[01:39] <gino4466> brb.
[01:39] <foznot> i am trying to turn on dma for my dvd-rom, so i want to add a line to modules.conf and i don't know how to do it in modutils...any help please on how to do this?
[01:40] <ver1stead> now anyone able to tell me how to maybe get rid of the "configuring network interface" upon startup
[01:40] <ver1stead> cuz that is extremely slowing the boot time down
[01:40] <ver1stead> it ain't bad when i am at home
[01:40] <Atrophy> wtf? now it's listing my shares...
[01:40] <ver1stead> but otherwise it sux
[01:40] <Atrophy> ok so that's good news...
[01:40] <ver1stead> it seems to only work if i am within range of my router
[01:41] <ver1stead> and i am on a laptop so i am not always within range
[01:41] <crimsun> x-256: linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-... and linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-...?
[01:41] <Atrophy> now let's see if the network neighborhood can see it
[01:41] <Atrophy> umm... ok now that works too LOL...
[01:41] <Blissex> Atrophy: evidently the problem is more like the browse list took a bit to come up.
[01:41] <x-256> crimsun, found them sorry. what are Restricted modules ?
[01:41] <Atrophy> yeah but it was broke for like 3 hours and then all the sudden decides to work now?
[01:41] <Atrophy> weird...
[01:41] <Atrophy> whatver... at least it works
[01:41] <crimsun> x-256: modules with restrictive licenses
[01:42] <zul> gino4466, depends on your sata card what kind is it?
[01:42] <Blissex> Atrophy: I suggest that you find the nearest wall with a strong hard surface and hit your forefront repeatedly on it :-)
[01:42] <PacoBCN_> dammit!
[01:42] <PacoBCN_> i couldn't compile mplayer
[01:42] <x-256> crimsun, nonGPL ?
[01:42] <gino4466> onboard
[01:42] <crimsun> PacoBCN_: warty?
[01:42] <gino4466> intel ICH5
[01:42] <PacoBCN_> hoary
[01:42] <Blissex> Atrophy: browse list issues can be weird. That's why one should first check with 'smbclient' using the IP address.
[01:42] <crimsun> PacoBCN_: don't want to use the one in multiverse?
[01:42] <ver1stead> i assume that the enlightenment windows manager is not supported on 'warty'
[01:42] <Blissex> Atrophy: next check with the DNS domain name, and next with the NetBIOS name.
[01:42] <PacoBCN_> crimsun, where is it?
[01:42] <ver1stead> i would have to have hoary for that
[01:43] <Atrophy> ok well the netbios name works
[01:43] <zul> gino4466: do you know what module you loaded in your old kernel?
[01:43] <crimsun> PacoBCN_: in multiverse.
[01:43] <gino4466> well..i'm in that kernel now
[01:43] <gino4466> any way i can find out?
[01:43] <Atrophy> new problem... when clicking on the computer in the network neighborhood you get an error that it's of the wrong extension
[01:43] <zul> gino4466: lsmod
[01:43] <Blissex> Atrophy: if the NetBIOS name works, that means the browser list is fully up.
[01:43] <Atrophy> but the icon is correct and if you look at the properties it says it's of type smb-share
[01:44] <Blissex> Atrophy: that probably is a Nautilus issue.
[01:44] <Atrophy> ok
[01:44] <Blissex> Atrophy: I suggest switching to #Gnome. There may also be #Nautilus.
[01:44] <chillywilly> nautilus still needs more lovin'
[01:44] <zul> gino4466: it could be something like sata_
[01:44] <gino4466> i see nothing that says sata anywhere in it
[01:44] <chillywilly> #gnome is not on this IRC network, at least no the official one
[01:44] <Blissex> Atrophy: note that there are a few other SMB share browsers...
[01:44] <chillywilly> not*
[01:44] <gino4466> i do have scsi_mod though, and i know i have no real SCSI devices
[01:44] <Blissex> Atrophy: try 'apt-cache search smb
[01:45] <x-256> is this ubuntu stupid?  i tried installing the 686kernel from the CDROM and it's trying to get it off the NET, and it fails of course coz I have no NIC!
[01:45] <zul> gino4466: what is your drives mounted as? /dev/sda
[01:45] <gino4466> yeah
[01:45] <Atrophy> I've used LinNeighborhood on my Mandrake box before... do you have one that you reccomend?
[01:46] <gino4466> ah
[01:46] <gino4466> sd_mod
[01:46] <Blissex> Atrophy: I am a command line person, always use 'smbclient'...
[01:46] <EricNeon> hi all!
[01:46] <gino4466> i have a module called sd_mod loaded...i guess that's it?
[01:46] <chillywilly> bah, smb sucks ;)
[01:47] <Blissex> Atrophy: when a few can be listed with 'apt-cache search smb' and installed with 'apt-get install ...' you kmight as well try a couple.
[01:47] <zul> gino4466: do you have a pata mode in your bios?
[01:47] <Blissex> chillywilly: actually it does not suck as bad a NFS :-), but still.
[01:47] <Atrophy> yeah
[01:47] <Blissex> x-256: perhaps you need to run 'apt-cdrom' to inform your APT database you have that CD.
[01:47] <chillywilly> fine then, samba sucks with windows xp ;) there I am being more specific now
[01:48] <Blissex> x-256: using 'apt-cdrom' is easy, just read 'man apt-cdrom'.
[01:48] <gino4466> and i'm bac
[01:48] <gino4466> k
[01:48] <chillywilly> w00t
[01:48] <gino4466> i don't know what the heck i did, but i know i suck at using bitchx
[01:48] <x-256> Blissex, perhaps, but shouldn't Synaptics do the job, it's a GUI that's supposed to keep me from typing in the console.. it's counter intuitive
[01:48] <gino4466> so...where was i? ah yes.
[01:48] <raydogg> how do i make eth1 initialize on bootup, right now I have to run the command ifconfig eth1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[01:48] <gino4466> zul: i'm guessing sd_mod is it?
[01:49] <zul> gino4466: gimme a sec
[01:49] <gino4466> k
[01:49] <Blissex> x-256: ahhh, almost surely Synaptic has got the equivalent menu entry, but you have to tell it to scan the CD.
[01:50] <Blissex> x-256: I have just started it, to see which menu entry you need.
[01:50] <x-256> i love how they think that should be understood. there's no way I can give this computer to a non computer person and expect them to be able to install/uninstall stuff
[01:50] <x-256> Blissex, thank you
[01:50] <Atrophy> x-256, under synaptic open your repositories list
[01:50] <Blissex> x-256: it is 'Edit>Add CDrom'
[01:50] <foznot> i want to add options ide-cd dma=1 into /etc/modules.conf, what dir of /etc/modutiles do i place that in?
[01:50] <gino4466> edit > add cd-rom? unless it's different on warty
[01:50] <ver1stead> so does anyone know why some of my system configuration utilites say "the configuration could not be loaded, there was an error running the backend script."
[01:50] <Atrophy> what he said...
[01:51] <Blissex> Atrophy: that lists them...
[01:51] <gino4466> lol
[01:51] <ver1stead> this happens in my networking utility
[01:51] <Atrophy> Blissex... you can add them there too
[01:51] <ver1stead> and my time and date configuration utility
[01:51] <gino4466> cept its messier
[01:51] <Blissex> Atrophy: ah, interesting, and logical :-)
[01:51] <gino4466> :-P
[01:51] <ver1stead> and i ain't sure how to fix it
[01:51] <zul> gino4466: do this...go to /etc/mkinitrd
[01:51] <gino4466> already there
[01:51] <gino4466> add sd_mod to the list?
[01:51] <zul> yeah try that
[01:51] <gino4466> k
[01:51] <x-256> Blissex, i added it and when it said do u want to add another I said no, and it closed Synaptics on me!!!! jezus
[01:51] <gino4466> then...reinstall the kernel package?
[01:51] <gino4466> or what
[01:52] <zul> gino4466: gimme a sec
[01:52] <Blissex> x-256: system adinistration is not something for end users, either under MS Windows or Linux/UNIX/...
[01:52] <gino4466> i found a post somewhere about it, but i wasnt sure what my module was
[01:52] <gino4466> im gonna go try that, brb
[01:52] <x-256> Blissex, ok, so to add the 2.6.8.1-5-686 kernel do I pick one entry (and the deps will take care of the rest) or do I have to pick each entry myself?
[01:52] <zul> gino4466: k
[01:52] <Blissex> x-256: and some versions of Synaptic are buggy.
[01:52] <Atrophy> LOL Blissex... I know lots of end users who would disagree
[01:52] <x-256> Atrophy, right
[01:53] <Blissex> x-256: the deps are handled automagically.
[01:53] <x-256> Blissex, i hope grub too, coz I only know lilo
[01:53] <Atrophy> I work tech support for a living... there are LOTS of people willing to give it a shot to varying levels of success
[01:53] <ver1stead> ok.......... so i guess no one can help me with that then
[01:53] <ver1stead> fine
[01:53] <ver1stead> w/e
[01:53] <Blissex> Atrophy: I knwo that type of end user -- then they come to me asking me to fix their messes...
[01:53] <StoffBox-Steve> Blissex, but windows the ways is easy .. you can klick here klick here klick here! you dont need to know what you are doing :)
[01:53] <Atrophy> ditto...
[01:53] <ver1stead> ver1stead is not very happy
[01:54] <Atrophy> but that's fine with me... I show them how the thing works and why this needs to be done, and then we've both learned more about our computers
[01:54] <Blissex> Atrophy: sure, it _looks_ like it works. But then MS Windows users have been trianed to consider ''reformat and reinstall'' as a default system administration activity.
[01:54] <Atrophy> the only kind that piss me off are those who are unwilling to learn
[01:54] <x-256> Blissex, ok, everything is clean, lets see if it gets the deps right
[01:54] <Atrophy> nah... you have to f up your xp system pretty bad before I'd have to reinstall
[01:54] <Blissex> x-256: if there is one thing that APT/Synaptics is about guaranteed to get right is the deps.
[01:54] <Atrophy> I'm good at fixing XP issues
[01:54] <x-256> Blissex, it didn't highlight them, u think I should go ahead and tell it to install it ?
[01:55] <Atrophy> I got my trusty knoppix and xp discs and I can fix just about anything
[01:55] <x-256> Blissex, I dunno,the modules are not highlighted ....
[01:55] <Blissex> x-256: go ahead! Onwards to progress!
[01:55] <Atrophy> *nix, on the other hand... no idea whatsoever.
[01:55] <Blissex> x-256: you can always add them later if you need specific modules.
[01:55] <x-256> Blissex, just as I thought!  It FAILED, because once again it's trying to download them off the net! how dumb is this program. Please help me out here
[01:56] <Atrophy> but then, I grew up with M$, and I didn't grow up with *nix
[01:56] <Blissex> Atrophy: yes, I noticed. BTW I started to take you seriously when you answered NT Domain, thus demonstrating you had done a bit of himework.
[01:56] <Blissex> x-256: what is it trying to download off the net?
[01:56] <Blissex> x-256: specifically?
[01:56] <ver1stead> anyone here able to help me with this backend script error
[01:56] <ver1stead> google ain't helping
[01:57] <x-256> the kernel that's on the CDROM
[01:57] <PacoBCN_> One question. In hoary, multiverse, mplayer-custom is compiled without GUI, right?
[01:57] <cowbud> is it just me who has the issue in hoary where dbus restarts and suddenly all my mount points show up on the desktop (Which I actually want) but it doesn't do it consistantly enough so I put folders there then I apt-get upgraded and now I have both great. How can I get the mount points to stay or to not appear ever? any ideas?
[01:57] <gino4466> *sigh*
[01:57] <gino4466> *cries*
[01:57] <gino4466> wait, what am i doing..i have /me
[01:57] <Blissex> x-256: let's do this... Got to 'Settings>Repositories' and make sure the CD repository is before all the others.
[01:57] <Blissex> PacoBCN_: 'gmplayer'?
[01:58] <Atrophy> well take everyone seriously, Blissex... even if I didn't know what I was doing, I would still have a real problem, ya know?
[01:58] <zul> gino4466: what are you getting now?
[01:58] <gino4466> same thing
[01:58] <PacoBCN_> blissex, nop
[01:58] <x-256> it's there but u can't move it up  or down
[01:58] <Blissex> Atrophy: ah sure, but there is a difference between someone who has done homework and someone who is shooting in the dark.
[01:58] <PacoBCN_> I'll try mplayer-386
[01:58] <gino4466> i could've sworn that sd_mod was the right module
[01:58] <Blissex> PacoBCN_: as in 'apt-get install gmplayer'?
[01:59] <Blissex> x-256: that's odds.
[01:59] <Blissex> x-256: that's odd.
[01:59] <PacoBCN_> Blissex, It didn't find any gmplayer
[01:59] <gino4466> zul: maybe it didn't take when i reinstalled the kernel package
[01:59] <PacoBCN_> I think that's the command name to execute it after installed
[01:59] <dazed_> i need help bad my gdm isnt loading when i boot up my comp...i dunno why?
[01:59] <Blissex> PacoBCN_: do a search for the Marillat repository....
[01:59] <dazed_> the package is installed
[01:59] <PacoBCN_> Blissex, that's the one I used to have
[01:59] <Blissex> dazed_: odds are your X is not configured right.
[01:59] <PacoBCN_> and it didn't do full screen resolution
[01:59] <Atrophy> ok now moving on to the other problems LOL
[02:00] <ver1stead> ANYONE ABLE TO HELP @ ALL
[02:00] <dazed_> how do i restart my x or configure my x blissex
[02:00] <zul> gino4466: so you modified your /etc/mkinitrd/modules and then mkinitrd -o /myinitrd ?
[02:00] <Atrophy> whenever I move my scroll wheel it scrolls correctly but it also brings up the right click menu... anyione else have that happen?
[02:00] <Blissex> ver1stead: state your probblem with specifics.
[02:00] <gino4466> well i was thinking about doing that, but the post i was checking out recommending just reinstalling the package..but i don't know why i listen to posts
[02:00] <Blissex> Atrophy: check your 'Buttons' and 'ZAxis' options are right in the X config.
[02:00] <gino4466> ill do that, brb
[02:01] <dazed_> blissex how do i restart my x or configure my x
[02:01] <Blissex> cowbud: odds are that the issue is not with DBus, but with 'udev'/'hotplug', which are often a bit temperamental.
[02:01] <PacoBCN_> dazed: Control + Backspace
[02:01] <PacoBCN_> dazed: Control + Alt + Backspace
[02:01] <Blissex> dazed_: I think there is an HOWTO on the Ubuntu web site on configuring the X server.
[02:02] <delltony> anyne here ever setup a yes i know crappy dell printer with linux? i dont know what to enter for the username when i localhost:631 i'm assuming its cups cause i typed lppasswd -a cups and then entered a password but i can't seem to get pass the login screen
[02:02] <ver1stead> ok.... when i boot my computer into Ubuntu, it goes through the whole boot process and loads hotplugs and what not... then it says "configuring network interface" and hangs there for about 10 minutes before booting, unless i am at home, in which case it boots right away ( i think this has to do with my wifi access)
[02:02] <ver1stead> so seemingly it works great when i am in range of my own router
[02:02] <ver1stead> but otherwise it doesn't
[02:02] <ver1stead> and i changed the hotplugs
[02:02] <Blissex> ver1stead: no, when you are in range of your or your ISP's name server.
[02:02] <ver1stead> huh?
[02:03] <Blissex> ver1stead: you can't expect the same '/etc/resolv.conf' to work in two completely different environments.
[02:03] <ver1stead> well no... i am not trying to access the internet
[02:03] <ver1stead> i only want to turn on the machine
[02:03] <zul> gino4466: ill be back in half an hour
[02:03] <ver1stead> but it keeps looking for a connection
[02:03] <dazed> blissex how do i configure my x
[02:04] <ver1stead> unless i am within range of a router or a network
[02:04] <ver1stead> then it boots immediately
[02:04] <Blissex> ver1stead: yes, but during boot obviously some daemon tries to start and to resolve a domain name, and it asks your DNS server, and wait and waits for a reply.
[02:04] <gino4466> zul: k
[02:04] <ver1stead> and i cnt wait ten minutes when i am out somewhere for it to boot
[02:04] <gino4466> zul: thanks
[02:04] <ver1stead> Blissex is there a way to fix that?
[02:04] <Blissex> ver1stead:as I said, it is a classic DNS server ''missing'' problem.
[02:05] <Atrophy> ok Emulate3Buttons was true so I put it to false... and ZAxis Mapping is "4 5"
[02:05] <dazed> anyone know how i can configure my X so that my gdm boots up
[02:05] <ver1stead> well can i have it not look for my DNS server
[02:05] <Atrophy> leave that one alone?
[02:05] <Blissex> ver1stead: ah, find the daemon that during startup needs the DNS resolution.
[02:05] <Blissex> Atrophy: and 'Buttons' is 5?
[02:05] <raydogg> How can i make eth1 initialize automatically ?
[02:05] <Blissex> Atrophy: the mapping is fine.
[02:05] <delltony> whats strange is it detects the dell photo printer 720 in system->printing but it ask for a driver and i don't know where to point it
[02:05] <Blissex> raydogg: 'man 5 interfaces'
[02:05] <Atrophy> ok
[02:06] <Atrophy> c u all in a minute then
[02:06] <Blissex> delltony: you need to look at the CUPS PPD repository online.
[02:06] <PacoBCN_> all this work for nothing
[02:06] <cowbud> Blissex: hrmm ok is it standard for ubuntu to just not show the devices on the desktop?
[02:06] <Blissex> cowbud: depends...
[02:06] <dazed> grrr...someone please help me configure my x so that my gdm boots up..i get this ridculous looking login screen when i boot my comp
[02:06] <PacoBCN_> some how mplayer doesn't stretches the image when I fullscreen it
[02:06] <delltony> i pointed it to lexmark z600 which is the same printer from what i'm told maybe that will work
[02:07] <cowbud> PacoBCN_: put -zoom on the cmdline
[02:07] <Blissex> cowbud: as I said, 'udev'/hotplug' can be pretty temperamental, and then perhaps your DBus server has some issues.
[02:07] <delltony> yeah that works
[02:07] <shock> n8 all
[02:07] <Blissex> delltony: yes, almost always a compatible printer works.
[02:07] <PacoBCN_> forget it, I think now it works
[02:07] <PacoBCN_> I had to chose xv X11/Xv
[02:07] <PacoBCN_> in the Video preferences instead of x11
[02:07] <Blissex> delltony: most manufacturers like car manufacturarer put the same  circuit boards in all their printers.
[02:07] <Atrophy> hmm... no effect.
[02:07] <dazed> how do i configure my x so that my gdm loads PLEASE HELP!
[02:08] <PacoBCN_> I wish I knew it before
[02:08] <Blissex> dazed: what exactly happens?
[02:08] <x-256> Blissex, i guess one more question: why in Synaptics, are there two linux-heders .. one is 2.6.8.1-3 (26.1MB) and the other ends in -386 and is 17.4MB ... which one should I have installed ?
[02:08] <Blissex> dazed: does X start? If it starts, how?
[02:08] <Blissex> x-256: both.
[02:08] <Blissex> x-256: the dependencies will handle that IIRC.
[02:08] <StoffBox-Steve> i dont need to compile a new kernel, when i whant to install a bootsplash on hoary | 2.6.10 or ?
[02:08] <foznot> i cannot get dma to turn on for my dvd-rom, any ehlp?
[02:09] <dazed> blissex: ok...this happened recently ...i boot my comp and the last thing it says before it boots up...it says with an orange * that gdm is not being loaded....then my login screen is this reall bland GNU/Debian login and its not my ubuntu login where i can select my sessions
[02:09] <x-256> Blissex, well while it was installing it complained about some module directory being already present there... i dunno, hope u are right , letme see if i can compile this driver
[02:09] <delltony> well considering lexmark z600 is the same exact printer as a dell 720
[02:09] <delltony> :)
[02:09] <Blissex> x-256: dont compile drivers!
[02:09] <delltony> just a different name
[02:09] <dazed> blissex: i have no idea if X starts....im new to linux
[02:09] <Blissex> x-256: which driver?
[02:09] <x-256> Blissex, for me wireless
[02:10] <Blissex> dazed: when you turn on your PC, what do you see on the screen at the end of boot?
[02:10] <gurran> is there an easy devolment tool like "totalcommander" for ubuntu ?
[02:10] <Blissex> x-256: you are pretty doomed. Which particular wireless driver>
[02:10] <Blissex> gurran: sort of.
[02:10] <dazed> blissex: GDM is not being loaded
[02:10] <dazed> thats what it says
[02:10] <Blissex> gurran: there is a very flexible mass deployment tool for Debian, and should work with ubuntu too
[02:11] <Blissex> dazed: but what is on the screen?
[02:11] <x-256> Blissex, I'm not doomed, I know about linux, just not Ubuntu crazyness :)   It's (so that NOBODY makes a mistake and buys this shit) a Realtek 8180L chip, and fortunately some nice guy just brought out the first OSS drivers today even!
[02:11] <dazed> blissex: it loads up the GNU/Debian login and its grey and its not the ubuntu login screen
[02:12] <Blissex> dazed: so it is not a console login, it is graphical. Is it? Nice windows and the logo?
[02:12] <gurran> Blissex if u arent to busy could i have the namn of that ?
[02:12] <gurran> name*
[02:12] <dazed> its not very nice...its not too graphical...looks very bare
[02:13] <dazed> one window
[02:13] <ubuntu2u> ummm when i try to watch a movie online it says the required plugin is x-mplayer2 what do i type in, in the terminal to get this plugin?
[02:13] <Blissex> dazed: OK, then what you need to do is to tell the system to start GDM instead of that.
[02:13] <dazed> and i cant select sessions
[02:13] <dazed> how do i do that?
[02:13] <Blissex> dazed: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[02:13] <kidloco> hy all
[02:14] <Blissex> dazed: login, edit that. probalby it now says 'xdm', put 'gdm' instead.
[02:14] <dazed> Blissex: im really hardcore newb...what do i do with that string type it in terM?
[02:14] <Blissex> dazed: log in, then _edit_ that file.
[02:14] <CarlK> I logged into the wiki, and now a page says both "#  You are not logged in" in the upper right, and "'Welcome. You are now logged in.', 'Welcome. You are now logged in.'] " just below the "view, backlinks, subscribe" tabs
[02:14] <CarlK> anyone here up on the wiki?
[02:15] <x-256> THis Ubuntu package manager is trully stupid. As soon as it was done installing the kernel it "forgot" about the cdrom and told me that there are still things that need installing.. of course it failed once gain to realize that they are on the net and I don't have a fscking net connection
[02:15] <Blissex> dazed: you now, it is a text file, and you can use something like 'gedit' to cjhange it.
[02:15] <dazed> ok
[02:15] <dazed> im in
[02:15] <PacoBCN_> is there a way to remove all the -dev libraries?
[02:15] <dazed> it says /usr/bin/xdm
[02:15] <x-256> at least Grub was installed right
[02:15] <PacoBCN_> I mean I need space
[02:15] <dazed> /usr/bin/X11/xdm ******
[02:16] <dazed> change to ???/????/gdm?
[02:16] <Blissex> PacoBCN_: change the 'xdm' to gdm'... But wait a sec.
[02:16] <Blissex> dazed: change the 'xdm' to gdm'... But wait a sec.
[02:16] <PacoBCN_> :D
[02:16] <dazed> ok
[02:16] <gurran> =)
[02:16] <kidloco> anyone here runing ubuntu on a ppc computer ?
[02:17] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > I just installed it
[02:17] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > hah
[02:17] <Blissex> dazed: open a console window, and type 'which gdm'
[02:17] <x-256> Blissex, is there away to turn off daemons/services from the Ubuntu GUI?
[02:17] <gurran> i consider my amd 2400+ as an pc with power hahah
[02:17] <dazed> blissex: /usr/bin/gdm thats the string i use i take it?
[02:17] <Blissex> x-256: I think so... Something like 'system services' control panel. Or the SysV editor. But I dont use Gnome...
[02:17] <x-256> ok thank u
[02:17] <Blissex> dazed: exactly!
[02:18] <dazed> blissex: thanks ill reboot and see if it worked
[02:18] <x-256> Blissex, what do u use btw ?
[02:18] <Blissex> dazed: OK...
[02:18] <x-256> OH GOD!
[02:19] <x-256> no gcc installed!
[02:19] <Blissex> x-256: depends... I am mostly a command line guy. I use mostly for GUI FVWM/KDE, but I do _all_ system administration using command line.
[02:19] <x-256> not again! not again with this Synaptics thing
[02:19] <x-256> Blissex, i usually do too, but I thought i'd take a break and try Ubuntu and their GUI environ... why oh why did I want that
[02:20] <Blissex> x-256: Ubuntu is a very nice prepackaged system for newbies that dont want to do sysadam; everything precanned.
[02:20] <sw0rdSavy> does anyone have any info on where I could get my xfce to look good
[02:20] <Blissex> x-256: if you want to do sysadm, then you need to become a Debian sysadm :-)
[02:20] <Blissex> sw0rdSavy: the XFCE.org site has links to several themes.
[02:20] <x-256> i have a debian on my powerbook and slackware everywhere else ;)
[02:21] <gurran> Blissex: what was the name of the "Totalcommander" like software for linux ?
[02:21] <gurran> i men for ubuntu
[02:21] <Blissex> sw0rdSavy: and the Ubuntu/Debian repositories have many many of them ready made.
[02:22] <Blissex> gurran: for Debian... I am slightly busy. join #Debian, dont tell them you sue Ubuntu, and ask just about the mass deployment tool, someone there almost surely will just remember it
[02:22] <gurran> okaay thx
[02:23] <BobaFett> hey guys...any idea how to play WMV videos in Ubuntu? I did a search in Synaptic for wmv codecs but couldnt find onw...
[02:24] <CarlK> mplayer
[02:24] <Blissex> BobaFett: they are proprietary Microsoft sw and Ubuntu cannot distribute them.
[02:24] <BobaFett> But there are supposed to be unofficial codecs, Blissex...right?
[02:24] <BobaFett> at least thats what I read at Ubuntu wiki
[02:25] <CarlK> that doesn't mean you can't get them yourself
[02:25] <crimsun> get 'w32codecs'. There are instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:26] <BobaFett> I tried to get w32codecs by adding the repos that wiki indicated...but didnt succeed...
[02:26] <Zugot> which php should i install with hoary?
[02:27] <crimsun> BobaFett: the ftp.nerim.net repo?
[02:28] <wk1989> damn!
[02:28] <BobaFett> Yep, crimsun
[02:28] <BobaFett> that one
[02:28] <wk1989> my teacher is stupid
[02:28] <fsc> good to know that i wasn't crazy when i reported that xorg 6.8.2 upgrade has major redraw/refresh issues
[02:29] <crimsun> fsc: using which driver?
[02:29] <fsc> crimsun: all drivers
[02:29] <wk1989> "list 3 cons of digital signals?", does that even make any sense?
[02:29] <crimsun> fsc: I haven't had any problems with 6.8.2-1 (yes, I know -2's in) and Nvidia's 1.0-6629
[02:30] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > im trying to install FAD on my PPC ubuntu machine, but i keep getting this error: bash: ./fadsetup: cannot execute binary file
[02:30] <fsc> crimsun: the problem still exists in -2 too.  some ndvidia people aren't experiencing it apparently, and others are
[02:30] <thoreauputic> chmod +x fadsetup  ?
[02:30] <sw0rdSavy> would installing an xfce theme make my computer more sluggish
[02:31] <Blissex> sw0rdSavy: depends on the theme --some are pretty heavy.
[02:31] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > did the chmod already
[02:32] <x-256> Blissex, is there a way to configure the network on Ubuntu ?
[02:32] <stodge> I'm getting the following when I try to mount a CD:
[02:32] <stodge> mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[02:32] <stodge> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[02:32] <stodge>        or too many mounted file systems
[02:32] <stodge> The write-protected part is ok, but it's configured as vfat
[02:32] <stodge> Am I missing something?
[02:33] <CarlK> where is vfat set?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> vfat? Is /dev/hdc a CD-ROM ?
[02:33] <stodge> Doh sorry I mean iso9660
[02:33] <Blissex> x-256: yes for sure...
[02:34] <stodge> Too busy thinking of my windows mounted drive :P
[02:34] <thoreauputic> stodge: ah
[02:34] <stodge> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 rw,user,noauto  0       0
[02:34] <Cindux> woo
[02:34] <Cindux> workin now
[02:34] <Blissex> stodge: as a rule you cannot expect 'vfat' on a CD
[02:34] <Cindux> um
[02:34] <stodge> blissex: I mistyped :)
[02:34] <Blissex> stodge: do a manual mount.
[02:34] <Cindux> I was fiddling with the themes & made by 2 of my own
[02:34] <Cindux> just wondering how to remove one ?
[02:35] <Blissex> x-256: trouble is, there is a nice GUI for network config. but as I said I only do command line sysadm.
[02:35] <Blissex> x-256: or else 'man 5 interfaces' :-)
[02:35] <stodge> Blissex: "Only root can do that"
[02:35] <Blissex> stodge: yes of course.
[02:35] <stodge> brw-rw----    1 root     cdrom     22,   0 2005-03-02 19:25 /dev/hdc
[02:35] <stodge> Hmm, I thought it would be configured to let a normal user mount it
[02:36] <Blissex> stodge: if 'mount' is setuid root
[02:36] <x-256> bleh
[02:36] <stodge> How do I know that?
[02:36] <x-256> well thanks for all the help
[02:36] <Blissex> stodge: also, change the 'rw' in '/etc/fstab' to 'ro'
[02:36] <x-256> time to eat
[02:36] <encolpe>  Is there some zope products debian mainteners here ?
[02:36] <Neil3> speaking of the mount command, i always feel a bit weird issuing the 'man mount' command ;)
[02:36] <x-256> the card driver compiled and loaded, now all i need is configs
[02:36] <stodge> lol
[02:36] <johnwl> does anyone know of any cool distributed computing projects (like seti@home) for linux
[02:36] <Blissex> stodge: ls -ld /bin/mount
[02:37] <stodge> -rwsr-xr-x    1 root     root        76888 2004-09-24 10:06 /bin/mount
[02:37] <thoreauputic> johnwl: folding@home is another
[02:37] <Blissex> stodge: fine, then you should not be gettin an error.
[02:37] <Cindux> Hm so does anyone know how?
[02:37] <Cindux> to remove a custom theme*
[02:37] <Cindux> I didn't see an option to anywhere
[02:37] <johnwl> thx
[02:37] <stodge> Hmmm
[02:37] <Cindux> even tried theme details
[02:37] <Blissex> Neil3: I usually write 'man 8 mount' just to avoid misunderstandings :-)
[02:38] <gino4466> zol: back?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Cindux: have you looked in ~/.themes ?
[02:38] <Blissex> Cindux: the same way you installed it: manually.
[02:38] <arbeck> can someone help me with changing the refresh rate?
[02:38] <stodge> Good thing the command isn'
[02:38] <stodge> oops
[02:38] <Blissex> stodge: also, put yourself in the 'cdrom' group.
[02:38] <stodge> Good thing the command isn't "mount man"
[02:38] <Cindux> bla i havent
[02:38] <Cindux> lol
[02:38] <stodge> Already checked that blissex: I'm int it
[02:38] <stodge> (in it)
[02:39] <Cindux> ill check '~/.themes' now
[02:39] <stodge> cdrom:x:24:mike,hal
[02:39] <Cindux> brb
[02:39] <Blissex> stodge: then it must work... Unless the CD is buggered.
[02:39] <Blissex> stodge: try 'isochk /dev/hdc'
[02:39] <stodge> I guess it could be broken. I'll try another one :)
[02:40] <stodge> Don't have that installd
[02:40] <Blissex> stodge: oops, 'isovfy /dev/hdc'
[02:40] <stodge> :)
[02:40] <arbeck> i just got a new monitor, and I need to change the resolution to 1280x1024 75Hz, but the only option i'm giving is 60Hz
[02:40] <carajean> has anyone got an ipod mini to work with ubuntu?
[02:40] <setuid_w00t> A friend of mine mentioned a live cd based on ubuntu that he liked.  I believe it was about 250MB in size.  Can anyone tell me the name of this live cd?
[02:40] <Blissex> arbeck: then dont lie about the monitor parameters...
[02:41] <Blissex> carajean: just ask specific technical questions.
[02:41] <stodge> Maybe the CD was buggered or empty
[02:41] <stodge> I was trying to write a new ISO using Nautilus
[02:41] <arbeck> Blissex: what do you mean lie?
[02:41] <carajean> ok how to mount an ipod mini in order to transfer songs to it?
[02:41] <Blissex> arbeck: the configurator computes the legal refresh rates based on the monitor parameters you give to it.
[02:42] <Blissex> carajean: there are plenty pf tutorials, HOWTOs and FAQs on that.
[02:42] <stodge> What's the best Gtk CD burner?
[02:42] <Blissex> stodge: none :-)
[02:42] <stodge> lol Oh
[02:42] <Blissex> stodge: 'xcdroast' is old but still more or less OK, not very cool though.
[02:42] <drspin> I have a Voodoo 4 and I just updated a fresh Warty install to Hoary on my dual celeron processor machine and the only display mode I can use is 640x480 :/
[02:42] <Quest-Master> stodge: Nautilus.. I use K3b for music CDs and stuff
[02:42] <stodge> Ok what's the ok-est :)
[02:42] <PacoBCN_> I love graveman
[02:43] <arbeck> Blissex: well... i think it's still computing from my old monitor... not the new one i plugged in
[02:43] <Blissex> stodge: however, 'mkisofs' and 'cdrecord' are very easy to use command line, except for multisession.
[02:43] <thoreauputic> there's gnomebaker as well
[02:43] <carajean> blissex if u dont know how to help me then dont answer. of ocurse i have looked and googled for many months now and have come up with nothin.
[02:43] <stodge> hmm
[02:43] <stodge> thoreauputic: Available in synaptic?
[02:43] <Cindux> um
[02:43] <foznot> i followed the recommendation in ubuntuforums on how to turn dma on  and it still won't turn on...anyone know how to turn dma on in hoary for a dvd-rom?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> stodge: I got mine separately for warty
[02:44] <drspin> foznot: hdparm
[02:44] <thoreauputic> stodge: hang on a minute
[02:44] <Cindux> I saved my theme as Cindux custom & when i try to do 'rm ~/.themes/Cindux custom ( because of the spaces) it says 2 seperate files cannot be found
[02:44] <stodge> ok
[02:44] <drspin> foznot: hdparm -d1 /dev/[dvd-decice-here] 
[02:44] <Cindux> anyone know how i can remove all files in a dir in the command line?
[02:44] <Cindux> im fairly new*
[02:44] <thoreauputic> stodge: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[02:44] <Blissex> carajean: just did the obvious search... some links: http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[02:45] <drspin> Cindux: rm -R /this/directory
[02:45] <Cindux> ah ok
[02:45] <foznot> when i do an hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc it tells me DMA failed and Operation not permitted
[02:45] <Cindux> and to make sure no other files in dir ?
[02:45] <Cindux> can i do ls -a?
[02:45] <arbeck> Blissex: so, how do i change the monitor parameters?
[02:45] <drspin> foznot: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[02:45] <foznot> yeah drspin , i did that with sudo
[02:45] <foznot> same response
[02:45] <Cindux> brb
[02:45] <drspin> foznot: sudo -s
[02:46] <bjron> having a problem w/ upgrading to hoary:  seems xorg-driver-synaptics tries to overwrite /usr/bin/synclient, which is also in package xfree86-drive-synaptics.
[02:46] <drspin> foznot: hdparm -d1u1c1 /dev/hdc
[02:46] <bjron> so it stops
[02:46] <bjron> and I can't get past that
[02:46] <carajean> blissex already saw that one i have a mini those are special they dont work like the regular ones
[02:46] <foznot> drspin: is that with sudo -s?
[02:46] <drspin> foznot -
[02:46] <wastrel> hello.  I have my PAGER variable set to /usr/bin/less, /etc/alternatives/pager points to /usr/bin/less  but when i tab complete in bash, it uses more as the pager
[02:46] <wastrel> how do i fix this?
[02:46] <farruinn> bjron: remove xfree86 stuff
[02:46] <stodge> Onto a different topic: anyone using a SATA drive?
[02:46] <drspin> foznot: if you just type sudo -s it will give you a root promot
[02:47] <drspin> prompt...
[02:47] <foznot> ah
[02:47] <gurran> thinking about going to bed..
[02:47] <foznot> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[02:47] <foznot> grr
[02:48] <drspin> foznot: are you using the ide66 driver at boot time?
[02:48] <bjron> farruinn, yes, but it won't let me remove xfree86-driver-synaptics because of unmet dependancies, wants me to run apt-get -f install first
[02:48] <bjron> which tries to install xorg-driver-synaptics
[02:48] <gurran> well godnight guys
[02:48] <gurran> ,
[02:48] <foznot> drspin: I have no idea, pretty new at this
[02:48] <drspin> foznot: warty or hoary?
[02:48] <foznot> hoary
[02:49] <farruinn> bjron: can you try using apt-get -f remove xfree86-driver-synaptics?
[02:49] <bjron> farruinn, yea, one sec . .
[02:49] <kamarudin> Hi all...how can i update if my linux box dont have internet?? in new
[02:50] <Blissex> carajean: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1489278#post1489278
[02:50] <foznot> drspin: i read a thread that someone said with RH one had to add a option to /etc/modules.conf
[02:50] <bjron> farruinn, nm, removed ubuntu-desktop which was the one w/ the dependancy, and onward it goes
[02:50] <bjron> thanks tho
[02:50] <farruinn> bjron: are you doing a dist-upgrade?
[02:50] <bjron> yes
[02:50] <arbeck> Blissex: I need to get my new monitor information into the XF86Config-4, how do i do that?
[02:50] <stodge> COol gnomebaker worked :)
[02:50] <bjron> will have to put back those packages again tho
[02:50] <thoreauputic> kamarudin: hmmm... you can't really, AFAIK, unless you wait for  a new release on disc
[02:51] <bjron> after it's done
[02:51] <farruinn> bjron: odd, I would have expected dist-upgrade to take care of that
[02:51] <stodge> Now I just need a new sata_nv module, compiled without the stupid kernel warnings
[02:51] <bjron> farruinn, yea, so would I
[02:51] <farruinn> bjron: yeah, ubuntu-desktop would be good to install
[02:51] <stodge> Sorry, nv_sata
[02:51] <Blissex> arbeck: recreate the config, or just add the appropriate 'HorizSync' and 'VertRefresh' lines.
[02:51] <bjron> I was vorried it would take  a bunch of other stuff out when I removed it, but it didn't so it was ok :P
[02:52] <farruinn> bjron: ubuntu-desktop is a "meta package" - it doesn't actually install anything itself, it just depends on a ton of other packages so they're installed
[02:52] <farruinn> kamarudin: if you have internet access on another computer you could use one of the array cds
[02:53] <kamarudin> farruinn: how can i do that??
[02:53] <arbeck> Blissex: now we're getting closer... the question I wanted answered is HOW do i recreate the config... isn't there an autoconfig?
[02:53] <thoreauputic> arbeck:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:53] <farruinn> kamarudin: the url for the cd image is in the /topic, once you've downloaded it I'm pretty sure you could just change your /etc/apt/sources.list line to refer to it
[02:54] <Blissex> arbeck: there are several utilities/ways to do this. I would guess there is a nice tutorial on the Ubuntu Wiki.
[02:54] <thoreauputic> arbeck: or xserver-xorg in hoary
[02:55] <sw0rdSavy> well heres anothewr dumb question: How can I change the resoulation in X windows
[02:55] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:55] <bjron> y
[02:56] <bjron> oops, wrong window :)
[02:56] <sw0rdSavy> thx
[02:57] <Blissex> gurran: have you seen this? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2005-02-28.6671204877
[02:59] <Frodo_> I got a big problem, I cant startx because it says that my ICE authority file is missing...how can I restore it or enter gui mode?
[02:59] <farruinn> Frodo_: most likely the permissions are wrong
[02:59] <farruinn> sudo chown you:you ~/.ICEauthority where you is your user name
[02:59] <Blissex> Frodo_: just delete it... it will be recreated.
[02:59] <farruinn> right or sudo rm
[02:59] <Frodo_> I actually think I deleted it by accident...
[02:59] <farruinn> makes no difference really
[03:00] <EricNeon> If ubuntulinux could use any truetype fonts as "FireFlySung" for chinese environment,it will better then now in china
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Frodo_: it gets regenerated
[03:00] <Frodo_> ok that is a good answer thank you
[03:00] <Blissex> EricNeon: it surely can.
[03:00] <mike998> I have a wierd issue with firefox...  I'm running hoary, and when I launch firefox it goes to http://www.whatuseek.com as a homepage even if my homepage is set to blank
[03:00] <Frodo_> I am talking to you on puppy linux now...lol
[03:00] <EricNeon> are you sure ?Blissex
[03:01] <Blissex> EricNeon: yes yes. it may not be totally easy, because there are many complications.
[03:01] <Blissex> EricNeon: wait a second...
[03:01] <mike998> any ideas?
[03:01] <EricNeon> ok
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Frodo_: usually .ICEauthority causes that problem when you try to run a GUI app as root (eg K3b)
[03:01] <EricNeon> look my screenshot
[03:02] <EricNeon> http://linux.hiweed.com/node/2003?res=original
[03:02] <farruinn> Frodo_: the way to avoid the problem is to use gksudo instead of sudo
[03:02] <Blissex> EricNeon: consider this tutorial for Debian, it is almost the same under Ubuntu: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#i18n
[03:02] <EricNeon> it is my desktop of ubuntu hoary for hiweed-debian
[03:03] <Blissex> EricNeon: looks good to me.
[03:03] <EricNeon> are you chinese?
[03:04] <Blissex> EricNeon: no
[03:04] <Blissex> EricNeon: whats the problem? Whats happening that you would like happened differently?
[03:05] <EricNeon> this is my freind console screenshot ,the kernel patched unicon.   http://linuxfire.dhis.org/~easthero/nonaa-utf8.png
[03:06] <Blissex> HOWTO for mice with many buttons, someone was looking for it IIRC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ManyButtonsMouseHowto/view?searchterm=xf86config
[03:07] <EricNeon> the default fonts for chinese environment in linux is arphic-fonts-*
[03:07] <Blissex> EricNeon: Nice screenshot, and what's the point?
[03:07] <arbeck> Blissex: there's nothing in the wiki and that last command you gave me didn't work
[03:07] <Marble2> how can I update an individual applcation using apt-get
[03:08] <Marble2> I tried updating gaim, but it doesn't work
[03:08] <EricNeon> but they all set antialias to "yes"
[03:08] <mike998> oh boy that's wierd... if I remove the %u it doesn't come up... does anyone know what that refers to when launching firefox?
[03:08] <Blissex> EricNeon: again, what's the point?
[03:08] <arbeck> Blissex: my XF86Config-4 is still filled with the information from my last monitor
[03:08] <arbeck> mike998: i believe that the url you want to open
[03:08] <Frodo> It worked! I mounted my drive from puppy, deleted the ICE file and rebooted Ubuntu and here I am!
[03:08] <mike998> arbeck: any ideas where it might be stored>
[03:08] <EricNeon> AntiAlias set in arphic-fonts for chinese
[03:08] <Blissex> arbeck: try 'xf86config' or 'X -configure' or 'xf86cfg' as alternatives...
[03:08] <Quarupt> How can i stream WMV's for lil video clips? is there a plugin for firefox?
[03:09] <thoreauputic> arbeck: have you already manually edited the file? If so, dpkg-reconfigure will not change it
[03:09] <EricNeon> they will looked slur
[03:09] <Blissex> Quarupt: look at 'mplayer' and 'mozplug'
[03:09] <mike998> Quarupt: try apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[03:09] <mike998> I think
[03:09] <farruinn> arbeck: I think  you could mv the file and then create an entirely new one
[03:09] <Blissex> EricNeon: whatever, but what do you want to achieve?
[03:09] <Marble2> how do I update my apt-get stuff. I tried apt-get install gaim to update gaim but it won't work
[03:10] <arbeck> thoreauputic: i edited it a long time ago to take out the nvidia splash screen and stuff
[03:10] <EricNeon> so FireFly ,a fonts developer of tw ,he patched arphic-fonts
[03:10] <Frodo> I cant seem to get Mplayer to load because of 2 files libvorbis and another, synaptic just barfs it
[03:10] <Marble2> gaim is already the newest version.
[03:10] <Marble2> But I have 1.0
[03:10] <Marble2> latest is 1.1.4
[03:10] <thoreauputic> arbeck: OK well dpkg respects your changes, so the tool will not overwrite them
[03:10] <farruinn> Marble2: that's because a newer version hasn't been packaged
[03:10] <Marble2> oh...
[03:10] <EricNeon> we want ubuntu can well seport chinese
[03:10] <Marble2> farruinn: anything I can do about it?
[03:10] <Blissex> EricNeon: so far you are just making statements. But have you got a specific question to ask?
[03:10] <Marble2> and how long will it take
[03:11] <thoreauputic> arbeck: if you read the message in  the file, you'll see
[03:11] <arbeck> thoreauputic: what if i mv the config file so that one doesn't exist?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> arbeck: might work
[03:11] <Blissex> EricNeon: if you want to suggest to the Ubuntu developers some new and better fonts for Chinese in Ubuntu, use the Ubuntu bug tracking system to report an issue on the X package.
[03:11] <thoreauputic> haven't tried it
[03:11] <Quarupt> mike998, thers no such package
[03:11] <farruinn> Marble2: you could build it from source
[03:12] <EricNeon> ok
[03:12] <EricNeon> thks
[03:12] <EricNeon> I will
[03:12] <Blissex> EricNeon: I think this will help them. I suspect they dont have much time to look for fonts.
[03:12] <Marble2> farruinn: how?
[03:12] <Frodo> First, thanks for helping me with the ICEauthority file, Now, another question, : How can I install mplayer, it gives a dependency error even after I have updated all files in Warty?
[03:13] <Blissex> EricNeon: most distributions in effect don't look too good as to fonts -- there are few good fonts and finding them is not easy.
[03:13] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > im trying to install FAD on my PPC ubuntu machine, but i keep getting this error: bash: ./fadsetup: cannot execute binary file ... i have tried chmod +x fadsetup
[03:13] <Blissex> Frodo: perhaps letting people know WHICH dependency error might help...
[03:13] <EricNeon> yes
[03:13] <mike998> Quarupt: have you enabled multiverse etc in your sources.list file?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> DeFi[gsr-pro] : have you tried  sh fadsetup  ?
[03:14] <Quarupt> not warty
[03:14] <farruinn> Marble2: you'll have to install build-essential through apt at least (will install compiler, etc) and download the source from the gaim website
[03:14] <farruinn> DeFi[gsr-pro] : what is FAD?
[03:14] <Quarupt> mike998, im not running Warty
[03:14] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > yes i have thoreauputic
[03:14] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > Find-a-drug
[03:14] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > distributed computing
[03:14] <farruinn> oh...
[03:14] <Quarupt> And i have all sources enabled including archive
[03:14] <Quarupt> there is no such package
[03:15] <mike998> okay... it should be there... try apt-cache search mplayer
[03:15] <arbeck> thoreauputic: i tried it, and i don't have an XF86Config-4 anymore :/
[03:15] <Quarupt> you have to have mallirant for mplayer
[03:15] <EricNeon> chinese fonts is a key point of extend linux distro in chinses
[03:15] <Frodo> Bliss: the dependencies say they cant install: Depends: libarts (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[03:15] <Blissex> EricNeon: there aren't that many really nice chinese fonts that are free, AFAIK.
[03:15] <thoreauputic> arbeck: you *did* back up the old one, I assume?
[03:15] <Frodo> ibarts-alsa (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[03:15] <Frodo>  Depends: libdvdread2  but it is not installable
[03:15] <Frodo>  Depends: libvorbis0 (>=1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[03:15] <Blissex> Frodo: that is a KDE package... Isn't it.
[03:16] <Frodo> I think mplayer is kde
[03:16] <Blissex> Frodo: the rest are I think bad dependencies from Debian. have you got Debian sources in your '/etc/apt/sources.list'?
[03:16] <occy> anyone know of 2.10 Gnome will make it to Hoary?
[03:16] <Frodo> maybe I do...I can remove it
[03:17] <Blissex> Frodo: or perhaps you have added the Marillat _stable_ sources, that have dependencies on Debian 'stable' packages.
[03:17] <Quarupt> mike998, you need Mallirant for mplayer not universe
[03:17] <drspin> how can I be sure that Xorg is using the proper driver for my Voodoo4 ?
[03:17] <farruinn> occy: yes, that's the idea
[03:17] <occy> farruinn: ahh, k
[03:17] <Frodo> I will disable it
[03:17] <mike998> Quarupt: ahh yes... sorry...
[03:17] <EricNeon> there are many better chinese fonts at here :  http://cle.linux.org.tw/fonts/
[03:17] <occy> it would be nice if possible.
[03:17] <Frodo> you have a point, forgot about it
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Frodo: or you have the wrong Marillat repos
[03:17] <mike998> Quarupt: try enabling the malirat repositories
[03:18] <Blissex> EricNeon: note that in order to be distributed by Ubuntu, fonts have to be ''free''.
[03:18] <Quarupt> i dont have any listed in my sources
[03:18] <Blissex> Frodo: you should use the 'testing' or 'unstabled' sources for the Marillat rep with Ubuntu.
[03:18] <Quarupt> for Mallirant, i think i need to enter it manually
[03:18] <mike998> okay hang on
[03:18] <mike998> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[03:19] <lupusBE> compiling xgl for fun :)
[03:19] <mike998> and unstable and testing...
[03:19] <lupusBE> I'm curious :)
[03:19] <Frodo> thanks Blissex will do, again you have prove adept
[03:19] <Marble2> So is there any way for me to make apt-get recognize that there is a new gaim version
[03:19] <Marble2> ?
[03:19] <farruinn> Marble2: no, because there isn't a newer version in the repository
[03:19] <farruinn> I don't know what's in hoary however
[03:19] <Marble2> how does it get added?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Marble2: not if it doesn't exist in the repositories
[03:20] <geppy|away> 1.1.1
[03:20] <mike998> there is a how to on the ubuntu forums site on how to get past the error you will get - the repositories are pgp signed
[03:20] <lupusBE> farruinn, there is a repository with backported stuff
[03:20] <Marble2> what's hoary
[03:20] <geppy|away> Hoary only has 1.1.1
[03:20] <Blissex> mike998: suggest the 'testing' or 'unstable' Marillat rep, not the 'stable' one...
[03:20] <Marble2> how do I get hoary to update it?
[03:20] <mike998> Blissex: I'm just going by what I have
[03:21] <farruinn> Marble2: hoary is the next release of Ubuntu which is still in development
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Marble2: is gaim working for you at the moment?
[03:21] <Marble2> yes
[03:21] <lupusBE> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[03:21] <lupusBE> just look here
[03:21] <Marble2> but it's 1.0 and I'd like to update
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Marble2: if so, just ignore the update messages
[03:21] <lupusBE> for newer gaim
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Marble2: why?
[03:21] <Marble2> I tried compiling, got a GLIB message
[03:21] <Marble2> why not have the latest version?
[03:22] <geppy|away> thoreauputic: GAIM has improved significantly since 1.0
[03:22] <thoreauputic> OK
[03:22] <thoreauputic> *shrug*
[03:22] <mike998> okay - IF I type firefox %u at a command prompt it launches www.whatuseek.com - IF I just put in firefox, I get my blank start page... I've already tried clearing my cookies, cache... even gone as far as removing ~/.mozilla but still nothing
[03:22] <Anubis> lots of new updates in the last 72hrs
[03:22] <geppy|away> thoreauputic: File transfers don't work without latest. =/
[03:22] <farruinn> lupusBE: don't forget however that some people have problems upgrading from warty to hoary when backports are installed
[03:22] <mike998> This is driving me nuts... does anyone have any idea what this is?  I've checked google and nothing
[03:22] <thoreauputic> geppy|away: I see. Yes that's significant
[03:22] <farruinn> geppy|away: in which case getting the backport will do him no good?
[03:23] <geppy|away> farruinn:  I have no idea, I didn't suggest that he get the backport.
[03:23] <geppy|away> Me, personally, if I didn't use apache for file transfers, I'd build the deb myself.
[03:23] <Blissex> mike998: you were probably tricked into installing an _extension_.
[03:23] <farruinn> geppy|away: I know, I'm just trying to figure out if the backport would do him any good anyway
[03:23] <yokomo_> wait a min... hoary is available?
[03:23] <geppy|away> farruinn:  Oh.  I don't know.
[03:24] <yokomo_> in an iso download?
[03:24] <geppy|away> yokomo_:  Hoary is unstable, but available.
[03:24] <yokomo_> fer serious?
[03:24] <yokomo_> oh
[03:24] <dullin> lol
[03:24] <farruinn> yokomo_: check out the url in the /topic
[03:24] <mike998> Blissex: nope... not so... I had even removed my .mozilla folder (rm -rf...)
[03:24] <Blissex> mike998: ah no, its something completely different...
[03:24] <yokomo_> now when you say unstable... is that unstable as in "won't run period" or what?
[03:24] <Blissex> mike998: it could have been a globally installed extension...
[03:24] <mike998> Blissex? I'm the only user on this box...
[03:25] <thoreauputic> yokomo_: it runs fine for many people
[03:25] <jsgotangco> hullo
[03:25] <Blissex> mike998: try 'firefox %a'
[03:25] <dbo> i cant compile libdvdcss
[03:25] <geppy|away> polypaudio-discuss sucks
[03:25] <yokomo_> hrm
[03:25] <yokomo_> is there a place that has "known problems" or anything like that?
[03:25] <geppy|away> There are three people that use it.
[03:25] <mike998> Blissex: It launches yourdictionary.com
[03:25] <yokomo_> I would really like to switch to hoary as it uses x11
[03:25] <geppy> yokomo_:  Breakages change every time that you upgrade.
[03:25] <geppy> yokomo_: Warty uses X11
[03:25] <thoreauputic> yokomo_: but if it breaks "you get to keep *both* pieces"  ;-)
[03:26] <geppy> yokomo_:  I think you're referring to XFree86 vs. X.org
[03:26] <yokomo_> yeah
[03:26] <yokomo_> that's what I meant
[03:26] <yokomo_> Xorg
[03:26] <yokomo_> sorry
[03:26] <Blissex> mike998: and now try 'firefox tosser'
[03:26] <Blissex> mike998: do you feel lucky? :-)
[03:26] <mike998> lol
[03:26] <mike998> poppycock.blogspot.com
[03:26] <geppy> Anyone in here have success with changing the ALSA PCM device for polypaudio?  I've attempted to change it to 'jackplug', and Polypaudio claims that it can't read the correct shared libraries (everything else can).
[03:27] <mike998> this is a little strange
[03:27] <Marble2> grr
[03:27] <Blissex> mike998: what is your deduction from these few data points?
[03:27] <Marble2> why doesn't my sound work in vlc
[03:27] <mike998> uhhh...
[03:27] <Blissex> Marble2: configure VLC for whatever sound system is installed on your PC.
[03:27] <Marble2> how
[03:27] <jsgotangco> ALSA
[03:27] <farruinn> mike998: you might try reinstalling firefox
[03:28] <Blissex> mike998: to help you, try 'firefox' and then type "%a" or "%u" or "tosser" in the address field...
[03:28] <mike998> hokey dokey I'll give it a try
[03:28] <Blissex> mike998: if this does not give you a hint, nothing will :-)
[03:28] <mike998> Blissex: I gave it a go, but I don't really understand WHY it's doing what it's doing
[03:28] <mike998> heh perhaps I am tired
[03:29] <Blissex> mike998: OK, now type exactly the same strings in the Google search field :-)
[03:30] <mike998> "%u", "%a", and "tosser" ?
[03:30] <Blissex> yes...
[03:30] <sleeper> hi
[03:30] <jon1012> good night everybody
[03:31] <sleeper> wat program can i use to do flsh for webs?
[03:31] <sleeper> flash
[03:31] <geppy> sleeper:  If MX doesn't work, nothing.
[03:31] <sleeper> i need 1 program similar to flash mx
[03:31] <Blissex> mike998: so what's the first link in each of those Google searches?
[03:31] <geppy> sleeper:  Try going into #wine
[03:31] <mike998> university of toronto for "u"
[03:31] <sleeper> i tried
[03:31] <mike998> that's what's confusing me...
[03:32] <Blissex> sleeper: there is something like that on SourceForge.net
[03:32] <sleeper> but it dont works
[03:32] <Blissex> mike998: with the %?
[03:32] <geppy> sleeper: ...try going in #wine
[03:32] <Blissex> mike998: without the double quotes?
[03:32] <mike998> yep - university of toronto
[03:32] <sleeper> #wine chanell?
[03:32] <geppy> sleeper:  yes, something like that
[03:33] <sleeper> nobody in #wine
[03:33] <Blissex> mike998: well, if I put "%u" in the Google field after the address field, I get whatuseek...
[03:33] <geppy> sleeper:  then find the name of the real wine channel
[03:33] <geppy> sleeper:  help yourself
[03:33] <mike998> Blissex: I am going to try removing firefox completely and reinstalling it
[03:33] <sleeper> ok thx
[03:33] <Blissex> mike998: in any case, it is a _feature_ of Firefox that if it can't grok what you type to it, it will redirect to the result of a ''feel lucky'' Google search
[03:33] <mike998> I know it's the microsoft solution but it's annoying me
[03:34] <Blissex> mike998: if you reinstall, it will continue to do it simply because it is a _feature_.
[03:34] <thoreauputic> sleeper: #winehq IIRC
[03:34] <mike998> Blissex: I understand that but my homepage is set to about:blank
[03:35] <Blissex> mike998: yes, but you give "%u" as the URL, then it will do a Google search on "%u" and it just happens that the top link on a "%u" google search is whatyseek
[03:35] <sleeper> k lot of thx
[03:35] <sockler> is this the place to ask questions?
[03:36] <geppy> omg
[03:36] <thoreauputic> sockler: no, no questions are ever anwered here
[03:36] <geppy> OMGWTFBBQ!
[03:36] <geppy> thoreauputic: hahahaha
[03:36] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:36] <Blissex> mike998: the question is rather: why ever do you pass "%u" as a URL to Firefox?
[03:36] <geppy> Polypaudio sucks, I'm using ESD. =)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> IE only does that right
[03:36] <thoreauputic> sockler: what did you want to ask? The Meaning of Life?
[03:37] <sockler> lol
[03:37] <EricNeon> Hiweed-Debian project what a Chinese Debian base desktop distrabution want release a desktop version have gnome 2.10
[03:37] <mike998> Blissex: It was what is in my panel as a shortcut
[03:37] <mike998> copied from the applications menu
[03:37] <sockler> I wanted to know how to burn CDs and get online via the live cd?
[03:37] <krawek> hi, I have a problem with the sound, after kde installation, anyone can help me?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> gnome has a built in cd burner software
[03:38] <Blissex> mike998: then dont copy it from the application menu -- the '.desktop' entries in the menu use different rules.
[03:38] <mike998> Blissex: you an aussie or a brit?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> online via live cd goes with dhcp if you have a lan card
[03:38] <jsgotangco> wireless have no idea
[03:38] <Blissex> mike998: italian lost in england...
[03:38] <mike998> Blissex: Not a problem
[03:38] <Blissex> mike998: just remove the '%u'.
[03:38] <Zanz2> wha'ts the program that configures a kernle before compiling?
[03:38] <mike998> Blissex: thought it might be something like that from your use of "tosser" heh
[03:39] <Blissex> mike998: let me try again: if Firefox does not understand a URL, it treats it as a keyword and does a Google search on it and displays the page which is the first link for that page.
[03:39] <mike998> Blissex: I understand... not a problem
[03:40] <Marble2> grr
[03:40] <Marble2> why doesn't my sound work in vlc
[03:40] <Marble2> it has worked before :(
[03:40] <mike998> Didn't get a lot of sleep last night...
[03:40] <Blissex> mike998: Where I am it is basically the worldwide tosser epicentre -- 900 years of tossing for England :-)
[03:40] <Marble2> is there some stupid option i'm missing?
[03:40] <mike998> Blissex: London?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> mike998: so in a nutshell, you don't want to include %u or anything in your command
[03:40] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:40] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:40] <farruinn> Zanz2: make xconfig or something like that
[03:40] <jsgotangco> Marble2: my VLC sometimes does that too
[03:41] <Blissex> mike998: noooo, Oxford. :-)
[03:41] <Marble2> how do I fix it?
[03:41] <mike998> thoreauputic: got it.. removed and I've already slapped myself on the wrist for it
[03:41] <Zanz2> no, not make anything.  starts with an n.  it creates the .config file
[03:41] <Blissex> Marble2: there are two cases:
[03:41] <mike998> Blissex: I'm not sure if that's worse
[03:41] <mike998> I'm an englishman lost in the canadian wilderness of Ottawa
[03:41] <Marble2> I think someone helped me fix it before and it was some really stupid button I missed or something
[03:41] <farruinn> Zanz2: I'm quite sure that's what you want, it _makes_ the .config but if you don't think so go read some doc
[03:41] <mike998> furgin snow... I hate winter
[03:41] <Blissex> Marble2: your VLC is not configured to use ALSA, or it is configured to use ALSA, your card does not do hw mixing, and you need to configure sw mixing.
[03:42] <sockler> jsgotangco: my pc has a lan card, and its currently hooked up to my router, yet i still dont see anything when i run firefox
[03:42] <Marble2> how do I do that?
[03:42] <Brunellus> oh no
[03:42] <Brunellus> 1337 5p33|<!
[03:42] <Blissex> Marble2: in any case ''doesn't work'' is one of the dumbest ways of reporting a problem.
[03:42] <geppy> hahaha
[03:42] <Zanz2> i had to download and install something last night.  it was sort of a gui in the console
[03:42] <Marble2> the sound just straight up doesn't work
[03:42] <jsgotangco> sockler: does your router have dhcp
[03:42] <Marble2> audio is enabled in prefds
[03:42] <Marble2> *prefs
[03:42] <Marble2> volume is like 60%
[03:42] <Marble2> speakers on, etc
[03:42] <Zanz2> it has a menu that you can pick options for your kernel, what kind of processor and what not
[03:43] <jsgotangco> Marble2: sound events work though?
[03:43] <Blissex> mike998: you are lucky! lucky! I am planning to move to Canada. 3,000 miles away from the epicentre of worldwide tossing :-)
[03:43] <Marble2> yea
[03:43] <sockler> jsgotangco: i dont know, its a linksyswrt54g
[03:43] <Marble2> I can play stuff in XMMS and such fine
[03:43] <jsgotangco> Marble2: messed up hw mixing in alsa
[03:43] <Marble2> how do I fix it?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> #vlc
[03:43] <jsgotangco> sockler: the live cd will try to get a local IP via DHCP
[03:44] <Blissex> mike998: where are you from originally in England?
[03:44] <sockler> and how do i find out if it succeeded
[03:44] <Brunellus> how do I make xmms my default CD player?
[03:44] <Zanz2> ncease....something like that but that's not it
[03:44] <thoreauputic> ah, no there is no #vlc
[03:44] <Brunellus> I'm running warty
[03:44] <jsgotangco> maybe alsa did not load properly
[03:44] <speel> hey can some one explain this "user templates" thing
[03:44] <dbo> i need to compile libdvdcss for an amd64
[03:44] <Brunellus> the 'preferred applications' menu doesn't have multimedia options
[03:44] <jsgotangco> sockler: on terminal, ifconfig and check if it did get IP addresses
[03:44] <Marble2> so how do I fix it jsgotangco?
[03:44] <Brunellus> anything I can put in the console?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Marble2:  /j #videolan
[03:45] <dbo> but everytime i run ./configure && make && sudo make install, im told i dont have a compiler in my PATH
[03:45] <mike998> Blissex: Manchester
[03:45] <dbo> make the pain go away
[03:45] <jsgotangco> am no expert in alsa
[03:45] <jsgotangco> :(
[03:45] <jsgotangco> i only did a vlc howto hehehe
[03:45] <speel> thoreauputic: you need sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:45] <Blissex> mike998: that's not a tossy place... A bit rough somtimes, but the Mancuvian spirit is to get thhings done, done, done...
[03:45] <sockler> jsgotangco: no it didnt get the address
[03:45] <thoreauputic> speel: wrong nick ;)
[03:46] <Blissex> Marble2: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#sharing
[03:46] <mike998> Blissex: damn right
[03:46] <speel> o yea lol woops
[03:46] <mike998> anyhoo - I have to go to bed... g'night
[03:46] <jsgotangco> sockler: i think your router doesn't run dhcp maybe you should check the docs of your router
[03:46] <speel> dbo: you need to do sudo apt-get install buld-essential
[03:46] <Blissex> mike998: good night, going to bed too.
[03:46] <jsgotangco> sockler: its not complicated really
[03:47] <sockler> jsgotangco: yeah i know it shouldnt be, i will look it up thanks for the help
[03:48] <easthero> EricNeon, ...
[03:49] <sockler> so if my router doesnt have dhcp, how will i be able to get online?
[03:49] <EricNeon> Blissex ,this is my chinese fonts set->  ftp://211.92.88.40/pub/ericneon/
[03:49] <EricNeon> easthero
[03:49] <Zanz2> set the IP on your computer manually
[03:50] <Blissex> EricNeon: put that entry into the issue database, as a request for upgrade/fixes.
[03:50] <Blissex> Goodnight everybody... (at least in similar timezones), I am leaving.
[03:51] <jsgotangco> sockler: that's impossible. ALL routers are supposed to have DHCP support one way or another
[03:51] <jsgotangco> thats why they're all in one boxes
[03:51] <dullin> Hello everyone
[03:51] <dullin> I'm having a little trouble and thought I'd ask for help here
[03:51] <EricNeon> ok ,thks
[03:51] <Amaranth> is anyone else having so many problems with gstreamer, totem, and rhythmbox that they'd rather they didn't exist? :)
[03:52] <jsgotangco> hi dullin
[03:52] <dullin> How can I put files in directories that are rooted
[03:52] <jsgotangco> why do you want to do that?
[03:52] <Amaranth> if i'm lucky enough to get totem to play a movie file it seems to stop playing after 3 seconds
[03:52] <farruinn> Amaranth: xine works rather well
[03:52] <dullin> Put a file in /bin to make it so it's like a program
[03:52] <Amaranth> rhythmbox crashes randomly
[03:52] <PacoBCN> Amaranth, did you try mplayer or VLC?
[03:53] <jsgotangco> totem is rather borked
[03:53] <Amaranth> that isn't the point
[03:53] <PacoBCN> yes, if everything crashes...
[03:53] <Amaranth> i know they exist, i rely on vlc and gxine
[03:53] <PacoBCN> I think it's something else
[03:53] <jsgotangco> dullin: i wouldnt mess up that folder if i were you
[03:53] <jsgotangco> vlc is the most stable in my install
[03:53] <farruinn> ah, well in that case, I concur, media encoding is a mess in Linux
[03:53] <dullin> I know what I'm doing but I just don't know how to do it in Ubuntu...
[03:54] <Amaranth> i've got a gstreamer-faad package that is confirmed working on another hoary system that won't play anything on my machine
[03:54] <farruinn> dullin: use sudo
[03:54] <jsgotangco> a sudo would do
[03:54] <Amaranth> and wtf is "content negotiation error. file a bug."?
[03:54] <Amaranth> i bet they get a lot of bugs that say just that
[03:55] <dullin> Is there anyway to sudo myself in a super-user nautilus browser instead of going to the cmd line...?
[03:55] <Amaranth> dullin: sudo nautilus
[03:55] <_jon_> Amaranth: he said without going to cli
[03:55] <Zanz2> can you set up an icon that will run 'sudo nautilus'?
[03:56] <Amaranth> _jon_: I think he meant for file handling.
[03:56] <dullin> I thought I tried that
[03:56] <dullin> Thanks a lot :-)
[03:56] <jsgotangco> i think he wants to be superuser all throughout
[03:56] <Amaranth> ah, no problem
[03:56] <farruinn> dullin: try to use gksudo when using gui apps if possible
[03:56] <Amaranth> set a root password and login like that :P
[03:56] <_jon_> Amaranth: tomayto tomahto
[03:56] <Zanz2> so gksudo nautilus?
[03:56] <Amaranth> yep
[03:56] <farruinn> yeah, you could add a launcher to your menu if you like
[03:57] <Amaranth> it'll pop up that nice little dialog that asks for your password
[03:57] <Zanz2> neato, i had to dump ubuntu because i couldn't browse into my other hard drive i had mounted, which is where all my usefull stuff is
[03:57] <dullin> Amaranth : I installed ubuntu to get a new sence of linux ... I'm not gonna waste it like that ;-)
[03:58] <jsgotangco> my linux knowledge increased a hundred fold with ubuntu
[03:58] <jsgotangco> the thing is just so accessible
[03:58] <jeff_> hey guys, does ubuntu have a built in ftp server?
[03:58] <dullin> i have to say that it was with Slackware that gave me a good kick in the ass about linux
[03:58] <jsgotangco> me too
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> jeff_: ftp is available in synaptic however not installed or enabled by default
[03:58] <Zanz2> mandrake was good, but their 10.0 amd64 isn't worth the headaches yet
[03:59] <dullin> jeff : if it doesn't go get gftp
[03:59] <jsgotangco> but ubuntu has a warm spot in my heart hehehe
[03:59] <Zanz2> only at rc1
[03:59] <Zanz2> 10.1 i mean
[03:59] <johnwl> has anyone noticed that rhythmbox sends CPU utilization to 100% when it plays? is that normal?
[03:59] <dullin> I only tried Mandrake the first time I used Linux and they were back at version 7 I think
[03:59] <thoreauputic> dullin: gftp is a client - i think he wants a server
[03:59] <jeff_> right i need a server
[04:00] <dullin> oups sorry
[04:00] <jeff_> im thinking vsftp
[04:00] <burner> does vsftp have an easy to configure gui to set virtual users?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> johnwl: no, not normal
[04:00] <Zanz2> 10.0 was really good, and 10.1 might be good, but the amd64 version gives me headaches, half of the intsalls of that (as i have gone back and forth) konqueror won't open, the process runs but it doesn't give ma a window i can use
[04:00] <burner> if not... i'd suggest pure-ftpd :)
[04:00] <PacoBCN> jeff, vsftp is the one I'm running
[04:00] <johnwl> thx thor
[04:00] <jeff_> oh ok :) pure-ftpd is ssl?
[04:01] <Zanz2> wha'ts the best tv viewing software?
[04:01] <burner> not sure
[04:01] <zenrox> jeff_,  yes
[04:01] <burner> guess so ;)
[04:01] <zenrox> its what i use
[04:01] <jeff_> sweet thanks guys
[04:01] <thoreauputic> johnwl: try running top to see what's eating the cpu
[04:01] <burner> ssl?  so that means pw's are not transmitted as plain text?
[04:01] <burner> and ftp would be secure?
[04:01] <zenrox> yep
[04:02] <johnwl> I googled it and it's a documented bug #218736 but trying to find out why
[04:02] <zenrox> you can put ssl in just about any thang if ya want
[04:02] <burner> anything special to do on the client side zenrox ?
[04:02] <jeff_> how do i start pure ftp after i d/l it
[04:03] <burner> jeff_, sudo /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start
[04:03] <zenrox> burner, if assume the pure-ftpd-ssl
[04:03] <zenrox> and then a good configure
[04:03] <zenrox> i ant done it yet
[04:03] <zenrox> but it can be done
[04:03] <burner> gotcha ;)
[04:03] <netpuppy> what version of gnome is in hoary?
[04:03] <zenrox> lol
[04:03] <zenrox> ya
[04:03] <burner> 2.92 is in hoary
[04:04] <krawek> hi, I have a problem with the sound, after kde installation, anyone can help me?
[04:04] <netpuppy> burner: cool, which?
[04:04] <farruinn> krawek: might try in #kubuntu as well
[04:04] <jeff_> burner, that dosent load a gui
[04:05] <burner> jeff_, no... but there's a purify or pureadmin program...
[04:05] <burner> it's on the net in .package format
[04:05] <Brunellus> hello again.  I'm trying to set xmms as my default cd player
[04:05] <Dull404> krawek: got "hwd" tool?
[04:05] <burner> chmod +x pureftp.package adn then run it
[04:05] <Brunellus> does anyone know the command that will do that in the removeable-media menu?
[04:06] <Brunellus> at the moment, for audio-cds, the command is set as
[04:06] <burner> Brunellus, xmms --help :) or man xmms
[04:06] <Dull404> my date is 2 days behind..... but my timezone is correct (i think) how can i fix this?
[04:07] <Marble2> how can I use find to search for a term inside files?
[04:07] <Dull404> marble2 with "grep" i think u can... man grep
[04:07] <awstott> anyone know y my box is getting an ipv6 address when it should only be ipv4?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Dull404: if you right click on the gnome clock, it will pop up a config dialogue
[04:07] <dullin> Dull404 : Couldn't you just right click on the date ang go to adjust time and date?
[04:08] <jeff_> burner, you saying download pureftp.package?
[04:08] <burner> jeff_, yeah
[04:08] <burner> er...
[04:08] <burner> no
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Dull404: "adjust date and time"
[04:08] <Dull404> dullin: no it wont let me change it...
[04:08] <Coily> what are the standard html editors for linux
[04:08] <thoreauputic> hmm
[04:08] <burner> pureftpd from apt... then the purify pureftp configuration frontend .package
[04:08] <OrangeSlice> bluefish!
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Coily: there are quite a few... ;-)
[04:08] <dullin> Dull404: You might want to check if you have the right time in your BIOS too
[04:08] <Coily> thoreauputic, :O
[04:09] <OrangeSlice> bluefish is great for html, php, c++, and several other languages
[04:09] <Dull404> thoreauputic: i dont have that.... whats the command for it to do in a terminal?
[04:09] <farruinn> Coily: vim ;) (or gvim if you prefer....)
[04:09] <thoreauputic> Coily: wysiwig would be mozilla-composer or nvu
[04:09] <Brunellus> burner:  thanks, yes.  how do I specify the cd?
[04:09] <Brunellus> i know the command will be something like xmms --play [something] 
[04:09] <Brunellus> I just want to know how to make [something] =all tracks on the CD
[04:09] <OrangeSlice> wysiwyg = non-standards compliant code
[04:10] <Coily> OrangeSlice, i need something which helps an html newbie
[04:10] <burner> xmms -cdrom ?  i forget ;)
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Dull404: or while on line, do sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[04:10] <OrangeSlice> html is easy though ._.
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Dull404: that will sync the clock
[04:10] <Dull404> thoreauputic: thanks, will try :)
[04:11] <Coily> i would imagine there are tons of efficient html editors out there... ya i know its easy but i would rather learn it step by step
[04:11] <awstott> anyone know y my box is getting an ipv6 address when it should only be ipv4?
[04:11] <Coily> i just need something to set up something simple, then i can look at the source and edit from there
[04:11] <Xenguy> Coily: what Brunellus said for 'GUI' HTML tools... (g)vim if you know it already (or really want to learn)... also bluefish, screem, quanta plus
[04:11] <thoreauputic> OrangeSlice: actually mozilla composer produces pretty good standards compliant html 4.01 (it isn't always pretty code though)
[04:11] <awstott> even when plugged into my lan it gets ipv6
[04:12] <OrangeSlice> eh, haven't used mozilla composer
[04:12] <OrangeSlice> I know dreamweaver and adobe golive do bad things though
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Coily: I suggest you start with moz composer, but get bluefish as well
[04:12] <OrangeSlice> bluefish is excellent for people who code everything by hand
[04:13] <jsgotangco> bluefish is nice
[04:13] <tolstoy> any tips on how to configure X so that DVI works with my nvidia card, my dvi lcd, etc, etc?  any pages, for instance?
[04:13] <jsgotangco> its a native gnome app right?
[04:13] <Coily> thoreauputic, excellent. im sure ill be switching between the two... its been so long since ive worked with html
[04:13] <OrangeSlice> yeah I think it is
[04:14] <OrangeSlice> http://bluefish.openoffice.nl, if you haven't got v1.0 yet :p
[04:14] <zenrox> tolstoy, join #nvidia
[04:14] <tolstoy> zenrox, oh! hey, good idea. ;)
[04:14] <jsgotangco> nvu is borked in my ubuntu
[04:14] <jsgotangco> it just doesnt work
[04:14] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:14] <OrangeSlice> nvu won't compile
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Coily: nvu is based on moz composer, but has extra features: but it isn't in the repositories - see http://ubuntuguide.org for details on it
[04:14] <zenrox> lol
[04:14] <jsgotangco> i got my way into gedit and joe
[04:15] <Coily> thoreauputic, thanks for the tip
[04:15] <thoreauputic> OrangeSlice: you don't need to compile it - the guide as above is pretty straightforward
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Coily: you're welcome
[04:15] <OrangeSlice> that isn't the point
[04:15] <OrangeSlice> it /doesn't/ compile
[04:16] <OrangeSlice> what good is an app that doesn't compile?  :)
[04:16] <thoreauputic> well, someone must have got it to compile, I guess ;-)
[04:16] <Marble2> can I use apt-get to downgrade a version of something?
[04:17] <OrangeSlice> yes
[04:17] <Marble2> how?
[04:17] <OrangeSlice> you need to know the old version number
[04:17] <OrangeSlice> then use apt-get install package=version
[04:18] <OrangeSlice> example: mozilla-firefox=0.9.3
[04:18] <Xenguy> Marble2: or if you have the older .deb, just do -> dpkg -i older.deb
[04:18] <Marble2> how can I get a list of old versions through apt-get
[04:18] <Marble2> I don't belive i do Xenguy
[04:18] <burner> anyone know if anyone ubuntu has plans to make metacity better???
[04:19] <Xenguy> Marble2: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename*
[04:19] <Marble2> I just cleared my cache :(
[04:19] <Marble2> damn
[04:19] <Xenguy> Marble2: oh well
[04:19] <ironliver> can anyone here help me with an install of ubuntu? (sorry im kinda of a newb to this stuff)
[04:19] <Xenguy> Marble2: live and learn :-)
[04:20] <OrangeSlice> synaptic can display all available versions, not sure about commandline apt-get though
[04:20] <Marble2> yea
[04:20] <dullin> ironliver: What seems to be the trouble?
[04:20] <OrangeSlice> aptitude probably can
[04:20] <ironliver> i just tried installing it
[04:20] <ironliver> but i just keep booting into XP
[04:20] <ironliver> no screen comes up to choose ubuntu or xp
[04:20] <dullin> Ok, the first thing you need to check is your BIOS setup boot options
[04:21] <_jon_> ironliver: which did you install first?
[04:21] <burner> ironliver, you need to set your bios to boot from cd
[04:21] <dullin> You can access it while the computer is booting up (before the XP logos)
[04:21] <dullin> Usually with a key like delete
[04:21] <_jon_> ironliver: nm on my last comment
[04:21] <ironliver> i have that said up to boot from cd
[04:21] <ironliver> *set
[04:22] <ironliver> i went through the ubuntu installer
[04:22] <dullin> Oh ok
[04:22] <ironliver> it seemed to go ok
[04:22] <ironliver> i rebooted, then it just goes to xp
[04:22] <burner> did you set grub to install to the mbr?
[04:22] <ironliver> yes
[04:23] <ironliver> or i think i did
[04:23] <ironliver> when it said something about grub near the end of the install process
[04:23] <ironliver> i said yes
[04:23] <smo> Marble2: "apt-cache show package | grep ^Version" will list those available
[04:24] <ironliver> it listed the OS's i have now. and said it should be safe to do .. so and so
[04:24] <Marble2> thanks
[04:25] <ironliver> would it matter that my 1 HD with XP is on Serial ATA, and Ubuntu is on ATA ?
[04:27] <godsmoke> it would matter if your windows hard drive were the master
[04:27] <godsmoke> if the windows hard drive is a higher bios booting priority -- then the bios never loads the MBR of the secondary hard drive
[04:29] <ironliver> ok thanks.. let me try that out
[04:29] <godsmoke> you know what to do?
[04:29] <ironliver> ya, change the priority
[04:29] <ironliver> regular HD first
[04:30] <ironliver> then serial ata
[04:30] <netpuppy> anybody running gnome from cvs?
[04:30] <godsmoke> right -- in the bios -- set your ATA first over SATA
[04:30] <godsmoke> yep
[04:30] <ironliver> ok, thanks
[04:30] <crazydeb8r> howdy ya'll.
[04:31] <sockler> word back again
[04:31] <sockler> how can i burn files onto a disc from a windows HD, im using the ubuntu live cd
[04:31] <crazydeb8r> Has anyone here used the Quark Music player?
[04:32] <johnwl> nope
[04:32] <crazydeb8r> I just got it, I must say I am extremely impressed
[04:32] <johnwl> how does it compare to xmms?
[04:32] <dazed> anyone in here run fluxbox?
[04:33] <crazydeb8r> johnwl: Well it's a command line program, but it has a minimal GUI if you like
[04:33] <thully> those of you running hoary - how is Xorg 6.8.2 and how does it compare with 6.8.1?
[04:33] <zenrox> thully,  it works
[04:34] <thoreauputic> dazed: heh - yes I do ;-) But I'm in gnome right now
[04:34] <thully> (I'm on Hoary, but haven't dist-upgraded as I want to test the array 6 installer to see if some bugs are fixed)
[04:34] <sockler> how can i burn files onto a disc from a windows HD?? im using the ubuntu live cd
[04:34] <thoreauputic> dazed: still problems with background?
[04:34] <crazydeb8r> johnwl: It sits in the taskbar and you right click for a Menu, that's ALL. Which is great for me, because it doesn't tax my system at all. It also plays m4as! Which XMMS doesn't do reliably.
[04:34] <dazed> thoreauputic: u think u can still run through some stuff with me?
[04:34] <darmou> can you get xorg to do translucency?
[04:34] <thully> do the fonts render any better on 6.8.2?
[04:34] <johnwl> minimal GUI is fine on a music player imo..i keep my media stuff playing on a virtual desktop anyway
[04:34] <thoreauputic> dazed: ask and I'll try :)
[04:34] <dazed> well i got 9.11 finally so i havent tried the background but im wondering how to install these damn artwiz fonts
[04:34] <dazed> so the styles work and look better
[04:35] <crazydeb8r> johnwl: XMMS cuts 3 seconds off my m4as. This uses xinelibs so it plays them fine.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> dazed: you can apt-get them I think
[04:35] <thoreauputic> dazed: but I haven't really loked into it
[04:35] <thoreauputic> *looked
[04:35] <johnwl> cool i will check it out
[04:35] <johnwl> thx for the tip
[04:35] <crazydeb8r> np
[04:36] <thoreauputic> dazed: apt-cache search artwiz
[04:36] <thoreauputic> xfonts-artwiz - X fonts created by Artwiz, TigerT, and Daniel Era
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> returned gabber as the result lol
[04:38] <dazed> thoreauputic: i got those...but its not working with the styles
[04:38] <thoreauputic> dazed: hmm - sorry I don't know then
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: I had a few problems with 0.9.11 rendering existing styles wrongly
[04:39] <dazed> what u on now?
[04:39] <stazich> hey
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: there have been some changes I think
[04:39] <dazed> 12?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: yes
[04:39] <dazed> whered u get it for deb?
[04:39] <stazich> does anyone know what i need to stream stuff off the net? like live tV?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: some styles still look odd
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dazed: I compiled it
[04:39] <Xenguy> u != you (?)
[04:40] <dazed> oh u did it
[04:40] <thoreauputic> dazed: yup
[04:40] <godsmoke> stazich: well ... you need a player that supports whatever streaming method you want to use
[04:40] <dazed> damn
[04:40] <Quarupt> Can anyone tell me how to add Mallirant to synaptic?
[04:40] <thoreauputic> dazed: it isn't hard to compile
[04:40] <dazed> thoreauputic: im not very good at any of this easy stuff yet...
[04:41] <crazydeb8r> Quarupt: You mean Marillat?
[04:41] <godsmoke> Quarupt: Settings --> repositories -- then select new -- and add the source
[04:41] <dazed> less yet anything reasonably hard lol
[04:41] <Quarupt> godsmoke, i know but what is the APT line i put there?
[04:41] <Dull404> will there be any "huge" differences from warty to hoary? or is it same same but... some fixes + updates ??
[04:41] <thoreauputic> dazed: I can dcc you a deb - but no guarantee it will work for you
[04:41] <godsmoke> Quarupt: it's right on their website ... can't you paste?
[04:41] <stazich> well i am not exactly sure myself what kind it is... its an .ASX link on the net
[04:41] <Quarupt> crazydeb8r, no i mean Marillat
[04:41] <farruinn> Quarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:41] <godsmoke> stazich: what was that for?
[04:41] <jsgotangco> bbl
[04:41] <Quarupt> i just wanna know the address
[04:42] <farruinn> Quarupt: that page tells you exactly what to do
[04:42] <dazed> well you wanna shooot over a try? im on 56k might take a min to dl
[04:42] <dullin> How can I change the programs in the applications and computer menu?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> dazed: so am I :)
[04:42] <thoreauputic> dazed: I'll have a look for it
[04:42] <Quarupt> i know what to do i just want to know the one address i need to add
[04:43] <thoreauputic> compiled for i686 and packaged with checkinstall
[04:43] <dazed> anyone know why the gtk-gnutella i JUST downloaded doesnt open?
[04:43] <stazich> does anyone know what tools i need to stream .ASX file format?
[04:44] <thoreauputic> dazed: sending now
[04:44] <dazed> accepted :)
[04:44] <dullin> stazich: I do beleive that vlc can stream .asx
[04:44] <thoreauputic> ok
[04:45] <dazed> thoreauputic: you know if the gtk-gnutella that u get from apt-get is bad?
[04:45] <dazed> cuz i click on it...and it does nothing
[04:45] <thoreauputic> dazed: no I don't know, sorry
[04:45] <godsmoke> click on it?
[04:45] <Xenguy> dazed: try running it from an xterm, and watch for any error messages
[04:45] <godsmoke> just run "gtk-gnutella"
[04:45] <dazed> it said its ancient
[04:45] <godsmoke> don't use ubuntu's menu
[04:45] <godsmoke> oh
[04:45] <godsmoke> yeah -- ubuntu forgot to upgrade
[04:46] <godsmoke> I remember that
[04:46] <dazed> u talking to me godsmoke?
[04:46] <godsmoke> yes
[04:46] <godsmoke> it's ubuntu's fault
[04:46] <dazed> *** ANCIENT VERSION DETECTED! ***
[04:46] <dazed> Sorry, this program is too ancient to run without
[04:46] <dazed> an explicit user action: please edit the file
[04:46] <dazed>         /home/dazed/.gtk-gnutella/config_gnet
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:46] <godsmoke> if you read the message -- you should be able to override it
[04:46] <dazed> and set the variable "ancient_version_force" to
[04:46] <dazed> "gtk-gnutella/0.93.3 (25/01/2004; GTK1; Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386 i686)".
[04:46] <godsmoke> stop PASTING
[04:46] <dazed> You will then be able to run this version forever, but
[04:46] <godsmoke> STOP
[04:46] <dazed> please consider upgrading, as Gnutella is an evolving
[04:46] <dazed> network, where ancient versions are less performant, if
[04:46] <dazed> not harmful!
[04:46] <godsmoke> dude
[04:46] <dazed> *** EXITING ***
[04:46] <dazed> i tried doing what it said
[04:46] <dazed> but it still doesnt work
[04:46] <godsmoke> don't ever paste that kind of stuff here
[04:46] <dazed> oh damn
[04:47] <godsmoke> use a pastebin
[04:47] <godsmoke> anyway -- yes -- it's a broken version
[04:47] <godsmoke> submit a bug report if there isn't already one
[04:47] <Xenguy> dazed: or use #flood
[04:47] <dazed> lol sorry godsmoke...
[04:47] <godsmoke> but I can verify that it's not just your installation
[04:47] <godsmoke> I tried it on a few machine -- same issue
[04:47] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[04:48] <FX|Laptop> Hey is anyone else running Hoary here?
[04:48] <godsmoke> yes
[04:48] <thoreauputic> dazed: this dcc is looking kind of ragged :/
[04:48] <FX|Laptop> Are you having trouble with webpages being just plain white?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> hope it works OK
[04:48] <godsmoke> FX|Laptop: which browser and which version?
[04:48] <dazed> lol yeah
[04:48] <dazed> almost done thoreauptic
[04:48] <sockler> how can i burn files onto a disc?? im using the ubuntu live cd
[04:49] <FX|Laptop> Firefox and 1.0
[04:49] <thoreauputic> 80%
[04:49] <godsmoke> FX|Laptop: no, I'm not having that issue with the latest firefox on hoary
[04:49] <FX|Laptop> hmmm
[04:49] <FX|Laptop> Wonder what would happen if I uninstalled and then reinstalled.
[04:49] <godsmoke> tried reconfiguring it?
[04:49] <godsmoke> yes
[04:50] <godsmoke> it IS hoary -- things break
[04:50] <godsmoke> so, try a reinstall first
[04:50] <FX|Laptop> yea I know. :)
[04:50] <dazed> where did i download that to lol
[04:50] <godsmoke> if you play around -- submit a bug report if the problem still happens
[04:50] <thoreauputic> dazed: k done
[04:50] <thoreauputic> dazed: are you on xchat?
[04:50] <dazed> thoreauputic: i missed it..wheres the standard it saves to?
[04:50] <dazed> yes thoreaupitc
[04:50] <thoreauputic> dazed: ~/,xchat2/
[04:51] <dazed> most excellent
[04:51] <dazed> whats the full file name?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> dazed: let me know if it installs Ok with dpkg -i
[04:52] <thoreauputic> dazed: just tab complete it
[04:52] <johnwl> the unofficial starter guide is the best thing ever
[04:52] <dazed> 'dpkg -i ~/.xchat/????' <-- correct?
[04:52] <Quarupt> I can not firgure out how to add Malliant to synaptic? it wants an APT line and Wiki doesnt give one?
[04:52] <thoreauputic> dazed: heh - no
[04:52] <godsmoke> dude
[04:53] <godsmoke> Quarupt: go to the marillat site
[04:53] <godsmoke> and copy the damn line
[04:53] <thoreauputic> dazed: open that directory and look for it
[04:53] <Quarupt> there is no DAMN line
[04:53] <godsmoke> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:53] <godsmoke> yes there is
[04:53] <godsmoke> I just got it for you
[04:53] <FX|Laptop> When is hoary suppose to be final?
[04:53] <Quarupt> isnt it unstable for Hoary?
[04:53] <farruinn> godsmoke: from the wiki page? ;)
[04:53] <farruinn> Quarupt: yes
[04:53] <godsmoke> Quarupt: yes
[04:54] <godsmoke> Quarupt: so, change it if your run hoary
[04:54] <dazed> it cant open up ~/.xchat
[04:54] <Quarupt> that one says testing
[04:54] <ultrafunk> Quarupt: dude, it's listed on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[04:54] <godsmoke> I'm not a mind reader
[04:54] <thoreauputic> dazed: hit "show hidden files"
[04:54] <godsmoke> Quarupt: dude -- you can change "testing" to "unstable" -- I have faith in you -- for some reason
[04:54] <Quarupt> so its deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main ?
[04:54] <godsmoke> yes
[04:54] <thoreauputic> dazed ~/.xchat2/downloads
[04:55] <dazed> ok im in
[04:55] <thoreauputic> dazed: fluxbox-0.9.12_0.9.12-1_i386.deb
[04:56] <thoreauputic> looks weird, but that's what checkinstall named it
[04:56] <dazed> ok how do i unpack it
[04:56] <godsmoke> you don't unpack it
[04:56] <godsmoke> it's a .dev
[04:56] <godsmoke> .deb*
[04:56] <godsmoke> you install it
[04:56] <FX|Laptop> hmm removing my ~/.mozilla file fixed it.
[04:56] <dazed> lol my bad
[04:57] <FX|Laptop> but now I lost all my favs. lmao
[04:57] <thoreauputic> dazed: to install , just do sudo dpkg -i fluxbox <tab>
[04:57] <godsmoke> run "dpkg -i /path/to/file/fluxbox-0.9.12_0.9.12-1_i386.deb"
[04:57] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: flux isn't in universe/multiverse?
[04:57] <geppy> dazed:  Didn't you just install fluxbox yesterday?
[04:57] <geppy> dazed:  What happened?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: yes, older version
 as in tab button?
[04:57] <SiRrUs> cdrw31
[04:58] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: so you're breaking his apt :)
[04:58] <thoreauputic> dazed: to complete the file name, yes, hit the tab key
[04:58] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: no, it installs in /usr/local :)
[04:58] <godsmoke> sigh
[04:58] <thoreauputic> ?
[04:59] <dazed> oh im currently using aptget
[04:59] <godsmoke> people who want fluxbox probably don't want ubuntu anyway
[04:59] <dazed> so dpkg is locked up
[04:59] <thoreauputic> why *sigh* ?
[04:59] <dazed> lol
[04:59] <godsmoke> they're kind of counter-cultures of each other
[04:59] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: I have it, and I want ubuntu :)
[04:59] <dazed> geppy get this!!!
[04:59] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: well ... that's a rare case
[04:59] <dazed> guess what happened
[05:00] <geppy> dazed:  Fluxbox broke? =P
[05:00] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: flux is very configurable and can be quite friendly :)
[05:00] <godsmoke> oh, I know
[05:00] <dazed> some how my desktop manager got switchd to xdm so i went and manually edited the file to load up gdm
[05:00] <calc> hmm i read somewhere that ubuntu's package manager is about to change from synaptic?
[05:00] <godsmoke> I run a xfce/fluxbox only house
[05:00] <calc> anyone know about that?
[05:00] <dazed> it loads up gdm and then i try to login and every sesion (including the failsafe) kick me out before i could get in
[05:00] <dazed> so i compoletely reformatted and reinstalled
[05:01] <geppy> dazed:  heh, that sucks
[05:02] <dullin> Is there any way to change the programs in the little foot (applications) and Computer menu in Ubuntu?
[05:02] <Quarupt> whats the package name for windows 32 codecs for mplayer?
[05:02] <farruinn> calc: I believe that's right, although technically dpkg/apt does the package management
[05:03] <geppy> Quarupt: w32codecs
[05:03] <godsmoke> w32codecs, Quarupt
[05:03] <Quarupt> thanks
[05:03] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[05:03] <calc> farruinn: any idea of what it is changing to?
[05:03] <Quarupt> what about a firefox plugiun?
[05:03] <godsmoke> heh
[05:03] <farruinn> calc: can't remember, try searching the mailing list archives
[05:03] <calc> ok
[05:03] <godsmoke> non-existant -- you have to get a puglin for a certain media player
[05:03] <godsmoke> and then get a media player that supports the file type
[05:04] <Quarupt> godsmoke, so i cant goto like squizzle.com and watch the lil movies?
[05:04] <godsmoke> Quarupt: read what I said
[05:04] <Quarupt> i did
[05:04] <Quarupt> now like i just said
[05:04] <Quarupt> godsmoke, so i cant goto like squizzle.com and watch the lil movies?
[05:04] <godsmoke> you obviously didn't read close enough
[05:04] <godsmoke> get a player that supports the movie type
[05:04] <Quarupt> omg nevermind
[05:04] <SiRrUs> anyone know much about the redraw problem
[05:04] <godsmoke> and then get a firefox plugin for that player
[05:04] <Quarupt> anyone else here who can help?
[05:04] <burner> Quarupt, use the vlc plugin or mplayer-mozilla
[05:05] <Quarupt> the only player type that support wmv is mplayer, and i just asked if there was a plugin for firefox, now read what you said
[05:05] <Quarupt> thx burner
[05:07] <Quarupt> E: Couldn't find package mplayer-mozilla
[05:07] <Quarupt> ?
[05:07] <Quarupt> do i need to add yet another source?
[05:08] <johnwl> the directions in the unofficial starter guider work perfectly for video..i just did it
[05:08] <johnwl> *guide
[05:08] <burner> Quarupt, search for it
[05:08] <Quarupt> burner, do i need another source?
[05:08] <burner> i dunno the package name off the top of my head
[05:08] <burner> use synaptic to search
[05:08] <Quarupt> i did apt-cache mplayer
[05:09] <burner> apt-cache search mplayer
[05:09] <Quarupt> i think i need another source
[05:09] <burner> possibly
[05:09] <burner> use the vlc plugin
[05:09] <Quarupt> yea thats what i meant
[05:09] <burner> that'll prolly work
[05:09] <Quarupt> i dunno how to get the vlc plugin
[05:09] <burner> apt-cache search vlc
[05:09] <skel_home> anyone using this piece of shit on amd64?
[05:09] <burner> sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[05:10] <farruinn> skel_home: wow, that'll get you a lot of help
[05:10] <Quarupt> skel_home, what POS? I am using Ubuntu Hoary on a AMD Athlon 64
[05:10] <skel_home> farruinn: thats as optimistic as I get at this point
[05:10] <skel_home> Quarupt: do you use firefox?
[05:10] <Quarupt> it runs great
[05:10] <Quarupt> better than any other distro
[05:10] <Quarupt> yup
[05:10] <Quarupt> I love firefoc
[05:10] <skel_home> Quarupt: well I'll say that I have been very pleased with setup and install
[05:11] <Quarupt> Im not using the 64bit version of Ubuntu, im using the x86 one
[05:11] <skel_home> Quarupt: oh.. ok nm
[05:11] <skel_home> <-- amd64
[05:11] <Quarupt> I would recomend using the x86 one
[05:11] <burner> sh: /home/burner/.irssi/infobash: No such file or directory
[05:11] <Quarupt> it will work on a AMD64
[05:11] <farruinn> skel_home: what are you having trouble with? I've helped a friend get it working on amd64
[05:12] <skel_home> farruinn: firefox crashes everytime I try and type something into the google search
[05:12] <skel_home> farruinn: I get two letters in.. py
[05:12] <skel_home> farruinn: running fresh warty
[05:12] <tizen> hey guys, i just went through the install process but grub won't install... any ideas?
[05:12] <farruinn> skel_home: maybe add warty-updates to your sources.list and upgrade
[05:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any simple command i could run on a file to convert all of its characters to uppercase?
[05:13] <skel_home> farruinn: ok maybe this is an issue of me not rtfm enough
[05:13] <Quarupt> burner, i search synaptic and all that was there were the mplayer players no mozilla stuff?
[05:13] <burner> Quarupt, no vlc mozilla plugin?
[05:14] <burner> i'm using hoary... maybe you need universe :)
[05:14] <Quarupt> i have universe
[05:14] <burner> i'm not using any special repos on this box
[05:14] <farruinn> skel_home: actually, I don't know where I found out about warty-updates...
[05:14] <burner> sucks for you i suppose ;)
[05:14] <Quarupt> wtf?
[05:14] <farruinn> Quarupt: maybe you need multiverse as well?
[05:14] <andrewski> are there security updates for areas other than main?
[05:14] <Quarupt> send me your sources list
[05:14] <Quarupt> i have multi uni and mall
[05:15] <burner> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[05:15] <burner> that's my only entry
[05:15] <thoreauputic> dazed: i take it my flux.deb didn't install? Or did it?
[05:15] <Quarupt> you cant even get mplayer without malliant
[05:15] <farruinn> andrewski: yeah, for some reason there are actually security updates for universe and multiverse
[05:15] <burner> Quarupt, u can get the vlc one i think
[05:15] <andrewski> farruinn: ok, i think i'll add them, thanks.  "for some reason"?
[05:16] <skel_home> farruinn: is warty-updates on archive.ubuntu?
[05:17] <farruinn> yup
[05:17] <skel_home> farruinn: i'm getting a 404 in my update
[05:17] <farruinn> make sure it's a separate line
[05:17] <skel_home> ah ok
[05:17] <farruinn> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main
[05:17] <farruinn> et
[05:17] <farruinn> c
[05:19] <Quarupt> bur[n] er, okay now i get audio only (i installed the vlc for mozilla
[05:19] <Marble2> quick question
[05:19] <Marble2> is there a way for me to submit things to be added to the apt-get repository?
[05:19] <andrewski> Marble2: you have to be added to a devel list; i have a link if you want it...
[05:20] <tizen> hey guys, can i get a sample lilo.conf from one of you?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> i think he means "request" eaxtra packages...
[05:20] <andrewski> thoreauputic: ah, i think you're right... Marble2, bugzilla.ubuntu.org if that's the case.
[05:20] <thoreauputic> tizen: umm.. ubuntu uses grub by default
[05:21] <Quarupt> man all i wanna do is watch scribble movies
[05:21] <tizen> ok, well that's not working
[05:21] <tizen> i get an error
[05:21] <Quarupt> i installed mplayer and vlc plugin and it still doesnt work?
[05:22] <tizen> i am chrooted into the install from the livecd
[05:22] <tizen> and it says
[05:22] <Quarupt> where can i find the mozilla-mplayer plugin?
[05:22] <tizen> "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
[05:22] <tizen> "
[05:22] <Marble2> andrewski: yea, that would be great
[05:22] <andrewski> Marble2: which one?  the link or bugzilla?
[05:23] <Marble2> ah bugzilla is fine
[05:23] <Marble2> thoreauputic: sorry for being a bit short earlier
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Marble2: no worries ;)
[05:25] <Quarupt> anyone know what source i can get the mozilla-mplayer package from?
[05:26] <andrewski> in the apt/sources.list, can you list multiple sections from the same site (e.g. "main restricted multiverse universe") or do you have to list them as separate repositories?
[05:26] <farruinn> andrewski: same line
[05:26] <andrewski> farruinn: sweet, that takes me from like 30 to like 5. :)
[05:27] <Quarupt> grr i just want wmv in firefox is it really that advanced to install?
[05:27] <johnwl> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ - took me like 5 minutes to get mplayer plugins/w32codecs etc running with those instructions
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: you have w32codecs?
[05:27] <Quarupt> thast what i forgot
[05:27] <Quarupt> what the package name?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> w32codecs
[05:28] <Quarupt> okay thx i got it
[05:28] <andrewski> farruinn: but you have to list deb and deb-src separately?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> andrewski: yes
[05:29] <thoreauputic> separate repos for src
[05:29] <andrewski> thoreauputic: when do i need src packages?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> andrewski: when/if you need to build something
[05:30] <thoreauputic> for compiling etc
[05:30] <andrewski> thoreauputic: ok, that's what i thought.
[05:30] <thoreauputic> apt-get build-dep and so on
[05:31] <thoreauputic> andrewski: your poor teeth ! *g*
[05:31] <Bandit> hello guys
[05:31] <Bandit> whats happening
[05:31] <andrewski> thoreauputic: well, they're strong now; i know what i'm doing... most of the time. ;P
[05:32] <thoreauputic> andrewski: yes, I guess gentoo teaches you a lot - some of it maybe not so portable to debin-based distros
[05:32] <andrewski> watch out for... the Bandit!
[05:32] <andrewski> thoreauputic: but i also have more time to actually do stuff too. :)
[05:32] <thoreauputic> *debian
[05:32] <Quarupt> thoreauputic, okay i installed the codecs and it still says (no picture) and plays the audio?
[05:32] <andrewski> thoreauputic: true.
[05:33] <johnnybezak> gentoo doesn't teach you that much imho, a lot of it is just following the guide
[05:33] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: don't ask me - I don't even have a DVD ;-)
[05:33] <Quarupt> no this isnt dvd
[05:33] <Quarupt> its just a movie clip from a website
[05:33] <Quarupt> squizzle.com
[05:33] <thoreauputic> ah
[05:33] <andrewski> johnnybezak: i didn't learn stuff then, but from actually using it, compiling one's own kernel, debugging apps, patches, etc.
[05:34] <Quarupt> grr
[05:34] <Quarupt> why wont it work
[05:34] <andrewski> johnnybezak: plus, they have almost everything out there in portage, so you can catch wind of a lot of nifty, off-the-beaten-path apps.
[05:34] <Quarupt> i think there is a mplayer-mozilla package i need or something
[05:35] <Quarupt> can anyone goto www.squizzle.com and try to watch a movie clip and tell me if they can watch it
[05:35] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: apt-cache search mozilla | grep mplayer
[05:35] <johnwl> must have missed it b/c i said that twice :)
[05:35] <bur[n] er> Quarupt: what codec is that site using?  maybe vlc doesn't play it ;)
[05:36] <bur[n] er> get the mplayer one
[05:36] <bur[n] er> !RestrictedFormats
[05:36] <Quarupt> what is the mplayer one?
[05:36] <bur[n] er> damn...
[05:36] <johnwl> i followed the instructions on the unofficial guide and played a squizzle video in just a couple of minutes
[05:36] <Bandit> andrewski  :)
[05:36] <bur[n] er> in the wiki... RestrictedFormats
[05:36] <Quarupt> NO i have done everything the damn restricted formats page says
[05:36] <bur[n] er> wtf is squizzle anyway?
[05:36] <Quarupt> and there is no mention of a mplayer plugin for firefox
[05:36] <Quarupt> just a funny site
[05:37] <bur[n] er> add the marillat repos... apt-cache search mplayer mozilla
[05:37] <darmou> can you get xorg to do translucency?
[05:37] <johnwl> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#multimedia-mozillap4
[05:37] <Quarupt> bur[n] er, its added, well to synaptic at least and it doesnt find anything
[05:38] <bur[n] er> darmou: via composite engine... no
[05:38] <darmou> ok thanks bur[n] er
[05:38] <bur[n] er> darmou: u have any apps that can utilize it?
[05:38] <darmou> does gnome?
[05:38] <bur[n] er> i think it's compiled in ubuntu with composite option...
[05:39] <bur[n] er> gnome as a whole?  i dont' think so
[05:39] <AMCDeathKnight> ewy, how can i edit gdms resolution in the termainL/
[05:39] <Quarupt> bur[n] er, do i need to add that other source that it mesntions on the restricted formats page?
[05:40] <bur[n] er> Quarupt: possibly ;)
[05:40] <Quarupt> whats the apt line for it
[05:40] <bur[n] er> read that link that johnwl pasted
[05:40] <Quarupt> i tried to hink of it myself and it didnt work
[05:40] <dazed_> thoreauputic: u still around?
[05:40] <Quarupt> thats for totem-zine
[05:40] <Quarupt> xine
[05:40] <thoreauputic> dazed_: yep
[05:40] <AMCDeathKnight> ewy, how can i edit gdms resolution in the termainL/
[05:40] <thoreauputic> dazed_: nay luck?
[05:41] <bur[n] er> and mplayer... no?
[05:41] <dazed_> yeah still trouble with the damn backgrounds...lol
[05:41] <thoreauputic> dazed_: did the deb install OK?
[05:41] <bur[n] er> Quarupt: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#multimedia-mozillap4
[05:42] <Paco> does anyone here know how to troubleshoot a gnome install?
[05:42] <dazed_> i forgot abouts it im tryign ow
[05:42] <AMCDeathKnight> ewy, how can i edit gdms resolution in the termainL/
[05:42] <bur[n] er> AMCDeathKnight: why not do it with the gui?
[05:42] <AMCDeathKnight> it wont load
[05:42] <dazed_> dpkg still locked up
[05:42] <bur[n] er> lol
[05:43] <bur[n] er> ok
[05:43] <bur[n] er> uhh... /etc/gdm/gdm.conf maybe?
[05:43] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[05:43] <AMCDeathKnight> let me try
[05:43] <thoreauputic> dazed_: that means you have apt or synaptic running
[05:43] <dazed_> i do
[05:43] <dazed_> im gettin konqueror
[05:43] <johnnybezak> you have to wait then
[05:43] <bur[n] er> i lied, it just uses your X settings AMCDeathKnight
[05:43] <geppy> dazed_:  Then you can't run apt again somewhere else.
[05:43] <dazed_> (been busy installing stuff since i formatted) lol thats how i forgot
[05:44] <thoreauputic> dazed_: wait til it finishes
[05:44] <Paco> i did a fresh debian sid install, and installed gnome, and when i did 'startx,' the error message is: X10: fatal IO error 104 on X server
[05:44] <dazed_> i know...i forgot it was running...its been downloading for like an hour
[05:44] <stuNNed> mang, X is slow after todays updates to Hoary
[05:45] <AMCDeathKnight> will try l8ter
[05:45] <AMCDeathKnight> thanks
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Paco: why are you asking a debian sid question in #ubuntu?
[05:45] <AMCDeathKnight> as i have to go
[05:45] <SiRrUs> stuNNed yeah it sure is
[05:45] <dazed_> does anyone know how i can get gtk-gnutella (a working one) or a program like it?
[05:45] <Paco> because ubuntu is close to debian
[05:46] <johnnybezak> dazed_: giFT
[05:46] <Paco> ubuntu is basically sid, optimized for gnome
[05:46] <bur[n] er> optimized pretty well for gnome i might add
[05:46] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: thought switching to openbox would help, not really
[05:46] <farruinn> Paco: yes, but the installers are different enough I would think...
[05:46] <dazed_> giFT is it available via apt-get?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> dazed_: apt-cache policy says it's in universe
[05:46] <nitricz> I need some help from anyone that can help me
[05:46] <johnnybezak> dazed_: teo
[05:46] <SiRrUs> :) I am sure it will be fixed soon
[05:46] <johnnybezak> dazed_: yep
[05:46] <thoreauputic> gtk-gnutella
[05:46] <Paco> true....can anyone here help troubleshoot an install?
[05:47] <johnnybezak> dazed_: its a daemon, you can get openft, gnutella and fasttrack (kazaa) plugins
[05:47] <dazed_> gtk-gnutella on universe is broken file...its outta date
[05:47] <bur[n] er> Paco: what's wrong?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> dazed_: OK
[05:47] <johnnybezak> gift.sourceforge.net
[05:47] <Quarupt> grrr, i did all that and it still says no picture!
[05:48] <dazed_> thanks johnnhbezak
[05:48] <nitricz> Can anyone walk me through a wine setup for aol?
[05:48] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: glad it's not just me then :] 
[05:48] <Paco> well, i just did an instal of debian, and then i insatlld gnome, and when i did the startx, the error message i got was: XIO:fatal IO error 104 on X server
[05:48] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: using nvidia?
[05:48] <Quarupt> bur[n] er, wtf?
[05:48] <geppy> Does AOL work on Linux?
[05:48] <nitricz> believe me not by choice
[05:48] <nitricz> I have to use dial up
[05:48] <thoreauputic> nitricz: hehe :)
[05:48] <nitricz> nope not at all so I'm trying to wine it
[05:48] <SiRrUs> stuNNed on one of the machines not this one tho
[05:49] <bur[n] er> Quarupt: got me man, i don't use that site
[05:49] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: so it's still slow even w/out nvidia ok
[05:49] <bur[n] er> lol
[05:49] <SiRrUs> yep it is
[05:49] <Quarupt> well please try the site and see if it says the same thing for you
[05:49] <nitricz> I tried peng and penggy and couldn't get it to install
[05:49] <Quarupt> bur[n] er, plz
[05:49] <SiRrUs> Quarupt what cant you watch
[05:49] <bur[n] er> geppy: earthlink will actually work in linux
[05:49] <Xenguy> oh jezus h particular christ
[05:49] <Quarupt> im not sure of the codec
[05:49] <geppy> bur[n] er: Ah, cool.  Anything special I'd have to do?
[05:49] <Quarupt> SiRrUs, its the movies on squizzle.com
[05:50] <bur[n] er> Quarupt: squizzle.com?
[05:50] <Quarupt> ya
[05:50] <bur[n] er> k
[05:50] <Xenguy> geppy: support some small ISP in your area, why dontcha?
[05:50] <bur[n] er> geppy: no
[05:50] <Quarupt> then click movies and try one
[05:50] <SiRrUs> are you trying to sownload them
[05:50] <Quarupt> no
[05:50] <Quarupt> just watch
[05:50] <bur[n] er> geppy: it's just a phone number... basic config
[05:50] <Quarupt> you have to be a member to DL em
[05:50] <SiRrUs> i cant see them either
[05:50] <geppy> Xenguy:  I have an ISP;  I'm choosing between two _free_ options that come with my lappy, for use on vacations. =)
[05:50] <SiRrUs> and my video works well
[05:51] <Xenguy> bye
[05:51] <Quarupt> SiRrUs, but you can hear em?
[05:51] <jeff_> can anyone help me configure my prure-ftp server
[05:51] <Quarupt> SiRrUs, They work on win, there must be a way to watch em on here
[05:51] <pestilence> does the hoary kernel have suspend-to-disk support built in?
[05:51] <Xenguy> jeff_: vsftp is an alternative (but just FYI :-)
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: do you know what the format is?
[05:52] <Quarupt> no
[05:52] <Quarupt> i think its some kinda wmv stream
[05:52] <SiRrUs> Quarupt not too interested in reinstalling xp to be able to watch squzzle videos :)
[05:52] <Quarupt> i dont wanna use xp
[05:52] <Quarupt> i wanna use Ubuntu
[05:52] <pestilence> SiRrUs: what's a squzzle video?
[05:53] <Xenguy> Quarupt: thank you :-)
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: does the status bar in firefox give a hint about the format ( .wmv or whatever)
[05:53] <SiRrUs> pestilence you will need to ask Quarupt
[05:53] <SiRrUs> Quarupt my players play wmv but wont play from that site
[05:54] <thoreauputic> it's evidently very important to Quarupt, whatever it is ;-)
[05:54] <Quarupt> it just says javascript button or something
[05:54] <pestilence> hehe
[05:54] <pestilence> what site?
[05:54] <SiRrUs> ;)
[05:54] <Quarupt> squizzle.com
[05:54] <Quarupt> im on a mission now
[05:54] <Quarupt> It has to be WMV or RA
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: do you have helix or real player?
[05:55] <blahrus> anyone have any issues with totem in hoary, I am having play back very slugish
[05:55] <Quarupt> i have real player, but theres no way to get the urls for the file
[05:56] <pestilence> so, if you hit ctrl+u in firefox, you can find out for sure :)
[05:56] <pestilence> for instancew
[05:56] <pestilence> http://movies.squizzle.com:81/3180-gun.wmv
[05:56] <pestilence> which plays fine in mplayer
[05:56] <Quarupt> so it is wmv
[05:56] <Quarupt> wtf
[05:56] <pestilence> Quarupt: is that what you are trying to view?
[05:56] <Quarupt> why doesnt it work then?
[05:56] <pestilence> just install mplayer-plugin
[05:56] <dazed_> damn my 56k is so damn fast
[05:57] <jeff_> whats a small easy to use ftp client for windows
[05:57] <dazed_> cute ftp
[05:57] <thoreauputic> jeff_: cute ftp?
[05:57] <jeff_> nah smaller in size
[05:57] <Quarupt> E: Couldn't find package mplayer-plugin
[05:57] <pestilence> yea :)
[05:57] <Quarupt> what source do i need
[05:57] <dazed_> there arent many smaller
[05:57] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > use the one build into explorer
[05:57] <Quarupt> i have mplayer installed allready
[05:57] <pestilence> Quarupt: the only way i know of to install it is from source
[05:58] <dazed_> the cute ftp file transfer program is like 800k
[05:58] <Quarupt> its not packaged?
[05:58] <pestilence> Quarupt: and if you aren't comfortable installing stuff from source, forget about it :)
[05:58] <pestilence> not to my knowledgw
[05:58] <Quarupt> fine whats the url for source, as long as it will work with ./configure ./make ./make install
[05:58] <SiRrUs> Quarupt go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:58] <thoreauputic> mozilla-mplayer maybe?
[05:58] <pestilence> google: mplayer-plugin
[05:58] <Quarupt> couldnt find that package either
[05:59] <Quarupt> just gimme link directly to the source plz
[05:59] <johnwl> follow the steps in the unofficial starter guide and all your media stuff will work fine, wmv, dvd, mp3, burning etc
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. clean install.. installed nvidia drivers.. message pops up 'failed to initilze HAL' - what the heck is Hal? :P
[05:59] <Quarupt> i can playback wmv fine allredy just not from this site
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: mozilla-mplayer is in multiverse
[05:59] <pestilence> hmmm....that's an interesting claim johnwl...i'll have to check this out.
[06:00] <Quarupt> not in Hoary multiverse i checked
[06:00] <thoreauputic> OK - I'm on warty
[06:00] <pestilence> i guess i was wrong, it is packaged.
[06:00] <johnwl> it did for me anyway..i have a fresh install and went through the steps..everythings running fine.
[06:00] <blahrus> anyone have any issues with totem in hoary, I am having play back very slugish
[06:00] <wjesus_axl> is there anyone who can help me setting up my wireless card
[06:00] <calc> Dr_willis: hardware abstraction layer, not sure what it means wrt nvidia
[06:00] <geppy|Clerks> wjesus_axl:  Why don't you state a little about your card?
[06:01] <wjesus_axl> this is an atheros card...
[06:01] <Goldarg> Howdy folks, I'm having a problem installing Ubuntu on a Blue & White G3.
[06:01] <calc> Dr_willis: there is the generic term and then there is also a hal daemon used by project utopia stuff
[06:01] <Quarupt> johnwl, like i said WMV works fine for me, just not from this site
[06:01] <blahrus> wjesus_axl, you just need to make sure you have the restricted modules installed for your kernel
[06:01] <Goldarg> The installer boots off CD, Does a bunch of stuff, reboots and then I'm stuck, it never fully boots.
[06:01] <wjesus_axl> an Atheros Ar5212
[06:02] <wjesus_axl> shoud work with the madwifi package.. but I have some problems while compile it
[06:02] <blahrus> wjesus_axl: you don't need to compile it
[06:02] <blahrus> wjesus_axl: it is built in
[06:02] <Dr_willis> calc,  not sure if its video related/gnomerelated.. or it may of poped up just as i plugged in my USB thumb dfrive. :p
[06:02] <wjesus_axl> :o
[06:02] <pestilence> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List?PHPSESSID=ce1e85f65542ad6e9e7d686db559b44b
[06:03] <Goldarg> I get a message about '/sbin/init: 429: cannot open dev/console: No such file' and a pivot_root message
[06:03] <pestilence> it's the first card on the list
[06:03] <wjesus_axl> for real?...
[06:03] <demonix> my wireless worked out of the box with ubuntu hoary
[06:03] <wjesus_axl> I don't even have the drivers on
[06:03] <Zanz2> what card?
[06:03] <demonix> prizm chipset
[06:03] <blahrus> wjesus_axl: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[06:03] <johnwl> Quarupt there are p4 instructions and non-p4 instructions for the mozilla plugin..could that be it?
[06:03] <blahrus> make sure you get the one for your current kernel
[06:03] <Zanz2> i have a usb that has prism 2 chipset but it doesn't work
[06:03] <demonix> really
[06:04] <Quarupt> i followed non-p4 instuctions
[06:04] <Zanz2> butt i was using my RT2500
[06:04] <demonix> my prism 2 as worked with every distro i've tried
[06:04] <Zanz2> which i got to work eventually
[06:04] <demonix> was it a usb issue?
[06:04] <Quarupt> whats the file where your apt sources are stored?
[06:04] <wjesus_axl> which restricted modules?
[06:04] <jdub> lastlog jeff
[06:04] <jdub> bah
[06:04] <Zanz2> no idea, i ddin't bother with the prism2
[06:05] <demonix> oh
[06:05] <Zanz2> what are restricted modules?
[06:05] <johnwl> apt sources: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:05] <marcus__> ddd
[06:06] <blahrus> wjesus_axl: the one for you kernel
[06:06] <blahrus> wjesus_axl: uname -r
[06:06] <blahrus> will tell you which one you have.
[06:06] <wjesus_axl> etc/apt/preferences
[06:06] <wjesus_axl> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:07] <Goldarg> Oh looks like the pivot_root: No such file or directory comes before the init error
[06:07] <Goldarg> then I'm left with a Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init and it reboots after a minute of sitting there.
[06:07] <farruinn> Goldarg: this is a B&W G3?
[06:07] <tolstoy> Does anyone have dvi working with a DFP and nvidia?  (vga works, just not dvi).  Would like to know so that I can rule out the most recent hoary kernel/drivers as a problem.
[06:07] <Goldarg> farruinn: Yes
[06:08] <Goldarg> farruinn: 128mb ram, 350MHz 20Gig disk and a PCI SCSI card that I'm not using
[06:08] <Dr_willis> DFP ?
[06:08] <Dr_willis> I use dvi on my 6800 video card.
[06:08] <wjesus_axl> do I need to compile my kernel?
[06:08] <farruinn> Goldarg: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[06:09] <farruinn> Goldarg: you're not using a hoary install cd by any chance are you?
[06:09] <BrianAnthony> how would I disable vesafb from loading with the kernel?
[06:09] <Goldarg> farruinn: Let me find the sleeve
[06:09] <pestilence> wjesus_axl: have you tried using ndiswrapper?
[06:09] <BrianAnthony> It's causing my X to die horribly and in short lock up my computer
[06:10] <dazed_> HelP! my apt-get just timed out when i only had 10 minutes left after like an hour...can i resume it anyway?
[06:10] <farruinn> dazed_: should be able to
[06:10] <Goldarg> farruinn: It doesn't say on the sleeve what version it is, I had it mailed to me from the website
[06:10] <dazed_> how?
[06:11] <pestilence> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[06:11] <farruinn> just run the same command, it should pick up where it left off
[06:11] <wjesus_axl> No I haven't... but I think I need to install my wireless card driver
[06:11] <dazed_> thoreauputi: the 9.12 build worked
[06:11] <johnwl> I always wondered why debian ppl babbled about apt-get..have to admit it rocks
[06:12] <pestilence> wjesus_axl: the way ndiswrapper works is it wraps a windows driver.  basically you download the windows driver, tell ndiswrapper about it, and then modprobe ndiswrapper.  then your card will work
[06:12] <Goldarg> farruinn: "Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Preview powerpc Binary-1 20041020 according to the installer
[06:12] <pestilence> wjesus_axl: this is assuming there are not linux drivers existing for your card
[06:12] <pestilence> wjesus_axl: which i am assuming since you are having problems
[06:13] <farruinn> Goldarg: Ok, in any case follow those instructions and you should be ok
[06:13] <Quarupt> whats the file that has all your apt sources?
[06:13] <pestilence> wjesus_axl: and according to the ndiswrapper website, your card works with it
[06:13] <BrianAnthony> how would I locate a module?
[06:13] <dazed_> how do i resume a timed out file with apt-get
[06:13] <pestilence> Quarupt: /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <Dr_willis> dazed_,  just apt-get it again is my bet.
[06:13] <johnwl> instructions for editing sources.list: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:13] <farruinn> dazed_: running the same command didn't work?
[06:13] <dazed_> it didnt the first time
[06:14] <dazed_> it did the 2nd
[06:14] <dazed_> typed same exact line .... wierd!
[06:14] <johnnybezak> linux magic :P
[06:14] <Dr_willis> server may been lagged.. or somthing.. or its Magic!
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Little Tux Faries
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Faeries
[06:14] <dazed_> Tux is da man
[06:14] <johnwl> da penguin anyway
[06:14] <dazed_> coolest mascot of ANYTHING EVER!
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Guy at the Mall could Print Custome License Plates.. but he had no TUX logo. :P
[06:15] <johnwl> i wonder if he hangs with the playboy bunny
[06:15] <Dr_willis> i need to be sure to take a usb key with   Tux on it - next time.
[06:15] <dazed_> lol
[06:15] <dazed_> i bet he would
[06:16] <dazed_> lol
[06:16] <marcus__> What is a server of irc of emule???
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. the AUto-mounting/feature of cdroms seems to be broke.. odd...
[06:16] <dazed_> dr_willis: awkward
[06:17] <Goldarg> Rebooting to try.
[06:17] <Goldarg> farruinn: You rock! Thank you!
[06:18] <Quarupt> anyone know where limewire keep all your music?
[06:18] <Quarupt> by default?
[06:18] <farruinn> Goldarg: heh, don't thank me - I would never have been clever enough to come up with all that
[06:18] <johnwl> Quarupt: probably on a fbi.gov server :)
[06:18] <Quarupt> haha
[06:19] <Quarupt> seriously
[06:19] <Quarupt> anyone know?
[06:19] <Goldarg> farruinn: Ahh but all my searching of the wiki didnt produce anything similar, Never thought to check the forums.
[06:19] <Dr_willis> dang it - getting cedega all set up.. and the cdrom mounting is now *$&*&@&@ with me
[06:19] <farruinn> Goldarg: ooh, good idea, it should be added to the wiki...
[06:19] <johnwl> you try a reboot dr willis?
[06:20] <Anubis> hey
[06:20] <Anubis> check the flood #
[06:20] <SiRrUs> Quarupt when you installed limewire it asked you where you wanted to save the music
[06:21] <Quarupt> yea, and i used the default
[06:21] <Anubis> crimsun, check the flood #
[06:21] <Quarupt> what is it?
[06:21] <SiRrUs> shared
[06:21] <SiRrUs> probably in your home directory
[06:22] <johnwl> you can always save on song and search for it if all else fails
[06:22] <johnwl> on=one
[06:22] <Quarupt> so no one knows the default, cause its not anywhere in my home folder
[06:22] <Quarupt> lemme check /root
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: try enabling "show hidden files"
[06:23] <thoreauputic> it won't be in /root
[06:23] <thoreauputic> unless you ran it as root
[06:23] <thoreauputic> (bad move!)
[06:24] <thoreauputic> .limewire perhaps
[06:25] <Goldarg> Goodnight and thanks for the help.
[06:25] <Quarupt> how do i enable showing the hidden files?
[06:25] <johnwl> /usr/bin/limewire?
[06:26] <thoreauputic> johnwl: that would be the executable
[06:26] <tizen> what is the equivilent to debian unstable with ubuntu? I just installed it and I'm not seeing a lot of packages in synaptic
[06:26] <Quarupt> johnwl, thats where the binary is
[06:26] <johnwl> oh you looking for the shared files?
[06:26] <Quarupt> yea
[06:26] <Quarupt> lol
[06:26] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: ctrl-H in nautilus
[06:26] <Quarupt> im using CMI
[06:27] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: well just do a  `ls -al ` in your home directory
[06:27] <Quarupt> okay it was in shared
[06:28] <Quarupt> but when i use gaim to ry to send one it doesnt show em?
[06:28] <Quarupt> how can i fix this?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> tizen: http://ubuntuguide.org  - enable other repositories like universe and multiverse
[06:29] <Quarupt> hrm maybe i installed limewire as root so all the files are hidden when viewed by gaim which was installed as a user???
[06:30] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: try running gaim as root
[06:31] <Quarupt> aww good idea
[06:31] <moses_lim> hi :)
[06:31] <thoreauputic> hmm... I wouldn't run gaim as root (or any other internet app for that matter)
[06:32] <Quarupt> ITS still only showing 3 files!!!
[06:34] <johnwl> ubuntu may actually lead me to like the color brown
[06:36] <johnwl> i think its time to apt-get some taco bell
[06:36] <stuNNed> lol
[06:37] <Quarupt> is there a like GUI for top or some kinda task manager?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> gtop i tyhink :P
[06:37] <Dr_willis> depends on what you want to do exactly
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> Quarupt, you can do top in gkrellm
[06:37] <Quarupt> kill a proccess
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> if you know part of the name, then
[06:37] <clopsy> okay, quick question--i have a FAT32 hard drive in a machine running ubuntu that i want to share with samba. The window box can see the machine (and the "home") files, but not the other fat32 drive? help?
[06:38] <Quarupt> theres no like task manager for Ubuntu (Hoary)?
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> ps ax | grep app
[06:38] <thoreauputic> system monitor (under system tools)
[06:38] <Quarupt> No i want a gui
[06:38] <Quarupt> cool
[06:38] <Dr_willis> i like that PS-Doom - where you see all running processes as monsters you can then kill :P
[06:38] <Quarupt> thx
[06:38] <stuNNed> gtop
[06:38] <johnwl> i use system monitor as a sorta task manager
[06:38] <Quarupt> system tools is where?
[06:38] <Quarupt> in Gnome menu or system menu?
[06:38] <johnwl> click on the little gnome foot :)
[06:39] <johnwl> yeah
[06:39] <Quarupt> limewire didnt show up in there
[06:39] <Quarupt> and its running, but frozen
[06:40] <cswanson> hey all... quick question, running warty and I installed the nvidia drivers (fx5600 256mb card) and things like window scrolling are taking huge amounts of CPU.
[06:40] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: killall limewire :)
[06:40] <moses_lim> ii can't seem to add another network card :( i have edited /etc/netwok/interaces and all i did was break my networking .. i then tried to create aliases in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases but no cigar :( can someone pls gimme some pointers as to where i may be going wrong??  thanks
[06:40] <Quarupt> Oh wait a minute i used a console to open it
[06:40] <johnwl> make sure "view all processes" is set
[06:41] <cswanson> I just used the ones from the ubuntu repositories... perhaps I'm not doing something right?
[06:41] <moses_lim> sorry .. i m running wartyhog
[06:42] <Quarupt> okay so if i installed Limewire as root how can i make it so other users can run it?
[06:42] <darmou> does anyone know how to grep sub dirs?
[06:43] <dazed> thora...u still around?
[06:43] <thoreauputic> sort of, yeah
[06:43] <Quarupt> whats command to put something in the background?
[06:43] <Quarupt> ctr z?
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: bg
[06:43] <Quarupt> or something?
[06:43] <Quarupt> no after its running
[06:43] <thoreauputic> ctrl-z stops, bg backgrounds
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> screen
[06:44] <dazed> thoreauputic: well to let you know the 9.12 package worked without a hitch...but i still gots no support on the background with this style i got
[06:44] <thoreauputic> so ctrl-z , then bg
[06:44] <Quarupt> cool
[06:44] <Quarupt> and fg 1 will bring it back?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> dazed, hmm... glad the deb worked, don't know what the backgound problem is
[06:45] <Quarupt> can I add something to the limewire runLime script to make it run in the bg when i start it?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: yes, fg brings it back to foreground
[06:45] <Dr_willis> runLimewire &
[06:45] <Dr_willis> bash 101 :p
[06:45] <dazed> i think i found it
[06:45] <dazed> it says .blackbox not .fluxbox
[06:45] <dazed> see if that works
[06:46] <thoreauputic> dazed, heh, yeah that would confuse matters ;)
[06:46] <skidtits> hey
[06:46] <skidtits> can ubuntu play most pc games?
[06:46] <Quarupt> grr but limeire still crashes when i close the terminal even know i put it in the BG??????
[06:46] <Quarupt> With Cedega, yes
[06:46] <stuNNed> Quarupt: yes, that is normal
[06:46] <skidtits> what about emulators
[06:47] <stuNNed> Quarupt: run it from teh 'run' dialogue
[06:47] <jsgotangco> hey all
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: closing he parent kills the child, yeah
[06:47] <Quarupt> I cant, i installed it as root
[06:47] <skidtits> hey
[06:47] <jsgotangco> is anyone here using ndiswrapper?
[06:47] <skidtits> can linux play all the windows emulators
[06:47] <dazed> thoreauputic: still didnt work...whats the basic background set code cuz the one in the style is really complicated and i dont think it needs to be
[06:47] <Dr_willis> i play a lot of emulators.
[06:47] <skidtits> thats the only thing holding me back from swithcing
[06:47] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:47] <skidtits> switching
[06:47] <Quarupt> thoreauputic,  I installed it as root
[06:47] <skidtits> OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600) CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 1.99 GHz Video: Philips 150S (15inch LCD MONITOR 150S5) on nVidia GeForce FX 5900XT (1024x768x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio Memory: Used: 268/512MB Uptime: 4d 9h 27m 4s HD: [C:]  10.42/19.53 GB [D:Data]  14.18/94.96 GB Connection: NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 1353.67MB Sent: 566.64MB)
[06:48] <Dr_willis> the windows emulators like winuae and so forth are a little easier to use perhaps.. but you can optmize the emulators more under linux at times.
[06:48] <dazed> i got athalon 64 4600+ bia
[06:48] <Dr_willis> depends on what you are running/wanting to emulate
[06:48] <johnwl> Linux game supprt: http://www.transgaming.com/
[06:48] <thoreauputic> skidtits: next time, don't paste in here
[06:48] <skidtits> so linux can us most all pc programs?
[06:48] <skidtits> sorry
[06:48] <Dr_willis> been FIGHTING with cedega all night. :P
[06:48] <stuNNed> heh
[06:48] <thoreauputic> skidtits: use #flood or a pastebin
[06:48] <Dr_willis> skidtits,  NO it cant. :p
[06:49] <skidtits> that sucks
[06:49] <skidtits> why does it exist?
[06:49] <jsgotangco> does anyone know why my gnome wireless link monitor is still at 100% even if there's no wifi router around? Am using Ndiswrapper
[06:49] <Quarupt> thoreauputic, ? how can i fix this, i installed it as root, can i like chmod or chown it or something?
[06:49] <Dr_willis> skidtits,  however with WineX and other tools it can do many of them
[06:49] <Dr_willis> skidtits,  why does what exist..
[06:49] <skidtits> ooo nice
[06:49] <stuNNed> only thing i got to work in cedega was mohaa:allied assault but didn't try much of anything else.
[06:49] <skidtits> i'll test it on my beater computer
[06:49] <dazed> thoreauputic: do u know the basic background set code?
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: I don't know limewire, but most programs are installed as root and run as users
[06:49] <Dr_willis> limewire can install as a user I belive
[06:50] <jsgotangco> the link reading is borked
[06:50] <stuNNed> Quarupt: you do not need to install LimeWire as root user.  Uninstall it and install as normal user?
[06:50] <Quarupt> Yea it can, but i didnt i installed it as ROOT
[06:50] <Dr_willis> in fact i Belive LIMEwire had an optuion that you should give when you install it as root.. to let the users all use it..
[06:50] <skidtits> i have a pleco named willis
[06:50] <thoreauputic> dazed, hey, I just followed the instructions on fluxbox.org ;-)
[06:51] <dazed> okie ill go check it out
[06:51] <dazed> u got it to work though huh
[06:52] <Quarupt> Okay, limewire doesnt install you just download and run the script and the thing strts
[06:52] <thoreauputic> dazed, most likely you just have a small syntax error in your configuration somewhere
[06:52] <Quarupt> But howcome when i click the .sh file in Nautilus it doesnt open, the only way i can get it to open is through a console?
[06:52] <stuNNed> Quarupt: no, run it from the 'Run' command in your menu or create and icon for it and place it on your panel or desktop.
[06:53] <dazed> ok
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: because it isn't in your PATH ?
[06:53] <Quarupt> I want an Icon
[06:54] <OrangeSlice> who wants to fix pygtk2!
[06:54] <Quarupt> thoreauputic, whats not in my path?
[06:55] <Quarupt> im clicking on the damn file
[06:55] <Quarupt> doesnt need to be in my path if im calling it direct
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: it depends where the file is
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: OK. ignore me ;)
[06:55] <Quarupt> and i used create laucher to make an icon and none appeared?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> I'm wrong
[06:56] <Quarupt> your telling me something needs to be in your PATH if your calling it loacally
[06:56] <monoxide> is there an archive type that preserves linux lns?
[06:56] <Quarupt> ad aposed to globably
[06:56] <dazed> rootCommand:                    fsetbg ~/.fluxbox/backgrounds/sid_fluxbox.jpg
[06:56] <hawke> monoxide: tar
[06:56] <dazed> that looks right doesnt it?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: as I said, I'm wrong
[06:56] <thoreauputic> dazed, yes, the problem is probably elsewhere
[06:57] <dazed> like?
[06:58] <thoreauputic> dazed, the theme file? or the startup script? dunno
[06:58] <Quarupt> using Run application doesnt work either?
[06:58] <Quarupt> wtf?
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: did you try entering the full path to the file? You never know...
[06:59] <stuNNed> dang, when will ubuntu-wallpaper NOT have naked ppl lol
[06:59] <Dr_willis> naked?
[06:59] <Quarupt> I have been doing this the whole time I have to its not in my PATH
[06:59] <dazed> damn
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: it's executable? The permissions are OK?
[07:00] <Quarupt> its a .sh and when i call it from a terminal it works fine
[07:00] <thoreauputic> dazed. another approach is to install fluxter and define your backgrounds with that
[07:00] <dazed> thoreauputic: there must be something wrong cuz i did the one in init to override style backgrounds...and it still didnt bring it up
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. error i get is "Failed to initalize HAL!"  -
[07:00] <monoxide> thanks hawke
[07:01] <Dr_willis> even has the ! on the end :P lol
[07:01] <dazed> whats fluxter?
[07:01] <Quarupt> man this is weird
[07:01] <Dr_willis> sounds like an add on for Fluxbox
[07:01] <Quarupt> i can call it from a terminal fine as a user but not from "run Application"
[07:02] <thoreauputic> dazed, a pager for fluxbox - it's kind of cool- you can have separate backgrounds for each workspace for instance
[07:02] <Dr_willis> the paths for the 'run application' are not the same as a terminal - ive seen others asking similer question/problems
[07:02] <dazed> no way like blackbox/...
[07:02] <dazed> im used to blackbox for windows
[07:02] <dazed> thats what got me into linux
[07:03] <Quarupt> Dr_willis, but i used browse and found it and it put the full path?
[07:03] <Xenguy> annoyance
[07:03] <dazed> fbpager same thing?
[07:03] <hawke> monoxide: no prob
[07:03] <thoreauputic> dazed, i think that's a different one
[07:04] <dazed> yeah its gay
[07:04] <dazed> lol where do i get the one ur talking of
[07:04] <Xenguy> ignore ignore ignore
[07:04] <monoxide> does tar have an exclude option? so that you can  use a wildcard but exclude some files?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> dazed, I forget - try googling "fluxter fluxbox linux" or similar
[07:05] <Xenguy> monoxide: yes -- man tar
[07:05] <dazed> i loaded up this fbpager via term and now theres 2 instances of it running how do i rid this?
[07:05] <Quarupt> MAN! i put the full path into "Run Application" and it still doesnt work???? Only when i call it from a terminal wtf?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> use 'kill PID" on one
[07:05] <Dr_willis> or xkill
[07:06] <dazed> kill pid in the term?
[07:06] <Xenguy> Quarupt: ?????? punctuation ?????
[07:06] <Quarupt> what?
[07:06] <Xenguy> better
[07:06] <Dr_willis> use 'ps ax' to get its pid. the 'kill <PID>'
[07:06] <stuNNed> Quarupt: create an icon for it already, sheesh.
[07:06] <ineedhelp> has anyone had success with the Lexmark Z605 printer?
[07:07] <wjesusaxl> hey guys I have a problem with my wireless card...
[07:07] <Quarupt> I tried, and the icon never got put on my deswktop when i click okay
[07:07] <stuNNed> ineedhelp: does linuxprinting.org say it's supported?
[07:07] <wjesusaxl> when I try to install the driver..
[07:07] <wjesusaxl> there's a message Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined.
[07:07] <dazed> thanks
[07:07] <ineedhelp> stunned no it does not
[07:07] <Quarupt> stuNNed, I tried and it didnt put anything on my desktop
[07:07] <wjesusaxl> does anybody know what to do??
[07:07] <ineedhelp> there are redhat drivers out there but they wouldnt work when i tried them
[07:08] <Quarupt> this is a simple thing why isnt it working?
[07:08] <wjesusaxl> do you know how to avoid this... Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined.
[07:08] <Xenguy> fear my frickin rootkit ?
[07:08] <LinuxG0d> lol
[07:08] <LinuxG0d> :P
[07:09] <thoreauputic> dazed, you realise there's a #fluxbox here on freenode?
[07:09] <Xenguy> heh
[07:09] <dazed> they are mean
[07:09] <LinuxG0d> hi Xenguy
[07:09] <dazed> plus they all rag on ubuntu and debian
[07:09] <thoreauputic> dazed, oh? I didn't find them so...
[07:09] <LinuxG0d> plz send me ubuntu cd's
[07:09] <LinuxG0d> :)
[07:09] <Quarupt> Anyone know why i can only start limewire via console not via Run Application Nautilus or Icon?
[07:09] <dazed> well one guy was extremely helpful alld ay long
[07:09] <thoreauputic> dazed: you probably hit them at a bad time ;-)
[07:09] <dazed> yeah
[07:10] <Xenguy> LinuxG0d: you can order them -- they are nice (value added)
[07:10] <dazed> i got that fluxter...i see it in the corner how do i control it
[07:10] <LinuxG0d> Xenguy, i think its free
[07:10] <LinuxG0d> i order it but
[07:10] <wjesusaxl> Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined.
[07:10] <LinuxG0d> not recieve it yet
[07:10] <thoreauputic> dazed, read the man ;)  There are quite a few opptions
[07:10] <wjesusaxl> help me with this..
[07:10] <wjesusaxl> Makefile.inc:94: *** KERNELPATH must be defined.
[07:10] <thoreauputic> options
[07:10] <Xenguy> LinuxG0d: free as in beer, and free as in speech :-)
[07:10] <dazed> man fluxter ?
[07:10] <dazed> duhh dazed
[07:10] <dazed> jeeze
[07:10] <LinuxG0d> lol
[07:11] <Xenguy> LinuxG0d: it should get there
[07:11] <dazed> nope didnt work i was wrong lol
[07:11] <LinuxG0d> Xenguy, r u sure its on tehir way
[07:11] <LinuxG0d> ?
[07:11] <LinuxG0d> *their
[07:11] <dazed> where is da man?
[07:11] <Quarupt> I really wanna fic this
[07:11] <thoreauputic> dazed, hmm no man page here ,  sorry
[07:11] <Quarupt> im getting angry
[07:11] <dazed> damn
[07:11] <Xenguy> LinuxG0d: they got (t)here for me -- twice :-)
[07:11] <dazed> ill go read one on line
[07:12] <thoreauputic> dazed, there are docs on the web though
[07:12] <LinuxG0d> lol Xenguy
[07:12] <LinuxG0d> yestreday was a bad day my filesystem crash and one of my server is under ddos
[07:13] <Xenguy> Quarupt: try -> apt-get install gtk-gnutella  <-- my best advice
[07:13] <Quarupt> howcome when i use Create Launcher to make an icon it doesnt do anything?
[07:13] <sam23> hey guys, I downloaded and extracted clearlooks 0.3 and tried to compile it but it complained about not being able to find GTK-2.0.pc
[07:13] <thoreauputic> dazed, you should have a fluxterbb file or similar
[07:13] <Quarupt> yea right Limewire blows gtk-gnutella away
[07:14] <sam23> and I already have a bunch of GTK-2.0 packages isntalled, it said about changing the enviroment path but I don't know where GTK-2.0.pc would be on Ubuntu
[07:14] <Xenguy> Quarupt: I find I get what I want - have fun
[07:14] <dazed> where woudl it be?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> dazed, fluxter,bb in ~/,fluxbox
[07:14] <Quarupt> howcome when i use Create Launcher to make an icon it doesnt do anything?
[07:15] <Xenguy> Quarupt: because you repeat - that's why
[07:15] <Xenguy> bye
[07:15] <dazed> not in there
[07:15] <Booyakasha> I've got a bit of a problem. I guess my onboard sound is enabled in the bios but I've got a sblive plugged in i'd rather use. It picks up both but defaults to the onboard sound. Is there any easy way to pick the pci card instead?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> dazed, well do a "locate fluxter" !
[07:16] <thoreauputic> dazed, sheesh
[07:16] <stuNNed> Booyakasha: can you go into your bios and disable onboard sound?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> dazed, you installed it, right?
[07:16] <dazed> lol didnt know i coudl do that
[07:16] <dazed> i got the package
[07:16] <thoreauputic> hehe
[07:16] <dazed> and i used mc to install
[07:16] <sam23> So...No one knows how to build ClearLooks 0.3?
[07:16] <Quarupt> It doesnt m ake sence works when i call it from a console bu not when i click it with a file browser or when i use "run application?
[07:16] <Booyakasha> You think that would do it stuNNEd?
[07:17] <stuNNed> yes
[07:17] <farruinn> thoreauputic: are you using flux from hoary?
[07:17] <Booyakasha> sam23.. hold on a sec, i just got a deb package off the forums somewhere
[07:17] <Booyakasha> I'll send you the link
[07:17] <sam23> Sure
[07:17] <dazed> oyakasha> sam23.. hold on a sec, i just got a deb package off the forums somewhere
[07:17] <thoreauputic> sam23: there are instructions on gnomelook.org I believe
[07:17] <stuNNed> Booyakasha: if that options is available...sometimes you need to dig in the bios settings..
[07:17] <dazed> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[07:17] <sam23> thoreaputic: The build fails
[07:17] <thoreauputic> farruinn: no, I rolled my own
[07:17] <Quarupt> and no one seems to want to help me
[07:17] <sam23> ./configure ?prefix=/usr && sudo make install
[07:18] <sam23> thats what i ran
[07:18] <farruinn> thoreauputic: what version?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> sam23: ah, OK - worked here
[07:18] <Booyakasha> http://programmer-art.org/files/themes/gtk2-engines-clearlooks_0.3_i386.deb
[07:18] <thoreauputic> farruinn: 0.9.12
[07:18] <farruinn> thoreauputic: I backported hoary
[07:18] <farruinn> 's
[07:18] <sam23> thoreauputic: Yeah it seems to have worked for most people
[07:18] <Booyakasha> just download that and dpkg -i gtk2blablah it
[07:18] <sam23> Ok Booya
[07:18] <sam23> thanks
[07:18] <thoreauputic> farruinn: is yours 0.9.11?
[07:18] <dazed> the 'loacte fluxter' didnt work
[07:19] <thoreauputic> locate
[07:19] <Booyakasha> stuNNed: thanks man. I really didn't think that would do it.. heh
[07:19] <dazed> yeah
[07:19] <thoreauputic> dazed: what happened?
[07:19] <farruinn> thoreauputic: 0.9.9-1
[07:19] <thoreauputic> farruinn: ah OK
[07:19] <dazed> thoreauputic: warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[07:19] <dazed> i tried sudo too
[07:19] <farruinn> thoreauputic: whatever happened to tabs?
[07:19] <farruinn> or maybe I'm too tired to look properly...
[07:20] <thoreauputic> dazed: run sudo updatedb first
[07:20] <dazed> farruinn the tabs are in the title bar now
[07:20] <dazed> just use middle click tomove
[07:20] <Quarupt> whats a better filemanager than Naut thats packaged?
[07:20] <Adrenal> i screwed over grub. Tried putting in a splash screen, but did something wrong, and now it won't boot. Is there any way i can restore grub to its default settings, or restore it?
[07:20] <Quarupt> i like the KDE one
[07:20] <dazed> thoreauputic: warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[07:21] <thoreauputic> dazed: it only says that the first time
[07:21] <farruinn> dazed: lol, wow - I did that and my window began shrinking
[07:21] <dazed> lol
[07:21] <thoreauputic> try again and let it run
[07:21] <thoreauputic> takes a while to finish
[07:21] <dazed> k its running
[07:21] <Adrenal> anyone, this is kinda urgent
[07:21] <farruinn> I had to middle click drag it out before it disappeared...
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:21] <Quarupt> how do ya spell Konquerer?
[07:21] <wjesusaxl> does anyone knos what the kernel path is?
[07:22] <wjesusaxl> conquerer
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> which is the best software for recving and sending faxes ?
[07:22] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: -or
[07:22] <calamari> anyone know of a download resuming tool?  I liked NetVampire on windows, but it doesn't work very well in wine :)
[07:22] <farruinn> calamari: curl for the cmd line
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> calamari: d4x
[07:22] <Quarupt> theres no Konqurer packaged for Ubuntu?
[07:22] <calamari> thanks :)
[07:22] <Adrenal> c'mon, anybody, please/
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> Quarupt: there is.
[07:23] <dazed> thoreauputic: ok...it found a bunch of fluxter files...the only fluxter.bb is in /examples...
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> which is the best software for recving and sending faxes ?
[07:24] <Quarupt> maybe im spelling it wrong?
[07:24] <Quarupt> da_bon_bon, whats the package name?
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> mayber
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dazed: OK well read that file - you will want to copy it to ~/.fluxbox/
[07:24] <Adrenal> anyone feel a shudder?
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> Quarupt: apt-cache search konqueror
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dazed: then you can edit ti
[07:24] <thoreauputic> it
[07:24] <farruinn> thoreauputic: did you debianize the source?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I just used checkinstall to make a .deb, that's all
[07:25] <thoreauputic> farruinn: it installed in /usr/local
[07:25] <farruinn> right
[07:25] <Quarupt> that brought up about 55 results?
[07:25] <farruinn> any major bugs?
[07:25] <farruinn> I mean, this shrinking windows thing makes flux pretty useless to me lol
[07:26] <dazed> copy just the fluxter.bb to .fluxbox?
[07:26] <farruinn> it's funny to watch though...
[07:26] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I haven't seen that one...
[07:27] <thoreauputic> dazed, try to find some docs - i can't tell you everything, sorry: and it's been a while since I did it
[07:27] <viper12> evening all.
[07:27] <dazed> i have looked for docs on the net...the main fluxter page is maybe .2kb site with 6 words on it
[07:27] <Quarupt> Anyone tried to use KDE3 in Ubuntu yet?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> farruinn: what makes your windows shrink?
[07:28] <farruinn> thoreauputic: tabbing them together
[07:28] <farruinn> two gnome-terminal windows anyway
[07:28] <thoreauputic> dazed: I seem to recall I found something linked from fluxbox.org
[07:28] <viper12> anyone else having 'clipping and odd pops/chirps from rythmbox since yesterday/today's big updates?  (xine and xmms don't have any issues with duplicate streams.)
[07:28] <dazed> ok thanks
[07:28] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I think the window shrinks to fit the one you tab it to
[07:29] <farruinn> thoreauputic: nope, this is definitely a window shrinking into oblivion =)
[07:29] <thoreauputic> farruinn: if you tab to a big window it "grows" ;)
[07:29] <thoreauputic> ah
[07:29] <viper12> quarupt......do a search on the ubuntu pages for KUbuntu.  (regarding kde.)
[07:29] <thoreauputic> farruinn: hmm - don't know then
[07:30] <Myrtti> good morning, world.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> the lovely Myrtti has arrived ;-)
[07:30] <copilot> anyone feel like walking me through a driver install?
[07:31] <tizen> How can I find the config that allows me to change my keyboard layout... It seems to have given me a french layout...
[07:31] <Myrtti> which driver
[07:31] <viper12> and 'good-evening' myrtti.  lol
[07:31] <copilot> webcam driver.  - http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php
[07:31] <Myrtti> on Gnome, system --> preferences --> keyboard
[07:32] <calamari> da_bon_bon: d4x is just what I was hoping for.. thanks again :)
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> calamari: it works on ur sys ? doesnt work for me! segfaults
[07:33] <calamari> yeah,. working great :)
[07:34] <viper12> anyone else having 'clipping and odd pops/chirps from rythmbox since yesterday/today's big updates?  (xine and xmms don't have any issues with duplicate streams.)
[07:37] <monoxide> viper12, i hate rythmbox anyway, dont use it
[07:37] <neighborlee> is there a tool that would allow you to see what memory is actually allocated in a process's address space?
[07:38] <stuNNed> viper12: yes
[07:38] <stuNNed> monoxide: what do you use may i ask
[07:38] <stuNNed> monoxide: ?
[07:38] <monoxide> stuNNed, xmms before it started segfaulting all the time, beep-media-player now
[07:39] <dazed> whats the syntax for un packing a tar.gz
[07:39] <stuNNed>  uses rb or muine, currenty muine
[07:39] <viper12> I don't find rythmbox that bad for cateloging on disk tunes......and I like to add shoutcast and various radio streams with it.......but....after the last couple updates, it isn't worth using again. (in warty...it was nigh impossible.)  I'm still scratching my head over its choice as a 'default' application.
[07:40] <Myrtti> I wish my XMMS would work
[07:40] <dazed> how do u unzip a tar.gz ??? using term
[07:40] <jesuel> tar -zxvf
[07:40] <Adrenal> my grub is dead, anybody wanna lend a hand?
[07:40] <viper12> xmms  problems myrtti?  mine works.
[07:40] <Myrtti> mine does nothing but flashes on the panel and then disappears
[07:41] <Echylo> Myrtti, launch xmms from terminal and check the errors
[07:41] <mattb> hmm, anyone know where ubuntu-calendar-march has got to?
[07:41] <viper12> That happened to me once last week myrtti, and I did a 'reinstall' from synaptic and no more issues. (could have gotten lucky but hey, it worked.)
[07:41] <Adrenal> anybody good at grub?
[07:42] <Myrtti> viper12: I've got to try that
[07:42] <Echylo> update-grub in terminal,
[07:42] <Echylo> ?
[07:42] <Echylo> or is that not a good way?
[07:42] <viper12> it ain't gonna hurt to myrtti. ;)
[07:42] <Myrtti> no matter, I haven't got the home-lan working, so I can't access my music files on my SO's Windows XP
[07:42] <Myrtti> I think he's got some problems on his computer
[07:43] <Myrtti> 'cause our Xbox can't access those files either
[07:43] <Adrenal> somebody help me, please?
[07:43] <viper12> dvd disc+ burn files and no more XP dependency issue. heh heh
[07:43] <Myrtti> Adrenal: what kind of help do you need?
[07:43] <farruinn> Myrtti: haveyou tried beep?
[07:43] <whiprush> mattb: I saw it on the hoary changes list, but I can't download it either.
[07:43] <viper12> I'm looking at Musik right now (web page), and it looks tempting.......but it also looks like an installation nightmare. :(
[07:43] <Myrtti> Adrenal: not that I can, but you haven't exactly given us any hints on how to help you
[07:43] <whiprush> maybe it failed to build or something
[07:44] <viper12> Adrenai, what is your 'grub' problem?
[07:44] <Myrtti> viper12: no DVD's, and no DVD-burners
[07:44] <viper12> :(
[07:44] <Myrtti> and besides, why have a gazillion copies of the same files
[07:44] <viper12> well.........several cds+cdburner? ;)
[07:45] <viper12> they're called..............backups?  he heh
[07:45] <brandon|dead> hello
[07:45] <Myrtti> I should prolly kick up our home server so the files could be put there again
[07:45] <Quarupt> is there an unstable version of Gaim that supports webcam
[07:45] <Adrenal> i tried installing a splash screen. I did something wrong, grub has now collapsed, stopping me from getting to either xp or ubuntu. Knoppix fails to work as well, it seems to be having troubles with my video card
[07:45] <Quarupt> i wanna webcam with my friend
[07:45] <Myrtti> viper12: haven't got stuff important enough to backup
[07:45] <Echylo> some1 knows a program to split mp3's? I have the cue file
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> Quarupt: called gaim-vv
[07:45] <viper12> myrtti........am/was teasing you.  ;)
[07:45] <Quarupt> its packaged!?
[07:46] <Quarupt> E: Couldn't find package gaim-vv
[07:46] <Quarupt> grrr
[07:46] <Echylo> no
[07:46] <brandon|dead> can anyone help me out with a problem with ubuntu i'm having?
[07:46] <viper12> have you thought about using gnome-meeting quarupt?
[07:46] <Echylo> you'll need to downoad it Quarupt
[07:46] <Quarupt> do i have to install it from source?
[07:46] <brandon|dead> i'm a newb to it... but have quite a bit of *nix exp
[07:46] <Echylo> check the site
[07:46] <Quarupt> wheres a url plz
[07:46] <Echylo> http://google.com
[07:46] <Quarupt> gaim.sourceforge.net
[07:46] <Echylo> brandon shoot your question
[07:46] <Quarupt> sourceforge.net/gaim maybe?
[07:46] <Echylo> quarupt
[07:46] <Echylo> type it in google
[07:47] <Quarupt> no
[07:47] <Echylo> first link
[07:47] <Echylo> then keep guessing
[07:47] <Quarupt> jut tell me that stupid URl its not that hard
[07:47] <brandon|dead> my mouse doesn't work, and it doesn't even show up in /proc/interrupts
[07:47] <jeff_> if i have a 750 mb file, how much compression would i get with .tar.gz
[07:47] <brandon|dead> it's a touchpad
[07:47] <Echylo> quarupt, I dunno
[07:47] <jeff_> what would it be ?
[07:47] <Echylo> just search it
[07:47] <Echylo> or you won't have it
[07:47] <brandon|dead> i cannot find info saying exactly what type of touchpad
[07:47] <brandon|dead> anywhere
[07:47] <thor|food> Quarupt: if you won't bother googling, why should others do it for you?
[07:48] <brandon|dead> (this is probably .5 the problem)
[07:48] <viper12> brandon.......have you loaded the synaptic touchpad drivers? (laptop i'm assuming.)
[07:48] <brandon|dead> viper12: with modprobe?
[07:48] <crimsun> brandon|dead: what laptop?
[07:48] <Echylo> exactly thor
[07:48] <Echylo> oow thoreauputic
[07:48] <Echylo> :p
[07:48] <brandon|dead> crimsun: it's a toshiba satellite
[07:48] <brandon|dead> S2112
[07:48] <viper12> brandon......why would you need modprobe to load a driver that's in the packages in synaptic/apt-get??
[07:48] <stuNNed> crimsun: opened a bug regarding muine
[07:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: #?
[07:49] <stuNNed> crimsun: 7124
[07:49] <brandon|dead> viper12: you said load.... i associate apt-get with install, sorry
[07:49] <brandon|dead> yes, i installed them
[07:49] <viper12> lol  sorry brandon.
[07:49] <brandon|dead> viper12: i'm used to debian ;)
[07:50] <viper12> The only thing I can think of is that in bios you had/have the touchpad turned off? Or perhaps was turned off when you installed ubuntu?  If the touchpad is 'on'....it oughta be seen.
[07:50] <brandon|dead> viper12: well... it works in windows XP, and it works with a knoppix live-cd
[07:51] <brandon|dead> and there isn't a way to turn it on off in the bios that i can find
[07:51] <brandon|dead> i already looked
[07:52] <viper12> was just checking...some vendors allow that to be 'off'.  my own compaq x1000 has a button to turn the thing off if I want.  Have you checked device manager (gnome) to see if the hardware is seen?
[07:52] <brandon|dead> hmm... i wonder if the tpconfig package will help
[07:52] <stuNNed> crimsun: is it possible muine is having a buffer overflow due to libmuine.so.so not being able to be found?  why it's looking for that i have no clue.
[07:52] <brandon|dead> viper12: no, i haven't
[07:52] <brandon|dead> i just looked in /proc/interrupts
[07:52] <crimsun> stuNNed: buffer overflow? highly doubtful.
[07:53] <stuNNed> crimsun: just a wild guess, how can i provide more debugging info?  gdb tells nothing.
[07:53] <viper12> if gnome's device manager sees it, then just go to the snyaptic package manager and do a search for synaptic and or touchpad and see if the driver is loaded.
[07:53] <crimsun> brandon|dead: some laptop manufacturers have a bios setting that uses "legacy mouse" or "easy setup mode"
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:53] <crimsun> brandon|dead: if you see anything similar in your bios, disable it
[07:53] <brandon|dead> crimsun: ok, i'll reboot and check that
[07:53] <brandon|dead> i just did tpconfig -x
[07:53] <crimsun> stuNNed: did you set the MONO_DEBUG env var to a nonzero value?
[07:53] <brandon|dead> and it said
[07:54] <viper12> crimsun...thats what I was getting at when I asked him about the bios settings..........ya said it bettern' me. :)
[07:54] <brandon|dead> no synaptic or ALPS touchpad found
[07:54] <brandon|dead> k, i'm gonna reboot and try the bios again, brb
[07:54] <brandon|dead> ty, i'll be back
[07:54] <stuNNed> crimsun: only thing i set was MONO_LOG_LEVEL=debug, what do you recommend setting it to? like 3?
[07:54] <viper12> the device manager in gnome  System> Admin> device manager.  GUI representation of all hardware detected
[07:54] <stuNNed> crimsun: export MONO_DEBUG=3 should work?
[07:55] <stuNNed> crimsun: or 5 or something
[07:55] <viper12> Brandon shouldn't be having that kinda' problem with the Satellite......kinda' odd, unless old bios or something. (used to use one of those and never had touchpad problems.
[07:55] <stuNNed> crimsun: if i go into gconf settings and change monitored folder to something else it pops back working
[07:57] <crimsun> what are the characteristics of files in the folder that makes muine crash?
[07:58] <stuNNed> maybe illegal character strings in name or possible mp3gain did something squirrely?  loads fine in rb
[07:58] <brandon|dead> back
[07:58] <crimsun> well, both rhythmbox and muine use gst as the backend now
[07:59] <crimsun> so it shouldn't be anything odd
[07:59] <brandon|dead> there was no mouse setting in the bios, but while i was in there i disable things i didn't need, legacy-usb, and parallel port
[07:59] <brandon|dead> and now it works
[07:59] <brandon|dead> i'm not 100% sure which setting fixed it... or why it would relate, except possibly the parellel port because you assign it an IRQ manually, but it wasn't set to 12
[08:00] <Echy|School> yaaay
[08:00] <brandon|dead> i appreciate the help
[08:00] <brandon|dead> if anyone wants me to figure out the exact setting for bug-hunting purposes... let me know
[08:00] <brandon|dead> and i'll get all the info i can
[08:01] <crimsun> brandon|dead: precisely what "legacy" option was it?
[08:01] <stuNNed> crimsun: last line in debug is Mono-INFO: DllImport loading location: 'libglib-2.0.so.0'. then it segfaults.
[08:01] <brandon|dead> crimsun: it just said "USB legacy support"
[08:01] <viper12> excellent brandon.  sounds like some sort of conflict in bios with those devices...have you thought about updating the bios? (sounds like it might need it.)
[08:01] <brandon|dead> viper12: well... it's a _brand_ new comp/model
[08:01] <crimsun> brandon|dead: that's the exact setting
[08:01] <brandon|dead> crimsun: ah
[08:01] <viper12> toshiba is pretty good about getting those updated, even to older models.....and those are the ones that NEED updating the most. heh heh
[08:02] <brandon|dead> well, ty crimsun ;)
[08:02] <brandon|dead> i appreciate the help
[08:02] <viper12> (the newer models that is. )
[08:02] <brandon|dead> viper12: i wouldn't call my 3G P4 an old model ;)
[08:02] <viper12> I appended my statement.  lol
[08:02] <brandon|dead> ah
[08:02] <Booyakasha> heh.. decided to use the onboard afterall
[08:03] <Booyakasha> sounds fine.. it's not like my value card is much better
[08:03] <viper12> The older models get rock solid and don't need much, but the bleeding new hardware seem to get new updates weekly.........hmmmm......sounds like hoary.  lol
[08:03] <Quarupt> man building that gaim-vv is a pain someone must have mad a damn bin somewhere
[08:03] <brandon|dead> viper12: aye, i'll have to check their website for updates
[08:03] <brandon|dead> weird that it worked in knoppix though
[08:04] <brandon|dead> without turning that setting off
[08:04] <brandon|dead> but then... knoppix froze
[08:04] <brandon|dead> so
[08:04] <brandon|dead> ...
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> Quarupt: google it, and if u find it, plz inform me
[08:04] <viper12> When I had my toshy, (a new one at the time.......I was updating the bios weekly for about 2 months after purchase.)...good support there.  Although now I wouldn't trade my compaq for anything.
[08:05] <brandon|dead> viper12: well, considering this was basically free
[08:05] <brandon|dead> i can't bitch
[08:05] <viper12> lol......uh.......nope.  :D
[08:05] <stuNNed> crimsun: could be one particular mp3 on my end, i'll try to isolate a bit more
[08:05] <brandon|dead> i had a VPR Matrix (generic best buy brand) and brought it back for hardware failures 8 times
[08:05] <Quarupt> da_bon_bon, you couldnt get a good build out of it either?
[08:05] <brandon|dead> eventually they just said, you have the cost of this laptop + $250 to spend on another laptop
[08:05] <stuNNed> crimsun: isolate *it* lol
[08:05] <brandon|dead> so i got this ;)
[08:05] <viper12> the only problems I had with toshys were the lcds.  I had three break in less than a year.  that got annoying.
[08:05] <brandon|dead> eek
[08:06] <brandon|dead> yea, that would annoy me
[08:06] <Quarupt> Is there any stable messenger out there that has support for webcam?
[08:06] <brandon|dead> i dunno, we'll see how this one is
[08:06] <viper12> yep....turns out that about three years ago.....they had issues with the clamshell connections..sigh.
[08:06] <brandon|dead> i dislike the monitor actually...it's one of those "bright screens", it looks nice except the massive glare
[08:07] <viper12> that's my FAVORITE part of the x1000 widescreen i've got.  the lcd is the nicest I've seen in a looong time.
[08:07] <brandon|dead> heh
[08:07] <brandon|dead> cool
[08:07] <Quarupt> maybe it would be easier to run msn messenger in WINE
[08:08] <viper12> that and ubuntu loaded on it and found everything first try. (warty AND hoary).
[08:08] <brandon|dead> well, this is my first exp with ubuntu
[08:08] <tizen> How do I edit the gnome menu? Or refresh it after installing programs?
[08:08] <crimsun> tizen: warty?
[08:08] <brandon|dead> i'm pretty happy with deb on my desktop but i wanted cd's to hand out to friends
[08:09] <viper12> define 'editing' tizen.
[08:09] <jesus\> any word on the probs with fglrx and xorg yet? The horribly slow redraw
[08:09] <brandon|dead> and figured i should at least have tried the distro before giving it to them ;)
[08:09] <viper12> well considering that ubuntu IS deb...........;)
[08:09] <Quarupt> by chance does anyone know where netmeeting is in an xp install, im trying to pint my friend at it
[08:09] <brandon|dead> viper12: yea
[08:09] <Quarupt> point
[08:09] <crimsun> tizen: if you're using warty, applications:///
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: on hoary ?
[08:10] <brandon|dead> i knew going in that it would be gnome-cenric but i was a bit suprised i couldn't find any other wm's with apt-get
[08:10] <jesus\> Quarupt:  I guess Accesoiries -> communication or entertainment
[08:10] <Quarupt> ya
[08:10] <Quarupt> thats a good guess
[08:10] <viper12> one of the main reason I tried it (besides gnome)......I liked deb, but not the convoluted way it was installed....and the woody release was creaky (update-wise.)
[08:10] <Quarupt> thx
[08:10] <somebuddy> hmm are some of the debian repository mirrors down? i am unable to get some media codecs through apt-get
[08:11] <brandon|dead> viper12: yea... woody is creaky (thats a good way to describe it), i run sarge on my desktop
[08:11] <crimsun> somebuddy: "debian repositories"?
[08:11] <viper12> brandon.....there are lots of wm's with apt............you just have to enable the universe/multiverse i the sources.list.
[08:11] <tizen> crimsun: I'm using hoary
[08:11] <brandon|dead> viper12: o.O
[08:11] <brandon|dead> ok
[08:11] <monoxide> somebuddy, warty or hoary?
[08:11] <crimsun> tizen: then you'll have to edit .desktop files
[08:11] <tizen> k, thanks
[08:11] <monoxide> somebuddy, hoary ignores the debian sources for some reason
[08:11] <viper12> lol brandon. once you enable those two...........there will be more packages that you can shake sticks at.  lol
[08:11] <somebuddy> ahhh
[08:12] <brandon|dead> oh, yay! it has E
[08:12] <viper12> :D
[08:12] <Quarupt> Man , i have a cute girl i know who really wants to show me something on webcam but gaim has no webcam support and she cant find netmeeting
[08:12] <brandon|dead> hmmm... you just solved my main 2 bitches
[08:12] <Quarupt> AHHH
[08:12] <ells> have they officially released Hoary without all the bugs
[08:12] <somebuddy> uhh to be honest, im not sure if this is hoary, let me find the cd real quick
[08:12] <crimsun> ells: no. We've entered preview testing.
[08:12] <viper12> ells..........hoary's "stable" date is april.
[08:13] <monoxide> viper12, april is here ;)
[08:13] <ells> okay, cause the hoary upgrade is not very good
[08:13] <monoxide> oops
[08:13] <thoreauputic> somebuddy: cat /etc/issue
[08:13] <viper12> quarupt.........if its that desperate........get in car, drive to her place, and watch in 3-d.  lmao
[08:13] <crimsun> ells: array-6 is slated soon; try it when it is released
[08:13] <Quarupt> she is like 40 miles away
[08:13] <ells> cool, I would rather stay with something that works
[08:13] <action09> hi
[08:13] <viper12> 40 miles if she's that 'showful'....ain't that far. lmao x 10
[08:13] <jesuel> 40 miles is worth it
[08:14] <jesuel> :)
[08:14] <Quarupt> hrm, maybe theres a different messenger with webcam support one thats not as hard to build as gaim-vv
[08:14] <somebuddy> monoxide: no, im running warty, and its weird, the vast majority of packages install just fine through apt
[08:14] <somebuddy> but a few dont, they say the're missing dependencies
[08:14] <monoxide> 40 miles is what? 90 kilometers? not that far
[08:14] <viper12> quarupt........she can use msn messenger. (not windows messenger...there's  a difference.)  msn messenger 6 has the web cam stuff built in.
[08:14] <factotum> somebuddy: i get that with gftp
[08:14] <Quarupt> ya but i have class and work tomorrow
[08:14] <Quarupt> there must be a way
[08:14] <monoxide> somebuddy, well install the dependancies?
[08:15] <Quarupt> im gunna wine/msn messenger if i have too
[08:15] <jesus\> does anybody know how to use rhythmbox to play http://www.this.com/song.mp3 thrue commandline? Just appending the filename is _not_ working and I can't hind it using --help either
[08:15] <Quarupt> and of course wine wont download
[08:15] <Quarupt> man im having a bad day
[08:15] <dopez> Quarupt: search for mercury, its a java msn/yahoo client that can do video too, or let her run conf.exe and setup netmeeting
[08:15] <somebuddy> it gives me errors, like say i want to install gstreamer0.8-plugins, that package is fine, but a number of the dependencies are just missing
[08:16] <somebuddy> tells me they're unavailable
[08:16] <jesus\> Quarupt:  tell her to record it and mail it
[08:16] <Quarupt> mercury huh
[08:16] <Quarupt> ok
[08:16] <viper12> I wouldn't do it just yet jesus.........rythmbox is having serious clipping/chirping issues after the latest updates....I had to switch over to xine for streaming until they get it fixed.
[08:16] <somebuddy> which is why i was wondering if maybe the mirrors to the apt packages were down
[08:16] <jesus\> Quarupt:  when you're at it, tell her to send a copy to marnik@marnik.org :)
[08:16] <dopez> lol
[08:16] <monoxide> somebuddy, do you have the universe/multiverse sources enabled?
[08:16] <somebuddy> yes, all of them from the quickstart guide
[08:17] <somebuddy> and this is only a recent problem
[08:17] <somebuddy> a few weeks ago i set up ubuntu on another machine
[08:17] <somebuddy> and everything went fine
[08:17] <Quarupt> dopez, everywhere i find says its a win32 app not a java client
[08:17] <dopez> Quarupt: mercury.to , i havent tried it myself but they say video works on linux and windows
[08:17] <factotum> like most apt probs, give it a day or 2, usualy fixed if you give it time
[08:17] <somebuddy> thats what i figured
[08:18] <dopez> Quarupt: its probably easier to let her setup netmeeting and you install gnomemeeting, thats how i do it :)
[08:18] <viper12> and if its not fixed in a day or so......file the bug yourself.....or at least check bugzilla.....might already be listed as an issue.
[08:19] <Quarupt> dopez, she doesnt wanna DL or install anything
[08:20] <Quarupt> dopez, and the link for the linux version of mercury is broken
[08:20] <Quarupt> damn it
[08:20] <viper12> then quarupt is gonna have to just imagine what the show woulda' looked like. snicker.
[08:20] <Quarupt> only the bittorrent link works and im getting like 2k on it
[08:20] <Quarupt> I know what she looks like
[08:20] <jesuel> lol
[08:20] <dopez> Quarupt: if she runs xp she only has to run conf.exe and click a few times next, netmeeting is already included just hidden
[08:21] <underlord> how can i loop mount an iso from the commandline? "mount -o loop image.iso /media/loop0" responds with "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#"
[08:21] <crimsun> underlord: sudo modprobe loop
[08:21] <crimsun> underlord: then repeat your mount command
[08:21] <underlord> ahh ha!
[08:21] <underlord> ty
[08:22] <crimsun> does anyone use gtk-gnutella on hoary here?
[08:22] <viper12> sorry........an azureus head over here crimsun.
[08:22] <crimsun> np. Just need additional testers before upload.
[08:23] <viper12> I have private tracker membership, and azie's been getting me 400-800k downloads. happy camper
[08:23] <jesuel> nice viper
[08:23] <Quarupt> MAn why is the link busted for Mecury just for the linux one
[08:23] <SiliconViper> viper12, herm. I'm having a few issues with installing azureus via apt. It worked when I was on Debian, but doesn't on Ubuntu. Short of installing if manually, any suggestions?
[08:24] <viper12> The installation requires a coupla' steps.  there is a how-to in the ubuntu installation pages.  2 part install with the java jar and then az in that order.
[08:25] <SiliconViper> Thanks.
[08:25] <viper12> np.
[08:26] <jesus\> Quarupt:  it's murphy's law
[08:26] <viper12> I just wish that bitlord would port to the linux side. resource wise azureas is a pig.
[08:26] <Quarupt> man, everything that can go wrong will go wrong
[08:26] <Quarupt> she got netmeeting, but has no clue how to use it
[08:26] <Quarupt> okay
[08:26] <somebuddy> yeah it is viper
[08:26] <Quarupt> im gunna get gnome meeting
[08:26] <Quarupt> anyone know package name?
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: technically the law is "if there's two ways to do something, and one of them makes it work and one of them makes it go horribly wrong,  people will do the first"
[08:27] <somebuddy> quarapt gnomemeeting
[08:27] <Quarupt> thx
[08:27] <thoreauputic> the second?
[08:28] <viper12> me thinks bob just gave us an example of that statement.  heh heh
[08:28] <factotum> anyone by chance play neverwinter nights on thier ubuntu system? just wondering if it works well enough
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> haha yes
[08:28] <viper12> :D
[08:28] <SiliconViper> viper12, ah, that guide is what I would have done anyways. I was kind of hoping there was an easy way to do it, but 'tis okay./
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> viper12: precisely
[08:28] <SiliconViper> *-/
[08:29] <viper12> Silicon.......sorry man, there ain't an easier way....I tried....and then gave in and did the guide....nice part is you only do it once.  lol
[08:29] <viper12> lol bob
[08:29] <SiliconViper> viper12, oh, it's not *hard* to do, I just remember doing it on my Debian system, and it was as simple as an apt-get install azureus (after adding the repository).
[08:30] <SiliconViper> factotum, yeah, my neverwinter works beautifully.
[08:30] <viper12> to me viper.......hard vs. easy.....IS ap-get install vs. do 2-5 different things. ;)
[08:30] <Booyakasha> i noticed video is just a little bit choppy in totem-xine (in fullscreen). Should I install mplayer or is there something I can do to fix it?
[08:30] <Quarupt> I put her IP in Gnomemeeting and it says she is unreachable??????
[08:31] <maccorin> ok, now it's not seeing my soundcard
[08:31] <viper12> the chop lately booyak may be the xorg build (if you're in hoary).  there are some issues that are being looked at after the last coupla updates.
[08:31] <maccorin> argh...
[08:31] <maccorin> at least i know what kind of sound card it is this time
[08:31] <Booyakasha> ahhh thanks viper
[08:31] <Booyakasha> That would be it..
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: firewall maybe?
[08:31] <viper12> np booyak.......screen redraw and such took in the shorts with that new update.
[08:32] <Quarupt> crap she  is using sp2 prolly
[08:32] <Booyakasha> looks like it yeah.
[08:32] <viper12> 'upstream' is aware of the issues, so should be better sooner than later.
[08:32] <Quarupt> im not walking her through accepting my connection with sp2 i dun care if she is fucking anna kornankov
[08:32] <thoreauputic> haha
[08:32] <somebuddy> lol
[08:32] <jesuel> lol
[08:32] <Booyakasha> One more thing. My synaptic is a bit messed up. Sometimes when I go to install something, it will only download one file at a time.. so I have to cancel and re-apply until all the files are done
[08:33] <Booyakasha> is this a common problem?
[08:33] <viper12> if she was anna kornakova, I'd be in the car breaking the speed limit to see the show in 3-d.....school or no school......work or no work.
[08:33] <Quarupt> well mercury is at 40% at 3k
[08:33] <Quarupt> hrm..
[08:33] <maccorin> is there a reason alsamixer (and other alsa programs) would give me 'no such device' when the alsa modules _are_ loaded, including snd_ac97_codec and it's an AC97 card?
[08:33] <Quarupt> maybe my chances are better there
[08:33] <Booyakasha> prettythat's good news viper
[08:33] <maccorin> i'm thinking maybe i'm forgetting a step
[08:33] <Booyakasha> errr
[08:33] <Booyakasha> haha..
[08:34] <viper12> booyak.....saw a couple people mention some synaptic probs earlier....not quite the same, but I'd wait a day to see if that's fixed. (I've seen the synaptics get updated 4 days in a row this last week.)
[08:34] <maccorin> no ideas?
[08:35] <Booyakasha> cool. It's not a huge problem.. just a little bug that really doesn't bother me much. Thanks again
[08:35] <thoreauputic> there was a gftp issue in warty a couple of days ago with apt, I think
[08:35] <thoreauputic> wanted to remove it to do dist-upgrade
[08:36] <jesuel> uhg
[08:36] <jesuel> WoW is pissing me off
[08:36] <jesuel> stupid stupid evil game
[08:36] <viper12> macorrin......in the volume control.......if the device selected is the OSS you'll sometimes get problems as alsa would be listed as the 'other' device.  you might want to check that.
[08:37] <maccorin> viper12: you mean volume control in gnome?
[08:37] <viper12> yep
[08:37] <jesuel> how is everyone doing tonite :)
[08:37] <Quarupt> WERE CONNECTED
[08:37] <jesuel> good
[08:37] <jesuel> take a screenshot ;p
[08:37] <Myrtti> cold morning
[08:37] <maccorin> k, sorry... not used to actually _using_ all those nifty X utilities ;)
[08:37] <Myrtti> or not
[08:37] <viper12> and you're still chatting here quarupt? shakes head.
[08:37] <Booyakasha> heh.. what's wrong with WoW?
[08:37] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: do we get a running commentary?
[08:37] <Myrtti> just -12C's
[08:37] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[08:38] <Quarupt> lol
[08:38] <Quarupt> yea wtf
[08:38] <maccorin> viper12: the volume controller in gnome gives me a no device found error too
[08:38] <jesuel> Booyakasha, just some idiots ganking me
[08:38] <viper12> maccorin, warty or hoary?
[08:38] <maccorin> it shows up in lspci, it's an AC97.. warty
[08:38] <Booyakasha> heh yeah, getting ganked sucks
[08:38] <viper12> hmmm.  what did you change? anything recent?
[08:38] <crimsun> maccorin: cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:38] <maccorin> viper12: no
[08:38] <maccorin> i just installed
[08:38] <maccorin> and just got my mouse working ;)
[08:39] <maccorin> <----- brandon|dead
[08:39] <jesuel> Booyakasha, you play wow?
[08:39] <viper12> okay.....so clean in stall......have you done the synaptics update  yet?
[08:39] <jesus\> alsa device "default" is already in use by another program
[08:39] <jesus\> how do I fix that?
[08:39] <maccorin> crimsun: nothing, but the modules show up in lsmod
[08:39] <jesus\> there are no other progs running using sound
[08:39] <maccorin> viper12: uh, i just used apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:39] <maccorin> i assume that will do...
[08:39] <crimsun> jesus\: kill esd/polypaudio
[08:40] <viper12> uh...........macorrin...........you mean you WERE on warty and you did a dist-upgrade to hoary or what?
[08:40] <maccorin> um, i uncommented the universal in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:40] <maccorin> and i did
[08:40] <maccorin> apt-get update
[08:40] <maccorin> apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:41] <Booyakasha> jesuel: yup
[08:41] <alka_trash> hey all
[08:41] <viper12> have you rebooted since doing all of that macorrin?
[08:41] <maccorin> it's using the warty sources still
[08:41] <jesuel> Booyakasha, what server/faction/race/class?
[08:41] <maccorin> viper12: no
[08:41] <alka_trash> I wonder if the new 2.6.11 will be that much faster/snappier.
[08:41] <viper12> try that first........(sound especially the ac97 stuff can be awfully persnickety).
[08:41] <Quarupt> I gotta see for about 20 seconds
[08:42] <maccorin> k, brb
[08:42] <Quarupt> then ADNORMAL CALL TERMINATION
[08:42] <Quarupt> damn it all
[08:42] <jesuel> lol
[08:42] <Quarupt> she was topless
[08:42] <alka_trash> who
[08:42] <jesuel> maybe she turned it off ;p
[08:42] <Quarupt> maybe
[08:42] <viper12> ahhh the evil B.B syndrome for quarupt.  lmao x 10
[08:42] <Booyakasha> Stonespire, alliance, warrior(i'm a team player haha)
[08:42] <jesus\> thanks crimsun
[08:42] <Booyakasha> used to be on kil'jaeden
[08:42] <jesuel> level?
[08:42] <TomAraya> Hello. Just curious, but when I am running a music player, I can't hear any other sounds (like Gaim notification sounds) it seems like there is no polyphony for Ubuntu.. is there something I need to set?
[08:42] <Quarupt> oh well mercury is like 90%
[08:42] <Booyakasha> with an undead warlock. just got it up to 32 so nothing major
[08:43] <jesuel> my rogue is 60 troll on deathwing
[08:43] <Booyakasha> my lvl on stonespire is only 18.. but it just got reset so it's pretty average
[08:43] <Booyakasha> actually, it's new.. what am I talking about
[08:43] <jesuel> i also have a 16 ne hunter on silver moon
[08:43] <viper12> Tom, warty or hoary, and did it work before, or is this a new install?
[08:44] <Booyakasha> cool cool. Yeah my roommates made me buy the game.. it's fun stuff. I haven't played an online game in years
[08:44] <TomAraya> Warty, never worked.
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> guys, I love WoW too, but it's offtopic :)
[08:44] <SiliconViper> viper12, yep, that worked. Thanks for the tip.
[08:44] <Quarupt> hell yeah world of warcraft kicks ASS
[08:44] <Booyakasha> heh, sorry bob
[08:44] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: I noticed system sounds work when I'm using rhythmbox, but not xmms or beep
[08:45] <viper12> there are some hardware guides in the ubuntu forums about the warty issues......unless someone here has more intimate knowledge....I'm on hoary and can't remember all the ins/outs on the warty side.
[08:45] <Quarupt> 6 more minutes
[08:45] <viper12> and np Silicon, gld to help. :)
[08:45] <TomAraya> thoreauputic, it's not really a big deal, I was just wondering if there an easy fix.
[08:45] <thoreauputic> TomAraya: gstreamer issue? I don't know enough to tell
[08:45] <maccorin> viper12: still no devices
[08:45] <alka_trash> TomAraya: I know in beep that you can select the driver to use, double check that your using esd, or maybe trying another one like alsa
[08:46] <TomAraya> alka_trash: Thanks for the advice.
[08:46] <TomAraya> I'll try that.
[08:46] <alka_trash> TomAraya: no prob, let me know if this works
[08:47] <alka_trash> ls
[08:47] <alka_trash> oops
[08:47] <Quarupt> if this damn mercury doesnt work after downloading all 86 megs of it at 3K im gunna get so mad im gunna dual boot XP
[08:47] <Quarupt> I SWEAR ill do it!!
[08:47] <viper12> okay.......macc...........what exactly did you turn off in the bios again?
[08:47] <TomAraya> I'll have to grab beep first.
[08:47] <maccorin> viper12: just the legacy usb support, and parallel port
[08:47] <maccorin> nothing else
[08:48] <jesuel> Quarupt, heh
[08:48] <Quarupt> Nobody move or the Penguin gets it!!
[08:48] <viper12> and i'll brb in 2 minutes........nicotine withdrawal syndrome..........lemme think on that a sec. maccorin.  brb.
[08:48] <alka_trash> Quarupt: do you mean this one http://www.linux-xp.ru/
[08:48] <jesuel> keke :)
[08:48] <maccorin> viper12: i didn't have sound before then though i don't think either
[08:48] <viper12> nods.  brb.
[08:48] <maccorin> viper12: kk, i'm gonna go smoke to
[08:49] <Quarupt> alka_trash, no but that looks interesting
[08:49] <Quarupt> is it like Lindows?
[08:50] <jesuel> well, this new powersupply sure fixed my overheating problems lol
[08:50] <Quarupt> or Linsphere or whatever bill made em change there name too
[08:50] <jesuel> my poor system before the new powersupply was running around 80C
[08:50] <Quarupt> Oh i mean Sir Bill as of yesterday
[08:50] <Quarupt> did ya hear he was Knighted?
[08:50] <jesuel> oh god
[08:50] <somebuddy> ?
[08:50] <TomAraya> He actually isn't Sir Bill though.
[08:51] <TomAraya> As he isn't English.
[08:51] <Quarupt> i knoiw cause he isnt native UK
[08:51] <Quarupt> but still
[08:51] <jesuel> who cares... ;p
[08:51] <Quarupt> ALl HAil LINUS
[08:51] <TomAraya> KDB or something. Knights of something Britain
[08:51] <Quarupt> Hail
[08:51] <jesuel> he's a knight that goes NI!
[08:51] <jesuel> lol
[08:51] <thoreauputic> It continues the mediaeval tradition of honouring robber barons...
[08:51] <Quarupt> he can still put KDB on his business cards
[08:51] <maccorin> viper12: when you get back, i'm back just to let you know
[08:51] <smo> KBE .. Knight of the British Empire  (or what's left of it..)
[08:51] <Quarupt> KBE ya
[08:51] <factotum> SiliconViper: sorry for the late reply, but thanks!!
[08:52] <esher> http://www.sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/
[08:52] <viper12> back maccorin.  and yw factotum. :)
[08:52] <maccorin> hehe
[08:52] <factotum> SiliconViper: I tried it last in Slackware about a year ago, it worked alright but no sound and wierd random sprites poping up on anything that was "moving"
[08:52] <maccorin> viper12: i may have found a useful error message in dmesg
[08:52] <maccorin> i'm googling it now
[08:53] <maccorin> ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13
[08:53] <factotum> so that is good to know
[08:53] <viper12> Okay macc.....first thing.........open system/device manager.  scroll down that list...............to see if its listed.  2nd...what kernel are you using?
[08:53] <viper12> (the ac97).
[08:53] <maccorin> :exec -o uname -a
[08:53] <maccorin> oops
[08:53] <maccorin> Linux lappy 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:54] <jesuel>  oh god, Carly Fiorina may be going to world bank, ANOTHER company for her to screw up :(
[08:54] <maccorin> viper12: yes it's listed
[08:54] <viper12> okay, first thing.........update your kernel to the 686 version. (first thing I ALWAYS do.)
[08:54] <somebuddy> why would the world bank take her at this point?
[08:55] <maccorin> k, i was going to make a custom one soon anyways, should i just do that now?
[08:55] <jesuel> somebuddy, maybe they feel they need her personel and cost overruns, to screw their company up.
[08:55] <viper12> you don't really need to do a 'custom' kernel.  just synaptic and get the latest one...it will build all the stuff for you.
[08:56] <maccorin> viper12: yea... i know i don't need to but ... i always do anyways
[08:56] <viper12> lol.
[08:56] <somebuddy> meh, she butchered hp
[08:56] <maccorin> oh well, for now i'm just installing linux-686-smp
[08:56] <maccorin> (smp for the HT)
[08:56] <somebuddy> then again, i dont really like hp, so thats not so bad
[08:56] <viper12> yep.
[08:56] <jesuel> somebuddy, no kidding.
[08:56] <jesuel> and they paid her 45million bucks too
[08:56] <thoreauputic> viper12: do you find changing to i686 kernel makes a big difference (just curious)
[08:56] <maccorin> oh, it edits my menu.lst for me
[08:56] <maccorin> nice
[08:57] <maccorin> anyways.... new kernel boot, brb
[08:57] <viper12> yep.  its faster (optimized) for the newer chipsets (especially on the laptop side).....noticeably so.
[08:57] <thoreauputic> OK
[08:57] <alka_trash> somebuddy: HP, Dell, whoever it's really about the same, at least on the desktop market
[08:57] <viper12> On the hoary side, just moving to the 10-4 686 made TONS of difference to my laptop.
[08:57] <thoreauputic> might try it then, i haven't bothered so far...
[08:57] <Deschanel> Hello.. Last night I tried the Ubuntu (warty) LIVE CD and I have some problems.. The rebooting is fine, the commands are fine, Ubuntu runs fastly and then I got the problems. The screen flashes NON-STOP and it drives me crazy... And my 2nd problem is that the resolution is set to 800x600 and I can't set it up to 1024x768. Any help??
[08:57] <viper12> it won't kill anything thor.
[08:58] <thoreauputic> viper12: no, I realise that :)
[08:58] <somebuddy> alka: well true, but i have seen nothing but mass hardware failure from hp.  now this is ages ago, as I build my own systems now, but I shudder to think that people buy their desktops
[08:58] <viper12> the 386 is limited in how it looks at memory (for backward compatibility), and from the reading I've done, the 686 supports a wider variety of newer hardware..
[08:58] <somebuddy> im all for hp's mass investment in research though
[08:59] <Deschanel> anyone?:(
[08:59] <alka_trash> Deschanel: warty or hoary
[08:59] <TongMaster> anyone used Warty on a Compaq  armada m300?
[08:59] <Deschanel> warty!
[08:59] <viper12> and lol thoreau...I KNOW you know.......I keep forgetting to take off the 'tech-teachy/preachy' hat......... heh heh
[08:59] <alka_trash> what type of video card and monitor?
[08:59] <maccorin> Linux lappy 2.6.8.1-5-686-smp #1 SMP Sat Feb 12 01:22:34 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:59] <thoreauputic> viper12: well, this machine has a celeron 2Ghz cpu so I guess it's worth a try
[09:00] <maccorin> viper12: still no device
[09:00] <viper12> yeah I'd do it thoreau.
[09:00] <Deschanel> I don't know. How can I check that? I've got Gateway m305 laptop
[09:00] <alka_trash> Deschanel: just a sec
[09:00] <viper12> silly question here, but............maccorin, did you have xp on that machine prior.......and did the audio work then?
[09:00] <maccorin> viper12: yes, and yes
[09:00] <viper12> nods.
[09:00] <maccorin> both with xp home, and xp pro
[09:01] <viper12> okay......you listed the device as an ATI ac97 correct?
[09:01] <maccorin> correct
[09:01] <maccorin> ati IXP AC97
[09:01] <somebuddy> hmmm, 3am.  i think its time for shuteye
[09:01] <maccorin> dmesg shows the probe failed with error -13, i'm gonna look that up
[09:01] <viper12> i'm digging here, but wasn't there a parameter in the ATI settings for xorg that had something to do with sound?- putting that out for anyone.........gah.
[09:01] <Quarupt> Mecrury says it supports video confrencing but not webcam viewing...??????
[09:02] <viper12> and do that maccorin........there's something about that ati prefix thats nagging at me here.  I should know what that error is, but its a tip of the tongue thing. grrrr.
[09:02] <factotum> wierd question... anyone know of a way to adjust the gamma of the display?
[09:02] <maccorin> not finding it on google... i guess i'll just have to look in the kernel sources :/
[09:02] <maccorin> time to apt-get them
[09:03] <viper12> got the solution macc............and you may not like it.
[09:03] <maccorin> uh oh
[09:04] <maccorin> what?
[09:04] <maccorin> if you say return the laptop... i'm gonna kick you
[09:04] <thoreauputic> factotum: xgamma
[09:04] <factotum> thoreauputic: thanks
[09:04] <viper12> and thoreau............here's a kernel 'issue' for the 686 for ya.  The ATI ac97.......REQUIRES  at LEAST the 2.6.10-686 kernel.
[09:04] <thoreauputic> factotum: according to the man page it adjusts gamma
[09:04] <viper12> so..............to get that particular p.o.s. sound to work............you've gotta update to the hoary release.
[09:05] <maccorin> viper12: oh, so i just need to build a new kernel
[09:05] <maccorin> not a problem
[09:05] <factotum> oh, is it in the x man, or its own man page?
[09:05] <maccorin> viper12: hows about... i just run 2.6.10 on werty ;)
[09:05] <thoreauputic> viper12: heh - well luckily my compis a couple of years old ;)
[09:05] <factotum> found it nevermind
[09:05] <viper12> I'm not sure  maccorin........that would be outside of 'stable' warty......and I ain't saying it wouldn't work just fine......but.........you could try it.
[09:05] <thoreauputic> man xgamma
[09:06] <jesuel> eh, linux hasnt been too nice to my laptop either, I have a emachine m6805
[09:06] <viper12> I'm running hoary, and luv it, but it IS a testing environment at this point...........
[09:06] <maccorin> viper12: i haven't run a default kernel for more then 2 days (except on servers, and some FBSD machines) in 5 years
[09:06] <maccorin> i think it'll work
[09:06] <jesuel> It does not want to cooperate with linux very well.
[09:07] <viper12> yep...........well according to the stuff I just checked the ATI ac97 variant is supported with 2.6.10.  :)
[09:07] <thoreauputic> factotum: BTW I'd never heard of it - I just did a "locate gamma" *grin*
[09:07] <maccorin> viper12: where did you get that info?
[09:07] <maccorin> the kernel changelogs?
[09:07] <factotum> thoreauputic: pppfftt, sure rub it in
[09:07] <viper12> hang on.......it was an ubuntu post area...just sec.:
[09:07] <factotum> point taken
[09:07] <thoreauputic> factotum: hehe
[09:07] <viper12> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-10520.html
[09:08] <thoreauputic> factotum: sorry ... :'(
[09:08] <viper12> the problem is similar.......and the user reposted the 'fix' about 1/2 down the page of posts.
[09:08] <StoffBox-Steve> good Morging :)
[09:08] <factotum> thoreauputic: no no, its fine
[09:08] <factotum> thoreauputic: i should have thought of it myself
[09:09] <maccorin> viper12: ah
[09:09] <maccorin> well... i'll try 2.6.11
[09:09] <maccorin> and give you a report
[09:09] <factotum> im a bit rusty so its a good refresher
[09:09] <viper12> lmao........i was going to say..........I've been tempted to check out 11 since I read about it........would like to hear how that works.
[09:09] <factotum> i ran slackware for about 2 years, didnt touch a computer for about 8 months and here i am again kinda starting over
[09:10] <maccorin> i installed .11 on deb today
[09:10] <thoreauputic> factotum: welcome back :)
[09:10] <maccorin> no probs yet
[09:10] <factotum> thoreauputic: well thank you :D
[09:10] <viper12> :)
[09:10] <factotum> i didnt think i was going to get by without windows, but so far so good
[09:11] <maccorin> factotum: the only thing windows is useful for.. is work that requires it ;)
[09:11] <maccorin> even then it's usefullnes is marginal
[09:11] <factotum> exactly
[09:11] <viper12> I don't miss M$ at all.......haven't even booted it in over a week. (for updating quicken. lol.)
[09:12] <StoffBox-Steve> and when you love the " oh i klick here and here and oh well here " ... oh no what happend ? << when you love that windows is still good chose :D
[09:12] <factotum> yea the only reason i had win running where for apps that i never paid for so i figured why bother
[09:13] <viper12> lol.  The ONLY app I can't replace yet is quicken, as the linux side doens't have the online banking support I need.......but wine solves that............woot!
[09:13] <viper12> :D
[09:13] <factotum> cool cool
[09:14] <thoreauputic> I still have Xp here for a scanner that won't run in linux - but I don't really know why I haven't ditched the scanner (it's a cheapy)
[09:15] <maccorin> viper12: i dunno if it has online banking... actually i do, it doesn't, but gnucash can export to quicken files
[09:15] <maccorin> and is very nice
[09:15] <viper12> I lucked out in the scanning department..........my epson rx500 all in one is supported via xsane AND the ppd's are all there in hoary.
[09:15] <factotum> i have a hp scanner, from what ive read so far it should work fine (crossing fingers)
[09:16] <thoreauputic> factotum: yeah, HP scanners seem well supported
[09:16] <factotum> their printers are a breeze too
[09:16] <viper12> maccorin...I chatted with the gnucash devs the other day......and although they can import QIF (banking files), they don't have the capabiltiy to connect with a bank for transparent updating...and won't as they don't have the resources for it.
[09:17] <viper12> the hp support in linux is first rate factot..........as is epson........the only really not 'fun' printers are canon and lexmark.
[09:17] <factotum> yea, i have a canon s600...its a pain
[09:17] <trust> Hi there!
[09:17] <maccorin> viper12: ah
[09:17] <maccorin> viper12: ea... i said i didn't think it did online banking for you
[09:17] <maccorin> but i knew it could do qif files
[09:18] <maccorin> wasn't sure if that was enough for you
[09:18] <viper12> yep.  I'm trying to get my dad's lexmark z605 working....lex has a driver, but its proprietary for cups......going to 'see' tomorrow...oughta be interesting.
[09:18] <maccorin> i use gnucash to run my buisness and i'm quite happy with it
[09:18] <viper12> Yeah, I'm spoiled by online banking though.....I haven't had to reconcile an account in more than 4 years because of it......and I don't want to go 'backward'.......if you know what i mean.
[09:19] <factotum> eesh, especially after 4 years
[09:19] <maccorin> yea
[09:20] <viper12> yep.  the bank download/compare to account is like 'heaven' for me.  auto-magic reconcile on the fly is da-bomb'.
[09:21] <viper12> I was really surprise to find that the linux side (meaning open source) has so FEW alternatives to quicken.  hell compared to Intuit,,,,,,,,, microsoft doesn't have a clue to the word 'monopoly'. lmao
[09:22] <factotum> another odd question, is there a way that i can do desktop wheel switching like in fluxbox, in gnome? or should I go ask in #gnome?
[09:22] <factotum> meanwhile, Ill hit google :>
[09:22] <thoreauputic> factotum: one reason I like fluxbox, too
[09:22] <thoreauputic> factotum: I don't think gnome can do it
[09:22] <viper12> factot......sorry, i've always run gnome or kde........what do you mean by 'wheel switching'? brain fart over here.
[09:23] <factotum> spin the wheel changes desktops
[09:23] <factotum> in a nutshell
[09:23] <viper12> lmao.......brain unfarted right before you said that.  that would drive me bonkers........I'm always fiddling with the wheel when not in a wheelable window........I'd probably get sick. lol
[09:24] <thoreauputic> you can also shove windows from one workspace to another in fluxbox by dragging them
[09:24] <factotum> thoreauputic: lol
[09:24] <thoreauputic> factotum: true - nice feature ! :)
[09:24] <factotum> supposedly its possible in 2.9.x
[09:24] <factotum> no explanation though
[09:25] <factotum> thoreauputic: yea, i love it
[09:25] <factotum> hmmph, not much in google either, its alright, I'll live
[09:26] <thoreauputic> gnome is OK - but flux can look just as nice if you run gnome-settings-daemon, and I find it has features I prefer like the above
[09:27] <thoreauputic> people think it's spartan, but I don't find it so
[09:27] <factotum> gnome-settings-daemon you say? hmmmm..
[09:27] <johnnybezak> factotum: thats what i do
[09:27] <thoreauputic> factotum: yes, you just add an if statement in .xsession for it and have it start
[09:28] <johnnybezak> just put gnome-settings-daemon in .xsession
[09:28] <johnnybezak> then you can just set your wallpaper etc. with gnome tools
[09:28] <factotum> oh wow
[09:28] <maccorin> viper12: does ubuntu depend on devfs or anything?
[09:29] <viper12> back.
[09:29] <maccorin> :WHO
[09:29] <maccorin> oops
[09:29] <maccorin> :who
[09:29] <factotum> err.. I dont seem to have an .xsession file, should I just create one?
[09:29] <maccorin> argh, hate that commands start with /
[09:29] <maccorin> gotta fix that
[09:29] <maccorin> there we go ;)
[09:30] <johnnybezak> factotum: yep
[09:30] <viper12> what's the prob maccor?
[09:30] <factotum> alright
[09:30] <thoreauputic> factotum: yes, you put a .xsession in your home dir
[09:30] <maccorin> viper12: nothing i just need to make a startup file for my irc client that makes sane settings
[09:30] <maccorin> viper12: but i did have a question
[09:30] <jesus\> argh fglrx and xorg are having serious issues
[09:30] <jesus\> this redraw is awfull
[09:30] <maccorin> is there anything that ubuntu depends on in the kernel i should know about
[09:30] <factotum> and just add that gnome-settings-daemon line?
[09:30] <maccorin> (like... devfs for instance)
[09:31] <jesus\> i can't even scroll my webpage smoothly on a P4 1.8 with a radeon 8500, but I do get 2000FPS in glxgears
[09:31] <Adrenal> ok, i formatted
[09:31] <johnnybezak> factotum: my .xsession file "gnome-settings-daemon & torsmo & fluxbox" (with a carriage return after each command)
[09:31] <trust> jesus\, heh
[09:31] <factotum> alright
[09:31] <KingTana> can someone help me with setting up my dial up connection please?
[09:31] <viper12> ubuntu is debian based, but its in the SID branch, so as far as any real dpendencies, not sure.......but if you're customizing the kernel, you know how to add the modules you need anyway.
[09:32] <viper12> jes make sure you keep grub with the older versions.  heh heh
[09:32] <Adrenal> now, during the format, xorg asked me some questions about res. Evidently, i answered wrong, as now the highest res i can get is 1024. Now could someone please tell me how to fix this before i shoot myself in the foot?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> KingTana: possibly
[09:32] <maccorin> viper12: true, i was mostly just making sure i don't need devfs
[09:32] <maccorin> but sid does not
[09:32] <factotum> alright, bbiab see what happens i guess
[09:32] <maccorin> so i'll assume ubuntu doesn't as well
[09:33] <Adrenal> oh come one, i've already lost everything, someone take pity on me
[09:33] <viper12> macc...you should be okay then. I'm not a kernel hacker type yet......just a tech for 20 years, which means I RTFM my guts out before getting into something new..........I just havne't neede to play kernel-hockey as ubuntu's packaging has been superb.
[09:33] <viper12> :)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> KingTana: OK what are the issues?
[09:33] <KingTana> thoreauputic:Ompault old me there are three basic questions i needed to answer to get any help at all
[09:34] <thoreauputic> which were?
[09:34] <maccorin> viper12: ah, i'm more of the do-it-yourself kind of guy, and there was a while where i got into hacking the kernel source
[09:34] <StoffBox-Steve> KingTana, DialUp work ?
[09:34] <KingTana> im going to type em
[09:34] <viper12> Adrenai......you can edit the xorg.conf file and add the higher rez in manually.......just make sure the refresh rates (hor and vert.) are correct for the monitor.
[09:34] <Adrenal> come on, i don't want to have to format again
[09:34] <maccorin> so, i learned my way around it pretty well
[09:34] <viper12> lol macc.
[09:34] <Adrenal> viper12: how?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> KingTana: one at a time I hope :)
[09:35] <factotum> well I notice right off that the fonts look better
[09:35] <KingTana> yah lol
[09:35] <viper12> you go to /etc/X11 and use gedit on the xorg.conf file.  scroll down to the monitor section..........you'll see the format of the rez and just add the ones you want (higher rez before lower rez.
[09:35] <KingTana> thoreauputic:(A)What is the result of "ls -al /dev/ttyS2"
[09:36] <viper12> there are examples of the xorg.conf and the xfree.conf files in the ubuntu howto's and forum howto sections.
[09:36] <KingTana> : and by inputting that into terminal , i got this back
[09:36] <thoreauputic> KingTana: and the answer is?
[09:36] <factotum> one thing, does it matter that im still using gdm for the .xsession file to work properly?
[09:36] <KingTana> "crw-rw----1 root dialout   4 , 66 2005-03-03 11:28 /dev/ttyS2
[09:37] <thoreauputic> factotum: choose system session
[09:37] <Adrenal> not working
[09:37] <Adrenal> oh ffs
[09:37] <viper12> ?
[09:37] <Adrenal> reformating
[09:37] <factotum> lol alright, try it again then I guess
[09:37] <factotum> brb
[09:37] <Adrenal> too pissed off already
[09:37] <thoreauputic> KingTana: and is your modem on ttyS2?
[09:37] <maccorin> jesus this thing compiles fast
[09:37] <KingTana> Yes
[09:38] <viper12> sigh.
[09:38] <KingTana> I have Voicemodem V90
[09:38] <KingTana> on COM3
[09:38] <maccorin> so, is there any plans for a sparc64 version of ubuntu?
[09:38] <StoffBox-Steve> ahh i hope my neighbor get his ass out of his bed, i what you setup my Samba
[09:38] <StoffBox-Steve> you = to ^^
[09:38] <thoreauputic> KingTana: and are you a member of the "dip" group? (type   groups to find out)
[09:38] <viper12> he's reformatting cuz he's pissed about missing rez and all he had to do was add em' back in to the file? gads....he needs to take a valium and sleep it off.
[09:39] <jesus\> I had 2000FPS with fglrx as driver, i updated my kernel and now I get 60 FPSn is there something else I should do/update?
[09:39] <KingTana> groups
[09:39] <KingTana> ?
[09:39] <trust> trust@ubuntu:~ $ glxgears
[09:39] <trust> Segmentation fault
[09:39] <trust> =((
[09:39] <monoxide> trust, welcome to my world
[09:39] <thoreauputic> KingTana: just the word  groups
[09:39] <StoffBox-Steve> i think he is thoreauputic he can you POM
[09:39] <KingTana> groups
[09:39] <trust> monoxide, =(
[09:39] <KingTana> like that?
[09:39] <StoffBox-Steve> jap KingTana
[09:40] <maccorin> yes, but in a terminal
[09:40] <jesus\> lol trust that's even worse :)
[09:40] <KingTana> ok
[09:40] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: ?
[09:40] <trust> I blame it on hoary =(
[09:40] <KingTana> its on duel boot with winXP , which im on now , so i'll have to write this stuff down
[09:40] <factotum> ummmmm...wow
[09:40] <thoreauputic> KingTana: basically this is how you can get dialup to work:
[09:41] <trust> I shall reboot
[09:41] <thoreauputic> KingTana: add yourself to the dip group
[09:41] <trust> I'm sure that might help after installing a new kernel...
[09:41] <StoffBox-Steve> i mean "pon" thoreauputic , KingTana has the prob since a few days, and he must be in the group dip  why he can use "pon" :D
[09:41] <factotum> this is pretty cool
[09:41] <thoreauputic> KingTana: run sudo pppconfig in aterminal
[09:41] <KingTana> I ran pppconfig
[09:41] <KingTana> and set up a connection
[09:42] <thoreauputic> KingTana: then you shouldbe able to use pon and poff to connect/disconnect
[09:42] <KingTana> then i tried "pon:
[09:42] <viper12> eyes be fried..............bed..........must.........go........to.......bed.........g'nite you crazy folks...catch ya later. :)
[09:42] <KingTana> "pon"
[09:42] <KingTana> and
[09:42] <KingTana> it just jumped down to a line
[09:42] <StoffBox-Steve> bye viper12 gN
[09:42] <KingTana> like this
[09:42] <KingTana> >
[09:42] <thoreauputic> KingTana: and it didn't dial, right?
[09:42] <KingTana> right
[09:43] <thoreauputic> KingTana: is this a hardware modem (external) ?
[09:43] <KingTana> no
[09:44] <KingTana> my modem is internal
[09:44] <thoreauputic> KingTana: if it's a software modem (winmodem), you need to pay a visit to linmodems.org
[09:44] <thoreauputic> and see if it's supported in linux
[09:45] <KingTana> Ompaul said that voicemodem v90 was supported by linux
[09:45] <thoreauputic> KingTana: OK - did you find a driver for it?
[09:45] <StoffBox-Steve> its an standart Modem :)
[09:46] <KingTana> No , i wasn't sure what to do
[09:46] <thoreauputic> KingTana: or did ompaul say it was a hardware modem that didn't need a driver?
[09:46] <KingTana> he said i would have to find a driver
[09:46] <thoreauputic> I suggest you look at linmodems.org then
[09:47] <trust> ok, well that really didn't help
[09:47] <thoreauputic> KingTana: do you know the chipset?
[09:48] <KingTana> No , how do i find out
[09:48] <thoreauputic> KingTana: when you get back to your linux install, try running lspci to see what it says about the modem
[09:49] <KingTana> *downloading scanModem*
[09:49] <thoreauputic> that's   lspci    in a terminal
[09:50] <thoreauputic> KingTana: for instance I have a lucent modem which is supported ( don't use it tough as I have a hardware modem anyway)
[09:50] <thoreauputic> *though
[09:50] <KingTana> oh
[09:51] <StoffBox-Steve> loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool. my BigFatCat is fallen down of the monitor
[09:51] <`shane> anyone having problems with sound not working at all?
[09:51] <`shane> maybe after an upgrade?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> KingTana: if this isn't a laptop you will save yourself a lot of hassle by just buying an external hardware modem
[09:52] <StoffBox-Steve> AC97, sounds still working fine at all
[09:52] <`shane> I'm not really sure when the problem started, I just returned from Europe and have done an apt-get upgrade since
[09:52] <KingTana> Ok , and hmm i download scanModem , but its just a bunch of code
[09:53] <trust> bahbahbah!
[09:53] <maccorin> `shane: i have, with the ATI AC97 card
[09:53] <maccorin> but... it never worked for me
[09:53] <`shane> hmm
[09:53] <LinuxG0d> lol
[09:54] <maccorin> i'm installing a newer kernel that has support for it
[09:54] <maccorin> as we speak
[09:54] <`shane> I have your typical Soundblaster Live
[09:54] <maccorin> ah
[09:54] <maccorin> emu101k
[09:54] <trust> any idea how I can work out what's causing seg faults in glxgears, glxinfo and, more frighteningly, xmms =(
[09:54] <maccorin> or whatever
[09:54] <`shane> I don't even know where to start looking beyone all my volume controls :P
[09:54] <`shane> it works in my windows partition though so its not hardware
[09:54] <maccorin> `shane: lsmod, and look for emu101k
[09:54] <trust> `shane, hm
[09:55] <maccorin> at least i think that's the name of the module for SBLiv
[09:55] <trust> `shane, what sound card is this?
[09:55] <maccorin> *Live
[09:55] <`shane> ok
[09:55] <maccorin> trust: he said SB Live
[09:55] <trust> oh
[09:55] <trust> nm then
[09:56] <`shane> maybe my brother b0rked something while I was away, he does a lot of recording
[09:56] <trust> `shane, you got a tv card too?
[09:56] <`shane> no
[09:56] <trust> mmk
[09:57] <trust> my expertese with sound problems is exhausted =(
[09:57] <`shane> also, I love to upgrade everything blindly in Linux
[09:57] <trust> heh
[09:57] <trust> I did the same
[09:57] <`shane> thanks anyway =] 
[09:57] <maccorin> Shambler: so was it in 'lsmod' or not?
[09:57] <`shane> looking
[09:57] <trust> now I'm getting segmentation faults on may things
[09:57] <maccorin> errr... `shane i mean
[09:58] <maccorin> brb, i need to reboot my new shiny kernel
[09:58] <`shane> where do I find that? :P I found a binary file
[09:58] <`shane> <---newb
[09:58] <trust> `shane, what yer looking for?
[09:58] <`shane> lsmod
[09:59] <`shane> then emu101k I believe
[09:59] <trust> tried just running lsmod?
[09:59] <`shane> ahhhh
[09:59] <`shane> haha
[09:59] <`shane> love those program names
[09:59] <`shane> ;)
[09:59] <trust> heh
[09:59] <trust> shit
[09:59] <trust> I'm late
[09:59] <trust> (pardon the language)
[09:59] <shock> good morning
[10:00] <StoffBox-Steve> GoMos shock
[10:00] <factotum> yea theres the "pornview" image viewer, bitchx the list goes on and on
[10:00] <`shane> snd_emu10k1            80776  3
[10:01] <`shane> snd                    50660  12 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep
[10:02] <`shane> lots of other snd_* stuff
[10:03] <`shane> I'm not too worried about it, I'll re-install if I have to...at least it doesn't take long
[10:04] <techroit> hi
[10:04] <techroit> .
[10:06] <jesus\> grmbl
[10:06] <jesus\> fglrx doesn't like me
[10:11] <spliter> guys does anybody know where can I see the results on Ubunutu's "Website Look'n'Feel Competition"?
[10:11] <spliter> or maybe where can I ask about it
[10:12] <maccorin> well, i have sound now ;)
[10:13] <ftwig> anyone built a low latency kernel?
[10:13] <maccorin> to whomever it may concern: 2.6.11 works fine with werty
[10:13] <maccorin> ftwig: i assume your talking about that patch set that CCRMA or whatever put out a long time ago for 2.4
[10:13] <maccorin> most of those were included into 2.6
[10:13] <maccorin> anyways
[10:15] <ftwig> maccrin:will actualy a ll kernel on 2.6, was goint to use Con Kolivas patches.
[10:15] <maccorin> ah
[10:16] <ftwig> maccrin:cant quite work out whitch patch to use.   What is -ck1?
[10:16] <maccorin> i haven't much exp with ck sources
[10:17] <maccorin> sorry :(
[10:18] <maccorin> ftwig: what exactly are you going to be using this kernel for?
[10:19] <ftwig> maccrin:music production
[10:19] <maccorin> ah
[10:20] <jesus\> daniels:  are you there?
[10:20] <maccorin> use a fast filesystem, make your kernel preemptible, use the O(1) schedular, and make sure you record to a diff drive then you run the program on
[10:20] <maccorin> and you should be ok ;)
[10:22] <johnnybezak> anyone had any experience with settign locales i seem to have broken mine
[10:22] <johnnybezak> there doesnt appear to be any problems i just get annoying error message
[10:22] <johnnybezak> s
[10:25] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: such as?
[10:25] <koke> hi all
[10:25] <koke> anybody with tomboy problems??
[10:26] <thoreauputic> tomboys always cause problems...
[10:26] <koke> :D
[10:26] <monoxide> lol
[10:26] <syltty> just compiled 2.6.11 for warty. everything runs fine except gcc compiler segfaults when i try to compile any program. Any ideas ?
[10:26] <monoxide> tomboys suck
[10:28] <ICU> koke: hmm problems ... well it simply doesn't work :P
[10:29] <ftwig> maccrin:I understand the fast file system bit but not the rest.  Was hoping to use a patch
[10:31] <thoreauputic> monoxide: haha - "how to be annoying on IRC" is the title of my upcoming book ... :D
[10:31] <koke> ICU: I meant that :)
[10:31] <monoxide> lol
[10:31] <johnnybezak> thoreauputic: when i do stuff like start ddclient i get something like this
[10:31] <koke> I've upgraded all the system but keeps crashing
[10:31] <johnnybezak> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[10:31] <johnnybezak> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[10:31] <johnnybezak>         LANGUAGE = "en_AU:en_GB:en_US:en",
[10:31] <johnnybezak>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[10:31] <johnnybezak>         LANG = "en_AU"
[10:31] <johnnybezak>     are supported and installed on your system.
[10:31] <johnnybezak> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[10:31] <monoxide> the title of my next book is "How to find people in IRC"
[10:31] <thoreauputic> aargh
[10:32] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: it's just telling you which possibilities it has tested
[10:32] <dand> hi! is there a standard process for creating a language mailing list?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> it's not an error
[10:33] <thoreauputic> monoxide: people? You expect to find people on IRC??
[10:33] <KingTana> thoreauputic:I typed in "groups" in terminal , and it returned "root" , then i typed in "lspci" in terminal , and it came back with alot of stuff , but i did see it said "Modem:Broadcom Corporation BCM4212 v.90 56k modem
[10:33] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: are you getting US spelling in spellcheck?
[10:33] <monoxide> rephrase: "How to connect a nick on IRC to a physical address in the real world"
[10:33] <monoxide> thoreauputic, not really.
[10:34] <thoreauputic> KingTana: you typed it as root
[10:34] <ftwig> maccrin:I'me in xconfig, how do I make the kernel preemtive?
[10:34] <KingTana> also , in "lspci" i seen "HostBridge:Intel Corp. 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset Hostbridge (rev 04)
[10:34] <thoreauputic> KingTana: that's not very informative when you are trying to find out which groups your user belongs to...
[10:35] <thoreauputic> but at least you have an ID for your modem now
[10:35] <KingTana> thats the only thing it returned
[10:35] <thoreauputic> KingTana: the only way the "groups" command can return "root" is if you type it as root
[10:35] <KingTana> oh
[10:35] <StoffBox-Steve> KingTana, it seems your modem is not supportet
[10:36] <KingTana> Ah , thankyou for letting me know
[10:36] <KingTana> I gotta find one now
[10:36] <KingTana> ;)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> good 'ol Broadcom strikes again...
[10:37] <KingTana> Thoreauputic: so if i get acer "external hardware modem" linux should recognize it , and i can get online easily by using the "pon/poff" commands , after i setup my connection?
[10:37] <StoffBox-Steve> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17052 KingTana take a look at this ForumPost it looklike as the same modem, put cat tell you it helps ...
[10:37] <thoreauputic> KingTana: it doesn't need to be "acer" - any hardware modem is fine in linux
[10:38] <KingTana> thoreauputic:yes i know , i was just stating one
[10:38] <thoreauputic> KingTana: and the thing to be sure of when setting up pppconfig is thet your user is in the "dialout" and "dip" groups
[10:38] <thoreauputic> KingTana: OK ;)
[10:39] <StoffBox-Steve> thoreauputic, :D routers are nice *hehe* Inet goes on and on, whatever your OS is :D
[10:39] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: yeah, my next investment will be ADSL and a router ;)
[10:40] <thoreauputic> 56K can be a real pain
[10:40] <KingTana> thoreauputic:I added a ppp user , in advanced settings after i got done with setting up the connection
[10:40] <SiliconViper> Herm... how would I get 'modconf' on Ubuntu? apt-get install modconf doesn't install it (package does not exist).
[10:40] <monoxide> thoreauputic, here here... im getting adsl soon
[10:41] <thoreauputic> KingTana: ? Why? Not necessary
[10:41] <StoffBox-Steve> have ADSl 2Mb/s and a small D-Link router, works fine for me and my neighbor .. and all the people that come form time to time .. just plug it and Inet ready :D
[10:41] <thoreauputic> KingTana: if your default user is in the groups I mentioned, dialup should work fine
[10:42] <KingTana> thoreauputic:so i need to go to "terminal" , not "root terminal" and type in "groups"
[10:42] <thoreauputic> KingTana: yes, right :)
[10:42] <KingTana> and make sure "tanner" (aka "user") comes up there
[10:42] <KingTana> tanner = my user name
[10:43] <thoreauputic> KingTana: well,  if you do it as "tanner" you will get a list of the groups tanner belongs to
[10:43] <StoffBox-Steve> just type groups and something like this come up > steve adm dialout cdrom floppy audio src video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[10:43] <thoreauputic> KingTana: to add tanner to dip , you do:
[10:44] <thoreauputic> sudo adduser tanner dip
[10:44] <thoreauputic> then log out and in again
[10:44] <KingTana> ok
[10:44] <KingTana> what about the dial out?
[10:45] <jesuel> Just curious, i have a tv card that i have to specify the card and tuner type with modprobe. I endup having to rmmod and adding the module manually every reboot. What  file do i need to specify my specific card in. So that it will work automatically @ reboot
[10:45] <thoreauputic> for some unknown reason the default user in warty isn't in the "dip" group by default
[10:45] <Lathiat> jesuel: you can just add it to /etc/modules
[10:45] <thoreauputic> KingTana: same syntax:  sudo adduser tanner dialout
[10:45] <StoffBox-Steve> im not on Dip by default thoreauputic, but not need to be :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: right, it's only needed for dialup
[10:46] <mete> hi
[10:46] <jesuel> Lathiat, that was easy ;-0
[10:47] <thoreauputic> the devs seem to have missed it - probably because none of them use dialup
[10:47] <mete> does anyone have experience with setup up the wlan stuff?
[10:47] <StoffBox-Steve> i think, its the way you install Ubuntu, i have DHCP so ubuntu know i dont need dip :)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: wrong. I'm on dialup and it didn't add me to "dip" - I knew, fortunately
[10:48] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: this has caused a lot of new people troubles
[10:49] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: I've actually spent hours with people in pm trying to get them connected
[10:50] <StoffBox-Steve> i thrust you thoreauputic :) for newbies its not easy to find that reason :)
[10:50] <thoreauputic> indeed
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hello hello
[10:51] <mete> how do I disable the load beep in the terminal, when I misstype something
[10:51] <thoreauputic> mete: in gnome terminal it's somewhere in the preferences
[10:52] <_axel> hi, im using xsane and its detecting my scanner and bla bla and i can use it properly, but it only works if i run it with sudo cause otherwise it says it cant find any devices... i checked and my regular user is in group 'scanner', so what am i doing wrong?
[10:52] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* my neightbor could her ass out of the bed .... i what to set up samba
[10:52] <_axel> i need to let my gf use xsane and im not going to give her root password!
[10:53] <thoreauputic> mete: edit>> current profile >> general >>terminal bell
[10:54] <mete> thanks a lot! it works.
[10:54] <KingTana> thoreauputic:Do all acer modems work for linux?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> KingTana: I have no idea, sorry
[10:55] <thoreauputic> KingTana: what you need is a harware modem - most external modems are fine
[10:55] <thoreauputic> *hardware
[10:55] <Nermal> acer modems barely work in windows 8|
[10:56] <StoffBox-Steve> KingTana, http://www.linuxhardware.net/
[10:56] <vix> hello
[10:56] <thoreauputic> KingTana: if it comes in a box and plugs in with a serial port, it will probably work
[10:56] <vix> how can i see mpg and other videos ?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Nermal: hmm - my old acer works very well
[10:56] <thoreauputic> for a 56k modem that is ;-)
[10:56] <vix> how can i see mpg and other videos ?
[10:57] <StoffBox-Steve> you need w32condes vix
[10:57] <vix> ok
[10:57] <plx> how can i prevent ubuntu from overwriting.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 and changing my Gtk1 settings? should i define it somewhere else?
[10:57] <Benjamin_L> is it just me, or is the hoary focus bug still unsolved ?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> plx: I think you need a gtkrc-mine file or something like that
[10:59] <thoreauputic> and an include statement
[10:59] <plx> ah, ok.. i'll try
[11:03] <Fran_Mnt> hola
[11:03] <plx> hm, the include command is there in my  .gtkrc but the gnome-settings-daemon keeps adding a "raleigh"-theme line..
[11:04] <niels_> I found a bug in the universe package, libsdl-erlang. Universe is not included in bugzilla, but one of the wiki pages told me to report to MOTU. Is there an official channel for making such repports?
[11:05] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: heh - can you turn that off ???
[11:05] <delltony> question can't tar.gz files be opened using winrar on a windows system? reason i ask i was gonna send my company a file tarballed in gz but they do not run linux
[11:06] <jsgotangco> i think winrar needs an add on for tarballs
[11:06] <delltony> jsgotangco, then what would you recommend ?
[11:06] <thoreauputic> delltony: why not just use zip? zip -r <directory> IIRC
[11:06] <plx> anyone using his ipod with rhythmbox?
[11:06] <StoffBox-Steve> sure, thoreauputic :) now it sould be off
[11:06] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:06] <StoffBox-Steve> jup is off :)
[11:07] <delltony> ok ill try that i've just got use to tarin :)
[11:07] <jsgotangco> hmmm i couldn't say...im not that much of a windows user anymore sorry
[11:07] <StoffBox-Steve> was an automatic option of the new xchat :D
[11:07] <thoreauputic> delltony: yeah, zip is the poor relation in linux :)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> delltony: check the recursive flag - I think it's -r
[11:08] <Alessio> who is a LocoTeamLeader in this room?
[11:08] <delltony> ok thanks ilm looking at the man page now
[11:08] <thoreauputic> k
[11:08] <vix> how can i see videos ?
[11:09] <shock> hm... is there a way to set nautlius backgrounds to transparent
[11:09] <thoreauputic> vix: read http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:09] <vix> thoreauputic, no time :|
[11:09] <vix> need it in 5 mins damn
[11:10] <thoreauputic> shock: not as far as I know
[11:10] <shock> too sad
[11:10] <shock> Guess I'll have to wait for the r300 project to get working dri for powerpc ati9600
[11:10] <shock> :P
[11:10] <scizzo> vix: videos?
[11:10] <shock> and use xcompmgr
[11:10] <scizzo> vix: what videos?
[11:10] <shock> :)
[11:10] <vix> scizzo, y
[11:10] <vix> scizzo, it's a dimostration
[11:11] <vix> scizzo, i need it fast...
[11:11] <delltony> hmm i guess this is working willf ind out when it is done zip -r * ~/files/my.zip
[11:11] <scizzo> vix: well saying "video" tells me only that you want to view a movie or something
[11:11] <scizzo> vix: what format? what video?
[11:11] <vix> scizzo,  mpg3
[11:12] <scizzo> vix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:12] <jsgotangco> oh array6 is out
[11:13] <scizzo> vix: that is the best page to get things going directly...
[11:13] <jsgotangco> that was fast
[11:14] <sleeper> un seg voy a buscarte lo del modem
[11:15] <sleeper> yo esque con modems tapoco tengo ninguna experiencia no me gustan mucho mejor los ethernet
[11:16] <scizzo> sleeper: #ubuntu-es I think is for spanish talking users
[11:16] <johnny> is there a way to tell the livecd to setup my res at 1680x1050?
[11:16] <johnny> the gnome resolution picker only has one res choice
[11:19] <KingTana> Thoreauputic : Do you think this would work http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44940&item=6747531382&rd=1
[11:21] <Lathiat> johnny: you need to add custom modelines for 1680x1050 atm, so on the livecd your probably a bit stuck
[11:21] <thoreauputic> KingTana: I expect so , yes
[11:21] <KingTana> thoreauputic: That's not a external one though is it :(
[11:21] <Lathiat> KingTana: you would have an easier time with an external hardware modem
[11:21] <Lathiat> KingTana: some internal ones work, but its much easier to get external ones going (that plug into serial port) because they 'just work', dont need special drivers etc
[11:22] <johnny> aha.. that is said.. hopefully someone will add it to the livecd sometime
[11:22] <johnny> thanks anyways..
[11:22] <Lathiat> johnny: file a bug
[11:22] <johnny> s/said/sad/
[11:22] <KingTana> Lathiat : Okay , thanks
[11:22] <Lathiat> im lucky, the modem in my laptop works fairly effortlessly
[11:23] <johnny> aha.. i really don't want to create an account.. i don't really have access to email atm
[11:23] <johnny> can you perhaps submit it for me?
[11:24] <KingTana> Lathiat: Do you mind if i /msg you?
[11:24] <coroner> has hoary been properly released or is it just a beta version?
[11:24] <Lathiat> coroner: its in development atm, due for release uh, i think its next month but i could be wrong
[11:24] <SiliconViper> Herm, would someone be so kind as to point me to documentation on setting up a webcam on ubuntu?
[11:25] <coroner> ahh thanks, i was just wondering as i downloaded ubuntu warty last night, and didnt see hoary there. only found out about it today while surfing around looking for stuff at work
[11:28] <Myrtti> are every rar and ace files I download broken, or is there something I don't know about unace and unrar?
[11:29] <scizzo> Myrtti: well there are 2 different unrar
[11:30] <scizzo> Myrtti: one that supports newer rar archives and one that is a bit old
[11:30] <Myrtti> and what do I have to do to get the new one
[11:30] <scizzo> Myrtti: the one that supports more thingys is located as non-free
[11:30] <Myrtti> though I need the ace-thing more now
[11:30] <scizzo> Myrtti: use the universe link
[11:31] <scizzo> Myrtti: sudo apt-get update ; apt-cache search unrar
[11:31] <scizzo> Myrtti: you should find the package there
[11:31] <Lathiat> you probably want 'unrar-nonfree'
[11:31] <Myrtti> I do have universe on my repositories
[11:31] <Lathiat> Ycros: so add it
[11:31] <Myrtti> I wonder why I can't seem to find that one
[11:31] <scizzo> hmmm
[11:31] <Lathiat> http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/SynapticHowTo
[11:32] <Teal`c> last time i tried a livecd (gnoppix i think it was,) i couldn't change the hostname or ip addy of the box without getting into some brain surgery techniques on the iso
[11:33] <jsgotangco> eh?
[11:33] <Teal`c> does the ubuntu live cd offer an easy way to change that stuff ?
[11:33] <Lathiat> Teal`c: yep
[11:33] <jsgotangco> livecds are supposed to be dhcp in the first place
[11:33] <Teal`c> well, i dont have dhcp going.. not sure why thats assumed
[11:33] <Lathiat> system->administration->network
[11:34] <jsgotangco> ahhh ic
[11:34] <Lathiat> Teal`c: they will DHCP by default, because that works for most people
[11:34] <Teal`c> Lathiat, but that has to be done each time it starts up right ?
[11:34] <Lathiat> of course
[11:34] <Lathiat> being a livecd, it doesnt store its configuration
[11:34] <Welly> Hey guys, how do I install a cursor theme which i've downloaded from gnome-look.org?
[11:34] <Welly> i've unzipped it to /usr/X11etc. etc.
[11:34] <Lathiat> i think theres some ability to save configuration on flash drives and stuff -- no idea how that works or if it will save network settings, etc
[11:35] <Teal`c> Lathiat, ya.. shrug, i was hoping for a little text file that could be edited..
[11:35] <Welly> and moved the index.theme to /etc/X11 etc. etc
[11:35] <Lathiat> Teal`c: you can do that too
[11:35] <Lathiat> Teal`c: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:35] <Lathiat> you usually have something along the lines of
[11:35] <Lathiat> auto eth0
[11:35] <Lathiat> iface eth0 inet static
[11:35] <Lathiat>   address x.x.x.x
[11:35] <Lathiat>   netmask x.x.x.x
[11:35] <Myrtti> but still no solution to the unace-problem...
[11:35] <Lathiat> and then /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:35] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[11:36] <Teal`c> Lathiat, i could edit that before burning the iso ?
[11:36] <Lathiat> umm
[11:36] <Lathiat> i guess so..
[11:36] <scizzo> Myrtti: I don't know anything about ace files actually maybe you can use the unrar-nonfree thingy for the ace files
[11:37] <Lathiat> it might be automatically generated and stuff
[11:37] <Lathiat> and if you regenerate the iso you'll lose th eboot sector stuff and whatnot
[11:37] <enver555> hi
[11:37] <Lathiat> im sure theres some way to do it, shrug
[11:37] <Lathiat> why not just setup DHCP?
[11:37] <enver555> i have a little problem with hoary and my ipw2100
[11:37] <enver555> the wifi card
[11:38] <enver555> detect wifi networks but doesn't have signal
[11:38] <enver555> of it
[11:39] <enver555> with the warty works perfectly
[11:40] <enver555> Someone can help me?
[11:42] <Nermal> enver555, I think there are some issues with ipw and hoary
[11:42] <Myrtti> ok, there seems to be a new version of unace around on winace's pages
[11:42] <Skid> hi, still having problem sgetting my wifi card recognised, tried wlan-ng and also ndiswrapper... anyone able to assist?
[11:42] <Myrtti> but I've totally forgot how to install the goddamn thing
[11:42] <enver555> yes , maybe
[11:42] <Skid> I've got some syslog out put now, which says its unsuppoted card - but lists the card name ?
[11:43] <mete> how do I make, that ubuntu finds my wlan device?
[11:43] <mete> do I need to install a driver?
[11:43] <Nermal> uh.
[11:43] <Nermal> depends on your wlan device ?
[11:43] <Nermal> it should find it automatically... what does iwconfig give you?
[11:44] <mete> I think it is a broadcom
[11:44] <Nermal> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[11:44] <mete> iwconfig shows:
[11:44] <mete> lo        no wireless extensions.
[11:44] <mete> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[11:44] <mete> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[11:44] <Skid> you won't get a broadcom working easily
[11:44] <Lathiat> mete: your only luck will be ndiswrapper
[11:44] <mete> but no wlan0
[11:44] <Skid> broadcom won't release a linux driver
[11:44] <Skid> I've got an adaptec ultra pcmcia card, which i can't get up either
[11:45] <Skid> tried for two days now, grr
[11:45] <mete> so without a driver, it is not possible?
[11:45] <monoxide> what are the chances i will get a linksys wlan card working on ubuntu?
[11:46] <Nermal> pretty high
[11:46] <Nermal> though it depends on the chipset
[11:46] <monoxide> mete, well without a driver there is nothing to talk to the hardware... ??
[11:46] <Nermal> mete, well the drivers are in the kernel
[11:46] <Nermal> normally...
[11:46] <Nermal> like I said.. whats your wlan device ?
[11:46] <mete> maybe as module?
[11:46] <Nermal> christ..
[11:46] <mete> broadcom
[11:46] <Nermal> then no
[11:47] <mete> ok.
[11:47] <Nermal> as Skid said
[11:47] <mete> thanks for the info
[11:47] <Nermal> unless you use ndiswrapper
[11:47] <Skid>  Nermal do you think I can get an adaptec ultra pcmcia wifi working? - I *think* it's prism2.5 chipset..
[11:47] <mete> ahh
[11:47] <mete> I just apt-got it
[11:47] <Skid> ndiswrapper -l says no hardware is installed
[11:47] <Nermal> :|
[11:47] <Lathiat> Skid: did you setup the driver?
[11:47] <Nermal> Skid, I guess... tried prism54.org ?
[11:48] <Nermal> Skid, join #prism54 ;)
[11:48] <Skid> Lathiat: I've tried the howto for ndiswrapper, output says nothing is installed; and I've looked on prism54 but I can't find any reference to the card
[11:48] <Skid> ah
[11:48] <StoffBox-Steve> how to deinstall samba-common files without deinstalling ubuntu_desktop ?
[11:48] <mete> so I download the .inf file for windows and use ndiswrapper -i blah.inf?
[11:48] <Lathiat> Skid: doesnt mean it wont work, the ndis drivers might be on your driver cd
[11:49] <Nermal> mete, and the driver
[11:49] <Nermal> ie: the .sys
[11:49] <Skid> Lathiat: I've used them off the cd
[11:49] <Skid> I'll show you the ouotput
[11:49] <Skid> Installed ndis drivers:
[11:49] <Skid> adpcnds hardware NOT present
[11:49] <Skid> that's using the .inf off the driver cd
[11:50] <Lathiat> you sure you got the right inf?
[11:50] <Nermal> Skid, :(
[11:50] <Lathiat> you could find some drivers online and try those
[11:50] <Skid> there's only 1 for win95 or winnt
[11:50] <Skid> windows normally uses the one on the root level
[11:50] <Skid> /cdrom
[11:50] <Lathiat> altho, lspci, and make sure it is actually there first :)
[11:50] <Skid> its pcmcia though
[11:50] <Lathiat> oh
[11:50] <Lathiat> i didnt know ndiswrapper did pcmcia cards
[11:51] <Skid> Mar  3 10:39:29 localhost cardmgr[3807] : unsupported card in socket 1
[11:51] <mete> thanks
[11:51] <Skid> Mar  3 10:39:29 localhost cardmgr[3807] :   product info: "Adaptec", "Wireles s PC Card V3.0", "", ""
[11:51] <Skid> Mar  3 10:39:29 localhost cardmgr[3807] :   manfid: 0x9005, 0x0021  function:  6 (network)
[11:51] <Skid> ^ is from syslog
[11:51] <Skid> when i remove and replug it back in
[11:52] <Skid> [10:49]  <Nermal> ie: the .sys <-- you have to load the driver too ?
[11:52] <Lathiat> Skid: apparently its a prism card
[11:52] <Skid> yeah
[11:52] <Myrtti> ok, there actually is a unace2.2 for Linux at winaces pages
[11:52] <Skid> 2.5 as far as I can tell
[11:52] <Lathiat> so you want th linux-wlan-ng stuff
[11:52] <Skid> I've installed it just now
[11:52] <Myrtti> and it works
[11:52] <Skid> but it doesn't seem to like it
[11:52] <Lathiat> http://linux_wless.passys.nl/
[11:52] <Lathiat> see if you can find the model in there
[11:53] <Lathiat> claims its supported
[11:54] <Skid> Adaptec  	802.11b  	AWN 8030  	PCMCIA  	Prism2/2.5/3  	linux-wlan-ng  	
[11:54] <Skid> 	Tx power 18.5 dBm; http://www.linux-wlan.org <- aye that's it
[11:54] <Lathiat> so should work fine with the linux-wlan.org stuff
[11:54] <Lathiat> no iodea hwo to get that going
[11:55] <Funraiser> all u need:http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[11:55] <Skid> its probably because im not too sure how to use wlan-ng yet ;)
[11:55] <Skid> do you think it's becase I installed it via apt?
[11:56] <Skid> and it might not of installed the prism drivers?
[11:57] <Skid> hmph, pcmcia is saying that its unsupported.. which is shwa tI don't get
[12:01] <mete> cu
[12:15] <pro> who here is in ZA?
[12:15] <mjcugley> I'm in Scotland...
[12:16] <pro> shame
[12:16] <pro> ;
[12:16] <pro> :p
[12:19] <Nermal> not really
[12:20] <mjcugley> Just installed Ubuntu...  Trying to get my two network cards to work.
[12:21] <mjcugley> I can have one working, but not the other...
[12:24] <pro> mjcugley, i have never used ubuntu, but lets see if i can give you a hand there
[12:24] <pro> type ifconfig -a
[12:24] <pro> see if you have eth0 and eth1
[12:25] <mjcugley> Yep, have them both.
[12:25] <pro> if you do, then its not a big then fo set them both up,
[12:25] <pro> ok, then open /etc/network/interfaces
[12:26] <pro> and i assume eth1 has no Inet addr: ?
[12:26] <mjcugley> eth1 is attatched to my cable modem and gets its IP address by DHCP - that works fine.
[12:26] <mjcugley> eth0 is attatched to my local network, and is set manually.
[12:27] <Lathiat> mjcugley: system -> administration -> networking
[12:27] <mjcugley> When they're both active, only my local network seems to work - I can't get any Internet connectivity.
[12:27] <Lathiat> just make sure you dont set a gateway in eth0
[12:27] <Lathiat> and select gateway for eth1 in the drop down list
[12:27] <Lathiat> and make sure theyre both set to activated
[12:27] <mjcugley> Ah, okay.  I couldn't seem to do that...  I'll have another go :)
[12:27] <pro> brb,
[12:27] <Lathiat> mjcugley: hoary or warty?
[12:28] <mjcugley> Can't remember - where will it tell me?
[12:30] <pro> mjcugley,  try cat /etc/issue
[12:30] <pro> thats a guess
[12:30] <mjcugley> How interesting - my mouse has just stopped working.
[12:30] <mjcugley> Oh, back again.  Strange.
[12:31] <mjcugley> Okay: I'm on Warty
[12:32] <pro> i need to get me a copy of ubuntu
[12:32] <bob2> pro: do you want to download it or have a cd sent to you?
[12:32] <mjcugley> Fantastic!  Taking out the gateway from eth0 worked!
[12:33] <Lathiat> mjcugley: :)
[12:33] <pro> i would prefer not to download it
[12:33] <mjcugley> Now all I have to do is set up internet connection sharing for my other PCs on the network :)
[12:33] <pro> im on a 128k line
[12:33] <Lathiat> mjcugley: install firestarter
[12:33] <Lathiat> mjcugley: firewall which includes support for setting that up
[12:33] <mjcugley> You can order the CDs, can't you?
[12:33] <mjcugley> Firestarter - cool.
[12:33] <pro> mjcugley, echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[12:33] <Lathiat> mjcugley: you can, no orders until the next release though
[12:34] <StoffBox-Steve> ahh Samba kill me, its works but i cant access any shared; not myown and not the shares on the WIn PC :S
[12:34] <gurran> i cant get winex to work =(
[12:34] <pro> and then iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
[12:34] <Lathiat> mjcugley: you can do it manually, but using firestarter would be more friendly and easier
[12:34] <mjcugley> I think I'll use firestarter :)  I managed to get it working under Debian before, but that was a while ago :)
[12:34] <Lathiat> its pretty easy
[12:34] <Lathiat> install it
[12:34] <Lathiat> run the gui app
[12:35] <Lathiat> set up the options you need )
[12:35] <Lathiat> :) rather
[12:35] <Lathiat> the sharing options are under the preferences
[12:35] <mjcugley> Darnit, apt-get can't seem to find packages anymore :(
[12:35] <Lathiat> keep in mind it has a fairly restrictive default firewall, and will probably break samba and stuff
[12:35] <Lathiat> mjcugley: have you enabled the universe repository?
[12:35] <mjcugley> Uh, not sure. Given I don't know what you're talking about, probably not :)
[12:36] <Lathiat> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[12:36] <Lathiat> most software packages are contained in the 'universe' repository
[12:37] <mete> ndiswrapper -l shows:
[12:37] <gurran> if u add represory is there adresses i need to set up manualy ?
[12:37] <mete> Installed ndis drivers:
[12:37] <mete> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[12:37] <mete> m
[12:37] <Lathiat> gurran: You just need to follow the instructions in the SynapticHowto link i pasted above
[12:37] <mete> but I cannot modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:38] <Lathiat> mete: what kernel are you running?
[12:38] <Lathiat> you probably need to install ndiswrapper-source and compile it, i dont thin kits being shipped yet (i think its planned but)
[12:38] <mete> Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:38] <gurran> ok thx
[12:38] <Lathiat> yeh, try ndiswrapper-source
[12:38] <Lathiat> i think theres a howto somewhere
[12:39] <mete> ok, I'll have a look for the howto
[12:40] <mjcugley> Okay, dl'ing Firestarter...
[12:40] <gurran> i found KDE in the synaptic program is it just to download and logout and login in the kde system if i install it ?
[12:40] <mjcugley> I'm a firestarter, twisted firestarter...
[12:41] <shock> lol
[12:44] <ep> Hey all.  I'm' using Hoary, on my HP notebook, having an issue with USB.  Doesn't seem to have any power running to it when system starts.
[12:44] <ep> So  no printer, no wireless mouse.  Any ideas?
[12:45] <ep> I'm doing a rather sizable upgrade now, but has anyone else dealt with this?
[12:47] <ep> Anyone?
[12:47] <delltony> anyone here ok with gimp? reason i ask how do you change the transition time of a animated gif? I know you set hte values to like 1000 but i can't find it anymore. I have 3 layers and i need to change the display time thanks
[12:48] <pro> tryed #gime?
[12:48] <pro> tryed #gimp?
[12:49] <Jento00001> is ubuntu any good?
[12:50] <pro> Jento00001, i would say it is
[12:50] <pro> although i have not yet seen it
[12:50] <ep> I have a high opinion of it.
[12:50] <pignu> it's smooth
[12:51] <Jento00001> good for newbs how easy is the installation because gentoo is hard..
[12:51] <ep> User friendly, and the community for help is very good, but it is solid and only on its first release
[12:51] <pro> i found out debian is the easy'st OS to install
[12:51] <pignu> gentoo is hardest you find, around, except LFS, i think
[12:51] <Jento00001> debian has too much downloads its a waste
[12:51] <pro> i left a woody CD in my moms PC and she booted off it
[12:51] <Jento00001> i dont know which flavour to pick as well
[12:51] <pignu> Jento00001: It's very easy..
[12:51] <ep> The Second seems to be making great stides to improve.
[12:52] <pignu> Jento00001: Best starting distro, I'd say
[12:52] <pignu> Ubuntu that is
[12:52] <coroner> well, i had to mission it in the rain on the motorbike to get a copy of ubuntu but its time to install this bad baby =)
[12:52] <pro> i arrived there to find she had installed debian woody on her pc, and bye bye XP and all her data
[12:52] <Jento00001> ok show me the site :P
[12:52] <pro> coroner, what bike?
[12:52] <Jento00001> lol
[12:52] <coroner> cbr250rr
[12:52] <pro> ok, i got a 2003 YZF600-R6
[12:52] <coroner> ohhh very nice
[12:52] <coroner> what country you from ?
[12:52] <Jento00001> can someone direct the site for ubuntu
[12:53] <pro> i also have a TZR250 (3ma-sp)
[12:53] <Jento00001> is the installation any easy?
[12:53] <pignu> www.ubuntu.org
[12:53] <pro> south africa
[12:53] <pignu> or no
[12:53] <pignu> hm
[12:53] <pignu> #topic
[12:53] <pignu> :)
[12:53] <pignu> ./topic
[12:53] <pignu> Jento00001: look in topic and you find it
[12:53] <pro> and a '98 ZXR400RR (L) its a track bike now,
[12:54] <ep> 2 great sites for first install are listed at top of chat.  ubuntuguide and ubuntuforum.  I'd check them out
[12:54] <ep> Great help for configuring and getting answers to questions.
[12:54] <pro> i polished the frame, swingarm and rims silver and then anadised them black, then sprayed the bike matt black and anadised all the little bits green
[12:56] <mz2> my network interface is not activated automatically at bootup
[12:56] <mz2> i need to go activate it from gnome network settings by hand every time
[12:57] <jorecom> Hi , I'm New ubuntu user , I've setup the OS , but how i can update it now?
[12:57] <Seveas> mz2 even when you tick "automatically ... when the computer starts"?
[12:57] <Seveas> jorecom, you can use synaptic for that
[12:57] <Seveas> jorecom, or apt-get if you are more familiar with commandline tools
[12:58] <mz2> Seveas, where's that tick?
[12:58] <mz2> am running hoary
[12:58] <Seveas> mz2, on the tab where you configure your ethernet card
[12:58] <Jento00001> what does pron stand for?
[12:58] <jorecom> Seveas, okay i will try , thanks
[12:58] <maLKoc> where is the libavcodec
[12:58] <maLKoc> i want install mplayer
[12:58] <maLKoc> but any lib error
[12:58] <Jento00001> and how many cds do i have to download
[12:59] <mz2> so i do System/Administration/Networking and from there Ethernet connection, Properties and tick the "is configured" or click on the Activate button
[01:00] <Seveas> maLKoc, it's in the marillat repository
[01:00] <jorecom> Seveas, i c everything is up2date :) but when i try ti setup the Yahoo! messenger that installation give me an error that says some of minumum versions of package are required
[01:00] <pignu> Jento00001: You could read on www.ubuntulinux.org website
[01:00] <Seveas> mz2, you select the card and click "properties"
[01:00] <Jento00001> guys what does Pron stand for
[01:00] <jesuel> ack, xawtv not working :(
[01:01] <Seveas> mz2, there you see the thing you should tick
[01:01] <pignu> in what sentence?
[01:01] <maLKoc> Seveas, ftp.nerim.net it's true,isn't it?
[01:01] <Seveas> maLKoc, yes
[01:01] <maLKoc> ok. thank you bro.
[01:01] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[01:01] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[01:01] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> Jento00001: check www.urbandictionary.com
[01:02] <maLKoc> i'am downloading all
[01:02] <maLKoc> ;)
[01:02] <Jento00001> i reacon im going to get them to send it to my door thats mad
[01:02] <mz2> Seveas, there's just a checkbox with the label "This device is configured", and a dropdown menu for the Configuration (DHCP/Static) and the ip address, subnet mask and gateway address textboxes
[01:03] <Seveas> ooh, then you need someone else to help you further, I'm running warty here
[01:03] <Seveas> sorry :|
[01:03] <mz2> do i have a wrong version of the configuration tool perhaps? is there some package whose dpkg-reconfigure i should do
[01:03] <mz2> ok
[01:03] <mz2> it just started doing this last week suddenly... used to work fine
[01:05] <BockBilbo> hello
[01:05] <BockBilbo> i have bought an external usb HD
[01:05] <BockBilbo> what should i do to use it in ubuntu??? just format it and then edit the fstab???
[01:06] <bob2> just plug it in
[01:06] <Seveas> BockBilbo, what do you want to use it for, main drive or just data storage?
[01:06] <bob2> it'll become a device, like /dev/uba, then you format it
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> er data storage
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> you don't use USB as main drive :)
[01:06] <BockBilbo> Seveas, just data storage
[01:06] <BockBilbo> im gonna use it for a webserver
[01:06] <mete> hm, I get:
[01:06] <lok> BockBilbo, to mount a usb storage device link with usb you can mount it by /dev/sda or /dev/uba
[01:06] <mete> ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:2286): loadndiswrapper failed (1536);check utils version mismatch
[01:07] <Seveas> then just plugin
[01:07] <BockBilbo> lok, and how do i format it?
[01:07] <mete> and:
[01:07] <bob2> BockBilbo: mkfs -t whatever /dev/uba1
[01:07] <mete> I just recompiled ndiswrapper 0.12 after the howto
[01:07] <bob2> where whatever is a filesystem name
[01:07] <bob2> if you don't know what to pick, use ext3
[01:07] <lok> with mkfs or use fdisk if you want to partion it
[01:07] <bob2> mete: you. don't. need. to. compile. ndiswrapper.
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> mete:bob2 knows, listen to what he says and you will go far.
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> also, you don't need to compile ndiswrapper
[01:09] <Xgates> hey this is funny I'm running the live cd, didnt know it would go online :-)
[01:09] <lok> mete, what is your arch ?
[01:09] <lok> lol Xgates
[01:09] <bob2> oh, fdisk is an important point, ofcourse
[01:09] <Xgates> does ubuntu have KDE in it, and what WM's does it have?
[01:09] <BockBilbo> mm
[01:09] <BockBilbo> lok, so its possible to make partitions on a usb disk???
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: I usually use parted for removable drives because they are usually in fat32, and parted will create > 20gb fat32 partitions
[01:09] <bob2> Xgates: available, but not supported
[01:09] <lok> Xgates, you can install every wm with apt-get
[01:10] <bob2> Xgates: by default it uses metacity (in gnome)
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> BockBilbo: a usb disk appears as a full normal hard disk
[01:10] <bob2> BockBilbo: sure
[01:10] <dand> anyone here using dnscache or an equivalent?
[01:10] <bob2> dand: I use bind9 as a cache
[01:10] <BockBilbo> and how do i mount them?
[01:10] <lok> BockBilbo, I've made 3 partition on mine yesterday :)
[01:10] <BockBilbo> sda1, sda2 etc?
[01:10] <lok> yes
[01:10] <Xgates> bob2, yea Gnome 2.8 looks ok, but Gnome is getting really crazy to develop
[01:10] <bob2> Xgates: hm?  I find glade a pleasure to use.
[01:10] <dand> bob2: and does it make you happy? :)
[01:11] <bob2> BockBilbo: you mount them as you would "normal" disks
[01:11] <Xgates> yea well compile all of Gnome from scratch and then Gnome apps for it
[01:11] <Xgates> hehe
[01:11] <BockBilbo> mmm
[01:11] <BockBilbo> let me try
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: yes, however ubuntu will automount them
[01:11] <bob2> dand: works pretty well
[01:11] <BockBilbo> so fdisk for formating, right?
[01:11] <bob2> HrdwrBoB: right
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> when you plug/unplug it
[01:11] <bob2> BockBilbo: fdisk makes partitions
[01:11] <BockBilbo> and making partitions
[01:11] <Xgates> ok who's going to hack into my live CD
[01:11] <calc> Xgates: same is true of kde
[01:11] <bob2> BockBilbo: mkfs "formats"
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> er BobkBilbo, not bob2 :)(
[01:11] <Xgates> lol
[01:11] <BockBilbo> bob2, does it also format?
[01:11] <dand> bob2: thanks, i'll give it a try - dnscache doesn't work for me...
[01:11] <bob2> (in unix-land formating is called "making a filesystem")
[01:12] <bob2> BockBilbo: no
[01:12] <bob2> dand: it does require you to configure it use forwarders, tho
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> BockBilbo: parted will make partitions and filesystems
[01:12] <bob2> dand: once you install it I'll paste the config fragment for you somewhere
[01:12] <pro> point ubuntu to the debian mirrors, i have a friend that says it works fine
[01:12] <calc> actually its probably easier to compile gnome than kde since you can use jhbuild
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> but it doesn't do ext3
[01:12] <mete> ok
[01:12] <bob2> Xgates: jhbuild or gargnome.
[01:12] <lok> BockBilbo, if you want to put some largefile on your hd you must take a look to the options of ext3's formating like largefile
[01:12] <Xgates> oh btw is there a online list to show all the packs that you can get with apt-get for ubuntu?
[01:12] <bob2> pro: please don't give people terrible advice like that
[01:12] <jorecom> mp3 is not supported in ubuntu :(
[01:13] <mete> my problem is just, that sudo modprobe ndiswrapper says invalid module format
[01:13] <dand> bob2: i'll do that. i should have started with bind in the first place, since i'm using it on some servers
[01:13] <bob2> lok: I'm pretty sure ext3 does larg files by default
[01:13] <bob2> jorecom: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:13] <lok> jorecom, mmh lame doesn't works?
[01:13] <Jento00001> guys where can i download the preview?
[01:13] <bob2> Jento00001: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/
[01:13] <lok> bob2, sorry I talked about the numbers of blocks per inode
[01:14] <Xgates> oh btw is there a online list to show all the packs that you can get with apt-get for ubuntu?
[01:14] <lok> I've little difficulties with english
[01:14] <BockBilbo> bob2 willl it matter if I format the usb HD from a different PC from the one that will use it?
[01:14] <coroner> BockBilbo no
[01:14] <bob2> Xgates: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/ubuntu_packages_powerpc.txt is a rough idea
[01:15] <bob2> I should update it again or something
[01:15] <Jento00001> what will the preview of ubuntu hoary show us/
[01:15] <bob2> BockBilbo: nope
[01:15] <Xgates> k
[01:15] <stephank> hmmm.. about two x.org xserver upgrades ago performance dropped significantly on my radeon 9700 pro using the default ati driver.
[01:15] <BockBilbo> and should i do it as root?
[01:15] <stephank> (in Hoary)
[01:15] <bob2> BockBilbo: or with sudo, yes
[01:16] <Xgates> well I'm a Slacker, and what is the reason most are running Ubuntu, like Debian with more power, features, etc..?
[01:16] <lok> Xgates, I'm an old slacker
[01:16] <Jento00001> does anyone know what the preview of the new hoary show us?
[01:16] <Xgates> I never really liked Debian, always putting way to much bloat into the system to get a pack
[01:16] <bob2> Jento00001: you need to explain your question better if you want an answer
[01:16] <lok> I use ubuntu or debian because of the fabulous apt-get tools
[01:16] <bob2> Xgates: er, for example?
[01:17] <Xgates> bob2, if you mean what I was saying about the bloat
[01:17] <Xgates> well
[01:17] <lok> and I prefere ubuntu to debian for the package upgrade
[01:17] <BockBilbo> what does this mean: =mkfs.ext2: bad blocks count - /dev/sda
[01:17] <BockBilbo> ?
[01:17] <Jento00001> bob2: whats the new hoary preeview for? what will it show us?
[01:17] <Xgates> many times with certain things in Deb it gives like way to much in dependant packs, sometimes some that where not really needed
[01:17] <bob2> Jento00001: eh? it's just the latest test cd for hoary.  it will show you what hoary looks like at the moment.
[01:18] <bob2> Xgates: for example?
[01:18] <Xgates> kinda hard to explain, but if you ran Debian for any length of time then you know what I mean
[01:18] <bob2> no
[01:18] <bob2> I've run Debian for 5 years and not seen this.
[01:18] <BockBilbo> bob2, lok, i had that error while doing "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda"
[01:18] <bob2> BockBilbo: are you sure that's the right device?
[01:19] <lok> BockBilbo, to make 1 filesystem you must specifie the number after sda
[01:19] <directhex|work> try making a partition
[01:19] <lok> /dev/sda1 ...
[01:19] <Xgates> bob2, so Ubuntu is pretty much a beefed up version of Debian?
[01:19] <bob2> Xgates: no
[01:19] <BockBilbo> bob2, im sure, yes
[01:19] <bob2> Xgates: it's Debian with saner defaults and a fixed release cycle
[01:19] <Skid> its more of an up to date desktop
[01:20] <Xgates> well I meant to say that
[01:20] <Skid> imo, debian should merge with unbuntu devs, and use unbuntu for its desktop FE
[01:20] <Xgates> a better Debian I should say
[01:20] <Xgates> hehe
[01:20] <bob2> not better, different
[01:21] <Xgates> yeah I noticed the Synaptic app
[01:21] <bob2> that's also in Debian
[01:21] <Xgates> kinda reminded me of the look of SuSe
[01:21] <Xgates> its been ages since I ran Deb, dont remeber that the last time I ran it
[01:23] <Xgates> oh like FreeBSD with a /ports direc does ubuntu have something like that as well you can then see all the available packs?
[01:23] <bob2> no
[01:23] <bob2> or apt-cache search ""
[01:23] <BockBilbo> lok, im trying to make
[01:23] <bob2> or the url I gave you earlier
[01:23] <Xgates> k
[01:23] <BockBilbo> partitions using fdiks
[01:23] <bob2> BockBilbo: I don't know what would give that error aside from using the wrong device
[01:23] <Xgates> yeah cache search same in Deb I remember that one :p
[01:23] <lok> how can I enable auto-complation for the apt-get ?
[01:24] <BockBilbo> it says that: Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)
[01:24] <BockBilbo> bob2, i think the HD is wrong partitioned
[01:24] <lok> BockBilbo, take a look with fdisk
[01:24] <lok> and verify the table
[01:25] <Xgates> ahh good ole streamtuner I see
[01:25] <Xgates> ;p
[01:25] <BockBilbo> lok, how do i verify that?... in fdisk asks me for a command
[01:25] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:25] <lok> type p
[01:26] <lok> and look a the numbers of the blocks of any partition
[01:26] <da_bon_bon> BockBilbo: trying to partition your drive ?
[01:26] <lok> da_bon_bon, he has a probleme when he try to format it
[01:27] <BockBilbo> da_bon_bon, trying to format it
[01:27] <da_bon_bon> lok: what kind of a problem ?
[01:27] <BockBilbo> lok it shows no partition
[01:27] <da_bon_bon> BockBilbo: what exactly is happening ?
[01:27] <Xgates> well this live cd I have to admit is running pretty damm smooth
[01:27] <Xgates> hehe
[01:27] <StartBuck> I seem to recall there being a package similar to "stow" that would instead create a .deb of the installed files....does anyone know what the name is of that package?
[01:27] <lok> BockBilbo, ok
[01:27] <lok> you just have to make one
[01:28] <Xgates> when I have sometime I'll slap in ubuntu and see how she goes
[01:28] <Xgates> THANKS guys
[01:28] <bob2> BockBilbo: use 'cfdisk /dev/sda'
[01:28] <BockBilbo> bob2, what does that?
[01:29] <lok> it's a menu for fdisk
[01:29] <awstott> cfdisk is the bomb
[01:29] <BockBilbo> cool
[01:29] <lok> it's easier to use than fdsk itself
[01:29] <bob2> BockBilbo: it's a less annoying version of disk
[01:29] <bob2> er, fdisk
[01:29] <BockBilbo> should i make more than 1 parition in a 160 Gb disk?
[01:30] <BockBilbo> like 3 or smthing like that?
[01:30] <lok> depend on what you want to do with your hd
[01:30] <bob2> if you're just stuffing data on it, there's little point splitting it
[01:30] <BockBilbo> lok, i just want to store webpages, mp3s, pictures and documents
[01:30] <BockBilbo> so just one partition
[01:30] <lok> then one is good
[01:30] <BockBilbo> primary or logical?
[01:30] <shock> I'd allways create one seperate partition for root and one for home
[01:30] <lok> primary i think
[01:30] <shock> just in case i bungle the system
[01:31] <bob2> BockBilbo: primary
[01:31] <shock> so I can reinstall without loosing my users data/config
[01:31] <lok> shock, before I do this too but it's anoying me after a long time when I cut paste files frome home to /
[01:32] <lok> like a kernel source or else
[01:32] <plx_> rhythmbox won't transfer files to the ipod. is it still read only?
[01:32] <lok> but I had a bad hd at this time ;)
[01:32] <shock> I think that would be a small price to pay
[01:32] <shock> :P
[01:32] <jesuel> Welp, i have no idea what hoary changed about my system. But now xawtv dont work :(
[01:32] <BockBilbo> lok, bob2 in the fs type, i should put Linux, right?
[01:33] <bob2> in cfdisk? yeah.
[01:33] <bob2> (tho it doesn't actually matter afaik)
[01:33] <lok> yes
[01:34] <lok> jesuel, are you sure that's xawtv and not your card or something else?
[01:34] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:34] <BockBilbo> ive configuret it and then selected write
[01:34] <BockBilbo> and write
[01:34] <BockBilbo> *wrote it
[01:34] <BockBilbo> after that, it said: WroNo primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this.e.                 Toggle bootable flag of the current partition
[01:34] <bob2> BockBilbo: that's fine
[01:35] <jesuel> lok: yes, it worked in warty
[01:35] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:35] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:35] <jesuel> lok: just did a dist-upgrade and now it no longer funcions
[01:35] <BockBilbo> so now i have the partition table alright
[01:35] <da_bon_bon> BockBilbo: is ur. partition table screwed up ?
[01:35] <BockBilbo> nope
[01:35] <jesuel> funny thing is, tvtime actually still works .
[01:35] <BockBilbo> im formating a new usb HD da_bon_bon
[01:35] <bob2> BockBilbo: right
[01:35] <jesuel> just xawtv is broken
[01:35] <da_bon_bon> ah, ok. else i was gonna tell u to use gpart
[01:36] <BockBilbo> bob2, lok , shold i format it right now?
[01:36] <lok> jesuel, try to remove it with apt-get and compile the source
[01:36] <BockBilbo> or is it already formated?
[01:36] <lok> format it
[01:36] <BockBilbo> should i do mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1 ?
[01:36] <lok> it hasn't a filesysteme
[01:36] <lok> yes
[01:36] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:36] <bob2> BockBilbo: right
[01:36] <jesuel> think that will be my project for tomorrow :)
[01:36] <delltony> question if your in array 5 and do a dist-upgrade will that upgrade you to array 6 or do you have to physically burn the iso of array 6 and install it?
[01:37] <shock> i usually use a windows compatible fs for usb storage devices
[01:37] <da_bon_bon> BockBilbo: try mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
[01:37] <BockBilbo> lok, bob2 it says that sda1 doesnt exist
[01:37] <BockBilbo> :|
[01:37] <shock> so I can plug it in @ winslow users computers and still access the data
[01:37] <bob2> delltony: the array releases have nothing to do with hoary itself
[01:37] <jesuel> awstott: I actually do sleep :)
[01:37] <bob2> delltony: they're just snapshots from when they were made
[01:37] <awstott> lol
[01:37] <jesuel> awstott: Im heading to bed right about now :)
[01:37] <awstott> doesn't feel like I slept...
[01:37] <lok> shock, on my windows I use e2fs apps to read but I can't write with :(
[01:37] <t31> anyone knows witch port uses apt-get?
[01:37] <awstott> wish I could
[01:38] <bob2> delltony: if you distupgrade any hoary machine now it will be at array 6
[01:38] <t31> hi :)
[01:38] <awstott> it's 5:40AM here
[01:38] <awstott> :(
[01:38] <bob2> BockBilbo: 'fdisk -l /dev/sda'
[01:38] <delltony> ok thats what i was asking thanks
[01:38] <awstott> had to make a tirp out ot the airport... been awake since 4 :(
[01:38] <jesuel> 4:40am here right now :)
[01:38] <bob2> t31: it just uses ftp/http
[01:38] <awstott> I got a full day of school too
[01:38] <shock> hm windows sucks anyways.... too many things take too much effort to get them how I like them
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> 6.15pm here
[01:39] <jesuel> verizon will be here @ 8 am to install my new router and cpe equipment. Then ill finish setting that up.
[01:39] <shock> lok @ to your linux partitions or to usb devices?
[01:39] <lok> both
[01:39] <jesuel> they get to trench from the road, all the way back 1300 foot to my house.
[01:39] <awstott> nice
[01:39] <BockBilbo> bob2 doing  that it shows the only partition of sda, which is named sda1.... but then
[01:39] <awstott> bet thats costing you a lot
[01:40] <jesuel> 0
[01:40] <BockBilbo> on my /dev directory i dont have a sda1 link to it
[01:40] <bob2> BockBilbo: unplug, replug
[01:40] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:40] <lok> BockBilbo, have you a /dev/sda ?
[01:40] <bob2> the kernel doesn't magically re-read partition tables, unfortunately
[01:40] <BockBilbo> lok, yes
[01:40] <jesuel> awstott: part of the fios install price
[01:40] <awstott> part of the what?
[01:40] <jesuel> free install, 99 /month 15mbit down/2 mbit upload 5 usable static ips :)
[01:40] <awstott> nice
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> why has firefox not been updated on hoary ?
[01:41] <jesuel> 30mbit down/5mbit up for 200, but i couldnt justify that
[01:41] <bob2> da_bon_bon: to what?
[01:41] <BockBilbo> bob2, by unpluggin and plugging it... gnome has detected the HD and mounted it on /media/usbdisk
[01:41] <bob2> hah, neat
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> bob2: 1.01
[01:42] <directhex|work> da_bon_bon, if you wanted up to date packages you'd run debian. ubuntu is ooooooold
[01:42] <bob2> da_bon_bon: and that came out how long ago?
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> directhex|work: not at all. ubuntu has xorg, and debian still uses xfree. :P
[01:42] <BockBilbo> and, on gnome-system-monitor the device is named like sda, not sda1
[01:42] <lok> jesuel, here 30 (euros ~= us dollars) /month   ... 20/mbits down  2 up   but one static ip
[01:42] <BockBilbo> should i format sda instead of sda1?
[01:42] <bob2> da_bon_bon: also, bear in mind hoary is in upstream-version-freeze
[01:42] <jesuel> lok: nice
[01:42] <bob2> BockBilbo: no, sda1
[01:42] <awstott> italy has fiber to like every house
[01:42] <BockBilbo> but the problem is that i dont have sda1!
[01:43] <directhex|work> da_bon_bon, sarcasm doesn't transfer over irc i see. but sid has 1.0.1
[01:43] <cef> is there an equivalent of packages.debian.org for ubuntu yet?
[01:43] <bob2> BockBilbo: still?
[01:43] <BockBilbo> oh
[01:43] <BockBilbo> its there!
[01:43] <BockBilbo> true
[01:43] <bob2> da_bon_bon: ie, hoary will not get new versions of random software anymore
[01:43] <jesuel> lok: where are you at anyhow?
[01:43] <BockBilbo> should i umount the hd and then format?
[01:43] <bob2> BockBilbo: the kernel rescanned it when you plugged it in again
[01:43] <bob2> BockBilbo: yes
[01:43] <mjcugley> Right, I'm off to play nethack.  Thanks for the help!
[01:43] <psi> hm. has anyone tried to create a java package from the jdk1.5 .bin-file, using make-jpkg?
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> bob2: oh, version freeze already done ? :(
[01:43] <psi> make-jpkg tells me "No matching plugin was found."
[01:43] <lok> the fai or the country?
[01:43] <paulsh> anyone know why latest hoarys run really sluggishly?
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> paulsh: mine dont.
[01:44] <selinium_> Hi all, i've got an interesting problem! Before changing to Hoary i backed up my webroot onto a USBdisc. Now if I look in the folder it just shows me the root of the USBdisc. I cant delete it or anything. Any ideas?
[01:44] <BockBilbo> bob2, its formating
[01:44] <BockBilbo> :D
[01:44] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes
[01:44] <bob2> da_bon_bon: it's a month until release
[01:44] <paulsh> da_bon_bon, performance for me has been awful the last day or so
[01:44] <awstott> i'd upgrade but my hoary is getting an IPV6 address.....
[01:44] <jesuel> lok: yeah country? Thats a good speed / price ratio
[01:44] <awstott> and i can't figure out why
[01:44] <lok> france
[01:44] <jesuel> Ah
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> bob2: oh screw! but after release there still will be hoary-updates right ?
[01:45] <jesuel> God im not tired, think ill consume caffiene
[01:45] <jesuel> just pull a allnighter! :)
[01:45] <awstott> damn i'm gonna be a zombie all day
[01:45] <awstott> maybe I bail on my afternoon clas today
[01:45] <jesuel> not me, once verizon gets onsite. Im gonna take a nappy
[01:45] <lok> I've only 2hours of sleep today (1:45 pm here)
[01:45] <awstott> its only on exchange....
[01:45] <jesuel> untill they need to come inside :)
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> awstott: if i bunk a class, i need to hold my ears and take 20 rounds in front of the complete class, and i am 17yers old! :)
[01:46] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no
[01:46] <bob2> da_bon_bon: security updates, yes, new versions, no
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> bob2: why no ?
[01:46] <jesuel> I wonder if they will freak when they see the nice 7foot tall rack with 14 pc's on it
[01:46] <jesuel> :)
[01:46] <bob2> I'm not sure why everyone has so much trouble understanding software releasing
[01:46] <awstott> nice...
[01:47] <jesuel> Sheesh, they are mostly testing systems
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> bob2: so, u mean to say, warty has never had any newer software after its release ? it still uses firefox 0.9.3 ?!!!!
[01:47] <jesuel> 2 of them are qnx development boxes
[01:47] <awstott> they prolly don't understand how it's setup
[01:47] <BockBilbo> i have 2 last questions...
[01:47] <jesuel> lol awstott
[01:47] <paulsh> so is anyone else getting poor performace from hoary? (slow redraws, menu lag etc etc)
[01:47] <BockBilbo> how do i chek if the partitioning has ben acomplished properly?
[01:47] <jesuel> I know the people they send out from verizon would get confused with my setup
[01:47] <awstott> well my linux boxes have seperate IPs....windows boxes are behind a router
[01:47] <pro> paulsh, could be your display card settings
[01:47] <jesuel> but my old isp in california, they would understand it.
[01:47] <bob2> da_bon_bon: of course
[01:47] <selinium_> da_bon_bon: no it doesn't!
[01:47] <bob2> da_bon_bon: this is how releases work
[01:47] <jesuel> awstott: same here
[01:48] <lok> BockBilbo, with the fsck apps
[01:48] <bob2> BockBilbo: try mounting it
[01:48] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:48] <BockBilbo> it works
[01:48] <paulsh> pro, i haven't changed anything. and it's using the ati binary drivers
[01:48] <BockBilbo> but i see a lost and found directory on it
[01:48] <lok> yeah better test to mount it :)
[01:48] <BockBilbo> is that normal?
[01:48] <bob2> BockBilbo: that's fine
[01:48] <bob2> as long as it's empty
[01:48] <BockBilbo> its empty
[01:48] <bob2> cool
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no, other distros like fedora always update software versions after release. and ff 1.0 to 1.01 is a security update
[01:48] <BockBilbo> and if i try to access to it as a normal user, nautilus gets closed
[01:48] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:49] <lok> paulsh, xorg use vesa by default with me
[01:49] <selinium_> da_bon_bon: I am on hoary with firefox 1.0
[01:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, but ubuntu doesn't want to break machines
[01:49] <BockBilbo> is that normal bob2 ?
[01:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: so they backport the fix from 1.0.1 to 0.9.3
[01:49] <bob2> BockBilbo: depends what the permissions are
[01:49] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:49] <lok> BockBilbo, modify your /etc/fstab
[01:49] <paulsh> lok, running fglrxinfo shows the ati drivers, and xorg.conf is using the "fglrx" driver
[01:49] <jesuel> dmz - 2 linux boxes outside that, private Wireless link 802.11g secured, public wireless link with very restrictive port settings and a 25 mbyte fap enabled on it, then private firewall for my windows boxen
[01:50] <BockBilbo> and the last queston is... why is that the filesystem is now just 156 GB instead of 160 ??
[01:50] <BockBilbo> is that because of using ext3?
[01:50] <Seveas> BockBilbo, THAT is normal
[01:50] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> bob2: aaawwww, screw! so i will /never/ get ff1.01 until grumpy ?!
[01:50] <trust> isn't it because the drive wasn't 160GB?
[01:50] <Seveas> because when the sell 160 GB they just sel 16000MB
[01:50] <Seveas> 160000
[01:50] <Seveas> which is 156 gb
[01:50] <BockBilbo> ohh
[01:50] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:51] <bob2> da_bon_bon: unless the hoary RM lets it in, not until hoary + 1
[01:51] <trust> cheapskates =(
[01:51] <bob2> da_bon_bon: does it actually change anything at all?
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> bob2: RM ?
[01:51] <bob2> BockBilbo: also, 5% is reserved for root's use
[01:51] <bob2> BockBilbo: you can reduce that percentage with 'tune2fs'
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> bob2: and whats hoary + 1 ?
[01:51] <selinium_> Can anyone help with my USBdisk problem?
[01:51] <cef> da_bon_bon: acutally fedora are finally stopping the whole 'new version' thing and instead backporting changes.. and RH do it on RHEL now
[01:51] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:51] <lok> BockBilbo, in your /etc/fstab you can add a line for /dev/sda1 and put a users option
[01:51] <Seveas> selinium_, what is the problem
[01:51] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I don't know
[01:51] <jesuel> lok: weirdness, compiled from scratch for xawtv 3.94 and still no workie
[01:51] <bob2> Seveas: not unles you ask...
[01:51] <jesuel> lok: WEIRD!
[01:51] <BockBilbo> now im gonna try using it on the other pc, in which i will modify fstab lok ;)
[01:52] <lok> jesper, very weird
[01:52] <cef> hoary + 1 = bendy isn't it?
[01:52] <lok> it's not grumpy?
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> cef: meaning ?
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i meant, whats RM ? and what hoary + 1 ?
[01:52] <selinium_> Seveas: I backed up my webroot to my USBdisk before upgrading to Hoary. Now the folder on the disk is unreadable and I cant delete it!
[01:52] <lok> you talk about the next realse namE?
[01:52] <cef> grumpy = like sid
[01:53] <Seveas> selinium_, usbdisk on fat32?
[01:53] <mlambie> firstly, how can i enable the Host Protected Area on bootup (this is a thinkpad restore partition) - warty worked fine and enabled it, hoary doesn't enable it and I get kernel errors intermittently as a result. or, how can i instlal the kernel from warty on hoary?
[01:53] <cef> hoary = next release, hoary + 1 = release after hoary
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> when will grumpy-testing be released ?
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> cef: thats grumpy.
[01:53] <lok> selinium_, in root to ?
[01:53] <cef> hoary + 1 will probably be bendy
[01:53] <bob2> da_bon_bon: rm = release manager
[01:53] <mlambie> da_bon_bon: I thought it was bendy badger?
[01:53] <selinium_> Seveas: I believe so... I just stick it in! Yep, in root too
[01:53] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I don't know what hoary + 1 is called
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[01:53] <cef> grumpy = like sid.. never released
[01:53] <jesuel>  hmmp. i guess ill just use tvtime. This *IS* hoary anyhow.
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> bob2: grumpy grandhog
[01:53] <bob2> cef: no
[01:54] <jesuel> maybe it will next array :)
[01:54] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I don't think so
[01:54] <Seveas> selinium_, and you probably unplugged it right after it said that the copy is finished?
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> cef: ok, when will grumpy array be up ?
[01:54] <lok> I don't understand the name and the function of all realses
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> bob2: why not ?
[01:54] <jesuel> lok: even weirder, xawtv did work with array-4
[01:54] <cef> bob2: hrm.. that's different to what I've heard on various lists, particularly since said convo's invovled mark.. ahh whatever
[01:54] <trust> Anybody know what might be causing a segmentation fault with glxgears?
[01:55] <jesuel> lok: its got to be something with a change from array-4 to 6
[01:55] <lok> weird weird weird
[01:55] <selinium_> Seveas: Possible. I've lost about two weeks work. But that isn't what is bugging me. I want the folder of the drive!
[01:55] <BockBilbo> lok, will this line be ok? = /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdisk    ext3   auto,user,exec,rw,uid=user    0    1 ?
[01:55] <jesuel> I think ill be going through changelogs
[01:55] <lok> maybe I can't say it
[01:55] <Seveas> selinium_, yeah not gonna happen
[01:55] <Seveas> data is probably lost
[01:55] <lok> BockBilbo, yes
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: any talks to suggest that grumpy name will be changed ?
[01:55] <Seveas> the linux kernel does not handle fat32 correctly
[01:56] <BockBilbo> yes? and thats the difference if i switch the last 1 for one 0 ?
[01:56] <selinium_> Seveas: Is there a way I can format the USBdisk. I want to get rid of the useless folder.
[01:56] <Seveas> data on the drive probably was still somewhere in cache
[01:56] <Seveas> and now is just corrupt
[01:56] <jorecom> Thanks all for Help , I update the system & runs MP3 too , Thanks to all ... good bye
[01:56] <Seveas> selinium_, yes, using the chkdsk tool on windows
[01:56] <lok> Seveas, I never saw any probleme with the fat32 support
[01:56] <jesuel> jorecom: have fun! ;p
[01:56] <Seveas> lok, me neither until you try usb-fat32 and large files
[01:56] <pro> lok, think nicely about what you just said
[01:57] <lok> BockBilbo, the two last numbers is the dump and the pass but I don't know how to use theme
[01:57] <lok> -e
 Seveas, I never saw any probleme with the fat32 support <---- this part
[01:57] <Seveas> pro, usually there are no problems
[01:57] <bob2> cef: hm, ok
[01:57] <Seveas> there is just one:
[01:57] <pro> if you ask me fat32 is a problem
[01:57] <bob2> I\'m probably just out of the loop then
[01:58] <Seveas> if you write a lot via usb, a lot is cached
[01:58] <Seveas> and so after cp says it is finished, a lot still needs to be written
[01:58] <selinium_> Seveas: Is there not a linux way of formating the USBdisk or does it have to be done with windows?
[01:58] <Seveas> so if you unplug it then, you lose the data
[01:58] <lok> Seveas, the fat32 filesystem can't handle a file bigger than 4GB but else on the usb drive to I never had a probleme
[01:58] <Seveas> selinium_, there might be, never tried it
[01:58] <pro> unmount it and then unplug it
[01:58] <shock> *sob* my cplay wont play musik
[01:59] <Seveas> lok, it is not a fat32 problem, but linux kernel-caching-large amounts of data-slow usb port-related
[01:59] <shock> refuses ogg and mp3 it plays but wont be audible
[01:59] <pro> i get the same with my ipod, the program says is done copying but the icon on the pod shows its still syncing
[01:59] <lok> ooh sorry I've haven't understand it
[01:59] <cef> bob2: on sounder, Date: 28/02/05 03:10, "Bendy's not *entirely* final, let's call it a working title for now.  Grumpy Groundhog is still on the way, it will be a rolling "unstable" release, much like Sid in Debian and Cooker in Mandrake. The "grumpy" name will be perfect for that :-)"
[01:59] <selinium_> Does anyone know how to format a USBdisk with Ubuntu?
[02:00] <pro> selinium_, what format do you want to make it?
[02:00] <selinium_> pro fat32
[02:00] <bob2> cef: ah
[02:00] <lok> shock, does the alsa output work with other "sound maker"
[02:00] <bob2> cef: duh me for not keeping up then, sorry
[02:00] <bob2> selinium_: we just did this with BockBilbo
[02:00] <jesuel> hrm
[02:00] <jesuel> bbiab
[02:01] <bob2> selinium_: use 'cfdisk /dev/sda' to partition it
[02:01] <bob2> selinium_: then 'mkfs -t whatever /dev/sda1'
[02:01] <cef> bob2: heh.. the lists just move sometimes... I tend to just read sounder and only occasionly keep up on some of the other lists
[02:01] <shock> rhythmbox is playing my fight club mp3's as we speak
[02:01] <shock> perfectly
[02:01] <pro> selinium_, something along the lines of, mkfs -t vfat /dev/hdaX   where X is the partition number
[02:01] <cef> bob2: which is of course how I actually saw that and remembered it
[02:01] <shock> @ lok
[02:01] <x-256> hi
[02:01] <bob2> cef: hah, right
[02:01] <BockBilbo> selinium_,
[02:01] <x-256> if i add a nick NIC into my compu, where do I set the networking up in Ubuntu ?
[02:01] <StoffBox-Steve> someone know the release date for usplash ?
[02:02] <selinium_> Sorry bob2 for making you repeat yourself!
[02:02] <BockBilbo> mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1
[02:02] <da_bon_bon> cef: whats bendy, now ?
[02:02] <cef> bob2: course, if had my new laptop by now, it probably wouldn't be such an issue
[02:02] <lok> shock, sorry I can't found a solution to your probleme ... another weirdies
[02:02] <shock> jup
[02:02] <bob2> cef: still not there?
[02:02] <shock> i guess its all about this polypaudio stuff
[02:02] <shock> *grml*
[02:02] <cef> bob2: matter of finding something decent within my price range that is well supported
[02:03] <shock> now why oh why did my working sound have to die?
[02:03] <shock> :P
[02:03] <bob2> cef: ah
[02:03] <cef> bob2: annoying shit like wireless drivers that aren't in the kernel (which if you do any kernel dev, is a right pain in the rear)
[02:04] <x-256> cef: yep
[02:04] <x-256> cef: i was lucky enough to just get mine working + compiling
[02:04] <bob2> cef: heh, yeah
[02:04] <x-256> cef: but how do u set it up in Ubuntu for bootup etc?
[02:04] <cef> x-256: what chipset?
[02:04] <bob2> cef: are any in the kernel these days?
[02:04] <cef> bob2: prism54 and ipw2200 are the prime contenders afaik
[02:04] <x-256> cef: RealTek 8180L
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> bob2: nice comment out here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8556&page=2&pp=10 :))
[02:05] <cef> not sure if ipw2200 is in the kernel yet, but least it's gpl (afaik) which is a plus
[02:05] <bob2> cef: 2200's still a bit dodge.  no scanning, aiui, for instance
[02:05] <welly> hey, trying to install themepreview-2, but not having much luck. i've uncompressed it to /usr/src/themepreview-2 (i believe) and have run  make install but getting a load of errors. the readme file is 0 bytes so can't get much help from that either
[02:05] <lok> my wireless devices can't be use on x86_64 (linux or windows) *grumble* laptop ....
[02:05] <bob2> cef: 2100's ok but needs to be reset a lot (ie unload/load the module)
[02:06] <cef> the main issue is that stuff that there isn't free code for is annoying to debug.. like nvidia's 3d
[02:06] <BockBilbo> lol im usin the 2200 right now
[02:07] <cef> bob2: main issue is that if have to, I need to be able to use free drivers for a while... not necessarily all the time.. hence nvidia isn't that much of a problem
[02:07] <bob2> da_bon_bon: it's best to ignore anything shimon, HostingGeek, GMAIL, GNU-DEBIAN, UbuntuLinux or any of his other nicks say
[02:07] <bob2> cef: ah, right
[02:08] <membreya-aWay> god..another update to ubuntu:|
[02:08] <x-256> what's the included GUI netconfig tool  for Ubuntu anyone?
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ah well, i already applied the patch. indulgence.. :))
[02:08] <BockBilbo> lok, im having a problem when mounting the usbdisk on boot. It says special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[02:08] <BockBilbo> :s
[02:08] <BockBilbo> but the thing is that it does exist
[02:08] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:08] <lok> ok
[02:08] <bob2> x-256: there isn't one in warty
[02:08] <bob2> BockBilbo: it won't exist initially
[02:08] <lok> yesterday I've the same probleme
[02:08] <membreya-aWay> x-256: network-admin
[02:08] <bob2> BockBilbo: just let hotplug/g-v-m do it for you
[02:09] <x-256> membreya-aWay, is that on the CD ?
[02:09] <lok> the only way I found to make it work is to make a dist-upgrade
[02:09] <BockBilbo> bob2 how do i do that?
[02:09] <membreya-aWay> erm ...no idea
[02:09] <x-256> bob2, how do u setup ur net? by hand ?
[02:09] <bob2> x-256: dhcp
[02:09] <x-256> bob2, how do u tell it to use DHCP ?
[02:09] <bob2> x-256: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:09] <bob2> there's some gnome thing in hoary, too
[02:10] <membreya-aWay> hmmm generally how long does it take to update mirrors in ubuntu?
[02:10] <BockBilbo> x-256, network-admin
[02:10] <bob2> membreya-aWay: you mean "How long do the mirrors lag behind archive.ubuntu.com?"?
[02:10] <membreya-aWay> bob2: exactly :)
[02:10] <x-256> BockBilbo, i don't have it isntalled :( and can't find the CD
[02:11] <membreya-aWay> ie I have a fast mirror in aus that gets me 500 kB/s ....but the packages haven't been updated so I'm getting 404's
[02:11] <x-256> bob2: is it the auto eth0 line ?
[02:11] <coroner> anyone able to give me a heads as to why some packages wouldnt install, some of the ones that came down automatically during the install didnt install it said. Resulting in my x not starting
[02:11] <BockBilbo> x-256, what do you exactly want to do?
[02:12] <bob2> membreya-aWay: depends on the mirror
[02:12] <BockBilbo> configure your wireless card?
[02:12] <bob2> membreya-aWay: hopefully they're on fast pipes, archive.u.c updates hourly
[02:12] <x-256> bob2: ok i saw it. Now how do I setup my wifi driver? I mean which file, coz I wanna pass it the essid w/ : iwconfig wlan0 essid "whateve"
[02:12] <bob2> x-256: no, that just tells it to bring it up
[02:12] <bob2> x-256: the same file
[02:12] <bob2> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[02:13] <bob2> wireless_essid "blah"
[02:13] <x-256> bob2: is the on the following line ?
[02:13] <BockBilbo> bob2, hotplug doesnt recognize sda1
[02:13] <bob2> x-256: yes
[02:13] <bob2> BockBilbo: ok
[02:13] <BockBilbo> do i have to do anything to make it discover?
[02:13] <x-256> ok thnks, letmetry
[02:13] <bob2> BockBilbo: I don't know
[02:13] <BockBilbo> sucks
[02:14] <membreya-aWay> *sigh* getting data at 100kB/s sucks :|
[02:14] <BockBilbo> bob2, where you here when i talked about a bug/error i found on the array 5 of hoary?
[02:14] <cef> membreya-aWay: optus have made a decent dent in the international speed issue.. I was getting almost a steady 150kB/sec from archive.ubuntu.com last week
[02:14] <BockBilbo> membreya-aWay, in some countrys is what we just can get
[02:14] <x-256> bob2: when I do: networking start it hangs on the console after the "Config.. net interfaces" line
[02:14] <BockBilbo> :(
[02:14] <cef> membreya-aWay: better than 35kB/sec like it used to be
[02:15] <bob2> BockBilbo: no
[02:15] <x-256> bob2: no route's setup and no IP address, and I know my DHCP AP is working fine
[02:15] <bob2> x-256: ok
[02:15] <membreya-aWay> cef: I prefer the ispnet mirror for aus tho ..500 - 700 rocks :)
[02:15] <lok> BockBilbo, does the sda1 exist ?
[02:15] <membreya-aWay> downloading 90mb in 2mins :)
[02:15] <membreya-aWay> so array 6 installed new kernel huh? :)
[02:15] <evarlast> sometimes I get over 400kB from archives.ubuntu :)  it makes me happy
[02:16] <bob2> hm, a.u.c is just as fast as mirror.internode for me
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> YAY! OOo2.0-devel no longer hangs while creating pdf!!
[02:16] <bob2> 150KB/s either way
[02:16] <bob2> unless I'm shaped
[02:16] <afonit> da_bon_bon are you on amd64?
[02:16] <membreya-aWay> bob2: shaping is the devil's work I tells ya!
[02:17] <BockBilbo> bob2, it happens that i installed ubuntu hoary in a pc with a d-link wireless card. The installation procedure detected my wifi card and used it in the installation, but after rebooting, the system did not detect the wifi card. I looked around te problem, and i discovered that the installation didnt ut the firmware file in the /lib/hotplug/firmware directory
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> afonit: i386
[02:17] <membreya-aWay> afonit: I'm a64 :)
[02:17] <BockBilbo> lok, it does exist yes
[02:17] <shock> wohoo... I got my plone working
[02:17] <bob2> BockBilbo: oh, ok
[02:17] <afonit> membreya-away, if you are on hoary, is OOo2.0 installable for you?
[02:17] <membreya-aWay> afonit: yup running hoary..and I haven't had any problems in the past installing OOo2
[02:18] <BockBilbo> lok, any idea of how to fix the prob?
[02:18] <lok> BockBilbo, when you mount try to mount it what's the error message ?
[02:18] <membreya-aWay> noone answered my question about array6 running a new kernel :) does the nvidia module carry across or do I have to reinstall it ? :|
[02:18] <shock> just onw thing in plone: how do you get the "posted by no owner" to display the one who published it?
[02:18] <afonit> membreya-away, jw as I am on amd64, on hoary too, but when I choose OO.o2.0 from synaptic, it says 'openoffice.org2-core1.9.76) is not installable"
[02:18] <bob2> membreya-aWay: dude
[02:19] <afonit> but it is workign for you, so that is good news, as I know it is unique to me then
[02:19] <bob2> membreya-aWay: if you use array 6, then you reinstall
[02:19] <afonit> so it is solvable
[02:19] <bob2> membreya-aWay: and the nvidia module is in linux-restricted-modules which is updated along with the kernels
[02:19] <membreya-aWay> damnit bob2 :| :(
[02:19] <BockBilbo> lok, i get no error mounting when mounting it in the terminal, i get the error message when trying to automount it on the system boot. it says that the device could not be found
[02:19] <membreya-aWay> afonit: I wouldn't know from synaptic.. I compiled it myself
[02:19] <bob2> membreya-aWay: if you have Ubuntu installed, you have no need for array 6
[02:19] <afonit> thanks membreya
[02:19] <bob2> everyone needs to realise that this is like Debian
[02:19] <bob2> you only install once
[02:19] <membreya-aWay> bob2: what's this update coming down then ?
[02:20] <bob2> membreya-aWay: you know hoary gets uploads like every 15 minutes, right?
[02:20] <bob2> forget about array
[02:20] <bob2> it has nothing to do with actually running hoary
[02:20] <bob2> it's just a new install cd
[02:20] <membreya-aWay> bob2: yup...but this is a BIG update like 140mb
[02:20] <lok> BockBilbo, maybe the automount is do before the hotplug detection
[02:20] <coroner> Trying to load X for the first time, it says there is a Fatal Server error no screen found. in the XF86Config-4 my screen is detected correctly?
[02:20] <bob2> membreya-aWay: which still has nothing to do with array 6 coming out
[02:20] <da_bon_bon> coroner: warty ?
[02:20] <BockBilbo> lok, mm let me check
[02:20] <coroner> da_bon_bon: yeah warty
[02:21] <bob2> except that people probably tried to upload stuff to get on array 6
[02:21] <membreya-aWay> bob2: thankyou :)
[02:21] <membreya-aWay> so is this the final array?
[02:21] <bob2> membreya-aWay: daniel did an X upload, that's probably most of your upgrade right there
[02:21] <x-256> can someone help me w/ etc/network/interfaces, so I can add my wifi card so that it works on bootup ? thanks
[02:21] <membreya-aWay> it seems to be a lot of libs and a lot of gnome stuff
[02:22] <BockBilbo> x-256, dont u use gnome?
[02:22] <SiRrUs> anyone know when the fix for the slow redraws will be made ?
[02:22] <bob2> SiRrUs: which bug # is that?
[02:22] <bob2> if there's no bug report, then "never"
[02:22] <x-256> BockBilbo, yeah i think it has gnome. but i dunno which tools/programs to use
[02:22] <jdub> SiRrUs: slow redraws? context?
[02:22] <bob2> jdub: apparently X has gotten slow for a few people
[02:23] <BockBilbo> x-256, ubntu hoary or warty?
[02:23] <x-256> warty
[02:23] <SiRrUs> one sec buit to start it started happening 2 days ago after I updated
[02:23] <BockBilbo> mmm cant help you around it
[02:23] <BockBilbo> its been a while since i used warty
[02:23] <x-256> whats so different ?
[02:23] <BockBilbo> the apps around the wifi config has changed
[02:23] <x-256> i c
[02:24] <BockBilbo> i remember warty had a poor wireless configuration manager
[02:24] <BockBilbo> ...
[02:24] <x-256> well I edit /etc/net*/interfaces, but doing networking start makes it hang there
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> bob2: hoarys isnt update evry /15/ minutes
[02:24] <BockBilbo> lok, its confirmed, the system tryes to mount the usbdisk before doing the hotplug detection
[02:24] <bob2> da_bon_bon: meh
[02:25] <BockBilbo> any idea of how to invert that?
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> bob2: whats meh ?
[02:25] <bob2> da_bon_bon: doko uploaded 500 000 zope packages in 5 minutes the other day
[02:25] <x-256> why is my wlan0 still up when i do networking stop ?
[02:25] <x-256> any ideas >?
[02:25] <bob2> da_bon_bon: doesn't matter
[02:26] <da_bon_bon> whats zope :)
[02:26] <BockBilbo> x-256 maybe cause the networking is related to the /etc/networking/interfaces file and you have nothing in there abour your wifi card?
[02:27] <SiRrUs> here are a few others having the same problem  >>> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17701&highlight=redraw+slow
[02:27] <x-256> BockBilbo, i added: auto wlan0 \n iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[02:27] <bob2> SiRrUs: so no one files a bug?
[02:27] <SiRrUs> I have no idea
[02:28] <SiRrUs> Daniels has stated that there might be issues with fglrx and xorg 6.8.2
[02:28] <jdub> if it's not in bugzilla
[02:28] <jdub> it's not a bug
[02:28] <jdub> :-)
[02:29] <Ribs> heh
[02:29] <jdub> everyone like their ubuntu-calendar this month?
[02:29] <Ribs> man, I'd love to see a M$ Bugzilla
[02:29] <bob2> haha
[02:29] <membreya-aWay> jdub: ????
[02:29] <bob2> itym "MS".
[02:29] <BockBilbo> x-256, this is what i have: iface eth1 inet dhcp \n wireless-mode managed \n wireless-essid ESSIDNAME \n auto eth1
[02:29] <Ribs> Maybe we'd find out how well Bugzilla really scales with all those entries :)
[02:29] <membreya-aWay> Ribs: internet aint big enough
[02:30] <BockBilbo> my wireless card is eth1, try doing that using wlan0
[02:30] <BockBilbo> lok, u still there?
[02:30] <SiRrUs> ok very dumb question (another one :) )  after mentioning it to you two as well as Daniels knowing about the issue doesnt it become a problem?
[02:31] <jdub> SiRrUs: we are not interfaces to the bug tracker
[02:31] <SiRrUs> :) ok
[02:31] <BockBilbo> wow... we have just have a thunder here that has make everything move
[02:31] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:31] <danny666> hi
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> is there any way to run visual studio 6 undr linux, with say, wine ?
[02:32] <bob2> da_bon_bon: it might work
[02:32] <jdub> da_bon_bon: check winehq.com compatibility lists
[02:33] <jdub> da_bon_bon: i somewhat doubt it
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> bob2: any special procedures ?
[02:33] <coroner> am hanging till 1am, so i can reinstall ubuntu and hopefully get X working
[02:33] <danny666> i have a problem to install ati driver on ubuntu hoary can somebody help?
[02:33] <BockBilbo> bob2, do you know how to make hotplug run on boot before the external hd mounting?
[02:33] <bob2> da_bon_bon: appdb.codeweavers.com
[02:34] <da_bon_bon> lemme check
[02:34] <bob2> BockBilbo: no, sorry
[02:34] <lok> BockBilbo, sorry I ve just return
[02:34] <BockBilbo> lok, dont worry
[02:35] <BockBilbo> i said that the automounting of the usbdisk happens before hotplug runs
[02:35] <BockBilbo> so thats why i get the error of "device not found"
[02:35] <lok> BockBilbo, in the correct /etc/init.d/   add a line to mount the /dev/sda1
[02:36] <coroner> any lend me their knowledge for a moment and try to get my X working, to save me having to format and try again ?
[02:36] <awstott> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5168947354&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW wonder if that'll run linux
[02:36] <BockBilbo> lok, how do i do that?
[02:36] <lok> edit /etc/init.d/hotplug
[02:37] <lok> and right before exit0 add a line mount /dev/sda1
[02:37] <bob2> that's a pretty bad idea
[02:37] <bob2> if you want to mount it statically, add it to /etc/fstab
[02:37] <BockBilbo> bob2, i have added it to fstab
[02:38] <BockBilbo> but it doesnt work
[02:38] <lok> the hotplus start after the automount
[02:38] <SiRrUs> jdub/bob2  bug report was opened on the redraw problem bug #7100 it was opened March 2
[02:38] <lok> s/s/g
[02:38] <bob2> SiRrUs: excellent
[02:38] <lok> I don't like my idea too but
[02:38] <BockBilbo> lok, instead of doing that, would
[02:38] <BockBilbo> it be better to create a script
[02:38] <BockBilbo> ?
[02:38] <lok> yeah
[02:39] <lok> if you can you better do it
[02:39] <bob2> that doesn't help, tho
[02:39] <Slaven> is there some easy way to play a dvd image (.iso) just by somehow selecting the file? it's a mess having to symlink /dev/dvd to /dev/loop/0 and mount the disc everytime I want to watch a dvd
[02:39] <lok> it's just a little less crapy :/
[02:39] <BockBilbo> why not bob2 ?
[02:40] <lok> because we haven't normally to make this kind of change in the init script
[02:40] <Slaven> and what media players are out there? I'd like something with real playlist management, xine's just weird.
[02:41] <lok> they respect a order and a logic and add line in one of theme is "tidy"
[02:41] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:41] <SiRrUs> Slaven my xine plays the Dvd when you insert it in the machine
[02:41] <Slaven> SiRrUs: Yeah, but backed up dvd copies.
[02:42] <Slaven> isos
[02:42] <SiRrUs> it opens everything so far
[02:42] <lok> is there a sort of slack's rc.local in ubuntu ?
[02:42] <Slaven> how do you make xine open a dvd .iso file without mounting the file?
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> Slaven: why not mount it ?
[02:42] <lok> a rc which is load at the last time
[02:43] <lok> and where user can add lines like this?
[02:43] <Slaven> da_bon_bon: Well, I've not so much against mounting it, as I have against relinking /dev/dvd to the loop device, but maybe there's an easier way?
[02:43] <evarlast> lok: no, ubuntu uses sysv style init scripts rather than bsd style rc scripts.
[02:43] <Lathiat> Slaven: i dunno about xine but i think mplayer does that
[02:44] <Lathiat> at least it plays iso files of vcds
[02:44] <lok> ok
[02:44] <Lathiat> in fact i just tried it
[02:44] <Lathiat> it doesn't quite work as expected
[02:44] <Slaven> hm
[02:44] <mlambie> can I install 2.6.8 kernel that ships with warty on hoary?
[02:44] <Slaven> I used to use mplayer for everything
[02:44] <Slaven> dunno why I switched oer to xine.
[02:45] <evarlast> lok: just add what you want to /etc/crontab with the @reboot instead of the 5 date/time fields.
[02:45] <Slaven> I was a real green nub when I did it, so it could have been anything, I guess. I'll check into mplayer a bit.
[02:45] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:46] <lok> thanks evarlast
[02:48] <minimec> hi folks. I need some help with a modem connection. The problem is tha fallowing: I can connect successfully to my provider, but the default route appears only after about 1 minute, when I type sudo route.
[02:49] <minimec> result: I am cinnected but I no data transfer.
[02:49] <Bandit> good morning guys
[02:54] <Slaven> hm
[02:54] <Slaven> mplayer can play .bin vcd:s.
[02:55] <Slaven> how about .iso dvd:s? :(
[02:55] <aljo^> how can i change the CDkey? If my keyboard just types some weird things, when i press on 1 it types !, and so on...
[02:56] <aljo^> any ideas?
[02:58] <minimec> hi folks. I need some help with a modem connection. The problem is tha fallowing: I can connect successfully to my provider, but the default route appears only after about 1 minute, when I type 'sudo route'.
[02:58] <minimec> result: I am connected but I have no data transfer.
[03:00] <nictuku> hi, I am trying to install XML::Writer::String from CPAN (Perl) but it fails when trying to '
[03:00] <nictuku> "Writing Makefile for XML::Writer::String"
[03:01] <minimec> doesen't anyone at least have a hint for me?
[03:08] <Xylith> HELLO! I just wonder if i can have both ubuntu and windows on the same computer (install ubuntu on another partion)?
[03:08] <Bandit> Xylith yep
[03:08] <evarlast> Xylith: yes.  ubuntu can resize your partitions to coexist with windows
[03:08] <Xylith> .:Bandit:. Thank you for the answer, may I ask how?
[03:09] <Xylith> ok, so i can choose if i want to start my computer with windows or ubuntu using a startup menu or something?
[03:09] <Slaven> yep.
[03:09] <javiolo> hi, I have a problem with the screen resolution, can anyone hlpme ?
[03:10] <Frodo> HOw can I adjust my gnome menu in Hoary?  In Warty it was easy with applications:/// but in Hoary I dont know how?
[03:10] <Xylith> .:Slaven:. Swedish?
[03:10] <Bandit> Frodo what part of the menu
[03:11] <Anubis> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-artwork_0.2.18-1_all.deb (--unpack):
[03:11] <Anubis>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gnome-background-properties', which is also in package gnome-backgrounds
[03:11] <Anubis> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:11] <Slaven> Xylith: Ja.
[03:11] <Xylith> .:Slaven:. :)
[03:11] <Slaven> ;)
[03:11] <Frodo> Bandit:  the applications, to add to menu or remove
[03:11] <javiolo> hi, I have a problem with the screen resolution, can anyone hlpme ?
[03:11] <Xylith> .:Slaven:. S hur ska jag gra fr att f den dr menyn? Kanske ska lgga till att jag redan har windows installerat
[03:11] <x-256> BockBilbo, it worked!! (your method) now i'll reboot to check! thanks
[03:12] <Slaven> Xylith: Har du ngra partitioner reserverade fr Linux? Eller r allt utrymme upptaget?
[03:12] <Frodo> in Warty it was cntl-L nautilus applications:/// then make launcher etc
[03:12] <Xylith> .:Slaven:. Allt utrymme r upptaget, men ska fixa det med PartionMagic
[03:12] <acs> hey
[03:12] <BockBilbo> x-256, no prob
[03:12] <BockBilbo> ;)
[03:12] <Slaven> Xylith: nice.
[03:12] <acs> is there any program that can tell me the temp of my hdd
[03:13] <Anubis> ubuntu-artwork_0.2.18-1_all.deb
[03:13] <x-256> BockBilbo, btw, which tool can I use to remove services (db stuff, lvm, etc) that I don't want running for Ubuntu. I can do it by hand, but want a GUI method
[03:13] <Anubis> broken?
[03:13] <Slaven> Xylith: Fixa fram lite tomt utrymme. Du ska ha minst tre nya partitioner, men det dr tror jag att installationsprogrammet hjlper dig med.
[03:13] <Xylith> .:Slaven:. Tre stycken? va ska de va bra fr
[03:13] <acs> does anyone know
[03:13] <acs> ??
[03:13] <Slaven> en pytteliten boot-partitioner dr bland annat programmet som vljer mellan Windows och Linux ligger, men ocks Linux-kerneln (lagret mellan Windows och Linux)
[03:13] <Slaven> ehm
[03:13] <Slaven> wtf
[03:14] <Slaven> lagret mellan Windows och Linux? lagret mellan Linux mjukvara och din hrdvara.
[03:14] <Frodo> I thought my question should be an easy one...adding applications to the main menu shouldnt be pulling teeth...
[03:14] <Slaven> drivers och snt.
[03:14] <mlambie> should I be concerned: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[03:14] <Xylith> .:slaven:. Okej.. s jag fixar lite icke upptaget utrymme (3GB), s fixar installationen partionerna?
[03:14] <BockBilbo> x-256, dnt know
[03:15] <BockBilbo> sorry
[03:15] <ggeecko> ubuntu is pretty cool
[03:15] <Slaven> plus en swappartition, allts samma som en vxlingsfil i Windows. och sedan sjlva systempartitionen.
[03:15] <Slaven> Xylith: Jag vet inte, jag skulle satsa p en ngot strre partition.
[03:15] <Slaven> Min Linux-partition r 15 gig.
[03:15] <Xylith> .:slaven:. Ah ok, 5gb rcker det?
[03:15] <Slaven> ja
[03:15] <Slaven> det rcker ju.
[03:15] <ggeecko> what is a good cd burning program??
[03:15] <Frodo> ggeecko: k3b
[03:15] <Slaven> beror p hur mnga program du ska ha installerade frsts.
[03:15] <Xylith> .:slaven:. Hrddisken som jag ska installera linux p r 25gb stor, jag vill ju ha lite utrymme fr filmer  snt p windows ocks :P
[03:16] <Slaven> ok, liten hrddisk.. synd.
[03:16] <Xylith> .:slaven:. Ja
[03:16] <Slaven> nja, d duger 5 gig jttebra.
[03:16] <Slaven> tror att rekommendationen fr Ubuntu r 6 gig. men jag minns inte riktigt.
[03:16] <Xylith> .:Slaven:. Ska ha en spelserver till halflife, sen ska jag vl kanske ha ngon irc server och http server
[03:16] <Slaven> alright.
[03:17] <Slaven> hursomhelst, installationen fixar inte allt helt automatiskt. det r faktiskt lite pill med det.
[03:17] <LinuxJones> This is the english channel guys :)
[03:17] <Frodo> HOw can I adjust my gnome menu in Hoary?  In Warty it was easy with applications:/// but in Hoary I dont know how?
[03:17] <Xylith> To install ubuntu, you should have at least 32mb of RAM. You should have space on your hard disk to create a new disk partition of at least 1.8gb for a standart ubuntu desktop system.
[03:17] <Xylith> .:LinuxJones:. Ah ok, sry
[03:18] <Slaven> Xylith: My mistake :P
[03:18] <seb128> Frodo: edit the desktop files in /usr/share/applications/
[03:18] <Slaven> Xylith: Query?
[03:18] <Xylith> .:Slaven:. Haha, i just read on the CD
[03:18] <Xylith> .:Slaven:. Yes please
[03:18] <seb128> Frodo: or in ~/.local/share/applications/
[03:18] <LinuxJones> Xylith, it's ok but there is a German irc channel I believe (if that's the language you guys are speaking)
[03:18] <Xylith> .:LinuxJones:. Its called Swedish
[03:18] <Frodo> no easy way with nautilus like there was in warty?
[03:18] <LinuxJones> Xylith, I am uni-lingual :D
[03:19] <Xylith> .:LinuxJones:. I have no idea
[03:19] <seb128> Frodo: no
[03:19] <Frodo> so far my experience with Hoary has just to go backwards
[03:19] <seb128> Frodo: don't troll again on that please, read the lists, there is enough troll
[03:20] <Frodo> what? I am not trolling foo
[03:20] <seb128> Frodo: the new menu system is really better but nobody has written a nice menu editor yet
[03:20] <LinuxJones> Frodo, hopefully the developers are working on something to replace editing menus
[03:21] <LinuxJones> Frodo, although I have not heard anything official
[03:21] <seb128> patches are welcome :)
[03:21] <Frodo> Thanks Linuxjones, my question wasn't meant to be a nuisance, and seb128 dont accuse of "trolling' so easily
[03:21] <seb128> Frodo: <Frodo> so far my experience with Hoary has just to go backwards
[03:22] <LinuxJones> Frodo, it's a very common question it get's asked like 10 times a day :D
[03:22] <seb128> Frodo: that's nice for people working on it, really
[03:23] <Frodo> Seb.128, all you had to do was answer completely instead of in a terse and incomplete way..
[03:23] <Funraiser> i downloaded a game using synaptic packet manager, but i can't find it now, where this stuff goes?
[03:25] <Funraiser> it's not in app/games...anybody knows?
[03:25] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, usually games go into Applications >> Games but sometimes it takes aq while for the entry to be updated in the menu, or it can take a re-login to gnome for it to be added.
[03:25] <Funraiser> oh
[03:25] <Funraiser> but i rebooted
[03:25] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, worse case scenario is you ahve to add it to the Games menu by hand
[03:26] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, are you in warty or hoary ?
[03:26] <Funraiser> warty
[03:26] <x-256> ok, i wanna install the latest kernel main-restricted-secure kernel, and have it install the modules/headers/image for me, which file packacke should I pick?
[03:26] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, i am on hoary but open nautilus and type applications:///
[03:26] <Funraiser> k
[03:26] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, you should be able to add it there
[03:27] <Funraiser> you mean "create launcher", but i don't know where the file is...
[03:28] <Funraiser> i'm in nautilus app
[03:29] <Funraiser> please somebody...
[03:29] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, what game ?
[03:29] <Funraiser> flightgear
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, type find /usr -name flightgear -print in console
[03:30] <Funraiser> k
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, it's probably in /usr/bin/
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, but not necessarily :D
[03:31] <x-256> anyone, which kernel package should I pick?
[03:32] <LinuxJones> Lord there is a 105 meg hoary update
[03:32] <membreya> LinuxJones: it was 140 mb for me
[03:32] <LinuxJones> membreya, I did one last night :D
[03:32] <Funraiser> nope...not is usr/bin...
[03:32] <Funraiser> in*
[03:33] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, ok thange the /usr part to /
[03:33] <membreya> LinuxJones: ...so did I ...it was 100mb
[03:33] <CarlK> If I install hoary-server on laptop A, pull the drive and put in laptop B, what are the chances of it booting B?
[03:33] <Funraiser> in the console it says:find: paths must precede expression
[03:33] <membreya> CarlK: identical hardware? :)
[03:33] <LinuxJones> membreya, hopefully hoary will be frozen in a week or 2
[03:33] <CarlK> membreya - both black - is that close enough?
[03:34] <membreya> LinuxJones: It's running nicely.. I don't want it to freeze
[03:34] <membreya> oh you meant the updates :P
[03:34] <LinuxJones> membreya, yeah
[03:34] <Funraiser> so u mean i type : find / -name flightgear -print in console ?
[03:34] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, yeah
[03:34] <Funraiser> with sudo?
[03:35] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, no just regular user terminal
[03:36] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, it's probably in /usr/local/games
[03:36] <Funraiser> it says "path must precede expression
[03:36] <Funraiser> i'll check
[03:37] <Funraiser> do i need root privilege to see /usr/local/games cose there is nothing in it
[03:37] <Funraiser> ?
[03:37] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, no you shouldn't
[03:37] <Funraiser> it's empty then
[03:37] <Funraiser> :-(
[03:38] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, it's easier actually to sudo -s then updatedb && locate flightgear
[03:38] <Funraiser> and i'm sure i downloaded it cose when i go back to synaptic it says : reinstall flightgear?
[03:38] <Funraiser> ok i'll try
[03:39] <Funraiser> that'separate line? sudo -s and then update etc..?
[03:39] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, sudo -s open a "root" shell
[03:39] <Funraiser> oh
[03:39] <Funraiser> k
[03:39] <Funraiser> :-)
[03:40] <membreya> damn mirror STILL isn't updated >:(
[03:41] <Funraiser>  updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such  file or directory
[03:41] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, your in the root shell ?
[03:41] <Funraiser> oh there it works...
[03:41] <membreya> Funraiser: you also tend to need to create the file with locate -u
[03:42] <spiral> hi
[03:42] <Funraiser> hmmm...what?
[03:43] <TPC> I want my home folder to be the desktop. how can I do this?
[03:44] <LinuxJones> TPC, why do you want to do that ?
[03:45] <TPC> I just like having things organized in a certain way
[03:45] <Funraiser> Linuxjones what do i do now...?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> TPC, there ill be a hole mess of directories and files on your desktop
[03:45] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, did you find the flightgear binary ?
[03:46] <TPC> LinuxJones, I keep things neatly in different dirs, my home dir is usually clean
[03:46] <Funraiser> no
[03:46] <welly> TPC, have you seen what's contained in your home directory?
[03:46] <welly> tpc, go to the terminal and type ls -a in your home directory
[03:46] <membreya> Funraiser: do you know the name of the package? if so just do a whereis
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, it's not installed then try re-installing
[03:46] <Frodo> Is there a reason that when I updated to Hoary synaptic was removed?  I say thanks in advance to any wo take the time to answer this...
[03:46] <TPC> welly, of course I don't want to show the hidden files
[03:47] <LinuxJones> TPC, you could create links to it I suppose an put the links on your desktop to all of the directories on your desktop
[03:47] <Funraiser> in the update logs i should see a .bin is that you are saying?
[03:48] <TPC> LinuxJones, no, I want it to use my homefolder and remove the Desktop dir. I've done it before, I just can't remember how.
[03:49] <Funraiser> u mean i type: whereis flightgear
[03:49] <Funraiser> ?
[03:49] <jdub> TPC: /apps/nautilus/general in gconf
[03:49] <x-256> why isn't lilo available as a package for ubuntu? (am i looking in the wrong place? i looked in the universe packages)
[03:49] <TPC> jdub, ah, yeah. I was looking trought gconf but I didn't find it. Thanks.
[03:49] <Funraiser> it says: flightgear:
[03:50] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, was this game installed from a .deb file ?
[03:50] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, or from one of the repositories ?
[03:50] <Funraiser> from the synaptic thing here in ubuntu
[03:50] <Frodo> Is there a reason that when I updated to Hoary synaptic was removed?  I say thanks in advance to any wo take the time to answer this...
[03:50] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, try reinstalling it
[03:50] <Funraiser> k
[03:51] <seb128> Frodo: removed from the system ?
[03:51] <membreya> Funraiser: do an sudo apt-get install -f flightgear
[03:51] <isak> why the.. has ubuntu deleted some important dll file from windows? :| - i wanted to boot into windows but it just says - right after i installed ubuntu - that there is msissing some sort of important dll file :|
[03:51] <membreya> isak: ubuntu didn't ... you did
[03:51] <membreya> ubuntu won't touch windows unless you tell it to
[03:51] <seb128> Frodo: and <Frodo> Seb.128, all you had to do was answer completely instead of in a terse and incomplete way..
[03:51] <seb128> Frodo: I've replied with the path for the files to edit, that's a complete way
[03:52] <Funraiser> it says: flightgear is already the newest version
[03:52] <isak> god dammit
[03:52] <isak> this just sucks
[03:52] <Funraiser> Linuxjones should i try to reinstall it via synaptic?
[03:52] <x-256> anyone? is there  a package for lilo ?
[03:53] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, look in synaptic a see what file the binary has it might be something other than flightgear ie..flight-gear
[03:53] <Frodo> after you rebuked me Seb...then you answered     and if I express Frustration ONCE you dont even need to go on about it...you are the one carring it on
[03:53] <membreya> x-256: sudo apt-get install lilo :)
[03:53] <x-256> membreya, how come i can't find it in Synaptic ?
[03:53] <membreya> it's there x-256
[03:53] <Funraiser> checked: flightgear
[03:53] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, right click the flight gear package in the search window and click properties
[03:53] <membreya> but again I'm running hoary
[03:53] <Funraiser> k
[03:53] <x-256> membreya, apt-get can't find it either
[03:54] <glyph> Is there a way to make X work reliably with more than one USB device?
[03:54] <tizen> If I install something with Synaptic, how do i ensure they're installed in the menu
[03:54] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, then look in the installed files
[03:54] <x-256> membreya, i swear it's not!
[03:54] <glyph> something like /etc/iftab but for USB?
[03:54] <membreya> x-256: you done an apt-cache search? and have you installed all your repo's?
[03:54] <Funraiser> there are many, some in usr/games
[03:55] <x-256> membreya, dunno apt very well. i'll try the cache thing
[03:55] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, ok look in /usr/games
[03:55] <x-256> membreya, can u tell me a good gui tool for enabling/stopping services for my ubuntu ?
[03:55] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, locate should find flightgear if that's the binary's name
[03:55] <membreya> Funraiser: installing flightgear now ...if it's easy to find I'm going to track you down and slap you
[03:55] <membreya> LinuxJones: whereis is much easy :) or which
[03:56] <LinuxJones> membreya, well either way it should find it
[03:56] <Funraiser> lol
[03:57] <x-256> do you guys all run daemons/services you don't need in the background?  I figure not, if not, how did u turn them off?  do u just killall -9 every time, or how ?
[03:58] <Funraiser> the bin might be fgfs (flightgear flightsimulator)?
[03:58] <dottedline> I am new to ubuntu, and since I loaded it, I have been told by an M$'r that I have a virus on my email.  anyone else experienced this?  how do I check it?
[03:58] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, lol no wonder we couldn't find it :D
[03:59] <membreya> Funraiser: that's the one :)
[03:59] <Funraiser> so slap or not?
[03:59] <membreya> *little slap*
[03:59] <thenuke> dottedline: what email have you been sending to him?   something with attachments?
[04:00] <thenuke> has he told you what kind of virus your emails have
[04:00] <dottedline> no, just htlp text
[04:00] <dottedline> no, just a virus
[04:00] <Funraiser> it works!!! Oh my goodness...Thanks to Linuxjones and...membreya!
[04:00] <Funraiser> :-)
[04:00] <LinuxJones> Funraiser,  have fun :)
[04:01] <membreya> this is too hard
[04:01] <membreya> friggin game!
[04:01] <membreya> gimme a gun!
[04:01] <Funraiser> what flightgear?
[04:01] <dottedline> html text, sorry
[04:01] <x-256> my APM module doesn't load in Ubuntu on boot up, and ideas how I can make it auto-load ?
[04:01] <dottedline> 2manymnuemonics
[04:02] <Funraiser> all i go shoot an ILS approach to Atlanta Int'l..
[04:04] <membreya> waste of 200mb that flightsim
[04:05] <isak> i dont know where to ask, but a windows repair, would that delete stuff from the desktop? on the windows :)..
[04:05] <membreya> no
[04:05] <membreya> it only replaces vital files
[04:05] <membreya> lo Echylo
[04:06] <isak> like dlls? f.ex?
[04:06] <Echylo> hi
[04:06] <membreya> yup
[04:06] <isak> alright - thanks mate :)
[04:06] <isak> see you guys, hopefully :P
[04:07] <afaik> can I ask a debian question here? They banned me from #debian
[04:07] <membreya> lol
[04:08] <Echylo> why did they afaik? :p
[04:08] <afaik> I tried to update my sources this morning, but it keeps hanging on specific servers...
[04:08] <afaik> anyone have a working apt sources list I can use?
[04:08] <afaik> I just need to update my package list.. I am in sid
[04:08] <Echylo> I think most of the people use ubuntu
[04:08] <afaik> Echylo, nazis
[04:08] <Echylo> ?
[04:08] <afaik> you know how those #debian people are :(
[04:08] <Echylo> nope
[04:08] <Echylo> never been there
[04:09] <membreya> no..we're # ubuntu
[04:09] <membreya> :)
[04:09] <Echylo> yay beatles download is done!
[04:09] <Echylo> 16 cds!
[04:09] <membreya> nutter
[04:09] <mairu> hah i thought beatles was the new flavor
[04:10] <mairu> What is the minimum amount of harddisk space needed for Ubuntu to work efficiently on a dual boot basis with a WindowsXP OS?
[04:10] <Echylo> 4
[04:10] <Echylo> :p
[04:10] <Echylo> or 5
[04:10] <Echylo> make it 10
[04:10] <Echylo> :)
[04:10] <Echylo> 5 each
[04:10] <mairu> 5 each??
[04:11] <afaik> heheh
[04:11] <Echylo> 5 gig
[04:11] <Echylo> :)
[04:11] <mairu> oh each for linux and xp?
[04:11] <mairu> haha
[04:11] <SiRrUs> hmmm
[04:11] <Echylo> what were you thinking?
[04:11] <afaik> ah
[04:11] <afaik> google for "filetype:list unstable deb"
[04:11] <mairu> i thought you were advocating i install hoary on 5, and the previous one on 5
[04:12] <x-256> do I need the makedev "service" ?
[04:12] <mairu> ;p
[04:12] <Echylo> :)
[04:12] <mairu> 5 is sweet
[04:12] <membreya> damn you mirror ..update!
[04:15] <mairu> How can I convert a normal video into a format that can be streamed as a progressive download?
[04:16] <jdub> mairu: normally, you don't have to.
[04:16] <jdub> mairu: any video player that can read from http can do that
[04:16] <mairu> jdub: I see. What format is optimal for the web, however?
[04:17] <membreya> ASF :P
[04:17] <mairu> lol
[04:17] <SiRrUs> cute :)
[04:17] <elec> does anybody know how to start/restart samba service in ubuntu?
[04:17] <mairu> Do i remember downloading ASF porn and then fretting because it wouldn't play?
[04:18] <jdub> mairu: ogg theora/vorbis :-)
[04:18] <mairu> jdub: That's what i thought. Thank you !
[04:18] <membreya> elec: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:18] <elec> thx membreya
[04:20] <x-256> is LVM and EVMS needed for Ubuntu to run? how can I disable those serivces?
[04:20] <nix000> anyone can tell me how i can have multiple wlan0 configurations so that i can hop on the local wifi network {home,work} by just doing ifup,ifdown ?
[04:21] <hawke> anybody know if scrnsaver.h is anywhere in Ubuntu?
[04:21] <nix000> i dont think i can have multiple configuration for the same interface in /etc/network/interfaces and the ui sucks btw !
[04:21] <elec> i can't find smbmount in my ubuntu....
[04:21] <meuserj|work> nix000, a text file doesn't need a user interface.... it's a text file, not a program.
[04:22] <nix000> hawke:  use apt-file search scrnsaver.h. if apt-file is not installed do apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update
[04:23] <nix000> meuserj|work: i was speaking of the network-config. i assume the ui should to make non obvious things easier .. like my case.
[04:23] <SiRrUs> anyone having trouble with their keyboard after updating hoary today
[04:24] <nix000> i dont even know what ishould be googling for here.
[04:24] <hawke> nix000: thank you.
[04:24] <lupusBE> can someone tell me where gnome knows which WM it has to use
[04:24] <lupusBE> I want to switch to a different one
[04:25] <hawke> nix000: I thought apt-cache would do the job.  Guess I was mistaken.
[04:25] <membreya> hmmm qtparted won't open for me :(
[04:25] <nix000> hawke: i always use apt-file for file search
[04:25] <marcin_ant> hi
[04:25] <SiRrUs> membreya hello
[04:25] <marcin_ant> I need _help_
[04:25] <marcin_ant> I got ubuntu on my desktop
[04:25] <membreya> hi SiRrUs :)
[04:26] <SiRrUs> membreya your running hoary right
[04:26] <marcin_ant> and now I'm installing on another machine
[04:26] <membreya> yessir
[04:26] <marcin_ant> and on my desktop there is hpijs driver in gnome-cups-manager
[04:26] <SiRrUs> membreya did you do your daily updates :)
[04:26] <membreya> just finished my 140 mb
[04:26] <marcin_ant> so I can pinstall my HP 5740
[04:26] <elec> how do i do for support smb fs in ubuntu? when i try mount -t smb, say is not support smb fs
[04:26] <SiRrUs> lol and does everything seem to work ok
[04:27] <marcin_ant> while on my second machine there is no driver for this printer on list
[04:27] <membreya> SiRrUs: everything's perfect :)
[04:27] <marcin_ant> what can I do to install this printer? I got hpijs installed...
[04:27] <Pluk> elec mount -t smbfs
[04:27] <elec> thx Pluk
[04:27] <SiRrUs> hmm i have a few problems for a change  for example this    should be a question mark
[04:28] <membreya> ? works fine :)
[04:28] <SiRrUs> my keyboard seems to have gotten all screwed up :) as well my refresh sucks  oh well :)
[04:30] <SiRrUs> well back to the drawing board :)
[04:30] <SiRrUs> see you guys in a bit
[04:30] <membreya> my qtparted doesnt start >:(
[04:31] <meuserj|work> marcin_ant, install the "foomatic-db-hpijs" package
[04:31] <mdz> marcin_ant: check is the new machine freshly installed?
[04:31] <mdz> marcin_ant: everything default?
[04:32] <padlefot> hi
[04:32] <marcin_ant> meuserj|work: I got this package - still nothing
[04:33] <airox> hi
[04:33] <padlefot> how is the wireless driver support with ubuntu? i have a infosmart wlan card..
[04:33] <marcin_ant> mdz: not default
[04:33] <marcin_ant> mdz: I installed without desktop
[04:33] <marcin_ant> mdz: command line only
[04:33] <mdz> marcin_ant: the desktop packages provide the printer drivers
[04:33] <marcin_ant> mdz: and now I installed gnome by hand
[04:33] <mdz> that's why you don't have them
[04:33] <mdz> you can install the ubuntu-desktop package to get everything which is installed by default for the desktop
[04:33] <Echylo> can you create playlists with XMMS like you can with winamp?
[04:33] <mdz> Echylo: yes
[04:33] <wezzer-> who the hell is this ms_immortasinger?
[04:34] <airox> I noticed that gnome doesn't use binary mode when transferring files. I found a topic on it with the bug report and the solution (libgnomevfs 2.8.3). Does someone has this package succesfully installed ?
[04:34] <wezzer-> spamming me all the time
[04:34] <marcin_ant> mdz: don't you get that I got packages?
[04:34] <Echylo> how mdz?
[04:34] <javiolo> hi
[04:34] <marcin_ant> mdz: hp driver should be in hpijs right?
[04:34] <padlefot> any of you had any problems with wlan in ubuntu?
[04:34] <mdz> Echylo: click on the "PL" button
[04:34] <javiolo> can anyone help me to configure the screen resolution ?
[04:34] <marcin_ant> mdz: so I got this package and nothing
[04:34] <mdz> marcin_ant: you have packages, but you don't have the _correct_ packages
[04:34] <Echylo> yes
[04:34] <Echylo> play list
[04:34] <mdz> marcin_ant: rather than guessing which one you need, install ubuntu-desktop and then remove the things you don't want
[04:35] <marcin_ant> mdz: the problem is that crrently gnome-desktop on hoary is uninstallable
[04:35] <mz2> how do i make my external usb2 harddrive writeable to my user
[04:35] <marcin_ant> mdz: hmm but I'll try with ubuntu-desktop
[04:35] <mdz> marcin_ant: you don't need gnome-desktop.  ubuntu-desktop
[04:36] <mz2> i tried it with fat and worked fine, then formatted with ext3fs and now i can't write to it
[04:36] <Echylo> no I didn't mean that mdz, I mean a html list of all your songs
[04:37] <marcin_ant> mdz: it there another way to do this?
[04:37] <mdz> to do what?
[04:37] <marcin_ant> mdz: 225 MB to download...
[04:37] <mdz> it's all on the CD
[04:37] <marcin_ant> mdz: add this driver to gnome-cups-manager list
[04:38] <marcin_ant> mdz: I don't have cd for hoary
[04:38] <airox> Somebody should backport libgnomevfs 2.8.3 ...
[04:38] <mdz> marcin_ant: it is a question of whether you spend time downloading, or time searching for the package you need
[04:38] <javiolo> can anyone help me to configure the screen resolution ?
[04:38] <airox> javiolo: Yep, just ask.
[04:39] <marcin_ant> mdz: is there other way to configure printer without gnome-cups-manager?
[04:39] <mdz> I can't tell you which one you need immediately, and don't have time to help you investigate right now
[04:39] <mdz> yes, but that won't address your problem of the driver being missing
[04:39] <marcin_ant> mdz: this driver should install from hpijs
[04:39] <mdz> no, hpijs does not contain drivers for CUPS
[04:39] <mz2> i can't change the uid, gid and umask in /etc/mtab to do it, can i? hotplugd would just change it however it wants whenever i then plug it back in, wouldn't it?
[04:39] <membreya> anyone here got QTParted working?
[04:39] <javiolo> i have a nvidia geforce 2 gts and its installed
[04:40] <javiolo> but now i cant change the resolution
[04:40] <airox> javiolo: Are you experienced with XFree86Config ?
[04:40] <marcin_ant> mdz: then which package contains these drivers?
[04:40] <javiolo> i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:40] <javiolo> and xrandr -q
[04:40] <javiolo> but nothing...
[04:41] <mdz> marcin_ant: <mdz> I can't tell you which one you need immediately, and don't have time to help you investigate right now
[04:41] <mdz> marcin_ant: I have given you the simple answer; that's the best I can do for you at this moment
[04:41] <sic|work> synaptic doesn't seem to want to connect through my proxy...is there a way to just download directly from the repositories?
[04:42] <membreya> sic|work: disable your proxy? :P
[04:42] <sic|work> heheh
[04:42] <sic|work> I wish
[04:42] <sic|work> home office manages it
[04:42] <_devilshit_> hi
[04:42] <_devilshit_> need help with root
[04:42] <membreya> sic|work: the other way to do is it to just look at your source.list and load the repo in your browser :)
[04:42] <Stuttergart_> Anyone having trouble upgrading from Wary to Hoary? When I do an apt-get upgrade I get "I/O errors" and seemingly somer filesystem corruption.
[04:43] <Stuttergart_> I'm running /home and /root in LVM though.
[04:43] <Stuttergart_> but /boot is an ext2 partition.
[04:43] <_devilshit_> trying to log in as root
[04:43] <delltony> upgrading from warty to hoary was a nightmare i had to actually fresh install hoary to get it work
[04:43] <sic|work> repo?
[04:43] <_devilshit_> but dont know the password
[04:43] <coroner> is there any kind of benchmark program or something that i can use to test the difference between the generic nvidia drivers and the latest from the nvidia.com site, to see if there is a performance increase?
[04:43] <Stuttergart_> I didn't realize that there was a hoary install ISO
[04:43] <_devilshit_> i have just installed
[04:44] <membreya> sic|work: in synaptic...go to Setting > Preferences > Network
[04:44] <membreya> and set your proxy there
[04:44] <sic|work> membreya: I already did
[04:44] <membreya> :|
[04:44] <membreya> set the port?
[04:44] <membreya> use 80 :)
[04:44] <delltony> Stuttergart_, look at the top both the livecd iso and the installcd iso are on there.
[04:44] <sic|work> membreya: port is set
[04:44] <_devilshit_> hi want to login as root what is the pass
[04:45] <Stuttergart_> Is the install ISO aka Array 6?
[04:45] <sic|work> devilshit: you don't need a root pass...just do sudo <command you want to run as root>
[04:45] <delltony> thats the image snapshot name
[04:45] <Stuttergart_> ic
[04:45] <delltony> but yes one says install iso and the other is live cd
[04:45] <Stuttergart_> man, I wish DSL was faster in the US. :\
[04:45] <airox> hehe
[04:46] <membreya> what speed Stuttergart_ ?
[04:46] <sic|work> devilshit: When it prompts you for a passwd just use your user password
[04:46] <delltony> speaking of the iso's any idea when ubuntu will start taking orders for the hoary cds?
[04:46] <Stuttergart_> 1.5/386
[04:47] <delltony> i want to get me one of those gold cds ;)
[04:47] <BrianAnthony> can someone tell me how to remove vesafb modules from the kernel? I need to disable frame buffering
[04:47] <Stuttergart_> libapache-mod-php4: Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu3) but 4:4.3.10-2ubuntu4 is to be installed
[04:47] <Stuttergart_> grrr
[04:48] <mz2> does anybody have an idea to my question? it shouldn't be too difficult one at least
[04:48] <mz2> or can i add it to /etc/fstab even? would it still be possible to have it "hotpluggable"
[04:48] <Andre> alguem do brasil??????
[04:48] <Andre> alguem do brasil??????
[04:48] <Andre> alguem do brasil??????
[04:48] <Andre> alguem do brasil??????
[04:50] <sic|work> so is it possible to just mirror the repositories locally?
[04:51] <sic|work> hehe
[04:51] <delltony> yeah there was an article on the forums about that
[04:51] <BrianAnthony> someone please help me ='(
[04:51] <LinuxJones> sic|work, you want to setup a local repository on your local network ?
[04:52] <LinuxJones> sic|work, apt-proxy can do that, if that's what your looking for
[04:52] <sic|work> LinuxJones: Well since I am the only one at my company using ubuntu...local repository on this box I am on right now :)
[04:53] <delltony> yeah im looing for it too i know it was there cause i read it
[04:53] <sic|work> LinuxJones: Synaptic won't work at my work because of our NaziProxy...so I thought maybe I could just download and make the repository available locally
[04:53] <LinuxJones> sic|work, shouldn't you be working on getting the rest of your company using Ubuntu :)
[04:54] <LinuxJones> sic|work, warty ?
[04:54] <sic|work> LinuxJones: I am a sys admin in an AIX shop...but the rest of my site is still on WINNT
[04:54] <nix000> LinuxJones: or just working :-)
[04:54] <LinuxJones> ;)
[04:54] <nix000> i have my (secured) home wifi network and my (securee) work wifi network. anyone has idea how i can configure /etc/network/interfaces so i can disconnect from one and connect to the other ?
[04:54] <membreya> grrr...ANYONE here use QTParted?
[04:55] <mvo> sic|work: what proxy bit does synaptic not understand?
[04:55] <kagou> hi
[04:55] <nix000> i am trying to use virtual interfaces to no avail.
[04:55] <sic|work> mvo: I am not sure what is up...I put our proxy info in, and it won't connect to any of the repositories
[04:55] <sic|work> brb
[04:56] <mvo> sic|work: does apt-get work with the proxy?
[04:56] <LinuxJones> nix000, your work uses dhcp ?
[04:57] <delltony> damn i hate when i can't find something that i know i read not too long ago
[04:57] <Bandit> his boss just walked by :)
[04:57] <nix000> LinuxJones: yes. is that a problem ?
[04:58] <LinuxJones> nix000, if you take your laptop to work and it works fine why doesn't it work when you take it home ?
[04:58] <LinuxJones> nix000, so 1 location uses static ip and 1 uses dhcp ?
[04:58] <_devilshit_> i have tryed that
[04:58] <_devilshit_> want to login as root
[04:58] <_devilshit_> my user is espen and my password on that user is epen
[04:59] <delltony> Stuttergart_, here you go http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7455.html
[04:59] <_devilshit_> espen and that password dont work on root user
[04:59] <nix000> LinuxJones: because the essd/password is different . so iam trying to avoid havind to comment uncomment few lines in /etc/interfaces evry time i move around. if i can do ifup/ifdown on a specific interface that be cool
[04:59] <shock_> narf! is it possible to configure amule NOT to show any *$&$&!!!! porn results?
[04:59] <shock_> *grml
[04:59] <sic|work> mvo: no apt-get is not working with my proxy
[04:59] <Coily> whats the recommended method for installing Fx 1.0.1?
[05:00] <Bandit> _devilshit_ take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:00] <LinuxJones> nix000, argh
[05:00] <welly> got a question about metacity! i understand it's a window manager, correct?
[05:00] <sigglet> Coily: using apt or synaptec
[05:00] <sigglet> what else
[05:00] <LinuxJones> nix000, I suppose you could write a custom script
[05:00] <Coily> sigglet, i mean currently
[05:00] <Bandit> _devilshit_ your welcome ;)
[05:01] <nix000> LinuxJones: maybe i am mistaken but is the virtual interface no able to do that ?
[05:01] <sigglet> same Coily
[05:01] <sigglet> I don't understand your question
[05:01] <Coily> sigglet, has it been added? i dont see it
[05:01] <sigglet> apt-cache search metacity
[05:01] <sigglet> that will tell you
[05:01] <LinuxJones> nix000, I don't use multiple nics atm so I can't say for sure :(
[05:01] <sigglet> or check the forums
[05:01] <sigglet> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:01] <StoffBox-Steve> hey Guys, someone have a reason why i cant ping myself with my Inet ip ?
[05:02] <nix000> LinuxJones: i only have one wifi interface as well.
[05:02] <LinuxJones> nix000, It sounds like an easy fix as I'm sure others have had the same problem.
[05:02] <mvo> sic|work: sounds like a pretty bad proxy to me :)
[05:02] <Coily> whats the currently recommended method for installing Fx 1.0.1?
[05:02] <nix000> LinuxJones: no where to be found on google
[05:02] <LinuxJones> nix000, sorry I wasnt' clear I have never had need to use that
[05:02] <sigglet> root@idaho:~ # apt-cache search metacity
[05:03] <sigglet> libmetacity0 - Common library of lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager
[05:03] <sigglet> metacity - A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager
[05:03] <sigglet> libmetacity-dev - Development files of lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager
[05:03] <sigglet> I have it coily
[05:03] <sigglet> sorry for the paste guys
[05:03] <Coily> sigglet, how did you do it
[05:03] <sic|work> mvo: yes, very bad
[05:03] <sigglet> I just told you coily
[05:03] <welly> ok.. :) thanks
[05:03] <sigglet> apt-cache search metacity
[05:03] <javiolo> can anyone help on my resolution screen
[05:03] <javiolo> ?
[05:03] <sigglet> here is your friend Coily -->> http://ubuntuguide.org/   &   http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[05:04] <sic|work> javiolo: did you just want to change it?
[05:04] <welly> is it then an extension of gtk/gnome?
[05:04] <sic|work> javiolo: Computer-->System Configuration-->Screen Resolution
[05:05] <Coily> sigglet, which repository should i add for 1.0.1
[05:05] <javiolo> sic|work: yep, knew that, but that doesnt work
[05:05] <tanek> any tips of a good program for witing c++ (not very good, need for school work only)
[05:05] <Moiana> wehat is the specific command I should use when upgrading to hoary? (after editing the sources.list) - apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:05] <javiolo> sic|work: also tried xrandr -q but the max is 640x800
[05:05] <thenuke> tanek: so you need a bit bad program idea :) (not very good)
[05:05] <thenuke> =)
[05:06] <tanek> :P
[05:06] <sic|work> javiolo: then you probably don't have the right vid driver
[05:06] <javiolo>  sic|work: just installed the nvidia driver
[05:06] <sic|work> javiolo: your in 800X600 now eh?
[05:06] <tanek> i probably meant me saying "not very good" ;)
[05:07] <thenuke> tanek: how about somekind of prog which sorts strings, like you could input  foo faa, bar foo, foo bar, zoo zuu, and so on .. and it would sort then them alphabetically :o
[05:07] <javiolo>  sic|work:640x480 :(
[05:07] <sic|work> javiolo: did you enable 3d?
[05:07] <goldfish_> javiolo: I had that problem, I googled my computers name and Xfree86.conf, to find a decent conf, and it sorted my resolution fine
[05:07] <sic|work> javiolo: and did you restart X?
[05:07] <tanek> good i idea, but really i meant an ide ;)
[05:07] <tanek> sry :D
[05:07] <javiolo> i have nvidia geforce 2 gts
[05:08] <javiolo>  sic|work: restarted
[05:08] <sic|work> javiolo: and you enabled 3d?
[05:08] <mz2> argh... googling doesn't give anything helpful either
[05:08] <javiolo>  sic|work: dont know how to do that
[05:09] <mz2> i already browsed through stuff from /etc/hotplug related to usb storage device handling with no success
[05:09] <PoW> What's the tar command to gzip+bzip a file?
[05:09] <sic|work> javiolo: to install nvidia:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx  to enable 3d: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:10] <delltony> tar c whateveryouwant | bzip2 -9 > whateverfile.tar.bz2
[05:10] <PoW> thanks
[05:10] <javiolo> sic|work done that before, but ill try again
[05:10] <delltony> np
[05:11] <PoW> where is the directory that you are zipping up defined though?
[05:11] <Frodo> hi again, please be patient, I still cant figure out how to edit the menus in Hoary.  I looked for /urs/share/applications to edit, but it does not exist
[05:11] <PoW> tar c NameOfDir? | bzip2 -9 > whateverfile.tar.bz2
[05:11] <delltony> you specify it like tar c /home/blahblah/* | bzip2 -9 > blahblahdirectory.tar.bz2
[05:11] <PoW> alright
[05:12] <tux_> hey , have a question
[05:12] <tux_> sounds works for films etc,,
[05:12] <tux_> but normal sounds, like opening my home directory etc. action sounds dont
[05:12] <tux_> any solution ?
[05:13] <delltony> Frodo, i made an application that does that if you look on the forums
[05:13] <mz2> suifur, the ubuntu sound theme is quite nice with all the nice little variants of "plop" :)
[05:13] <delltony> what you need to do is the following if you want to do it manually
[05:14] <tux_> ok
[05:14] <tanek> tux_: have u unmarked the start sound server option under computer -> desktop prefrences -> sound
[05:14] <tanek> ?
[05:14] <tux_> tanek, yes
[05:14] <Frodo> dell: thanks I did look on the forums but didnt find  it
[05:14] <delltony> go to that dir you stated /usr/share/applications and then sudo gedit say for instance xine.desktop
[05:14] <tanek> then mark it again
[05:14] <tanek> :S
[05:14] <javiolo> sic|work restarted and the same
[05:14] <delltony> that will give you a template of how its designed
[05:14] <suifur> mz2, i dunno, i dont want my computer making _any_ noise unless its music
[05:14] <suifur> i hate desktop sounds lol
[05:14] <delltony> take and edit that desktop file and save it to something like myicon.desktop or whatever
[05:15] <sic|work> javiolo: Well that taps me out, anyone else know what to do to help javiolo?
[05:15] <delltony> then it will instantly appear under the category you selected for example
[05:15] <delltony> if you set the Category to AudioVideo it will be under Sound and Video
[05:15] <delltony> and Network is for internet
[05:15] <mz2> seriously though, does nobody really have idea of how to set the permissions of a hotplugged usb2 drive with ext3fs (or any fs supporting unix file permissions, that is)??
[05:16] <Frodo> thank you delltony for the correct answer...that is what I needed
[05:16] <delltony> no problem
[05:16] <delltony> you can make your own categories too
[05:17] <delltony> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16699  look there that will give you a general idea of what i done
[05:17] <delltony> its far from complete and could use work but its usuable and does what i wanted it to :)
[05:20] <tux_> right, rebooted again after clicking 'start sound on startup'
[05:20] <tux_> nothing
[05:21] <tux_> now desktop sounds at all
[05:24] <TPC> I run ubuntu on a laptop which supports cpu freqency scaling, and its working, it switches between 60% under small load and 100% under full load.
[05:24] <TPC> but I want it so it has 5 steps: 20%, 40%, 60%, 80%, 100% and goes to the appropiate one. how can I do this?
[05:25] <MaxeyPad> for whatever reason my gterminal freaks out when I ssh to another box and use my console irc client (irssi).  The terminal locks up...any ideas?
[05:25] <TPC> I'm guessing that I could do something temporary in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq, but I want a more permanent solution.
[05:27] <Nermal> TPC, it should do
[05:27] <Nermal> you may have to leave it for a while before it switches to 20%
[05:27] <Nermal> this desktop 2ghz p4 seems to go at 249mhz when idle :|
[05:27] <Nermal> when powernowd is running that is
[05:28] <tux_> im behind a prestige 600 adsl modem, with nat etc..
[05:28] <tux_> how do i open up a port for say openssh
[05:28] <tux_> so say i wanted to login remotely from the outside ?
[05:29] <vIdAr_> Hi, what mouse driver should i choose if i have a USB Mouse, X won't boot because it cant find the mouse.
[05:29] <TPC> Nermal, but /proc/cpufreq says that the minimum value it can go to is 60%, and when I try to change it I get this:
[05:29] <TPC> root@laptop:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq # echo -n 400000 > cpuinfo_min_freq
[05:29] <TPC> bash: cpuinfo_min_freq: Permission denied
[05:31] <TPC> so how do I change this minimum value?
[05:32] <sigglet> TPC: there is a throttle perl script to save power for laptops, I have it if you want it
[05:32] <TPC> sigglet, that would be nice
[05:33] <Echylo> my precious
[05:33] <TPC> thanks
[05:33] <Frodo> delltony: having problems getting php-gtk
[05:33] <Echylo> why is lotr joining?
[05:33] <Echylo> bilbo, frodo
[05:33] <Echylo> btw
[05:33] <Echylo> a program to split mp3's with cue file?
[05:33] <delltony> did you download it from the site ?
[05:33] <BockBilbo> Echylo, what?
[05:34] <Echylo> nvm bockbilbo, two seconds before you frodo joined
[05:34] <wavefunction> g'afternoon.
[05:34] <Frodo> so it is not in the Ubuntu repositories then I take it
 a program to split mp3's with cue file?
[05:36] <Echylo> http://www.google.com
[05:36] <delltony> bingo
[05:36] <delltony> follow the instructions as i gave them it works better that way ;)
[05:36] <wavefunction> I wanna download a kernel source from (www.kernel.org) configure it and just boot within ubuntu. I do know what happens but I always get "Kernel panic - no syncing : VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" :(
[05:36] <wavefunction> s/do/do not
[05:37] <LinuxJones> Anybody else notice that Slashdot doesn't display correctly in Firefox (Hoary) half the time ?
[05:37] <Frodo> dell, shifting gears between Ubuntu world (apt) and slackware (compile) world sometimes is a stretch
[05:37] <Nermal> LinuxJones, long standing problem
[05:38] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, your missing some functionality like ext3 support built into the kernel proper
[05:38] <lunitik> Anyone know where Firestarter saves UI config?
[05:38] <LinuxJones> Nermal, thanks just checking
[05:38] <BockBilbo> Echylo, ll
[05:38] <BockBilbo> ll
[05:38] <BockBilbo> lol
[05:38] <lunitik> (I moved the toolbar... but can't move it back for whatever reason...)
[05:38] <BockBilbo> but.... my nick is not bockbilbo because the lord of the ring
[05:38] <Nermal> LinuxJones, http://www.deftone.com/blogzilla/archives/firefox_and_rendering_slashdot.html
[05:38] <Echylo> ok
[05:38] <Frodo> I dont think I would like to compile anything on Hoary right now, it is too fragile and persnickity
[05:38] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: Hmmm, even If I do not have any ext3 filesystems ? I only have reiserfs.
[05:38] <BockBilbo> bilbo its the name of the city i live in
[05:39] <Echylo> ow :)
[05:39] <Echylo> kewl
[05:39] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, ok do you have reiserfs built into the kernel or as a module ?
[05:39] <BockBilbo> the city is called Bilbao, in spanish, and Bilbo in basque
[05:39] <Echylo> :)
[05:39] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: reiserfs <- built; ext{2,3} <- modules.
[05:40] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, unless your using a init ramdisk you ned to compile it in (not as a module)
[05:40] <LinuxJones> bah...my typing skills are desperate
[05:40] <spacecat> hi all - I'm sorta new to gnome (but loving ubuntu)
[05:41] <LinuxJones> Nermal, it's like it is not displaying the stories at all
[05:41] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: I've just got vanilla source and then : make all && make modules_install. Configured menu.lst (grub).
[05:41] <LinuxJones> spacecat, welcome aboard :)
[05:41] <spacecat> I discovered that usb memory sticks get automounted (mine is mounted now), but can't figure out how to unmount it - umount gives  a 'busy' error, and right-click 'umount volume' gives same error
[05:42] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, let me try to find you a good tutorial to do it the debian way....much better
[05:42] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: I've tried both /dev filesystem mounted/not mounted at boot time.
[05:42] <spacecat> is it ok just to unplug the thing, or do I need to get it unmounted?
[05:42] <spacecat> thx LinuxJones ;)
[05:43] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, >> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm this should work but you will have to replace the kernel-source references with linux-source. Ubuntu uses a different naming scheme on a few things.
[05:44] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: Thanks for your time LinuxJones ! I trying to compile a new kernel just because with the installed one I cannot put my pcmcia/wireless network card to function : "ndiswrapper (ndis_init_one_pci:1458): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device"
[05:44] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, other than that it should work ok. Can I ask why your compiling a custome kernel ?
[05:44] <vIdAr_> Does anybody know what mouse driver i should choose if i have a USB Mouse, X won't boot because it cant find the mouse!
[05:45] <LinuxJones> s/custome/custom
[05:45] <lok> vIdAr_, try with /dev/input/mice
[05:45] <tux__> has anyone set up an openssh server behind nat ?
[05:45] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, what kid of card do you have ?
[05:46] <LinuxJones> I swear to god my hands are dyslexic
[05:46] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: I'll just try it. Thanks again.
[05:46] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, GL
[05:47] <wavefunction> I have a DWL-G650+ (Texas Instruments chipset). I used it with crux linux before trying ubuntu.
[05:47] <spacecat> LinuxJones: very quick q: is it ok to unplug a usb memory stick if it hasn't been properly unmounted ?
[05:47] <lunitik> No one knows where Firestarter puts UI settings? this is really annoying
[05:48] <zenrox> spacecat, ya
[05:48] <zenrox> its safe
[05:48] <spacecat> zenrox: thanks!
[05:48] <zenrox> i have one of thoes and i just pull it out and it will remount when i plug it back in
[05:49] <zenrox> spacecat,  just make shure its done writing files to it before you unplug it
[05:49] <spacecat> zenrox: good to know - just wanna be sure, I've got half a gig of work on that stick (tho most backed up elsewhere).
[05:49] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, according to the hardware compatibility list it should work by default >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/
[05:49] <LinuxJones> spacecat, sorry yeah
[05:50] <prego> I need help! Latest upgrade (hoary) has killed some of my gnome configuration
[05:50] <prego> Am I the only one?
[05:50] <lunitik> Ugh... fixed it myself, thanks a lot for the help guys   :/
[05:50] <spacecat> LinuxJones: np , got an answer from zenrox - uplugged the thing and the lil icon's gone, these automount thingies are spiffy!
[05:51] <zenrox> spacecat,  note that is the only automount that does work
[05:51] <zenrox> in hoary
[05:52] <lunitik> jdub: you took the window manager parts out of clearlooks package?
[05:52] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: I've installed the driver (Installed ndis drivers: gplus   hardware present) but no wlan0 device is present after a "modprobe ndiswrapper". dmesg says "ndiswrapper (ndis_init_one_pci:1458): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device". Have any idea ?
[05:52] <prego> And now, synaptic is configuring things while I am installing Xaos (nothing to do with what it is configuring right now) I'm confused...
[05:53] <spacecat> zenrox - that's ok, I'm used to mounting / umounting anyways, knowing things would be safe for the usbstick was really what I needed - I've just migrated from sid
[05:53] <sebastian> Hi folks
[05:53] <prego> I got an error on the upgrade (ubuntu-artwork package) and it looks like the things have not been configured yet ....
[05:54] <zenrox> spacecat, ya i can under stand that
[05:54] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, check out that sight I posted earlier it appears there are several different sets of instructions depending on the firware your card has
[05:54] <prego> funny it starts configuration at next package install
[05:55] <bluefoxicy> gah
[05:55] <bluefoxicy> I really really have to set squid up again
[05:56] <sebastian> short question
[05:56] <spacecat> zenrox: thx again, goodnite to you ubuntu people - I'll try to come here if I ever get a clue about linux, which is now even less likely having gone from sid to warty ;) you don't have to learn much when it works so nicely as this.
[05:57] <prego> I'll reboot the computer again, after the configuration has been done, to see if everything starts OK...
[05:57] <sebastian> i insert a sd-card into my card reader and gnome asks if I want to import them into my photoalbum
[05:57] <sebastian> I chose yes, but nothing happens
[05:58] <sebastian> can anybody tells me, where to find this photoalbum.
[05:58] <prego> sebastian, do you have gthumb installed?
[05:58] <zenrox> sebastian, look for a new directory on your home
[05:58] <sebastian> yes, german version of ubuntu
[05:58] <MadMortagan> I need some help... I need to know how to remove Ubuntu
[05:59] <prego> sebastian, I prefer using gtkam for my camera. No experience on card readers, though
[05:59] <zenrox> MadMortagan,  repartion it with win98 boot disk then reformat it
[05:59] <LinuxJones> MadMortagan, why do you want to get rid of it ?
[05:59] <MadMortagan> There are no commands from the terminal?
[06:00] <MadMortagan> Because it changed my IP address and made my windows harddrive unable to access the internet
[06:00] <zenrox> MadMortagan,  reboot to pc with a win98 boot disk
[06:00] <LinuxJones> MadMortagan, ubuntu can't do that
[06:00] <MadMortagan> Hmm
[06:00] <MadMortagan> Alright, thanks guys
[06:00] <zenrox> nope it cant
[06:00] <LinuxJones> MadMortagan, it's a windows problem dude
[06:00] <stuNNed> ok after today's updates xorg is still dragging for some reason
[06:00] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  i cloased mind
[06:01] <zenrox> a closed mind
[06:01] <SiRrUs> stuNNed yep so is mine
[06:01] <javiolo> hi, who wass helping me ?
[06:01] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: do the dev's know about it?
[06:01] <zenrox> my xorg in hoary works just fine
[06:01] <LinuxJones> zenrox, the poor guy probably hasn't been computing for very long
[06:01] <prego> stuNNed, don't understand what you are saying... What's the matter?
[06:01] <zenrox> and usung nvidia
[06:01] <sebastian> okay, a gThumb-window starts
[06:02] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  i agree
[06:02] <sebastian> with /media/sdc1/DCIM
[06:02] <SiRrUs> prego refreshes are very slow
[06:02] <prego> SiRrUs, not my case, I guess. - SiS card -
[06:02] <stuNNed> prego: xorg is eating cpu, rendering gnome-terminal, rb, galeon is slow, typing in irssi is slow, mono is eating cpu
[06:02] <sebastian> this is okay, but I want to know, if gThumb copies the pictures to my harddrive into a folder I can specify
[06:03] <SiRrUs> prego have you updated
[06:03] <SiRrUs> today
[06:03] <sebastian> but in my home, there is no new directory, yet
[06:03] <prego> SiRrUs, my update took place but my gconf stuff is broken now
[06:04] <prego> SiRrUs, however, synaptic now is comfiguring each package I installed, so I expect to recover from this stall
[06:04] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: Hmmm, I suppose it was functioning with crux linux 'cause I used 2.6.10 ...
[06:04] <zenrox> prego,  have you done a good reboot
[06:04] <SiRrUs> prego has something to do with xorg 6.8.2
[06:05] <prego> zenrox, yes, but I got an error during installation with ubuntu-artwork package and it looks like the packages were only installed but not configured ????
[06:05] <zenrox> prego, then do a apt-get install ubuntu-artwork
[06:05] <prego> SiRrUs, I don't think so. I've installed many gnome things also
[06:06] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: Once I really don't know what patches the page says (I've "apt-cache search kernel-patch" but could find a related one) I'll try compile 2.6.1(0|1) ...
[06:06] <prego> zenrox, thanks, I'll try prior to next reboot ;-)
[06:06] <SiRrUs> prego yep there is a bug opened on it earlier today
[06:06] <stuNNed> what is the -dev channel?
[06:07] <SiRrUs> stuNNed they are aware :)
[06:07] <prego> SiRruS, thanks... I'll wait to next release ;-)
[06:07] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: ok thanks :D
[06:07] <prego> \me is rebooting right now. bye
[06:07] <zenrox> hoary =devlomental
[06:08] <zenrox> the missspelling is on purpus
[06:08] <delltony> anyone here have a ati radeon card with tv out ? im curious how you set it up with the clone mode it wants the hsync and vsync for the second monitor i have no clue what the refresh rate on my tv is
[06:08] <alastair_> Anyone reported success with the new imac g5's?
[06:09] <Funraiser> when i installed azureus myself in mandrake it look awful, but here in Ubuntu it looks as good as in window$...(?)
[06:09] <zenrox> Funraiser, yep
[06:09] <zenrox> the ubuntu virus strikes agine
[06:09] <zenrox> hehehe
[06:10] <SiRrUs> zenrox ?
[06:10] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: are they any bugs i should add comments to?
[06:10] <SiRrUs> just the refresh rate :)
[06:10] <zenrox> friend of mine just called me after i gave him a copy just installed it today
[06:10] <zenrox> with out help
[06:11] <SiRrUs> brb
[06:11] <benjibenji> My name is Benji, and I'm new to Linux in general. Ubuntu is my first Linux installation, and I'm having trouble installing a new CD/DVD R/RW drive.  Can anyone tell me where to turn for advice?
[06:11] <Funraiser> m0rph is the mod?
[06:11] <wavefunction> bbl
[06:11] <zenrox> benjibenji,  what are you trying to do
[06:12] <zenrox> benjibenji, whats the prob ?? not reconizing it cant use it
[06:13] <bentele> hallo
[06:13] <prego> OK!, I'm back and configuration is now OK ;-)))
[06:13] <zenrox> lol
[06:13] <zenrox> told ya prego
[06:13] <Funraiser> maybe he has troubles wiring it?
[06:13] <prego> damned ubuntu-artwork package :-)
[06:13] <zenrox> lol
[06:13] <prego> zenrox, thanks :-))))))
[06:14] <prego> Attention Hoary guys: DO NOT CHOOSE ubuntu-artwork for update
[06:14] <goldfish_> lol
[06:14] <prego> (or if you do, check it is the only package you choose to)
[06:14] <zenrox> prego, i have that installed and i dont have a prob with it
[06:14] <prego> zenrox, today's?
[06:14] <zenrox> prego,  it was yesterdays
[06:15] <prego> zenrox, then do not update any soon ;-)
[06:15] <SiRrUs> prego must be like the refresh problem
[06:16] <evarlast> what to say why?  I'll go run it right now to find out.
[06:16] <zenrox> prego, i can probly get around it i like chalanges
[06:16] <benjibenji> Zenrox, well I bought a 1.6 GHz computer with a 40 G HD, and wiped it clean to install Ubuntu.  After Ubuntu installation, i removed the two CD roms from the box and installed a new NEC CD/DVD R/RW.  It's jumpers are set to master, and it reads just fine.  I've tried to burn a CD using the  cant, however, select the drive when attempting to burn a CD using the "CD Creator" option in the file browser, but I only get "disk image" as an output loc
[06:16] <prego> SiRrUs, however, Xorg is working fine (AFAIK) and was working also OK...
[06:17] <SiRrUs> what version do you have
[06:17] <zenrox> benjibenji,  try getting a difent burning progam like k3b or the like
[06:17] <tritium> prego, the problem with artwork was fixed yesterday
[06:17] <tritium> prego, are you sure you did a recent update?
[06:17] <zenrox> tritium,  thats what i thought too
[06:17] <prego> tritium, I'll check it... however synaptic has just blowed up !!!
[06:18] <zenrox> prego,  use ubuntu updater
[06:18] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:18] <prego> ubuntu updater???
[06:18] <zenrox> prego,  its called ubuntu update manger
[06:19] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:19] <prego> zenrox, you are kidding, aren't you?
[06:19] <zenrox> nope
[06:19] <SiRrUs> prego lol no hes not
[06:19] <benjibenji> Zenrox, I have Grip, XCDRoast, and Sound Juicer CD Ripper.  Is the software you suggested the only option I have to correct the problem?  I use a modem connection, so lengthly downloads are undesirable.
[06:20] <zenrox> benjibenji, ya thats true but k3b does work for me
[06:20] <zenrox> xcdroast is broke in the 2.6 kernel
[06:20] <prego> well, Which is the *right* ubuntu-artork , then? because I have installed 0.2.17-2 and avaiable 0.2.18-1
[06:21] <prego> zenrox, you mean "update-manager" package?
[06:22] <zenrox> yep
[06:22] <benjibenji> Zenrox, thanks for the advice.  I'll install the software and see what happens.
[06:22] <zenrox> benjibenji,  no problum
[06:22] <prego> benjibenji, don't forget to try graveman
[06:23] <benjibenji> Peace, love, and mountains.  Stop Mountain Top Removal Coal Mining in Appalachia, USA
[06:23] <benjibenji> Zenrox, what is graveman
[06:23] <prego> benjibenji, is a gnome based CD recording tool
[06:23] <zenrox> benjibenji,  another burrning app
[06:24] <prego> benjibenji, not so complete as K3b but perhaps easier to install (lower uninstalled dependencies in ubuntu)
[06:26] <Welly> Hey all
[06:26] <LordC> Can anyone give me a comparison of Ubuntu vs Slackware? =)
[06:27] <Welly> is there and alternative i suppose task/application switcher than the task bar you get as default at the bottom of the screen?
[06:27] <J20> Hiya how to I upgrade to hoary from warty?
[06:27] <LinuxJones> LordC, Ubuntu is a Gnome based derivative of Debian
[06:28] <LordC> Yeah i know this. But i want to know benefits of moving to Ubuntu from Slackware
[06:28] <SiRrUs> LordC no more compiles
[06:28] <LinuxJones> LordC, it has awesome package mangement system, timely updates and excellent community
[06:28] <LordC> And does VMware work? =)
[06:28] <bentele> hallo bin wieder da danke mit dem tip!
[06:28] <J20> Anyone know how to upgrade to hoary?
[06:28] <zenrox> j20 go look in the fourms
[06:29] <LinuxJones> LordC, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware
[06:30] <benjibenji> Thanks for your help all.  I'll be back with more questions I'm sure.   Peace.
[06:30] <LinuxJones> cya
[06:32] <prego> zenrox, I'm in conflict with gnome-backgrounds package... I don't know when I installed that package and where from... ??? but after removal I've been able to install ubuntu-artwork. However apt should have detected that, isn't it?
[06:33] <goldfish_> wb javiolo
[06:34] <prego> Is latest kernel on hoary safe?
[06:34] <sic|work> javiolo: seeing things in 1024X768 yet?
[06:34] <crimsun> prego: 2.6.10-4-arch? yes
[06:34] <javiolo> yep
[06:34] <javiolo> everything works ok
[06:35] <sic|work> what fixed it?
[06:35] <javiolo> but when i try to use synaptic
[06:35] <javiolo> oh no
[06:35] <javiolo> now works
[06:35] <javiolo> :0
[06:35] <jared> anyone just update their amd64 ubuntu hoary, and have it die on you?
[06:35] <drspin> how can I use a different resolution than 640x480?
[06:35] <sic|work> what fixed your resolution?  just so I can remmember your fix for future reference
[06:36] <javiolo> drspin that take me a headache
[06:36] <drspin> heh - yeah - I've tried the simple dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to no avail
[06:36] <Welly> other than terminal ftp, is there a graphical ftp program anyone recommends?
[06:36] <javiolo> drspin check system conf
[06:37] <LinuxJones> Welly, gftp
[06:37] <Welly> ok cool
[06:37] <jared> gftp
[06:37] <Welly> cheers!
[06:37] <drspin> Welly: firefox has an ftp plugin called fireftp
[06:37] <Welly> drspin: yeah, i saw that and wasn't 100% impressed with it. but it could have been an early version
[06:38] <farruinn> Welly: using nautilus for ftp isn't working?
[06:38] <Welly> farruinn, i didn't know it could! sorry, this is my 2nd day with linux/ubuntu
[06:39] <Echylo> anyone has a program to split mp3's with(cue file) ??
[06:39] <drspin> ok - so fixing my resolution
[06:39] <maccorin> what package do i need to install for rhythmbox to have an mp3 plugin?
[06:40] <goldfish_> drspin: what computer you got?
[06:40] <farruinn> Welly: yup =) just go to File>Connect to Server in a nautilus window and you'll be presented with a bunch of options
[06:40] <drspin> maccorin: gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:40] <Welly> cool, see it now!
[06:40] <LinuxJones> Echylo, can you load the mp3's in a piece of editing software like audacity then split them ?
[06:40] <drspin> goldfish_: dual celeron processors with a 3dfx card on a 17" monitor
[06:40] <goldfish_> oh right
[06:41] <tizen> Hey, I'm trying to get quake2 to work... And it's missing ref_softx and apt-cache search doesn't give me any clues to where that might be found... I think it's supposed to be part of the quake2 package but it's not
[06:41] <drspin> goldfish_: I just updated to Hoary -- and bam no resolution anymore -- my xorg.conf is right
[06:41] <goldfish_> tizen: tried searching using synaptic?
[06:42] <maccorin> drspin: ty
[06:42] <tizen> goldfish_: yup
[06:42] <jeff_> tizen, do a google on it. you may want to d/l a 3rd party softx
[06:42] <drspin> maccorin: np
[06:42] <sic|work> drspin: I think javiolo just had that problem....have you tried reinstalling the driver?
[06:42] <tizen> ok
[06:42] <brus> how do i change to swedish keymap in xchat?
[06:42] <drspin> which driver?
[06:42] <tizen> And am I wrong to think I should be using gl and not softx?
[06:42] <sic|work> drspin: vid
[06:43] <javiolo> i did everything thats possible hehe
[06:43] <sic|work> what finally fixed you up jav?
[06:43] <javiolo> i edited XF86Config-4
[06:43] <javiolo> in screen
[06:43] <sic|work> ahh...like goldfish suggested
[06:43] <javiolo> i typed default screen
[06:44] <dazed_> goldfish!
[06:44] <javiolo> deleted the model of my screen
[06:44] <jeff_> tizen if your 3d accel works then use gl
[06:44] <goldfish_> hey dazed_
[06:44] <javiolo> and added in modes "1024x768"
[06:44] <dazed_> did u hear what i did?
[06:44] <Funraiser> somebody knows how to use wine?
[06:44] <Echylo> LinuxJones, I'll check it ou
[06:44] <sic|work> I think you can put whatever your highest desireable resolution is
[06:44] <goldfish_> dazed_: nope
[06:45] <prego> Funraiser, easy, open the bottle and serve a good cup ;-) (sorry I don't know really)
[06:45] <sic|work> like I run 1280 X 1024
[06:45] <zenrox> i like to run at 1600x1200
[06:45] <Funraiser> yeah there a file called winemaker too
[06:45] <Funraiser> so nobody for wine?
[06:45] <dazed_> goldfish_: i some how managed to set my desktop manager as xdm...so i came here and i edit my deskmanager file....i changed to gdm...comp boots up gdm boots up..i cant log into any session not even the failsafe..it kicks me out before i get in...i had to format and reinstal
[06:45] <sic|work> my monitor is older on that box so 1280X1024 is the most it will handle without bending the edges
[06:46] <prego> Funraiser, I've tried some times but with not so good results...
[06:46] <goldfish_> dazed_: ouch :/
[06:46] <dazed_> yeah
[06:46] <prego> Funraiser, I lost my interest in the meantime, though
[06:46] <javiolo> guys let me change to my ubuntu, now im on mac os x :P
[06:46] <Funraiser> i think it works well i u burn the soft on a cd and then open it with wine
[06:47] <acidmaxd> Funraiser: apt-get install winesetuptk
[06:47] <Funraiser> what is it?
[06:47] <Funraiser> tk?
[06:47] <acidmaxd> a graphical program for wine configuration
[06:47] <drspin> sic|work: is the 3dfx driver in the repos?
[06:48] <Funraiser> ok
[06:48] <sic|work> drspin: dunno, I use NVIDIA  :)
[06:48] <goldfish_> dazed_: when i first started, I had o reinstall loads of times :)
[06:48] <prego> I'm going to try the new kernel... see you all.
[06:48] <dazed_> lol
[06:49] <dazed_> thats not very  reassuring
[06:49] <dazed_> lol
[06:49] <jesus\> say euh
[06:49] <drspin> sic|work: as do I on this box -- but the dual processor I wanted to play with some 3dfx stuff
[06:49] <jesus\> today in school i worked with a flatscreen
[06:49] <airox> Let us all pray for prego :)
[06:49] <jesus\> and i rotated it 90
[06:49] <jesus\> and i also rotated the image
[06:49] <jesus\> which gave me a screen much higher than wide
[06:49] <plx> how do use the special keys on a logitech itouch keyboard? (volume control and stuff..)
[06:49] <jesus\> that rocks for programmling and webbrowsing
[06:49] <jesus\> is it possible in linux?
[06:50] <drspin> plx: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[06:50] <bur[n] er> it's possible
[06:50] <drspin> also if you use XMMS there's a plugin that enables them
[06:50] <thux> Hi, first I got editor called vi or vim, then I took some updates and now it starts with command vim.org?
[06:51] <plx> drspin: thanks! that's perfect..
[06:51] <Welly> am i just the lucky one or did anyone else get a message from ms_immortasinger saying "hi"?
[06:51] <Funraiser> do i have to reboot after the install of winesetupkt?
[06:51] <drspin> plx: no problem
[06:51] <acidmaxd> Funraiser: no
[06:51] <Welly> and then when i replied, i got no answer :-/
[06:51] <Funraiser> cool
[06:51] <Echylo> isn't 3Ddesktop the solution jesus
[06:51] <Echylo> damn why are there so much jesus' in here?
[06:52] <dazed_> i have a speach in about an hour...i should work on it
[06:52] <jesus\> :)
[06:52] <dazed_> lol
[06:52] <dazed_> but im nt
[06:52] <jesus\> you mean java looking glass thingie?
[06:52] <drspin> *yawn* updates take forever
[06:53] <neighborlee> Echylo, the rapture is upon us
[06:53] <Funraiser> ahem...when I "sh wine" it says no such file now...
[06:53] <dazed_> goldfish_: i got fluxbox 0.9.12 though...i got EVERYTHING working...sept the backgrounds...its like they hate me or something
[06:53] <Welly> where do you set the colours for the terminal window?
[06:54] <Welly> ah ha.. i see
[06:54] <goldfish_> dazed_: lol
[06:54] <Welly> don't tell me :)
[06:54] <Welly> ooh.. no i tell a lie.. i can see where i set the colours but not for what
[06:55] <maccorin> new kernel boot, brb
[06:55] <Welly> ok.. i give up. my .html files are in green when i do an ls in the terminal window
[06:55] <Welly> how do i change that to something else?
[06:56] <Ribs> delete them :>
[06:56] <Welly> i'm not doing that! :D
[06:56] <bwlang_> welly: it's because they're marked executable... chmod a-x *.html to mark them un-executable
[06:56] <Ribs> check you don't have them executable
[06:56] <goldfish_> Welly: remove the colur ls option in ~/.bashrc
[06:56] <airox> delete colorls
[06:57] <tizen> If I want to find out who the package head is for a package how do I do that?
[06:57] <Welly> i don't mind them being executable, i just mind them being bright green :)
[06:57] <Welly> thanks goldfish!
[06:57] <bwlang_> anybody know where /dev/log comes from?  dpkg -S does not find it
[06:57] <dazed_> goldfish_ do uknow anything about alien?? for installing rpms?
[06:58] <tizen> bwlang_: syslogd?
[06:58] <goldfish_> dazed_: nope
[06:58] <goldfish_> dazed_: sorry
[06:59] <bwlang_> dazed_: alien is useful to give you a start on repackaging something... but it can mess things up so be very careful
[06:59] <tritium> Welly, you really should make them not executable.  Changing the color option isn't quite the right approach.
[06:59] <lunitik> bwlang_: uhh... alien doesn't make you repackage anything  :/
[06:59] <lunitik> Or at least doesn't show you any of that process
[07:00] <Wolven> can some one kick/ban ms_immortasinger ? He/she is annoying me on priv
[07:00] <Ribs> Wolven: /ignore him/her
[07:00] <lunitik> Wolven: just /ignore them
[07:00] <goldfish_> Wolven: /ignore
[07:00] <Welly> Wolven, i had that too
[07:00] <Wolven> k done
[07:00] <bwlang_> lunitik: sure it does... you just have to tell it to leave everything hanging around ... then you can use what it does to get you started making a deb
[07:00] <Welly> she just said hello and then didn't respond when i replied
[07:01] <bwlang_> tizen: could be from syslogd... dunno.  I got a report from tigercron warning me that it's world writable
[07:01] <Funraiser> i downloaded a soft that i want to burn on a cd. The files are zipped, and when i unzip it, i see all the dll and .exe. Do I have to make an iso of those files to make it bootable or i can just burn thoses files on a cd directly?
[07:01] <lunitik> bwlang_: uhh... how would you tell it to do that? all I see in the man page is how to turn one package format into another...
[07:02] <bwlang_> lunitik : -g
[07:03] <dand> anyone here translated ubuntu-specific menu items? (gnome-panel patches)
[07:04] <Funraiser> nobody knows?
[07:04] <lunitik> bwlang_: ahh... the Options section wasn't there last time I looked at this
[07:04] <lunitik> bwlang_: else I was just blind...
[07:04] <mikep> test
[07:06] <Alessio> anyone that use xmame?
[07:06] <Alessio> or gxmame?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> nope
[07:06] <bur[n] er> i use zsnes though ;)
[07:06] <Alessio> :D
[07:06] <Alessio> good emu
[07:06] <goldfish_> zsnes is great
[07:06] <Alessio> i dont' have any roms for znes
[07:06] <bur[n] er> wish there was an nes emulator that was up to snuff
[07:07] <lunitik> bur[n] er: know where to get Yoshii's island for that?  I used to love that game  :(
[07:07] <goldfish_> lol
[07:07] <lunitik> bur[n] er: care to hook a brother up?  :P
[07:07] <Alessio> uhm i have roms for mame
[07:07] <bretzel> yeah, I would love to know where can we get ROMs games for snes ...
[07:07] <Alessio> but gxmame doesn't find them
[07:07] <drspin> should I activate GLcore in my xorg.conf?
[07:07] <Alessio> the patha is good
[07:08] <Alessio> *path
[07:09] <LinuxJones> drspin, are you using a nvidia card ?
[07:09] <drspin> yes
[07:09] <LinuxJones> drspin, and the nvidia binary drivers ?? if so comment it out
[07:09] <drspin> LinuxJones: I don't have the nvidia installed...
[07:10] <lunitik> bur[n] er: there used to be a few around... last time I used zsnes I found a few... but I can't find any right now  :(
[07:10] <drspin> LinuxJones: just updated from warty to hoary and I can't use anything but 640x480
[07:10] <Funraiser> who told me to install the winesetuptk...it's done
[07:10] <drspin> I have nearly 300 snes roms :)
[07:10] <drspin> and I reccomend snes9x
[07:10] <lunitik> drspin: Yoshii's Island wouldn't happen to be one?
[07:11] <drspin> not sure...
[07:11] <Funraiser> what i do with this winesetuptk?
[07:11] <Xenguy> ms_immortasinger: Do not /msg me again, or you'll be permanently /ignored
[07:11] <LinuxJones> drspin, there are some pains with xorg. I moved my xf86config-4 and renamed it to xorg.conf (after backing up of course)
[07:11] <lunitik> Funraiser: dpkg -L | grep bin
[07:11] <Funraiser> what does that do?
[07:11] <tritium> Funraiser, winetools are better
[07:11] <lunitik> Funraiser: lists binary files installed by the package
[07:12] <tritium> Funraiser, http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[07:12] <lunitik> Funraiser: dpkg -L winesetuptk | grep bin  <-- what I actually meant  *nods*
[07:12] <drspin> LinuxJones: YAY! it worked :)
[07:12] <Funraiser> k
[07:12] <drspin> LinuxJones: thanks!
[07:12] <LinuxJones> drspin, :)
[07:13] <LinuxJones> drspin, it's not the best solution but it works
[07:13] <BWGames> can anyone recommend a program to capture video on ubuntu? can get it to play in xawtv etc fine, just need to capture it
[07:13] <BWGames> (pref consolebased)
[07:13] <LinuxJones> BWGames, from a dv cam ?
[07:13] <Funraiser> in usr/bin
[07:13] <BWGames> LinuxJones: no, capture card
[07:14] <Funraiser> lunitk it lists usr/bin/winesetup
[07:15] <spleenPOT> does anyone knows why when i try to install packages from synaptic it say Errors were encountered while processing:locales, lsb, ubuntu-destop?
[07:15] <BWGames> anyone?
[07:15] <spleenPOT> :(
[07:15] <Funraiser> ohhh....it makes a partition
[07:16] <trotsky> gaah, my sound doesn't work!
[07:16] <spleenPOT> it seem tha that is a problem whit locas settins?
[07:16] <thisfred> BWGames: something like MythTV would be overkill I guess...?
[07:16] <BWGames> thisfred: have played with mythtv, and its good, but a bit overkill yes, especially as i just want to record stuff, not at specific times etc
[07:18] <tritium> Funraiser, no, it doesn't
[07:18] <Funraiser> well kind off, no?
[07:18] <lunitik> spleenPOT: apt-get install each individual, will give a little better insight
[07:19] <lunitik> Funraiser: run that?
[07:19] <lunitik> Funraiser: just type 'winesetup'
[07:19] <Funraiser> yes i think it's done
[07:19] <tritium> Funraiser, winetools is going to be in universe.  I recommend that over winesetuptk anyday.
[07:19] <spleenPOT> i'll try
[07:20] <Funraiser> too late
[07:20] <Funraiser> will see
[07:20] <lunitik> Funraiser: should create a .wine/c   or .fakec or somesuch... ls -a
[07:20] <Funraiser> did a fake
[07:20] <lunitik> Funraiser: cool... now just try installing a windows application via 'wine the.exe
[07:20] <lunitik> '
[07:21] <netmonk> someone using usb-ir under ububntu?
[07:21] <tritium> lunitik, winetools will get him working with many more applications
[07:22] <lunitik> tritium: eh... no one wants sol.exe and friends  :/
[07:22] <Funraiser> u mean i right click the .exe and i choose open with wine?
[07:22] <tritium> lunitik, it's not about that
[07:22] <prego> OK, I'm back. he he. With the latest Hoary update, the gnome menu icon now works better since it includes the "places" and "system" entries :-)) (no more menu at my laptop)
[07:23] <Funraiser> that .exe is in a folder not on a cd, is it ok?
[07:23] <bretzel> Wow... 111 updates
[07:23] <lunitik> tritium: winetools won't help him any... just takes up disk space  :/
[07:23] <Welly> am I right in thinking that metacity is installed by default with ubuntu?
[07:23] <tck> has anyone set up an openSSH server behind nat ?
[07:23] <lunitik> Welly: uhh, yeah
[07:23] <maccorin> tck: yes
[07:23] <tck> maccorin, cool, going to pick your brains, can i pm you ?
[07:23] <tritium> lunitik, it can install applications that will fail to install with winesetuptk
[07:23] <maccorin> just forward to port 22 and it should work
[07:23] <Welly> lunitik, sorry.. am pretty new with this and am trying to get my head round all the terms and that
[07:24] <maccorin> errr... forward port 22
[07:24] <maccorin> at the router
[07:24] <maccorin> to the ssh box
[07:24] <maccorin> tck: why don't you just ask in here?
[07:24] <trotsky> i810_audio doesn't work
[07:24] <trotsky> !
[07:26] <prego> nautilus does not explore windows network, since I don't remember when. Any clues?
[07:26] <tritium> Funraiser, what application are you trying to install?
[07:26] <Funraiser> photoshop
[07:26] <tritium> Funraiser, that will fail with the setup from winesetuptk
[07:26] <Funraiser> actually i'm trying to see if wine works nicely or not
[07:27] <tritium> Funraiser, this guy is setting up winetools in ubuntu:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ScottRitchie
[07:27] <Funraiser> and i choose photoshop out of the blue
[07:27] <prego> tck, you may also "throw" a reverse tunnel...
[07:27] <gand> hello
[07:27] <[m0rph] > hi, is there a option so that the window list uses the whole available space?
[07:27] <tritium> Funraiser, and winetools can specifically install Photoshop 7.0 (there's an interface option to do so)
[07:28] <tritium> Funraiser, lunitik is a little mistaken about winetools
[07:28] <prego> [m0rph] , use expanded panel and chose a large number of maximum space
[07:28] <Funraiser> ok
[07:29] <drspin> hi
[07:29] <nix000> anyone use whereami here ?
[07:29] <Funraiser> you mean about winesetuptk?
[07:30] <[m0rph] > prego: thx
[07:30] <gand> Can I install VLC mediaplayer on ppc?
[07:31] <tritium> Funraiser, I mean about winetools
[07:32] <tritium> Funraiser, here's a screenshot from winetools.  You'll notice that you can install Photoshop 7.0 with it:  http://mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu/~rimbert/winetools.png
[07:33] <Funraiser> all right thanks
[07:33] <tritium> you're welcome
[07:35] <tvaughan> Hi all - I'm putting together a system based on one of VIA's mini-itx boards.  Is there anywhere I can get info on Ubuntu's compatibility with it?  Searching ubuntulinux.org for epia or itx doesn't give any results
[07:35] <maccorin> is there any interest in a special laptop kernel package?
[07:36] <Loiosh> Hewwo again, Suzy =)
[07:36] <Loiosh> tvaughan: I'd suggest trying the U-Live CD if you cannot find any information.
[07:37] <tritium> tvaughan, what are you building?  mythtv box or something special?
[07:37] <tvaughan> Loiosh: thanks, I'll give it a shot.
[07:37] <tvaughan> tritium: nothing special really, just a standard desktop box.  Although I have considered mythtv
[07:37] <suzyq> Loiosh: hi. i got the user up and going. his windows parition had been marked as Hidden.  so, I had him unhide it in grub, and now his dual boot works fine.
[07:37] <Alessio> but gxmame doesn't find roms and the path is good
[07:37] <tritium> tvaughan, I'm using it now.  I love it.
[07:38] <suzyq> Loiosh, karsten_: thx for your pointers yesterday.
[07:38] <tvaughan> tritium: yeah, it could be interesting.  Not sure if I'll have room in the case for many PCI cards though
[07:39] <tritium> tvaughan, I hope you'll come back and report on your experience with the mini-itx board :)
[07:40] <vIdAr_> Anyone know where to get Infosmart Wlan driver? i cant get it to work.
[07:40] <tvaughan> tritium: If everything works ok then definitely.  I'll probably try Fedora core 3 as well
[07:40] <tritium> tvaughan, cool
[07:40] <StoffBox-Steve> hi guys, i friend hav a prob, this is on warty and what to use his At-ar215 USB DSL modem to dealup, Ubuntu Know the Modem and shows it up in the system but he cant make a dealup concetion ,, any ideas ?
[07:40] <tvaughan> tritium: I already have warty on an old throwaway PC and I've been really impressed so far.
[07:41] <tritium> tvaughan, glad to hear it :)
[07:41] <Stuttergart> who do I contact about problems with the Array 6 ISO?
[07:41] <bretzel> oh! uh... What are the params in fstab to be able to READ ntfs partition ? "defaults" is not sufficiant, normal users cannot read ...
[07:42] <spades> bretzel: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:42] <Loiosh> You're welcome, Suz =)
[07:42] <bretzel> spades: thnx ... gong there..
[07:43] <Loiosh> YAY! Glad to hear everythings going better
[07:43] <LordC> Why are all guides sudo based, is there no option for su in Ubuntu?
[07:43] <zenrox> LordC, sudo is better then su
[07:43] <tvaughan> LordC: I think the root account is disabled by default in Ubuntu.  It's like Mac OS X in that respect
[07:44] <spades> LordC: i think the mentality is newbies are afraid of root, i usually su and do the normal stuff
[07:44] <LordC> So i can activate root somehow, and use su as usual?
[07:44] <beowuff> Is root really disabled by default? I was thinking of trying Ubuntu, but I may have to rethink if this is the case...
[07:44] <Loiosh> Just su
[07:44] <masterShake> once again.... new kernel
[07:44] <zenrox> yes
[07:44] <masterShake> bbiab
[07:44] <Loiosh> It'll work =)
[07:44] <spades> LordC: sudo passwd root and set a pass
[07:45] <LordC> I noticed that in most reviews of Ubuntu I have just read on LQorg, the CONS section always says "sudo"
[07:45] <zenrox> then su will work just fine
[07:45] <LordC> Thanks spades
[07:45] <zenrox> LordC,  thats cause some one dont under stand the powr sudo gives
[07:46] <sic|afk> sup loiosh?
[07:46] <Loiosh> Hey sic =)
[07:46] <LordC> but typing it repeatedly is more annoying than one simple su?
[07:46] <Loiosh> Just on lunch break, reading about google
[07:47] <vIdAr_> Can anybody help me with wlan settings in ubuntu???
[07:47] <bretzel> spades: How can I forget that simple setup ..!!!!! read: I am silly and getting hold! :-P
[07:48] <beowuff> would that be bold or old?
[07:48] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: ping
[07:49] <wildcatj> I've loaded the OS several times now and everytime after the updates are complete and it goes into Gnome, my screen goes black and stays black.  My system doesn't lock up...just no display.  Any ideas?
[07:49] <Loiosh> If you press ctrl+alt+f3 do you see anything, wild?
[07:49] <Loiosh> Like a login prompt?
[07:50] <tritium> wildcatj, don't keep reinstalling.  You probably just need to configure your xserver.
[07:50] <wildcatj> I'll try that.  It just seems funny that I see that it says going to Gnome and then just blacks out.
[07:52] <beowuff> Is there a bouncing cow screen saver available?
[07:52] <m00se> hello
[07:52] <tritium> beowuff, yes
[07:53] <trotsky> i810_audio doesn't give me any sound
[07:53] <m00se> i can't find java ant binary package for hoary (only libant1.[56] -java)
[07:53] <beowuff> K. My gfriend needs her laptop reloaded (running SuSE) and I was looking for alts. Here one stipulation is it must have the bouncing cow :-)
[07:53] <m00se> but it doesn't provide /usr/bin/ant :(
[07:53] <spades> beowuff: copy the screensaver over?
[07:54] <beowuff> spades, nah, I'll see if it's there first. Tritium said it was. Otherwise, I'll see if I can just download it somewhere.
[07:54] <tritium> beowuff, it's here.  I'm looking at it now.
[07:55] <spades> beowuff: i have it listed but no preview
[07:55] <trotsky> How do I remove a module that is running?
[07:56] <trotsky> modprobe says:FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use.
[07:57] <vIdAr_> Hi! I have a problem with my Wlan settings, my Infosmart Wlan Card shows up as ath0, and i the signal strength is showing as 86%. But i have no connection to the network? can anybody please help me?
[08:00] <padlefot_> hi, anybody know howto get my wlan working? it says there is "activity" but i cant reach my access point, nor can I activate "ath0".. anybody?
[08:00] <CarlK> ath?
[08:00] <wildcatj> loiosh-  still no luck.  I saw the login prompt briefly but ctrl-alt-f3 didn't work
[08:00] <AndyR> lo all
[08:01] <padlefot_> CarlK, it says so
[08:01] <padlefot_> ath0, whould be wlan0?
[08:01] <padlefot_> *should
[08:02] <CarlK> i have only seen eth and wlan - but I am no expert
[08:02] <jk> mine is ath0 too...should work fine
[08:02] <padlefot_> jk, what did you do to configure it?
[08:02] <jk> padlefot_: well, i didn't use the System -> Administration -> Networking dialog
[08:02] <padlefot_> hehe..
[08:03] <padlefot_> well if you didn't, then?
[08:03] <padlefot_> would you mind helping me out?
[08:03] <jk> padlefot_: do you use WEP encryption?
[08:03] <padlefot_> ;)
[08:03] <jk> padlefot_: sure
[08:03] <padlefot_> nope
[08:03] <jk> ok, that should be easy
[08:03] <jk> let's see
[08:03] <padlefot_> no passwords, no nothing
[08:03] <jk> you do use dhcp?
[08:04] <padlefot_> but i cant get an IP from the DHCP
[08:04] <padlefot_> yerp
[08:04] <jk> ok
[08:04] <padlefot_> and it doesnt wanna "activate" when i use dhcp
[08:04] <padlefot_> it does if i configure it manually though, but still no wlan
[08:04] <padlefot_> :S
[08:04] <jk> somehow the dialog doesn't work for me as well
[08:04] <jk> so i wrote a small shell script
[08:04] <jk> anyway
[08:04] <padlefot_> and it constantly says i have like 70 to 80 % activity
[08:05] <padlefot_> in the "wireless network monitor gnome app thing" :P
[08:05] <jk> basically you need to run a few commands in the terminal:
[08:05] <padlefot_> ok??
[08:05] <jk> sudo iwconfig ath0 mode managed
[08:05] <jk> sudo dhclient ath0
[08:06] <jk> i even think the first command is unnessesary
[08:06] <jk> as you do have a wlan status
[08:06] <padlefot_> thanx alot mate=) ill check it out
[08:07] <jk> padlefot_: you run warty?
[08:13] <Chris_> whats the difference between Warty Warthog and Hoary Hedgehog
[08:13] <Chris_> im running Warty
[08:13] <Welly> one's a warthog and the other a hedgehog.. it's obvious
[08:14] <jk> Hoary Hedgehog is currently in development, it will be the next release
[08:14] <Chris_> so, its a public beta im guessing?
[08:15] <Myrtti> sort of
[08:15] <airox> When I try to install aterm it wants to delete a numerous lists of packages, how could this be possible ?
[08:18] <Ma1> I just found a *bug* in the shares manager in hoary
[08:19] <tritium> airox, probably conflicts with something you have installed, or one of its dependencies does
[08:19] <drspin> if I have an NFS share and an SMB share for the same folder... whichever one was created first is the only one that I can edit options for
[08:20] <airox> tritium: Would I be able to force the install
[08:20] <airox> ?
[08:20] <airox> Cause otherwise it would delete things like gnome and firefox ... :S
[08:20] <tritium> airox, you would, but that's generally not wise
[08:20] <tritium> airox, I would advise against it
[08:20] <pagefault> anyone having problems with gnome with the latest update on hoary eg: not able to change themes
[08:21] <devdude> ubuntu!
[08:22] <airox> hehe
[08:23] <tritium> airox, oh my Hoary box, installing aterm would not remove anything at all
[08:23] <airox> apt-get -f install also wants a lot to be removed
[08:24] <tritium> airox, then you've got broken dependencies
[08:24] <airox> Hmm, synaptic is indeed complaining about 1 broken dependencies
[08:25] <goldfish_> Does ubuntu have GTK+-2.0 installed?
[08:25] <tritium> goldfish_, yes
[08:25] <goldfish_> k
[08:26] <airox> found it
[08:26] <airox> it's libgnomevfs
[08:27] <awstott> Loiosh from what I hear xp 64bit doesn't have very good driver support lately
[08:27] <airox> It seems it's a hoary package but I'm running wary
[08:27] <airox> warty ...
[08:27] <Chrizack> Hi, Im trying to install Azureus, and to make the client launch when I download a torrent I have to go to File Browser: Internet
[08:27] <Chrizack> can someone point me to where that is
[08:28] <airox> How would I replace the package with the warty one ?
[08:29] <spleenPOT> Help! synaptic and apt-get error: does someone knows how to fix it??? please warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "it_IT", LC_ALL =(unset),        LANG = "it"
[08:29] <airox> nm, i have found how :)
[08:29] <airox> dpkg -i :S
[08:29] <spleenPOT> then  Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:32] <goldfish_> em
[08:33] <Chrizack> Does anyone run Azureus or any time of program that needs File Explorer?
[08:33] <Chrizack> I cant find where it is
[08:33] <Chrizack> File Browser: Internet
[08:33] <Chrizack> thats what I need
[08:34] <airox> You mean in the menu ?
[08:34] <goldfish_> Chrizack: I run azureus
[08:34] <airox> I to.
[08:35] <goldfish_> u mean nautilus
[08:35] <goldfish_> ?
[08:35] <Chrizack> I need to edit someting so when I get a torrent it comes up as default
[08:36] <goldfish_> oh right
[08:36] <Chrizack> wheres File Browser :-P
[08:36] <goldfish_>  /opt/azureus/azureus
[08:36] <goldfish_> is where azureus is
[08:36] <Chrizack> yea i know how to do it
[08:36] <Chrizack> i know where it is
[08:36] <goldfish_> k
[08:36] <Chrizack> I just need to know where File Browser: Internet is
[08:37] <goldfish_> to add an azureus link in menu?
[08:37] <Chrizack> File Browser: Internet
[08:37] <Chrizack>  File Menu -> Create Launcher
[08:37] <Chrizack>  Basic Tab ->
[08:37] <Chrizack>  Name: Azureus
[08:38] <goldfish_> nautilus applications:///Internet
[08:38] <goldfish_> type that in a terminal
[08:38] <goldfish_> then do that stuff
[08:38] <Chrizack> k
[08:38] <Chrizack> ah
[08:38] <Chrizack> ok
[08:38] <darko01> I want to startup Enemy Territory (OSS) while continuing to listen to the music from XMMS and still have sound in et with polypaudio, can anyone help out?
[08:38] <Chrizack> thanks goldfish_
[08:38] <goldfish_> np
[08:39] <airox> In which file would I place aterm configuration options ?
[08:39] <airox> ~/.Xdefaults ?
[08:43] <Seveas> airox, see private chat (pasted text from manpage)
[08:44] <Echylo> omg
[08:44] <Echylo> where to enable php for apache2
[08:44] <Echylo> getting crazy again
[08:45] <drspin> why is it that when I run GL screensavers on my Nvidia my processor usage goes up but on my 3dfx it doesn't
[08:45] <goldfish_> Echylo: ?
[08:45] <goldfish_> Echylo: php not installing on apache for you?
[08:46] <Seveas> Echylo, did you install php already?
[08:46] <Echylo> give me 4 minuts please
[08:46] <Echylo> :p
[08:46] <goldfish_> lol
[08:46] <airox> Seveas: It doesn't want to take the files in those dirs :S
[08:46] <zohra> im in a hoary live cd-- is there anyway to rw to an ntfs?
[08:46] <Seveas> drspin, are you using the standard nvidia drivers or the proprietary (and better) ones?
[08:46] <airox> I guess not.
[08:46] <goldfish_> hrmm...
[08:47] <drspin> Seveas: ?? not sure
[08:47] <airox> zohra: There aren't proper drivers for rw support for ntfs.
[08:47] <Seveas> zohra, there is no way at all to write from linux to ntfs
[08:47] <darko01> yes there is
[08:47] <Seveas> drspin, look on the ubuntu wiki or guide for a manual about proprietary drivers...
[08:47] <zohra> Seveas, yes there is-- i've done it in other distros-- i wondered if the live cd had the right support
[08:48] <Coily> using variables http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/1_hi.html?wm managed to obscure the source of the video, can someone tell me what it is?
[08:48] <Seveas> Seveas, you MUST be mistaken. The only ntfs support so far is overwriting a file with data of the exact same length
[08:48] <darko01> NTFS for linux. a commercial product + Capture NTFS an open source solution but only supports sp1
[08:48] <Seveas> ehm i meant zohra there...
[08:48] <darko01> your the one that's mistaken
[08:48] <darko01> seacrh google for what i said
[08:49] <Seveas> commercial products (ie not open source) are by definition not included in standard Ubuntu distributions
[08:49] <Seveas> darko01, NTFS for linux is quite a non-handy search on google, can you be more specific...
[08:50] <darko01> you need to learn how to search google
[08:50] <darko01> Captive NTFS
[08:50] <airox> www.ntfs-linux.com
[08:50] <darko01> that's the one. then try paragon NTFS
[08:51] <Seveas> $69.95 to be able to use windows crappy fs, no thanks...
[08:51] <airox> darko01: Did you managed to get captive ntfs in ubuntu ?
[08:51] <airox> I'm interested about the driver ...
[08:51] <awstott> you're trying to write to ntfs?
[08:52] <Nekrataal> hi
[08:52] <septeracore> hi
[08:52] <darko01> it just supports sp1 i've HEARD, but i hear so much crap
[08:52] <darko01> i'm using arch
[08:52] <Nekrataal> i just installed ubuntu, but during the installation it never asked of the root password...
[08:52] <Nekrataal> how can i gain root access??
[08:53] <airox> Nekrataal: Check the /etc/shadow file
[08:53] <spades> Nekrataal: sudo passwd root and set one
[08:53] <airox> There isn't a password at default for root.
[08:53] <Seveas> Nekrataal, or don't use a root account but use sudo
[08:53] <Seveas> that's the ubuntu way of doing things
[08:53] <lizdeika> smth's wrong with xorg in hoary
[08:53] <Nekrataal> but sudo still needs the root password
[08:53] <Seveas> no Nekrataal
[08:54] <goldfish_> it is your account password
[08:54] <Seveas> it needs YOUR password
[08:54] <KurganPT> i booted from the ubuntu CD and it got stuck at the loading kernel... anyone had the same problem?
[08:54] <Nekrataal> ok, thanks
[08:54] <airox> Nekrataal: sudo xterm
[08:54] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:54] <lizdeika> xorg eats 16% cpu, everything is so slow
[08:54] <Nekrataal> but sudo passwd root works..
[08:54] <Nekrataal> thanks guys <(
[08:55] <Nekrataal> i have to configurate my keyboard now, and the ATI video card aceleration...etc etc etc...at least the sound works right...
[08:55] <Echylo> give me a wall
[08:55] <airox> WALL
[08:55] <Nekrataal> thanks, see ya
[08:55] <Echylo> *bumps his head to the wall*
[08:55] <airox> That was useless Echylo :)
[08:55] <Echylo> yes
[08:55] <Seveas> I bet the wall liked it
[08:56] <Echylo> there have to be things useless, otherwise there wouldn't be the world useless
[08:56] <Echylo> word*
[08:56] <Echylo> damn
[08:56] <Echylo> always when I try to make a citat I make typo's
[08:56] <lizdeika> is this normal that i have two gdm's running ?
[08:56] <Seveas> if there were no useless things, the word useless itself would be useless
[08:56] <Echylo> heavy
[08:57] <drspin> Seveas: I installed the nvidia-glx package as the wiki says and configured everything long ago (i.e. I get the Nvidia logo when X starts)
[09:00] <drspin> Seveas: is there another way to install the drivers that i'm not finding on the Wiki or Google?
[09:00] <javiolo> drspin: thats the same that happened to me
[09:00] <javiolo> i installed everything
[09:00] <javiolo> a edited the files
[09:01] <javiolo> but it won work (at least on me)
[09:01] <KurganPT> i booted from the ubuntu CD and it got stuck at the loading kernel... anyone had the same problem?
[09:01] <javiolo> i edited XF86Config-4 manually and played with the screen
[09:01] <javiolo> but DO A BACKUP FIRST
[09:01] <goldfish_> lol
[09:01] <drspin> javiolo: mine is working it just uses more CPU than necessaryIMO
[09:01] <Coily> is the mplayer firefox app the only solution to stream wmv?
[09:02] <javiolo> ah, ok just though u were with the same
[09:03] <drspin> javiolo: I got my voodoo4 working in my other machine already -- copied my XF86Config-4 to xorg.conf
[09:04] <javiolo> ok
[09:04] <javiolo> finally i had to use type default screen on the file
[09:05] <drspin> I wonder if I should just install the drivers off of the Nvidia site...
[09:05] <tritium> drspin, no
[09:06] <drspin> tritium: ok - scratch that idea -- why does it use so much processor to render in 3D?
[09:07] <BrianAnthony> how would I disable vesafb from loading??
[09:07] <BrianAnthony> someone please help me ='(
[09:07] <ernst> join
[09:08] <tritium> BrianAnthony, did you try blacklisting it?
[09:08] <BrianAnthony> tritium: yeah
[09:08] <Seveas> BrianAnthony, why disabling it?
[09:08] <mystify> ok, once i install a game or two from synaptic, how do i access it and play it?
[09:08] <BrianAnthony> Seveas: For my graphics card. It cause X to lock up
[09:08] <Seveas> ah
[09:09] <BrianAnthony> I have to use shitty drivers, or no Xorg at al
[09:09] <mystify> can anyone helpe me?
[09:09] <Seveas> try to figure out when it gets loaded
[09:09] <Seveas> mystify, which game?
[09:09] <mystify> pacman
[09:09] <goldfish_> mystify: /usr/games/
[09:09] <goldfish_> should be in there
[09:09] <tritium> BrianAnthony, even when you configure X to _not_ use fb?
[09:09] <Seveas> in a console type `pacman`
[09:09] <BrianAnthony> tritium: yeah
[09:09] <Seveas> or use the filebrowser to browse to /usr/share/games
[09:09] <mystify> how do i do that though?
[09:10] <tritium> BrianAnthony, maybe daniels could tell you
[09:10] <goldfish_> mystify: using gnome?
[09:10] <mystify> what do you mean?
[09:10] <goldfish_> Do u have the Applications tab top left of screen?
[09:10] <goldfish_> and Computer
[09:10] <mystify> yeah
[09:10] <goldfish_> click Computer > Disks
[09:10] <goldfish_> open the filesystem one
[09:11] <goldfish_> browse to /usr/share/games like Seveas said
[09:11] <ernst> Does anyone knows something about SysCP on Ubuntu?
[09:11] <goldfish_> shoud be in there
[09:11] <mystify> tahnks
[09:12] <blaaa> is there an install guide anywhere?
[09:13] <StoffBox-Steve> just come in ... blaaa for what ?
[09:13] <goldfish_> SysCp
[09:13] <goldfish_> i think
[09:13] <blaaa> oh for ubuntu
[09:14] <goldfish_> oh
[09:14] <goldfish_> sorry
[09:14] <goldfish_> :)
[09:14] <blaaa> like a definitive one...im having trouble finding one on the site
[09:14] <blaaa> heh
[09:14] <ernst> Is a systems control panel for ISP servers
[09:14] <goldfish_> blaaa: ubuntu installation guide?
[09:14] <blaaa> yea
[09:14] <goldfish_> blaaa: the installation is fairly self explanatory
[09:15] <iotc247> Hello.. Anyone know anything about sis-agp, nvidia driver, and sis chipset 760?
[09:15] <blaaa> ah k
[09:15] <blaaa> i have windows on a raid and i wanna put ubuntu on a spare 200gb ide drive i have
[09:15] <blaaa> anything special ima have to do?
[09:16] <goldfish_> wow
[09:16] <Loiosh> You shouldn't need to, blaaa.
[09:16] <StoffBox-Steve> the ubuntu install is easy :D , but when you have look and you hardware ... having driver in backhand is allways a good thing
[09:16] <goldfish_> 200gb :)
[09:17] <StoffBox-Steve> whynot goldfish_ ... when he have the space :D
[09:17] <goldfish_> lol
[09:17] <goldfish_> Anyone used nessus?
[09:17] <blaaa> yea eventually im gonna put linux on the raid but my dad will not let me format yet...and i really wanna try it out
[09:17] <StoffBox-Steve> try the live CD blaaa
[09:18] <blaaa> ive been using live cds
[09:18] <blaaa> i wanna install
[09:18] <blaaa> :D
[09:18] <goldfish_> hehe
[09:19] <blaaa> and what, once i install ubuntu i get a choice at boot which os to use?
[09:19] <StoffBox-Steve> :D that give you dad a nice drink or 2 or 3 and than ask again :D
[09:19] <blaaa> well he gave me the ok to format the ide drive
[09:19] <Seveas> blaaa, yes you get that choice at boot
[09:20] <StoffBox-Steve> when grub found all OS blaaa, when not you easy can add the windows boot to grubmenu
[09:20] <blaaa> will files like mp3's, zips, rars, video files work between the partitions?
[09:20] <blaaa> err the drives
[09:21] <Seveas> blaaa, from windows you can neither read from or write to linux partitions
[09:21] <StoffBox-Steve> is the Win a Fat32 or a NTFS ?
[09:21] <Seveas> from linux you can read and write fat32
[09:21] <Seveas> and read ntfs
[09:21] <blaaa> erm whats winxp agian?
[09:21] <Seveas> writing to ntfs is only possible using commercial tools
[09:21] <blaaa> fat32?
[09:21] <iotc247> Hey can anyone help me with the problem stated here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=297217 ?
[09:21] <Seveas> blaaa, most likely ntfs
[09:21] <Loiosh> NTFS usually, blaaa
[09:22] <Seveas> but you can check that fairly easy
[09:22] <iotc247> Yeah theres stuff like captive i think that let you write though.. I thought it was free and did this not sure.
[09:22] <StoffBox-Steve> normaly winXP is a nfts .. that make a FAt32 pati to use it at a "temp drive" to transfer files between linux and Win
[09:23] <blaaa> if you remember can ya tell me how to check?
[09:23] <blaaa> in winxp
[09:23] <goldfish_> blaaa: Right click on C;
[09:23] <blaaa> heh k
[09:23] <goldfish_> properties
[09:23] <goldfish_> shud tell u what format
[09:24] <StoffBox-Steve> someone know nices sites for gimp ?
[09:24] <blaaa> so ill be able to read but not write to nfts?
[09:24] <iotc247> Correct
[09:24] <goldfish_> yes
[09:24] <blaaa> k that works
[09:25] <iotc247> Just make sure that ntfs filesystem is compiled into the kernel...
[09:25] <goldfish_> javiolo: work?
[09:25] <MM2> Last year I was in hotel which has LAN which worked after computer was plugged to wall... I wonder how that was implemented? (I did not need to reconf dns, gateway etc)
[09:25] <blaaa> iotc247, will i see something like that at installation?
[09:25] <StoffBox-Steve> can write too, but thats only not 100% done now.. so better dont use it ;)
[09:25] <iotc247> No
[09:25] <iotc247> You have to do it after the installation
[09:26] <blaaa> k
[09:26] <Coily> does anyone have long load times for compusa.com in Fx? im guessing it has something to do with the asp protocol... or something else?
[09:26] <Amaranth> anyone here like the iTunes Music Store? :)
[09:26] <iotc247> I do
[09:26] <blaaa> tnx guys i guess that was all teh questions i needed for installation...i will have more soon ;)
[09:26] <iotc247> Its easy to remove the drm thats why lol.
[09:26] <Amaranth> iotc247: are you on hoary?
[09:26] <goldfish_> blaaa: Good luck ;)
[09:27] <iotc247> I will be when i download the 32 bit version.. had 64 bit installed but got tired of non working libs like w32codecs
[09:27] <Amaranth> ah
[09:27] <iotc247> Right now running xp
[09:27] <iotc247> just to download
[09:27] <Amaranth> i wanted you to try out my new app
[09:27] <iotc247> for some reason i burn dvd at 1 kb per second in linux and in windows i burn at the normal 4x speed..
[09:27] <iotc247> What app is that
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> someone what a Coffee? ,) , i go to make one ....
[09:28] <iotc247> Hey anyone can help me with my problem at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=297217
[09:28] <Coily> would someone mind trying compusa.com in Fx...
[09:28] <Amaranth> iotc247: it accesses the iTunes Music Store :D
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> Fx ) firefox Coily ?
[09:28] <Coily> StoffBox-Steve, firefox
[09:28] <iotc247> Ill do it when i get hoary installed
[09:28] <iotc247> Email me at iotc247@gmail.com amaranth with the info ill do it then.
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> 2 sec to load the site ... but have 2Mb/s
[09:29] <Coily> youre running ubuntu?
[09:29] <StoffBox-Steve> jap
[09:29] <StoffBox-Steve> hoary
[09:29] <Coily> hm
[09:29] <iotc247> Whats gonna be new in grumpy?
[09:29] <Seveas> iotc247, lots of things :o)
[09:29] <Coily> im having problems with it loading, but it has nothing to do with my speed
[09:29] <iotc247> lol i know like what
[09:29] <Coily> very strange
[09:29] <Seveas> iotc247, no one knows yet
[09:30] <iotc247> Oh
[09:30] <alistaird> What's the appropriate forum for Ubuntu usability discussions?
[09:30] <iotc247> thought stuff was planned wasnt sure
[09:30] <Seveas> that will be decided at the kickoff meeting
[09:30] <iotc247> I just hope someone fixes my stupid agp problem.. Dam you hp for using sis chipsets.
[09:30] <Seveas> :)
[09:31] <iotc247> And i would have gotten a new mobo but that would void my service plan...
[09:31] <VladDrac> 'llo
[09:32] <iotc247> Would someone mind taking a look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=297217 and telling me any fixes or anything about it... I want to be able to play games but i cant... I can only have my agp card in pci mode since agp freezes up and nvagp doesnt support stupid 760 chipset.
[09:34] <StoffBox-Steve> still here!
[09:35] <flicks> hello, I have a little question about totem in ubuntu
[09:35] <StoffBox-Steve> how can we help you flicks ?
[09:35] <flicks> why can't it read a dvd  ?
[09:36] <flicks> should it be able to read a dvd ?
[09:36] <StoffBox-Steve> i think so, you need a package for that .. but dont ask me the name
[09:36] <iotc247> libdvdcss or something like that i think
[09:36] <Welly> alright guys, does anyone know of a task/application switcher to use instead of the standard windows type task bar you get as standard?
[09:38] <iotc247> Nope no idea sorry.
[09:38] <csorrell> Can someone point me to some tips to make my Xorg reponde quicker and leave less tracers when doing things?
[09:39] <Welly> ok.. i saw a kind of macos x type switcher on some distro
[09:40] <iotc247> Stoff you know alot about agp and nvidia issues?
[09:41] <flicks> libdvdcss... thanks, I will check that out.
[09:41] <iotc247> I think thats the name not positive flicks
[09:42] <dazed_> i installed limewire via...alien changed rpm to deb then installed the deb...how do i run it now..?
[09:43] <Blissex> dazed_: command line?
[09:43] <iotc247> that or terminal
[09:43] <dazed_> i typed limewire in term
[09:43] <dazed_> and nothing happened
[09:43] <iotc247> hmm
[09:43] <StoffBox-Steve> what command was for changing the locale ? aber upgrade form warty to hoary my ubuntu is a Mix of Eng+Deu dont look realy nice
[09:43] <dazed_> no such file or dir
[09:44] <blaaa> can i burn the warty image to a dvdr?..im outta cdrs
[09:44] <Blissex> dazed_: 'dpkg -L limewire'
[09:44] <Blissex> blaaa: yes.
[09:44] <blaaa> k tnx
[09:44] <dazed_> its already been dpkg
[09:44] <blaaa> hola blissex :D
[09:44] <Blissex> blaaa: but just continue using Knoppix or whatever...
[09:44] <dazed_> dazed@Initial:~ $ limewire
[09:44] <dazed_> runLime.sh: runLime.sh: No such file or directory
[09:44] <dazed_> thats what it gives me
[09:45] <blizah> im final installing linux, blissex :)
[09:45] <goldfish_> cool
[09:45] <StoffBox-Steve> you what to install LW dazed_ ?
[09:46] <StoffBox-Steve> where you have installed it dazed_ ?
[09:46] <dazed_> i used mc to installl
[09:46] <StoffBox-Steve> try > /path/to/lime/LimeWire
[09:46] <dazed_> how do i know where installed it
[09:47] <goldfish_> dazed_: locate update-db
[09:47] <goldfish_> from terminal
[09:47] <goldfish_> then, locate limewire
[09:47] <dazed_> did update...locate limewire returned nothing
[09:48] <goldfish_> hmm
[09:48] <iotc247> Ok then try locate wire
[09:48] <iotc247> see if it comes up as a partial name
[09:48] <StoffBox-Steve> btw why you have used a rpm .. download the .bin and that > sh LimeWire.bin  its a good thing :D installes it that way a few hours ago
[09:48] <Blissex> goldfish_: StoffBox-Steve: note that he has typed 'limewire' but the error comes from 'runLime.sh'
[09:48] <Blissex> so obviously the 'limewire' command is being found...
[09:49] <goldfish_> oh right
[09:49] <dazed_> StoffBox-Steve: the only thing on the limewire site is the .rpm
[09:49] <goldfish_> sorry I am a n00b :)
[09:49] <dazed_> i created a .deb pkg with alien
[09:49] <dazed_> then i used mc to install the .deb pkg
[09:51] <StoffBox-Steve> ok oben synaptic look at > section > installed ( old or locale ) lime should show up there .. than properties and then look and the files Tab ...
[09:51] <StoffBox-Steve> you can see what files being installed and where
[09:51] <StoffBox-Steve> oben / open
[09:52] <iotc247> No one knows anything about agp nvidia issues?
[09:53] <StoffBox-Steve> nope, my Fx5200 works fine
[09:53] <iotc247> Dam
[09:53] <iotc247> Cause my fx5200 is no good since i can only run in pci mode.. agp part freezes up since i need agp gart and sis-agp cause its a sis760 chipset.. So startx hardlocks...
[09:54] <StoffBox-Steve> :S
[09:54] <iotc247> Wish there was a way to get stupid agp part to work...
[09:54] <dazed_> StoffBox-Steme: i found these installed files /usr/bin/LimeWire /usr/lib/LimeWire  /usr/lib/LimeWire.jar
[09:55] <iotc247> ok run /usr/bin/LimeWire
[09:55] <StoffBox-Steve> than > /usr/bin/LimeWire to start it
[09:55] <iotc247> or jsut LimeWire
[09:55] <Blissex> iotc247: ask in #NVIDIA, but probably you are doing something erroneous like loading 'rivafb' too. or you could use just the 'nvidia.o' driver without using the kernel AGP support.
[09:55] <iotc247> LimeWire should work... Thats what sometimes annoys me about linux... Its cap sensitive..
[09:55] <iotc247> Oh thanks didnt know about #NVIDIA
[09:56] <dazed_> dazed@Initial:~ $ /usr/bin/LimeWire
[09:56] <dazed_> bash: /usr/bin/LimeWire: No such file or directory
[09:56] <iotc247> Ok thats odd
[09:56] <iotc247> cd /usr/bin && ls | grep ire and tell us what shows up if anything..
[09:56] <Blissex> iotc247: it could be the it is not 'x'
[09:57] <iotc247> huh?
[09:57] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* your allway i sec faster than me iotc247 :D
[09:57] <dazed_> iotc247: cd /usr/bin && ls | grep ire
[09:57] <dazed_> whoops
[09:57] <Blissex> iotc247: 'chmod a+rx /usr/bin/LimeWire'
[09:57] <dazed_> iotc247: directomatic
[09:57] <dazed_> firefox
[09:57] <dazed_> limewire
[09:57] <dazed_> mozilla-firefox
[09:57] <dazed_> dazed@Initial:/usr/bin $
[09:57] <dazed_> dazed@Initial:/usr/bin $
[09:57] <dazed_> whoops sorry****!!!
[09:57] <dazed_> meant to do it on one line
[09:58] <goldfish_> heh
[09:58] <iotc247> Wait why are you telling me to chmod it im helping the guy not having the issues lol..
[09:58] <iotc247> ok then in the /usr/bin dir do ./limewire
[09:59] <dazed_> no such file or dir
[09:59] <iotc247> hmm...
[09:59] <dazed_> really messe dup huh
[09:59] <StoffBox-Steve> dazed_, i can look for the .bin version when you want
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> it probably calls something on the first line
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> which is either not there
[09:59] <nwood> Question: I'm establishing my system in Ubuntu, but need to get my hands on Lilypond.  I'm not finding it through either apt-get or Synaptec, and I'm not sure (being a newb) how to go about installing it from the lilypond site (http://www.lilypond.org/web/download/)
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> or ends with DOS characters
[09:59] <dazed_> StoffBox-Steve thatd be nice but i got class right now be done in an hour ill be back
[10:00] <iotc247> Ok well tty then
[10:00] <StoffBox-Steve> ok dazed_ im here :D
[10:00] <dazed_> thanks see ya in a bit
[10:00] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[10:01] <iotc247> nwood follow the directions here
[10:01] <iotc247> http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/lilypond.html
[10:02] <nwood> iotc247 - on my way there.  Many thanks.
[10:03] <iotc247> Your welcome
[10:03] <Marble2> how can I output the results of a find command to a file?
[10:04] <iotc247> Ah i think like find / file >> /path/to/file but not 100% sure
[10:05] <Blissex> nwood: get the equivalent Debian package... Almost all are compatible with Debian.
[10:06] <Blissex> nwood: get the equivalent Debian package... Almost all are compatible with Ubuntu :-).
[10:07] <javiolo> i have a problem with locate
[10:07] <javiolo> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:07] <Welly> hey all.. i just had to reset my computer right.. booted back in and my panels at the top and bottom are missing
[10:07] <Slaven> I need quick help
[10:07] <factotum> try slocate -u
[10:07] <Welly> it said "i've detected a panel running so i'll exit" or something like that
[10:08] <javiolo> tried updatedb, and sudo updatedb
[10:08] <Slaven> I want to boot Windows XP from a logical partition located on the same drive as GRUB
[10:08] <iotc247> let me find you a guide slaven
[10:08] <Slaven> so it is possible?
[10:09] <iotc247> slaven yes its easy
[10:09] <Slaven> great
[10:09] <iotc247> just forgot the exact layout
[10:09] <vrok> could someone test packages from http://estel.wpia.uw.edu.pl/~vrok/aptsh/ ?
[10:10] <Welly> anyone know how I can get them back??
[10:10] <vrok> they are made with debian sid, and I'd like to know whether the work with ubuntu
[10:10] <Coily> can someone help me with choosing a router - im looking for linux hackability
[10:10] <StoffBox-Steve> have you try restart the X server Welly?
[10:11] <factotum> Coily: you can replace the firmware on a linksys with a linux version
[10:11] <Welly> StoffBox, i'll try again
[10:11] <iotc247> slaven just hold on still trying to find a guide
[10:11] <factotum> or get an old 486 and build one yourself
[10:11] <Coily> factotum, ya i know. the thing is ive got 3 (different brand) routers lined up here for under 20bucks
[10:11] <Coily> im tyring to figure out which one to pick
[10:12] <Slaven> iotc247: Thanks. :)
[10:12] <factotum> mind sharing what they are? it might help
[10:12] <iotc247> slave ok add into /boot/grub/menu.lst at the bottom title Windows
[10:12] <iotc247> root (hd0,0)
[10:12] <iotc247> chainloader +1
[10:12] <iotc247> title Windows starts the first line of what you need to add in
[10:12] <Welly> StoffBox-Steve, just restarted, got the same message  and the panels are still missing
[10:12] <Coily> sure let me get the versions of em...
[10:12] <iotc247> and (hd0,0) is equal to /dev/hda...
[10:12] <kent> vrok, so you dont want to test them, and ask for some one else to test them? Why would people do that?
[10:12] <Slaven> iotc: That's how it's right now.
[10:13] <vrok> kent: oh, not exactly
[10:13] <Slaven> But it doesn't boot right.
[10:13] <factotum> lol
[10:13] <StoffBox-Steve> hmmm Welly, wait a mom
[10:13] <Coily> Motorola WR850G, D-Link DI-524, and the AT&T 6800G
[10:13] <iotc247> What partition is windows installed on
[10:13] <vrok> kent: I'm author of them, and I don't have anu ubuntu system
[10:13] <javiolo> just installed xmms
[10:13] <Coily> thats not much help but maybe someone has input on any of em
[10:13] <javiolo> but it doensnt work
[10:13] <javiolo> anyone ?
[10:13] <Slaven> /dev/hda5 (hd0,5) -- a logical partition
[10:13] <kent> vrok, ok.
[10:13] <Welly> ok.. no problem
[10:14] <factotum> vrok: it helps to let people know that up front, they wont get so bent out of shape then :)
[10:15] <iotc247> hmm ok ah you have that part in your menu.lst with it set to (hd0,5) right?
[10:15] <iotc247> actually wait if its /dev/hda5 its (hd0,4) i think
[10:15] <javiolo> just installed xmms
[10:15] <javiolo> but it doensnt work
[10:15] <javiolo> anyone ?
[10:15] <Anubis>   gdm: Depends: ubuntu-artwork but it is not installed
[10:15] <Anubis> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f
[10:15] <Slaven> yes
[10:15] <Slaven> it's set to 0,4
[10:16] <vrok> factotum: noted :)
[10:16] <Slaven> is there even anyway to boot Windows XP from a logical partition?
[10:16] <Slaven> with grub?
[10:16] <andril> hello all
[10:17] <iotc247> slaven yeah it should be possible... i dont see why it isnt... what happens when you try to boot
[10:18] <airox> Where is the rar package for warty ?
[10:19] <Agrajag> it's in multiverse
[10:19] <Agrajag> since it's nonfree
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i look around but not find really usefull things
[10:19] <andril> does anyone know how to add the "Home" icon to the desktop?
[10:20] <infernall-work> hey guys, im missing fonts with flash 7.  some flash that works fine on other distros and windows, has text missing on the ubuntu system.  Can anyone point me in the  right direction?
[10:20] <StoffBox-Steve> /home/you/.gnomedesktop  andril  --- i think
[10:21] <StoffBox-Steve> /home/you/.gnome-desktop  andril  --- i think
[10:21] <StoffBox-Steve> than simple take a link to you homedir
[10:21] <andril> StoffBox-Steve: I'LL TY THAT - THANKS
[10:22] <StoffBox-Steve> np andril :)
[10:23] <BrianAnthony> is there anything at all like modconf for ubuntu?
[10:23] <iotc247> slaven still there?
[10:24] <LordC> Well i just tried to install ubuntu, and it kept warning me the following modules werent available: amd76xrom ide-mod ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy
[10:24] <LordC> :(
[10:24] <queuetue> How stable is hoary these days?
[10:24] <iotc247> Lord looks like a bad download...
[10:24] <LinuxJones> BrianAnthony, not really
[10:24] <wavefunction> 'nite
[10:24] <scot_> can someone point me to a guide for setting up wireless networking in ubuntu?  I come from the world of FC and it was easy to set up there.  Any suggestions??
[10:24] <iotc247> que very stable id say
[10:24] <goldfish_> queuetue: stable is out in april, so its close enough to it
[10:25] <goldfish_> scot_: search the forums maybe?
[10:25] <queuetue> iotc247, goldfish_, is sidt-upgrading a clean warty system safe?
[10:25] <goldfish_> ubuntuforums that is
[10:25] <LordC> iotc247: I downloaded warty i386 directly from the Primary Uk mirror, and md5 checked out
[10:25] <Rocco> jemand da der deutsch spricht
[10:25] <LinuxJones> scot_, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/
[10:25] <iotc247> What do you mean que..
[10:25] <dseomn> scot_: avoid the cards that need ndiswrapper, the native ones often work better
[10:25] <scot_> Thanks!
[10:26] <iotc247> dist-upgrade i think iwll only upgrade all packages in the distro.. If you want to go from warty to hoary in sources.list change all warty to hoary
[10:26] <queuetue> iotc247, Askin if it is safe to edit apt.sources and apt-get dist-upgrade too hoary, rather than install hoary directly...
[10:26] <blizah> install went ok :D
[10:26] <dseomn> queuetue: this isn't an rpm distro, it's the safest way
[10:26] <airox> ubuntu rulez :)
[10:26] <blizah> <--blaaa
[10:26] <goldfish_> blizah: cool
[10:27] <airox> Just a statement :))
[10:27] <andril> is there an official Ubuntu update for Firefox?
[10:27] <wavefunction> Where can I find the current '.config' used to configure the kernel by ubuntu install ?
[10:27] <queuetue> dseomn, sorry, I didn't follow completely dist-upgrading is the safest way?
[10:27] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, in the  /boot/ directory
[10:28] <dseomn> queuetue: yes, with cd's you could lose your configuration and home folder if you mess up
[10:28] <andril> is the 4.10 release the latest?
[10:28] <queuetue> dseomn, Oh, well, I took my home partition offline for this. :)
[10:28] <wavefunction> LinuxJones: Hmmm, shame on me ... an easy place. :) Thanks.
[10:28] <queuetue> The list of upgraded packages is just *massive.*
[10:28] <LinuxJones> wavefunction, ;)
[10:28] <Rocco> where can i find a list of available wlan's?
[10:28] <LinuxJones> andril, the latest stable release yeah
[10:28] <infernall-work> i had a safe an uneventful hoary upgrade from dist
[10:28] <dseomn> queuetue: no larger than downloading the entire cd though
[10:29] <queuetue> Amd very modern - it's hard to believe I'm looking at a debian variant here...
[10:29] <LinuxJones> andril, Hoary is the development version and becomes the stable version of Ubuntu in April
[10:29] <andril> so - by doing SYNAPTIC IS THE BEST WAY TO UPGRADE?
[10:29] <LinuxJones> andril, you can use synaptic or apt-get from the command line
[10:30] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* queuetue i upgraded yesterday .. have to load over 500Mb of stuff ... take me 30min :(
[10:30] <queuetue> StoffBox-Steve, I assume you don't live in a small New England town with mom-and-pop DSL. :)
[10:30] <Rocco> where can i find a list of available wlan's? or how can a generally connect to those?
[10:30] <Marble2> what's a good app for playing .avi/ other media files
[10:30] <queuetue> It'll take me a while longer.
[10:31] <Marble2> besides vlc
[10:31] <andril> LinuxJones: just loking for Firefox 1.0 - not familiar with apt-get command
[10:31] <goldfish_> andril: have u used synaptoc?
[10:31] <[mitch] > Marble2: mplayer
[10:31] <goldfish_> *synaptic
[10:31] <andril> yes - i have
[10:31] <Marble2> andril: run apt-get install firefox
[10:31] <goldfish_> at-get is the non gui equivalent
[10:31] <Blissex> andril: Synaptic gives you a list of available packages by topic/subtopic.
[10:31] <Marble2> that should upgrade you to 1.0 or download it if you don't have it
[10:31] <StoffBox-Steve> no queuetue i life in a small German town with DSL 2000 ( 2mb/s ) :D
[10:31] <Marble2> [mitch] : do you have a link?
[10:31] <kent> Marble2, i use totem with xine backend (called totem-xine in ubuntu).  Use the win32codecs and you can see most movies on the planet
[10:31] <LinuxJones> andril, FFv1 is in hoary but it's in heavy development, you can download FF from their website and install it to your home directory.
[10:31] <Marble2> nvm, google got it
[10:32] <scot_> hey!  having a hard time su-ing to root.  Come to think of it, I don't remember the install asking for a root pw?  Am I missing something??
[10:32] <ir1> sudo su -
[10:32] <Marble2> kent: totem-xine crashes all the time on me
[10:32] <andril> yeah but the don't recommend that on the FF side
[10:32] <Marble2> and it's kinda crappy
[10:32] <marcin_ant> hello!
[10:32] <marcin_ant> I need heeeelp
[10:32] <queuetue> StoffBox-Steve, Nice.  I sometimes consider unplugging the DSL modem and using a dialup one. :)
[10:32] <goldfish_> Marble2: u can apt-get mplayer iirc
[10:32] <goldfish_> Marble2: what is wrong?
[10:32] <acs> How do I see ubuntu's version?
[10:32] <acs> I forgot the command
[10:32] <marcin_ant> how to share printer from ubuntu with samba
[10:32] <LinuxJones> acs, cat /etc/issue
[10:32] <andril> I guess I'll have to wait till April - thNKS\
[10:33] <marcin_ant> and make this printer available to xp users without any password authentication?
[10:33] <queuetue> acs, look at /etc/issue or doa  uname -a (for kernel version)
[10:33] <andril> Yeah how can you tell the version? I run Synaptics daily
[10:33] <acs> thanks LinuxJones and queuetue
[10:34] <queuetue> Offtopic, is SATA hot-swappable?
[10:34] <StoffBox-Steve>  *GG* it a few years since i use a modem ... have startet with a 14.4 Kb/s 5 years ago than isdn 2 years later dsl 2000 :D .. wow that was fast ...
[10:34] <queuetue> acs, Glad to help.
[10:34] <andril> thanks guys
[10:34] <[mitch] > 14.4 Kb.s?  luxury!  9600 baud, now *that* was something...
[10:34] <andril> still having issues adding Home to my desktop
[10:35] <queuetue> Raise hands, everyone who used to use an acoustinc coupler for actual comunications. (as opposed to a conversation piece. :) )
[10:35] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* 9600 [mitch]  browse a website take a whole day ^^
[10:36] <[mitch] > andril:  create a new launcher on the desktop, and put "nautilus --browser /home/USERNAME" in the command box
[10:37] <[mitch] > StoffBox-Steve: but in those days websites didn`t have any graphics - and gopher and kermit were apps of the day *g*
[10:37] <ir1> anyone knows howto fix the : timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl when shutting
[10:39] <andril> OWWWWW That worked! I have ben loking for Nautilus
[10:39] <andril> Thanks
[10:39] <javiolo> any help ?
[10:39] <[mitch] > andril: np
[10:39] <javiolo> just installed xmms and cant work
[10:40] <[mitch] > javiolo: does the app start, or does it just fail to play music?
[10:40] <javiolo> it doesnt start
[10:40] <javiolo> clicking on the media menu
[10:41] <blizah> so.. :D    is the first thing i need to do is update firefox, gaim, etc..?
[10:41] <[mitch] > javiolo: run xmms from a terminal - see if there are any error messages
[10:41] <kent> javiolo, if you run it from a terminal (rightclick on the desktop and choose run terminal), and from there run "xmms" does it give any messages
[10:41] <kent> [mitch] , you got before me :)
[10:41] <[mitch] > kent:  ;)
[10:41] <javiolo> libmikmod.so.2: no se puede abrir el fichero del objeto compartido: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[10:41] <javiolo> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[10:42] <javiolo> the spanish phrase is It can open the file of shared object: the file doesnt exist
[10:42] <warty> What is so great about ubuntu?
[10:43] <kent> javiolo, have you installed packages from debian or something like that?
[10:43] <jon1012> hello
[10:43] <[mitch] > warty: it has three u's in it?
[10:43] <javiolo> i installed xmms from synaptic
[10:43] <javiolo> xmms and gxmms
[10:43] <warty> Sorry I am a newbie
[10:44] <goldfish_> warty: Used linux before?
[10:44] <warty> never
[10:44] <goldfish_> warty: Well, it's good for first timers.
[10:44] <goldfish_> I think.
[10:44] <goldfish_> I am a n00b.
[10:44] <Loiosh> I agree with that
[10:44] <[mitch] > javiolo: I get a similar error - but xmms starts fine.
[10:44] <VladDrac> anyone here with a latitude d600 by any chance?
[10:44] <goldfish_> inspiron 8600
[10:45] <blizah> should i go update gaim and firefox?  (ive just installed ubuntu)
[10:45] <VladDrac> hmm probably too different
[10:45] <goldfish_> :/
[10:45] <javiolo> so any idea ?
[10:45] <[mitch] > javiolo: if you have made other updates, it may be worth rebooting. </standard sysadmin response>
[10:45] <VladDrac> does your laptop suspend well?
[10:45] <goldfish_> blizah: if u want the updated versions :)
[10:45] <blizah> (notice that those are the two apps i know from windows)
[10:45] <goldfish_> VladDrac: doesnt suspend at all
[10:45] <javiolo> yep i rebooted 2 times ;)
[10:45] <goldfish_> VladDrac: I havent sorted that actually
[10:45] <VladDrac> ah :)
[10:45] <[mitch] > :)
[10:45] <warty> goldfish_ have you tried any other
[10:46] <kent> [mitch] , javiolo, i dont get that message, but i have two mikmods lib installed (gstreamer-plugin-mikmod something, and libmikmod2).
[10:46] <goldfish_> warty: nope
[10:46] <warty> ok  thanx
[10:46] <goldfish_> warty: mandrake is good
[10:46] <goldfish_> i was told
[10:46] <goldfish_> and Sarge
[10:46] <warty> ty
[10:46] <[mitch] > javiolo:  try installing beep-media player from synaptic - it's a gtk port of xmms
[10:46] <queuetue> Well, my business partner just gave a yes vote for Ubuntu, based on it's clean design, easy installation and the fact that you can see down the shirt of the girl on the web page.
[10:46] <goldfish_> lol
[10:46] <kent> [mitch] , javiolo,  perhaps run it with "strace xmms" from a terminal. ?
[10:47] <javiolo> strace xmms ?
[10:47] <goldfish_> it is a debugger i think
[10:47] <goldfish_> well
[10:47] <blizah> whats the linux equivalent of program files?..if there is one
[10:47] <ir1> javiolo: be prepared for lots of output
[10:47] <goldfish_> pipe it to a file
[10:47] <goldfish_> blizah: /usr/bin
[10:47] <HavoK> hi there, how do i change sudo password? I mean, I'd like all user have the same password for sudo
[10:47] <goldfish_> sort of
[10:47] <javiolo> how was that gold ;)
[10:47] <kent> javiolo, strace xmms  will print more information,   lots of crap, but you might get a better response to why it fails to load.
[10:47] <goldfish_> javiolo: command > file.txt
[10:47] <dazed_> stoff-box steve: still around?
[10:48] <GarySaved> Was last october when they started the calendar desktops?  There are 5 of them now?
[10:48] <ir1> havok: just give all the users the same password then ..
[10:48] <javiolo> wow
[10:48] <javiolo> you didnt lie
[10:48] <javiolo> i get a lot..
[10:48] <HavoK> ir1: well, the real question was
[10:48] <kent> javiolo, but if you do that, please dont paste all text here. Go to a random #channel, and past it there (tell us before so we can watch)
[10:48] <HavoK> (telephone's ringing)
[10:48] <blizah> is /etc where most of my programs will go?
[10:49] <HavoK> ir1: well, the real question was
[10:49] <blizah> such as gaim, firefox, xchat
[10:49] <blizah> things of that nature
[10:49] <javiolo> ok, i though about a dcc send
[10:49] <HavoK> how  do i set password of sudo like root's  password?
[10:49] <ir1> blizah /etc is where all the config goess
[10:49] <HavoK> how  do i set password of sudo as the root's  password?
[10:49] <jon1012> no... the programs goes in /usr (and then the binary in /usr/bin, the shared files in /usr/share, etcc)
[10:49] <kent> javiolo, that can do aswell. just dcc it to me.. or mitch, or any one else who wants to read :)
[10:49] <javiolo> ok
[10:49] <thenuke> HavoK: would it be better if you edit /etc/sudoers so that you dont have to type the password at all
[10:49] <GarySaved> and does anyone know when the next one will be posted?
[10:49] <dazed_> anyone know where to get LimeWireLinux.bin?
[10:49] <blizah> ah ok
[10:49] <goldfish_> dazed_: google for it :)
[10:50] <javiolo> wait a sec cos i think strace xmms > problem.txt didnt work it
[10:50] <goldfish_> HavoK: the sudo to root password?
[10:50] <blizah> irl: so where are firefox and gaim located?
[10:50] <HavoK> goldfish_: yes
[10:50] <goldfish_> javiolo: did it make the file problem.txt in the directory u are in?
[10:50] <HavoK> (I've already set a root password)
[10:50] <javiolo> yep
[10:50] <javiolo> but its empty
[10:50] <goldfish_> HavoK: same thing
[10:50] <goldfish_> oh
[10:50] <goldfish_> HavoK: well
[10:51] <Marble2> how can I run something as a certain user?
[10:51] <HavoK> Marble2: su username -c command (IIRC)
[10:51] <goldfish_> HavoK: sorry ignore that
[10:51] <thenuke> dazed_: I used apt-get to install limewire
[10:51] <javiolo> the ppl whos hlping me plz join #javiolo
[10:51] <HavoK> goldfish_: ok =)
[10:51] <kent> javiolo, most of the time its onle the last few lines that are interesting. So you can probably just run strace xmms and past the last X lines into a file, and send that file
[10:51] <Rocco> @blizah gaim has an icon in your internet-programm-list. firefox is in /etc i think. search for it using "whereis firefox"
[10:51] <goldfish_> :)
[10:52] <ir1> havok: man sudoers, look for rootpw
[10:52] <thenuke> or did i.. hmm
[10:52] <blizah> k
[10:52] <javiolo> the ppl whos hlping me plz join #javiolo
[10:52] <Marble2> how do I get the username
[10:52] <Marble2> it says invalid user id
[10:52] <Marble2> er id rather
[10:53] <HavoK> ir1: thanks
[10:53] <ir1> marble: you must be root to do this
[10:53] <Marble2> I am
[10:53] <GarySaved> Was last october when they started the calendar desktops?  There are 5 of them now?
[10:53] <ir1> havok: np
[10:53] <ir1> marble2: userid -> username is in /etc/passwd
[10:53] <Marble2> er how do I run a command under a certain group?
[10:54] <ir1> marble2 chgrp I guess (not sure)
[10:54] <rwabel> hi
[10:55] <rwabel> i've a little problem mounting a reiserfs partition with write permission. I tried with a normal entry in fstab with defaults 0 1, am I missing something?
[10:55] <thenuke> Marble2: if you want to run a command as user foo you would type sudo -u username command
[10:55] <thenuke> Marble2: instead of that -c
[10:56] <thenuke> man sudo ..
[10:57] <thenuke> oh it was su and not sudo what someone suggested
[10:57] <thenuke> but if that su does not work, use that what I said
[10:58] <dazed_> thenuke: i tried apt-get couldnt find it
[10:58] <thenuke> dazed_: yup, I guess I did not remember right
[10:59] <Blissex> rwabel: write permission is the default.
[11:00] <Blissex> rwabel: if the partition however is damaged and needs checking, ReiserFS will only mount it read-only until it is repaired, and if this is the case it will log a message to say so.
[11:00] <andril> good night all
[11:00] <StoffBox-Steve> re dazed_ :D
[11:00] <MadMortagan> Gahh.. Ubuntu is driving me crazy! I cannot uninstall it. About three hours ago I came in here and someone told me to just boot up on a floppy and fdisk it, I did that but it kept trying to load GRUB and cannot get past that.. I need help! I cannot use my windows computer!
[11:00] <rwabel> blisse: I just formated a new partition as reiserfs and added to the fstab and typed sudo mount -a
[11:01] <rwabel> blisse: and it only mounts read-only
[11:01] <Blissex> rwabel: then perhaps you got the 'fstab' line wrong. Try to 'mount' it explicitly with both device and mountpoint...
[11:01] <MadMortagan> Can someone help me please?
[11:02] <Marble2> grr, I get this every time I open a file in vlc
[11:02] <Marble2> oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[11:02] <Marble2> and my sound doesn't work in it :(
[11:02] <Marble2> anyone know how I can fix it?
[11:02] <StoffBox-Steve> have you added the Windows OS on the grub menu MadMortagan ?
[11:02] <amiloM1425> @madmortagan "fdsik /mbr"
[11:02] <Marble2> i tried changing permissings to /dev/dsp
[11:02] <Blissex> MadMortagan: it is considered rather bad manners to ask again for help more requently than every 5-10 minutes.
[11:02] <MadMortagan> Blissex:
[11:02] <MadMortagan> What do you mean?
[11:02] <StoffBox-Steve> dazed_, i not find the .bin of lime ... but i have upload it for you :D
[11:03] <rwabel> blisse: /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1          reiserfs defaults       0       1
[11:03] <VladDrac> how 'stable' is hoary?
[11:03] <MadMortagan> I have added XP to the grub, but after fdisking Ubuntu it stops at grub
[11:03] <VladDrac> is it like debian testing, or more like unstable/experimental?
[11:03] <Marble2> MadMortagan: tried LILO?
[11:04] <MadMortagan> Mable2:  No effect
[11:04] <Blissex> rwabel: try 'umount /mnt/hdb1; mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1; mkdir /mnt/hdb1/TEST'
[11:04] <MadMortagan> Marble2*
[11:05] <StoffBox-Steve> more like testing VladDrac .. many run hoary withot any probs :) *me too*
[11:05] <Marble2> can anyone help me out with my vlc problem above?
[11:06] <rwabel> blisse: still permission denied
[11:06] <HavoK> Marble2: maybe you have  esd running
[11:06] <HavoK> (i do)
[11:06] <Marble2> how would I check?
[11:06] <Blissex> rwabel: as which user are you esecuting these commands?
[11:07] <Blissex> rwabel: all of them as 'root'?
[11:07] <HavoK> Marble2: i'd use ps ax | grep esd
[11:07] <Marble2> i do
[11:07] <rwabel> blisse: as root expect the creation of the directory
[11:07] <Marble2> is that the problem?
[11:07] <stazich> hey guys, has anyone managed to get MPLAYER working on ubuntu linux? if so how is it done, im kind of nube in installing software, if anyone could explain to me what i need to install MPLAYER id really appreciate it... are there any required modules i have to run before putting mplayer on?
[11:07] <Blissex> rwabel: why?
[11:07] <HavoK> Marble2: pheraps it is, I'm not sure
[11:07] <Blissex> rwabel: why not the creation of the directory?
[11:07] <occy> is there some gui tool I can load a mysql db dump in?
[11:07] <HavoK> but you can kill it without troubles
[11:07] <Marble2> what does esd do?
[11:07] <HavoK> Marble2: it's a sound daemon
[11:07] <rwabel> blisse: because I want to have write access as normal user to the partition
[11:08] <psi> stazich: i did it just now
[11:08] <Blissex> rwabel: try as 'root'.
[11:08] <queuetue> occy, Like emacs?
[11:08] <jbailey> Anyone here have an array6 install willing to help me with some testing?
[11:08] <psi> stazich: i downloaded the source from the mplayer site, and used dpkg-buildpackage to make a debian package
[11:08] <Marble2> that didn't fix it
[11:08] <rwabel> blisse: as root it works
[11:08] <bzbb> jbailey, how do you know which array you have?
[11:08] <Blissex> rwabel: trying to fool people who are trying to help you is a very very bad idea.
[11:08] <stazich> ok
[11:08] <occy> queuetue: heh, something easy.
[11:08] <HavoK> hmm, let's say, it makes possible to share the /dev/dsp thing
[11:08] <HavoK> marhmm
[11:08] <rwabel> blisse: sorry, don't fool anyone
[11:08] <Marble2> any other ideas?
[11:08] <Blissex> rwabel: then read a simple tutorial on permissions in the UNIX/Linux filesystem...
[11:08] <rwabel> blisse: I need to have write access as normal user and not root
[11:08] <HavoK> Marble2: no idea...
[11:09] <queuetue> occy, Well, what do you want to do with the dump?
[11:09] <jbailey> bzbb: Erm...  Excellent question.  Array6 came out this morning, though, so you'd have to have done it today.
[11:09] <bzbb> ok
[11:09] <jbailey> bzbb: A recent daily snapshot will do if you have that, though.
[11:09] <stazich> psi: im using a G3 imac, do i have to get any special source packages?
[11:09] <occy> queuetue: easily look at the fields
[11:09] <bzbb> I guess that means its time to dist-upgrade
[11:09] <Blissex> rwabel: access as normal user and not root is a very very different thing from mounting a reiserfs partition with write permission
[11:09] <BWGames> where can i get libvorbis0 for warty?
[11:09] <bzbb> I'm running hoary, but I haven't updated for about 3 days
[11:09] <jbailey> bzbb: I'm hunting a bug and I'd rather not play away my box to prove that it's a bad bug.
[11:09] <IronRoses> anyone using ubuntu 5.04?
[11:10] <queuetue> occy, then just use less: "less file.sql"
[11:10] <occy> queuetue: heh, thanks.  :P
[11:10] <[mitch] > bzbb:  don' t update unless you want to lose all your menu icons... ;)
[11:10] <Blissex> rwabel: or it only mounts read-only
[11:10] <psi> stazich: i don't know. i guess the regular source package is ok.
[11:10] <bzbb> jbailey, well, as this is my primary computer, I'm going to have to say
[11:10] <bzbb> no
[11:10] <rwabel> blissex: aha, ok. I've achieved to mount  vfat partition with normal user access, and trying now to make the same for a reiserfs partition
[11:10] <jbailey> bzbb: *lol*  I was looking for someone who had *already* done a recent reinstall ;)
[11:10] <psi> stazich: specifically, the command i used (in the mplayer source root) was: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
[11:11] <IronRoses> anyone need help in getting their usb 2 hdd's working?
[11:11] <bzbb> oddly enough, I have a spare machine in my basement, running warty
[11:11] <stazich> MPlayer v1.0pre6a source <------- are these the files i need off their site then PSI?
[11:11] <psi> stazich: yes
[11:11] <Blissex> rwabel: those are completely different things again. Mounting rw/ro and directory permission are completely different things and explained in any tutorial on UNIX/Linux.
[11:11] <lok> IronRoses, have you a tips ?
[11:11] <IronRoses> yeh, configure the damn fstab
[11:11] <IronRoses> it's easy as hell
[11:12] <stazich> ok
[11:12] <psi> stazich: i've never built it on a g3, so i'm just assuming really. good luck :)
[11:12] <Blissex> rwabel: as well as mounting VFAT and ReiserFS, they operate in totally different ways.
[11:12] <lok> mmh yesterday my hdd doesn't make the sda block device , I doubt that the fstab had solve this probleme
[11:12] <psi> stazich: you probably need to install the fakeroot package from apt
[11:12] <IronRoses> open the root terminal, type mkdir usb, go to fstab, and configure away, put the dev on to /dev/sda1 and mnt on to /media/usb
[11:12] <stazich> so i unpack this package to a folder then get into it through shell and type in that command?
[11:12] <IronRoses> simple as that
[11:12] <rwabel> blissex: that's why I tried to ask here to find out how to mount a reiserfs partition so normal user has fully access to it
[11:12] <stazich> whats that>?
[11:13] <psi> stazich: it lets you make the package as a regular user
[11:13] <BWGames> where can i get libvorbis0 for warty? need it for mencoder...
[11:13] <Blissex> rwabel: you should read some tutorials/HOWTOs before asking questions like that...
[11:13] <rwabel> blissex: I was googling around for a longtime but didn't find out how to mount a reiserfs partition this way
[11:14] <lok> with the user option in the fstab
[11:14] <stazich> thanks man, il try to do it as i would and see what it tells me... then i might install if i need to that stuff from apt
[11:14] <IronRoses> the only problem i'm habving is with tcl, amsn can't find tcl defintions for tasbar icon
[11:14] <IronRoses> buti'mnot to botherd
[11:14] <shawn__> BWGames :  maybe apt-get install libvorbis-perl?
[11:14] <Blissex> rwabel: sometimes you have to read a book, not Google. Google only returns hacks. You need to know how the system works in general.
[11:14] <BWGames> shawn__: thanks will try that
[11:14] <Blissex> rwabel: what you want to do has nothing to do with mounting.
[11:15] <lok> IronRoses, do you have try to install fully tcl library
[11:15] <IronRoses> go to the debian site, read from their documentaion, since this is pratically debian but with a few fancy tricks you'll learn lots
[11:15] <dazed> anyone know where to get ETerm or Esetroot
[11:15] <lok> dazed, enlightenment site
[11:15] <dazed> whats that?
[11:15] <dazed> the link*
[11:15] <IronRoses> lok, what?
[11:16] <rwabel> blissex: didn't know that, I thought mounting the way I mount my vfat partition would be the same. Didn't know how different reiserfs partition are
[11:16] <sri> anybody make any debs of galago?
[11:16] <queuetue> e.org, I thought...
[11:16] <IronRoses> don't you just love noobs....
[11:16] <goldfish_> dazed: google?
[11:16] <BWGames> shawn__: no go :(
[11:17] <LordC> Major installation annoyance
[11:17] <queuetue> dazed, You may want to look a *little* bit before you ask. (enlightenment.org)
[11:17] <LordC> Upon installing, i get warned that some modules cannot be loaded yet - but if i continue they may be installed later...
[11:17] <LordC> amd76xrom ide-mod ide-probe-mod ide-detect ide-floppy
[11:17] <blizah> for updating gaim they have a list of specific distros (none of which are gaim) then an autopackage...do i download the autopackage?
[11:17] <IronRoses> ah well, back to watching little britain
[11:17] <IronRoses> speak later
[11:17] <shawn__> BWGAmes:  actually... on my system there is only a libvorbis-perl.
[11:17] <dazed> well i had no idea what the e stood for...so before i type "e website" in google i thought id ask
[11:17] <dazed> :)
[11:17] <goldfish_> dazed: hehe
[11:17] <LordC> I tried re-burning the CD, at a low speed. The MD5 is sound
[11:17] <Lithi> Im having some problems with a G3 and Ubuntu if someone could read my post http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17874
[11:18] <burner> blizah: apt-get install gaim?
[11:18] <shawn__> BWGAmes:  maybe that package provides the shared object?
[11:18] <blizah> ah ok
[11:18] <IronRoses> lmao
[11:18] <BWGames> shawn__: apt-get says "package is referenced by blahblah, but is uninstallable.." need to find a repository with it i think
[11:19] <Blissex> rwabel: that's why you need to read a book on how the UNIX and Linux filesystems work. A very simple introductory book. There is one on TLDP.org
[11:19] <LordC> So if anyone has any advice, i would love it xD
[11:19] <IronRoses> apt-get update
[11:19] <IronRoses> that'll update the respo's
[11:19] <rwabel> blissex: well, I read on a tutorial this one "rw read & write..." so I thought it will be the solution. I'll check the book out. thanks
[11:19] <JStrike> dazed : You dont want to go messing around with enlightenment unless you know what you are doing
[11:20] <dazed> i just needed Eterm and esetroot...but its cool i got feh
[11:20] <Blissex> rwabel: you need to understand how the UNIX filesystem works in general. it is not just a one case thing.
[11:21] <Marble2> ugh
[11:21] <Marble2> I just went to reboot, and when I tried booting to ubuntu, it just hung there :(
[11:21] <IronRoses> ohhh
[11:22] <lok> dazed, http://www.eterm.org/
[11:22] <Lithi> is there a ppc ubuntu channel?
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Does Ubuntu work with Airport Extreme cards?
[11:22] <IronRoses> don't know
[11:22] <IronRoses> what are they?
[11:22] <stazich> i am trying to build a package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc command but the result it tells me is that GCC system type cannot be determined... does this mean i have not or have a bad installation of gcc?? i check whether it is installed through Synaptic Package Manager buit it tells me it is there, version gcc 3.3... what should i do?
[11:23] <Quest-Master> They are on Macs
[11:23] <Lithi> Quest-Master: I would think so
[11:23] <IronRoses> stazich, i don't really know, try reinstallingc
[11:23] <IronRoses> *gcc
[11:25] <Lithi> Quest-Master: From my google search it apears that the Airport Extreme does not work in linux because they are closed source drivers
[11:25] <Hammerattack> hrm...
[11:25] <Lithi> Quest-Master: But Im still willing to bet there is a darwin port
[11:26] <Hammerattack> Slashdot just had something the otherday about streaming to airport from linux.
[11:26] <Lithi> yea but not using a Airport Extreme
[11:26] <Hammerattack> aah, you're right. Airport Express. And not from Linux.
[11:27] <Hammerattack> Soyeah, you're still sol.
[11:27] <Lithi> Anyone here have a G3 running ubuntu? I need some help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17874
[11:27] <scot_> hey, DNS with firefox is killing me.  Is this an IPV6 issue, does it need to be disabled?
[11:28] <blizah> sry for all these questions...im looking at an apt get howto but i still dont really get it
[11:28] <Lithi> scot_ possibly
[11:28] <stazich> ok, i went back to synaptic package manager and checked all the installed GCC components like 3.3 and 3.4 base for reinstallation and checked the GCC 3.3 and 3.4 for installation coz they werent on the system before, just the base... so now it did the reconfiguring of the system... should i reboot before trying to install the packages again?:)
[11:29] <[mitch] > scot:  yeah - open up about:config page, and filter for ipv6 - set it to false
[11:29] <blizah> im tring to update gaim with apt-get...where do i begin :D
[11:29] <stazich> Lithi : i have it up for 2 days on my G3 imac..
[11:29] <scot_> cool, thanks!
[11:29] <Hammerattack> You should be able to just type ldconfig then go ahead and start compiling stuff.
[11:29] <rwabel> blissex: ahh thanks guding me. If I'm right I just need to make a folder with the right permission so normal user has access to the folder.
[11:29] <Lithi> stazich: Yea I ment the hold Blue and White tower
[11:29] <Lithi> old*
[11:30] <Lithi> if there was just a way to tell yaboot to load a diffrent initrd from the boot: prompt
[11:34] <usual> where would I find the latest information on adding multimedia support such as mp3 playback and video playback to haory?
[11:35] <tizen> Array 6 being released, is that why the servers are very slow?
[11:35] <Hammerattack> Okay, I added universe to symantic, but the graveman package isn't showing up.
[11:35] <Hammerattack> synaptic
[11:35] <usual> Hammerattack, you looking for a nice gnome burning program?
[11:35] <Hammerattack> Yeah, but I got graveman instead
[11:36] <dazed> Hey ...how can i get my term window transparent like this image http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?themes/contrib/ma3j_goldengreen.jpg
[11:36] <Hammerattack> What have you got?
[11:36] <usual> Hammerattack, I just used one that I was very happy with
[11:36] <Hammerattack> Okay.
[11:36] <Hammerattack> So...where do I get it?
[11:36] <usual> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/index.php?cat=1
[11:36] <Hammerattack> 'Cause even though it's supposed to be in universe, it's not showing up.
[11:36] <queuetue> warty->hoary is a BIIIG list of downloads to wait for...
[11:36] <goldfish_> dazed: you can make your gnome terminal transparent very easily
[11:36] <LordC> Can anyone help with my installation hell?
[11:37] <usual> this is the closest thing to k3b for gnome that I have seen
[11:37] <usual> it worked flawless for me
[11:37] <Hammerattack> I liked K3B. It's probably the only K app I'll be missing.
[11:37] <usual> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker
[11:37] <usual> Hammerattack, this one works pretty similar
[11:37] <dazed> goldfish_: how?
[11:38] <Hammerattack> sweet. I'll d/l it.
[11:38] <queuetue> Actually, are there any burning programs that will easily copy a BIG filesystem onto multiple dvds?  (Onto real, browseable DVDs, hopefully ext2 formatted?)
[11:38] <goldfish_> dazed: Click Edit, Current Profile,
[11:38] <dazed> ok
[11:38] <usual> Hammerattack, I loved it, make sure you have what it requires, I found I needed a few packages to burn audio cd's
[11:38] <goldfish_> dazed: Effects, turn on transarency
[11:38] <tizen> for some reason i can only get 15 kB/s from the main ubuntu archive... Anyone else having this problem?
[11:39] <StoffBox-Steve> dazed, what with LimeWare you want the Bin ?
[11:39] <Lithi> usual: ubuntuguide.org
[11:39] <usual> ty
[11:39] <dazed> yeah ...stoffbox
[11:40] <jeff_> does ubuntu have cd burning software built in?
[11:40] <StoffBox-Steve> www.bysteve.de/linux/  <<theres the bin :D
[11:40] <Lemonzest> whats a good emule client for linux?
[11:40] <Kokey> somebody has upgrade recently? after the upgrade mi video it's too sloooow!
[11:41] <Kokey> I'm using Hoary and xfree86
[11:41] <StoffBox-Steve> i use amule, like it more than xmule : Lemonzest
[11:41] <queuetue> hoary and xfree86?  Why not xorg?
[11:41] <StoffBox-Steve> i hope you have java installed dazed ;)
[11:41] <Kokey> and the Xfree in some times use more than 35% CPU
[11:41] <Lithi> Lemonzest: ubuntuguide.org (amule)
[11:41] <dazed> id have to go get it ..forgot that limewire needs that
[11:41] <dazed> www.sun.com?
[11:42] <dazed> best place ?
[11:42] <StoffBox-Steve> jup :D
[11:42] <goldfish_> dazed: no
[11:42] <dazed> or apt-get?
[11:42] <goldfish_> apt-get
[11:42] <goldfish_> www.ubuntuguide.or
[11:42] <Kokey> this machine has the 865 intel, so it doesn't work with xorg and the patch
[11:42] <goldfish_> dazed: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:42] <StoffBox-Steve> sun is the right place :D
[11:42] <goldfish_> or that
[11:42] <goldfish_> well
[11:42] <goldfish_> read the instuctions at ubuntuguide.org
[11:42] <StoffBox-Steve> goldfish_, the guide linking to sun :D
[11:42] <dazed> ok
[11:42] <goldfish_> yeah
[11:42] <goldfish_> but instructions are there StoffBox-Steve
[11:42] <goldfish_> sorry
[11:43] <StoffBox-Steve> right :) there are awesame usefull :D
[11:44] <guptan>  my windows system often crashes(freezing up - reason unkown) so I changed to ubuntu - ubuntu keeps freezing more often, what cud be the problem, how can I trace it out
[11:45] <dazed> i cant find java on that site goldfish_
[11:45] <goldfish_> lol
[11:45] <goldfish_> lol
[11:45] <goldfish_> haha
[11:46] <goldfish_> dazed: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:46] <goldfish_> instuctions are there
[11:46] <goldfish_> the link to the .bin is there to
[11:46] <goldfish_> which is on sun.com :)
[11:47] <Welly> hi all, do you know if there's a utility for building metacity themes?
[11:47] <Lemonzest> does aMule take on the GTK2 theme? because it looks like a kde app
[11:48] <StoffBox-Steve> guptan, sounds like thats not an OS prob ... maybe a hardware .... have you made a memtest ?
[11:48] <guptan> StoffBox-Steve, no, not yet
[11:50] <StoffBox-Steve> ok memtest need _TIME_ but is usefull  reboot and on the grub bootup menu chose memtest86 guptan  .. when the bootmenu dosnt come up and start press ESC
[11:50] <wasabi> im having some trouble getting tomboy running
[11:50] <wasabi> it doesn't. launches, sits there for awhile, then exits.
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> try running it with --tray-icon
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> by default it tries to be a panel applet, which doesn't seem to work.  for me, anyway.
[11:52] <usual> where are the latest gstreamer packages for hoary
[11:52] <usual> seb128?
[11:52] <guptan> StoffBox-Steve, thanks for the info
[11:53] <zul> evening
[11:53] <seb128> usual: in hoary
[11:53] <usual> seb128, k
[11:54] <seb128> why ?
[11:54] <seb128> apt-cache show package | grep Version to see the version of a package
[11:55] <usual> seb128, I had a problem and ended up with a fresh install of hoary. It's been so long since my warty/hoary/multimedia install that I didn't know if anything had changed since
[11:55] <chillywilly> bah
[11:57] <StoffBox-Steve> :D np guptan
[11:58] <usual> seb128, What makes the package versions vary? Like I notice most of the packages in hoary are 0.8.7 but some are 0.8.9
[11:58] <seb128> usual: gstreamer is 0.8.9 and gst-plugins 0.8.7, they are upstream versions
[11:59] <blizah> so how do i use apt-get?...i couldnt find a good howto
[11:59] <usual> seb128, thank you