[12:00] <BiteMeBill> bulio: what network card do you have?
[12:00] <BiteMeBill> zenrox: Why did that bot tell me something didn't look right?
[12:00] <Quarupt> How can I male it so i can call the limewire script from anywhere? put it in my PATH?
[12:01] <Quarupt> make
[12:01] <bulio> Pci/PnP network:
[12:01] <bulio> Device Description	Type
[12:01] <bulio> Hewlett-Packard EN1207D-TX 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter	PCI
[12:02] <BiteMeBill> bulio: Ok BRB
[12:02] <cybergasm> what version of debian is ubuntu based on?
[12:02] <Levander> Is there anything to getting a default ubuntu mysql install to allow connections to come in from other machines other than commenting out skip-networking in my.cnf?
[12:02] <Quarupt> sid
[12:03] <Quarupt> cybergasm, Im pretty sure its sid
[12:04] <Quarupt> maybe Warty is based on woody or sarge and Hoary is based on sid
[12:04] <Loevborg> Levander, yes
[12:04] <mjr> Quarupt, not exactly
[12:05] <Loevborg> Levander, the permissions for your databases might specify that only localhost ist allowed
[12:05] <mjr> warty is based on sid too, just an earlier snapshot
[12:05] <Quarupt> oh
[12:05] <Quarupt> well ya lean something evceryday
[12:05] <Quarupt> Thanks
[12:06] <Loevborg> Levander, to check: mysql -uroot -p mysql, select * from user;
[12:06] <Quarupt> mjr can you refresh my memory on how so add a .sh to your path so it can be galled anywhere?
[12:06] <Quarupt> something in bash.rc right?
[12:07] <Quarupt> or basgrc.conf or whatever is is
[12:07] <Quarupt> bashrc.conf
[12:09] <scizzo> anyone knows which is used mostly acpid or apm?
[12:09] <spiral> 'night
[12:09] <billytwowilly> acpid
[12:09] <billytwowilly> apm=old and busted
[12:09] <scizzo> hmmm..ok
[12:10] <elcuco> which application do i have to watch tv?
[12:10] <Levander> loevborg, i get table output from that command that looks like it's supposed to be in columns, but the columns get all messed up on my screen
[12:10] <Alessio> sorry
[12:10] <Alessio> i use gxmame
[12:10] <Alessio> but it doesn't find my roms
[12:10] <Alessio> but hte path is ggod
[12:10] <Alessio> *good
[12:11] <Loevborg> Levander, yes, we all love mysql's output :)
[12:11] <IRCMonkey> I have an installation question for which I have found no help in the support forums
[12:11] <IRCMonkey> anybody willing to listen?
[12:11] <Levander> you know which columns i'm supposed to look for so i can only query for those, really can't figure out that output
[12:11] <Loevborg> Levander, "user" I suppose
[12:12] <raydogg``> when was array 5 released ?
[12:12] <Quarupt> so v=can someone help me add this script to the PATh so i can call it from anywhere
[12:12] <Levander> loevborg, okay, i get root, debian-sys-maint, and root as results
[12:13] <Levander> loevborg, but u know i get the host not allowed message even when i'm using telnet, that doesn't know anything about which user
[12:13] <Levander> telnet 127.0.0.1 3306 gives same error
[12:14] <Loevborg> Levander, "select Host,User from user;"
[12:14] <Loevborg> Levander, if you get "localhost"s, then you've found your problem.
[12:14] <Loevborg> Levander, you're probably better off creating a new user for wordpress anyway.
[12:15] <Levander> loevborg, no root is is in two rows, one with localhost as the host, the other with bread (the DNS name of my linux box) in the host column
[12:15] <Levander> loevborg, this is simply to learn more about mysql, i'll get it running, then make it run correctly
[12:15] <Loevborg> Levander, you can change that to "%"
[12:16] <IRCMonkey> I have a major installation problem without an apparent solution
[12:16] <Levander> change what to %?
[12:16] <uMkulu> Levander: that doesn't look right
[12:16] <Loevborg> Levander, then try if it changes a thing
[12:16] <IRCMonkey> maybe somebody can help me out
[12:16] <BiteMeBill> Anyone else here have problems with an HP network card not being compatable?
[12:16] <Loevborg> Levander, update Host="%" where user="root";
[12:16] <Phillbo> anyone set up pptp to a ms2k3 box with warty yet? any help appreciated
[12:17] <Loevborg> Levander, but you'd better use the "grant" command for real life - see mysql documentation.
[12:17] <Quarupt> can i put export PATH=/home/user/Limewire/runLime.sh:${PATH} anywhere in my bashrc ?
[12:18] <Levander> loevborg, instead of changing all root users to %, can I change just the root user on bread to %? Just sounds safer
[12:18] <Levander> update host="%" where user="root" and host="bread"; give me a syntax error
[12:18] <Loevborg> Levander, sure. I leave that as an excercise to you to figure out :)
[12:18] <Levander> learning mysql sux
[12:19] <Loevborg> Levander, try single quotes :|
[12:19] <Quarupt> anyone?
[12:19] <Levander> loevborg, same error, i think the problem is i'm not specifying the table name
[12:20] <kent> Do a normal desktop need evms to be installed? Enterprise Volume Management sounds like something i dont neeed.. ?
[12:20] <Loevborg> Levander, oops sorry, I'm rusty
[12:20] <Loevborg> Levander, update user etc etc...
[12:20] <Loevborg> Levander, update user set host='%' where ...;
[12:20] <Loevborg> Levander, fortunately, I don't do much sql nowadays :)
[12:21] <Levander> okay, that worked, i have to commit or anything before trying to connect again?
[12:21] <Loevborg> Levander, remember to issue "flush privilleges;" after that
[12:21] <socomm> Are there any plans for better multimedia integration into ubuntu's interface?
[12:21] <Loevborg> with correct spelling, preferrably :)
[12:21] <Levander> says, okay! i'm about to try it!!!
[12:22] <Levander> uhoh, might be working!!! hold on!!!
[12:23] <Levander> well, telneting into the localhost on that port doesn't kick me out anymore
[12:23] <Levander> but
[12:23] <rcchan> anybody wanna help a newb (me), with a screen resolution issue?
[12:24] <Levander> using the mysql connector/odbc on my xp box to connect gives me different error, 'Access denied for root@192.168.254.1'.  That's the IP of my XP box.
[12:25] <StoffBox-Steve> seems it work :D
[12:27] <hayden> i just installed hoary and the cursors changed to default linux ones, how can i change them back to the default ubuntu ones
[12:27] <Loevborg> Levander, mysqld just has some decency.
[12:28] <Levander> Loevborg, decency?
[12:28] <Loevborg> or taste.
[12:28] <Levander> ha, screw u man, this is taking me way to long!
[12:28] <Levander> but thanks for your help
[12:28] <Levander> i'm gonna look for some docs in the ubuntu wiki, then give up for the day i think
[12:29] <Loevborg> Levander, sure. I know the feeling. I hate setting it up myself.
[12:29] <Loevborg> Levander, you can also look into the log.
[12:29] <Levander> idiots in the mysql channel pointed me to the mysql.com docs for grant, that page is like 4,000 words long.  Those guys really help a brother out!
[12:31] <rcchan> has anyone had a need for 855resolution?
[12:31] <johnnybezak> if i upgrade all my packages to hoary, what happens with X?
[12:33] <BiteMeBill> johnnybezak: your X moves out but takes your dog with here though.
[12:33] <BiteMeBill> sorry couldn't resist.
[12:35] <johnnybezak> BiteMeBill: lol
[12:35] <johnnybezak> no but seriously, will it copy my xfree config to wherever the x.org config is stored?
[12:36] <BiteMeBill> johnnybezak: I'm not sure but I haven't heard anyone complain about losing it.
[12:37] <johnnybezak> BiteMeBill: ok
[12:37] <Rocha> Hello, just another question...
[12:37] <dazed> hey who knows about smb support to get on windows networking???
[12:37] <BiteMeBill> Rocha: did that work?
[12:37] <Rocha> How can I configure my computer to connect to a vpn network?
[12:37] <johnnybezak> dazed: i know a little
[12:37] <Rocha> BiteMeBill, nop, i asked my collegue to make the drawings with open office.
[12:37] <ompaul> Rocha, the best software I found for that is OpenVPN
[12:38] <dazed> johnny bezak can you help me out?
[12:38] <johnnybezak> dazed: i can give it a go :)
[12:38] <Rocha> ompaul, ok, i'll try that
[12:38] <Rocha> ompaul, i hope it's easy to configure, i'm in a hurry
[12:38] <ompaul> Rocha, it should almost work out of the box - you need to let icmp into the network
[12:38] <dazed> ok well im on nix and im on my friends windows network i want to do some file sharing i goto networking click on enable windows networking and it says SMB support is not running
[12:39] <ompaul> it needs to keep the hidden channel alive and does so with a ping every 15 seconds as default behaviour
[12:39] <Yannick_> anyone succeeded on installing grub on and S-ATA drive?
[12:40] <ompaul> Rocha, it is not bad if you read the docs,  most important thing is to make sure you use the same version of the various ends
[12:41] <Rocha> ompaul, i want to connect to my university, i need to upload some files to deliver a project i'm working on
[12:42] <ompaul> Rocha, do they not accept ssh logins?
[12:42] <hayden> i just installed hoary and the cursors changed to default linux ones, how can i change them back to the default ubuntu ones
[12:43] <johnnybezak> dazed: have you got samba installed?
[12:43] <ompaul> Rocha, then any machine on the network that accepts ssh connections will allow you run sftp or scp to log in and transfer files
[12:43] <Rocha> ompaul, only inside our personal accounts, i'm not using my personal account, i'm using a computer inside the computer science department but not my personal account
[12:44] <ompaul> well you need the same software on both ends for the VPN to work
[12:44] <ompaul> Rocha, or email them all to yourself :)
[12:45] <harunL> is there anyway of installing ubuntu on a laptop which is currently running windows but has its floppy and cdrom IO screwed up (can't read/write at all) ?
[12:45] <Rocha> ompaul, i'll send the project by email to my teacher
[12:45] <Loevborg> harunL, maybe via usb stick?
[12:45] <Rocha> ompaul, thanks anyway
[12:45] <ompaul> hokay
[12:46] <delltony> Riddell, i have a question in kde how do you change the fonts? for instance like firefox the place where you type (address field) the text is small as crap
[12:47] <Riddell> delltony: kcontrol
[12:47] <Riddell> don't know if that effects firefox, shouldn't think so
[12:47] <hawke_> Riddell: it doesn't..
[12:47] <Ziggity> help./...
[12:47] <Ziggity> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check when ./configure monodevelop
[12:47] <Ziggity> whats that mean
[12:48] <hawke_> delltony: Gnome preferences, font might do it...or it might be in firefox's preferences.
[12:48] <hawke_> or kcontrol if under kde possibly.
[12:48] <Ziggity> how do I fix it//
[12:49] <delltony> aww so under themes?
[12:49] <Ziggity> whats that about... configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[12:50] <kent> Ziggity, do you have the package "build-essential" installed?
[12:50] <plex0r_> how do i add a ubuntu system to a windows netrwork
[12:50] <scizzo> wow....never thought that cleaning up the ratnest of packages would be so boring.... :P
[12:50] <plex0r_> the only thing the nix system can do is log onto xchat..
[12:50] <delltony> curious what font do you recommend?
[12:50] <Ziggity> kent, I don
[12:50] <sic|> plex0r: samba
[12:51] <hayden> i just installed hoary and when i try to type hash (shift + 3) the english pound sign comes up, how can i fix that
[12:51] <Ziggity> kent, I dont know.. how do I check?
[12:51] <ompaul> hayden, you can do dpkg-reconfigure locale
[12:51] <ggeecko> is ubuntu stable to run a server
[12:51] <ompaul> hayden, sudo before that
[12:51] <sic|> plex0r: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=samba
[12:52] <kent> Ziggity, do you know how to start synaptic from the menu? Start that program and search for a package named build-essential
[12:52] <hayden> ok ill try
[12:52] <plex0r> it might help if the network card is in too :p
[12:52] <plex0r> this is for dazed
[12:52] <plex0r> :p
[12:52] <hayden> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed
[12:53] <sic|> plex0r: its usually a good idea to check the wiki or google before asking here...some people get all bent out of shape if you don't research first...I personally don't care..but you know how it is
[12:53] <plex0r> yeah
[12:53] <sic|> of course that applies to any help
[12:53] <lamont> phosphorgreen: /etc/postfix/master.cf smtpd entries need to be edited
[12:54] <sic|> ubuntu community is by far more helpful then anyone else though....very little I am too l33t to talk to you in here...in fact, I am yet to see that kind of attitude...these people rock
[12:55] <Ziggity> kent.. found it.. installing it now..
[12:55] <Ziggity> thanx
[12:56] <Ziggity> does anyone here use Monodevelop?
[12:57] <Mitario> hmm, if an app that uses an open API (XML RPC) that is released under the LGPL, can I release the app I write under the GPL then? or should I also use the LGPL
[12:57] <hayden> ompaul, do u know why it said this-> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed
[12:58] <Ziggity> ok.. now this error... configure: error: Library requirements (gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.0
[12:58] <Ziggity> ) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your l ibraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. HELP!!
[12:58] <ompaul> hayden, because at the time I suggested it my brain was fried hang on a sec
[12:58] <Ziggity> how do I adjust that??
[12:58] <hayden> ompaul, lol ok
[12:59] <Quarupt> whats a good book for linux beginners
[12:59] <Quarupt> maybe a pdf or a ebook i can get?
[12:59] <Quarupt> maybe rute
[12:59] <ompaul> Quarupt, any online resource like the ubuntu site or the www.tldp.org
[01:00] <Ziggity> how Do I setup my ubuntu as an Email or webserver??
[01:00] <Ziggity> is there any guide??
[01:00] <hayden> apache
[01:01] <Quarupt> no like i said i want something i can use offline, like an ebook or a pdf
[01:01] <WebMaven_> Quarupt: what *kind* of beginner?
[01:01] <techn9ne> ummm theres too much to know for a "guide"
[01:01] <techn9ne> the simple stuff is on ubuntuguide
[01:01] <techn9ne> the rest you gotta search for as you need it
[01:01] <WebMaven_> Quarupt: beginning developer? Beginning User?
[01:01] <techn9ne> are you looking for a tutorial for command line stuff?
[01:01] <techn9ne> like what do you want to do?
[01:02] <techn9ne> http://www.linuxcommand.org/ ... if you want command line 101
[01:02] <kent> Ziggity, libgnomevfs2-dev   install that package  and see if it works.
[01:02] <Ziggity> where can I learn the inners of networking. so that I can setup my ubuntu in a Windows network to share printer and act as a firewall, mail server and possiblly (another machine) as a webserver
[01:02] <Quarupt> beginning user
[01:02] <Ziggity> kent : thanx - -doing that now
[01:02] <StoffBox-Steve> 2nd screen goes blank when enter X
[01:02] <techn9ne> Ziggity: ummm find a guide on samba, iptables, apache
[01:02] <andeeje> does anyone know why I cant run teamspeak or a music player and ET at the same time ?
[01:03] <kent> Ziggity, for information about setting up a server to share files with windows computers, search for samba  on the ubuntu homepage.
[01:03] <ompaul> hayden, sorry my brain is really fried why it happened I can't figure out
[01:03] <Ziggity> samba.. ok--
[01:03] <techn9ne> Ziggity: firewalls shouldnt do anything but be a firewall
[01:03] <techn9ne> if you have a dedicated system smoothwall is good
[01:03] <ompaul> hayden, have a look at what is in /etc/locale.gen and tell me (and the channel) then tell me what country you want it to be for
[01:03] <Xenguy_> Ziggity: shorewall (firewall) is a good implementation of iptables BTW, and also handles NAT/ipmasq
[01:03] <hayden> hmm thats ok ompaul, do u know a website where i could maybe find out for myself
[01:04] <hayden> en_AU ISO-8859-1
[01:04] <hayden> en_AU.UTF-8 UTF-8
[01:04] <Xenguy_> techn9ne: that makes no sense, and shorewall proves you wrong :-)
[01:04] <hayden> Australia
[01:04] <uMkulu> rumour has it Australia is the place to be
[01:04] <johnnybezak> don't believe everything you hear :)
[01:05] <delltony> ok this is strange i thought i was doing it right i went to the kcontrol panel after installing lipstick theme and i went to style and selected lipstick and hit apply but i see no changes what am i doing wrong :(
[01:05] <Ziggity> Xenguy_, whats NAT??
[01:05] <boogie> alligators and lions
[01:05] <Xenguy> Ziggity: network address translation
[01:05] <eleazar> hi there, i just installed Ubuntu. but it never asked me to set my root password, now how do i set it?
[01:05] <techn9ne> ok ill try shorewall
[01:05] <Xenguy> Ziggity: basically similar to ipmasq
[01:05] <techn9ne> i think that firewalls should be a single computer doing nothing but that
[01:06] <plex0r> johnnybezak
[01:06] <plex0r> this is dazed
[01:06] <Xenguy> techn9ne: the author is a firewall professional IIRC (and FWIW :-)
[01:06] <ompaul> hayden, that does not look right :)
[01:06] <techn9ne> ok
[01:06] <hayden> hmm
[01:07] <Xenguy> techn9ne: I guess a dedicated firewall box (or router) is best practice, but not all of us can afford that (or bother doing things right ;-)
[01:07] <techn9ne> well i use a p133
[01:07] <techn9ne> cost me $15 on ebay
[01:07] <Ziggity> OK.. now I got a problem. the MonoDevelop is comaplaining about blah..blah.. gnome-sharp but I can't find it with synamptic!!
[01:08] <andeeje> does anyone know why I cant run teamspeak or a music player and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory at the same time ? ET just freezes
[01:08] <johnnybezak> plex0r: yep
[01:08] <johnnybezak> andeeje: sounds like a sound problem :P
[01:08] <plex0r> johnnybezak: im trying to net the 2 comps right...and now my nix comp cant even use the internet connection
[01:09] <plex0r> i cant get on xchat or google or gaim or nothing
[01:09] <Xenguy> Ziggity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation
[01:09] <johnnybezak> plex0r: lol going from bad to worse
[01:09] <andeeje> johnnybezak: thats what I thought but cant seem to fix it
[01:09] <NeoCicak> plex0r: are you connected to the network?
[01:09] <plex0r> yes
[01:09] <kent> hmm,  the trash applet is kind of stupid some times. I tried the gnome svg theme found on gnome-look.org,  and those icons are a bit larger than the default and trash applet gets hidden behind the icon so i cant see if the applet is ready to swallow the file or not, some times the file gets added to the panel instead, since i missed the trash :(  And, those icons are not *that* big, so i think its an issue with the trashcan. It should let me know if its ready t
[01:09] <kent> o eat files :(
[01:09] <NeoCicak> plex0r: can you ping other computers?
[01:09] <zabulus> if gnome starts, gaim starts 2 times :s (two windows) how do i put that off?
[01:09] <johnnybezak> plex0r: can you ping websites
[01:09] <delltony> do you have to restart kde for styles to take effect?
[01:09] <plex0r> neocrak...how do i ping?
[01:10] <plex0r> \<<--- new to nix
[01:10] <johnnybezak> man ping hehe
[01:10] <NeoCicak> plex0r: ping <ip address>
[01:10] <techn9ne> plex0r: ummm type ping
[01:10] <johnnybezak> no just type ping -c 5 addresstobepinged
[01:10] <Riddell> delltony: it may only apply to newly started applications
[01:10] <NeoCicak> plex0r: quick thought.. maybe your dns is wrong
[01:10] <Xenguy> plex0r: ping <ipAddressGoesHere>
[01:10] <johnnybezak> (without the -c switch it won't work)
[01:10] <kent> zabulus, close one of them, and then save the session (logout and click on save session)  (have no other programs running that you dont want to run next time.. )
[01:10] <johnnybezak> woah
[01:10] <johnnybezak> thats wrong
[01:10] <Xenguy> plex0r: on the command line
[01:10] <delltony>  its suppose to be for the panel
[01:10] <johnnybezak> it will work it will just keep going indefinetly
[01:10] <plex0r> i can ping the network
[01:10] <zabulus> ah k thx kent!
[01:10] <delltony> according to kdelook.org
[01:11] <NeoCicak> plex0r: then chances is that your gateway & dns are wrong
[01:11] <johnnybezak> can you ping google or something like that
[01:11] <delltony> its suppose to make the panel different but anyway :(
[01:11] <plex0r> wait
[01:11] <plex0r> #wiat
[01:11] <Quest-Master> Anybody here use C# and Mono?
[01:12] <delltony> Riddell, this is what i'm shooting for http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=18223
[01:12] <xshui> I've played with it a TINY bit
[01:12] <plex0r> it says 'from <ip> icmp_seq=(upward counting numbers) Destination Host Unrechable...is what its saying after i pinged
[01:12] <techn9ne> i tried and got frusturated w/ it and went back to windows
[01:12] <NeoCicak> plex0r: then you can't ping. it's unsuccessful
[01:12] <xshui> techn9ne: what'd you get frustrated with?
[01:12] <NeoCicak> plex0r: maybe your ip address & subnet mask are wrong?
[01:12] <techn9ne> mono
[01:12] <techn9ne> i had to develop a C# app for someone
[01:12] <techn9ne> so i went back to just doing it on windows
[01:12] <xshui> no, but I mean why was it frustrating?
[01:13] <techn9ne> i couldnt make it work
[01:13] <techn9ne> errors
[01:13] <Quest-Master> Ack
[01:13] <techn9ne> went to compile just sat there
[01:13] <Quest-Master> I can't stand Windows at all anymore
[01:13] <plex0r> how do i change the subnet?
[01:13] <plex0r> or edit or look for that matter
[01:13] <plex0r> sorry for being uber newbish
[01:13] <johnnybezak> plex0r: don't worry about it
[01:13] <NeoCicak> plex0r:  go to system -> administration -> network
[01:13] <johnnybezak> network problems are a pain in the arse
[01:14] <techn9ne> i had windows.... only time i use it is to develop .net stuff and msn messenger
[01:14] <techn9ne> hate windows
[01:14] <NeoCicak> plex0r: (if you are using hoary) :P ... try to find something similar up there in the manu
[01:14] <NeoCicak> plex0r: menu
[01:14] <Quest-Master> delltony: That Lipstik theme is sexy.
[01:14] <xshui> yeah, I try to avoid windows if I can...
[01:14] <xshui> but I have use it for work
[01:14] <xshui> gotta eat
[01:14] <xshui> lol
[01:14] <zabulus> k thx kent it works!
[01:14] <NeoCicak> plex0r: we all started as newbie :)
[01:15] <johnnybezak> techn9ne: you can use linux for both of those things anyway :)
[01:15] <delltony> yeah if i could use it
[01:15] <techn9ne> johnnybezak: you cant use webcam w/ gaim
[01:15] <techn9ne> johnnybezak: you cant test .net apps with windows w/o windows
[01:15] <delltony> i can't figure out how to get it to work i dpkg -i'd the deb file
[01:16] <delltony> and its there in styles
[01:16] <plex0r> do i need a gateway address?
[01:16] <delltony> but it doesn't change
[01:16] <plex0r> im configing manually
[01:16] <johnnybezak> plex0r: nope
[01:16] <Quest-Master> delltony: Ask in #kubuntu?
[01:16] <johnnybezak> unless you have a couple of subnets
[01:16] <plex0r> nothing is happening still
[01:16] <johnnybezak> techn9ne: fair enough :)
[01:16] <plex0r> we activated metbios on firewall
[01:16] <NeoCicak> plex0r: can you ping other computers now?
[01:16] <plex0r> netbios*
[01:17] <NeoCicak> plex0r: umm..... that's beyond my expertise...
[01:17] <plex0r> no i cannot
[01:17] <Ziggity> what happens if I can't find a package   with synamptic!!
[01:17] <Quest-Master> delltony: Try compiling it?
[01:17] <NeoCicak> plex0r: what if you type ifconfig?
[01:17] <delltony> i'm running it on hoary and its great
[01:17] <techn9ne> personally i hate .net i feel j2ee to be superior but i dont get to make descisions all the time
[01:17] <delltony> i just need to learn it ;)
[01:17] <Quest-Master> Ack
[01:18] <techn9ne> i love java
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Ick.
[01:18] <NeoCicak> plex0r: you are connected on local network to connect to internet, right? (using router or similar thing)
[01:18] <techn9ne> you dont like programming it ??
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Not at all.
[01:18] <techn9ne> why?
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Python is the greatest programming/scripting language ever. ;d
[01:18] <techn9ne> i always felt that the tools and community was awesome
[01:18] <techn9ne> eclipse, ant
[01:18] <plex0r> yeah we got a router
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Java eats way too much memory.
[01:18] <plex0r> ive made all port exceptions etc. i need to
[01:19] <Quest-Master> I mean, have you tried Azureus?
[01:19] <NeoCicak> plex0r: type ifconfig on command line.. see if your network card & ip configuration there are correct
[01:19] <Quest-Master> It uses 1-3GB of memory most of the time
[01:19] <techn9ne> its not a native program
[01:19] <Quest-Master> Neither is Python
[01:19] <techn9ne> python doesnt do what java can do
[01:19] <techn9ne> you're comparing apples to oranges
[01:19] <Ziggity> Quest-Master, What can you do with Python.? can you write desktop applications>?
[01:19] <Quest-Master> Uh, yes you can.
[01:19] <Quest-Master> Ever heard of wxPython or PyGTK?
[01:19] <plex0r> yeah tis all correct
[01:20] <Ziggity> do you have examples of 'commercial' stuff done with it?
[01:20] <plex0r> i dont think samba is set up
[01:20] <Quest-Master> Google? ;)
[01:20] <ompaul> Ziggity, zope and friends
[01:20] <brandon_niemczyk> since when did commercial stuff matter anyways?
[01:20] <johnnybezak> plex0r: is it installed?
[01:20] <NeoCicak> plex0r: umm. samba does not have to do with being able to connect to the network... it's only for the linux & windows connectivity
[01:20] <Quest-Master> Zope as well.
[01:20] <brandon_niemczyk> especially in a Linux channel
[01:20] <plex0r> this is connecting to a windows lan lol
[01:20] <Quest-Master> brandon_niemczyk: I guess Ziggity cares about it. :P
[01:20] <Quest-Master> Python is pure open-source anyhow.
[01:20] <brandon_niemczyk> heh
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Most Linux users prefer it over Java.
[01:21] <brandon_niemczyk> yea, i know python is
[01:21] <NeoCicak> plex0r: but you can't even ping to other computers.. samba doesn't have to do with that.. i reckon
[01:21] <Ziggity> sorry-- I'm from a win background and can't figure out how people on who develop from a linux platform make a living??
[01:21] <techn9ne> ummmm im not gonna argue.... python is good java is good
[01:21] <techn9ne> but for diff. things
[01:21] <brandon_niemczyk> i personally hate python, but i have respect for the philosiphy behind it
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Plus, it's development time is much, much shorter than that of Java's.
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Meh.
[01:21] <Ziggity> Quest-Master, I try and make a living from software development.
[01:21] <Quest-Master> I know no one who has fully tried Python and hated it.
[01:21] <techn9ne> python you can make cross platform apps
[01:21] <brandon_niemczyk> Quest-Master: meet brandon
[01:22] <brandon_niemczyk> brandon_niemczyk: meet Quest-Master
[01:22] <plex0r> i get aerros when trying to install saba
[01:22] <brandon_niemczyk> Quest-Master: now you do ;)
[01:22] <Xenguy> Ziggity: there is room for both free and proprietary software me thinks
[01:22] <plex0r> dpkg error
[01:22] <plex0r> erroor trying to write
[01:22] <plex0r> etc..
[01:22] <Quest-Master> Ziggity: You can still make a living from using free software.
[01:22] <techn9ne> sometimes
[01:22] <Xenguy> Ziggity: and yes, what Quest-Master said
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Ziggity: Lots of companies require coders who are on-call and can code custom software for their needs.
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Ziggity: Many of these companies could possibly require you to use Python and/or run on Linux.
[01:23] <Ziggity> Xenguy, : but If wanted to open a startup developing bespoke software for others ( businesses ) -- whats the business model?
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Ziggity: Like Google. ;)
[01:23] <Xenguy> Quest-Master: much of our departments systems are coded in-house
[01:23] <techn9ne> ppl should use whatever fits their need best
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Xenguy: Exactly. You see my point. :)
[01:23] <techn9ne> java, python, c++, .net
[01:23] <techn9ne> diff ppl/organizations have diff. requirements
[01:24] <NeoCicak> plex0r: hmm.... wait... not being able to ping to other computers does not necessarily mean your computer is not connected to the network.. i remember that i can't ping to my win xp computer coz it has some weird configuration that comes with it when i bought the computer
[01:24] <NeoCicak> plex0r: do you have non-windows machine?
[01:24] <Xenguy> Ziggity: the business model is definitely changing -- people are *not* going to pay for all software anymore.  Those days are gone IMO
[01:24] <techn9ne> the one shoe fits all is the microsoft way
[01:24] <Ziggity> Quest-Master, : could you explain the  Like Google?
[01:24] <NeoCicak> plex0r: or have you tried pinging www.yahoo.com or something like that?
[01:24] <plex0r> im stting next to two windows laptopos
[01:24] <plex0r> and a nix machine
[01:25] <NeoCicak> is that nix machine connected to network?
[01:25] <Ziggity> Xenguy, Then how does one make money from it.. By money I mean a profitable business.
[01:25] <plex0r> on router it says its on
[01:25] <plex0r> but 'inactive'
[01:25] <plex0r> its assigned ip and subnet
[01:25] <Ziggity> back in a minute
[01:25] <NeoCicak> can you connect to internet using that nix machine?
[01:25] <plex0r> it says 'ping: unknown host www.google.com'
[01:25] <plex0r> no i cannot
[01:26] <Xenguy> Ziggity: you need to seek a niche, a specialized software product where there is no free software that can do the same job...
[01:26] <NeoCicak> hmmmm..........
[01:26] <kent> Ziggity, you can probably make monny doing support,  /me thinks..
[01:26] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: your buisness model depends on your capabilities and what you can do
[01:26] <NeoCicak> you are familiar with ip addressing, yes?
[01:26] <Xenguy> Ziggity: at the same time, you look to providing programming *service*, instead of just trying to sell/clone your code for profit
[01:26] <brandon_niemczyk> unfortunatly your right that an OSS solution is not _always_ going to be profitable, but there are many many places where it is
[01:26] <NeoCicak> tell me the ip address of the computer you are using now & one other windows machine that's connected to internet
[01:26] <brandon_niemczyk> if you use a little ingenuity
[01:27] <plex0r> right
[01:27] <plex0r> ip adress of this windows ysstem
[01:27] <plex0r> 192.168.1.2
[01:27] <plex0r> ip address of nix
[01:27] <Xenguy> Ziggity: but honestly I don't really think there is a problem because free software gives everyone (including you :-) the tools to program stuff for people who will pay you to do it...
[01:27] <plex0r> 192.168.1.3
[01:27] <NeoCicak> hmm should be ok....
[01:27] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: and can you ping the unix box by ip address?
[01:27] <NeoCicak> weird....
[01:27] <plex0r> no i cannot
[01:28] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: are you pinging FROM windows or linux?
[01:28] <plex0r> i did both
[01:28] <plex0r> both do not work
[01:28] <NeoCicak> is the cable connected ?? sounds like dumb question.. but believe me, this happens sometimes
[01:28] <Xenguy> Ziggity: I am a firm supporter of free software BTW -- people should not have to be ripped off by some foreign (to me) wannabee monopoly corporation just to check their email ;-)
[01:28] <kent> haha, after some seconds i even managed to see the Ubuntu logo on the March ubuntu wallpaper ;)
[01:28] <NeoCicak> is the cable working
[01:28] <plex0r> the cable is working
[01:28] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: rafb.net/paste the output of 'ipconfig /all' on the windows box, and 'ifconfig' on the nix box
[01:28] <NeoCicak> does it have any problem? cable defects.. etc
[01:28] <tga> Xenguy: would you rather be robbed by a domestic monopoly?
[01:29] <plex0r> u want me to ipconfig
[01:29] <plex0r> and release on windows?
[01:29] <plex0r> and then ifconfig on nix
[01:29] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: not release... just post the output of 'ipconfig /all' in a DOS prompt, and ifconfig on nix, but nopaste it, don't flood here
[01:29] <brandon_niemczyk> http://rafb.net/paste
[01:29] <Xenguy> tga: do you think that is my point? =)
[01:30] <plex0r> how can i paste from nix sysmtem
[01:30] <plex0r> when the nix system isnt online
[01:30] <tga> I'm not sure what your point is
[01:30] <BiteMeBill> plex0r: I don't mean to but in but is the information close to the same between ipconfig and ifconfig?
[01:30] <johnnybezak> plex0r: hehehe
[01:30] <plex0r> :p
[01:30] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: good point ;P
[01:30] <tga> plex0r: 1. turn nix system on 2. copy 3. ??? 4. paste
[01:30] <brandon_niemczyk> sorry :(
[01:30] <Xenguy> tga: re-read what I typed -- it was very clear :-)
[01:30] <plex0r> not on internet
[01:30] <plex0r> or network tga
[01:30] <johnnybezak> 5: Profit!
[01:30] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: what does ifconfig say your ip and subnet is in linux?
[01:30] <plex0r> the subnets need to be the same>
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> and what about 'route' ?
[01:31] <plex0r> ip is 168.192.1.3
[01:31] <plex0r> subnet= 255.255.0.0
[01:31] <plex0r> any windows subnet =255.255.255.0
[01:31] <NeoCicak> ah
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> are you sure that shouldn't be 255.255.255.0
[01:31] <NeoCicak> try using same subnet
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> ?
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> yea
[01:31] <brandon_niemczyk> use the same subnet
[01:32] <plex0r> dazed says he thinks we were on the same subnet
[01:32] <plex0r> but i dont think i do
[01:32] <NeoCicak> change to 255.255.255.0
[01:32] <uMkulu> NeoCicak: that doesn't look right
[01:32] <NeoCicak> for all
[01:32] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: if one is 255.255.255.0 and the other is 255.255.0.0, you are NOT on the same subnet
[01:32] <NeoCicak> uMkulu: what doesn't look right??
[01:32] <uMkulu> no idea, neocicak
[01:32] <brandon_niemczyk> you need to set the nix box to 255.255.255.0
[01:33] <NeoCicak> umkulu: hmm... which one of my post are you replying to??
[01:33] <uMkulu> no idea, neocicak
[01:33] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: do you have a router or something that your using for connection sharing?
[01:33] <Ziggity> ok. back
[01:33] <BiteMeBill> NeoCicak: uMkulu is a bot from what I was told.
[01:33] <plex0r> yeah i already got computers saharing internet
[01:33] <NeoCicak> hahahhaha
[01:33] <NeoCicak> thx bitemebill
[01:33] <brandon_niemczyk> plex0r: cause if your using a static ip for your nix box, you need to set the default route to
[01:33] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, which instinces is it profitable
[01:33] <brandon_niemczyk> first fix the subnet though
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: when your writing custom software for a client for instance
[01:34] <BiteMeBill> it got me earlier with same comments.
[01:34] <NeoCicak> hahahhaa
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> you retain the (C), and then release it at a later date under the GPL
[01:34] <NeoCicak> ok ok...
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> or at least parts of it
[01:34] <Quarupt> somone build me a working gaim-vv and i will give them 200 Gmail invites
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> and wala, you didn't lose any money
[01:34] <brandon_niemczyk> and contributed back to the community that gives you so many good tools
[01:34] <NeoCicak> plex0r: so everything is ok now?
[01:35] <plex0r> i dont know
[01:35] <plex0r> resetting nix system
[01:35] <NeoCicak> oh ok..
[01:35] <brandon_niemczyk> why?
[01:35] <brandon_niemczyk> you don't need to reboot
[01:35] <brandon_niemczyk> this isn't windows ;)
[01:35] <plex0r> dazed thinks lan card wasdnt in
[01:35] <plex0r> we're on
[01:35] <plex0r> sexy
[01:35] <dazed_> its up
[01:35] <brandon_niemczyk> cool
[01:35] <dazed_> yay!
[01:35] <NeoCicak> hmmm.. as far as i remember. you don't need to reboot on windows too if you r just changing the ip address :)
[01:36] <NeoCicak> kewl
[01:36] <NeoCicak> phew
[01:36] <dazed_> it worked at first
[01:36] <brandon_niemczyk> NeoCicak: probably true, but oh well :)
[01:36] <dazed_> then my lan card came unplugged it stopped
[01:36] <dazed_> i rebooted
[01:36] <dazed_> it works
[01:36] <NeoCicak> good
[01:36] <neighborlee> there is new nvidia but its not in ubuntu yet..I tried to contact maintainer from his email address ( as noted in app > properties) from synatpic but its bouncing back..who should I contact ?
[01:37] <NeoCicak> i think daniels have lots of thing to do with graphics in ubuntu... i might be wrong
[01:37] <neighborlee> k
[01:37] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, But isn't that doing the client down??
[01:37] <plex0r> thanks guys
[01:37] <plex0r> :)
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: not in the least
[01:38] <NeoCicak> no problemo
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> if you own the copyright, what you do with it at a later date is none of their concern
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> i mean, i wouldn't do it 3 days later or anything
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> wait a couple months
[01:38] <Ziggity> btw did anyone successfull install MonoDevelop on Ubuntu Warty???
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: another place where OSS can be profitable is in libraries that you release under the GPL, and then offer commercial licenses for seperatly
[01:38] <dazed_> i just unpackaged the sambaclient
[01:38] <dazed_> how do i use it?
[01:38] <brandon_niemczyk> but you have to be careful with that
[01:39] <dazed_> brb
[01:39] <brandon_niemczyk> you cannot accept patches for it
[01:39] <Quarupt> how well is alien supported with Ubuntu
[01:39] <brandon_niemczyk> because those people providing them will expect the code to be GPL'd
[01:39] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, You taking a clients idea -- developing a solution for him/her -- then when paid releasing to oss??
[01:39] <dazed_> ...once i unpackage sambaclient but i can run it in terminal via 'sambaclient'
[01:39] <lupusBE> new drivers?
[01:39] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, how do you mean commercial lic for seperatly??
[01:40] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: eh... like MySQL does
[01:40] <lupusBE> 6629 is in hoary
[01:40] <Ziggity> Oh!..
[01:40] <brandon_niemczyk> you can get MySQL under the GPL, but if you don't want it under the GPL then you have to pay $$$
[01:40] <lupusBE> isn't that the latest?
[01:40] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: and 99% of clients couldn't care less what you do with the code afterwards as long as they have a working solution ;)
[01:41] <brandon_niemczyk> trust me, i know
[01:41] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, so why would someone want to pay $$$ for something they can get for free!
[01:41] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, what do you do??
[01:41] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: i own a custom programming buisness ;)
[01:42] <dazed_> ...once i unpackage sambaclient but i can run it in terminal via 'sambaclient'
[01:42] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: and yes, it is profitable
[01:42] <StoffBox-Steve> Ziggity, thats easy .. why buy think you dont need ? ... we all what money to life :D
[01:42] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: and no my clients do not hate me
[01:42] <Ziggity> hummm.,,, could you offer business advice to someone ( me :) ) looking to follow in your footsteps?
[01:42] <brandon_niemczyk> in fact i'm quite good with my clients
[01:43] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: heh, just write decent code for clients, and it will all come together
[01:43] <brandon_niemczyk> there is plenty of room for supporting OSS if you want to (as i do)
[01:43] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, what technologies.. and how did you decide on them>?
[01:44] <brandon_niemczyk> uh... what do you mean?
[01:44] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: it depends on the client and what they need
[01:44] <Ziggity> do you have a prefered prog. language.??
[01:44] <brandon_niemczyk> yea, whatever works for the job
[01:44] <brandon_niemczyk> but, i am most comfortable with C
[01:45] <brandon_niemczyk> and what you are comfortable with _does_ mean something
[01:45] <brandon_niemczyk> for instance, i don't like python because the "block code by spacing" kills me
[01:46] <brandon_niemczyk> a lot of (shitty) email clients will replace tabs with spaces for instance
[01:46] <brandon_niemczyk> so it makes passing patches around a bitch
[01:46] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, do u use Open source 'stuff'
[01:46] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: almost exclusivly
[01:47] <Ziggity> as a side Item... ANYone.. what happens if Synaptic can't find a package???
[01:47] <brandon_niemczyk> i own a license to VS.NET and VB6, but almost never actually use them
[01:47] <Ziggity> hmmm vb6.,, there where I'm from..
[01:47] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: there is no compiler suite better then gcc
[01:47] <speel> lol vb .. people actually baught that crap?
[01:48] <brandon_niemczyk> gcc+libtool+automake+(cygwin on windows and mingw) == perfect
[01:48] <Ziggity> I've moved to c# and a little java
[01:48] <Ziggity> I'm hoping to get the c
[01:48] <brandon_niemczyk> speel: nothing beats it's RAD capabilities, unfortunatly it's doze only so it's still useless ;)
[01:49] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk,  True its RAD is great, unfortunitly it spoils you as a developer and moving to other langs become more of a learning curve,,
[01:50] <Ziggity> you kinda go.. WHAT!! 20 lines of code to make a window!!
[01:50] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: well, i'm just now learning VB, until recently i've had almost exclusivly unix (mostly solaris and linux) work
[01:50] <brandon_niemczyk> brb - smoke
[01:50] <Ziggity> let me know if you need any help :->
[01:51] <Ziggity> is that vb6 or vb.net?? and may I ask why your learning it?
[01:51] <Ziggity> ok.. how do I include Hoary into my warty syanptic??
[01:52] <speel> Ziggity: the packages are most likley unstable
[01:53] <brandon_niemczyk> back
[01:53] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: i'm learning it because i'm maintaining some code i didn't write for a client
[01:53] <Ziggity> speel, but what else can I do -=-- I can't seem to install MonoDevelop on Warty
[01:53] <brandon_niemczyk> and it's vb6
[01:54] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk maybe I can subcontract that off you :))
[01:54] <Quarupt> if i alien an file.rpm -r  where does the deb save to?
[01:54] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: hehe, no
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, why would you want to install mono ?
[01:54] <brandon_niemczyk> sorry :)
[01:54] <brandon_niemczyk> i need the money
[01:54] <brandon_niemczyk> as usual
[01:55] <Ziggity> heehh
[01:55] <Ziggity> see that's why your clients like you... you honest
[01:55] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, cos I want to develop in c
[01:55] <brandon_niemczyk> the only thing i hire out atm is graphics work for websites
[01:55] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, cos I want to develop in c# !
[01:56] <brandon_niemczyk> because i'm "visually challenged" :)
[01:56] <brandon_niemczyk> so if i don't hire out the gfx work, the site looks like shit
[01:56] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, hee;
[01:57] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, what happens when Synaptic cant find a package???
[01:57] <brandon_niemczyk> i don't use synaptic
[01:57] <brandon_niemczyk> so ask someone else ;)
[01:57] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, What lang do you do the sites in?
[01:57] <brandon_niemczyk> apt-cache and apt-get are good enough for me
[01:58] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: usually php/mysql
[01:58] <brandon_niemczyk> but i've done some jsp stuff to
[01:58] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, so what happens if apt-... don't find it?
[01:58] <brandon_niemczyk> then you find a sources entry that has it, or you install it by compiling
[01:59] <brandon_niemczyk> do you have the universal stuff uncommented in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:59] <Ziggity> boooohoooo.. you were not paying attention.. I'm from VB (windows) land...
[01:59] <Ziggity> yes
[02:00] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, why not develop in windows ?
[02:00] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: yea... vmware does wonders
[02:00] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: and i've attempted to use monodevelop on debian, and... it's buggy as hell
[02:00] <Quarupt> anyone use ALIEN?
[02:00] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: on debian i have
[02:00] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, cos I WANT to change os platforms
[02:01] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, vmware?? - whats that
[02:01] <Quarupt> im trying to get a deb from a RPM it ran okay, I did alien -r ./file.rpm
[02:01] <Quarupt> then it gave me another promy
[02:01] <Quarupt> but i dont see a deb anywhere
[02:01] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, mono is a big rat trap waiting to snap as far as I am concerned
[02:02] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: i think your going to find mono lacking if you are used to .NET on M$, your better off switching to tools that are well supported on non-M$ platforms
[02:02] <BitShifter> hi i'm trying to install my wireless networking
[02:02] <BitShifter> i need to use the ndiswrapper
[02:02] <BitShifter> how do i install this?
[02:02] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, what would you suggest?
[02:02] <BitShifter> apt-get install ndiswrapper complains about package not being found/
[02:02] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: vmware isn't free (as in freedom) but you can get a monthly trial for it, and with it you can run windows inside linux
[02:03] <BitShifter> infact, i can't even apt-get anything
[02:03] <BitShifter> it can't find any packages at all
[02:03] <BitShifter> not even the kernel sources
[02:03] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: C
[02:03] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, what tools
[02:03] <brandon_niemczyk> Ziggity: gcc and friends for one
[02:03] <BitShifter> hello
[02:04] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, switch to python or stick with C (++) :D
[02:04] <Ziggity> ok... but coming from vb and c# on windows I need an IDE.. with code complete ( I'm a whimp )
[02:04] <brandon_niemczyk> both emacs and vim have code completion
[02:04] <brandon_niemczyk> you just need to learn the keys to do it ;)
[02:04] <brandon_niemczyk> there are several IDE's available on linux
[02:05] <brandon_niemczyk> but i don't use them, so i can't give you any suggestions
[02:05] <usual> what could a possible reason for a laggy desktop be in ubuntu hoary?
[02:05] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, if you really want to develop with c# you can put up with windows shortcomings :)
[02:05] <Quarupt> ISnt alien supposed to create a deb?
[02:05] <Quarupt> i cant find anything after i ran it on the rpm
[02:06] <usual> Quarupt, don't bother with alien
[02:06] <usual> Quarupt, build a deb if anything
[02:06] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: how did you run it again?
[02:06] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, could you suggest an IDE for c/c++ on  linux?
[02:06] <usual> ajunta
[02:06] <usual> i think
[02:06] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: you said you did 'alien -r some.rpm', that == wrong... -r means to rpm
[02:06] <Quarupt> alien -r file.rpm
[02:06] <Quarupt> like it said on the article
[02:06] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: read my above statement
[02:06] <usual> Quarupt, what are you trying to get a deb of?
[02:06] <Ziggity> back in a minute .. i gotta put the washing on..
[02:07] <Quarupt> man if i could build a deb i could probably just compile this stupid program
[02:07] <brandon_niemczyk> Quarupt: try losing the -r, or better yet, switching it to -d
[02:07] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: the easiest way to do it is like this    alien --to-deb filename.rpm
[02:07] <Quarupt> ok
[02:07] <brandon_niemczyk> -d and --to-deb are the same thing
[02:07] <Quarupt> well its doing something with no verbose
[02:08] <Quarupt> its a rpm for gaim-vv i fond
[02:08] <LinuxJones> Ziggity, although I don't really like kde anymore kdevelop has won tons of awards for dev tools. There is also glade/anjuta.
[02:08] <usual> Ziggity, http://www.anjuta.org/anjuta.php?page=screenshots
[02:08] <usual> gaim-vv?
[02:08] <Quarupt> ya
[02:08] <usual> what is that
[02:08] <Quarupt> cause it was really hard to build
[02:08] <Quarupt> umm check SF
[02:09] <joeblow1234> usual: it is a fork of gaim that supports video and audio chat better
[02:09] <Quarupt> anyways to install a deb manually i just typr dpkg -install ./package.de?
[02:09] <Xirdneh> hi there, i have just install gaim 1.1.4, but i uninstalled the old gaim and now the icon of gaim in Aplications>Internet is gone, i made a locate gaim and it say gaim is under /usr/lib but i cant find it to add ti, any ideas?
[02:09] <usual> joeblow1234, for use with like yahoo? or just it's own
[02:09] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: nope, dpkg -i package.deb
[02:09] <Quarupt> or dpkg -i pack.deb?
[02:09] <Quarupt> lol
[02:09] <Quarupt> ok
[02:09] <joeblow1234> usual: i think it is for all the protocols supported by gaim (msn, aim, yahoo, etc.)
[02:10] <usual> k
[02:10] <joeblow1234> usual: gaim-vv.sourceforge.net
[02:10] <Quarupt> holy crap it worked
[02:10] <Ziggity> LinuxJones, I'm waiting for anjuta 2
[02:10] <Quarupt> lets see if it will actually start
[02:10] <virtuald> bitlebee is the shit
[02:10] <ivo> hello guys
[02:10] <virtuald> biltbee
[02:10] <virtuald> bleh
[02:10] <usual> http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[02:10] <usual> gaim-vv debs
[02:10] <ivo> whop can help me with an error
[02:11] <Quarupt> lol
[02:11] <Quarupt> they dont work
[02:11] <ivo> whop can help me with an error
[02:11] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: I've converted the RPM packages for Limewire before and they work normally. I had to do this cause Limewire quit shipping that nice Java installer they had
[02:11] <usual> Quarupt, did you see what I posted
[02:11] <tga> lo Quarupt, how's it going?
[02:12] <ivo> whop can help me with an error
[02:12] <ivo> who can help me with an error
[02:12] <usual> gaim-vv_0.79.3-0_i386.deb               21-Jan-2005 14:29   3.0M
[02:12] <tga> ivo: Bad command or file name
[02:12] <scizzo> good night
[02:12] <Quarupt> i tried allready not for Ubuntugood tga
[02:12] <ivo> who can help me with an error, when I try to un install openssh-server with apt-get
[02:12] <ivo> /etc/init.d/ssh: line 49: log_begin_msg: command not found
[02:12] <ivo> invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "stop" failed.
[02:12] <ivo> dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--remove):
[02:12] <ivo>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
[02:13] <ivo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:13] <andy__> g'day, was wondering if anyone here had a thinkpad t21 or close model... and has the mouse working the same way as windows
[02:14] <joeblow1234> andy__: what is the mouse not doing?
[02:14] <Ziggity> andy__, I gots a laptop with NO double click on the pad ..
[02:14] <andy__> whoops, sorry, not mouse, 'nipple' ... inbuilt thing
[02:14] <ivo> who can help me with an error, when I try to un install openssh-server with apt-get
[02:14] <joeblow1234> andy__: well what is it doing differently than windows?
[02:15] <ivo> /etc/init.d/ssh: line 49: log_begin_msg: command not found
[02:15] <andy__> in windows, you hold onto a third button, then move the mouse up and down to scroll
[02:15] <ivo> invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "stop" failed.
[02:15] <ivo> dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--remove):
[02:15] <ivo>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
[02:15] <ivo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:15] <joeblow1234> andy__: have you tried google? it is the best when u have a hardware specific question
[02:15] <kent> is there some problems with gnome-cd in Hoary? it seems to not want to play CDs if I start it manually :(  The device is detected correctly in the preferences for gnome-cd, it just says something about bad device when i start it.
[02:16] <Quarupt> Okay so the deb generated by the rpm worked okay, but i cant fine the bin??? did it just iverwrite my current gaim?
[02:16] <andy__> have been hunting google since i installed about a fortnight ago
[02:16] <usual> Is there a known issue with xorg in hoary? I have a laggy desktop....I don't get it
[02:16] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: use the command updatedb and then locate gaim-vv
[02:16] <andy__> today i found this, but i dont know what to do with it, or if it'll work:  http://stephen.evanchik.com/index.cgi/index.html
[02:17] <andy__> says its for linux
[02:17] <joeblow1234> ubuntu uses the 2.6.8 kernel, not 2.6.10 or 2.6.11
[02:17] <joeblow1234> unless ur on hoary, not sure which one that uses
[02:18] <usual> 2.6.10
[02:18] <usual> but 11 is on the way
[02:18] <andy__> oh, bugger
[02:18] <joeblow1234> usual: is 2.6.11.1 going to be the last? on lwn.net it said that 2.6.11.1 was released as a security and bug fix
[02:19] <Quarupt> joeblow1234, it didnt find and bins :()
[02:19] <usual> joeblow1234, 2.6.11 includes some breakthrough changes I read
[02:20] <Quarupt> hrm
[02:20] <joeblow1234> i just checked www.linuxhq.com and it doesnt include 2.6.11.1....weird
[02:21] <Yobui> hi
[02:21] <usual> "Highlights include Infiniband support, four level page tables, in-node extended attributes for better samba performance, new pipe implementation , reduced latency and big kernel semaphore among several other minor changes."
[02:22] <usual> I wish someone could help me with my laggy desktop
[02:22] <Yobui> i need to know how do I configure KDE as a default desktop manager
[02:22] <joeblow1234> usual: what r ur specs?
[02:22] <Yobui> i already downloaded it and installed it
[02:22] <joeblow1234> Yobui: is it listed under sessions in gdm?
[02:22] <Quarupt> joeblow1234, howcome it didnt find any bins?
[02:22] <usual> joeblow1234, it's not a hardware issue, it's just recently, no other dists do it, even ubuntu warty
[02:23] <Riddell> Yobui: which package did you install?
[02:23] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: maybe it didnt convert properly. you can install rpm from synaptic. try installing the rpm itself and see what happens
[02:23] <Ziggity> usual what version you on?
[02:23] <Yobui> how can i check that? (i killed the server and run it using startx from a console so i don't see the gdm)
[02:23] <usual> Ziggity, hoary
[02:23] <Quarupt> you can install rpm from synaptic?
[02:23] <Quarupt> how?
[02:23] <Yobui> i did apt-get install kde
[02:23] <Yobui> i have universe
[02:23] <usual> why on god's green earth would you install rpm's in ubuntu
[02:23] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: apt-get install rpm
[02:23] <Yobui> should i restart and check the gdm?
[02:23] <tinamoo> i upgraded my graphic card to geforce 6800 and installed a fresh ubuntu, but the x server crashes no matter what i do. any suggestion?
[02:23] <joeblow1234> and then you will have the rpm command available
[02:24] <Yobui> or can i start gdm without restarting
[02:24] <scorpix> Ziggity: gdm is for login, and you are already login
[02:24] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: i meant u could install the rpm package manager through synaptic
[02:24] <Quarupt> oh
[02:24] <Ziggity> scorpix, Huh!!!... what are you talking about
[02:24] <joeblow1234> usual: to check and see if it works better than the converted deb
[02:24] <Quarupt> it was allready installed
[02:24] <Quarupt> how to use it?
[02:25] <usual> joeblow1234, he should build his own deb or just install it from source
[02:25] <usual> OR
[02:25] <usual> use the debs i pointed him to
[02:25] <usual> they should work
[02:25] <scorpix> s/ Ziggity / Yobui  :)
[02:25] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: rpm -Uvh package.rpm
[02:25] <Quarupt> rpm -i pack.rpm?
[02:25] <Quarupt> ok
[02:25] <Yobui> yeah
[02:25] <Ziggity> usual, I had issues with hoary.. things like no drag on the title bar and yes.. a LOT slower than warty
[02:25] <Yobui> that's the problem...
[02:25] <Yobui> i should restart io guess then
[02:25] <Ziggity> I thinks there still lots of debug code in there/
[02:25] <usual> Ziggity, it's weird, after certain upgrades ...i don't get it
[02:25] <Quarupt> lol
[02:26] <Quarupt> it says
[02:26] <Quarupt> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[02:26] <Quarupt> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[02:26] <Quarupt> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[02:26] <Quarupt> lol
[02:26] <Yobui> i did an upgrade to hoary and quickly gone back to warty :)
[02:26] <usual> Quarupt, did you try the debs I pointed you too??
[02:26] <Quarupt> guess im goin in circles?
[02:26] <Quarupt> usual ya
[02:26] <joeblow1234> usual: if im not mistaken hoary is still in beta
[02:26] <Ziggity> usual, did you narrow which upgrades?
[02:26] <usual> Quarupt, what happened
[02:26] <Quarupt> i tried em again
[02:26] <Quarupt> there broken
[02:26] <Quarupt> errors after about 2mili seconds
[02:26] <usual> what errors
[02:27] <joeblow1234> Quarupt: weird, i thought u could install rpms with the rpm command. (I've never had to try...the only rpm i have is limewire, which converts fine with alien)
[02:27] <Quarupt> i dunno
[02:27] <usual> joeblow1234, yeah it's not stable yet
[02:27] <Ziggity> I think its still very stable and I think its only slated for release round sep/oct 2005
[02:27] <usual> Ziggity, nah, too much to pay attentiont oo
[02:27] <joeblow1234> usual: i meant to say alpha
[02:27] <Quarupt> alien made a deb, and the deb reported that it installed okay
[02:27] <usual> Ziggity, yeah 6 month release cycle i think
[02:27] <joeblow1234> usual: as in not to be used if u need a stable desktop
[02:27] <usual> joeblow1234, I don't need a stable desktop, but this lag is annoying
[02:28] <Yobui> Ziggity: yeah, it doesn't crash, but when you need to compile things you start getting a mess with the libraries that are not updated yet
[02:28] <usual> using alien to convert a rpm to a deb is just retarted
[02:28] <usual> imho
[02:28] <Quarupt> wonders what to do nect
[02:28] <usual> do you know where that rpm placed stuff?
[02:28] <usual> Quarupt, compile it
[02:28] <joeblow1234> Ziggity: it is slated for release in april...not september
[02:28] <Quarupt> no thats impossible
[02:28] <usual> ?
[02:28] <Quarupt> try to, you have to hand configure about 10 depends first before ya can even build it
[02:29] <Ziggity> usual, I had the similar issues ( although It  did fix  my mouse pad problem ) so I went back to warty
[02:29] <usual> bs
[02:29] <joeblow1234> usual: the rpm didnt install any files on the system for him...it just didnt do anything
[02:29] <Quarupt> No its not bs
[02:29] <Ziggity> joeblow1234, : is it? sorry
[02:29] <usual> if I build that program i am gonna pick on you for a month
[02:29] <Quarupt> goto sf.net/gaim-vv and read
[02:29] <joeblow1234> Ziggity: if it is too unstable...they will delay it probably thoughj
[02:29] <joeblow1234> *though
[02:30] <Quarupt> look at all the depsnds you have to extract 1by1 and configure and compile 1 by 1
[02:30] <Yobui> i'm now running KDE :)
[02:30] <Quarupt> usual, me and about 5 others have tried, its possible, bit personally id rather use that much time to build a kernel from source
[02:30] <Yobui> i have another question, though... I have a widescreen laptop
[02:30] <joeblow1234> Yobui: what is it like on ubuntu?
[02:30] <Quarupt> s/source/scratch
[02:31] <apokryphos> joeblow1234: kde? It's great.
[02:31] <Yobui> joeblow1234: i've been running it for about 5 seconds, but so far has worked great :)
[02:31] <Ziggity> joeblow1234, you're right -- for april .. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog/view?searchterm=hoary%20release
[02:31] <joeblow1234> Yobui: lol, what i meant is, for instance, KDE was incredibly unstable for me on Fedora (another Gnome based distro). Just wondering if it is the same in Ubuntu
[02:33] <Ziggity> ooohh. I'm hungry.. gonna rattle the pots be back in a minute..
[02:33] <apokryphos> joeblow1234: not at all; very stable here. Though, I didn't have any of those problems you speak of on Fedora.
[02:33] <Yobui> joeblow1234: i've been trying the apps and they run great
[02:33] <joeblow1234> apokryphos: i probably messed something up in that case
[02:33] <drspin> I'm performing updates for Warty on my other system and it keeps saying "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome..."
[02:34] <drspin> then it asks if libgnome2-perl is installed
[02:34] <Quarupt> hows it going usual ?
[02:34] <Quarupt> LMAO
[02:34] <drspin> ??
[02:34] <usual> Quarupt, I have to download things
[02:34] <drspin> I'm sorry - updates for Hoary
[02:34] <Quarupt> ya
[02:34] <Quarupt> and its allready easier to use an rpm huh?
[02:34] <usual> no
[02:34] <usual> thats just retarted
[02:34] <LinuxJones> drspin, install that package adn it will propt you with a nice gui for re-configuring packages
[02:34] <Quarupt> i think your being stubborn
[02:34] <usual> no
[02:34] <usual> it's a bad idea
[02:35] <Quarupt> How many people in here have used the Limewire rpm and it woked FIME?
[02:35] <Quarupt> FINE
[02:35] <Quarupt> usual, can ya make a deb after ya build it
[02:35] <usual> yes
[02:36] <Quarupt> one that actually woks?
[02:36] <Quarupt> cool
[02:36] <usual> if it compiles ok yes
[02:36] <Yobui> well, as i was saying, i have a widescreen laptop with native resolution 1280x768, i configured X to run this resolution and it does pretty fine. BUT, if I want to change the resolution to a 4:3 ratio (1024x768), which i need to run presentations, the screen gets "expanded" (i don't see the whole desktop in the screen) i have to move the mouse to the left and right to see the whole desktop, do you know what can i do to modify this behavior?
[02:36] <usual> I am building a linphone-im deb
[02:36] <Quarupt> including all the depends?
[02:36] <Quarupt> cool
[02:36] <usual> 2 of the depends are in ubuntu already
[02:37] <Quarupt> can you get em in one of the repositories?
[02:37] <usual> yeah
[02:37] <Quarupt> cool
[02:37] <Quarupt> lemme know when yur done
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Yobui, ctrl+alt+-
[02:37] <Quarupt> plz
[02:37] <danix> when gnome 2.10 will be release on hoary?
[02:37] <_4strO> ( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.10-4-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: Gnome v2.9.9 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[02:37] <Quarupt> i heard soon
[02:37] <Yobui> LinuxJones yes, that's what i do to change the resolution, the problem occurs WHEN i change it from the native one to another one
[02:38] <_4strO> soon soon :)
[02:38] <_4strO> hi all
[02:38] <danix> hi
[02:38] <uMkulu> niihau, danix
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Yobui, ctrl+alt++ :D
[02:38] <usual> Quarupt, do you use hoary or warty
[02:38] <danix> uMkulu, what?
[02:38] <uMkulu> danix: i haven't a clue
[02:38] <Quarupt> hoary
[02:38] <Yobui> LinuxJones--
[02:38] <Yobui> :P
[02:39] <johnnybezak> how many of you guys are using hoary? im updating at the moment and im s***ing myself :P
[02:39] <mystify> hey does xmms work with video files?
[02:39] <LinuxJones> Yobui, can't you stay in 1020x764 ?
[02:39] <apokryphos> mystify: no
[02:39] <LinuxJones> Yobui, or whatever it is ?
[02:39] <danix> i use hoary..
[02:39] <Ziggity> after you run make how do u run the application
[02:39] <Quarupt> usual, why are you on warty or something?
[02:40] <Yobui> I can, but i need to be able to change it to project the screen on the wall
[02:40] <Yobui> with a projector, they only support 4:3 ratios
[02:40] <Yobui> usually
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Yobui, are you uding hoary ?
[02:40] <Yobui> warty
[02:40] <LinuxJones> god
[02:41] <Quarupt> i think we need #Ubuntu|Warty and #Ubuntu|Hoary
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Yobui, does it work if you go system>>preferences>> screen resolution and change it there ?
[02:42] <andy__> say i have button one, button two, and button three (no scroll wheel).  how would i go about writing a config entry (or something) to scroll whenever i hold on to button 3, and move the mouse up or down?
[02:42] <johnnybezak> Ziggity: did you make install too?
[02:43] <Ziggity> johnnybezak, no .. how?
[02:43] <apokryphos> Quarupt: No, they're not different distributions. Different versions of a distro.
[02:43] <Yobui> LinuxJones yes, you got it... they make a new easy way and break the old ways, lol :)
[02:43] <usual> Quarupt, see...live compile haha
[02:43] <apokryphos> Quarupt: plus, the warty one would be pretty empty :P
[02:43] <LinuxJones> Yobui, cool glad tohelp ;)
[02:43] <usual> Quarupt, http://transamrit.net/~usual/test.mpeg
[02:44] <Yobui> thanks LinuxJones ;)
[02:45] <Quarupt> apokryphos, thanks for stating the obvious, i know there not dirrent distro lol
[02:45] <apokryphos> always a pleasure
[02:45] <Quarupt> cant stream
[02:45] <Quarupt> my shit isnt set up right yet
[02:45] <usual> don't need too
[02:45] <usual> k
[02:46] <Quarupt> grr it just says no picture
[02:46] <Quarupt> i dont think i installed my codecs right
[02:46] <usual> heh sounds like you need multimedia packages
[02:46] <usual> yeah
[02:46] <delltony> anyone here able to get the styles to change in kubuntu?
[02:47] <Quarupt> i have mplayer and mozilla-mplayer and the oog one
[02:47] <Quarupt> Oh wait now i see it
[02:47] <usual> I just have totem with gstreamer
[02:47] <Quarupt> just took a while
[02:47] <Quarupt> is that a live stream of your console now, or just a recording?
[02:47] <usual> i just recorded it
[02:47] <drspin> Linux
[02:48] <Quarupt> lol
[02:48] <drspin> LinuxJones: thanks man!! how nice!
[02:48] <Quarupt> your using flux?
[02:49] <usual> no
[02:49] <usual> metacity
[02:49] <Quarupt> oh
[02:49] <raydogg``> what does array 6 offer over array 5 ?
[02:49] <Quarupt> is it almost done?
[02:49] <drspin> Synaptic is so nice in Hoary
[02:49] <drspin> :)
[02:50] <Quarupt> Havent seen any updates today
[02:50] <LinuxJones> drspin, ;)
[02:50] <Quarupt> let me VNC view only usual
[02:51] <drspin> How can I share files between my two computers with different IP addresses connected to my cable modem through a switch??
[02:51] <fsc> drspin, Synaptic is nice in Hoary.  I've been a command line apt-getter for years, but finding myself using the gui a lot more these days
[02:51] <Quarupt> maybe ill learn something
[02:51] <drspin> in real time I mean
[02:51] <Ziggity> delltony, whats kubuntu?
[02:51] <usual> Quarupt, man this is bs
[02:51] <usual> haha
[02:51] <Quarupt> kubuntu?
[02:51] <usual> I wont use MSN
[02:51] <fsc> KDE Ubuntu
[02:51] <Quarupt> usual, its not building?
[02:52] <usual> this linphone-im package is just for MSN video
[02:52] <usual> you saw it building
[02:52] <Quarupt> yea
[02:52] <Yobui> anyone who is using hoary has to do development work with many third party libraries (libpng, libjpeg, postgresql, etc.) ?
[02:52] <hayden> yo ompaul
[02:52] <Quarupt> thats what i need lol
[02:52] <usual> oh
[02:52] <drspin> fsc:  ay -- it seems that Ubuntu is doing the right things to bring Linux to the average joe!
[02:52] <Quarupt> i can give ya some like gmail invites for your troubles
[02:52] <Quarupt> lol
[02:52] <drspin> I have 50 Gmail invites...
[02:52] <Quarupt> I have over 600
[02:52] <Quarupt> lol
[02:53] <fsc> drspin, and for those that have been using linux for years, and want a simple, nice looking gnome desktop
[02:53] <usual> I have gmail invites dripping out of my ass
[02:53] <drspin> heh - yeah it's pretty rediculous
[02:53] <Ziggity> fsc, whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu.. which is the official >>
[02:53] <usual> thanks though
[02:53] <Quarupt> i had 12 accounts when they did the give everyone 50 invites thing
[02:53] <underdog> guys, ubuntu installation hangs when it's "Starting PC card services...". ideas? i'm on a toshiba laptop
[02:53] <fsc> Ziggity,  Ubuntu is official - Gnome
[02:53] <Quarupt> maybe detect-laptop failed
[02:53] <usual> Quarupt, I am stopping the linphone-im package and moving onto the gaim-vv
[02:53] <delltony> kde with ubuntu
[02:53] <Ziggity> underdog, do u have the card in?
[02:54] <Quarupt> no please dont
[02:54] <underdog> Ziggity: no cards
[02:54] <usual> Quarupt, if my package for gaim-vv works maybe the linphone-im deb from that site works
[02:54] <drspin> underdog: weird but try cleaning the dust out of the laptop -- expecially if you smoke [insert product here]  -- it solved a lot of problems for my roommate
[02:54] <Quarupt> theres no use the whole point of the gaim-vv fork is for video and audio support
[02:54] <delltony> dang can't get styles to act right with this thing :( Riddell if your around i sure could use your help
[02:54] <Quarupt> so if ya dont have that might as well use gaim
[02:54] <underdog> drspin: was that supposed to be funny?
[02:54] <Ziggity> underdog, whats the machine spec
[02:55] <underdog> hold on
[02:55] <drspin> underdog: partially... but I'm serious --
[02:55] <Ziggity> Where can I get new backgrounds etc for Ubuntu?
[02:55] <Quarupt> ?me waits for working free linux Reason port
[02:55] <usual> I just said I was compiling gaim-vv
[02:55] <usual> not gaim
[02:55] <underdog> Ziggity: www.gnomelook.org / www.deviantart.com
[02:55] <Quarupt> i know
[02:55] <usual> and the linphone-im package from that site I gave you might work with it
[02:56] <Quarupt> but that depend is what makes the video stuff work without the video stuff its just gaim
[02:56] <drspin> LinuxJones: I didn't get a reconfigure window after installing libgnome2-pearl
[02:56] <drspin> LOL *perl
[02:56] <usual> dpkg-deb: building package `libj2k' in `../libj2k_0.0.9-1_i386.deb'.
[02:56] <usual> that was quick
[02:56] <Ziggity> ok.. I ran make install on Monodevelop it did not complain - it installed a menu item under programming BUT it don't open when I click it..
[02:56] <Quarupt> i would pay someone 100 bux to port Reason for me
[02:56] <hayden> anyone know how to change the mouse cursor theme?
[02:57] <hayden> anyone know how to change the mouse cursor theme in gnome ubuntu?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> drspin, you have to reconfigure a package
[02:57] <drspin> I would pay for Macromedia if they would port their software
[02:57] <Quarupt> is the gaim-vv.deb gunna install all the depends for us or are we gunna have to dl em 1 by 1?
[02:57] <underdog> Ziggity: what do you need to know?
[02:58] <Quarupt> drspin, i use flashmx and dreamwaever in Vm
[02:58] <Quarupt> and fireworks
[02:58] <Ziggity> underdog, about what ??
[02:58] <Quarupt> not cold fusion though
[02:58] <drspin> Quarupt: sigh VM is ok but lame... the simple fact that I have to use window$ annoys me
[02:58] <delltony> hayden, read this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14029
[02:59] <delltony> i use the pinux cursors
[02:59] <Quarupt> drspin, ya its true
[02:59] <crbvegas> hello
[02:59] <Quarupt> maybe cedega would run em?
[02:59] <hayden> ok thanks
[02:59] <crbvegas> i cannot for the life of me attach this freakin ubuntu box to my ms network
[02:59] <Quarupt> never thought about that
[02:59] <drspin> Quarupt: actually X-over Office will run both of them almost 100 %
[02:59] <Ziggity> what ever happened to Caldera Linux?
[03:00] <Quarupt> crbvegas, samba?
[03:00] <drspin> a few small annoyances... but useable
[03:00] <crbvegas> yeah, its on
[03:00] <aurax> anyone here uses intel mobo D915GAV ?
[03:00] <crbvegas> i don't know much about samba
[03:00] <aurax> i need some information about it
[03:00] <crbvegas> but i enabled it
[03:00] <delltony> anyone here running kubuntu?
[03:00] <Quarupt> crbvegas, are the xp machines on sp2?
[03:00] <Ziggity> crbvegas, It should work straight out..
[03:00] <crbvegas> yes
[03:00] <crbvegas> yeah, i don't see it on my network
[03:00] <drspin> in defense of VM, I learned what little I know about networking using Vmware in windows && linux
[03:01] <Quarupt> lol Dr_Acemaster
[03:01] <Quarupt> drspin,
[03:01] <Quarupt> even
[03:01] <drspin> heh
[03:01] <Quarupt> eww fc3 is ugly
[03:01] <delltony> crbvegas, u using vmware?
[03:01] <aurax> anyone ?
[03:02] <Ziggity> ok.. chaps.. gotta go .. thanx for all the help..
[03:02] <Quarupt> Man i am so happy i found Ubuntu, its the greatsest distro i have ever use honestly
[03:02] <Ziggity> brandon_niemczyk, Thanx.. hope to see you soon/
[03:02] <crbvegas> uhhh
[03:02] <Ziggity> bye!
[03:02] <crbvegas> no i am not using vm where
[03:02] <delltony> ok
[03:02] <raydogg``> whats wrong with vmwar ?
[03:02] <raydogg``> vmware ?
[03:02] <Quarupt> nothing
[03:02] <delltony> well try this smb://ipofhost
[03:02] <Quarupt> long as ya have the mem
[03:03] <delltony> like smb://192.168.1.101
[03:03] <raydogg``> I use it all the time to do sandbox testing
[03:03] <raydogg``> works great for me
[03:03] <Quarupt> I have 2gb and styill cant stand running xp in a host
[03:03] <raydogg``> i only have 1 gig
[03:03] <drspin> delltony: will that work for another computer that pulls it's IP address from my ISP?
[03:03] <Quarupt> i have the fastest ddr2 you can buy too
[03:03] <crbvegas> im retarded
[03:04] <delltony> crbvegas, i assume it worked ;)
 well try this smb://ipofhost <------------ no, i don't know what this means
[03:04] <crbvegas> try it where
[03:04] <Quarupt> I might venture into getting fglrx driver working again, but it really pissed me off last night
[03:04] <delltony> in a file browser
[03:04] <usual> Quarupt, .....
[03:04] <Quarupt> ya
[03:04] <crbvegas> alright
[03:05] <lukewarm> Does array 6 seem like a pretty stable drop?
[03:05] <crbvegas> now heres the thing
[03:05] <Quarupt> usual, .....
[03:05] <crbvegas> it wont let me do that
[03:05] <crbvegas> because i have public IPs
[03:05] <Quarupt> \wtf is array?
[03:05] <delltony> so your not connected to the widnows box thru a router
[03:05] <delltony> or a crossover cable?
[03:06] <usual> dpkg-deb: building package `gaim-0.79-vv' in `../gaim-0.79-vv_3-1_i386.deb'.
[03:06] <crbvegas> through a switch, going into the cable modem
[03:06] <drspin> crbvegas: I have the same problem :) :)
[03:06] <aurax> so anyone here working with D915GAV mobo ?
[03:06] <lukewarm> Quarupt: /topic #ubuntu
[03:07] <crbvegas> SWEET
[03:07] <crbvegas> ive never met anyone with this problem
[03:07] <Darwin35> what is the root passwor for waty worthog ?
[03:07] <delltony> well whats the ip of the windows machine?
[03:07] <crbvegas> but i've got 5 dynamic IPs
[03:07] <Quarupt> i have read the yoic it doesnt explain waht array is
[03:07] <Darwin35> I just installed but it never asked me to set a root passwd
[03:08] <drspin> I have 2 ATM -- one for the dual processor and one for this machine
[03:08] <drspin> Darwin35: consider using sudo
[03:08] <Darwin35> anyone know the root password for it
[03:08] <drspin> Darwin35: man sudo
[03:08] <Darwin35> you have tokow the passwd
[03:08] <crbvegas> crap
[03:08] <drspin> Darwin35: your password will be the same as your password...
[03:08] <crbvegas> going to add some friends, will talk later, bye all!
[03:08] <Quarupt> Darwin35, sudo uses your password for root
[03:09] <Quarupt> usual, everything goin okay man?
[03:09] <drspin> your [sudo]  password will be the same as your password on a fresh warty install
[03:09] <crbvegas> PM me if you can work some magic for me while I'm away
[03:09] <usual> Quarupt, http://transamrit.net/~usual/shot.png
[03:09] <drspin> crbvegas: I think that only option is VPN
[03:09] <drspin> crbvegas: or buy a router...
[03:10] <Quarupt> usual ever heard of jpg
[03:10] <Quarupt> lol
[03:10] <Ziggity> ok..i'm back.. how do I uninstall an application after using make intstall ?>>
[03:10] <usual> bah
[03:10] <Darwin35> why do they lock the root passwd
[03:10] <Darwin35> it should not be set
[03:10] <drspin> Darwin35: security
[03:10] <Darwin35> it should ask you during the install to set a root passwd
[03:11] <Ziggity> how do I uninstall an application after using make intstall ?>>
[03:11] <Quarupt> usual
[03:11] <Quarupt> cool
[03:11] <Darwin35> man sudo is a pain
[03:11] <Quarupt> did ya add the debs to the repositories?
[03:11] <drspin> Ziggity: try "make uninstall"
[03:11] <usual> Quarupt, no, I used the ones from the link I gave you earlier because it was taking a while to compile
[03:11] <Quarupt> darwin just go sudo passwd    then enter your user password and you wont have to worry about it anymore
[03:12] <Quarupt> lol
[03:12] <Yobui> joeblow1234 are you there?
[03:12] <Ziggity> drspin, oohhh ok..
[03:12] <Quarupt> usual well when i tried those it didnt work so i guess im sol again
[03:12] <usual> Quarupt, no, you just didn't pay any mind to what it complained about
[03:12] <underdog> hmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages
[03:12] <underdog> any ideas? :(
[03:12] <Quarupt> whats the link again?
[03:13] <usual> http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[03:13] <usual> you gotta add it to your sources.list
[03:14] <Ziggity> WooooHooooo that worked
[03:14] <Quarupt> usual http://www.pastebin.com/249524
[03:14] <Ziggity> thanx
[03:14] <Ziggity> Bye! again
[03:14] <Quarupt> usual what do i need to add?
[03:14] <eleazar> hi, i just installed ubuntu and it didnt asked me for setting the root password, so anyone can tell me how to set it?
[03:14] <Quarupt> whats the exact line, im bad with source adding ;)
[03:15] <usual> Quarupt, use synaptic
[03:15] <usual> Quarupt, remove gaim-data
[03:15] <Quarupt> okay
[03:15] <Quarupt> how?
[03:15] <usual> remove whatever  it complains about
[03:15] <Quarupt> lol
[03:15] <usual> man.....
[03:15] <uMkulu> man is to view the manual of most commands, type 'man command'
[03:15] <usual> read something damn
[03:15] <tobizug> germans here?
[03:15] <Darwin35> ok got it
[03:15] <Darwin35> passwd changed
[03:15] <stuNNed> so what's the answer to the slowness in Hoary current?
[03:15] <Quarupt> see this is why using the rpm was easier i didnt need to go out and research all this shit
[03:16] <usual> Quarupt, I got the same exact complaints
[03:16] <eleazar> hello?
[03:16] <usual> easier does NOT mean better
[03:16] <daniels> usual: itym 'not always'
[03:16] <usual> ask around, not many people will say using alien on an rpm is a good idea
[03:16] <johnnybezak> it usual ly does though :D
[03:16] <johnwlittle> eleazar: Ubuntu uses sudo as opposed to a root account for admin features
[03:16] <Quarupt> just dpkg --remove gaim-data?
[03:16] <usual> johnnybezak, heh
[03:17] <usual> daniels, hey I have been meaning to bug you :0
[03:17] <Quarupt> ?
[03:17] <daniels> oh?
[03:17] <usual> daniels, I am having quite a laggy desktop in hoary....is this another X issue?
[03:17] <underdog> hmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages. any ideas?
[03:17] <Quarupt> usual, please walk me through what ya just did, it wont take long
[03:18] <usual> Quarupt, do you know how to add the site to your sources.list?
[03:18] <daniels> usual: i've heard a lot about it, but I don't know why
[03:18] <Quarupt> yea with synaptic but i need an APT line
[03:18] <usual> daniels, just the fact that I am not the only one makes me feel better
[03:18] <Quarupt> is it just deb site main stable?
[03:18] <eleazar> johnwlittle, ok how do i setup my sudo account?
[03:19] <usual> deb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main
[03:19] <johnwlittle> you dont setup a sudo account...its a command
[03:19] <speel> i wouldent consider installing debain made packages with ubuntu .deb packages
[03:19] <eleazar> johnwlittle, so, i just type sudo and thats it?
[03:19] <dazed_> hey can anyone help me get on a windows network to share files??whats the program
 i wouldent consider installing debain made packages with ubuntu .deb packages
[03:20] <Quarupt> ???
[03:20] <johnwlittle> eleazar: read the starter guide, follow it, and all will be clear: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:20] <Quarupt> thast what your supposed to use
[03:20] <Quarupt> usual what the APT line for the site?
[03:20] <usual> daniels, if you happen to hear a soulution and see me floating around plz share
[03:20] <virtuald> does anyone else use traceroute-nanog from hoary universe? the -O option doesn't work, where do i report this?
[03:20] <usual> Quarupt, scroll up
[03:20] <speel> well one reason is ubuntu does not reccomend using debian packages
[03:20] <dazed_> anyone help me use samba to get on windows networks please help!?
[03:21] <speel> well debian made packages i.e packages from debian.com
[03:21] <jblack> Has anybody seen a problem with their machine locking up when running apt-get ?
[03:21] <Quarupt> i did all ya gave me was the site, to add it in synaptic i need a full APT line
[03:21] <johnwlittle> eleazar: also, here is an explanation of sudo http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/
[03:21] <usual> Quarupt, scroll up and actually read
[03:22] <dazed_> anyone help me use samba to get on windows networks please help!?
[03:22] <Quarupt> omg i have read everything you have said in my buffer
[03:22] <Quarupt> want a damn screen shot
[03:22] <usual> Quarupt is it just deb site main stable?
[03:22] <usual> eleazar johnwlittle, ok how do i setup my sudo account?
[03:22] <usual> usual deb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main
[03:22] <Quarupt> oh
[03:23] <Quarupt> my bad
[03:23] <Quarupt> thanks
[03:23] <usual> np
[03:23] <Quarupt> I guess i didnt read EVERYTHING
[03:23] <Quarupt> smack
[03:23] <usual> heh
[03:23] <johnwlittle> i give up lol
[03:24] <Quarupt> okay i added the source now what?
[03:24] <speel> sudo apt-get update
[03:24] <speel> or open up synaptic and hit reload
[03:24] <usual> Quarupt, update
[03:24] <Quarupt> i allways do that
[03:24] <Quarupt> i did
[03:24] <usual> Quarupt, then search got gaim
[03:25] <usual> you'll see gaim gaim-data and gaim-vv
[03:25] <raydogg``> is there a changelog for array6 ?
[03:25] <usual> choose to remove gaim and gaim-data
[03:25] <usual> and to install gaim-vv
[03:25] <dazed_> can anyone please help me use samba...how do i explore other computers?
[03:25] <raydogg``> is there a changelog for array6 ?
[03:25] <raydogg``> dazed_, install smb4k
[03:25] <dazed_> smbk4?
[03:25] <dazed_> ok
[03:25] <johnwlittle> dazed_: did you follow the samba instructions in the starter guide?
[03:25] <speel> raydogg``: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-March/024637.html
[03:26] <raydogg``> thx speel
[03:26] <speel> np
[03:26] <dazed_> johnwlittle..wheres the starter guide?
[03:26] <dazed_> the ubuntu>?
[03:26] <dazed_> or the samba
[03:26] <uMkulu> i heard the samba was my best bet then
[03:26] <Quarupt> okay done usual
[03:26] <johnwlittle> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:26] <Quarupt> but gaim-vv shows up there as well
[03:26] <usual> Quarupt, ok, now apply
[03:26] <Quarupt> maybe from the rpm?
[03:26] <Yobui> delltony ayt?
[03:27] <Quarupt> its applied
[03:27] <usual> ok, now launch gaim
[03:27] <delltony> yeah i'm here
[03:27] <Quarupt> but what about gaim-vv its listed as an installed package as well
[03:27] <usual> check the about, is it gaim-vv
[03:27] <Yobui> delltony you have KDE on ubuntu too, right?
[03:27] <usual> oh
[03:27] <usual> yeah
[03:27] <delltony> yeah
[03:27] <usual> well
[03:27] <usual> try it
[03:27] <Quarupt> Cannot launch icon
[03:27] <Quarupt> Details: Failed to execute child process "gaim" (No such file or directory)
[03:27] <usual> does it open
[03:27] <Quarupt> nope
[03:27] <usual> remove gaim-vv
[03:27] <usual> and install it again
[03:27] <usual> that damn rpm
[03:28] <speel> :: caugh cant use debian.com packages caugh ::
[03:28] <Quarupt> lol ok
[03:28] <delltony> Yobui, ?
[03:28] <uMkulu> Yobui, are you uding hoary ?
[03:28] <usual> speel, cough couch see my ss of it running fine cough
[03:28] <Nekohayo> Hi, is there an MP3 tagger out there that queries information from the net, then leaves the user the choice to use them (if accurate) or not?
[03:28] <speel> then you got lucky
[03:28] <Yobui> have you been able to browse windows shares with KDE? i tried the LAN browser but it comploains protocol not supported lan
[03:28] <usual> what do you think ubuntu is
[03:28] <Quarupt> install it from the deb i got from the site you gave me?
[03:28] <Yobui> uMkulu no, warty
[03:28] <uMkulu> Yobui: huh?
[03:29] <usual> Quarupt, man it's so simple....get rid of that fucking rpm deb you made, then use synaptic to update and install gaim-vv
[03:29] <speel> rofl
[03:29] <delltony> yeah i access my shares just fine but i ssh into my box
[03:29] <Yobui> uMkulu delltony  in the home icon
[03:29] <uMkulu> Yobui: sorry...
[03:29] <Quarupt> hey it worked
[03:29] <delltony> i do it different
[03:29] <usual> heh
[03:30] <Yobui> delltony did you install something special? like samba-kde or something like that?
[03:30] <poxymox> Conz
[03:30] <Quarupt> usual,Thanks a million
[03:30] <delltony> for what the ssh?
[03:30] <Yobui> no
[03:30] <Quarupt> but what depends do i need to get all the video and stuff working?
[03:30] <usual> Quarupt, np, now if anything in it doesn't work, read the site
[03:30] <usual> enable plugins
[03:30] <Yobui> for the samba share
[03:30] <usual> install extra packages etc
[03:30] <Yobui> i have a disk shared on a windows box
[03:30] <delltony> no i just set it up
[03:30] <Yobui> i want to acces it from my ubuntu-kde
[03:30] <delltony> installed samba
[03:30] <delltony> and setup the smb.conf file
[03:30] <usual> Quarupt, your on your own now man I already uninstalled it
[03:30] <Quarupt> usual do i need all those packages that the site says, where can i get em?
[03:31] <delltony> to include my share dirs and all
[03:31] <usual> Quarupt, I would go to preferences
[03:31] <usual> enable the plguins like linphone
[03:31] <usual> libj2k
[03:31] <Yobui> delltony i mean the other way around, accessing the windows box from the linux, not the linux shares from the windows
[03:31] <usual> shit like that
[03:31] <usual> then try your audio video
[03:31] <usual> and go from there
[03:31] <delltony> no all you do is use smb
[03:31] <delltony> at least thats what i do anyway
[03:32] <Yobui> delltony could you provide an example please? :) (smbclient you mean?)
[03:32] <delltony> open up the filebrowser
[03:32] <delltony> nautlius or whatever its called
[03:32] <Yobui> yrah
[03:32] <Yobui> yeah
[03:32] <delltony> and put in the address field smb://192.168.1.100
[03:33] <delltony> or whatever your ip is of that host
[03:33] <poxymox> Yobui: mount -t smbfs -o username=bla //IPADRESS/Share /mnt -o umask=0
[03:33] <Quarupt> usual, i dont see any of those listed as plugins?
[03:33] <usual> Quarupt, I did
[03:33] <delltony> or you can mount it like he said
[03:33] <usual> Quarupt, install them
[03:33] <Quarupt> i dunno how?
[03:33] <usual> Quarupt, in synaptic search for linphone
[03:33] <Quarupt> man why is this such a hassle
[03:33] <usual> Quarupt, and libj2k
[03:33] <usual> it aint'
[03:33] <Quarupt> ok
[03:33] <usual> you just don't know
[03:33] <usual> thats all
[03:34] <usual> now you know
[03:34] <Yobui> delltony i tried that but it didn't work, i'll try mounting the thing and probably doing that i'll discover what the problem is, maybe it's the firewall or something
[03:34] <Yobui> poxymox thnx
[03:34] <usual> man I need another gunniess
[03:34] <usual> heh
[03:34] <Quarupt> usual, theres linphone and linphone1
[03:34] <usual> Quarupt, I have no clue
[03:34] <usual> Quarupt, ones newer ones older'
[03:34] <poxymox> np :-)
[03:35] <Quarupt> they all have same version
[03:35] <Quarupt> exactly
[03:35] <delltony> but what i have always done was mount -t smbfs //ipaddress/sharefolder /mountpoint -o rw,umask=777,fmask=777
[03:35] <usual> ok, go for broke
[03:35] <Quarupt> huh?
[03:35] <usual> if one don't work remove it
[03:35] <usual> then try the other
[03:35] <GammaRay> delltony: a little redundant
[03:36] <delltony> like mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.200/shared /media/myxpdrive -o rw,umask=777,fmask=777
[03:36] <usual> Quarupt, I would go here http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[03:36] <Quarupt> they were all dependencies of the main one anyways
[03:36] <usual> Quarupt, and use that as a reference
[03:36] <GammaRay> delltony: umask covers fmask
[03:36] <usual> install shit in synaptic that you see in there
[03:36] <Yobui> hmmm
[03:36] <delltony> ok didn't know that see learn something new every day
[03:36] <delltony> thanks
[03:37] <Yobui> i get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.0.1/E or too many mounted filesystems :/
[03:37] <usual> liblinphone1_1.0.0pre9-1_i386.deb       04-Mar-2005 03:14   173k
[03:37] <Quarupt> okay so there both installed, whats the one i need for msn video confrencing?
[03:37] <usual> thats newwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[03:37] <usual> no idea
[03:37] <usual> try it
[03:37] <usual> see what happens
[03:37] <Quarupt> lol its the one ya just said
[03:37] <Quarupt> where can i get it?
[03:37] <usual> synaptic man
[03:37] <usual> where you been
[03:37] <delltony> Yobui, have you done sudo /etc/init.d/smb restart ?
[03:38] <Yobui> delltony heh, good idea :)
[03:38] <Yobui> i had it running
[03:38] <Yobui> the same problem
[03:38] <robodex> wow, I never realized gdesklets had an irc desklet.... how... useless
[03:38] <robodex> :p
[03:39] <Quarupt> NOW i have no gaim bins?
[03:39] <delltony> try samba instead
[03:39] <Quarupt> wtf?
[03:39] <Yobui> yes
[03:39] <delltony> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:39] <PacoBCN> hi guys
[03:39] <PacoBCN> one question
[03:39] <usual> daniels, that lag seems to affect everything in X not just something specific
[03:39] <Quarupt> usual, where is the gaim-vv bin?
[03:39] <Yobui> i did /etc/init.d/samba restart (as root)
[03:39] <PacoBCN> I can delete linux-headers, right?
[03:39] <usual> Quarupt, it's just gaim
[03:39] <poxymox> You installed the smbfs?
[03:39] <PacoBCN> I mean, I need as much disk space as possible now
[03:39] <Quarupt> ya i dont have a gaim bin anymore either
[03:39] <Quarupt> wtf
[03:39] <Yobui> sudo apt-get install smbfs?
[03:40] <usual> weird
[03:40] <usual> i did
[03:40] <poxymox> cat /proc/filesystems | grep smb
[03:40] <Quarupt> great
[03:40] <Quarupt> this is soooo fun
[03:40] <usual> maybe I should VNC to YOU!
[03:40] <usual> haha
[03:40] <poxymox> yes
[03:40] <usual> or ssh
[03:40] <dazed_> alright i cant get this to work
[03:40] <Quarupt> root@UBunBOX:/home/sean # gaim
[03:40] <Quarupt> bash: gaim: command not found
[03:40] <Quarupt> man, wtf
[03:40] <usual> man
[03:40] <usual> i dunno
[03:40] <usual> haha
[03:40] <Yobui> great, i didn't know it wasn't installed by default :)
[03:40] <Quarupt> great
[03:40] <usual> I can't see it
[03:41] <Yobui> now i'm seeing the files
[03:41] <usual> you saw mine
[03:41] <Quarupt> im glad
[03:41] <Yobui> thanks again guys
[03:41] <Quarupt> ya i did
[03:41] <usual> go back to synapitc
[03:41] <usual> search for gaim
[03:41] <usual> what does it show
[03:41] <PacoBCN> is it safe to download linux-headers?
[03:41] <Quarupt> i know why
[03:41] <Quarupt> i need
[03:41] <Quarupt> liblinphone0
[03:42] <usual> k
[03:42] <usual> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:42] <usual> if it's broken
[03:42] <Quarupt> it never even installed
[03:42] <Quarupt> i just thought it did
[03:42] <usual> oh
[03:42] <Quarupt> and now i cant find
[03:42] <usual> i told you fool
[03:42] <Quarupt> liblinphone0
[03:42] <usual> search for linphone
[03:42] <Quarupt> not in synaptic
[03:42] <usual> and libj2k
[03:43] <Quarupt> i installed those allready remeber
[03:43] <usual> man I got no clue....just going on whatcha tell me
[03:43] <Quarupt> i need liblinphone0 thats what dpkg is saying
[03:43] <usual> I'm just trying to help ya
[03:43] <Quarupt> i know
[03:43] <Quarupt> and i apreciate it
[03:43] <usual> np
[03:43] <Quarupt> when these oxy's i just took kick in ill be in a waay better mood
[03:43] <usual> sudo apt-get install liblinphone0
[03:43] <Yobui> ok,
[03:43] <Quarupt> but where can i find a liblinphone0 deb
[03:44] <Yobui> my last question
[03:44] <Quarupt> theres no package
[03:44] <Yobui> what do you use to see avi's?
[03:44] <usual> http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[03:44] <usual> it's right there
[03:44] <usual> liblinphone1_1.0.0pre9-1_i386.deb       04-Mar-2005 03:14   173k
[03:44] <Quarupt> Package liblinphone0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:44] <Quarupt> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:44] <Quarupt> is only available from another source
[03:44] <Quarupt> E: Package liblinphone0 has no installation candidate
[03:44] <usual> try liblinphone
[03:44] <usual> without the 0
[03:44] <Quarupt> but i added that source and i cant find it still
[03:45] <usual> or liblinphone1
[03:45] <Quarupt> no go
[03:45] <Quarupt> but dpkg says i need Package liblinphone0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:45] <Quarupt> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:45] <Quarupt> is only available from another source
[03:45] <Quarupt> E: Package liblinphone0 has no installation candidate
[03:45] <Quarupt> ooops
[03:45] <Quarupt> sorry
[03:45] <usual> try 1
[03:45] <Quarupt> forgot that was in my clip still
[03:45] <usual> liblinphone1
[03:45] <Quarupt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:45] <Quarupt>   gaim-vv: Depends: liblinphone0 but it is not installable
[03:45] <Quarupt> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[03:46] <underdog> hmm, I have diabled hw-detection on start-up, but it hangs when it installs the extra packages. any ideas?
[03:46] <Quarupt> whats that all about?
[03:46] <usual> and you did sudo apt-get -f install
[03:46] <Quarupt> usual?
[03:46] <uMkulu> it has been said that usual is building a linphone-im deb
[03:46] <dazed> someone really needs to help me with samba
[03:46] <dazed> i cant get it to work
[03:46] <usual> uMkulu, it was said much earlier that usual found out it was for MSN video and killed the build
[03:46] <uMkulu> usual: excuse me?
[03:47] <usual> uMkulu, excuse you for what?
[03:47] <Quarupt> usual, okay it removed it
[03:47] <hayden> Australia
[03:47] <Quarupt> usual,  now what reinstall it or?
[03:47] <usual> Quarupt, removed what exactly?
[03:47] <uMkulu> usual: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down.
[03:47] <uMkulu> well, Australia is the place to be!
[03:47] <dazed> can someone please help me with samba
[03:47] <Quarupt> gaim-vv
[03:47] <Quarupt> it was half installed i guess
[03:47] <dazed> i just want a few files off my stupid friends winblows
[03:47] <usual> wow
[03:47] <usual> i had none of this trouble
[03:47] <usual> same OS
[03:47] <Quarupt> lol
[03:47] <Quarupt> dunno
[03:48] <Quarupt> anyways should i just try to install it again?
[03:48] <usual> update
[03:48] <Quarupt> i might be using the wrong deb i wanna dl it again
[03:48] <usual> then try again yeah
[03:48] <Quarupt> whats the site onvce more
[03:48] <usual> http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[03:48] <usual> bookmarkt hat shit
[03:48] <usual> Quarupt, dload whatever you need right from there
[03:49] <usual> if it bitches about a dependency download it from there also
[03:49] <usual> ect ect ect
[03:49] <Quarupt> isnt that what i added as a source?
[03:49] <usual> yes
[03:49] <Quarupt> lol so i can just use synaptic
[03:50] <usual> but if you download it right fromt he browser you don't have to go throught he hassle of apt not liking the package name
[03:50] <usual> Quarupt, yes, but you were having issues
[03:50] <Quarupt> oh i see
[03:50] <Quarupt> lets try this again
[03:50] <usual> aright
[03:50] <usual> brb getting more beer
[03:50] <marcin_ant> hi guoys
[03:50] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:50] <tga> hey
[03:51] <hayden> i accidently took gaim from the task bar in gnome, how can i get it back there (not a launcher, to sit there when it is open)
[03:51] <marcin_ant> s/guoys/guys
[03:51] <Quarupt> gaim-vv depends on liblinphone0
[03:51] <tga> any idea how I can install a dri-enabled libGL? xmesalib-dri doesn't seem to do the trick
[03:51] <Quarupt> lol
[03:51] <Quarupt> wtf
[03:51] <Quarupt> and i have 1
[03:51] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me how to send files to cell phone via bluetooth?
[03:51] <Quarupt> so i have to downgrade or what?
[03:51] <tga> Quarupt: man ln :)
[03:51] <tga> Quarupt: ie create a symlink and see if it works
[03:51] <marcin_ant> I can receive with gnome-obex-server but I don't know how to send
[03:52] <tga> gnome-obex-client?
[03:52] <drew> hey
[03:52] <drew> i just installed ubunto
[03:52] <drew> er ubuntu
[03:52] <drew> i love it
[03:52] <drew> very good job
[03:53] <usual> mmmm
[03:53] <usual> beer
[03:53] <usual> man X is driving me bonkers
[03:53] <drew> im just wounderin for some reason my apt-get doesnt seem to ahve any packages in its repo and or no repo, how can i add the ubuntu .deb package repos
[03:53] <Quarupt> usual, WTF
[03:53] <Quarupt> gaim-vv depends on liblinphone0; however:
[03:53] <usual> ?
[03:53] <Quarupt>   Package liblinphone0 is not installed.
[03:53] <Quarupt> and i installed it from THAT site
[03:53] <usual> ok
[03:53] <Quarupt> man this is gay
[03:54] <Yobui> bye guys, thanks for all the help
[03:54] <drew> how do i setup apt-get in ubuntu
[03:54] <Quarupt> it wants liblinphone0 and the site only has liblinphone1
[03:54] <drew> for all the ubuntu repos
[03:54] <hayden> i accidently took gaim from the task bar in gnome, how can i get it back there (not a launcher, to sit there when it is open)
[03:54] <Quest-Master> drew: apt-get is already setup
[03:54] <coroner> i can seem to make my ubuntu kill the X in order to be able to install the nvidia drivers?
[03:54] <Quest-Master> drew: Just sudo apt-get install packagenamehere
[03:54] <Quest-Master> Or
[03:55] <Quest-Master> Use Synaptic, drew
[03:55] <GammaRay> coroner: try /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:55] <mairu> how to check whether infra red is detected or not? Any commands like lspci,lsusb?
[03:55] <drew> yea
[03:55] <drew> hrmm
[03:55] <drew> quest-master i never did the update my system thing when i installed
[03:56] <drew> let me try tho
[03:56] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:56] <coroner> thanks GammaRay
[03:56] <tga> drew: you either use Synaptic or you stick this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <tga> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[03:56] <tga> oops, wrong line
[03:57] <drew> i dont have synaptics on my computer
[03:57] <drew> odd
[03:57] <drew> :-/
[03:57] <Quarupt> i need another IM client while im working on this one enyone know another one packaged for debian?
[03:57] <tga> drew: synaptic
[03:57] <uMkulu> synaptic is the packagemanager GUI on dpkg based systems
[03:57] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:57] <drew> oh
[03:57] <drew> there we go, sorry im an arch linux user
[03:57] <drew> im used to pacman
[03:57] <tga> uMkulu: who asked you? go sit in a corner!
[03:57] <uMkulu> wish i knew, tga
[03:58] <johnnybezak> im just upgrading to hoary, will that give me a new kernel?
[03:58] <tga> johnnybezak: if it doesn't you can grab one later
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> this is funny
[03:58] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:58] <underdog> guys, ubuntu crashes when it's "Installing extra packages..." on my toshiba laptop. what should I do?
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> my mom is a dumb bitch
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> and she likes linux better than windows because it's "easier to use"
[03:59] <tga> underdog: are you installing or something?
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> so I gave her a Unix manual XP
[03:59] <virtuald> bluefoxicy: :D
[03:59] <underdog> tga: trying to, yes
[03:59] <tga> underdog: maybe your cd is scratched or something
[03:59] <johnnybezak> tga: yeah i don't actually want one I was just wondering
[04:00] <virtuald> my mom can't use linux because there's no bookkeeping software
[04:00] <underdog> tga: no, it's brand new
[04:00] <virtuald> at least none worth its name
[04:00] <tga> johnnybezak: apt-cache search linux-image
[04:00] <underdog> not the only one having this problem, searched through the forums
[04:00] <tga> johnnybezak: I don't know if upgrading to hoary will get a new kernel for you
[04:00] <johnnybezak> underdog: what crashes
[04:00] <johnnybezak> tga: cool thanks
[04:00] <tga> underdog: oh, I don't know then :\
[04:01] <tga> virtuald: gnucash works for personal use
[04:01] <virtuald> tga: it's not personal use 8] 
[04:01] <tga> virtuald: you could also try to run whatever you're using in wine.. it might not work but it will be an interesting experience
[04:01] <virtuald> too risky
[04:02] <johnnybezak> have any of you guys set mail up with ubuntu?
[04:02] <johnnybezak> because mine sort of works but I'm getting this error, anyone know how to fix
[04:02] <tga> virtuald: give the software a try in wine, then write an article/blog entry about it. 3. ??? 4. profit
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[04:02] <johnnybezak>     mail.m.iinet.net.au[203.0.178.192]  said: 553 sorry, your envelope sender
[04:02] <johnnybezak>     domain must exist (#5.7.1) (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
[04:02] <virtuald> hehe
[04:03] <marcin_ant> hello again - any gnome-bluetooth user here?
[04:03] <underdog> johnnybezak: the installation crashes
[04:03] <johnnybezak> underdog: ok the install on to the laptop
[04:04] <johnnybezak> underdog: don't install the extra packages
[04:04] <tga> do you even get a choice?
[04:06] <hayden> how do i add a notification area to gnome 2.8
[04:06] <johnnybezak> tga: i dont know
[04:06] <underdog> johnnybezak: i'm running "custom" right now
[04:07] <johnnybezak> underdog: good idea, just do a minimal install from the cd, you can always just apt-get the rest of the stuff
[04:08] <underdog> yeah
[04:08] <underdog> i'll keep you posted
[04:10] <hayden> how do i add a notification area to gnome 2.8
[04:11] <usual> right click panel
[04:11] <usual> add applet
[04:11] <usual> notification applet
[04:11] <hayden> ahh thanks
[04:12] <Levander> anybody know a little about mysql privilege tables? think i just figured something out through a lengthy trial and error process that i wanna verify
[04:12] <usual> Levander, maybe try phpmyadmin?
[04:12] <Levander> usual, why would i try that?
[04:13] <usual> Levander, I found it as a pretty decent front end to mysql
[04:13] <underdog> johnnybezak: it will still try to install the damn extra packages :(
[04:13] <gangalino> what's the proper syntax for using unrar to extract files from a rar archive?
[04:13] <underdog> let me try another cd
[04:13] <underdog> although i'm pretty sure this one is good
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> question
[04:13] <gangalino> unrar -x rarfile.rar?
[04:13] <usual> gangalino, unrar pak.rar
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> if you install array 6 hoary and specify reiserfs as the partition containing /boot, will it use grub by default
[04:13] <usual> or rar -x
[04:14] <usual> wb Quarupt
[04:14] <tga> bluefoxicy: I remember having to pass a funny mount option when using reiser for boot, make sure you find out about that
[04:14] <johnnybezak> underdog: that sux
[04:14] <gangalino> usual: it always fails, even though unrar -t shows the files
[04:14] <johnnybezak> underdog: are you sure its not the dodgy cd
[04:14] <Levander> has any one else tried the new database application in OOo, called Base? what'd yall think?
[04:15] <tga> bluefoxicy: the Gentoo folks probably have this well documented
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> tga:  notail, and you don't have to
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> grub knows about tails
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> so does lilo since about 3 or 4 years ago
[04:17] <tga> bluefoxicy: heh, I'm outdated then. I've always used ext2 for my /boot
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> also for about 5 or 6 years after 99% of pcs still in use could boot from past 1024 cyllindars people still perpetuated the separate /boot at cyllindar 0 thing because tehy were too dumb to realize that you could boot a 30 gig hard drive at cyllindar 55,000
[04:17] <underdog> johnnybezak: does the dodgy cd issue happen a lot? I mean, it's brand new... but i'm trying one that was used for an installation already
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> I mean fuck
[04:17] <awtomlinson> i have just reinstalled warty ubuntu.  now, when i click on the Show Desktop icon, it opens the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i get this to actually show the desktop?
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> I booted from a 30 gig drive with 58,000 cyllindars with / intentionally at the end and 4 gigs wide, with /boot on /, in a 200 mhz pentium from 1998
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> using lilo
[04:18] <johnnybezak> underdog: it certainly can happen, have you got another copy?
[04:18] <mseney> has anyone been able to get the nvidia 6629 drivers to work under Hoary w/ a Riva TNT?
[04:18] <underdog> johnnybezak: can we pm?
[04:19] <johnnybezak> underdog: yeah
[04:20] <awtomlinson>  i have just reinstalled warty ubuntu.  now, when i click on the Show Desktop icon, it opens the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i get this to actually show the desktop?
[04:21] <Robzulah> Hello.  I am new to Ubuntu and my Warty Warthog CD's just arrived.  I went to install, but when I go to set up partitions I found out Macintosh has already used up all my free space in one partition.  I've just recently started learning a lot about computers, and partitions are still a bit fuzzy, can I split the main partition in the Ubuntu setup?
[04:24] <calc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15908
[04:24] <calc> that thread seems to have info about how to do what you want
[04:25] <johnnybezak> Robzulah: stop right now
[04:25] <johnnybezak> Robzulah: doing anything to that partition will probably result in you losing ALL DATA ON THE MAC OS partition
[04:26] <mseney> Robzulah, backup your data before trying to install ubuntu!!!!!!!
[04:27] <awtomlinson> why does my Show Desktop icon open the desktop folder in nautilus.  how can i make it actually show the desktop
[04:28] <calc> hmm ubuntu probably can't resize it, but from what i read on debian-powerpc if you use a current daily sarge d-i cd and disable the journal it will allow you to resize it
[04:28] <johnnybezak> awtomlinson: the desktop folder is just another place showing your desktop contents, to see the desktop just minimse your windows
[04:29] <awtomlinson> johnnybezak, i know this.  when i previously had ubuntu installed, the Show Desktop icon actually showed the desktop, it didn't open the desktop folder in nautilus
[04:29] <calc> but yes backing up your data is a good idea before doing anything major on a system
[04:29] <awtomlinson> and yes, spatial nautilius is disabled
[04:36] <Robzulah> What is daily sarge d-i?
[04:37] <FenrisWolf> hi all, can someone help me with a question
[04:37] <calc> only if you ask it...
[04:37] <FenrisWolf> I dont remember seeing the installer ask me for a root password at all
[04:37] <FenrisWolf> am I missing something?
[04:38] <calc> there is no root login, you use sudo
[04:38] <FenrisWolf> ok
[04:38] <FenrisWolf> thats what I thought
[04:38] <calc> the account created during install is automatically added to the sudo file
[04:39] <Robzulah> has anyone used the AOL dialer from Linsoft?
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> Robzulah, i have it installed... dialer that is
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> was curious
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> but i dont even use the modem
[04:40] <calc> tga: it was useful when used with aohell ;)
[04:42] <FenrisWolf> calc: is there an X version of Aptitude?
[04:42] <Robzulah> Was it a free download?
[04:42] <calc> FenrisWolf: synaptic is similiar
[04:42] <Robzulah> Unfortuneatly, AOL is my only internet source right now
[04:43] <FenrisWolf> oh no, he found me out :)
[04:43] <calc> FenrisWolf: eh?
[04:44] <FenrisWolf> where do you think you have seen me before
[04:44] <calc> FenrisWolf: not sure it has been a while if i have seen you, perhaps i just confused you with someone else
[04:45] <underdog> guys, ubuntu hangs whenever it uses pcmcia
[04:45] <underdog> any ideas?
[04:45] <calc> i'm primarily on freenode now though i used to be efnet all the time
[04:45] <Thierry> hey, in the daily build of march first, the windows at the bottom are very small... is there a bug for this?
[04:46] <calc> FenrisWolf: so do you know me? ;)
[04:46] <FenrisWolf> hehe, cant say I do
[04:46] <FenrisWolf> I am old as dirt though
[04:47] <calc> FenrisWolf: ah so you didn't use efnet long ago?
[04:47] <FenrisWolf> I did
[04:48] <calc> FenrisWolf: erm #snes?
[04:48] <FenrisWolf> from time to time I was in there
[04:48] <calc> FenrisWolf: ah that is where then
[04:48] <calc> FenrisWolf: i was in there for 4-5 years i think and in DC
[04:48] <Marble2> where are printers stored?>
[04:49] <FenrisWolf> I was in virginia
[04:51] <calc> FenrisWolf: ah i meant damaged cybernetics
[04:51] <StoffBox-Steve> kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE , right or ?
[04:51] <calc> before i became a foss person ;)
[04:52] <Marble2> anyone know where printers are stored?
[04:52] <tga> Marble2: I have one under my desk
[04:52] <Marble2> uh
[04:52] <Marble2> i mean i ubuntu ;p
[04:52] <tga> i ubuntu too :)
[04:52] <Marble2> in even
[04:52] <raydogg``> what utility should I run to format and partition a new drive ?
[04:52] <Marble2> what's the location of my printer so I can add it to my samba share
[04:53] <calc> raydogg``: fdisk and mkfs.(whatever)
[04:53] <tga> raydogg``: cfdisk to partition it, mkfs.<fs type> to format
[04:53] <hayden> i most ubuntu
[04:54] <johnnybezak> well im updating to hoary, the only thing that seems to be broken so far is firefox
[04:54] <hayden> i updated to hoary last night, i found that the cursor theme changed from the default ubnutu ones
[04:55] <hayden> and that when i tried to type # the english pound sign came up
[04:55] <hayden> so i had to change keyboard layout
[04:55] <johnnybezak> when i restart will it change to x.org?
[04:55] <hayden> mm
[04:55] <johnnybezak> brb restarting x
[04:56] <hayden> what is the version of hoary?
[04:56] <calc> 5.04
[04:56] <calc> grumpy will be 5.10
[04:57] <calc> hayden: its year.month
[04:57] <hayden> ok
[04:57] <calc> hoary releases in just over 1mo from now
[04:57] <hayden> ok
[04:58] <Thierry> hayden, what is the command to upgrade to hoary? like apt-get what
[04:58] <calc> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:58] <calc> you have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file first though
[04:58] <Thierry> ok thanks
[04:58] <usual> whats up calc
[04:59] <calc> usual: not much, recovering from work :\
[04:59] <hayden> Thierry, go to http://www.ubuntuguide.com and search for hoary and you will find how to do it
[04:59] <Thierry> ok good
[04:59] <usual> calc, I hear that man, long day here...just enjoying some gunniess
[05:00] <usual> calc, you using hoary?
[05:00] <calc> usual: yea
[05:00] <usual> calc, are you experiencing the laggy desktop?
[05:00] <calc> usual: not sure, what lags exactly?
[05:01] <usual> calc, nothing major, just everything in X lag's...sluggish
[05:01] <virtuald> calc: 1+2
[05:01] <calc> well repaint seems a bit slow
[05:01] <calc> virtuald: 5
[05:01] <virtuald> thanks mate
[05:01] <srid> Bug in libapache2-mod-python2.4 !! -
[05:01] <srid>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/mod_python/apache.py", line 28, in ?
[05:01] <srid>     import _apache
[05:01] <srid> ImportError: No module named _apache
[05:01] <usual> calc, maybe thats what it is
[05:01] <calc> usual: if i drag things around on the screen i see a lot of trailing garbage
[05:02] <calc> i don't recall that happening before
[05:02] <usual> calc, yeah that
[05:02] <usual> calc, just annoying
[05:02] <hayden> calc, how does shared folders work in hoary
[05:02] <calc> hayden: no idea i haven't used them
[05:02] <hayden> okj
[05:02] <usual> wb Quar
[05:03] <Quar> hrm
[05:03] <Quar> oh thats why
[05:03] <Quar> lol i was i cant identify
[05:03] <usual> heh
[05:04] <Quarupt> usual thx again man
[05:04] <usual> np man
[05:04] <usual> :)
[05:04] <usual> hope it works
[05:04] <Quarupt> I trusted ya to come on my system, and were very trustworthy
[05:05] <Quarupt> now if i could only get mh fglrx working id be in heaven
[05:05] <usual> fglrx?
[05:05] <johnnybezak> done hoary is installed :)
[05:05] <johnnybezak> and alsa is working again, go figure :)
[05:06] <Quarupt> I cant believe all this time i thought i was Hoary i wasnt all the way my sources were still pointed at warty
[05:06] <Quarupt> go figure
[05:07] <Quarupt> probably why the fgrlx didnt work
[05:07] <tga> loool
[05:07] <tga> way to go Quarupt
[05:07] <Quarupt> tga, ya think i should try it again?
[05:07] <Quarupt> lol
[05:07] <Quarupt> I know its so user friendly
[05:08] <johnnybezak> anyone know why mplayer is dependant on a package that doesnt exist in hoary
[05:08] <srid> workin
[05:08] <tga> johnnybezak: look for the restricted formats page on the ubuntu site
[05:08] <usual> brb
[05:09] <Quarupt> johnnybezak, its not
[05:09] <Quarupt> i have it
[05:09] <Quarupt> and im Hoary
[05:09] <NetwrkMonkey> yup
[05:09] <heliolith> hello all: is anyone in here use a Spanish keyboard layout available via the Gnome gui preferences setup menu?  I can get the layout to switch, but the dang accent is backwards!
[05:09] <johnnybezak> ppc?
[05:09] <Quarupt> tga is the fgrlx driver in any repositories you know?
[05:09] <johnnybezak> tga: yeah i dont mind installing it from somewhere else, but how do i tell apt that ive installed it from somewhere else
[05:10] <heliolith> anyone remember the name of the ubuntu spanish channel?  is it ubuntu-es?
[05:10] <Quarupt> tga, Cause i cant remeber where we got it
[05:11] <heliolith> using the little panel to add accents while you're typing in another language is wayyyy too time consuming...
[05:12] <sockler> i made two partitions on my box and installed ubuntu on the second one, windows XP on the first, how do i get the dual boot option every time i start up??
[05:13] <johnnybezak> ok in warty gnome-control-center brought up everything, now it only brings up desktop preferences how do i get it to show everything (im using flux not metacity, hence me needing to know how to get it from the console)
[05:14] <Quarupt> where is gnome-control-center
[05:14] <GammaRay> sockler: edit /etc/grub/ment.lst
[05:15] <GammaRay> sockler: comment out hiddenmenu
[05:15] <NumPy> hello all
[05:15] <packman_e> hello all
[05:15] <Quarupt> That was weird
[05:15] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: thats the programs command
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[05:15] <Quarupt> --> packman_e (~packman@host-84-9-89-36.bulldogdsl.com) has joined #ubuntu
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[05:16] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: to launch from the console
[05:16] <Quarupt> johnnybezak, yea, but its not in any of the menu's?
[05:16] <johnnybezak> Quarapt: its probably called something like Control Center
[05:16] <packman_e> just a quick question to kick things off. after installing ubuntu 4, how do you set a password for root please?
[05:16] <NumPy> ..is there a dev channel for ubuntu
[05:16] <sockler> GammaRay: i cant even get to ubuntu, windows XP boots first, i looked in setup but didnt see anything about partitions
[05:17] <Quarupt> packman_e, sudu passwd, but iw ouldnt recomend it
[05:17] <Quarupt> s/sudu/sudo
[05:17] <packman_e> why?
[05:17] <Quarupt> sudo is a security feature
[05:17] <dr_willis> its a bad habbit to use root that way.
[05:17] <dr_willis> is their logic
[05:18] <dr_willis> when ya need to do rooty stuff. use that user and 'sudo whatever'
[05:18] <packman_e> i don't understand
[05:18] <dr_willis> "rooty stuff" :)
[05:18] <Quarupt> it does get annoting though, i also did sudo passwd
[05:18] <Quarupt> annoying
[05:18] <packman_e> i would have thought that it would be worse for root not to have a password
[05:18] <dr_willis> packman_e,  from a security point of view - you should NEVER login as root.   as a user that CAN do the sudo stuff.. do it that way
[05:18] <GammaRay> sockler: is ubuntu on a seperate hdd?
[05:18] <tga> I do sudo su or sudo -s
[05:18] <StoffBox-Steve> sockler, have you set the Grub Bootloader to the partition and not to the MBR ?
[05:19] <johnnybezak> packman_e: there is an faq on the website about this
[05:19] <BiteMeBill> You can always use the root terminal and not enter the password all the time.
[05:19] <tga> sudo is useful in an environment where you're keeping track of who's doing what
[05:19] <dr_willis> tga,  yea - theres that also :P
[05:20] <usual> night
[05:20] <usual> good luck Quarupt
[05:20] <packman_e> dr_willis, no, no i dont actually want to login as root, i just want to set the password so that i can set up stuff like networking
[05:21] <piratePenguin> what's the cool (easy to use) iptables script? I used it before, forgot the name
[05:21] <dr_willis> packman_e,  you can do all that with 'sudo'  once ya learn how :P
[05:21] <StoffBox-Steve> when it ask a root PW . than simple use your UserPW packman_e :D
[05:21] <BiteMeBill> packman_e: then password that you set during install is the password you use with sudo.
[05:21] <dr_willis> packman_e,  of course ya can alwyas do 'sudo passwd' and set the root users password and be done with it.
[05:21] <dr_willis> the inital users password is also the root/sudo password.
[05:22] <packman_e> hmmm. that has confused me.
[05:22] <packman_e> whay does the system do that?
[05:23] <dr_willis> packman_e,  how else wold you have it do that?
[05:23] <dr_willis> it asks for the main users password.. and sets that as the default sudo password also.. simple. :P
[05:23] <delltony> question what needs to be edited to change  your gobal font sizes in kde? i have 20/20 vision but this 5pt font is killing my eyes :(
[05:24] <drspin> what's a good id3 tag editor that will organize my folders????
[05:24] <hub> hi
[05:24] <uMkulu> hi, hub
[05:24] <hub> does ubuntu support booting with a AHA 2940-UW SCSI controller ?
[05:24] <Marble2> when I get rpms from rpmfind.net what version should I get them for
[05:25] <Marble2> if ubuntu isn't listed
[05:25] <dr_willis> Hmm
[05:25] <dr_willis> ubuntu uses rpms ? i dident think so
[05:25] <drspin> hub... I have that scsi controller on my other system
[05:25] <dr_willis> or am i confused here..
[05:25] <StoffBox-Steve> Marble2, ubuntu using Deb not rpm
[05:25] <drspin> dr_willis: it uses DEB as opposed to RPM
[05:25] <tga> Marble2: you generally don't get rpms for Ubuntu
[05:25] <hub> drspin: I either get /dev/sda2 not found or linuxrc crashing
[05:25] <Marble2> oh
[05:25] <Marble2> ok
[05:25] <drspin> hub -- did you install ubuntu from a SCSI cd drive??
[05:25] <hub> drspin: no
[05:25] <drspin> I had to or it wouldn't configure right...
[05:25] <dr_willis> drspin,  yea - heh heh - i thogh so.. :P  but i test out sooo many different disrtos..
[05:26] <hub> drspin: it is IDE
[05:26] <packman_e> dr_willis, just to let you guys know that i am a newbie, but i tried fedora and that one gets you to set a root passowrd at install as well as a user password and when you need to do admin tasks you type in 'su -' then the root password or when using a graphical tool it would ask you for a root password and you would type it in
[05:26] <StoffBox-Steve> when you need stuff simple try > apt-cache search Programm
[05:26] <hub> drspin: maybe I should try the SCSI burner instead
[05:26] <StoffBox-Steve> and than apt-get install Programm
[05:26] <drspin> hub: that's exactly what I did --
[05:26] <drspin> hub: :)
[05:26] <hub> if I can boot from it
[05:27] <dr_willis> packman_e,  the idea of 'su -' is condisdred a security  issue..  Yea i know its how allthe OTHER disrtos default to doing it.. but its still a issue.. and the ubuntu guys are very PARANOID about security.
[05:27] <packman_e> oh ok
[05:27] <sockler> Gamma: still with me?  no, ubuntu and windows XP is on the same hd
[05:27] <packman_e> sorry i did'nt know
[05:28] <sockler> the problem is that only windows boots, i want to be able to choose which one
[05:28] <dr_willis> actually most all the Disrots are begining to get more and more paranid about security.. which is good I guess. :P
[05:28] <GammaRay> sockler: where did you install the ubuntu bootloader(grub)?
[05:29] <sockler> where the first partition is
[05:29] <sockler> wherever that is
[05:29] <packman_e> dr_willis, if you don't mind, how is it a security issue using su - over sudo please?
[05:30] <virtuald> dr_willis: s/Disrots/OSes/
[05:30] <hayden> what would i have to install to be able to compile programs in c?
[05:30] <GammaRay> sockler: it should be installed on the MBR. that's what your bios loads
[05:31] <virtuald> hayden: build-essential
[05:31] <uMkulu> build-essential is a package alias for install all the tools needed to compile source on debian based systems
[05:31] <hayden> ok thanks
[05:31] <sockler> GammaRay: when i get to the MBR, i should have to choice which OS to boot from?
[05:31] <dr_willis> packman_e,  therea a faq on it i think at the ubuntu site. :P
[05:32] <dr_willis> you normally dont want a 'root' shell. where you could accidently type the wrong command it the basics I guess.
[05:32] <Quarupt> is there a way to put like a 10 second delay on an onjoin command in Xchat?
[05:32] <GammaRay> sockler: yes *if* you install the boot loader on the MBR, otherwise windows's bootloader is still there doing what it always did
[05:33] <hub> kernelpnaic in linuxrc at boot
[05:33] <hub> any idea ?
[05:33] <hub> shall I try a SuSE ?
[05:33] <hub> :-/
[05:34] <Quarupt> spound like HW probs to me
[05:34] <delltony> how do you change the gtk-theme please?
[05:34] <sockler> Gamma: well i installed ubuntu first, then XP second, so would the XP bootload overwrite GRUB??
[05:34] <dr_willis> yes sock it would.
[05:34] <virtuald> hub: what are the messages above "kernel panic"?
[05:35] <Quarupt> Hrm i guess not
[05:35] <Quarupt> Xchat is boring
[05:35] <Quarupt> i wanna new client
[05:35] <Quarupt> or to customize this one maybe ill go look at some scripts
[05:35] <dr_willis> Quarupt,  go get irssi :P
[05:35] <sockler> hmm so i guess i have to reinstall ubuntu...will GRUB overwrite the XP bootload?
[05:35] <hub> virtuald: I don't know because it display a stacktrace
[05:35] <virtuald> B] ] 
[05:35] <hub> virtuald: making eveything taking the screen
[05:35] <GammaRay> sockler: see this http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041203_15.html#4
[05:35] <hub> virtuald: but I think it is "loading Linux...."
[05:36] <hub> virtuald: it booted once and said it couldn't find /dev/sda2 (probably the swap)
[05:36] <virtuald> heh, well it's above my level
[05:36] <hub> virtuald: it is unusual
[05:36] <hub> it is a quite old machine, no fancy hardware
[05:36] <hub> and install goes smoothly with the boot CD-ROM
[05:36] <virtuald> M'Kay
[05:37] <sockler> Gamma: thank you very much, one last q: is my ubuntu root device a /?
[05:37] <hub> my is a 4.10 Install CD
[05:37] <virtuald> did you try with a 2.4 or 2.2 kernel? :)
[05:37] <dash> someone help me out here. is the next version after hoary going to be Grumpy Groundhog, or Bendy Badger? i have seen both on the wiki :)
[05:37] <virtuald> that might work better for old hardware
[05:37] <hub> virtuald: I didn't. I don't have the choice at boot time
[05:38] <dr_willis> dash,  I thinkits going to be Hammy Hampster
[05:38] <hub> virtuald: only 2.6
[05:38] <virtuald> ok
[05:38] <dash> dr_willis: I was hoping for Snarky Sandhog.
[05:38] <GammaRay> sockler: that depends on where it is on the ide cable, and which interface it's on
[05:38] <hayden> whats the difference of dir and ls
[05:38] <sockler> how would i determine that?
[05:38] <dr_willis> dash,  i dont even know what a SandHog is. :P and i watch ANimalPlanet all the time.
[05:38] <dash> hayden: dir just runs ls with different options
[05:38] <hayden> ok
[05:39] <GammaRay> sockler: /dev/hda is primary master, hdb pri. slave, hdc secondary master, hdd sec. slave
[05:39] <dash> dr_willis: http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/s/s0063800.html ;-)
[05:40] <hub> so I'm boned
[05:40] <jeavis> hello what patition software I can use from boot
[05:40] <sockler> Gamma: alright mine would be hda then.... thanks a whole lot
[05:40] <dr_willis>  A laborer who works inside a caisson  --- ok.. now whats a Caisson :P
[05:40] <GammaRay> sockler: you also need the partiton number...
[05:40] <dash> jeavis: the thingy on the install cd is probably your best bet
[05:40] <GammaRay> sockler: /dev/hda1 would be the first partition
[05:41] <jeavis> dash: I have problems with a machine, is so strange, I use my ubuntu cdrom
[05:41] <sockler> yeah i got that
[05:41] <sockler> thanks :-)
[05:41] <jeavis> dash: I need a partition program from boot
[05:42] <dash> jeavis: i don't understand what you mean "from boot", exactly. the install CD is bootable, and includes a partition program
[05:42] <blizah> whats the open source alternative to excel?
[05:42] <blizah> lotus?
[05:43] <farruinn> jeavis: if you're just installing ubuntu it will walk you through what you need to do
[05:43] <dash> blizah: openoffice calc probably
[05:43] <dash> it's what i use
[05:43] <blizah> what about autocad?
[05:43] <blizah> know of any?
[05:43] <dash> mmm, nope
[05:43] <farruinn> blizah: openoffice is most like excel, but there is also gnumeric if you wish
[05:44] <jba> how to install oofice2?
[05:44] <knucks> GUYS
[05:44] <jeavis> farruin: I need a software that partition from boot
[05:44] <knucks> i need serious help
[05:44] <StoffBox-Steve> openoffice 2 per apt-get done ?
[05:44] <farruinn> jeavis: "from boot" as in the install CD, LiveCD, or harddrive?
[05:45] <knucks> who can PM me and can help me with all my problems?
[05:45] <dash> knucks: for how much money?-)
[05:45] <farruinn> knucks: that's not the best way to get help
[05:45] <knucks> lol
[05:45] <knucks> ok well i need some help then
[05:45] <farruinn> knucks: just ask your questions here, if people know the answers they will help
[05:45] <LinuxJones> knucks, rolf
[05:45] <tuxJr_14> jba: apt-get install openoffice
[05:45] <knucks> all right
[05:45] <knucks> well i tried getting mp3 support on my copy of ubuntu
[05:45] <knucks> to no avail
[05:46] <knucks> rhythmbox freezes when i try to play an mp3
[05:46] <scorpix> jba: apt-get install openoffice.org2
[05:46] <knucks> and then i tried installing xmms (which i think I did) but i dont know how to launch it
[05:46] <tga> gah ooffice2 is fugly
[05:46] <jeavis> farruinn: yes as install cd
[05:46] <tga> scorpix: not yet, openoffice 1 is still nicer
[05:46] <blizah> i just installed ubuntu yesterday, is ati catalyst for linux easy to install?
[05:47] <kingsley_> Is there an application which renders 3d text like gltext, but which also allows you to choose the text's orientation and font/
[05:47] <knucks> so my question is, how do i launch xmms and put it on my panel?
[05:47] <farruinn> jeavis: the installer uses parted
[05:47] <dash> knucks: are you using hoary?
[05:47] <knucks> i dont know?
[05:47] <dash> wait never mind
[05:47] <knucks> how do i check
[05:47] <knucks> im new to the whole linux thing all together
[05:47] <dash> okay, if you were you'd know :)
[05:47] <dash> no big deal
[05:48] <sockler> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041203_15.html#4 ... what does /target stand for??
[05:48] <tga> blizah: apt-cache search fglrx
[05:48] <blizah> k
[05:48] <LinuxJones> ubuntu-artwork package is broken ??
[05:48] <knucks> so can you help me then?
[05:48] <StoffBox-Steve> apt-get install openoffice.org2 << update OF1.3 or is it a new install ?
[05:49] <tga> openoffice.org2 is fugly and it's still in beta, use ooffice 1
[05:49] <dash> knucks: for the first test, the easiest thing to do is just to hit 'Run' on the applications menu
[05:49] <tuxJr_14> hey, why dont we make a qt/xdialog/xmessege/gtk based installer for ubuntu?
[05:49] <dash> knucks: and type in xmms
[05:49] <speel> i think all software ( not security updates ) updates are on freeze or somthing
[05:49] <blizah> tga are the three fglrx the things i install for a radeon 9800 pro?...and do i still download ati's catalyst?
[05:49] <tga> tuxJr_14: you go ahead and write one
[05:49] <scorpix> StoffBox-Steve: it'll install OOo2 without removing OOo1
[05:49] <tuxJr_14> it wont be tough.
[05:49] <tuxJr_14> but will be heavy
[05:49] <dash> tga: it's only fugly if you don't have the gtk integration :)
[05:50] <farruinn> tuxJr_14: the installer is text based to save room on the disc
[05:50] <StoffBox-Steve> thx scorpix :) thats the info i want
[05:50] <farruinn> at least to my knowledge
[05:50] <knucks> dash: nope nothing
[05:50] <tga> blizah: as far as I know you only get the fglrx kernel module and driver.. it should just work
[05:50] <StoffBox-Steve> sure tga whats why i ask :)
[05:50] <tga> dash: I got the -gnome package but I'm not sure what to do with it.. I'm getting the win32 look with the crappy icons
[05:50] <dash> knucks: Hmm. Not even an error message? Interesting
[05:50] <dash> tga: yeah, i got that originally
[05:50] <knucks> it seems like it does something but nothing launches
[05:50] <tuxJr_14> knuck: are you using the downloaded iso or the shipped cd?
[05:51] <knucks> shipped cd..but it updated a whole lot once i installed
[05:51] <tga> dash: so what did you do to it?
[05:51] <blizah> tga, fglrx-control, fglrx-driver, and fglrx-driver-dev are what popuped up when i searched under syanptic
[05:51] <blizah> install all three?
[05:51] <dash> tga: it got fixed when i installed -gnome
[05:51] <tga> blizah: I think you need the fglrx-driver and the linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[05:51] <dash> knucks: Truly odd
[05:51] <dash> knucks: do other sounds play?
[05:51] <knucks> um
[05:51] <knucks> i dont think so
[05:51] <tuxJr_14> farruinn, that's what
[05:52] <knucks> where can i check
[05:52] <dash> knucks: Do you get sounds when you login?
[05:52] <knucks> no i dont believe so
[05:52] <tga> blizah: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:52] <tuxJr_14> tga, i'm already working on one. i'm still planning on how to go about it and which widget to use.
[05:52] <dash> knucks: okay, then mp3s are not your main problem, i bet
[05:52] <knucks> let me try tho
[05:52] <hayden> how do i compile a c program?
[05:52] <knucks> i still cant get xmms working
[05:52] <tga> tuxJr_14: use Athena.. they're great!
[05:52] <dash> hayden: one you wrote?
[05:52] <speel> hayden: gcc program.c -o programname
[05:52] <knucks> and rhythmbox doesnt play anything...
[05:52] <knucks> so i dont want to use it
[05:52] <knucks> i want to get rid of rhythbox and use xmms
[05:53] <blizah> tga, k tnx
[05:53] <hayden> yea
[05:53] <dash> knucks: well, it looks like this isn't a rhythmbox problem
[05:53] <hayden> ok
[05:53] <knucks> ok
[05:53] <tuxJr_14> tga: i dont know athena. who is she? ;-)
[05:53] <karsten> Anyone got a package count for Warty?
[05:53] <tga> imho Ubuntu should reuse the SuSE installer, if it's GPLd
[05:53] <speel> package count?
[05:53] <tga> tuxJr_14: Athena is a really nice and portable widget set
[05:53] <dash> tga: bwahahaha
[05:53] <keez> someone help-me please
[05:53] <tuxJr_14> tga, it is. it's already being used by SCO also.
[05:54] <keez> i need help wiht ubuntu
[05:54] <karsten> keez: ask.
[05:54] <dash> tuxJr_14: what! motif is _clearly_ superior
[05:54] <tuxJr_14> tga: is it easy to learn?
[05:54] <farruinn> wouldn't a graphical installer require an X server?
[05:54] <keez> i need to configurate a dsl conection in my ubuntu
[05:54] <dash> farruinn: No.
[05:54] <knucks> dash: what should i do?
[05:54] <dash> knucks: Hmm
[05:54] <tuxJr_14> farruinn, that's a yes and a no
[05:55] <tga> tuxJr_14: yeah, this will be great.. the only installer using Athena that I know of is the old Solaris one
[05:55] <karsten> keez: You got a DSL modem or router?
[05:55] <farruinn> tuxJr_14, dash: heh, ok I'm too tired to ask more about that =)
[05:55] <keez> dsl modem
[05:55] <uMkulu> dsl modem is connected to my machine via cat cable and not USB correct?
[05:55] <tga> tuxJr_14: it's professional stuff
[05:55] <karsten> keez: It provides DHCP?
[05:55] <knucks> and permissions give me a headache..but dont get me started on that
[05:55] <keez> i think yes
[05:55] <tuxJr_14> tga: can you elaborate?
[05:55] <knucks> i at least want to get something accomplished tonight..
[05:56] <tuxJr_14> farruinn, we can also use ggi or fbdev
[05:56] <tga> tuxJr_14: I'd rather not
[05:56] <karsten> keez: Control Panel.  Network config.  Set up a DHCP connection for your ethernet card.
[05:56] <farruinn> knucks: permissions protect you from yourself
[05:56] <knucks> lol
[05:56] <keez> only this?
[05:56] <dash> knucks: okay so!
[05:56] <knucks> I'm all ears
[05:56] <keez> i think yes
[05:56] <karsten> knucks: Don't laugh, he's not kidding.
[05:56] <dash> knucks: go to file manager (look in applications -> system tools)
[05:56] <tga> I don't think there's anything in the world to protect knucks from himself
[05:56] <karsten> Could someone provide me a package count for Warty?
[05:56] <dash> knucks: and go to /usr/share/sounds
[05:57] <speel> karsten: lol alot?
[05:57] <dash> farruinn: there's a version of gtk that runs in the framebuffer
[05:57] <knucks> dash: um..i dont see it?
[05:57] <tga> karsten: # apt-cache search " " |wc -l
[05:57] <tga> 16021
[05:57] <dash> knucks: sorry, File Browser
[05:57] <keez> karsten, its a speedstream 5200, do you know?
[05:57] <tga> karsten: this is Hoary though
[05:57] <dash> knucks: and type /usr/share/sounds in the location box
[05:57] <farruinn> dash: ah, I see
[05:57] <blizah> sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.           my question is which matches my kernal
[05:58] <tuxJr_14> is there any ggi based xdialog kinda stuff available in ubuntu repository
[05:58] <karsten> speel: grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages | wc -l
[05:58] <blizah> im a big n00b
[05:58] <tga> blizah: you mean linux-image-686
[05:58] <knucks> dash: thats not there as well
[05:58] <karsten> tga: I'm not on a ubuntu box
[05:58] <hayden> what packages do i need to install for compiling c programs
[05:58] <tga> karsten: I just gave you a rough estimate of Hoary
[05:58] <karsten> tga: Woah.  That's more than I'd've thought.
[05:58] <dash> knucks: Ah, drat, i'm using a different version of ubuntu from you. sorry
[05:58] <karsten> tga: You got Universe or whatever it is in there?
[05:59] <speel> apt-get install build-essential* or just get the gcc compiler
[05:59] <knucks> ok hold on let me go to that folder tho
[05:59] <karsten> keez: Shouldn't really matter.
[05:59] <Marble2> Okay, can someone help me out? I've had this problem for a while and no one has been able to help me :(. I don't have any sound in vlc under linx. I get these errors when I open a video file
[05:59] <blizah> tga, thats just what that web site says...how do i know which matches my kernal
[05:59] <tga> karsten: that's the problem, it depends on what sources you use
[05:59] <Marble2> [00000217]  mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:192
[05:59] <knucks> usr/share/sounds u said?
[05:59] <tga> blizah: what are you trying to do again?
[05:59] <Marble2>  [00000219]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp/)
[05:59] <karsten> tga: Yeah.  Stock sources.
[05:59] <keez> oh god
[05:59] <blizah> tga ati drivers
[05:59] <Marble2> I googled for the oss error (which seems to be the root of the problem) and basically what I got was people saying "I reverted to 0.7 or I updated my distro and it worked" or other ranom things
[05:59] <dash> knucks: OK cool
[05:59] <farruinn> Marble2: vlc is trying to use the sound device directly, you need to configure it to use esd or kill esd
[05:59] <tga> blizah: uname -a to get your kernel version
[05:59] <karsten> tga: the case I'm trying to make is that Debian's got ~17.5k packages, Ubuntu slims that down a lot.
[05:59] <knucks> ok im in it
[05:59] <farruinn> Marble2: at least that's my guess
[05:59] <tga> blizah: uname -r really, but -a looks better
[06:00] <keez> i thin i never use ubuntu linux whith my dsl connection
[06:00] <blizah> tga hehe
[06:00] <Marble2> I tried killing esd earlier and that didn't work
[06:00] <Marble2> someone told me to do that
[06:00] <tga> karsten: maybe they can't/won't maintain all of the debian packages
[06:00] <Marble2> what exactly does esd do
[06:00] <keez> this is a sh****
[06:00] <Marble2> and how would I try to configure it to use esd?
[06:00] <dash> Marble2: i usually do "esdctl off"
[06:00] <dash> and then "esdctl on" when done
[06:00] <farruinn> Marble2: esd = enlightenment sound daemon, allows multiple applications to use the sound device
[06:01] <farruinn> at least that's my understanding
[06:01] <knucks> dash: i can play the .wav files
[06:01] <dash> knucks: well, okay
[06:01] <Marble2> ok
[06:01] <dash> that's a first step
[06:01] <karsten> tga: http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Mar-2005/msg00010.html
[06:01] <tga> the Ubuntu drums gave me quite a scare earlier.. I had my speakers turned up when I logged in
[06:01] <Marble2> dash: what does that do?
[06:02] <karsten> tga: Crack-smoking fiend an a bender.  Makes a semi-sound claim that there's too much stuff in Linux.
[06:02] <keez> im from brazil
[06:02] <knucks> so how do i get xmms to work
[06:02] <dash> karsten: ha ha "educators"
[06:02] <keez> im not undertanding very well what you say
[06:02] <tga> karsten: there _is_ too much stuff in most distros
[06:02] <dash> knucks: well first, what comes up when you double click on a wav file? totem?
[06:02] <keez> my english is poor
[06:03] <farruinn> knucks: probably an esd thing again - in preferences make sure the output plugin is eSound
[06:03] <tga> karsten: in most default installs I should say
[06:03] <knucks> if thats the movie player, then yes
[06:03] <karsten> dash: I'm not proud of it, but here's my first response to his stuff: http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Mar-2005/msg00008.html
[06:03] <dash> knucks: OK right
[06:03] <karsten> dash: I'm starting to realize I'm never going to get this hour of my life back....
[06:03] <karsten> tga: Not the way *I* install Debian there's not ;-)
[06:03] <dash> knucks: so i'd try dragging an mp3 file onto that and seeing if it will play it
[06:03] <farruinn> knucks: you'll have to install a plugin to play mp3's with xmms I believe
[06:03] <knucks> hm ok..
[06:04] <dash> karsten: yes, 5 years of irc has taught me "always avoid arguments with timewasting morons"
[06:04] <knucks> farruinn: i cant even start xmms
[06:04] <tga> karsten: that doesn't give you a customized desktop either
[06:04] <knucks> as it didnt come w/ ubuntu, i had to download it..
[06:04] <farruinn> knucks: with apt-get or synaptic?
[06:04] <knucks> and i installed it but it wont start
[06:04] <karsten> tga: The hell it doesn't.  I've got my very own tuned, customized console.
[06:04] <knucks> um
[06:04] <knucks> aptget
[06:04] <karsten> tga: It's got screen, vim, and w3m, just like it should ;-)
[06:05] <tga> good luck browsing with w3m in the console.. I'll let you know when the 80s are over
[06:05] <karsten> dash: My objective is to do a moderately convincing job of demonstrating that he's utterly loony.  Hopefully to forget about it evermore.
[06:06] <tga> happy flaming folks
[06:06] <karsten> tga: Works amazingly well, actually.  Mind, once I've fleshed stuff out, wmaker goes on.
[06:06] <Xenguy> tga: w3m actually does graphics, if you want -- it's a bit of fun :-)
[06:06] <knucks> so can someone help me get xmms working?
[06:06] <karsten> Xenguy: Truth.  So does links ;-)
[06:06] <jah_> Hello all
[06:06] <dash> karsten: it's a lost cause, the incentive structure in american gov't education is totally backwards
[06:06] <jah_> I cannot get X to load. I have tried: xf86config pkgreconfigure xserver-xfree86 (sp?) xfree86 -configure modprobe nvidia
[06:06] <karsten> dash: There's islands of hope.  I'm working with a school ATM has a lab set up with six, soon to be seven, Linux  boxes.
[06:07] <Xenguy> karsten: I run wmaker also - that's 2 things we agree on :-)
[06:07] <farruinn> knucks: it should be in the multimedia menu or whatever
[06:07] <dash> knucks: anyhow, does totem play mp3s?
[06:07] <jah_> When i try to startx it says "(EE) No devices Found" Followed by "no screen found"
[06:07] <jah_>  And X server fails to load.
[06:07] <dash> jah_: what video hardware?
[06:07] <knucks> dash: yes
[06:07] <farruinn> knucks: if not hit alt+F2 and type xmms
[06:07] <jah_> GeForce 6800gt
[06:07] <dash> knucks: Okay cool! that's a first step
[06:07] <karsten> dash: Mixed distros -- MDK, RH, SuSE, Deb, Ubuntu.  And the facilitator's gung ho to try LTSP
[06:07] <karsten> Xenguy: Dig.
[06:07] <jah_> Mandrake (Xfree?) and Slackware (Xorg) both work fine :(
[06:08] <knucks> so i have the mp3 plugin on my kernel..
[06:08] <knucks> now to get the actual xmms working
[06:08] <knucks> i cant even start it
[06:09] <hitriko-sama> can i install ubnutu without burning the iso to cd
[06:09] <dash> knucks: well, mp3 isn't in your kernel :) totem uses a media framework called gstreamer, and its mp3 support appears to work
[06:09] <knucks> bah
[06:09] <knucks> ok..well
[06:09] <dash> knucks: anyway i would try opening a terminal and starting xmms from inside it
[06:09] <knucks> dash: i did apt-get xmms and it told me its already installed
[06:09] <dash> just to see if it prints anything amazing
[06:09] <knucks> so i know i have it..
[06:09] <karsten> Hrm.  Looks like Ubuntu includes "essentially all of the packages available in the Debian repositories".  But the installer has a pre-tuned subset?
[06:10] <hitriko-sama> ...? can i install ubuntu without having a cd? like install it off of my computer?
[06:10] <jah_> dash, any ideas?
[06:10] <knucks> dash: how do i open xmms from the terminal?
[06:10] <hitriko-sama> .............
[06:10] <Xenguy> knucks: type -> xmms   ?
[06:10] <knucks> ok did that
[06:10] <knucks> this is what i get:
[06:11] <dash> knucks: type 'xmms'
[06:11] <knucks> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[06:11] <knucks> and theit goes on to say more..
[06:11] <dash> knucks: http://rafb.net/paste
[06:12] <Xenguy> knucks: what output does this give -> dpkg -l libmikmod2
[06:12] <Xenguy> ?
[06:12] <knucks> dpkg: unknown option -1
[06:13] <Xenguy> knucks: 'ell', not 'one' :-)
[06:13] <hitriko-sama> can i install ubnutu without burning the iso to cd
[06:13] <knucks> oh hah
[06:13] <knucks> um
[06:13] <knucks> desired=unknown/install/remove/purge/hold
[06:13] <SiRrUs> good evening
[06:13] <knucks> status=not/installed/config-files/unpacked
[06:13] <duncanm> i want to use Sound Juicer, but it doesn't make mp3s
[06:14] <knucks> oh /failed-config/Half-installed
[06:14] <duncanm> is there anything i can do about that?
[06:14] <jah_> ok no1 can help here either? :/
[06:14] <Marble2> by default, where is my sound card located
[06:14] <jah_>  /dev/dsp
[06:15] <dash> knucks: the first two letters of the last line are the important part
[06:15] <knucks> http://rafb.net/paste/results/sK9kRW13.html
[06:15] <dash> knucks: it probably either says 'pn' or 'ii'
[06:15] <andy__> say i have button one, button two, and button three (no scroll wheel).  how would i go about writing a config entry (or something) to scroll whenever i hold down button 3, and move the mouse up or down?
[06:15] <Xenguy> knucks: apt-get install libmikmod2
[06:16] <knucks> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:16] <knucks> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[06:16] <Xenguy> knucks: sudo
[06:16] <packman_e> hello all
[06:16] <knucks> ugh i knew that..
[06:16] <Xenguy> knucks: sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
[06:16] <knucks> ok
[06:16] <knucks> did that
[06:17] <knucks> xmms loaded
[06:17] <knucks> now how do i put it in my panel?
[06:17] <packman_e> just figured out why the ubuntu website took ages to load
[06:17] <packman_e> my bastard internet reset itself
[06:18] <packman_e> i started to wonder when i was the only one in the room talking to myself for 10 minutes
[06:18] <blizah> ive installed the ati control pannel to use for dual monitors but where is the file to run it?
[06:18] <Marble2> how can I configure esd?
[06:19] <Quarupt> well i spent all that time getting gaim-vv to work and now i lost the ability to send files via msn
[06:19] <blizah> ive done a whereis and it said was in /user/share/fglxr but theres only a file called diversions in there with one file
[06:19] <knucks> ok
[06:19] <knucks> yaya
[06:19] <knucks> xmms works
[06:19] <knucks> now how do i throw it up in the panel?
[06:19] <Errejo> knucks, create a launcher
[06:19] <knucks> how
[06:19] <dash> knucks: well
[06:20] <dash> knucks: is it not on the Sound & Video menu?
[06:20] <knucks> nope
[06:20] <SiRrUs> have you logged out and back in
[06:20] <dash> you shouldn't have to
[06:20] <SiRrUs> yep at times you do
[06:21] <knucks> ill try it later
[06:21] <Marble2> does anyone have the homepage for esd? I can't find it in google
[06:21] <knucks> can you guys please help me real quick w/ firefox?
[06:21] <blizah> nevermind i found it
[06:21] <Xenguy> knucks: ambitious, aren't we? :-)
[06:21] <knucks> very
[06:21] <Xenguy> hehe
[06:21] <dash> knucks: anyway, to add a launcher just right click on the panel and click "add to panel"
[06:21] <knucks> ahh ok
[06:22] <knucks> ill try that tomorrow
[06:22] <SiRrUs> Marble2 type esd in your browser it should show you the home page
[06:22] <knucks> i want to get firefox working so i can sleep well
[06:22] <Xenguy> knucks: does FF not "just work" ?
[06:22] <knucks> i have firefox .9 right now..and i download 1.0
[06:22] <knucks> how do i "upgrade"
[06:23] <Marble2> electrostatic discharge association?
[06:23] <Xenguy> knucks: what command did you use to "download 1.0" ?
[06:23] <knucks> i got it off mozilla.org
[06:23] <SiRrUs> isnt there more to choose from Marble2
[06:23] <Xenguy> knucks: you should use 'apt-get'
[06:23] <StoffBox-Steve> Xenguy, downlaod it over the website
[06:23] <ljlane> Marble2, it's easy to find as "esound", but Eric hasn't touched it in years. I think the GNOME folks are updating it these days.
[06:23] <knucks> what do i type in to get it by aptget?
[06:23] <Xenguy> knucks: apt-get update ; apt-get install <packagename>
[06:24] <Xenguy> knucks: er, prepend 'sudo' to that
[06:24] <knucks> yeh..
[06:24] <knucks> so
[06:24] <knucks> sudo apt-get firefox-1.0.1 ?
[06:24] <Marble2> ljlane: are there any viable alternatives other than esd?
[06:24] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, unpack the it, than install the where you what and set it up as the standart browser
[06:24] <Xenguy> knucks: do -> dpkg -l *firefox*
[06:24] <Xenguy> knucks: that should tell you the package to apt-get
[06:24] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, unpack it, than install it where you what,  than set it up as the standart browser  << look better ..
[06:24] <Quarupt> anyone have a webcam, i wanna test this gaim-vv see if it was worth all the rouble
[06:24] <dash> mmpht
[06:25] <dash> Xenguy: aptitude is more fun
[06:25] <ljlane> Marble2: alsa with the dmix plug-in is nice
[06:25] <Xenguy> dash: for you perhaps ;-)
[06:25] <StoffBox-Steve> Quarupt, gaim-vv .. get it over apt ? ...
[06:25] <knucks> knucks@knucks:~ $ dpkg -l *firefox*
[06:25] <knucks> No packages found matching firefox-1.0.1.installer.tar.gz.
[06:25] <dash> yeah, not so good of an idea
[06:25] <Errejo> this is pretty nice for newbies btw : http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:25] <dash> knucks: the package name is mozilla-firefox
[06:25] <packman_e> can anyone reccomend a good linux tutorial or linux book please
[06:25] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, you run warty or hoary ?
[06:25] <Xenguy> knucks: change to a different directory, then re-run the 'dpkg' command
[06:25] <uMkulu> Xenguy: that doesn't look right
[06:26] <knucks> hell if i know
[06:26] <Xenguy> uMkulu: ?
[06:26] <uMkulu> i don't know, xenguy
[06:26] <dash> knucks: if you installed it off a CD and have not edited /etc/apt/sources.list, it is warty :)
[06:26] <Xenguy> uMkulu: bot?
[06:26] <uMkulu> it has been said that bot is refusing to co-operate
[06:26] <dash> Xenguy: no
[06:26] <dash> Xenguy: * doesn't work like you think it does
[06:26] <knucks> knucks@knucks:/ $ dpkg -l *firefox*
[06:26] <knucks> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[06:26] <knucks> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[06:26] <knucks> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[06:26] <Xenguy> dash: sigh
[06:26] <knucks> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[06:26] <knucks> +++-[06:26] <knucks> ii  mozilla-firefo 0.99+1.0PR.1+r lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[06:27] <dash> knucks: well there you go, it's already installed
[06:27] <Xenguy> knucks: apt-get update ; apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:27] <Xenguy> dash: he wants to upgrade
[06:28] <StoffBox-Steve> Xenguy, when he run warty, the last version of firefox for him is 0.9.3 .. 1.0.1 is not for warty ( wasnt for a few days :D )
[06:28] <Xenguy> knucks: er, sudo etc. etc.
[06:28] <dash> Xenguy: yeah but he's running warty, and AFAICT that's the latest
[06:28] <Xenguy> StoffBox-Steve: ahh, OK (I'm not actually on an Ubu box right ATM :-)
[06:28] <knucks> this is all great and all, but what do i do?
[06:28] <Xenguy> dash: nod
[06:28] <knucks> lol
[06:29] <Xenguy> knucks: hey, my main box is debian -- what can I do ;-)
[06:29] <Quarupt> anyone know what port(s) the remote desktop app in hoary uses? theres no way to change it so i just wanna know what the default is?
[06:29] <knucks> so how do i upgrade to 1.0.1
[06:29] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, just unpack it than go to the floder ( per console ) and > sh firefox.bin ( think ) what i look
[06:29] <Xenguy> knucks: StoffBox-Steve is suggesting wait for a few days for the package to come down the pipe :-)
[06:29] <knucks> lol
[06:30] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, you cant upgrade firefox to 1.0.1 on warty over apt-get .. but wait :D
[06:30] <Xenguy> knucks: or you could *gasp* upgrade to hoary (and risk breaking all kinds of things -- fun, fun ;-)
[06:31] <knucks> yeh i got the gz file
[06:31] <knucks> i extracted it
[06:31] <Quarupt> anyone?
[06:31] <Quarupt> anyone?
[06:31] <Quarupt> anyone know what port(s) the remote desktop app in hoary uses? theres no way to change it so i just wanna know what the default is?
[06:31] <StoffBox-Steve> well a real hell, upgrade the frist time kill my whole system .. set up new and upgrade it again .. work *puhh* i was so happy :D
[06:31] <Quarupt> oops sorry didnt mean to repeat
[06:31] <knucks> gn
[06:31] <knucks> hm
[06:31] <knucks> i guess ill wait then
[06:31] <Quarupt> usual your not here anymore are ya
[06:31] <Xenguy> knucks: it can get messy to mix compiling programs by hand, with apt-get's package system -- I don't recommend it (you don't need the latest FF that bad)
[06:32] <knucks> ok quick question then..
[06:32] <knucks> i got a partition thats still ntfs (has all my movies and mp3s)
[06:32] <knucks> how can i access it?
[06:32] <Errejo> Quarupt, my guess is 5900
[06:32] <Quarupt> okay, how can i be sure?
[06:32] <StoffBox-Steve> knucks, you get the installer of firefox or the normal package ?
[06:32] <dash> knucks: Hmm. well, it'll be read-only access, for one thing
[06:33] <StoffBox-Steve> whats the name of the file you downloaded ?
[06:33] <Errejo> Quarupt, read the manual :)
[06:33] <Quarupt> is there a script or GUI to configure VNC?
[06:33] <Xenguy> knucks: good question - linux is mostly NTFS read-only ATM -- I'd be tempted to consider converting to vfat, but if you try that, back up everything first ;-)
[06:33] <knucks> firefox-installer1.0.1.tar.gz
[06:33] <StoffBox-Steve> ok :D
[06:33] <dash> knucks: Crud. I know how to do this from the command line and by editing config files, but not from the gnome tools :)
[06:33] <StoffBox-Steve> just wait i sec i downlaod it ... :D
[06:34] <knucks> Xenguy: whats the best way to transfer files from the ntfs to a linux partition and then delete the ntfs one and make it a linux one?
[06:34] <StoffBox-Steve> ok knucks , unpack the file
[06:34] <knucks> k done..
[06:34] <knucks> its in /home/firefox-installer..
[06:35] <StoffBox-Steve> ok browse to /home/firefox-installer/
[06:35] <Xenguy> knucks: I haven't tried messing with NTFS -- see if you can mount NTFS and use 'cp' to transfer a file  ?
[06:35] <Errejo> knucks, cd to dir, and go ./INSTALL
[06:35] <Xenguy> knucks: from NTFS to linux partition
[06:35] <knucks> StoffBox-Steve: ok done that..
[06:35] <StoffBox-Steve> simple > sh firefox-installer  Errejo :D FF have a install-gui
[06:36] <Felo> Need assistance in configuring wireless conection..
[06:36] <knucks> sh?
[06:36] <StoffBox-Steve> ok in a console i hope knucks ;D
[06:36] <knucks> yeahh
[06:36] <Errejo> hehe
[06:36] <StoffBox-Steve> ok dann > sh firefox-installer
[06:36] <StoffBox-Steve> dann / than
[06:36] <knucks> ok..
[06:36] <knucks> what folder should i install it in
[06:37] <StoffBox-Steve> now a easy to use WindowsLike installer comes up :D
[06:37] <Felo> Help!
[06:37] <StoffBox-Steve> there you what knucks . i have a extra floder for software calles _programms in my homedir
[06:37] <knucks> o
[06:37] <knucks> i cant seem to install it in /usr/bin/
[06:37] <knucks> wont let me
[06:38] <blizah> how do i make the app that lets you browse your hard drive not open a new window and leave the the old one each time you go from folder to folder?
[06:38] <_dev_> anyone know how or where I can get larger pointers?
[06:38] <StoffBox-Steve> when you whant that knucks ... cannel the installer and do > sudo sh firefox-installer
[06:38] <_dev_> I wanna make my pointer bigger
[06:38] <Felo> Need to configure wireless device...
[06:38] <knucks> im confused steve
[06:39] <Felo> Wireless USB conection
[06:39] <dash> _dev_: i keep getting spam about that
[06:39] <StoffBox-Steve> /usr/bin can only be access as ROOT user knucks, when you use sudo you make thinks as ROOTUSER
[06:39] <dash> erf
[06:40] <_dev_> haha was that a joke
[06:40] <knucks> i already made a Programs folder in my home directory..
[06:40] <dash> installing things as root yourself is sadness
[06:40] <dash> knucks: yeah, don't put it in /usr/bin
[06:40] <StoffBox-Steve> that installed it to that folder :D
[06:40] <StoffBox-Steve> than
[06:40] <knucks> i installed firefox into /home/knucks
[06:40] <knucks> so how do i make it default and get rid of .9 now
[06:40] <StoffBox-Steve> ok than you have a new folder called > firefox in it :D
[06:41] <blizah> anyone know?...ive looked in preferances and cant see anything to do this option
[06:41] <dash> knucks: that's hard
[06:41] <dash> knucks: the easy way to do that is upgrade to hoary, unfortunately.
[06:41] <StoffBox-Steve> type > gnome-default-applications-properties in the consoel a gui come up where you can set the standart programms
[06:43] <knucks> ok i guess im done for tonight
[06:43] <StoffBox-Steve> on the web browser tab  check custom and type in somethink like that > home/steve/_programme/firefox/firefox %s  the %s is a wildcard for the websiteaddress :D
[06:43] <knucks> thanks for all your help
[06:43] <Errejo> blizah, view - preferences I guess
[06:43] <lukewarm> first boot into hoary   =)
[06:43] <blizah> ive been in edit-preferances
[06:43] <blizah> cant see the option anywehre
[06:43] <knucks> zzz guys
[06:43] <Tjdw> does hoary have good mono/gtk# support?
[06:43] <imaek> Hello. Does anyone here know how to use 'mencoder'?
[06:44] <Marble2> Is there any way for me to setup hotkeys in XMMS?
[06:44] <Errejo> blizah, behaviour - always open in browser windows works kinda like that
[06:44] <Xenguy> knucks: yw
[06:45] <imaek> Does anyone here know how I can convert some .WMA songs to .MP3 (possibly using mencoder)?
[06:45] <blizah> ah i guess that works
[06:45] <blizah> do you guys have it where it keeps the last window?
[06:45] <blizah> gets annoying :D
[06:46] <blizah> errejo also, this is kind of obscure, but is there any way to change the default size?
[06:48] <blizah> someobody needs to make file viewing auto size the filename, size, type so it fits readable as best it can
[06:49] <neom> Does anyone know how to view all the current mounts?
[06:49] <dash> neom: 'mount' will tell you
[06:50] <unamaus> hello alll
[06:50] <unamaus> does anyone know how to setup dual monitors? i use a radeon
[06:50] <dash> i would like to know that too!
[06:51] <unamaus> i also need to know how to get my scsi drives to show (only the primary shows)
[06:52] <Tjdw> unamaus, dash: do you have video cards with dual monitor ports?
[06:52] <unamaus> yeah
[06:52] <unamaus> ati radeon 9800
[06:52] <unamaus> pro
[06:52] <Tjdw> If so, I think the drivers should recognize the combined monitors as one, and allow you to use some resolution that is double-width, etc.
[06:53] <Tjdw> and the card should translate
[06:53] <stuNNed> anyone else having troubles with slowness and hoary i've put up some packages to temporarily fix: http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/xorg_downgrade/
[06:53] <dash> Tjdw: yeah, but you gotta smack xorg.conf a bit to make it work, last i checked
[06:53] <Tjdw> okay
[06:53] <Quarupt> does ubuntu come with and burning software? like K3b or Xcdroast?
[06:53] <imaek> Does anyone here know how I can convert some .WMA songs to .MP3 (possibly using mencoder)?
[06:53] <dash> Quarupt: yes, k3b.
[06:53] <Quarupt> cool
[06:53] <Quarupt> i didnt see it in any menus
[06:53] <imaek> (21:53:09) SoccerIsTheBest: narutos gay :@
[06:53] <imaek> (21:53:12) SoccerIsTheBest: i saw 3 epsiodes
[06:53] <imaek> (21:53:15) SoccerIsTheBest: and than i waas like
[06:53] <imaek> (21:53:16) SoccerIsTheBest: dbzs better
[06:54] <Quarupt> must have to use a console
[06:54] <unamaus> the driver is an rpm
[06:54] <imaek> ......
[06:54] <imaek> whoops.
[06:54] <Tjdw> dash: I've not had to edit xorg.conf ever, so sorry.
[06:54] <unamaus> i'm new to ubuntu so i'm very unfamiliar with getting the ati linux driver installed
[06:55] <Quarupt> dash,  I had to apt-get install it
[06:55] <unamaus> i wish there was something in the apt-get
[06:55] <dash> Tjdw: Yeah, i've had to because of running kernels that don't support AGP. It's not exciting :)
[06:55] <dash> Quarupt: yes
[06:55] <neom> I'm getting some messed up mount errors.
[06:55] <dash> unamaus: there is! but
[06:55] <dash> unamaus: you have to add the multiverse repo to your apt config
[06:55] <dash> unamaus: do you use synaptic?
[06:56] <unamaus> yep
[06:56] <blizah> anyway to make the gdesklet rss-grab bigger in height so i can see more articles?
[06:56] <unamaus> what would i be looking for?
[06:56] <dash> unamaus: click on settings -> repositories
[06:56] <unamaus> ok
[06:57] <monoxide> has anyone ever had troubles by just updateing a few packages instead of all the packages?
[06:57] <dash> then click add
[06:57] <unamaus> ok
[06:57] <dash> monoxide: that's never a problem, it will automatically pull the ones it needs
[06:57] <neom> Anyone have any suggestions on this error?
[06:57] <neom> 7347: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - 71
[06:57] <neom> SMB connection failed
[06:57] <dash> unamaus: check Universe and Multiverse
[06:57] <monoxide> well HAL has killed itself, and bash says "I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $" as the prompt
[06:58] <dash> unamaus: making sure you pick the version you're using (hoary or warty)
[06:58] <dash> unamaus: close that, then update
[06:58] <unamaus> my repositories has only "new" when i list sections it shows contrib, multiverse, univers
[06:59] <dash> unamaus: OK
[06:59] <unamaus> what am i looking for?
[06:59] <unamaus> xfree86?
[06:59] <dash> unamaus: linux-restricted-modules
[07:00] <unamaus> ah Base Systems
[07:00] <monoxide> plus gedit is VERY slow and so is nautilus
[07:00] <monoxide> and i updated all of those last night, and i have only had problems since last night
[07:00] <monoxide> except bash
[07:01] <kamarudin> hello all, how can i total remove prism54 module from my system
[07:01] <chz> hello
[07:01] <unamaus> hmm should i upgrade to linux-686?
[07:01] <unamaus> SMP
[07:01] <unamaus> chat my machine is a xeon
[07:01] <unamaus> oop
[07:02] <dash> heh
[07:02] <dash> MUD damage!
[07:02] <unamaus> yeah sorry
[07:02] <chz> i have a question for anybody....my computer died recently and i think it maybe the power supply (i hope its just the power supply). i try plugging it in but nothing turns on...is there a way to test the power supply itself to see if it truly is the problem?
[07:02] <dash> unamaus: np :)
[07:02] <unamaus> chz hehe i had that same problem
[07:02] <j-rock> chz: swap it with a different power supply
[07:02] <dash> chz: well, if the fans don't even turn on, it's almost definitely the power supply
[07:02] <j-rock> thats about the best way i have
[07:03] <chz> yeah...nothing
[07:03] <unamaus> chz reset the board if youve already tried
[07:03] <chz> it should at least click rite..?
[07:03] <chz> like the PS fan should just move a small notch when plugged in correct..
[07:03] <chz> PS=power supply....jic..
[07:03] <unamaus> chz actually can u reset your mobo?
[07:04] <chz> i thinxo...not to sure..
[07:04] <chz> i have to look at the mobo manual...
[07:04] <Errejo> how come there's no ops here ?
[07:04] <unamaus> chz try resetting it sometimes its the mobo preventing the PS from turning on especially if this is a new atx board
[07:04] <chz> i even tried unplugging the PS from the mobo to see if it would click...still nothing..
[07:04] <dash> Errejo: stealth ninja ops
[07:05] <chz> yeah..it is a new atx board...
[07:05] <dash> Errejo: you never see them until it is too late
[07:05] <chz> i just installed all this a few weeks ago...was a pain...but i got it to work...now its dead..=(
[07:05] <Errejo> dash, uhm .. ok
[07:05] <unamaus> dash should i be upgrading my linux kernel to linux-686-SMP?
[07:05] <blizah> how do i get the firefox that comes with ubuntu to use a life text find?...like as i type the letters it finds them as i type them
[07:06] <dash> unamaus: well, if you have SMP intel CPUs, then it probably won't huty
[07:06] <dash> er, hurt
[07:06] <chz> blizah: upgrade to firefox 1.0...you'd have to update ur repositories with the ones on ubuntuguide.org
[07:07] <unamaus> ok thanks xeons are by nature smp
[07:07] <dash> unamaus: how many do you have?
[07:07] <blizah> can i do that w/ out going to hedgehog or whatever its called?
[07:07] <blizah> hoary..
[07:07] <unamaus> its a dual xeon
[07:07] <dash> fun
[07:07] <unamaus> they only work in pairs hehe
[07:07] <chz> yeah..its not hoary-fied..
[07:08] <blizah> as it stands does my firefox contain the latest security fixes?
[07:08] <unamaus> as for the dual monitor stuff i don't seem to find anything regarding that
[07:08] <chz> its still warty...i think it maybe a lil buggy...i've been experiencing sum firefox closing...
[07:08] <unamaus> whoa
[07:08] <unamaus> now i found it
[07:08] <unamaus> weird
[07:09] <unamaus> i don't remember reloading
[07:10] <unamaus> i'm more of a hardware junkie than a software one which explains my newbness
[07:10] <chz> so...anybody one last question...i must use an ATX power supply....i cant try with an old P2 machines power supply..?
[07:10] <unamaus> umm no
[07:10] <StoffBox-Steve> someone can tell me a nice FTP client for Ubuntu ?
[07:11] <dash> StoffBox-Steve: nautilus? :)
[07:11] <chz> StoffBox-Steve: i use gftp...
[07:11] <unamaus> as a matter of voltage and motherboard safety i suggest u don't unless your p2 has p4 4pin power
[07:11] <dash> who uses ftp these days, though?
[07:11] <StoffBox-Steve> nautilus is foobar at FTP *GG*
[07:11] <dash> other than warez kiddies
[07:11] <unamaus> *raises his hand*
[07:11] <lukewarm> another vote for gftp
[07:11] <dash> unamaus: really! by choice?
[07:11] <chz> unamaus: gotcha....i'll go and purchase one...if its the case..i'll keep it...if not..just return it..=P
[07:11] <unamaus> hehe
[07:12] <chz> hopefully it is...i'd hate for my computer to have been fried...i just spent 7 bills to get this thing together...
[07:12] <StoffBox-Steve> dash, i have my Own Webserver ... how i uplaod file ? per FTP right ?!
[07:12] <unamaus> actually when it comes to software i'm very behind
[07:12] <dash> StoffBox-Steve: i'd use sftp
[07:12] <unamaus> chz do you happen to know what chipset and mobo u got?
[07:12] <monoxide> so as i said, HAL is not working... and its causing things to be screwy
[07:13] <dash> monoxide: "i'm sorry dave, I can't let you access that device"
[07:13] <unamaus> i could give you a heads up on what is more likely to survive a straight shot voltage surge
[07:13] <monoxide> dash?
[07:13] <unamaus> ssvs is when a line conditioner or surge protector doesn't curve out power spikes
[07:13] <chz> i got the new Sempron 2400+....with a soyo kt600 dragon plus
[07:13] <StoffBox-Steve> a link for a preview of sftp / gftp ? anyone ?
[07:13] <dash> monoxide: sorry, 2001 reference ;)
[07:14] <dash> StoffBox-Steve: sftp is a protocol
[07:14] <dash> it does not suck like ftp does
[07:14] <dash> if you can use ssh, you can use sftp
[07:14] <dash> nautilus speaks it
[07:14] <lukewarm> gftp does sftp (ftp is plaintext protocol like telnet, sftp is secure like ssh)
[07:14] <monoxide> heh... i wanted to watch that movie, but never got around to it...
[07:14] <StoffBox-Steve> i know but you must use a client too :D
[07:14] <chz> unamaus: i got the new Sempron 2400+....with a soyo kt600 dragon plus (c/p)
[07:14] <unamaus> oow... i'll bet the northbridge is located just right of the agp slot
[07:15] <monoxide> lukewarm, sftp == ftp with SSL encryption
[07:15] <dash> except it isn't ssl
[07:15] <chz> unamaus: wuts the northbridge..?
[07:15] <dash> or ftp
[07:15] <unamaus> heh do u have a nic card laying around?
[07:15] <dash> it's file transfer over ssh
[07:16] <unamaus> if so stick it on the topmost pci slot you have and plug your tower for power
[07:16] <chz> hmm..i believe so...i'd have to look around for one..
[07:16] <unamaus> if the nic card lights up or even blinks then your in luck
[07:16] <mips> Help. With hoary array 5 AMD64 how can I specify wich kernel to install ?
[07:17] <chz> ok...and if it doesnt..?
[07:17] <monoxide> mips, apt-get install linux-image-version-arch
[07:17] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm that sounds to be a good way :D have you a link for more information about that dash ?
[07:17] <monoxide> put in version number and architechture
[07:17] <mips> monoxide, i want to specify this during the cd install
[07:18] <monoxide> well then it has to be on the cd, and i would think that there is only one version on the cd?
[07:19] <chz> unamaus: would it be the power supply if it doesnt flash..?
[07:19] <unamaus> chat no it would be the board
[07:19] <unamaus> sorry argh i keep doing that
[07:19] <siimo> hi where did the 4-5MB boot iso go? there used to be a daily one for hoary
[07:19] <unamaus> 'chat'
[07:19] <mips> monoxide, not sure what kernels are on the cd but it isntalls the amd6-generic kernel. I will go a normal install and then do a apt-get
[07:20] <unamaus> chat current boards allow PS to bypass to PCI power feeds for nic cards specifically
[07:20] <unamaus> i never understood why
[07:20] <dash> StoffBox-Steve: hmm? just do "sftp://somehost.foo/home/me/" in nautilus
[07:21] <unamaus> which is why when your PS is unplugged your nic card indicater still blinks
[07:21] <lukewarm> network nic card
[07:21] <unamaus> yep
[07:21] <siimo> :?
[07:22] <lukewarm> automatic atm machine
[07:22] <lukewarm> personal pin number
[07:22] <unamaus> onboard nic is another method but usually they drain faster than nic cards so u won't be able to see flashing while its off
[07:22] <monoxide> rpg games
[07:22] <sic|> has anyone tried to install the dvd version of UT2004 in linux?
[07:23] <unamaus> chz you still should reset your bios (set jumper to reset) for a couple seconds
[07:23] <unamaus> because even saying the board ain't powering doesn't mean much
[07:25] <unamaus> or one way is to get a tester (voltage tester) and stick it to the cmos battery (take cmos battery off) i've seen other techs do that
[07:25] <chz> i got DMM...would that help..?
[07:26] <Hikaru79> Can Windows read an ext3 partition, or Linux an NTFS partition?
[07:26] <unamaus> i don't usually do that, due to fear of cross connecting negative positive connectors
[07:26] <chz> DMM's wouldnt matter..it would just give u a negative number =P
[07:26] <mips> Anybody have any recommendation on how to partion a 160GB disk for Ubuntu ?
[07:26] <unamaus> how do i run fglrx?
[07:27] <unamaus> sorry if i sound noobish i am very very noobish
[07:27] <monoxide> Hikaru79, i believe there is a driver on sourceforge that allows that, but out of the box, no.
[07:27] <Hikaru79> monoxide, allows which one? Both?
[07:27] <unamaus> NTFS is a windows thing
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:27] <monoxide> mips, i did 4 parts on my 200GB drive
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> anyone tried out the kde 3.4 packages ?
[07:28] <monoxide> the ext3 partition
[07:28] <unamaus> heh dunno how that helps
[07:28] <monoxide> no idea about ntfs on linux
[07:28] <unamaus> samba
[07:28] <monoxide> Hikaru79, tell me if you find something. i wanna run a ubuntu/XP dualboot on here.
[07:29] <mips> monoxide, why 4 ? And what type/size are they ?
[07:29] <unamaus> so umm any idea on how i can run this fglrx?
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> and tell me, what is the use of emacs ? if i dont ever use it, is it ok to remvoe it ?
[07:29] <unamaus> wow emacs haven't heard of that in so long
[07:29] <chz> o wow..it turned on..>???
[07:29] <chz> how wierd..
[07:29] <unamaus> hehe
[07:30] <monoxide> mips, i have 3 HDDs. i can /msg you my fstab if you want
[07:30] <unamaus> chz so which advice did u take?
[07:30] <chz> i've been trying for so long to get this thing to work...wow...
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> anyone tried out the kde 3.4 packages ?
[07:30] <chz> actually...i took the power supply out...and then reconnected it to check the nic card..
[07:30] <unamaus> lol
[07:30] <mips> monoxide, thanks, that would be nice. I currently looking at the partioning screen for my setup
[07:30] <chz> then hit the power button...
[07:31] <chz> but i did that like...50 times already..
[07:31] <unamaus> then guess what
[07:31] <unamaus> chat one of your pci slots is fried
[07:31] <dash> emacs is a programmer's best friend (after python)
[07:31] <dash> but if you never use it you can of course remove it.
[07:31] <chz> hmm...how do i check that out...
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> dash: but what if i dont use it ? is it 'safe' to rmeove - ?
[07:32] <unamaus> take the nic card out relocate it to another
[07:32] <dash> yes.
[07:32] <unamaus> and another until the mobo don't switch on
[07:32] <dash> da_bon_bon: besides, if it wasn't it would show you all the things that removing emacs would remove
[07:32] <chz> hmm..ok..
[07:32] <chz> do u think it could also be the harddrive..cuz i think my hard drive is fried..?
[07:32] <unamaus> btw if you have any other pci peripherals like a sound card or firewire card use it on the topmost slot
[07:33] <unamaus> chz nah your hd should be ok
[07:33] <unamaus> chat your nic card uses the least amount of i/o volt
[07:33] <unamaus> and trust me you don't want that thing on a slot that's close to your nbridge
[07:33] <unamaus> nic cards don't have good resistors
[07:34] <unamaus> sound cards on the other hand are good with ssvs
[07:34] <chz> its a long story of how all this happened...power shut off for a sec...then reset the comp...ubuntu wouldnt boot...saying sum fault...so i tried reformatting and isntalling again...but kept givin me errors...
[07:34] <unamaus> chz i still don't think your hd is fried
[07:34] <chz> then ran a check and it said sumthin bout hda_dma erorrs..or sumthing...
[07:35] <chz> let it run with ubuntu live....then it shut off by itself...then never started bak on until 2 mins ago..=P
[07:35] <chz> hmm...i'll try the switching nic thing..
[07:37] <unamaus> so umm where and what do i do to configure this fglrx?
[07:39] <unamaus> hmm guess i just gotta reboot huh?
[07:39] <thoreauputic> drivers
[07:39] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: drivers
[07:39] <uMkulu> drivers is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto , for HOWTOs on ATI and Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
[07:39] <unamaus> thank you
[07:40] <xed> I need help with something..
[07:40] <xed> Where can I go and paste an error I am constantly getting to show what the issue is..?
[07:40] <dash> xed: http://rafb.net/paste
[07:40] <eleazar> hello, anyone can tell me how to config ALSA? coz i tried to run alsaconf and it didnt work, any suggestions?
[07:40] <dash> eleazar: what part do you want to configure
[07:41] <unamaus> brb
[07:41] <thoreauputic> eleazar: alsaconf is not included in ubuntu
[07:41] <unamaus> quit
[07:41] <eleazar> thoreauputic, so how do i configure alsa?
[07:41] <HillTops> I'm logged into the new Hoary live CD and so am a bit of a disadvantage -- my notes and links to help are on my USB thumb drive. How do I mount it R/W or even as read?
[07:41] <dash> eleazar: what's to configure?
[07:41] <monoxide> apt-get install alsaconf?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> eleazar: unfortunately, I don't know
[07:42] <dash> monoxide: probably not
[07:42] <dash> HillTops: does the "Computer" window not show it?
[07:42] <eleazar> dash: well, i want to make my audigy work :/
[07:42] <eleazar> monoxide i tried that and it didnt work
[07:42] <dash> eleazar: okay. did you adjust the mixer?
[07:43] <xed> http://rafb.net/paste/results/qEIGG596.html <-- Thats the error I am constantly getting. =/
[07:43] <ferris> Hiltops the OS should recognize it
[07:43] <eleazar> dash: yeah, but the mixer only detects my onboard card
[07:43] <thoreauputic> crimsun, I think, said alsaconf is deprecated and in danger of being dropped from debian as well
[07:43] <ferris> do you get an icon in the 'computer' folder?
[07:43] <HillTops> dash, I don't see it,  I looked in /mnt and don't see /sha1 or what ever.
[07:44] <xed> can anyone help me with that? http://rafb.net/paste/results/qEIGG596.html
[07:44] <xed> I am getting that same error every friggin single time I install anything
[07:44] <dash> HillTops: it'd be in /media, maybe. but i meant in nautilus
[07:44] <HillTops> ferris, do I have to unplug it and replug it in??
[07:44] <ferris> the usb drive should be sda1
[07:44] <dash> HillTops: it couldn't hurt!
[07:44] <ferris> try unplugging it
[07:44] <ferris> lol dash
[07:45] <HillTops> dash, OK, and I let CD activity die down... and replug it in. OK here goes. :)
[07:46] <xed> No, no one wants to help?
[07:46] <ferris> xed
[07:46] <ferris> hold on
[07:46] <thoreauputic> xed: what is mwavem?
[07:46] <xed> thoreauputic, how would I go about knowing that!?
[07:46] <xed> I don't really know, it just showed up.. after I tried installing acpi
[07:47] <dash> xed: yeah, looks like you need to apt-get remove mwavem
[07:47] <xed> now I get the same error for anything
[07:47] <xed> what IS mwavem!?
[07:47] <ferris> xed, are you using ubuntu?
[07:47] <dash> xed: stuff for an mwave modem, i bet.
[07:47] <xed> ferris, yes
[07:47] <thoreauputic> xed: apt-cache search says it's a modem thing
[07:47] <HillTops> Oh my !!!! I see it: LEXAR MEDIA. It was there all the time. Didn't recognize such a friendly name. Now how about my old FAT32 hard disk, /dev/hdb1 ??
[07:47] <dash> xed: also i am betting you don't have one
[07:47] <xed> dash: I don't really know.. don't really use my modem on ubuntu
[07:47] <xed> or in windows for that matter. =/
[07:47] <eleazar> so, nobody knows how can i set my audigy? :(
[07:48] <thoreauputic> xed: if you don't use a modem, purge the package
[07:48] <dash> xed: is this a laptop?
[07:48] <xed> dash: yes, yes it is
[07:48] <dash> xed: hmm. strange
[07:48] <xed> thoreauputic, what do you mean, and why/how would I go about doing this?
[07:48] <HillTops> Thanks ferris and dash.
[07:48] <ferris> eleazar ... apt-get install audigy
[07:48] <thoreauputic> xed: sudo apt-get remove --purge mwavem
[07:48] <ferris> HilTops, yw
[07:48] <dash> HillTops: i bet there's an fstab entry for it
[07:48] <thoreauputic> xed: it's a package
[07:49] <xed> thoreauputic, what does that do...?
[07:49] <eleazar> ferris: very funny..
[07:49] <thoreauputic> it removes all trace of the package
[07:49] <xed> Why does it always go there to that package then..?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> just remove it
[07:49] <dash> xed: if dpkg fails to install a package the first time, it will retry every time you do anything else
[07:49] <thoreauputic> unless you think you need it
[07:50] <xed> okay, i purged them..
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> how do i help in translation of ubuntu to hindi language ?
[07:50] <HillTops> dash, The directory of /dev  shows hdb1 as blocked with a red X on the left icon.
[07:50] <xed> dash, thats an odd way of doing thigns. =|
[07:50] <dash> xed: it usually works
[07:50] <xed> Yeah, except in this case
[07:50] <xed> So should I try re-installing the acpi?
[07:50] <dash> HillTops: so it doesn't show anything in computer:/// ?
[07:50] <xed> I need sound man! Sound!
[07:51] <thoreauputic> xed: not really - apt doesn't know if you want it ;)
[07:51] <xed> thoreauputic, true.. but you know... I'm a long time Windows user. =|
[07:51] <xed> (Don't hurt me!)
[07:51] <HillTops> dash, not sure what you mean by computer.
[07:51] <thoreauputic> xed: just try agian and see if the error is gone
[07:51] <dash> HillTops: click 'places', then 'computer'
[07:52] <xed> it says acpi-support is already the latest version..
[07:52] <thoreauputic> k
[07:52] <box> anyone have a tip on the best way to put java on my system?
[07:52] <dash> box: there's some bits on the wiki
[07:52] <thoreauputic> well you already have it then, don't you?
[07:52] <xed> " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 41 not upgraded. "
[07:52] <Errejo> box, www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:53] <Quar> where can i get more themes for Ubuntu/gnome?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> acpi-support is already installed, obviously
[07:53] <HillTops> dash, it shows CDROM, LEXAR (USB) and FILESYSTEM which is root etc on the RAM disk.
[07:53] <Quarupt> anyone know?
[07:53] <xed> thoreauputic, my.. wait-- is the acpi related to the sound drivers?
[07:54] <Xenguy> box: is 'java-package' in Ubuntu ?
[07:54] <HillTops> dash, /mnt is empty
[07:54] <thoreauputic> xed: no, not AFAIK
[07:54] <xed> what do you mean not "AFAIK" ?
[07:54] <dash> HillTops: of course
[07:54] <dash> HillTops: but is /media?
[07:54] <xed> thoreauputic, what does that mean?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> as far as I know
[07:54] <xed> I need to get sound installed and.. some video codecs
[07:55] <Micksa> grargh.
[07:55] <xed> grargh!?
[07:55] <Micksa> anyone care to recommend an app for watching a network connection's bandwidth usage over SNMP?
[07:55] <Micksa> like, something that gives a big-arse graph :)
[07:55] <Micksa> different time-averages would be nice
[07:55] <xed> ...okay.. so .. I'm lost..
[07:56] <Quarupt> I installed Armagetron, but I cany find the bin?
[07:56] <Quarupt> anyone know what its called?
[07:57] <HillTops> dash, I did:  ls /media  and see "windows".   ls /media/windows is empty
[07:58] <xed> So.. how do I go about installing sound drivers in Ubuntu?
[07:58] <GammaRay> Quarupt: try dpkg -S Armagetron | grep bin
[07:59] <lunitik> GammaRay: you mean -L of course
[08:00] <thoreauputic> xed: 1) lspci | grep snd 2) google the chip and find the right driver for it 3) sudo modprobe <driver> 4) put it in /etc/modules
[08:00] <dash> HillTops: do try "mount /media/windows"
[08:00] <dash> s/do/so/
[08:00] <lunitik> GammaRay: -S will tell you where a file came from... for instance dpkg -S /etc/resolv.conf
[08:01] <thoreauputic> xed: sorry   lspci | grep audio
[08:02] <GammaRay> lunitik: I intended -L yes
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> as of now, is it possible to do an install with the live cd ?
[08:02] <lunitik> GammaRay: also, no packages have caps in the package name.
[08:02] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: no
[08:03] <thoreauputic> xed: you can also try  lsmod | grep snd to see what drivers are already loded
[08:03] <thoreauputic> *loaded
[08:03] <HillTops> dash, I think I need something like mkdir /mnt/windows    then mount /media/windows /mnt/windows   ??           Your command made errors...   wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: will that ever change in near / distant future ?
[08:03] <dash> HillTops: no, but hmm
[08:03] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: its in discussion apparently
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: any links ?
[08:04] <lunitik> Why you'd want that, I don't know, but whatever
[08:04] <sunnie> hi all!  i want to know if C-Media 9880 has an Alsa driver.
[08:04] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: look for it yourself
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: sure
[08:04] <GammaRay> lunitik: I just pasted back what he gave me.. I have no real way of knowing what the package name actually is
[08:04] <HillTops> dash, how about  mount  /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[08:05] <sunnie> ? :(
[08:05] <xed> thoreauputic, Seems there is already a driver for the sound...
[08:05] <thoreauputic> xed: I kind of suspected so
[08:05] <thoreauputic> xed: warty or hoary?
[08:05] <dash> HillTops: you probably need a "-t ntfs" or "-t vfat" on the end
[08:05] <crimsun> sunnie: what's the main dsp?
[08:05] <xed> thoreauputic, I still don't know what that means..
[08:05] <xed> Warty I think
[08:05] <xed> thoreauputic: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rWRXJq24.html
[08:06] <thoreauputic> xed: what does  cat /etc/issue  say?
[08:06] <sunnie> crimsun: what is a dsp?
[08:06] <HillTops> dash, OK -t vfat  on the end of mount /media/windows;  so mount /media/windows -t vfat     ??
[08:06] <dash> HillTops: that other thing you just said
[08:06] <xed> thoreauputic, Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[08:06] <sunnie> I'm sorry, I'm not very linux literate :(
[08:06] <crimsun> sunnie: lspci -v (don't flood here) has info on your audio chipset...
[08:06] <thoreauputic> xed: OK
[08:06] <xed> So..
[08:07] <crimsun> ah, the snd-atiixp stuff.
[08:07] <HillTops> dash, ooops that gave many errors. I guess I don't understand this media folder. I'm used to dealing with /dev and /mnt
[08:07] <crimsun> xed: what version?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> xed: if crimsun has time, maybe he could look at your pastebin output - he knows a bout sound
[08:08] <crimsun> xed: (cat /proc/asound/version)
[08:08] <dash> HillTops: well, it's just another directory
[08:08] <thoreauputic> ah , thanks crimsun
[08:08] <xed> crimsun, Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[08:08] <dash> HillTops: no different from /mnt really
[08:08] <xed> "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 (Mon May 17 14:31:44 2004 UTC).
[08:08] <xed> Compiled on Oct 12 2004 for kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386."
[08:08] <dash> HillTops: or any other dir
[08:09] <xed> ello....?
[08:09] <HillTops> dash, OK, but the mount command wants two folders and I don't know what goes with /media/windows
[08:09] <xed> crimsun, ..
[08:09] <crimsun> xed: the version of ALSA included with warty's kernel is too old to support your sound chipset properly.
[08:09] <sunnie> crimsun: unfortunately, there isn't something in that list that equates to the name of my soundcard, or has audio in it
[08:09] <crimsun> xed: please be patient.
[08:09] <xed> crimsun, sorry =(
[08:09] <dash> HillTops: no, it wants a device and a directory
[08:10] <dash> HillTops: do you know what device your windows partition is on?
[08:10] <Quarupt> anyone in here have any luck getting fglrx working?
[08:10] <dash> Quarupt: yeah
[08:10] <HillTops> dash, Hmmm Yes, windows is on /dev/hdb1 normaly
[08:10] <crimsun> xed: the surefire way of getting it working is to dist-upgrade to Hoary. However - you may try installing the 'alsa-source' package from the 'universe' repository.
[08:10] <dash> HillTops: then use that, silly ;)
[08:10] <Quarupt> dash, i followed the directions on the Ubuntu guide, but when i startx with the driver, i get stuck in 800x600
[08:11] <xed> crimsun, alright... and I do this by "sudo apt-get install alsa-source" ...?
[08:11] <crimsun> xed: once you install 'alsa-source', you need to install 'build-essential', 'fakeroot', 'build-essential', and 'kernel-package'.
[08:11] <dash> Quarupt: bummer
[08:11] <crimsun> xed: correct
[08:11] <xed> crimsun: And I do that same command with each of those.. except with the different packages?
[08:11] <crimsun> sunnie: sec.
[08:11] <HillTops> dash, mount /dev/hdb1 gets mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:11] <crimsun> xed: you can actually put all the packages on one line
[08:11] <dash> HillTops: so... tell it where to mount it
[08:12] <xed> crimsun, it couldn't find the alsa-source package
[08:12] <sunnie> crimsun: no problems.  thank you.
[08:12] <xed> You said from the universe repository...
[08:12] <crimsun> xed: make sure you have the 'universe' repository enabled.
[08:12] <dash> Quarupt: you will need to edit your X config.
[08:12] <xed> Hmm..
[08:12] <xed> I thought I did
[08:12] <xed> let me check
[08:12] <Quarupt> can anyone help me get the driver working correctly?
[08:13] <crimsun> xed: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[08:13] <xed> what the!?
[08:13] <xed> I thought.. ..>.<
[08:13] <xed> I uncomment those two lines and it should work >.<!
[08:13] <crimsun> xed: you have to remember to Reload
[08:13] <HillTops> dash,  mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows      did the trick.  Thank you for staying with me.  :/
[08:13] <crimsun> (using Synaptic)
[08:13] <xed> crimsun, what do you mean reload?
[08:13] <crimsun> (or sudo apt-get update)
[08:14] <xed> oh.. right.. it just told me to do that...
[08:14] <xed> I should hurt myself..
[08:14] <dash> HillTops: it is a pity that the installer did not read your mind! it gets so many other things right these days i get surprised when it doesn't
[08:14] <xed> how do I go about installing all those packages with only one command line?
[08:14] <dash> HillTops: oh waiiit
[08:14] <dash> HillTops: you're using the live cd?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> xed: just leave a space between packages :)
[08:15] <xed> oh.. sweet
[08:15] <thoreauputic> xed , sudo apt-get install pack1 pack2 pack3
[08:15] <xed> thoreauputic, thank you
[08:17] <xed> crimsun, why did you have 'build-essential' twice in there...? do i install it twice?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> xed: no
[08:17] <thoreauputic> he repeated himself ;)
[08:17] <thoreauputic> once is quite enough ;-)
[08:17] <xed> Ah, *pwhew*
[08:17] <HillTops> dash, liveCD latest release.  And now I see the disk in a window, all is well. Thanks.  It could have been easier like other distros but this is the first time I have gotten this far with ubuntu -- even warty.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> it wouldn't matter
[08:18] <xed> Alright.... hmm..
[08:18] <xed> So I'm done installing those
[08:18] <dash> HillTops: well it makes more sense, they can only put a fixed setup on the cd
[08:18] <thoreauputic> xed , the second one would be ignored I think
[08:18] <xed> i hope so
[08:18] <thoreauputic> heh
[08:18] <crimsun> sunnie: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[08:19] <xed> crimsun, I am done installing the suggested packages.
[08:19] <crimsun> xed: ok, uname -r ?
[08:19] <xed> crimsun: 2.6.8.1-3-386
[08:19] <sunnie> k
[08:19] <crimsun> xed: hmm, you must not have dist-upgraded, since there are errata kernels
[08:20] <xed> errata kernels? and .. wha? dist-upgraded?
[08:20] <crimsun> xed: what cpu is in that machine?
[08:20] <sunnie> snd_intel8x0           29984  0
[08:20] <xed> crimsun, P4 2.8GHz (w/ HT).. but its not a true HT anyways =/
[08:21] <crimsun> xed: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-686 linux-headers-2.6.8.1-5-686 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5-686
[08:21] <crimsun> sunnie: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.ca
[08:22] <xed> weeee look at it go
[08:22] <Quarupt> Can anyone help me with fglrx
[08:22] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:22] <Quarupt> please
[08:22] <Quarupt> no one in ATI is awake
[08:22] <thoreauputic> xed: wow, you must have a big pipe there!
[08:22] <xed> big.. pipe?
[08:23] <xed> connection?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> xed: it already downloaded all that?
[08:23] <xed> ..cable. 3Mbits... or so I'm told!
[08:23] <sunnie> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/6890
[08:23] <xed> thoreauputic, it was 43 or so MB =|
[08:23] <xed> not big
[08:23] <thoreauputic> xed: that would take me hours...
[08:23] <xed> crimsun, done installing..
[08:23] <xed> thoreauputic, what sort of connection are you on/'
[08:23] <xed> ?*
[08:24] <thoreauputic> dilaup
[08:24] <thoreauputic> dialup
[08:24] <Quarupt> Anyone here good with xoeg
[08:24] <Quarupt> xorg
[08:24] <dazed> hey thore
[08:24] <Quarupt> i could really use some help
[08:24] <thoreauputic> dazed: :)
[08:24] <xed> thoreauputic, thats probably why it would take hours.. =|
[08:24] <thoreauputic> xed: indeed
[08:24] <plex0r> I OWN YOU ALL
[08:24] <dazed> lol :) im at my friends house on nice conn...plex0r is him hahah
[08:24] <thoreauputic> plex0r: cogratulations
[08:25] <crimsun> xed: ok, now cd /usr/src
[08:25] <dazed> he got me into nix except hes not even on nix box
[08:25] <crimsun> xed: make sure your user is in the 'src' group
[08:25] <Quarupt> someone must be boored enough to help me
[08:25] <plex0r> ty baby
[08:25] <plex0r> i love you
[08:25] <xed> crimsun, what do you mean by "make sure"
[08:25] <plex0r> let me sex u
[08:25] <schasi> Quarupt: Well the one bored enough doesnt know what your problem is
[08:25] <crimsun> xed: groups $USER|grep src
[08:26] <thoreauputic> xed: type   groups    and see if one of them is "src"
[08:26] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:26] <HillTops> dash, I had followed info here: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#automountfat   but they didn't make it clear there how to mount it: # mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows     perhaps elsewhere. Thanks again.
[08:26] <johnnybezak> hey guys i just updated to hoary, how do i change back to the sexy warty xcursors?
[08:26] <crimsun> sunnie: getting to it.
[08:26] <sunnie> crimsun: it's okay, i know you're helping someone else. i'll be patient.
[08:26] <Quarupt> schasi, I followed the directions on ubuntu guide for switching to the fglrx driver for Xorg, and it worked, but im stuck in 800x600 and cant switch
[08:26] <xed> sunnie, sorry. I suck =(
[08:27] <sunnie> xed: don't worry about it dude.  i hope things work for you
[08:27] <schasi> Now _that_ does describe your problem
[08:27] <schasi> lets see if anyone can answer it ;-)
[08:27] <Quarupt> lol, so your saying you can't
[08:27] <Quarupt> cause i allready asked
[08:28] <xed> so.. I'm stuck here wondering why there is no "src" after I typed in 'groups' as thoreauputic suggested..
[08:28] <Quarupt> at least your not stuck in 800x600
[08:28] <schasi> Quarupt: Yep i can't, im on windowsxp atm
[08:28] <Quarupt> lol
[08:28] <schasi> Im stuck with windows xp
[08:28] <schasi> I think that's worse
[08:28] <thoreauputic> xed: type   sudo adduser (yourusername)  src
[08:28] <Quarupt> come on guys the damn Gnome icon is bigger than my cat
[08:28] <thoreauputic> without the () of course
[08:29] <sunnie> lol schasi
[08:29] <xed> thoreauputic, done and DONE
[08:29] <xed> now what do I do?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> xed:  log out and in again
[08:29] <xed> ...
[08:29] <schasi> More on my Windows XP issue l8er, gotta go, school
[08:29] <thoreauputic> for it to take effect
[08:29] <xed> thoreauputic, that should make my sound work?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> no
[08:29] <Quarupt> someone up for a challenge come on
[08:29] <xed> Alright then, brb, I guess
[08:29] <thoreauputic> xed just adds you to the src group :)
[08:29] <schasi> Quarupt: Did you try changing the /etc/X11 or Xorg or whatever /XF86conf?
[08:29] <tizen> xer: figure it out.
[08:30] <crimsun> sunnie: are you using warty or hoary?
[08:30] <Quarupt> changing it to what the directions just say to change the driver
[08:30] <sunnie> crimsun: i'm on hoary.
[08:30] <tizen> i went you to the bars tonight and got jumped on the way home
[08:30] <tizen> you = out
[08:31] <Quarupt> grrr
[08:31] <xed> Done
[08:31] <xed> logged out and logged in
[08:31] <Quarupt> this really sucks balls
[08:31] <crimsun> xed: cd /usr/src
[08:31] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:31] <crimsun> xed: tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:31] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:32] <crimsun> sunnie: make sure you have the 'universe' repository enabled, then sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[08:33] <crimsun> sunnie: also ensure that your user is in the 'src' group
[08:33] <xed> crimsun is the ownage
[08:33] <crimsun> xed: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[08:33] <Quarupt> someone must be good with Xorg in here
[08:33] <sunnie> crimsun: i have the universe repository enabled, i need to sudo the rest of those aps...and by ensuring i'm in the src group, do i cd into that folder?
[08:33] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: just google it
[08:33] <crimsun> xed: make sure you choose the atiixp (_not_ atiixpm) driver
[08:33] <Quarupt> i have
[08:34] <xed> okay, I'm in some sort of set up.
[08:34] <xed> "Build ALSA driver with ISA PnP?"
[08:34] <crimsun> sunnie: yeah, but you need to be a member of the 'src' group to untar the driver source
[08:34] <crimsun> xed: no
[08:34] <xed> So, I choose.. no?
[08:34] <crimsun> xed: correct
[08:35] <xed> "Build ALSA driver with debugging code?"
[08:35] <xed> ...
[08:35] <crimsun> xed: yes
[08:35] <sunnie> crimsun: how do i know i'm a member of the 'src' group?  i'm really sorry crimsun, i'm a newbie at this.
[08:36] <crimsun> sunnie: groups|grep src
[08:36] <xed> You said to choose 'atiixp', right crimsun?
[08:36] <crimsun> xed: correct
[08:36] <xed> okay, so I did that..
[08:36] <xed> now what?
[08:36] <sunnie> crimsun: it returned nothing
[08:36] <xed> It took me back to the CLI
[08:37] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo adduser $USER src
[08:37] <thoreauputic> sunnie: sudo adduser (yourusername) src
[08:37] <crimsun> sunnie: then you need to either log in on another console, or log out and back into GNOME
[08:37] <viper12> evening/morning all.
[08:37] <crimsun> xed: now cd modules/alsa-driver
[08:38] <sunnie> crimsun: alright it has added me to the group src. i'll brb
[08:38] <xed> crimsun, DONE
[08:38] <xed> ...whoops
[08:38] <xed> sorry about the caps
[08:38] <crimsun> xed: fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-5-686/ KVERS=2.6.8.1-5-686
[08:38] <viper12> that quarupt sure has the problems don't he?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> xed: acceptable for emphasis ;-)
[08:39] <xed> OooOO.. this thing is making use of my PC
[08:40] <xed> crimsun, done
[08:40] <crimsun> xed: cd ..
[08:40] <crimsun> xed: ls|grep .deb
[08:40] <viper12> anyone here install array 5 or 6 on a dell dimension 2400? I'm noticing flat panel wackiness with it. (login screen is blank until ctrl/alt away and then back.)
[08:40] <sunnie> crimsum: i'm back! :)
[08:40] <sunnie> *crimsun (sorry)
[08:41] <xed> crimsun, Done
[08:41] <crimsun> xed: do you see an alsa-modules...deb ?
[08:41] <xed> alsa-modules-2.6.8.1-5-686_1.0.5a-1ubuntu6_i386.deb
[08:41] <crimsun> xed: sudo dpkg -i alsa-modules*deb
[08:41] <xed> crimsun, thats what I see
[08:42] <xed> crimsun, "No configuration file found for ALSA 1.0.
[08:42] <xed> "
[08:42] <crimsun> xed: but dpkg successfully installs the package?
[08:42] <ferris> does anyone know of a html authoring suite like dreamweaver for debian?
[08:43] <crimsun> sunnie: cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:43] <viper12> ferris.....would screem work?
[08:43] <xed> crimsun, check #flood
[08:43] <crimsun> sunnie: then sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[08:43] <ferris> viper12, i will check it out
[08:43] <sunnie> ferris: you could go through the repositories @ http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/
[08:43] <viper12> its in the packages.  looks pretty complete.
[08:43] <sunnie> crimsun: alright i'll do that.
[08:44] <crimsun> sunnie: make sure you answer "no" to isa pnp, "yes" to debug - and choose the "azx" driver
[08:44] <crimsun> xed: no errors, correct?
[08:44] <xed> err..
[08:44] <crimsun> xed: dpkg -l alsa-modules-2.6.8.1-5-686|grep ^ii
[08:45] <xed> Well other than the "No configuration file found for ALSA 1.0"
[08:45] <xed> crimsun, ii  alsa-modules-2 1.0.5a-1ubuntu Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers)
[08:45] <xed> Thats what it be saying
[08:45] <BobaFett> guys...is there a simple way of updating from warty to hoary?
[08:45] <viper12> yes boba.
[08:46] <BobaFett> apt-get something?
[08:46] <dash> it's quite easy, just edit your sources.list and update and upgrade
[08:46] <sunnie> crimsun: it's giving me errors as an output such as "no such file or directory"
[08:46] <BobaFett> so, its apt-get update and thats it? O.o
[08:46] <viper12> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2555
[08:46] <thoreauputic> xed: looks like it's installed
[08:46] <viper12> that link boba will give you all da' info.
[08:47] <xed> thoreauputic, installed..eh?
[08:47] <xed> how do I go about testing to see if my sound is working?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> wait for crimsun - he's the expert
[08:47] <xed> thoreauputic, alrighty
[08:48] <crimsun> xed: you'll be able to tell for sure after a reboot. Keep these two (2) points in mind: [1]  1.0.5a may be too old still, but it's much newer than the 1.0.4 you're currently using; [b]  it works in Hoary, which has 1.0.8
[08:48] <xed> crimsun, alrighty.... so should I reboot.. or .. log out/log in?
[08:48] <crimsun> xed: and [2]  you'll need to unmute your mixer sliders after you reboot using either alsamixer or GNOME's Volume Control
[08:48] <BobaFett> Thanks people!
[08:48] <crimsun> xed: it's probably easiest to reboot
[08:48] <viper12> np boba
[08:48] <BobaFett> looks fairly simple xd
[08:49] <xed> crimsun, allllrighty
[08:49] <xed> but before I do
[08:49] <crimsun> sunnie: which command gave you that error?
[08:49] <xed> I best get some video codecs installed too...
[08:49] <crimsun> xed: grab 'w32codecs' from debian-marillat
[08:49] <sunnie> crimsun: tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:49] <crimsun> sunnie: pwd
[08:49] <viper12> just my 2 cents xed..........but um.....one thing at a time huh?  troubleshooting wise...fix one before adding to it? ;)
[08:49] <xed> crimsun, what do you mean by "grab" from where?
[08:49] <crimsun> sunnie: it should report /usr/src
[08:49] <xed> what's debian -marillat?
[08:50] <crimsun> xed: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:50] <Panzerboy> Hello Ubuntu people!
[08:50] <thoreauputic> xed: first see if sound works
[08:50] <viper12> :)
[08:50] <xed> allrighty I guess
[08:50] <xed> brb I guess
[08:50] <thoreauputic> xed: patience, Grasshopper ;)
[08:50] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, it says /usr/src
[08:50] <viper12> lol...well said throeau
[08:50] <thoreauputic> hehe
[08:50] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo apt-get install alsa-source
[08:50] <viper12> better than I'm spelling at this time of the evening. lol
[08:51] <viper12> and hello panzer.
[08:51] <sunnie> crimsun: it tells me that alsa-source is the newest version
[08:52] <crimsun> sunnie: ls /usr/src/alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:52] <viper12> would there be any reason for the login/splash to be 1280x1024 when the users desktop is set to 10x7.....and xorg has been purged of the 1280x1024 settings?
[08:52] <intero> hello
[08:52] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, it is here.
[08:52] <BobaFett> I updated my repos and did the dist-update, but nothing happened! guess I had all I needed...how can I check my Ubuntu version?
[08:52] <intero> how much does ubuntu require for the root partition? (assuming i'll do / /home and swap)
[08:52] <crimsun> viper12: make sure 1280x1024 has been purged from all Depths' Modes
[08:53] <crimsun> viper12: and ensure that you restarted gdm after editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:53] <dash> intero: my root partition is 1GB
[08:53] <dash> but i use
[08:53] <dash> er
[08:53] <dash> but i use LVM for all the other partitions
[08:53] <bestadvocate> does anyone use and like ether of the gnome browsers?
[08:53] <crimsun> sunnie: and you typed "tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2" ?
[08:54] <viper12> crimsun...did that.  and a full reboot, and the splash STILL comes up 12x10......which causes an error and black screen on the flat panel...wierdest thing..  alt f1 away and back, and screen is there, but...done the purge and such...keeps happening.
[08:54] <intero> dash: okay, so say 3 gb would do i think. thanks
[08:54] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, i just checked it again. no errors in typing :(
[08:54] <dash> intero: LVM will make sure you never have to worry about that again :)
[08:54] <viper12> tried them besta......but i'm a fox guy.
[08:55] <bestadvocate> oh crap, i asked for that, Synaptic just froze uninstalling galeon
[08:55] <crimsun> sunnie: wait, what sort of "no file or directory" errors is it?
[08:55] <BobaFett> uname -a ... nevermind xD
[08:55] <crimsun> sunnie: are they, rather
[08:55] <intero> dash: will learn it then ;) thanks for the hints, take care!
[08:55] <bestadvocate> this is weird, synaptic wont let me mess with the screen
[08:55] <sunnie> crimsun: for example, tar: modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/patch_realtek.c: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[08:56] <crimsun> sunnie: groups|grep src
[08:57] <sunnie> crimsun: mm hm, did that and it returned nothing.
[08:58] <crimsun> sunnie: uh huh. So that's why you're getting those errors; your user wasn't added properly to the 'src' group.
[08:58] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: where did you get galeon? it isn't in the repos as far as I can see...
[08:58] <crimsun> sunnie: so let's try again: sudo adduser <your username> src
[08:58] <viper12> too late thoreau......he booked.
[08:59] <jeavis> How I can see my free space in hard disk
[08:59] <sunnie> crimsun: crimsun: it says i'm already a member of src
[08:59] <viper12> several ways to do that jeavis........gui or text?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> viper12: I think he did something wicked witha debian reo ;)
[08:59] <pirre> jeavis: man df
[08:59] <thoreauputic> *repo
[08:59] <crimsun> jeavis: with Applications>System Tools>System Monitor, or use df -h
[08:59] <viper12> lmao thoreau, that was my thought as well............disasters waiting to happen that way. ;)
[08:59] <thoreauputic> viper12: indeed
[09:00] <crimsun> sunnie: yet ,,groups|grep src'' returns null?
[09:00] <sunnie> crimsun: mm hm, yup
[09:00] <thoreauputic> I heard galeon wouldn't build so it was left out....
[09:00] <johnwlittle> and also b/c it isnt firefox :)
[09:00] <viper12> I'd read something about that cruising forums as well...don't remember specifics, but.....
[09:00] <crimsun> sunnie: is your username "aoede"?
[09:01] <sunnie> crimsun: yup.  that's what i put.
[09:01] <crimsun> sunnie: ok, and that matches ,,echo $USER'', I presume
[09:01] <sockler> im having trouble getting online, i can see the router, but i cant do anything else
[09:01] <viper12> its funny, I decide to get my father off of windows.....and every problem possible with a linux install is ocurring on his box......lmao....really putting me through my paces.
[09:02] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, echo returns my username
[09:02] <crimsun> sunnie: and you logged out and back in completely?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> viper12: funny how that happens - I was trying to convert a friend and had a sorcerer's apprentice experience with her printer... :/
[09:02] <viper12> sockler...you say you can see the router...is the connection dhcp from the router, or a static address.
[09:03] <sockler> i set the IP manually, because my router doesnt have DHCP
[09:03] <sockler> what should the gateway be?
[09:03] <sunnie> crimsun: yes i did. should i restart ubuntu again, just to see, because i only exited to the login screen last time.
[09:03] <viper12> thoreauputic,  funny you should mention that.......his printer....lexmark.  his video....integrated brookdale.......his netcard.....wavelan d-link (crippled one).......etc.
[09:03] <crimsun> sunnie: nah, it's not absolutely imperative
[09:04] <crimsun> sunnie: we'll just continue with a slightly more hackish method
[09:04] <thoreauputic> viper12: heh - so he thinks Linux is crippled, I guess? :)
[09:04] <viper12> sockler, if standard, it would be something like:  192.168.0.1
[09:04] <Panzerboy> do any of you guys have any experience with rdesktop/tsclient?
[09:04] <sockler> it didnt work on that
[09:04] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[09:04] <sunnie> crimsun: :) devious.  alright what do i do?
[09:04] <sunnie> crimsun: k
[09:04] <viper12> thoreauputic, lol...he loves it.  I chaned the desktop to 1 click, gave him the suede icons, and he's in heaven.....its getting printing and wireless going and this stupid flatpanel error that's blowing my brain cells at the moment. lol
[09:05] <crimsun> sunnie: make sure you answer "no" to isa pnp, "yes" to debug code - and choose the azx driver
[09:05] <viper12> is this a wifi or standard router connection sock?
[09:05] <crimsun> (apologies if you've already done that once)
[09:05] <thoreauputic> viper12: just keep the hair you tear out in a handy place - you might want it later ;-)
[09:06] <sunnie> crimsun: no no, it's alright. k i did that.
[09:06] <sockler> this particular computer is connected standard
[09:06] <viper12> lol thoreauputic ........good idea.......but it is...later.......and i'm one of the lucky ones hair wise. ;)
[09:06] <viper12> okay sockler, what type of router is it?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:06] <crimsun> sunnie: ok, now sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[09:06] <sockler> wrt54g
[09:06] <sockler> i have winXP on the same box and that can access the internet
[09:06] <sunnie> crimsun: no errors
[09:07] <crimsun> sunnie: cd modules/alsa-driver
[09:07] <viper12> one recommendation sockler.......if xp can see the net, boot that side, go to the network settings and write down how its configured.......then bounce back to linux and dup those nuimbers.
[09:07] <sunnie> crimsun: okay
[09:07] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)
[09:08] <viper12> if you can see the router sockler.......then you at least know that linux is set up properly for networking......its just not "pointed" the right way "out", if you get my meaning.
[09:08] <taras> hi anyone else have problems with ubuntu's 2.6.11 and ALPS touchpads?
[09:08] <viper12> 2.6.11?
[09:08] <viper12> :O
[09:08] <viper12> since when?
[09:08] <sockler> alright thanks for the help
[09:08] <thoreauputic> viper12: since a few days
[09:08] <taras> it craps out my mouse support
[09:08] <sockler> brb
[09:09] <crimsun> viper12: prelim 2.6.11 packages have been in universe for weeks.
[09:09] <viper12> thoreauputic, .......how the hell did i miss that????
[09:09] <viper12> lmao.
[09:09] <xed> oookaaay
[09:09] <viper12> oh........prelim.....that's why.  doh. lol
[09:09] <taras> and when i enable the driver for it in x..it dies badly after first mouse click
[09:09] <crimsun> viper12: they're also in universe, not main.
[09:09] <xed> so i think i might've ruined my graphical interface
[09:09] <xed> I'm on desktop now
[09:09] <crimsun> viper12: seeing how when they were created, 2.6.11 was still in -rc
[09:09] <xed> I was previously messing around with the fglrx
[09:10] <xed> now it just boots up in.. the little dos like thing..
[09:10] <xed> No GNOME
[09:10] <xed> the error is something like couldn't load your gnome..
[09:10] <crimsun> xed: did you install the linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) ?
[09:10] <xed> I c-- wha?
[09:10] <viper12> yep crimsun....don't mind me...its gettin' late.  I've stayed away from the .11's until they get closer...which I oughta go snag as they're "closer" now.
[09:10] <crimsun> xed: presuming you rebooted into the newer kernel
[09:10] <xed> crimsun: negative
[09:10] <xed> i'm on my desktop (windows)
[09:10] <xed> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:11] <xed> I was following those instructions before your help to figure out if i needed to install video drivers
[09:11] <thoreauputic> xed: :/  change *one* thing at a time when troubleshooting
[09:11] <xed> and so I might've screwed up someting
[09:11] <xed> thoreauputic: I didn't change anything..that was before I got help here
[09:11] <crimsun> xed: what was the last step you performed?
[09:11] <xed> now I think I might've destroyed something
[09:11] <crimsun> xed: I doubt you destroyed anything
[09:11] <xed> crimsun: "sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
[09:12] <xed> crimsun: well how do i get back into the graphical interface?
[09:12] <xed> I don't like this dos-like thing ._.  it scares me
[09:12] <thoreauputic> xed: you get to love it ;-)
[09:12] <thoreauputic> xed: gives you control
[09:12] <Agrajag> don't you DARE call it dos-like
[09:12] <xed> I'm sorry
[09:13] <thoreauputic> hahaha
[09:13] <dash> Agrajag: hah
[09:13] <ygnome> xed: don't insult bash like that
[09:13] <xed> I'm goin go get owned in here
[09:13] <xed> Sorry
[09:13] <dash> the way you insult bash is like this
[09:13] <crimsun> xed: hmm. Take a look at your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and make sure the Driver was actually changed from "ati" to "fglrx"
[09:13] <dash> "sheeeesh why isn't zsh default in ubuntu yet"
[09:13] <viper12> lmao...............don't feel bad xed.......not all of us prefer the command line.......but in linux it IS more efficient. ;)
[09:13] <sunnie> crimsun: yay it's done.
[09:13] <crimsun> :D
[09:13] <xed> crimsun: what do you mean "take a look"
[09:13] <crimsun> sunnie: cd ..
[09:14] <sunnie> crimsun: mm hm
[09:14] <crimsun> xed: open /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in an editor, for instance, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:14] <thoreauputic> xed:  less  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:14] <thoreauputic> either
[09:14] <dash> xed: it is only recently that linux users have been able to avoid the terminal for long periods of time :) ubuntu is a big step in that dept
[09:14] <crimsun> sunnie: ls|grep alsa-driver
[09:15] <crimsun> sunnie: err, ls alsa-driver*deb
[09:15] <sunnie> crimsun: returned with nothing.
[09:16] <dazed> im so fucked up w00h00
[09:16] <crimsun> sunnie: pwd
[09:16] <crimsun> sunnie: are you sure the compilation didn't error out?
[09:16] <xed> crimsun: how would I check to see if it has changed from "ati" to fglrx
[09:16] <crimsun> (e.g., fail with an error(s))
[09:17] <sunnie> crimsun: yup, no errors.  it didn't say anything after the spew of text going up the terminal.  pwd returns /usr/src/modules
[09:17] <xed> I want my graphical interface back =(
[09:17] <Panzerboy> xed: you really want to use fglrx?
[09:17] <Panzerboy> you need it for some games, or?
[09:17] <xed> Panzerboy: I don't know what that is..?
[09:17] <xed> I just thought I had to do it
[09:17] <xed> Now that I did it.. its gone
[09:17] <Panzerboy> cause ati drivers are not really that good
[09:18] <xed> I want my gnome back!
[09:18] <Panzerboy> hmm
[09:18] <Panzerboy> wait just a sec
[09:18] <xed> Panzerboy: How would I go about getting rid of this.. and going back to my normalness witht he interface and the graphical-ness
[09:18] <Panzerboy> just a sec
[09:18] <xed> allrighty
[09:18] <Quarupt> man im giving up on Fglrx
[09:18] <sunnie> crimsun: i type in ls|grep alsa-driver*deb?
[09:19] <Panzerboy> xed: ok man
[09:19] <Panzerboy> so
[09:19] <Panzerboy> you are in the command line now or in windows?
[09:19] <sunnie> crimsun: or is it ls alsa-driver/
[09:20] <xed> Right now I'm on desktop which as windows.. and on laptop.. in the commandline..
[09:20] <Panzerboy> oh, good
[09:20] <xed> which LOOKS like dos..all black.and white
[09:20] <Panzerboy> so you want to fix the laptop, right?
[09:20] <xed> yes
[09:20] <Panzerboy> ok
[09:20] <thoreauputic> xed: heretic!
[09:20] <xed> the desktop I plan to destroy
[09:20] <Panzerboy> are u using hoary or warty?
[09:20] <xed> warty
[09:20] <Panzerboy> ok
[09:20] <Panzerboy> do a ls /etc/X11
[09:21] <crimsun> sunnie: actually it's: ls alsa-driver*deb
[09:21] <crimsun> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ;)
[09:21] <Panzerboy> crimsun: :-)
[09:21] <xed> th..was just going to say that
[09:21] <dazed> hey whats the easiest way to check hd space?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:21] <sunnie> crimsun: oh lol k one moment
[09:21] <xed> was just in that file a minute ago. =
[09:21] <xed> =
[09:21] <johnnybezak> hey guys are there any other good icon themes for gnome, that are complete, like have icons for most things?
[09:21] <crimsun> dazed: df -h
[09:21] <xed> =|
[09:21] <thoreauputic> dazed: df -h
[09:21] <Panzerboy> xed: now type less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:22] <dazed> thanks
[09:22] <Panzerboy> look for Section "Device"
[09:22] <sunnie> crimsun: ls: alsa-driver*deb: No such file or directory
[09:22] <Panzerboy> and tell us what's there
[09:22] <xed> ...
[09:22] <xed> lots of stuff?
[09:22] <crimsun> sunnie: ls *.deb
[09:22] <Panzerboy> ummm
[09:22] <xed> Lots of text
[09:22] <xed> First line
[09:22] <Panzerboy> what is the Driver ?
[09:22] <uMkulu> the Driver is, like, an rpm
[09:22] <Panzerboy> fglrx?
[09:22] <crimsun> xed: type /fglrx
[09:22] <xed> Err....
[09:23] <xed> found it under
[09:23] <xed> "Section "Device"
[09:23] <Panzerboy> yes
[09:23] <sunnie> crimsun: alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:23] <thoreauputic> the bot is spreading misinformation... :/
[09:23] <xed> Identifier: "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9100 U3 (R200 IGP)"
[09:23] <crimsun> sunnie: err, sorry, I'm tired. Yes, that's the correct file.
[09:23] <xed> ...ook..there's no semicolon there
[09:23] <xed> then it says
[09:23] <Panzerboy> xed: and Driver is fglrx?
[09:23] <xed> Driver "fglrx"
[09:24] <Panzerboy> ok
[09:24] <Panzerboy> good
[09:24] <xed> ...
[09:24] <xed> =(
[09:24] <Panzerboy> is there anything like BusID there?
[09:24] <_dev_> anyone here use 1350 wlan card broadcom?
[09:24] <crimsun> sunnie: sudo dpkg -i alsa*.deb
[09:24] <xed> Yeah
[09:24] <Panzerboy> besides the other crap
[09:24] <Panzerboy> ok
[09:24] <Panzerboy> now
[09:24] <Panzerboy> press q
[09:24] <xed> doen
[09:24] <Panzerboy> you should get to the prompt again
[09:24] <Panzerboy> now
[09:24] <Panzerboy> type sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-34
[09:24] <Quarupt> Someone please help me with fglrx
[09:24] <Panzerboy> sorry, without the 3 :P
[09:24] <ferris> crimsun, what is the command to set the (fastest) connection to the repositories
[09:24] <xed> done
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: oops
[09:25] <Quarupt> Panzerboy, you have ati?
[09:25] <Panzerboy> go to the Device section
[09:25] <tga> more ATI talk?
[09:25] <Cube-ness> anybody know why recently things are way slow and laggy in hoary? like gui updates?  same issue on my desktop and laptop, nvidia and ati respectively
[09:25] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: :-)
[09:25] <Panzerboy> Quarupt: nope
[09:25] <Panzerboy> tga: are u on yahoo mess?
[09:25] <xed> alright
[09:25] <Quarupt> tga,  im having round 2 with this fglrx
[09:25] <Panzerboy> tga: i wanna test smth
[09:25] <crimsun> ferris: apt-spy ?
[09:25] <xed> Panzerboy: I'm there
[09:25] <sunnie> crimsun: it's okay, i'm really appreciating your help.  thanks.  k, so i typed in that command and now everything is done.
[09:25] <Panzerboy> xed: delete everything besides Identifier, Driver and BusID
[09:25] <xed> err..
[09:25] <ferris> yes thanks
[09:25] <xed> what do you mean "everything"
[09:26] <xed> Just erase it?
[09:26] <sunnie> alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:26] <tga> Panzerboy: yeah, I replied but you never wrote back
[09:26] <thoreauputic> umm
[09:26] <sunnie> sorry
[09:26] <Panzerboy> just in the Device section
[09:26] <xed> Wouldn't it be better to comment it out or something?
[09:26] <crimsun> sunnie: and after you reboot, everything should work. You may have to unmute and adjust the mixer sliders using alsamixer or GNOME's Volume Control
[09:26] <Panzerboy> xed: only there !!!
[09:26] <Panzerboy> xed: ok, comment then :P
[09:26] <Quarupt> tga,  ya think of anything else i could try?
[09:26] <xed> By putting a # infront of the lines, yes?
[09:26] <Panzerboy> yes
[09:26] <Panzerboy> let only those 3
[09:26] <Panzerboy> and then
[09:26] <xed> So what do I not comment out?
[09:27] <Panzerboy> Identifier, Driver and BusID
[09:27] <xed> To the left of those words, I put a # infront of it?
[09:27] <Quarupt> I mean, there has to be a way to get this driver working correctly
[09:27] <Panzerboy> no
[09:27] <Panzerboy> man
[09:27] <tga> Quarupt: not really.. I'm not getting anywhere with my card either
[09:27] <sunnie> crimsun: thank you so much for taking the time to help me.  I'll try it out after I reboot and hopefully everything will work as planned.
[09:27] <Panzerboy> for all the OTHER ones you put a # in front of the line
[09:27] <Panzerboy> you let those 3 uncommented
[09:27] <Quarupt> tga, yea but my card is actually supposed to be supported by this driver
[09:27] <sunnie> crimsun: thanks again.  ...er...and don't overwork yourself, if you're tired, you should rest. anyways, thanks.
[09:28] <Quarupt> who tests the latest warty beta's? or is Warty done?
[09:28] <viper12> warty is not beta.  its hoary that's beta.
[09:28] <Quarupt> i know lol
[09:29] <viper12> :/
[09:29] <Quarupt> but they keep adding higher versions of Warty
[09:29] <Quarupt> where are they coming from?
[09:29] <crimsun> Quarupt: "higher versions of warty"?
[09:29] <Quarupt> like 4.10
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: no, just security updates
[09:29] <Quarupt> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9831
[09:29] <viper12> there are no higher version numbers of warty. 4.10 IS warty.
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: that's the original number
[09:30] <Quarupt> Oh okay i see
[09:30] <crimsun> super-warty!
[09:30] <Quarupt> Man i just want my damn fgrlx to work
[09:30] <Quarupt> #ati isnt very helpful
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: 2004, month 10 = 4.10
[09:31] <thoreauputic> hence Hoary 5.04
[09:32] <crimsun> Quarupt: what precisely isn't working - and what precisely have you attempted?
[09:32] <viper12> woot.....an easy fix.  got sockler taken care of.....his router had dhcp enabled, and he didn't know it. lol.  sometimes the easy ones are the best. :)
[09:33] <Quarupt> crimsun, i followed the directions on ubuntuguide and it worked fine except i was stuck in 800x600
[09:33] <crimsun> viper12: =)
[09:33] <Quarupt> so we tried different syncs and modules
[09:33] <crimsun> Quarupt: did you inspect the log file?
[09:33] <Quarupt> didnt get anywhere
[09:33] <viper12> I've been there and worn his t-shirt before.....sometimes another person's "nudge" is all it takes.
[09:33] <Quarupt> yes me and tga and a guy from #ati
[09:33] <Quarupt> but ill pastebin it if ya wanna look at it
[09:34] <Quarupt> but im currently back in the ati driver
[09:34] <viper12> just curious quarupt, but in the xorg,conf file.......what resolutions are listed there?  and did you change the ati listing to fglrx in that file as well? (just checkin'.)
[09:35] <Quarupt> how else would i have gotten it to load the driver
[09:35] <Quarupt> and i beleive we left it with 1024x768 800x600 and 640x480
[09:36] <Quarupt> i know the driver was working cause glxgears was fly'n
[09:36] <viper12> in whatrez quarupt?
[09:36] <Quarupt> but it doesnt matter when the icons were bigger than my head
[09:37] <Quarupt> viper12, 8x6
[09:37] <johnnybezak> whats a good text based irc client?
[09:37] <crimsun> johnnybezak: irssi
[09:37] <Quarupt> irsii
[09:37] <johnnybezak> thnx
[09:37] <viper12> just curious, but are you on a flat panel or crt quarupt?
[09:37] <tga> johnnybezak: irssi-text
[09:37] <Quarupt> i wasnt aware that irsii had an x client
[09:37] <johnnybezak> apparently
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: used to
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: I think development stopped
[09:38] <Quarupt> you might look at bitchx to its okay, but i prefer irsii
[09:38] <crimsun> Quarupt: irssi actually has "any" X Windows client ;)
[09:38] <sunnie> crimsun: thanks!  everything is working.  although I want to ask you for one more favor, if possible.
[09:38] <crimsun> Quarupt: just configure irssi to work as a proxy, then use any graphical irc client to access it. There are instructions on irssi.org
[09:38] <sunnie> crimsun: could you repeat the packages i needed during the initial stages of this sound process?
[09:39] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys is there a way of having a window not draw all fo the menubar/scrolls etc
[09:39] <thoreauputic> crimsun: interesting!
[09:39] <Quarupt> okay crimsun anyways back to my screwed up driver
[09:39] <sunnie> crimsun: cause i want to know for future reference. :( i didn't get the log files of those.
[09:40] <crimsun> sunnie: do you mean which packages you needed to install? If so - fakeroot, build-essential, kernel-package, linux-headers-$(uname -r), alsa-source
[09:40] <sunnie> crimsun: yes perfect.  thank you so much
[09:40] <crimsun> sunnie: keep in mind that you only need to install those packages once (unless you continually reinstall distros)
[09:40] <o2> Is someone running array-6 with an atheros chipset ?
[09:40] <Quarupt> how can i make a script that does this : cd /home/sean/Limewire  then  ./runLime   ?
[09:41] <johnnybezak> johnnybezak: test
[09:41] <shock> .test
[09:41] <viper12> ing
[09:41] <thoreauputic> Quarupt: you shouldn't need to: just give the full path
[09:41] <viper12> :D
[09:41] <crimsun> Quarupt: why not just ~/Limewire/runLime ?
[09:42] <sunnie> crimsun: *nods* i know. i just needed to write it down because i will be holding an installfest soon on my campus using ubuntu as our main distro.
[09:42] <johnnybe1ak> guys do i have a nick?
[09:42] <Quarupt> cause it only works when i call it within the directory
[09:42] <crimsun> sunnie: excellent :-)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> johnnybe1ak: sure
[09:42] <johnnybe1ak> thoreauputic: thanks, in the text client its not showing up its just blank (probably a colour problem)
[09:42] <shock> johnnybe1ak - jup
[09:43] <sunnie> crimsun: yes, so just in case someone comes in with a new board like mine, i know how to solve that problem.  thanks to you, now i sort of do.
[09:43] <viper12> lol........sort of do beats sort of don't any day of the week. :D
[09:43] <thoreauputic> johnnybe1ak: if it's irssi, you can get lots of themes
[09:43] <thoreauputic> different colours etc
[09:43] <crimsun> you can even theme irssi like bx  *shudder*  ;-)
[09:43] <thoreauputic> johnnybe1ak: check irssi.org
[09:44] <thoreauputic> crimsun: heh :)
[09:44] <jeavis> I have a pc and I cant install ubuntu
[09:44] <jeavis> how I can install
[09:44] <Panzerboy> jeavis: why ?
[09:44] <johnnybe1ak> thoreauputic: it was just my terminal colours off
[09:44] <thoreauputic> ok
[09:44] <xed> the greatness that is #ubuntu
[09:44] <jeavis> Panzerboy: The pc freeze in partitions
[09:44] <Panzerboy> xed: :-)
[09:44] <Panzerboy> jeavis: hmmm ... strage
[09:45] <Panzerboy> strange that is :)
[09:45] <Panzerboy> jeavis: did you have any other linux installed on that hard drive?
[09:45] <Panzerboy> or other os?
[09:45] <johnnybe1ak> so do you guys know how to have a window show no menu/title/scroll bars etc. like xmms does?
[09:45] <xed> Ubuntu makes my sound so loud
[09:45] <xed> I love Ubuntu for that reason alone
[09:45] <crimsun> got sound working? :-)
[09:45] <xed> crimsun, thats why I love you
[09:46] <crimsun> haha
[09:46] <thoreauputic> xed: hehe - thought you were about to complain ;)
[09:46] <viper12> lol
[09:46] <crimsun> thoreauputic: as did I
[09:46] <xed> now to work on the codecs!
[09:46] <sunnie> i heart crimsun too.
[09:46] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: i don't know if metacity supports that
[09:46] <xed> I heart crimsun.
[09:46] <xed> we ALL do
[09:46] <crimsun> aww
[09:46] <xed> Well except for maybe that guy..!
[09:46] <viper12> sunnie, crimsun and xed..................they could pose for an ubuntu screen.  snicker. ;)
[09:46] <xed> But I think he might just be a figment of my imagination.. so thats okay
[09:46] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[09:47] <Panzerboy> lol
[09:47] <xed> "Not like you killed someone"
[09:47] <xed> -Judith (APC)
[09:47] <crimsun> thoreauputic: bah ;)
[09:47] <crimsun> team effort, no one person does it alone
[09:47] <xed> What was that codec again, crimsun?
[09:47] <crimsun> xed: w32codecs
[09:47] <xed> thoreauputic, is real? I thought he/she was a figment of my imagination!
[09:48] <thoreauputic> crimsun: well, you *are* impressively helpful, is all I meant :)
[09:48] <sunnie> mmm open source developments...delicious.  always so delicious.
[09:48] <viper12> and cheap too.
[09:48] <viper12> ;)
[09:48] <xed> Sometimes, I think crimsun is an extremely advanced AI bot..
[09:48] <sunnie> lol
[09:48] <sunnie> that's what we're trying to tell people on my campus.  CHEAP.
[09:48] <xed> And I think that this is all some sort of sick conspiracy... then I realize that I AM crazy.
[09:48] <viper12> just don't get em' dell dimension 2400's sunnie.............lol.
[09:49] <thoreauputic> xed: nah, he's not a bot - bots make mistakes ;-)
[09:49] <xed> thoreauputic, you got a point there...
[09:49] <xed> So he's probably a spy then..
[09:49] <sunnie> lol viper12.
[09:49] <xed> That works for ubuntu
[09:49] <xed> who goes around magically solving problems through the awesomeness that is his logic
[09:49] <viper12> I'm laughing thru the tears........but winning the battle.
[09:49] <Quarupt> Okay im gunna alien the damn limewire rpm so i dont have to deal with it being broke
[09:49] <jeavis> Panzerboy: I can install mandrake
[09:50] <Quarupt> anyone know the url where ya can get pro for free
[09:50] <jeavis> Panzerboy: I cant install ubuntu
[09:50] <xed> I have mandrake on my old desktop PII.. it sits there and does nothing because its not connected to the net.. -.-
[09:50] <xed> but its an old version of mandrake
[09:50] <crimsun> Quarupt: isn't limewire a gnutella client?
[09:50] <xed> mandrake 6
[09:50] <jeavis> Panzerboy: Is so estrenge I have ubuntu in two pc and I dont have problems
[09:50] <Panzerboy> jeavis: well that's strage then
[09:50] <Panzerboy> you say it freezes in partitioning?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> xed: I like archaeology too ;-)
[09:51] <xed> archaeology?
[09:51] <xed> I like chicken.
[09:51] <crimsun> (you mentioned "old")
[09:51] <jeavis> Panzerboy: I can install ubuntu from the net
[09:51] <viper12> lmao thoreauputic .......i was thinking fossils.
[09:51] <Quarupt> crimsun, si
[09:51] <xed> oh
[09:51] <xed> the pentium 2
[09:51] <crimsun> Quarupt: are you running Hoary?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> and the mandrake 6...
[09:51] <xed> Yeah, that PC runs smoother than my stupid devil HP desktop...
[09:51] <Quarupt> si
[09:52] <sunnie> the pentium2 IS a fossil .....
[09:52] <xed> Devil HP Desktop more recent than the PII.. by like 5 years..
[09:52] <crimsun> Quarupt: I would much appreciate if you test updated gtk-gnutella packages before I upload to universe
[09:52] <crimsun> Quarupt: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ubuntu-motu/
[09:52] <Panzerboy> jeavis: but not from a burned cd?
[09:52] <johnnybe1ak> dont mess with the pentiums baby
[09:52] <thoreauputic> sunnie: hey, i have a P200 mmx here!
[09:52] <Quarupt> Its installed but i have to run it from a terminal i have added ot to my path linked to to /bin but nothiong works
[09:52] <thoreauputic> sunnie: not running Ubuntu, though
[09:52] <xed> crimsun, what was that link again? to the codecs...
[09:53] <RattWork> I'm about to do an ubuntu install dualbooting XP
[09:53] <Quarupt> lol crimsun thanx but gtk gnu sucks
[09:53] <Panzerboy> xed: do you have marillat repo's added to sources.list?
[09:53] <crimsun> xed: 'w32codecs' is in the debian-marillat repository; see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:53] <sunnie> lol thoreauputic: it's alright, i have a p1 sitting right next to me.  that one is still on windows98. *shudders* ah well not mine.
[09:53] <Quarupt> lol limewire is way faster and has a better gui and more servers
[09:53] <RattWork> how many partitions should I have?
[09:53] <crimsun> Quarupt: fair 'nuff
[09:53] <RattWork> I'd like: users, root, xp, shared data
[09:53] <johnnybe1ak> what do you use crimsun
[09:54] <RattWork> so that's like 5 partitions, right?
[09:54] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: for?
[09:54] <viper12> don't ferget swap RattWork
[09:54] <johnnybe1ak> filesharing
[09:54] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: I generally stick to bittorrent (btdownloadcurses)
[09:54] <johnnybe1ak> (limewire)
[09:54] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: cool
[09:54] <thoreauputic> sunnie: Debian Woody on my P200
[09:55] <RattWork> vincent_: I think that IS 5 with swap
[09:55] <viper12> smiles....and agrees with crimsun.  the blue frog be jess fine.
[09:55] <xed> How do I get Gaim to minimize to the top tray rather than the bottom bar..?
[09:55] <RattWork> a boot partition isn't really neccessary, right?
[09:55] <joeblow1234> RattWork : no it isnt
[09:55] <thoreauputic> RattWork: right
[09:55] <Panzerboy> xed: close it
[09:55] <sunnie> thoreauputic: ah.  what's debian woody like?
[09:55] <crimsun> xed: click the icon in the tray ;)
[09:56] <Panzerboy> click the x
[09:56] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys i have the standard hoary sources, and i want to install mplayer
[09:56] <thoreauputic> sunnie: rock solid but kind of outdated, of course
[09:56] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: which cpu?
[09:56] <johnnybe1ak> ppc
[09:56] <joeblow1234> johnnybe1ak : i found that compiling it is the easiest
[09:56] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: make sure you enable multiverse
[09:56] <thoreauputic> sunnie: when I say solid, i mean it!
[09:56] <johnnybe1ak> it shows up
[09:56] <joeblow1234> crimsun : the codecs provided on www.mplayerhq.hu, will they work on
[09:57] <joeblow1234> PPC/Linux
[09:57] <xed> crimsun, that just closes it =(
[09:57] <johnnybe1ak> but when i try install it it says it depends on an uninstallable package
[09:57] <johnnybe1ak> libavcodec2
[09:57] <jeavis> Panzerboy: Yes not from a burned cd
[09:57] <joeblow1234> johnnybe1ak : download the source code from http://www.mplayerhq.hu and then compile it
[09:57] <viper12> xed........if you add the gaim app to the top panel it will minimize there.  if you've got it added to the bottome panel then remove it and add it to the top.
[09:57] <crimsun> xed: clicking the tray icon should minimize to/restore from tray
[09:57] <johnnybe1ak> joeblowd1234: i tried with warty and it wouldnt compile ill give it another go
[09:58] <johnnybe1ak> cos i installed hoary
[09:58] <crimsun> joeblow1234: yeah, but make sure you don't pick the i386 ones
[09:58] <bigcx2> hey
[09:58] <xed> viper12, how do i put it on the top tray?
[09:58] <joeblow1234> crimsun : they dont offer a choice, there is just a single essential codecs package
[09:58] <bigcx2> can anyone tell me how to blacklist things on startup
[09:58] <sunnie> thoreauputic: ic...lol okay then.  what other distros have you tried?
[09:58] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: there appear to be mplayer-altivec, mplayer-powerpc, and mplayer-g4 packages
[09:58] <jeavis> how I un tar a .tar.bz2
[09:58] <Panzerboy> jeavis: then maybe it's a problem with the cd
[09:58] <bigcx2> modules
[09:59] <Panzerboy> jeavis: or with the iso
[09:59] <crimsun> jeavis: tar xfj foo.tar.bz2
[09:59] <Panzerboy> jeavis: did you check the iso with md5sum before burning it ?
[09:59] <bigcx2> blacklisting modules anybody?
[09:59] <viper12> on the top panel xed, just right click, select +add to panel..........
[09:59] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: yeah i tried the powerpc and g4
[09:59] <jeavis> Panzerboy: I burned a other cd and I cant
[09:59] <crimsun> bigcx2: echo somemodule | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:59] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: no love
[09:59] <xed> viper12: I don't see "gaim" available...
[09:59] <Quarupt> after you install gtk-gnutella does it place itself on any of the menus?
[09:59] <Panzerboy> jeavis: maybe the iso is borked
[10:00] <jeavis> I install with the same cd the first tow machines
[10:00] <bigcx2> will try crimsun
[10:00] <thoreauputic> sunnie: hmm...mandrake, vector, deadrat... that's about it I guess...
[10:00] <viper12> you can do the custom app launcher and fill in the blanks.
[10:00] <Quarupt> so thast a no
[10:00] <thoreauputic> sunnie: staying with debian and ubuntu
[10:00] <raghu> jeavis: tar -jxvf filename
[10:00] <Quarupt> i cant even find the bin
[10:00] <xed> Where be Gaim located? -.-
[10:00] <viper12> is your main panel (top) set up with the standard apps/places/system or did you move it to the bottom?
[10:00] <Quarupt> in any repository
[10:00] <thoreauputic> /usr/bin/gaim?
[10:01] <crimsun> Quarupt: which gtk-gnutella version?
[10:01] <raghu> xed: in bin
[10:01] <xed> viper12: I might've accidentally removed the gaim icon a while back..
[10:01] <johnnybe1ak> /usr/bin/gaim
[10:01] <Quarupt> whatever one is in the repository
[10:01] <viper12> if standard menu is at the top......you can go app/internet/gaim and right click to add to the panel.
[10:01] <Quarupt> crimsun,
[10:01] <crimsun> Quarupt: that's because that version is broken, hence why I asked you to test the version I'm about to upload to universe =)
[10:01] <Quarupt> whatever one it gives me with apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[10:01] <shock> hey - amyone here informed about any good console icq client?
[10:01] <raghu> xed: if it is insatlled through tar file ...in terminal type gaim
[10:01] <Quarupt> oh
[10:02] <tga> shock: centericq
[10:02] <crimsun> shock: centericq
[10:02] <johnnybe1ak> so why are there packages available if their dependancies aren't?
[10:02] <crimsun> shock: there's also btlbee, which interfaces nicely with irssi
[10:02] <RattWork> is it better to install XP then install Ubuntu over the top?
[10:02] <sunnie> thoreauputic: yeah, i had to try SuSE because that was the distro we used for our last installfest, and boo i didn't like it too much.  now this whole ubuntu flavour is just nice.
[10:02] <RattWork> and if so, should XP partition be first on the drive?
[10:03] <johnnybe1ak> RattWork: do you want to dual boot
[10:03] <thoreauputic> RattWork: always install wintendo first
[10:03] <shock> :)
[10:03] <viper12> RattWork, its easier for xp first then ubuntu
[10:03] <shock> thx guys
[10:03] <viper12> lmao thoreauputic
[10:03] <RattWork> ok, how about as far as where on disk to put XP
[10:03] <RattWork> first partition?
[10:03] <xed> argghhh. -.-
[10:03] <viper12> yes RattWork
[10:03] <RattWork> ok
[10:03] <xed> It just re-launches it if I custom add a program to the top..
[10:04] <viper12> xed.......remove the one from the bottom panel so its not in two places.
[10:04] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: what errors do you get regarding attempting to install mplayer?
[10:05] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: are they missing dependencies? If so, did you add the requisite debian-marillat/mirror repo(s)?
[10:05] <bigcx2> crimsun
[10:05] <xed> viper12: i can't really "remove" it from the bottom. =/
[10:05] <bigcx2> what if i wanted to unload a kernel module
[10:05] <bigcx2> same thing?
[10:06] <bigcx2> at startup
[10:06] <Quarupt> did crisun leave?
[10:06] <crimsun> err?
[10:06] <bigcx2> i want to unload the floppy module from loading at startup
[10:06] <Quarupt> cause gtk-gnutella is having lots of probs, it wont connect to very many servers
[10:06] <Quarupt> maybe it just needs an updated server list
[10:06] <viper12> xed: sort of scratching my head here. it minimizes to the bottom panel.  where are you launching it from? a terminal or something?
[10:06] <viper12> lol
[10:07] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: marillat doesnt have ppc
[10:07] <crimsun> Quarupt: that's possible. I'm not familiar with the gnutella innards.
[10:07] <xed> viper12: Applications > Internet > Gaim
[10:07] <crimsun> bigcx2: so you tried blacklisting floppy?
[10:07] <viper12> do all of your apps minimize to the bottom?
[10:07] <viper12> or just gaim?
[10:07] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[10:07] <xed> if i launch it from the top (Custom added application) it loads it up again.. relaunches it..
[10:07] <xed> all of them
[10:08] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: in particular, deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/
[10:08] <bigcx2> well no because i wanted to know if that's what i did to keep it from loading on startup first
[10:08] <viper12> oh woot......million dollar baby is in the box.
[10:08] <viper12> sorry....that was off topic and very azureus of me.
[10:08] <viper12> :)
[10:08] <bigcx2> what file do i have to remove it from?
[10:08] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: thanks ill check it out
[10:08] <xed> =D
[10:08] <crimsun> bigcx2: that's one method of blacklisting
[10:08] <bigcx2> ok
[10:08] <crimsun> bigcx2: no, don't remove it, just append it
[10:08] <bigcx2> is there a file i can just comment it out
[10:09] <xed> So.. why is VLC so big?
[10:09] <xed> 24mB?
[10:09] <viper12> brb.
[10:09] <xed> thats massive
[10:09] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys, how do i revert to the standard firefox theme?
[10:10] <crimsun> xed: 39m here
[10:10] <xed> 39MB for VLC!?
[10:10] <xed> Wait-- if I get gnome-vlc
[10:10] <crimsun> [wxvlc] 
[10:10] <xed> Does that get the codec too?
[10:10] <crimsun> xed: I'm actually referring to in-mem profile
[10:10] <xed> in-mem?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> bigcx2: append it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist  I think?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> bigcx2: if I followed what you want correctly?
[10:11] <bigcx2> ok if the name of it is floppy.ko
[10:11] <bigcx2> echo floppy | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklis
[10:11] <bigcx2> ?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> bigcx2: just floppy I think
[10:11] <crimsun> bigcx2: echo floppy | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:11] <bigcx2> ok
[10:11] <bigcx2> will try
[10:11] <crimsun> xed: "in-mem" => running, as a process
[10:12] <crimsun> xed: the binary on-disk is only 1.1m
[10:12] <xed> ...
[10:12] <xed> Okay, so thats odd
[10:12] <xed> the sound is really choppy when playing a file in vlc
[10:13] <viper12> back.
[10:13] <crimsun> xed: but plays normally in another sound application?
[10:13] <xed> No.. I don't know what else I can play it in..
[10:14] <crimsun> xed: what type of file?
[10:14] <xed> .avi
[10:14] <viper12> I posted sound chop/chirp crap issues with rythmbox in the forums today.......(streaming audio).......but no issues in gxine.  not surprised.
[10:14] <xed> okay so mplayer is odd enough
[10:14] <crimsun> xed: you could try totem-xine or mplayer
[10:14] <thoreauputic> viper12: have you tried muine?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> ah - dunno if muine does streams...
[10:15] <johnnybe1ak> have you guys given the clear look themes a go? theyre pretty dam sweet
[10:15] <xed> odd
[10:15] <viper12> thoreauputic, I looked at it today, but still want to find out what 'broke' with rythm before just replacing it. (muine doesn't list streaming on their site.)
[10:15] <thoreauputic> viper12: yeah, I couldn't get muine to play streams here
[10:16] <thoreauputic> viper12: worked well on mp3 and ogg though
[10:16] <xed> What does it mean by "41 not upgraded"
[10:16] <viper12> thoreauputic, rythmbox was working perfectly with streams until 2 days ago with the monster updates....and now its super sensitive, choppy, and sometimes even plays garbage when clicking in other windowws.
[10:16] <thoreauputic> viper12: :(
[10:16] <crimsun> xed: are you using dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[10:16] <johnnybe1ak> hmm mplayer didn't build *once again*
[10:16] <viper12> yeah.....another really cool app I've looked at is Musik....but that's a helluva ordeal to install.
[10:16] <thoreauputic> viper12: warty here
[10:17] <viper12> hoary here.
[10:17] <thoreauputic> I guessed ;)
[10:17] <viper12> lol
[10:17] <viper12> bleedin' edge mah man.
[10:17] <xed> crimsun, up..grade?
[10:17] <spiral> hi
[10:17] <thoreauputic> viper12: but you get to keep *all* the pieces ;-)
[10:17] <viper12> damn right.......I earned em.  heh heh
[10:17] <thoreauputic> hehe
[10:18] <crimsun> xed: what program are you using to update?
[10:18] <xed> ...
[10:18] <xed> the.. terminal?
[10:18] <viper12> so far the fix for streaming is just shoutcast.com......click and let gxine play em.  works fine, but I sure liked being able to save the stuff in rythm
[10:18] <xed> I'm not upgrading, I was trying to get totem-xine
[10:18] <crimsun> synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, dselect, ...
[10:18] <Panzerboy> hmm, i'm getting an error upgrading hoary
[10:18] <xed> Now I'm upgrading
[10:18] <xed> i typed in
[10:18] <Panzerboy> in gnome-icon-theme
[10:18] <xed> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:19] <Panzerboy> it is saying:
[10:19] <Panzerboy> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[10:19] <Panzerboy>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png', which is also in package gnome-panel-data
[10:19] <Panzerboy> any idea what's this?
[10:20] <Panzerboy> or what can i do to fix it?
[10:20] <crimsun> Panzerboy: did you use dist-upgrade?
[10:20] <bob_> hi! I wonder why the net is so slow on this machine.. I just installed warty and I'm behind a D-link adsl router. I had to set a static dns-server to get it to resolv anything at all..
[10:20] <thoreauputic> delete or rename the file it wants to overwrite?
[10:20] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys how do i install a deb, that i download off the ubuntu website?
[10:20] <crimsun> Panzerboy: gnome-icon-theme_2.9.92-0ubuntu1 and gnome-panel-data_2.9.92-0ubuntu2 coexist fine on my system
[10:21] <viper12> just teasing bob, but the answer is:  D-junk.........er d-link.  ;)
[10:21] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[10:21] <bob_> viper12, :)
[10:21] <viper12> :D
[10:21] <johnnybe1ak> thoreauputic: thnx
[10:21] <bigcx2> thanks crimsun
[10:21] <bigcx2> it worked
[10:21] <crimsun> excellent
[10:21] <xed> oh geez, what'd I do?
[10:21] <Panzerboy> crimsun: nope, upgrade
[10:22] <xed> its going at 600B/s .-.
[10:22] <Panzerboy> i've installed hoary from some old iso
[10:22] <crimsun> Panzerboy: you just need to run upgrade a couple times
[10:22] <Panzerboy> crimsun: and now i wanted to upgrade
[10:22] <bigcx2> hey is there any cool nintendo 64 emulators out there for free?
[10:22] <Panzerboy> crimsun: i've run it like 3 or 4 times
[10:22] <crimsun> Panzerboy: when you're working with hoary, it's best to use dist-upgrade right now
[10:22] <Panzerboy> crimsun: same thing
[10:22] <Panzerboy> hmm
[10:22] <viper12> bigcx2..........check freshmeat or google it. (my suggestion there.)
[10:22] <bob_> viper12, it works perfectly on my lan at home :) but I thought it would be cool if my parents would run Linux too. they've been having trouble with their XP installation so I thought it was time :)
[10:22] <Panzerboy> let me try a dist-upgrade
[10:22] <thoreauputic> bigcx2: google is your friend...
[10:23] <Panzerboy> let's see what happens
[10:23] <bigcx2> lol
[10:23] <bigcx2> yes i know google is my friend
[10:23] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[10:23] <bigcx2> ok will do
[10:23] <johnnybe1ak> dam mplayer haha
[10:23] <bigcx2> gnight all
[10:23] <Panzerboy> crimsun: i'm doing a dist-upgrade now
[10:23] <viper12> I'm building my Father an ubuntu box as well..........so I can relate bob. and having issues with the dell dimension2400from hell for my troubles. lol
[10:23] <johnnybe1ak> anyone know what this means or how i can fix it
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak> dpkg: error processing libavcodec2-dev_0.4.9-pre1-0.2_powerpc.deb (--install):
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h', which is also in package libavcodec-dev
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[10:24] <crimsun> johnnybe1ak: sudo apt-get remove libavcodec-dev
[10:24] <johnnybe1ak> crimsun: thanks man
[10:24] <bob_> viper12, ah cool! I brought 2 gfx cards and 2 network cards just in case.. but not an extra adsl modem :(
[10:25] <viper12> bob that would be murphy's law, methinks.
[10:25] <crimsun> need some rest, night all.
[10:26] <bob_> viper12, mhm... :) at least I see on google others been having trouble with it as well....
[10:26] <viper12> take it easy crimsun
[10:27] <Panzerboy> night crimsun
[10:27] <viper12> the 2400?  yep.....brookdale garbage chip, no agp port, e17fp P.O.S. flat panel,.....sigh...........not worth the 500 bucks it cost..was kinda' surprised. (usually have good luck with dell.)
[10:27] <xed> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:27] <xed> What does that mean?
[10:27] <xed> night crimsun
[10:27] <xed> thanks again..
[10:27] <Panzerboy> xed: that means you are using two dpgk-s in the same time
[10:27] <tga> xed: exactly what it says
[10:27] <Panzerboy> like apt-get with synaptic
[10:27] <xed> how do I get it to.. NOT say that? O.o
[10:27] <Panzerboy> stop one of the processes
[10:27] <xed> ..well I don't see any other process running
[10:28] <viper12> do you have synaptic up in another window?
[10:28] <xed> For the dpkg atleast..
[10:28] <Panzerboy> hmm
[10:28] <xed> synaptic?
[10:28] <uMkulu> synaptic is the packagemanager GUI on dpkg based systems
[10:28] <viper12> package manager xed.
[10:28] <xed> well I don't see it..
[10:28] <Panzerboy> or maybe aptitude or dselect
[10:28] <viper12> shuders.
[10:28] <xed> ...
[10:28] <Panzerboy> viper12: ? :)
[10:28] <xed> how do I get all the dpkgs to stop?
[10:28] <Panzerboy> sudo killall -9 dpkg
[10:29] <viper12> frickin' hated aptitude and dselect.  >luvs synaptic for simplicity and ease of use.
[10:29] <johnnybe1ak> mplayer works!!!!!! woot :) thanks for your help guys!
[10:29] <viper12> excellent johnnybe1ak
[10:29] <Panzerboy> viper12: i use apt-get
[10:29] <xed> dpkg: no process killed
[10:29] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: did you compile it from the source?
[10:29] <viper12> I use synaptic unless absolutely FORCED to go command line.
[10:29] <johnnybe1ak> Panzerboy: no i got build errors
[10:29] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: of you took it from some repo?
[10:29] <viper12> smart upgrad is my friend.
[10:29] <bob_> viper12, no I meant the d-link 504t..
[10:30] <Panzerboy> viper12: :)
[10:30] <viper12> lmao.........well that goes without saying bob. lmao
[10:30] <xed> So.. that process killing thing didn't work Panzerboy
[10:30] <Panzerboy> but when do you get that error?
[10:30] <johnnybe1ak> Panzerboy: from the multiverse for some reason the dependancies werent showing up even though theyre in the ubuntu repositories so i just downloaded them off the ubuntu web site
[10:30] <Panzerboy> what are you trying to do ?
[10:30] <xed> kill the dpkg processes, which are supposedly running and I can't see them?
[10:30] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: the dependencies?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> xed: do you have several terminals open? Are you in process of installing something else?
[10:31] <xed> thoreauputic, I have one running
[10:31] <johnnybe1ak> Panzerboy: yeah
[10:31] <xed> I remember pressing ctrl+x on something (and upgrade) and it stopped
[10:31] <xed> ...
[10:31] <Panzerboy> xed: and you want to start another one?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> xed: that message always mens apt is busy
[10:31] <thoreauputic> *means
[10:31] <xed> ...
[10:31] <Panzerboy> johnnybe1ak: thanks, i will install mplayer later :)
[10:31] <xed> that ctrl+x probably had something to do with it
[10:31] <viper12> something got orphaned possibly.......
[10:31] <thoreauputic> xed: you have to wait for the process to finish
[10:31] <Panzerboy> always press ctrl+c
[10:31] <Panzerboy> not +x
[10:32] <xed> well i did press it while an upgrade was running..
[10:32] <Panzerboy> ps aux | grep dpkg ?
[10:32] <johnnybe1ak> now to get some non ugly skin for mplayer :P
[10:32] <Panzerboy> what is it showing?
[10:32] <tga> maybe you pressed ctrl+z
[10:32] <xed> ...nothing
[10:32] <xed> ah, that might be it tga
[10:32] <xed> I don't know
[10:32] <viper12> xed, you could fiddle and hunt for awhile.......or just reboot and get it taken care of. ;)
[10:32] <Panzerboy> tga: :-)
[10:32] <Panzerboy> z is near x :P
[10:32] <tga> xed: try fg
[10:32] <xed> viper12: i think I might go into windows to continue my torrents.. =|
[10:32] <thoreauputic> viper12: reboot?? this is Linux!
[10:33] <tga> just 1-2 keys apart.. not much difference
[10:33] <xed> brb
[10:33] <viper12> yeah, it IS thoreau.......and linux reboots like a rocket........and rather than spend three hours on a mistake........sometimes the path of least resistance.....is the most efficeint at solving the problem. ;)
[10:34] <viper12> too much time is money 'engineer' in me i guess. lol
[10:34] <thoreauputic> viper12: heretic!
[10:34] <viper12> and damn proud of it. lol
[10:34] <spazery> how do i stop services from loading when the computer boots up? can anyone help??
[10:35] <viper12> lmao
[10:35] <tga> spacey: update-rc.d -f SERVICENAME remove
[10:35] <tga> spacey: man update-rc.d for more info
[10:35] <spazery> thanks
[10:35] <tga> np
[10:35] <Panzerboy> tga: there is no graphical runlevel editor in ubuntu ?
[10:36] <tga> I have no idea
[10:36] <thoreauputic> No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
[10:36] <tga> ntsysv? :)
[10:36] <Panzerboy> cause that update-rc.d is so unintuitive :p
[10:36] <Panzerboy> yeah
[10:36] <Panzerboy> :)
[10:36] <spiral> hmmm... kde 3.4 is normally going to be released in almost 10 days... Do you know if it will be integrated in hoary ?
[10:36] <viper12> lmao x 10 thoreauputic .......my inbox does "thwaaaang........message for you sir!"
[10:36] <tga> at least it does the job
[10:37] <viper12> spiral......do a search on ubuntu web site for:  KUbuntu
[10:37] <thoreauputic> viper12: black helicopters - ETA 30seconds
[10:37] <viper12> lmao
[10:38] <viper12> you're not paranoid if THEY really ARE out to get you. ;)
[10:38] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:38] <thoreauputic> viper12: Everyone hates me because I'm paranoid
[10:38] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:39] <spiral> viper12: all right... I'll check with this :-)
[10:39] <viper12> "know thyself" is very important thoreauputic
[10:39] <viper12> heh heh.
[10:39] <thoreauputic> indeed ;-)
[10:39] <viper12> cool spiral.......the KUbuntu project is running in parallel with the main....with the KDE environment.
[10:40] <tga> the question is whether it's spiraling up or down
[10:40] <viper12> although I personally don't like KDE, its cool that the project is running, as 'viva la'difference is better than "you must run THIS". :)
[10:40] <tga> viva la flamewar
[10:40] <bob_> ttyl! :)
[10:41] <viper12> lmao tga.  (I said PERSONALLY)....not it 'sucks.  heh heh
[10:41] <aspro> Hello, I am running a fully updated hoary and I run XFCE as my DE, for some reason gnome-integrated apps seem to take forever to load up and azureus (java gtk program) doesnt load at all
[10:41] <mips> Help ! I just installed AMD64 Hoary, after doing the Nvidia install X wont start ?
[10:41] <xed> okay, so I'm avoiding Windows here
[10:41] <aspro> with a plain array-4 install they work perfectly
[10:41] <xed> I tried installing BitTornado onto #ubuntu
[10:41] <xed> err
[10:41] <spiral> viper12: this sounds quite nice :-)
[10:41] <xed> Ubuntu*
[10:41] <thoreauputic> xed: good man :)
[10:41] <johnnybe1ak> mips: whats the error?
[10:41] <uMkulu> the error is something like couldn't load my gnome..
[10:42] <viper12> aspro........are you using xorg + fglrx?
[10:42] <viper12> thought you'd like that spiral.
[10:42] <aspro> xorg + nvidia, it only happens to select gtk apps
[10:42] <mips> johnnybe1ak, says it cannot start the x server
[10:42] <thoreauputic> hmm uMkulu has some bot problems...
[10:42] <xed> So.. I can't find where it went
[10:42] <xed> bittornado that
[10:42] <xed> is
[10:43] <tga> uMkulu: mumu?
[10:43] <uMkulu> mumu is good
[10:43] <viper12> aspro there are known issues with the latest xorg and the fglrx (nvidia) drivers.......which are causing redraw and other issues...tis possible that's whats causing the problems.
[10:43] <thoreauputic> hi uMkulu :)
[10:43] <xed> where'd bittornado go?
[10:43] <xed> I installed it.. and it went poof.. bye bye. it went away
[10:43] <xed> =(
[10:43] <xed> Now I'm sad
[10:44] <aspro> hmm okay, but this isnt redraw, its like not doing a thing for around 2 minutes or so
[10:44] <thoreauputic> xed: try `locate bittornado`
[10:44] <Dmitrifluitman> I know it's OK to be a newbie
[10:44] <Dmitrifluitman> but it still feels odd :D
[10:45] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: no, it's not :-)
[10:45] <Dmitrifluitman> oh...
[10:45] <viper12> its also possible that being hoary and development something has been borked when running another environment and loading the gnome libraries to run the apps.
[10:45] <Dmitrifluitman> then I'll leave
[10:45] <Panzerboy> all newbies will be punished :D
[10:45] <xed> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:45] <xed> that ..isn't good
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Kill the newbie !! ;-)
[10:45] <tga> other than scaling my frequency all the way down what else can I do to prevent my laptop fan from starting?
[10:45] <Dmitrifluitman> hehehe
[10:45] <xed> I'm dead =(
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Dmitrifluitman: what's the problem?
[10:45] <uMkulu> the problem is i cant open it via menu
[10:45] <flange> tga: use it in the fridge? ;)
[10:45] <Panzerboy> lol
[10:45] <Dmitrifluitman> I installed ubuntu just yesterday
[10:45] <thoreauputic> xed: sudo updatedb && locate bittornado
[10:46] <Dmitrifluitman> now I want to install a ftp prog
[10:46] <Panzerboy> my gnome-volume-manager just crashed
[10:46] <thoreauputic> and ignore the "error"
[10:46] <tga> I remember it being a lot quieter with the ACPI processor module loaded, but that was back on Gentoo
[10:46] <Dmitrifluitman> I've got the .gz
[10:46] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:46] <viper12> aspro, have you checked the hoary forums regarding this?  you may wanna post the problem there....may alert someone to a problem.
[10:46] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: very good lecture
[10:46] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: not the .gx
[10:46] <Panzerboy> gz
[10:46] <Panzerboy> c'mon man, this is debian
[10:46] <tga> .cx
[10:46] <Panzerboy> :)
[10:46] <Panzerboy> no more gx
[10:46] <Panzerboy> gz lol
[10:46] <Panzerboy> tga: :)
[10:47] <xed> Umm.. okay that did.. nothing thoreauputic
[10:47] <aspro> viper12, i checked the forums, will post something about it
[10:47] <Dmitrifluitman> no it's a bz2
[10:47] <Dmitrifluitman> But I'll just read :)
[10:47] <thoreauputic> xed: did you let it run? It takes several minutes
[10:47] <xed> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:47] <xed> and it just blinks...
[10:47] <xed> blink..blink..blink
[10:47] <viper12> nods....seeing that the apps DO run eventually, sounds like a library issue or a call, but that would be damn hard to suss out.
[10:47] <xed> well that might explain why my CPU frequency just went up
[10:47] <thoreauputic> xed , it's running
[10:47] <viper12> or easy......but murphy says 'hard'.
[10:48] <xed> okay so now its done
[10:48] <xed> ...
[10:48] <thoreauputic> xed, you won't see anything
[10:48] <xed> I see...some things
[10:48] <xed> its done..
[10:48] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: what ftp client are you trying to install ?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> so now `locate bittornado` or whatever
[10:48] <thoreauputic> you should see a list of stuff
[10:48] <xed> yep
[10:48] <xed> I see the list
[10:48] <Dmitrifluitman> panzerboy kbear
[10:49] <saif> hello every1
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> hi
[10:49] <uMkulu> bonjour, Dmitrifluitman
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> hehehe
[10:49] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: is that kde based?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> xed: look for something in /usr/bin
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> moment :)
[10:49] <xed> I see a few things, thoreauputic
[10:49] <thoreauputic> xed; that's where the executable usually lands
[10:49] <Panzerboy> i guess, since the name starts with k :P
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> panzerboy yes
[10:49] <xed> what ..wait-- wha?
[10:49] <Dmitrifluitman> http://kbear.sourceforge.net/
[10:50] <thoreauputic> anyone know the command for bittornado? I don't...
[10:50] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: well then, you have to read that guide
[10:50] <Panzerboy> Dmitrifluitman: it will teach you how to add new repositories
[10:50] <Panzerboy> because i guess that kbear depends on some kdelibs
[10:50] <xed> Where is Desktop located, in the file system?
[10:50] <tga> kbeer?
[10:50] <tga> xed: /home/xed/Desktop
[10:50] <Panzerboy> which are not installed by default, given the fact that Ubuntu is a gnome distro
[10:51] <saif> hehe, i just installed ubuntu warty and it asked me if i wish to download software from the internet and i said yes, how long is this gonna take approx.? on a 128 connection?
[10:51] <tga> saif: a long time
[10:51] <Panzerboy> saif: a loooong time :P
[10:51] <xed> sweeeetttt
[10:51] <Dmitrifluitman> panzerboy Thnx
[10:51] <Panzerboy> go get a beer, or smth
[10:51] <xed> got bittornado working
[10:51] <Panzerboy> and relax
[10:51] <viper12> welp, eyeball-burn sets in.  take care all. :)
[10:51] <thoreauputic> saif: make your will now ;-)
[10:52] <tga> saif: the good news is that you can stop it and continue dowloading later
[10:52] <xed> now to figure out a way to put a shortcut on desktop
[10:52] <Panzerboy> bbl people
[10:52] <saif> yeah, too bad they use gnome, i really prefer kde
[10:52] <Panzerboy> saif: see KUbuntu
[10:52] <thoreauputic> saif: you can get it if you want
[10:52] <mips> Help ! I just installed AMD64 Hoary, after doing the Nvidia install X wont start ? Anybody ?
[10:52] <Panzerboy> saif: some .iso was released yesterday, or the day before
[10:53] <tga> mips: did you modprobe nvidia?
[10:53] <mips> tga, no, im new to this, no idea what modprobe is
[10:53] <thoreauputic> xed: right click, new launcher , type command, choose icon
[10:53] <zxccv> http://www.tcpsecurity.com
[10:53] <spiral> hmmm... if I try adding the kubuntu repo for kde 3.4 testing and updating, it wants to remove package kde & kdeartwork... is it normal ?
[10:54] <mips> tga, ok, changed my xorg.conf back to "nv" driver and now I can get X up
[10:54] <xed> thoreauputic, done
[10:54] <brosio> anyone can me explain the different beetween hoary and warty ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> xed: :)
[10:54] <xed> now to figure out why tornado isn't connecting to trackers..
[10:54] <brosio> warty=stable ?
[10:54] <brosio> hoary=unstable ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> brosio: yep
[10:54] <spiral> brosio: hoary is the next release...
[10:54] <spiral> brosio: yeah, unstable for now
[10:54] <brosio> spiral exist also a testing
[10:54] <brosio> ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> brosio: no
[10:55] <thoreauputic> brosio: warty, hoary
[10:55] <thoreauputic> so far
[10:55] <brosio> so the release with more recently package is hoary ?
[10:55] <spiral> brosio: yes
[10:55] <xed> where are my other partitions in the file system?
[10:55] <xed> I have a shortcut on desktop..
[10:55] <brosio> ok perfect i'll add it during the apt-setup thx
[10:55] <brosio> :)
[10:55] <thoreauputic> it isn't released as such: still developing
[10:56] <thoreauputic> xed, what is the connection between partitions and your question?
[10:56] <Tzi> Hi! =)
[10:57] <thoreauputic> xed, what are you wanting to do?
[10:57] <Tzi> I've just set up Ubuntu on a machine with an i740 video card.. the display is extremely slow - Windows redraw very slowly, in a vertical wipe...
[10:57] <xed> wait wait
[10:57] <xed> there it is
[10:57] <Tzi> Does anyone know what I need to do?
[10:57] <xed> I opened up an unfinished torrent
[10:57] <xed> located where it was on my other partition
[10:57] <xed> now resuming it
[10:57] <xed> and wondering why it isn't connecting to any trackers..
[10:57] <saif> Panzerboy thanx! i am current;ly using hoary and i got used to it, and everyhting is runing fine, and i don't want anything to get messed up, is there a possiblity of messing this up by installing kubuntu?
[10:59] <xed> so powernowd lets me control cpu frequency manually?
[10:59] <Tzi> Hmm... maybe 16 bit
[10:59] <xed> o..k.. so this isn't working..
[10:59] <xed> waaait waaait
[10:59] <xed> huzzaaah
[10:59] <xed> except its uploading massively
[10:59] <xed> I think I might need to do some DMZ setup thingy
[11:00] <thoreauputic> xed: you specialise in stream-of-consciousness?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> ;)
[11:00] <xed> ...not sure
[11:00] <xed> But now I need to figure out what my IP is... network ip
[11:01] <xed> I'm going to put on me downloads and go to sleep
[11:01] <xed> 4:00 am here
[11:01] <xed> or 5:00
[11:01] <xed> not sure if the clock on ubuntu is accurate
[11:01] <xed> thanks for all the help/patience thoreauputic
[11:02] <xed> Take care.
[11:02] <thoreauputic> sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[11:02] <thoreauputic> xed: you're welcome - sleep well
[11:02] <xed> adios
[11:02] <thoreauputic> au revoir
[11:03] <laxise> help pls ... i need to install mc ... how to do it
[11:03] <tga> laxise: sudo apt-get install mc
[11:03] <thoreauputic> laxise: you might need to enable the universe repository
[11:04] <laxise> but i need to download a package with mc
[11:04] <thoreauputic> and we just told you how to get mc
[11:04] <thoreauputic> 1) enable universe 2)  sudo apt-get install mc
[11:05] <laxise> enable universe ??? what is that supposed to mean???
[11:05] <laxise> im just startung with linux
[11:05] <thoreauputic> laxise: OK
[11:06] <laxise> starting
[11:06] <thoreauputic> laxise: do you know the package manager (synaptic) ?
[11:06] <tga> laxise: use Synaptic, the package manager GUI
[11:06] <laxise> no i dont
[11:07] <thoreauputic> computer >> system configuration>> synaptic package manager
[11:07] <thoreauputic> in settings, find repositories
[11:07] <laxise> i already found it by typing synaptic into a terminal
[11:07] <thoreauputic> check univers, then hit the reload button
[11:08] <thoreauputic> OK
[11:08] <thoreauputic> in settings, find repositories
[11:08] <Echylo> how to unblock somebody in gaim?
[11:08] <laxise> ok wait
[11:08] <thoreauputic> laxise: check universe, (and everything else, I suggest)
[11:09] <laxise> ok
[11:10] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: howto
[11:10] <uMkulu> howto is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15 for a listing of useful howtos and frequently asked questions
[11:10] <thoreauputic> laxise: ^^^^
[11:10] <thoreauputic> uMkulu is a bot BTW
[11:10] <jm> hello
[11:11] <spiral> hmmm... reboot...
[11:13] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[11:13] <uMkulu> keywords is australia backports be  bugzilla free french games german google restricted guide drx howto topic faq support forum drivers reconfigure restart root spanish man
[11:14] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: faq
[11:14] <uMkulu> faq is the Frequently Asked Questions about Ubuntu at  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[11:14] <laxise> thoreauputic>>> thx
[11:14] <thoreauputic> laxise: no worries :) Come back if you have problems :)
[11:14] <laxise> ok ill do it for sure
[11:14] <laxise> :)
[11:14] <thoreauputic> laxise: also you might look at this
[11:14] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: guide
[11:14] <uMkulu> guide is the official Ubuntu guide at http://ubuntuguide.org - for help with restricted formats, mplayer and all manner of other helpful stuff.....
[11:15] <mips> Ok, I'm hurting myself here. I cannot get Nvidia drivers to work on HoaryAMD64
[11:15] <mips> I have followed all instructions but to no avail
[11:15] <unamaus> could someone explain to me how to configure fglrx for dual head on a radeon
[11:16] <mips> unamaus, so seem to be a few steps ahead of me !?
[11:17] <Echylo> hey how do you unblock somebody on gaim?? I speak to someone I blocked, but I'm still offline at his side
[11:17] <unamaus> mips actually you are way ahead of me, i can't even get the fglrx to show in the first place
[11:17] <mips> I uncomented the source.list file, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get install nvidia, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable (which does nothing
[11:17] <Echylo> have you restarted gnome?
[11:17] <mips> unamaus, lol, what is fglrx ?
[11:18] <mips> echylo, who you asking ?
[11:18] <Echylo> you
[11:18] <Echylo> and I need to know how to unblock some1 in gaim
[11:18] <mips> I cant start gnome as X wont load
[11:18] <unamaus> ati graphics accelerator driver
[11:19] <mips> I cannot do a modprobe nvidia, it tells me unkown module
[11:19] <unamaus> did an apt get for all 3 (control)(driver)(driver dev)
[11:19] <spiral> whoah... this works well :-)
[11:19] <spiral> I like kde 3.4 & kubuntu :-)
[11:19] <unamaus> its for ati radeon which apparently doesn't seem to work for me, but i blame myself for being a noob
[11:20] <mips> my head is going to blead from all the banging, lol
[11:20] <unamaus> whoa i just realized i can't play any launch.yahoo.com stuff
[11:20] <unamaus> interesting
[11:20] <mips> unamus, running hoary ?
[11:21] <unamaus> warty
[11:21] <mips> 32 or 64 bit ?
[11:21] <unamaus> 32
[11:21] <mips> should be a walk in th park
[11:21] <unamaus> someone told be to stick to 32 even tho i use xeons
[11:22] <unamaus> mips i wish it was heh but i don't know where to begin, i thought the synaptics would install the then viola
[11:23] <mips> have you tried the 64bit version ? With Warty I could not even install the 64bit version, at least with hoary things work, just cannot install the drivers for nvidia
[11:23] <unamaus> i was told not to use the 64 by a fellow dual xeon user
[11:24] <unamaus> so i should upgrade kernel to 64?
[11:24] <mips> any other opinions about xeons from here. Would it hurt to try ? You can always go back
[11:24] <unamaus> true
[11:24] <unamaus> hmm
[11:25] <mips> lol, suppose i planted a seed
[11:27] <unamaus> hmm what exactly am i looking for?
[11:27] <danboid> hi!
[11:28] <unamaus> ah linux 686 smp
[11:28] <unamaus> ok now what?
[11:28] <danboid> I've noticed KDE 3.4 packages have been released for ubuntu- whats the repository entry look like?
[11:28] <laxise> i have a small problem ... how to create a shortcut for an application i my bar ... i just donloaded it but i do not want to run it through the run application terminal
[11:28] <unamaus> nautilus?
[11:28] <uMkulu> nautilus is probably foobar at FTP *GG*
[11:29] <mips> unamuus, maybe just get the ISO and start from scratch ?
[11:29] <coroner> what does the CC is not in your path, please make sure GCC is install (which it is) ? trying to install the nvidia drivers
[11:29] <unamaus> oh
[11:29] <thoreauputic> laxise: right click desktop, new launcher, type command
[11:29] <unamaus> ok
[11:29] <laxise> ok thx
[11:29] <thoreauputic> laxise: or right click panel, custom launcher
[11:29] <mips> unamaus, just for the record, I'm a noob, so dont take my word as gospel
[11:30] <thoreauputic> laxise: under add to panel I think
[11:31] <unamaus> u r certain configuration for dual head would be better under 64bit?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: be
[11:31] <uMkulu> be is sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:31] <thoreauputic> coroner: ^^^
[11:31] <unamaus> anyone here use dual monitors?
[11:32] <coroner> thoreauputic, how far up exactly?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> coroner: sorry, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:32] <min> is there any way to get sound to work through ssh?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> but if you already have, I don't know
[11:33] <min> i'm running vlc through an ssh connection in text mode, and i've got the text displaying, but no sound
[11:33] <coroner> okay thanks thoreauputic is that it ?, ill drop back to the console and try it now
[11:34] <thoreauputic> coroner: it's a meta-package that gets stuff needed for compiling etc
[11:34] <thoreauputic> corner: could help
[11:34] <coroner> thanks ill give it a burl and let you know how i go
[11:34] <unamaus> hmm
[11:34] <unamaus> does anyone here use dual monitors?
[11:36] <png`> png|yemek
[11:36] <mips> unamaus, I have no clue about dual monitors, can only afford one.
[11:36] <mips> where does one find the output of the failed X startup, I need to pasted it into the forums
[11:38] <bob_> what do I have to copy fron an mozilla-thunderbird on XP to my ubuntu machine to get my old mail?
[11:38] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys whats a good program for ripping streaming audio?
[11:38] <MyNameIsChris> mips: /var/log
[11:38] <MyNameIsChris> All your logs are there
[11:38] <mips> thansk !!!
[11:39] <johnnybe1ak> mips it will normally be written in the console from which you tried to startx
[11:40] <bob_> it doesn't seem to have quite the same file layout...
[11:41] <bob_> somebody know how to remove the lock file from mozilla-thunderbird? where is it? :)
[11:41] <Tomcat_> bob_: Lock files are usually in /var/lock
[11:42] <unamaus> does ubuntu support dual processing?
[11:42] <Tomcat_> unamaus: Yes.
[11:42] <MyNameIsChris> I am smping now
[11:42] <schasi> There is a smpkernel for ubu?
[11:42] <bob_> Tomcat_, ok but in this case it's because I tried to copy a profile from my XP mozilla-thunderbird to ubuntu.. and it says it's locked when starting up thunderbird..
[11:42] <MyNameIsChris> Yes
[11:43] <schasi> On what kind of machine MyNameIsChris ?
[11:43] <unamaus> why does it not show in the system monitor?
[11:43] <Tomcat_> bob_: Then close your XP tb, then copy again? :)
[11:43] <MyNameIsChris> ht lga pentium 4
[11:43] <bob_> Tomcat_, ok you mean if it failed to close.. maybe have to reboot then :)
[11:43] <MyNameIsChris> I'll find the package name and you can apt it
[11:44] <schasi> Is there any difference if you run a non-smb and a smp kernel MyNameIsChris?
[11:44] <MyNameIsChris> Well your system won't be used to its full potential
[11:44] <bob_> Tomcat_, think I did close it before booting. but I'll try. thanx
[11:44] <MyNameIsChris> Plus, you get a longer /proc/cpuinfo than everyone else
[11:45] <schasi> Does that make any difference?
[11:45] <schasi> Well that's certaninly worth it ;-)
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> lol, what kind of machine do you have?
[11:45] <schasi> Athlon xp 1700
[11:45] <schasi> With windows xp on it
[11:46] <unamaus> dual xeon
[11:46] <schasi> unamaus: the ones with ht?
[11:47] <schasi> unamaus: Isnt that a bit expensive for a desktop system?
[11:47] <MyNameIsChris> It will be fine with the stock kernel but once you set up your repos apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-686-smp or whatever is newer
[11:47] <unamaus> no
[11:47] <unamaus> my itanium cost me an arm and a leg
[11:47] <unamaus> yeah got that one already
[11:48] <unamaus> but it still doesn't show in the system monitor
[11:48] <bob_> how do I upgrade my packages.. tried apt-get update
[11:48] <dark> http://www.tcpsecurity.com/
[11:48] <bob_> coz I get 0.8 of thunderbird... :(
[11:48] <schasi> What do own a dual xeon for?
[11:49] <goldfish_> lol
[11:49] <unamaus> they run colder than regular p4
[11:49] <MyNameIsChris> Well, I have to go before I fall asleep on my keyboard
[11:49] <unamaus> and i do alot of dbase
[11:49] <MyNameIsChris> Bye all
[11:49] <unamaus> by
[11:49] <unamaus> bye
[11:49] <schasi> Ah thats more like a reason
[11:50] <AlfaWolph> anyone know if the reiserfs in the ubuntu install is version 4?
[11:51] <johnnybe1ak> any of you guys used streamripper
[11:52] <jintxo> AlfaWolph, I really doubt it, I don't think reiser4 has made it into mainstream kernel
[11:52] <AlfaWolph> gotcha
[11:53] <unamaus> i also prefer scsi and although ubuntu recognizes in the terminal i can't get them to mount
[11:55] <Tzi> Hi =) Does anyone know of a solution to the corruption behind the mouse cursor when accel is enabled with the i740?
[11:59] <laxise> what is a good firewall and a good antivirus programm for linux?????
[11:59] <jintxo> Tzi, haven't had a intel 740 for a long time, but maybe you can use the option "HwCursor" "false" in the XF86Config file (or even "SWCursor" "true") to see if it makes any difference
[12:00] <_demian_> dutchy :)
[12:00] <Tzi> jintxo: I did actually give that a try, with little success =)
[12:00] <jintxo> dang
[12:00] <laxise> what is a good firewall for linux?????
[12:00] <laxise> what is a good firewall for linux?????
[12:00] <_4strO> iptable :p
[12:00] <Tzi> Actually, wait... I just did option HWcursor
[12:00] <njs12345> this might be a bit of an obvious question
[12:00] <Tzi> As opposed to Option HWCursor false =)
[12:00] <njs12345> but how can I install ubuntu as a server?
[12:01] <jintxo> Tzi, you set it to true and false, both ways and seee if there's a difference?
[12:01] <Tzi> I'll try it =)
[12:01] <Tzi> Cheers!
[12:01] <jintxo> excellent, good luck
[12:01] <Tzi> Thanks =)
[12:02] <jintxo> njs12345, well you don't actually insall it as a server, you just install it and then install whatever services you want it to run
[12:02] <njs12345> oh
[12:02] <njs12345> ok
[12:02] <njs12345> I was just wondering.. that's ok, I guess
[12:03] <jintxo> njs12345, you want to do anyhting specific with it (dns, dhcp, whatever)?
[12:07] <Quarupt> i wonder
[12:07] <njs12345> jintxo: I'm going to set it up as a router for my home network
[12:08] <njs12345> I'm absolutely positive it'll do a better job of it then Windoze does atm ;)
[12:09] <jintxo> njs12345, for that you really don't need to much, is it going to do nat? I think you'll need to learn som iptables for that. I don'thave any experience with iptables (I use *BSD for the routers) but I understand it's fairly easy :-)
[12:10] <Quarupt> man how hard can it be to find this page
[12:10] <Quarupt> i was there like 6 days ago
[12:10] <njs12345> jintxo: I've done some iptables before, it's fairly insanely eas
[12:10] <njs12345> *easy
[12:10] <Quarupt> there is a webpage where you can download the limewire pro rpm
[12:10] <njs12345> I found a howto and set up a basic NAT in something like 20 secs before ;)
[12:10] <Quarupt> and its on the limewire site
[12:10] <Quarupt> somewhere
[12:11] <jintxo> njs12345, great, I don't htink you'll have any problems then :-p
[12:11] <njs12345> it'll also do DHCP as well, which I have no experience with, but hopefully it's not too hard
[12:11] <jintxo> just out of curiosity, I ran into a floppy linux router distro the other day that looked nice, coyote linux
[12:12] <njs12345> anyone here have a fujitsu fdx310 ADSL modem?
[12:12] <jintxo> njs12345, dhcp is easy, just edit 1 config file (after apt-get install dhcpd)
[12:12] <njs12345> from what I can see, that's going to be the hardest to set up.. (the ADSL itself)
[12:12] <njs12345> I've found http://dsl-linux.tripod.com/index/
[12:13] <njs12345> but that looks pretty outdated..
[12:13] <saif> njs12345 is that modem using ethernet or usb?
[12:13] <njs12345> usb
[12:13] <njs12345> and yeah, it's kinda crappy
[12:13] <saif> njs12345 can't help u with that! :)
[12:13] <njs12345> why, is there an ethernet version of that modem?
[12:14] <saif> njs12345 i donno, coz if it was ethernet whatever it is, it's easy to setup adsl. i have no knowldge on how to set up usb modems, and don't anything about your modem, sorry!
[12:14] <njs12345> oh, that's fine, I guess
[12:14] <njs12345> it doesn't look too hard to set up, at least
[12:15] <njs12345> I just hope the drivers aren't for linux 2.4
[12:19] <bob_> saif, I have ethernet adsl and it wasn't very easy setting up. still is very slow...
[12:22] <trukulo> if anyone is bored, can help me with a problem in my graphic card, an ati igp 320M (U1)
[12:22] <trukulo> i'm getting crazy with 3d acceleration
[12:22] <scizzo> Is it a very known problem that nvidia drivers and xorg is not working fine under hoary?
[12:22] <trukulo> scizzo, what kernel are you using?
[12:22] <scizzo> my ATI card and xorg is working just fine.....everything is smooth with that
[12:22] <scizzo> 2.6.10-4
[12:23] <trukulo> scizzo, igp cards have problems with 3d
[12:23] <jintxo> scizzo, works OK for me, but not with the nvidia-glx stuff, I just user the nvidia installer from nvidia.com, no problems so far
[12:23] <unamaus> scizzo u using dual monitors?
[12:23] <trukulo> scizzo, i suposse you read ubuntuforums about nvidia drivers, isn't it ?
[12:23] <scizzo> unamaus: no
[12:23] <unamaus> oh
[12:23] <trukulo> have you installed nvidia drivers from universe
[12:23] <trukulo> restricted kernel package ?
[12:23] <scizzo> no not really....I think it is more the fact that xorg is eating the CPU a bit
[12:24] <scizzo> trukulo: yes
[12:24] <trukulo> what card do you have?
[12:25] <trukulo> and don't tell me ace of hearts
[12:25] <trukulo> ;)
[12:25] <scizzo> GeForce4 Ti 4200
[12:26] <trukulo> scizzo, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11671
[12:26] <_demian_> hmmmz
[12:26] <_demian_> It doesn't work
[12:26] <trukulo> no
[12:26] <_demian_> mounting the ntfs drive for example
[12:27] <_demian_> I follow the directions precise
[12:27] <_demian_> and still it doesn't work :(
[12:27] <trukulo> works for me
[12:27] <trukulo> ntfs mount works for me in hoary
[12:28] <_demian_> what's hoary?
[12:28] <uMkulu> i think hoary is released in April, and is the development branch of Ubuntu until then
[12:28] <trukulo> _demian_, next version of ubuntu, development one, but it worked to me in hoary too
[12:29] <_demian_> is see
[12:29] <scizzo> trukulo: known issue then... :)
[12:29] <_demian_> released in april :)
[12:29] <trukulo> if you want to mount it with user perms, you have to modify /etc/fstab with uid options
[12:29] <scizzo> trukulo: thought it might be something like that....because of the other machine working fine with Xorg so...
[12:29] <trukulo> scizzo, yes
[12:29] <_demian_> on the site it says
[12:29] <scizzo> trukulo: lets just hope that xorg is going to be developed more and the drivers from nvidia are updated a little more also... :)
[12:29] <trukulo> scizzo, xorg works well here, but without 3d, known issue too, but with livecd glxinfo said to me i have 3d
[12:29] <trukulo> is very strange
[12:30] <_demian_>  $ sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[12:30] <trukulo> scizzo, yes, it's a binary driver problem
[12:30] <_demian_> and it doesn't work
[12:30] <_demian_> I made the media/windows dir ofcourse
[12:30] <trukulo> do you have /media/windows created with correct perms ? 777
[12:30] <_demian_> oh...
[12:30] <trukulo> :)
[12:30] <jintxo> it's working fine for me (not with ubuntus nvidia-glx or restricted modules, but the installer from nividia.com). I'm using a custom built kernel, though so that may be why...
[12:30] <_demian_> good point :)
[12:30] <_demian_> how do I change perms ?
[12:31] <trukulo> jintxo, kernel 2.6.10 of hoary has known problems with nvidia
[12:31] <trukulo> _demian_, sudo chmod 777 /media/windows
[12:31] <jintxo> trukulo, ah, so that's why it works ok for me :-)
[12:31] <ntoll> _demian_, try a different hair dresser? :-P
[12:31] <trukulo> jintxo, porbably
[12:32] <scizzo> trukulo: I like the ati stuff....its easy to setupd
[12:32] <scizzo> trukulo: -d
[12:32] <_demian_> ntoll I will :P
[12:32] <_demian_> butehm... it says it doesnt know the directory /media/windows
[12:32] <ntoll> ok... I've googled on this but can't seem to find the info I need. Basically, what is the status of PHP5 in Ubuntu. PHP5 has been out quite a while and although Warty comes with PHP4 how do I check whats coming in Hoary?
[12:33] <trukulo> scizzo, not with igp cards
[12:33] <trukulo> php5 it's in hoary
[12:34] <ntoll> I want to do some web development with Prado (which requires PHP5) AND use my fav. linux distro at the same time (have my cake and eat it)
[12:34] <trukulo> v   php5                            -
[12:34] <trukulo> v   php5-cgi                        -
[12:34] <trukulo> v   php5-cli                        -
[12:34] <trukulo> v   php5-gd                         -
[12:34] <trukulo> v   php5-mysql                      -
[12:34] <trukulo> v   php5-mysqli                     -
[12:34] <ntoll> trukulo, excellent! How did you find that out?
[12:34] <trukulo> so install hoary in a test machine
[12:34] <trukulo> ntoll, i'm in hoaru: aptitude search php5
[12:34] <ntoll> trukulo, is that like in regular debian? just do a dist upgrade
[12:34] <trukulo> yes
[12:35] <trukulo> change apt-sources , and dist-upgrade
[12:35] <uMkulu> trukulo: that doesn't look right
[12:35] <_demian_> mount: mount point /media/windows does not exist
[12:35] <trukulo> uMkulu ?
[12:35] <uMkulu> trukulo?
[12:35] <_demian_> grmbl
[12:35] <scizzo> trukulo: thanks for the help.. :)
[12:35] <trukulo> uMkulu, is right
[12:35] <trukulo> it's a virtual package, not a real one
[12:35] <Dutchy> (12:00:41) (_demian_) dutchy :) <= ?
[12:35] <_demian_> I'm dutch :)
[12:36] <trukulo> ntoll, there's no php5 i'm hoary yet
[12:36] <_demian_> nice to see another one ;)
[12:36] <Dutchy> lol
[12:36] <trukulo> _demian_, use /mnt/windows
[12:36] <_demian_> you know anything about ubuntu?
[12:36] <trukulo> don't use /media
[12:36] <trukulo> it's not a removable drive, correct path is /mnt/windows
[12:36] <_demian_> trukulo, thnx
[12:37] <trukulo> works the same, but mnt is more logical
[12:37] <darkk> http://www.tcpsecurity.com/
[12:38] <trukulo> so, no one can help me with my ati igp problem?
[12:38] <trukulo> i supossed it, it's very strange
[12:39] <ntoll> trukulo, thanks for the help
[12:39] <trukulo> ntoll, wou're wellcome
[12:41] <Quarupt> howcome something works when i type it in the terminal as any user, but if i try to make a launcher it doesnt?
[12:42] <trukulo> Quarupt, use full path: /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox i.e.
[12:42] <pc03> an often asked question..
[12:43] <pc03> from a clean system point of view.. what do i install mplayer or xine or totem-xine
[12:43] <trukulo> pc03, i, for myself, install the 3
[12:44] <trukulo> i use all of them, for different things
[12:44] <Quarupt> trukulo, i put /usr/bin/limewire still didnt work
[12:44] <_demian_> mkdir windows 777 is making a dir with all perms right?
[12:44] <Quarupt> but works from a terminal?
[12:44] <trukulo> Quarupt, write in shell: whereis limewire
[12:44] <trukulo> _demian_, right
[12:44] <Quarupt> it there
[12:44] <_demian_> cool
[12:44] <Quarupt> /usr/bin/limewire
[12:45] <trukulo> Quarupt, umm, strange
[12:45] <Quarupt> ?
[12:45] <Quarupt> so...
[12:45] <trukulo> so don't know
[12:45] <trukulo> limewire is a debian package?
[12:45] <Quarupt> no
[12:45] <Quarupt> i had to build it
[12:46] <Quarupt> but this doesnt make sense
[12:46] <Quarupt> it runs fine from a terminal
[12:46] <trukulo> you're right, it's very strange
[12:46] <Quarupt> must be a java thing
[12:46] <trukulo> it uses java?
[12:46] <orp> is not a trojam like kazza
[12:46] <trukulo> cat /usr/bin/limewire
[12:46] <trukulo> it's a binary or a script?
[12:47] <Quarupt> #!/bin/bash
[12:47] <Quarupt> cd /usr/lib/LimeWire
[12:47] <Quarupt> sh runLime.sh
[12:47] <Quarupt> sean@UBunBOX:~ $
[12:47] <Quarupt> script
[12:47] <trukulo> there you have
[12:47] <Quarupt> so
[12:47] <trukulo> it's using sh
[12:47] <Quarupt> theres no way to make it work without a terminal?
[12:47] <trukulo> so make a new script
[12:48] <Quarupt> i dunno how
[12:48] <trukulo> make launcher working directory: /usr/lib/LimeWire
[12:48] <trukulo> chmod 755 runLime.sh
[12:48] <trukulo> and execute /usr/lib/LimeWire/runLime.sh
[12:49] <trukulo> instead of /usr/bin/limewire
[12:49] <Quarupt> lol so i will stil have to use a terminal
[12:49] <pc03> trukulo. thx. thought that mplayer would cover everything..
[12:49] <trukulo> Quarupt, only for configuring it
[12:49] <trukulo> pc03, yes, but i prefer totem , and xine for movies with subtitles
[12:50] <trukulo> as i said, it's a matter of personal likes
[12:50] <brosio> but why ubuntu by default install gnome ?
[12:50] <brosio> xchat and many program without ask ?
[12:51] <trukulo> brosio, because they decided it
[12:51] <trukulo> it's the default behaviour
[12:51] <trukulo> use expert install if you prefer
[12:51] <_4strO> it's the 'distribution' function
[12:51] <_4strO> choice some paquage
[12:51] <brosio> trukulo, i chose expert
[12:52] <brosio> but after selected apt source
[12:52] <brosio> it began to install many shit
[12:52] <trukulo> brosio, it's a desktop distribution
[12:52] <trukulo> it installs desktop applications
[12:52] <trukulo> in next releases, they will make server version of ubuntu
[12:53] <_4strO> hh
[12:53] <trukulo> anway, if you prefer to choose everything, just use debian sarge
[12:53] <Quarupt> trukulo, how do ya make the launchers working directory?
[12:53] <brosio> trukulo, fuck ubuntu i'll reboot to debian pure64 ;)
[12:53] <brosio> anyway thx for the explaination
[12:53] <brosio> bye
[12:54] <trukulo> Quarupt, don't know well, in properties, i don't use limewire nor any program like that
[12:54] <trukulo> brosio, ubuntu is not for everyone, as any other distro
[12:54] <Quarupt> all i get in the launcher is description command and comment
[12:54] <trukulo> it has a target use
[12:54] <trukulo> Quarupt, so don't know
[12:54] <Quarupt> what?
[12:55] <trukulo> but it's a problem of limewire executable
[12:55] <Quarupt> cant i just amke a symlink?
[12:55] <trukulo> it's very ... stupid
[12:55] <trukulo> no, you can't
[12:55] <Quarupt> no cause it runs olay from terminal
[12:55] <Quarupt> all i do is type ./runLime.sh
[12:55] <trukulo> but you need a working directory
[12:56] <trukulo> that's stupid
[12:56] <Quarupt> so can i make a script and put it on my desktop?
[12:56] <trukulo> perhaps
[12:56] <Quarupt> and then click it
[12:56] <trukulo> Quarupt, but i can't help you
[12:56] <Quarupt> what would the script say?
[12:56] <Quarupt> why?
[12:56] <trukulo> you have to look at it
[12:56] <_demian_> where can i find a list with all commands for the terminal?
[12:56] <Quarupt> i dunno how to write a script
[12:57] <trukulo> because i don't have that program and don't know how to use it
[12:57] <trukulo> anyway, why use limewire?
[12:57] <trukulo> don't you prefer amule ?
[12:57] <trukulo> or emule?
[12:57] <uMkulu> somebody said emule was win
[12:57] <Echylo> amule sucky :P
[12:57] <Quarupt> cause its faster and better that gtk-gnutella
[12:57] <Quarupt> way faster than any mule program
[12:57] <Echylo> amule won't download anything here at fast speeds
[12:57] <_demian_> true
[12:57] <_demian_> and queue's are long
[12:57] <Echylo> if I use torrent I get 300 kbs
[12:57] <trukulo> so Quarupt , you have to do the script
[12:57] <Quarupt> limewire is the best p2p there is no question
[12:57] <_demian_> yeah use torrent
[12:58] <Quarupt> i dunno how to write a script
[12:58] <trukulo> Quarupt, i prefer azureus
[12:58] <trukulo> Quarupt, then you have to learn
[12:58] <Echylo> I download 5,5gig music with torrent on 5 days
[12:58] <Quarupt> azureus is a toorent client
[12:58] <Echylo> I prefer bittornado
[12:58] <trukulo> i know it's a torrent client
[12:58] <Quarupt> torrent
[12:58] <Quarupt> not a p2p
[12:58] <trukulo> that's what i use
[12:58] <trukulo> it's p2p
[12:58] <trukulo> torrent is p2p
[12:59] <Quarupt> torrents are broken half the time and you have to search all over the web
[12:59] <trukulo> depend what you download
[12:59] <Quarupt> no
[12:59] <trukulo> i don't download music
[12:59] <Quarupt> you allways have to search the web
[12:59] <pc03> i'd say yes.
[12:59] <trukulo> yes
[12:59] <Quarupt> for any torrent
[12:59] <_demian_> Quarupt, www.torrentspy.com
[12:59] <pc03> look for a good torrent index site.
[12:59] <trukulo> Quarupt, you're right
[12:59] <Quarupt> half the trackers are allways down
[01:00] <trukulo> Quarupt, i agree with you
[01:00] <Quarupt> itys crap
[01:00] <pc03> there are lots, even after nova*
[01:00] <trukulo> but it's not a crap, it's a matter of what you want
[01:00] <Quarupt> and there constantly getting shut down
[01:00] <pc03> trukulo.. what do you suggest for p2p in linux..
[01:00] <Quarupt> and if there is a 3rd party involved its not considered p2p
[01:00] <trukulo> pc03, azureus
[01:00] <Quarupt> Torrent is not P@P
[01:01] <Quarupt> P2P
[01:01] <Quarupt> wiki p2p
[01:01] <Quarupt> it even says there
[01:01] <trukulo> Quarupt, p2p it's peer to peer, torrent works that way
[01:01] <Quarupt> no torrent relies on a 3rd party a tracker
[01:01] <Quarupt> so therefor its not a peer to peer
[01:01] <trukulo> i don't agree with you
[01:01] <pc03>  i have not tried anything else.. what would be number 2?
[01:01] <Quarupt> lol, agree with wiki
[01:01] <trukulo> communication it's peer to peer, but seeds rely on servers
[01:02] <Quarupt> thast redundant
[01:02] <universal> does someone know how to install nvidia drivers from nvidia.com in ubuntu?
[01:02] <Quarupt> peer to peer means you only need to connect to other peers not a tracker
[01:03] <trukulo> peer to peer means you download client-to-client
[01:03] <Quarupt> what do you allways have to put in the first line of a script
[01:03] <Quarupt> trukulo, just wiki it you will see your wrong
[01:04] <Quarupt> Torrents incolve three parties therefor they are not to be considered P2P
[01:04] <Quarupt> because you must remain connected to a tracker as well as the other peer(s)
[01:04] <Quarupt> Anyways call it whatever you want, its still crap
[01:05] <_demian_> the tracker is just a thing dat shows your pc where to find that file on other pc's
[01:05] <_demian_> hahaha
[01:05] <pc03> Quarupt. that is not correct.. you can disconnect from the tracker in a dl..
[01:05] <Quarupt> the MPAA is shutting one torrent search engine down a day
[01:05] <njs12345> bt is not truly p2p
[01:05] <Quarupt> thank you
[01:05] <pc03> the only thing is that no extra peers can connect when the tracker is down
[01:05] <Quarupt> Its not a P2P
[01:05] <trukulo> Quarupt, in wikipedia, torrent is an example of p2p
[01:05] <Quarupt> just look it up
[01:05] <Quarupt> you will see
[01:06] <Quarupt> no its not
[01:06] <Quarupt> I will get the url
[01:06] <njs12345> freenet is an example of p2p
[01:06] <trukulo> read it
[01:06] <Quarupt> 1 sec
[01:06] <pc03> does it matter?
[01:06] <trukulo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2p
[01:06] <trukulo> pc03, it's funny
[01:06] <Quarupt> lmao he is just flaming now
[01:06] <njs12345> hmm
[01:06] <trukulo> Quarupt, no, read it please
[01:06] <trukulo> i'm not flaming
[01:06] <_demian_> anyways.... can someone tell me where to find an overview of all commands in a termianl?
[01:06] <njs12345> according to wikipedia
[01:06] <njs12345>  A peer-to-peer (or P2P) computer network is any network that does not rely on dedicated servers for communication but instead mostly uses direct connections between clients (peers).
[01:06] <njs12345> note the word "mostly"
[01:07] <njs12345> so according to wikipedia bittorrent is p2p, because most of the connections are p2p
[01:07] <Quarupt> just give up he is to stuborn
[01:07] <trukulo> client and server relates to trasnfer connection
[01:07] <pc03> dont think peers are connected via the tracker..
[01:07] <pc03> tracker is only needed to identif oher peers
[01:07] <trukulo> seeds only made the communication betwen peers, transfer is pure peer to peer
[01:07] <apokryphos> Yes, tracker is only for locating torrents, like websites/forums.
[01:07] <Quarupt> but without it you have nothing
[01:08] <trukulo> Quarupt, that's right, but it's p2p
[01:08] <njs12345> yes
[01:08] <Quarupt> so therefor you are dependent of a 3rd party server to connect
[01:08] <trukulo> as a transfer protocol
[01:08] <Quarupt> now he is changing his story
[01:08] <trukulo> Quarupt, you need servers in emule
[01:08] <GoneBoB> ok
[01:08] <njs12345> however, BT is p2p "enough" for purposes.. it's diffiicult beyond belief to design a truly p2p system
[01:08] <trukulo> is it p2p as you need 3rd party?
[01:08] <GoneBoB> this whole thing is totally offtopic
[01:09] <GoneBoB> please take this discussion elsewhere
[01:09] <pc03> Quarupt.. that's true for every p2p.. at some point you need to identify your 1st other peer
[01:09] <Quarupt> nope
[01:09] <_demian_> anyways.... can someone tell me where to find an overview of all commands in a termianl?
[01:09] <Quarupt> thats not true
[01:09] <_demian_> dudes I need help :)
[01:09] <trukulo> edonkey have servers, emule too, it's the same as trackers
[01:09] <GoneBoB> _demian_: um... there are 1151 commands in /usr/bin alone
[01:09] <Quarupt> _demian_, you mean just basic bash commands or all the bins in your distro?
[01:09] <trukulo> _demian_, look for a newbie terminal guide on google: "commands linux"
[01:10] <Quarupt> trukulo, he just wants bash commands
[01:10] <_demian_> trukulo, you're right
[01:10] <Quarupt> not all his bins
[01:10] <_demian_> I don't know what i want
[01:10] <_demian_> cause I'm new at this
[01:10] <_demian_> :)
[01:10] <trukulo> Quarupt, that's what i'm saying, commands in linux
[01:10] <Quarupt> you just wanna learn cp ls ln mv rm ..etc?
[01:10] <trukulo> not bins for terminal
[01:10] <_demian_> i need to delete a dir :)
[01:10] <trukulo> every binary on linux is a command
[01:10] <Quarupt> thats rm
[01:11] <trukulo> rm -r
[01:11] <trukulo> for directories
[01:11] <_demian_> but it would be nice to know where to find the rest of the commands :)
[01:11] <Quarupt> yea but he wants BASH commands listen
[01:11] <Quarupt> jesus
[01:11] <_demian_> so I don't have to ask all the time :)
[01:11] <trukulo> _demian_, you need basic comands
[01:11] <_demian_> okee
[01:11] <Quarupt> man bash
[01:11] <Quarupt> sirst off
[01:11] <Quarupt> first*
[01:11] <_demian_> trukulo, where do I find those?
[01:11] <trukulo> http://www.linux.com/guides/abs-guide/basic.shtml
[01:11] <Quarupt> then google basic shell commands
[01:11] <trukulo> there
[01:11] <GoneBoB> _demian_: also here http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[01:11] <trukulo> Quarupt, not shell, linux
[01:12] <trukulo> there's a lot of shells in the world
[01:12] <Quarupt> dude he just said
[01:12] <trukulo> :)
[01:12] <Quarupt> he wants stuff like rm
[01:12] <apokryphos> tell _demian_ rute
[01:12] <Quarupt> thats a SHELL command
[01:12] <trukulo> Quarupt, windows has a shell too, and os2, even dos
[01:12] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell _demian_ rute
[01:12] <Pyre> _demian_: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[01:12] <Quarupt> I dont think you should be helping people
[01:12] <trukulo> every OS has a shell
[01:12] <njs12345> dos is basically just a shell
[01:12] <_demian_> thnx
[01:12] <trukulo> _demian_, did i help you ?
[01:12] <_demian_> now you can go an argueing :P
[01:13] <_demian_> trukulo, I don't know but now I have a place to search :)
[01:13] <Quarupt> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=basic+shell+commands&btnG=Google+Search
[01:13] <Quarupt> look what happens whn ya google basic shell commands
[01:13] <Quarupt> every result for the first 10 pages is linux basic shell commands
[01:13] <trukulo> you have shells for other OS in that page too
[01:14] <Quarupt> no there isnt
[01:14] <Quarupt> not untill page 11
[01:14] <trukulo> unix shell it's not the same as linux shell (mostly bash)
[01:14] <Quarupt> tea click the link
[01:14] <_demian_> that's why i needed you to give me some good sites
[01:14] <trukulo> 6th reference in first page it's not for linux
[01:14] <Quarupt> its just rm and cp
[01:14] <Quarupt> those are linux too
[01:14] <trukulo> but options are not the same
[01:15] <Quarupt> lmao
[01:15] <trukulo> you don't even have df or du there
[01:15] <Quarupt> your the most stuborn person i have ever met, i doubt he would click BASIC DOS COMMANDS when he is looking for linux commands
[01:15] <Quarupt> think a lilo before you type
[01:15] <Quarupt> take a communications class
[01:16] <Quarupt> take a pill
[01:16] <trukulo> have you read yourself?
[01:16] <pc03> lets all quiet down and help who needs help.. right?
[01:16] <Quarupt> yes and so has everyone else in this chan
[01:16] <trukulo> pc03, ok
[01:16] <Quarupt> now please don't attempt to help anyone
[01:16] <_demian_> it does make it lively in here :)
[01:16] <GoneBoB> please.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[01:17] <GoneBoB> if you need to read some things, read that :)
[01:17] <Quarupt> lol
[01:17] <ceu> mozilla-firefox in warty-backports will be upgraded to 1.0.1?
[01:18] <lok> I can't boot my winxp partition with grub (it's an ntfs partition), I've seen no error message it's just that when I try to boot it the grub's menu stay at the screen and nothings change ... a solution ?
[01:18] <lrojas> can i ask why does ubuntu decided to use sudo instead of just enabling the root user?
[01:18] <trukulo> lrojas, security
[01:19] <lrojas> isnt sudo less secure?
[01:19] <Quarupt> lrojas, if ya don't like it, just type sudo passwd
[01:19] <trukulo> no, you can track what a user do
[01:19] <damripp> what command do i use to add 800x600 to one of the res
[01:19] <damripp> what command do i use to add 800x600 to one of the res's i can use?
[01:19] <trukulo> and it's more difficult to make brute password attacks
[01:19] <lrojas> i c
[01:19] <Quarupt> damripp, you need to edit you /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:20] <lok> nobody can help me with grub ?
[01:20] <Mitario> hmm, if I add a printer, how do I know which usb printer # it gets in gnome-cups-manager?
[01:20] <trukulo> damripp, warty or hoary?
[01:20] <Mitario> s/add/connect
[01:20] <damripp> warty
[01:20] <trukulo> damripp, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:21] <trukulo> use medium for resolution
[01:21] <Quarupt> it would be easier to edit you conf
[01:21] <lrojas> one more question, why Xfree86 over Xorg?
[01:21] <trukulo> Quarupt, there's no xorg.conf in warty
[01:21] <trukulo> lrojas, because warty has xfree86, not xorg
[01:21] <Quarupt> uhm is uses Xorg with the CD
[01:22] <Quarupt> I will bet you on that
[01:22] <trukulo> not warty, i'm sure
[01:22] <damripp> yeah, well im running 640x480, most progams too big.
[01:22] <Quarupt> No your wrong again
[01:22] <Quarupt> type x-server -version
[01:22] <Quarupt> damripp,
[01:22] <lrojas> i know that, i am asking why choose xfree86 over xorg, when xfree seems to be going in an undesirable licesing direction and Xorg seems to be the new standard
[01:23] <Quarupt> Warty ises Xorg
[01:23] <Quarupt> uses
[01:23] <psi> Quarupt: no
[01:23] <Quarupt> by default
[01:23] <trukulo> lrojas, because when warty was made, there's no xorg packages for debian
[01:23] <lrojas> ok, that i understand
[01:23] <Quarupt> wtf boot a warty live cd and type x-server -version
[01:23] <trukulo> and transition was difficult, daniel stone and fabio di masimo works for transition in hoary
[01:23] <RattWork> Quarupt: warty live cd is knoppix, basically
[01:24] <trukulo> RattWork, i think it was morphix
[01:24] <lrojas> so warty live cd is not warty live cd ?
[01:24] <Quarupt> okay do a clean instal from a warty cd, and type x-server -version
[01:24] <RattWork> lrojas: kinda :P
[01:24] <psi> Quarupt: XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1
[01:24] <trukulo> Quarupt, sorry man, you're wrong
[01:24] <Quarupt> I know i used the CD they sent in the mail, and it used Xorg by default
[01:25] <lrojas> anybody here has had experience with FC3 ?
[01:25] <trukulo> Quarupt, warty live cd it' not the same as warty install cd
[01:25] <trukulo> warty installed on hd, uses xfree86
[01:25] <monoxide> hi guys, bash is giving me a wierd prompt for non-root users, "I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $", and also ssh is giving wierd output. both seem to work fine as root though....
[01:25] <monoxide> I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $ ssh -h
[01:25] <monoxide> You don't exist, go away!
[01:25] <Quarupt> i didnt say the live cd
[01:26] <Quarupt> The install cd
[01:26] <Quarupt> It uses Xorg
[01:26] <damripp> trukulo: after running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, it asks me what driver to use. will it highlight the right one?
[01:26] <trukulo> damripp, what graphic card do you have?
[01:26] <damripp> permedia tnt2 i think
[01:26] <trukulo> damripp, use nv
[01:27] <Quarupt> Then howcome when i did a clean install of warty it used Xorg?
[01:27] <trukulo> Quarupt, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/x.org/view?searchterm=xfree86
[01:27] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas?
[01:27] <Quarupt> thats with the old build
[01:28] <Quarupt> the ones they ship now use Xorg
[01:28] <trukulo> warty has only one build
[01:28] <Quarupt> no security updates huh?
[01:28] <damripp> trukulo: permedia 2
[01:28] <Quarupt> wanna bet?
[01:28] <damripp> nv?
[01:28] <trukulo> security is by network, not in cd
[01:28] <trukulo> damripp, nvidia one
[01:28] <Quarupt> You are wrong
[01:28] <Mitario> hmm, when I 'lpr' a file it stays in 'lpq' for a while and then dissappears, but nothing is printed
[01:28] <_demian_> hahaha
[01:29] <_demian_> says here I can install a firewall
[01:29] <damripp> how much memory should i allocate?
[01:29] <_demian_> why should I
[01:29] <trukulo> Quarupt, i'm using ubuntu since prerelase of warty, know in person X developers of ubuntu
[01:29] <_demian_> I thought that was the beauty of linux?
[01:29] <damripp> i think its a 4meg AGP card.
[01:29] <jdub> Quarupt: warty shipped with xfree86. it has not and will not be updated to use xorg. xorg is in hoary only.
[01:29] <trukulo> talked to him a lot of time, and ther made conferences in my lug
[01:29] <trukulo> and jdub it's an ubuntu developer, release manager of ubuntu, and he doesn't find his trousers
[01:30] <Quarupt> jdub, I am using warty i will send you a file to prove it and i am also using x.org want my config?
[01:30] <jdub> trukulo: :-)
[01:30] <trukulo> Quarupt, jdub is RELEASE MANAGER OF UBUNTU !!
[01:30] <monoxide> _demian_, linux has its holes like everything else
[01:30] <jdub> Quarupt: not really, i'm happy to not believe you either way :)
[01:30] <Quarupt> lmao
[01:30] <Quarupt> i will just embaress you by pastebin 'n em for all to see
[01:30] <jdub> Quarupt: cat /etc/lsb-release
[01:30] <_demian_> monoxide, why would anyone want to attack a linux pc then?
[01:31] <trukulo> jdub, do you have a gun for me, please?
[01:31] <monoxide> _demian_, same reason they would want to attack a win pc?
[01:31] <Quarupt> there its paste binned the link and this log are posted on the forums
[01:31] <Quarupt> lmao
[01:32] <_demian_> monoxide, I always believed it was to hassle bill gates
[01:32] <_demian_> to show him he made f******** software
[01:32] <monoxide> heh
[01:32] <trukulo> Quarupt, do you know what a release manager is?
[01:32] <_demian_> like the new w32 viruses
[01:32] <monoxide> so noone can help me with my problem?
[01:32] <Quarupt> trukulo, no one is listening to you
[01:32] <Quarupt> stop slaming
[01:32] <trukulo> Quarupt, you are, in fact
[01:33] <trukulo> lol
[01:33] <_demian_> it has a line in it somewhere where it says that gates should make windows better
[01:33] <_demian_> :)
[01:33] <jdub> guys, not worth pursuing the discussion
[01:33] <Quarupt> monoxide,  state your problem again
[01:33] <eric__> hi ~ is the Update Manager bound to the apt/sources file?
[01:33] <monoxide> if Quarupt would shuttup for long enough maybe someone would see it....
[01:33] <monoxide> and trukulo
[01:33] <jdub> eric__: yes
[01:33] <trukulo> jdub, can you give me a hand please?
[01:33] <jdub> trukulo: with?
[01:33] <trukulo> my graphic card, it's very strange
 hi guys, bash is giving me a wierd prompt for non-root users, "I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $", and also ssh is giving wierd output. both seem to work fine as root though....
 I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $ ssh -h
 You don't exist, go away!
[01:34] <trukulo> jdub, with live cd , glxinfo gives me DRI yes
[01:34] <_demian_> that's not verry nice
[01:34] <eric__> thanks.  so 3rd party reps would also show up in the update list-
[01:34] <_demian_> :)
[01:34] <trukulo> but with hoary installed, i can't have dri working
[01:34] <apokryphos> eric__: that's right.
[01:34] <trukulo> using ati igp 320M
[01:34] <eric__> :)  very nice. thx
[01:34] <trukulo> have all the modules: ati_igp, drm, radeon...
[01:35] <jdub> trukulo: daniels is the man to ask
[01:35] <trukulo> jdub, i know, but he's sleeping
[01:35] <trukulo> i'll ask him later, thanks anyway
[01:35] <BeTa> there are too much bot here
[01:35] <monoxide> eric__, any programs that do updates use the /etc/sources list
[01:35] <BeTa> crappy djyuf !
[01:35] <BeTa> is there a possibility to avoid this ?
[01:36] <eric__> this is what i expected,  but thought i'd dbl check
[01:36] <monoxide> Quarupt, did you get that?
[01:36] <Quarupt> monoxide, get what?
[01:36] <BeTa> this kind of bot starts crappy /queries /w sex URLs... that's not great
[01:36] <Quarupt> sorry i wasnt paying attention im searching for an rpm
[01:37] <monoxide> eric__, unless of course it is designed to only update a single program, but i havent heard of any of those
[01:37] <monoxide> Quarupt, my problem :/
[01:38] <monoxide> hi guys, bash is giving me a wierd prompt for non-root users, "I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $", and also ssh is giving wierd output. both seem to work fine as root though....
[01:38] <monoxide> I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $ ssh -h
[01:38] <uMkulu> i already had it that way, monoxide.
[01:38] <monoxide> You don't exist, go away!
[01:38] <Kevin> http://www.tcpsecurity.com/
[01:38] <Quarupt> it returns that as output?
[01:38] <eric__> most likely a work in progress.  But I like the looks of it and the possibilities for the package
[01:39] <monoxide> Quarupt, yes
[01:39] <Quarupt> weird
[01:40] <monoxide> I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $ ssh -h
[01:40] <monoxide> You don't exist, go away!
[01:40] <monoxide> I have no name!@matthew-linux:~ $
[01:40] <monoxide> but it all works fine via sudo
[01:40] <Quarupt> just not as your user
[01:40] <Quarupt> maybe the sshd is setup to only listen to root?
[01:40] <monoxide> any user, except root
[01:41] <Quarupt> if it works with sudo then it is listening to root
[01:41] <monoxide> that still doesnt explain the bash prompt
[01:41] <monoxide> that happens on a non graphical console as well
[01:41] <Quarupt> oh the no name
[01:42] <Quarupt> check your bash.bashrc
[01:43] <Quarupt> wow its 5am
[01:43] <queuetue> Hi.  Where is the "system bell sound" defined?  I want to replace the drum hit every time I hit tab in bash with something more subtle, but can't find the right setting in sounds...
[01:43] <Mitario> lol I just documented the XML RPC commands of BOINC
[01:44] <Mitario> woops wrong channel
[01:44] <monoxide> cant see anything odd in there, but then again i dont know bash scripting very well
[01:44] <Myrtti> plonk.
[01:44] <trukulo> monoxide, have you change any perm on system?
[01:44] <monoxide> trukulo, pardon?
[01:44] <trukulo> have you changed any permision on your system?
[01:45] <monoxide> dont think so, definently not since i noticed this anyway
[01:46] <trukulo> you are using warty with root account enabled?
[01:46] <Quarupt> he means did ya do sudo passwd
[01:47] <lrojas> i have a situation and i would like some advice if anyone can give it, since i am a known linux user at work, i been asked to setup a Live Video Streaming Solution by my boss, i promised i would investigate but so far is very messy the information relating to that. Any ideas on what could i do
[01:48] <damripp> i have no GNOME now!
[01:48] <Quarupt> lol
[01:48] <Quarupt> uhoh
[01:48] <monoxide> im using hoary with root enabled
[01:48] <Quarupt> what did ya do?
[01:48] <damripp> no dislplay
[01:48] <Quarupt> ya used the wrong driver
[01:48] <Quarupt> probably
[01:48] <damripp> what truklo told me to do
[01:48] <Quarupt> check your logs
[01:49] <trukulo> monoxide, do you have users in /home ?
[01:49] <Quarupt> that was a bad isea
[01:49] <damripp> sudo dpkg-reconfigure x. etc.
[01:49] <trukulo> damripp, your X conf is wrong, made again
[01:49] <monoxide> trukulo, the users are in /home and /etc/passwd
[01:49] <Quarupt> nv is not the correct driver for your card
[01:49] <damripp> yeah i did, i made it like the basic config. still doesnt work
[01:50] <Quarupt> check your logs for (EE)
[01:50] <monoxide> ohhhhh... fixed :)
[01:50] <trukulo> monoxide, what was?
[01:50] <monoxide> chmod 644 /etc/passwd
[01:50] <monoxide> it was 600
[01:50] <trukulo> perms
[01:50] <trukulo> lrojas, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6720
[01:51] <lrojas> thanks trukulo
[01:51] <trukulo> monoxide, so it was permisions
[01:51] <monoxide> trukulo, yea
[01:51] <trukulo> damripp, try driver vesa
[01:51] <monoxide> damn....
[01:52] <monoxide> :/ i changed that too... no idea it could screw things up so bad...
[01:52] <octom_> hi I have downloaded the marillat files all together and put them in this directory /home/octom/marillat/cdrom (because this is a dial up not dsl) now I have a lot of .deb files any idea on how I get them onto the machine itself?
[01:52] <trukulo> perms changed on /etc always make problems
[01:52] <damripp> how do i try vesa?
[01:52] <trukulo> damripp, configuring again
[01:52] <trukulo> octom, sudo dpkg -i *deb
[01:53] <octom_> trukulo, thanks
[01:53] <monoxide> damripp, i have cofigured X at least 20 times to get it working just right :)
[01:53] <damripp> yeah everytime i run it. i try startx after running it. and i get errros.
[01:53] <trukulo> damripp, what errors?
[01:53] <trukulo> perhaps is mouse errors, not graphic driver error
[01:53] <Quarupt> damripp, you need to read the log to make sure its even your driver
[01:54] <damripp> ok ok....
[01:54] <Quarupt> wow trukulo we just agreed on something
[01:54] <Quarupt> scary
[01:54] <monoxide> heh
[01:55] <damripp> (EE) no devices detected
[01:55] <damripp> is that it?
[01:56] <trukulo> you tried vesa?
[01:56] <damripp> vesa instead of nv?
[01:56] <trukulo> yes
[01:57] <octom_> trukulo, thanks for that - I had to add a * but what's a * between ubuntu users :)  now I have them lets see what happens when I try to run em :)
[01:58] <membreya> hey guys
[01:59] <damripp> (EE) VESA(0): no matching modes
[01:59] <damripp> (EE) screns found but, none have a usable configuration
[02:00] <damripp> fatal error 104
[02:01] <damripp> fuck
[02:01] <damripp> i shoulddda back up some sorta file.
[02:04] <lok> hi can someone told me what's the default runlevel on ubuntu ?
[02:04] <trukulo> 2
[02:04] <damripp> oh no. what am i going to do.
[02:04] <lok> thanks trukulo
[02:05] <damripp> trukulo: does it matter im using tty1 for irc and tty2 for configuring?
[02:05] <trukulo> no
[02:07] <damripp> when i installed ubuntu originally it never asked me what driver to use eg; nv, vesa....
[02:07] <damripp> can i run that config again?
[02:12] <Quarupt> how do ya unindtall something with dpkg
[02:12] <Quarupt> uninstall
[02:12] <Quarupt> is it like dpkg --uninstall?
[02:13] <damripp> yeah mutherfcker, it was glint trukulo! which is what it was higliehgt first place
[02:13] <damripp> defualt
[02:13] <InitMass> if i'm not sure which soundcard i've got in my laptop how can i check it?
[02:14] <luigi_> hi
[02:16] <rapha> Hi all!
[02:16] <rapha> How do you configure SSH so that no key is required?
[02:19] <_demian_> where are programs usually installed?
[02:23] <_demian_> where are programs usually installed?
[02:23] <_demian_> anyone?
[02:24] <_demian_> i liked it better when they where argueing :)
[02:24] <_demian_> at least then I got an answer :D
[02:29] <InitMass> is ubuntu using ALSA or OSS as default??
[02:31] <trukulo> what ubuntu? hoary or warty?
[02:32] <InitMass> warty
[02:33] <trukulo> alsa
[02:33] <trukulo> and hoary too
[02:33] <trukulo> lol
[02:33] <kayali> hello
[02:33] <uMkulu> que tal, kayali
[02:33] <InitMass> hehe
[02:33] <kayali> uMkulu: I'm fine
[02:33] <uMkulu> kayali: i'm not following you...
[02:33] <InitMass> any advice in the setting up process? shouls i use alsa or oss in xmms?
[02:33] <kayali> uMkulu: ?????
[02:34] <uMkulu> i don't know, kayali
[02:34] <trukulo> InitMass, alsa
[02:34] <fran> hi!
[02:34] <queuetue> Where is the "system bell sound" defined?  I want to replace the drum hit every time I hit tab in bash with something more subtle, but can't find the right setting in sounds...
[02:34] <InitMass> queuetue, desktop preferences and then sound
[02:34] <kayali> anyone knows if ubuntu features an Eclipse package?
[02:35] <trukulo> kayali, i think not
[02:35] <queuetue> InitMass, Which sound is it?  I cna't find one that affects the "system bell"...
[02:36] <InitMass> queuetue, system bell
[02:36] <InitMass> queuetue, i'm guiding you in gnome right now
[02:37] <Skid> hi folks, how can I check to see if Xfree86's dev packages are installed?
[02:37] <InitMass> trukulo, xmms complain and want me to check my configuration and that no other program is blocking the soundcard
[02:37] <queuetue> InitMass, I have a "system bell" tab, but nowhere to change the sound - no "system bell" sound is listed under the "sound events" tab.
[02:37] <trukulo> InitMass, use esd
[02:38] <trukulo> Skid, dpkg -l | grep xfree86
[02:38] <monoxide> Skid, apt-get install xserver-xfree86-dev?
[02:38] <`shane> ok, just re-installed ubuntu and when I add my windows partition to my fstab it mounts it...but Ubuntu doesn't know a file from a folder, etc. I remember having this problem last time but I forgot how to fix it
[02:38] <trukulo> shane: uid in fstab?
[02:38] <InitMass> queuetue, then i don't know. i have the option "sound an audible bell"
[02:38] <`shane> uid=XXX?
[02:38] <martinald> hi all
[02:38] <monoxide> `shane, you cant?
[02:39] <martinald> i have a problem
[02:39] <queuetue> InitMass, Yes, I'm asking how you change the "audible bell" sound.
[02:39] <`shane> let me post my entry:
[02:39] <monoxide> i dont think you can with an vfat drive...
[02:39] <martinald> basically, i'm using novell linux desktop 9 and i absolutely love it, but i'm getting a bit frustrated with the lack of new software on it (most packages are quite old... 1 year or so)
[02:39] <monoxide> martinald, what would this problem be?
[02:39] <`shane> /dev/hdb1	/mnt/windows	vfat	umask=000	0	0
[02:39] <martinald> so how possible is it to move to ubuntu without stuff breaking? things like my panel setup, fonts, home dirs etc
[02:40] <Skid> monoxide: er that package doesn't exist
[02:40] <trukulo> martinald, very difficult, if it uses diferent versions
[02:40] <InitMass> queuetue, i don't know any other way even if i know there is but none i can help you with
[02:40] <martinald> ok
[02:40] <martinald> well nld uses gnome 2.6 and hoary uses 2.10
[02:40] <trukulo> martinald, exactly
[02:40] <`shane> vfat is fine, ntfs needs support added I believe..or it did in Fedora
[02:40] <martinald> there is no migration tools?
[02:40] <trukulo> and diferent evolution
[02:40] <trukulo> martinald, no, no migration tool as i know
[02:41] <InitMass> trukulo, where should i change to esd? when i type esd in the terminal i get /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[02:41] <shock> u know something that needs fixing in ubuntu? the "open with" dialog!
[02:41] <shock> its a pain!
[02:41] <martinald> hmm
[02:41] <trukulo> but you can keep home users, just copy them
[02:41] <monoxide> Skid, i was guessing
[02:41] <InitMass> queuetue, one other way is to cut the cable to the bell
[02:41] <trukulo> InitMass, in xmms plugins output
[02:41] <martinald> yea i assume that, [most]  settings are stored in my home dir, how much of that would be transfered?
[02:42] <trukulo> martinald, you have to try
[02:42] <monoxide> trukulo, what if he installed ubuntu at the versions that he has installed at the moment then updated?
[02:42] <InitMass> trukulo, do you mean esd as audio device?
[02:42] <trukulo> monoxide,he uses novell desktop linux, not ubuntu
[02:42] <trukulo> InitMass, yes
[02:42] <trukulo> monoxide, he don't have gnome 2.6
[02:42] <martinald> i have gnome 2.6
[02:42] <InitMass> trukulo, now i've got esd there and ALSA as output
[02:43] <trukulo> martinald, in ubuntu i mean
[02:43] <martinald> oh ok
[02:43] <p-fox> does anyone know why recent hoary runs so slow? (awful screen redraw, etc)
[02:43] <trukulo> p-fox, perhaps, because is a development version not finished
[02:43] <InitMass> trukulo, but with those ^^ settings xmms still complain
[02:44] <trukulo> InitMass, so just keep trying things
[02:44] <trukulo> or better, use rythmbox
[02:45] <p-fox> trukulo, yes it's not finished. but i assume it's a bug. bugs need fixing. so it'd help if i could diagnose it, right?
[02:45] <trukulo> p-fox, so look for the bug
[02:45] <p-fox> trukulo, how do you find an unknown bug?
[02:46] <trukulo> did you read bugzilla ?
[02:46] <InitMass> trukulo, /dev/dsp: No such file or directory is what i get when i type esd in the terminal and that's why it's no idea to put esd in xmms. what's your advice for the missing /dev/dsp?
[02:46] <trukulo> have you look for that problem there?
[02:46] <trukulo> you don't have dsp?
[02:46] <p-fox> trukulo, yes. hense asking here.
[02:46] <trukulo> p-fox, i'm using hoary and X goes fast
[02:46] <trukulo> faster than warty, in fact
[02:47] <p-fox> trukulo, well not for me. which is why it's a bug.
[02:47] <InitMass> trukulo, no i don't have that dsp
[02:47] <trukulo> p-fox, can you give us more information? i can't help you with: it's slower
[02:47] <Skid> what package are the gtk - devel files?
[02:47] <underdog> i'm having trouble installing a font. i tried mkfontdir && xset fp rehash && /etc/init.d/xfs restart but with no luck. any ideas?
[02:47] <Skid> there's a fair few :)
[02:48] <p-fox> trukulo, since updating X redraws are slow, window switching and desktop switching too. but there's no errors to help diagnose it
[02:48] <trukulo> what graphic card do you have?
[02:48] <p-fox> radeon x600
[02:48] <p-fox> i've reinstalled the drivers and killed X, but it didn't fix it
[02:48] <Skid> nm found em
[02:52] <nerio> how do I install the kernel source ? is it the kernel headers ?
[02:52] <SiRrUs> p-fox I am having the same problem
[02:52] <_demian_> ehm... how do attrib perms?
[02:52] <_demian_> with what command?
[02:53] <p-fox> SiRrUs, what video card have you got?
[02:53] <SiRrUs> plain ol Sis
[02:53] <SiRrUs> been like this now for about 3 days
[02:53] <p-fox> right. i'm pretty sure it's an X problem, but i dont know what
[02:53] <p-fox> SiRrUs, same here.
[02:54] <SiRrUs> yeah started happening right after an upgrade, I am sure it will be sorted out very soon tho
[02:55] <Kevin> http://www.tcpsecurity.com/
[02:58] <spiral> hi
[02:58] <uMkulu> hello, spiral
[02:58] <monoxide_> since updateing to hoary the network-admin app seems to have killed itself...
[02:59] <membreya> hooray, I've gotten squid working :)
[03:00] <monoxide_> congrats membreya. since  you seem to have no troubles, maybe you could help me out ;)
[03:00] <membreya> rofl monoxide im using webmin ..so it's cheating :)
[03:01] <monoxide_> lol
[03:01] <monoxide_> hey, if it works, it cant be all bad :)
[03:03] <hoinar> hi all
[03:04] <membreya> hrm lol, need to figure out how to set the ACL to allow me to USE webmin while the proxy is on :P
[03:04] <monoxide_> membreya, since updateing to hoary the network-admin app seems to have killed itself...
[03:04] <monoxide_> any ideas?
[03:04] <monoxide_> lol
[03:04] <membreya> how you mean killed itself?
[03:04] <monoxide_> maybe network-admin would help? ;)
[03:04] <hoinar> i have a question: why don't I see my NTFS partitions under ubuntu live cd?
[03:05] <monoxide_> well its not there
[03:05] <monoxide_> bash cant find it at all
[03:05] <mg__> hi, I'm just installing ubuntu on a thinkpad t42 and I've heard that it has it's own bootloader for the ibm restore and recovery software. I would like some advice on whether that means it's a problem using grub instead of the windows bootloader?
[03:05] <monoxide_> hoinar, linux doesnt support NTFS
[03:05] <membreya> network-admin works for me
[03:05] <hoinar> that is something I know monoxide
[03:05] <membreya> monoxide: so does :P
[03:05] <mg__> ie.. if I overwrite the mbr will it disable the r&r
[03:06] <hoinar> :) but under knoppix I can even wtite...not only read...
[03:06] <hoinar> *write
[03:06] <hoinar> but i want to run ubuntu live :)
[03:06] <monoxide_> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # network-admin
[03:06] <monoxide_> bash: network-admin: command not found
[03:06] <monoxide_> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew #
[03:06] <monoxide_> what package is it from?
[03:07] <monoxide_> hoinar, then the live cd doesnt have the packages on it for that. no idea what that package is tho.
[03:08] <hoinar> :(
[03:08] <hoinar> thanks
[03:09] <monoxide_> i have ubuntu exclusively on this computer, but i want to run a dual boot, so if you find what is needed for NTFS then let me know
[03:10] <monoxide_> membreya, do you know what package network-admin is from?
[03:10] <johnnybe1ak> any of you guys use streamripper?
[03:11] <gurran> Hi PPL
[03:14] <spiral> hi again
[03:15] <Rocco> anybody here with an centrino?
[03:17] <underdog> i am
[03:20] <mg__> anyone use an ibm t40?
[03:21] <Rocco> @underdog you use a centrino???
[03:24] <lok> does someone use ia32-libs on a amd64 here?
[03:26] <underdog> Rocco: yeah
[03:28] <Rocco> underdog: what do you use to slow down the fequency?
[03:29] <t> I'm on hoary and there's no "take a screenshot" icon...
[03:29] <monoxide> t, check under the System menu
[03:29] <SiRrUs> sure there is
[03:29] <virtuald> http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2005-March/032240.html
[03:29] <underdog> Rocco: nothing as of yet
[03:30] <kirbuntu> hello ubuntu
[03:30] <VANQUISH> hi
[03:30] <uMkulu> bonjour, VANQUISH
[03:30] <VANQUISH> hi
[03:30] <kirbuntu> hello from kansas, USA
[03:31] <Montagh> hi
[03:31] <VANQUISH> im arash
[03:31] <Rocco> DONT WANNA BE AN AMERICAN IDOIT *gg*
[03:31] <SiRrUs> :)
[03:31] <VANQUISH> in iran
[03:31] <SiRrUs> hmmmm time to settle down boys
[03:31] <njs12345> offtopic I guess, but I'm in he UK :P
[03:31] <njs12345> *the
[03:33] <membreya> ok it was webmins problem ..wasn't allowing squid to connect to it :P
[03:34] <SiRrUs> good morning membreya
[03:34] <membreya> ello SiRrUs :)
[03:35] <membreya> :P
[03:35] <monoxide> about time for bed for us ehh?
[03:35] <monoxide> its late...
[03:35] <SiRrUs> bed?? where you from
[03:35] <membreya> its only 1.30 am monoxide :)
[03:36] <monoxide> i wanna see the last of the 1:30 of updates tho....
[03:36] <monoxide> aus
[03:36] <monoxide> 1:40am here
[03:36] <monoxide> lol membreya
[03:36] <monoxide> i need my beauty sleep ;)
[03:36] <SiRrUs> 9:40am here
[03:37] <monoxide> yea, its sunday morning here ;)
[03:37] <Tycho_Atreides> sunday?!?
[03:37] <SiRrUs> Sat am here
[03:37] <VANQUISH> hiiiiiiiiiii
[03:37] <Rocco> underdog: cpudyn is disabled; how can i enable
[03:38] <Tycho_Atreides> dont tell me what happens saturday, i want it to be a surprise
[03:38] <membreya> we're in the future :D
[03:39] <Creeper> ok, so ho can help me with a probmlem with ubuntu?
[03:39] <Creeper> *who
[03:39] <monoxide> there was an american comedian who once made the comment "never worry about tommorow. the aussies are already there and they are still alive"
[03:39] <monoxide> i forget who now tho...
[03:39] <membreya> lol!
[03:39] <monoxide> whats wrong Creeper?
[03:40] <Creeper> when booting I get "Error 18"
[03:40] <monoxide> which is?
[03:40] <Creeper> beats me
[03:40] <monoxide> i get many errors when booting, fairly sure none of them are #18 though
[03:40] <Creeper> well booting seizes at Error 18
[03:41] <membreya> Creeper: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11764&highlight=grub+error+18
[03:42] <monoxide> before or during the ubuntu bootup?
[03:42] <Creeper> before... i think... its just after DMI detection
[03:43] <monoxide> or, there you go
[03:43] <monoxide> can anyone give me any ideas why my computer would freeze before even getting to gnome?
[03:43] <monoxide> errr... before getting to grub
[03:44] <Creeper> no, while starting grub
[03:44] <Montagh> i did that to mine by changing my grub splash to something in the wrong format
[03:45] <monoxide> i dont have a grub splash
[03:45] <mlambie> when i use gnome-terminal to ssh to anoher machine running ubuntu it changes the tab name to reflect the new user@machine. when i ssh to a debian sarge server it doesn't. i'd like to configure the debian server to do the same. any clues?
[03:46] <monoxide> infact i tried to minimise the impact that grub has.
[03:47] <InitMass> anyone who can give me a repository for mplayer? i'm using warty
[03:47] <monoxide> InitMass, there isnt one, you need to compile it from source
[03:48] <monoxide> see http://mplayerhq.com/
[03:48] <monoxide> or check out xine
[03:48] <v9_1> mmm
[03:48] <shock> really? there is no mplayer repos for warty anymore?
[03:48] <shock> hm
[03:48] <shock> weirdness
[03:49] <njs12345> I think nerim has mplayer, doesn't it?
[03:49] <_adw_> hi, anyone have any tips on wlan setups on for ubuntu, or linux in general, like real novice stuff?
[03:49] <shock> thought so
[03:49] <shock> im on my ppc computer here so cant check
[03:49] <njs12345> _adw_: `iwconfig` shows wireless interfaces
[03:50] <psi> i made an mplayer .deb yesterday, if you want to try it
[03:50] <monoxide> well i compiled it, i dont think there is an ubuntu repo for mplayer
[03:50] <njs12345> _adw_: `iwconfig <interface> essid <essid>` sets SSID
[03:50] <monoxide> i could be wrong tho....
[03:50] <shock> deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ <-- this one worked for ppc
[03:50] <_adw_> thanks, but, if theres any networks available, they should show here trhrough iwlist?
[03:51] <membreya_> what was that command to remove the root access again ?
[03:52] <njs12345> membraya_: what, like, after you've done sudo -s?
[03:52] <matthias> hi all. How can I play mp3 files in Ubuntu?
[03:53] <usual> membreya, ctrl+c
[03:53] <njs12345> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:53] <njs12345> or `exit`
[03:53] <njs12345> `exit` is for membraya_ ;)
[03:53] <usual> or press ctrl+d
[03:53] <matthias> ok, i'll give it a try. Thanks
[03:53] <monoxide> uMkulu, restricted
[03:53] <uMkulu> rumour has it restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[03:54] <njs12345> is uMkulu a bot?
[03:54] <membreya_> no
[03:54] <membreya_> after you've enabled root
[03:54] <matthias> COuld not find packet gstreamer0.8-mad ? :-s
[03:54] <monoxide> matthias, check that
[03:54] <daniels> uMkulu: restricted
[03:54] <uMkulu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , for help with setting up java, flash, mp3 and video
[03:54] <psi> matthias: you need to enable universe
[03:54] <monoxide> njs12345, yes
[03:54] <Montagh> install beep media player, it worked out of the box for me
[03:54] <daniels> but he also seems to be a human
[03:54] <njs12345> ah
[03:55] <njs12345> I see
[03:55] <njs12345> a cyborg? :D
[03:55] <matthias> chechk what monoxide ? :)
[03:55] <psi> membreya: remove the password, i guess
[03:55] <membreya_> nevermind, its sudo passwd -l root
[03:55] <monoxide> daniels, bs he does :P
[03:55] <matthias> and psi > enable universe? How, where, ... ?
[03:55] <njs12345> matthias: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:55] <njs12345> and remove the # before the line with 'universe' in
[03:55] <njs12345> you need to be root
[03:55] <monoxide> seems like a damn bot to me
[03:55] <monoxide> matthias, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:55] <matthias> ok
[03:56] <njs12345> ok, well, time for some CS:S for me
[03:56] <daniels> monoxide: i checked my lastlog, he was exhibiting distinctly human behaviour
[03:56] <daniels> monoxide: so either he's a human or a human controls him at regular intervals (by human, i mean human with incredibly annoying scripts)
[03:56] <monoxide> daniels, like saying hello back?
[03:57] <monoxide> and its easy to make a bot that can be controled :)
[03:57] <daniels> mmm, some of it's borderline ... but looking in context, probably not
[03:58] <usual> daniels, this lag wouldn't be a kernel issue would it? maybe xorg?
[03:59] <MrKeuner> hi, installing nvidia drivers xorg started booting on the left of my widescreen. Is there a special thing to avoid this problem?
[03:59] <MrKeuner> right side of the screen has a blank area of 4-5 centimeters
[04:00] <monoxide> MrKeuner, try changing your resolution?
[04:00] <MrKeuner> oh yeah
[04:00] <MrKeuner> but
[04:01] <MrKeuner> 1280*800 has disappeared from that list somehow
[04:01] <monoxide> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:01] <MrKeuner> ok great. thanks
[04:02] <shock> u might need to adjust the settings in your xorg.conf
[04:02] <monoxide> with sudo
[04:02] <daniels> usual: i don't know what it is, sorry ...
[04:02] <daniels> in any case, I need to sleep now, because it's late
[04:02] <shock> it 1600 here
[04:03] <monoxide> its 2am here....
[04:03] <monoxide> i need sleep soon...
[04:03] <monoxide> must... finish... updates...
[04:03] <monoxide> does anyone know what package network-admin is from?
[04:04] <usual> daniels, np, just curious. Thought you might have some insight
[04:08] <spiral> hmmm... Any news about the new packages of ooo2 testing & localisations ?
[04:10] <praveen> hiya all..
[04:10] <praveen> hiya all..
[04:10] <Myrtti> *burp*
[04:10] <Myrtti> too much soda
[04:11] <praveen> hehe..
[04:11] <praveen> this is first time im on IRC..
[04:11] <praveen> wowwie...
[04:12] <praveen> hiya ealden
[04:12] <praveen> quit
[04:28] <mg__> anybody use an ibm t4x?
[04:31] <MrKeuner> hi again, changing resolution did not work. I remember about some parameters when modprobing nvidia kernel module to avoid the problem of having space on the right of the screen. Can somebody lead me to a related information?
[04:31] <MrKeuner> widescreen is the problem
[04:35] <fluxy> Hello. I got a question about the Ubuntu Live Cd. Is it modular? If yes, how can modules be created and added to the cd? Thx
[04:43] <fluxy> Hello. I got a question about the Ubuntu Live Cd. Is it modular? If yes, how can modules be created and added to the cd? Thx
[04:44] <braz2kuk12> hi can anyone help want to compile ndiswrapper for my wi-fi card from source however when i do make i get this error: pete@Utopia:~/wi-fi/ndiswrapper-1.1 $ make
[04:44] <braz2kuk12> make -C driver
[04:44] <braz2kuk12> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/pete/wi-fi/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[04:44] <braz2kuk12> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build;
[04:44] <braz2kuk12>   give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[04:45] <braz2kuk12> make[1] : *** [prereq_check]  Error 1
[04:45] <braz2kuk12> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/pete/wi-fi/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[04:45] <braz2kuk12> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[04:46] <njs12345> braz2kuk12: I might be wrong here, but I think ubuntu only installs the kernel source with hoary kernels
[04:46] <braz2kuk12> i know however i downloaded the kernel source for my kernel and extracted it to /usr/src
[04:49] <braz2kuk12> so really it should compile? if not do i need to create a symlink to my kernel source?
[04:50] <aroman> hello
[04:51] <knucks> Hi gues
[04:51] <knucks> guys*
[04:51] <knucks> I have 4 speakers..only 2 of them work right now
[04:51] <StoffBox-Steve> hi knucks :D
[04:51] <knucks> how can i get all of them working
[04:51] <knucks> Heya Steve
[04:52] <knucks> think you can help me out Steve?
[04:52] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, give me a bit
[04:53] <djp> can anybody give me some advice regards spamassassin and evolution? by default spamd is disabled. do i need to edit /etc/default/spamassassin to enable it?
[04:54] <Myrtti> oh, wow. Say her hello from me
[04:54] <Jet2k5> hello anyone here using a laptop with cpu throttling?
[04:54] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* Myrtti
[04:55] <helio7>  Does anyone know what the language-switching daemon is called so I can set it to run under a different WM (fluxbox)?  I got it working in Gnome, but it's not accessible in the other WM
[04:55] <Myrtti> say that a hot sexy nerdette is drooling over you
[04:56] <membreya_> stupid question but in access.log for squid does TCP_MISS/200 mean the file isn't being cached?
[04:56] <StoffBox-Steve> but to see her, its a long long ways for you Myrtti :) shes in Leizig / Germany ) :P
[04:57] <Jet2k5> anyone?
[04:57] <Myrtti> StoffBox-Steve: Leipzig? that's not so far away
[04:57] <Myrtti> only the Baltic Sea and few funny kilometers
[04:57] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* Myrtti
[04:58] <djp> Jet2k5: sorry
[04:58] <Get> anyone here that has got gmailfs working in ubuntu hoary?
[04:58] <knucks> Argh. My printer is acting weird!
[04:58] <knucks> What should i do
[04:59] <djp> spamd advice needed if anybody here is able...
[05:00] <StoffBox-Steve> i look around a bit, but didnt find somethink ... have you googelt knucks ?
[05:02] <knucks> im going to epson's site right now
[05:02] <knucks> heres the problem im having:
[05:02] <knucks> it detects the printer as the Epson C64 (which it is)
[05:02] <knucks> but when i try to print it just feeds papers through
[05:02] <knucks> over and over and over
[05:02] <knucks> and doesnt print anything on them
[05:03] <stuNNed>  /win 5
[05:03] <stuNNed> oops sorry
[05:04] <knucks> Yeah there is no linux driver on epson's site
[05:04] <knucks> Ok I'm getting the sudo apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint package
[05:05] <Myrtti> stuNNed: irssi?
[05:05] <wezzer-> I think so... :)
[05:06] <matthias> I've added the sources in Synaptic to download gstreamer-mad (for mp3) but when I try to install that I get the following
[05:06] <matthias> libid3tag0 but it is not installable
[05:07] <matthias> libid3tag0 is required .. but couldn't install or something. Anyone got an idea?
[05:08] <knucks> ok who can help me?
[05:08] <knucks> its like my printer is going crazy
[05:09] <andrewski> which gstreamer plugin do i need to play avi's?
[05:09] <Myrtti> stuNNed: try alt+5
[05:11] <matthias> I've added all possible sources and seems like it's working now :)
[05:11] <aeolist> how does this sound for an fstab line?
[05:12] <aeolist> /mnt/usb/ubuntu_dvd/hoary-install-i386.iso /media/iso iso9660 loop 0 0
[05:12] <aie_aie> hi
[05:12] <njs12345> andrewski: well, that's kind of impossible to say
[05:12] <njs12345> avi is a container format, not a codec
[05:12] <njs12345> so potentially any gstreamer plugin
[05:14] <matthias> ok, it's working. Can finally play mp3's :) Thanks.
[05:14] <aie_aie> I am looking for ubuntu amd64 packages guide
[05:15] <stuNNed> Myrtti: yes thanks
[05:15] <aie_aie> anyone can tell me where are them ?
[05:15] <_case> CraHan, hehehehehe
[05:16] <_case> CraHan, methinks someone went cranky
[05:16] <lok> aie_aie, there's on the primary mirror archive.ubuntu.com
[05:16] <Myrtti> stuNNed: that same thing works for windows up to 19, I think
[05:16] <CraHan> what the fuck happened?
[05:16] <CraHan> I thought it was the daily reconnect
[05:16] <Myrtti> stuNNed: when numbers run out, use letters beneath them
[05:16] <CraHan> from my ISP
[05:16] <_case> CraHan, kuhndog dared him
[05:17] <CraHan> haha
[05:17] <CraHan> now that's funny
[05:17] <_case> <[steev] > way to go _case
[05:17] <Mantle> is there a gui mount utility included in the ubuntu livecd?
[05:21] <dazed> good morning all
[05:22] <Matthi> mornin' ^^ It's late afternoon here
[05:24] <dazed> well i just woke up...splittin head
[05:24] <dazed> hahah
[05:26] <plex0r> piss off
[05:26] <dazed> faggot
[05:26] <neighborlee> dazed, hey we dont use words like that around here
[05:27] <sigglet> LOL
[05:27] <dazed> lol hes sittin right next to me but sorry for offending others
[05:28] <neighborlee> ok np..
[05:29] <Myrtti> I need to put some new nail polish on
[05:29] <neighborlee> Myrtti, lol
[05:29] <stuNNed> Myrtti: i'll try it thanks!
[05:29] <Myrtti> stuNNed: try #irssi on IRCnet, if you need more help
[05:30] <larsson_> Hi, i am installing Ubuntu on my computer. When i am partitioning, i need some help. What does a a lightning symbol mean? My NTFS partition is marked with a lightning.
[05:30] <neighborlee> larsson_, that you can't use it to install ubuntu on
[05:30] <neighborlee> larsson_, although you can format over it if you no longer need windows <G>
[05:31] <larsson_> I need Windows.
[05:31] <neighborlee> I know how it goes yes...
[05:31] <neighborlee> I still need mine for a 'few' games but mainly msaccess ..till I figure out how to convert the dain thing over into some linux app anyway..REALLY bites..worse decision I ever made was to use msaccess ;((
[05:31] <larsson_> Ok, so it wont be formatted? Its marked as "Dont use" , will it be mounted ?
[05:32] <dazed> yeah larson thought i needed windows...but i just ballzed up and installed ubuntu and erased windows...best decision of my life
[05:32] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[05:32] <larsson_> Yep, but still need it for games.
[05:32] <neighborlee> larsson_, wont be mounted except to log into windows from boot ( long as you didn't touch that partition during install )
[05:32] <FX|Laptop> Hey I have a question
[05:32] <neighborlee> FX|Laptop, you have the floor ;-)
[05:33] <dazed> Larson_ theres a linux app for runnin windows games
[05:33] <FX|Laptop> Is there away to setup the remote desktop thingy in Ubuntu through ssh?
[05:33] <larsson_> I know.
[05:33] <dazed> oh
[05:33] <dazed> ok
[05:33] <neighborlee> larsson_, but we recommend native linux games
[05:33] <neighborlee> larsson_, heh well..or at least 'I' do ;-))
[05:33] <dazed> lol
[05:33] <dazed> but they suck
[05:33] <neighborlee> not
[05:33] <FX|Laptop> I'm trying to get vnc to work, but all I get is a white screen with just a dot for the cursor
[05:33] <dazed> well...some
[05:33] <neighborlee> there are many wonderful commercial linux games out there now
[05:34] <dazed> really!?
[05:34] <dazed> didnt know
[05:34] <neighborlee> some..I;ll give you that
[05:34] <neighborlee> dazed, yes..definitey
[05:34] <dazed> like in stores?
[05:34] <larsson_> Its installing now. Man, i get so nervous when installing a new dist.
[05:34] <neighborlee> dazed, yes some
[05:34] <dazed> thats cool
[05:34] <neighborlee> dazed, if you can still find them....
[05:34] <dazed> i didnt know
[05:34] <neighborlee> dazed, neverwinter nights is one of the best for linux
[05:34] <neighborlee> dazed, ut2004 prob. is the best/easiest to install though
[05:34] <dazed> really thats cool ill have to look into that
[05:35] <neighborlee> dazed, uplink is VERy kewl ..darwinia should come out soon'ish for linux/mac
[05:35] <dazed> ut2004 is available for linux?
[05:35] <FX|Laptop> America's Army is also a free game and easy to install
[05:35] <dazed> i have it for windows
[05:35] <dazed> love it
[05:35] <neighborlee> dazed, IF you are into it..there is 'postal2' for linux now
[05:35] <neighborlee> dazed, yup it SURE is
[05:35] <neighborlee> dazed, it even has a native linux installer for you on CD
[05:35] <dazed> never heard of it neighborlee...could i run my windows ut2004 or do i have to buy new one
[05:35] <dazed> no way
[05:35] <dazed> u just made my day
[05:35] <neighborlee> ;-))
[05:35] <dazed> lol
[05:35] <Myrtti> *grouphug*
[05:36] <neighborlee> and also ...
[05:36] <Myrtti> nevermind me, I'm the token nerdette of the group
[05:36] <neighborlee> dazed, IF you can stil find them..there are some VERY kewl LOKI games floating around ....
[05:36] <dazed> thats cool ill start looking
[05:36] <neighborlee> FX|Laptop, hmmm
[05:36] <Myrtti> <3 Tuxracer
[05:36] <neighborlee> FX|Laptop, I wonder if you have all needed components OR maybe its not configured right
[05:37] <neighborlee> Myrtti, nerdette ? ( ah as in female as in the nails bit <G>)
[05:37] <FX|Laptop> neighborlee, I'm not sure. I had it working good at one time. Not sure whats going on now. :(  lol
[05:37] <knucks> is there a way to get all windows to open in one?
[05:37] <neighborlee> Myrtti,thats kewl...we need a 'even' mix around here anyway <G>
[05:37] <knucks> like when i click on a folder it opens in that same window?
[05:38] <neighborlee> FX|Laptop, well I h ave idea for you..IF no one here knows you can goto: ( same server) #lemmings and tell them I sent you and they will help....
[05:38] <neighborlee> knucks, ohhh you mean nautilus ?
[05:38] <FX|Laptop> Ok thands neighborlee
[05:39] <FX|Laptop> I have to get going right now, but I'll work on it later.
[05:39] <knucks> if thats the system for windows in ubuntu, then yes
[05:39] <neighborlee> knucks, thats called spatial mode and few like it except total newbies tolinux maybe...( which is supposedly why they designed it)
[05:39] <neighborlee> knucks, Yyeah you can disable that easily in 'prefs' in nautilus
[05:39] <knucks> o ok
[05:39] <knucks> well ill try that in a bit
[05:39] <knucks> my next order of business...
[05:39] <knucks> how do i access my ntfs partition?
[05:39] <knucks> its got all my docs and mp3s and videos
[05:40] <neighborlee> knucks, nautilus > edit : prefs : behavior : open in browser windows
[05:40] <neighborlee> knucks, well you set it up (if it isn't already) in /etc/fstab
[05:40] <knucks> eh?
[05:40] <neighborlee> knucks, I dont do it usually but there must be a simple way to do it ( GUI)...mabye someone that does this more will chime in
[05:41] <neighborlee> knucks, if not you can manually mount it from gnome-terminal
[05:41] <knucks> how would i go about doing thaT?
[05:41] <neighborlee> knucks, : mount /media/windows ( after adding it to /etc/fstab)
[05:41] <Myrtti> neighborlee: /whois has been a good tool in the past
[05:41] <neighborlee> Myrtti, lol
[05:41] <Myrtti> then google :->
[05:41] <neighborlee> Myrtti, hi miia
[05:41] <knucks> can you take me step by step?
[05:41] <Myrtti> one might even try http://irc.fi/myrtti
[05:41] <stackpopper> I was wondering are there any successful boots with array6 on imac g5's?
[05:41] <neighborlee> Myrtti, checking
[05:42] <neighborlee> knucks, well
[05:42] <neighborlee> knucks, there must be a easy GUI for this..I'm almost sure there is.lemme think
[05:42] <knucks> i can go through the comman line if u can tell me how-to
[05:42] <Myrtti> BiteMeBill: because you thought people knew how to use Google?
[05:42] <BiteMeBill> Myrtti: LOL
[05:43] <Myrtti> it's a common mistake people make
[05:43] <BiteMeBill> knucks: for step by step instructions look here.  http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[05:43] <Myrtti> they presume others can use google
[05:43] <knucks> BiteMeBill: looking
[05:43] <knucks> ok let me try that
[05:44] <stuNNed>  /win 11
[05:44] <stuNNed> damnit lol
[05:44] <Myrtti> stuNNed: try alt+q
[05:45] <Myrtti> :->
[05:45] <plex0r> i think im smart but dazed owns me
[05:45] <plex0r> lol
[05:45] <plex0r> hes so l33t
[05:45] <jesuel> ooh, so thats where this terminal went.
[05:45] <plex0r> jk
[05:45] <jesuel> *I KNEW* i was still connected to irc
[05:45] <BiteMeBill> plex0r: Well tell dazed to get his hand off your lap
[05:45] <knucks> yay
[05:45] <knucks> :D
[05:45] <neighborlee> Myrtti, nice site miia..added to friends list
[05:45] <dazed> my hands are no where near his lap
[05:45] <plex0r> there on his
[05:45] <plex0r> lol
[05:45] <plex0r> well
[05:46] <neighborlee> BiteMeBill, thx for helping him..I got distracted for a sec
[05:46] <plex0r> on both keyboards
[05:46] <dazed> at the same time
[05:46] <dazed> wierd
[05:46] <plex0r> huh
[05:46] <knucks> is there a guide to get DivX and other video codecs working?
[05:46] <BiteMeBill> neighborlee: No problem..  I just get frustrated when people don't use the tools that Ubuntu has given.
[05:46] <dazed> knucks
[05:46] <dazed> have u cehcekd the starter guide
[05:46] <knucks> dazed: nope
[05:46] <dazed> go
[05:46] <dazed> lol
[05:47] <knucks> is it the one Bill sent me to?
[05:47] <neighborlee> BiteMeBill, well newbies are usually of the windows mentality where things usually are pretty easy...just how it is
[05:47] <BiteMeBill> knucks: book mark this site and I will send you one more site too.  http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:47] <knucks> thanks
[05:47] <neighborlee> BiteMeBill, which isn't bad perse at all...linux ( some distros ) take a slightly different approach with some things ;-))
[05:47] <BiteMeBill> and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:48] <neighborlee> BiteMeBill, thankfully ubuntu is going for easy of use
[05:48] <knucks> ok thanks
[05:48] <neighborlee> ease
[05:48] <knucks> let me see if i can get mm codecs working
[05:48] <BiteMeBill> neighborlee: those two areas makes it easier and at the same time one learns instead of just doing.
[05:49] <neighborlee> BiteMeBill, yup tis true indeed
[05:49] <knucks> it tells me to get sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:49] <knucks> but then i get an error: COuldn't find package w32codecs
[05:49] <fgx> knucks, it is in marillat repos
[05:50] <knucks> fgx: where at?
[05:50] <neighborlee> knucks, sounds like you haven't enabled your universe or mabye marilat repositories
[05:50] <fgx> knucks, wait a mom
[05:50] <neighborlee> fgx, oops ;-)
[05:50] <BiteMeBill> knucks: I don't mean to sound like a prick but read this and then through the ubuntuguide  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[05:51] <neighborlee> Myrtti, how did you get intertered in linux/ubuntu if I may ask
[05:51] <stuNNed> Myrtti: i like  the alt+number then letters underneath!
[05:51] <knucks> BiteMeBill: naw its cool.
[05:51] <knucks> i did most of those things already
[05:51] <BiteMeBill> Alot of your answers are in there and will walk you through everything.  And you will have a better understanding of how things are working on your system.
[05:51] <knucks> i didnt do #3
[05:51] <BiteMeBill> #3 is in both pages.
[05:52] <fgx> knucks, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main  i think you can find it here
[05:52] <knucks> actually I did do #3
[05:52] <knucks> fgx: what am i looking for in there?
[05:53] <BiteMeBill> knucks: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:53] <neighborlee> knucks, while working at the commmand line is kewl synaptic is your friend too ( and you can browse for some really kewl games/apps that way too)
[05:53] <fgx> knucks, add that line to /etc/apt/sources
[05:53] <knucks> ahh ok
[05:54] <neighborlee> knucks, for future reference..you can also add them via synatic's interface
[05:54] <Slaggy> .list
[05:54] <Myrtti> neighborlee: quirk. we had to learn how to install linux to a computer in my previous school, I had dual boot for a while with Win98 / Red Hat 8, then switched to vanilla W98
[05:55] <Myrtti> my at-that-time-SO wasn't into Linux that much, so...
[05:56] <neighborlee> Myrtti, ahhh very kewl indeed
[05:56] <Myrtti> well, my current is more so, and things led to another. Besides, I need some "heavy duty" software, and because my computer is a bit old, I used Win2K and Sodipodi, Gimp, etc, but I didn't quite get the best out of them
[05:56] <knucks> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:56] <knucks> BiteMeBill: So i should do that?
[05:56] <Myrtti> I had the mentality of "why pay when you can have stuff free"
[05:57] <Myrtti> that's why sodipodi etc open source stuff
[05:57] <neighborlee> Myrtti, I skipped around from one distro to another till settling in with ubuntu.my main focus was gnome .and well automounting helps and security and stability..so it was a perrrfect fit ;-))
[05:57] <Myrtti> but then when I needed to do some flyers for a website me and a fellow nerdette are maintaining...
[05:57] <neighborlee> Myrtti, yup many of us do..as you settle in you realize that 'free/open source' is KEWL anyway ;-00
[05:57] <BiteMeBill> knucks: yes if you want to add the repositories
[05:57] <knucks> ok thanks
[05:57] <Myrtti> that was so painful experience, I decided to switch to pure Linux
[05:58] <BiteMeBill> knucks: your welcome.
[05:58] <neighborlee> Myrtti, ah..yeah sodipod is nice...I use it for fold out flyers
[05:58] <Myrtti> and now I've got Scribus and lot's of other good stuff, and I don't need to pull my hair
[05:58] <neighborlee> I mean s cribus
[05:58] <arbeck> Does anyone want to help me with a couple of problems?
[05:58] <Myrtti> I used Debian last year about this time of the year
[05:59] <yatana> grefxd
[05:59] <Myrtti> but it was a pain in the ass with my that time hardware
[05:59] <JDahl> arbeck, just ask your question
[05:59] <BiteMeBill> arbeck: shout it out maybe someone has an answer for you.
[05:59] <Myrtti> and I tried Mandrake, and Fedora
[05:59] <yatana> alguien habla espaol
[05:59] <arbeck> first problem:  nautilus keeps asking for a blank cd whenever i try to burn one.  Event though there is a blank cd in the drive
[05:59] <Myrtti> Fedora was nice, until my power supply exploded
[05:59] <knucks> I ran the sudo apt-get update
[05:59] <neighborlee> Myrtti, yeah mdk and f eodra have their pluses
[05:59] <knucks> and i get this:
[05:59] <Myrtti> and besides I liked Debian more
[06:00] <knucks> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[06:00] <knucks> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[06:00] <BiteMeBill> arbeck: have you tried putting a different one in just to make sure ot
[06:00] <neighborlee> Myrtti, fedora is too bleeding edge for me trust but its nice in alot of other ways..mdk is too commecialized
[06:00] <BiteMeBill> it's not a bad CD?
[06:00] <Myrtti> I heard a lot of good stuff about ubuntu, so I decided to give it a try
[06:00] <neighborlee> Myrtti, although they are doing something right by being #1 and 2 at distrowatch <G>
[06:00] <neighborlee> Myrtti, ditto
[06:00] <rubixXx> doesn't linux have a local mail box...for some reason i have 14 emails locally and i don't know where the local mailbox is
[06:00] <aeolist> md5sum is your friend
[06:00] <Myrtti> I was stunned when X worked out perfectly without hassle
[06:00] <BiteMeBill> knucks: check it over and see why there are two of the same in there.
[06:00] <Myrtti> not to mention Samba
[06:00] <njs12345> rubixXx: which client?
[06:00] <neighborlee> Myrtti, that and having sound 'out of the box' isn't too bad either ;-))
[06:01] <neighborlee> Myrtti, hmmm really?
[06:01] <Myrtti> can't deny that
[06:01] <rubixXx> njs12345): there is a local email box on most linux machines...i need to find where its at, no client is necessary
[06:01] <neighborlee> Myrtti, friend of mine had  trouble connecting her windows partitins I think with samba..
[06:01] <Myrtti> yeah, I had Samba working perfectly
[06:01] <tizen> rubixXx: /var/spool/mail/<user name>
[06:01] <arbeck> BiteMeBill: yep, tried that... gnomebaker, cdrecord, and cdrdao all work fine... it's only nautilus that won't work
[06:01] <rubixXx> tizen): ty
[06:01] <BiteMeBill> rubixXx: /var/mail/ <username>
[06:01] <Myrtti> now I don't, but that's not my bad but my SO's
[06:01] <neighborlee> Myrtti, odd maybe she had some weird settings then...shrug
[06:01] <Myrtti> even our Xbox can't see his shares
[06:01] <neighborlee> lol
[06:02] <neighborlee> xbox huh
[06:02] <neighborlee> Myrtti, tinkering with the ole xbox huh <G>
[06:02] <Myrtti> modded xbox, of course
[06:02] <BiteMeBill> arbeck: I'm not sure then. Is it saving information from a previous burn?
[06:02] <rubixXx> ty
[06:03] <mz2> is there a NetworkManager binary somewhere for warty?
[06:03] <rubixXx> to restart sound isn't it like invoke.rc sound restart ?
[06:03] <knucks> BiteMeBill: ok i added the extra repositories
[06:03] <arbeck> BiteMeBill: what do you mean?  nautilus has never worked
[06:03] <rubixXx> nautilus works fine for me
[06:04] <Myrtti> neighborlee: oh, did I mention... I like to live dangerously
[06:04] <BiteMeBill> knucks: have you dont' the update and then you should have them all listed in your synaptic
[06:04] <Myrtti> I keep my repositories on hoary
[06:04] <knucks> yeh all my repositories are installed
[06:05] <knucks> i checked through synaptic
[06:05] <eruin> anyone know where firefox stores its themes?
[06:05] <fgx> eruin, chrome i think
[06:05] <BiteMeBill> arbeck: I've had it when nautilus has saved stuff from a previous burn and it was giving me problems.  Don't remember most of it just found out it was an error on my part that I had when leaving something checkmarked.
[06:05] <neighborlee> Myrtti, I get that impression
[06:05] <arbeck> rubixXx: it's not that nautilus competely doesn't work... just the cdburning functionality
[06:05] <neighborlee> Myrtti, heh
[06:06] <Myrtti> I want some kick ass wallpapers
[06:06] <BiteMeBill> knucks: what are you wanting to install?
[06:06] <knucks> im doing this:
[06:06] <Myrtti> I just deleted a whole bunch of old boring wallpapers
[06:06] <knucks> sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[06:06] <arbeck> BiteMeBill: that's definately not it... because there would be nothing to save as I've never been able to use it to burn anything
[06:06] <knucks> and mplayer
[06:06] <knucks> so i can play divx
[06:06] <neighborlee> Myrtti, I think you can find some at gnome.org
[06:07] <regeya> neat...there's a push now to lower gnome memory usage.  'bout time. ;-)
[06:07] <BiteMeBill> knucks: what does sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts return?
[06:07] <Myrtti> and you think I didn't look? :-D
[06:07] <knucks> some packages. its a plugin for firefox
[06:07] <Myrtti> neighborlee: did that, and hebus.com, and deviantart :->
[06:07] <knucks> its all installed
[06:07] <neighborlee> Myrtti, ah kewl
[06:07] <knucks> but i cant play video in ..say...Totem
[06:07] <dazed> Bitemebill: went to go have a smoke hahah
[06:07] <neighborlee> knucks, you prob. need : libdvdcss2
[06:07] <Myrtti> try totem-xine
[06:07] <dazed> xine-ui
[06:07] <BiteMeBill> dazed: sure!!!  LOL
[06:08] <knucks> neighborlee: apt-get it?
[06:08] <neighborlee> knucks, yup
[06:08] <neighborlee> knucks, long as you have universe ( or is it marillat) enabled
[06:08] <Myrtti> I think I'll go and have another peek at those wallpapers
[06:08] <dazed> knucks 'apt-get install xine-ui'
[06:08] <dazed> its better then totem poop
[06:08] <dazed> lol
[06:08] <rubixXx> how do you restart the sound server?
[06:08] <neighborlee> knucks, use synaptic its easier..although staying fresh with the commandline is never a bad thing ;-)
[06:08] <BiteMeBill> knucks: I'm not sure about Totem.  We didnt' get along very long and I went with gXine and VLC
[06:08] <knucks> im getting apt-get install xine-ui
[06:09] <Myrtti> methinks I'm too nerd
[06:09] <dazed> yeah me and totem didnt work out too well
[06:09] <neighborlee> Myrtti, join the crowd LOL
[06:09] <BiteMeBill> rubixXx: you may need to restart gnome.
[06:09] <dazed> i love xine-ui hvaent tried gxine
[06:09] <rubixXx> BiteMeBill): no i can restart sound server
[06:09] <Tomcat_> dazed: I love xine-ui as well... gxine always crashed on me.
[06:10] <BiteMeBill> initd.rc sound restart ??
[06:10] <arbeck> Okay problem number two... my USB 2.0 HD doesn't work.  I get this error message, usb 3-6: device not accepting address 4, error -71.  I believe this is a kernel issue... any ideas?  anyone know an easy way to switch kernels?
[06:10] <regeya> you could install totem-xine, but that uninstalls ubuntu-desktop for some reason
[06:10] <knucks> haha
[06:10] <knucks> mm Chapelle Show :D
[06:10] <BiteMeBill> regeya: LMAO  I think I will stay away from that but thanks for the warning.
[06:11] <dazed> xmms cuts off all my other sound when its on...any way to fix...?
[06:12] <Tomcat_> regeya: totem-xine replaces totem-gstreamer, but ubuntu-desktop depends on totem-gstreamer... so installation of totem-xine will uninstall ubuntu-desktop.
[06:12] <BiteMeBill> arbeck: I'm not sure on that one and will be quiet on that one.
[06:12] <Dell> hey google http://www.otomotivshow.com/  :)
[06:12] <aeolist> and so what
[06:13] <Dell> hey google http://www.otomotivshow.com/  :)
[06:13] <regeya> Tomcat_, indeed...but there's no good reason for that, though I suppose the devs want to *require* the gstreamer version of totem
[06:13] <knucks> how do i "uninstall" Totem + Rhythmbox?
[06:13] <aeolist> you can live without ubuntu-desktop
[06:13] <dazed> no need knux
[06:13] <dazed> knucks*
[06:13] <knucks> dazed: why?
[06:13] <regeya> yeah...there are wild rumors that not having ubuntu-desktop installed can mess with the upgrade process (though I've had no worries)
[06:13] <BiteMeBill> knucks: easiest way for you would be through synaptic.
[06:13] <Levander> Is the MySQL query browser application not available via the Ubuntu repositories?
[06:14] <Levander> mysql.com says its available under the GPL
[06:14] <knucks> can you run me through as how id do that?
[06:14] <knucks> i have Synaptic open
[06:14] <aeolist> knucks: through synaptic
[06:14] <rubixXx> how do i restart my sound server
[06:14] <BiteMeBill> knucks: Do a search for each one and then right click it and choose uninstall
[06:14] <Levander> rubixxx, look for a script in /etc/init.d
[06:14] <knucks> ahh that easy eh?
[06:14] <knucks> THanks
[06:15] <rubixXx> Levander): what do i open the file in
[06:15] <eruin> anyone here got the pinstripe theme for firefox?
[06:15] <arbeck> Levander: I installed mysqlcc through synaptic easy enough
[06:15] <Levander> rubixxx, don't have to open any file
[06:15] <fgx> eruin, what's the matter?
[06:15] <Levander> "ls /etc/init.d" will give u a bunch of start / stop scripts, look for one named after your sound server
[06:16] <Levander> arbeck, looking for mysqlcc in apt-cache search now
[06:16] <Levander> arbeck, cool, found it, didn't know it was called mysqlcc, great!
[06:17] <rubixXx> Levander): thank you
[06:17] <dazed> all other sound cuts off when xmms is playing...any wayt to fix?
[06:17] <arbeck> Levander: it's alot more than a query browser... it's also a table manager, and database manager... but it will let you run SQL queries
[06:17] <krix> hey
[06:17] <Levander> arbeck, don't think i'll use it right away, but u know the package name for the MySQL Administrator application?
[06:17] <krix> i installed ubuntu array6 amd64 version at now.
[06:17] <aeolist> has anybody tried epiphany?
[06:18] <krix> I want to install NVidia drivers for my system, but the installer say error to me.
[06:18] <Levander> rubixxx, all your system daemons have scripts in there to start and stop
[06:18] <Levander> rubixxx, u figured out how to run the script?
[06:18] <BiteMeBill> dazed: I remember reading about how to play two sounds at once in the forums.  But I'm not sure.
[06:18] <eruin> fgx: if so, I'd like to have a look at it =)
[06:18] <arbeck> Levander: I'm pretty sure mysqlcc can do every thing the mysql administrator can
[06:18] <regeya> what's the name of the most current mysql admin program...I'd search for it if I knew...I have mysqlcc installed, though it's obsolete
[06:18] <krix> i saw /var/log/nvidia-installer.log and it says some compiling error.
[06:18] <eruin> I'm tired of being stuck with the gnome theme and the qute theme
[06:19] <krix> something bad in include/linux/prefetch.h (some void * thing)
[06:19] <krix> any idea please? :)
[06:19] <Tomcat_> regeya: I think the reason behind this is that the devs want people to have a general installed based of packages, so ubuntu-desktop depends on everything...
[06:19] <Tomcat_> regeya: Like... easier for support and updates.
[06:19] <dazed> ok...also...how do i get a PIM list so i can kill a PIM
[06:19] <krix> i can not install nvidia drivers with apt-get because i'm using 2.6.11-1 package from ubuntu and it has not got modules for this kernel version.
[06:19] <Levander> rubixxx, okay, I'm just looking at the mysql pages for the first time, no real idea what these things do.  Maybe I won't need the administrator app
[06:19] <fgx> eruin, did u have a look at tools-->themes in firefox?
[06:19] <Levander> rubixxx, would be nice to know the name of the package in case i wanna check it out later though
[06:20] <Myrtti> goddammit I hate google search for firefox
[06:20] <Myrtti> no wait
[06:20] <Myrtti> I don't hate it
[06:20] <regeya> what's 'the administrator app'
[06:20] <Myrtti> I just don't like it
[06:20] <Levander> arbeck, those last two were for u, not rubixxx, i messed up
[06:20] <eruin> fgx: yes. 99.9% of the themes on their site suck :P I want the pinstripe theme, as seen on http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=1590386717404602429c41d&p=screen ;-)
[06:20] <Levander> regeya, http://www.mysql.com/products/administrator/
[06:20] <dazed> whast the syntax for gettin the PIM list ?
[06:20] <BiteMeBill> regeya: would webmin cover that?
[06:21] <rubixXx> hmmm
[06:21] <rubixXx> i don't have any sound
[06:21] <rubixXx> imma try to restart gnome
[06:21] <Levander> rubixxx, u figured out how to run those scripts?
[06:21] <arbeck> Levander: well, i administrate a mysql database here... and I've never needed anything more than mysqlcc
[06:21] <fgx> eruin, did u try googling a little bit more?
[06:21] <Levander> rubixxx, run 'scriptname stop' to stop daemon, then 'scriptname start' to restart it
[06:21] <dazed> BiteMeBill: u know the string for gettin the PIM list?
[06:22] <Levander> arbeck, cool the query browser oughtta be more than enough for now, thanks!
[06:22] <dazed> my xmms stalled up and i cant close it
[06:22] <LordC> How do you change the default sound device?
[06:22] <Levander> arbeck, give me plenty to play w, i'll keep in mind i prolly don't even need the adminstrator app
[06:22] <BiteMeBill> ps -aux ?
[06:22] <Myrtti> you atleast had xmms working
[06:22] <Myrtti> I can't get mine starting
[06:23] <larsson_> Hi. Just installed Ubuntu on my other computer. Works fine, but it cant boot Windows from grub. I can mount the NTFS windows partition in Linux, and it works fine. Its located in /dev/hda1 and it works fine. But when choosing Windows in grub, it says: "rootnoverify (hd0,0) make active chainloader +1" then, nothing more happens. Any ideas?
[06:23] <rubixXx> hmmmm no sound
[06:23] <Myrtti> or it starts, but vanishes in a heartbeat
[06:23] <regeya> dunno, Levander, but it looks really handy :-/
[06:23] <arbeck> Levander: what are you using MySQL for?
[06:23] <krix> hm.
[06:23] <krix> any idea ?
[06:23] <regeya> 'no you don't need to use MySQL for that are you crazy?'
[06:23] <fgx> eruin, mmm... it seems it is available only for mac osx
[06:23] <Levander> arbeck, basically to learn it, spent six hours yesterday learning by trial and error the grant privileges
[06:23] <BiteMeBill> regeya: did you look at this?  http://www.mysql.com/products/administrator/
[06:23] <fgx> eruin, dunno why
[06:23] <Levander> then finally found good article about it today
[06:24] <regeya> BiteMeBill, why yes I did, after Levander pointed it out to me.
[06:24] <larsson_> No one knows anything about my grub issue?
[06:24] <BiteMeBill> regeya: Sorry day late and a dollar short here.  LOL
[06:24] <Levander> regeya, don't know mysql for what??
[06:25] <arbeck> Levander: do you have a specific use you want to use it for?  I'd sometimes suggest other databases for most work
[06:25] <Levander> dont need mysql for what*
[06:25] <Levander> arbeck, just running wordpress
[06:25] <eruin> fgx: I know why, but judging by that screenshot, someone has sliced one up for win/linux
[06:25] <regeya> Levander, sorry, I was making a cynical prediction about the direction the conversation was going :->
[06:25] <Levander> regeya, ha!
[06:25] <regeya> hence the quotes
[06:25] <rubixXx> anyone have any ideas on troubleshooting my sound
[06:26] <Levander> regeya, u see what arbeck said, u guessed right!
[06:26] <Levander> arbeck, what u recommend for web sites in general?
[06:26] <BiteMeBill> larsson_: do you need to install grub or do you need to edit the grub list?
[06:26] <regeya> indeed.
[06:26] <regeya> a lot of people tend to recommend postgresql...I couldn
[06:26] <djp> do i need to enable spamd by editing the /etc/default/spamassassin file to use spamassassin with evolution?
[06:26] <Levander> arbeck, i saw postgesql won ars-technica's database of the year
[06:27] <regeya> t possibly make a recommendation b/c I have no need for a database server, really
[06:27] <regeya> k-lined!
[06:27] <regeya> heh
[06:27] <Levander> those ars awards is where i found out about ubuntu, that was an excellent recommendation
[06:27] <larsson_> Hi. Just installed Ubuntu on my other computer. Works fine, but it cant boot Windows from grub. I can mount the NTFS windows partition in Linux, and it works fine. Its located in /dev/hda1 and it works fine. But when choosing Windows in grub, it says: "rootnoverify (hd0,0) make active chainloader +1" then, nothing more happens. Any ideas?
[06:27] <Levander> was thinking there might be more great stuff in there i should try
[06:28] <arbeck> Levander: for most websites MySQL is fine... it's quick dirty and easy... and very fast.  Just make sure you back up often, and hope your data isn't the most important... plus MySQL has the upside that alot of web software was created with it in mind
[06:28] <Levander> arbeck, if back-ups are that important, how will i know when my data starts getting corrupted?
[06:28] <robertj> arbeck: MySQL is fine for very important data
[06:28] <Levander> arbeck, worried the data in my backups is corrupted
[06:28] <arbeck> arbeck: however, if you are really interested in doing something mission critical... postgres or firebird is probably better
[06:29] <arbeck> Levander: it's not that data gets corrupted... i've just seen data dissappaear
[06:29] <Levander> thought firebird was the original name of the firefox browser, it's a dbms?
[06:29] <rubixXx> hmm....for some reason my sound isn't working at all.  I have the emu10k1 modules loaded into the kernel...i have tried restarting the server, volume is up, speakers are hooked up correctly but still no sound
[06:29] <arbeck> Levander: now you know why they changed it to firefox :)
[06:29] <robertj> Levander: mysql has the huge advantage of being available on all the major platforms + having a good win32 odbc connector
[06:30] <Levander> arbeck, fuck, how would i know when it disappear?  What if it disappears, i make a bunch of backups, then i notice.  it's not in the backups anymore!
[06:30] <aeolist> who had an xmms issue?
[06:30] <dazed> i do
[06:30] <dazed> cant play 2 sounds at once
[06:30] <aeolist> did you install libmikmod2 ?
[06:30] <Levander> arbeck, how??
[06:31] <Montagh> wouldnt install for me
[06:31] <dazed> when xmms is playing
[06:31] <aeolist> oh, that's a different issu
[06:31] <aeolist> i think ubuntuforums is full of answers for that
[06:31] <arbeck> Levander: no... not like that... i've never had data dissappear from my DB... i've had a bunch of data get inserted, and it dissapears before it ever gets written to disc.  It doesn't happen very often (probably 2x in 3 years) but when it does it just looks like the insert failed
[06:31] <dazed> can i get a link...to lazy to open browser lol
[06:31] <Levander> arbeck, okay cool
[06:32] <Levander> arbeck, will remind me when i'm writing software for it, make damn sure insert works before i get rid of data I created for it, prolly a good idea in general anyway.
[06:32] <arbeck> Levander: MySQL is fine for most home databases... and slashdot.org uses it, so it can scale well... it's just not what i would call mission critical yet... I use it for my website though without issue
[06:33] <arbeck> Levander: that's always a good idea...
[06:33] <aeolist> is gnomebaker on the repositories?
[06:33] <arbeck> Levander: http://arbeck.net if you want to see a simple site that uses it
[06:33] <Levander> arbeck, what u think is best database client, to do queries and such, available (for free) on Linux?
[06:34] <Levander> arbeck, i checked out the new OOo database application in OOo 2, thought it sucked, looked incomplete, may be better, later, like next year
[06:34] <HeinrchWulfli> hi freaks
[06:34] <arbeck> Levander: for mysql, mysqlcc is the best for me... but i find if I'm going to be doing anything complicated I just do it myself in python
[06:34] <Levander> arbeck, would be nice if it can connect to any db, including commercial ones
[06:34] <aeolist> us freaks?
[06:34] <aeolist> nah
[06:34] <robertj> MySQL + phpMyAdmin is ok
[06:35] <Levander> arbeck, any good ones that connect to multiple DB, commercial server or otherwise?
[06:35] <djp> anybody here know how to use spamassassin?
[06:35] <Levander> robertj, phpMyAdmin lets u do queries?
[06:35] <shock> apt-get install spamassasin
[06:35] <shock> ?
[06:35] <scizzo> djp: depends in what you want to use it
[06:35] <HeinrchWulfli> is there a netinstall image out there?
[06:35] <scizzo> djp: spamc is the command to use for spamassassin
[06:35] <andrewski> can anyone recommend a good ogg encoder frontend?  (i've been using grip for mp3s.)
[06:36] <robertj> Levander: SQL queries
[06:36] <scizzo> andrewski: sound-juicer
[06:36] <Levander> andrewski, grip also works for ogg, it's what i used to use
[06:36] <djp> shock: do i need to enable spamd? it is deisabled by default
[06:36] <robertj> it does have a really bare-bones gui query builder
[06:36] <arbeck> Levander: that I don't know... every commercial server i've used has always come with it's own front end... of course my knowledge of commercial databases is limited to Oracle, SQL Server, and Informix
[06:36] <andrewski> Levander: "used to"?
[06:36] <Quest-Master> phpMyAdmin rocks.
[06:36] <djp> scizzo: i want to use it with evolution
[06:36] <Levander> andrewski, haven't used it in awhile, coupla years
[06:36] <andrewski> scizzo: is it better than grip, or just the default for ubuntu? :)
[06:36] <arbeck> andrewski: grip works fine for ogg...
[06:36] <HeinrchWulfli> i just found http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71  but it seems to be a dirty way.. isnt there another way??
[06:36] <robertj> phpMyAdmin's permissions interface is really good
[06:36] <Levander> andrewski, grip lets u set of lot more options than sound-juicer, sound-juicer for newbies
[06:36] <andrewski> Levander: in favor of something else, or not using anything....
[06:37] <andrewski> ?
[06:37] <djp> scizzo: do i need to enable spamd to use with evolution? spamd is disabled by default?
[06:37] <Myrtti> chocolate!
[06:37] <arbeck> andrewski: sound-juicer really can't do enough... i needed to rip to flac, and then convert to mp3, grip can do things like that sound-juicer can't
[06:37] <Levander> andrewski, just have done any ripping in a coupla years, usu get my music over internet now, not CD's, all my CD's already ripped
[06:37] <dazed> yeah no xmms thing on the forums
[06:37] <Levander> arbeck, exactly, that's the diff between the two
[06:38] <andrewski> arbeck: yeah, i don't like sound-juicer, just wanted to see if there was anything else.
[06:38] <andrewski> Levander: ok, thanks.
[06:38] <Levander> arbeck, makes me feel better about your db recommendations
[06:38] <andrewski> i'm sticking to grip!
[06:38] <Montagh> i vote for grip
[06:38] <dhen> is there a GUI for internet dial-up in ubuntu? because i am usin wvdial.
[06:38] <Montagh> gkdial
[06:39] <aeolist> gnome-ppp
[06:39] <Montagh> altho i use gnome-ppp
[06:39] <Levander> i fixed a bug in grip, that programmer's not the best, but he's worked so hard on grip, he's got the functionality working as far as the user is concerned
[06:39] <aeolist> better than gkdial :)
[06:39] <vince> how do i chance background color and font colors in xemacs?
[06:39] <aeolist> montagh lol
[06:39] <Montagh> hehe
[06:39] <arbeck> Levander: I'd also suggest learning python and how to pass queries to mysql through it... it's how I do alot of 'remote' maitenance
[06:39] <dhen> Montagh, is it installed by default?
[06:39] <Montagh> nup, i had to find it elsewhere
[06:39] <Montagh> it wasnt in any of my sources
[06:40] <Levander> arbeck, yeah, lots in common in our computer geek choices, i just wrote a 300 line python script to download all my favorite NPR programs via cron every day
[06:40] <JDahl> vince, options->edit faces
[06:40] <Levander> love python
[06:40] <hikaru79> If I've updated to hoary, and am now using xorg, it's safe to remove xfree86, right?
[06:40] <HeinrchWulfli> pls help
[06:40] <dhen> where can i download gnome-ppp for gnome 2.8.x
[06:40] <JDahl> hikaru79, yes
[06:40] <Levander> arbeck, never used it to talk to a database though
[06:40] <hikaru79> Thanks, JDahl =)
[06:40] <Quest-Master> hikaru79: Did you upgrade to Hoary? How stable is it?
[06:40] <knucks> guys help
[06:40] <hikaru79> Quest-Master, it's great
[06:40] <knucks> i need to find a file i moved
[06:40] <hikaru79> They're very close to release
[06:41] <hikaru79> Everything seems to be very very fine
[06:41] <HeinrchWulfli> noone helps here
[06:41] <hikaru79> I've gotten my NVidia card all set up
[06:41] <hikaru79> Network is no problem
[06:41] <BiteMeBill> knucks find -name <filename> should work
[06:41] <hikaru79> Haven't encountered a single problem yet =)
[06:41] <arbeck> Levander: I've got python scripts on cron that do alot to my database... for instance: I have a list of every CD I own on my database.  But I don't want to manually insert them.  So a python script queries my ripped cd's nightly and if it finds one that isn't online it inserts it
[06:42] <vince> cool, thanks JDahl
[06:42] <Montagh> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gnome-ppp
[06:42] <dhen> Montagh, where did u find gnome-ppp for gnome 2.8.x? gnome-ppp-0.3.20 is only for 2.6
[06:43] <Montagh> ah not sure
[06:44] <hikaru79> What is "Anjuta2" called? I remember that they call it something else now...
[06:45] <JDahl> hikaru79, explore the wonders of apt-cache search anjuta
[06:47] <blizah> anything to be warry about with ubuntu on a laptop?
[06:48] <blizah> 1-1.5 years old
[06:48] <tck> blizah, no probs for me
[06:48] <tck> mine is about 6-8 years old
[06:48] <blizah> what about the wifi?
[06:48] <BiteMeBill> blizah: Yea make sure it's linux compatable first.  LOL
[06:48] <tck> blizah, im using wifi at the mo, a la orinoco card
[06:48] <LinuxJones> blizah, what kind of card do you have ?
[06:48] <blizah> its in the pci slot and its a aiwa or something (its my friends laptop)
[06:50] <LinuxJones> blizah, you should try to find out what kind of chipset the card uses and check here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:50] <blizah> k
[06:50] <Levander> arbeck, what was your website? think i am gonna check it out
[06:50] <blizah> tnx
[06:51] <hikaru79> I have a vfat partition on my hard drive that I'm wanting to share between Windows and Ubuntu. The Ubuntu installer was great with adding it to fstab, but what should I change so that ALL linux users have full permissions on it?
[06:51] <hikaru79> Should I change 'defaults' to 'rw,user,noauto'?
[06:52] <aeolist> yeah
[06:52] <andrewski> anyone use oggenc?  should i use -b or -q for encoding files?
[06:52] <aeolist> nope
[06:52] <Levander> arbeck, from looking at the suggested packages for mysqlcc, it does look like that client can talk to postgreSQL
[06:52] <BiteMeBill> hikaru79: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat
[06:52] <johnwlittle> automountfat..theres a joke in there somewhere
[06:53] <hikaru79> BiteMeBill, it's already automounting
[06:53] <Quest-Master> BiteMeBill: That doesn't work properly
[06:53] <hikaru79> I'm just wondering what to change to give full permissions to regular users
[06:53] <hikaru79> Can I do "defaults,users"?
[06:53] <hikaru79> (For "<Options>")
[06:53] <BiteMeBill> the umask doesn't work right?
[06:53] <Quest-Master> I've tried but always gotten problems somewhere
[06:53] <Quest-Master> :\
[06:53] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[06:54] <Quest-Master> Maybe rw,exec,suid.. since defaults = (nosuid, rw, noexec) and a few more things
[06:54] <BiteMeBill> hmmm It's working here fine for both vfat and ntfs
[06:55] <Quest-Master> Weird
[06:55] <erlend_> Does anybody have the problem that gnome is taking about 5 minutes before it responds (right after i log in).. after that, it starts normally
[06:55] <erlend_> i use hoary
[06:55] <erlend_> the problem has been there for several weeks
[06:55] <BiteMeBill> BRB
[06:56] <rattboi> hi guys
[06:56] <rattboi> I have a few questions
[06:56] <ernstp> is there a way to enable smooth-scroll in ubuntu?
[06:57] <rattboi> I already had one system that I started with Warty, then apt-get'd to hoary
[06:57] <ernstp> gentoo has the smoothscroll patch as default
[06:57] <rattboi> but I just installed Hoary from a nightly cd, and I seem to be having some issues getting some of the stuff that works on my other system working
[06:58] <rattboi> before, I followed ubuntu guide and got multimedia codecs working, but this time it said it can't
[06:59] <jeff__> hey guys, my sister turned off my ubuntu the other day just by pressing the power button
[06:59] <jeff__> now everytime i leave my computer on over night when i wake up its frozen
[07:00] <jeff__> any ideas of what i could do
[07:00] <ernstp> fsck?
[07:01] <BiteMeBill> Quest-Master: That is what I have in my fstab and seems to be working fine on both machines.
[07:01] <jeff__> dosent want to run on a mounted file system
[07:01] <ernstp> no, you have to use a rescue disc, livecd
[07:02] <jeff__> ooh ok
[07:02] <jeff__> see when that happend when i was on slackware, it noticed the damage done to the file system and ran checks then fixed them
[07:03] <jeff__>  on boot, does ubuntu linux not do the same?
[07:04] <BiteMeBill> jeff__: Only when it hasn't done it in certain amount of times.
[07:04] <BiteMeBill> ie: 30 startups.
[07:04] <rattboi> does marillat's repo need a PGP key now?
[07:05] <jeff__> so do you guys think if i run fschk with a live cd, then it will solve my problems of freezing up?
[07:05] <BiteMeBill> jeff__: if there is corruption there it should.
[07:05] <jeff__> oh
[07:05] <[m0rph] > has anyone here built beagle?
[07:06] <rattboi> anyone?
[07:06] <[m0rph] > er, I mean someone
[07:06] <rattboi> I'm getting errors when trying to connect to marillat's repo because of some security
[07:06] <BiteMeBill> rattboi: I haven't had to add anything to mine so I don't think so.
[07:06] <jeff__> does freezing up after being on all night sound like it could be a file system problem?
[07:07] <BiteMeBill> corruption can do and cause lots of things.
[07:07] <regeya> jeff__: dunno, but it may behoove you to fsck
[07:07] <jeff__> ahh
[07:08] <BiteMeBill> rattboi: I just checked with mine and it had no problems connecting.
[07:08] <djp> do i need to enable spamd in order to use spamassassin with evolution?
[07:09] <StoffBox-Steve> can i remove screenserver that not are in use ?
[07:11] <rattboi> ah
[07:11] <rattboi> just found what was going on, I think
[07:11] <rattboi> well, at least part of my problem
[07:11] <BiteMeBill> rattboi: do share
[07:11] <rattboi> I think I can use marillat's repo with apt-get, but not synaptic
[07:11] <rattboi> I was missing the main repos :P
[07:12] <rattboi> I had multi and uni, but not main
[07:12] <BiteMeBill> rattboi: well that might help. LOL  I used Synaptic when I checked.
[07:13] <rattboi> huh
[07:13] <rattboi> can I paste the message I get?
[07:14] <rattboi> well, mp3 works now :P
[07:14] <froust> Anyone know what the name of the default gnome text editor is?
[07:14] <StoffBox-Steve> gedit i think froust
[07:15] <rattboi> yeah, gedit
[07:15] <rattboi> btw, does anyone here use system monitor applet?
[07:15] <rattboi> mine is reporting that swap is 0% used
[07:15] <froust> thanks
[07:19] <StoffBox-Steve> whats your Fav. Linux Game Guys ?
[07:20] <Loevborg> StoffBox-Steve, I like frozen-bubble. (the only one I really played)
[07:20] <StoffBox-Steve> i use it rattboi ... but by me swap is 0% use too :)
[07:20] <Loevborg> StoffBox-Steve, the best games are old commercial games you can play with scummvm or dosbox
[07:21] <zeedo> StoffBox-Steve: Enemy Territory
[07:21] <StoffBox-Steve> hehe Loevborg i love the old C64 game :)
[07:21] <rattboi> StoffBox-Steve, is that an error, or are we actually not using any swap?
[07:21] <rattboi> I can't imagine no swap
[07:21] <rattboi> oh
[07:22] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i think i dont use it ... by Ram it fast 512MB (400mhz) ... and not full in use
[07:22] <rattboi> I guess I'm using 2.8 mb of swap
[07:22] <lok> rattboi, I never use my swap or just a little ^^
[07:22] <rattboi> I always thought it put like half into swap anyways
[07:22] <lok> nop
[07:22] <rattboi> but apparently it just uses swap when ram is low
[07:22] <rattboi> ok
[07:23] <rattboi> did anyone try 2.6.11-1-k7?
[07:23] <lok> when the ram is too small for a progs it's swap
[07:23] <ernstp> we have to get ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/gtk+-2.6-smoothscroll-r2.patch   into ubuntu!!
[07:23] <rattboi> I tried it and froze when gnome started
[07:23] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* nobody useing Swap ... i wounder why it says you need 2xRam for swamp ... for what ? *GG*
[07:23] <regeya> good game?
[07:23] <lok> ernstp, what's do that patch
[07:24] <LordC> My volume control broke :/ I clicked Treble, it closed - and wont open again.
[07:24] <LordC> If i try opening gnome-volume-control in terminal, it says segment fault
[07:24] <LordC> :( whats with that?
[07:24] <regeya> gnome goes through ram like a crack whore goes...nevermind.  swap is still a good idea.
[07:24] <rattboi> what are those settings to tweak my dvdrom speed to use DMA?
[07:24] <rattboi> I can't remember now
[07:25] <Loevborg> rattboi, look at "man hdparm"
[07:25] <rattboi> hdparm
[07:26] <StoffBox-Steve> swap it a good idea .. but not need 1 GB swap, i think ... my Swap is set to 450 MB ...
[07:27] <StoffBox-Steve> Loevborg, frozen-bubble is a Funny small Game :D *like it :D
[07:29] <rattboi> I have a fat32 partition that I want all users to be able to read/write
[07:29] <rattboi> how do I do that?
[07:29] <King_Crimson> hey guyd
[07:29] <rattboi> hey guy
[07:29] <King_Crimson> i got a question
[07:30] <King_Crimson> i downloaded the bubuntu iso and unrared it
[07:30] <King_Crimson> but now wat do i do
[07:30] <rattboi> unrared?
[07:30] <rattboi> what is your purpose?
[07:31] <King_Crimson> well i want to make a live cd
[07:31] <King_Crimson> so i dled the iso
[07:31] <King_Crimson> of warthog
[07:31] <rattboi> ok, then you burn the iso
[07:31] <rattboi> you don't unrar it
[07:31] <King_Crimson> the whole folder?
[07:31] <rattboi> burning programs understand isos are disk images
[07:32] <rattboi> what aer you burning with?
[07:32] <King_Crimson> cuz i have this folder it sez start, programs, exe,base, bin, copy
[07:32] <King_Crimson> nothing really
[07:32] <King_Crimson> i have a Nero trial
[07:32] <rattboi> ok, so open Nero
[07:32] <Devinci> you extratcted the iso with winrar, that is not what ou have to do to get your lice CD
[07:32] <Rocco> hat do i have to write in scaling_cur_freq so that the user can change die cpu-freq?
[07:32] <King_Crimson> o, then wat do i ahve to do
[07:33] <Myrtti> you just burn the iso with the nero you have
[07:33] <Myrtti> on CD
[07:33] <Devinci> like rattboi said, burn it ah hes gone
[07:33] <Myrtti> dumba**
[07:33] <Myrtti> sorry
[07:33] <Rocco> what do i have to write in scaling_available so that the user can change die cpu-freq?
[07:34] <henke> has the work being made on the bootup process made its way into Hoary?
[07:35] <BiteMeBill> Anyone running Hoary in here and dual booting also?
[07:35] <StoffBox-Steve> how i can uninstall game, that where installed by default ? when i try to deinstall it allways whant to deinstall ubuntu-desktop :s
[07:36] <lok> BiteMeBill, me
[07:37] <BiteMeBill> lok: Could you please send me a copy of your grub menu.lst for review of something?
[07:38] <BiteMeBill> lok: Thank you..  Now to just find where it saved.  LOL
[07:39] <Amaranth> BiteMeBill: ~/.xchat2/ ?
[07:39] <lok> in the Desktop with gnome
[07:39] <lok> or ~/.xchat2/download
[07:39] <StoffBox-Steve> .xchat/downloads/name/
[07:39] <djp> anyobdy know how to restore gnome volume control? mine has vanished :(
[07:40] <JDahl> jdp, left click panel and add applet
[07:40] <bretzel> How is array-6 compared to array-5 fully updated ??
[07:42] <djp> JDahl: left clicking but nothing happening
[07:43] <JDahl> djp, nothing happens when you left your panel? then probably gnome-panels is dead and you need to restart gnome
[07:43] <JDahl> s/left/left-click/
[07:43] <Rocco> does anyone use CPUFREQ....i need an original settig :)
[07:44] <bretzel> jDahl: -- or if you can use terminal: "killall -TERM gnome-panel"  ??
[07:44] <JDahl> bretzel, does gnome-panel automatically restart?
[07:44] <bretzel> jDahl: Yes it is set to respwan
[07:45] <bretzel> by default
[07:45] <bretzel> respawn -- sorry
[07:45] <bretzel> jDahl:  if -TERM dosen't work, -KILL, or -9
[07:46] <JDahl> djp, I meant right-clicking, of course :P
[07:53] <_miracoolix_> hi, can someone give me a pointer, why ubuntu is so popular now?
[07:53] <djp> can anybody help me out with a spamassassin question!
[07:54] <Myrtti> _miracoolix_: why are you asking ;-D
[07:54] <djp> _miracoolix_: it's getting good press on al ot of linux sites at present
[07:55] <djp> _miracoolix_: would like to know if i need to enable spamd in order to use spamassassin with evolution?
[07:56] <JDahl> _miracoolix_, I dont think there's a feature-list showing the Ubuntu is better than other distros point by point, but why dont you google for some ubuntu reviews?
[07:57] <apokryphos> There is no such thing as an objectively "best" distro. Different distributions suit different needs and/or likes.
[07:57] <_miracoolix_> I'm currently using fedora core 3 and am pretty happy. but i always like to try out new emerging things :)
[07:58] <_miracoolix_> maybe i should just install it on a spare partition
[07:59] <JDahl> _miracoolix_, one thing I find amazing about Ubuntu is that it suits the needs of both experienced users and newbies... I used Debian for years, and I love Ubuntu
[07:59] <apokryphos> I went from Fedora 3 to Ubuntu, too. They're both decent distros, but I've stuck with Ubuntu because (i) I find it faster, (ii) larger repositories, (iii) I'm warming to debian-based-systems.
[07:59] <apokryphos> And (iv) the IRC community is larger/better.
[08:00] <djp> _miracoolix_: i have moved over from fc3 just recently. i will be staying with ubuntu. however i do love fc3 as well
[08:01] <djp> _miracoolix_: only thing that i have a problem with that i did not have with fc3 is trying to get apps like tovid or avidemux to work under ubuntu. i believe there is a transcode problme with ubuntu at present
[08:02] <_miracoolix_> djp: never heard about that apps. what is it?
[08:04] <_miracoolix_> apokryphos: fcs is a really slick distro. and yum has gotten better with every release
[08:04] <_miracoolix_> sorry, fc3
[08:04] <psy> hi
[08:05] <JDahl> _miracoolix_, a bit flamebait: the Debian package manager should be reason enough to make the switch
[08:05] <apokryphos> _miracoolix_: it is a nice distro, certainly. It just doesn't have some capabilities like an apt-get dist-upgrade :P, if you like that sort of thing, which I do. Like running your distro's cvs.
[08:06] <d3s> can ubuntu support americas army game ? ( linux  version)
[08:06] <JDahl> d3s, it runs on linux doesnt it?
[08:06] <d3s> yea
[08:06] <knucks> i cant get Realplayer working
[08:06] <knucks> i tried getting it using synaptic
[08:06] <JDahl> d3s, so why wouldnt it work on ubuntu?
[08:07] <d3s> ok thx
[08:07] <_miracoolix_> JDahl: i know. apt-get is much better. little storry: my first distro was debian 1.3. i got totally lost in dselect :)
[08:07] <jupiter> Is it the normal for when creating a user account for the /home/user folder to be set for Read for Group and Everyone
[08:07] <jupiter> ?
[08:07] <knucks> Who here has gotten realplayer to work?
[08:07] <tck> me
[08:07] <JDahl> _miracoolix_, yeah... I hated dselect with all my guts, also
[08:07] <tck> follow the ubuntuguide.org instructions
[08:07] <knucks> all right ill do that i guess
[08:08] <djp> _miracoolix_: tovid and avidemux allow you to create vcd, scvd and dvd's out of .mov, .avi etc. files
[08:08] <scorpix> anyone try to run DVD in Ubuntu and success?
[08:09] <djp> scorpix: yes
[08:09] <scorpix> djp: how you run it?
[08:09] <djp> scorpix: although i need to see how it works with my current re-install!!!
[08:09] <scorpix> i only able to run VCD
[08:10] <djp> scorpix: checkout the http://ubuntuguide.org site... it has a great howto for playing multimedia
[08:12] <scorpix> scorpix@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -l | grep libdvd
[08:12] <scorpix> ii  libdvdcss2     1.2.8-0.0      Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime
[08:12] <scorpix> ii  libdvdnav4     0.1.9-3        The DVD navigation library
[08:12] <scorpix> ii  libdvdread3    0.9.4-5        Simple foundation for reading DVDs
[08:12] <scorpix> but still gmplayer can't play them
[08:13] <_miracoolix_> djp: thanx, I#m not that much into video editing and ripping...
[08:14] <antrix> scorpix: can't play at all or can't play very well?
[08:14] <_miracoolix_> what is the state of java and java development tools available for ubunto? anyone doing java development on ubuntu?
[08:14] <scorpix> antrix: for dvds can't play at all
[08:15] <antrix> scorpix: that's strange, i just checked and i've got the same packages for dvdcss
[08:15] <JDahl> scorpix, I didnt play with that for a long time, but I compiled mplayer myself (following the instructions on the mplayer homepage), and I was able to play DVDs and VCDs quite easily
[08:15] <GNAM> ubuntu's packet management software is APT?
[08:15] <scorpix> JDahl: i don't have problem with VCDs, only DVDs :(
[08:15] <JDahl> GNAM, yes... Ubuntu is Debian based
[08:16] <antrix> scorpix: any error messages from command line mplayer?
[08:16] <drasko> hello
[08:17] <bretzel> scorpix: ...and what if using xine/gxine ??
[08:17] <scorpix> how to use verbose mode in mplayer?
[08:17] <scorpix> bretzel: i dont have xine now
[08:18] <bretzel> I had problems playing DVDs with mplayer and co. but since jumped to xine and co, all plays so much well ...8-)
[08:18] <helio7> How do you kill a zombie process?  specifically, firefox just crashed, but I cant' reload it because it says it's still running... I can find it using the "top" command
[08:18] <antrix> just running 'mplayer dvd://1' should give some output
[08:18] <scorpix> is there any free website for paste the output?
[08:19] <helio7> scorpix: pastebin.ca
[08:19] <bretzel> using synaptic to get xine stuff, libs, I 've got al lthat I need for dvd play and more
[08:19] <antrix> helio7: 'ps cax | grep -i firefox'
[08:19] <Polmen> Hey, could someone help me with my network connection in Ubuntu?`I can't get it to stay enabled. I want to connect to the internet in ubuntu through another computer.
[08:19] <scorpix> bretzel: im downloading it now
[08:19] <bretzel> :-)
[08:19] <helio7> antrix:  7551 ?        Zs     6:36 firefox-bin <defunct>
[08:20] <antrix> then 'kill -9 7551' doesn't work ?
[08:20] <djp> scorpix: totem works fine for playback of dvd, just gave it a whirl here...
[08:20] <JDahl> helio7, cant you do "killall firefox"?
[08:21] <bretzel> Ok, I hope that will owrk for you too .. tho :-) shouldn't  be problems... and if dvd play is a bit lagging, do "sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd[x] "
[08:21] <scorpix> djp:  i have totem-xine installed but it wont play it
[08:21] <scorpix> http://pastebin.ca/6910 this is the output for mplayer dvd://1
[08:21] <helio7> antrix: apparently not
[08:22] <bretzel> totem-xine: I dunno why, for me it is tottally scrap - it can't play nothing!!! I mean it does but as if the cpu runs at 1 hz ... I use directly xine, or gxine
[08:22] <antrix> scorpix: i don't see any errors in that log output :)
[08:22] <plex0r> make sure netbios is enabled on the router polmon
[08:23] <plex0r> subnets and ips are right
[08:23] <plex0r> right permissions
[08:23] <djp> scorpix: have you installed libdvdcss2?
[08:23] <scorpix> djp: yes
[08:23] <antrix> totem-xine is pretty fine for me.. though totem-gstreamer was something totally unspeakable ;)
[08:24] <antrix> btw, anyone know why dma isn't set by default for my dvd drive?
[08:24] <scorpix> i use totem-xine only for .rm audio/video
[08:24] <FiNeX> hi
[08:24] <djp> scorpix: what happens when you try to play the DVD?
[08:24] <ernstp> if I want to contribute a patch to ubunut, or a debian dist... how should I do?
[08:25] <ernstp> I've apt-get source pkg, and edited the source
[08:25] <scorpix> djp: when i use gmpalyer it hang for few seconds then dont play it :S
[08:25] <antrix> ernstp: ubuntu has a bugzilla - i guess u could add a patch there
[08:25] <FiNeX> i've found a problem in ubuntu... where can I report it?
[08:25] <antrix> FiNeX: ubuntu has a bugzilla :-)
[08:25] <FiNeX> antrix: wow... thx :-)
[08:26] <sigglet> FiNeX: what problem?
[08:26] <ernstp> antrix, I was thinking about if there's good dpkg tools to do stuff after I've edited code
[08:26] <GNAM> Shall I install warty or hoary pre6?
[08:26] <FiNeX> it's related to the gnome burning cd
[08:26] <scorpix> what the extension that i should use with xine for the DVD?
[08:27] <antrix> ernstp: sorry, can't help u there. not much of a hacker - just a happy user :-)
[08:27] <dhen> where can i download updates for warty?
[08:28] <JDahl> dhen, there are only security updates for warty.. (no FF1.0, et cetera)
[08:28] <antrix> scorpix: 'xine dvd:/1' or something
[08:28] <FiNeX> if you try to burn a cd and you choose "maximum speed", the software doesn't check the maximum speed of the media and it try to write to the max speed of the cdburner. so if the media doesn't support it you have an error
[08:28] <bretzel> I dunno if that link works and is worth it but I 've put a screenshot to prove xine working: https://tuxweb.homelinux.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=30&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 -- please don't mess with the site :-)
[08:28] <scorpix> wow
[08:28] <dhen> JDahl, where can i download it?
[08:28] <scorpix> xine play it for a second then stop :)
[08:29] <JDahl> dhen, it should be setup already in your sources.list file... check archives im synaptic
[08:30] <djp> scorpix: try using totem or better still xine. if you want to use mplayer use the installation guide here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850.
[08:30] <Fr33man> hi, i've got a problem with internet configuration
[08:31] <antrix> FiNeX: Interesting.. I've never thought abt checking for speed that the media can support.
[08:31] <antrix> Finex: is it even possible? Do other burning software chk for that?
[08:31] <Fr33man> is there any tutorial for getting internet started
[08:31] <djp> is there anybody here who knows whether spamd needs to be enabled to use spamassassin with evolution?
[08:31] <FiNeX> antrix: yes
[08:31] <FiNeX> antrix: k3b do that
[08:32] <Fr33man> can somebody help me? me is noob, please query
[08:32] <scorpix> djp:  i'll install ogle if it doesnt work i'll do the HOWTO, th.x
[08:32] <neighborlee> isnt universe a direct mirror of debian unstable?>.just wondering because scummVM version if one behind in apt yet on debians site its up to current ?..if not whom does one contact to get latest release of a given app in ?
[08:32] <FiNeX> antrix: and it's based on the cdrtools package as gnomeburning frontend... I think
[08:32] <antrix> neighborlee: ubuntu's universe is periodically synced with debian's
[08:33] <neighborlee> ah ok
[08:33] <FiNeX> now I'm looking for the bugzilla on the ubuntu website...
[08:33] <antrix> FiNeX: sounds like a valid bugzilla report to me
[08:34] <FiNeX> antrix: sorry... what do you mean (I don't know english very well -_- )
[08:34] <antrix> Fr33man: what kind of internet connection do u want to configure?
[08:35] <antrix> FiNeX: I meant you should definitely file a report in bugzilla :-)
[08:35] <Myrtti> I just have to love this. I think OpenOffice is great. It doesn't do anything I don't want it to do, and does exactly what I want it to. Unlike Word.
[08:35] <Myrtti> Oh why haven't I switched to Linux earlier
[08:35] <Myrtti> oh why?!?!
[08:35] <cwillu> so, any ideas why ubuntu would lock up in the initial install screens?
[08:36] <FiNeX> yes... I'm creating an account :)
[08:36] <Fr33man> antrix: pppoe via ethernet but dunno how does it work
[08:36] <bretzel> Myrtti::-P
[08:36] <antrix> OOo: Has anyone tried OOo2 ? I've seen some packages seeded in Hoary - haven't tried yet
[08:36] <FiNeX> antrix: ... I want to try... maybe later I'll download it :)
[08:37] <antrix> Fr33man: unfortunately ubuntu doesn't have a gui config for pppoe
[08:37] <bretzel> antrix: I do, and seems to work well, but I've not tested that much to say it is totally working
[08:37] <Myrtti> it's breathtaking experience to realize something like this. The last time I've been stunned like this was when I heard about ... no wait, this is a channel full of men... :->
[08:37] <cwillu> anyone able to give me a hand getting the installer working?
[08:38] <Fr33man> antrix: hum.. what to do now? so i can't use internet?
[08:38] <antrix> Fr33man: there's a console tool in debian to do it. can't recall name
[08:39] <antrix> Fr33man: pppoeconf
[08:40] <antrix> bretzel: the only thing i care abt in OOo2 is user interface since features wise i don't need much. does it look any better or is it still boring? :-)
[08:40] <cwillu> neat... maybe it was just the printed cd that was junk...
[08:40] <bretzel> Fr33man: me too I can't tell why your pppoe isn't working because I installed Warty on a friend's computer and he has to use pppoe, but Warty installation setup all and I had nothing to setup: excepted the ppp auth...
[08:41] <cwillu> hmm
[08:41] <cwillu> or not\
[08:42] <bretzel> antrix: oOo2 It is not really dff. than 1.1.x, seems fast... it is all I can say because I didn't play that much with it since I have it ... sorry
[08:42] <antrix> Fr33man: did u try running 'sudo pppoeconf' from a console?
[08:42] <Fr33man> no
[08:42] <Fr33man> but thanks i will try
[08:43] <antrix> cwillu: what's going wrong?
[08:43] <cwillu> might have found the problem...
[08:43] <neighborlee> should I be exporting varibles ( for example: export DELTA_INC="$DELTA_ROOT/inc;$DELTA_ROOT/ext/inc" ) somewhere other than /etc/profile ???
[08:43] <cwillu> I got in 10 cds last week
[08:43] <cwillu> just trying to move my laptop over to it (I've been testing on my desktop, and am convinced)
[08:43] <cwillu> but the install keeps dieing moments in
[08:44] <cwillu> however, it looks like most of my cd's have hairline cracks in them :(
[08:44] <cwillu> just found a second one (I gave away the one that I installed from originally on my desktop)
[08:44] <cwillu> without a crack
[08:45] <cwillu> seems to be working now :)
[08:45] <antrix> cwillu: if ur laptop is not a work machine - maybe u should get a hoary cd and install. good fun to play with :)
[08:46] <cwillu> it is... although I have no issues with playing around with it
[08:46] <cwillu> I think I've already upgraded my test machine to hoary via apt-get
[08:46] <apokryphos> you think?
[08:47] <cwillu> I think
[08:47] <cwillu> I might have just done a evil cross of the two, plus other random stuff
[08:47] <antrix> a bunch of thinkers here :-)
[08:47] <cwillu> you have no idea :p
[08:48] <knucks> so realplayer works on my linux..but i cant get ti work within firefox
[08:49] <cwillu> I'm not supposed to have three menus across the bottom, am I?
[08:49] <cwillu> (desktop)
[08:49] <antrix> cwillu: don't understand. 3 menus?
[08:49] <sproingie> looking at installing ubuntu for first time, had some questions...
[08:49] <cwillu> applications, places and system
[08:50] <cwillu> i.e., the results of my hybrid upgrade
[08:50] <apokryphos> sproingie: Fire away
[08:50] <antrix> cwillu: that's hoary then
[08:50] <cwillu> okay, this is good
[08:50] <antrix> cwillu: although they are on top for me
[08:50] <FiNeX> i've another question related to the "hibernation" of the system. Have I to modify the bootloader for resuming the system *after* the hibernation ?
[08:50] <cwillu> I had a beatrix install that did that;  actually this explains a lot
[08:50] <cwillu> heh
[08:50] <sproingie> how much does ubuntu track debian?  is it like a knoppix thing, or can one update core debs?
[08:50] <cwillu> I don't like top menus;  I forgot I changed it
[08:50] <sproingie> i got burned with knoppix :(
[08:50] <apokryphos> cwillu: you can always find out your distro by various different commands/files... cat /etc/issue is probably the easiest.
[08:52] <antrix> FiNeX: for hibernation, boot loader doesn't have to be modified. Just edit grub to get the resume=/dev/hdax part in
[08:52] <cwillu> okay... everything still worked so I wasn't worried (with good reason apparently), but still good to know
[08:52] <knucks> how would i go about deleting an ntfs partition and making it a linux one?
[08:52] <ernstp> knucks, apt-get install gparted
[08:52] <cwillu> you don't want to dual boot?
[08:52] <knucks> no
[08:52] <knucks> im on solely linux
[08:52] <knucks> but my old ntfs partiton has all the mp3s
[08:52] <knucks> so im transfering them over right now
[08:52] <cwillu> lol
[08:52] <cwillu> that was my morning :)
[08:52] <FiNeX> antrix: thanks :)
[08:53] <knucks> and then i want to change the ntfs one into linux and throw the mp3s back on it
[08:53] <sproingie> i guess core debs will always have different deps, but looks there's a maintenance path.  that's where knoppix burned me
[08:53] <sproingie> guess i shouldnt worry about it
[08:53] <antrix> FiNex: no probs. hopefully hibernate works for you. my thinkpad just dies on hibernate
[08:53] <Levander> anybody know how i change my fqdn, as returned by 'hostname -fqdn'?
[08:53] <sproingie> anyone know if the installer will work with a nforce 3 mobo (i.e. the network) on amd64?
[08:54] <Felesh> hi
[08:54] <cwillu> is this a common issue, with the cracked cd's through the mail?
[08:54] <antrix> cwillu: mine turned out ok
[08:54] <sproingie> alioth debian amd64 installer detects the nforce ethernet, but no packets go through it
[08:54] <knucks> yay for the next 4000files
[08:54] <cwillu> I ordered 10, 7 of them turned out to be cracked (got lucky on my first install)
[08:54] <Felesh> ubuntu hoary is usable? i mean... hoary is unstable like SID or like EXPERIMENTAL ?
[08:54] <sproingie> hoping i dont get the same prob w/ ubuntu :-/
[08:55] <antrix> sproingie: i kind of remember reading that nforce needs binary ethernet drivers from nvidia
[08:55] <GNAM> same question of Felesh
[08:55] <sproingie> antrix: that presents a sort of chicken and egg problem, no?
[08:55] <FiNeX> antrix: if the system wasn't hibernated, the "resume=/dev/hdaX" is ok?
[08:55] <bretzel> antrix: ...and how to get hibernation to be an option in GDM/Gnome ?
[08:56] <andrewski> can anyone tell me (or point me to docs that will tell me) how to set up trusted repositories so synaptic won't always complain about authentication?
[08:56] <cwillu> installed the authentication module did we?  :p
[08:56] <antrix> FinEx: hdaX should be your swap partition
[08:57] <antrix> FiNeX: and u can leave that in ur kernel boot params in grub's config file. if system didn't hibernate - then it'll boot up normally, otherwise resume
[08:57] <FiNeX> antrix: ok... thanks... :)
[08:57] <antrix> bretzel: chk /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:57] <bretzel> antrix: okay ...
[08:58] <antrix> FiNeX, bretzel: http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/HoaryPM
[08:58] <andrewski> cwillu: is that something i can uninstall?
[08:58] <cwillu> I think so... can't remember the package off hand, and I didn't think it was installed by default
[08:58] <andrewski> cwillu: well, i may have inadvertantly installed it.
[08:58] <cwillu> I installed it by accident on another installation and was cursing myself :)
[08:58] <FiNeX> antrix: good :)
[08:59] <Fr33man> hi antrix! just want to say thanks. it works fine. now i'm running under ubuntu first time :)
[08:59] <antrix> Fr33man: cool :-)
[09:00] <antrix> andrewski: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[09:00] <LordC> How do you install a .deb file that you've downloaded? :/
[09:00] <LordC> Im new to Ubuntu :)
[09:00] <antrix> cwillu: authentication hasn't given me any problems. are u sure you are on pure hoary system? no residues from warty! :)
[09:00] <sls> ll
[09:00] <cwillu>  GnuPG
[09:00] <Felesh> ubuntu hoary is usable? i mean... hoary is unstable like SID or like EXPERIMENTAL ?
[09:00] <cwillu> maybe
[09:01] <cwillu> I did it under a different distro
[09:01] <sls> anyone a tftp boot guru?
[09:01] <antrix> sls: not me!
[09:01] <marcin_ant> hi people
[09:01] <marcin_ant> I got a problem with samba and printing
[09:01] <antrix> Felesh: it is usable. but there are lots of new packages updated everyday
[09:02] <antrix> Felesh: if it is a work machine - don't run hoary
[09:02] <marcin_ant> does someone know how should I set samba to enable anonymous printing from xp clients?
[09:02] <Felesh> it is a home machine
[09:02] <cwillu> ignore that gnupg remark before...
[09:02] <andrewski> antrix: thanks.
[09:02] <andrewski> cwillu: quoting that link: "it's now transparent to authenticate..." so i don't think there's a package.
[09:03] <wezzer> please somebody answer, is it good idea to upgrade ati-drivers via synaptic?
[09:03] <wezzer> will it destroy my config
[09:04] <wezzer> do I have to rerun dpkg --reconfigure-x-server
[09:04] <wezzer> any other tips?
[09:04] <antrix> LordC: 'sudo dpkg -i mypackage.deb'
[09:05] <spacey> you can always backup your config files wezzer
[09:05] <bretzel> antrix: thank you for the link --- Funny: I realize that chances are that I have NO swap partitions!!!!! houahahahah! I was too in a hury when I installed array-5!!
[09:05] <wezzer> spacey: yes, that's true
[09:05] <wezzer> thanks for the tip :^)
[09:06] <cwillu> okay... everything's running, or at least installing :p
[09:06] <antrix> wezzer: there are some tips in the /etc/x11/xorg.conf file too
[09:06] <rattboi> man
[09:06] <cwillu> next up:  fun with citrix and wine
[09:06] <rattboi> I'm really having troubles with the fglrx drivers :(
[09:06] <jkd> Hello, if I get the latest Ubuntu ARray , can I UPGRADE to the latest next version without reinstalling?
[09:06] <wezzer> ok
[09:07] <rattboi> jkd, yeah
[09:07] <wezzer> I'll look around
[09:07] <antrix> bretzel: linux without swap partition? I thought only hardcore geeks can get the kernel to run without swap !
[09:07] <rattboi> fglrx is loaded, but everything is drawn slowly
[09:08] <cwillu> if you have enough memory (i.e more than a few megs I think) it could work fine.... kinda sorta
[09:08] <jkd> rattboi: with dist-upgrade?
[09:09] <cwillu> done it by accident myself :)
[09:09] <antrix> cwillu: u have to modify swappiness right?
[09:09] <jkd> rattboi: so have you tried from array 1 to array 2 , etc?
[09:10] <molson> Network card not supported during pre-installation.  Is it possible that this module will load after Ubuntu is fully installed?
[09:11] <antrix> jkd: once u install from array, u r on hoary. then u'll get updated packages every day.
[09:11] <cwillu> never did anything except forget to set a swap partition... it wasn't ubuntu though, it was beatrix
[09:11] <jkd> thanks
[09:11] <jkd> antrix: very nice of you
[09:11] <antrix> jkd, no probs
[09:12] <jkd> so why no grub splash on ubuntu =\
[09:13] <antrix> jkd: ubuntu is the most ancient looking distro while installing/booting but the most modern when running :-)
[09:13] <antrix> jkd: of course - kubuntu will be more modern looking than ubuntu ;-)
[09:13] <jkd> lol
[09:13] <larsson_> I edited my fstab s that my windows-partition was mounted. It is mounted all right, but only root have access to it. What option in fstab mounts it so that everyone can view the content? Absolutely NOT write.
[09:14] <Tomcat_> You can get good themes that make it good looking in Gnome also :)
[09:14] <LinuxJones> larsson_, www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:14] <LinuxJones> Tomcat_, I like blue-curve the redhat/fedora default
[09:15] <antrix> larsson_: read only for everyone including root?
[09:15] <Tomcat_> I got... no idea, it looks OSX-ish :)
[09:15] <larsson_> the "ro" option is there.
[09:15] <LinuxJones> Tomcat_, let me find you a screenshot
[09:15] <larsson_> ubuntuguide says nothing about my problem actually.
[09:16] <LinuxJones> Tomcat_, >> http://www.jfedor.org/shots/gnome2.png
[09:16] <antrix> /dev/hda1       /media/c        ntfs    ro,user,gid=100,umask=022      0       0
[09:16] <antrix> oops
[09:16] <Tomcat_> LinuxJones: http://content.no-ip.org/Stuff/Screenshot.png (slow)
[09:16] <antrix> larsson: '/dev/hda1       /media/c        ntfs    ro,user,gid=100,umask=022      0       0'
[09:16] <larsson_> I'll try it.
[09:16] <Tomcat_> Nice. :o
[09:17] <sisq0> hello, I'm a newbie user of ubuntu distribution, and I'm trying to add a new repositor server in Synaptic Package Manager, but i can't . Could anybody help me?
[09:17] <LinuxJones> Tomcat_, that server hosted on a 14.4 modem or what :D
[09:17] <apokryphos> Tomcat_: for future reference, if you want to know, it's *very* easy to convert image filetypes with ImageMagick. One command.
[09:17] <antrix> larsson: 100 is the 'users' group to which I've added the default user and others
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Linux: No, 128 kbit upstream used for a CD image upload to a friend + BitTorrent :)
[09:18] <sisq0> hello?
[09:18] <Tomcat_> apokryphos: I'll have a look.
[09:18] <Tomcat_> apokryphos: I don't have imagemagick installed it seems. :)
[09:18] <apokryphos> Tomcat_: you can install it from the repositories. Then, a simple command like, "convert -quality 75 picture.png picture.jpg" and it'll be very small.
[09:19] <Nekohayo> I'm on hoary trying to update the package "ubuntu-artwork" but I can't... has anyone experienced this?
[09:19] <apokryphos> Tomcat_: not quite sure if it comes by default on Ubuntu. I guess you could try to see if you've got the convert command
[09:19] <Tomcat_> apokryphos: Yeah, I know it... but when I want to get out a pic in a few seconds, I don't install additional software. It's not like I do screenshots every day. :)
[09:19] <sisq0> could anybody give me an ftp repositor to upgrade my ubuntu?
[09:19] <Tomcat_> apokryphos: libmagick comes by default, imagemagick is available.
[09:20] <apokryphos> Tomcat_: Well, sure. You obviously don't have to keep installing. And yes, it would perhaps not be worth it if you were only ever using one image; hence the "for future reference".
[09:20] <antrix> sisq0: everything should be configured by default. just run 'synaptic package manager' and choose 'mark all upgrade'
[09:20] <Tomcat_> apokryphos: Yeah. Thanks. :] 
[09:22] <sisq0> thanks antrix
[09:22] <StoffBox-Steve> sisq0, apt-get update && dist-upgrade
[09:22] <sisq0> I prefer to do it via Synaptic,I'm a newbie
[09:25] <antrix> sisq0 asked the third upgrade related question since I joined this channel today. It's good that Hoary has an update manaer running by default in the systray
[09:25] <crazy> hrrr
[09:26] <StoffBox-Steve> oh when you only what a update .. the apt-get is the fastest and best ways :D Synaptiv is fine to look for new tools :D
[09:28] <eleazar_> hi, can anyone tell me whats the command for reconfigure the X?
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg when you use xorg
[09:28] <StoffBox-Steve> else xserver-xfree86
[09:30] <knucks> how do i get everything in a certain folder (and subfolders and files) to be chmod 777?
[09:30] <henla464> does anyone know how to decrease the size of the sound buffer?
[09:30] <wezzer> chmod -r 777 foo/
[09:30] <apokryphos> knucks: always check the man page first ;-)
[09:31] <henla464>  I get choppy sound in Skype and they suggested to change the size of the buffer on Skype forum. But they didnt know how to change this in Gnome.
[09:31] <knucks> chmod -r 777 doesnt work?
[09:31] <apokryphos> knucks: check the man page. -R, I think.
[09:32] <klaym> I'm trying to unrar a .rar file via Nautilus (x-rar), but I get this: /bin/sh: line 1: unrar: command not found. anyone know what's wrong?
[09:32] <bob_> migrating from windows to ubuntu, what files do I have to copy for mozilla-thunderbird?
[09:32] <apokryphos> bob_: why copy any files? Bookmarks, do you mean?
[09:33] <knucks> so no one knows off hand how to do it?
[09:33] <apokryphos> knucks: Geez. I take it you're not reading at all.
[09:33] <bob_> apokryphos, mail files
[09:34] <knucks> if i knew where the man pages were, id read
[09:34] <knucks> im entirely new to this
[09:34] <knucks> been on it for 10hrs at the most
[09:34] <apokryphos> knucks: man <command>
[09:34] <apokryphos> bob_: heh. For some reason I thought you said firefox, sorry. Don't know how to do that; sorry.
[09:35] <Tomcat_> klaym: You're quite obviously missing the unrar program...
[09:35] <antrix> i am out. good night folks!
[09:35] <apokryphos> knucks: man[ual]  pages are *very* useful. They will tell you the usage of a command and the possible options for it etc.
[09:35] <aurax> anyone here uses intel mobo D915GAV ? on linux?
[09:36] <knucks> ok -R is recursive
[09:36] <apokryphos> There you go. Just as I presumed. :P
[09:36] <knucks> so what do i type in if i want to change Music and im currently in /home/knucks and music is in /home/knucks/Music
[09:36] <apokryphos> cd Music
[09:37] <knucks> k..
[09:37] <klaym> Tomcat_: Thanks, I actually read from the forums that I should get unrar-nonfree
[09:37] <apokryphos> knucks: a pretty good guide to get you started: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[09:38] <apokryphos> knucks: don't be overwhelmed by all the stuf. Most of it is just used as a reference, and many won't be applicable to you. Just the first few chapters will come in handy.
[09:38] <knucks> im reading the chmod one right now then
[09:38] <GammaRay> I notice that I don't have a /boot/grub/grub.conf file
[09:39] <apokryphos> knucks: it's worth reading man man for more info, when you have time. To exit it, hit q.
[09:40] <knucks> k
[09:40] <delltony> dang i found a place to change the mouse cursors on the forums before and i changed it to like ptux or something like that wish i could find that page again so i can could my cursors
[09:40] <knucks> ok so i must use the letters for read,write,mod stuff..
[09:40] <BiteMeBill> GammaRay: You can edit the menu.lst
[09:41] <apokryphos> knucks: not sure what you're referring to/mean here.
[09:41] <knucks> knucks@knucks:~/Music $ chmod -R 0777
[09:41] <knucks> chmod: too few arguments
[09:41] <henla464> Is someone here using Skype on Ubuntu? Is sound good?
[09:41] <apokryphos> knucks: That means your usage of it isn't complete or is incorrect.
[09:41] <knucks> yeah i figured
[09:42] <knucks> the example they have is "myfile"
[09:42] <knucks> but i want to edit the whole directory
[09:42] <tck> heres a quick question
[09:42] <apokryphos> knucks: check the usage on the man page... chmod [OPTION] ... MODE[,MODE] ... FILE...
[09:42] <tck> i haven't created a root user etc.., i.e. password etc.
[09:42] <tck> i have installed firestarter
[09:42] <apokryphos> knucks: since your'e already in the directory, you can just use "." as that represents the current directory that you are in.
[09:42] <tck> and to run it from the X drop down list, it demands the 'root' password
[09:42] <knucks> ah ok
[09:42] <tck> anyway around this
[09:42] <knucks> i think i got it tho..
[09:43] <knucks> chmod -R 0777 Music
[09:43] <apokryphos> knucks: so... chmod -R 777 .
[09:43] <GammaRay> BiteMeBill: I'm pretty new to grub. I'm reading the docs and I'm wondering what relationship the two files have. Especially if one does not exist.
[09:43] <knucks> thanks for the help man. ill make sure to use man pages
[09:43] <apokryphos> knucks: they come in handy :P. No problem.
[09:44] <knucks> what program do i get if i want to make partitions and stuff?
[09:44] <delltony> aww i found it nevermind
[09:44] <knucks> gpart something?
[09:44] <matteo_> Hi I'm installing Warty and the xserver-xfree86 it fetched after the reboot seems de hang... I can do Ctrl+C to get control, but it leavec the package unconfigured...
[09:44] <tck> knucks, fdisk
[09:44] <knucks> someone told me gparter or something
[09:44] <matteo_> has anyone had the same problem, or is it just that this configuration is *very* long ?
[09:44] <knucks> i want to take my ntfs partition, delete it, and make it a linux one
[09:45] <apokryphos> knucks: there's several partition managers. qparted is one, I think. Never used it. qtparted is another.
[09:45] <zenrox> gparted
[09:45] <knucks> whats a really good one i should get?
[09:45] <zenrox> is the gnome eq..
[09:45] <zenrox> qtparted for kde
[09:45] <apokryphos> knucks: whoops, yup, first part should have been gparted, as zenrox notes.
[09:45] <knucks> ill apt-get gparted then
[09:45] <zenrox> yep
[09:46] <tck> its not in the apt sources
[09:46] <apokryphos> zenrox: well, for qt :P. It's not technically kde.
[09:46] <zenrox> apt-get install gparted
[09:46] <zenrox> apokryphos, but thats what it was programed from
[09:46] <mrproper> Is there a way to do a network install of Ubuntu from a floppy?
[09:46] <apokryphos> zenrox: from kde? Erm, nope... just qt as far as I know.
[09:46] <zenrox> mrproper,  yes look on the wiki
[09:47] <zenrox> apokryphos, but kde is programed in qt
[09:47] <apokryphos> zenrox: it sure is. Doesn't mean that all qt programs are kde.
[09:47] <knucks> E: Couldn't find package gparted
[09:48] <zenrox> knucks,  have you enabled all the respotires
[09:48] <apokryphos> zenrox: that would be like saying that, well, oranges are apples because they're both fruits. :P
[09:48] <knucks> zenrox: yeah
[09:48] <zenrox> knucks, warty or hoary
[09:48] <jeff_> is there a trojan scanner or something for ubuntu
[09:48] <zenrox> ??
[09:48] <knucks> zenrox: i dont know..
[09:48] <knucks> thats not the first time someones asked me
[09:48] <zenrox> jeff_,  no why run one you dont need it
[09:48] <apokryphos> knucks: what does cat /etc/issue give?
[09:49] <BiteMeBill> I'
[09:49] <knucks> ahh
[09:49] <knucks> Warty
[09:49] <BiteMeBill> m not even finding it either.
[09:49] <Loiosh> There is a rootkit scanner, but I don't believe it's been prepared for Ubuntu
[09:49] <zenrox> warty = stable the one on cd hoary = develment and its unstable
[09:49] <knucks> yeh i got it off the cd
[09:49] <jeff_> because i think i may have downloaded a rootkit
[09:49] <knucks> its warty
[09:50] <jeff_> i downloaed limewire pro from a newsgroup
[09:50] <zenrox> knucks,  you'll probly have to get qtparted
[09:50] <zenrox> gparted is in hoary
[09:50] <knucks> ok
[09:50] <Loiosh> I've got a funky question. Is there a way to disable the SCSI probe when the new array-6 live CD boots? It keeps dying when it touches my IOMEGA scsi card (advansys)
[09:50] <Loiosh> And noscsi / scsi=no doesn't work. It still probes while loading the kernel (sad)
[09:52] <knucks> got qtparted
[09:52] <knucks> thanks
[09:52] <punkrockguy318> When I play an audio CD in my CD drive, i get really choppy playback.  Also, I'm only getting ~.5x ripping speed.  What could be the problem?
[09:52] <zenrox> knucks,  n/p
[09:57] <andrewski> punkrockguy318: hdparm
[09:58] <punkrockguy318> andrewski, what do I do with hdparm?
[09:58] <andrewski> punkrockguy318: read the manpage, apply settings at whim (or suitable for your hardware)
[09:59] <andrewski> punkrockguy318: i really don't know its ins and outs...
[09:59] <punkrockguy318> okay
[09:59] <punkrockguy318> i'll give it a try
[09:59] <punkrockguy318> are you confident that it will help?
[09:59] <bannana_feller> does anyone else have problems with getting dcgui-qt to work correctly?
[10:02] <fusibou> I tried array 6 LiveCD for kicks on my Thinkpad T23 (I'm a debian user). Very nice. Couldn't see any gui way to access my hard drive partitions though. Also suspend didn't work. Just some quick feedback.
[10:02] <Quest-Master> fusibou: There is gparted or QtParted
[10:02] <Loiosh> You mean access them for reading?
[10:02] <fusibou> Quest-Master i just mean to mount them
[10:02] <zenrox> Loiosh,  no
[10:02] <fusibou> the cdrom showed up on the desktop
[10:03] <zenrox> Loiosh,  jsut to repartion it
[10:03] <Quest-Master> fusibou: It is really easy to mount partitions through the command-line. :\
[10:03] <fusibou> Quest-Master as a debian user i know that :-)
[10:04] <Loiosh> LoL
[10:04] <Loiosh> Just pointing out a lack in the installer
[10:04] <Quest-Master> fusibou: I don't understand why a GUI frontend is needed then if you know how to
[10:04] <MyKq3> hi !! we have a  Israeli Ubuntu site !
[10:04] <Loiosh> The Warty LIVE cd would mount the HD partition, if I remember correctly (I may be lying)
[10:05] <Loiosh> Right now I'm trying to dead with array 6 hating my computer =)
[10:05] <Loiosh> It completely crashes when the kernel is starting.
[10:05] <fusibou> Quest-Master hey, jdub keeps barking about "just works" which i thought was supposed to be the ubuntu mantra.
[10:05] <Loiosh> deal
[10:05] <Loiosh> dead = deal, rather
[10:08] <davix> in americas army the mouse wont move the screen in the game play, in the menu it is responding well as well as the buttons in the gameplay, they all work good, but the mouse won't do the directional job it suppose to do, any ideas?
[10:08] <jeff_> well where is a link for a root kit scanner
[10:08] <jeff_> ?
[10:09] <_miracoolix_> hi
[10:09] <davix> what is a root kit scanner?
[10:10] <jeff_> i want to scan my computer to see if its been hacked
[10:10] <davix> oh, i want too :/
[10:11] <knucks> so does mplayer have a "controller"
[10:12] <Quest-Master> Controller?
[10:12] <knucks> like
[10:12] <knucks> one where i can press play, stop, pause
[10:13] <knucks> and change the position of a video
[10:13] <jeff_> you need to download gmplayer
[10:13] <Quest-Master> Err, yeah
[10:13] <Quest-Master> gmplayer
[10:13] <punkrockguy318> where is there a deb for gmplayer?
[10:13] <knucks> is that whatd ud recommend?
[10:13] <Quest-Master> There is an automatic compilation and installation script at http://www.ubuntuforums.org under HOWTOS and FAQS
[10:13] <knucks> i want to have something simple to play video files
[10:13] <knucks> and then ill use xine for dvds
[10:13] <Madeye> Hi, guys, is there any program to make a phone calls, and recieve phone calls through computer connected to my modem?
[10:14] <Quest-Master> punkrockguy318, knucks: I wouldn't apt-get for MPlayer.. the one in the repos. is broken, so compile
[10:14] <knucks> i like mplayer actually..but how do i get it to show the GUI?
[10:14] <davix> you cant apt-get mplayer...
[10:15] <davix> unless ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[10:15] <knucks> I already have mplayer
[10:15] <knucks> davix yeh thats the one i got i think
[10:15] <wezzer> knucks: have you compiled it by yourself?
[10:15] <knucks> but how do i open the GUI
[10:15] <Quest-Master> gmplayer
[10:15] <davix> knucks, try console gmplayer
[10:15] <knucks> Im watching a video on it right now
[10:15] <Quest-Master> You have to install a skin though too, knucks
[10:15] <Quest-Master> Did you do that?
[10:15] <knucks> um no
[10:16] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[10:16] <knucks> im just looking at a plain window w/ video in it
[10:16] <Quest-Master> Go to UbuntuForums
[10:16] <Quest-Master> knucks: Well then.
[10:16] <Quest-Master> knucks: Open a console and type in sudo apt-get install gxine.
[10:16] <Quest-Master> It's good, easy to install, simple to use.
[10:16] <Quest-Master> Or, you can apt for VLC.
[10:16] <apokryphos> Quest-Master: what? You don't have to set a skin. It uses the default.
[10:16] <knucks> its different than xine?
[10:17] <apokryphos> knucks: it is. I imagine it's some extra gnome interface front-end for mplayer. Might be a different program entirely, but I doubt it.
[10:17] <apokryphos> knucks: if plain "mplayer" doesn't turn up the GUI, then gmplayer should as davix says.
[10:18] <knucks> unless theres something i gotta press to open a GUI?
[10:18] <knucks> like some key or something
[10:18] <OrangeSlice> compile mplayer with --enable-gui :p
[10:19] <apokryphos> knucks: Alt + F2 > gmplayer
[10:19] <knucks> OrangeSlice: dont know how to do that
[10:19] <apokryphos> compiling, why? It works fine from the repos.
[10:19] <OrangeSlice> compiling your own > binaries :p
[10:19] <knucks> apokryphos: nothing happens
[10:20] <apokryphos> Heh. I'm getting confused here. Cancel my earlier comments on "gnome" etc.
[10:20] <Loiosh> Hewwo, Echylo =)
[10:20] <alisson> Hello all! Please, I am needing a little newbie help! How can I change the PATH to point to a java bin directory too?
[10:20] <Echylo> hellow
[10:20] <knucks> ok i got gxine
[10:20] <apokryphos> knucks: one sec, I'm looking for a thread for you. You'll need to install a specific mlayer
[10:20] <knucks> i guess that will have to do
[10:20] <Echylo> can I say that limewire kinda rocks
[10:21] <Quest-Master> Echylo: Why not? :P
[10:21] <apokryphos> Echylo: it sure does :P
[10:21] <Echylo> because everyone is like "emule for president!"
[10:21] <Echylo> but I never got that quick so fast speeds
[10:21] <knucks> qtparted doesnt want to work for me
[10:22] <apokryphos> Echylo: yup, gnutella network has always been the best for me.
[10:22] <Quest-Master> QtParted is pretty buggy.. I don't like it much.
[10:22] <Echylo> lovelyt
[10:22] <Echylo> that & torrent
[10:22] <Echylo> rule
[10:22] <knucks> whats a good program for partitions then?
[10:22] <Echylo> for the moment
[10:22] <Echylo> gparted?
[10:22] <knucks> im on warty
[10:22] <apokryphos> Echylo: yup; and irc
[10:23] <Quest-Master> parted is nice fot the command line, or gparted which I believe has to be compiled.. search for it on Google, knucks
[10:23] <Quest-Master> *for
[10:23] <cocol> no gparted u can apt
[10:23] <Echylo> irc is for new stuff
[10:23] <Echylo> and sometimes risk for errors
[10:24] <Echylo> if it gets disconnected
[10:24] <apokryphos> cocol: even in warty?
[10:24] <Quest-Master> cocol: I stand corrected then.
[10:24] <afv-13> can someone please tell me what software is included on the livecd?
[10:24] <afv-13> (the windows stuff)
[10:24] <apokryphos> Echylo: irc is for speeedy downloads
[10:24] <cocol> i dunno...i am in hoary
[10:24] <Echylo> torrent too ;)
[10:24] <Quest-Master> While I was upgrading to Hoary
[10:24] <Quest-Master> I got this error
[10:24] <Quest-Master> Preparing to replace mozilla-firefox 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 (using .../mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[10:24] <Quest-Master> rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref': Is a directory
[10:24] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[10:24] <Quest-Master>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:24] <Quest-Master> Is that bad? :\
[10:24] <knucks> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843
[10:24] <apokryphos> Echylo: Sure. Never quite reached the consistent speeds with torrents though.
[10:24] <knucks> which one should i get?
[10:25] <Echylo> I did ;)
[10:25] <Echylo> I reached my max speed here
[10:25] <Echylo> 400 kb/s
[10:25] <Echylo> on torrents
[10:25] <apokryphos> Echylo: consistently?
[10:25] <Echylo> ?
[10:25] <Echylo> yes
[10:25] <Echylo> from 3 seconds
[10:25] <Echylo> to the eend
[10:25] <apokryphos> torrents seem to fluctuate, but more so seem to take quite some time to get up to that speed.
[10:25] <knucks> i got this one: libparted1.6-12_1.6.20-0.exp.1_i386.deb
[10:25] <knucks> what do i do with it now
[10:26] <Echylo> no
[10:26] <Echylo> well
[10:26] <Echylo> I down top 10 seeded torrents
[10:26] <apokryphos> Echylo: for all your downloads? Just what tracker are you using?
[10:26] <Echylo> from www.filemp3.org
[10:26] <apokryphos> Echylo: oh. I've been talking about films here :P
[10:26] <Echylo> ow :)
[10:26] <Echylo> well I only download music
[10:26] <Echylo> I hire movies
[10:26] <apokryphos> hassle ;-)
[10:26] <apokryphos> irc you can download films in 25 mins
[10:26] <knucks> hellpp
[10:26] <apokryphos> (well, I can. People with faster speeds -> less time)
[10:27] <knucks> what do i do with this
[10:27] <knucks> ibparted1.6-12_1.6.20-0.exp.1_i386.deb
[10:27] <knucks> er
[10:27] <Quest-Master> I have a Linksys router and VoIP Vonage Motorola modem, so my torrent speeds aren't as close as they could be (I am on 3mbps broadband too.. what a shame) :(
[10:27] <knucks> libparted1.6-12_1.6.20-0.exp.1_i386.deb
[10:27] <alisson> Hi all! Please, I am needing a little newbie help! How can I change the PATH to point to a java bin directory too?
[10:27] <Quest-Master> alisson: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ <-- check out the setting up Java section
[10:28] <mchasard> hi
[10:28] <vincent_> hi
[10:28] <alisson> Quest-Master, ok, heheheheh!! a Quest-Master!!
[10:28] <Quest-Master> :P
[10:28] <mchasard> i just want to test kubuntu ... but it doesnt work for me as livecd ...
[10:28] <Loiosh> Any idea on my advansys live CD issue?
[10:29] <Loiosh> The Array-6 CD just dies after uncompressing the kernel
[10:29] <apokryphos> mchasard: mention your problem in #kubuntu; to let them know.
[10:29] <mchasard> yes its right ...
[10:29] <knucks> Anyone?
[10:29] <alisson> Quest-Master, sorry for incovenience.....i didn't know that ubuntu site have FAQs..
[10:29] <knucks> I found gparted releases
[10:29] <knucks> but i dont know what to do with them
[10:29] <knucks> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843
[10:29] <mchasard> ok ...i will mention ... ok thanks ...
[10:29] <vincent_> how do you configure the GRUB?
[10:29] <Quest-Master> alisson: No problem. I hope it helps you. :)
[10:31] <WillCooke> anyone know about ndiswrapper?
[10:31] <alisson> Quest-Master, it will! ;)
[10:31] <knucks> ANYONE?
[10:31] <Quest-Master> WillCooke: What do you need?
[10:31] <VincentMX> knucks wha ts the problem=
[10:31] <knucks> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843
[10:31] <knucks> gparted releases
[10:31] <knucks> which one do i download and what do i do with it
[10:32] <WillCooke> Quest-Master, I've just installed Warty on the mrs' computer, but it's got a linksys wireless nic in it, which requires ndiswrapper.....
[10:32] <Quest-Master> WillCooke: Is there any other way to conenct to the internet from that computer?
[10:32] <WillCooke> Quest-Master, Nope!
[10:32] <VincentMX> knucks you have pentium?
[10:32] <WillCooke> Quest-Master, Does the kernel source come on the warty install cd?
[10:32] <knucks> yes
[10:32] <Quest-Master> WillCooke: Dunno
[10:33] <VincentMX> the .deb file
[10:33] <VincentMX> if it don't work, try the source
[10:33] <knucks> latest one?
[10:33] <Quest-Master> WillCooke: To sum it up though, you basically need to compile ndiswrapper, get the .inf file for her Linksys Wireless from the install CD, load it through ndis, and it should work
[10:33] <VincentMX> yes
[10:33] <knucks> ok then what?
[10:33] <apokryphos> knucks: you'll want to use the dpkg command once you've got it
[10:33] <knucks> i downloaded a .deb file
[10:33] <knucks> ok.
[10:34] <knucks> hold
[10:34] <VincentMX> if it does not work, download the source and compile it
[10:34] <WillCooke> Quest-Master, OK.  1st problem get the kernel source on it, then I'll be back! ;)
[10:34] <Quest-Master> :)
[10:34] <VincentMX> knucks now nupack
[10:34] <VincentMX> knucks now unpack
[10:34] <knucks> what do i add to dpkg?
[10:34] <knucks> whats the whole command
[10:34] <Quest-Master> dpkg -i
[10:35] <VincentMX> don't know
[10:35] <apokryphos> knucks: man page :P
[10:35] <VincentMX> how do you configure the GRUB?
[10:35] <knucks> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gparted:
[10:35] <R0bNyc> when are we getting gnome 2.9.22 or 2.10
[10:36] <knucks>  gparted depends on libglibmm-2.4-1; however:
[10:36] <knucks>   Package libglibmm-2.4-1 is not installed.
[10:36] <tck> R0bNyc, when its officially released
[10:36] <apokryphos> knucks: I'm sure you can infer what you have to do now.
[10:36] <tck> i think the hoary preview comes out on the same day as the gnome 2.10
[10:36] <knucks> i tried apt-get install that pacage
[10:36] <knucks> bug:
[10:36] <knucks> but*
[10:36] <R0bNyc> tck, isn't Hoary suppose to be the bleeding edge ubuntu?
[10:36] <apokryphos> knucks: do you have a fast connection?
[10:36] <tck> it is
[10:37] <bzbb> grmph
[10:37] <knucks> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[10:37] <knucks> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:37] <knucks>   gparted: Depends: libgtkmm-2.4-1 but it is not going to be installed
[10:37] <knucks>            Depends: libparted1.6-12 (>= 1.6.0) but it is not installable
[10:37] <knucks>            Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[10:37] <knucks>   libglibmm-2.4-1: Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[10:37] <knucks> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[10:37] <knucks> Yeah
[10:37] <Quest-Master> knucks: Run apt-get -f install
[10:37] <apokryphos> knucks: please don't flood the channel
[10:37] <tck> it cant have the latest gnome unless gnome release it
[10:37] <knucks> sorry
[10:37] <bzbb> hoary can be fun
[10:37] <apokryphos> knucks: if you have a fast connection, it's worth upgrading to hoary.
[10:37] <bzbb> it can also be really annoying
[10:38] <knucks> ok did apt-get -f install
[10:38] <knucks> let me try dpkg again
[10:38] <Quest-Master> Does Project Utopia work perfectly in the current Hoary?
[10:38] <cocol> hown i check the version on commandline of gnome?
[10:38] <alisson> Quest-Master, sorry for asking again, but I find a topic how to installing java, but the export is used in the bash. Next time that I reboot I will lost the command.
[10:38] <apokryphos> bzbb: hoary...annoying? Never! :P
[10:38] <bzbb> fox example, I just upgraded, and it decided i'm only good fro 1024/768
[10:39] <apokryphos> alisson: you can specify it in your ~/.bashrc file.
[10:39] <Quest-Master> alisson: Are you sure? :\ The commands I used on those pages have worked fine for me for months now
[10:39] <MrKeuner> hi, how is it possible to add a new language at the gdm menu?
[10:39] <knucks> ugh its not working
[10:40] <knucks> its just telling me that now im missing libparted1.6-12
[10:40] <knucks> and itry getting that and its not available
[10:40] <alisson> Quest-Master, I come from slack, and there, that I remember, was in that way.....
[10:41] <MrKeuner> or how can I change operating system language from english to german?
[10:41] <alisson> Quest-Master, I don't know if in debian the command export is different.
[10:41] <Loiosh> alisson: When you place it in bash.rc each time a user logs into a BASH shell, the PATH is set.
[10:42] <alisson> Loiosh, don't is better then put in .profile, then whanever i log in, the PATH is set?
[10:42] <alisson> Loiosh, *isn't
[10:42] <Loiosh> I put it in the profile file myself.
[10:43] <bzbb> hmph
[10:43] <bzbb> when I try to add a modeline with xorgcfg, it brings up a dialog box with the text "label" and the options yes or no
[10:43] <bzbb> neither one does anything
[10:44] <alisson> Loiosh, ok, I will do it then. The problem is when a admnistrator have a lot of users already set.
[10:44] <MrKeuner> or how can I add a new session language in gdm?
[10:44] <knucks> ok gparted isnt working
[10:44] <Loiosh> Yeah, Ubuntu's instructions normally don't take into account multiple users =)
[10:44] <knucks> i found libparted in synaptic..
[10:48] <knucks> so can someone help me with a partition program?
[10:48] <knucks> i dont care which, i just want one thats easy to use and install
[10:48] <linuxn00b> qtarted..I think thats what it's called
[10:49] <linuxn00b> oops qtparted
[10:49] <knucks> i think i tried that one and it didnt work..let me try again
[10:49] <Quest-Master> Ack
[10:49] <drspin> hey all
[10:49] <linuxn00b> hey drspin :)
[10:49] <Quest-Master> How to I manually change my resolution?
[10:49] <Quest-Master> And the hertz my monitor is running at?
[10:50] <knucks> i get this error trying to launch it:
[10:50] <Quest-Master> After upgrading to Hoary
[10:50] <drspin> Quest-Master: warty or hoary?
[10:50] <Quest-Master> I'm stuck in 800x600
[10:50] <Quest-Master> And 53hz
[10:50] <Quest-Master> Really ugly
[10:50] <Quest-Master> :(
[10:50] <Kly> www.otomotivshow.com
[10:50] <knucks> "Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/sbin/su-to-root/"
[10:50] <Quest-Master> How do I fix it?
[10:50] <linuxn00b> Quest-Master, you can change it in your xfree86 config file
[10:50] <drspin> Quest-Master: I would copy the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:50] <Quest-Master> Ok
[10:50] <drspin> It's rough but it worked for me...
[10:51] <drspin> linuxn00b: Hoary uses xorg rather than Xfree
[10:51] <linuxn00b> I just wanna sya that synergy is the coolest program I have found in a while :D
[10:51] <drspin> what's a good linux VPN server?
[10:51] <linuxn00b> drspin, I know I thougth he was uing warty :D
[10:51] <drspin> ... free VPN server
[10:52] <LinuxJones> linuxn00b, it's pretty cool :)
[10:52] <drspin> linuxn00b: K
[10:52] <tck> knucks, try cfdisk
[10:52] <knucks> apt-get it?
[10:52] <tck> its a cusrse based partitioner
[10:52] <Quest-Master> Ok
[10:52] <Quest-Master> drspin, should I restart GNOME now?
[10:52] <cwill1> I'm having crashy hangy problems
[10:52] <linuxn00b> anyone know what version of synergy is in hoary?
[10:53] <drspin> Quest-Master: restart x [ctrl + alt + backspace] 
[10:53] <drspin> cwill1: what does dmesg|tail say?
[10:53] <LinuxJones> linuxn00b, 1.0.14-1
[10:53] <cwill1> not sure... waiting for the thing to come up again
[10:53] <knucks> cfdisk wont start up
[10:53] <cwill1> or was that not a typo :p
[10:54] <cwill1> no, I just can't spell my own name
[10:54] <tck> knucks, what u mean
[10:54] <linuxn00b> LinuxJones, why soo old?? warty uses the smae one :S
[10:54] <tck> try it as root
[10:54] <tck> sudo cfdisk
[10:54] <knucks> command not found
[10:54] <LinuxJones> linuxn00b, nobody updated it
[10:54] <knucks> and i just installed it using synaptic
[10:54] <tck> knucks, thats strange it should be there, what are you running ?
[10:54] <Chipzz> knucks: sudo /usr/sbin/cfdisk
[10:55] <linuxn00b> LinuxJones, is it easy to make a deb from source..I have never done it before haha
[10:55] <knucks> sudo: /usr/sbin/cfdisk: command not found
[10:55] <drspin> what does APIC error on CPU0 mean?
[10:55] <Chipzz> hmm weird
[10:55] <BiteMeBill> doesn't cfdisk also need to know what device you want to open with it?
[10:55] <LinuxJones> linuxn00b, I haven't either but I don't think it's too difficult
[10:56] <linuxn00b> humm, ok i'll look around and see if I can make one :D
[10:56] <LinuxJones> linuxn00b, it's a good project for you :D
[10:56] <knucks> ugh this is so frustrating
[10:56] <knucks> gparted wont work
[10:56] <Chipzz> BiteMeBill: the error he's getting is an error from the shell, not cfdisk
[10:56] <knucks> qtparted wont work
[10:56] <Chipzz> so that's unrelated
[10:57] <LinuxJones> knucks, just use cfdisk
[10:57] <knucks> cfdisk doesnt work!
[10:57] <cwill1> ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0]  (battery present)
[10:57] <cwill1> ACPI: AC Adapter [AC]  (on-line)
[10:57] <cwill1> ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] 
[10:57] <cwill1> ACPI: Sleep Button (FF) [SLPF] 
[10:57] <cwill1> ACPI: Lid Switch [LID] 
[10:57] <cwill1> cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x200-0x207 0x220-0x22f
[10:57] <cwill1>  0x330-0x337 0x388-0x38f
[10:57] <cwill1> cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean.
[10:57] <LinuxJones> knucks, your in the account that you installed Ubuntu with ?
[10:57] <knucks> yeah
[10:57] <drspin> knucks: try logging out and logging back in
[10:58] <LinuxJones> knucks, your starting it in a root console right ?
[10:58] <linuxn00b> LinuxJones, yea I hope it will be a good project :)
[10:58] <knucks> yeah
[10:58] <linuxn00b> anyone here watch anime?
[10:58] <LinuxJones> linuxn00b, and we can enjoy all of your hard work :P
[10:58] <cwill1> cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean
[10:58] <cwill1> cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean
[10:58] <cwill1> eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[10:58] <LinuxJones> knucks, are you on warty or hoary ?
[10:58] <cwill1> and that's it
[10:58] <knucks> warty
[10:58] <sabdfl> greetings ubuntites!
[10:58] <knucks> i just tried:
[10:58] <BiteMeBill>  could try sudo sbin/cfdisk
[10:58] <knucks> sudo cfdisk
[10:58] <knucks> and i get:
[10:58] <linuxn00b> LinuxJones, oh yea :D
[10:59] <knucks> FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive!
[10:59] <LinuxJones> knucks, sudo -s to open an admin console then type cfdisk
[10:59] <knucks> FATAL ERROR thing
[10:59] <R0bNyc> What iso burning app can I use on ubuntu?
[10:59] <knucks> GnomeBaker ^
[11:00] <apokryphos> R0bNyc: or k3b. :P
[11:00] <R0bNyc> thanks let me aptitude install it
[11:00] <drspin> or nautilus will burn an ISO right from the browser -- right click on the ISO -- the extension has to be lower-case in Warty, not sure if it's fixed in Hoary or not
[11:01] <lunitik> R0bNyc: graveman is probably the best burning app in the archive...
[11:01] <lunitik> apokryphos: no one uses k3b... gnomebaker has a simular interface though...
[11:02] <knucks> i really want to get this partiton thing working :(
[11:02] <knucks> wtf
[11:02] <drspin> I use k3b currently but I hate it...
[11:02] <apokryphos> lunitik: odd statement. I use it. Others do too.
[11:02] <lunitik> apokryphos: well, no intelligent gnome user  :/
[11:02] <Loiosh> graveman / gnomebaker? =)
[11:02] <apokryphos> I use it and love it
[11:02] <apokryphos> lunitik: Er... why?
[11:02] <Loiosh> Debate for my amusement =)
[11:02] <Loiosh> Hehe
[11:02] <lunitik> apokryphos: takes like 5 mins to load the kde libs
[11:03] <apokryphos> lunitik: Don't presuppose that everyone's computer takes the same time to load things.
[11:03] <apokryphos> lunitik: seems reasonably speedy for me in Gnome, when I actually venture into there.
[11:03] <lunitik> apokryphos: either way, it takes about 10 times longer than using a gnome/gtk app
[11:03] <apokryphos> lunitik: never as fast as in kde though, naturally.
[11:03] <apokryphos> lunitik: Well, your point is a little ruined by the exaggeration.
[11:04] <Sav> What is Knubuntu?
[11:04] <lunitik> Sav: Kubuntu... KDE based Ubuntu
[11:04] <Loiosh> KDE Ubuntu
[11:04] <Sav> ok
[11:04] <sabdfl> Sav: it's the nutella theme of the Kubuntu distro
[11:04] <cwill1> synaptic is having troubles, although it might be more general
[11:05] <knucks> ok i launched qtparted
[11:05] <knucks> and it told me no device detected
[11:05] <knucks> what is up with that?
[11:05] <drspin> why does my processor usage on my dual processor machine never really rise much higher than 50%???
[11:05] <BiteMeBill> knucks: what are you trying to partition?
[11:05] <zenrox> knucks,  put a sudo infrount of it
[11:05] <cwill1> drspin... are you using more than one major program at a time?
[11:06] <knucks> BiteMeBill: i want to delete my ntfs partition and make a linux one
[11:06] <ch1> hello...i have a question...anybody know what the problem could be if my computer shuts down out of nowhere...and doesnt start back up....
[11:06] <drspin> cwill1: ... sometimes...
[11:06] <BiteMeBill> sudo fdisk /dev/hda doesn't work?
[11:06] <drspin> ch1: power supply
[11:06] <knucks> um
[11:06] <Loiosh> Heh, that was quick
[11:06] <lunitik> sabdfl: aren't you Mark Shuttleworth?  *blush*
[11:06] <MrKeuner> is it possible to have ubuntu in another language?
[11:06] <drspin> ch1: maybe just a bad power cable...
[11:07] <lunitik> MrKeuner: yes... dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:07] <ch1> i tried two power cables...
[11:07] <knucks> how do i view all my partitions in consel?
[11:07] <drspin> Quest-Master: any luck?
[11:07] <ch1> so power supply huh...ok...i'll try that out...
[11:07] <lunitik> knucks: fdisk -l
[11:07] <lunitik> knucks: uhh... sudo that though
[11:07] <ch1> so its not the mobo at all..?
[11:07] <drspin> knucks ls /dev/hda*
[11:07] <njs12345> anyone know why I get this error when trying to install the fglrx drivers:
[11:08] <drspin> ch1: could be -- I was just starting at the more obvious places...
[11:08] <knucks> i want to get rid of it
[11:08] <MrKeuner> lunitik/ I'd like to change the language for just one user if I can. When she logs in from gdm she should see gnome in another language
[11:08] <knucks> ok /dev/hdc5 is my ntfs
[11:08] <ch1> hopefully its the power supply...alot cheaper than the rest...=P
[11:08] <njs12345> trying to overwrite '/usr/X11R6/bin/fgl_glxgears', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[11:08] <drspin> ch1: indeed
[11:08] <Loiosh> LoL
[11:08] <qosmof> hi :)
[11:08] <ch1> thanks guys....
[11:08] <lunitik> MrKeuner: Don't know how to do that, sorry
[11:09] <drspin> I have two systems running Ubuntu :) :)
[11:09] <drspin> I'm about to convert my laptop as well :D
[11:09] <njs12345> then it says "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[11:09] <Loiosh> My computer absolutely hates it =)
[11:09] <njs12345> I have two as well
[11:09] <MrKeuner> lunitik/ ok thanks anyway
[11:09] <knucks> so how do i fdisk my /dev/hdc5 partition?
[11:09] <ch1> yeah..im on my laptop runnin ubuntu rite now...
[11:09] <ch1> its great..
[11:09] <njs12345> and four have run linux at some point or another
[11:09] <Loiosh> I cannot even get the live CD to work. It keeps crashing on the SCSI detection in the kernel.
[11:09] <cwill1> yay for laptops
[11:09] <drspin> I have gentoo on my laptop now...
[11:09] <Loiosh> The new one (Array 6), warty works fine with noscsi
[11:09] <drspin> *yawn* I grew bored of it
[11:09] <Loiosh> Haha
[11:10] <Loiosh> emerge (wait 2 days)
[11:10] <ch1> oo...gentoo..i tried that.....learned alot...but man...cant stand waiting there for sumthing to get installed..
[11:10] <knucks> ...
[11:10] <BiteMeBill> you need to choose the partition that you want to delete and then create
[11:10] <lunitik> knucks: you mean format? mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc5 (for instance)
[11:10] <qosmof> sorry but I'm the fucking newbie of this fucking night :) From the web: This means that a user's first experience with Ubuntu could end being confused by the cryptic error message "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg."
[11:10] <LinuxJones> knucks, fdisk /dev/hdc
[11:10] <javaJake> Are there ops here? I HATE swearing.
[11:10] <drspin> Loiosh: indeed -- although it was a GREAT learning experience -- all 3 times I had to start over because the system clock wasn't set right
[11:10] <njs12345> qosmof: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:10] <njs12345> or some variation of that
[11:10] <javaJake> Anyway, taht's off the subject, I've got a q:
[11:10] <Loiosh> Start over, seriously?
[11:10] <Loiosh> rdate -s
[11:11] <qosmof> njan, thanks so much
[11:11] <njs12345> qosmof: np
[11:11] <qosmof> njs12,
[11:11] <njs12345> mp3 support can't be shipped because it has patent problems
[11:11] <saBrEwolf> hey people, I was wondering if you could help me.. I have a Nvidia graphics card [GeForce N 128MB AGPx8] , but it doesn't seem to be supported by the drivers that are in universe of warty, is there any way of getting the latest drivers in deb?
[11:11] <lunitik> njs12345: no one is inforcing it though, which makes it somewhat more annoying...
[11:11] <knucks> what does mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc5 do?
[11:12] <lunitik> njs12345: imo, if Debian can ship something, everyone should feel safe to do the same...
[11:12] <javaJake> If I install Ubuntu over redhat v8, will I keep my current Windows and RedHat partitions?
[11:12] <lunitik> knucks: formats the partition
[11:12] <knucks> k thanks
[11:12] <Loiosh> I don't know if this is supported, Sabre, but you could always get the nvidia drivers from their website.
[11:12] <BiteMeBill> formats hdc5 to ext3 format
[11:12] <Loiosh> They're binary -only-
[11:12] <knucks> ext3 - liunux right?
[11:12] <BiteMeBill> yes
[11:12] <ompaul> javaJake, if you want to
[11:12] <javaJake> :-)
[11:12] <javaJake> sorry, couldn't resist.
[11:12] <javaJake> ok, tahks
[11:13] <lunitik> Loiosh: its in the archive... wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:13] <javaJake> so redhat will be gone, BUT NOT WINDOWS, right?
[11:13] <qosmof> njs12345, off the suject?
[11:13] <knucks> ok formatting
[11:13] <njs12345> lunitik: I haven't researched the matter, I'm just saying what I've heard =)
[11:13] <soren9580> is there any way to automatically transfer a file based upon its modification date/time?
[11:13] <tck> saBrEwolf, join #nvidia for linux/nvidia gfx card help
[11:13] <saBrEwolf> ok, thanks for pointing in the right direction :)
[11:13] <njs12345> anybody know anything about my Q?
[11:13] <rcliii> javajake: there's an option in the installer to partition manually -- that's what you want
[11:13] <njs12345> I'll probably end up just reinstalling..
[11:13] <Loiosh> That's cool
[11:13] <ompaul> javaJake, as long as you do it the way you have it done now - so print out your existing /etc/fstab and use it to create your "new ubuntu" partitions
[11:13] <lunitik> njs12345: didn't see your question... what was it?
[11:14] <rcliii> javajake: you can force it to leave the windows partition alone, but format the redhat partitions
[11:14] <javaJake> ok, that's what I want.
[11:14] <cwill1> laptop.  synaptic.   don't get along.  suggestion?  :p
[11:14] <njs12345> when trying to install ATi drivers: trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin/fgl_glxgears`, which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[11:14] <javaJake> how do I do that?
[11:14] <ompaul> javaJake, was the RH stuff done by hand or automagically?
[11:14] <Loiosh> automagically, LoL
[11:14] <njs12345> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[11:14] <VladDrac> cwil what's your problem?
[11:14] <javaJake> (I've trashed Windows trying to install linux, don't want to do it again.)
[11:14] <knucks> ok now what?
[11:15] <cwill1> trying to do an update all
[11:15] <javaJake> Done by hand
[11:15] <knucks> it still says that the hdc5 is ntfs
[11:15] <Echylo> I say it again
[11:15] <cwill1> I was getting hangs during the downloads, although they eventually finished
[11:15] <Echylo> http://www.musicplasma.com && LimeWire rock!
[11:15] <sabdfl> lunitik: yup
[11:15] <ompaul> javaJake, well print out /etc/fstab and if you break it you break it
[11:15] <cwill1> but the config locks up
[11:15] <sabdfl> greetings
[11:15] <sabdfl> earthling :-
[11:15] <sabdfl> )
[11:15] <lunitik> njs12345: dpkg --force-overwrite -i thepackage   (may need to apt-get -d install thepackage if you're getting it from online)
[11:15] <njs12345> if the worst comes to the worst I could always just install the fglrx drivers from source.. but that's kinda crappy because then I have to update them myself =)
[11:15] <njs12345> lunitik: woot! thanks
[11:15] <javaJake> *sigh*
[11:15] <javaJake> I really dont want to have any more "accidents".
[11:15] <lunitik> sabdfl: cool... thanks a lot for your efforts, much appreciated  :)
[11:15] <rcliii> javajake: just select manual partitioning in the install (the automatic partitioner defaults to using the whole disk)
[11:16] <javaJake> ok
[11:16] <rcliii> javajake: once you're in the manual partitioning section it will leave windows alone by default
[11:16] <javaJake> I'll have to do it with a computer expert.
[11:16] <ompaul> javaJake, it should work as long as you do not do it wrong, and if you do it carefully you will not have accidents - rush in and break it all
[11:16] <lunitik> sabdfl: psst, you should talk to calc if you want a good KDE maintainer... maintained KDE for Debian on his own for a while  ;)
[11:16] <knucks> what do i do now with my ntfs partition ?
[11:16] <soren9580> does anyone have an answer to my question?
[11:16] <rcliii> javajake: in fact, you have to specifically tell it to format any partitions, and it will warn you that you're going to trash the data on those partitions
[11:16] <njs12345> ta lunitik :)
[11:16] <sabdfl> lunitik: ok, thanks, i know Riddell and haggai and amu would appreciate any help
[11:16] <lunitik> njs12345: yw
[11:16] <cwillu> ahh... much better
[11:17] <javaJake> rcliii: ok
[11:17] <cwillu> (the name at least)
[11:17] <LinuxJones> soren9580, for like a backup ?
[11:17] <soren9580> yea
[11:17] <javaJake> ompaul: well, i tried, but I trashed Windows. (I had no idea what hda1 meant at the time. :)
[11:17] <soren9580> well, i'm downloading files
[11:17] <Loiosh> Haha Jake =)
[11:17] <lunitik> sabdfl: he deserves it, good guy  :)
[11:17] <njs12345> anyone seen xchat-gnome debs?
[11:17] <soren9580> and i dont want them to be copied until they are finished downloading
[11:17] <knucks> please can someone help me with my ntfs partition?
[11:18] <ompaul> javaJake, so do you know what it is now?
[11:18] <lunitik> njs12345: XChat is gnome based... same thing
[11:18] <soren9580> once they are finished, i want to automatically move them to a folder where they will automatically rsync with my computer
[11:18] <soren9580> i've got the rsync down
[11:18] <javaJake> ompaul: yea.... it's the largest partition.
[11:18] <njs12345> lunitik: http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/
[11:18] <njs12345> :)
[11:18] <soren9580> but i can't figure out how to move them based upon date modified
[11:18] <LinuxJones> soren9580, you might want to look @ rsync it updates only the parts of the file that changed.
[11:18] <ompaul> javaJake, look it is this easy/hard - print out /etc/fstab from dead rat and you will have the partition table as it is now - that tells you what is what
[11:18] <soren9580> yea, the --update flag
[11:18] <javaJake> ompaul & rcliii: ok, so manual partition, delete redhat, install in that partiton. Got it.
[11:19] <LinuxJones> soren9580, rsync won't do it for you ?
[11:19] <soren9580> i already use that so i don't transfer files twice
[11:19] <soren9580> nope, if its got half a file
[11:19] <soren9580> its gonna transfer that half of a file
[11:19] <LinuxJones> soren9580, ohh I see
[11:19] <soren9580> and there's no way to stop it from transferring locked files
[11:19] <javaJake> ompaul: I have no clue HOW to print out /etc etc.
[11:19] <lunitik> njs12345: oh... uhh... ouch
[11:19] <ompaul> javaJake, have you a printer attached to the linux machine?
[11:19] <lunitik> njs12345: looks ugly!
[11:19] <javaJake> no.
[11:20] <javaJake> (sadly enough)
[11:20] <LinuxJones> soren9580, you should be able to do it using a bash script but how do you determine if the download is finished ?
[11:20] <njs12345> I think it looks quite good personally :)
[11:20] <ompaul> can you see one from the windows machine?
[11:20] <larsson_> Hi again. The package dcgui-qt seems to be broken in hoary. Any comment? Will it be fixed?
[11:20] <ompaul> javaJake, actually forget that do the following and write it out on paper
[11:20] <larsson_> It works fine the first time, but during the second startup it either crashes or looks funny.
[11:20] <soren9580> based upon when it was last modified
[11:20] <lunitik> njs12345: I like the current look... that just looks cluttered
[11:20] <ompaul> javaJake, cat /etc/fstab
[11:20] <soren9580> if it was last modified 10 minutes prior to the running of the script
[11:20] <LinuxJones> soren9580, if you had md5sum of the files you could run a bash script every few minutes and only have the files transfer if the md5sum is correct
[11:21] <javaJake> cat /etc/fstab ok
[11:21] <soren9580> i was thinking that too
[11:21] <soren9580> and the torrents should have it
[11:21] <ompaul> javaJake, that is how hard it is to read the existing partiation table so you can use the partitions the same
[11:21] <soren9580> let me check if i can use the bittorrent software to check the md5
[11:21] <LinuxJones> soren9580, yes they should :)
[11:21] <GammaRay> would someone tell me why the idiot who wrote the grub manual could not refrain from saying "That was easy, admit it." in the actual manual?
[11:21] <lunitik> njs12345: current XChat, you can have it so that all that shows is the input field, any tabs, and the chat area, everything else can be hidden... looks simple and nice
[11:21] <javaJake> ompaul: thanks! thanks for your patience while dealing with a dummy.
[11:22] <ompaul> javaJake, I'm saying nothing
[11:22] <soren9580> its just a question of can i get it?
[11:22] <javaJake> ompaul: great. Now you made me feel REALLY dumb. :-)
[11:22] <Loiosh> Awww
[11:22] <Loiosh> Don't worry Jake
[11:22] <cwillu> is this going to work?
[11:23] <cwillu> <--crosses fingers
[11:23] <Loiosh> I cannot even run it, you're far ahead of me, hehe
[11:23] <larsson_> Anyone using dcgui-qt here? From APT?
[11:23] <cwillu> heh
[11:23] <cwillu> synaptic just... disappeared
[11:23] <ompaul> javaJake, you may have skills out side of the area of linux I do not know, frankly install ubuntu get rid of windows and increase the mind share :)
[11:23] <lunitik> larsson_: most people in here don't use any qt or kde apps.
[11:24] <javaJake> ompaul: Windows is the main OS for me.
[11:24] <lunitik> javaJake: sell out  :P
[11:24] <Loiosh> Anyone want to take s stab at my Ubuntu LiveCD / installing problem
[11:24] <Loiosh> Hahaha
[11:24] <cwillu> work work work
[11:24] <Riddell> lunitik: apart from all the k3b users :)
[11:24] <soren9580> it doesn't seem like there's a way to get it out of the torrent file
[11:24] <cwillu> anyone know why synaptic would just disappear?
[11:24] <Loiosh> Oh, so are you
[11:24] <Loiosh> LoL
[11:24] <ompaul> javaJake,  if you write out that stuff I told you about you will be fine in the installer and feel empowered - something windows does not do for people as far as I know ;-)
[11:24] <soren9580> without seriously modifying btdownloadcurses
[11:24] <blizah> anything in linux/ubuntu play wmv files?
[11:24] <Neil3> blizah, yep
[11:25] <Neil3> the win32 codecs
[11:25] <knucks> ok how do i format my ntfs partition
[11:25] <Neil3> with your media player of choice
[11:25] <Neil3> mplayer or xine
[11:25] <javaJake> Windows is the only one that can support my games, my favourtie text editor, should I continue?
[11:25] <lunitik> Riddell: gah... GNOME users shouldn't use KDE apps... loading kinit just to burn a CD is moronic.
[11:25] <javaJake> Well, gotta go.
[11:25] <Loiosh> No =) You shouldn't hehe
[11:25] <Loiosh> Then you'll get advice on how to fix that, LoL
[11:25] <ompaul> javaJake, /quit while your ahead :)
[11:25] <Loiosh> So, anyone want to take a look at my Ubuntu issue? =)
[11:26] <knucks> i know you guys know how to fdisk
[11:26] <javaJake> GAG! IM NOT TYPINGF RIGT STOP FUSHING EM!
[11:26] <lunitik> Riddell: I've never been a fan of mixing the environments, enless your xsession loads both... most won't do that though.
[11:26] <ompaul> Loiosh, what is it?
[11:27] <blizah> does ubuntu come with mplayer or xine?
[11:27] <Loiosh> Well, we'll start with the CD. When it starts the kernel, it crashes on "Bringing up SCSI" noscsi scsi=no ACPI=no, etc, doesn't help, sadly. This is the array 6 cd.
[11:27] <cwillu> hmm... killing postfix seems to have done something
[11:27] <njs12345> blizah: I believe it comes with a stripped-down xine
[11:27] <njs12345> but you can get mplayer
[11:27] <blizah> just go download it?
[11:27] <Loiosh> The Ubuntu warty install cd crashes when probing my advansys (IOMEGA jaz jet PCI scsi) card.
[11:27] <njs12345> nah
[11:27] <Loiosh> The system just.. halts.
[11:27] <knucks> HELP
[11:27] <njs12345> add a repositiory
[11:27] <lunitik> Riddell: plus, using KDE apps with GNOME gives the same issues I dislike about Kubuntu right now not using gtk2-engines-gtk-qt by default...
[11:28] <ompaul> knucks, fdisk -l /dev/hd(a/b/c/d) discover your ntfs then fdisk /dev/hdxn where x is the letter for the drive and n the number of that  partition
[11:28] <knucks> How do I format my NTFS partition
[11:28] <blizah> i do tht in synaptic right jks12345?
[11:28] <lunitik> knucks: you don't from Linux.
[11:28] <knucks> how then
[11:28] <cwillu> knucks, look for bootitng
[11:28] <Loiosh> So, that's my issue, hehe.
[11:28] <Loiosh> The old (warty) live CD worked fine with noscsi
[11:28] <ompaul> knucks do you want to release that space to ubnuntu?
[11:28] <lunitik> knucks: set the partition aside, and let windows installer do it
[11:28] <cwillu> boot disk with a gui to do partition work, fairly straightforward, just don't it "install to harddrive" when it starts up
[11:29] <knucks> ompaul: yeah
[11:29] <ompaul> knucks then follow the advice I just gave out
[11:29] <cwillu> can somebody tell me why synpatic closes while installing?
[11:29] <lunitik> knucks: ahh... then it doesn't matter what file system it is now... just mkfs.ext3 /dev/whateveritis
[11:29] <ompaul> Loiosh, I would suggest in that case to try hoary arry 5
[11:29] <ompaul> array even
[11:30] <knucks> sudo fdisk /dev/hdc5
[11:30] <knucks> right?
[11:30] <Loiosh> That installer doesn't pop the kernel SCSI does it?
[11:30] <ompaul> knucks, that looks okay
[11:30] <lunitik> ompaul: any reason you don't recommend daily's?  (genuine question... seems better to start from a more up to date point..)
[11:30] <cwillu> lunitik: they may well be broekn
[11:30] <soren9580> okay
[11:30] <cwillu> broken
[11:30] <knucks> i opened: COmman (m for help):
[11:30] <ompaul> lunitik, yeah on a day to day level you could get a really bad one
[11:31] <GammaRay> why does menu.lst say root (hd0,0) when my my root is /dev/hdd and I have a /dev/hda as well?
[11:31] <lunitik> cwillu: thats why you check the report.html file
[11:31] <ompaul> lunitik, following that you should be a developer not a new user for that level of exposure of possible frustration
[11:31] <lunitik> ompaul: ^^
[11:31] <Loiosh> Hehehe
[11:31] <Loiosh> I tried the daily =)
[11:31] <drspin> why can't I find gmaplyer in synaptic?
[11:31] <knucks> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc5 now..
[11:31] <knucks> writing inode tables..
[11:32] <GammaRay> should it not be (hd1,0)?
[11:32] <ompaul> cause it is gmplayer
[11:32] <Loiosh> The problem isn't a package, it's part of the new kernel startup they're using.
[11:32] <lunitik> ompaul: I got one bad image... and learned fast to start looking at the report's
[11:32] <Echylo> should I stay or should I go
[11:32] <Echylo> deng deng deng
[11:32] <ompaul> lunitik, ubuntu gets suggested to a lot of newbies and I would not expose a total newbie to that
[11:32] <lunitik> drspin: mplayer-386 (for instance) has gmplayer... mplayer-nogui is the only one that doesn't contain it
[11:32] <Loiosh> It's doing something with the SCSI card.
[11:33] <lunitik> ompaul: I wouldn't expose such users to the devel branch at all   :/
[11:33] <drspin> lunitik: YAY! --
[11:33] <cwillu> "removing gdm" ...
[11:33] <Loiosh> Lun, you want to try to trouble shoot my issue? =)
[11:33] <cwillu> this can't be good
[11:33] <ompaul> lunitik, I would when and only when they do not get warty to run - and then I only suggest array5
[11:33] <knucks> ok what now?
[11:33] <knucks> it still says its a NTFS
[11:34] <ompaul> knucks, it will until you reboot :-(
[11:34] <knucks> ooo
[11:34] <knucks> ok
[11:34] <knucks> brb then
[11:34] <Loiosh> Reboot?! =)
[11:34] <lunitik> ompaul: Array 5 is just a daily snapshot that happened the day the release plan said they were supposed to do a devel release
[11:34] <njs12345> oo.. spiffy
[11:34] <njs12345> this xchat-gnome thing is pretty cool..
[11:35] <lunitik> ompaul: the array discs are just as likely to have bugs as any other daily
[11:35] <ompaul> lunitik, and I hve used it a lot and not had issues with it - it has a bit more hardware support that has worked for me
[11:35] <blizah> njs12345 so i do synaptic to get mplayer?
[11:35] <drspin> gstreamer0.8 or xine?
[11:35] <njs12345> yup
[11:35] <blizah> you know the package name?
[11:35] <soren9580> how do isolate the output of ls -l?
[11:35] <sabdfl> ompaul: please file bugs on anything you find now, as we are in final bug push through to release mode
[11:35] <soren9580> to get just the last modified time?
[11:35] <lunitik> drspin: why do you want xine when you have mplayer around?
[11:35] <njs12345> soren9580: ls -l | grep <some text>
[11:36] <drspin> soren9580: ls -l | grep <string>
[11:36] <ompaul> sabdfl, I have none at this time - I have pushed out stuff for grumpy
[11:36] <Loiosh> Where would we report them, sabdfl?
[11:36] <soren9580> cool, thanks
[11:36] <cwillu> is xorg or xfree86 the x server in hoary?
[11:36] <drspin> lunitik: just asking which would be better... I still use totem for a few things...
[11:36] <drspin> xorg
[11:36] <sabdfl> ompaul: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:36] <soren9580> now i just have to figure out what the grep should be to get just the date modified
[11:36] <njs12345> oh, if you only want the last modified time
[11:36] <drspin> soren9580: where you from?
[11:36] <Echylo> xorg cwillu ?
[11:37] <apokryphos> cwillu: though you can of course use both
[11:37] <soren9580> Oregon
[11:37] <soren9580> i'm a student
[11:37] <cwillu> okay, thx
[11:37] <Loiosh> Thanks, sabdfl =)
[11:37] <blizah> njs12345, you know the package name in synap?
[11:37] <ompaul> sabdfl, I do not have bugs to report at this time - and I spent a lot of today doing apt-get update
[11:37] <lunitik> drspin: currently gstreamer's ffmpeg plugin isn't up to much, so the xine backend would be more useful
[11:37] <drspin> soren9580: NM -- one of my buddies used to use your nick
[11:37] <lunitik> drspin: they are working on that though apparently
[11:37] <GNAM> incredible! my ubuntu-64 won't install
[11:37] <drspin> lunitik: thanks
[11:37] <soren9580> well, i used to live in CA
[11:37] <drspin> soren9580: yeah - nope... New Mexico
[11:37] <apokryphos> Not Soren Kierkegaard fans, by any chance?
[11:37] <soren9580> and i think i'm the only person to ever use this nickname
[11:38] <ompaul> apt-get install was rather busy
[11:38] <soren9580> with 9580 at the end?
[11:38] <njs12345> ls -l | awk '{ print $6 " " print $7 }'
[11:38] <njs12345> blizah: you need to add some repositories
[11:38] <njs12345> and then it's mplayer -i586, or mplayer-k7, or mplayer-i386
[11:38] <blizah> as i stare blankly :D
[11:38] <GNAM> error when installing kernel "linux-amd64-generic"
[11:38] <GNAM> auau
[11:38] <njs12345> depending on your CPU
[11:38] <drspin> njs12345: what processor?
[11:38] <blizah> sorry im new
[11:38] <lunitik> njs12345: the mplayer packages don't contain the i part
[11:39] <njs12345> don't they
[11:39] <njs12345> oh no, they don't
[11:39] <njs12345> fear not
[11:39] <soren9580> njs12345 i don't have auk
[11:39] <lunitik> njs12345: you probably want 'mplayer-686'
[11:39] <ompaul> GNAM, would that something to do with an  SATA controller?
[11:39] <sabdfl> ompaul: from warty to hoary?
[11:39] <njs12345> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:39] <blizah> so if ya dont mind me asking what does "adding repositories" involve?
[11:39] <GNAM> i've aspire 1522, notebook
[11:39] <njs12345> you don't have awk?
[11:39] <sabdfl> blizah: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:39] <GNAM> I tried Warty, now I try Hoary
[11:39] <GNAM> I'll try Hoary 6
[11:39] <njs12345> or go to Settings->Repositories
[11:40] <ompaul> sabdfl, no - just a new box not production
[11:40] <njs12345> (in synaptic)
[11:40] <soren9580> nm
[11:40] <lunitik> drspin: uhh... you prolly want 'mplayer-686' if you have an intel... or -k6 if you have an Athlon
[11:40] <soren9580> i typed it in wrong
[11:40] <Loiosh> Oh, there's a bug report for this as well.
[11:40] <njs12345> :)
[11:40] <soren9580> i'm getting this output
[11:40] <soren9580> awk: cmd. line:1: { print $6 " " print $7 }
[11:40] <soren9580> awk: cmd. line:1:                ^ parse error
[11:40] <drspin> lunitik: it wasn't me -- I use 686 in both systems (P4 && dual celerons)
[11:40] <sabdfl> ok
[11:40] <blizah> i have all enabled except deb-src
[11:40] <lunitik> njs12345: also... k7 is only a transition package... depending on k6
[11:40] <njs12345> oh
[11:40] <ompaul> sabdfl, the hoary box is happy and got a lot of testing from two of us with many years of runlevel changing between us :) we then left it with its owner
[11:40] <njs12345> I didn't know that
[11:40] <lunitik> njs12345: now you do
[11:41] <sabdfl> ompaul: that's good news!
[11:41] <drspin> 686 depends on 586 as well ;)
[11:41] <njs12345> yup :)
[11:41] <bob_> any deb for java runtime environment?
[11:41] <knucks> still says NTFS on it
[11:41] <knucks> whyyyyyyyy
[11:41] <drspin> bob_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:41] <Chipzz> did you change partition type?
[11:41] <WillCooke> bob, I think there's a howto on the wiki or forumes
[11:41] <knucks> Chipzz: how?
[11:41] <Chipzz> fdisk
[11:41] <knucks> well yeah..
[11:41] <njs12345> bob_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[11:41] <knucks> but how
[11:42] <Chipzz> t
[11:42] <knucks> im not getting ya
[11:42] <lunitik> knucks: 'cfdisk' might be easier for you
[11:42] <Chipzz> use the t command in fdisk
[11:42] <knucks> lunitik: cfdisk didnt work for me
[11:42] <ompaul> sabdfl, I have a non production warty box here, I could  bring it to hoary tonight but I might get killed, (its my wifes) if it did not work in the morning, I will do an update on it after she uses it in the morning, when hoary comes out I might consider this particular box for hoary
[11:43] <sabdfl> ompaul: best wait till release if it's life-threatening
[11:43] <drspin> for the merillat repos should I use stable, testing or unstable?
[11:43] <ompaul> only on a sunday morning family on multiple contents get together on irc
[11:43] <lunitik> knucks: 'sudo cfdisk'
[11:44] <knucks> lunitik: doesnt work. i get FATAL ERROR
[11:44] <bob_> thanks! :)
[11:44] <njs12345> I've been thinking about getting a webcam
[11:44] <lunitik> knucks: uhh... oh
[11:44] <njs12345> anyone able to recommend one that works well with both win&linux?
[11:44] <WillCooke> drspin, which version of ubuntu are you running?  Hoary?
[11:44] <drspin> WillCooke: si
[11:44] <drspin> WillCooke: Spanish for "yes"
[11:44] <WillCooke> drspin, unstable
[11:44] <drspin> WillCooke: thanks
[11:45] <ompaul> knucks did you start with fdisk to delete the partition, create a new one and then format it?
[11:45] <knucks> no one is telling me how to do any of that
[11:45] <knucks> take me step by step please
[11:45] <knucks> partition name is /dev/hdc5
[11:45] <tck> join #knucks to help him people
[11:46] <ompaul> knucks, if you want msg me and I will talk you through it
[11:46] <lunitik> tck: new devel? you seem to like being 'in control'  ;)
[11:46] <tims> where's glib-config? The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[11:46] <tck> lunitik, nope lol..
[11:46] <Echy|Zzz> gnight all
[11:46] <InitMass> hi all, how do i set fluxbox as my default enviroment or make it possible to select it in gdm??
[11:46] <tck> hes been having problems for the last hour, so i think he'll get better help if we join knucks
[11:47] <Loiosh> brb, gunna try new stuff, ompaul =)
[11:47] <ompaul> Loiosh,  have fun
[11:47] <Loiosh> Hopefully I can get around this SCSI issue, it's really killing me that I cannot even install Ubuntu, heh
[11:47] <soren9580> njs12345, what should i do about the awk not working?
[11:48] <lunitik> soren9580: you could try installing gawk instead of mawk and try again...
[11:48] <lunitik> unlikely it has the same bug
[11:48] <soren9580> i got it to work
[11:48] <soren9580> i had to change it to print $8
[11:49] <njs12345> that's strange
[11:49] <njs12345> does the dirname have a space in it?
[11:51] <soren9580> no
[11:51] <soren9580> this is the output drwxr-xr-x    5 nicholsc nicholsc     4096 Mar  4 22:46 BitTorrent
[11:51] <soren9580> without grep
[11:51] <soren9580> i mean awk
[11:51] <aurax> anyone here uses 915G chipset of intel on linux ?
[11:52] <soren9580> now, i've got the current date, i've got the date of the file
[11:52] <soren9580> how do i compare the two in a bash script
[11:52] <soren9580> and how do i do so for multiple files?
[11:55] <drspin> whoa - flood...
[11:55] <woodywarty> Hi all
[11:55] <woodywarty> Hey can somebody help me with this gnome-vfs thing
[11:55] <woodywarty> I can't access my Local Area Network
[11:55] <ompaul> sabdfl, to your knowledge has anyone written a move from a debian desktop to ubuntu FAQ?
[11:56] <sabdfl> ompaul: no
[11:56] <woodywarty> Do I have to install Samba to access my LAN
[11:56] <ompaul> hmm
[11:56] <sabdfl> depends so much on which debian
[11:56] <Loiosh> Yeah, no luck
[11:56] <sabdfl> woody to warty was relatively easy
[11:56] <sabdfl> don't know about woody to hoary
[11:56] <Loiosh> It freezes on: SCSI Subsystem initialized
[11:56] <Loiosh> It's a hard freeze. I have to actually reset / power off the computer. THe keyboard is fully lucked
[11:56] <woodywarty> So what's wrong with my Gnome-vfs thing
[11:56] <sabdfl> and with sarge, if you last updated more than two months ago it should be easy too
[11:56] <Loiosh> locked
[11:57] <soren9580> so how do i make a bash script iterate through a directory and check each file?
[11:57] <GoneBoB> soren9580: for i in *; dostuff $i; done
[11:57] <Ambersand> Hi. I'm trying to boot my ubuntu (warty) cd and my computer reboots after I get the message "uncompressing linux"
[11:57] <GoneBoB> sorry let me fix that
[11:57] <GoneBoB> soren9580: for i in *; do stuff $i; done
[11:57] <GoneBoB> where 'stuff' is your command
[11:57] <Ambersand> I've tried giving the noacpi and nolacpi parameters but it hasn't helped.
[11:58] <aurax> does ubuntu works well with this audio card :
[11:58] <aurax> 	Intel High Definition Audio subsystem using the Realtek ALC860 audio codec.
[11:58] <blizah> so how do i add the repository for mplayer?
[11:58] <blizah> im in repositories under synapitc...
[11:58] <aurax> or this mobo : http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/av/index.htm
[11:58] <mcphail> soren9580: missed the start of the question. Does the 'find' command do what you require?
[11:58] <soren9580> hrm
[11:59] <soren9580> mcphail, are you in college?
[11:59] <cwillu> so, on the assumption that my problems might be rooted in power management, how does one disable such things?
[11:59] <soren9580> i know someone by that name at my school
[11:59] <mcphail> soren9580: no...
[11:59] <soren9580> ok, just thought i'd ask
[11:59] <mcphail> ok
[12:00] <soren9580> there's a guy at my school who's really into computers, and i thought you might be him