[12:00] <StoffBox-Steve> console > man apt-get blizah :D has many info of use
[12:00] <seb128> usual: np
[12:02] <neighborlee> i'm only getting 885mb showing out of my total 1GB of ram...how do I enable the rest ? ( please dont tell me I have to recompile kernel) ;-)))
[12:03] <stazich> hey do any of u guys know why i cannot log in to root? i had debian installed before ubuntu, and then i put warty on, and during install it did not even ask me for a root passwrd id like to use.. now when i try SU in term it asks me for pword , i try my old on debian, dont work... says sorry...
[12:03] <goldfish_> StoffBox-Steve: ubuntu has no root account
[12:03] <goldfish_> gah
[12:03] <goldfish_> tab
[12:03] <virtuald> heh
[12:03] <neighborlee> stazich, this is how ubuntu works.
[12:03] <goldfish_> stazich: no root account on ubuntu
[12:03] <virtuald> it does
[12:03] <queuetue> neighborlee, What makes you think you're only getting  885?
[12:03] <virtuald> just not activated
[12:03] <virtuald> ie no password
[12:03] <Deviant_> anyone know how I can make my pointer larger?
[12:03] <neighborlee> stazich, you just use your normal password via : sudo program
[12:04] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, according to gnome-monitor
[12:04] <StoffBox-Steve> ubuntu dont need a root goldfish_ :D root PW is you PW ... and you can use sudo or gksudo
[12:04] <acs> Deviant_, make it point to something larger?
[12:04] <Quest-Master> neighborlee: huh?
[12:04] <goldfish_> StoffBox-Steve: lol
[12:04] <goldfish_> yeah i know
[12:04] <goldfish_> mis-tab
[12:04] <Deviant_> acs , no make the pointer larger in general
[12:04] <Deviant_> its too small
[12:05] <lok> you can also give a password to the root account with sudo passwd
[12:05] <StoffBox-Steve>  :D i think you know it *GG :D
[12:05] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, /sysinfo is actually where I noticed it first shrug
[12:05] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, dont you know what gnome-monitor is ?
[12:06] <Quest-Master> About the airport thing?
[12:06] <queuetue> neighborlee, Are you talking to me?
[12:06] <neighborlee> queuetue, to whomever wishes to assist
[12:06] <stazich> neighborlee: so man, i just type in sudo in prompt?
[12:07] <neighborlee> stazich, yes
[12:07] <LordC> Can anyone help with my installation hell? ( http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17950 )
[12:07] <neighborlee> stazich, so dont like it but you get used to it....
[12:07] <queuetue> neighborlee, what does cat /proc/meminfo  |grep MemTotal say?
[12:07] <neighborlee> stazich, so/some ..:(
[12:07] <neighborlee> checking
[12:08] <blizah> im so new, how do i get to the console?
[12:08] <queuetue> Actually, grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo works - wasn't sure if it would...
[12:08] <goldfish_> blizah: Apps > System tools > terminal
[12:08] <queuetue> blizah, an xterm, or a real console?
[12:08] <drspin> can I use the Hoary kernel on my Warty system?
[12:08] <blizah> erm which ever one is for apt-get
[12:08] <neighborlee> queuetue, 906736 ..so I guess /sysinfo was misleading or I read it wrong..( actually a friend pointed it out to me and I wasn't sure)
[12:09] <vEnEx> hi, perhaps anyone could help me with this? I'm installing Ubuntu at the moment (warty version). When I have to choose a video adapter/driver to properly load the 'X system', I have no idea which driver to choose. I Have a 3D Prophet 4500 (Hercules). Is there like a 'standard' driver for every video card, cause I think mine is not in the list
[12:09] <ermo> blizah, did you mean 'text-mode' console or just an X terminal? you can apt-get in both:)
[12:09] <queuetue> neighborlee, What is /sysinfo?
[12:09] <queuetue> Is that some nautilus thing?
[12:09] <blizah> i guess either works then :D
[12:09] <tizen> anyone want to give me a link or a tip for burning from the livecd?
[12:09] <neighborlee> queuetue, a pyton script I think for showing system info
[12:09] <neighborlee> I Am Using  testing/unstable <=> Linux 2.6.8.1-5-386 - i686 <=> 2254.461 Mhz - Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.26GH <=> Uptime ( 1 day, 19:09 ) <=> Memory Information ( 885 Megs Of Ram, 320 Megs Used. 564 Megs Free ) <=> HD Info ( 79G HD, 59G Free ) <=> Monitor Resolution ( 1280x1024 ) <=> Internet Info ( Downloaded 531.86M, Uploaded 116.02M )
[12:09] <neighborlee> queuetue, it does that ^^^^^
[12:09] <vEnEx> blizah > no, I tried 'ati' before, and the system couldn't start the X Server then :) had to reinstall
[12:10] <avdyk> hi
[12:11] <StoffBox-Steve> use VESA for start vEnEx VESA work with 90% of all cards
[12:11] <vEnEx> owkay, I'll give it a try. Thank you ^^
[12:11] <avdyk> what do I need as apt/sources.list to install gdm?
[12:11] <gilles> the french site of ubuntu is very nice, very clean
[12:11] <avdyk> I follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes but I can't install ubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <ermo> blizah, btw the words 'console' and 'terminal' are semantically interchangeable. There are historical differences in what they 'actually' mean, but for now, assume it means 'command-prompt'.
[12:12] <blizah> hehe ok
[12:12] <iotc247> Armaranth ya there?
[12:12] <StoffBox-Steve> how you install ubuntu avdyk ? normaly gdm and ubuntu-desktop are default installations
[12:12] <blizah> is there a gui way to use aptget?
[12:12] <iotc247> yeah
[12:12] <iotc247> synaptic
[12:12] <goldfish_> blizah: synaptic
[12:12] <colin_> cool my name is in the topic
[12:12] <ermo> blizah, actually, I don't think anyone but programmers are supposed to _truly_ understand the difference ;)
[12:12] <avdyk> StoffBox-Steve: chroot from debian
[12:13] <ermo> blizah, gnome?
[12:13] <blizah> yea im in ubuntu
[12:13] <ermo> duh of course gnome.
[12:13] <blizah> where is synaptic located?
[12:13] <StoffBox-Steve> try > apt-install gnome avdyk
[12:13] <ermo> System->Administration-Synaptic
[12:13] <gilles> what's the difference between "universe" and non universe ?
[12:13] <ermo> ->Synaptic even
[12:14] <StoffBox-Steve> ups avdyk mean > apt-get install gnome :D
[12:14] <Erik_> d
[12:14] <ermo> gilles, may I quote you on that (in a different context ;-^ )
[12:14] <stazich> neighborlee: so man i typed sudo, but it gave me like not enought parameters... how exactly should i use it?
[12:15] <neighborlee> queuetue, so is 906736 right..if so where is the other 94k at...( I have 1 gig of ram )
[12:15] <avdyk> StoffBox-Steve: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:15] <avdyk>   gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 55) but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: gnome-office (= 55) but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: bluefish but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: evolution but it is not going to be installed or
[12:15] <avdyk>                   balsa but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: gnome-cups-manager but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <Erik_> can somebody help we with screenflicker in Gnome?
[12:15] <neighborlee> stazich, sudo gedit : for example..
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: gnome-themes-extras but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: rhythmbox but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <StoffBox-Steve> try apt-get install -f avdyk
[12:15] <goldfish_> ph dear
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: synaptic but it is not going to be installed or
[12:15] <avdyk>                   gnome-apt but it is not installable
[12:15] <avdyk>          Depends: xscreensaver but it is not going to be installed
[12:15] <avdyk> ermo: Broken packages
[12:15] <neighborlee> whew ;-)
[12:15] <stazich> oh, ok... i just use it as prefix to any command im trying to use which requires root?
[12:16] <gilles> Do you all think that Hoary will be ready for April ?
[12:16] <ermo> how did he manage to not get kicked?
[12:16] <neighborlee> stazich, exactly
[12:16] <goldfish_> gilles: Apparantly it will.
[12:16] <queuetue> neighborlee, Roundoff between actual megs (1024 1024's) and ideal megabytes (1000 1000)'s?
[12:17] <queuetue> neighborlee, life's too short to chase 94k. :)
[12:17] <stazich> strabgeky it did not ask me for password
[12:17] <ermo> queuetue, ... but not if it's $s
[12:17] <neighborlee> queuetue, yeah i'm not worried...I guess /sysinfo doesn't quite 'get it right'
[12:17] <neighborlee> queuetue, much more important things to worry about <G>
[12:18] <kent> avdyk, its a big "NO NO" to post large bits of text in a channel on irc. Either past it on internet or ask to past it privatly to another channel like #avdyk or something.
[12:18] <queuetue> ermo, If I have a billion $$ (a gigbuck), then I wonuldnt chase $94k :)
[12:18] <avdyk> kent: yep, sorry
[12:18] <ermo> queuetue, point taken :)
[12:18] <jesuel> kent: #flood
[12:18] <stazich> the command is not working... im trying to build MPLAYER package, it says that my system does not satisfy dependencies...
[12:18] <avdyk> thanks for your help, switching to aptitude
[12:18] <kent> jesuel, a personal #my_channel is better. That way you dont get the other flood that is in #flood :)
[12:18] <queuetue> Also, if I had a billion $$ I would probably not be hanging out in here. :)
[12:19] <jesuel> kent: true :)
[12:19] <queuetue> In fact, if I just had $94k... :)
[12:19] <ermo> stazich, do you _have_ to compile yourself? Or are you already using the ubuntu-packaged source files?
[12:19] <jesuel> queuetue: lol
[12:20] <stazich> well i am not sure... i was told by smeone earlier to download the source files off the website and then use this command : $ dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[12:20] <bulio_II> I have a dsl ethernet modem
[12:20] <ermo> queuetue, so ... a few random bits are missing each day at, say, 7 a.m?
[12:20] <bulio_II> will ubuntu live detect it at boot?
[12:20] <Xappe> bulio_II, just boot and find out
[12:20] <bulio_II> but should it?
[12:20] <queuetue> ermo, i think they leak out late at night.  I just discover them in th emorning ... wherever I happen to wake up.
[12:21] <jesuel> bulio_II: dsl ethernet modem, you should just plug it in and it will work sir
[12:21] <bulio_II> ok great
[12:21] <jesuel> bulio_II: its a external box right?
[12:21] <jesuel> ...
[12:21] <Xappe> if it detects your ethernet card, then it should work
[12:21] <ermo> queuetue, ... as in 'Sweetie, have you seen my <beep>? I refuse to sit down to <beep>'?
[12:22] <ermo> queuetue, that would be a case of serious corruption, of course.
[12:23] <drspin> what is the best way to share files between two computers that are far away?
[12:23] <Xappe> ftp?
[12:24] <drspin> hmm - I was thinking something closer to NFS or SMB -- but I'm not sure how it would be possible to make these work from 2 different networks
[12:24] <queuetue> Heh
[12:25] <ermo> drspin, afaik, both NFS and SMB were developed to provide LAN services.
[12:26] <ermo> drspin, do you _have_ to share files real-time or do they just need to be 'synchronized'?
[12:26] <brosio> anyone could give to me a repository of ubuntu64 ?
[12:26] <drspin> ermo: right ;) well I want to store all my music and movies on my dual processor machine
[12:27] <lok> brosio, archive.ubuntu.com
[12:27] <drspin> but actually use them on my desktop
[12:27] <ermo> drspin, what distance are we talking? meters? hops? parsecs?
[12:28] <queuetue> Linear libraries-of-congress?
[12:28] <pablo928> Do I need an antivirus for Ubuntu?
[12:28] <ermo> queutue, stacked-pink-wellingtons even?
[12:29] <drspin> ermo: LOL -- about 5 feet from me -- but I want my parents to be able to use it as well (900 miles)
[12:29] <lok> pablo928, do you catch frequently virus on unix-like ?
[12:29] <ermo> queuetue stacked-pink-wellingtons even?
[12:29] <queuetue> pablo928, There are no real known linux viruses.  There is also no guarantee that there never will be, but the way linux works, it's ver hard to infect.
[12:29] <pablo928> Thanks, I was just wonderingt.
[12:29] <brosio>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[12:30] <queuetue> pablo928, doubly so with ubuntu, since you're enver supposed to run as root.  (although I do far too often.)
[12:30] <ermo> drspin, so, you have a LAN and two computers, of which one is a dual-proc server and the other is a workstation.
[12:30] <brosio> is correctly for a repository fot ubuntu64 ?
[12:30] <queuetue> pablo928, That said, there are antivurus tools for ubuntu - clamav beingone of them.
[12:30] <lok> brosio, yes
[12:30] <drspin> ermo -- sort of... but the computers each lease their own IP address from my ISP
[12:30] <brosio> ok
[12:31] <rapha> Hmm.
[12:31] <brosio> i don't known what hoary means
[12:31] <brosio> i need to install some package on a debian 64
[12:31] <lok> it's the release name of ubuntu
[12:31] <rapha> Could somebody just give me a quick hand and tell what he is getting at http://84.160.157.179/herrenberger-buehne ?
[12:31] <brosio> ok thx
[12:31] <ermo> drspin, but why don't you connect them via 2 seperate NICs? and either a switch or a x-over cable?
[12:31] <queuetue> brosio, Rough and Tough.  And current.
[12:31] <lok> you can use hoary or warty
[12:32] <lok> wrty=stable
[12:32] <ermo> drspin, doesn't _have_ to cost you a fortune, you know.
[12:32] <brosio> hoary=unstable ?
[12:32] <brosio> ok thx
[12:32] <drspin> ermo: I plan to play with VPN here soon - which is why it's setup this way -- but for now...
[12:32] <stazich> hey, what can happen if i do not satisfy 1 out of the 5 dependencies i am missing to install a package???
[12:33] <blizah> so when i hit reload in synaptic it checks for newer versions of the packages?
[12:33] <ermo> drspin, but you'd get a rather large latency. And you'd be limited to <= <min isp bandwidth>/2
[12:34] <lok> stazich, the package or some functionnality of your package doesn't work
[12:34] <ermo> Dr_Acemaster, or, ... eh ... without the /2
[12:34] <ermo> drspin, or, ... eh ... without the /2
[12:34] <drspin> ermo: bandwidth is not a problem... the latency will be annoying but I will deal with it -- it'll help motivate me to learn vpn
[12:35] <agueybana> i need some help with an installation
[12:35] <ermo> drspin, well, if you *want* to use vpn, you'll create a share medium (logically) anyway, at which point smb or nfs *should* work anyway.
[12:36] <shock> woohooo.... got the whole zope+plone thingy up and running now :D
[12:36] <blizah> can ubuntu not run the latest version of gaim?
[12:36] <shock> that was quite a fight
[12:36] <agueybana> how can one delete a previous bootloader?  I removed all partitions from my second harddrive...but when I try to boot from it, it still has an outdated (but now non-fuctioning) bootloader on it
[12:36] <drspin> so lemme restate my question - can I share files in real time with another computer on a different network?
[12:36] <stazich> haveing built the package, what do i do later with it? it is MPLAYER... i am building it in MPLAYER folder on my desktop... what r tipe for tieing it to the ubuntu pull down manu of programs afterwards??? can anyone help please? and by the way is just building it enough? doi i have to place it anywhere like "program files" for linux? sorry for these nube questions guys... forums dont really guide me through this, they too co
[12:36] <stazich> mplicated...
[12:36] <lok> blizah, use apt-get install gaim=versionnumber
[12:36] <bulio_II> well
[12:36] <bulio_II> booted up ubuntu live
[12:37] <bulio_II> modem didn't respond
[12:37] <shock> stazich - why dont u just install mplayer from marillat?
[12:37] <lok> stazich, you want to compile mplayer ?
[12:37] <shock> O_o
[12:37] <bulio_II> couldn't get on net
[12:37] <blizah> lok is that possible from synatic?
[12:37] <Loevborg> shock, it crashes.
[12:37] <shock> oh
[12:37] <shock> hm
[12:37] <blizah> synaptic
[12:37] <bulio_II> anyone able to help?
[12:37] <shock> crashes with what error?
[12:37] <ermo> drspin, ... without using vpn (or some other form of) tunneling?
[12:37] <shock> not a modem person, myself :/
[12:37] <lok> blizah, I don't konw
[12:38] <bulio_II> :/
[12:38] <bulio_II> It's dsl modem with ethernet connection
[12:38] <Loevborg> stazich, if you built a proper mplayer .deb, it should show up in your menu - at least mine does.
[12:38] <agueybana> how can one delete a previous bootloader?  I removed all partitions from my second harddrive...but when I try to boot from it, it still has an outdated (but now non-fuctioning) bootloader on it
[12:38] <lok> blizah, yeah
[12:38] <lok> right click on the package
[12:39] <stazich> i think it is compiling now... i ran a dpkg filename ... and arguments command.. it gave me lots of writing in term and is still doing something although writing now if comes isnt senseable... like its thinking heavily... supopose it is the compile process
[12:39] <drspin> what is my webmin login?
[12:39] <lok> and use "mark recommended for installation" and choice your version
[12:39] <bulio_II> hmm
[12:39] <blizah> lok in synaptic i see gaim but it says installed version 1.0.0, latest version 1.0.0  (thats after a reload)  but gaims latest version is 1.1.4
[12:39] <ermo> drspin, root:<foobar> I'd think
[12:41] <stazich> damn it... so does ubuntu not allow me to exit XWINDOWS?? i tried pressing CTRL ALT BACKSPACE, nthng...
[12:41] <agueybana> how can one delete a previous bootloader?  I removed all partitions from my second harddrive...but when I try to boot from it, it still has an outdated (but now non-fuctioning) bootloader on it
[12:41] <ermo> stazich, easy man. try ctrl+alt+f1
[12:41] <lok> blizah, in this case this is your apt source which don't have the latest version
[12:41] <bob2> agueybana: you don't delete
[12:41] <lok> you have a ubuntu warty ?
[12:41] <bob2> agueybana: you install another one over it
[12:41] <agueybana> i don't delete?
[12:42] <agueybana> well
[12:42] <agueybana> that's the problem
[12:42] <agueybana> i can't seem to install ubuntu GRUB on my second harddrive
[12:42] <ermo> agueybana, you need to zero out the first 448 bytes of your /dev/hda (if you zero out the whole 512 bytes in the mbr, you ruin your partition table as sell)
[12:42] <ermo> agueybana, as well, even.
[12:42] <agueybana> i don't want to touch /dev/hda
[12:42] <gurran> who do i start the tightvncserver ? =S
[12:42] <agueybana> i want to deal with /dev/hdb
[12:42] <ermo> agueybana, i'd advise you read double-check  the numbers, though.
[12:42] <agueybana> i want to leave /dev/hda purely for windows partitions
[12:42] <|QuaD|_> where can i find linux-headers-2.6.10-2 headers?
[12:42] <ermo> agueybana, then /dev/hdb then
[12:43] <agueybana> i did that
[12:43] <agueybana> Ubuntu wouldn't load
[12:43] <agueybana> it would give me error
[12:43] <agueybana> tried /dev/hdb1
[12:43] <agueybana> also gave no success
[12:43] <agueybana> so i'm trying to install ubuntu on /dev/hdb and install NO bootloader.
[12:43] <agueybana> that way, just Linux boots...i'd rather use bios to switch between OS
[12:43] <ermo> agueybana, suppososing that your bios is set to boot from the correct harddrive, it should be doable
[12:44] <agueybana> it is
[12:44] <agueybana> i have it set to booting from HDD 1
[12:44] <agueybana> instead of HHD0
[12:44] <ermo> agueybana, ... and grub won't load?
[12:44] <agueybana> well, grub would load
[12:44] <agueybana> the menu would shhow
[12:44] <stazich> ok, is there an easy way to eject a cd? i currently do it through starting cd player and pressing eject
[12:44] <stazich> ;-)
[12:44] <agueybana> but then it would say "file not found" when I pressed enter on Ubuntu
[12:44] <lok> stazich, use the command eject
[12:44] <agueybana> this has happened 3 times with different Linux distros
[12:44] <gurran> who do i start the tightvncserver ? =S
[12:44] <agueybana> i frankly distrust the bootloaders
[12:44] <agueybana> sometimes they work
[12:45] <agueybana> sometimes they fuck up stuff
[12:45] <blizah> lok mind i asking you how i have my apt source have the latest version?
[12:45] <lok> or eject -t to insert  ... I love this command :)
[12:45] <ermo> agueybana, is your grub configured to use (hd1,0)?
[12:45] <bulio_II> anyone able to help with my internet problem?
[12:45] <agueybana> i'm not sure
[12:45] <lok> blizah, you have the latest stable realse
[12:45] <agueybana> i just put /dev/hdb on the prompt
[12:45] <lok> realese
[12:45] <ermo> agueybana, ok.
[12:45] <agueybana> instead of booting it to the MBR of the HDA
[12:45] <blizah> yea of ubuntu
[12:45] <stazich> ;-) thx loc
[12:45] <lok> if you want the 1.1.4 you must pass to unstable
[12:46] <blizah> ah
[12:46] <bulio_II> booted up ubuntu live
[12:46] <bulio_II> modem didn't respond
[12:46] <bulio_II> couldn't get on net
[12:46] <bulio_II> It's dsl modem with ethernet connection
[12:46] <ermo> agueybana, how about making an entry in your boot.ini file on your windows nt (derived) partition?
[12:46] <lok> you just have to replace warty in your source.list by hoary
[12:46] <agueybana> hmmmm
[12:46] <agueybana> GOOD IDEA!
[12:46] <blizah> or wait for stable hoary
[12:46] <agueybana> that would preclude the need for Linux based bootloaders
[12:46] <blizah> well since im new to linux ill stay with the stable for now
[12:47] <stazich> how long does it take to compile an app? its been on for about 5-10 min already for this mplayer imtrying to build...
[12:47] <agueybana> but...even for that, I need to learn how to "flush out" all data from HDB, because right now, there is an old, broken bootloader on it
[12:47] <blizah> so ubuntu users have to wait every 6 months to use the new version of things?
[12:47] <lok> stazich, mplayer is a huge apps
[12:47] <Weems> how do i restore the mbr?
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> blizah: no, they have to wait 6 months to use a stable release of new things
[12:47] <Xenguy> blizah: 6 months is nothing
[12:47] <agueybana> i removed all partitions from HDB
[12:47] <hawke_> Weems: in windows, fdisk /mbr
[12:47] <stazich> hehe, and i am running an old 333imac ;-))
[12:47] <agueybana> but there still seems to be some "boot" data on it
[12:48] <ermo> agueybana, like I said, zero out the drive. like so "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdx size=448 count=1"
[12:48] <blizah> ah k
[12:48] <Xenguy> blizah: the obsession with always running the latest stuff is crazy IMO
[12:48] <Weems> hawke_, I cant get in to windows
[12:48] <hawke_> Weems: in Ubuntu, install-mbr /dev/hdn
[12:48] <lok> yeah this too
[12:48] <agueybana> ermo, how do I do that?
[12:48] <blizah> well what about security fixes...
[12:48] <agueybana> is there an easier way?  An ISO image utility that I can burn onto a CD to do it for me?
[12:48] <Xenguy> blizah: different issue
[12:48] <Weems> hawke_, install-mbr command not found
[12:48] <stazich> haveing built the package, what do i do later with it? it is MPLAYER... i am building it in MPLAYER folder on my desktop... what r tipe for tieing it to the ubuntu pull down manu of programs afterwards??? can anyone help please? and by the way is just building it enough? doi i have to place it anywhere like "program files" for linux? sorry for these nube questions guys... forums dont really guide me through this, they too co
[12:48] <stazich> mplicated...
[12:49] <drspin> Heh - had to enable my root password -- BOO!!  regardless... I keep getting access denied for 127.0.0.1 -->
[12:49] <hawke_> Weems: It's in the package mbr
[12:49] <drspin> because I used the wrong login too many times...
[12:49] <ermo> agueybana, but you still need to install a bootloader on /dev/hdb -> if you don't, the nt bootloader will just dump you n bytes into the mbr on /dev/hdb where the bootloader is supposed to be. But you just wrote zeroes there.
[12:49] <lok> stazich, a compilation it's ./configure && make && make install   most the time
[12:49] <lok> but it's also error msgs ;)
[12:49] <bob2> drspin: you don't need to enable it
[12:49] <agueybana> My goal from now on is to keep all HDA partitions to be Windows, with Windows booting solely on it (if Bios is set to it FIRST).  Then, put Linux on HDB completely, and make it the sole OS there.  That way, the bootloaders don't corrupt the other OS's boot procedure
[12:50] <ermo> agueybana, but really, if you haven't already, go to http://tldp.org/ and look at the boot howtos
[12:50] <agueybana> ah
[12:50] <agueybana> ok
[12:50] <Weems> hawke_, im running the livecd
[12:50] <agueybana> ok
[12:50] <drspin> bob2: I just found something that allows me to set up a user specific for webmin which I will do... how can I get rid of the block for 127.0.0.1?
[12:50] <agueybana> here's my status
[12:50] <agueybana> my HDB is completely empty
[12:50] <bob2> drspin: no idea, I don't use webmin
[12:50] <ermo> agueybana, I'm pretty sure you'll find what you're looking for there, along with nice and proper examples on how people made it work.
[12:50] <agueybana> i can run Ubuntu, and isntall on it
[12:50] <agueybana> ah
[12:50] <agueybana> ok
[12:50] <agueybana> i will check then
[12:50] <agueybana> thank you
[12:51] <drspin> bob2: I never have either...
[12:51] <ermo> Agrajag, you are most welcome :)
[12:51] <bulio_II> if you can help me with my modem, please query me
[12:51] <ermo> agueybana, you are most welcome :)
[12:52] <gurran> does anyone know how  i start the tightvncserver ?
[12:52] <blizah> so do i have to go to unstable ver. of ubuntu to use the latest firefox?\
[12:53] <lok> blizah, your firefox is patched
[12:53] <ermo> blizah, per definition, I'm afraid the answer is yes.
[12:53] <lok> but if you want the latest yes you must use unstable version
[12:53] <ermo> blizah, but as lok points out, do you really *need* to?
[12:54] <blizah> so i might not be using the latest ver of firefox but all the security bugs they have found lately have been patched?
[12:54] <lok> in other hand I use unstable ver. and I don't have any probleme
[12:54] <ermo> gurran, on tightvncserver, umm, no - but I didn't read the README either ;)
[12:54] <blizah> have been patched on my firefox...
[12:54] <bob2> blizah: yes
[12:54] <lok> the word unstable doesn't match realy the package
[12:54] <Tannenbaum> Hi..
[12:54] <ermo> gurran, (j/k - that answer was not nice)
[12:54] <Tannenbaum> could someone please lend me a hand?
[12:54] <gurran> ermo i cant find the blody readme
[12:55] <blizah> ah ok (im starting to understand)...sorry it took so long
[12:55] <Tannenbaum> with an install problem...
[12:55] <Tannenbaum> extrange one...
[12:55] <ermo> gurran, ok. let's get you on the road then, shall we?
[12:55] <gurran> ok
[12:56] <lok> Tannenbaum << with a nick like this you must want to launch a troll ^^
[12:56] <pablo928> What's the unstable part of Hoary? I loaded it and see  no problems.
[12:56] <bob2> or is just a confused fan(boy|girl)
[12:56] <lok> but anyhow what's your probleme
[12:56] <bob2> pablo928: unstable as in it changes
[12:56] <bulio_II> should an ethernet modem with ppoe authentication (dsl internet) work with ubuntu live?
[12:56] <mpq> would 20GB be enough for an ubuntu partition?
[12:56] <fr500> more than
[12:57] <fr500> mpq, i have 5gb
[12:57] <fr500> with all the sw i need
[12:57] <mpq> ok
[12:57] <Tannenbaum> the thing is that when it gets to partitioning the  disk..
[12:57] <pablo928> bob2: I do notice a lot of updates/upgrades daily.
[12:57] <mpq> can I safely resize the partition?
[12:57] <Tannenbaum> the install process can mount the partitioned space..
[12:57] <lok> pablo928, same for me but it's just that the dev team doesn't say that we can't have a probleme with instead of warty
[12:57] <ermo> gurran, I'm reading through http://www.tightvnc.com/doc/unix/README.txt
[12:57] <Tannenbaum> no matter what kind of file system it is..
[12:57] <bob2> mpq: depends what filesystem it is
[12:57] <mpq> I have both hoary and xp on my computer
[12:57] <gurran> thx
[12:57] <bulio_II> how do I setup pppoe internet in ubuntu?
[12:58] <mpq> and I want to have a partition that I can use to transfer files between the two OS
[12:58] <Tannenbaum> I've tryed to partition the disk outside the install process..
[12:58] <ermo> gurran, but it doesn't apply, unfortunately. Proceeding to the other available docs
[12:58] <Tannenbaum> using Knoppix and fdsik..
[12:58] <bob2> bulio_II: sudo pppoeconf
[12:58] <mpq> ubuntu uses ext3 right?
[12:58] <bulio_II> it'll work then?
[12:58] <fr500> i have this in crontab:  00 18 * * *      /bin/sh /etc/backup.sh
[12:58] <Tannenbaum> and install can?t mount either...
[12:58] <fr500> but the script doesnt work
[12:58] <fr500> any help?
[12:58] <pablo928> So if I have a major problem with Hoary I'll try a teinstall.
[12:58] <bob2> mpq: that is the default, indeed
[12:58] <pablo928> reinstall
[12:58] <bob2> fr500: have you read "man crontab"?
[12:58] <mpq> can ext3 be safely resized?
[12:58] <fr500> yes
[12:58] <ermo> gurran, I'd think http://www.tightvnc.com/vncserver.1.html is what you need
[12:59] <fr500> maybe i missed something
[12:59] <Tannenbaum> lok any clue?
[12:59] <ermo> gurran, ... but doesn't vino work for you?
[12:59] <lok> Tannenbaum, you can't mount the partition that's it
[12:59] <bulio_II> what will I need to know about my internet when I sudo pppoeconf?
[12:59] <bob2> mpq: yes
[12:59] <lok> mmh
[12:59] <Tannenbaum> lok that it seems
[12:59] <bob2> fr500: and the script runs fine from the command line?
[12:59] <bob2> bulio_II: your username and password
[12:59] <mpq> I want to have a partition that I can use to transfer files between xp and linux
[12:59] <fr500> yes
[01:00] <mpq> is that possible?
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> no matter the way i partition the disk
[01:00] <ermo> gurran, ok so far?
[01:00] <fr500> not even /bin/sh needed
[01:00] <bulio_II> bob2: and this should make the internet work in ubuntu live?
[01:00] <mpq> basically a partition I can write to in either OS
[01:00] <gurran> yes think i got what i need thank you
[01:00] <lok> Tannenbaum, do you have specified during the ubuntu installation the futur mount point of the partition?
[01:00] <ermo> gurran, ok
[01:00] <mpq> how would I do that, and what filesystem would I need to use?
[01:00] <bob2> bulio_II: no idea
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> yes..
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> I use a swap..
[01:00] <bob2> I've never bothered with the live cd
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> a boot ..
[01:00] <bulio_II> and how will I connect after this?
[01:00] <Tannenbaum> and a /
[01:01] <fr500> bob2, do i need a blank line at the end?
[01:01] <ermo> mpq, use ext2 and install the nt ext2 vfs layer?
[01:01] <mpq> huh?
[01:01] <ermo> mpq, ok :) let's try it again, slower this time.
[01:01] <Tannenbaum> lok and they are all specified..
[01:01] <mpq> can xp read/write to ext2?
[01:01] <javiolo> im trying to install a theme, but it says that i dont have gtk2.0
[01:01] <javiolo> and its installed
[01:01] <ermo> mpq, by default no, but with a vfs (Virtual File System) module, yes.
[01:01] <bulio_II> after I setup pppoeconf, will it automatically connect to the net?
[01:02] <bob2> bulio_II: sudo pon
[01:02] <mpq> what about fat32?
[01:02] <lok> Tannenbaum, you don't have any error message when you parted the hd ?
[01:02] <LordC> ok, thats like my 5th attempt, i cannot get ubuntu installed :/
[01:02] <mpq> is that any good?
[01:02] <bob2> mpq: no
[01:02] <Tannenbaum> lok no
[01:02] <mpq> what's wrong with it?
[01:02] <bob2> mpq: it's only useful as something both windows and linux can write to
[01:02] <bulio_II> and sudo pon will make me connect?
[01:02] <ermo> mpq, well, if you're not afraid of losing your date, then yes.
[01:02] <lok> lol ermo
[01:02] <bob2> mpq: no permissions, case insensitive, file size limits, file name limits etc
[01:02] <fr500> bob2 is there any way to see if the scrip even attempted to run?
[01:03] <ermo> mpq, in short: It's a sucky hack.
[01:03] <Tannenbaum> lok I even checked partitions for physical errors
[01:03] <bob2> fr500: read your logs
[01:03] <lok> bob2, no fat32 can't handle file > than 4GB
[01:03] <bulio_II> and sudo pon will make me connect?
[01:03] <bob2> fr500: /var/local/syslog
[01:03] <ermo> mpq, it's not what most people would consider a real filesystem.
[01:03] <bob2> lok: that's what I said
[01:03] <bob2> bulio_II: yes
[01:03] <Tannenbaum> lok the error comes after ubuntu install formats the partitions..
[01:03] <bob2> mpq: also, it's slow and inefficient
[01:03] <mpq> didn't know that
[01:03] <Tannenbaum> lok or tryes to mount them
[01:03] <bulio_II> ok
[01:03] <lok> bob2, sorry I misunderstood
[01:03] <bob2> FAT is like "My First File System"
[01:03] <bulio_II> so this should work?
[01:04] <lok> Tannenbaum, with konoppix you can mount them
[01:04] <mpq> I didn't know fat was so bad
[01:04] <LordC> Does the regular install kernel accept scsi hdds, or do i need to use a special kernel?
[01:04] <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/kubuntu/kubuntu.png
[01:04] <ermo> mpg, fat32 derived from fat16, which is derived from fat12 which was a bad idea to begin with. And so was the i8088. But let's not go there.
[01:04] <fr500> bob2, fnf
[01:04] <lok> mpq, the only advanteges is realy the write support by both linux and windows
[01:05] <Tannenbaum> lok yes, and with a Gentoo LiveCD too...
[01:05] <fr500> file not found
[01:05] <mpq> which is really the only thing I need it for
[01:05] <hawke_> lok: And it's fast because it's so simple
[01:05] <lok> Tannenbaum, your ubuntu cd it's a warty or a hoary ?
[01:05] <bob2> fr500: ?
[01:05] <ermo> mpq, lemme throw you a link
[01:05] <Tannenbaum> lok I've parted the disk using  fdisk and mk2fs -j
[01:05] <mpq> right now the only way I can transfer files between windows and linux is a 256MB flash drive
[01:05] <Tannenbaum> lok warty
[01:06] <fr500> bob2, file not found
[01:06] <fr500> i swera
[01:06] <fr500> swear
[01:06] <lok> wow it's very weird
[01:06] <lok> it is a sata hd ?
[01:06] <bob2> fr500: that's pretty amazing
[01:06] <Tannenbaum> lok yap...
[01:06] <bob2> fr500: er, /var/log/syslog
[01:06] <Tannenbaum> lok yes, sata
[01:07] <lok> Tannenbaum, the probleme can maybe be it
[01:07] <Tannenbaum> lok it's giving me a lot of problems
[01:07] <Tannenbaum> lok so I guesseed too..
[01:07] <ermo> mpq, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO.html#toc6
[01:07] <lok> try to install hoary instead of warty
[01:07] <spudse> Hi, i've got a 1,5 gb harddisk and i was wondering if i could install ubuntu on it
[01:07] <spudse> couldnt find it in the forums
[01:07] <bob2> spudse: the default install won't fit
[01:07] <Tannenbaum> mmm...
[01:08] <bob2> I wouldn't bother with the forums
[01:08] <lok> maybe the install kernel can handle it but it's strange that you can partition it but can't mount
[01:08] <mpq> ermo, it's not working
[01:08] <spudse> how do i do custom install ? because last time i installed it (on larger hd) it didnt ask for custom
[01:08] <ermo> mpq, really?
[01:08] <Tannenbaum> lok I don't now, but I'm going mad...
[01:08] <mpq> I think it's on my end
[01:09] <Tannenbaum> lok SATA is a hell of a pain..
[01:09] <mpq> I can't access any websites at all for some reason
[01:09] <mpq> yet IRC works fine
[01:09] <ermo> mpq, try navigating to tldp.org and find the filesystem howto
[01:09] <ermo> mpq, ... oh
[01:09] <lok> yeah I've a friend who have a sata ... and lots of probleme
[01:10] <Tannenbaum> lok gives you a lot of problems qwhen you recompile your own kernel...
[01:10] <ermo> mpq, can you 'traceroute'?
[01:10] <mpq> I don't know what that is
[01:10] <ermo> mpq, can you 'nslookup'?
[01:10] <ermo> mpq, running ubuntu?
[01:10] <Tannenbaum> lok where can I download hoary
[01:10] <Tannenbaum> ?
[01:10] <mpq> ermo: yeah
[01:11] <Tannenbaum> mm..
[01:11] <bob2> spudse: archive_copier/copy=false
[01:11] <Tannenbaum> lok do you think I could try using a LiveCD?
[01:11] <mpq> I got "connection timed out"
[01:11] <Tannenbaum> lok partitioning with knoppix..
[01:12] <lok> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/
[01:12] <ermo> mpq, do you have 'Applications->System tools->Network tools' ?
[01:12] <lok> if you have a rw then I think use it .....
[01:12] <fr500> does cron requiere computer running 24/7? or something
[01:12] <mpq> ermo: yeah
[01:12] <fr500> doesnt seem to work
[01:12] <ermo> fr500, actually, yes (in a sense)
[01:13] <lok> try the install normal
[01:13] <mpq> it was working fine until I opened xchat
[01:13] <fr500> well it's mostly up since it's my main router
[01:13] <fr500> i work in an isp
[01:13] <mpq> now websites aren't loading
[01:13] <lok> or with a livecd you can always use a dbootstrap
[01:13] <fr500> it's a simple script to upload my current routing table to an ftp
[01:13] <LordC> Im seriously low on ideas here, can someone help me getting Ubuntu installed please.
[01:13] <LordC> Im using a SCSI system, if that matters - during install i get told setup is  to load some modules: amd76xrom ide-mod ide-probe-mod ide-detect ide-floppy
[01:14] <ermo> fr500, there is a 'work-alike' replacement called 'anacron'
[01:14] <bob2> fr500: it requires the system to be running when the job is scheduled
[01:14] <lok> but it's harder to use than a good install
[01:14] <fr500> of course
[01:14] <bob2> LordC: ask on the mailing listr
[01:14] <fr500> it's running
[01:14] <ermo> fr500, which is geared towards workstations more than servers.
[01:14] <Tannenbaum> lok I've tryed normal install and it gives me problems too..
[01:14] <bob2> fr500: and the script works fine when run manually?
[01:14] <fr500> ermo, it's a server
[01:14] <fr500> bob2, yes of course
[01:14] <lok> yes ...
[01:15] <mpq> I blame my router
[01:15] <mpq> it's easy to blame my router
[01:15] <bob2> fr500: you know the difference between root and user crontabs, right?
[01:15] <lok> then try grumpy with 100 candle and status of most old divinity a night of full moon ;)
[01:15] <fr500> well it's supposed to be run as root
[01:15] <lok> s/grumpy/hoary
[01:15] <fr500> or superuser
[01:15] <ermo> mpq, well, you need to check that your resolver is working (software that translates names like tldp.org to ip-adresses)
[01:16] <bob2> fr500: yes, but you know the difference in format, right?
[01:16] <Tannenbaum> :)
[01:16] <fr500> not really, nothing in man
[01:16] <mpq> how do I check that?
[01:16] <fr500> or yes
[01:16] <bob2> fr500: there is
[01:16] <fr500> in man?
[01:17] <bob2> fr500: if it's the system crontab, you need to specify the user to run as
[01:17] <fr500> oh
[01:17] <ermo> mpq, with the network tools. "Fire it up" as the Starcraft flamethrower units so succintly put it.
[01:17] <spudse> Hello, how do i custom install ubuntu ? (im using 1,5 gb harddisk)
[01:17] <mpq> it's open, but what am I looking for?
[01:17] <fr500> bob2, that in man?
[01:17] <bob2> fr500: yes
[01:18] <ermo> mpq, lookup
[01:18] <bob2> spudse: I answered you already
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> ok..
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> thanks for your help..
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> I?ll keep looking...
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> or build it from scratch..
[01:18] <spudse> bob2 i was offline
[01:18] <spudse> i guess, system freeze
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> or shoot myself
[01:18] <lok> lol
[01:18] <fr500> wow, guess im blind
[01:18] <Tannenbaum> either one :)
[01:19] <bob2> 10:11:25           bob2 | spudse: archive_copier/copy=false
[01:19] <Tannenbaum> I?ll try the candle stuff..
[01:19] <thanatosys> hello everyone
[01:19] <CarlK2> just plugged in a HP dj 3320 usb printer to this warty box - "Add a printer" says "no printers detected" - is this normal?
[01:19] <Tannenbaum> seems very promising ;)
[01:19] <spudse> bob2: where do i type that, and what exacly does it do ?
[01:19] <thanatosys> I would like to share a valuable linux tip
[01:19] <lok> Tannenbaum, place it on a pentacle
[01:19] <thanatosys> dont remove the log files
[01:19] <thanatosys> i did and i have spend all afternoon reloading all of my installed stuff
[01:19] <ermo> thanatosys, you tell that to J Random Hacker
[01:19] <thanatosys> ?
[01:19] <Tannenbaum> ok, so long and thanks for all the fish
[01:20] <bob2> spudse: at the boot prompt
[01:20] <rattboi> where do you post ubuntu bug reporst?
[01:20] <rattboi> I've never done one
[01:20] <bob2> spudse: it stops the installer copying 600MB of .debs to the hard disk
[01:20] <bob2> rattboi: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:20] <thanatosys> is there a way to speed up the process of ripping cd's
[01:20] <bob2> thanatosys: get a better drive
[01:20] <thanatosys> takes forever lol
[01:20] <thanatosys> its a 24x heh
[01:20] <ermo> thanatosys, it was a pun. J Random Hacker is the 'John Doe' of hackers. Removing your tracks usually is a good idea for an intruder (=erasing/altering log files)
[01:20] <lok> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[01:20] <thanatosys> ahh i get it
[01:21] <thanatosys> well i always heard to delete or edit log files
[01:21] <bob2> thanatosys: 24x is a lie for audio cds
[01:21] <thanatosys> so i just deleted the one that the log viewer pointed to
[01:21] <rattboi> I really like the new ubuntu update manager, but there's a bug with the interface
[01:21] <spudse> bob2: but ubuntu wont come with any programs installed then ?
[01:21] <thanatosys> bad bad idea
[01:21] <CarlK2> thanatosys, 24x doesn't apply to audio ripping - thats a different (slower) spec that is burried somewhere
[01:21] <thanatosys> yea 24x is the speed of the drive
[01:21] <thanatosys> im ripping at 2.2-2.4x
[01:21] <bob2> spudse: it will be fine
[01:21] <spudse> okay cool :)
[01:21] <bob2> spudse: it just might take longer to install
[01:21] <spudse> i type it at the boot ?
[01:22] <bulio_II> Internet still working
[01:22] <bulio_II> *not
[01:22] <jupiterste> good evening
[01:22] <thanatosys> top of the evening to ya
[01:23] <jupiterste> i just installed ubuntu for the first time and have setup users, but am wondering how to prevent them from shutting down
[01:23] <jupiterste> i see the Logout panel that a normal user can shutdown
[01:23] <bob2> if they have physical access, that seems a bit pointless
[01:23] <fr500> well doesnt work
[01:23] <ermo> bob2, good point
[01:24] <fr500> i used crontab -u root -e
[01:24] <bob2> fr500: dude
[01:24] <bob2> fr500: did you read the crontab man page or not?
[01:24] <bob2> fr500: you need to check the "example system cron file" section
[01:24] <fr500> yes, but i dont see formating
[01:24] <bob2>        # m h dom mon dow user    command
[01:25] <bob2> you don't have a user column
[01:25] <spudse> bob2: where do i type --> archive_copier/copy=false
[01:25] <CarlK2> lsusb isn't returnning anything, or returning to the prompt
[01:25] <jupiterste> bob2: they could shut down if they are in through XDMCP, which I don't want
[01:25] <bob2> spudse: at the boot prompt
[01:25] <bob2> jupiterste: ok
[01:25] <bulio_II> internet doesn't work
[01:25] <bulio_II> tried the pppoeconf
[01:25] <spudse> okay thanks
[01:25] <fr500> bob2, well i cant find that section, all i did is man crontab
[01:25] <spudse> im trying it out
[01:25] <bob2> fr500: man 5 crontab
[01:26] <fr500> wow
[01:26] <fr500> thx a lot
[01:26] <edlang> My dear Ubuntu // thanks for today's big upgrade // my bandwidth is raped
[01:26] <ermo> jupiterste, try System->Administration->Login Screen Setup
[01:27] <ermo> jupiterste, In the Security tab, there's an option disallowing that says 'Secure Actions menu'
[01:28] <ermo> jupiterste, boy, that was bad english
[01:28] <jupiterste> emro you could say it anyway you want :) i can't complain about free help
[01:29] <ermo> jupiterste,  In the Security tab, there's an option that says 'Secure Actions menu' <- is what I wanted to say
[01:29] <thanatosys> besides gimp what is the best photo editor in linux
[01:29] <jupiterste> ermo, i'm going to give it a shot, brb
[01:30] <Quarupt> anyone bult a working copy of gaim-vv yet?
[01:32] <ermo> fr500, in case you were wondering 'man 5 crontab' means that you want the crontab manual that deals with the format of the configuration file (yes, it's top secret, but true nonetheless. man man for more info)
[01:33] <ermo> (pun intended)
[01:33] <nix000> if anoyone who uses whereami can show how /etc/interfaces look like i'll apreciate
[01:33] <ermo> nix000, why not just use gnome-terminal and write 'man 5 interfaces'?
[01:34] <fr500> bob2, is this requiered?  /etc/backup.sh --report /etc/cron.daily
[01:34] <fr500> the --report thing
[01:35] <nix000> ermo: i already wasted hours on this .. i guess i could resort to loosing the same amount now that i feel i am close :-)
[01:36] <ermo> nix000, at the bottom of the man file, it says to take a look at /usr/share/doc/ifupdaown/examples/network-interfaces
[01:36] <jupiterste> ermo, no go
[01:36] <blizah> how do i "just uncomment the main lines in the sources.list first"
[01:36] <blizah> whats uncomment mean?
[01:36] <jupiterste> take the #s out
[01:36] <blizah> ah ok
[01:37] <nix000> ermo: having a laptop i am trying to switch between multiple wifi networks between home and work. thats is what wheami is supposed to make easier !
[01:37] <ermo> nix000, sorry. I guess I completely missed that part. My bad.
[01:37] <jupiterste> ermo, it just works as if the option wasn't selected, but isn't it true that ubuntu doesn't have a root password?
[01:38] <gurran> can somebody send me a URL to a HowTo i need to change a directory from Owner Root so i can read it..
[01:38] <ermo> jupiterste, did you use the 'standard greeter'? or the graphical one?
[01:38] <jupiterste> graphical
[01:38] <ermo> jupiterste, try the standard one.
[01:39] <nix000> qurran google for chmod root group user
[01:40] <gurran> didnt think chmod +rw would work but it did thank god
[01:40] <ermo> gurran, that would be 'thank GNU'
[01:40] <gurran> hehe srry thank gnu
[01:40] <Quarupt> we need a fact bot in here
[01:41] <ermo> Quarupt, no, we just happen to have an
[01:41] <ermo> Quarupt, 'not-so-unixy-userbase'
[01:41] <ermo> Quarupt, 'a' user...
[01:41] <nix000> gurran: thanks linux not gnu !
[01:42] <gurran> yeah yeah what ever
[01:43] <jupiterste> ermo, sorry it did actually make it ask for a password on the "Action" menu
[01:43] <ermo> gurran, did you get the vnc thingy work?
[01:43] <ermo> gurran, *to work, even
[01:43] <jupiterste> ermo, but i'm trying to prevent it when in a session under Computer - Logout
[01:45] <gurran> well no but somebody got my password to the Webmin and changed everything including the password so i need to set everything back to normal before i procced with the vnc problem
[01:48] <tub-> where r all the ladies
[01:52] <|QuaD-> hey, is there a package for the 2.6.11 restricted modules yet?
[01:54] <ammad> Is there something up with the archive?
[01:55] <mseney> why would synaptic say i have Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5 when uname -rsa says I have "Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-4-686"?
[01:55] <tck> damn array-6 came out today, didnt even know :P
[01:55] <mseney> i didn't either
[01:57] <mseney> how do you upgrade to that ? $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:57] <|QuaD-> any developers know how to get the linux-restricted package compiled?
[01:57] <jesuel> mseney: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:58] <mseney> jesuel, oh i usually do that daily
[01:58] <mseney> jesuel, your saying if i have array-5 that it will bring me current w/ 6?
[01:58] <jesuel> I *believe* so, though i could be wrong :)
[01:59] <mseney> k
[01:59] <mseney> brb
[02:00] <jesuel> brb myself
[02:01] <Elsidox> Kubuntu rules
[02:01] <Elsidox> =)
[02:01] <trans_err> Elsidox: kubuntu?
[02:01] <Elsidox> trans_err, the kde version of ubuntu
[02:02] <delltony> i don't know how to ask this so i will give it a shot is it normal to see like a drag effect when maximizing and minimizing your windows? what i mean is you see the border of the dialogbox board trace itself down to the panel tray and then if you maximize you see the boards get bigger and bigger till the application appears
[02:02] <trans_err> Elsidox: heh- i use it and never knew it was called that
[02:03] <Elsidox> trans_err, lol. join #kubuntu. Its were all use cool kde peps hang out. =)
[02:03] <fr500> ahahaha doesnt work
[02:03] <Elsidox> us cool*
[02:03] <fr500> -_-
[02:03] <trans_err> Elsidox: its not any different from installing kde in ubuntu?
[02:03] <trans_err> rightr?
[02:04] <Riddell> trans_err: we have an ISO now
[02:04] <Elsidox> trans_err, sure it is.
[02:04] <EricNeon> morning all~
[02:04] <trans_err> Elsidox: can I migrate from an existing KDE install?
[02:04] <trans_err> err ubuntu install
[02:04] <Riddell> trans_err: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:04] <CarlK> I have a 1 week old hoary server - what do I need to add to it to host an HPdj 3320 usb printer?  (other box is a full warty install)
[02:04] <MindZEye> How is it different?  I'm currently running KDE from a Ubuntu install.
[02:05] <Elsidox> trans_err, ask Riddell. Hes a dev. An awesome one.
[02:05] <trans_err> Riddell: <3
[02:05] <Elsidox> trans_err, and join #Kubuntu =P
[02:05] <Elsidox> lol
[02:05] <Riddell> MindZEye: it's not different, just kubuntu-devel is our pick of the packages (and still needs refining) and we have an ISO that Elsidox is about to test
[02:06] <Elsidox> Riddell, the isos done burning so ill see you when its done installing. =)
[02:06] <Elsidox> Riddell, thx again. (for kubuntu) =)
[02:08] <delltony> after doing the kubuntu-desktop do ou have to choose kde from sessions or is it defaulted to kde after that?
[02:08] <fredx> anyone willing to answer a few questions? I just installed ubuntu for the first time
[02:08] <Riddell> delltony: when it installs kdm it should give you an option
[02:09] <delltony> in sessions though correct?
[02:09] <Riddell> delltony: oh not sure what the default is, I shold find that out really
[02:10] <tck> hmm amaroK isn't in synaptic
[02:10] <tck> am i mispelling it ?
[02:10] <delltony> well what i'm wondering is this do i have to type the kdm command to load the desktopmanager or select it from a menu?
[02:10] <tck> ah its kde based
[02:12] <delltony> 250 packages must be some kinda sweetness ;)
[02:12] <regeya_> indeed, amaroK is kde-based
[02:12] <technodude90> how come when I mount my fat32 file system with Ubuntu it thinks that folders in the hierarchy are files?
[02:12] <regeya_> the only place I've seen amarok packages is kalypso, but I haven't looked in some time
[02:13] <MZE> Amarok is in the standard AMD64 repositories I think.
[02:13] <tck> haven't used it yet, a few peeps were recommending it
[02:13] <tck> totem is just annoying to use, vlc is alot better
[02:13] <Riddell> amarok is in there, it may not be in main yet I'm not sure
[02:13] <regeya_> it's a nice player...amarok is more "competitive" with rhythmbox
[02:14] <regeya_> comparing amarok and totem is like comparing rhythmbox and kaffeine...doesn't make sense
[02:14] <technodude90> I did mount /dev/hda1 /mnt and it mounted my fat32 as a vfat file system
[02:14] <MZE> I'm listening to tracks on it now.  :)  I think it might be time to try out the iPod functionality.
[02:14] <regeya_> or comparing dpkg to yum
[02:14] <technodude90> When I look at my directories in the console they appear as directories
[02:14] <technodude90> In metacity, it thinks that these directories are files and thus will not open them
[02:15] <delltony> aww Riddell i see what you mean it promps you for the default
[02:17] <Riddell> delltony: and I hope you went for KDM :)
[02:17] <delltony> well i didn't i left it at gdm hope that doesn't matter
[02:18] <delltony> i want to test the pie before i buy
[02:18] <delltony> :P
[02:20] <mdz> Riddell: amarok is not in main yet
[02:20] <rommer> can someone help a noob to install a network device
[02:21] <delltony> Riddell, all i can say is wowwwwwwwwwwwwww :)
[02:21] <Fr0d0> hi
[02:22] <Riddell> mdz: it's in the seeds though.  is it on the CD?
[02:22] <Fr0d0> I just copied my first dvd fully in Ubuntu
[02:23] <spudse> bob2: is this the exact boot --> linux archive_copier/copy=false
[02:23] <spudse> because it didnt work
[02:23] <mdz> Riddell: no, the CD is built from main
[02:23] <spudse> it was still upacking from hd
[02:23] <mdz> Riddell: amarok was excluded from the metapackage dependencies because it wasn't in main
[02:23] <delltony> Riddell, one thing the fonts in here xchat are small as crap any way to fix that ? never  used kde before
[02:24] <rommer> can someone help me to install a ethernet device in ubuntu (broadcom440 lan)
[02:24] <delltony> aww i see whats a good font for xchat? size and font?
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> delltony: yes, anything fixed width
[02:24] <Riddell> delltony: xchat isn't a KDE app
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> like 'monospace'
[02:25] <mdz> rommer: 440 or 4400?
[02:25] <Fr0d0> Hi again delltony...how do you make a program an exec file...forgive me for my lack of knowledge
[02:25] <rommer> can't remember
[02:25] <mdz> rommer: 4400 should just work.  I'm not sure about 440
[02:25] <delltony> oh you asking about executing
[02:25] <rommer> thats probably it then
[02:25] <rommer> it should just work
[02:25] <delltony> you use perl,python,bash
[02:26] <rommer> well its not just working for me
[02:26] <delltony> aww this is much better and im assuming there is a way to change the name on the side of this kde "startbutton"
[02:26] <mdz> rommer: I'm afraid you'll need to be a bit more specific
[02:26] <delltony> this is so cool the graphics are pardon the language but kick ass
[02:26] <Fr0d0> ok that is like French to me, but I'm guessing I type that first in command line
[02:27] <delltony> Fr0d0, pm me
[02:27] <Fr0d0> how?
[02:27] <Fr0d0> lol
[02:27] <spudse> anybody else can help a newb with installing ubuntu to 1.5 gb harddisk ?
[02:27] <Fr0d0> new to irc too
[02:27] <Fr0d0> IM A NEWB
[02:27] <spudse> new to irc ? where have you been ? ;)
[02:27] <siimo> does ubuntu include the pine mail client ?
[02:27] <rommer> hmm i went into device manager, at the bottom is bcm4401 100Base-T-> Vendor :Broadcom
[02:28] <rommer> so it looks like it has found it
[02:28] <delltony> type /msg delltony hi
[02:28] <Riddell> delltony: not yet, branding with pretty kubuntu pictures is still to come
[02:29] <delltony> ok well the idea is grand keep up the good work
[02:29] <delltony> at least in here you can actually change the menu's instead of gnome's pain in the ass way now days
[02:29] <delltony> i wrote that application to do it in a gui but still its a pain
[02:30] <hank> Anyone, know anything about getting wireless network cards to work or were I might ind out
[02:30] <hank> with ubuntu ofcourse
[02:30] <delltony> ndiswrapper
[02:31] <delltony> find your driver (windows driver) and then ndiswrapper -i <inffilehere>
[02:31] <delltony> then ndiswrapper -l to see if it took it
[02:31] <delltony> then ndiswrapper -m to make the alias
[02:31] <delltony> then modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:32] <hank> mm, okay. I'll try that. Where might I find the windows driver? On the windows partition I take it?
[02:32] <kaos> I keep getting this message at the bash prompt when I do this :
[02:32] <kaos> root@ubuntu:/home/fred/Desktop/installs # ./j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm
[02:32] <kaos> bash: ./j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm: Permission denied
[02:32] <kaos> wtf
[02:32] <kaos> anyone
[02:32] <delltony> well generally from your manufactors website like with me i have a dell
[02:32] <delltony> so the windows drivers were on there
[02:33] <siimo> kaos, try chmod +x ./j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> um
[02:33] <kaos> thanks siimo I'll give it a go
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> that's because it's an rpm
[02:33] <kerframil> kaos: you're not supposed to execute an rpm
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> you will want then 'bin'
[02:33] <StoffBox-Steve> .rpm on ubuntu ?
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> *the
[02:33] <wavefunction> 'nite.
[02:33] <siimo> kaos, oh its a RPM ,
[02:33] <StoffBox-Steve> ubuntu use .deb package not rpm
[02:33] <siimo> kaos, you should get the self extracting package from java site
[02:34] <hank> OKay great. THanks, you're very helpful
[02:34] <StoffBox-Steve> kaos, you have to load the .bin file from the sun.com website
[02:34] <kaos> root@ubuntu:/home/fred/Desktop/installs # chmod +x ./j2re-1_4_2_07-i586.rpm
[02:34] <kaos> chmod: failed to get attributes of `./j2re-1_4_2_07-i586.rpm': No such file or directory
[02:35] <siimo> kaos, forget that
[02:35] <delltony> Kaos, there is a great step by step instruction on the ubuntuguide.org
[02:35] <delltony> for installing java
[02:35] <siimo> kaos, try this instead  'alien -i ./j2re-1_4_2_07-i586.rpm'
[02:35] <StoffBox-Steve> delet that rpm file you cant use it on ubuntu kaos
[02:35] <siimo> kaos, you might have to apt-get install alien
[02:35] <delltony> why not use the bin file ?
[02:35] <kerframil> kaos: an apt source is available - it's unofficial but I daresay it will serve your needs better
[02:35] <kaos> well i tried ./sundl.bin and it just agravates me
[02:35] <siimo> well he can save the download again
[02:35] <kerframil> kaos: http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/Documentation.shtml
[02:36] <wavefunction> I've followed the instructions on the howto's but I just cannot make my pcmcia/wireless network card (DWL-G650+) function. It was simple and fast when I did it function on Crux Linux, so it isn't the card problem. Any idea ?
[02:36] <mseney> i still don't understand the difference between Hoary 5.04 Array 5 and 6. I'm still very new to ubuntu and installed off the Hoary 5.04 Array-5 CD I made. I always update daily so how can I tell if I have Array 6?
[02:36] <delltony> did you update or dist-upgrade?
[02:36] <kaos> root@ubuntu:/home/fred/Desktop/installs # alien -i j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm:': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `read': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `manifest': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `failed:': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `Success': File exists
[02:36] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:36] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:36] <kaos> sh: -c: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[02:36] <kaos> sh: -c: line 3: `; cpio --extract --make-directories --no-absolute-filenames --p reserve-modification-time) 2>&1'
[02:36] <kerframil> kaos: here's some more instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 (I can vouch that it works perfectly)
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> kaos: do not do that
[02:36] <mseney> delltony, me?
[02:36] <kaos> Unsuccessful stat on filename containing newline at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Packa ge/Rpm.pm line 164.
[02:36] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm: read manifest fail ed: Success\n-j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm: read manifest failed: Success\n/j2re -1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm: read manifest failed: Success\n': No such file or dire ctory
[02:36] <delltony> yes
[02:36] <kerframil> kaos: just use the apt source
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> kaos: and do not post it here
[02:37] <kaos> mv: invalid option -- j
[02:37] <kaos> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 3: -type: command not found
[02:37] <Quarupt> Howcome when i plug my thumbdrive in it doesnt mount anymore?
[02:37] <kaos> Argument "j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm:" isn't numeric in bitwise and (&) at /us r/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm line 203, <GETPERMS> line 1.
[02:37] <zenrox> kaos read www.ubuntuguide.org for instustions on how to install java
[02:37] <kaos> Unsuccessful stat on filename containing newline at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Packa ge/Rpm.pm line 222, <GETPERMS> line 1.
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `j2re-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.rpm:': File exists
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `read': File exists
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `manifest': File exists
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `failed:': File exists
[02:37] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* #flood
[02:37] <kaos> mkdir: cannot create directory `Success': File exists
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 3: /debian: No such file or directory
[02:37] <mseney> delltony, um after $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade advised me there were 14 packages I could get yes just a few minutes ago
[02:37] <Quarupt> DUDe use #flood or pastebin
[02:37] <kaos> sh: -c: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[02:37] <delltony> dist-upgrade will give you array 6 or whatever the current snapshot is
[02:37] <kaos> sh: -c: line 3: `; patch -p1)'
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 2: -j2re_1_4_2_07_linux_i586.rpm:: command not found
[02:37] <kaos> sh: line 3: -name: command not found
[02:37] <kaos> patch failed with .rej fi
[02:37] <kaos> well I have alien so it says
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> kaos: please do not flood in here.
[02:37] <zenrox> kaos read www.ubuntuguide.org for instustions on how to install java
[02:37] <arbeck> can someone help me with cdrecord
[02:38] <rattboi24> I hate to sound like a retard, especially with it on the boards as much as it is, but I'm wondering how to update my nvidia drivers since I updated my kernel?
[02:38] <delltony> ok then if you did dist-upgrade you should be running the latest greatest
[02:38] <siimo> kaos, like i said use alien
[02:38] <siimo> kaos, if you really want to use that RPM you downloaded
[02:38] <StoffBox-Steve> dont post more than 2 - 3 lines of code in this channel kaos
[02:38] <rattboi24> I see that there is nvidia-kernel deb, but it's for 2.6.8, I believe?
[02:38] <arbeck> cdrdao works great, but i gnomebaker and cdrecord don't
[02:38] <kerframil> kaos: please do not use alien or rpm, it's really quite simple
[02:38] <mseney> delltony, what is the latest i686 kernel w/ Array 6?
[02:38] <kerframil> kaos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[02:38] <kaos> alright my apologies
[02:39] <StoffBox-Steve> when you are not a modem user; the easy way is to the bin file and install it ...
[02:39] <kerframil> kaos: you only need to add an additional apt source and you will be able to use apt-get/synaptic as per normal
[02:39] <delltony> let me see what i'm running
[02:39] <johnwl> not sure about cdrecord..using K3b here
[02:39] <kaos> I just needed a solution to a problem I don't very much want to pretend to understand
[02:39] <delltony> i think i'm on 2.6.10-4-686
[02:39] <mseney> delltony, synaptic says i have Linux 2.6.10-5-686 but uname says I have -4?
[02:39] <delltony> let me check mine
[02:39] <mseney> k
[02:40] <siimo> mseney, maybe you are running -4 but you do have -5
[02:40] <mseney> siimo, it didn't make an entry in the /boot/grub/menu.1st
[02:40] <delltony> i'm running 4
[02:40] <arbeck> johnwl: i don't want to install k3b because of all the qt stuff i'd have to grab
[02:40] <Quarupt> whats the easiest way to mount a usb drive?
[02:40] <siimo> mseney, not sure if you can have both though thought -5 was a update to -4
[02:41] <arbeck> arbeck: i've written some python scripts to burn audio cd's... but as of right now i'm not able to burn a data cd
[02:41] <siimo> mseney, what does this say: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[02:41] <mseney> siimo, ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.10-19      Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on 386
[02:41] <mseney> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.10-25      Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on PPr
[02:41] <mseney> ii  linux-image-68 2.6.10-5       Linux kernel image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/
[02:42] <tritium> mseney, did you reboot yet after installing it?
[02:42] <mseney> i've rebooted since checking w/ synaptic which version i have
[02:42] <siimo> mseney, ok you have 3 kernels then
[02:42] <Fr0d0> Dell...in room
[02:43] <Quarupt> My thumb drive usually shows up in the "places" menu? but its not now, how can i access it?
[02:43] <Quarupt> ?
[02:45] <johnwl> i didnt have to grab a bunch of QT stuff to run K3b...or did I somehow do that without knowing about it?
[02:46] <kerframil> johnwl: it requires qt and kdelibs, no question about that ;)
[02:46] <kerframil> Quarupt: you might try kickstarting the gnome-panel again: kill -HUP `pidof gnome-panel`
[02:46] <johnwl> so apt-get install k3b will grab qt and kdelibs?
[02:47] <kerframil> johnwl: for the answers: apt-cache show k3b | less
[02:48] <kerframil> johnwl: see the "Depends:" line
[02:48] <jesuel> mm fppd
[02:48] <jesuel> err food
[02:48] <thanatosys> hey hey hey
[02:48] <thanatosys> whats goin on fellow ubuntu users
[02:48] <johnwl> kerframil oooh nice command lol. thx.
[02:49] <kerframil> np
[02:50] <tck> does xmms have a traydock icon ?
[02:50] <kcs> hile, I installed pyphany for epiphany, select console in extensions, but it doesnt appear in tools menu, has someone any idea?
[02:50] <membreya> kerframil: is there a page that shows all the apt commands..cos there seems to be a ton of them
[02:50] <thanatosys> wmxmms
[02:50] <thanatosys> i think that is it
[02:50] <tck> used that before
[02:50] <tck> terrible
[02:50] <johnwl> so is there any reason, other than philosophical, to avoid QT and the KDE libs?
[02:51] <bob2> tck: in the xmms-status-plugin package
[02:51] <kerframil> membreya: not that I know of (yet) as I'm a Gentoo user and a relative Debian noob
[02:51] <zenrox> tck,  ya its a plugin for xmms called status plug
[02:51] <toothpick> Will the kubuntu cd do a hd install?
[02:51] <bob2> membreya: man apt-get
[02:51] <tck> cheers peeps!
[02:51] <kerframil> membreya: if you just type apt-cache --help and apt-get --help then that's 90% of the important stuff covered
[02:51] <bob2> toothpick: the install cd will
[02:51] <kerframil> membreya: and, of course, the man pages
[02:51] <kerframil> membreya: apt-setup is also very useful
[02:53] <kerframil> johnwl: not really
[02:53] <tck> hmm that status-plugin for xmms works
[02:53] <johnwl> woo-hoo
[02:53] <kerframil> johnwl: here's another good one btw: sudo apt-get -s install k3b
[02:53] <johnwl> whats the -s?
[02:53] <tck> but the window is still visible when minimised :/
[02:53] <kerframil> johnwl: the -s will actually ensure that it does nothing; rather it will show you what it would do if it were allowed to perform the operation
[02:53] <johnwl> very nice..thank you.
[02:54] <kerframil> which is another approach to the same issue
[02:54] <johnwl> apt-get is the best thing ever...always wondered what the Debian peeps were so giddy about
[02:54] <kerframil> yes, it is an excellent system
[02:55] <spudse> i've got a question regarding ram, ive got a 512 sdram chip which look like this, ###### ######, now i also got a chip (64mb) that looks like this ### ##### ########, how are they called ?
[02:55] <kerframil> johnwl: everything else that I've seen just seems to be a hack by comparison (portage notwithstanding)
[02:56] <toothpick> I've yet to use portage...but one day I'll try it.
[02:56] <spudse> question aswered sorry :)
[02:56] <colin__> is there a clearlooks engine deb for ubuntu floating around?
[02:56] <johnwl> kerframil: it's just so fast. I came from SUSE and Yast is easy but clunky and slow.
[02:56] <kerframil> sure
[02:57] <beowuff> Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu and
[02:57] <kerframil> toothpick: it's very good. obviously, apt is more mature and has a few benefits of its own (such as excellent reverse dependency handling)
[02:57] <kerframil> then again, portage has some cool tricks up its sleeve too
[02:57] <thenuke> spudse: well, the one with two empty spaces looks like DDR SDRAM
[02:58] <beowuff> Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu and Debian. Was wondering about upgrades. When a new version of ubuntu comes out, do you need to upgrade from a cd, or can you do it online through Ubuntu?
[02:58] <kerframil> beowuff: yes, you can do it online
[02:58] <bob2> beowuff: online, of course
[02:58] <Quarupt> I habet gotten any updates today, has anyone else?
[02:58] <Quarupt> havent
[02:58] <johnwl> beowuff: Read this on updates. good info: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#ubuntuupdates
[02:59] <johnwl> The unofficial starter guide is your friend...it's an awesome resource.
[02:59] <beowuff> Cool. Going to try ubuntu on my sony viao this weekend.
[03:00] <johnwl> go through the starter guide step by step and in 20-30 minutes you'll be nicely configured..esp. for multimedia
[03:00] <hank> hey Tony. Is ndiswrapper a standard ubuntu command? doesn't seem to do anything
[03:00] <delltony> you have to download it
[03:00] <hank> ahh sweet/
[03:00] <hank> thanks
[03:01] <scot_> hello all, I am working on a fresh install, a convert from FC.  I am having very slow DNS resolution.  I am thinking that it is a matter of IPV6.  How can I turn off IPV6??
[03:01] <hank> can I use apt-get to install it?
[03:01] <mdz> hank: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:01] <mdz> hank: however, it's not included on the Ubuntu 4.10 CD (it is there in the development releases)
[03:02] <hank> great, thanks mdz
[03:02] <beowuff> Anybody running winex?
[03:02] <johnwl> not here
[03:03] <bob2> beowuff: #cedega is a better place to get support for that
[03:03] <StoffBox-Steve> spudse,  ####### ###### = DDR(2) SDRAM ### #### ######## = SDRAM ( older than DDR )
[03:03] <bob2> or talk to transgaming directly
[03:03] <delltony> speakign of ndiswrapper i have yet to understand why i have to do a ifdown ifup everytime i start gnome for my network to kick in
[03:03] <beowuff> Not asking for support. Just wondering how it runs on ubuntu.
[03:03] <zenrox> beowuff,  it works
[03:03] <zenrox> lol
[03:03] <delltony> the module and all loads fine but its as if the network trys to go up before the module kicks in
[03:05] <usual> what do I need to install to have totem play wmv's?
[03:05] <scot_> yo yo yo, help a brother out.  How can I disable IPV6???
[03:05] <hank> what's winex? a simulator?\
[03:05] <bob2> usual: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:05] <bob2> hank: www.transgaming.com
[03:05] <bob2> scot_: that's come up numerous times on the lists
[03:06] <usual> bob2, ok, I got everything playing except those, well the wmv audio plays just not the video
[03:06] <scot_> can you point me at a faq? or a howto??
[03:06] <bob2> usual: sounds like you need some el-dodgo windows dlls
[03:06] <bob2> assuming you're on i386
[03:06] <usual> yeah
[03:07] <usual> bob2, instructions anywhere on using dll's?
[03:07] <bob2> 12:05:38           bob2 | usual: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:08] <usual> bob2, ok, I searched the page for dll and it didn't find anything..I'll look around though
[03:08] <bob2> usual: w32codecs from marillat's repository
[03:08] <usual> i see
[03:08] <usual> ty
[03:14] <zenrox> all the probs for the day are sulved
[03:14] <zenrox> woohoo
[03:14] <zenrox> alt least we can hope
[03:14] <blizah> to run counterstrike i use wine or another such program?
[03:14] <blizah> nope..
[03:15] <zenrox> blizah,  yep
[03:15] <zenrox> google will be your friend
[03:15] <zenrox> too
[03:15] <bob2> blizah: http://lhl.linuxgames.com/
[03:15] <bob2> which is, shockingly, the first hit for "linux half life"
[03:16] <zenrox> lol
[03:17] <dazed> god i love linux
[03:17] <dazed> :)
[03:17] <compmanio36> yo my ppl
[03:18] <dazed> i have a question for anyone who knows about gkrellm ...i saw a screen shot with a volume bar on someones gkrellm and i would like to know how to get it...if its a plugin where to get it how to install?
[03:18] <bob2> scot_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2381
[03:18] <zenrox> dazed,  its a plugin
[03:18] <Fr0d0> dell: got an error  I sudo php --g addmenu.php  and got an error
[03:18] <bob2> dazed:  apt-cache search volume gkrellmm
[03:19] <delltony> what error?
[03:19] <Fr0d0> come private
[03:19] <hiweed> hey all, is there any other irc chanel for Ubuntu Developers?
[03:19] <PacoBCN> hi guys
[03:19] <PacoBCN> pretty late here but nice to find someone still awake
[03:19] <bob2> hank: yes, but it's for actual development
[03:20] <bob2> not for asking questions
[03:20] <PacoBCN> hey guys, did any of you managed to install/use flumotion?
[03:20] <bob2> er, hiweed
[03:20] <utsav_> what's that?
[03:21] <bob2> PacoBCN: jdub did
[03:21] <hiweed> bob2: thanks. I am a developer of Hiweed-
[03:21] <dazed> once i installed the volume package should it show up in my plugs?
[03:21] <hiweed> bob2: thanks. I am a developer of Hiweed-Debian GNU/Linux
[03:21] <bob2> hiweed: #ubuntu-devel
[03:21] <ggeecko> what is a good mpeg player to use??
[03:21] <hiweed> bob2: ktks
[03:21] <wavefunction> 'nite. I just couldn't get my D-link DWL-G650+ to work with "warty". I had a successful configuration with CRUX linux and thought it could be a kernel problem (I used 2.6.10 in CRUX). Got a knoppix-based distro called kurumin and ... it was a piece of cake. Kernel 2.6.8.1-kanotix-10.
[03:21] <bob2> ggeecko: xine
[03:21] <zenrox> dazed,  with a little config in gkrellm
[03:21] <zenrox> ggeecko, gxine
[03:22] <jdub> PacoBCN: http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/ :-)
[03:22] <dazed> i knew that lol
[03:23] <rommer> how can i log in as administrator?
[03:23] <utsav_> wavefunction: Did you try using drivers from the chipsets site instead of the ones from dlink with ndiswrapper?
[03:23] <utsav_> rommer: you use sudo
[03:23] <bluefoxicy> http://bash.org/?469064
[03:23] <billytwowilly> is there a formal way to request a package?
[03:23] <PacoBCN> jdob, is that a video stream?
[03:23] <rommer> utsav_: i login with my normal user account then go to terminal?
[03:24] <bob2> PacoBCN: yes
[03:24] <Rockett17> anyone here ever tried to use a tv card with the ati drivers?
[03:24] <bob2> rommer: yes
[03:24] <rommer> thanks
[03:24] <wavefunction> utsav_, what are "drivers from chipset" ? I used the drive that came with the adapter, from a CD.
[03:24] <ggeecko> bob2: is it apt-get install xine??
[03:24] <billytwowilly> Rockett17, last I heard the ati all in wonders don't work. atleast not the tv tuner portion.
[03:24] <wavefunction> s/drive/driver
[03:24] <bob2> ggeecko: gxine, yes
[03:24] <utsav_> rommer:   there's a place on the wiki that gives a howto
[03:25] <CarlK> hoary server, what do I need to apt-get to host a usb printer?
[03:25] <Rockett17> i have a seperate tv card.. but tvtime doesnt open and xawtv just blacks out the xserver
[03:25] <PacoBCN> cool, never manged to use a java applet to display it?
[03:25] <utsav_> wavefunction:  I had to go online and grab them from realtek for my dlink.. it just wouldn't budge with ndiswrapper and the one on the CD
[03:25] <ggeecko> bob2: says that is couldnt find gxine
[03:25] <bob2> ggeecko: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:25] <utsav_> wavefunction: It wouldn't work with the drivers from even dlink's site
[03:26] <hank> when I've installed the inffile and I then list the drivers should it find the hardware? Mine says hardware not present
[03:26] <utsav_> rommer: you can type sudo passwd to set the admin password
[03:28] <jdub> rommer: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:28] <jdub> rommer: don't set the root password, use sudo
[03:29] <utsav_> I'm jsut curiosu what's the advantage of sudo?
[03:29] <rommer> ok thanks
[03:29] <wavefunction> utsav_, In my case DWL-G650+ uses a TI (Texas Instruments) chipset. It is a ACX111. I've found acx100.sf.net. So I think I should try it to get work with ubuntu.
[03:29] <bob2> utsav_: read that page
[03:30] <utsav_> wavefunction	Oh, I just assumed that you were using ndiswrapper right away
[03:30] <utsav_> wavefunction , my bad
[03:30] <wavefunction> utsav_, The weird thing is why does it functions with CRUX, Kurumin, etc and not with Ubuntu ... :(
[03:31] <utsav_> wavefunction , sorry 'boot that.. I've only ever used ndiswrapper.. (silly realtek chipset)
[03:31] <wavefunction> utsav_, No, you were right. I *am* using ndiswrapper right now with Kurumin. I also used it with CRUX. But it does not function with Ubuntu.
[03:32] <utsav_> wavefunction : I think the ndiswrapper with warty is a bit dated... can you compare the versions you were using?
[03:32] <CarlK> why does /etc/papersize default to A4?
[03:34] <hank> im using ndiswrapper atm with ubuntu asweel
[03:34] <hank> aswell
[03:34] <utsav_> Ithink that's 8.5x11 , which is all we use up north in Canada
[03:34] <hank> it uses the driver but doesn't appear to find the hardware
[03:34] <utsav_> I had that problem once.. I had to find another driver
[03:35] <utsav_> I had to use the one from realtek instead of dlink
[03:35] <utsav_> try a similar/older/different driver
[03:35] <utsav_> but first check the wiki at ndiswrapper.sf.net to see if your card is supported
[03:36] <hank> okay thanks, I'll check
[03:36] <Quarupt> Is there any like Ejay ports or anything for music, something like reason or fruity loops?
[03:36] <Quarupt> any music creation software
[03:37] <utsav_> Is  that a like a spiral synthesizer?
[03:37] <neom> I'm running apache on my ubuntu box. The DocumentRoot points to a mount. That mount is a mount of a shared folder on a remote windows box. Within the mount, i have created to other mounts to other folders on this remote windows box. When viewing the site, these just show up as directorys witin the index page. I need to protect one of the folders. I tired htaccess, but for some reason it didn't work. Suggestions?
[03:37] <Quarupt> ?
[03:37] <Quarupt> anyone know of any?
[03:37] <johnwl> dumb question..i want to set permissions on a directory and all its sub dirs and files..is there a way to do that in nautilus or is it easier to chmod from the command line?
[03:38] <wavefunction> utsav_, I'll build it by hand and try to recompile the kernel, a vanila one. I think it is a *patch*/kernel problem.
[03:38] <Quarupt> just launch Naut as root
[03:38] <Quarupt> and go for it
[03:38] <utsav_> Quarupt, I tried some music editors in linux a while back.. There was rosegarden ,audacity and some smaller apps.. There's pbbly more know, but that's all I can think of
[03:38] <bob2> johnwl: probably easier to use chmod
[03:38] <wavefunction> utsav_, Anyway, thanks for your time. :)
[03:38] <johnwl> Quarupt: try this site http://linux-sound.org/ddj.html
[03:38] <LinuxJones> johns_, chmod -R
[03:38] <utsav_> wavefunction , Ididn't have to recompile the kernel
[03:38] <Quarupt> utsav_, are those just for editing or creating?
[03:39] <johnwl> thx guys
[03:39] <hank> I'd like good music software too quarupt
[03:39] <utsav_> both
[03:39] <LinuxJones> johns_, sorry that was for johnwl  chmod -R
[03:39] <utsav_> 	utsav, audacity does editing, rosegarden can do some composing
[03:39] <equex> Guys, check this site out www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree
[03:39] <equex> Really cool
[03:40] <utsav_> I have a question.. I can't get my alps touchpad to work like a touchpad.. works fine as a mouse.. It looks like the kernel can't find it to be an alps when I do cat /proc/bus/input/devices.. It shows ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse.  Any ideas?
[03:40] <equex> You can find the solution here www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree
[03:40] <utsav_> Iknow it's an alps 'cause windows says it is
[03:40] <utsav_> but I'm stuck on this one
[03:40] <rommer> am i able to get to 'Network Settings' without being root/administrator?
[03:41] <Amaranth> bleh, stupid political activists
[03:41] <Amaranth> oh, gnaa
[03:41] <neom> Anyone know anything about my problem?
[03:41] <bob2> Amaranth: yeah
[03:42] <Quarupt> wow this Tetris techno song is cool
[03:42] <Devinci> utsav_ try the synaptics driver, I have a touchpad and this driver works pretty well
[03:42] <utsav_> Devinci	, I tried, but the Xorg.0.log says it can't load it
[03:42] <bob2> neom: sounds like you misconfigured the htaccess file
[03:42] <bluefoxicy> what the
[03:42] <bluefoxicy> where'd gnomebaker go o.o
[03:43] <utsav_> Devinci , tpconfig -l also says there is no synaptics hardware
[03:43] <neom> bob2 - It could be, I wasn't sure if I should put the passwd file on the linux box or the windows box.
[03:43] <neom> And what path to use.
[03:43] <bob2> neom: ? it's one filesystem
[03:43] <neom> No..
[03:44] <neom> Because the .htaccess file is on the remote windows box.
[03:44] <bob2> indeed
[03:44] <Devinci> cant you just manually add the alps driver in xorg.conf?
[03:44] <spudse> I thought firefox blocks popups :)
[03:44] <bob2> but it doesn't matter whether you put it there on windows or linux, it's the same filesystem
[03:44] <Devinci> or XF86Config-4
[03:44] <neom> oh
[03:44] <bob2> spudse: some idiots worked around it
[03:44] <spudse> too bad
[03:45] <PacoBCN> indeed
[03:45] <Amaranth> not difficult
[03:45] <neom> bob2 - Either way, it dosn't work, heh.
[03:45] <utsav_> Devinci , I suspect the synaptics is supposed to cover the alps
[03:45] <spudse> thought it was some opensource website about freedom or stuff like that :)
[03:45] <Amaranth> i figured it was right-wing bullshit
[03:46] <hank> What was with that website? It opened up a million windows andI had to reboot?!
[03:46] <bob2> it's an idiot troll
[03:46] <hank> ahh, what losers pursue these ends
[03:46] <hank> ?
[03:46] <Quarupt> Im taking a Unix Intro class next quarter will it be relivant to Linux?
[03:46] <Quarupt> like CMI stuff?
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:46] <zenrox> Quarupt, yes
[03:46] <Quarupt> cool
[03:47] <Quarupt> But probably Not X stuff
[03:47] <Quarupt> huh
[03:47] <zenrox> linux unix are basckly the same
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: it's all about building blocks
[03:47] <PacoBCN> dammit, now I realize I don't have sound :S
[03:47] <zenrox> Quarupt, yes probly xstuff
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: once you understand the way the system works you can do cool stufff
[03:47] <hank> Mmm, ndiswrapper aint going to gung ho for me, anyone with another wireless network card detection soltuion?
[03:47] <Quarupt> Not Linux is something Linus made from Unix its a variant
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> stuff
[03:48] <bob2> Quarupt: no, it's not
[03:48] <bob2> Linux is completely independant of Unix, it just looks a lot like it
[03:48] <bob2> it was written from scratch
[03:48] <utsav_> Well thanks anyhoo, I figure I'll just wait for the kernel release, that always fixes everything.
[03:48] <zenrox> and acts like unix
[03:48] <Quarupt> Thats what im saying lol
[03:48] <Quarupt> My argument is that there different
[03:48] <calc> gar
[03:48] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: don't bother arguing that until you understand what you're arguing about :)
[03:48] <calc> faac/faad in multiverse is bunged up
[03:49] <Quarupt> also a CCNE
[03:49] <hank> Oh, btw, where is there a listing of all the repositories?
[03:49] <Quarupt> ubuntuguide.org
[03:49] <hank> really? I'll check it out again. didnt see it there.
[03:49] <bob2> linux certification's don't tend to cover "history of the linux source code"
[03:50] <Quarupt> its on that page
[03:50] <hank> im an idiot
[03:50] <mdz> there are plenty of UNIX history web pages out there if anyone is curious
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: There's always someone cooler than you
[03:51] <calc> erm is there another version of faac outside of ubuntu that isn't castrated?
[03:51] <Quarupt> Let me educate you about Linus Trovalds, because i can allready tell i learned more about him then you have, in my Open-source history class last quarter
[03:51] <zenrox> ya goggle can be your freind too mdz
[03:51] <zenrox> lol
[03:52] <Brunellus> anybody have any ideas as to how to get bittorrent running on warty?
[03:53] <bob2> Brunellus: install bittornado
[03:53] <bob2> Quarupt: a) I doubt that, b) it's off-topic
[03:54] <mdz> HrdwrBoB, Quarupt easy, folks.  There's no need to argue about it here; as I said, there's plenty of information out there if anyone is curious
[03:54] <Quarupt> I don't care, don't try to talk about things you don't understand, you make yourself sound dumb, and im not gunna be like you and try to flame, just no your place
[03:54] <Brunellus> huzzah.
[03:54] <Brunellus> I'd installed "bittorrent"
[03:54] <Quarupt> ./ignore
[03:54] <Brunellus> I didn't know bittornado was what was needed
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> hey, I'm cool
[03:56] <hank> you can download Azurias. Just follow the directions at ubuntuguide.org
[03:57] <rommer> hurrah for network access!
[03:58] <PacoBCN> I really wish there will be a backport for gaim-vv
[03:59] <mac_n_cheez> hello
[03:59] <mac_n_cheez> anyone there?
[04:00] <zenrox> PacoBCN, gaim-vv uses an older ver of gaim
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> hello
[04:00] <zenrox> mac_n_cheez, yep i am here i think
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> hello
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> ah
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> ok
[04:00] <mac_n_cheez> why does ubuntu ship without kde? does anyone know?
[04:00] <calc> mac_n_cheez: its in univers
[04:01] <mac_n_cheez> couldn't get it installed last night
[04:01] <bob2> mac_n_cheez: because it won't fit on a single CD
[04:01] <mac_n_cheez> is it available for ppc also?
[04:01] <Fr0d0> Tony:  got this error, "Warning: unknown mime-type for "menu" -- using "application/*"
[04:01] <Fr0d0> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
[04:01] <johnwl> and focusing on gnome was part of the goals of the project to begin with wasn't it?
[04:01] <jdub> mac_n_cheez: ubuntu is gnome based. kubuntu is kde based.
[04:01] <thully> In Hoary, KDE's in main now - and there is a special install CD for KDE, called KUbuntu
[04:01] <mac_n_cheez> kubuntu????
[04:01] <jdub> thully: "Kubuntu", despite the subject of the announcement
[04:02] <mac_n_cheez> where do I get it?
[04:02] <bob2> kde's in supported now?
[04:02] <Riddell> jdub: can you put this in the /topic http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-March/000023.html
[04:02] <jdub> bob2: yes
[04:02] <mac_n_cheez> is it on the main site ?
[04:02] <jdub> johnwl: yes
[04:02] <jdub> man, our topic is useless
[04:02] <mac_n_cheez> is it available for ppc?
[04:02] <Quest-Master> :o KDE is supported?!
[04:03] <mac_n_cheez> kewl I'll go look for it
[04:03] <mac_n_cheez> TTYL
[04:03] <rommer> is ndiswrapper already on the default ubuntu or do i have to install it?
[04:03] <hank> must be installed.
[04:03] <johnwl> at the risk of sounding stupid any x windows is possible i'd imagine. right?
[04:04] <rommer> how would i do that?
[04:04] <Quest-Master> rommer: You must install it
[04:04] <hank> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[04:04] <jdub> johnwl: hrm?
[04:04] <johnwl> x windows interface
[04:04] <rommer> thanks
[04:04] <calc> hmm it appears faac/faad must not be 64bit clean or else is otherwise very buggy :\
[04:04] <rommer> i tried apt-get ndiswrapper but it didnt work
[04:04] <hank> np, tony told me
[04:04] <jdub> johnwl: of course.
[04:04] <jdub> johnwl: most are in universe.
[04:04] <hank> try with the utils extension
[04:04] <johnwl> yeah im here for the GNOME focus..just making sure I understood that.
[04:05] <fred_> y
[04:06] <Fr0d0> can the live cd install on hard drive (as Mepis)?
[04:06] <bob2> no
[04:06] <Fr0d0> thanks
[04:08] <billytwowilly> When I try and use kmid it says "/dev/snd/seq failed: no such file or directory" how do I fix this?
[04:10] <dbo> suggestions for p2p software
[04:12] <johnwl> dbo: limewire
[04:12] <dbo> my room mate is using mldonkey
[04:12] <billytwowilly> giFT
[04:12] <billytwowilly> usenet..
[04:12] <johnwl> never heard of it..but then I don't p2p
[04:12] <dbo> can i just apt-get gift
[04:13] <billytwowilly> apt-get install giFT
[04:13] <pussfeller> mldoinkey is da best
[04:14] <silversurfer> nicotine is pretty good too
[04:14] <silversurfer> if you only want music
[04:14] <CarlK> what is the ubunto page that lets me search what packages supply what?
[04:14] <pussfeller> you can run it headless from terminal and connect with the browser at need so it dont shutdown on your xseesion
[04:14] <bob2> CarlK: there isn't one
[04:14] <pussfeller> nicotine is really heavy to run
[04:14] <pussfeller> slow on my machine anyways
[04:15] <CarlK> bob2 - um... I used it a week or so ago
[04:15] <silversurfer> it runs like silk on my p4 2.8
[04:15] <silversurfer> then again everything seems to
[04:15] <pussfeller> heh well i got a p2 400
[04:15] <silversurfer> woah
[04:16] <pussfeller> legacy land over here
[04:16] <silversurfer> how come such an ancient rig?
[04:16] <pussfeller> no money :(
[04:16] <johnwl> Ubuntu Packages: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:16] <CarlK> there we go
[04:16] <johnwl> not sure if that's what you want CarkK
[04:16] <CarlK> thanks
[04:16] <silversurfer> dont tell me you have a geforce fx5800
[04:17] <CarlK> exactly what I wanted
[04:17] <pussfeller> i got a g4 mx400
[04:18] <rommer> that would outrun ur cpu
[04:18] <silversurfer> yup
[04:18] <silversurfer> haha
[04:18] <silversurfer> glad you didnt go with gentoo, else you'd still be compiling
[04:19] <billytwowilly> Boo gentoo. Yay not gentoo....
[04:19] <johnwl> pussfeller: how does ubuntu run on your p2?
[04:19] <billytwowilly> well, I think I've contributed quite enough to this chan for today;)
[04:19] <pussfeller> slowly
[04:20] <pussfeller> i use flux cuase gnome was so slow
[04:20] <CarlK> GENeraly TOO... um...what did I come up with ...
[04:20] <johnwl> good idea
[04:20] <Quarupt> Gnome isnt slow on my box
[04:20] <pussfeller> i ran gentoo on here for a long time
[04:20] <pussfeller> but i used distcc to my other boxes and it wasnt so bad
[04:20] <johnwl> I ran mandrake version um something or other with KDE on my pentium pro a few years ago...wasnt as bad as I thought
[04:21] <hank> Ive gotten some linux drivers for my wireless card. Does anyone know how to install them?
[04:21] <silversurfer> ah, i've always wanted to try dcc, just never had the nuts to
[04:21] <j-rock> anyone know what package provides gmake?
[04:21] <j-rock> binutils?
[04:22] <CarlK> jrock - you need this site
[04:22] <CarlK> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:22] <j-rock> k
[04:22] <CarlK> leme know if you can figure out what supplies printer.ko ;)
[04:22] <pussfeller> i wish they would tighten up x somehow so it runs as well as the windows gui does
[04:22] <pussfeller> cause win2k ran much faster on this machine
[04:22] <hank> is x what ubuntu uses?
[04:23] <goldfish_> yep
[04:23] <regeya_> wonder how long it'll be until there's a good gtkhtml browser :-)
[04:23] <pussfeller> x is what everything linux uses for graphics
[04:23] <hank> ahh okay. I find it better than windows but I was using the clunky XP
[04:23] <pussfeller> well xp might be differnt, its really ram heavy
[04:24] <johnwl> forgive my lame explanation but X is what runs between linux and whatever GUI you choose (GNOME, KDE, fluxbox, etc)
[04:24] <pussfeller> win2k gets that way when you plug in all the service packs too
[04:24] <hank> ahh right, the x386 file
[04:24] <hank> yeah, I found win2K faster than XP
[04:25] <CarlK> ever seen win3.11 on a P4? ;)
[04:25] <Fr0d0> Xp is faster than 2000, just it must be optimized
[04:25] <hank> haha, nope. Does it fly
[04:25] <sylvai> win3..1 on a p4, that odd
[04:25] <hank> oh yeah? What kind of optimizations?
[04:25] <johnwl> this site is pretty cool..its all the x windows managers for linux: http://xwinman.org/
[04:25] <Fr0d0> the file interpreter is like 100 times faster
[04:25] <pussfeller> you can turn alot of the eye candy off in xp
[04:25] <Fr0d0> thats just fact
[04:26] <hank> oh right yeah, i've done all that
[04:26] <tritium> Looks like the latest update to evolution forces the user to setup an email account, even if you just want to use it for calendaring and contacts.
[04:26] <Fr0d0> xp runs on the foundation of 2000 but uses a faster file interpreter
[04:26] <hank> anyone have a clue about how to install linux drivers?
[04:26] <pussfeller> altho, its the same thing that makes windows faster that makes it more vulnerable too
[04:26] <CarlK> never tried... just sounded funny.  I was a deskview junky untill I wanted to run a web broser under win95
[04:26] <hank> And 2000 was based on NT no?
[04:27] <johnwl> more or less
[04:28] <rommer> yea it was
[04:28] <Fr0d0> the file interpreter in xp is like 100 times faster than win 2000...but xp is loader with more crap
[04:29] <Fr0d0> but a scaled down xp can boot completely in about 12 seconds
[04:29] <Blackice1963> you got thst right
[04:29] <Blackice1963> lol
[04:29] <hank> serious! no networking I take it
[04:30] <pussfeller> yeah it boots pretty fast to the login screen
[04:30] <Fr0d0> my xp with networking boots in 17 seconds
[04:30] <silversurfer> you time it?
[04:30] <hank> Thats rather quick. Mine must be cluttered with crap. Tough I suppose it must be around that.
[04:30] <johnwl> so you can access your spyware really quickly :)
[04:30] <Fr0d0> but...I still prefer linux, because the hackers are targeting xp
[04:31] <hank> indeed, this is part of my motivation for making a complete conversion
[04:31] <hank> But I need my wireless to Work!!!
[04:31] <johnwl> I ditched win2k completely..first to SUSE 9.2 (very good) then to Ubuntu (awesome)
[04:31] <pussfeller> it will be interesting to seew how well linux holds up as it gets into the hands of more and more clueless users like windows is
[04:32] <Fr0d0> but the security is becoming better for xp all the time, I use AVF virus prot with adaware se and I find it is very very stable
[04:32] <hank> As long as it remains free!!
[04:32] <johnwl> I've installed Ubuntu for two barely capable users and they are doing pretty good
[04:32] <mumak> Does the subversion package on ubuntu require sysadmin to write wrapper scripts to set the umask, the way debian does?
[04:32] <hank> Yeah ubuntu would have to be the most simple yet. Apart form the crazy arse live distros
[04:32] <pussfeller> kubuntu? is that the kde based version
[04:32] <johnwl> hell, I'm barely capable :)
[04:32] <silversurfer> i dont understand how people get spyware... i havent had one thing of spyware on my machine in over 2 years... are you seriously still using IE?
[04:33] <johnwl> pussfeller: yep
[04:33] <Fr0d0> if linux still continues with its damn distro wars, it will shoot itself in the foot, MS is comiing out with its next versions and linux will take a lump
[04:33] <hank> you don't need ie to get spyware
[04:33] <pussfeller> i have seen so many windows machines utterly unusable die to spyware
[04:33] <silversurfer> what are you using to get it?
[04:33] <Riddell> pussfeller: yes it is
[04:34] <hank> I usually use firefox, or opera. Lately firefox and I got the nastiest of somethings. But I deserved it I was at a warez website
[04:34] <pussfeller> most of its not that horrible, its the CWS thats the worst
[04:34] <johnwl> you could put a windows box in a safe, unplugged, no networking, and the spyware faries would still visit
[04:34] <hank> what's CWS?\
[04:34] <hank> yeah true
[04:34] <pussfeller> cool web search
[04:34] <Fr0d0> warez lol
[04:34] <hank> Ahh right
[04:34] <hank> ahah
[04:34] <Fr0d0> yep that will kill you
[04:34] <silversurfer> try using a host file that prevents the spycrap from even getting to you
[04:35] <pussfeller> i had a client, their teen had been using their brand new box for looking at porn
[04:35] <johnwl> oh man
[04:35] <hank> WHat's strange is when you follow up these spam mails trying to sell you dolls and penis' or whatever for that matter. None of them work, You can't buy anything so who the hell makes them!!
[04:35] <pussfeller> there were like 300 entries in hklm/currentversion run
[04:35] <silversurfer> http://www.everythingisnt.com/hosts.html
[04:35] <hank> what's this?
[04:35] <pussfeller> the start up in the reg
[04:36] <silversurfer> thats a nice little hosts file that prevents a lot of spyware from getting to you
[04:36] <Fr0d0> umm, to be honest, if you get spyware in xp its just cuz you dont have a clue...I have reloaded linux because of faulty distros more than I ever did with xp
[04:36] <johnwl> yeah thats true but 90% of computer users dont, and may never, have a clue
[04:36] <hank> Oh, well I guess I don't have a clue. What's your cluefull secret Frodo?
[04:36] <pussfeller> but most windows users really dont have a clue
[04:36] <pussfeller> i got paid last week to show how to add an attachemnt to an email
[04:36] <Fr0d0> clueful secret is , turn off messenger
[04:36] <hank> hahah, that's beautifull.
[04:37] <Fr0d0> use hijacker software
[04:37] <hank> hahaha, I don't use msnger. But that certainly is  amajor source
[04:37] <silversurfer> hank, visit the site i posted, then add it to your hosts file
[04:37] <pussfeller> messenger doesnt add spyware
[04:37] <hank> inX?
[04:37] <silversurfer> it will prevent a lot of crap from getting to you
[04:37] <hank> in XP?
[04:37] <hank> obviously
[04:37] <ells> does anyone know how to setup samba to access my windows machine. I thought I had it hooked up and I am not sure how to connect
[04:37] <Fr0d0> use AVG....lol  man you dont have a clue...messenger is on in xp even if you dont use it lol LOL
[04:38] <pussfeller> theres 2 messengers
[04:38] <pussfeller> the IM and the LAN system chat thingee
[04:38] <hank> awesome thanks. I'll install that
[04:38] <Fr0d0> you must turn messenger off in hidden settings
[04:38] <silversurfer> and dont run xp in admin mode
[04:38] <hank> yeah I have AVG. I find it very cumbersome and slow htough
[04:38] <Fr0d0> lol...AVG is only 5 megs big
[04:39] <hank> yeah mssnger is completeyly gone, I did all of that stuff
[04:39] <Fr0d0> cumbersome?
[04:39] <Fr0d0> you must have dialup
[04:39] <ells> does anyone know how to use samba to access windows
[04:39] <hitriko-sama> hey, i just decided to move to linux to and wanna start with ubuntu, is there any way i can burn the iso to a dvd disk>
[04:39] <pussfeller> elis you have to share a folder on the windows machine and then mount the partition
[04:39] <hank> no cable. I mean while the program scans, its slow
[04:39] <johnwl> yes you can burn the iso to DVD
[04:39] <pussfeller> ells, theres a bout a gazillion tutos on the net
[04:39] <silversurfer> ells:do you have sambaclient installed?
[04:39] <ells> pussfeller, can you walk me through how to set it up
[04:39] <ells> silversurfer, yes
[04:40] <ells> I am not sure what to do next
[04:40] <pussfeller> somebody else can probably show you better, i did it the cli way
[04:40] <hank> slow.
[04:40] <ells> pussfeller, cli way?
[04:40] <silversurfer> ells : open up nautilus and type smb://[nameofserver] 
[04:40] <hank> anyone know of any tutes for wireless networking setup
[04:40] <ells> okay
[04:41] <pussfeller> using fstab and a cred file
[04:41] <ells> silversurfer, is that the ip of the other machine
[04:41] <silversurfer> ells:it can be the IP or the name, stick to the IP though
[04:41] <ells> okay and then it will prompt for the password then
[04:42] <silversurfer> ells : in a perfect world it will
[04:42] <pussfeller> heh
[04:43] <ells> okay, I will giv it a shot
[04:43] <Dr_Acemaster> what's the letter to ahve text time stamped in 12hr time
[04:43] <Dr_Acemaster> rather than H for 24hr time
[04:44] <ells> silversurfer, nothing
[04:44] <silversurfer> hmm do you have all the samba stuff installed?
[04:45] <ells> it says folder contents could not be displayed
[04:45] <ells> silversurfer, I think so
[04:45] <lunitik> Dr_Acemaster: you try a lowercase h?
[04:45] <Dr_Acemaster> yeah, it was the month
[04:45] <Dr_Acemaster> heh
[04:45] <ells> on the windows side, what needs to be done
[04:45] <silversurfer> ells: but it still tried to connect correct?  it found the server just wouldn't let you connect?
[04:46] <Dr_Acemaster> nm, found it, it's "l"
[04:46] <lunitik> Dr_Acemaster: makes perfect sense  :/
[04:46] <ells> well, it did not ask for a password
[04:46] <Dr_Acemaster> lmao
[04:46] <Dr_Acemaster> there ya go
[04:46] <silversurfer> ells is your linux username the same as on windows?
[04:46] <ells> yes
[04:46] <silversurfer> hmm
[04:47] <ells> could it be my firewall on windows
[04:47] <silversurfer> same password?
[04:47] <usual> does 2.6.11 have compatible nvidia drivers in hoary yet?
[04:47] <silversurfer> ells, ya check if that firewall is blocking traffic
[04:48] <ells> silversurfer, I will check real fast
[04:50] <LiquidIce1337> I don't know if anyone can answer this question but I have a amd64 laptop with a radeon 9700 mobility with ubuntu hoary installed.. now my problem is i performed 'sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx' and that worked out fine but im getting an error when I run glxinfo that "Xlib: extension "XFree-86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". can anyone help me these ati drivers are driving me crazy
[04:50] <ells> it does not appear to be blocking it
[04:50] <ells> I can go in through remote desktop
[04:50] <johnwl> LiguidIce1337: way out of my league..sry
[04:51] <silversurfer> LiquiedIce1337: silly question, did you reboot the machine?
[04:51] <LiquidIce1337> well not yet but I had the same problem last time I installed these drivers after a fresh install of hoary
[04:51] <LiquidIce1337> im rebooting now
[04:51] <LiquidIce1337> i'll let you know if anything changes though
[04:52] <LiquidIce1337> was wondering if i missed any commands before i restarted
[04:52] <silversurfer> did you make sure your card is using the right driver?
[04:52] <LiquidIce1337> how would I go about doing that? I am new to ubuntu
[04:52] <LiquidIce1337> i cna edit files i just need to know where they are located so I can type it in the terminal
[04:53] <LiquidIce1337> xorg.conf im assuming your talking about
[04:53] <ells> silversurfer, it worked
[04:53] <silversurfer> Liquid : I have been using ubuntu for 3 days, gentoo for 2 years... so i am not too experienced myself
[04:53] <ells> how can I give myself access to more folders
[04:54] <silversurfer> ells : on the windows machine you have to share them
[04:54] <ells> okay, i will check that out
[04:54] <LiquidIce1337> yea I am in the exact same boat gentoo for like 2 days.. couldn't get install to finish on stage 3 so i tried ubuntu because it's impossible to find a 64 bit distro that will work in conjunction with my mobility radeon 9700
[04:54] <johnwl> LiguidIce1337: Did you see this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13226
[04:55] <ells> silversurfer, where in windows, sorry
[04:55] <johnwl> not sure if that will help
[04:55] <ells> dont use windows for network too much
[04:55] <silversurfer> ells : hehe no worries, just open up windows explorer and right click on a folder you want to share, then you should see the share tab
[04:55] <ells> silversurfer, thanks
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> I can try it john thankyou
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> as rebooting didn't help my situation
[04:56] <silversurfer> Liquid
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> stuck with mesa
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> back to square 1
[04:56] <LiquidIce1337> yes?
[04:56] <silversurfer> in the config file, make sure your device driver is fglrx
[04:56] <silversurfer> not ati
[04:56] <silversurfer> thats now i got my ati 9700 going
[04:57] <silversurfer> but i am not on an amd64
[04:57] <johnwl> that complicates things a bit
[04:57] <silversurfer> how so johnwl
[04:58] <johnwl> jsut from what I'm reading..amd64/ati/linux not playing nicely
[04:58] <silversurfer> ouch
[04:58] <LiquidIce1337> yeah unfortunately
[04:58] <silversurfer> that sucks
[04:58] <LiquidIce1337> I'll try the forum john reccomended
[04:58] <LiquidIce1337> thanks for pointing me in a better direction
[04:58] <johnwl> yeah its a few pages long so i didnt read it all
[04:58] <LiquidIce1337> hopefully I cna work some magic with this
[04:58] <silversurfer> good luck Liquid
[04:59] <johnwl> seems to be good info in there
[04:59] <LiquidIce1337> thanks
[04:59] <LiquidIce1337> i'll be here often I can tell
[04:59] <LiquidIce1337> hah
[04:59] <silversurfer> hehe
[04:59] <johnwl> nvidia seems to be way more on the ball with linux..hopefully ati will catch up
[04:59] <ells> silversurfer, this works great.
[05:00] <ells> I am going to use this for school
[05:00] <silversurfer> what's kind of funny is i have 3 days of debian / ubuntu experience and i am offering advice in the channel lol
[05:00] <LiquidIce1337> hmm im having a problem here
[05:00] <silversurfer> sweet ells, glad you got it working
[05:00] <LiquidIce1337> how would i go about loggin in as root
[05:00] <johnwl> <-2 days :)
[05:00] <ells> silversurfer, thanks man
[05:00] <LiquidIce1337> i only ahve a username
[05:00] <LiquidIce1337> root has no password
[05:00] <silversurfer> liquid, open up a terminal and su to it
[05:00] <EndGame> LiquidIce1337, sudo -s
[05:00] <SiRrUs> anyone here anything about a fix for the hoary refresh lag?
[05:01] <silversurfer> or what EndGame said lol
[05:01] <LiquidIce1337> thanks
[05:01] <johnwl> SiRrUs: not me
[05:01] <SiRrUs> johnwl thanks
[05:02] <silversurfer> is there a calendar program that lets me connect to my yahoo calendar?
[05:03] <johnwl> LiquidIce1337: have you seen the HOWTO http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:04] <johnwl> i cant believe how good the starter guide, howtos, and other support are for such a new distro
[05:05] <silversurfer> johnwl how old is ubuntu?
[05:05] <SiRrUs> october silversurfer
[05:05] <SiRrUs> i believe
[05:05] <ggeecko> can anyone suggest a jpeg viewer
[05:06] <johnwl> warty was released in october of last year
[05:06] <CarlK2> warty - how do I share a printer installed in cups?
[05:06] <kerframil> ggeecko: gthumb
[05:06] <johnwl> DistroWatch Ubuntu: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[05:06] <geppy|Clerks> ggecko: gthumb
[05:06] <silversurfer> hmm SiRrus, lemme check that out, thanks
[05:07] <SiRrUs> check it out? :)
[05:07] <silversurfer> ooh, thought you were talking about the calendar lol
[05:08] <johnwl> the only thing i dont like about Ubuntu is the shirtless guy on the homepage lol
[05:08] <SiRrUs> nope warty 4.10 :) 2004 October
[05:08] <ggeecko> thx
[05:09] <silversurfer> ah, well it's made gentoo disappear for me... and somehow extended my ipw2200 range outside of the house
[05:09] <johnwl> that and my co-workers call me Warty Warthog now :(
[05:09] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Hmm. :P
[05:10] <johnwl> time to apt-get install tacobell
[05:11] <Dr_willis> i just apt-got leftovers
[05:11] <johnwl> lol
[05:11] <Dr_willis> Lo Mein - good even reheated the next day
[05:11] <xed> Ahoyhoy everyone
[05:11] <xed> guess what I'm here for?
[05:11] <johnwl> oh man i may have to order chinese now
[05:12] <johnwl> you've come to offer tech support to noobs?
[05:12] <silversurfer> alright everyone, i am outta heeya... nighty
[05:12] <johnwl> cya
[05:12] <xed> johnw1: only if.. only if..
[05:12] <johnwl> lol
[05:12] <xed> johnwl: I am teh noob who the tech support helps. =(
[05:12] <Dr_willis> its sad when you watch 'Iron Chefs' while eating a Blogna Sandwich.. :P
[05:12] <johnwl> you are not alone xed
[05:12] <xed> I remember having this issue before, but now I can't remember how I resolved it.
[05:12] <CarlK> anyone know how to print a test page from a shell?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> hmm.
[05:13] <xed> johnw1: What happened was...when I put in the install CD.. the little screen comes up
[05:13] <neighborlee> yeah baby ubuntu is 6 away from going over mepis!!!! ( i'm so happy )
[05:13] <xed> "To boot press Enter"
[05:13] <xed> I press Enter
[05:13] <neighborlee> I LOVE UBUNTU
[05:13] <xed> And it does this whole loading of the whatnots.. and huzzah! I'm screwed!
[05:13] <xed> It goes black..
[05:13] <xed> Darkness!
[05:14] <CarlK> Dr_willis - did you know there is an Iron Chef movie?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> CarlK,  lol - havent seen THAT yet. :p
[05:14] <CarlK> "God of Cookery" I think
[05:14] <xed> No? No one wants to help?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> xed,  this is right after the install?
[05:14] <CarlK> Dr_willis - it has plot and everything
[05:14] <xed> err. Dr_willis: I never get to the install part..
[05:14] <johnwl> xed: (im a newb too) but does it do it at the same spot each time?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> CarlK,  Egads!
[05:14] <CarlK> well, the first 20 min... hanv't watched the end yet
[05:15] <xed> johnw1: Yes, it just loads a bunch of text.. too fast...
[05:15] <xed> I have a widescreen.. that could be teh issue?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> xed,  Hmm.. thats odd..  its possible you got some really odd system.. or your cd-disk is messed up
[05:15] <xed> nope
[05:15] <Dr_willis> the installer is text based.
[05:15] <xed> Dr_willis: I had it installed earlier
[05:15] <Dr_willis> shouldent matter.
[05:15] <xed> I remember I did.. or rather someone told me to do something
[05:15] <xed> instead of pressing enter, I type in something else, and it worked.
[05:15] <tga> maybe his framebuffer is confused
[05:15] <johnwl> xed: dunno i installed it on a friends widescreen with no issues tho
[05:15] <xed> Only if I had remembered..
[05:15] <Dr_willis> you isting warty, or hory? thers plenty of kernel boot options you can use.
[05:15] <jsgotangco> doh
[05:15] <xed> I'm on a laptop..?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> noapci, nopic,
[05:15] <johnwl> xed: so was he
[05:16] <xed> Dr_willis: eh? me?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> are commn options
[05:16] <xed> tga: Something relating to the framebuffer.. I remember that..
[05:16] <xed> Or rather, I think it was..
[05:16] <jsgotangco> ohhh fb
[05:16] <Dr_willis> Framebuffer. - Hmm...
[05:16] <jsgotangco> its a resolution thing
[05:16] <xed> Wish I had remembered...
[05:16] <tga> that's what used to happen to me on an old 13" monitor.. the fb would push it out of sync
[05:16] <xed> So.. what do I do?
[05:16] <xed> And please don't say "Go kill yourself"
[05:17] <jsgotangco> and also dont say RTFM
[05:17] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:17] <tga> you could try passing an option to the kernel to disable the fb
[05:17] <tga> vga=ask
[05:17] <tga> or something
[05:17] <xed> ...
[05:17] <xed> Which.. means..?
[05:17] <jsgotangco> its this a problem with the livecd?
[05:17] <xed> jsgotangco: Negative.  I'm trying to install it.
[05:17] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[05:17] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:18] <tga> does the installer use lilo or grub?
[05:18] <xed> ...err..
[05:18] <Dr_willis> boot cd - is useing Grub i think isent it.
[05:18] <johnwl> im trying to remember what the install options are if you press f1 or f2
[05:18] <xed> I'm trying to remember who helped me before.
[05:18] <xed> Was it cafuego..?
[05:18] <xed> Hmm..
[05:18] <xed> wish I remembered..
[05:19] <xed> My memory is crappy.
[05:19] <xed> Not my PC.. me.. my memory.. as in.. my brain..
[05:19] <tga> get a pen and a notepad
[05:19] <xed> tga: Got it.
[05:19] <xed> Now to destroy life.
[05:19] <kerframil> xed: debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[05:19] <kerframil> perhaps
[05:19] <xed> err..
[05:20] <tga> try passing the kernel an option after the kernel image name
[05:20] <kerframil> sorry, if I'm late to the party but I thought there was some talk about disabling fb
[05:20] <xed> kerframil: I type that in at the screen where it says "Press enter to boot" or something?
[05:20] <kerframil> in which case, that option should do it
[05:20] <kerframil> xed: yes, as tga indicates
[05:20] <xed> "debian-installer/framebuffer=false"
[05:20] <tga> or even <name of image> vga=ask
[05:20] <xed> I .. don't remember debian being in the solution..
[05:20] <tga> I don't know what the image is called
[05:20] <xed> name of.. image?
[05:20] <kerframil> it uses the debian installer so
[05:20] <xed> I .. recieved the cd's from a friend.. who got it in the mail.. =/
[05:21] <kerframil> video=vga16:off
[05:21] <kerframil> as an alternative
[05:21] <tga> hit tab and you should get a list of bootable images
[05:22] <xed> What will vga=ask do?
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> ask you what vga mode you want
[05:22] <xed> ...
[05:23] <xed> And how will I deteremine... which to choose?
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> you can choose whatever you like
[05:23] <xed> Sounds.. good
[05:23] <xed> Brb
[05:24] <xed_desk> on desktop now
[05:25] <yoko-omo> what is the package that installs g++, and such?  developer-tools?
[05:27] <johnwl> Ubuntu Packages Search: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[05:27] <xed> Okay, so none of the ideas suggested worked
[05:28] <kerframil> yoko-omo: I don't know what the meta-package is (assuming there is one) but you could install gcc and its "recommends"
[05:28] <xed> tabbig does not bring up the names of the images either =/
[05:28] <xed> So.. any other suggestions?
[05:29] <rommerUB> is there a way to make the fonts look better on a laptop (on windows there was cleartype or something)
[05:29] <xed> Ello?
[05:29] <johnwl> you can install windows truetype fonts
[05:30] <kerframil> yoko-omo: ah, try sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:30] <johnwl> xed: sry no ideas
[05:30] <johnwl> xed: did you try searching the community forums?
[05:30] <jdub> rommerUB: go into the font preferences dialogue, choose subpixel smoothing
[05:30] <mruiz> hi guys!
[05:30] <yoko-omo> kerframil, thanks
[05:31] <yoko-omo> just found it
[05:31] <yoko-omo> :)
[05:31] <rommerUB> thnaks jdbu
[05:31] <Levander> Can I get descriptions of packages not installed on my system via apt-get? Similar to how the dpkg -l command works.
[05:32] <tims> how do I get rid of all the other bootup kernels in grub?
[05:32] <mebaran151> tims
[05:32] <xed> huzzaaaaah
[05:32] <xed> fixed it
[05:32] <mebaran151> if you reomve them
[05:32] <mebaran151> unistall them with synaptic or apt
[05:32] <xed> solution was
[05:32] <johnwl> xed: how?
[05:32] <xed> in the manual
[05:32] <xed> johnw1: I feel like a moron..
[05:32] <mebaran151> the update-grub script takes care of the rest
[05:32] <kerframil> xed: which was?
[05:32] <tims> that sounds great
[05:32] <xed> johnwl: "linux vga=771"
[05:32] <mebaran151> so just find the kernels you dont want
[05:33] <mebaran151> if you want to have the kernel available
[05:33] <mebaran151> but dont want to boot it
[05:33] <mebaran151> you have to manually edit it yourself
[05:33] <johnwl> xed: no i feel like a moron..i almost suggested that
[05:33] <xed> johnwl: I had to type that in. =/
[05:33] <regeya_> guh.  is there some sort of wankery that holds the XF86Audio keys support together in GNOME and only GNOME?  'Coz when I try the keys when I'm running Window Maker, no worky.
[05:33] <mebaran151> I havent the slightest idea why
[05:33] <xed> now to complete the installation
[05:33] <xed> Thanks for teh help
[05:33] <regeya_> wait...I think I know.
[05:33] <johnwl> good luck
[05:33] <tims> what file do you edit.. grub.conf?
[05:33] <mebaran151> XF86Keys dont even work at all on my logitech keyboard
[05:33] <mebaran151> tims
[05:33] <mebaran151> you would edit
[05:33] <kerframil> tims: /boot/grub/menu.lst probably
[05:33] <regeya_> really.
[05:34] <mebaran151> /etc/boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:34] <mebaran151> but just uninstall the kernel
[05:34] <mebaran151> you probably dont have any use for an unbootable kernel
[05:34] <regeya_> before I was a ubuntu user, I had no trouble with XF86Keys with my logitech kbd
[05:34] <mebaran151> taking 50 mbs of hdd space
[05:34] <mebaran151> I never got XF86keys to work ever
[05:34] <mebaran151> I just got use to it
[05:34] <mebaran151> using plus and minus to change the volume isnt THAT hard
[05:35] <regeya_> well, having had it work just fine in other envs, you'll pardon me if I find that to be unacceptable ;-)  yeah, you're right, it's not a big deal, but heck, I know it can work.
[05:35] <Levander> No way to do something similar to a 'dpkg -l' for an uninstalled package?
[05:35] <mebaran151> regeya
[05:35] <mebaran151> how do you make it work
[05:35] <rommerUB> is mozilla firefox 1.0.1 available from apt-get?
[05:35] <mebaran151> does it automagically work
[05:35] <tims> so should I mark the old kernel for removal or complete removal?
[05:35] <mebaran151> removal will be just fine
[05:35] <mebaran151> complete removal purges the config
[05:35] <mebaran151> which is no big deal
[05:36] <mebaran151> as the kernel was probably left in its default config
[05:36] <mebaran151> whichever makes you fuzziest
[05:36] <mebaran151> regeya_, nothing is cooler than my INDESTRUCTIBLE keyboard
[05:36] <tims> ok thanks.. before I do this.. is there a way of displaying which kerel I am running? to be sure?
[05:37] <mebaran151> uname -r
[05:37] <mebaran151> at the cli
[05:37] <mebaran151> but dpkg will warn you
[05:37] <mebaran151> if you try to delete a kernel that you are running
[05:37] <mebaran151> it will bellow
[05:37] <regeya_> mebaran151, I suppose you've tried to use a compatible keymap... :-}
[05:37] <xed> Okay
[05:37] <xed> I've run into yet another issue
[05:37] <mebaran151> regeya_, I get scared of keymaps
[05:37] <monoxide> what is the command to open the nautillus cd burning application?
[05:37] <mebaran151> they kill small children at night
[05:37] <mebaran151> I am sure of it
[05:37] <xed> How do I go about creating another partition... for Ubuntu while in the set up
[05:37] <mebaran151> open nautilus
[05:37] <mebaran151> and go to places
[05:38] <xed> I'm at the partition part in the set up. =/
[05:38] <mebaran151> and you will have a a place lCD DVD Creator
[05:38] <mebaran151> just drag and drop
[05:38] <xed> Ello?
[05:38] <regeya_> mebaran151, if you fire up gnome-control-center (I have the settings daemons running for nautilus's sake...why must nautilus have a daemon to pick the proper icon set...) and choosing the proper keymap from the proper control panel works fine
[05:38] <rommerUB> what is a good msn messenger client for linux?
[05:38] <regeya_> mebaran151, but I ended up asking in here first, instead of investigating, and for that I apologize. :-)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> GAIM
[05:39] <jsgotangco> rommerUB: GAIM supports MSN
[05:39] <xed> Ellooo?
[05:39] <rommerUB> oh ok
[05:39] <monoxide> Couldn't display burn:///
[05:39] <xed> Anyone here?
[05:39] <johnwl> theres also: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/
[05:39] <xed> ...
[05:39] <mebaran151> haha
[05:39] <jsgotangco> xed
[05:39] <mebaran151> I looked
[05:39] <xed> jsgotangco
[05:39] <jsgotangco> theres a partition tool in during the setup
[05:39] <mebaran151> regeya_, damn logitech
[05:40] <mebaran151> does EVERYTHING have to begin with i
[05:40] <regeya_> heh
[05:40] <mebaran151> I forgot for what model keybd I have
[05:40] <regeya_> I thought that was strictly an apple ailment...heh
[05:40] <monoxide> mebaran151, Couldn't display burn:///
[05:40] <mebaran151> hmmm
[05:41] <xed> jsgotangco: I have 2 paritions atm... one primary (windows) and one logical (for all teh stuff I use).. I want to create a partition within the logical one (since it is most of teh hdd).. I want to create a partition for Ubuntu within that, how do I go about doing that?
[05:41] <mebaran151> monoxide, I dont know then
[05:41] <regeya_> interesting...ubuntu window maker package doesn't have DND support built in.  must...fix...bad...package!
[05:41] <mebaran151> works for me
[05:41] <jsgotangco> xed: where are you now on the setup
[05:41] <xed> "Parition disks"
[05:41] <xed> jsgotangco
[05:41] <mebaran151> are you sure it can figure out where your CDR is
[05:41] <mebaran151> it might have lost it
[05:41] <monoxide> i have 2 cd drives if that makes a difference
[05:42] <mebaran151> regeya_, is it black
[05:42] <jsgotangco> xed: i dont remember much, but I believe theres an advance option there
[05:42] <mebaran151> and has werid buttons on the side
[05:42] <xed> ...
[05:42] <regeya_> nope, white with blue trim
[05:42] <mebaran151> like three of them
[05:42] <mebaran151> oh
[05:42] <regeya_> yeah
[05:42] <mebaran151> I have the black magic keyboard
[05:42] <jsgotangco> xed: that allows you to create/edit partitions for your logical drive
[05:42] <mebaran151> indestructibly
[05:42] <mebaran151> namely I covered in celophane
[05:42] <mebaran151> so I shant ever fear my espresso again
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i wish i had an addtional box by my side
[05:42] <jsgotangco> but what i only have is my laptop :)
[05:42] <regeya_> they have several models that all use the same casing, but different colors and names...don't know if the internals are identical or not. :-/
[05:42] <johnwl> advanced partioning in Ubuntu needs some work
[05:42] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:43] <mebaran151> they should include like qtparted
[05:43] <regeya_> this keyboard lacks the "Apple" icon on the Alt keys
[05:43] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:43] <mebaran151> with embedded qtparted
[05:43] <jsgotangco> actually the partitioning in ubuntu is quite freaky for n00bs
[05:43] <mebaran151> I mean embedded qt
[05:43] <mebaran151> nah
[05:43] <xed> jsgotangco: how do I go about creating?
[05:43] <maccorin> what is in the wine utils package?
[05:43] <mebaran151> it is just sort of crappy
[05:43] <regeya_> except the Logitech people have it dead wrong...iirc they have the Apple on the Window keys, and Command is mapped to Alt in OS X
[05:43] <jsgotangco> xed: hmmm hold on
[05:43] <mebaran151> haha
[05:44] <regeya_> or the other way 'round, I always forget.  whatever, they did it wrong.
[05:44] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:44] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas why i cant burn a cd with nautillus? or another program i can try
[05:44] <mebaran151> I always wondered why whenever I try to do an alt gr on my mapped keyboard
[05:44] <mebaran151> it dies
[05:44] <mebaran151> as in
[05:44] <johnwl> did you install the dvdlibs?
[05:44] <mebaran151> it doesnt do altgr
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Hmm. If i want to get the fundamental programs installed to let me do some lessoms on C++ programing.. is there a single 'package' that will get me all the 'needed' packages?
[05:44] <johnwl> oh cd nm
[05:44] <Dr_willis> thats what they call a 'meta-package' isent it?
[05:44] <mebaran151> Dr_willis, try build-essential
[05:45] <mebaran151> it has all the basic libs for building your programs
[05:45] <xed> Okay.. so..
[05:45] <Dr_willis> cool
[05:45] <mebaran151> gedit is fine for actually writing simple code, like vim but prettier
[05:45] <Dr_willis> i never wouild of guessed that name :P
[05:45] <mebaran151> haha
[05:45] <mebaran151> well not like vim
[05:45] <mebaran151> they both do syntax highlighting
[05:45] <johnwl> is there an apt-get install paris_hilton's_movies? j/k
[05:45] <xed> jsgotangco: You still there?
[05:45] <monoxide> johnwl, package not found?
[05:45] <EndGame> i think there in portage
[05:46] <johnwl> heh
[05:46] <EndGame> yet another reason to switch
[05:46] <xed> ...
[05:46] <jsgotangco> xed: hold on im getting a box here to help you out
[05:46] <EndGame> phrack is in portage
[05:46] <xed> Ah, alright js
[05:46] <xed> jsgotangco*
[05:46] <EndGame> you can literaly emerge phrack, and get every issue ever
[05:46] <Dr_willis> all rigthy.. the prog i am trying to compile almost worked.. :P
[05:46] <LiquidIce1337> got another question for you guys
[05:47] <mebaran151> what error did you get
[05:47] <Dr_willis> bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu  -- now i just got to figure out what  libXmu is :) thats would be a good guessas to the package name to search for?
[05:47] <mebaran151> some gui programs require glade
[05:47] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:47] <LiquidIce1337> this forum the first post says to convert the rpm to deb using alien.. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13226 i understand what they mean but they are talking about downloading the ati driver from the ati website for xorg and just converting that one?
[05:47] <mebaran151> what kind of proggie is this
[05:48] <monoxide> i keep getting "burn:/// not a valid location" from nautilus. any ideas anyone?
[05:48] <mebaran151> LiquidIce1337, they now include the ati driver in restricted moduels
[05:48] <mebaran151> monoxide, it doesnt know you have a burner
[05:48] <iotc247> amaranth you there?
[05:48] <mebaran151> it thinks you have two cdroms
[05:48] <LiquidIce1337> mebaren151: which means (sorry im new)
[05:48] <tims> what does this mean? E: zope-cmfcore1.4:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:48] <tims> E: zope-cmftopic1.4:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:48] <mebaran151> LiquidIce1337, no problem
[05:48] <mebaran151> just do this
[05:48] <mebaran151> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[05:49] <monoxide> mebaran151, well how do i tell it that i have one then?
[05:49] <mebaran151> put a CD in that drive
[05:49] <xed> Maybe I should just pop in my Windows XP CD, create a partition for Ubuntu and restart installation for Ubuntu?
[05:49] <mebaran151> let us first check that it can read
[05:49] <Dr_willis> trying to compile this game called 'Transcend'
[05:49] <monoxide> i have
[05:49] <mebaran151> ah
[05:49] <Dr_willis> mentioned in a Linux Mag. :p
[05:49] <mebaran151> probably a sound lib
[05:49] <mebaran151> did ./configure go ok
[05:49] <johnwl> xed: set your coffee on your XP CD and get to work on Ubuntu :)
[05:49] <monoxide> it can read a cd on that drive
[05:49] <mebaran151> ok
[05:50] <xed> johnwl: But I can't figure out how to create ze partition!
[05:50] <EndGame> mkfs.ze
[05:50] <mebaran151> xed
[05:50] <EndGame> mkfs.pot_smoking_hippies
[05:50] <xed> mebaran151
[05:50] <johnwl> xed: yeah its a mess..did you consider just intalling witht he default and playing with partions after the install?
[05:50] <mebaran151> if you have the bandwidth
[05:51] <jsgotangco> he wants to dual boot
[05:51] <johnwl> scuse my typos
[05:51] <mebaran151> dll www.sysresccd.org
[05:51] <johnwl> ahh nm
[05:51] <LiquidIce1337> hmm "E: couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[05:51] <xed> ...what is that?
[05:51] <mebaran151> and repartition with with the iso on it
[05:51] <mebaran151> it is a another linux livecd
[05:51] <xed> =/ i have an easier way =/
[05:51] <regeya_> hm...XDND support in WMaker marked as experimental...hm...*shrug* lessee what happens! :-)
[05:51] <mebaran151> xed
[05:51] <xed> But I'd have to cancel the set up right now =(
[05:51] <mebaran151> what is your easier way
[05:51] <xed> what i Just said
[05:51] <xed> Pop in my Windows XP CD, create a partition for Ubuntu and restart installation for Ubuntu?
[05:51] <mebaran151> winxp wont resize a partition
[05:51] <mebaran151> so you would have to can windows
[05:51] <mebaran151> which isnt that bad
[05:51] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:51] <mebaran151> but you might not want to do that
[05:52] <xed> mebaran151: Not necessarily
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mebaran151,  got it.. played about 2 min.. and am now Very dizzy. :P lol
[05:52] <mebaran151> haha
[05:52] <mebaran151> cool
[05:52] <xed> I could create a second partition of say 8GB, .. say.. NTFS or whatever
[05:52] <xed> Load up set up again..
[05:52] <mebaran151> nah
[05:52] <mebaran151> see
[05:52] <xed> and then .. just erease that partition created
[05:52] <xed> erase*
[05:52] <mebaran151> the WInXP default is to eat your entire harddisk
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mebaran151,  picure asteroids in fancy colors.. but the map 'spins' you dont turn. the world does..
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mebaran151,  and it zooms in/out as your speed changes..
[05:52] <xed> mebaran151: No.. it also has the ability to create a partition. =
[05:52] <xed> =\
[05:52] <mebaran151> so to make a new partition you have to delete the first partition
[05:52] <jsgotangco> it can
[05:52] <mebaran151> no it will create it
[05:53] <xed> Thats how I partitioned my HDD...
[05:53] <jsgotangco> you go to disk management
[05:53] <mebaran151> but to create it it has to go destroy it
[05:53] <jsgotangco> you dont have to format it
[05:53] <jsgotangco> right
[05:53] <mebaran151> I am not creating a partition
[05:53] <xed> It doesn't have to destroy windows. =\
[05:53] <mebaran151> I am trying to resize it
[05:53] <mebaran151> if you go to the disk manager in windows
[05:53] <mebaran151> you can only resize dynamic arrays
[05:53] <xed> mebaran151: I see what you're saying...I think..
[05:53] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:53] <mebaran151> see
[05:53] <mebaran151> let me put it another way
[05:53] <mebaran151> Windows owns your entire harddisk
[05:54] <xed> Hmm.. so how do I go about doing it while in the set up..(Ubuntu) at the "Partition Disks" part..
[05:54] <mebaran151> so let us say you have a 10 gb disk
[05:54] <goldfish_> u have to erase the windows partition
[05:54] <mebaran151> windows has the entire 10gb
[05:54] <goldfish_> if u do it that way
[05:54] <johnwl> xed: a thread on installing for xp/ubuntu dual boot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16287
[05:54] <mebaran151> if you want to make a second partition you dont have anymore room
[05:54] <mebaran151> to make that second partition
[05:54] <xed> I have to destroy a partition? =(
[05:54] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:55] <mebaran151> so that we have some room to make a new partition
[05:55] <rommerUB> how can i install mozilla-firefox 1.0.1
[05:55] <mebaran151> rommerUB, do you really need it?
[05:55] <rommerUB> yes
[05:55] <mebaran151> I dont think they have a pkg yet
[05:55] <jsgotangco> theres no backport yet right
[05:55] <mebaran151> so you are going to have use the mozilla installer
[05:55] <mebaran151> and circumvent pkg management
[05:55] <Jeezis> hello
[05:55] <rommerUB> yea ok thanks
[05:55] <mebaran151> which is just rather annoying
[05:56] <Jeezis> what is the kernel version for 5.10?
[05:56] <jsgotangco> id stick with the "current" backport
[05:56] <xed> mebaran151: So my point was valid..
[05:56] <xed> what if I created a 3rd empty partition.. say.. NTFS.. with Windows XP..
[05:56] <Jeezis> what is the kernel version for warty 5.10?
[05:56] <xed> And then destroyed it when in the Ubuntu set up.. and use it for Ubuntu =/
[05:57] <Deviant> I Have my wireless setup , everything seems to be set correctly but im unable to connect to my router to get an IP ! dhcpdiscover can't get it.
[05:57] <LiquidIce1337> hmm mebaran i preformed what you said but not luck "E: couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules"
[05:57] <goldfish_> Deviant: tried picking a manual ip?
[05:57] <Deviant> yes
[05:58] <goldfish_> k
[05:58] <Jeezis> can anyone hear me?
[05:58] <Deviant> im stumped on this one.
[05:58] <johnwl> Jeezis: yes. no idea. did you try the ubuntu web site?
[05:59] <EndGame> i need to add g++ to my PATH
[05:59] <Jeezis> johnwl: looking right now
[05:59] <EndGame> i cant compile pengAOL
[05:59] <johnwl> warty 5.1 or warty 4.1?
[05:59] <Jeezis> i'm trying to get x to run on a sager 9860-s
[05:59] <monoxide> Jeezis, no. your talking to yourself
[06:00] <johnwl> Jezzis: Try distro watch: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[06:00] <ultrafunk> Dr_willis: installing x-window-system-dev (warty, hoary should be similar) would get you the includes you need
[06:00] <monoxide> Jeezis, whatever version you install?
[06:00] <mebaran151> I want to play with mono
[06:00] <mebaran151> anyone know the repo for all those pkgs
[06:00] <LiquidIce1337> can someone tell me why I get the error "E: couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules" when i do sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[06:00] <EndGame> anyone?
[06:00] <EndGame> please help
[06:00] <regeya_> kiss an infected person
[06:00] <johnwl> LiquidIce1337: you may need extra repositories (not sure): http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:01] <mebaran151> oh
[06:01] <mebaran151> LiquidIce1337, that might not be the pkg name
[06:01] <Jeezis> i installed warty v5.10
[06:01] <mebaran151> go to synaptic
[06:01] <LiquidIce1337> thanksyou john
[06:01] <xed> Why does I have to go back to windows setup =(
[06:01] <mebaran151> gksudo synatpic
[06:01] <mebaran151> xed why are you going to a windows set up
[06:01] <mebaran151> you might try insert
[06:01] <johnwl> is there a warty 5.1?
[06:01] <crimsun> no.
[06:01] <mebaran151> johnwl, I dont think so
[06:01] <mebaran151> hi crimsun
[06:01] <xed> mebaran151: Going to create a dummy NTFS partition, and then go back to set up for Ubuntu and destroy that partion, and use it for UBuntu
[06:02] <mebaran151> you willing to lose windows
[06:02] <mebaran151> I gurantee
[06:02] <mebaran151> if you rely on the windows tools
[06:02] <mebaran151> windows might just be dead upon next reboot
[06:02] <xed> mebaran151: Yeah, but I want to use Windows for gaming. =|
[06:02] <mebaran151> then you are going to need to use a livecd
[06:02] <crimsun> it will be 5.04 when it releases
[06:02] <mebaran151> take my word for it
[06:02] <Jeezis> oops
[06:02] <mebaran151> windows wont resize itself
[06:02] <xed> mebaran151: Even so, I have seperated Windows from the files I need..onto a different partition
[06:02] <Jeezis> yes i installed warty 5.04
[06:03] <mebaran151> xed, how did you do that?
[06:03] <mebaran151> you have a spare partition lying around
[06:03] <farruinn> johnwl: 5.04 for April 2005
[06:03] <johnwl> thx
[06:03] <xed> When originally installing Windows, I created a second partition  (NTFS) and now keep all important files onto that..
[06:03] <mebaran151> oh
[06:03] <mebaran151> why not just move those files temporarily to your main partition
[06:03] <mebaran151> use that partition
[06:04] <arbeck> can someone help me with cdrecord?
[06:04] <mebaran151> and later make a new windows partition for those files when you have a good linux system up
[06:04] <johnwl> xed: whatever you do i suggest you backup key data first
[06:04] <mebaran151> arbeck, try graveman
[06:04] <xed> johnw1: I think I just might have to now.. =(
[06:04] <mebaran151> it is a good front end
[06:04] <xed> Darkness =(
[06:04] <mebaran151> backing up is a pain
[06:04] <Jento00001> whats the difference between ubuntu and debian?
[06:04] <mebaran151> ubuntu takes a debian base
[06:05] <mebaran151> and makes it just more cohesive
[06:05] <mebaran151> using development Gnome pkgs
[06:05] <mebaran151> also
[06:05] <mebaran151> KDE lovers must go elsewhere
[06:05] <monoxide> ubuntu = debian + extras?
[06:05] <mebaran151> basically
[06:05] <Jeezis> well shit, i downloaded the most recent warty verson i guess
[06:05] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:05] <mebaran151> warty is the stable
[06:05] <mebaran151> hoary isnt so bad anymore
[06:05] <arbeck> mebaran151: well, gnomebaker, nautilus, and cdrecord all won't work... cdrdao does... i've written a python script to take care of audio cd's but data is a bit more challenging
[06:05] <EndGame> how do i disable hotplugging on boot
[06:05] <Jento00001> Jeezis: i downloaded it over night, is the installation hard?
[06:06] <johnwl> not for most
[06:06] <mebaran151> arbeck, if you wrote a python script to write audio cds
[06:06] <mebaran151> you are a step ahead of me
[06:06] <Jeezis> i installed it just fine
[06:06] <Jeezis> but im on a laptop
[06:06] <Xenguy> Jento00001: Ubu is based on Debian unstable, makes that stable, adds a GNOME desktop, chooses sane default applications, and tries to do that every 6 months on schedule :-)
[06:06] <Jeezis> and now x wont work
[06:06] <Jento00001> Johnw1: what kind of GUI does ubuntu use?
[06:06] <johnwl> OS installations are always a crapshoot but I've installed it on 4 different boxes without an issue
[06:06] <Jeezis> had the same problem with rh9
[06:06] <mebaran151> how did you do it by python script
[06:06] <johnwl> Jento: GNOME
[06:06] <Jento00001> Xenguy
[06:06] <Jento00001> hmm ok
[06:06] <mebaran151> I would like to see that
[06:06] <mebaran151> going around cdrecord
[06:06] <mebaran151> if you would
[06:07] <Jento00001> thats not bad i guess ill burn it to a cd, i ordered 10 cds to give out to friends
[06:07] <Xenguy> Jento00001: me too :-)
[06:07] <arbeck> mebaran151: simple... just detect the file, convert to track#.wav, add to a .toc file, then call cdrdao with that .toc
[06:07] <johnwl> i ordered 30
[06:07] <johnwl> ive already installed it for a few folks
[06:07] <Xenguy> Jento00001: I think it is quite impressive so far (and I expect Hoary will be better still)
[06:07] <Jento00001> i ordered yesterday will they give me the new one thats coming out in 4 6 weeks or the old one?
[06:07] <mebaran151> arbeck
[06:08] <mebaran151> neato
[06:08] <mebaran151> I didnt realize cd audio was straight wave
[06:08] <mebaran151> I thought it would be special
[06:08] <johnwl> i still havent gotten the ones i orded 2 weeks ago..my guess is we'll be getting the new ones
[06:08] <mebaran151> arbeck, maybe just reinstall cdrecord
[06:08] <mebaran151> like purge it and reinstall
[06:08] <mebaran151> what error does it give
[06:08] <Jento00001> johnw1: guess they just halted the burning until the new one
[06:08] <Jento00001> is there any screenshots of it?
[06:09] <arbeck> mebaran151: i could whip up something similar for iso images, but i'm unsure of how to handle burning regular data to cd... since nautilus, cdrecord and gnomebaker all don't work i figure there is something wrong somewhere in my setup that is effecting all of them
[06:09] <johnwl> I don't think look and feel will change much at all
[06:09] <mebaran151> ywah
[06:09] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:09] <Jeezis> well, apparently i'm using warty warthog 4.10
[06:09] <mebaran151> it is interesting cdrao works
[06:09] <mebaran151> usually that is what breaks for me
[06:09] <Jento00001> john: can anyone send me screen shots of there ubuntu? :)
[06:09] <Jeezis> so does anyone know the kernel version for warty 4.10?
[06:10] <mebaran151> 2.6.8 I think
[06:10] <mebaran151> it is a 2.6 kernel
[06:10] <johnwl> Ubuntu Screenshots: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/
[06:10] <Xenguy> Jento00001: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/
[06:10] <Xenguy> hah
[06:11] <Jento00001> thanx
[06:11] <johnwl> of course the nice thing about linux is that anyone can create any desktop they want..regardless of distro
[06:11] <johnwl> but those will show you the base install
[06:11] <johnwl> and GNOME 2.8
[06:11] <Jento00001> all distros look all the same to me :S
[06:12] <johnwl> strange thing is i havent tweaked my look and feel at all...and i dont even like brown
[06:12] <Dr_willis> neat game i  got working --->  http://transcend.sourceforge.net/   but now i am SOOOO dizzy...
[06:12] <arbeck> Jento00001: well, as long as you are running either kde or gnome :P
[06:12] <Jeezis> does anyone have any words of wisdom for how to set up x to run on a sager 9860?
[06:12] <Jento00001> ubuntu on kde looks not bad
[06:13] <Jeezis> even if its just default configuration
[06:13] <Jeezis> i keep getting the error "no screens detected"
[06:13] <tims> meb: yeah it's 2.6.8-- those were what I was getting rid of earlier.. (I'm on hoary)
[06:13] <xed> Ubuntu uses Linux Ext3, yes?
[06:13] <Jento00001> tims: how did you get hoary, did come out yet
[06:13] <Jeezis> yes
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: is it actually "no screens found" ?
[06:14] <johnwl> Jeezis: http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?s=e5ce6dbde93ab585f9b1abf843842892&t=50624
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Jeezis,  that an nvidia right? i got a 6800
[06:14] <xed> Jeezis: Are you talking to me.. or Jento00001?
[06:14] <Jeezis> no, its an ati x800
[06:14] <Jeezis> anyone in general :p
[06:14] <Dr_willis> ati - ugh. :P
[06:14] <tims> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/
[06:14] <Dr_willis> that one of the new pciexpress cards?
[06:14] <xed> Jeezis: Ubuntu uses ext3 yes?
[06:14] <arbeck> thoreauputic: hey, I never did figure out how to get my refresh rate changed
[06:14] <Jeezis> yes, i heard that ati is a bastard
[06:15] <Jento00001> Jeezis: where is it!? omg i download warty for no reason
[06:15] <Jeezis> i have warty 4.10, sorry for the confusion Jento
[06:15] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: the debian solution for "no screens found" is  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86   (and say "no" to the framebuffer question)
[06:15] <Jento00001> oh :(>> lol
[06:15] <Jeezis> thanks thoreauputic
[06:16] <tims> jent look at my post above
[06:16] <Jeezis> i'll boot into ubuntu and get on in irssi if i have any problems
[06:16] <tims> keep in mind hoary is still "unstable" but I've found it works better for me
[06:16] <johnwl> ok im off to apt-get install cheeseburger
[06:17] <Jento00001> lol
[06:17] <johnwl> and fries
[06:17] <Jento00001> im going to burn warty
[06:17] <Amaranth> did someone say my name?
[06:17] <goldfish_> MY NAME
[06:17] <goldfish_> maybe
[06:18] <arbeck> anyone know how to change XF86Config-4 for a new monitor?
[06:18] <tims> jent: if you install warty, it's easy to update to hoary later on
[06:18] <Jento00001> tims: how?
[06:19] <tims> hoary upgrade from warty: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6473.html
[06:19] <thoreauputic> arbeck: if you have a knoppix disc or other live cd thet "works" with it, copy the config over from that
[06:20] <arbeck> thoreauputic: why didn't i think of that... you're a mother fucking genius!
[06:20] <thoreauputic> arbeck: hmm... not really a genius at mother fucking, no
[06:20] <thoreauputic> ;)
[06:20] <Jento00001> when is hoary coming?
[06:21] <tims> probably a month or so
[06:22] <maccorin> wtf?
[06:22] <maccorin> i installed crossover office, and now all my apps are missing from the gnome menu
[06:22] <maccorin> arrrg
[06:22] <jsgotangco> gimme a dime wherever i see the words wtf and rtfm
[06:22] <johnwl> when are gentle gorilla and wacky walrus coming out? sry off to get food...
[06:23] <Dr_willis> When's "Bloated bassethound" due?
[06:23] <johnwl> somebody should start a name thread on the boards
[06:23] <arbeck> thoreauputic: of course this means i have to reboot...
[06:23] <thoreauputic> arbeck: well, yes it does
[06:23] <jsgotangco> how about the picky platypus
[06:23] <arbeck> Jento00001: hoary is out... it's just not official yet
[06:24] <Torak> heyas. i installed ubuntu off the cover cd of linux user, but all the dev libs don't seem to be installed and/or not on the cd. does this sound normal?
[06:25] <maccorin> anyone know how i can get my menu's back in gnome?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> wasn't Bloated Bassethound" the secret code name for windows XP ?
[06:25] <jsgotangco> but then you forgot the Ubuntu naming pattern
[06:25] <thoreauputic> maccorin:  killall gnome-panel sometimes works
[06:25] <jsgotangco> there's always the word "hog"
[06:25] <Dr_willis> that was "Lepperous Lemming"
[06:25] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:26] <thoreauputic> haha
[06:26] <jsgotangco> Grumpy Groundhog
[06:26] <jsgotangco> Warty Warthog
[06:26] <maccorin> thoreauputic, k
[06:26] <jsgotangco> Hoary Hedgehog
[06:26] <johnwl> Oprah Winfrey..wait
[06:27] <maccorin> thoreauputic: worked, ty
[06:27] <Jeezis> hello all
[06:27] <thoreauputic> maccorin: np
[06:27] <tims> ok just one question: What's up with the brown anyway?
[06:27] <Jeezis> i just tried to start x and i got this fatal error :no screens found
[06:27] <thoreauputic> maccorin: shouldn't really be necessary though - gnome is a bit frail
[06:27] <Jeezis> i tried X -configure as root and it says that configuration failed
[06:28] <Jeezis> any words of wisdom?
[06:28] <crimsun> you should be using ,,sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86''
[06:28] <maccorin> thoreauputic: yea, i was just worried that it had erased my config files
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: fif you run the command i gave you exactly as written?
[06:28] <maccorin> crossover i mean
[06:28] <Nekohayo> hi, I'd like to be able to manually edit the mouse's speed. Any idea where the conf resides? The GUI seems bugged, can't get it off the slow side
[06:28] <maccorin> cause it's not in apt
[06:28] <Jeezis> i also tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[06:29] <Jeezis> it said the package wasnt installed
[06:29] <crimsun> Nekohayo: look at xset(1x)
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: umm
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: not possible on warty
[06:29] <Jeezis> i didnt think so either
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: you must have xserver-xfree86
[06:29] <Jeezis> i'll brb let me make sure
[06:29] <Nekohayo> crimsun, is this a file or a command? thanks for the quick reply
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: what does apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86 have to say on the subject?
[06:30] <crimsun> Nekohayo: man xset
[06:31] <Burgundavia> anybody else having issues with cupsys-driver-gimpprint?
[06:31] <panickedthumb> Hey, I'm trying to install KDE 3.4 using Konstruct. I know this isn't supported, but I can't compile part of it because I get this error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2eea): In function `glXGetMscRateOML':: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'
[06:31] <Nekohayo> crimsun, thanks
[06:31] <panickedthumb> I think it may be related to the version of libGL.a that installs with hoary
[06:31] <Jeezis> yup, it said that xserver-xfree86 is not installed
[06:31] <XposerX> any good wallpaper packages you guys know about?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: did you do an "expert" or "custom" install?
[06:32] <daniels> panickedthumb: yeah, you need to link with -lXxf86vm.  i need to fix that one.
[06:32] <Jeezis> i dont believe so
[06:32] <Jeezis> it tries to start x every time i reboot and it just messes up
[06:33] <thoreauputic> well, try sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and see what happens
[06:33] <panickedthumb> daniels, ooh ooh tell me how ;)
[06:33] <panickedthumb> I haven't linked in ages, I've forgotten. hehe
[06:33] <drmodding> somebody help please i install ubuntu on a pc and when im entry at gdm i hear a bump bump loop sound and the gnome get's frezee and i can't begin my sesion
[06:33] <daniels> panickedthumb: well, the proper fix involves patching xorg's Makefiles; the hacky fix would involve editing the Makefile.am of the library you're trying to link and putting -lXxf86vm in the _LDADD section
[06:33] <Jeezis> ok, thanks thorea
[06:33] <Jeezis> brb
[06:34] <panickedthumb> daniels: so I need to recompile libGL.so then?
[06:34] <daniels> panickedthumb: well, to fix it properly :)
[06:35] <Jeezis> ok, it says that the package is a virtual package provided by xserver-xorg
[06:36] <xed> Okay so I'm getting rid of windows
[06:36] <Jeezis> and that i need to explicitly select one to install
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: umm - are you on warty or hoary?  cat /etc/issue to find out
[06:36] <Jeezis> type "cat /etc/issue" correct?
[06:36] <tims> xposer: I'm enjoying my march ubuntu wallpaper :)
[06:37] <panickedthumb> daniels: OK  to fix it un-properly, how would I do that? I'm not sure what library I'm trying to link here.
[06:37] <jdub> thoreauputic: (/etc/lsb-release is good too)
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: correct
[06:37] <Jeezis> ok
[06:37] <Jeezis> will do
[06:37] <thoreauputic> jdub: ah - thanks :)
[06:37] <CodyC> anyone using Hoary that has done a d-i preseed?
[06:37] <F-Lelo> what is the difference of hoary to the other?!
[06:38] <Jeezis> ok, i have hoary hedgehog v5.04
[06:38] <panickedthumb> daniels: I'll try to catch you later, I'm off to bed. Night!
[06:38] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: OK in that case
[06:38] <xed> Jeezis: Do you hate pagans?
[06:39] <Jeezis> xed: i love pagans
[06:39] <Jeezis> i'm an agnostic myself ;)
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[06:39] <thoreauputic> and say NO to the framebuffer question
[06:39] <Jeezis> will do thoreauputic
[06:39] <Jeezis> brb
[06:40] <xed> Jeezis: I thought you would've hated pagans...
[06:41] <xed> You know.. gun them down with your M4 and whatnot..
[06:41] <xed> Guess not, huh?
[06:41] <Nekohayo> curiosity thing, is it a gnome 2.9 feature that it has no icons in the gnome menu?
[06:42] <Jento00001> did hoary come out yet/
[06:42] <Nekohayo> Jento00001, I'm on hoary, but it's not official yet
[06:42] <crimsun> Jento00001: no
[06:42] <Nekohayo> Jento00001, 5.04 is the version number, so 2005 04
[06:43] <daniels> panickedthumb: night, sorry I couldn't be of more help -- will try to fix it soon
[06:46] <Jeezis> well, i thought i was getting somewhere
[06:46] <nix000> is there a command to disable a certain service in /etc/init.d ?
[06:46] <tga> nix000: update-rc.d
[06:46] <Jeezis> i went through the whole configure sequence and went off to start x
[06:46] <rommerUB> can anyone reccommend a theme for gnome
[06:47] <Jeezis> aaaaaaaaand i got the same error "fatal error: no screens found"
[06:47] <tga> nix000: update-rc.d -f certain_service remove
[06:47] <Jeezis> i'm on a laptop if that makes any difference
[06:47] <Jeezis> thorea?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: at this point you need to  look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and try to figure out what's happening
[06:48] <Jeezis> ok
[06:48] <nix000> tga:  thank you
[06:48] <tga> nix000: np
[06:48] <thoreauputic> but it ain't looking good
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: you said no to the framebuffer?
[06:49] <Jeezis> yes, i said no to the frambuffer
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: and accepted all the other defaults?
[06:49] <Jeezis> yes, except for a few
[06:49] <arbeck> thoreauputic: you are a mother fucking genius :P
[06:49] <thoreauputic> or did you mess with other stuff..?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> arbeck: it worked?
[06:50] <Jeezis> i didnt really mess with anything except which video modes it could run in
[06:50] <Jeezis> and the amount of video memory
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: hmm
[06:50] <Jeezis> 256000 kb is 256 mb correct?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> well, look at the log, antway
[06:51] <thoreauputic> *anyway
[06:51] <Jeezis> ok
[06:51] <Jeezis> brb
[06:51] <Jeezis> what was the log address?
[06:51] <thoreauputic>  /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[06:51] <Jeezis> thanks
[06:53] <arbeck> thoreauputic: yep... i took the monitor section out of my xf86config-4 after booting into knoppix and pasted it into my ubuntu and now we're all kosher
[06:53] <tga> X -configure Just Works for me
[06:54] <thoreauputic> tga: lucky you ;-)
[06:54] <thoreauputic> gotta go - back later
[06:54] <tga> I'll call myself lucky when I get acceleration working on this Radeon 320M
[06:55] <arbeck> i even got gnomebaker working again... now i just need nautilus to work
[06:56] <arbeck> and my usb hd to work...
[06:57] <Jeezis> ok, i think i found the problem
[06:57] <Frodo> lol I downloaded "kubuntu" and got gnome only...
[06:57] <Jeezis> first of all, the log file was Xorg.0.log
[06:57] <Jeezis> but, i think it cant detect my video card
[06:58] <Jeezis> i read through the log file and everything is going fine until it trys to find the driver for my X800
[06:58] <erik> hey, I'm about to buy an Apple laptop.  ibook or powerbook, for ubuntu?
[06:58] <Jeezis> apparently there isnt one, so it goes "not found" then i get the "fatal error: no screens found"
[06:58] <erik> is there any reason the ATi or nvidia cards are preferred?
[06:59] <Frodo> Can anyone explain why kde is not in the supposedly kde branch of ubuntu?  I downloaded it right from the link at the top of this page
[06:59] <Jeezis> nvidia are easier
[06:59] <arbeck> erik: i think the ibook's are kind of cheap feeling... but the powerbooks are expensive...
[06:59] <arbeck> erik: of course i'm buying a mac mini so what do i know
[06:59] <erik> arbeck: the pbook isn't more expensive once you factor in the ram and hdd and cpu upgrade, for the 12"
[06:59] <Jeezis> thorea?
[06:59] <erik> Jeezis: there isn't accelerated 3d nvidia driver support on ppc, is there?
[07:00] <Jeezis> hmm, well i dont know about macs...there is a driver for pc hardware
[07:00] <Jeezis> i cant get ubuntu to recognize my x800 on my laptop
[07:00] <arbeck> erik: i'm sure there is a driver... check out yellow dog linux and see what they say
[07:01] <mdz> Frodo: there are four Kubuntu CD images available at present; which one did you try?
[07:01] <arbeck> erik: linus runs a mac, so i imagine there's some support
[07:01] <Jeezis> thoreaputic you still here?
[07:01] <erik> heh
[07:02] <Jeezis> ok, any veteran in here that knows how to get ubuntu to recognize my ATI X800?
[07:02] <Frodo> mdz: the first on the list...
[07:03] <mdz> Frodo: filename?
[07:03] <jdub> mdz: (erk, thanks)
[07:04] <Jeezis> ok, any veteran in here that knows how to get ubuntu to recognize my ATI X800?
[07:04] <Frodo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20050303.1/hoary-install-i386.iso
[07:04] <Jeezis> or at least let me boot into Xorg with no 3d acceleration and stuff
[07:04] <arbeck> Jeezis: have you tried any other distro's? knoppix, etc?
[07:04] <Frodo> and all it is is gnome
[07:05] <Jeezis> i have tried mandrake 10.0 and 10.1, and Debian Sarge
[07:05] <Jeezis> and now ubuntu
[07:05] <mdz> Frodo: that image definitely has KDE on it, and not GNOME
[07:05] <Jeezis> does knoppix have X800 support?
[07:05] <mdz> Frodo: check the md5sum and make sure you have the file that you expect to have
[07:06] <arbeck> Jeezis: I'd try the knoppix live cd and see if it works... are you using hoary or warty?
[07:06] <Jeezis> hoary 5.04
[07:06] <Jeezis> but the live cd isnt a permanent installation is it?
[07:07] <arbeck> Jeezis: it can be made into one
[07:07] <Jeezis> ok
[07:07] <Jeezis> well, i'll go download it
[07:08] <Jento00001> burning ...
[07:09] <Jento00001> how long and how hard will the installation be?>
[07:10] <tga> |<---->| this long
[07:10] <Jento00001> anyone here?
[07:10] <Jento00001> lol
[07:10] <OrangeSlice> it will take 10 minutes, if you know what you're doing
[07:10] <OrangeSlice> :p
[07:10] <Jento00001> what if your a newb?
[07:10] <rommerUB> the installation is very easy
[07:10] <rommerUB> im a newb
[07:10] <tga> it will take about 5 if you don't
[07:10] <OrangeSlice> or 6 hours if you screw something up and have to redo it many times
[07:10] <OrangeSlice> bwaha
[07:10] <tga> before you fsck up your machine that is
[07:10] <Jento00001> -_
[07:11] <rommerUB> i had windows xp on one partition
[07:11] <Jento00001> ^_-
[07:11] <rommerUB> and it installed perfectly
[07:11] <Jento00001> ok
[07:11] <rommerUB> with the grub dual boot loader fing
[07:11] <Jento00001> do you use fdisk for partitioning
[07:11] <OrangeSlice> hehe, no, I had almost no experience when I first installed ubuntu and it was easy
[07:11] <Jento00001> wow
[07:11] <Xenguy> Jento00001: cfdisk is an alternative
[07:12] <tga> Jento00001: only if you're a masochist
[07:12] <Jento00001> is there a GUI looking partitioning?
[07:12] <Xenguy> Jento00001: perhaps in the future
[07:12] <Myrtti> sort of
[07:12] <johnwl> anybody want gmail invites?
[07:12] <tga> cfdisk and parted have text based interfaces
[07:12] <arbeck> Jento00001: QTparted
[07:12] <Xenguy> johnwl: not me
[07:12] <Myrtti> johnwl: would you like to get my 50?
[07:12] <johnwl> lol
[07:12] <tga> arbeck: yeah, you can run it through aalib
[07:13] <rommerUB> with xmms how can i access a smb network share?
[07:13] <rattboi> how do I find the amount of free space on my hd?
[07:13] <Myrtti> no, seriously, try gmail invite spooler
[07:13] <Xenguy> rattboi: df -h
[07:13] <tga> rommerUB: you mount samba shares on directories
[07:13] <tga> rommerUB: after that they're like a local filesystem
[07:13] <rommerUB> ok
[07:13] <Xenguy> rattboi: df = disk free
[07:13] <rommerUB> i thought i would have to do that
[07:14] <tga> smbmount //foo/bar /mnt/foobar -o umask=0
[07:14] <tga> or something
[07:14] <Jento00001> -h stands for?
[07:14] <Myrtti> no, better yet, the best solution is not to give any of the invites
[07:14] <tga> Jento00001: -human
[07:14] <Xenguy> Jento00001: 'human-readable'  ;-)
[07:14] <Myrtti> the more you give away, the more they give you
[07:14] <tga> Jento00001: try it without the -h and see if you like it
[07:14] <Jento00001> lol
[07:14] <rommerUB> tga: how would i mount a share with samba?
[07:15] <Jento00001> my comps so slow can linux hold a 300 MHZ 360 RAM?
[07:15] <tga> Jento00001: yes
[07:15] <Xenguy> Jento00001: definitely
[07:15] <goldfish_> lol
[07:15] <goldfish_> loads
[07:15] <Jento00001> Xenguy: :P
[07:15] <tga> rommerUB: with smbmount, see above
[07:16] <johnwl> you might want to run a slimmed down gui but yeah
[07:16] <Jento00001> whats a powerful thing you can do on linux?
[07:16] <johnwl> run amazon.com or google?
[07:16] <tga> Jento00001: watch pr0n
[07:16] <Jento00001> tga::P
[07:16] <johnwl> google runs redhat
[07:16] <Xenguy> Jento00001: that is a question from a blind man to a 1-eyed man :-)
[07:16] <Jento00001> tga: your a pervert
[07:16] <rommerUB> ok
[07:17] <tga> Jento00001: yeah, I have a penguin fetish
[07:17] <Xenguy> heh
[07:17] <johnwl> the top supercomputers in the world are linux..top 2 or 3
[07:17] <Jento00001> tga: what with the screen?
[07:17] <Jento00001> 1 windows?
[07:17] <Xenguy> ?
[07:17] <rommerUB> smbmount command not found?
[07:18] <Jento00001> im going to install ubuntu now...
[07:18] <goldfish_> Google doesnt run redhat.
[07:18] <Jento00001> how much room does ubuntu take?
[07:18] <Jento00001> if u make a full installation
[07:19] <johnwl> google+red hat: http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050303GoogleOffersInsideLookAtOperations.html
[07:19] <Xenguy> Jento00001: that is answered on the web site IIRC
[07:19] <johnwl> so youre willing to contradict one of googles chief architects?
[07:19] <out_of_focus> has anybody here installed Ubuntu on a PPC?
[07:19] <Fr0d0> lol that plain sucks...the way the top of this room wrote the url for kubuntu is ambiguous.  I got array 6 which I dont need...what a waste of friggin time...
[07:19] <Myrtti> time to play tuxracer -->
[07:19] <Jento00001> lol
[07:19] <Jento00001> that games mad
[07:19] <tga> Jento00001: Ubuntu drops a bunch of Gnome crap on your machine
[07:19] <Xenguy> rommerUB: try -> apt-get install smbfs
[07:20] <Jento00001> tga: how much room in total 1 gig?
[07:20] <rommerUB> hmm ok
[07:20] <tga> I don't really know
[07:20] <out_of_focus> Ubuntu takes up about 1.5GB installed, doesn't it?
[07:20] <out_of_focus> i remember reading that
[07:20] <Jento00001> thats not bad
[07:20] <tga> if you're really tight on space go with Debian and only install what you need
[07:20] <Xenguy> out_of_focus: more, AFAIK
[07:21] <tga> like X and openbox or something
[07:21] <goldfish_> johnwl: It's lies.
[07:21] <johnwl> haha ok
[07:21] <Jento00001> tga: i only have 4 gigs of room for linux
[07:21] <Xenguy> Jento00001: that's do-able
[07:21] <|QuaD->  4 gigs???
[07:21] <johnwl> maybe they are running Amiga :p
[07:21] <|QuaD-> thats a small hd
[07:22] <Xenguy> |QuaD-: yes, but it can work with linux :-)
[07:22] <Fr0d0> Ubuntu will easily eat 4 gigs and cry for more...it is hard to keep it lean
[07:22] <tga> Jento00001: thing is you probably won't be running Gnome on that old machine of yours anyway
[07:22] <tga> personally I'
[07:22] <out_of_focus> hard drives are cheap nowadays
[07:22] <tga> personally I'd go with a small Debian install
[07:22] <Fr0d0> Especially if you do the updates
[07:22] <johnwl> i bought a 160gb harddrive to install Ubuntu on..i have a little room left :)
[07:22] <Myrtti> that game is too intense for me
[07:22] <jsgotangco> bleah i only run 6gb for ubuntu
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> are kubuntu live cds avialable ?
[07:23] <johnwl> yep
[07:23] <Myrtti> you know what, I play with Ubuntu more games than I played with Windows
[07:23] <jsgotangco> actually 5.0GB
[07:23] <|QuaD-> Xenguy: it can, but why wouldn't one just put ubuntu on the WHOLE hd
[07:23] <|QuaD-> or give windows 5 GB
[07:23] <johnwl> oh wait..dunno about kubuntu
[07:23] <Fr0d0> I installed Ubuntu yesterday and it is already using 4 gigs and I have added nothing
[07:23] <jsgotangco> 4GB?
[07:23] <jsgotangco> wtf
[07:23] <Xenguy> |QuaD-: HD space is cheap enough - true
[07:23] <|QuaD-> Xenguy: no need to have windows
[07:23] <out_of_focus> I'm going to replace Windows with Ubuntu on my PC soon
[07:23] <Fr0d0> if you do the updates, Ubuntu grows real quick
[07:24] <Xenguy> |QuaD-: ideally :-)
[07:24] <rommerUB> tga: is there an easy way to mount the shares, as i use them alot
[07:24] <jsgotangco> well just remove the old updates
[07:24] <|QuaD-> out_of_focus: soon=tonight?!?
[07:24] <jsgotangco> dont keep em
[07:24] <out_of_focus> no.
[07:24] <tga> rommerUB: you stick them into /etc/fstab and they get mounted at boot
[07:24] <out_of_focus> not that soon!
[07:24] <rommerUB> ok thanks
[07:24] <out_of_focus> i think i'm going to do a test install on an old 10GB hd just to see how everything runs
[07:25] <|QuaD-> out_of_focus: it will run great :)
[07:25] <johnwl> thats more than enough room for a test
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> does kubuntu live cd have kde 3.3 or 3.4 ?
[07:25] <jsgotangco> i use a different partition for /home/blah so i can keep my install as clean as possible
[07:25] <out_of_focus> i'm on my mac right now, but on my pc i'm really just fed up with windows
[07:25] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: 3.3
[07:25] <|QuaD-> 3.4 isn't even on non live cd
[07:25] <out_of_focus> between the random application crashes, random reboots, bsod..
[07:25] <|QuaD-> 3.4 is still beta
[07:26] <Fr0d0> Nevertheless, out of 8 Linux distros I currently use...Ubuntu is one of my favorites, except that it likes to break and need reinstalling frequently
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: oh, :(
[07:26] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: name a distro that has 3.4?
[07:26] <out_of_focus> it needs reinstalling frequently??
[07:26] <jsgotangco> huh?
[07:26] <tritium> Fr0d0, it shouldn't need re-installing.  configuring, perhaps, but not re-installing
[07:27] <jsgotangco> ubuntu breaks easily?
[07:27] <|QuaD-> jsgotangco: nope
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: klax
[07:27] <Fr0d0> Hoary has been Linux hell for me
[07:27] <tga> jsgotangco: if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> jsgotangco: never broken for me
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> Fr0d0: then use warty and wait for stable release
[07:27] <jsgotangco> me either
[07:27] <out_of_focus> hoary is a buggy preview release
[07:27] <jsgotangco> hoary was buggy so i reverted
[07:27] <tritium> but it's not that buggy ;)
[07:27] <out_of_focus> it shouldn't be expected to be stable
[07:28] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:28] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: a non live cd
[07:28] <rommerUB> tga: would i add them to /etc/fstab like -> //compname/share /home/user/mnt/share ?
[07:28] <johnwl> Ubunut is chocolate covered debian
[07:28] <johnwl> Ubuntu
[07:28] <out_of_focus> haha
[07:28] <Fr0d0> Im using Hoary now...it worked better updating from Warty rather than the cd iso
[07:28] <|QuaD-> tga: you want to go back to debian? how come?
[07:28] <tga> rommerUB: follow the model of the other lines.. //comp/share /mnt/share 0 0 umask=0
[07:28] <jsgotangco> ill just go hoary when its final
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: none. :) suse packages are available, thoguh
[07:29] <tga> rommerUB: the umask=0 will make the share available read/write for all users
[07:29] <johnwl> half the fun of linux is trying new distros..i wanna get a cheap pc just for that lol
[07:29] <rommerUB> ok thanks
[07:29] <rommerUB> ill give it a go
[07:29] <Fr0d0> Ubuntu isn't debian because debian developers havent got the sense to make their distro more user friendly
[07:29] <jsgotangco> me too i do that on weekends
[07:29] <out_of_focus> then buy one of those bargain pcs from outpost.com / fry's.
[07:29] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: Riddell has test 3.4 packages out...not official yet thoguh
[07:29] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: i like debian :)
[07:30] <jsgotangco> a celeron PC would suffice
[07:30] <tga> |QuaD-: just used to it I guess, I haven't found much in Ubuntu other than the brown Gnome you can't refuse
[07:30] <johnwl> yeah im probably gonna pick up a frys cheapo
[07:30] <Fr0d0> Quad,.good for you, I like Ubuntu
[07:30] <jsgotangco> or the ones that run VIA
[07:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:30] <tga> or vmware
[07:30] <|QuaD-> tga: thats basically all it is :)
[07:30] <out_of_focus> i saw one with linspire in the ad last friday for $199
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: u installed Kubuntu using the install / live cd ?
[07:30] <jsgotangco> whoa
[07:31] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: nope, apt-get install kde
[07:31] <|QuaD-> then took off what i didn't want
[07:31] <Zotnix> |QuaD-, they do that?
[07:31] <johnwl> yeah and i could try out linspire for 5 minutes before installing something else muhaha
[07:31] <tga> I like it how vmware can boot stuff directly off the other half of the drive now
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: and using GNOME too ?
[07:31] <|QuaD-> Zotnix: the ydid :)
[07:31] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: nope.... though i need gtk
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> how do i move ubuntu from /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdcX ?
[07:31] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: kubuntu wasn't available when i put kde on
[07:31] <johnwl> Ubuntu looks like someone pooed on it
[07:32] <out_of_focus> then change your theme
[07:32] <jsgotangco> lol because its brown?
[07:32] <johnwl> nah its growing on me
[07:32] <Fr0d0> Quad: give me a debian that has the features of Ubuntu and I would agree with you, but debian is behind trying to reinvent the wheel while Mepis, Ubuntu, Knoppix is using their foundation to make real distros
[07:32] <tga> da_bon_bon: are the partitions the same size?
[07:32] <Zotnix> |QuaD-, they seem to give out licenses a lot to regular people.
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: ok, so will u upgrade to 3.4 ??
[07:32] <tga> Fr0d0: ubuntu _is_ debian
[07:32] <johnwl> Ubuntu is the only brown thing ive ever liked
[07:32] <jsgotangco> Mepis is good too
[07:32] <Zotnix> I guess their revenue comes from big companies.
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> tga: yes, i will make it that if needed
[07:32] <out_of_focus> isn't Mepis like Ubuntu's "big competition"?
[07:32] <tga> da_bon_bon: you could just go dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda2
[07:32] <jsgotangco> sort of
[07:33] <Fr0d0> Ubuntu is not debian, go to debian room and say what you just said, and they will crucify you
[07:33] <helio7> hello all; does anyone have any recommendations for a linux-friendly pcmcia wifi card for my laptop?  I've heard good things about orinoco and prism chipsets, but was thinking of trying to find one that was "G" band... anyone using such a thing care to report about it?
[07:33] <tga> da_bon_bon: do that off a livecd though
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: what features????
[07:33] <Zotnix> I tried out VMWare 5 recently. License wore off.
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> tga: but will that move effectively ?? config and breakage problem!?
[07:33] <johnwl> Regardless of what the debian folks say Unbuntu is based on debian
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Zotnix: really? interesting
[07:33] <|QuaD-> da_bon_bon: yeah
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Zotnix: this is a non expiring license
[07:33] <Zotnix> Was a trial version.
[07:33] <jsgotangco> helio7: my Dlink DWL-G650+ works in Ubuntu but using Ndiswrapper
[07:33] <|QuaD-> Zotnix: this is a full version :)
[07:33] <Fr0d0> duh...based on debian IS NOT FRIGGIN DEBIAN
[07:33] <tga> da_bon_bon: after you move it mount it end change /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:34] <jsgotangco> it has debian roots
[07:34] <viper12> helio7, on the inexpensive side....I'm using the netgear wifi 'g' (54meg wifi) card.........works like a charm. (without ndis).
[07:34] <johnwl> whatever
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> tga: have u tried it yourself ?
[07:34] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: what features does debian not have?
[07:34] <tga> da_bon_bon: I can't think of any other places that directly mention the partition
[07:34] <out_of_focus> Ubuntu is debian that actually updated.
[07:34] <Zotnix> Well, the trial version IS the full version. It just doesn't let you start a virtual machine after 30 days
[07:34] <jsgotangco> bleeding edge debian
[07:34] <out_of_focus> the last major release of Debian was in 2002!
[07:34] <tga> da_bon_bon: I never needed to, but I'd expect it to work
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> tga: cant i resize ext3 using any tools ?
[07:34] <helio7> jsgotangco: I've read about using Ndiswrapper is there any con to it besides the setup time?  viper12: what's the model number on that netgear card you have?
[07:35] <johnwl> Just wait until Ubuntu swallows debian..woo that will piss them off
[07:35] <viper12> what some people don't realize is that Debian is TOO updated....its called the "sid" branch, and this is what ubuntu is based on.
[07:35] <tga> da_bon_bon: parted/qtparted might do it but there's always a chance you'll trash the partition
[07:35] <out_of_focus> haha
[07:35] <Fr0d0> If I use cubism (who was developed by Picasso) do I become Picasso too?
[07:35] <|QuaD-> viper12: EXACTLY, ubuntu is basically sid
[07:35] <tga> erm?
[07:35] <|QuaD-> with a few small changes
[07:35] <jsgotangco> helio7: Ndiswrapper isn't that complicated really
[07:35] <tga> hoary is basically sid, warty is basically sarge
[07:35] <viper12> helio7, I'm using the wg311 card....netgear has a newer 'rev' of that card (same model number) that performs better, but I'm happy with this one as is.
[07:36] <|QuaD-> tga: kinda, warty is like and old sid but newer than sarge
[07:36] <Fr0d0> just because Ubuntu uses the same foundation doesnt make it Debian...
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> tga: qtparted has trashed my disk more than once! qtparted sucks!
[07:36] <helio7> viper12 & jsgotangco thanks so much
[07:36] <jsgotangco> helio7: but you would be better off getting prism chipset cards because they are natively supported
[07:36] <tga> da_bon_bon: same here :)
[07:36] <viper12> np helio.
[07:36] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: what is debian missing that ubuntu has?
[07:36] <|QuaD-> or mepis has?
[07:36] <out_of_focus> has anybody here tried Ubuntu on a PowerPC machine?
[07:36] <jsgotangco> the poo color
[07:36] <viper12> jsgo......any card that DOESNT need ndiswrapper is 'natively' supported.
[07:36] <tga> |QuaD-: cool chick on the gdm theme
[07:36] <johnwl> Ubuntu on debian: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[07:36] <jsgotangco> YAHHH
[07:36] <|QuaD-> tga: yeah... haha
[07:37] <johnwl> Ubuntpoo
[07:37] <Fr0d0> Quad, a sane way of putting all the pieces together
[07:37] <jsgotangco> who is the cool chick anyway
[07:37] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: yes
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> anyone has tried gparted ?
[07:37] <viper12> must be another slow 'patch' day judging from this convo.
[07:37] <jsgotangco> how come we dont see wiki entries of them at all
[07:37] <viper12> da-bon...I use gparted...really like it.
[07:37] <out_of_focus> how does it run on PPC compared to x86?
[07:37] <tga> da_bon_bon: I believe qtparted and gparted are just frontends to the same thing
[07:37] <|QuaD-> Fr0d0: a. thats not a feature, that is included packages. b. you can get debian with what you want
[07:38] <viper12> I tried qtparted, and found the interface really bugged.  the gparted is just 'cleaner'.
[07:38] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: very well, at least here on an iBook G4 768MB RAM
[07:38] <out_of_focus> can i use the same packages on the ppc version as the x86 one uses?
[07:38] <tga> I don't really see the point of Ubuntu, I believe the work should have went into Debian
[07:38] <thoreauputic> more or less, yes
[07:38] <Fr0d0> you can put Ubuntu on what you want too...with about as much ease of configuring pure Debian
[07:38] <crimsun> there will remain inevitable comparisions between debian and ubuntu. let us just leave it at "ubuntu is based on debian."
[07:38] <|QuaD-> ok ignorant people like Fr0d0 make me mad so i am going to bed
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> tga: no, qtparted uses a library if its own - whereas gparted doesnt
[07:38] <|QuaD-> night all
[07:38] <tga> night |QuaD-
[07:38] <Echylo> gnight
[07:39] <Fr0d0> ? Igonorant? you come praising Debian over Ubuntu in an Ubuntu room and you call me ignorant??
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> |QuaD-: night
[07:39] <jsgotangco> heh you still cant deny that ubuntu came from debian
[07:39] <out_of_focus> I'm currently on a BLAZING 350Mhz G4 with 384MB of RAM..
[07:39] <Echylo> hey hey
[07:39] <Echylo> join #war
[07:39] <jsgotangco> only shows how GOOD debian is
[07:39] <thoreauputic> guys... #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:39] <viper12> tga? huh? the point?  the point is that  any distro has its own 'focus' and goals.  ubuntu wanted to do somethings differently than the debian 'main'....and their work and community is showing up beautifully.
[07:39] <jsgotangco> #ubuntu-war
[07:39] <Echylo> jup
[07:39] <goldfish_> Ubuntu is based on debian jsgotangco.
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: bob2 started it
[07:39] <johnwl> thats the beauty of open source
[07:39] <Fr0d0> Go to Debian room then
[07:40] <jsgotangco> I KNOW
[07:40] <tga> viper12: thing is I don't see much difference at the moment
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[07:40] <tga> it might just branch off later, like Mandrake vs RedHat or something
[07:40] <out_of_focus> what would you say is Ubuntu's biggest weakness?
[07:40] <jsgotangco> :D
[07:40] <viper12> I certainly do......from community differences, to support, to fast updates and fixes. shrugs.
[07:40] <jsgotangco> the poo color?
[07:40] <out_of_focus> because all distros have some sort of weakness
[07:40] <tga> out_of_focus: the colour?
[07:40] <helio7> viper12 did you say your wg311 is pcmcia or pci? laptop or desktop?
[07:40] <out_of_focus> haha
[07:41] <bob2> please stay on-topic, guys
[07:41] <johnwl> that shirtless guy on the homepage
[07:41] <Zotnix> out_of_focus, lack of "configuration" tools.
[07:41] <hayden> is mplayer available from apt-get
[07:41] <bob2> or daniels will come in
[07:41] <bob2> hayden: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:41] <jsgotangco> shirtless guy lol
[07:41] <viper12> the wg311 is a pci based wifi card.  are you looking for laptop wifi?
[07:41] <tga> it's all on topic bob2
[07:41] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: well, I'd be happier if it added entries to the menu  better ...
[07:41] <viper12> hayden it is.......if you turn on universe/multiverse in the repos.
[07:41] <johnwl> the installer needs some work..partitioning throws a lot of ppl off
[07:41] <helio7> viper12 yes laptop wifi is what I'm looking for
[07:41] <bob2> no, this sounds an awful lot like trolling
[07:42] <tga> at least we're trolling on topic
[07:42] <Fr0d0> I was able to make a menu editor with php from delltony's forum entry and it works great
[07:42] <out_of_focus> how long does it take to install Ubuntu?
[07:42] <weas3661> can anyone here help a newbie...just have one question..
[07:42] <Echylo> 1 hour on a P2
[07:42] <goldfish_> weas3661: ask away
[07:42] <viper12> I'm a big netgear fan, so a lil' biased, so other than a specific model number ( i don't know it) the 'g' pcmcia card should work just fine. (no issues of any break nature in the forums regarding them.)
[07:42] <weas3661> out of focus...just did an install...not too long
[07:42] <helio7> viper12 it seems i *just* read a great review of a netgear pcmcia wifi card that actually advertises as "linux friendly" but can't find it atm
[07:42] <Zotnix> out_of_focus, not long. Here it took 30 minutes.
[07:42] <Zotnix> 1.13 GHz AMD though.
[07:42] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: it's quick
[07:42] <Fr0d0> The install of Ubuntu is about 30 minutes on an AMD 2400+ puter
[07:42] <out_of_focus> oh goodie then
[07:43] <weas3661> my mouse is NOT working with ubuntu...it won't move at all
[07:43] <tga> weas3661: what kind of mouse is it?
[07:43] <Echylo> why you need a mouse for?
[07:43] <weas3661> logitech wheel mouse
[07:43] <Echylo> :roll:
[07:43] <out_of_focus> i don't see how a mouse wouldn't work...
[07:43] <tga> weas3661: is it plugged in?
[07:43] <viper12> helio7........are you checking the www.netgear.com site?  products are pretty easy to locate on it.
[07:43] <weas3661> echylo...i'm a newbie...i tried sourcemage...but just wanted a desktop for now
[07:43] <Fr0d0> and the install is extremely intuitive and updates everything right away
[07:43] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: the default install just includes a basic set of apps - quite well chosen though
[07:43] <out_of_focus> try the mouse on another computer
[07:43] <weas3661> yes...it is plugged in...it works fine with windows
[07:44] <tga> weas3661: is it plugged in on PS2 or USB?
[07:44] <weas3661> so i'm thinking it's a driver problem...but i have no clue how to fix it
[07:44] <helio7> viper12 yeah thanks, I'm there now, was trying to actually locate 3rd party reviews from a linux pov, but yes, i have a tab open on netgear.com
[07:44] <out_of_focus> but things like Java and Flash need to be installed, right?
[07:44] <weas3661> it's plugged into a usb
[07:44] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: hardware issues are less likely on ppc, I'd say
[07:44] <viper12> My laptop usses the intel centrino 2100 'b' stuff natively and has worked with hoary and warty with no issues, so I'm not even looking for another one there. :)
[07:44] <out_of_focus> i used the LiveCd on my P4 system and it worked perfectly
[07:44] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: yes,, restricted formats...
[07:44] <johnwl> did you try unplugging the mouse and plugging it back in?
[07:45] <out_of_focus> but i'm waiting until i get a new mobo before i go and install ubuntu
[07:45] <weas3661> yep...tried that...tried plugging it into a different usb port as well, but that didn't work either
[07:45] <aristocrat> can anyone point to me from where "/bin2/sh" comes from?
[07:45] <moyogo> how does one change the keyboard layout for the whole system, not just the current user?
[07:45] <out_of_focus> my current mobo has 2 malfunctioned ram slots--they don't work correctly.
[07:45] <out_of_focus> only 1 of the ram slots works correctly
[07:45] <out_of_focus> so i can only have 256mb of ram
[07:45] <crimsun> aristocrat: no such link/file
[07:46] <aristocrat> well actually there is. initrd-tools uses this :S
[07:46] <out_of_focus> since the largest sticks i have are 256mb ones..
[07:46] <Fr0d0> I used Mepis for about 5 months and like it, but Ubuntu has overtaken Mepis in my opinion in many ways...speed is one of them
[07:46] <crimsun> aristocrat: if you mean "/bin/sh", that's provided by bash
[07:46] <aristocrat> nope, /bin2/sh which is used by init in initrd-tools
[07:46] <out_of_focus> I wonder how Doom 3 would run on Ubuntu...
[07:46] <tga> moyogo: you could try sticking `setxkbmap FOO` into a file sourced by all users, like /etc/profile
[07:47] <Fr0d0> With cedega, quite well...
[07:47] <weas3661> i just wish my mouse would work...that'd make me happy
[07:47] <out_of_focus> is cedega like wine?
[07:47] <viper12> reports on doom3 in the forums seem to have happy people. (with the emulators of course.)
[07:47] <Fr0d0> cedega is wine on steroids
[07:47] <thoreauputic> out_of_focus: yes, winex
[07:47] <crimsun> aristocrat: ah, I see, e.g., from /usr/share/initrd-tools/init
[07:48] <johnwl> weas2661: a thread on usb mouse issues - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9887&highlight=mouse
[07:48] <out_of_focus> because on the idsoftware site it said how to run doom 3 on linux by copying some files off the windows cd and such
[07:48] <Quarupt> does mplayer have like a bar or something with buttons?
[07:48] <weas3661> thank you
[07:48] <tga> weas3661: try to `cat /dev/input/mice` into a console and move your mouse, see if you get anything
[07:48] <out_of_focus> but it didn't sound like it was emulated
[07:48] <aristocrat> crimsun, right...that _exact_one
[07:48] <viper12> yes it has buttons and bars quarupt. (if you get the ui modules.)
[07:48] <stingaa> can someone help me with my usb wireless adapter
[07:48] <jsgotangco> hmm
[07:48] <Quarupt> whats the packages called?
[07:48] <Zotnix> Regarding mice, I had to enable DOS USB support in my BIOS.
[07:48] <tga> Quarupt: you can use gmplayer
[07:48] <Quarupt> thx
[07:49] <Fr0d0> I burned dvd on Ubuntu tonight, it did very well too, I used dvdbackup, wine, dvd shrink and k3b...it took about 40 minutes all together to rip 4.7 gigs
[07:49] <jsgotangco> bbl
[07:49] <Quarupt> You had to use wine?
[07:49] <Quarupt> theres no good dvd backup software for linux?
[07:49] <Fr0d0> you can rip without wine, but not shrink
[07:49] <stingaa> guess not
[07:49] <tga> you can probably shrink too
[07:49] <crimsun> aristocrat: see http://mail.plug.linux.org.au/pipermail/plug/2004-August/056102.html
[07:50] <rommerUB> why isnt firefox 1.0.1 available in apt-get
[07:50] <Zotnix> Also, if you notice you can't get full screen in videos on mplayer try changing vo=x11 to vo=xv in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[07:50] <tga> you can transcode dvds with vobcopy and mencoder
[07:50] <Fr0d0> tell me how and I will do it
[07:50] <Fr0d0> transcode sux
[07:50] <moyogo> tga: there's no clean way like base-config or something similar?
[07:50] <viper12> never had that prob zot
[07:50] <Quarupt> i want a good game to play
[07:50] <Quarupt> anything good packaged?
[07:50] <crimsun> nethack and its variants ;-)
[07:50] <tga> moyogo: I'm not sure moyogo
[07:50] <Fr0d0> Quarupt...armagetron...addictive online
[07:51] <johnwl> i play enemy territory..runs great on linux
[07:51] <viper12> what no topless women to watch in netmeeting tonight quarupt?  lmao
[07:51] <moyogo> tga: thanks anyway i'll keep looking
[07:51] <bob2> keep it clean, people
[07:51] <tga> enemy territory is fun for a while
[07:51] <Fr0d0> yes, only clean topless ladies
[07:51] <johnwl> i dunno ive been addicted since release..not sure why
[07:51] <viper12> keep what clean bob?
[07:51] <Quarupt> viper12, no, fucking netmeeting
[07:51] <tga> my laptop cured my addiction.. no 3D acceleration for now..
[07:51] <johnwl> that would do it
[07:52] <Fr0d0> Why TGA?
[07:52] <bob2> by "clean", I mean "above the level of 14 year old boys"
[07:52] <tga> why I have no 3D accel?
[07:52] <Quarupt> lmao
[07:52] <Fr0d0> Im 13
[07:52] <johnwl> can any man rise above that level?
[07:52] <Fr0d0> Yes
[07:52] <Quarupt> oh i need 3d accel?
[07:52] <Quarupt> damn ATI
[07:52] <tga> to play games? it's helpful..
[07:52] <Fr0d0> Ati is well supported in Ubuntu
[07:52] <viper12> If you are referring to my statement about topless women.......that was in reference to his miserable problems trying to get linux going with a webcam last night.
[07:53] <Quarupt> Fr0d0, no its not, theres no packaged 3d accel
[07:53] <aristocrat> crimsun, i had seen it earlier, but what does it mean? :)
[07:53] <johnwl> i wouldnt say well supported since when you install it it says "Not tested with ATI blah blah"
[07:53] <Fr0d0> download kernel source and get the tarball , compile....
[07:53] <Quarupt> there is no 3D accel for Ubuntu/ATI
[07:53] <weas3661> okay...i'm about to try what that post said...wish me luck
[07:53] <tga> that's probably the kernel
[07:54] <johnwl> gl weas
[07:54] <viper12> quarupt that is so not true.  (on 3d accel ati machine typing at you at the moment.)
[07:54] <Quarupt> viper12, what?
[07:54] <Fr0d0> it isn't that hard to set up 3d with ati
[07:54] <Quarupt> no i have checked no drivers for ATI 3d accel in any sources
[07:55] <johnwl> its not really an ubuntu issue tho is it..ATI is not generally as well supported in linux environments as nvidia..thats my understanding
[07:55] <viper12> quarupt, there are plenty of howtos in the forums on getting ati setup just fine.
[07:55] <Fr0d0> TGA mobility 6?
[07:55] <Quarupt> it is set up just fine
[07:55] <tga> Fr0d0: 320M IGP
[07:55] <viper12> johnwi.......it IS true that nvidia supports better, but the ati drivers work okay as well.
[07:55] <Fr0d0> that is mobility
[07:55] <Quarupt> there is no support for 3D accel is what im saying the ATI driver works fine
[07:55] <Fr0d0> there is a module
[07:56] <viper12> and you are incorrect in saying that there is no 3d accel.
[07:56] <Quarupt> lmao
[07:56] <tga> Fr0d0: I poked around for 30 mins or so and couldn't get it to do 3D
[07:56] <Quarupt> I said PACKAGED for UBUNTU did anyone else here this?
[07:56] <Quarupt> flamers, this is not a channel for you
[07:57] <Fr0d0> In many distros, Nvidia is not packaged either....it is so easy to install anyway
[07:57] <johnwl> lets all take off our shirts and hold hands like on the home page
[07:57] <viper12> lol john.
[07:57] <Quarupt> johnwl, LMFAo, that was funny
[07:57] <crimsun> err
[07:58] <Fr0d0> I have ati mobility on my laptop and have 3d right now
[07:58] <goldfish_> LOL
[07:58] <crimsun> the ati and nvidia drivers in linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) provide that
[07:58] <tga> Fr0d0: what did you have to do to get it going?
[07:58] <viper12> as do I frodo.
[07:58] <viper12> smooth as silk i might add.
[07:58] <crimsun> you will also have to install nvidia-glx or ati's gl[x]  libs
[07:58] <crimsun> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:58] <chillywilly> is esound still currently being replaces by polypaudio in hoary or did that change? cause now when I run dist-upgrade it does not want to rip esound out anymore
[07:58] <Fr0d0> download source, looked for ati tarball compiled, it is easy
[07:58] <chillywilly> replaced*
[07:59] <tga> Fr0d0, viper12: ok, I'll reboot to Ubuntu and come bug you guys about getting 3D to work
[07:59] <viper12> np tga. :)
[07:59] <crimsun> chillywilly: yes, polypaudio supercedes it
[07:59] <johnwl> ok everyone log out j/k
[08:00] <Fr0d0> unless he has a very exotic ati card, it should be a piece of cake
[08:00] <viper12> yep....like changing one line in xorg.conf.  lol
[08:00] <Echylo> cya all school time
[08:00] <Fr0d0> lol...
[08:01] <Quarupt> crisum, wanna help me set up my 3d accel then?
[08:01] <viper12> frodo are you using any options under the ati 'device' section?  I didn't bother with any and haven't had any issues....just curious.
[08:01] <crimsun> Quarupt: is your hardware supported? did you follow the wiki page's directions?
[08:02] <Quarupt> i dunno
[08:02] <chillywilly> crimsun: but that's not what I asked because to me it seems like this i not the case anymore as it does not want to remove esound and install polypaudio like it did before
[08:02] <Quarupt> i have been reading wiki for so long i really dun wanna go into another HUGE project
[08:02] <crimsun> Quarupt: ok, we'll start with the first question: what video card?
[08:02] <Quarupt> ATI All In Wonder 9600 pro
[08:03] <thoreauputic> hmm - no ubuntu-calendar-march yet?
[08:04] <crimsun> chillywilly: it's actually fairly simple to trace: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop|grep polypaudio-  returns polypaudio-alsa, and apt-cache show polypaudio-alsa  returns a polypaudio in Depends
[08:05] <crimsun> chillywilly: esound only has to be removed once ;-)
[08:07] <viper12> brb
[08:09] <crimsun> Quarupt: the 9600 series is supported, yes
[08:09] <Quarupt> okay
[08:09] <crimsun> Quarupt: whether the full feature set is supported is another story
[08:09] <Quarupt> so whats the first think i need to install?
[08:09] <crimsun> Quarupt: please see the BinaryDriverHowto ...
[08:09] <thoreauputic> crimsun: any idea if the ubuntu-calendar for march is available yet?
[08:10] <johnwl> anyone run set@home?
[08:10] <johnwl> er seti@home
[08:10] <chillywilly> crimsun: oh well then I guess I will just wait until my sound is b0rked again
[08:11] <viper12> john..I looked at it.........they're moving all their stuff to 'boinc' and I've found that to be bugged all to hell atm.
[08:11] <crimsun> thoreauputic: not yet.
[08:11] <johnwl> yeah i installed it but they've been down
[08:11] <viper12> i ran seti@home for 6 years until some brain surgeon decided boinc was better.
[08:11] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK -thanks - apt-cahe search came up empty so I figured that was the case :)
[08:12] <Quarupt> crisum where is that?
[08:12] <johnwl> keep that guy away from my brain lol
[08:12] <crimsun> Quarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:12] <viper12> of course seti is 'saturated' right now anyway.....they have so many users that they don't have enough data to pass around......pretty ironc actually.
[08:12] <viper12> er...ironic..
[08:12] <johnwl> ive heard so many stories of ppl getting fired for it im surprised use hasnt leveled off
[08:13] <thoreauputic> viper12: well, there's folding@home (good cause)
[08:13] <viper12> fired........for seti? huh?
[08:13] <viper12> thor.........folding?
[08:13] <viper12> you pullin' mah leg?
[08:13] <johnwl> yeah we actually had a few state empluyees fired for installing it in labs and stuff
[08:13] <tga> apparently if you fsck up the / line in /etc/fstab the system doesn't come back up
[08:13] <johnwl> use of state resources lol
[08:13] <thoreauputic> viper12: protein folding calculations I think
[08:14] <tga> mm I love this gtk theme.. gonxical
[08:14] <viper12> oh that one.  nods.  duh.  lol.........actually there is one I'm thinking of hooking up with....a new 'gravity' study is getting ready to start....huge amounts of calcs required.
[08:14] <johnwl> is the client available yet?
[08:15] <johnwl> theres another one..wired.com has the story...searching for planets and if you find one you get to name it
[08:15] <thoreauputic> http://folding.stanford.edu/
[08:15] <viper12> its under boinc, unfortunately.......so I'm waiting another 'rev' with berkley's coders on it.
[08:15] <tga> viper12: so what video card do you have in your lappy?
[08:15] <coroner> there would be more support for such distrobuted clients i feel if the results found were better published
[08:15] <viper12> or stanford's.....always forget which university is responsible for boinc.  and TGA.......my laptop is the 9200 mobility.
[08:16] <tga> viper12: that explains it why it works for you.. I don't think the 320M is supported by the same drivers
[08:17] <viper12> the ati fglrx drivers are s'posed (keyword) support a wide range of ati cards...but its possible tga.  I do remember reading something about 320m in the forums, but as I'm not using that flavor...shrugs.
[08:18] <viper12> tga, do you have the fglrx stuff on your machine?
[08:18] <viper12> and in the line in xorg replacing 'ati' in the device section?
[08:18] <viper12> that, literally is all it took to get me rolling.
[08:19] <tga> viper12: I have Driver "radeon" atm
[08:19] <tga> however FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device
[08:20] <viper12> you need to apt-get the fglrx drivers and after installing them, change the xorg or xfree (depending on warty/hoary) to say fglrx where it used to say 'radeon'.
[08:20] <tga> viper12: it would seem that the fglrx module doesn't recognize my card
[08:21] <viper12> no...................
[08:21] <viper12> tga, you've GOT to use the 686 kernel for that to work.
[08:21] <viper12> i'm on 2.6.10-4
[08:21] <viper12> t686
[08:21] <viper12> er...686
[08:22] <xed_> So.. I got Ubuntu installed and whatnot..
[08:22] <xed_> now i got a quick question..
[08:22] <viper12> shoot xed.
[08:22] <tga> I'm on 2.6.10-3
[08:22] <viper12> its the 386 that's the problem tga.
[08:22] <tga> no it's not, it matches my kernel
[08:22] <xed_> viper12, I need me sound! me sound!!!
[08:22] <xed_> I updated and everything from ze net as well before booting up. =\
[08:22] <tga> you sound fine xed
[08:23] <viper12> tga?????
[08:23] <tga> Linux
[08:23] <tga> Linux idefix 2.6.10-3-386 #1 Tue Feb 15 21:18:07 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:23] <tga> viper12: I have a -386 kernel, that's all
[08:23] <xed_> tga: eh?
[08:23] <viper12> yeah, and you NEED to upgrad to the 2.6.10-4-686 kernel
[08:23] <johnwl> xed: grats
[08:23] <xed_> grats?
[08:23] <xed_> what?
[08:23] <viper12> or even the 2.6.10-3-686 version.
[08:23] <xed_> Oh
[08:24] <tga> viper12: the platform optimizations don't change anything
[08:24] <xed_> Congrats
[08:24] <xed_> johnw1: And all I needed to do was destroy windows and re-install it.
[08:24] <viper12> yes........they........do. (after mucho checking and looking.)
[08:24] <johnwl> xed: the best thing to do after install is go through the ap section of the unofficial starter guide: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:24] <thoreauputic> tga: in this case I believe viper12 is right ( for ati etc)
[08:24] <viper12> however, that still might be an issue with the 320m
[08:24] <rommerUB> why is mplayer so hard to install?
[08:25] <johnwl> rommer did you try the starter guide?
[08:25] <tga> maybe I am missing something here, I'll go look for a newer kernel
[08:25] <tga> rommerUB: it's not
[08:25] <GammaRay> so xine can be easy to install
[08:25] <viper12> you don't have sound xed?  laptop/desktop?  warty or hoary ubuntu?  and sound card?
[08:25] <rommerUB> how do i install it then tga
[08:26] <Slack_Rox> Is there much of s speed drop between slack and ubuntu? anyone know?
[08:26] <GammaRay> Slack_Rox: why would you think there is any?
[08:26] <xed_> why is my fan constantly running..>?
[08:26] <jdub> Slack_Rox: a system is only as fast as you perceive it.
[08:26] <tga> rommerUB: add the marillat-debian source to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get install mplayer
[08:26] <thoreauputic> tga:  apt-cache search linux-image | grep 686
[08:26] <xed_> for my laptop that is
[08:26] <xed_> why1? WHY!!!?
[08:27] <xed_> Its loud and annoying =(
[08:27] <crimsun> rommerUB: you need to add two sources if you're running warty
[08:27] <xed_> I need it on lower power settings..
[08:27] <GammaRay> jdub: oh and as fast as it can encode ogg
[08:27] <tga> thoreauputic: k7 in my case, I'm already doing it
[08:27] <crimsun> rommerUB: afaik, mplayer works fine.
[08:27] <xed_> how do I go about doing that?
[08:27] <johnwl> i would imagine slack is faster (just a guess) but there are so many variables thats hard to say
[08:27] <viper12> okay you're saying that the sound IS working?  its just too loud?
[08:27] <tga> xed_: what kind of laptop is that?
[08:27] <Slack_Rox> I'm only asking because I have seen in forums others saying ubuntu is slower than slack... Is why I was looking for an objective opinion on the matter from someone who has possibly ran both...
[08:27] <GammaRay> johnwl: quite an imagination you have there :-P
[08:28] <tga> my fan tends to run more in linux than in winxp, really annoying in quiet rooms
[08:28] <johnwl> slackwarehas always had a reputation for being fast
[08:28] <rommerUB> how do i get a gui for mplayer
[08:28] <crimsun> rommerUB: gmplayer
[08:28] <xed_> tga: Toshiba Satellite A70
[08:28] <tga> nothing is as fast as Gentoo *hides*
[08:28] <viper12> slack.......i've read several reviews of ubuntu and the one thing all agreed upon was that it IS fast.  slack is the 'standard' benchmark, and although its probably quicker......ubuntu is no slouch.
[08:28] <xed_> tga: how did you go about turning off your fan?
[08:28] <GammaRay> tga: gah
[08:28] <jdub> johnwl: not necessarily based on reality or rational thought.
[08:29] <rommerUB> how do i install gmplayer ;)
[08:29] <GammaRay> viper12: what exactly where they measuring?
[08:29] <johnwl> if your on a relatively decent machine (2-3 years old) it probably wont matter which distro you go with
[08:29] <GoneBoB> johnwl: or indeed on any machine
[08:29] <viper12> gamma, most of the reivews (via distrowatch and a few others like osnews) were talking about boot up and overall 'responsiveness.)
[08:29] <crimsun> rommerUB: it's included in the mplayer* package
[08:29] <rommerUB> ok
[08:29] <xed_> xed@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[08:29] <xed_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:29] <xed_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:29] <xed_> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[08:30] <tga> xed_: I have an Athlon so I modprobe powernow_k7, then poke around /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[08:30] <Slack_Rox> So I wouldn't see some huge performance drop then eh?
[08:30] <xed_> tga: that.. means ... nothing to me.
[08:30] <GammaRay> viper12: overall responsivenessis silly..
[08:30] <crimsun> xed_: enable multiverse
[08:30] <johnwl> yeah you can drop to the command line and be smoking fast on just about anything i guess
[08:30] <xed_> crimsun..! THATS the person who helped me before!
[08:30] <xed_> I remember now!
[08:30] <xed_> I forgot .. I know I have to edit a certain file to enable it
[08:31] <tga> you're it crimsun
[08:31] <xed_> I can't remmeber the file name
[08:31] <GammaRay> if they all run the same software.. I think they will be about the same.
[08:31] <Slack_Rox> brb
[08:31] <xed_> Ello?
[08:31] <xed_> Anyone?
[08:31] <xed_> Tell me how to enable mult-verse?
[08:31] <crimsun> xed_: you can add it using Synaptic>Settings>Repositories, or you can use an editor to add it manually to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:31] <GammaRay> xed_: you must go to the dark portal
[08:31] <crimsun> xed_: the former method is probably more intuitive
[08:32] <viper12> not necessarily gammaray......for instance, if one were using an optimized and customized gentoo version of gnome, it would probably be tons quicker than say a 'stock' non optimized version of gnome running on another distro.
[08:32] <StudioGhibli> Hello. need help. Am running Debian unstable. but will reinstall. So want to try out Ubuntu, adn maybe stick to it. Which iso should i download? the new hoary iso?
[08:32] <tga> the latest kernel-image-2.6 seems to be 2.6.8-2
[08:32] <xed_> crimsun: I remember I did it with the latter method.. as thats how you told me to do it before.
[08:32] <tga> StudioGhibli: if you run debian unstable you can download any iso, then upgrade to the greatest latest thing
[08:32] <viper12> tga, if you're repositories are opened to 'universe/multi in hoary, the newer kernels are there.)
[08:32] <tga> thanks vincent_
[08:32] <tga> viper12 rather
[08:33] <viper12> np
[08:33] <GammaRay> viper12: nope. Any distro worth it's salt optimizes for x86 about as much as it can already.
[08:33] <xed_> crimsun, remind me has to how I can get my sound working again?
[08:33] <StudioGhibli> tga: can i dist-upgrade to unstable to Ubuntu?
[08:33] <crimsun> tga: for warty, 2.6.8.1-5-*
[08:33] <StudioGhibli> tga: can i dist-upgrade from unstable to Ubuntu?
[08:33] <viper12> not here to argue with you gamma.......but lets just agree to disagree on that one and let it lie.
[08:33] <thoreauputic> StudioGhibli: you can dist-upgrade warty> hoary, yeah
[08:33] <crimsun> StudioGhibli: search the wiki. The short answer: yes. The long answer: not recommended, you'll have headaches.
[08:33] <StudioGhibli> crimsun: oops.
[08:33] <GammaRay> viper12: I don't see any new insights on compilers from gentoo
[08:34] <StudioGhibli> headaches is not something i want. already have one from flu
[08:34] <xed_> crimsun, how do I enable the multiverse?
[08:34] <xed_> with the sources.list file that is
[08:34] <johnwl> starter guide tells you how zed
[08:34] <StudioGhibli> thoreauputic: no. i use Debian. Unstable. Want to try Ubuntu.
[08:34] <johnwl> xed
[08:34] <crimsun> StudioGhibli: if you'd like to try Ubuntu, why not try the Array-6 images?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> StudioGhibli: OK - got it (bit slow)
[08:34] <crimsun> StudioGhibli: (/topic)
[08:35] <xed_> Does the starter guide tell me how to get my fan to not be so loud?
[08:35] <xed_> (for my laptop tha tis)
[08:35] <StudioGhibli> yeah. just copied that URL to the browser.
[08:35] <johnwl> the installer should pop up that starter guide as soon as new users log in
[08:35] <johnwl> lol
[08:35] <StudioGhibli> thoreauputic: hehe.
[08:35] <viper12> i so agree with that john. lol
[08:35] <Quarupt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:35] <Quarupt>   fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xfree86 (>= 4.3)
[08:35] <Quarupt> E: Broken packages
[08:35] <Quarupt> so i need xfree86 to install the ATI modules for 3d accel?
[08:35] <johnwl> seriously if people would just follow the first half of that they would save a ton of time
[08:36] <StudioGhibli> Does hoary install clean and neat on a IBM thinkpad? T41p.
[08:36] <viper12> that was the FIRST thing I did......after install......and read it through BEFORE install.
[08:36] <xed_> So.. the starter guide doesn't really tell me how to shut off my noisy fan.. =/
[08:36] <StudioGhibli> without tweaking around for a couple of days?
[08:36] <StudioGhibli> xed: heh
[08:36] <johnwl> xed: WD40 :)
[08:36] <jdub> StudioGhibli: yes
[08:37] <viper12> studio.....if you've got the bandwidth..........why not download the array6 live cd and see?
[08:37] <xed_> ... that .. really wouldn't help me.
[08:37] <tga> viper12: I seem to have universe in my hoary sources but I can't see anything newer than 2.6.8
[08:37] <paleblue> hello
[08:37] <xed_> johnwl, wd40.. really wouldn't help me with that..
[08:37] <Quarupt> so...
[08:37] <StudioGhibli> jdub: nice :) i'd love that.
[08:37] <Panzerboy> tga: that's because you've been a baaaaad boy :-)
[08:37] <johnwl> xed: my mini atx is noisy too
[08:37] <StudioGhibli> Can i copy my /home/username and stuff will work fine?
[08:37] <tga> hah, everyone knows that
[08:38] <raggedgentleman> paleblue, lo
[08:38] <paleblue> can anyone help me to change the resolution that gdm uses?
[08:38] <StudioGhibli> i'll try that first .if it does'nt work out, will rip it out.
[08:38] <tga> StudioGhibli: if you run the same version apps yes
[08:38] <Quarupt> anyone know why i cant find the Xorg fglrx package?
[08:38] <viper12> tga, I should the 2.6.10-4 kernel in the 'base' section..........are you using synaptic?
[08:39] <thewolf> When I use either the livecd or install cd the keyboard doesn't respond... what should I do?
[08:39] <StudioGhibli> the ubuntu sources already have a 2.6.11 kernel?
[08:39] <Quarupt> ?
[08:39] <tga> viper12: for some reason synaptic won't show the Repositories dialog. I'm doing it the old fashioned way
[08:39] <StudioGhibli> jdub: Does ubuntu run all spiffy on the thinkpad?
[08:39] <xed_> So.. no one bothered to explain as to how I could lower my .. or shut off my fan..
[08:39] <jdub> StudioGhibli: yes
[08:40] <StudioGhibli> yay
[08:40] <viper12> tga........when was the last time you updated stuff in hoary?
[08:40] <tga> xed_: what CPU do you have?
[08:40] <johnwl> thewolf: that happened to me (usb wireless keyboard) and i just plugged in an old ps2 keyboard to hit ENTER and then unplugged it and the wireless one worked the rest of the install
[08:40] <thewolf> I'm not sure if the install cd freezes, should the cursor blink?
[08:40] <tga> viper12: oh 5 minutes ago or so
[08:40] <Slack_Rox> hells the diff between the iso's in 4.10 and warty lol
[08:40] <xed> tga: P4
[08:40] <viper12> then apt-get reinstall the package manager, I'd say.......something sounds borked over there. :(
[08:40] <thewolf> johnwl, I'll try that. I have had similar problems with USB keyboards and linux
[08:41] <thewolf> Thanks, back soon if it fails and back much later if it works ;)
[08:41] <xed> tga, ?
[08:41] <johnwl> as soon as you hit enter unplug it and the usb one will probably work
[08:41] <StudioGhibli> only 3% of the download done :/
[08:41] <viper12> slack......what difference?  4.10 IS warty...maybe misunderstanding your question.
[08:42] <tga> xed: you need to load a cpu frequency scaling module and then tell it to use a lower frequency
[08:42] <tga> xed: I only know how to do it on an AMD system
[08:42] <Slack_Rox> oh on the mirrors they have a 4.10 dir and warty dir with same .iso's it looks like
[08:42] <xed> tga: Damn.. damnit all
[08:42] <xed> There's gotta be a way
[08:42] <tga> viper12: kernel-image-2.6-k7: Depends: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 but it is not installable
[08:42] <thoreauputic_> StudioGhibli: actually the nick is more about Civil Disobedience ;-)
[08:43] <viper12> k7?  what in gawds name do you want with a k7?  er.........tga, how hold is that box? lol
[08:43] <StudioGhibli> thoreauputic: :) i liked that book. -.-
[08:43] <xed> crimsun, think you could help me out with this issue?
[08:43] <Slack_Rox> Dont matter I'm pulling one now... gonna try it in vmware
[08:43] <StudioGhibli> thoreauputic: must've read it like 50 times.
[08:43] <crimsun> xed: which issue?
[08:43] <tga> viper12: afaik Athlons are K7
[08:43] <viper12> no
[08:44] <tga> viper12: does this look sensible? deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[08:44] <xed> crimsun, the fan.. its constantly running on my laptop... how do I make it so its silent....?
[08:44] <viper12> athlons (32bit processors) are 386/686 for the kernel.  the k7 is older chipset, and the amd64 processors require the amd specific kernel.
[08:44] <crimsun> xed: I'm not familiar w/ that; try searching the wiki
[08:44] <EndGame> xed, cut off all the fins
[08:44] <johnwl> lol
[08:44] <viper12> tga, that looks right.
[08:44] <viper12> lemme check mine. just sec.
[08:45] <Slack_Rox> lol
[08:45] <EndGame> or just unplug it
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> if something crashes on your sound device how do you free it back up?
[08:45] <xed> crimsun, thank you
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> with out rebooting
[08:45] <xed> EndGame,  har dee har har
[08:45] <EndGame> what the hell do you need a fan in a laptop anyways
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> cuz i gots no sounds
[08:45] <tga> viper12: just by the description, 686 is PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.
[08:45] <hayden> i tried to install mplayer but it says it depends on libartsc0, libfribidi0 and other things, how do i update them?
[08:45] <tga> viper12: and K7 is Duron/Athlon
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> but i did a minute agot
[08:45] <xed> EndGame, yeah! While I'm at it.. why not just DESTROY my laptop!
[08:45] <EndGame> what processor is it running?
[08:45] <xed> Infact, I think I don't need a PC.. I'll just go kill myself
[08:46] <xed> EndGame, Pentium 4 2.8GHz
[08:46] <tga> hayden: add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to your sources.list, then install mplayer
[08:46] <EndGame> shit, its not worth it
[08:46] <viper12> no tga.  686 is applicable for the amd 32bit processors (athlon).
[08:46] <hayden> k
[08:46] <xed> EndGame, what's not worth it?
[08:46] <EndGame> a pentium
[08:46] <crimsun> hayden: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <EndGame> :-)
[08:46] <Mr_Milenko> does anyone know where the GRUB binarie is in Ubuntu? im trying to setup webmin for it.. or is the binarie itself installed on the MBR?
[08:46] <xed> a pentium is not worth what?
[08:46] <Slack_Rox> Kill yourself cause yer fan is too loud in laptop?
[08:46] <EndGame> anything
[08:46] <Mr_Milenko> binary*
[08:46] <Mr_Milenko> damn im tired
[08:46] <raggedgentleman> how do you kill all programs using a specific device
[08:46] <crimsun> hayden: pay close attention to the section regarding which repositories you need to add
[08:46] <xed> EndGame, extremist, aren't you?
[08:46] <tga> Mr_Milenko: `which grub`
[08:47] <EndGame> gentoo on amd
[08:47] <hayden> URI:            ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:47] <hayden> Distribution:   testing (use unstable here if you are using hoary)
[08:47] <hayden> Section(s):     main
[08:47] <EndGame> that's where its at :-)
[08:47] <crimsun> hayden: repositorie_S_
[08:47] <tga> raggedgentleman: find them with `lsof | grep devicename`
[08:47] <EndGame> one of my roomies is running ubuntu, though
[08:47] <EndGame> its really easy, and good for beginners, i suggest it to all my windows friends
[08:47] <EndGame> its just not for me
[08:48] <Mr_Milenko> thanks
[08:48] <tga> true, Ubuntu is easier than vanilla Debian because it comes with a working desktop
[08:48] <hayden> crimsun: should i put testing main or unstable main at the end of the line
[08:48] <tga> hayden: are you using warty or hoary?
[08:48] <hayden> warty
[08:49] <tga> hayden: testing
[08:49] <hayden> ok
[08:49] <crimsun> hayden: (you need the repo listed below that one, too)
[08:49] <viper12> just checked...........tga.....currently the 340m isn't working with 3d rendering, so I'm guessing that the 320m.........ain't either. sorry to see that. :(
[08:49] <xed> This sucks
[08:49] <crimsun> hayden: (hence why I said repositorie_S_)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> hayden: funnily enough you just posted your own answer a few lines up ;/
[08:49] <raggedgentleman> tga, yay it worked thankyou kind sir
[08:49] <xed> I REALLY need to find a way to lower this fan
[08:49] <tga> synaptic: relocation error: synaptic: undefined symbol: _ZN10pkgAcquire3RunEi
[08:49] <xed> this is getting too LOUD
[08:50] <tga> aiiie :\
[08:50] <hayden> crimsun: soz, i dont understand what that means
[08:50] <tga> xed: wait until it starts to melt
[08:50] <tga> raggedgentleman: np, lsof is an useful tool
[08:50] <xed> tga: come on man =(
[08:50] <crimsun> hayden: there are two repositories you need to add. nerim.net is only one.
[08:50] <xed> I need to figure this out
[08:50] <hayden> ok
[08:50] <hayden> and your one
[08:50] <raggedgentleman> tga, and i never knew about him, so thnksX2 =oP
[08:51] <Quarupt> How can i see what driver Xorg is using? to test if i set up this ati driver right
[08:51] <hayden> should the line look like this: deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[08:51] <xed> I don't see anything in the guide here which could help me..
[08:52] <Quarupt> ...?
[08:52] <Mr_Milenko> is it possible to give GRUB a graphical menu?
[08:52] <johnwl> laptop fan thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13954
[08:52] <tga> Mr_Milenko: you can have a background picture, yes
[08:52] <Mr_Milenko> i mean without re-installing
[08:52] <crimsun> hayden: yes, the directions are explicit
[08:52] <Mr_Milenko> what would i have to change
[08:53] <tga> Mr_Milenko: you would have to configure and run grub again.. I've never done it though
[08:53] <Quarupt> How do i reconfigure Xorg?
[08:53] <tga> Quarupt: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:53] <Quarupt> no the script
[08:53] <Quarupt> with dpkg
[08:53] <tga> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-something?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:53] <Quarupt> its like dpkg --reconfigure xorg or something
[08:54] <Quarupt> ya
[08:54] <xed> Created device node /dev/mwave .
[08:54] <xed> FATAL: Error inserting mwave (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/mwave/mwave.ko): Input/output error
[08:54] <xed> Starting Mwave modem: (module mwave did not load) /etc/init.d/mwavem: error: /dev/mwave does not exist.  Exiting.
[08:54] <xed> invoke-rc.d: initscript mwavem, action "start" failed.
[08:54] <xed> dpkg: error processing mwavem (--configure):
[08:54] <xed>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:54] <xed> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:54] <xed>  mwavem
[08:54] <thoreauputic> xed: DIE
[08:54] <xed> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:54] <xed> ahhhh SHIT
[08:54] <xed> Sorry sorry
[08:54] <xed> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:54] <xed> I only meant to copy and paste that
[08:54] <tga> xed: 1) paste in #flood 2) wtf is mwave?
[08:54] <xed> I don't know.. I wish I knew..
[08:54] <xed> This is getting really complicated
[08:54] <xed> But thats the error I'm getting .. repeatedly
[08:54] <xed> Trying to install anything .. and thats what I get
[08:55] <johnwl> did you google mwave?
[08:55] <Quarupt> howto restart gdm?
[08:55] <paleblue> can someone help me to set the resolution that gdm uses? the logon screen displays in a high res and it's only when gnome starts that I get my chosen 1024x768... also I've been trying to use fluxbox but it uses the higher resolution set by gdm
[08:55] <Quarupt> howto restart gdm?
[08:55] <tga> Quarupt: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:56] <tga> or just ctrl+alt+backspace in gdm
[08:56] <tga> I keep forgetting about the sudo part, I just sudo su in an xterm
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: you've been told this before i think - keep notes?
[08:56] <johnwl> or just visit THE STARTER GUIIDE :)
[08:56] <Quarupt> No i havent actually
[08:57] <Anubis> gdm is broken
[08:57] <Anubis> it wont install
[08:57] <Anubis> it is linked to ubuntu artwork pacakge
[08:58] <tga> Anubis: are you dist-upgrading by any chance?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> tga: copy paste into a text editor is one way :) I have  file called "remeberthis.txt" ;-)
[08:59] <thoreauputic> doh *remember
[08:59] <xed> How do I go about mounting my other partition?
[08:59] <xed> Wait wait
[08:59] <xed> This is probably in the starter guide
[08:59] <johnwl> lol
[08:59] <pro> i have a bot i tell him to remember stuff for me
[08:59] <thoreauputic> hehe
[08:59] <paleblue> xed: what kind of partition is it?
[09:00] <tga> a trouble ticket bot would be interesting on bigger support chans
[09:00] <crimsun> tga: linux-image
[09:00] <xed> paleblue, ntfs
[09:00] <thoreauputic> actually a channel bot would be useful for repeated questions (like configuring X)
[09:00] <weez> i got my mouse working...one more question...i'm having trouble mounting my windows partition....
[09:00] <crimsun> tga: kernel-image => Debian. linux-image => Ubuntu
[09:01] <tga> d'oh
[09:01] <johnwl> did that thread help weez?
[09:01] <tga> thanks crimsun, that really helped
[09:01] <weez> not really...i had resatarted my computer numerous imes before asking you guys for help...but when I restarted my computer the last time, my mouse suddenly worked...i don't know what happed.
[09:02] <johnwl> sometimes you just have to accept it and move on lol
[09:02] <Quarupt> okay, i installed the Glfrx module or whatever and now im stuck in like 800x600 and it wont let me change it?
[09:02] <EndGame> and you dont need to know
[09:02] <weez> wanna help me out in accessing my mp3's on my windows partition?
[09:02] <EndGame> just know that it works and be thankful, right
[09:02] <EndGame> what is this? windows?
[09:02] <weez> i'll be good to go after that...
[09:02] <Quarupt> I can see like 4 lines in xchat
[09:02] <tga> weez: sure, apt-get install proftpd
[09:02] <Quarupt> anyone know why this might be happening?
[09:02] <crimsun> I generally recommend vsftpd over proftpd, but that's just preference.
[09:03] <Quarupt> maybe i just need to go back to the plain ati driver
[09:03] <johnwl> weez: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[09:03] <Quarupt> so no one else has had this problem with the gl ati driver?
[09:04] <tga> Quarupt: check your X logs
[09:04] <pro> hey uMkulu
[09:04] <Quarupt> the error says x server doesnt support RandR or something
[09:04] <pro> uMkulu, what is ubuntu?
[09:04] <uMkulu> pro: no idea
[09:04] <Quarupt> im gunna switch it back to the ati driver
[09:05] <tga> main CPU turn on !! `cat cpuinfo_max_freq > scaling_max_freq`
[09:05] <weez> i have vsftpd now...now what?
[09:05] <johnwl> did you see the link i posted?
[09:05] <hayden> how come when i tell mplayer to go full screen the video stays the same size
[09:05] <pro> uMkulu, ubuntu is a high tech linux distribution based on the GNU/Debian linux, but more upto date and user friendly
[09:05] <uMkulu> OK, pro.
[09:05] <tga> weez: oh man, that was a joke.. ftpd is useful for running a ftp over the net (for, like, sharing your mp3s with me)
[09:05] <pro> uMkulu, what is ubuntu?
[09:05] <uMkulu> i guess ubuntu is a high tech linux distribution based on the GNU/Debian linux, but more upto date and user friendly
[09:05] <monoxide> i currently have a hoary install that was updated from a warty install but there are some things that are not wokring quite right. is there a way to install hoary again once i get the final cd release with the same packages i have installed now?
[09:06] <tga> hayden: try mplayer -zoom movie.avi
[09:06] <johnwl> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[09:06] <thoreauputic> pro: aha, the bot has arrived!
[09:06] <pro> geiabonga, spallie
[09:06] <hayden> im using the gui though
[09:06] <tga> I haven't seen the gui in years
[09:06] <weez> okay..i have it mounted..but they're all .mdm files...i don't know what these are...that's been my problem
[09:06] <pro> yeah, and the word ubuntu is Zulu, and in Zulu uMkulu is "Chief"
[09:06] <Jeezis> anyone here know how i can use knoppix to set up ubuntu?
[09:06] <weez> i figured I had mounted the wrong hda or something...but i tried all of them
[09:07] <raggedgentleman> pro, whats wrong with you?
[09:07] <tga> Jeezis: it is probably easier to get an Ubuntu CD
[09:07] <FAST> whats the quick way to sharpen an image in the gimp ?
[09:07] <raggedgentleman> pro, do you always spread your knowledge this way?!
[09:08] <pro> raggedgentleman, nothing? i got some sleep last night
[09:08] <tga> FAST: you may have better luck on irc.gimp.net, #gimp
[09:08] <pro> first time in over 3 months i slept for longer then 5 hours
[09:08] <Quarupt> so much for Gl ATI driver
[09:08] <pro> FAST, try this....
[09:08] <Quarupt> guess no #D support for me
[09:08] <Quarupt> :(
[09:08] <tga> Quarupt: check your xorg.conf for modes and your logs for any errors
[09:09] <raggedgentleman> pro, u scary me, i though you a bot =o)
[09:09] <Quarupt> i set the modes
[09:09] <monoxide> i currently have a hoary install that was updated from a warty install but there are some things that are not wokring quite right. is there a way to install hoary again once i get the final cd release with the same packages i have installed now? i dont mind losing my config files, but i want all my current sw installed
[09:09] <pro> open layers, duplicate the layer, and set the type to overlay, then add a new black layer, put it between the 2 layers and then make it overlay too
[09:09] <Quarupt> i know what modes were there
[09:09] <pro> then CTRL+M to merge and done
[09:09] <Quarupt> what logs?
[09:09] <tga> monoxide: what's wrong with your Hoary?
[09:09] <crimsun> monoxide: dpkg -l  lists all packages currently installed
[09:09] <johnwl> sounds like a personal question
[09:10] <pro> raggedgentleman, i get that often.... in real life too
[09:10] <tga> Quarupt:  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:10] <pro> 8)
[09:10] <viper12> tga:  just went over some more info on the different processor kernels......and this is the generally accepted kernel processor branching:
[09:10] <viper12>  1. sudo apt-get install linux-686 for newer Intel/AthlonXP
[09:10] <viper12> 2. sudo apt-get install linux-k7 for any AMD Processors
[09:10] <viper12> 3. sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp for Dual Intel Processors
[09:10] <weez> well, i don't have any mp3's on this partition in the first place
[09:10] <Quarupt> can i grep that with (EE)
[09:10] <Quarupt> ?
[09:10] <johnwl> sudo apt-get install commodore64
[09:10] <tga> viper12: alright, I'll go with 686 then
[09:10] <monoxide> several programs segfault on load, had troubles with sound and things like gnome crashing
[09:10] <weez> how do I get rid of vftpd?
[09:10] <tga> weez: apt-get remove vsftpd
[09:10] <monoxide> crimsun, any way to load that list back in?
[09:11] <weez> thanks
[09:11] <pro> weez dpkg --purge vftpd
[09:11] <monoxide> other than manually
[09:11] <viper12> the k7 will work, but the 'new' amd xp line......ra-posedly s'posed to be better.......yer mileage may vary.  ;)
[09:11] <crimsun> monoxide: with some shell magic, yes
[09:11] <pro> and i think its actually vsftpd
[09:11] <Quarupt> not one line with (EE)
[09:12] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, drx is reconfigure X with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or xserver-xorg in Hoary)
[09:12] <tga> Quarupt: are you sure your config is right then? try to ctrl+alt+PAD_+
[09:12] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:12] <viper12> time to crawl towards the bed. take care all.
[09:12] <weez> it never installed it anyway...anyway, you guys know what the hell an mdm file is...i have my file system mounted...however...i don't recognize any of them
[09:12] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: what is drx
[09:12] <Quarupt> wtf is PAD_+
[09:12] <uMkulu> i think drx is reconfigure X with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or xserver-xorg in Hoary)
[09:13] <thoreauputic> hmm - good bot, uMkulu
[09:13] <uMkulu> thanks thoreauputic :)
[09:13] <thoreauputic> haha
[09:13] <Quarupt> oh fast res switching
[09:13] <raggedgentleman> pro, no i just wanted to play with the bot =o)
[09:13] <Quarupt> cool
[09:13] <tga> weez: try `file foo.mdm`
[09:14] <johnwl> weez: check this thread if that doesnt work http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:EIjrKTnXwDkJ:ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-385.html+ubuntu+windows+partition+&hl=en&start=5
[09:14] <johnwl> good god thats an ugly url
[09:14] <tga> www.tinyurl.co
[09:14] <tga> www.tinyurl.com rather
[09:14] <pro> raggedgentleman, uMkulu is the bot, go mad
[09:15] <mpq> okay, there is definitely something wrong with my computer
[09:15] <goldfish_> is it gay?
[09:15] <mpq> apart from that
[09:15] <goldfish_> lol
[09:15] <mpq> I can't use irc and firefox at the same time for some reason
[09:15] <tga> 2.6.11-1-686, here I go
[09:15] <monoxide> heh
[09:15] <mpq> when I open irc, it decides that there aren't any websites on the internet
[09:15] <tga> my brain does that too
[09:16] <johnwl> maybe you installed palmOS
[09:16] <mpq> but irc works perfectly
[09:16] <raggedgentleman> could it be a firewall thingy?
[09:16] <mpq> I don't see why
[09:16] <mpq> I've never had trouble before today
[09:17] <raggedgentleman> what did you do today?
[09:17] <raggedgentleman> starting from when you woke =o)
[09:17] <monoxide> hosts file?
[09:17] <weez> ugh..i'll sort it out tomorrow. thanks anyways guys!
[09:17] <mpq> I didn't really did anything
[09:17] <mpq> I was browsing
[09:17] <mpq> then I checked irc
[09:18] <mpq> and now I can't access any websites
[09:18] <monoxide> mpq, what sort of connection are you on?
[09:18] <johnwl> did you try killing the processes for both and then restarting?
[09:18] <mpq> cable
[09:19] <Quarupt> tga, heres the error
[09:19] <tga> great, Ubuntu is taking exactly 50% of my 5.6G root partition
[09:19] <mpq> it occured to me that I've had trouble with this connection before
[09:19] <monoxide> so i dont suppose its possible that irc is hogging your bandwidth? :/
[09:19] <Jentoo000> yay i just installed ubuntu and im on it
[09:19] <Jentoo000> it looks really impressive
[09:19] <tga> lol monoxide
[09:19] <mpq> it hasn't done this before
[09:19] <hayden> how do i mount a network share with samba on boot?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, guide is the unofficial Ubuntu guide at http://ubuntuguide.org - for help with restricted formats, mplayer and all manner of other helpful stuff...
[09:19] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:19] <johnwl> grats jentoo
[09:19] <monoxide> apt as well...
[09:20] <tga> hayden: you stick it in /etc/fstab
[09:20] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: guide
[09:20] <uMkulu> rumour has it guide is the unofficial Ubuntu guide at http://ubuntuguide.org - for help with restricted formats, mplayer and all manner of other helpful stuff
[09:20] <hayden> i tried that but it didnt work
[09:20] <Quarupt> The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[09:20] <thoreauputic> right
[09:20] <tga> hayden: iirc file system type "smbfs"
[09:20] <johnwl> now spam that every 2 minutes Umkulu
[09:20] <Quarupt> wtf
[09:20] <monoxide> hayden, with /etc/fstab, the type of the mount is smbfs
[09:20] <hayden> ok
[09:20] <Quarupt> man and i have 3d Acell to, but im stuck in this weak ass res
[09:20] <Jentoo000> how do i check my hard drive, and how much room i got left, i forgot the command it for dh -h or something
[09:20] <tga> Jentoo000: df -h
[09:20] <tga> Jentoo000: aka disk free
[09:21] <Quarupt> tga, so ya know what i should try now, can ya look at my config maybe?
[09:21] <Jentoo000> whats tmpfs
[09:21] <hayden> will try this now
[09:21] <tga> Quarupt: dump it in #flood and I'll take a look
[09:21] <Jentoo000> it doesnt show my swap
[09:21] <johnwl> Jentoo: or applications>system tools>system monitor
[09:21] <zenrox> Jentoo000,  swap in a way
[09:21] <Quarupt> thanks
[09:21] <monoxide> Jentoo000, df
[09:21] <Jentoo000>  /dev/shm
[09:21] <plx> anyone setup networking with a vmware virtual machine in ubuntu?
[09:21] <offbyone> Hola
[09:21] <uMkulu> hola, offbyone
[09:21] <Jentoo000> whats that? my win98?
[09:21] <Quarupt> tga, uh wheres xorg keep it again?
[09:22] <tga> Quarupt: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:22] <offbyone> So: /me just decided, what the hell, why not try Haory.
[09:22] <Quarupt> thx
[09:22] <offbyone> s/Haory/Hoary
[09:22] <offbyone> And...
[09:22] <offbyone> No more DRI
[09:22] <offbyone> -> 3D things are gone now.
[09:22] <offbyone> (Cursed X.org :)
[09:23] <offbyone> Anyone know how to make it work? I have a mobility Radeon, and under Warty I had good 3D performance.
[09:23] <offbyone> Now, glxgears looks like I could draw it faster.
[09:23] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[09:23] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:23] <Jentoo000> lol i only got 1.7 GBS left :P
[09:23] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: restricted
[09:23] <uMkulu> restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[09:23] <tga> Jentoo000: Giga BS?
[09:24] <Jentoo000> giga
[09:24] <Jentoo000> im connected to a router how can i look into my other computer through the router?
[09:24] <offbyone> I can provide dmesg/xorg logs/etc...
[09:25] <Jentoo000> ?
[09:25] <offbyone> the xorg logs show DRI: yes, the glxinfo shows it "no"
[09:25] <Jentoo000> do i use samba to communicate with the other computer
[09:25] <Jentoo000> ?
[09:25] <monoxide> offbyone, i dont have dri either i dont think
[09:25] <offbyone> I have agpgart, intel_agp, and radeon modules loaded.
[09:25] <johnwl> Jentoo: think so..not my area of expertise tho
[09:25] <zenrox> Jentoo000,  go to www.ubuntuguide.org for info and any thang
[09:26] <johnwl> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[09:26] <monoxide> Jentoo000, is it a linux or a windows box?
[09:26] <Jentoo000> im using ubuntu now my other computer is XP
[09:26] <must> hiiii....gabung yuk !
[09:26] <monoxide> samba is your best bet then
[09:26] <Quarupt> tga, its in #flood
[09:26] <Quarupt> its too big
[09:26] <Quarupt> maybe i should use pastebin
[09:26] <zenrox> yep samba is easy to set up
[09:26] <Quarupt> tga, ya see enough or ya need the whole thing?
[09:27] <monoxide> you CAN get nfs for windows... but its probably not worth it
[09:27] <thoreauputic> pro: is there a shortcut for the bot? like ! or @ ?
[09:27] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[09:27] <must> thank yuor
[09:27] <thoreauputic> nope
[09:27] <thoreauputic> @restricted
[09:28] <thoreauputic> hmm OK
[09:28] <Jentoo000> maybe samba is already installed how do i find out
[09:28] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: restricted
[09:28] <uMkulu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[09:28] <thoreauputic> OK that'll do I guess
[09:28] <zenrox> Jentoo000, read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[09:29] <zenrox> Jentoo000, and also look for mounting windows partions in ubuntu
[09:31] <Jentoo000> what is smbfs
[09:31] <Jentoo000> i just apt-getted samba its downloading at the moment
[09:31] <thoreauputic> samba file system
[09:31] <Jentoo000> ok
[09:31] <zenrox> thats how linux knows its a networked file system
[09:32] <Jentoo000> so i have to apt-get that as well
[09:32] <zenrox> yes
[09:32] <zenrox> usualy you can do apt-get install app1 app2 etc....
[09:33] <zenrox> that way you dont have to ap-get so ofton
[09:33] <zenrox> errr apt-get
[09:34] <Jentoo000> im going to install emule
[09:34] <zenrox> is that ubuntuguide.org what you wanted
[09:35] <Jentoo000> :) yes
[09:35] <zenrox> good
[09:35] <zenrox> hehehehehe
[09:35] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, howto is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15 for a listing of useful howtos and frequently asked questions
[09:35] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:35] <zenrox> got quiet all of a suddon
[09:35] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: howto
[09:35] <uMkulu> it has been said that howto is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15 for a listing of useful howtos and frequently asked questions
[09:36] <Quarupt> ATTENTION anyone in here with a 9600 series readeon card with the fglrx module working?
[09:36] <zenrox> writing a bot
[09:36] <Quarupt> please
[09:36] <Jentoo000> i dont even know my XP's username :P
[09:36] <tga> ACHTUNG
[09:36] <zenrox> thoreauputic, writing a bot
[09:37] <zenrox> Jentoo000, the name you login with on winxp
[09:37] <Jentoo000> yes
[09:37] <Quarupt> I really wanna get this working
[09:37] <thoreauputic> zenrox: it's pro's bot - I'm teaching it some keywords
[09:37] <Jentoo000> your_system_username
[09:37] <zenrox> Quarupt, check #ati
[09:37] <Madeye> guys, I'm setting up a weekly cron job to download backup for about 70 website on my server, now what I want to do, to compare if the backup file has any changes to download it, so I will save some bandwidth with backup that didn't changes. any idea How to do it ? the comparision ?
[09:37] <Quarupt> Help im stuck in 800x600 trying the fglrx driver for ATI 9600
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Madeye: look at rsync
[09:38] <Jentoo000> how do i find my network username and the your_system_username
[09:38] <zenrox> Jentoo000, your_system_username= winxp login name
[09:38] <Jentoo000> Administrator i suppose
[09:38] <zenrox> Jentoo000, that will work
[09:39] <Jentoo000> didnt work ...
[09:39] <Jentoo000> Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user Administrator. Does this user exist in the UNIX password database ?
[09:39] <Jentoo000> dont know
[09:40] <zenrox> ya the user anem of your linux box
[09:40] <zenrox> name
[09:40] <Jentoo000> oh lol
[09:40] <Madeye> thanks thoreauputic
[09:40] <Quarupt> well #ati is dead
[09:40] <zenrox> setting up the server right
[09:40] <Jentoo000> whats SMB?
[09:40] <Jentoo000> yes
[09:40] <Quarupt> i would really like to figure this one out
[09:40] <goldfish_> Jentoo000: smb = samba
[09:40] <zenrox> use the username of your linux box
[09:40] <zenrox> that your using right now
[09:40] <monoxide> SMB = samba
[09:41] <Jentoo000> oh lol im such a newb why do i have to keep writing sudo what does it do?
[09:41] <zenrox> sudo so you can run thangs in a root session
[09:42] <goldfish_> Because you touch yourself at night?
[09:42] <tga> Jentoo000: if you want a root shell do `sudo su`
[09:42] <tga> Jentoo000: the root account has no password by default
[09:42] <zenrox> or sudo -s and type your userpass
[09:42] <Jentoo000> "your network username" dont know :(
[09:42] <Quarupt> tga
[09:42] <tga> Quarupt
[09:42] <Quarupt> no luck for me yet
[09:43] <tga> same here, I just grabbed 2.6.11 and trying again
[09:43] <Quarupt> wanna look at my logs still
[09:43] <Quarupt> hey guys whats the pastebin site?
[09:43] <zenrox> pastebin.com
[09:43] <Quarupt> pastebin.net?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drivers is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
[09:43] <tga> d'oh, there's no 2.6.11 fglrx module
[09:43] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:43] <Quarupt> okay
[09:43] <Jentoo000> do i have to create a new network user first?
[09:43] <zenrox> no
[09:43] <Jentoo000> in order to edit the smb file
[09:43] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drivers
[09:43] <uMkulu> drivers is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
[09:44] <Jentoo000> because i dont know my network username
[09:44] <zenrox> your username =networkname
[09:44] <Quarupt> where does xorg keep its log again?
[09:44] <Jentoo000> ok..
[09:44] <zenrox> Quarupt, /var/log
[09:44] <Jentoo000> is my systems username ubuntu because it says on my terminal @ubuntu
[09:45] <Quarupt> and whats the file called again?
[09:45] <zenrox> Jentoo000,  are you using the livecd
[09:45] <Jentoo000> zenrox: no i just installed ubuntu :)
[09:45] <Jentoo000> it took a while :S
[09:45] <zenrox> Jentoo000,  why did you chouse ubuntu as a username
[09:46] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: dw is Look, "doesn't work" seems to be a common error message, but I've never seen it: Can you be a bit more specific about what's happening?
[09:46] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: no idea
[09:46] <goldfish_> lol
[09:46] <Jentoo000> i only have 1.7 gigs of space, so id like to put my stuff on my XP comp 100 gigs
[09:46] <thoreauputic> hmm
[09:46] <thoreauputic> uMkulu,  dw is Look, "doesn't work" seems to be a common error message, but I've never seen it: Can you be a bit more specific about what's happening?
[09:46] <uMkulu> i don't know, thoreauputic
[09:46] <kzm> Hi and good morning
[09:46] <tga> Jentoo000: make sure you have a fat32 partition, writing on NTFS can cause problems
[09:46] <Jentoo000> zenrox: my username is my name but the guide says edit smbusers, and it says  your_system_username = "your network username"
[09:46] <kzm> Anybody else have problems with mplayer from marillat?
[09:46] <kzm> (on warty)
[09:46] <thoreauputic> ? restricted
[09:47] <zenrox> ya you use your username
[09:47] <Jentoo000> is my system username my loging?
[09:47] <zenrox> Jentoo000, yes
[09:47] <Jentoo000> so its (username) = (username)
[09:47] <thoreauputic> OK that isn't the synatax problem...
[09:47] <Quarupt> TGA, or anyone else who might be able to help
[09:47] <zenrox> no you keep your_system_username=
[09:48] <Quarupt> http://pastebin.com/249133
[09:48] <Jentoo000> why
[09:48] <TomAraya> Hello
[09:48] <uMkulu> hello, TomAraya
[09:48] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, dw is Doesn't Work (tm) doesn't tell us much - can you be more specific, please
[09:48] <uMkulu> i haven't a clue, thoreauputic
[09:48] <thoreauputic> hrmph
[09:48] <zenrox> thats how it knows that systemuers name = your username
[09:49] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drivers
[09:49] <uMkulu> it has been said that drivers is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
[09:49] <Jentoo000> exactly i wrote (username) = (username)
[09:49] <zenrox> no
[09:49] <Quarupt> thoreauputic, i followed that, i am having a very different error
[09:49] <TomAraya> I found this really good Linux FAQ for newbs like me at work, it was totally making everything click.. when I went back to my computer later on it crashed though and now I can't find it.
[09:49] <zenrox> you keep your_system_username =
[09:49] <Quarupt> tga, ya still with me?
[09:50] <tga> Quarupt: yeah, downgrading to 2.6.10-4 atm
[09:50] <monoxide> Jentoo000, example:     Jentoo = "WindowsUser"
[09:50] <thoreauputic> uMkulu,  dw is Doesn't Work (tm) doesn't tell us much - can you be more specific, please
[09:50] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: no idea
[09:50] <zenrox> you keep your_system_username = (usernam)
[09:50] <TomAraya> I guess you pretty much have to learn your way around Bash if you're going ot run Linux though, huh?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> wtf
[09:50] <zenrox> monoxide,  no
[09:50] <waseem> hi do any of you guys recommend a good media player for movies...wmv, mpeg, etc.
[09:51] <waseem> totem doesnt seem to be working for me
[09:51] <TomAraya> waseem, everyone seems to recommend Mplayer.
[09:51] <waseem> oh ok thanks
[09:51] <monoxide> waseem, mplayer
[09:51] <zenrox> gxine
[09:51] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:51] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: wish i knew
[09:51] <schasi> waseem: what did you do to get totem working? What does it fail in?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> the bot is refusing to co-operate
[09:52] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: bad bot !
[09:52] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: i'm not following you...
[09:52] <goldfish_> lol
[09:52] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  slap it
[09:52] <Quarupt> tga, so ya dont have time to look, or are ya doing this, just to see if when you try you have a simmilar problem?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> no, you aren't
[09:52] <zenrox> uMkulu, bad bod
[09:52] <uMkulu> zenrox: excuse me?
[09:52] <zenrox> uMkulu, bad bot
[09:52] <uMkulu> zenrox: what?
[09:52] <goldfish_> uMkulu: asl?
[09:52] <uMkulu> goldfish_: bugger all, i dunno
[09:53] <zenrox> lol
[09:53] <monoxide> lol
[09:53] <zenrox> uMkulu,  bad bot is when you sit down
[09:53] <uMkulu> OK, zenrox.
[09:53] <zenrox> uMkulu, bad bot
[09:53] <uMkulu> i heard bad bot was when you sit down
[09:54] <thoreauputic> hey, why is it listening to zenrox?
[09:54] <zenrox> dont know
[09:54] <goldfish_> lol
[09:54] <goldfish_> Because you touch yourself at night?
[09:54] <zenrox> no
[09:54] <zenrox> just uMkulu
[09:55] <thoreauputic> uMkulu,  dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:55] <Quarupt> tga, how ya doing?
[09:55] <uMkulu> i don't know, thoreauputic
[09:55] <thoreauputic> hmm
[09:55] <tga> Quarupt: same old
[09:55] <goldfish_> uMkulu,  dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much.
[09:55] <uMkulu> OK, goldfish_.
[09:55] <goldfish_> *sigh*
[09:55] <tga> does anyone know if the Warty CD include 2.6.8 kernel sources?
[09:55] <goldfish_> uMkulu: dw
[09:55] <uMkulu> it has been said that dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much.
[09:55] <goldfish_> uMkulu,  dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much.
[09:55] <uMkulu> i already had it that way, goldfish_.
[09:55] <goldfish_> gah
[09:55] <thoreauputic> goldfish_: OK, it doesn't like me any more
[09:55] <thoreauputic> :(
[09:55] <zenrox> uMkulu, dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:55] <TomAraya> uMkulu, bad bot
[09:55] <uMkulu> no idea, zenrox
[09:55] <uMkulu> i heard bad bot was when you sit down
[09:55] <Quarupt> tga, ya think i should give up?
[09:55] <pignu> just what are you all doing, with the bot?
[09:55] <tga> Quarupt: never :)
[09:56] <goldfish_> uMkulu,  dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much.
[09:56] <uMkulu> i already had it that way, goldfish_.
[09:56] <Quarupt> well i dunno what to do
[09:56] <Jentoo000> it says Replace with the following line
[09:56] <Jentoo000>    security = user replace it with what?
[09:56] <tga> does the Warty CD include 2.6.8 kernel sources?
[09:56] <thoreauputic> maybe it's the ?
[09:56] <zenrox> uMkulu, dw is well  doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:56] <Quarupt> i have to chose 3d accel or higher res's
[09:56] <uMkulu> i haven't a clue, zenrox
[09:56] <goldfish_>  uMkulu, dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:56] <uMkulu> no idea, goldfish_
[09:56] <thoreauputic> zenrox: could be it
[09:56] <zenrox> uMkulu, dw is well doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific?
[09:56] <Quarupt> i defenitly cant stay in 800x600
[09:56] <uMkulu> i haven't a clue, zenrox
[09:56] <goldfish_>  uMkulu, dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:56] <uMkulu> ...but dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much....
[09:56] <tga> ok, let's try something else
[09:56] <Quarupt> ok
[09:56] <tga> gah, stop torturing the bot
[09:56] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, dw is well doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific...
[09:56] <TomAraya> Poor bot.
[09:57] <tga> does anyone have a Warty CD handy?
[09:57] <uMkulu> ...but dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much....
[09:57] <Quarupt> i have the logs on pastebin if ya wanna se
[09:57] <TomAraya> Hi uMkulu.
[09:57] <tga> Quarupt: alright
[09:57] <Quarupt> I do
[09:57] <thoreauputic> haha
[09:57] <goldfish_>  uMkulu, dw is also well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:57] <uMkulu> okay, goldfish_.
[09:57] <Quarupt> i have 450 of them in my bag
[09:57] <TomAraya> The bot hates me.
[09:57] <goldfish_> uMkulu: dw
[09:57] <uMkulu> i heard dw was well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. or well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:57] <thoreauputic> OK it won't change it
[09:57] <zenrox> we need to tourcher the bot in a differnt chanel
[09:57] <goldfish_> lol
[09:57] <Jentoo000> ?
[09:57] <TomAraya> Hi.
[09:57] <TomAraya> Hello.
[09:57] <Quarupt> But im running Hoary
[09:57] <goldfish_> hi
[09:57] <Jentoo000> can anyone help
[09:57] <uMkulu> privet, goldfish_
[09:57] <TomAraya> Oh, no period.
[09:57] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: forget dw
[09:57] <TomAraya> Hello
[09:57] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: I forgot dw
[09:57] <Quarupt> tga, can we talk in PM cause i can only see like 7 lines at a time in this res
[09:58] <tga> lol, ok
[09:58] <thoreauputic>  uMkulu, dw is  well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:58] <uMkulu> OK, thoreauputic.
[09:58] <zenrox> thare
[09:58] <goldfish_> woo
[09:58] <neom> woohooo!
[09:58] <zenrox> i had the right idea
[09:58] <thoreauputic> the ? is the problem
[09:58] <neom> I got my htaccess provlem fixed. :D
[09:58] <neom> :D:D:D:D:D:
[09:58] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: dw
[09:58] <uMkulu> i think dw is well, doesn't work doesn't tell us much. Can you be a bit more specific.
[09:58] <thoreauputic> ok
[09:58] <zenrox> good
[09:59] <zenrox> ok whats next
[09:59] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: congratulations
[09:59] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: i'm not following you...
[09:59] <thoreauputic> hahe
[09:59] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: good bot
[09:59] <uMkulu> :)
[09:59] <zenrox> uMkulu, congratulations is you poor the wine
[09:59] <uMkulu> OK, zenrox.
[09:59] <Jentoo000> hmm guess its working
[10:00] <zenrox> uMkulu, congratulations
[10:00] <uMkulu> i think congratulations is you poor the wine
[10:00] <Jentoo000> Processing section "[printers] "
[10:00] <Jentoo000> it said stuff like that
[10:00] <pignu> Jentoo000: just what are you setting up?
[10:00] <thoreauputic> zenrox: that should be "pour" I think
[10:00] <zenrox> uMkulu, forget congratulations
[10:00] <uMkulu> zenrox: I forgot congratulations
[10:01] <zenrox> uMkulu, congratulations is you pour the wine
[10:01] <uMkulu> OK, zenrox.
[10:01] <zenrox> uMkulu, congratulations
[10:01] <uMkulu> i heard congratulations was you pour the wine
[10:01] <zenrox> thx
[10:01] <Quarupt> How can i check my Xorg version?
[10:01] <tga> and this is how bots get banned
[10:01] <tga> Quarupt: Xorg -version
[10:02] <thoreauputic> tga: true, it should be taught elsewhere
[10:02] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  thats what i was saying
[10:02] <thoreauputic> OK we should give it a rest I guess ;-)
[10:02] <tga> can't you just msg the thing?
[10:03] <plx> the gnome developers must have been stoned when they changed nautilus to the "the window is the folder"-paradigm.. (glad it's possible to turn it off)
[10:03] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  ya the poor little egg
[10:03] <thoreauputic> tga: I'll try it
[10:03] <tga> uMkulu: what is mumu?
[10:03] <uMkulu> mumu is good
[10:03] <Xer> hi guys
[10:03] <tga> yeah, it works, go teach it in private
[10:04] <Xer> anyone know good script to make alive cd for ubuntu?
[10:04] <Xer> :)
[10:04] <Xer> ...
[10:05] <binskipy2k5> anyone here ever use/try simplyMephis or gentooo in their linux experience
[10:05] <pignu> hmm, Xer, I think your best shot is to look on how it, they created the one that exists.
[10:05] <Xer> i tryed
[10:05] <Jentoo000> it says here  replace this  security = user what do i replace it with?
[10:05] <Xer> i broked my unbutnu 4times ;)
[10:06] <goldfish_> lol
[10:06] <Xer> now i reinstaleld it
[10:06] <Xer> and i need a good script
[10:07] <Xer> all shuted up!
[10:07] <pignu> Xer What your looking for dont exist I belive.. just a script and it just works.
[10:07] <Xer> i know
[10:07] <Xer> i found alots of scripts
[10:07] <Xer> and its need anthers packjes
[10:08] <Xer> and sameone that pakjs dont work with me
[10:08] <TomAraya> Can anyone recommend a good RTS free RTS game for linux?
[10:08] <Xer> [they need Anrthers pakjs to] 
[10:08] <Xer> antheres*
[10:08] <waseem> my mplayer plugin isnt working, and neither is mplayer
[10:08] <waseem> can anyone here help me out?
[10:09] <Xer> mplayer?
[10:09] <waseem> ya
[10:09] <Xer> reinstall it ;)
[10:10] <waseem> it came with ubuntu, and im new with linux...i still barely know how to install a program
[10:10] <waseem> anyone want to walk me through the reinstallation process?
[10:11] <Xer> waseeem
[10:11] <Xer> wait after 1 week
[10:11] <Xer> im thinking after my exams finshed to make a guid for ubuntu ;)
[10:12] <waseem> can anyone here help?
[10:13] <Jeezis> hell yeah, got x running
[10:13] <pignu> waseem: what you trying todo?
[10:13] <Jeezis> just default configuration, but it runs
[10:13] <Jentoo000> dam didnt work
[10:13] <waseem> install mplayer
[10:13] <Xer> ???? ??? ???? ???? ????????
[10:13] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: restricted
[10:13] <uMkulu> hmmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[10:14] <Xer> answer  waseem
[10:14] <Xer> ???? ??? ???? ???? ????????
[10:14] <thoreauputic> waseem: ^^
[10:14] <waseem> its restricted though...
[10:14] <Xer> i think you didnt doo it ;)
[10:14] <Xer> did you added arabic to your linux?
[10:15] <pignu> waseem: how you trying to install it?
[10:15] <Xer> dpkg -i
[10:15] <waseem> first i need to download it
[10:15] <Xer> or from compuer
[10:15] <waseem> xer are you talking to me?
[10:15] <Xer> sys * cionfig
[10:15] <Xer> yes
[10:15] <hayden> how do i auto open a video file with mplayer from the gnome file browser?
[10:15] <waseem> ya thats what i need to know
[10:15] <Xer> lol
[10:15] <tga> how can I see the list of files installed by a package?
[10:16] <Xer> waseem do u know how to goo and open synpatic manger ?
[10:16] <Xer> you will find your answer in that proggram :)
[10:16] <waseem> yes
[10:16] <waseem> ok thanks
[10:17] <Xer> tga
[10:17] <Rocco> may somebody help my according lm_sensors?
[10:17] <Xer> your answer too in synpatic apps manger :)
[10:18] <Rocco> may somebody help my according lm_sensors?
[10:18] <brosio> anyone have ubuntu amd64 con nvidia 6600 pci-x ?
[10:19] <pignu> Rocco: well, you could give more feedback what your trying todo, and read documentation for lmsensors.
[10:19] <hayden> how do i auto open a video file with mplayer from the gnome file browser?
[10:21] <Rocco> well, on booting i get an error like "make sure that /sys is mountet or try modprobe i2c_sensor"
[10:21] <Rocco> /sys is mounted, but how can i modprobe something during booting? and even if i modprobe it after booting, "gDesklets" even doesn't work
[10:22] <monoxide> dpkg -l seems to cut off part of the package names for some packages... anyway to fix this?
[10:23] <Jentoo000> yay it worked, i can share stuff to my dads stuff :D
[10:23] <Rocco> any idea pingu?
[10:23] <Jentoo000> how can i look into my dads computer and put stuff on his computer off my comp?
[10:23] <tga> you little haxx0r
[10:24] <hayden> lol
[10:24] <hayden> tga
[10:24] <hayden> how do i auto open a video file with mplayer from the gnome file browser?
[10:24] <Jentoo000> :P, i want to access my stuff on my dads computer how can i do that?
[10:24] <Quarupt> Anyone know how to switch the opengl interface?
[10:27] <plx> samba mangles filenames at special (german) characters like . how can i fix this?
[10:27] <Quarupt> wheres the damn xorg.conf again?
[10:28] <Jentoo000> which ones for linux source code or binaries?
[10:28] <Jentoo000> ....
[10:29] <Pluk> Quarupt, in /etc/X11/
[10:29] <Quarupt> thx
[10:31] <hayden> ok im stupid
[10:32] <Pluk> lol how come
[10:33] <monoxide> what is kubuntu?
[10:35] <waseem> Hi i seem to be having a problem with mplayer and totem, mplayer won't even open or run, and totem isnt playing any of the movies.
[10:35] <Pluk> ubuntu based on kde
[10:35] <waseem> does anyone know what i can do?
[10:36] <monoxide> Pluk, cant you get that just by uninstalling gnome and installing kde?
[10:36] <Pluk> monoxide, yes but with kubuntu you just do a full install and get kde
[10:37] <monoxide> some people are lazy... :P
[10:37] <Pluk> i thought there was some better kde interaction between progs too then there is possible now with ubuntu and kde
[10:38] <thewolf> Hello, I installed Ubuntu, but after the install it tries to load x, but fails.
[10:38] <thewolf> I'm using a Radeon 9200SE
[10:38] <thewolf> What could be wrong?
[10:39] <hayden> when i choose full screen in mplayer, the video doesn't stretch to the full screen, can anyone tell me how to fix this
[10:39] <waseem> mplayer wont even open for me
[10:39] <waseem> can anyone help me with that?
[10:40] <Jentoo000> how do i unzip a .zip file :S
[10:40] <Pluk> waseem, try mplayer in a terminal that will give you more info
[10:40] <waseem> pluk: i did that
[10:40] <monoxide> what does mplayer say when you try to run it?
[10:40] <waseem> it doesnt say anything
[10:40] <waseem> it just doesnt open
[10:40] <monoxide> Jentoo000, unzip <filename> ;)
[10:41] <thewolf> waseem, when you run it from the terminal, does it say anything?
[10:41] <Xer> waseem , do like i told you
[10:41] <Xer> reboooooot
[10:41] <waseem> thewolf: it just gives you information about mplayer
[10:41] <waseem> no error messages or anything
[10:41] <thewolf> Anyone help me? :(
[10:41] <Xer> ha?
[10:42] <plx> hayden: same here, it works with totem though..
[10:42] <Pluk> hayden, edit .mplayer/configand add: vo=xv
[10:42] <waseem> thewolf: i found one problem, Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[10:42] <waseem> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[10:42] <waseem> Reading config file /root/.mplayer/config
[10:42] <waseem> Reading /root/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/root/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[10:42] <hayden> ok thanks
[10:43] <Xer> lol
[10:43] <hayden> where is .mplayer
[10:43] <Jentoo000> im trying to ./configure and im root and it doesnt let me :( permission denied?
[10:43] <Xer> you dont have codes
[10:43] <thewolf> anyone?
[10:43] <Pluk> hayden, if vo=xv doesnt work remove that line and add zoom=1 to that file
[10:43] <Xer> jen , did u do sudo ?
[10:43] <monoxide> waseem, why are you trying to run mplayer as root?
[10:43] <hayden> pluk: where is .mplayer?
[10:44] <Pluk> in your home directory /home/hayden/.mplayer/config
[10:44] <waseem> because i was doing something as root earlier, my mistake
[10:44] <hayden> ok thanks
[10:44] <waseem> but its the same stuff
[10:44] <waseem> it shows the same stuff when i run it normally
[10:44] <hayden> ok ill try now
[10:45] <hayden> that didnt work
[10:45] <stingaa> can someone help me
[10:45] <Xer> im going to download mplayer and see the problem ;)
[10:45] <stingaa> im really getting desperate
[10:45] <waseem> monoxide: here is the problem, Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[10:45] <waseem> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[10:45] <waseem> Reading config file /home/waseem/.mplayer/config
[10:45] <waseem> Reading /home/waseem/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/waseem/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[10:45] <Jentoo000> why cant i have the permission to ./configure when im root?
[10:45] <Xer> downloading will finshed after 48:21
[10:46] <Xer> jentoo
[10:46] <monoxide> waseem, you have no skins, no codecs. you need both before you can use mplayer
[10:46] <Xer> same proggrams dont run if u are haveing rooot
[10:46] <waseem> where can i get those
[10:46] <monoxide> that is the problem
[10:46] <Xer> i gived you the site
[10:46] <Xer> mother fucker
[10:46] <hayden> that worked, thansk heaps Pluk
[10:46] <monoxide> i have no config file too, and it works fine
[10:46] <Pluk> hayden, your welcome
[10:46] <hayden> one more thing
[10:46] <waseem> so it doesnt come with a default skin or anything?
[10:47] <monoxide> waseem, check out ubuntuguide.org
[10:47] <waseem> ok so once i download codecs and skins, how do i set them up?
[10:47] <monoxide> no
[10:47] <waseem> trust me ive been there
[10:47] <waseem> it only tells you how to get an mplayer plugin
[10:47] <hayden> when i run mplayer a window comes up and says new_face failed. maybe the font directory is wrong. please supply the font ./mplayer/subfont.ttf
[10:47] <waseem> for firefox
[10:47] <hayden> where can i find that
[10:47] <thewolf> Can anyone help me get X working?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[10:48] <uMkulu> keywords is backports bugzilla games restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers
[10:48] <thewolf> Or tell me why it isn't working :(
[10:48] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: topic
[10:48] <uMkulu> i think topic is that thing at the top of the page... Type /topic to read it. Yes. that means YOU....
[10:48] <thoreauputic> hehe
[10:48] <jeavis> hello
[10:48] <uMkulu> hi, jeavis
[10:49] <jeavis> I have a big problem with my gnome enverioment
[10:49] <thewolf> hmm?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> oh no it greets people as well!
[10:49] <jeavis> When I star a session display me a error message
[10:49] <stingaa> i have a big problem with my wireless usb adapter
[10:50] <jeavis> uMkulu: THat said me your session during < 10 secs
[10:50] <uMkulu> jeavis: sorry...
[10:50] <jeavis> uMkulu: and restart de gnome
[10:50] <uMkulu> jeavis: excuse me?
[10:50] <jeavis> uMkulu: I cant enter to gnome
[10:50] <uMkulu> jeavis: what?
[10:50] <Jentoo000> guys im trying to isntall emule and it says here to sh ./configure but it says permission denied when im root why does this happen!!!?
[10:50] <jeavis> uMkulu: When I star a session
[10:51] <uMkulu> jeavis: excuse me?
[10:51] <scaroo> Jentoo000, use the xmule/amule/mlmule package
[10:51] <thewolf> Can anyone please help me with my X problem?
[10:51] <Jentoo000> scaroo: what do you mean?
[10:51] <scaroo> i meant mldonkey
[10:51] <stingaa> can anyone help me with my wireless network adapter?
[10:51] <scaroo> jentoo 'apt-get install amule'
[10:51] <jeavis> uMkulu: gnome display a window that said me that the sesion during < 10 secs. and it restatrs the pc
[10:51] <uMkulu> jeavis: what?
[10:52] <jeavis> I cant enter to gnome, somebody can help me
[10:52] <Summerborn> hello ubuntu fans
[10:53] <thewolf> When the installer tries to start X it doesn't give me any errors.
[10:53] <stingaa> ....anyone?
[10:53] <thoreauputic> jeavis: FYI, uMkulu is a bot
[10:53] <thewolf> stingaa, I second that anyone.
[10:53] <stingaa> :)
[10:54] <stingaa> ive been at this crap for like 4 hours (not an exxageration)
[10:54] <TomAraya> Is it possible to change skins in RealPlayer? I've read a couple posts that say 'I don't think so' but haven't gotten any clarification.
[10:54] <scizzo> stingaa: what is the problem?
[10:54] <stingaa> i cant ger my wireless usb network adapter to work
[10:54] <thewolf> stingaa, I just installed ubuntu, but can't do anything because it won't load X :(
[10:55] <scizzo> thewolf: you can do a lot
[10:55] <thewolf> I don't know much about USB and linux
[10:55] <thewolf> scizzo, like what?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[10:55] <scizzo> thewolf: everything!
[10:55] <uMkulu> keywords is, like, backports bugzilla games restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers restart
[10:55] <jeavis> I cant enter to gnome, somebody can help me, gnome displayed me a window that said ypur session during < 10 secs
[10:55] <CrazyKewl> Made a torrent index for ubuntu here http://torrents.nimp.org/index.php  Check it out and please test it for me.
[10:55] <stingaa> i dont kno much about linux...period
[10:55] <thewolf> ffs
[10:56] <stingaa> scizzo can u help?
[10:56] <scizzo> thewolf: I am doing everything in a terminal.....that is enough for me... irssi, mutt, links etc
[10:56] <thewolf> scizzo, do you have anything useful to say about my problem?
[10:56] <scizzo> thewolf: what is the problem?
[10:56] <thewolf> *sigh*
[10:56] <scizzo> stingaa: hmmm..never used USB and network adapters...what does dmesg and syslog tell you?
[10:56] <thewolf> I just installed ubuntu, but when the installer tries to load X, it fails, no errors
[10:56] <stingaa> dmesg....syslog?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> scizzo: he's just starting - don't confuse him
[10:57] <thewolf> is the installer supposed to let you set the root password?
[10:57] <scizzo> thewolf: look at the /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[10:57] <thoreauputic> thewolf: no
[10:57] <scizzo> thoreauputic: no....you use sudo
[10:57] <scizzo> thoreauputic: sudo -s -H
[10:57] <thoreauputic> thewolf: ubuntu uses sudo
[10:57] <scizzo> GAH!
[10:57] <scizzo> thoreauputic: sorry
[10:58] <thoreauputic> scizzo: at least get the nick right!
[10:58] <thewolf> so I just type sudo and my password to get root access?
[10:58] <jeavis> how I can turn off my pc from terminal
[10:58] <jeavis> sudo -s
[10:58] <thewolf> jeavis, shutdown -h now ?
[10:58] <Summerborn> with the command poweroff you can turn off your pc
[10:58] <scizzo> thoreauputic: I just typed the th and Tab so it became wrong and I said sorry
[10:58] <thoreauputic> jeavis: sudo shutdown -h now
[10:58] <thewolf> ahh
[10:58] <bestadvocate> hey do you guy know a way to find out howmuch diskspace is left on one of your HDs?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> scizzo: OK :)
[10:59] <Summerborn> df -h
[10:59] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: df -H
[10:59] <thewolf> So, what can I do about my X problem?
[10:59] <bestadvocate> thanks guys
[10:59] <thoreauputic> either -h or -H
[10:59] <Summerborn> is the command that gives you description for all your partitions
[10:59] <scizzo> thoreauputic: easy to get the nick wrong when doing the Tab thingy... :P
[10:59] <thoreauputic> scizzo: true
[10:59] <scizzo> stingaa: /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[10:59] <scizzo> stingaa: if there are errors then they should be listed there
[11:00] <stingaa> ok
[11:00] <thewolf> scizzo, Ok, just noticed what you said :)
[11:00] <neom> thewolf - You might want to try sudo apt-get -f install and see what it says.
[11:00] <jeavis> thewolf: thank you
[11:00] <thewolf> scizzo, I will have a look
[11:00] <jeavis> thoreauputic:thank you
[11:00] <thewolf> neom, what does that do?
[11:00] <scizzo> stingaa: where you able to edit the settings for X during install?
[11:01] <scizzo> thewolf: man apt-get  ;)
[11:01] <neom> thewolf - Tell you if anything wasn't fully installed during your install.
[11:01] <thewolf> scizzo, I know what apt-get is, but what does his code DO.
[11:01] <thewolf> neom, ok, thanks
[11:01] <thoreauputic> scizzo: we avoid rtfm responses here, if possible ;_)
[11:01] <thewolf> Back soon :)
[11:02] <scizzo> thoreauputic: well asking for a parameter?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: root
[11:02] <scizzo> thoreauputic: and I never said rtfm I just told him to try to find the answer in the manual.. :)
[11:02] <uMkulu> root is, like, Ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default. You use sudo instead, with my user password
[11:02] <thoreauputic> haha
[11:03] <thoreauputic> oh dear, "his" user password
[11:03] <Pluk> :D
[11:03] <scizzo> thoreauputic: apt-get -f install is telling apt-get to configure and fix the packages a little
[11:03] <scizzo> GAH!
[11:03] <scizzo> wrong nick again!
[11:03] <scizzo> um...no wonder
[11:03] <scizzo> thewolf quited
[11:03] <scizzo> :P
[11:04] <neom> Seems like a common ubuntu problem.
[11:04] <neom> x fails at start on a fresh install.
[11:05] <scizzo> thoreauputic: was never ment to sound like "rtfm" more that it is quiet weird to ask for a parameter... :P
[11:05] <thoreauputic> root
[11:05] <thoreauputic> oh
[11:05] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: root
[11:05] <uMkulu> hmmm... root is Ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default. Use the user password instead, with sudo
[11:05] <Summerborn> uMkulu: bind
[11:05] <uMkulu> Summerborn: sorry...
[11:05] <neom> I set a root password on my ubuntu install.
[11:05] <Summerborn> uMkulu: httpd
[11:05] <uMkulu> Summerborn: excuse me?
[11:06] <Summerborn> uMkulu: apache
[11:06] <hayden> where can i find subfont.ttf (that mplayer needs0
[11:06] <uMkulu> Summerborn: sorry...
[11:06] <neom> :|
[11:06] <neom> bot rape
[11:06] <scizzo> hayden: mplayer-font ?
[11:06] <hayden> yea
[11:06] <scizzo> hayden: I guess you can get it from synaptics if you search for mplayer
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Summerborn: he's only just started learning :)
[11:07] <scizzo> hayden: if not....try to look at the RestrictedFormats on the wiki for information about repositories that you can use for mplayer
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Summerborn: type uMkulu keywords
[11:07] <thoreauputic> only a few
[11:07] <Summerborn> uMkulu: keywords
[11:07] <uMkulu> i think keywords is backports bugzilla games restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers restart root
[11:07] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[11:07] <uMkulu> keywords is backports bugzilla games restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers restart root
[11:08] <hayden> i found it under synaptics under mplayer-fonts
[11:08] <scizzo> hayden: :)
[11:08] <neom> Add "man - to view the manual of most commands, type 'man command'."
[11:08] <neom> and one about command --help also
[11:08] <hayden> with an s at the end
[11:08] <thoreauputic> neom: OK :)
[11:09] <Summerborn> Have any of you found the picture the australian school that had put ubuntu as there operating system for the pc lab
[11:09] <Summerborn> there have been about 30th pc's all running ubuntu
[11:09] <Summerborn> :)
[11:09] <neom> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/images/pembroke-ubuntu-lab.jpg
[11:09] <Summerborn> 10x a lot
[11:10] <hayden> that photo looks fake
[11:11] <neom> It isn't.
[11:11] <hayden> yea just saying it looks fake
[11:11] <neom> oh
[11:11] <neom> :\
[11:14] <Summerborn> Bye guys.
[11:14] <neom> If that wolf dude comes back, remind him about sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and also dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[11:14] <neom> And if that dosn't work he maybe dosn't have the gnome package and should maybe get that also..
[11:15] <neom> just a suggestion.
[11:15] <cef> mako: those cd's FINALLY turned up btw. NFI what took so damn long
[11:16] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: man
[11:16] <uMkulu> somebody said man was to view the manual of most commands, type 'man command'
[11:16] <cef> 3 & 1/2 months to ship a package to australia is nuts!
[11:19] <Pluk> sending free cds to australia is nuts :P
[11:19] <hayden> im in aus
[11:21] <stingaa> ok im close to going back to windows
[11:22] <Neil3> fair enough
[11:22] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: free
[11:22] <uMkulu> free is "Free" as in "free speech", or "freedom", not "gratis" or "for free" - see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
[11:22] <johnnybezak> the threats hehe :)
[11:23] <stingaa> ubuntu is like...anti wireless
[11:23] <shock> lol
[11:24] <shock> quote for truth!
[11:24] <welly> stingaa, how do you work that out?
[11:24] <johnnybezak> stingaa: whats the problem
[11:24] <welly> it works for me
[11:24] <welly> and there aren't even linux drivers for my wireless card
[11:24] <welly> (ndiswrapper)
[11:24] <stingaa> it doesnt want to connect to my network using a usb network adapter
[11:25] <welly> oh ok.. i wouldn't know about that
[11:25] <clambie> hello there
[11:26] <Xer> hi
[11:27] <uMkulu> hola, Xer
[11:27] <tga> any other unfortunate souls here using a Radeon 320M or 340M?
[11:27] <Xer> hi mkulu
[11:28] <Xer> wich kernel is good to use it for ubuntu?
[11:28] <hayden> where can i find a wireless mini pci card that'll work with ubuntu?
[11:29] <Xer> in google.com
[11:29] <hayden> my vigor 560 pcmcia wireless card doesnt work with it
[11:29] <hayden> google.com doesnt sell them
[11:29] <welly> isn't there a list of compatible hardware somewhere?
[11:30] <welly> www.linux-tested.com
[11:31] <hayden> ok ill take a look
[11:31] <welly> www.linuxcompatible.org
[11:31] <Ubuntu> howdy ho
[11:31] <hayden> hi
[11:31] <uMkulu> niihau, hayden
[11:32] <Ubuntu> Das ist eine Ubuntu channel , ja ??
[11:32] <hayden> hai
[11:32] <zeedo> Ubuntu: ja, aber englisch gesprachen
[11:32] <Ubuntu> gut
[11:32] <Ubuntu> :)
[11:33] <hayden> gut ja
[11:33] <Ubuntu> cause I dont speak any german :)
[11:33] <Ubuntu> Can I get automount in ubuntu like in xandros or gentoo, so that it would automagically moutn ALL my partitions
[11:33] <Ubuntu> ... without editing fstab myself
[11:34] <tuxyRochefort> hi
[11:34] <zeedo> Ubuntu: hats pretty good because I suck at it too :-D
[11:34] <tuxyRochefort> can anyone help me to get my printer work with cups
[11:34] <stingaa> 5 hours now that ima trying to fix this
[11:35] <tuxyRochefort> i have an epson epl5200 laser printer and i can't get it work :/
[11:35] <scizzo> stingaa: found nothing?
[11:35] <scizzo> stingaa: its taking me 2 days to fix 2 servers in mutt to actually work.. ;)
[11:35] <DeadZed> my Epson inkjet works fine :)
[11:35] <stingaa> it just doesnt want to fing connect
[11:35] <stingaa> thats different
[11:35] <stingaa> i can make this connect to my lan....its simple...get and ip...and connect...
[11:36] <Xer> how to mount fat32 system?
[11:36] <stingaa> why cant linux devs learn the concept of "user freindly"
[11:36] <tuxyRochefort> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-EPL-5200   <--- i've put the ppd driver in /usr/share/cups/model/ and it doesn't works :/
[11:36] <DeadZed> zeedo howcome you speak german if youre in UK??
[11:36] <scizzo> Xer: mount -t vfat /dev/hdx /mountpoint
[11:37] <zeedo> DeadZed: because in the UK we have to learn a second language at school
[11:37] <welly> deadzed, there are about 15 people in the uk that speak a language other than english, he must be one of them
[11:37] <DeadZed> Ive lived in ondon for 2 years .. no one speaks other than english
[11:37] <cef> heya Lathiat
[11:37] <Lathiat> Can someone tell me the minimum sort of stuff i'd need installed to get a nice QT theme for dcgui-qt? Don't want to install like all of kde :)
[11:37] <Lathiat> cef: hey :)
[11:37] <Xer> scizzo can you tell me if the driver is /dev/hda1 ?
[11:37] <Lathiat> cef: coming to lca?
[11:38] <cef> Lathiat: yup!
[11:38] <welly> << is from the UK (but living in france).. I don't know a solitary person who speaks another language to any great skill
[11:38] <Lathiat> sweet
[11:38] <scizzo> Xer: that depends on how you have done the partitioning
[11:38] <welly> a solitary person in the UK that ios
[11:38] <cef> Lathiat: driving from melb. going to UbuntuDownUnder too
[11:38] <Lathiat> cef: mmm, wish i could goto UDU
[11:38] <scizzo> Xer: if you: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[11:38] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: german
[11:38] <uMkulu> rumour has it german is a good way to communicate, but better in #ubuntu-de
[11:38] <Lathiat> cant relaly afford accomodation and stuff
[11:38] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: french
[11:38] <hayden> cef: where is that at?
[11:38] <uMkulu> i think french is a great language, but try #ubuntu-fr
[11:38] <tuxyRochefort> anyone on cups ?
[11:38] <scizzo> Xer: you should see which one is the partition for vfat
[11:38] <Lathiat> actually its in sydney isnt it? maybe i know someone ic an crash with hrmm
[11:39] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: spanish
[11:39] <uMkulu> spanish is a beautiful language, but try #ubuntu-es
[11:39] <clambie> hello anybody there knows how can i install chikka to ubuntu platform?
[11:39] <Lathiat> flight home is gonna hurt too
[11:39] <welly> my french is getting there.. i'm still struggling a bit
[11:39] <DeadZed> tuxyRochefort I could only get my epson printer to work in debian with cups
[11:40] <DeadZed> uMkulu: mount
[11:40] <uMkulu> DeadZed: what?
[11:40] <DeadZed> uMkulu: how are you
[11:40] <uMkulu> just great
[11:40] <cef> hayden: sydney
[11:40] <DeadZed> hah :)
[11:40] <hayden> ah ok
[11:40] <cef> hayden: week after lca
[11:40] <hayden> lca?
[11:41] <cef> linux conference of australia
[11:41] <hayden> ahh ok
[11:41] <DeadZed> uMkulu: help
[11:41] <tuxyRochefort> DeadZed, i have an epson printer too : epl5200. And it's writtent that this printer works perfectly in linuxprinting.org ... :/
[11:41] <clambie> who knows here how to install chikka to ubuntu
[11:41] <cef> http://lca2005.linux.org.au/
[11:41] <tuxyRochefort> DeadZed, http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-EPL-5200
[11:41] <clambie> please lend me a help
[11:41] <cef> hayden: which is in Canberra this year
[11:41] <clambie> please
[11:41] <clambie> please
[11:41] <clambie> please
[11:42] <DeadZed> tuxyRochefort just keep trying .. Im sure there is a solution in goole .. I doubt someone can tell you what to do exactly
[11:42] <DeadZed> *google
[11:42] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: type uMkulu keywords (short list so far)
[11:42] <tuxyRochefort> DeadZed, ok :/
[11:43] <Jentoo000> i need help
[11:44] <Lathiat> cef: also , UDU doesn't fall in my uni break week like LCA does, so thatd suck a bit too
[11:44] <DeadZed> uMkulu keywords
[11:44] <cef> Lathiat: doh!
[11:44] <uMkulu> DeadZed: huh?
[11:44] <DeadZed> whatever
[11:44] <Jentoo000> im trying to install emule and, it says on the install.txt that you should ./configure after you unzipped the .zip file, I've tried a million times but it says Permission Denied
[11:45] <Lathiat> Jentoo000: chmod u+x configure and then try it
[11:45] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[11:45] <uMkulu> well, keywords is australia backports bugzilla free french games german restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers restart root spanish man
[11:45] <DeadZed> Jentoo000 why not "apt-get install amule" ??
[11:45] <Lathiat> Jentoo000: but if thats an issue, you probably gonna have a few more -- if there is a .tar.gz youd be better off with that
[11:45] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: I just told him to forget keywords ;-)
[11:45] <cef> is uMkulu a blootbot, or some other variety?
[11:46] <Jentoo000> wtf when i pressed that the ./configure button doesnt work
[11:46] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: what are you?
[11:46] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: bugger all, i dunno
[11:46] <thoreauputic> haha
[11:46] <thoreauputic> he's an infobot
[11:46] <thoreauputic> I believe
[11:46] <DeadZed> uMkulu what is google
[11:46] <uMkulu> deadzed: i haven't a clue
[11:46] <DeadZed> daa
[11:46] <DeadZed> not a good infobot
[11:47] <DeadZed> it seems
[11:47] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: good point - I'l add a google entry
[11:47] <Jentoo000> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:47] <Jentoo000> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:47] <Jentoo000> E: Couldn't find package emule
[11:47] <DeadZed> uMkulu define linux
[11:47] <uMkulu> DeadZed: huh?
[11:47] <Alessio> anyone who uses mame or gxmame?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: he's only a very young infobot ;)
[11:47] <DeadZed> :)
[11:47] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: needs teaching
[11:47] <DeadZed> It looks like that yes
[11:48] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: feel free to /msg him with new info
[11:48] <DeadZed> Alessio Ive tried mame in win
[11:49] <thoreauputic>   /msg uMkulu foo is <definition here>
[11:49] <Jentoo000> where can i find a downloading program ... lime wire?
[11:50] <welly> anyone develop metacity themes?
[11:50] <DeadZed> Jentoo000 google limewire f f sake
[11:50] <welly> or has done? because i'm a little confused about the shaded types
[11:50] <Jentoo000> DeadZed: I want DC++ lime wire sux
[11:51] <DeadZed> use amule or bittorent
[11:51] <DeadZed> uMkulu what is google
[11:51] <uMkulu> google is, like, Currently the most important spidering search engine by far, Google is dominating the search engine market
[11:51] <thoreauputic> whoever did the google definition - care to add the URL for those we need to point there?
[11:51] <Jentoo000> amule or emule?
[11:51] <Alessio> DeadZed, not in ubuntu?
[11:51] <DeadZed> amule is better they say
[11:51] <DeadZed> emule is win
[11:51] <DeadZed> in linux amule, xmule
[11:52] <clambie> i cant find the soulutions in google how to install chikka (a text messaging) to my ubuntu platform, anybody there who can help me
[11:52] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: google
[11:52] <uMkulu> hmmm... google is http://google.com , Currently the most important spidering search engine by far, Google is dominating the search engine market...
[11:53] <DeadZed> aah
[11:53] <Jentoo000> hmm everyone uses google
[11:53] <DeadZed> how do I give him address as well
[11:53] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: some people don't know :)
[11:53] <DeadZed> thoreauputic how did you update that definition
[11:53] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: I just did
[11:53] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: told him to forget the other one ;)
[11:54] <DeadZed> how?
[11:54] <DeadZed> can I do that?
[11:54] <bzozula> can someone help me setup a parralel port scanner - xane is not seeing it at all...have tried googling but nothing seems to be working....the parralel port printer attached to the scanner is working fine.
[11:54] <thoreauputic> forget google
[11:54] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: I forgot google
[11:54] <DeadZed> aah
[11:54] <DeadZed> ok
[11:54] <thoreauputic> like that
[11:54] <Jentoo000> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[11:54] <Jentoo000> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:54] <Jentoo000> what does this mean
[11:55] <Jentoo000> i tried ./configure... doesnt work im getting sick of these errors
[11:55] <mjr> apt-get install build-essential
[11:55] <Jentoo000> what does that do
[11:55] <mjr> installs a C++ compiler
[11:55] <DeadZed> bzozula maybe it needs some other driver/module?
[11:55] <mjr> among other things
[11:56] <topyli> bzozula: does it work as root?
[11:56] <Jentoo000> cool thanks it works :) thanks mjr
[11:56] <Xer> ahi
[11:56] <topyli> bzozula: with parallel scanners you may have to setup saned and use it through the net interface
[11:56] <Xer> hi
[11:56] <Jentoo000> configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found
[11:56] <Jentoo000>  :( another error OMG!
[11:57] <uMkulu> what's up, Xer
[11:57] <Xer> nathings much , and u?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: be
[11:58] <uMkulu> i think be is sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:58] <bzozula> topyli : never thought to try as root.  Just tried it and yes, it does work as root.
[11:58] <Jentoo000> ?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: australia
[11:58] <uMkulu> australia is probably the place to be!
[11:58] <hayden> why is that?
[11:59] <bzozula> topyli : How do I get it working for a normal user?
[11:59] <DeadZed> uMkulu yes why
[11:59] <uMkulu> DeadZed: i'm not following you...
[11:59] <Jentoo000> no peer found? what does this mean
[11:59] <topyli> bzozula: you need to setup saned. then users can use it through the 'net' backend
[11:59] <Jentoo000> what is zlib?
[12:01] <johnnybezak> Jentoo000: according to the man page zlib - compression/decompression library
[12:02] <Jentoo000> configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found
[12:02] <Jentoo000> why is it unabled to use zlib?
[12:02] <johnnybezak> Jentoo000: is it installed
[12:03] <Jentoo000> im not sure i tried apt-get install zlib but it said file not found
[12:04] <DeadZed> How do I make ubuntu to automount ALL my partitions without editing fstab myself?
[12:04] <Jentoo000> *yawn* guess thats enough for linuxc
[12:04] <Jentoo000> cya guys
[12:04] <DeadZed> like xandros or gentoo automount
[12:07] <Xer> i will change to lilo
[12:07] <Xer> can anyone tell me how i can do it?
[12:07] <Xer>  plz?
[12:07] <Nermal> to do what ?
[12:07] <Nermal> and why lilo not grub ?
[12:07] <DeadZed> Xer pat-get install lilo ?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drx
[12:07] <uMkulu> drx is reconfigure X with `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`  ( or xserver-xorg in Hoary)
[12:07] <Xer> %c2 to use lilo
[12:07] <Nermal> use grub
[12:08] <Nermal> and use it do what
[12:08] <Xer> i dont like grub
[12:08] <Xer> lilo<- is goood
[12:08] <Nermal> it's better than lilo IMHO
[12:08] <Xer> i know
[12:08] <Xer> lilo , i can use splash screen with it :>
[12:08] <Nermal> what do you want to do with it
[12:08] <DeadZed> uMkulu, drx
[12:08] <uMkulu> drx is reconfigure X with `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`  ( or xserver-xorg in Hoary)
[12:08] <Xer> lilo , i can use splash screen with it :>
[12:08] <Nermal> you can with grub
[12:09] <Xer> ha!
[12:09] <Xer> really?
[12:09] <Xer> lol
[12:09] <scizzo> yes
[12:09] <hank> Any one a gun at using the make feature ? I know this sounds lazy but there isn't some kind of compilation program is there?
[12:09] <scizzo> you can use splashscreen in grub
[12:09] <Nermal> NSS
[12:09] <Xer> how to do it?!!!
[12:09] <DeadZed> thoreauputic, howcome drx = reconfigure X with `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`  ( or xserver-xorg in Hoary)
[12:10] <Nermal> hank, wtf ?
[12:10] <pro> hank, you mean make to compile source code?
[12:10] <hayden> yea how come
[12:10] <Nermal> ./configure && make && make install
[12:10] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: just shorthand keyword - it gets asked every 15 minutes
[12:10] <Nermal> or rather sudo make install
[12:10] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: maybe not the best choice
[12:10] <DeadZed> oh .. just for you?
[12:10] <DeadZed> to get it printed
[12:10] <hank> no no, I have just opened up a tar.gz file and it made a file that I apparently need to 'make config'
[12:10] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: well, if you want to add one, feel free
[12:11] <selinium_> Hi all, how do i make thunderbird my default mail package?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: no need to change that one though
[12:11] <Nermal> hank, which tarball ?
[12:11] <DeadZed> thoreauputic do you know how to install automout to ubuntu?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> maybe reconfigure
[12:11] <Nermal> so type make config ?
[12:11] <Nermal> selinium_, its in the gnome apps prefs
[12:11] <hank> I've downloaded this package that supposedly helps to configure and drive wireless network carsds
[12:11] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Hi there! Glad to see you!
[12:11] <Nermal> "preferred applications" iirc
[12:11] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: no, I just edit fstab - I'm used to it I gues
[12:11] <Nermal> hank, read the README
[12:11] <thoreauputic> *guess
[12:12] <DeadZed> k
[12:12] <hank> I'm sorry, just installed linux for first time today
[12:12] <Nermal> and INSTALL
[12:12] <thoreauputic> hi selinium_
[12:12] <Nermal> then don't try to configure wireless network card driveers from source ;)
[12:12] <johnnybezak> hank: welcome! :)
[12:12] <hank> yeah, I read the readme but it directed me to use the make config command which doesn't do anything.
[12:12] <selinium_> Nermal: how do i get to there?
[12:12] <Nermal> which wifi card do you have
[12:12] <hank> I guess I'm missing the right parameter
[12:12] <hank> sIts a generic 802.11b
[12:12] <Nermal> selinium_, *sigh* SYSTEM -> PREFERENCES
[12:12] <DeadZed> hank was it ndiswrapper?
[12:12] <hank> thanks!
[12:13] <Nermal> apt-get install ndiswrapper?
[12:13] <selinium_> Nermal: Sorry, i have been using linux for about two weeks now....
[12:13] <hank> Um, I tried ndiswrapper but i dont think I started with the right inf file er something
[12:13] <Nermal> selinium_, I just thought it was an obvious place to look ;)
[12:13] <DeadZed> hank maybe you need to read man pages or some help about it
[12:13] <scoon> anyone here use any logitech bluetooth stuff ?
[12:14] <johnnybezak> hank: what brand is it?
[12:14] <hank> yeah I'll check out the man page.
[12:14] <johnnybezak> hank: man pages arent very friendly there is probably somewhere better to find out
[12:14] <hank> Its an EXCEL IEEE 802.11b
[12:14] <Nermal> urrgh
[12:15] <Nermal> chipset ?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: I added "reconfigure" as a keyword for drx, BTW
[12:15] <hank> YEah I was acctually just reading the man page and was a little bewildered. I've got lots of homework now!
[12:15] <selinium_> Nermal: Cheers for the help!
[12:15] <Nermal> selinium_, np.. I'm tired, broke and I have a cold :|
[12:15] <hank> Um. Chipset? how would I determine that. Will it be on the card?
[12:15] <Nermal> well.. lspci ?
[12:15] <DeadZed> uMkulu, reconfigure x
[12:15] <uMkulu> DeadZed: huh?
[12:15] <Nermal> cardinfo ?
[12:15] <hank> get well selenium
[12:15] <hank> oh right, sorry
[12:16] <DeadZed> uMkulu, how to reconfigure x
[12:16] <uMkulu> DeadZed: excuse me?
[12:16] <hank> yeah its PCMCIA
[12:16] <Nermal> hmmmm
[12:16] <pro> uMkulu, time?
[12:16] <uMkulu> pro: i haven't a clue
[12:16] <selinium_> Nermal: If it helps, i just lost over two weeks work with a deadline on wednesday, when i would of only just completed everything if I hadn't junked my harddrive! Hope that cheers you up some!
[12:16] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: just reconfigure
[12:16] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: reconfigure
[12:16] <uMkulu> reconfigure is `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` or xserver-xorg in Hoary
[12:16] <DeadZed> uMkulu, reconfigure
[12:16] <uMkulu> reconfigure is `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` or xserver-xorg in Hoary
[12:17] <DeadZed> k
[12:17] <thoreauputic> yup
[12:17] <Nermal> selinium_, aye..
[12:17] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: I'm a lazy typist ;)
[12:17] <DeadZed> thoreauputic in Undernet #linuxhelp they got a really good bot
[12:17] <pro> uMkulu, time is <reply> $time
[12:17] <uMkulu> OK, pro.
[12:17] <pro> uMkulu, stats?
[12:17] <uMkulu> Since Fri Mar  4 12:50:15 2005, there have been 152 modifications and 107 questions.  I have been awake for 3 hours, 13 minutes, 33 seconds this session, and currently reference 95 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
[12:17] <selinium_> Nermal: Hopefully the wonders of coffe will pull me through!
[12:17] <DeadZed> and in #debian theyve got a good bot
[12:18] <Nermal> selinium_, aye.. I'm on shitty instant atm
[12:18] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: yeah, in #debian here on freenode too (this bot isn't mine, BTW)
[12:18] <hank> Has anyone any experience with configuring wireless network cards?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: this bot belongs to pro
[12:18] <DeadZed> thoreauputic Did you build uMkulu  yourself?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> AFAIK
[12:18] <johnnybezak> hank: there is a wireless how-to that might help you out on tldp.org (the linux documentation project)
[12:18] <johnnybezak> i can post a link to the pdf if you want
[12:18] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: see above - it's pro's bot
[12:18] <rubix_> whats the command to update distro?
[12:19] <cef> DeadZed: dpkg on #debian has been around for a very long time.. lots of people have trained it well
[12:19] <rubix_> its like apt-get update-dist or something like that i can't exactly remember
[12:19] <Nermal> dist-upgrade
[12:19] <rubix_> ok, thank you
[12:19] <Nermal> after apt-get update
[12:19] <thoreauputic> rubix_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:19] <selinium_> Cheers all for the help. Back to the grind... See you all soon, probably!
[12:19] <javiolo> can anyone help me on a apache server
[12:20] <selinium_> javiolo: depends...
[12:20] <Xer> http://www.bootsplash.org/silent-mode.jpg <<<--- anyone know how to do this with grub?
[12:20] <DeadZed> javiolo Im sure they got their own channel
[12:20] <DeadZed> full of apache fans
[12:21] <javiolo> well its about sharing to internet
[12:21] <javiolo> i have to redirect any port? i have a router
[12:21] <selinium_> javiolo: Install firestarter and open your http port 80
[12:21] <thoreauputic> pro: I've added a few things - type keywords to see (some are from zenrox I think)
[12:22] <Xer> ...
[12:22] <javiolo> ok, thanks
[12:22] <bzozula> topyli : having difficuly getting saned setup to allow net access...any tips?
[12:22] <bzozula> topyli.  I can telnet in.
[12:22] <bzozula> topyli.  But xsane still doesn't work as a normal user...only root
[12:23] <topyli> bzozula: device permissions, i'd say. who owns /dev/lp0?
[12:23] <selinium_> javiolo: firestarter is just a gui front end for the ip tables. it is real easy to use. you can open other channels aswell for ftp and the like. Any probs 'beep' me.
[12:23] <javiolo> ok
[12:24] <Alessio> who use zsnes?
[12:24] <selinium_> javiola: tio beep me just type my handle in ok
[12:24] <Xer> anyone here know about splash screen's ?
[12:24] <javiolo> but i didnt touch iptables before, i dunno whats confired there, but shouldnt work if only open the port 80 to muy unbutu ?
[12:24] <bzozula> topyli.  root
[12:24] <Alessio> why aren't a lot of dependencies?
[12:24] <Nermal>  You are being CTCP flooded from Xer, ignoring *!*@lab212.emirates.net.ae
[12:24] <Nermal> ahhh :)
[12:25] <Xer> thanks :>
[12:25] <Xer> the only way to talk to
[12:25] <Xer> :P
[12:25] <selinium_> javiolo: was it working before then?
[12:25] <Nermal> hmm.. /me fetches some hoary updates
[12:25] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: time
[12:25] <uMkulu> 16:11:37 2005
[12:25] <pro> thoreauputic, no problem, if i were not so busy here at work, i would also try add stuff
[12:25] <topyli> bzozula: read further. just checked, group lp owns it too. :) so make your users part of the lp group
[12:25] <DeadZed> I have found bugs in my hoary .. should I report those? .. like synaptic crashes without installing packages and fileroller makes x to crash
[12:25] <thoreauputic> pro: I just put in some answers to common questions
[12:26] <Xer> http://www.bootsplash.org/silent-mode.jpg <<<--- anyone know how to do this with grub?
[12:26] <thoreauputic> or useful answers to vague questions *g*
[12:26] <pro> ok, cool
[12:26] <Xer> ,http://www.bootsplash.org/silent-mode.jpg <<<--- anyone know how to do this with grub?
[12:26] <pro> uMkulu, synaptic ?
[12:26] <uMkulu> pro: no idea
[12:26] <thoreauputic> missed that one!
[12:27] <DeadZed> Xer if kernel doesnt have bootsplash support built in .. you cant
[12:27] <cef> ultrafunk: argh!!!
[12:27] <Xer>  haaaaaaaaaA!
[12:27] <DeadZed> otherwise, I dont know
[12:27] <pro> synaptic is <reply> synaptic is the packagemanager GUI on dpkg based systems
[12:27] <Xer>  soo i need to upgrade ;|
[12:27] <thenuke> Xer: google for ubuntu bootsplash
[12:27] <DeadZed> yes
[12:27] <thenuke> or search ubuntus forums
[12:27] <bzozula> topyli.  ok added, will I need to logout and in again to activate or is there a quicker way?
[12:27] <Skid> does ubuntu store the kernel source, if you install the kernel via apt?@
[12:28] <Nermal> no
[12:28] <Nermal> you have to install that seperately
[12:28] <Xer>  But i still can use gnub for splash screen?
[12:28] <Nermal> YES
[12:28] <Nermal> for the 5th time
[12:28] <DeadZed> Xer this splash screen has NOTHING to do with grub
[12:28] <britishseapower> my sister has a small language school and they have 5 "student" pcs (basically for IM and browsing)...win98 is constantly getting them infected with viruses and i am fed up with it. I want to try to remove the HDDs and put ubuntu live cd on them...is this gonna work for me?
[12:28] <Xer> ...
[12:28] <DeadZed> its linux start-up splash
[12:28] <Nermal> bootsplash is kernel
[12:28] <topyli> bzozula: you just need a new login shell
[12:29] <DeadZed> Xer listen to Nermal
[12:29] <topyli> bzozula: like 'xterm -ls'
[12:29] <Nermal> grub menu splash is grub, bootsplash is kernel
[12:29] <Xer> id like to use splash screeen , its look good
[12:29] <Xer> nermal?
[12:29] <Nermal> Xer, a boot splash screen ?
[12:29] <Xer> he ignored me soo i ingnored him
[12:29] <DeadZed> yes
[12:29] <Nermal> Xer, then you're not going to get much help are you
[12:29] <Xer> do i have to unignored him?
[12:29] <DeadZed> he wants boot splash
[12:29] <topyli> bzozula: then do 'scanimage -L'
[12:30] <Xer>  Nermal!*@* removed from ignore list.
[12:30] <Nermal> xchat chose to ignore you as you flooded me with CTCP requests... not my choice :P{
[12:30] <Xer> lol
[12:30] <britishseapower> is it gonna work...a live cd...without an hdd in the machine ?
[12:30] <Xer> sooo whats you was saying?
[12:30] <DeadZed> Xer Nermal  told you million times what to do .. now go do it
[12:30] <thenuke> britishseapower: try on your own machine
[12:30] <Xer> i ignored him ;] 
[12:31] <Xer> tell me again
[12:31] <Xer> :P
[12:31] <DeadZed> hah
[12:31] <Nermal> I'm not sure if the ubuntu kernel supports bootsplash
[12:31] <DeadZed> stupid
[12:31] <britishseapower> thenuke: but theres no problem with it in theory..?
[12:31] <Xer> lol
[12:31] <britishseapower> thenuke: good idea though...i will try it
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Xer: stop using your return key as punctuation, *please*
[12:31] <thenuke> britishseapower: I dont know about that
[12:31] <Xer> lol
[12:31] <Xer> why?
[12:32] <DeadZed> Xer Is bootsplash REALLY the most appealing feature of linux ?
[12:32] <Skid> does ubuntu store a make.conf or similar for the kernel anywhere
[12:32] <Nermal> Xer, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
[12:32] <Skid> so I can see what options hav ebeen built in?
[12:32] <Nermal> follow the link to the debian howto
[12:32] <Nermal> but please heed the "Now, I'll not go into how to get bootsplash working, it's not trivial...." warning
[12:32] <Xer> dead z , no but its i think its will loook goood :)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: especially as it only gets seen when one updates the kernel every few *months*
[12:33] <thoreauputic> I can hardly wait :/
[12:33] <chris_Jack> I have just installed Ubuntu and totem does not work, any suggestions
[12:34] <britishseapower> how supported are "realtek" wifi cards in ubuntu?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> doesn't work
[12:34] <uMkulu> doesn't work is, like, not a very useful error message - can you be more specific, please
[12:34] <britishseapower> pci
[12:34] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: doesn't work
[12:34] <uMkulu> hmmm... doesn't work is not a very useful error message - can you be more specific, please...
[12:34] <Nermal> chris_Jack, define "doesn't work"
[12:34] <thoreauputic> ah, the nick is not needee
[12:34] <DeadZed> yes, my totem doesnt start either
[12:35] <chris_Jack> hang on
[12:35] <Nermal> segfault ?
[12:35] <DeadZed> it says "resource busy" or something
[12:35] <chris_Jack> back in sec
[12:35] <chris_Jack> failed to open reason unknown
[12:36] <DeadZed> Totem doesnt start, - error "Resource busy or not available."
[12:36] <DeadZed> latest hoary cd install
[12:36] <selinium_> britshseapower: doesn't work was aimed at somebody else i think!
[12:37] <DeadZed> should I report bugs in hoary?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> DeadZed: indeed
[12:37] <britishseapower> selinium_: ok.
[12:37] <thoreauputic> bugzilla
[12:37] <uMkulu> somebody said bugzilla was http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <DeadZed> chris_Jack I'll try to ap-get install xine
[12:39] <hayden> has anyone figured out the bootsplash?
[12:39] <chris_Jack> ok
[12:39] <Nermal> hayden, read the debian howto
[12:39] <hayden> link?
[12:40] <Nermal> http://www.desktop-linux.net/bootsplash.htm
[12:40] <Nermal> or scroll up *rolls eyes*
[12:40] <britishseapower> How supported are Realtek PCI wifi cards (Realtek RTL8180) in ubuntu? Is anybody running one successfully?
[12:41] <scaroo_> hi ppl ! is it my eyes or the latest gtk update slowed down a lot redrawing speed ?
[12:41] <Nermal> britishseapower, would depend on the chipset
[12:41] <Skid> what's the difference between kernel-headers, and kernel-image ?
[12:41] <Nermal> unless that is the chipset ;)
[12:41] <britishseapower> that is the chipset! :-)
[12:42] <Nermal> Skid, kernel headers are the headers for the kernel source - used for compiling things against the kernel.. kernel image is the actual compiled kernel image that runs
[12:42] <britishseapower> i'd love it if the livecd dhcpd that nic out of the box!
[12:42] <Nermal> headers are basically function declarations
[12:42] <Skid> ah
[12:42] <Skid> so you can't get the kernelsource via apt?
[12:42] <Nermal> I think
[12:42] <Nermal> sure :)
[12:42] <Skid> I can't seem to see it
[12:42] <Skid> kernel-source-2.6.6 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.6 with Debian patches
[12:42] <Skid> nm
[12:42] <Skid> my mistake :P
[12:43] <Skid> still, I feel more bleeding edge heh
[12:43] <fsc> BrianAnthony, 8180 will run under ndiswrapper. realtek has native(closed) drivers for 2.4.x kernels...and not sure if they ever got around to releasing 2.6.x kernels
[12:43] <Nermal> Skid, I have 2.6.9 available to me
[12:43] <thenuke> Nermal: do you happen to know if one can use that debians bootsplash guide with ubuntu? I guess that only possible problem would be in compiling kernel? but is it?
[12:43] <fsc> britishseapower, rather
[12:43] <Skid> I can't see it in there, warty?
[12:43] <Skid> I've stable in my reps though
[12:43] <fsc> britishseapower, i'm running under a 8180 right now
[12:43] <Nermal> thenuke, seeing as ubuntu warty started from a sid snapshot, I believe so
[12:43] <britishseapower> fsc: - yeah ?
[12:44] <fsc> hmm...device manager is crashy now
[12:44] <Nermal> kernel could be different.. not sure if the ubuntu kernel has bootsplash support
[12:44] <Nermal> the kernel on the livecd does
[12:44] <thenuke> Nermal: ok. I guess that only possible problem that I can think of is that if the ubuntus kernel would not ship with configs :)
[12:44] <britishseapower> fsc: my sister is really not echnical and i want her to try ubuntu on her wifi network...what steps do you need to configure the 8180 with the live cd?
[12:45] <fsc> britishseapower, live cd might be tricky.  you'll have to get the windows .inf and .sys driver files, and install ndiswrapper
[12:45] <Nermal> thenuke, peter@ubuntu:/boot$ cat config-2.6.10-3-686 |grep -i bootsplash
[12:45] <Nermal> peter@ubuntu:/boot$
[12:45] <Nermal> :(
[12:45] <britishseapower> fsc: - k, gotit
[12:45] <britishseapower> fsc: - i think i might need a trip down to see her to sort this out
[12:45] <fsc> britishseapower, most definitely
[12:45] <britishseapower> fsc: - good to know that it does work with ndis wrapper though
[12:46] <britishseapower> fsc: catch 22...could ssh in...but no nic no ssh...and vice versa.
[12:46] <fsc> britishseapower, heck it works better under ndiswrapper than under windows for me.  windows wants to constantly hop around other wireless networks for me, but probably not a driver problem, but windows wireless management issue
[12:47] <chris_Jack> have to go catchew later
[12:50] <britishseapower> fsc: ok...good info
[12:51] <javiolo> anyone here uses firestarter ?
[12:52] <britishseapower> fsc: do you know if ndiswrapper comes on the livecd?
[12:52] <Xappe> javiolo, i tried it a couple of days ago, but it was a horrorshow, didn't allow me to do anything so I got rid of it
[12:53] <Xappe> now I use shorewall with grat success! :)
[12:53] <javiolo> xappe do know a good one if its possible a easy one
[12:54] <Xappe> shorewall is very good, and you should be able to set it up with the example files that follows with the shorewall-doc package
[12:54] <Xappe> it's not graphical though, so u have to edit some files to get it going
[12:54] <javiolo> :O
[12:54] <javiolo> any graphical ?
[12:55] <Skid> youknow RC's, will RC4 for example, contain patches of RC1,2, and 3?
[12:55] <Skid> for patching a kernel, or do I need to patch RC1, then 2, then 3, etc
[12:55] <thoreauputic> Xappe, javiolo, I think firestarter is fine as an easy to use firewall for a basic install
[12:56] <javiolo> the problem is i cant open it via menu
[12:56] <thoreauputic> javiolo: try it out and see if it does what you need - it has a wizard setup and is trivially simple
[12:56] <javiolo> cos its says my root pass its invalid
[12:56] <Nermal> it will be
[12:56] <javiolo> but it works on terminal
[12:56] <Nermal> you won't have one
[12:56] <Xappe> thoreauputic, for some maybe, not for me :)
[12:57] <Skid> what's the horay array-6 stuff?
[12:57] <Skid> intopic too
[12:57] <thoreauputic> javiolo: ah, yes - try starting from a terminal with `gksudo firestarter`
[12:57] <javiolo> gksudo ?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> javiolo: should work with your pass
[12:57] <javiolo> i used sudo
[12:57] <thoreauputic> gksudo is a front end for sudo
[12:58] <thoreauputic> it pops up a box
[12:58] <javiolo> but its normal the first time i run it that prints a lot of errors on terminal
[12:58] <javiolo> it cant find some files
[12:58] <iapx> oila
[12:59] <iapx> is hoary out still?
[01:01] <underlord> is there something i can use to probe xfree86 (or directly my nvidia geforce 2 mx 64meg, official drivers installed) and get details to use in xfree config like resolutions? or better yet write my config using the data?
[01:02] <Nermal> underlord, xorgconfig ? xf86config ?
[01:02] <fsc> britishseapower, not sure. never used it
[01:02] <underlord> ok, i'll try those
[01:03] <iapx> underlord, is a laptop?
[01:03] <underlord> desktop
[01:03] <fsc> oh nice...it looks like sourceforge cvs is down for maintenance again
[01:04] <underlord> but im feeling to lazy to google about my hardware and figure it all out
[01:04] <thoreauputic> reconfigure
[01:04] <uMkulu> i think reconfigure is `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` or xserver-xorg in Hoary
[01:04] <thoreauputic> underlord: ^^^
[01:04] <underlord> im in warty
[01:04] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:04] <thoreauputic> in warty
[01:05] <underlord> well i just installed my nvidia drivers, will i need to enable those again after?
[01:05] <djp> hi all
[01:05] <Nermal> uh.. thats just changing nv to nvidia in the config file
[01:05] <underlord> ok
[01:05] <underlord> ty
[01:06] <thoreauputic> have you already edited the config file? If so the dpkg-reconfigure won't have any effect
[01:06] <kcs> hile, my epiphany always starts with offline mode, any idea why?
[01:06] <underlord> no, i havent manualy edited it
[01:07] <kcs> hi i wanna say
[01:07] <thoreauputic> ok, well that command will still work, but as for the nvidia thing. I don't know
[01:08] <thoreauputic> kcs: change your home page?
[01:08] <uMkulu> thoreauputic: that doesn't look right
[01:08] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: what?
[01:08] <uMkulu> wish i knew, thoreauputic
[01:08] <padlefot> hi guys :)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> a bot that corrects!
[01:08] <kcs> thoreauputic, but with save session too
[01:09] <djp> i have just upgraded a fresh install to hoary hedgehog and in the process of installing linux-k7 to optimise my install with my athlon processor. however i receive the following message when trying to install linux-k7, WARNING! The following packages cannot be authenticated! linux-image-2.6.10-4-k7 linux-image-k7 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-k7  linux-restricted-modules-k7 linux-k7 Install these packages without verificatio
[01:09] <djp> n? [y/N] . Should I just answer 'y' and let the packages install without authentication or is this a problem?
[01:09] <kcs> saved
[01:10] <Bastard> Hello. Sitting down, installing Ubuntu (on a laptop) Comming to the network configuration dialog, And here i choose my wireless card, Works fine, gives it the ESSID, And the the WEP, Dosent work. Ok. So ill do itt all over again, But rem,oving every bit of security by removing thw WEP Encryption from the AP, Then choosing the wlan card, and gives no WEP, And damn., it works,
[01:11] <avirox> hi all
[01:11] <Bastard> But! I MUST Have security...
[01:11] <avirox> i have the latest AMD64 build of ubuntu
[01:11] <Bastard> What to do?
[01:11] <avirox> but I'm wondering if there's a way to stop it from synchronising the clock when booting up
[01:12] <underlord> whats a meta key? i thought that was the "logo" key.... or is the "logo" key what i should think of as "super"?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> underlord: yeah I think the logo key is "super"
[01:13] <virtuald> a meta key is a key on sun keyboards, it looks like a filled square like this <>
[01:13] <djp> can anybody help me with my authentication problem?!
[01:13] <underlord> oooooh
[01:13] <selinium_> avirox: there is something one the clock at www.ubuntuguide.org i dont konw if that will help?
[01:13] <underlord> what what about the thing thats a square with circles at each corner on mac? is that also super?
[01:13] <kcs> ok, another question ;) my d letter is not working
[01:13] <thoreauputic> djp: do you know which repository they come from?
[01:14] <dud> avirox, remove the ntp-server startup script
[01:14] <thoreauputic> djp: apt-cache policy <packagename> should show you their origin
[01:15] <thoreauputic> underlord: run xev to find out
[01:15] <avirox> selinium_, : thanks, but where do i put "sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/service_name" ?
[01:15] <underlord> ...i dont have a mac, i was just wondering, its good to not be talking bullshit when your trying to convert the apple users
[01:15] <selinium_> avirox: Applications / terminal
[01:15] <avirox> ty
[01:16] <avirox> what is the service name of the tiemr btw?
[01:16] <djp> thoreauputic: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[01:16] <avirox> hehe
[01:17] <hank> hey all. Can .mov be watched in ubuntu?
[01:17] <padlefot> whats the standard keyboard module?
[01:17] <padlefot> "keyboard" ?
[01:17] <virtuald> underlord: any key can be mapped to any function
[01:17] <thoreauputic> djp: should be fine then
[01:17] <avirox> oh! nevermind!
[01:17] <hayden> anyone here got a bootsplash for ubuntu (an easy one)
[01:17] <underlord> yes, i suppose
[01:18] <djp> thoreauputic: thanks for the advice and the apt-cache tip!
[01:18] <avirox> thank you very much selinium_
[01:18] <virtuald> (i don't know what the default function of that mac key is as i don't have a mac)
[01:18] <avirox> also, I am wondering how to mount my windows drives
[01:18] <selinium_> avorix: no problerm
[01:19] <selinium_> avirox: also at www.ubuntuguide.org I think you should have a read of that !
[01:19] <avirox> hehe k
[01:20] <selinium_> avirox: :P
[01:23] <kcs> my d letter is not working, i cant write d, any idea
[01:24] <wezzer> check your keyboard layot
[01:24] <wezzer> mine went accidentally to somekind of korean or something and then some of the letters didn't work
[01:24] <thoreauputic> kcs: how did you write "d" just then? hehe
[01:25] <kcs> thoreauputic: clipboar?
[01:25] <kcs> d
[01:25] <thoreauputic> ah I see :)
[01:26] <jba> hi guys
[01:26] <jba> have a grub question that I hope someone can answer?
[01:26] <hayden> what a program i can dload with apt-get to burn/copy cds with
[01:26] <jba> basically i have win2k with ntldr on disk 1, and wanted to chain load grub (for ubuntu) on second disk
[01:27] <mazzen> hi! i want to delete the package sun-j2sdk1.4.2 with dpkg --force-all -P sun-j2sdk1.4.2, but it fails. dpkg says to me ,,/usr/bin/idlj is missing, so it doesnt want to delete ist. but should dpkg --force-all -P sun-j2sdk1.4.2, do it, as it has the option --force-all?
[01:27] <pro> hayden, jigdo
[01:27] <jba> hayden, cdroast
[01:27] <thoreauputic> xcdroast I think
[01:28] <pro> ok, sorry i thought you asked what program will download and burn cd's for you
[01:28] <hayden> which is better?
[01:29] <jba> so can anyone help with grub issues?
[01:29] <Rajjan____> Dudes. Anyone with some knowledege of wifi + WEP Problems, Please talk to me...
[01:29] <thoreauputic> also a CD burner for warty is here (in the warty directory) http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[01:30] <thoreauputic> hayden: if you are using warty I suggest the link above
[01:30] <thoreauputic> you can install the .deb with sudo dpkg -i <nameofdeb>
[01:31] <scizzo> jba: just ask...don't try to find a specific person or ask to ask
[01:34] <hank> Has anyone had anyluck using ndiswrapper?
[01:34] <zeedo> hank: yep
[01:34] <zeedo> worked without issue for me
[01:35] <da_bon_bon> can i boot off an iso without installing it ?
[01:35] <hank> ahh, what's the approach I use the -i command with my windows driver. It says installed but then when I list it says, hardware not present
[01:35] <padlefot> da_bon_bon; yep, with the live cd's :P
[01:35] <hank> Holy shit, now it says present! woohoo! lemme fiddle. I'll be right bac
[01:36] <da_bon_bon> padlefot: i have an iso of a live cd!
[01:36] <padlefot> try it out then
[01:36] <kcs> my d letter is not working, i cant write d, can anyone help me? :) the last try
[01:36] <hank> Okay, it seems to say hardware present when I list now. Do I have to activate the device
[01:36] <hank> ?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> kcs: just as a way of seeing what the system thinks "d" is, try running xev and pressing the key
[01:37] <jba> my problem is this: i have win2k on disk 1 with ntldr, and grub installed on disk 2 (with ubuntu). I can't get win2k ntldr to successfully chainload grub)
[01:37] <thoreauputic> kcs: put the cursor in the xev box
[01:37] <jba> but i've been doing this fine with fc2 for ages\
[01:38] <kcs> thoreauputic: no symbol
[01:38] <thoreauputic> kcs: hmm
[01:38] <thoreauputic> dunno then
[01:38] <kcs> thoreauputic: its strage couse in in a Xnest winow i can write d
[01:38] <hank> zeedo, did you have to reboot or some such thing?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> kcs: it was just a shot in the dark...
[01:39] <kcs> thoreauputic: :) ok thx
[01:39] <thoreauputic> kcs: so it's an X server issue
[01:39] <zeedo> hank: nope
[01:39] <thoreauputic> xnest giving you a new X server...
[01:39] <kcs> thoreauputic: before i set ctrl+shift+d as shortcut in gnome
[01:39] <zeedo> hank: I just did this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645
[01:40] <hank> Ahh, lovely, thanks mate
[01:40] <thoreauputic> kcs: try unsetting it/
[01:40] <thoreauputic> ?
[01:40] <jesus\> mm
[01:41] <kcs> thoreauputic: i va one it
[01:41] <StoffBox-Steve> Good morning :)
[01:42] <hayden> hi
[01:42] <Rajjan____> Dudes. I Cant activate my wlancard/wlanconnection?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> topyli: haha
[01:43] <thoreauputic> reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where the guy couldn't say the letter "c" :D
[01:44] <kcs> topyli: :)
[01:44] <thoreauputic> I shouldn't laugh, I suppose, sorry kcs
[01:44] <topyli> should get you through the weekend :)
[01:44] <Pluk> xnest --display 1
[01:44] <Pluk> ooops
[01:45] <topyli> heh
[01:45] <thoreauputic> Pluk: Xnest -ac :1  perhaps?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> *g*
[01:45] <Pluk> ehehe
[01:45] <topyli> perhaps xnest 0110101101111010001011 :1 could help
[01:49] <hayden> has anyone got a ubuntu bootsplash?
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> hayden: damn difficult - u need to rebuild the kernel
[01:49] <kent> One thing i would love is that if the program which handles running GUI apps with sudo would show an icon of the program that is to be run, and not this icon of a lock. It would look much better..  :)
[01:50] <hayden> hmm
[01:50] <hayden> bugger
[01:50] <Skid> heh hayden I'm doing that as we speak :)
[01:51] <Arnald> there appear to be 30 files missing from array-6 with jigdo - I am using http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ as the source - any ideas?
[01:52] <Arnald> or am I just too late??
[01:52] <gareth_> uMkulu, you there?
[01:52] <hayden> if i wanted to dload the binary of a program that i can't get from apt-get and install it, what directory would i install it in?
[01:53] <stuNNed> hayden: /usr/local
[01:53] <Errejo> /usr/local
[01:53] <hayden> ok thanks
[01:53] <uMkulu> no idea, gareth_
[01:53] <hayden> and then i can just type 'appname' in terminal and it would run?>
[01:53] <stuNNed> hayden: if it's in bin or sbin for superuser of /usr/local dir yes
[01:53] <scaroo> hayden /usr/local/bin is in the path envvar so, yep
[01:54] <hayden> ok
[01:54] <virtuald> http://perl.sensei.nu/scripts/bullshit.pl
[01:54] <bestadvocate> hey guys how do you access the applications:/// folder in nautilus?
[01:54] <topyli> bestadvocate: ctl-l will give you the location bar to type in
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> hayden: if its a binary, just "dpkg -i NAME"
[01:55] <Skid> whats the diff between bin, and sbin?
[01:55] <pro> Skid, sbin is in roots path but not others, and bin is in everyones path
[01:55] <Skid> ah
[01:55] <Skid> fack, kernel just failed
[01:56] <stuNNed> isn't some sbin files in sudoers path as well?
[01:56] <hayden> da_bon_bon, i wanted to install mozilla-firefox 1.0.1
[01:56] <bestadvocate> topyli: why is "the location ... not valid"
[01:56] <topyli> sbin is in my path :)
[01:56] <pro> and the difference between /usr/bin or /usr/sbin is that thoes programs are not needed to boot the system
[01:56] <Funraiser> how can i set nautilus so that each time i open a new folder it's in the full screen size? can't find the option for that
[01:56] <hayden> and it comes with an installer
[01:56] <Funraiser> it always opens a small window
[01:56] <bestadvocate> topyli: oh and thanks for the idea, I did not know you could do that
[01:57] <pro> and /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/sbin are where programs not shipped with the distro are supposed to go,
[01:57] <topyli> bestadvocate: works here :\
[01:57] <bestadvocate> oh crap i wonder if this is a AMD/Hoary problem
[01:57] <pro> topyli, well, it may be in your path, but its not FHS compliant then
[01:57] <bestadvocate> I am going to update and restart
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> hayden: wait till it is in the apt repos
[01:58] <topyli> pro: yeah, it's not. then again, users are often non-standard :)
[01:58] <edulix> anyone used partimage ?
[01:58] <Funraiser> nobody for my nautilus setting?
[01:58] <bestadvocate> anyone know another way to edit the applications menu?
[01:59] <hayden> ;8
[02:00] <Funraiser> all right, thanks anyway
[02:00] <hayden> da_bon_bon, when would that be?
[02:00] <bestadvocate> anybody?
[02:00] <da_bon_bon> hayden: after hoary is released.
[02:00] <topyli> bestadvocate: you can right-clicking the menu items directly
[02:00] <scaroo> bestadvocate, see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-February/msg00425.html
[02:00] <bestadvocate> topyli: but that doesnt let you delete old directories
[02:01] <hayden> ok
[02:01] <hayden> is warty pretty old now?
[02:01] <scaroo> 6 months old
[02:01] <scaroo> more or less
[02:01] <hayden> looks like i chose the best time to install it then
[02:02] <hank_> Hey, thanks zeedoo, its all working fine, I feel like a moron, I took out the network card to find its make and forgot to put the fucker back in. Ha!
[02:02] <topyli> bestadvocate: hrmpf. i guess the menu editing will work in gnome 2.12 or so
[02:02] <hank_> re: the wireless config'
[02:02] <SiRrUs> hayden Warty has been out since Oct
[02:02] <hayden> ok
[02:03] <bestadvocate> topyli: thats good to know at least
[02:03] <bestadvocate> alright I am off to restart
[02:05] <Xer> hi
[02:06] <Xer> can anyone tell me where can i find  "
[02:06] <Xer> Under --> File Systems, place a checkmark in:
[02:06] <Xer> " in this site? http://www.desktop-linux.net/bootsplash.htm
[02:06] <selinium_> how do i change the menu bars? I want to lanch gksudo bluefish, not bluefish?
[02:07] <Skid> the kernel menuconfig?
[02:08] <evarlast> why don't I have new monthly walpaper in hoary?
[02:10] <selinium_> Skid: but how :) I know how to create launchers, but how do i do it for the menus?
[02:10] <djp> how do you create launcher in hoary?
[02:11] <selinium_> djp: right click on the desktop
[02:11] <Skid> selinium_: no Idea, wasn't talking to you
[02:11] <Skid> I was telling Zer
[02:11] <Skid> Xer
[02:11] <selinium_> Skid: LOL sorry!
[02:12] <djp> selinium: done that, but nothing happens
[02:12] <selinium_> djp: Something must be up with your install! Or your mouse?
[02:12] <djp> selinium: sorry, let me explain that a bit better. it brings up the create launcher windoe, i create the launcher, press ok and ... nothing appears!
[02:13] <Xer> ha?
[02:13] <Xer> telling me what?
[02:14] <selinium_> djp: I dont know what to say. Maybe restart gnome and try again. It should just pop up.
[02:14] <hayden> where is the kernel source located in warty?
[02:14] <djp> selinium: will try a restart...
[02:14] <LinuxJones> hayden, it's called linux-source
[02:15] <hayden> yea thats what i said :)
[02:18] <hayden> where is it located?
[02:18] <djp> ok, restarting ubuntu has made my newly created launcher appear on the desktop. how do i move it into a menu on the application bar? using hoary by the way...
[02:20] <selinium_> djp: that was the question i asked about 5 mins ago!
[02:20] <membreya> djp: no direct way
[02:20] <membreya> want a link? :)
[02:20] <pro> kernel source is  apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r`
[02:20] <pro> kernel-source ?
[02:21] <djp> selinium_: :oops:!
[02:21] <pro> uMkulu, kernel source?
[02:21] <uMkulu> kernel source is, like, apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r`
[02:21] <da_bon_bon> membreya: have u installed vmware on ubuntu ?
[02:21] <djp> membreya: so any newly created launchers will have to stay on the desktop for now?
[02:21] <membreya> da_bon_bon: nope
[02:22] <da_bon_bon> membreya: ok.. do u use slackware linux ?
[02:22] <membreya> oh ...THAT...sorry djp ...was tripping..thought you meant how do you add things to the menus
[02:22] <membreya> not the application bar
[02:22] <selinium_> djp: on warty it used to be something like nautilus applications:///Internet in a term then create launcher.
[02:22] <pro> kernel source is  also check build-essential
[02:22] <uMkulu> okay, pro.
[02:22] <membreya> da_bon_bon: i use hoary
[02:22] <pro> kernel source
[02:22] <uMkulu> hmmm... kernel source is apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r` or check build-essential
[02:23] <djp> selinium_: sure, that's what i tried at first under hoary, but it doesn't work
[02:23] <zeeble> what's the URL for ubuntuguide?
[02:23] <djp> membreya: is there a way?
[02:23] <pro> build-essential is a package alias for install all the tools needed to compile source on debian based systems
[02:23] <membreya> zeeble: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:23] <membreya> djp sure is :)
[02:23] <pro> build-essential?
[02:23] <uMkulu> build-essential is a package alias for install all the tools needed to compile source on debian based systems
[02:23] <selinium_> djp: I know! I was trying to find out the syntax myself!
[02:23] <selinium_> :)
[02:24] <membreya> selinium_ & djp: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=77243
[02:24] <zeeble> membreya thanks
[02:24] <djp> membreya: thanks
[02:24] <selinium_> membreya: cheers!
[02:24] <selinium_> zeeble: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:24] <membreya> is that what you were after guys ?>
[02:24] <membreya> selinium_: little late :P
[02:25] <kzm> btw, anybody using mplayer from marillat?
[02:25] <zeeble> kzm i do. but i use debian.
[02:25] <membreya> zeeble: get cable :P
[02:26] <kzm> zeeble, hmm, wrong channel? :-)
[02:26] <membreya> locate is no excuse :P
[02:26] <membreya> location even
[02:26] <zeeble> Zotnix heh
[02:26] <membreya> what..only 5mb of updates today
[02:26] <membreya> hoary is slowin down
[02:27] <Zotnix> Full movies.
[02:27] <zeeble> kzm no. different laptop this time.
[02:27] <Zotnix> I think I downloaded The Matrix once.
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> membreya: i am lagging with 20mb. ofcourse, now that feature freeze has been done - no large updates
[02:27] <membreya> Zotnix: full games were more painful
[02:27] <pro> Zotnix, where you from?
[02:27] <membreya> feature freeze? really?
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> membreya: yes.
[02:28] <sic|work> morning or <insert appropriate greeting here>
[02:28] <hayden> how can i change the font in gaim?
[02:28] <Zotnix> Yep. Downloaded a movie on a broken 56k modem at that. A thin wafer broke off. My only guess could be that it transferred sound to the modem. I replaced it with a piece of aluminum foil.
[02:28] <membreya> grrrrrr gnome just stripped my wallpaper
[02:28] <hayden> no in x-chat
[02:28] <membreya> you bastard!
[02:28] <Zotnix> This was on a laptop.
[02:29] <zeeble> hayden change the thing in preferences. use Sans size 9
[02:29] <membreya> oh wait...it was just gnome updating :P
[02:29] <Zotnix> word of advice: Compaq laptops are... bad.
[02:29] <membreya> Zotnix: that's why I sold mine
[02:29] <membreya> had a p4 2ghz
[02:30] <sic|work> hayden: preferences--->default formatting--> click the font button
[02:30] <hayden> ok
[02:30] <zeeble> i have a dell inspiron 8500 that runs debian. and planning to install ubuntu on my stinkpad t41 when this downloads
[02:30] <zeeble> got told earlier that ubuntu installs without a hitch. on the thinkpad.
[02:30] <membreya> zeeble: I didn't need my laptop so let it go real cheap (1k AUD) ... using an amd64 3200+ desktop now :)
[02:30] <Zotnix> Mm. My laptop is what I install Red Hat 8 on. My first experience with Linux. Somehow muddled through and got the Conexant drivers (when they were free) to work.
[02:30] <sic|work> that isn't one of the inspirons dell recalled is it?
[02:31] <zeeble> membreya lucky sod.
[02:31] <sic|work> something about power supply problems or something
[02:31] <zeeble> sic|work the inspiron 8200
[02:31] <Zotnix> membreya, did you have problems with the keyboard as well? And the back of the case breaking by the hinges?
[02:31] <membreya> only got a 120gb SATA drive though..almost out of space..going to pick up another 200gb
[02:31] <rommerUB> how can i get this http://www.bootsplash.de/files/themes/screenshots/Theme-Ubuntu-silent.png
[02:31] <membreya> Zotnix: no problems what so ever..but I hate brand name PCs / laptops
[02:31] <ineedhelp> hi
[02:31] <zeeble> i already broke the inspiron once, when some coca cola spilled into it :/
[02:32] <sic|work> http://www.delladapterprogram.com/
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> hey, will hoary release use openoffice.org2 ?
[02:32] <sic|work> I thinik you can check there
[02:32] <membreya> rommerUB: you need to recompile your kernel after you download splashscreen support
[02:32] <Zotnix> membreya, my keys were falling out (they wanted 119 bucks for a replacement). My left arrow key had to be pushed hard to work.
[02:33] <Zotnix> Escape button failed completely.
[02:33] <rommerUB> someone shoudl make an easier way to do it
[02:33] <zeeble>  sic|work till dell inspiron 8100.
[02:33] <bobdude> anyone wanna help me install ubuntu?
[02:34] <zeeble> and it has'nt given any problems so far.
[02:34] <bobdude> im stuck
[02:34] <membreya> rommerUB: that's in discussion :P
[02:34] <sic|work> So I looked around a bit and didn't find much...does anyone know if it is possible to put the repositories on cd for instances where you can't connect to the internet or don't have a connection?
[02:34] <pro> bobdude, yeah swing round my house tomorrow with your box, i'll install it for you
[02:34] <membreya> yes sic|
[02:34] <sic|work> like make a set
[02:34] <bobdude> np :)
[02:34] <pro> Ohmer, and bring a copy with, i dont have one yet
[02:34] <membreya> you need to make your own repo :)
[02:34] <zeeble> sic|pic yes. you can.
[02:35] <sic|work> is there a procedure in the forums?
[02:35] <sic|work> maybe I didn't use the right keyword
[02:35] <zeeble> sic|pic apt-get install apt-setup create a local repository
[02:35] <bobdude> my keyboard wont let me type to choose english
[02:36] <bobdude> donno if it is freezeing before then or what
[02:36] <membreya> other way is to get all your files from var/cache/apt/archives/ and burn it to CD and when you want to install it just do a sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:36] <sic|work> zeeble: thanks...other question is how do you use apt-get with a proxy?
[02:36] <membreya> bobdude: checked your capslock/numlock
[02:36] <bobdude> its on
[02:37] <membreya> can you turn it off / on?
[02:37] <bobdude> :)
[02:37] <bobdude> ill try
[02:37] <zeeble> sic|work just man apt-get :D then you have apt-proxy. just type apt-setup and it will tell you what to do.
[02:37] <sic|work> duh
[02:37] <sic|work> hehe
[02:37] <membreya> zeeble: you need to apt-get apt-proxy :P
[02:38] <sic|work> just thought I would throw that question in there to save the extra research
[02:38] <sic|work> :)
[02:38] <zeeble> well,. yeah. once.
[02:38] <sic|work> thanks
[02:38] <bobdude> hmmm no good still
[02:39] <zeeble> sic|work you got a http proxy?
[02:39] <membreya> hmmmmm want to make a local caching proxy server...anyone know the best package to use? (other than squid)
[02:39] <bobdude> is there a command line i can try for a p4 sis661  seagate 40mb hdd
[02:40] <zeeble> wwwoffle or so,ething
[02:40] <membreya> talkin to me zeeble ? :|
[02:40] <zeeble> eyah
[02:40] <beast> i
[02:41] <bobdude> auotinstall no good
[02:41] <Stik> wow this could take some getting used to..
[02:41] <beast> i am with some problems too
[02:41] <bobdude> autoinstall
[02:41] <bobdude> :(  isnt usef freindly
[02:41] <zeeble> membreya it is'nt as good as squid though. squid is nice.
[02:41] <beast> the mirror came with distro dont have all packages
[02:41] <zeeble> bobdude what's auto install?
[02:41] <Nermal> beast, eh.. you added universe and multiverse ?
[02:41] <membreya> zeeble: squid requires 2 brain cells..3 more than I have
[02:42] <zeeble> membreya lol
[02:42] <Nermal> like the huge comment in /etc/apt/sources.list says to ?
[02:42] <beast> yes i have clean the #
[02:42] <Nermal> and done an apt-get update ?
[02:43] <bobdude> press f1 for help. or enter to boot :_
[02:43] <Nermal> bobdude, so press enter ?
[02:43] <bobdude> so i do enter n it freezes when i get asked for a language
[02:43] <zeeble> Does ubuntu allow me to install to specific partitions or not? or will it take over? o.o
[02:43] <beast> i have done it
[02:43] <Nermal> zeeble, sure it lets you
[02:43] <beast> i usualy use sarge
[02:43] <beast> i now apt
[02:44] <zeeble> Nermal good. i sort of assumed for a moment that "autoinstall" meant it took over :p
[02:44] <beast> i have a durom 800 and are ok here
[02:44] <membreya> hey there Nermal
[02:44] <Nermal> lo membreya
[02:44] <beast> the problem is the k6
[02:44] <Nermal> beast, ew
[02:45] <zeeble> left 2 hrs 52 minutes
[02:45] <membreya> does webmin for squid work? :P
[02:45] <Nermal> don't see why not
[02:45] <zeeble> lemme see if i can find a nice squid howto for you.
[02:46] <beast> man squid
[02:46] <beast> is nice i think
[02:47] <membreya> lol beast
[02:47] <zeeble> heh
[02:48] <bobdude> hmmm free ran disk failed?
[02:48] <bobdude> ram?
[02:48] <bobdude> help
[02:49] <t_> how can I get my usb mass storage working on ubuntu?
[02:49] <Nermal> plug it in
[02:49] <t_> yeah but after?
[02:49] <membreya> :P
[02:50] <Nermal> t_, it should ge mounted auotmagically
[02:50] <Nermal> otherwise it will something like /dev/sda1
[02:50] <Nermal> and mounted under /media/VOLUMENAME
[02:50] <membreya> wb tritium :P
[02:50] <pro> tritium, nice nick
[02:50] <membreya> net split
[02:50] <membreya> wow
[02:51] <Nermal> *unshocker*
[02:51] <pro> tritium, do you know what tritium is?
[02:51] <t_> nermal, I just don't see it...
[02:51] <javiolo> anyone know how to stop the apache2 server
[02:51] <t_> my ubuntu install is quite strange also: I don't have anything on my Desktop
[02:51] <tritium> pro, of course I do
[02:51] <Nermal> t_, dmesg ?
[02:51] <tritium> membreya, hello
[02:52] <javiolo> javiolo@ubuntu:~ $ /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[02:52] <javiolo>  * Stopping web server (Apache2)...
[02:52] <javiolo> httpd (pid 3970?) not running                                            [ ok ] 
[02:52] <javiolo> but stills running
[02:52] <Nermal> killall httpd ?
[02:52] <Nermal> >:)
[02:52] <pro> tritium, seen what it does in a vacume?
[02:52] <beast> lol
[02:52] <rommerUB> what can i do with ubuntu while i go to bed?
[02:52] <zeeble> blah. I'll install when i wake up.
[02:52] <Nermal> rommerUB, upgrade to hoary ?
[02:52] <t_> nermal, what should I see in dmesg?
[02:52] <tritium> pro, do yoU?
[02:52] <Nermal> folding@home ?
[02:53] <rommerUB> can i do that without reinstalling it?
[02:53] <zeeble> apt-get install kde xfce4 windowmaker enlightenment etc etc
[02:53] <Nermal> something like
[02:53] <Nermal> usb-storage: device found at 44
[02:53] <Nermal> usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[02:53] <Nermal>   Vendor: Softick   Model: Card Export       Rev: 0001
[02:53] <Nermal>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
[02:53] <Nermal> SCSI device sda: 498176 512-byte hdwr sectors (255 MB)
[02:53] <pro> tritium, yip, i used to play with that stuff when i was younger,
[02:53] <zeeble> rommerUB edit /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect hoary from warty. then apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:53] <Nermal> ending in Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[02:53] <rommerUB> ok
[02:53] <zeeble> eep. flood.
[02:54] <Nermal> sorry :|
[02:54] <rommerUB> so whereever it says warty change to hoary?
[02:54] <Nermal> 5 lines ish :|
[02:54] <tritium> pro, and where did you get your hands on tritium?
[02:54] <pro> tritium, have you ever seen what would happen if tritium was fused with h3 ?
[02:54] <zeeble> rommerUB you better ask around. :p again.
[02:54] <t_> nermal, ok I got it then what?
[02:54] <tritium> pro, yes, why do you keep asking me?
[02:54] <NetwrkMonkey> how close is the final hoary to coming out?
[02:54] <pro> tritium, ummm, well if i told you that i would go to jail no? 8)
[02:54] <Nermal> t_, then type mount
[02:55] <rommerUB> Nermal, how can i go about updating to hoary?
[02:55] <Nermal> and see if it's mounted /dev/whatever anywhere
[02:55] <t_> nermal, mount what?
[02:55] <Nermal> just mount
[02:55] <selinium_> rommerUB: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:55] <tritium> pro, for asking me questions?  no...
[02:55] <lunitik> rommerUB: Its advised to just go install a daily snapshot or array...
[02:56] <pro> no if i told you where i got tritium from, then i would be admitting to doing something against the law
[02:56] <t_> nermal, and after mount?
[02:56] <Nermal> rommerUB, cat /etc/apt/sources.list |sed s/warty/hoary/g > /tmp/sources.list.hoary :P
[02:56] <Nermal> t_, well.. it should show it mounted somewhere..
[02:56] <tritium> pro, I don't want to know, in that case...
[02:57] <pro> but i will say that in ZA its often used in glass tubes for lighting in emergency signs, for when there is a power outage
[02:57] <rommerUB> nermal, do u just copy that into terminal?
[02:57] <t_> nermal : I get this
[02:57] <t_> /dev/hdb2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[02:57] <t_> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[02:57] <t_> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[02:57] <t_> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[02:57] <t_> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[02:57] <t_> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[02:57] <tritium> pro, If you want to see the real power of tritium, look at footage of atmospheric testing of thermonuclear devices
[02:57] <Nermal> really helpful
[02:57] <Nermal> mount /dev/sda1 /mountpount ?
[02:57] <trigx300> hi can anyone help me im trying to install win fonts on ubuntu what do i do?
[02:57] <plx> which sound system is  best? alsa, esd or oss?
[02:57] <Stik> has anyone installed this with reiserfs?
[02:57] <Nermal> plx, alsa probably
[02:58] <Nermal> Stik, aye
[02:58] <plx> oss is old, right?
[02:58] <t_> nermal: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:58] <kcs> plx: but esd is a sound daemon
[02:58] <Stik> Is there an option in the partition tool to use reiserfs?
[02:58] <Nermal> trigx300, apt-get install msttcorefonts
[02:58] <Nermal> t_, -t auto ?
[02:58] <tritium> membreya, what's new with you?
[02:59] <Nermal> what filesystem is it
[02:59] <pro> anyway, back to work
[02:59] <lunitik> plx: alsa replaced oss... esd, artsd, polypaudio sit on top of that layer.
[02:59] <Nermal> plx, oss is old yes - depreciated would be a better word
[02:59] <tritium> What's going on down under?
[02:59] <t_> nermal, doesn't work too : mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mountpount
[02:59] <t_> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:59] <kcs> oh, my d its working again :)
[02:59] <tritium> pro, no
[02:59] <tritium> ?
[02:59] <kcs> ddddddddd
[02:59] <Nermal> t_, then no kernel module is available for the fds
[02:59] <Nermal> fs*
[02:59] <kcs> :)
[03:00] <trigx300> ok thanks
[03:00] <Nermal> t_, and why the hell are you putting /mountpount on the end >
[03:00] <plx> i see.. and gstreamer is something like alsa?
[03:00] <t_> nermal, because you told me to
[03:01] <lunitik> plx: no... gstreamer is simular to esd etc... only serverless...
[03:01] <Nermal> do you have a directory called that, or can't you tell thats any mountpoint and I am so tired of answering question after fucking question because people can't use man command that I misstyped "mountpoint" ?
[03:01] <Nermal> I need food and the sodding accountant isn't in yet >:|
[03:01] <tritium> yikes
[03:01] <kcs> :) i renamed all my files to *.old :)
[03:02] <plx> and what does the sound daemon do? route events to the underlying sound system of something?
[03:03] <plx> or not of
[03:03] <Nermal> plx, sort of
[03:03] <lunitik> plx: it handles software mixing... ie, handles allowing more than one process access to /dev/dsp, which is the alsa device node
[03:03] <tritium> "to cover with sod; to turf"...wtf?
[03:04] <plx> ah.. so changing the "multimedia systems selector" in gnome preferences will just alter that, not my actual sound system
[03:05] <lunitik> plx: the "Multimedia Systems Selector" is actually 'gstreamer-properties'...
[03:06] <lunitik> plx: totally different... only effects applications that use gstreamer framework
[03:06] <Nermal> totem etc
[03:06] <plx> and rhythmbox?
[03:06] <Nermal> aye
[03:06] <lunitik> plx: yes
[03:06] <Nermal> but not beeeeeep
[03:07] <plx> ok, so they use the gstreamer framework which will route the stuff to some daemon/sink/stuff which will mix it and pass it to the also node.. (?)
[03:07] <plx> alsa node
[03:08] <lunitik> plx: on Ubuntu... (hoary in this example) ... for totem-gstreamer.... gstreamer > polypaudio > alsa
[03:09] <lunitik> plx: polypaudio replaces esd...
[03:09] <plx> ok.. and what's a "gstreamer sink" ? this would be polypaudio in your example?
[03:10] <lunitik> plx: hmm... don't know about that  :(
[03:11] <queuetue> Hi.  Is anyone using mpd (the music player deamon)?  The stock install has problems opening the audio, and I'd like to see a working config...
[03:12] <lunitik> plx: I don't really understand the sink values etc... other than its where gstreamer throws things... yes, in my example, it would be polypaudio...
[03:13] <plx> ok, that's what i was thinking too..
[03:16] <tritium> queuetue, I haven't tried mpd, but I use gnump3d on my server at home
[03:21] <padders> is there a consensus of opinion about upgrading firefox 0.9.3 to 1.01 in Warty? sesnsible/not sensible/etc?
[03:22] <dwa_> why wouldn't you?
[03:22] <dwa_> i'm guessing 1.01 has less bugs
[03:23] <CicalaMvta> any recommendations for a streaming audio server for flac files?
[03:23] <membreya> gah ..how do you change the password for webmin
[03:23] <membreya> and what's the default username?
[03:23] <membreya> :|
[03:25] <prego> hello. Does anybody know why Hoary's Nautilus does not explore windows network? Keeps working but shows nothing at the end. Warty's used to do it even when samba was not installed.
[03:26] <evarlast> CicalaMvta: no, but mpd will transcode to OGG.  It may even stream the flac, but I dunno for sure.
[03:27] <kcs> prego: smbclient -L known_host
[03:27] <mdke> has ubuntu got a bootsplash yet?
[03:27] <kcs> prego: display something?
[03:27] <CicalaMvta> evarlast: thanks, i'll check that :)
[03:27] <kcs> prego: in terminal of course
[03:28] <mdke> if not why not
[03:30] <solarwinds> qustion, I am tring to start zssh and getting  out of pty's , why ??
[03:30] <tritium> prego, did you try dpkg-reconfigure samba-common to make sure you've setup the workgroup/domain, etc?
[03:32] <solarwinds> helllllooooo
[03:32] <solarwinds> help ..
[03:32] <Get> solarwinds: hi
[03:32] <queuetue> Do I want to configure applications to use alsa or esd?
[03:32] <solarwinds> hi Get how are you ??
[03:33] <Get> not too bad, what about you?
[03:33] <solarwinds> I am OK, I ask for a qustion and no one answer :-(
[03:35] <solarwinds> Get, a qustion: I am tring to start zssh and getting  out of pty's , why ??
[03:35] <solarwinds> were are you from , Get
[03:35] <solarwinds> ??
[03:37] <solarwinds> Get, Are you from SWEDEN ???
[03:37] <tritium> mdke, work is being done on usplash
[03:37] <queuetue> Where do I get video codecs?
[03:38] <Get> solarwinds: yes
[03:38] <SiliconViper> Herm... k3b won't install, could someone suggest an alternate frontend for burning ISOs?
[03:38] <mdke> tritium, it hasn't been released?
[03:38] <StoffBox-Steve> i have a prob, and maybe someone can tell me why :) > i want do use WebHTTrack but when i try to open it it say somethink like that : Cat access steve:8080 connection set back :
[03:38] <solarwinds> I worked there for a while....
[03:38] <tritium> mdke, no, not yet.  But it's advantage over bootsplash is that it'll run in userspace.
[03:38] <mdke> tritium, they've been working on it for ages haven't they?
[03:39] <Get> solarwinds: in which town?
[03:39] <Amaranth> Ilnfwtt: Stop.
[03:39] <bagpuss_thecat> Ilnfwtt is a bot, can someone /kick him
[03:39] <tritium> mdke, ubuntu has only been around since about October.  I wouldn't really call that "ages" yet ;)
[03:39] <solarwinds> Karlskorna...
[03:39] <solarwinds> You know Europolitan ??
[03:39] <solarwinds> You know Europolitan (Vodafone) ??
[03:40] <Get> solarwinds: yes
[03:40] <dolson> are any of you guys SER users? as in the SIP proxy software
[03:40] <solarwinds> It is very cold there now...
[03:40] <Get> hehe
[03:41] <Xappe> solarwinds, tell me about it, we had -30 C here in uppsala the day before yesterday
[03:41] <solarwinds> Ho GOD, It is COLD :-(
[03:41] <Amaranth> time to take it to freenode
[03:41] <solarwinds> I have 23C suny day..
[03:42] <membreya> gah
[03:42] <membreya> I've locked my webmin
[03:45] <queuetue> Are video codecs available from any repositories I could add to sources.list?
[03:45] <prego> kcs, true but I mean the "easy Nautilus way". Of course smbclient works
[03:45] <fsc> hmm. this is bizarre. all of a sudden .wmv work on totem out of the box
[03:45] <tritium> prego, did you see my question above?
[03:46] <prego> tritium, Nautilus does not even show my shares, but if I do smb://localhost works. Also works if I do smb://the_machine_I_know_that_it_is_there
[03:46] <kcs> prego: ok, just check the network
[03:46] <tritium> prego, I know.  I asked you if you ran dpkg-reconfigure samba-common
[03:46] <prego> tritium, no, is that required?
[03:47] <prego> tritium, my machine is serving as expected...
[03:47] <prego> tritium, running right now
[03:47] <tritium> prego, it might help if your workgroup/domain is not set right
[03:48] <PacoBCN> HI ther
[03:48] <prego> tritium, OK, may I restart nautilus now?
[03:48] <PacoBCN> Anyone managed to connect Nicotine?
[03:48] <tritium> prego, no need.  You might want to log out of gnome and back in, though
[03:49] <prego> tritium, I prefer restarting nautilus :-P
[03:49] <tritium> prego, good.
[03:50] <kcs> :)
[03:50] <tritium> That's all you should need to do, but for some users, logging out/in is just easier :)
[03:50] <prego> tritium, no luck. Nautilus does not browse de windows network. Smbclient -L works.
[03:51] <prego> tritium, also opening smb://machine works in Nautilus, It is just the browse thing that does not work.
[03:51] <kcs> prego: its couse smb, i think
[03:51] <tritium> prego, not sure what to tell you.  It's working for me on Hoary.
[03:51] <membreya> hrm
[03:51] <membreya> anyone here use webadmin?
[03:51] <queuetue> Are common video codecs available from any repositories I could add to sources.list?
[03:52] <prego> kcs, what you mean?
[03:52] <pro> anyway all, i better be going
[03:52] <Slack_Rox> try killing bonobo?
[03:52] <pro> see you all monday
[03:52] <hank_> Heya ubuntites, this is a kind of wierd question. It seems my apps dont shop up on the bottom bar anymore. Anyone heard of this?
[03:52] <kcs> prego: master browser
[03:53] <kcs> prego: they cant decide who will be that
[03:53] <hank_> I can still alt tab between them but the bottom bar is empty
[03:53] <kcs> prego: should
[03:53] <prego> kcs, so, can I do anything?
[03:53] <Xappe> hank_, maybe you removed the window list applet?
[03:53] <tritium> queuetue, that's covered in ubuntuguide.or
[03:53] <kcs> prego: yes, pray
[03:53] <tritium> .org
[03:54] <prego> kcs, tritium My fault, firestarter was blocking the browse
[03:54] <kcs> prego: or you wait sometime maybe
[03:54] <tritium> prego, ah, glad you found it
[03:54] <kcs> prego: cool
[03:54] <kcs> oh, than i have question
[03:54] <prego> So the question is, what ports do I have open to browse windows netowrk?
[03:55] <kcs> firestarter restarting himself when you stop it with /etc/init.d/firestart stop?
[03:55] <Xappe> prego, probably the ones that the windows worms use to get in
[03:55] <prego> Xappe, ;-))
[03:56] <Xappe> like 445 and so on
[03:56] <hank_> Xappe. Ahh I see. How might I have done that and how might I get it back>
[03:56] <Xappe> right click the panel and choose "add to panel.."
[03:56] <kcs> microsoft-ds    445/tcp                         # Microsoft Naked CIFS
[03:56] <kcs> microsoft-ds    445/udp
[03:57] <kent> I know its not an Ubuntu issue, but my computer has problems with overheating. At normal usage (browsing internet, playing music) i have no issues. But if i ran seti or other programs that uses the system alot, it overheats and shutdown. What would be the most rational to do? Should i buy a new CPU fan, or should i invest in one of those chassi-fans?
[03:57] <membreya> webmin isn't changing my password properly (using changepass.pl)
[03:57] <Xappe> hank_,  and locate "window list"
[03:57] <hank_> ahh! bing. Thanks mate.
[03:57] <Xappe> :)
[03:59] <prego> kcs, Thank You, definitely ;-)) (I had 137-139 open and I guessed it was enough; now I have added 445 also and seems to be working)- of course only for local network ;-)
[03:59] <evarlast> kent: get a good CPU fan.
[03:59] <prego> kent, which arch?
[03:59] <kcs> prego: im glad
[03:59] <vrok> kent: i had similar thing lately
[03:59] <prego> kent, SMP??
[03:59] <vrok> and
[04:00] <prego> kcs, Not sure if as much as me ;-))))
[04:00] <vrok> the cpu fan was full of little pices of papaer ;)
[04:00] <kcs> prego: :-))
[04:00] <kent> evarlast, prego, its an amd XP 2400+.  So a chassi-fan will not make any difference?
[04:00] <membreya> anyone have experiencing in establishing webmin ?
[04:01] <evarlast> kent: it might, but CPU fan is most important.
[04:01] <marksbry> Hey guys, I have a problem..for some reason my cdrom isn't showing up...I see it in fstab but if I click on disks and try to access my cdrom I get an error "unable to mount selected volume" I had a similar problem in installation I have a sata hd and an ide cdrom...any ideas?
[04:01] <prego> kent, I have experienced problems and first of all make sure the cpu fan is working right, then perhaps try to cool the box also
[04:01] <kent> vrok, what did you do to solve it? Right now i run the computer without the side of the chassi on. That way it only shutsdown if the load is high..
[04:02] <prego> kent, My test was just for(int i=0; ; i++){ };
[04:02] <marksbry> under show more details it says "/dva/had does not exist
[04:02] <kent> prego, the fan is working allright. But im no expert so i cant say if its working good enough. I see its spinning, thats all :)
[04:03] <prego> kent, stop the machine and try to spin the fan with the finger, if you notice any resistance the fan is broken (gripped - don't know if that is an english word )
[04:03] <vince> hey everyone, someone know this: does it make sense to run the smp kernel on a single but hyperthreaded pentium4 cpu?
[04:03] <prego> kent, also if working listen to it ...
[04:03] <vidar_> Linux BLACKPOWER 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Wed Mar 2 06:11:58 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:04] <vrok> kent: i used a vacuumcleaner ;P
[04:04] <prego> kent, you may also try the machine with the box open
[04:04] <vrok> kent: and it worked
[04:04] <vrok> kent: and i had exactly the same thing - i couldn't complie anything longer than 10 minutes
[04:05] <prego> vince, I have seen that. Perhaps it is the only way to use hyperthreading, if hyperthreading is useful afterall.
[04:05] <hank_> Is anyone familiar with ndiswrapper? I want the 'modprobe ndiswrapper' to automatically be a part of the boot process
[04:06] <membreya> hank_: why not just add it to /etc/modules?
[04:07] <kent> vrok, you just vacumcleaned it for dust so it could spin faster?
[04:07] <vrok> kent: yes
[04:07] <hank_> yeah I tried that with the echo command but it said accesss denied
[04:08] <vrok> kent: but it was _full_ of dust and other dirty stuff
[04:08] <hank_> Mmm, stranger yet, I have no modules directory
[04:08] <hank_> Shall I just create one?
[04:09] <membreya> hank_: modules is a file
[04:09] <membreya> not a directory
[04:09] <membreya> sudo nano -w /etc/modules
[04:10] <hank_> ahh okay. well Then for some reason permission is denied
[04:10] <membreya> hank
[04:11] <membreya> did you use sudo
[04:11] <hank_> yeah
[04:11] <hank_> is this right echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
[04:12] <hank_> with the sudo ofcourse
[04:12] <membreya> just use nano
[04:12] <hank_> what is bano?
[04:12] <prego> ups looks like more ports are required for smb browsing ???
[04:12] <hank_> nano
[04:12] <vrok> hank_: text editor
[04:12] <hank_> ahh. I'll try that'
[04:12] <membreya> vi for dummies like me
[04:13] <membreya> webmin isn't changing my password properly (using changepass.pl)
[04:13] <vrok> you can use gedit as wall
[04:13] <vrok> well
[04:14] <hank_> strange. I cant modify the file at all
[04:14] <hank_> its properties indicate it is available to the superuser
[04:15] <marco> what command for list the packages please?
[04:16] <scizzo> marco: that is installed?
[04:17] <marco> yes
[04:17] <theine> so KDE made it into main already...
[04:18] <Riddell> theine: yes
[04:19] <hank_> Seems that sudo is impervious to the modification of modules. I was able to modify it in Root
[04:21] <theine> hank_: say that again?
[04:25] <prego> I finally have not managed to configure firestarter to let browse windows network properly... :-(( seems that it is quite tricky from what I've read from firestarter mailing list. I will turn off the firestarter just for browsing whenever I need it again :-((
[04:27] <hank_> I tried to modify etc/modules using the echo command in a terminal with sudo. It couldn't modify the file. I had to open the root terminal to run modify modules
[04:27] <hank_> thiene ^
[04:27] <hank_> sorry theine ^
[04:28] <membreya> anyone have experiencing in establishing webmin ?
[04:28] <pro> membreya, depends what you mean by "establishing"
[04:29] <membreya> pro: trying to logon and it keeps saying authentication failed
[04:29] <membreya> yes I've changed the password
[04:29] <pro> your password is wrong then
[04:29] <membreya> sudo /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root password
[04:29] <pro> and where did you change it?
[04:30] <prego> hank_, I guess you did "sudo echo "module" > /etc/modules", didn't you?
[04:30] <evarlast> OH NO!
[04:30] <evarlast> >> not > !
[04:31] <membreya> thats right isnt it pro?
[04:31] <prego> evarlast, YES!
[04:31] <pro> membreya, i dont know if that would work, and is the user name not admin ?
[04:31] <prego> evarlast, sorry
[04:31] <membreya> pro: it says the only user is root
[04:31] <prego> hank_, sorry for the >
[04:31] <membreya> how else do you change the password without being able to login?
[04:32] <evarlast> membreya: boot single user mode and create a user.
[04:32] <pro> membreya, mmm, well, how about removing it, and its config (dpkg --purge webmin) and reinstall it? it will ask a password in the setup
[04:32] <pro> membreya, or try the password of the root user
[04:32] <membreya> i used apt-get :(
[04:32] <membreya> hrmmm
[04:32] <pro> because you can setup webmin to use pam auth
[04:33] <pro> and maybe yours is using system auth, and not its own auth?
[04:33] <hank_> Whats a splash screen?
[04:34] <pro> hank_,  is a glass plate the you put by the urinal so stop pissing on your shoes
[04:34] <pro> hank_, or its a little picture that pops up to show you that a program is loading
[04:35] <hank_> hahahahhah. I need one, I wear sandles!
[04:36] <hank_> can they come up during boot instead of the logging?
[04:36] <hank_> splashscreens I mean
[04:36] <pro> hank_, that would be called bootsplash
[04:36] <schweeb> any specific reason why gnome-cd and goobox would be able to see a CD, be able to extract the tracks from it, but not be able to actually play it? (Hoary)  dmesg isn't saying any kernel errors or anything
[04:36] <pro> its a project by one of the Suse guys, you get kernel patches for it
[04:36] <hank_> ahh cool. Any tutes on this?
[04:37] <hank_> ahh, so it dont work with ubuntu'
[04:37] <pro> bootsplash.org i think it is
[04:37] <psi> schweeb: probably because you haven't connected an audio cable from the cd to you sound card
[04:37] <hank_> thanks, I;ll check it out
[04:37] <pro> hank_, it works with any dist that has a linux kernel
[04:37] <psi> your*
[04:37] <schweeb> psi: no
[04:37] <schweeb> it's a laptop
[04:37] <schweeb> it's always worked before
[04:38] <hank_> Awesome, i gotta fire one up
[04:38] <marco> how to view a list of packages?(command line) thanks
[04:38] <psi> schweeb: ok
[04:38] <schweeb> marco: installed or available
[04:38] <pro> schweeb, i have the same problem on my laptop, the driver on windows gets around this, i have not found a way in linux to do it, then again i have not looked for a way
[04:38] <pro> i just ripperx and gogo the files into mp3
[04:39] <psi> schweeb: perhaps it's worth trying a program that uses digital sound extraction
[04:39] <schweeb> yea, if it were an audio cable, the CD would appear to play, but wouldn't put out any sound
[04:39] <marco> both
[04:39] <schweeb> "dpkg -l" shows installed
[04:39] <rance> I just installed ubuntu and the first thing I needed to do was enable the root account, so when I type "sudo passwd root" from a terminal I get a password prompt, whats the default root password for a ubuntu install
[04:39] <marco> thanks
[04:39] <schweeb> or "dpkg --get-selections"
[04:40] <psi> schweeb: it doesn't even appear to be playing now?
[04:40] <schweeb> to locate a package, type "apt-cache search pkg"
[04:40] <pro> rance, maybe its asking you to set one
[04:40] <schweeb> rance: do you really want to enable root?
[04:40] <pro> type one you will remember and see what it does
[04:40] <schweeb> you can use sudo to do everything you can with root
[04:40] <virtuald> rance: nothing, it,s your user password
[04:40] <schweeb> and sudo asks for your account's password, not root's password
[04:41] <membreya> gah ... I give up on webmin
[04:41] <pro> schweeb, anyone would want to, you cant work your system without root
[04:41] <rance> oh really
[04:41] <schweeb> pro: wrong
[04:41] <schweeb> the root account must exist
[04:41] <schweeb> but sudo gives you root privileges
[04:41] <schweeb> without root needing a password
[04:41] <cybane> I GOT THE JOB!!!!
[04:42] <sigglet> what job is that cybane ?
[04:42] <cybane> Working for Cardinal Health in Dublin Ohio doing Tech Support
[04:42] <Xappe> hmm, if I install Hoary on my ibook without partitioning the drive, is it easy to reinstall osx again later on? I mean, I assume that osx is not used to the fact that another system is on the drive...
[04:42] <pro> schweeb, dont tell me wrong, i been using linux since 96 and have used more types of unix than you knew existed, you have to know your own root account or sooner or later you will be fuct
[04:43] <larsrohdin> what program do you prefer? Gaim or amsn?
[04:43] <njan> pro, you're wrong :)
[04:43] <schweeb> pro: omg you are l33t
[04:43] <membreya> gaim :)
[04:43] <schweeb> stfu plz, pro
[04:43] <schweeb> I've been using linux as long as you
[04:43] <schweeb> and I am a sysadmin
[04:43] <pro> no im not leet, im experenced
[04:43] <njan> pro, so are half the people here
[04:43] <psi> heh..
[04:43] <schweeb> and I say you are wrong
[04:43] <schweeb> and I am absolutely right.
[04:44] <psi> pro: how will you be "fuct"?
[04:44] <njan> pro, I work in IT and I've been using linux for longer than you have, and I've almost certainly used as many unix variants as you have - and you're most definitely wrong.
[04:44] <lok> what's the probleme?
[04:44] <larsrohdin> whats wrong?
[04:44] <evarlast> pro: tell that to apple!  ;)
[04:44] <schweeb> hi evarlast
[04:44] <wezzer-> use sudo...
[04:44] <evarlast> sup schweeb.
[04:44] <evarlast> :)
[04:44] <wezzer-> it's in the FAQ too
[04:44] <prego> Finally seems that I did it: to allow smb browsing with firestarter, open ports 137-139, 445 and 32780-32900 to the local network machines (in my case 172.26.0.1/24)
[04:44] <lok> what did he say?
[04:44] <larsrohdin> schweeb, what is worng?
[04:44] <schweeb> larsrohdin: nothing
[04:45] <larsrohdin> =(
[04:45] <schweeb> larsrohdin: someone wants to set the root password
[04:45] <schweeb> larsrohdin: and I recommended they use sudo
[04:45] <prego> Perhaps they are so much ports open that the firewall is almost a fire-hole :-P
[04:45] <schweeb> larsrohdin: then pro shot off about how you absolutely need root or something
[04:45] <larsrohdin> schweeb, ok...
[04:45] <pro> i didnt say you absolutely need it
[04:46] <Xappe> prego, quite funny that those are the ports that the recent windows worms scan
[04:46] <rance> I just didnt know that sudo asked for your own user password wasnt sure why that was needed since ive already logged in
[04:46] <tritium> prego, ubuntu doesn't have many services listening on any ports unless you set them up.  Why the need for a firewall?
[04:46] <pro>  i said "you cant work your system without root"
[04:46] <larsrohdin> its very inividual what you like... but i don't belive that you need root-account... but sometimes maybe its easier..
[04:46] <LinuxJones> cybane, congrats on the new job :)
[04:46] <Xappe> tritium, I use one for NAT:ing purposes
[04:47] <evarlast> sudo su -
[04:47] <prego> tritium, say that I want to run a firewall (just in case, because it is cool, because it is opposite to windows, because I enable other services ubuntu does not come with, because I don't know much about firewalls...)
[04:47] <evarlast> sudo -s
[04:47] <schweeb> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:47] <Xappe> tritium, only two MAC addresses allowed / student apartment here
[04:47] <evarlast> sudo bash --login
[04:47] <Xappe> :/
[04:47] <schweeb> there ya go, all the info you need on working w/o root
[04:48] <larsrohdin> when i first tried Ubuntu, i was desperate for a root account, but then i learn to use sudo, and i like it better... but still i have have a root-account, so i can have a terminal with root open...if i want...
[04:48] <rance> except how to install software that wants a root password and you dont have one
[04:48] <schweeb> rance: in ubuntu, whenever it asks for a privileged password, use your own password
[04:48] <prego> tritium, also "because I can" ;-))
[04:48] <tritium> Xappe, cool, I do mac filtering with my wireless AP/router
[04:48] <tritium> prego, that's cool :)
[04:49] <membreya> hmmmmm just found out something different with webmin...if I let the webpage sit there for 1 minute or so the process dies
[04:49] <schweeb> rance: sudo allows you to masquerade as root, and ubuntu is patched to all hell to allow you to sudo everything
[04:49] <prego> tritium, however I'm glad you tell me that it is almost not necessary
[04:49] <rance> ok
[04:50] <rance> so how do I keep other users from sudo'ing stuff
[04:50] <evarlast> membreya: webmin is launched from xinetd maybe?
[04:50] <tritium> prego, it's up to you, of course :)
[04:50] <Nermal> rance, visudo ?
[04:50] <membreya> everlast: I've set it to be inetd
[04:50] <psi> rance: you can control that through /etc/sudoers
[04:50] <rance> ok
[04:50] <schweeb> rance: the first installed account is allowed to sudo, all the others you would have to explicitly allow
[04:50] <Xappe> shorewall kicks firestarters...ehm...behind
[04:50] <rance> ah, ok, that makes sense
[04:51] <schweeb> since, generally, the person who installs the system and sets up the first account would be the primary/admin user
[04:51] <rance> wish the install docs made a better point of this
[04:51] <schweeb> I thought they did
[04:51] <tritium> rance, that's on the wiki and in the FAQ
[04:51] <schweeb> there's definitely a lot on the wiki
[04:51] <tritium> it should be one of the first things you read when investigating ubuntu
[04:52] <rance> I couldnt get to the wiki in the install, im talking about the install sequence
[04:55] <membreya> gah ...damn you webmin..stop failing the password!
[04:56] <membreya> you betcha tritium ...there's NO reason ... !@#@!#!@(
[04:56] <CarlK> anyone have a vnc viewer recomendation?
[04:56] <tritium> With arms waving in the air...
[04:56] <rance> someone who has used this ubuntu for awhile, Im needing an apache, domain mail with virtual users, and a postgresql server, can ubuntu do this, and can you point me to any special instructions if appropriate
[04:56] <CarlK> xtightvncviewer or svncviewer
[04:57] <tritium> CarlK, isn't the Terminal Server Client (tsclient) installed by default for you?
[04:57] <CarlK> ill check
[04:57] <membreya> fix it tritium :(
[04:57] <schweeb> rance: open synaptic and select said packages, or apt-cache search and apt-get install them
[04:58] <tritium> membreya, I'd have to be familiar with webmin first, don't you think?  ;)
[04:58] <CarlK> im trying to run an app on a win2000 box running UltraVNC server- will TS client help?
[04:58] <tritium> CarlK, yes.  It even supports RDP
[04:58] <tritium> So you don't really need to setup VNC if you just want to enable RDP on the windows box instead
[04:59] <membreya> what's the dpkg command to reconfigure a package?
[04:59] <tritium> dpkg-reconfigure
[04:59] <CarlK> so I see.. thanks
[04:59] <membreya> :P
[04:59] <tritium> you can also specify priorities, membreya
[04:59] <tritium> CarlK, np
[04:59] <CarlK> how do I enable RDP on win2k?
[05:00] <membreya> An initial version of this password file has been generated for you. It   
[05:00] <membreya>   contains only a 'root' user, with the password copied from the password file.
[05:00] <membreya> how the hell does that make sense!
[05:00] <membreya> copied from WHAT password file!
[05:01] <CarlK> membreya - the great password file
[05:01] <CarlK> that will come down and give candy to all the children of the world
[05:01] <membreya> facetiousness is so helpful
[05:02] <virtuald> membreya: /etc/shadow
[05:03] <membreya> virtuald: it references root and has root:*:12827:0:99999:7:::
[05:05] <virtuald> If  the  password field contains some string that is not
[05:05] <virtuald>        valid result of crypt(3), for instance ! or *, the  user  will  not  be
[05:05] <virtuald>        able to use a unix password to log in, subject to pam(7).
[05:05] <virtuald> Manual page shadow(5) line 26
[05:06] <membreya> in webmin directory I've used the perl script to change the password..miniserv.users shows the root as being root:11DqO6mvHZt1Q
[05:06] <evarlast> membreya: ya?  that is a std crypt password.
[05:07] <vixus> Hey, are there any programming IDEs out there that have a Form Designer?
[05:07] <membreya> hmmmm could I manually type the password into that file without encryption? :P
[05:07] <evarlast> vixus: not really IDE.  but glade will let you form design.
[05:07] <vixus> Doesn't KDevelop have one?
[05:08] <vixus> At least... I've seen tutorials that use it.
[05:08] <LinuxJones> vixus, for C ?
[05:08] <vixus> C++
[05:08] <LinuxJones> vixus, ahh
[05:08] <vixus> I was using kylix, but i like C++ better than pascal.
[05:08] <Riddell> vixus: yes, KDevelop has a very good integrated GUI designer
[05:09] <vixus> Ah, good news.
[05:09] <vixus> KDevelop will run on GNOME?
[05:09] <evarlast> I forgot about kdevelop, yes it embeds qt designer.  qtdesigner is very good too.... both C++
[05:09] <evarlast> vixus: it will run on/in gnome, but you will be writing KDE apps.
[05:09] <evarlast> membreya: no, but you can use mkpasswd to encrypt a new password and past into that file.
[05:09] <vixus> How can I run apps that will run on both?
[05:09] <vixus> *code
[05:09] <evarlast> vixus: all apps run on/in both.
[05:10] <LinuxJones> vixus, there is a good one for Python that tries to mimic Delphi
[05:10] <evarlast> vixus: its a matter of which is targetted.
[05:10] <marco> i love ubuntu guys!!!!
[05:10] <marco> thanks a lot
[05:10] <marco> bye
[05:10] <vixus> LinuxJones: Link?
[05:11] <hawke_> I prefer Ubuntu girls, but to each his/her own...
[05:11] <vixus> evarlast: ok.
[05:11] <membreya> gah
[05:11] <membreya> still failing
[05:11] <Echylo> how to split a mp3 with a cue file? I can't find it in audacity so...
[05:11] <vixus> ALSO... in xchat, how can i edit the server list directly?
[05:12] <LinuxJones> vixus, it's called boa-constructor it's in universe repo, but again it's for th Python language.
[05:12] <vixus> python's good too
[05:12] <lok> vixus, for xchat edit ~/.xchat2/servlist_.conf
[05:12] <LinuxJones> vixus, ;)
[05:13] <LinuxJones> vixus, >> http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/
[05:13] <Echylo> someone?
[05:13] <Echylo> mp3, cue ? :'(
[05:14] <hawke_> Echylo: I am not aware of any way to do so..
[05:14] <LinuxJones> Echylo, you have a big mp3 with a few songs you want to seperate ?
[05:14] <Amaranth> you can do it manually
[05:14] <Echylo> yes
[05:14] <Echylo> a 80mp3
[05:14] <LinuxJones> Echylo, the songs are in 1 mp3 file and you want to seperate them right ?
[05:14] <Echylo> 80mb
[05:14] <Echylo> yes
[05:14] <Echylo> I have a cue file
[05:14] <Amaranth> Echylo: Did you ever search on google?
[05:15] <Echylo> yes
[05:15] <Echylo> and I find software for XP
[05:15] <Echylo> mp3 splitter
[05:15] <Echylo> I used it on XP
[05:15] <LinuxJones> Echylo, you can use audacity but you will need to install the mp3 encoder 1 sec I will get it for you
[05:15] <Amaranth> "mp3splt is part of the hoary repository"
[05:15] <Echylo> linuxjones
[05:15] <Echylo> I tried audacity
[05:15] <vixus> what about Firefox 1.0 for ubuntu? I'm surprised it's not here.
[05:15] <hawke_> Echylo: Can't the burner just handle a .cue file?
[05:15] <Amaranth> Echylo: mp3splt
[05:15] <vixus> brb
[05:15] <Echylo> I don't need to burn it
[05:16] <Amaranth> vixus: 1.0 wasn't out when warty froze
[05:16] <Amaranth> err
[05:16] <hawke_> Echylo: Are you trying to burn a large mp3 as several tracks, or split an mp3 into several mp3s?
[05:16] <Amaranth> Echylo: mp3splt!
[05:16] <vidar> How do i mount a ntfs partition in ubuntu?
[05:16] <LinuxJones> Echylo, you need audacity and libmad0
[05:16] <Amaranth> hey, when did ubuntubot die?
[05:17] <Echylo> ok
[05:17] <Amaranth> Echylo: mp3splt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:17] <Echylo> YES!
[05:17] <Amaranth> *headdesk*
[05:17] <Echylo> quit it! I can read
[05:17] <lok> vidar, with the command mount -t ntfs /dev/youpartition /mountpoint
[05:18] <Amaranth> Echylo: So use it already. :P
[05:18] <LinuxJones> Echylo, you will then need to tell audacity where the library is under File >> Preferences >> File Formats >> Mp3 Export Setup
[05:18] <Amaranth> Echylo: Was third result in google for "split mp3 with cue"
[05:18] <vidar> i dont know my partition. /dev is empty
[05:18] <Echylo> hey linux
[05:19] <Echylo> sssht, thanks but I already tried :)
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Echylo, it's >> /usr/lib/libmad.so.0
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Echylo, when you see the filter select "all files"
[05:19] <lok> vidar, /dev is empty O_o
[05:20] <lok> vidar, does your ntfs partition is in the primary hd ?
[05:20] <lok> the master
[05:20] <vidar> nope
[05:21] <vidar> its a slave
[05:21] <Echylo> I'll try it later linuxjones, thanks, Amaranth I have warty, so I can't down it, and I gtg
[05:21] <LinuxJones> Echylo, sorry that was audacity and liblame0
[05:21] <LinuxJones> sorry my mistake
[05:21] <Echylo> but how to split them with the cue file then?
[05:21] <Amaranth> yeah mad decodes, lame encodes
[05:21] <Amaranth> Echylo: http://mp3splt.sourceforge.net/
[05:22] <Amaranth> compile from source
[05:22] <LinuxJones> Echylo, throw that .cue file away you can just mark each mp3 manually then export it as a single song.
[05:22] <_d4vid> hi all
[05:22] <Echylo> k
[05:23] <Amaranth> Echylo: I think I might have found something with audacity, hang on.
[05:24] <Amaranth> nevermind, that's for playing your huge file with a cue sheet in foobar2000
[05:29] <andreas_> Hello.
[05:30] <andreas_> I have a question about the new version of openoffice. Have anyone tried it out yet?
[05:32] <vidar> how do i give my user access to use my ntfs drive?
[05:33] <_Xavi_> vidar: mount it ;)
[05:34] <vrok> vixus: mount with umask=022
[05:34] <_Xavi_> umask=0222
[05:34] <vixus> ?!!
[05:34] <vixus> Mount what. o_O
[05:34] <vrok> vixus: uch ;)
[05:34] <vidar> it is mounted, but only the root user can view it
[05:34] <vrok> vixus: open /etc/fstab
[05:35] <vixus> You're speaking to the wrong guy, vrok.
[05:35] <_Xavi_> vidar: edit the mount options in fstab
[05:35] <vidar> ?
[05:35] <_Xavi_> append ,umask=0222
[05:35] <vrok> vixus: as a root, type 'gedit /etc/fstab'
[05:35] <_Xavi_> vidar: open a terminal and type "nano /etc/fstab"
[05:36] <_Xavi_> bah, vrok can help you :p
[05:36] <vixus> ...
[05:36] <vrok> vixus: then find line with the ntfs partition
[05:36] <vixus> ....
[05:36] <vrok> vixus: and then, add ',umask=0222' to fourth column
[05:36] <vixus> why?
[05:37] <vidar> yep, im in /etc/fstab
[05:37] <vrok> arhg
[05:37] <vrok> damn irssi, damn tabl completion
[05:39] <vixus> vrok.... heh.
[05:39] <vrok> vixus: sorry :)
[05:39] <vixus> Np.
[05:44] <andreas_> Anyone here that had any luck installing openoffice 2?
[05:45] <andreas_> 23Guys?
[05:45] <vixus> how come there ain't FF1.0 for Ubuntu?
[05:46] <andreas_> There is... I`m using it
[05:46] <hawke_> andreas_: I've got ooffice2 installed
[05:46] <hawke_> andreas_: no problem
[05:46] <CicalaMvta> ff?
[05:47] <hawke_> CicalaMvta: firefox
[05:47] <andreas_> hawke_ Have you still got that lame crossed out splash screen as in the 1.9s?
[05:47] <CicalaMvta> ooops :)
[05:48] <hawke_> andreas_: I don't find it to be lame, but yes
[05:48] <StoffBox-Steve> i think hoary has FF1. vixus , but dont know i installed it manuell
[05:48] <vixus> i want to install it manually too.
[05:48] <vixus> later.
[05:48] <andreas_> hawke_ I jsut find it a bit strange that the Debian guys have got the new one but we don`t
[05:48] <CicalaMvta> works fine on warty too. just dl and unpack the binaries
[05:50] <andreas_> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox - that will get you going
[05:50] <StoffBox-Steve> right CicalaMvta, Use or Install  both goes :)
[05:51] <lunitik> andreas_: umm.. most people will already have firefox installed... reason for firefox being at 0.9 in warty as due to Java related issues amoungst other things
[05:52] <andreas_> lunitik I`m aware of the fact that most people allready have it - that`s just the way I managed to update it in Warty
[05:52] <lunitik> andreas_: probably only because you have warty-updates enabled in sources.list
[05:53] <andreas_> lunitik I hounoustly cannot remember whether I had... Using Hoary now
[05:53] <lunitik> andreas_: same here  :)
[05:53] <andreas_> Have a question though
[05:54] <andreas_> I`m new to linux but would like some RSS feeds to integrate with the desktop. Is that possible?
[05:54] <kent> Do Dell have some special format on their mainboards, or is it easy to change the mainboard to a new one? My brother has a P4 motherboard, but since it stoped working he is thinking of buying a cheap AMD one..
[05:54] <StoffBox-Steve> yes andreas_ , gdesklets can make that, i think
[05:54] <zx> hey google http://www.tcpsecurity.com/ :)
[05:54] <ells> can anyone tell me how to execute a .run file
[05:55] <lunitik> ells: ./whatever.run?
[05:55] <scizzo> ells: chmod +x file.run
[05:55] <andreas_> Ohh... I`ve heard that gdesklets should be both difficult and unstable
[05:55] <hawke_> ells: usually, sh whatever.run
[05:55] <scizzo> ells: ./file.run
[05:55] <lunitik> ells: after doing what scizzo said
[05:55] <ells> okay
[05:56] <ells> the file is ut2004-lnx-demo3334.run
[05:56] <yqyq22> I have a problem with a network printers
[05:56] <scizzo> ells: and....?
[05:56] <StoffBox-Steve> runs fine by mine .. but i only using it for some info ( FAN CPU TEMP EMAIL DATE ) .. and only very basic think not grafikstuff ...
[05:56] <ells> okay, I tried your guys commands, they did not work
[05:57] <yqyq22> there is a printer xerox that is joined to a microsoft windows200 server
[05:57] <hawke_> ells: what error message?
[05:57] <scizzo> ells: details please
[05:57] <ells> one second
[05:57] <yqyq22> I would like to install my printer
[05:57] <andreas_> stoffBox How do you set it up after installing?
[05:57] <yqyq22> I don't have a output
[05:58] <andreas_> Date, mail, ethernet sounds fine
[05:58] <ells> I will be quiet, it is working now, thanks
[05:58] <unamaus> l
[05:58] <unamaus> jeu
[05:59] <unamaus> hello?
[05:59] <unamaus> who
[05:59] <StoffBox-Steve> install it and than you can find it under > Application > "extras" *german its "zugehr" > gdesklets... than simple doppelklick what you want and paste it on the desktop ...
[05:59] <andreas_> Stoffbox: Sounds neat but it soesn`t come with apt-get, doesit? I cannot find it.
[06:00] <unamaus> i need help i can't seem to get my 3 other SCSI drives to show
[06:00] <StoffBox-Steve> or you can go on the Console and use > gdesklets shell
[06:00] <IRCsloth> anyone here have a good lightwight terminal? One that offers tabs like kterm or gnome terminal would be nice.
[06:00] <thorN> Anyone know a good file server program?
[06:01] <lunitik> IRCsloth: no such thing as 'kterm'... konsole
[06:01] <IRCsloth> I'm on a P4 2.4ghz box with 1GB ram and full screen text scrolling is using almost all my cpu..
[06:01] <evarlast> IRCsloth: gnome-terminal?  its not so heavy.
[06:01] <IRCsloth> I think it's font related
[06:01] <stingaa> anyone installed linux-wlan-ng
[06:01] <unamaus> can anyone direct me to a site that could show how to get multiple scsi drives to show?
[06:01] <StoffBox-Steve> *args* desktop frezze
[06:02] <evarlast> IRCsloth: there is a bug in hoary X right now.  makes things SLOW
[06:02] <IRCsloth> if I shell into a box and do a compile or a large directory listing my CPU goes to 100% while the screen in scrolling.. maybe I'm lookiung an an nvidia driver problem
[06:02] <unamaus> chat and to get an dual monitors working on an ati
[06:02] <unamaus> argh
[06:02] <IRCsloth> I was running haory but I went back to Warty+backports last week due to the slowness
[06:02] <unamaus> sorry about that earlier one, mud..hehe
[06:03] <StoffBox-Steve> you can get it over apt-get .. but dont ask me what you source you need in the list .. i have you more that the basics
[06:03] <evarlast> IRCsloth: so you are running Xfree4 and not Xorg?
[06:04] <yqyq22> strange, the printer is ready, i launch a print and I see "printing=job printing" in the state
[06:05] <IRCsloth> evarlast: xfree 4.3.0
[06:05] <yqyq22> I have a xerox docuprint-N32
[06:05] <unamaus> i'm very new to ubuntu and would like very much to get my dual monitors to work as well as get my scsi drives to show can anyone help me?
[06:05] <IRCsloth> and the Nvidia package
[06:06] <StoffBox-Steve> for dual head you need to set up the 2nd monitor in the xorg or xfree86 config  yqyq22, just google a bit and you need usefull stoff :D
[06:07] <oly> is it an nvidia dual head card ?
[06:07] <unamaus> ati radeon 9800
[06:07] <evarlast> IRCsloth: maybe it is a config issue?  is glxgears SUPER FAST?
[06:07] <IRCsloth> let me check
[06:08] <oly> ah, dont know, but i had hours of fun setting up my nvidia for dual heads, could of given you the config, but it will be different if its radeon
[06:08] <yqyq22> ok, my output is Printing: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
[06:08] <blizah> i get the error that my pnpbios has caused a fatal error when i boot, is this something to worry about?
[06:08] <StoffBox-Steve> oly, you can show me your config :) have a Nvidia dual card but not set it up right know ... :)
[06:09] <unamaus> its ok, hopefully there will be something in the ubuntuforums soon
[06:09] <hawke_> yqyq22: Is that printer connected to the network?
[06:09] <yqyq22> yes
[06:09] <unamaus> chat what about scsi drives?
[06:09] <yqyq22> is ready
[06:10] <unamaus> sorry bout that again hehe i keep typing chat
[06:10] <vixus> ok, I installed firefox 1.01, how do I make it the default browser?
[06:10] <IRCsloth> glxgears is plenty fast... except when a terminal is scrolling.. like right now with irssi
[06:10] <IRCsloth> 10693 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2138.600 FPS
[06:11] <IRCsloth> 16471 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3294.200 FPS
[06:11] <vixus> please>
[06:11] <StoffBox-Steve> vixus, in console  > gnome-default-applications-properties  and then set up the path
[06:11] <yqyq22> seems that I need samba
[06:11] <yqyq22> i googled
[06:11] <hawke_> yqyq22: Why not print directly to the printer?
[06:12] <hawke_> yqyq22: rather than the windows print share?
[06:13] <Slack_Rox> ok first things first.. fix these nasty default fonts :|
[06:13] <unamaus> seems the howtos only help for ide drives
[06:13] <unamaus> no scsi help
[06:13] <oly> can i add to the menu in hoary ? or create a new menu ?
[06:13] <oly> the add option does not seem to exist like it did in warty
[06:14] <yqyq22> the printer is shared, I' m directly connected
[06:14] <yqyq22> and I' ve permission
[06:14] <unamaus> anybody?
[06:19] <memer> any plans for xubuntu (xfce4 on ubuntu)? and how about some gui admin tools like libranet's adminmenu or SuSE's YaST?
[06:20] <oly> memer, cant you just add xfce4 from synaptic ?
[06:20] <CicalaMvta> suse's yast? =:O
[06:20] <memer> well, i suppose. just thinkin if kubuntu is out, mebbe one step further?
[06:21] <memer> cicalamvta: well, the general gist anyway is quickie admin control.
[06:22] <Blissex> memer: I think someone is doing KUbuntu, which is a lot of a better idea than XUbuntu...
[06:22] <memer> and by "one step further" i mean doing up a low(er)-resource desktop.
[06:23] <will> who runs hoary here?
[06:23] <pussfeller> there should be a CLUbuntu
[06:23] <CicalaMvta> *lol*
[06:23] <memer> blissex: why so? and i wasn't thinking in terms of a either/or. could do em both
[06:23] <pussfeller> with no xerver
[06:23] <Blissex> but then, if Kanotix and Knoppix are out too, KUbuntu is a lot less cool than if they weren't.
[06:23] <CicalaMvta> not even ncurses? *gg*
[06:23] <Blissex> pussfeller: well, that sort of can bre achieved now...
[06:23] <pussfeller> no thats NCubuntu
[06:24] <stingaa> xan someone help me with my wireless usb net adapter
[06:24] <stingaa> can*
[06:24] <Blissex> Why no TUbuntu, using the Curses based window system/manager Twin?
[06:24] <Blissex> stingaa: you should ask questions directly, not ask if some can help you about some generic subject!
[06:24] <memer> ;-)
[06:24] <pussfeller> there could be pybuntu which boots to a python shell
[06:24] <memer> just sayin
[06:25] <stingaa> how do i get my wireless network adapter working on ubuntu?
[06:25] <memer> awright comedians ... well, so how about a yast/adminmenu clone?
[06:25] <pussfeller> which actually i wonder why we use bash when python would seem to be better
[06:25] <Blissex> memer: There are plenty of those an 'apt-get' away.
[06:26] <memer> ? you can get adminmenu or yast via apt-get? surely you jest too far
[06:26] <stingaa> :\
[06:26] <Blissex> memer: not exactly those, but n00b-helper admin apps. You know, 'webmin', 'linuxconf' style things.
[06:26] <tritium> we don't need no stinkin' adminmenu or yast
[06:27] <zenrox> nope
[06:27] <zenrox> i left linuxconf bhind 2 years ago
[06:27] <pussfeller> there should be at least a common framework for system administration guis to work with
[06:28] <zenrox> the comand line = linux conf
[06:28] <zenrox> hehehe
[06:28] <CicalaMvta> you mean something like debconf? :)
[06:28] <memer> ! wow. i beg to differ. webmin and linuxconf are not the same as libranet's adminmenu.  if you haven't actually seen/used it, then don't bother commenting. it really is a useful tool. espeically for noobs, which is  a key target audience for ubuntu no? i'm surprised at youse.
[06:29] <stingaa> sigh, how can something as easy as getting on the net take so long
[06:29] <pussfeller> i dont like webmin
[06:29] <tritium> most things are configurable with gnome tools by now anyway
[06:29] <tritium> if you really want a gui
[06:29] <zenrox> pussfeller, i dont like having to open a port on my firewall if i installed webmin
[06:29] <memer> me neither. it pales in comparison to (say) adminmenu. honestly, it's worth a look. if you guys could add that to ubuntu, it would take it a def step toward ma an pop penetration
[06:30] <memer> can you install flash or java with gnome tools?
[06:30] <tritium> yeah, synaptic can install flashplugin
[06:30] <memer> find an adminmenu (libranet) review and you'll see what i mean
[06:31] <GammaRay> can ubuntu nondestructively resize ntfs during the install?
[06:31] <tritium> java has licensing issues
[06:31] <memer> all from ONE place, my friends
[06:31] <pussfeller> does java make you come tot heir site to download
[06:31] <pussfeller> i think they used to
[06:31] <memer> not sure how it works in libranet
[06:32] <coroner> there is a very basic gui for samba file sharing in fedora 1, is there a similar thing for ubuntu, im running warty
[06:32] <selinium_> Hi all, the is a deb install of skype at http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ HOw do i get this on my machine? Sorry i am new to all this! :)
[06:32] <Deft> does anyone know if rosetta is supposed to be working properly at the moment?
[06:33] <GammaRay> coroner: browsing or creating shares?
[06:33] <tritium> man, libranet has 2.4 kernel and XFree86 still?
[06:33] <zenrox> selinium_, id get the tar.gz of skype
[06:33] <coroner> GammaRay: creating
[06:33] <Deft> coroner, yes there is, the gnome-system-tools one
[06:33] <Deft> coroner, but it's only included in hoary
[06:33] <selinium_> zenrox: But if i can sort out the deb won't it keep intself updated?
[06:33] <memer> from one review: "Plug-ins like Flash, RealPlayer and Java can be added using this tool (RealPlayer has to be first downloaded as its location on the web never stays constant), modules can be added, your monitor DPI can be adjusted and your sound can be set up. I even did a kernel recompile using this power-tool."
[06:33] <pussfeller> skype any good?
[06:33] <virtuald> selinium_: it's in the FAQ
[06:34] <GammaRay> Deft: is that the one I keep seeing in gnome 2.10 previews?
[06:34] <zenrox> selinium_,  only if you keep up to date on the skype site
[06:34] <coroner> ahh thanks Deft, april is the stable release date for hoary yeah?
[06:34] <kent> IRCsloth, does it also eat CPU if you minimize the window?
[06:34] <zenrox> selinium_, its sudo dpkg -i skype*.deb
[06:35] <TPC> now this is weird. I get no sound when I try to play a video in ubuntu, and when I try to play it in mplayer I doesn't even show the video. sound only works fine in mplayer.
[06:35] <blizah> not now
[06:35] <TPC> s/ubuntu/totem/
[06:35] <Deft> coroner, yes, hoary is the 5.04 release
[06:36] <zenrox> tpc do you have the wincodec32 package installed
[06:36] <TPC> zenrox, yes. it worked fine yesterday.
[06:37] <zenrox> TPC,  maby the video settings got changed
[06:37] <TPC> I'm on hoary if that makes a difference, and I updated this morning
[06:37] <selinium_> zenrox: Like i say i am new to linux. what does dpkg mean?
[06:37] <zenrox> selinium_,  thats the comandline command like rpm
[06:37] <Xappe> hmm, how can I read a cd created with HFS+ in linux?
[06:37] <zenrox> selinium_,  but for debs
[06:38] <TPC> zenrox, and changed video settings shouldn't make mplayer crash
[06:38] <selinium_> Cheers zenrox, i now have Skype!
[06:38] <TPC> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[06:38] <TPC> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[06:39] <TPC> how do I find out what signal 11 is?
[06:39] <zenrox> TPC,  so its audio then
[06:39] <TPC> zenrox, but if I play audio without video it works fine
[06:39] <TPC> I've tried two different video files so its not a bad video file
[06:39] <zenrox> tpc might be the audio with that movie
[06:39] <virtuald> TPC: man kill (it's segmentation fault, i.e. program crashed)
[06:39] <zenrox> its probly encoaded diferently
[06:40] <TPC> how do I find out what audio codec it use then?
[06:40] <zenrox> tpc the hardway or the easy way
[06:40] <GammaRay> TPC: try man 7 signal
[06:41] <TPC> mplayer says this: Selected audio codec: [a52]  afm:liba52 (AC3-liba52)
[06:41] <zenrox> hmm
[06:41] <zenrox> make shure the ac3 is installed
[06:42] <TPC> I'll try to install gstreamer0.8-a52dec and try it in totem again
[06:42] <memer> ok, one more try: here's a link to a libranet review: http://tinyurl.com/6pz6s the bit about Adminmenu is in the second paragraph below the screenshot.  What do youse think -- wouldn't something like that be beneficial for ubuntu, too?
[06:42] <tritium> youse?
[06:42] <memer> heh.
[06:43] <LinuxJones> memer, don't they ask like $120.00 US for Libranet ?
[06:43] <tritium> memer, tools like that already exist.  gdmsetup configures gdm, for example
[06:43] <tritium> keyboard settings too
[06:43] <memer> um, i think it's $60 now (tho you cna get it free too). but that's not the point. i'm not pushing the distro per se, i want some feedback re the usefulness of the Adminmenu feature. take off the blinders guys ;-)
[06:44] <memer> (i mean, youse ;-))
[06:44] <tritium> seems unnecessary to me
[06:44] <delltony> Riddell, are you around? I have question in regard to kubuntu. how do you set hte menu's for it or can you? as in add to the menu items and remove from
[06:44] <zenrox> tritium,  but it does put it in one place
[06:44] <bur[n] er> anyone have a recommendation for an id3 tagger that uses freedb/cddb?
[06:44] <LinuxJones> memer, adminmenu has some nice features but alot are redundant now
[06:44] <bur[n] er> easytag works, but it's interface is bleh
[06:44] <memer> well, it's uneccessary if you know what to do. sure. but isn't part of ubuntu's mandate to spread to mom an pops?
[06:45] <memer> i.e. non-techy people
[06:45] <zenrox> memer,  moms an pops are using it now
[06:45] <memer> LinuxJones: oh yeah? like which?
[06:45] <memer> zenrox: not sayin there aren't techy ma an pops around now.
[06:45] <bur[n] er> not mine :)
[06:45] <memer> (sheesh)
[06:46] <LinuxJones> memer, the compile kernel feature is not needed for most people. Only those running servers or exotic hardware need to re-compile a kernel.
[06:46] <zenrox> ya and memer my mom will be using linux  and she is 47
[06:46] <zenrox> and she has never tuched a computer
[06:47] <tritium> most configuration tools are in one place: under "Administration"
[06:47] <TPC> it works with sound in totem now, but for some reason the video is alot slower than it should be. But not extremly slow as it can be when theres a bad file, and I know that the file is ok, because its a part of a serie and I've watched the 5 previous movies of that serie, they are all the same (even identical filesize, so it must be encoded with the exact same options)
[06:47] <tritium> Or, if you have gnome-system-tools installed, under Applications->System Tools
[06:47] <blizah> i have ubuntu installed on an ide drive and windows installed on a sata raid...how do i go about getting ubuntu to see the windows sata raid?
[06:47] <memer> ok, let's put it this way, woudln't it be NICE if it were around? i mean, slacktivists get by just fine without pkg mgmt, but that doesn't mean there aren't more convenient ways to go about things (eg apt-get)
[06:47] <Riddell> delltony: menus are broken in our KDE 3.3, try the 3.4 packages to fix it
[06:47] <LinuxJones> marksbry, hi
[06:47] <marksbry> lhas there been a fix yet for the sata pata problem yet?
[06:47] <tritium> And my 57-year old mother is getting along just fine in ubuntu
[06:48] <marksbry> hey Linuxjones you helped me before I used the name nubuntu
[06:48] <LinuxJones> marksbry, oh hi :)
[06:48] <unamaus> i have a similar problem as yours blizah
[06:48] <blizah> you have any luck?
[06:48] <unamaus> with scsi hard drives
[06:48] <unamaus> no luck
[06:48] <memer> "nubuntu".. good one :D
[06:48] <zenrox> tritium,  spred ubuntu to the nursing home
[06:48] <zenrox> lol
[06:48] <LinuxJones> marksbry, that was usb cdrom not working on sata hard drive ?
[06:48] <tritium> zenrox, :)
[06:48] <marksbry> I got the system installed with that bugzilla site you sent me, but for some reason I still can't use cdrom within the ubuntu os
[06:49] <yqyq22> a last problem with evolution mail and exchange2003
[06:49] <marksbry> pata cdrom and sata hd
[06:49] <unamaus> i tried using using a config meant for ide and replaced hdd with sdd but that was a failure
[06:49] <tritium> ubuntu-calendar for all the old men in the nursing home ;)
[06:49] <zenrox> yep
[06:49] <yqyq22> the error is: Could not authenticate to server. (Password incorrect?
[06:49] <LinuxJones> marksbry, your probably going to have to load those same modules from the website into /etc/modules
[06:49] <blizah> is the next ubuntu gonna support raid, sata, scsi?
[06:49] <zenrox> and playgirl.com for the ladys
[06:49] <unamaus> i hope so
[06:49] <marksbry> could you send me the website again pls, I will bookmark it in my ubuntu page, I lost it when xp crashed on me :(
[06:49] <LinuxJones> marksbry, if it worked during install it will work after install
[06:50] <LinuxJones> marksbry, oh dear I didn't bookmark it .... let me see if I can find it
[06:50] <tritium> marksbry, xp crashed?  Wow, how rare... ;)
[06:50] <delltony> riddel, can i apt-get upgrade it?
[06:50] <marksbry> ROFL...yeah piece of cowdung
[06:51] <marksbry> eastlink.ca, are you from the maritimes Linuxjones?
[06:51] <rcchan> can someone direct me to an ubuntu newbie room if there is one?
[06:51] <unamaus> there is
[06:51] <tritium> rcchan, you're most welcome here
[06:51] <LinuxJones> marksbry, yeah Nova Scotia
[06:52] <Mike37> is thomas black here ?
[06:54] <Mike37> is anyone from hbd here ?
[06:54] <LinuxJones> marksbry, I can't seem to find it right now, I have to get a coffee and a cig.
[06:55] <moritz__> So why is it that xorg in hoary takes up 100% system after about a minute I start UT2k4?
[06:55] <sensei__> anyone know when we might get the 1.0.1 version of firefox
[06:55] <Juippis> sensei__: use installer?
[06:56] <delltony> Riddell, you mind explaining how i update to that version in which you speak of in kde? i'm using the kpackage
[06:56] <sensei__> i tried apt-get upgrade, none listed
[06:56] <marksbry> I used to spend my summers in NB LinuxJones...I seemed to have fixed the problem by switching channels around
[06:56] <sensei__> perhaps i need a dif source
[06:56] <marksbry> and playing around with sata modes
[06:57] <Juippis> sensei__: download installer from mozilla.org and install that to /usr - create symbolic links and that should work?
[06:58] <Mike37> anyone from  HBD Venture Capital here ?
[06:58] <snowblink> On Warty, is there any trick to getting the CD Player to download track info?
[06:58] <sensei__> i knew that, i would prefer a package
[06:59] <Riddell> delltony: you need the deb line from http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-March/000023.html
[06:59] <Juippis> sensei__: :)
[06:59] <Riddell> delltony: don't know about kpackage but that needs to go in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:59] <delltony> ok thats fine
[06:59] <delltony> id rather use command line anyway
[06:59] <spiral> hi
[06:59] <uMkulu> privet, spiral
[06:59] <delltony> but whats the package i'm after ;)
[07:00] <yqyq22> what is the command to install ximian-connector-2.0.2
[07:00] <yqyq22> ? please
[07:01] <Riddell> delltony: apt-get update && apt-get install kdebase
[07:01] <delltony> ok thanks i just wasn't sure
[07:02] <Myrtti> ffs, isn't there any easy way of getting divx flicks working?
[07:03] <delltony> wow Riddle depend issues out the ying yang
[07:03] <LinuxJones> marksbry, you got it fixed ;)
[07:03] <bur[n] er> Myrtti: apt-get install totem-xine
[07:03] <Myrtti> thanks
[07:03] <avirox> hi all
[07:03] <goron> What exactly does ubuntu add to Debian?
[07:04] <avirox> is there a way to use WINE on my 64bit version of ubuntu?
[07:04] <marksbry> yeah changed to legacy mode, got the bios to recognize sata as primary channel and moved cd rom to secondary...then it changed to hdc
[07:04] <lok> avirox, wine can't handle 64bit due to win
[07:04] <Myrtti> goron: basic difference is that ubuntu's easier to install
[07:04] <marksbry> it doesn't work in sata mode with 6 channels for some reason
[07:04] <LinuxJones> goron, tinely update, regular reloease cycle, support for 18 months...etc
[07:04] <Myrtti> and configure, if you're a newbie to linux
[07:04] <marksbry> would probably have to manually load the cdrom drivers in that case
[07:04] <lok> you can make it work but only in 32 bit
[07:04] <avirox> lok, how about wineX/cedega?
[07:04] <LinuxJones> marksbry, yeah
[07:04] <Myrtti> or even if your familiar on how to configure debian to server use, but want to have it on the desktop too
[07:04] <marksbry> thanks again, your presence seems to solve problems lol
[07:05] <lok> avirox, same things but a page about how install it in 32bits is on the ubuntu wiki
[07:05] <avirox> lok, do you mean work in the 64bit SO but in 32bit mode?
[07:05] <lok> yes
[07:05] <avirox> ah ok
[07:05] <Myrtti> 'cause Debian is teh sith when trying to configure it to the desktop. Did that answer your question, goron?
[07:05] <lok> but it's a little complicated to compile it with the 32bits library on a 64bits system without affect 64bit library
[07:06] <avirox> hmm
[07:06] <goron> The only reason I might install another distribution is because I have to recompile my nvidia drivers everytime I want to use my 3d hardware. I think someone broke something (and it's not me).
[07:06] <lok> it's not impossible but a little harder
[07:06] <lok> read this wiki it's on cedega
[07:06] <LinuxJones> goron, what distro are you using ?
[07:06] <lok> it explain 2 different manner to compile it
[07:06] <avirox> lok,  i cant quite find it
[07:07] <goron> LinuxJones: Debian.
[07:07] <LinuxJones> goron, Ubuntu has pre-compiled 3d binaries for ATI and Nvidia cards
[07:07] <goron> LinuxJones: Unstable
[07:07] <goron> LinuxJones: Tried that too.
[07:07] <LinuxJones> goron, in Ubuntu ?
[07:07] <goron> LinuxJones: The famous one liner doesn't work either.
[07:07] <goron> LinuxJones: no
[07:07] <goron> LinuxJones: I am not reading.
[07:07] <goron> LinuxJones: I was talking about Debian.
[07:07] <LinuxJones> goron, you have to install Ubuntu to use the binaries for you video card
[07:08] <LinuxJones> goron, sorry
[07:08] <goron> LinuxJones: Does ubuntu has the same file system layout as Debian?
[07:08] <LinuxJones> goron, if you have high-speed Internet connection why not give it a try. I guarantee you will love it
[07:09] <delltony> Riddell, you there?
[07:09] <will> totem-xine seems to leave grey bars at the top & bottom of the fullscreen mode -what is it?
[07:09] <LinuxJones> goron, yeah it is basically Debian unstable frozen, and then improved on
[07:09] <goron> LinuxJones: And you use Xorg, right?
[07:09] <lok> avirox, sorry it isn't on the ubuntu wiki
[07:10] <lok> is there http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[07:10] <avirox> ah thank you very much :)
[07:10] <will> they are very random, sometimes large sometimes smaller
[07:10] <Riddell> delltony: yo
[07:10] <LinuxJones> goron, in hoary yeah
[07:11] <LinuxJones> goron, Hoary is the development version which is hopefully going to be frozen for release in April
[07:11] <LinuxJones> goron, within a few weeks I hope
[07:11] <StoffBox-Steve> how to i setup firefox so its save .jpg .png .... automatic to the harddrive, and not ask me what to do with the file ?!
[07:11] <delltony> i'm getting dependency issues out the butt man
[07:12] <delltony> you mind if i pm you for a sec?
[07:12] <Quarupt> Happy friday
[07:12] <goron> LinuxJones: I already made a backup of my package list (probably the most valuable thing of a system conf) and my kernel confs. Probably I will switch to Ubuntu if I have the time.
[07:12] <goron> LinuxJones: Thanks for your help.
[07:12] <LinuxJones> goron, np ;)
[07:12] <lok> when hoary will be realesed does the hoary mirror alwways be the "unstable" or does I need to replace hoary by grumpy on the source.list ?
[07:13] <Marble2> Okay, someone has to help me, this is horrible. I'm stuck on windows
[07:13] <Marble2> whenever I reboot and choose linux at my LILO options it just says Loading Linux........ and hangs there
[07:13] <Marble2> I can't think of anything to fix it
[07:13] <lok> Marble2, calm down don't panic ..... oh god !
[07:13] <lok> :)
[07:13] <Marble2> I waited half an hour last night to see if I could get it to load :(
[07:14] <LinuxJones> Marble2, you installed lilo ?
[07:14] <lok> Marble2, have you a live cd of any linux distribution?
[07:14] <Myrtti> lok: prolly have to replace
[07:14] <Marble2> it's always been installed
[07:14] <Marble2> lok: yes, but the livecd doesn't work with my nforce2 mobo
[07:14] <lok> ok zhanks Myrtti
[07:14] <goron> LinuxJones: Don't tell me that Ubuntu uses lilo standardly.
[07:14] <lok> s/z/t
[07:14] <Marble2> I could go download a debian live cd or something
[07:14] <Marble2> goron: it doesnt
[07:14] <LinuxJones> goron, no grub that's why I asked him :D
[07:14] <Marble2> grub doesn't work for me
[07:14] <Marble2> so I had to use lilo
[07:15] <Marble2> but without any live cd, is there a way for me to get back to ubuntu/?
[07:15] <lok> weird with hoary lilo doesn't work on my laptop ...
[07:15] <goron> LinuxJones: Thank God. Grub always works.
[07:15] <LinuxJones> goron, lilo is poison as far as I am concerned
[07:15] <lok> Marble2, the best is that you dl a live-cd then boot on it and chroot your linux partition
[07:16] <Marble2> what does chroot do?
[07:16] <lok> and replace lilo by a good one or a grub as you want
[07:16] <Marble2> maybe lilo got messed up... whever I update with apt-get it wants to mess with my lilo.conf but I always say no
[07:16] <Marble2> well what's a good one?
[07:17] <neighborlee> Marble2, technically I  really can't explain it but it allows you to go in and salvage a system for example..it 'roots' you to your environment so you have access to the commands ( chroot /mnt/sysimage: for example)
[07:17] <Marble2> never mind that, I'll go get a live cd
[07:17] <Marble2> what should I use?
[07:17] <lok> chroot /dev/yourhdpart and it's like if you booted that partition
[07:17] <goron> Marble2: The idea is that it CHanges your ROOT (/).
[07:18] <Marble2> oh ok
[07:18] <lok> DESCRIPTION
[07:18] <lok>        Run COMMAND with root directory set to NEWROOT.
[07:18] <avirox> lok, is there a free version of cedega available?
[07:18] <neighborlee> Marble2, atm I dont know if ( someone maybe can answer as I've never used it) the hoary LIVECD has rescue mode but I know that there are rescue CD's out there
[07:18] <Marble2> well the Ubuntu live cd doesn't work on my mobo
[07:18] <neighborlee> avirox, yes but its lacking important stuff like CD checking
[07:18] <Marble2> I want to make sure I get a live cd that will
[07:18] <lok> from the man of chroot, I can't explain chroot well myself
[07:18] <neighborlee> avirox, ie:cedega cvs
[07:18] <lok> avirox, use the cvs version is free
[07:18] <neighborlee> lok, heh
[07:19] <avirox> k thx
[07:19] <Amaranth> damn spam bots are joining all the large channels to get info, even freenode
[07:19] <Quarupt> why is the xchat update taking ofever???
[07:19] <neighborlee> howver having said that..if you use cedege please play equally native linux games or we'll never make enough inroads ;-)) ( one danger IMO of cedega )
[07:19] <Marble2> I'm going to get a knoppix live cd
[07:19] <Marble2> is that ok?
[07:20] <neighborlee> Marble2, I dont think they have rescue mode
[07:20] <neighborlee> but I could be wrong
[07:20] <Amaranth> one just joined #freenode and more then likely got a list of users before quitting
[07:20] <Marble2> ugh
[07:20] <Amaranth> they do it here too
[07:20] <Marble2> well uh
[07:20] <Marble2> what does rescue mode get me?
[07:20] <Disaster> sorry... someone use CANON I250 printer with Ubuntu ?
[07:20] <neighborlee> Marble2, into your system to do chroot and fix things for example
[07:20] <Marble2> oh
[07:20] <Marble2> well what's the best live cd out there with rescue mode?
[07:20] <neighborlee> i've had to do it  more than once
[07:21] <neighborlee> Marble2, one BIG example is to run say: grub-install /dev/hda
[07:21] <neighborlee> Marble2, if you have to reintall windows..that command is Mandtory ;-))lol
[07:21] <Marble2> hm?
[07:22] <spazery> when my ubuntu machine boots it always stops for ages trying to get the time from the ubuntu website, how can i stop this happening
[07:22] <neighborlee> Marble2, well because windows takes over the MBR and there is no way back into linux
[07:22] <spazery> can i remove it from the menu
[07:22] <marksbry> I am polluting ubuntu, somebody stop me
[07:22] <neighborlee> marksbry, somebody sssssssssstop me
[07:22] <Marble2> I'm really confused neighborlee
[07:22] <marksbry> I am installing windows xp over win4lin
[07:22] <neighborlee> Marble2, well if your new these aren't concepts you grab overnight so dont worry
[07:22] <Marble2> ok
[07:23] <djp> does anybody here know how to get transcode working under ubuntu?
[07:23] <Marble2> well what do I do to get back to my ubuntu partition
[07:23] <Marble2> get that working
[07:23] <Marble2> what would you suggest as the best option
[07:23] <lok> djp, what is transcode?
[07:23] <Disaster> sorry... someone use CANON I250 printer with Ubuntu ?
[07:24] <lok> Disaster, no I don't but talk, your probleme can be generic
[07:24] <cocol> transcode audio/vidoe editing?
[07:24] <tritium> djp, you can get it off of the marillat repo (ftp.nerim.net)
[07:24] <goron> Disaster: Look linux-printing.org with or without -
[07:24] <neighborlee> Marble2, im prob. not the best to do so..the only one i've used is 'fedora' s #1 CD and then used rescue mode..but i'm SURE there are other sa LIVECD's that surely offer a rescue mode ..which then lets you run either Lilo or Grub to get linux going again
[07:24] <Marble2> ok
[07:24] <goron> Disaster: If it works on Linux, it will work on Ubuntu.
[07:24] <Marble2> so uh can anyone else help me out?
[07:25] <neighborlee> can someone suggest a livecd that has rescue mode ?
[07:25] <Marble2> I don't know what live cd to get
[07:25] <lok> there a rescue mode on the hoary cd
[07:25] <goron> Disaster: And if not, I will uninstall Ubuntu right away :-)
[07:25] <tritium> neighborlee, http://www.sysresccd.org/
[07:25] <lok> but you must activated it after the normal install boot
[07:25] <neighborlee> lok, ahhhh didn't know....good to remember
[07:25] <djp> tritium: i have had no end of trouble trying to get it working! i'm sure i've tried that repo?
[07:25] <Disaster> goron.. tried... is unsupported on linuzprintig... in canon.newziland are drivers... on debian sarge i alened them (they are in rpm) on ubuntu the do not work... (instlle sharde librery too)
[07:25] <neighborlee> tritium, k thx making note ...
[07:26] <tritium> djp, is it installed?  What exactly is the problem?
[07:26] <tritium> neighborlee, sure :)
[07:26] <cocol> http://www.sysresccd.org/
[07:26] <neighborlee> tritium, actually You know I remember seeing that at distrowatch.org..where ubuntu is almost ready to overtake mepis <G>!!
[07:27] <cocol> Marble2 is for u
[07:27] <Marble2> ok
[07:27] <Marble2> downloading
[07:27] <tritium> neighborlee, excellent
[07:27] <soren9580> anyone in here know how to automatically ftp a file to a machine once it has finished downloading?
[07:27] <lok> I think the hoary realese make it go upper on the top 100
[07:27] <neighborlee> cocol, would that be better though than hoarty ( since its native ubunt)..anyway no doubt BOTH cd's are good since they support rescue mode ;-)
[07:28] <cocol> i dont know
[07:28] <neighborlee> tritium, I shouted when I saw we were within '6' of doing so ..hahaha i'm so ubuntuized
[07:28] <lok> soren9580, I don't understand what you want to do
[07:28] <tritium> :)
[07:28] <neighborlee> I want a T-shirt I think
[07:28] <soren9580> so i use BitTorrent to grab a lot of cool stuff off the net
[07:28] <djp> tritium: are you using wart or hoary?
[07:29] <tritium> djp, Hoary
[07:29] <goron> Ah.. kde crashes when too much is in the thrash.. I hate lazy programmers. Why does application software fails almost always, while (Linux) kernels work always?
[07:29] <soren9580> and when it finishes
[07:29] <soren9580> i have to ftp it from my server to my local machine
[07:29] <soren9580> and normally i do this manually
[07:29] <lok> goron, kernel can freeze to , I make it ^^
[07:29] <avirox> what do i use to install a .deb file?
[07:29] <soren9580> now, i think i've figured out a way to automate the torrent grabbing
[07:30] <LinuxJones> avirox, dpkg -i packagename
[07:30] <soren9580> but how do i get it to automatically copy the file to my local computer (a Unix box) when i'm done
[07:30] <LinuxJones> avirox, but it won't resolve any dependencies for you
[07:30] <avirox> ty
[07:30] <djp> tritium: that could be the issue for me... warty here
[07:30] <goron> lok: I know, but only had this with shitty nvidia (nforce) drivers. This is possible because of the architecture of Linux modules.
[07:30] <neighborlee> goron, non-flame bait but i've avoided kde finding it a bit buggy although i'm glad ubuntu users have access to kubuntu...( ICEauthority has bumed me more than once )
[07:30] <avirox> LinuxJones, how do i resolve dependencies?
[07:30] <tritium> djp, possibly
[07:30] <LinuxJones> avirox, it depends on what your installing
[07:31] <LinuxJones> avirox, what is it ?
[07:31] <LinuxJones> avirox, it might already be available
[07:31] <goron> neighborlee: What's kubuntu different than apt-get install kde on Debian?
[07:31] <goron> than->from
[07:31] <lok> goron, don't say that nvidia drivers are shitty ...... I have a radeon :(
[07:31] <soren9580> i figure i somehow have to look at the last time a file was updated
[07:31] <soren9580> by using the ls command
[07:31] <soren9580> but i'm not exactly sure how to do that
[07:31] <Mirv> any idea if there are still WLAN PCI or USB adapters on the market which don't need firmware uploaded to the adapter on each boot?
[07:31] <neighborlee> goron, dunno Ive not followed kubuntu threads much
[07:31] <goron> lok: Well, I heard horror stories about those too.
[07:31] <lok> soren9580, you can make a bash script maybe
[07:31] <soren9580> yea
[07:32] <soren9580> that's what i was thinking
[07:32] <blizah> is gmail smtp or sendmail?
[07:32] <blizah> im tring to set gmail up under evolution
[07:32] <lok> goron, when you try it you love nvidia drivers
[07:32] <Mirv> those firmware binaries are restricted anyway, and I'd like to stay away from those if possible
[07:32] <soren9580> but how do i get it to determine when a file is finished?
[07:32] <goron> lok: What exactly happens? x freezes? Or just lousy performance>
[07:32] <avirox> argh
[07:33] <avirox> is there a gui i can use for installign debian fils etc?
[07:33] <LinuxJones> avirox, you need to do sudo dpkg -i packagename
[07:33] <bestadvocate> hey anyone else running hoary on a AMD64?
[07:34] <lok> goron, it make you become mad then both freez and low performance
[07:34] <avirox> bestadvocate,  m
[07:34] <avirox> e
[07:34] <LinuxJones> avirox, there is a gui available for installing from the Ubuntu repositories it's called synaptic
[07:34] <lok> bestadvocate, yop me
[07:34] <lok> soren9580, mmh it's a quite good question
[07:34] <avirox> LinuxJones, i can add local files to that?
[07:34] <bestadvocate> avirox, lok, when you guys type "applications:///" in nautilus, do you get an error?
[07:35] <LinuxJones> avirox, you can use dpkg for that
[07:35] <lok> soren9580, try to see if your bt client can move your file when it finished
[07:35] <goron> lok: Well, I am only talking about the nforce drivers(for mobo). The graphics are rather good (if they work(which they do with a clean install a year ago)).
[07:35] <lok> and put theme on a specific folders
[07:35] <lok> bestadvocate, applications:///" is not a valid location.
[07:36] <lok> yes I have one
[07:36] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/media/D/Linux Downloads # sudo dpkg -i libpng3_1.2.8rel-1_all.deb
[07:36] <avirox> dpkg-deb: unexpected end of file in version number in libpng3_1.2.8rel-1_all.debdpkg: error processing libpng3_1.2.8rel-1_all.deb (--install):
[07:36] <bestadvocate> yah, thats supposed to be where you change your
[07:36] <bestadvocate> Applications menu
[07:36] <avirox> i dunno why im getting so many damn errors
[07:36] <bestadvocate> lok, avirox: i am getting the same thing with preffrences:
[07:36] <lok> bestadvocate, I thinks it's not amd64 but the latest version of gnome the probleme
[07:36] <bestadvocate> ok
[07:37] <lok> can someone on hoary test "applications:///" in nautilus ?
[07:37] <LinuxJones> avirox, that's available in the ubuntu repositories
[07:37] <ups> lok: it isnt available in hoary
[07:37] <goron> lok: It's pretty shitty too see that your audio hardware mixing works,..... and then freezes. Anyway, there are still stupid people in this world (I can't do anything about it, because nvidia was the least shittiest of them).
[07:38] <LinuxJones> avirox, you should check out www.ubuntuguide.org it's a good place to get started with Ubuntu
[07:39] <bestadvocate> lok, do you want to file a bug or should I?
[07:39] <avirox> right
[07:40] <lok> bestadvocate, you can do it
[07:40] <avirox> thing i have to do now is find out where to download the Wine packages
[07:40] <lok> but make it for the gnome team
[07:40] <lok> avirox, use the cvs after that you chroot
[07:41] <LinuxJones> avirox, wine is availabe in the universe repository
[07:42] <avirox> lok,  i get this:
[07:42] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/media/D/Linux Downloads # sudo apt-get install dchroot debootstr
[07:42] <avirox> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:42] <avirox> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:42] <avirox> E: Couldn't find package dchroot
[07:42] <[mitch] > got an array6 problem:  during install, detects and configures via dhcp my negear wg311 v2 wireless pci card, but is not available after reboot and final setup into gui
[07:42] <lok> avirox, do you use warty or hoary mirror?
[07:43] <WebMaven_> Hi folks, I was wondering why I haven't got a march-calendar update...
[07:43] <bestadvocate> lok: this would be a nautilus bug right?
[07:43] <lok> yes
[07:43] <avirox> hoary i think
[07:44] <lok> then make sure that you use main universe and multiverse repository
[07:44] <bestadvocate> right
[07:44] <lok> because I find dchroot
[07:45] <WebMaven_> how do I get the march calendar update in warty?
[07:45] <stingaa> my firefox freezes when i try to download something
[07:45] <lok> stingaa, all the time?
[07:45] <stingaa> yea
[07:45] <lok> WebMaven_, what is march calendar?
[07:45] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: i haven't gotten it yet either
[07:46] <|QuaD-> lok: just a different desktop image every month
[07:46] <lok> mmh I dunno this apps
[07:46] <WebMaven_> lok there is an ubuntu-calendar package that gives you a monthly updating desktop background.
[07:46] <stingaa> im starting to long for windows :\
[07:46] <avirox> what's point2play?
[07:47] <Myrtti> stingaa: you better get some medication, then
[07:47] <Myrtti> that's a disease
[07:47] <lok> avirox, it's a addon for cedega I thinl
[07:47] <Marble2> neighborlee: you still around?
[07:47] <stingaa> :\ been trying to get online for a day, then when i do firefox wants to be stupid, and ubuntu is lagging
[07:47] <WebMaven_> I saw the ubuntu-calendar-march package in the warty updates newsgroup, but synaptic doesn't know about it yet, for some reason.
[07:48] <Slack_Rox> Man this gonna take some getting used to...
[07:48] <WebMaven_> Slack_Rox: what wiil?
[07:48] <Slack_Rox> Debian way of things
[07:49] <WebMaven_> Slack_Rox: what's different (never used SLack)
[07:49] <WebMaven_> ?
[07:49] <Slack_Rox> init system for one lol
[07:49] <lok> package system
[07:49] <tizen> Hey guys, I made a ext3 partition with the livecd, copied a bunch of files on there, downloaded the hoary install iso onto that partition, burned it, and now with hoary installed i can't mount the partition... Any ideas?
[07:49] <WebMaven_> Slack_Rox: can you be more specific?
[07:50] <lok> WebMaven_, the slack init script is more on bsd style that system V
[07:50] <lok> s/that/than/
[07:50] <WebMaven_> lok:  Uhhh... OK.
[07:50] <stingaa> is there anything more userfreindly than ubuntu...
[07:50] <lok> stingaa, for?
[07:50] <WebMaven_> stingaa: yes, a nipple.
[07:51] <Slack_Rox> Honestly I really cant at the moment because I haven't figured out completely what is going on here.. Slackware more bsd style setup..
[07:51] <|QuaD-> stingaa: more user friendly???
[07:51] <stingaa> yea
[07:51] <stingaa> as in it doesnt take more than 24 hours to get wireless working
[07:51] <|QuaD-> stingaa: how much more userfriendly can you get?
[07:51] <WebMaven_> |QuaD-: so, is this a bug that needs reporting?
[07:51] <lok> tizen, when can't you mount it?
[07:52] <stingaa> and as in firefox doesnt freeze when i try to dl something
[07:52] <|QuaD-> stingaa: oh... maybe try windows then
[07:52] <vidar> Hi. How can i make the scrollwheel on my USB mouse work?
[07:52] <WebMaven_> nipples are more user-friendly than Ubuntu. At least for babies.
[07:52] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: hmm, one of the developers can fix it quickly when they are around
[07:52] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: did you try apt-get install ubuntu-calendar-march
[07:52] <|QuaD-> or something like that
[07:52] <WebMaven_> no, not from the command line.
[07:52] <blizah> im tring to configure outgoing mail in evolution for a gmail account...and on google it says  "Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL)" but evolution only has the options plain,NTLM/SPA,DIGGEST-MD5,CRAM-MD5,login, annd pop before SMTP...wchich should i choose?
[07:53] <WebMaven_> I did a search for 'calendar' and it doesn't show.
[07:53] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: hold on
[07:53] <Slack_Rox> there a place in the forums as far as getting all the development stuff installed?
[07:53] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: the package exists according to apt: ubuntu-calendar-march
[07:53] <WebMaven_> Slack_Rox: define "all the development stuff"?
[07:53] <|QuaD-> so you can install that
[07:54] <WebMaven_> |QuaD-: Hmm.
[07:54] <vidar> Hi. How can i make the scrollwheel on my USB mouse work?
[07:54] <WebMaven_> so, why does synaptic not show it?
[07:54] <Loevborg> vidar, what mouse do you have?
[07:54] <Slack_Rox> autoconf... blah blah
[07:54] <JanC> Slack_Rox : there is a meta-package for "development stuff"
[07:54] <Slack_Rox> ok
[07:54] <Slack_Rox> cool..
[07:54] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: no idea... i try to not use gui's :)
[07:54] <JanC> can't rmember the exact name  :)
[07:54] <WebMaven_> Slack_Rox: apt-get install cvs
[07:55] <Slack_Rox> I'll see if I can't find it..
[07:55] <vidar> Loevborg: its a MS-Tech USB Mouse, with 2 buttons and a scroolwheel.
[07:55] <tizen> lok: I can't mount it at all... Complains about bad superblock... I tried all the superblocks and still nothing... I was wondering if I booted back to the livecd if it would work?
[07:55] <tizen> lok: or any ideas
[07:55] <Loevborg> vidar, you're running warty?
[07:55] <vidar> no, hoary
[07:55] <WebMaven_> Slack_Rox: etc.
[07:55] <WebMaven_> |QuaD-: warty or Hoary?
[07:55] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: hoary
[07:55] <Slack_Rox> ubuntu = nice desktop though... quite impressed..
[07:55] <|QuaD-> you on hoary?
[07:55] <Slack_Rox> Hoary
[07:56] <Loevborg> vidar, you could do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select some other mouse driver.
[07:56] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/usr/bin # dir wi*
[07:56] <avirox> winex3  wish  wish8.4
[07:56] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/usr/bin # cd /usr/bin/winex3
[07:56] <avirox> bash: cd: /usr/bin/winex3: Not a directory
[07:56] <avirox> wtf :/
[07:56] <avirox> i used dpkg -i
[07:56] <tizen> avirox, is that the executable?
[07:56] <vidar> Ok, thanx man, ill try that!
[07:56] <avirox> dunno, how do i see he extensions?
[07:56] <avirox> i dont know where to access wine from
[07:57] <WebMaven_> |QuaD-: I'm on warty.
[07:57] <tizen> avirox, there are no executable extensions in linux
[07:57] <Agrajag> avirox: extensions?
[07:57] <WebMaven_> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar-march
[07:57] <WebMaven_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:57] <WebMaven_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:57] <WebMaven_> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-calendar-march
[07:57] <Slack_Rox> Used the hoary iso made on the 3rd... was expecting a few bugs but haven't found any yet...
[07:57] <tizen> avirox, If the file is in a bin/ then it's an executable mostly
[07:57] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: thats probably why.... how come you don't upgrade to hoary?
[07:57] <avirox> ah ok
[07:57] <Loevborg> vidar, you're welcome
[07:57] <avirox> tizen, i dont suppose you would know how to set it up? ^^
[07:57] <WebMaven_> |QuaD-: waiting for Hoary final.
[07:57] <tizen> try typing winex3
[07:58] <avirox> arr
[07:58] <tizen> as the command
[07:58] <tizen> see what it says
[07:58] <avirox> it asks for commandlines
[07:58] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: ok. just to let you know, hoary is more or less as stable as its going to get
[07:58] <WebMaven_> |QuaD-: I'm conservative.
[07:58] <avirox> but i remember there being a gui or somethign
[07:58] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: understandable :)
[07:58] <tizen> i've never used wine, did you check to see if there is a winex gui?
[07:58] <WebMaven_> WebMaven_: if that's true, what remains to be done before final?
[07:58] <WebMaven_> bah.
[07:59] <WebMaven_> |QuaD-: if that's true, what remains to be done before final?
[07:59] <Slack_Rox> gnome release? lol
[07:59] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: nothing really major i don't think, the packages are more or less frozen (just fixing bugs and security releases as they come around)
[07:59] <Marble2> ok, can someone help me out?
[07:59] <Slack_Rox> I
[08:00] <Marble2> I got the boot cd lok said to get, and I'm trying to mount my linux partition using chroot
[08:00] <WebMaven_> well,  you've put your finger on it. bugs. When folks are confident enough to make a final release, I'll upgrade.
[08:00] <Marble2> but it says "/dev/hdd4 is not a directory" :(
[08:00] <Marble2> any ideas?
[08:00] <Slack_Rox> I'm gonna go poke around the forums a bit... probably bbl with a ? or two...
[08:00] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: haha ok :)
[08:00] <WebMaven_> Meanwhile, Warty is supposed to continue getting these updates.
[08:01] <Marble2> anyone?
[08:01] <virtuald> does anyone else run traceroute-nanog? (from hoary universe)
[08:01] <WebMaven_> And I saw it checked in on the list.
[08:01] <avirox> how do i edit a file/program?
[08:01] <|QuaD-> avirox: what do you mean?
[08:01] <Marble2> lok: you here?
[08:01] <WebMaven_> So the fact that ubuntu-calendar-march is not available is a bug.
[08:01] <avirox> the tutorial states:
[08:01] <avirox>     *  Edit /usr/bin/cedega to find lib32
[08:01] <avirox> Add: /lib32:/usr/lib32 to the $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[08:01] <phosphorgreen> hi all. I'm trying to configure postfix on my ubuntu box to accept mail from IPs on my network - I would have thought adding an entry in inet_interfaces and $mynetworks would have done it, but it has not worked - any ideas?
[08:01] <|QuaD-> WebMaven_: i would assume
[08:02] <avirox> im not sure how to do that
[08:02] <|QuaD-> avirox: cedega is closed source right?
[08:02] <HcE> |QuaD-: yes
[08:02] <avirox> yea
[08:02] <virtuald> where de i report bugs to packages in universe?
[08:02] <|QuaD-> then you can't edit the program
[08:02] <virtuald> s/de/do/
[08:02] <phosphorgreen> warty does not accept bugs for universe.
[08:02] <avirox> oddly the tutorial seems to think so hehe
[08:02] <phosphorgreen> hoary may do.
[08:03] <Marble2> Can someone help me get back on ubuntu?
[08:03] <Marble2> whenever I boot up and choose linux in lilo options, it just hangs there
[08:03] <|QuaD-> avirox: that you can edit a program that is closed sourcE?
[08:03] <Marble2> I have a live cd I'm running right now, but chroot won't let me get into my linux partition
[08:04] <lok> Marble2, sorry I ve just get out
[08:04] <lok> what's happenned?
[08:04] <Marble2> I got the live cd you said to get
[08:04] <Marble2> I booted to it
[08:04] <Marble2> but I can't access my linux partition
[08:04] <lok> yes
[08:04] <bestadvocate> lok, avirox: i filed it, if you want to add anything its  169224
[08:04] <plagiats> hi everyone !
[08:04] <lok> ok bestadvocate
[08:04] <Marble2> chroot /dev/hdd4 gives me "dev/hdd4 not a directory"
[08:04] <uMkulu> bestadvocate is going to update and restart
[08:05] <lok> Marble2, sorry I ve told you a mistake
[08:05] <plagiats> I got a screen problem resolution (800x600) after installing kubuntu. Monitor was correctly detected by Warty, but it's a mess now. Can someone help me to put my 1024x768 back on track please ?
[08:05] <lok> you must mount it before
[08:05] <Marble2> oh hehe
[08:05] <Marble2> ok
[08:05] <avirox> is there an extension that i can use with dpkg to install it to a specified place or is it all program-dependant
[08:05] <zAmaranth> spammers have made me change my nick
[08:05] <lok> and chroot the mount point
[08:05] <avirox> ?
[08:05] <zAmaranth> this is sad
[08:05] <Marble2> I'll be right back, I'm on this windows computer downstairs
[08:05] <Marble2> got to run upstairs
[08:05] <|QuaD-> zAmaranth: spammers?
[08:05] <zAmaranth> yeah
[08:06] <|QuaD-> zAmaranth: how so?
[08:06] <zAmaranth> they join large channels (#freenode, #php, #ubuntu), grab the list of users, and start spamming in alphabetical order
[08:06] <|QuaD-> zAmaranth: and they used your nick?
[08:06] <lok> zAmaranth, do you refere them to the server op ?
[08:06] <zAmaranth> yes
[08:07] <zAmaranth> all 15 or so with different hostmasks now
[08:07] <zAmaranth> i gave up
[08:07] <zAmaranth> they aren't using my nick, they're spamming me
[08:07] <|QuaD-> zAmaranth: ohh, thats different
[08:08] <Levander> Just installed apache2 via apt-get.  I want to put the html files in the users home directories.  Is it setup by default to do this?
[08:08] <Marble2> lok: back
[08:08] <Marble2> it mounted fine, but when I run chroot /linx
[08:08] <Marble2> *linux rather
[08:08] <Marble2> i get
[08:08] <bur[n] er> Levander: in ~/public_html
[08:08] <Marble2> chroot:  cannot run command`/bin/zsh`:no such file or dir
[08:09] <avirox> does the 64bit edition of ubuntu (hoary) really have any advantages at the moment?
[08:09] <lok> wow strange
[08:10] <Marble2> yea
[08:10] <Marble2> what should I do
[08:10] <Marble2> does knoppix have the ability to run chroot? I have a live cd of that around somewhere
[08:10] <lok> I haven't zsh but chroot works
[08:10] <Marble2> hm?
[08:10] <lok> try with knoppix, and prey
[08:11] <Marble2> okay
[08:11] <goron> Marble2: yes
[08:11] <Xappe> anyone that can help me with hmount?
[08:11] <Levander> bur[n] er, thanks, though I was gonna have to configure for that.  Found something about userdir module in apache2.conf that I thought I was supposed to unconfigure - guess I didn't have to, worked! thanks!
[08:11] <tizen> hehe, my experiences with linux usually involve praying... Or at least a church...
[08:12] <tizen> at least they should.
[08:12] <|QuaD-> hmmm, i am putting ubuntu on my mom's computer (she just uses the web) what you think, hoary or warty?
[08:12] <Levander> warty
[08:13] <Levander> what hell she need hoary for?  might have to deal with bugs in hoary
[08:13] <Levander> much fewer in warty
[08:13] <|QuaD-> Levander: thats what i think too, but what if she wants a bleeding edge machine!!!! (she barely knows how to turn it on)
[08:13] <Levander> why would she care about a bleeding edge machine if she doesn't even know how to turn it on?
[08:14] <|QuaD-> Levander: it was a joke
[08:14] <Nigelenki> is there any significance to the test page
[08:14] <|QuaD-> i will probably do warty
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> I have lines around mine
[08:14] <lok> tizen, linux is not a religion but you practise a lot of strange rituals ^^
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> on the left side there's 6, the right has 3
[08:14] <tizen> lok: hehe, and a lot of fsck'ing :)
[08:14] <Levander> yeah, i do warty for myself even though I know about this stuff, no interest in finding the bugs and wasting the time
[08:14] <Levander> unless I was specifically just interested in working on ubuntu of course
[08:14] <bestadvocate> lok, linux is not a religion GNU pretty much is though
[08:14] <|QuaD-> Levander: i rarely find bugs in stuff, but i just want bleeding edge
[08:14] <Levander> i think some ppl qaing it is a hobby
[08:15] <tizen> Well, i've been playing with linux since Red Hat 5.0 :) But Ubuntu is the first time i've put it on my main desktop
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> heh
[08:15] <Levander> quad, i find bugs in warty!  at least there documented cause they've been out for a while
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> I just gave my mom the fucking manual
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> and told her to read it.
[08:15] <lok> bestadvocate, yeah you're right
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> 500 pages of basic Unix systems based on SunOS and BSD
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> (was supposed to be sys5)
[08:16] <Levander> tizen, yeah, they're really pretty close to a seamless desktop with ubuntu
[08:16] <Xappe> what key do you have to press to boot an ibook from cd?
[08:17] <tizen> i like it...
[08:17] <tizen> i'll like it a lot more if i can find a way to recover my files on the bork'd partition
[08:17] <neighborlee> does anyone here have a copy of 'libXxf86vm.so.1' they could DCC me possibly?..I need it for a project that sadly had to include it for some screen functions ( its in hoary only faik )
[08:17] <tizen> those files being like 8k worth of emails and all my pictures from digicam and all my work for the last 3 years
[08:18] <neighborlee> tizen, thanks indeed! ;-)
[08:18] <tizen> neighborlee: np, next ask for my /etc/passwd :)
[08:18] <tizen> lol
[08:19] <neighborlee> ROFL
[08:20] <tizen> anyone here notice a really big variation in speeds from the ubuntu servers?
[08:20] <LinuxJones> tizen, backup maybe ;P
[08:20] <tizen> Like, while i'm updating, it'll go 400 kb/s then drop to 1340 b/s
[08:20] <TPC> tizen, your /etc/passwd wouldn't do anyone anything good. /etc/shadow on the other hand... ;)
[08:20] <tizen> LinuxJones: backup?
[08:21] <tizen> TPC: true enough... Unless someone is curious to my real name :)
[08:21] <LinuxJones> tizen, you have to backup your stuff in case of hardware failure
[08:21] <tizen> LinuxJones: I put them on another partition... I thought they'd be safe
[08:21] <LinuxJones> tizen, :D
[08:21] <tizen> i've used that system for years
[08:21] <tizen> lol
[08:22] <blizah> is this the gmail notifier for linux i should get? http://gmail-notify.sourceforge.net/index.php
[08:22] <sigglet> blizah: yeah, thats what I use and it works great
[08:22] <TPC> blizah, I'd just enable their pop3 support and use any pop3 notifier. gives you alot more to choose from.
[08:23] <blizah> yea i just gotta get used to using one tpc
[08:23] <blizah> ive set it up under evolution
[08:24] <tizen> LinuxJones: i just need to find a way to get this data... I'm not giving up yet...
[08:24] <LinuxJones> tizen, I would google for data recovery linux
[08:25] <LinuxJones> tizen, I am sure there are projects for data recovery
[08:25] <tizen> LinuxJones: Been looking through those results for a day and a half
[08:25] <LinuxJones> tizen, argh
[08:26] <blizah> sigglet do i download the debain package or the standard linux sorce package for this gmail notifier?
[08:26] <tizen> LinuxJones: Yeah, it was working fine... I mke2fs from the livecd
[08:26] <tizen> used it to store the hoary iso
[08:26] <tizen> burned the hoary iso
[08:26] <tizen> installed
[08:26] <tizen> and when the system came back up, that partition won't mount
[08:27] <tizen> sirius:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /Stuff/
[08:27] <tizen> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, missing codepage or other error
[08:28] <Marble3> lok, you here?
[08:28] <lok> yop
[08:28] <Marble3> I'm on knoppix now
[08:28] <tizen> I got mke2fs to give me all the superblocks it would have as backups and i tried them all
[08:28] <Marble3> mounted and chrooted
[08:28] <Marble3> I ran lilo
[08:28] <Marble3> what else should I do?
[08:28] <Marble3> I wanted to check before I rebooted to see if lilo works, knoppix takes forever to load
[08:28] <lok> edit /etc/lilo.conf
[08:28] <LinuxJones> tizen,  you ran mke2fs on your backup directory ?
[08:28] <Marble3> nono, it's fine
[08:29] <Marble3> I didn't change it
[08:29] <Marble3> and it worked before
[08:29] <lok> and take a look if the linux label boot the good partition
[08:29] <Marble3> but it says I have to run the lilo command after a distro upgrade
[08:29] <tizen> LinuxJones: I ran it with the -n so it would give me the superblocks it would use if it was to mke2fs it
[08:29] <LinuxJones> tizen,  err partition rather
[08:29] <Marble3> and I think I upgraded last night through apt-get
[08:29] <cavediver> Hi guys. Any idea why the 2.92 version of file-roller suddenly wont support rar files as 2.91 did ?
[08:29] <Marble3> that might be why huh?
[08:29] <Marble3> maybe we should take this to pm
[08:29] <lok> try to reboot and see if it's works
[08:29] <Marble3> ok
[08:30] <Marble3> brb then
[08:30] <lok> k
[08:30] <tizen> Marble3: One thing i noticed with Ubuntu and some other distros... If you don't have a seperate partition for /boot, grub isn't a big fan
[08:30] <LinuxJones> tizen,  have you run e2fsck on that partition ?
[08:30] <lok> cavediver, sorry I don't know, you better look on the file roller support
[08:31] <tizen> LinuxJones: Yup, complains about bad superblock... That's how i specified all the different superblocks
[08:31] <cavediver> lok: seems strange to remove support for the most popular archive format ?
[08:31] <lok> tizen, I haven't a separated /boot and grub doesn't have one probleme
[08:31] <LinuxJones> tizen, have you tried the -p option to automatically repair that partition ?
[08:32] <LinuxJones> tizen, it probably won't work but it might be worth a try
[08:32] <Marble3> It worked it worked it worked
[08:32] <shock_> < cavediver> maybe you need to install rar-nonfree
[08:32] <Marble3> thanks so much lok :)
[08:32] <Marble3> I'm back on ubuntu
[08:32] <shock_> or whatever its called
[08:33] <Marble3> now if only my sound would work in vlc....
[08:33] <lok> cavediver, yes it's strange but maybe they wants to engage users to use bunzip or tarball
[08:33] <tizen> LinuxJones: Yeah, tried
[08:33] <cavediver> Perhaps.. I don't like it anyway..
[08:33] <tizen> lok: Does for me.. I don't know why
[08:33] <lok> Marble3, sorry I don't know vlc
[08:33] <cavediver> using untar for know
[08:33] <Marble3> hehe, don't worry about it
[08:34] <lok> ^^
[08:35] <tizen> LinuxJones: I'm gonna msg you ok?
[08:35] <LinuxJones> tizen, I have to run out for beer
[08:35] <tizen> I'd like to join you
[08:35] <LinuxJones> tizen, will be back in about 1/2 hour
[08:35] <tizen> 1 sec though
[08:35] <LinuxJones> ;)
[08:35] <LinuxJones> tok
[08:35] <tizen> wow, you're in halifax?
[08:35] <LinuxJones> tizen,  no Cape Breton
[08:36] <LinuxJones> I lived in HFX for 12 years
[08:36] <tizen> ah
[08:36] <tizen> ok, i saw the hostname
[08:36] <LinuxJones> ;)
[08:36] <tizen> I'm from near Yarmouth, but in HFX at Dal
[08:36] <Marble3> How can I add a custom link to my top toolbar
[08:36] <LinuxJones> register.com in in Yarmouth
[08:37] <Marble3> like I want to open nautilus and have it start in a certain folder
[08:37] <LinuxJones> ok dude thanks ;)
[08:37] <tizen> yeah
[08:37] <shock_> I wish there would be better support for USB stuff under ubuntu
[08:37] <Blissex> shock_: sweet dreams! :-)
[08:37] <tizen> shock_: I dunno what you've run into, but my printer works awesome with USB with Ubuntu... first time that's happened with linux.
[08:37] <Deft> shock_, it has the same support as any linux; what in particular don't you have?
[08:38] <shock_> x120 teledat usb isdn card
[08:38] <shock_> vigor 510 usb wireless
[08:38] <shock_> lexmark 11something printer
[08:38] <shock_> and a scanner
[08:39] <shock_> the scanner however doesnt work on anythign but windoze
[08:39] <shock_> *sigh*
[08:39] <Marble3> how do I set up my mouse so mouse4 and mouse5 work in firefox
[08:39] <Marble3> to go back and forth
[08:39] <Marble3> like they do in windows
[08:39] <shock_> printer, x120 and vigor all work on suse
[08:39] <shock_> not a clue @ Marble3
[08:40] <Deft> if something works on suse, it's probably worth searching/foruming... unless SuSE pays for licences or something
[08:41] <lok> Marble3, use an extension I thought
[08:41] <Marble3> for firefox?
[08:41] <lok> yes
[08:41] <Marble3> I dunno... it works without an extension in windows
[08:41] <Marble3> it works in windows explorer to
[08:41] <Marble3> maybe I need to map them to back/forward
[08:41] <Marble3> how would I do that?
[08:41] <sigglet> Marble3: what?
[08:41] <lok> it's the win driver which handle it
[08:42] <Marble3> how can I remap my mouse 4 and 5 keys to back/forward
[08:43] <Deft> Marble3, in windows it's probably set up to fake keypresses
[08:44] <lordzak> hello
[08:44] <uMkulu> hola, lordzak
[08:45] <lordzak> is there french here ?
[08:45] <lok> lordzak, yes
[08:45] <lordzak> cool :)
[08:45] <lordzak> qui ?
[08:45] <Nekohayo> moi :P
[08:45] <lok> va sur #ubuntu-fr t'aura une liste
[08:45] <lordzak> ok j'allais justement voir si ca existait
[08:46] <lordzak> (ps : elle est gniale cette distro...)
[08:48] <tizen> Moi je suis francais aussi :)
[08:48] <Marble3> How can I add a custom link to my top toolbar? like I want to open nautilus and have it start in a certain folder
[08:49] <tizen> Marble3: Right click and do Add to Panel...
[08:50] <Marble3> that only lets me add certain stuff
[08:50] <Marble3> that I can't configure
[08:50] <Nekohayo> is it possible to make amule user wxgtk2.5 without recompiling?
[08:51] <tritium> nice, here come the ubuntu-doc, -faqguide and -quickguide :)
[08:52] <jay_of_today> greetings everyone
[08:52] <Levander> My php4 under apache2 isn't connecting to mysql, any ideas how to trouble shoot?  I'm kinda lost now.
[08:53] <jay_of_today> could anyone of you tell me where to dl the kernel image WITH bootsplash?
[08:54] <jay_of_today> Levander, phpinfo();?
[08:54] <tritium> jay_of_today, there isn't one
[08:54] <Levander> I've done searching and reading, seems like I've done eveything I find, hoping for step by step instructions of how to test for stuff working.  Don't know either mysql or php.
[08:54] <jay_of_today> ahhhh!!  got it!! tritium
[08:54] <jay_of_today> perhaps debian packages tritium ?
[08:54] <Levander> jay_of_today, phpinfo works, php under apache is working
[08:54] <tritium> jay_of_today, instead, ongoing work is focusing on usplash (a userspace splash)
[08:54] <jay_of_today> what about mysql bindings Levander ?
[08:55] <tritium> jay_of_today, don't know about debian packages for you
[08:55] <Levander> jay_of_today, no it's the mysql bindings not working, via error message I get from wordpress install is only way i know
[08:55] <jay_of_today> I see tritium , so does the kernel image provided by ubuntu has usplash tritium ?
[08:55] <jay_of_today> ops
[08:55] <jay_of_today> ;)
[08:56] <tritium> jay_of_today, no, usplash is not available yet, but when it is, it won't be part of the kernel (it's userspace)
[08:56] <tritium> that's the beauty of it
[08:56] <jay_of_today> ok
[08:56] <jay_of_today> the only splash thingie thats left is the one on the live cd right?
[08:57] <Levander> jay_of_today, i have php4-mysql and libapache2-mod-auth-mysql installed.  And I edited /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini to uncomment mysql.so
[08:57] <lok> does someone know another good site than gnome.look or art.gnome for icon and gtk theme ?
[08:57] <tritium> jay_of_today, maybe
[08:57] <jay_of_today> art.gnome.org Loevborg
[08:57] <jay_of_today> sorry lok
[08:57] <Levander> still can't get php4 to connect to mysql under apache2
[08:57] <jay_of_today> :)
[08:57] <jay_of_today> what about a prob on the mysql configuration Levander ?
[08:58] <Marble3> lok, what was the site you told me earlier to get the live cd?
[08:58] <t31> hi I have a usb modem US Robotics 8500 and cant connect :(
[08:58] <t31> i have static ip
[08:58] <Levander> jay_of_today, know very little about mysql, how would I check?
[08:58] <jay_of_today> mysqladmin
[08:58] <lok> Marble3, which distrib ?
[08:58] <jay_of_today> from a shell
[08:58] <Levander> mysqladmin -u root password <newpwd> did work
[08:58] <Marble3> yea
[08:58] <Marble3> I can't remember the name
[08:58] <Marble3> system something
[08:58] <Levander> jay, don't know what else to try
[08:58] <jay_of_today> from localhost right Levander ?
[08:59] <Levander> jay, yeah, apache and mysql running on same host
[08:59] <Levander> my ubuntu box
[08:59] <Deft> Levander, can you run phpmyadmin? if you can then any more setup should be easy
[08:59] <Loevborg> Levander, what's the error message?
[08:59] <lok> Marble3, you sure that is me that you told it, I don't remember
[08:59] <t31> someone can help me?
[09:00] <Levander> loevbord, only error message I get is from wordpress, /wp-admin/install-php brings up a web page saying that it couldn't connect to the database
[09:00] <jay_of_today> Levander, try the examples on php.net
[09:00] <Marble3> ok
[09:00] <Levander> deft, haven't tried phpmyadmin yet
[09:00] <Loevborg> Levander, try using the mysql command client with the -exact- information you provided to wp.
[09:00] <t31> ubuntu doesnt work with usb adsl modems?
[09:00] <Levander> jay_of_today, they have any advice for troubleshooting the examples when I can't connect to database?
[09:01] <Levander> loevbord, how would I do that?
[09:01] <jay_of_today> they have a lot of tips actually
[09:01] <jay_of_today> they may be work for ya
[09:01] <Loevborg> Levander, "mysql -uuser -p database"
[09:01] <Levander> in mysql, i know what I supplied wp
[09:01] <jay_of_today> see ya pals
[09:01] <Levander> loevbord, what do I use in place of database?
[09:01] <jay_of_today> have a nice day
[09:02] <Levander> thanks jay, i'm gonna look at those examples if don't get working here, thanks a lot!
[09:02] <Levander> loevborad, in place of database in the command u gave
[09:03] <Loevborg> Levander, guess what! the name of your database!
[09:03] <rubixXx> whats the command to tell your kernel version
[09:03] <Loevborg> rubixXx, uname -a
[09:03] <Levander> loevborg, I tried "test" for the database name, a mysql prompt does come up
[09:04] <Levander> loevbord, i haven't created any databases myself yet - don't know how to!
[09:04] <Marble3> How can I add a custom link to my top toolbar? like I want to open nautilus and have it start in a certain folder
[09:04] <Marble3> I tried going through "Add to this panel" but that doesn't let me customizew
[09:04] <Marble3> -w
[09:05] <warty> holas
[09:05] <Loevborg> Levander, you'll have to read up on how to do that in the wordpress documentation.
[09:05] <Levander> loevbord, fuck, i figured it out!
[09:05] <Levander> in wp-config.php I was using my hostname and not just 'localhost' for the DB_HOST
[09:06] <Levander> no idea why it can't use the hostname
[09:06] <tizen> Marble3: It's Add to Panel you want... But you'll have to explore through there...
[09:06] <Xer> hi
[09:06] <Levander> no I get error about database 'wordpress' not being able to be selected, i thought they were gonna create it for me, gotta look into it
[09:06] <Levander> thanks a lot! for your help loevborg!
[09:07] <tizen> Marble3: Add to panel, custom launcher
[09:07] <tizen> and load nautilus from that
[09:07] <Loevborg> Levander, np
[09:07] <Marble3> thanks :)
[09:07] <tizen> Marble3: I'm just assuming that's how you do it... But I'm almost sure that's it
[09:08] <Xer> where i can find kernel source [.dep]  one?
[09:08] <Marble3> it is
[09:09] <billytwowilly> can anyone recommend a program like audacity but that will actually export to a bit rate and sampling rate I tell it to?
[09:09] <Loevborg> billytwowilly, "sox", but that's command line.
[09:09] <billytwowilly> Loevborg, I'll check it out anyway.
[09:10] <billytwowilly> Loevborg, It's so simple what I want to do and yet so hard..
[09:10] <tritium> Xer, it's one of the linux-source-* packages
[09:10] <Xer> can anyone tell me where i can find kerenl source 2.6.x.deb ?
[09:10] <tritium> Xer, depending on what you're doing, you may only need linux-headers
[09:11] <Xer> tritium can u give me the link of it plz?
[09:11] <billytwowilly> just downsample to 16kbps and 16000hz... prefereably while keeping the same pitch and tempo.
[09:11] <tritium> Xer, it's available through apt
[09:11] <WebMaven_> |Q
[09:11] <WebMaven_> |QuaD-: so has a dev shown up yet?
[09:11] <tritium> Xer, what are you doing?  Compiling a kernel module?
[09:12] <Xer> yes
[09:12] <tritium> Xer, apt-cache search linux-headers
[09:12] <Xer> :\
[09:12] <Xer> noo i need one with .deb
[09:13] <tritium> yep
[09:13] <Xer> i'm now makeing cd haveing collections of files [ im usieng it ] 
[09:13] <Xer> like wine and others pakges
[09:13] <Xer> im trying to put it in cd
[09:13] <tritium> Xer, apt-get install -d (for download only)
[09:13] <Xer> ...
[09:13] <Xer> cant u give me the link
[09:13] <tritium> then, get it out of /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:13] <Xer> [im now not in linux ;P] 
[09:14] <Xer> my cd burner not work only in windows
[09:14] <tritium> Xer, I'd have to look it up, just like you.  It would take both of us the same amount of time
[09:14] <Xer> can u give me the link plz?
[09:14] <Xer> or wait
[09:15] <Xer> give me the ubunutu site
[09:15] <Xer> id like to get it by my self
[09:15] <eleazar> hi guys, i wanted to try Ubuntu coz my fav distro is debian, but i have some doubts
[09:15] <tizen> eleazar: Debian was my fav, and still is for my servers
[09:15] <tizen> but I'm running Ubuntu and loving it
[09:15] <Xer> like http://security.debian.org
[09:15] <Xer> give me the debian one
[09:15] <tritium> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[09:16] <Xer> im runing ubuntu and i dont like it
[09:16] <Xer> ;p
[09:16] <Xer> uh wait
[09:16] <Xer> i got the  link
[09:16] <Xer> now im loveing it
[09:16] <Xer> :P
[09:16] <tritium> That's for ubuntu
[09:16] <lok> lol Xer
[09:16] <eleazar> tizen: in ubuntu you recompile the kernel like in debian? with kernel images? and the apt is as rich as in debian? coz the apt for suse, or fedora (apt4rpm) is a total sh't
[09:17] <bencov> hi there! is there any solution or workaround for bug 26?
[09:17] <tizen> i've used apt to do my kernels
[09:17] <tizen> i'm just you could compile your own
[09:17] <Xer> ...
[09:17] <tizen> i do my own kernels on my servers, but i use the ubuntu one
[09:17] <tritium> bencov, bug 26?
[09:17] <tizen> and i haven't not found anything in the ubuntu apt that i wanted
[09:17] <Xer> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[09:18] <Xer> i need like that one
[09:18] <Xer> :P
[09:18] <Xer> where i can get like that file :P
[09:18] <bencov> tritium: the bug with "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1259: dl_main: "
[09:18] <eleazar> tizen: the packages are new? i mean.. like REALLY up-to-date packages?
[09:19] <bencov> tritium: It crashed the installation of Matlab
[09:19] <tizen> eleazar: I'd say so, but i can't speak for all of them
[09:19] <tizen> Xer: kernel-source-2.6.9 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.9 with Debian patches
[09:19] <Xer> tizen "<tizen> and i haven't not found anything in the ubuntu apt that i wanted" , u can add the sites and maybe goo to debian site looking for it then you can finds alots of proggrams to download it ;)
[09:19] <tritium> bencov, this is what I see for bug 26: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=26
[09:19] <Xer> lol!
[09:19] <Xer> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[09:19] <Xer> ahem
[09:19] <Xer> how i can sayed it
[09:20] <Xer> give me the link of it!"<tizen> Xer: kernel-source-2.6.9 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.9 with Debian patches"
[09:20] <bencov> tritium: Yes I check it too.. but there is no work around there...
[09:20] <eleazar> ubuntu works with .deb packages?
[09:20] <Xer> link = url
[09:20] <Xer> yes eleazar
[09:20] <spectrum> hi, has anybody problem with nvidia on hoary?
[09:20] <Xer> ubuntu = debian
[09:20] <tizen> ok, well i'm telling you it is in the apt... So you should try searching google or anything... Why make someone else do it for you?
[09:20] <tizen> eleazar: Yes.
[09:20] <Xer> becoz
[09:21] <Xer> im now not in linux
[09:21] <eleazar> Xer = i know its based on debian...
[09:21] <tritium> bencov, its status is "Reopened", so I think it's not yet resolved
[09:21] <Xer> i'm sure i cant use apt on cmd ;)
[09:21] <tizen> Xer: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/kernel-source-2.6.9
[09:21] <bencov> tritium: it 's bug 1724 too, which is closed ....
[09:21] <Xer> if the link isnt whats im looking for
[09:21] <tritium> spectrum, no problems here
[09:21] <Xer> i would kill you
[09:21] <tizen> Xer: But you could of google'd "ubuntu http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/kernel-source-2.6.9"
[09:21] <tizen> thats what i just did
[09:21] <tizen> uh
[09:21] <eleazar> is there a netinst iso for ubuntu?
[09:21] <tritium> Xer, don't say that kind of thing please
[09:22] <tizen> i googled "ubuntu kernel-source-2.6.9 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.9 with Debian patches"
[09:22] <tizen> and that's the first link
[09:22] <tizen> you should be able to get the file from there
[09:22] <tizen> Xer: a direct link would be http://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kernel-source-2.6.9/kernel-source-2.6.9_2.6.9-3_all.deb
[09:23] <tizen> anyways, i'm going watch some tv
[09:23] <tizen> lates
[09:23] <blizah> ive downloaded a gmail notifier for linux and its .deb.  What do i do with that type of file?
[09:23] <Xer> i found it
[09:23] <Xer> i found it
[09:24] <Xer> in yahoo search
[09:24] <Xer> without needing help
[09:24] <Xer> from anyone from here
[09:24] <Xer> :D
[09:24] <Xer> :}
[09:24] <tritium> Xer, we helped you
[09:24] <Xer> ha?
[09:24] <Xer> uh that
[09:24] <tritium> tizen and I both provided URLs
[09:24] <Xer> i searched in yahoo
[09:25] <billytwowilly> Loevborg, how do I set the encoding rate with sox? I want it at 16kbps
[09:25] <Loevborg> billytwowilly, "man sox"
[09:25] <Xer> anyway
[09:25] <Xer> thanks tizen
[09:25] <Loevborg> billytwowilly, no sorry, I haven't used it yet.
[09:25] <Maakuth> has anyone succeeded in getting asus a7v600-x sata to work with ubuntu?
[09:25] <Xer> mee mee
[09:26] <Xer> i succeded :>
[09:26] <billytwowilly> Loevborg, I'm reading the man page already;)
[09:26] <rave1> Hi,
[09:26] <Maakuth> well how?
[09:26] <Xer> i get my modem driver from intel site ;] 
[09:26] <Xer> but im sure this wont help you alots :P
[09:26] <Xer> hahaha
[09:26] <Xer> but
[09:26] <rave1> I have put Ubuntu on a library computer in Vermont but can't get a printer to work.
[09:27] <Marble3> where is my mouse config located at?
[09:27] <Xer> you can goo to your  driver site and get the driver from the site :)
[09:27] <Maakuth> er.. ok
[09:27] <Maakuth> it's sad asus doesn't support linux very well =(
[09:28] <rave1> whats the process to recognize a printer and load a driver
[09:28] <billytwowilly> all the asus stuff I've ever had supported linux quite well...
[09:28] <Maakuth> billytwowilly, this works quite well too, but my s-ata dvd-drive doesn't work
[09:29] <CicalaMvta> rave1: if it's a local printer, try printconf
[09:30] <billytwowilly> Maakuth, do you have a s-ata hard drive on there that does work?
[09:30] <Maakuth> billytwowilly, nope
[09:30] <blizah> ive downloaded a gmail notifier for linux and its .deb.  What do i do with that type of file?
[09:30] <billytwowilly> or is s-ata completely buggered?
[09:30] <billytwowilly> blizah, man dpkg. I think it's dpkg -i filename.deb, but I can't remember
[09:30] <blizah> ah k
[09:30] <Maakuth> i have no evidence that linux knows anything about that s-ata controller
[09:30] <Maakuth> well, device manager lists it but...
[09:31] <billytwowilly> I don't know much about s-ata sorry.
[09:31] <jrei> hi
[09:31] <jrei> anyone here who knows how to configure plone?
[09:32] <Maakuth> billytwowilly, neither do i :(
[09:32] <jrei> our websites are signed be "posted be no owner" someone got a hint why thats so
[09:32] <Maakuth> hmm.. viaarena.com has sata drivers for some linux distributions
[09:32] <billytwowilly> gah. stupid ubuntu sox package. No mp3 encoding support.
[09:33] <Maakuth> sadly ubuntu is not supported there... but i wonder if i could get some of those to work with ubuntu
[09:33] <billytwowilly> did you google for your board? there may be a howto.
[09:33] <jrei> apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[09:33] <jrei> from univerce
[09:33] <jrei> and multiverce
[09:34] <jrei> and be happy with mp3
[09:34] <Levander> in mysql, how do I create a database?
[09:35] <Levander> just need to create one so wordpress will populate it
[09:35] <blizah> billytwowilly can i use the synaptic package manager for this .deb file?
[09:35] <Maakuth> Levander, that's why searchengines exist
[09:35] <jrei> mysqladmin create yourdatabasename
[09:35] <rave1> thanks, time to go
[09:35] <Levander> jrei, thanks
[09:35] <jrei> np
[09:35] <billytwowilly> blizah, I don't think so.. one of the things that bugs me about apt-get is that it doesn't handle local files nicely like urpmi does, besides that it is awesome.
[09:35] <billytwowilly> blizah, have you used mandrake or redhat before?
[09:36] <blizah> no this is my first time on linux
[09:36] <billytwowilly> blizah, ok, nm then. just do a "sudo dpgk -i filename.deb" on it and see what happens. I think that is the command you have tu use.
[09:36] <Loevborg> blizah, you'll have to install it manually with "dpkg" in a shell.
[09:38] <encKe`> anyone have linux running on a pda?
[09:38] <tritium> encKe`, yes
[09:38] <jrei> kind of
[09:38] <encKe`> what disto tritium ?
[09:38] <Maakuth> wow, via sata raid driver is open source o_O
[09:38] <jrei> i am working with ipaqs and linux
[09:38] <jrei> we are using familia linux
[09:38] <tritium> encKe`, Familiar 0.8.1 on an iPaq 3850
[09:38] <trukulo> anyone with IGP320M and hoary?
[09:39] <billytwowilly> jrei, gstreamer plugins is installed
[09:40] <trukulo> does anyone uses kernel 2.6.10-k7 and have dri enabled?
[09:40] <jrei> billytwowilly: did you install the suggested or recommended liblame etc
[09:40] <encKe`> i just recieved my rx3715 today :)
[09:40] <billytwowilly> jrei, liblame is installed yes.
[09:41] <encKe`> ive read up on Familiar, but not sure if it will work on mine
[09:41] <universal> can someone help me setup my graphiccard optimally?
[09:41] <encKe`> do you know if it will tritium ?
[09:41] <jrei> is that an ipaq?
[09:41] <tritium> encKe`, I don't know about your pda, no
[09:41] <encKe`> yes
[09:41] <trukulo> universal, what's your g.c. ?
[09:42] <jrei> as far as i know tha 3xxx works fine
[09:42] <universal> trukulo, G.Z?
[09:42] <universal> trukulo, g.c
[09:42] <tritium> jrei, yes.  encKe` what's the rx prefix about?
[09:42] <encKe`> lol......  not sure
[09:42] <trukulo> graphic card
[09:43] <universal> trukulo, i have a geforce 6800 GT
[09:43] <trukulo> have you installed nvidia drivers from universe?
[09:43] <blizah> i typed "sudo dpgk -i gmail-notify-1.5.deb" and i get "sudo: dpgk:  command not found"
[09:44] <universal> trukulo, yeam ive installed them from the universe
[09:44] <tritium> blizah, dpkg
[09:44] <trukulo> what's your problem then?
[09:44] <blizah> heh ok
[09:44] <universal> trukulo, do u have Cedega?
[09:44] <trukulo> no
[09:44] <Slack_Rox> shouldn't totem pick up my /usr/lib/win32 dir?
[09:45] <blizah> k i guess that installed it
[09:45] <jrei> Slack_Rox: apt-get install totem-xine support
[09:45] <Slack_Rox> oof... ok thnx
[09:45] <blizah> so where did it install it to?
[09:46] <universal> trukulo, its just like when playing games /Glide, it seems to lag
[09:46] <universal> trukulo, like something is configurated wrong or so
[09:46] <trukulo> universal, sorry, i don't know how cedega works with nvidia drivers
[09:47] <trukulo> have you tried frames per second in et , in example?
[09:47] <trukulo> works well?
[09:47] <trukulo> et = enemy territory
[09:47] <Fr0D0> hi...anyone have a solution for the kde menu editor in kubuntu?
[09:47] <zenrox> et can be run nativly trukulo
[09:47] <universal> trukulo, yeah, actually that is what makes it wierd. When playing games like ET it works fine, but Cedega must be the problem the
[09:47] <trukulo> zenrox, exact
[09:47] <universal> trukulo, but what....hm,mmm
[09:48] <delltony> Fr0D0, you have to upgrade to 3.4
[09:48] <trukulo> zenrox, want to know if it's weel configured with GL in linux
[09:48] <delltony> according to riddell
[09:48] <trukulo> universal, so drivers seems well installed then
[09:48] <zenrox> trukulo,  glxinfo
[09:48] <trukulo> cedega configuration?
[09:48] <Fr0D0> Hi tony, how do I don that...? Synaptic?
[09:48] <delltony> but i can't seem to get it to upgrade due to depend issues he was working on recompiling the kdebase earlier
[09:48] <universal> trukulo, yes, hmm
[09:48] <trukulo> zenrox, yes, glxinfo and glxgears works too
[09:49] <Fr0D0> ok, I will wait then
[09:49] <Fr0D0> np...patience is golden
[09:49] <trukulo> universal, how many fps do you have with glxgears?
[09:49] <zenrox> trukulo,  warty or hoary
[09:49] <delltony> you have to add the repository, he went to lunch or whatever last i spoke with him
[09:49] <delltony> i am hoping he will be back
[09:49] <universal> trukulo, 61989 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12397.800 FPS
[09:50] <trukulo> zenrox, my problem is for igp 320m in hoary
[09:50] <delltony> and Fr0D0 read the topic ;) thats where you can find the repository entry
[09:50] <Fr0D0> I am wondering if kde is worth it for me...I know it very well, and it is smooth, but always seems to generate issues
[09:50] <trukulo> universal, seems very well for X
[09:50] <zenrox> trukulo, dont know that so i cant help you
[09:50] <Riddell> Fr0D0: kmenueditor will work in KDE 3.4
[09:50] <delltony> hey riddell
[09:50] <zenrox> trukulo,  the igp320m
[09:51] <trukulo> zenrox, i don't have dri working
[09:51] <Fr0D0> Hi Riddel. do I have to add repositories?
[09:51] <trukulo> and i read a LOT
[09:51] <trukulo> i swear you
[09:51] <universal> trukulo, yes, could it be possible that its cedega which is so lowsy?
[09:51] <trukulo> have modules ati_igp, radeon , agpgart and radeon loaded
[09:51] <delltony> Fr0D0, read the topic that is there the deb repository is there
[09:51] <trukulo> universal, probably, look in google for cedega and problems with nvidia drivers
[09:52] <Fr0D0> coolness...ty
[09:52] <trukulo> zenrox, and glxinfo said me no dri working
[09:52] <trukulo> but, in live cd, it works
[09:52] <trukulo> don't know where i can have the problem
[09:52] <trukulo> in hoary updated at all
[09:52] <zenrox> trukulo,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for your nvidia drivers and how to get them worken
[09:52] <trukulo> zenrox, i don't have nvidia
[09:52] <zenrox> ati then
[09:52] <trukulo> universal problem is other than mine
[09:53] <universal> trukulo, ok, but yesterday i mounted my crt-screen instead of my Flatscreen which im using now, and actually the performance changed...?
[09:53] <trukulo> i did
[09:53] <trukulo> universal, that's very strange, i can't help you, try to read about cedega in google, and nvidia drivers
[09:53] <universal> trukulo, yeah, so maybe it has something to do with my screen options
[09:53] <universal> trukulo, ok, but thx anyway
[09:53] <trukulo> universal, could be, but you have a very well performance with glx
[09:54] <trukulo> zenrox, i've read everything about dri and ati igp in ubuntu forums, many times
[09:54] <Maakuth> doh, via's drivers are for linux 2.4
[09:55] <Maakuth> but hey, linux 2.6 series seem to have support for my sata-raid \o/
[09:55] <trukulo> and i used xorg.conf of livecd , but no answer
[09:55] <Maakuth> it's not compiled though.. cool
[09:56] <joshua__> Hey.  Is mplayer not even available in universal?  I apt-cache search "mplayer" but nothing came up.
[09:56] <trukulo> joshua__, look for marillat on ubuntu wiki
[09:56] <joshua__> Hrm.  K.  Thanks, trukulo
[09:56] <Tomcat_> joshua__: mplayer seems to be in multiverse.
[09:57] <joshua__> Do any other media player support wmv?
[09:57] <socomm> Hello, how to set X.org's cursor?
[09:57] <Maakuth> darn.. this maybe sounds pervert but i miss old linux 2.4.x like xconfig :P
[09:57] <socomm> joshua__: You'll need the win32 codecs, to playback Window's Media Video format.
[09:57] <Loiosh> Oh now I remember
[09:57] <trukulo> socomm, gcursor
[09:57] <delltony> xine,vlc  might need the w32codec package though
[09:57] <socomm> trukulo: I'll give that a shot.
[09:58] <universal> joshua__, it should be... but i think mplayer is something that schould be installed as a komlilation
[09:58] <universal> joshua__, it should be... but i think mplayer is something that schould be installed as a conmpilation
[09:58] <trukulo> joshua__, try xine
[09:58] <jeff__> hey guys, is there any way that i can get my webcam to broadcast with ubuntu
[09:58] <trukulo> totem-xine works like a charm
[09:58] <universal> does someone know about ROSEGARDEN4, which i cannot install correct??
[09:58] <tvaughan> joshue: webcam support sucks in Linux I'm afraid
[09:59] <tvaughan> You probably need xawtv but depending on the drivers you won't get anything near decent performance
[09:59] <jrei> you can install a streamserver an broadcast with that
[09:59] <socomm> trukulo: Doesn't one still need the win32 codecs to play back wmv formatted stuff under xine?
[09:59] <delltony> ok cool Riddell the upgrade worked
[09:59] <jeff__> hmm any links on the steps needed to be takeing for htat
[10:00] <jeff__> *that
[10:00] <trukulo> socomm, yes, look for marillat
[10:00] <Riddell> delltony: kick arse.  does the kmenu work? and kcontrol?
[10:00] <socomm> trukulo: I've all ready got it going, I was just musing.
[10:00] <trukulo> socomm, w32codecs - Divx codecs
[10:00] <trukulo> in marillat's repository
[10:00] <socomm> trukulo: Thanks for the gcursor suggestion by the way.
[10:01] <trukulo> you're wellcome
[10:01] <delltony> kmenu appears to work
[10:01] <delltony> let em add a menu to test
[10:01] <Riddell> delltony: you'll need kmenuedit for 3.4 which you won't have
[10:01] <blizah> any reason you guys know that gedit will not let me save a notifier.conf file?
[10:01] <delltony> hmm i think i do
[10:01] <trukulo> blizah, perms ?
[10:02] <delltony> cause it came up with a menu editor
[10:02] <blizah> oh
[10:02] <blizah> heh
[10:02] <trukulo> blizah, try with sudo gedit
[10:02] <zenrox> blizah,  you should be running sudo to edit that file and save that file
[10:02] <blizah> k
[10:02] <trukulo> zenrox, no idea about igp problem ?
[10:03] <blizah> where is sudo gedit  under ubuntu?
[10:03] <trukulo> blizah, alt+f2
[10:03] <trukulo> and write sudo gedit
[10:03] <blizah> k
[10:04] <delltony> Riddell, now thats what i'm talking about
[10:04] <delltony> killer
[10:04] <delltony> now to just find some man pages to learn kde a littl better so i can navigate i'll be as good as gold
[10:05] <universal> does someone know about ROSEGARDEN4, which i cannot install correct??
[10:05] <blizah> trukulo nothing happens with alt-f2 run sudo gedit
[10:05] <Loiosh> Found the answer to my question, yay
[10:05] <trukulo> blizah, open a console
[10:06] <trukulo> and write sudo gedit
[10:06] <johnnybezak> universal: whats the problem
[10:06] <uMkulu> the problem is, like, i cant open it via menu
[10:07] <copilot> my system resource thing is telling me the processor is 80-95% in use, but top doesn't list anything using more than 3-5% the system is noticably lagged
[10:07] <blizah> k tnx
[10:07] <Riddell> delltony: help:/khelpcenter/userguide/
[10:07] <johnnybezak> copilot: is top showing things in order of cpu use
[10:08] <copilot> I thought so, it just dropped back down
[10:08] <copilot> hmm
[10:10] <blizah> sry for all these questions but where is firefox located under ubuntu?
[10:10] <Fire> Hi
[10:11] <michel_v> ugh
[10:11] <michel_v> I'm getting folders disappearing when I click on them in hoary now O_o
[10:11] <AbaCats> Hi all could somebody help me here with wireless network configuration?
[10:11] <johnnybezak> blizah: open a terminal and type "whereis firefox"
[10:12] <jrei> AbaCats: maybe
[10:12] <delltony> Riddell, thanks for you help i hope to contribute as much as i can
[10:12] <delltony> thanks again
[10:12] <blizah> oh wow cool
[10:12] <universal> johnnybezak, as i whant to configure Rosegarden4 it sais labrary not found please check you installation
[10:12] <Fire> I have a problem. My Wireless LAN connection worked well. Afterward, i rebooted the computer in Windows, and then again in Ubuntu. Now, it does say at the WLAN Traffic Monitor "N/V" (N/A) and says, when i try to ping, that "Network is unreachable". My router says, the computer is connected to the router via DHCP.
[10:12] <Fire> What have I to do?
[10:12] <universal> johnnybezak, what to do
[10:12] <vIdAr> Hi! i have a serious problem, i tried to mount a ntfs driv during boot, in  /etc/fstab i added a line, and set it to auto detect partition. now it hangs!
[10:12] <johnnybezak> universal: which library?
[10:12] <AbaCats> I just installed hoary array 6 and I'm using a 3com atheros based card, but it's not configured
[10:13] <universal> johnnybezak, checking for extra includes... no
[10:13] <universal> checking for extra libs... no
[10:13] <universal> checking for libz... -lz
[10:13] <universal> checking for libpng... -lpng -lz -lm
[10:13] <universal> checking for libjpeg6b... no
[10:13] <universal> checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg
[10:13] <Riddell> delltony: thanks for your help
[10:13] <universal> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
[10:13] <universal> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[10:13] <universal> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[10:13] <jrei> arg
[10:13] <universal> Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
[10:13] <universal> root@universal:/home/universal/rosegarden-4-0.9.91 #
[10:13] <universal> oh sry all!
[10:13] <Riddell> universal: do you have Qt installed?
[10:13] <Fire> dont flood with this please, use a webpage copy and paste or something
[10:13] <trukulo> universal, install qt dev libraries
[10:13] <johnnybezak> no he doesnt
[10:13] <jrei> AbaCats: klick on system->administration ->networking
[10:13] <universal> hmm
[10:13] <universal> one moment
[10:14] <johnnybezak> universal: you need to install the libraries that trukulo said, open up synaptic and install them
[10:14] <Fire> Could anyone help me with my problem?
[10:14] <vIdAr> Hi! i have a serious problem, i tried to mount a ntfs drive during boot, in  /etc/fstab i added a line, and set it to auto detect partition. now it hangs during boot!
[10:14] <Fire> I dont understand it does not work afzer just a reboot.
[10:14] <trukulo> Fire, route -n
[10:14] <jrei> AbaCats: or you can look if iwconfig say something about a wireless device
[10:14] <trukulo> look if you have correct routing
[10:15] <universal> johnnybezak, and not Qt3 dev?
[10:16] <delltony> Riddell, one quick question if its not too much of a bother i know i need to read the manual and will you know how you have the option on initial install to select the enviroment clone like windows and so forth on kde is there a way to switch after that initial install ? i wa sjust wanted to look at the different styles if you will
[10:16] <Fire> no entries in it, trukulo
[10:17] <Riddell> delltony: run kpersonalizer
[10:17] <trukulo> Fire, that's your problem then
[10:17] <delltony> aww ok thank you
[10:17] <Fire> trukulo: Why?
[10:18] <trukulo> Fire, no route, no network connection
[10:18] <universal> johnnybezak, ok, now the dev. are installed and the config goes further, but then is says...
[10:18] <johnnybezak> universal: no youre right install qt3 dev
[10:18] <trukulo> easy
[10:18] <Fire> trukulo: I configured eth1 at the network controlpanel.
[10:18] <johnnybezak> universal: yep
[10:18] <trukulo> Fire, now, you need a gateway
[10:18] <universal> johnnybezak, checking if Qt needs -ljpeg... no
[10:18] <universal> checking for rpath... yes
[10:18] <universal> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[10:18] <universal> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[10:18] <universal> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[10:18] <trukulo> that's what route is for
[10:18] <vIdAr> is there a way to skip things during boot?
[10:18] <Fire> trukulo: i also tried iwconfig, ifconfig and added  route add default gw
[10:19] <johnnybezak> universal: hmm ok
[10:19] <johnnybezak> universal: is there an install readme?
[10:19] <trukulo> fire, with sudo?
[10:19] <trukulo> sudo route add default gw <ip>
[10:19] <johnnybezak> universal: because its looking for kde (which you don't have installed and shouldnt actually need)
[10:20] <universal> johnnybezak, yes, but u think its because i should use KDE instead of GMONE?
[10:20] <Fire> trukulo: Already done; "Error resolving hostname"
[10:20] <trukulo> fire: try hostname
[10:20] <johnnybezak> universal: universal, you shouldnt need to no - look in synaptic for the kde libs (its probably a pretty big download)
[10:20] <Fire> trukulo: ups, no.
[10:20] <Fire> trukulo: "Network is not avaible" is the error.
[10:20] <trukulo> fire: here you have
[10:21] <universal> johnnybezak, KDE what?
[10:21] <Fire> trukulo: hm?
[10:21] <trukulo> you even have localhost interface working?
[10:21] <cybergasm> What is the root password after installing Ubuntu?
[10:21] <Riddell> universal: kdelibs4-dev
[10:21] <Fire> err. that means, truk?
[10:21] <trukulo> cybergasm, none
[10:21] <cybergasm> okok
[10:21] <johnnybezak> johnnybezak: what ridell said
[10:21] <trukulo> Fire, sudo ifconfig lo
[10:22] <trukulo> cybergasm, ubuntu doesn't use root account
[10:22] <universal> Riddell, ok thx ;)
[10:22] <vIdAr> can someone here please help me with my problem?
[10:22] <johnnybezak> vIdAr: whats the matter
[10:22] <Fire> works well, trukolo
[10:22] <vIdAr> i tried to mount a ntfs drive during boot, in  /etc/fstab i added a line, and set it to auto detect partition. now it hangs during boot.
[10:23] <Fire> (i mean sudo ifconfig lo)
[10:23] <johnnybezak> vIdAr: can you edit the config file in anyway?
[10:23] <universal> Riddell, u have Rosegarden?
[10:24] <trukulo> Fire, sudo hostname fire
[10:24] <Fire> why hostname 'fire'? :)
[10:25] <trukulo> well, it's the fist thing i thougt
[10:25] <vIdAr> johnnybezak: dont'n know, i cant do anything, because it hangs when it get to the mounting. it tries to read it as linux partition first, but then it just hangs.
[10:25] <Fire> truk: Done.
[10:25] <universal> ok, now it WORKS ;) thx
[10:26] <trukulo> Fire, route now
[10:26] <felixdZ> After three days of messing about with Gentoo I am back with Ubuntu.
[10:26] <trukulo> you know: route add default bla bla bla
[10:27] <Fire> "unable to lookup fire via gethostbyname()
[10:27] <felixdZ> Ubuntu is so easy. 0 to gnu in a half an hour!
[10:27] <trukulo> Fire, umm, then i'm lost
[10:27] <vIdAr> johnnybezak: if i just could get to the "command line", i would edit the fstab file. is there a way to skip the mounting?
[10:27] <Fire> trukulo: I am too...
[10:28] <BiteMeBill> vIdAr: boot into single user.
[10:28] <airox> When i connect to a ftp with gnome so a icon get's on the desktop, can I edit from this ftp server ? Like in editing webpages ?
[10:28] <vIdAr> how do i do that?
[10:28] <Fire> trukulo: "Now it is gone - Again error:" Network is unavaible
[10:29] <airox> I saw a nice thing called LUFS that would do the same trick, but I guess it's to unstable yet ??
[10:29] <BiteMeBill> vIdAr: type single into the boot prompt
[10:30] <blizah> i typed "sudo dpkg -i gmail-notify-1.5.deb"  where did it install?
[10:30] <blizah> just curious
[10:30] <Rocha> Hello, i'm in real trouble, i need help.
[10:30] <airox> blizah: On you're filesystem ?
[10:30] <airox> Rocha: Help is here!
[10:30] <Rocha> How can I scan a document with a scanner in ubuntu?
[10:30] <vIdAr> BiteMeBill: before it starts loading everything?
[10:30] <Rocha> I tried xsane doesn't work
[10:31] <Rocha> Scanning devices...
[10:31] <blizah> where in the filesystem?
[10:31] <BiteMeBill> vIdAr: yes that the boot prompt.  Normally gives you so many seconds before it boots.
[10:31] <Rocha> Failed to open device `snapscan:libusb:001:003' Invalid argument.
[10:31] <blizah> k nvm
[10:31] <blizah> i did a whereis
[10:31] <BiteMeBill> Rocha: have you tried to use Sane?
[10:32] <vIdAr> BiteMeBill: ok, thanks. i'll try that
[10:32] <Rocha> BiteMeBill, yup, xsane that is available in the graphics menu
[10:32] <airox> blizah: You can 'unpack' the .deb with dpkg to! Just do dpkg --help and you will see some options for it.
[10:33] <BiteMeBill> Rocha: yes.
[10:33] <Rocha> BiteMeBill, it doesn't work
[10:33] <blizah> i did unpack it and all is well...
[10:33] <BiteMeBill> that snapscan error is that the error you got?
[10:33] <airox> blizah: Then it's ok?
[10:34] <blizah> yea i was just woundering where it went...but i did a whereis and it told me :D
[10:34] <blizah> tnx
[10:34] <GarySaved> I notice there is 'synaptic package manager', and a 'ubuntu update manager'.  It the ubuntu thing going to replace the package manager eventually?
[10:35] <Rocha> BiteMeBill, yup, that's the error
[10:36] <StoffBox-Steve> no GarySaved , you can Update your hoary with the update manager but you cant install new software :) i think it just a GUI for apt-get dist-upgrade an dont will be more in the nexttime
[10:37] <BiteMeBill> Rocha: Have you looked at the Sane project site?  I'm sure your not the first to get that error.
[10:37] <GarySaved> The reason I ask is I wonder if ubuntu will break off its debian links, and become an independent distribution.
[10:37] <BiteMeBill> Rocha: What type of scanner are you using?
[10:38] <GarySaved> It is already more stable than debian.
[10:39] <Rocha> Agfa snapscan e20
[10:39] <Rocha> (usb)
[10:40] <airox> Does the gnome VFS support SFTP and FTP writing ?
[10:40] <michel_v> airox: it does
[10:40] <StoffBox-Steve> hehe GarySaved , but debian support many many systems ubuntu is only for a few systems, and more a desktoo than an allrounder like debian :)
[10:41] <BiteMeBill> Rocha: I would look on the project site and maybe google/linux I'm sure you aren't the onlyone that scanner should be supported.
[10:41] <blizah> how do i autostart programs when i boot/
[10:42] <LinuxJones> blizah, when you start gnome or when you start your computer ?
[10:42] <Rocha> rocha@ubuntu:~$ sudo scanimage -L
[10:42] <Rocha> device `snapscan:libusb:001:003' is a AGFA SNAPSCAN flatbed scanner
[10:42] <Rocha> rocha@ubuntu:~$
[10:42] <blizah> gnome
[10:42] <Rocha> BiteMeBill, it detects the scanner
[10:42] <LinuxJones> gnome-session-properties >> startup programs
[10:43] <GarySaved> StoffBox-Steve, Well, I think it is well on its way.  I have always sworn by Debian, but upon switching to ubuntu, I am sold.
[10:44] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: out of interest, what would you have to do to autostart programs when you start your computer?
[10:44] <LinuxJones> GarySaved, it is very nice and the irc channel is alot better too :)
[10:45] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, it would be a custom script more than likely or a service
[10:45] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, update-rc.d is used to manage the runlevels, but it's not very intuitive :P
[10:45] <StoffBox-Steve> debian is very nice, but i think for must "normal" desktopUser or freshLinux user ubuntu is the best :) im testet debian gentoo and ubuntu :) and i stand by ubuntu
[10:45] <StoffBox-Steve> @ GarySaved
[10:47] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, as an example update-rc.d servicename defaults   would add startup scripts for runlevels 2-5 for the servicename script in /etc/init.d/
[10:47] <GarySaved> When I go to logon to the ubuntulinux site, I get a security warning.  Should this concern me?
[10:48] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[10:48] <apokryphos> I see. Thanks, LinuxJones.
[10:48] <Nekohayo> Hi, I've got some files that were most likely named using windows japanese codings (don't know which), is there a way to get them to display in hoary with UTF8? (for example, my filename is ?+-A-?.mp3, and I'd like it to display something more sensible). Sorry if this has already been asked, I can only see the "UTF8 Migration Tool" and "UTFEightByDefault" pages (I did use the migration tool however)
[10:49] <OrangeSlice> I think windows uses shift_jis, instead of utf-8 fonts
[10:50] <Nekohayo> is there a way to convert this? (with a preview mode or something)
[10:50] <universal> Riddell, are u there?
[10:50] <Riddell> universal: I'm here
[10:50] <dj747> Hi, I just burned Ubuntu to a cd and booted it up and when I try to enter the setup it says "Invalid or currupt image."
[10:51] <Nekohayo> try burning the cd again, slower
[10:51] <Nekohayo> and running (maybe I'm wrong there, didn't see any) a MD5Sum test
[10:51] <dj747> 2x isn't low enough?
[10:51] <ompaul> dj747, did you use linux or windows to burn it?
[10:51] <universal> Riddell, i have make installed the rosegarden, but as i start it it says :waiting for sequencer to come up...and nothing more happens
[10:51] <Nekohayo> ...nevermind then XD
[10:51] <dj747> windows
[10:52] <Riddell> universal: sounds like a rosegarden problem, try google or a rosegarden channel
[10:52] <dj747> does it make a difference what OS I burn from?
[10:52] <universal> ok
[10:52] <ompaul> dj747, I am sorry I don't know enough about windows,
[10:53] <Nekohayo> which software did you use?
[10:53] <Fire> ??????
[10:53] <dj747> Roxio
[10:53] <Nekohayo> nero or alcohol 120% always worked with me
[10:53] <ompaul> dj747, it should not, but there is (A) something wrong with the image you downloaded (B) the software
[10:53] <Nekohayo> .........okay, try with nero
[10:53] <j4cbo> i'm trying to get ubuntu to dual-boot on my Powerbook Titanium... what's the right way to set up the partition table?
[10:53] <Nekohayo> never trusted roxio myself
[10:53] <crimsun> universal: make sure alsa's configured correctly, particularly wrt sequencer
[10:54] <ompaul> dj747, and I would doubt it is the image if you have dsl
[10:54] <universal> crimsun, ok, so how to configurate?
[10:54] <mz2> dvd playback stutters
[10:54] <mz2> didn't use to be like this in warty
[10:54] <crimsun> universal: start here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaMidi
[10:55] <j4cbo> i have an extra partition, if i tell it to format that one and leave everything else alone will it not mess with my osx install?
[10:56] <joshua__> I installed xine, but I can't find the "win32 codecs" package via apt-cache.  Anyone know the name of the package?  I just need wmv support.
[10:56] <universal> crimsun, hmm, ye
[10:56] <crimsun> joshua__: w32codecs, in debian-marillat
[10:56] <cybergasm> just installed Ubuntu. I want to mount an NTFS hdd but i havent set a root password, what is the default root password?
[10:56] <crimsun> cybergasm: use sudo with your user's password
[10:57] <joshua__> newbie Put your user password if you're using sudo
[10:57] <Phillbo> Does anyone know how to connect to another server using pptp? is there an easy GUI that I'm missing?
[10:57] <cybergasm> thanks
[10:57] <joshua__> crimsun:  What's debian-marillat?  A mirror?
[10:58] <cybergasm> like this? cybergasm@cybergasm:/mnt $ sudo cybergasm
[10:59] <crimsun> joshua__: it's a repository. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:59] <Ribs> cybane: sudo command
[10:59] <joshua__> Thanks, crimsun.
[10:59] <Ribs> erm
[10:59] <Ribs> cybergasm, that is
[10:59] <cybergasm> sudo: cybergasm: command not found
[10:59] <mz2> how'd i make hdparm -d1 the default on bootup (is there something i could change in an existing piece of configuration to make it work)
[11:00] <Ribs> cybergasm: the command you want to run as root, type that, but put the command 'sudo' in front of it
[11:00] <Ribs> easy
[11:00] <michele> hello, I have a problem with Xine, the DVD plays in the notebook screen but not in the external monitor, can someone help me ?
[11:00] <ompaul> cybergasm, sudo df <-- that will run df as root after you issue your password to the machine
[11:01] <cybergasm> ok, thanks for your help
[11:02] <universal> crimsun, i cant figure out what i should configurate
[11:02] <universal> crimsun, maybe something i should apt-get=
[11:02] <ompaul> which version of Christian Marillat's excellent software should I get for hoary array 5 ?
[11:03] <ompaul> I need to d/l it here and use sneaker net to get it to the other machine
[11:03] <crimsun> universal: start here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaMidiOverview
[11:03] <crimsun> I have to go back to work.
[11:04] <universal> crimsun, ok thx
[11:05] <smarthur> im having a problem with the ubuntu install - i get along fine until it tries to mount my cd drive, and then it says it can't mount it, even though it loaded the setup program from cd.  i've tried various boot options like noapic or nolapic but still no dice.  any thoughts?
[11:05] <michele> I have a notebook with an external monitor and everything works fine but when I try to use Xine to play a DVD on the external monitor I see a blue box and but in the notebook panel I see the images, can someone help me ?
[11:06] <ompaul> gotit
[11:07] <Frodo> I had to remove kubuntu...kde 3.4 didn't work right
[11:07] <Frodo> but now I have boot problems because kubuntu grubbed my drive
[11:08] <Frodo> I want to boot to hda1 now not hda6
[11:08] <InitMass> i've got an inspiron 8600, centrino based with an Broadcom network card. can i expect it to work out-ot-thoe-box with Ubuntu?
[11:08] <Frodo> '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[11:08] <Frodo>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[11:08] <Frodo> trying to replace grub with lilo
[11:08] <WebMaven_> Any devs here?
[11:08] <Frodo> not working
[11:09] <Frodo> I can still boot from grub boot floppy
[11:10] <Frodo> but having problems writing it to my drive to mbr
[11:11] <Frodo> my advise:  dont try kubuntu yet...
[11:12] <Frodo> and. I should've known better...lol I'm a dumb ass
[11:13] <Frodo> anyone with any Ideas how to get my bootloader to work again?
[11:13] <billytwowilly> hello, how do I add mp3 encoding support to sox?
[11:13] <Frodo> I have been reading the man pages, etc
[11:14] <Loevborg> does anyone know how to disable the highly annoying pc speaker beep?
[11:14] <Frodo> Billy you got two willy?
[11:14] <Loevborg> (ideally only in X)
[11:14] <billytwowilly> Frodo, Yes, yes I do. Thus the name.
[11:15] <billytwowilly> Frodo, do you have a tiny hobbit winky?
[11:15] <Frodo> LOL
[11:15] <johnnybezak> Loevborg: what beep
[11:15] <Loevborg> johnnybezak, "\a"
[11:15] <billytwowilly> now, on a serious note, Chief billytwowilly is/was a character from royal Canadian Air farce.
[11:16] <cybergasm> how can i edit /etc/fstab? i dont have writing rights to the file with my normal user
[11:16] <Frodo> my dad flew spitfire for the rcaf
[11:16] <billytwowilly> cybergasm, do it as root..
[11:16] <billytwowilly> sudo pico /etc/fstab
[11:16] <ompaul> Frodo, which supermarine version?
[11:16] <bluefoxicy> cyborgasm
[11:16] <cybergasm> got it now
[11:17] <cybergasm> i'm used to having a root account and a root password in linux
[11:18] <Frodo> October 27, 1941	Bf109f	Supermarine Spitfire	S of Dunkirk	Galland downed Sgt. Brian Hodgkinson of Canada, who survived the war as a prisoner. He was from the 401 Squadron	3
[11:18] <Frodo> my dad
[11:19] <billytwowilly> hmm. that would make frodo what? 50?
[11:19] <Frodo> yep
[11:19] <joeblow1234> Hey, I just downloaded the OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta. I don't want to upgrade to Hoary at this time, so I am converting the RPM files to DEB files with alien. Does anyone see any problems with this?
[11:20] <billytwowilly> I'd just upgrade to hoary, but I like to live on the edge;)
[11:20] <billytwowilly> You may have conflicts later, but they probably could be resolved by removing the debs and reinstalling the official ones at a later date..
[11:21] <Frodo> Billy any ideas how to get grub back on my mbr , I have a boot disk that is working
[11:21] <billytwowilly> no idea.
[11:21] <billytwowilly> I don't do technical stuff like that.
[11:21] <joeblow1234> I want to test the latest OpenOffice.org, but I need this computer to stay running. It is easy to downgrade from 2.0 beta to 1.1.x....not so easy to downgrade from hoary to warty
[11:21] <billytwowilly> I am getting really frustrated with whoever packaged sox though. They didn't include mp3 support or any indication of how to get mp3 support.
[11:22] <ompaul> Frodo, interesting
[11:22] <aeolist> that's what the forums and howtos are for man
[11:22] <aeolist> frodo, you have to run grub from the terminal, you'll find more info on that on the howto list
[11:22] <aeolist> just type grub
[11:22] <Frodo> My Dad's book is "Spitfire Down"  it is on Amazon
[11:22] <InitMass> anyone who knows if Broadcom 440x works out of the box?
[11:24] <Frodo> Thanks aeolist
[11:27] <bulio> I ran sudo pppoeconf to get my ethernet dsl modem up
[11:27] <bulio> got this:
[11:27] <bulio> /usr/sbin/ppd: in file /etc/ppp/peers/provider unrecognized option /dev/modem
[11:27] <bulio> What is wrong here?
[11:28] <zenrox> the /dev/modem
[11:28] <zenrox> whare is the dsl modem located
[11:29] <bulio> eth0 I believe
[11:29] <bulio> hmm
[11:29] <Liblit> NVIDIA + DVI + Ubuntu LiveCD == black screen
[11:29] <zenrox> bulio look in the forums
[11:29] <bulio> how can I tell if my modem is eth0 or eth1?
[11:30] <BiteMeBill> try ifconfig /all
[11:30] <BiteMeBill> opps..  ifconfig -a
[11:30] <virtuald> eh
[11:30] <virtuald> :D
[11:30] <johnnybezak> just changed my sources for hoary *here goes nothing* :P
[11:31] <bulio> BiteMeBill:where?
[11:31] <zenrox> bulio,  in a terminal
[11:31] <bulio> what will this do?
[11:31] <BiteMeBill> bulio: in terminal it will list all eth devices
[11:31] <bulio> I'm in windows atm
[11:31] <bulio> is there a way I can do it in here
[11:32] <zenrox> not while you run in window
[11:32] <BiteMeBill> Not unless your running Virtual machine or somehting.
[11:32] <bulio> damn
[11:32] <bulio> ok
[11:32] <bulio> what do you htink could be wrong?
[11:33] <BiteMeBill> bulio: how many network cards are in your system?
[11:33] <bulio> 1 I believe
[11:33] <Levander> is there any firewall installed on ubuntu by default?
[11:33] <zenrox> Levander,  no
[11:33] <bulio> ok
[11:33] <bulio> In network adapters I have:
[11:33] <bulio> the 56k modem
[11:33] <BiteMeBill> bulio: then you should only end up with eth0 and no eth1
[11:34] <BiteMeBill> Your on DSL correct bulio
[11:34] <bulio> Efficient networks P.P.P.O.E adapter (NTSP3)
[11:34] <bulio> and
[11:34] <BiteMeBill> bulio: which version is that?
[11:35] <fuzy> hi everyone
[11:35] <bulio> My external dsl modem
[11:35] <bulio> then there is
[11:35] <BiteMeBill> Yes
[11:35] <bulio> HP EN1207D-TX-PCI 10/100 Fast ethernet adapter
[11:36] <bulio> diagram is this
[11:36] <bulio> Computer(ethernet card)----Ethernet cable)---->Modem--->phone cable--->phone jack
[11:36] <BiteMeBill> bulio: is there a router between your machine and the DSL modem or is the PPOE account information being given by the computer?
[11:37] <bulio> nic card to modem then phone jack
[11:37] <BiteMeBill> ok What EF Networks modem model is that?
[11:37] <bulio> Speedstream 5200 dsl modem
[11:38] <BiteMeBill> Oh ok.. Some of those modems you can have them to the PPPOE information but it shoulds like your system is doing it.
[11:38] <bulio> I have sympatico isp
[11:38] <bulio> you know with the pppoe auth client it has
[11:39] <BiteMeBill> bulio: So in on the ubuntu install you will have to enter your PPPOE account information into it so that it will log you into your ISP
[11:39] <bulio> I'm using the live cd right now
[11:39] <bulio> can't install it
[11:39] <BiteMeBill> bulio: Give me a second I want to look up that modem and see if it can do the PPPOE logon like the 5100 can.
[11:40] <elcuco> hi, the display was really bad when i installed ubuntu, and i did not really see which question was the one which aksed for a root password.
[11:40] <elcuco> is there a default root password here?
[11:40] <TPC> elcuco, no
[11:40] <TPC> elcuco, the root account is disabled by default
[11:41] <bulio> what do most of you have here?
[11:41] <bulio> cable internet?
[11:41] <TPC> elcuco, you have to use sudo. if you want to use the root account like normal you have to set a password on it using sudo and passwd.
[11:41] <zenrox> adsl
[11:41] <zenrox> dhcp viraity
[11:41] <TPC> bulio, adsl and cable depending on location. both 8mbps :)
[11:41] <bulio> for me, that isn't an option
[11:41] <zenrox> router also so if thay switch to a pppoe type i wont have to screw with it in linux
[11:42] <elcuco> TPC, how do i install new packages then?
[11:42] <bulio> so If I bought a router, it'd work?
[11:42] <BiteMeBill> bulio: Can you look at the modem and see if there is a yellow sticker on it saying an IP address?
[11:42] <cybergasm> how do i get permission to brows through one of my mounted ntfs drives?
[11:42] <bulio> my ip is dynamic
[11:42] <TPC> elcuco, you can use synaptics (its in the menu)
[11:42] <zenrox> bulio,  most routers do the pppoe ling for you
[11:42] <zenrox> ling= login
[11:42] <bulio> this sucks
[11:42] <elcuco> TPC, cool... :(
[11:42] <bulio> first I was told if I had an ethernet card, it'd work fine
[11:43] <bulio> now I need to buy a oruter?
[11:43] <bulio> *router
[11:43] <bulio> heh
[11:43] <BiteMeBill> bulio: once you make it over the PPPOE problem you will solve more than you know.
[11:43] <bulio> probably
[11:43] <zenrox> bulio,  also too a router will help firewall your box
[11:43] <bulio> just depressed
[11:43] <BiteMeBill> bulio: do you have any old computers laying around?
[11:43] <elcuco> TPC, whats the password...?
[11:43] <bulio> 7 months trying to get internet in distros
[11:43] <TPC> elcuco, your normal user account password
[11:43] <elcuco> TPC, wierd...
[11:44] <Frodo> Success, rewrote my grub to mbr and all ok now...learned a few tricks
[11:44] <bulio> no old computers
[11:44] <bulio> what do you suggest doing?
[11:45] <BiteMeBill> bulio: did you look at the bottom of your modem and see if there was a yellow sticker with an IP address on it?
[11:45] <bulio> none
[11:45] <bulio> as I said, I have a dynamic ip
[11:46] <BiteMeBill> Dratz... Some of the 5200's will let you put the PPOE information in them and some won't.
[11:46] <BiteMeBill> Doesn't matter if you have dynamic or not.  Just need to put your PPPOE login information into a client.
[11:46] <bulio> hmm
[11:46] <bulio> so what exactly is the problem?
[11:46] <bulio> pppoe won't pass them modem?
[11:47] <InitMass> should i burn the ubuntu iso as cd-rom(boot) or cd-rom(iso) in Nero??
[11:47] <BiteMeBill> bulio: you already said that your getting an error with pppoeconfig
[11:47] <zenrox> InitMass,  iso
[11:47] <bulio> hmm
[11:47] <BiteMeBill> InitMass: change the .iso to a .nrg and then just double click it and Nero will do all the work easier.
[11:47] <uMkulu> BiteMeBill: that doesn't look right
[11:48] <BiteMeBill> uMkulu: What do you mean?
[11:48] <uMkulu> bugger all, i dunno, bitemebill
[11:48] <zenrox> BiteMeBill,  umkulu is a bot
[11:48] <bulio> what else can I do bill?
[11:49] <elcuco> what package will get me a media player for viewing videos on web sites? i know about kaffeine, but i am looking for a more gnome oriented application
[11:49] <zenrox> elcuco,  gxine
[11:49] <BiteMeBill> bulio: Hold on let me get the IP address off my EF Networks modem.  We will see if we can get lucky.
[11:49] <elcuco> zenrox, i assume it embedes itself in firefox...
[11:49] <bulio> ok
[11:49] <zenrox> ya elcuco it does
[11:50] <BiteMeBill> bulio: does this address take you anywhere?  http://192.168.0.1
[11:50] <jah_> Hey people
[11:50] <jah_> I've been installing Ubuntu all day, and having no luck - ive had to install slack, just for BitchX so i can get help =)
[11:51] <elcuco> zenrox, .. in which repository is it found?
[11:51] <bulio> BiteMeBill:Nope
[11:51] <jah_> The problem is - I cn install Ubuntu - but X will not load
[11:51] <BiteMeBill> bulio: I just re read your error...  Is Ubuntu even seeing your NIC card?
[11:51] <jah_> Im installing warthog from CD
[11:51] <zenrox> search the wiki for the  universe
[11:51] <zenrox> repo
[11:51] <jah_> After installation X fails to load, with an error "(EE) No devices found" and "No screen found"
[11:51] <jah_> :/
[11:51] <bulio> I'm not sure
[11:51] <zenrox> and marlettet for the w32codechs
[11:51] <bulio> how can I tell>?
[11:52] <BiteMeBill> bulio: your booting a liveCD correct?
[11:52] <Bader> naked women rox :) (ubuntu-calendar powered)
[11:52] <greg_> is it possible for me to share a printer so that a windows computer on the network can print on my printer?
[11:52] <jah_> So does anyone know what may be wrong here?
[11:52] <BiteMeBill> greg_: Yes Samba is needed.
[11:52] <bulio> BiteMeBill:Yep
[11:53] <jah_> I have tried nvidia (the installed "nv" driver) as well as vga and vesa
[11:53] <jah_> None will boot X :/
[11:53] <BiteMeBill> bulio: the DSL modem is connected to your machine via cat cable and not USB correct?
[11:53] <zenrox> jah_,  do a sudo modprob nvidia
[11:53] <Loevborg> jah_, plug in your monitor
[11:54] <zenrox> then do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:54] <bulio> BiteMeBill:Correct, it's ethernet, not dsl
[11:54] <jah_> Lol the monitor is plugged in
[11:54] <BiteMeBill> bulio: DSL is ethernet.
[11:54] <bulio> yeah
[11:54] <jah_> modprobe nvidia. ok thanks
[11:54] <bulio> I meant usn
[11:54] <BiteMeBill> ok
[11:54] <bulio> *usb
[11:54] <BiteMeBill> LOL
[11:54] <jah_> If it doesnt work i shall be back in half an hour ;-)
[11:55] <BiteMeBill> bulio: do you know what your nick card is?
[11:55] <bulio> ?
[11:55] <BiteMeBill> bulio: I was going to make sure that it's linux compat. since your getting the modem error like it's not seeing your nic.
[11:56] <bulio> oh
[11:56] <BiteMeBill> bulio: I'll send you a file called Aida32. run it and it will tell you everything about your windows machine you can then look and see what nic it is.
[11:57] <bulio> ok
[11:57] <bulio> 1 sec
[11:57] <bulio> wait
[11:58] <bulio> I've got everest
[11:58] <bulio> same thing
[11:58] <greg_> who do I view my internal IP address
[11:58] <greg_> ipconf or something right?
[11:58] <BiteMeBill> everest?
[11:58] <bulio> yeah
[11:58] <BiteMeBill> ifconfig
[11:58] <bulio> same as aida32
[11:58] <BiteMeBill> well then run that and it will tell you.
[11:58] <bulio> ok
[11:59] <BiteMeBill> bulio: Doing a text report with a program like those can be a lifesaver.
[11:59] <bulio> what do you need from it?