BiteMeBillbulio: what network card do you have?12:00
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BiteMeBillzenrox: Why did that bot tell me something didn't look right?12:00
QuaruptHow can I male it so i can call the limewire script from anywhere? put it in my PATH?12:00
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bulioPci/PnP network:12:01
bulioDevice DescriptionType12:01
bulioHewlett-Packard EN1207D-TX 10/100 Fast Ethernet AdapterPCI12:01
BiteMeBillbulio: Ok BRB12:02
cybergasmwhat version of debian is ubuntu based on?12:02
LevanderIs there anything to getting a default ubuntu mysql install to allow connections to come in from other machines other than commenting out skip-networking in my.cnf?12:02
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Quaruptcybergasm, Im pretty sure its sid12:03
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Quaruptmaybe Warty is based on woody or sarge and Hoary is based on sid12:04
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LoevborgLevander, yes12:04
mjrQuarupt, not exactly12:04
LoevborgLevander, the permissions for your databases might specify that only localhost ist allowed12:05
mjrwarty is based on sid too, just an earlier snapshot12:05
Quaruptwell ya lean something evceryday12:05
LoevborgLevander, to check: mysql -uroot -p mysql, select * from user;12:06
Quaruptmjr can you refresh my memory on how so add a .sh to your path so it can be galled anywhere?12:06
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Quaruptsomething in bash.rc right?12:06
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Quaruptor basgrc.conf or whatever is is12:07
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scizzoanyone knows which is used mostly acpid or apm?12:09
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billytwowillyapm=old and busted12:09
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elcucowhich application do i have to watch tv?12:10
Levanderloevborg, i get table output from that command that looks like it's supposed to be in columns, but the columns get all messed up on my screen12:10
Alessioi use gxmame12:10
Alessiobut it doesn't find my roms12:10
Alessiobut hte path is ggod12:10
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LoevborgLevander, yes, we all love mysql's output :)12:11
IRCMonkeyI have an installation question for which I have found no help in the support forums12:11
IRCMonkeyanybody willing to listen?12:11
Levanderyou know which columns i'm supposed to look for so i can only query for those, really can't figure out that output12:11
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LoevborgLevander, "user" I suppose12:11
raydogg``when was array 5 released ?12:12
Quaruptso v=can someone help me add this script to the PATh so i can call it from anywhere12:12
Levanderloevborg, okay, i get root, debian-sys-maint, and root as results12:12
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Levanderloevborg, but u know i get the host not allowed message even when i'm using telnet, that doesn't know anything about which user12:13
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Levandertelnet 3306 gives same error12:13
LoevborgLevander, "select Host,User from user;"12:14
LoevborgLevander, if you get "localhost"s, then you've found your problem.12:14
LoevborgLevander, you're probably better off creating a new user for wordpress anyway.12:14
Levanderloevborg, no root is is in two rows, one with localhost as the host, the other with bread (the DNS name of my linux box) in the host column12:15
Levanderloevborg, this is simply to learn more about mysql, i'll get it running, then make it run correctly12:15
LoevborgLevander, you can change that to "%"12:15
IRCMonkeyI have a major installation problem without an apparent solution12:16
Levanderchange what to %?12:16
uMkuluLevander: that doesn't look right12:16
LoevborgLevander, then try if it changes a thing12:16
IRCMonkeymaybe somebody can help me out12:16
BiteMeBillAnyone else here have problems with an HP network card not being compatable?12:16
LoevborgLevander, update Host="%" where user="root";12:16
Phillboanyone set up pptp to a ms2k3 box with warty yet? any help appreciated12:16
LoevborgLevander, but you'd better use the "grant" command for real life - see mysql documentation.12:17
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Quaruptcan i put export PATH=/home/user/Limewire/runLime.sh:${PATH} anywhere in my bashrc ?12:17
Levanderloevborg, instead of changing all root users to %, can I change just the root user on bread to %? Just sounds safer12:18
Levanderupdate host="%" where user="root" and host="bread"; give me a syntax error12:18
LoevborgLevander, sure. I leave that as an excercise to you to figure out :)12:18
Levanderlearning mysql sux12:18
LoevborgLevander, try single quotes :|12:19
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Levanderloevborg, same error, i think the problem is i'm not specifying the table name12:19
kentDo a normal desktop need evms to be installed? Enterprise Volume Management sounds like something i dont neeed.. ?12:20
LoevborgLevander, oops sorry, I'm rusty12:20
LoevborgLevander, update user etc etc...12:20
LoevborgLevander, update user set host='%' where ...;12:20
LoevborgLevander, fortunately, I don't do much sql nowadays :)12:20
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Levanderokay, that worked, i have to commit or anything before trying to connect again?12:21
LoevborgLevander, remember to issue "flush privilleges;" after that12:21
socommAre there any plans for better multimedia integration into ubuntu's interface?12:21
Loevborgwith correct spelling, preferrably :)12:21
Levandersays, okay! i'm about to try it!!!12:21
Levanderuhoh, might be working!!! hold on!!!12:22
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Levanderwell, telneting into the localhost on that port doesn't kick me out anymore12:23
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rcchananybody wanna help a newb (me), with a screen resolution issue?12:23
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Levanderusing the mysql connector/odbc on my xp box to connect gives me different error, 'Access denied for root@'.  That's the IP of my XP box.12:24
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StoffBox-Steveseems it work :D12:25
haydeni just installed hoary and the cursors changed to default linux ones, how can i change them back to the default ubuntu ones12:27
LoevborgLevander, mysqld just has some decency.12:27
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LevanderLoevborg, decency?12:28
Loevborgor taste.12:28
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Levanderha, screw u man, this is taking me way to long!12:28
Levanderbut thanks for your help12:28
Levanderi'm gonna look for some docs in the ubuntu wiki, then give up for the day i think12:28
LoevborgLevander, sure. I know the feeling. I hate setting it up myself.12:29
LoevborgLevander, you can also look into the log.12:29
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Levanderidiots in the mysql channel pointed me to the mysql.com docs for grant, that page is like 4,000 words long.  Those guys really help a brother out!12:29
rcchanhas anyone had a need for 855resolution?12:31
johnnybezakif i upgrade all my packages to hoary, what happens with X?12:31
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BiteMeBilljohnnybezak: your X moves out but takes your dog with here though.12:33
BiteMeBillsorry couldn't resist.12:33
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johnnybezakBiteMeBill: lol12:35
johnnybezakno but seriously, will it copy my xfree config to wherever the x.org config is stored?12:35
BiteMeBilljohnnybezak: I'm not sure but I haven't heard anyone complain about losing it.12:36
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johnnybezakBiteMeBill: ok12:37
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RochaHello, just another question...12:37
dazedhey who knows about smb support to get on windows networking???12:37
BiteMeBillRocha: did that work?12:37
RochaHow can I configure my computer to connect to a vpn network?12:37
johnnybezakdazed: i know a little12:37
RochaBiteMeBill, nop, i asked my collegue to make the drawings with open office.12:37
ompaulRocha, the best software I found for that is OpenVPN12:37
dazedjohnny bezak can you help me out?12:38
johnnybezakdazed: i can give it a go :)12:38
Rochaompaul, ok, i'll try that12:38
Rochaompaul, i hope it's easy to configure, i'm in a hurry12:38
ompaulRocha, it should almost work out of the box - you need to let icmp into the network12:38
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dazedok well im on nix and im on my friends windows network i want to do some file sharing i goto networking click on enable windows networking and it says SMB support is not running12:38
ompaulit needs to keep the hidden channel alive and does so with a ping every 15 seconds as default behaviour12:39
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Yannick_anyone succeeded on installing grub on and S-ATA drive?12:39
ompaulRocha, it is not bad if you read the docs,  most important thing is to make sure you use the same version of the various ends12:40
Rochaompaul, i want to connect to my university, i need to upload some files to deliver a project i'm working on12:41
ompaulRocha, do they not accept ssh logins?12:42
haydeni just installed hoary and the cursors changed to default linux ones, how can i change them back to the default ubuntu ones12:42
johnnybezakdazed: have you got samba installed?12:43
ompaulRocha, then any machine on the network that accepts ssh connections will allow you run sftp or scp to log in and transfer files12:43
Rochaompaul, only inside our personal accounts, i'm not using my personal account, i'm using a computer inside the computer science department but not my personal account12:43
ompaulwell you need the same software on both ends for the VPN to work12:44
ompaulRocha, or email them all to yourself :)12:44
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harunLis there anyway of installing ubuntu on a laptop which is currently running windows but has its floppy and cdrom IO screwed up (can't read/write at all) ?12:45
Rochaompaul, i'll send the project by email to my teacher12:45
LoevborgharunL, maybe via usb stick?12:45
Rochaompaul, thanks anyway12:45
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delltonyRiddell, i have a question in kde how do you change the fonts? for instance like firefox the place where you type (address field) the text is small as crap12:46
Riddelldelltony: kcontrol12:47
Riddelldon't know if that effects firefox, shouldn't think so12:47
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hawke_Riddell: it doesn't..12:47
Ziggityconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check when ./configure monodevelop12:47
Ziggitywhats that mean12:47
hawke_delltony: Gnome preferences, font might do it...or it might be in firefox's preferences.12:48
hawke_or kcontrol if under kde possibly.12:48
Ziggityhow do I fix it//12:48
delltonyaww so under themes?12:49
Ziggitywhats that about... configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check12:49
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kentZiggity, do you have the package "build-essential" installed?12:50
plex0r_how do i add a ubuntu system to a windows netrwork12:50
scizzowow....never thought that cleaning up the ratnest of packages would be so boring.... :P12:50
plex0r_the only thing the nix system can do is log onto xchat..12:50
delltonycurious what font do you recommend?12:50
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Ziggitykent, I don12:50
sic|plex0r: samba12:50
haydeni just installed hoary and when i try to type hash (shift + 3) the english pound sign comes up, how can i fix that12:51
Ziggitykent, I dont know.. how do I check?12:51
ompaulhayden, you can do dpkg-reconfigure locale12:51
ggeeckois ubuntu stable to run a server12:51
ompaulhayden, sudo before that12:51
sic|plex0r: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=samba12:51
kentZiggity, do you know how to start synaptic from the menu? Start that program and search for a package named build-essential12:52
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haydenok ill try12:52
plex0rit might help if the network card is in too :p12:52
plex0rthis is for dazed12:52
hayden/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed12:52
sic|plex0r: its usually a good idea to check the wiki or google before asking here...some people get all bent out of shape if you don't research first...I personally don't care..but you know how it is12:53
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sic|of course that applies to any help12:53
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lamontphosphorgreen: /etc/postfix/master.cf smtpd entries need to be edited12:53
sic|ubuntu community is by far more helpful then anyone else though....very little I am too l33t to talk to you in here...in fact, I am yet to see that kind of attitude...these people rock12:54
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Ziggitykent.. found it.. installing it now..12:55
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Ziggitydoes anyone here use Monodevelop?12:56
Mitariohmm, if an app that uses an open API (XML RPC) that is released under the LGPL, can I release the app I write under the GPL then? or should I also use the LGPL12:57
haydenompaul, do u know why it said this-> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed12:57
Ziggityok.. now this error... configure: error: Library requirements (gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.012:58
Ziggity) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your l ibraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. HELP!!12:58
ompaulhayden, because at the time I suggested it my brain was fried hang on a sec12:58
Ziggityhow do I adjust that??12:58
haydenompaul, lol ok12:58
Quaruptwhats a good book for linux beginners12:59
Quaruptmaybe a pdf or a ebook i can get?12:59
Quaruptmaybe rute12:59
ompaulQuarupt, any online resource like the ubuntu site or the www.tldp.org12:59
Ziggityhow Do I setup my ubuntu as an Email or webserver??01:00
Ziggityis there any guide??01:00
Quaruptno like i said i want something i can use offline, like an ebook or a pdf01:01
WebMaven_Quarupt: what *kind* of beginner?01:01
techn9neummm theres too much to know for a "guide"01:01
techn9nethe simple stuff is on ubuntuguide01:01
techn9nethe rest you gotta search for as you need it01:01
WebMaven_Quarupt: beginning developer? Beginning User?01:01
techn9neare you looking for a tutorial for command line stuff?01:01
techn9nelike what do you want to do?01:01
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techn9nehttp://www.linuxcommand.org/ ... if you want command line 10101:02
kentZiggity, libgnomevfs2-dev   install that package  and see if it works.01:02
Ziggitywhere can I learn the inners of networking. so that I can setup my ubuntu in a Windows network to share printer and act as a firewall, mail server and possiblly (another machine) as a webserver01:02
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Quaruptbeginning user01:02
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Ziggitykent : thanx - -doing that now01:02
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StoffBox-Steve2nd screen goes blank when enter X01:02
techn9neZiggity: ummm find a guide on samba, iptables, apache01:02
andeejedoes anyone know why I cant run teamspeak or a music player and ET at the same time ?01:02
kentZiggity, for information about setting up a server to share files with windows computers, search for samba  on the ubuntu homepage.01:03
ompaulhayden, sorry my brain is really fried why it happened I can't figure out01:03
Ziggitysamba.. ok--01:03
techn9neZiggity: firewalls shouldnt do anything but be a firewall01:03
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techn9neif you have a dedicated system smoothwall is good01:03
ompaulhayden, have a look at what is in /etc/locale.gen and tell me (and the channel) then tell me what country you want it to be for01:03
Xenguy_Ziggity: shorewall (firewall) is a good implementation of iptables BTW, and also handles NAT/ipmasq01:03
haydenhmm thats ok ompaul, do u know a website where i could maybe find out for myself01:03
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haydenen_AU ISO-8859-101:04
haydenen_AU.UTF-8 UTF-801:04
Xenguy_techn9ne: that makes no sense, and shorewall proves you wrong :-)01:04
uMkulurumour has it Australia is the place to be01:04
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johnnybezakdon't believe everything you hear :)01:04
delltonyok this is strange i thought i was doing it right i went to the kcontrol panel after installing lipstick theme and i went to style and selected lipstick and hit apply but i see no changes what am i doing wrong :(01:05
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ZiggityXenguy_, whats NAT??01:05
boogiealligators and lions01:05
XenguyZiggity: network address translation01:05
eleazarhi there, i just installed Ubuntu. but it never asked me to set my root password, now how do i set it?01:05
techn9neok ill try shorewall01:05
XenguyZiggity: basically similar to ipmasq01:05
techn9nei think that firewalls should be a single computer doing nothing but that01:05
plex0rthis is dazed01:06
Xenguytechn9ne: the author is a firewall professional IIRC (and FWIW :-)01:06
ompaulhayden, that does not look right :)01:06
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Xenguytechn9ne: I guess a dedicated firewall box (or router) is best practice, but not all of us can afford that (or bother doing things right ;-)01:07
techn9newell i use a p13301:07
techn9necost me $15 on ebay01:07
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ZiggityOK.. now I got a problem. the MonoDevelop is comaplaining about blah..blah.. gnome-sharp but I can't find it with synamptic!!01:07
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andeejedoes anyone know why I cant run teamspeak or a music player and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory at the same time ? ET just freezes01:08
johnnybezakplex0r: yep01:08
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johnnybezakandeeje: sounds like a sound problem :P01:08
plex0rjohnnybezak: im trying to net the 2 comps right...and now my nix comp cant even use the internet connection01:08
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plex0ri cant get on xchat or google or gaim or nothing01:09
XenguyZiggity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation01:09
johnnybezakplex0r: lol going from bad to worse01:09
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andeejejohnnybezak: thats what I thought but cant seem to fix it01:09
NeoCicakplex0r: are you connected to the network?01:09
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kenthmm,  the trash applet is kind of stupid some times. I tried the gnome svg theme found on gnome-look.org,  and those icons are a bit larger than the default and trash applet gets hidden behind the icon so i cant see if the applet is ready to swallow the file or not, some times the file gets added to the panel instead, since i missed the trash :(  And, those icons are not *that* big, so i think its an issue with the trashcan. It should let me know if its ready t01:09
kento eat files :(01:09
NeoCicakplex0r: can you ping other computers?01:09
zabulusif gnome starts, gaim starts 2 times :s (two windows) how do i put that off?01:09
johnnybezakplex0r: can you ping websites01:09
delltonydo you have to restart kde for styles to take effect?01:09
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plex0rneocrak...how do i ping?01:09
plex0r\<<--- new to nix01:10
johnnybezakman ping hehe01:10
NeoCicakplex0r: ping <ip address>01:10
techn9neplex0r: ummm type ping01:10
johnnybezakno just type ping -c 5 addresstobepinged01:10
Riddelldelltony: it may only apply to newly started applications01:10
NeoCicakplex0r: quick thought.. maybe your dns is wrong01:10
Xenguyplex0r: ping <ipAddressGoesHere>01:10
johnnybezak(without the -c switch it won't work)01:10
kentzabulus, close one of them, and then save the session (logout and click on save session)  (have no other programs running that you dont want to run next time.. )01:10
johnnybezakthats wrong01:10
Xenguyplex0r: on the command line01:10
delltony its suppose to be for the panel01:10
johnnybezakit will work it will just keep going indefinetly01:10
plex0ri can ping the network01:10
zabulusah k thx kent!01:10
delltonyaccording to kdelook.org01:10
NeoCicakplex0r: then chances is that your gateway & dns are wrong01:11
johnnybezakcan you ping google or something like that01:11
delltonyits suppose to make the panel different but anyway :(01:11
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Quest-MasterAnybody here use C# and Mono?01:11
delltonyRiddell, this is what i'm shooting for http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=1822301:12
xshuiI've played with it a TINY bit01:12
plex0rit says 'from <ip> icmp_seq=(upward counting numbers) Destination Host Unrechable...is what its saying after i pinged01:12
techn9nei tried and got frusturated w/ it and went back to windows01:12
NeoCicakplex0r: then you can't ping. it's unsuccessful01:12
xshuitechn9ne: what'd you get frustrated with?01:12
NeoCicakplex0r: maybe your ip address & subnet mask are wrong?01:12
techn9nei had to develop a C# app for someone01:12
techn9neso i went back to just doing it on windows01:12
xshuino, but I mean why was it frustrating?01:12
techn9nei couldnt make it work01:13
techn9newent to compile just sat there01:13
Quest-MasterI can't stand Windows at all anymore01:13
plex0rhow do i change the subnet?01:13
plex0ror edit or look for that matter01:13
plex0rsorry for being uber newbish01:13
johnnybezakplex0r: don't worry about it01:13
NeoCicakplex0r:  go to system -> administration -> network01:13
johnnybezaknetwork problems are a pain in the arse01:13
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techn9nei had windows.... only time i use it is to develop .net stuff and msn messenger01:14
techn9nehate windows01:14
NeoCicakplex0r: (if you are using hoary) :P ... try to find something similar up there in the manu01:14
NeoCicakplex0r: menu01:14
Quest-Masterdelltony: That Lipstik theme is sexy.01:14
xshuiyeah, I try to avoid windows if I can...01:14
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xshuibut I have use it for work01:14
xshuigotta eat01:14
zabulusk thx kent it works!01:14
NeoCicakplex0r: we all started as newbie :)01:14
johnnybezaktechn9ne: you can use linux for both of those things anyway :)01:15
delltonyyeah if i could use it01:15
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techn9nejohnnybezak: you cant use webcam w/ gaim01:15
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techn9nejohnnybezak: you cant test .net apps with windows w/o windows01:15
delltonyi can't figure out how to get it to work i dpkg -i'd the deb file01:15
delltonyand its there in styles01:16
plex0rdo i need a gateway address?01:16
delltonybut it doesn't change01:16
plex0rim configing manually01:16
johnnybezakplex0r: nope01:16
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Quest-Masterdelltony: Ask in #kubuntu?01:16
johnnybezakunless you have a couple of subnets01:16
plex0rnothing is happening still01:16
johnnybezaktechn9ne: fair enough :)01:16
plex0rwe activated metbios on firewall01:16
NeoCicakplex0r: can you ping other computers now?01:16
NeoCicakplex0r: umm..... that's beyond my expertise...01:17
plex0rno i cannot01:17
Ziggitywhat happens if I can't find a package   with synamptic!!01:17
Quest-Masterdelltony: Try compiling it?01:17
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NeoCicakplex0r: what if you type ifconfig?01:17
delltonyi'm running it on hoary and its great01:17
techn9nepersonally i hate .net i feel j2ee to be superior but i dont get to make descisions all the time01:17
delltonyi just need to learn it ;)01:17
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techn9nei love java01:18
NeoCicakplex0r: you are connected on local network to connect to internet, right? (using router or similar thing)01:18
techn9neyou dont like programming it ??01:18
Quest-MasterNot at all.01:18
Quest-MasterPython is the greatest programming/scripting language ever. ;d01:18
techn9nei always felt that the tools and community was awesome01:18
techn9neeclipse, ant01:18
plex0ryeah we got a router01:18
Quest-MasterJava eats way too much memory.01:18
plex0rive made all port exceptions etc. i need to01:18
Quest-MasterI mean, have you tried Azureus?01:19
NeoCicakplex0r: type ifconfig on command line.. see if your network card & ip configuration there are correct01:19
Quest-MasterIt uses 1-3GB of memory most of the time01:19
techn9neits not a native program01:19
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Quest-MasterNeither is Python01:19
techn9nepython doesnt do what java can do01:19
techn9neyou're comparing apples to oranges01:19
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ZiggityQuest-Master, What can you do with Python.? can you write desktop applications>?01:19
Quest-MasterUh, yes you can.01:19
Quest-MasterEver heard of wxPython or PyGTK?01:19
plex0ryeah tis all correct01:19
Ziggitydo you have examples of 'commercial' stuff done with it?01:20
plex0ri dont think samba is set up01:20
Quest-MasterGoogle? ;)01:20
ompaulZiggity, zope and friends01:20
brandon_niemczyksince when did commercial stuff matter anyways?01:20
johnnybezakplex0r: is it installed?01:20
NeoCicakplex0r: umm. samba does not have to do with being able to connect to the network... it's only for the linux & windows connectivity01:20
Quest-MasterZope as well.01:20
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brandon_niemczykespecially in a Linux channel01:20
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plex0rthis is connecting to a windows lan lol01:20
Quest-Masterbrandon_niemczyk: I guess Ziggity cares about it. :P01:20
Quest-MasterPython is pure open-source anyhow.01:20
Quest-MasterMost Linux users prefer it over Java.01:21
brandon_niemczykyea, i know python is01:21
NeoCicakplex0r: but you can't even ping to other computers.. samba doesn't have to do with that.. i reckon01:21
Ziggitysorry-- I'm from a win background and can't figure out how people on who develop from a linux platform make a living??01:21
techn9neummmm im not gonna argue.... python is good java is good01:21
techn9nebut for diff. things01:21
brandon_niemczyki personally hate python, but i have respect for the philosiphy behind it01:21
Quest-MasterPlus, it's development time is much, much shorter than that of Java's.01:21
ZiggityQuest-Master, I try and make a living from software development.01:21
Quest-MasterI know no one who has fully tried Python and hated it.01:21
techn9nepython you can make cross platform apps01:21
brandon_niemczykQuest-Master: meet brandon01:21
brandon_niemczykbrandon_niemczyk: meet Quest-Master01:22
plex0ri get aerros when trying to install saba01:22
brandon_niemczykQuest-Master: now you do ;)01:22
XenguyZiggity: there is room for both free and proprietary software me thinks01:22
plex0rdpkg error01:22
plex0rerroor trying to write01:22
Quest-MasterZiggity: You can still make a living from using free software.01:22
XenguyZiggity: and yes, what Quest-Master said01:22
Quest-MasterZiggity: Lots of companies require coders who are on-call and can code custom software for their needs.01:23
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Quest-MasterZiggity: Many of these companies could possibly require you to use Python and/or run on Linux.01:23
ZiggityXenguy, : but If wanted to open a startup developing bespoke software for others ( businesses ) -- whats the business model?01:23
Quest-MasterZiggity: Like Google. ;)01:23
XenguyQuest-Master: much of our departments systems are coded in-house01:23
techn9neppl should use whatever fits their need best01:23
Quest-MasterXenguy: Exactly. You see my point. :)01:23
techn9nejava, python, c++, .net01:23
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techn9nediff ppl/organizations have diff. requirements01:23
NeoCicakplex0r: hmm.... wait... not being able to ping to other computers does not necessarily mean your computer is not connected to the network.. i remember that i can't ping to my win xp computer coz it has some weird configuration that comes with it when i bought the computer01:24
NeoCicakplex0r: do you have non-windows machine?01:24
XenguyZiggity: the business model is definitely changing -- people are *not* going to pay for all software anymore.  Those days are gone IMO01:24
techn9nethe one shoe fits all is the microsoft way01:24
ZiggityQuest-Master, : could you explain the  Like Google?01:24
NeoCicakplex0r: or have you tried pinging www.yahoo.com or something like that?01:24
plex0rim stting next to two windows laptopos01:24
plex0rand a nix machine01:24
NeoCicakis that nix machine connected to network?01:25
ZiggityXenguy, Then how does one make money from it.. By money I mean a profitable business.01:25
plex0ron router it says its on01:25
plex0rbut 'inactive'01:25
plex0rits assigned ip and subnet01:25
Ziggityback in a minute01:25
NeoCicakcan you connect to internet using that nix machine?01:25
plex0rit says 'ping: unknown host www.google.com'01:25
plex0rno i cannot01:25
XenguyZiggity: you need to seek a niche, a specialized software product where there is no free software that can do the same job...01:26
kentZiggity, you can probably make monny doing support,  /me thinks..01:26
brandon_niemczykZiggity: your buisness model depends on your capabilities and what you can do01:26
NeoCicakyou are familiar with ip addressing, yes?01:26
XenguyZiggity: at the same time, you look to providing programming *service*, instead of just trying to sell/clone your code for profit01:26
brandon_niemczykunfortunatly your right that an OSS solution is not _always_ going to be profitable, but there are many many places where it is01:26
NeoCicaktell me the ip address of the computer you are using now & one other windows machine that's connected to internet01:26
brandon_niemczykif you use a little ingenuity01:26
plex0rip adress of this windows ysstem01:27
plex0rip address of nix01:27
XenguyZiggity: but honestly I don't really think there is a problem because free software gives everyone (including you :-) the tools to program stuff for people who will pay you to do it...01:27
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NeoCicakhmm should be ok....01:27
brandon_niemczykplex0r: and can you ping the unix box by ip address?01:27
plex0rno i cannot01:27
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brandon_niemczykplex0r: are you pinging FROM windows or linux?01:28
plex0ri did both01:28
plex0rboth do not work01:28
NeoCicakis the cable connected ?? sounds like dumb question.. but believe me, this happens sometimes01:28
XenguyZiggity: I am a firm supporter of free software BTW -- people should not have to be ripped off by some foreign (to me) wannabee monopoly corporation just to check their email ;-)01:28
kenthaha, after some seconds i even managed to see the Ubuntu logo on the March ubuntu wallpaper ;)01:28
NeoCicakis the cable working01:28
plex0rthe cable is working01:28
brandon_niemczykplex0r: rafb.net/paste the output of 'ipconfig /all' on the windows box, and 'ifconfig' on the nix box01:28
NeoCicakdoes it have any problem? cable defects.. etc01:28
tgaXenguy: would you rather be robbed by a domestic monopoly?01:28
plex0ru want me to ipconfig01:29
plex0rand release on windows?01:29
plex0rand then ifconfig on nix01:29
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brandon_niemczykplex0r: not release... just post the output of 'ipconfig /all' in a DOS prompt, and ifconfig on nix, but nopaste it, don't flood here01:29
Xenguytga: do you think that is my point? =)01:29
plex0rhow can i paste from nix sysmtem01:30
plex0rwhen the nix system isnt online01:30
tgaI'm not sure what your point is01:30
BiteMeBillplex0r: I don't mean to but in but is the information close to the same between ipconfig and ifconfig?01:30
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johnnybezakplex0r: hehehe01:30
brandon_niemczykplex0r: good point ;P01:30
tgaplex0r: 1. turn nix system on 2. copy 3. ??? 4. paste01:30
brandon_niemczyksorry :(01:30
Xenguytga: re-read what I typed -- it was very clear :-)01:30
plex0rnot on internet01:30
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plex0ror network tga01:30
johnnybezak5: Profit!01:30
brandon_niemczykplex0r: what does ifconfig say your ip and subnet is in linux?01:30
plex0rthe subnets need to be the same>01:30
brandon_niemczykand what about 'route' ?01:31
plex0rip is
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plex0rany windows subnet =
brandon_niemczykare you sure that shouldn't be
NeoCicaktry using same subnet01:31
brandon_niemczykuse the same subnet01:31
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plex0rdazed says he thinks we were on the same subnet01:32
plex0rbut i dont think i do01:32
NeoCicakchange to
uMkuluNeoCicak: that doesn't look right01:32
NeoCicakfor all01:32
brandon_niemczykplex0r: if one is and the other is, you are NOT on the same subnet01:32
NeoCicakuMkulu: what doesn't look right??01:32
uMkuluno idea, neocicak01:32
brandon_niemczykyou need to set the nix box to
NeoCicakumkulu: hmm... which one of my post are you replying to??01:33
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uMkuluno idea, neocicak01:33
brandon_niemczykplex0r: do you have a router or something that your using for connection sharing?01:33
Ziggityok. back01:33
BiteMeBillNeoCicak: uMkulu is a bot from what I was told.01:33
plex0ryeah i already got computers saharing internet01:33
NeoCicakthx bitemebill01:33
brandon_niemczykplex0r: cause if your using a static ip for your nix box, you need to set the default route to01:33
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, which instinces is it profitable01:33
brandon_niemczykfirst fix the subnet though01:33
brandon_niemczykZiggity: when your writing custom software for a client for instance01:34
BiteMeBillit got me earlier with same comments.01:34
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brandon_niemczykyou retain the (C), and then release it at a later date under the GPL01:34
NeoCicakok ok...01:34
brandon_niemczykor at least parts of it01:34
Quaruptsomone build me a working gaim-vv and i will give them 200 Gmail invites01:34
brandon_niemczykand wala, you didn't lose any money01:34
brandon_niemczykand contributed back to the community that gives you so many good tools01:34
NeoCicakplex0r: so everything is ok now?01:34
plex0ri dont know01:35
plex0rresetting nix system01:35
NeoCicakoh ok..01:35
brandon_niemczykyou don't need to reboot01:35
brandon_niemczykthis isn't windows ;)01:35
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plex0rdazed thinks lan card wasdnt in01:35
plex0rwe're on01:35
dazed_its up01:35
NeoCicakhmmm.. as far as i remember. you don't need to reboot on windows too if you r just changing the ip address :)01:35
dazed_it worked at first01:36
brandon_niemczykNeoCicak: probably true, but oh well :)01:36
dazed_then my lan card came unplugged it stopped01:36
dazed_i rebooted01:36
dazed_it works01:36
neighborleethere is new nvidia but its not in ubuntu yet..I tried to contact maintainer from his email address ( as noted in app > properties) from synatpic but its bouncing back..who should I contact ?01:36
NeoCicaki think daniels have lots of thing to do with graphics in ubuntu... i might be wrong01:37
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, But isn't that doing the client down??01:37
plex0rthanks guys01:37
brandon_niemczykZiggity: not in the least01:38
NeoCicakno problemo01:38
brandon_niemczykif you own the copyright, what you do with it at a later date is none of their concern01:38
brandon_niemczyki mean, i wouldn't do it 3 days later or anything01:38
brandon_niemczykwait a couple months01:38
Ziggitybtw did anyone successfull install MonoDevelop on Ubuntu Warty???01:38
brandon_niemczykZiggity: another place where OSS can be profitable is in libraries that you release under the GPL, and then offer commercial licenses for seperatly01:38
dazed_i just unpackaged the sambaclient01:38
dazed_how do i use it?01:38
brandon_niemczykbut you have to be careful with that01:38
brandon_niemczykyou cannot accept patches for it01:39
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Quarupthow well is alien supported with Ubuntu01:39
brandon_niemczykbecause those people providing them will expect the code to be GPL'd01:39
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Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, You taking a clients idea -- developing a solution for him/her -- then when paid releasing to oss??01:39
dazed_...once i unpackage sambaclient but i can run it in terminal via 'sambaclient'01:39
lupusBEnew drivers?01:39
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, how do you mean commercial lic for seperatly??01:39
brandon_niemczykZiggity: eh... like MySQL does01:40
lupusBE6629 is in hoary01:40
brandon_niemczykyou can get MySQL under the GPL, but if you don't want it under the GPL then you have to pay $$$01:40
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lupusBEisn't that the latest?01:40
brandon_niemczykZiggity: and 99% of clients couldn't care less what you do with the code afterwards as long as they have a working solution ;)01:40
brandon_niemczyktrust me, i know01:41
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, so why would someone want to pay $$$ for something they can get for free!01:41
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, what do you do??01:41
brandon_niemczykZiggity: i own a custom programming buisness ;)01:41
dazed_...once i unpackage sambaclient but i can run it in terminal via 'sambaclient'01:42
brandon_niemczykZiggity: and yes, it is profitable01:42
StoffBox-SteveZiggity, thats easy .. why buy think you dont need ? ... we all what money to life :D01:42
brandon_niemczykZiggity: and no my clients do not hate me01:42
Ziggityhummm.,,, could you offer business advice to someone ( me :) ) looking to follow in your footsteps?01:42
brandon_niemczykin fact i'm quite good with my clients01:42
brandon_niemczykZiggity: heh, just write decent code for clients, and it will all come together01:43
brandon_niemczykthere is plenty of room for supporting OSS if you want to (as i do)01:43
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, what technologies.. and how did you decide on them>?01:43
brandon_niemczykuh... what do you mean?01:44
brandon_niemczykZiggity: it depends on the client and what they need01:44
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Ziggitydo you have a prefered prog. language.??01:44
brandon_niemczykyea, whatever works for the job01:44
brandon_niemczykbut, i am most comfortable with C01:44
brandon_niemczykand what you are comfortable with _does_ mean something01:45
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brandon_niemczykfor instance, i don't like python because the "block code by spacing" kills me01:45
brandon_niemczyka lot of (shitty) email clients will replace tabs with spaces for instance01:46
brandon_niemczykso it makes passing patches around a bitch01:46
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Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, do u use Open source 'stuff'01:46
brandon_niemczykZiggity: almost exclusivly01:46
Ziggityas a side Item... ANYone.. what happens if Synaptic can't find a package???01:47
brandon_niemczyki own a license to VS.NET and VB6, but almost never actually use them01:47
Ziggityhmmm vb6.,, there where I'm from..01:47
brandon_niemczykZiggity: there is no compiler suite better then gcc01:47
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speellol vb .. people actually baught that crap?01:47
brandon_niemczykgcc+libtool+automake+(cygwin on windows and mingw) == perfect01:48
ZiggityI've moved to c# and a little java01:48
ZiggityI'm hoping to get the c01:48
brandon_niemczykspeel: nothing beats it's RAD capabilities, unfortunatly it's doze only so it's still useless ;)01:48
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Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk,  True its RAD is great, unfortunitly it spoils you as a developer and moving to other langs become more of a learning curve,,01:49
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Ziggityyou kinda go.. WHAT!! 20 lines of code to make a window!!01:50
brandon_niemczykZiggity: well, i'm just now learning VB, until recently i've had almost exclusivly unix (mostly solaris and linux) work01:50
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Ziggitylet me know if you need any help :->01:50
Ziggityis that vb6 or vb.net?? and may I ask why your learning it?01:51
Ziggityok.. how do I include Hoary into my warty syanptic??01:51
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speelZiggity: the packages are most likley unstable01:52
brandon_niemczykZiggity: i'm learning it because i'm maintaining some code i didn't write for a client01:53
Ziggityspeel, but what else can I do -=-- I can't seem to install MonoDevelop on Warty01:53
brandon_niemczykand it's vb601:53
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Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk maybe I can subcontract that off you :))01:54
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Quaruptif i alien an file.rpm -r  where does the deb save to?01:54
brandon_niemczykZiggity: hehe, no01:54
LinuxJonesZiggity, why would you want to install mono ?01:54
brandon_niemczyksorry :)01:54
brandon_niemczyki need the money01:54
brandon_niemczykas usual01:54
Ziggitysee that's why your clients like you... you honest01:55
ZiggityLinuxJones, cos I want to develop in c01:55
brandon_niemczykthe only thing i hire out atm is graphics work for websites01:55
ZiggityLinuxJones, cos I want to develop in c# !01:55
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brandon_niemczykbecause i'm "visually challenged" :)01:56
brandon_niemczykso if i don't hire out the gfx work, the site looks like shit01:56
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, hee;01:56
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Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, what happens when Synaptic cant find a package???01:57
brandon_niemczyki don't use synaptic01:57
brandon_niemczykso ask someone else ;)01:57
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, What lang do you do the sites in?01:57
brandon_niemczykapt-cache and apt-get are good enough for me01:57
brandon_niemczykZiggity: usually php/mysql01:58
brandon_niemczykbut i've done some jsp stuff to01:58
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, so what happens if apt-... don't find it?01:58
brandon_niemczykthen you find a sources entry that has it, or you install it by compiling01:58
brandon_niemczykdo you have the universal stuff uncommented in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?01:59
Ziggityboooohoooo.. you were not paying attention.. I'm from VB (windows) land...01:59
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LinuxJonesZiggity, why not develop in windows ?02:00
brandon_niemczykZiggity: yea... vmware does wonders02:00
brandon_niemczykZiggity: and i've attempted to use monodevelop on debian, and... it's buggy as hell02:00
Quaruptanyone use ALIEN?02:00
brandon_niemczykQuarupt: on debian i have02:00
ZiggityLinuxJones, cos I WANT to change os platforms02:00
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, vmware?? - whats that02:01
Quaruptim trying to get a deb from a RPM it ran okay, I did alien -r ./file.rpm02:01
Quaruptthen it gave me another promy02:01
Quaruptbut i dont see a deb anywhere02:01
LinuxJonesZiggity, mono is a big rat trap waiting to snap as far as I am concerned02:01
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brandon_niemczykZiggity: i think your going to find mono lacking if you are used to .NET on M$, your better off switching to tools that are well supported on non-M$ platforms02:02
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BitShifterhi i'm trying to install my wireless networking02:02
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BitShifteri need to use the ndiswrapper02:02
BitShifterhow do i install this?02:02
ZiggityLinuxJones, what would you suggest?02:02
BitShifterapt-get install ndiswrapper complains about package not being found/02:02
brandon_niemczykZiggity: vmware isn't free (as in freedom) but you can get a monthly trial for it, and with it you can run windows inside linux02:02
BitShifterinfact, i can't even apt-get anything02:03
BitShifterit can't find any packages at all02:03
BitShifternot even the kernel sources02:03
brandon_niemczykZiggity: C02:03
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, what tools02:03
brandon_niemczykZiggity: gcc and friends for one02:03
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LinuxJonesZiggity, switch to python or stick with C (++) :D02:04
Ziggityok... but coming from vb and c# on windows I need an IDE.. with code complete ( I'm a whimp )02:04
brandon_niemczykboth emacs and vim have code completion02:04
brandon_niemczykyou just need to learn the keys to do it ;)02:04
brandon_niemczykthere are several IDE's available on linux02:04
brandon_niemczykbut i don't use them, so i can't give you any suggestions02:05
usualwhat could a possible reason for a laggy desktop be in ubuntu hoary?02:05
LinuxJonesZiggity, if you really want to develop with c# you can put up with windows shortcomings :)02:05
QuaruptISnt alien supposed to create a deb?02:05
Quarupti cant find anything after i ran it on the rpm02:05
usualQuarupt, don't bother with alien02:06
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usualQuarupt, build a deb if anything02:06
brandon_niemczykQuarupt: how did you run it again?02:06
ZiggityLinuxJones, could you suggest an IDE for c/c++ on  linux?02:06
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usuali think02:06
brandon_niemczykQuarupt: you said you did 'alien -r some.rpm', that == wrong... -r means to rpm02:06
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Quaruptalien -r file.rpm02:06
Quaruptlike it said on the article02:06
brandon_niemczykQuarupt: read my above statement02:06
usualQuarupt, what are you trying to get a deb of?02:06
Ziggityback in a minute .. i gotta put the washing on..02:06
Quaruptman if i could build a deb i could probably just compile this stupid program02:07
brandon_niemczykQuarupt: try losing the -r, or better yet, switching it to -d02:07
joeblow1234Quarupt: the easiest way to do it is like this    alien --to-deb filename.rpm02:07
brandon_niemczyk-d and --to-deb are the same thing02:07
Quaruptwell its doing something with no verbose02:07
Quaruptits a rpm for gaim-vv i fond02:08
LinuxJonesZiggity, although I don't really like kde anymore kdevelop has won tons of awards for dev tools. There is also glade/anjuta.02:08
usualZiggity, http://www.anjuta.org/anjuta.php?page=screenshots02:08
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usualwhat is that02:08
Quaruptcause it was really hard to build02:08
Quaruptumm check SF02:08
joeblow1234usual: it is a fork of gaim that supports video and audio chat better02:09
Quaruptanyways to install a deb manually i just typr dpkg -install ./package.de?02:09
Xirdnehhi there, i have just install gaim 1.1.4, but i uninstalled the old gaim and now the icon of gaim in Aplications>Internet is gone, i made a locate gaim and it say gaim is under /usr/lib but i cant find it to add ti, any ideas?02:09
usualjoeblow1234, for use with like yahoo? or just it's own02:09
joeblow1234Quarupt: nope, dpkg -i package.deb02:09
Quaruptor dpkg -i pack.deb?02:09
joeblow1234usual: i think it is for all the protocols supported by gaim (msn, aim, yahoo, etc.)02:09
joeblow1234usual: gaim-vv.sourceforge.net02:10
Quaruptholy crap it worked02:10
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ZiggityLinuxJones, I'm waiting for anjuta 202:10
Quaruptlets see if it will actually start02:10
virtualdbitlebee is the shit02:10
ivohello guys02:10
usualgaim-vv debs02:10
ivowhop can help me with an error02:10
Quaruptthey dont work02:11
ivowhop can help me with an error02:11
joeblow1234Quarupt: I've converted the RPM packages for Limewire before and they work normally. I had to do this cause Limewire quit shipping that nice Java installer they had02:11
usualQuarupt, did you see what I posted02:11
tgalo Quarupt, how's it going?02:11
ivowhop can help me with an error02:12
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ivowho can help me with an error02:12
usualgaim-vv_0.79.3-0_i386.deb               21-Jan-2005 14:29   3.0M02:12
tgaivo: Bad command or file name02:12
scizzogood night02:12
Quarupti tried allready not for Ubuntugood tga02:12
ivowho can help me with an error, when I try to un install openssh-server with apt-get02:12
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ivo/etc/init.d/ssh: line 49: log_begin_msg: command not found02:12
ivoinvoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "stop" failed.02:12
ivodpkg: error processing openssh-server (--remove):02:12
ivo subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 12702:12
ivoE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:13
andy__g'day, was wondering if anyone here had a thinkpad t21 or close model... and has the mouse working the same way as windows02:13
joeblow1234andy__: what is the mouse not doing?02:14
Ziggityandy__, I gots a laptop with NO double click on the pad ..02:14
andy__whoops, sorry, not mouse, 'nipple' ... inbuilt thing02:14
ivowho can help me with an error, when I try to un install openssh-server with apt-get02:14
joeblow1234andy__: well what is it doing differently than windows?02:14
ivo/etc/init.d/ssh: line 49: log_begin_msg: command not found02:15
andy__in windows, you hold onto a third button, then move the mouse up and down to scroll02:15
ivoinvoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "stop" failed.02:15
ivodpkg: error processing openssh-server (--remove):02:15
ivo subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 12702:15
ivoE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:15
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joeblow1234andy__: have you tried google? it is the best when u have a hardware specific question02:15
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kentis there some problems with gnome-cd in Hoary? it seems to not want to play CDs if I start it manually :(  The device is detected correctly in the preferences for gnome-cd, it just says something about bad device when i start it.02:15
QuaruptOkay so the deb generated by the rpm worked okay, but i cant fine the bin??? did it just iverwrite my current gaim?02:16
andy__have been hunting google since i installed about a fortnight ago02:16
usualIs there a known issue with xorg in hoary? I have a laggy desktop....I don't get it02:16
joeblow1234Quarupt: use the command updatedb and then locate gaim-vv02:16
andy__today i found this, but i dont know what to do with it, or if it'll work:  http://stephen.evanchik.com/index.cgi/index.html02:16
andy__says its for linux02:17
joeblow1234ubuntu uses the 2.6.8 kernel, not 2.6.10 or 2.6.1102:17
joeblow1234unless ur on hoary, not sure which one that uses02:17
usualbut 11 is on the way02:18
andy__oh, bugger02:18
joeblow1234usual: is going to be the last? on lwn.net it said that was released as a security and bug fix02:18
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Quaruptjoeblow1234, it didnt find and bins :()02:19
usualjoeblow1234, 2.6.11 includes some breakthrough changes I read02:19
joeblow1234i just checked www.linuxhq.com and it doesnt include
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usual"Highlights include Infiniband support, four level page tables, in-node extended attributes for better samba performance, new pipe implementation , reduced latency and big kernel semaphore among several other minor changes."02:21
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usualI wish someone could help me with my laggy desktop02:22
Yobuii need to know how do I configure KDE as a default desktop manager02:22
joeblow1234usual: what r ur specs?02:22
Yobuii already downloaded it and installed it02:22
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joeblow1234Yobui: is it listed under sessions in gdm?02:22
Quaruptjoeblow1234, howcome it didnt find any bins?02:22
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usualjoeblow1234, it's not a hardware issue, it's just recently, no other dists do it, even ubuntu warty02:22
RiddellYobui: which package did you install?02:23
joeblow1234Quarupt: maybe it didnt convert properly. you can install rpm from synaptic. try installing the rpm itself and see what happens02:23
Ziggityusual what version you on?02:23
Yobuihow can i check that? (i killed the server and run it using startx from a console so i don't see the gdm)02:23
usualZiggity, hoary02:23
Quaruptyou can install rpm from synaptic?02:23
Yobuii did apt-get install kde02:23
Yobuii have universe02:23
usualwhy on god's green earth would you install rpm's in ubuntu02:23
joeblow1234Quarupt: apt-get install rpm02:23
Yobuishould i restart and check the gdm?02:23
tinamooi upgraded my graphic card to geforce 6800 and installed a fresh ubuntu, but the x server crashes no matter what i do. any suggestion?02:23
joeblow1234and then you will have the rpm command available02:23
Yobuior can i start gdm without restarting02:24
scorpixZiggity: gdm is for login, and you are already login02:24
joeblow1234Quarupt: i meant u could install the rpm package manager through synaptic02:24
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Ziggityscorpix, Huh!!!... what are you talking about02:24
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joeblow1234usual: to check and see if it works better than the converted deb02:24
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Quaruptit was allready installed02:24
Quarupthow to use it?02:24
usualjoeblow1234, he should build his own deb or just install it from source02:25
usualuse the debs i pointed him to02:25
usualthey should work02:25
scorpixs/ Ziggity / Yobui  :)02:25
joeblow1234Quarupt: rpm -Uvh package.rpm02:25
Quaruptrpm -i pack.rpm?02:25
Ziggityusual, I had issues with hoary.. things like no drag on the title bar and yes.. a LOT slower than warty02:25
Yobuithat's the problem...02:25
Yobuii should restart io guess then02:25
ZiggityI thinks there still lots of debug code in there/02:25
usualZiggity, it's weird, after certain upgrades ...i don't get it02:25
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Quaruptit says02:26
Quaruptrpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.02:26
Quarupterror: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)02:26
Quarupterror: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm02:26
Yobuii did an upgrade to hoary and quickly gone back to warty :)02:26
usualQuarupt, did you try the debs I pointed you too??02:26
Quaruptguess im goin in circles?02:26
Quaruptusual ya02:26
joeblow1234usual: if im not mistaken hoary is still in beta02:26
Ziggityusual, did you narrow which upgrades?02:26
usualQuarupt, what happened02:26
Quarupti tried em again02:26
Quaruptthere broken02:26
Quarupterrors after about 2mili seconds02:26
usualwhat errors02:26
joeblow1234Quarupt: weird, i thought u could install rpms with the rpm command. (I've never had to try...the only rpm i have is limewire, which converts fine with alien)02:27
Quarupti dunno02:27
usualjoeblow1234, yeah it's not stable yet02:27
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ZiggityI think its still very stable and I think its only slated for release round sep/oct 200502:27
usualZiggity, nah, too much to pay attentiont oo02:27
joeblow1234usual: i meant to say alpha02:27
Quaruptalien made a deb, and the deb reported that it installed okay02:27
usualZiggity, yeah 6 month release cycle i think02:27
joeblow1234usual: as in not to be used if u need a stable desktop02:27
usualjoeblow1234, I don't need a stable desktop, but this lag is annoying02:27
YobuiZiggity: yeah, it doesn't crash, but when you need to compile things you start getting a mess with the libraries that are not updated yet02:28
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usualusing alien to convert a rpm to a deb is just retarted02:28
Quaruptwonders what to do nect02:28
usualdo you know where that rpm placed stuff?02:28
usualQuarupt, compile it02:28
joeblow1234Ziggity: it is slated for release in april...not september02:28
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Quaruptno thats impossible02:28
Quarupttry to, you have to hand configure about 10 depends first before ya can even build it02:28
Ziggityusual, I had the similar issues ( although It  did fix  my mouse pad problem ) so I went back to warty02:29
joeblow1234usual: the rpm didnt install any files on the system for him...it just didnt do anything02:29
QuaruptNo its not bs02:29
Ziggityjoeblow1234, : is it? sorry02:29
usualif I build that program i am gonna pick on you for a month02:29
Quaruptgoto sf.net/gaim-vv and read02:29
joeblow1234Ziggity: if it is too unstable...they will delay it probably thoughj02:29
Quaruptlook at all the depsnds you have to extract 1by1 and configure and compile 1 by 102:30
Yobuii'm now running KDE :)02:30
Quaruptusual, me and about 5 others have tried, its possible, bit personally id rather use that much time to build a kernel from source02:30
Yobuii have another question, though... I have a widescreen laptop02:30
joeblow1234Yobui: what is it like on ubuntu?02:30
apokryphosjoeblow1234: kde? It's great.02:31
Yobuijoeblow1234: i've been running it for about 5 seconds, but so far has worked great :)02:31
Ziggityjoeblow1234, you're right -- for april .. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog/view?searchterm=hoary%20release02:31
joeblow1234Yobui: lol, what i meant is, for instance, KDE was incredibly unstable for me on Fedora (another Gnome based distro). Just wondering if it is the same in Ubuntu02:31
Ziggityooohh. I'm hungry.. gonna rattle the pots be back in a minute..02:33
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apokryphosjoeblow1234: not at all; very stable here. Though, I didn't have any of those problems you speak of on Fedora.02:33
Yobuijoeblow1234: i've been trying the apps and they run great02:33
joeblow1234apokryphos: i probably messed something up in that case02:33
drspinI'm performing updates for Warty on my other system and it keeps saying "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome..."02:33
drspinthen it asks if libgnome2-perl is installed02:34
Quarupthows it going usual ?02:34
usualQuarupt, I have to download things02:34
drspinI'm sorry - updates for Hoary02:34
Quaruptand its allready easier to use an rpm huh?02:34
usualthats just retarted02:34
LinuxJonesdrspin, install that package adn it will propt you with a nice gui for re-configuring packages02:34
Quarupti think your being stubborn02:34
usualit's a bad idea02:34
QuaruptHow many people in here have used the Limewire rpm and it woked FIME?02:35
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Quaruptusual, can ya make a deb after ya build it02:35
Quaruptone that actually woks?02:36
usualif it compiles ok yes02:36
Yobuiwell, as i was saying, i have a widescreen laptop with native resolution 1280x768, i configured X to run this resolution and it does pretty fine. BUT, if I want to change the resolution to a 4:3 ratio (1024x768), which i need to run presentations, the screen gets "expanded" (i don't see the whole desktop in the screen) i have to move the mouse to the left and right to see the whole desktop, do you know what can i do to modify this behavior?02:36
usualI am building a linphone-im deb02:36
Quaruptincluding all the depends?02:36
usual2 of the depends are in ubuntu already02:36
Quaruptcan you get em in one of the repositories?02:37
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Quaruptlemme know when yur done02:37
LinuxJonesYobui, ctrl+alt+-02:37
danixwhen gnome 2.10 will be release on hoary?02:37
_4strO( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.10-4-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: Gnome v2.9.9 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.102:37
Quarupti heard soon02:37
YobuiLinuxJones yes, that's what i do to change the resolution, the problem occurs WHEN i change it from the native one to another one02:37
_4strOsoon soon :)02:38
_4strOhi all02:38
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uMkuluniihau, danix02:38
LinuxJonesYobui, ctrl+alt++ :D02:38
usualQuarupt, do you use hoary or warty02:38
danixuMkulu, what?02:38
uMkuludanix: i haven't a clue02:38
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johnnybezakhow many of you guys are using hoary? im updating at the moment and im s***ing myself :P02:39
mystifyhey does xmms work with video files?02:39
LinuxJonesYobui, can't you stay in 1020x764 ?02:39
apokryphosmystify: no02:39
LinuxJonesYobui, or whatever it is ?02:39
danixi use hoary..02:39
Ziggityafter you run make how do u run the application02:39
Quaruptusual, why are you on warty or something?02:39
YobuiI can, but i need to be able to change it to project the screen on the wall02:40
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Yobuiwith a projector, they only support 4:3 ratios02:40
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LinuxJonesYobui, are you uding hoary ?02:40
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Quarupti think we need #Ubuntu|Warty and #Ubuntu|Hoary02:41
LinuxJonesYobui, does it work if you go system>>preferences>> screen resolution and change it there ?02:41
andy__say i have button one, button two, and button three (no scroll wheel).  how would i go about writing a config entry (or something) to scroll whenever i hold on to button 3, and move the mouse up or down?02:42
johnnybezakZiggity: did you make install too?02:42
Ziggityjohnnybezak, no .. how?02:43
apokryphosQuarupt: No, they're not different distributions. Different versions of a distro.02:43
YobuiLinuxJones yes, you got it... they make a new easy way and break the old ways, lol :)02:43
usualQuarupt, see...live compile haha02:43
apokryphosQuarupt: plus, the warty one would be pretty empty :P02:43
LinuxJonesYobui, cool glad tohelp ;)02:43
usualQuarupt, http://transamrit.net/~usual/test.mpeg02:43
Yobuithanks LinuxJones ;)02:44
Quaruptapokryphos, thanks for stating the obvious, i know there not dirrent distro lol02:45
apokryphosalways a pleasure02:45
Quaruptcant stream02:45
Quaruptmy shit isnt set up right yet02:45
usualdon't need too02:45
Quaruptgrr it just says no picture02:46
Quarupti dont think i installed my codecs right02:46
usualheh sounds like you need multimedia packages02:46
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delltonyanyone here able to get the styles to change in kubuntu?02:46
Quarupti have mplayer and mozilla-mplayer and the oog one02:47
QuaruptOh wait now i see it02:47
usualI just have totem with gstreamer02:47
Quaruptjust took a while02:47
Quaruptis that a live stream of your console now, or just a recording?02:47
usuali just recorded it02:47
drspinLinuxJones: thanks man!! how nice!02:48
Quaruptyour using flux?02:48
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raydogg``what does array 6 offer over array 5 ?02:49
Quaruptis it almost done?02:49
drspinSynaptic is so nice in Hoary02:49
QuaruptHavent seen any updates today02:50
LinuxJonesdrspin, ;)02:50
Quaruptlet me VNC view only usual02:50
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drspinHow can I share files between my two computers with different IP addresses connected to my cable modem through a switch??02:51
fscdrspin, Synaptic is nice in Hoary.  I've been a command line apt-getter for years, but finding myself using the gui a lot more these days02:51
Quaruptmaybe ill learn something02:51
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drspinin real time I mean02:51
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Ziggitydelltony, whats kubuntu?02:51
usualQuarupt, man this is bs02:51
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usualI wont use MSN02:51
fscKDE Ubuntu02:51
Quaruptusual, its not building?02:51
usualthis linphone-im package is just for MSN video02:52
usualyou saw it building02:52
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Yobuianyone who is using hoary has to do development work with many third party libraries (libpng, libjpeg, postgresql, etc.) ?02:52
haydenyo ompaul02:52
Quaruptthats what i need lol02:52
drspinfsc:  ay -- it seems that Ubuntu is doing the right things to bring Linux to the average joe!02:52
Quarupti can give ya some like gmail invites for your troubles02:52
drspinI have 50 Gmail invites...02:52
QuaruptI have over 60002:52
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fscdrspin, and for those that have been using linux for years, and want a simple, nice looking gnome desktop02:53
usualI have gmail invites dripping out of my ass02:53
drspinheh - yeah it's pretty rediculous02:53
Ziggityfsc, whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu.. which is the official >>02:53
usualthanks though02:53
Quarupti had 12 accounts when they did the give everyone 50 invites thing02:53
underdogguys, ubuntu installation hangs when it's "Starting PC card services...". ideas? i'm on a toshiba laptop02:53
fscZiggity,  Ubuntu is official - Gnome02:53
Quaruptmaybe detect-laptop failed02:53
usualQuarupt, I am stopping the linphone-im package and moving onto the gaim-vv02:53
delltonykde with ubuntu02:53
Ziggityunderdog, do u have the card in?02:53
Quaruptno please dont02:54
underdogZiggity: no cards02:54
usualQuarupt, if my package for gaim-vv works maybe the linphone-im deb from that site works02:54
drspinunderdog: weird but try cleaning the dust out of the laptop -- expecially if you smoke [insert product here]  -- it solved a lot of problems for my roommate02:54
Quarupttheres no use the whole point of the gaim-vv fork is for video and audio support02:54
delltonydang can't get styles to act right with this thing :( Riddell if your around i sure could use your help02:54
Quaruptso if ya dont have that might as well use gaim02:54
underdogdrspin: was that supposed to be funny?02:54
Ziggityunderdog, whats the machine spec02:54
underdoghold on02:55
drspinunderdog: partially... but I'm serious --02:55
ZiggityWhere can I get new backgrounds etc for Ubuntu?02:55
Quarupt?me waits for working free linux Reason port02:55
usualI just said I was compiling gaim-vv02:55
usualnot gaim02:55
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underdogZiggity: www.gnomelook.org / www.deviantart.com02:55
Quarupti know02:55
usualand the linphone-im package from that site I gave you might work with it02:55
Quaruptbut that depend is what makes the video stuff work without the video stuff its just gaim02:56
drspinLinuxJones: I didn't get a reconfigure window after installing libgnome2-pearl02:56
drspinLOL *perl02:56
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usualdpkg-deb: building package `libj2k' in `../libj2k_0.0.9-1_i386.deb'.02:56
usualthat was quick02:56
Ziggityok.. I ran make install on Monodevelop it did not complain - it installed a menu item under programming BUT it don't open when I click it..02:56
Quarupti would pay someone 100 bux to port Reason for me02:56
haydenanyone know how to change the mouse cursor theme?02:56
haydenanyone know how to change the mouse cursor theme in gnome ubuntu?02:57
LinuxJonesdrspin, you have to reconfigure a package02:57
drspinI would pay for Macromedia if they would port their software02:57
Quaruptis the gaim-vv.deb gunna install all the depends for us or are we gunna have to dl em 1 by 1?02:57
underdogZiggity: what do you need to know?02:57
Quaruptdrspin, i use flashmx and dreamwaever in Vm02:58
Quaruptand fireworks02:58
Ziggityunderdog, about what ??02:58
Quaruptnot cold fusion though02:58
drspinQuarupt: sigh VM is ok but lame... the simple fact that I have to use window$ annoys me02:58
delltonyhayden, read this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1402902:58
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delltonyi use the pinux cursors02:59
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Quaruptdrspin, ya its true02:59
Quaruptmaybe cedega would run em?02:59
haydenok thanks02:59
crbvegasi cannot for the life of me attach this freakin ubuntu box to my ms network02:59
Quaruptnever thought about that02:59
drspinQuarupt: actually X-over Office will run both of them almost 100 %02:59
Ziggitywhat ever happened to Caldera Linux?02:59
Quaruptcrbvegas, samba?03:00
drspina few small annoyances... but useable03:00
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crbvegasyeah, its on03:00
auraxanyone here uses intel mobo D915GAV ?03:00
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crbvegasi don't know much about samba03:00
auraxi need some information about it03:00
crbvegasbut i enabled it03:00
delltonyanyone here running kubuntu?03:00
Quaruptcrbvegas, are the xp machines on sp2?03:00
Ziggitycrbvegas, It should work straight out..03:00
crbvegasyeah, i don't see it on my network03:00
drspinin defense of VM, I learned what little I know about networking using Vmware in windows && linux03:00
Quaruptlol Dr_Acemaster03:01
Quarupteww fc3 is ugly03:01
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delltonycrbvegas, u using vmware?03:01
auraxanyone ?03:01
Ziggityok.. chaps.. gotta go .. thanx for all the help..03:02
QuaruptMan i am so happy i found Ubuntu, its the greatsest distro i have ever use honestly03:02
Ziggitybrandon_niemczyk, Thanx.. hope to see you soon/03:02
crbvegasno i am not using vm where03:02
raydogg``whats wrong with vmwar ?03:02
raydogg``vmware ?03:02
delltonywell try this smb://ipofhost03:02
Quaruptlong as ya have the mem03:02
delltonylike smb://
raydogg``I use it all the time to do sandbox testing03:03
raydogg``works great for me03:03
QuaruptI have 2gb and styill cant stand running xp in a host03:03
raydogg``i only have 1 gig03:03
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drspindelltony: will that work for another computer that pulls it's IP address from my ISP?03:03
Quarupti have the fastest ddr2 you can buy too03:03
crbvegasim retarded03:03
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delltonycrbvegas, i assume it worked ;)03:04
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crbvegas<delltony> well try this smb://ipofhost <------------ no, i don't know what this means03:04
crbvegastry it where03:04
QuaruptI might venture into getting fglrx driver working again, but it really pissed me off last night03:04
delltonyin a file browser03:04
usualQuarupt, .....03:04
lukewarmDoes array 6 seem like a pretty stable drop?03:05
crbvegasnow heres the thing03:05
Quaruptusual, .....03:05
crbvegasit wont let me do that03:05
crbvegasbecause i have public IPs03:05
Quarupt\wtf is array?03:05
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delltonyso your not connected to the widnows box thru a router03:05
delltonyor a crossover cable?03:05
usualdpkg-deb: building package `gaim-0.79-vv' in `../gaim-0.79-vv_3-1_i386.deb'.03:06
crbvegasthrough a switch, going into the cable modem03:06
drspincrbvegas: I have the same problem :) :)03:06
auraxso anyone here working with D915GAV mobo ?03:06
lukewarmQuarupt: /topic #ubuntu03:06
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crbvegasive never met anyone with this problem03:07
Darwin35what is the root passwor for waty worthog ?03:07
delltonywell whats the ip of the windows machine?03:07
crbvegasbut i've got 5 dynamic IPs03:07
Quarupti have read the yoic it doesnt explain waht array is03:07
Darwin35I just installed but it never asked me to set a root passwd03:07
drspinI have 2 ATM -- one for the dual processor and one for this machine03:08
drspinDarwin35: consider using sudo03:08
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Darwin35anyone know the root password for it03:08
drspinDarwin35: man sudo03:08
Darwin35you have tokow the passwd03:08
drspinDarwin35: your password will be the same as your password...03:08
crbvegasgoing to add some friends, will talk later, bye all!03:08
QuaruptDarwin35, sudo uses your password for root03:08
Quaruptusual, everything goin okay man?03:09
drspinyour [sudo]  password will be the same as your password on a fresh warty install03:09
crbvegasPM me if you can work some magic for me while I'm away03:09
usualQuarupt, http://transamrit.net/~usual/shot.png03:09
drspincrbvegas: I think that only option is VPN03:09
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drspincrbvegas: or buy a router...03:09
Quaruptusual ever heard of jpg03:10
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Ziggityok..i'm back.. how do I uninstall an application after using make intstall ?>>03:10
Darwin35why do they lock the root passwd03:10
Darwin35it should not be set03:10
drspinDarwin35: security03:10
Darwin35it should ask you during the install to set a root passwd03:10
Ziggityhow do I uninstall an application after using make intstall ?>>03:11
Darwin35man sudo is a pain03:11
Quaruptdid ya add the debs to the repositories?03:11
drspinZiggity: try "make uninstall"03:11
usualQuarupt, no, I used the ones from the link I gave you earlier because it was taking a while to compile03:11
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Quaruptdarwin just go sudo passwd    then enter your user password and you wont have to worry about it anymore03:11
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Yobuijoeblow1234 are you there?03:12
Ziggitydrspin, oohhh ok..03:12
Quaruptusual well when i tried those it didnt work so i guess im sol again03:12
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usualQuarupt, no, you just didn't pay any mind to what it complained about03:12
underdoghmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages03:12
underdogany ideas? :(03:12
Quaruptwhats the link again?03:12
usualyou gotta add it to your sources.list03:13
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ZiggityWooooHooooo that worked03:14
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Quaruptusual http://www.pastebin.com/24952403:14
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ZiggityBye! again03:14
Quaruptusual what do i need to add?03:14
eleazarhi, i just installed ubuntu and it didnt asked me for setting the root password, so anyone can tell me how to set it?03:14
Quaruptwhats the exact line, im bad with source adding ;)03:14
usualQuarupt, use synaptic03:15
usualQuarupt, remove gaim-data03:15
usualremove whatever  it complains about03:15
uMkuluman is to view the manual of most commands, type 'man command'03:15
usualread something damn03:15
tobizuggermans here?03:15
Darwin35ok got it03:15
Darwin35passwd changed03:15
stuNNedso what's the answer to the slowness in Hoary current?03:15
Quaruptsee this is why using the rpm was easier i didnt need to go out and research all this shit03:15
usualQuarupt, I got the same exact complaints03:16
usualeasier does NOT mean better03:16
danielsusual: itym 'not always'03:16
usualask around, not many people will say using alien on an rpm is a good idea03:16
johnnybezakit usual ly does though :D03:16
johnwlittleeleazar: Ubuntu uses sudo as opposed to a root account for admin features03:16
Quaruptjust dpkg --remove gaim-data?03:16
usualjohnnybezak, heh03:16
usualdaniels, hey I have been meaning to bug you :003:17
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usualdaniels, I am having quite a laggy desktop in hoary....is this another X issue?03:17
underdoghmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages. any ideas?03:17
Quaruptusual, please walk me through what ya just did, it wont take long03:17
usualQuarupt, do you know how to add the site to your sources.list?03:18
danielsusual: i've heard a lot about it, but I don't know why03:18
Quaruptyea with synaptic but i need an APT line03:18
usualdaniels, just the fact that I am not the only one makes me feel better03:18
Quaruptis it just deb site main stable?03:18
eleazarjohnwlittle, ok how do i setup my sudo account?03:18
usualdeb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main03:19
johnwlittleyou dont setup a sudo account...its a command03:19
speeli wouldent consider installing debain made packages with ubuntu .deb packages03:19
eleazarjohnwlittle, so, i just type sudo and thats it?03:19
dazed_hey can anyone help me get on a windows network to share files??whats the program03:19
Quarupt<speel> i wouldent consider installing debain made packages with ubuntu .deb packages03:20
johnwlittleeleazar: read the starter guide, follow it, and all will be clear: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/03:20
Quaruptthast what your supposed to use03:20
Quaruptusual what the APT line for the site?03:20
usualdaniels, if you happen to hear a soulution and see me floating around plz share03:20
virtualddoes anyone else use traceroute-nanog from hoary universe? the -O option doesn't work, where do i report this?03:20
usualQuarupt, scroll up03:20
speelwell one reason is ubuntu does not reccomend using debian packages03:20
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dazed_anyone help me use samba to get on windows networks please help!?03:20
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speelwell debian made packages i.e packages from debian.com03:21
jblackHas anybody seen a problem with their machine locking up when running apt-get ?03:21
Quarupti did all ya gave me was the site, to add it in synaptic i need a full APT line03:21
johnwlittleeleazar: also, here is an explanation of sudo http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/03:21
usualQuarupt, scroll up and actually read03:21
dazed_anyone help me use samba to get on windows networks please help!?03:22
Quaruptomg i have read everything you have said in my buffer03:22
Quaruptwant a damn screen shot03:22
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usualQuarupt is it just deb site main stable?03:22
usualeleazar johnwlittle, ok how do i setup my sudo account?03:22
usualusual deb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main03:22
Quaruptmy bad03:23
QuaruptI guess i didnt read EVERYTHING03:23
johnwlittlei give up lol03:23
Quaruptokay i added the source now what?03:24
speelsudo apt-get update03:24
speelor open up synaptic and hit reload03:24
usualQuarupt, update03:24
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Quarupti allways do that03:24
Quarupti did03:24
usualQuarupt, then search got gaim03:24
usualyou'll see gaim gaim-data and gaim-vv03:25
raydogg``is there a changelog for array6 ?03:25
usualchoose to remove gaim and gaim-data03:25
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usualand to install gaim-vv03:25
dazed_can anyone please help me use samba...how do i explore other computers?03:25
raydogg``is there a changelog for array6 ?03:25
raydogg``dazed_, install smb4k03:25
johnwlittledazed_: did you follow the samba instructions in the starter guide?03:25
speelraydogg``: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-March/024637.html03:25
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raydogg``thx speel03:26
dazed_johnwlittle..wheres the starter guide?03:26
dazed_the ubuntu>?03:26
dazed_or the samba03:26
uMkului heard the samba was my best bet then03:26
Quaruptokay done usual03:26
Quaruptbut gaim-vv shows up there as well03:26
usualQuarupt, ok, now apply03:26
Quaruptmaybe from the rpm?03:26
Yobuidelltony ayt?03:26
Quaruptits applied03:27
usualok, now launch gaim03:27
delltonyyeah i'm here03:27
Quaruptbut what about gaim-vv its listed as an installed package as well03:27
usualcheck the about, is it gaim-vv03:27
Yobuidelltony you have KDE on ubuntu too, right?03:27
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usualtry it03:27
QuaruptCannot launch icon03:27
QuaruptDetails: Failed to execute child process "gaim" (No such file or directory)03:27
usualdoes it open03:27
usualremove gaim-vv03:27
usualand install it again03:27
usualthat damn rpm03:27
speel:: caugh cant use debian.com packages caugh ::03:28
Quaruptlol ok03:28
delltonyYobui, ?03:28
uMkuluYobui, are you uding hoary ?03:28
usualspeel, cough couch see my ss of it running fine cough03:28
NekohayoHi, is there an MP3 tagger out there that queries information from the net, then leaves the user the choice to use them (if accurate) or not?03:28
speelthen you got lucky03:28
Yobuihave you been able to browse windows shares with KDE? i tried the LAN browser but it comploains protocol not supported lan03:28
usualwhat do you think ubuntu is03:28
Quaruptinstall it from the deb i got from the site you gave me?03:28
YobuiuMkulu no, warty03:28
uMkuluYobui: huh?03:28
usualQuarupt, man it's so simple....get rid of that fucking rpm deb you made, then use synaptic to update and install gaim-vv03:29
delltonyyeah i access my shares just fine but i ssh into my box03:29
YobuiuMkulu delltony  in the home icon03:29
uMkuluYobui: sorry...03:29
Quarupthey it worked03:29
delltonyi do it different03:29
Yobuidelltony did you install something special? like samba-kde or something like that?03:30
Quaruptusual,Thanks a million03:30
delltonyfor what the ssh?03:30
Quaruptbut what depends do i need to get all the video and stuff working?03:30
usualQuarupt, np, now if anything in it doesn't work, read the site03:30
usualenable plugins03:30
Yobuifor the samba share03:30
usualinstall extra packages etc03:30
Yobuii have a disk shared on a windows box03:30
delltonyno i just set it up03:30
Yobuii want to acces it from my ubuntu-kde03:30
delltonyinstalled samba03:30
delltonyand setup the smb.conf file03:30
usualQuarupt, your on your own now man I already uninstalled it03:30
Quaruptusual do i need all those packages that the site says, where can i get em?03:30
delltonyto include my share dirs and all03:31
usualQuarupt, I would go to preferences03:31
usualenable the plguins like linphone03:31
Yobuidelltony i mean the other way around, accessing the windows box from the linux, not the linux shares from the windows03:31
usualshit like that03:31
usualthen try your audio video03:31
usualand go from there03:31
delltonyno all you do is use smb03:31
delltonyat least thats what i do anyway03:31
Yobuidelltony could you provide an example please? :) (smbclient you mean?)03:32
delltonyopen up the filebrowser03:32
delltonynautlius or whatever its called03:32
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delltonyand put in the address field smb://
delltonyor whatever your ip is of that host03:33
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poxymoxYobui: mount -t smbfs -o username=bla //IPADRESS/Share /mnt -o umask=003:33
Quaruptusual, i dont see any of those listed as plugins?03:33
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usualQuarupt, I did03:33
delltonyor you can mount it like he said03:33
usualQuarupt, install them03:33
Quarupti dunno how?03:33
usualQuarupt, in synaptic search for linphone03:33
Quaruptman why is this such a hassle03:33
usualQuarupt, and libj2k03:33
usualit aint'03:33
usualyou just don't know03:33
usualthats all03:33
usualnow you know03:34
Yobuidelltony i tried that but it didn't work, i'll try mounting the thing and probably doing that i'll discover what the problem is, maybe it's the firewall or something03:34
Yobuipoxymox thnx03:34
usualman I need another gunniess03:34
Quaruptusual, theres linphone and linphone103:34
usualQuarupt, I have no clue03:34
usualQuarupt, ones newer ones older'03:34
poxymoxnp :-)03:34
Quaruptthey all have same version03:35
delltonybut what i have always done was mount -t smbfs //ipaddress/sharefolder /mountpoint -o rw,umask=777,fmask=77703:35
usualok, go for broke03:35
usualif one don't work remove it03:35
usualthen try the other03:35
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GammaRaydelltony: a little redundant03:35
delltonylike mount -t smbfs // /media/myxpdrive -o rw,umask=777,fmask=77703:36
usualQuarupt, I would go here http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/03:36
Quaruptthey were all dependencies of the main one anyways03:36
usualQuarupt, and use that as a reference03:36
GammaRaydelltony: umask covers fmask03:36
usualinstall shit in synaptic that you see in there03:36
delltonyok didn't know that see learn something new every day03:36
Yobuii get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on // or too many mounted filesystems :/03:37
usualliblinphone1_1.0.0pre9-1_i386.deb       04-Mar-2005 03:14   173k03:37
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Quaruptokay so there both installed, whats the one i need for msn video confrencing?03:37
usualthats newwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww03:37
usualno idea03:37
usualtry it03:37
usualsee what happens03:37
Quaruptlol its the one ya just said03:37
Quaruptwhere can i get it?03:37
usualsynaptic man03:37
usualwhere you been03:37
delltonyYobui, have you done sudo /etc/init.d/smb restart ?03:37
Yobuidelltony heh, good idea :)03:38
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Yobuii had it running03:38
Yobuithe same problem03:38
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robodexwow, I never realized gdesklets had an irc desklet.... how... useless03:38
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QuaruptNOW i have no gaim bins?03:39
delltonytry samba instead03:39
delltonysudo /etc/init.d/samba restart03:39
PacoBCNhi guys03:39
PacoBCNone question03:39
usualdaniels, that lag seems to affect everything in X not just something specific03:39
Quaruptusual, where is the gaim-vv bin?03:39
Yobuii did /etc/init.d/samba restart (as root)03:39
PacoBCNI can delete linux-headers, right?03:39
usualQuarupt, it's just gaim03:39
poxymoxYou installed the smbfs?03:39
PacoBCNI mean, I need as much disk space as possible now03:39
Quaruptya i dont have a gaim bin anymore either03:39
Yobuisudo apt-get install smbfs?03:39
usuali did03:40
poxymoxcat /proc/filesystems | grep smb03:40
Quaruptthis is soooo fun03:40
usualmaybe I should VNC to YOU!03:40
usualor ssh03:40
dazed_alright i cant get this to work03:40
Quaruptroot@UBunBOX:/home/sean # gaim03:40
Quaruptbash: gaim: command not found03:40
Quaruptman, wtf03:40
usuali dunno03:40
Yobuigreat, i didn't know it wasn't installed by default :)03:40
usualI can't see it03:40
Yobuinow i'm seeing the files03:41
usualyou saw mine03:41
Quaruptim glad03:41
Yobuithanks again guys03:41
Quaruptya i did03:41
usualgo back to synapitc03:41
usualsearch for gaim03:41
usualwhat does it show03:41
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PacoBCNis it safe to download linux-headers?03:41
Quarupti know why03:41
Quarupti need03:41
usualsudo apt-get -f install03:42
usualif it's broken03:42
Quaruptit never even installed03:42
Quarupti just thought it did03:42
Quaruptand now i cant find03:42
usuali told you fool03:42
usualsearch for linphone03:42
Quaruptnot in synaptic03:42
usualand libj2k03:42
Quarupti installed those allready remeber03:43
usualman I got no clue....just going on whatcha tell me03:43
Quarupti need liblinphone0 thats what dpkg is saying03:43
usualI'm just trying to help ya03:43
Quarupti know03:43
Quaruptand i apreciate it03:43
Quaruptwhen these oxy's i just took kick in ill be in a waay better mood03:43
usualsudo apt-get install liblinphone003:43
Quaruptbut where can i find a liblinphone0 deb03:43
Yobuimy last question03:44
Quarupttheres no package03:44
Yobuiwhat do you use to see avi's?03:44
usualit's right there03:44
usualliblinphone1_1.0.0pre9-1_i386.deb       04-Mar-2005 03:14   173k03:44
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QuaruptPackage liblinphone0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.03:44
QuaruptThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or03:44
Quaruptis only available from another source03:44
QuaruptE: Package liblinphone0 has no installation candidate03:44
usualtry liblinphone03:44
usualwithout the 003:44
Quaruptbut i added that source and i cant find it still03:44
usualor liblinphone103:45
Quaruptno go03:45
Quaruptbut dpkg says i need Package liblinphone0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.03:45
QuaruptThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or03:45
Quaruptis only available from another source03:45
QuaruptE: Package liblinphone0 has no installation candidate03:45
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usualtry 103:45
Quaruptforgot that was in my clip still03:45
QuaruptThe following packages have unmet dependencies:03:45
Quarupt  gaim-vv: Depends: liblinphone0 but it is not installable03:45
QuaruptE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).03:45
underdoghmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages. any ideas?03:46
Quaruptwhats that all about?03:46
usualand you did sudo apt-get -f install03:46
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uMkuluit has been said that usual is building a linphone-im deb03:46
dazedsomeone really needs to help me with samba03:46
dazedi cant get it to work03:46
usualuMkulu, it was said much earlier that usual found out it was for MSN video and killed the build03:46
uMkuluusual: excuse me?03:46
usualuMkulu, excuse you for what?03:47
Quaruptusual, okay it removed it03:47
Quaruptusual,  now what reinstall it or?03:47
usualQuarupt, removed what exactly?03:47
uMkuluusual: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down.03:47
uMkuluwell, Australia is the place to be!03:47
dazedcan someone please help me with samba03:47
Quaruptit was half installed i guess03:47
dazedi just want a few files off my stupid friends winblows03:47
usuali had none of this trouble03:47
usualsame OS03:47
Quaruptanyways should i just try to install it again?03:48
Quarupti might be using the wrong deb i wanna dl it again03:48
usualthen try again yeah03:48
Quaruptwhats the site onvce more03:48
usualbookmarkt hat shit03:48
usualQuarupt, dload whatever you need right from there03:48
usualif it bitches about a dependency download it from there also03:49
usualect ect ect03:49
Quaruptisnt that what i added as a source?03:49
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Quaruptlol so i can just use synaptic03:49
usualbut if you download it right fromt he browser you don't have to go throught he hassle of apt not liking the package name03:50
usualQuarupt, yes, but you were having issues03:50
Quaruptoh i see03:50
Quaruptlets try this again03:50
usualbrb getting more beer03:50
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marcin_anthi guoys03:50
underdogguys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?03:50
haydeni accidently took gaim from the task bar in gnome, how can i get it back there (not a launcher, to sit there when it is open)03:51
Quaruptgaim-vv depends on liblinphone003:51
tgaany idea how I can install a dri-enabled libGL? xmesalib-dri doesn't seem to do the trick03:51
Quaruptand i have 103:51
marcin_antcould someone tell me how to send files to cell phone via bluetooth?03:51
Quaruptso i have to downgrade or what?03:51
tgaQuarupt: man ln :)03:51
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tgaQuarupt: ie create a symlink and see if it works03:51
marcin_antI can receive with gnome-obex-server but I don't know how to send03:51
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drewi just installed ubunto03:52
drewer ubuntu03:52
drewi love it03:52
drewvery good job03:52
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usualman X is driving me bonkers03:53
drewim just wounderin for some reason my apt-get doesnt seem to ahve any packages in its repo and or no repo, how can i add the ubuntu .deb package repos03:53
Quaruptusual, WTF03:53
Quaruptgaim-vv depends on liblinphone0; however:03:53
Quarupt  Package liblinphone0 is not installed.03:53
Quaruptand i installed it from THAT site03:53
Quaruptman this is gay03:53
Yobuibye guys, thanks for all the help03:54
drewhow do i setup apt-get in ubuntu03:54
Quaruptit wants liblinphone0 and the site only has liblinphone103:54
drewfor all the ubuntu repos03:54
haydeni accidently took gaim from the task bar in gnome, how can i get it back there (not a launcher, to sit there when it is open)03:54
Quest-Masterdrew: apt-get is already setup03:54
coroneri can seem to make my ubuntu kill the X in order to be able to install the nvidia drivers?03:54
Quest-Masterdrew: Just sudo apt-get install packagenamehere03:54
Quest-MasterUse Synaptic, drew03:55
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GammaRaycoroner: try /etc/init.d/gdm stop03:55
mairuhow to check whether infra red is detected or not? Any commands like lspci,lsusb?03:55
drewquest-master i never did the update my system thing when i installed03:55
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drewlet me try tho03:56
underdogguys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?03:56
coronerthanks GammaRay03:56
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tgadrew: you either use Synaptic or you stick this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list03:56
tgadeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted03:56
tgaoops, wrong line03:56
drewi dont have synaptics on my computer03:57
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Quarupti need another IM client while im working on this one enyone know another one packaged for debian?03:57
tgadrew: synaptic03:57
uMkulusynaptic is the packagemanager GUI on dpkg based systems03:57
underdogguys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?03:57
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drewthere we go, sorry im an arch linux user03:57
drewim used to pacman03:57
tgauMkulu: who asked you? go sit in a corner!03:57
uMkuluwish i knew, tga03:57
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johnnybezakim just upgrading to hoary, will that give me a new kernel?03:58
tgajohnnybezak: if it doesn't you can grab one later03:58
bluefoxicythis is funny03:58
underdogguys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?03:58
underdogguys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?03:58
bluefoxicymy mom is a dumb bitch03:58
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bluefoxicyand she likes linux better than windows because it's "easier to use"03:58
tgaunderdog: are you installing or something?03:59
bluefoxicyso I gave her a Unix manual XP03:59
virtualdbluefoxicy: :D03:59
underdogtga: trying to, yes03:59
tgaunderdog: maybe your cd is scratched or something03:59
johnnybezaktga: yeah i don't actually want one I was just wondering03:59
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virtualdmy mom can't use linux because there's no bookkeeping software04:00
underdogtga: no, it's brand new04:00
virtualdat least none worth its name04:00
tgajohnnybezak: apt-cache search linux-image04:00
underdognot the only one having this problem, searched through the forums04:00
tgajohnnybezak: I don't know if upgrading to hoary will get a new kernel for you04:00
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johnnybezakunderdog: what crashes04:00
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johnnybezaktga: cool thanks04:00
tgaunderdog: oh, I don't know then :\04:00
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tgavirtuald: gnucash works for personal use04:01
virtualdtga: it's not personal use 8] 04:01
tgavirtuald: you could also try to run whatever you're using in wine.. it might not work but it will be an interesting experience04:01
virtualdtoo risky04:01
johnnybezakhave any of you guys set mail up with ubuntu?04:02
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johnnybezakbecause mine sort of works but I'm getting this error, anyone know how to fix04:02
tgavirtuald: give the software a try in wine, then write an article/blog entry about it. 3. ??? 4. profit04:02
johnnybezak<thomas.mcmahon@iinet.net.au> (expanded from <root>): host04:02
johnnybezak    mail.m.iinet.net.au[]  said: 553 sorry, your envelope sender04:02
johnnybezak    domain must exist (#5.7.1) (in reply to MAIL FROM command)04:02
marcin_anthello again - any gnome-bluetooth user here?04:03
underdogjohnnybezak: the installation crashes04:03
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johnnybezakunderdog: ok the install on to the laptop04:03
johnnybezakunderdog: don't install the extra packages04:04
tgado you even get a choice?04:04
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haydenhow do i add a notification area to gnome 2.804:06
johnnybezaktga: i dont know04:06
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underdogjohnnybezak: i'm running "custom" right now04:06
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johnnybezakunderdog: good idea, just do a minimal install from the cd, you can always just apt-get the rest of the stuff04:07
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underdogi'll keep you posted04:08
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haydenhow do i add a notification area to gnome 2.804:10
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usualright click panel04:11
usualadd applet04:11
usualnotification applet04:11
haydenahh thanks04:11
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Levanderanybody know a little about mysql privilege tables? think i just figured something out through a lengthy trial and error process that i wanna verify04:12
usualLevander, maybe try phpmyadmin?04:12
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Levanderusual, why would i try that?04:12
usualLevander, I found it as a pretty decent front end to mysql04:13
underdogjohnnybezak: it will still try to install the damn extra packages :(04:13
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gangalinowhat's the proper syntax for using unrar to extract files from a rar archive?04:13
underdoglet me try another cd04:13
underdogalthough i'm pretty sure this one is good04:13
gangalinounrar -x rarfile.rar?04:13
usualgangalino, unrar pak.rar04:13
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bluefoxicyif you install array 6 hoary and specify reiserfs as the partition containing /boot, will it use grub by default04:13
usualor rar -x04:13
usualwb Quarupt04:14
tgabluefoxicy: I remember having to pass a funny mount option when using reiser for boot, make sure you find out about that04:14
johnnybezakunderdog: that sux04:14
gangalinousual: it always fails, even though unrar -t shows the files04:14
johnnybezakunderdog: are you sure its not the dodgy cd04:14
Levanderhas any one else tried the new database application in OOo, called Base? what'd yall think?04:14
tgabluefoxicy: the Gentoo folks probably have this well documented04:15
bluefoxicytga:  notail, and you don't have to04:16
bluefoxicygrub knows about tails04:16
bluefoxicyso does lilo since about 3 or 4 years ago04:16
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tgabluefoxicy: heh, I'm outdated then. I've always used ext2 for my /boot04:17
bluefoxicyalso for about 5 or 6 years after 99% of pcs still in use could boot from past 1024 cyllindars people still perpetuated the separate /boot at cyllindar 0 thing because tehy were too dumb to realize that you could boot a 30 gig hard drive at cyllindar 55,00004:17
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underdogjohnnybezak: does the dodgy cd issue happen a lot? I mean, it's brand new... but i'm trying one that was used for an installation already04:17
bluefoxicyI mean fuck04:17
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awtomlinsoni have just reinstalled warty ubuntu.  now, when i click on the Show Desktop icon, it opens the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i get this to actually show the desktop?04:17
bluefoxicyI booted from a 30 gig drive with 58,000 cyllindars with / intentionally at the end and 4 gigs wide, with /boot on /, in a 200 mhz pentium from 199804:17
bluefoxicyusing lilo04:18
johnnybezakunderdog: it certainly can happen, have you got another copy?04:18
mseneyhas anyone been able to get the nvidia 6629 drivers to work under Hoary w/ a Riva TNT?04:18
underdogjohnnybezak: can we pm?04:18
johnnybezakunderdog: yeah04:19
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awtomlinson i have just reinstalled warty ubuntu.  now, when i click on the Show Desktop icon, it opens the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i get this to actually show the desktop?04:20
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RobzulahHello.  I am new to Ubuntu and my Warty Warthog CD's just arrived.  I went to install, but when I go to set up partitions I found out Macintosh has already used up all my free space in one partition.  I've just recently started learning a lot about computers, and partitions are still a bit fuzzy, can I split the main partition in the Ubuntu setup?04:21
calcthat thread seems to have info about how to do what you want04:24
johnnybezakRobzulah: stop right now04:25
johnnybezakRobzulah: doing anything to that partition will probably result in you losing ALL DATA ON THE MAC OS partition04:25
mseneyRobzulah, backup your data before trying to install ubuntu!!!!!!!04:26
awtomlinsonwhy does my Show Desktop icon open the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i make it actually show the desktop04:27
calchmm ubuntu probably can't resize it, but from what i read on debian-powerpc if you use a current daily sarge d-i cd and disable the journal it will allow you to resize it04:28
johnnybezakawtomlinson: the desktop folder is just another place showing your desktop contents, to see the desktop just minimse your windows04:28
awtomlinsonjohnnybezak, i know this.  when i previously had ubuntu installed, the Show Desktop icon actually showed the desktop, it didn't open the desktop folder in nautilus04:29
calcbut yes backing up your data is a good idea before doing anything major on a system04:29
awtomlinsonand yes, spatial nautilius is disabled04:29
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RobzulahWhat is daily sarge d-i?04:36
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FenrisWolfhi all, can someone help me with a question04:37
calconly if you ask it...04:37
FenrisWolfI dont remember seeing the installer ask me for a root password at all04:37
FenrisWolfam I missing something?04:37
calcthere is no root login, you use sudo04:38
FenrisWolfthats what I thought04:38
calcthe account created during install is automatically added to the sudo file04:38
Robzulahhas anyone used the AOL dialer from Linsoft?04:39
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nomasteryodaRobzulah, i have it installed... dialer that is04:40
nomasteryodawas curious04:40
nomasteryodabut i dont even use the modem04:40
calctga: it was useful when used with aohell ;)04:40
FenrisWolfcalc: is there an X version of Aptitude?04:42
RobzulahWas it a free download?04:42
calcFenrisWolf: synaptic is similiar04:42
RobzulahUnfortuneatly, AOL is my only internet source right now04:42
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FenrisWolfoh no, he found me out :)04:43
calcFenrisWolf: eh?04:43
FenrisWolfwhere do you think you have seen me before04:44
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calcFenrisWolf: not sure it has been a while if i have seen you, perhaps i just confused you with someone else04:44
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underdogguys, ubuntu hangs whenever it uses pcmcia04:45
underdogany ideas?04:45
calci'm primarily on freenode now though i used to be efnet all the time04:45
Thierryhey, in the daily build of march first, the windows at the bottom are very small... is there a bug for this?04:45
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calcFenrisWolf: so do you know me? ;)04:46
FenrisWolfhehe, cant say I do04:46
FenrisWolfI am old as dirt though04:46
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calcFenrisWolf: ah so you didn't use efnet long ago?04:47
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FenrisWolfI did04:47
calcFenrisWolf: erm #snes?04:48
FenrisWolffrom time to time I was in there04:48
calcFenrisWolf: ah that is where then04:48
calcFenrisWolf: i was in there for 4-5 years i think and in DC04:48
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Marble2where are printers stored?>04:48
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FenrisWolfI was in virginia04:49
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calcFenrisWolf: ah i meant damaged cybernetics04:51
StoffBox-Stevekubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE , right or ?04:51
calcbefore i became a foss person ;)04:51
Marble2anyone know where printers are stored?04:52
tgaMarble2: I have one under my desk04:52
Marble2i mean i ubuntu ;p04:52
tgai ubuntu too :)04:52
Marble2in even04:52
raydogg``what utility should I run to format and partition a new drive ?04:52
Marble2what's the location of my printer so I can add it to my samba share04:52
calcraydogg``: fdisk and mkfs.(whatever)04:53
tgaraydogg``: cfdisk to partition it, mkfs.<fs type> to format04:53
haydeni most ubuntu04:53
johnnybezakwell im updating to hoary, the only thing that seems to be broken so far is firefox04:54
haydeni updated to hoary last night, i found that the cursor theme changed from the default ubnutu ones04:54
haydenand that when i tried to type # the english pound sign came up04:55
haydenso i had to change keyboard layout04:55
johnnybezakwhen i restart will it change to x.org?04:55
johnnybezakbrb restarting x04:55
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haydenwhat is the version of hoary?04:56
calcgrumpy will be 5.1004:56
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calchayden: its year.month04:57
calchoary releases in just over 1mo from now04:57
Thierryhayden, what is the command to upgrade to hoary? like apt-get what04:58
calcapt-get dist-upgrade04:58
calcyou have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file first though04:58
Thierryok thanks04:58
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usualwhats up calc04:58
calcusual: not much, recovering from work :\04:59
haydenThierry, go to http://www.ubuntuguide.com and search for hoary and you will find how to do it04:59
Thierryok good04:59
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usualcalc, I hear that man, long day here...just enjoying some gunniess04:59
usualcalc, you using hoary?05:00
calcusual: yea05:00
usualcalc, are you experiencing the laggy desktop?05:00
calcusual: not sure, what lags exactly?05:00
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usualcalc, nothing major, just everything in X lag's...sluggish05:01
virtualdcalc: 1+205:01
calcwell repaint seems a bit slow05:01
calcvirtuald: 505:01
virtualdthanks mate05:01
sridBug in libapache2-mod-python2.4 !! -05:01
srid  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/mod_python/apache.py", line 28, in ?05:01
srid    import _apache05:01
sridImportError: No module named _apache05:01
usualcalc, maybe thats what it is05:01
calcusual: if i drag things around on the screen i see a lot of trailing garbage05:01
calci don't recall that happening before05:02
usualcalc, yeah that05:02
usualcalc, just annoying05:02
haydencalc, how does shared folders work in hoary05:02
calchayden: no idea i haven't used them05:02
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usualwb Quar05:02
Quaroh thats why05:03
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Quarlol i was i cant identify05:03
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Quaruptusual thx again man05:04
usualnp man05:04
usualhope it works05:04
=== calc bbl
QuaruptI trusted ya to come on my system, and were very trustworthy05:04
Quaruptnow if i could only get mh fglrx working id be in heaven05:05
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johnnybezakdone hoary is installed :)05:05
johnnybezakand alsa is working again, go figure :)05:05
QuaruptI cant believe all this time i thought i was Hoary i wasnt all the way my sources were still pointed at warty05:06
Quaruptgo figure05:06
Quaruptprobably why the fgrlx didnt work05:07
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tgaway to go Quarupt05:07
Quarupttga, ya think i should try it again?05:07
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QuaruptI know its so user friendly05:07
johnnybezakanyone know why mplayer is dependant on a package that doesnt exist in hoary05:08
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tgajohnnybezak: look for the restricted formats page on the ubuntu site05:08
Quaruptjohnnybezak, its not05:09
Quarupti have it05:09
Quaruptand im Hoary05:09
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heliolithhello all: is anyone in here use a Spanish keyboard layout available via the Gnome gui preferences setup menu?  I can get the layout to switch, but the dang accent is backwards!05:09
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Quarupttga is the fgrlx driver in any repositories you know?05:09
johnnybezaktga: yeah i dont mind installing it from somewhere else, but how do i tell apt that ive installed it from somewhere else05:09
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heliolithanyone remember the name of the ubuntu spanish channel?  is it ubuntu-es?05:10
Quarupttga, Cause i cant remeber where we got it05:10
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heliolithusing the little panel to add accents while you're typing in another language is wayyyy too time consuming...05:11
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sockleri made two partitions on my box and installed ubuntu on the second one, windows XP on the first, how do i get the dual boot option every time i start up??05:12
johnnybezakok in warty gnome-control-center brought up everything, now it only brings up desktop preferences how do i get it to show everything (im using flux not metacity, hence me needing to know how to get it from the console)05:13
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Quaruptwhere is gnome-control-center05:14
GammaRaysockler: edit /etc/grub/ment.lst05:14
GammaRaysockler: comment out hiddenmenu05:15
NumPyhello all05:15
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packman_ehello all05:15
QuaruptThat was weird05:15
johnnybezakQuarupt: thats the programs command05:15
Quarupt<NumPy> hello all05:15
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Quarupt<packman_e> hello all05:15
johnnybezakQuarupt: to launch from the console05:16
Quaruptjohnnybezak, yea, but its not in any of the menu's?05:16
johnnybezakQuarapt: its probably called something like Control Center05:16
packman_ejust a quick question to kick things off. after installing ubuntu 4, how do you set a password for root please?05:16
NumPy..is there a dev channel for ubuntu05:16
socklerGammaRay: i cant even get to ubuntu, windows XP boots first, i looked in setup but didnt see anything about partitions05:16
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Quaruptpackman_e, sudu passwd, but iw ouldnt recomend it05:17
Quaruptsudo is a security feature05:17
dr_willisits a bad habbit to use root that way.05:17
dr_willisis their logic05:17
dr_williswhen ya need to do rooty stuff. use that user and 'sudo whatever'05:18
packman_ei don't understand05:18
dr_willis"rooty stuff" :)05:18
Quaruptit does get annoting though, i also did sudo passwd05:18
packman_ei would have thought that it would be worse for root not to have a password05:18
dr_willispackman_e,  from a security point of view - you should NEVER login as root.   as a user that CAN do the sudo stuff.. do it that way05:18
GammaRaysockler: is ubuntu on a seperate hdd?05:18
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tgaI do sudo su or sudo -s05:18
StoffBox-Stevesockler, have you set the Grub Bootloader to the partition and not to the MBR ?05:18
johnnybezakpackman_e: there is an faq on the website about this05:19
BiteMeBillYou can always use the root terminal and not enter the password all the time.05:19
tgasudo is useful in an environment where you're keeping track of who's doing what05:19
dr_willistga,  yea - theres that also :P05:19
usualgood luck Quarupt05:20
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packman_edr_willis, no, no i dont actually want to login as root, i just want to set the password so that i can set up stuff like networking05:20
piratePenguinwhat's the cool (easy to use) iptables script? I used it before, forgot the name05:21
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dr_willispackman_e,  you can do all that with 'sudo'  once ya learn how :P05:21
StoffBox-Stevewhen it ask a root PW . than simple use your UserPW packman_e :D05:21
BiteMeBillpackman_e: then password that you set during install is the password you use with sudo.05:21
dr_willispackman_e,  of course ya can alwyas do 'sudo passwd' and set the root users password and be done with it.05:21
dr_willisthe inital users password is also the root/sudo password.05:21
packman_ehmmm. that has confused me.05:22
packman_ewhay does the system do that?05:22
dr_willispackman_e,  how else wold you have it do that?05:23
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dr_willisit asks for the main users password.. and sets that as the default sudo password also.. simple. :P05:23
delltonyquestion what needs to be edited to change  your gobal font sizes in kde? i have 20/20 vision but this 5pt font is killing my eyes :(05:23
drspinwhat's a good id3 tag editor that will organize my folders????05:24
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uMkuluhi, hub05:24
hubdoes ubuntu support booting with a AHA 2940-UW SCSI controller ?05:24
Marble2when I get rpms from rpmfind.net what version should I get them for05:24
Marble2if ubuntu isn't listed05:25
dr_willisubuntu uses rpms ? i dident think so05:25
drspinhub... I have that scsi controller on my other system05:25
dr_willisor am i confused here..05:25
StoffBox-SteveMarble2, ubuntu using Deb not rpm05:25
drspindr_willis: it uses DEB as opposed to RPM05:25
tgaMarble2: you generally don't get rpms for Ubuntu05:25
hubdrspin: I either get /dev/sda2 not found or linuxrc crashing05:25
drspinhub -- did you install ubuntu from a SCSI cd drive??05:25
hubdrspin: no05:25
drspinI had to or it wouldn't configure right...05:25
dr_willisdrspin,  yea - heh heh - i thogh so.. :P  but i test out sooo many different disrtos..05:25
hubdrspin: it is IDE05:26
packman_edr_willis, just to let you guys know that i am a newbie, but i tried fedora and that one gets you to set a root passowrd at install as well as a user password and when you need to do admin tasks you type in 'su -' then the root password or when using a graphical tool it would ask you for a root password and you would type it in05:26
StoffBox-Stevewhen you need stuff simple try > apt-cache search Programm05:26
hubdrspin: maybe I should try the SCSI burner instead05:26
StoffBox-Steveand than apt-get install Programm05:26
drspinhub: that's exactly what I did --05:26
drspinhub: :)05:26
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hubif I can boot from it05:26
dr_willispackman_e,  the idea of 'su -' is condisdred a security  issue..  Yea i know its how allthe OTHER disrtos default to doing it.. but its still a issue.. and the ubuntu guys are very PARANOID about security.05:27
packman_eoh ok05:27
socklerGamma: still with me?  no, ubuntu and windows XP is on the same hd05:27
packman_esorry i did'nt know05:27
socklerthe problem is that only windows boots, i want to be able to choose which one05:28
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dr_willisactually most all the Disrots are begining to get more and more paranid about security.. which is good I guess. :P05:28
GammaRaysockler: where did you install the ubuntu bootloader(grub)?05:28
socklerwhere the first partition is05:29
socklerwherever that is05:29
packman_edr_willis, if you don't mind, how is it a security issue using su - over sudo please?05:29
virtualddr_willis: s/Disrots/OSes/05:30
haydenwhat would i have to install to be able to compile programs in c?05:30
GammaRaysockler: it should be installed on the MBR. that's what your bios loads05:30
virtualdhayden: build-essential05:31
uMkulubuild-essential is a package alias for install all the tools needed to compile source on debian based systems05:31
haydenok thanks05:31
socklerGammaRay: when i get to the MBR, i should have to choice which OS to boot from?05:31
dr_willispackman_e,  therea a faq on it i think at the ubuntu site. :P05:31
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dr_willisyou normally dont want a 'root' shell. where you could accidently type the wrong command it the basics I guess.05:32
Quaruptis there a way to put like a 10 second delay on an onjoin command in Xchat?05:32
GammaRaysockler: yes *if* you install the boot loader on the MBR, otherwise windows's bootloader is still there doing what it always did05:32
hubkernelpnaic in linuxrc at boot05:33
hubany idea ?05:33
hubshall I try a SuSE ?05:33
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Quaruptspound like HW probs to me05:34
delltonyhow do you change the gtk-theme please?05:34
socklerGamma: well i installed ubuntu first, then XP second, so would the XP bootload overwrite GRUB??05:34
dr_willisyes sock it would.05:34
virtualdhub: what are the messages above "kernel panic"?05:34
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QuaruptHrm i guess not05:35
QuaruptXchat is boring05:35
Quarupti wanna new client05:35
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Quaruptor to customize this one maybe ill go look at some scripts05:35
dr_willisQuarupt,  go get irssi :P05:35
socklerhmm so i guess i have to reinstall ubuntu...will GRUB overwrite the XP bootload?05:35
hubvirtuald: I don't know because it display a stacktrace05:35
virtualdB] ] 05:35
hubvirtuald: making eveything taking the screen05:35
GammaRaysockler: see this http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041203_15.html#405:35
hubvirtuald: but I think it is "loading Linux...."05:35
hubvirtuald: it booted once and said it couldn't find /dev/sda2 (probably the swap)05:36
virtualdheh, well it's above my level05:36
hubvirtuald: it is unusual05:36
hubit is a quite old machine, no fancy hardware05:36
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huband install goes smoothly with the boot CD-ROM05:36
socklerGamma: thank you very much, one last q: is my ubuntu root device a /?05:37
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hubmy is a 4.10 Install CD05:37
virtualddid you try with a 2.4 or 2.2 kernel? :)05:37
dashsomeone help me out here. is the next version after hoary going to be Grumpy Groundhog, or Bendy Badger? i have seen both on the wiki :)05:37
virtualdthat might work better for old hardware05:37
hubvirtuald: I didn't. I don't have the choice at boot time05:37
dr_willisdash,  I thinkits going to be Hammy Hampster05:38
hubvirtuald: only 2.605:38
dashdr_willis: I was hoping for Snarky Sandhog.05:38
GammaRaysockler: that depends on where it is on the ide cable, and which interface it's on05:38
haydenwhats the difference of dir and ls05:38
socklerhow would i determine that?05:38
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dr_willisdash,  i dont even know what a SandHog is. :P and i watch ANimalPlanet all the time.05:38
dashhayden: dir just runs ls with different options05:38
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GammaRaysockler: /dev/hda is primary master, hdb pri. slave, hdc secondary master, hdd sec. slave05:39
dashdr_willis: http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/s/s0063800.html ;-)05:39
hubso I'm boned05:40
jeavishello what patition software I can use from boot05:40
socklerGamma: alright mine would be hda then.... thanks a whole lot05:40
dr_willis A laborer who works inside a caisson  --- ok.. now whats a Caisson :P05:40
GammaRaysockler: you also need the partiton number...05:40
dashjeavis: the thingy on the install cd is probably your best bet05:40
GammaRaysockler: /dev/hda1 would be the first partition05:40
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jeavisdash: I have problems with a machine, is so strange, I use my ubuntu cdrom05:41
sockleryeah i got that05:41
socklerthanks :-)05:41
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jeavisdash: I need a partition program from boot05:41
dashjeavis: i don't understand what you mean "from boot", exactly. the install CD is bootable, and includes a partition program05:42
blizahwhats the open source alternative to excel?05:42
farruinnjeavis: if you're just installing ubuntu it will walk you through what you need to do05:43
dashblizah: openoffice calc probably05:43
dashit's what i use05:43
blizahwhat about autocad?05:43
blizahknow of any?05:43
dashmmm, nope05:43
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farruinnblizah: openoffice is most like excel, but there is also gnumeric if you wish05:43
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jbahow to install oofice2?05:44
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jeavisfarruin: I need a software that partition from boot05:44
knucksi need serious help05:44
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StoffBox-Steveopenoffice 2 per apt-get done ?05:44
farruinnjeavis: "from boot" as in the install CD, LiveCD, or harddrive?05:44
knuckswho can PM me and can help me with all my problems?05:45
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dashknucks: for how much money?-)05:45
farruinnknucks: that's not the best way to get help05:45
knucksok well i need some help then05:45
farruinnknucks: just ask your questions here, if people know the answers they will help05:45
LinuxJonesknucks, rolf05:45
tuxJr_14jba: apt-get install openoffice05:45
knucksall right05:45
knuckswell i tried getting mp3 support on my copy of ubuntu05:45
knucksto no avail05:45
knucksrhythmbox freezes when i try to play an mp305:46
scorpixjba: apt-get install openoffice.org205:46
knucksand then i tried installing xmms (which i think I did) but i dont know how to launch it05:46
tgagah ooffice2 is fugly05:46
jeavisfarruinn: yes as install cd05:46
tgascorpix: not yet, openoffice 1 is still nicer05:46
blizahi just installed ubuntu yesterday, is ati catalyst for linux easy to install?05:46
kingsley_Is there an application which renders 3d text like gltext, but which also allows you to choose the text's orientation and font/05:47
knucksso my question is, how do i launch xmms and put it on my panel?05:47
farruinnjeavis: the installer uses parted05:47
dashknucks: are you using hoary?05:47
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knucksi dont know?05:47
dashwait never mind05:47
knuckshow do i check05:47
knucksim new to the whole linux thing all together05:47
dashokay, if you were you'd know :)05:47
dashno big deal05:47
socklerhttp://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041203_15.html#4 ... what does /target stand for??05:48
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tgablizah: apt-cache search fglrx05:48
LinuxJonesubuntu-artwork package is broken ??05:48
knucksso can you help me then?05:48
StoffBox-Steveapt-get install openoffice.org2 << update OF1.3 or is it a new install ?05:48
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tgaopenoffice.org2 is fugly and it's still in beta, use ooffice 105:49
dashknucks: for the first test, the easiest thing to do is just to hit 'Run' on the applications menu05:49
tuxJr_14hey, why dont we make a qt/xdialog/xmessege/gtk based installer for ubuntu?05:49
dashknucks: and type in xmms05:49
speeli think all software ( not security updates ) updates are on freeze or somthing05:49
blizahtga are the three fglrx the things i install for a radeon 9800 pro?...and do i still download ati's catalyst?05:49
tgatuxJr_14: you go ahead and write one05:49
scorpixStoffBox-Steve: it'll install OOo2 without removing OOo105:49
tuxJr_14it wont be tough.05:49
tuxJr_14but will be heavy05:49
dashtga: it's only fugly if you don't have the gtk integration :)05:49
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farruinntuxJr_14: the installer is text based to save room on the disc05:50
StoffBox-Stevethx scorpix :) thats the info i want05:50
farruinnat least to my knowledge05:50
knucksdash: nope nothing05:50
tgablizah: as far as I know you only get the fglrx kernel module and driver.. it should just work05:50
StoffBox-Stevesure tga whats why i ask :)05:50
tgadash: I got the -gnome package but I'm not sure what to do with it.. I'm getting the win32 look with the crappy icons05:50
dashknucks: Hmm. Not even an error message? Interesting05:50
dashtga: yeah, i got that originally05:50
knucksit seems like it does something but nothing launches05:50
tuxJr_14knuck: are you using the downloaded iso or the shipped cd?05:50
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knucksshipped cd..but it updated a whole lot once i installed05:51
tgadash: so what did you do to it?05:51
blizahtga, fglrx-control, fglrx-driver, and fglrx-driver-dev are what popuped up when i searched under syanptic05:51
blizahinstall all three?05:51
dashtga: it got fixed when i installed -gnome05:51
tgablizah: I think you need the fglrx-driver and the linux-restricted-modules for your kernel05:51
dashknucks: Truly odd05:51
dashknucks: do other sounds play?05:51
knucksi dont think so05:51
tuxJr_14farruinn, that's what05:51
knuckswhere can i check05:52
dashknucks: Do you get sounds when you login?05:52
knucksno i dont believe so05:52
tgablizah: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto05:52
tuxJr_14tga, i'm already working on one. i'm still planning on how to go about it and which widget to use.05:52
dashknucks: okay, then mp3s are not your main problem, i bet05:52
knuckslet me try tho05:52
haydenhow do i compile a c program?05:52
knucksi still cant get xmms working05:52
tgatuxJr_14: use Athena.. they're great!05:52
dashhayden: one you wrote?05:52
speelhayden: gcc program.c -o programname05:52
knucksand rhythmbox doesnt play anything...05:52
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knucksso i dont want to use it05:52
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knucksi want to get rid of rhythbox and use xmms05:52
blizahtga, k tnx05:53
dashknucks: well, it looks like this isn't a rhythmbox problem05:53
tuxJr_14tga: i dont know athena. who is she? ;-)05:53
karstenAnyone got a package count for Warty?05:53
tgaimho Ubuntu should reuse the SuSE installer, if it's GPLd05:53
speelpackage count?05:53
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tgatuxJr_14: Athena is a really nice and portable widget set05:53
dashtga: bwahahaha05:53
keezsomeone help-me please05:53
tuxJr_14tga, it is. it's already being used by SCO also.05:53
keezi need help wiht ubuntu05:54
karstenkeez: ask.05:54
dashtuxJr_14: what! motif is _clearly_ superior05:54
tuxJr_14tga: is it easy to learn?05:54
farruinnwouldn't a graphical installer require an X server?05:54
keezi need to configurate a dsl conection in my ubuntu05:54
dashfarruinn: No.05:54
knucksdash: what should i do?05:54
dashknucks: Hmm05:54
tuxJr_14farruinn, that's a yes and a no05:54
tgatuxJr_14: yeah, this will be great.. the only installer using Athena that I know of is the old Solaris one05:55
karstenkeez: You got a DSL modem or router?05:55
farruinntuxJr_14, dash: heh, ok I'm too tired to ask more about that =)05:55
keezdsl modem05:55
uMkuludsl modem is connected to my machine via cat cable and not USB correct?05:55
tgatuxJr_14: it's professional stuff05:55
karstenkeez: It provides DHCP?05:55
knucksand permissions give me a headache..but dont get me started on that05:55
keezi think yes05:55
tuxJr_14tga: can you elaborate?05:55
knucksi at least want to get something accomplished tonight..05:55
tuxJr_14farruinn, we can also use ggi or fbdev05:56
tgatuxJr_14: I'd rather not05:56
karstenkeez: Control Panel.  Network config.  Set up a DHCP connection for your ethernet card.05:56
farruinnknucks: permissions protect you from yourself05:56
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keezonly this?05:56
dashknucks: okay so!05:56
knucksI'm all ears05:56
keezi think yes05:56
karstenknucks: Don't laugh, he's not kidding.05:56
dashknucks: go to file manager (look in applications -> system tools)05:56
tgaI don't think there's anything in the world to protect knucks from himself05:56
karstenCould someone provide me a package count for Warty?05:56
dashknucks: and go to /usr/share/sounds05:56
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speelkarsten: lol alot?05:57
dashfarruinn: there's a version of gtk that runs in the framebuffer05:57
knucksdash: um..i dont see it?05:57
tgakarsten: # apt-cache search " " |wc -l05:57
dashknucks: sorry, File Browser05:57
keezkarsten, its a speedstream 5200, do you know?05:57
tgakarsten: this is Hoary though05:57
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dashknucks: and type /usr/share/sounds in the location box05:57
farruinndash: ah, I see05:57
blizahsudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.           my question is which matches my kernal05:57
tuxJr_14is there any ggi based xdialog kinda stuff available in ubuntu repository05:58
karstenspeel: grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages | wc -l05:58
blizahim a big n00b05:58
tgablizah: you mean linux-image-68605:58
knucksdash: thats not there as well05:58
karstentga: I'm not on a ubuntu box05:58
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haydenwhat packages do i need to install for compiling c programs05:58
tgakarsten: I just gave you a rough estimate of Hoary05:58
karstentga: Woah.  That's more than I'd've thought.05:58
dashknucks: Ah, drat, i'm using a different version of ubuntu from you. sorry05:58
karstentga: You got Universe or whatever it is in there?05:58
speelapt-get install build-essential* or just get the gcc compiler05:59
knucksok hold on let me go to that folder tho05:59
karstenkeez: Shouldn't really matter.05:59
Marble2Okay, can someone help me out? I've had this problem for a while and no one has been able to help me :(. I don't have any sound in vlc under linx. I get these errors when I open a video file05:59
blizahtga, thats just what that web site says...how do i know which matches my kernal05:59
tgakarsten: that's the problem, it depends on what sources you use05:59
Marble2[00000217]  mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:19205:59
knucksusr/share/sounds u said?05:59
tgablizah: what are you trying to do again?05:59
Marble2 [00000219]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp/)05:59
karstentga: Yeah.  Stock sources.05:59
keezoh god05:59
blizahtga ati drivers05:59
Marble2I googled for the oss error (which seems to be the root of the problem) and basically what I got was people saying "I reverted to 0.7 or I updated my distro and it worked" or other ranom things05:59
dashknucks: OK cool05:59
farruinnMarble2: vlc is trying to use the sound device directly, you need to configure it to use esd or kill esd05:59
tgablizah: uname -a to get your kernel version05:59
karstentga: the case I'm trying to make is that Debian's got ~17.5k packages, Ubuntu slims that down a lot.05:59
knucksok im in it05:59
farruinnMarble2: at least that's my guess05:59
tgablizah: uname -r really, but -a looks better05:59
keezi thin i never use ubuntu linux whith my dsl connection06:00
blizahtga hehe06:00
Marble2I tried killing esd earlier and that didn't work06:00
Marble2someone told me to do that06:00
tgakarsten: maybe they can't/won't maintain all of the debian packages06:00
Marble2what exactly does esd do06:00
keezthis is a sh****06:00
Marble2and how would I try to configure it to use esd?06:00
dashMarble2: i usually do "esdctl off"06:00
dashand then "esdctl on" when done06:00
farruinnMarble2: esd = enlightenment sound daemon, allows multiple applications to use the sound device06:00
farruinnat least that's my understanding06:01
knucksdash: i can play the .wav files06:01
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dashknucks: well, okay06:01
dashthat's a first step06:01
karstentga: http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Mar-2005/msg00010.html06:01
tgathe Ubuntu drums gave me quite a scare earlier.. I had my speakers turned up when I logged in06:01
Marble2dash: what does that do?06:01
karstentga: Crack-smoking fiend an a bender.  Makes a semi-sound claim that there's too much stuff in Linux.06:02
keezim from brazil06:02
knucksso how do i get xmms to work06:02
dashkarsten: ha ha "educators"06:02
keezim not undertanding very well what you say06:02
tgakarsten: there _is_ too much stuff in most distros06:02
dashknucks: well first, what comes up when you double click on a wav file? totem?06:02
keezmy english is poor06:02
farruinnknucks: probably an esd thing again - in preferences make sure the output plugin is eSound06:03
tgakarsten: in most default installs I should say06:03
knucksif thats the movie player, then yes06:03
karstendash: I'm not proud of it, but here's my first response to his stuff: http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Mar-2005/msg00008.html06:03
dashknucks: OK right06:03
karstendash: I'm starting to realize I'm never going to get this hour of my life back....06:03
karstentga: Not the way *I* install Debian there's not ;-)06:03
dashknucks: so i'd try dragging an mp3 file onto that and seeing if it will play it06:03
farruinnknucks: you'll have to install a plugin to play mp3's with xmms I believe06:03
knuckshm ok..06:03
dashkarsten: yes, 5 years of irc has taught me "always avoid arguments with timewasting morons"06:04
knucksfarruinn: i cant even start xmms06:04
tgakarsten: that doesn't give you a customized desktop either06:04
knucksas it didnt come w/ ubuntu, i had to download it..06:04
farruinnknucks: with apt-get or synaptic?06:04
knucksand i installed it but it wont start06:04
karstentga: The hell it doesn't.  I've got my very own tuned, customized console.06:04
karstentga: It's got screen, vim, and w3m, just like it should ;-)06:04
tgagood luck browsing with w3m in the console.. I'll let you know when the 80s are over06:05
karstendash: My objective is to do a moderately convincing job of demonstrating that he's utterly loony.  Hopefully to forget about it evermore.06:05
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tgahappy flaming folks06:06
karstentga: Works amazingly well, actually.  Mind, once I've fleshed stuff out, wmaker goes on.06:06
Xenguytga: w3m actually does graphics, if you want -- it's a bit of fun :-)06:06
knucksso can someone help me get xmms working?06:06
karstenXenguy: Truth.  So does links ;-)06:06
jah_Hello all06:06
dashkarsten: it's a lost cause, the incentive structure in american gov't education is totally backwards06:06
jah_I cannot get X to load. I have tried: xf86config pkgreconfigure xserver-xfree86 (sp?) xfree86 -configure modprobe nvidia06:06
karstendash: There's islands of hope.  I'm working with a school ATM has a lab set up with six, soon to be seven, Linux  boxes.06:06
Xenguykarsten: I run wmaker also - that's 2 things we agree on :-)06:07
farruinnknucks: it should be in the multimedia menu or whatever06:07
dashknucks: anyhow, does totem play mp3s?06:07
jah_When i try to startx it says "(EE) No devices Found" Followed by "no screen found"06:07
jah_ And X server fails to load.06:07
dashjah_: what video hardware?06:07
knucksdash: yes06:07
farruinnknucks: if not hit alt+F2 and type xmms06:07
jah_GeForce 6800gt06:07
dashknucks: Okay cool! that's a first step06:07
karstendash: Mixed distros -- MDK, RH, SuSE, Deb, Ubuntu.  And the facilitator's gung ho to try LTSP06:07
karstenXenguy: Dig.06:07
jah_Mandrake (Xfree?) and Slackware (Xorg) both work fine :(06:07
knucksso i have the mp3 plugin on my kernel..06:08
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knucksnow to get the actual xmms working06:08
knucksi cant even start it06:08
hitriko-samacan i install ubnutu without burning the iso to cd06:09
dashknucks: well, mp3 isn't in your kernel :) totem uses a media framework called gstreamer, and its mp3 support appears to work06:09
dashknucks: anyway i would try opening a terminal and starting xmms from inside it06:09
knucksdash: i did apt-get xmms and it told me its already installed06:09
dashjust to see if it prints anything amazing06:09
knucksso i know i have it..06:09
karstenHrm.  Looks like Ubuntu includes "essentially all of the packages available in the Debian repositories".  But the installer has a pre-tuned subset?06:09
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hitriko-sama...? can i install ubuntu without having a cd? like install it off of my computer?06:10
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jah_dash, any ideas?06:10
knucksdash: how do i open xmms from the terminal?06:10
Xenguyknucks: type -> xmms   ?06:10
knucksok did that06:10
knucksthis is what i get:06:10
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dashknucks: type 'xmms'06:11
knuckslibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory06:11
knucksand theit goes on to say more..06:11
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dashknucks: http://rafb.net/paste06:11
Xenguyknucks: what output does this give -> dpkg -l libmikmod206:12
knucksdpkg: unknown option -106:12
Xenguyknucks: 'ell', not 'one' :-)06:13
hitriko-samacan i install ubnutu without burning the iso to cd06:13
knucksoh hah06:13
SiRrUsgood evening06:13
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duncanmi want to use Sound Juicer, but it doesn't make mp3s06:13
knucksoh /failed-config/Half-installed06:14
duncanmis there anything i can do about that?06:14
jah_ok no1 can help here either? :/06:14
Marble2by default, where is my sound card located06:14
jah_ /dev/dsp06:14
dashknucks: the first two letters of the last line are the important part06:15
dashknucks: it probably either says 'pn' or 'ii'06:15
andy__say i have button one, button two, and button three (no scroll wheel).  how would i go about writing a config entry (or something) to scroll whenever i hold down button 3, and move the mouse up or down?06:15
Xenguyknucks: apt-get install libmikmod206:15
knucksE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)06:16
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knucksE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?06:16
Xenguyknucks: sudo06:16
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packman_ehello all06:16
knucksugh i knew that..06:16
Xenguyknucks: sudo apt-get install libmikmod206:16
knucksdid that06:16
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knucksxmms loaded06:17
knucksnow how do i put it in my panel?06:17
packman_ejust figured out why the ubuntu website took ages to load06:17
packman_emy bastard internet reset itself06:17
packman_ei started to wonder when i was the only one in the room talking to myself for 10 minutes06:18
blizahive installed the ati control pannel to use for dual monitors but where is the file to run it?06:18
Marble2how can I configure esd?06:18
Quaruptwell i spent all that time getting gaim-vv to work and now i lost the ability to send files via msn06:19
blizahive done a whereis and it said was in /user/share/fglxr but theres only a file called diversions in there with one file06:19
knucksxmms works06:19
knucksnow how do i throw it up in the panel?06:19
Errejoknucks, create a launcher06:19
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dashknucks: well06:19
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dashknucks: is it not on the Sound & Video menu?06:20
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SiRrUshave you logged out and back in06:20
dashyou shouldn't have to06:20
SiRrUsyep at times you do06:20
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knucksill try it later06:21
Marble2does anyone have the homepage for esd? I can't find it in google06:21
knuckscan you guys please help me real quick w/ firefox?06:21
blizahnevermind i found it06:21
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Xenguyknucks: ambitious, aren't we? :-)06:21
dashknucks: anyway, to add a launcher just right click on the panel and click "add to panel"06:21
knucksahh ok06:21
knucksill try that tomorrow06:22
SiRrUsMarble2 type esd in your browser it should show you the home page06:22
knucksi want to get firefox working so i can sleep well06:22
Xenguyknucks: does FF not "just work" ?06:22
knucksi have firefox .9 right now..and i download 1.006:22
knuckshow do i "upgrade"06:22
Marble2electrostatic discharge association?06:23
Xenguyknucks: what command did you use to "download 1.0" ?06:23
knucksi got it off mozilla.org06:23
SiRrUsisnt there more to choose from Marble206:23
Xenguyknucks: you should use 'apt-get'06:23
StoffBox-SteveXenguy, downlaod it over the website06:23
ljlaneMarble2, it's easy to find as "esound", but Eric hasn't touched it in years. I think the GNOME folks are updating it these days.06:23
knuckswhat do i type in to get it by aptget?06:23
Xenguyknucks: apt-get update ; apt-get install <packagename>06:23
Xenguyknucks: er, prepend 'sudo' to that06:24
knuckssudo apt-get firefox-1.0.1 ?06:24
Marble2ljlane: are there any viable alternatives other than esd?06:24
StoffBox-Steveknucks, unpack the it, than install the where you what and set it up as the standart browser06:24
Xenguyknucks: do -> dpkg -l *firefox*06:24
Xenguyknucks: that should tell you the package to apt-get06:24
StoffBox-Steveknucks, unpack it, than install it where you what,  than set it up as the standart browser  << look better ..06:24
Quaruptanyone have a webcam, i wanna test this gaim-vv see if it was worth all the rouble06:24
dashXenguy: aptitude is more fun06:25
ljlaneMarble2: alsa with the dmix plug-in is nice06:25
Xenguydash: for you perhaps ;-)06:25
StoffBox-SteveQuarupt, gaim-vv .. get it over apt ? ...06:25
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knucksknucks@knucks:~ $ dpkg -l *firefox*06:25
knucksNo packages found matching firefox-1.0.1.installer.tar.gz.06:25
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dashyeah, not so good of an idea06:25
Errejothis is pretty nice for newbies btw : http://www.ubuntuguide.org/06:25
dashknucks: the package name is mozilla-firefox06:25
packman_ecan anyone reccomend a good linux tutorial or linux book please06:25
StoffBox-Steveknucks, you run warty or hoary ?06:25
Xenguyknucks: change to a different directory, then re-run the 'dpkg' command06:25
uMkuluXenguy: that doesn't look right06:25
knuckshell if i know06:26
XenguyuMkulu: ?06:26
uMkului don't know, xenguy06:26
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dashknucks: if you installed it off a CD and have not edited /etc/apt/sources.list, it is warty :)06:26
XenguyuMkulu: bot?06:26
uMkuluit has been said that bot is refusing to co-operate06:26
dashXenguy: no06:26
dashXenguy: * doesn't work like you think it does06:26
knucksknucks@knucks:/ $ dpkg -l *firefox*06:26
knucks| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed06:26
knucks|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)06:26
Xenguydash: sigh06:26
knucks||/ Name           Version        Description06:26
knucksii  mozilla-firefo 0.99+1.0PR.1+r lightweight web browser based on Mozilla06:26
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dashknucks: well there you go, it's already installed06:27
Xenguyknucks: apt-get update ; apt-get install mozilla-firefox06:27
Xenguydash: he wants to upgrade06:27
StoffBox-SteveXenguy, when he run warty, the last version of firefox for him is 0.9.3 .. 1.0.1 is not for warty ( wasnt for a few days :D )06:28
Xenguyknucks: er, sudo etc. etc.06:28
dashXenguy: yeah but he's running warty, and AFAICT that's the latest06:28
XenguyStoffBox-Steve: ahh, OK (I'm not actually on an Ubu box right ATM :-)06:28
knucksthis is all great and all, but what do i do?06:28
Xenguydash: nod06:28
Xenguyknucks: hey, my main box is debian -- what can I do ;-)06:29
Quaruptanyone know what port(s) the remote desktop app in hoary uses? theres no way to change it so i just wanna know what the default is?06:29
knucksso how do i upgrade to 1.0.106:29
StoffBox-Steveknucks, just unpack it than go to the floder ( per console ) and > sh firefox.bin ( think ) what i look06:29
Xenguyknucks: StoffBox-Steve is suggesting wait for a few days for the package to come down the pipe :-)06:29
StoffBox-Steveknucks, you cant upgrade firefox to 1.0.1 on warty over apt-get .. but wait :D06:30
Xenguyknucks: or you could *gasp* upgrade to hoary (and risk breaking all kinds of things -- fun, fun ;-)06:30
knucksyeh i got the gz file06:31
knucksi extracted it06:31
Quaruptanyone know what port(s) the remote desktop app in hoary uses? theres no way to change it so i just wanna know what the default is?06:31
StoffBox-Stevewell a real hell, upgrade the frist time kill my whole system .. set up new and upgrade it again .. work *puhh* i was so happy :D06:31
Quaruptoops sorry didnt mean to repeat06:31
knucksi guess ill wait then06:31
Quaruptusual your not here anymore are ya06:31
Xenguyknucks: it can get messy to mix compiling programs by hand, with apt-get's package system -- I don't recommend it (you don't need the latest FF that bad)06:31
knucksok quick question then..06:32
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knucksi got a partition thats still ntfs (has all my movies and mp3s)06:32
knuckshow can i access it?06:32
ErrejoQuarupt, my guess is 590006:32
Quaruptokay, how can i be sure?06:32
StoffBox-Steveknucks, you get the installer of firefox or the normal package ?06:32
dashknucks: Hmm. well, it'll be read-only access, for one thing06:32
StoffBox-Stevewhats the name of the file you downloaded ?06:33
ErrejoQuarupt, read the manual :)06:33
Quaruptis there a script or GUI to configure VNC?06:33
Xenguyknucks: good question - linux is mostly NTFS read-only ATM -- I'd be tempted to consider converting to vfat, but if you try that, back up everything first ;-)06:33
StoffBox-Steveok :D06:33
dashknucks: Crud. I know how to do this from the command line and by editing config files, but not from the gnome tools :)06:33
StoffBox-Stevejust wait i sec i downlaod it ... :D06:33
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knucksXenguy: whats the best way to transfer files from the ntfs to a linux partition and then delete the ntfs one and make it a linux one?06:34
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StoffBox-Steveok knucks , unpack the file06:34
knucksk done..06:34
knucksits in /home/firefox-installer..06:34
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StoffBox-Steveok browse to /home/firefox-installer/06:35
Xenguyknucks: I haven't tried messing with NTFS -- see if you can mount NTFS and use 'cp' to transfer a file  ?06:35
Errejoknucks, cd to dir, and go ./INSTALL06:35
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Xenguyknucks: from NTFS to linux partition06:35
knucksStoffBox-Steve: ok done that..06:35
StoffBox-Stevesimple > sh firefox-installer  Errejo :D FF have a install-gui06:35
FeloNeed assistance in configuring wireless conection..06:36
StoffBox-Steveok in a console i hope knucks ;D06:36
StoffBox-Steveok dann > sh firefox-installer06:36
StoffBox-Stevedann / than06:36
knuckswhat folder should i install it in06:36
StoffBox-Stevenow a easy to use WindowsLike installer comes up :D06:37
StoffBox-Stevethere you what knucks . i have a extra floder for software calles _programms in my homedir06:37
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knucksi cant seem to install it in /usr/bin/06:37
knuckswont let me06:37
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blizahhow do i make the app that lets you browse your hard drive not open a new window and leave the the old one each time you go from folder to folder?06:38
_dev_anyone know how or where I can get larger pointers?06:38
StoffBox-Stevewhen you whant that knucks ... cannel the installer and do > sudo sh firefox-installer06:38
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_dev_I wanna make my pointer bigger06:38
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FeloNeed to configure wireless device...06:38
knucksim confused steve06:38
FeloWireless USB conection06:39
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dash_dev_: i keep getting spam about that06:39
StoffBox-Steve/usr/bin can only be access as ROOT user knucks, when you use sudo you make thinks as ROOTUSER06:39
_dev_haha was that a joke06:40
knucksi already made a Programs folder in my home directory..06:40
dashinstalling things as root yourself is sadness06:40
dashknucks: yeah, don't put it in /usr/bin06:40
StoffBox-Stevethat installed it to that folder :D06:40
knucksi installed firefox into /home/knucks06:40
knucksso how do i make it default and get rid of .9 now06:40
StoffBox-Steveok than you have a new folder called > firefox in it :D06:40
blizahanyone know?...ive looked in preferances and cant see anything to do this option06:41
dashknucks: that's hard06:41
dashknucks: the easy way to do that is upgrade to hoary, unfortunately.06:41
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StoffBox-Stevetype > gnome-default-applications-properties in the consoel a gui come up where you can set the standart programms06:41
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knucksok i guess im done for tonight06:43
StoffBox-Steveon the web browser tab  check custom and type in somethink like that > home/steve/_programme/firefox/firefox %s  the %s is a wildcard for the websiteaddress :D06:43
knucksthanks for all your help06:43
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Errejoblizah, view - preferences I guess06:43
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lukewarmfirst boot into hoary   =)06:43
blizahive been in edit-preferances06:43
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blizahcant see the option anywehre06:43
knuckszzz guys06:43
Tjdwdoes hoary have good mono/gtk# support?06:43
imaekHello. Does anyone here know how to use 'mencoder'?06:43
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Marble2Is there any way for me to setup hotkeys in XMMS?06:44
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Errejoblizah, behaviour - always open in browser windows works kinda like that06:44
Xenguyknucks: yw06:44
imaekDoes anyone here know how I can convert some .WMA songs to .MP3 (possibly using mencoder)?06:45
blizahah i guess that works06:45
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blizahdo you guys have it where it keeps the last window?06:45
blizahgets annoying :D06:45
blizaherrejo also, this is kind of obscure, but is there any way to change the default size?06:46
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blizahsomeobody needs to make file viewing auto size the filename, size, type so it fits readable as best it can06:48
neomDoes anyone know how to view all the current mounts?06:49
dashneom: 'mount' will tell you06:49
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unamaushello alll06:50
unamausdoes anyone know how to setup dual monitors? i use a radeon06:50
dashi would like to know that too!06:50
unamausi also need to know how to get my scsi drives to show (only the primary shows)06:51
Tjdwunamaus, dash: do you have video cards with dual monitor ports?06:52
unamausati radeon 980006:52
TjdwIf so, I think the drivers should recognize the combined monitors as one, and allow you to use some resolution that is double-width, etc.06:52
Tjdwand the card should translate06:53
stuNNedanyone else having troubles with slowness and hoary i've put up some packages to temporarily fix: http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/xorg_downgrade/06:53
dashTjdw: yeah, but you gotta smack xorg.conf a bit to make it work, last i checked06:53
Quaruptdoes ubuntu come with and burning software? like K3b or Xcdroast?06:53
imaekDoes anyone here know how I can convert some .WMA songs to .MP3 (possibly using mencoder)?06:53
dashQuarupt: yes, k3b.06:53
Quarupti didnt see it in any menus06:53
imaek(21:53:09) SoccerIsTheBest: narutos gay :@06:53
imaek(21:53:12) SoccerIsTheBest: i saw 3 epsiodes06:53
imaek(21:53:15) SoccerIsTheBest: and than i waas like06:53
imaek(21:53:16) SoccerIsTheBest: dbzs better06:53
Quaruptmust have to use a console06:54
unamausthe driver is an rpm06:54
Tjdwdash: I've not had to edit xorg.conf ever, so sorry.06:54
unamausi'm new to ubuntu so i'm very unfamiliar with getting the ati linux driver installed06:54
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Quaruptdash,  I had to apt-get install it06:55
unamausi wish there was something in the apt-get06:55
dashTjdw: Yeah, i've had to because of running kernels that don't support AGP. It's not exciting :)06:55
dashQuarupt: yes06:55
neomI'm getting some messed up mount errors.06:55
dashunamaus: there is! but06:55
dashunamaus: you have to add the multiverse repo to your apt config06:55
dashunamaus: do you use synaptic?06:55
blizahanyway to make the gdesklet rss-grab bigger in height so i can see more articles?06:56
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unamauswhat would i be looking for?06:56
dashunamaus: click on settings -> repositories06:56
monoxidehas anyone ever had troubles by just updateing a few packages instead of all the packages?06:57
dashthen click add06:57
dashmonoxide: that's never a problem, it will automatically pull the ones it needs06:57
neomAnyone have any suggestions on this error?06:57
neom7347: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - 7106:57
neomSMB connection failed06:57
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dashunamaus: check Universe and Multiverse06:57
monoxidewell HAL has killed itself, and bash says "I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $" as the prompt06:57
dashunamaus: making sure you pick the version you're using (hoary or warty)06:58
dashunamaus: close that, then update06:58
unamausmy repositories has only "new" when i list sections it shows contrib, multiverse, univers06:58
dashunamaus: OK06:59
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unamauswhat am i looking for?06:59
dashunamaus: linux-restricted-modules06:59
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unamausah Base Systems07:00
monoxideplus gedit is VERY slow and so is nautilus07:00
monoxideand i updated all of those last night, and i have only had problems since last night07:00
monoxideexcept bash07:00
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kamarudinhello all, how can i total remove prism54 module from my system07:01
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unamaushmm should i upgrade to linux-686?07:01
unamauschat my machine is a xeon07:01
dashMUD damage!07:02
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unamausyeah sorry07:02
chzi have a question for anybody....my computer died recently and i think it maybe the power supply (i hope its just the power supply). i try plugging it in but nothing turns on...is there a way to test the power supply itself to see if it truly is the problem?07:02
dashunamaus: np :)07:02
unamauschz hehe i had that same problem07:02
j-rockchz: swap it with a different power supply07:02
dashchz: well, if the fans don't even turn on, it's almost definitely the power supply07:02
j-rockthats about the best way i have07:02
unamauschz reset the board if youve already tried07:03
chzit should at least click rite..?07:03
chzlike the PS fan should just move a small notch when plugged in correct..07:03
chzPS=power supply....jic..07:03
unamauschz actually can u reset your mobo?07:03
chzi thinxo...not to sure..07:04
chzi have to look at the mobo manual...07:04
Errejohow come there's no ops here ?07:04
unamauschz try resetting it sometimes its the mobo preventing the PS from turning on especially if this is a new atx board07:04
chzi even tried unplugging the PS from the mobo to see if it would click...still nothing..07:04
dashErrejo: stealth ninja ops07:04
chzyeah..it is a new atx board...07:05
dashErrejo: you never see them until it is too late07:05
chzi just installed all this a few weeks ago...was a pain...but i got it to work...now its dead..=(07:05
Errejodash, uhm .. ok07:05
unamausdash should i be upgrading my linux kernel to linux-686-SMP?07:05
blizahhow do i get the firefox that comes with ubuntu to use a life text find?...like as i type the letters it finds them as i type them07:05
dashunamaus: well, if you have SMP intel CPUs, then it probably won't huty07:06
dasher, hurt07:06
chzblizah: upgrade to firefox 1.0...you'd have to update ur repositories with the ones on ubuntuguide.org07:06
unamausok thanks xeons are by nature smp07:07
dashunamaus: how many do you have?07:07
blizahcan i do that w/ out going to hedgehog or whatever its called?07:07
unamausits a dual xeon07:07
unamausthey only work in pairs hehe07:07
chzyeah..its not hoary-fied..07:07
blizahas it stands does my firefox contain the latest security fixes?07:08
unamausas for the dual monitor stuff i don't seem to find anything regarding that07:08
chzits still warty...i think it maybe a lil buggy...i've been experiencing sum firefox closing...07:08
unamausnow i found it07:08
unamausi don't remember reloading07:09
unamausi'm more of a hardware junkie than a software one which explains my newbness07:10
chzso...anybody one last question...i must use an ATX power supply....i cant try with an old P2 machines power supply..?07:10
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unamausumm no07:10
StoffBox-Stevesomeone can tell me a nice FTP client for Ubuntu ?07:10
dashStoffBox-Steve: nautilus? :)07:11
chzStoffBox-Steve: i use gftp...07:11
unamausas a matter of voltage and motherboard safety i suggest u don't unless your p2 has p4 4pin power07:11
dashwho uses ftp these days, though?07:11
StoffBox-Stevenautilus is foobar at FTP *GG*07:11
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dashother than warez kiddies07:11
unamaus*raises his hand*07:11
lukewarmanother vote for gftp07:11
dashunamaus: really! by choice?07:11
chzunamaus: gotcha....i'll go and purchase one...if its the case..i'll keep it...if not..just return it..=P07:11
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chzhopefully it is...i'd hate for my computer to have been fried...i just spent 7 bills to get this thing together...07:12
StoffBox-Stevedash, i have my Own Webserver ... how i uplaod file ? per FTP right ?!07:12
unamausactually when it comes to software i'm very behind07:12
dashStoffBox-Steve: i'd use sftp07:12
unamauschz do you happen to know what chipset and mobo u got?07:12
monoxideso as i said, HAL is not working... and its causing things to be screwy07:12
dashmonoxide: "i'm sorry dave, I can't let you access that device"07:13
unamausi could give you a heads up on what is more likely to survive a straight shot voltage surge07:13
unamausssvs is when a line conditioner or surge protector doesn't curve out power spikes07:13
chzi got the new Sempron 2400+....with a soyo kt600 dragon plus07:13
StoffBox-Stevea link for a preview of sftp / gftp ? anyone ?07:13
dashmonoxide: sorry, 2001 reference ;)07:13
dashStoffBox-Steve: sftp is a protocol07:14
dashit does not suck like ftp does07:14
dashif you can use ssh, you can use sftp07:14
dashnautilus speaks it07:14
lukewarmgftp does sftp (ftp is plaintext protocol like telnet, sftp is secure like ssh)07:14
monoxideheh... i wanted to watch that movie, but never got around to it...07:14
StoffBox-Stevei know but you must use a client too :D07:14
chzunamaus: i got the new Sempron 2400+....with a soyo kt600 dragon plus (c/p)07:14
unamausoow... i'll bet the northbridge is located just right of the agp slot07:14
monoxidelukewarm, sftp == ftp with SSL encryption07:15
dashexcept it isn't ssl07:15
chzunamaus: wuts the northbridge..?07:15
dashor ftp07:15
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unamausheh do u have a nic card laying around?07:15
dashit's file transfer over ssh07:15
unamausif so stick it on the topmost pci slot you have and plug your tower for power07:16
chzhmm..i believe so...i'd have to look around for one..07:16
unamausif the nic card lights up or even blinks then your in luck07:16
mipsHelp. With hoary array 5 AMD64 how can I specify wich kernel to install ?07:16
chzok...and if it doesnt..?07:17
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monoxidemips, apt-get install linux-image-version-arch07:17
StoffBox-Stevehmm that sounds to be a good way :D have you a link for more information about that dash ?07:17
monoxideput in version number and architechture07:17
mipsmonoxide, i want to specify this during the cd install07:17
monoxidewell then it has to be on the cd, and i would think that there is only one version on the cd?07:18
chzunamaus: would it be the power supply if it doesnt flash..?07:19
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unamauschat no it would be the board07:19
unamaussorry argh i keep doing that07:19
siimohi where did the 4-5MB boot iso go? there used to be a daily one for hoary07:19
mipsmonoxide, not sure what kernels are on the cd but it isntalls the amd6-generic kernel. I will go a normal install and then do a apt-get07:19
unamauschat current boards allow PS to bypass to PCI power feeds for nic cards specifically07:20
unamausi never understood why07:20
dashStoffBox-Steve: hmm? just do "sftp://somehost.foo/home/me/" in nautilus07:20
unamauswhich is why when your PS is unplugged your nic card indicater still blinks07:21
lukewarmnetwork nic card07:21
lukewarmautomatic atm machine07:22
lukewarmpersonal pin number07:22
unamausonboard nic is another method but usually they drain faster than nic cards so u won't be able to see flashing while its off07:22
monoxiderpg games07:22
sic|has anyone tried to install the dvd version of UT2004 in linux?07:22
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unamauschz you still should reset your bios (set jumper to reset) for a couple seconds07:23
unamausbecause even saying the board ain't powering doesn't mean much07:23
unamausor one way is to get a tester (voltage tester) and stick it to the cmos battery (take cmos battery off) i've seen other techs do that07:25
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chzi got DMM...would that help..?07:25
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Hikaru79Can Windows read an ext3 partition, or Linux an NTFS partition?07:26
unamausi don't usually do that, due to fear of cross connecting negative positive connectors07:26
chzDMM's wouldnt matter..it would just give u a negative number =P07:26
mipsAnybody have any recommendation on how to partion a 160GB disk for Ubuntu ?07:26
unamaushow do i run fglrx?07:26
unamaussorry if i sound noobish i am very very noobish07:27
monoxideHikaru79, i believe there is a driver on sourceforge that allows that, but out of the box, no.07:27
Hikaru79monoxide, allows which one? Both?07:27
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unamausNTFS is a windows thing07:27
da_bon_bonhi all07:27
monoxidemips, i did 4 parts on my 200GB drive07:27
da_bon_bonanyone tried out the kde 3.4 packages ?07:27
monoxidethe ext3 partition07:28
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unamausheh dunno how that helps07:28
monoxideno idea about ntfs on linux07:28
monoxideHikaru79, tell me if you find something. i wanna run a ubuntu/XP dualboot on here.07:28
mipsmonoxide, why 4 ? And what type/size are they ?07:29
unamausso umm any idea on how i can run this fglrx?07:29
da_bon_bonand tell me, what is the use of emacs ? if i dont ever use it, is it ok to remvoe it ?07:29
unamauswow emacs haven't heard of that in so long07:29
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chzo wow..it turned on..>???07:29
chzhow wierd..07:29
monoxidemips, i have 3 HDDs. i can /msg you my fstab if you want07:30
unamauschz so which advice did u take?07:30
chzi've been trying for so long to get this thing to work...wow...07:30
da_bon_bonanyone tried out the kde 3.4 packages ?07:30
chzactually...i took the power supply out...and then reconnected it to check the nic card..07:30
mipsmonoxide, thanks, that would be nice. I currently looking at the partioning screen for my setup07:30
chzthen hit the power button...07:30
chzbut i did that like...50 times already..07:31
unamausthen guess what07:31
unamauschat one of your pci slots is fried07:31
dashemacs is a programmer's best friend (after python)07:31
dashbut if you never use it you can of course remove it.07:31
chzhmm...how do i check that out...07:31
da_bon_bondash: but what if i dont use it ? is it 'safe' to rmeove - ?07:31
unamaustake the nic card out relocate it to another07:32
unamausand another until the mobo don't switch on07:32
dashda_bon_bon: besides, if it wasn't it would show you all the things that removing emacs would remove07:32
chzdo u think it could also be the harddrive..cuz i think my hard drive is fried..?07:32
unamausbtw if you have any other pci peripherals like a sound card or firewire card use it on the topmost slot07:32
unamauschz nah your hd should be ok07:33
unamauschat your nic card uses the least amount of i/o volt07:33
unamausand trust me you don't want that thing on a slot that's close to your nbridge07:33
unamausnic cards don't have good resistors07:33
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unamaussound cards on the other hand are good with ssvs07:34
chzits a long story of how all this happened...power shut off for a sec...then reset the comp...ubuntu wouldnt boot...saying sum fault...so i tried reformatting and isntalling again...but kept givin me errors...07:34
unamauschz i still don't think your hd is fried07:34
chzthen ran a check and it said sumthin bout hda_dma erorrs..or sumthing...07:34
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chzlet it run with ubuntu live....then it shut off by itself...then never started bak on until 2 mins ago..=P07:35
chzhmm...i'll try the switching nic thing..07:35
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unamausso umm where and what do i do to configure this fglrx?07:37
unamaushmm guess i just gotta reboot huh?07:39
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thoreauputicuMkulu: drivers07:39
uMkuludrivers is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu07:39
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unamausthank you07:39
xedI need help with something..07:40
xedWhere can I go and paste an error I am constantly getting to show what the issue is..?07:40
dashxed: http://rafb.net/paste07:40
eleazarhello, anyone can tell me how to config ALSA? coz i tried to run alsaconf and it didnt work, any suggestions?07:40
dasheleazar: what part do you want to configure07:40
thoreauputiceleazar: alsaconf is not included in ubuntu07:41
eleazarthoreauputic, so how do i configure alsa?07:41
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HillTopsI'm logged into the new Hoary live CD and so am a bit of a disadvantage -- my notes and links to help are on my USB thumb drive. How do I mount it R/W or even as read?07:41
dasheleazar: what's to configure?07:41
monoxideapt-get install alsaconf?07:41
thoreauputiceleazar: unfortunately, I don't know07:41
dashmonoxide: probably not07:42
dashHillTops: does the "Computer" window not show it?07:42
eleazardash: well, i want to make my audigy work :/07:42
eleazarmonoxide i tried that and it didnt work07:42
dasheleazar: okay. did you adjust the mixer?07:42
xedhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/qEIGG596.html <-- Thats the error I am constantly getting. =/07:43
ferrisHiltops the OS should recognize it07:43
eleazardash: yeah, but the mixer only detects my onboard card07:43
thoreauputiccrimsun, I think, said alsaconf is deprecated and in danger of being dropped from debian as well07:43
ferrisdo you get an icon in the 'computer' folder?07:43
HillTopsdash, I don't see it,  I looked in /mnt and don't see /sha1 or what ever.07:43
xedcan anyone help me with that? http://rafb.net/paste/results/qEIGG596.html07:44
xedI am getting that same error every friggin single time I install anything07:44
dashHillTops: it'd be in /media, maybe. but i meant in nautilus07:44
HillTopsferris, do I have to unplug it and replug it in??07:44
ferristhe usb drive should be sda107:44
dashHillTops: it couldn't hurt!07:44
ferristry unplugging it07:44
ferrislol dash07:44
HillTopsdash, OK, and I let CD activity die down... and replug it in. OK here goes. :)07:45
xedNo, no one wants to help?07:46
ferrishold on07:46
thoreauputicxed: what is mwavem?07:46
xedthoreauputic, how would I go about knowing that!?07:46
xedI don't really know, it just showed up.. after I tried installing acpi07:46
dashxed: yeah, looks like you need to apt-get remove mwavem07:47
xednow I get the same error for anything07:47
xedwhat IS mwavem!?07:47
ferrisxed, are you using ubuntu?07:47
dashxed: stuff for an mwave modem, i bet.07:47
xedferris, yes07:47
thoreauputicxed: apt-cache search says it's a modem thing07:47
HillTopsOh my !!!! I see it: LEXAR MEDIA. It was there all the time. Didn't recognize such a friendly name. Now how about my old FAT32 hard disk, /dev/hdb1 ??07:47
dashxed: also i am betting you don't have one07:47
xeddash: I don't really know.. don't really use my modem on ubuntu07:47
xedor in windows for that matter. =/07:47
eleazarso, nobody knows how can i set my audigy? :(07:47
thoreauputicxed: if you don't use a modem, purge the package07:48
dashxed: is this a laptop?07:48
xeddash: yes, yes it is07:48
dashxed: hmm. strange07:48
xedthoreauputic, what do you mean, and why/how would I go about doing this?07:48
HillTopsThanks ferris and dash.07:48
ferriseleazar ... apt-get install audigy07:48
thoreauputicxed: sudo apt-get remove --purge mwavem07:48
ferrisHilTops, yw07:48
dashHillTops: i bet there's an fstab entry for it07:48
thoreauputicxed: it's a package07:48
xedthoreauputic, what does that do...?07:49
eleazarferris: very funny..07:49
thoreauputicit removes all trace of the package07:49
xedWhy does it always go there to that package then..?07:49
thoreauputicjust remove it07:49
dashxed: if dpkg fails to install a package the first time, it will retry every time you do anything else07:49
thoreauputicunless you think you need it07:49
xedokay, i purged them..07:50
da_bon_bonhow do i help in translation of ubuntu to hindi language ?07:50
HillTopsdash, The directory of /dev  shows hdb1 as blocked with a red X on the left icon.07:50
xeddash, thats an odd way of doing thigns. =|07:50
dashxed: it usually works07:50
xedYeah, except in this case07:50
xedSo should I try re-installing the acpi?07:50
dashHillTops: so it doesn't show anything in computer:/// ?07:50
xedI need sound man! Sound!07:50
thoreauputicxed: not really - apt doesn't know if you want it ;)07:51
xedthoreauputic, true.. but you know... I'm a long time Windows user. =|07:51
xed(Don't hurt me!)07:51
HillTopsdash, not sure what you mean by computer.07:51
thoreauputicxed: just try agian and see if the error is gone07:51
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dashHillTops: click 'places', then 'computer'07:51
xedit says acpi-support is already the latest version..07:52
boxanyone have a tip on the best way to put java on my system?07:52
dashbox: there's some bits on the wiki07:52
thoreauputicwell you already have it then, don't you?07:52
xed" 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 41 not upgraded. "07:52
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Errejobox, www.ubuntuguide.org07:52
Quarwhere can i get more themes for Ubuntu/gnome?07:53
thoreauputicacpi-support is already installed, obviously07:53
HillTopsdash, it shows CDROM, LEXAR (USB) and FILESYSTEM which is root etc on the RAM disk.07:53
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Quaruptanyone know?07:53
xedthoreauputic, my.. wait-- is the acpi related to the sound drivers?07:53
Xenguybox: is 'java-package' in Ubuntu ?07:54
HillTopsdash, /mnt is empty07:54
thoreauputicxed: no, not AFAIK07:54
xedwhat do you mean not "AFAIK" ?07:54
dashHillTops: of course07:54
dashHillTops: but is /media?07:54
xedthoreauputic, what does that mean?07:54
thoreauputicas far as I know07:54
xedI need to get sound installed and.. some video codecs07:54
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Micksaanyone care to recommend an app for watching a network connection's bandwidth usage over SNMP?07:55
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Micksalike, something that gives a big-arse graph :)07:55
Micksadifferent time-averages would be nice07:55
xed...okay.. so .. I'm lost..07:55
QuaruptI installed Armagetron, but I cany find the bin?07:56
Quaruptanyone know what its called?07:56
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HillTopsdash, I did:  ls /media  and see "windows".   ls /media/windows is empty07:57
xedSo.. how do I go about installing sound drivers in Ubuntu?07:58
GammaRayQuarupt: try dpkg -S Armagetron | grep bin07:58
lunitikGammaRay: you mean -L of course07:59
thoreauputicxed: 1) lspci | grep snd 2) google the chip and find the right driver for it 3) sudo modprobe <driver> 4) put it in /etc/modules08:00
dashHillTops: do try "mount /media/windows"08:00
lunitikGammaRay: -S will tell you where a file came from... for instance dpkg -S /etc/resolv.conf08:00
thoreauputicxed: sorry   lspci | grep audio08:01
GammaRaylunitik: I intended -L yes08:02
da_bon_bonas of now, is it possible to do an install with the live cd ?08:02
lunitikGammaRay: also, no packages have caps in the package name.08:02
lunitikda_bon_bon: no08:02
thoreauputicxed: you can also try  lsmod | grep snd to see what drivers are already loded08:03
HillTopsdash, I think I need something like mkdir /mnt/windows    then mount /media/windows /mnt/windows   ??           Your command made errors...   wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,08:03
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da_bon_bonlunitik: will that ever change in near / distant future ?08:03
dashHillTops: no, but hmm08:03
lunitikda_bon_bon: its in discussion apparently08:03
da_bon_bonlunitik: any links ?08:04
lunitikWhy you'd want that, I don't know, but whatever08:04
sunniehi all!  i want to know if C-Media 9880 has an Alsa driver.08:04
lunitikda_bon_bon: look for it yourself08:04
da_bon_bonlunitik: sure08:04
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GammaRaylunitik: I just pasted back what he gave me.. I have no real way of knowing what the package name actually is08:04
HillTopsdash, how about  mount  /dev/hda1 /media/windows08:04
sunnie? :(08:05
xedthoreauputic, Seems there is already a driver for the sound...08:05
thoreauputicxed: I kind of suspected so08:05
thoreauputicxed: warty or hoary?08:05
dashHillTops: you probably need a "-t ntfs" or "-t vfat" on the end08:05
crimsunsunnie: what's the main dsp?08:05
xedthoreauputic, I still don't know what that means..08:05
xedWarty I think08:05
xedthoreauputic: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rWRXJq24.html08:05
thoreauputicxed: what does  cat /etc/issue  say?08:06
sunniecrimsun: what is a dsp?08:06
HillTopsdash, OK -t vfat  on the end of mount /media/windows;  so mount /media/windows -t vfat     ??08:06
dashHillTops: that other thing you just said08:06
xedthoreauputic, Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l08:06
sunnieI'm sorry, I'm not very linux literate :(08:06
crimsunsunnie: lspci -v (don't flood here) has info on your audio chipset...08:06
thoreauputicxed: OK08:06
crimsunah, the snd-atiixp stuff.08:07
HillTopsdash, ooops that gave many errors. I guess I don't understand this media folder. I'm used to dealing with /dev and /mnt08:07
crimsunxed: what version?08:07
thoreauputicxed: if crimsun has time, maybe he could look at your pastebin output - he knows a bout sound08:07
crimsunxed: (cat /proc/asound/version)08:08
dashHillTops: well, it's just another directory08:08
thoreauputicah , thanks crimsun08:08
xedcrimsun, Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l08:08
dashHillTops: no different from /mnt really08:08
xed"Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 (Mon May 17 14:31:44 2004 UTC).08:08
xedCompiled on Oct 12 2004 for kernel"08:08
dashHillTops: or any other dir08:08
HillTopsdash, OK, but the mount command wants two folders and I don't know what goes with /media/windows08:09
xedcrimsun, ..08:09
crimsunxed: the version of ALSA included with warty's kernel is too old to support your sound chipset properly.08:09
sunniecrimsun: unfortunately, there isn't something in that list that equates to the name of my soundcard, or has audio in it08:09
crimsunxed: please be patient.08:09
xedcrimsun, sorry =(08:09
dashHillTops: no, it wants a device and a directory08:09
dashHillTops: do you know what device your windows partition is on?08:10
Quaruptanyone in here have any luck getting fglrx working?08:10
dashQuarupt: yeah08:10
HillTopsdash, Hmmm Yes, windows is on /dev/hdb1 normaly08:10
crimsunxed: the surefire way of getting it working is to dist-upgrade to Hoary. However - you may try installing the 'alsa-source' package from the 'universe' repository.08:10
dashHillTops: then use that, silly ;)08:10
Quaruptdash, i followed the directions on the Ubuntu guide, but when i startx with the driver, i get stuck in 800x60008:10
xedcrimsun, alright... and I do this by "sudo apt-get install alsa-source" ...?08:11
crimsunxed: once you install 'alsa-source', you need to install 'build-essential', 'fakeroot', 'build-essential', and 'kernel-package'.08:11
dashQuarupt: bummer08:11
crimsunxed: correct08:11
xedcrimsun: And I do that same command with each of those.. except with the different packages?08:11
crimsunsunnie: sec.08:11
HillTopsdash, mount /dev/hdb1 gets mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab08:11
crimsunxed: you can actually put all the packages on one line08:11
dashHillTops: so... tell it where to mount it08:11
xedcrimsun, it couldn't find the alsa-source package08:12
sunniecrimsun: no problems.  thank you.08:12
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xedYou said from the universe repository...08:12
crimsunxed: make sure you have the 'universe' repository enabled.08:12
dashQuarupt: you will need to edit your X config.08:12
xedI thought I did08:12
xedlet me check08:12
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Quaruptcan anyone help me get the driver working correctly?08:12
crimsunxed: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages08:13
xedwhat the!?08:13
xedI thought.. ..>.<08:13
xedI uncomment those two lines and it should work >.<!08:13
crimsunxed: you have to remember to Reload08:13
HillTopsdash,  mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows      did the trick.  Thank you for staying with me.  :/08:13
crimsun(using Synaptic)08:13
xedcrimsun, what do you mean reload?08:13
crimsun(or sudo apt-get update)08:13
xedoh.. right.. it just told me to do that...08:14
xedI should hurt myself..08:14
dashHillTops: it is a pity that the installer did not read your mind! it gets so many other things right these days i get surprised when it doesn't08:14
xedhow do I go about installing all those packages with only one command line?08:14
dashHillTops: oh waiiit08:14
dashHillTops: you're using the live cd?08:14
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thoreauputicxed: just leave a space between packages :)08:15
xedoh.. sweet08:15
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thoreauputicxed , sudo apt-get install pack1 pack2 pack308:15
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xedthoreauputic, thank you08:15
xedcrimsun, why did you have 'build-essential' twice in there...? do i install it twice?08:17
thoreauputicxed: no08:17
thoreauputiche repeated himself ;)08:17
thoreauputiconce is quite enough ;-)08:17
xedAh, *pwhew*08:17
HillTopsdash, liveCD latest release.  And now I see the disk in a window, all is well. Thanks.  It could have been easier like other distros but this is the first time I have gotten this far with ubuntu -- even warty.08:17
thoreauputicit wouldn't matter08:17
xedAlright.... hmm..08:18
xedSo I'm done installing those08:18
dashHillTops: well it makes more sense, they can only put a fixed setup on the cd08:18
thoreauputicxed , the second one would be ignored I think08:18
xedi hope so08:18
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crimsunsunnie: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x008:18
xedcrimsun, I am done installing the suggested packages.08:19
crimsunxed: ok, uname -r ?08:19
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crimsunxed: hmm, you must not have dist-upgraded, since there are errata kernels08:19
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xederrata kernels? and .. wha? dist-upgraded?08:20
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crimsunxed: what cpu is in that machine?08:20
sunniesnd_intel8x0           29984  008:20
xedcrimsun, P4 2.8GHz (w/ HT).. but its not a true HT anyways =/08:20
crimsunxed: sudo apt-get install linux-image- linux-headers- linux-restricted-modules-
crimsunsunnie: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.ca08:21
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xedweeee look at it go08:22
QuaruptCan anyone help me with fglrx08:22
xedcrimsun, done08:22
Quaruptno one in ATI is awake08:22
thoreauputicxed: wow, you must have a big pipe there!08:22
xedbig.. pipe?08:22
thoreauputicxed: it already downloaded all that?08:23
xed..cable. 3Mbits... or so I'm told!08:23
sunniecrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/689008:23
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xedthoreauputic, it was 43 or so MB =|08:23
xednot big08:23
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thoreauputicxed: that would take me hours...08:23
xedcrimsun, done installing..08:23
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xedthoreauputic, what sort of connection are you on/'08:23
QuaruptAnyone here good with xoeg08:24
dazedhey thore08:24
Quarupti could really use some help08:24
thoreauputicdazed: :)08:24
xedthoreauputic, thats probably why it would take hours.. =|08:24
thoreauputicxed: indeed08:24
plex0rI OWN YOU ALL08:24
dazedlol :) im at my friends house on nice conn...plex0r is him hahah08:24
thoreauputicplex0r: cogratulations08:24
crimsunxed: ok, now cd /usr/src08:25
dazedhe got me into nix except hes not even on nix box08:25
crimsunxed: make sure your user is in the 'src' group08:25
Quaruptsomeone must be boored enough to help me08:25
plex0rty baby08:25
plex0ri love you08:25
xedcrimsun, what do you mean by "make sure"08:25
plex0rlet me sex u08:25
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schasiQuarupt: Well the one bored enough doesnt know what your problem is08:25
crimsunxed: groups $USER|grep src08:25
thoreauputicxed: type   groups    and see if one of them is "src"08:26
xedcrimsun, done08:26
HillTopsdash, I had followed info here: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#automountfat   but they didn't make it clear there how to mount it: # mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows     perhaps elsewhere. Thanks again.08:26
johnnybezakhey guys i just updated to hoary, how do i change back to the sexy warty xcursors?08:26
crimsunsunnie: getting to it.08:26
sunniecrimsun: it's okay, i know you're helping someone else. i'll be patient.08:26
Quaruptschasi, I followed the directions on ubuntu guide for switching to the fglrx driver for Xorg, and it worked, but im stuck in 800x600 and cant switch08:26
xedsunnie, sorry. I suck =(08:26
sunniexed: don't worry about it dude.  i hope things work for you08:27
schasiNow _that_ does describe your problem08:27
schasilets see if anyone can answer it ;-)08:27
Quaruptlol, so your saying you can't08:27
Quaruptcause i allready asked08:27
xedso.. I'm stuck here wondering why there is no "src" after I typed in 'groups' as thoreauputic suggested..08:28
Quaruptat least your not stuck in 800x60008:28
schasiQuarupt: Yep i can't, im on windowsxp atm08:28
schasiIm stuck with windows xp08:28
schasiI think that's worse08:28
thoreauputicxed: type   sudo adduser (yourusername)  src08:28
Quaruptcome on guys the damn Gnome icon is bigger than my cat08:28
thoreauputicwithout the () of course08:28
sunnielol schasi08:29
xedthoreauputic, done and DONE08:29
xednow what do I do?08:29
thoreauputicxed:  log out and in again08:29
schasiMore on my Windows XP issue l8er, gotta go, school08:29
thoreauputicfor it to take effect08:29
xedthoreauputic, that should make my sound work?08:29
Quaruptsomeone up for a challenge come on08:29
xedAlright then, brb, I guess08:29
thoreauputicxed just adds you to the src group :)08:29
schasiQuarupt: Did you try changing the /etc/X11 or Xorg or whatever /XF86conf?08:29
tizenxer: figure it out.08:29
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crimsunsunnie: are you using warty or hoary?08:30
Quaruptchanging it to what the directions just say to change the driver08:30
sunniecrimsun: i'm on hoary.08:30
tizeni went you to the bars tonight and got jumped on the way home08:30
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tizenyou = out08:30
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xedlogged out and logged in08:31
Quaruptthis really sucks balls08:31
crimsunxed: cd /usr/src08:31
xedcrimsun, done08:31
crimsunxed: tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz208:31
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xedcrimsun, done08:31
crimsunsunnie: make sure you have the 'universe' repository enabled, then sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source08:32
crimsunsunnie: also ensure that your user is in the 'src' group08:33
xedcrimsun is the ownage08:33
crimsunxed: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source08:33
Quaruptsomeone must be good with Xorg in here08:33
sunniecrimsun: i have the universe repository enabled, i need to sudo the rest of those aps...and by ensuring i'm in the src group, do i cd into that folder?08:33
johnnybezakQuarupt: just google it08:33
crimsunxed: make sure you choose the atiixp (_not_ atiixpm) driver08:33
Quarupti have08:33
xedokay, I'm in some sort of set up.08:34
xed"Build ALSA driver with ISA PnP?"08:34
crimsunsunnie: yeah, but you need to be a member of the 'src' group to untar the driver source08:34
crimsunxed: no08:34
xedSo, I choose.. no?08:34
crimsunxed: correct08:34
xed"Build ALSA driver with debugging code?"08:35
crimsunxed: yes08:35
sunniecrimsun: how do i know i'm a member of the 'src' group?  i'm really sorry crimsun, i'm a newbie at this.08:35
crimsunsunnie: groups|grep src08:36
xedYou said to choose 'atiixp', right crimsun?08:36
crimsunxed: correct08:36
xedokay, so I did that..08:36
xednow what?08:36
sunniecrimsun: it returned nothing08:36
xedIt took me back to the CLI08:36
crimsunsunnie: sudo adduser $USER src08:37
thoreauputicsunnie: sudo adduser (yourusername) src08:37
crimsunsunnie: then you need to either log in on another console, or log out and back into GNOME08:37
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viper12evening/morning all.08:37
crimsunxed: now cd modules/alsa-driver08:37
sunniecrimsun: alright it has added me to the group src. i'll brb08:38
xedcrimsun, DONE08:38
xedsorry about the caps08:38
crimsunxed: fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers- KVERS=
viper12that quarupt sure has the problems don't he?08:38
thoreauputicxed: acceptable for emphasis ;-)08:39
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xedOooOO.. this thing is making use of my PC08:39
xedcrimsun, done08:40
crimsunxed: cd ..08:40
crimsunxed: ls|grep .deb08:40
viper12anyone here install array 5 or 6 on a dell dimension 2400? I'm noticing flat panel wackiness with it. (login screen is blank until ctrl/alt away and then back.)08:40
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sunniecrimsum: i'm back! :)08:40
sunnie*crimsun (sorry)08:40
xedcrimsun, Done08:41
crimsunxed: do you see an alsa-modules...deb ?08:41
crimsunxed: sudo dpkg -i alsa-modules*deb08:41
xedcrimsun, thats what I see08:41
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xedcrimsun, "No configuration file found for ALSA 1.0.08:42
crimsunxed: but dpkg successfully installs the package?08:42
ferrisdoes anyone know of a html authoring suite like dreamweaver for debian?08:42
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crimsunsunnie: cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz208:43
viper12ferris.....would screem work?08:43
xedcrimsun, check #flood08:43
crimsunsunnie: then sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source08:43
ferrisviper12, i will check it out08:43
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sunnieferris: you could go through the repositories @ http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/08:43
viper12its in the packages.  looks pretty complete.08:43
sunniecrimsun: alright i'll do that.08:43
crimsunsunnie: make sure you answer "no" to isa pnp, "yes" to debug - and choose the "azx" driver08:44
crimsunxed: no errors, correct?08:44
crimsunxed: dpkg -l alsa-modules-|grep ^ii08:44
xedWell other than the "No configuration file found for ALSA 1.0"08:45
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xedcrimsun, ii  alsa-modules-2 1.0.5a-1ubuntu Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers)08:45
xedThats what it be saying08:45
BobaFettguys...is there a simple way of updating from warty to hoary?08:45
viper12yes boba.08:45
BobaFettapt-get something?08:46
dashit's quite easy, just edit your sources.list and update and upgrade08:46
sunniecrimsun: it's giving me errors as an output such as "no such file or directory"08:46
BobaFettso, its apt-get update and thats it? O.o08:46
thoreauputicxed: looks like it's installed08:46
viper12that link boba will give you all da' info.08:46
xedthoreauputic, installed..eh?08:47
xedhow do I go about testing to see if my sound is working?08:47
thoreauputicwait for crimsun - he's the expert08:47
xedthoreauputic, alrighty08:47
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crimsunxed: you'll be able to tell for sure after a reboot. Keep these two (2) points in mind: [1]  1.0.5a may be too old still, but it's much newer than the 1.0.4 you're currently using; [b]  it works in Hoary, which has 1.0.808:48
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xedcrimsun, alrighty.... so should I reboot.. or .. log out/log in?08:48
crimsunxed: and [2]  you'll need to unmute your mixer sliders after you reboot using either alsamixer or GNOME's Volume Control08:48
BobaFettThanks people!08:48
crimsunxed: it's probably easiest to reboot08:48
viper12np boba08:48
BobaFettlooks fairly simple xd08:48
xedcrimsun, allllrighty08:49
xedbut before I do08:49
crimsunsunnie: which command gave you that error?08:49
xedI best get some video codecs installed too...08:49
crimsunxed: grab 'w32codecs' from debian-marillat08:49
sunniecrimsun: tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz208:49
crimsunsunnie: pwd08:49
viper12just my 2 cents xed..........but um.....one thing at a time huh?  troubleshooting wise...fix one before adding to it? ;)08:49
xedcrimsun, what do you mean by "grab" from where?08:49
crimsunsunnie: it should report /usr/src08:49
xedwhat's debian -marillat?08:49
crimsunxed: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats08:50
PanzerboyHello Ubuntu people!08:50
thoreauputicxed: first see if sound works08:50
xedallrighty I guess08:50
xedbrb I guess08:50
thoreauputicxed: patience, Grasshopper ;)08:50
sunniecrimsun: yes, it says /usr/src08:50
viper12lol...well said throeau08:50
crimsunsunnie: sudo apt-get install alsa-source08:50
viper12better than I'm spelling at this time of the evening. lol08:50
viper12and hello panzer.08:51
sunniecrimsun: it tells me that alsa-source is the newest version08:51
crimsunsunnie: ls /usr/src/alsa-driver.tar.bz208:52
viper12would there be any reason for the login/splash to be 1280x1024 when the users desktop is set to 10x7.....and xorg has been purged of the 1280x1024 settings?08:52
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sunniecrimsun: yes, it is here.08:52
BobaFettI updated my repos and did the dist-update, but nothing happened! guess I had all I needed...how can I check my Ubuntu version?08:52
interohow much does ubuntu require for the root partition? (assuming i'll do / /home and swap)08:52
crimsunviper12: make sure 1280x1024 has been purged from all Depths' Modes08:52
crimsunviper12: and ensure that you restarted gdm after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:53
dashintero: my root partition is 1GB08:53
dashbut i use08:53
dashbut i use LVM for all the other partitions08:53
bestadvocatedoes anyone use and like ether of the gnome browsers?08:53
crimsunsunnie: and you typed "tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2" ?08:53
viper12crimsun...did that.  and a full reboot, and the splash STILL comes up 12x10......which causes an error and black screen on the flat panel...wierdest thing..  alt f1 away and back, and screen is there, but...done the purge and such...keeps happening.08:54
interodash: okay, so say 3 gb would do i think. thanks08:54
sunniecrimsun: yes, i just checked it again. no errors in typing :(08:54
dashintero: LVM will make sure you never have to worry about that again :)08:54
viper12tried them besta......but i'm a fox guy.08:54
bestadvocateoh crap, i asked for that, Synaptic just froze uninstalling galeon08:55
crimsunsunnie: wait, what sort of "no file or directory" errors is it?08:55
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BobaFettuname -a ... nevermind xD08:55
crimsunsunnie: are they, rather08:55
interodash: will learn it then ;) thanks for the hints, take care!08:55
bestadvocatethis is weird, synaptic wont let me mess with the screen08:55
sunniecrimsun: for example, tar: modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/patch_realtek.c: Cannot open: No such file or directory08:55
crimsunsunnie: groups|grep src08:56
sunniecrimsun: mm hm, did that and it returned nothing.08:57
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crimsunsunnie: uh huh. So that's why you're getting those errors; your user wasn't added properly to the 'src' group.08:58
thoreauputicbestadvocate: where did you get galeon? it isn't in the repos as far as I can see...08:58
crimsunsunnie: so let's try again: sudo adduser <your username> src08:58
viper12too late thoreau......he booked.08:58
jeavisHow I can see my free space in hard disk08:59
sunniecrimsun: crimsun: it says i'm already a member of src08:59
viper12several ways to do that jeavis........gui or text?08:59
thoreauputicviper12: I think he did something wicked witha debian reo ;)08:59
pirrejeavis: man df08:59
crimsunjeavis: with Applications>System Tools>System Monitor, or use df -h08:59
viper12lmao thoreau, that was my thought as well............disasters waiting to happen that way. ;)08:59
thoreauputicviper12: indeed08:59
crimsunsunnie: yet ,,groups|grep src'' returns null?09:00
sunniecrimsun: mm hm, yup09:00
thoreauputicI heard galeon wouldn't build so it was left out....09:00
johnwlittleand also b/c it isnt firefox :)09:00
viper12I'd read something about that cruising forums as well...don't remember specifics, but.....09:00
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crimsunsunnie: is your username "aoede"?09:00
sunniecrimsun: yup.  that's what i put.09:01
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crimsunsunnie: ok, and that matches ,,echo $USER'', I presume09:01
socklerim having trouble getting online, i can see the router, but i cant do anything else09:01
viper12its funny, I decide to get my father off of windows.....and every problem possible with a linux install is ocurring on his box......lmao....really putting me through my paces.09:01
sunniecrimsun: yes, echo returns my username09:02
crimsunsunnie: and you logged out and back in completely?09:02
thoreauputicviper12: funny how that happens - I was trying to convert a friend and had a sorcerer's apprentice experience with her printer... :/09:02
viper12sockler...you say you can see the router...is the connection dhcp from the router, or a static address.09:02
sockleri set the IP manually, because my router doesnt have DHCP09:03
socklerwhat should the gateway be?09:03
sunniecrimsun: yes i did. should i restart ubuntu again, just to see, because i only exited to the login screen last time.09:03
viper12thoreauputic,  funny you should mention that.......his printer....lexmark.  his video....integrated brookdale.......his netcard.....wavelan d-link (crippled one).......etc.09:03
crimsunsunnie: nah, it's not absolutely imperative09:03
crimsunsunnie: we'll just continue with a slightly more hackish method09:04
thoreauputicviper12: heh - so he thinks Linux is crippled, I guess? :)09:04
viper12sockler, if standard, it would be something like:
Panzerboydo any of you guys have any experience with rdesktop/tsclient?09:04
socklerit didnt work on that09:04
crimsunsunnie: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source09:04
sunniecrimsun: :) devious.  alright what do i do?09:04
sunniecrimsun: k09:04
viper12thoreauputic, lol...he loves it.  I chaned the desktop to 1 click, gave him the suede icons, and he's in heaven.....its getting printing and wireless going and this stupid flatpanel error that's blowing my brain cells at the moment. lol09:04
crimsunsunnie: make sure you answer "no" to isa pnp, "yes" to debug code - and choose the azx driver09:05
viper12is this a wifi or standard router connection sock?09:05
crimsun(apologies if you've already done that once)09:05
thoreauputicviper12: just keep the hair you tear out in a handy place - you might want it later ;-)09:05
sunniecrimsun: no no, it's alright. k i did that.09:06
socklerthis particular computer is connected standard09:06
viper12lol thoreauputic ........good idea.......but it is...later.......and i'm one of the lucky ones hair wise. ;)09:06
viper12okay sockler, what type of router is it?09:06
crimsunsunnie: ok, now sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz209:06
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sockleri have winXP on the same box and that can access the internet09:06
sunniecrimsun: no errors09:06
crimsunsunnie: cd modules/alsa-driver09:07
viper12one recommendation sockler.......if xp can see the net, boot that side, go to the network settings and write down how its configured.......then bounce back to linux and dup those nuimbers.09:07
sunniecrimsun: okay09:07
crimsunsunnie: sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)09:07
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viper12if you can see the router sockler.......then you at least know that linux is set up properly for networking......its just not "pointed" the right way "out", if you get my meaning.09:08
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tarashi anyone else have problems with ubuntu's 2.6.11 and ALPS touchpads?09:08
viper12since when?09:08
sockleralright thanks for the help09:08
thoreauputicviper12: since a few days09:08
tarasit craps out my mouse support09:08
crimsunviper12: prelim 2.6.11 packages have been in universe for weeks.09:09
viper12thoreauputic, .......how the hell did i miss that????09:09
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viper12oh........prelim.....that's why.  doh. lol09:09
tarasand when i enable the driver for it in x..it dies badly after first mouse click09:09
crimsunviper12: they're also in universe, not main.09:09
xedso i think i might've ruined my graphical interface09:09
xedI'm on desktop now09:09
crimsunviper12: seeing how when they were created, 2.6.11 was still in -rc09:09
xedI was previously messing around with the fglrx09:09
xednow it just boots up in.. the little dos like thing..09:10
xedNo GNOME09:10
xedthe error is something like couldn't load your gnome..09:10
crimsunxed: did you install the linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) ?09:10
xedI c-- wha?09:10
viper12yep crimsun....don't mind me...its gettin' late.  I've stayed away from the .11's until they get closer...which I oughta go snag as they're "closer" now.09:10
crimsunxed: presuming you rebooted into the newer kernel09:10
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xedcrimsun: negative09:10
xedi'm on my desktop (windows)09:10
xedI was following those instructions before your help to figure out if i needed to install video drivers09:11
thoreauputicxed: :/  change *one* thing at a time when troubleshooting09:11
xedand so I might've screwed up someting09:11
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xedthoreauputic: I didn't change anything..that was before I got help here09:11
crimsunxed: what was the last step you performed?09:11
xednow I think I might've destroyed something09:11
crimsunxed: I doubt you destroyed anything09:11
xedcrimsun: "sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"09:11
xedcrimsun: well how do i get back into the graphical interface?09:12
xedI don't like this dos-like thing ._.  it scares me09:12
thoreauputicxed: you get to love it ;-)09:12
thoreauputicxed: gives you control09:12
Agrajagdon't you DARE call it dos-like09:12
xedI'm sorry09:12
dashAgrajag: hah09:13
ygnomexed: don't insult bash like that09:13
xedI'm goin go get owned in here09:13
dashthe way you insult bash is like this09:13
crimsunxed: hmm. Take a look at your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and make sure the Driver was actually changed from "ati" to "fglrx"09:13
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dash"sheeeesh why isn't zsh default in ubuntu yet"09:13
viper12lmao...............don't feel bad xed.......not all of us prefer the command line.......but in linux it IS more efficient. ;)09:13
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sunniecrimsun: yay it's done.09:13
xedcrimsun: what do you mean "take a look"09:13
crimsunsunnie: cd ..09:13
sunniecrimsun: mm hm09:14
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crimsunxed: open /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in an editor, for instance, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-409:14
thoreauputicxed:  less  /etc/X11/XF86Config-409:14
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dashxed: it is only recently that linux users have been able to avoid the terminal for long periods of time :) ubuntu is a big step in that dept09:14
crimsunsunnie: ls|grep alsa-driver09:14
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crimsunsunnie: err, ls alsa-driver*deb09:15
sunniecrimsun: returned with nothing.09:15
dazedim so fucked up w00h0009:16
crimsunsunnie: pwd09:16
crimsunsunnie: are you sure the compilation didn't error out?09:16
xedcrimsun: how would I check to see if it has changed from "ati" to fglrx09:16
crimsun(e.g., fail with an error(s))09:16
sunniecrimsun: yup, no errors.  it didn't say anything after the spew of text going up the terminal.  pwd returns /usr/src/modules09:17
xedI want my graphical interface back =(09:17
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Panzerboyxed: you really want to use fglrx?09:17
Panzerboyyou need it for some games, or?09:17
xedPanzerboy: I don't know what that is..?09:17
xedI just thought I had to do it09:17
xedNow that I did it.. its gone09:17
Panzerboycause ati drivers are not really that good09:17
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xedI want my gnome back!09:18
Panzerboywait just a sec09:18
xedPanzerboy: How would I go about getting rid of this.. and going back to my normalness witht he interface and the graphical-ness09:18
Panzerboyjust a sec09:18
Quaruptman im giving up on Fglrx09:18
sunniecrimsun: i type in ls|grep alsa-driver*deb?09:18
Panzerboyxed: ok man09:19
Panzerboyyou are in the command line now or in windows?09:19
sunniecrimsun: or is it ls alsa-driver/09:19
xedRight now I'm on desktop which as windows.. and on laptop.. in the commandline..09:20
Panzerboyoh, good09:20
xedwhich LOOKS like dos..all black.and white09:20
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Panzerboyso you want to fix the laptop, right?09:20
thoreauputicxed: heretic!09:20
xedthe desktop I plan to destroy09:20
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Panzerboyare u using hoary or warty?09:20
Panzerboydo a ls /etc/X1109:20
crimsunsunnie: actually it's: ls alsa-driver*deb09:21
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crimsun/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ;)09:21
Panzerboycrimsun: :-)09:21
xedth..was just going to say that09:21
dazedhey whats the easiest way to check hd space?09:21
sunniecrimsun: oh lol k one moment09:21
xedwas just in that file a minute ago. =09:21
johnnybezakhey guys are there any other good icon themes for gnome, that are complete, like have icons for most things?09:21
crimsundazed: df -h09:21
thoreauputicdazed: df -h09:21
Panzerboyxed: now type less /etc/X11/XF86Config-409:21
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Panzerboylook for Section "Device"09:22
sunniecrimsun: ls: alsa-driver*deb: No such file or directory09:22
Panzerboyand tell us what's there09:22
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xedlots of stuff?09:22
crimsunsunnie: ls *.deb09:22
xedLots of text09:22
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xedFirst line09:22
Panzerboywhat is the Driver ?09:22
uMkuluthe Driver is, like, an rpm09:22
crimsunxed: type /fglrx09:22
xedfound it under09:23
xed"Section "Device"09:23
sunniecrimsun: alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb09:23
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thoreauputicthe bot is spreading misinformation... :/09:23
xedIdentifier: "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9100 U3 (R200 IGP)"09:23
crimsunsunnie: err, sorry, I'm tired. Yes, that's the correct file.09:23
xed...ook..there's no semicolon there09:23
xedthen it says09:23
Panzerboyxed: and Driver is fglrx?09:23
xedDriver "fglrx"09:23
Panzerboyis there anything like BusID there?09:24
_dev_anyone here use 1350 wlan card broadcom?09:24
crimsunsunnie: sudo dpkg -i alsa*.deb09:24
Panzerboybesides the other crap09:24
Panzerboypress q09:24
Panzerboyyou should get to the prompt again09:24
Panzerboytype sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-3409:24
QuaruptSomeone please help me with fglrx09:24
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Panzerboysorry, without the 3 :P09:24
ferriscrimsun, what is the command to set the (fastest) connection to the repositories09:24
thoreauputicPanzerboy: oops09:24
QuaruptPanzerboy, you have ati?09:25
Panzerboygo to the Device section09:25
tgamore ATI talk?09:25
Cube-nessanybody know why recently things are way slow and laggy in hoary? like gui updates?  same issue on my desktop and laptop, nvidia and ati respectively09:25
Panzerboythoreauputic: :-)09:25
PanzerboyQuarupt: nope09:25
Panzerboytga: are u on yahoo mess?09:25
Quarupttga,  im having round 2 with this fglrx09:25
Panzerboytga: i wanna test smth09:25
crimsunferris: apt-spy ?09:25
xedPanzerboy: I'm there09:25
sunniecrimsun: it's okay, i'm really appreciating your help.  thanks.  k, so i typed in that command and now everything is done.09:25
Panzerboyxed: delete everything besides Identifier, Driver and BusID09:25
ferrisyes thanks09:25
xedwhat do you mean "everything"09:25
xedJust erase it?09:26
tgaPanzerboy: yeah, I replied but you never wrote back09:26
Panzerboyjust in the Device section09:26
xedWouldn't it be better to comment it out or something?09:26
crimsunsunnie: and after you reboot, everything should work. You may have to unmute and adjust the mixer sliders using alsamixer or GNOME's Volume Control09:26
Panzerboyxed: only there !!!09:26
Panzerboyxed: ok, comment then :P09:26
Quarupttga,  ya think of anything else i could try?09:26
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xedBy putting a # infront of the lines, yes?09:26
Panzerboylet only those 309:26
Panzerboyand then09:26
xedSo what do I not comment out?09:26
PanzerboyIdentifier, Driver and BusID09:27
xedTo the left of those words, I put a # infront of it?09:27
QuaruptI mean, there has to be a way to get this driver working correctly09:27
tgaQuarupt: not really.. I'm not getting anywhere with my card either09:27
sunniecrimsun: thank you so much for taking the time to help me.  I'll try it out after I reboot and hopefully everything will work as planned.09:27
Panzerboyfor all the OTHER ones you put a # in front of the line09:27
Panzerboyyou let those 3 uncommented09:27
Quarupttga, yea but my card is actually supposed to be supported by this driver09:27
sunniecrimsun: thanks again.  ...er...and don't overwork yourself, if you're tired, you should rest. anyways, thanks.09:27
Quaruptwho tests the latest warty beta's? or is Warty done?09:28
viper12warty is not beta.  its hoary that's beta.09:28
Quarupti know lol09:28
Quaruptbut they keep adding higher versions of Warty09:29
Quaruptwhere are they coming from?09:29
crimsunQuarupt: "higher versions of warty"?09:29
Quaruptlike 4.1009:29
thoreauputicQuarupt: no, just security updates09:29
viper12there are no higher version numbers of warty. 4.10 IS warty.09:29
thoreauputicQuarupt: that's the original number09:30
QuaruptOh okay i see09:30
QuaruptMan i just want my damn fgrlx to work09:30
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Quarupt#ati isnt very helpful09:30
thoreauputicQuarupt: 2004, month 10 = 4.1009:30
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thoreauputichence Hoary 5.0409:31
crimsunQuarupt: what precisely isn't working - and what precisely have you attempted?09:32
viper12woot.....an easy fix.  got sockler taken care of.....his router had dhcp enabled, and he didn't know it. lol.  sometimes the easy ones are the best. :)09:32
Quaruptcrimsun, i followed the directions on ubuntuguide and it worked fine except i was stuck in 800x60009:33
crimsunviper12: =)09:33
Quaruptso we tried different syncs and modules09:33
crimsunQuarupt: did you inspect the log file?09:33
Quaruptdidnt get anywhere09:33
viper12I've been there and worn his t-shirt before.....sometimes another person's "nudge" is all it takes.09:33
Quaruptyes me and tga and a guy from #ati09:33
Quaruptbut ill pastebin it if ya wanna look at it09:33
Quaruptbut im currently back in the ati driver09:34
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viper12just curious quarupt, but in the xorg,conf file.......what resolutions are listed there?  and did you change the ati listing to fglrx in that file as well? (just checkin'.)09:34
Quarupthow else would i have gotten it to load the driver09:35
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Quaruptand i beleive we left it with 1024x768 800x600 and 640x48009:35
Quarupti know the driver was working cause glxgears was fly'n09:36
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viper12in whatrez quarupt?09:36
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Quaruptbut it doesnt matter when the icons were bigger than my head09:36
Quaruptviper12, 8x609:37
johnnybezakwhats a good text based irc client?09:37
crimsunjohnnybezak: irssi09:37
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viper12just curious, but are you on a flat panel or crt quarupt?09:37
tgajohnnybezak: irssi-text09:37
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Quarupti wasnt aware that irsii had an x client09:37
thoreauputicQuarupt: used to09:38
thoreauputicQuarupt: I think development stopped09:38
Quaruptyou might look at bitchx to its okay, but i prefer irsii09:38
crimsunQuarupt: irssi actually has "any" X Windows client ;)09:38
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sunniecrimsun: thanks!  everything is working.  although I want to ask you for one more favor, if possible.09:38
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crimsunQuarupt: just configure irssi to work as a proxy, then use any graphical irc client to access it. There are instructions on irssi.org09:38
sunniecrimsun: could you repeat the packages i needed during the initial stages of this sound process?09:38
johnnybe1akhey guys is there a way of having a window not draw all fo the menubar/scrolls etc09:39
thoreauputiccrimsun: interesting!09:39
Quaruptokay crimsun anyways back to my screwed up driver09:39
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sunniecrimsun: cause i want to know for future reference. :( i didn't get the log files of those.09:39
crimsunsunnie: do you mean which packages you needed to install? If so - fakeroot, build-essential, kernel-package, linux-headers-$(uname -r), alsa-source09:40
sunniecrimsun: yes perfect.  thank you so much09:40
crimsunsunnie: keep in mind that you only need to install those packages once (unless you continually reinstall distros)09:40
o2Is someone running array-6 with an atheros chipset ?09:40
Quarupthow can i make a script that does this : cd /home/sean/Limewire  then  ./runLime   ?09:40
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johnnybezakjohnnybezak: test09:41
thoreauputicQuarupt: you shouldn't need to: just give the full path09:41
crimsunQuarupt: why not just ~/Limewire/runLime ?09:41
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sunniecrimsun: *nods* i know. i just needed to write it down because i will be holding an installfest soon on my campus using ubuntu as our main distro.09:42
johnnybe1akguys do i have a nick?09:42
Quaruptcause it only works when i call it within the directory09:42
crimsunsunnie: excellent :-)09:42
thoreauputicjohnnybe1ak: sure09:42
johnnybe1akthoreauputic: thanks, in the text client its not showing up its just blank (probably a colour problem)09:42
shockjohnnybe1ak - jup09:42
sunniecrimsun: yes, so just in case someone comes in with a new board like mine, i know how to solve that problem.  thanks to you, now i sort of do.09:43
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viper12lol........sort of do beats sort of don't any day of the week. :D09:43
thoreauputicjohnnybe1ak: if it's irssi, you can get lots of themes09:43
thoreauputicdifferent colours etc09:43
crimsunyou can even theme irssi like bx  *shudder*  ;-)09:43
thoreauputicjohnnybe1ak: check irssi.org09:43
thoreauputiccrimsun: heh :)09:44
jeavisI have a pc and I cant install ubuntu09:44
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jeavishow I can install09:44
Panzerboyjeavis: why ?09:44
johnnybe1akthoreauputic: it was just my terminal colours off09:44
xedthe greatness that is #ubuntu09:44
jeavisPanzerboy: The pc freeze in partitions09:44
Panzerboyxed: :-)09:44
Panzerboyjeavis: hmmm ... strage09:44
Panzerboystrange that is :)09:45
Panzerboyjeavis: did you have any other linux installed on that hard drive?09:45
Panzerboyor other os?09:45
johnnybe1akso do you guys know how to have a window show no menu/title/scroll bars etc. like xmms does?09:45
xedUbuntu makes my sound so loud09:45
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xedI love Ubuntu for that reason alone09:45
crimsungot sound working? :-)09:45
xedcrimsun, thats why I love you09:45
thoreauputicxed: hehe - thought you were about to complain ;)09:46
crimsunthoreauputic: as did I09:46
xednow to work on the codecs!09:46
sunniei heart crimsun too.09:46
Panzerboyjohnnybe1ak: i don't know if metacity supports that09:46
xedI heart crimsun.09:46
xedwe ALL do09:46
xedWell except for maybe that guy..!09:46
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viper12sunnie, crimsun and xed..................they could pose for an ubuntu screen.  snicker. ;)09:46
xedBut I think he might just be a figment of my imagination.. so thats okay09:46
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xed"Not like you killed someone"09:47
xed-Judith (APC)09:47
crimsunthoreauputic: bah ;)09:47
crimsunteam effort, no one person does it alone09:47
xedWhat was that codec again, crimsun?09:47
crimsunxed: w32codecs09:47
xedthoreauputic, is real? I thought he/she was a figment of my imagination!09:47
thoreauputiccrimsun: well, you *are* impressively helpful, is all I meant :)09:48
sunniemmm open source developments...delicious.  always so delicious.09:48
viper12and cheap too.09:48
xedSometimes, I think crimsun is an extremely advanced AI bot..09:48
sunniethat's what we're trying to tell people on my campus.  CHEAP.09:48
xedAnd I think that this is all some sort of sick conspiracy... then I realize that I AM crazy.09:48
viper12just don't get em' dell dimension 2400's sunnie.............lol.09:48
thoreauputicxed: nah, he's not a bot - bots make mistakes ;-)09:49
xedthoreauputic, you got a point there...09:49
xedSo he's probably a spy then..09:49
sunnielol viper12.09:49
xedThat works for ubuntu09:49
xedwho goes around magically solving problems through the awesomeness that is his logic09:49
viper12I'm laughing thru the tears........but winning the battle.09:49
QuaruptOkay im gunna alien the damn limewire rpm so i dont have to deal with it being broke09:49
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jeavisPanzerboy: I can install mandrake09:49
Quaruptanyone know the url where ya can get pro for free09:50
jeavisPanzerboy: I cant install ubuntu09:50
xedI have mandrake on my old desktop PII.. it sits there and does nothing because its not connected to the net.. -.-09:50
xedbut its an old version of mandrake09:50
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crimsunQuarupt: isn't limewire a gnutella client?09:50
xedmandrake 609:50
jeavisPanzerboy: Is so estrenge I have ubuntu in two pc and I dont have problems09:50
Panzerboyjeavis: well that's strage then09:50
Panzerboyyou say it freezes in partitioning?09:50
thoreauputicxed: I like archaeology too ;-)09:50
xedI like chicken.09:51
crimsun(you mentioned "old")09:51
jeavisPanzerboy: I can install ubuntu from the net09:51
viper12lmao thoreauputic .......i was thinking fossils.09:51
Quaruptcrimsun, si09:51
xedthe pentium 209:51
crimsunQuarupt: are you running Hoary?09:51
thoreauputicand the mandrake 6...09:51
xedYeah, that PC runs smoother than my stupid devil HP desktop...09:51
sunniethe pentium2 IS a fossil .....09:52
xedDevil HP Desktop more recent than the PII.. by like 5 years..09:52
crimsunQuarupt: I would much appreciate if you test updated gtk-gnutella packages before I upload to universe09:52
crimsunQuarupt: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ubuntu-motu/09:52
Panzerboyjeavis: but not from a burned cd?09:52
johnnybe1akdont mess with the pentiums baby09:52
thoreauputicsunnie: hey, i have a P200 mmx here!09:52
QuaruptIts installed but i have to run it from a terminal i have added ot to my path linked to to /bin but nothiong works09:52
thoreauputicsunnie: not running Ubuntu, though09:52
xedcrimsun, what was that link again? to the codecs...09:52
RattWorkI'm about to do an ubuntu install dualbooting XP09:53
Quaruptlol crimsun thanx but gtk gnu sucks09:53
Panzerboyxed: do you have marillat repo's added to sources.list?09:53
crimsunxed: 'w32codecs' is in the debian-marillat repository; see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats09:53
sunnielol thoreauputic: it's alright, i have a p1 sitting right next to me.  that one is still on windows98. *shudders* ah well not mine.09:53
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Quaruptlol limewire is way faster and has a better gui and more servers09:53
RattWorkhow many partitions should I have?09:53
crimsunQuarupt: fair 'nuff09:53
RattWorkI'd like: users, root, xp, shared data09:53
johnnybe1akwhat do you use crimsun09:53
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RattWorkso that's like 5 partitions, right?09:54
crimsunjohnnybe1ak: for?09:54
viper12don't ferget swap RattWork09:54
crimsunjohnnybe1ak: I generally stick to bittorrent (btdownloadcurses)09:54
johnnybe1akcrimsun: cool09:54
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thoreauputicsunnie: Debian Woody on my P20009:54
RattWorkvincent_: I think that IS 5 with swap09:55
viper12smiles....and agrees with crimsun.  the blue frog be jess fine.09:55
xedHow do I get Gaim to minimize to the top tray rather than the bottom bar..?09:55
RattWorka boot partition isn't really neccessary, right?09:55
joeblow1234RattWork : no it isnt09:55
thoreauputicRattWork: right09:55
Panzerboyxed: close it09:55
sunniethoreauputic: ah.  what's debian woody like?09:55
crimsunxed: click the icon in the tray ;)09:55
Panzerboyclick the x09:56
johnnybe1akhey guys i have the standard hoary sources, and i want to install mplayer09:56
thoreauputicsunnie: rock solid but kind of outdated, of course09:56
crimsunjohnnybe1ak: which cpu?09:56
joeblow1234johnnybe1ak : i found that compiling it is the easiest09:56
crimsunjohnnybe1ak: make sure you enable multiverse09:56
thoreauputicsunnie: when I say solid, i mean it!09:56
johnnybe1akit shows up09:56
joeblow1234crimsun : the codecs provided on www.mplayerhq.hu, will they work on09:56
xedcrimsun, that just closes it =(09:57
johnnybe1akbut when i try install it it says it depends on an uninstallable package09:57
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jeavisPanzerboy: Yes not from a burned cd09:57
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joeblow1234johnnybe1ak : download the source code from http://www.mplayerhq.hu and then compile it09:57
viper12xed........if you add the gaim app to the top panel it will minimize there.  if you've got it added to the bottome panel then remove it and add it to the top.09:57
crimsunxed: clicking the tray icon should minimize to/restore from tray09:57
johnnybe1akjoeblowd1234: i tried with warty and it wouldnt compile ill give it another go09:57
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johnnybe1akcos i installed hoary09:58
crimsunjoeblow1234: yeah, but make sure you don't pick the i386 ones09:58
xedviper12, how do i put it on the top tray?09:58
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joeblow1234crimsun : they dont offer a choice, there is just a single essential codecs package09:58
bigcx2can anyone tell me how to blacklist things on startup09:58
sunniethoreauputic: ic...lol okay then.  what other distros have you tried?09:58
crimsunjohnnybe1ak: there appear to be mplayer-altivec, mplayer-powerpc, and mplayer-g4 packages09:58
jeavishow I un tar a .tar.bz209:58
Panzerboyjeavis: then maybe it's a problem with the cd09:58
Panzerboyjeavis: or with the iso09:59
crimsunjeavis: tar xfj foo.tar.bz209:59
Panzerboyjeavis: did you check the iso with md5sum before burning it ?09:59
bigcx2blacklisting modules anybody?09:59
viper12on the top panel xed, just right click, select +add to panel..........09:59
johnnybe1akcrimsun: yeah i tried the powerpc and g409:59
jeavisPanzerboy: I burned a other cd and I cant09:59
crimsunbigcx2: echo somemodule | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist09:59
johnnybe1akcrimsun: no love09:59
xedviper12: I don't see "gaim" available...09:59
Quaruptafter you install gtk-gnutella does it place itself on any of the menus?09:59
Panzerboyjeavis: maybe the iso is borked09:59
jeavisI install with the same cd the first tow machines10:00
bigcx2will try crimsun10:00
thoreauputicsunnie: hmm...mandrake, vector, deadrat... that's about it I guess...10:00
viper12you can do the custom app launcher and fill in the blanks.10:00
Quaruptso thast a no10:00
thoreauputicsunnie: staying with debian and ubuntu10:00
raghujeavis: tar -jxvf filename10:00
Quarupti cant even find the bin10:00
xedWhere be Gaim located? -.-10:00
viper12is your main panel (top) set up with the standard apps/places/system or did you move it to the bottom?10:00
Quaruptin any repository10:00
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crimsunQuarupt: which gtk-gnutella version?10:01
raghuxed: in bin10:01
xedviper12: I might've accidentally removed the gaim icon a while back..10:01
Quaruptwhatever one is in the repository10:01
viper12if standard menu is at the top......you can go app/internet/gaim and right click to add to the panel.10:01
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crimsunQuarupt: that's because that version is broken, hence why I asked you to test the version I'm about to upload to universe =)10:01
Quaruptwhatever one it gives me with apt-get install gtk-gnutella10:01
shockhey - amyone here informed about any good console icq client?10:01
raghuxed: if it is insatlled through tar file ...in terminal type gaim10:01
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tgashock: centericq10:02
crimsunshock: centericq10:02
johnnybe1akso why are there packages available if their dependancies aren't?10:02
crimsunshock: there's also btlbee, which interfaces nicely with irssi10:02
RattWorkis it better to install XP then install Ubuntu over the top?10:02
sunniethoreauputic: yeah, i had to try SuSE because that was the distro we used for our last installfest, and boo i didn't like it too much.  now this whole ubuntu flavour is just nice.10:02
RattWorkand if so, should XP partition be first on the drive?10:02
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johnnybe1akRattWork: do you want to dual boot10:03
thoreauputicRattWork: always install wintendo first10:03
viper12RattWork, its easier for xp first then ubuntu10:03
shockthx guys10:03
viper12lmao thoreauputic10:03
RattWorkok, how about as far as where on disk to put XP10:03
RattWorkfirst partition?10:03
xedargghhh. -.-10:03
viper12yes RattWork10:03
xedIt just re-launches it if I custom add a program to the top..10:03
viper12xed.......remove the one from the bottom panel so its not in two places.10:04
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crimsunjohnnybe1ak: what errors do you get regarding attempting to install mplayer?10:04
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crimsunjohnnybe1ak: are they missing dependencies? If so, did you add the requisite debian-marillat/mirror repo(s)?10:05
xedviper12: i can't really "remove" it from the bottom. =/10:05
bigcx2what if i wanted to unload a kernel module10:05
bigcx2same thing?10:05
bigcx2at startup10:06
Quaruptdid crisun leave?10:06
bigcx2i want to unload the floppy module from loading at startup10:06
Quaruptcause gtk-gnutella is having lots of probs, it wont connect to very many servers10:06
Quaruptmaybe it just needs an updated server list10:06
viper12xed: sort of scratching my head here. it minimizes to the bottom panel.  where are you launching it from? a terminal or something?10:06
johnnybe1akcrimsun: marillat doesnt have ppc10:07
crimsunQuarupt: that's possible. I'm not familiar with the gnutella innards.10:07
xedviper12: Applications > Internet > Gaim10:07
crimsunbigcx2: so you tried blacklisting floppy?10:07
viper12do all of your apps minimize to the bottom?10:07
viper12or just gaim?10:07
crimsunjohnnybe1ak: http://debian.video.free.fr/10:07
xedif i launch it from the top (Custom added application) it loads it up again.. relaunches it..10:07
xedall of them10:07
crimsunjohnnybe1ak: in particular, deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/10:08
bigcx2well no because i wanted to know if that's what i did to keep it from loading on startup first10:08
viper12oh woot......million dollar baby is in the box.10:08
viper12sorry....that was off topic and very azureus of me.10:08
bigcx2what file do i have to remove it from?10:08
johnnybe1akcrimsun: thanks ill check it out10:08
crimsunbigcx2: that's one method of blacklisting10:08
crimsunbigcx2: no, don't remove it, just append it10:08
bigcx2is there a file i can just comment it out10:08
xedSo.. why is VLC so big?10:09
xedthats massive10:09
johnnybe1akhey guys, how do i revert to the standard firefox theme?10:09
crimsunxed: 39m here10:10
xed39MB for VLC!?10:10
xedWait-- if I get gnome-vlc10:10
crimsun[wxvlc] 10:10
xedDoes that get the codec too?10:10
crimsunxed: I'm actually referring to in-mem profile10:10
thoreauputicbigcx2: append it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist  I think?10:10
thoreauputicbigcx2: if I followed what you want correctly?10:11
bigcx2ok if the name of it is floppy.ko10:11
bigcx2echo floppy | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklis10:11
thoreauputicbigcx2: just floppy I think10:11
crimsunbigcx2: echo floppy | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist10:11
bigcx2will try10:11
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crimsunxed: "in-mem" => running, as a process10:11
crimsunxed: the binary on-disk is only 1.1m10:12
xedOkay, so thats odd10:12
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xedthe sound is really choppy when playing a file in vlc10:12
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crimsunxed: but plays normally in another sound application?10:13
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xedNo.. I don't know what else I can play it in..10:13
crimsunxed: what type of file?10:14
viper12I posted sound chop/chirp crap issues with rythmbox in the forums today.......(streaming audio).......but no issues in gxine.  not surprised.10:14
xedokay so mplayer is odd enough10:14
crimsunxed: you could try totem-xine or mplayer10:14
thoreauputicviper12: have you tried muine?10:14
thoreauputicah - dunno if muine does streams...10:15
johnnybe1akhave you guys given the clear look themes a go? theyre pretty dam sweet10:15
viper12thoreauputic, I looked at it today, but still want to find out what 'broke' with rythm before just replacing it. (muine doesn't list streaming on their site.)10:15
thoreauputicviper12: yeah, I couldn't get muine to play streams here10:15
thoreauputicviper12: worked well on mp3 and ogg though10:16
xedWhat does it mean by "41 not upgraded"10:16
viper12thoreauputic, rythmbox was working perfectly with streams until 2 days ago with the monster updates....and now its super sensitive, choppy, and sometimes even plays garbage when clicking in other windowws.10:16
thoreauputicviper12: :(10:16
crimsunxed: are you using dist-upgrade or upgrade?10:16
johnnybe1akhmm mplayer didn't build *once again*10:16
viper12yeah.....another really cool app I've looked at is Musik....but that's a helluva ordeal to install.10:16
thoreauputicviper12: warty here10:16
viper12hoary here.10:17
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thoreauputicI guessed ;)10:17
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viper12bleedin' edge mah man.10:17
xedcrimsun, up..grade?10:17
thoreauputicviper12: but you get to keep *all* the pieces ;-)10:17
viper12damn right.......I earned em.  heh heh10:17
crimsunxed: what program are you using to update?10:18
xedthe.. terminal?10:18
viper12so far the fix for streaming is just shoutcast.com......click and let gxine play em.  works fine, but I sure liked being able to save the stuff in rythm10:18
xedI'm not upgrading, I was trying to get totem-xine10:18
crimsunsynaptic, apt-get, aptitude, dselect, ...10:18
Panzerboyhmm, i'm getting an error upgrading hoary10:18
xedNow I'm upgrading10:18
xedi typed in10:18
Panzerboyin gnome-icon-theme10:18
xedsudo apt-get upgrade10:18
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Panzerboyit is saying:10:19
Panzerboydpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):10:19
Panzerboy trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png', which is also in package gnome-panel-data10:19
Panzerboyany idea what's this?10:19
Panzerboyor what can i do to fix it?10:20
crimsunPanzerboy: did you use dist-upgrade?10:20
bob_hi! I wonder why the net is so slow on this machine.. I just installed warty and I'm behind a D-link adsl router. I had to set a static dns-server to get it to resolv anything at all..10:20
thoreauputicdelete or rename the file it wants to overwrite?10:20
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johnnybe1akhey guys how do i install a deb, that i download off the ubuntu website?10:20
crimsunPanzerboy: gnome-icon-theme_2.9.92-0ubuntu1 and gnome-panel-data_2.9.92-0ubuntu2 coexist fine on my system10:20
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viper12just teasing bob, but the answer is:  D-junk.........er d-link.  ;)10:21
thoreauputicsudo dpkg -i foo.deb10:21
bob_viper12, :)10:21
johnnybe1akthoreauputic: thnx10:21
bigcx2thanks crimsun10:21
bigcx2it worked10:21
xedoh geez, what'd I do?10:21
Panzerboycrimsun: nope, upgrade10:21
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xedits going at 600B/s .-.10:22
Panzerboyi've installed hoary from some old iso10:22
crimsunPanzerboy: you just need to run upgrade a couple times10:22
Panzerboycrimsun: and now i wanted to upgrade10:22
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bigcx2hey is there any cool nintendo 64 emulators out there for free?10:22
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Panzerboycrimsun: i've run it like 3 or 4 times10:22
crimsunPanzerboy: when you're working with hoary, it's best to use dist-upgrade right now10:22
Panzerboycrimsun: same thing10:22
viper12bigcx2..........check freshmeat or google it. (my suggestion there.)10:22
bob_viper12, it works perfectly on my lan at home :) but I thought it would be cool if my parents would run Linux too. they've been having trouble with their XP installation so I thought it was time :)10:22
Panzerboylet me try a dist-upgrade10:22
thoreauputicbigcx2: google is your friend...10:22
Panzerboylet's see what happens10:23
bigcx2yes i know google is my friend10:23
bigcx2ok will do10:23
johnnybe1akdam mplayer haha10:23
bigcx2gnight all10:23
Panzerboycrimsun: i'm doing a dist-upgrade now10:23
viper12I'm building my Father an ubuntu box as well..........so I can relate bob. and having issues with the dell dimension2400from hell for my troubles. lol10:23
johnnybe1akanyone know what this means or how i can fix it10:23
johnnybe1akdpkg: error processing libavcodec2-dev_0.4.9-pre1-0.2_powerpc.deb (--install):10:24
johnnybe1ak trying to overwrite `/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h', which is also in package libavcodec-dev10:24
johnnybe1akdpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)10:24
crimsunjohnnybe1ak: sudo apt-get remove libavcodec-dev10:24
johnnybe1akcrimsun: thanks man10:24
bob_viper12, ah cool! I brought 2 gfx cards and 2 network cards just in case.. but not an extra adsl modem :(10:24
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viper12bob that would be murphy's law, methinks.10:25
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crimsunneed some rest, night all.10:25
bob_viper12, mhm... :) at least I see on google others been having trouble with it as well....10:26
viper12take it easy crimsun10:26
Panzerboynight crimsun10:27
viper12the 2400?  yep.....brookdale garbage chip, no agp port, e17fp P.O.S. flat panel,.....sigh...........not worth the 500 bucks it cost..was kinda' surprised. (usually have good luck with dell.)10:27
xedE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?10:27
xedWhat does that mean?10:27
xednight crimsun10:27
xedthanks again..10:27
Panzerboyxed: that means you are using two dpgk-s in the same time10:27
tgaxed: exactly what it says10:27
Panzerboylike apt-get with synaptic10:27
xedhow do I get it to.. NOT say that? O.o10:27
Panzerboystop one of the processes10:27
xed..well I don't see any other process running10:27
viper12do you have synaptic up in another window?10:28
xedFor the dpkg atleast..10:28
uMkulusynaptic is the packagemanager GUI on dpkg based systems10:28
viper12package manager xed.10:28
xedwell I don't see it..10:28
Panzerboyor maybe aptitude or dselect10:28
Panzerboyviper12: ? :)10:28
xedhow do I get all the dpkgs to stop?10:28
Panzerboysudo killall -9 dpkg10:28
viper12frickin' hated aptitude and dselect.  >luvs synaptic for simplicity and ease of use.10:29
johnnybe1akmplayer works!!!!!! woot :) thanks for your help guys!10:29
viper12excellent johnnybe1ak10:29
Panzerboyviper12: i use apt-get10:29
xeddpkg: no process killed10:29
Panzerboyjohnnybe1ak: did you compile it from the source?10:29
viper12I use synaptic unless absolutely FORCED to go command line.10:29
johnnybe1akPanzerboy: no i got build errors10:29
Panzerboyjohnnybe1ak: of you took it from some repo?10:29
viper12smart upgrad is my friend.10:29
bob_viper12, no I meant the d-link 504t..10:29
Panzerboyviper12: :)10:30
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viper12lmao.........well that goes without saying bob. lmao10:30
xedSo.. that process killing thing didn't work Panzerboy10:30
Panzerboybut when do you get that error?10:30
johnnybe1akPanzerboy: from the multiverse for some reason the dependancies werent showing up even though theyre in the ubuntu repositories so i just downloaded them off the ubuntu web site10:30
Panzerboywhat are you trying to do ?10:30
xedkill the dpkg processes, which are supposedly running and I can't see them?10:30
Panzerboyjohnnybe1ak: the dependencies?10:30
thoreauputicxed: do you have several terminals open? Are you in process of installing something else?10:30
xedthoreauputic, I have one running10:31
johnnybe1akPanzerboy: yeah10:31
xedI remember pressing ctrl+x on something (and upgrade) and it stopped10:31
Panzerboyxed: and you want to start another one?10:31
thoreauputicxed: that message always mens apt is busy10:31
Panzerboyjohnnybe1ak: thanks, i will install mplayer later :)10:31
xedthat ctrl+x probably had something to do with it10:31
viper12something got orphaned possibly.......10:31
thoreauputicxed: you have to wait for the process to finish10:31
Panzerboyalways press ctrl+c10:31
Panzerboynot +x10:31
xedwell i did press it while an upgrade was running..10:32
Panzerboyps aux | grep dpkg ?10:32
johnnybe1aknow to get some non ugly skin for mplayer :P10:32
Panzerboywhat is it showing?10:32
tgamaybe you pressed ctrl+z10:32
xedah, that might be it tga10:32
xedI don't know10:32
viper12xed, you could fiddle and hunt for awhile.......or just reboot and get it taken care of. ;)10:32
Panzerboytga: :-)10:32
Panzerboyz is near x :P10:32
tgaxed: try fg10:32
xedviper12: i think I might go into windows to continue my torrents.. =|10:32
thoreauputicviper12: reboot?? this is Linux!10:32
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tgajust 1-2 keys apart.. not much difference10:33
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viper12yeah, it IS thoreau.......and linux reboots like a rocket........and rather than spend three hours on a mistake........sometimes the path of least resistance.....is the most efficeint at solving the problem. ;)10:33
viper12too much time is money 'engineer' in me i guess. lol10:34
thoreauputicviper12: heretic!10:34
viper12and damn proud of it. lol10:34
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spazeryhow do i stop services from loading when the computer boots up? can anyone help??10:34
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tgaspacey: update-rc.d -f SERVICENAME remove10:35
tgaspacey: man update-rc.d for more info10:35
Panzerboytga: there is no graphical runlevel editor in ubuntu ?10:35
tgaI have no idea10:36
thoreauputicNo one expects the Spanish Inquisition!10:36
tgantsysv? :)10:36
Panzerboycause that update-rc.d is so unintuitive :p10:36
spiralhmmm... kde 3.4 is normally going to be released in almost 10 days... Do you know if it will be integrated in hoary ?10:36
viper12lmao x 10 thoreauputic .......my inbox does "thwaaaang........message for you sir!"10:36
tgaat least it does the job10:36
viper12spiral......do a search on ubuntu web site for:  KUbuntu10:37
thoreauputicviper12: black helicopters - ETA 30seconds10:37
viper12you're not paranoid if THEY really ARE out to get you. ;)10:38
thoreauputicviper12: Everyone hates me because I'm paranoid10:38
spiralviper12: all right... I'll check with this :-)10:39
viper12"know thyself" is very important thoreauputic10:39
viper12heh heh.10:39
thoreauputicindeed ;-)10:39
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viper12cool spiral.......the KUbuntu project is running in parallel with the main....with the KDE environment.10:39
tgathe question is whether it's spiraling up or down10:40
viper12although I personally don't like KDE, its cool that the project is running, as 'viva la'difference is better than "you must run THIS". :)10:40
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tgaviva la flamewar10:40
bob_ttyl! :)10:40
viper12lmao tga.  (I said PERSONALLY)....not it 'sucks.  heh heh10:41
asproHello, I am running a fully updated hoary and I run XFCE as my DE, for some reason gnome-integrated apps seem to take forever to load up and azureus (java gtk program) doesnt load at all10:41
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mipsHelp ! I just installed AMD64 Hoary, after doing the Nvidia install X wont start ?10:41
xedokay, so I'm avoiding Windows here10:41
asprowith a plain array-4 install they work perfectly10:41
xedI tried installing BitTornado onto #ubuntu10:41
spiralviper12: this sounds quite nice :-)10:41
thoreauputicxed: good man :)10:41
johnnybe1akmips: whats the error?10:41
uMkuluthe error is something like couldn't load my gnome..10:41
viper12aspro........are you using xorg + fglrx?10:42
viper12thought you'd like that spiral.10:42
asproxorg + nvidia, it only happens to select gtk apps10:42
mipsjohnnybe1ak, says it cannot start the x server10:42
thoreauputichmm uMkulu has some bot problems...10:42
xedSo.. I can't find where it went10:42
xedbittornado that10:42
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tgauMkulu: mumu?10:43
uMkulumumu is good10:43
viper12aspro there are known issues with the latest xorg and the fglrx (nvidia) drivers.......which are causing redraw and other issues...tis possible that's whats causing the problems.10:43
thoreauputichi uMkulu :)10:43
xedwhere'd bittornado go?10:43
xedI installed it.. and it went poof.. bye bye. it went away10:43
xedNow I'm sad10:43
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asprohmm okay, but this isnt redraw, its like not doing a thing for around 2 minutes or so10:44
thoreauputicxed: try `locate bittornado`10:44
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DmitrifluitmanI know it's OK to be a newbie10:44
Dmitrifluitmanbut it still feels odd :D10:44
PanzerboyDmitrifluitman: no, it's not :-)10:45
viper12its also possible that being hoary and development something has been borked when running another environment and loading the gnome libraries to run the apps.10:45
Dmitrifluitmanthen I'll leave10:45
Panzerboyall newbies will be punished :D10:45
xedwarning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory10:45
xedthat ..isn't good10:45
thoreauputicKill the newbie !! ;-)10:45
tgaother than scaling my frequency all the way down what else can I do to prevent my laptop fan from starting?10:45
xedI'm dead =(10:45
thoreauputicDmitrifluitman: what's the problem?10:45
uMkuluthe problem is i cant open it via menu10:45
flangetga: use it in the fridge? ;)10:45
DmitrifluitmanI installed ubuntu just yesterday10:45
thoreauputicxed: sudo updatedb && locate bittornado10:45
Dmitrifluitmannow I want to install a ftp prog10:46
Panzerboymy gnome-volume-manager just crashed10:46
thoreauputicand ignore the "error"10:46
tgaI remember it being a lot quieter with the ACPI processor module loaded, but that was back on Gentoo10:46
DmitrifluitmanI've got the .gz10:46
PanzerboyDmitrifluitman: www.ubuntuguide.org10:46
viper12aspro, have you checked the hoary forums regarding this?  you may wanna post the problem there....may alert someone to a problem.10:46
PanzerboyDmitrifluitman: very good lecture10:46
PanzerboyDmitrifluitman: not the .gx10:46
Panzerboyc'mon man, this is debian10:46
Panzerboyno more gx10:46
Panzerboygz lol10:46
Panzerboytga: :)10:46
xedUmm.. okay that did.. nothing thoreauputic10:47
asproviper12, i checked the forums, will post something about it10:47
Dmitrifluitmanno it's a bz210:47
DmitrifluitmanBut I'll just read :)10:47
thoreauputicxed: did you let it run? It takes several minutes10:47
xedwarning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory10:47
xedand it just blinks...10:47
viper12nods....seeing that the apps DO run eventually, sounds like a library issue or a call, but that would be damn hard to suss out.10:47
xedwell that might explain why my CPU frequency just went up10:47
thoreauputicxed , it's running10:47
viper12or easy......but murphy says 'hard'.10:47
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xedokay so now its done10:48
thoreauputicxed, you won't see anything10:48
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xedI see...some things10:48
xedits done..10:48
PanzerboyDmitrifluitman: what ftp client are you trying to install ?10:48
thoreauputicso now `locate bittornado` or whatever10:48
thoreauputicyou should see a list of stuff10:48
xedI see the list10:48
Dmitrifluitmanpanzerboy kbear10:48
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saifhello every110:49
uMkulubonjour, Dmitrifluitman10:49
PanzerboyDmitrifluitman: is that kde based?10:49
thoreauputicxed: look for something in /usr/bin10:49
Dmitrifluitmanmoment :)10:49
xedI see a few things, thoreauputic10:49
thoreauputicxed; that's where the executable usually lands10:49
Panzerboyi guess, since the name starts with k :P10:49
Dmitrifluitmanpanzerboy yes10:49
xedwhat ..wait-- wha?10:49
thoreauputicanyone know the command for bittornado? I don't...10:50
PanzerboyDmitrifluitman: well then, you have to read that guide10:50
PanzerboyDmitrifluitman: it will teach you how to add new repositories10:50
Panzerboybecause i guess that kbear depends on some kdelibs10:50
xedWhere is Desktop located, in the file system?10:50
tgaxed: /home/xed/Desktop10:50
Panzerboywhich are not installed by default, given the fact that Ubuntu is a gnome distro10:50
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saifhehe, i just installed ubuntu warty and it asked me if i wish to download software from the internet and i said yes, how long is this gonna take approx.? on a 128 connection?10:51
tgasaif: a long time10:51
Panzerboysaif: a loooong time :P10:51
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Dmitrifluitmanpanzerboy Thnx10:51
Panzerboygo get a beer, or smth10:51
xedgot bittornado working10:51
Panzerboyand relax10:51
viper12welp, eyeball-burn sets in.  take care all. :)10:51
thoreauputicsaif: make your will now ;-)10:51
tgasaif: the good news is that you can stop it and continue dowloading later10:52
xednow to figure out a way to put a shortcut on desktop10:52
Panzerboybbl people10:52
saifyeah, too bad they use gnome, i really prefer kde10:52
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Panzerboysaif: see KUbuntu10:52
thoreauputicsaif: you can get it if you want10:52
mipsHelp ! I just installed AMD64 Hoary, after doing the Nvidia install X wont start ? Anybody ?10:52
Panzerboysaif: some .iso was released yesterday, or the day before10:52
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tgamips: did you modprobe nvidia?10:53
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mipstga, no, im new to this, no idea what modprobe is10:53
thoreauputicxed: right click, new launcher , type command, choose icon10:53
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spiralhmmm... if I try adding the kubuntu repo for kde 3.4 testing and updating, it wants to remove package kde & kdeartwork... is it normal ?10:53
mipstga, ok, changed my xorg.conf back to "nv" driver and now I can get X up10:54
xedthoreauputic, done10:54
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brosioanyone can me explain the different beetween hoary and warty ?10:54
thoreauputicxed: :)10:54
xednow to figure out why tornado isn't connecting to trackers..10:54
brosiowarty=stable ?10:54
brosiohoary=unstable ?10:54
thoreauputicbrosio: yep10:54
spiralbrosio: hoary is the next release...10:54
spiralbrosio: yeah, unstable for now10:54
brosiospiral exist also a testing10:54
thoreauputicbrosio: no10:54
thoreauputicbrosio: warty, hoary10:55
thoreauputicso far10:55
brosioso the release with more recently package is hoary ?10:55
spiralbrosio: yes10:55
xedwhere are my other partitions in the file system?10:55
xedI have a shortcut on desktop..10:55
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brosiook perfect i'll add it during the apt-setup thx10:55
thoreauputicit isn't released as such: still developing10:55
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thoreauputicxed, what is the connection between partitions and your question?10:56
TziHi! =)10:56
thoreauputicxed, what are you wanting to do?10:57
TziI've just set up Ubuntu on a machine with an i740 video card.. the display is extremely slow - Windows redraw very slowly, in a vertical wipe...10:57
xedwait wait10:57
xedthere it is10:57
TziDoes anyone know what I need to do?10:57
xedI opened up an unfinished torrent10:57
xedlocated where it was on my other partition10:57
xednow resuming it10:57
xedand wondering why it isn't connecting to any trackers..10:57
saifPanzerboy thanx! i am current;ly using hoary and i got used to it, and everyhting is runing fine, and i don't want anything to get messed up, is there a possiblity of messing this up by installing kubuntu?10:57
xedso powernowd lets me control cpu frequency manually?10:59
TziHmm... maybe 16 bit10:59
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xedo..k.. so this isn't working..10:59
xedwaaait waaait10:59
xedexcept its uploading massively10:59
xedI think I might need to do some DMZ setup thingy10:59
thoreauputicxed: you specialise in stream-of-consciousness?11:00
xed...not sure11:00
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xedBut now I need to figure out what my IP is... network ip11:00
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xedI'm going to put on me downloads and go to sleep11:01
xed4:00 am here11:01
xedor 5:0011:01
xednot sure if the clock on ubuntu is accurate11:01
xedthanks for all the help/patience thoreauputic11:01
xedTake care.11:02
thoreauputicsudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart11:02
thoreauputicxed: you're welcome - sleep well11:02
thoreauputicau revoir11:02
laxisehelp pls ... i need to install mc ... how to do it11:03
tgalaxise: sudo apt-get install mc11:03
thoreauputiclaxise: you might need to enable the universe repository11:03
laxisebut i need to download a package with mc11:04
thoreauputicand we just told you how to get mc11:04
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thoreauputic1) enable universe 2)  sudo apt-get install mc11:04
laxiseenable universe ??? what is that supposed to mean???11:05
laxiseim just startung with linux11:05
thoreauputiclaxise: OK11:05
thoreauputiclaxise: do you know the package manager (synaptic) ?11:06
tgalaxise: use Synaptic, the package manager GUI11:06
laxiseno i dont11:06
thoreauputiccomputer >> system configuration>> synaptic package manager11:07
thoreauputicin settings, find repositories11:07
laxisei already found it by typing synaptic into a terminal11:07
thoreauputiccheck univers, then hit the reload button11:07
thoreauputicin settings, find repositories11:08
Echylohow to unblock somebody in gaim?11:08
laxiseok wait11:08
thoreauputiclaxise: check universe, (and everything else, I suggest)11:08
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thoreauputicuMkulu: howto11:10
uMkuluhowto is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15 for a listing of useful howtos and frequently asked questions11:10
thoreauputiclaxise: ^^^^11:10
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thoreauputicuMkulu is a bot BTW11:10
spiralhmmm... reboot...11:11
thoreauputicuMkulu: keywords11:13
uMkulukeywords is australia backports be  bugzilla free french games german google restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers reconfigure restart root spanish man11:13
thoreauputicuMkulu: faq11:14
uMkulufaq is the Frequently Asked Questions about Ubuntu at  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/11:14
laxisethoreauputic>>> thx11:14
thoreauputiclaxise: no worries :) Come back if you have problems :)11:14
laxiseok ill do it for sure11:14
thoreauputiclaxise: also you might look at this11:14
thoreauputicuMkulu: guide11:14
uMkuluguide is the official Ubuntu guide at http://ubuntuguide.org - for help with restricted formats, mplayer and all manner of other helpful stuff.....11:14
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mipsOk, I'm hurting myself here. I cannot get Nvidia drivers to work on HoaryAMD6411:15
mipsI have followed all instructions but to no avail11:15
unamauscould someone explain to me how to configure fglrx for dual head on a radeon11:15
mipsunamaus, so seem to be a few steps ahead of me !?11:16
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