[12:30] <lamont> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[12:30] <lamont>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png', which is also in package gnome-panel-data
[12:30] <lamont> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[12:31] <zul> there there....there there
[12:31] <zul> ooh...braveheart and a bugs life is on tv tonight
[12:31] <lamont> zul: which to watch.  which to watch.
[12:32] <zul> both of course
[12:32] <zul> the movies are one after the other
[12:32] <lamont> ah, not simulcast, or you have DVR technology?
[12:32] <lamont> ah, much better
[12:32] <zul> nah...im too cheap
[12:34] <zul> we cant get tivo in canada..we can go only get tivo like technology from either the cable company or the phone company
[12:42] <lamont> feh
[12:45] <GoneBoB> heh
[12:46] <GoneBoB> that technology is in a massive not-giong-anywhere-omg-legal-ramifications debacle here
[12:54] <mdke> i've tried #ubuntu, and they can't help me. is anyone willing to help me out for a few minutes? i can't log into gnome (hoary)
[12:55] <AndyR> hi all
[12:55] <AndyR> has anyone seen this on hoary? usb 1-1: device not accepting address 11, error -110
[12:59] <lamont> seb128: you around?
[12:59] <seb128> yep
[01:00] <mdke> this sucks. I can't log into gnome because of weird permissions in my ~/. I can't change the permissions of my home directory, and when I create a new user it can't add a user to the home directory. 
[01:00] <lamont> gnome-icon-theme replaces: gnome-panel-data? (/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png)?
[01:00] <seb128> lamont: just fixed it by an upload like 20s ago
[01:01] <lamont> gnome-panel 2.9.3-0ubuntu1 was the old gnome-panel-data
[01:01] <lamont> cool
[01:01] <lamont> it would help if my daughter actually had RAM in her computer... :0)
[01:01] <lamont> seb128: just wanted to make sure it wasn't sliding through the cracks.
[01:01] <seb128> :)
[01:03] <mdke> is anyone able to help me? perhaps this is a known issue?
[01:03] <lamont> mdke: that's a #ubuntu question
[01:04] <lamont> and without a bunch more info, no clue what you need to fix
[01:04] <mdke> they have not been able to help me
[01:04] <mdke> i tried :(
[01:05] <mdke> i was wondering if this was a known issue in hoary atm
[01:05] <seb128> is your partition mounted in ro ?
[01:05] <seb128> no
[01:05] <mdke> seb128, yes that appears to be the problem
[01:06] <mdke> errors=remount-ro
[01:06] <seb128> have you tried to reboot the box ?
[01:06] <mdke> seb128, yeah :(
[01:07] <zenwhen> i am trying to upgrade from array 4 to array 6
[01:07] <zenwhen> i get this error
[01:07] <seb128> (g-i-t/panel ?)
[01:08] <mdke> ?
[01:08] <seb128> mdke: what ?
[01:08] <mdke> seb128, i wondered if what you said was aimed at me and i didn't understand it
[01:08] <seb128> nop
[01:08] <zenwhen> unable ot overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run, which is also in package gnome-pnael-data
[01:09] <seb128> speaking about this msg :p
[01:09] <seb128> gnome-icon-theme/gnome-panel conflict
[01:09] <zenwhen> What should I do
[01:09] <seb128> zenwhen: sudo apt-get -f install
[01:20] <lamont> zenwhen: or install gnome-panel until it makes it, and then dist-upgrade again...
[01:20] <lamont> seb128: how much of the libhowl elimination was you spacing out the uploads to let things build before their build-depending packages built?
[01:21] <seb128> time to get them available by apt on archive.u.c on my box
[01:22] <seb128> why ?
[01:23] <lamont> seb128: because sparc and hppa may have some challenges, then, I expect...
[01:23] <lamont> not a big deal, more just curious
[01:23] <seb128> k
[01:23] <seb128> BTW I need to fix gnomedb for gnumeric
[01:23] <seb128> will do tomorrow
[01:23] <lamont> that is, if timing was part of it, then that explains those issues...
[01:23] <lamont> (hppa currently has a libgnomeui build that fails because howl isn't there...
[01:23] <seb128> yeah, just keep kicking build to sort that :p
[01:24] <lamont> there's nothing under it that I can see that needs it - gonna have to actually debug it I fear. :-)
[01:24] <seb128> I wonder if updating the Build-Depends is a better solution
[01:24] <zenwhen> ok
[01:24] <zenwhen> I am running array six now
[01:24] <seb128> based on the update speed I've picked that option
[01:24] <seb128> I don't like to change the Build-Depends that much for this reason
[01:24] <lamont> yeah - not a big issues
[01:24] <zenwhen> does grub seem a lot slower to anyone else?
[01:25] <lamont> seb128: my mirror is also generally struggling to keep up, so that could be it too...
[01:29] <seb128> lamont: libgnomeui needs libgnome (2.9.1-0ubuntu2), libbonoboui (2.8.1-1ubuntu1)
[01:32] <lamont> Unpacking libgnome2-dev (from .../libgnome2-dev_2.9.2-0ubuntu1_hppa.deb) ...
[01:32] <lamont> Unpacking libbonoboui2-dev (from .../libbonoboui2-dev_2.8.1-1ubuntu1_hppa.deb)
[01:32] <lamont> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libhowl.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[01:33] <lamont> hence my grumbling to myself
[01:36] <seb128> grep howl /usr/lib/*.la ?
[01:36] <lamont> yeah - installing build-deps now
[01:37] <zenwhen> new linux users are going to be 500% more impressed with hoary than they were with warty
[01:37] <zul> thanks
[01:37] <lamont> grep -l libhowl /usr/lib/*
[01:37] <lamont> /usr/lib/libbonoboui-2.la
[01:37] <zenwhen> so much has happened between array 4 and array 6
[01:37] <zenwhen> little things
[01:37] <lamont> seb128: which is to say that libbonoboui got built too soon...
[01:38] <zenwhen> is gnome enu editing going to be fixed soon?
[01:38] <zenwhen> menu*
[01:39] <seb128> not sure, we'll probably put a menu editor in universe for hoary
[01:39] <jdub> in gnome itself, it definitely won't be fixed for hoary
[01:40] <thierry> hi, I'd like to try to fix ubuntu bug 4724 but I don't know where to take the source... can anyone tell me?
[01:40] <seb128> apt-get source mozilla-firefox ?
[01:40] <thierry> seb128, and where will this go?
[01:41] <seb128> in your current directory
[01:41] <thierry> ok thanks
[01:41] <seb128> np
[01:43] <srbaker> anyone install from today's image?
[01:43] <sabdfl> night all
[01:43] <lamont> seb128: fwiw, glibm2.4, gst-plugins0.8, and gtkmm2.4 all have non-PIC in shared libaries now...
[01:44] <seb128> lamont: ftbfs ?
[01:44] <lamont> checking that now - I believe amd64 will bitch
[01:44] <lamont> interesting.
[01:45] <seb128> how have you noticed that ?
[01:45] <lamont> hppa
[01:45] <seb128> that surprising
[01:45] <lamont> which is also doing -Wl,--as-needed... /me turns that back off
[01:45] <srbaker> what partition tools exist that let me resize existing partitions.  anyone?
[01:46] <lamont> seb128: forget I said anything about those 3
[01:47] <seb128> that's due to -Wl,--as-needed ?
[01:47] <lamont> dunno yet, but there aren't failures for amd64 or ia64, and I know ia64 would bitch
[01:47] <seb128> k
[01:47] <lamont> config changed, given back, we'll see how they do.  But I need to take a youngster shopping
[01:50] <daniels> lamont: sup?
[01:51] <zenwhen> should gnome "feel" slower now than it did in array 4?
[01:51] <lamont> daniels: either I was bitching about xorg asking config questions over and over, or was going to comment on the PSC1315 issue
[01:51] <seb128> no
[01:51] <zenwhen> well everything is drawing a bit slower. firefox scrolls choppier.
[01:52] <zenwhen> stuff like that
[01:52] <daniels> lamont: heh :)
[01:52] <seb128> jdub: do you know what component handles the dynamic menu shortcuts ? gtk ?
[01:52] <jdub> yeah
[01:52] <lamont> daniels: I found a gross hack that will let my wife use her psc1315, you see..
[01:52] <seb128> jdub: is that supposed to be kept ?
[01:52] <lamont> comment in the bug
[01:52] <seb128> jdub: ie, if you restart the app
[01:53] <jdub> seb128: hrm...
[01:53] <seb128> (because it doesn't)
[01:54] <jdub> seb128: and now there's a public preference for it... ;)
[01:55] <jdub> seb128: maybe ask one of the gtk dudes, i don't know if it's supposed since 1.x
[01:55] <seb128> k, thanks
[01:55] <daniels> lamont: oh?
[01:56] <lamont> yeah... anytime xane isn't running, and ptal-mlcd is, you stop/start hpoj.  do that in a cronjob every 10 minutes and you get printing again.. :)
[01:56] <seb128> if anybody wants to debug the gossip ftbfs he's welcome
[01:57] <zenwhen> My rendering slowness went away by disabling nvidia's renderaccell. 
[01:57] <seb128> gossip has not changed dunno why it doesn't like XScreenSaver
[01:57] <zenwhen> perhaps the new packages dont play well with it
[01:58] <lamont> the strange thing is that it claims to find it, and in the next line claims that it couldn't.
[01:58] <seb128> yeah
[01:58] <lamont> lets blame autocrap?
[01:58] <seb128> seems to be an autofoo issue
[01:58] <seb128> yep
[02:00] <lamont> Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/cupsys ...
[02:00] <lamont> Hmm, cupsys won't stop... I wait 5 seconds...
[02:00] <lamont> Retrying to stop...
[02:00] <lamont>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                           [ ok ] 
[02:01] <lamont> otoh, it did actually stop
[02:01] <lamont> just not quickly enough
[02:04] <seb128> do we care about 386 support ?
[02:06] <elmo> no
[02:06] <elmo> our gcc compiles 486 code
[02:07] <seb128> k, thanks, what I was thinking
[02:09] <lamont> wow. -Wl,--as-needed b0rkage. bad jdub
[02:09] <jdub> ooh, you found breakage?
[02:11] <lamont> yeah.  glibmm2.4 is ftbfs (non-PIC in shared lib) with that, builds fine without
[02:11] <lamont> ditto two others, see above
[02:11] <lamont> well, I expect..
[02:11] <jdub> nice!
[02:11] <lamont> happy to send you both logs, if you want them.  admittedly, they're from hppa.... :)
[02:11] <jdub> haha
[02:11] <daniels> lamont: blegh
[02:11] <daniels> zenwhen: yeah, my current thinking is that render is broken
[02:11] <lamont> daniels: I _SAID_ it was a gross hack...
[02:11] <daniels> i just don't know HOW
[02:12] <seb128> and jdub was trying to push the pkg-gnome guys to use that now
[02:12] <seb128> bad jdub :)
[02:12] <jdub> i was trying to convince them not to :)
[02:12] <jdub> "don't do it by default"
[02:12] <jdub> ^ very important point :)
[02:12] <seb128> ah ah
[02:12] <jdub> one mention and suddenly they're all talking about "fixing" cdbs to use it
[02:13] <jdub> finding breakage is good though
[02:13] <lamont> seb128: for that matter, debian's gcc compiles 486 code
[02:13] <seb128> if that's how we fix bug I'm curious to know how we break stuff :p
[02:13] <seb128> lamont: k
[02:13] <jdub> crazy debian kids :)
[02:13] <lamont> back in a while
[02:14] <jbailey> jdub: I already said for it in general.  Offered it to sb for the Gnome module and he said no.  Open and closed, nice and easy...
[02:14] <jbailey> already said no, that is.
[02:15] <jdub> yeah, this was about discussion before that
[02:18] <elmo> lamont: no it doesn't; it's libstdc++ uses a 486 locking instruction - it doesn't force 486 for everything tho, like we do
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[02:20] <seb128> is somebody using an http proxy and evolution webcal stuff ?
[02:22] <daniels> seb128: you're just an apt-get install squid away from having it yourself ;)
[02:23] <seb128> yeah, but I'm lazy :p
[02:23] <seb128> daniels: BTW what's the standard way to know that xorg crashed ?
[02:23] <seb128> daniels: #7183, the guy has bugged on gdm but I guess that's an xorg crash
[02:23] <daniels> seb128: segfaults are typically recorded in Xorg.0.log
[02:24] <daniels> seb128: if it went down really, really, really hard, gdm will usually record it
[02:24] <seb128> daniels: k, I'll ask if he has something in the gdm logs
[02:24] <sivang> seb128: awake so late?
[02:25] <seb128> no, I'm sleeping
[02:25] <sivang> seb128: hehe , so you're IRCing in your sleep then :)
[02:25] <seb128> some people talk while they sleep, I reply to bugzilla bugs for my part
[02:25] <daniels> seb128: already asked
[02:26] <sivang> seb128: lol, well, if you like uploading packages as well let me know :)
[02:26] <seb128> daniels: thanks
[02:26] <seb128> sivang: nop, just doing some bug cleanup, I keep the real work for tomorrow :)
[02:27] <sivang> seb128: ok my freind, well, laterz then - I will also head for bed :)
[02:28] <ogra> hmm, esc should be disabled in pw dialog....tsts
[02:29] <seb128> ogra: it should not be counted as a char for the password :)
[02:29] <ogra> hmm, but then we also should disable every non PW char .....
[02:30] <ogra> F keys.... special chars
[02:30] <seb128> right
[02:30] <seb128> but some people hit esc to clear something
[02:31] <ogra> i know...but thats the default behavior of this pw dialog, i didnt touch anything in this area....
[02:31] <seb128> gksudo does that fine
[02:31] <seb128> grab the code
[02:32] <seb128> jdub: you don't use an http proxy by any chance ? :p
[02:32] <jdub> i do
[02:32] <ogra> i'll have to write a patch anyway for the finetuning before release... i'll look at it...
[02:32] <jdub> being on the other end of two tin cans and a piece of string from you
[02:32] <seb128> ah ah ah
[02:33] <seb128> jdub: adding a webcal:// in the calendar works fine with a proxy ?
[02:33] <jdub> one sec
[02:33] <seb128> jdub: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7212 ... in fact evolution and eds just crash if you set a proxy without having one
[02:33] <seb128> but dunno if you have one :)
[02:33] <jdub> well, evo just dies in the arse on startup atm
[02:34] <seb128> utch
[02:34] <seb128> how nice, they have just changed the context menu in 2.1.6 this week
[02:35] <seb128> and they have dropped the "mark as read/..." options
[02:36] <jdub> http://rafb.net/paste/results/WCWThy30.html
[02:36] <seb128> with a working proxy ?
[02:37] <seb128> nice, I get the same with the IP of a non-proxy box as proxy
[02:37] <jdub> this is on startup
[02:37] <seb128> thanks
[02:37] <jdub> eds crashes, then evo crashes
[02:37] <jdub> i have webcal stuff
[02:37] <jdub> and it's opening the calendar at startup
[02:37] <seb128> and if you don't use a proxy ?
[02:37] <seb128> I guess that fixes the issue
[02:37] <jdub> heh
[02:37] <jdub> suck :)
[02:37] <jdub> no crash
[02:37] <seb128> yep, that's it
[02:38] <seb128> thanks :)
[02:39] <jdub> oh
[02:39] <jdub> found another nice calendar bug
[02:40] <jdub> if you assign a colour to Personal, a new calendar is created
[02:40] <jdub> restart, and you have two Personal calendars
[02:40] <jdub> the real one still doesn't have a colour ;)
[02:41] <seb128> I don't get this one
[02:41] <seb128> my default calendar has a color
[02:41] <seb128> and I can change it
[02:42] <ogra> works fine here
[02:43] <seb128> proxy or color ?
[02:43] <ogra> color
[03:31] <srbaker> anyone here know if i can get the extended life battery for the X20 ?
[03:31] <srbaker> or is it only the X40?
[03:40] <Benoni> Where would I find the Kerberos 5 command line tools (e.g. "kinit") for Ubuntu Hoary?
[03:57] <Benoni> Question withdrawn: #ubuntu folks pointed me at the "universe" repository.
[04:25] <wasabi> http://www.martianrock.com/
[04:57] <thierry> I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I don't know where to make the changes in the firefox source... any ideas?
[06:14] <pvh> I recently updated Hoary and I noticed there was some gui integration of power management mentioned in a config file, but I have not seen any evidence of it in Ubuntu itself.
[06:14] <wasabi> i just upgraded and noticed my laptop has a suspect feature in the logoff screen
[06:15] <wasabi> scared to try it. ;)
[06:15] <pvh> wasabi: Bye!
[06:15] <wasabi> wow, it went to sleep,
[06:15] <wasabi> <---- over there
[06:15] <pvh> wasabi: Hmm. I wonder why mine didn't show up.
[06:15] <wasabi> but that's nothing new
[06:15] <wasabi> the real question is can it wake up
[06:16] <pvh> wasabi: Did you sleep or hibernate?
[06:16] <wasabi> suspend.
[06:16] <wasabi> no idea
[06:16] <pvh> I can suspend as long as my wireless card isn't in the machine.
[06:16] <wasabi> it's not waking up. it looks turned off now.
[06:16] <wasabi> but the power button doesn't work
[06:16] <pvh> Huh.
[06:16] <wasabi> naw, caps lock light works.
[06:16] <pvh> Oh!
[06:16] <wasabi> it's just not waking up
[06:17] <pvh> Move your mouse?
[06:17] <wasabi> not even responding to pings
[06:17] <pvh> Did it suspend fully?
[06:17] <wasabi> yeah. it did.
[06:17] <wasabi> then I tried to wake it
[06:17] <wasabi> It hasn't been able to wake up since I used some guys custom kernel a year ago
[06:17] <pvh> What kind of laptop?
[06:18] <wasabi> iBook2
[06:18] <pvh> Ah, beyond my ken.
[06:20] <jdub> pvh: log out dialogue
[06:21] <lamont> elmo: see the changelog for gcc-3.3_1:3.3.2ds0-0pre0:
[06:21] <lamont>   * Change ix86 default CPU type for code generation:
[06:21] <lamont>     - i386-linux       -> i486-linux
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[06:21] <pvh> jdub: Yes, it's not in there.
[06:21] <jdub> pvh: you probably haven't restarted gnome-session since upgrading
[06:21] <lamont> elmo: 12 Aug 2003
[06:21] <pvh> jdub: I have, many times. :)
[06:22] <jdub> check /etc/default/acpi-support settings
[06:22] <pvh> jdub: Okay, any specific file?
[06:22] <jdub> that's pretty specific already
[06:22] <pvh> Er, sorry, any specific setting .:)
[06:23] <jdub> delve, discover, experiment
[06:23] <jdub> check the patch
[06:23] <jdub> etc.
[06:23] <pvh> jdub: I'm quite familiar with the laptop settings.
[06:24] <pvh> jdub: I've been using the command-line to do everything for a couple months now.
[06:24] <pvh> jdub: I was hoping you would be referring to some line in acpi-support which I didn't have.
[06:24] <pvh> jdub: "like ENABLE_LOGOUT_MENU or such"
[06:24] <pvh> alas.
[06:30] <lamont> cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.10-3-k7
[06:30] <lamont> cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer.
[06:30] <lamont> cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris.
[06:30] <lamont> WTH?
[07:22] <Amaranth> jdub: What's up with #twisted? :)
[08:52] <sivang> morning
[08:52] <crimsun> morning :-)
[08:52] <sivang> hey crimsun 
[08:53] <crimsun> 'lo sivang 
[08:53] <sivang> crimsun: what's up? working on kubuntu?
[08:53] <crimsun> actually extracting some patches from beep-media-player's release_0_9_7_1 branch
[08:54] <crimsun> yourself?
[08:56] <sivang> crimsun: just woke up, after about 3 hours of sleep, couldn't continue sleeping though :)
[08:56] <sivang> crimsun: oh goody, I will test them, I wanted to get beep since I first saw it over a freind's house 2 days ago :)
[08:56] <crimsun> sivang: sunlight too bright? ;-)
[08:57] <sivang> crimsun: hehe, not even that. you know, it happens sometime, doubts, thoughts, fears for the future - they can sometime keep you up :)
[08:57] <crimsun> sivang: true :-)
[08:59] <sid77> hi
[08:59] <crimsun> 'lo
[09:00] <sid77> >_<
[09:01] <sivang> hey dilinger 
[09:01] <sivang> oops
[09:01] <sivang> hey sid77 
[09:01] <sid77> yup
[10:10] <Kamion> jdub: for future reference, the answer to pvh's PM question was that he needs to set RESUME= in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and regenerate the initrd
[12:12] <tp__> anybody know any wireless dropping not able to reconnect problems with hoary (ibm t42, new install)
[12:12] <GheRivero> res people
[12:39] <tp__> is daniels there
[12:41] <sabdfl> tp__: do you have netapplet installed?
[12:41] <sabdfl> hey rubenv
[12:41] <tp__> doesn't look like it
[12:42] <sivang> hey sabdfl 
[12:42] <sabdfl> sivang!
[12:43] <tp__> sabdfl: just rebooting the laptop so I can get my network back. :-)
[12:43] <sivang> sabdfl: Yes Mark, Did I do anything wrong? :-)
[12:43] <sivang> sabdfl: finished burning daily live, will give it a couple of runs now :)
[12:43] <rubenv> sabdfl: goodmorning
[12:44] <sabdfl> not afaik, except maybe forgetting to enjoy the sunshine on a sunday. i'm in london, there is no sunshine, that's my excuse
[12:44] <sabdfl> rubenv: i've been hacking on the bounty tracker this weekend
[12:44] <tp__> sabdfl: sunny in leeds here but inside working :-(
[12:44] <rubenv> sabdfl: is it running on the dogfood thing?
[12:45] <sabdfl> now allows for subscriptions to bounties, so people can keep up to date with a bounty
[12:45] <rubenv> sabdfl: i've been thinking about interface details, perhaps I should write em down
[12:45] <sabdfl> also, beginnings of ability to link a bounty to projects, products or distros
[12:45] <sabdfl> subscriptions don't actually do anything, but in future will have email notifications
[12:45] <rubenv> sabdfl: excellent, tracking is what makes bugzilla kick arse, it's definitely something needed in bounties
[12:45] <sivang> sabdfl: oh well, not that sunny here currently, it's getting couldy, the short term summer we've had is ending as it seems :)
[12:46] <tp__> sabdfl: yes I do have netapplet installed
[12:46] <rubenv> it's sunny here, but the pool is still frozen, i'd rather not go outside now ;-)
[12:46] <sabdfl> tp__: it's crackful, remove it from your panel
[12:46] <tp__> ok cheers!!
[12:46] <sivang> rubenv: you in .au right?
[12:46] <sabdfl> see if that helps
[12:46] <rubenv> sivang: .be
[12:47] <tp__> sabdfl: I'll send some of my sunshine down if it works ;-)
[12:47] <sivang> rubenv: oh, EU right?
[12:47] <sivang> seb128: Bon Jour :)
[12:47] <rubenv> wish i was in .au, then i could go to ubuntu down under (well, if university stops bugging me :))
[12:47] <rubenv> sivang: belgium, a neighbour country of germany :-)
[12:48] <seb128> afternoon
[12:48] <sivang> rubenv: I just wasn't sure about .be being belguim, but I know where it is :)
[12:48] <rubenv> sabdfl: I really wish I had the time to poke around with zope, stupid university
[12:48] <rubenv> well, not stupid, important but annoying :-)
[12:48] <sivang> sabdfl: is the bounties tracker already available from the launchpad domain?
[12:50] <rubenv> sabdfl: we'll also need to find a way to insert mockups etc, like gnome does, I really like those
[12:51] <rubenv> sabdfl: starting to look very neat
[12:52] <sivang> seb128: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/g-c-m/ :-)
[12:54] <sivang> sabdfl: are we going to support KDE in rosetta also? (thinking of launchpad integration into the desktop implications)
[12:55] <opi> I think Rosetta is needed also for KDE
[12:55] <daniels> sivang: i believe so, yes
[12:55] <daniels> given it's in main and all ;)
[12:56] <Riddell> what's the advantage of rosetta?  KDE is already translated into oodles of langauges?
[12:56] <opi> Riddell, some projects aren't :)
[12:56] <opi> Riddell, it won't hurt to have something for a quick help
[12:57] <opi> Riddell, and this translation will be commited upstream, so project authors will be happy :-)
[12:58] <daniels> Riddell: mainly just having a central co-ordination prospect.  even assuming the world is kde, it means you don't need an account for kde, all of the external kde apps, d-bus, gstreamer, etc, etc.
[12:58] <tp__> daniels: do you mind if I ask about your x40 package. Have people provided feedback on whether it works for t42?
[01:02] <daniels> tp__: sure -- dunno, should just work out of the box without my packages
[01:03] <tp__> tp__: thanks.. it's the suspend to disk I'm looking at.. I'll play some more to see where I can get :-)
[01:03] <tp__> daniels: ermm.. :-)
[01:04] <daniels> dunno about StD, to be honest
[01:04] <daniels> never used it
[01:05] <tp__> daniels: do you just power off? or suspend to ram?
[01:05] <daniels> tp__: str has always worked fine for me
[01:06] <tp__> daniels: thanks again
[01:18] <sivang> daniels: that's what I feard :) oh well, hard work is good for you.
[01:30] <psy__> hi carlos 
[01:30] <carlos> hi
[01:52] <abelli> could someone explain me differences between abiword, abiword-common, abiword-gnome?
[01:53] <jdub> abiword-common is used by both
[01:53] <jdub> abiword-gnome is built against gnome libs
[01:54] <abelli> mmm... ahh right so the difference is in the "GTK2", and "GTK2/GNOME2"
[01:54] <abelli> jdub: thank you
[01:54] <abelli> ;)
[02:42] <zul> jdub: ping
[02:42] <zenwhen> sup
[02:42] <zul> not much you?
[02:43] <zenwhen> Guys, I am pretty sure that pango is slow as crap in hoary right now. I can't be dreaming this.
[02:43] <zenwhen> My system feels like its a 300Mhz celeron with 128MB of ram when i switch tabs in firefox or xchat.
[02:44] <zenwhen> Rendering is slow as crap.
[02:44] <zenwhen> Thats whats up wiht me. :P
[02:44] <nasdaq> 300mhz celeron
[02:44] <zenwhen> with*
[02:44] <nasdaq> those were good days
[02:44] <zenwhen> my fingers are dyslexic
[02:44] <zenwhen> lol
[02:44] <zenwhen> not when you are really running a 3Ghz P4
[02:44] <nasdaq> i was 10 years younger
[02:44] <zenwhen> :(
[02:52] <zul> oh yeah...inotify 0.20 is working on my system if anyone is keeping out with it
[02:54] <seb128> there is a kernel with it in the archive ?
[02:56] <zul> not yet
[02:56] <zul> im still testing it i can make it available if you want
[03:01] <seb128> not now, but thanks
[03:01] <zul> ok ill wait for tseng then
[03:01] <zul> it hasnt crashed on me yet though
[03:02] <jlj> anyone with a US credit card feel like testing pymusique? http://fuware.nanocrew.net/pymusique/
[03:03] <nasdaq> HEHE
[03:06] <tseng> hi zul 
[03:07] <zul> inotify 0.20 is ready for you to test
[03:07] <tseng> i see, thank you
[03:07] <tseng> have you tried mounting/unmounting usb drives?
[03:07] <zul> yeah no problems for me no oopses or anything
[03:08] <thierry> hi, I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I can't find where to fix it in the firefox source... anyone can help me?
[03:24] <tseng> zul: i cant automount my ipod
[03:24] <zul> crap. whats wrong?
[03:24] <tseng> dunno yet
[03:24] <tseng> ill look for it in hal
[03:25] <tseng> actually hal-device-manager looks to be missing most things
[03:26] <zul> you did inotify at boot?
[03:26] <tseng> restarting hal fixed, maybe not related
[03:26] <tseng> yeah.
[03:27] <zul> and you got the following inotify device minor=63?
[03:27] <tseng> I can unmount and eject w/ no oops
[03:27] <tseng> yes
[03:27] <zul> ok
[03:27] <tseng> could just be a random hal thing
[03:27] <zul> good
[03:28] <zul> and gamin should be working like it usually does
[03:28] <tseng> almost
[03:28] <tseng> inotify backend still has the /media polling issue
[03:28] <zul> almost?
[03:28] <zul> ah
[03:30] <zul> ill be around later though
[03:30] <tseng> bye.
[03:30] <zul> have to go do errands
[03:33] <thierry> hi, I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I can't find where to fix it in the firefox source... anyone can help me?
[03:52] <zenwhen> 7MB faq :/ 
[03:53] <zenwhen> this is going to make upgrading hoary a pain
[03:53] <zenwhen> on dialup
[03:55] <psy__> thierry: where are the bug-reports?
[03:56] <psy__> nm, found it
[04:10] <Q-FUNK> hi!  where does this meeting take place? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[04:12] <ogra> Q-FUNK: in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:13] <ogra> but the agenda is totally outdated.....thets the one from the last meeting
[04:13] <Q-FUNK> orgo, thanks
[04:13] <ogra> s/thets/thats
[04:13] <Q-FUNK> well... I just added myself to the agenda.
[04:13] <ogra> MartinEricRacine ?
[04:14] <Q-FUNK> ogra: I'll let you update the agenda then.  :)
[04:14] <Q-FUNK> yup
[04:14] <ogra> its a mako job....i'll tell him that your entry should stay
[04:14] <Q-FUNK> ogra: ok, thanks :)
[04:14] <Q-FUNK> is the march 8th date and time still good, though?
[04:15] <ogra> yup
[04:15] <Q-FUNK> good.
[04:20] <ogra> Q-FUNK: btw, are you going for MOTU ?
[04:22] <Q-FUNK> ogra: I'll be happy enough just maintaining my existing Debian packages and uploading them directly to Ubuntu also.
[04:22] <Q-FUNK> ogra: but sure, why not. ;)
[04:22] <ogra> Q-FUNK: so feel invited to #ubuntu-motu then ;)
[04:34] <pitti> Hi
[04:35] <abelli> pitti: bon hour
[04:35] <abelli> ..bon jour
[04:35] <ogra> hi pitti
[04:35] <pitti> Hi abelli, hi ogra
[04:35] <pitti> heaps and heaps of snow here :-)
[04:36] <ogra> yup, here too
[04:36] <pitti> abelli: you should learn it, it's fun
[04:37] <abelli> the same here. and i'm hill
[04:37] <pitti> and exercise
[04:37] <_d4vid> hi all
[04:37] <abelli> pitti: i like sleds
[04:38] <pitti> abelli: ill? that's bad
[04:39] <abelli> pitti: mmm yeah.. a real saturday night fever
[04:39] <abelli> :(
[04:40] <jordi> w
[04:42] <seb128> pitti: here ?
[04:43] <pitti> seb128: yes, hi Seb
[04:43] <seb128> hey
[04:43] <seb128> could you please update the language-pack ?
[04:43] <pitti> which one?
[04:43] <pitti> all?
[04:43] <seb128> yeah
[04:43] <seb128> that's a shame, we have the current GNOME bug with outdated translation
[04:43] <pitti> actually I wanted to update them at Tuesday
[04:43] <seb128> that bother people who want to make that good for 2.10
[04:43] <pitti> but I can do it earlier if necessary
[04:43] <seb128> or screenshots for 2.10
[04:44] <seb128> now please
[04:44] <pitti> seb128: however, the langpacks are still imperfect
[04:44] <seb128> it that some real work or just a batch tor run ?
[04:44] <pitti> seb128: without Rosetta, I miss lots of translations
[04:44] <seb128> pitti: yeah, but I get complain from GNOME translators
[04:45] <seb128> pitti: the upstream level is good and we fuck it up 
[04:45] <pitti> seb128: did you upload the new packages?
[04:45] <seb128> what new package ?
[04:45] <seb128> I've updated GNOME stuff all the week
[04:45] <jordi> seb128: how many ubuntu specific strings are there in Hoary?
[04:45] <jordi> where can I find them to translate them in a little while?
[04:45] <seb128> jordi: really few
[04:45] <seb128> jordi: s/Computer/System for the panel :p
[04:45] <pitti> seb128: okay, I kick langpack-o-matic
[04:45] <seb128> pitti: thanks
[04:46] <pitti> carlos: any ETA for Rosetta?
[04:46] <pitti> seb128: basically I just ignore all packages which have two or more domains
[04:46] <jordi> poor carlos and daf
[04:46] <pitti> seb128: i. e. gtk etc.
[04:46] <seb128> pitti: so we don't have translations for this ?
[04:46] <dholbach> hai
[04:46] <jordi> seb128: how can I know if Catalan is up to date with that string?
[04:46] <pitti> seb128: no, my current hackish scripts don't support multiple domains
[04:46] <jordi> seb128: and if it isn't, it's "Sistema" :)
[04:47] <carlos> pitti: working on it
[04:47] <seb128> jordi: dunno, talk with Rosetta guy, we are supposed to have some integration with the distro :p
[04:47] <seb128> pitti: arrrg
[04:47] <jordi> heh
[04:47] <carlos> pitti: daf comes back to Valencia with me to finish it
[04:47] <pitti> seb128: gosh, and we recently modified the output format
[04:47] <pitti> seb128: so I first have to hack on my scripts before I can trigger the update
[04:47] <pitti> and before that I need to fix pkgstriptranslations
[04:47] <seb128> k
[04:47] <pitti> brrrr
[04:48] <seb128> utch
[04:49] <Goshawk> please say to me if this is off topic: Something that we can call "usermode splash" (or maybe usplash) have been relased at 0.1 alpha, i need some testers, is there somebody that want to try it?
[04:49] <jordi> seb128: ok so he's telling me I'm supposed to download the ubuntu gnome-panel source and submit a patch
[04:49] <jordi> ugh.
[04:51] <seb128> jordi: no really
[04:51] <seb128> not really even
[04:52] <seb128> jordi: see with carlos/rosetta guys/pitti how the translations are managed for the language-packs
[04:52] <carlos> seb128: until we finish Rosetta changes, he needs to do that
[04:53] <jordi> seb128: see? :)
[04:53] <carlos> seb128: if he cannot wait
[04:53] <seb128> I can't handle updating translations for every single GNOME package
[04:53] <seb128> I'm already busy without that
[04:53] <jordi> nothing like chatting with someone 3 metres away from you :)
[04:53] <seb128> ah ah
[04:53] <kent> Goshawk, i can test it. I run Hoary. (Is it the usplash mentioned on ubuntu's wiki?
[04:54] <jordi> seb128: d'oh I^Wwe thought you were superseb.
[04:54] <Goshawk> kent, it started in collaboratio with Paul SLaden (Usplash project manager)
[04:54] <Goshawk> kent, but it works a bit different
[04:54] <seb128> jordi: update evo to 2.0.4 and I'll consider updating the ca.po :p
[04:54] <Goshawk> kent, more quick and easy
[04:54] <Goshawk> kent, since it is all in one porgram
[04:54] <Goshawk> kent, no, usrquit, usplat and so on
[04:55] <Goshawk> kent, just one executable: "/sbin/usplash" 
[04:55] <jordi> seb128: grumble. hrm.
[04:55] <Goshawk> kent, http://81.113.230.186/kalatlug/phpwiki/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork
[04:55] <kent> Goshawk, will read that page soon.
[04:55] <Goshawk> kent, in that page there is also the link
[04:55] <jordi> seb128 is silly an annoying. I just want you guys to know. :)
[04:55] <Goshawk> for the deb download
[04:57] <jordi> luckily sabdfl didn't read what I just said.
[04:57] <kent> Goshawk, will installing that deb package configure it, or is there some files to read in that archive?
[04:57] <Goshawk> kent, no
[04:57] <Goshawk> kent, all is done by postinst script
[04:57] <Goshawk> you have to do
[04:57] <sabdfl> tut tut. trading favours.
[04:57] <jordi> heh
[04:57] <Goshawk> dpkg -i usplash..... and reebot
[04:58] <Goshawk> kent, you can download the sources from svn 
[04:59] <Goshawk> kent, all the specifications are in that page
[04:59] <kent> Goshawk, Downloading it now.  Give me a few minutes and you will get a report on how it worked :)
[05:00] <Goshawk> thanks
[05:00] <Goshawk> kent, it works at 100% on my pc, but it is the same pc wher it is developed
[05:02] <kent> Goshawk, so I have installed it now. (Do mind i run Hoary, i dont know if that will be a problem..).  Im rebooting now to check it. By  by :)
[05:02] <Goshawk> i hope it will work fine
[05:05] <Goshawk> yes???
[05:06] <Goshawk> kent, yes or not?
[05:06] <kent> Goshawk, error 23: error while parsing number.
[05:07] <Goshawk> when?? after swithced to tty8?
[05:07] <Mithrandir> jdub: flumotion doesn't work properly on amd64! :(
[05:07] <kent> Goshawk, I get that errror right after grub has loaded.
[05:07] <Goshawk> uhm... it seems a postinst problem
[05:08] <Goshawk> kent, just one thing, can you mail me your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[05:08] <Riddell> jdub: any idea what the typeface used in the ubuntu logo is?
[05:08] <Goshawk> vincenzo.ampolo--at--gmail.com
[05:09] <kent> Goshawk, yes, wait a second. I booted with the rescue-kernel so i have no X at the moment. Il mail you as soon as  I can :)
[05:09] <Goshawk> ok... thanks again... but is the frmebuffer active?
[05:10] <kent> Goshawk, if you meen if the framebuffer is active when i get that message, No.. i dont think so, though im unsure of how to tell that right now :(
[05:11] <kent> Goshawk i will quit irc for a min. Will mail you soon. By for now.
[05:12] <ogra> Riddell: looked at kubuntu yesterday, nice work....
[05:14] <jordi> omg
[05:14] <jordi> I will kill
[05:14] <jordi> so evolution bumps the gal dependency to 2.2.5
[05:14] <jordi> the changes between 2.2.4 and 2.2.5 is an Italian update
[05:15] <Riddell> convert -kubuntu ogra
[05:15] <ogra> nah
[05:16] <ogra> Riddell: i would suggest to get rid of the bracket stuff from the menu, its improved a lot already, but still a bit to much info :)
[05:16] <Riddell> ogra: bracket stuff?
[05:16] <doko> pitti: ping?
[05:16] <pitti> doko: pong
[05:17] <kent> Goshawk, could you please again tell me your email?  /msg me if you dont want to repeat publicly..     Im in X now so i can send you the file..
[05:17] <ogra> Riddell: in the normal menus you have a nice description as menu entry plus the app name in brackets
[05:18] <Goshawk> thanks kent 
[05:18] <Goshawk> i think that the problem is there
[05:18] <Riddell> ogra: oh yes.  KDE likes  "Description (AppName)"
[05:18] <ogra> Riddell: in the game menus you have the category as entry and the appname in brackets .... etc
[05:18] <Riddell> ogra: gnome likes "Description" which seems strange to me
[05:18] <Riddell> ogra: what's your preference?
[05:18] <ogra> Riddell: not if you only have one app for every task....
[05:19] <Riddell> ogra: what does gnome do if you have two e-mail clients installed for example?
[05:19] <ogra> Riddell: it gets weird if you have one app twice for one task though
[05:19] <ogra> Riddell: there is only one that is named Emal Client (only the gnome included one (evo)) the other shows its name
[05:20] <Riddell> ogra: dunno if I like not having app names, seems strange to me
[05:21] <ogra> Riddell: so keep the app names....as you like, but i would definately get rid of one of them....
[05:23] <ogra> ...but i'm only a gnome guy, so dont take me to serious ;)
[05:24] <Riddell> ogra: when it comes to usability I do take gnome seriously
[05:24] <Riddell> except for file open dialogues :)
[05:25] <zenwhen> what
[05:25] <zenwhen> i like gnome's file open dialogues
[05:25] <zenwhen> I dont feel that there is only one "right way" to do file open dialogues
[05:26] <ogra> Riddell: they are getting better ;)
[05:26] <ogra> Riddell: there just was a complete redisign of the file open dialogue....so it takes some time to get it right....
[05:27] <Riddell> must..resist..flamewar..
[05:29] <zenwhen> lol
[05:30] <zenwhen> i kind of left #slackware and the distro because the kde guys were always throwing  in these little "clever remarks" whenever someone mentioned gnome. then Pat dropped gnome.
[05:31] <Riddell> zenwhen: you should see #ubuntu whenever someone mentions KDE.  not pretty
[05:31] <zenwhen> I cam to Ubuntu because of the "no KDE", and kubuntu keeps it at a safe distance from my install disk. So by association with my anti-kde feelings, I alove the kubuntu project. :)
[05:31] <zenwhen> came*
[05:31] <zenwhen> love*
[05:33] <kent> Goshawk, with the vga correcly set it now boots. But the graphic looks borked (not so good at english, but i think that word could descripe it.) 
[05:34] <Goshawk> borked? i'm not english native...
[05:34] <Goshawk> gonna see to bork on dict
[05:34] <mdz> that's ok, borked isn't an english word :-)
[05:35] <mdz> it means approximately "broken"
[05:35] <psy__> i love it :)
[05:35] <Goshawk> broken??? uhm... in wich sense?? do you get a black screen?
[05:35] <zenwhen> I am running totally up to date hoary
[05:36] <zenwhen> and though it could be better in areas I love it
[05:37] <psy__> Goshawk: in the sence the package-manager did not work anymore and the basic tools like cat, cp, mv, ls and ln where linked to a non-existing copy of busybox.
[05:37] <psy__> gotta get some food, brb
[05:53] <jordi> ok
[05:53] <jordi> hopefully I won't regret this
[05:54] <ogra> bits ?
[05:54] <tseng> zul: still no crashes
[05:54] <tseng> zul: im happy.
[05:54] <jordi> ogra: gal, gtkhtml, etc
[05:55] <Treenaks> jordi: *shudder*
[05:55] <jordi> Treenaks: yeah dude
[05:55] <ogra> jordi: so it could be that i see the fonts in one mail in the same size for every row again ?
[05:55] <jordi> I might get some ninjas in the hotel room tonight
[05:55] <ogra> that'd be so great
[05:56] <jordi> no, that would mean Kitame wants to kill little jordi
[05:56] <ogra> heh
[05:56] <ogra> he wont get you ... youre a to fast runner i guess :)
[05:56] <ogra> even with ninjys
[05:57] <ogra> ninjas even
[05:57] <jordi> ninjas can throw sharp stuff at you
[05:58] <ogra> jordi: depends how far youre away then, youre not the thickes iirc ----
[05:58] <psy__> re
[06:01] <jordi> ogra: heh, yeah that could be an advantage.
[06:01] <jordi> I could shield behind carlos too
[06:01] <ogra> lol
[06:01] <jordi> ogra: so we met in Matar?
[06:01] <ogra> yup
[06:01] <jordi> damn, I'm so bad at remembering peole
[06:02] <carlos> jordi: carlos? carlos? where? when?
[06:02] <carlos> :-P
[06:02] <jordi> sorry :)
[06:02] <Treenaks> jordi: he's one of the german guys :P
[06:02] <jordi> ah
[06:02] <ogra> jordi: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OliverGrawert
[06:02] <jordi> if you were near treenaks, he got all the attention :)
[06:02] <kent> Goshawk, I do get some grapgics, its just that its.. hard to see the logo.  Have you ever  used a monitor which tries to use modes it cant have? Its sort of like that, but since its a low resolution, its something else that is broken.. dont know what. Im not a native speaker aswell, so its very hard to explain :(
[06:02] <ogra> hehe
[06:02] <Treenaks> jordi: I did? :)
[06:02] <ogra> true
[06:02] <jordi> hm
[06:02] <jordi> I remember perfectly now
[06:03] <jordi> Treenaks: of course dude
[06:03] <Treenaks> cool :)
[06:04] <jordi> it's cool that you remember me. :)
[06:04] <jordi> Hey I now have my own mag.,
[06:04] <jordi> it is great, have a look, gimme a second to find an url
[06:07] <jordi> http://jacobo.tarrio.org/Imagen:Jmdudes.jpg
[06:07] <jordi> 3 and it's yours
[06:07] <jordi> good articles in there
[06:08] <ogra> hamm, catalan class included ?
[06:08] <jordi> that's Spanish, but yeah, issue #2 has this great "learn Catalan in 13 minutes" course
[06:09] <ogra> learn Catalan in 13 minutes if you know spanish you mean....
[06:09] <jordi> no, no. No previous knowledge required. I tell you, my mag is going to be great and I'll be rich in 3 months.
[06:11] <abelli> jordi: what about me?
[06:12] <psy__> is there a way to put unicode-strings in gtk-Labels ?
[06:13] <ogra> pango
[06:14] <psy__> k
[06:15] <jordi> abelli: are you left handed?
[06:16] <abelli> jordi: no
[06:18] <abelli> jordi: not that i know ;)
[06:18] <jordi> abelli: sorry then. I'm going to use an indecent amount of money paying left handed people to annoy right handed people. It will be a worldwide lefthanded revolt, for all the years we've been using scissors, pens, oven gloves, computer mouses and laptop touchpads designed for righthanded.
[06:19] <jordi> this is going to be great.
[06:19] <jordi> anyway, this is offtopic here. :)
[06:19] <abelli> jordi: i can be the most left handed for an arm developer's board
[06:19] <abelli> ...it'll be a life-lasting contract
[06:19] <abelli> :)
[06:20] <dholbach> jordi: if you keep on telling me your plans for world domination, please give me a subscription of your mag, send it to ...
[06:20] <dholbach> :-)
[06:21] <abelli> jordi: are you jdub's allied?
[06:21] <psy__> pango is confusing me :p
[06:21] <Treenaks> abelli: he's the European uplink station for the GNOME orbital laser platform, afaik
[06:22] <jordi> hehe
[06:23] <abelli> Treenaks: ohh i see.
[06:23] <abelli> jordi: what about your magazine?
[06:24] <zul> tseng: good no crashes
[06:24] <jordi> abelli: people will buy it massively because it's cool. It's like a fundraiser for my evil anti-right-handed plans.
[06:25] <abelli> jordi: can we have a bonus-just-to-get-known trial?
[06:26] <jordi> nope, sorry. this is going to sell all alone, no ads or anything needed
[06:26] <abelli> right. no bonus copies then?
[06:26] <psy__> does anyone know a good pango tutorial?
[06:27] <dholbach> psy__: had a look in devhelp?
[06:41] <pitti> seb128: I just built and uploaded new update langpacks
[06:41] <seb128> pitti: thanks!
[06:41] <HiddenWolf> pitti: will those be updated after hoary is stable?
[06:41] <seb128> you rock :)
[06:41] <pitti> HiddenWolf: yes
[06:42] <pitti> HiddenWolf: monthly, as it seems now
[06:42] <HiddenWolf> good, that's a relief. :)
[06:42] <pitti> HiddenWolf: that's the biggest reason why we go though this langpack trouble :-)
[06:43] <pitti> HiddenWolf: well, the other big one is that folks can use Rosetta for translations :-)
[06:43] <HiddenWolf> pitti: will there be anything like that debian repro for volatile software? virus scanners etc?
[06:43] <HiddenWolf> pitti: how's rosetta coming along?
[06:44] <sivang> pitti: Hi Martin :)
[06:44] <pitti> Hi sivang 
[06:44] <pitti> HiddenWolf: volatile> not decided yet, could make a good topic at the conference
[06:45] <pitti> HiddenWolf: it evolves, but please rather ask the gurus (carlos and daf)
[06:45] <tseng> hi dilinger.
[06:45] <tseng> thoughts on 2.6.11.x?
[06:45] <dilinger> hello
[06:45] <HiddenWolf> pitti: ok, thanks
[06:45] <dilinger> i've posted a few things to lkml
[06:45] <tseng> ah ive not read all the thread yet
[06:46] <tseng> my mistake.
[06:46] <dilinger> i'm a little worried by their restrictions excluding security fixes
[06:48] <dilinger> wow, that's.. interesting
[06:48] <dilinger> http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2005-March/032240.html
[06:48] <pitti> lamont: here?
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> dilinger: isn't that a tad drastic?
[06:58] <Mithrandir> mdz: about?
[06:59] <mdz> Mithrandir: yes
[07:00] <pitti> Hi mdz 
[07:00] <tseng> dilinger: yeah.. embarassing
[07:01] <mdz> Mithrandir: did you get my email?  need to know what's happening with the migration tool
[07:01] <tseng> dilinger: fix is rolled in grsec 2.1.2
[07:01] <Mithrandir> mdz: I have a much improved version, so I'd like a freeze excemption
[07:02] <mdz> Mithrandir: go ahead.  as far as i'm aware, it isn't even enabled yet
[07:02] <mdz> which is the next problem
[07:02] <Mithrandir> the old version doesn't actually work, since gdm and python's configfileparser disagree on the format of .dmrc.
[07:03] <Mithrandir> (upper-lowercase and significance of whitespace)
[07:03] <Mithrandir> it uses update-manager's notification stuff
[07:04] <mdz> I don't think it's feasible to force this in for preview
[07:05] <Mithrandir> ok
[07:05] <mdz> that's unfortunate because a lot of people will upgrade from Warty when the preview comes out
[07:05] <mdz> but we can't possibly test it sufficiently
[07:05] <Mithrandir> it's not really a problem; they won't have utf8 locales, but once they upgrade to final, it'll be good.
[07:05] <Mithrandir> and we can ensure that it's tested well enough by then
[07:05] <mdz> ok
[07:06] <mdz> let's update it as soon as preview is out
[07:06] <Mithrandir> ok, so I should hold off the upload  for a few days?
[07:06] <mdz> yes
[07:06] <mdz> until preview is announced
[07:06] <Mithrandir> that's fine
[07:07] <Mithrandir> I'll work on it further as there are some issues that needs to be worked out anyway (what's the way to utf8-enable a C locale?)
[07:10] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: hi! Any news about ia32-libs upload?
[07:12] <dholbach> see you later
[07:14] <HiddenWolf> Hm, isn't there any interest in redesigning the website?
[07:14] <sivang> HiddenWolf: I think there was a contest wrt to it
[07:15] <zenwhen> wrt?
[07:15] <HiddenWolf> wiith regard to
[07:15] <HiddenWolf> sivang: not much happening so far? 
[07:16] <sivang> HiddenWolf: not that I heared off, the winning one was probably not yet decided upon
[07:26] <HiddenWolf> sivang: any place where I can look at the competitors?
[07:27] <sivang> HiddenWolf: no idea, I am clueless as much as wrt to this.
[07:27] <wasabi__> wrt to
[07:28] <wasabi__> with regard to to
[07:46] <opi> mako
[07:52] <mako> opi: hye there
[07:56] <abelli> mako: u here?
[07:58] <opi> mako, the push-cork-inside-with-a-pen is a poor ripoff of my -with-a-fork technique
[08:03] <mako> abelli: yes
[08:08] <ogra> mako: could it be that the CC agenda has not been flushed ? 
[08:08] <mako> ogra: possible
[08:09] <mako> ogra: i thought i did it.. but it's possible i forgot last time
[08:09] <opi> don't flush KDE stuff by accident :)
[08:09] <ogra> mako: i think its still there....and i think there are some new MaintainerCandidate names
[08:11] <jordi> do you sleep with the server omn?
[08:11] <jordi> or is it in another room?
[08:11] <jordi> mAKO!!!
[08:11] <jordi> mako: I'm getting a strange, suspicious sound that I might want to get looked at at the Apple store or whatever.
[08:12] <jordi> But carlos says I need the receipt.
[08:12] <jordi> mako: tell me you still keep my stuff
[08:12] <sivang> jordi: going to buy a new PPC ?
[08:12] <jordi> no, mine is new already.
[08:12] <jordi> I want to see if this sound it makes is normal
[08:12] <mroth> jordi: what does it sound like?
[08:12] <sivang> jordi: ah, another one?
[08:13] <carlos> jordi: dude, it's a feature!!!
[08:13] <jordi> mroth: it's fun
[08:13] <carlos> you know when someone is trying to hack your computer :-D
[08:13] <mako> jordi: hey dude
[08:13] <mako> jordi: yeah dude.. i have everything
[08:13] <jordi> mroth: when the pcmcia wireless card transmits or recieves packets, it makes a funny noise
[08:13] <jordi> I tried daf's card and still
[08:13] <jordi> mako: that's great!
[08:13] <mroth> wow thats bizarre
[08:14] <carlos> mroth: no, that's cool
[08:14] <jordi> mako: I wonder what'd be the best way to get all the stuff delivered in Valencia. Normal postal service would be enough?
[08:14] <mako> jordi: just take it into an apple licensed store though. you should be fine. it's not you bought it from somebody other than apple
[08:14] <carlos> you have sound while download things
[08:14] <jordi> "all" means the powercord, cdrom and all the shit
[08:14] <mroth> make recordings of certain patterns before you get it fixed... "heres what a port scan sounds like!"
[08:14] <jordi> mako: that's true :)
[08:14] <carlos> it's the ipod integrated into the powerbook!
[08:14] <jordi> mroth: haha
[08:16] <seb128> mdz: here ?
[08:33] <trulux> hey
[08:54] <macewan> Hrm, how do I get around this?? -->>  WARNING: The following packages cannot be securely authenticated!
[10:02] <mdz> seb128: yes
[10:03] <seb128> mdz: was about the hibernate mail but I've replied rather, and now you have forwarded :p
[10:04] <seb128> mdz: BTW about the gossip FTBFS if somebody has an idea on it ...
[10:05] <mdz> seb128: if you have no idea, perhaps it should go in universe
[10:05] <seb128> mdz: I've looked on it, seems to be an autostuff issue but I don't understand why it breaks, the config.log finds XScreenSaver and breaks just after
[10:05] <wasabi> mdz, debian bug 225648, added an apt option to bypass apt auth checks. What is that option
[10:05] <wasabi> cannot find it in the docs
[10:06] <mdz> wasabi: man apt-get
[10:06] <wasabi> Doh.
[10:06] <wasabi> Here I am searching thru man apt.conf
[10:06] <seb128> mdz: hum, k. I'll have a look again on it :)
[10:06] <mdz> seb128: is gossip important? we have gaim
[10:07] <seb128> a part of the GNOME users don't like gaim, gossip is not big and nice to have
[10:07] <mdz> it is very small when it FTBFS :-)
[10:07] <seb128> but not, that's not important, just nice to have
[10:08] <seb128> bah, the same package used to build fine and builds fine in debian
[10:08] <seb128> I tend to blame xorg :)
[10:09] <mdz> /tmp/ccylnX49.o(.text+0xa): In function `main':
[10:09] <mdz> /tmp/gossip-0.8/conftest.c:37: undefined reference to `XScreenSaverRegister'
[10:09] <mdz> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[10:09] <mdz> nm
[10:09] <mdz> that's the first test
[10:10] <mdz> it seems like the AC_TRY_COMPILE must be failing
[10:10] <zenwhen> is "firefox scrolls really slow" a valid bug report?
[10:10] <zenwhen> lol
[10:12] <dholbach> re
[10:12] <seb128> hey dholbach 
[10:12] <seb128> dholbach: gtkmm 2.6 to package :)
[10:12] <dholbach> seb128: rocking
[10:12] <zul> jdub around?
[10:12] <dholbach> seb128: it finally does break API?
[10:13] <seb128> dholbach: ??
[10:13] <dholbach> seb128: 2.6 reminded me of: we're brand new and breaking API now
[10:13] <dholbach> seb128: but even better if it doesnt :-)
[10:13] <mdz> seb128: hmm
[10:13] <mdz> seb128: I added some debugging echos and re-ran autoconf, and now it succeeds
[10:14] <seb128> mdz: building the small .c works here
[10:14] <seb128> hum
[10:14] <seb128> weird
[10:15] <seb128> just autoconf ?
[10:15] <seb128> doesn't fix it here
[10:21] <mdz> seb128: right, same here
[10:21] <mdz> seb128: I think configure.in is just wrong
[10:21] <mdz> look at this
[10:21] <mdz>    AC_TRY_COMPILE([
[10:21] <mdz> #include <X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h>
[10:21] <mdz>                 ] ,[] ,[enable_xss=no] ,[
[10:21] <mdz>                 AC_DEFINE(USE_SCREENSAVER, 1, [Define if we're using XScreenSaver.] )
[10:21] <mdz>                 ] )
[10:21] <mdz> that means that if the compile succeeds, it will do enable_xss=no
[10:21] <mdz> and if it fails, it does the AC_DEFINE
[10:22] <seb128> hum
[10:23] <mdz> seems backwards
[10:23] <seb128> what I don't get that the same package is in the archive, why does it break now
[10:23] <mdz> does it compile in Debian?
[10:23] <seb128> yep
[10:23] <mdz> does Debian have it in libXss or libXext?
[10:24] <mdz> hmm, wouldn't matter
[10:24] <mdz> I bet that in Debian, it gets built without xss support
[10:24] <seb128> http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=gossip&ver=0.8-1&arch=powerpc&stamp=1104928942&file=log&as=raw
[10:24] <seb128> checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXext... no
[10:24] <seb128> checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXss... yes
[10:24] <seb128> 
[10:24] <seb128> nop
[10:24] <mdz> that means nothing
[10:25] <mdz> what matters is enable_xss
[10:25] <mdz> if enable_xss is anything but "no" it doesn't give the error
[10:25] <mdz> by default enable_xss will be ""
[10:25] <mdz> config.log from Debian would be enlightening
[10:26] <mdz> but honestly I think the test is backwards
[10:26] <seb128> yep, I'm starting a pbuilder
[10:26] <seb128> we can just fix it
[10:27] <mdz> yes
[10:27] <mdz> I think maybe X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h is missing in the Debian build
[10:29] <mdz> if you have a Debian chroot with the build-deps installed, see if it's there
[10:30] <seb128> a min, updating it
[10:31] <GheRivero> res
[10:32] <seb128> hi GheRivero 
[10:33] <seb128> mdz: 
[10:33] <seb128> # ls -l /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h
[10:33] <seb128> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 4510 2004-12-15 20:12 /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h
[10:34] <mdz> hmmm
[10:34] <mdz> I would like to see config.log if possible
[10:34] <seb128> yep, I'm putting it online
[10:34] <seb128> a sec
[10:35] <seb128> mdz: http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/config.log
[10:36] <mdz> bingo
[10:36] <seb128> mdz: right, the /scrnsaver.h seems to be broken 
[10:36] <mdz> In file included from conftest.c:27:
[10:36] <mdz> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h:39: error: parse error before "Bool"
[10:36] <mdz> so the test is backwards, and it worked because the compile failed :-)
[10:36] <seb128> yep :)
[10:46] <Zaww> www.otomotivshow.com
[11:00] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/up2date.png
[11:00] <zenwhen> first time i have ever caught up with hoary
[11:00] <zenwhen> lol
[11:01] <zenwhen> dialup sucks
[11:12] <zenrox> zenwhen,  dont i know ill never go back to dialup
[11:13] <zenwhen> ive no other option
[11:13] <zenwhen> or i wouldnt be using it
[11:13] <zenrox> move to a place that has brodband
[11:13] <zenwhen> oh gee
[11:13] <zenwhen> i sure hadnt thought of that
[11:13] <zenwhen> @_@
[11:13] <zenrox> lol
[11:14] <zenwhen> I am in a couple months
[11:14] <zenrox> kewl
[11:14] <zenrox> what are you gona get cable,fiber,adsl
[11:15] <zenrox> ya for me even getting updates is slow 
[11:15] <zenrox> 768k in/ 128k out
[11:18] <GoneBoB> well in australia you can choose between ridiculously slow expensive links
[11:18] <GoneBoB> and really quite fast inexpensive links
[11:18] <GoneBoB> and it's somewhat random as to what is available depending on your location
[11:24] <zenwhen> zenrox, I will have 4Mbit/256k
[11:24] <zenwhen> for 40 bucks a month
[11:24] <zenwhen> cable
[11:24] <tseng> hey dudes, this is getting a bit off topic
[11:25] <zenwhen> oh
[11:26] <zenwhen> It was silent, sorry.
[11:27] <zenrox> lol
[11:57] <psy__> dholbach: devhelp is nice, thanx for the reference :)
[11:57] <dholbach> psy__: cool :-)
[12:00] <psy__> only thing is, just about every entry in it makes sence to me... except pango :p (gonna google some more, and place my findings next to it. to see if i get somewhere that way :p)