[12:00] its breaking my pbuilder [12:00] tseng: a not purged update-notifier maybe? it looks like debris in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99update-notifier ? [12:01] mvo: will look. it shouldve never had update-notifer, its a chroot [12:01] no X === bradb [~bradb@modemcable093.84-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] tseng: I know :) it looks looks like this config-file :) [12:02] tseng: you cleared unneeded stuff in /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf.d/ ? [12:03] dholbach: hm its in there in fact [12:03] dholbach: good call! [12:03] jdub: update on #6582? [12:03] tseng: ran into it too :-) [12:03] dholbach: I better note that on the wiki [12:03] tseng: yeah... good thinking [12:03] its very vexxing [12:08] i guess i'm off for tonight... good night [12:08] bye again dholbach [12:08] bye tseng [12:09] hey all [12:09] mdz: no traction from upstream, so two choices: go with oss by default, or revert to esound. === sivang is here for about an hour or so === Alessio [~Alessio@host208-7.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717779.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] jdub: ok, I know pitti encounters this bug, so perhaps he can have a look [12:20] daniels: ping? [12:26] zul: are you guys planning another kernel upload before preview, or no? [12:28] mdz: [12:28] zul: should fixes the issues with the current version, are you going to update it ? :) [12:28] seb128: of course its on my todo list for this weekend [12:28] mdz: that's speaking about the inotify update [12:29] mdz: yeah there is a couple of bug fixes including inotify update [12:29] oh zul is here [12:29] :) [12:29] im around [12:29] yeah, I've seen that :) [12:30] so am i (but not for long) :) [12:30] BTW mdk has just rolled back to dnotify for 10.2 [12:30] mdz: the bugs i seen for some keyboard problems, with ps/2 keyboards locking up on some chipsets there is a patch in ac serries that prevents it from loking up [12:31] I'm curious to know if they will switch again :) [12:31] mdz: http://www.dragoninc.on.ca/mail-archives/linux-kernel/2004-07/5260.html [12:32] plus the 3ware proc_name stuff === zul goes wonder off [12:36] bye zul [12:36] seb128: w/o looking in the source.. whats "openbox fixes" mean === T-Bone calls it a night, bye all === T-Bone is now known as T-None [12:38] tseng: read the bugzilla for it :p [12:38] zul: that patch looks very sketchy :-) but if it works... [12:38] tseng: basically need to add a session management option to start openbox [12:38] oh there is the bug number [12:38] im dumb [12:38] seb128: in gnome-panel i now have "Home Folder" and "Desktop Folder|Desktop" - you seeing this? [12:39] jdub: nop [12:39] mdz: it was included in fc2 [12:39] jdub: weird "...|" is a comment for translators usually [12:39] jdub: what locale is that ? [12:39] it sounds like a bong .po file [12:39] yep [12:39] similar happened to me in muine cvs recently [12:40] damn it...i hate inotify sometimes [12:40] zul: sometimes? [12:40] :) [12:40] en_AU.UTF-8 [12:40] ok...most times [12:40] jdub: is that a real locale ? :p [12:40] no .po for that, hum === jdub spanks seb128 [12:41] :p [12:41] I seem to be able to edit the ubuntu website [12:41] I don't think I should be able to [12:41] people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/screenshots/odd-places-menu.png [12:42] jdub: en_AU is using any langpack ? [12:42] the en langpack [12:42] i'll check if there's a translation [12:43] thanks [12:43] http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu-edit.png [12:43] I don't have that in "C" locale here [12:43] urg [12:43] that's ugly [12:43] what browser is that ? [12:43] no language [12:43] konqueror, the worst usability kludge ever [12:44] utch [12:44] should I be able to edit the ubuntu website? [12:44] seb128: is 'utch' french for 'ouch'? :) [12:44] correct ;) [12:45] or a variant, you can use both :) [12:45] BTW the spinner is ugly on this screenshot, and the icons bigs/weirds [12:46] Uploading via ftp clearlooks_0.4-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [12:46] Successfully uploaded packages. [12:46] seb128: to each his own [12:46] jdub: rock. [12:46] gnome-panel/panel-menu-items.c: Q_("Desktop Folder|Desktop") [12:46] seb128: is "Desktop Folder" our change? [12:46] nop [12:46] that's a comment for translators [12:46] oh [12:47] and from the upstream source [12:47] thought it was other way around, my bong [12:47] Q(..|...) is comment|string [12:47] I don't understand why that's bong on your system :) [12:47] cl 0.4 has animated progress bars :) [12:48] cool [12:49] grumpf [12:49] clear looks is a nice engine. :) === seb128 doesn't like language pack slowing the translations updates [12:49] should I be able to edit the ubuntu website? [12:49] not really === [paZx] [~drei@host174-163.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] Riddell: you can edit some areas of it with your wiki loging [12:51] Riddell: login, even [12:51] Riddell: I for instance, add news items , sidebar announcments, faqs etc [12:51] sivang: like security notices? [12:52] Riddell: that I am not sure. You would have to ask mdz/pitti how they do it , or about anybody else who deals with security [12:52] jdub: package name changed? [12:52] Riddell: (e.g., not sure if the USNs are part of the doc team allowed content editing sections) [12:52] #. Translators: Desktop is [12:52] #. * Folder" (this is not the [12:52] #. * not keep "Desktop Folder|" [12:52] #: ../gnome-panel/panel-menu-bar.c:622 [12:52] msgid "Desktop Folder|Desktop" [12:52] msgstr "Desktop Folder|Desktop" [12:52] in the en_GB.po [12:52] Riddell: only security personnel can modify the security notices [12:52] bah, translators don't read the comments :p [12:52] mdz: I seem to be able to modify them [12:53] Riddell: URL? [12:53] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-1-1 for example === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] mdz: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu-edit1.png [12:54] Riddell: what happens if you click the edit tab? [12:55] mdz: then I can edit and save [12:55] how unfortunate [12:55] I fucking hate plone [12:55] how much do you hate it? On a scale of 1 to Arch? [12:55] sqrt(arch) [12:55] lol [12:57] Keybuk: woah, *ouch* dude! === seb128 kicks the language packs [12:58] jdub: I get the issue too with the french locale without the language pack with the deb :p === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] mdz: do you have a representative for the kernel team for the meeting next friday? === omar [~omar@24-193-228-145.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] zul: lamont will presumably attend, but any and all are welcome [12:59] mdz: k cool === lamont will be there [01:00] better be :) [01:00] jdub: [01:00] en_GB.po [01:00] et.po [01:00] fr.po [01:00] mk.po [01:01] jdub: these are the bugged po file ... are you sure you are not using "en_GB" ? :) === Liblit [~liblit@byrd.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] would someone here have the time to implement lookup for SRV-records in gaim's jabbercode post-hoary? should I sign a bug about it? === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["If] === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] seb128: ah, it must be falling back through it; yeah [01:03] $ cat /etc/environment [01:03] LANGUAGE="en_AU:en_US:en_GB:en" === Liblit waves to seb128. [01:03] Nafallo: it isn't generally useful to file bugs asking for features unless they are trivial [01:03] hi Liblit [01:03] jdub: k, that's it :) [01:03] Howdy. [01:04] cool :) [01:04] you Liblit [01:04] No specific questions at the moment. Just being neighborly. [01:04] jdub: I'll bug translators [01:04] Liblit: k [01:04] jdub: me Liblit. You jdub. Where Tarzan? [01:04] :) [01:05] mdz: oki. upstream just asked for a patch for it on my RFE. I haven't got the skills though. maybe I could try and someone could review it? :-) [01:05] heh [01:05] Liblit: calling mdz Tarzan ? :p [01:05] we have a jane, too ;) === Liblit isn't calling anybody anything, and should probably go home before he gets himself in trouble. [01:06] Nafallo: sure, ask on #ubuntu-motu [01:06] Nafallo: we simply can't accept feature requests for all of the features that the world would like to see in open source software :-) [01:09] mdz: I know. just had to try first. the situation is so... awfully dumb. all servers supports SRV but I have yet to see a client that does. and that's for a thing being in the XMPP Core RFC. === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-73-116.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] lamont: around ? [01:11] yo [01:12] do you have an idea on the gtk-doc issue ? [01:13] works fine in an hoary pbuilder here [01:13] apt-get source gtk-doc [01:13] I haven't bothered to track down which package is Depend'ing openjade, but the solution is to either fix gtk-doc to not Conflict: openjade (whatever that takes), or to change whatever Depends: openjade to accept something else [01:13] and debuild [01:13] that works in a pbuilder [01:14] the buildd gets the Recommends or what ? === lamont tries giving it back [01:14] k [01:14] pbuilder picks Depends differently than sbuild [01:14] apt-get source gtk-doc [01:14] Package openjade is not installed, so not removed [01:14] The following NEW packages will be installed: [01:14] cdbs debconf-utils debhelper docbook docbook-dsssl docbook-xml docbook-xsl file gettext html2text intltool-debian jade [01:14] libmagic1 libosp4 libostyle1 libsp1 libxml2 libxml2-utils libxslt1.1 po-debconf sgml-base sgml-data xml-core xsltproc [01:14] 0 upgraded, 24 newly installed, 0 to remove and 69 not upgraded. [01:14] [01:14] does that in a pbuilder [01:15] a Depends is a Depends [01:15] there is different way to pick them ? [01:15] yeah, but | lists are handled differently [01:15] k [01:15] hrm, dangerous; half a bottle of red wine seems to have vanished [01:16] (our) sbuild takes the first installable one, [debian's sbuild takes the first one, period] , and pbuilder takes the last one === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-24-41.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] and xorg crash, nice :p === lamont reproduces the build failure on his machine, updates the chroot. :-) [01:17] docbook-dsssl [01:17] Depends: openjade | jade [01:17] [01:17] I guess that's it [01:18] The following NEW packages will be installed: [01:18] cdbs debconf debconf-i18n debconf-utils debhelper docbook docbook-dsssl [01:18] docbook-xml docbook-xsl file gettext gettext-base html2text intltool-debian [01:18] jade liblocale-gettext-perl libmagic1 libosp4 libostyle1 libsp1 [01:18] libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl libxml2 [01:18] libxml2-utils libxslt1.1 openjade po-debconf sgml-base sgml-data xml-core [01:18] xsltproc [01:18] could be [01:18] " * [debian/control] Added Build-Conflicts-Indep: openjade to ensure that jade [01:18] rather than openjade is detected (the runtime dependency is on jade, not [01:18] openjade). (Closes: #247542) [01:18] " [01:19] for J.H.M in the changelog [01:19] I tend to blame sbuild here :p === bradb [~bradb@modemcable065.154-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] one could re-order the tests? [01:19] Kamion: you about? [01:21] build-conflicts are just vile things.... === lamont hates them [01:22] so the simple fix would be to fix the Depends order for docbook-dsssl :0) [01:22] bah [01:22] and an another package will require the other order [01:22] seb128: since that upgrade I told you about, my system never got back to itself , did you have anybody else report the same? [01:22] and we are screwed :p [01:22] the fix is to fix sbuild === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [jr@jriddell.kde] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [sjoerd@80.126.201.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] jade | openjade is correct, apt-get source handles it fine [01:23] seb128: redrawing a window takes ~2secs second [01:23] no [01:23] seb128: somehow, I fear you are correct. [01:23] :) === sjoerd [sjoerd@simons.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] seb128: I have antoher ubuntu hoary, on another hd, which works fine. you have any idea what to check? === lamont grumbles at mdz for breaking emacs21 [01:27] try to install something different from gnome [01:27] ie: wmaker [01:27] or perhaps that's due to the xorg driver === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] seb128: jade | openjade is what I suggested changing it to. :-) [01:29] seb128: I would suspect the xorg driver , maybe I should try install xfree86 ? [01:29] mdz: pong [01:29] lamont: yeah, but the order should not matter :) === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] sivang: what video card and what driver do you use ? [01:29] seb128: true. But then, | lists are evil and shouldn't be there anyway [01:30] that's what virtual packages are for === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:30] daniels, do you need any other info about my bug? otherwise I can go to bed :) [01:30] seb128: btw, feel free to beat on daniels about gossip_0.8-1ubuntu2 [01:30] lamont: even with virtual package you may want to set a preference [01:30] checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXss... yes [01:30] configure: error: Couldn't find XScreenSaver extension. [01:30] m [01:30] I just love that... [01:30] I've already looked on gossip and pinged daniel [01:31] I don't understand what's wrong [01:31] seb128: actually, the policy? on virtual packages is that you Depend: real | virtual, with real being the highest priority alternative [01:31] it used to work fine and has not changed, and the config.log doesn't show anything special [01:31] lamont: right [01:31] it says it found it in -lXss, and then immediately says it couldn't find it.... sounds like a configure script issue to me..... [01:31] but really nfc [01:31] seb128: using xorg 6.8.2-2, nvidia Geforce2 [01:32] yeah, I've tried to track it a bit but doesn't seems obvious === lamont will stare at sbuild and see what can be done... [01:32] where oh where is Kamion when I need him to do perl hacking for me??? [01:33] lamont: jade/openjade doesn't provide anything ... what do you suggest, changing the | order ? [01:33] (ugly hack) [01:33] the immediate fix is to change the order. The longer term fix is for me (er, Kamion?) to fix sbuild.... [01:33] k [01:33] in debian, the only fix is to change the order, fwiw [01:34] seb128: 32M vid ram [01:34] lamont: it builds fine in debian ... [01:34] sivang: dunno, do you have the composite ? [01:34] ah, cool. it's Kamion's hack for layer'ed building. :-) [01:34] seb128: what is composite? ;-) [01:35] lamont: ups, no [01:36] lamont: it's a "all" package, so no buildd used in debian for it [01:36] sivang: transparancy stuff [01:37] seb128: where do I check it? xorg.conf? [01:37] nm [01:37] if you don't know about it you have not played with that [01:37] seb128: doh. right [01:37] lupusBE: which bug was that, sorry? i have a lot ... [01:38] seb128: ah ok [01:39] daniels, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7123 [01:40] lamont: it's not obvious to me how to fix #7109. can you take care of it? [01:40] mdz: is that emacs? [01:40] lamont: yes [01:40] lupusBE: ah, -dev. i don't know [01:41] the choices are a well placed 'touch', or add autocrap to the Build-Depends... (which is what I did for zsh when it had a similar problem...) thoughts? [01:41] yeah some problem with the linking :) [01:43] lamont: touch [01:44] ok. the touch in zsh was lost deep in the bowels of something and I got tired of looking... This one should be trivial [01:44] mdz: wanna do some perl hacking for me while I fix emacs? === kent [~kent@c83-249-61-222.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] lamont: pardon? [01:45] oh god not sbuild [01:45] sbuild needs a little more love in it's build-dep selection algorithm. [01:45] eh, why do you want to fix sbuild? [01:45] which is on the edges of what I understand [01:45] lamont: apt-get build-dep [01:45] elmo: any luck with dvi? [01:45] going to bed :) hf daniels ;) [01:45] mdz: understood [01:45] elmo: gtk-doc is ftbfs [01:45] and I have to agree that apt-get build-dep would do the right thing [01:46] daniels: given up - I'm just using a 2nd laptop as a terminal to the dead powerbook [01:46] mdz: although apt-get will randomize which virtual package gets selected, no? [01:46] not that I am at all advocating that change at this time [01:46] elmo: dude, that bites [01:46] lamont: lemme get this straight it b-d's on a | b and conflicts with b? [01:46] lamont: for pure virtual, it will abort and yell at you [01:46] elmo: maybe your video hardware is totally shot? [01:46] lamont: for a | b, it tries a, and sort of vaguely attempts to fall back to b [01:46] elmo: it build-deps docbook-dsssl, which build-depends openjade | jade. gtk-doc build-conflcts openjade [01:47] elmo: have gtk-doc build-dep docbook-dsssl and jade === nasdaq|away [~sdfsdfs@tkp-ip-nas-1-p197.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] the last great hackery on this code was by Kamion (thank you Kamion) to have it find the first package in the list that was installable (ogre modle) [01:47] daniels: could well be, it'll need to be RMAed when I get to back to the UK in any event [01:47] mdz: I like that idea... [01:48] er, s/elmo/lamont/ === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:48] lamont: err, second build-dep == dep? [01:48] Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 4.1.0), docbook-dsssl, xsltproc, jade (>= 1.2.1-35), libxml2-utils, docbook-xml, docbook-xsl [01:48] Build-Conflicts-Indep: openjade [01:48] sadly, so did the maintainer [01:48] elmo: yes [01:48] lamont: right, so put jade ahead of docbook-dsssl ;-) [01:49] lol. /me tries [01:49] are there actually valid use cases for build [01:49] build-conflicts? === jba [~SecretSqu@c211-30-145-155.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] yeah. build-conflicts/. [01:50] guys why is it so damn hard to find a hoary download link on the ubuntulinux.org website? [01:50] i mean it's here in the topic, but I'm damned if i can find it on the website [01:50] WOOOHOOO!!! [01:50] seb128: I'm gonna upload a new gtk-doc, if that's OK with you... [01:50] jba: because it's a development version -- it's not there for the masses [01:51] jba: think of the children! [01:51] lamont: np, go for it :) [01:51] daniels: i can appreciate that, but it is there, somewhere. It just pains me every time i need to go searching for it [01:51] seb128/mdz: and we'll make sure that bob (lunchpad) handles the use case [01:51] k [01:51] someone suggested I try array 6 last night cause i was having grub issues [01:51] seb128: done [01:51] can someone sned a linky to array 6 please ? [01:52] or will a daily suffice? [01:52] seb128: and that was _MUCH_ easier than perl hacking. :-) [01:52] please sir, i want some more [01:52] cdimage.ubuntu.com [01:52] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/ [01:52] that is posted many places. [01:52] tah fellas [01:53] right. emacs21 [01:53] jdub: have you noticed that bit torrnet ports have been throttled in australian networks lately? [01:53] these days it's quicker to direct dl, than to torrent [01:54] hrm, i don't tend to see that here [01:54] lamont: yeah, nice way to get that solved :) [01:54] jdub: i'm on optusnet, it may just be specific to them [01:54] seb128: not the most informative changelog entry, I admit. === srbaker_ [~srbaker@blk-222-52-156.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] he he [01:54] but moving the docbook-dsssl link after jade fixes things [01:55] worst of it is that I understand why... [01:57] mdz: what command did you use to (1) unpack and (2) pack the emacs21 upload? === lamont bets on apt-get source and debuild [02:01] ok new test kernel with new inotify is being built now [02:01] woo [02:01] 2.6.10 or 11? [02:01] hopefully it will work [02:02] 2.6.11 didnt apply cleanly so i had to much around it [02:03] s/much/muck/g [02:05] ahr [02:13] lamont: dpkg-source and dpkg-source [02:13] well, dpkg-buildpackage in the latter case, but indirectly dpkg-source [02:13] mdz: ok. [02:13] it was probably on a tmpfs, if you're wondering why you get a different order than I did [02:13] of course, the other solution is to vi emacs21*.diff.gz :-) === lamont ducks === mdz throws rotten tomatoes at lamont for his gtk-doc changelog entry [02:14] mdz: missed a step on that one... [02:15] (1) try something, which means saying _something_ in changelog. (1b) iterate. (2) fix changelog to something proper. (3) upload. === lamont missed (2). :-( [02:15] and realized that at 3.5 [02:15] clean: debian-sync [02:15] + touch debian/autofiles.diff [02:15] ${checkdir} === lamont feels unclean [02:16] * Fix ftbfs by touching autofiles.diff in clean target. Closes: #7109 [02:16] that any better than gtk-doc??? === srbaker_ is now known as srbaker === lamont uploads [02:18] er, um... hrm... [02:18] about those uploads... [02:18] was I supposed to get permission first? [02:18] DOH! === lamont kinda thinks they were both defacto-approved, but .... [02:19] where is the debian amd64 archive? [02:20] on alioth, AFAIK [02:20] azeem: somewhere on/under alioth, yes... was after the actual URL... [02:21] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-amd64/ [02:22] thanks [02:23] lamont: FTBFS have implicit approval === mdz hopes he doesn't regret saying that [02:24] lol === lamont hands mdz some valium [02:26] I am so far beyond valium's reach [02:26] mdz: smack is your friend [02:26] or crank [02:28] mdz: so I'm going to roll the i810 driver back to 6.8.2, because HEAD is just broken to shit [02:33] daniels: are you planning to try to squeeze in a xorg upload for preview? [02:34] mdz: i810 needs to go [02:34] daniels: when will you be ready? I'd like to review the changes with you [02:34] mdz: i'll try for asap [02:34] mdz: probably not before you go to sleep tonight though [02:35] I will be here tomorrow [02:35] and sunday [02:35] the repo man has all night, every night [02:38] indeed he does === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] i'll bounce you a link and changelog in /msg when it's done === daniels looks at the pretty hailstorm out his window. [02:38] okay guys will check in if i get it working === buga is now known as buga-away === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp51-83.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] daniels: i810 is the source of the slowness bugs? [02:42] jdub: nope, no idea what's up with that (works for me on i810 and radeon, and people have reported it with tdfx and nvidia also) [02:42] hrm [02:42] jdub: but mode validation on crts has been busted for a while (so desktop people can't use it, not even if they put in sync ranges), and I don't have time to fix it; apparently some laptop stuff is now rooted too [02:42] i don't think i'm getting it here [02:42] the two things we lose are: a) DRI around suspend/resume, b) support for widescreen panels [02:43] jdub: i pulled i810 from HEAD a while back. it is, imo, terminally broken. [02:43] jdub: the features we get are DRI around suspend/resume (previously after you suspended, that's it; we need kernel support we don't have for that anyway), and support for widescreen panels without needing nasty hacks [02:44] jdub: unfortunately, alanh doesn't believe in death by a thousand cuts, so his massive Tungsten code drop broke mode validation on CRTs (it will reject any mode above 800x600 @ 53Hz), and apparently you now need esoteric sync ranges for some laptop panels where you didn't before [02:45] i don't have time to fix either of those issues before release (not that I have i8xx desktop hardware), and I don't think those two features (one of which we don't get anyway) are worth it for breaking a whole swathe of Intel hardware === moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717779.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] why does g-v-m always segfault on upgrade? [02:53]