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| === lamont wonders when x0rg will quit asking those damn questions | ||
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| lamont | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): | 12:30 |
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| lamont | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png', which is also in package gnome-panel-data | 12:30 |
| lamont | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) | 12:30 |
| === lamont grumbles | ||
| zul | there there....there there | 12:31 |
| zul | ooh...braveheart and a bugs life is on tv tonight | 12:31 |
| lamont | zul: which to watch. which to watch. | 12:31 |
| zul | both of course | 12:32 |
| zul | the movies are one after the other | 12:32 |
| lamont | ah, not simulcast, or you have DVR technology? | 12:32 |
| lamont | ah, much better | 12:32 |
| zul | nah...im too cheap | 12:32 |
| === lamont has TiVo technology - way cool | ||
| zul | we cant get tivo in canada..we can go only get tivo like technology from either the cable company or the phone company | 12:34 |
| lamont | feh | 12:42 |
| GoneBoB | heh | 12:45 |
| GoneBoB | that technology is in a massive not-giong-anywhere-omg-legal-ramifications debacle here | 12:46 |
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| mdke | i've tried #ubuntu, and they can't help me. is anyone willing to help me out for a few minutes? i can't log into gnome (hoary) | 12:54 |
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| AndyR | hi all | 12:55 |
| AndyR | has anyone seen this on hoary? usb 1-1: device not accepting address 11, error -110 | 12:55 |
| lamont | seb128: you around? | 12:59 |
| seb128 | yep | 12:59 |
| mdke | this sucks. I can't log into gnome because of weird permissions in my ~/. I can't change the permissions of my home directory, and when I create a new user it can't add a user to the home directory. | 01:00 |
| lamont | gnome-icon-theme replaces: gnome-panel-data? (/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png)? | 01:00 |
| seb128 | lamont: just fixed it by an upload like 20s ago | 01:00 |
| lamont | gnome-panel 2.9.3-0ubuntu1 was the old gnome-panel-data | 01:01 |
| lamont | cool | 01:01 |
| lamont | it would help if my daughter actually had RAM in her computer... :0) | 01:01 |
| lamont | seb128: just wanted to make sure it wasn't sliding through the cracks. | 01:01 |
| seb128 | :) | 01:01 |
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| mdke | is anyone able to help me? perhaps this is a known issue? | 01:03 |
| lamont | mdke: that's a #ubuntu question | 01:03 |
| lamont | and without a bunch more info, no clue what you need to fix | 01:04 |
| mdke | they have not been able to help me | 01:04 |
| mdke | i tried :( | 01:04 |
| mdke | i was wondering if this was a known issue in hoary atm | 01:05 |
| seb128 | is your partition mounted in ro ? | 01:05 |
| seb128 | no | 01:05 |
| mdke | seb128, yes that appears to be the problem | 01:05 |
| mdke | errors=remount-ro | 01:06 |
| seb128 | have you tried to reboot the box ? | 01:06 |
| mdke | seb128, yeah :( | 01:06 |
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| zenwhen | i am trying to upgrade from array 4 to array 6 | 01:07 |
| zenwhen | i get this error | 01:07 |
| seb128 | (g-i-t/panel ?) | 01:07 |
| mdke | ? | 01:08 |
| seb128 | mdke: what ? | 01:08 |
| mdke | seb128, i wondered if what you said was aimed at me and i didn't understand it | 01:08 |
| seb128 | nop | 01:08 |
| zenwhen | unable ot overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run, which is also in package gnome-pnael-data | 01:08 |
| seb128 | speaking about this msg :p | 01:09 |
| seb128 | gnome-icon-theme/gnome-panel conflict | 01:09 |
| zenwhen | What should I do | 01:09 |
| seb128 | zenwhen: sudo apt-get -f install | 01:09 |
| lamont | zenwhen: or install gnome-panel until it makes it, and then dist-upgrade again... | 01:20 |
| lamont | seb128: how much of the libhowl elimination was you spacing out the uploads to let things build before their build-depending packages built? | 01:20 |
| seb128 | time to get them available by apt on archive.u.c on my box | 01:21 |
| seb128 | why ? | 01:22 |
| lamont | seb128: because sparc and hppa may have some challenges, then, I expect... | 01:23 |
| lamont | not a big deal, more just curious | 01:23 |
| seb128 | k | 01:23 |
| seb128 | BTW I need to fix gnomedb for gnumeric | 01:23 |
| seb128 | will do tomorrow | 01:23 |
| lamont | that is, if timing was part of it, then that explains those issues... | 01:23 |
| lamont | (hppa currently has a libgnomeui build that fails because howl isn't there... | 01:23 |
| seb128 | yeah, just keep kicking build to sort that :p | 01:23 |
| lamont | there's nothing under it that I can see that needs it - gonna have to actually debug it I fear. :-) | 01:24 |
| seb128 | I wonder if updating the Build-Depends is a better solution | 01:24 |
| zenwhen | ok | 01:24 |
| zenwhen | I am running array six now | 01:24 |
| seb128 | based on the update speed I've picked that option | 01:24 |
| seb128 | I don't like to change the Build-Depends that much for this reason | 01:24 |
| lamont | yeah - not a big issues | 01:24 |
| zenwhen | does grub seem a lot slower to anyone else? | 01:24 |
| lamont | seb128: my mirror is also generally struggling to keep up, so that could be it too... | 01:25 |
| seb128 | lamont: libgnomeui needs libgnome (2.9.1-0ubuntu2), libbonoboui (2.8.1-1ubuntu1) | 01:29 |
| lamont | Unpacking libgnome2-dev (from .../libgnome2-dev_2.9.2-0ubuntu1_hppa.deb) ... | 01:32 |
| lamont | Unpacking libbonoboui2-dev (from .../libbonoboui2-dev_2.8.1-1ubuntu1_hppa.deb) | 01:32 |
| lamont | libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libhowl.la' is not a valid libtool archive | 01:32 |
| lamont | hence my grumbling to myself | 01:33 |
| seb128 | grep howl /usr/lib/*.la ? | 01:36 |
| lamont | yeah - installing build-deps now | 01:36 |
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| zenwhen | new linux users are going to be 500% more impressed with hoary than they were with warty | 01:37 |
| zul | thanks | 01:37 |
| lamont | grep -l libhowl /usr/lib/* | 01:37 |
| lamont | /usr/lib/libbonoboui-2.la | 01:37 |
| zenwhen | so much has happened between array 4 and array 6 | 01:37 |
| zenwhen | little things | 01:37 |
| lamont | seb128: which is to say that libbonoboui got built too soon... | 01:37 |
| === lamont brutalizes it | ||
| zenwhen | is gnome enu editing going to be fixed soon? | 01:38 |
| zenwhen | menu* | 01:38 |
| seb128 | not sure, we'll probably put a menu editor in universe for hoary | 01:39 |
| jdub | in gnome itself, it definitely won't be fixed for hoary | 01:39 |
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| thierry | hi, I'd like to try to fix ubuntu bug 4724 but I don't know where to take the source... can anyone tell me? | 01:40 |
| seb128 | apt-get source mozilla-firefox ? | 01:40 |
| thierry | seb128, and where will this go? | 01:40 |
| seb128 | in your current directory | 01:41 |
| thierry | ok thanks | 01:41 |
| seb128 | np | 01:41 |
| srbaker | anyone install from today's image? | 01:43 |
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| sabdfl | night all | 01:43 |
| lamont | seb128: fwiw, glibm2.4, gst-plugins0.8, and gtkmm2.4 all have non-PIC in shared libaries now... | 01:43 |
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| seb128 | lamont: ftbfs ? | 01:44 |
| lamont | checking that now - I believe amd64 will bitch | 01:44 |
| lamont | interesting. | 01:44 |
| seb128 | how have you noticed that ? | 01:45 |
| lamont | hppa | 01:45 |
| seb128 | that surprising | 01:45 |
| lamont | which is also doing -Wl,--as-needed... /me turns that back off | 01:45 |
| srbaker | what partition tools exist that let me resize existing partitions. anyone? | 01:45 |
| lamont | seb128: forget I said anything about those 3 | 01:46 |
| seb128 | that's due to -Wl,--as-needed ? | 01:47 |
| lamont | dunno yet, but there aren't failures for amd64 or ia64, and I know ia64 would bitch | 01:47 |
| seb128 | k | 01:47 |
| lamont | config changed, given back, we'll see how they do. But I need to take a youngster shopping | 01:47 |
| daniels | lamont: sup? | 01:50 |
| zenwhen | should gnome "feel" slower now than it did in array 4? | 01:51 |
| lamont | daniels: either I was bitching about xorg asking config questions over and over, or was going to comment on the PSC1315 issue | 01:51 |
| seb128 | no | 01:51 |
| zenwhen | well everything is drawing a bit slower. firefox scrolls choppier. | 01:51 |
| zenwhen | stuff like that | 01:52 |
| daniels | lamont: heh :) | 01:52 |
| seb128 | jdub: do you know what component handles the dynamic menu shortcuts ? gtk ? | 01:52 |
| jdub | yeah | 01:52 |
| lamont | daniels: I found a gross hack that will let my wife use her psc1315, you see.. | 01:52 |
| seb128 | jdub: is that supposed to be kept ? | 01:52 |
| lamont | comment in the bug | 01:52 |
| seb128 | jdub: ie, if you restart the app | 01:52 |
| jdub | seb128: hrm... | 01:53 |
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| seb128 | (because it doesn't) | 01:53 |
| jdub | seb128: and now there's a public preference for it... ;) | 01:54 |
| jdub | seb128: maybe ask one of the gtk dudes, i don't know if it's supposed since 1.x | 01:55 |
| seb128 | k, thanks | 01:55 |
| daniels | lamont: oh? | 01:55 |
| lamont | yeah... anytime xane isn't running, and ptal-mlcd is, you stop/start hpoj. do that in a cronjob every 10 minutes and you get printing again.. :) | 01:56 |
| seb128 | if anybody wants to debug the gossip ftbfs he's welcome | 01:56 |
| zenwhen | My rendering slowness went away by disabling nvidia's renderaccell. | 01:57 |
| seb128 | gossip has not changed dunno why it doesn't like XScreenSaver | 01:57 |
| zenwhen | perhaps the new packages dont play well with it | 01:57 |
| lamont | the strange thing is that it claims to find it, and in the next line claims that it couldn't. | 01:58 |
| seb128 | yeah | 01:58 |
| lamont | lets blame autocrap? | 01:58 |
| seb128 | seems to be an autofoo issue | 01:58 |
| seb128 | yep | 01:58 |
| lamont | Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/cupsys ... | 02:00 |
| lamont | Hmm, cupsys won't stop... I wait 5 seconds... | 02:00 |
| lamont | Retrying to stop... | 02:00 |
| lamont | * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd [ ok ] | 02:00 |
| === lamont screams | ||
| lamont | otoh, it did actually stop | 02:01 |
| lamont | just not quickly enough | 02:01 |
| seb128 | do we care about 386 support ? | 02:04 |
| elmo | no | 02:06 |
| elmo | our gcc compiles 486 code | 02:06 |
| seb128 | k, thanks, what I was thinking | 02:07 |
| lamont | wow. -Wl,--as-needed b0rkage. bad jdub | 02:09 |
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| jdub | ooh, you found breakage? | 02:09 |
| lamont | yeah. glibmm2.4 is ftbfs (non-PIC in shared lib) with that, builds fine without | 02:11 |
| lamont | ditto two others, see above | 02:11 |
| lamont | well, I expect.. | 02:11 |
| jdub | nice! | 02:11 |
| lamont | happy to send you both logs, if you want them. admittedly, they're from hppa.... :) | 02:11 |
| jdub | haha | 02:11 |
| daniels | lamont: blegh | 02:11 |
| daniels | zenwhen: yeah, my current thinking is that render is broken | 02:11 |
| lamont | daniels: I _SAID_ it was a gross hack... | 02:11 |
| daniels | i just don't know HOW | 02:11 |
| seb128 | and jdub was trying to push the pkg-gnome guys to use that now | 02:12 |
| seb128 | bad jdub :) | 02:12 |
| jdub | i was trying to convince them not to :) | 02:12 |
| jdub | "don't do it by default" | 02:12 |
| jdub | ^ very important point :) | 02:12 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 02:12 |
| jdub | one mention and suddenly they're all talking about "fixing" cdbs to use it | 02:12 |
| jdub | finding breakage is good though | 02:13 |
| lamont | seb128: for that matter, debian's gcc compiles 486 code | 02:13 |
| seb128 | if that's how we fix bug I'm curious to know how we break stuff :p | 02:13 |
| seb128 | lamont: k | 02:13 |
| jdub | crazy debian kids :) | 02:13 |
| lamont | back in a while | 02:13 |
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| jbailey | jdub: I already said for it in general. Offered it to sb for the Gnome module and he said no. Open and closed, nice and easy... | 02:14 |
| jbailey | already said no, that is. | 02:14 |
| jdub | yeah, this was about discussion before that | 02:15 |
| elmo | lamont: no it doesn't; it's libstdc++ uses a 486 locking instruction - it doesn't force 486 for everything tho, like we do | 02:18 |
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| elmo | </pedant> | 02:18 |
| seb128 | is somebody using an http proxy and evolution webcal stuff ? | 02:20 |
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| daniels | seb128: you're just an apt-get install squid away from having it yourself ;) | 02:22 |
| seb128 | yeah, but I'm lazy :p | 02:23 |
| seb128 | daniels: BTW what's the standard way to know that xorg crashed ? | 02:23 |
| seb128 | daniels: #7183, the guy has bugged on gdm but I guess that's an xorg crash | 02:23 |
| daniels | seb128: segfaults are typically recorded in Xorg.0.log | 02:23 |
| daniels | seb128: if it went down really, really, really hard, gdm will usually record it | 02:24 |
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| seb128 | daniels: k, I'll ask if he has something in the gdm logs | 02:24 |
| sivang | seb128: awake so late? | 02:24 |
| seb128 | no, I'm sleeping | 02:25 |
| sivang | seb128: hehe , so you're IRCing in your sleep then :) | 02:25 |
| seb128 | some people talk while they sleep, I reply to bugzilla bugs for my part | 02:25 |
| daniels | seb128: already asked | 02:25 |
| sivang | seb128: lol, well, if you like uploading packages as well let me know :) | 02:26 |
| seb128 | daniels: thanks | 02:26 |
| seb128 | sivang: nop, just doing some bug cleanup, I keep the real work for tomorrow :) | 02:26 |
| sivang | seb128: ok my freind, well, laterz then - I will also head for bed :) | 02:27 |
| ogra | hmm, esc should be disabled in pw dialog....tsts | 02:28 |
| seb128 | ogra: it should not be counted as a char for the password :) | 02:29 |
| ogra | hmm, but then we also should disable every non PW char ..... | 02:29 |
| ogra | F keys.... special chars | 02:30 |
| seb128 | right | 02:30 |
| seb128 | but some people hit esc to clear something | 02:30 |
| ogra | i know...but thats the default behavior of this pw dialog, i didnt touch anything in this area.... | 02:31 |
| seb128 | gksudo does that fine | 02:31 |
| seb128 | grab the code | 02:31 |
| seb128 | jdub: you don't use an http proxy by any chance ? :p | 02:32 |
| jdub | i do | 02:32 |
| ogra | i'll have to write a patch anyway for the finetuning before release... i'll look at it... | 02:32 |
| jdub | being on the other end of two tin cans and a piece of string from you | 02:32 |
| seb128 | ah ah ah | 02:32 |
| seb128 | jdub: adding a webcal:// in the calendar works fine with a proxy ? | 02:33 |
| === ogra slaps the string... | ||
| jdub | one sec | 02:33 |
| seb128 | jdub: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7212 ... in fact evolution and eds just crash if you set a proxy without having one | 02:33 |
| seb128 | but dunno if you have one :) | 02:33 |
| jdub | well, evo just dies in the arse on startup atm | 02:33 |
| seb128 | utch | 02:34 |
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| seb128 | how nice, they have just changed the context menu in 2.1.6 this week | 02:34 |
| seb128 | and they have dropped the "mark as read/..." options | 02:35 |
| jdub | http://rafb.net/paste/results/WCWThy30.html | 02:36 |
| seb128 | with a working proxy ? | 02:36 |
| seb128 | nice, I get the same with the IP of a non-proxy box as proxy | 02:37 |
| jdub | this is on startup | 02:37 |
| seb128 | thanks | 02:37 |
| jdub | eds crashes, then evo crashes | 02:37 |
| jdub | i have webcal stuff | 02:37 |
| jdub | and it's opening the calendar at startup | 02:37 |
| seb128 | and if you don't use a proxy ? | 02:37 |
| seb128 | I guess that fixes the issue | 02:37 |
| jdub | heh | 02:37 |
| jdub | suck :) | 02:37 |
| jdub | no crash | 02:37 |
| seb128 | yep, that's it | 02:37 |
| seb128 | thanks :) | 02:38 |
| jdub | oh | 02:39 |
| jdub | found another nice calendar bug | 02:39 |
| jdub | if you assign a colour to Personal, a new calendar is created | 02:40 |
| jdub | restart, and you have two Personal calendars | 02:40 |
| jdub | the real one still doesn't have a colour ;) | 02:40 |
| seb128 | I don't get this one | 02:41 |
| seb128 | my default calendar has a color | 02:41 |
| seb128 | and I can change it | 02:41 |
| ogra | works fine here | 02:42 |
| seb128 | proxy or color ? | 02:43 |
| ogra | color | 02:43 |
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| srbaker | anyone here know if i can get the extended life battery for the X20 ? | 03:31 |
| srbaker | or is it only the X40? | 03:31 |
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| Benoni | Where would I find the Kerberos 5 command line tools (e.g. "kinit") for Ubuntu Hoary? | 03:40 |
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| Benoni | Question withdrawn: #ubuntu folks pointed me at the "universe" repository. | 03:57 |
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| wasabi | http://www.martianrock.com/ | 04:25 |
| thierry | I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I don't know where to make the changes in the firefox source... any ideas? | 04:57 |
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| pvh | I recently updated Hoary and I noticed there was some gui integration of power management mentioned in a config file, but I have not seen any evidence of it in Ubuntu itself. | 06:14 |
| wasabi | i just upgraded and noticed my laptop has a suspect feature in the logoff screen | 06:14 |
| wasabi | scared to try it. ;) | 06:15 |
| === wasabi gives it a go! | ||
| pvh | wasabi: Bye! | 06:15 |
| wasabi | wow, it went to sleep, | 06:15 |
| wasabi | <---- over there | 06:15 |
| pvh | wasabi: Hmm. I wonder why mine didn't show up. | 06:15 |
| wasabi | but that's nothing new | 06:15 |
| wasabi | the real question is can it wake up | 06:15 |
| pvh | wasabi: Did you sleep or hibernate? | 06:16 |
| wasabi | suspend. | 06:16 |
| wasabi | no idea | 06:16 |
| pvh | I can suspend as long as my wireless card isn't in the machine. | 06:16 |
| wasabi | it's not waking up. it looks turned off now. | 06:16 |
| wasabi | but the power button doesn't work | 06:16 |
| pvh | Huh. | 06:16 |
| wasabi | naw, caps lock light works. | 06:16 |
| pvh | Oh! | 06:16 |
| wasabi | it's just not waking up | 06:16 |
| pvh | Move your mouse? | 06:17 |
| wasabi | not even responding to pings | 06:17 |
| pvh | Did it suspend fully? | 06:17 |
| wasabi | yeah. it did. | 06:17 |
| wasabi | then I tried to wake it | 06:17 |
| wasabi | It hasn't been able to wake up since I used some guys custom kernel a year ago | 06:17 |
| pvh | What kind of laptop? | 06:17 |
| wasabi | iBook2 | 06:18 |
| pvh | Ah, beyond my ken. | 06:18 |
| jdub | pvh: log out dialogue | 06:20 |
| lamont | elmo: see the changelog for gcc-3.3_1:3.3.2ds0-0pre0: | 06:21 |
| lamont | * Change ix86 default CPU type for code generation: | 06:21 |
| lamont | - i386-linux -> i486-linux | 06:21 |
| lamont | </pedant> | 06:21 |
| pvh | jdub: Yes, it's not in there. | 06:21 |
| jdub | pvh: you probably haven't restarted gnome-session since upgrading | 06:21 |
| lamont | elmo: 12 Aug 2003 | 06:21 |
| pvh | jdub: I have, many times. :) | 06:21 |
| jdub | check /etc/default/acpi-support settings | 06:22 |
| pvh | jdub: Okay, any specific file? | 06:22 |
| jdub | that's pretty specific already | 06:22 |
| pvh | Er, sorry, any specific setting .:) | 06:22 |
| jdub | delve, discover, experiment | 06:23 |
| jdub | check the patch | 06:23 |
| jdub | etc. | 06:23 |
| pvh | jdub: I'm quite familiar with the laptop settings. | 06:23 |
| pvh | jdub: I've been using the command-line to do everything for a couple months now. | 06:24 |
| pvh | jdub: I was hoping you would be referring to some line in acpi-support which I didn't have. | 06:24 |
| pvh | jdub: "like ENABLE_LOGOUT_MENU or such" | 06:24 |
| pvh | alas. | 06:24 |
| lamont | cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.10-3-k7 | 06:30 |
| lamont | cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. | 06:30 |
| lamont | cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. | 06:30 |
| lamont | WTH? | 06:30 |
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| Amaranth | jdub: What's up with #twisted? :) | 07:22 |
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| sivang | morning | 08:52 |
| crimsun | morning :-) | 08:52 |
| sivang | hey crimsun | 08:52 |
| crimsun | 'lo sivang | 08:53 |
| sivang | crimsun: what's up? working on kubuntu? | 08:53 |
| crimsun | actually extracting some patches from beep-media-player's release_0_9_7_1 branch | 08:53 |
| crimsun | yourself? | 08:54 |
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| sivang | crimsun: just woke up, after about 3 hours of sleep, couldn't continue sleeping though :) | 08:56 |
| sivang | crimsun: oh goody, I will test them, I wanted to get beep since I first saw it over a freind's house 2 days ago :) | 08:56 |
| crimsun | sivang: sunlight too bright? ;-) | 08:56 |
| sivang | crimsun: hehe, not even that. you know, it happens sometime, doubts, thoughts, fears for the future - they can sometime keep you up :) | 08:57 |
| crimsun | sivang: true :-) | 08:57 |
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| sid77 | hi | 08:59 |
| crimsun | 'lo | 08:59 |
| sid77 | >_< | 09:00 |
| sivang | hey dilinger | 09:01 |
| sivang | oops | 09:01 |
| sivang | hey sid77 | 09:01 |
| sid77 | yup | 09:01 |
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| Kamion | jdub: for future reference, the answer to pvh's PM question was that he needs to set RESUME= in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and regenerate the initrd | 10:10 |
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| tp__ | anybody know any wireless dropping not able to reconnect problems with hoary (ibm t42, new install) | 12:12 |
| GheRivero | res people | 12:12 |
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| tp__ | is daniels there | 12:39 |
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| sabdfl | tp__: do you have netapplet installed? | 12:41 |
| sabdfl | hey rubenv | 12:41 |
| tp__ | doesn't look like it | 12:41 |
| sivang | hey sabdfl | 12:42 |
| sabdfl | sivang! | 12:42 |
| tp__ | sabdfl: just rebooting the laptop so I can get my network back. :-) | 12:43 |
| sivang | sabdfl: Yes Mark, Did I do anything wrong? :-) | 12:43 |
| sivang | sabdfl: finished burning daily live, will give it a couple of runs now :) | 12:43 |
| rubenv | sabdfl: goodmorning | 12:43 |
| sabdfl | not afaik, except maybe forgetting to enjoy the sunshine on a sunday. i'm in london, there is no sunshine, that's my excuse | 12:44 |
| sabdfl | rubenv: i've been hacking on the bounty tracker this weekend | 12:44 |
| tp__ | sabdfl: sunny in leeds here but inside working :-( | 12:44 |
| rubenv | sabdfl: is it running on the dogfood thing? | 12:44 |
| sabdfl | now allows for subscriptions to bounties, so people can keep up to date with a bounty | 12:45 |
| rubenv | sabdfl: i've been thinking about interface details, perhaps I should write em down | 12:45 |
| sabdfl | also, beginnings of ability to link a bounty to projects, products or distros | 12:45 |
| sabdfl | subscriptions don't actually do anything, but in future will have email notifications | 12:45 |
| rubenv | sabdfl: excellent, tracking is what makes bugzilla kick arse, it's definitely something needed in bounties | 12:45 |
| sivang | sabdfl: oh well, not that sunny here currently, it's getting couldy, the short term summer we've had is ending as it seems :) | 12:45 |
| tp__ | sabdfl: yes I do have netapplet installed | 12:46 |
| rubenv | it's sunny here, but the pool is still frozen, i'd rather not go outside now ;-) | 12:46 |
| sabdfl | tp__: it's crackful, remove it from your panel | 12:46 |
| tp__ | ok cheers!! | 12:46 |
| sivang | rubenv: you in .au right? | 12:46 |
| sabdfl | see if that helps | 12:46 |
| rubenv | sivang: .be | 12:46 |
| tp__ | sabdfl: I'll send some of my sunshine down if it works ;-) | 12:47 |
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| sivang | rubenv: oh, EU right? | 12:47 |
| sivang | seb128: Bon Jour :) | 12:47 |
| rubenv | wish i was in .au, then i could go to ubuntu down under (well, if university stops bugging me :)) | 12:47 |
| rubenv | sivang: belgium, a neighbour country of germany :-) | 12:47 |
| seb128 | afternoon | 12:48 |
| sivang | rubenv: I just wasn't sure about .be being belguim, but I know where it is :) | 12:48 |
| rubenv | sabdfl: I really wish I had the time to poke around with zope, stupid university | 12:48 |
| rubenv | well, not stupid, important but annoying :-) | 12:48 |
| sivang | sabdfl: is the bounties tracker already available from the launchpad domain? | 12:48 |
| rubenv | sabdfl: we'll also need to find a way to insert mockups etc, like gnome does, I really like those | 12:50 |
| rubenv | sabdfl: starting to look very neat | 12:51 |
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| sivang | seb128: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/g-c-m/ :-) | 12:52 |
| sivang | sabdfl: are we going to support KDE in rosetta also? (thinking of launchpad integration into the desktop implications) | 12:54 |
| opi | I think Rosetta is needed also for KDE | 12:55 |
| daniels | sivang: i believe so, yes | 12:55 |
| daniels | given it's in main and all ;) | 12:55 |
| Riddell | what's the advantage of rosetta? KDE is already translated into oodles of langauges? | 12:56 |
| opi | Riddell, some projects aren't :) | 12:56 |
| opi | Riddell, it won't hurt to have something for a quick help | 12:56 |
| opi | Riddell, and this translation will be commited upstream, so project authors will be happy :-) | 12:57 |
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| daniels | Riddell: mainly just having a central co-ordination prospect. even assuming the world is kde, it means you don't need an account for kde, all of the external kde apps, d-bus, gstreamer, etc, etc. | 12:58 |
| tp__ | daniels: do you mind if I ask about your x40 package. Have people provided feedback on whether it works for t42? | 12:58 |
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| daniels | tp__: sure -- dunno, should just work out of the box without my packages | 01:02 |
| tp__ | tp__: thanks.. it's the suspend to disk I'm looking at.. I'll play some more to see where I can get :-) | 01:03 |
| tp__ | daniels: ermm.. :-) | 01:03 |
| daniels | dunno about StD, to be honest | 01:04 |
| daniels | never used it | 01:04 |
| tp__ | daniels: do you just power off? or suspend to ram? | 01:05 |
| daniels | tp__: str has always worked fine for me | 01:05 |
| tp__ | daniels: thanks again | 01:06 |
| sivang | daniels: that's what I feard :) oh well, hard work is good for you. | 01:18 |
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| psy__ | hi carlos | 01:30 |
| carlos | hi | 01:30 |
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| abelli | could someone explain me differences between abiword, abiword-common, abiword-gnome? | 01:52 |
| jdub | abiword-common is used by both | 01:53 |
| jdub | abiword-gnome is built against gnome libs | 01:53 |
| abelli | mmm... ahh right so the difference is in the "GTK2", and "GTK2/GNOME2" | 01:54 |
| abelli | jdub: thank you | 01:54 |
| abelli | ;) | 01:54 |
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| zul | jdub: ping | 02:42 |
| zenwhen | sup | 02:42 |
| zul | not much you? | 02:42 |
| zenwhen | Guys, I am pretty sure that pango is slow as crap in hoary right now. I can't be dreaming this. | 02:43 |
| zenwhen | My system feels like its a 300Mhz celeron with 128MB of ram when i switch tabs in firefox or xchat. | 02:43 |
| zenwhen | Rendering is slow as crap. | 02:44 |
| zenwhen | Thats whats up wiht me. :P | 02:44 |
| nasdaq | 300mhz celeron | 02:44 |
| zenwhen | with* | 02:44 |
| nasdaq | those were good days | 02:44 |
| zenwhen | my fingers are dyslexic | 02:44 |
| zenwhen | lol | 02:44 |
| zenwhen | not when you are really running a 3Ghz P4 | 02:44 |
| nasdaq | i was 10 years younger | 02:44 |
| zenwhen | :( | 02:44 |
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| zul | oh yeah...inotify 0.20 is working on my system if anyone is keeping out with it | 02:52 |
| seb128 | there is a kernel with it in the archive ? | 02:54 |
| zul | not yet | 02:56 |
| zul | im still testing it i can make it available if you want | 02:56 |
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| seb128 | not now, but thanks | 03:01 |
| zul | ok ill wait for tseng then | 03:01 |
| zul | it hasnt crashed on me yet though | 03:01 |
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| jlj | anyone with a US credit card feel like testing pymusique? http://fuware.nanocrew.net/pymusique/ | 03:02 |
| nasdaq | HEHE | 03:03 |
| tseng | hi zul | 03:06 |
| zul | inotify 0.20 is ready for you to test | 03:07 |
| tseng | i see, thank you | 03:07 |
| tseng | have you tried mounting/unmounting usb drives? | 03:07 |
| zul | yeah no problems for me no oopses or anything | 03:07 |
| thierry | hi, I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I can't find where to fix it in the firefox source... anyone can help me? | 03:08 |
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| tseng | zul: i cant automount my ipod | 03:24 |
| zul | crap. whats wrong? | 03:24 |
| tseng | dunno yet | 03:24 |
| tseng | ill look for it in hal | 03:24 |
| tseng | actually hal-device-manager looks to be missing most things | 03:25 |
| zul | you did inotify at boot? | 03:26 |
| tseng | restarting hal fixed, maybe not related | 03:26 |
| tseng | yeah. | 03:26 |
| zul | and you got the following inotify device minor=63? | 03:27 |
| tseng | I can unmount and eject w/ no oops | 03:27 |
| tseng | yes | 03:27 |
| zul | ok | 03:27 |
| tseng | could just be a random hal thing | 03:27 |
| zul | good | 03:27 |
| zul | and gamin should be working like it usually does | 03:28 |
| tseng | almost | 03:28 |
| tseng | inotify backend still has the /media polling issue | 03:28 |
| zul | almost? | 03:28 |
| zul | ah | 03:28 |
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| zul | ill be around later though | 03:30 |
| tseng | bye. | 03:30 |
| zul | have to go do errands | 03:30 |
| thierry | hi, I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I can't find where to fix it in the firefox source... anyone can help me? | 03:33 |
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| zenwhen | 7MB faq :/ | 03:52 |
| zenwhen | this is going to make upgrading hoary a pain | 03:53 |
| zenwhen | on dialup | 03:53 |
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| psy__ | thierry: where are the bug-reports? | 03:55 |
| psy__ | nm, found it | 03:56 |
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| Q-FUNK | hi! where does this meeting take place? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 04:10 |
| ogra | Q-FUNK: in #ubuntu-meeting | 04:12 |
| ogra | but the agenda is totally outdated.....thets the one from the last meeting | 04:13 |
| Q-FUNK | orgo, thanks | 04:13 |
| ogra | s/thets/thats | 04:13 |
| Q-FUNK | well... I just added myself to the agenda. | 04:13 |
| ogra | MartinEricRacine ? | 04:13 |
| Q-FUNK | ogra: I'll let you update the agenda then. :) | 04:14 |
| Q-FUNK | yup | 04:14 |
| ogra | its a mako job....i'll tell him that your entry should stay | 04:14 |
| Q-FUNK | ogra: ok, thanks :) | 04:14 |
| Q-FUNK | is the march 8th date and time still good, though? | 04:14 |
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| ogra | yup | 04:15 |
| Q-FUNK | good. | 04:15 |
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| ogra | Q-FUNK: btw, are you going for MOTU ? | 04:20 |
| Q-FUNK | ogra: I'll be happy enough just maintaining my existing Debian packages and uploading them directly to Ubuntu also. | 04:22 |
| Q-FUNK | ogra: but sure, why not. ;) | 04:22 |
| ogra | Q-FUNK: so feel invited to #ubuntu-motu then ;) | 04:22 |
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| pitti | Hi | 04:34 |
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| abelli | pitti: bon hour | 04:35 |
| abelli | ..bon jour | 04:35 |
| ogra | hi pitti | 04:35 |
| pitti | Hi abelli, hi ogra | 04:35 |
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| pitti | heaps and heaps of snow here :-) | 04:35 |
| === abelli is not able to | ||
| ogra | yup, here too | 04:36 |
| pitti | abelli: you should learn it, it's fun | 04:36 |
| abelli | the same here. and i'm hill | 04:37 |
| pitti | and exercise | 04:37 |
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| _d4vid | hi all | 04:37 |
| abelli | pitti: i like sleds | 04:37 |
| pitti | abelli: ill? that's bad | 04:38 |
| abelli | pitti: mmm yeah.. a real saturday night fever | 04:39 |
| abelli | :( | 04:39 |
| jordi | w | 04:40 |
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| seb128 | pitti: here ? | 04:42 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, hi Seb | 04:43 |
| seb128 | hey | 04:43 |
| seb128 | could you please update the language-pack ? | 04:43 |
| pitti | which one? | 04:43 |
| pitti | all? | 04:43 |
| seb128 | yeah | 04:43 |
| seb128 | that's a shame, we have the current GNOME bug with outdated translation | 04:43 |
| pitti | actually I wanted to update them at Tuesday | 04:43 |
| seb128 | that bother people who want to make that good for 2.10 | 04:43 |
| pitti | but I can do it earlier if necessary | 04:43 |
| seb128 | or screenshots for 2.10 | 04:43 |
| seb128 | now please | 04:44 |
| pitti | seb128: however, the langpacks are still imperfect | 04:44 |
| seb128 | it that some real work or just a batch tor run ? | 04:44 |
| pitti | seb128: without Rosetta, I miss lots of translations | 04:44 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, but I get complain from GNOME translators | 04:44 |
| seb128 | pitti: the upstream level is good and we fuck it up | 04:45 |
| pitti | seb128: did you upload the new packages? | 04:45 |
| seb128 | what new package ? | 04:45 |
| seb128 | I've updated GNOME stuff all the week | 04:45 |
| jordi | seb128: how many ubuntu specific strings are there in Hoary? | 04:45 |
| jordi | where can I find them to translate them in a little while? | 04:45 |
| seb128 | jordi: really few | 04:45 |
| seb128 | jordi: s/Computer/System for the panel :p | 04:45 |
| pitti | seb128: okay, I kick langpack-o-matic | 04:45 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks | 04:45 |
| pitti | carlos: any ETA for Rosetta? | 04:46 |
| pitti | seb128: basically I just ignore all packages which have two or more domains | 04:46 |
| jordi | poor carlos and daf | 04:46 |
| pitti | seb128: i. e. gtk etc. | 04:46 |
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| seb128 | pitti: so we don't have translations for this ? | 04:46 |
| dholbach | hai | 04:46 |
| jordi | seb128: how can I know if Catalan is up to date with that string? | 04:46 |
| pitti | seb128: no, my current hackish scripts don't support multiple domains | 04:46 |
| jordi | seb128: and if it isn't, it's "Sistema" :) | 04:46 |
| carlos | pitti: working on it | 04:47 |
| seb128 | jordi: dunno, talk with Rosetta guy, we are supposed to have some integration with the distro :p | 04:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: arrrg | 04:47 |
| jordi | heh | 04:47 |
| carlos | pitti: daf comes back to Valencia with me to finish it | 04:47 |
| pitti | seb128: gosh, and we recently modified the output format | 04:47 |
| pitti | seb128: so I first have to hack on my scripts before I can trigger the update | 04:47 |
| pitti | and before that I need to fix pkgstriptranslations | 04:47 |
| seb128 | k | 04:47 |
| pitti | brrrr | 04:47 |
| seb128 | utch | 04:48 |
| Goshawk | please say to me if this is off topic: Something that we can call "usermode splash" (or maybe usplash) have been relased at 0.1 alpha, i need some testers, is there somebody that want to try it? | 04:49 |
| jordi | seb128: ok so he's telling me I'm supposed to download the ubuntu gnome-panel source and submit a patch | 04:49 |
| jordi | ugh. | 04:49 |
| seb128 | jordi: no really | 04:51 |
| seb128 | not really even | 04:51 |
| seb128 | jordi: see with carlos/rosetta guys/pitti how the translations are managed for the language-packs | 04:52 |
| carlos | seb128: until we finish Rosetta changes, he needs to do that | 04:52 |
| jordi | seb128: see? :) | 04:53 |
| carlos | seb128: if he cannot wait | 04:53 |
| seb128 | I can't handle updating translations for every single GNOME package | 04:53 |
| seb128 | I'm already busy without that | 04:53 |
| jordi | nothing like chatting with someone 3 metres away from you :) | 04:53 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 04:53 |
| kent | Goshawk, i can test it. I run Hoary. (Is it the usplash mentioned on ubuntu's wiki? | 04:53 |
| jordi | seb128: d'oh I^Wwe thought you were superseb. | 04:54 |
| Goshawk | kent, it started in collaboratio with Paul SLaden (Usplash project manager) | 04:54 |
| Goshawk | kent, but it works a bit different | 04:54 |
| seb128 | jordi: update evo to 2.0.4 and I'll consider updating the ca.po :p | 04:54 |
| Goshawk | kent, more quick and easy | 04:54 |
| Goshawk | kent, since it is all in one porgram | 04:54 |
| Goshawk | kent, no, usrquit, usplat and so on | 04:54 |
| Goshawk | kent, just one executable: "/sbin/usplash" | 04:55 |
| jordi | seb128: grumble. hrm. | 04:55 |
| Goshawk | kent, http://81.113.230.186/kalatlug/phpwiki/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork | 04:55 |
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| kent | Goshawk, will read that page soon. | 04:55 |
| Goshawk | kent, in that page there is also the link | 04:55 |
| jordi | seb128 is silly an annoying. I just want you guys to know. :) | 04:55 |
| Goshawk | for the deb download | 04:55 |
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| jordi | luckily sabdfl didn't read what I just said. | 04:57 |
| kent | Goshawk, will installing that deb package configure it, or is there some files to read in that archive? | 04:57 |
| Goshawk | kent, no | 04:57 |
| Goshawk | kent, all is done by postinst script | 04:57 |
| Goshawk | you have to do | 04:57 |
| sabdfl | tut tut. trading favours. | 04:57 |
| jordi | heh | 04:57 |
| Goshawk | dpkg -i usplash..... and reebot | 04:57 |
| Goshawk | kent, you can download the sources from svn | 04:58 |
| Goshawk | kent, all the specifications are in that page | 04:59 |
| kent | Goshawk, Downloading it now. Give me a few minutes and you will get a report on how it worked :) | 04:59 |
| Goshawk | thanks | 05:00 |
| Goshawk | kent, it works at 100% on my pc, but it is the same pc wher it is developed | 05:00 |
| kent | Goshawk, so I have installed it now. (Do mind i run Hoary, i dont know if that will be a problem..). Im rebooting now to check it. By by :) | 05:02 |
| Goshawk | i hope it will work fine | 05:02 |
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| Goshawk | yes??? | 05:05 |
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| Goshawk | kent, yes or not? | 05:06 |
| kent | Goshawk, error 23: error while parsing number. | 05:06 |
| Goshawk | when?? after swithced to tty8? | 05:07 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: flumotion doesn't work properly on amd64! :( | 05:07 |
| kent | Goshawk, I get that errror right after grub has loaded. | 05:07 |
| Goshawk | uhm... it seems a postinst problem | 05:07 |
| Goshawk | kent, just one thing, can you mail me your /boot/grub/menu.lst? | 05:08 |
| Riddell | jdub: any idea what the typeface used in the ubuntu logo is? | 05:08 |
| Goshawk | vincenzo.ampolo--at--gmail.com | 05:08 |
| kent | Goshawk, yes, wait a second. I booted with the rescue-kernel so i have no X at the moment. Il mail you as soon as I can :) | 05:09 |
| Goshawk | ok... thanks again... but is the frmebuffer active? | 05:09 |
| kent | Goshawk, if you meen if the framebuffer is active when i get that message, No.. i dont think so, though im unsure of how to tell that right now :( | 05:10 |
| kent | Goshawk i will quit irc for a min. Will mail you soon. By for now. | 05:11 |
| ogra | Riddell: looked at kubuntu yesterday, nice work.... | 05:12 |
| jordi | omg | 05:14 |
| jordi | I will kill | 05:14 |
| jordi | so evolution bumps the gal dependency to 2.2.5 | 05:14 |
| jordi | the changes between 2.2.4 and 2.2.5 is an Italian update | 05:14 |
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| Riddell | convert -kubuntu ogra | 05:15 |
| ogra | nah | 05:15 |
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| ogra | Riddell: i would suggest to get rid of the bracket stuff from the menu, its improved a lot already, but still a bit to much info :) | 05:16 |
| Riddell | ogra: bracket stuff? | 05:16 |
| doko | pitti: ping? | 05:16 |
| pitti | doko: pong | 05:16 |
| kent | Goshawk, could you please again tell me your email? /msg me if you dont want to repeat publicly.. Im in X now so i can send you the file.. | 05:17 |
| ogra | Riddell: in the normal menus you have a nice description as menu entry plus the app name in brackets | 05:17 |
| Goshawk | thanks kent | 05:18 |
| Goshawk | i think that the problem is there | 05:18 |
| Riddell | ogra: oh yes. KDE likes "Description (AppName)" | 05:18 |
| ogra | Riddell: in the game menus you have the category as entry and the appname in brackets .... etc | 05:18 |
| Riddell | ogra: gnome likes "Description" which seems strange to me | 05:18 |
| Riddell | ogra: what's your preference? | 05:18 |
| ogra | Riddell: not if you only have one app for every task.... | 05:18 |
| Riddell | ogra: what does gnome do if you have two e-mail clients installed for example? | 05:19 |
| ogra | Riddell: it gets weird if you have one app twice for one task though | 05:19 |
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| ogra | Riddell: there is only one that is named Emal Client (only the gnome included one (evo)) the other shows its name | 05:19 |
| Riddell | ogra: dunno if I like not having app names, seems strange to me | 05:20 |
| ogra | Riddell: so keep the app names....as you like, but i would definately get rid of one of them.... | 05:21 |
| ogra | ...but i'm only a gnome guy, so dont take me to serious ;) | 05:23 |
| Riddell | ogra: when it comes to usability I do take gnome seriously | 05:24 |
| Riddell | except for file open dialogues :) | 05:24 |
| zenwhen | what | 05:25 |
| zenwhen | i like gnome's file open dialogues | 05:25 |
| zenwhen | I dont feel that there is only one "right way" to do file open dialogues | 05:25 |
| ogra | Riddell: they are getting better ;) | 05:26 |
| ogra | Riddell: there just was a complete redisign of the file open dialogue....so it takes some time to get it right.... | 05:26 |
| Riddell | must..resist..flamewar.. | 05:27 |
| zenwhen | lol | 05:29 |
| zenwhen | i kind of left #slackware and the distro because the kde guys were always throwing in these little "clever remarks" whenever someone mentioned gnome. then Pat dropped gnome. | 05:30 |
| Riddell | zenwhen: you should see #ubuntu whenever someone mentions KDE. not pretty | 05:31 |
| zenwhen | I cam to Ubuntu because of the "no KDE", and kubuntu keeps it at a safe distance from my install disk. So by association with my anti-kde feelings, I alove the kubuntu project. :) | 05:31 |
| zenwhen | came* | 05:31 |
| zenwhen | love* | 05:31 |
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| kent | Goshawk, with the vga correcly set it now boots. But the graphic looks borked (not so good at english, but i think that word could descripe it.) | 05:33 |
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| Goshawk | borked? i'm not english native... | 05:34 |
| Goshawk | gonna see to bork on dict | 05:34 |
| mdz | that's ok, borked isn't an english word :-) | 05:34 |
| mdz | it means approximately "broken" | 05:35 |
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| psy__ | i love it :) | 05:35 |
| Goshawk | broken??? uhm... in wich sense?? do you get a black screen? | 05:35 |
| zenwhen | I am running totally up to date hoary | 05:35 |
| zenwhen | and though it could be better in areas I love it | 05:36 |
| psy__ | Goshawk: in the sence the package-manager did not work anymore and the basic tools like cat, cp, mv, ls and ln where linked to a non-existing copy of busybox. | 05:37 |
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| psy__ | gotta get some food, brb | 05:37 |
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| jordi | ok | 05:53 |
| jordi | hopefully I won't regret this | 05:53 |
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| ogra | bits ? | 05:54 |
| tseng | zul: still no crashes | 05:54 |
| tseng | zul: im happy. | 05:54 |
| jordi | ogra: gal, gtkhtml, etc | 05:54 |
| Treenaks | jordi: *shudder* | 05:55 |
| jordi | Treenaks: yeah dude | 05:55 |
| ogra | jordi: so it could be that i see the fonts in one mail in the same size for every row again ? | 05:55 |
| jordi | I might get some ninjas in the hotel room tonight | 05:55 |
| ogra | that'd be so great | 05:55 |
| jordi | no, that would mean Kitame wants to kill little jordi | 05:56 |
| ogra | heh | 05:56 |
| ogra | he wont get you ... youre a to fast runner i guess :) | 05:56 |
| ogra | even with ninjys | 05:56 |
| ogra | ninjas even | 05:57 |
| jordi | ninjas can throw sharp stuff at you | 05:57 |
| ogra | jordi: depends how far youre away then, youre not the thickes iirc ---- | 05:58 |
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| psy__ | re | 05:58 |
| jordi | ogra: heh, yeah that could be an advantage. | 06:01 |
| jordi | I could shield behind carlos too | 06:01 |
| ogra | lol | 06:01 |
| jordi | ogra: so we met in Matar? | 06:01 |
| ogra | yup | 06:01 |
| jordi | damn, I'm so bad at remembering peole | 06:01 |
| carlos | jordi: carlos? carlos? where? when? | 06:02 |
| carlos | :-P | 06:02 |
| jordi | sorry :) | 06:02 |
| Treenaks | jordi: he's one of the german guys :P | 06:02 |
| jordi | ah | 06:02 |
| ogra | jordi: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OliverGrawert | 06:02 |
| jordi | if you were near treenaks, he got all the attention :) | 06:02 |
| kent | Goshawk, I do get some grapgics, its just that its.. hard to see the logo. Have you ever used a monitor which tries to use modes it cant have? Its sort of like that, but since its a low resolution, its something else that is broken.. dont know what. Im not a native speaker aswell, so its very hard to explain :( | 06:02 |
| ogra | hehe | 06:02 |
| Treenaks | jordi: I did? :) | 06:02 |
| ogra | true | 06:02 |
| jordi | hm | 06:02 |
| jordi | I remember perfectly now | 06:02 |
| jordi | Treenaks: of course dude | 06:03 |
| Treenaks | cool :) | 06:03 |
| jordi | it's cool that you remember me. :) | 06:04 |
| jordi | Hey I now have my own mag., | 06:04 |
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| jordi | it is great, have a look, gimme a second to find an url | 06:04 |
| jordi | http://jacobo.tarrio.org/Imagen:Jmdudes.jpg | 06:07 |
| jordi | 3 and it's yours | 06:07 |
| jordi | good articles in there | 06:07 |
| ogra | hamm, catalan class included ? | 06:08 |
| jordi | that's Spanish, but yeah, issue #2 has this great "learn Catalan in 13 minutes" course | 06:08 |
| ogra | learn Catalan in 13 minutes if you know spanish you mean.... | 06:09 |
| jordi | no, no. No previous knowledge required. I tell you, my mag is going to be great and I'll be rich in 3 months. | 06:09 |
| abelli | jordi: what about me? | 06:11 |
| psy__ | is there a way to put unicode-strings in gtk-Labels ? | 06:12 |
| ogra | pango | 06:13 |
| psy__ | k | 06:14 |
| jordi | abelli: are you left handed? | 06:15 |
| abelli | jordi: no | 06:16 |
| abelli | jordi: not that i know ;) | 06:18 |
| jordi | abelli: sorry then. I'm going to use an indecent amount of money paying left handed people to annoy right handed people. It will be a worldwide lefthanded revolt, for all the years we've been using scissors, pens, oven gloves, computer mouses and laptop touchpads designed for righthanded. | 06:18 |
| jordi | this is going to be great. | 06:19 |
| jordi | anyway, this is offtopic here. :) | 06:19 |
| abelli | jordi: i can be the most left handed for an arm developer's board | 06:19 |
| abelli | ...it'll be a life-lasting contract | 06:19 |
| abelli | :) | 06:19 |
| dholbach | jordi: if you keep on telling me your plans for world domination, please give me a subscription of your mag, send it to ... | 06:20 |
| dholbach | :-) | 06:20 |
| abelli | jordi: are you jdub's allied? | 06:21 |
| psy__ | pango is confusing me :p | 06:21 |
| Treenaks | abelli: he's the European uplink station for the GNOME orbital laser platform, afaik | 06:21 |
| jordi | hehe | 06:22 |
| abelli | Treenaks: ohh i see. | 06:23 |
| abelli | jordi: what about your magazine? | 06:23 |
| zul | tseng: good no crashes | 06:24 |
| jordi | abelli: people will buy it massively because it's cool. It's like a fundraiser for my evil anti-right-handed plans. | 06:24 |
| abelli | jordi: can we have a bonus-just-to-get-known trial? | 06:25 |
| jordi | nope, sorry. this is going to sell all alone, no ads or anything needed | 06:26 |
| abelli | right. no bonus copies then? | 06:26 |
| psy__ | does anyone know a good pango tutorial? | 06:26 |
| dholbach | psy__: had a look in devhelp? | 06:27 |
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| pitti | seb128: I just built and uploaded new update langpacks | 06:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: thanks! | 06:41 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: will those be updated after hoary is stable? | 06:41 |
| seb128 | you rock :) | 06:41 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: yes | 06:41 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: monthly, as it seems now | 06:42 |
| HiddenWolf | good, that's a relief. :) | 06:42 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: that's the biggest reason why we go though this langpack trouble :-) | 06:42 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: well, the other big one is that folks can use Rosetta for translations :-) | 06:43 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: will there be anything like that debian repro for volatile software? virus scanners etc? | 06:43 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: how's rosetta coming along? | 06:43 |
| sivang | pitti: Hi Martin :) | 06:44 |
| pitti | Hi sivang | 06:44 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: volatile> not decided yet, could make a good topic at the conference | 06:44 |
| === dilinger waves at pitti | ||
| pitti | HiddenWolf: it evolves, but please rather ask the gurus (carlos and daf) | 06:45 |
| === pitti waves back at dilinger | ||
| tseng | hi dilinger. | 06:45 |
| tseng | thoughts on 2.6.11.x? | 06:45 |
| dilinger | hello | 06:45 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: ok, thanks | 06:45 |
| dilinger | i've posted a few things to lkml | 06:45 |
| tseng | ah ive not read all the thread yet | 06:45 |
| tseng | my mistake. | 06:46 |
| dilinger | i'm a little worried by their restrictions excluding security fixes | 06:46 |
| dilinger | wow, that's.. interesting | 06:48 |
| dilinger | http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2005-March/032240.html | 06:48 |
| pitti | lamont: here? | 06:48 |
| HiddenWolf | dilinger: isn't that a tad drastic? | 06:50 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: about? | 06:58 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: yes | 06:59 |
| pitti | Hi mdz | 07:00 |
| tseng | dilinger: yeah.. embarassing | 07:00 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: did you get my email? need to know what's happening with the migration tool | 07:01 |
| tseng | dilinger: fix is rolled in grsec 2.1.2 | 07:01 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: I have a much improved version, so I'd like a freeze excemption | 07:01 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: go ahead. as far as i'm aware, it isn't even enabled yet | 07:02 |
| mdz | which is the next problem | 07:02 |
| Mithrandir | the old version doesn't actually work, since gdm and python's configfileparser disagree on the format of .dmrc. | 07:02 |
| Mithrandir | (upper-lowercase and significance of whitespace) | 07:03 |
| Mithrandir | it uses update-manager's notification stuff | 07:03 |
| mdz | I don't think it's feasible to force this in for preview | 07:04 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 07:05 |
| mdz | that's unfortunate because a lot of people will upgrade from Warty when the preview comes out | 07:05 |
| mdz | but we can't possibly test it sufficiently | 07:05 |
| Mithrandir | it's not really a problem; they won't have utf8 locales, but once they upgrade to final, it'll be good. | 07:05 |
| Mithrandir | and we can ensure that it's tested well enough by then | 07:05 |
| mdz | ok | 07:05 |
| mdz | let's update it as soon as preview is out | 07:06 |
| Mithrandir | ok, so I should hold off the upload for a few days? | 07:06 |
| mdz | yes | 07:06 |
| mdz | until preview is announced | 07:06 |
| Mithrandir | that's fine | 07:06 |
| Mithrandir | I'll work on it further as there are some issues that needs to be worked out anyway (what's the way to utf8-enable a C locale?) | 07:07 |
| T-Bone | Mithrandir: hi! Any news about ia32-libs upload? | 07:10 |
| dholbach | see you later | 07:12 |
| HiddenWolf | Hm, isn't there any interest in redesigning the website? | 07:14 |
| sivang | HiddenWolf: I think there was a contest wrt to it | 07:14 |
| zenwhen | wrt? | 07:15 |
| HiddenWolf | wiith regard to | 07:15 |
| HiddenWolf | sivang: not much happening so far? | 07:15 |
| sivang | HiddenWolf: not that I heared off, the winning one was probably not yet decided upon | 07:16 |
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| HiddenWolf | sivang: any place where I can look at the competitors? | 07:26 |
| sivang | HiddenWolf: no idea, I am clueless as much as wrt to this. | 07:27 |
| wasabi__ | wrt to | 07:27 |
| wasabi__ | with regard to to | 07:28 |
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| opi | mako | 07:46 |
| mako | opi: hye there | 07:52 |
| abelli | mako: u here? | 07:56 |
| opi | mako, the push-cork-inside-with-a-pen is a poor ripoff of my -with-a-fork technique | 07:58 |
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| mako | abelli: yes | 08:03 |
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| ogra | mako: could it be that the CC agenda has not been flushed ? | 08:08 |
| mako | ogra: possible | 08:08 |
| mako | ogra: i thought i did it.. but it's possible i forgot last time | 08:09 |
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| opi | don't flush KDE stuff by accident :) | 08:09 |
| ogra | mako: i think its still there....and i think there are some new MaintainerCandidate names | 08:09 |
| jordi | do you sleep with the server omn? | 08:11 |
| jordi | or is it in another room? | 08:11 |
| jordi | mAKO!!! | 08:11 |
| jordi | mako: I'm getting a strange, suspicious sound that I might want to get looked at at the Apple store or whatever. | 08:11 |
| jordi | But carlos says I need the receipt. | 08:12 |
| jordi | mako: tell me you still keep my stuff | 08:12 |
| sivang | jordi: going to buy a new PPC ? | 08:12 |
| jordi | no, mine is new already. | 08:12 |
| jordi | I want to see if this sound it makes is normal | 08:12 |
| mroth | jordi: what does it sound like? | 08:12 |
| sivang | jordi: ah, another one? | 08:12 |
| carlos | jordi: dude, it's a feature!!! | 08:13 |
| jordi | mroth: it's fun | 08:13 |
| carlos | you know when someone is trying to hack your computer :-D | 08:13 |
| mako | jordi: hey dude | 08:13 |
| mako | jordi: yeah dude.. i have everything | 08:13 |
| jordi | mroth: when the pcmcia wireless card transmits or recieves packets, it makes a funny noise | 08:13 |
| jordi | I tried daf's card and still | 08:13 |
| jordi | mako: that's great! | 08:13 |
| mroth | wow thats bizarre | 08:13 |
| carlos | mroth: no, that's cool | 08:14 |
| jordi | mako: I wonder what'd be the best way to get all the stuff delivered in Valencia. Normal postal service would be enough? | 08:14 |
| mako | jordi: just take it into an apple licensed store though. you should be fine. it's not you bought it from somebody other than apple | 08:14 |
| carlos | you have sound while download things | 08:14 |
| jordi | "all" means the powercord, cdrom and all the shit | 08:14 |
| mroth | make recordings of certain patterns before you get it fixed... "heres what a port scan sounds like!" | 08:14 |
| jordi | mako: that's true :) | 08:14 |
| carlos | it's the ipod integrated into the powerbook! | 08:14 |
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| jordi | mroth: haha | 08:14 |
| seb128 | mdz: here ? | 08:16 |
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| trulux | hey | 08:33 |
| macewan | Hrm, how do I get around this?? -->> WARNING: The following packages cannot be securely authenticated! | 08:54 |
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| mdz | seb128: yes | 10:02 |
| seb128 | mdz: was about the hibernate mail but I've replied rather, and now you have forwarded :p | 10:03 |
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| seb128 | mdz: BTW about the gossip FTBFS if somebody has an idea on it ... | 10:04 |
| mdz | seb128: if you have no idea, perhaps it should go in universe | 10:05 |
| seb128 | mdz: I've looked on it, seems to be an autostuff issue but I don't understand why it breaks, the config.log finds XScreenSaver and breaks just after | 10:05 |
| wasabi | mdz, debian bug 225648, added an apt option to bypass apt auth checks. What is that option | 10:05 |
| wasabi | cannot find it in the docs | 10:05 |
| mdz | wasabi: man apt-get | 10:06 |
| wasabi | Doh. | 10:06 |
| wasabi | Here I am searching thru man apt.conf | 10:06 |
| seb128 | mdz: hum, k. I'll have a look again on it :) | 10:06 |
| mdz | seb128: is gossip important? we have gaim | 10:06 |
| seb128 | a part of the GNOME users don't like gaim, gossip is not big and nice to have | 10:07 |
| mdz | it is very small when it FTBFS :-) | 10:07 |
| seb128 | but not, that's not important, just nice to have | 10:07 |
| seb128 | bah, the same package used to build fine and builds fine in debian | 10:08 |
| seb128 | I tend to blame xorg :) | 10:08 |
| mdz | /tmp/ccylnX49.o(.text+0xa): In function `main': | 10:09 |
| mdz | /tmp/gossip-0.8/conftest.c:37: undefined reference to `XScreenSaverRegister' | 10:09 |
| mdz | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 10:09 |
| mdz | nm | 10:09 |
| mdz | that's the first test | 10:09 |
| mdz | it seems like the AC_TRY_COMPILE must be failing | 10:10 |
| zenwhen | is "firefox scrolls really slow" a valid bug report? | 10:10 |
| zenwhen | lol | 10:10 |
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| dholbach | re | 10:12 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach | 10:12 |
| seb128 | dholbach: gtkmm 2.6 to package :) | 10:12 |
| dholbach | seb128: rocking | 10:12 |
| zul | jdub around? | 10:12 |
| dholbach | seb128: it finally does break API? | 10:12 |
| seb128 | dholbach: ?? | 10:13 |
| dholbach | seb128: 2.6 reminded me of: we're brand new and breaking API now | 10:13 |
| dholbach | seb128: but even better if it doesnt :-) | 10:13 |
| mdz | seb128: hmm | 10:13 |
| mdz | seb128: I added some debugging echos and re-ran autoconf, and now it succeeds | 10:13 |
| seb128 | mdz: building the small .c works here | 10:14 |
| seb128 | hum | 10:14 |
| seb128 | weird | 10:14 |
| seb128 | just autoconf ? | 10:15 |
| seb128 | doesn't fix it here | 10:15 |
| mdz | seb128: right, same here | 10:21 |
| mdz | seb128: I think configure.in is just wrong | 10:21 |
| mdz | look at this | 10:21 |
| mdz | AC_TRY_COMPILE([ | 10:21 |
| mdz | #include <X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h> | 10:21 |
| mdz | ] ,[] ,[enable_xss=no] ,[ | 10:21 |
| mdz | AC_DEFINE(USE_SCREENSAVER, 1, [Define if we're using XScreenSaver.] ) | 10:21 |
| mdz | ] ) | 10:21 |
| mdz | that means that if the compile succeeds, it will do enable_xss=no | 10:21 |
| mdz | and if it fails, it does the AC_DEFINE | 10:21 |
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| seb128 | hum | 10:22 |
| mdz | seems backwards | 10:23 |
| seb128 | what I don't get that the same package is in the archive, why does it break now | 10:23 |
| mdz | does it compile in Debian? | 10:23 |
| seb128 | yep | 10:23 |
| mdz | does Debian have it in libXss or libXext? | 10:23 |
| mdz | hmm, wouldn't matter | 10:24 |
| mdz | I bet that in Debian, it gets built without xss support | 10:24 |
| seb128 | http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=gossip&ver=0.8-1&arch=powerpc&stamp=1104928942&file=log&as=raw | 10:24 |
| seb128 | checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXext... no | 10:24 |
| seb128 | checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXss... yes | 10:24 |
| seb128 | 10:24 | |
| seb128 | nop | 10:24 |
| mdz | that means nothing | 10:24 |
| mdz | what matters is enable_xss | 10:25 |
| mdz | if enable_xss is anything but "no" it doesn't give the error | 10:25 |
| mdz | by default enable_xss will be "" | 10:25 |
| mdz | config.log from Debian would be enlightening | 10:25 |
| mdz | but honestly I think the test is backwards | 10:26 |
| seb128 | yep, I'm starting a pbuilder | 10:26 |
| seb128 | we can just fix it | 10:26 |
| mdz | yes | 10:27 |
| mdz | I think maybe X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h is missing in the Debian build | 10:27 |
| mdz | if you have a Debian chroot with the build-deps installed, see if it's there | 10:29 |
| seb128 | a min, updating it | 10:30 |
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| GheRivero | res | 10:31 |
| seb128 | hi GheRivero | 10:32 |
| seb128 | mdz: | 10:33 |
| seb128 | # ls -l /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h | 10:33 |
| seb128 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4510 2004-12-15 20:12 /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h | 10:33 |
| mdz | hmmm | 10:34 |
| mdz | I would like to see config.log if possible | 10:34 |
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| seb128 | yep, I'm putting it online | 10:34 |
| seb128 | a sec | 10:34 |
| seb128 | mdz: http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/config.log | 10:35 |
| mdz | bingo | 10:36 |
| seb128 | mdz: right, the /scrnsaver.h seems to be broken | 10:36 |
| mdz | In file included from conftest.c:27: | 10:36 |
| mdz | /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h:39: error: parse error before "Bool" | 10:36 |
| mdz | so the test is backwards, and it worked because the compile failed :-) | 10:36 |
| seb128 | yep :) | 10:36 |
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| Zaww | www.otomotivshow.com | 10:46 |
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| zenwhen | http://zenhardwhere.com/images/up2date.png | 11:00 |
| zenwhen | first time i have ever caught up with hoary | 11:00 |
| zenwhen | lol | 11:00 |
| zenwhen | dialup sucks | 11:01 |
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| zenrox | zenwhen, dont i know ill never go back to dialup | 11:12 |
| zenwhen | ive no other option | 11:13 |
| zenwhen | or i wouldnt be using it | 11:13 |
| zenrox | move to a place that has brodband | 11:13 |
| zenwhen | oh gee | 11:13 |
| zenwhen | i sure hadnt thought of that | 11:13 |
| zenwhen | @_@ | 11:13 |
| zenrox | lol | 11:13 |
| zenwhen | I am in a couple months | 11:14 |
| zenrox | kewl | 11:14 |
| zenrox | what are you gona get cable,fiber,adsl | 11:14 |
| zenrox | ya for me even getting updates is slow | 11:15 |
| zenrox | 768k in/ 128k out | 11:15 |
| GoneBoB | well in australia you can choose between ridiculously slow expensive links | 11:18 |
| GoneBoB | and really quite fast inexpensive links | 11:18 |
| GoneBoB | and it's somewhat random as to what is available depending on your location | 11:18 |
| zenwhen | zenrox, I will have 4Mbit/256k | 11:24 |
| zenwhen | for 40 bucks a month | 11:24 |
| zenwhen | cable | 11:24 |
| tseng | hey dudes, this is getting a bit off topic | 11:24 |
| zenwhen | oh | 11:25 |
| zenwhen | It was silent, sorry. | 11:26 |
| zenrox | lol | 11:27 |
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| psy__ | dholbach: devhelp is nice, thanx for the reference :) | 11:57 |
| dholbach | psy__: cool :-) | 11:57 |
| psy__ | only thing is, just about every entry in it makes sence to me... except pango :p (gonna google some more, and place my findings next to it. to see if i get somewhere that way :p) | 12:00 |
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