[08:25] <froud> African Greetings
[08:37] <maskie> morning froud
[08:37] <maskie> from rainy cape town
[08:39] <froud> morning maskie 
[08:39] <froud> Sun and a bit of wind up hear . Goo dto hear you guys have some rain. You need it
[09:07] <maskie> was not much but we will take every little bit
[09:09] <maskie> froud, btw how was your trip to cape town
[09:10] <froud> Most excellent, we spoke about this last Sunday
[09:10] <froud> Should have a few more trips planned
[09:10] <froud> now that I have more customers in CT
[09:11] <maskie> you must just be carefull ... you might just like this place and move here
[09:11] <froud> the risk is high
[09:11] <froud> actually if I get enough customers I will do it
[09:11] <maskie> change always has risks
[09:11] <froud> Just rent my home in JHB and move
[09:11] <froud> no worries
[09:12] <froud> Kinda like Hout Bay
[09:12] <froud> secluded but not to far from central
[09:12] <maskie> it is a nice area .. did you know they have their own "passport"
[09:13] <froud> yes and I understand people actually used it to enter some countries
[09:13] <froud> eventhought it is not a recognized one
[09:13] <froud> :-)
[09:13] <froud> I want a hout bay passport too, whaaaaa
[09:14] <maskie> so buy some property there and you can have one
[09:14] <froud> The view from Chapmans Peak over that region is magnifico
[09:15] <maskie> it is but be carefull of chapmanspeak ... rocks might just faal on you
[09:15] <maskie> s/faal/fall
[09:15] <froud> yes they have those rock barriers
[09:15] <froud> scary stuff
[09:16] <froud> Longbeach also looks lekker
[09:17] <maskie> which sometime break when we have rain ... but since we do not have rain it is not a problem
[09:18] <froud> hey thanks for the late warning there was rain the day before we went through
[09:18] <froud> see I did bring some rain with me
[09:18] <froud> you asked I delivered
[09:19] <maskie> the light rain we get these days in no problem
[09:20] <froud> He he it was not light rain the day before
[09:20] <froud> I could not see where I was driving
[09:20] <froud> and of course we decided to go up Table Mountain that morning
[09:21] <froud> as we got to the top the clouds closed in 
[09:21] <maskie> what did you think of stellenbosch
[09:21] <froud> Actually did not get there
[09:21] <maskie> ok
[09:21] <froud> I got confused
[09:21] <froud> I thought TSF was there, but they are in Durbanville
[09:21] <froud> so saw Durbanville instead
[09:22] <froud> nice wine land
[09:25] <maskie> i stay just next to durbanville ... both my kids are in durbanvile at school ... know exactly where tsf is ... who did you meet there - thomas
[09:26] <froud> Yes. Met with Thomas on some work
[09:27] <maskie> nice offices  they have ....
[09:27] <froud> Interesting thing about CT is that you guys still have lots of small shops on the high street
[09:27] <froud> yes very posh
[09:27] <froud> here in JHB those small shops are disappearing
[09:27] <froud> we have malls, malls and malls
[09:28] <froud> but when you get back to JHB from CT, you realize just how big JHB is
[09:28] <froud> dam it takes 1 hour from the airport to my home in Northcliff
[09:32] <maskie> and that is outside peak time
[09:32] <froud> yes
[09:32] <froud> and at 120 per hour
[09:32] <maskie> our traffic now gets very bad from durbanville area into town
[09:33] <froud> yes traffic is not good in CT
[09:33] <froud> I got stuff comming out of central is peak traffic
[09:33] <froud> needless to say my left leg got a good workout
[09:34] <maskie> problem is we have limited entry points into town 
[09:34] <froud> yes
[09:35] <froud> btw spent the last day in Kirstenbosh Gardens
[09:35] <froud> oh boy
[09:35] <froud> my legs were hurting for two days
[09:35] <froud> man that place is bug
[09:35] <froud> big
[09:36] <froud> we thought it would be a nice restful way to end the stay
[09:36] <froud> boy were we miss guided
[09:36] <froud> Just the day before we did Cape Point
[09:36] <froud> of course we walked up
[09:36] <froud> and down
[09:37] <froud> nice view, but boy did I hurt
[09:37] <froud> made me realize how unfit I am
[09:37] <froud> spending too much time between the keyboard and the seat
[09:39] <maskie> then next time you here you must go up table mountain but not by cable car but climb
[09:41] <froud> He he, you kidding me right. I wantch people younger than me trying it and it looked very painful.
[09:42] <froud> Down maybe, up, uh uh
[09:42] <froud> you will have to carry me up. On your back
[09:42] <froud> Geeks dont do so well with all that macho physical stuff
[09:43] <maskie> it is easier up than down .. and depending on what route you take it is not tha bad ... the one from kirstenbosch is not that bad
[09:43] <froud> says maskie who is probably a fitness fanatic
[09:44] <maskie> i think the next ubuntu conf must be in cape town .. that is the one after sydney
[09:44] <maskie> not really froud
[09:44] <froud> oh most definately
[09:44] <froud> Canonical are you listening. WE WANT THE NEXT MEETINGIN CAPE TOWN
[09:45] <froud> Aussie is too far away
[09:45] <froud> Besides we need the tourism more than they do
[09:46] <maskie> i think we need to wisper something in sabdfl's ear ... some suttle e-mails from time to time
[09:47] <froud> Mmmmm. Yes, let me see who else can we brainwash
[09:47] <froud> perhaps we can also bribe them with free wine
[09:48] <froud> maskie: when are they gonna fix all those shacks in the route out of the airport
[09:48] <froud> those poor people
[09:49] <froud> does the major not have a conceince
[09:49] <froud> oh       btw I got some great penguin shots
[09:49] <froud> at Boulders
[09:50] <froud> you can watch those penguins forever
[09:50] <froud> small but funny creatures
[09:50] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[09:51] <maskie> that is a real problem but it goes back lot of years ... the major tries but it is a question of money 
[09:51] <froud> sawubona abelli 
[09:51] <froud> gunjani wena
[09:51] <froud> maskie: well they must do something. It looks bad
[09:51] <maskie> goeie more abelli
[09:52] <froud> maskie: I was giving abelli zulu lessons yesterday :-)
[09:52] <maskie> agree ... it everywhere like that just ours is near the airport
[09:52] <froud> perhaps you can give him Afrikaans lessons
[09:52] <maskie> in exchange for some italian
[09:52] <froud> actually here in Gauteng it is improved
[09:52] <froud> much
[09:53] <froud> the problem is in Alexandra Township
[09:53] <maskie> but you guys have more money than us ... :)
[09:53] <froud> but they are making amazing progress
[09:53] <froud> true
[09:53] <abelli> no..it's too much
[09:53] <froud> abelli: what
[09:54] <abelli>  < froud> sawubona abelli
[09:54] <abelli> 09:52 < froud> gunjani wena
[09:54] <froud> oh ok
[09:54] <abelli> :)
[09:54] <abelli> i need time 
[09:54] <abelli> ;)
[09:54] <froud> wait I have notstarted to teach you the click sounds yet :-0
[09:54] <maskie> froud looks like you have to start again
[09:55] <maskie> luckily afrikaans has no click sounds
[09:55] <froud> just the cccccccch
[09:55] <froud> or is it ggggggggh
[09:55] <abelli> i've seen a documentary on the telly,
[09:55] <maskie> more the ggggggh
[09:56] <froud> like ggggggghaan
[09:56] <abelli> that explained how some children in a village in Africa
[09:56] <abelli> learnt how to use a computer without keyboard..
[09:56] <abelli> they were able to write emails...
[09:56] <froud> he he cool
[09:56] <abelli> withouth having ever seen a computer before... smart people
[09:56] <maskie> abelli, what did they use ... touch screens
[09:56] <froud> how do they write
[09:56] <abelli> a trackball
[09:57] <abelli> i think copy n paste
[09:57] <froud> whew that must be slow
[09:57] <froud> but then it's African time
[09:58] <froud> abelli: did you know we dont use watches here in Africa, only tel time by the sun
[09:58] <froud> ;-)
[09:58] <abelli> my mum doesnt even know how to do it with the keyboard
[09:58] <froud> it's really amazing
[09:58] <froud> we take using a computer for granted
[09:59] <froud> I dont think we really understand the barrier to learning a how to use a computer yet
[09:59] <froud> We try make it easy, but that barrier still remains
[10:00] <abelli> mmm how can you follow the sun withouth knowing what month is?
[10:00] <froud> I think that speach recognition technologies need to improve more so anyone can do it
[10:00] <froud> who care what month it is
[10:00] <froud> we care about seasons
[10:00] <froud> of course if you are in Natal (Durban) there are only two seasons
[10:00] <froud> summer and winter
[10:01] <abelli> maybe with a click?
[10:02] <froud> there are many click sounds
[10:02] <froud> each slightly different
[10:02] <froud> some high pitched and some low pitched
[10:02] <froud> and a spectrum between them
[10:03] <froud> maskie: now there is something worth programming
[10:05] <abelli> froud: they will be interpreted in different ways..
[10:05] <froud> yes
[10:05] <abelli> obviously you may need a little time of learning
[10:05] <abelli> because every user has different ways...
[10:05] <abelli> of doing it.
[10:06] <froud> maskie: do you feel like reviewing the Ubuntu Update Manager User manual for me
[10:06] <froud> It's nearly finished
[10:07] <maskie> froud, it will have to wait for about a week ... i am f
[10:07] <maskie> gpne for most of the week
[10:07] <sivang> froud: have you managed to rearrange the docs in a proper catagory in yelp?
[10:07] <froud> sivang: no you were on it
[10:08] <sivang> froud: ok, I thought there was some progress, well, it appear we have to create a new scrollkeeper catagory in ubuntu
[10:08] <sivang> froud: to make this work. (I talked with shaun)
[10:09] <maskie> have to run .. have to go find out all i can about mad cow desease 
[10:09] <sivang> maskie: why so?
[10:09] <froud> good go for it, I understand the changes need doing in Yelp first then we can change the omfs
[10:09] <froud> maskie: dont say your cows have caught it
[10:09] <maskie> one of my kids have some project on it and dad have to help
[10:09] <sivang> froud: eh, well the changes in yelp are pretty trivial as I have shown to enrico, the hard part is making it a scrollkeeper catagory
[10:10] <sivang> maskie: ah I spooked, since it's a very deadly deaseas
[10:10] <maskie> yeah i know .... 
[10:10] <froud> do you have cows
[10:11] <sivang> maskie: we has once uncertainty here a couple of years ago, since then the heath department is always alert on this specific 
[10:11] <maskie> luckily not me 
[10:11] <froud> well good luck
[10:11] <froud> tot siens
[10:11] <maskie> thanks ... see ya later
[10:17] <abelli> froud: ciao
[10:17] <abelli> froud: this is Sicilian..
[10:18] <abelli> like your Afrikaan... 
[10:18] <abelli> "baciamo le mani"
[11:14] <sivang> froud: btw, is there a bug report on our inability to create a new catagory?
[02:01] <froud> sivang: no there is not since you said you were on it and gonna fix the problem. If you cannot, then I suggest you clearly state that you cannot do it and we will either make another solution or file a bug report and pray for help.
[05:48] <sivang> froud: currently I'm lost wrt to it, so I'd suggest to go ahead and open a bug about it - if I have any future directions I will add a patch/comments on the bug report.
[06:37] <sivang> enrico: Hi !
[06:53] <enrico> hi sivang!
[07:26] <sivang> froud: thanks :)
[08:31] <jeffsch> hi all
[08:31] <jeffsch> froud: do you still need reviewers of the Ubuntu Update Manager Manual?