tsengits breaking my pbuilder12:00
mvotseng: a not purged update-notifier maybe? it looks like debris in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99update-notifier ?12:00
tsengmvo: will look. it shouldve never had update-notifer, its a chroot12:01
tsengno X12:01
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mvotseng: I know :) it looks looks like this config-file :)12:01
dholbachtseng: you cleared unneeded stuff in /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf.d/ ?12:02
tsengdholbach: hm its in there in fact12:03
tsengdholbach: good call!12:03
mdzjdub: update on #6582?12:03
dholbachtseng: ran into it too :-)12:03
tsengdholbach: I better note that on the wiki12:03
dholbachtseng: yeah... good thinking12:03
tsengits very vexxing12:03
dholbachi guess i'm off for tonight... good night12:08
tsengbye again dholbach 12:08
dholbachbye tseng 12:08
sivanghey all12:09
jdubmdz: no traction from upstream, so two choices: go with oss by default, or revert to esound.12:09
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mdzjdub: ok, I know pitti encounters this bug, so perhaps he can have a look12:20
mdzdaniels: ping?12:20
mdzzul: are you guys planning another kernel upload before preview, or no?12:26
seb128mdz: 12:28
seb128<seb128> zul: should fixes the issues with the current version, are you going to update it ? :)12:28
seb128<zul> seb128: of course its on my todo list for this weekend12:28
seb128mdz: that's speaking about the inotify update12:28
zulmdz: yeah there is a couple of bug fixes including inotify update12:29
seb128oh zul is here12:29
zulim around12:29
seb128yeah, I've seen that :)12:29
T-Boneso am i (but not for long) :)12:30
seb128BTW mdk has just rolled back to dnotify for 10.212:30
zulmdz: the bugs i seen for some keyboard problems, with ps/2 keyboards locking up on some chipsets there is a patch in ac serries that prevents it from loking up12:30
seb128I'm curious to know if they will switch again :)12:31
zulmdz: http://www.dragoninc.on.ca/mail-archives/linux-kernel/2004-07/5260.html12:31
zulplus the 3ware proc_name stuff12:32
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tsengbye zul 12:36
tsengseb128: w/o looking in the source.. whats "openbox fixes" mean12:36
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seb128tseng: read the bugzilla for it :p12:38
mdzzul: that patch looks very sketchy :-)  but if it works...12:38
seb128tseng: basically need to add a session management option to start openbox12:38
tsengoh there is the bug number12:38
tsengim dumb12:38
jdubseb128: in gnome-panel i now have "Home Folder" and "Desktop Folder|Desktop" - you seeing this?12:38
seb128jdub: nop12:39
zulmdz: it was included in fc212:39
seb128jdub: weird "...|" is a comment for translators usually12:39
seb128jdub: what locale is that ?12:39
tsengit sounds like a bong .po file12:39
tsengsimilar happened to me in muine cvs recently12:39
zuldamn it...i hate inotify sometimes12:40
tsengzul: sometimes?12:40
zulok...most times12:40
seb128jdub: is that a real locale ? :p12:40
seb128no .po for that, hum12:40
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RiddellI seem to be able to edit the ubuntu website12:41
RiddellI don't think I should be able to12:41
seb128jdub: en_AU is using any langpack ?12:42
jdubthe en langpack12:42
jdubi'll check if there's a translation12:42
seb128I don't have that in "C" locale here12:43
seb128that's ugly12:43
seb128what browser is that ?12:43
jdubno language12:43
tsengkonqueror, the worst usability kludge ever12:43
Riddellshould I be able to edit the ubuntu website?12:44
jdubseb128: is 'utch' french for 'ouch'? :)12:44
seb128correct ;)12:44
seb128or a variant, you can use both :)12:45
seb128BTW the spinner is ugly on this screenshot, and the icons bigs/weirds 12:45
jdubUploading via ftp clearlooks_0.4-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.12:46
jdubSuccessfully uploaded packages.12:46
tsengseb128: to each his own12:46
tsengjdub: rock.12:46
seb128gnome-panel/panel-menu-items.c:                         Q_("Desktop Folder|Desktop")12:46
jdubseb128: is "Desktop Folder" our change?12:46
seb128that's a comment for translators12:46
seb128and from the upstream source12:47
jdubthought it was other way around, my bong12:47
seb128Q(..|...) is comment|string12:47
seb128I don't understand why that's bong on your system :)12:47
jdubcl 0.4 has animated progress bars :)12:47
kentclear looks is a nice engine. :)12:49
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Riddellshould I be able to edit the ubuntu website?12:49
jdubnot really12:49
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sivangRiddell: you can edit some areas of it with your wiki loging12:50
sivangRiddell: login, even12:51
sivangRiddell: I for instance, add news items , sidebar announcments, faqs etc12:51
Riddellsivang: like security notices?12:51
sivangRiddell: that I am not sure. You would have to ask mdz/pitti how they do it , or about anybody else who deals with security12:52
elmojdub: package name changed?12:52
sivangRiddell: (e.g., not sure if the USNs are part of the doc team allowed content editing sections)12:52
seb128#. Translators: Desktop is12:52
seb128#. * Folder" (this is not the12:52
seb128#. * not keep "Desktop Folder|"12:52
seb128#: ../gnome-panel/panel-menu-bar.c:62212:52
seb128msgid "Desktop Folder|Desktop"12:52
seb128msgstr "Desktop Folder|Desktop"12:52
seb128in the en_GB.po12:52
mdzRiddell: only security personnel can modify the security notices12:52
seb128bah, translators don't read the comments :p12:52
Riddellmdz: I seem to be able to modify them12:52
mdzRiddell: URL?12:53
Riddellhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-1-1 for example12:53
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Riddellmdz: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu-edit1.png12:54
mdzRiddell: what happens if you click the edit tab?12:54
Riddellmdz: then I can edit and save12:55
mdzhow unfortunate12:55
mdzI fucking hate plone12:55
Keybukhow much do you hate it?  On a scale of 1 to Arch?12:55
ajKeybuk: woah, *ouch* dude!12:57
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seb128jdub: I get the issue too with the french locale without the language pack with the deb :p12:58
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zulmdz: do you have a representative for the kernel team for the meeting next friday?12:59
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mdzzul: lamont will presumably attend, but any and all are welcome12:59
zulmdz: k cool12:59
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zulbetter be :)01:00
seb128jdub: 01:00
seb128jdub: these are the bugged po file ... are you sure you are not using "en_GB" ? :)01:01
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Nafallowould someone here have the time to implement lookup for SRV-records in gaim's jabbercode post-hoary? should I sign a bug about it?01:02
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jdubseb128: ah, it must be falling back through it; yeah01:03
jdub$ cat /etc/environment01:03
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mdzNafallo: it isn't generally useful to file bugs asking for features unless they are trivial01:03
seb128hi Liblit 01:03
seb128jdub: k, that's it :)01:03
jdubcool :)01:04
jdubyou Liblit 01:04
LiblitNo specific questions at the moment.  Just being neighborly.01:04
seb128jdub: I'll bug translators01:04
seb128Liblit: k01:04
Liblitjdub: me Liblit.  You jdub.  Where Tarzan?01:04
Nafallomdz: oki. upstream just asked for a patch for it on my RFE. I haven't got the skills though. maybe I could try and someone could review it? :-)01:05
seb128Liblit: calling mdz Tarzan ? :p01:05
jdubwe have a jane, too ;)01:05
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mdzNafallo: sure, ask on #ubuntu-motu01:06
mdzNafallo: we simply can't accept feature requests for all of the features that the world would like to see in open source software :-)01:06
Nafallomdz: I know. just had to try first. the situation is so... awfully dumb. all servers supports SRV but I have yet to see a client that does. and that's for a thing being in the XMPP Core RFC.01:09
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seb128lamont: around ?01:11
seb128do you have an idea on the gtk-doc issue ?01:12
seb128works fine in an hoary pbuilder here01:13
seb128apt-get source gtk-doc01:13
lamontI haven't bothered to track down which package is Depend'ing openjade, but the solution is to either fix gtk-doc to not Conflict: openjade (whatever that takes), or to change whatever Depends: openjade to accept something else01:13
seb128and debuild01:13
seb128that works in a pbuilder01:13
seb128the buildd gets the Recommends or what ?01:14
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lamontpbuilder picks Depends differently than sbuild01:14
seb128apt-get source gtk-doc01:14
seb128Package openjade is not installed, so not removed01:14
seb128The following NEW packages will be installed:01:14
seb128  cdbs debconf-utils debhelper docbook docbook-dsssl docbook-xml docbook-xsl file gettext html2text intltool-debian jade01:14
seb128  libmagic1 libosp4 libostyle1 libsp1 libxml2 libxml2-utils libxslt1.1 po-debconf sgml-base sgml-data xml-core xsltproc01:14
seb1280 upgraded, 24 newly installed, 0 to remove and 69 not upgraded.01:14
seb128does that in a pbuilder01:14
seb128a Depends is a Depends01:15
seb128there is different way to pick them ?01:15
lamontyeah, but | lists are handled differently01:15
Keybukhrm, dangerous; half a bottle of red wine seems to have vanished01:15
lamont(our) sbuild takes the first installable one, [debian's sbuild takes the first one, period] , and pbuilder takes the last one01:16
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seb128and xorg crash, nice :p01:17
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seb128Depends: openjade | jade01:17
seb128I guess that's it01:17
lamontThe following NEW packages will be installed:01:18
lamont  cdbs debconf debconf-i18n debconf-utils debhelper docbook docbook-dsssl01:18
lamont  docbook-xml docbook-xsl file gettext gettext-base html2text intltool-debian01:18
lamont  jade liblocale-gettext-perl libmagic1 libosp4 libostyle1 libsp101:18
lamont  libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl libxml201:18
lamont  libxml2-utils libxslt1.1 openjade po-debconf sgml-base sgml-data xml-core01:18
lamont  xsltproc01:18
lamontcould be01:18
seb128"  * [debian/control]  Added Build-Conflicts-Indep: openjade to ensure that jade01:18
seb128    rather than openjade is detected (the runtime dependency is on jade, not01:18
seb128    openjade). (Closes: #247542)01:18
seb128for J.H.M in the changelog01:19
seb128I tend to blame sbuild here :p01:19
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lamontone could re-order the tests?01:19
lamontKamion: you about?01:19
lamontbuild-conflicts are just vile things....01:21
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lamontso the simple fix would be to fix the Depends order for docbook-dsssl :0)01:22
seb128and an another package will require the other order01:22
sivangseb128: since that upgrade I told you about, my system never got back to itself , did you have anybody else report the same?01:22
seb128and we are screwed :p01:22
seb128the fix is to fix sbuild01:22
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seb128jade | openjade is correct, apt-get source handles it fine01:23
sivangseb128: redrawing a window takes ~2secs second01:23
lamontseb128: somehow, I fear you are correct.01:23
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sivangseb128: I have antoher ubuntu hoary, on another hd, which works fine. you have any idea what to check?01:26
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seb128try to install something different from gnome01:27
seb128ie: wmaker01:27
seb128or perhaps that's due to the xorg driver01:27
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lamontseb128: jade | openjade is what I suggested changing it to. :-)01:28
sivangseb128: I would suspect the xorg driver , maybe I should try install xfree86 ?01:29
danielsmdz: pong01:29
seb128lamont: yeah, but the order should not matter :)01:29
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seb128sivang: what video card and what driver do you use ?01:29
lamontseb128: true.  But then, | lists are evil and shouldn't be there anyway01:29
lamontthat's what virtual packages are for01:30
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lupusBEdaniels, do you need any other info about my bug? otherwise I can go to bed :)01:30
lamontseb128: btw, feel free to beat on daniels about gossip_0.8-1ubuntu201:30
seb128lamont: even with virtual package you may want to set a preference01:30
lamontchecking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXss... yes01:30
lamontconfigure: error: Couldn't find XScreenSaver extension.01:30
lamontI just love that...01:30
seb128I've already looked on gossip and pinged daniel01:30
seb128I don't understand what's wrong01:31
lamontseb128: actually, the policy? on virtual packages is that you Depend: real | virtual, with real being the highest priority alternative01:31
seb128it used to work fine and has not changed, and the config.log doesn't show anything special01:31
seb128lamont: right01:31
lamontit says it found it in -lXss, and then immediately says it couldn't find it.... sounds like a configure script issue to me.....01:31
lamontbut really nfc01:31
sivangseb128: using xorg 6.8.2-2, nvidia Geforce201:31
seb128yeah, I've tried to track it a bit but doesn't seems obvious01:32
=== lamont will stare at sbuild and see what can be done...
lamontwhere oh where is Kamion when I need him to do perl hacking for me???01:32
seb128lamont: jade/openjade doesn't provide anything ... what do you suggest, changing the | order ?01:33
seb128(ugly hack)01:33
lamontthe immediate fix is to change the order.  The longer term fix is for me (er, Kamion?) to fix sbuild....01:33
lamontin debian, the only fix is to change the order, fwiw01:33
sivangseb128: 32M vid ram01:34
seb128lamont: it builds fine in debian ...01:34
seb128sivang: dunno, do you have the composite ?01:34
lamontah, cool.  it's Kamion's hack for layer'ed building. :-)01:34
sivangseb128: what is composite? ;-)01:34
seb128lamont: ups, no01:35
seb128lamont: it's a "all" package, so no buildd used in debian for it01:36
seb128sivang: transparancy stuff 01:36
sivangseb128: where do I check it? xorg.conf?01:37
seb128if you don't know about it you have not played with that01:37
lamontseb128: doh. right01:37
danielslupusBE: which bug was that, sorry?  i have a lot ...01:37
sivangseb128: ah ok01:38
lupusBEdaniels, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712301:39
mdzlamont: it's not obvious to me how to fix #7109.  can you take care of it?01:40
lamontmdz: is that emacs?01:40
mdzlamont: yes01:40
danielslupusBE: ah, -dev.  i don't know01:40
lamontthe choices are a well placed 'touch', or add autocrap to the Build-Depends... (which is what I did for zsh when it had a similar problem...) thoughts?01:41
lupusBEyeah some problem with the linking :)01:41
mdzlamont: touch01:43
lamontok.  the touch in zsh was lost deep in the bowels of something and I got tired of looking... This one should be trivial01:44
lamontmdz: wanna do some perl hacking for me while I fix emacs?01:44
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mdzlamont: pardon?01:44
mdzoh god not sbuild01:45
lamontsbuild needs a little more love in it's build-dep selection algorithm.01:45
elmoeh, why do you want to fix sbuild?01:45
lamontwhich is on the edges of what I understand01:45
mdzlamont: apt-get build-dep <package>01:45
danielselmo: any luck with dvi?01:45
lupusBEgoing to bed :) hf daniels ;)01:45
lamontmdz: understood01:45
lamontelmo: gtk-doc is ftbfs01:45
lamontand I have to agree that apt-get build-dep would do the right thing01:45
elmodaniels: given up - I'm just using a 2nd laptop as a terminal to the dead powerbook01:46
lamontmdz: although apt-get will randomize which virtual package gets selected, no?01:46
mdznot that I am at all advocating that change at this time01:46
danielselmo: dude, that bites01:46
elmolamont: lemme get this straight it b-d's on a | b and conflicts with b?01:46
mdzlamont: for pure virtual, it will abort and yell at you01:46
danielselmo: maybe your video hardware is totally shot?01:46
mdzlamont: for a | b, it tries a, and sort of vaguely attempts to fall back to b01:46
lamontelmo: it build-deps docbook-dsssl, which build-depends openjade | jade.  gtk-doc build-conflcts openjade01:46
mdzelmo: have gtk-doc build-dep docbook-dsssl and jade01:47
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lamontthe last great hackery on this code was by Kamion (thank you Kamion) to have it find the first package in the list that was installable (ogre modle)01:47
elmodaniels: could well be, it'll need to be RMAed when I get to back to the UK in any event01:47
lamontmdz: I like that idea...01:47
mdzer, s/elmo/lamont/01:48
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elmolamont: err, second  build-dep == dep?01:48
lamontBuild-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 4.1.0), docbook-dsssl, xsltproc, jade (>= 1.2.1-35), libxml2-utils, docbook-xml, docbook-xsl01:48
lamontBuild-Conflicts-Indep: openjade01:48
lamontsadly, so did the maintainer01:48
lamontelmo: yes01:48
mdzlamont: right, so put jade ahead of docbook-dsssl ;-)01:48
lamontlol. /me tries01:49
mdzare there actually valid use cases for build01:49
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lamontyeah.  build-conflicts/.01:49
jbaguys why is it so damn hard to find a hoary download link on the ubuntulinux.org website?01:50
jbai mean it's here in the topic, but I'm damned if i can find it on the website01:50
lamontseb128: I'm gonna upload a new gtk-doc, if that's OK with you...01:50
danielsjba: because it's a development version -- it's not there for the masses01:50
jdubjba: think of the children!01:51
seb128lamont: np, go for it :)01:51
jbadaniels: i can appreciate that, but it is there, somewhere. It just pains me every time i need to go searching for it01:51
lamontseb128/mdz: and we'll make sure that bob (lunchpad) handles the use case01:51
jbasomeone suggested I try array 6 last night cause i was having grub issues01:51
lamontseb128: done01:51
jbacan someone sned a linky to array 6 please ?01:51
jbaor will a daily suffice?01:52
lamontseb128: and that was _MUCH_ easier than perl hacking. :-)01:52
jbaplease sir, i want some more01:52
tsengthat is posted many places.01:52
jbatah fellas01:52
lamontright.   emacs2101:53
jbajdub: have you noticed that bit torrnet ports have been throttled in australian networks lately?01:53
jbathese days it's quicker to direct dl, than to torrent01:53
jdubhrm, i don't tend to see that here01:54
seb128lamont: yeah, nice way to get that solved :)01:54
jbajdub: i'm on optusnet, it may just be specific to them01:54
lamontseb128: not the most informative changelog entry, I admit.01:54
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seb128he he01:54
lamontbut moving the docbook-dsssl link after jade fixes things01:54
lamontworst of it is that I understand why...01:55
lamontmdz: what command did you use to (1) unpack and (2) pack the emacs21 upload?01:57
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zulok new test kernel with new inotify is being built now02:01
jdub2.6.10 or 11?02:01
zulhopefully it will work02:01
zul2.6.11 didnt apply cleanly so i had to much around it02:02
mdzlamont: dpkg-source and dpkg-source02:13
mdzwell, dpkg-buildpackage in the latter case, but indirectly dpkg-source02:13
lamontmdz: ok.02:13
mdzit was probably on a tmpfs, if you're wondering why you get a different order than I did02:13
lamontof course, the other solution is to vi emacs21*.diff.gz :-)02:13
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=== mdz throws rotten tomatoes at lamont for his gtk-doc changelog entry
lamontmdz: missed a step on that one...02:14
lamont(1) try something, which means saying _something_ in changelog.  (1b) iterate.  (2) fix changelog to something proper.  (3) upload.02:15
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lamontand realized that at 3.502:15
lamont clean: debian-sync02:15
lamont+       touch debian/autofiles.diff02:15
lamont        ${checkdir}02:15
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lamont  * Fix ftbfs by touching autofiles.diff in clean target.  Closes: #710902:16
lamontthat any better than gtk-doc???02:16
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=== lamont uploads
lamonter, um... hrm...02:18
lamontabout those uploads...02:18
lamontwas I supposed to get permission first?02:18
=== lamont kinda thinks they were both defacto-approved, but ....
lamontwhere is the debian amd64 archive?02:19
azeemon alioth, AFAIK02:20
lamontazeem: somewhere on/under alioth, yes... was after the actual URL...02:20
mdzlamont: FTBFS have implicit approval02:23
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mdzI am so far beyond valium's reach02:26
danielsmdz: smack is your friend02:26
zulor crank02:26
danielsmdz: so I'm going to roll the i810 driver back to 6.8.2, because HEAD is just broken to shit02:28
mdzdaniels: are you planning to try to squeeze in a xorg upload for preview?02:33
danielsmdz: i810 needs to go02:34
mdzdaniels: when will you be ready?  I'd like to review the changes with you02:34
danielsmdz: i'll try for asap02:34
danielsmdz: probably not before you go to sleep tonight though02:34
mdzI will be here tomorrow02:35
mdzand sunday02:35
mdzthe repo man has all night, every night02:35
danielsindeed he does02:38
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danielsi'll bounce you a link and changelog in /msg when it's done02:38
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jbaokay guys will check in if i get it working02:38
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jdubdaniels: i810 is the source of the slowness bugs?02:41
danielsjdub: nope, no idea what's up with that (works for me on i810 and radeon, and people have reported it with tdfx and nvidia also)02:42
danielsjdub: but mode validation on crts has been busted for a while (so desktop people can't use it, not even if they put in sync ranges), and I don't have time to fix it; apparently some laptop stuff is now rooted too02:42
jdubi don't think i'm getting it here02:42
danielsthe two things we lose are: a) DRI around suspend/resume, b) support for widescreen panels02:42
danielsjdub: i pulled i810 from HEAD a while back.  it is, imo, terminally broken.02:43
danielsjdub: the features we get are DRI around suspend/resume (previously after you suspended, that's it; we need kernel support we don't have for that anyway), and support for widescreen panels without needing nasty hacks02:43
danielsjdub: unfortunately, alanh doesn't believe in death by a thousand cuts, so his massive Tungsten code drop broke mode validation on CRTs (it will reject any mode above 800x600 @ 53Hz), and apparently you now need esoteric sync ranges for some laptop panels where you didn't before02:44
danielsi don't have time to fix either of those issues before release (not that I have i8xx desktop hardware), and I don't think those two features (one of which we don't get anyway) are worth it for breaking a whole swathe of Intel hardware02:45
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Keybukwhy does g-v-m always segfault on upgrade?02:52
jdubweird, that never happened to me until very recently02:53
zulit happens alot02:57
zuli get the same thing02:57
stuNNedso if i run 'nv' driver instead of 'nvidia' i won't have the slownessness?02:59
stuNNeddaniels: thanks for the info03:00
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danielsKeybuk: either dbus semantics have changed under us, or we've regressed a patch03:04
Keybukit's a recentish thing03:05
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fgx] : /whois fgx
fgxmdz, im sorry03:10
Keybukis it me or is python2.4-psycopg broken?03:13
Keybukno, it's me03:14
danielsdoes anyone have the topic in /lastlog?03:16
stuNNedTopic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for03:17
stuNNed          getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources |03:17
stuNNed          http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | If your system hangs at login on Hoary, upgrade to kernel03:17
stuNNed          2.6.10-24 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/03:17
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:daniels] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | If your system hangs at login on Hoary, upgrade to kernel 2.6.10-24 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
danielsstuNNed: thanks a lot03:18
stuNNeddaniels: you're welcome03:18
mdzwhat was fgx apologizing for?03:22
mdzoh, clobbering the topic I suppose03:23
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lamontghc6 takes 3 &*()& hours to build??? sigh03:53
marcin_antI would like to ask what is a status of gnome-bluetooth package?03:58
lamontlooks to be in the archive on all architectures...03:59
marcin_antI got this on my system but it doesn't work with nautilus.... is this package broken?03:59
lamontand that really sounds like a #ubuntu question04:00
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marcin_anthmm maybe04:00
lamontmarcin_ant: this would be the channel to discuss your patch that fixes the problem you're seeing04:01
marcin_antok - but now I don't know if it's problem with my desktop or with package04:01
marcin_antanyway I'll try again on #ubuntu04:02
lamontwhich is why you discuss that in #ubuntu04:02
marcin_antok ok04:05
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jbasuccess, finally05:40
jbai got array 6 to boot off my second drive, but only after setting up grub to install on the MBR of the first disk05:41
jbaI'm too annoyed to try and chain loaded at this stage, and am gonna leave it as is05:41
jbabut how come I can't tell the weather applet that I'm in sydney?05:41
jbashit updates galore05:41
jbaokay will wait for the updates to install before proceeding 05:42
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mdzstupid X.org06:47
mdzI moved xorg.conf away to try to reproduce #628606:47
mdzbut the silly thing just works anyway06:47
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zulinotify is so much fun06:50
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mdzlamont: night06:52
zulnight lamont06:52
mdzno rest for the wicked06:52
zulyeah i just cant sleep just yet06:52
zulim going to get 2.6.11 cleaned up this weekend hopefully as well06:54
mdz95 bugs to go06:54
zulrc bugs?06:54
mdz95 more in the list of bugs to review tonight06:56
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zulkernel is compiling i can go to bed now :)07:07
Amaranth95 bugs in what?07:11
Amaranthubuntu bugzilla crashed firefox07:15
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pittimdz: still here?07:53
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da_bon_bonhow do i help in translation of ubuntu to hindi language ?07:57
pittida_bon_bon: in the near future you can use Rosetta for this07:58
pittida_bon_bon: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/07:59
da_bon_bonwhats rosetta ?08:00
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pittijdub: ping08:28
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Micksaanyone care to recommend an app for watching network bandwidth over snmp?08:38
Micksasomething that draws pretty graphs?08:38
Micksawith varying averaging windows maybe08:39
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pittiHi dholbach 08:59
dholbachhi pitti!08:59
dholbachhi everyone08:59
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herziTreenaks: ping10:19
Treenaksherzi: pong10:20
herziTreenaks: did you take a look at the packages?10:21
Treenaksherzi: which ones?10:22
herzithe hula ones10:22
Treenaksuh, not yet10:22
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Treenaks(hm: "applications" is white when I click it, "Places" and "System" are black.. CleanLooks or whatever the new theme is called)10:22
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Treenaksherzi: Only -2  I guess?10:25
herziyes, i already have -3 but that won\t get uploaded until monday10:27
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dholbachherzi: did you read my query?10:31
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dholbachmorning sabdfl 10:46
sabdflhi daniel10:47
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dholbachsabdfl: you know if there are any plans for rss-feeds in malone? i think it'd be easier for people (debian and us) to track bugs and patches with them10:49
dholbachsabdfl: i, for example, track new upstream releases with them and think they're much nicer than a bunch of emails :-)10:50
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sabdfldaniels: what determines the look of the pointer? specifically the please-wait-i'm-working one? it was much nicer in warty, and i'd like that back!10:51
sabdfldholbach: plans, not code yet, for rss10:51
Treenakssabdfl: the mouse pointer is a theme thing, afaik10:52
sabdfldholbach: also, an email interface for malone, which will let you avoid the web in favour of pure email working10:52
sabdfleven when X is first starting?10:52
Treenakssabdfl: and the default was changed a few months ago, no reason given10:52
sabdflhmm... clearlooks rocks10:52
sabdfl(speaking of themes)10:52
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dholbachsabdfl: oh ok... cool, the redland stuff seems worth investigating there, i'll ask bradb if he turns up10:53
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Micksaanyone here ever used xvfb-run? :)11:11
dholbachMicksa: just in a build-script, once11:15
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MicksaI'm trying to get a "virtual X session" going with xvfb and vnc.11:21
Micksanot much luck yet.11:21
dholbachMicksa: sorry, can't help you there... just know it was called by the script since xvfb-run was broken in that X version, but is fixed now11:22
Micksaoh what the fuck11:23
Micksait just started magically working :)11:23
MicksaI think it's an xauth-related issue11:23
Micksawhich means I have to figure out how xauth et al work :)11:23
dholbachMicksa: hope someone turns up who can help you there11:24
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Micksait creates is on Xauthority file11:33
Micksaand doesn't tell anyone about it11:33
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dholbachhellas mvo11:45
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mvohi dholbach11:45
abellisabdfl: ping11:52
sabdflabelli: pong12:02
sabdfldholbach: redland?12:02
dholbachsabdfl: libraries to generate rdf-stuff, they even have python bindings12:03
abellihave you got 10 mins for me, id like to ask for a advice12:03
sabdflah, cool12:03
sabdflgo ahead12:04
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trukuloogra, are you awake ?12:16
dholbachhi seb128 12:16
trukuloogra, have you tried graveman packages? any problem?12:17
trukulomorning everybody12:17
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ogratrukulo: havent had time to build them yet....if there are probs, i'll fix them and let you know.....(i'm working hard on hwdb-client to get it ready before preview)12:19
trukulook ogra12:20
trukulogood luck with hwdb12:21
ograthanks :)12:21
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trukulodaniels, r u awake?12:43
Micksadammit dammit dammit :)12:47
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abelliKqikxs on #ubuntu is a spambot12:57
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=== psy is curious about the graphical installer
abelliDjyuf on #ubuntu is a spambot01:32
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psyis there anyway i can help with the graphical installer?01:34
=== psy read the wiki and thougth 'why not write the installer in python? using pygtk?'
ograpsy: you would need pygtk in the installer image....which would involve a lot of other stuff...but thats not the main prob with the intaller....01:37
ograpsy: you need a graphical driver that works on all systems we support ....01:38
psywith the right scripting you could run through a series of drivers until you find one that works, running back to the old installer when everything else failes01:41
ograpsy: i think the way to go is plain C and gtk but first there has to be a graphical (framebuffer or tinyX etc...) environment that works right everywhere....01:41
sivangogra: that's probably it :) Howdy btw?01:42
ograpsy: thats the plan, but still, you need soething that works and doesnt suck.....there will be more decisions after release, since its a goal for hoary+101:42
ograhi sivang 01:42
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sivangogra: I thought you like the canvas and it's subclasses? ;-)01:44
ograheh, only if they do what i want.....01:44
psyCanvasRichText... something java?01:44
ograor if i can explain why they dont....01:44
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ograpsy: pygtk.....gnomecanvas01:45
ograi use it as a transparent textinput field......as long as text is in there, everything is fine....if its empty, the cursor is glued to the right border....01:46
ograwhich is kind of weird (execpt for sivang who starts wirting at this side)01:46
sivangogra: hehe , well, and not even in most of the cases :)01:48
psyogra: when you choose high-level language and libs that run on different lowlevel-drivers without having to change its source you can divide the project in two parts, one for the hardware-support and one for the software-support (release-info, packages, install-types etc...)01:54
psywhen good and clear decisions are made about the medium between the two you get fast and good results.01:55
psyor am i talking rubbish/01:57
ograpsy: and exactly the decision about the lowlevel drivers is missin01:57
ograwriting the gtk stuff will be a quick thing (its just themeing the content in another way)01:58
psyis there a list of options? or isn't there?01:59
ograoptions ?01:59
sivangogra: I also recall discussoins about some redesign over cdebconf to allow the asynchronous way of asking and "answering" install questions, has this already been done?01:59
psyogra: which drivers are still in the race ;)02:00
ograsivang, dunno, but i doubt there was time for it02:00
ograpsy: i think all of them since the decision was postponed....02:01
ograpsy: it will be discussed after hoary....02:01
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ograsivang: how is your printmanager stuff evolving ?02:03
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sivangogra: actually done and working :) pitti has to fix another bug in g-c-m which related to the way it communicates with the cups server, and we're set :)02:06
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sivangogra: (by working , I mean that all of the frontend stuff I had trobule are solved, but pitti must close that upstream bug before the functionality is complete)02:07
ograhe will do, i'm sure :)02:07
sivangogra: actually, he may have already :) I need to check02:08
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jdubmdz: around?02:10
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ograjdub, any idea what happend to the march calendar ?02:18
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trukulodaniels, are you online?02:27
jdubogra: it was uploaded02:43
jdubogra: some people clearly have it...02:43
jdub$ apt-cache show ubuntu-calendar-march | grep ^Filename02:44
jdubFilename: pool/main/u/ubuntu-calendar-march/ubuntu-calendar-march_5.03_all.deb02:44
trukulojdub, can we have pics of mila jovovic on bakground by default?02:44
trukuloit's a superb feature02:44
trukulobetter if she is nude02:45
jdubi think we'd have to pay her more htan the current models02:45
trukulofucking is included in price?02:45
jdubnow now02:45
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ograjdub: hmm, didnt get updated automatically here.....installing it now....02:47
=== ogra wonders when ubuntu-calendar was removed from is system......cant remember seeing it uninstalling...
froudwho here other than mvo is working on update-manager?02:50
dholbachfroud: shall i tell him something from you?02:51
froudno I am writing the docs and need a query chat02:51
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dholbachah ok02:52
frouddholbach: when does mvo normally come on02:52
dholbachfroud: it's weekend, so i dunno02:52
froudOK, thanks02:52
dholbachfroud: maybe he drops in tonight02:53
abellifroud: he was around this morning02:53
froudwhat nick does Michiel go by02:55
froudHmm also not here02:56
=== froud thanks dholbach
dholbachde rien :-)02:57
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mg__hi, does anyone here use an ibm t40?03:19
jdublamont: ping03:20
jdublamont: not that you should be around at this time :)03:20
abellijdub: ping03:21
abellijdub: i need to advertise canonical in some mails03:21
abellican you help me03:21
ograjamesh: ping....03:23
jdubabelli: ?03:23
abellijdub: i need to speak about canonical, 03:24
abellican you give me an "how-things-work-here" lesson please?03:24
Keybukyay, we passed Mandrake on the 3-month list today03:24
dholbachKeybuk: 3-month list? what's that?03:24
Keybukdholbach: www.distrowatch.com03:25
abellijdub: people here in italy are not well informed in differences between debian and ubuntu, what you are doing.. etc.03:25
abellijdub: so we want && we should, as Italian Community to clarify how things are, or at least try to.03:25
=== ogra is not really interested in whom we pass anymore, but in how many years will we stay on #1
dholbachKeybuk: we rock! :-)03:25
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abelliogra: yrs?... weeks maybe03:26
Keybukogra: it'll be interesting when an Ubuntu derivative (such as Kubuntu) passes Ubuntu itself03:26
abelliand why not days.. april is not far03:26
ograabelli: pessimist03:26
ograKeybuk: or guadalinux :)03:27
abelliogra, Keybuk: or maybe when ubuntu will pass ubuntu-+103:27
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ogrado they distinguish between releases ?03:27
abelliitll be a fight with itself03:28
Keybukno, just distributions03:28
Keybukso hoary will increase the popularity with any luck03:29
ograheh, so we'll keep #1 for a while....03:29
jdubabelli: perhaps you should do a direct translation of the website and ask fabio to check it with jane.03:29
abellijdub: we are almost finished03:29
jdubabelli: please get fabio to check it with jane.03:29
abellithank you03:29
jdubabelli: you have to be very careful to not appear to be speaking for canonical.03:30
ograjdub: do you know anybody i could ask about a pygtk canvas prob ? there seem to be a lot of missing functions or i'm just to blind...03:30
jdubogra: jamesh, jdahlin, #pygtk on gimpnet...03:30
abelliabelli: obviously.03:31
ograah, gimpnet, thanks...i was looking around here03:31
abellijdub: yeah, it's clear.03:32
abellijdub: but as Italian LoCo I am supposed to inform, gently  make ppl respect the Code of Conduct, and so on right?03:34
abellithank you03:35
psy /me slaps copyright03:36
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psydamn hard to come up with an original project-name03:37
jdubseb128: around?03:38
seb128jdub: yep03:38
seb128hey :)03:38
mg__anybody use a t40 series laptop?03:40
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abellijordi: sup03:42
seb128oh, lazy boy here03:44
seb128jordi: evo 2.0.4 ? :)03:44
jordiseb128: I'm waiting for Margarita's patches.03:45
jordijdub jdub jdub 03:45
jordiEVERYONE WATCH jdubTV03:46
jdubahr, it is not on atm03:46
jdubbut i want to turn it on03:46
jdubto show my world domination map03:46
zulfs/read_write.c: In function `vfs_read':03:47
zulfs/read_write.c:234: error: `inode' undeclared (first use in this function)03:47
zulfs/read_write.c:234: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once03:47
zulfs/read_write.c:234: error: for each function it appears in.)03:47
zulfs/read_write.c: In function `vfs_write':03:47
zulfs/read_write.c:280: error: `inode' undeclared (first use in this function)03:47
zulmust spread the pain around03:47
danielssabdfl: it's a gnome/gtk thing -- jdub is on top of it (comes down to a freakish hack vs  correct-but-hard-and-waiting-for-upstrea-anyway type decision)03:50
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seb128daniels: about what ?03:50
jdubyeah, what am i humping now?03:51
danielsseb128: 09:51 < sabdfl> daniels: what determines the look of the pointer? specifically the please-wait-i'm-working one? it was much03:51
daniels          nicer in warty, and i'd like that back!03:51
jduboh right03:51
jdubhrm, not very hard, just pointless ;)03:51
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Treenakspointer-less? :P03:51
jdubif upstream don't pull their fingers out, i'll have to do it in ubuntu-artwor03:51
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jdubyo drbyte 03:53
abelliis someone here having problems with spambot in #ubuntu?03:53
drbytehey jdub 03:55
jdubjdubtv! -> http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/03:55
jdubbehind my head, you can see the World Domination Map03:55
drbytehaha. i should take a gander03:57
drbytetraffic is almost free now... 2am time03:57
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sabdfljdub: open with (in hoary)?03:59
jdubtotem, xine, mplayer...04:00
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jdubbit of nick cave for 02:00 :)04:02
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ogragrrr, why is there no equivalent to gnome_canvas_rich_text_get_buffer in pygtk.....04:05
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drbytei see the smile jdub 04:06
drbyteand the eyeball04:06
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sivanganybody know if we have a precompiled nvidia support for kernel 2.6.11 ?04:19
sivangseems missing from the archive04:19
ograsivang, we dont have a official 2.6.11 yet afaik this is a bittkeeper snapshot to play with....04:22
lamontjdub: sup?04:23
jdublamont: nm, but thanks :)04:23
sivangogra: eh I see, oh well, I thought it would solve the very poor GFX redraw and X perforamnce I got here04:23
seb128jdub: any objection to a glibmm/gtkmm update (GNOME bindings) ?04:27
mg__anybody use a an ibm t4x?04:28
jdubseb128: not at all04:31
=== ogra grr's at gnomecanvas
dholbachsee you later04:32
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zulsivang; 2.6.11 is experimental just right now we have to clean it up a bit04:51
sivangzul: ah ok04:52
sivangzul: cool04:52
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lamontseb128: you're going to, um, howl at gnumeric...04:58
lamontcreating gdaif.la04:58
lamont/bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libhowl.la: No such file or directory04:58
seb128how nice04:58
lamontyeah, isn't it, though. :-(04:59
seb128I'll fix it04:59
sivangseb128: there seems to be a light improvement with the redraw performance, any fixed to pango or gtk?04:59
seb128no, you are the only one to have an issue here04:59
lamontwe need a libtool option that says 'no matter what, ignore _this_ library' :-)05:00
sivangseb128: oh :-(05:00
sivangseb128: well, it appears that it comes and goes. oh well.05:00
=== lamont takes the plunge and upgrades his desktop
ograsivang: did you try the hibernate function ? if yes, and it failed, it might be that you are working without swap....which coul solw down your system a lot05:01
ogracould slow down... even....05:02
sivangogra: already checked that, I have swap working 05:03
jdublamont: -Wl,--as-needed would help here massively :)05:03
lamontjdub: would it be hiding a bug, or helping?05:05
jdublamont: it would mean packages far up the stack wouldn't be unnecessarily depending on stuff way down the stack05:06
jdublamont: so in this case, pre-emptively helping05:06
jdublamont: it would also help library transitions (cf. gnutls)05:06
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jdublamont: see my mail about it to u-d05:07
seb128lamont: it would fix issues by not trying to build against not needed stuff05:08
jdubmeanwhile, bedtime for me05:08
seb128'night jdub 05:08
lamontnight jdub 05:09
zulnight jdub05:09
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Kamionlamont: yo05:13
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Kamionyou were looking for me?05:13
lamontwell, if you're really bored, I have a small perl project for you...05:13
Kamionah, maybe Monday then05:13
lamontyeah - no big deal either way05:14
Kamiononly here for a few hours, and allocated most of that to Debian :)05:14
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lamonthrm.. updated gnome, X, kernel, etc... gues I should reboot, eh?05:17
lamontfrom the 'decidedly evil crontab entries' department: 05:18
lamont@reboot /sbin/ifconfig eth0 mtu 149605:18
mdzjdub: pong05:18
=== ogra curses the pygtk devolpers for forgetting half of the C functions
seb128you are rude here05:18
=== ogra is REALLY ANGRY
seb128half ?05:18
lamontseb128: that means "at least 2 that he really wanted"05:19
=== sivang always knew GTK goes together with C :)
seb128lamont: yeah, seems so :p05:19
ograseb128:  want to use a transparent input field on a canvas.....but there is no function to get the data out of it, since they decided not to implement  gnome_canvas_rich_text_get_buffer05:20
sivangogra: btw, why do you need it to be transparent?05:21
ograseb128: i was trying to use get_property('text') or get_property('user-data') but these are empty.... so no way05:21
ograsivang: because it looks ugly otherwise05:21
Kamionsvenl: fixed your choose-mirror breakage now I think; thanks for the report05:22
Kamionmdz: you were looking for me last night?05:22
mdzKamion: I don't remember why...probably something about a bug, or bugs in general05:23
mdzlast night I was reviewing high-severity bugs for Hoary05:23
svenlKamion: ok.05:23
Kamionmdz: I noticed that from my inbox :-)05:24
ograseb128, even perl has this function: http://gtk2-perl.sourceforge.net/doc/pod/Gnome2/Canvas/RichText.html05:24
ograseb128, but anyway, sorry for being rude ...05:24
seb128ogra: no pb05:25
seb128ogra: feel free to switch to perl if you think that will help you :)05:25
ograseb128: hwdb-client is nearly done, i dont feel i will rewrite the whole ui :-P05:26
lamontjdub: sounds like somthing to turn on in hoary+1 (--as-needed)05:26
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Kamionso is there any half-decent speech recognition software in main/universe/whatever?05:35
Kamionthere's sphinx2, but I'm not entirely sure how to integrate it into general terminal use or what-have-you05:35
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stackpopperI was wondering are there any successful boots with array6 on imac g5's?05:42
Kamiondunno about Array 6, though I'm pretty sure we've had successful installs with earlier milestone releases05:43
stackpopperso the issue is fixed?05:43
stackpopperYour next release is due in May right?05:44
stackpopperI'd like to help resolve the issue before then05:45
Kamionwhich issue?05:45
Kamionrelease is mid-April05:45
stackpopperwell ubuntu not booting on imac g5's05:45
Kamionyou mean Ubuntu 4.10, or a Hoary test CD?05:45
Kamionthere have certainly been kernel fixes since 4.10 which have been reported to fix problems on certain G5 models, but testing is always appreciated05:46
Kamionsince it seems to depend on the exact model05:46
stackpopperk thanks05:47
mdzRiddell: here?05:48
mdzRiddell: I see you uploaded amarok, but didn't correct the dependency issue that I mailed kubuntu-devel about...did my message not get through?05:48
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Riddellmdz: yes it did, that upload was just a new version, I need to think about the dependency issues but that's after I solve the sudo issue which is today's challenge05:50
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zenwhyis it just me05:51
zenwhyor is the array 6 installer broken05:51
zenwhyit copied the packages to the disk05:51
zenwhyand stopped05:51
mdzzenwhy: for future reference, we test the Array images before releasing them, so it is safe to assume that it worked for us05:52
zenwhyI had my mind set on doing this all week05:52
zenwhyWell, it isnt working over here05:52
mdzstopped with what on the screen?05:52
zenwhyI mean, do i have a reason to lie about it05:52
zenwhythe blue background with the grey line at the bottom05:52
mdzcheck tty3 (control+alt+f3) and see if there is anything on the screen05:53
zenwhyit just stopped after it copied the remaining packages to the disk05:53
mdzif you are able to work at the command line, you can press control+alt+f2 and get a shell05:53
zenwhyit stopped with reiserfs progs for some odd reason05:53
mdzmost problems like this are the result of bad media; I suggest burning a new copy at a lower speed05:54
mdzRiddell: so you expect to have a sudo solution for preview?05:54
ograzenwhy: which speed did you use ?05:54
zenwhythe speed my media is rated at05:54
zenwhywhich was 16x05:54
zenwhyill try again I suppose05:55
ograzenwhy: the suggestion is not faster then 8x but 4x is safe05:55
ograso better try 4x05:55
Riddellmdz: yes, working on it now, stuck on why a user can kill su but not sudo05:55
opiRiddell, maybe sudo starts with +s05:57
opiRiddell, so it's not user process anymore05:57
Riddellopi: sure, but so does su and you can kill that05:58
bugaopi: it's not a good reason, /bin/su is also a setuid binary05:58
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mdzogra: are you (MOTU) reviewing the list of uninstallable packages in universe?  the last time I looked, there were several packages which just needed to be rebuilt (shared library transitions)06:01
mdzRiddell: why do you need to kill it?06:01
Riddellmdz: seems kdesu like to start su/sudo to see if it needs a password, then kill it then pop up the password dialogue if needed then start su/sudo for real06:02
tsengmdz: we're most focused on the python transition06:02
ogramdz: its a while ago that i had a look there....(you mean the list Kamion generates ?)06:04
janimdz, you mean the -lX stuff?06:04
Riddellalso it does a kill -0 just to check that it's still alive before passing password06:04
ograjani: -lX is nearly solved .....06:05
mdzogra: if he generates one for universe, yes, that would be the one06:05
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mdzhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/hoary_probs.html is only main06:05
Kamionas I have said before, I merely mirror that list, I don't (any more) generate it06:05
KamionI set up the initial scripts for it, but they run on jackass and I don't have an account there06:05
KamionI think I set them up before universe existed :)06:06
ograKamion: would it be possible to adjust it for universe ?06:06
mdzogra: see above06:06
mdzsounds like it is elmo territory now06:06
Kamionit is06:06
ograhmm, i see, so we'll have to wait until he gts back.....06:07
ogragets even06:07
mdzhe has been checking in periodically while he is away06:07
ograyup...i saw him several times06:08
Kamionit should just be a matter of catting the Packages and Sources files for all the required components together06:08
mdzwow, so many sites reprint stories from distrowatch06:08
robertjspeaking of which, Ubuntu passed Mandrake to obtain the top spot on the 3 month list sometime last night06:09
Riddellmdz: examples?06:09
ograrobertj: we will keep that the next years ;)06:09
zulogra: you optimist06:10
zulits lunch time already?06:10
robertjreally, Mandrake probably still outnumbers ubuntu users by quite a bit but they aren't the distrowatch visiting sort06:10
robertjso I doubt it means much06:10
mdzRiddell: tod-os.com, usalug.org, lots06:11
mdzjust from watching the access logs related to the kubuntu announcement06:11
mdzmany of them are reprints or direct translations of the distrowatch story06:12
robertjis nautilus cd burning currently b0rk on hoary?06:12
sivangmdz: we have a reference for that ever here on the major linux portals :-) kubuntu has created much interest here06:13
Riddellmdz: do you have any thoughts on handling publicity for kubuntu, like when we should get a website and announce proper?06:13
mdzRiddell: sounds like something to raise at Tuesday's CC meeting06:14
opikubuntu.org is taken06:17
opikubuntulinux.org it's not06:17
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zenlolreburned the array six iso06:18
zenlolim giving it another go06:18
Riddellopi: kubuntu.org has been taken since someone at canonical said "oh god they really are going to call it kubuntu arn't they, we'd better buy that domain name"06:18
Riddellmdz: good plan, /me adds to agenda06:18
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opiRiddell, ok :)06:19
Kamion(the name Kubuntu was first suggested before we even went public, from what I remember)06:20
mdzright, kubuntu.org isn't so much taken, as reserved for Kubuntu :-)06:20
mdzKamion: oxford06:20
KamionI thought Jeff mentioned it before that06:20
Kamionbut ok, that was before the preview anyhow06:20
opiI prefer Ubuntu/KDE :-)06:20
opibut Riddell and guys should pick it up06:21
robertjUbuntu/KDE sounds like one might reasonably expect it to release at the sime time as Ubuntu06:21
zenlolI am glad kubuntu exits, so as to keep the regular ubuntu to one disk.06:22
mdzenrico: is there a plan to fix the categorization in Yelp, to get the ubuntu-docs items to the front?06:22
Riddellopi: I was overruled on the name06:22
robertjI kinda had this delusion that the lack of a Kubuntu might force Debian to actually make a release :(06:22
jordino mvo here06:23
robertjhow often do yall end up doing slash & burn reinstalls?06:23
zenloli am doing one now06:24
zenlolat least i hope i am06:24
Kamionall the time, but I'm a special case ;)06:24
opirobertj, I just killed Debian box to turn it into Ubuntu 06:24
Kamionfor my real systems as opposed to test ones, never06:24
robertjI've resisted doing one on principle on my main desktop but things seem to get more and more broke, although they are better han they were06:24
zenloli guess i wont be installing array six06:24
opirobertj, but if something is stable, it's just sits there06:24
robertjMy array stuff seems ok for the most part06:24
zenlolit stops installing on my system after it copies the packages to the disk06:24
Kamionzenlol: it's not *entirely* impossible that that's an archive-copier bug, but it seems unlikely06:25
zenlolmedia should be ruled out at this point as i burned at 4x06:25
zenloland the iso was good06:25
Kamionzenlol: 'ps x' on tty2; what's it going?06:25
zenlolps x?06:25
Kamiontype that06:25
zenlolwhat information are you wanting06:26
Kamionthere should be a .postinst running somewhere06:26
zenloltheres just a huge list of stuff there06:27
zenloltheres a lot of stuff06:27
zenlolbut that isnt one of them06:27
Kamionwhat're the last few lines?06:27
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zenlolps aux | grep post shows it running06:27
zenlolbut nothing it happening at all06:27
Kamionjust the last few lines of 'ps x' please06:28
Kamionprocess names06:28
zenlolim not on that computer06:28
zenlolill have to type it all out06:28
Kamionthe last three or four process names should not be hard work to type06:28
enricomdz: not from the docteam: we tried, but we didn't figure out much on how to do it06:29
KamionI don't care about the PID,Uid,VmSize,Stat columns06:29
zenlolwell then i dont have what you need because these arent process names. Ill just home i can fix it somehow on my own06:29
zenloli think its dying trying ti mount an ntfs drive06:29
zenlolthat i didnt tell it to mount06:29
Kamion'busybox ps x' on a real system shows me:06:29
Kamion 7441 cjwatson   1360 S   pterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-06:29
Kamion 7442 cjwatson   2008 S   -bash06:30
Kamion 7461 cjwatson    740 R   ps x06:30
Kamionso like the bits from 'pterm' on06:30
Kamionok, the installer does go around mounting all filesystems it can find at some stages06:30
zenlolit dies trying to mount an ntfs drive06:30
Kamionyou could put 'exit 0' on the second line of /bin/os-prober as a workaround06:30
Kamionthat sounds like a kernel issue then06:31
zenlolyeah thats what its doing06:31
zenlolkernel issue?06:31
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zenlolthats odd06:31
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zenlolmy hardware couldnt be more standard06:31
zenlolso i can kill the os prober06:32
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zenloland get past this?06:32
zenlolwhat do i need to do to dso that. Ive never had an installation issue with ubuntu before this.06:32
Kamionit seems unlikely that it is a hardware issue; I imagine there's a bug in the NTFS driver06:33
Kamionnano /bin/os-prober06:33
Kamionat some point after 'retrieving installer modules', e.g. while installing the base system06:33
Kamionthis will cause e.g. Windows not to appear in your grub configuration, but you can't have everything ...06:34
KamionI have never heard of an issue like this before though06:34
zenlolwell i know for a fact that its not a hardware issue06:34
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zenloli suppose i will just wait then06:35
Kamionwait for what?06:35
krixhm. i don't know it is a right question on this chan :) but i installed ubuntu array6 on an amd64 system. I upgraded it and installed kernel-2.6.11-106:35
zenlolto use array 6. I dont have the luxury up updating.06:35
krixnow i want to install nvidia driver from nvidia.com and then i got compile errors.06:35
zenlolMy system is broken due to backports.06:35
Kamionzenlol: please file a bug, component 'linux'06:36
zenloland I am on dialup.06:36
zenlolThis clean install was going to get me back on the right path. :/06:36
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krixand i got this error: http://paste.msunix.org/view.php?id=191206:36
krixplease somebody look that06:36
krixi don't know it is a bug in 2.6.11-1 package or a bug in me :)06:37
lamontwow.  42 seconds from 'Starting ubuntu' to a prompt in gdm.06:37
Kamionkrix: looks like the nvidia guys need to update their module, to me06:37
krixKamion, hm i don't know, i installed this module at Fedora Core 306:38
zul2.6.11.1 was like released yesterday so nvidia probably hasnt caught up06:38
krixwithout those problems.06:38
crimsunRE: Nvidia: http://sh.nu/t/67mgw06:38
ograKamion: i thought the 2.6.11 packjage was only a bitkeeper snapshot currently06:39
zulthere isnt a package yet06:39
robertjDo you guys think it would be worth the trouble to have an Ubuntu.ics that listed arrays, freeze dates, and releases?06:39
krixzui: then what i installed ?06:39
zenlolill install array 4 and upgrade to array six from the disk06:39
zuldid you install it throught apt?06:39
krixii  linux-image-2. 2.6.11-0.2     Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on AMD06:39
zenloland use my own kernel configuration06:39
ograzul: there is one in universe afaik....06:39
zenlolill be sure to file a bug though06:39
Kamionyeah, that's an unofficial package that we have for the purposes of experimentation06:40
krixFilename: pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.11/linux-image-2.6.11-1-amd64-k8_2.6.11-0.2_amd64.deb06:40
KamionHoary'll be releasing with 2.6.10, I believe06:40
krixso it comes from universe06:40
ograzul: which fabbione built for playing with 06:40
zulkrix: its experimental and its based on a bitkeeper snapshot06:40
crimsunkrix: that's not
krixno? :)06:40
zuland what crimsun said06:40
crimsunkrix: look at the build date via ,,uname -a''06:41
krixkrics@ubuntu:~$ uname -a06:41
krixLinux ubuntu 2.6.11-1-amd64-k8 #1 Fri Feb 11 14:45:56 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux06:41
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krixthat is intresting yep. on Feb11 there wasn't 2.6.11 released :)06:41
krixso. then i will switch back to 2.6.10 :)06:41
krixthanks for your time and sorry for false reporting.06:42
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krixnow go to reboot. bye :)06:43
zuli should fix that when i get a chance06:43
ograor suppress the package anyhow.....06:43
Riddellmdz: what's the issue with libmad?  is it mp3 can go on the servers but not on the CD?06:44
zulogra: yeah06:44
ograthere are may ppl upgrading to 2.6.11 if they see it i guess.....06:44
mdzrobertj: yes, a calendar would be great06:45
zenloli really cant understand why not having mp3 capability at install time is such an issue for some people. enabling universe will be easier than ever with hoary, and installing mp3 capable players and backends is simple.06:45
robertjmdz: would that be too much of a burden to assign to someone who already had web access ;)06:46
mdzrobertj: web access?06:46
mdzthe release schedule is maintained in the wiki06:46
ograzenlol: google for mp3 license fee06:46
robertjoh, so stick it on as an attachment?06:47
ograzenlol: and probably: price06:47
mdzrobertj: yes, that seems simplest06:47
zenlolmy statement was against including it06:49
ograzenlol: lol, sorry i missed "not having" in your sentence06:49
zenlolall that would be gained from paying the mp3 licensing fees would be the placation of lazy users06:49
sivangseb128: ping06:49
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zenlola "preview release" is coming soon correct?06:51
sivangzenlol: yes06:51
zenlolI will upgrade to that from array 4 when it comes then06:51
zenlolbeing on dialup and having to use my friends for my downloads is a hassle06:52
sivangzenlol: where are you in?06:52
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zenlol\I plan to stay current and be active in the filing of bug reports in a couple months when I am no longer saddled with this horrible internet connection.06:52
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zenlolI am in kentucky, USA. Most of my state has availbale broadband but I am in a very rural earea. five miles to the east and west of me people have broadband.06:53
zenlolI am part of the last mile effort.06:53
sivangzenlol: oh nice :)06:53
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zenwhengreetings from hoary06:57
=== ogra misses his gtk-perl
sivangogra: would you like to test a a binary pkg?06:59
sivangogra: (the g-c-m stuff)06:59
ograsivang: got amd64 for me ?06:59
ograoh, i have no printer around atm....sorry06:59
seb128sivang: pong07:00
lamontif ! killall -0 xsane && killall -0 ptal-mlcd; then07:05
lamont        /etc/init.d/hpoj stop07:05
lamont        /etc/init.d/hpoj start07:05
lamontprobably a bit too gross for 6771, eh?07:05
sivangogra: ah no :-( only source, but I will have seb upload it now and you can get it from the archive already :)07:05
sivangseb128: done with #2251, can you upload/review?07:05
seb128sivang: tomorrow, I'll go for dinner in a few min07:06
lamontdaniels: around?07:06
sivangseb128: ok, thanks07:07
[m0rph] which package contains the file "usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h"? (debian had it in xlibs-dev)07:10
Kamion[m0rph] : http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/07:10
[m0rph] Kamion: thx07:11
LoevborgKamion, are there plans to do an official version of that service?07:11
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KamionLoevborg: see the top News item on that page07:18
zulthere inotify finally building at last07:18
LoevborgKamion, thanks.07:19
tsengzul: rock07:26
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zultseng: ill test it on my pc first and once im sure its not going to break anything ill put it up at the usualy place for you to test if you want07:30
tsengim at the conference all07:30
tsengday, i wont be mucking with my kernel07:30
tsengbefore my talk at least.07:30
zulwell its going to take a while for the thing to build07:30
sivangogra: you can get the source pkgs here: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/g-c-m/07:32
sivangogra: (as well as i386 bin ones)07:32
ograsivang: ok, i'll look at them if i solved my pygtk issue with hwdb.....07:33
sivangogra:  lemme know if it breaks anything :)07:34
sivangbut I'm away from now and probably for the weekedn07:34
sivanglaterz all07:34
ograsivang: i'll follow up to your bug if thats ok07:35
sivangogra: make sure cupsys is installed , becuase if it's not, nothing special will happen :)07:36
sivangogra: I'll see you later.07:36
ograsivang, yup (btw... cupsys is installed by default)07:36
Treenakssomething "special" ? :)07:37
ograTreenaks: ?? special ??07:38
Treenaksoh nothing special07:38
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Treenaksspecial, too07:38
ograTreenaks: yeah, if cupsys is installed someting special will happen07:39
Treenaksogra: I just read it wrong.. 07:39
ograTreenaks: dunno what though (beside that it will show an additional checkbox) but probably sivang comes around and does your dishes or something ;)07:40
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zenwhenmy scroll wheel goes back and forward in firefox07:53
zenwhenand the back and forward buttons scroll07:53
zenwheni may just go back to warty and stay there for a long time lol07:54
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pittimdz: here?08:06
pittiHi psy08:06
lamonthrm... really need to make /home shared across multiple machines in the house...08:07
psylamont: samba?08:07
Treenaksubuntu/win32 ? :P08:07
lamontTreenaks: no winblows boxen  here08:07
lamontalthough I've been instructed to install it on one machine08:08
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lamontdamn windoze-only school software08:08
Treenakslamont: doesn't wine work?08:08
lamontTreenaks: non trivial code08:08
Treenakslamont: ugh08:08
lamontis ok.  the box will be dmz'ed to hell and gone, with nearly 0 internet connectivity08:08
psylamont: secure host file system.08:08
psydoes not work with windows, but hey :p08:09
Nafalloaha, kernel module...08:11
mdzpitti: yes08:12
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ogramdz: thanks for the followup :)08:15
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lamontpsy: package name or what module?08:16
pittimdz: Hi! didn't catch you this morning, is there any news about langpack/ship?08:17
mdzpitti: apart from what we agreed yesterday?08:17
pittimdz: yesterday we decided only about the live CD AFAIK08:18
psylamont: shfs-utils08:18
mdzpitti: no, I said to go ahead with ship as well08:18
psyor shfs-source, haven't installed it on ubuntu yet. :p08:18
pittimdz: oh, I thought we don't have enough space for all 10 packages, so that we need further discussion08:18
pittimdz: but I'm happy to seed them08:18
mdzoh, we don't?08:18
mdzI thought it was only 30M or so08:19
pittimdz: should fit even on the ppc, though08:19
mdzthere is enough space, then08:19
pittimdz: btw, when is germinate updated with the new seeds?08:19
mdzpitti: daily, I think.  check with Kamion08:19
pittimdz: we threw lesstif1 out of the seeds over a week ago, but it's still in main08:19
mdzpitti: that's probably due to sparc08:19
Kamion0 0 * * *               update-germinate08:19
pittiok, I'll ask him08:19
Kamionthat output is just informational, but I can make it happen more often if you like08:20
mdzpitti: did you check whether it shows up in germinate?08:20
pittiKamion: hm, any idea why lesstif1 is still there?08:20
Kamionpitti: look at rdepends/08:20
mdzpitti: if it shows up in germinate, rdepends/ will tell why08:20
pittimdz: I checked p.u.c./~cjwatson/germinate-hoary-output (or so)08:20
Kamion2 * * * *               update-germinate08:20
mdzpitti: if it isn't in germinate, it's probably sparc08:20
Kamionthere, should be a bit more useful08:20
pittimdz, Kamion: also, I checked with madision08:21
pitti  lesstif1 | 1:0.93.94-11ubuntu2 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc08:21
mdzpitti: when you checked germinate-output/hoary, did you see lesstif1 or no?08:21
pittimdz: I saw it08:21
Kamionit's not there for me08:22
Kamionmdz: that's for lesstif208:22
mdzlesstif1 is in extra, so it should be able to move to universe fine08:22
Kamionthey come from the same source package08:22
pittilesstif-dev                               | lesstif1-1                      | Generated by lesstif1-108:22
mdzKamion: lesstif1 is built by lesstif1-108:22
Kamionpitti: I do not see that in all08:23
pittiKamion: yes, but I thought we can throw some binaries of a source package to universe?08:23
Kamionpitti: don't bother looking in *extra08:23
Kamionpitti: yes08:23
pittioh, I did08:23
pittioh, indeed08:23
mdzit's not james' list08:23
mdzbut that may be due to sparc08:23
pittiKamion: but why does madison lie?08:23
Kamionpitti: it does not lie08:24
mdzpitti: madison does not lie; it is in main08:24
Kamionpitti: demotion to universe is manual, not automatic08:24
lamontKamion: muppomatic :-)08:24
mdzpitti: I think we need for elmo to exclude sparc from his germinate runs until it is fixed08:25
mdzthere will be other packages like this08:25
pittimdz: it would be great to throw this out, lesstif1 is a PITA08:25
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ogragah, spambots08:29
zenwheneverything works in hoary but my mouse wheel08:30
zenwhenand theres no reason it shouldnt be because my xconfig is the same as I have used in every distro i have ever used08:30
zenwhenand it worked in warty08:30
mdzzenwhen: I suggest letting the system generate your X configuration rather than copying it; then your scroll wheel is likely to work08:34
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pittiKamion: if I put some language-pack-foo stuff in Ship, do I need to remove them from Supported?08:37
Kamionpitti: you don't have to, but I generally do; being in ship implies supported already08:38
mdzyes, it's redundant to have them in both places08:39
pittiKamion: I know, but it might be easier to change08:39
pittiokay, I remove it08:39
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pittimdz: btw, l-support-en is already in ship08:40
mdzpitti: yes, I realize08:41
mdzlikewise for live08:41
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Kamionmdz: ok to remove the installer question about whether you want to update from the network?08:57
Kamionmdz: just always answering 'yes' works fine now due to the rearrangements for #6390, although if the network is not available then it leaves the network entries commented out08:58
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krixhello again.09:03
ograpitti: do you want me to include a question about language settings in hwdb-client ?09:04
krixin ubuntu array6 version at 2.6.10-4 version of kernel. It did not contains the SB Live 24! Bit driver. This driver is snd-card-ca0106 any support for this in the future updates of 2.6.10 kernels about this problem ? 09:06
krixsorry if i'm speaking lame things or stupidity :) i'm new for ubuntu and new for this community too.09:06
Kamionare NFS mounts with a Hoary client incredibly slow for anyone else?09:09
Kamionmaybe it's my server09:09
ogra(hoary server and client)09:09
Kamionpretty sure it used to be fine with a Warty client09:10
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ograbut i have set mount options like rsize and wsize to 819209:11
ogramaybe that affects the speed a bit09:11
krixSo anyone to  my soundcard support question? :)09:11
Kamionkrix: I don't see the string 'ca0106' anywhere in the kernel source we have09:13
krixi think this is in alsa-sources09:14
ograkrix: isnt that a usb device ?09:16
krixogra, it is an integrated SB Live 24! bit soundcard. 09:16
krixWhich is stays at my MSi K8N SLI Platinum Motherboard :)09:16
krixlspci identify him as SB Audigy LS09:16
krixbtw google and others things say that i need snd-ca0106 module for this card.09:17
krixyou can see on here.09:17
krixogra, Kamion : and the kernel package which is in universe tree (2.6.11-1) contains this module.09:18
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Kamionok, presumably it got merged upstream; it's really too late for us to switch to a new upstream kernel for hoary though09:18
Kamionkrix: please file a bug, component 'linux', asking for that driver to be merged; I don't know if it will be merged, but if you don't file a bug, it probably won't. :-)09:19
krixah :)09:19
krixhm i hope :)09:20
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abellidid smurfix show up today?09:26
zulit just never ends09:27
abellizul: hu?09:28
zulim just talking to myself kind of09:28
abelliahh.. ok09:28
krixKamion, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7220 filled09:31
zulkrix: thanks09:32
krixi hope isn't a bad bugreport :) I'm not a bugreporting expert :)09:32
krixzul, i thanks :)09:32
KamionI did ask for component 'linux'09:37
krixso i ask, what "component 'linux' " means? :)09:40
krixthe Package ??09:40
krixI found only one place where i can specify linux :) And that was the OS :)09:41
krixsorry, i'm not a bugzilla using expert09:41
krixi can correct out if you say what to correct.09:41
ograkrix: the package should be linux09:43
krixoh. 09:46
krixcorrected out. Sorry for this.09:47
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krixheh. 09:50
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krixnow bye09:59
mdzKamion: absolutely10:03
Kamionmdz: done10:06
Kamionmdz: I think I know why people are missing linux-restricted-modules a lot in install reports; it'll require a base-installer change, possibly best a merge of a new version from Debian10:09
Kamionbut I'm only here very briefly and need to go again, I'll look at it on Monday10:09
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abelligood night everyone10:42
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zenwhenis himem enabled in ubuntu smp kernels11:22
mdzzenwhen: yes11:24
mdzit's enabled in everything except the -386 flavour, I believe11:24
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zenwhenIve decided to start using the official kernels, and stop mixing in non ubuntu packages11:26
zenwhenmy last install is thoroughly hosed11:26
zenroxthank god for using a seprate partion for /home right11:31
zenwhenbut i hack so many things to my liking outside of home11:32
zenroxmake back up in the /home for that11:33
zenwhenthat I am still kind of bummed11:33
zenwhenmy poor beautiful install ;_;11:33
zenroxso you just have to copy and paste11:33
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